| 00:00.01 | netstat | anyone here use cftp before? |
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| 00:00.29 | ecobit | does anyone know, did mozilla.org bail on their mozilla-calendar project when they dumped mozilla? |
| 00:00.55 | FieldySnuts | not that i now of. since when did they dump anything? |
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| 00:01.07 | K_Dallas | ecobit, there is a sunbird project which i guess would be the furture for firefox |
| 00:01.15 | digibox | grrr I wish I didnt have dialup and I could DL the full sarge distro |
| 00:01.19 | FieldySnuts | zinx: yeah. |
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| 00:02.14 | petemc | digibox: you can buy cds/dvds at minimal cost |
| 00:02.18 | unknown__ | cool |
| 00:02.21 | netstat | digibox all you need is a computer with high speed.. then burn from there... or bring your hdd, etcc.... you use your imagination |
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| 00:02.35 | unknown__ | cool |
| 00:02.36 | dragonfly | aside from completely reinstalling, is there anyway to get around the pivot_root: No such file or directory error on boot? |
| 00:02.45 | ecobit | FieldySnuts, i read that they bailed on mozilla proper a few months ago, though some hackers might have decided to continue working on it to some degree |
| 00:02.53 | digibox | I dont have highspeed and I need the cds or dvds here right now |
| 00:03.05 | FieldySnuts | ecobit: never heard of such a thing, i'd call it rumor |
| 00:03.14 | FieldySnuts | then order them, you can't have it both ways |
| 00:03.19 | ecobit | digibox, you don't need high speed. |
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| 00:03.27 | netstat | I was suggesting a friend or another computer.. I gathered you didn't have it when you said "I only have dial up" |
| 00:03.33 | ecobit | FieldySnuts, it was all over the news a while back |
| 00:03.39 | dragonfly | ecobit: the alternative to high speed is lots and lots of time and patience |
| 00:03.41 | FieldySnuts | @troll ecobit |
| 00:03.43 | digibox | I do too. otherwise it would take 3 months to DL one CD |
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| 00:03.47 | FieldySnuts | ravenbird: hi |
| 00:03.48 | ravenbird | hey |
| 00:03.55 | netstat | more like 4 days ;) |
| 00:03.59 | ecobit | digibox, apt-get install x-window-system core fluxbox |
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| 00:04.22 | FieldySnuts | thsi is for digibox |
| 00:04.27 | FieldySnuts | dpkg: rube goldberg install? |
| 00:04.28 | dpkg | "Hi! I want to install Debian with a 2.6.x kernel on a machine, but I can't boot from floppies, and I can't boot from CD-ROM, and I have no network card. I have only a USB dot matrix printer and a punch card reader." |
| 00:04.39 | digibox | ecobit, what does that have to do with anything about install debian |
| 00:04.54 | FarrisG | I have used "ssh-keygen -t rsa" to generate pub/priv keys, and then added the public key to my .ssh/authorized_keys on the server. Why is the server still asking me for a password when I try to login? |
| 00:05.11 | dragonfly | dpkg: pivot_root |
| 00:05.19 | ecobit | digibox, well, considering if you do a net install that the entire base is around 30MB, what are you complaining about? |
| 00:05.26 | FieldySnuts | dpkg: a/s/l? |
| 00:05.26 | dpkg | I'm a bot, dipshit. |
| 00:05.38 | petemc | FieldySnuts: try authorized_keys2 |
| 00:05.41 | petemc | gah |
| 00:05.44 | FieldySnuts | ? |
| 00:05.46 | shingouz | ecobit: he already mentioned he is on dialup |
| 00:05.50 | cat | lol |
| 00:05.50 | petemc | FarrisG: ^^^ |
| 00:05.59 | ecobit | shingouz, no duh |
| 00:06.15 | ecobit | 30 MB on dialup is not that bad |
| 00:06.16 | digibox | I just am wanting to know how to run an install a new install of sarge from a running sarge to another HD |
| 00:06.32 | ecobit | x-window-system core and a minimal WM would also not be that bad |
| 00:06.35 | shingouz | ecobit: and how the hell is he going to get the rest of the system home? |
| 00:06.37 | zinx | digibox: you could just copy the hd, but i wouldn't recommend it |
| 00:06.38 | digibox | ecobit, 30mb takes almost a whole week to DL on my dialup |
| 00:06.46 | bztunk | ... |
| 00:06.52 | FieldySnuts | solution is to order the dvd but he dont' wanna so... screwed |
| 00:06.53 | bztunk | 300 bauds maybe? |
| 00:07.06 | ecobit | digibox, at above 40 kbps it should not take that long. then you have VERY sucky service |
| 00:07.10 | shingouz | digibox: /msg dpkg cp hd to hd |
| 00:07.13 | zinx | <feh> 30MiB / 1 week is approx. 416.1015873 bps. |
| 00:07.22 | zinx | digibox: i think you're exaggerating |
| 00:07.22 | bztunk | haha |
| 00:07.25 | digibox | I do not have 40kbps |
| 00:07.32 | digibox | I dont even have 28kbps |
| 00:07.34 | ecobit | digibox, if it took you a week, which i am guess is total BS, your kbps would have to be about 5 |
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| 00:07.51 | tcsetattr | I got 30M/week = 52 bytes/sec |
| 00:07.52 | ecobit | digibox, well that is undoable then |
| 00:07.57 | shingouz | ecobit: have you checked how many megs you have to d/l to get a full install? a lot and it takes forever on dialup |
| 00:08.27 | zinx | tcsetattr: aye, but bps == bits per second, aka baud :) |
| 00:08.27 | ecobit | shingouz, did you bother to read what i just wrote? base at around 30 MB with above 40kbps should not be that bad |
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| 00:08.41 | tcsetattr | good enough. |
| 00:08.54 | ecobit | and x-window-system-core plus minimal WM should be what? another 60 MB? that's very doable with > 40kbps dialup |
| 00:09.14 | digibox | look I was told that there is an installer program that I can run from a running debian to make a new install from the running install |
| 00:09.15 | bztunk | ecobit: he has less than 28kbs |
| 00:09.27 | zinx | digibox: back when i got 2.0K/s on a good day, i could download 30mb in a few hours |
| 00:09.37 | FieldySnuts | order the dvd or give up. simple as that. |
| 00:09.46 | ecobit | bztunk, i can read. apparently you cannot: <tcsetattr> I got 30M/week = 52 bytes/sec |
| 00:09.46 | ecobit | <ecobit> digibox, well that is undoable then |
| 00:10.07 | bztunk | ecobit: 20:07 <digibox> I dont even have 28kbps |
| 00:10.19 | ecobit | <digibox> I dont even have 28kbps |
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| 00:10.21 | digibox | so there is no way to run an install from a working installation other then copieing |
| 00:10.22 | ecobit | yeah i saw that too |
| 00:10.26 | digibox | thats all I am asking |
| 00:10.35 | abydos | digibox: do you not have a friend with broadband and a CD burner? |
| 00:10.35 | zinx | digibox: you can repackage everything |
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| 00:10.56 | ecobit | digibox, why not order the CD set then? |
| 00:11.06 | zinx | digibox: but you won't have the installer |
| 00:11.11 | digibox | cause I need it TODAY |
| 00:11.26 | zinx | digibox: don't procrastinate next time :P |
| 00:11.27 | ecobit | digibox, well, some people have it hard. think about having a decent connection then. |
| 00:11.27 | furrywolf | "9) The Print plugin now functions correctly even if a printer queue name contains shell metacharacters." 'bout bloody time... |
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| 00:11.41 | bztunk | digibox: use a hack, copy the filesystem, whatever... |
| 00:11.48 | gary | O/T: does anyone know if you can buy cd labellers. I mean machines or devices that can print directly onto a cd. You know the way if oyu buy a cd from a shop it has the writing directly on the top of the cd. Can you buy these, anyone know where from or how much or if they have a special name? |
| 00:11.53 | zinx | digibox: if you need it that badly, copying it shouldn't be a problem |
| 00:12.01 | abydos | digibox: Do you have a friend with broadband who you could borrow" a connection from |
| 00:12.01 | ecobit | digibox, get verizon nationwide wireless which is around 80kbps min |
| 00:12.06 | zinx | digibox: if you don't need it that badly, then don't act like you do |
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| 00:12.09 | cafuego | digibox: well, if you can't download it TODAY and can't order and receive a dvd TODAY, then you can't use it TODAY. |
| 00:12.32 | cafuego | digibox: We can't change the laws of physics, stop asking us to. |
| 00:12.51 | ecobit | cafuego, its not that he has no connection that is a crisis. its that he has to suddenly have debian TODAY that is a crisis |
| 00:12.53 | tcsetattr | I need it today, can you rush it to Alpha Centauri |
| 00:12.54 | Guerin | ecobit: because someone with a 1970s-era internet connection has wireless |
| 00:13.06 | digibox | I am not asking about downloading it I am asking about doing an install from an existing installation to another HD without coping the filesystem |
| 00:13.16 | digibox | that is all I am asking |
| 00:13.23 | bztunk | "all" yeah.. |
| 00:13.23 | abydos | cafuego: actually, Arthur Dent could change the "laws" of physics.. but that was in a fictional account of a really bad acid trip so ymmv |
| 00:13.24 | cafuego | digibox: if you still have the package files, maybe, with debootstrap. |
| 00:13.50 | ecobit | digibox, you could rsync the image from the one box to the other |
| 00:13.51 | akusarujin | might.. anyone be able to suggest a network traffic monitor (for a given interface) that has reporting capabilities (i.e. weekly, monthly)? |
| 00:14.21 | ethics | gary: 2 i can think of on small end////some canon printers can print on the papertopped dvds.....or there was a thing called a piazo or piezo which was a modified epson stylos printer for printing on plastic surfaces ...more specifically a CD |
| 00:14.25 | cafuego | akusarujin: snmp is your friend. |
| 00:14.40 | ecobit | digibox, if you have rescue CD's or knoppix that woudl help. boot both systems off the rescue CD's then network them together and rsync the filesystem over |
| 00:14.49 | gary | thanks ethics |
| 00:15.21 | akusarujin | cafuego, i'll research into it.. i've never really tried working with it |
| 00:15.44 | cafuego | akusarujin: it's a back-end system; you' |
| 00:15.53 | cat | oh boy feels good to be back with Debian, |
| 00:15.54 | cafuego | d need something like cricket or mprtg to produce reports. |
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| 00:16.22 | cafuego | akusarujin: Alternatively, you could make iptales do accounting, but that won't do virtual interfaces |
| 00:16.24 | kelan | your real friend is cheese, not snmp |
| 00:16.31 | akusarujin | cafuego, yeah, i checked out mprtg in the past but i don't have any gear setup to use it.. but i'm guessing i can use snmp on the machine and use mprtg to pick up stats from it? |
| 00:16.34 | gall | Where I must put script or link to him that debian on boot will make it |
| 00:16.39 | Guerin | not american cheese though |
| 00:16.43 | Guerin | that stuff is nassty |
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| 00:16.51 | coywolf | is http meta keywords still used? |
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| 00:16.58 | akusarujin | coywolf, preferably, no |
| 00:17.01 | digibox | oh btw how do I find out my Nameserver? |
| 00:17.01 | cafuego | Guerin: We're talking cheese, not PVC. |
| 00:17.05 | abrotman | coywolf: not really .. |
| 00:17.06 | kelan | snmp cannot fill your belly, nor is it great sourcf of protein |
| 00:17.13 | cafuego | coywolf: of course |
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| 00:17.15 | cat | digibox: nano /etc/hostname |
| 00:17.22 | coywolf | akusarujin, why |
| 00:17.24 | cat | or cat /etc/hostname |
| 00:17.26 | abrotman | coywolf: i don't know any search engines that use them |
| 00:17.28 | ecobit | digibox, cat /etc/resolv.conf |
| 00:17.31 | steve_ | hey- where do i put the codecs for totem? |
| 00:17.39 | cafuego | abrotman: google does, for instance. |
| 00:17.44 | ecobit | cat, why in the hell would the nameserver be in /etc/hostname? |
| 00:17.48 | coywolf | cafuego, ? |
| 00:17.58 | abrotman | cafuego: not really ... we've found they don't do much |
| 00:18.12 | coywolf | abrotman, yahoo once did |
| 00:18.12 | abrotman | cafuego: maybe they do .. but not weighted heavily afaict |
| 00:18.23 | steve_ | is there a special directory to put codecs? |
| 00:18.25 | abrotman | coywolf: yeah .. up until google came along :) |
| 00:18.29 | gall | Where I must put script or link to him that debian on boot will make it ? |
| 00:18.33 | abydos | kelan: Neither can your mum, but do you see me complaining? :) |
| 00:18.40 | cafuego | abrotman: It depends on how relevant they are compared to page content. if you spam them with irrelevant shite, they indexer will mainly discard them. |
| 00:18.44 | cat | gall: /boot/ ? |
| 00:18.45 | abrotman | gall: /msg dpkg init.d |
| 00:19.06 | cafuego | abrotman: Then again, a LOCAL engine could use them. |
| 00:19.08 | abrotman | cafuego: right .. they mostly go on page content afaict |
| 00:19.23 | akusarujin | cafuego, so if i setup snmp properly (still reading into it) i should be able to use mprtg with it? |
| 00:19.25 | malign-traps | I'm trying to figure out where my DVD-playing bottleneck is. If you have a DVD disc nearby and a DVD drive, will you please run "hdparm -tT $devicename" and tell me what it says? |
| 00:19.30 | cafuego | akusarujin: yep |
| 00:19.32 | ecobit | cat, taking blind guesses at things, are we? |
| 00:19.32 | kelan | abydos: meat can fill a belly and is a great source of protein, so my mom could do both of those |
| 00:19.36 | kelan | if you ate her |
| 00:19.41 | malign-traps | I need numbers to compare against mine. |
| 00:19.46 | cafuego | malign-traps: 3 |
| 00:19.47 | akusarujin | cafuego, that's excellent, i never knew you could use mprtg without nice equipment :) |
| 00:19.52 | abydos | kelan: bah, you: 2, me 0 |
| 00:19.57 | kelan | :) |
| 00:20.07 | gall | abrotman: But not program to load only little script |
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| 00:20.26 | ecobit | malign-traps, 2.593 |
| 00:20.28 | cafuego | akusarujin: it works with anything running snmpd (including squid!) |
| 00:20.33 | akusarujin | wow |
| 00:20.34 | gall | abrotman: Something like local |
| 00:20.38 | akusarujin | man, that's nice to know |
| 00:20.46 | akusarujin | cafuego, thanks for the help, i truly appreciate it |
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| 00:21.16 | cafuego | akusarujin: ... and you can write custom scripts quite easily to graph other stuff. (disk usage etc) |
| 00:21.31 | akusarujin | excellent.. i can't wait to give this a try |
| 00:22.04 | Guerin | cafuego: hey, THEY call it cheese. |
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| 00:22.11 | ecobit | malign-traps, sorry. 3.16 seconds = 1.90 MB/sec |
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| 00:22.38 | cafuego | Guerin: They call their system democracy too. Just coz they say it doesn't mean they're right. |
| 00:22.45 | Guerin | cafuego: point. |
| 00:22.46 | cafuego | Guerin: (ever) |
| 00:22.48 | malign-traps | ecobit, Thanks. Do you have trouble playing DVDs with that drive? |
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| 00:24.09 | ecobit | malign-traps it is on an older thinkpad. i mostly play .avi's on it |
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| 00:24.26 | ecobit | malign-traps, but yes i can play regular DVDs on it okay |
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| 00:28.15 | sepen | anyone know what is the result of the free software lay in UE¿ |
| 00:28.21 | fken | hello |
| 00:28.26 | sepen | hello |
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| 00:28.35 | fken | is there anyone here ready to help me ? |
| 00:28.42 | sepen | aout? |
| 00:28.45 | sepen | about? |
| 00:28.45 | Sj3 | hey i have a question what drivers do i need for a vga? on a amd motherboard, intergrated it, with the pc, |
| 00:28.46 | shingouz | sepen: is it possible to be a bit more vague? |
| 00:28.46 | fken | cups |
| 00:28.52 | Sj3 | sis vga are not working |
| 00:28.55 | shingouz | !tell fken about ask |
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| 00:29.03 | shingouz | !ask |
| 00:29.03 | dpkg | If you have a question, just ask away on channel. If somebody knows, they'll answer :) For best results, be specific, informative, complete, concise and on-topic! Don't ask if you can ask a question first. Also don't ask if anyone uses/knows about foo. Please don't be demanding or insulting. Remember, we're all volunteers. Finally, please don't /msg people without permission or demand an answer from one particular person. Thanks! |
| 00:29.17 | sepen | Sj3: whats the result line of 'lspci' |
| 00:29.19 | jim | fken: no, no one is ready to help you because you have provided NO INFORMATION about what you want help with. |
| 00:29.31 | FieldySnuts | @win jim |
| 00:29.36 | FieldySnuts | ravenbird: hi |
| 00:29.37 | ravenbird | salut |
| 00:29.38 | FieldySnuts | hrm. |
| 00:30.08 | jim | fken: but you can change that. /msg dpkg sicco /msg dpkg cooperation in asking for help |
| 00:30.16 | abrotman | jim: he did say cups .. but that might have been a sneeze |
| 00:30.23 | fken | ok but u say u r ready to help me and i give u more information i think it was yes your answer |
| 00:30.37 | abrotman | !u |
| 00:30.37 | dpkg | Damnit Jim! It's YOU. Y-O-U. Not *U*. U is a letter. YOU is a word. See ne1, or wud. Dutch for 'you' (formal singular). See http://ars.userfriendly.org/cartoons/?id=20041201 |
| 00:30.38 | FieldySnuts | well you talk saying crap like u and u r... good luck here. |
| 00:30.41 | abrotman | please don't talk like a moron |
| 00:30.43 | fken | jim i dont understand |
| 00:30.51 | FieldySnuts | like? |
| 00:30.52 | abrotman | neither do we .. |
| 00:31.07 | gall | Ok not like this i wont something like this: Debian will run wvdial when only i run him not log in him |
| 00:31.12 | fken | when i try to install the command : #make cups-install-660-a4 give me the answer : lpadmin: Unable to connect to server: Connection refused |
| 00:31.22 | abrotman | wtf is that ? |
| 00:31.33 | FieldySnuts | dude. sunday was not this bad. wtf is going on |
| 00:31.33 | jim | fken: you just joined and then asked "anyone ready to help"... but ok, I'm dropping that part now |
| 00:31.39 | Guerin | gall: you mean you don't want wvdial to run on startup? |
| 00:31.45 | abrotman | fken: which debian do you run ? |
| 00:31.56 | gall | Guerin: I wont to run on startup |
| 00:32.05 | abrotman | want |
| 00:32.11 | fken | in fact the lbp660 seems to be not compatible with linux : its called a winprinter or something like that but someone created specific drivers |
| 00:32.15 | fken | sarge |
| 00:32.31 | Guerin | gall: ok. does it have a config option to run on startup? |
| 00:32.38 | FieldySnuts | damnit i wish auido cd's held more than 70 minutes (yes i know about mp3, who i'm making this for can't play them) |
| 00:32.41 | jim | "wont" == "will not"; "want" = "desire" |
| 00:32.47 | FieldySnuts | guess i need to make 2 or 3 audio cd's heh |
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| 00:33.03 | jim | FieldySnuts: howbout a dvd? |
| 00:33.10 | gall | Guerin: But i have wvdial and some script and i wont to write this to some file where debian start all froom there |
| 00:33.13 | abrotman | FieldySnuts: jump into the 90s already |
| 00:33.14 | FieldySnuts | for a car player? not likely |
| 00:33.23 | jim | gall: "wont" == "will not"; "want" = "desire" |
| 00:33.32 | FieldySnuts | this is for someone else |
| 00:33.34 | abrotman | gall: want want want |
| 00:33.41 | abrotman | FieldySnuts: standard vw :) |
| 00:33.45 | FieldySnuts | HEHE |
| 00:33.46 | gall | ok want :> |
| 00:33.49 | fken | this specific drivers are installable until the final point : make cups-install-660-a4 |
| 00:34.05 | abrotman | wtf is make cups-install-660-a4 ? |
| 00:34.13 | abrotman | is that like .. after ./configure |
| 00:34.14 | jim | gall: so you wish for wvdial to run every tiem the machine boots? |
| 00:34.20 | fken | and the install pürogram send back : lpadmin: Unable to connect to server: Connection refused |
| 00:34.26 | jim | just to make sure |
| 00:34.38 | fken | do you need other explanations ? |
| 00:34.41 | gall | jim: Yes and some other program but now by init.d |
| 00:34.47 | jim | fken: ok, so the daemon isn't running or isn't listening at the port |
| 00:34.55 | abrotman | gall: did you /msg dpkg init.d ? |
| 00:34.56 | fken | and ? |
| 00:35.01 | gall | jim: Becouse i had also some scipt that i wont to be autoloaded |
| 00:35.27 | fken | jim : what can i do |
| 00:35.29 | jim | so you do not want it to be autoloaded ("wont")? |
| 00:35.30 | abrotman | gall: want want want |
| 00:35.30 | fken | ? |
| 00:35.44 | jim | fken: umm. |
| 00:35.56 | gall | jim: Becouse i had also some scipt that i want to be autoloaded |
| 00:36.19 | jim | I think there is a way to have /etc/network/interfaces to source scripts before or after bringing the interface u[p |
| 00:36.25 | Guerin | gall: put it in bootmisc.sh |
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| 00:36.28 | abrotman | pre-up |
| 00:36.32 | gall | ok |
| 00:36.34 | abrotman | i think |
| 00:36.43 | Guerin | oh yeah, ifupdown can handle this |
| 00:36.55 | jim | is that what he should do? or should wvdial automatically do its thing and hook up? |
| 00:36.57 | fken | jim : precize when u r speaking to me |
| 00:37.04 | abrotman | !u |
| 00:37.04 | dpkg | Damnit Jim! It's YOU. Y-O-U. Not *U*. U is a letter. YOU is a word. See ne1, or wud. Dutch for 'you' (formal singular). See http://ars.userfriendly.org/cartoons/?id=20041201 |
| 00:37.10 | abrotman | stop speaking like a god damned moron |
| 00:37.14 | jim | dpkg: GRRR! |
| 00:37.14 | dpkg | well, grrr is you're hungry? :) |
| 00:37.19 | jim | no. |
| 00:37.19 | FieldySnuts | just ignore the twit, or @ops or something |
| 00:37.36 | abrotman | he hasn't done anything wrong .. yet |
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| 00:37.43 | jim | fken: I am, mostly |
| 00:37.49 | FieldySnuts | wowser... listening to some pink floyd i just encoded to ogg in the higest possible quality |
| 00:37.56 | FieldySnuts | i swear it sounds better than the damned cd |
| 00:37.58 | abrotman | fken: what is your primary langauge ? |
| 00:38.05 | Guerin | FieldySnuts: impossible :) |
| 00:38.06 | FieldySnuts | the file is 25MB but still hehe |
| 00:38.12 | FieldySnuts | Guerin: yeah i know... |
| 00:38.13 | jim | abrotman: we can pretty much ignore the wont thing by now |
| 00:38.20 | fken | french |
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| 00:38.23 | Guerin | jim: i wont ignore it! |
| 00:38.27 | jim | we can just keep training him |
| 00:38.27 | abrotman | jim: what wont ? |
| 00:38.30 | FieldySnuts | averaging 312kbps |
| 00:38.32 | FieldySnuts | crazy |
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| 00:38.43 | jim | the one he means "want" by :) |
| 00:38.52 | FieldySnuts | oops I was wrong; 350 |
| 00:38.55 | abrotman | jim: did he use it again ? |
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| 00:39.06 | jim | I dunno :) |
| 00:39.09 | abrotman | jim: the moron thing wasn't directed at wont |
| 00:39.13 | jim | oh |
| 00:39.21 | abrotman | jim: u r |
| 00:39.26 | jim | oh, ok |
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| 00:39.43 | abrotman | maybe send him to the french channel ? |
| 00:39.44 | FieldySnuts | !smite xmms's filename dialog in the info for ignoring the home key |
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| 00:39.48 | jim | just because it's common usage that tends to grate :) |
| 00:39.50 | fken | abrotman im french and you ? |
| 00:40.01 | abrotman | fken: prick bastard .. nice to meet you :) |
| 00:40.08 | FieldySnuts | wtf, i can't even copy out of it, lame |
| 00:40.11 | fken | hum hum |
| 00:40.29 | abrotman | fken: i was just going to comment that you might get more help from #debian-fr |
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| 00:40.46 | gall | Guerin: ok thx one more time :> |
| 00:40.47 | abrotman | fken: i'm from pennsylvania |
| 00:40.51 | jim | gall: ok, let's come to terms with what you want exactly... because maybe (or maybe not) the debian setup might already do what the script does |
| 00:40.59 | FieldySnuts | okay what the heck, i can't paste anything i select into gnumeric |
| 00:41.01 | FieldySnuts | i know i could before |
| 00:41.18 | jim | FieldySnuts: pasting into other things works? |
| 00:41.26 | abrotman | gall: you want wvdial to dial out every time the system starts ? |
| 00:41.34 | jim | just curious, btw... not because I actually know something :L) |
| 00:41.39 | FieldySnuts | yeah.. i figured it out, i had to select the cell, then paste it in the main entry cell in the topc |
| 00:41.42 | gall | abrotman: Yes |
| 00:41.43 | FieldySnuts | kinda brain dead |
| 00:41.48 | FieldySnuts | gnome app, not surprised |
| 00:42.25 | gall | abrotman: This is server with isdn connection and other my computers take from him net |
| 00:42.27 | abrotman | gall: can you script the dial up process ? |
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| 00:44.15 | gall | abrotman: ? |
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| 00:44.44 | abrotman | gall: can you script the dialing process using wvdial ? |
| 00:44.53 | abrotman | the commands you normally type |
| 00:45.47 | shingouz | abrotman, gall: it is possible to make a script for that and it would not even be a long one |
| 00:45.56 | shingouz | @comfort abrotman |
| 00:45.59 | jim | FieldySnuts: oh right... you can't just paste -on- the cell |
| 00:46.03 | D[a]vey | How can I find out all the deps that will be installed with a package? |
| 00:46.03 | abrotman | shingouz: i'm sure it is .. but i can't write it for him :) |
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| 00:46.17 | abrotman | Davey: apt-cache depends <package> |
| 00:46.33 | Davey | that'll do it :D |
| 00:46.40 | abrotman | that's why i told you :) |
| 00:46.46 | shingouz | abrotman: wvdial should be pretty much enough if the dialer is configured without any odd options |
| 00:47.08 | abrotman | shingouz: dunno . i always used pppconfig and pon/poff |
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| 00:47.24 | fken | oh god... debian-fr is a place where people sleep |
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| 00:47.46 | abrotman | fken: what time is it in france? :) |
| 00:47.47 | shingouz | abrotman: wvdial has worked very well for me so far, i use it for my gprs and the occasional modem |
| 00:47.53 | fken | 3 am |
| 00:48.05 | abrotman | shingouz: i had problems the first time i tried it with .. hrm .. slink i think it was |
| 00:48.14 | fken | im working on this issue since 4 hours |
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| 00:48.20 | abrotman | fken: maybe that's why they are sleeping |
| 00:48.23 | shingouz | hehe |
| 00:49.18 | gall | Guerin: Idea with this boot file was not good :> it's to fast :> |
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| 00:49.24 | Davey | hmm, is there any way to get subversion on Debian *without* installing apache2? |
| 00:49.56 | abrotman | Davey: yes .. but it's not a good idea .. you can easily set apache2 not to run |
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| 00:50.41 | jim | not a good idea? howcome? what makes svn -that- much related to a web server? |
| 00:50.49 | aFlag | is there some utility to help connect to the gateway computer of my network? |
| 00:50.54 | FieldySnuts | !clue jim |
| 00:50.57 | abrotman | jim: becuase you'd have to force the dependencies |
| 00:51.15 | FieldySnuts | subversion licks naughty bits anyway |
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| 00:51.18 | jim | ok, but that's the effect and not the cause |
| 00:51.29 | abrotman | jim: i'm just saying it was a bad idea :) |
| 00:51.34 | Davey | abrotman: hmm |
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| 00:51.58 | jim | you're right for that reason alone... but of course I'm wndering why the deps are there in the first place |
| 00:52.29 | abrotman | jim: file a bug? :) |
| 00:52.31 | jim | is it because subversion package expects the person to have their own repos and would serve them using the apache? |
| 00:52.33 | abrotman | !depends svn sarge |
| 00:52.39 | FieldySnuts | heh real american heros - today we salute you, mr outside the stadium peanut seller |
| 00:52.40 | abrotman | bah .. |
| 00:52.41 | FieldySnuts | heroes |
| 00:52.43 | jim | it might not be a bug... |
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| 00:52.53 | jim | I'm just wondering why at this point |
| 00:52.57 | FieldySnuts | ... "you stand outside like a statue, offering us your salty nuts." |
| 00:53.00 | jim | that's not a bug yet :) |
| 00:53.03 | FieldySnuts | geez. they're pushing these HEH |
| 00:53.04 | tcsetattr | silly dependencies are the price you pay for not havnig to compile things yourself |
| 00:53.08 | asg | FieldySnuts: beer nuts > salty nuts |
| 00:53.09 | abrotman | !depends subversion sarge |
| 00:53.13 | FieldySnuts | eww |
| 00:53.14 | dpkg | subversion: depends on libapr0 (>= 2.0.54), libc6 (>= 2.3.2.ds1-21), libdb4.2, libexpat1 (>= 1.95.8), libldap2 (>= 2.1.17-1), libneon24 (>= 0.24.7.dfsg), libssl0.9.7, libsvn0 (>= 1.1.4-2), libxml2 (>= 2.6.16), zlib1g (>= 1:1.2.1), patch, db4.2-util |
| 00:53.23 | abrotman | jim: guess what .. |
| 00:53.31 | jim | lookit that... it does not depend' |
| 00:53.33 | abrotman | jim: doesn't seem to depend on apache2 :) |
| 00:53.38 | asg | abrotman: libapr0 |
| 00:53.51 | abrotman | what? |
| 00:53.54 | abrotman | don't blame me! |
| 00:53.58 | jim | I'm not |
| 00:53.59 | abrotman | why is it always my fault? |
| 00:54.06 | jim | I"m just ASKING :) |
| 00:54.12 | shingouz | because you are here abrotman |
| 00:54.13 | abrotman | asg: and ? |
| 00:54.15 | scarynetworkguy | abrotman: Becuase you suck and don't know Warren Zevon songs. |
| 00:54.25 | asg | abrotman: the apache runtime library |
| 00:54.26 | abrotman | scarynetworkguy: what makes you think i don't know them ? |
| 00:54.33 | scarynetworkguy | abrotman: Becuase you suck. |
| 00:54.34 | abrotman | asg: but that doesn't depend on apache |
| 00:54.39 | jim | !depends libapr0 sarge |
| 00:54.41 | asg | abrotman: true |
| 00:54.43 | dpkg | libapr0: depends on libc6 (>= 2.3.2.ds1-21), libdb4.2, libexpat1 (>= 1.95.8), libpcre3, libdb4.2, libexpat1 |
| 00:54.51 | abrotman | !win loser |
| 00:54.51 | dpkg | Congratulations, loser! You have won the time-life collection of vintage AOL CDs, a set of 120! |
| 00:54.53 | scarynetworkguy | abrotman: And did I mention that you're a useless bitch? |
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| 00:54.58 | jim | nope not thare either |
| 00:55.01 | abrotman | scarynetworkguy: you've been talking to my mom apparently |
| 00:55.07 | shingouz | heh |
| 00:55.09 | scarynetworkguy | abrotman: That I have. |
| 00:55.14 | Davey | how do I find out if I have a package installed? |
| 00:55.15 | malign-traps | Ha! |
| 00:55.31 | abrotman | Davey: dpkg -l <package> |
| 00:55.35 | jim | Davey: try dpkg -s <nameofpackage> |
| 00:55.37 | abrotman | !tell Davey about refcard |
| 00:55.46 | fken | ok as i wont get any usefull help from the french people i give you my nopaste from the install issue : http://nopaste.info/index.php?id=d667fb4f91 |
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| 00:56.35 | chealer | I'd like to test batch. is there a way to "simulate" a certain system load with some reliability. like between 0.8 and 1.5 |
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| 00:56.49 | scarynetworkguy | abrotman: Nothing wrong with fken that a 9 can't solve. |
| 00:57.01 | abrotman | chealer: you can use cpuburn .. but i blew up a machine wiht it today :) |
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| 00:57.14 | abrotman | chealer: maybe you shouldn't use that |
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| 00:57.41 | jim | fken: so you're building cups rather than installing it as a debian package... the assumption here would be you're using the package, so we'd wonder why the package install did not also automatically start cups -as well as- arrange for it to start at boot... |
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| 00:57.59 | chealer | abrotman: I didn't think you could specify a load, but maybe that will get to load 1, which would do fine |
| 00:58.09 | aFlag | is there some utility to help connect to the gateway computer of my network? |
| 00:58.13 | jim | then we're finding that you're building it yourself... not a bad thing! but you're responsible for starting it yourself |
| 00:58.15 | abrotman | chealer: honestly . it really did eat a machine today at work |
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| 00:58.21 | abrotman | chealer: magic smoke got out |
| 00:58.24 | chealer | abrotman: don't worry, I used the vacuum cleaner just a few months ago |
| 00:58.29 | jim | aFlag: ssh |
| 00:58.35 | aFlag | what? |
| 00:58.37 | jim | what u meen connect? |
| 00:58.41 | abrotman | !u |
| 00:58.41 | dpkg | Damnit Jim! It's YOU. Y-O-U. Not *U*. U is a letter. YOU is a word. See ne1, or wud. Dutch for 'you' (formal singular). See http://ars.userfriendly.org/cartoons/?id=20041201 |
| 00:58.44 | abrotman | heh |
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| 00:58.45 | chealer | abrotman: that wouldn't be the first CPU I'd be burning :) |
| 00:58.46 | mngrif | aFlag: what kind of connection? |
| 00:58.55 | abrotman | chealer: no really .. it took 30 seconds .. and it was toast |
| 00:58.57 | jim | that's the ONLY TIME the attribution is correct! |
| 00:59.01 | jetscreamer | he proably wants to set up the gateway for his nic |
| 00:59.03 | aFlag | jim: i have a nat, i want to be able to access internet through my server computer |
| 00:59.07 | aFlag | ssh is working fine |
| 00:59.07 | jetscreamer | but doesn't know what to ask |
| 00:59.19 | fken | jim : and how to solve that question ? |
| 00:59.29 | abrotman | aFlag: so give it a gateway |
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| 00:59.40 | mngrif | aFlag: 'route add default 192.168.whatever eth0' should do the trick.. adjust to taste |
| 00:59.45 | abrotman | !tell aFlag about interfaces |
| 00:59.48 | jim | fken: you have to find out from the docs located in the source dir of the cups source you downloaded how to do that |
| 00:59.51 | aFlag | hum |
| 01:00.00 | jim | fken: well... that would be one way... |
| 01:00.11 | jim | aFlag: so you can ssh to your gateway>? |
| 01:00.24 | mithro | what do people recommend for file change monitering (kinda like tripwire) for debian woody? |
| 01:00.29 | chealer | abrotman: as long as you make necklaces with your dead CPUs |
| 01:00.29 | aFlag | jim: ye |
| 01:00.30 | aFlag | s |
| 01:00.32 | Guerin | aFlag: you'll also need to install ipmasq or similar on your gateway |
| 01:00.45 | jim | ok, what kind of thing is your gateway? |
| 01:00.46 | Guerin | mithro: dnotify |
| 01:00.47 | fken | jim : i dont download the source of cups but ive installed cupsys and dependancies from apt-get |
| 01:00.55 | jetscreamer | chealer: do rearview mirror ornaments count? |
| 01:00.55 | mngrif | what would cause KDE to not load the icons? says "io-slave died" in the kde crash dialog |
| 01:01.02 | jim | little plastic box with rabbit ear antennas on it? |
| 01:01.07 | aFlag | it's a nat, it looks like it works, i was able to connect a windows machine on it |
| 01:01.10 | abrotman | chealer: too many pieces |
| 01:01.12 | aFlag | it's running slackware 9 |
| 01:01.12 | chealer | jetscreamer: I suppose so ;) |
| 01:01.16 | sepen | where can i find information about blootbot and factoids??? |
| 01:01.26 | jetscreamer | sepen: /msg dpkg help |
| 01:01.33 | sepen | thanks |
| 01:01.35 | Guerin | sepen: ask dpkg about my factoids |
| 01:01.40 | jetscreamer | sepen: also /msg dpkg help listkeys |
| 01:01.47 | jim | sepen: blootbot is a project on sourceforge |
| 01:02.07 | jetscreamer | sepen: /join #debian-bots |
| 01:02.21 | jetscreamer | dead sometimes though |
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| 01:02.46 | jim | aFlag: can you ping outside by number from your inside linux box? this nat of yours... what is it? what is it running os-wise? |
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| 01:03.05 | chealer | wow. I just found a bug 7 years and 119 days old. at is definitely a particular package |
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| 01:03.43 | aFlag | jim: i simple done iptables -t nat -A POSTROUTING -o ppp0 -j MASQUERADE on server side |
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| 01:03.51 | abrotman | erm ... |
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| 01:04.06 | madclicker | ahoy |
| 01:04.12 | aFlag | and it worked, at least for the windows machine |
| 01:04.13 | malign-traps | Avast! |
| 01:04.13 | shingouz | arrr |
| 01:04.23 | sepen | thanks |
| 01:04.28 | abrotman | !pirate shingouz |
| 01:04.28 | dpkg | shingouz: When I'm done, your body will be rotted and putrefied! |
| 01:04.43 | shingouz | and a bottle of rum |
| 01:04.48 | abrotman | tequila ? |
| 01:04.54 | sepen | i am newbie in that channel |
| 01:05.05 | shingouz | no, that has not bee properly debugged |
| 01:05.09 | shingouz | been aven |
| 01:05.09 | jim | aFlag: so the gateway is running iptables? therefore linux? which linux? debian? |
| 01:05.19 | aFlag | slackware 9 |
| 01:05.34 | Guerin | jim: try to keep up. he just told us. |
| 01:05.35 | aFlag | the one i want to connect to it is debian though |
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| 01:05.55 | jim | oh... slackware... |
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| 01:06.05 | madclicker | need info on howto setup a "bridge" on ADSL connection with 255.255.255.192 subnet |
| 01:06.08 | jim | so you can't just go "apt-get install ipmasq" |
| 01:06.11 | Guerin | aFlag: if it's properly set up as a masq gateway, all you need to do is add a route. if that doesn't work, look at the server. |
| 01:06.11 | pitillo | aflag have you activated port fowarding in iptables? |
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| 01:06.43 | jim | he said it works with some win box he got |
| 01:06.52 | aFlag | no, that's the only rule on my nat table |
| 01:07.01 | aFlag | yes, it works |
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| 01:07.14 | pitillo | if it works with win machines this isn the problem then |
| 01:07.34 | furrywolf | ok, where should I start with hacking foo2zjs into gimp-print? :) |
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| 01:07.38 | Guerin | aFlag: did you add a goddamn route? |
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| 01:07.59 | aFlag | Guerin: where? |
| 01:08.20 | jim | as far as the gateway... #slackware might have their way to go about it... the only other possibilities is build the right stuff and edit appropriate config files, or install (want support here? :) debian |
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| 01:08.28 | Guerin | aFlag: in /etc/network/interfaces ; gateway ip.add.re.ss |
| 01:08.34 | aFlag | yes |
| 01:08.42 | jim | as far as your internal linux machine... is it a debian? |
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| 01:08.46 | Guerin | aFlag: or route add default gw ip.add.re.ss |
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| 01:09.32 | aFlag | the machine i'm running now is debian, well, actually i'm connecting to irssi on the slackware one using ssh, but the machine i'm using now is debian |
| 01:09.50 | aFlag | i set address, gateway and netmask on interfaces |
| 01:10.10 | aFlag | oh, i think i know what's wrong |
| 01:10.17 | aFlag | i forgot to set um resolv.conf |
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| 01:10.20 | Guerin | aFlag: and restarted said interfaces? |
| 01:10.22 | Guerin | no |
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| 01:10.34 | Guerin | resolv.conf shouldn't matter |
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| 01:11.17 | aFlag | hum... it did matter on the windows machine |
| 01:11.34 | aFlag | i had to put the dns there |
| 01:11.52 | ethics | Guerin, resolv.conf matters if his version of testing is webpages.... |
| 01:12.00 | aFlag | it worked after i edit the resolv.conf :) |
| 01:12.09 | ethics | Guerin, id say hes using browsers not ping |
| 01:12.13 | Guerin | aFlag: depends on your test method. always test an ip address with ping first. |
| 01:12.20 | aFlag | hum |
| 01:12.26 | aFlag | what's that test method? |
| 01:12.29 | Guerin | well, there's no good reason to test a connection with a web browser |
| 01:12.41 | Guerin | ping known.ip.add.ress |
| 01:12.43 | asg | aFlag: ping <ip> |
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| 01:13.03 | asg | aFlag: if that doesn't work and it's a known webserver, 'telnet <ip o server> 80' |
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| 01:13.13 | aFlag | also i set the ip for my network to 198.168.0.x is it wrong? |
| 01:13.24 | ethics | aFlag ping ip.of.another.pc .....try one inside your network and one in the real world....i use 203.8.183.1 as it is the main name server for a tier 1 ISP |
| 01:13.42 | scarynetworkguy | Not wrong but ugly as all fuck. |
| 01:13.49 | aFlag | the ping worked |
| 01:13.51 | Guerin | aFlag: yeah, an ip addy can't contain letters |
| 01:14.12 | aFlag | well x is a number from 1 to 4 |
| 01:14.22 | aFlag | depending on the machine |
| 01:14.30 | aFlag | other than that is it ok? |
| 01:14.33 | Guerin | i hope you mean 192.168.0.x |
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| 01:14.52 | abrotman | i know .! |
| 01:15.14 | jetscreamer | joliet extensions are for which os ? |
| 01:15.16 | aFlag | Guerin: that was what i wanted but i think i messed up, should it be 2 instead of 8 then? |
| 01:15.25 | asg | jetscreamer: Windows iirc |
| 01:15.32 | abrotman | !beer asg |
| 01:15.32 | Guerin | scarynetworkguy: what's ugly about that? |
| 01:15.43 | ethics | aFlag: 192.16.X.X is a internal address range...its fine....ping basically jusy asks if somethign is there ....when you ping an ip address you test communication...if you ping a www.page.com or open a page in a browser ....resolv.cof is used to change the name into a number....you nad nothing chinging the name into the number |
| 01:15.44 | asg | abrotman: danke, it's been a long week |
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| 01:16.08 | Guerin | asg: it's not even halfway through! |
| 01:16.12 | abrotman | asg: been? .. you forgot the next three days didn't you? |
| 01:16.13 | madclicker | need help with adsl and multiple wan addresses. SOS |
| 01:16.31 | aFlag | ok, thanks guys |
| 01:16.34 | scarynetworkguy | Guerin: I loathe 0s in the network portion of a address. They just look "wrong" to me. |
| 01:16.43 | Guerin | whee, off to work |
| 01:16.51 | ethics | madclicker, cant you just set it up like normal then change the subnet mask in interfaces? |
| 01:17.13 | asg | Guerin: yeah, hopefully the rest will not be this bad :/ |
| 01:17.20 | ethics | madclicker, your not using nat anymore so it should just about work witg forwarding turned on |
| 01:17.26 | scarynetworkguy | That and there's no craftsmanship to it. |
| 01:17.55 | asg | abrotman: I'm trying to preempt any lingering future knowledge of the next 3 days. |
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| 01:18.07 | ethics | scarynetworkguy, i hate having to have different addresses in networks because tunneling between the same IP range is unconfigurable |
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| 01:18.29 | scarynetworkguy | ethics: Yeah. So? |
| 01:18.30 | asg | ethics: so is cheap toilet paper |
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| 01:18.43 | abrotman | asg: beer beer beer! |
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| 01:19.05 | asg | abrotman: indeed |
| 01:19.09 | serialkiller | question how do i disable shell accounts for users but leave shell for root user and ftp access to everyone? |
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| 01:19.36 | asg | serialkiller: set their login shell to /bin/false |
| 01:19.36 | abrotman | /bin/false |
| 01:19.49 | serialkiller | will that affect there ftp? |
| 01:19.59 | asg | serialkiller: no, it shouldn't |
| 01:20.06 | serialkiller | ok thanks alot guys |
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| 01:20.43 | chealer | BTW, is there a way to temporarily disable users login (except root), without going in runlevel 1? |
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| 01:20.51 | asg | chealer: touch /etc/nologin |
| 01:20.57 | Xenguy | chealer: /etc/nologin ? |
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| 01:21.18 | asg | chealer: that might also affect root so make sure you are logged in as root before doing that. |
| 01:21.25 | Jarrette | i just installed debian, there weren't any modules compatible with my ntework card, what do i do? |
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| 01:21.31 | chealer | oh WOW. I couldn't imagine it was *that* simple :D |
| 01:21.38 | chealer | thanks asg, Xenguy |
| 01:21.39 | madclicker | ethics: can you retype , my connection @ home keeps crapping out |
| 01:21.48 | chealer | asg: ok |
| 01:21.49 | asg | chealer: if you put information in /etc/nologin, that will be echoed to users trying to login |
| 01:22.11 | chealer | cool |
| 01:22.41 | chealer | that's what man nologin says...and you don't have to worry about root |
| 01:22.42 | asg | Jarrette: first, find out if your network card is supported by linux at all. If so, you can compile a kernel with support. If not, you will need a compatible ethernet card. |
| 01:22.59 | abrotman | Jarrette: which card ? |
| 01:23.10 | asg | chealer: well, we don't generally allow root logins (prefering su or sudo) so you'd have to have at least one user already logged in and su'd before doing that. |
| 01:23.56 | mfrisch | Has anyone gotten * to compile on Debian? |
| 01:24.06 | Jarrette | it does work, it worked fine with ubuntu. it's the accten technology corporation model S<C2-1211TX |
| 01:24.22 | Jarrette | *SMC2 |
| 01:24.28 | Jarrette | or that's what lspci gave me |
| 01:25.11 | abrotman | Jarrette: and which driver does google will say works? |
| 01:25.43 | Davey | How do I make Apache2 load a module thats in /etc/apache2/mods-available? just cp to mods-enabled? |
| 01:25.51 | chealer | asg: sure... |
| 01:26.07 | abrotman | Davey: ln -s |
| 01:26.15 | abrotman | Davey: man ln if you need more help |
| 01:26.52 | Davey | abrotman: oh, I symlink? theres no special tool to run or anything? |
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| 01:27.02 | ethics | scarmadclicker...cant you set it up like a normal adsl then change your netmask and enable ipforwarding?...you dont want nat etc...its should almost just work... |
| 01:27.08 | Davey | oh, heh, its already been done for me :D |
| 01:27.43 | abrotman | Davey: uhm .. |
| 01:28.02 | abrotman | Davey: i use ln -s .. dunno fi that's the approved way or not |
| 01:28.08 | Davey | abrotman: installing the mod_dav_svn package (whatever it was called) already did what I needed :) |
| 01:28.14 | rr72 | !fi |
| 01:28.14 | dpkg | fi is probably Finland |
| 01:28.19 | sepen | Davey: LoadModule in modules.conf |
| 01:28.37 | ethics | madclicker...cant you set it up like a normal adsl then change your netmask and enable ipforwarding?...you dont want nat etc...its should almost just work... |
| 01:29.08 | Davey | sepen: no in Apache2, apparently |
| 01:29.15 | abrotman | Davey: ok |
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| 01:29.32 | furrywolf | dpkg: fi is also the end of an if block |
| 01:29.32 | dpkg | okay, furrywolf |
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| 01:30.41 | madclicker | ethics: i need one ip for my network , one for the neighbouring unit and so on.... |
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| 01:31.20 | Solet-deb | whats the 'command' to print to the cups server? gimp wont print to my printer... but i know it works, i can print with other programs |
| 01:31.26 | Jarrette | could anyone tell me where i could find a list of modules for network cards or w/e, i found one before, but now googl'es not returning anything |
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| 01:31.30 | ethics | madclicker, yeah thats what the subnet means.....you should be able to set it up like a normal ADSL but dont set up NAT just ip forwarding |
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| 01:31.46 | furrywolf | solet-deb: remove -oraw from the options in gimp when you click setup printer |
| 01:31.57 | madclicker | ethics: the how will i forward my local net? |
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| 01:32.02 | ethics | Jarrette, /lib/Kernel-Uname -r/modules/net |
| 01:32.04 | Xenguy | Solet-deb: you may need to remove the '-oraw' |
| 01:32.27 | ethics | madclicker, if ip forwarding is on then it will just happen i think |
| 01:32.29 | abrotman | Jarrette: google your model and linux driver |
| 01:32.29 | Xenguy | Solet-deb: or maybe you're problem is different |
| 01:32.31 | abrotman | err .. |
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| 01:32.36 | abrotman | "model linux driver" |
| 01:32.46 | Jarrette | k, tnx |
| 01:32.59 | rr72 | !tnx |
| 01:32.59 | dpkg | Really, "Thank you" will do. It's not too much to ask, is it? |
| 01:33.01 | Xenguy | Solet-deb: in my case GIMP printed garbage to the printer |
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| 01:34.58 | madclicker | ethics: the ppp0 comes up as 216.126.89.193 and my subnet is 216.126.89.198/26 so i want 216.126.89.200 to route outside by it self not as 216.126.89.193 which us a ppp0 |
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| 01:35.56 | rr72 | i need help with lilo |
| 01:36.06 | ethics | madclicker...yeah...thats just ipforwarding on i beleive |
| 01:36.11 | ethics | rr72 whats up? |
| 01:36.13 | kelan | use grub! |
| 01:36.14 | mfrisch | I need help...:)~ |
| 01:36.14 | rr72 | maybe switching to grub if necceserry |
| 01:36.17 | kelan | heh |
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| 01:36.30 | rr72 | i get errors |
| 01:36.32 | ethics | rr72 whats up? |
| 01:36.46 | furrywolf | rr72: your space bar seems to be sticking |
| 01:36.48 | jetscreamer | !growisofs |
| 01:37.01 | rr72 | furrywolf~ i guess so |
| 01:37.03 | abrotman | !gloworm |
| 01:37.07 | pineKon3_- | !fix oakland |
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| 01:37.20 | jetscreamer | dpkg: growisofs is <reply> http://fy.chalmers.se/~appro/linux/DVD+RW/ |
| 01:37.20 | dpkg | jetscreamer: okay |
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| 01:38.05 | madclicker | ethics: so what you are saying is "plug the modem ti WAN swithc, bring up the DSL connection on linux, disable NAT and plug the rest of the systems with "outside net" into WAN switch with assigned IP addressing"? |
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| 01:38.33 | ama | does anyone know how to specify file save location with wget? |
| 01:38.44 | ethics | yah....use public ips on PCs turn nat off see if they ping etc... |
| 01:38.45 | jetscreamer | man oh man i tell you |
| 01:38.50 | furrywolf | ama: man wget |
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| 01:38.55 | ama | i did |
| 01:38.57 | rr72 | i tryed to follow instructions here: http://www.tprthai.net/bootmgr.htm but lilo errors out |
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| 01:39.03 | ama | manual page dosnt say, in clear english |
| 01:39.03 | furrywolf | read closer, then. :) |
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| 01:39.17 | rr72 | !rtfm |
| 01:39.17 | dpkg | rtfm is, like, Read The Fucking Manual. If you want to ask a question about foo, please read man foo; before asking. If there isn't a manpage about foo, use apropos to find one. Reading manuals helps us help you. [You might try info foo as well.] |
| 01:39.24 | madclicker | ethics: i lost connection again, sorry |
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| 01:40.10 | Solet-deb_ | is there a way in the cups server i can make my printer use less ink on photo's? its made the paper wet with ink... like old ass cannon's did |
| 01:40.15 | foxiness | can i change vfat label on linux and how ? e2label - ex2 & 3- |
| 01:40.16 | ethics | madclicker, yeah thats right.. |
| 01:40.39 | madclicker | ethics: will shorewall reanable NAT? |
| 01:40.49 | rr72 | i need help with lilo |
| 01:40.51 | rr72 | i tryed to follow instructions here: http://www.tprthai.net/bootmgr.htm but lilo errors out |
| 01:41.13 | ethics | madclicker, i dont know shorewall...possibly tho |
| 01:41.18 | steve_ | !bitchx |
| 01:41.18 | dpkg | i heard bitchx is a fine irc-client build on epic and ircII. as a debian package, screwed up and not falling back to IPv4 when IPv6 ain't possible, or not as good as irssi |
| 01:41.18 | jetscreamer | what is the error |
| 01:41.26 | rr72 | multiple |
| 01:41.28 | rr72 | li |
| 01:41.32 | jetscreamer | ah |
| 01:41.34 | rr72 | then the 90 90 90 90 90 |
| 01:41.34 | jetscreamer | rerun lilo |
| 01:41.42 | rr72 | and sometimes 45 45 45 45 5 45 45 54 5 |
| 01:41.46 | rr72 | does squat |
| 01:41.47 | jetscreamer | can you boot it? |
| 01:41.49 | rr72 | same thing |
| 01:41.50 | jetscreamer | at all? |
| 01:41.54 | asg | !li |
| 01:41.54 | dpkg | if 'LI' is printed when the system is booted, it means that your drive is probably too large (OR you simply forgot to run 'lilo'). There is a Large-disk-mini-howto. Read it.. Boot the rescue disk, edit lilo.conf and add 'lba32' then try again., or (if drive geometry has changed) try booting from the rescue disk, mounting /, and rerunning lilo. Or you could try grub instead. :) Lithium, or Liechtenstein. |
| 01:41.58 | rr72 | asg i know |
| 01:42.00 | steve_ | <PROTECTED> |
| 01:42.03 | rr72 | hes helping me |
| 01:42.13 | Ronin | steve_: up to you |
| 01:42.14 | Xenguy | steve_: irssi, please |
| 01:42.16 | rr72 | jetscreamer~ with boot disk |
| 01:42.26 | rr72 | im trying to dual boot tho |
| 01:42.29 | steve_ | what the pros and cons of both |
| 01:42.31 | Xenguy | steve_: BX is a dinosaur IRC client that needs to die |
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| 01:42.34 | jetscreamer | ok. so did you check the lilo.conf? |
| 01:42.36 | madclicker | ethics: you see i tried that and the only way I have it kind of working is i used an available BSD machine to act as a router, because the way you discribed it didnt work |
| 01:42.38 | asg | !bitchx |
| 01:42.38 | dpkg | bitchx is, like, a fine irc-client build on epic and ircII. as a debian package, screwed up and not falling back to IPv4 when IPv6 ain't possible, or not as good as irssi |
| 01:42.39 | jetscreamer | i dual boot with lilo |
| 01:42.48 | rr72 | but use nt loader |
| 01:42.50 | asg | bah, who buggered the factoid |
| 01:42.51 | Ronin | steve_: try both and decide |
| 01:42.52 | steve_ | Xenguy: why does it need to die? |
| 01:42.56 | rr72 | did u see the link? |
| 01:43.03 | steve_ | okay- i will! |
| 01:43.05 | jetscreamer | rr72: you don't need to use ntloader. no i didn't see the link |
| 01:43.06 | furrywolf | !factinfo bitchx |
| 01:43.06 | dpkg | bitchx -- last modified 1d 22h 20m 17s ago by kelan!~kurt@68.101.16.64; it has been requested 3 times, last by asg, 28s ago. |
| 01:43.08 | Xenguy | steve_: the infantile quit messages are insufferable |
| 01:43.18 | ethics | madclicker, i dont think theres much to it maybee shorewall has changed your iptables defaults or something |
| 01:43.19 | rr72 | http://www.tprthai.net/bootmgr.htm |
| 01:43.25 | jetscreamer | rr72: you can chainload ntloader from lilo |
| 01:43.38 | furrywolf | xenguy: what do you expect from any developer that would name something bitchx? :P |
| 01:43.43 | Davey | what would be the preferrered root for my SVN repository (i.e. "The Debian Way") |
| 01:43.51 | rr72 | jetscreamer~ i do because win is first and my debian is not perm |
| 01:43.52 | Xenguy | furrywolf: I cannot disagree =) |
| 01:43.57 | resiak | !bitchx =~ s#irssi#irssi, and needs less moronic /quit messages# |
| 01:43.57 | dpkg | resiak: OK |
| 01:44.06 | Solet-deb_ | is there a way in the cups server i can make my printer use less ink on photo's? its made the paper wet with ink... like old ass cannon's did |
| 01:44.09 | abrotman | fewer ? |
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| 01:44.15 | ethics | rr72 or you can use grub if you want 2k/xp on your second harddisk and not you primary |
| 01:44.16 | jetscreamer | rr72 i install lilo to hda which is w2k. in the mbr. works fine. i chainload ntloader. |
| 01:44.16 | madclicker | ethics: before i had a socket dsl bridged connection and all was good, but with PPPOE it is not as simple |
| 01:44.18 | asg | Davey: /var/lib/svn or /var/lib/subversion |
| 01:44.26 | jetscreamer | from there i can boot w9x or nt |
| 01:44.27 | furrywolf | solet-deb: did you select premium photo paper and then print on plain paper? |
| 01:44.27 | Davey | ok, thanks :) |
| 01:44.42 | rr72 | jetscreamer~ debian is not perm |
| 01:44.45 | Solet-deb_ | furrywolf: no |
| 01:44.51 | Solet-deb_ | its all "standard" |
| 01:44.53 | rr72 | getting new system just for it |
| 01:44.55 | ethics | madclicker, pppoe is more quirky |
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| 01:45.03 | jetscreamer | rr72 i've had boxes with nt only and lilo in the mbr. works fine. |
| 01:45.08 | furrywolf | if you're using gimp-print, you can try turning the density down. if you're not using gimp-print, and your printer is supported by gimp-print, use gimp-print. |
| 01:45.08 | asg | Davey: that's where Debian puts cvs repos by default (/var/lib/cvs) so it makes sense. |
| 01:45.11 | jetscreamer | untill you want to change it :) |
| 01:45.20 | jetscreamer | you can't do that with grub |
| 01:45.22 | rr72 | i want to keep ntloader |
| 01:45.25 | Davey | I see that, thanks :) |
| 01:45.26 | jetscreamer | ok |
| 01:45.41 | asg | @bitchx |
| 01:45.44 | Solet-deb_ | is gimp print the default printing thing with in gimp or is it a seperate package |
| 01:45.49 | asg | !kill simonrvn |
| 01:45.54 | furrywolf | gimp-print has no relation to gimp anymore... |
| 01:45.54 | jetscreamer | anytime i want ntloader back in the mbr i use a w9x floppy and fdisk /mbr... boot w2k and it wil fix it and want to reboot |
| 01:46.01 | rr72 | !lart asg |
| 01:46.09 | jetscreamer | i know the howto you mean, i've read it. never did it. g'luck. |
| 01:46.32 | rr72 | just lilo is the part messing it up |
| 01:46.33 | madclicker | ethics: i am thinking of bridging eth0 (adsl modem) and eth2 (wan switch) but there is not much info on bridging ppp and eth interfaces, nor is it possible .....bahhh |
| 01:46.55 | jetscreamer | did you install lilo to lthe partition, in lilo.conf? |
| 01:46.55 | asg | Solet-deb_: nah, he's up, ravenbird doesn't have the original bitchx factoid either |
| 01:47.05 | rr72 | lthe? |
| 01:47.10 | jetscreamer | ie, hda2 or hdb1 or whatever? |
| 01:47.12 | jetscreamer | the |
| 01:47.40 | rr72 | what do u mean? |
| 01:48.21 | jetscreamer | i mean in lilo.conf, did you put boot=/dev/hdb1, or whatever. then rerun lilo. that's boot, not root. would be the same as root= i guess. |
| 01:48.31 | jetscreamer | not hdb, but hdb1 |
| 01:48.49 | Solet-deb_ | asg yeah but getting 'chopz0r3d' by a knoppix cd? ouch... take his pride, his head... did you rape his sister with a Micro$oft office bundle while you were at it? |
| 01:49.05 | rr72 | of caurse |
| 01:49.12 | rr72 | i think |
| 01:49.23 | rr72 | im turning back on somin in win |
| 01:49.26 | jetscreamer | less /etc/lilo.conf and find out |
| 01:49.30 | rr72 | ill chach soon |
| 01:49.33 | rr72 | i can't |
| 01:49.38 | rr72 | atm |
| 01:49.46 | jetscreamer | if you're in windows get explore2fs |
| 01:49.56 | jetscreamer | very handy |
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| 01:50.18 | Solet-deb_ | if you're in windows get debian sarge netinstall iso... more handy |
| 01:50.21 | ethics | jetscreamer, did you say something about grub not being able to do something? |
| 01:50.23 | rr72 | why? |
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| 01:50.31 | rr72 | im restarting |
| 01:50.35 | rr72 | i know what to do |
| 01:50.38 | rr72 | goes quickly |
| 01:50.43 | jetscreamer | i said grub borked out on me when it couldn't find the linux hd |
| 01:50.48 | jetscreamer | basically |
| 01:50.51 | jetscreamer | and lilo doesn't |
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| 01:51.23 | asg | jetscreamer: grub relies on bios settings to find hard drives. If grub is having issues, that's a good place to look. |
| 01:51.24 | MobyTurbo | ethics: grub can't do something? Grub can do everything, fix your car, bake cookies, everything. |
| 01:51.31 | fken | why does the commandline "/usr/sbin/lpadmin -x LBP-660 | /bin/true" require a password ? |
| 01:51.35 | jetscreamer | asg: i took the hd out |
| 01:51.37 | F-Lelo | Hey mates! :) I installed java package from a .bin and my screen got all weird now... How do I fix this? |
| 01:51.45 | jetscreamer | grub freaked |
| 01:51.49 | jetscreamer | lilo doesn't |
| 01:52.00 | asg | jetscreamer: of course |
| 01:52.11 | abrotman | F-Lelo: ask #java .. you apparently didn't use java-package/make-jpkg |
| 01:52.14 | jetscreamer | lilo>grub |
| 01:52.16 | asg | F-Lelo: X screen or console/terminal screen? |
| 01:52.22 | asg | jetscreamer: fsvo lilo |
| 01:52.25 | F-Lelo | asg: X Screen! :/ |
| 01:52.28 | MobyTurbo | !start a bootloader war |
| 01:52.28 | dpkg | lilo sucks |
| 01:52.32 | Delph | F-Lelo: don't install java from the bin. Use java-package. |
| 01:52.34 | jetscreamer | fsvo? |
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| 01:52.37 | Solet-deb_ | i just got alien smitten by wanda the fish.... going through offinsive fortunes out of boredom: |
| 01:52.38 | asg | !fsvo |
| 01:52.39 | dpkg | [fsvo] For Some Values Of. For Small Values Of |
| 01:52.39 | Solet-deb_ | "I say we take off; nuke the site from orbit. It's the only way to be sure." |
| 01:52.41 | Solet-deb_ | - Corporal Hicks, in "Aliens" |
| 01:52.41 | ethics | jetscreamer: grub can map and hide...which may be your problem with it..../msg dpkg multiboot has a working grub map for 2k on secondary |
| 01:52.43 | jetscreamer | ah |
| 01:52.45 | steve_ | !irssi |
| 01:52.45 | dpkg | it has been said that irssi is the best irc client ever, or found in the irssi-text package |
| 01:52.54 | steve_ | !mc |
| 01:52.54 | dpkg | somebody said mc was Midnight Commander, a file browser for GNU. Monaco |
| 01:53.02 | asg | !botabuse |
| 01:53.02 | dpkg | lay off me you buggerererers!!11! |
| 01:53.08 | steve_ | !botabuse |
| 01:53.11 | F-Lelo | Delph: hmmm Already done it :/ |
| 01:53.18 | F-Lelo | how do I uninstall java when I installed from the bin? |
| 01:53.22 | steve_ | !eternal sunday |
| 01:53.23 | dpkg | Eternal Sunday of The Clueless Mind. Yes, folks, due to popular demand, every day is now sunday. See <sunday>. |
| 01:53.30 | rr72 | !permsunday |
| 01:53.31 | jetscreamer | ethics: i just 'don't like it', lilo is easier for me to grok, and i don't see that grub has any enhancements to induce me to switch |
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| 01:53.36 | Delph | F-Lelo: no idea; see the install instructions. |
| 01:53.40 | kelan | !start a bootloader holy war |
| 01:53.42 | abrotman | steve_: lay off the bot |
| 01:53.47 | F-Lelo | Delph: alright |
| 01:53.47 | steve_ | !okay |
| 01:53.47 | dpkg | Don't talk back to me or you're going to be sorry! |
| 01:53.47 | F-Lelo | :) |
| 01:53.50 | kelan | er |
| 01:53.51 | MobyTurbo | come on guys, this is bot abuse even by my standards |
| 01:53.53 | jetscreamer | !botabuse |
| 01:53.54 | dpkg | lay off me you buggerererers!!11! |
| 01:54.00 | jetscreamer | :) |
| 01:54.02 | kelan | !start a bootloader war |
| 01:54.02 | dpkg | grub rules |
| 01:54.05 | abrotman | kelan: stop |
| 01:54.06 | Delph | F-Lelo: if you asked about the package, I'd just say apt-get remove... which is why we like the package. |
| 01:54.06 | conover | Anyone have a list of Apt-Get's for installing Gnome? |
| 01:54.14 | asg | conover: /msg dpkg install gnome |
| 01:54.17 | jetscreamer | apt-cache search gnome |
| 01:54.24 | F-Lelo | Delph: yeah but I didn't know there was a package for java :) |
| 01:54.25 | steve_ | !install gnome |
| 01:54.25 | dpkg | [install gnome] in woody: apt-get install gnome-session gnome-control-center sawfish-gnome ; In sarge and sid: apt-get install gnome |
| 01:54.25 | Delph | conover: apt-get a random gnome package and the rest will appear, i'm sure. |
| 01:54.29 | jetscreamer | conover: this isn't woody is it? |
| 01:54.36 | abrotman | steve_: fucking stop with the god damned bot |
| 01:54.37 | Delph | F-Lelo: we love apt-cache search =:) |
| 01:54.55 | conover | jetscreamer: no, its Knoppix |
| 01:54.57 | steve_ | I WILL NOT USE THE BOT FOR 3 DAYS |
| 01:54.59 | jetscreamer | ah |
| 01:55.00 | rr72 | jetscreamer~ u want to see my lilo.conf? |
| 01:55.00 | F-Lelo | Delph: the worst thing is that I did the search... just didn't see anything =/ |
| 01:55.02 | asg | asg@rob:~$ apt-cache search love | wc -l |
| 01:55.02 | asg | 47 |
| 01:55.04 | jetscreamer | apt-get install gnome |
| 01:55.11 | steve_ | DOES APT WORK? |
| 01:55.12 | F-Lelo | now my apt gives me weird errors |
| 01:55.13 | Delph | F-Lelo: it's in contrib -- is that in your sources? |
| 01:55.16 | steve_ | as a bot? |
| 01:55.17 | jetscreamer | rr72 sure |
| 01:55.26 | asg | steve_: apt has been awol for a year or so now |
| 01:55.26 | conover | jetscreamer: Thx. I was to chicken to try it. |
| 01:55.31 | kelan | apt is boring. dpkg rules |
| 01:55.37 | jim | Jarrette: what net card? |
| 01:55.38 | F-Lelo | Delph: nope... that's why :) |
| 01:55.40 | Delph | (contrib == depends on non-free software, but is free of itself) |
| 01:55.43 | jetscreamer | conover: that's the entire kitchen sink and then some |
| 01:55.43 | asg | steve_: it works but is schizo and is generally used to yell at people who irc as root |
| 01:55.53 | rr72 | jetscreamer~ pm ok? |
| 01:55.54 | Delph | which is what you'd expect for something that uses the sun java =:) |
| 01:55.59 | conover | jetscreamer: Thx. |
| 01:56.02 | jetscreamer | !tell rr72 about paste |
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| 01:56.29 | jetscreamer | conover: you can use aptitude or something to look at a list and maybe not get stuff you don't need |
| 01:56.40 | ethics | jetscreamer, yeah i hear ya...not trying to convert you just thought id mention that grub can do all thats needed for that stuff... |
| 01:56.50 | Solet-deb_ | how do you add things on to factoids.... because i want to add "bill gates favorite childhood snack" to the end of !paste |
| 01:56.59 | asg | steve_: /msg dpkg help |
| 01:57.01 | jetscreamer | is also |
| 01:57.07 | conover | jetscreamer: thanks, its for my wife's computer, and she has a lot of spinning real estate |
| 01:57.10 | F-Lelo | Delph: look #flood |
| 01:57.13 | jetscreamer | Solet-deb_: is also |
| 01:57.20 | jim | what do you want to add to the paste? superglue? |
| 01:57.23 | Solet-deb_ | dpkg, paste is also Bill Gates favorite childhood snack. |
| 01:57.25 | dpkg | Solet-deb_: okay |
| 01:57.33 | furrywolf | solet-deb: which is why we don't tell people how to add things to factoids. |
| 01:57.51 | jetscreamer | Solet-deb_: now fix the punctuation. don't uglify the factoids! |
| 01:57.52 | F-Lelo | Delph: now that I got that error, I can't install anything :/ |
| 01:57.56 | asg | !paste =~ s/Gates/Gates'/ |
| 01:57.56 | dpkg | OK, asg |
| 01:57.58 | abrotman | wtf |
| 01:58.04 | jetscreamer | yeah i noticed i f/u'd, furrywolf |
| 01:58.07 | Delph | F-Lelo: you've done broken your apt, you have. |
| 01:58.23 | F-Lelo | Delph: hmm what do I do to fix it? :/ |
| 01:58.29 | Delph | no idea |
| 01:58.34 | F-Lelo | lol =D |
| 01:58.38 | Delph | not my field of work. |
| 01:58.41 | ethics | !42 |
| 01:58.41 | dpkg | from memory, 42 is the answer to the ultimate question of life, the universe, and everything. or 6 * 8 or hexadecimal for 'B' or 10!/86400, or what you get when you multiply 6 by 9. (base 13), or a number that silly people use, or the number of roads a man walks down. in Douglas Adams' book, or *not* the meaning of life |
| 01:58.46 | F-Lelo | hmmm alright |
| 01:58.50 | rr72 | jetscreamer~ u just want the cmds? |
| 01:58.51 | fken | so new question : how to use lpadmin -x |
| 01:58.52 | rr72 | or configs? |
| 01:58.52 | F-Lelo | thanks anyway |
| 01:58.53 | jim | has anyone checked in with their share of contribution to Bill? search the net for the Bill Gates Personal Wealth Clock |
| 01:59.00 | F-Lelo | Hmm.. |
| 01:59.01 | fken | it require a password |
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| 01:59.10 | F-Lelo | Hey ppl! What should I do if my apt is broken? :P |
| 01:59.26 | jim | F-Lelo: find the problem, solve the problem |
| 01:59.34 | F-Lelo | jim: look @ #flood |
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| 02:00.16 | Solet-deb_ | what the fuck, who cares what six times nine is in base 13... who the fuck uses base 13 |
| 02:00.17 | F-Lelo | jim: ok? |
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| 02:00.30 | furrywolf | !42 =~ s/hexadecimal for/hexadecimal for ascii/ |
| 02:00.30 | dpkg | OK, furrywolf |
| 02:00.33 | Delph | it's like you've got two packages wanting to install the same file. |
| 02:00.34 | jim | maybe later |
| 02:00.37 | fken | i search the command in localhost:631 |
| 02:00.46 | jim | too lazy right nwo |
| 02:00.55 | fken | and a friend in man |
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| 02:00.59 | fken | but no trace |
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| 02:01.30 | fken | nothing about lpadmin -x |
| 02:01.32 | F-Lelo | Hey ppl! What should I do if my apt is broken? :P |
| 02:01.35 | dvs | Solet-deb_: marvin cares |
| 02:01.38 | furrywolf | fken: what's the question? and stop hitting enter so often. |
| 02:01.46 | cklennard | F-Lelo: shot the admin |
| 02:01.54 | Solet-deb_ | and who prey tell is marvin? |
| 02:01.59 | F-Lelo | cklennard: Very usefull |
| 02:02.01 | F-Lelo | ¬¬ |
| 02:02.03 | asg | Solet-deb_: the paranoid android |
| 02:02.07 | dvs | Solet-deb_: Marvin the paranoid android |
| 02:02.16 | jim | don't spoil the movie please |
| 02:02.29 | rob_lt | Are there any plans to get things like selinux and exec-shield into debian after sarge goes stable? |
| 02:02.29 | asg | Solet-deb_: go buy the book, see the play, the radio series, etc. |
| 02:02.34 | cklennard | F-Lelo: well start with telling whats the error message |
| 02:02.38 | asg | rob_lt: there are |
| 02:02.43 | Solet-deb_ | what book? |
| 02:02.44 | F-Lelo | cklennard: I can't paste it here, go to #flood please |
| 02:02.48 | asg | rob_lt: look at Manoj's blog for more info |
| 02:02.58 | fken | furrywolf ok : the question is why lpadmin -x answer connexion refused and how to use it ? what's the goal... i cant find it in cups help |
| 02:02.58 | asg | Solet-deb_: the Hitchhiker's Guide to the Galaxy |
| 02:03.08 | Solet-deb_ | ah |
| 02:03.09 | abrotman | rob_lt: there is hardened debian |
| 02:03.12 | jim | at least join maybe #hhg-spoiler channel first |
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| 02:03.52 | rob_lt | asg, thanks. I was reading good things about fedora core 4 and their out of the box security features. abrotman, I'll take a look at that too. |
| 02:04.21 | asg | rob_lt: selinux will take a lot more work than what fc4 has (or debian will have in etch) but it's a good start. |
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| 02:04.28 | abrotman | !tell rob_lt about harden |
| 02:04.30 | silverton | okay, if I were to install bittorrent by the .deb from the website, and I already have the last version installed, how do I update the package with the new one? |
| 02:04.34 | jim | rob_lt: security features are only as good as the guy running the box. |
| 02:04.41 | abrotman | !tell rob_lt about harden-doc |
| 02:04.58 | rob_lt | abrotman, thanks... should be a good read. |
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| 02:05.18 | Delph | silverton: what's wrong with the in-debian packages? |
| 02:05.28 | silverton | I want the 4.1 beta |
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| 02:05.47 | jbmigel | omg i just plugged my shuffle into front usb port and nothing happened! |
| 02:06.02 | silverton | maybe the USB port doesn't work |
| 02:06.03 | asg | jbmigel: check dmesg and /var/log/syslog |
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| 02:06.14 | jacky | i want to build a .deb with debug symbols |
| 02:06.25 | jacky | howto do that |
| 02:06.37 | jbmigel | silverton no port works, like shuffle light up and charging... but no reaction from the sarge |
| 02:06.50 | asg | jacky: get the source deb, /msg dpkg debian/rules, fix rules to stop stripping debug symbols |
| 02:06.59 | Delph | silverton: try it with a --no-act (man dpkg), and see what it's going to do |
| 02:07.09 | jacky | asg: ok, thanks |
| 02:07.22 | silverton | ghost:/home/dennis# dpkg --no-act bittorrent-4.1.0.linux_i686-2_all.deb |
| 02:07.22 | silverton | dpkg: need an action option |
| 02:07.23 | Delph | mixing debs from different sources could do anything, though. |
| 02:07.32 | Delph | silverton: yeah, you still need to tell it to install =:P |
| 02:07.48 | silverton | oh, so --no-act and -i ? |
| 02:07.51 | jbmigel | asg dmesg->"USB MASS Storage device found at 4, registered driver usb-storage, Mass support registered" am i just missing my desktop icon? where to find mount point?? |
| 02:07.52 | Delph | aye |
| 02:07.54 | asg | jacky: looking for 'dh_strip' in debian/rules is likely what you are after. |
| 02:08.00 | Guerin | silverton: that action no verb |
| 02:08.05 | asg | jbmigel: /msg dpkg usb-storage |
| 02:08.10 | silverton | ghost:/home/dennis# dpkg --no-act -i bittorrent-4.1.0.linux_i686-2_all.deb |
| 02:08.10 | silverton | (Reading database ... 111596 files and directories currently installed.) |
| 02:08.10 | silverton | Unpacking bittorrent-4.1.0.linux (from bittorrent-4.1.0.linux_i686-2_all.deb) ... |
| 02:08.17 | jbmigel | asg thx |
| 02:08.17 | silverton | I take it that it worked? |
| 02:08.17 | abrotman | silverton: stop fucking pasting |
| 02:08.23 | silverton | SORRY! |
| 02:08.28 | silverton | ... only three lines... |
| 02:08.29 | asg | jbmigel: as far as desktop icons go, I have no idea. I only use xterms. |
| 02:08.29 | abrotman | you should know by now |
| 02:08.34 | abrotman | pasting is pasting |
| 02:08.45 | Delph | silverton: well, did it remove the old versions, did it do what you wanted it to do? |
| 02:08.45 | silverton | For all you know, I typed it out ;) |
| 02:08.55 | asg | silverton: you didn't or the bot wouldn't have kicked you |
| 02:09.02 | silverton | I got kicked? |
| 02:09.04 | abrotman | silverton: right |
| 02:09.09 | abrotman | asg: four |
| 02:09.09 | furrywolf | silverton: even if you did type it out, it still doesn't make it remotely useful to anyone. |
| 02:09.13 | asg | bah |
| 02:09.20 | asg | abrotman: didn't it kick him before? |
| 02:09.21 | silverton | abrotman, when the hell did that happen?? |
| 02:09.25 | ethics | jbmigel, thats saying the drive has been found you now need to mount it..... |
| 02:09.30 | abrotman | asg: not in the last 2 minutes :) |
| 02:09.45 | silverton | Delph, still ver 4.0.1 |
| 02:09.51 | asg | abrotman: ah, I just filled in the kick then. |
| 02:09.52 | abrotman | silverton: i'm sorry .. one of us isn't capable of engaging in conversation |
| 02:09.54 | Delph | silverton: yes, of course it will be. |
| 02:10.12 | Delph | silverton: but it will have said if it was going to replace the old version, yes? |
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| 02:10.34 | silverton | Delph, it didn't say anything about replacing |
| 02:10.42 | silverton | just said it unpacked it |
| 02:10.51 | silverton | abrotman, I don't think I've ever been kicked for pasting |
| 02:10.57 | Delph | bah, too late for me to think about this. |
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| 02:11.04 | jetscreamer | !tell rr72 about initrd |
| 02:11.06 | abrotman | Delph: 6am ? |
| 02:11.08 | Delph | aye |
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| 02:11.15 | silverton | Delph, I shall just remove bt 4.0.1 |
| 02:11.18 | abrotman | Delph: work at 9am ? |
| 02:11.23 | Delph | silverton: probably safe |
| 02:11.26 | Delph | abrotman: ha, as if. |
| 02:11.36 | furrywolf | can whoever admins dpkg hack it so if you !tell yourself someone it bitches at you for annoying the channel? :) |
| 02:11.39 | rr72 | thx |
| 02:11.52 | ethics | whats the remote logon thing called in x? xdmcp or something? |
| 02:11.54 | silverton | Delph, "apt-get remove bittorrent-gui" didn't work >.< |
| 02:12.00 | silverton | I must not have apt-got it |
| 02:12.04 | silverton | now I'm confused |
| 02:12.05 | asg | !qotd27 |
| 02:12.05 | dpkg | <yevgeniy2> !sest <yevgeniy2> !test <yevgeniy2> !test <yevgeniy2> !test -!- yevgeniy2 was kicked from #debian by debhelper [flood] <dpkg> No, yevgeniy2, you're not online any more. |
| 02:12.12 | jacky | Are there any HTTP library (for client) in debian? |
| 02:12.14 | resiak | furrywolf: /msg dpkg who owns you |
| 02:12.15 | jbmigel | ethics when i ran ubuntu it would automount it, is there some package that i can install for this? I dont want to be mounting at will all the time |
| 02:12.17 | resiak | furrywolf: /msg dpkg what are you |
| 02:12.21 | resiak | furrywolf: Write a patch :) |
| 02:12.23 | asg | jacky: in what language? |
| 02:12.31 | jacky | c |
| 02:12.34 | asg | jacky: libcurl |
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| 02:12.53 | jacky | asg: ok, thank you very much |
| 02:12.55 | ethics | jbmigel, man hotplug...theres a place you can put scripts..... |
| 02:12.58 | resiak | jbmigel: gnome-volume-manager |
| 02:13.06 | asg | jacky: apt-cache search libcurl (there are a few varieties) |
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| 02:13.34 | SantaOne | hi =) |
| 02:13.53 | ethics | <PROTECTED> |
| 02:14.20 | resiak | ethics: Why? g-v-m, udev and pals work _fantastically_ for me. They do all the hard work. |
| 02:14.40 | rr72 | !tell jetscreamer ty |
| 02:14.54 | rr72 | !tell jetscreamer about thx |
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| 02:15.23 | madclicker | what is the default MTU for ETH device? |
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| 02:15.43 | mfrisch | how do you remount a partition? |
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| 02:15.51 | Supaplex | madclicker: man ifconfig =) |
| 02:15.55 | resiak | mfrisch: man mount ? |
| 02:15.58 | ethics | resiak, oh ok ..ill have to have a look at g-v-m i have been doing my drives through hotplug..... |
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| 02:16.00 | abrotman | man mount |
| 02:16.00 | cklennard | madclicker: 1500? |
| 02:16.00 | PDani | hi |
| 02:16.00 | jetscreamer | !say yw rr72 |
| 02:16.01 | dpkg | yw rr72 |
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| 02:16.04 | abrotman | !work resiak |
| 02:16.11 | rr72 | lol |
| 02:16.13 | SantaOne | I am searching for a "roulette" game... any ideas? |
| 02:16.14 | dvs | !smack mfrisch |
| 02:16.20 | rr72 | !hug jetscreamer |
| 02:16.24 | rr72 | lol |
| 02:16.28 | madclicker | thx |
| 02:16.33 | jetscreamer | i gues sit worked? |
| 02:16.35 | jbmigel | SantaOne always bet on black |
| 02:16.40 | rr72 | hell no |
| 02:16.44 | rr72 | 99 99 99 99 |
| 02:16.45 | rr72 | error |
| 02:16.47 | PDani | how can i find the *.cpp, *.c, and *.h files in a directory tree with the find util? i can't figure out how can i use it (i read the man...) |
| 02:17.00 | Supaplex | !don't work resiak |
| 02:17.05 | Supaplex | ahh foo |
| 02:17.05 | rr72 | l 99 99 99 99 99 |
| 02:17.05 | rr72 | keeps going |
| 02:17.08 | PDani | please give me an example |
| 02:17.08 | furrywolf | find /path -name \*.cpp would be a good start |
| 02:17.19 | PDani | thx |
| 02:17.19 | jetscreamer | it's probably the bootsector you dd'd |
| 02:17.26 | jetscreamer | no idea |
| 02:17.29 | jetscreamer | should work |
| 02:17.32 | jetscreamer | ahh |
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| 02:17.54 | mika3l211 | hello all |
| 02:17.57 | SantaOne | jbmigel: I try to find out some techniques |
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| 02:18.05 | resiak | PDani: Look in TFM (in this case, info find >>> man find) for how to do boolean ORs. |
| 02:18.43 | ethics | PDani, find . |grep .cpp is a start... |
| 02:18.43 | abrotman | resiak: work damn you |
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| 02:18.49 | rr72 | any help? |
| 02:19.04 | ethics | PDani, explained in lamens........Find . = find everything from where i am and deeper.....|grep .cpp only show me lines with .cpp |
| 02:19.20 | abrotman | erm .. |
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| 02:19.36 | jbmigel | resiak apparently g-v-m is exactly what im looking for! also it is running, i look in gnome-volume-properties and it has no config settings for usb am i in the wrong place? |
| 02:19.36 | abrotman | furrywolf: what are you saying ? |
| 02:19.37 | furrywolf | why using grep when find does name matching already? |
| 02:19.53 | abrotman | ethics: have you used find before ? |
| 02:19.59 | los1 | anyone know if there is any good "Packet Generators" for testing an IP Network? |
| 02:20.16 | abrotman | tcpreplay maybe |
| 02:20.16 | resiak | jbmigel: It "Just Works(TM)" AFAICT. You'll need to adduser youruser plugdev for it to do stuff. |
| 02:20.23 | ethics | furrywold because i couldnt work out the man page for find either and it got me around hehe |
| 02:20.25 | resiak | jbmigel: (And log out and in) |
| 02:20.28 | abrotman | los1: not sure what you want to test |
| 02:20.32 | ethics | furrywolf because i couldnt work out the man page for find either and it got me around hehe |
| 02:20.38 | abrotman | ethics: oh .. so you give bad advice then ? |
| 02:20.48 | asg | ethics: info find (provides more information) |
| 02:21.10 | los1 | abrotman: i want to test spanning-tree...so i want to generate UDP & Unicast broadcasts |
| 02:21.17 | jbmigel | sweet thx resiak |
| 02:21.37 | abrotman | los1: right .. so .. uhm .. ping doens't work ? :) |
| 02:21.57 | ethics | abrotman, i wouldnt say it bad advice...its not the optimum command but it was in the right kind of direction |
| 02:22.06 | los1 | abrotman: and if possible mulitcast broadcasts...No I need to saturate a Gigabit link for a stress test, so regular pings wont do it |
| 02:22.08 | abrotman | so is man find :) |
| 02:22.11 | ethics | asg: cool didnt know about info |
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| 02:22.34 | cklennard | los1: does netcat help here |
| 02:22.34 | abrotman | los1: oh . tcpreplay is for a different purpose i think |
| 02:22.40 | asg | ethics: it's a completely hideous interface (pinfo is tolerable) but more informative for GNUware |
| 02:22.53 | BrianS | is this the channel for all Debian? Or does testing have it's own channel? |
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| 02:22.59 | ethics | asg hehe cool |
| 02:23.03 | ethics | BrianS all here |
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| 02:23.08 | BrianS | ok thanks |
| 02:23.20 | asg | BrianS: for all Debian (though certain specific channels exist so we will redirect you if need be.) |
| 02:23.53 | furrywolf | catting /dev/zero | nc ought to generate a pretty busy tcp stream... |
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| 02:24.00 | los1 | cklennard: netcat? I'll have to google that one... |
| 02:24.08 | abrotman | heh |
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| 02:24.44 | jbmigel | worked like a charm (TM) resiak, thx again |
| 02:24.58 | rr72 | !thx |
| 02:24.58 | dpkg | THX is an audio technology company founded by George Lucas. See http://www.thx.com. If you mean "thanks", please just say so. Thx. |
| 02:25.10 | BrianS | ok thanks. I actually don't have a question. I am just compiling a list of associated irc channels for distros. |
| 02:25.13 | resiak | jbmigel: Glad to hear it. Go forth and sing the Gnome people's praises. |
| 02:26.04 | cklennard | los1: maybe hping would do the job, but i am not sure it does udp |
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| 02:27.29 | los1 | chklennard: Just found this http://packeth.sourceforge.net/ Its called "packETH" |
| 02:27.32 | rr72 | !wave |
| 02:27.39 | rr72 | !wave resiak |
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| 02:28.01 | cklennard | los1: never heard of but i would be interested if it could do this ... |
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| 02:28.13 | abrotman | rr72: /j #debian-bots |
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| 02:28.29 | Skrylar | Does anyone know off the top of their head how to get cdrecord to burn a CD compatible with old cdroms? |
| 02:28.30 | los1 | cklennard: i'll give it a try on our Cisco test network tomorrow :) |
| 02:28.46 | abrotman | Skrylar: like any other cd |
| 02:28.48 | los1 | cklennard: I hope its got enuff whooop to kill a gig link |
| 02:28.54 | Skrylar | abrotman: ? |
| 02:29.14 | Skrylar | abrotman: I've tried that |
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| 02:29.17 | cklennard | los1: hehe good luck |
| 02:29.37 | abrotman | Skrylar: and why doesn't it work ? |
| 02:29.48 | Skrylar | abrotman: it just so happens that the laptop won't read another file to install |
| 02:29.59 | Skrylar | abrotman: it boots; it loads; it md5's |
| 02:30.16 | Skrylar | abrotman: and the /dist/testing* is not read |
| 02:30.19 | abrotman | Skrylar: that sounds like a laptop problem .. i assume you're trying to install sarge |
| 02:30.30 | Skrylar | abrotman: correct; |
| 02:30.35 | abrotman | Skrylar: you tried 2.4 and 2.6 kernels ? |
| 02:30.43 | Skrylar | abrotman: what kernel |
| 02:30.46 | Skrylar | abrotman: this is installation |
| 02:30.49 | Skrylar | abrotman: oh |
| 02:30.53 | abrotman | Skrylar: yes .. you have options :) |
| 02:30.53 | Skrylar | abrotman: yes, 2.6 dies |
| 02:30.59 | abrotman | dies ? |
| 02:31.05 | Skrylar | blacks out |
| 02:31.11 | abrotman | huh? |
| 02:31.11 | Skrylar | and freezes |
| 02:31.15 | Skrylar | thus |
| 02:31.16 | abrotman | did oyu try any of the options ? |
| 02:31.16 | Skrylar | dies |
| 02:31.22 | abrotman | like .. vga=771 or whatever it is ? |
| 02:31.31 | abrotman | or did you try froppies ? |
| 02:31.39 | Skrylar | My desktop does not have a floppy drive |
| 02:31.54 | furrywolf | !enter |
| 02:31.54 | dpkg | The enter key or carriage return key is not a substitute for punctuation. Use a period '.', comma ',', colon ':', semi-colon ';' emdash '---', or ellipsis '...' instead. |
| 02:31.56 | abrotman | oh .. bummer |
| 02:32.06 | rr72 | Skrylar~ u from texas? |
| 02:32.19 | Skrylar | rr72: yea |
| 02:32.20 | abrotman | rr72: /msg dpkg u |
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| 02:32.27 | Skrylar | !u |
| 02:32.28 | dpkg | Damnit Jim! It's YOU. Y-O-U. Not *U*. U is a letter. YOU is a word. See ne1, or wud. Dutch for 'you' (formal singular). See http://ars.userfriendly.org/cartoons/?id=20041201 |
| 02:32.45 | rr72 | Skrylar~ do u make movies |
| 02:32.47 | abrotman | Skrylar: there are lots of options for the installer .. |
| 02:32.48 | Skrylar | !u |
| 02:32.48 | dpkg | Damnit Jim! It's YOU. Y-O-U. Not *U*. U is a letter. YOU is a word. See ne1, or wud. Dutch for 'you' (formal singular). See http://ars.userfriendly.org/cartoons/?id=20041201 |
| 02:32.50 | kelan | heh |
| 02:32.53 | abrotman | !tell Skrylar about u |
| 02:32.55 | abrotman | err |
| 02:32.56 | abrotman | shit |
| 02:32.57 | abrotman | sorry |
| 02:32.58 | rr72 | !return |
| 02:32.58 | dpkg | return is, like, not punctuation |
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| 02:33.14 | dns_cache | hello |
| 02:33.17 | kelan | when you tell dpkg to tell someone, does dpkg tell that person that you told him to tell them? |
| 02:33.36 | abrotman | !tell kelan about help |
| 02:33.38 | abrotman | :) |
| 02:33.38 | rr72 | !tell kelan about dpkg |
| 02:33.42 | rr72 | damn |
| 02:33.45 | rr72 | beat me to it |
| 02:33.46 | kelan | ah good |
| 02:33.47 | furrywolf | !tell kelan about moo |
| 02:34.12 | kelan | thats a great message, furrywolf. heh |
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| 02:34.43 | dns_cache | I was wondering if someone would be kind enought to tell me or guide me as to why everytime in ftp clients or browsers or anything, it always has to resolve the dns first. even if I went to the site a minute ago. There is a delay when trying to resovle dns, and delay is quite annoying. Is there such a thing as local dns cache, and if so, where can i look to turn it on |
| 02:34.50 | Skrylar | sorry if i'm crossways. i've gone through three CD's, a perfectly innocent day, 2 laptop cd drives, and a consistent problem and lack of help has made me edgy |
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| 02:34.53 | dns_cache | where should I start looking in order to fix this little problem |
| 02:35.07 | abrotman | dns_cache: there can be |
| 02:35.13 | furrywolf | dns_cache: install bind. tell it to cache. |
| 02:35.19 | dns_cache | I run debian sarge |
| 02:35.27 | abrotman | Skrylar: it's a laptop chipset problem |
| 02:35.28 | dns_cache | linksys wireless 54g wrt router |
| 02:35.35 | dns_cache | ok |
| 02:35.40 | abrotman | dns_cache: you can have your linux box cache |
| 02:35.51 | dns_cache | abrotman: soudns good, with bind? |
| 02:35.54 | abrotman | Skrylar: i'd try to get the 2.6 not to black out using some of those options .. |
| 02:35.58 | furrywolf | keep in mind that if the site you're connecting to uses dynamic dns and/or is poorly configured, nothing sane will cache it. |
| 02:35.59 | abrotman | dns_cache: usually |
| 02:36.12 | dns_cache | abrotman: what would be the best solution |
| 02:36.24 | abrotman | Skrylar: you probably want to talk to #debian-boot .. but they may all be sleeping |
| 02:36.39 | abrotman | dns_cache: bind .. tell it to cache .. like furrywolf said |
| 02:36.44 | dns_cache | ok |
| 02:36.46 | dns_cache | thank you |
| 02:36.47 | rr72 | Skrylar~ do u make ur oen movies? |
| 02:36.55 | Skrylar | gaaaaah he's still saying u |
| 02:36.59 | furrywolf | rr72: stop it with "u". you've been told. |
| 02:37.15 | abrotman | and it makes you seem a moron |
| 02:37.17 | rr72 | its a bad hbt |
| 02:37.23 | Skrylar | rr72: No not usually but i'm about to make one about people who say "u" and "hbt" |
| 02:37.24 | abrotman | what the fuck was that ? |
| 02:37.27 | abrotman | fucking spell it out |
| 02:37.29 | nforbes | hbt isn't a word, is it? |
| 02:37.33 | furrywolf | and that's "it's", not its. |
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| 02:37.59 | abrotman | grammar you fucktard |
| 02:38.00 | nforbes | It's apparent. |
| 02:38.06 | furrywolf | if you can't be bothered to type a few extra letters, why do you think people will want to use their time bothering to help you? |
| 02:38.16 | Skrylar | "if it's supposed to be a contraction it's IT APOSTRAPHY S and if it's supposed to be symbol of ownage its ITS" -strongbad |
| 02:38.35 | abrotman | furrywolf: i'd rather not :) |
| 02:38.56 | furrywolf | abrotman: rather not help him? agreed. :) |
| 02:39.06 | camdez | haha, you used the wrong version of 'its' at the end of the strongbad quote. |
| 02:39.22 | Skrylar | People not capitalizing words and leaving out the period at the end of a sentence doesn't bother me as much as |
| 02:39.23 | abrotman | run .. fast |
| 02:39.34 | abrotman | !aolify Skrylar |
| 02:39.36 | abrotman | :) |
| 02:39.46 | abrotman | which is difficult |
| 02:39.50 | Skrylar | Guy1: hey u ther? / Guy2: yea load up duke nukem / Guy 1: kk |
| 02:39.54 | rr72 | run fast |
| 02:40.02 | Delph | camdez: i would have said the second one was the wrong one. |
| 02:40.08 | nforbes | dpkg needs to mention 'bbq' too |
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| 02:40.13 | nforbes | :D |
| 02:40.20 | Delph | given the rest are also incorrect. |
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| 02:40.42 | rr72 | !kk |
| 02:40.42 | dpkg | kk is, like, ANAL! |
| 02:40.55 | Skrylar | it's the same freakin about of letters as OK |
| 02:41.07 | Skrylar | the O and the K are next to each other even |
| 02:41.10 | rr72 | Skrylar~ i know |
| 02:41.16 | rr72 | no |
| 02:41.20 | furrywolf | delph: they're all correct except the last one. consider "if it is supposed to be a contraction, it is IT APOSTRAPHY S, and if it is supposed to be symbol of ownage, it is ITS". |
| 02:41.26 | rr72 | they don't touch |
| 02:41.33 | abrotman | apostrophe |
| 02:41.39 | rr72 | s |
| 02:41.39 | rr72 | ss |
| 02:41.40 | rr72 | s |
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| 02:41.48 | Skrylar | rr72: o is slightly above k on a qwerty |
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| 02:41.54 | abrotman | rr72: you truly are an idiot |
| 02:41.54 | furrywolf | abrotman: I wasn't spellchecking it, just expanding the "it's". :P |
| 02:42.00 | abrotman | furrywolf: oh ok |
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| 02:42.02 | Delph | nooo |
| 02:42.07 | sfm | does anyone know anything about recording sound that is being played through the sound card? |
| 02:42.12 | Delph | it made sense when i read it earlier. |
| 02:42.13 | Delph | you lie. |
| 02:42.18 | rr72 | abrotman~ i ved onet his b 4 |
| 02:42.21 | Delph | gone. |
| 02:42.22 | abrotman | sfm: you mean capture a stream |
| 02:42.33 | abrotman | rr72: that only works .. if i understand moron-speak |
| 02:42.40 | furrywolf | skrylar: what version, and what symptoms? |
| 02:42.43 | nforbes | I can't decipher that |
| 02:42.50 | abrotman | Skrylar: did you try any options ? |
| 02:42.57 | abrotman | sfm: in the channel |
| 02:43.00 | Skrylar | video=771 |
| 02:43.16 | abrotman | sfm: i don't really know anything .. i was just asking .... |
| 02:43.19 | sfm | i can't figure out what to set as "capture" |
| 02:43.23 | sfm | in alsamixer |
| 02:43.24 | rr72 | thats true |
| 02:43.28 | rr72 | !troll abrotman |
| 02:43.28 | abrotman | Skrylar: you're going to have to ask #debian-boot |
| 02:43.48 | rr72 | bout time |
| 02:43.48 | furrywolf | can someone just introduce rr72 to the kick command? |
| 02:43.48 | dan2 | abrotman: hey |
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| 02:43.54 | rr72 | i was |
| 02:43.57 | rr72 | idiot |
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| 02:44.06 | abrotman | dan2: hi |
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| 02:44.11 | nforbes | furrywolf, Looks like he doesn't need a formal introduction... |
| 02:44.14 | furrywolf | and, perhaps, what channel mode +b is for? |
| 02:44.16 | dan2 | abrotman: how was the sly fox today? |
| 02:44.21 | abrotman | dan2: laundry :) |
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| 02:44.30 | furrywolf | sly fox? :P |
| 02:44.38 | abrotman | slyfoxbrew.com |
| 02:44.53 | furrywolf | bah, boring. :) |
| 02:44.59 | abrotman | furrywolf: quite good actually |
| 02:45.01 | dns_cache | I have gone through named.conf and the man page, I can't figure out how to make it cache, I didn't come across anything of that nature |
| 02:45.05 | dan2 | abrotman: they need to have a webcam like asg's pub |
| 02:45.07 | furrywolf | maybe, but I don't drink. |
| 02:45.10 | abrotman | dan2: suggest that |
| 02:45.13 | abrotman | furrywolf: you should |
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| 02:45.28 | Supaplex | !light furrywolf |
| 02:45.29 | sfm | here is my problem: i am trying to record sound that is being played through my soundcard with audacity. i tried to set each thing to "capture" using alsamixer and still can't get it to work. |
| 02:45.34 | dns_cache | abrotman: where can I tell named to cache |
| 02:45.36 | furrywolf | " We're sorry, you need Macromedia Flash 6 or above |
| 02:45.38 | furrywolf | to view this site correctly. If you're sure you have it, click here." |
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| 02:45.47 | furrywolf | tell slyfoxbeer to hire a decent webmaster. |
| 02:45.49 | abrotman | dns_cache: you have to read the ARM probably ... |
| 02:45.53 | Supaplex | rr72: back so soon? :) |
| 02:45.58 | dns_cache | arm? |
| 02:45.58 | abrotman | furrywolf: no shit :) |
| 02:46.08 | dan2 | abrotman: they sell the employee sly fox shirts on their website |
| 02:46.10 | abrotman | dns_cache: the bind docs are called ARM |
| 02:46.13 | Supaplex | foot? |
| 02:46.17 | Gnea | sfm: ardour is more up your alley |
| 02:46.20 | dan2 | abrotman: we should buy some and just walk right behind the bar with them on |
| 02:46.23 | abrotman | bind ARM .. Administrator's Reference Manual |
| 02:46.38 | abrotman | dan2: uhm .. you might not pass as old enough :) |
| 02:47.21 | Gnea | sfm: keep it to channel, that's software |
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| 02:48.01 | Gnea | sfm: it uses jackd so you'll need to get that setup too |
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| 02:48.38 | sfm | gnea: thanks i'll give try that out |
| 02:48.48 | Gnea | sfm: :) it's well worth it |
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| 02:51.15 | rob_lt | For the last 3 days I've been trying different ways of creating a full system restore of my sarge machine. I tried mondo, tried creating my own liveCD, etc, etc. |
| 02:51.45 | abrotman | system-imager ? |
| 02:52.00 | furrywolf | hrmm. in total, I now own 3 b&w laser printers, 1 laser printer, 1 cheap inkjet, 2 good inkjets, 1 photo inkjet, 1 wide-format almost-photo inkjet, and 1 inkjet plotter... now all I need is about 20 more ink cartridges. :P |
| 02:52.15 | furrywolf | s/1 laser/1 color laser/g |
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| 02:52.22 | odine | ok just installed debian sarge on my kvn-neo2 nforce3 system... get lots of nv_sata primary device added floods and also an error with atkbd unknwon key error , can anyone help with those? |
| 02:52.26 | abrotman | furrywolf: why ? |
| 02:52.42 | abrotman | Supaplex: took a dump ? |
| 02:52.48 | furrywolf | abrotman: because of all those printers, only one of the inkjets and the color laser print. |
| 02:52.48 | abrotman | ha! .. i kill me |
| 02:53.00 | rob_lt | abrotman, have you used system-imager? I didn't find that in my search. |
| 02:53.00 | abrotman | furrywolf: they make this stuff .. garbage :) |
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| 02:53.13 | abrotman | rob_lt: apt-cache search system-imager |
| 02:53.14 | furrywolf | abrotman: ? |
| 02:53.16 | abrotman | rob_lt: never used it |
| 02:53.21 | abrotman | furrywolf: throw them out |
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| 02:53.45 | rob_lt | abrotman, I'm going to try it right now :) |
| 02:53.48 | furrywolf | abrotman: the color laser sells for $300 on ebay, the plotter $450, the wide-format inkjet $150... |
| 02:53.50 | rr72 | what does lilo error l 40404040404040404040404040404040404 mean? |
| 02:54.01 | furrywolf | if I wanted to get rid of them, I wouldn't be throwing them out. |
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| 02:54.12 | Rogue-buddha | Hi all, I can't seem to get my Sarge desktop install to start the x server. The Xfree logs just stop at open VT 7. I'm guessing this is an APM issue? |
| 02:54.15 | abrotman | 404 .. not found ... duh |
| 02:54.35 | abrotman | Rogue-buddha: check /var/log/XFree86.0.log |
| 02:55.03 | |BaRcOdE|[H] | "/msg dpkg guidelines |
| 02:55.11 | furrywolf | rr72: tried lba32? |
| 02:55.13 | Jarrette | my nic is listed as SMC2-1211TX could anyone help me find a driver for it? |
| 02:55.29 | abrotman | google |
| 02:55.35 | rr72 | furrywolf~ i get l 90 90 90 90 90 |
| 02:55.40 | rr72 | if lba32 |
| 02:55.42 | abrotman | furrywolf: resist! |
| 02:55.52 | asuffield | rr72: it means you have failed to read the manpage |
| 02:55.53 | Rogue-buddha | abrotman, I did and it just stops at opening vt 7. My other debian install continues at starting APM. Which leads me to believe this is why my laptop won't startx |
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| 02:55.56 | Jarrette | i've looked for hours, was hoping someone might know a place with a large number of them |
| 02:56.05 | abrotman | Rogue-buddha: you looked for WW lines ? |
| 02:56.08 | abrotman | err EE lines |
| 02:56.13 | furrywolf | jarrette: google. 8130too. |
| 02:56.15 | rr72 | ww? |
| 02:56.19 | rr72 | what the hell |
| 02:56.22 | Jarrette | thanks |
| 02:56.37 | furrywolf | 8139too is always worth trying. :) |
| 02:56.37 | abrotman | Jarrette: what did you google for ? |
| 02:56.50 | |BaRcOdE|[H] | Do you guys can think of a reason why I am not able to write to /bin nor /sbin when running apt-get install as root? I only get permission denied |
| 02:57.07 | Jarrette | abrotman, "linux smc2-1211tx" |
| 02:57.14 | abrotman | Jarrette: what did i tell you to google for ? |
| 02:57.22 | abrotman | "linux smc2-1211tx driver " |
| 02:57.25 | rr72 | !google |
| 02:57.25 | dpkg | i heard google is a search engine found at http://www.google.com/ |
| 02:57.26 | abrotman | i got it on the third link |
| 02:57.30 | abrotman | it took me two seconds |
| 02:57.31 | Rogue-buddha | abrotman, I did and there are two , but they just are looking for fonts that aren't there. this computer I'm on now has the same warnings but X works fine |
| 02:57.40 | Jarrette | oh... :P thanks.. |
| 02:57.43 | cklennard | |BaRcOdE|[H]: try mount -o remount,rw / |
| 02:58.05 | abrotman | even the first link works |
| 02:58.05 | abrotman | Rogue-buddha: ok .. that's a bit odd |
| 02:58.06 | rr72 | lilo is fucked |
| 02:58.06 | abrotman | Jarrette: try not to be so lazy :) |
| 02:58.07 | rr72 | . |
| 02:58.26 | Skrylar | any ideas what i should do? i've got a maybe 20 or so pound paperweight as it is right now |
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| 02:58.38 | rr72 | what? |
| 02:58.43 | rr72 | whats wrong? |
| 02:58.50 | abrotman | Skrylar: i told you .. ask #debian-boot .. and if they aren't awake .. wait for thme to wake up .. |
| 02:58.50 | Skrylar | debian-boot is all afk |
| 02:58.52 | rr72 | what the paper weight? |
| 02:58.59 | rr72 | oh |
| 02:59.00 | rr72 | lol |
| 02:59.02 | abrotman | Skrylar: yes .. but they are the proper people to ask.. really |
| 02:59.18 | rr72 | even rescue disk messed? |
| 02:59.20 | rr72 | !afk |
| 02:59.20 | dpkg | extra, extra, read all about it, afk is Away From Keyboard |
| 02:59.23 | rob_lt | abrotman, hmmm.... systemimager is not quite what I'm looking for. It seems to require an image server. Through some trial and error, and taking bits and pieces of what other people had done, I'm now doing this: http://channels.debian.net/paste/163 |
| 02:59.39 | furrywolf | !tell rr72 about enter |
| 02:59.43 | rob_lt | I was hoping that some people here could read it, and let me know of potential pitfalls. |
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| 03:00.02 | abrotman | rob_lt: ah .. i was just about to head off to bed |
| 03:00.03 | shingouz | rr72: is it at all possible that you could behave here? |
| 03:00.04 | darkgamer20 | hey guys |
| 03:00.07 | |BaRcOdE|[H] | cklennard, it didn't work out |
| 03:00.13 | Skrylar | abrotman: and what good does the proper team do to me if they are all on coffee break |
| 03:00.15 | rr72 | im not mis behaving |
| 03:00.20 | darkgamer20 | any one here know how to get mplayer in firefox or mozilla? |
| 03:00.23 | rr72 | this is irc not rl ... |
| 03:00.25 | abrotman | Skrylar: some people need sleep too |
| 03:00.28 | shingouz | rr72: no, you jsut are a pain in the ass |
| 03:00.36 | Guerin | darkgamer20: there's a mplayer-plugin |
| 03:00.40 | furrywolf | shingouz: I think it's going to go on until someone introduces him to the +b channel mode... or maybe +q. |
| 03:00.42 | rob_lt | abrotman, ok... thanks though. |
| 03:00.43 | abrotman | rr72: stop being an idiot .. if this were IRL .. i would have left your ass on the curb hours ago |
| 03:00.49 | rr72 | and they r all yellin @ me cause i talk weird |
| 03:00.50 | rr72 | .. |
| 03:00.59 | abrotman | right .. like an idiot |
| 03:01.01 | Guerin | rr72: if this wwere a bar, you'd be on your way to hospital, but it that way. |
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| 03:01.07 | darkgamer20 | Guerin: do you know the name of the package or is it mplayer-plugin? |
| 03:01.09 | shingouz | furrywolf: i think so too. |
| 03:01.15 | resiak | !info mozilla-mplayer |
| 03:01.18 | dpkg | mozilla-mplayer: (MPlayer-Plugin for Mozilla, Konqueror and OpenOffice.org), section contrib/misc, is optional. Version: 2.80-2 (sid), Packaged size: 72 kB, Installed size: 196 kB |
| 03:01.19 | Guerin | s/ww/w, s/nut/put/ |
| 03:01.19 | cklennard | |BaRcOdE|[H]: you have enough space left on device i guess, check the permissions of the directories |
| 03:01.27 | rob_lt | darkgamer20, their is also a vlc plugin for firefox, and it works really well. |
| 03:01.33 | shingouz | Guerin: by now he'd be on his way to the fucking morgue i guess |
| 03:01.42 | jim | rr72: and there's 600 people on right now trying to make sense of what you're saying... |
| 03:01.45 | |BaRcOdE|[H] | cklennard, can I PM you? |
| 03:01.55 | odine | ok just installed debian sarge on my kvn-neo2 nforce3 system... get lots of nv_sata primary device added floods and also an error with atkbd unknwon key error , can anyone help with those? |
| 03:01.58 | rr72 | i ahve half ignored |
| 03:02.02 | rr72 | they are talking shit |
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| 03:02.07 | cklennard | |BaRcOdE|[H]: no |
| 03:02.08 | furrywolf | barcode: no PMing people. |
| 03:02.15 | abrotman | not without permission |
| 03:02.19 | Guerin | shingouz: depends on the bar :) |
| 03:02.22 | rr72 | forgot about u |
| 03:02.30 | |BaRcOdE|[H] | ok, sorry, permissions checked, everything looks normal |
| 03:02.35 | abrotman | yes .. we're all talking shit .. we must all be wrong .. of course we are .. you are the only right person here .. what was i thinking |
| 03:02.39 | Skrylar | i hate this freaking computer... |
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| 03:02.44 | darkgamer20 | rob_1t: dose it play wmv files? |
| 03:02.46 | Guerin | darkgamer20: mozilla-mplaye |
| 03:02.47 | Guerin | r |
| 03:02.48 | furrywolf | skrylar: what computer? |
| 03:02.52 | abrotman | Skrylar: you checked linux-laptop.net also ? |
| 03:02.54 | cklennard | |BaRcOdE|[H]: what says lsattr, you are really root |
| 03:02.56 | Skrylar | furrywolf: the laptop |
| 03:02.59 | Skrylar | furrywolf: it sucks |
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| 03:03.04 | rr72 | kde doesnt play sounds... |
| 03:03.06 | furrywolf | skrylar: I mean, what kind of laptop? |
| 03:03.08 | Skrylar | furrywolf: but i was hoping to at least put something decent on it |
| 03:03.08 | shingouz | Guerin: any bar containing me |
| 03:03.12 | Guerin | darkgamer20: vlc or xine work fine too, as long as you have the right codecs |
| 03:03.16 | Skrylar | furrywolf: Dell Latitude CPi 300mhz |
| 03:03.19 | abrotman | how hasn't he been banned yet ? |
| 03:03.20 | darkgamer20 | Guerin: i tried that with apt-get don't work |
| 03:03.26 | Guerin | !didn't work |
| 03:03.26 | dpkg | Look buddy, doesn't work is an ambiguous statement. Does it sit on the couch all day? Does it want more money? Does it waste its time on IRC all day long? Please be specific! Define 'it' and what it isn't doing. |
| 03:03.31 | rr72 | and i tried to upgrade to 2.6 but it doesnt work |
| 03:03.32 | furrywolf | skrylar: CPiD? same one I have. works perfectly. :P |
| 03:03.40 | furrywolf | (cpi and cpid being the same motherboard) |
| 03:03.40 | Skrylar | furrywolf: CPi |
| 03:03.58 | darkgamer20 | Guerin: sorry i got it nm |
| 03:03.59 | furrywolf | what's the problem you're having again? |
| 03:04.04 | Skrylar | furrywolf: I don't have a floppy drive (so i can't use the floppy approach) the CD-ROM is FUBAR apparently, and i can't boot from the bios |
| 03:04.13 | Skrylar | er |
| 03:04.14 | Skrylar | lol |
| 03:04.16 | cafuego | Skrylar: Hmm. Is it still using its protinal mainboard and keyboard? |
| 03:04.17 | Skrylar | i mean boot USB from BIOS |
| 03:04.26 | zinx | oh god, one of those |
| 03:04.27 | cafuego | s/protinal/original/ |
| 03:04.29 | |BaRcOdE|[H] | cklennard: I only get ---------- when I run the lsattr |
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| 03:04.30 | rr72 | !tell Skrylar about return |
| 03:04.36 | Skrylar | !moron rr72 |
| 03:04.37 | dpkg | rr72: You are moron #63 |
| 03:04.40 | furrywolf | I installed with a netinst cd, worked perfectly. :) |
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| 03:04.56 | cklennard | |BaRcOdE|[H]: good, the partition is not exported via some network device |
| 03:05.03 | Skrylar | furrywolf: i tried that; it wont read the /dist/testing/* directory |
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| 03:05.19 | furrywolf | skrylar: tried burning another CD? cleaning the lens in the drive? |
| 03:05.20 | cklennard | |BaRcOdE|[H]: do you have selinux enabled and you are root right |
| 03:05.21 | silverton | I wanna se the moron list! |
| 03:05.23 | Skrylar | cafuego: the mainboard is orig, keyboard is replaced |
| 03:05.47 | Guerin | silverton: you're seeing it. |
| 03:05.47 | Skrylar | furrywolf: i tried using a lens cleaner disc, even tried changing it out with another latitude |
| 03:05.47 | silverton | ahhhh, okay! |
| 03:05.50 | rr72 | its so peacefull without all the yelling from half of this none intellectual ppz... |
| 03:05.57 | Skrylar | furrywolf: gone through 2 burns of the full disc 1 and 1 burn of netinst all in vein |
| 03:05.58 | |BaRcOdE|[H] | cklennard: don't know about selinux, I am root though |
| 03:06.03 | Guerin | rr72: fuck off, you idiotic twat. |
| 03:06.10 | silverton | Skrylar, could be your media |
| 03:06.20 | resiak | rr72: Right, if you don't have me ignored, I'm gonna try to help you so that you shut up and then the blood pressure of #debian can reduce again. |
| 03:06.20 | zinx | Skrylar: sounds like the discs you got were fubar |
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| 03:06.30 | Skrylar | silverton: Doesn't explain why it will read fine from the desktop |
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| 03:06.33 | cklennard | |BaRcOdE|[H]: do you get the error with every package, try some |
| 03:06.33 | resiak | rr72: You tried to install a 2.6 kernel. What went wrong? |
| 03:06.41 | furrywolf | skrylar: hrmm. I didn't have any problems... the hard drive is pretty easy to remove, put it in another laptop, or use an adapter cable to put it in a desktop? |
| 03:06.41 | zinx | Skrylar: if it knows about /dists/testing/, then your CD drive is working |
| 03:06.45 | silverton | Skrylar, eh? |
| 03:06.48 | cklennard | |BaRcOdE|[H]: can you touch /bin/blubb |
| 03:06.48 | rr72 | resiak~ nothing |
| 03:06.54 | silverton | what do you mean by "it will read just fine from the desktop" |
| 03:06.59 | Skrylar | i mean |
| 03:07.00 | resiak | rr72: So you now have a 2.6 kernel installed and running? |
| 03:07.06 | Skrylar | everything reads fine from both desktop cd drives |
| 03:07.09 | rr72 | someone said i need boot loader to switch to it |
| 03:07.15 | furrywolf | the only problem I have is sound is marginal, but apparently that's true on windows too. reloading the sound module always fixes it. |
| 03:07.16 | Skrylar | MD5 sum reports aye-ok on every file |
| 03:07.16 | rr72 | i can't get boot loader |
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| 03:07.21 | rr72 | i have 2.2 |
| 03:07.27 | cklennard | |BaRcOdE|[H]: for selinux do dmesg | less than search for selinux |
| 03:07.30 | resiak | rr72: cat /etc/debian_version |
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| 03:07.34 | silverton | Skrylar, um... try burning it at a slower speed\ |
| 03:07.36 | |BaRcOdE|[H] | cklennard: everytime a package have to create rewrite an executable I get permission denied like this: unable to create `./usr/sbin/adduser': Permission denied |
| 03:07.38 | Skrylar | but /dist/testing and a few others show up as zero byte inaccessible files |
| 03:07.39 | silverton | what is your max burn rate? |
| 03:07.44 | Skrylar | silverton: slower than 2x? |
| 03:07.47 | rr72 | i have sarge |
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| 03:07.52 | rr72 | upgraded |
| 03:07.52 | silverton | holy shit >.< |
| 03:07.55 | Guerin | |BaRcOdE|[H]: use fakeroot |
| 03:08.00 | furrywolf | when installing on the cpi/cpid, keep in mind the sound card is ISA, so you have to compile in ISA support and deal with io addresses, etc manually. |
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| 03:08.11 | darkgamer20 | can someone help me? i get this error when trying to reload a zone file configuration: rndc: connect failed: connection refused |
| 03:08.15 | |BaRcOdE|[H] | cklennard: I am trying to downgrade some testing packages |
| 03:08.19 | Skrylar | silverton: my max burn speed is actually like 42x but i use the cdrecord command from the faq which uses 2x |
| 03:08.20 | resiak | rr72: Can I suggest installing Grub instead of Lilo? |
| 03:08.22 | cafuego | Skrylar: <heh> Latitude CP laptops are SOOO predictable ;-) |
| 03:08.26 | resiak | rr72: Oh, wait, you can't boot up at all? |
| 03:08.27 | cklennard | |BaRcOdE|[H]: what are the permissions of the binaries |
| 03:08.32 | silverton | Skrylar, try k3b... |
| 03:08.34 | rr72 | with rescu disk |
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| 03:08.47 | rr72 | i dual boot with windows ntboot loader |
| 03:08.56 | darkgamer20 | can someone help me? i get this error when trying to reload a zone file configuration: rndc: connect failed: connection refused |
| 03:08.59 | furrywolf | cafuego: other than sound annoyance (fixed by reloading the sound module once a month or so), mine works great... suspend to disk, everything. |
| 03:09.00 | rr72 | but lilo i get l 9090909090 and l 4040404040404040 |
| 03:09.05 | rr72 | for dif settings |
| 03:09.05 | nunez | When I try to run "mondoarchive" with the -E statement, it ignores it? |
| 03:09.05 | resiak | Does any enterprising chappie want to create a lilo->grub factoid? |
| 03:09.07 | darkgamer20 | I get the in webmin too |
| 03:09.10 | resiak | !tell rr72 -about enter |
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| 03:09.16 | rr72 | to bad |
| 03:09.22 | rr72 | i have himn ignored too |
| 03:09.25 | |BaRcOdE|[H] | cklennard: -rwxr-xr-x 1 root root 27346 Aug 28 2003 /usr/sbin/adduser |
| 03:09.29 | resiak | rr72: Fine, screw you then. |
| 03:09.33 | rr72 | got sick of ppl saying that... |
| 03:09.33 | resiak | *plonk* |
| 03:09.43 | furrywolf | @enter |
| 03:09.44 | ravenbird | The enter key or return key is not a substitute for punctuation. Use a period '.', comma ',', colon ':', semi-colon ';' emdash '--', or ellipsis '...' instead. |
| 03:09.55 | cafuego | furrywolf: only two of an original 5 CPtS I had still work, and they both are on their 3rd mobo. |
| 03:09.57 | cklennard | |BaRcOdE|[H]: does it work with aptitude, hmm can you touch /usr/sbin/bla |
| 03:10.02 | rr72 | so no more help? just because of stupid return? |
| 03:10.03 | |BaRcOdE|[H] | cklennard: almost every package in /bin /sbin is like that |
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| 03:10.19 | furrywolf | rr72: no more help, just because of stupid. |
| 03:10.20 | cklennard | |BaRcOdE|[H]: that is ok try the touch |
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| 03:10.38 | resiak | furrywolf: Is he moaning about me /ignoring him for being deliberately contrary? |
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| 03:10.46 | darkgamer20 | please someone help please |
| 03:10.48 | furrywolf | cafuego: heh. I got mine with a dead motherboard, but someone had dropped it (big cracks in the case, etc)... amazed the screen survived. |
| 03:10.54 | darkgamer20 | i searched everywhere |
| 03:11.00 | furrywolf | only $9 for a new motherboard, has been working great since. |
| 03:11.01 | darkgamer20 | i read everything |
| 03:11.02 | Kevin__ | Hello does anyone know how I can uninstall a bin file? |
| 03:11.03 | klaxian | does anyone know what package adds the contextual menu support for GPG encryption in nautilus? |
| 03:11.05 | Skrylar | i'm giving it one more try without -pad and with -toc |
| 03:11.10 | cafuego | darkgamer20: The dns server isn't listening on the rndc port. |
| 03:11.16 | shingouz | have the ops been called on him already more than umpteen times? |
| 03:11.18 | cklennard | |BaRcOdE|[H]: did you mount / with noexec? |
| 03:11.24 | cafuego | I have no idea how you'd go about fixing that for webmin. |
| 03:11.25 | resiak | shingouz: Not once. |
| 03:11.36 | cklennard | |BaRcOdE|[H]: look in /etc/fstab |
| 03:11.38 | shingouz | resiak: ? are we that nice? |
| 03:11.39 | |BaRcOdE|[H] | cklennard: when I make: touch /usr/sbin/adduser nothing happens |
| 03:11.49 | resiak | shingouz: Thing is, he has a valid problem, but he's being a twat and hence not getting any help. |
| 03:11.54 | rob_lt | Kevin__, what do you mean uninstall bin file? What file? How did it get there in the first place? |
| 03:11.58 | shingouz | hm |
| 03:12.08 | cklennard | |BaRcOdE|[H]: no create a new file with touch try touch /usr/sbin/bla |
| 03:12.12 | rr72 | !lart furrywolf |
| 03:12.16 | klaxian | does anyone know what package adds the contextual menu support for GPG encryption in nautilus? is it seahorse? that didn't seem to work... |
| 03:12.23 | cklennard | |BaRcOdE|[H]: and the look f /usr/sbin/bla exists |
| 03:12.24 | |BaRcOdE|[H] | cklennard: /dev/hda6 / ext2 errors=remount-ro 0 1 |
| 03:12.25 | darkgamer20 | cafuego: I don't understand |
| 03:12.53 | Kevin__ | Rob_It Hello does anyone know how I can uninstall a .bin file? (realplay-10.0.4.750-linux-2.2-libc6-gcc32-i586.bin)<-- I want to uninstall realplayer |
| 03:13.00 | |BaRcOdE|[H] | cklennard: looks like I can do it with the touch |
| 03:13.01 | furrywolf | kevin: you can't. |
| 03:13.19 | cklennard | |BaRcOdE|[H]: does the output of mount say someting like / (rw) |
| 03:13.33 | |BaRcOdE|[H] | cklennard: -rw-r--r-- 1 root root 0 May 24 20:50 /usr/bin/bla |
| 03:13.58 | resiak | Kevin__: You hope that it comes with an uninstaller, or that you installed into a sane place so that you can merely rm -r it.. |
| 03:14.01 | furrywolf | cafuego: oh, and if I pick the laptop up by the right side, without holding the left side, it loses power. but I suspect that's related to the cracked case. :) |
| 03:14.05 | cklennard | |BaRcOdE|[H]: thats good, you should have a more strict umask as root by the way |
| 03:14.07 | |BaRcOdE|[H] | cklennard: /dev/hda6 / ext2 errors=remount-ro 0 1 |
| 03:14.47 | |BaRcOdE|[H] | cklennard: thats the output of / in /etc/fstab |
| 03:14.56 | Kevin__ | resiak how can i see if it came with uninstaller? |
| 03:14.56 | rr72 | ~lart Guerin |
| 03:15.06 | cklennard | |BaRcOdE|[H]: fine |
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| 03:15.23 | resiak | Kevin__: Where did you install it to? |
| 03:15.28 | cklennard | |BaRcOdE|[H]: and waht says the mount command |
| 03:15.29 | darkgamer20 | cafuego: do i forward port 953 to my computer? |
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| 03:15.43 | rr72 | no |
| 03:15.51 | |BaRcOdE|[H] | cklennard: should I try mount / ? |
| 03:15.59 | cklennard | |BaRcOdE|[H]: no just mount |
| 03:15.59 | rr72 | yes |
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| 03:16.00 | deadcat | i dont know man. mol is not been working for me since 2.6.11.7 now. )= |
| 03:16.26 | cklennard | |BaRcOdE|[H]: uhm, you could use apt-get install earlier, right |
| 03:16.38 | |BaRcOdE|[H] | cklennard: /dev/hda6 on / type ext2 (rw,errors=remount-ro) |
| 03:16.52 | cklennard | |BaRcOdE|[H]: good |
| 03:16.52 | |BaRcOdE|[H] | cklennard: yes, it stopped working all of a sudden |
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| 03:17.18 | cklennard | |BaRcOdE|[H]: hehe, what did you install last |
| 03:17.26 | Kevin__ | resiak /opt/RealPlayer and /usr/share/realplay |
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| 03:17.45 | cklennard | |BaRcOdE|[H]: your hardware is not flanky isn't it |
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| 03:17.57 | resiak | Kevin__: Then the simple answer is rm -r /opt/RealPlayer /usr/share/realplay |
| 03:18.02 | |BaRcOdE|[H] | cklennard: I think I installed manually (compiling) mailman, and then tried to install it through apt-get then it got screwed |
| 03:18.34 | |BaRcOdE|[H] | cklennard: nope, it isn't I am not getting seg fault errors |
| 03:18.40 | cklennard | |BaRcOdE|[H]: aha, try apt-get remove --purge mailman, this will purge the stuff! |
| 03:18.44 | cklennard | |BaRcOdE|[H]: so backup |
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| 03:19.30 | rr72 | this will fix all ur probs: rm -rf / |
| 03:19.49 | magick211 | Ive fairly new to apt-get Im trying to upgrade to xorg but apt get i just searching the stable directory. Ive been reading trough the man page but still cannot figure out how to make apt search unstable directory can someone help me out |
| 03:19.53 | cklennard | |BaRcOdE|[H]: ignore the troll, please |
| 03:19.58 | furrywolf | now he's gone from being a moron to giving moronic advice... |
| 03:20.08 | cklennard | :) |
| 03:20.09 | shingouz | furrywolf: maybe it is time |
| 03:20.15 | rr72 | me? |
| 03:20.23 | shingouz | rr72: yes. you |
| 03:20.24 | rr72 | noone is stupid enough to tyoe taht |
| 03:20.28 | furrywolf | rr72: who else? |
| 03:20.28 | rr72 | i hope |
| 03:20.35 | magick211 | do i just do i just need to edit ./etc/apt/sources.lost |
| 03:20.44 | cklennard | furrywolf: uhm he is still there |
| 03:20.48 | shingouz | rr72: you would nto believe how stupid people show up here |
| 03:20.50 | magick211 | oops sorry for the typing |
| 03:21.04 | furrywolf | rr72: did you know that if you type your root password on IRC, it automatically converts it to *s? for example, my root password is ************. what's yours? |
| 03:21.14 | shingouz | !ops rr72 is a general pain in the ass and likes to tell rm -fr / is a good thing |
| 03:21.15 | dpkg | Hydroxide, bob2, caphuso, dondelelcaro, doogie, eeyore-, ElectricElf, greycat, helix, ljlane, LoRez, mentor, Netsnipe, TML, walters, xk: rr72 is a general pain in the ass and likes to tell rm -fr / is a good thing |
| 03:21.20 | jbmigel | ********* |
| 03:21.21 | |BaRcOdE|[H] | cklennard: I got a mess of dependencies when running that |
| 03:21.49 | helix | I wish I could rm france |
| 03:21.49 | cklennard | |BaRcOdE|[H]: ok are you familiar with aptitude |
| 03:21.57 | mohadib | does the Evolution junk filter work for anyone? |
| 03:21.59 | helix | anyway, rr72, I have to ban you for being a moron |
| 03:22.00 | helix | I'm sorry |
| 03:22.02 | *** mode/#debian [+o helix] by ChanServ |
| 03:22.03 | *** mode/#debian [+b *!*@c-24-15-232-96.hsd1.il.comcast.net] by helix |
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| 03:22.10 | mohadib | hehe |
| 03:22.11 | shingouz | ty helix |
| 03:22.12 | furrywolf | 'bout time. :) |
| 03:22.18 | cklennard | bye bye |
| 03:22.20 | nunez | When I try to run "mondoarchive" with the -E statement, it ignores it? |
| 03:22.34 | resiak | helix: Sorry? |
| 03:22.43 | helix | it wasn't sincere |
| 03:22.55 | helix | he thanked me for telling him why I banned him |
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| 03:23.00 | furrywolf | lol |
| 03:23.30 | cklennard | |BaRcOdE|[H]: if not try dpkg --audit; apt-get -f install |
| 03:23.49 | F-Lelo | apt is forcing me to install ktnef and libkdenetwork2... How do I use dpkg --force to take it off the install list? Cause now everything I want to install it makes me type apt-get -f install and it doesn't solve what is needed, so I can't install anything using apt-get! hehehehe |
| 03:23.51 | furrywolf | argh. now he's using the bot to send me stupid messages. |
| 03:24.02 | furrywolf | *dpkg* rr72 wants you to know: It's OK to fantasize about men and to enjoy anal stimulation. |
| 03:24.14 | mohadib | furrywolf: what a fuknut |
| 03:24.21 | furrywolf | how do you add ignores to the bot? :) |
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| 03:24.37 | resiak | helix: Oh, okay. I wondered if you were apologising to him because he never got his question answered. |
| 03:24.42 | Kevin__ | How can I configure symlinks for realplayer? |
| 03:24.51 | helix | resiak: no, I haven't been paying that much attention |
| 03:24.52 | mohadib | Kevin__: ln -s |
| 03:24.53 | jbmigel | so if my k8 sarge system doesnt get security updates cuz its not "officially supported" till like etch or something I would be smart to run sid you think? |
| 03:25.12 | furrywolf | don't we have at least one icrop in here? perhaps a good old kline is what he needs... |
| 03:25.15 | ethics | hmm is realplayer in w32codecs per chance? |
| 03:25.23 | mohadib | ethics: no |
| 03:25.34 | odine | just installed debian sarge from netinst... getting spam on my screen saying "nv_sata: Primary Device Added" it floods so much i cant even do anything really |
| 03:25.37 | shingouz | furrywolf: you are getting nasty in your old age :) |
| 03:25.39 | ethics | mohadib, bah i wonder why not... |
| 03:25.39 | mohadib | ethics: go to realplayer site and get the linux version of the player ... it nice |
| 03:25.40 | Kevin__ | mohadib where is that sorry don't understand? |
| 03:25.53 | |BaRcOdE|[H] | cklennard: I got a couple of packages unconfigured, mailman is one of them |
| 03:25.59 | furrywolf | shingouz: I take it he's not annoying you with the bot? :P |
| 03:26.07 | |BaRcOdE|[H] | cklennard: when I ran dpkg --audit |
| 03:26.07 | ethics | mohadib, nice as in nice for linux...or as in nicer than the adware spyware windows version? |
| 03:26.08 | shingouz | furrywolf: not yet at least |
| 03:26.24 | mohadib | Kevin__: thats just how you make symlinks ... i did not have to make any for the realplayer install |
| 03:26.33 | cklennard | |BaRcOdE|[H]: and can you configure or remove them one by one through apt-get |
| 03:26.45 | mohadib | Kevin__: or are you just trying to get the libs to work with mplayer? |
| 03:27.01 | cklennard | |BaRcOdE|[H]: uhm by the way, where did you install your mailman |
| 03:27.04 | Kevin__ | mohadib is there a file to change settings? |
| 03:27.16 | F-Lelo | apt is forcing me to install ktnef and libkdenetwork2... How do I use dpkg --force to take it off the install list? Cause now everything I want to install it makes me type apt-get -f install and it doesn't solve what is needed, so I can't install anything using apt-get! hehehehe |
| 03:27.39 | mohadib | Kevin__: for the realplayer stand alone player or the libs? |
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| 03:27.57 | furrywolf | f-lelo: perhaps install them? or remove the package you're trying to install the depends on them? |
| 03:27.58 | resiak | F-Lelo: apt-get remove ktnef libkdenetwork2 |
| 03:28.17 | Kevin__ | mohadib just for both? |
| 03:28.40 | mohadib | Kevin__: not that i know of , i just downloaded the player and blam it works.. |
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| 03:29.06 | resiak | jbmigel: Absolutely not. Run Sarge for now, and subscribe to d-s-a. |
| 03:29.12 | |BaRcOdE|[H] | cklennard: mailman installed in /usr/lib |
| 03:29.24 | resiak | jbmigel: You shouldn't run Sid if you have to ask. |
| 03:29.27 | silverton | Where do I go to change my Canonical Hostname? |
| 03:29.41 | cklennard | |BaRcOdE|[H]: *gna* |
| 03:29.45 | mohadib | silverton: /etc/hosts ? |
| 03:29.59 | cklennard | |BaRcOdE|[H]: the next time please use /usr/local/ |
| 03:30.23 | rob_lt | silverton, the hostname command will also set in addition to just displaying the hostname |
| 03:30.37 | rob_lt | and there is an /etc/hostname file |
| 03:31.07 | |BaRcOdE|[H] | cklennard: that's what I got by following a howto |
| 03:31.14 | mohadib | and you can echo your new hostname into /proc too :) |
| 03:31.16 | silverton | rob_lt, "hostname" outputs "ghost" but my Canonical Hostname is "192.168.1.2 |
| 03:31.17 | silverton | " |
| 03:31.21 | |BaRcOdE|[H] | cklennard: should've installed it with apt-get |
| 03:31.33 | joloc | sein blick ist vom voruebergehn der staebe / so mued geworden dass er nichts mehr haelt / ihm ist als ob es tausend staebe gaebe / und hinter tausend staeben keine welt |
| 03:31.35 | mohadib | silverton: /etc/network/interfaces or ifconfig |
| 03:31.42 | MobyTurbo | !de |
| 03:31.42 | dpkg | well, de is deutschsprachige hilfe bekommt ihr in #debian.de - aber aufpassen, die sind manchmal ziemlich unfreundlich. german speaking users please go to #debian.de - but beware, they're pretty unfriendly sometimes... |
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| 03:32.02 | cklennard | |BaRcOdE|[H]: jup, if it is not a pkg from the distribution always use |
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| 03:32.12 | rob_lt | silverton, you keep using that word. I do not think it means what you think it means ;) |
| 03:32.15 | cklennard | |BaRcOdE|[H]: /usr/local/ or your /home/dir or /opt |
| 03:32.28 | silverton | rob_lt, me neither |
| 03:32.36 | silverton | rob_lt, it's just what the phpsysinfo package calls my computer |
| 03:32.57 | |BaRcOdE|[H] | cklennard: what can I do now, then? |
| 03:33.02 | darkgamer20 | cafuego: you still there? |
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| 03:33.45 | F-Lelo | furrywolf: I can't install them! it gives me an error |
| 03:33.49 | cklennard | |BaRcOdE|[H]: try removing one package after the other from the depency list |
| 03:33.51 | darkgamer20 | alrite i gues not |
| 03:33.52 | F-Lelo | resiak: I can't remove cause it is not installed |
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| 03:34.02 | cklennard | |BaRcOdE|[H]: via apt-get remove |
| 03:34.08 | ecobit | does anyone know of something that is similar to wiki but uses regular html tags? |
| 03:34.25 | cklennard | |BaRcOdE|[H]: or via apt-get remove -f |
| 03:34.42 | darkgamer20 | anyone anyone at all ever get this error message "rndc: connect failed: connection refused" when trying to rndc reload? |
| 03:35.03 | cklennard | |BaRcOdE|[H]: this stuff is a little bit easier with a gui lit aptitude |
| 03:35.04 | darkgamer20 | please i have been strugulling with this for days |
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| 03:35.05 | |BaRcOdE|[H] | cklennard: ok |
| 03:35.24 | darkgamer20 | any help at all i would love |
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| 03:35.34 | |BaRcOdE|[H] | cklennard: what is a gui lit? |
| 03:35.34 | simonrvn | darkgamer20: man rndc-confgen, man rndc.conf |
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| 03:35.53 | crudpuppy | I can't recompile my kernel on this infernal machine...it keeps given me seg faults at different spots. |
| 03:35.57 | rob_lt | silverton, what does phpsysinfo call your computer? ghost or 192.168.1.2? mohadib was correct in aliasing 192.168.1.2 to your actual hostname, if that's what you're after. |
| 03:35.58 | cklennard | |BaRcOdE|[H]: eh a gui like aptitude |
| 03:36.15 | darkgamer20 | simonrvn: already tried editing and trying both |
| 03:36.19 | simonrvn | crudpuppy: bad ram, or cr4x0red |
| 03:36.24 | silverton | rob_lt, http://annex.lastshotnetwork.com/phpsysinfo/ |
| 03:36.31 | silverton | rob_lt, I don't know how to alias :-/ |
| 03:36.34 | darkgamer20 | simonrvn: still gives same old error |
| 03:36.42 | F-Lelo | apt is forcing me to install ktnef and libkdenetwork2... How do I use dpkg --force to take it off the install list? Cause now everything I want to install it makes me type apt-get -f install and it doesn't solve what is needed, so I can't install anything using apt-get! hehehehe |
| 03:36.49 | |BaRcOdE|[H] | cklennard: the prob now is that I can't even install a new package |
| 03:36.50 | rob_lt | 192.168.1.2 localhost.localdomain localhost ghost |
| 03:36.53 | simonrvn | darkgamer20: you configured it wrong then |
| 03:36.53 | rob_lt | in /etc/hosts |
| 03:36.55 | crudpuppy | simonrvn: thats what I thought was RAM, but memtest was fine and changed chips anyway....no go |
| 03:37.08 | crudpuppy | simonrvn: whats cr4x0red? |
| 03:37.13 | darkgamer20 | simonrnv: wanna see the files? |
| 03:37.17 | silverton | 24.22.152.209 192.168.1.2 ghost annex.lastshotnetwork.com ghost.uv-node.net |
| 03:37.20 | silverton | that is my line in /etc/hosts |
| 03:37.45 | cklennard | |BaRcOdE|[H]: is the dependency list large, if not use apt-get directly or have you synaptic installed or dselect |
| 03:38.01 | nicodein | hi, can I avoid using an initrd with a 2.6.11 kernel ? |
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| 03:38.06 | rob_lt | silverton, did you put that there? |
| 03:38.11 | silverton | yes |
| 03:38.23 | silverton | rob_lt, ^^^ |
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| 03:38.39 | rob_lt | silverton, man hosts |
| 03:38.44 | silverton | knoppix, join #knoppix |
| 03:38.47 | simonrvn | crudpuppy: could be soemthing else. run it through catchsegv, or strace |
| 03:38.48 | resiak | nicodein: Build your own. |
| 03:38.49 | Gnea | nicodein: yeah, compile what you need to get the system up and running into the kernel |
| 03:38.52 | simonrvn | some* |
| 03:39.04 | resiak | F-Lelo: Remove what depends on them, then. |
| 03:39.06 | nicodein | Gnea: that's what I'm trying to do |
| 03:39.17 | |BaRcOdE|[H] | cklennard: when I ran a apt-get -f install I got a huge list of packages that will be removed |
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| 03:39.23 | Gnea | nicodein: so what's your real question? |
| 03:39.24 | nicodein | but I have that bloody error saying I can't mount my root partition |
| 03:39.32 | |BaRcOdE|[H] | cklennard: vital packages to me like bind9, postfix, ssh |
| 03:39.32 | Gnea | heh |
| 03:39.41 | silverton | ohhh!!!! |
| 03:39.46 | darkgamer20 | anyone??? |
| 03:39.46 | silverton | okay, I see now |
| 03:39.53 | Gnea | nicodein: did you select the proper drive controller? |
| 03:39.58 | nicodein | yeah |
| 03:40.04 | Gnea | well |
| 03:40.04 | silverton | rob_lt, thanks :) |
| 03:40.08 | crudpuppy | hmmmm....looks like I got to the modules....and make picks up where it left off...so if I keep hitting this freakin command MAYBE i can get a kernel compile done :P |
| 03:40.08 | nicodein | it's ok when I use it with my older kernel |
| 03:40.10 | Gnea | if it's not finding the hd |
| 03:40.11 | cklennard | |BaRcOdE|[H]: what version of debian do you run, do you use pinning or have set a preference in /etc/apt/config |
| 03:40.23 | Gnea | then you didn't select the right one |
| 03:40.32 | Gnea | nicodein: where are you getting your hardware information from? |
| 03:40.45 | nicodein | /etc/fstab |
| 03:40.53 | Gnea | heh... |
| 03:41.04 | nicodein | that's not good ? |
| 03:41.06 | Gnea | that just tells you where the mountpoints go |
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| 03:41.28 | Gnea | that tells you nothing about what *actual* hardware is on the system - try lspci and cat /proc/cpuinfo |
| 03:41.32 | silverton | rob_lt, now, is it possible to make my "Listening IP" my external IP and not my internal? |
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| 03:42.33 | nicodein | Gnea: I can't find anything about my hd |
| 03:42.35 | cklennard | |BaRcOdE|[H]: cat /etc/debian_version |
| 03:42.40 | |BaRcOdE|[H] | cklennard: nope, nothing on the pref |
| 03:42.43 | rob_lt | silverton, I really don't know... do you mean the IP of your router? I don't know much about what you are doing. |
| 03:42.59 | Gnea | nicodein: what kind of hd is it? |
| 03:43.10 | nicodein | Gnea: but anyway, why is it running good for one kernel and not for another one ? |
| 03:43.15 | nicodein | Gnea: IDE |
| 03:43.16 | |BaRcOdE|[H] | cklennard: debian version 3.0 |
| 03:43.16 | g23 | How close is Sarge from stable |
| 03:43.16 | nicodein | hda |
| 03:43.24 | Gnea | nicodein: lspci - look for the IDE string |
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| 03:43.51 | nicodein | Gnea: 0000:00:1f.1 IDE interface: Intel Corp. 82801DBM (ICH4) Ultra ATA Storage Controller (rev 01) |
| 03:44.00 | |BaRcOdE|[H] | cklennard: I am trying to stick to stable |
| 03:44.00 | Gnea | nicodein: see, the hd is connected via ide cable to the motherboard, the motherboard has a chip on there that controls the ide functions |
| 03:44.01 | joloc | his gaze has from the passing of the bars / grown so tired that it holds nothing anymore / it seems to him there are a thousand bars / and behind a thousand bars no world (the panther, RILKE) |
| 03:44.06 | jose | alguien sabe como usar el nessus |
| 03:44.09 | silverton | rob_lt, hmm, okay :) thanks for your help anyways :D |
| 03:44.14 | Gnea | nicodein: looks like an Intel to me |
| 03:44.26 | cklennard | |BaRcOdE|[H]: well than you will have to downgrade right |
| 03:44.41 | nicodein | Gnea: so I guess I forgot including a good driver in my kernel ? |
| 03:44.57 | cklennard | |BaRcOdE|[H]: or check what apt-get -f install -t testing or stable says |
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| 03:45.06 | Gnea | nicodein: right, you'll have to go back to the configuration and make sure you select the Intel driver as 'y' |
| 03:45.20 | rob_lt | silverton, np. All the phpsysinfos that I took at look at seem to have the class C network IP addy (or whatever it is called) displayed, not the WAN ip, if I'm using the correct terminology. |
| 03:45.21 | cklennard | |BaRcOdE|[H]: instead of install you could try remove, too |
| 03:45.25 | nicodein | Gnea: not as a module am I right ? |
| 03:45.40 | Solet-deb__ | doesnt mozilla-suite have an ftp client? |
| 03:45.45 | g23 | Does anyone know how close Sarge is from becoming the new stable |
| 03:45.55 | silverton | rob_lt, I understand |
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| 03:45.58 | resiak | !topicsmite g23 |
| 03:45.58 | rob_lt | g23, not really, watch and shoot |
| 03:45.58 | dpkg | And the wrath of /TOPIC descended with terrible fury upon g23. And all the people marveled, saying, Behold, we too should read the /TOPIC, lest we be stricken. And all the people read the /TOPIC, and went away edified. |
| 03:45.59 | nicodein | Solet-deb__: there's a plugin : fireftp |
| 03:46.01 | silverton | But that does make sense |
| 03:46.06 | Solet-deb__ | THX |
| 03:46.10 | silverton | the external IP isn't necassarily listening |
| 03:46.17 | Solet-deb__ | eek, sry for the caps... |
| 03:46.33 | Kevin__ | Hello is there an alternative to quicktime for linux? |
| 03:46.33 | rob_lt | silverton, right, just forwarding |
| 03:46.37 | g23 | rob_lt, where do I look |
| 03:46.39 | silverton | the router just passes all information to it's clients, and port 80 is sent to me, so 192.168.1.2 would be listening |
| 03:46.59 | Kevin__ | or should I say there is no quicktime for linux? |
| 03:47.00 | rob_lt | g23, resiak topicsmited you... did you read the topic???? |
| 03:47.01 | resiak | Kevin__: Yes: telling the website that you won't use it. |
| 03:47.21 | resiak | Kevin__: Otherwise, /msg dpkg marillat and apt-get install w32codecs like the rest of us. |
| 03:47.25 | Solet-deb__ | umm, apt-cache search fireftp didnt return anything.... |
| 03:47.27 | g23 | how? |
| 03:47.34 | silverton | w32codecs is a Golden God! |
| 03:47.35 | resiak | g23: /topic |
| 03:47.36 | Gnea | nicodein: if it's a module then it's not compiled into the kernel. if it's not compiled into the kernel then / can't get mounted. if / can't get mounted then modules can't be detected. |
| 03:47.47 | rob_lt | g23 sarge not out /msg dpkg wwsr |
| 03:47.50 | resiak | g23: That is to say, type /topic into your IRC client. |
| 03:48.11 | nicodein | Gnea: right, that was just for being sure :) |
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| 03:48.14 | Gnea | nicodein: but that's the idea behind initrd, is to load modules from ram before / gets mounted :) |
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| 03:48.45 | Gnea | nicodein: but it's more efficient to build them into the kernel and avoid using that extra memory at boottime ;) |
| 03:49.04 | Gnea | initrd is great for booting and detection |
| 03:49.11 | g23 | ok... I wanted to know where to look to see how many critical bugs were left... etc |
| 03:49.18 | Solet-deb__ | what package is fireftp in? |
| 03:49.27 | Gnea | apt-cache search fireftp |
| 03:49.34 | nicodein | Solet-deb__: install it with firefox |
| 03:49.38 | Solet-deb__ | 'gnea i did, it returned nothing |
| 03:49.39 | nicodein | that's a xpi file |
| 03:49.39 | Gnea | hrm |
| 03:49.44 | Gnea | Solet-deb__: same here |
| 03:49.45 | rob_lt | You don't need all the modules built in to get away without using an initrd. You need the filesystem module, and a few others, but not everything. |
| 03:50.03 | Gnea | Solet-deb__: you probably need to install it via the browser |
| 03:50.06 | Solet-deb__ | nicodein: ? i have firefox installed |
| 03:50.13 | nicodein | Solet-deb__: ahum |
| 03:50.18 | nicodein | maybe I'm tired |
| 03:50.19 | nicodein | :( |
| 03:50.20 | nicodein | sorry |
| 03:50.34 | Gnea | rob_lt: depending on the system. i decide what i need on my systems, though. |
| 03:51.04 | Gnea | ugh |
| 03:51.12 | Solet-deb__ | is there an ftp client that will allow me to upload files by right clicking and selecting which ftp to upload to? |
| 03:51.23 | Gnea | everytime i go to compile something the AGP on this mobo craps out... |
| 03:51.37 | Gnea | NVRM: Xid: 16, Head 00000000 Count 000093ac |
| 03:51.41 | Gnea | bleh |
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| 03:52.58 | NeverThinker | is this a real chat? |
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| 03:53.18 | shivraj | how do you change the background and themes in openbox ? |
| 03:53.26 | rob_lt | Gnea, fair enough. I'm just saying that not wanting an initrd is not an excuse for having a monolithic kernel. |
| 03:53.38 | Solet-deb__ | NeverThinker: no, this is pretend, the 642 people in here never speak, this is an 'undercover' idlerpg |
| 03:53.40 | furrywolf | NeverThinker: no, it's a fake one. |
| 03:53.50 | NeverThinker | I know |
| 03:53.51 | cklennard | NeverThinker: no this is porn |
| 03:53.53 | Gnea | NeverThinker: you have entered the TWILIGHT ZONE |
| 03:54.00 | rob_lt | shivraj, you could try Esetroot which comes with Eterm, and there are others. Google is your friend here. |
| 03:54.10 | nicodein | Gnea: how to know what driver is missing ? |
| 03:54.10 | bucky | bring a lot of toilet paper |
| 03:54.19 | Gnea | rob_lt: agreed, but it's nice to keep all the bases covered :) |
| 03:54.20 | |BaRcOdE|[H] | cklennard: when I ran a apt-get -f install a bunch of important packages are going to be removed, like postfix, ssh, bind9, apache... will I be able to reinstall them right away or am I going to screw my system? |
| 03:54.23 | furrywolf | de-de-do-do-de-de-do-do.... |
| 03:54.30 | bucky | heh |
| 03:54.42 | Gnea | nicodein: like i said, it's an Intel, you proved it, so find it in the ATA/IDE controller section |
| 03:54.45 | Solet-deb__ | NeverThinker: this was a real chat 10 minutes ago... but i wouldnt be surprised if it turns into a flame war, the world vs. you |
| 03:54.54 | Solet-deb__ | oh god the furry is singing who took his muzzle off |
| 03:55.08 | cklennard | |BaRcOdE|[H]: are you directly connect via an terminal |
| 03:55.09 | shivraj | what about obconf ? what does that do ? |
| 03:55.27 | NeverThinker | Well this is the first chat that I have found that actually has speaking people |
| 03:55.27 | |BaRcOdE|[H] | cklennard: nope, ssh |
| 03:55.35 | NeverThinker | nice it's in english too |
| 03:55.41 | bucky | nevermind NeverThinker.. we have Solet-deb__ to flame instead |
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| 03:55.55 | Solet-deb__ | haha |
| 03:55.59 | Solet-deb__ | @lart bucky |
| 03:56.27 | bucky | play with the bot and the bot bites back |
| 03:56.27 | cklennard | |BaRcOdE|[H]: ok open two or three more connections and make sure that nothing essential to the network config is removed also before that try the -t testing flag |
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| 03:56.58 | Solet-deb__ | bucky: how so? |
| 03:57.16 | cklennard | |BaRcOdE|[H]: apt-get install -t testing -f |
| 03:57.29 | bucky | Solet-deb__, what percieved problem do you have for us to solve today? |
| 03:57.30 | |BaRcOdE|[H] | cklennard: what do you mean by -t testing flag? in which context? |
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| 03:58.00 | |BaRcOdE|[H] | cklennard: won't that upgrade everything to testing? |
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| 03:58.10 | Sero | Anyone know of any good audio editing programs? |
| 03:58.11 | cklennard | |BaRcOdE|[H]: yes |
| 03:58.23 | cklennard | |BaRcOdE|[H]: you wanted to stick with stable |
| 03:58.39 | Gnea | Sero: audacity, ardour |
| 03:58.58 | Gnea | Sero: sweep, if you've got the ram |
| 03:59.04 | Solet-deb__ | bucky nothing really, other than with my multi head setup (triangle shaped) when i make a blank file on the desktop it puts it off screen where i cant get to it... but i think i may be able to fix that, i'm just not sure if i can use negative valuse for absolute position in XFree86Config-4 |
| 03:59.06 | NeverThinker | anybody here knows how to use the dvd player on simplymepis |
| 03:59.18 | cklennard | |BaRcOdE|[H]: also not everu pkg is upgraded only the ones that need fixing |
| 03:59.19 | shivraj | rob_lt : is there a file I can edit to change the bg ?? |
| 03:59.21 | Solet-deb__ | and i'm trying to find an ftp client i like |
| 03:59.41 | ethics | nicodein: still got ata problems?? |
| 03:59.41 | Sero | Gnea, thanks. |
| 03:59.48 | rob_lt | shivraj, I don't think so, not in openbox. You have to use an external app to set the BG. |
| 04:00.06 | |BaRcOdE|[H] | cklennard: ok, I'll try that, "apt-get install -t testing -f" you say? |
| 04:00.07 | nicodein | ethics: I just can't find the driver I'm looking for to include |
| 04:00.17 | nicodein | ethics: I found a "intel" thing |
| 04:00.21 | ethics | nicodein: nicodein: is is a sata board? |
| 04:00.21 | Gnea | NeverThinker: yeah, put a dvd in the drive, click 'play' |
| 04:00.26 | cklennard | |BaRcOdE|[H]: jup |
| 04:00.27 | nicodein | but it's either module or nothing |
| 04:00.30 | nicodein | :( |
| 04:00.34 | Gnea | NeverThinker: this is #debian, not #mepis |
| 04:00.37 | |BaRcOdE|[H] | cklennard: ok, I'll try that! |
| 04:00.38 | ethics | nicodein: nicodein: is is a sata board? |
| 04:00.46 | nicodein | ethics: don't know actually |
| 04:00.56 | Gnea | nicodein: then something is a module that it depends on |
| 04:00.59 | ethics | nicodein what kernel you running 2.6? |
| 04:01.08 | bucky | Solet-deb__, i'm sorry.. did you have a debian question? |
| 04:01.10 | nicodein | 2.6.9 |
| 04:01.15 | ethics | nicodein: modprobe ata-piix |
| 04:01.19 | NeverThinker | Gnea: wish that would work. they have a #mepis? |
| 04:01.26 | Solet-deb__ | nicodein: do you plug your hard drives into red lshaped connectors? |
| 04:01.29 | |BaRcOdE|[H] | cklennard: I got the exact same scenario that I got when I did a apt-get -f install |
| 04:01.34 | Gnea | NeverThinker: why don't you try |
| 04:01.40 | ethics | nicodein, all the intel sata boards ICH5/6 work on that one so i guess ich4 may too |
| 04:01.41 | nicodein | it's a laptop |
| 04:01.50 | Solet-deb__ | bucky: yes i posted it a moment ago? should i repeat? |
| 04:02.08 | ethics | nicodein try it....the lsmod and see if ata_piix is in list |
| 04:02.15 | NeverThinker | Gnea: gives me an error |
| 04:02.16 | cklennard | |BaRcOdE|[H]: sorry, than i can only suggest use dselect and fix the dependcies by hand or downgrade the thing to 3.0 or upgrade to 3.1 |
| 04:02.42 | NeverThinker | Gnea: hell since I just reformated my drive why the hell don't I try again |
| 04:02.47 | nicodein | ethics: nothing with ata_piix |
| 04:02.52 | |BaRcOdE|[H] | cklennard: ok, thanks a lot for your input man |
| 04:02.55 | Gnea | NeverThinker: i /join #mepis just fine |
| 04:03.07 | Solet-deb__ | nicodein: if its a laptop i doubt it would be sata.... |
| 04:03.08 | cklennard | |BaRcOdE|[H]: :) |
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| 04:03.28 | nicodein | Solet-deb__: it does not seem |
| 04:03.31 | nicodein | indeed |
| 04:03.34 | ethics | nicodein: did you modprobe it ? |
| 04:03.56 | nicodein | nope =) |
| 04:04.00 | nicodein | it's modprobed now |
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| 04:04.19 | ethics | nicodein: modprobe ata-piix && lsmod|grep ata-piix |
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| 04:04.46 | ethics | nicodein: lsmod? find it ? |
| 04:04.49 | nicodein | two matches |
| 04:04.56 | nicodein | ata_piix and libata |
| 04:05.03 | ethics | ok sounds like thats your driver 8) |
| 04:05.05 | nicodein | libata referring to the first one |
| 04:05.15 | nicodein | ethics: ok I'm gunna try it |
| 04:05.22 | ethics | nicodein: noww the drives may come up as sda |
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| 04:05.34 | ethics | nicodein: noww the drives may come up as ata-piix is actually scsi sata driver |
| 04:06.01 | squatta101 | how would I chown all files and folders, regardless of file names (spaces, stuff like that) |
| 04:06.08 | shivraj | rob_it: thanks I used some pgm called feh |
| 04:06.21 | nicodein | ethics and Gnea : thanks a lot, I'm gonna try to make it |
| 04:06.34 | shivraj | rob_it: thanks I used some pgm called feh |
| 04:06.38 | nicodein | but I'll surely be back in a while ;) |
| 04:06.41 | rob_lt | shivraj, just apt-get install eterm, and then Esetroot -s /path/to/background.png |
| 04:06.44 | ethics | nicodein all you need to do is add theat to /etc/modules and it will load on boot |
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| 04:06.57 | Solet-deb__ | bucky: my multi head setup (triangle shaped) when i make a blank file on the desktop it puts it off screen where i cant get to it... but i think i may be able to fix that, i'm just not sure if i can use negative valuse for absolute position in XFree86Config-4 |
| 04:07.05 | shivraj | rob_it now I gotta find a pic of a hot chick |
| 04:07.08 | squatta101 | is that even possible? |
| 04:07.32 | bucky | Solet-deb__, i'm sorry.. did you have a debian question? |
| 04:08.01 | sean_micken | i've got a p2 400 and i' |
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| 04:08.10 | sean_micken | m trying to put a 40 GB hdd in it |
| 04:08.19 | sean_micken | but it hangs on "detecting primary master..." |
| 04:08.22 | rob_lt | shivraj, post the link when you find a good one ;) |
| 04:08.28 | sean_micken | anyone know how to fix that? |
| 04:08.30 | Solet-deb__ | when last i checked that is a debian question as the xfree86 server is distributed with debian |
| 04:08.36 | deadcat | !tell sean_micken about enter |
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| 04:09.04 | sean_micken | lemme start over then |
| 04:09.14 | bucky | Solet-deb__, dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xfree86 |
| 04:09.21 | deadcat | sean_micken: nono, we saw the question |
| 04:09.47 | furrywolf | solet: that sounds like a kde and/or gnome question, as I don't recall debian having anything to do with blank files on screens. |
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| 04:09.59 | Solet-deb__ | fuck no! you twat did you not see me say multi head!? using that pos wizard will destroy my desktop |
| 04:10.08 | furrywolf | and thus best asked in #kde and/or #gnome |
| 04:10.31 | Solet-deb__ | furrywolf: its not the blank file on screen its blank file off screen that's the problem |
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| 04:11.20 | furrywolf | sean: you can either look for a newer bios, or boot off a smaller drive and use the large drive as a second drive. or did you put it in as a second drive with a primary drive, and forgot to set the jumpers? |
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| 04:11.43 | bucky | Solet-deb__, did you try #xfree86 ? |
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| 04:14.26 | rking | how is the stuff in /usr/share/zsh/4.2.5/functions supposed to be used? |
| 04:14.35 | rking | i'd really like to be able to do svn completion, for example. |
| 04:15.46 | |BaRcOdE|[H] | cklennard: u still there? |
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| 04:16.58 | |BaRcOdE|[H] | cklennard: do you think that my problem not creating/rewriting executables on /bin and /sbin will be solved by downgrading to 3.0 upgrading to 3.1 ? |
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| 04:18.02 | deadcat | anyone else having trouble with mol in 2.6.11 ? 2.6.10 was the last version that worked for me. |
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| 04:20.27 | shivraj | rob_lt : check out www.desktopgirls.com |
| 04:20.35 | secher | This is tangentially related to Debian, and I'm getting no help elsewhere. I just installed cygwin, and I'm trying to figure out how I can get my whole Linux desktop exported to this damn windows system. Essentially, I want to know how I get to what I get when I startx on my main system. Can someone please give me some pointers? I've read and reread teh cygwin docs, adn googled, to no avail. |
| 04:20.46 | Solet-deb | how does one tell if frame-buffer support and frame-buffer console support has been compiled into the kernel? |
| 04:21.20 | chealer | Solet-deb: grep the config file for "FB" |
| 04:21.25 | deadcat | Solet-deb: set vga=791 in your loader and reboot. or just grep FB /boot/config-`uname -r` |
| 04:21.44 | cklennard | |BaRcOdE|[H]: hoefully yes |
| 04:22.07 | furrywolf | secher: why not just install linux? |
| 04:22.44 | deadcat | ya. whats the point of dual booting? |
| 04:22.47 | secher | cause it's not my box. I'm completely proprietary free at home, but not here. |
| 04:22.58 | joloc | quit |
| 04:22.59 | furrywolf | bring a knoppix cd with you |
| 04:23.11 | cafuego | or not |
| 04:23.14 | Supaplex | I'm at http://www.debian.org/releases/testing/i386/release-notes/ch-upgrading.en.html, and most of my packages say 'held back'. How do I upgrade these others so it acts like I installed from sarge fresh? (they appear to be woody packages still) |
| 04:23.35 | Solet-deb | deadcat: CONFIG_FB=y (is that what i'm looking for i'd imagine) |
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| 04:23.45 | cafuego | Supaplex: You need to run a 'dist-upgrade'. |
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| 04:24.11 | cklennard | |BaRcOdE|[H]: first log in a few more times! |
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| 04:24.20 | Guerin | secher: either use ssh -X into your home machine, or run an xdmcp server on your home box, and tunnel it over ssh |
| 04:24.25 | nunez | Whats the best backup utility that creates a DVD Image of your system and boots and reinstalls its all? |
| 04:24.39 | Supaplex | I did run dist-upgrade |
| 04:24.41 | Guerin | secher: the xdmcp howto on tldp.org has the skinny - it's very easy to do |
| 04:24.49 | |BaRcOdE|[H] | cklennard: yeah, I logged in a couple of times more |
| 04:24.51 | deadcat | Solet-deb: also check VESA |
| 04:24.53 | secher | Guerin: Whew.. Thanks! |
| 04:25.08 | deadcat | Solet-deb: just set vga=791 in your loader and reboot to find out. |
| 04:25.18 | cklennard | |BaRcOdE|[H]: you can not install from one of the new connections? |
| 04:25.51 | shivraj | my cursor is an X, using openbox how do I change it ? |
| 04:25.53 | Solet-deb | deadcat: CONFIG_FB_VESA=m, how do i set vga=791? |
| 04:26.02 | |BaRcOdE|[H] | cklennard: I am about to give the apt-get -f install command |
| 04:26.03 | deadcat | Solet-deb: what loader you using? |
| 04:26.11 | Solet-deb | grub |
| 04:26.12 | cklennard | |BaRcOdE|[H]: go |
| 04:26.37 | deadcat | Solet-deb: check menu.lst, search for kopt and add this to the end of the line vga=791 |
| 04:26.47 | sfm | does anyone know how to capture sound being played through the sound card with alsa? |
| 04:26.48 | deadcat | Solet-deb: example here http://sshonly.sytes.net/config/boot/grub/menu.lst |
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| 04:27.25 | deadcat | what the fuck is this IrssiUrlLog/0.2 shit? each time i paste a link it goes there. fucking bot |
| 04:27.34 | Solet-deb | deadcat can you post that link again? i double clicked it and it closed chatzilla |
| 04:27.42 | deadcat | Solet-deb: example here http://sshonly.sytes.net/config/boot/grub/menu.lst |
| 04:27.43 | ethics | sfm: grec grecord ?? |
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| 04:27.58 | Guerin | secher: ssh -X allows you to run any arbitrary X app - so you can concievably run startx or something over it if you set your env variables up properly. you can certainly run, for example, startkde over it. |
| 04:28.10 | ethics | does cat /dev/dsp >> xx.wav work or does alsa send out something specific? |
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| 04:28.15 | sfm | note that sometimes you need ssh -XY |
| 04:28.48 | ethics | Solet-deb, you planning on dualboot? |
| 04:28.52 | roo9 | is there a way to determine if a domain name is a regular top-level domain like "somesite.com" or if it's a subdomain like, "this.site.com"? |
| 04:28.58 | Guerin | and ssh -XC is good too, if you're not on 100 mbit internet |
| 04:28.58 | Solet-deb | ethics: no |
| 04:29.00 | sfm | make sure ssh X11 forwarding is turned on |
| 04:29.10 | Solet-deb | i'm wanting to install qingy |
| 04:29.16 | cklennard | roo9: whois dig host |
| 04:29.19 | rking | found it - it's compinstall |
| 04:29.19 | sfm | i think it's /etc/ssh something or other |
| 04:29.20 | rking | wheeeeeeee |
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| 04:29.25 | ethics | solet-deb: cool |
| 04:29.26 | kokoko1 | omg they just dump debian ....read the full story |
| 04:29.29 | kokoko1 | http://news.yahoo.com/s/mc/20050524/tc_mc/macsreplaceuniversityslinuxdesktops/nc:1817 |
| 04:29.48 | roo9 | cklennard: how does that help distinguish them? they will both return the same dig/host information. |
| 04:29.55 | deadcat | kokoko1: who gives a hoola |
| 04:30.01 | ethics | roo9 based on what information? an ip address? |
| 04:30.06 | secher | guerin: what env variables do I need to be concerned with? |
| 04:30.22 | roo9 | ethics ? |
| 04:30.33 | furrywolf | "Bell said OS X supports all the required applications, including Microsoft Office." sounds like the real problem is they don't have fucking brains... |
| 04:30.33 | cklennard | roo9: whois bla, dig bla, should give you all you need |
| 04:30.37 | Guerin | secher: for startx, I'm not sure. DISPLAY would be the one I'd think would be most troublesome |
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| 04:30.49 | secher | I want to look at this screen and not know I'm in Window$, ideally. |
| 04:30.50 | Kia`RedanBae | Hello |
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| 04:31.11 | roo9 | cklennard: adamjacobmuller.com has address 10.0.1.157 |
| 04:31.11 | roo9 | blog.adamjacobmuller.com has address 10.0.1.157 |
| 04:31.22 | Kernel | is anyone interested in try my streaming media url for me so i can see how it works? |
| 04:31.26 | deadcat | secher: but you're still on in windows. doesnt matter how you dress it up. |
| 04:31.35 | roo9 | cklennard: how do they differ there, yet one is a sub domain, the other is not |
| 04:31.42 | deadcat | Kernel: porn? |
| 04:31.51 | Kernel | na music |
| 04:31.56 | furrywolf | secher: do as I said. use knoppix or some other live cd. |
| 04:31.56 | cklennard | rob_lt: whois adamjacobmuller.com |
| 04:31.58 | deadcat | Kernel: porn music? |
| 04:32.02 | Kernel | lol |
| 04:32.06 | deadcat | haha (= |
| 04:32.10 | Kernel | noped |
| 04:32.15 | deadcat | then forget it. (= |
| 04:32.41 | secher | guerin: I seem to recall years ago dealing with exceed, using someting like export DISPLAY:<client_systemsip>:0.0 |
| 04:32.48 | deadcat | furrywolf: wow.. kidding me |
| 04:33.04 | nicodein | furrywolf: I don't like porn neither |
| 04:33.08 | mwilson | furrywolf: What's the point? Wouldn't you rather look at a real girl (boy, whichever)? |
| 04:33.11 | Kernel | http://trbonet.hopto.org/netjuke Email = test@mynet.com Password = testing come om someone test it antell me if it works |
| 04:33.11 | nicodein | but I'm not a linux user ;) |
| 04:33.15 | secher | deadcat: dude, to each his own man. |
| 04:33.16 | furrywolf | deadcat: why would I be kidding? what's the point of porn? "oh, look, naked people." |
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| 04:33.22 | roo9 | cklennard: except, whois information is not parseable, i need to do this for several thoulsand domains. |
| 04:33.23 | deadcat | secher: i guess. |
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| 04:33.33 | furrywolf | mwilson: girl. :P |
| 04:33.36 | ethics | anyone familiar with ivtv drivers? im trying to get video4Linux support on it but im unsure if i can do anything more than i HAve already |
| 04:33.45 | deadcat | furrywolf: i like british porn. (= like those in family guy |
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| 04:33.58 | Guerin | secher: that sounds about right for a local, but unless your X server is listening, i can't see that working |
| 04:34.05 | furrywolf | deadcat: not sure what that is. |
| 04:34.10 | cklennard | roo9: uhm, hey you just asked about one :) in what language |
| 04:34.20 | pipeline | deadcat: good show |
| 04:34.22 | pipeline | old chap |
| 04:34.25 | deadcat | furrywolf: nevermind... you have to watch family guy |
| 04:34.34 | pipeline | furrywolf: almost, almost, almost. Yes, that will do nicely. |
| 04:34.44 | deadcat | pipeline: ya. "almost, almost, there we go" "well done" |
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| 04:34.48 | ethics | XDMCP . remote xwindows sessions.....does that pipe the sound and such to the session so i hear it on my PC or does it just play on the server? |
| 04:34.52 | furrywolf | seems the easiest way to check what level domain it is is to count the dots, but... :P |
| 04:34.54 | roo9 | cklennard: anything, i'm writing this in PHP but i can translate, just no C(++)? please |
| 04:35.06 | herbi_ | yay the new puters have arrived |
| 04:35.10 | herbi_ | nothing like doing a fresh debian install |
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| 04:35.45 | Supaplex | herbi_: well, there's always a fresh debian install. ;) |
| 04:35.45 | Guerin | ethics: since x has nothing to do with sound, you'd need a sound server or other such to make local noises |
| 04:36.00 | Guerin | ethics: it is possible with esd or arts |
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| 04:36.16 | pipeline | ethics: No, but you can use NAS to get the sound piped. |
| 04:36.35 | roo9 | cklennard: i should mention that it needs to work for ALL domains, not just .com/net/org. that includes all country domains, this is where things get sticky because somesite.co.uk wouldn't be a subdomain, even though it has 3 parts |
| 04:36.41 | furrywolf | I think yiff can do network audio too |
| 04:36.43 | cklennard | roo9: try cWhois |
| 04:36.47 | Kia`RedanBae | When will Sarge get released? |
| 04:36.55 | deadcat | Kia`RedanBae: 31st |
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| 04:37.06 | deadcat | Kia`RedanBae: i know a guy. |
| 04:37.13 | cklennard | roo9: that is only dependent on the whois db, the protocol is always the same |
| 04:37.15 | Big_Wolf | too many wolves :/ |
| 04:37.19 | Kia`RedanBae | deadcat: Really? that'll be sweet |
| 04:37.29 | furrywolf | too many? not enough! this channel needs more furs. :) |
| 04:37.32 | Guerin | Kia`RedanBae: the real answer is, when it's ready |
| 04:37.40 | deadcat | Kia`RedanBae: ya.. he said they are working on the rest of the bugs. 98% |
| 04:37.40 | Solet-deb | deadcat: whats the number i set vga to? a book i have says 0x317 but i dont think thats what you said... |
| 04:37.44 | Guerin | which is likely to be the last of this month |
| 04:37.57 | Guerin | too many furverts in here by far |
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| 04:38.07 | roo9 | cklennard: a commercial product :-( |
| 04:38.15 | furrywolf | guerin: furry != furvert. |
| 04:38.22 | Guerin | furrywolf: sure, pal. |
| 04:38.26 | Guerin | whatever you say. |
| 04:38.33 | Solet-deb | !furrywolf's dirty hobby |
| 04:38.33 | dpkg | from memory, furrywolf's dirty hobby is http://www.peselectro.com/PESMainGreetingsPage.asp |
| 04:38.44 | furrywolf | lol |
| 04:39.00 | cklennard | roo9: hm, what about pear does it not have such a thing |
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| 04:39.16 | Supaplex | !Guerin's dirty hobby |
| 04:39.35 | Big_Wolf | I recall other linux distributions having more fonts in X. How do I get them all with debian? |
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| 04:39.39 | Guerin | furrywolf: my opinion has nothing to do with your constant droning about dancing vixens, your obsession with anime foxes, or your too-loud protestations that you don't 'snuggle' people you don't know |
| 04:39.45 | Guerin | :) |
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| 04:39.53 | Guerin | Big_Wolf: which fonts do you wants? |
| 04:39.56 | deadcat | Solet-deb: try 791 then 788 if 791 dont work |
| 04:40.03 | roo9 | cklennard: actually, it does, good idea, thanks :-) |
| 04:40.05 | Kia`RedanBae | deadcat: If Sarge is released, I'll ditch Ubuntu. |
| 04:40.17 | cklennard | roo9: welcome |
| 04:40.19 | Guerin | Kia`RedanBae: why? |
| 04:40.20 | Solet-deb | deadcat: what will it do if it 'doesnt work' |
| 04:40.30 | deadcat | Kia`RedanBae: you can ditch it anytime you want. dont have to wait till sarge is stable. |
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| 04:40.32 | Supaplex | Kia`RedanBae: you mean.. when? |
| 04:40.34 | Guerin | Kia`RedanBae: since sarge and ubuntu fill utterly different roles. |
| 04:40.35 | furrywolf | guerin: umm. constant droning? I joked about it once while discussing X screensaver hacks. I don't know of ANY anime foxes, much less have an obsession with them. and I don't snuggle people I don't know. :P |
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| 04:40.45 | ethics | pipeline: thx matey ill have a look at NAS |
| 04:40.48 | deadcat | Solet-deb: if it doesnt work. it goes to default. |
| 04:41.05 | pipeline | ethics: If you can't get NAS working, fallback positions would be esd and arts |
| 04:41.12 | Guerin | furrywolf: don't make me grab that link you pasted about the anime foxette and ashame you. |
| 04:41.13 | ethics | Guerin, yeah thats what i figuREd...i remember someone saying esd could be networked etc.......thx for confirming |
| 04:41.18 | Solet-deb | but how will i know? as i've not installed qingy yet... |
| 04:41.20 | shivraj | I haven't used linux in a while, whats a good media player ? |
| 04:41.34 | Big_Wolf | Guerin: i want helvetica |
| 04:41.37 | pipeline | shivraj: totem-xine is a good bet |
| 04:41.40 | Kia`RedanBae | Supaplex, Yes, when exactly |
| 04:41.44 | pipeline | <PROTECTED> |
| 04:41.46 | Supaplex | furrywolf: he's broke. ;) so never! |
| 04:41.47 | Big_Wolf | Guerin: my gtk fonts are like huge, and my firefox fonts are screwy |
| 04:41.59 | furrywolf | supaplex: lol |
| 04:42.03 | Big_Wolf | I don't know what the font problem is |
| 04:42.04 | pipeline | Big_Wolf: Contrary to popular belief, not everything is free. Helvetica costs money. I think it's about two hundred bucks. Have fun. |
| 04:42.05 | johnsu01 | I've got an apache2 server that dies every night at midnight, after webalizer runs. |
| 04:42.06 | Guerin | Big_Wolf: /msg dpkg gtk fontsize; firefox fonts are always fucked |
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| 04:42.20 | johnsu01 | I get a mail with output that looks like it is successfully restarting. |
| 04:42.25 | johnsu01 | after having logs rotated. |
| 04:42.26 | Guerin | worktime again, hurrah |
| 04:43.01 | johnsu01 | but, it must be dying right after that. |
| 04:43.14 | Solet-deb | can the bot convert hex to decimal? |
| 04:43.35 | johnsu01 | any suggestions for how to log what might be happening? |
| 04:44.08 | nicodein | Solet-deb: use bc |
| 04:44.10 | Supaplex | cafuego: so if I've run apt-get dist-upgrade a few times, and it says I have a zillion packages held back, then what? 0 packages upgraded, 0 newly installed, 0 to remove and 398 not upgraded. |
| 04:44.22 | roo9 | cklennard: if i try to query the whois DB several 1000 times, won't i just get banned? |
| 04:44.34 | Solet-deb | nicodein? |
| 04:44.35 | furrywolf | roo9: most likely. |
| 04:44.54 | johnsu01 | there isn't anything in the apache2 error logs. |
| 04:45.05 | roo9 | furrywolf: well, a kanga roo of course |
| 04:45.08 | nicodein | Solet-deb: you want to convert hexadecimal to decimal ? |
| 04:45.17 | furrywolf | roo9: heh. furry? :) |
| 04:45.19 | Solet-deb | nicodein: yes |
| 04:45.27 | nicodein | Solet-deb: so use bc |
| 04:45.31 | nicodein | it's a program |
| 04:45.32 | roo9 | furrywolf: is there any way i can say "i'm a nice guy and i'm not doing this to spam them?" |
| 04:45.33 | cklennard | roo9: you can spread your querries about several servers, or not |
| 04:45.38 | Solet-deb | nicodein: ah ok |
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| 04:45.47 | herbi_ | is there a debian installer that supports sata? |
| 04:45.59 | deadcat | herbi_: sarge? |
| 04:46.07 | Supaplex | herbi_: I believe so. I installed it on my sata only box. |
| 04:46.17 | cklennard | roo9: also don't know what timeinterval they use to decide if someone is spamming |
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| 04:46.18 | jim | it would have to support a particular chipset... what's yours? |
| 04:46.20 | furrywolf | roo9: it's gotten a lot harder to do mass-whoises... you can try downloading and/or purchasing a whois database. I think a nameserver database can be downloaded free. |
| 04:46.25 | herbi_ | ahk, probably just need to put a new version on cd |
| 04:46.31 | herbi_ | :P |
| 04:46.31 | herbi_ | thanks |
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| 04:46.42 | jim | herbi_, it would have to support a particular chipset... what's yours? |
| 04:46.42 | deadcat | herbi_: no. you just need to read the freakin bootup message. |
| 04:46.46 | Solet-deb | nicodein: with a VERY long man page too :P |
| 04:46.47 | Supaplex | furrywolf: really? humm. |
| 04:47.15 | herbi_ | jim: not too sure. theres no hurry |
| 04:47.19 | herbi_ | deadcat: sorry? |
| 04:47.20 | nicodein | Solet-deb: type ibase=16 in the bc console |
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| 04:47.30 | nicodein | then enter your number in hexadecimal |
| 04:47.30 | furrywolf | roo9: you also can just limit yourself to 5 per hour or whatever they throttle you at... |
| 04:47.36 | furrywolf | what're you trying to do, exactly? |
| 04:47.45 | herbi_ | deadcat: i dont follow. unfortunately, we have to purchase dells. there is on "bootup message", freakin or not |
| 04:47.48 | jim | herbi_, well... that's the bottleneck requirement |
| 04:47.51 | roo9 | furrywolf: all i need actually is to know is if a domain is registered |
| 04:48.06 | deadcat | herbi_: when you boot up the cd. read the freakin message. |
| 04:48.11 | Solet-deb | yay 0x317=791 that makes life easy |
| 04:48.16 | furrywolf | roo9: does it have to handle cctlds, etc? |
| 04:48.23 | furrywolf | starting a domain registrar? |
| 04:48.40 | herbi_ | deadcat: WHAT message? |
| 04:48.41 | jim | Solet-deb: for base conversions, you might look at forth |
| 04:48.49 | ethics | nicodein, that ata driver work for you ok? |
| 04:48.50 | roo9 | furrywolf: yes, it needs to handle cctlds |
| 04:48.53 | jim | hex 317 decimal . |
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| 04:48.58 | herbi_ | the one that says "no partitionable hard drives"? |
| 04:49.09 | Solet-deb | forth? |
| 04:49.13 | nicodein | ethics: just finished the compilation of the modules |
| 04:49.17 | Kia`RedanBae | Guerin: The only reason I am trying Ubuntu, is I wanted to install a version of Debian with latest packages. Debian doesn't release a major release in a too long time |
| 04:49.22 | furrywolf | roo9: I'm still not sure what you're trying to do... what's the end goal of this check? |
| 04:49.22 | nicodein | it's a 1.6 Ghz :( |
| 04:49.26 | jim | apt-get install gforth |
| 04:49.32 | ethics | nicodein, oh your making a new kernel? |
| 04:49.33 | jim | then run gforth |
| 04:49.36 | jim | then try the line |
| 04:49.47 | Solet-deb | deadcat: i set the menu.lst, do i have to completely reboot? and what will it do that i know it worked? |
| 04:49.55 | nicodein | ethics: yep |
| 04:50.21 | deadcat | Solet-deb: yes. you get better resolution. |
| 04:50.24 | roo9 | furrywolf: i have a list of ~10k domains, i need to seperate the sub domains from the real domains. |
| 04:50.34 | furrywolf | roo9: why? |
| 04:50.35 | ethics | nicodein, cool...any reason specifically to recompile? |
| 04:50.35 | Solet-deb | in terminal? |
| 04:50.37 | deadcat | Solet-deb: if you dont know what fbuffer do. then whats the point of setting it |
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| 04:50.43 | deadcat | Solet-deb: console |
| 04:50.52 | furrywolf | they're equivelent for most purposes... |
| 04:50.53 | Solet-deb | deadcat: i need to to install qingy, or so the book tells me |
| 04:50.59 | roo9 | furrywolf: it's a *LONG* story, it has to do with apache configuration... |
| 04:51.06 | deadcat | Solet-deb: what book? |
| 04:51.15 | furrywolf | apache configuration they most definitely should be equivelent for. :) |
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| 04:51.20 | Solet-deb | linux desktop hacks by o'reilly |
| 04:51.21 | nicodein | ethics: to put some driver into the kernel |
| 04:51.32 | deadcat | Solet-deb: oreilly is a bitch. |
| 04:51.38 | Supaplex | cafuego: I didn't remove all my woody sources. my bad. :) |
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| 04:51.45 | Supaplex | 442 packages upgraded, 109 newly installed, 183 to remove and 14 not upgraded. |
| 04:51.48 | Supaplex | yay |
| 04:51.53 | jim | it's -often- the best docs around |
| 04:51.53 | Solet-deb | deadcat: they taught me php... and it makes me lots of money |
| 04:52.03 | Solet-deb | o'reilly is a god to me |
| 04:52.10 | nicodein | ethics: am I doing something bad ? or useless ? |
| 04:52.13 | ethics | nicodein: so just because you want it all kerneled.....i run mine as a module ...just wondering if you knew something i didnt hehe |
| 04:52.16 | deadcat | Solet-deb: i stand by what i said |
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| 04:52.47 | nicodein | ethics: I don't like that initrd thing ;) |
| 04:52.56 | furrywolf | roo9: before I can answer how to tell them apart, you'll need to answer what's different between them that matters. :) |
| 04:52.58 | jim | deadcat: your statement was at best mismatched metaphors... what does a book publisher have to do with doggys? |
| 04:53.11 | Solet-deb | ok... not trying to start an arguement, but o'reilly presents the information in a layout that is very suited to my learning abilities/methods (ie redundant and well noted with lots of examples) |
| 04:53.16 | furrywolf | since there's rather different answers based on what you need to check for... |
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| 04:53.30 | deadcat | jim: have you ever used the word bitch? if no then forget it. |
| 04:53.47 | jim | deadcat: so what do you actually mean by that? |
| 04:53.55 | john | Anybody familiar with dvd video structure? AUDIO_TS and VIDEO_TS |
| 04:54.08 | Solet-deb | i'm a visual learner, if i'm shown something twice, then supervised while i try to do it on my own, then i do it several times myself with no help i've learned it for life... no matter what the subject or task |
| 04:54.13 | furrywolf | john: google. |
| 04:54.21 | ethics | nicodein, well you can just add ata-piix into you /etc/modules.conf for it to load on boot....but yeah you can do it your way...im just wary of comiling kernels etc..normally the debian kernels are stable and have what i need |
| 04:54.24 | john | ha, i tried that. |
| 04:54.26 | nicodein | ethics: so you said to me my new root partition would be sda* instead of hda* ? |
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| 04:54.42 | Solet-deb | lol @ jim... 'doggies' |
| 04:54.56 | herbi_ | there dont appear to be any sarge net install isos |
| 04:54.58 | Solet-deb | hey furrywolf: o'reilly's books are furries too!!! :) |
| 04:55.08 | roo9 | furrywolf: ok, i'm writing my apache configuration based on a database of domain names, so in that apache config i have a ServerName and a ServerAlias, servername is defined as www.DOMAIN but if DOMAIN is a subdomain, say maps.google.com, then it becomes www.maps.google.com which is not a valid name. Hence, i need to seperate out the sub domains and not prepend www to them |
| 04:55.08 | deadcat | !d-i |
| 04:55.08 | dpkg | rumour has it, d-i is the new installer for sarge (debian 3.1), at http://www.debian.org/devel/debian-installer/ or see debian-boot@lists.debian.org, but don't pester the d-i devs with unrelated questions, or see <debian-installer> |
| 04:55.13 | nicodein | ethics: but during the boot process my kernel was unable to load the root partition |
| 04:55.17 | jim | herbi_: got some blank floppies? |
| 04:55.29 | ethics | nicodein, on mine on the 2.6.8-2 kernel with ich6 it is sda sdb etc.....id expect the same but you should have them in /dev/ if its modprobed atm |
| 04:55.32 | herbi_ | jim: if it comes down to it. but id rather have a cd. |
| 04:55.44 | furrywolf | roo9: that's not going to work. many subdomains are www.foo.bar.com. |
| 04:55.46 | deadcat | !tell herbi_ about d-i |
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| 04:55.58 | Supaplex | di radio? ;) |
| 04:56.00 | nicodein | but with 2.6.9 (the one I'm currently using) it's /dev/hda5 |
| 04:56.04 | nicodein | not sda5 |
| 04:56.21 | roo9 | furrywolf, but if a subdomain was intended to be www.foo.bar.com, it would be in the database as www.foo.bar.com |
| 04:56.29 | jim | herbi_: you need two at minimum, but I think you also need a third one (the one called cd drivers, also containing drivers for disk controllers) |
| 04:56.35 | ethics | nicodein, i would try putting ata-piix at the top of the list in /etc/modules.conf first....reboot see what happens worst case you no different than when you started |
| 04:56.38 | furrywolf | roo9: do a name lookup on both domain and www.domain, and whichever works, use that. or just add both. :) |
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| 04:57.20 | sanxiyn | http://kitenet.net/~joey/blog/entry/why_debian_sarge_wont_release_today-2005-05-24-20-35.html |
| 04:57.33 | jim | then you boot one floppy, it will ask you for a root floppy, put in the second... then get your networking going, it will pull down more of the installer, then you can have it read the driver floppy |
| 04:57.37 | furrywolf | roo9: so why would www.foo.domain be entered with the www, but www.domain not? who made this database, and were they yelled at adaquately? :) |
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| 04:57.45 | nicodein | ethics: but modules are stored on the root partition, aren't they ? |
| 04:57.46 | ethics | nicodein, im not saying you shouldn't compile a kernel if you know what your doing etc but i honestly dont know alot about kernel comiling so i tend not make decisions for people doing it hehe |
| 04:57.55 | shivraj | I'm trying to mount a windows share: but this is what I get: mount: unknown filesystem type 'smbfs' |
| 04:57.56 | deadcat | if you cant find sarge iso. you;'re freakin blind |
| 04:58.14 | roo9 | furrywolf: i currently do add both, this however creates a problem, on the root domains google.com, it works fine but visiting say, google.com/search (if search is a directory) would redirect you to www.google.com/search/ which is fine, but if i visit maps.google.com/search it would now redirect to www.maps.google.com/search/ which causes a problem because www.maps.google.com doesn't exist |
| 04:58.24 | roo9 | furrywolf: i made the database, and it was done this way intentionally |
| 04:58.27 | jim | you don't need to download isos... if you can avoid it you probably should |
| 04:58.34 | sanxiyn | Say no to www. |
| 04:58.43 | egg|nosense | o.o |
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| 04:58.51 | nicodein | ethics: actually I need a new server for centrino support, and for a better support of ipw2200 wifi card |
| 04:58.54 | egg|nosense | me? |
| 04:58.58 | nicodein | s/server/kernel/ |
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| 04:59.08 | jim | unless there's a jigdo image of a netinst... |
| 04:59.17 | ottoaim_ | lol root has landed |
| 04:59.27 | egg|nosense | ottoaim_: me? |
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| 04:59.48 | ottoaim_ | nah like 5 lines up apt:xxxx |
| 04:59.56 | WhiteRabbit | t-minus 5 |
| 05:00.08 | jim | l-minus 5! |
| 05:00.14 | jim | well 6 now |
| 05:00.19 | ethics | nicodein, that would make more sense as a reason to me..... |
| 05:00.29 | furrywolf | btw, www.maps.google.com works. :P |
| 05:00.37 | Solet | deadcat: invalid mode, it gives me 0f00-0f07, 0100 0153-0156, which one do i want? |
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| 05:01.03 | deadcat | Solet: select any. what resolution can your mon do? |
| 05:01.06 | ethics | nicodein: can you tell me the result of uname -r please? |
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| 05:01.36 | Solet | deadcat: i have it at 1024x768 in x, but i dont know what that translates into using col/row instead of px |
| 05:01.48 | sanxiyn | http://no-www.org/ |
| 05:01.56 | deadcat | Solet: 791 should be fine. |
| 05:02.16 | Solet | 791 isnt an option |
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| 05:02.28 | deadcat | Solet: let me see your menu.lst |
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| 05:03.29 | Solet | i cant get to it until i pic a res... |
| 05:03.30 | Solet | what is the default |
| 05:03.39 | deadcat | 0 |
| 05:03.43 | Solet | 80col x 25 row? |
| 05:03.51 | deadcat | doesnt matter |
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| 05:04.29 | Solet | i hit zero at the the prompt and everything is still acting normal |
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| 05:04.49 | bluefox83 | oops.. |
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| 05:05.20 | nicodein | ethics: Linux thepiper 2.6.9-2-686 #1 Sat Jan 8 16:34:52 EST 2005 i686 GNU/Linux |
| 05:05.28 | furrywolf | egg: BASIC is not a language. :P |
| 05:05.38 | bluefox83 | i accidentally clicked "connect" instead of 'connect in new tab" |
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| 05:05.45 | egg|nosense | why? |
| 05:06.00 | egg|nosense | BASIC is powerful |
| 05:06.02 | bluefox83 | so uhm..has anyone here ever compiled doom3 ? |
| 05:06.08 | ethics | nicodein: is this a debian box? new install ? thats an unusual kernel name |
| 05:06.14 | egg|nosense | no. 1 language |
| 05:06.20 | bluefox83 | or know where i could find out how..the readme file is totally crappy |
| 05:06.21 | furrywolf | bluefox: is the source to doom3 available? |
| 05:06.29 | bluefox83 | furrywolf, yep |
| 05:06.30 | nicodein | ethics: it's the debian running on my laptop |
| 05:06.36 | nicodein | since I'm new to linux |
| 05:06.48 | nicodein | a friend of mine compiled it |
| 05:07.02 | Solet | deadcat: http://soletscripts.com/menu.lst |
| 05:07.08 | furrywolf | roo9: the real problem is your database should properly specify which is the main domain... |
| 05:07.18 | nicodein | and now I'm just trying to upgrade to 2.6.11 |
| 05:07.21 | ethics | nicodein, intresting...id say he stripped it out of the kernel |
| 05:07.37 | deadcat | Solet: what the fuck. i told you to vga=791 in the kopt line. do that then update-grub |
| 05:07.38 | nicodein | he what ? |
| 05:07.56 | nicodein | he stripped the symbols ? |
| 05:08.03 | deadcat | Solet: you have hard time following instructions? (= |
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| 05:08.41 | furrywolf | bluefox: you might want to see if it's available precompiled somewhere |
| 05:08.42 | deadcat | Solet: # kopt=root=/dev/hda1 ro <- this line. add vga=791 to the end. then run update-grub |
| 05:09.10 | nunez | when I install nvidia drivers with the one liner |
| 05:09.21 | nunez | Do I put "nvidia" as the Driver in XF config or just "nv"? |
| 05:09.29 | ethics | nunes nvidia |
| 05:10.04 | deadcat | nunez: if you follow the instruction. it would tell you. |
| 05:10.08 | ethics | nunez makesure you have glx installed |
| 05:10.26 | Solet | deadcat: where is 'kopt' at ? |
| 05:10.34 | deadcat | Solet: search the damn file. |
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| 05:10.40 | werner-willem-wo | APWAL ! |
| 05:10.40 | Solet | nvm found it |
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| 05:10.59 | deadcat | werner-willem-wo: GCRAW |
| 05:11.10 | furrywolf | ENGLISH |
| 05:11.13 | prock | gah, sf.net sucks |
| 05:11.15 | nunez | ethics: I load nivida and try to start X and it says it doesnt exist |
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| 05:11.24 | furrywolf | prock: it's been pretty slow tonight... |
| 05:11.25 | werner-willem-wo | prock: its not new |
| 05:11.28 | deadcat | furrywolf: he confused me. so i have to confuse him |
| 05:11.28 | |BaRcOdE|[H] | hey guys, any reason why apt-get is giving me timeouts even if my internet connection is up? |
| 05:11.47 | sanxiyn | |BaRcOdE|[H]: Your mirror's down? |
| 05:11.57 | deadcat | |BaRcOdE|[H]: diff mirror maybe? |
| 05:11.58 | ethics | nunez: modprobe nvidia /nano/etc/modules add nvidia..... |
| 05:12.20 | ethics | nunez: have you got GLX loaded? |
| 05:12.22 | IDC | good morning |
| 05:12.23 | nicodein | ethics: you can ask werner-willem-wo about my kernel name |
| 05:12.27 | |BaRcOdE|[H] | sanxiyn and deadcat: not likely, ftp.debian.org ftp.us.debian.org |
| 05:12.27 | nunez | ethics: I did and its in lsmod's list |
| 05:12.29 | nicodein | he who made it |
| 05:12.37 | nunez | ethics: How do I do that? |
| 05:12.42 | ethics | sec |
| 05:12.55 | egg|nosense | kill |
| 05:13.26 | prock | I keep waiting for debian to gain a monopoly on the OS market |
| 05:13.36 | |BaRcOdE|[H] | how do I set a HTTP Proxy environment variable? so apt-get uses a proxy |
| 05:13.46 | Solet | 'You passed an undefined mode number." |
| 05:14.07 | ethics | nunez: apt-get -t $NVDIST install nvidia-glx |
| 05:14.22 | ethics | nunez: your up to part 2 in this http://home.comcast.net/~andrex/Debian-nVidia/installation.html |
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| 05:14.49 | werner-willem-wo | |BaRcOdE|[H]: export http_proxy=http://user:pass@host:port |
| 05:14.56 | werner-willem-wo | |BaRcOdE|[H]: export ftp_proxy=http://user:pass@host:port |
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| 05:15.08 | |BaRcOdE|[H] | thanks |
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| 05:15.40 | nunez | ethics: I get illegal operation with that command |
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| 05:16.06 | ethics | read the howto....one liner is meant for people who have done it before..... |
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| 05:16.40 | ethics | nunez, $NVDIST should be replaced or removed depending on how you do it....just remove it should work |
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| 05:17.44 | nikunj | Hi, is there any place where i can download old versions of Debian ISO's i.e. 2.x series |
| 05:17.44 | nikunj | Debian 2.2.20 release |
| 05:17.44 | deadcat | good idea to have a near by and the debian main. |
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| 05:18.22 | ethics | nunez: better? |
| 05:18.40 | timt | "PEXExtensionInit: Couldn't open default PEX font file Roman_M" has anyone come across this ?? |
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| 05:18.50 | nunez | ethics: havent tried yet, was reading that html |
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| 05:18.56 | nunez | trying now |
| 05:19.06 | Solet | deadcat: still said it was invalid... i updated menu.lst on the link i gave |
| 05:19.17 | jm_ | timt: ignore it |
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| 05:19.22 | ethics | nunez: kk well let me know how you go... im only here for a few more mins...i did this alot the last few days..5 rebuilds all nvidia |
| 05:19.39 | nikunj | looking for older release of debian plz..can any one tell me where can i find it ? |
| 05:19.49 | deadcat | Solet: what kind of error? |
| 05:20.00 | timt | jm_: just trying to startX looking in the log fie its this appears to be the only error?? |
| 05:20.08 | Solet | 'You passed an undefined mode number." |
| 05:20.12 | nunez | ethics: thanks man, it works now |
| 05:20.18 | nunez | ethics: appreciate it |
| 05:20.20 | deadcat | Solet: try 788 |
| 05:20.24 | nunez | be back in X ;) |
| 05:20.50 | ethics | nunez: 8) np...i did the same thing on 1 box hehe which is why i know that when it tells you no its actually yes but you need this too |
| 05:21.38 | ethics | nunez: happy surfing.....open a command prompt and run glxgears just to prove that glx is running...should get a fps in the 1000s |
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| 05:22.47 | ethics | nunez: 8) np...i did the same thing on 1 box hehe which is why i know that when it tells you no its actually yes but you need this too |
| 05:22.50 | ethics | nunez: happy surfing.....open a command prompt and run glxgears just to prove that glx is running...should get a fps in the 1000s |
| 05:23.35 | nunez | ethics, 4570.600 FPS |
| 05:23.40 | timt | " Could not init font path element unix/:7100, removing from list! " ?? |
| 05:23.46 | ethics | nunes fx6200? |
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| 05:24.15 | furrywolf | what card do you have? |
| 05:24.33 | ethics | i broke 5000 with my pciexpress 6200 |
| 05:24.45 | furrywolf | geforce2 here... |
| 05:24.53 | prock | find ansidecl.h |
| 05:25.01 | |BaRcOdE|[H] | please help: why I do a dpkg -r mailman I get this: cannot remove `/usr/sbin/mmarch': Permission denied |
| 05:25.08 | |BaRcOdE|[H] | any clues??? |
| 05:25.13 | simonrvn | uh, run it as root? |
| 05:25.14 | furrywolf | barcode: are you root? |
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| 05:25.18 | ethics | furrywolf i think in cpu scales your comparing a p2 to a p4 style chip hehe |
| 05:25.21 | |BaRcOdE|[H] | I am root |
| 05:25.24 | nunez | Ether_Man_, FX soemthing, how do I find out? |
| 05:25.30 | Solet | deadcat: same error: "You passed an undefined mode number." |
| 05:25.31 | nunez | ethics, look up |
| 05:25.41 | deadcat | Solet: then i am stump. |
| 05:26.01 | simonrvn | timt: just means you're not running a font server. ignore it |
| 05:26.03 | deadcat | mol is giving me problem since 2.6.11, 2.6.10 was the last one that worked. |
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| 05:26.11 | rixth | Okay. I've just had TWO harddrives fail on me within TWO days (Seagate & Maxtor, both 80gb non SATA). I know this may be off topic, but couldf anyone reccomend a reliable brand? (both drives were less than a year old, so I will be going for a warranty claim...) |
| 05:26.11 | furrywolf | ethics: actually, I used to get over a thousand... installing both an ati and an nvidia card at once breaks BOTH. |
| 05:26.18 | |BaRcOdE|[H] | looks like I can't write/rewrite/edit/delete any executables on /bin or /sbin |
| 05:26.19 | ethics | nunez: sounds like a fx 5200 or fx6200 not much diff |
| 05:26.25 | Solet | deadcat: is there a way i can change which monitor my terminal shows up on? |
| 05:26.28 | Guerin | rixth: no such thing as a reliable brand of ide harddrive |
| 05:26.48 | deadcat | Solet: you have 2 mons? |
| 05:26.51 | simonrvn | |BaRcOdE|[H]: uh, / mounted r/o maybe |
| 05:26.52 | Solet | maybe it will like it better if i use a better card |
| 05:26.53 | Solet | 3 |
| 05:26.55 | ethics | furrywolf, really....mental note...no ati cards in my house .......what do people think is better? ati/nv |
| 05:27.06 | zamolxes | Solet: like in the movie swordfish? |
| 05:27.08 | zamolxes | :> |
| 05:27.10 | deadcat | Solet: dont konw. i have 2 mons and they both show |
| 05:27.10 | furrywolf | fucking worthless proprietary drivers breaks with anything else on the system |
| 05:27.13 | Guerin | i've had good experiences with cheap and shitty oem drives, bad experiences with expensive ones |
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| 05:27.25 | Solet | zamolxes: close |
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| 05:27.30 | Solet | that one has 7 |
| 05:27.30 | deadcat | zamolxes: i think that moron is the best hacker (= |
| 05:27.33 | furrywolf | ethics: I think ATI is better, as the open-source drivers for them are better. |
| 05:27.45 | furrywolf | the nvidia proprietary driver is a fucking piece of nonstandard crap |
| 05:27.47 | Solet | but mine will have 9 when i have the money |
| 05:27.57 | furrywolf | but the xfree86 nv driver is barely accelerated... |
| 05:28.15 | deadcat | furrywolf: nv doesnt accel at all. i cant even do xinerama |
| 05:28.22 | WhiteRabbit | you edit the registry.o file & recompile wala |
| 05:28.36 | furrywolf | deadcat: I thought it at least pretended to be... |
| 05:28.47 | Solet | deadcat how do i change which monitor my terminal shows up on? or is the fact that i have multiple monitors the reason its not working? |
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| 05:28.59 | |BaRcOdE|[H] | simonrvn: /dev/hda6 on / type ext2 (rw,errors=remount-ro) |
| 05:29.01 | deadcat | furrywolf: really? because the nvidia driver for my setup sucks. |
| 05:29.10 | deadcat | Solet: no clue. |
| 05:29.10 | simonrvn | means fuck all |
| 05:29.15 | simonrvn | cat /proc/mounts |
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| 05:29.42 | ethics | furrywolf, intresting...im surprised ati opened up their drivers.....fireGL/glint code wasn't theirs to start with...not that theres prolly much left of it in there |
| 05:29.50 | furrywolf | deadcat: I'm not sure at all, so rtfm rather than trust me on that one... all I know is the nv driver is slow. :P |
| 05:29.52 | |BaRcOdE|[H] | simonrvn: /dev/root / ext2 rw 0 0 |
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| 05:30.03 | furrywolf | ethics: not the ati ones... gatos, r300, etc drivers. |
| 05:30.07 | deadcat | furrywolf: i doubt nv can do xinerama |
| 05:30.09 | rixth | Guerin, what woulkd you suggest then? |
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| 05:30.38 | simonrvn | |BaRcOdE|[H]: could need an fsck or something. kernel and drive might've remounted ro |
| 05:30.39 | furrywolf | isn't xinerama solely a function of the xserver, and has no relation to the hardware? i.e. I can do xinerama between two vga16 displays?... |
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| 05:31.09 | Guerin | rixth: get them replaced on warranty and hope. |
| 05:31.18 | jm_ | rixth: dunno, I've had a few Maxtor drives fail, but my current 120G is holding up so far, I think I'll go for WD for next one |
| 05:31.28 | |BaRcOdE|[H] | simonrvn: what's the safest way to run the fsck? |
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| 05:31.42 | simonrvn | from single user |
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| 05:31.57 | furrywolf | from a rescue floppy. :P |
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| 05:32.44 | ethics | ide & scsi are closer together than ever MTBF......ide vs scsi only diff now is the logic boards drives are actually all the same at 7200....10,000,15,000 RPM drives are not much better on MTBF |
| 05:33.47 | ethics | samsung have a 16Gig Flash based harddisk coming out around end of year thats an intresting item.. |
| 05:34.19 | furrywolf | while we're on the subject of video cards... if I wanted to buy a dual-head card, should I get ATI or nvidia? I have been remarkably disapointed with the crap nvidia releases as drivers... |
| 05:34.36 | Solet | 16gig flash drive... you could heat a room with it if you were constantly transfering data... |
| 05:34.48 | Solet | deadcat: i got it to work |
| 05:34.48 | ethics | furrywolf, monitor monitor? or monto tv? |
| 05:34.57 | |BaRcOdE|[H] | simonrvn: do I have to be in the console or can I run it with ssh? I am really lost at this point, think just screwed my server |
| 05:34.58 | deadcat | Solet: good. |
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| 05:35.06 | Solet | i changed my terminal screen to my nv2 agp instead of my pos pci trident |
| 05:35.07 | furrywolf | ethics: two monitors. I don't own a TV. |
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| 05:35.48 | Solet | oh this is cute... |
| 05:35.53 | jm_ | nvidia drivers crap? you think ATI is any better? I'd say it's even worse |
| 05:35.53 | deadcat | Solet: i see |
| 05:35.59 | Solet | it cuts off the 1st letter of each row in console... |
| 05:36.02 | jm_ | |BaRcOdE|[H]: no, you can't do that remotely |
| 05:36.04 | kullanici | hi.. are there any way to run mirc on linux console (background) ? |
| 05:36.09 | furrywolf | solet: adjust your monitor? |
| 05:36.12 | rixth | jm_, Guerin, WD is top of my list. I found my Maxtor pretty noisy from the beginning. With SATA II coming out soon, I take it you have to have a supported motherboard? |
| 05:36.23 | deadcat | kullanici: console? no |
| 05:36.24 | ethics | furrywolf, i personally would say NV but thats because its the most dominant marketshare.... |
| 05:36.37 | deadcat | kullanici: x you can use wine |
| 05:36.43 | Solet | er nvm was a monitor setting cuttin it off |
| 05:36.45 | furrywolf | jm_: the nvidia drivers seem to intentionally break all other drivers. so if you have an nvidia card, and want to install a second card, the second card had better also be nvidia too, or you're screwed. |
| 05:36.48 | dabreegster | kullanici: a good irc client for the console is irssi-text |
| 05:36.52 | furrywolf | solet: like I said? :P |
| 05:37.00 | kullanici | deadcat i want to run mirc on a server machine for 24/7 |
| 05:37.10 | kullanici | and server don't use x |
| 05:37.11 | jm_ | rixth: should be backwards compatible to old SATA AFAIK - but don't take this for granted, my co-worker had to change hos drive because it didn't work with his (somewhat) old motherboard with SATA |
| 05:37.16 | deadcat | kullanici: maybe try a linux irc client? |
| 05:37.38 | kullanici | deadcat there is a mirc script to my job.. and i can't wrote it for linux clients :( |
| 05:37.47 | deadcat | kullanici: i knew you were gonna say that |
| 05:37.56 | jm_ | furrywolf: ahh, I only have one card - wouldn't it be better to buy a card with two outputs instead of two cards? you can get them both with nVidia and with ATI chips |
| 05:38.06 | ethics | rixth: sata2...shrug sata1 isnt optimized for linux...dont expect sata2 drivers to be any better |
| 05:38.32 | jm_ | haha he wants to run mirc on a server? some server it is |
| 05:38.38 | rixth | ethics, really?! So, maybe I shouldn't get SATA... |
| 05:38.39 | deadcat | kullanici: install some x shits, enough to run vnc or stuff like that. |
| 05:38.49 | Solet | kullanici: i am an avid mirc lover... but its just not stable enough to be kept up that long... maybe some how porting it or emulating it it may be more stable... but your odds arent the best |
| 05:39.18 | ethics | rixth: sata works...but it's not as fast as it should be.... i wouldnt be too worried about sata2...PCI sata1 cards are only $100 aus |
| 05:39.22 | |BaRcOdE|[H] | jm_ then I guess I am screwed |
| 05:39.23 | furrywolf | jm_: right now I have a geforce2 and an ati all-in-wonder... and the drivers don't play nicely. nvidia's drivers seem to clobber glx, making sure any other drive can't use glx... |
| 05:39.30 | furrywolf | s/drive/driver |
| 05:39.34 | kullanici | do you know a good trivia game script for linux clients ? |
| 05:40.19 | kullanici | i found some but some of them very complex and some of them very basic.. |
| 05:40.26 | jm_ | furrywolf: yes, I can imagine that being a problem - seriously, I'd just get a card with dual-DVI/CRT/whatever connectors |
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| 05:40.57 | ethics | furrywolf, what about matrox? you could get an old g450/550 for like $30 |
| 05:41.01 | jm_ | |BaRcOdE|[H]: well such tasks have always required a console, that's why serious servers have management consoles so people can access them remotely |
| 05:41.01 | furrywolf | jm_ : and if I do, will I still be stuck using the same worthless proprietary drivers? I don't like supporting companies that think closed-source crap is acceptable... |
| 05:41.15 | furrywolf | ethics: and what kind of acceleration would they have? |
| 05:41.21 | jm_ | furrywolf: yes, you'll have to use proprietary driver to get all the functionality |
| 05:41.39 | rixth | ethics, so there's nothing inherrently wrong with it, it just won't be 150 mb/s (it isn't on Windows either). Reliability wise, SATA or PATA? |
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| 05:42.07 | cafuego | rixth: As long as you don't buy shit HDs, either is fine. |
| 05:42.14 | ethics | furrywolf, they were directx 7/8 nothing special but its 2 heads on one card and cheap and been used for this stuff before/ |
| 05:42.48 | jm_ | hmm I hope prices for singlecore chips will drop soon, now that both AMD and Intel will release dual-core chips (this and next week) |
| 05:43.06 | ethics | rixth, either works fine...just not top performance drivers yet |
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| 05:44.11 | furrywolf | I want a dual-head card and/or two cards that will play nicely together, with 2d acceleration (and hopefully 3d, even though I don't use it as often), with foss drivers. I'm sick of dealing with worthless proprietary ones that are broken by design... |
| 05:44.27 | jm_ | forget about Matrox if you want 3D :) |
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| 05:44.54 | nikunj | which revision of 2.2 series is equivalent to 2.2.20 ? |
| 05:45.10 | jm_ | nikunj: what do you mean? |
| 05:45.17 | Solet | furrywolf: they are dinosaurs... but i have a couple of old pci trident two meg cards with 3d accelleration they work fine.. not for any sort of gaming.. but for office desktop use they are wonderful |
| 05:45.20 | rixth | cafuego, define shit? |
| 05:45.33 | furrywolf | solet: a bit old. :P |
| 05:45.35 | ethics | furrywolf, take a look at the matrox 450/550 for the dualhead option...had shitty 3d acceleration but they marketed themselves as CAD/Video specialty cards....autocad drivers were the fastest at the time.... |
| 05:45.38 | nikunj | i mean, i was told to get debian 2.2.20, i see downloads available on 2.2 revision numbers |
| 05:45.46 | Solet | furrywolf: 1992 baby |
| 05:45.47 | cafuego | rixth: deathstars etc |
| 05:45.52 | nikunj | so wondering which one to download |
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| 05:45.58 | cafuego | rixth: I prefer WD drives with 8MB cache |
| 05:45.59 | furrywolf | ethics: I don't care about autocad drivers. I care about how they work under X. :P |
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| 05:46.13 | jm_ | 2.2.20 is kernel, Debian 2.2 is ancient, you should really go with 3.1 (testing), or 3.0 if you must |
| 05:46.32 | nikunj | jm_: it is just to reproduce some bug |
| 05:46.52 | nikunj | i use 3.1 for prod.. |
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| 05:47.18 | jm_ | nikunj: well Debian 2.2 was released in 2000, are you sure you want that? |
| 05:47.27 | nikunj | yes.. |
| 05:47.29 | furrywolf | in other words, I'm probably still stuck with the worthless nvidia driver, even if I buy a new dual-head card? |
| 05:47.30 | ethics | furrywolf, goodle may be your friend on x support...you know more about what you need 8) |
| 05:47.43 | jm_ | ok so then you have no choice but download and install that |
| 05:47.49 | rixth | cafuego, I'm thinking of WDs 8mb 160gb SATA one. I like the "FlexPower" feature alot. |
| 05:47.51 | jm_ | furrywolf: indeed |
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| 05:48.13 | PEPE_MX_84 | hola |
| 05:48.18 | ethics | furrywolf, just a couple of suggestions to consider..as i say matrox dualheads were great in their day ...had 2 heads on one card...worked in x and cost about $20-$40 on ebay |
| 05:48.25 | dan[iel] | Has anyone got planeshift running on debian ? |
| 05:49.04 | furrywolf | ethics: my 386-40mhz was considered great in its day too.... |
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| 05:49.30 | furrywolf | it was 40mhz, while everyone else's was 33mhz. :P |
| 05:49.37 | ethics | furrywolf, hehe well lets say 4 years ago.. |
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| 05:49.58 | cafuego | rixth: They should be very nice, fast and quiet. |
| 05:50.01 | ethics | furrywolf, 2d hasnt evolved much |
| 05:50.06 | erps | I have an rsync server up and running.. And am trying to connect to it.. and the task is going to be in a cron job.. So I need to put the password in an external file .. but --password-file=/home/username/rsync.passwd doesn't appear to be working. Any idea? |
| 05:50.09 | ethics | home time.... |
| 05:50.25 | furrywolf | ethics: and what kind of acceleration will these have under X? |
| 05:50.37 | furrywolf | my part-time hobby is raytracing and 3d scene generation... |
| 05:50.47 | cafuego | rixth: it might be a chipset rather then a disk issue, but the WDs have always outperformed identical Seagate drives on my systems. (and i don't really ever bother with other brands) |
| 05:50.47 | nicodein | is there something to do to avoid using initrd at boottime ? |
| 05:51.07 | furrywolf | nicodein: if you compile support for your root fs properly, you have no need for one. |
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| 05:51.16 | rixth | cafuego, WD it is, acoustics is important to me, as my computer is in my room. |
| 05:51.16 | rixth | I want to setup a RAID array. So am I correct, (thinking of RAID 0) that if one drive develops a hardward problem, the other drive will lose all it's data? Is this not the case with RAID 1? |
| 05:51.33 | dan[iel] | Has anyone gotten Planeshift to work in debian if so , would you mind sending me a msg |
| 05:51.35 | nicodein | furrywolf: ok thanks, seems something is still missing |
| 05:51.39 | erps | oh think I figured it out |
| 05:51.55 | cafuego | rixth: indeed. use raid1, raid0 is *bad* with a capital *BAD* |
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| 05:53.00 | rixth | cafuego, anything inherrently wrong with RAID using an onboard chip? (on my MSI mobo) |
| 05:53.07 | furrywolf | I don't even see a matrox driver in man xfree86... |
| 05:53.18 | dan[iel] | Can someone help me get amule running on debian right quick ? |
| 05:53.23 | cafuego | rixth: Yes, onboard chips suck and normally require non-gpl drivers. |
| 05:53.23 | jm_ | furrywolf: man mga |
| 05:53.44 | cafuego | rixth: use the chip in BASE/IDE mode and employ kernel md raid. |
| 05:54.05 | furrywolf | " Support for the second head on G400 |
| 05:54.06 | furrywolf | <PROTECTED> |
| 05:54.22 | furrywolf | "necessary to use the DVI (digital) output on the G550" |
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| 05:54.28 | furrywolf | more proprietary crap |
| 05:54.41 | jm_ | hehe |
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| 05:54.51 | rixth | cafuego, I'll be sure to return here when I've got the correct hardware, I know nothing about disk arrays. |
| 05:55.53 | rixth | http://www.wdc.com/en/products/productkit.asp?DriveID=57 << Sounds good enough for me! |
| 05:56.16 | jm_ | just 160G? |
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| 05:57.01 | furrywolf | ethics: matrox cards also use binary-only modules. I asked for a card WITHOUT proprietary crap being required. |
| 05:57.05 | rixth | Just? I WAS using 80gb. 160gb should be enough for the foreseable (sp?_ future. |
| 05:57.25 | furrywolf | NEXT. :P |
| 05:57.50 | Coke | Is there some utility in Debian that can run as a bg process and issue alarms based on data from an icalendar file? |
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| 05:58.41 | jm_ | Coke: have you ever finished your ical app? |
| 05:58.41 | rixth | 0000:00:0f.0 RAID bus controller: VIA Technologies, Inc. VIA VT6420 SATA RAID Controller (rev 80) << That's my RAID chip |
| 05:59.00 | jm_ | wtf, WD has both 300G and 320G drive, what's the point in that |
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| 05:59.23 | rixth | jm_, pass. Lacie's 2TB NAS look nice, but much to expensive |
| 05:59.36 | furrywolf | jm: might be a major design change between them, with 300 being the top of one design, and 320 the start of a new design, or some such. |
| 05:59.36 | Open_VMS | ofofofofoffo |
| 05:59.52 | jm_ | rixth: I have been considering 200G, but 250G are getting cheaper, and even 300 might be worth buying in autumn |
| 06:00.10 | jm_ | furrywolf: could be, but they're both mentioned in the same category |
| 06:00.25 | rixth | I'm in New Zealand. Here's the best prices we have on offer. http://www.pricespy.co.nz/cat_3.html |
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| 06:00.47 | rixth | Yes, I know, we get ripped off. One NZ dollar = about 73 US cents |
| 06:01.01 | jm_ | same here ;) |
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| 06:02.30 | rixth | jm_, out of interest, how do you get your /whois to say jm@febrile.org (nice site btw ^_^). Mine has some yuck ISP related stuff, even thoguh I own a domain name |
| 06:02.54 | furrywolf | google isn't finding any useful accelerated ati drivers... |
| 06:03.00 | rixth | I don't particularly want my Ip releaved. |
| 06:03.45 | rixth | Also, what is the difference between WD's RAID edition and normal WD drives? |
| 06:03.48 | jm_ | rixth: you can get it masked on freenode if you have a valid reason or somesuch |
| 06:04.28 | rixth | Who would one contact? |
| 06:04.38 | jm_ | rixth: as for febrile, I only have a shell account on it - the trick is that you need both forward and reverse entries point to it, because that's what IRC servers want |
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| 06:05.09 | jm_ | rixth: no idea, check freenode web pages and ask in #staff or somesuch, and let me know what the result will be :) |
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| 06:05.37 | rixth | jm_, will do. I'm off to eat now. |
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| 06:06.43 | jm_ | furrywolf: there's ATI + Debian HOWTO from someone named Flavio, maybe it's worth reading |
| 06:06.50 | furrywolf | ok, different question. are there ANY open source accelerated drivers, for any card on the planet? :P |
| 06:07.09 | rixth | Right before I go, how cna I unlock my cd drive? |
| 06:07.19 | jm_ | rixth: umount |
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| 06:07.59 | Solet-deb | how do i change file type associations? |
| 06:08.16 | Solet-deb | i want my .php's to open with bluefish not gedit |
| 06:08.31 | deadcat | Solet-deb: config bluefish |
| 06:08.57 | rixth | I don't know where it's mounted. |
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| 06:09.20 | glick | excuse me how do i use image magic to turn a png into a jpeg? |
| 06:09.32 | deadcat | glick: convert |
| 06:09.44 | furrywolf | this is fucking pathetic. from what I can tell, there aren't any useful accelerated open-source drivers, for any video card, ever. |
| 06:09.53 | furrywolf | convert foo.png bar.jpg |
| 06:09.54 | rob_lt | Solet-deb, are you using gnome? |
| 06:10.02 | Solet-deb | rob_lt: yes |
| 06:10.21 | jm_ | mount will tell you if it's mounted and where |
| 06:10.58 | rob_lt | Solet-deb, open up the Solet's home icon, or nautilus, and right click on a .php file. Then go to properties -> open with |
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| 06:11.41 | rixth | Apparently it's not mounted. It's an sudio disc, tjhe drive is spinning at full sopeed and I cant open the tray |
| 06:11.46 | Solet | rob_lt: will that make it open all the php's with bluefish always and forever? |
| 06:11.53 | rob_lt | rixth, you can't mount an audio disc |
| 06:12.04 | jm_ | rixth: try using eject |
| 06:12.07 | rob_lt | Solet, I believe, yes.. just try it and find out. |
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| 06:12.28 | Solet | yay it works... |
| 06:12.41 | Solet | and chatzilla is VERY unstable... incase anyone didnt already know |
| 06:13.03 | rixth | ~/Desktop/wxGTK-2.6.0$ eject -r |
| 06:13.05 | rixth | eject: unable to eject, last error: Input/output error |
| 06:13.10 | rob_lt | rixth, as root |
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| 06:13.31 | tico | hello what's the best command to see the ip? |
| 06:13.40 | HllywdW | ifconfig |
| 06:13.50 | tico | thax |
| 06:14.00 | HllywdW | np |
| 06:14.10 | rob_lt | rixth, just eject /dev/hdc or whatever, as root |
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| 06:14.27 | rixth | Ah yes, thank you |
| 06:15.01 | HllywdW | I like Debian better than Redhat |
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| 06:15.22 | HllywdW | it just works better |
| 06:15.25 | Solet-deb | HllywdW: duh? |
| 06:15.27 | Solet-deb | :P |
| 06:16.11 | HllywdW | I've been messing around with Redhat and it just doesn't work RPMs seem broken |
| 06:16.28 | skinny | hi there! How could I have the checksum "md5sum" of a CD that it contains dirs / subdirs and files? :-) |
| 06:16.30 | simonrvn | they often are |
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| 06:16.36 | HllywdW | Well for Fedora Core that is |
| 06:16.42 | simonrvn | skinny: you run md5sum |
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| 06:16.58 | skinny | simonrvn, yes I run md5sum |
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| 06:17.28 | simonrvn | use a for loop or find and xargs |
| 06:17.57 | skinny | but I am not able to do the checksum of all dirs and subdirs and files of the full cd |
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| 06:18.02 | jm_ | or use a decent shell and its globbing capabilities ;) |
| 06:18.08 | simonrvn | ;) |
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| 06:18.45 | rob_lt | skinny, you want to md5sum a whole CD? md5sum /dev/hdc |
| 06:18.46 | furrywolf | this is sad. I've been googling for what? an hour now? and the only answer seems to be there is NO free 3d acceleration. |
| 06:18.48 | furrywolf | for any card. |
| 06:19.07 | simonrvn | there isn't |
| 06:19.18 | MobyTurbo | furrywolf: dri.sf.net |
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| 06:19.23 | rob_lt | skinny, or whatever you cd device is |
| 06:19.58 | MobyTurbo | furrywolf: but I'll warn you, older ATI card's open source 3D acceleration is inferior to closed source drivers |
| 06:19.59 | furrywolf | mobyturbo: poor card support |
| 06:19.59 | skinny | rob_lt, the command you wrote does the checksum in a single output of the CD. I need the checksum output of all files of the CD :-) |
| 06:20.13 | jm_ | so do what you've been told to do |
| 06:20.42 | MobyTurbo | furrywolf: then you'll have to make a choice, poor 3D acceleration and ideological purity, or closed source drivers with better acceleration. |
| 06:20.56 | rob_lt | skinny, I misunderstood what you where going for |
| 06:21.11 | MobyTurbo | furrywolf: of course, if you have an nvidia card you don't even get that choice. |
| 06:21.33 | furrywolf | I have a geforce2 card... hardly something valuable enough I wouldn't replace it. |
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| 06:21.52 | MobyTurbo | I have a TNT2 M64 |
| 06:21.58 | Solet | hrm... that guy that wanted the trivia bot for linux left it seems... i was gonna be able to make him one hell of a deal on a php bot... |
| 06:22.01 | rixth | FX500 yay |
| 06:22.05 | rixth | 5200* |
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| 06:23.08 | furrywolf | and dri.sf.net doesn't support pci matrox cards? wtf? lol |
| 06:23.37 | Solet-deb | furrywolf: you run multi head? |
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| 06:23.42 | furrywolf | solet: yep |
| 06:23.45 | technos | MobyTurbo: That card isn't exactly hot.. So long as it throws pixels on the screen in less time than I could draw it with a magic marker it's doing just fine for it's age. |
| 06:23.51 | skinny | rob_lt, :-) I need the checksum of all the files that are in a CD-data. It has lots of directory / subdir and files... I don't want a single output of all cd-data, but the checksums of every files inside the cd! |
| 06:23.57 | MobyTurbo | technos: rofl |
| 06:24.02 | Solet-deb | furrywolf: when you drop to console: do your non console monitors flicker funny colors? |
| 06:24.16 | rob_lt | I was on a daytraders site, and they had an awsome trivia bot, that would start to complete the answer character by character, and would keep score. |
| 06:24.36 | furrywolf | solet: no, they display the version of the video bios on the card. but I'd imagine this is a vendor/card specific thing. |
| 06:25.06 | Solet | rob_lt, i know but it was prolly in mirc script.. he needed something linux could run... and a php bot is more stable than anything client based any day |
| 06:25.38 | Solet-deb | can screenshots be taken in console? |
| 06:26.05 | jm_ | text mode console? sure |
| 06:26.20 | Solet-deb | jm: of all monitors |
| 06:26.23 | erps | Gah! Ok, trying to use rsync... and I keep getting: rsync: connection unexpectedly closed (0 bytes received so far) [receiver] \n rsync error: error in rsync protocol data stream (code 12) at io.c(420) \n and not finding any really decent notes on what's causing it. |
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| 06:26.35 | jm_ | Solet-deb: what monitors? |
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| 06:26.48 | simonrvn | skinny: ffs, i already said what you could do with that. go do it. man find, man xargs |
| 06:27.07 | Solet-deb | in x i have a 3 head system, i wanna take a screen shot of what the other 2 do when i drop to console to show people to see if i can get help with it |
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| 06:27.49 | skinny | simonrvn, sorry to disturb you! but if I try to ask help inside here, it's 'cause I did not find an answer on google or with "man" |
| 06:28.03 | jm_ | ahh you should be able to do DISPLAY=foo import -window root lala.png or whatever |
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| 06:28.29 | simonrvn | it's not like it's hard. you do a search for everything with find, and pipe it to md5sum via xargs |
| 06:28.30 | technos | Solet: Why not just cut and paste the text? Or pipe the output to a text file.. A screenshot is worth a thousand words, but a thousand words isn't 400kb. :) |
| 06:28.35 | Solet-deb | jm is FOO the monitors number? |
| 06:28.46 | jm_ | Solet-deb: no, it's DISPLAY number for a particular monitor |
| 06:28.49 | Solet-deb | technos: its not text, its color gibberish lines |
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| 06:29.16 | furrywolf | solet: in text-mode the video cards probably are uninitialized, and just do random crap... |
| 06:29.17 | jm_ | hmm it's questionable if taking a screenshot will show those |
| 06:29.22 | technos | Solet: Oh, from flipping out of X? That crap won't screenshot anyway. |
| 06:29.23 | Solet-deb | jm: how do i find the screens number |
| 06:29.52 | Solet-deb | technos: aha. furrywolf: any ideas on fixing it? |
| 06:29.55 | furrywolf | solet: no one cares what uninitialized/unused video cards are doing. :P |
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| 06:30.10 | Solet-deb | furrywolf: it hurts my eyes |
| 06:30.13 | furrywolf | how would you define fixing it? making them all black? they have a button on the front that does that... |
| 06:31.03 | Solet-deb | furry: the button is on the back on one :P and i'n not gonna shut off 2 crt's for 5 mins while i'm fixing crap in console just to get up and turn them back on again... |
| 06:31.26 | furrywolf | get X10 controllers and have a pushbutton next to you? :P |
| 06:31.43 | Solet-deb | is there a way i can make my console clone it self on all available screens |
| 06:31.49 | furrywolf | how often are you in console? I doubt I'm in console more than 5 minutes a month on average, excluding fresh installs... |
| 06:31.56 | Solet-deb | x10? |
| 06:32.20 | Solet-deb | furrywolf: i'm still setting this install up trying to get it perfect for what i need |
| 06:33.13 | furrywolf | it looks like I can get marginal 3d acceleration and half-assed dual-head support on radeons up to and including the 9250. |
| 06:33.20 | Solet-deb | in a month or so it will hopefully be perfect, and you guys will hear very little from me for a pretty long time |
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| 06:33.54 | furrywolf | grr. and 3d acceleration is broken on dual-heads. |
| 06:33.59 | Coke | jm_: naw, moth bagged. |
| 06:34.00 | furrywolf | so I can get unaccelerated 3d. |
| 06:34.15 | Solet-deb | furrywolf: i heard some where that the ati aiw 9800 had linux support but i never bothered to validate the information |
| 06:34.28 | Solet-deb | er s/9800/9800pro |
| 06:34.34 | directhex | Solet-deb, 2d-only, or 3d with a closed-source driver |
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| 06:34.58 | directhex | Solet-deb, the AIW part doesn't work, too |
| 06:35.00 | Coke | jm_: since I started working at the university I haven't had any time nor strength for using the computer at home. my superb machine is for UT2004 and pr0n only these days. |
| 06:35.13 | Solet-deb | yeah but its a factory driver... why need open source drivers? |
| 06:35.23 | Solet-deb | then fuck the aiw and just get the 9800kpro |
| 06:35.25 | Solet-deb | -k |
| 06:35.35 | Solet-deb | its the same chipset |
| 06:35.37 | directhex | um |
| 06:35.37 | Coke | jm_: but I still want a CLI utility for ical and the bg process, so maybe I should reopen the ol' project. |
| 06:35.40 | jm_ | Coke: I thought university jobs give you lots of time to surf, IRC and code for yourself ;) |
| 06:35.41 | directhex | that's retarded |
| 06:35.42 | furrywolf | because the proprietary drivers are total crap? |
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| 06:35.55 | Coke | jm_: ha! :) |
| 06:35.59 | directhex | ati's binary drivers suck |
| 06:36.09 | Solet-deb | furrywolf: what driver could be better than the one made by the manufacturer? |
| 06:36.27 | furrywolf | solet: for ATI? a screwdriver is supposedly better than the ati driver... |
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| 06:36.31 | directhex | Solet-deb, one that installs okay, has no memory leaks, doesn't crash, and performs acceptably |
| 06:36.35 | Coke | jm_: turns out that the same politics that control corporations work the same way in any organisation. |
| 06:36.39 | furrywolf | lol |
| 06:36.42 | directhex | Solet-deb, none of the above apply to fglrx by ati |
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| 06:36.53 | Solet-deb | ROFL |
| 06:36.56 | Solet-deb | wait... |
| 06:37.15 | directhex | Solet-deb, there's a reason all linux gamers use nvidia |
| 06:37.16 | Solet-deb | are ati and micro$oft incorporated some how because i'm noticing similarities |
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| 06:37.24 | simonrvn | Coke: no fucking kidding. i aprtly blame neo-liberalism for doing the "everything is a business" crap |
| 06:37.48 | deadcat | directhex: linux gamers? you mean those guys who play tetris? (= |
| 06:37.56 | Coke | simonrvn: hm, you mean libertarianism? |
| 06:38.05 | simonrvn | no i don't |
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| 06:38.12 | furrywolf | apparently there's a patch do get 3d working on dualhead, but you are limited to 1024x768, and must use mergedfb (one big screen, a la xinerama), which I don't like or use. |
| 06:38.12 | Solet-deb | deadcat: that wasnt nice :P |
| 06:38.14 | technos | Solet-deb: Who do you think sells Microsoft all those cheesy video chips for their consoles? |
| 06:38.15 | directhex | deadcat, http://www.hexus.net/content/reviews/review.php?dXJsX3Jldmlld19JRD0xMDEx |
| 06:38.31 | directhex | technos, nvidia, currently |
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| 06:38.37 | Coke | simonrvn: ok. in US english a liberal is a left-wing-near-communist bastard. :) |
| 06:38.39 | Solet-deb | furrywolf: so rewrite the patch? |
| 06:38.55 | furrywolf | solet: like I have the skills to write a video driver? and I saw a mention of an NDA. |
| 06:39.14 | simonrvn | you need some real political education then, and not the pap you get fed from mainstream media |
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| 06:39.18 | Coke | simonrvn: at least that's what the republicans make it |
| 06:39.43 | Coke | simonrvn: are you from the US? |
| 06:39.50 | simonrvn | no |
| 06:39.53 | jm_ | Coke: he's from the US province |
| 06:39.55 | technos | directhex: Hrm.. I thought it was ATI last time, and ATI in the new one too.. Then again, I can count the number of seconds I've actually played one of those things (or cared to pay any attention to one) on no fingers. |
| 06:39.57 | simonrvn | my wike is |
| 06:40.05 | simonrvn | wife* |
| 06:40.18 | Coke | simonrvn: well, a liberal is to the left. A libertarian is someone who beleivs that the state should do as near to nothing as possible. |
| 06:40.20 | Solet-deb | left wing? comunist? ok talk about night and fucking day |
| 06:40.28 | simonrvn | jm_: no fucking kidding. with deep integration, that's gonna be true |
| 06:40.30 | Solet-deb | !smite simonrvn |
| 06:40.38 | rob_lt | skinny, I have an ugly solution to your md5sum problem if you want it. |
| 06:40.42 | directhex | technos, the xbox 360 and nintendo revolutioon will use ati parts, the playstation 3 is nvidia based. on the current generation, the playstation 2 is neither, the gamecube is ati, the xbox is nvidia |
| 06:40.51 | MobyTurbo | simonrvn: in the US, "liberal" means left-wing while elsewhere it means libertarianism, right-wing |
| 06:40.57 | simonrvn | Coke: yes, i know. and it's more fine grained than that |
| 06:41.11 | jm_ | simonrvn: what a shame, another nice country getting fucked up |
| 06:41.40 | simonrvn | "nice". ask immigrants, refugees, and natives what they think ;) |
| 06:41.46 | guorke__ | <PROTECTED> |
| 06:41.46 | Coke | simonrvn: ofcourse. isn't everything, though? |
| 06:41.48 | jm_ | well used to be |
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| 06:42.21 | jm_ | my aunt moved to Canada after the crap in ex-Yugoslavia was over |
| 06:42.29 | Coke | jm_: the organisation I work in is run as a company. we invoice the other institutions for our work and we aim at break even. |
| 06:42.45 | streuner | guorke__: What does 'dpkg -l libc6 | tail -1' say? |
| 06:42.53 | simonrvn | superficially it looks good, but there's skeletons in 'dem closets |
| 06:42.59 | technos | directhex: Ah ha. Welp, I knwe about the Gamecube.. The one in the livingroom has an ATI sticker on it. |
| 06:43.29 | guorke__ | no found dpkg |
| 06:44.03 | streuner | guorke__: go to ##linux or #distro_what_you_actually_use |
| 06:44.05 | jm_ | Coke: well universities do make some money like that, and it's hard for them not to do it with governments giving less and less money for education |
| 06:44.36 | simonrvn | jm_: http://simonraven.nuit.ca/banners.shtml and look at the "no to deep integration" link |
| 06:44.52 | guorke__ | thanks |
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| 06:45.22 | deadcat | simonrvn: i am having trouble with mol |
| 06:45.32 | simonrvn | bad mol, bad! |
| 06:45.39 | Coke | jm_: yep. but why do they have to do the same non-scientific wild assed guessing? the universities in Sweden educate people in Microsoft products and Java because they claim that's what the market wants and the market wants the same thing because they claim that's what people know. See where I'm getting at? :) |
| 06:45.39 | furrywolf | looks like the only option for open source acceleration is an old radeon card with 3d on only one display |
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| 06:46.05 | gteppel | Are there any facilties in Linux or third party software that will allow you to 'merge' two hard drives. Meaning is it possible to make two hard drives appear as one under a mount point |
| 06:46.18 | furrywolf | gteppel: RAID |
| 06:46.29 | Coke | jm_: in the end, what it means is that I end up programming web applications in Java, and that (and being this subtle about it takes great strength) sucks. |
| 06:46.31 | gteppel | besides RAID?, my mobo doesn't support it |
| 06:46.36 | furrywolf | software raid |
| 06:46.41 | deadcat | simonrvn: http://sshonly.sytes.net/tmp/mol.error.2.6.11.7 |
| 06:46.49 | rob_lt | skinny: find /path/to/cd/ | xargs md5sum 2>&1 | sed -e "s|^error.*||g" |
| 06:46.57 | Coke | although I do run Debian. now. pity that the base OS for the organisation isn't. |
| 06:46.58 | technos | gteppel: Linux does software RAID |
| 06:47.26 | directhex | gteppel, software raid, or logical volumes. sarge will do either, right from the installer |
| 06:47.27 | gteppel | technos: sweet :) are there any performance drawbacks when compared to just having two single hd's |
| 06:47.52 | directhex | gteppel, raid 0 should be faster then 2 disks on their own, though carries higher risk to data |
| 06:48.10 | technos | gteppel: Software raid generally performs better in st.. What he said. |
| 06:48.22 | simonrvn | deadcat: debian mol-modules-source? |
| 06:48.51 | deadcat | simonrvn: yeep |
| 06:48.57 | gteppel | technos: st? |
| 06:49.08 | Coke | furrywolf: do you have to run the radeon chipset? |
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| 06:49.27 | deadcat | deadcat: 2.6.10 was the last version that worked. |
| 06:49.53 | simonrvn | deadcat: i remember mol having such a problem a while ago. |
| 06:50.00 | Coke | deadcat: talking to one self is a sign of either too much or to little coffee. |
| 06:50.03 | technos | gteppel: Was halfway through typing striped mode when I saw directhex had already given the answer |
| 06:50.10 | Coke | Coke: isn't it? time for more coffe? yes. |
| 06:50.23 | deadcat | Coke: DOH (= |
| 06:50.45 | jm_ | Coke: it's the same here - plus people that get out of university can do jack all of real work |
| 06:50.51 | rj` | 2.6.10 was the last kernel to work for me .. |
| 06:51.07 | rj` | after that with .11 logging into gdm froze my system |
| 06:51.08 | rj` | :[ |
| 06:51.15 | gteppel | well guys thank you for all your help! |
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| 06:51.45 | ultraviolet16 | Hello, I wanted to install debian sarge from FTP or HTTP. I have woody minimal isntall on cd and was wondering If I should install that with only base system then use aptitude to do upgrade. |
| 06:51.47 | simonrvn | i'm on 2.6.11.10... working out ok so far. haven't built any of my usual external modules yet though |
| 06:51.56 | Coke | jm_: yep. why is that the same story everywhere? |
| 06:52.01 | simonrvn | ultraviolet16: sure |
| 06:52.19 | cahoot | Coke: the same storytellers? |
| 06:52.27 | deadcat | simonrvn: hmm. maybe i will try one without fbsplash or something. |
| 06:52.33 | furrywolf | Coke: "do you have to run the radeon chipset?". other options? |
| 06:52.56 | Coke | jm_: I mean, we have some absolutely BRILLIANT people working here that studied previously to working here, but they were good even before starting studies and they spend more time in front of the computer at home than anywhere else. |
| 06:53.02 | deadcat | simonrvn: whos ass? |
| 06:53.10 | ultraviolet16 | I just installed sarge using that method after installing woody almost full.. with x serv and all that... im afraid though that not everything was updated. anyway to find out? |
| 06:53.13 | directhex | ultraviolet16, i'd STRONGLY recommend using the sarge install cd instead |
| 06:53.16 | simonrvn | what Coke and jm_ are talking about |
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| 06:53.21 | deadcat | o |
| 06:53.25 | Coke | furrywolf: nvidia. their Linux-driver is really good and it has become pretty stable. |
| 06:53.34 | rj` | NFS writes are so slow for me -- any special options i can enable to tune NFS -- im unrarring a 500mb rar file on a nfs mount and its basically got the entire system slowed down |
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| 06:53.55 | simonrvn | ultraviolet16: yeh, using a sarge cd would be better, but if that's all you have i'd do it how you described |
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| 06:53.57 | ultraviolet16 | you think its worth it to just get the cd's then do the direct all over from the sarge cd's? |
| 06:54.05 | furrywolf | coke: the nvidia driver has been cause of 99% of the video-related crap I've had to deal with (the other 1% being the gatos kernel module). |
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| 06:54.20 | ultraviolet16 | the thing is that I already have this set up |
| 06:54.23 | Coke | furrywolf: well, from experience, it works better. |
| 06:54.25 | furrywolf | worthless driver that intentionally breaks other drivers |
| 06:54.26 | ultraviolet16 | well... |
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| 06:54.31 | ultraviolet16 | i have a burner.. but so broke.. lol |
| 06:54.34 | ultraviolet16 | not even for cd's |
| 06:54.35 | zamolxes | furrywolf: what's wrong with the gatos kernel module? :) |
| 06:54.46 | Coke | furrywolf: all my friends who owns ATI's have switched in order to have a hazzle free afternoon with Doom3 and HL2. |
| 06:54.46 | directhex | furrywolf, nvidia's driver is infinitely more stable, simple, supported, and speedy, than fglrx - in my experience, anyway |
| 06:54.49 | furrywolf | zamolxes: instant lockup attempting to capture. |
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| 06:55.02 | furrywolf | directhex: I wasn't planning on using fglrx. |
| 06:55.23 | simonrvn | furrywolf: hell, i enabled rivafb for the tnt2 agp card i have on the x86, and the nvidia kernel mod build process asked me to disable rivafb since there's some stupid clash... ffs |
| 06:55.37 | zamolxes | furrywolf: can the bug be reproduced? incidently my OS professor wrote it :) |
| 06:55.38 | Coke | cahoot: tell me a different story then. :) |
| 06:55.43 | ultraviolet16 | OK Im going to run install of SARGE from cd images tomorrow |
| 06:55.47 | ultraviolet16 | thanks |
| 06:55.54 | furrywolf | simon: the nvidia driver kills glx on my ati card... |
| 06:56.20 | ultraviolet16 | but one more thing. I noticed there are several xservers for different video cards. I didn't notice any for nvidia |
| 06:56.22 | furrywolf | zamolxes: it can be reproduced by me and every other person who posted about it on the gatos devel list... |
| 06:56.28 | zamolxes | ah |
| 06:56.42 | directhex | ultraviolet16, those are for xfree86 3. you do NOT want to use those, unless you absolutely have to |
| 06:56.43 | simonrvn | ultraviolet16: that's xfree v 3. you want 4 |
| 06:56.49 | jm_ | simonrvn: I also have high school education only - I'm missing some 5 exams to finish faculty, but it's a pain in the ass once you work full-time |
| 06:56.53 | zamolxes | ok then, i thought it's just a weird thing |
| 06:57.07 | ultraviolet16 | how do i know what version I have installed right now |
| 06:57.28 | InitMass | is there any open source software which can be used for a hardware database (list availible hardware in a store) |
| 06:57.29 | InitMass | ? |
| 06:57.36 | simonrvn | jm_: well, i'm working in the non-profit org. "sector", and i haven't found that to be an obstacle |
| 06:57.40 | directhex | InitMass, vi! |
| 06:57.40 | furrywolf | zamolxes: the released version didn't even use the correct IRQ... the cvs uses the right irq, and instantly locks up when you start a capture. |
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| 06:57.54 | ultraviolet16 | command, like "info xserv" |
| 06:58.11 | directhex | X --version, i expect. |
| 06:58.24 | Coke | InitMass: what do you want? any database or some specific product to manage storage? |
| 06:58.39 | jm_ | simonrvn: it's a big obstacle if you want a government based job here, because they pay based on your education - there's just loads of stupidity involved ;) |
| 06:58.48 | ultraviolet16 | OK thanks |
| 06:58.53 | ultraviolet16 | byebye |
| 06:58.54 | furrywolf | not using the right irq is very high up on my list of "programmeg by monkeys" signs. |
| 06:58.57 | simonrvn | jm_: sounds familiar ;) |
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| 06:59.09 | furrywolf | programmed |
| 06:59.20 | directhex | furrywolf, wolves don't like monkeys? |
| 06:59.29 | jm_ | InitMass: you can find it on freshmeat |
| 06:59.41 | InitMass | Coke, a software which can work with a database to list hardware |
| 06:59.51 | furrywolf | directhex: we don't like monkeys that write drivers that can't figure out which irq their card is on. |
| 06:59.55 | zamolxes | InitMass: isn't that a 5 minute lamp job? |
| 06:59.56 | InitMass | directhex, something more advanced is prefered |
| 07:00.06 | skinny | rob_lt, :-) it seems to work! Just I do not understand where is the output file! |
| 07:00.15 | InitMass | jm_, i don't know what to search for |
| 07:00.19 | InitMass | jm_, the search term |
| 07:00.33 | technos | Try "inventory management" |
| 07:00.41 | jm_ | InitMass: inventory |
| 07:01.05 | zamolxes | furrywolf: well i'll know what to tell him at my next exam "who're you to grade me?" :) |
| 07:01.05 | furrywolf | lol |
| 07:01.07 | InitMass | zamolxes, no it's not about lamp. it's more about handle what's in |
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| 07:01.18 | alexmacy | hi |
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| 07:01.34 | furrywolf | more googling... still looks like only old radeon cards have any free acceleration support. |
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| 07:02.19 | directhex | furrywolf, well duh. there are no free drivers for any GPU beyond the ati r200, which stopped being relevant to the market 2 years ago |
| 07:02.29 | InitMass | jm_, thank you for that term. it was exactly what i was lookin for |
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| 07:02.58 | furrywolf | directhex: which is sad. how does linux expect to ever be accepted on the desktop when the only video drivers are worthless proprietary crap? |
| 07:03.09 | directhex | furrywolf, well, that said, the onboard intel graphics on my laptop have free 3d aceleration (assuming xorg is used) |
| 07:03.18 | deadcat | should i use dd to backup a partition? my /home |
| 07:03.30 | zamolxes | InitMass: lamp is linux-apache-mysql-perl/python/php (yet another acronym) |
| 07:03.30 | srid | shift+numlock enables numpad to be used for mouse navigation *temporarily* for a few minutes. How enable it permanently? |
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| 07:04.00 | directhex | no speed difference between a 9200 and the i915, though |
| 07:04.04 | InitMass | zamolxes, yes, i know but i was lookin for a software to connect to lamp |
| 07:04.29 | jm_ | srid: for a few minutes? I thought it stays enabled until you turn it off |
| 07:04.35 | zamolxes | aham! a lamp interface :) |
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| 07:04.44 | directhex | InitMass, a web browser |
| 07:04.51 | furrywolf | a lamp interface... I think I have a few of those in my box of x10 modules. :P |
| 07:04.59 | srid | jm_, no, I have to press shift+numlock after sometime |
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| 07:05.18 | srid | i want to use '5' for right click |
| 07:05.24 | srid | so I press '*' and then '5' |
| 07:05.30 | srid | but only '5' from next time onwards |
| 07:05.37 | directhex | huzzah, off to work |
| 07:05.44 | srid | err.. no '*', ... '-' |
| 07:05.53 | InitMass | directhex, my boss wants something more difficult ;) |
| 07:06.18 | furrywolf | bbl. :) |
| 07:06.20 | jm_ | srid: let's see if it will switch off ofr me |
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| 07:07.30 | zamolxes | whoa ! ggg?G is rot13 in vi :)) |
| 07:07.32 | FinnTux | morning/evening everyone |
| 07:07.35 | dan[iel] | morning |
| 07:07.44 | Segosa | in which file is the network configuration kept, and where are the file associations stored? |
| 07:07.52 | dan[iel] | is there anyway to reset the clock in debian through console ? |
| 07:07.55 | mrnull | This might sound insanely dumb, but is there anyway to use an XP driver on debian? There's the custom driver I'm dieing for |
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| 07:08.08 | furrywolf | dan: man date |
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| 07:08.24 | furrywolf | mrnull: unlikely. |
| 07:08.53 | furrywolf | what's the driver for? |
| 07:08.57 | jm_ | dan[iel]: /msg dpkg set time |
| 07:09.07 | furrywolf | dan: don't message people. |
| 07:09.07 | Zta | Could someone please tell me once and for all what it means when I get insmod: [...]somemodule.o: unresolved symbol somesymbol |
| 07:09.17 | Zta | ..and how to fix it =) |
| 07:09.18 | jm_ | it means you should not use insmod |
| 07:09.20 | mrnull | furrywolf: It's a custom driver for a wireless networking card. Lets it communicate with the Nintendo DS |
| 07:09.20 | tra1a1a | sagos: /etc/network/interfaces, and there isn't any standard for file associations |
| 07:09.24 | technos | furrywolf: Do what I do.. Hit the used hardware shop, dig in the $5 and under bin, and fish out a few $1 Matrox. |
| 07:09.27 | Segosa | lol tra1a1a |
| 07:09.34 | tra1a1a | Segosa : /etc/network/interfaces, and there isn't any standard for file associations |
| 07:09.36 | Segosa | ;) |
| 07:09.38 | Segosa | thanks |
| 07:09.48 | furrywolf | technos: the matrox cards require a proprietary binary module to do dual-head. |
| 07:09.54 | tra1a1a | Segosa: what do you use? kde? |
| 07:09.55 | jm_ | mailcap should be used for associations |
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| 07:10.10 | Segosa | tra1a1a: gnome |
| 07:10.18 | Zta | It's a module I've cross-compiled to another target system than the host. It compiled fine, but aparrently doesn't load. |
| 07:10.22 | mrnull | furrywolf: I heard SUSE or Redhat had some new XP library support. Was hoping it'd come our way |
| 07:10.25 | jm_ | mrnull: checked ndiswrapper? |
| 07:10.41 | tra1a1a | Segosa: dunno for gnome but you should check the nautilus settings |
| 07:10.43 | mrnull | jm_: nope, I'll google |
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| 07:10.45 | Segosa | okay |
| 07:10.45 | furrywolf | for a wireless card, you might get lucky... ndiswrapper or something like that. |
| 07:10.48 | Segosa | thanks |
| 07:10.56 | cafuego | dondelelcaro: are you around? |
| 07:10.57 | technos | furrywolf: Hmm? Oh, you mean the new ones. The old ones, no. I used to have three G200 stuffed in a box and used nothing more than the standard open drivers on it. |
| 07:11.39 | furrywolf | technos: g400 and over require a matrox-provided binary driver. |
| 07:11.57 | dan[iel] | Anyone know a good P2p program for debian seeing as how limewire isnt available ? |
| 07:12.17 | cahoot | furrywolf: is that so? |
| 07:12.34 | jm_ | chao;it is for certain "advanced" features |
| 07:12.37 | tra1a1a | dan[iel]: bittorrent |
| 07:12.37 | jm_ | cahoot ^^^^^ |
| 07:12.42 | furrywolf | cahoot: man mga, or check the dri.sf.net page for matrox cards. |
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| 07:13.17 | furrywolf | jm: advanced features like... *gasp*! making use of that second plug on the back of the card! or... *gasp*! using the DVI connector at all! |
| 07:13.47 | mrnull | dan: gtk-gnutella, same thing really |
| 07:14.14 | mrnull | jm, wolf: thanks for the tip |
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| 07:15.06 | FinnTux | what would be your recommendation for a webmail software? |
| 07:15.09 | jm_ | furrywolf: hehe |
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| 07:15.12 | ircdevil | is "journal of applied physics" a central of nerds? i would expect it so - and yet there fucking webpage requires cookies. |
| 07:15.20 | furrywolf | jm: I don't call those advanced. :) |
| 07:15.26 | ircdevil | !lart JAP lozers! |
| 07:15.38 | FinnTux | squirrelmail? openwebmail? |
| 07:15.42 | jm_ | furrywolf: yeah, that's why I used quotes |
| 07:16.00 | furrywolf | heh :) |
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| 07:16.45 | furrywolf | so it still looks like my only option is an old radeon card. good thing I don't game... |
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| 07:17.18 | furrywolf | I'm surprised no one has "leaked" the proper documentation to the xfree86 guys yet. |
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| 07:17.30 | dan[iel] | i use my DVI converter on my 9600 |
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| 07:20.51 | dan[iel] | SPAM! |
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| 07:21.15 | dan[iel] | odd |
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| 07:21.15 | technos_ | Whee! |
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| 07:21.18 | Dan | ls |
| 07:21.18 | Dan | doh |
| 07:21.18 | The_Universe | hey with testing, whats the version of xfce4 thats in the repositories? |
| 07:21.18 | ircdevil | net-tsunami |
| 07:21.18 | jm_ | The_Universe: packages.debian.org |
| 07:21.18 | Dan | repos for debian ? Oo thought they were debs |
| 07:21.18 | furrywolf | welp, with that pretty split, I think I'm going to head off to bed. |
| 07:21.19 | Dan | cya furry |
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| 07:21.21 | rixth | After making aMule, (no errors) I now get "amule: error while loading shared libraries: libwx_gtk2_xrc-2.6.so.0: cannot open shared object file: No such file or directory |
| 07:21.21 | rixth | " |
| 07:21.21 | Dan | i cant get amule running either rix |
| 07:21.21 | dondelelcaro | rixth: uh... you'd be pretty hard to actually link amule with a missing library |
| 07:21.21 | simonrvn | wb |
| 07:21.22 | dondelelcaro | cafuego: moderately around |
| 07:21.27 | The_Universe | damn |
| 07:21.35 | The_Universe | only 4.0 |
| 07:21.35 | Dan | i get compiling errors :-\ |
| 07:21.43 | The_Universe | looks like ima have to install from source |
| 07:21.47 | The_Universe | wtf |
| 07:21.54 | tra1a1a | Dan: check #c, #c++ |
| 07:22.05 | deadcat | dondelelcaro: mol is pissing me off. i am trying to compile again without fbsplash )= |
| 07:22.10 | rixth | dondelelcaro, well, it worked! I make clean, ./configure, make & make install'd again and it still gives that. |
| 07:22.14 | furrywolf | dondelelcaro: adjust dpkg so people that use !tell in the channel to have dpkg tell them something instead of messaging the bot get yelled at. :) |
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| 07:22.35 | dondelelcaro | furrywolf: you can educate them, or provide patches.. |
| 07:22.55 | dondelelcaro | deadcat: that sucks |
| 07:23.08 | furrywolf | bah. :) |
| 07:23.10 | furrywolf | bbl, sleep. |
| 07:23.16 | dondelelcaro | rixth: did you actually link amule? or is this some sort of binary thing? |
| 07:23.30 | rixth | I compiled from source if thats what your asking. |
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| 07:23.37 | Dan | apt-get install limewire = dead link that dkpg ref's |
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| 07:24.05 | Dan | or is their a repo that has it , that maybe i dont have on my .conf |
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| 07:24.25 | deadcat | limewire is NOT free as in beer |
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| 07:25.22 | Dan | WTB Limewire binary :-( |
| 07:25.42 | dondelelcaro | !+find libwx_gtk2_xrc-2.6.so |
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| 07:25.51 | dpkg | Debian Package/File/Desc Search of 'libwx_gtk2_xrc-2.6.so' returned no results. |
| 07:26.00 | dondelelcaro | riiight. |
| 07:26.03 | Dan | ls |
| 07:26.07 | Dan | grrr |
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| 07:26.38 | rixth | dondelelcaro, I'm thinking it comes off the wxwidgets (also not packaged) but I compiled that too. |
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| 07:27.44 | Wilbo | hello, I have a one little question. I am new with linux and I am wondering what distro I should download for AMD 64 system I386 or IA-64 |
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| 07:29.07 | Dan | wilbo if your new mandrake would be a good distro to go with IMO |
| 07:29.20 | streuner | !tell Wilbo about amd64 |
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| 07:30.06 | dondelelcaro | ugh. friends don't let friends use mandwreck. |
| 07:30.22 | tra1a1a | :) |
| 07:30.40 | Dan | lol its good to start out on |
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| 07:30.57 | Dan | screw it wilbo , just install gentoo :P |
| 07:31.10 | streuner | !hwinfosmite Dan |
| 07:31.11 | dpkg | Scanning Dan ... No meaningful response. Please ensure brain is connected, or return to supplier for replacement. |
| 07:31.13 | john | sick. |
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| 07:31.48 | Dan | gentoo is an awesome distro .. |
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| 07:32.08 | tra1a1a | Dan: we got it, stop trolling now |
| 07:32.32 | deadcat | osx rocks |
| 07:32.37 | deadcat | yaaaaa |
| 07:33.05 | tra1a1a | !start an os war |
| 07:33.05 | dpkg | DOS is better than Debian! Amiga Rocks! |
| 07:33.10 | john | hahaha |
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| 07:36.25 | streuner | !gentoosmite Dan |
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| 07:36.55 | The_Universe | gentoo is a waste of time |
| 07:36.56 | The_Universe | lol |
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| 07:37.14 | ottoaim_ | haha |
| 07:37.15 | deadcat | source mage |
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| 07:37.53 | tra1a1a | actually it runs .00001% faster! |
| 07:37.55 | The_Universe | flux is a little too sparce |
| 07:38.01 | The_Universe | kde and gnome a little too heavy |
| 07:38.07 | The_Universe | xfce seems a happy balance |
| 07:38.18 | deadcat | ob3 |
| 07:38.24 | john | hmm, I like flux. |
| 07:38.39 | Dan | anyone know the syntax for date --set %t 02:38:30 ?:-\ |
| 07:38.39 | streuner | !window manager |
| 07:38.40 | dpkg | it has been said that window manager is includes: 9wm, aewm, afterstep, amaterus, amiwm, asclassic, blackbox, ctwm, cwwm, enlightenment, evilwm, fluxbox, flwm, fvwm, icewm, ion, kwin, larswm, lwm, matchbox, metacity, nawm, olvwm, olwm, openbox, oroborus, plwm, pwm, qvwm, ratpoison, sapphire, sawfish, twm, uwm, vtwm, w9wm, waimea, windows-el, wininfo, wm2, wmaker, and xfwm4. TWIN (Text mode). Pickers: selectwm and wmanager. No ... |
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| 07:39.15 | tra1a1a | the man page does |
| 07:39.32 | john | ouch. |
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| 07:43.20 | tra1a1a | is dpkg ignoring me for being too curious and asking too much? |
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| 07:44.32 | Dan | how do you set your time zone after install ? |
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| 07:45.00 | D_F | I'm having a problem with Apache on Debian Sarge. Pages load fine, but images will not. Does anyone know why, or better yet, how to fix this problem? |
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| 07:45.13 | cahoot | Dan: tzconfig? |
| 07:45.51 | jm_ | D_F: you sure it's not your browser at fault? |
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| 07:46.17 | D_F | jm_, No because it happens when other people try to view it as well, and it has worked fine on other distros. |
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| 07:46.28 | tarzeau | D_F: logfile says what? |
| 07:46.35 | tarzeau | D_F: url? |
| 07:46.39 | cahoot | Dan: or plainly symlink /usr/share/zoneinfo/... to /etc/localtime |
| 07:46.40 | digibox | lol this is funny. one of the websites you can buy debian from has instructional software for linux but it is made to run on windows....... |
| 07:46.44 | D_F | tarzeau, I'll take a look at the log. http://m0rph3us.ath.cx |
| 07:46.46 | jm_ | D_F: wget it, see if it works - then check what happens when browser gets it |
| 07:46.56 | D_F | jm_, Actually, the images get a 404 |
| 07:47.02 | tarzeau | D_F: ph3ar |
| 07:47.06 | D_F | jm_, And yes, they are there. |
| 07:47.10 | D_F | tarzeau, lol |
| 07:47.20 | tarzeau | D_F: The requested URL /images/Debian.gif was not found on this server. |
| 07:47.25 | D_F | tarzeau, See what I mean? |
| 07:47.31 | tarzeau | D_F: PEBKAC |
| 07:47.38 | D_F | tarzeau, Excuse me? |
| 07:47.43 | tarzeau | !pebkac |
| 07:47.44 | dpkg | well, pebkac is Problem Exists Between Keyboard And Chair, or PEBCAK. PEBMAC, PICNIC. PEBRHAL, or http://pebkac.ubergoth.net/ |
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| 07:48.02 | D_F | tarzeau, What exactly does that mean? |
| 07:48.02 | nomed | cahoot, about clock and time .. tzconfig 'Your current time zone is set to Europe/Rome' |
| 07:48.16 | tarzeau | D_F: your problem. not one of debian or apache |
| 07:48.23 | nomed | and that's correct but here 11:48 |
| 07:48.26 | D_F | tarzeau, Ah, OK. |
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| 07:48.30 | tarzeau | D_F: you must fix this. this is not a software but a configuration problem |
| 07:48.32 | nomed | and in real 9:48 |
| 07:48.37 | nomed | why? |
| 07:48.45 | D_F | tarzeau, So it's a problem with how I've configured httpd.conf? |
| 07:48.48 | tarzeau | D_F: if you say ls sexy_nathalie.jpg but the file is not there, ls will fail |
| 07:48.57 | tarzeau | D_F: more like where you put the stuff |
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| 07:49.44 | nomed | how can i set the correct time? |
| 07:49.48 | D_F | tarzeau, morpheus:/home/digitalfallout/public_html/images# ls -l Debian.gif |
| 07:49.49 | D_F | -rwxrwxrwx 1 digitalfallout digitalfallout 315 May 24 19:45 Debian.gif |
| 07:49.51 | tarzeau | nomed: rdate -s |
| 07:50.09 | tarzeau | D_F: usually public_html is accessed using ~username |
| 07:50.09 | D_F | tarzeau, This problem is very strange. Should I pastebin my httpd.conf? |
| 07:50.21 | tarzeau | D_F: please don't. i have to drink a tea |
| 07:50.27 | D_F | tarzeau, OK. |
| 07:50.45 | D_F | tarzeau, I'm only root because I was editing httpd.conf |
| 07:51.00 | Dan | apt-get install ntpdate |
| 07:51.12 | D_F | Me? |
| 07:51.58 | tra1a1a | nomet: ntpdate can fetch the time from the network for you |
| 07:52.05 | tarzeau | D_F: you must learn to fix your problem. check /var/log/apache/ |
| 07:52.22 | Dan | it worked for me but im still in the wrong time zone :-\ |
| 07:52.28 | Dan | its an hour ahead |
| 07:52.33 | cahoot | tra1a1a: he already got told to use rdate |
| 07:52.36 | streuner | nomed: /msg dpkg set time |
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| 07:52.54 | nomed | streuner, thanks |
| 07:53.21 | s-toned | I once substituted dhcp-client by dhcp3-client in order to kepp the search and domain settings in resolv.conf, which dhcp-client seemed to kill. |
| 07:53.45 | tra1a1a | D_F: if you want someone to configure the apache for you, you should consider an apropriate payment. otherwise you should rtfm |
| 07:54.05 | tra1a1a | cahoot: so you know one more option now |
| 07:54.23 | Dan | anyone know where tzonfig is located ? |
| 07:54.24 | cahoot | tra1a1a: huh? |
| 07:54.43 | tarzeau | Dan: which ? |
| 07:54.46 | tra1a1a | ah, sorry s/you know/he knows/ |
| 07:54.53 | tarzeau | Dan: dpkg -S ? |
| 07:55.28 | streuner | Dan: tzconfig is part of libc6 in debian |
| 07:55.36 | tra1a1a | or dpkg -S $(which tzconfig) |
| 07:55.41 | streuner | !find tzconfig |
| 07:55.47 | dpkg | Debian Search of 'tzconfig' (1): (/usr/sbin/tzconfig) in base/libc6. |
| 07:55.53 | tarzeau | Dan: so? you don't know how? |
| 07:57.48 | Dan | thanks streuner :) got it set now |
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| 08:02.24 | s-toned | It was a successful substitution. But, now, after several weeks of operation, the search and domain entries in resolv.conf are gone again. |
| 08:02.54 | s-toned | What could I do about it? Make resolv.conf read-only? |
| 08:03.00 | tosh| | are you using dhcp? |
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| 08:03.29 | toptnc | hi all |
| 08:03.39 | toptnc | a question about pam+ldap |
| 08:03.56 | toptnc | I have configured my system to use ldap authentication |
| 08:04.05 | toptnc | login works ok |
| 08:04.15 | toptnc | but i'm not able to change local users password |
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| 08:04.34 | toptnc | if I execute password command I get this |
| 08:04.44 | toptnc | Enter login(LDAP) password: |
| 08:04.50 | Mage\work | it's normal .. |
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| 08:05.25 | Mage\work | there's a /etc/pam.d/passwd file |
| 08:05.34 | Mage\work | if you tell passwd to use ldap ... it will use ldap |
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| 08:05.49 | jm_ | that shouldn't be a factor with Sarge, because it just includes common-password |
| 08:06.00 | jm_ | and that should be included by login as well |
| 08:06.09 | Mage\work | yes |
| 08:06.18 | Mage\work | but that change nothing |
| 08:06.20 | jm_ | but it's indeed worth checking it out |
| 08:06.48 | toptnc | yes pam.d/password file has @include common-password |
| 08:06.58 | toptnc | and common-password |
| 08:07.04 | snail_ | I'm getting seg faults from a program on my debian machine. they are very challenging to reproduce, and almost certainly caused by my use of the program other than as the authors intended. is there any way of getting extra information about what's wrong to go with my bug report? |
| 08:07.23 | snail_ | the app is a GUI program written in C |
| 08:07.29 | jm_ | password? should be pam.d/passwd |
| 08:07.31 | s-toned | tosh|: yes, getting my ip that way (dhcp3-client) |
| 08:08.09 | jm_ | snail_: well maybe generate a core file and send stack trace to the author? |
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| 08:08.32 | tarzeau | snail_: gtk? qt? own? lesstif? |
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| 08:08.44 | tarzeau | snail_: which software? which bug number? |
| 08:09.02 | toptnc | jm_ yes, it's pam.d/passwd |
| 08:09.11 | snail_ | tarzeau: i haven't submitted the bug yet |
| 08:09.14 | der_tank | Hi, there. I urgently need help installing sarge on a scsi disk connected to a aha-2940. |
| 08:09.23 | tarzeau | der_tank: so? |
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| 08:09.37 | tarzeau | dpkg tell der_tank about ask |
| 08:09.48 | toptnc | jm_ and common-password content is password required pam_unix.so md5 use_authok try_first_pass / password sufficient pam_ldap.so |
| 08:09.59 | snail_ | tarzeau: what's the command to find out which library a binary is linked against? |
| 08:10.04 | tarzeau | snail_: ldd |
| 08:10.11 | snail_ | tarzeau: thanks |
| 08:10.26 | der_tank | The is simply not detected! |
| 08:10.35 | der_tank | The disk I mean. |
| 08:10.56 | tarzeau | der_tank: does it have power? is the connecters in properly? |
| 08:11.02 | Om | Bit of a newbie question. I'm trying to create a tar archive of a directory, but I want to exclude everythis in one of the subdirectories. All I can find is the --exclude=pattern option. Which from the docs looks like it matches against filenames. |
| 08:11.03 | tarzeau | der_tank: detected not by linux or by the controller? |
| 08:11.03 | snail_ | tarzeau: libqt-mt |
| 08:11.09 | tarzeau | snail_: which app? |
| 08:11.19 | tarzeau | snail_: is there maybe already a bug report? checked bts? |
| 08:11.20 | snail_ | tarzeau: qgo |
| 08:11.22 | der_tank | Yes, it is detected by the controllers bios and I can boot from scsi cdrom. |
| 08:11.31 | tosh| | s-toned if you don't want you resolv.conf changed, configure your dhcp client so it doesn't chagne it |
| 08:11.33 | tosh| | change* |
| 08:11.34 | tarzeau | der_tank: what about loading the driver for the controller? |
| 08:11.40 | der_tank | No prob! |
| 08:11.43 | D_F | tarzeau, Well I've narrowed down the problem, images work, but no files in subdirectories can be displayed. |
| 08:11.47 | tarzeau | der_tank: and even then it's not seen? |
| 08:11.57 | tarzeau | D_F: file permissions? |
| 08:12.17 | D_F | tarzeau, the images dir is chmod'd to 777 |
| 08:12.23 | D_F | tarzeau, So it can't be permissions. |
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| 08:12.29 | der_tank | No. There are two modules: aic7xxx and aic7xxx_old. Unfortunatly i cannot unload modules for rmmod is not provided on the boot cd |
| 08:12.30 | toptnc | how can i change local users password? |
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| 08:12.34 | umbop | hey guys, where abouts are konqueror cookies stored? |
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| 08:12.53 | srid | shift+numlock enables numpad to be used for mouse navigation *temporarily* for a few minutes. How enable it permanently? |
| 08:13.09 | D_F | tarzeau, Figured out the problem. |
| 08:13.30 | D_F | tarzeau, Whever I try to go to a subdirectory, it thinks I mean /usr/share/$SUBDIR$ |
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| 08:13.58 | magick211 | Just installing debian 3.0r5 (ran slackware before) But im having a problem with starting X i get "server error no screens found |
| 08:14.24 | tarzeau | toptnc: using passwd |
| 08:14.31 | tarzeau | umbop: in your home |
| 08:14.34 | magick211 | i dont a google search but the only useful info i found did not correct the problem |
| 08:14.37 | magick211 | did* |
| 08:14.57 | tarzeau | srid: it's not temporarily imho |
| 08:15.01 | D_F | tarzeau, Fixed it, it was a problem with aliases in httpd.conf. Thanks anyway :) |
| 08:15.03 | Om | Anyone? :) |
| 08:15.07 | s-toned | tosh|: yes, but it worked perfectly for weeks, I don't know what changed that |
| 08:15.09 | tarzeau | !anyone |
| 08:15.09 | dpkg | ***anyone: No such nick/channel - and yes, there probably is someone, somewhere, who knows or runs it; that doesn't mean *I* do. |
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| 08:15.30 | Om | heh, sorry. |
| 08:15.31 | tarzeau | Om: directories are filenames |
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| 08:15.45 | tarzeau | Om: i've got an example of it at www.linuks.mine.nu/ibackup/ i think, read the script |
| 08:16.16 | srid | tarzeau, it is, I am using ubuntu |
| 08:16.18 | toptnc | tarzeau, if i user passwd, i get "Enter login(LDAP) password: |
| 08:16.44 | The_Universe | hey will debian contain the new OOo 2.0 when it is releaed |
| 08:16.54 | Om | It's just that if I exclude 'eclipse' I'd want to be sure that if I had any other files with 'eclipse' in them then those would be archived. :) |
| 08:16.57 | The_Universe | i heard there was some friction cause it uses some java code |
| 08:17.04 | der_tank | Does anyone know how to install srage on a scsi disk connected to a adaptec aha-2940 ? |
| 08:17.48 | tra1a1a | Om: exclude matches patterns and it is exactly what you want to use. check info tar for more information |
| 08:17.49 | tarzeau | !UBUNTU |
| 08:17.49 | dpkg | ubuntu is NOT Debian, see http://www.ubuntulinux.org. IRC channel is #ubuntu, or http://interviews.slashdot.org/comments.pl?sid=144934&cid=12136879, or "Based on Debian" like Hollywood movies are "Based on a true story" |
| 08:17.55 | tarzeau | srid: UBUNTO IS NOT DEBIAN |
| 08:18.01 | jm_ | toptnc: well looks fine to me, but I never used LDAP for PAM authentication, so I don't know details - maybe check ldapd logs |
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| 08:18.18 | gahan | can anyone record a .wav and say 'debian' 'redhat' 'slackware' 'linux' 'freebsd' 'gentoo' 'ubuntu'? :) |
| 08:18.25 | gahan | i'd be very glad |
| 08:18.25 | srid | tarzeau, just thought this was general X question |
| 08:18.34 | tarzeau | srid: ubunto makes me mad |
| 08:18.51 | s-toned | tarzeau: so ubuntu should be named UND :-) |
| 08:18.52 | srid | that's why you're in #debian now |
| 08:19.03 | eye69 | gahan: I would if I had a mic. |
| 08:19.03 | tarzeau | srid: exactly |
| 08:19.11 | eye69 | gahan: Send me one. :) |
| 08:19.18 | jm_ | gahan: you can find "linux" on kernel.org - they way Linus pronounces it |
| 08:19.26 | srid | tarzeau, where can I find documents related this shift+numlock thing? |
| 08:19.36 | srid | no keywords i have to search in google :( |
| 08:19.39 | tarzeau | srid: xfree documentation |
| 08:19.47 | tarzeau | srid: in debian there's -doc packages |
| 08:19.54 | srid | ok |
| 08:19.57 | tarzeau | srid: every package has also /usr/share/doc/PKGNAME |
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| 08:20.07 | srid | tarzeau, fyi, i use x.org |
| 08:20.13 | tremere | is there a package for managing landscaping/gardening? |
| 08:20.16 | srid | yeah, i know :) |
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| 08:20.19 | tarzeau | srid: XORG IS NOT XFREE |
| 08:20.20 | The_Universe | ? |
| 08:20.26 | srid | tarzeau, i better read from net, than installing *-doc packages |
| 08:20.42 | srid | XFREE IS NOT FREE :)) |
| 08:20.48 | tarzeau | srid: IT IS |
| 08:20.51 | tremere | i'm looking for something that would even just draw rows of garden space in the form of a grid |
| 08:20.52 | tarzeau | srid: the version #debian has |
| 08:21.02 | srid | tarzeau, yeah, but the not recent ;) |
| 08:21.09 | tarzeau | srid: so what? |
| 08:21.19 | srid | XFREE-recent IS NOT FREE :)) |
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| 08:21.23 | tarzeau | srid: so? |
| 08:21.28 | srid | nothing :) |
| 08:21.37 | srid | don't pull silly stuff too much :) |
| 08:21.43 | tarzeau | debians xfree is recent, isn't it? |
| 08:21.51 | srid | 4.4? |
| 08:21.55 | tarzeau | no 4.3 |
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| 08:22.02 | caphuso | srid: cluebat whoever told you that nonsense |
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| 08:22.14 | srid | well, isn't 4.4 recent release of xfree? |
| 08:22.15 | digibox | does Sid have mpich2? |
| 08:22.26 | tarzeau | digibox: packages.d.o |
| 08:22.39 | tarzeau | srid: they even have 4.5 |
| 08:22.41 | srid | caphuso, 4.5.0 is recent |
| 08:22.49 | srid | i just looked at it |
| 08:22.53 | tarzeau | srid: these are just version numbers. but i'd call 4.3 also recent |
| 08:22.54 | caphuso | srid: yes, and it's free |
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| 08:23.07 | srid | sigh |
| 08:23.14 | caphuso | srid: so, whoever told you it wasn't, needs to get hit over the head |
| 08:23.22 | tarzeau | caphuso: himself |
| 08:23.24 | magick211 | exit |
| 08:23.31 | magick211 | ?exit |
| 08:25.23 | The_Universe | will OOo be included in future debian testing? |
| 08:25.30 | The_Universe | because of the java thing |
| 08:25.32 | tarzeau | The_Universe: why shouldn't it? |
| 08:25.34 | The_Universe | OOo 2 |
| 08:26.21 | tarzeau | The_Universe: what java thing? |
| 08:26.43 | The_Universe | tarzeau, OOo uses substantial amount of java code |
| 08:26.52 | The_Universe | which can only be run on sun java |
| 08:27.16 | srid | dpkg: mouseemu - Emulate mouse buttons and mouse wheel |
| 08:27.17 | gahan | anyone got a sound file how to pronounce debian?:)\ |
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| 08:27.33 | srid | tazle, so that's it |
| 08:27.38 | srid | err .. tarzeau |
| 08:27.50 | tarzeau | gahan: i can record one if you can wait 9 hours |
| 08:27.55 | tra1a1a | OOo doesn't require java to run |
| 08:28.19 | The_Universe | tra1a1a, OOo 2.0 will |
| 08:28.28 | rhalff | anyone know a good search and replace tool, either gui or command line |
| 08:28.34 | tarzeau | rhalff: sed |
| 08:28.38 | rhalff | noo :) |
| 08:28.40 | tra1a1a | The_SSho1: bah, I hope you're wrong |
| 08:28.42 | tarzeau | rhalff: yes |
| 08:28.42 | rhalff | just a simple one. |
| 08:28.46 | tarzeau | rhalff: sed |
| 08:28.49 | rhalff | change this string with that. |
| 08:28.50 | tarzeau | is. simple. |
| 08:29.01 | tra1a1a | The_Universe: bah, I hope you're wrong |
| 08:29.04 | caphuso | tra1a1a: google for "openoffice.org 2.0 java" |
| 08:29.10 | The_SSho1 | heh |
| 08:29.17 | The_Universe | tra1a1a, im not |
| 08:29.18 | The_SSho1 | im not damn it |
| 08:29.19 | rhalff | like "replace -R this that *" |
| 08:29.25 | The_Universe | http://software.newsforge.com/software/05/05/16/1358227.shtml?tid=152&tid=150&tid=89&tid=93&tid=132 |
| 08:29.26 | The_SSho1 | :) |
| 08:29.36 | tra1a1a | The_SSho1: fscking nick autocompletition... |
| 08:29.43 | The_SSho1 | i know ;) |
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| 08:29.51 | caphuso | i think redhat plans working on getting it to run with gcj |
| 08:31.10 | tra1a1a | hmmm... it seems like I'm gonna stick to 1.whatever for a while |
| 08:31.38 | tra1a1a | ah, did I mention fuck the SUN? |
| 08:31.56 | tarzeau | tra1a1a: ack |
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| 08:32.43 | rhalff | ah sorry tarzeau using sed for it is easy :) |
| 08:33.12 | tra1a1a | tarzeau: uh? |
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| 08:36.14 | tarzeau | tra1a1a: SUN sucks |
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| 08:38.24 | tra1a1a | right, but what's ack? |
| 08:38.34 | Hackel | Help! :) I've recently upgraded my kernel images, and now my LVM system won't boot. It says something like it can't find an lvchange for my version of LVM. Any ideas how to fix this? |
| 08:39.06 | tra1a1a | Hackel: upgrade you lvm packages too |
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| 08:39.35 | Hackel | tra1a1a: Everything's updated as of a couple hours ago (sid). |
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| 08:40.39 | tra1a1a | Hackel: did you check the bts for this problem? |
| 08:41.11 | deadcat | seems like mol doesnt work with fbsplash patched. |
| 08:41.16 | Hackel | tra1a1a: heh, working on it...I just managed to boot with an old CD I had lying around and am in a not very functional chroot at the moment. |
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| 08:43.07 | Hackel | tra1a1a: I assume it's a problem with the initrd supplied with the kernel image. |
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| 08:45.00 | tra1a1a | Hackel : have you got a prebuild kernel? |
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| 08:45.21 | Hackel | tra1a1a: Debian kernel, yeah. |
| 08:45.24 | tra1a1a | it could be in the lvm tools as well |
| 08:45.27 | HllywdW | does anyone know how to get xine to decrypt css? |
| 08:45.55 | HllywdW | google is not helping |
| 08:45.56 | Hackel | tra1a1a: But the initrd contains it's own version of the lvmtools which is being used to mount root, etc. right? |
| 08:46.00 | deadcat | libdvdcss2? |
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| 08:46.40 | HllywdW | can't seem to apt-get install it |
| 08:46.48 | tra1a1a | Hackel: ah, dunno actually although I'm using lmv |
| 08:46.54 | deadcat | HllywdW: you have non-free contrib in /etc/apt/sources.list? |
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| 08:47.42 | Hackel | tra1a1a: Have you tried rebooting latley? (wasn't by choice for me...meh) |
| 08:48.00 | tra1a1a | Hackel : but I suppose that the initrd must contain the same lvmtools |
| 08:48.01 | liable | <PROTECTED> |
| 08:48.35 | tra1a1a | hackel: 11:49:01 up 124 days, 16:26, 3 users, load average: 0.05, 0.01, 0.00 |
| 08:48.40 | directhex|work | libdvdcss2 is not in debian |
| 08:48.41 | deadcat | HllywdW: dont mesg me. /topic |
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| 08:48.54 | directhex|work | those who even speak of it are sent to guantanamo bay, for defying their corporate masters |
| 08:48.58 | deadcat | directhex|work: ah. must be my mplayer line |
| 08:49.11 | directhex|work | deadcat, yes, it's on marillat. which i believe is hosted in france. |
| 08:49.30 | Grunt | g'day everyone |
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| 08:49.46 | juanmals | !dpkg |
| 08:49.46 | dpkg | rumour has it, dpkg is the debian package manager, sort of like the debian equivalent to rpm. a blootbot on #debian, or a bloodbot on #crack |
| 08:50.18 | jethro | good morning |
| 08:50.32 | AwesomeMachine | hi |
| 08:50.37 | liable | hi jethro |
| 08:51.40 | Grunt | Can anyone tell me about my chances of installing sarge now and then upgrading to the release version in-situ? |
| 08:51.48 | PerfDave | Grunt: Very, very good. |
| 08:51.59 | Grunt | the question or the chances? ;) |
| 08:52.00 | AwesomeMachine | yeah |
| 08:52.22 | PerfDave | The chances. Debian is designed to be easy to upgrade both within and between releases. |
| 08:52.27 | AwesomeMachine | debian just upgrades by itself |
| 08:52.40 | PerfDave | Grunt: Just make sure you change your sources.list to read "sarge" instead of "testing" |
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| 08:53.04 | AwesomeMachine | you link to an apt source and it keeps all you packages up to date |
| 08:53.19 | Grunt | It's just that I simply must install now, and I'd like to know that I'll be able to patch it up without reinstall... |
| 08:53.38 | PerfDave | Grunt: Uhm, have we not just answered that? |
| 08:53.47 | Grunt | yes you have. 10x! |
| 08:53.49 | Grunt | :) |
| 08:54.02 | AwesomeMachine | sarge testing will just become sarge release just by running dselect |
| 08:54.08 | PerfDave | !10x |
| 08:54.08 | dpkg | Unless you mean 10 times, please spell it out: "thanks". IRC doesn't charge you by the character, nor is it AOHELL instant messenger. |
| 08:54.22 | PerfDave | AwesomeMachine: Or apt-get dist-upgrade :) |
| 08:54.31 | AwesomeMachine | ty |
| 08:54.41 | PerfDave | Just make sure you change your sources.list or you'll end up running Etch ;) |
| 08:54.42 | liable | or aptitude dist-upgrade :) |
| 08:54.50 | Grunt | er... Thanks guys. :) |
| 08:54.53 | tarzeau | !10x is also add a space since it's ten times not tentimes |
| 08:54.53 | dpkg | tarzeau: okay |
| 08:54.54 | PerfDave | liable: Or synaptic dist-upgrade! |
| 08:54.58 | liable | hehe |
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| 08:55.09 | liable | choices choices |
| 08:55.15 | Grunt | have a nice day, mates! |
| 08:55.17 | PerfDave | Or kpackage dist-upgrade! |
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| 08:55.26 | AwesomeMachine | k |
| 08:55.30 | AwesomeMachine | cya |
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| 08:56.28 | AwesomeMachine | ultraviolet16, are you female? |
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| 08:56.34 | ultraviolet16 | no |
| 08:56.40 | AwesomeMachine | k |
| 08:56.44 | ultraviolet16 | 0_o |
| 08:56.46 | AwesomeMachine | wrong nick |
| 08:56.49 | ultraviolet16 | oh ok |
| 08:56.55 | PerfDave | OMGCYBAR!!1!1!!ONEONEfluffybunnygirl192@hotmail.com! |
| 08:57.27 | tra1a1a | PerfDave: is that you bank account confirmation address? |
| 08:57.30 | tra1a1a | ;) |
| 08:57.38 | ultraviolet16 | well here's the question.... when logging in "device /dev/dsp can't be opened (no such device)" |
| 08:57.40 | jethro | !irritate me |
| 08:57.41 | dpkg | jethro: Y iz debain so old? how can I make my lindows werkz !!!! |
| 08:57.51 | PerfDave | ultraviolet16: Add your user to group "audi"? |
| 08:57.56 | PerfDave | ultraviolet16: audio even |
| 08:57.59 | deadcat | seems like mol and fbsplash dont get along. anyone else having this problem? |
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| 08:58.08 | tarzeau | deadcat: #debianppc ? |
| 08:58.10 | ultraviolet16 | .. im noob sorry.. dont know what you mean |
| 08:58.20 | tarzeau | deadcat: why bother with fbsplash? |
| 08:58.20 | deadcat | tarzeau: they all dead there |
| 08:58.20 | tarzeau | !noob |
| 08:58.20 | dpkg | Don't bother telling us you're a "newb" or a "n00b". We can tell. |
| 08:58.28 | ultraviolet16 | thanks ;) |
| 08:58.29 | deadcat | tarzeau: because i use console |
| 08:58.31 | jethro | liable: so do I :) |
| 08:58.32 | ultraviolet16 | ok |
| 08:58.35 | tarzeau | deadcat: never got mol running, never cared about splashcrap |
| 08:58.39 | ultraviolet16 | well the group audi |
| 08:58.49 | AwesomeMachine | audio |
| 08:58.50 | ultraviolet16 | is chmod what i want to use? |
| 08:58.54 | tarzeau | ultraviolet16: no |
| 08:58.58 | ultraviolet16 | ok |
| 08:59.02 | PerfDave | ultraviolet16: No, you want to add your user to the group audio. |
| 08:59.08 | PerfDave | ultraviolet16: "adduser user audio" |
| 08:59.16 | ultraviolet16 | ok let me do that now |
| 08:59.23 | tarzeau | fantastic weather here: http://www.seismo.ethz.ch/div/webcam.jpeg |
| 09:00.07 | ultraviolet16 | ok done adding me to the group |
| 09:00.16 | deadcat | tarzeau: what software? |
| 09:00.24 | PerfDave | ultraviolet16: Now log out and log back in |
| 09:00.31 | ultraviolet16 | ok, brb if have problems.. |
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| 09:00.35 | tra1a1a | or newgrp audio |
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| 09:02.06 | AwesomeMachine | hi oleth |
| 09:02.24 | tarzeau | deadcat: of what? |
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| 09:03.09 | deadcat | tarzeau: the webcam image |
| 09:03.18 | AwesomeMachine | thoreauputic, did you ever download the debian dvd |
| 09:03.28 | ultraviolet16 | ok im back, it didnt work |
| 09:03.32 | thoreauputic | AwesomeMachine: um, no |
| 09:03.40 | ultraviolet16 | i still get the same error |
| 09:03.56 | liable | ultraviolet16: have you run 'alsaconf'? |
| 09:04.04 | ultraviolet16 | no |
| 09:04.07 | oleth | hello, I would like to ask sth about cd-recording. I try to follow instruction from how-to and I cant load module iso9660. The problem is that insrtuction say "go to lilo.conf and editthese lines". I dont have lilo and I dont know what loader I use. Can you help me? |
| 09:04.07 | Dacia | is there a way I can reconfigure my sound system, I seem to be able to play wavs, and ogg, but after installing realplayer don't hear .ram files, though the time on the player ticks off the seconds |
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| 09:04.13 | AwesomeMachine | ultraviolet16, debian creates a user called "your login" |
| 09:04.15 | liable | ultraviolet16: is your card supported, what version? |
| 09:04.30 | liable | of debian |
| 09:04.33 | ultraviolet16 | I have crystal sound fusion |
| 09:04.36 | Om | Can anyone help me with getting a samba filesystem to be writable by non-root users? :) I have the options "rw,users" in /etc/fstab, but it still only lets root write to the filesystem. |
| 09:04.41 | ultraviolet16 | oh i have sarge |
| 09:04.44 | AwesomeMachine | adduser ultraviolet16 video |
| 09:04.58 | ultraviolet16 | to the group video? |
| 09:05.00 | liable | ultraviolet16: have you installed alsa-base and alsa-utils |
| 09:05.05 | ultraviolet16 | no |
| 09:05.09 | ultraviolet16 | not sure atleast |
| 09:05.20 | zinx | Om: users means users can mount it... |
| 09:05.20 | AwesomeMachine | yes, the group video |
| 09:05.20 | ultraviolet16 | i didn't do it delibaretly |
| 09:05.28 | liable | ultraviolet16: does lspci show sound modules? |
| 09:05.29 | ultraviolet16 | ok let me do that now |
| 09:05.35 | ultraviolet16 | lspci... |
| 09:05.41 | AwesomeMachine | but you don't "user" for the username |
| 09:05.43 | liable | its a command |
| 09:05.45 | Zta | /sbin/iwconfig: 1: Syntax error: "(" unexpected |
| 09:05.53 | ultraviolet16 | im going to run it now, thanks |
| 09:05.58 | Zta | Anyone know what this is about? Giving proper parameters doesn't change the outcome. |
| 09:06.02 | zinx | Om: mess w/ the gid/uid/umask instead |
| 09:06.25 | Om | zinx, okay :) |
| 09:06.26 | AwesomeMachine | Zta, is that a gcc message |
| 09:06.28 | PerfDave | lspci won't show sound modules. lsmod will :) |
| 09:06.39 | liable | oooh, my bad :) |
| 09:06.48 | ultraviolet16 | ultraviolet@debian:~$ adduser ultraviolet video |
| 09:06.48 | ultraviolet16 | bash: adduser: command not found |
| 09:06.52 | PerfDave | zinx: Uhm, you need to escape or quote brackets on the command line, so bash doesn't try to interpret them? |
| 09:06.53 | liable | what was I thinking |
| 09:06.58 | liable | ultraviolet16: as root |
| 09:07.01 | Zta | AwesomeMachine, ah.. perhaps the precompiler added some rubbush? |
| 09:07.03 | ultraviolet16 | o |
| 09:07.12 | AwesomeMachine | ultraviolet16, are you using debian |
| 09:07.28 | ultraviolet16 | yes |
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| 09:07.52 | AwesomeMachine | Zta, compilers try to repeat errors with the proper input |
| 09:08.02 | AwesomeMachine | ok |
| 09:08.10 | ultraviolet16 | i really hope im not annoying people with these really basic questions... im very very new to this |
| 09:08.15 | Zta | AwesomeMachine, Doesn't make sense to me. Can you help me make it work? |
| 09:08.16 | zinx | PerfDave: i prefer to quote them, but what's it to you? |
| 09:08.17 | ultraviolet16 | but I added myself to the group |
| 09:08.26 | ultraviolet16 | and im going to run lspci now |
| 09:08.31 | AwesomeMachine | ultraviolet16, in the console type su and the root password |
| 09:08.37 | PerfDave | zinx: *shrug* Just trying to help you fix your damn problem. |
| 09:08.43 | PerfDave | !faq ultraviolet16 |
| 09:08.43 | dpkg | ultraviolet16: http://www.linuks.mine.nu/debian-faq-wiki/ |
| 09:08.44 | liable | ultraviolet16: no, lsmod |
| 09:08.48 | zinx | PerfDave: direct your comments at Zta :) |
| 09:08.50 | ultraviolet16 | i learned su earlier. I added the user |
| 09:08.50 | Dacia | is there a way I can reconfigure my sound system, I seem to be able to play wavs, and ogg, but after installing realplayer don't hear .ram files, though the time on the player ticks off the seconds |
| 09:08.58 | PerfDave | zinx: Oh, I give up. |
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| 09:09.21 | AwesomeMachine | Zta, first of all, what are you doing, and what is not working |
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| 09:09.46 | ultraviolet16 | ok the sound card in question comes up |
| 09:09.58 | ultraviolet16 | lspci |
| 09:09.58 | ultraviolet16 | 00:00.0 Host bridge: Intel Corp. 82815 815 Chipset Host Bridge and Memory Controller Hub (rev 02) |
| 09:09.58 | ultraviolet16 | 00:01.0 PCI bridge: Intel Corp.: Unknown device 1131 (rev 02) |
| 09:09.58 | ultraviolet16 | 00:1e.0 PCI bridge: Intel Corp. 82801AA PCI Bridge (rev 02) |
| 09:09.59 | ultraviolet16 | 00:1f.0 ISA bridge: Intel Corp. 82801AA ISA Bridge (LPC) (rev 02) |
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| 09:10.30 | Zta | AwesomeMachine, I am trying to (cross) compile wireless_tools. This compiles and installs without errors. But when I run iwconfig on the target system, I get this error: /sbin/iwconfig: 1: Syntax error: "(" unexpected |
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| 09:10.53 | liable | ultraviolet16: no, run lsmod, and dont flood the channel /topic |
| 09:11.11 | tra1a1a | !tell ultraviolet16 about paste |
| 09:11.12 | ultraviolet16 | sorry... ;) |
| 09:11.20 | ultraviolet16 | no more paste... |
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| 09:11.40 | liable | ok, try lsmod |
| 09:11.48 | kjparker | hi |
| 09:11.49 | AwesomeMachine | Zta, your cross compiling to a different system |
| 09:11.49 | ultraviolet16 | maybe a small line.. is this ok? 02:08.0 Multimedia audio controller: Cirrus Logic Crystal |
| 09:11.58 | liable | yep |
| 09:12.04 | ultraviolet16 | that was after lspci |
| 09:12.11 | ultraviolet16 | i'll do lsmod now |
| 09:12.15 | Zta | AwesomeMachine, yes; to an ARM. |
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| 09:12.29 | liable | ultraviolet16: type 'lsmod' look for 'snd' lines |
| 09:12.56 | ultraviolet16 | the first entry is "soundcore" |
| 09:13.02 | ultraviolet16 | but no 'snd' |
| 09:13.30 | AwesomeMachine | Zta, That is a common error, you usually need a patch. Look where you got the program and see if there is a patch |
| 09:13.38 | ultraviolet16 | soundcore 2420 0 (autoclean) (unused) |
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| 09:14.06 | kjparker | can anyone reccomend some decent dvd authoring software? in windows i used to use tmpegenc dvd author, and I guess i probably still could under wine |
| 09:14.18 | kjparker | but i would rather find a native package |
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| 09:14.31 | AwesomeMachine | ultraviolet16, in a year you'll be able to make your own distro |
| 09:14.40 | lenny__ | kjparker --> libdvdcss |
| 09:14.47 | liable | ultraviolet16: ok, I think your card needs a bit of tweaking for alsa, but, install alsa-base, alsa-utils |
| 09:14.48 | ultraviolet16 | 0_o lol why do you say that? |
| 09:14.52 | Zta | AwesomeMachine, I see no patch =( |
| 09:14.53 | Hackel | Am I really the only person having trouble with LVM and initrd with the latest 2.6 upgrades? What could have changed? |
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| 09:15.06 | ultraviolet16 | ok.. with aptitude? |
| 09:15.08 | Zta | AwesomeMachine, can you explain what's going on? Perhaps I can change it myself. |
| 09:15.21 | liable | ultraviolet16: yes, whatever you like |
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| 09:15.39 | ultraviolet16 | ok.. im going to install alsa-base, alsa-utils |
| 09:15.43 | Noid | how can i check if my debian install is using a dev filesystem or somesuch (udev, whatever)? |
| 09:16.05 | Guerin | Hackel: I heard about a bug with initrd-tools which requires you to reinstall it, or your kernel, or something. haven't experienced it, but I expect it's documented on the BTS. |
| 09:16.11 | directhex|work | Noid, dpkg -l udev | tail -n1 |
| 09:16.16 | Zta | AwesomeMachine, I get different errors for each command: /sbin/iwconfig: 1: Syntax error: "(" unexpected /sbin/iwspy: 119: Syntax error: Unterminated quoted string /sbin/iwlist: 1: Syntax error: word unexpected (expecting ")") |
| 09:16.16 | Guerin | Hackel: if you see cureless around, he knows about it. |
| 09:16.21 | liable | ultraviolet16: was there a number in lspci for your card? like cs4281 |
| 09:16.22 | Hackel | Guerin: I've looked and am not finding it... |
| 09:16.23 | AwesomeMachine | Zta, it's just a bitchy thing with old compilers. I'm not exactly sure what the problem is. That error message isn't a wealth of information |
| 09:16.43 | kjparker | lenny, that looks like it is for copying or playing them, what i want to be able to do, is take a dvdram disk i have burnt on my dvd recorder and add decent menu's and stuff |
| 09:16.51 | ultraviolet16 | yes.. it was 02:08.0 |
| 09:16.52 | Noid | directhex|work: thanks |
| 09:17.06 | Om | Does anyone know how I can set the output file of bzip2? |
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| 09:17.09 | ultraviolet16 | bah wrong one |
| 09:17.11 | ultraviolet16 | let me look again |
| 09:17.20 | ultraviolet16 | CS4281 |
| 09:17.29 | liable | ok, sweet |
| 09:17.31 | ultraviolet16 | bulls eye |
| 09:17.31 | AwesomeMachine | Zta, the number is the line number and the thing between the quotes is what it is complaining about or looking for |
| 09:17.37 | Om | I need it to write directly to a network(samba) filesystem. (I don't have enough local hdd space.) |
| 09:17.37 | tra1a1a | Om: yes, the man page knows |
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| 09:17.51 | lenny__ | kjparker --> ow, sorry, i had not understood... i don't know how you can do that... |
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| 09:18.14 | kjparker | lenny__, : that's ok, thanks anyway |
| 09:18.22 | tarzeau | deadcat: no idea |
| 09:18.23 | lenny__ | with pleasure |
| 09:18.25 | Zta | AwesomeMachine, so the command, eg. iwconfig, is trying to execute another command? |
| 09:18.35 | tra1a1a | Om: bzip2 -c > /path/to/file |
| 09:18.45 | Om | Ah :) |
| 09:18.50 | Om | Thanks :) |
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| 09:19.09 | tra1a1a | there could be also another way to do it, but I'm too lazy to read the man for you |
| 09:19.19 | AwesomeMachine | Zta, have you used iwconfig successfully on that machine before? |
| 09:19.19 | Om | I have read the man page. |
| 09:19.23 | ultraviolet16 | ah damn. i tried to install alsa-base but got an error |
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| 09:19.34 | ultraviolet16 | Errors were encountered while processing: inn2 |
| 09:19.40 | Zta | AwesomeMachine, no. This was the result of my first compile and run on that machine. |
| 09:19.43 | Om | I didn't know you could direct the output like that. :) |
| 09:20.06 | yaccobb | hi everyone. |
| 09:20.13 | ultraviolet16 | i used apt-get |
| 09:20.14 | tra1a1a | Om: read the bash man page then, you'll find alot of *good* things there |
| 09:20.21 | AwesomeMachine | Zta, , it most likely is an error in iwconfig itself |
| 09:20.25 | Om | Okay :) |
| 09:20.40 | wasto | i have a problem with (i guess xsession). i can start X with startx. but if i try t olog in with a manager(xdm or kdm) the xserver is restarting. i did found something in logfiles. perhaps i'm just too stupid to find the correct logfile ;)can someone give me a hint? |
| 09:20.41 | tra1a1a | I have to warn you though - it's BIG |
| 09:20.52 | oleth | if I get from $insmod iso9660 : no name by that module found, how can I load the module to use my CD-R? |
| 09:20.54 | liable | ultraviolet16: try 'apt-get -f install' |
| 09:21.00 | yaccobb | Is there any linux-guy who can hel nob who just wiped out windows ? |
| 09:21.22 | directhex|work | !insmod |
| 09:21.22 | dpkg | Sorry, that command doesn't exist. Surely you meant "modprobe"?, or modprobe also loads dependencies, insmod only loads what you tell it to load. NEVER attempt to use insmod under 2.6. Use modprobe. Did we mention "modprobe" yet? |
| 09:21.25 | tarzeau | !noob |
| 09:21.26 | dpkg | Don't bother telling us you're a "newb" or a "n00b". We can tell. |
| 09:21.33 | tarzeau | yaccobb: filesystem or partition table? |
| 09:21.34 | tra1a1a | wasto: the correct log file is /var/log/XFree86.$DISPLAY.log |
| 09:21.42 | AwesomeMachine | wasto, your xserver keeps restarting? |
| 09:21.49 | oleth | I have 2.4 |
| 09:21.49 | ultraviolet16 | still same problem liable. But I did manage to install alsa base and the other alsa utils |
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| 09:22.02 | wasto | yes. after a login try it restarts |
| 09:22.10 | wasto | it doesn't restart on and on |
| 09:22.11 | liable | ultraviolet16: paste the error to #flood |
| 09:22.12 | yaccobb | tarzeau, i have denbian installed (100GB ext3, 1,6GB swap) |
| 09:22.19 | yaccobb | *debian |
| 09:22.19 | directhex|work | oleth, a debian kernel image? |
| 09:22.22 | ultraviolet16 | ok |
| 09:22.26 | tarzeau | yaccobb: what did you wipe exactly? |
| 09:22.33 | wasto | thx, tra1a1a i'll check it out ;) |
| 09:22.44 | Zta | AwesomeMachine, I can quickly show the sources. The source for iwspy (which also fails) isn't that large. |
| 09:22.54 | oleth | yes I installed it from a DVD |
| 09:22.54 | yaccobb | tarzeau, i meant i just have moved from win to linux and need help. my english is bad |
| 09:23.02 | AwesomeMachine | wasto <dpkg-reconfigure xserver-common> |
| 09:23.12 | tarzeau | yaccobb: aha. can you ask more specific? |
| 09:23.21 | tra1a1a | !thx |
| 09:23.21 | dpkg | THX is an audio technology company founded by George Lucas. See http://www.thx.com. If you mean "thanks", please just say so. Thx. |
| 09:23.27 | AwesomeMachine | dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xfree86 and choose vesa driver |
| 09:23.28 | tarzeau | yaccobb: like "i would like to do this and that" |
| 09:23.33 | wasto | this i've already tried, no success. (thx anyway) |
| 09:23.54 | tra1a1a | !tell wasto about thx |
| 09:24.09 | ultraviolet16 | ok pasted error in flood liable |
| 09:24.34 | juanmals | !seen dgil |
| 09:24.34 | dpkg | juanmals: i haven't seen 'dgil' |
| 09:24.38 | Zta | AwesomeMachine, ach... it uses (its own) iwlib, which is huge. |
| 09:24.56 | s-toned | How do I find out which package lsdev is in? apt-cache search gives no result |
| 09:25.05 | tarzeau | yaccobb: don't msg me, just ask here |
| 09:25.12 | tarzeau | dpkg tell yaccobb about audio |
| 09:25.18 | oleth | my problem is that I cant do CDrecord. I read the how-to but dont know how to load the needed modules. I edited the /etc/modules.conf and loaded all the other modules needed but I am still missing the iso9660 |
| 09:25.20 | yaccobb | ok, ok |
| 09:25.24 | Zta | AwesomeMachine, it's an error in iwconfig; I'm pretty sure of that since everything else works. |
| 09:25.28 | tarzeau | yaccobb: ac97 is not a soundcard |
| 09:25.30 | tra1a1a | s-toned : /msg dpkg find lsdev |
| 09:25.43 | Guerin | grr, seems squid only likes address ranges in xxx.0.0.0/255.0.0.0 form, not in xxx.0.0.0/8 form |
| 09:25.47 | wasto | hmm also nothing unusual in /var/log/XFree86.$DISPLAY.log (as far as i can see) |
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| 09:26.13 | yaccobb | tarzeau, um, It's identified so in WIn and on driver cd. |
| 09:26.27 | yaccobb | tarzeau, I have KT600 mainboard |
| 09:26.31 | jethro | Guerin: http://squid-docs.sourceforge.net/latest/html/x591.html#AEN624 |
| 09:26.31 | tomski | Hi, how do I find out the size of a folder from command line? |
| 09:26.39 | tarzeau | !folder |
| 09:26.40 | dpkg | well, folder is a directory damn it! or near My Computer and Network Neighborhood, or the things you put in a filing cabinet |
| 09:26.43 | jethro | Guerin: you should be able to use both |
| 09:26.52 | deadcat | tomski: dir |
| 09:26.52 | kerframil | tomski: du -sh folder |
| 09:27.03 | Guerin | jethro: i thought so too, but it didnae work. |
| 09:27.05 | directhex|work | yaccobb, AC97 is a standard. AC97 audio consists of two parts, a DSP chip and an AC97 codec chip |
| 09:27.06 | tra1a1a | wasto: let me check my crystal ball then |
| 09:27.18 | directhex|work | yaccobb, there are about three or four of each in common use. |
| 09:27.33 | yaccobb | tarzeau, and if it changes anything, i have sarge. ok, so what should I do first ? |
| 09:27.36 | jethro | Guerin: I ll try on mine and tell you |
| 09:28.02 | tarzeau | yaccobb: i will go eat first |
| 09:28.16 | oleth | when I do $cdrecord -scanbus I get "cant open /dev/pg*" |
| 09:28.27 | yaccobb | tarzeau, ok, i do the same;) |
| 09:28.56 | tomski | kerframil, is there a way to have it show it a bit more exact that in GB? |
| 09:29.06 | tra1a1a | oleth: check the gid of /dev/pg* and add yourself in this group |
| 09:29.09 | AwesomeMachine | Zta, I never cross compile and I don't know c I know little shell scripting |
| 09:29.09 | AwesomeMachine | what is iwconfig |
| 09:29.13 | AwesomeMachine | ls -la |
| 09:29.29 | tra1a1a | tomski : man du |
| 09:29.42 | directhex|work | oleth, usually meaning you're using an old 2.4 kernel, and don't have hdc=ide-scsi in your kernel options |
| 09:29.44 | s-toned | tra1a1a: it's in sysutils, thanks, but how do I find it without access to #debian? |
| 09:29.53 | directhex|work | where hdc could be something different on your system |
| 09:30.22 | jethro | Guerin: worksforme (tm) |
| 09:30.43 | Zta | AwesomeMachine, -rwxr-xr-x 1 root root 28777 May 25 2005 /sbin/iwconfig* |
| 09:30.44 | tra1a1a | s-toned: there is apt-file although it never worked for me. but then again I never really bothered to make it work. normally it should be just fine after you install it |
| 09:30.49 | oleth | hex: where do I find these to edit them and see what I have? |
| 09:30.56 | Guerin | jethro: i guess I must have fucked something else up then. |
| 09:30.57 | d03boy | how do I uninstall packages? |
| 09:30.58 | tomski | tra1a1a, just reading it :-) |
| 09:31.07 | tomski | kerframil, thanx |
| 09:31.12 | directhex|work | oleth, /etc/lilo.conf or /boot/grub/menu.lst, depending on your setup |
| 09:31.15 | Guerin | d03boy: apt-get remove packagesyoudontwant |
| 09:31.15 | Zta | AwesomeMachine, file iwconfig --> iwconfig: ELF 32-bit LSB executable, ARM, version 1 (ARM), for GNU/Linux 2.0.0, dynamically linked (uses shared libs), not stripped |
| 09:31.20 | jethro | Guerin: I m using 2.5.9-9 in unstable, I guess you fucked something as well :) |
| 09:31.25 | d03boy | ty |
| 09:31.30 | Guerin | jethro: sarge is the same version. |
| 09:31.30 | Zta | AwesomeMachine, perhaps I should try to link it statically. |
| 09:31.33 | jethro | Guerin: aight |
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| 09:32.20 | AwesomeMachine | Zta, I'm not sure |
| 09:33.43 | oleth | hex: I have grub. I can put the line everywhere in the file or are there limitations? |
| 09:34.06 | oleth | line I mean: hdc=ide-scsi |
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| 09:34.30 | yaccobb | end_request: I/O error, dev 16:43 (hdd), sector 0 |
| 09:34.30 | yaccobb | NTFS: Reading super block failed |
| 09:34.30 | yaccobb | <PROTECTED> |
| 09:34.45 | yaccobb | ? rules |
| 09:35.11 | Guerin | yaccobb: it means 'don't use ntfs, it's shit' |
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| 09:35.22 | oleth | hex:I see I have no hdx lines at all |
| 09:35.30 | yaccobb | ok, but i have some data i must get, the i Don't have to use it |
| 09:35.47 | Guerin | yaccobb: with a subtext of 'use a free, standardised, uncrippled filesystem' |
| 09:36.01 | liable | !tell ultraviolet16 about net-install |
| 09:36.04 | Guerin | yaccobb: boot into windows and copy it to a fat32 partition |
| 09:36.16 | liable | !tell ultraviolet16 about d-i |
| 09:36.21 | yaccobb | Guerin, no other way ? I hoped I will never have to do that... |
| 09:36.37 | yaccobb | Guerin, I mean to run Windows... |
| 09:36.53 | AwesomeMachine | yaccobb, use knoppix and burn the data to a cd |
| 09:36.53 | Guerin | yaccobb: basically, linux ntfs support b0rks if there's the slightest problem with the filesystem. It's fragile. |
| 09:37.28 | yaccobb | AwesomeMachine, well, there is about 40GB.. i don'T have enough CD's ;] |
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| 09:38.02 | yaccobb | Nooo, i will have to install windows.. WHY ?! grrr |
| 09:38.09 | AwesomeMachine | yaccobb, that's a lot |
| 09:38.31 | Guerin | yaccobb: you poor bastard |
| 09:38.38 | tra1a1a | haaaa :) |
| 09:38.39 | Nigel | deleting unneeded stuff (aka C:/windows & C:/program files) will save like 2-4gb maybe? |
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| 09:39.02 | Guerin | yeah, backing up 36G is less of a hassle than backing up 40G |
| 09:39.07 | Guerin | i have a better idea |
| 09:39.12 | yaccobb | Guerin, I am bastard because i just left microshit's tyrany ? thanks a lot. |
| 09:39.32 | Guerin | yaccobb: no, emphasis on POOR bastard. Meaning you're unfortunate. |
| 09:39.39 | Nigel | now go steal a mates DVD Burner, and his DVD+/-RW's and you don't have to burn as many disks |
| 09:39.55 | AwesomeMachine | i just wanted free software |
| 09:40.01 | liable | ok, I think I have progressed from 'going mad' to 'gone mad' |
| 09:40.02 | Guerin | yaccobb: go to a mate's house and move it off the drive, format your drive to fat32, move it back. |
| 09:40.21 | Guerin | yaccobb: you have mates who use windows, dontcha? |
| 09:40.24 | Nigel | when you have put the data back, you can return the drive and disks, and he won't know... |
| 09:40.33 | Guerin | heh |
| 09:40.44 | Guerin | i was actually suggesting asking him first, but what the hell |
| 09:40.45 | Nigel | Guerin: i think my idea is better, ;) |
| 09:41.00 | yaccobb | Guerin, that disk is mate's. Mine is already in ext3. But i have win disk and 4.3GB shit-disk... |
| 09:41.02 | AwesomeMachine | I think abortion is the human race commiting genocide against itself |
| 09:41.29 | Guerin | yaccobb: oh. you need more storage. |
| 09:41.39 | yaccobb | I think using Windows is commiting genocide against humanity.... |
| 09:41.43 | Nigel | shit-disk? is that like a USB-Stick? |
| 09:41.49 | tra1a1a | AwesomeMachine : you really think so? |
| 09:41.51 | Guerin | AwesomeMachine: can the moronic pseudociology, willya? |
| 09:41.51 | snail_ | is there a web page that tells me what information i need to extract from a segfault core dump to give the developers a clue to debugging? |
| 09:41.59 | yaccobb | Nigel, nope, just and oooold disk from ooold times. |
| 09:42.12 | Guerin | snail_: i think sending the whole thing in is usually best |
| 09:42.19 | directhex|work | !anti-microsoft cabal |
| 09:42.19 | dpkg | hmm... anti-microsoft cabal is everyone in #debian, or unproductive and immature - see http://img.penny-arcade.com/2002/20020722l.gif |
| 09:42.42 | tra1a1a | AwesomeMachine : please, share with us some more of your priceless thoughts! |
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| 09:42.52 | snail_ | Guerin: i sure hope that's a bad attempt at a joke... |
| 09:43.01 | Guerin | !anti-microsoft cabal =~ s/unp/p/ |
| 09:43.01 | dpkg | Guerin: OK |
| 09:43.08 | Guerin | !anti-microsoft cabal =~ s/imm/m/ |
| 09:43.08 | dpkg | OK, Guerin |
| 09:43.30 | Nigel | lol |
| 09:43.34 | kjparker | and the point of that is? |
| 09:43.36 | kjparker | :) |
| 09:43.36 | AwesomeMachine | windows is a spy trojan |
| 09:43.42 | Guerin | snail_: i said 'i think'. I'm happy to be proved wrong. |
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| 09:43.50 | AwesomeMachine | I can't do that |
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| 09:44.29 | AwesomeMachine | I'm really not very smart and that was just a brain fart |
| 09:45.02 | Guerin | AwesomeMachine: it sounds like you either need more or less drugs. |
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| 09:45.11 | yaccobb | but I mounted ntfs disk once... why can't i mount ntfs patrition ? |
| 09:45.13 | johns^ | microsoft's business policy sucks |
| 09:45.17 | Guerin | no |
| 09:45.22 | Guerin | their business policy is fine |
| 09:45.24 | Yatesy | err u can? |
| 09:45.25 | johns^ | windows does some tasks very good however |
| 09:45.32 | tra1a1a | !u |
| 09:45.32 | dpkg | Damnit Jim! It's YOU. Y-O-U. Not *U*. U is a letter. YOU is a word. See ne1, or wud. Dutch for 'you' (formal singular). See http://ars.userfriendly.org/cartoons/?id=20041201 |
| 09:45.46 | yaccobb | john, which ones ? |
| 09:45.48 | ircdevil | where would linux be if not for windows :o) |
| 09:45.58 | johns^ | dunno |
| 09:45.59 | Guerin | their tendency to obfuscate and break standards and proprietarise everything is what sucks |
| 09:46.00 | directhex|work | microsoft sell an array of products which all have their uses. as to whether they sell the best products for a given task at the best price point is up for debate |
| 09:46.08 | johns^ | maybe games |
| 09:46.18 | directhex|work | but "omgz micro$haft si teh evilz0x" serves no pupose but to make you look silly |
| 09:46.31 | johns^ | some people like it, so... |
| 09:46.37 | yaccobb | MANY people do |
| 09:46.46 | Guerin | some people like Boy George, too |
| 09:46.49 | yaccobb | because they are lazy to learn linux. |
| 09:46.52 | Guerin | TOO MANY |
| 09:46.58 | johns^ | SOME people like it |
| 09:47.05 | Guerin | MOST people accept it |
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| 09:47.07 | johns^ | MANY people just live with it |
| 09:47.07 | ircdevil | "the day microsoft makes a product that doesnt suck, it is a vacuum-cleaner" |
| 09:47.14 | Guerin | right |
| 09:47.16 | johns^ | hm. |
| 09:47.23 | johns^ | tweakui is fine |
| 09:47.25 | yaccobb | hehe |
| 09:47.26 | jethro | would you guys mind stop trolling? |
| 09:47.37 | johns^ | yes ;) |
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| 09:47.50 | Guerin | yaccobb: which is case in point. |
| 09:47.56 | ircdevil | yaccobb: ntfs supported by kernel? |
| 09:48.01 | johns^ | hm, there is a free ntfs implementation |
| 09:48.07 | kjparker | you should be able to mount it read only... |
| 09:48.08 | johns^ | and a commercial one |
| 09:48.09 | Guerin | ircdevil: it's throwing bad superblock errors |
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| 09:48.18 | yaccobb | ircdevil, I MOUNTED ntfs succesfuly once. but now it sucks |
| 09:48.20 | ircdevil | Guerin: eew |
| 09:48.29 | Guerin | yaccobb: you probably need to scandisk it |
| 09:48.31 | tra1a1a | yaccobb : mount -t ntfs /dev/<your_ntfs_partition> /whereever/you/like |
| 09:48.33 | peterS | actually it's throwing physical disk errors, isn't it? |
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| 09:48.46 | kjparker | in that case your boned.... |
| 09:48.59 | yaccobb | I did that.. i'll show you error... |
| 09:49.06 | tra1a1a | don't! |
| 09:49.14 | yaccobb | no ? |
| 09:49.15 | ircdevil | yaccobb: doent ntfs say "experimental" and "warning" all over in the kernel docs? |
| 09:49.18 | Guerin | peterS: it looked that way, but I've heard of a corrupted ntfs doing that too |
| 09:49.24 | tra1a1a | if you're about to paste read /msg dpkg paste first |
| 09:49.43 | yaccobb | i have 2.4.27 debian, so it's old ntfs driver. |
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| 09:50.13 | ircdevil | yaccobb: hmmm - get a live-cd with a newer kernel and try that? |
| 09:50.15 | peterS | yaccobb: that's not so old. that's ntfs 2.1.0, isn't it? I'm thinking that got merged in mid-2.4 |
| 09:50.18 | kjparker | yaccobb, have you tried reading it with a knoppix or similar recent live distro? |
| 09:50.23 | directhex|work | there are some bugs in the fs drivers in the sarge kernels. which is handy |
| 09:50.44 | yaccobb | kjparker, no, I have linux for two days;) |
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| 09:51.28 | yaccobb | well, people. i mounted all-ntfs disk, but't can't mount ntfs patritions. But fat32 from the same disk i can't. |
| 09:51.34 | kjparker | if your lucky, you ***might*** be able to read it using one of those.... |
| 09:51.47 | directhex|work | how likely is "dd if=/dev/sda of=/dev/sdb" to work, if /dev/sda contains a whole bunch of partitions & "work" means "produce a bootable mirror on sdb, such that sda can be removed" |
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| 09:52.06 | jesse-jads | exit |
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| 09:52.12 | peterS | directhex|work: won't work if sda has any disk errors. you'll want conv=noerror at least |
| 09:52.23 | peterS | directhex|work: if sdb is at least as large as sda, then yes, it should otherwise work |
| 09:52.33 | peterS | directhex|work: oh yeah, it also won't do the right thing if either sda or sdb has any partitions mounted |
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| 09:53.36 | dw_warlord | Hi! |
| 09:53.38 | directhex|work | peterS, so a knoppix job? |
| 09:53.38 | peterS | directhex|work: the "bootable" part I can't be entirely sure of, actually, if sdb doesn't have the same physical geometry as sda. it *should* work but the bios might freak out a bit |
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| 09:54.05 | kjparker | yacobb, you could try a recent live distro. If for no other reason than to be able to copy the data from the old disk to a cd/dvd or to another volume |
| 09:54.14 | directhex|work | peterS, that was my concern, either way the new disk will have different geometery. could mount, chroot and grub-install i suppose |
| 09:54.27 | peterS | directhex|work: actually if sda* are mounted but sdb is not, you can do this but you'll get "needs fsck" filesystems. not a big deal, you can probably fsck them and be fine |
| 09:54.36 | yaccobb | Let's say you have 160GB disk with 3 patritions (fat32,ntfs,ntfs) as /dev/hdd. How do i mont 2nd patrition ? |
| 09:54.49 | yaccobb | kjparker, what ? live distro ? |
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| 09:55.07 | kjparker | knoppix, for example |
| 09:55.13 | peterS | yaccobb: depends on whether the second partition is in an extended partition, or is a primary |
| 09:55.15 | kjparker | or debuntu |
| 09:55.18 | Nigel | on the BTS can you issue "retitle" control commands in replies? |
| 09:55.23 | kjparker | ? |
| 09:55.24 | jethro | debuntu? |
| 09:55.25 | peterS | yaccobb: it's probably in an extended partition in which case it's /dev/hdd5 |
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| 09:55.40 | kjparker | jethro, : i could be wrong... |
| 09:55.43 | yaccobb | peterS, oh, i try that... |
| 09:55.44 | jethro | wtf is debuntu? did you mean ubuntu instead? |
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| 09:55.48 | peterS | Nigel: you can issue any control commands if you CC control@b.d.o |
| 09:55.54 | kjparker | ooops, yep, that's it |
| 09:55.55 | kjparker | :) |
| 09:55.57 | jethro | :) |
| 09:56.14 | kjparker | i knew it ended in unto |
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| 09:56.38 | Nigel | peterS: and in that case, they should be at the start of the email followed by a simple "thanks"? |
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| 09:57.12 | yaccobb | peterS, Thank god, it works... thank you really much. |
| 09:57.18 | peterS | Nigel: see for example http://bugs.debian.org/cgi-bin/bugreport.cgi?bug=274859&msg=15 |
| 09:57.31 | Guerin | hah, quality |
| 09:57.34 | peterS | Nigel: that's a recent example I did with a CC to control@ |
| 09:57.40 | peterS | yaccobb: hey, cool |
| 09:57.58 | yaccobb | otherwise I must install windows... uuuuf |
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| 09:58.11 | peterS | Nigel: never mind the MIME cruft at the beginning. yes, a control command followed by a thanks line followed by the real message. |
| 09:58.59 | szzs | hi, i did an export http_proxy="ip:port" command. after that everytime when i open a shell it is set. this was ok. but now my proxy has changes and if i do another export command and logout and relogin i have the old one set. how can i change it to the new one so that everytime i log in i dont have to do an export cmd? |
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| 09:59.10 | h4ck3r | back :)) |
| 09:59.39 | Guerin | szzs: set it in bashrc or profile |
| 09:59.40 | peterS | szzs: you must have put your original export statement in ~/.bashrc or ~/.bash_profile or similar. edit whichever file you edited the first time |
| 09:59.46 | Guerin | h4ck3r: we care heaps |
| 10:00.09 | peterS | h4ck3r should really be spelled w4nk3r, no? or is that a mean thing to say? |
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| 10:00.27 | szzs | thank you Guerin, peterS |
| 10:00.28 | Phated | Heh. |
| 10:00.47 | yaccobb | hmm, what enviroiment do you use, guys ? |
| 10:00.58 | Phated | peterS: \/\/4/\|<3r! |
| 10:01.08 | directhex|work | right. 160gb seagate ordered. |
| 10:01.20 | cafuego | directhex|work: haha |
| 10:01.26 | directhex|work | and fingers crossed that i can transfer my working install from the current 160gb samsung |
| 10:01.35 | cafuego | !pal directhex|work |
| 10:01.37 | peterS | Phated: thanks, now I have to afk for awhile to rest my poor eyeballs |
| 10:01.37 | ZO0|AND3R | this gonna be betta I know :p |
| 10:01.43 | Phated | peterS: Sowweee. |
| 10:01.48 | shingouz | yaccobb: earthly? or did i misunderstand your question? |
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| 10:02.19 | yaccobb | shingouz, what ? i can't translate that sentence. |
| 10:02.39 | yaccobb | shingouz, I don't speak eng. |
| 10:02.57 | yaccobb | what's the meaning of 'earthly' ? |
| 10:03.05 | Phated | Of this earth? |
| 10:03.09 | Phated | Oh, FFS. |
| 10:03.10 | Guerin | yaccobb: i think he means 'i breather a mix of nitrogen, oxygen and other gases, and I drink mostly water and beer' |
| 10:03.11 | Phated | :dict earthly |
| 10:03.19 | Guerin | yaccobb: that being the earthly atmosphere |
| 10:03.24 | Nigel | yaccobb: enviroment Mark II, the first one was hit too hard by CO2 for me... |
| 10:03.41 | yaccobb | ok, ok, don crucify me... |
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| 10:04.06 | Guerin | yaccobb: you must drink beer, too! Surely... |
| 10:04.08 | yaccobb | I mean't desktom enviroiment like gnome, kde and so on.... |
| 10:04.14 | Nigel | yaccobb: oh you mean like i386? cos thats the other type of enviroment i use... |
| 10:04.27 | yaccobb | *desktop |
| 10:04.32 | shingouz | CLI and Xfce (if I need X) |
| 10:04.33 | tra1a1a | yaccobb: to say it otherwise each one of us uses the environment of his/her preference so join us and use the one that you like |
| 10:04.34 | gass | hey ... how can gwget2 have a bug report http://bugs.debian.org/cgi-bin/pkgreport.cgi?pkg=gwget2 , and no package ingo at http://packages.debian.org/gwget2 ? |
| 10:04.39 | Guerin | yaccobb: i use openbox, nowadays |
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| 10:05.06 | yaccobb | tralala, that's why I ask, to find my favourite. |
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| 10:05.39 | shingouz | yaccobb: depends on what you want it to do an dhow fast hardware you have. |
| 10:05.47 | tra1a1a | yaccobb: don't ask us what your favourite environment is (will be) - ask your crystal ball instead |
| 10:06.02 | tra1a1a | or better try some and decide |
| 10:06.10 | tra1a1a | !wm |
| 10:06.11 | dpkg | to set your system-wide default window manager, use "update-alternatives --config x-window-manager". or "update-alternatives --config x-session-manager" For your personal WM, use ~/.xsession if you use xdm or kdm (or gdm with a "Debian session") 'startx' reads .xsession or .xinitrc; "apt-cache showpkg x-window-manager" will give you a list of available WMs. |
| 10:06.53 | yaccobb | tralala: grrr, i must dicover them firt to try them(how suprissing) do you think I know tem all ? |
| 10:07.28 | shingouz | yaccobb: as i said, what kind of hardware you run. if you have a 486 do not even dream of using gnome |
| 10:07.48 | tra1a1a | yaccobb: read above |
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| 10:08.10 | Guerin | yaccobb: kde and gnome are windowsish - kde moreso. xfce4 is vaguely macish. openbox is minimal, but very customisable. windowmanager is openstep-like. etc. |
| 10:08.13 | matt___ | Hi Guys, how can I view the contents of an installed package from the cli? |
| 10:08.30 | Guerin | yaccobb: xwinman.org will give you the skinny |
| 10:08.30 | yaccobb | shingouz, athlonXP 2100+, 512ram, graphic are st on VESA but i have radeon 9250;) |
| 10:08.35 | Guerin | matt___: dpkg -L packagename |
| 10:08.36 | shingouz | matt___: dpkg -L foo |
| 10:08.39 | petemc | matt___: contents? dpkg -L package will show all files |
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| 10:09.08 | shingouz | yaccobb: with that cpu, pretty much anything. do you want to have a real basic desktop or something that can do a song and a dance too? |
| 10:09.09 | yaccobb | Guerin, oh, thanks |
| 10:09.10 | matt___ | Why thank you! ;-) |
| 10:09.17 | matt___ | That was easy |
| 10:09.23 | shingouz | debian is |
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| 10:09.33 | Guerin | man dpkg makes it even easier |
| 10:10.10 | yaccobb | shingouz, well, I wanna fully use my PC, I don't like mimimalistic empty desktops... but it shoul be efficient. |
| 10:10.17 | shingouz | i have to say that the dpkg manual is not a small or easy one when you try to read it for the first time though |
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| 10:10.26 | Guerin | yaccobb: you probably want kde or gnome, then |
| 10:10.41 | Guerin | yaccobb: i recommend kde over gnome, but others will probably flame me for that. |
| 10:10.51 | shingouz | yaccobb: as said, gnome or kde most of the time |
| 10:11.04 | kjparker | i tend to lean towards gnome... |
| 10:11.08 | matt___ | I did look very quickly......I also tried to see if Aptitude had the functionality (but coudn't find that quickly either) |
| 10:11.11 | Guerin | but honestly, i'd recommend xfce4 over either of those. |
| 10:11.14 | yaccobb | Guerin, I have gnome already, KDE is slow they say. |
| 10:11.21 | Guerin | yaccobb: no slower than gnome. |
| 10:11.40 | gall | Guerin: You don't sleep ? |
| 10:11.43 | Guerin | yaccobb: pitw: my wife runs it on a p3-733 with 384 just fine |
| 10:11.46 | yaccobb | Guerin, no ? xfce IS minimalistic, isn't it ? |
| 10:11.49 | shingouz | gall: he is a bot |
| 10:11.54 | tra1a1a | I dunno what they say, but I know what I said - try some and find out what you like |
| 10:11.54 | Guerin | gall: i sleep at night, usually. |
| 10:12.03 | shingouz | yaccobb: openlook is minimalsitic :) |
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| 10:12.23 | Guerin | yaccobb: not really minimalistic. It has a panel and a toolbar and a bunch of applets and stuff. |
| 10:12.32 | Guerin | ratpoison is minimalistic |
| 10:12.35 | gall | Guerin: In the night you help me :> |
| 10:12.44 | tra1a1a | it's middle-east-ic :) |
| 10:12.50 | yaccobb | ou shit, gnome-commander stuck in 'preparing' when trying to compy from ntfs... :( |
| 10:12.53 | Guerin | gall: that was this morning ... welcome to the rest of the world. |
| 10:13.06 | Guerin | yaccobb: NEVER use gnome's copy tools |
| 10:13.06 | shingouz | yaccobb: ntfs and linux is bad news most of the time |
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| 10:13.17 | Guerin | yaccobb: always use cp from the command line |
| 10:13.29 | yaccobb | ok, what total-commander like stuff shoul I use, guys ? |
| 10:13.29 | Guerin | (when doing anything important) |
| 10:13.33 | directhex|work | hm, yaccobb seems to have a point, 9250 isn't in "man radeon" on sarge/sid |
| 10:13.35 | Guerin | yaccobb: mc |
| 10:13.39 | gall | Guerin: In my localtime was 2 on the night :> |
| 10:14.10 | yaccobb | midninght comander ? that lovely text one ? ok;) |
| 10:14.18 | Guerin | gall: sounds like central eurpose |
| 10:14.22 | Guerin | europe even |
| 10:14.23 | tra1a1a | directhex|work: nevertheless it works with this drivers |
| 10:14.36 | yaccobb | I am in right cenetr of europe.... |
| 10:14.42 | directhex|work | tra1a1a, he uses vesa, which works with everything |
| 10:14.47 | Guerin | yaccobb: hungary? |
| 10:14.51 | Guerin | </troll> |
| 10:15.08 | yaccobb | Guerin, Long lost bastion of mother Russia... |
| 10:15.17 | Guerin | yaccobb: ooh. Poland? |
| 10:15.24 | directhex|work | turkmenistan |
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| 10:15.31 | yaccobb | Guerin, lol, Czech republic. and you ? |
| 10:15.34 | Guerin | naw, that's not in yurp |
| 10:15.43 | Guerin | yaccobb: korea, long bastion of America. |
| 10:15.43 | yaccobb | USA ? |
| 10:15.58 | Guerin | yaccobb: czech beer is awesome. |
| 10:16.02 | yaccobb | Guerin, you know english well for non-american... |
| 10:16.17 | Guerin | yaccobb: I'm from New Zealand. |
| 10:16.21 | yaccobb | Guerin, that IS (although i don't like beer at all) |
| 10:16.29 | yaccobb | Guerin, oh. |
| 10:16.33 | directhex|work | interestingly, xorg on ubuntu appears to also not show the 9250 |
| 10:16.35 | Guerin | you live in .cz and don't like BEER? |
| 10:16.43 | Guerin | move out and make room for ssomeone else! |
| 10:16.45 | directhex|work | could probably kludge it with ChipID fiddles |
| 10:16.57 | Mage\work | Belgian beers > * |
| 10:17.04 | petemc | no |
| 10:17.10 | petemc | guinness > * |
| 10:17.15 | yaccobb | noone who have brain in head can move to cz. |
| 10:17.19 | Guerin | Mage\work: different beers for different purposes |
| 10:17.22 | yaccobb | it's ass of europe |
| 10:17.24 | directhex|work | boobies > * |
| 10:17.35 | shingouz | yaccobb: wrong. fi is. |
| 10:17.43 | Guerin | directhex|work: boobies and beer > * boobies or beer |
| 10:17.46 | Nigel | Guerin: didn't you read the budget?, to save costs on drunken-people healthcare, beer and other alcohol will be banned ;) |
| 10:17.49 | yaccobb | shift, Finland ? Are u kidding ? |
| 10:18.00 | shingouz | yaccobb: i am not kidding |
| 10:18.02 | Nigel | from about 2015 i think it said |
| 10:18.04 | Nigel | :P |
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| 10:18.46 | yaccobb | shingouz, Finland is much above(if above='higher than') us. |
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| 10:19.05 | Mage\work | I always would like to live in Finland .. or Norway or Iceland .. :< |
| 10:19.07 | yaccobb | ok, get pause to copy those stupid ntfs files |
| 10:19.21 | shingouz | Mage\work: lets trade |
| 10:19.24 | yaccobb | how can i terminate stuck proces in gnome btw ? |
| 10:19.31 | Mage\work | ok :p |
| 10:19.45 | shingouz | anyways, i need to take my wonderful personality afk and go pseeter a few stupid finns in 3d |
| 10:19.52 | shingouz | yaccobb: man killall |
| 10:20.05 | shingouz | s/pseeter/pester |
| 10:20.10 | yaccobb | shingouz, oh yes, man is greaaat tool |
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| 10:20.23 | shingouz | yaccobb: kill, killall, xkill |
| 10:20.31 | directhex|work | gnome-system-monitor |
| 10:20.49 | Guerin | Nigel: yeah yeah. I know. |
| 10:20.57 | yaccobb | directhex|work, yep, that's it. thanks |
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| 10:21.53 | Guerin | Nigel: i should vote. |
| 10:22.05 | Guerin | but they don't make it easy from overseas. |
| 10:22.32 | kjparker | hmm, how do i find out where a package is. when i try and install it, it says that it exists but there is no installation candidate |
| 10:23.01 | kjparker | pckage in question is libdvdcss2 |
| 10:23.02 | Guerin | kjparker: packages.debian.org/packagename |
| 10:23.10 | Guerin | kjparker: oh. not in debian. |
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| 10:23.27 | Guerin | kjparker: i think marillat has it - ask dpkg about him |
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| 10:23.42 | directhex|work | !libdvdcss2 |
| 10:24.10 | tra1a1a | !libdvdcss |
| 10:24.10 | dpkg | To get libdvdcss, follow the instructions in /usr/share/doc/libdvdread?/; or run /usr/share/doc/libdvdread?/examples/install-css.sh |
| 10:24.17 | directhex|work | dpkg, libdvdcss2 is NOT in debian - those who even utter its name can expect to be shipped to Guantanamo Bay. for filthy patent-free europeans, /msg dpkg marillat |
| 10:24.17 | dpkg | directhex|work: okay |
| 10:24.38 | Guerin | i'm going to have to read that soon |
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| 10:24.57 | tra1a1a | patent-free for the moment only |
| 10:25.16 | Bwl_ | Is it possible to access a NAT'ed FTP server which is placed behind a router with only port 21 open? |
| 10:25.33 | Guerin | if the port is forwarded, yeah. |
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| 10:26.08 | Bwl_ | But I don't understand why it doesn't work now. All I've done is to remove my iptables settings on the NAT'ed FTP-server. |
| 10:26.11 | yaccobb | wow, mc works. uuf. btw my Debian Menu in applications panel is empty... anyone know why ? last instalation it worked and now... |
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| 10:26.24 | peterS | yaccobb: make sure the 'menu' package is installed |
| 10:26.46 | tra1a1a | Bwl_: google for lart |
| 10:26.55 | jbmigel | anyone know an apt equivalent to gentoo's "emerge --pretend"? |
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| 10:27.09 | tra1a1a | and read man iptables and /usr/share/doc/iptables/html |
| 10:27.12 | directhex|work | --dry-run |
| 10:27.19 | directhex|work | or --simulate |
| 10:27.22 | directhex|work | or -s |
| 10:27.26 | directhex|work | if memory serves, at least |
| 10:27.31 | jbmigel | thx |
| 10:27.34 | directhex|work | try man apt-get |
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| 10:27.44 | jbmigel | lol am doing that now |
| 10:27.55 | Bwl_ | tra1a1a: The router isn't running iptables .. it's just a cheap d-link |
| 10:28.01 | tra1a1a | !thx |
| 10:28.01 | dpkg | THX is an audio technology company founded by George Lucas. See http://www.thx.com. If you mean "thanks", please just say so. Thx. |
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| 10:28.15 | yaccobb | peterS, thanks again. I suppose it will work after next login ? |
| 10:28.19 | tra1a1a | Bwl_: too bad |
| 10:28.22 | Bwl_ | tra1a1a: The server behind the d-link were running iptables, but I removed it since it just took memory. |
| 10:28.31 | peterS | yaccobb: just restart mc |
| 10:28.50 | Bwl_ | tra1a1a: And now when iptables are removed, the FTP-server cannot be accessed.. that's what's puzzling me. |
| 10:28.56 | peterS | yaccobb: or, if you're worried about menus in some other place, like a window manager, restart *that* |
| 10:29.15 | Guerin | Bwl_: what's puzzling about that? |
| 10:29.17 | yaccobb | peterS, um... how ? |
| 10:29.36 | jbmigel | directhex|work ya its -s, --simulate, --just-print, --dry-run, --recon, --no-act, |
| 10:29.39 | peterS | yaccobb: some window managers have a way through some menu to restart themselves. others, you might have to log off / back on |
| 10:29.48 | tra1a1a | Bwl_: you mean it could before? |
| 10:29.55 | Bwl_ | tra1a1a: Yes, exactly |
| 10:29.58 | yaccobb | peterS, ok |
| 10:30.22 | Bwl_ | tra1a1a: Does the nat_ftp module has any impact maybe? |
| 10:30.31 | yaccobb | have anyone mood to help me with sound card instalation ? ;] |
| 10:31.43 | peterS | yaccobb: tell us what the problem is and we might. we won't make commitments ahead of time, though |
| 10:31.44 | jbmigel | yaccobb is kernel 2.6 i think alsa-utils should do it |
| 10:32.02 | yaccobb | jbmigel, um, i have 2.4.27 |
| 10:32.25 | Bwl_ | Guerin: I removed iptables from the FTP-server behind the firewall .. and then the FTP-service stopped working. (pasv mode failing ..) |
| 10:32.41 | yaccobb | peterS, sorry, but that's all i know - 'sound doesn't wok'. how should i start ? |
| 10:32.56 | tra1a1a | Bwl_: I doubt it |
| 10:33.07 | yaccobb | alsamixer etc don't even because of errors. |
| 10:33.12 | tra1a1a | is it working from inside? |
| 10:33.17 | Bwl_ | yes |
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| 10:33.33 | Guerin | yaccobb: what sound card do you have? |
| 10:33.36 | peterS | yaccobb: what sound chip? lspci -n | awk '/0401/{print $4}' will tell us, if you don't know |
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| 10:34.04 | Bwl_ | tra1a1a: Then there has to be something else that has happened. I also think it sounds weird. :) |
| 10:34.19 | j_k | yaccobb: I'd suggest upgrading to a 2.6 kernel which has ALSA (the modern sound drivers) built-in. |
| 10:34.41 | yaccobb | peterS, that command prind just '(rev'. |
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| 10:34.52 | tra1a1a | use tcpdump on the server, try connecting from outside, see if you get the request |
| 10:34.58 | peterS | yaccobb: ahh. different versions of lspci do different things. please change $4 to $3 in that command |
| 10:34.59 | yaccobb | Guerin, i know it's AC97, nothing else... |
| 10:35.04 | Guerin | !ac97 |
| 10:35.05 | dpkg | There's no universal driver for every single motherboard that uses ac97 audio. ac97 is just the codec, you need a driver for your audio chip. For OSS, this is usually either i810_audio or via82cxxx_audio; for ALSA, it's usually one of snd-intel8x0 (see also <intel8x0>), snd-au8810 or snd-via82xx. Use lspci to check. |
| 10:35.08 | tra1a1a | if not it's the router's fault |
| 10:35.53 | yaccobb | peterS, 1106:3059 |
| 10:36.06 | peterS | yaccobb: right, ok, that's a standard via audio chip |
| 10:36.14 | peterS | yaccobb: load the module 'via82cxxx_audio' |
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| 10:36.28 | peterS | yaccobb: do this: modprobe via82cxxx_audio |
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| 10:36.37 | peterS | yaccobb: then do this: echo via82cxxx_audio >> /etc/modules |
| 10:36.40 | yaccobb | peterS, ok, try... |
| 10:36.53 | mihaly | I get "error while loading shared libraries: libstdc++-libc6.2-2.so.3: cannot open shared object file: No such file or directory |
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| 10:37.11 | mihaly | when trying to install J2EE |
| 10:37.31 | peterS | I really *must* figure out which versions of pciutils print which format of output so I can tell people the right command line in the future |
| 10:37.36 | yaccobb | done, nothing happens, that's good, isn't it ? ;) |
| 10:37.44 | Guerin | !soundcheck |
| 10:37.44 | dpkg | Pff pff, is this thing on? cat /vmlinuz > /dev/dsp; if it doesn't fail, you either have OSS or alsa with OSS emulation working. |
| 10:38.13 | peterS | yaccobb: right, your sound should be working. the other thing to do, as root, is make sure your regular user is a member of the 'audio' group. 'adduser yourusername audio' will accomplish this |
| 10:38.23 | peterS | yaccobb: that done, you'll need to log off / log on to gain that permission |
| 10:38.52 | Guerin | newgrp audio will work too |
| 10:38.53 | yaccobb | hmmm, sound doesn't seem to work... |
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| 10:38.55 | mihaly | anyone? |
| 10:39.07 | streuner__ | !doesn't work |
| 10:39.07 | dpkg | Look buddy, doesn't work is an ambiguous statement. Does it sit on the couch all day? Does it want more money? Does it waste its time on IRC all day long? Please be specific! Define 'it' and what it isn't doing. |
| 10:39.11 | streuner__ | !anyone |
| 10:39.11 | dpkg | ***anyone: No such nick/channel - and yes, there probably is someone, somewhere, who knows or runs it; that doesn't mean *I* do. |
| 10:39.25 | peterS | yaccobb: finally, run a mixer application like 'aumix' to turn your volume levels up. they might have started out at 0. |
| 10:39.28 | gass | http://kitenet.net/~joey/blog/entry/why_debian_sarge_wont_release_today-2005-05-24-20-35.html |
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| 10:39.38 | streuner__ | !find libstdc++-libc6.2-2.so.3 |
| 10:39.39 | Joe7Dice | hi |
| 10:39.40 | peterS | gass: yeah, he's a funny guy when he wants to be |
| 10:39.50 | dpkg | Debian Package/File/Desc Search of 'libstdc++-libc6.2-2.so.3' returned no results. |
| 10:39.52 | directhex|work | libstdc++2.10-glibc2.2: usr/lib/libstdc++-libc6.2-2.so.3 |
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| 10:40.09 | mihaly | I tryed to search in variants of it |
| 10:40.27 | mihaly | and installad some...but still the same message |
| 10:40.29 | directhex|work | have you apt-get installed libstdc++2.10-glibc2.2 yet? |
| 10:40.38 | gass | peterS: yes ... mut it is relly nice to read. found it really funny (not being) with ximian-conector and gdm entries |
| 10:40.43 | Joe7Dice | Guys, is it normal to get massive load on server over 6.0 while a user uploading files with 10mbit/sec? |
| 10:40.47 | mihaly | didn't try that one |
| 10:41.00 | anhi | Joe7Dice: what way? scp? |
| 10:41.09 | jbmigel | TMTOWTDI? |
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| 10:41.18 | Joe7Dice | anni scp or proftpd..doesnt really matter as tests shown :/ |
| 10:41.25 | mihaly | it worked now.... thanks! |
| 10:41.45 | streuner__ | !prize directhex|work |
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| 10:43.10 | yaccobb | peterS, alsamixer: function snd_ctl_open failed for default: No such device |
| 10:43.17 | tra1a1a | Joe7Dice : it probably means shitty nic/driver |
| 10:43.35 | streuner__ | yaccobb: uname -a |
| 10:43.37 | peterS | yaccobb: alsamixer will not work because you don't have an ALSA driver loaded. use a different mixer |
| 10:43.41 | yaccobb | peterS, my user is in 'audio' group |
| 10:43.43 | peterS | streuner__: he's running 2.4.27 |
| 10:43.48 | streuner__ | oh |
| 10:44.12 | yaccobb | peterS, well, but even gnome's tray mixer don't work... |
| 10:44.40 | peterS | yaccobb: that's odd, gnome's tray mixer should. but I don't have it on hand to test - can you try with 'aumix'? |
| 10:44.42 | DoktorTomoe | how do I get exim to actually accept incomming mail? mail appears in rejectlog, but is not forwarded (althought the sender is a perfectly normal mail server, no open relay or something funny.) |
| 10:44.45 | peterS | it's small and simple |
| 10:44.51 | Joe7Dice | tra1a1a can be.. how could i know it? i mean what should i try to decide what cause the problem? any idea? |
| 10:45.23 | yaccobb | peterS, have aumx |
| 10:45.23 | tra1a1a | Joe7Dice: ask google about your nic's linux status |
| 10:45.29 | Guerin | Mr. Hess is caustic today |
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| 10:45.57 | golanx | hi, i need a hint: do you know any VCG viewer under KDE 3.3 or higher ? |
| 10:46.09 | streuner__ | Guerin: 'Mr. Hess'? |
| 10:46.27 | yaccobb | peterS, sry. Don't have 'aumix' |
| 10:46.34 | directhex|work | woo, JANET makes for nice fast downloads |
| 10:46.48 | tra1a1a | golanx: a hint for you - apt-cache search |
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| 10:46.58 | peterS | !installit |
| 10:46.58 | dpkg | *** NEWS FLASH! Your box does not come with every app, tool and utility known to debiankind installed already. If you find that the program you've been told to use isn't there, install it. Also ask me about <search>. |
| 10:47.07 | yaccobb | peterS, I'll install it |
| 10:47.08 | tra1a1a | golanx: and another one - google |
| 10:47.14 | golanx | tra1a1a: I have only "vcg" package, that doesn't work |
| 10:47.19 | tarzeau | streuner__: hi |
| 10:47.25 | golanx | tra1a1a: stop being ironic, shut up |
| 10:47.37 | streuner__ | tarzeau: hello |
| 10:47.42 | golanx | If I ask for help, don't waste your precious time with me |
| 10:47.44 | yaccobb | peterS, aumix: error opening mixer |
| 10:47.55 | tra1a1a | I'm not being ironic |
| 10:47.59 | tarzeau | streuner__: what's the underscores good for? |
| 10:48.01 | golanx | sarcastic? |
| 10:48.19 | peterS | yaccobb: oh good, a nice and descriptive error |
| 10:48.25 | golanx | I already used apt-cache search, and google... I can find only "VCG" package, that doesn't work on my computer |
| 10:48.31 | streuner__ | tarzeau: nothing specific, its my windows box - playing games ;-) |
| 10:48.32 | peterS | yaccobb: does 'dmesg | tail' have anything to say about your sound chip initialising or not initialising/ |
| 10:48.33 | golanx | that's why I'm asking here |
| 10:48.47 | tarzeau | streuner__: hey, tried this yet? http://bub-n-bros.sf.net/ ? |
| 10:48.51 | golanx | for other packages |
| 10:49.11 | tra1a1a | golanx: and I was supposed to know that you did because... what? |
| 10:49.23 | tra1a1a | s/I was/we were/ |
| 10:49.38 | yaccobb | peterS, nope, just ten lines of the same NTFS char conversion error;) |
| 10:50.11 | streuner__ | tarzeau: nope - not yet |
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| 10:50.26 | peterS | yaccobb: but the module is loaded? 'lsmod' shows via82cxxx_audio? |
| 10:50.31 | golanx | tra1a1a: you were just hurting... that's why I didn't like your lines |
| 10:50.33 | tarzeau | streuner__: we've had lots of fun, ask abrotman, be there tonight: #bub-n-bros |
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| 10:51.06 | ar3dam | hi there.... |
| 10:51.15 | tra1a1a | golanx: I was just pointing you to the first places, you should check, because you didn't say you've already done so |
| 10:51.29 | Joe7Dice | tra1a1a thanks..it is Realtek Semiconductor Co., Ltd. RTL-8139/8139C/8139C+ (rev 16) |
| 10:51.54 | tra1a1a | Joe7Dice: so what does google say? is it shitty? |
| 10:52.03 | yaccobb | peterS, thtere is only 'via82cxxx' without '_audio'. But this was in lmod before i think... |
| 10:52.12 | yaccobb | *lsmod |
| 10:52.15 | ar3dam | i need to find software like norton ghost, but open source.. any advice? |
| 10:52.23 | directhex|work | dd |
| 10:52.24 | golanx | tra1a1a: let's drop it... |
| 10:52.26 | peterS | yaccobb: via82cxxx is an IDE chip module. via82cxxx_audio is an audio chip module. same motherboard. |
| 10:52.33 | tarzeau | ar3dam: www.linuks.mine.nu/ubercopy/ |
| 10:52.48 | yaccobb | peterS, that's what i was affraid... |
| 10:52.54 | Joe7Dice | tra1a1a no "shitty info" yet |
| 10:52.59 | peterS | yaccobb: so, run 'modprobe via82cxxx_audio' |
| 10:53.52 | yaccobb | peterS, i already did.. but now there is new line: via82cxxx_audio 17404 0 (unused) |
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| 10:54.06 | peterS | yaccobb: ok now try the gnome mixer thing or aumix |
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| 10:54.45 | Guerin | streuner: joey hess, as in the above 'why sarge isn't released yet' blog |
| 10:54.47 | yaccobb | well, gnome is still muted, bu aumix has loaded... |
| 10:54.52 | Guerin | probably on p.d.n too |
| 10:55.03 | Guerin | i gotta say |
| 10:55.18 | Guerin | the mysql-doc license debacle is a good one |
| 10:55.28 | Guerin | how incompetent is that shit |
| 10:55.31 | peterS | Guerin: yeah, agreed |
| 10:55.44 | moi | hey, i've an installed debian server here. i got some other machines which disks are empty. i want to copy over the complete disk from machine 1 which runs debian onto the others so the other are identical to the first machine. how can i do that? |
| 10:55.50 | peterS | Guerin: no permission to distribute. and yet red hat does. how nice of them |
| 10:55.51 | Guerin | the guy from mysql just didn't understand what he was being told, at all. |
| 10:55.59 | tarzeau | moi: www.linuks.mine.nu/ssh/ |
| 10:56.15 | Guerin | peterS: i guess if it was up to that guy, they wouldn't enforce it ... but i bet it's not up to that guy |
| 10:56.25 | tarzeau | moi: you want a live cd like http://livecd.gnustep.org/ |
| 10:56.30 | moi | tarzeau: the other machines do not have anything installed. so do i have to first setup a os there? |
| 10:56.40 | tarzeau | moi: no, a live cd will do |
| 10:56.41 | yaccobb | peterS, um, aumix works, gnome volume control not... i try run some mp3 |
| 10:56.41 | peterS | Guerin: it's clearly an oversight to begin with. obviously they want people to distribute the mysql docs. so I agree, they probably wouldn't enforce it in any case |
| 10:56.49 | moi | tarzeau, mhh that sounds pretty good |
| 10:56.55 | tarzeau | moi: *hint* it's great if you can boot knoppix via netboot |
| 10:57.08 | tra1a1a | moi: run knoppix on the other machines, on the server: netcat other_machine port < /dev/hda, other machine: netcat -l -p port > /dev/hda |
| 10:57.13 | moi | tarzeau: and if the other machines would be like.. bigger disks more ram or so, would that kill the process? |
| 10:57.14 | peterS | yaccobb: possibly the gnome thing will require logging out / in, because it's probably tied to esd or something. anyway... |
| 10:57.26 | tarzeau | moi: no problem, read what i gave you |
| 10:57.33 | tarzeau | tra1a1a: that doesn't work well with smaller disks |
| 10:57.34 | Guerin | peterS: but it shows a profound lack of understanding of free software licensing, on the part of the devs (who presumably read and wrote and edited the doc) and the legal team |
| 10:57.36 | moi | tarzeau: thanks for the informations |
| 10:57.51 | peterS | Guerin: indeed |
| 10:58.07 | tra1a1a | terze: indeed |
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| 10:58.18 | tra1a1a | tarzeau: indddeed |
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| 10:58.24 | tra1a1a | baaah |
| 10:58.31 | yaccobb | peterS, ok, it play, thanks again. and... what am I using if not alsa drivers ? |
| 10:58.44 | peterS | yaccobb: you're using the old sound drivers, known as "OSS" |
| 10:59.14 | peterS | yaccobb: if you want to switch to alsa, you can. you'll have to install a kernel modules package corresponding to your kernel image package. then I can tell you what modules to unload and load to make that work |
| 10:59.37 | peterS | yaccobb: it's a certain amount of trouble but, I suppose, not *that* much |
| 10:59.37 | Bwl | tra1a1a: I believe that ip_conntrack_ftp actually was the reason why FTP worked for me before. |
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| 11:00.31 | yaccobb | peterS, I'd be glad if you do... well, but step by step please, I'd like to do it myself next time ;) |
| 11:00.44 | peterS | yaccobb: ok. start by typing 'uname -r'. that will say 2.4.27-something |
| 11:01.10 | peterS | yaccobb: you'll want to install a package 'alsa-modules-2.4.27-something' matching the same name |
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| 11:01.16 | yaccobb | peterS, ok, i try synaptic... |
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| 11:01.41 | peterS | yaccobb: then edit /etc/modules, remove via82cxxx_audio and add two other lines: "snd-via82xx" and "snd-pcm-oss" (without the "") |
| 11:02.03 | jim | not by using modconf? |
| 11:02.08 | Guerin | no |
| 11:02.10 | Guerin | modconf bad |
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| 11:02.27 | jim | mind elaborating? |
| 11:02.42 | peterS | yaccobb: then 'rmmod via82cxxx_audio ac97_codec sound' to remove your old sound modules from the running kernel |
| 11:02.53 | peterS | yaccobb: finally 'modprobe snd-via82xx' and then 'modprobe snd-pcm-oss' |
| 11:03.17 | jim | or is this just a bias toward using the most basic way to generate the config file? |
| 11:03.20 | peterS | yaccobb: those last couple of steps won't be necessary next time you boot, since they are listed in your /etc/modules file |
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| 11:03.37 | Guerin | jim: minimal force doctrine |
| 11:03.54 | jim | what's your point |
| 11:03.54 | yaccobb | peterS, ok. And btw.. shouldn' t I switch to 2.6.x kernel before that ? |
| 11:04.10 | peterS | yaccobb: you can if you want. nothing particularly wrong with 2.4.27 though |
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| 11:04.36 | tra1a1a | Bwl: that's easy to check set it up again and see if it works. however I don't believe it will be the case for a server... |
| 11:05.07 | Guerin | jim: you don't know what a minimal force doctrine is? And can't figure it out from the name? |
| 11:05.36 | jim | you're not explaining how that applies to modconf |
| 11:05.36 | jbmigel | Guerin is that the same as shoot first ask questions later? |
| 11:05.50 | Guerin | jbmigel: the opposite, actually. |
| 11:05.57 | jbmigel | ahhhhhhh |
| 11:06.26 | peterS | jim: modconf is ok if you have no idea what your module will be called. it only gets in the way if someone already told you what it's called - because then you have to find that name by navigating through directories whose names don't always make sense |
| 11:06.26 | Bwl | tra1a1a: I'm compiling the new kernel now, hopefully. At least, something in my firewall must enable the FTP-connection. ;) |
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| 11:06.54 | Guerin | jbmigel: don't use a sledgehammer to squash flies. Don't use the SAS to get a cat out of a tree. Don't use a $1 word when a 50c word will do. |
| 11:06.55 | yaccobb | peterS, why there is 'snd-pcm-oss' when i am not using OSS drivers ? (or em I ?) |
| 11:07.16 | peterS | yaccobb: snd-pcm-oss is a compatibility module. it allows apps to think they are talking to OSS drivers when they are actually using ALSA |
| 11:07.18 | Guerin | jim: take note :) |
| 11:07.18 | jim | but if the file had been generated by modconf, won't it be hard for modconf to read later if it's hand-edited? |
| 11:07.25 | tra1a1a | Bwl: your ftp connection is enabled unless explicitly disabled, btw what's your default policy of the input chain? |
| 11:07.50 | peterS | yaccobb: that way, apps which know how to talk to ALSA will work, and apps which do not know about ALSA will *also* work |
| 11:07.54 | Guerin | jim: no. |
| 11:07.58 | moi | heh, another problem. i've real mode poweroff installed into the kernel , but the machine just won't turn off as the most other do.. any suggestions? (apm etc. is enabled in bios) |
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| 11:08.18 | Bwl | tra1a1a: https://www.redhat.com/archives/fedora-list/2004-December/msg04663.html |
| 11:08.21 | Guerin | jim: not if modconf has been properly written; and if it hasn't, it's not worth using. |
| 11:08.22 | jim | actually take the if off, and just take the consequent, since it applies no matter how the file was originally generated |
| 11:08.28 | yaccobb | peterS, oh I see... how do you teched all those things ? |
| 11:08.31 | peterS | moi: SMP kernel and machine? |
| 11:08.32 | tra1a1a | Bwl: fedora?! |
| 11:08.40 | jim | ok, so this -is- a bias against using such tools |
| 11:08.43 | peterS | yaccobb: I've picked up this stuff over a span of several years |
| 11:08.47 | Bwl | tra1a1a: Yes, fedora comes with iptables too. |
| 11:09.06 | antgel | why is it that when i quit x and reboot, many apps appear on the first desktop, but some (like xterm, jpilot) go back to the desktop that they were on when i saved session? very annoying. |
| 11:09.12 | yaccobb | peterS, oh... and how old are if may I ask ? |
| 11:09.16 | moi | peterS: 2.4.30-grsec #3 SMP / siemens scenic m7 |
| 11:09.26 | peterS | yaccobb: I'll be 30 in about a month |
| 11:09.32 | Guerin | jim: no, it's a bias against any tool which adds potential errors into the equation at no fault of the user. |
| 11:09.37 | tra1a1a | Bwl: and that's where the common things end |
| 11:09.41 | jim | how would it do that? |
| 11:09.50 | jim | I've -never- had a problem with it |
| 11:09.51 | Bwl | tra1a1a: Default policy is accept everything out and drop everything that's not explicitly allowed. |
| 11:09.56 | Guerin | jim: it's tangential that most 'user-friendly' tools do this. |
| 11:10.13 | peterS | moi: the APM spec does not support machines with multiple CPUs. and indeed some BIOSes do bad things if you try to use APM in that context. so the Linux kernel is conservative and refuses to try |
| 11:10.23 | jim | this is one user-friendly tool, not most user friendly tools. |
| 11:10.24 | Bwl | tra1a1a: Yes, probably. Anyway that guy seems to have the same problem. (Oh, and no I'm not using fedora .. been using debian since pre-slink.) ;) |
| 11:10.28 | Guerin | jim: in addition, it's MUCH more hassle than just editing the file, if you know the modulename (which he does) |
| 11:10.29 | yaccobb | peterS, nice age. I suppose you work with linux, don't you ? |
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| 11:10.50 | peterS | moi: there is a kernel command line option to force the use of the APM poweroff call on a SMP machine. you can try it if you want, but it's an option for a reason |
| 11:11.03 | jim | can you guarantee that if he uses modconf later, that the file can be read? |
| 11:11.04 | Guerin | jim: i'm speaking in general terms. Never use a big shiny chromey tool when a lean, efficient tool will do the job equally or better. |
| 11:11.04 | peterS | yaccobb: I do work on both linux and Windows XP |
| 11:11.14 | Guerin | jim: /etc/modules? yes. |
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| 11:11.16 | peterS | jim: read the file in question some time. the format is pretty hard to screw up |
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| 11:11.25 | silenius | hi |
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| 11:11.31 | peterS | jim: it's not some oddly structured thing, it's just lines of module names and module options |
| 11:11.33 | moi | peterS: it's a normal kernel, and only 1 cpu for sure. just a normal pc. it works well on many other machines with the same kernel .. |
| 11:11.36 | Guerin | jim: the syntax of /etc/modules is as potentially the simples to any file in any os, ever. |
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| 11:11.39 | tra1a1a | Bwl: I was having an ftp server and a firewall. I've never used connection tracking though. |
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| 11:11.45 | peterS | moi: pentium 4 with hyperthreading? |
| 11:11.46 | yaccobb | peterS, and is linux so much better as they say ? |
| 11:11.47 | Guerin | goddamn, my typing is horriffic |
| 11:11.48 | moi | peterS: anyway, do you know that commandline option |
| 11:11.52 | peterS | moi: if so, Linux sees it as two CPUs |
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| 11:11.57 | tra1a1a | but I hope it won't hurt you trying it |
| 11:11.58 | moi | peterS: pentium 2 / 350 mhz :) |
| 11:12.08 | jim | in that case, he should look at modconf... |
| 11:12.19 | peterS | moi: well then. the SMP kernel should still be able to use APM. I don't know why it wouldn't |
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| 11:12.46 | Guerin | jim: and again: if modules was unable to read a valid config file simply because it had been hand-edited, it's not worth using. |
| 11:12.46 | yaccobb | moi, don't be sad, i have 486 in next room ;] |
| 11:12.46 | jim | admittedly, it does go thru weird structures since 2.4 came out... |
| 11:12.48 | peterS | yaccobb: depends on what you want it for. Linux has advantages and disadvantages for different purposes. recently I finished a contract to write a program that had to run on Windows XP specifically. (it was testing some stuff funded by Microsoft) |
| 11:12.52 | Guerin | jim: no, it doesn't. |
| 11:12.52 | moi | peterS: heh. wired. yeah, but i gotta work on that machines hehe |
| 11:13.04 | Guerin | jim: i hereby pronounce you Full of Shit. |
| 11:13.08 | jim | Guerin: tried it lately? |
| 11:13.09 | moi | peterS: mozilla uses all my cpu lol |
| 11:13.11 | silverton | how do I run a search for an installed package with dpkg? |
| 11:13.14 | peterS | moi: if it only has one CPU, you can try running a non-SMP kernel on it. that might do the trick, and will be probably better in any case |
| 11:13.20 | antgel | why is it that when i quit x and reboot, many apps appear on the first desktop, but some (like xterm, jpilot) go back to the desktop that they were on when i saved session? very annoying. |
| 11:13.28 | Guerin | jim: /etc/modules? yeah. |
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| 11:13.33 | yaccobb | peterS, what was that program ? |
| 11:13.38 | DrZoot | hey i know this prolly isnt the place for it but does anyone know how i can recursively add a bunch of directories to svn? the directory is already under revision (svn) but there a bunch of new things spaced throughout it, i want to add all the new stuff |
| 11:13.44 | jim | Guerin: NO, modconf. |
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| 11:14.04 | jim | dude, stop talking to me.. you're a hostile, opinionated idiot |
| 11:14.05 | Guerin | jim: oh yeah. It is a bit confusing. |
| 11:14.11 | peterS | yaccobb: it was for testing reading speed for different fonts and sizes. mainly for determining font quality, I think |
| 11:14.36 | jim | do you often succeed in helping people? |
| 11:14.44 | moi | peterS: hmm i ever used that smp kernel ... damn machine or bios or whatever... you know that commandline option btw? |
| 11:14.45 | Guerin | jim: honestly... if you'd made a single point against my argument, I might consider you something other than a misguided fool. |
| 11:14.51 | peterS | yaccobb: Microsoft developed some new fonts intended to be easier to read than older ones. the test was to determine if they succeeded |
| 11:14.51 | Guerin | but you haven't. |
| 11:15.00 | peterS | moi: hold on, I'll look it up |
| 11:15.03 | jim | why should I argue with you |
| 11:15.07 | moi | peterS: thanks very much |
| 11:15.16 | jim | I have nothing to prove to you |
| 11:15.26 | ircdevil | what is it with this hurd thing - why would you want to run hurd? |
| 11:15.42 | DrZoot | ill take that as a no, cheers anyways peoples |
| 11:15.46 | Guerin | jim: it seems you have something to learn, though. Which is sad, given my fairly feeble career in computing. |
| 11:15.46 | tra1a1a | jim, Guerin : I believe we've enjoyed enough of your conversation. Would you mind moving it to private now? |
| 11:15.46 | yaccobb | peterS, wow |
| 11:15.58 | streuner | ircdevil: #hurd would know prolly better |
| 11:15.59 | antgel | because you might be a gnu / rms worshipper |
| 11:16.03 | Guerin | tra1a1a: thanks for your input. |
| 11:16.10 | peterS | yaccobb: well, it's not like I was working directly for microsoft. I was working for a psychology professor who had a grant from microsoft |
| 11:16.23 | jim | Guerin: you'd make a horrible teacher given your attitude |
| 11:16.24 | ircdevil | streuner: ill check the faq |
| 11:16.26 | tra1a1a | Guerin: thank you for taking the time to consider it |
| 11:16.43 | peterS | moi: apm=power-off |
| 11:16.48 | silenius | has openssl been replaced by gnutls cause of lic-issues? |
| 11:16.54 | Guerin | jim: you mistake my disdain for stupidity for a bad attitude. |
| 11:16.56 | ircdevil | no faq - but of cause - gnu docs suck |
| 11:16.59 | yaccobb | peterS, i was going to ask if you normally work for M$;) So you are programmer ? |
| 11:17.06 | peterS | yaccobb: hehe. yes |
| 11:17.13 | peterS | yaccobb: I mean, yes a programmer, no I don't work for MS |
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| 11:17.16 | Guerin | jim: I'm patient with people who are only uninformed, but have willingness to learn. |
| 11:17.45 | silverton | cp: cannot create regular file `/usr/lib/transgaming_cedega/winex/bin/wine-preloader': Text file busy |
| 11:17.48 | silverton | how do I fix that? |
| 11:17.58 | silverton | orchid|away, force a copy? |
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| 11:18.05 | jim | if you were an actual teacher you would know that you don't have that luxury |
| 11:18.09 | peterS | silverton: you can rm /usr/lib/transgaming_cedega/winex/bin/wine-preloader before installing |
| 11:18.12 | yaccobb | peterS, sure thing;] Well have mood for chat ? I have few things to ask about your opinion... |
| 11:18.20 | peterS | silverton: or you can shut down the running copy of winex. either way |
| 11:18.36 | Guerin | jim: I *AM* an actual teacher, and no, I don't always have that luxury. But in #debian, I sure as shit do. |
| 11:18.43 | peterS | yaccobb: I've got a couple minutes. I was getting ready to go get some bicycle exercise |
| 11:18.44 | silverton | peterS, k :) |
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| 11:19.01 | yaccobb | peterS, couple mean 'few' ? |
| 11:19.06 | jim | 2 |
| 11:19.06 | peterS | yaccobb: sure |
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| 11:19.32 | peterS | yaccobb: my time constraint is that as it gets later in the morning, the sun comes out and it gets too hot to enjoy bike riding (: |
| 11:19.46 | peterS | (it's 6:19 right now) |
| 11:19.50 | jim | Guerin: which makes you occasionally hostile |
| 11:20.01 | yaccobb | peterS, hehe, ok, I'll wait till than;) |
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| 11:20.16 | Guerin | jim: i'm only hostile towards people who've proven themselves impervious to learning. |
| 11:20.17 | peterS | yaccobb: I'll be back in about an hour, if you plan to still be around |
| 11:20.22 | peterS | umbop: oh? where do you live? |
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| 11:20.24 | umbop | uk |
| 11:20.25 | jc-denton | hi all |
| 11:20.27 | jc-denton | i need openoffice 2 on debian |
| 11:20.30 | jc-denton | how can i get that work |
| 11:20.35 | jbmigel | jim i see Guerin here all the time helping people, why you gotta come in all like this and start fights? |
| 11:20.35 | Guerin | peterS: what time do you normally get up? |
| 11:20.37 | jc-denton | can i just get the ubuntu packages? |
| 11:20.44 | Guerin | or do you just not sleep? |
| 11:20.47 | yaccobb | peterS, man, I need my system working, I MUST be around:D |
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| 11:20.52 | jim | I didn't start anything |
| 11:20.54 | streuner | jc-denton: no |
| 11:21.06 | Guerin | jim: ubuntu packages will almost certainly break things for you. And we get to laugh if it happens. |
| 11:21.08 | jc-denton | what's the easiest way to get them |
| 11:21.12 | peterS | Guerin: that varies wildly. right now I have no "regular job" or basically any external demands on my time. so I sleep and wake whenever I wish. that won't last but it's been true for a couple of weeks |
| 11:21.21 | jc-denton | the rpm packages doesn't seem to work well on deb? |
| 11:21.22 | yaccobb | peterS, ok, seeya |
| 11:21.30 | jim | wait, I don't understand... how did ubuntu come into this? |
| 11:21.41 | Guerin | peterS: heh. Even when not working my body has to sleep between roughly midnight and roughly midday |
| 11:21.42 | peterS | Guerin: my favorite groove is probably waking up at noon and going to bed between 4 and 5 AM |
| 11:21.58 | Guerin | peterS: that does sound good |
| 11:21.59 | streuner | jim: somebody thought, you install those packages in debian |
| 11:22.00 | umbop | i use to do that when i was a student |
| 11:22.07 | jc-denton | ubuntu has ooffice2 packages.. |
| 11:22.10 | Guerin | early mornings are great, I'd love to be awake for dawn more often |
| 11:22.39 | jim | streuner: that would be a bad idea unless they decide to adopt all the policies |
| 11:22.46 | peterS | Guerin: yeah, like right now (6:22) - great bike riding weather. I like early mornings *except* actually waking up for them. if I'm *still* up (like now), they're neat |
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| 11:22.54 | Guerin | jc-denton: the rpms work unreliably. I've had horrible breakage with them, too. Even odds on which is worse - I guess I'd favour ubuntu. |
| 11:23.07 | Guerin | peterS: hell yeah. |
| 11:23.08 | umbop | peterS: where is it you live? |
| 11:23.09 | yaccobb | 6:22 ? i have 13:22 |
| 11:23.19 | Guerin | peterS: I used to fish a lot in the early morning. |
| 11:23.31 | twice | hi is there an easy configurable mailserver ? |
| 11:23.31 | jim | yaccobb: so you must be in a different time zone :) |
| 11:23.35 | Guerin | jim: sotty, that was for jc-denton :) |
| 11:23.35 | peterS | umbop: central Kansas, US. UTC-0600 but -0500 in the summer |
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| 11:23.39 | Guerin | sorry |
| 11:23.40 | jc-denton | Guerin: how can i get these from ubuntu |
| 11:23.40 | Guerin | gaah |
| 11:23.44 | umbop | ahh |
| 11:23.45 | streuner | Guerin: there are better things to do in early morning like fishing :-) |
| 11:23.48 | jc-denton | i just want these packages not the whole source |
| 11:23.49 | Guerin | !kill guerin's typist |
| 11:23.53 | twice | pref lightweight and fully configurable |
| 11:23.55 | yaccobb | jim, sure I am. Or my systime is pretty wrong ;] |
| 11:23.58 | jc-denton | there is no download link on packages.ubuntu.com .. |
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| 11:24.01 | umbop | twice: exim / postfix / qmail are reasonably easy |
| 11:24.03 | Guerin | jc-denton: don't ask me, ask #ubuntu |
| 11:24.11 | bob2 | no |
| 11:24.15 | bob2 | don't ask #ubuntu |
| 11:24.18 | Guerin | streuner: you mean 'than fishing'? I disagree :) |
| 11:24.25 | Guerin | bob2: noted :) |
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| 11:24.33 | jc-denton | ok |
| 11:24.36 | twice | umbop is exim still as good as exim4 ? |
| 11:24.51 | bob2 | jc-denton: if you want to do something so silly, point apt at ubuntu, install it, then unpoint apt at ubuntu |
| 11:24.51 | petemc | nbo |
| 11:25.02 | yaccobb | Guerin, disagree ? You have wife already ? :-P |
| 11:25.04 | bob2 | jc-denton: and then do not file bugs on either distribution ever again |
| 11:25.15 | jim | jc-denton: officially, ubuntu isn't supported here... unofficially, people don't like to support it primarily because then they'd have to learn it |
| 11:25.24 | jc-denton | ? |
| 11:25.32 | petemc | twice: if you're gonna use exim, you should be using exim4, exim3 is no longer supported |
| 11:25.37 | jbmigel | hey any ideas why my sarge is taking 2 hours (literally) to pull 100MB off a cd? |
| 11:25.37 | Guerin | yaccobb: i do, but since I married her I haven't done much fishing, more's the pity. I have other reasons to stay abed now... |
| 11:25.39 | jc-denton | bob2: i don't file ubuntu bugs on the debian bts? |
| 11:25.45 | jc-denton | or what do u mean |
| 11:25.49 | Guerin | jbmigel: no dma? |
| 11:25.50 | twice | is there an interface other than vi to config exim(4) |
| 11:25.51 | bob2 | jc-denton: don't file bugs anywhere |
| 11:25.54 | jc-denton | jim: hey i just ask |
| 11:25.57 | bob2 | you break your system, it's your problem |
| 11:26.01 | jim | jc-denton: no problem... |
| 11:26.03 | jc-denton | on ubuntu i would |
| 11:26.05 | jbmigel | Guerin how do i check that? |
| 11:26.06 | bob2 | jbmigel: maybe the cd is poorly burnt or scratched |
| 11:26.15 | jc-denton | bob2: ah and where should i get my ooffice2 packages then? |
| 11:26.16 | Guerin | jbmigel: man hdparm |
| 11:26.25 | bob2 | jc-denton: wherever you want |
| 11:26.34 | bob2 | jc-denton: but if you get them from ubuntu, it's on your own head |
| 11:26.36 | yaccobb | Guerin, heh, happy marridge(um, don't have idea hoe to write that word right..) ? |
| 11:26.37 | jbmigel | bob2 that could be its like 5 years old and i just found it in a box under a heatsink |
| 11:26.38 | bob2 | not that it's likely to break |
| 11:26.55 | jc-denton | bob2: what would you reccommend |
| 11:26.58 | Guerin | yaccobb: marriage. Yeah, my best mate in the whole world. |
| 11:27.00 | jc-denton | i already tried rpm |
| 11:27.00 | bob2 | not using OO |
| 11:27.03 | jc-denton | breakage.. |
| 11:27.05 | Guerin | 10 years together in ... 19 days |
| 11:27.21 | streuner | not using debian? |
| 11:27.23 | tra1a1a | twice: not sure but try apt-cache search webmin |
| 11:27.37 | Guerin | nooo |
| 11:27.40 | Guerin | not webmin |
| 11:27.51 | petemc | twice: you can configure it with debconf, but as you can imagine, its quite limited |
| 11:27.54 | yaccobb | Guerin, how long are living in that endless happiness ? |
| 11:27.55 | Guerin | see my argument with jim for why |
| 11:27.57 | jim | jc-denton: I'm just telling you that ubuntu (and pretty much anything except debian) is not handled here... as far as filing bugs, you would not file ubuntu bugs on the debian BTS -unless- you were -sure- the package came from debian unaltered in any way |
| 11:28.10 | twice | Guerin eheh |
| 11:28.23 | Guerin | yaccobb: licinf together since 1996, married since 2000. |
| 11:28.31 | Guerin | s/licinf/living/ |
| 11:28.32 | jc-denton | jim: sure |
| 11:28.37 | jc-denton | that's why it's called #debian |
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| 11:28.40 | silenius | even then, you dont report the bug as this would involve reading all other bugs ;) |
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| 11:28.47 | antgel | why is it that when i quit x and reboot, many apps appear on the first desktop, but some (like xterm, jpilot) go back to the desktop that they were on when i saved session? very annoying. |
| 11:28.48 | salahuddin | hello |
| 11:28.53 | jethro | !irritate me |
| 11:28.53 | dpkg | jethro: is there ne1 who cn answer my n00b q? where cn I get w4arez 4 debina lol U FUX0RZ |
| 11:28.59 | yaccobb | Guerin, wow, i hope I'll meet such one too... |
| 11:29.02 | twice | Anyone want to comment about pleks ? |
| 11:29.04 | salahuddin | is there any way to use the icewm theme in gtk2 |
| 11:29.10 | MythicalQ | Hey guys, installing debian for the first time and I messed up during the packages install. |
| 11:29.15 | MythicalQ | How do I re-init that ? |
| 11:29.16 | Nigel | (debian-devel) |
| 11:29.24 | jethro | MythicalQ: run tasksel maybe |
| 11:29.34 | jethro | MythicalQ: or just apt-get install what you missed |
| 11:29.48 | jethro | MythicalQ: or use synaptic/dselect/whatever and install what you missed the first time |
| 11:30.01 | jim | jc-denton: well, many people assume that because a dist is based on debian... or even just has linux in it... that questions concerning those would be ok here... the problem with that is it's just too much information to know all at once |
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| 11:30.47 | chrysopa | hi |
| 11:30.51 | Guerin | 3 |
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| 11:30.58 | Guerin | grr |
| 11:31.02 | jim | Guerin: what's your -specific- gripe about webmin? |
| 11:31.04 | Guerin | stupid screen with nethack messages |
| 11:31.11 | MythicalQ | I think its working. |
| 11:31.16 | MythicalQ | I wanted a new install with everything installed. |
| 11:31.19 | bob2 | the fact it lets idiots "admin" servers |
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| 11:31.22 | chrysopa | How to count the numbers of files or directory in shell? |
| 11:31.36 | MythicalQ | Is there a way to apt-get all? |
| 11:31.37 | jim | bob2: what prevents that without webmin/ |
| 11:31.38 | jim | ? |
| 11:31.38 | bob2 | ls -1 * | wc -l |
| 11:31.39 | jethro | chrysopa: man find man ls man wc |
| 11:31.39 | yaccobb | nethack ? i know nethack as roguelike ascii megarpg... |
| 11:31.46 | twice | petemc when making changes to set up exim using a diff isp i.e. do you use vi and restart teh server ? or do you also use other methods ? |
| 11:31.47 | bob2 | th othe -1 is redundant |
| 11:31.52 | Guerin | jim: 1) security risk 2) breaks config files 3) trains people to be drooling morons instead of admins, and renders them helpless if faced with a cli and the task of configuring their own machine |
| 11:31.56 | bob2 | MythicalQ: no, of course not |
| 11:32.05 | MythicalQ | Of course not? |
| 11:32.07 | bob2 | MythicalQ: how many web servers do you want listening on port 80? all fifty of them? |
| 11:32.22 | jim | I didn't know about (2) |
| 11:32.27 | petemc | twice: i use vim as i have a hand rolled config, but you could easily use deconf to change smarthosts |
| 11:32.29 | chrysopa | Valeu |
| 11:32.30 | jethro | damn debian has 50 webservers? |
| 11:32.33 | chrysopa | Thanks |
| 11:32.39 | MythicalQ | Well, no, but I figured I would be able to start the ones I want? |
| 11:32.46 | bob2 | MythicalQ: no |
| 11:32.48 | Guerin | jim: re 1) : a security risk not because it allows you to be haxx0r3d, necessarily, but because it allows you to make massive, catastrophic changes at the touch of a mouse, and encourages a 'let's click this and see what it does' mentality |
| 11:32.56 | jim | MythicalQ: you want to install every package in debian?? |
| 11:32.59 | Guerin | 2 and 3 are self-explanatory |
| 11:33.01 | MythicalQ | Thats a bit lame isn't it? |
| 11:33.06 | bob2 | MythicalQ: how many different packages providing /bin/which do you want? |
| 11:33.06 | MythicalQ | No, just a default full install. |
| 11:33.09 | twice | petemc dont you think the configuration of exim4 has become more complicated than exim ? |
| 11:33.13 | bob2 | MythicalQ: there is no "full install" |
| 11:33.23 | bob2 | MythicalQ: you select what you want installed during the install |
| 11:33.29 | jim | Guerin: ok, true... that's fairly dangerous |
| 11:33.31 | jethro | MythicalQ: just run tasksel and install all tasks |
| 11:33.38 | jethro | MythicalQ: but it's a stupid thing to do imho |
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| 11:33.58 | Nigel | actually, you can't install every package, the dependency system is too good for that... |
| 11:34.10 | petemc | twice: no, its actually easier, but there are a lot of options, and flexibility can also mean complexity |
| 11:34.17 | tra1a1a | Guerin: webmin has been created for a purpose and it serves it |
| 11:34.24 | jim | MythicalQ: not all packages will work in the same machine... some will conflict with some others |
| 11:34.32 | Nigel | you'd get so many dependency errors you'd have a headache for the rest of your life... |
| 11:34.38 | MythicalQ | hehe |
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| 11:34.50 | jethro | if the only purpose of webmin is to let lusers think they can be sysadmins, then it sucks goats |
| 11:34.57 | bob2 | MythicalQ: every MTA in debian provides /usr/sbin/sendmail, for instance |
| 11:35.03 | bob2 | you can't have more than one file with the same name |
| 11:35.04 | twice | jethro yeah |
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| 11:35.31 | jc-denton | why are there no experimental packages in deb? |
| 11:35.36 | MythicalQ | This is for a comparison test. So the install will only be used for a short period. I already have a minimal install of debian that I will be using for most testing. |
| 11:36.15 | Mage\work | jc-denton: there is. |
| 11:36.15 | jim | jethro: the attitude your comment exposes is one that generally holds people back |
| 11:36.15 | bob2 | jc-denton: there are lots of them |
| 11:36.15 | jc-denton | i mean openoffice2 packages.. |
| 11:36.15 | Mage\work | deb http://http.us.debian.org/debian/ ../project/experimental main contrib non-free |
| 11:36.15 | Guerin | tra1a1a: not a reason for anyone other than a drooling moron to run it. |
| 11:36.15 | Mage\work | add this |
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| 11:36.24 | twice | linux gives me comfort while win gives user-friendlyness , which is off course their ways of selling their ... |
| 11:36.27 | MythicalQ | jim: No worries. |
| 11:36.28 | jim | jc-denton: look at the dir project/experimental |
| 11:36.29 | bob2 | jc-denton: #debian-oo |
| 11:36.29 | jethro | jim: what does this mean? |
| 11:36.45 | jc-denton | ah there is a channel only for openoffice |
| 11:36.47 | jc-denton | that's cool |
| 11:36.51 | jc-denton | bob2: thx |
| 11:36.58 | tra1a1a | Guerin: you don't like it, you don't run it. you don't like other people running it, you learn to live with that fact |
| 11:37.13 | Guerin | jethro is right, though. One of the biggest problems with windows is that it gives people the false impression they can be computer-literate without reading any doc, understanding anything about how computers work, or actually learning anything. |
| 11:37.15 | jim | jethro: it matches "group of people X should not do Y, so we slow them down by telling them A and not telling them B" |
| 11:37.24 | yaccobb | grrr, gnome panel don't load saying they are already loaded... how can i restrt without panel, or how can I make them work , |
| 11:37.28 | twice | all so called user-friendly interfaces maintain your believ something good is done for your money |
| 11:37.43 | MythicalQ | Guerin: I must say that windows has done a good job of that. Give them credit. If only for that reason. |
| 11:37.43 | twice | user-friendlyness is for sales ppl |
| 11:37.56 | Guerin | tra1a1a: I live with it just fine. I also try to discourage people from running it, and I have sound reasons for them not to. If they choose to ignore it, that's up to them. |
| 11:38.02 | jethro | jim: I said "if the only point is" and was expecting someone to give me other points in using webmin, other than letting a luser feel like he's a sysadmin |
| 11:38.14 | Guerin | MythicalQ: they do do a good job of giving users that false impression, you're right. |
| 11:38.22 | jbmigel | Guerin that might be why they win (hope not) but i bet there are more lazy people than not out there |
| 11:38.28 | jim | he did give three separate points (since I asked him to) |
| 11:40.58 | Guerin | they win because of lock-in. |
| 11:40.59 | jethro | jim: I read them, I was just pointing out I wasn't saying webmin is shit period. |
| 11:40.59 | twice | webinterfaces are nice untill something breakes |
| 11:40.59 | Guerin | in the beginning, they won because of commodity hardware prices |
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| 11:40.59 | jbmigel | hey debian has lock-in... im so loving it i cant even lookit another os! |
| 11:40.59 | twice | then you need a admin |
| 11:40.59 | bob2 | haha |
| 11:40.59 | j_k | jbmigel: laziness is what makes me not use a mouse. |
| 11:40.59 | tra1a1a | Guerin: in fact I agree that no sysadmin should run webmin or whatever else config gui. However I don't agree with the implied assumption of yours that everyone is (or should become) a sysadmin. |
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| 11:41.00 | j_k | jbmigel: it's such an effort to reach it... |
| 11:41.00 | jim | jethro: to which I would agree |
| 11:41.00 | jbmigel | :) |
| 11:41.00 | twice | its nice that nowadays any woman can instal linux |
| 11:41.00 | Guerin | jbmigel: but you could switch to ubuntu tomorrow and maintain 90% of your productivity and probably 100% of your hardware compatibility. |
| 11:41.00 | petemc | twice: thats not very pc |
| 11:41.00 | Guerin | (some people would probably say more) |
| 11:41.00 | jethro | install is a thing, use and maintain is something else |
| 11:41.00 | jim | tra1a1a: anyone who installs linux has to become their own sysadmin to some degree |
| 11:41.00 | Guerin | tra1a1a: no. They should leave sysadministration to the sysadmins. |
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| 11:41.00 | twice | its nice that nowadays any child can instal linux ? |
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| 11:41.01 | jbmigel | Guerin meh ubuntu looked a little prettier i guess but its just not the same, it felt like a clone of something better... and it is! |
| 11:41.01 | bob2 | lamest. troll. ever. |
| 11:41.02 | silverton | okay, I followed the nvidia how-to and now I want to undo that, per say |
| 11:41.07 | shurik | Has anyone setup IPSec vpn between Linux <---> MS Windows XP Pro ? |
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| 11:41.10 | jethro | the webmin troll is almost daily |
| 11:41.16 | silenius | shurik: ye |
| 11:41.18 | jim | hmm, ok |
| 11:41.19 | Guerin | jbmigel: it's differently purposed to 'something else' |
| 11:41.25 | tra1a1a | jim: or use webmin and moves on with his life outside of the fscking box |
| 11:41.28 | jim | then that's one to get off of now |
| 11:41.31 | shurik | silenius which application did you use on MS Windows XP end ? |
| 11:41.35 | Guerin | tra1a1a: until it breaks horribly. |
| 11:41.39 | tra1a1a | s/webmin/whatever_similar_you_like/ |
| 11:41.45 | silenius | shurik: the native ipsec implementation of xp |
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| 11:41.55 | twice | anyone can help me change from artsd to alsa ? assuming alsa is a more mature soundserver |
| 11:41.57 | shurik | does it support natively ? |
| 11:42.01 | Ronin | heh thanks for the morning laugh folks :) |
| 11:42.06 | shurik | hmm |
| 11:42.18 | tra1a1a | Guerin: everything will break eventually but so what? |
| 11:42.23 | silenius | shurik: though i did not set it up myself, i just did the bsd-part, a colleague did the windows-part |
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| 11:43.58 | jethro | shurik: you want to use racoon and native ipsec in xp |
| 11:43.58 | twice | tralala not neccesarrily true |
| 11:43.58 | silenius | shurik: OTOH, you MIGHT TRY GOOGLE.... |
| 11:43.58 | jim | tra1a1a: Guerin was saying before that webmin breaks config files... I guess since it's in debian, there might be bugs filed in the BTS to that effect |
| 11:43.58 | shurik | silenius: which cipher did you use ? and did you have any problems with setting up NAT ? |
| 11:43.58 | Guerin | tra1a1a: not everything will break, at all. Ask cafuego about his slackware 3.0 install which is still running fine. |
| 11:43.58 | bob2 | twice: also is't a sound server, it's a set of kernel drivers |
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| 11:43.58 | shurik | google in capital case leter ?!: ) |
| 11:43.58 | jethro | shurik: the workaround for IPsec and NAT is udp encapsulation |
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| 11:43.59 | Guerin | jim: that's a good point. |
| 11:43.59 | silenius | its not like 2002 when there was not much documentation around for this.. |
| 11:43.59 | twice | bob2 is there a good howto on migrating to alsa ? |
| 11:43.59 | bob2 | twice: you don't migrate to alsa if you're using kde |
| 11:43.59 | twice | bob2 ah |
| 11:44.13 | twice | kde doesnt support alsa ? |
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| 11:44.35 | tra1a1a | jim: I don't care what a $RANDOM person is saying. I'm sure that in the hands of a n00b vi breaks much more conf files that any other software does |
| 11:44.47 | bob2 | twice: I have no idea |
| 11:44.49 | jim | Guerin: if someone wants to use webmin, they should be warned about the modules that cause the problems... at a wild guess, not all of them do |
| 11:44.50 | j_k | bob2: uh? |
| 11:44.52 | bob2 | but it's very arts-heavy |
| 11:44.53 | twice | tralala thats obvious |
| 11:44.55 | silenius | tralala: well, consider 'rm' ;) |
| 11:45.19 | OleMoudi | does scp support resume ? |
| 11:45.28 | jethro | OleMoudi: no |
| 11:45.28 | jim | tra1a1a: it's the other party to your conversation... not a random person |
| 11:45.32 | MobyTurbo | twice: since ALSA supports OSS compatability, migrating to it won't hurt KDE's broken sound daemon. |
| 11:45.32 | jethro | OleMoudi: you want to use rsync |
| 11:45.32 | bob2 | OleMoudi: use rsync |
| 11:45.38 | Guerin | jim: the problem is that config file formats change, and webmin modules have to change with them. There's perennial potential for fuckups there; it's not a case of fixing them all and having a safe product. |
| 11:45.39 | twice | bob2 im on kde 3.3 , maybe the new kde 3.4 ? |
| 11:45.41 | OleMoudi | ok |
| 11:45.44 | tra1a1a | that's why I'm answering (and will still answer) webmin for easy configuration |
| 11:45.45 | bob2 | twice: I don't know |
| 11:45.49 | bob2 | twice: #debian-kde might know more |
| 11:45.56 | silenius | olemoudi: no, but you can use ssh and conCATenate the parts by hand |
| 11:46.05 | MobyTurbo | !webmin |
| 11:46.05 | dpkg | somebody said webmin was a lame web-based interface for unsafe system administration for Unix. Using any browser that supports tables and forms, you can setup user accounts, internet services, DNS, file sharing and so on. Check it out at http://www.webmin.com/webmin/ but, remember, dondelelcaro *hates* webmin. don't use it!, or "i'd rather sit on the floor shoving table knives into live electrical outlets than run webmin on an exposed server." |
| 11:46.06 | bob2 | just use rsync |
| 11:46.12 | jethro | silenius: using rsync is *way* better |
| 11:46.16 | bob2 | the only time you need to use scp is when the other side is crap and doesn't have rsync |
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| 11:46.21 | bob2 | and you're too lazy to install it |
| 11:46.27 | Guerin | jim: and then there's the thing that webmin users want to use it for the apps which have the most complicated config files - apache, MTAs, etc. Those happen to be the most liable to fuckups, on account of their complexity. |
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| 11:46.57 | twice | bob2 rsync == scp ? |
| 11:47.00 | silenius | jethro: depends on what you want to do, i think ;) |
| 11:47.02 | bob2 | twice: no |
| 11:47.05 | OleMoudi | I'm currently using scp, so if my transfer fails withoug completing I can resume it using rsync, am I right? |
| 11:47.06 | jim | Guerin: which might suggest that a relation be made between the config file and tools like webmin such that a change in a config file format kicks the module that covers it out until it's fixed |
| 11:47.07 | bob2 | twice: rsync >>> scp |
| 11:47.12 | bob2 | OleMoudi: yes |
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| 11:47.15 | OleMoudi | ok |
| 11:47.28 | yaccobb | what BitTorent client do you use ? |
| 11:47.33 | tra1a1a | jim: this conversation though seem to be pretty one-sided |
| 11:47.33 | Guerin | jim: when is it fixed? How would it get fixed until users files bugs against it? |
| 11:47.35 | bob2 | twice: rsync is a general file synchorinisation tool that happnes to be work over ssh |
| 11:47.49 | Guerin | rsync is the shit for backups |
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| 11:47.51 | jahi | Hi, I'm a german debian user and want to enable umlauts in xterm,gnome-terminal,... how can i do this? |
| 11:47.53 | jethro | silenius: for that particular matter, your solution was just not appropriate, wheras rsync was. now of course, the use or foo or bar tools depends on what you want to achieve, but it was not the point, was it? |
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| 11:48.23 | jim | Guerin: hmmm... first cut: |
| 11:48.23 | twice | bob2 as scp basically sux on output from the connected pc |
| 11:48.30 | bob2 | yes |
| 11:48.44 | silenius | jethro: well, i was not able to figure out what exactly the problem was (1 file, a directory or what), so what are you complaining about? the fact that there is more than one way to do it and that i pointed out another one? |
| 11:49.03 | j_k | jahi: maybe ask #debian-de, they'll probably know. |
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| 11:49.13 | jethro | silenius: just the fact that you point to wrong solutions, just because you don't understood the problem. |
| 11:49.15 | jim | maintainer of a package with a config file covered by a webmin module is requested by webmin module maint to be informed when file format changes |
| 11:49.19 | Solet | is there a page that shows the exact status of sarge? like what bugs left to be fixed and such? |
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| 11:49.34 | jethro | as/don't understood/didn't understand/ |
| 11:49.35 | Guerin | jim: good luck herding those cats. |
| 11:49.47 | bob2 | Solet: bugs.debian.org/release-critical/, for instance |
| 11:49.55 | jim | that's a different problem :P |
| 11:50.07 | silenius | jethro: maybe think again. you were the one talking about "foo" and "bar" tools, in my example those were the files, but nm. |
| 11:50.10 | Guerin | Solet: http://kitenet.net/~joey/blog/entry/why_debian_sarge_wont_release_today-2005-05-24-20-35.html is a somewhat vitriolic snapshot |
| 11:50.14 | twice | bob2 does rsync consider the fact that files which are 'in sync' on both sides ? so it doesnt copy them more or less like the 'cp -u' option |
| 11:50.21 | bob2 | twice: yes |
| 11:50.25 | Solet | bob2: thanks |
| 11:50.25 | Nigel | Solet: http://bts.turmzimmer.net/details.php?ignore=sid&ignsec=on&fullcomment=on&new=7 is also quite good |
| 11:50.32 | jethro | silenius: oh my... grow up kid |
| 11:50.34 | bob2 | twice: and if only some portions of each file have changed, it only copies those portions |
| 11:50.48 | jethro | silenius: the point is not in giving an answer at all cost you know? |
| 11:50.51 | silenius | jethro: harhar "kid" is something i did not hear for some years |
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| 11:51.16 | Solet | bob2: is that just for sarge? |
| 11:51.25 | twice | bob2 thanks |
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| 11:51.46 | Solet | cause thats a lot of bugs still |
| 11:52.11 | bob2 | down the bottom it explains it |
| 11:52.16 | bob2 | or did ast time I checked |
| 11:52.59 | Solet | i dont understand there's 600 some release critical bugs but they are only going to deal with 52 before the release? doesnt that make the other 550 some not release critical if they wont be dealt with? |
| 11:53.09 | bob2 | no |
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| 11:53.24 | bob2 | it means they're being ignored (e.g. non-free documentation) or not in sarge |
| 11:53.27 | bob2 | or going to be removed |
| 11:53.32 | bob2 | or whatever else it says on that page |
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| 11:53.48 | silenius | jethro: i google for you.. please dont tell me what to do. grow up before trying this agian. |
| 11:53.57 | Solet | not in sarge... so the page isnt sarge specific... :( |
| 11:54.14 | Solet | oh well if there's only 52 left... i guess thats good |
| 11:54.35 | jethro | silenius: you google for me? did I ask anything? now you'd better not talk to me if its for pointless comments like these, they are as usefull as your pointless answers *plonk* |
| 11:54.41 | jim | since sarge has frozen, that number should dwindle |
| 11:55.45 | Guerin | first they ask you questions, then they bait you, then they insult you, then you ignore them, then you lose. |
| 11:55.51 | Solet | jethro: and i'd imagine just on a guess from your last 2 statements that you are as useful in life as a junebug... unfortuneatly you dont 'plonk' over dead after 24 hours :/ |
| 11:55.56 | Guerin | with apologies to a dead indian guy |
| 11:56.16 | jethro | Iwon't even bother trying to translate this |
| 11:56.41 | Guerin | Solet: google "then we win" gandhi |
| 11:56.54 | twice | Guerin what makes you conclude that you lose in such way |
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| 11:57.20 | Guerin | twice: don't ignore people, make them ignore you. |
| 11:57.28 | Mage\work | silenius: your nick has something to do with Summoning ? :p |
| 11:57.34 | kaleb | I have a problem with kde and ati remote, kde doesnt seem to be able to grab my atiremote buttons, why? |
| 11:57.39 | silenius | Mage\work: now, with dan simmons' hyperion |
| 11:57.40 | Guerin | (and yes, I'm aware that this is diametrically opposed to gandhi's teaching) |
| 11:57.48 | bob2 | kaleb: try #debian-kde |
| 11:57.51 | twice | Guerin change the world ... |
| 11:57.54 | kaleb | bob2: thanks |
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| 11:58.07 | Mage\work | oh..ok |
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| 11:58.25 | jethro | is it sunday already ? why am I in the office then |
| 11:58.32 | streuner | haha |
| 11:58.41 | tra1a1a | :) |
| 11:58.45 | jim | yer dreamin... it's wed |
| 11:58.46 | Solet | !mahatma guerin |
| 11:58.46 | dpkg | from memory, mahatma guerin is first they ask you questions, then they bait you, then they insult you, then you ignore them, then you lose. -Guerin |
| 11:58.49 | Guerin | jethro: /msg dpkg permasunday |
| 11:58.51 | jethro | !sing sunday |
| 11:58.51 | dpkg | Everyday is like sunday... Everyday the tards come to play... |
| 11:59.24 | twice | anyone interessted in the speed of time ? http://www.angelfire.com/ak/mlebel/ |
| 11:59.36 | Guerin | twice: got a watch, thanks anyway. |
| 12:00.02 | twice | read the supporting philosophy ... |
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| 12:00.15 | Solet | twice: very but dont know if i trust it from angel fire |
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| 12:00.53 | twice | Solet startx |
| 12:00.55 | jim | -and- he will be without his shoes! |
| 12:00.57 | Solet | my terminal has a case of the stupids ever since i just did apt-get upgrade |
| 12:01.17 | Solet | jim? |
| 12:01.19 | bob2 | Solet: read the faq, install x-window-system-core |
| 12:01.19 | twice | Solet u windowzer |
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| 12:01.38 | twice | Solet linux is case-sensitive |
| 12:01.39 | jim | Solet: see above * Lord-Cereburus has quit |
| 12:01.58 | Solet | twice: yeah... i did startx... dont know why i capped it just now :P |
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| 12:02.05 | Guerin | jim: heh. add "and you'll have his shoes." |
| 12:02.18 | liable | hah, marones win :) |
| 12:02.32 | jim | I could, if it were a factoid :) |
| 12:02.33 | twice | Solet apt-get install kde kdm will get you most of it |
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| 12:02.51 | Solet | twice |
| 12:02.55 | Solet | it was just working 2 secs ago |
| 12:02.59 | Solet | i use gnome |
| 12:03.06 | jethro | !tell Solet -about enter |
| 12:03.06 | Solet | kde is evil crap (imho) |
| 12:03.09 | bob2 | you did mean "startx", I right? |
| 12:03.14 | bob2 | s/I// |
| 12:03.18 | jim | I haven't tried kde yet |
| 12:03.20 | tarzeau | GNOME is evil crap (imho) |
| 12:03.27 | twice | eheh |
| 12:03.33 | Solet | !tell jethro that its very early in the morning and the : key is remotely close to the enter key |
| 12:03.39 | bob2 | come on |
| 12:03.51 | Solet | bob2: yes |
| 12:03.59 | Solet | i type startx and it says commandnot found |
| 12:04.07 | twice | Solet echo $PATH |
| 12:04.08 | jethro | Solet: apt-get install xbase-clients |
| 12:04.10 | jim | as who? |
| 12:04.15 | jim | solet |
| 12:04.16 | jethro | or make sure your path is ok |
| 12:04.19 | snail_ | what's the command to list the version numbers of all the packages a paackage is dependant on? |
| 12:04.19 | Solet | root |
| 12:04.24 | tra1a1a | !start a wm war |
| 12:04.24 | dpkg | fvwm95 sucks! |
| 12:04.34 | Solet | i'm at / |
| 12:04.44 | jethro | Solet: do you have xbase-clients installed? |
| 12:04.52 | Solet | ? such as? |
| 12:05.04 | jim | Solet: "echo $PATH" |
| 12:05.08 | jethro | Solet: it's a package name, dpkg -l xbase-clients, can you see it "ii" ? |
| 12:05.31 | twice | Solet do you have the install cd ? |
| 12:05.34 | Solet | ok guys listen it worked, i did apt-get update casue i had an assload of packages needing updated, then when i tried to go back to xserver it had shut down so that the thing could be updated.... i tried to restart it using startx and it said commandnot found |
| 12:05.36 | jim | and see where startx is (should be in /usr/bin under debian afaik) |
| 12:05.37 | Solet | it worked a day ago |
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| 12:06.04 | jim | Solet: -just- apt-get update? |
| 12:06.06 | Solet | yes i have it |
| 12:06.07 | jethro | Solet: would you mind making sure you still have that damn pacakge? |
| 12:06.10 | twice | Solet apt-get upgrade ? |
| 12:06.11 | jethro | ok |
| 12:06.20 | Solet | er... sorry i meant upgrade |
| 12:06.22 | Solet | :P |
| 12:06.38 | Solet | (i'm a little tired its 7 am and i've yet to go to bed... |
| 12:06.52 | jim | ok, try this... dpkg -S startx |
| 12:06.54 | jethro | Solet: I suggest you go get some rest, and fix it later, when you're rested :) |
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| 12:07.09 | twice | Solet: I suggest you go get some rest, and fix it later, when you're rested :) |
| 12:07.10 | jethro | Solet: or you might as well screw it more than it is already |
| 12:07.17 | jethro | twice: copycat |
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| 12:07.25 | jim | that's a good suggestion... don't do important difficult things when you're tired |
| 12:07.30 | Solet | jethro: cant go to sleep now i got to work later... if i go to bed now i wont be able to get up for work... |
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| 12:07.44 | twice | Solet drink a beer |
| 12:07.52 | tra1a1a | twice |
| 12:07.55 | Ronin | twice: always a good idea |
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| 12:08.11 | jethro | !beer Solet |
| 12:08.11 | bob2 | yay |
| 12:08.14 | Solet | whats the apt-get fix crap line |
| 12:08.18 | bob2 | more spam from idiots who don't secure their servers |
| 12:08.23 | bob2 | this is why webmin should be banned |
| 12:08.27 | bob2 | along with cpanel |
| 12:08.39 | tra1a1a | no |
| 12:08.39 | jethro | don't feedd the webmin troll again please :) |
| 12:08.39 | jim | Solet: figure out what you mean and try your question again :) |
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| 12:08.52 | Ronin | oh goody bad to the webmin is the root of all evils |
| 12:08.53 | tra1a1a | lame sysadmins should be banned |
| 12:09.12 | Solet | jim: when ever apt-get fucks up it gives you a line to enter something like apg-get -fix-all or something |
| 12:09.14 | Solet | i cant remember |
| 12:09.24 | tra1a1a | webmin doesn't make you a lame sysadmin, it merely helps you to stay one |
| 12:09.29 | jim | apt-get install -f? |
| 12:09.31 | Solet | i want to try it incase it fucked up while i wasnt looking |
| 12:09.57 | jethro | Solet: also try the whole path to webmin |
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| 12:10.11 | jethro | err |
| 12:10.17 | jethro | Solet: also try the whole path to startx |
| 12:10.19 | jim | becasue half a path won't get you all the way there :) |
| 12:10.19 | Solet | umm i dont use webmin |
| 12:10.22 | jethro | much better that way |
| 12:10.25 | Solet | what is the whole path? |
| 12:10.25 | jethro | Solet: nm my mistake |
| 12:10.42 | jim | to startx |
| 12:10.50 | jethro | /usr/bin/X11/startx |
| 12:10.52 | tra1a1a | Ronin: webmin, microsoft and sun |
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| 12:10.57 | tra1a1a | in *that* order |
| 12:11.07 | Solet | ah fugger it all shutdown now and ctrl+d fixed it |
| 12:11.20 | jethro | hu? |
| 12:11.25 | jethro | !confuse Solet |
| 12:11.26 | dpkg | Yes, those was my gouda yesterday, Solet? shirts of the people's republic of belarus with extra herring |
| 12:11.34 | yaccobb | !help |
| 12:11.44 | Solet | lol i'm so tired that made sense to me :P |
| 12:11.51 | liable | haha |
| 12:11.59 | tra1a1a | !irritate me |
| 12:12.00 | dpkg | tra1a1a: wenas who uses cable lol |
| 12:12.06 | jethro | heh |
| 12:12.10 | silverton | fuck...I think I just toasted my install >.< |
| 12:12.11 | jim | jethro: that looks like almost every spam I get... |
| 12:12.14 | silverton | at least, the video portion of it |
| 12:12.15 | Solet | jethro: i just did a soft reboot and it booted back into x... i really dont ever need startx even if it is broken i can fix it if i ever need it.... |
| 12:12.29 | twice | silverton how long do you take to install ? |
| 12:12.40 | jethro | jim: that's because dpkg is the root of all spam |
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| 12:12.46 | silverton | twice, half an hour to 45 minutes |
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| 12:13.01 | twice | silverton you need more practice than anyways |
| 12:13.01 | jim | or the spam of all roots |
| 12:13.04 | Solet | omg... it takes me forever to install debian... |
| 12:13.07 | silverton | twice, haha! |
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| 12:13.15 | silverton | Solet, ? dial-up ? |
| 12:13.16 | jim | haha haha? |
| 12:13.21 | anhi | are there any debian builds of the firefox 1.1 alpha-rc ? |
| 12:13.23 | Solet | no |
| 12:13.27 | Solet | even with cd's takes forever |
| 12:13.35 | silverton | 128kbps dsl? |
| 12:13.39 | jethro | anhi: /msg dpkg search |
| 12:13.48 | silverton | I'm on 4mbps cable, I get 300+KB/s transfer rates |
| 12:13.48 | Solet | i'm on a 1 meg cable line |
| 12:13.50 | jbmigel | Solet i didnt know you could install deb on x286 |
| 12:14.04 | jim | well, you can't using linux |
| 12:14.12 | Solet | lol its a p4 |
| 12:14.32 | jim | but Alan Cox was doing something with 286s and below at one point |
| 12:14.34 | yaccobb | silverton, 4mbps and get 300+ ? I have 2mbps cable and get 280kB/s ;) but i have only 300kbps upload.. bah |
| 12:14.37 | Solet | it just takes me forever to read all the screens cause i dont feel secure enough to hold the enter key for 5 minutes to let it default everything |
| 12:14.49 | moi_ | ey, which program keeps modifying my /etc/motd? everytime i erase the first line (Linux mylinux 2.4.30-grsec #4....), it shows up again after a reboot?! |
| 12:14.50 | silverton | yaccobb, I'm stealing cable ;P I have a weak wireless signal |
| 12:15.06 | twice | moi_ its an init script |
| 12:15.08 | anhi | jethro: there are none in the official reps so i ask in here... |
| 12:15.27 | yaccobb | silverton, heh, how can one steal cable ? |
| 12:15.31 | twice | moi_ grep -nri "motd" /etc/init.d/* |
| 12:15.33 | Solet | wow xfree makes the most retarded sound on startup |
| 12:15.33 | silverton | yaccobb, easily |
| 12:15.39 | Solet | buzzzzz-riiing |
| 12:15.43 | silverton | I have a wireless NIC, someone around my house has a wireless router |
| 12:15.45 | silverton | they leave it open |
| 12:15.49 | moi_ | /etc/init.d/bootmisc.sh:80 |
| 12:15.54 | moi_ | yay. thanks twice! |
| 12:15.56 | moi_ | ;) |
| 12:15.56 | jethro | anhi: debian is not used to packaging alpha of any software, afaict |
| 12:16.00 | twice | moi_ chacge the settings ... its an option somewhere |
| 12:16.02 | jim | thanks thanks? |
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| 12:16.15 | jim | ohhh |
| 12:16.22 | anhi | jethro: yes, but i'm sure some users have build deb's from it.... |
| 12:16.22 | jim | there's someone named twice here |
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| 12:16.30 | jethro | anhi: !fgi then |
| 12:16.40 | yaccobb | silverton really ? anyone don't reveal that ? |
| 12:16.51 | silverton | yaccobb, ? |
| 12:17.03 | yaccobb | silverton, that stealing |
| 12:17.09 | silverton | yaccobb, I know |
| 12:17.15 | silverton | But, I don't really care |
| 12:17.15 | BrianAnthony | If my soundcard module is loaded, and I have my output settings correct... but errors come up to check that. could it be a problem with the mixer? |
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| 12:17.25 | yaccobb | hehe |
| 12:17.26 | twice | BrianAnthony sure |
| 12:17.27 | mynullvoid | hi all |
| 12:17.27 | silverton | anyways, be back in a bit |
| 12:17.32 | Solet | accually taking advantage of an open wifi network isnt illegal |
| 12:17.42 | twice | BrianAnthony put the vlume up |
| 12:17.43 | jethro | Solet: it is, depending on the country you're in |
| 12:17.50 | BrianAnthony | twice: it goes back down |
| 12:17.52 | Solet | prolly |
| 12:17.56 | Solet | but its alright in the us |
| 12:17.59 | jethro | Solet: and I m sure it is in the us |
| 12:18.04 | jim | Solet: unless you cost the owners money without talking to them first |
| 12:18.04 | BrianAnthony | twice: but I've check lsmod and it has my soundcard module loaded |
| 12:18.16 | tra1a1a | Solet: you should tell this to your big dark cellmate |
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| 12:18.34 | Solet | tra1a1a wtf? |
| 12:18.37 | twice | BrianAnthony please state the error you get |
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| 12:19.00 | tra1a1a | <Solet> accually taking advantage of an open wifi network isnt illegal |
| 12:19.15 | moi_ | /etc/default/rcS is it.. hum, never noticed this file before |
| 12:19.19 | mynullvoid | I installed apache-perl but it can't process .pl file, it asks to download it |
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| 12:19.35 | jim | check your local laws :) see, technically, that's theft |
| 12:19.35 | BrianAnthony | xmms says... "please check that your soundcard is configured properly, you have the correct output plugin selected. no other program is blockig the soundcard" |
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| 12:20.07 | twice | BrianAnthony config xmms to use the appropriate plugin then |
| 12:20.07 | Solet | jim: no its not because its a public broadcast |
| 12:20.19 | Solet | its like some one setting their shit on my lawn over night... |
| 12:20.23 | Solet | its mine now bitch |
| 12:20.24 | BrianAnthony | twice: It's using the ALSA output plugin |
| 12:20.31 | liable | BrianAnthony: alsaconf detects it ok? |
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| 12:20.33 | Solet | their router broadcasted its signal to my computer |
| 12:20.37 | twice | BrianAnthony config xmms to use another plugin then |
| 12:20.44 | Nigel | BrianAnthony: are you in KDE? |
| 12:20.59 | twice | BrianAnthony click and guess |
| 12:21.05 | jethro | Solet: bullshit |
| 12:21.12 | jim | Solet: oh, I see... so it's their fault :) |
| 12:21.19 | twice | BrianAnthony r u familiar with windowz ? |
| 12:21.21 | jethro | Solet: read the laws |
| 12:21.24 | tarzeau | !r |
| 12:21.24 | dpkg | it has been said that r is a powerful language based on S, primarily used for statistics. It is well suited for dealing with large sets of numbers in matrices and/or vectors. apt-get install r-base r-recommended r-base-html. AND IT'S "ARE" YOU MORONS! |
| 12:21.26 | tarzeau | !u |
| 12:21.26 | dpkg | Damnit Jim! It's YOU. Y-O-U. Not *U*. U is a letter. YOU is a word. See ne1, or wud. Dutch for 'you' (formal singular). See http://ars.userfriendly.org/cartoons/?id=20041201 |
| 12:21.27 | jethro | !u |
| 12:21.28 | tarzeau | !windowz |
| 12:21.28 | tra1a1a | I'm sure your cellmate will be impressed with your logic |
| 12:21.31 | jethro | damn tarzeau |
| 12:21.36 | yaccobb | heh, btw 'kde' mean 'where' in my language ;) |
| 12:21.41 | Solet | jim: they dont even make routers that dont support encryption of some sort any more... |
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| 12:22.03 | Solet | jethro: i have read the laws... i have a complete volume of federal statutes at my disposal |
| 12:22.07 | jethro | Solet: where do you get all these stupid ideas? from lack of rest? |
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| 12:22.39 | Solet | jethro accually i think it was about half way through volume 27 but it was about a year ago that i checked so i could be off on the location |
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| 12:23.02 | BrianAnthony | Nigel: no, I'm in gnome |
| 12:23.06 | jim | Solet: the fact remains that if you're on their network, you're using their bandwidth... if you make them go over their quota and they have to pay money, you owe it |
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| 12:23.20 | jethro | Solet: and where did you get that wifi gear manufacturers no longer let their wifi routers suppor encryption? |
| 12:23.24 | jethro | Solet: on /. ? |
| 12:23.35 | Solet | jim: no isp in the us that i'm aware of has quotas.. |
| 12:23.41 | Nigel | BrianAnthony: sure another app hasn't 'stolen' /dev/dsp, i.e. esound? |
| 12:23.47 | Solet | jethro: didnt say that |
| 12:23.54 | Solet | jim: they dont even make routers that dont support encryption of some sort any more... |
| 12:23.55 | jethro | "Solet | jim: they dont even make routers that dont support encryption of some sort" |
| 12:24.08 | jethro | maybve I misread that then |
| 12:24.12 | jim | Solet: then you're not aware of all of them... bandwidth -always- costs someone. |
| 12:24.16 | Solet | they DONT make routers that DONT support encryption |
| 12:24.31 | jethro | double negation makes it less readable imho |
| 12:24.32 | twice | BrianAnthony juk or noatun are nice also |
| 12:24.41 | Solet | jim: i've never heard of a bandwidth cap in the us |
| 12:24.50 | jim | so are you saying you conveniently found a router that isn't encrypted? |
| 12:24.53 | twice | BrianAnthony noatun is straigtforward |
| 12:24.55 | BrianAnthony | Nigel: how would I see that |
| 12:25.02 | Solet | no |
| 12:25.07 | Nigel | twice: he's in gnome, they are KDE apps |
| 12:25.09 | Solet | i pay for my internet... |
| 12:25.20 | jim | oh, my mistake... |
| 12:25.28 | jethro | !lart nicodein for not saying hello when re-attaching his IRC client |
| 12:25.36 | twice | BrianAnthony you are on gnome |
| 12:25.41 | Ronin | Solet: cool, so im just going to use your connection to download debian, thanks muchly |
| 12:25.54 | BrianAnthony | twice: yes |
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| 12:25.56 | Solet | but what i'm saying is that open networks are open... to anyones use, anyone with a wireless network has the option of putting a key on it, by choosing not to do so they allow any traffic across it |
| 12:25.59 | fuzza | hi all |
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| 12:26.07 | Solet | ronin: go for it but i think you are out of my router's range |
| 12:26.08 | jethro | Solet: no they're not, unless they claim so |
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| 12:26.21 | Nigel | ummm i'd tell you if i can remember what the esound server goes under :P |
| 12:26.25 | tra1a1a | Solet: you're saying bullshit, but that shouldn't stop you from keep saying it |
| 12:26.32 | jethro | Solet: now technically everyone can use it, but legally it's not the same |
| 12:26.33 | Solet | jethro: most routers have a warning saying that by not putting a key on it anyone will be able to access your network and your internet |
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| 12:26.47 | Nigel | BrianAnthony: 'ps aux | grep esd' |
| 12:26.47 | jim | "Solet accually taking advantage of an open wifi network isnt illegal" <-- started it all... |
| 12:26.55 | jethro | Solet: I couldn't tell you I use hostap |
| 12:27.03 | jethro | jim: agreed, and that was a false statement |
| 12:27.08 | twice | esd is not a soundserver ? |
| 12:27.09 | Ronin | Solet: yes but that doesnt mean you can do that,just that it can happen |
| 12:27.53 | jethro | twice: it is |
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| 12:27.53 | Nigel | twice: its esound |
| 12:27.53 | Solet | as of about a year ago using an open network you dont own was perfectly legal |
| 12:27.53 | pngwn | Solet, with that logic you could come into my house because the door is unlocked |
| 12:27.53 | Solet | i saw the hard copy of the statute |
| 12:27.53 | jim | so you can replace "is" with "would be" in statements like "Solet: technically that is stealing" |
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| 12:28.01 | jethro | this is bullshit |
| 12:28.08 | Solet | pngwn: no, but i can if the door is open |
| 12:28.15 | Solet | how's that for fun law |
| 12:28.27 | pngwn | you might walk in, but they'll carry your dead ass out |
| 12:28.31 | jim | Solet: citing? |
| 12:28.32 | Nigel | Solet: tresspassing |
| 12:28.33 | BrianAnthony | Nigel: squatta 17412 0.0 0.0 1836 588 pts/1 R+ 08:30 0:00 grep esd |
| 12:28.45 | Solet | migel: not with an open door |
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| 12:28.50 | Solet | laws are fun |
| 12:28.54 | Nigel | BrianAnthony: thats ok then, |
| 12:29.06 | tra1a1a | Solet: your interpretation of the laws is fun |
| 12:29.08 | twice | BrianAnthony killall esd |
| 12:29.18 | BrianAnthony | twice: tryed it. |
| 12:29.23 | BrianAnthony | twice: didn't work |
| 12:29.32 | Nigel | Solet: trespassing involves been on a persons property without their express permission |
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| 12:29.40 | Solet | father being an asshole lawyer and all i've been able to learn exactly where the laws shortcomings are |
| 12:29.49 | jim | BrianAnthony: find out if a process is using your sound card |
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| 12:29.59 | BrianAnthony | jim: how? |
| 12:30.10 | jim | Solet: so would you have a citing of the statute in question? |
| 12:30.10 | Nigel | of course it wouldn't have work, grep was only running with the ps task... |
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| 12:30.13 | tra1a1a | and it will be even more fun to see someone taking this interpretation for real |
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| 12:30.25 | Solet | jim: the door or the network? |
| 12:30.26 | jonkri | where can i find the official smtp standard for example? who developed it? |
| 12:30.44 | Solet | i can find either in a few minutes |
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| 12:30.44 | bbrazil | jonkri: rfc821 |
| 12:30.56 | BrianAnthony | I get sound under root though |
| 12:30.58 | BrianAnthony | is the funny thing |
| 12:30.59 | jim | there are two? describe/differentiate pls |
| 12:31.08 | w00t | i need some one that have msn or aim or icq that can help me? |
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| 12:31.13 | greycat | !anyone use |
| 12:31.13 | dpkg | No, no one uses it, not even the people who use it. |
| 12:31.18 | jim | BrianAnthony: add yourself to the audio group |
| 12:31.19 | twice | BrianAnthony are you a memeber of sound group ? |
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| 12:31.22 | jonkri | thanks |
| 12:31.25 | jim | sound? oh |
| 12:31.26 | liable | audio |
| 12:31.28 | greycat | twice: audio. |
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| 12:31.55 | twice | BrianAnthony adduser brian audio |
| 12:31.57 | xbm-x | any one can help me? |
| 12:32.06 | twice | eheh |
| 12:32.07 | Solet | jim: some other asshole started talking about his front door for some reason |
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| 12:32.15 | twice | more or less |
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| 12:32.32 | jim | BrianAnthony: after you add yourself to the group, the session you're running will still have the old groups... |
| 12:32.33 | nagual | Does anybody know of a way to quota limit per directory? Maybe a third party quota handler? |
| 12:32.38 | tra1a1a | !tell xbm-x about anyone |
| 12:32.40 | Pappa | Any FPT file system? Preferably userland. |
| 12:32.54 | pngwn | Solet, your asshole dad has an ignorant son |
| 12:32.55 | jim | BrianAnthony, so you have to log out and log back in again after adding yourself |
| 12:33.07 | jethro | !tell xbm-x -about smart questions |
| 12:33.18 | xbm-x | i have alot of stuff cool the do and i need help doing |
| 12:33.20 | BrianAnthony | jim: okay, brb |
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| 12:33.33 | xbm-x | to |
| 12:33.44 | jim | be or not to be? |
| 12:33.49 | jethro | !irritate xbm-x |
| 12:33.50 | dpkg | xbm-x: is there ne1 who cn answer my n00b q? how does I run teh edonkey ????? |
| 12:33.57 | tra1a1a | my dad says it's perfectly legal to hang Solet in the city park |
| 12:33.57 | jim | dream the impossible dream? |
| 12:34.01 | xbm-x | ggrr |
| 12:34.03 | xbm-x | ok |
| 12:34.06 | twice | lol |
| 12:34.19 | eye69 | Does anybody know of a way to quota limit per directory? Maybe a third party quota handler? |
| 12:34.52 | twice | tralala upside down until he s dry |
| 12:34.54 | jim | xbm-x: just shake it off and ask informative questions :) |
| 12:34.58 | xbm-x | i have this wire less running on 2 pcs with windows and this laptop how do i sharde stuff |
| 12:35.01 | jethro | eye69: /msg dpkg quota |
| 12:35.17 | jim | how do you shar de stuff? |
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| 12:35.21 | xbm-x | this laptop have debian |
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| 12:35.35 | BrianAnthony | it works. awesome. thanks. |
| 12:35.35 | silenius | xmb-x: open your purse, take out half of the money. give to to *someone*. that's sharing. |
| 12:35.56 | jim | BrianAnthony: it helped once the problem was known |
| 12:35.56 | twice | silenius agree |
| 12:35.59 | xbm-x | uh? |
| 12:36.00 | tarzeau | damn i forgot how to get rid of spaces in the front, preferably with awk? |
| 12:36.08 | eye69 | jethro: I already use the standard quota package. What I want is a way to limit quota per directory, instead of per partition. |
| 12:36.21 | xbm-x | i want to shade folders |
| 12:36.31 | tra1a1a | tarzeau: how about sed? |
| 12:36.32 | xbm-x | in 3 pcs |
| 12:36.34 | jethro | shade? |
| 12:36.35 | greycat | !folder |
| 12:36.35 | dpkg | methinks folder is a directory damn it! or near My Computer and Network Neighborhood, or the things you put in a filing cabinet |
| 12:36.39 | tarzeau | tra1a1a: ok tell me |
| 12:36.40 | xbm-x | sharde |
| 12:36.41 | greycat | !folders |
| 12:36.42 | dpkg | in non-moronic language, directories |
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| 12:36.48 | tarzeau | tra1a1a: wait i remembered |
| 12:36.55 | tra1a1a | sed -e 's/^ +//' |
| 12:37.10 | tra1a1a | the + may need to be escaped |
| 12:37.12 | greycat | this is the second idiot in two days who can't spell 'share'. |
| 12:37.13 | tarzeau | tra1a1a: doesn't work |
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| 12:37.22 | tra1a1a | so \+ |
| 12:37.24 | tarzeau | tra1a1a: ok with \ it does |
| 12:37.46 | xbm-x | my 3 pcs is on the same network how do i controlet |
| 12:37.55 | jethro | we need moron related stats |
| 12:38.07 | jethro | xbm-x: what is your prefered language? |
| 12:38.10 | jim | after all these years, I have to say it's because the helpers are not getting helpees to read enough |
| 12:38.22 | tra1a1a | jethro: I'm affraid we won't be able to afford the storage needed |
| 12:38.30 | xbm-x | shut up just help me |
| 12:38.30 | jim | I knew what the problem was when I was a channel op here |
| 12:38.32 | greycat | xbm-x: if they are all debian, use NFS. DONE. End of story. So long, see ya. |
| 12:38.34 | jethro | xbm-x: it looks as thought you'd get more help if yiou were able to state your problem. language specific channel might be a better option |
| 12:38.42 | greycat | xbm-x: if they AREN'T Debian, then you're in the wrong fucking place. |
| 12:38.55 | xbm-x | gggrrr |
| 12:38.57 | jim | he says one of them is |
| 12:39.00 | jethro | tra1a1a: what are you talking about? |
| 12:39.17 | xbm-x | this laptop is running debian and my 2 pcs is running windows |
| 12:39.18 | tra1a1a | the moron stats |
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| 12:39.21 | jethro | aah |
| 12:39.32 | jim | you don't need anything that PUTS PEOPLE DOWN |
| 12:39.35 | greycat | If you need to communicate with *inferior* operating systems, either install "Services for Unix" on them (it's really Unix Services For Windows), or use Samba. |
| 12:39.37 | jethro | I have shitloads of gmail invites, let's use gmailfs dor that |
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| 12:39.43 | twice | xbm-x dont you know bill controls the other 2 pcs |
| 12:39.46 | jethro | s/dor/for/ |
| 12:39.51 | jim | what you need is a scalable way to HELP THEM UP |
| 12:39.55 | Solet | jim i'm too tired to look through all of these... but the search is at http://www.gpoaccess.gov/cfr/index.html |
| 12:40.12 | xbm-x | twice: what is that |
| 12:40.23 | greycat | jim: how the hell can we help someone *so* stupid that he can't even google search "file share windows debian"? |
| 12:40.36 | twice | xbm-x google for bill first hit |
| 12:40.56 | jim | greycat: then you find a scalable way to help them get really good at doing research |
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| 12:41.13 | jethro | fgi is a nice start for that |
| 12:41.16 | tarzeau | can i have say alias mycat="cat FIRSTARGUMENT and another file" ? |
| 12:41.16 | Gothfunc | lo. i had difficulty configuring my laptop's soundcard. now it works but runs at only 22khz. is it possible that it's a limitation of the configuration, or is it more likely a hardware limitation? |
| 12:41.33 | jim | instead of how it is now... everyone just gets increasingly hostile over the years |
| 12:41.35 | greycat | tarzeau: no, use a function |
| 12:41.46 | greycat | tarzeau: mycat() { cat "$1" /foo/bar; } |
| 12:41.49 | mops | what is the difference between these 2 iptables statements: |
| 12:41.55 | mops | iptables -A INPUT -p tcp -m state --state NEW -m multiport --dports 22 -j ACCEPT |
| 12:41.57 | tarzeau | greycat: can i put that in my .bashrc ? |
| 12:41.57 | xbm-x | twice i dint find noting |
| 12:42.03 | greycat | tarzeau: yes |
| 12:42.09 | mops | iptables -A INPUT -p tcp -m multiport --dports 22 -j ACCEPT |
| 12:42.12 | mops | please? |
| 12:42.12 | BrianAnthony | FUCK. I just bit into a donut and it was harder than a rock |
| 12:42.12 | greycat | tarzeau: but I thought you were a zsh user...? |
| 12:42.19 | BrianAnthony | I have to stop leaving food on the desk |
| 12:42.21 | jethro | mops: the second oneis not statefull |
| 12:42.25 | tarzeau | greycat: i cheated, i of course mean .zshrc :) |
| 12:42.34 | jethro | mops: man iptables for more details |
| 12:42.37 | BrianAnthony | my mom ust have closed the bag after it had been sitting open for 12 hours |
| 12:42.43 | mops | jethro: what means "statefull"? |
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| 12:42.57 | jethro | mops: /states in iptables manpage |
| 12:43.03 | mops | ok |
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| 12:43.16 | mops | oh you mean the states |
| 12:43.24 | jim | mops: maybe one is looking for packets that request that a connection be started |
| 12:43.24 | mops | I know what means that NEW |
| 12:43.37 | yaccobb | Have anyone expirience with ATI's radeon Graphic card instalation ? |
| 12:43.46 | yaccobb | *experience |
| 12:44.05 | mops | but that with that NEW I should only be able to START connection, or no? |
| 12:44.07 | jim | then what are you asking about? you should take a look at the docs... piece together what each line means |
| 12:44.09 | tra1a1a | yaccobb: dont ask anyone, ask dpkg about anyone |
| 12:44.17 | jethro | nagual: |
| 12:44.19 | jethro | mops: yes |
| 12:44.27 | jethro | nagual: sorry, pebcak here |
| 12:44.36 | mops | jethro: and not to send ANY more packets, yes? |
| 12:44.39 | nagual | jethro: how? |
| 12:44.40 | jethro | mops: you might want NEW,ESTABLISHED |
| 12:44.57 | jim | yeah, what exactly do you want? |
| 12:45.02 | mops | the first statement on INPUT chains is: |
| 12:45.06 | jethro | nagual: blame lag + putty, they made me do this typo and address |
| 12:45.08 | mops | iptables -A INPUT -m state --state RELATED,ESTABLISHED -j ACCEPT |
| 12:45.10 | yaccobb | tralala, well I found some howtos, but i ended at kernel compilation... ok, never mind |
| 12:45.13 | mops | so I have there |
| 12:45.16 | nagual | jethro: np |
| 12:45.21 | mops | and the INPUT policy is DROP |
| 12:45.31 | mops | but another problem: |
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| 12:45.39 | mops | what is RELATED? |
| 12:45.43 | jethro | mops: what is your real question? if it's about details on iptables, there should be better channels than #debian |
| 12:45.44 | mops | is it needed there? |
| 12:45.53 | greycat | ask #iptables |
| 12:45.53 | tra1a1a | yaccobb: the kernel compilation is the *last* thing you want to do |
| 12:45.56 | jim | related to a particular connection that's being tracked maybe? |
| 12:46.00 | mops | jethro: but you know it |
| 12:46.01 | jethro | mops: start with reading the ip filter howto |
| 12:46.05 | jethro | !they don't know |
| 12:46.05 | dpkg | Just because the morons in some OTHER channel don't know the answer to your non-Debian question does NOT give you the right to molest US with your problems. Go try Google. |
| 12:46.07 | mops | jethro: ok |
| 12:46.12 | mops | thank you a lot |
| 12:46.20 | jim | actually that's a good suggestion (and a -scalable- one) |
| 12:46.32 | tra1a1a | yaccobb: you might want to check /msg dpkg smart questions |
| 12:46.37 | jethro | mops: #debian is not the universal knowledge base even if some users here are knowledgeable. |
| 12:46.59 | mops | jethro: but iptables are also in debian :) |
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| 12:47.02 | ellobo | hi |
| 12:47.02 | jethro | mops: and it could be considered annoying when someone asks about off topic subjects |
| 12:47.09 | mops | jethro: but I understand, so sorry :( |
| 12:47.20 | greycat | Debian has 16 thousand packages. That doesn't mean we know the intimate details of every one. |
| 12:47.26 | jim | jethro: he wants help in writing his entire firewall app, if I'm reading between the lines correctly :) |
| 12:47.29 | jethro | mops: of course it is, but understanding it, and using advanced features of it is not beyond the scope of #debian |
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| 12:47.50 | mops | jim: I have set it already |
| 12:47.53 | jethro | jim: Im just trying to point him to mrore efficient support ressources |
| 12:47.58 | jethro | s/mr/m/ |
| 12:48.02 | mops | but want to UNDERSTAND COMPLETLY |
| 12:48.07 | mops | what's going on |
| 12:48.15 | ellobo | this might be a silly question, but... is there any way of mounting a gzipped file (created with "dd if=/dev/hdaX bs=1M | gzip -9") without ungzipping it ? |
| 12:48.17 | jethro | mops: you'll have to read I guess, and probably try a few things |
| 12:48.18 | bbrazil | mops: read the howtos and guides |
| 12:48.44 | jim | there's a doc I just saw on the netfilter page... "The journey of a packet through 2.4.x netfilter" or something like that |
| 12:48.45 | jethro | mops: hping2 can be helpfull at understanding how firewalls rulesets are implemented |
| 12:48.52 | greycat | ellobo: hack the loopback driver.... |
| 12:48.59 | silenius | ellobo: you have to gunzip it to access the content, either explicit or implicit.. |
| 12:49.03 | twice | mops iptables is an advanced topic which you should really be interessted in to learn it. It involves routing firewalling and tcp/ip knowledge. What might look to you as a simple q is the top of the iceberg |
| 12:49.11 | mops | jethro: ok thanks a lot |
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| 12:49.33 | ellobo | greycat: yes... i could do that... but i think ungzipping takes a shorter amount of time :P |
| 12:49.45 | jethro | mops: on the other hand, building firewalls with iptables is not something I d do, for iptables syntax is crap |
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| 12:49.49 | tra1a1a | it does indeed |
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| 12:50.19 | nagual | jethro: indeed |
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| 12:50.45 | tra1a1a | ah, I can see that we have a new target after webmin |
| 12:50.56 | jethro | not really |
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| 12:51.02 | jim | I can't understand iptables syntax about 80% of the time |
| 12:51.02 | jethro | I m just sharing my personnal experience |
| 12:51.04 | twice | mops you might evenconsider doing without a firewall as linux doesnt open you up as windz does |
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| 12:51.28 | jethro | twice: thta's not an advice I d give. you always NEED a firewall |
| 12:51.37 | jim | or especially one that's that closed |
| 12:51.39 | nagual | actually windows xp by default firewalls all default services, which debian doesnt |
| 12:51.41 | mops | twice: but I'm interested in that topic :) |
| 12:51.44 | jethro | it's like having sex without a condom nowadays |
| 12:51.58 | twice | jethro thats windowz minded |
| 12:52.01 | jim | fun but dangerous? |
| 12:52.08 | jethro | !moron tw |
| 12:52.09 | dpkg | tw: You are moron #44 |
| 12:52.13 | nagual | twice: yea, you seem to really know what you talk about :) |
| 12:52.17 | jethro | think you got it anyways |
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| 12:52.44 | ellobo | !dogrape |
| 12:52.48 | nagual | its ok, most new linuxusers bash windows, cause they think thats what they are supposed to do. windows has its uses, and it surpasses linux/debian in some ways. |
| 12:52.57 | twice | So without a firewall on a debian box running no servers what are the risks ? please elaborate then |
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| 12:53.02 | ellobo | dpkg dogrape |
| 12:53.04 | nagual | im more of a 'right tool for the job' type of guy :) |
| 12:53.05 | jim | twice: believe me, most places need a firewall... |
| 12:53.21 | rituraj | which package wil give "make-kpkg" ?? |
| 12:53.27 | greycat | rituraj: /msg dpkg search |
| 12:53.28 | jethro | twice: how many unix systems with no network services enabled do you really use? |
| 12:53.28 | jim | !kp |
| 12:53.29 | dpkg | hmm... kp is To compile a kernel The Debian Way (tm) "apt-get install kernel-package build-essential" and follow the instructions in /usr/share/doc/kernel-package/README.gz or when it bitches, rm -rf stamp-* debian before you run it again, or ask me about 'make-kpkg' and 'kp mantra', or http://newbiedoc.sf.net/, or (read Rationale.gz in the doc directory too) |
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| 12:53.36 | jethro | twice: don't try to be a smart ass and give bogus examples |
| 12:54.04 | greycat | a unix box with no network services is... a nethack console? |
| 12:54.10 | jethro | :) |
| 12:54.14 | greycat | what the hell would you *do* with a debian box with no network? |
| 12:54.14 | nagual | :) |
| 12:54.17 | tarzeau | greycat: heh |
| 12:54.21 | Bwl | I've resized a partition on /dev/hdb that's only used for backups. When I run lilo now after trying to upgrade my kernel I get 'part_nowrite: read:: Input/output error'. Some forum entry I found mentioned that the user got this while his usb storage was plugged in, and not when it were not. Can I somehow make lilo ignore my /dev/hdb? |
| 12:54.25 | jethro | greycat: you pretend you don't need a firewall :) |
| 12:54.27 | twice | jethro i bet mops runs a desktop install |
| 12:54.28 | kneet | greycat, hold the door open? |
| 12:54.34 | tra1a1a | nagual: don't you dare to say something like that here. here we have the widely spread belief that there is *only one way* to do the things. see /msg dpkg webmin |
| 12:54.36 | zinx | twice: default debian has at least an smtp daemon; even if you're running nothing, you're less likely to have an accessable backdoor if one of the programs you're accessing the internet with gets passively hacked |
| 12:54.38 | jethro | twice: I couldn't care less |
| 12:54.39 | tarzeau | jethro: we don't need any. and i don't have any either |
| 12:54.43 | jim | he probably means no servers listening on ports |
| 12:54.58 | nagual | to quote one of my heros 'a computer without internetconnection is´nt a real computer' -theo de raadt 2003 (iirc) :) |
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| 12:55.07 | greycat | tra1a1a: bad example. webmin *is* atrocious. |
| 12:55.16 | rituraj | msg:/make-kpkg |
| 12:55.21 | tarzeau | kneet: you know what nethack is? |
| 12:55.23 | twice | ok ppl its your game , beleive in firewalls or not , i dont mind |
| 12:55.30 | greycat | zinx: it doesn't listen on the eth* interfaces by default, though. |
| 12:55.33 | nagual | tra1a1a: i did, and i dare state my opinion ;-) |
| 12:55.43 | tra1a1a | greycat: exactly my point! |
| 12:55.51 | jethro | permatardsday is going to kill me |
| 12:56.00 | tarzeau | twice: of course we don't: |
| 12:56.00 | greycat | !sing wednesday |
| 12:56.00 | dpkg | Nothing here to fear / I'm just sitting around / Being foolish when / There is work to be done |
| 12:56.09 | zinx | twice: i'm glad all your browsers and IRC clients have zero vulnerabilities |
| 12:56.16 | tarzeau | twice: here's why: http://www.debianplanet.org/debianplanet/article.php?thold=-1&mode=flat&order=1&sid=235#1538 |
| 12:56.20 | jim | rituraj: scroll up, your question was answered |
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| 12:56.22 | tra1a1a | nagual: :) |
| 12:56.27 | twice | zinx ok zinz |
| 12:56.31 | sparkx | excuse the break guys... but does anyone of you use checkinstall? |
| 12:56.32 | twice | zinx ok zinx |
| 12:56.35 | ellobo | !boo |
| 12:56.40 | nagual | oh btw, maybe you know the answer to this. you know what fakirs use to lie on? a 'nailbed' so to speak. do yo uknow the correct word in english? |
| 12:56.42 | ellobo | this one's great :) |
| 12:56.45 | greycat | sparkx: what the fuck is that? fedora? suse? |
| 12:56.54 | peterS | zinx: I'm glad mine do too. it would suck to be using browsers and other tools with vulnerabilities |
| 12:56.58 | greycat | nagual: bed of nails |
| 12:57.05 | nagual | thank you |
| 12:57.07 | jim | sparkx: gotta ask the question. before you do, /msg dpkg sicco |
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| 12:57.12 | sparkx | greycat, no. it's tool listed in official apt repositories |
| 12:57.20 | greycat | !info checkinstall sid |
| 12:57.22 | dpkg | checkinstall: (installation tracker), section admin, is optional. Version: 1.5.3-3 (sid), Packaged size: 34 kB, Installed size: 132 kB |
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| 12:57.25 | ellobo | sparkx: i do |
| 12:57.27 | zinx | peterS: yours merely have none you know about ;) |
| 12:57.27 | greycat | oh. |
| 12:57.44 | greycat | maybe I was thinking of "checkconfig" or something. |
| 12:57.45 | jonkri__ | is there some law or something that says that microsoft has to have open protocols, for example the doc format? |
| 12:57.47 | ellobo | sparkx: altough only in last case :) |
| 12:57.56 | greycat | jonkri__: no |
| 12:57.58 | ellobo | s/lt/lth/ |
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| 12:58.09 | jim | jonkri__: aren't you trolling now? |
| 12:58.11 | sparkx | my problem is that i'm not able to prevent it from installing every package he wraps up. |
| 12:58.18 | jonkri__ | jim trolling? |
| 12:58.22 | twice | I have a internet browser which i assume has vulnerabilities, i would like to protect this with a firewall , it uses port 80. ? |
| 12:58.23 | jim | yes |
| 12:58.26 | tarzeau | jonkri__: laws are national |
| 12:58.29 | jonkri__ | jim what does that mean? |
| 12:58.33 | tarzeau | jonkri__: in my unixland it is |
| 12:58.39 | jim | see gnu jargon file |
| 12:58.43 | jonkri__ | tarzeau hehe |
| 12:58.55 | peterS | zinx: as far as browser vulnerabilities, these would matter if I ever visited sites that aren't well-known to have solid reputations |
| 12:58.57 | tra1a1a | jonkri__: there is one such a law just waiting to be accepted. be sure to check out #debian on a regular basis - this is the place it will be published |
| 12:58.58 | tarzeau | twice: you can't |
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| 12:59.05 | greycat | jonkri__: Strike One. |
| 12:59.10 | sparkx | ellobo, can you stop the installation via dpkg after the packaging? |
| 12:59.10 | twice | tarzeau thanks |
| 12:59.12 | tarzeau | twice: firewalls can't bake cakes |
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| 12:59.16 | nagual | btw, im not much for pasting links, but i found this amusing/tragic http://www.newturfers.com/mwf/attach/38/355838/BBCNEWSWorldLionMutilates42MidgetsinCambodianRing-Fight.htm |
| 12:59.54 | twice | tarzeau it was a q to demonstrate the level of bullshit on this channel |
| 12:59.59 | jonkri__ | so why should microsoft open up it's protocols to samba, then? |
| 13:00.04 | ellobo | sparkx: dunno... try --showinstall=yes (just guessing) |
| 13:00.06 | tarzeau | twice: the level of this channel is fine |
| 13:00.20 | tarzeau | twice: i don't get what your problem is with the level of this channel from monday to friday |
| 13:00.25 | greycat | jonkri__: ask #samba. |
| 13:00.29 | jim | twice: that's a troll by definition |
| 13:00.35 | jonkri__ | ok :) |
| 13:00.40 | twice | tarzeau im glad you saw me through |
| 13:00.40 | tarzeau | jim: who? |
| 13:00.44 | jim | twicwe |
| 13:00.50 | tra1a1a | jonkri__: they've done so only for your sake |
| 13:00.54 | jim | tarzeau: |
| 13:00.55 | sparkx | ellobo, thanks :) i tried but it keep installing eveything :) |
| 13:01.03 | ircdevil | nagual: when will the pictures emerge on rotten.com? |
| 13:01.09 | ellobo | sparkx: sorry :( |
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| 13:01.13 | jonkri__ | tra1a1a who've done what? |
| 13:01.14 | sparkx | ellobo, nothing :) |
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| 13:01.28 | jim | tarzeau, "<twice> tarzeau it was a q to demonstrate the level of bullshit on this channel" |
| 13:01.35 | tra1a1a | jankri: who's asking what?! |
| 13:01.47 | greycat | ATTENTION ALL TROLLS: SHUT THE FUCK UP. |
| 13:01.49 | nagual | ircdevil: the article says no cameras where allowed, but i dont know, i never surf there, i found rotten.com disgusting and i wish there was some way to ensure all people surfing there were adults |
| 13:01.50 | tra1a1a | jonkri__: who's asking what?! |
| 13:01.59 | sparkx | ellobo, i'm just writing a script to update my e16 from cvs and install its package once a week :) |
| 13:02.04 | jonkri__ | tra1a1a they've done what for my/our sake? |
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| 13:02.14 | ellobo | sparkx: you can allways be raddical :) "alias dpkg='echo xxx>/dev/null'" ... |
| 13:02.40 | sparkx | ellobo, :) that's too radical. |
| 13:02.42 | ircdevil | nagual: rotten.com is a reaction to political correctness - it has its place |
| 13:02.49 | PHUNKy_BUDDhA | im using squirrelmail... but when im login i receive this message: ERROR : Could not complete request. |
| 13:02.49 | PHUNKy_BUDDhA | Query: CREATE "INBOX.Sent" |
| 13:02.49 | PHUNKy_BUDDhA | Reason Given: Permission denied |
| 13:03.07 | sparkx | ellobo, but I never thought about it... i'm not an hacker :) |
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| 13:03.09 | tarzeau | !nickometer PHUNKy_BUDDhA |
| 13:03.09 | dpkg | 'PHUNKy_BUDDhA' is 99.9215% lame, tarzeau |
| 13:03.09 | tra1a1a | jonkri__: I would love to continue our pointless conversation, because right now there is nothing else I have to do, but I can see some people getting upset with it and I'm affraid I might end up banned. |
| 13:03.16 | greycat | PHUNKy_BUDDhA: ask #squirrelmail |
| 13:03.16 | prahal | dudes ... please takes care of your boxes . I got ssh attempts from 4 isp at a time nowadays :( |
| 13:03.17 | jim | PHUNKy_BUDDhA: why is permission denied? |
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| 13:03.22 | greycat | PHUNKy_BUDDhA: or the channel for your IMAP server, whichever one it is. |
| 13:03.25 | jonkri__ | tra1a1a hehehe |
| 13:03.27 | ircdevil | nagual: think of all the kids playing counter-strike and cheerfully yelling "head-shot" when they frag one of their friends - and then check the head-shop pic on rotten :o) |
| 13:03.37 | PHUNKy_BUDDhA | greycat thx =] |
| 13:03.38 | nagual | ircdevil: that could be discussed of course, but i cant do anything about it, and im not much for censorship :) |
| 13:03.39 | tarzeau | prahal: we run ssh on the telnet port |
| 13:03.46 | ircdevil | s/shop/shot/ |
| 13:03.54 | PHUNKy_BUDDhA | jim i dont know! =] |
| 13:03.58 | jonkri__ | tra1a1a you said "they've done so only for your sake" - what do you mean by that? |
| 13:03.59 | nagual | ircdevil: sound like you been hs:ed a lot :) |
| 13:04.07 | prahal | tarzeau: that s not what i call paranoid :) |
| 13:04.08 | jim | prahal: yes, I've noticed |
| 13:04.18 | carlos_ | alguien habla español |
| 13:04.21 | greycat | !es |
| 13:04.21 | dpkg | Hispanohablantes: Por favor usen #debian-es, alli obtendran mas ayuda. Spanish Speakers: Please use #debian-es, there you will get much more help. |
| 13:04.22 | tarzeau | prahal: they only try it on the default ssh port |
| 13:04.23 | ircdevil | nagual: heh |
| 13:04.24 | tra1a1a | jonkri__: do you keep a trac of the questions you ask? |
| 13:04.31 | jim | they want in as linda or somethign |
| 13:04.35 | jonkri__ | tra1a1a appearantly not :) |
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| 13:04.48 | jim | that's why I want netcrash |
| 13:04.58 | prahal | thangs like AllowUsers should be mandatory nowadays |
| 13:05.03 | tra1a1a | jonkri__: yeah, so don't mind me |
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| 13:05.20 | jonkri__ | tra1a1a i don't see how that replies to any question i've asked, to be serious |
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| 13:05.55 | ircdevil | nagual: 28 midget darwin awards comming up |
| 13:05.58 | jim | jonkri__: and I'm perfectly ok with that :) |
| 13:06.08 | tra1a1a | jonkri__: but you do see how to questions you ask apply to #debian, don't you? |
| 13:06.10 | jethro | what's the prefered kernel image for a pentium m ? |
| 13:06.11 | jim | since the questions you're asking belong elsewhere, not here |
| 13:06.36 | jim | I don't think they apply |
| 13:06.40 | greycat | jethro: -686 |
| 13:06.42 | mooded | jethro, id assume 686.. |
| 13:06.43 | tra1a1a | jethro: i686 works, dunno if it is preffered |
| 13:06.50 | mooded | ^^ |
| 13:06.56 | jethro | does it have the speedstep thingies enabled? |
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| 13:07.07 | jethro | greycat: mooded tra1a1a thanks for your answer |
| 13:07.10 | jonkri__ | ok sorry |
| 13:07.12 | greycat | jethro: you can check /boot/config-$(uname -r) |
| 13:07.16 | exerd | <PROTECTED> |
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| 13:07.18 | jethro | aight I ll do that |
| 13:07.50 | jim | jonkri__: if you want to ask -technical- questions about -debian-... that's ok for here. |
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| 13:11.46 | tarzeau | elirips: from which kanton in switzerland are you? |
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| 13:12.39 | elirips | tarzeau: bern, why? |
| 13:12.49 | tarzeau | elirips: just curious |
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| 13:12.53 | elirips | tarzeau: you? |
| 13:12.58 | tarzeau | elirips: ag/zh |
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| 13:13.13 | tarzeau | elirips: 'cause there's #linux.ch |
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| 13:13.25 | elirips | tarzeau: ah, nice, lived at zh last year, during my studies at eth |
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| 13:13.41 | tarzeau | elirips: what studies, where at eth? i worked in bern last year for 7months |
| 13:13.54 | PHUNKy_BUDDhA | anybody here uses squirrelmail for give some help? |
| 13:14.00 | elirips | tarzeau: computer science, what else ;). now i changed to university of bern, more comfortable here. |
| 13:14.01 | tarzeau | PHUNKy_BUDDhA: no. |
| 13:14.22 | greycat | PHUNKy_BUDDhA: #squirrelmail. |
| 13:14.24 | tra1a1a | !anyone use |
| 13:14.25 | dpkg | No, no one uses it, not even the people who use it. |
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| 13:14.48 | tra1a1a | !pal PHUNKy_BUDDhA |
| 13:14.55 | elirips | gan somebody give me a hint, what makes more sense if i need to install things from source: just do a make install, or make a deb-package out of it and install it with dpkg? is it complicated to create debs? |
| 13:15.01 | jim | PHUNKy_BUDDhA: and whether you ask here or there... /msg dpkg sicco |
| 13:15.13 | tarzeau | elirips: it's easy, if it's free software do a deb package |
| 13:15.19 | tarzeau | elirips: www.linuks.mine.nu/irc/debian-packaging/ |
| 13:15.36 | elirips | tarzeau: thanks. |
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| 13:16.23 | jim | elirips: if you want to build your own stuff and not do a debian package, make sure the prefix is -not- /usr |
| 13:16.28 | masoft | elirips, I use compiling from source for some packages. it make them faster ... for example MPlayer |
| 13:16.43 | jim | a better choice for that is /usr/local or /usr/local/yourproject |
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| 13:17.02 | caphuso | the better choice is to use marillat's packages |
| 13:17.24 | jim | the former would be in a debian user's path by default, the latter will not, and you'd have to alter some things |
| 13:18.33 | elirips | masoft: i think the advantage of creating debs is that it is much easier to install on another system/reinstall, and remove, in case one day official debs are created, so i'll try to build my first deb now :) |
| 13:18.33 | zophyx | retardo firefaux tells me that a broken version of Xprt has been detected and that i should contact the vendor |
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| 13:18.48 | zophyx | firefox totally sucks |
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| 13:19.00 | zophyx | no wait, debian totally sucks too |
| 13:19.04 | resiak | zophyx: So why not use something else? |
| 13:19.10 | tra1a1a | so do you, but we don't mind |
| 13:19.11 | mooded | lol... |
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| 13:19.43 | jim | !start a zophyx war |
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| 13:19.53 | caphuso | and surely installing the correct xprt is out of question... |
| 13:19.59 | tra1a1a | !irritate zophyx |
| 13:20.00 | dpkg | zophyx: wenas where cn I get w4arez 4 debina lol ????? |
| 13:20.20 | jim | Hey, that Debina chick is kinda cute, ayy? |
| 13:20.30 | masoft | elirips, of course ! but it's cool if you have both ... compiling from source for other distros like Gentoo, Slackware, ... |
| 13:20.30 | zophyx | caphuso: debian needs to install the correct xprt |
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| 13:20.58 | tra1a1a | zophyx: right, it also has to find you a girlfriend |
| 13:21.11 | caphuso | zophyx: it would, if you hadn't refused to use Recommends: and Suggests: |
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| 13:21.43 | prahal | zophyx: sid user ? |
| 13:21.47 | zophyx | it also might help if xprt was running |
| 13:21.57 | jim | caphuso: wouldn't it have upgraded, if the wrong/out-of-date one was installed? |
| 13:22.00 | zophyx | prahal: gadzooks no |
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| 13:22.27 | jethro | resiak: I bet it's debuntu |
| 13:22.35 | resiak | jethro: Sssh, don't give the game away! |
| 13:22.39 | masoft | zophyx, xprt is not a good print server :-& |
| 13:22.39 | tra1a1a | :) |
| 13:22.40 | jim | deboppix? |
| 13:22.41 | jethro | :) |
| 13:22.43 | caphuso | jim: maybe |
| 13:22.44 | tra1a1a | or desuse |
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| 13:22.49 | zophyx | eeeeek |
| 13:22.49 | zophyx | i'm a purist |
| 13:22.58 | jim | debeeeek! |
| 13:22.58 | elirips | masoft: uuh, i'm busy enough trying to learn how debian works.. no time for other distros |
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| 13:22.58 | jethro | so you use kanotix? |
| 13:23.23 | prahal | zophyx: ok just to know . Debian sometimes sucks that s why there is the Great (tm) BTS |
| 13:23.29 | jim | zophyx: cat /etc/debian_version |
| 13:23.50 | zophyx | i upgrade sarge everyday |
| 13:24.05 | jim | well, that's more stable than sid... |
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| 13:24.17 | jim | was xprt installed? |
| 13:24.23 | tra1a1a | or less unstable |
| 13:24.27 | zophyx | no |
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| 13:24.39 | resiak | So ... what's wrong with just installing it? |
| 13:24.48 | zophyx | maybe |
| 13:24.48 | zophyx | it's not running |
| 13:24.57 | masoft | elirips, oh ! my mean wasn't try it on other distros ... just make it possible for persons to compile from source by ./conf&&make :P it could make it Distro independent |
| 13:24.58 | jim | ok, so there was your problem, and firefox misstated it |
| 13:25.03 | zophyx | what should i set my default printer resolution at ? |
| 13:25.12 | greycat | what's wrong with finding out the correct answers to the questions instead of guessing? |
| 13:25.13 | resiak | !htfswk |
| 13:25.13 | dpkg | How The Fuck Should We Know? |
| 13:25.14 | zophyx | firefox totally sucks |
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| 13:25.19 | jim | the resolution of your default printer? |
| 13:25.22 | resiak | zophyx: Then use something else, damnit. |
| 13:25.22 | greycat | zophyx: so use something else. |
| 13:25.27 | zophyx | firefaux |
| 13:25.37 | masoft | zophyx, if you have a problem with firefox, just delete it :D |
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| 13:25.43 | tra1a1a | 1 dpi |
| 13:25.46 | prahal | zophyx: well it is the best on windows ... there are better alternative on linux |
| 13:25.52 | jim | isn't that pronounced "firefoo"? |
| 13:26.08 | mooded | thought so too |
| 13:26.10 | greycat | faux is pronounced "foe", isn't it? |
| 13:26.11 | EricBlade | hmm. my root drive sometime in th emiddle of the night decided it was read only, and fsck results in 'unable to read superblock' if i reboot to attempt to fsck while it's not running, am i likely hosed? |
| 13:26.16 | zophyx | jim: yes |
| 13:26.16 | zophyx | i think i'll use 1200 dpi |
| 13:26.21 | elirips | masoft: ah, okay, i see :) |
| 13:26.26 | zophyx | faux is french for false |
| 13:26.43 | jm_ | EricBlade: or you could try using alternative superblock to repair things, but first run badblocks |
| 13:26.53 | tra1a1a | the question is who gives a shit |
| 13:27.01 | jethro | nobody gives a rat butt |
| 13:27.02 | jim | so in the US and possibly elsewhere, the pronounciation would be mistakenly the same |
| 13:27.03 | jm_ | don't run fsck if it has bad sectors, just mount it with alternative SB to get data from it |
| 13:27.15 | EricBlade | er.. badblocks? |
| 13:27.21 | jm_ | yes, badblocks |
| 13:27.24 | EricBlade | don't have that |
| 13:27.26 | zophyx | it's a play on on both the definition and the appearance of the word |
| 13:27.34 | resiak | !installit |
| 13:27.34 | dpkg | *** NEWS FLASH! Your box does not come with every app, tool and utility known to debiankind installed already. If you find that the program you've been told to use isn't there, install it. Also ask me about <search>. |
| 13:27.49 | jm_ | uhm it's in e2fsprogs |
| 13:27.50 | prahal | EricBlade: fs changes to read only when the kernel detect severe errors . Most of the time it means your dirve is dying (you can test it with "badblocks") |
| 13:28.17 | EricBlade | right right.. i've had it happen once before, like a year ago.. just can't remember if i was able to fsck it while live or not |
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| 13:28.37 | jm_ | be very careful with fsck ... |
| 13:28.48 | prahal | EricBlade: you can fsck on a live system ... though is it the best way to break it |
| 13:29.02 | jim | EricBlade: maybe you should get a new drive... within minutes of now :) |
| 13:29.07 | masoft | how can I install irssi in debian ? |
| 13:29.10 | EricBlade | alright.. well.. i'm gonna backup my important stuff |
| 13:29.16 | jethro | !hdii irssi |
| 13:29.17 | tra1a1a | prahal: common! there must be better ways! |
| 13:29.18 | dpkg | How Do I Install irssi ? try apt-cache search irssi, then apt-get install the appropriate package(s). Better yet, man apt-cache and man apt-get |
| 13:29.24 | EricBlade | and then tell it to reboot, i guess |
| 13:29.24 | darkness1 | apt-get irssi-text i think. |
| 13:29.33 | prahal | tra1a1a: ? |
| 13:29.43 | tra1a1a | to break you fs |
| 13:29.49 | masoft | darkness1, there isn't a gui for irssi ? |
| 13:29.58 | Xenguy | masoft: apt-get install irssi-text |
| 13:30.02 | EricBlade | /sbin/badblocks: No such file or directory while trying to determine device size |
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| 13:30.08 | greycat | masoft: not any more. |
| 13:30.09 | jethro | masoft: /msg dpkg hdii irssi |
| 13:30.12 | Xenguy | masoft: yes there is a GUI AFAIK |
| 13:30.32 | greycat | Xenguy: there *was*. |
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| 13:30.42 | MobyTurbo | masoft: irssi's GUI is of very low quality - you don't want it. Run irssi-text in an xterm instead. |
| 13:30.42 | jim | why did it go away |
| 13:30.45 | darkness1 | Yeah there is. Hey i answered a debian question correctly :-) |
| 13:31.08 | prahal | tra1a1a: nope even a hammer takes more time to break the thing (you can try to burn it or put it in your bath ... maybe it helps) |
| 13:31.09 | tra1a1a | greycat: but then you killed it? common, don't make us all use the console! |
| 13:31.12 | peterS | darkness1: you forgot the word 'install' in 'apt-get install irssi-text' |
| 13:31.19 | jethro | darkness1: you missed an install in your answer :) |
| 13:31.21 | darkness1 | Damn |
| 13:31.24 | jethro | peterS: heh |
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| 13:31.30 | zophyx | well, thanks to the great help from the debian channel i was able tp print out my new meth recipe, but i raan out of paper before it got the part about filtering out all of the battery acid |
| 13:31.38 | peterS | jethro: he also should have recommended 'aptitude install' but whatever (: |
| 13:31.43 | darkness1 | I assumed that was as read though. |
| 13:31.50 | jethro | peterS: I d rather not recommend the use of aptitude |
| 13:32.02 | zophyx | those college kids can take a few bad hits, they are young |
| 13:32.07 | tra1a1a | zophyx: please, let us know if you run out of toilet paper as well! |
| 13:32.08 | jethro | peterS: I ve had amusing issues with it, so I styopped using it :) |
| 13:33.08 | masoft | oops ... for irssi I must use commands ? 8-| |
| 13:33.23 | jethro | what does this mean? |
| 13:33.35 | jim | masoft: for irc you must use commands. |
| 13:33.46 | jethro | masoft: you want a click and behave IRC client? |
| 13:33.52 | tk3000 | hello, I just a downloaded solaris10. I was trying to concatenated the files (to form a dvd iso image), but the resulting file is too big for my file system (ext2 and vfat), and I am not able to create another fs (reiserfs, etc) by now. I am trying to pipe the result of the concatenation to growisofs, but it not working. Any enlightment, please? |
| 13:34.01 | masoft | jim, there are some guis that help ... like xchat |
| 13:34.10 | masoft | jethro, yes |
| 13:34.13 | jethro | tk3000: solaris 10 has nothing to do with debian has it? |
| 13:34.18 | darkness1 | For a click and behave like irc client ksirc is okay. |
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| 13:34.26 | bbrazil | tk3000: don't post questions in two channels |
| 13:34.28 | jethro | masoft: apt-gert install xchat then, or any othre IRC clietn for X |
| 13:34.29 | jim | tk3000: and you have its license too? |
| 13:34.35 | jethro | jim: it's free now |
| 13:34.40 | jim | oh, it is? |
| 13:34.44 | zophyx | jethro: he might be using debian to accomplish the task |
| 13:34.45 | jethro | as in free beer iirc |
| 13:34.47 | tra1a1a | jethro: actually it has, and we are about to learn exactly what from tk3000 shortly |
| 13:35.06 | jethro | zophyx: he didn't make it obvious, if so |
| 13:35.14 | zophyx | jethro: debiab can actually do things can't it ? |
| 13:35.16 | tk3000 | no, but growisofs do have, it is part of gnu package |
| 13:35.19 | jim | why? is he going to flood the files on the channel? :) |
| 13:35.30 | tk3000 | bbrazil |
| 13:35.36 | jethro | zophyx: what is your point in life? |
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| 13:35.38 | greycat | what the FUCK? |
| 13:35.46 | EricBlade | ouch my eyes |
| 13:35.46 | tk3000 | jim: there is no need for a licence, not a paid one |
| 13:36.06 | jim | so I'm understanding |
| 13:36.10 | tk3000 | jim: it is free now, the licence is a variation of the gpl |
| 13:36.13 | jethro | tk3000: read the debian channel guidelines, and consider asking again or not |
| 13:36.17 | tra1a1a | !tell tk3000 about smart questions |
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| 13:36.43 | greycat | tk3000: openbsd, freebsd, netbsd, freeDOS, solaris 10, etc. are NOT DEBIAN and are NOT ON TOPIC HERE. |
| 13:36.47 | matt___ | How can I get the guidelines? |
| 13:36.51 | greycat | tk3000: the license doesn't make it Debian. |
| 13:36.58 | tra1a1a | mattboll: /topic |
| 13:37.03 | tra1a1a | matt___: /topic |
| 13:37.23 | resiak | greycat: But would a question like "I'm trying to concatenate files to form a DVD .iso, but the resulting file is too big for my fs... etc etc" be on-topic? |
| 13:37.45 | tra1a1a | no |
| 13:37.45 | greycat | resiak: we'd tell him to upgrade to sarge and use an ext3 file system. |
| 13:37.46 | jim | tk3000: do the docs say the files you downloaded are to be pieced together to form one image? |
| 13:37.54 | greycat | 09:37 <- notice[resiak] I'm sorry, but I'm away (Workworkwork.) |
| 13:39.00 | resiak | greycat: *nods* Sorry. |
| 13:39.36 | tk3000 | greycat: i am not talking about the internals of solaris |
| 13:39.57 | masoft | what is the package name that contains programming commands man pages ? |
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| 13:40.07 | eye69 | masoft: manpages-dev |
| 13:40.08 | greycat | masoft: manpages-dev |
| 13:40.09 | tk3000 | greycat: i am talking about concatenating a bunch of files and pipe them direct to growisofs |
| 13:40.16 | tra1a1a | tk3000: you're not talking about debian either |
| 13:40.25 | greycat | tk3000: does it work on Debian? |
| 13:40.26 | tk3000 | greycat: it just happen that such files a part of which is known as solaris |
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| 13:40.42 | jim | tk3000: do the docs say the files you downloaded are to be pieced together to form one image? |
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| 13:40.50 | greycat | tk3000: when you run it on sarge or woody, what error do you get? |
| 13:41.12 | EricBlade | well, i just rebooted that machine. *prays it comes back up* |
| 13:41.13 | tra1a1a | greycat: is sid unsupported here? |
| 13:41.21 | greycat | !sid faq |
| 13:41.21 | dpkg | it has been said that sid faq is http://wooledge.org/~greg/sidfaq.html |
| 13:41.49 | tra1a1a | ok, that's a sid faq. how it is related to #debian? |
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| 13:42.00 | tk3000 | tralala: i tend to think that growisofs is part of the gnu project, and by the way debian is gnu debian |
| 13:42.05 | jim | tra1a1a: would be reasonable to not support sid, since new stuff comes out daily which makes it hard to keep up with |
| 13:42.27 | jim | tk3000: do the docs say the files you downloaded are to be pieced together to form one image? |
| 13:42.36 | jim | if NOT, why not just burn cds? |
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| 13:42.51 | zophyx | plz don't paste the iso |
| 13:42.51 | zophyx | i have sol 10 on my laptop |
| 13:42.56 | ac3 | hi |
| 13:42.58 | zophyx | tk3000: how big is the dvd image ? |
| 13:43.01 | tra1a1a | jim: that's a valid point, but does it really mean that it should not be supported here? |
| 13:43.02 | zophyx | i don't care if it ever works, i just think the process is interesting |
| 13:43.08 | zophyx | the patient can die, but the operation can still be a success |
| 13:43.10 | greycat | tra1a1a: /msg dpkg sid faq |
| 13:43.18 | zophyx | tk3000: can you tell me how big the dvd image is ? |
| 13:43.20 | jim | tra1a1a: my point is, how can it be? |
| 13:43.20 | tk3000 | greycat: actually a bunch of files that constitute a dvd once concatenated and transformed into iso to be burned on dvd disk |
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| 13:43.26 | zophyx | what is the largest file size that the 2.6 kernel will handle ? |
| 13:43.33 | greycat | zophyx: file system specific. |
| 13:43.36 | tra1a1a | greycat: ok, I've got the point and I'm reading it now |
| 13:43.36 | zophyx | is there linux software that will use a dvd as a big floppy drive ? :)) |
| 13:43.37 | tk3000 | it is more than 3 gigs |
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| 13:43.47 | trygvebw | Hi |
| 13:43.48 | tk3000 | zophys: it more than 3 gigabytes |
| 13:43.52 | trygvebw | Which 2.6 kernel is in Sarge? |
| 13:43.57 | ac3 | I just installed openldap (slapd) on a debian sarge machine. How come the default config is aufully slow? |
| 13:44.01 | fLy_ | 2.6.8 |
| 13:44.02 | greycat | tk3000: unless you're on a file system that only supports 2 GB files. |
| 13:44.07 | trygvebw | fLy_, ok |
| 13:44.08 | fLy_ | 2.6.11 is in unstable |
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| 13:44.13 | greycat | trygvebw: a very *patched* 2.6.8. |
| 13:44.23 | fLy_ | what he said ^_^ |
| 13:44.37 | tk3000 | jim: yeah, but they don't talk about the limitation of some primitive fs, 2 gigs max. file size for instance |
| 13:44.38 | jethro | ac3: because you need to configure things yourself and can't rely on defaults |
| 13:44.46 | tra1a1a | jim: it's not always broken and banning sid questions only because it breaks sometimes... |
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| 13:45.06 | EricBlade | i'll be back later, screaming, if it doesn't work. *zzzzzzzzzzZ* |
| 13:45.20 | ac3 | jethro: no, there is something wrong |
| 13:45.40 | jethro | ac3: what is it? |
| 13:45.51 | tk3000 | greycat: it happens that the machine with a dvd burner has one ext2, vfat and ntfs. only ntfs could be used, but i can't write on ntfs |
| 13:45.54 | ac3 | i´m using slapd on a redhat machine and it is fast as hell with 60000 entries |
| 13:46.02 | jim | tra1a1a: just because it (or some part of it) is not broken doesn't mean it's well-known |
| 13:46.08 | ac3 | here there is only 1 entry: cn=admin |
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| 13:46.26 | tra1a1a | ok, whatever |
| 13:46.29 | jethro | ac3: I m using slapd on debian systems and it's fast as hell for 4000 client systems, and 8000 accounts stored in |
| 13:46.38 | greycat | tk3000: which Debian kernel is that machine running, and what's wrong with the ext2 file system implementation in it? |
| 13:47.03 | ac3 | jethro: stable or testing? |
| 13:47.15 | tk3000 | zophyx: sorry, it is approx. 3 gigabytes |
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| 13:47.27 | jethro | ac3: testing and I did tests with unstable as well, which were equivalent in terms of speed |
| 13:47.34 | ac3 | strange |
| 13:47.40 | jim | tra1a1a: I dunno about -banning- outright, but people should be encouraged to talk on the BTS and similar places |
| 13:47.57 | daffy-pkf | lo |
| 13:48.03 | jim | med |
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| 13:48.10 | tk3000 | greycat: the maximum size of a file object that passive of be stored on a ext2 is something like 2 gigabytes |
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| 13:48.15 | ac3 | i just did a default install, and the apt-get install slapd (and upgrade all packages to the latest) |
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| 13:48.31 | greycat | tk3000: then you know where your problem is. Have fun. |
| 13:48.35 | yaccobb | !help |
| 13:48.35 | tra1a1a | jim: by banning I don't mean /ban. I mean /ignore sid_question |
| 13:48.41 | ac3 | the i start slapd (with the default config) and connecting is so slow |
| 13:48.45 | tra1a1a | anyway I got the point - sid is not supported |
| 13:48.45 | jim | that's what I mean too |
| 13:48.47 | greycat | tk3000: (why the fuck are you asking US to fix a problem *you* have already solved?) |
| 13:48.52 | jethro | ac3: can it be a resolving issue? |
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| 13:49.05 | ac3 | what do you mean? |
| 13:49.11 | greycat | name resolution. |
| 13:49.17 | ac3 | ah:) |
| 13:49.23 | greycat | !tell Huahua about away |
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| 13:49.25 | jim | tra1a1a: why, are you running sid? |
| 13:49.25 | ac3 | could be |
| 13:49.29 | jethro | yeah sorry if I didn't pick the right words |
| 13:49.32 | ac3 | i´ll check |
| 13:49.37 | tk3000 | greycat: it not about the problem, it is about the solution |
| 13:49.39 | greycat | jethro: close enough for most of us. |
| 13:49.45 | greycat | tk3000: and the solution is...? |
| 13:50.03 | caphuso | upgrading from a 2.2 to at least a 2.4 kernel |
| 13:50.09 | tra1a1a | jim: I was. I have upgraded to sarge since but I suspect I still have some sid packages left |
| 13:50.14 | jethro | tk3000: you know you can't make files bigger than 2G, then move on to another filesystem which supports it |
| 13:50.22 | caphuso | jethro: it's not the filesystem |
| 13:50.33 | tk3000 | greycat: actually it is very simple |
| 13:50.34 | greycat | caphuso: it's the file system + the kernel. |
| 13:50.37 | jim | maybe you should throw out your question... |
| 13:50.45 | caphuso | ext2 can handle files much larger than 2gb. it's the VFS layer of the 2.2 kernel that limits it |
| 13:50.47 | jethro | caphuso: what is it then? |
| 13:50.49 | jim | i.e., go ahead and ask |
| 13:50.53 | jethro | ah ok I didn't know that |
| 13:50.54 | tk3000 | greycat: you don't have to know assembly to concoct the solution |
| 13:50.57 | *** mode/#debian [+o greycat] by ChanServ |
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| 13:51.08 | caphuso | therefor upgrading to 2.4 is the proper (and only) solution |
| 13:51.15 | *** kick/#debian [tk3000!rfc1413@wooledge.org] by greycat (Tired of your off topic trolling and bullshit.) |
| 13:51.19 | *** mode/#debian [-o greycat] by greycat |
| 13:51.22 | jethro | hah |
| 13:51.29 | juanmals | Does anybody know how to add a translation web in the reddo internet translator? |
| 13:51.32 | tra1a1a | jim: me? |
| 13:51.38 | jethro | hopefully he got the answer by caphuso |
| 13:51.45 | jim | yeah... |
| 13:51.50 | greycat | jethro: he's NOT EVEN RUNNING DEBIAN. He's a fucking Solaris 10 troll. |
| 13:52.03 | Yatesy | yuck solaris |
| 13:52.12 | tra1a1a | jim: why do you think I have a question? |
| 13:52.12 | greycat | jethro: did you notice that OVER and OVER and OVER he refused to say what kernel he's running? |
| 13:52.13 | jethro | greycat: did he admit that? |
| 13:52.18 | juanmals | Can someone help me adding a server in reddo? |
| 13:52.26 | jethro | greycat: not really, I was kinda busy at the same time |
| 13:52.29 | tarzeau | juanmals: /msg dpkg repeat |
| 13:52.36 | jethro | greycat: but I trust your foreseeing skills |
| 13:52.39 | jethro | ;) |
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| 13:53.00 | greycat | jethro: even if he's not running solaris 10 yet, he *still* refused to identify his kernel version. So we can't help him. If he's not running solaris 10 yet, he's probably on slackware. |
| 13:53.13 | jim | tra1a1a: because you asked about sid support and seemed disappointed when I said that I didn't think it was possible to suupport it |
| 13:53.15 | jethro | do some people actually have fun joining #debian and being endles trolls? is it really common? |
| 13:53.28 | tarzeau | jethro: yes |
| 13:53.31 | jim | reddo? |
| 13:53.31 | greycat | All he actually would confess was that his system had an ext2 file system, a vfat, and an ntfs. |
| 13:53.36 | jethro | they must be really bored.. |
| 13:53.58 | tra1a1a | jim: nah, I was asking just out of curiosity because I've seen greycat asking if someone was running woody or sarge |
| 13:54.14 | jim | oic |
| 13:54.21 | greycat | tra1a1a: that was one of my MANY attempts to get that fucking tk3000 troll to tell us what he was running. They all failed. |
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| 13:54.31 | ac3 | how can i disable name resolution in ldap? |
| 13:54.54 | tra1a1a | greycat: yeah, I kept an eye on them (the attempts) |
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| 13:55.47 | zophyx | ok, i purge xprt, but when i reinstall it i don't get the screen that asks about the printer resolution |
| 13:55.48 | tra1a1a | but is sid really that bad (as the faq says)? I mean I was running it for maybe 6 months (if not more) without any problems |
| 13:56.07 | greycat | !break |
| 13:56.07 | dpkg | "This release is currently considered ``unstable''. That means that things *will* break if you run it." (quote from old page http://www.debian.org/releases/woody/), or see ben break, or http://bugs.debian.org/155873 |
| 13:56.18 | jethro | ac3: /j #ldap , they know better about openldap there, for sure |
| 13:56.41 | jethro | tra1a1a: problems occur at random |
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| 13:57.07 | setuid | How can I find out details (maintainer email, description, etc.) of a package not-yet-installed? |
| 13:57.11 | jethro | tra1a1a: even though sid has been rather reliable for th elast months, you can't expect it not to break everything |
| 13:57.23 | bbrazil | setuid: apt-cache show blah |
| 13:57.42 | jethro | or the lg-issue bug which was nice too |
| 13:57.57 | tra1a1a | greycat: Woooow! (155873) |
| 13:58.04 | tra1a1a | I'm a believer now! |
| 13:58.45 | jethro | tra1a1a: see? :) |
| 13:58.49 | ac3 | jethro: could you send me your sanitized slapd.conf? |
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| 13:59.05 | tra1a1a | yeah! o_O <scared> |
| 13:59.11 | setuid | bbrazil: thanks |
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| 13:59.46 | jethro | ac3: would take a while to sanitize, so you'd rather join #ldap and ask there how you can fix your problem |
| 13:59.57 | jethro | ac3: another hint would be to read openldap's faq-o-matiq |
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| 14:02.52 | yaccobb | um.. can I view readme.gz vithout extracting ? |
| 14:02.55 | greycat | zless |
| 14:03.04 | bob2 | or configure less to do so |
| 14:03.36 | jethro | greycat: <ot> did you see the major improvements on openbsd i386 after the hackaton? there's an article about it on kerneltrap </ot> |
| 14:03.49 | tra1a1a | bob2: wasn't it bash that was configured to do so? |
| 14:03.54 | tunic | how can avoid KDE to monitor my USB pendrive? I can't umount it because kdeinit process has a deleted file opened (as I see with lsof)! |
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| 14:04.08 | bob2 | tra1a1a: well, you set an nevironment variable |
| 14:04.21 | greycat | jethro: no, I haven't seen it yet |
| 14:04.24 | bob2 | tunic: #debian-kde |
| 14:04.26 | bob2 | or kill it |
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| 14:04.33 | greycat | jethro: but I did upgrade to 3.7-release two days ago after my CDs finally arrived. |
| 14:04.34 | jethro | greycat: tehy hacked locore.s and got amazing permormance improvements |
| 14:04.39 | tunic | ok |
| 14:04.43 | jethro | s/tehy/they/ |
| 14:04.58 | jethro | greycat: just look at kerneltrap you'll be amazed :) |
| 14:05.06 | bob2 | they have significant amounts of assembler? |
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| 14:05.38 | yaccobb | that less / zless was answer to me ? |
| 14:05.50 | PeTeRB | yaccobb: yes |
| 14:06.13 | yaccobb | PeTeRB, umm, can you be more extact ? |
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| 14:06.31 | madclicker | ahoy |
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| 14:06.56 | yaccobb | PeTeRB, how can i view *.gz tetx file from terminal ? |
| 14:07.06 | PeTeRB | yaccobb: zless |
| 14:07.12 | resiak | !tell yaccobb -about lesspipe |
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| 14:07.29 | kanzen | Hi all. I just had a look at the faq and it didn't answer my question. Is this the right place to ask questions, or is this a development discussion channel? |
| 14:07.46 | jethro | kanzen: it's a support channel, so just ask |
| 14:07.53 | madclicker | need help with adsl setup (pppoe) with 255.255.255.192 subnet and have proper routing for all wan ip's SOS |
| 14:09.02 | tra1a1a | !tell madclicker about smart questions |
| 14:10.57 | kanzen | I've tried to install sarge with a 2.6 kernel (as well as ubuntu) on a dual opteron system with a large amount of memory (16GB) and run into problems with disk i/o. If I install a 32 bit kernel, things work find until I enable PAE. A 64 bit kernel has problems writing to disk immediately (mke2fs takes forever to complete during the install) |
| 14:11.14 | bob2 | kanzen: you seemed to ignore my suggestion |
| 14:11.30 | kanzen | bob2: I'm sorry I didn't see your question |
| 14:11.33 | bob2 | also, google for your motherboard, lots of opteron motherboards seem to have problem with lots of ram |
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| 14:11.57 | miguens | How can i change hard_server_limit om debian package anyone knows? |
| 14:12.18 | madclicker | I have aadsl (pppoe) connection ppp0-216.126.89.193 and aldo have a subnet of 216.126.89.197/26. How can I use the subnet IP's for my client systems? |
| 14:12.18 | miguens | <PROTECTED> |
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| 14:12.49 | kanzen | ah, bob2. I apologize I had switched to this window and didn't see your question in the other channel. |
| 14:12.52 | xst | How can I find out WHEN a given package has been installed? |
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| 14:13.15 | jethro | xst: you have to use aptitude for that, or another frontend for apt which does some logging |
| 14:13.25 | bbrazil | xst: ls -l /usr/share/doc/packagename/README.* maybe |
| 14:13.52 | tra1a1a | madclicker: you need only to specify routing rules for your subnet and assing the router ip as a default gateway on the pcs in this subnet. check man route |
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| 14:14.32 | tunic | does anybody have been in trouble about umounting usb drives because a filessytem monitor process as fam? |
| 14:14.33 | BehnaM | hi everyone |
| 14:15.23 | yaccobb | resiak, PeTeRB : thanks. |
| 14:15.27 | arjanoosting | tunic: umount -l /dev/... |
| 14:15.37 | PeTeRB | Bah. How could I miss the one year birthday of my Debian install :( |
| 14:15.53 | tunic | arjanoosting, it may corrupt USB pendrive filesystem |
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| 14:16.16 | arjanoosting | tunic: how would it corrupt it? |
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| 14:16.28 | tunic | what I want is avoid monitor process to monitoring my usb drive |
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| 14:16.45 | madclicker | tralala: if i do that, will packets comming from 216.126.89.200 be displayed as comming from 216.126.89.193? |
| 14:16.58 | tra1a1a | tunic: afair, you was redirected to #debian-kde |
| 14:17.08 | tunic | thato options is to force umount, isn't it? |
| 14:17.26 | tra1a1a | madclicker: no, they will only if you use SNAT, which you won't |
| 14:17.36 | BehnaM | how can i update debian sarge from SargeUpdate 20050524 cd |
| 14:17.46 | jethro | YAY |
| 14:17.52 | jethro | I WANT A NOKIA 770! |
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| 14:18.03 | BehnaM | how can i update debian sarge from SargeUpdate 20050524 cd |
| 14:18.06 | greycat | !fuck freenode |
| 14:18.09 | tra1a1a | madclicker: you will find the routing howtos from tldp.org helpful |
| 14:18.20 | arjanoosting | tunic: no umount -l does a lazy umount |
| 14:18.27 | arjanoosting | nothing is forced |
| 14:18.48 | arjanoosting | it just waits until fam stops reading your usb drive |
| 14:19.06 | xst | jethro: How do I find the installation time with aptitude |
| 14:19.13 | tunic | I thought I tried that option and got problems.... |
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| 14:19.15 | BehnaM | how can i update debian sarge from SargeUpdate 20050524 cd |
| 14:19.27 | jethro | xst: you man aptitude, and eventually cd /var/log and use the ls command to spot aptitude logfile(s) |
| 14:19.32 | tunic | in any case I think is a solution for the moment |
| 14:19.42 | kanzen | bob2: regarding the bad memory, it seemed to check out in memtest86. It's also listed on the motherboard manufactur's webpage as compatible |
| 14:19.44 | madclicker | tralala: thank you, one last question. My debian system, beside bringing up the pppoe connection is doing NAT for local network, will this interfear in any way with NAT? |
| 14:19.59 | chealer | BehnaM: what's SargeUpdate 20050524 cd? |
| 14:20.09 | kanzen | bob2: so things _should_ just work out of the box on a large memory system? |
| 14:20.22 | bob2 | kanzen: as an amd64 system, yes |
| 14:20.32 | BehnaM | i downloaded from debian sit |
| 14:20.33 | bob2 | kanzen: but motherboards can be very finicky about how it is arranged |
| 14:20.43 | bob2 | kanzen: also, memtets86 will only test the lowest 4gb |
| 14:20.45 | tunic | i'll use that options for the moment |
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| 14:20.54 | BehnaM | its update same file in debiansarge |
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| 14:21.55 | kanzen | bob2: All slots are full. Should I empty them and try to put them back in a different order? |
| 14:22.07 | bob2 | I don't know |
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| 14:22.07 | chealer | BehnaM: what's your native language BTW? and what file is it that you downloaded? |
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| 14:22.20 | bob2 | gooling for your motherboard would be the best first step |
| 14:22.21 | kanzen | bob2: I tested the memory 4 gb at a time (one stick per cpu). |
| 14:22.32 | moeen | how can I write it safely ? char p_name[10]; scanf("%s",p_name); |
| 14:22.36 | tra1a1a | madclicker: no if you configure it properly |
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| 14:22.38 | mihaly | if I wanto add a PATH just for my root user which file do I write it in? |
| 14:22.50 | jethro | BehnaM comes from molah's land |
| 14:22.53 | Davey|Wo1k | Anybody know of SVN 1.2 packages for Debian? |
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| 14:23.05 | greycat | mihaly: wrong question. |
| 14:23.09 | jethro | Davey|Wo1k: /m dpkg pdo |
| 14:23.16 | Davey|Wo1k | pdo? |
| 14:23.21 | greycat | you do not want to log in as root. therefore you do not CARE what a root login's PATH would be set to. |
| 14:23.25 | BehnaM | yes i come from molah's land |
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| 14:23.33 | madclicker | tralala: thank you, my first direction was to setup a bridge between ppp0 and WAN interface. |
| 14:23.34 | moeen | BehnaM, could I ask your family name ? |
| 14:23.39 | Davey|Wo1k | jethro: sorry, that makes absolutely no sense, care to elaborate? |
| 14:23.41 | BehnaM | Zare |
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| 14:24.01 | mihaly | so normal users should have the path to Sun Java Enterprice appplication server? |
| 14:24.04 | BehnaM | moeen you are persian |
| 14:24.04 | jethro | Davey|Wo1k: type in your IRC client the following letters and caracters (without double quotes) "/msg dpkg pdo" |
| 14:24.14 | moeen | BehnaM, yes |
| 14:24.35 | jethro | Davey|Work: and look at what dpkg replies |
| 14:24.37 | kanzen | bob2: I've tried googling. Either no one has run into the same issue or my 2 systems have some unique hardware problem or I'm not searching for the right thing. You have verified that things should just be working, so I will continue to google. Thanks for your help (and sorry for ignoring you in the other channe :) ) |
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| 14:24.41 | jethro | Davey|Work: then act accordingly |
| 14:24.46 | tra1a1a | madclicker: you could bridge it, but my limited knowledge in bridging tells me it's a difficult thing with limited benefits |
| 14:24.55 | Davey|Work | jethro: OK :) |
| 14:25.02 | jethro | Davey|Work: does it make more sense now, or do I need to elaborate more than this? |
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| 14:25.17 | tunic | ok, I got it, it was konqueror, it was preloaded by kdeinit |
| 14:25.44 | Davey|Work | jethro: well, /m isn't a command ;) |
| 14:25.48 | bob2 | kanzen: I've seen a number of reports (tho, of course, the people who get it to work don't post) of boards that puke with large maounts of memory, so it's worht looking into |
| 14:25.51 | jethro | Davey|Work: depends on IRC clients |
| 14:26.02 | Davey|Work | not after a nick |
| 14:26.02 | jethro | Davey|Work: and it'rs often a shortcut for /msg |
| 14:26.16 | jethro | Davey|Work: it's supopsed to be used to address someone, so not after a nick |
| 14:26.21 | Davey|Work | oh, nevermind, you're telling me to message the damn bot, lol |
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| 14:26.29 | jethro | Davey|Work: yes, you got the point |
| 14:26.41 | Davey|Work | sorry, I was like "THats not going to work in bash..." |
| 14:26.42 | mihaly | What should I do then? Add the path for the application server for normal users? |
| 14:26.47 | jethro | Davey|Work: sheesh |
| 14:26.54 | madclicker | tralala: the reason why i was thinking so is before the pppoe connection I had a socket TCP/IP connection with an ALCATEL bridge modem, so I had no ppp0 interface, just a regular subnet, so I coluld assign IP as I whished. |
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| 14:27.32 | lordlamer | if i want mount bsd partition and slices. which module do i need in kernel? |
| 14:27.40 | lordlamer | fs for ufs? |
| 14:27.44 | jethro | lordlamer: yes |
| 14:27.55 | bob2 | it's not a module |
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| 14:28.40 | jethro | try, it's not a module |
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| 14:28.43 | jethro | rue even |
| 14:28.45 | jethro | damn I can't type |
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| 14:30.24 | Gothfunc- | my laptop's soundcard only runs at 22khz. is it possible that it's a limitation of the configuration, or is it more likely a hardware limitation? |
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| 14:34.42 | tra1a1a | !tell Gothfunc- about smart questions |
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| 14:35.32 | paulswm | !qotd114 |
| 14:35.32 | dpkg | extra, extra, read all about it, qotd114 is <troubl1> how do i know if a desktop install with my install of debian ??? <abrotman> troubl1: what is your native language? <troubl1> its supposed to be english lol |
| 14:35.49 | toresbe | hahah |
| 14:35.52 | CrAzYWolF | whats the command in apt to know if a PKG exits |
| 14:35.54 | paulswm | :D |
| 14:35.58 | Gothfunc- | tra1a1a: which part of the question are you having trouble with? |
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| 14:36.46 | bob2 | CrAzYWolF: apt-cache show blah |
| 14:36.50 | greycat | CrAzYWolF: man apt-cache, man apt-get |
| 14:37.00 | greycat | !faq CrAzYWolF |
| 14:37.01 | dpkg | CrAzYWolF: http://www.linuks.mine.nu/debian-faq-wiki/ |
| 14:37.01 | CrAzYWolF | thank |
| 14:37.01 | paulswm | CrAzYWolF: apt-cache search to look for packages |
| 14:37.25 | resiak | paulswm: That's _fantastic_. |
| 14:37.41 | paulswm | resiak: ? |
| 14:37.42 | tarzeau | !nickometer CrAzYWolF |
| 14:37.42 | dpkg | 'CrAzYWolF' is 99.9088% lame, tarzeau |
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| 14:37.53 | paulswm | !botsnack |
| 14:37.53 | dpkg | aw, gee, paulswm |
| 14:38.04 | CrAzYWolF | O_o whats that lame thing? |
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| 14:38.30 | rasberry | I am having trouble reclaiming ram on my debian box running in SMP mode. any thoughts? |
| 14:38.41 | tarzeau | rasberry: what kernel? |
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| 14:38.56 | rasberry | 2.4.18 |
| 14:38.59 | resiak | paulswm: That qotd. |
| 14:39.02 | tarzeau | rasberry: what arch? |
| 14:39.12 | paulswm | resiak: Oh, yes, it is a good one :) |
| 14:39.21 | rasberry | i386 |
| 14:39.32 | tra1a1a | Gothfunc- : the one that tells the laptop model, the soundcard model, the kernel module parameters, etc |
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| 14:39.36 | tarzeau | rasberry: what cpu? |
| 14:39.42 | Chameleon22 | i am trying to mount my ipod on linux (mount -w -t hfsplus /dev/sda3 /media/mp3player/) and do -rm -rf on it so i can run gnupod scripts however it tells me that mounted fs is read only, is there any way i can delete the files on there ? |
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| 14:40.05 | greycat | Chameleon22: what kernel? does that kernel support rw hfs+ file systems? |
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| 14:40.18 | tra1a1a | Gothfunc-: btw pointing you to the smart questions is not meant to be an insult but to be help |
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| 14:40.45 | solemnwarning | !kernal |
| 14:40.45 | dpkg | *KERNEL* *KERNEL* *KERNEL* |
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| 14:40.50 | Chameleon22 | greycat: yeah, gnupod used to work fine so guess ye |
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| 14:41.13 | amorphovs | Hey all, hoping someone can help me. I was on the channel yesterday looking for help with my cdrom drive. I recently upgraded to kernel 2.6 and it refuses to recognize the drive. 2.4 can mount it fine, but in 2.6 I can't mount it, nor does it show up in dmesg. Someone here worked with me on building the kernel from scratch to support it and it STILL doesn't work. |
| 14:41.16 | rasberry | dell poweredge |
| 14:41.31 | rasberry | pentium pro |
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| 14:42.26 | jetscreamer | amorphovs: see if you have a /media/cdrom0, and/or compare your fstab entry to the dir structure |
| 14:43.45 | greycat | Chameleon22: what changed? |
| 14:43.49 | rasberry | Intel(R) Pentium(R) III CPU family |
| 14:44.01 | Gud | communists |
| 14:44.13 | Chameleon22 | greycat: disconnected wile copying songs |
| 14:44.25 | PeTeRB | Gud: Not you again. |
| 14:44.30 | Gud | :@ |
| 14:44.36 | matt___ | Does the Debian Weekly news some times release late? |
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| 14:45.05 | amorphovs | jetscreamer: it gives me the same error as it does if i do /dev/cdrom or /dev/hdc or whatever; it says its not a valid block device. since the drive doesnt even show up in my dmesg i think its not being recongnized at all./ |
| 14:45.12 | thingfish | matt___: it kind of seems so, I think we're still waiting on last week's. |
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| 14:45.39 | thingfish | well, maybe not, there's a 17th |
| 14:45.45 | PeTeRB | And 25th ;) |
| 14:45.55 | matt___ | You see a 25th? |
| 14:45.55 | PeTeRB | No wait. |
| 14:45.59 | PeTeRB | May 25th that is |
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| 14:46.08 | PeTeRB | http://www.debian.org/News/weekly/current/issue/ |
| 14:46.13 | matt___ | I don't the 25th :-( |
| 14:46.17 | jetscreamer | amorphovs: see if you have a /media/cdrom0, and/or compare your fstab entry to the dir structure. that means check. |
| 14:46.22 | thingfish | I don't see the 25th either. |
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| 14:46.41 | matt___ | That's weired :-| are you using a mirror? |
| 14:46.45 | thingfish | nope |
| 14:46.50 | PeTeRB | Don't think so |
| 14:46.55 | PeTeRB | Refresh maybe? |
| 14:46.55 | jetscreamer | amorphovs: discover has a problem managing mount points, and i'm trying to see if that's the case here. |
| 14:47.14 | amorphovs | jetscreamer: i have /media/cdrom0, what should i check in fstab? |
| 14:47.16 | matt___ | PeteRB: Can you post the link? |
| 14:47.25 | PeTeRB | http://www.debian.org/News/weekly/current/issue/ |
| 14:47.29 | jetscreamer | if the line for the cdrom matches |
| 14:47.31 | thingfish | refreshed, still no 25th. http://www.debian.org/News/weekly/ |
| 14:47.56 | matt___ | http://www.nl.debian.org/News/weekly/2005/21/ |
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| 14:48.16 | matt___ | Cool! just guess the URL and this popped up! |
| 14:48.24 | PeTeRB | Heh |
| 14:48.24 | Gud | greycat: :@ |
| 14:48.29 | Gud | PeTeRB: :2 |
| 14:48.29 | Gud | oops |
| 14:48.31 | Gud | damn |
| 14:48.43 | Gud | :( |
| 14:48.55 | amorphovs | jetscreamer: /dev/hdc /media/cdrom0 iso9660 ro,user,noauto 0 0 |
| 14:49.06 | amorphovs | jetscreamer: that works fine in 2.4 |
| 14:49.10 | jetscreamer | amorphovs: chown /dev/hdc root:cdrom might help, might not. ls -lA /dev/hdc |
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| 14:49.33 | Tak | (chown root.cdrom /dev/hdc) |
| 14:49.34 | jetscreamer | it may be set to disk. also, you are in the cdrom group i guess. |
| 14:49.57 | jetscreamer | Tak: here, : works, all i know |
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| 14:50.27 | Tak | also have to put the owner before the file being chowned |
| 14:50.47 | jetscreamer | oh yeah duh |
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| 14:50.55 | jetscreamer | i fuxored it |
| 14:50.58 | Tak | hehe |
| 14:51.04 | jetscreamer | chown root:cdrom /dev/hdc |
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| 14:51.07 | jetscreamer | or . |
| 14:51.08 | matt___ | Can anyone recommend a perl based blog dpkg? |
| 14:51.10 | Tak | fuxor is so close to fixor... |
| 14:51.13 | amorphovs | chown didnt do anything. ls -lA /dev/hdc output : brw-rw---- 1 root cdrom 22, 0 2005-02-26 01:38 /dev/hdc |
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| 14:51.39 | gtigene | What is a good mail user agent that is not too hard to configure? |
| 14:51.50 | jim | mail |
| 14:51.51 | amorphovs | gtigene: pine |
| 14:51.53 | shingouz | gtigene: cli? gui? |
| 14:52.10 | jetscreamer | k. other thing is check your symlinks, ls -lA /dev/cdr*, see if they point in the right direction. but they probably do. i've shot my wad, all i know. |
| 14:52.13 | essobi_ | Hey umm.. I got this dell 1850, and I can't get my e1000 to take the duplex parmameters from /etc/modules.conf... anyone got an idea why? |
| 14:52.14 | gtigene | shingouz: command line interface |
| 14:52.24 | matt___ | mutt |
| 14:52.24 | essobi_ | I can get it to take parameters manually |
| 14:52.25 | Tak | pine |
| 14:52.25 | jetscreamer | time to go to work :( |
| 14:52.29 | essobi_ | with insmod |
| 14:52.29 | shingouz | gtigene: i like mutt but.. well :) |
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| 14:52.35 | amorphovs | jetscreamer: yeah i tried that already, but thanks for the help |
| 14:52.46 | matt___ | mutt+offlineimap=rock on baby |
| 14:52.47 | jim | essobi_: you installed a different kernel? |
| 14:52.54 | Tak | amorphovs - what's the issue? |
| 14:53.07 | essobi_ | jim Nope |
| 14:53.14 | jethro | so long, and thanks for all the passwords! |
| 14:53.19 | gtigene | shingouz: I installed mutt and tried to run it but it said there was a malformed macro in the autogenerated file. I read the man page but could not figure it out. |
| 14:53.20 | essobi_ | oh well. I did an apt-get kernel |
| 14:53.25 | essobi_ | but it's got the modules |
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| 14:53.30 | essobi_ | I'm looking right at them |
| 14:53.32 | amorphovs | tak: I recently upgraded to kernel 2.6 and it refuses to recognize the drive. 2.4 can mount it fine, but in 2.6 I can't mount it, nor does it show up in dmesg. Someone here worked with me on building the kernel from scratch to support it and it still doesn't work. |
| 14:53.32 | carlos_ | #devian_es |
| 14:53.34 | essobi_ | and I can insmod them |
| 14:53.40 | jim | jethro: heyy, forgot to give you mine! |
| 14:53.41 | essobi_ | and rmmod.. |
| 14:53.44 | amorphovs | tak: cdrom drive, that is |
| 14:53.54 | carlos_ | cual es el canal de devian en español |
| 14:53.54 | essobi_ | the modules IS loading.. it's just ignoring the options line in /etc/modules.conf |
| 14:53.55 | jethro | jim: no you didn't, you just didn't notice when you were doing so |
| 14:53.58 | shingouz | gtigene: state the problem and lets see if someone can help you out, man |
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| 14:54.17 | shingouz | !es |
| 14:54.17 | dpkg | Hispanohablantes: Por favor usen #debian-es, alli obtendran mas ayuda. Spanish Speakers: Please use #debian-es, there you will get much more help. |
| 14:54.20 | gtigene | shingouz: sure, just a minute while I get the problem again. |
| 14:54.26 | shingouz | carlos_: ^^^ |
| 14:54.28 | Tak | amorphovs - were you previously using ide-scsi? |
| 14:54.38 | amorphovs | tak: im not sure |
| 14:54.42 | Tak | ah |
| 14:54.43 | roger | quit |
| 14:54.43 | shingouz | gtigene: get some tylenol while you're at it ;) |
| 14:54.47 | matt___ | What type of drive is it? |
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| 14:54.57 | Tak | amorphovs - does ide-scsi show up in lsmod? or ide-cd ? |
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| 14:55.07 | jim | essobi_: could it be you're getting the file format wrong? |
| 14:55.25 | essobi_ | what? |
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| 14:55.53 | essobi_ | no |
| 14:55.55 | essobi_ | I'm not.. |
| 14:55.55 | jim | how are you going about entering the module info? |
| 14:56.25 | amorphovs | tak: i ide_cd showed up in lsmod when i was using the version of 2.6 i got from apt. the guy i worked with yesterday had be build the kernel, i believe, to support it without modules, and so neither are there now |
| 14:56.34 | Tak | ok |
| 14:57.14 | Tak | amorphovs - do you have it listed as ide-scsi in your grub menu? |
| 14:57.14 | gtigene | shingouz: I tried to send mail to a local user and it said "Exim configuration error in line 6 of /var/lib/exim4/config.autogenerated: malformed macro definition" |
| 14:57.18 | essobi_ | echo "e1000" >> /etc/modules ; echo "alias eth0 e1000" >> /etc/modules.conf ; echo "options e1000 Duplex=2,2 Speed=100,100" |
| 14:57.24 | essobi_ | err |
| 14:57.28 | essobi_ | echo "e1000" >> /etc/modules ; echo "alias eth0 e1000" >> /etc/modules.conf ; echo "options e1000 Duplex=2,2 Speed=100,100" >> /etc/modules.conf |
| 14:57.48 | amorphovs | tak: what would be listed as ide_scsi? |
| 14:57.49 | shingouz | gtigene: check what the line in the config says, maybe it is obvious |
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| 14:57.55 | essobi_ | oh and echo "alias eth1 e1000" >> /etc/modules.conf too.. there's 2 of'm. |
| 14:58.13 | Tak | kernel/boot/vmlinuz-2.6.7 root=/dev/hda1 hdc=ide-scsi ro |
| 14:58.17 | Tak | like that |
| 14:58.17 | essobi_ | where do I update that stuff at so when update-modules get's ran it stays up to date? |
| 14:58.21 | Tak | in /boot/grub/menu.lst |
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| 14:58.57 | jim | look at what update-modules does |
| 14:58.57 | amorphovs | tak: oh, no, when i upgraded to 2.6 i had to change from hd to sd, theres nothing there with scsi |
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| 14:59.23 | Tak | wait, what? |
| 14:59.26 | Tak | from hd to sd? |
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| 14:59.34 | amorphovs | tak: /boot/vmlinuz-2.6.11.10 root=/dev/sda6 ro |
| 14:59.41 | amorphovs | tak: thats the line for 2.6 |
| 14:59.45 | MrKeuner | hi, is there a way to bypass prerm script while doing dpkg -r ? |
| 14:59.46 | Tak | sda stands for "scsi disk a" |
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| 14:59.54 | amorphovs | tak: ah |
| 14:59.56 | directhex|work | amorphovs, intel ICH5/6? |
| 15:00.19 | essobi_ | jim: Okay.. got that working. |
| 15:00.24 | Tak | amorphovs - try modprobing ide-scsi and then try to mount /dev/scd0 |
| 15:00.36 | gtigene | shingouz: After a couple of minutes, out of nowhere, a "new account wizard" started up. |
| 15:00.42 | essobi_ | update-modules updates are carried over.. still makes no sense to me why it isn't using those option when it's booting up |
| 15:00.44 | jim | cool :) |
| 15:00.47 | Gothfunc- | tra1a1a: i would have to cover old ground to gather all the details for the question you're expecting. first i need to know whether there's any point doing that. that's why i asked if it was possible for it to be a config issue |
| 15:00.47 | amorphovs | tak: module not found |
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| 15:00.51 | shingouz | gtigene: wow |
| 15:01.06 | amorphovs | directhex|work: im not sure |
| 15:01.11 | Tak | hmm - try mounting /dev/scd0 anyway |
| 15:01.14 | jim | so update-modules should incorporate your e1000 settings |
| 15:01.22 | Tak | otherwise you might want to go back into your kernel config and build the ide-scsi module |
| 15:01.34 | amorphovs | ive tried that before |
| 15:01.37 | jim | but does the resulting file actually work when you boot? |
| 15:01.37 | amorphovs | it gives the same error |
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| 15:02.09 | SquareRt | mrkeuner: erm, you could always symlink the cached .prerm file for the version being removedd to /bin/true |
| 15:02.42 | MrKeuner | SquareRt/ where do those inhabit? |
| 15:02.45 | essobi_ | shouldn't isnmod be paying attention to /etc/modules.conf? |
| 15:02.54 | essobi_ | cause it isn't using those options either |
| 15:03.09 | bbrazil | essobi_: no, insmod is just insmod |
| 15:03.10 | Tak | amorphovs - are you on sata or something? or why does everything show up as sd? now? |
| 15:03.13 | jim | maybe modprobe would |
| 15:03.16 | essobi_ | bbrazil oh. |
| 15:03.21 | essobi_ | Mmm. |
| 15:03.23 | bbrazil | essobi_: modprobe is waht you want |
| 15:03.23 | gtigene | shingouz: The configuration line says "DEBCONFminimaldnsDEBCONF. I am also getting a message from somewhere that says to read somthing. DId you send that? |
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| 15:03.50 | SquareRt | mrkeuner: /var/lib/dpkg/info/ |
| 15:03.55 | amorphovs | tak: im not sure, it still shows up as hd in 2.4 and then it would kernel panic when i tried to boot into 2.6. i found the fix online somewhere to change to sd and it just worked. its a laptop, if that helps |
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| 15:03.58 | shingouz | gtigene: nope, i havent sent you anything |
| 15:03.59 | MrKeuner | thank you SquareRt |
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| 15:04.10 | SquareRt | mrkeuner: a better question is probably A: why? and B: what's the official way? |
| 15:04.22 | Tak | ugh |
| 15:04.23 | essobi_ | yea |
| 15:04.25 | K_Dallas | hi guys! how do i configure biff or xbiff to monitor my emails (pop account)? thanks |
| 15:04.27 | rossi | sry anyone can help me I need a good java compiler for my woody |
| 15:04.36 | essobi_ | modprobe is ignoring the optioen in /etc/modules.conf |
| 15:04.37 | Tak | amorphovs - is there a particular reason you switched to 2.6 in the first place? |
| 15:04.37 | rossi | gcj did not work for me |
| 15:04.40 | essobi_ | anyone have any idea why? |
| 15:04.45 | Tak | rossi - http://java.sun.com/j2se |
| 15:04.53 | shingouz | gtigene: someone else had the same problem yesterday but i didnt follow that one up at the time. there is a solution though, that i know |
| 15:04.57 | amorphovs | tak: 2.4 doesnt support my wireless card (ipw2200) |
| 15:05.01 | Tak | ah |
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| 15:06.58 | essobi_ | Anyone? |
| 15:07.10 | Tak | essobi_ - sorry, dunno |
| 15:07.37 | rossi | how 2 install j2se on my debian |
| 15:07.49 | jethro | rossi: /msg dpkg java install |
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| 15:08.17 | SquareRt | rossi: wouldn't that be j2re for runtime? |
| 15:08.19 | jethro | rossi: /msg dpkg install java actually, nevermind my previous suggestion |
| 15:08.21 | sepen | rossi: also from binari |
| 15:08.52 | amorphovs | tak: the guy who helped me yesterday told me that initrd was trying to initialize the drive but couldnt because something was locking it (or something like that) and so he had me build it right into the kernel. but it just refuses to be recongnized. |
| 15:09.01 | Tak | hmm |
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| 15:09.04 | Tak | eww @ initrd btw |
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| 15:09.22 | SquareRt | tak: isn't initrd standard fayre these days? |
| 15:09.34 | sepen | rossi: http://java.sun.com/j2se/1.5.0/download.jsp |
| 15:09.38 | Tak | I never use it |
| 15:09.45 | gtigene | ? |
| 15:09.50 | shingouz | SquareRt: yes but on custom kernels it is usually a lot of pain |
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| 15:10.20 | SquareRt | shingouz: I take it that using the kpkg stuff doesn't help |
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| 15:10.29 | sepen | anyone knows any translator for debian |
| 15:10.38 | MrKeuner | SquareRt/ I had to do that because /etc/init.d/proftpd was removed accidentally |
| 15:10.40 | shingouz | SquareRt: yes it does but it still is a pain in the ass most of the time |
| 15:10.52 | SquareRt | sepen: a program or a person who translates FOR debian? |
| 15:10.54 | MrKeuner | SquareRt/ it is required by the prerm script to be removed |
| 15:11.03 | sepen | SquareRt: a program |
| 15:11.11 | SquareRt | mrkeuner: and it failed removing it? |
| 15:11.19 | MrKeuner | yep |
| 15:11.24 | Delph | rossi: warning: you might not be able to use the latest java on your woody |
| 15:11.49 | SquareRt | mrkeuner: why not just "touch /etc/init.d/proftpd" ? |
| 15:11.49 | MrKeuner | but now it worked after linking the prerm scriot to true |
| 15:11.49 | Delph | i seem to remember it needing a later version of libc or something. |
| 15:12.10 | SquareRt | mrkeuner: as linking it to true means it doesn't do all the other things it's meant to |
| 15:12.19 | MrKeuner | SquareRt/ I did that but after reinstalling proftpd that 0 size script was still there |
| 15:12.35 | SquareRt | hmm |
| 15:12.37 | chealer | sepen: wordtrans, but don't expect to like it |
| 15:12.50 | SquareRt | mrkeuner: and purging then re-installing didn't work? |
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| 15:12.57 | MrKeuner | nope |
| 15:13.15 | amorphovs | taks: any idea how i should proceed or anywhere else i might look? ive googled the problem like 4 billion times and i never seem to find anything similar. |
| 15:13.16 | sepen | chealer: thanks i going to view |
| 15:13.17 | mediafly | where do I get kprinter deb packages? |
| 15:13.44 | Tak | amorphovs - can you post your dmesg and your menu.lst somewhere for me to look at? |
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| 15:13.54 | gtigene | shingouz: WHile the new account wizard was running the chat was suspended so I didn't see your replies. I am going back and reading what you said now. |
| 15:14.04 | amorphovs | sure, give me a minute |
| 15:14.21 | chealer | mediafly: apt-file search kprinter |
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| 15:14.37 | sepen | chealer: thanks it's really i looking for |
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| 15:15.22 | shingouz | gtigene: k :) |
| 15:15.44 | Tak | essobi_ - which part is it not doing? |
| 15:16.08 | gtigene | shingouz: The main thing is, one of my cron jobs is failing and I though that the cron daemon would send me an email about the job. |
| 15:16.21 | mediafly | chealer: I get http://cpp.sourceforge.net/?show=6126 |
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| 15:16.34 | MrKeuner | SquareRt/ anyways /etc/init.d/proftpd stop was all in prerm script |
| 15:16.37 | rossi | so 2 install the binary like this ? dpkg -i jdk-1_5_0_03-nb-4_1-linux.bin ?? |
| 15:16.43 | gtigene | I also read "An Introductin to Internet email" but I am still mystified. |
| 15:16.45 | shingouz | gtigene: hm. i am not sure how to fix that problem though :( |
| 15:16.52 | PeTeRB | !tell rossi about 2 |
| 15:16.58 | sepen | rossi: it is a binari |
| 15:17.10 | chealer | mediafly: I see kdeprint: usr/bin/kprinter in that |
| 15:17.13 | sepen | rossi: simply ./jdk-1_5_0_03-nb-4_1-linux.bin |
| 15:17.15 | greycat | rossi: /msg dpkg java |
| 15:17.18 | greycat | sepen: not wise. |
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| 15:17.28 | sepen | greycat: what? |
| 15:17.29 | shingouz | gtigene: /msg dpkg mutt |
| 15:17.39 | shingouz | gtigene: maybe you can find something useful from there |
| 15:17.48 | gtigene | shigouz: OK |
| 15:17.48 | greycat | sepen: /msg dpkg install java |
| 15:17.58 | mediafly | chealer: but /usr/bin/kprinter is not installer, I've just checked it |
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| 15:18.25 | essobi_ | Tak It's not adding options |
| 15:18.29 | chealer | mediafly: what's your native language? what are you trying to do? |
| 15:18.35 | Tak | essobi_ - the eth0 alias, or the duplex stuff? |
| 15:18.37 | essobi_ | yea |
| 15:18.41 | essobi_ | duplex |
| 15:18.48 | sepen | greycat: im running jdk in this moment on my testing distro |
| 15:18.54 | Tak | essobi_ - are you sure your switch supports 100mbit fd ? |
| 15:19.19 | sepen | greycat: whats the problem? |
| 15:19.29 | mediafly | chealer: Debian is running in American. I just want to install kprinter ;) |
| 15:19.31 | greycat | sepen: /msg dpkg install java |
| 15:19.37 | jethro | sepen: the debian way to install java is detailed in the install java factoid. other ways aren't debian ways, and may lower the efficiency of the packaging system |
| 15:19.44 | greycat | (although it may still be broken with 1.5) |
| 15:19.48 | gtigene | What is the best way to see the output of a failed cron job? |
| 15:19.55 | greycat | gtigene: mutt |
| 15:20.09 | chealer | mediafly: so, install kdeprint? I was talking about *your* native language |
| 15:20.22 | sepen | greycat: are there problems with woody?¿ |
| 15:20.26 | sepen | greycat: xD |
| 15:20.29 | Gathond | gtigene: configure cron to the its default thing with output, email it to the user and then any mail client you would like |
| 15:20.30 | mediafly | It's German, why? |
| 15:20.52 | chealer | mediafly: you might want to use the german debian channel (/msg dpkg de) |
| 15:21.13 | moeen | mediafly, why ? because it made in Germany :P |
| 15:21.21 | jethro | mediafly: I think he wants to direct you to some language specific support channel for you, but #debian.de might not fit your idea of IRC support channel |
| 15:21.23 | mediafly | chealer: Is my English so bad ;) |
| 15:21.34 | chealer | mediafly: no no |
| 15:21.35 | gtigene | Gathond: Would you repeat that please, I didn't quite get it. |
| 15:21.41 | mediafly | BTW, I've found kprinter, it was in the package kdeprint |
| 15:21.46 | jethro | mediafly: it's just for you to get better support, not to have you leave #debian |
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| 15:21.51 | Gathond | gtigene: read it again then:) |
| 15:21.56 | chealer | mediafly: I understand you fine and probably just spoke too fast |
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| 15:22.25 | chealer | mediafly: yeah, that's what apt-file indicated you |
| 15:22.30 | gtigene | Gathond, it says "configure cron to the its default thing". I appreciate your input but don't understand what you said. |
| 15:22.34 | Gathond | gtigene: anyway, the default behaviour of cron should be to email any output produces by the commands to the user that have the job runs for |
| 15:22.40 | essobi_ | Tak Yes. I can insmod the e1000 driver with options and it works fine |
| 15:22.42 | mediafly | jethro: I've checked the German channel a while ago. It's not used frequently, so it's most the time not a great help |
| 15:22.54 | essobi_ | but when I reboot the initial insmod is ignoring /etc/modules.conf |
| 15:22.58 | doub | just a dummy question, when postfix is configured as a relay for local network, will it too relay for the whole internet? |
| 15:22.58 | mediafly | thank you guys for your help |
| 15:23.01 | Tak | essobi_ - hmm |
| 15:23.17 | gtigene | Gathond: so if I configure mutt then cron will know to use mutt or do I have to tell cron which mua to use? |
| 15:23.20 | doub | i wouldn't like my server to turn to a spam relay |
| 15:23.26 | Gathond | gtigene: that unless you expressly asked cron to not email you any output (empty MAILTO variable in crontab or some such) you should be able to find any output your cronjob produces in your users mailbox |
| 15:23.34 | amorphovs | tak: http://www.eden.rutgers.edu/~faraci/debian/ |
| 15:23.47 | Gathond | gtigene: cron will use the machines MTA to deliver the mail |
| 15:23.52 | jethro | mediafly: it doesn't have a good reputation as well, since regulars there can be very unfriendly with newcomers, even more unfriendly than #debian regulars ;) |
| 15:24.06 | Gathond | gtigene: where the mail then ultimately end up is totally up to the MTA |
| 15:24.08 | chealer | jethro: oh wow :) |
| 15:24.20 | chealer | jethro: I'm sorry I suggested it :-P |
| 15:24.25 | Tak | aha, sata |
| 15:24.29 | jethro | chealer: not a big deal, it has its use |
| 15:24.43 | mediafly | jethro: so, #debian was a good choice ;) |
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| 15:24.59 | essobi_ | Tak It's ignoring the config options.. I can insmod it by hand.. |
| 15:25.06 | gtigene | Gathond: So cron will talk directly to the mta (sendmail in my case) rather than going through an mua? |
| 15:25.10 | jethro | mediafly: if you don't have comunication issues because of the language, it's always a good choice. I never visit any other debian support channel |
| 15:25.13 | essobi_ | for the the of god I don't know why it won't auto on this cisco switch |
| 15:25.14 | sepen | chealer: i'm a problem with wordtrans |
| 15:25.24 | Tak | essobi_ - could always put a script in rc?.d to do it |
| 15:25.39 | chealer | sepen: I'm not surprised, but tell more if you want help |
| 15:25.45 | Gathond | gtigene: yes, just as your mua when sending mail talks to yoru MTA, no difference there |
| 15:25.46 | sepen | chealer: /usr/share/wordtrans/Engtospa.dic don't appear |
| 15:25.46 | essobi_ | Tak rc.d runs before ifup and insmod? |
| 15:25.52 | essobi_ | I doubt it does.. |
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| 15:26.09 | gtigene | Gathond: Thanks I think I am getting the idea. |
| 15:26.11 | sepen | chealer: is that the dictionary? |
| 15:26.16 | shingouz | essobi_: i hear cicso can be a bit quirky occasionally. config the card manually and see if it works that way |
| 15:26.23 | Tak | essobi_ - just put in before s??networking |
| 15:26.26 | essobi_ | SHING I HAVE |
| 15:26.28 | essobi_ | hehe |
| 15:26.35 | essobi_ | shing that's my problem |
| 15:26.43 | shingouz | !nicktab |
| 15:26.43 | dpkg | Hitting tab on a partially typed word in your IRC-client, when referencing a nickname, will increase typing productivity by miles. For example, to address exampleUser, type exam<TAB> and your IRC client will fill in the rest. Keep hitting tab if the letters you typed match more than one nick until you get the right one. |
| 15:26.46 | shingouz | :) |
| 15:26.52 | essobi_ | the initial insmod is ignoring the options |
| 15:26.57 | gtigene | :) |
| 15:26.59 | essobi_ | when I reboot |
| 15:27.20 | Paganist | I got a small problem here... I have a sound card for which i know the module. the module loads when i modprobe it but i get no sound. i run alsaconf which won't detect my soundcard and i have no sound in the end... anyone may help please ? |
| 15:27.26 | sepen | chealer: sorry, the solution is apt-get install idp-eng-spa |
| 15:27.53 | jethro | Paganist: the module loads fine? if yes, try alsamixer and unmute all channels you want to be able to hear |
| 15:28.01 | toresbe | What's the international phone code for UK= |
| 15:28.02 | toresbe | ?* |
| 15:28.10 | jethro | 44 ? |
| 15:28.11 | Tak | amorphovs - I recommend you build scsi cd support |
| 15:28.11 | Paganist | jethro: i'll try, thanks |
| 15:28.24 | chealer | sepen: yes, you probably need i2e. this is http://bugs.debian.org/cgi-bin/bugreport.cgi?bug=303852 |
| 15:28.25 | Tak | or, if built, modprobe sr_mod |
| 15:28.37 | toresbe | jethro: yep, thanks |
| 15:28.52 | jethro | toresbe: you're welcome |
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| 15:29.15 | shingouz | essobi_: 2.6 kernel i think but have you checked the /etc/modutils/ for a file that is named ipw2200? |
| 15:29.18 | amorphovs | tak: sr_mod not found, so i need to go back and rebuild the kernel? |
| 15:29.32 | Tak | I would recommend it |
| 15:29.34 | Paganist | jethro: |
| 15:29.35 | chealer | sepen: I don't know any package of that name |
| 15:29.36 | Paganist | debian:/etc/alsa/modprobe-post-install.d# cat /dev/urandom > /dev/dsp |
| 15:29.36 | Paganist | cat: write error: No space left on device |
| 15:29.57 | jethro | Paganist: apt-get clean |
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| 15:30.17 | rindolf | Hi all! |
| 15:30.19 | Paganist | jethro: nothing to do with what i show you |
| 15:30.26 | rindolf | How do I duplicate a DVD from the command line? |
| 15:30.32 | amorphovs | tak: the guy yesterday had me use menuconfig, is there an option in there to turn on the scsi_cd support? |
| 15:30.39 | Tak | rindolf - dvdbackup? |
| 15:30.40 | jethro | Paganist: it would free some space, removing the debian packages you downloaded in the past |
| 15:30.47 | Tak | amorphovs - yeah |
| 15:30.52 | sepen | chealer: i have the solution thanks |
| 15:30.58 | PeTeRB | jethro: Free space on /dev/dsp ? |
| 15:30.59 | rindolf | Tak: hmmm.... |
| 15:31.05 | jethro | Paganist: I doubt the no space left is for dev/dsp |
| 15:31.06 | Paganist | jethro: look the line above the one you have read |
| 15:31.09 | sepen | chealer: my doctionary is now running well |
| 15:31.10 | essobi_ | shing Nope.. what's in ipw2200? |
| 15:31.11 | shingouz | rindolf: pipe dd to cdrecord (or whatever you use to bunr dvd's) |
| 15:31.17 | Paganist | jethro: seems it is |
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| 15:31.19 | cahoot | Paganist: fuser -v /dev/dsp |
| 15:31.22 | shingouz | essobi_: you do not have such a file? |
| 15:31.25 | jethro | Paganist: that's not making sense |
| 15:31.33 | essobi_ | Nope |
| 15:31.34 | essobi_ | no file |
| 15:31.38 | Paganist | jethro: returns nothing |
| 15:31.39 | jethro | Paganist: dsp ain't a filesystem, so it can't run out of space can it? |
| 15:31.40 | amorphovs | tak: ok i think i see it. i had scsi support on but not scsi cd rom. do i just put a * next to SCSI CDROM Support? |
| 15:31.59 | Tak | amorphovs - depends, is all the rest of your scsi stuff builtin or modules? |
| 15:32.06 | LSorensen | jethro: if it points at a non available device it might return 'can't write' or something |
| 15:32.07 | essobi_ | shing It's a fresh testing install |
| 15:32.15 | cahoot | Paganist: make sure no oss module is loaded beside the alsa module |
| 15:32.19 | Paganist | jethro: i don't think so, it is what's written as output though |
| 15:32.24 | LSorensen | jethro: and of course if /dev/dsp never existed as a device node, you just created a file instead |
| 15:32.25 | shingouz | essobi_: make one. one line 'options <modulename> <opt1> <opt2> etc... |
| 15:32.35 | jethro | LSorensen: point |
| 15:32.43 | LSorensen | Paganist: did /dev/dsp exist before you did cat? |
| 15:32.44 | shingouz | essobi_: type shing<tab> to get the tab completion to work too ;) |
| 15:32.47 | Paganist | cahoot: hummm not that i know of |
| 15:32.55 | amorphovs | tak: scsi generic support is M, but i can change it to * if need-be. scsi device support, scsi disk support are both * |
| 15:33.04 | Paganist | LSorensen: yes |
| 15:33.10 | LSorensen | amorphovs: scsi cd support is sr_mod |
| 15:33.19 | LSorensen | Paganist: symlink? device node? |
| 15:33.23 | cahoot | Paganist: lsmod would tell |
| 15:33.25 | Tak | amorphovs - I would make it * then |
| 15:33.26 | essobi_ | <PROTECTED> |
| 15:33.29 | Tak | same as scsi disk |
| 15:33.32 | shingouz | essobi_: after you have the file there (has to be named after the module), run update-modules and it should work |
| 15:33.33 | Paganist | cahoot: modules loaded are only the modules required by this driver and which loaded by dependancy |
| 15:33.39 | essobi_ | I already did that |
| 15:33.47 | LSorensen | amorphovs: you actually have a scsi cdrom device? |
| 15:33.48 | amorphovs | tak: thanks, and do i need Enable vendor-specific extensions? |
| 15:33.48 | essobi_ | just not in the file you mentioned but in aliases |
| 15:33.55 | Paganist | cahoot: nothing with a name containing "oss" |
| 15:33.55 | essobi_ | I'll give it a whirl thou |
| 15:33.56 | LSorensen | amorphovs: I alwasy make it a module just in case |
| 15:33.57 | Tak | amorphovs - wouldn't hurt |
| 15:34.02 | cahoot | Paganist: snd-pcm-oss is needed to get a working /dev/dsp |
| 15:34.04 | amorphovs | tak: thanks |
| 15:34.13 | shingouz | essobi_: i am not sure but i think you need to have that file in there. test to see if it works and if it does, please tell me too :p |
| 15:34.16 | amorphovs | LSorensen: i guess so, im not sure, im not really too clear on this stuff |
| 15:34.18 | LSorensen | amorphovs: not that I have had a scsi cdrom in a long time |
| 15:34.34 | LSorensen | amorphovs: all mine are atapi |
| 15:34.35 | Tak | LSorensen - sata |
| 15:34.43 | essobi_ | shing nope |
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| 15:34.48 | cahoot | Paganist: 'pure' alsa is best tested with aplay |
| 15:34.48 | rindolf | Tak: thanks, it looks exactly what the doctor ordered. |
| 15:34.53 | Tak | rindolf - cool |
| 15:34.58 | Tak | heh |
| 15:35.00 | rindolf | Bye bye! |
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| 15:35.04 | PeTeRB | cahoot: What about speaker-test? |
| 15:35.06 | LSorensen | tak: hmm, that stuff barely works yet as far as I can tell from teh lkml. the sata atapi is work in progress and not done yet. really isn't really supported for now |
| 15:35.08 | amorphovs | tak: should i change scsi generic support to * or leave M? |
| 15:35.16 | Paganist | cahoot: this module is not found here |
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| 15:35.23 | Paganist | snd-pcm-oss |
| 15:35.24 | jethro | hah |
| 15:35.26 | cahoot | PeTeRB: never heard of |
| 15:35.46 | PeTeRB | cahoot: speaker-test - command-line speaker test tone generator for ALSA |
| 15:35.50 | LSorensen | amorphovs: if it is an atapi dvd writer, don't expect it to work yet. Search the last couple of weeks of lkml for some patches that try to make it work, but it could be a few months before that is fully supported |
| 15:35.58 | shingouz | essobi_: i do not have highlights or anything else with just 'shing'. on the module.. it should work now but.... a bigger hammer? |
| 15:36.07 | amorphovs | LSorensen: its not dvdr |
| 15:36.17 | cahoot | Paganist: /dev/dsp is the 'old' device - needs alsas oss emulation - ie snd-pcm-oss |
| 15:36.17 | LSorensen | amorphovs: so what is it? |
| 15:36.30 | amorphovs | LSorensen: DVD/CDRW |
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| 15:36.40 | LSorensen | amorphovs: well same thing practically. both are atapi |
| 15:36.46 | Tak | amorphovs * |
| 15:36.49 | amorphovs | LSorensen: ah |
| 15:36.50 | LSorensen | amorphovs: and apapi over sata is not supported yet in linux |
| 15:36.53 | LSorensen | er atapi |
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| 15:37.07 | cahoot | PeTeRB: uses the native alsa device then I take it - same as aplay |
| 15:37.13 | Paganist | ok guys, thank you, i will look over this |
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| 15:37.28 | Paganist | alsa-oss is installed here though |
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| 15:37.30 | LSorensen | amorphovs: you may be able to make it read, but certainly won't write |
| 15:37.31 | Paganist | :/ |
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| 15:37.54 | amorphovs | LSorensen: thats fine, i just want it to read for now, and it read fine in 2.4, ive only had this problem since going to 2.6 |
| 15:38.30 | LSorensen | amorphovs: sure 2.4 doesn't use libata, so that is fine. It uses the pata emulation drivers for sata which does do atapi. 2.6 uses libata which means scsi style interface, and libata doesn't have atapi drive support yet. |
| 15:38.42 | Paganist | cahoot: what is the output device of alsa ? |
| 15:38.45 | LSorensen | amorphovs: so either stick with 2.4 or go see if any of the patches on lkml are any good yet |
| 15:38.45 | Tak | LSorensen - he's already using it... |
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| 15:39.13 | LSorensen | amorphovs: for writing that is. reading with scsi cdrom support ought to work |
| 15:39.33 | LSorensen | amorphovs: I wish it worked, since hten I would start getting SATA plextor dvd writers instead of pata. |
| 15:39.51 | amorphovs | LSorensen: its good enough for me, i rarely burn cds and if i need to i can boot into windows |
| 15:40.03 | cahoot | Paganist: /dev/snd/pcmC0D0p is one - not accessible via a simple cat though |
| 15:40.08 | amorphovs | LSorensen: i really just want to not have to reboot everytime i want to watch a dvd |
| 15:40.11 | LSorensen | amorphovs: maybe it will be supported by the time you need to write a cd :) |
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| 15:40.33 | LSorensen | amorphovs: hopefully none of the dvd access requires atapi commands. |
| 15:40.33 | amorphovs | LSorensen: considering how rarely i do it, its quite possible |
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| 15:40.52 | peterS | I thought libata had atapi support several linux kernel releases ago |
| 15:40.55 | amorphovs | LSorensen: heres hoping |
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| 15:41.28 | directhex|work | peterS, yep |
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| 15:41.33 | Tak | peters - like I said, he's already using it... |
| 15:42.22 | essobi_ | shingouz Sorry.. umm |
| 15:42.34 | shingouz | :) |
| 15:42.42 | essobi_ | shingouz Still not working to I went and crammed it into /etc/init.d/networks |
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| 15:42.45 | Paganist | cahoot: not have the module snd-pcm-oss means i got to recompile alsa from scratch right ? |
| 15:42.50 | essobi_ | shingouz err networking |
| 15:43.01 | essobi_ | shingouz Dirty but it works. |
| 15:43.05 | shingouz | essobi_: brute force, huh :) |
| 15:43.11 | essobi_ | yea |
| 15:43.16 | essobi_ | I just got like 10 of these machines |
| 15:43.20 | cahoot | Paganist: not using a debian package? |
| 15:43.31 | Paganist | cahoot: yes, i use debian packages |
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| 15:43.33 | essobi_ | so I don't see this being loaded up on anything other then these anyways |
| 15:43.40 | Paganist | i'll apt-get alsa-source |
| 15:43.45 | cahoot | Paganist: try modprobe snd-pcm-oss |
| 15:43.52 | Paganist | cahoot: not found |
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| 15:44.39 | cahoot | Paganist: ok - looks like you need reconfig/recompile the alsa modules then - unless you pull in a deb |
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| 15:45.23 | directhex|work | Paganist, apt-get install module-assistant && m-a prepare && m-a a-i alsa |
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| 15:45.42 | Paganist | hum |
| 15:46.01 | Paganist | directhex|work: module-assistant ? |
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| 15:46.14 | Paganist | too bad i never seen this in debian-reference |
| 15:46.38 | directhex|work | not surprised |
| 15:46.40 | directhex|work | !m-a |
| 15:46.40 | dpkg | from memory, module-assistant is a tool helping to build additional (kernel) module packages and generate/install DEB packages with them, or the daddy, or apt-get install module-assistant kernel-headers-$(uname -r) build-essential |
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| 15:47.19 | asa | does anyone know how to crack password protected RAR files? |
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| 15:47.37 | pitillo | anyone knows if are there any tool to administrate apt with X? |
| 15:47.38 | shingouz | asa: pron? |
| 15:47.45 | bob2 | pitillo: what would you administrate? |
| 15:47.46 | asa | no. mp3s |
| 15:47.48 | moeen | asa, it's just available by PasswordLists |
| 15:47.49 | bob2 | pitillo: and synaptic |
| 15:48.01 | yaccobb | what's the command to remove dir please ? |
| 15:48.06 | asa | moeen: is that an unrar command? |
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| 15:48.07 | shingouz | asa: do you really think we would answer such a question here? |
| 15:48.15 | bob2 | yaccobb: rmdir |
| 15:48.20 | Anders1 | asa: wrong channel |
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| 15:48.27 | yaccobb | bob2, k, thx |
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| 15:48.34 | asa | Anders1: wots the right channel? |
| 15:48.39 | moeen | no, I forget it names, but lot of time it will not work |
| 15:48.43 | Anders1 | somewhere else, asa |
| 15:48.45 | yaccobb | bob2, *OK, Thanks. ;) |
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| 15:48.52 | shingouz | asa: #warez |
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| 15:49.04 | furrywolf | asa: I find a chisel to work well for cracking things. |
| 15:49.08 | labasrytas | what's up with qpopper? I can't find 4.0.4-2.woody.5 in security.debian.org only 4.0.4-2.woody.4. For the stable distribution (woody) these problems have been fixed in version 4.0.4-2.woody.5 |
| 15:49.39 | Paganist | directhex|work: thank you, i'll do this |
| 15:49.44 | pitillo | bob2: a tool to view the pakages installed for example, like rpm manager |
| 15:50.06 | bob2 | pitillo: synaptic |
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| 15:50.29 | pitillo | thanks bob2 |
| 15:50.41 | amorphovs | argh. rebuilt the kernel with the scsi cdrom support, installed, rebooted, still nothing. |
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| 15:50.56 | bob2 | amorphovs: debian kernels do have scsi cdrom support... |
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| 15:51.30 | furrywolf | amorphovs: I missed the start of the question, but I assume you've checked the obvious, such as proper termination, unconflicting IDs, etc? |
| 15:51.33 | amorphovs | bob2: i think i had turned it off when i built it yesterday |
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| 15:52.53 | pitillo | bob2: thanks, i think that synaptic was a text tool only |
| 15:53.00 | yaccobb | bob2, and if I wanna to remove dir with all its files and subdirs ? |
| 15:53.07 | amorphovs | furrywolf: im really not sure whats going on. ive got a cdrom drive (i think its sata) which was working fine in 2.4 and isnt being recongnized at all in 2.6, it doesnt show up at all in dmesg. ive built the kernel from scratch twice with peoples help trying to get it working and i get nothing. |
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| 15:53.09 | bob2 | yaccobb: rm -r blah |
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| 15:53.12 | bob2 | yaccobb: but be very very careful |
| 15:53.25 | Azar | hello honorables |
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| 15:53.42 | greycat | yaccobb: man rm |
| 15:53.56 | furrywolf | hrmm. I've never seen a sata cd-rom, much less made one work, so can't help too much. :) |
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| 15:54.10 | amorphovs | furrywolf: ah well |
| 15:54.11 | shingouz | yaccobb: and if you have to run rm as root. read the command at least three timws before you hit enter |
| 15:54.19 | furrywolf | you think it's sata? what type of plug does it use? |
| 15:54.20 | yaccobb | greycat, that's true. sorry. |
| 15:54.28 | amorphovs | furrywolf: laptop |
| 15:54.32 | yaccobb | shingouz, ok |
| 15:54.46 | shingouz | amorphovs: laptop drives are ide |
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| 15:55.04 | Azar | back to my Alsa problems, any hint which directory could have been installed? I cannot find it on /etc, /etc/alsa gives me only dev.d and modprobe-post-install.d |
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| 15:55.13 | amorphovs | shingouz: yeah thats what i thought but then i was told mine was sata, unless im just even more confused than ever, which is a distinct possibility |
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| 15:55.24 | Bruutje | hmpf |
| 15:55.25 | shingouz | amorphovs: what laptop? |
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| 15:55.32 | amorphovs | inspiron 6000 |
| 15:55.32 | furrywolf | amorphovs: you're probably more confused than ever. :) |
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| 15:55.43 | shingouz | amorphovs: how old is that one? |
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| 15:55.51 | amorphovs | amorphovs: i just got it a month ago |
| 15:56.14 | gtigene | How can I check what MTA I have running on my system? |
| 15:56.17 | furrywolf | amorphovs: if you can't get it to work, I'll give you 50 bucks for it. |
| 15:56.24 | Azar | at bootup I get an Alsa error: missing sound card, and when I checked snd-mpu401 |
| 15:56.25 | Azar | <PROTECTED> |
| 15:56.26 | shingouz | amorphovs: did you already check out the laptop linux website for possible hints? /msg dpkg laptop |
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| 15:56.37 | xWin2 | hello |
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| 15:57.04 | xWin2 | as I can install freenx? |
| 15:57.04 | Bruutje | erhmm...qpopper security update |
| 15:57.07 | rindolf | Tak: here? |
| 15:57.35 | furrywolf | a google shows that laptop as a "just works" install, except for the modem. |
| 15:57.43 | amorphovs | shingouz: i dont recall if i looked there, ive been googling the problem and talking to people since i got the system and i cant find ANYTHING |
| 15:57.48 | amorphovs | furrywolf: yeah |
| 15:57.54 | amorphovs | furrywolf: thats what i always found |
| 15:58.03 | shingouz | amorphovs: check what /msg dpkg laptop has to tell you about it |
| 15:58.17 | Bruutje | is there a channel about debian security updates ? |
| 15:58.17 | furrywolf | check the bios setup, and see what it says about the drive? |
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| 15:58.50 | shingouz | amorphovs: has to be an ide drive, there are no laptops with sata out yet to the best of my knowledge |
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| 15:59.13 | srid | how to 'apt-cache search' only not-installed packages? |
| 15:59.38 | furrywolf | hrmm, found one page that mentions sata, and bios options. |
| 15:59.45 | amorphovs | furrywolf: oh? |
| 15:59.53 | furrywolf | #define ATA_ENABLE_PATA |
| 15:59.55 | furrywolf | try that. |
| 16:00.04 | furrywolf | and ATAPI, of course. |
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| 16:00.13 | furrywolf | http://forums.us.dell.com/supportforums/board/message?board.id=sw_linux&message.id=6071 |
| 16:00.21 | xWin2 | in which repositore I can find it? |
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| 16:00.51 | shingouz | xWin2: wtf is freenx in the first place? |
| 16:00.57 | furrywolf | and http://forums.us.dell.com/supportforums/board/message?board.id=sw_linux&message.id=6061 |
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| 16:01.28 | amorphovs | furrywolf: looking, thanks |
| 16:01.50 | Oatmeat | does anybody know how to set up conditional installation with automake? |
| 16:01.53 | furrywolf | google is your friend. :P |
| 16:02.58 | amorphovs | furrywolf: i saw some of this before, but i dont think i was able to find anything that fixed it |
| 16:03.13 | moeen | Oatmeat, do you want make a Make script for your source codes ? |
| 16:03.37 | Azar | after the latest "aptitude dist-upgrade" I noticed I got a new lilo installed... do I need to run /sbin/lilo in this case? |
| 16:03.48 | furrywolf | amorphovs: did you edit the files as they suggested? |
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| 16:04.02 | peterS | Azar: it actually should have prompted you about that |
| 16:04.04 | moeen | Azar, Where are you from ? |
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| 16:04.22 | Azar | peterS, it did not so that why I was curious about |
| 16:04.24 | shingouz | Azar: have you booted yet? |
| 16:04.32 | Azar | moeen , U.S., why? |
| 16:04.34 | theD3viL | how to add my HP 5150 printer?? |
| 16:04.39 | amorphovs | furrywolf: i did the #defines |
| 16:04.40 | Azar | shingouz, no, not yet |
| 16:04.40 | srid | i need light weight terminal like xterm, but with tabbed support like gnome-terminal |
| 16:04.44 | furrywolf | devil: linuxprinting.org |
| 16:04.54 | neko_ | srid: mrxvt |
| 16:04.56 | peterS | Azar: assuming you don't have a broken lilo.conf, rerunning /sbin/lilo should never hurt |
| 16:04.58 | mewhoo | is this a good place to ask an questions? |
| 16:04.58 | shingouz | Azar: in that case just rerun lilo, it wont hurt at least |
| 16:05.04 | greycat | !ask |
| 16:05.05 | dpkg | If you have a question, just ask away on channel. If somebody knows, they'll answer :) For best results, be specific, informative, complete, concise and on-topic! Don't ask if you can ask a question first. Also don't ask if anyone uses/knows about foo. Please don't be demanding or insulting. Remember, we're all volunteers. Finally, please don't /msg people without permission or demand an answer from one particular person. Thanks! |
| 16:05.10 | shingouz | mewhoo: no :) |
| 16:05.10 | moeen | Azar, your name looks from two country, ? Turkey and Iran |
| 16:05.11 | Azar | thanks guys :) |
| 16:05.14 | mewhoo | i need help changing my source file |
| 16:05.17 | Oatmeat | moeen: I have a project that is using automake right now. By default it should not install anything in the examples directory, but automake still creates a empty examples directory and just installs nothing to it... how do I prevent that? |
| 16:05.35 | mewhoo | ok thanks anyhow |
| 16:05.40 | shingouz | mewhoo: more information needed. what csource |
| 16:05.40 | streuner | theD3viL: inkjet? |
| 16:05.40 | srid | neko_, thanks, will check it out |
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| 16:05.47 | mewhoo | oh |
| 16:05.49 | shingouz | source even |
| 16:05.53 | ^Duffy^ | hmm, I have a server running Debian (woody), and I need to setup a mailserver to host my domains on it. Any reccomendations? Any tutorials you guys would reccomend? |
| 16:06.02 | mewhoo | the sources.list? |
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| 16:06.14 | mewhoo | i need to upgrade the kernel |
| 16:06.14 | shingouz | mewhoo: apt-setup should be able to do it |
| 16:06.29 | moeen | Oatmeat, I don't know exactly :P but I think the just way is changing make script manually |
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| 16:06.48 | Azar | Heh :) I guess the dist-upgrade ran it for me the way I see it |
| 16:06.48 | shingouz | mewhoo: apt-get update && apt-get install kernel-image-foo |
| 16:06.49 | Oatmeat | hrm... that's not really an option though. Since those changes will be overwritten |
| 16:06.52 | streuner | ^Duffy^: upgrade to sarge, google for 'SMTP HOWTO' |
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| 16:07.00 | theD3viL | streuner, yes |
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| 16:07.05 | raf256 | where can I set that BIOS time is in local time not in GMT? |
| 16:07.13 | streuner | theD3viL: /msg dpkg hpinkjet install |
| 16:07.23 | ^Duffy^ | streuner: Well, this is a VPS (Virtual Dedicated Server), how can I upgrade it to sarge? |
| 16:07.26 | Azar | moeen, my irc nick is not what it seems, if you read it backwards |
| 16:07.40 | mewhoo | i am running woody... but want to upgrade to sarge... |
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| 16:08.00 | amorphovs | allright, ill have to keep fooling around with this stuff with the cdrom later. quick question, does anyone know how to change to From: header in pine? everything on the web said to just use roles, but ive changed the roles a million times and it still just uses my local username. |
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| 16:08.06 | mewhoo | i need to change the sources.list file so that it will find the testing servers |
| 16:08.06 | streuner | raf256: /msg dpkg set time |
| 16:08.07 | yaccobb | oh my god, that kernel compilation kills me... about 3 hours from HOWTO and nothing... I am stupid as I can see. |
| 16:08.07 | shingouz | mewhoo: /msg dpkg woody->sarge |
| 16:08.20 | streuner | ^Duffy^: ask them not us |
| 16:08.26 | moeen | Azar, aha ! something like Nimda virus name :P |
| 16:08.28 | shingouz | !comfort yaccobb |
| 16:08.29 | dpkg | There, there, yaccobb. It's OK. I'm here for you. |
| 16:09.08 | yaccobb | shingouz, hehe, you wanna to finish me off ? :-P |
| 16:09.15 | essobi_ | Anyone seen a program to install all the packages on one machine on another? |
| 16:09.25 | shingouz | yaccobb: uhh... no. does it look like it? :p |
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| 16:09.52 | shingouz | essobi_: man dpkg. --get-selections and --set-selections |
| 16:10.04 | yaccobb | shingouz, I am really depressed right now... :/ |
| 16:10.06 | streuner | !listvals --get-selections |
| 16:10.08 | dpkg | Factoid search of '--get-selections' by value (3): debian clone ;; ffs copy ;; package reselect. |
| 16:10.22 | streuner | !debian clone |
| 16:10.22 | dpkg | One method of cloning debian installs is to take a current debian machine that is setup with the packages you want. Run the command "dpkg --get-selections > ~/selectionfile". Then, after the base install on other machines use that file and do: "dpkg --set-selections < ./selectionfile && apt-get dselect-upgrade". |
| 16:10.29 | shingouz | essobi_: or are you planning on just making another identical setup on another computer? |
| 16:10.42 | shingouz | !cp hd to hd |
| 16:10.42 | dpkg | cp -ax, read the man page aswell, or cd /from && find . | cpio -pdumv /to or "rsync -axHS /from/. /to/.", where "/from/." can be "root@other-machine:/from/.""/to/." can be "root@other-machine:/to/.", or cp -ax /from/. /to/. (also read the man page) Ask me about <onedisktoanother> |
| 16:10.58 | essobi_ | I got like 8 machines I want to sync the same packages on all as the first 1 I setup |
| 16:11.06 | gtigene | When I try to invoke sendmail in address test mode (sendmail -bt) I don't get a prompt and it does not respond to commands. What could be wrong? |
| 16:11.11 | mewhoo | i know the command is something like gedit /**/**/sources.list |
| 16:11.35 | mewhoo | can someone tell me what the command is to edit the sources list? |
| 16:11.43 | mewhoo | sorry it has been awhile |
| 16:11.43 | roo9 | anyone know of a plugin for firefox that will allow me to forge the Host: header? |
| 16:11.45 | toresbe | Is there a way to get a machine to play a set frequency? |
| 16:11.45 | toresbe | I need 2100 hertz to test something |
| 16:11.45 | shingouz | essobi_: ok, i guess the cp hd to hd from dpkg might be the best one for that |
| 16:11.49 | srid | neko_, how to enable 'antialiased' fonts in mrxvt |
| 16:11.51 | asg | mewhoo: editor /path/to/foo |
| 16:11.55 | essobi_ | ;) |
| 16:12.03 | neko_ | srid: dunno |
| 16:12.06 | shingouz | mewhoo: how about /msg dpkg woody->sarge |
| 16:12.13 | mewhoo | thanks asg |
| 16:12.15 | petemc | or apt-setup |
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| 16:12.43 | Delph | mewhoo: for the future: "find /etc -iname sources.list" will find any file named 'sources.list' in /etc. |
| 16:13.08 | mewhoo | thanks Delph |
| 16:13.38 | shingouz | mewhoo: locate is another pretty good command to find stuff with |
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| 16:13.56 | Joe7Dice | well, I asked it earlier today, BUT: what the hell can cause system load to go over 5-6.0 when uploading files to da server over simple ftp connection, or when simply copiing files from and onto the same system hdd? :/ |
| 16:14.23 | jethro | Joe7Dice: PIO mode |
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| 16:14.57 | carlos_ | #debian-es |
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| 16:15.15 | shingouz | carlos_: /join #debian-es |
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| 16:15.33 | gtigene | Has anyone run sendmail in address test mode (sendmail -bt)? |
| 16:15.44 | greycat | gtigene: #sendmail |
| 16:16.00 | gtigene | greycat, thank you I sure will :) |
| 16:16.10 | Joe7Dice | jethro that is udma6 |
| 16:16.22 | toonX | is there any 64bit release from debian? and if so , where to download it? |
| 16:16.22 | jethro | Joe7Dice: you sure you use udma ? |
| 16:16.28 | tombs | hi ppl |
| 16:16.29 | Joe7Dice | jethro hdparm says |
| 16:16.35 | streuner | !tell toonX about amd64 |
| 16:16.37 | greycat | toonX: /msg dpkg amd64 |
| 16:16.45 | shingouz | Joe7Dice: don't paste here |
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| 16:17.07 | Joe7Dice | shingouz i did not and was not intended to do so :) |
| 16:17.12 | shingouz | :) |
| 16:17.24 | FooBar_ | Hey there. |
| 16:17.28 | Azar | this is so frustrating, I am booting up in X and I am not able to read the errors at bootup |
| 16:17.30 | Joe7Dice | i meant hdparms says its udma6.. |
| 16:17.50 | toonX | streuner, thanks |
| 16:17.51 | shingouz | Azar: how about disabling the display manager for a while? |
| 16:18.04 | Azar | shingouz, how do I do that? |
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| 16:18.33 | FooBar_ | Anyone has an idea where I can find MD5sums for current Sarge (debian-testing-i386-binary-*.iso)? |
| 16:18.34 | jethro | Joe7Dice: I got it right, and wasn't expecting a paste :) |
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| 16:18.38 | shingouz | Azar: in /etc/init.d look for the ?dm and mv it to _?dm or something for a while |
| 16:18.55 | Azar | thanks shingouz |
| 16:19.10 | shingouz | FooBar_: from the site you downloaded it from? |
| 16:19.13 | Joe7Dice | jethro i still can paste in msg if it can help in any way..it's really a big problem :/ |
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| 16:19.25 | shingouz | !paster |
| 16:19.25 | dpkg | Instead of pasting in #debian or #flood, use paster, your friendly paste bot. Visit http://channels.debian.net/paste then select #debian and paste away. |
| 16:19.29 | FooBar_ | shingouz : Nope. don't see 'em! |
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| 16:19.49 | shingouz | FooBar_: they should be there |
| 16:19.51 | jethro | Joe7Dice: you'd better /msg dpkg paste |
| 16:19.59 | jethro | Joe7Dice: I don't accept private messages |
| 16:20.02 | FooBar_ | well, http://cdimage.debian.org/pub/weekly/i386/ seems not to have em... |
| 16:20.04 | moeen | Azar, for reading bootup errors you can use ctrl+alt+F1 |
| 16:20.05 | chealer | dpkg: non-us is also for the few remaining packages, see http://lists.debian.org/debian-release/2005/05/msg01355.html |
| 16:20.06 | dpkg | okay, chealer |
| 16:20.16 | jethro | Joe7Dice: as for your problem, I have no idea what could be the cause. |
| 16:20.25 | shingouz | FooBar_: odd |
| 16:20.42 | FooBar_ | shingouz : I know... |
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| 16:20.43 | moeen | Azar, but for last page of it |
| 16:20.45 | Azar | moeen, I know but I need to check the bootup messages |
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| 16:21.37 | Azar | shingouz, in /etc/init.d which file can I configure? |
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| 16:22.12 | xWin2 | as I can install amule? |
| 16:22.14 | shingouz | Azar: the one that looks like it runs the display manager you use. xdm, gdm, kdm what have you |
| 16:22.29 | moeen | Azar, do you use gdm ? |
| 16:22.31 | shingouz | xWin2: what are you talking about? |
| 16:22.37 | jethro | !irritate xWin2 |
| 16:22.38 | dpkg | xWin2: HELP ME!!! who uses cable hello? |
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| 16:22.41 | Gnea | ok now this is wack |
| 16:22.47 | Azar | I use openbox |
| 16:22.56 | theD3viL | configure: error: C++ preprocessor "/lib/cpp" fails sanity check <- whats this? :S |
| 16:23.11 | xWin2 | dpkg, yes, in the first line! ;) |
| 16:23.14 | moeen | Azar, what about the Desktop manager ? gdm ? xdm ? kdm ? |
| 16:23.16 | Azar | oh on top of xdm |
| 16:23.36 | FooBar_ | shingouz : Are there any other sites mirroring Sarge weeklies? http://www.debian.org/CD/http-ftp/ only lists cdimage.debian.org/pub/weekly/i386/ for Sarge... :( |
| 16:23.37 | shingouz | Azar: /etc/init.d/xdm should be the one to mv then |
| 16:23.40 | peterS | theD3viL: wtf, why would you use /lib/cpp for C++, as opposed to g++ -E? |
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| 16:23.51 | PeTeRB | Azar: Why not try Ctrl+Alt+F1 to go to the console and then Shift+PgUp/PgDn to scroll up and down? |
| 16:23.55 | shingouz | FooBar_: probably not but i am not sure about it |
| 16:24.00 | greycat | !b-e theD3viL |
| 16:24.01 | dpkg | theD3viL: Sounds like you need to install build-essential. |
| 16:24.04 | moeen | Azar, write su && /etc/init.d/xdm stop |
| 16:24.10 | FooBar_ | shingouz : OK, thanks! |
| 16:24.13 | Gnea | i installed a floppy drive on this system so i can do a firmware upgrade, and my kernel has all the floppy stuff built-in, and yet it's not discovering it and creating /dev/fd0 |
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| 16:24.20 | Azar | PeTeRB, because the F1 will only give me the last page will not scroll up |
| 16:24.30 | moeen | in a console (ctrl+alt+f1) |
| 16:24.31 | theD3viL | dpkg tnx |
| 16:24.31 | dpkg | Really, "Thank you" will do. It's not too much to ask, is it? |
| 16:24.33 | BucWheat | deadcat you there? |
| 16:24.36 | greycat | Gnea: "creating" /dev/fd0? udev poisoning!! |
| 16:24.39 | BucWheat | !seen deadcat |
| 16:24.39 | dpkg | deadcat is currently on #debian (11h 6m 32s). Has said a total of 16477 messages. Is idling for 6h 57m 47s |
| 16:24.40 | greycat | !pal Gnea |
| 16:24.41 | jethro | hah |
| 16:24.43 | shingouz | Azar: jsut mv it, the stop moeen told you about will of course not work at boot |
| 16:24.46 | HansZ | Hi ppl, I'm wondering.. is there any guide to create of your debian server a Gateway? |
| 16:25.02 | greycat | HansZ: define "gateway". |
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| 16:25.22 | Gnea | heh |
| 16:25.25 | HansZ | greycat: Proxy like, but not only for HTTP |
| 16:25.25 | PeTeRB | Azar: Shift+PgUp scrolling doesn't work? |
| 16:25.25 | moeen | shingouz, as I know, when you stop it, it will not start in next times ... |
| 16:25.33 | zza | ajudem-me |
| 16:25.45 | greycat | HansZ: a NAT router? install ipmasq, and/or read the IP masquerading HOWTO. |
| 16:26.08 | Gnea | greycat: well i've got an issue with the agp bridge so i've narrowed it down to a necessary firmware upgrade which can only be accomplished on this system with a floppy drive :) |
| 16:26.10 | HansZ | greycat: define 'NAT' router |
| 16:26.11 | shingouz | moeen: that is news to me but you may be right. i could not tell, i startx if i want X |
| 16:26.14 | greycat | !NAT |
| 16:26.14 | dpkg | i heard nat is Network Address Translation. See also ipmasq, or patented by CISCO, or ip-masq is not exactly like NAT, the former is more fexible while the latter gains widely recognition. see also 'netfilter docs', or $BROWSER /usr/share/doc/iptables/html/NAT-HOWTO-4.html#ss4.1 |
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| 16:26.26 | HansZ | ic, thanks |
| 16:26.42 | zza | AJUDE-ME!!!!!!! |
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| 16:26.45 | moeen | shingouz, ok ;) |
| 16:26.52 | greycat | !tell zza about br |
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| 16:27.57 | theD3viL | make: *** [all-recursive] Error 1 <- and this? =/ |
| 16:28.07 | greycat | *plonk* |
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| 16:28.18 | greycat | ain't dealin' with *that*. |
| 16:28.40 | Gnea | *plink* |
| 16:28.50 | jethro | going home, see you laters #debian |
| 16:28.52 | greycat | no no, from the diaphragm. |
| 16:28.55 | raf256 | *pluck* |
| 16:29.00 | Gnea | oooh |
| 16:29.05 | Gnea | *shrink-a-dink* |
| 16:29.10 | Gnea | ;) |
| 16:29.41 | raf256 | neither tzconfig nor date --set allow me to set IF the BIOS time is in GMT (not the timezone, it is correct: Warsaw)... where can I change that? |
| 16:29.41 | mfrisch | I am trying to build * I get "/usr/bin/ld cannot find -lssl" anyone know what it means |
| 16:29.41 | mfrisch | ? |
| 16:29.56 | raf256 | mfrisch: missing lib SSL |
| 16:29.58 | streuner | theD3viL: which app do you want compile? |
| 16:30.02 | greycat | mfrisch: search your favorite bot/site for libssl |
| 16:30.07 | raf256 | mfrisch: perhaps install some ssl-dev thingy or libssl libssl-dev? |
| 16:30.10 | peterS | mfrisch: I suspect libssl-dev |
| 16:30.23 | raf256 | mfrisch: apt-cache search ssl | grep lib |
| 16:30.24 | theD3viL | streuner, page |
| 16:30.24 | greycat | libssl.so$ if you're particularly clever. |
| 16:30.34 | theD3viL | streuner, hplip-0.9.3 |
| 16:30.35 | theD3viL | :) |
| 16:30.36 | mfrisch | tried installl libssl-dev sarge won't install... |
| 16:30.47 | greycat | raf256: you can put more than one keyword on the apt-cache command. |
| 16:30.50 | streuner | theD3viL: its in debian |
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| 16:30.59 | theD3viL | where?? |
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| 16:31.03 | streuner | theD3viL: hplip is in debian :-) |
| 16:31.11 | streuner | !find hplip |
| 16:31.13 | dpkg | Debian Package Listing of 'hplip' (2): hplip ;; hplip-data. |
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| 16:31.36 | Azar | it is not working still booting with X |
| 16:31.38 | Azar | :( |
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| 16:32.13 | shingouz | Azar: did you mv the *dm ? |
| 16:32.14 | streuner | !info hplip |
| 16:32.17 | dpkg | hplip: (HP Linux Printing and Imaging System (hplip)), section utils, is optional. Version: 0.9.2-2 (sid), Packaged size: 376 kB, Installed size: 1580 kB |
| 16:32.18 | Azar | I am getting error messages that I need read about the soundcard and alsa.. |
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| 16:32.31 | Azar | shingouz, I have not seen any "dm" there |
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| 16:32.51 | Jacobo221 | i used to have exim to send my mails through smtp. some monehts ago I switched computers and never tried exim again. now I'm back trying to use it to send my mails to the internet, but I'm totally unable to do so. any help, conf file or url you can provide? |
| 16:32.51 | PeTeRB | Azar: What about dmesg? |
| 16:32.59 | shingouz | Azar: how about paste the contents into #flood and lets have a look |
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| 16:33.45 | Azar | shingouz, I would like to see those contents, but I am not able too, they scroll fast and then X takes over |
| 16:33.53 | shingouz | Azar: uh... ls /etc/init.d |
| 16:34.25 | PeTeRB | Azar: At what part of booting do those errors appear? |
| 16:34.30 | Azar | ok dmesg worked checking messages |
| 16:35.08 | raf256 | so.. no one knows when can I set timezone (it is o.k.) _AND_ inform debian that BIOS clock stores time in local zone time, not in GTM? |
| 16:35.20 | asg | raf256: tzconfig |
| 16:35.23 | shingouz | raf256: tzconfig? |
| 16:35.27 | raf256 | asg: I dont think so |
| 16:35.36 | raf256 | my time zone was already correct - Warsaw |
| 16:35.38 | abrocadabro | Jacobo221: dpkg-reconfigure exim4-config |
| 16:35.52 | raf256 | now it is like "Warsaw" and "BIOS have time in GTM" |
| 16:35.55 | shingouz | raf256: and the bios is also set up correctly? |
| 16:36.04 | raf256 | I want like "Warsaw" and "BIOS have time in local time (Warsaw)" |
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| 16:36.23 | asg | raf256: then use hwclock to fix the bios clock |
| 16:36.29 | shingouz | raf256: why would you like to have the local time in the bios? |
| 16:36.45 | raf256 | shingouz: because I have mother fucking windoze on same machine :/ |
| 16:36.58 | raf256 | and windoze is to fucking stupid to take BIOS time as GTM |
| 16:37.10 | paulswm | GMT |
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| 16:37.33 | shingouz | raf256: eugh. enter the bios and hack the setting there first. running tzconfig should be able to set the tz for warsaw |
| 16:37.42 | Azar | PeTeRB, right when I boot the system it is calculating modules and then starts writing findings, and I have Alsa errors but it is too fast to read |
| 16:37.50 | Azar | then X takes over |
| 16:37.57 | paulswm | Yah gotta spell it right if you're going to call Windows stupid for not recognizing it :) |
| 16:38.05 | raf256 | shingouz: but my time zone _is_ Warsaw already! |
| 16:38.15 | raf256 | I want to have warsaw+store_in_BIOS_as_local_time |
| 16:38.21 | asg | Azar: if you run sarge or later, enable bootlogd (and then you can check /var/log/dmesg and /var/log/boot.log) |
| 16:38.24 | Azar | dmesg does not show me the errors |
| 16:38.26 | raf256 | now I have: warsaw_store_in_BIOS_as_GTM |
| 16:38.34 | raf256 | and tzconfig changes only the first part of the problem |
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| 16:38.42 | paulswm | GMT |
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| 16:38.46 | beeblebrox87 | hmm, i just inadvertently removed /etc/ld.so.conf |
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| 16:38.52 | PeTeRB | Azar: Also check /var/log/kern.log and /var/log/messages |
| 16:38.56 | shingouz | raf256: it is GMT not GTM |
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| 16:39.06 | asg | beeblebrox87: restore from backups |
| 16:39.11 | beeblebrox87 | can anybody privmsg me theirs/paste it in #flood? |
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| 16:39.23 | beeblebrox87 | asg: i don't backup /etc |
| 16:39.24 | asg | beeblebrox87: /usr/X11R6/lib (that's all it contains usually) |
| 16:39.35 | raf256 | so how can I told debian to read/store time in BIOS hw clock _as_ local-time (not GMT) |
| 16:40.00 | shingouz | hwclock? |
| 16:40.12 | paulswm | hwclock |
| 16:40.24 | bbrazil | raf256: /etc/default/rcS |
| 16:40.29 | shingouz | baseconfig perhaps? |
| 16:40.38 | yaccobb | where is the top-level kernel source directory please ? |
| 16:40.47 | greycat | raf256: /msg dpkg set the time |
| 16:40.54 | raf256 | WE HAVE A WINNER |
| 16:41.03 | shingouz | yaccobb: /usr/src/linux* usually |
| 16:41.06 | raf256 | bbrazil: exacly. /etc/default/rcS and there UTM=no |
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| 16:41.14 | shingouz | raf256: works? |
| 16:41.15 | greycat | UTM is wrong. |
| 16:41.19 | greycat | it's UTC. |
| 16:41.22 | raf256 | heay UTC |
| 16:41.35 | raf256 | it should work now, it will take 4 reboot to make shure though :) thnx |
| 16:41.37 | Azar | I wish I disable X at startup.. |
| 16:41.42 | greycat | Azar: /msg dpkg nodm |
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| 16:43.32 | kingsley | Is it possible to find the tree of all packages that end up depending on a certain one? |
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| 16:44.02 | furrywolf | kingsley: of course it's possible. |
| 16:44.16 | kingsley | How? |
| 16:45.15 | Delph | kingsley: apt-rdepends, or something like that? |
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| 16:45.57 | Delph | oh, wait, that's the packages that this depends on. |
| 16:46.16 | paulswm | !qotd110 |
| 16:46.16 | dpkg | < cOLDrIPPA> ok, i had logged into Debian correct and typed the user and pass now it is in like dos mode for windows anyone help |
| 16:46.30 | bob2 | !swip |
| 16:46.49 | renzoppp | hi :) what is preference use elinks or lynx ? |
| 16:47.06 | peterS | renzoppp: whichever you want. I use elinks because it does frames and tables |
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| 16:47.15 | peterS | renzoppp: oh yeah, and tabs |
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| 16:48.41 | peterS | what is beyond lunch? |
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| 16:48.54 | furrywolf | dinner? |
| 16:48.57 | Azar | hmm so if I remove the xdm altogether, how do I get to check Alsa after I fix it? |
| 16:49.04 | renzoppp | The point is used the best browser and security browser |
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| 16:49.14 | furrywolf | azar: xdm and alsa aren't related? |
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| 16:49.28 | oguz | hi |
| 16:49.40 | renzoppp | not import support frames |
| 16:49.50 | Jacobo221 | abrocadabro: k, gonna try right now |
| 16:49.55 | Azar | furrywolf how do I check the sound if I will not have an desktop manager? |
| 16:50.10 | renzoppp | only security and minor packages obviously ;) |
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| 16:50.16 | PeTeRB | Azar: Erm. Play a sound from the console? :) |
| 16:50.20 | BucWheat | !dpkg find debsplash |
| 16:50.26 | Azar | I am having sound / alsa related errors, that the X hostile takeover will not let me see |
| 16:50.26 | dpkg | Debian Search of 'debsplash' (1): (/boot/grub/splashimages/debsplash.xpm.gz) in admin/grub-splashimages. |
| 16:50.34 | BucWheat | hrmm |
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| 16:50.50 | oguz | i plugged a second hard disk as primary slave and formatted it with ext3 and want to write files it with my ordinary user. I wrote this line to the fstab: /dev/hdb1 /home/oguz/win_c2 ext3 rw,user,noauto 0 0 |
| 16:50.50 | Azar | PeTeRB, that is an interesting concept, how do you play from a console? |
| 16:51.00 | PeTeRB | aplay |
| 16:51.00 | furrywolf | azar: there's no relation between sound and desktop managers... |
| 16:51.08 | peterS | cplay |
| 16:51.10 | furrywolf | or display managers |
| 16:51.12 | oguz | although the ordinary user can mount it it can not copy files |
| 16:51.23 | Azar | so how do I play a .mod, or .it file? |
| 16:51.33 | oguz | what should i do to make the drive writable for user |
| 16:51.33 | moeen | Azar, did you test alsaconf |
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| 16:51.46 | kingsley | Delph: apt-rdepends -r -p <package-name> | grep -i -v notinstalled | less |
| 16:51.55 | Azar | moeen, the only error I can look at is "no sound cards.." |
| 16:52.18 | Azar | my VT82xx sound chip is not configured I guess for working with alsa |
| 16:52.29 | PeTeRB | Is the Shift+PgUp/PgDn scrolling in the console a kernel feature? |
| 16:52.29 | moeen | Azar, you don't see any sound card when run alsaconf ? |
| 16:52.34 | Azar | I need to see those errors clearly |
| 16:52.37 | moeen | Azar, (in su mode) |
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| 16:53.21 | Delph | kingsley: haha! i knew it was that =:) |
| 16:53.23 | Azar | I did chose my via82xx |
| 16:53.28 | Delph | just didn't notice the -r option. |
| 16:53.31 | Azar | but at bootup it does not find it |
| 16:53.42 | kingsley | Delph: Thanks for the tip. |
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| 16:53.50 | Azar | hmm maybe I should switch to "legacy" |
| 16:54.00 | Azar | since I do not have PnP |
| 16:54.17 | FarrisG | anyone know of any good sites for datasheets on nvidia chips or oem LCD displays in dell laptops? |
| 16:54.27 | yaccobb | can i view 'CONFIG_MTRR=y' instead of 'MTRR (Memory Type Range Register)' in make menuconfig when compiling kernel ? |
| 16:54.38 | furrywolf | datasheets? yeah, right. Sign the NDA here... |
| 16:55.04 | hackel | When I try to boot after upgrading kernel-image, I get "no program vgchange found for your correct version of lvm"...not even Google knows about this error! That's unheard of! |
| 16:55.12 | FarrisG | Really??? I thought datasheets were supposed to be widely available for those? |
| 16:55.17 | yaccobb | all option of coure not only CONFIG_MTRR. |
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| 16:55.50 | BucWheat | how can i prevent bootup errors/warnings from showing at bootup? something is causing my bootsplash to exit out of silent mode prematurely |
| 16:55.52 | peterS | yaccobb: yeah, hit "?" |
| 16:56.08 | BucWheat | when i shutdown the bootsplash works perfectly, progress bar and all |
| 16:56.31 | BucWheat | could someone please help me out with the initial loading of bootsplash ? |
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| 16:57.54 | Lee__ | wow, Debian has an interactive bootsplash? |
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| 16:58.06 | BucWheat | yea |
| 16:58.07 | gaoxing | 有没有人说ä¸æ–‡ |
| 16:58.10 | ircdevil | _food_ |
| 16:58.13 | Lee__ | neat |
| 16:58.28 | hackel | Can I make it look just like Windows 95?!? |
| 16:58.35 | BucWheat | well it isn't debians per se but it works |
| 16:58.53 | Joe7Dice | hm, rtl8139-diag says that my nic is halfduplex (and also tx and rx disabled..), how can is change it easily? |
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| 16:59.08 | bbrazil | Joe7Dice: ethtool, mii-tool |
| 16:59.21 | bbrazil | Joe7Dice: if the other end doeesn't support it though you're out of luck |
| 16:59.35 | Crasp | Joe7Dice: rtl8139 is half duplex i think |
| 16:59.50 | yaccobb | peterS, um, i didn't found anything in help... can YOU tell me how ? my head's empty after 4 hour os unsuccesful trying... |
| 16:59.53 | hackel | BucWheat, If it's not Debian's "per se", then I'd say you're asking in entirely the wrong place. |
| 17:00.04 | DF64 | Hi There, I've got a problem with my ATI it works with VESA Mode but I really need a resolution of 1650x1080, because of my monitor. What can I do? |
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| 17:00.27 | furrywolf | tried the "ati" driver? what card is it? |
| 17:00.27 | bbrazil | Crasp: its full duplex, I've got a few of them |
| 17:00.29 | yaccobb | DF64, i am just working on it... wh tcard do you have ? |
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| 17:00.40 | Joe7Dice | bbrazil that should..it's in a quite good hostingroom.. |
| 17:00.47 | DF64 | yaccobb, its a X800XL |
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| 17:00.55 | bbrazil | Joe7Dice: auto-negotiation should do it itself |
| 17:00.56 | Crasp | bbrazil: ah, well i got tired of them and replaced them with eepro100's :) |
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| 17:01.17 | BucWheat | hackel debian devs support the bootsplash project so i can ask in here |
| 17:01.20 | Crasp | bbrazil: the cpu interruption at high speeds is really terrible |
| 17:01.25 | yaccobb | DF64, http://xoomer.virgilio.it/flavio.stanchina/debian/fglrx-installer.html try that... |
| 17:01.26 | bbrazil | Crasp: I've gotten 91MB/s out of them (ftp with 98 over switch) |
| 17:01.35 | DF64 | furrywolf, X800XL, is the ati driver in the dselect? |
| 17:01.42 | bbrazil | s/B/b/ |
| 17:01.46 | Crasp | ah :) |
| 17:01.46 | yaccobb | peterS, please... |
| 17:01.55 | njan | bbailey, out of 8139s? |
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| 17:02.01 | njan | s/bbailey/bbrazil/ |
| 17:02.02 | peterS | yaccobb: I don't understand your question. you asked how to see CONFIG_MTRR, I said hit '?' in menuconfig. |
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| 17:02.19 | bbrazil | njan: one 8139, the other card is onboard via |
| 17:02.32 | Crasp | bbrazil: but i assume that almost everything else is terribly slow when running on 91Mb/s |
| 17:02.39 | njan | bbrazil, that's impressive; I didn't think 8139s were capable of more than about 1600kb/s |
| 17:02.56 | Crasp | bbrazil: the eepro's interrupt the cpu only 1/8th of the time the rtl8139's do :) |
| 17:03.12 | bbrazil | Crasp: I haven't noticed, I don't do big transfers too often |
| 17:03.14 | njan | bbrazil, I've tested them in windows and linux and they always top out at that.. 3com/eepro both give me ~9700kb/s on a crossover wire, slightly less over a decent switch |
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| 17:04.03 | bbrazil | njan: something very wrong there. what does bing say? |
| 17:04.04 | Crasp | njan: over here eepro -> 3com switch -> eepro always gives 11MB/s with ftp |
| 17:04.05 | Joe7Dice | hm..high transferrate kills my load too with rtls :/ |
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| 17:04.32 | DF64 | yaccobb, a nice way to start, thank you! |
| 17:04.37 | njan | Crasp, I always use scp, which probably explains the difference ;) |
| 17:04.44 | Crasp | Joe7Dice: better get some 3com's or intels.. they don't interrupt your cpu that often |
| 17:05.06 | Crasp | njan: hmm to do 9700KB/s with scp you need a fat ass cpu i think |
| 17:05.07 | yaccobb | DF64, If you do it, please tell me, i am unable to configure kernell right:( |
| 17:05.08 | bbrazil | njan: do you mean b (bits) or B (bytes) ? |
| 17:05.16 | njan | bbrazil, haven't tried it, give me a second and I'll test |
| 17:05.19 | njan | bbrazil, bytes. |
| 17:05.35 | bbrazil | Crasp: ssh/scp has an inbuilt buffer that stops any kind of high speed |
| 17:05.36 | Crasp | njan: overe here scp from athlon xp3000+ to sempron 2200+ gives about 7/8MB/s max |
| 17:05.43 | DF64 | yaccobb, i will try it as soon as possible.. but first.. i must read the whole stuff.. ;) |
| 17:06.08 | yaccobb | DF64, that's prehaps error i did;D |
| 17:06.54 | njan | Crasp, I'm sure I've gotten 9700 between a p4-m 2200 and a p3 1000 before with a bcm4400/3c90something before now |
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| 17:10.49 | hackel | Does anyone know about any LVM or mkinitrd problems? I am unable to boot my system anymore because I get "no program vgchange found for your current version of lvm" when booting. |
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| 17:11.41 | peterS | hackel: what kernel version? |
| 17:12.19 | peterS | hackel: if recent, have you got lvm2 installed, and a sufficiently recent initrd-tools to know about it? |
| 17:12.34 | hackel | peterS, 2.6.{8-1-386,8-1-k7,11-1-k7}, I don't think it's related to the kernel version itself as opposed to the initrd. |
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| 17:13.02 | hackel | peterS, Both are latest from unstable, and I've never had any trouble before through many kernel-image upgrades, etc. |
| 17:13.04 | peterS | hackel: what was the most recent kernel that worked with this? |
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| 17:13.35 | hackel | peterS: all of the currently installed kernels worked, though I don't recall which Debian revision of the package it was. |
| 17:14.10 | njan | 10.0.20.239: 24.976Mbps 0.041ms 0.040039us/bit |
| 17:14.10 | njan | 10.0.20.239: 26.256Mbps 0.039ms 0.038086us/bit |
| 17:14.21 | njan | bbrazil, that's about what I'm consistently getting. |
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| 17:14.44 | njan | bbrazil, That's two hosts, both p4s with >512mb of ram, one bcm4400 and one rtl9138, through one (gigabit) switch. |
| 17:14.59 | Lee__ | njan: not bad |
| 17:15.40 | hackel | I'll try to install 2.8.3-13 from testing and see if that helps, but it seems that it's still an initrd-tools or lvm problem. I just don't know why I'm the only one experiencing it! |
| 17:15.47 | Azar | while on XmmS > Preferences > ALSA> Configure should I name the Audio device to my VT8233 , or leave "defalut" ? |
| 17:16.04 | njan | I get 60.235Mbps 0.017ms 0.016602us/bit to a gigabit machine on the same switch from the bcm4400, but the gigabit machine's probably being pummeled at the moment, because it's fairly busy ;) |
| 17:16.19 | PeTeRB | njan: With what did you measure that? |
| 17:16.36 | njan | PeTeRB, bing, bbrazil asked me what bing said :p |
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| 17:19.27 | Jacobo221 | how is it that exim4-config doesn't depend on exim4 ??? |
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| 17:19.31 | TerrorCorp | Hi |
| 17:19.38 | mysurfguide | Does anybody in here know if debian is going to realease a deb for php5 anytime soon, for sarge(testing)? |
| 17:19.53 | eye69 | Notlikely. |
| 17:19.54 | Delph | mysurfguide: highly unlikely that it'll be in sarge. |
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| 17:20.05 | mysurfguide | that sucks |
| 17:20.07 | eye69 | mysurfguide: Compile it yourself if you want it. |
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| 17:20.18 | mysurfguide | leaves me that option, will do eye, ty |
| 17:20.33 | Delph | mysurfguide: wait for sarge to release, then all these things will get into testing |
| 17:20.50 | mysurfguide | well im on sarge right now, but its still in testing envo so |
| 17:21.02 | bob2 | well, except php5 isn't in sid even |
| 17:21.05 | bob2 | mysurfguide: sarge is way frozen |
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| 17:21.17 | mysurfguide | I can see that, bud sid is latest yes? |
| 17:21.31 | bob2 | yes |
| 17:21.35 | bob2 | and sid doesn't have php5 either |
| 17:21.40 | mysurfguide | thats odd |
| 17:21.47 | Gnea | hrm |
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| 17:22.05 | mysurfguide | well woody is pretty much dead |
| 17:22.16 | steve__ | hey- where do i put codecs for totem? |
| 17:22.24 | xpato | can i use broadcast betwen 2 lans? |
| 17:22.25 | Gnea | mysurfguide: depends on your definition of 'dead' |
| 17:22.29 | mysurfguide | true ginea |
| 17:22.38 | bob2 | xpato: why? |
| 17:22.42 | mysurfguide | I guess if you want it as solid as you can get it there must be a grey zone |
| 17:22.50 | steve__ | yeah- woody has moggots coming out of its eyes |
| 17:23.02 | steve__ | do you guys have jobs? |
| 17:23.07 | Gnea | that's usually how it works good :) |
| 17:23.11 | xpato | bob2, to know |
| 17:23.15 | mysurfguide | anybody in here familiar with the stability of gentoo? just a general question. |
| 17:23.16 | PeTeRB | steve__: I don't |
| 17:23.20 | Delph | mysurfguide: it's not stable. |
| 17:23.22 | steve__ | student? |
| 17:23.22 | bob2 | xpato: no, a lan is defined as a broadcast domain |
| 17:23.25 | essobi_ | PFFFT jobs?! |
| 17:23.32 | mysurfguide | I figured it would be in its testing stage |
| 17:23.38 | Delph | mysurfguide: in the debian definition of stable. |
| 17:23.43 | asg | jobs == money == well stocked beer fridge |
| 17:23.43 | PeTeRB | steve__: I'm 15 :| |
| 17:23.50 | mysurfguide | the emerg system seems really nice though |
| 17:23.53 | steve__ | 15? shouldn't you be in school?!? |
| 17:23.55 | Gnea | steve__: yes |
| 17:23.57 | essobi_ | lol |
| 17:24.00 | Gnea | steve__: i have a job |
| 17:24.02 | PeTeRB | steve__: At 8pm? |
| 17:24.09 | xpato | thx |
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| 17:24.17 | kingsley | Slashdot.org reports on an appellate ruling that the existence of an encryption program" on the defendants computer could be admitted as evidence of criminal intent. |
| 17:24.22 | steve__ | 8pm? d00d, its 10:30 AM!!!!!! |
| 17:24.22 | chealer | !unrar |
| 17:24.22 | chealer | !no, unrar is a non-free package and a command used to extract .rar archives, in stable and unstable. ask me about unrar-free |
| 17:24.22 | chealer | !unrar-free is an unarchiver for .rar files that can't handle archives in the RAR 3.0 format, which is by far the most used RAR format (ask me about unrar for 3.0). in main unstable |
| 17:24.22 | chealer | BTW, will either unrar make it in sarge? |
| 17:24.22 | dpkg | In unstable, unrar has been reimplemented as Free software (see <dfsg>). The new unrar package cannot read V3 RAR files. If you need that functionality, use the unrar-nonfree package, in the non-free section.. Woody: unrar, Sarge: unrar-nonfree |
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| 17:24.23 | dpkg | okay, chealer |
| 17:24.25 | mysurfguide | ive been using debian for 2 years now, and out of all BSD's ive ran, even SCO (unix). I find debian more stable since I dont do cluster machines |
| 17:24.38 | mysurfguide | however, I am interested in trying out the HURD kernel as I havent yet |
| 17:24.41 | bob2 | haha sco unix |
| 17:24.42 | asg | !give chealer the lagger of the day award |
| 17:24.43 | dpkg | give chealer the lagger of the day award |
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| 17:24.49 | MrKeuner | hi, is there a way to find out when I installed my debian box? |
| 17:24.50 | mysurfguide | yeah bob thats what I said when I got it |
| 17:24.52 | mysurfguide | lol |
| 17:24.52 | chealer | doh |
| 17:24.54 | PeTeRB | steve__: Never heard of timezones? :P |
| 17:25.01 | kingsley | Unfortunately, kde, gnome and 208 packahes depend on gnupg or pgp-us. |
| 17:25.14 | steve__ | i heard of timezones- so are you in england? |
| 17:25.15 | kingsley | s/packahes/packages/ |
| 17:25.30 | essobi_ | mysurfguide What BSDs did you run? :) |
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| 17:25.38 | mysurfguide | open and free essobi |
| 17:25.39 | PeTeRB | steve__: Latvia. A small country in east Europe ;) |
| 17:25.43 | essobi_ | Stability also has a lot to do with choices of hardware. |
| 17:25.43 | steve__ | really |
| 17:25.46 | MrKeuner | it is probably somewhere between 1 to 2 years but I need the exact date when I installed my debian base system. |
| 17:25.49 | steve__ | whats it like in latvia? |
| 17:25.53 | mysurfguide | I found them working better in large clusters then in single pair machines |
| 17:26.00 | mysurfguide | for single pair machines I run debian |
| 17:26.06 | PeTeRB | steve__: It's OK |
| 17:26.09 | mysurfguide | currently have 7 boxes of debian running at home |
| 17:26.12 | essobi_ | I had 4 freebsd boxes with 4 digit uptimes and solid loads of .8 to 1.0 |
| 17:26.22 | mysurfguide | that's cool essobi |
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| 17:26.32 | steve__ | ok? what age do girl typically get married in latvia? |
| 17:26.42 | essobi_ | wtf is latvia? |
| 17:26.48 | mysurfguide | im in sweden and here it is 18 |
| 17:26.51 | PeTeRB | essobi_: A country. |
| 17:26.55 | mysurfguide | lettland, latvia, lithuania. |
| 17:26.59 | dfzi | mysurfguide, uhh. no. |
| 17:27.01 | steve__ | girls typically marry at 18? |
| 17:27.07 | essobi_ | w=where.. you have to look at that in context |
| 17:27.08 | dfzi | estland, latvia, lithuania. |
| 17:27.10 | mysurfguide | dfzi, uhh no what? |
| 17:27.19 | PeTeRB | mysurfguide: Lithuania isn't Latvia |
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| 17:27.25 | mysurfguide | ah sorry, lettland is latvia in swedish |
| 17:27.28 | essobi_ | :) |
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| 17:27.40 | TerrorCorp | bye |
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| 17:27.46 | mysurfguide | lithuania is not latvia? |
| 17:27.47 | dfzi | mysurfguide, that's the legal age when ppl can get married in northern countries like norway, sweden and finland. but i think the age when people DO get married is like 21-25? |
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| 17:28.02 | KoopaPoopa | hey everyone |
| 17:28.04 | steve__ | in america people are now getting married at like 30 |
| 17:28.05 | mysurfguide | could be truye dfzi, depends on the couple getting married |
| 17:28.15 | PeTeRB | mysurfguide: Nope. Lithuania is a neighbouring country |
| 17:28.16 | furrywolf | steve: don't you mean 17? |
| 17:28.24 | mysurfguide | ah I see, interesting... never knew that |
| 17:28.31 | mysurfguide | estonia, lithuania, and latvia? |
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| 17:28.38 | furrywolf | what with all the news reports of kids getting pregnent at 12 and all... |
| 17:28.40 | steve__ | in america? no. people are getting married when they are like 30 |
| 17:28.43 | KoopaPoopa | i cant disable my onboard soundcard in the BIOS, but its terrible... how do i go about choosing my other one as the main card? |
| 17:28.43 | PeTeRB | mysurfguide: Baltic states - yes |
| 17:28.55 | mysurfguide | I dont even know our nordic states peter. |
| 17:29.02 | mysurfguide | ive spent too much time in the states |
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| 17:29.13 | steve__ | its messing up society. kids never get to know their grandparents |
| 17:29.29 | steve__ | people get married with like 50 previous sexual partners |
| 17:29.37 | mysurfguide | good choice furry. |
| 17:29.53 | dfzi | renzoppp, :D |
| 17:29.57 | mysurfguide | unfortunately most of the people can only find the right woman in perspective after marrying wrong ones. |
| 17:29.57 | Delph | society is based on knowing your grandparents? |
| 17:30.01 | dfzi | fuck |
| 17:30.01 | furrywolf | resiak: sorry, but I think you're the only one here who likes children. |
| 17:30.02 | mysurfguide | lol delph |
| 17:30.08 | dfzi | resiak, :) |
| 17:30.19 | cahoot | Delph: not a totally wrong assumption |
| 17:30.20 | mysurfguide | I never met mine |
| 17:30.31 | mysurfguide | didnt know I had any |
| 17:30.32 | mysurfguide | lol |
| 17:30.35 | Delph | cahoot: I'll survive without mine. |
| 17:30.50 | cahoot | Delph: you wouldn't live without them |
| 17:30.55 | steve__ | well, like the parents never leave their kids off at the grandparents and have "quality time" |
| 17:31.03 | steve__ | so everyone is depressed and on prozac |
| 17:31.06 | pngwn | if your grandparents don't run debian they are off topic in here ;) |
| 17:31.07 | furrywolf | I theoretically have a grandparent left, but I've never met him. |
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| 17:31.14 | mysurfguide | and in depression rooms on yahoo 24/7 |
| 17:31.21 | dfzi | furrywolf, theoretically? |
| 17:31.28 | mysurfguide | or literally? |
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| 17:31.50 | steve__ | i'll stop if you tell me where to put codecs for totem and xine! |
| 17:31.53 | resiak | furrywolf: Well, I could take your joke as not being a joke and say "of course I do, I'm 18" ;-) |
| 17:31.53 | furrywolf | dfzi: without knowing where he is, etc, it's rather hard for me to know I still have one. :P |
| 17:32.01 | mysurfguide | doesnt totem has a homepage steve? |
| 17:32.04 | steve__ | no |
| 17:32.11 | mysurfguide | that suckz |
| 17:32.13 | steve__ | i RTFM, googled it |
| 17:32.21 | dfzi | furrywolf, but you still know he's alive? |
| 17:32.26 | dfzi | oh wait, sorry. she. |
| 17:32.27 | steve__ | !totem has no homepage |
| 17:32.32 | steve__ | !totem |
| 17:32.32 | dpkg | somebody said totem was a gnome movie player that uses libxine. |
| 17:32.36 | mysurfguide | thats fucked up steve |
| 17:32.40 | furrywolf | dfzi: what did I just say? |
| 17:32.45 | steve__ | yeah- way messed up |
| 17:32.49 | Azar | I do not have a bootlogd, how do I create it ? |
| 17:32.52 | mysurfguide | anybody in here familiar with ferite engine? |
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| 17:32.54 | dfzi | furrywolf, i don't know. end of discussion. i'm shpongled. |
| 17:33.06 | mysurfguide | dfzi wtf is shpongled?LOL |
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| 17:33.49 | dfzi | mysurfguide, C(heck)F(rom)T(he)F(ucking)G(oogle) |
| 17:34.01 | steve__ | !botabuse |
| 17:34.01 | dpkg | lay off me you buggerererers!!11! |
| 17:34.07 | yaccobb | please help me, i need to find CONFIG_TMPFS and CONFIG_FB in make menuconfig... |
| 17:34.09 | MrKeuner | is there a log where I can see the debian package installed first ever on my debian system? |
| 17:34.12 | dfzi | !shpongled |
| 17:34.20 | dfzi | oh, that's too ad. |
| 17:34.22 | dfzi | +b |
| 17:34.26 | mysurfguide | thats shpongled? C(heck)F(rom)T(he)F(ucking)G(oogle) ? |
| 17:34.30 | PeTeRB | Azar: Edit /etc/default/bootlogd and then after you reboot, you'll have a /var/log/boot file ;) |
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| 17:34.47 | dfzi | mysurfguide, you might want to have your IQ-test retaken... |
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| 17:34.50 | steve__ | !permasunday |
| 17:34.50 | dpkg | All days in #debian will remain Sunday until further notice. Unfortunately, outside #debian the world keeps turning, so you still have to get up and go to work. Welcome to PermaTardsday!, or http://www.lyricsfreak.com/m/morrissey/96007.html |
| 17:35.05 | mysurfguide | not me dfzi, I asked what it meant... not to look on google :) |
| 17:35.10 | lilalinux | Are there cross compiler packages for the target StrongARM? |
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| 17:35.20 | Spec | oh, it's sunday today? |
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| 17:35.37 | green_earz | MrKeuner: you use dpkg -l to list whats installed on the box |
| 17:35.37 | Spec | why am I at work? |
| 17:35.43 | dfzi | mysurfguide, shpongled. being outside in the shpongled universe. so i'm shpongled. shpong-shpong-shpongo. |
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| 17:35.58 | mysurfguide | ah, I see |
| 17:36.09 | dfzi | no you cannot see it. it can only be seen by hearing. :< |
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| 17:36.26 | mysurfguide | dfzi, really? |
| 17:36.52 | dfzi | positive. |
| 17:36.57 | mysurfguide | good |
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| 17:37.58 | MrKeuner | green_earz/ so? |
| 17:38.25 | Spec | PeTeRB: did it work? |
| 17:38.29 | resiak | !info bong |
| 17:38.32 | PeTeRB | Spec: No. |
| 17:38.33 | mrbuckets | breedingmmmm |
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| 17:38.36 | resiak | !+info bong |
| 17:38.37 | dpkg | Package 'bong' does not exist. |
| 17:38.40 | Spec | PeTeRB: :-/ |
| 17:38.50 | PeTeRB | I wanted to isntall bing :/ |
| 17:38.57 | flowed | Hi |
| 17:39.02 | Spec | Package 'bong' should be like snort, and filter packets |
| 17:39.07 | green_earz | MrKeuner: as first installed i do not know how you could find that out. but whats installed dpkg -l |
| 17:39.12 | pureone | how could i find out how many bytes my homedir is using ? |
| 17:39.20 | wargre | df |
| 17:39.20 | furrywolf | du -s ~/ |
| 17:39.21 | Spec | du |
| 17:39.21 | wargre | du |
| 17:39.23 | mysurfguide | true spec |
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| 17:39.24 | Spec | man du |
| 17:39.28 | pureone | thanks |
| 17:39.41 | flowed | ive problem with my audigy2, i have no input options in the mixer like capture, line-in and mic |
| 17:39.51 | flowed | with 2.6.11.10 and alsa |
| 17:40.01 | flowed | only output |
| 17:40.22 | Spec | <3 business card iso |
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| 17:41.18 | cahoot | flowed: what mixer? |
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| 17:41.32 | flowed | alsamixer alsamixergui gnome-alsamixer, at all |
| 17:41.37 | flowed | kmix |
| 17:41.38 | flowed | all |
| 17:41.46 | flowed | no output things |
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| 17:42.24 | cahoot | flowed: are the options present in asound.state? |
| 17:42.24 | flowed | with my sb-live all was ok |
| 17:42.25 | tarzeau | jethro, jharrison there? |
| 17:42.42 | jethro | yes |
| 17:42.44 | jethro | just arrived |
| 17:42.56 | tarzeau | bubble? |
| 17:43.03 | MrKeuner | /var/log/installer.log can this file most possibly have the same date I installed my system? |
| 17:43.05 | mysurfguide | lol |
| 17:43.07 | jethro | are you ready for not being the worst bubnbros player on the map? |
| 17:43.19 | tarzeau | jethro: you secretly trained? |
| 17:43.30 | jethro | tarzeau: yeah now I just eat crap items |
| 17:43.35 | cahoot | flowed: any capture entries in /proc/asound/pcm? |
| 17:43.40 | LinuxNIT | hey guys when i try to burn a audio cd in K3b the cd either wont play or the quality deteiorates on each trak any one know why? oh yeah i can burn data cds just fine |
| 17:43.52 | mysurfguide | got a prob with my nvidia card on this box, it keeps giving me xf86 missing DRI error, and I figured it was kernel, yes? |
| 17:44.05 | tarzeau | jethro: i start the server, usual place |
| 17:44.07 | jethro | tarzeau: I m joining the server now |
| 17:44.13 | MrKeuner | LinuxNIT/ I had similar problem when I used sox to convert from mp3 to cdr |
| 17:44.17 | flowed | cahoot: yes its in the file |
| 17:44.22 | flowed | example: capture |
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| 17:44.29 | LinuxNIT | ok |
| 17:44.35 | MrKeuner | LinuxNIT/ I used mpg321 instead |
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| 17:45.02 | greycat | n=1; while read file; do mpg321 --cdr /tmp/$(printf %02d $n).cdr "$file"; let n++; done < myplaylist |
| 17:45.10 | wargre | mysurfguide: take a look at nvidia www |
| 17:45.11 | mysurfguide | Q?. how do I register a name here on freenode? |
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| 17:45.19 | greycat | mysurfguide: /msg nickserv help |
| 17:45.19 | mysurfguide | ty will check it out wargre |
| 17:45.23 | mysurfguide | ty grey |
| 17:45.32 | LinuxNIT | MrKeuner, you used mpeg321 for burning? |
| 17:45.54 | MrKeuner | LinuxNIT/ no |
| 17:45.55 | wargre | someone know how to debug a module? |
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| 17:45.56 | greycat | LinuxNIT: it's an MP3 decoder. |
| 17:46.02 | LinuxNIT | oh ok |
| 17:46.06 | greycat | wargre: #kernelnewbies |
| 17:46.08 | MrKeuner | LinuxNIT/ for converting mp3s to cdr format |
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| 17:47.38 | LinuxNIT | ok i'll give that a try thanks guys |
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| 17:49.09 | prozac | is there a good discussion board for debian ? |
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| 17:49.33 | mysurfguide | question on changing pswd, I did /msg nickserv identify XXXXX , and it says I already got identified, just gotta change pswd |
| 17:49.45 | streuner | prozac: debianplanet.org |
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| 17:49.57 | greycat | prozac: a debian package that YOU can use to create a web forum, or an existing web forum where you can ask about Debian? |
| 17:50.06 | greycat | !VAGUENESS |
| 17:50.06 | dpkg | VAGUENESS MAKES THE BABY JESUS CRY! |
| 17:50.36 | prozac | asking questions about debian |
| 17:50.42 | greycat | !win streuner |
| 17:50.43 | dpkg | Congratulations, streuner! You have won second prize in a beauty contest! |
| 17:50.49 | streuner | haha |
| 17:50.53 | mysurfguide | lol |
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| 17:51.08 | streuner | prozac: is IRC and ML's aren't enough? |
| 17:51.18 | ubuntu | hi |
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| 17:52.01 | PeTeRB | mysurfguide: /msg nickserv help |
| 17:52.02 | green_earz | prozac: get your self on the dedian-user mailing list |
| 17:52.14 | prozac | lol |
| 17:52.37 | prozac | well after getting used to the gentoo discussion board i miss it with the debian community |
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| 17:53.03 | greycat | and you can't use streuner's suggestion |
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| 17:53.39 | jagerman | Having to visit Gentoo's discussion board is a horrible experience |
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| 17:53.55 | mysurfguide | so far how do you like gentoo compared to deb? |
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| 17:54.15 | jagerman | The search is almost completely useless, and any vaguely useful thread quickly becomes 600 pages long |
| 17:54.19 | prozac | Streuner: thanks this link is awesome |
| 17:54.25 | reed[away] | Does anyone know if there is a virtual package for "some kind of JRE" ? |
| 17:54.32 | prozac | I like Gentoo better so far |
| 17:54.38 | asg | reed: /msg dpkg java-package |
| 17:54.46 | mysurfguide | how is the stability? |
| 17:54.52 | streuner | here we go... |
| 17:54.53 | prozac | as stable as debian |
| 17:55.01 | prozac | a little faster |
| 17:55.13 | streuner | !gentoosmite prozac |
| 17:55.16 | MobyTurbo | prozac: there's www.debianhelp.org |
| 17:55.27 | mysurfguide | hmm, might give it a try on one of my dev boxes |
| 17:55.31 | reed | I just want to add something like "Recommends: jre" to my package that includes some java stuff. |
| 17:55.37 | jvw | or forums.debian.net as a startup forum :) |
| 17:55.47 | asg | reed: java-runtime, java2-runtime |
| 17:55.59 | reed | ah |
| 17:56.01 | Delph | reed: join #debian-java if you're developing packages --they're the people to ask. |
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| 17:56.32 | jetscreamer | gentoo docs rock |
| 17:56.36 | mysurfguide | another question which might sound stupid, ive spent some time off track. but about half a year ago there was a "scream" about the official sources at debian being cr4cked. what really happened? |
| 17:56.46 | MobyTurbo | Gentoo is even more of a time-waster than IRC. (Did I just say that?) |
| 17:57.00 | reed | Thanks asg and Delph. |
| 17:57.07 | jetscreamer | some servers were comprimised, they were taken down to bare metal iirc |
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| 17:57.11 | asg | mysurfguide: someone sniffed a password and accessed a number of machines. |
| 17:57.16 | streuner | jetscreamer: have you ever see debian.org/doc/ ? |
| 17:57.20 | mysurfguide | thats all? |
| 17:57.20 | jetscreamer | pramised? |
| 17:57.38 | asg | mysurfguide: yes, but all machines that were touched had to be check and rebuilt (it took a week or so.) |
| 17:57.43 | jetscreamer | streuner: it doesn't stick in my mind, so maybe not |
| 17:57.48 | jvw | reed: yeah, #debian-java is a better place to ask, then |
| 17:57.48 | asg | s/check/checked/ |
| 17:58.00 | jetscreamer | streuner: are you going to chastise me yet again? :) |
| 17:58.03 | mysurfguide | I see asg, so the network was still intact ? |
| 17:58.15 | streuner | jetscreamer: http://www.nl.debian.org/doc/ |
| 17:58.16 | asg | mysurfguide: yes |
| 17:58.17 | mysurfguide | it wasnt a leaphole then. |
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| 17:59.25 | streuner | jetscreamer: if you reading those docs in 10 years you are not lazy ;-) |
| 17:59.37 | mysurfguide | after all my years in security engineering I have to say that in the hands-of-the-beholder on a kernel its up to the owner to steer the wheels,, but as far as distros go I have recommended debian and used it for analyzing in an over-all favorite. |
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| 18:00.08 | jetscreamer | i read fast |
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| 18:01.29 | Azar | hmm the only message pertaining I could found is : Setting up ALSA.../etc/inint.d/alsa: Warning: 'alsactl restore' failed with error message 'alsactl: load_state:1267: No soundcards found...'. done. |
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| 18:01.49 | Azar | I have no idea what the message tries to tell me |
| 18:01.53 | mysurfguide | can you get any sound at all azar? |
| 18:02.06 | Azar | mysurfguide: no |
| 18:02.13 | Azar | not a squeak |
| 18:02.23 | mysurfguide | check your IRQ's for conflicts... |
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| 18:02.54 | Azar | I remember I had same issue back last year when I was using sid, someone else fixed it for me but never told me how to or what he did |
| 18:03.02 | jetscreamer | Azar: 2.4 or 2.6 |
| 18:03.06 | Azar | 2.6.8 |
| 18:03.11 | jetscreamer | kernel |
| 18:03.13 | Azar | the precompiled one |
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| 18:03.14 | mysurfguide | I had the same issue a while back, and mine was on 2.6.8 as well. |
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| 18:03.25 | jetscreamer | have you tried the alsa-bork factoid |
| 18:03.34 | mysurfguide | it turned out being the IRQ ports , I moved the soundcard over to another slot and voila. |
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| 18:03.55 | Azar | I do not have a sound "card" |
| 18:04.05 | jetscreamer | doesn't matter |
| 18:04.09 | Azar | just a VIA Tech board with integrated chip |
| 18:04.14 | jetscreamer | have you tried the alsa-bork factoid |
| 18:04.18 | mysurfguide | I see, can you reserve the address of the soundcard in the bios? |
| 18:04.27 | greycat | Azar: lspci | grep audio |
| 18:04.30 | Azar | wohoo, I do not think I have to open up the box just to get a sound |
| 18:04.30 | mysurfguide | normally it is shared. |
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| 18:04.37 | eliteforce^ | hi |
| 18:04.44 | jetscreamer | jesus |
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| 18:04.51 | eliteforce^ | does anybody know, how to add a mounted iso file to the apt-get sources.list ? |
| 18:04.52 | jetscreamer | ok g'luck Azar |
| 18:05.12 | kaiowa | how could i know the dev of my dvdrom?? |
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| 18:05.25 | asg | kaiowa: dmesg |
| 18:05.36 | jetscreamer | i think it can use the file:// format |
| 18:05.43 | Azar | greycat, no reply to lspci | grep sound |
| 18:05.45 | multi_io | is there a way, in a Debian system with all packages set to "hold", to upgrade a package and (as necessary) its dependencies, and then automatically set all those packages to "hold" again? |
| 18:05.57 | Azar | oh audio |
| 18:05.59 | asg | multi_io: just apt-get install the package |
| 18:06.01 | green_earz | kaiowa: look in cat /etc/fstab |
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| 18:06.33 | multi_io | asg: oh |
| 18:06.37 | eliteforce^ | jetscreamer: simply add "file://path/to/mnt/" in sources.list ? |
| 18:06.41 | jetscreamer | just change deb file:///cdrom/ sarge main to file:///mnt/whaterver/whatever/ |
| 18:06.51 | jetscreamer | maybe |
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| 18:07.13 | multi_io | asg: ok, thanks. Is it possible to do that with "dselect" as well? |
| 18:07.16 | eliteforce^ | and do i have to point to a subdir or simply the mount point? |
| 18:07.32 | Azar | <PROTECTED> |
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| 18:07.46 | asg | multi_io: I don't know, I've never used dselect |
| 18:07.48 | jetscreamer | i'd go with the corresponding file structure, i don't know what it looks like so i can't tell you |
| 18:07.53 | flowed | cahoot: re |
| 18:07.56 | rossi | I only need a javac do I need to get the whole 100 mb+ of sun's jdk? |
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| 18:08.14 | Delph | rossi: install gcj then. |
| 18:08.14 | flowed | in /proc/asound/card0 (audigy) is no pcm dir only pcm0c ..... |
| 18:08.19 | rossi | delph |
| 18:08.21 | Azar | at the bootup the Audio shows ok and it is loaded successfully it seems alsa cannot find it |
| 18:08.21 | rossi | I did |
| 18:08.39 | jetscreamer | !tell Azar about alsa-bork |
| 18:08.40 | cahoot | flowed: any capture entries in /proc/asound/pcm |
| 18:08.42 | Delph | rossi: then what's the problem? |
| 18:08.44 | jetscreamer | and use modconf |
| 18:08.48 | Azar | thanks jetscreamer |
| 18:08.57 | Azar | so modconf would be the answer :) |
| 18:08.59 | rossi | but it doesn't compile my .java I have tried on another debian with jdk and there the file has been compiled |
| 18:09.07 | Delph | "it can't find the libraries" "then you'll want to get that file from sun". |
| 18:09.10 | yaccobb | what 'The changelog says we are creating 2.4.27-2-386, but I thought the version is 2.4.27' mean when compiling kernel ? |
| 18:09.15 | jetscreamer | use modconf to load the modules |
| 18:09.20 | Delph | rossi: it's highly likely there was an error message. |
| 18:09.36 | Azar | yep only if I am lucky to guess the right ones, should I M or builtin? |
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| 18:09.56 | eliteforce^ | jetscreamer: there's a pool folder in the iso with main, restricted subfolders |
| 18:10.02 | rossi | delph should I install gcj again? |
| 18:10.14 | flowed | cahoot: yes.... 3 capture devices ... |
| 18:10.15 | valdyn | eliteforce^: #ubuntu |
| 18:10.32 | cahoot | flowed: /proc/asound/card0/pcm0c - is a capture device (look at the info file) |
| 18:10.36 | grill | hello everyone |
| 18:10.47 | Delph | rossi: since you got an error message, that will be more useful to read and understand, than randomly reinstalling programs. |
| 18:10.51 | eliteforce^ | valdyn: yes, im on debian and ubuntu :P |
| 18:11.13 | cahoot | flowed: tried moving away the old asound.state and start from fresh with a mixer? |
| 18:11.21 | rossi | I am sure that my java file is correct |
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| 18:11.26 | yaccobb | Delph, so can you make me understand my error message ? |
| 18:11.33 | yaccobb | :-P |
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| 18:11.45 | grill | can i upgrade the kernal with apt-get? |
| 18:11.45 | valdyn | rossi: you should quote the error message |
| 18:11.55 | valdyn | grill: sure |
| 18:12.01 | grill | how? |
| 18:12.03 | rossi | I have no internet at home |
| 18:12.07 | rossi | what a pitty |
| 18:12.11 | mysurfguide | could someone tell me some good tools for IRC clients? |
| 18:12.22 | cahoot | keyboard |
| 18:12.26 | greycat | brain |
| 18:12.27 | asg | mysurfguide: irssi-text and some perl hacking |
| 18:12.30 | valdyn | rossi: then it appears theres no error for us to help you with ) |
| 18:12.36 | rossi | yes |
| 18:12.37 | Delph | rossi: i refuse to attempt to debug your problem without an error message. |
| 18:12.40 | rossi | I understand |
| 18:12.44 | Delph | otherwise it's random flailing =:) |
| 18:12.47 | flowed | cahoot: ive purged it and the asound.state was deleted |
| 18:12.48 | valdyn | grill: apt-get install <kernel-image> |
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| 18:12.55 | valdyn | grill: apt-cache search kernel-image |
| 18:12.56 | rossi | it said something with syntax or similiar |
| 18:12.58 | mysurfguide | ty asg, will check it out |
| 18:13.00 | paulswm | !prize greycat |
| 18:13.01 | flowed | subdevices_avail: 1 |
| 18:13.05 | flowed | in the info file |
| 18:13.11 | grill | ty very much |
| 18:13.24 | renzoppp | some person has HP StorageWorks DAT40 DDS4 ?? |
| 18:13.52 | rossi | I thought that it was an error cause gcj is not up do date with the code it said that main method would be missing |
| 18:14.05 | cahoot | flowed: obviously the devices are there (at least formally) - no idea why they don't show up in any mixer prog |
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| 18:14.15 | yahalom | if my pppoe (adsl) disconnects how to do i reconnect it without restarting the pc? |
| 18:14.19 | valdyn | rossi: gcj --help , man gcj, read the part on where you specify the "main" method on the command line |
| 18:14.24 | rossi | but not every java program need public static void main I think or? |
| 18:14.34 | quitte | yahalom: pon dsl-provider |
| 18:14.35 | Tak | <PROTECTED> |
| 18:14.42 | rossi | ok |
| 18:14.42 | Tak | rossi - EVERY java program |
| 18:14.47 | valdyn | rossi: certainly every "program" does need a main method |
| 18:15.00 | yahalom | quitte, eactly that? |
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| 18:15.06 | renzoppp | some person has HP StorageWorks DAT40 DDS4 ?? |
| 18:15.10 | yahalom | quitte, to quit off dsl-provider? |
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| 18:15.19 | yahalom | quitte, i meant poff? |
| 18:15.22 | Gnea | renzoppp: nope |
| 18:15.23 | quitte | yahalom: poff -a |
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| 18:15.37 | cahoot | flowed: I suppose there are no mic or capture entries in asound.state? if they exist one could edit the values 'by hand' |
| 18:15.44 | Gnea | !tell renzoppp about ask |
| 18:15.44 | K_Dallas | Would there be any advantage to uninstall cdrecord from sarge and install the official one? |
| 18:15.53 | paulswm | renzoppp: evidently not. |
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| 18:15.55 | yahalom | quitte, thanx |
| 18:15.56 | quitte | yahalom: it works for me. if you set it up with pppoeconf i think that'S the default name. otherwise it's whatever you named it |
| 18:16.00 | renzoppp | Gnea: hmm :( |
| 18:16.08 | valdyn | K_Dallas: does your sarge cdrecord not function correctly? |
| 18:16.17 | Gnea | renzoppp: get specific, someone might know |
| 18:16.33 | K_Dallas | valdyn, i cannot use cdrecord on command line but k3b works fine! |
| 18:16.44 | greycat | K_Dallas: why can't you? |
| 18:16.50 | K_Dallas | i cannot even do scanbus |
| 18:16.55 | greycat | because...? |
| 18:16.58 | valdyn | K_Dallas: sounds like a pebkac |
| 18:17.10 | K_Dallas | kernel is 2.6.8 |
| 18:17.10 | valdyn | K_Dallas: cdrecord -dev=ATAPI -scanbus |
| 18:17.11 | Azar | hmmm interesting, it could not install MPU-401 device module: MPU-401 device not found or device busy (Xserver is disabled for now) FATAL: Error inserting snd_mpu401: no such device. FATAL: Error running install command for snd_mpu401 |
| 18:17.21 | K_Dallas | let me check it valdyn |
| 18:17.40 | valdyn | K_Dallas: or simply do "cdrecord -dev=/dev/hdc ( or whichever hdx your cdrom is ) |
| 18:17.44 | K_Dallas | ok, now i see something :) |
| 18:17.55 | K_Dallas | valdyn, i did your 2nd suggestion, did not work |
| 18:18.15 | valdyn | K_Dallas: why did it 'not work'? |
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| 18:18.45 | K_Dallas | let me run a test, i think i missed the "-" in my command |
| 18:19.20 | valdyn | K_Dallas: "cdrecord -dev=/dev/hdc file.iso" |
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| 18:20.30 | cahoot | flowed: one other thing - you have only one soundcard on the system - no dummy device or such? |
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| 18:20.57 | valdyn | flowed: like a winmodem? |
| 18:21.05 | rossi | I have here the java file |
| 18:21.10 | rossi | is there a paste bot? |
| 18:21.18 | asg | !paste |
| 18:21.18 | dpkg | from memory, paste is Do not paste into the channel. Use #flood , visit http://channels.debian.net/paste/ , or try /msg paster help. don't eat this stuff. |
| 18:21.19 | rossi | where I could paste it |
| 18:21.27 | flowed | cahoot: ive the onboard intel 8x sblive an my hauppauge tv-card |
| 18:21.28 | SquireCD | Hello, friends. I've been using Apache 1.3.x for years. It's nothing important. It's just my personal website that I host from my linux box in my living room. But, I've been wondering lately if I should upgrade to Apache2. What do you think? |
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| 18:21.35 | cahoot | flowed: easlliy check by looking into /proc/asound/cards |
| 18:21.36 | yahalom | quitte, is there an pppoe plugin so i can connect and disconnect my adsl? |
| 18:21.38 | flowed | so 3 |
| 18:21.44 | asg | SquireCD: if it ain't broke, don't fix it |
| 18:21.50 | flowed | all is working only the audigy makes problems |
| 18:21.52 | Tak | SquireCD - if it ain't...ahh @ asg |
| 18:21.56 | valdyn | SquireCD: there's no reason to break/change a running system. |
| 18:22.01 | cahoot | flowed: make sure you run alsamixer on correct card |
| 18:22.17 | flowed | i do |
| 18:22.22 | flowed | its correct |
| 18:22.30 | cahoot | flowed: alsamixer -c0,1 or 2 |
| 18:22.33 | SquireCD | asac Tak valdyn : so, until it destroys itself... there's no real reason to upgrade? Apache2 isn't that much better? |
| 18:22.40 | rossi | mybe I am a bit silly but there is no main method or like someone said that I should specify gcj where the main method starts http://channels.debian.net/paste/165 |
| 18:22.47 | Tak | SquireCD - IMO |
| 18:22.53 | Gnea | SquireCD: it depends what you want to do. |
| 18:23.03 | flowed | -c0 |
| 18:23.16 | valdyn | SquireCD: there's no "better" its newer and it has new features, that doesn't mean its better for you. |
| 18:23.16 | SquireCD | Gnea: That's the thing. I don't know what the new features are. Is faster? better? more secure? more spiffy nerd stuff? |
| 18:23.18 | flowed | Card: Sound Blaster Audigy2_Value |
| 18:23.23 | asg | SquireCD: the only reason to use apache2 that I've found so far is for mod_python or subversion. If you don't use those, there really isn't much point. |
| 18:23.33 | Gnea | SquireCD: it's all explained on the webpage - http://httpd.apache.org |
| 18:23.34 | Azar | what is the difference between snd-mpu401-uart ( I am about to remove ) and snd-mpu401 ( I am about to install instead ) ? |
| 18:23.48 | SquireCD | asac: I don't use python but what is subversion? |
| 18:23.50 | cahoot | flowed: ok |
| 18:23.56 | Tak | I would guess that snd-mpu401 uses snd-mpu401-uart |
| 18:23.56 | SquireCD | Gnea: I will check it out. :) Thanks |
| 18:24.00 | rossi | the second file looks like that http://channels.debian.net/paste/166 |
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| 18:24.11 | rossi | only in this one is the main method |
| 18:24.12 | asg | SquireCD: a source code control system (like CVS) |
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| 18:24.20 | SquireCD | asac: Oh, I don't need that. |
| 18:24.21 | Azar | Tak I have the feeling I cannot have both |
| 18:24.29 | K_Dallas | valdyn, greycat it seems to be working, yet i get the warning: Drive returns wrong startsec (0) using -150 |
| 18:24.31 | valdyn | rossi: java programming issues are probably better discussed in a java forum / channel |
| 18:24.45 | rossi | cause gcj |
| 18:24.46 | K_Dallas | thanks guys |
| 18:24.47 | rossi | sorry |
| 18:24.57 | rossi | I need to compile |
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| 18:25.26 | Azar | Tak it is something new here, I am trying to setup modules the ones I already have seem not display my audio card well enough so ALSA can see it |
| 18:25.29 | valdyn | rossi: we cant really solve gcj issues when you dont specify the error.. |
| 18:25.42 | yaccobb | How can i start an application on gnome start ? for example gaim... |
| 18:25.53 | greycat | Azar: uh. ALSA *is* modules. |
| 18:26.07 | valdyn | rossi: i suspect that you did _not_ specify the main method, which gcj requires you to do but suns java does not. |
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| 18:55.41 | pipeline | wargre: Transgaming is still trying to keep their tree in sync, but they're doing a lousy job of it. |
| 18:55.42 | yaccobb | greycat, oh I read it bad.. yes, I am already using that FAQ, but there is recompilation needed. |
| 18:55.53 | pipeline | wargre: I doubt they'll last more than another year or two before they're too obsolescent to keep up |
| 18:56.04 | yaccobb | if I compile from make-kpkg kernel_image it don't use my current kernel settings ? |
| 18:56.14 | wargre | pieline ok |
| 18:56.20 | gurubie | Installing totem, thanks all. |
| 18:56.25 | jnk | isn't there any gothic font in debian? |
| 18:56.33 | wargre | pipeline but u say that wine natively have directX extention? |
| 18:56.34 | valdyn | pipeline: you mean: they don't have enough manpower to maintain the non-directx stuff? |
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| 18:57.03 | asg | jnk: apt-cache search gothic |
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| 18:57.40 | gurubie | valdyn, It is an .iso file so image. Thanks. |
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| 18:59.49 | pipeline | valdyn: How can they massively duplicate effort and still merge in new material? |
| 19:00.05 | pipeline | valdyn: Their business model was predicated on the work of the winehq project, like crossover. |
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| 19:00.37 | pipeline | valdyn: Unlike crossover, they were complete dicks about it, ultimately forcing the WineHQ developers to make their license change in order to end the madness. |
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| 19:00.52 | pipeline | wargre: Yes, to some extent. Most non-Direct3d directX games work fine. |
| 19:01.11 | gurubie | Oh man! Totem said needs plug in. I'm a little confused why it (file.iso in mpg for dvd-r) only works form comand line "mplayer file.iso". It does not play in wide screen and needs to be so how do I bring it up in a player that's wisdscreen capable? Kaffine? It wasn't in Sid. |
| 19:01.14 | pipeline | wargre: For example, Warcraft 3 works great in regular wine (and even better if you run war3.exe -opengl) |
| 19:01.26 | pipeline | gurubie: Use vlc. |
| 19:01.43 | yaccobb | hehe, ok, I try to reboot with my first compiled kernel... perhaps i'll be back":-P |
| 19:01.44 | pipeline | gurubie: vlc is by far, bar none, the best VCD / DVD / SVCD player for UNIX. |
| 19:02.03 | wargre | pipeline: unfortunatly i play with mmpg which seems completly witten with dx :( |
| 19:02.09 | valdyn | gurubie: mplayer -aspect 16:9 ... |
| 19:02.29 | jnk | asg, that's about asian fonts |
| 19:02.38 | jnk | asg, don't know why they call them gothic... |
| 19:02.54 | valdyn | gurubie: or even -aspect 2.11:1 or whatever... |
| 19:03.03 | gurubie | Ah, yes it was mentioned, (sorry) and I see it is available. Thanks for your help. Cool Valdyn, thanks. |
| 19:04.23 | Azar | what exactly modprobe does? |
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| 19:04.34 | valdyn | Azar: man modprobe |
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| 19:04.49 | Azar | valdyn, I did that but I seem not to understand it |
| 19:05.12 | valdyn | Azar: then ask a proper question, I'm not going to spoonfeed |
| 19:05.25 | Azar | :) ok sorry valdyn |
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| 19:05.52 | Azar | I got it |
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| 19:06.34 | flowed | cahoot: ive the 24bit audigy2 ... the card is supported correct with 2.6.12-rc5 but rc5 want build so i wait for the .12 release |
| 19:06.47 | OleMoudi | how can I see for how long it's been the system installed? |
| 19:06.59 | Azar | wow I might have removed some modules with modprobe and never realized that |
| 19:07.09 | valdyn | OleMoudi: you cant i think |
| 19:07.15 | yaccobb | oou, 'kernel panic, can't mount root something'. bah. |
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| 19:07.42 | greycat | !debian kernel image |
| 19:07.43 | dpkg | <hexxeh|work> 99% of people in here who compile their own kernels are idiots, who don't know what they did, or did it badly. debian kernel images exist for a reason. |
| 19:08.07 | Melior | meh |
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| 19:08.20 | Melior | well i dunno how to get my cpu fan working |
| 19:08.21 | yaccobb | greycat, that's true... ok, i try that ATI-kernel. |
| 19:08.32 | valdyn | OleMoudi: though, ls -l /root/install-report.template reports the date for my system |
| 19:08.48 | Melior | where can i activate acpi ? |
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| 19:09.09 | greycat | Melior: you can activate it on a plane. you can activate it on a train. ... |
| 19:09.16 | Melior | naab |
| 19:09.19 | OleMoudi | valdyn, thanks |
| 19:09.24 | directhex | i activate acpi on the bus, personally |
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| 19:09.31 | wargre | !prize melior |
| 19:09.40 | Melior | greyloser just tell me how to get it on |
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| 19:10.48 | Melior | does someone knows HOW to get acpi on |
| 19:10.54 | Melior | and not WHERE |
| 19:11.10 | Melior | hmm |
| 19:11.23 | directhex | what do you mean by "get acpi on". acpi covers a lot of functionality |
| 19:11.27 | K_Dallas | Melior, one place i know of is then you boot, something like this acpi=force |
| 19:11.35 | Melior | well look |
| 19:11.38 | valdyn | Melior: acpi is used, it isnt switched on |
| 19:11.48 | Melior | my laptop is an armada 1500c |
| 19:11.56 | Melior | when i do cpu burn test |
| 19:12.04 | sepski | Melior, i just load the modules im interested in using |
| 19:12.05 | Melior | ut doesnt turn on the cpu fan |
| 19:12.14 | yaccobb | um, what 'depmod: *** Unresolved symbols in /lib/modules/2.4.27-2-386/misc/fglrx.o.dpkg-tm' mean please ? |
| 19:12.27 | Melior | yeah where can i load it |
| 19:12.32 | directhex | yaccobb, it means your kernel module was compiled for a different kernel to the one you're running |
| 19:12.37 | sepski | Melior, as any other kernel module |
| 19:12.38 | Melior | in gentoo it was make menuconfig or something like that |
| 19:12.43 | directhex | sigh. let me power up the laptop |
| 19:12.55 | yaccobb | directhex, what can I do with it ? |
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| 19:13.08 | directhex | yaccobb, nothing. it's useless, and needs recompiling |
| 19:13.19 | valdyn | Melior: you realise that make menuconfig configures your linux kernel? |
| 19:13.34 | Melior | yeah i needed to that on gentoo |
| 19:13.37 | Melior | to turn on acpi |
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| 19:13.55 | yaccobb | i tryied recompining and.. guess what happend. um, can you help me with that ? |
| 19:13.57 | greycat | 12:39 + yaccobb [~yaccobb@ova-84-242-95-93.nat.karneval.cz] joined #debian |
| 19:13.57 | greycat | 12:40 yaccobb> where is the top-level kernel source directory please ? |
| 19:14.05 | greycat | You can ALWAYS tell the ones that are unhelpable. |
| 19:14.20 | Melior | and windows just sucks |
| 19:14.25 | valdyn | yaccobb: didnt you see the was your 1st or 2nd day on linux? or was that someone else? |
| 19:14.27 | directhex | slowlaris! |
| 19:14.31 | valdyn | s/see/say/ |
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| 19:14.49 | Melior | if i use windows i can use 1slot for gameserver all other cpu for windows |
| 19:14.53 | greycat | An intelligent user would have said, "Hi, I have an ATI 9842.14159265 card and I'm running sarge with 2.4.27-2-386 and I want to use the ATI drivers with it." |
| 19:14.54 | sepski | Melior, you could add it to /etc/modules, try loading them manualy with modprobe first |
| 19:15.14 | yaccobb | greycat, um, i thing it's '/usr/src/kernel-source-2.4.27' ? |
| 19:15.24 | yaccobb | *think |
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| 19:15.44 | Melior | sepski |
| 19:15.45 | greycat | yaccobb: um, I think it's "http://stanchina.net/~flavio/debian-fglrx-modules/index.html" and then "http://stanchina.net/~flavio/debian-fglrx-modules/fglrx-kernel-2.4.27-2-386_8.12.10-1+2.4.27-8_i386.deb" or whatever. |
| 19:15.49 | valdyn | yaccobb: if your final goal isnt to compile something, then you probably dont care where it is. |
| 19:15.50 | greycat | BUT NO, that would be too fucking easy. |
| 19:15.52 | Melior | what do i need to put into the list |
| 19:15.54 | greycat | Gotta be l33t and compile shit. |
| 19:16.08 | directhex | greycat, but all the cool kids compile shit |
| 19:16.14 | yaccobb | valdyn, I affraid it wa me:( but i need that in order to get graphics work... what can I do. |
| 19:16.33 | directhex | i appear to ahve a kernel module named "fan" loaded, Melior |
| 19:16.47 | greycat | yaccobb: have you EVEN GIVEN US ONE SINGLE MEASLY LITTLE DETAIL, EVER, AT ALL? About ANYTHING? |
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| 19:16.50 | sepski | Melior, first you try loading the kernel modules you want manualy with modprobe, if they function as you expected, you add the kernel modules names to /etc/modules to have them loaded at boottime |
| 19:17.03 | valdyn | yaccobb: get the precompiled debs from flavios site |
| 19:17.07 | valdyn | !ati drivers |
| 19:17.08 | dpkg | If you wish to use ATI's closed-source binary fglrx driver, then follow the instructions on http://stanchina.net/~flavio/debian/fglrx-installer.html - do NOT try to convert the drivers from ATI's website yourself with Alien. These drivers support Radeon 8500 or higher cards. |
| 19:17.13 | greycat | yaccobb: have you even TRIED using all the things I've spoonfed you? |
| 19:17.16 | Melior | Max-Laptop:~# modprobe |
| 19:17.16 | Melior | modprobe: Nothing to load ??? |
| 19:17.16 | Melior | Specify at least a module or a wildcard like \* |
| 19:17.16 | Melior | Max-Laptop:~# |
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| 19:17.24 | Melior | lol |
| 19:17.25 | yaccobb | greycat, only half.. |
| 19:18.09 | Azar | hmm someone wrote in a forum that he removed oss and now alsa is working ok for him |
| 19:18.30 | greycat | Azar: /msg dpkg blacklist |
| 19:18.33 | sepski | Melior, you are allowed to try to read a bit for yourself, we cant hold your hand when your server crashes |
| 19:18.38 | valdyn | Azar: thats possible, but a silly stupid hack, debians alsa packages deactivate oss, which is enough. |
| 19:18.45 | Azar | ok greycat |
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| 19:19.11 | greycat | valdyn: I had to blacklist the i810_audio driver on one laptop because the sarge kernels Oopsed and crashed (hard) when that driver was loaded. |
| 19:19.25 | Melior | well normaly someone helps me |
| 19:19.30 | valdyn | greycat: alsa-base blacklists it |
| 19:19.30 | Melior | but he is away |
| 19:19.35 | Azar | is that 'foo' a real keyword? |
| 19:19.43 | greycat | valdyn: only if you can get that far. |
| 19:19.44 | Melior | and someone els cant help to busy |
| 19:19.45 | Azar | omg im dumb |
| 19:19.50 | valdyn | greycat: true |
| 19:20.00 | sepski | Melior, so your dependant on someone on irc ? i dont think i would be confortable with that kind of job security |
| 19:20.30 | greycat | sepski: wasn't he the one that made a lame question, then replied to my joke by calling me "greyloser", thus earning a nice little subvocal *plonk*? |
| 19:20.40 | Melior | well if people help i learn it |
| 19:20.49 | Melior | i learned gentoo a little |
| 19:20.57 | Melior | but needed to use debian |
| 19:21.15 | Melior | gentoo didint turned my screen off |
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| 19:21.25 | Melior | debian works fine with it |
| 19:21.34 | Melior | but not with my cpu fan |
| 19:21.53 | rob_lt | Anyone have a suggestion for a good visual network mapping utility? I'm looking for a program that I fire up and it detects all the machines on my network, and allows me to scan them for open services. |
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| 19:21.58 | gigabytes | hi |
| 19:22.01 | rob_lt | I've tried cheops, but I find it a little flaky |
| 19:22.12 | gigabytes | how can I see which files of a package are configuration files? |
| 19:22.17 | yaccobb | greycat, Ok, i give you detail. I am tring to run my ATI drivers by guide of http://xoomer.virgilio.it/flavio.stanchina/debian/fglrx-installer.html. I foolishly tryied to do my compilation(as in howto) after dpkg of fglrx-kernel-2.4.27-2-386_8.12.10-1+2.4.27-8_i386.deb writes error i writed above. Say what deatils you need to help me. |
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| 19:23.11 | yaccobb | greycat, you know, I am tring everythin whole day so my head is blank, sorry for that. |
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| 19:23.46 | Melior | damn |
| 19:23.46 | valdyn | yaccobb: why are you still trying to compile anything? |
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| 19:24.10 | yaccobb | valdyn, i did that after everything else. |
| 19:24.14 | greycat | yaccobb: 1) what version of debian, 2) what kernel, 3) what video card. Those are the BASIC DETAILS anyone would need to answer your questions. |
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| 19:26.16 | sgmihai | where do i set up an http proxy for apt_get ? |
| 19:26.28 | yaccobb | greycat, Ok, that's better. I have sarge 2.4.27-2-386, and my card is ATI Radeon 9250 pro. |
| 19:26.34 | greycat | sgmihai: /etc/apt/* or export http_proxy=... |
| 19:27.02 | gurubie | vlc is cool but Ive looked all over and tried entering diff asspect and still it retains 4:3 when it need to be wider to not be streched and there no brightness adj. What method or app should I try next? |
| 19:27.04 | valdyn | yaccobb: uname -r |
| 19:27.13 | greycat | yaccobb: and when you typed "dpkg -i fglrx-kernel-2.4.27-2-386_...." you got an unresolved symbol error? |
| 19:27.31 | yaccobb | greycat, many unsolved symbol errors. |
| 19:27.55 | PeTeRB | sgmihai: Put 'ACQUIRE::http::Proxy "http://proxy:port";' in /etc/apt/apt.conf |
| 19:28.04 | greycat | well, maybe flavio fucked up. who knows. |
| 19:28.04 | yaccobb | valdyn, um, uname -r is mention above... |
| 19:28.10 | greycat | why not just live without 3d? |
| 19:29.03 | yaccobb | exactly, who knows. I don't know and I am pretty hopeless |
| 19:29.11 | gurubie | I did find some numerical brightness setting. |
| 19:29.40 | sgmihai | is this correct: export http_proxy="http://proxy.com:port" ? right syntax ? |
| 19:29.41 | valdyn | yaccobb: install fglrx-kernel-src if you havent |
| 19:29.52 | yaccobb | valdyn, ok, i try |
| 19:30.07 | PeTeRB | sgmihai: I think so |
| 19:30.17 | greycat | sgmihai: missing a trailing slash |
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| 19:30.28 | sgmihai | where ? |
| 19:30.29 | yaccobb | valdyn, no, it's already instaled |
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| 19:30.47 | Gothfunc- | getting problems with smbfs, playing mp3s from a folder on the windows machine using mp3blaster, and sometimes the music stops and i get an error (see http://pastebin.com/289674 for the error). running debian sarge under vmware, the windows machine is the host machine |
| 19:31.00 | Gothfunc- | winxp |
| 19:31.10 | valdyn | yaccobb: good, install your kernel-headers 'apt-get install kernel-headers-$(uname -r)' and module-assistant ( apt-get install module-assistant ) |
| 19:31.44 | sgmihai | what is the netstat command ? |
| 19:31.45 | yaccobb | i have them both. m-a don't work for some reason. but can try again |
| 19:31.51 | sgmihai | umm, to show active connections |
| 19:32.25 | Azar | greycat, my /etc/discover.d/alsa-base skips ALL modules including my audio driver module |
| 19:32.27 | yaccobb | valdyn, perhaps i choosen bad header... |
| 19:32.30 | PeTeRB | sgmihai: man netstat |
| 19:33.02 | valdyn | yaccobb: you arent picking the headers really, so they cannot be bad in that sense |
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| 19:33.51 | valdyn | yaccobb: apt-get --reinstall install kernel-image-2.4.27-2-386 |
| 19:34.06 | yaccobb | valdyn, ok |
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| 19:34.53 | greycat | Azar: I don't use ALSA. I can't stand it. I consider it overhyped, overengineered, flaky crap. |
| 19:35.20 | valdyn | yaccobb: after that, reboot to that kernel and try m-a or the precompiled driver / deb again |
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| 19:36.02 | yaccobb | valdyn, durning inst there was some 'depmod: *** Unresolved symbols' errors. |
| 19:36.25 | valdyn | yaccobb: thats expected, just reboot |
| 19:36.31 | yaccobb | valdyn, ok, i reboot |
| 19:36.37 | Azar | greycat, oh |
| 19:36.39 | simonrvn | hi |
| 19:36.41 | Jackalope_ | The documentation for fdisk says there is a limit of 4 primary partitions. Is that per drive or overall? |
| 19:36.48 | sepski | per drive |
| 19:36.55 | sepski | naturally :) |
| 19:37.11 | Azar | my only concern is about playing .xm and .it files, I am not sure if oss will do that |
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| 19:37.28 | Jackalope_ | I just wasn't sure. I've never created more than 3 across the total number of drives. Thanks sepski |
| 19:37.32 | valdyn | Azar: why do you think oss does not support midi? |
| 19:37.34 | simonrvn | that's for x86 |
| 19:37.35 | greycat | Azar: what the HELL do you think the sound device driver would matter when it comes to decoding audio formats to PCM?? |
| 19:37.46 | greycat | valdyn: oh, those are MIDI? |
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| 19:38.06 | gurubie | Can I mount the iso file (of mpg for dvd-r) and then run it with totem for aspect control? |
| 19:38.07 | Azar | yes greycat some form of midi |
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| 19:38.23 | valdyn | greycat: xm is a midi format and alsa a format of some tracker files from amiga/atari times |
| 19:38.24 | elvirolo | hi all |
| 19:38.25 | greycat | Azar: what card is it? |
| 19:38.27 | Azar | they are the only type of music I listen to |
| 19:38.32 | gurubie | ...or do I need to mount it and pull the mpg out somehow? |
| 19:38.38 | Azar | via82xx |
| 19:38.47 | valdyn | s/alsa/also/ |
| 19:38.47 | Glitch_Master | Azar: If you didn't know, midis are synthesized composed music. All sound systems will support them. What matters is the program that reads the midi files and synthesizes the instruments. |
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| 19:39.04 | valdyn | Azar: it doesnt look to me like you had a h/w midi synth |
| 19:39.05 | h | blarg |
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| 19:39.24 | Azar | valdyn: h/w ? |
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| 19:39.32 | elvirolo | i'm trying to make entrance (cvs) become my default login manager ... so I did update-rc.d entranced start 99 2 3 4 5 . stop 01 0 1 6 . but it says /etc/init.d/entranced does not exist |
| 19:39.34 | Glitch_Master | What you need to be asking is, does OSS support Timidity (or whatever you're using)? |
| 19:39.37 | elvirolo | can anyone help me? |
| 19:39.44 | saudi-linux | is progeny the same as debian or what???? |
| 19:39.54 | simonrvn | no |
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| 19:39.55 | sepski | !tell elvirolo about ask |
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| 19:39.58 | valdyn | Azar: hardware, like by roland / yamaha or in cheap by soundblaster |
| 19:40.03 | dondelelcaro | no, MIDI is just an interface specification that sends events from different devices. |
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| 19:40.27 | valdyn | Azar: so what you need is something like fluidsynth or timidity to "emulate" that |
| 19:40.28 | dondelelcaro | the files themselves don't necessarily have a specific format, they're just a recording of events. |
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| 19:40.33 | Azar | valdyn, I used to have alsa and running xmms last year when I was trying "sid" |
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| 19:40.44 | elvirolo | sepski, have i done something wrong ? i'm sorry if i have :( |
| 19:40.44 | Azar | ..I mean it used to work |
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| 19:41.00 | orchid | elvirolo: you installed entrance from cvs? |
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| 19:41.07 | elvirolo | orchid, yes |
| 19:41.12 | hans_ | Hi there |
| 19:41.17 | saudi-linux | is progeny the same as debian or what???? |
| 19:41.18 | yaccobb | valdyn, fglrx-kernel-2.4.27-2-386_8.12.10-1+2.4.27-8_i386.deb, ok ? |
| 19:41.26 | hans_ | Is there any program to change your resolution? |
| 19:41.30 | valdyn | yaccobb: looks ok |
| 19:41.42 | hans_ | I've modified XFree config already |
| 19:41.46 | gurubie | valdyn, The aspect setting for mplayer did not alter the view of this video from 4:3 (that wants wider.) |
| 19:41.47 | orchid | elvirolo: this is why its not in /etc/init.d |
| 19:41.48 | greycat | hans_: startx |
| 19:41.48 | elvirolo | hans_ : you have to edit your XFree86.conf file |
| 19:41.56 | greycat | elvirolo: XF86Config-4 |
| 19:42.01 | elvirolo | orchid : oh i see |
| 19:42.08 | hans_ | greycat, elvirolo: done that already |
| 19:42.13 | elvirolo | greycat, of course, sry |
| 19:42.15 | greycat | hans_: read the log, then. |
| 19:42.18 | saudi-linux | does progeny the same as debian or what???? |
| 19:42.20 | BucWheat | !seen deadcat |
| 19:42.21 | dpkg | deadcat is currently on #debian (14h 24m 14s). Has said a total of 16477 messages. Is idling for 10h 15m 29s |
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| 19:42.31 | hans_ | greycat: where can i find the log |
| 19:42.32 | elvirolo | saudi-linux not it's not |
| 19:42.32 | sepski | elvirolo, dont wory about that, it was just some friendly advice. |
| 19:42.34 | pipeline | saudi-linux: Progeny is a company based in indianapolis that creates custom distribution forks. |
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| 19:42.40 | yaccobb | valdyn, nope, still unresolved symbols. |
| 19:42.43 | valdyn | gurubie: that can be an issue with your ( non existant ) hardware scaling, try '-vo xv' |
| 19:42.44 | elvirolo | sepski, ok :) |
| 19:43.05 | valdyn | yaccobb: try m-a then |
| 19:43.23 | elvirolo | orchid, how can i add it then ? |
| 19:43.27 | orchid | elvirolo: does the source code have a debian directory? the one you got from cvs? maybe you can build a .deb and it will set it up properly for you? other than that I am not sure |
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| 19:43.35 | valdyn | yaccobb: i know nothing about flavios precompiled binary being broken or not, so i cant conclude much from that error.. |
| 19:43.55 | orchid | elvirolo: you would have to manually create the symlink otherwise I guess |
| 19:43.57 | unixfool_ | how can i tell ls to order first by file type (ie, directories then files), and alphabetically after that? |
| 19:44.07 | yaccobb | valdyn, so it usualy works ? |
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| 19:44.16 | elvirolo | orchid : it does have a debian directory |
| 19:44.21 | greycat | unixfool_: I doubt you can do that. |
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| 19:44.30 | deadcat | BucWheat: wha up. |
| 19:44.31 | elvirolo | orchid : does that mean i can create an deb package? |
| 19:44.32 | valdyn | yaccobb: no idea, i never used it |
| 19:44.34 | unixfool_ | greycat: it used to do that be default |
| 19:44.39 | greycat | unixfool_: never. |
| 19:44.46 | greycat | unixfool_: you had dirs with all caps names or something. |
| 19:44.50 | valdyn | yaccobb: now whats m-a telling? |
| 19:45.01 | saudi-linux | pipeline and elvirolo : there is a destribution called Progeny and it's uses the anaconda installer and i think it's based on debian |
| 19:45.04 | unixfool_ | greycat, hmm, don't think so |
| 19:45.08 | yaccobb | valdyn, ok. so m-a now. wait a while... |
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| 19:45.23 | unixfool_ | greycat, it never did it on bsd for me, but some of my linux boxes always did, and I never knew why |
| 19:45.25 | elvirolo | saudi-linux, it is based on debian, but it is quite different |
| 19:45.31 | greycat | unixfool_: or leading capital letters. those used to sort before lowercase letters (ASCII order), but newer coreutils ls(1) sorts A and a together. |
| 19:45.34 | orchid | elvirolo: yeah, usually you can, fakeroot debian/rules binary , but read the rules file in the debian dir |
| 19:45.50 | elvirolo | orchid, ok thanks a lot :) |
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| 19:46.32 | warnk | I just tried updating deb woody to sarge and it's all screwed up now, I get errors when I run apt-get dist-upgrade (complains about 'tar: relocation error:') anyone know how to fix this? |
| 19:46.38 | orchid | elvirolo: theres no guarantee of course it will properly set up an init.d entry but one would hope so :) |
| 19:46.43 | valdyn | !tell warnk about woody-sarge |
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| 19:46.54 | valdyn | warnk: so you used apt-get to do this? |
| 19:46.57 | saudi-linux | elvirolo different ??? such as what???? |
| 19:46.58 | Glitch_Master | Oh... I guess I don't understand midis entirely after all. My apologies. |
| 19:47.10 | yaccobb | valdyn, it says something about headers... 'module-assistant -k /usr/src/linux build fglrx-kernel-src' |
| 19:47.19 | simonrvn | saudi-linux: a lot |
| 19:47.24 | warnk | valdyn: yes, followed this: http://serios.net/content/debian/upgrade.php?stylemedia=print |
| 19:47.25 | valdyn | yaccobb: skip the -k |
| 19:47.26 | leonel | if sarge security is up why I don't get any updates from security.d.o and all come from the main repository ? |
| 19:47.35 | valdyn | yaccobb: m-a a-i flgrx... |
| 19:47.56 | simonrvn | @tell saudi-linux -about ep |
| 19:47.57 | yaccobb | valdyn, and is it right to run that from /usr/src/kernel-source-2.4.27 ? |
| 19:48.01 | greycat | leonel: we are all wondering when they'll actually upload some security updates. |
| 19:48.04 | valdyn | warnk: read what dpkg told you and do that or repeat running apt-get dist-upgrade |
| 19:48.13 | valdyn | yaccobb: it doesnt matter where you run it from |
| 19:48.41 | valdyn | yaccobb: you are however not supposed to specify a source/header tree when trying to compile for the currently running kernel |
| 19:49.07 | saudi-linux | simonrvn ?? |
| 19:49.09 | yaccobb | valdyn, oh, i followed howto. ok, i am in some dialog |
| 19:49.24 | KoopaPoopa | um, is there an easy way to switch soundcards? i can't disable my onboard one from the BIOS |
| 19:49.26 | simonrvn | read what the bot told you |
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| 19:49.37 | valdyn | yaccobb: m-a a-i doesnt bring a dialogue.. though you can go with it too |
| 19:49.39 | warnk | valdyn: dpkg doesn't say anything, and it fails on apt-get dist-upgrade |
| 19:49.49 | cureless | KoopaPoopa: you can use both. Or just define in asoundrc which one you want as the first one. |
| 19:49.52 | valdyn | !telll warnk about woody->sarge |
| 19:49.57 | valdyn | !tell warnk about woody->sarge |
| 19:50.06 | valdyn | !woody->sarge |
| 19:50.22 | simonrvn | does that even work? one would think it would hit the -> bug |
| 19:50.25 | cureless | KoopaPoopa: or just tell the apps which one to use. Be it via selecting the alsa one or dsp0 dsp1 dsp2,etc. And possibly a link from /dev/dsp |
| 19:50.32 | valdyn | warnk: apt-get install aptitude && aptitude dist-upgrade |
| 19:50.40 | cureless | KoopaPoopa: btw, that's one crapy bios. |
| 19:50.42 | furrywolf | warnk: ever get your tablet working? |
| 19:50.48 | yaccobb | valdyn, a-i ? whats that ? i ran "module-assistant /usr/src/linux build fglrx-kernel-s" |
| 19:50.51 | simonrvn | valdyn: directly address the bot when you call a factoid with a -> in it |
| 19:51.09 | KoopaPoopa | ahh... um, yeah... no sound came out when i connected my main one. assumed it was either or |
| 19:51.10 | valdyn | simonrvn: ah, thanks |
| 19:51.23 | valdyn | dpkg, tell warnk about woody->sarge |
| 19:51.26 | simonrvn | see #debian-bots /topic |
| 19:51.32 | cureless | KoopaPoopa: no way, some of us can't live with just one soundcard :-) |
| 19:51.41 | gurubie | valdyn, "mplayer -aspect 2.11:1 movie.iso" worked! This about does it. It just miss the control from Totem. Excellent job! THanks. |
| 19:51.42 | elvirolo | orchid : aaah, it's not working |
| 19:51.58 | warnk | furrywolf: not in debian, running ubuntu now and it runs perfect |
| 19:51.59 | elvirolo | orchid : i can't make it to build a deb package |
| 19:52.01 | simonrvn | i'm happy with my powermac sound. i get 4 + 1 out of it np |
| 19:52.03 | KoopaPoopa | agreed about my bios... maybe new pc time, it sounds like a jet engine too |
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| 19:52.26 | furrywolf | warnk: it didn't work even after copying the files to the PROPER locations in the kernel tree? :) |
| 19:52.37 | elvirolo | orchid : is there a way I could manually create the appropriate symlink? |
| 19:52.45 | orchid | elvirolo: any useful error? also, this is the e17 logon manager yes? |
| 19:52.57 | cureless | simonrvn: but it still is just 1 soundcard. |
| 19:52.59 | leonel | greycat, so sarge not for producction yet ? |
| 19:53.04 | yaccobb | valdyn ? Do you think it is goo idea to let it on myself ? Ok, I try then... |
| 19:53.05 | elvirolo | orchid, yeah |
| 19:53.09 | simonrvn | cureless: yeh, so? :) |
| 19:53.12 | warnk | valdyn: nope, apt-get fails on installing aptitude too. time for a clean install? |
| 19:53.17 | valdyn | gurubie: feel free to use "gmplayer" |
| 19:53.26 | elvirolo | orchid : i have to edit the controls file, because all the directory names are wrong |
| 19:53.36 | elvirolo | orchid, i'm getting a bit confused |
| 19:53.36 | Glitch_Master | xscreensaver's xanalogtv extension has been hitting an error and freezing ever since I updated the program with the latest build. xscreensaver indicates that the name of the error is "sigabrt", which I assume is "signature abort", whatever that might mean. I tried reinstalling twice, but that did nothing. |
| 19:53.37 | cureless | simonrvn: so you can't do mixing, unless you hack the 4 channels. |
| 19:53.46 | valdyn | warnk: no, why |
| 19:54.04 | Glitch_Master | Should I consult the creator, or could this be traced to something on my system? |
| 19:54.11 | simonrvn | cureless: ;) |
| 19:54.12 | valdyn | warnk: apt-get -f install or download the aptitude deb(s) from packages.debian.org and dpkg -i them |
| 19:54.27 | warnk | furrywolf: I put the files where they should be and compiled the kernel, and couldn't even get the mouse to work after that |
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| 19:54.40 | cureless | simonrvn: now all I need is to be good at it... |
| 19:54.47 | clong | I have a driver (module) that is not loading upon boot. I have to get to a terminal and type modprobe i810 every time in order to have video. I have added the module to /etc/modules and it still does not load upon boot. Any suggestions? |
| 19:54.56 | yaccobb | valdyn, hehe, there is couple of module source packages... any suggestions whose to choose ? |
| 19:54.56 | Glitch_Master | Also, it didn't do this before. Only the latest xscreensaver package has this problem, but I don't have the old file... |
| 19:55.08 | valdyn | yaccobb: fglrx |
| 19:55.08 | greycat | clong: /msg dpkg bootlogd |
| 19:55.11 | simonrvn | hehe, i'm pretty sure i'd be good at it, i've got a good ear |
| 19:55.11 | furrywolf | warnk: start with a fresh source tree and try again. I'd bet anything you mangled something the first time. :) |
| 19:55.20 | clong | <PROTECTED> |
| 19:55.28 | simonrvn | used to do the high school band thing... went to europe, etc. |
| 19:55.33 | yaccobb | valdyn, only ? anything else ? |
| 19:55.35 | warnk | valdyn: already did the apt-get -f, it didn't work, I'll try from package now. |
| 19:55.48 | cureless | simonrvn: I said the same thing. |
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| 19:56.03 | valdyn | yaccobb: why would you need more? these modules are all drivers for some hardware that you likely dont have. |
| 19:56.15 | warnk | furrywolf: i downloaded the sources again before I tried, I have no clue what went wrong. |
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| 19:56.34 | yaccobb | valdyn, ok. |
| 19:56.34 | furrywolf | warnk: hrmm. works for everyone else. :) |
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| 19:56.51 | valdyn | yaccobb: m-a a-i fglrx will do _everything_ w/o your interaction |
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| 19:57.04 | gurubie | valdyn, I think I need to install mplayer-k7 |
| 19:57.17 | furrywolf | guess it's time to start writing my first printer driver |
| 19:57.25 | valdyn | gurubie: you can, doesnt mean you need to |
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| 19:57.45 | furrywolf | I decided using foo2zjs with ghostscript simply was never going to produce adaquate output... so going to write a gimp-print zjs driver. |
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| 19:58.02 | warnk | furrywolf: lol, yeah, I must be cursed :) |
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| 19:58.24 | gurubie | valdyn, for gui control and you are correct. Thanks. |
| 19:58.24 | furrywolf | actually, second printer driver. I wrote one once for an ebcdic daisy wheel printer. :) |
| 19:58.25 | Azar | alsamixer will not work and it can't be downloaded |
| 19:58.30 | simonrvn | cureless: about what? |
| 19:58.37 | clong | greycat, okay, I suppose I will then have a log of my boot. Is there any ideas about why /etc/modules does not appear to load modules why modprobe does? |
| 19:58.47 | yaccobb | valdyn, nooo, 'package fglrx-kernel-src' wasn't build succesfuly'... grrr |
| 19:58.55 | cureless | simonrvn: about having a good ear. |
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| 19:59.13 | greycat | clong: find out by reading your boot log together with /etc/rcS.d/ and so on. |
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| 19:59.18 | simonrvn | cureless: ah ok |
| 19:59.24 | eliteforce^ | hi again :) |
| 19:59.27 | clong | greycat, okay will do. thanks |
| 19:59.31 | furrywolf | anyone want to help write a gimp-print driver? the gimp-print source has remarkably few comments. :P |
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| 19:59.49 | clong | in theory, having the module in /etc/modules should load the module upon boot, right? |
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| 20:00.15 | valdyn | Azar: it can be downloaded, /msg dpkg search |
| 20:00.18 | yaccobb | valdyn, and log is empty |
| 20:00.20 | simonrvn | yes. in practice too |
| 20:00.20 | cureless | clong: yes. Did you spell it correctly? Does it depend on some rc script? |
| 20:00.29 | leonel | greycat, so sarge not for producction yet ? |
| 20:00.32 | eliteforce^ | is it possible to log in trough the console (which should start x & kde after login) instead using kdm? |
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| 20:00.50 | furrywolf | !nodm |
| 20:00.54 | dpkg | Debian does not use a specific runlevel for graphical display managers by default. Just remove the dm package(s) with "apt-get remove xdm kdm wdm login.app gdm pdm". "update-rc.d -f xdm remove" and friends will also disable the dm until a package update is installed and the runlevel symlinks are restored.. NEWSFLASH! echo "false" >/etc/X11/default-display-manager, or a temporary solution is to hit ctl-alt-fN to get to a console |
| 20:01.05 | theD3viL | why my cdrom cant eject? It says /dev/hdc failed to eject =/ |
| 20:01.16 | cureless | leonel: if you're asking then it's probably ready for you. |
| 20:01.19 | FieldySnuts | !vague |
| 20:01.20 | dpkg | Hi, I've got a problem but I'm not going to explain it to you in a coherent way. I'm also going to annoy you by using contractions like "ur" and "ne", furthermore I'm going to make up my own abbreviations of technical phrases and terms |
| 20:01.25 | eliteforce^ | theD3viL, umount |
| 20:01.50 | clong | one more quick question...does anyone know where the libata driver is buried in the kernel? |
| 20:01.51 | FieldySnuts | lsof | grep hdc |
| 20:01.56 | eliteforce^ | if the cdrom drive is mounted its locked, to unlock it just unmount it :) |
| 20:01.58 | theD3viL | eliteforce^, umount /dev/hdc or what? |
| 20:02.05 | furrywolf | if it starts with lib, it's probably not in the kernel. |
| 20:02.06 | FieldySnuts | lobata is depreciated or maybe removed these days |
| 20:02.07 | eliteforce^ | theD3viL, try it :) |
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| 20:02.17 | debb | help |
| 20:02.18 | valdyn | yaccobb: ok, trying a different way: cd /usr/src/ && tar xfvz fglxrc<tab> |
| 20:02.22 | debb | how to update debian ?? |
| 20:02.22 | leonel | cureless, yes or not it's better |
| 20:02.31 | eliteforce^ | debb: man apt-get |
| 20:02.40 | cureless | leonel: well, for some people yes, for others no. |
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| 20:02.44 | valdyn | yaccobb: ok, trying a different way: cd /usr/src/ && tar xfvz fglrx<tab> |
| 20:03.00 | theD3viL | umounted but still wont |
| 20:03.04 | valdyn | yaccobb: say when done with that.. |
| 20:03.07 | leonel | cureless, thanks so useful |
| 20:03.13 | Glitch_Master | No thoughts on my xscreensaver issue? |
| 20:03.22 | cureless | leonel: chances are, it's ready for you. |
| 20:03.22 | eliteforce^ | theD3viL, type "mount" and look if its still mounted |
| 20:03.43 | debb | how to select packages to install simple i need X how to install X |
| 20:03.57 | cureless | debb: x-window-system |
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| 20:04.00 | theD3viL | eliteforce^, no now is unmoute :) |
| 20:04.01 | eliteforce^ | probably: dselect |
| 20:04.08 | debb | thanks :> |
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| 20:04.31 | eliteforce^ | theD3viL, hehe i just had the same problem a few weeks ago .... just restart :P |
| 20:04.36 | Glitch_Master | Does somebody, perhaps, have a version older than 4.21 on Sarge, and if so, would that person be willing to give me a copy of their xanalogtv? |
| 20:04.41 | tarzeau | streuner: there now? |
| 20:04.49 | warnk | valdyn, dpkg throws same error (tar: relocation error: /lib/libpthread.so.0: symbol __libc_stack_end, version GLIBC_PRIVATE not defined in file ld-linux.so.2 with link time reference) |
| 20:04.50 | theD3viL | eliteforce^, you think then will works? |
| 20:04.51 | valdyn | Glitch_Master: snapshot.debian.net |
| 20:04.57 | gurubie | valdyn, It appears the -vo xv is nessisary for mplayer for cli. |
| 20:05.14 | eliteforce^ | theD3viL, after restart you should be able to open the drive |
| 20:05.35 | theD3viL | eliteforce^, i can open it .. i cant eject it |
| 20:05.36 | yaccobb | valdyn, syntax error near unexpected token `newline'. i am being desperate. next ? |
| 20:05.43 | yaccobb | valdyn, sorry |
| 20:06.21 | eliteforce^ | theD3viL, sorry i meant eject |
| 20:06.24 | valdyn | yaccobb: you are supposed to hit the tab key, not to type '<tab>' |
| 20:06.43 | theD3viL | aha |
| 20:06.44 | theD3viL | ;) |
| 20:07.00 | PeTeRB | OT: Open-source tea party: http://console.lv/pic/semejka.jpg |
| 20:07.07 | yaccobb | i tryied, but error too. should I write it here ? |
| 20:07.11 | theD3viL | And my HP DeskJet dont work too... i cant install eny printer at all |
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| 20:07.34 | Muwu | Hi. How do I apply "diff" to binary files for Sarge? |
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| 20:07.48 | FieldySnuts | diff is for source, you cannot patch binaries. period. |
| 20:07.48 | yaccobb | valdyn, i tryied, but error too. should I write it here ? |
| 20:07.56 | eliteforce^ | :) |
| 20:07.59 | valdyn | gurubie: yea, that's the case by default ( unfortunately ), fortunately you can set it in /etc/mplayer/mplayer.conf or ~/.mplayer/config |
| 20:08.15 | cureless | FieldySnuts: you mean text, not source. |
| 20:08.25 | Glitch_Master | valdyn: Thank you. |
| 20:08.37 | valdyn | yaccobb: it cant be so hard to type tar xvzf fglrx<tab> |
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| 20:08.42 | Muwu | FieldSnuts.. I c.. I am trying to get Dwl-122 to work under sarge, but without Apt and access to Net, it's quite a challenge |
| 20:08.46 | cureless | Muwu: what are you trying to "diff" or "patch"? |
| 20:09.02 | yaccobb | valdyn, i did, but there is really error. |
| 20:09.04 | essobi_ | I'm sorry but the OSTP is verry... lama. |
| 20:09.15 | valdyn | yaccobb: which error |
| 20:09.17 | Muwu | cureless, wireless tools in Debian testing. |
| 20:09.43 | cureless | Muwu: but why diff/patch? Why not download the packages? |
| 20:09.55 | binarydigit | argh wireless tools , the new update screwed up something and i cant set my cards channel to 52 anymore |
| 20:10.05 | binarydigit | only allows me to set channels in the 2.4ghz range |
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| 20:10.13 | binarydigit | but kismet sees my ap fine |
| 20:10.20 | Muwu | cureless, so I don't have to do that.. :) |
| 20:10.25 | Azar | hmm I am trying to pull all Sarge can give I want to prove myself and my friends that Sarge works with Alsa |
| 20:10.41 | furrywolf | sarge works perfectly with alsa. |
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| 20:10.53 | Azar | eh :) that is a nice statement |
| 20:10.56 | Glitch_Master | I seem to have caused an error in the mounting app by yanking a mounted flash device (mp3 player). Rebooting usually fixes this, but is there an alternative? |
| 20:10.58 | cureless | Muwu: you can try rsync, but you might really screw up your system doing such things. |
| 20:11.01 | Azar | I keep trying |
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| 20:11.14 | yaccobb | valdyn, didn't you mean 'tar xvzf fglrx*' ? that writes 'tar: Child returned status 1' and some can't find archive blabla' (i have it in my language co it's not exact translation) |
| 20:11.37 | valdyn | yaccobb: what is the full filename? |
| 20:11.53 | Muwu | cureless, what is the best way to download and install packages? (through another computer's net connection). |
| 20:12.20 | valdyn | Muwu: _every_ net connection is thru various other computers |
| 20:12.39 | yaccobb | valdyn, there are many flgrx* files... fglrx-control-qt3_8.12.10-1_i386.deb fglrx-installer_8.12.10-1.dsc fglrx-kernel-src.tar.gz |
| 20:12.40 | yaccobb | fglrx-driver-dev_8.12.10-1_i386.deb fglrx-installer_8.12.10-1_i386.changes fglrx-kernel-src_8.12.10-1_i386.deb |
| 20:12.40 | yaccobb | fglrx-driver_8.12.10-1_i386.deb fglrx-installer_8.12.10-1.tar.gz fglrx-sources_8.12.10-1_i386.deb |
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| 20:12.54 | yaccobb | ou, sorry people. |
| 20:13.14 | valdyn | yaccobb: cut and paste: 'tar xfvz fglrx-kernel-src.tar.gz' |
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| 20:13.28 | Azar | on /etc/discover.conf: how do I replace skipp for some modules? |
| 20:13.52 | yaccobb | valdyn, i did that before... but ok, done. |
| 20:14.06 | cureless | Muwu: just download them normally. You can check packages.debian.org to see what you need, or just copy them via usb/floppy/cd/serial. When apt/dpkg complains get the other package. If you're looking for very different versions the update might be big. Maybe it's easier to get a working network card. |
| 20:14.25 | Muwu2 | cureless, ic .. thanks. |
| 20:14.26 | valdyn | yaccobb: 'cd /usr/src/kernel-headers-$(uname -r)' |
| 20:14.37 | greycat | valdyn: if you find a recipe for doing this, please make sure the channel FAQ is updated to contain it. |
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| 20:14.51 | Glitch_Master | Well... while my issue is being avoided, I'll go look for that older xscreensaver package. |
| 20:15.03 | debb | how to set lilo pending delay in 3 sec ? |
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| 20:17.22 | sepski | Azar, i have 3 relativly recent computers here all run sarge and work with alsa, i just did what /msg dpkg alsa suggested. on the latest one i had to install discover instead of discover1 and that was it, no need to run alsaconf, and no need to change the defaults on anything. only turn up the volume and play |
| 20:17.22 | yaccobb | greycat, that's really possitive after day of intalling fglrx... |
| 20:17.35 | yaccobb | valdyn, ok, done. |
| 20:17.47 | valdyn | yaccobb: that finished w/ no error? |
| 20:17.49 | Muwu2 | hmm... finished downloading all the wireless packages and modules.. |
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| 20:18.08 | yaccobb | valdyn, it seems so... maybe miracle happens... |
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| 20:18.24 | valdyn | yaccobb: one of the last lines should tell you which .deb file it created |
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| 20:19.50 | yaccobb | valdyn, there isn't anything linke that on last line, but there is something few lines up: "`fglrx-kernel-2.4.27-2-386' in `/usr/src/kernel-headers-2.4.27-2-386/../fglrx-kernel-2.4.27-2-386_8.12.10-1+2.4.27-8_i386.deb'" |
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| 20:20.30 | yaccobb | valdyn, so it's fglrx-kernel-2.4.27-2-386_8.12.10-1+2.4.27-8_i386.deb ? |
| 20:20.49 | greycat | sounds good. |
| 20:20.51 | valdyn | yaccobb: yes |
| 20:20.57 | yaccobb | valdyn, dpkg it, ok ? |
| 20:21.02 | BucWheat | greycat i compiled initrd into kernel and i do not have initrd-x.y.z image in /boot/ and i get RAMDISK: Couldn't find valid RAM disk image starting at 0. |
| 20:21.18 | valdyn | yaccobb: look at its date ( ls -l ) to make sure its _not_ flavios deb but the one you just created |
| 20:21.22 | BucWheat | when i boot into kernel. how do i fix it? i used make-kpg kernel-image to build kernel |
| 20:21.24 | Azar | sepski, I will try dpkg advice too, my system tells me all my right modules are installed, and alsa is loaded and running only error I get at bootup is |
| 20:21.25 | Azar | Setting up ALSA.../etc/inint.d/alsa: Warning: 'alsactl restore' failed with error message 'alsactl: load_state:1267: No soundcards found...'. done. |
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| 20:21.27 | ralf | if you google 'fglrx flavio stanchina' you will find some useful debs |
| 20:21.38 | valdyn | yaccobb: once confirmed that it yours, dpkg -i it |
| 20:21.38 | omgs | Hi |
| 20:21.39 | Myren | how do i kill a windows process in cygwin? |
| 20:21.48 | pureone | taskkill /? |
| 20:21.51 | omgs | Is there anything like kickstart for debian? |
| 20:21.51 | sepski | Azar, if you get no soundcards found you obviously havent got the right modules |
| 20:21.52 | yaccobb | valdyn, omg, too late:( i dpkg -i it |
| 20:21.57 | valdyn | ralf: yes, and we're using those |
| 20:22.03 | ralf | ah, ok |
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| 20:22.05 | fewlbar | how can I search for a package with urpmi in mandrake? |
| 20:22.11 | cureless | Myren: aren't you in the wrong channel? Try top/ps and then kill. |
| 20:22.11 | valdyn | yaccobb: you can still confirm.. |
| 20:22.35 | Azar | sepski, lspci lists the right modules loaded among other ones |
| 20:22.38 | Myren | there is no top. ps -W lists windows processes, but kill doesnt kill them. looks like pureone's taskkill will work though. |
| 20:22.40 | yaccobb | valdyn, well now i see... all those unresolved symbols are from alsa-something... |
| 20:22.59 | Glitch_Master | If I obtain an old xscreensaver package, how can I extract the particular file within in that I want? |
| 20:23.04 | Azar | sepski and alsamixer will not download /install with aptitude |
| 20:23.07 | yaccobb | valdyn, all have 'Unresolved symbols in /lib/modules/2.4.27-2-386/updates/alsa/snd-' prefix |
| 20:23.10 | valdyn | yaccobb: alright, ignore that for now |
| 20:23.21 | cureless | Myren: so why ask here? |
| 20:23.22 | Azar | I am tempted to clean up and start over |
| 20:23.39 | Azar | I have the will and the time and the determination to make it work with Sarge |
| 20:23.43 | yaccobb | valdyn, ok, it has right time. |
| 20:23.44 | cureless | Glitch_Master: why not reinstall the package? |
| 20:23.50 | sepski | azar aptitude search alsamixer |
| 20:24.07 | pureone | i cant stand cygwin, i would rather use fully ported software |
| 20:24.09 | BucWheat | how do i build initrd image for my kernel? i compiled initrd into kernel and i have no initrd image for the kernel i built |
| 20:24.13 | valdyn | yaccobb: run "modprobe fglrx" in a console, or look at dmesg output after doing this in a xterm |
| 20:24.19 | Azar | thanks sepski |
| 20:24.21 | Azar | eww |
| 20:24.22 | Azar | gui |
| 20:24.25 | Azar | gnome |
| 20:24.30 | Azar | sigh |
| 20:24.30 | cureless | BucWheat: why are you using initrd? |
| 20:24.31 | sepski | BucWheat, you make one with your mkinitrd command |
| 20:24.36 | sepski | Azar, use some othermixer then |
| 20:24.44 | BucWheat | cureless for bootsplash |
| 20:24.52 | takatumi | Azar: alsamixer is part of the alsa-utils package. |
| 20:24.59 | muwu3 | Does anyone know of a good hostap HOWTO? |
| 20:25.05 | gurubie | valdyn, AHHH, the brightness(all video and audio) controls (sliders) are non-existant via gmplayer. |
| 20:25.05 | BucWheat | sepski k |
| 20:25.10 | cureless | Azar: apt-get install alsamixergui |
| 20:25.10 | Glitch_Master | cureless: It's kind of a hassle. I only want one older version of an extension of the package. The xscreensaver package is not only the main app but all of the different screensavers within it. I only want xanalogtv. I suppose I could install the old one, copy the desired file, and then install the new one... Would that be easier? |
| 20:25.14 | Azar | takatumi but when I do "alsamixer" command will not work |
| 20:25.20 | Azar | ah ok lets try that then |
| 20:25.33 | yaccobb | valdyn, Warning: loading /lib/modules/2.4.27-2-386/misc/fglrx.o will taint the kernel: non-GPL license - Proprietary. it seem ok... |
| 20:25.34 | valdyn | gurubie: they do exist, just not as osd |
| 20:25.37 | deadcat | BucWheat: whatup |
| 20:26.03 | Myren | cureless: because #debian knows the right answer of course. |
| 20:26.20 | sepski | Azar, well if your alsa boot say no soudcard found, then you first need to load the _correct_ modules since the ones your using obviously dont cut it for some odd reason. |
| 20:26.28 | cureless | Glitch_Master: whatever you say: ar x something.deb; tar xzf data.tar.gz /path/to/file/you/want |
| 20:26.30 | valdyn | yaccobb: alright, 'dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xfree86' should let you select fglrx |
| 20:26.41 | yaccobb | valdyn, lol i know that very welll |
| 20:26.49 | valdyn | yaccobb: i dont ) |
| 20:27.02 | Azar | well this will be fun: alsamixer: function snd_ctl_open failed for default: No such device |
| 20:27.07 | cureless | Myren: what gave you that impression? We always guess, and mostly about debian. |
| 20:27.15 | Azar | googling the error |
| 20:27.30 | cureless | Azar: are you sure you're using alsa? |
| 20:27.43 | Azar | cureless, I am 100% sure |
| 20:27.45 | sepski | Azar, you have no device becouse you arent loading the correct modules. |
| 20:27.52 | cureless | Azar: and you're also sure you're _not_ using oss? |
| 20:27.54 | resiak | !info gaim woody |
| 20:27.56 | dpkg | gaim: (GPL multi-protocol instant messenger client - Gtk+ version), section net, is optional. Version: 1:0.58-2.4 (woody), Packaged size: 380 kB, Installed size: 1032 kB |
| 20:28.11 | Azar | cureless, yes, in fact I am thinking to remove the oss package |
| 20:28.29 | cureless | Azar: by remove I assume you mean from disk, not memory. |
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| 20:28.31 | distempr | urrm, is debian-administration.org down? |
| 20:28.32 | greycat | what oss package? |
| 20:28.42 | Azar | the sound one, greycat |
| 20:28.47 | greycat | Azar: .... |
| 20:28.51 | greycat | Azar: name it. |
| 20:28.52 | yaccobb | valdyn, i ran that command thousand times... ;) ok, i try to reboot... ma The Brown Magic is with me.... |
| 20:28.59 | yaccobb | *may |
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| 20:29.08 | valdyn | yaccobb: reboot isnt needed |
| 20:29.14 | BucWheat | deadcat dude how did the papers go? |
| 20:29.25 | Azar | maybe it is preventing Oss 1.2.10 |
| 20:29.32 | Akiyuki | Does anyonek now if WG311v2 works with Debian? |
| 20:29.33 | deadcat | BucWheat: it was ok. hehe. i am done for the sem. |
| 20:29.35 | yaccobb | valdyn, nope ? but nothing changed... |
| 20:29.37 | Azar | oh is OSS 1.2.10 |
| 20:29.45 | muwu3 | So wlan drivers are no longer included in Sarge? |
| 20:29.46 | greycat | !confuse Azar |
| 20:29.47 | dpkg | Yes, them was their gerbil tomorrow, Azar? wellies of the republic of mongolia with extra herring |
| 20:29.47 | valdyn | yaccobb: just restart X |
| 20:30.04 | deadcat | muwu3: depends which driver. |
| 20:30.05 | BucWheat | deadcat nice man. i knew you could do it. hey bootsplash works fine on shutdown but on bootup silent mode exits to verbose. i believe it is because it can't find ramdisk |
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| 20:30.06 | sepski | Azar, state the name of the oss package you have installed, how difficult can it be. |
| 20:30.06 | Azar | :) |
| 20:30.10 | yaccobb | valdyn, hmmm, how to do that ? C+A+backspace ? |
| 20:30.18 | valdyn | yaccobb: yes |
| 20:30.26 | Azar | oh whatever came with the Sarge upgrade |
| 20:30.37 | greycat | now he's bullshitting. |
| 20:30.43 | deadcat | BucWheat: hmm. strange. did you create the initrd.splash file then dpkg-reconfigure bootsplash? |
| 20:30.46 | muwu3 | deadcag, I am trying to get a Prism2.5 based Dlink dwl-122 to work under Sarge... |
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| 20:31.08 | deadcat | muwu3: load orinoco from a prompt |
| 20:31.15 | cureless | oh yes, I forgot to mention my computer is actually running FreeBSD, on an alpha. |
| 20:31.18 | Gud | greycat: :) |
| 20:31.32 | deadcat | muwu3: hostap or linux-wlan-ng is NOT in the kernel. 3rd party. but orinoco is |
| 20:31.44 | cureless | Azar: do you have any oss modules loaded? |
| 20:31.48 | Azar | ok I admit I am not sure if I have OSS |
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| 20:32.05 | yac | valdyn, Oh my god... it seem it really works... don't you know how to test it ? |
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| 20:32.09 | muwu3 | deadcat, so onrinoco will actually work with prism2.5 USB device? how do I load it? thanks. |
| 20:32.10 | deadcat | Azar: lsmod |
| 20:32.25 | valdyn | yac: glxinfo |
| 20:32.31 | Azar | snd-pcm-oss, snd_mixer_oss |
| 20:32.36 | paulswm | !qotd23 |
| 20:32.37 | dpkg | <racoontje> p_each, I don't use debian often but I have used debian on fedora core 2 |
| 20:32.42 | deadcat | muwu3: no driver works with usb. you need to compile your own kernel. then use that source try to compile the shitty linux-wlan-ng |
| 20:32.50 | valdyn | yac: probably 'glxinfo | grep vendor' |
| 20:32.58 | deadcat | muwu3: and wlan-ng is SHIT.. worst wireless driver EVER! |
| 20:32.58 | cureless | Azar: those are alsa. |
| 20:33.01 | ralf | lol, random quotes? |
| 20:33.02 | Azar | greycat, what bluff? |
| 20:33.08 | Azar | oh |
| 20:33.12 | ralf | !qotd0 |
| 20:33.12 | dpkg | it has been said that qotd101 is <nvz> abrotman: nope.. just wakin up and seeing Guerin thats all |
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| 20:33.20 | muwu3 | deadcat, thank... I feel much better now.. :) |
| 20:33.25 | ralf | ... |
| 20:33.26 | paulswm | ralf: not random, chosen on purpose |
| 20:33.27 | Azar | sigh ok I might not have installed alsa correctly, I will purge and try again |
| 20:33.34 | yac | valdyn, yes, that's it. You can't imagine how good that feels;] |
| 20:33.51 | deadcat | muwu3: i have orinoco_usb so much better than that shit ass linux-wlan. it pisses me off just mentioning that shit. |
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| 20:34.05 | gurubie | valdyn, What is the best way to get the mpg video in this (dvd-r) iso file to play on an old mpeg(svideo) out RealMagic card? |
| 20:34.11 | yac | valdyn, and... is there any 3d test program ? something like 3dmakr ? |
| 20:34.13 | muwu3 | I also have Netgear wg311v2 (I think) a pci card based on texas instrument ACX 111... but it seems that's even hrader to make use of |
| 20:34.16 | Azar | greycat, sorry if I irritate you I am trying to figure this up without any solid base knowledge |
| 20:34.18 | BucWheat | deadcat yea. let me do it again. hld on |
| 20:34.19 | sepski | Azar, that's the only snd* modules you have ? then you havent even loaded the drivers for your soundcard ? |
| 20:34.21 | valdyn | yac: question is: didnt flavios binary work to and all the unresolved symbols were only caused by your alsa stuff? |
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| 20:34.44 | deadcat | muwu3: thats better than linux-wlan. if you could. get a prism based pcmcia or pci and use hostap. |
| 20:34.47 | valdyn | yac: "glxinfo | grep direct" to see if its on, "glxgears" to use it |
| 20:34.49 | yac | valdyn, it's almost sure... |
| 20:35.06 | PeTeRB | yac: glxgears |
| 20:35.36 | Ramonskie | i upgraded and now i cant sendmail with the mail() php function anymore. i have qmail installed so my send mail dir must be /var/qmail/bin/sendmail i think can some 1 help me out here? |
| 20:35.45 | yac | coooool, it works! |
| 20:35.49 | Gud | PeTeRB: glxgears is communist propaganda |
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| 20:35.53 | yac | valdyn, PeTeRB :thanks |
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| 20:35.55 | BucWheat | deadcat this is the first thing i see after bootsplash exits from silent into verbose: RAMDISK: Couldn't find valid RAM disk image starting at 0. |
| 20:35.56 | muwu3 | ah.. this sucks.. :) hardware drivers are indeed pain in the ass (i.e. spending hours to get ATI drivers to work..only to discover it's buggy and halts computer) |
| 20:36.19 | valdyn | gurubie: -vo xv is the best ( if it works ) |
| 20:36.43 | omgs | Is there anything like kickstart for debian? |
| 20:36.56 | greycat | well *that* was obnoxious. my ssh tunnel just hung for 5 minutes. the lag-o-meter almost reached the 300 mark of death. |
| 20:37.06 | Azar | sepski, I also have "my driver" modules: snd_via82xx, snd_ac97_codec with snd_via82xx. via82cxxx_audio wuth uart401, ac97_codec with via82cxxx_audio, sound with via 82cxxx_audio , uart401, soundcore with snd, via82cxxx_audio, sound, snd with 9 modules.. |
| 20:37.07 | distempr | can anyone ping debian-administration.org? |
| 20:37.15 | Azar | and lots of other kind of modules |
| 20:37.30 | valdyn | Azar: is alsa-base installed? |
| 20:37.35 | yac | valdyn, that's strange, sound works properly... |
| 20:37.46 | greycat | Azar: there *is* no separate package for the OSS driver modules. They are a standard part of every Debian kernel-image. |
| 20:37.47 | deadcat | BucWheat: do you get the background? even though its not in silent mode? |
| 20:37.49 | Azar | valdyn, yes I looked in it |
| 20:37.55 | cahoot | looks like a mix of alsa and oss |
| 20:37.56 | valdyn | Azar: ok, reboot |
| 20:37.58 | deadcat | omgs: fai |
| 20:38.00 | greycat | (except for 2.2.20-idepci of course.) |
| 20:38.01 | gurubie | valdyn, The only video TV out is on the Realmagic mpeg player. |
| 20:38.13 | valdyn | Azar: you do have an oss driver still loaded , reboot should avoid that safely |
| 20:38.24 | Azar | ok I will reboot, greycat the only confusion was I seen in xmms the oss option I thought I have it |
| 20:38.32 | muwu3 | Is there a good/cheap PCI wireless card that'll work with Sarge outofbox? |
| 20:38.42 | FieldySnuts | in a bash script i'm trying to assign the result of a command to a variable. I'm doing ppp0-address='somecommand | otherstuff | morestuff | blah blah blah' but it's trying to run the result as ac ommand. I've tried all forms of quotes, any ideas? |
| 20:38.50 | deadcat | muwu3: prism based. or orinoco |
| 20:38.56 | valdyn | gurubie: i dont know that card, anything but xv as output might or might not be to much for you cpu |
| 20:38.58 | greycat | FieldySnuts: backquotes, not forward quotes. |
| 20:39.03 | greycat | FieldySnuts: better still, $(command) |
| 20:39.04 | FieldySnuts | greycat: i tried those |
| 20:39.07 | muwu3 | deadcat, plz. give me a "model" to order.. :) |
| 20:39.13 | FieldySnuts | not $(whatever) though |
| 20:39.13 | deadcat | muwu3: doh (= |
| 20:39.17 | simonrvn | muwu3: if it works on a linux kernel, it'll work in sarge. wrong question |
| 20:39.20 | greycat | FieldySnuts: and you can't have a hyphen in a variable name. |
| 20:39.25 | sepski | muwu3, no wireless work 'out of box' since your at the very least required to configure your SSID |
| 20:39.27 | FieldySnuts | greycat: ah |
| 20:39.28 | greycat | FieldySnuts: make it addr_ppp0 or something. |
| 20:39.33 | valdyn | gurubie: in any case you might want to increase mplayers cache like "-cache 8192" |
| 20:39.34 | FieldySnuts | greycat: i'm not sure what you mean by $(command) however |
| 20:39.36 | Ramonskie | i upgraded and now i cant sendmail with the mail() php function anymore. i have qmail installed so my send mail dir must be /var/qmail/bin/sendmail i think can some 1 help me out here? |
| 20:39.40 | greycat | FieldySnuts: addr_ppp0=$(command) |
| 20:39.49 | deadcat | muwu3: the one i bought year ago was $9 and they dont make it no more... google time |
| 20:39.51 | greycat | FieldySnuts: saves confusion when people on windows can't see the backquotes properly. |
| 20:40.00 | muwu3 | sepski, true.. but outofbox in a sense, not having to compile bunch of stuff... editing MakeFile, etc |
| 20:40.06 | FieldySnuts | greycat: okay. i don't need any quotes? this is a multi-pipe command |
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| 20:40.37 | greycat | FieldySnuts: /j #bash if you have doubts. |
| 20:40.53 | FieldySnuts | mkay |
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| 20:41.05 | BucWheat | deadcat yea i get the background. it just quits from silent like after 1 second and the progress bar doesn't move |
| 20:41.17 | coywolf | what's the default debian phpbb admin passwd? |
| 20:41.27 | FieldySnuts | "rootmeplease"? |
| 20:41.32 | deadcat | BucWheat: damn then i have no clue (= |
| 20:41.41 | deadcat | muwu3: you get what you pay for (= |
| 20:41.46 | cureless | coywolf: should be in /usr/share/doc/phpbb or something similar |
| 20:42.03 | yac | how can be twindow transparency set ? |
| 20:42.10 | coywolf | cureless, danke |
| 20:42.13 | BucWheat | deadcat now before i installed bootsplash package. i installed via tarball from bootsplash.org could that be the problem? |
| 20:42.26 | streuner | yac: for aterm, xterm? |
| 20:42.26 | resiak | BucWheat: Try the stuffs over on bootsplash.de |
| 20:42.31 | deadcat | BucWheat: hehe. can you make uninstall? |
| 20:42.40 | yac | streuner, what are those ? |
| 20:42.49 | deadcat | yac: teminal emus |
| 20:43.01 | streuner | !info aterm |
| 20:43.03 | dpkg | aterm: (Afterstep XVT - a VT102 emulator for the X window system), section x11, is optional. Version: 0.4.2-11 (sid), Packaged size: 89 kB, Installed size: 280 kB |
| 20:43.13 | BucWheat | deadcat let me try it |
| 20:43.28 | deadcat | muwu3: if you look online theres a page with all the hostap cards. |
| 20:43.58 | muwu3 | deadcat, thanks.. good idea. |
| 20:44.02 | Ramonskie | :( can no one help me with thie well kay back to the forums again just sit and wait for an aswer |
| 20:44.05 | yac | streuner, i meant in GNOME. inactive windows can be transparent but i don't know how to do that.... |
| 20:44.11 | deadcat | muwu3: i just cant find the link at the moment. |
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| 20:44.45 | binarydigit | anyone know what would cause dhclient to see a dhcpoffer but not bind an ip or acknowledge it i guess? |
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| 20:44.53 | resiak | yac: Sarge's X server doesn't do transparency. |
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| 20:45.27 | omgs | deadcat: thanks, I'll take a look |
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| 20:45.49 | yac | resiak, it depend's on debian kernel ? |
| 20:45.49 | mfrisch | where is a good place to put a boot script |
| 20:46.14 | zahod | mfrisch, read /etc/init.d/README |
| 20:46.24 | streuner | !rc.local |
| 20:46.24 | dpkg | from memory, rc.local is the boot script for BSD/slackware/redhat systems but is considered to be a hack for lazy people. Use the sysvinit method via update-rc.d or read /etc/init.d/README or "man update-rc.d", "apt-get install rcconf", or try "sysvconfig", or /etc/rc.boot/ directory, /etc/init.d/bootmisc.sh file and /etc/init.d/skeleton template. If you don't like SysV, consider file-rc. |
| 20:46.26 | resiak | yac: No, it doesn't depend on Debian's kernel. It's because Sarge doesn't have X.org, which is the X server that does compositing. |
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| 20:47.06 | streuner | yac: its possible in GNOME just open gnome-control-center |
| 20:47.12 | Azar | via82cxxx_audio: already loaded - snd-via82xx: loaded successfully -- pkspkr: loaded successfully - Setting up ALSA.../etc/init.d/alsa: Warning: 'alsactl restore' failed with error message 'alsactl: load_state:1267: No soundcards found...'. done |
| 20:47.31 | resiak | streuner: ...with Xfree? |
| 20:47.34 | mfrisch | dpkg THANKS |
| 20:47.35 | dpkg | mfrisch: de rien |
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| 20:47.40 | streuner | resiak: with GNOME |
| 20:47.51 | streuner | resiak: panel and stuff |
| 20:47.56 | shingouz | Azar: you sure that is the card you have there? absolutely sure? |
| 20:48.05 | resiak | streuner: So it can't make the inactive windows transparent, which is what yac wants. |
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| 20:48.15 | Azar | shingouz, when I ask the system that is the card is giving me |
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| 20:48.43 | takatumi | isn't via82cxxx_audio the OSS module? |
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| 20:48.50 | yac | resiak: oh... can i uúgrade it somehow without changing kernel and such bad stuff... ? |
| 20:49.03 | yac | streuner: i can't see it in there... |
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| 20:49.05 | Azar | Multimedia audio controller: VIA Technologies, Inc. VT8233/A/8235/8237 AC97 Audio Controller |
| 20:49.09 | resiak | yac: X has nothing to do with the kernel. If you're having to ask, no, you can't upgrade it. |
| 20:49.13 | shingouz | Azar: have you actually cracked the case to have a look-see? i mean you have been hacking on the system for so many hours now and it still does not work that i believe the system might be wrong and a visual inspection might do the trick |
| 20:49.14 | remmy | whats the best text irc? |
| 20:49.21 | resiak | !tell remmy -about polls |
| 20:49.24 | cureless | remmy: telnet |
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| 20:49.33 | streuner | yac: if you want interactive windows transparent, you should wait till sarge is stable |
| 20:49.41 | Ronin | remmy: the one you like unlesss your reall hardcore then use cureless suggestion |
| 20:49.48 | Azar | shingouz, it is the same card I used to setup/run alsa back last year while running sid |
| 20:49.56 | deadcat | resiak: mirc |
| 20:50.02 | cureless | lol |
| 20:50.10 | streuner | yac: that's a feature what resiak told you, which is in xorg available |
| 20:50.12 | shingouz | Azar: hmm.. what kind of a system you have it on now |
| 20:50.16 | resiak | deadcat: stfu n00b! bithxc!!! |
| 20:50.20 | Azar | shingouz, Sarge |
| 20:50.21 | deadcat | (= |
| 20:50.22 | remmy | i just installed xchat text but its all the same color |
| 20:50.23 | shingouz | ircii |
| 20:50.41 | PeTeRB | remmy: xchat-text sucks. |
| 20:50.43 | resiak | remmy: The correct answer is apt-get install irssi-text. |
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| 20:50.54 | resiak | Did I just ruin the fun? |
| 20:50.58 | shingouz | is there an xchat-text too? damn |
| 20:51.08 | remmy | thanks |
| 20:51.10 | streuner | yac: what does 'dpkg -l gnome-session | tail -1' say? |
| 20:51.15 | Azar | I have the feeling either I did not installed alsa correctly, or it is conflicting with other process that takes over |
| 20:51.17 | deadcat | shingouz: shit. theres even mirc-text |
| 20:51.19 | BucWheat | deadcat when i dpkg-reconfigure bootsplash and select initrd image for the kernel i'm currently running i get this error |
| 20:51.20 | BucWheat | Building bootsplash initrd image... |
| 20:51.20 | BucWheat | cp: cannot stat `/boot/initrd.img-2.6.8.050522.orig': No such file or directory |
| 20:51.22 | yac | streuner: ok, and xorg is exactly what ? i suppouse it's not ordinary package... |
| 20:51.29 | PeTeRB | shingouz: It doesn't even have a readline-like prompt :| |
| 20:51.31 | resiak | yac: /msg dpkg xorg |
| 20:51.37 | shingouz | deadcat: eugh. who the fuck would use that |
| 20:51.38 | deadcat | BucWheat: select the initrd.splash. then sym link it |
| 20:51.50 | deadcat | shingouz: bitches with mirc annoying scripts?? |
| 20:51.52 | streuner | yac: pay attention, i already told you its in debian after sarge is stable |
| 20:51.58 | shingouz | could be |
| 20:52.17 | shingouz | Azar: uh. not that system but the hardware |
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| 20:52.52 | yac | streuner: 'ii gnome-session 2.8.1-6 The GNOME 2 Session Manager'. in deabian mean what ? module or something ? i am still used to win... |
| 20:53.02 | atrus | i need to put together a minor woodworking project, and i'd like to diagram out the sizes of everything. pretty basic, just straight rectangular 2d design. any suggestions for a piece of free, easy design software? |
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| 20:53.13 | streuner | !info gnome-session |
| 20:53.15 | dpkg | gnome-session: (The GNOME 2 Session Manager), section gnome, is optional. Version: 2.8.1-6 (sid), Packaged size: 432 kB, Installed size: 2080 kB |
| 20:53.23 | cmug | atrus, pencil + paper |
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| 20:53.30 | serendipity | i gots a question |
| 20:53.36 | deadcat | ask |
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| 20:53.40 | deadcat | i might have the answer |
| 20:53.46 | yac | streuner, resiak : ok, thanks. |
| 20:53.57 | Azar | hmm maybe I need a lower version of Alsa |
| 20:53.57 | streuner | yac: welcome |
| 20:54.16 | takatumi | Azar: if both OSS and ALSA modules are loaded (or trying to load), you will have problems, have you tried blacklisting the oss modules? |
| 20:54.24 | atrus | cmug: p.... pay ... per? |
| 20:54.26 | yac | streuner, resiak : btw, are you using some 'cool' desktop toys ? |
| 20:54.34 | resiak | yac: torsmo. |
| 20:54.35 | cmug | atrus, seen Waterworld? |
| 20:54.38 | streuner | Azar: you are hanging hours here in channel and your card doesn't work? |
| 20:54.40 | atrus | nope |
| 20:54.51 | cmug | atrus, you should, you sound like some lines there |
| 20:54.53 | deadcat | yac: gallery.sshonly.sytes.net/linux/screenshots |
| 20:54.56 | streuner | yac: gkrellm, torsmo, pypanel |
| 20:55.03 | streuner | yac: idesk |
| 20:55.09 | atrus | cmug: is that a good thing? :) |
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| 20:55.39 | cmug | atrus, brings back memories atleast |
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| 20:55.56 | shingouz | atrus: i believe cmug is referring to the manually controlled drafting utilities |
| 20:56.14 | cmug | its like using a mouse |
| 20:56.22 | resiak | deadcat: What's that doing the logwatching in the bottom-left? |
| 20:56.26 | yac | deadcat: pheeew, nice.... |
| 20:56.26 | cmug | only the controller is different shape |
| 20:56.27 | shingouz | yes but it doesnt need cheese or batteries |
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| 20:56.36 | deadcat | resiak: root-tail |
| 20:56.37 | maja | any one know why my wu-ftpd is not sending anything back to ls requests ? |
| 20:56.47 | deadcat | resiak: the root-tail from stable. |
| 20:57.05 | cmug | maja, firewall blocking active ftp data |
| 20:57.06 | serendipity | hello |
| 20:57.07 | atrus | i don't even think i have a ruler around here, let alone a 90° triangle. |
| 20:57.12 | cmug | maja, or something |
| 20:57.22 | resiak | deadcat: As opposed to the one from Sarge? |
| 20:57.25 | yac | streuner, resiak : wow, i must try that... |
| 20:57.28 | serendipity | what are typical make arguments |
| 20:57.37 | deadcat | yac: ya but cant find any nice bgimages for dual mon |
| 20:57.40 | shingouz | atrus: no kidding, if the stuff you are planning is not anything on the scale of the eiffel tower you really would be better off by using pen and paper. cad-stuff is too precise when working on wood imho |
| 20:57.41 | atrus | a nice scale would be cool too. |
| 20:57.49 | Azar | takatumi, I am exploring the blacklist option |
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| 20:57.59 | yac | deadcat: dual mon ? |
| 20:58.02 | serendipity | i need to compile cpan and i need to know the make and make install arguments |
| 20:58.04 | deadcat | resiak: they dont support the artwiz fonts. and the geometry is way off in sarge and sid. dont know what they did to it. |
| 20:58.05 | shingouz | maja: try connecting to it with the ftp client on passive |
| 20:58.10 | resiak | deadcat: *shrug* |
| 20:58.12 | serendipity | i got dual monitor |
| 20:58.13 | deadcat | yac: 2065x1024? |
| 20:58.14 | takatumi | Azar: /msg dpkg blacklist (if in doubt) |
| 20:58.18 | Azar | hi streuner :) |
| 20:58.24 | streuner | serendipity: dh-perl-make |
| 20:58.28 | deadcat | serendipity: i havent found a good image that i like. |
| 20:58.34 | cmug | atrus, http://twoday.tuwien.ac.at/static/macosx/images/you%20rock%20you%20rule.jpg |
| 20:58.52 | atrus | cmug: i....... see. |
| 20:58.55 | serendipity | streuner, for make and make install? |
| 20:58.56 | yac | deadcat: oh my god... my LCD has maximum half that :D |
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| 20:59.06 | streuner | !info dh-make-perl |
| 20:59.10 | cmug | zZzZ |
| 20:59.10 | dpkg | dh-make-perl: (Create debian packages from perl modules), section devel, is optional. Version: 0.17 (sid), Packaged size: 21 kB, Installed size: 68 kB |
| 20:59.18 | FabParma | how to restore corrupted ntfs partitions using Debian? |
| 20:59.23 | deadcat | yac: ya. thats why i have 2 LCDs at that size heh |
| 20:59.24 | streuner | serendipity: What does 'dpkg -l libc6 | tail -1' say? |
| 20:59.33 | deadcat | FabParma: cant. you're fucked |
| 20:59.34 | serendipity | sec |
| 20:59.34 | streuner | !info dh-make-perl sarge |
| 20:59.36 | dpkg | dh-make-perl: (Create debian packages from perl modules), section devel, is optional. Version: 0.15 (sarge), Packaged size: 21 kB, Installed size: 68 kB |
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| 21:00.02 | serendipity | ii libc6 2.3.2.ds1-22 GNU C Library: Shared libraries and Timezone |
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| 21:00.12 | streuner | serendipity: unstable is good |
| 21:00.16 | atrus | streuner: ooh, now that is cool. how have I gone this long without knowing about that one. |
| 21:00.30 | streuner | serendipity: because dh-make-perl makes that for you out of the box... |
| 21:00.31 | yac | deadcat: hehe. how can i set up torsmo ? |
| 21:00.39 | deadcat | yac: apt-get install it. |
| 21:00.41 | *** part/#debian streetcleaner (zappi@port-195-158-171-101.dynamic.qsc.de) |
| 21:00.41 | serendipity | just -unstable? |
| 21:00.45 | xophEr | 'May 25 23:23:27 localhost -- MARK --' I got about 50 of those lines in my /var/log/messages and syslog, what are they? It seems like all activity on my computer stopped. I had to reboot to get it out of this, the computer was totally unresponsive. |
| 21:00.49 | TTimo | anyone getting a failure when trying to boot a 2.6.11 kernel? '/sbin/init: 360: cannot open bin/root: No such file' |
| 21:00.52 | yac | deadcat: no, i mean when it's installed... |
| 21:00.57 | streuner | serendipity: you have already unstable installed |
| 21:00.58 | deadcat | yac: run it |
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| 21:01.05 | cureless | TTimo: yes, it's aproblem with initrd-tools. |
| 21:01.08 | yac | deadcat: running... |
| 21:01.13 | deadcat | yac: .torsmorc |
| 21:01.19 | streuner | serendipity: the version (dh-make-perl) in unstable have those features |
| 21:01.23 | huba | hi. how do i replace exim with qmail in one step? i have built the qmail .deb file |
| 21:01.26 | serendipity | Looks good |
| 21:01.26 | serendipity | Writing Makefile for Gtk |
| 21:01.26 | serendipity | <PROTECTED> |
| 21:01.26 | serendipity | Running make test |
| 21:01.26 | serendipity | <PROTECTED> |
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| 21:01.31 | Azar | takatumi funny enough ALL sound modules including mine are blacklisted in /blacklist.d |
| 21:01.35 | cureless | streuner: install the new version, reboot. You might need to uinstall/reinstall the kernel |
| 21:01.37 | yac | deadcat: where is it hidden ? ;) |
| 21:01.40 | streuner | huba: why do you think you need qmail? |
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| 21:01.46 | deadcat | yac: ~/.torsmorc |
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| 21:01.49 | serendipity | O_o |
| 21:01.52 | huba | streuner: that is irrelevant |
| 21:01.59 | TTimo | cureless, does it affect all 2.6 images ? |
| 21:02.05 | Azar | hey in discovery they are all skipped, in hotplug they are all blacklisted |
| 21:02.06 | serendipity | im clueless |
| 21:02.27 | cureless | TTimo: I'm not sure, it might. |
| 21:02.27 | streuner | huba: ok, move along, if you don't want to answer easy questions |
| 21:02.42 | simonrvn | Azar: dpkg -P libc6 ? |
| 21:02.44 | cureless | TTimo: it's solved with the new initrd-tools. .80 had the problem, .81 is out. |
| 21:02.46 | muwu3 | indeed.. building wlan failes under default kernel, sarge.. :( |
| 21:02.49 | TTimo | I'm looking at initrd-tools bug list |
| 21:02.49 | huba | streuner: well i have a working qmail setup |
| 21:02.55 | TTimo | and not seeing what it would be |
| 21:02.59 | takatumi | Azar: and you still have all the OSS and ALSA modules loaded. :P |
| 21:03.01 | TTimo | I just upgraded to .81 |
| 21:03.03 | TTimo | still happens |
| 21:03.04 | huba | i don't want to learn another MTA |
| 21:03.09 | fewlbar | how can I search for a package with urpmi in Mandrake!? |
| 21:03.10 | yac | deadcat: heh, it's empty... is there any help or faq or something ? |
| 21:03.15 | cureless | TTimo: uninstall/reinstall your kernel. |
| 21:03.17 | streuner | huba: apt-get install qmail-src |
| 21:03.22 | TTimo | ah .. |
| 21:03.23 | shingouz | fewlbar: thei is #debian |
| 21:03.25 | TTimo | k |
| 21:03.32 | Azar | :) yes I get courageous now and rectify the issue |
| 21:03.39 | muwu3 | urpmi |
| 21:03.40 | huba | streuner: i did that. i have the qmail.deb. now if i want to install it, i get conflicts with exim |
| 21:03.44 | serendipity | make_arg' => q[], |
| 21:03.44 | cureless | TTimo: it's probably a mixture of the .80 initrd-tools and the instalation of a kernel. |
| 21:03.44 | serendipity | <PROTECTED> |
| 21:03.47 | deadcat | yac: http://sshonly.sytes.net/config/home/deadcat/.torsmorc |
| 21:03.52 | streuner | huba: well |
| 21:03.55 | resiak | deadcat: Can I steal your invocation of root-tail? |
| 21:03.56 | deadcat | yac: thats the one on my desktop. |
| 21:03.58 | huba | streuner: i need to replace exim with qmail in one step so I don't have to uninstall every package that requires a MTA |
| 21:04.02 | shingouz | fewlbar: wrong channel in other words, go to #mandrake |
| 21:04.06 | serendipity | what is the argument the default is -j3 or w/e but thats for dual proc |
| 21:04.18 | simonrvn | fewlbar: #mandrake is that -> way |
| 21:04.18 | yac | deadcat: oh, thanks... |
| 21:04.26 | serendipity | ;? |
| 21:04.28 | resiak | huba: Make the packages from source, then install the qmail debs while you remove exim's. |
| 21:04.31 | fewlbar | how can I search for a package with urpmi in Mandrake!? |
| 21:04.35 | liable | muwu3: you have kernel headers installed? |
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| 21:04.45 | huba | resiak: what's the syntax for installing and removing at the same time? |
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| 21:04.50 | Azar | takatumi funny enough I have no idea what the oss modules look like, well I will only get my sound modules |
| 21:04.52 | muwu3 | liable, nope.. damn.. I forgot about that.... |
| 21:05.00 | serendipity | fewlbar, #mandrake ? |
| 21:05.01 | streuner | huba: apt-get install package |
| 21:05.11 | shingouz | fewlbar: we do not care, we use debian. go away or install debian |
| 21:05.14 | huba | streuner: that tells me there is a conflict |
| 21:05.16 | paulswm | huba: install --reinstall |
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| 21:05.19 | cureless | just /ignore fewlbar he's (it's) been asking the same thing for a while |
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| 21:05.24 | streuner | huba: /j #flood |
| 21:05.26 | jethro | !irritate fewlbar |
| 21:05.26 | dpkg | fewlbar: is there ne1 who cn answer my n00b q? where cn I get w4arez 4 debina lol ????? |
| 21:05.33 | resiak | fewlbar: Go to #mandrake. We don't know. |
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| 21:05.36 | jasoncohen | can i do clone mode using the default ati drivers? |
| 21:05.36 | fewlbar | debina? |
| 21:05.38 | deadcat | resiak: sshonly.sytes.net/config/home/deadcat/bin/ROOT-TAIL |
| 21:05.42 | huba | actually, i am using "dpkb -i qmail.deb", not apt-get |
| 21:05.46 | serendipity | lol @ warez for debian |
| 21:05.51 | Overand | !troll fewlbar |
| 21:05.52 | huba | i have the qmail.deb on my local filesystem |
| 21:05.57 | deadcat | deadcat: you have to use the root-tail from stable in order to use that script. |
| 21:06.00 | shingouz | fewlbar: ffs... |
| 21:06.03 | simonrvn | fewlbar: /join #mandrake |
| 21:06.06 | streuner | huba: go to #flood and show us what you got |
| 21:06.13 | paulswm | !prise fewlbar |
| 21:06.18 | muwu3 | anyone having problem with ATI should donate that to people you hate, and get a cheap NVIDIA card instead... |
| 21:06.22 | serendipity | what do i put in the little [] for this conf file? -j3?????? |
| 21:06.24 | serendipity | make_arg' => q[], |
| 21:06.24 | serendipity | <PROTECTED> |
| 21:06.28 | deadcat | damn. either the server that host my webpage or my ex removed my account (= shit. |
| 21:06.29 | takatumi | Azar: anything with snd- is ALSA, the rest (sound related) are OSS. via82cxxx_audio you pasted a while back, is OSS I believe. |
| 21:06.29 | fewlbar | where can I get Debina Linux? |
| 21:06.35 | jethro | hah |
| 21:06.38 | shingouz | serendipity: how many cpu's you have? |
| 21:06.38 | jethro | !pal fewlbar |
| 21:06.41 | serendipity | 1 |
| 21:06.41 | sussudio | fewlbar = jcarr |
| 21:06.47 | simonrvn | "Debian" |
| 21:06.53 | shingouz | jcarr? |
| 21:06.57 | paulswm | !qotd83 |
| 21:06.57 | dpkg | extra, extra, read all about it, qotd83 is <WiFiTux> how much can I paste here? -!- WiFiTux [~abonilla@natsj-9-netra20.ice.co.cr] has quit [Excess Flood] <ricky_clarkson> Not that much, obviously. |
| 21:07.03 | cureless | stop answering to fewlbar |
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| 21:07.05 | shingouz | serendipity: 1 or 2 |
| 21:07.07 | resiak | !ops fewlbar is being, erm, a fewl. |
| 21:07.08 | dpkg | Hydroxide, bob2, caphuso, dondelelcaro, doogie, eeyore-, ElectricElf, greycat, helix, ljlane, LoRez, mentor, Netsnipe, TML, walters, xk: fewlbar is being, erm, a fewl. |
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| 21:07.15 | serendipity | -1 ? |
| 21:07.28 | sussudio | yes, jcarr the fucktard troll who is banned. |
| 21:07.34 | MidgetSpy | is it possible to get the size of all files in a directory without making a bash script for it? |
| 21:07.39 | shingouz | serendipity: -j1 |
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| 21:07.44 | resiak | MidgetSpy: man du |
| 21:07.45 | shingouz | sussudio: i see |
| 21:07.50 | MidgetSpy | resiak: thanks |
| 21:08.01 | simonrvn | um, why set a -j flag when 1 is the default for -j? |
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| 21:08.10 | huba | streuner: how? |
| 21:08.15 | simonrvn | kinda pointless |
| 21:08.20 | shingouz | yes it is |
| 21:08.26 | paulswm | Indeed it is |
| 21:08.26 | streuner | huba: dpkg --purge mail-transport-agent |
| 21:08.37 | serendipity | k im gonna try this |
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| 21:08.51 | huba | streuner: there is no such package |
| 21:08.55 | huba | the MTA is exim |
| 21:09.09 | Glanzmann | I am looking for a programm were I can pipe diff output through and it gets colorized for the view on the commandline or less -R |
| 21:09.11 | jethro | huba: mail-transport-agent is a metapackage |
| 21:09.24 | huba | # dpkg --purge mail-transport-agent |
| 21:09.24 | huba | dpkg - warning: ignoring request to remove mail-transport-agent which isn't installed. |
| 21:09.33 | simonrvn | openhackware - OpenFirmware emulator for PowerPC |
| 21:09.37 | simonrvn | w00t |
| 21:09.43 | huba | jethro: i understand, it is provided by exim |
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| 21:10.29 | deadcat | simonrvn: what it do? |
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| 21:10.38 | resiak | paulswm: It's permasunday. |
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| 21:10.46 | huba | so if i do "apt-get remove --purge exim" it wants to remove stuff like mysql-server |
| 21:10.50 | simonrvn | uh, read the description... |
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| 21:10.55 | paulswm | resiak: Yes, and here is proof. |
| 21:11.11 | simonrvn | !ping |
| 21:11.11 | dpkg | pong |
| 21:11.14 | deadcat | simonrvn: so it runs on non ppc or what? |
| 21:11.26 | BucWheat | deadcat what difference would it make if i put /boot/initrd.splash or /boot/initrd.img-2.6.8 (thatis symlinked to /boot/initrd.splash) ? |
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| 21:11.34 | simonrvn | are you intentionally asking dumb questions? :) |
| 21:11.39 | paulswm | HAHA |
| 21:11.45 | huba | did I miss the answer? it's scrolling kinda fast :) |
| 21:11.47 | deadcat | BucWheat: nothing. |
| 21:11.51 | sussudio | Zv2S is a bot... |
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| 21:11.57 | simonrvn | deadcat: oh BTW, you might like this, there's a userspace bootsplash in sid |
| 21:11.58 | deadcat | simonrvn: i really dont know |
| 21:12.10 | deadcat | simonrvn: debsplash? |
| 21:12.16 | simonrvn | deadcat: well, probably not |
| 21:12.24 | simonrvn | sec |
| 21:12.37 | shingouz | at least those |
| 21:12.40 | pipeline | Azar: And Compress. |
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| 21:12.50 | pipeline | Azar: .bz2, .gz, .Z, .zip |
| 21:12.54 | paulswm | Azar: they are different algorithms though |
| 21:12.54 | deadcat | simonrvn: last time i check they were working on the debsplash or usplash. no kernel related shits. |
| 21:12.58 | jasoncohen | anyone know if i can do clone mode the opensource radeon drivers? |
| 21:13.02 | simonrvn | splashy - in experimental, sorry |
| 21:13.10 | BucWheat | ddead its weird because i just typed reboot and it reboots with bootsplash fine |
| 21:13.16 | huba | this page http://www.cargal.org/downloads/HOW-TO/debianqmail/debianqmail.html#h4 tells me to remove exim with --force-depends |
| 21:13.17 | Gnea | Azar: don't forget rar and arj |
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| 21:13.27 | huba | guess none of you knew that option |
| 21:13.28 | deadcat | simonrvn: ah. thats the one. i will wait till it gets to sid (= |
| 21:13.36 | streuner | huba: http://bugs.debian.org/cgi-bin/bugreport.cgi?bug=263419 |
| 21:13.37 | Azar | amazing |
| 21:13.40 | paulswm | gz is LZ77 and bz2 is Burrows-Wheeler transform plus some other stuff like move-to-front |
| 21:13.48 | Gnea | huba: wasn't paying attention at the time |
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| 21:14.06 | sussudio | Zv2S: who is your owner and what is your purpose in here? |
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| 21:14.15 | deadcat | simonrvn: got a page to splashy? |
| 21:14.19 | BucWheat | ughhhh this is so frustrating. why can't my system access initrd images during boot |
| 21:14.21 | simonrvn | @tell sound -about root |
| 21:14.23 | BucWheat | i'm using sata drives |
| 21:14.34 | Gnea | sussudio: status.uni-chat.net |
| 21:14.37 | Gnea | df |
| 21:14.40 | Gnea | er |
| 21:14.41 | deadcat | BucWheat: well i use ide.. |
| 21:14.45 | Azar | what could "clt" from snd_ctl_open be? |
| 21:14.45 | Gnea | wow, this keyboard sucks |
| 21:14.48 | simonrvn | google it, deadcat |
| 21:14.50 | Gnea | sussudio: stats.uni-chat.net |
| 21:14.51 | Azar | err "ctl" |
| 21:14.55 | BucWheat | hrmmm |
| 21:14.59 | BucWheat | well this sucks |
| 21:15.00 | Azar | control uh |
| 21:15.03 | sussudio | Gnea: there is nothing there. |
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| 21:15.12 | Gnea | Azar: control |
| 21:15.13 | sepski | BucWheat, your saying your bootloader can read in the kernel file, but not your initrd file ? |
| 21:15.19 | simonrvn | i'm not installing it, since i don't reboot often ;) |
| 21:15.20 | streuner | huba: usually it should just work (TM) :-) |
| 21:15.28 | Azar | sound control open wont work because alsa cannot find a sound card |
| 21:15.29 | Azar | hm |
| 21:15.42 | simonrvn | i will however play with openhackware a bit before i leave |
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| 21:16.09 | deadcat | simonrvn: i dont get openhackware. |
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| 21:16.17 | sepski | Azar, did you try to install the discover package (replacing discover1) ? |
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| 21:16.19 | BibTeX | Hello |
| 21:16.20 | simonrvn | it's in experimental too |
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| 21:16.30 | BibTeX | how to mount a USB disk on Debian? |
| 21:16.30 | BucWheat | sepski yea. i get Couldn't load ram image at boot |
| 21:16.32 | deadcat | simonrvn: no splashy for ppc (= |
| 21:16.40 | shingouz | BibTeX: as a scsi drive |
| 21:16.45 | paulswm | Heh |
| 21:16.47 | resiak | !usb disk |
| 21:16.50 | resiak | :-/ |
| 21:16.51 | Teemu_K | <PROTECTED> |
| 21:16.53 | Teemu_K | 200 NOOP -- did nothing as requested...hah! |
| 21:16.55 | simonrvn | that's in experimental... |
| 21:16.57 | Kyrel | !usb disk |
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| 21:17.03 | resiak | Kyrel: No, it doesn't do anything. |
| 21:17.09 | Teemu_K | nice thing on tw-200 ftp :> |
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| 21:17.17 | BibTeX | mount /dev/sda /mnt/usb ? |
| 21:17.20 | osh | What's a good tool for converting DVD's to XviD? I want to bring some movies on a trip. |
| 21:17.20 | Kyrel | resiak, it must do something ? |
| 21:17.24 | paulswm | !usb |
| 21:17.24 | dpkg | usb is, like, (Universal Serial Bus) A technology that has replaced the way that some peripheral devices connect to a computer. It is much faster than serial and parallel communications. It is also much more flexible: it will be able to connect to many devices simultaneously. http://www.linux-usb.org, or http://www.linux-usb.org/USB-guide/book1.html |
| 21:17.28 | Azar | sepski I have edited discover.d/alsa-base and /hotplug/alsa-base by removing my sound modules from the restricted lists |
| 21:17.35 | Azar | rebooted and I get same stuff |
| 21:17.37 | osh | !xvid |
| 21:17.37 | dpkg | rumour has it, xvid is a free/speech divx codec. http://www.xvid.org Get debs (current package name: libxvidcore4) from marillat. |
| 21:17.43 | silverwolf | What package should i install for the glib.h file. I want it so it includes properly with <glib.h>. because the liborbit-dev package rely on it being there. |
| 21:17.45 | sepski | Azar, i never had to do that |
| 21:18.06 | Kyrel | Can someboduy help me about GTK ? |
| 21:18.06 | streuner | silverwolf: /msg dpkg search |
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| 21:18.14 | Gnea | silverwolf: apt-cache search glib dev |
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| 21:18.15 | resiak | Kyrel: No, it doesn't have to. dpkg doesn't have a factoid called "usb disk" |
| 21:18.32 | Azar | sepski I am sure, but it seems that something goes wrong, I have "removed" alsa and installing with this guideline: http://www.alsa-project.org/alsa-doc/doc-php/template.php?company=VIA&card=.&chip=VIA82C686%2C+VIA8233%2C+VIA8233A%2C+VIA8235&module=via82xx |
| 21:18.32 | paulswm | silverwolf: libglib1.2-dev |
| 21:18.33 | Gnurdux | sarge not out /msg dpkg wwsr |
| 21:18.34 | Gnea | !tell Kyrel about ask |
| 21:18.38 | silverwolf | Gnea, yes. But it installs it in /usr/include/glib-2.0/ where i can't refer to it without chaning the source code |
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| 21:18.52 | silverwolf | changing |
| 21:18.55 | Azar | ...tho I am afraid that will not be "the Debian way" |
| 21:18.55 | streuner | paulswm: fish |
| 21:19.06 | Gnea | silverwolf: how many files are in glib-2.0/ ? |
| 21:19.06 | BucWheat | sepski got any ideas? |
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| 21:19.14 | paulswm | silverwolf: actually, libglib2.0-dev as well, I guess depends what version you're using |
| 21:19.16 | P8ntKid | What do you guys think is the best debian based distro? |
| 21:19.20 | P8ntKid | besides sarge |
| 21:19.24 | Azar | SArge |
| 21:19.29 | Azar | :) |
| 21:19.31 | streuner | !start a distro war |
| 21:19.31 | dpkg | Gentoo is stupid! |
| 21:19.39 | muwu3 | Hi. I notice that wlan-ng driver is included with Sid... Is there a way to import this to Sarge without breaking my system? |
| 21:19.41 | silverwolf | Gnea, over 50 |
| 21:19.44 | streuner | P8ntKid: troll somewhere else |
| 21:19.44 | Azar | I like Woody too but hey I am not wanting video chat and stuff |
| 21:19.45 | paulswm | streuner: fish? |
| 21:19.49 | P8ntKid | k, sorry |
| 21:19.49 | Gud | !start a communist war against the infidels |
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| 21:19.51 | deadcat | P8ntKid: sarge is not a debian based |
| 21:19.52 | simonrvn | debian |
| 21:19.53 | Kleggas | is it possible to apt-get an older file from a repository than the newest? |
| 21:19.59 | Kyrel | I wonder if (and how, at last, i've already try to) I can create a hander on a gtk::window and how I can use it with the gtk::main::run() method |
| 21:20.02 | Gnea | silverwolf: hrm, you're running ./configure for your program? |
| 21:20.11 | Azar | simonrvn had the best answer |
| 21:20.12 | P8ntKid | Im using Mepis right now, just wondering if i should switch to something else |
| 21:20.12 | streuner | paulswm: to 'catch' fishes is better than fish itself... |
| 21:20.25 | sepski | Azar, sorry i only did what /msg dpkg alsa said. + i rebooted and turned up the volume. |
| 21:20.25 | silverwolf | Gnea, yes :) |
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| 21:20.32 | resiak | !tell BibTeX -about usb-storage |
| 21:20.35 | silverwolf | But ill just fix it with an include path instead |
| 21:20.43 | paulswm | streuner: Ah! give a man a fish, teach a man how to fish, I get it :) |
| 21:20.50 | BucWheat | sepski i get this after bootsplash goes from silent to verbose after 1/2 second of being displayed: RAMDISK: Couldn't find valid RAM disk image starting at 0. |
| 21:20.53 | jethro | !d-i P8ntKid |
| 21:20.54 | dpkg | P8ntKid, you want to go to http://www.debian.org/devel/debian-installer/ - for your own good, and everyone else's. |
| 21:20.54 | Azar | sepski I am able to hear the speakers when I bootup, loud and clear click |
| 21:20.54 | Teemu_K | <PROTECTED> |
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| 21:21.05 | Azar | I know I do have sound |
| 21:21.06 | streuner | paulswm: uhm, that's what i wanna say ;-) |
| 21:21.06 | Gnea | P8ntKid: well mepis is like knoppix/kanotix/elive/ubuntu, they're not debian but they use a debian base, but we don't support them here - try those out and maybe see what suits you |
| 21:21.08 | BucWheat | sepski but yet i see the splash screen and tux in the background |
| 21:21.09 | Azar | alsa refuses to see it |
| 21:21.10 | Kyrel | not a hander sorry, a handle :p I'm french, English is hard ! |
| 21:21.33 | Azar | indeed we are hard, Kyrel |
| 21:21.43 | Gnea | silverwolf: ok, and after you installed it are you re-running it in the same source tree or are you just trying to make again? |
| 21:21.44 | Kyrel | lol |
| 21:21.53 | MobyTurbo | !lol |
| 21:21.53 | dpkg | lol stands for Lamer On Line, or everytime someone says lol, greycat kills a penguin. |
| 21:21.54 | silverwolf | Gnea, i've tried configure it |
| 21:21.59 | resiak | !fr |
| 21:21.59 | dpkg | Les personnes qui parlent francais et qui ont besoin d'une aide a propos de Debian peuvent venir sur #debian-fr - People speaking french and in need of support for debian, please join #debian-fr |
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| 21:22.13 | paulswm | streuner: ?Give a man a fish; you have fed him for today. Teach a man to fish; and you will not have to listen to his incessant whining about how hungry he is.? |
| 21:22.15 | paulswm | Heh. |
| 21:22.21 | Gnea | silverwolf: have you rm -rf the source tree and re-uncompressed it? |
| 21:22.35 | resiak | paulswm: What kind of quotemarks were they? |
| 21:22.37 | simonrvn | hehe, interesting user-agent line: Mozilla/5.0 (Windows; U; Windows NT 5.1; en-US; rv:1.7.8) Gecko/20050511 Firefox/1.0.4 (All your Firefox/1.0.4 are belong to Firesomething) |
| 21:22.37 | karamelos | HighPingedLPB, everytime I use mkinitrd for a newly installed kernel I get this error: warning: gids truncated to 8 bits (this may be a security concern) |
| 21:22.37 | streuner | paulswm: exactly :-)) |
| 21:22.41 | silverwolf | hehe it's my own program |
| 21:22.46 | paulswm | resiak: double quotes |
| 21:22.54 | resiak | paulswm: "s? They showed up as ?s for me. |
| 21:22.55 | Gnea | [ etox ] .. Cleaning .. Building .. Install .. |
| 21:23.01 | paulswm | resiak: Oh, wait, no |
| 21:23.05 | silverwolf | The next question is. What package do glibconfig.h belong to |
| 21:23.20 | paulswm | resiak: copied/pasted from here: http://www.amatecon.com/fish.html |
| 21:23.30 | streuner | see ^^ |
| 21:23.35 | streuner | silverwolf: read the damn factoid |
| 21:23.47 | streuner | !search |
| 21:23.48 | dpkg | methinks search is try 'apt-cache search <regex>', if you want to know what package owns a file use dpkg -S /bin/foo. To find a package based on what files it includes use 'apt-get install apt-file;apt-file update;apt-file search foo'. Use http://packages.debian.org if you're not on a debian system. /msg <bot> find <thing> if you're already here. /msg <bot> listkeys <thing> to find factoids containing <thing>, or apt-cache search <search terms> |
| 21:23.50 | Gnea | silverwolf: looks like the same package to me |
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| 21:24.17 | Gnea | dpkg -S /usr/lib/glib-2.0/include/glibconfig.h |
| 21:24.18 | dpkg | Badgers ate my /usr/lib/glib-2.0/include/glibconfig.h! |
| 21:24.20 | osh | Is there a amd64 install iso for debian somewhere now or is that still something that will be done "after sarge is released"? |
| 21:24.32 | zlibre | AZETA |
| 21:24.35 | Gnea | !amd64 |
| 21:24.35 | dpkg | it has been said that amd64 is See http://www.debian.org/ports/amd64/ and the #debian-amd64 IRC channel, or https://alioth.debian.org/docman/view.php/30192/21/debian-amd64-howto.html See http://debian-amd64.alioth.debian.org/install-images/ for ISOs. unofficial at the moment, will be a supported arch on Etch (Sarge + 1), or a generic name. it also supports xeon etc, see http://wiki.debian.net/?DebianAMD64Faq |
| 21:24.36 | streuner | osh: /msg dpkg amd64 |
| 21:24.41 | zlibre | somebody speak spanish here? |
| 21:24.45 | streuner | !es |
| 21:24.45 | dpkg | Hispanohablantes: Por favor usen #debian-es, alli obtendran mas ayuda. Spanish Speakers: Please use #debian-es, there you will get much more help. |
| 21:24.47 | zlibre | Some body? |
| 21:24.53 | Kyrel | dpkg, thanks for the debian-fr chan :p |
| 21:24.53 | dpkg | Kyrel: no problem |
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| 21:25.01 | Gnea | !tell zlibre about #debian-es |
| 21:25.01 | Kyrel | mdr |
| 21:25.10 | jf3 | is mysql client tab completion working in sid? "/etc/mysql/my.cnf" has no-auto-rehash commented out. Tried 'rehash', doesn't help. |
| 21:25.13 | osh | Thanks. |
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| 21:26.19 | paulswm | As it's slowed up... |
| 21:26.22 | paulswm | !qotd86 |
| 21:26.22 | dpkg | < tim> fuck!! - I have just sourced ~.bash_history instead .bashrc |
| 21:26.25 | xai | has anyone noticed reduction in print font size in tbird on testing? mozilla guys are not talking. |
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| 21:26.38 | silverwolf | Gnea, yes. But it issent :) It's part of libgimp-dev, but that package is going to libgimp2.0-dev which don't have the glibconfig.h file |
| 21:26.41 | karamelos | when I use mkinitrd I get this error: "warning: gids truncated to 8 bits" how can I solve this? |
| 21:26.41 | sepski | BucWheat, it's not related to this is it ? http://sourceforge.net/mailarchive/forum.php?thread_id=6986667&forum_id=36622 |
| 21:26.56 | streuner | karamelos: unstable? |
| 21:27.02 | karamelos | streuner, yes |
| 21:27.11 | streuner | karamelos: what does BTS say? |
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| 21:27.37 | Ramonskie | how can i compleetly remove exim |
| 21:27.38 | Gnea | silverwolf: heh, i think you need to re-check your sources buddy :) |
| 21:27.40 | karamelos | streuner, mmm, didn't check, 'll do it now. |
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| 21:27.50 | streuner | Ramonskie: install another MTA |
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| 21:28.04 | streuner | Ramonskie: MTA is essential in debian |
| 21:28.15 | zlibre | how can i send private messages to some especific user? i'm using Xchat! |
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| 21:28.23 | silverwolf | Gnea, hehe :) Im not the only one with the problem can i see on google :) |
| 21:28.24 | streuner | !msg me |
| 21:28.25 | dpkg | Nobody is going to /msg you. Especially, don't /msg streuner. |
| 21:28.26 | addNtoX | hi folks |
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| 21:28.43 | mintee | has anyone used a qlogic HBA iscsi card? |
| 21:28.45 | streuner | zlibre: /msg <nick> blahblah |
| 21:28.47 | resiak | !anyone use |
| 21:28.47 | dpkg | No, no one uses it, not even the people who use it. |
| 21:28.48 | Ramonskie | streaner: i have qmail installed |
| 21:28.57 | sepski | zlibre, /msg nickname to send a message to another user /query nickname to open a new private window with that user |
| 21:28.58 | Ramonskie | sendmail in php is just not working |
| 21:29.27 | streuner | Ramonskie: and your still unable to remove exim, interesting. |
| 21:29.29 | zlibre | some body can see me? |
| 21:29.43 | streuner | Ramonskie: are you sure its installed at all? |
| 21:29.44 | shingouz | zlibre: no |
| 21:29.48 | Ramonskie | and if i do update exim still wat to update |
| 21:29.51 | MobyTurbo | !somebody |
| 21:29.51 | dpkg | well, somebody is a person , who has a body |
| 21:30.04 | silverwolf | Gnea, ah :) It's installed in another location.. jesus crhist.. :) |
| 21:30.08 | Ramonskie | streuner:: if i type sendmail it comes up with some exim story |
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| 21:30.32 | streuner | Ramonskie: sendmail is a symlink also in debian... |
| 21:30.39 | MobyTurbo | Ramonskie: did you install qmail via source or apt-get? |
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| 21:30.44 | sepski | Ramonskie, do you have qmail installed from sources ? |
| 21:30.57 | Ramonskie | yes |
| 21:31.07 | Ramonskie | with the help of qmailrocks |
| 21:31.26 | Ramonskie | but i worked a month ago |
| 21:31.39 | MobyTurbo | Ramonskie: that's your problem then, if you didn't apt-get it Debian doesn't know its there. |
| 21:31.45 | Ronin | what have you changed in the meantime Ramonskie? |
| 21:31.49 | sepski | Ramonskie, use the equivs package to simulate a MTA, remove your exim and reinstall your qmail sources |
| 21:32.08 | Ronin | Ramonskie: which is all covered on the qmr website |
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| 21:32.20 | sepski | Ramonskie, or just use a debian packaged mailserver :) |
| 21:32.38 | takatumi | Liverpool won. |
| 21:32.41 | streuner | hm, a lot of qmail experts here |
| 21:32.42 | Ramonskie | how do i do i say its there with out reinstalling qmail again from source |
| 21:32.46 | binarydigit | yea crazy game |
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| 21:33.07 | Ronin | Ramonskie: go read on the qmr website/forum its all covered there |
| 21:33.20 | Ramonskie | i did and i did that stuff |
| 21:33.31 | sepski | have _no_ clue on about qmail. bu i know that having 2 mailservers installed at the same time can not be good news :) |
| 21:33.41 | Ronin | google will also tell you how to hold back packages in debian |
| 21:33.44 | Ramonskie | and i worked but now it aint anymore :( |
| 21:34.03 | streuner | !hold |
| 21:34.03 | dpkg | hold is, like, a status flag to tell apt not to automatically upgrade a package. apt will place packages on hold if they require packages that are not currently installable; you can 'apt-get install pkgname' to explicitly install the package. To put a package on hold, 'echo pkgname hold | dpkg --set-selections' or use the '=' key on the package in dselect. Use 'echo pkgname install | dpkg --set-selections' to remove the hold. |
| 21:34.19 | Ronin | id ask either int #qmr or thier forum as this isn't really a debian problem |
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| 21:34.35 | Ramonskie | okay |
| 21:34.39 | Ramonskie | thx for helping |
| 21:34.40 | Ramonskie | :p |
| 21:34.57 | serendipity | *say |
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| 21:35.42 | karamelos | streuner, BTS for mkinitrd-tools does not mention this error: warning: gids truncated to 8 bits |
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| 21:36.54 | streuner | karamelos: compile a new kernel? |
| 21:37.32 | Glitch_Master | Ha... once again I went out of my way to solve a much simpler problem. |
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| 21:37.53 | Glitch_Master | xscreensaver was crashing because some of the pngs being loaded were corrupt, apparently. |
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| 21:38.17 | karamelos | streuner, yes I compiled 2.6.12-rc4 and added patches for realtime performance. |
| 21:38.32 | streuner | karamelos: try kernel-package as well |
| 21:39.31 | shingouz | karamelos: do you really need initrd or would it be possible for you to boot without it by compiling the drivers for the root filesystem statically? |
| 21:39.33 | karamelos | streuner, I used make-kpkg. |
| 21:39.38 | streuner | yes |
| 21:39.54 | karamelos | shingouz, whithout the initrd, the kernel paniced. |
| 21:40.04 | streuner | karamelos: yes, just disable initrd |
| 21:40.13 | streuner | karamelos: in make menuconfig |
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| 21:40.32 | karamelos | streuner, in which section is that option? |
| 21:40.47 | shingouz | karamelos: you had all the necessary drivers in it? ide, scsi, sata, chipset driver, filesystem? |
| 21:40.47 | paulswm | karamelos: if you're going to the trouble of compiling your own kernel, you don't need initrd if you compile in (not as modules) the stuff you need to mount your root filesystem |
| 21:40.48 | yac | is there some secret package source for mplayer ? |
| 21:41.01 | shingouz | !marillat |
| 21:41.01 | dpkg | i heard marillat is an unofficial repository containing packages not in Debian for patent-related reasons, <mplayer> being the most popular. See ftp://ftp.nerim.net/debian-marillat/index.html for details on how to add this repository to your sources.list |
| 21:41.04 | streuner | karamelos: CONFIG_BLK_DEV_INITRD is not set |
| 21:41.33 | streuner | karamelos: its after RAM or such |
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| 21:42.05 | yac | shingouz: danke, danke |
| 21:42.16 | shingouz | :) |
| 21:42.37 | karamelos | paulswm, well, I just have to know which are thouse stuff to mount the root filesystem. |
| 21:42.59 | shingouz | karamelos: lets go through your hardware then |
| 21:42.59 | omi | would anyone know why proliant 5000 doesn't boot 2.6 series kernels? do I need bios update or something? |
| 21:43.04 | sepski | i get perl error messages about perl: warning: Setting locale failed, and LC_ALL = (unset) i have tried dpkg-reconfigure locales and selecting a sensible locale, but it seams to not have an effect. where is LC_ALL set from ? |
| 21:43.13 | streuner | karamelos: CONFIG_BLK_DEV_INITRD <-- BLK (Block)_DEV(Device) HINT HINT |
| 21:43.15 | shingouz | omi: hardware raid? |
| 21:44.27 | omi | yeah I have the raid controller that came with it |
| 21:44.29 | solemnwarning | hi all |
| 21:44.33 | ZombB | I have a question considering the release of sarge. I am running sid / unstable now and i want to change to testing at the releasepoint. Since I know unstable is allways called sid and the new testing will be called etch. When should I change my sources.list ? |
| 21:44.33 | doublehp | which package is libart-png in ? |
| 21:44.33 | sepski | arrgh just ignore my last q, i obviously had to relogin after reconfiguring locales. just beeing to tiered probably |
| 21:44.36 | solemnwarning | im running deb sarge on my router |
| 21:44.41 | streuner | karamelos: what does 'grep -i initrd your_kernel_config' say? |
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| 21:44.44 | shingouz | omi: care to elaborate which it is? smartarray2? |
| 21:44.51 | solemnwarning | but the net keeps getting slower and slower |
| 21:44.57 | omi | yeah |
| 21:45.08 | Azar | ok the golden question: everytime I do alsaconf it finds my right sound device and it asks me: Do you want to modify /etc/modprobe.d/sound ( and /etc/modprobe.conf if present)? I am not sure what to say.... |
| 21:45.09 | solemnwarning | and the only way to get speed back up is a reboot |
| 21:45.12 | solemnwarning | any1 know wtf this is? |
| 21:45.13 | omi | it has 16 mb cache if I'm not mistaken |
| 21:45.23 | karamelos | streuner, it says CONFIG_BLK_DEV_INITRD=y |
| 21:45.25 | streuner | solemnwarning: disable everything which uses bandwidth ? |
| 21:45.27 | shingouz | omi: you need to have cpqarray in the kernel for it to boot |
| 21:45.39 | jethro | !tell solemnwarning -about enter |
| 21:45.44 | solemnwarning | theres nothing using bw on router |
| 21:45.45 | omi | shingouz, I know, it boots with any 2.4 kernels |
| 21:45.58 | streuner | karamelos: ok just disable initrd then, make sure you have all modules for your hardware and FS not as module in kernel |
| 21:45.58 | omi | shingouz, but anything that is 2.6 it just hangs at boot |
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| 21:46.11 | Azar | ZombB: you cannot go back to testing with apt sources.list, you have to reinstall |
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| 21:46.17 | sepski | solemnwarning, ipconntrack overflowing ? arp table overflowing, both of those can couse drops, and will be reset on reboot. do you see messages from dmesg when you notice the net slowdown ? |
| 21:46.24 | shingouz | omi: check the 2.6 you plan on using, you need to have the correct driver for the root filesystem in the kernel or in the initrd |
| 21:46.29 | solemnwarning | ? |
| 21:46.36 | solemnwarning | youve lost me :S |
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| 21:47.02 | sepski | solemnwarning, to put it another way, what do you notice in your logs messages and dmesg, when you notice the slowdown ? |
| 21:47.12 | solemnwarning | hold on |
| 21:47.13 | streuner | karamelos: /msg dpkg kp and read the URL mentioned there (KERNEL-HOWTO) |
| 21:47.17 | jasoncohen | i'm always having problems using X11 over ssh when I'm root. I have to delete /root/.Xauthority and re-link my user's .Xauthority file to /root. Is there a permenant fix? |
| 21:47.22 | solemnwarning | what log should i look at? |
| 21:47.59 | karamelos | streuner, ok thanks |
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| 21:48.03 | omi | shingouz, even if I had something wrong with initrd, it would at least say some stuff like this is kernel 2.6.something you have this cpu, this much ram |
| 21:48.12 | omi | shingouz, but there's no output of any kind |
| 21:48.21 | sepski | solemnwarning, dmesg most importantly, but if your troubleshooting you should look at all of them |
| 21:48.24 | omi | shingouz, so the kernel doesn't boot at all |
| 21:48.34 | shingouz | omi: nothing? just a black screeNn? |
| 21:48.35 | sepski | if you dont you arent actualy troubleshooting. |
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| 21:49.07 | floppyears | hi |
| 21:49.08 | floppyears | could somebody suggest me to a good gui app to read and work with latex files ? |
| 21:49.16 | omi | shingouz, yeah just black screen after LILO said booting 2.6 |
| 21:49.32 | K_Dallas | floppyears, try KILE |
| 21:49.37 | K_Dallas | or texemacs |
| 21:49.40 | floppyears | K_Dallas: thanks |
| 21:49.41 | shingouz | omi: what kernel? |
| 21:49.43 | K_Dallas | pleasure |
| 21:49.49 | caphuso | texmacs, not texemacs |
| 21:49.58 | K_Dallas | yeah, always mix them pu :) thank you |
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| 21:50.01 | omi | I tried 2.6.4, 2.6.6 2.6.8,9,10 |
| 21:50.02 | K_Dallas | up* |
| 21:50.10 | K_Dallas | i use xemacs and love it ;) |
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| 21:50.14 | omi | anything 2.4.30 works fine |
| 21:50.21 | solemnwarning | dmesg looks normal |
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| 21:50.39 | K_Dallas | somebody made SEMACS or something and i do not know what it has different but to me it looked the same ;) |
| 21:50.50 | shingouz | omi: dammit... debian or custom and the precise version if you use a debian kernel. i need to figure out what the kernel has in it to be able to even attempt diagnosing anything |
| 21:50.54 | caphuso | although emacs, in conjunction with auctex and maybe preview-latex makes a very decent TeX environment |
| 21:51.02 | K_Dallas | caphuso, absolutely |
| 21:51.20 | K_Dallas | kile though it in its own place a great project |
| 21:51.21 | omi | shingouz, I tried both debian made and self made |
| 21:51.22 | caphuso | preview-latex is really ugly and annoying, so if you're into useless eyecandy, you probably like it |
| 21:51.24 | omi | same story |
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| 21:51.46 | K_Dallas | preview-latex need not to be active all the time |
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| 21:53.02 | shingouz | omi: can you be a bit more vague? the kernels are missing somethign but i do not know what. you have not even been able to tell me the exact raid controller. if you have the box up right now do an lsmod on it and lemme know what the raid driver is and the output of uname -a |
| 21:53.11 | ResPiDeR | how do I set pppd to auto reconnect adls if it gets down? |
| 21:53.22 | caphuso | ResPiDeR: persist option |
| 21:53.32 | K_Dallas | what did i miss? I got disconnected :) |
| 21:53.58 | shingouz | omi: bah, i'll go have a smoke now, need some caffeine too |
| 21:54.05 | omi | gime a min I'll boot the box |
| 21:54.10 | K_Dallas | i have a problme with my modem answering all the calls, forgot how to change it or where ;) |
| 21:54.23 | shingouz | omi: paste in #flood when you are ready, i'll be back in about ten |
| 21:54.25 | ResPiDeR | caphuso: only removing "#" from persist will work? |
| 21:54.33 | caphuso | ResPiDeR: it should |
| 21:54.36 | omi | k |
| 21:54.43 | ResPiDeR | caphuso: ty |
| 21:55.10 | caphuso | modulo bugs like #306261 |
| 21:55.11 | Azar | well sepski, I uninstalled alsa then installed the way you did with dpkg message: same problem |
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| 21:56.02 | caphuso | one of the "eat shit, you 'sid is stable enough' dumbass" type bugs |
| 21:56.13 | Azar | how can I remove the oss? |
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| 21:56.42 | Azar | oh I do not have it lol |
| 21:57.29 | sepski | Azar, then im afraid im out of idead. |
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| 21:59.50 | MrKeuner | /var/log/installer.log can this file most possibly have the same date I installed my system? are there other applications than debian installer that may have written later on it? |
| 21:59.51 | Azar | alsactl restore / store refuses to see my card |
| 21:59.56 | Azar | thats where the problem is |
| 22:00.26 | Azar | sepski, I am not alone here: http://www.linuxquestions.org/questions/archive/14/2005/03/1/281759 |
| 22:00.39 | yac | one stupid question... how can i maximalize mplayer in xmms ? |
| 22:00.49 | yac | mean fullscreen |
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| 22:01.30 | sepski | Azar, well if your 100% sure all your oss kernel modules are not loaded and your 100% sure your loading the correct alsa kernel modules. then i have no clue. |
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| 22:01.45 | sepski | Azar, are you running bleeding edge hardware on a older kernel or something ? |
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| 22:02.48 | Azar | sepski, my PC is 4 years old, and I installed Woody, then upgraded to Sarge, got a precompiled kernel from it, 2.6.8 |
| 22:03.02 | sepski | lol not that then |
| 22:03.04 | Azar | original woody install was last month |
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| 22:03.41 | Azar | the pain is the part of my learning and I refuse to believe alsa will not run on Sarge |
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| 22:03.59 | pipeline | of course alsa works fine in sarge |
| 22:04.02 | Azar | I need to know where is the problem so I am checking all stuff |
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| 22:04.08 | cureless | Azar: you mean "alsa will not run on my computer" |
| 22:04.19 | Debonair | When I upgrade from the default kernel 2.2.20 (on x86), my NIC is no longer detected by the new kernel. |
| 22:04.29 | sepski | goodnight |
| 22:04.42 | Azar | cureless, I am getting a stubborn refusal from alsa ctl to see my sound card at bootup |
| 22:04.52 | cureless | Azar: what is your soundcard? |
| 22:04.59 | Azar | via82xx |
| 22:05.08 | cureless | Azar: did you try alsaconf? |
| 22:05.12 | Blissex | Azar: http://tinyurl.com/4ogk2#troubleshooting |
| 22:05.13 | shingouz | omi: got it |
| 22:05.25 | Azar | I did like six times today |
| 22:05.33 | Azar | blissex, tahnks taking a look |
| 22:06.25 | paulswm | The one gripe I have about Linux is that setting up sound really sucks ass |
| 22:06.28 | cureless | Azar: what kernel are you using? |
| 22:06.36 | Azar | cureless 2.6.8 |
| 22:06.44 | cureless | Azar: the debian one? |
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| 22:06.49 | Azar | Sarge |
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| 22:07.01 | Azar | yes, the precompiled one, cureless |
| 22:07.05 | cureless | Azar: yes, but did you compile it or is it the .deb one.... ok. |
| 22:07.06 | shingouz | omi: in a custom kernel you will need: cpqarray, isa, pci, pci hotplug, smp and the filesystem drivers statically, everything else can be modules and you will not need initrd. make one and it should boot |
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| 22:07.42 | Azar | I could have compiled one myself but I am wanting to stay within strict Debian Sarge rules to see what I can milk from |
| 22:07.45 | shingouz | omi: scsi and scsi disk are useful too of course along with sscsi generic |
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| 22:08.20 | Azar | sigh ok I have to eat today...afk |
| 22:08.20 | cureless | Azar: I have that chipset working just fine on my system (along with a SB) |
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| 22:08.43 | Azar | cureless, I bet it does, I am sure I have some wrong installation somewhere |
| 22:09.05 | cureless | Azar: you can try to load the modules by hand. You still need to start alsa and set volumes. |
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| 22:11.21 | Myren | how do i reverse lookup an ip address? |
| 22:11.27 | Myren | reverse dns lookup an ip address |
| 22:11.28 | shingouz | dig |
| 22:11.34 | shingouz | nslookup |
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| 22:11.45 | caphuso | host |
| 22:11.46 | lars-ut | host |
| 22:12.30 | cureless | nslookup is sort of depricated. |
| 22:13.10 | caphuso | and will probably stay so for the next 10 years... |
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| 22:13.47 | pipeline | nslookup was deprecated and then it wasn't |
| 22:14.07 | s0m30n3 | anybody can help me about freeradius ? |
| 22:14.48 | Myren | haha. |
| 22:15.04 | quittt | !debianconf |
| 22:15.35 | quittt | !debconf |
| 22:15.36 | dpkg | debconf is probably Debian's configuration management system for packages, giving a single interface for asking and storing configuration-related settings for packages. <http://auric.debian.org/~joeyh/debconf-stats/> |
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| 22:16.01 | s0m30n3 | !freeradius |
| 22:16.01 | dpkg | it has been said that freeradius is radiusd-freeradius, see "The Story of radiusd-freeradius" on http://www.debian.org/News/weekly/2003/02/ |
| 22:16.02 | s0m30n3 | :) |
| 22:16.12 | calljair | guys I have a question about the openoffice |
| 22:16.17 | calljair | it is a channel for it? |
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| 22:16.32 | quittt | how do I change debconf to shell, not to GTK? |
| 22:16.37 | calljair | and also I have question about the konqueror and my debian laptop |
| 22:17.34 | cheal | calljair: there's a #debian-kde, a #openoffice.org, and a rather empty #debian-oo |
| 22:17.45 | calljair | cool |
| 22:17.46 | calljair | thanks |
| 22:18.55 | ethics | paulswm. its much better in 1.0.8+...the kernel ones are older |
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| 22:19.57 | SuperSox | !u |
| 22:19.57 | dpkg | Damnit Jim! It's YOU. Y-O-U. Not *U*. U is a letter. YOU is a word. See ne1, or wud. Dutch for 'you' (formal singular). See http://ars.userfriendly.org/cartoons/?id=20041201 |
| 22:20.08 | SuperSox | Damnit Jim! It's YOU. Y-O-U. Not *U*. U is a letter. YOU is a word. See ne1, or wud. Dutch for 'you' (formal |
| 22:20.15 | SuperSox | err sorry, missifre :) |
| 22:20.37 | s0m30n3 | !prodigy |
| 22:20.37 | dpkg | i heard prodigy is the best coding music. |
| 22:20.43 | slappy16 | wud? |
| 22:20.50 | s0m30n3 | yeah thats right |
| 22:20.50 | s0m30n3 | :D |
| 22:20.51 | WillR | can someone answer this question: i have an IDE Hard drive with debian on it.... i have a second SATA HD with nothing on it... I amd trying to boot both Hd's together.....i want IDE as primary master and SATA as whatever afterwareds.....is that possible....?? right now sata keeps stealing prim master and sending ide to 2nd or 3rd master....linux wont boot |
| 22:20.59 | s0m30n3 | !evanescence |
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| 22:21.14 | calljair | cheal: thank you |
| 22:21.19 | Delph | WillR: prod your BIOS into submission |
| 22:21.26 | Guerin | evanescense is the best music to sit and whine about how bad your parents are to |
| 22:21.29 | shingouz | s0m30n3: if you want to play with the bots, /msg them |
| 22:21.31 | WillR | have been doing that to no success |
| 22:21.40 | Delph | WillR: failing that you'll have to install some sort of boot loader on the SATA hdd and point it at the IDE one. |
| 22:21.40 | s0m30n3 | shingouz : ok |
| 22:21.42 | WillR | it IS possible to boot sata as secondary and ide as primary? |
| 22:21.42 | Guerin | and certainly the best music to apply too much black eye makeup to |
| 22:21.46 | cheal | calljair: eh...no problem, usually people don't ask for redirections :) |
| 22:21.57 | Delph | WillR: it's *very much* a per-BIOS thing. |
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| 22:23.05 | calljair | cheal: is because for some reason when I click on a new link to open it something tells konqueror to open, and I have firefox as my default browser. |
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| 22:23.43 | calljair | cheal: it is a little bit annoying to have the konqueror open togueter with firefox. |
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| 22:23.46 | Blissex | calljair: there are many ''default browser'' settings potentially. Default for what? |
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| 22:24.02 | cheal | calljair: hehe, I'm reading a bug report about default browser right now |
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| 22:24.18 | Blissex | WillR: the PATA/SATA issue has to be solved at the BIOS level |
| 22:24.25 | cheal | oh, both open? |
| 22:24.34 | cheal | ah no I understand |
| 22:24.34 | ethics | WillR, normally the SATA controllers have emulation via the bios and you can choose if its sata first or second |
| 22:24.43 | Blissex | WillR: usually there is a BIOS setting on which you can choose which one comes first. |
| 22:24.44 | calljair | Blissex: I did the correction on the control center for the internet browser. it is set up to firefox |
| 22:25.14 | WillR | it says like "p-ata + S-ata" compatible |
| 22:25.15 | WillR | thats on |
| 22:25.18 | Blissex | calljair: there can be a default for every application or class of applications. Like KDE, GNOME, or individual applications... |
| 22:25.20 | calljair | cheal: any idea for that? |
| 22:25.25 | WillR | and yes they both are recognised EXCEPT.. sata always comes ffirst |
| 22:25.26 | quittt | HOW DO I CLEAN GNOME? |
| 22:25.36 | cheal | calljair: I'm checking...but it's somewhere |
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| 22:25.38 | ethics | WillR: in the advanced section does it have a boot order ? |
| 22:25.39 | binarydigit | soap |
| 22:25.40 | binarydigit | water |
| 22:25.56 | shingouz | and a squeegee |
| 22:26.02 | Blissex | WillR: there is almost surely a setting about boot order or whether to activate first the internal or external controllers. |
| 22:26.07 | cheal | calljair: check kcontrol's "KDE components" |
| 22:26.11 | calljair | Blissex: I want the internet browser be set up to mozilla firefox and the konqueror to browse the documents on the system |
| 22:26.12 | Guerin | !remove gnome |
| 22:26.12 | dpkg | remove gnome is, like, apt-get --purge remove libgnome32 libgnome2-common (or ask me about "install gnome"), or after removing those, run 'aptitude' and look at section 'gnome' to remove rest. |
| 22:26.15 | WillR | boot order sure.. but id IDE is HDC i get a kernel panic |
| 22:26.15 | Guerin | quittt: ^^^ |
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| 22:26.29 | WillR | id =if |
| 22:26.38 | calljair | cheal: I get there already and I set the default browser to firefox |
| 22:26.44 | Blissex | WillR: unfortunately on some motherboards there is no way to change the order. |
| 22:26.45 | calljair | cheal: it was konqueror |
| 22:27.14 | cheal | calljair: hum. maybe you need to restart KDE :? |
| 22:27.24 | Blissex | WillR: however if you get a panic on boot probably you can just get the 'root=....' setting in the boot menu to point to the root |
| 22:27.43 | WillR | donno how to modify that onlilo |
| 22:27.58 | calljair | cheal: I am having this problem scince I install sarge on my laptop |
| 22:28.12 | calljair | cheal: do you know how many time I did restart KDE |
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| 22:28.52 | cheal | calljair: ask #debian-kde |
| 22:29.14 | calljair | cheal: ok |
| 22:29.16 | calljair | cool |
| 22:29.17 | XBM-X | dude can you belive i got banned from g4tv irc chat room for saying that linux is better than windows |
| 22:29.18 | calljair | thanks |
| 22:29.20 | gahan | 3i/aw |
| 22:29.49 | shingouz | XBM-X: the ops there have to be lusers |
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| 22:30.37 | quittt | HOW DO I CLEAN UP GNOME? |
| 22:30.43 | WillR | ok next question then... is there an easy way to transfer 80gigs IDE to the SATA ? how long would that take? |
| 22:30.49 | XBM-X | im so mad at them |
| 22:31.15 | shingouz | quittt: first, stop shouting and second, tell us what 'cleaning up gnome' means |
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| 22:31.26 | shingouz | quittt: first, stop shouting and second, tell us what 'cleaning up gnome' means |
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| 22:31.51 | quittt | shingouz, it means erase my gnome data from home to restart it |
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| 22:32.09 | XBM-X | does any one no whats the hotmail pop3 address??????????? |
| 22:32.11 | shingouz | quittt: you want to lose all the configs you mean? |
| 22:32.19 | quittt | yes |
| 22:32.33 | shingouz | XBM-X: hotmail addresses can be found from the website |
| 22:32.53 | XBM-X | chigouz: i try to find i cant find noting |
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| 22:33.05 | shingouz | quittt: mv all the .gnome directories in your home to some other name and restart gnomw |
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| 22:33.14 | mortum | XBM-X: hotmail is web mail, no pop3 service available |
| 22:33.50 | XBM-X | mortum: lol i was trying to telnet them |
| 22:34.18 | MobyTurbo | !lol |
| 22:34.18 | dpkg | lol stands for Lamer On Line, or everytime someone says lol, greycat kills a LOLer. |
| 22:34.20 | shingouz | XBM-X: waste of time, they are microsoft |
| 22:34.30 | lethias | quick question, where and what file is the startup screen saved to. |
| 22:34.38 | quittt | shingouz, I did it |
| 22:34.40 | quittt | doesnt work |
| 22:34.40 | S4nD3r_ | Hi there. Just one question... Is there anyway to backup all config files importants to the operating system automatically? |
| 22:34.41 | mortum | XBM-X: yo cant download mail. outlook dont work |
| 22:34.48 | S4nD3r_ | Or, I must do that manually |
| 22:34.56 | XBM-X | i only have an email that suport telnet |
| 22:35.01 | shingouz | quittt: how about defining what you did and what does not work |
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| 22:35.36 | ethics | S4nD3r_, well most of the conf files live in /etc so you could put an rsync /copy/something job in cron to copy them elsewhere |
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| 22:35.52 | XBM-X | does any one no any cool mp3 music? |
| 22:36.09 | shingouz | XBM-X: yea. try mel torme |
| 22:36.10 | S4nD3r_ | Really!!! I will think about it !!! |
| 22:36.12 | lethias | XBM-X: What type of music? |
| 22:36.22 | ethics | XBM-X : id say anyone who has an mp3 they want would say it was a cool mp3... |
| 22:36.36 | lethias | XBM-X: If you like anytime of remix of old and new video games got to ocremix. |
| 22:36.38 | S4nD3r_ | In /etc are the config files about my hardware too ?? |
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| 22:37.14 | XBM-X | i like rock hard core rock |
| 22:37.17 | ethics | S4nD3r_, prolly want /boot too and maybe /lib/kernel/modules |
| 22:37.23 | S4nD3r_ | If I have backuped /etc, and I need to restore a machine, it will keep the machine at the same state of configuretions ?? |
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| 22:37.47 | shingouz | XBM-X: is black sabbath hardcore enough? |
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| 22:38.19 | XBM-X | quittt: oi q q vc ta fazendo a qui?????? |
| 22:38.22 | S4nD3r_ | ethics, thank you very much for all clean answers. |
| 22:38.33 | lethias | Try slip-knot, thats pretty hardcore. |
| 22:38.46 | slappy16 | gawd... |
| 22:38.54 | slappy16 | ggallin |
| 22:38.58 | *** part/#debian _CN_ (~xxx@80.103.129.18) |
| 22:39.03 | XBM-X | quittt: is from Brazil |
| 22:39.11 | ethics | S4nD3r_, you still need to reinstall OS and apps tho so you will need a list of all the packages that are installed also |
| 22:39.12 | slappy16 | sepultura |
| 22:39.15 | quittt | sim |
| 22:39.15 | quittt | sou |
| 22:39.25 | bbrazil | !br |
| 22:39.25 | dpkg | Por favor use #debian-br (/j #debian-br) para ajuda em portugues. |
| 22:39.26 | slappy16 | brujeria |
| 22:39.27 | XBM-X | eheheh |
| 22:39.33 | shingouz | not tonight guys, not tonight |
| 22:39.40 | slappy16 | si senor |
| 22:39.54 | XBM-X | lol |
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| 22:40.03 | XBM-X | i hate brazil |
| 22:40.18 | bbrazil | XBM-X: I hope you're not referring to me |
| 22:40.19 | Blissex | XBM-X: but they have nice nuts! :-) |
| 22:40.29 | XBM-X | i no |
| 22:40.36 | XBM-X | they got some hot ass girls there |
| 22:40.54 | shingouz | pun intended i guess |
| 22:41.30 | XBM-X | cmsor: you from OR? |
| 22:41.54 | XBM-X | cmsor:orlando |
| 22:42.03 | K_Dallas | OR as in Operations Research? ;) |
| 22:42.15 | shingouz | or as in oregon? |
| 22:42.33 | K_Dallas | ;) |
| 22:42.43 | K_Dallas | Ohio River? |
| 22:42.46 | XBM-X | im running this chat room on cmd |
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| 22:43.38 | XBM-X | i got one hp running windows one dell running windows and one laptop running debian |
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| 22:44.29 | XBM-X | wow |
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| 22:44.39 | XBM-X | yo type /user |
| 22:45.03 | S4nD3r_ | ethics, Yes, I understand |
| 22:45.14 | S4nD3r_ | For while, I using SuSE in a little server |
| 22:45.28 | useruser | XBM-X: eh? |
| 22:45.33 | XBM-X | i brb i need to change some stuff |
| 22:45.54 | S4nD3r_ | But, I will stop to work here, then Id like to leave a backup of server config files |
| 22:45.55 | K_Dallas | diapers? |
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| 22:46.54 | tpr | hello |
| 22:47.32 | Azar | ookk back :) |
| 22:47.40 | DerSchotte | When sarge goes stable will I have to jigdo the whole of the 2 DVD images again ? |
| 22:47.57 | K_Dallas | DerSchotte, an update would do your job |
| 22:48.00 | tpr | back with a few challenging (not) questions ;> tried reading about apt-get but didnt find out how to see what packages i have installed on my sys? :< |
| 22:48.00 | Azar | I want to know where is alsa storing my sound card modules to see if it sees it |
| 22:48.16 | Azar | . /proc/asound/cards |
| 22:48.18 | shingouz | tpr: man dpkg |
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| 22:48.24 | Azar | is an invalid directory |
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| 22:48.30 | useruser | tpr: man dpkg |
| 22:48.41 | XBM-X | do any one no any cool FTP site? |
| 22:48.41 | DerSchotte | dpkg -l |
| 22:48.44 | useruser | tpr: or easier still, use aptitude |
| 22:49.07 | comet45 | when using WinSCP the user dont show up who/lastlog/users. howcome? |
| 22:49.11 | useruser | XBM-X: ftp://localhost rocks my world |
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| 22:49.20 | tpr | shingouz: thanks |
| 22:49.21 | XBM-X | lol |
| 22:49.34 | Delph | comet45: because they don't have an interactive shell and only interact with the ssh sftp / scp subsystem thingy |
| 22:49.39 | XBM-X | i got an ftp scanner really hot |
| 22:49.42 | paulswm | !lol |
| 22:49.42 | dpkg | lol stands for Lamer On Line, or everytime someone says lol, greycat kills a porn star. |
| 22:49.48 | shingouz | XBM-X: this is not #warez |
| 22:50.17 | XBM-X | warez? whats that |
| 22:50.36 | paulswm | !nickometer XBM-X |
| 22:50.36 | dpkg | 'XBM-X' is 79.000% lame, paulswm |
| 22:50.47 | shingouz | just 79%? wow |
| 22:50.51 | paulswm | HAHA |
| 22:51.02 | XBM-X | yes i have FTP scanner |
| 22:51.09 | XBM-X | im not laming |
| 22:51.15 | useruser | XBM-X: nobody cares, though |
| 22:51.17 | cmsor | XBM-X: oregon. |
| 22:51.36 | shingouz | XBM-X: neat. you have an ftp scanner.. ooo. do i look like i care? |
| 22:51.44 | useruser | XBM-X: see? |
| 22:52.01 | XBM-X | is it true that every time you download mp3 god kills an kittin |
| 22:52.25 | shingouz | unfortunately not because i can still see the neigbors cats pissing on my car |
| 22:52.25 | Ronin | guess XBM-X doesnt know about the interpol log bots on irc now |
| 22:52.41 | shingouz | Ronin: i guess so too |
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| 22:52.49 | resiak | Guess XBM-X doesn't know how to spell "kitten". |
| 22:52.55 | paulswm | God, XBM-X isn't that far away from me, I must sell my house and move |
| 22:53.13 | shingouz | paulswm: :) |
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| 22:53.27 | caphuso | XBM-X: please go, if you don't have anything on topic to discuss |
| 22:53.34 | Ronin | can hear property values dropping even as i type paulswm :) |
| 22:53.44 | S4nD3r_ | I forgot the command line to create a list of packages installed in my system ... |
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| 22:53.54 | caphuso | S4nD3r_: dpkg --get-selections? |
| 22:53.56 | paulswm | Looks like he's in Vero Beach and I'm in Kissimmee |
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| 22:54.09 | paulswm | Ronin: Heh |
| 22:54.14 | XBM-X | does any one have BELKIN wireless |
| 22:54.20 | shingouz | !polls |
| 22:54.20 | dpkg | "Does anyone have X or use Y?" is taking a poll, not asking a valid question. Don't do it or sussudio's army of militant badgers will hurt you. Also see <ask> and <bad polls> |
| 22:54.32 | _4s1m3tr1ko0 | Hola |
| 22:54.37 | resiak | !es |
| 22:54.38 | dpkg | Hispanohablantes: Por favor usen #debian-es, alli obtendran mas ayuda. Spanish Speakers: Please use #debian-es, there you will get much more help. |
| 22:54.40 | paulswm | !irritate XBM-X |
| 22:54.41 | dpkg | XBM-X: wenas how does I run teh grafixx windows lol |
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| 22:54.53 | S4nD3r_ | caphuso, yes... |
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| 22:55.08 | _4s1m3tr1ko0 | thx |
| 22:55.16 | XBM-X | hey im not just running windows im running linux on my laptop |
| 22:55.16 | useruser | !nickomete _4s1m3tr1ko0 |
| 22:55.20 | useruser | !nickometer _4s1m3tr1ko0 |
| 22:55.29 | tpr | any specific window managers any could recommend besides kde or gnome? |
| 22:55.36 | tpr | any+one |
| 22:55.42 | useruser | hm, that rates pretty high |
| 22:55.56 | Ronin | tpr: theres only a couple of hundred i swear pick one and try it till you find what you like |
| 22:55.57 | caphuso | tpr: www.xwinman.org has a quite extensive list |
| 22:56.05 | nickv111 | Hello. I just installed debian i386 on a box. I installed sshd, but whenever I try to log in, the server drops the connection |
| 22:56.11 | silverwolf | What is the command for listing what's inside a deb file? |
| 22:56.12 | nickv111 | nick@p1mp nick $ ssh 192.168.0.2 |
| 22:56.12 | nickv111 | Connection closed by 192.168.0.2 |
| 22:56.16 | tpr | hehe 200 god d*mn |
| 22:56.19 | tpr | so many |
| 22:56.22 | useruser | nickv111: immediately? |
| 22:56.28 | nickv111 | useruser: Yes |
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| 22:56.39 | XBM-X | i hate SSH |
| 22:56.41 | nickv111 | The key has already been exchanged |
| 22:56.47 | useruser | nickv111: the ssh log doesn't say anything interesting? |
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| 22:56.55 | caphuso | silverwolf: dpkg --contents foo.deb |
| 22:56.57 | nickv111 | useruser: No |
| 22:57.03 | caphuso | oh, jesus has left the building |
| 22:57.07 | nickv111 | useruser: -vvv doesn't say anything relevant |
| 22:57.09 | paulswm | useruser: you connecting on the same port as the server's listening on? |
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| 22:57.15 | silverwolf | caphuso, thanks |
| 22:57.23 | nickv111 | !nickometer _4s1m3tr1ko0 |
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| 22:57.26 | paulswm | useruser: sorry, wrong nick |
| 22:57.32 | geekitus | hi all |
| 22:57.34 | XBM-X | is it true bill gate is god |
| 22:57.36 | slappy16 | XBM-X: telnet is a good substitue for ssh |
| 22:57.43 | slappy16 | or rsh |
| 22:57.48 | paulswm | nickv111: : you connecting on the same port as the server's listening on? |
| 22:57.50 | doleyb | XBM-X: no, bill gates is stronger than god |
| 22:57.50 | slappy16 | really good stuff..ya ssh sucks |
| 22:57.55 | nickv111 | paulswm: Yes |
| 22:57.57 | nickv111 | 22 |
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| 22:58.07 | *** mode/#debian [+o caphuso] by ChanServ |
| 22:58.19 | *** kick/#debian [XBM-X!foobar@p5481FCF0.dip.t-dialin.net] by caphuso (it's not sunday) |
| 22:58.19 | *** mode/#debian [+b *!*@c-66-177-253-93.hsd1.fl.comcast.net] by caphuso |
| 22:58.24 | paulswm | YAY |
| 22:58.25 | *** mode/#debian [-o caphuso] by caphuso |
| 22:58.32 | paulswm | !prize caphuso |
| 22:58.32 | shingouz | !beer caphuso |
| 22:58.36 | S4nD3r_ | <PROTECTED> |
| 22:58.40 | ilba7r | hi i am looking to install a lucent agre modem. I downloaded the driver and tried the installation. In the installation script it is looking for the file /etc/rc.d/rc.local to add a line to it but i can not find this file. Any ideas |
| 22:58.46 | paulswm | Wow, a pin and booze |
| 22:58.47 | *** join/#debian youyou (~youssef@maisel-gw.enst-bretagne.fr) |
| 22:58.47 | resiak | !massage caphuso |
| 22:58.49 | resiak | :( |
| 22:58.53 | caphuso | S4nD3r_: followed by "apt-get dselect-upgrade" |
| 22:58.53 | youyou | hello |
| 22:58.57 | youyou | I signed in |
| 22:59.03 | youyou | and my mouse is frozen |
| 22:59.06 | bucky | u!=you |
| 22:59.22 | cafuego | dist-youpgrade? |
| 22:59.23 | youyou | before rebooting it was working |
| 22:59.27 | caphuso | S4nD3r_: oh, and it's < and >, not << and >> |
| 22:59.35 | DerSchotte | hmm, I just thought about your answer K_Dallas, that's ok for me, but I want a "stable sarge" DVD set when sarge gets there, do you think I'll have to re-download the whole ~9GB to do that ? |
| 22:59.43 | youyou | the only new thing i did, is loading usb-storage and sd_mod |
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| 22:59.58 | Whoppix27 | holas |
| 23:00.02 | Whoppix27 | hihi |
| 23:00.04 | Whoppix27 | hi hi |
| 23:00.08 | Whoppix27 | how are |
| 23:00.10 | paulswm | *sigh* |
| 23:00.15 | Whoppix27 | que pato |
| 23:00.56 | S4nD3r_ | caphuso, ok |
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| 23:01.03 | cafuego | If it's smart enouigh to realise it's being and idiot and then quits, why does it do it to begin with? |
| 23:01.32 | paulswm | That is a deep question, cafuego. |
| 23:01.36 | K_Dallas | DerSchotte, i would say 2 CDs would be enough for a decent installation. anything extra could be installed afterwards but it all depends on your need |
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| 23:02.02 | youyou | Hello |
| 23:02.04 | paulswm | Ronin: The sign is always there, in flashing neon, evidently :) |
| 23:02.08 | DerSchotte | I would have thought that the downloaded files won't change 'that' much when it goes stable and that all I'd need are the new jigdo and template files |
| 23:02.16 | youyou | I need help in re-enabling my mouse |
| 23:02.33 | youyou | the mouse is frozen after rebooting |
| 23:02.34 | DerSchotte | I'm making the DVD images, not the DVD ones :) |
| 23:02.34 | pipeline | DerSchotte: And you would have thought right. |
| 23:02.38 | K_Dallas | youyou, maybe dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xfree86 |
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| 23:02.58 | DerSchotte | duh, *** ... noth the CD ones |
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| 23:03.18 | paulswm | youyou: is it a usb mouse? |
| 23:03.57 | K_Dallas | or maybe a wireless one with dead batteries ;) |
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| 23:04.13 | quittt | how do I CLEANUP DEBIAN???!? |
| 23:04.16 | quittt | debian no |
| 23:04.17 | quittt | GNOME |
| 23:04.19 | nickv111 | OMG!!! |
| 23:04.23 | quittt | I am getting stressed |
| 23:04.28 | resiak | quittt: Define "clean up". |
| 23:04.31 | *** join/#debian abrotman (~abrotman@pcp01413775pcs.potshe01.pa.comcast.net) |
| 23:04.40 | resiak | abrotman: Just in time. It's Sunday! |
| 23:04.41 | youyou | but I loaded usb-storage before reboot |
| 23:04.43 | quittt | resiak, restart from zero, remove all gnome data files in home directory |
| 23:04.52 | paulswm | youyou: Please do not /msg me. |
| 23:04.54 | resiak | quittt: rm -r .gnome* |
| 23:04.54 | shingouz | paulswm: cut a few other things too while you are at it |
| 23:04.57 | abrotman | resiak: who for ? |
| 23:05.01 | resiak | abrotman: Sunday! |
| 23:05.04 | quittt | resiak, it DOESNT WORK |
| 23:05.07 | abrotman | !permasunday |
| 23:05.10 | dpkg | All days in #debian will remain Sunday until further notice. Unfortunately, outside #debian the world keeps turning, so you still have to get up and go to work. Welcome to PermaTardsday!, or http://www.lyricsfreak.com/m/morrissey/96007.html |
| 23:05.11 | resiak | !doesn't work |
| 23:05.14 | dpkg | Look buddy, doesn't work is an ambiguous statement. Does it sit on the couch all day? Does it want more money? Does it waste its time on IRC all day long? Please be specific! Define 'it' and what it isn't doing. |
| 23:05.16 | K_Dallas | questions should be asked in the chan, no pm please |
| 23:05.19 | resiak | quittt: Are you LOGGED OUT FIRST? |
| 23:05.27 | quittt | YES |
| 23:05.31 | nickv111 | quittt: Calm DOWN!!!!!!!! |
| 23:05.33 | resiak | quittt: DEFINE DOESN'T WORK |
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| 23:05.41 | shingouz | quittt: PLEASE LOSE THE FUCKING CAPS!! |
| 23:05.46 | nickv111 | OK!!!!! |
| 23:05.50 | abrotman | !tell shingouz about caps |
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| 23:05.54 | paulswm | shingouz: that reminds me of a good qotd |
| 23:05.58 | paulswm | !qotd42 |
| 23:05.58 | dpkg | it has been said that qotd42 is * ravenbird whips out his power stapler and staples jetscreamer's genitalia to the ground <jetscreamer> musta been a very large staple |
| 23:05.59 | nickv111 | !tell me about caps |
| 23:06.10 | cafuego | Are you morons all on speed today or something? |
| 23:06.12 | abrotman | !fish shiner840 |
| 23:06.13 | resiak | !tell nickv111 -about msgdpkg |
| 23:06.15 | abrotman | shit |
| 23:06.16 | nickv111 | Holy _crap_! |
| 23:06.18 | abrotman | err shoot |
| 23:06.23 | shingouz | abrotman: haha |
| 23:06.37 | K_Dallas | youyou, you should be ROOT to use that command |
| 23:06.44 | nickv111 | Thanks, resiak |
| 23:06.45 | shiner840 | ^_^ |
| 23:06.46 | furrywolf | cafuego: I think being a moron doesn't require drugs... |
| 23:06.50 | nickv111 | I didn't realize you could PM the bot |
| 23:06.52 | pingouin | what is the easiest way to get xmule with debian ? (i dont have it with my source list pointing «sarge») |
| 23:06.58 | *** part/#debian eazer (eazer@v203c.studby.ntnu.no) |
| 23:07.05 | resiak | !info xmule |
| 23:07.11 | dpkg | xmule: (eMule client for the edonkey2000 network), section net, is optional. Version: 1.10.0b-1 (sid), Packaged size: 854 kB, Installed size: 2760 kB |
| 23:07.11 | K_Dallas | pingouin, try amule |
| 23:07.17 | resiak | !info xmule sarge |
| 23:07.22 | cafuego | furrywolf: I think it does. A disproportionate amount of people here act like them (and the proportion is FAR lower in the general populaton) |
| 23:07.36 | nickv111 | _ssh doesn't work._ |
| 23:07.37 | K_Dallas | it is in unstable branch, then |
| 23:07.42 | furrywolf | hrmm. I think 99% of the population starts out as morons. :) |
| 23:07.46 | resiak | !doesn't work |
| 23:07.46 | dpkg | Look buddy, doesn't work is an ambiguous statement. Does it sit on the couch all day? Does it want more money? Does it waste its time on IRC all day long? Please be specific! Define 'it' and what it isn't doing. |
| 23:07.50 | shingouz | cafuego: sorry, been a real tough day :) |
| 23:08.03 | nickv111 | ;) |
| 23:08.06 | abrotman | cafuego: or they all have ADHD |
| 23:08.16 | streuner | heh |
| 23:08.18 | cafuego | abrotman: what, bad parenting syndrome? |
| 23:08.21 | nickv111 | Well, my ssh server is dropping connection immediately |
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| 23:08.23 | streuner | wtf is ADHD? |
| 23:08.28 | abrotman | cafuego: not enough 'rod' |
| 23:08.37 | shingouz | streuner: attention span of a goldfish |
| 23:08.40 | paulswm | The problem is that they don't know they're morons, for example: |
| 23:08.42 | Ronin | streuner: attention defecit something or another |
| 23:08.43 | paulswm | !qotd14 |
| 23:08.43 | dpkg | <veleno> Guerin: i don't know what a moron is. |
| 23:08.46 | abrotman | !adhd |
| 23:08.46 | dpkg | adhd is probably Attention Deficit Hyperactivity LET'S RIDE BIKES |
| 23:08.52 | furrywolf | lol |
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| 23:08.56 | streuner | haha |
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| 23:09.10 | abrotman | streuner: IMO .. an excuse for adults who still smoke pot :) |
| 23:09.14 | xst | I have installed samba from sarge. Can I somehow downgrade to samba from woody? |
| 23:09.20 | cafuego | streuner: it's when kids are in charge of parents. aka bad parenting. It's currently fashionable to call it a disease and drug your kids rather then pay attention to them. |
| 23:09.36 | K_Dallas | cafuego, true to some extent |
| 23:09.40 | pingouin | i guess adding a sid source to get it is not a good id |
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| 23:09.51 | abrotman | id? |
| 23:09.59 | youyou | is dpkg-reconfigure a package ? or it is belongs to the set of dpkg ? |
| 23:10.00 | K_Dallas | idea :) |
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| 23:10.13 | K_Dallas | youyou, did you see my line? do it as root |
| 23:10.13 | abrotman | well .. christ .. it's two more letters .. |
| 23:10.20 | bucky | it's a good idea.. just change it back to sarge after you apt-get it |
| 23:10.28 | cafuego | Actually, I excpect ADHD was invented 30 minutes after the discovery of ritalin, by the same people. |
| 23:10.38 | abrotman | or just use the web interface and download the package |
| 23:10.39 | paulswm | !prize cafuego |
| 23:10.40 | K_Dallas | :) |
| 23:10.50 | K_Dallas | later guys |
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| 23:11.15 | abrotman | cafuego: i heard .. if you make the kids get outside and do shit instead of watch tv .. it goes away :) |
| 23:11.23 | cafuego | abrotman: amen |
| 23:11.24 | youyou | K_dallas : is dpkg-reconfigure a new package because I am not able to find it |
| 23:11.33 | furrywolf | grr. other box crashed again. |
| 23:11.39 | cafuego | abrotman: Mind you, my opinion is people shouldn't be having kids to begin with. |
| 23:11.58 | abrotman | cafuego: i'm ok with that .. just as long as they are able to care for them :) |
| 23:12.02 | paulswm | cafuego: Here in .us, they make up syndromes almost on a daily basis to advertise/market drugs. We have adult attention deficit, some sort of social deficit, all sorts of made up stuff. |
| 23:12.07 | abrotman | cafuego: either that .. or this country needs to become socialist |
| 23:12.21 | shingouz | youyou: dpkg-reconfigure is a command |
| 23:12.25 | cafuego | abrotman: Just intelligent would probably help too |
| 23:12.33 | DerSchotte | jigdo only has 6884 files to go :/ |
| 23:12.40 | cafuego | Rule #1: The tv lies. |
| 23:12.51 | K_Dallas | youyouy: become the _root_ and then type: dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xfree86 |
| 23:12.54 | abrotman | cafuego: i don't care if they are idiots .. as long as they can care for thier own children |
| 23:12.56 | youyou | shingouz : It is neither avalable on a package server nor on my system |
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| 23:13.01 | Ronin | paulswm: adult attention deficit? i must have that,i keep losing my attention at work |
| 23:13.06 | shingouz | Rule #2: There is no try. |
| 23:13.09 | abrotman | youyou: are you even running debian ? |
| 23:13.15 | abrotman | !find dpkg-reconfigure |
| 23:13.18 | Azar | AHA!!! here what I found for future reference: Drivers change from one ALSA version to another. For different versions of a driver, the asound.state file sometimes contains different fields. If the fields in asound.state do not match what the driver expects then |
| 23:13.19 | Azar | alsactl reports an error. |
| 23:13.21 | dpkg | Debian Search of 'dpkg-reconfigure' (2): (/usr/sbin/se_dpkg-reconfigure) in utils/policycoreutils ;; (/usr/sbin/dpkg-reconfigure) in utils/cdebconf,admin/debconf. |
| 23:13.22 | paulswm | Rule #1: believe none of what you hear and only half of what you see. |
| 23:13.30 | xst | Are there no other way than "apt-get remove <package>; apt-get -r <target> install <package>" to switch target for an install package? |
| 23:13.37 | furrywolf | abrotman: if they're idiots, they're not going to be able to raise intelligent children. |
| 23:13.49 | abrotman | furrywolf: dunno .. i think my parents are idiots :) |
| 23:13.53 | pngwn | youyou, man dpkg-reconfigure? |
| 23:13.59 | paulswm | Ronin: HAHA, that's SlS (Slacker Syndrome) :P |
| 23:14.00 | abrotman | furrywolf: nevermind my dad is a trauma surgeon :) |
| 23:14.11 | youyou | Thx guys I found the comman dpkg-reconfigure |
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| 23:14.18 | abrotman | and my mom has degrees in Eng. and Econ. |
| 23:14.29 | youyou | what should I typeo configure the xserver? |
| 23:14.38 | resiak | !drxx |
| 23:14.38 | dpkg | i heard drxx is dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xfree86 # Run it as root! |
| 23:14.58 | abrotman | did anyone try sending youyou to #debian-fr ? |
| 23:15.03 | deadcat | abrotman: educated family eh? (= |
| 23:15.16 | abrotman | deadcat: they're slackers :) |
| 23:15.20 | plaz | Hi folks .. I got the debian-security email about qpopper this morning, but the version mentioned as the new safe on (4.0.4-2.woody.5) isn't on security.debian.org ... The URLs provided refer to 4.0.4-2.woody.4, which is older. |
| 23:15.23 | plaz | Anyone know what the deal is? |
| 23:15.28 | shingouz | abrotman: i do not think so. do you want the honors? |
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| 23:15.38 | plaz | I'm trying to do the upgrade on one of our woody servers that really needs to run a pop server :) |
| 23:15.42 | abrotman | youyou: /j #debian-fr |
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| 23:15.46 | deadcat | abrotman: hahah |
| 23:15.46 | abrotman | !fr |
| 23:15.53 | abrotman | dpkg: hi |
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| 23:15.56 | dpkg | Les personnes qui parlent francais et qui ont besoin d'une aide a propos de Debian peuvent venir sur #debian-fr - People speaking french and in need of support for debian, please join #debian-fr |
| 23:15.56 | dpkg | hello |
| 23:16.04 | abrotman | dpkg: slowpoke |
| 23:16.08 | Azar | plaz you get your security updates via apt-get update / upgrade |
| 23:16.26 | abrotman | plaz: are you running sarge or woody ? |
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| 23:16.45 | plaz | Azar - yep, but doing an update/upgrade off security.debian.org brings down no new packages. The version of qpopper installed is 4.0.4-2.woody.4, not 4.0.4-2.woody.5. |
| 23:16.48 | plaz | abrotman - woody. |
| 23:17.08 | abrotman | !info qpopper woody |
| 23:17.11 | dpkg | qpopper: (Enhanced Post Office Protocol server (POP3).), section mail, is extra. Version: 4.0.4-2.woody.4 (woody), Packaged size: 412 kB, Installed size: 584 kB |
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| 23:17.25 | abrotman | plaz: URL to DSA ? |
| 23:17.38 | plaz | Gimme a sec... |
| 23:17.56 | abrotman | plaz: oh .. wait |
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| 23:18.05 | shingouz | Azar: feel better now? |
| 23:18.07 | Azar | plaz, thanks for the input I was not aware of that trick |
| 23:18.33 | Azar | shingouz, yes but I want to capture the moment exactly to put it in writing, hey, shingouz thank you so much thanks everyone |
| 23:18.33 | abrotman | plaz: hrm .. i see what you |
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| 23:18.46 | Azar | :) |
| 23:18.50 | shingouz | np |
| 23:18.52 | abrotman | plaz: i see what you're saying .. maybe check the debian-security archives to see if anyone notified them |
| 23:19.02 | plaz | abrotman - do you think the 2.woody.5 is a typo? |
| 23:19.13 | abrotman | plaz: i think so |
| 23:19.16 | plaz | Righto .. I haven't had any further mailouts from debian-security, but I'll have a poke around. Cheers. :) |
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| 23:19.47 | plaz | I did look on ftp://security.debian.org/ though .. the 2.woody.4 debs are a month or so old, and were already installed on the machine I was trying to upgrade |
| 23:19.56 | paulswm | OK, one more before I go |
| 23:20.00 | paulswm | !qotd103 |
| 23:20.00 | dpkg | qotd103 is probably <punchik> everytime i use google i get a message that says its no safe , and other people can read what im writing because its not encrypted <Guerin> punchik: do you care if people see what you google for? <punchik> yes <punchik> i dont want people to know that i use to look for shemales |
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| 23:20.07 | paulswm | Have a safe night, all |
| 23:20.08 | quittt | fuck gnome!! |
| 23:20.14 | quittt | I cant erase this shitty data |
| 23:20.20 | abrotman | plaz: email the debian-security list .. |
| 23:20.20 | nickv111 | quittt: Please calm down. |
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| 23:20.26 | abrotman | .gnome2 ? |
| 23:20.36 | shingouz | nite paulswm |
| 23:20.45 | quittt | nickv111, how can i calm down?? I did everything possible to erase thos data from /home |
| 23:20.47 | paulswm | shingouz: stay safe :) |
| 23:20.52 | quittt | NOTHING AT ALL WORKED! |
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| 23:20.58 | shingouz | paulswm: on this channel? dream on |
| 23:21.02 | nickv111 | Deep breaths |
| 23:21.04 | paulswm | HAH |
| 23:21.09 | abrotman | i don't understand quittt's problem |
| 23:21.23 | quittt | abrotman, I want to erase my Gnome data from /home/pedro !! |
| 23:21.28 | nickv111 | He only has one? |
| 23:21.31 | quittt | I want to have a clean desktop! |
| 23:21.33 | abrotman | quittt: sarge ? |
| 23:21.38 | quittt | yes! sarge! |
| 23:21.42 | shingouz | abrotman: CRS maybe? |
| 23:21.44 | DerSchotte | I love this UML stuff, I have IPCop running in a UML instance with SKAS3 patch doingmy firewalling for me :) |
| 23:21.47 | quittt | but it doesnt clean nothing at all! |
| 23:21.51 | abrotman | quittt: rm -rf ~/.gnome2 |
| 23:21.55 | abrotman | quittt: or move it |
| 23:21.58 | quittt | abrotman, it doesnt work |
| 23:22.02 | abrotman | quittt: why not ? |
| 23:22.08 | nickv111 | DerSchotte: I am using UML, but my ssh isn't working |
| 23:22.14 | quittt | because the background, menus, everything stays |
| 23:22.28 | nickv111 | DerSchotte: I have an sshd on mine and it disconnects me immediately when I try to connect to it |
| 23:22.38 | paulswm | quittt: log out of gnome before doing it |
| 23:22.42 | shingouz | quittt: did you logout/logon |
| 23:22.44 | quittt | I did it... |
| 23:22.45 | DerSchotte | Hmm |
| 23:22.59 | abrotman | quittt: remove ~/.gnome and ~/.gnome2 ~/.gnome2_private ~/.gnome-desktop |
| 23:23.00 | paulswm | really gone now |
| 23:23.06 | shingouz | sure.. |
| 23:23.08 | abrotman | quittt: or .. ask #debian-gnome on irc.gnome.org |
| 23:23.09 | DerSchotte | Are you using bridge-utils and tun/tap ? |
| 23:23.23 | bucky | it get's rewritten according to /etc/X11/gnome |
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| 23:23.54 | paulswm | shingouz: it's like trying to escape from a black hole having fallen past the event horizon :) |
| 23:24.07 | nickv111 | DerSchotte: No, I'm using tun/tap and NAT |
| 23:24.15 | abrotman | quittt: err .. #gnome-debian :) |
| 23:24.16 | shingouz | paulswm: yea, something like that. this place has some sucking tendencies |
| 23:24.20 | nickv111 | DerSchotte: Although I would love to use bridge-tools |
| 23:24.21 | paulswm | HAHA |
| 23:24.33 | nickv111 | I do wish I could assign my UML box an IP on my home network. |
| 23:24.38 | paulswm | !shingouz++ |
| 23:24.40 | nickv111 | Would bridge-tools do that? |
| 23:24.54 | shingouz | quittt: why do you want to remove all the gnome configs in the firts place? |
| 23:24.59 | DerSchotte | I use bridge utils, create br0, add eth0 and tap0 and it does the rest |
| 23:24.59 | shingouz | paulswm: ty :) |
| 23:26.23 | nickv111 | DerSchotte: So, your UML box has an IP on your network? |
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| 23:26.38 | DerSchotte | yes, it's my firewall |
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| 23:27.03 | zOap__ | where can i find info about wifi cards supported in debian stable? |
| 23:27.12 | DerSchotte | My server has 3 eth card, 1 for LAN, one for DSL and the last for WLAN |
| 23:27.13 | quittt | If I cant make it work I will boom my Debian partition |
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| 23:27.25 | nickv111 | DerSchotte: That'd sure be nice |
| 23:27.26 | zOap__ | wifi mcmcia that is... |
| 23:27.32 | nickv111 | DerSchotte: I think I'll just do that |
| 23:27.36 | zOap__ | pcmcia |
| 23:27.39 | shingouz | zOap__: whatever is supported by the kernel you have |
| 23:27.43 | DerSchotte | The IPCop UML controls the WLAN and DSL ones |
| 23:28.12 | shingouz | quittt: why do you want to remove all the gnome configs in the first place? |
| 23:28.25 | quittt | shingouz, because I need to |
| 23:28.27 | zOap__ | shingous, say i install debian netinst(testing?) where can i find the info then? |
| 23:28.47 | shingouz | quittt: excellent answer. what makes you think you need to? |
| 23:29.00 | DerSchotte | nickv111: The other advantage is IPCop supplies the IPSec for the WLAN too :) |
| 23:29.07 | shingouz | zOap__: still the same answer. the supported hardware depends solely on the kernel |
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| 23:29.12 | quittt | shingouz, my desktop is destroyed and messy |
| 23:29.22 | prozac | whats the kernel the newest debian is running on? |
| 23:29.25 | bucky | !tell zOap__ about d-i |
| 23:29.35 | streuner | quittt: linux isn't prolly what you want |
| 23:29.37 | prozac | kernel version |
| 23:29.43 | DerSchotte | nickv111: Do you have a 2.4 or 2.6 kernel ? |
| 23:29.47 | quittt | streuner, I use linux for 2 years |
| 23:29.53 | nickv111 | DerSchotte: 2.6 |
| 23:30.03 | streuner | quittt: oh :-) |
| 23:30.14 | nickv111 | DerSchotte: Really, I need to get ssh working, too |
| 23:30.21 | DerSchotte | I heard 2.6 cause problems with UML, that the instance don't shut down correctly |
| 23:30.21 | quittt | shitty GNOME |
| 23:30.34 | streuner | prozac: you can use everything in debian |
| 23:30.34 | shingouz | quittt: ffs... quit gnome, stop the display manager, go into a pure cli, rm -fr the .gnome* in your home directory, restart gnome |
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| 23:30.55 | zOap__ | shingous, thnx |
| 23:31.00 | prozac | streuner: im installing debian on vmware and was curious what kernel i should stick with |
| 23:31.03 | nickv111 | DerSchotte: No, that works fine |
| 23:31.06 | DerSchotte | nickv111: I'm going to set up a 2nd UML this weekend as a DMZ server, all in one box :) |
| 23:31.06 | abrotman | and possibly Nautilus .. |
| 23:31.10 | shingouz | !tell zOap__ about nicktab |
| 23:31.16 | abrotman | or .. ask #gnome-debian . like i already said |
| 23:31.42 | nickv111 | DerSchotte: Yeah, I love UML |
| 23:31.46 | quittt | shingouz, it doesnt restart themes, icons, backgrounds atall |
| 23:31.49 | nickv111 | DerSchotte: Any advice for my ssh problem? |
| 23:31.50 | quittt | at all |
| 23:32.02 | DerSchotte | nickv111: Do you have the SKAS3 kernel patch (or doesn't 2.6 need it?) ? |
| 23:32.25 | shingouz | quittt: can you possibly ba a bit more vague? i almost got the idea you have some problems at the moment |
| 23:32.26 | DerSchotte | nickv111: I don't use NAT, I just assign them bot IPs on the bridge |
| 23:32.33 | zOap__ | shingouz, thnx:) |
| 23:32.40 | shingouz | zOap__: np :) |
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| 23:32.53 | youyou | hell |
| 23:32.56 | youyou | hello |
| 23:33.02 | quittt | shingouz, I mean I want a CLEAR gnome desktop from ANY USE I DID on it |
| 23:33.04 | youyou | I am the guy of the mouse |
| 23:33.19 | sean_micken | is it safe to delete the install-report.template file? |
| 23:33.20 | shingouz | quittt: just a background and nothing else? |
| 23:33.20 | youyou | I typed dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xfree86 |
| 23:33.21 | sean_micken | in /root |
| 23:33.26 | youyou | passed all the settings |
| 23:33.39 | youyou | and still have no result running my mouse |
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| 23:33.42 | quittt | yes! |
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| 23:33.47 | quittt | I want it clear |
| 23:33.49 | quittt | totally! |
| 23:33.53 | DerSchotte | nickv111: the bits that count from my interfaces ... |
| 23:33.57 | pipeline | quittt: applications menu -> system tools -> cofiguration editor |
| 23:34.02 | zOap__ | shingouz, one more q, is the 3.0 r5 the latest stable? |
| 23:34.02 | bucky | youyou what kind of mouse... psmouse ? |
| 23:34.06 | DerSchotte | iface br0 inet static |
| 23:34.06 | DerSchotte | <PROTECTED> |
| 23:34.06 | DerSchotte | <PROTECTED> |
| 23:34.14 | resiak | quittt: Log out of Gnome. Log in on vt1. rm -r .gnome* ~/.gconf . Log in againl. |
| 23:34.15 | shingouz | quittt: so that is waht you mean when you say clear. remove gnome and install fluxbox |
| 23:34.15 | pipeline | quittt: inside gconf, you want to set the key apps -> nautilus -> preferences "show desktop" |
| 23:34.16 | youyou | I am using the mouse integrated on my LAPTOP |
| 23:34.20 | seldon | youyou: Take a look at the top of the /etc/X11/XF86Config-4 file. If you edited the X11 config by hand, dpkg-reconfigure won't overwrite your changes. |
| 23:34.22 | DerSchotte | broadcast 10.0.0.255 |
| 23:34.22 | DerSchotte | <PROTECTED> |
| 23:34.22 | DerSchotte | <PROTECTED> |
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| 23:34.23 | resiak | youyou: modprobe mousedev? |
| 23:34.26 | resiak | DerSchotte: Stop pasting. |
| 23:34.37 | quittt | shingouz, NO! |
| 23:34.40 | resiak | !tell youyou -about fr |
| 23:34.40 | shingouz | quittt: see how much easier it is when you finally state what the fuck you want to do |
| 23:34.41 | youyou | I have not configured the file |
| 23:34.43 | quittt | shingouz, i want to use gnome clear! |
| 23:34.43 | pipeline | quittt: err, ignore them. System configuration, then change the key I gave you |
| 23:34.44 | youyou | I DID nothin |
| 23:34.51 | resiak | quittt: I JUST TOLD YOU WHAT TO DO. |
| 23:35.05 | youyou | all I did i have done is loading usb-storage and sd_mod then I rebooted |
| 23:35.07 | bucky | youyou modprobe psmouse |
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| 23:35.21 | shingouz | jfc... i guess it is about time for a nice /ignore |
| 23:35.42 | sean_micken | what uses the /root/dbootstrap_settings file? |
| 23:35.43 | bucky | zOap__, you want sarge |
| 23:35.45 | bucky | 3.1 |
| 23:35.52 | youyou | bucky: thx |
| 23:35.59 | youyou | bucky: it is working |
| 23:36.14 | youyou | bucky: how comes it has been unloaded alone ? |
| 23:36.21 | bucky | youyou put psmouse in /etc/modules |
| 23:36.34 | resiak | youyou: echo psmouse >> /etc/modules # as root |
| 23:37.27 | youyou | bucky: how comes psmouse has been unloaded alone ? |
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| 23:37.46 | bucky | !tell zOap__ about d-i |
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| 23:38.01 | quittt | didnt work |
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| 23:38.40 | shingouz | quittt: how hard is it to actually tell the 'didnt work' is |
| 23:38.54 | quittt | the desktop is the same |
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| 23:39.07 | bucky | he has desktop icons and that's why his underwear is in a knot |
| 23:39.40 | abrotman | hey .. if i were still wearing my underwear and someone tied it in a knot .. i'd be pissed too |
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| 23:40.11 | shingouz | just remove gnome and install fluxbox and you will get rid of the clickable thingies. even better, remove X and you have nothing you can point and drool at, quittt |
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| 23:40.42 | resiak | quittt: rm -r .gnome* .gconf* # NB the star wasn't there before. |
| 23:40.48 | bucky | you have to use gconf2 and any customizations other than that you have to be smarter than /etc/X11/gnome2 |
| 23:41.00 | bucky | and make it read only |
| 23:41.15 | zOap__ | bucky, ok:) do i need only the first cd to install the base and xfree? |
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| 23:41.35 | bucky | zOap__, yes.. the netinst iso |
| 23:41.57 | Agrajag- | hey all, i just installed cvs, want to create a new module, but it's telling me cvs import: cannot make path to /var/lib/cvs/newmodule: Permission denied |
| 23:41.57 | quittt | resiak, doesnt work either |
| 23:42.00 | zOap__ | bucky, ok, but what if I choose not the netinst? |
| 23:42.07 | shingouz | !doesn't work |
| 23:42.08 | dpkg | Look buddy, doesn't work is an ambiguous statement. Does it sit on the couch all day? Does it want more money? Does it waste its time on IRC all day long? Please be specific! Define 'it' and what it isn't doing. |
| 23:42.20 | Agrajag- | ownership for /var/lib/cvs is root:src |
| 23:42.30 | resiak | quittt: For fuck's sake, man. Look through your dotfiles, and remove any that look like they're Gnomish. Ask on #gnome on irc.gnome.org if you can't. |
| 23:42.31 | bucky | zOap__, then you're on your own |
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| 23:42.41 | zOap__ | bucky, ok thnx |
| 23:43.09 | gdub | quit bye |
| 23:43.12 | gdub | exit |
| 23:44.07 | Agrajag- | so does the cvs package install dirs with wrong permissions, or am i doing something wrong? |
| 23:44.48 | linuxfreck | Agrajag-: either change the permissions, or add the users who should get access to cvs to the src group |
| 23:45.01 | xoz | Agrajag-: that's correct. |
| 23:45.15 | xoz | Agrajag-: make a local cvsroot if you want local access |
| 23:45.20 | linuxfreck | Agrajag-: the latter is probably the better thing to do |
| 23:45.27 | Agrajag- | yeah i just did that |
| 23:45.30 | Agrajag- | working, thanks :) |
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| 23:46.34 | seldon | Hm. It depends on what you want to do, really. The src group not only includes the cvs stuff, but also nearly everything in /usr/src |
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| 23:46.53 | seldon | By default, at least |
| 23:47.01 | dings | Can I burn a data dvd with mkisofs and cdrecord? |
| 23:47.09 | seldon | Yes |
| 23:47.49 | Glitch_Master | Word of advice for those who love it: The Apple ][ Screensaver in xscreensaver 4.21-3 often has some errors that ruin the classic BASIC written screensavera and image loading. 4.16-1 works perfectly, though. |
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| 23:48.17 | dings | seldon: is there some extra packages for cdrecord? |
| 23:48.25 | dings | cdrecord: Found DVD+ media but DVD+R/DVD+RW support code is missing. |
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| 23:48.32 | resiak | Glitch_Master: Have you ever IRCed through that screensaver? |
| 23:49.07 | seldon | Oh, ok. cdrecord can't handle DVD+* media. You need dvd+rw-tools for that |
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| 23:50.07 | BibTeX | Hello |
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| 23:50.21 | BibTeX | I have a question concerning the "apm" |
| 23:50.31 | BibTeX | modprob generates an error upon loading apm |
| 23:50.35 | BibTeX | what is apm for |
| 23:50.42 | seldon | APM? That's kinda ancient...sure you don't want acpi? |
| 23:51.01 | seldon | apm = advanced power management |
| 23:51.10 | BibTeX | Ah, I c |
| 23:51.25 | seldon | What error does it produce? |
| 23:51.26 | BibTeX | I thought that is has to do with sound |
| 23:51.37 | seldon | Nah, sound is alsa |
| 23:51.40 | BibTeX | modprobe: FATAL: Error inserting apm (/lib/modules/2.6.8-2-386/kernel/arch/i386/kernel/apm.ko): No such device |
| 23:52.01 | seldon | Then your mainboard is too new for apm, probably. |
| 23:52.09 | pingouin | is there a way to have xmule/amule with sarge ? |
| 23:52.12 | dings | scsi device 0,0,0 should be sda0, right? |
| 23:52.25 | BibTeX | well as for ALSA, when I type /etc/init.d/alsa start I get errors and alsa does not start |
| 23:52.47 | seldon | Do you have alsa-base installed and configured correctly? |
| 23:53.10 | BibTeX | Warning: 'alsactl restore' failed with error message 'alsactl: load_state:1267: No soundcards found...'. done. |
| 23:53.32 | seldon | Try dpkg-reconfigure alsa-base and tell it what soundcard you use |
| 23:53.35 | BibTeX | actually, all was working properly before I modprobe usb-storage and reboot |
| 23:53.42 | BibTeX | alsa was working |
| 23:54.29 | seldon | I doubt that has anything to do with usb-storage. Probably the right module doesn't get loaded when you boot. |
| 23:54.34 | seldon | What soundcard do you use? |
| 23:54.47 | BibTeX | what is the right module then? |
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| 23:54.58 | seldon | Depends on your soundcard. Which one do you use? |
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| 23:55.20 | BibTeX | seldon : Oups, I am affraid that I am not able to tell |
| 23:55.27 | BibTeX | seldon : how can I know |
| 23:55.32 | BibTeX | seldon : ? |
| 23:55.43 | shingouz | BibTeX: lspci usually gives pretty good hints |
| 23:55.45 | seldon | What does lspci | grep Multimedia say? |
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| 23:56.17 | BibTeX | seldon : 0000:00:1f.5 Multimedia audio controller: Intel Corp. 82801BA/BAM AC'97 Audio (rev 05) |
| 23:56.24 | BibTeX | shingouz : thx |
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| 23:56.41 | seldon | Try snd_intel8x0 |
| 23:56.53 | shingouz | BibTeX: alsaconf |
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| 23:57.44 | BibTeX | seldon : Jee.. thx.. done |
| 23:57.46 | BibTeX | :D |
| 23:57.51 | BibTeX | shingouz : Thx :) too |
| 23:57.54 | tpr | im having bit of a puzzle with aptitude, isnt there an easy way to choose more than one at a time |
| 23:58.07 | tpr | also, is it 'safe' to just not install anything that starts with gnome, I wish to keep KDE only |
| 23:58.11 | seldon | more than one what? |
| 23:58.16 | ruied | which mail server should I use, qmail; sendmail or squirremail? I would like to have some opinions if possible... thanks! |
| 23:58.19 | tpr | more than one package |
| 23:58.27 | BibTeX | shingouz : by the way where can I find alsaconf |
| 23:58.37 | gaoxing | 有没有人说ä¸æ–‡ ，我的英文ä¸æ˜¯å¾ˆå¥½ |
| 23:58.40 | shingouz | BibTeX: locate alsaconf |
| 23:58.40 | seldon | Sure it's safe. That's what aptitude's there for. And no, you don't need gnome. |
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| 23:59.00 | shingouz | gaoxing: your codepage is messed up somehow |
| 23:59.18 | shivraj | trying to log into a mac os x machine, I tried login but its giving me an error message |
| 23:59.36 | TwistedEmotions | shivraj: kick it. |
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| 23:59.44 | TwistedEmotions | deadcat: u there? |
| 23:59.51 | shingouz | shivraj: and the magic error message is? |
| 23:59.52 | shivraj | No utmp entry. You must exec "login" from the lowest level "sh" |
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| 23:59.57 | tpr | seldon: I just see a lot of 'red' in here after getting rid of gnome :) |
