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| 21:34.52 | *** topic/#debian is READ FAQ: http://www.linuks.mine.nu/debian-faq-wiki/ | sarge not out /msg dpkg wwsr | READ BTS: /msg dpkg bts | Paste in #flood or /msg dpkg paster, NOT here | /msg bots NOT people | X.org -> /msg dpkg xorg | Java -> /msg dpkg java | Spambots? /umode +E; Ask for an op | kde 3.4 is not packaged yet | Sarge d-i rc3 out! /msg dpkg d-i | SARGE HAS FROZEN, security now up |
| 21:34.53 | PerfDave | qpee: *shrug* I just know that people have had USB printing working with Debian kernels. |
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| 21:35.16 | PerfDave | qpee: I don't see the sense in using anything else, except in *very* rare circumstances. |
| 21:35.22 | eeyore- | qpee: are you on devfs/udevd? |
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| 21:35.27 | TwistedEmotions | TuRKisH http://www.videoturk.tr.gs Free Porno Videos |
| 21:35.30 | qpee | PerfDave: i know that i had it before, too. i'm just not familiar with the 2.6.x kernel and just wondering what could be the factor causing this |
| 21:35.40 | TwistedEmotions | Errr... how do I report that fag? |
| 21:35.45 | abrotman | giupy-incazz: promise .. dunno .. if that's real raid or fake |
| 21:35.53 | abrotman | giupy-incazz: http://linuxmafia.com/faq/Hardware/sata.html |
| 21:35.58 | anhi | everyone of my kernels worked with my USB printer (epson)...no matter if distro or self-maiden |
| 21:36.03 | paulswm | gothtec: That image is great. I have considered duct taping components to the wall, but your setup is the closest I've actually seen to that :) |
| 21:36.07 | qpee | eeyore-: devfs i guess, whats the deal with it? |
| 21:36.41 | PerfDave | TwistedEmotions: (a) don't repaste spam to channel, (b) read the /topic, (c) /msg dpkg ops |
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| 21:37.00 | TwistedEmotions | PerfDave: kk |
| 21:37.08 | flaky | hi all |
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| 21:37.25 | giupy-incazz | fake raid :( |
| 21:37.30 | eeyore- | qpee: if you run devfs and you modprobe usbprinter you should get /dev/usb/ device nodes |
| 21:37.31 | abrotman | !buckabeer |
| 21:37.31 | dpkg | hmm... buckabeer is time for abrotman to go .. thursday 5:30pm .. buckabeer at rock bottom |
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| 21:37.43 | eeyore- | qpee: are you sure /dev is mounted? |
| 21:37.45 | doub | abrotman: so do i |
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| 21:37.56 | abrotman | doub: yay |
| 21:38.18 | abrotman | that's a good thing |
| 21:38.21 | giupy-incazz | can i install debian normally and then use raid software ? |
| 21:38.28 | flaky | the deppendants won't install |
| 21:38.36 | flaky | dependants |
| 21:38.48 | paulswm | dependents |
| 21:38.55 | flaky | apt-get install kde doesn't work |
| 21:39.04 | flaky | eek- dependents |
| 21:39.10 | paulswm | :D |
| 21:39.12 | qpee | eeyore-: well ls /dev gives me lots of stuff, so i guess yes |
| 21:39.39 | doub | flaky: give fluxbox a try. lightweight, no 5000 dependencies, no deal with RAM sellers... |
| 21:39.59 | flaky | hmm well- does it have a debian install? |
| 21:40.05 | chealer | flaky: why? isn't there an error? |
| 21:40.14 | doub | flaky: apt-get install fluxbox and you're there |
| 21:40.24 | doub | !start a wm war |
| 21:40.24 | dpkg | blackbox blows! |
| 21:40.28 | flaky | that's the thing- the only error I can see is "won't install" |
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| 21:41.12 | chealer | hum...what does the command output? |
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| 21:41.58 | qpee | eeyore-: i heard devfs is obsolete, were could i deactivate it in the kernel cfg? |
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| 21:44.40 | NoCarrier | Hello world! :-) |
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| 21:45.21 | flaky | I will have to get a snapshot of the output |
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| 21:46.20 | dabreegster | NoCarrier: Hello Sweet, Sweet Death. |
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| 21:48.24 | NoCarrier | dabreegster: Sweet death? |
| 21:49.34 | qpee | eeyore-: DEVFS_FS is not activated, so i guess i don't have devfs |
| 21:50.19 | dabreegster | NoCarrier: Yes. |
| 21:50.21 | eeyore- | qpee: you'd probably want to mount devfs (or use udev) |
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| 21:51.01 | NoCarrier | dabreegster: dont know, what you mean, so what... |
| 21:51.32 | dabreegster | NoCarrier: Nevermind. |
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| 21:52.39 | qpee | eeyore-: asking dpgk i hear it's crap and in the kernel cfg menue it says it's obsolete |
| 21:53.14 | qpee | eeyore-: why would i then need it. the printer worked before aswell. without udev and devfs |
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| 21:55.38 | eeyore- | qpee: you don't really need it (esp. if you're going along that line of thinking) |
| 21:55.47 | eeyore- | qpee: all you need is just a stupid device node |
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| 21:55.56 | eeyore- | qpee: which you could EASILY make it yourself using mknod |
| 21:56.11 | eeyore- | qpee: so, there you go :-) "mknod" the correct usb printer device node |
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| 21:56.48 | falcon21 | hi people |
| 21:57.06 | DutchFish | anyone can explain me how to bind dancer-ircd (debian version) to localhost only? |
| 21:57.13 | jetscreamer | probably some changes in the kernel |
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| 21:59.12 | jim | hoiw to get a list of the names of installed packages? |
| 21:59.24 | eeyore- | jim: dpkg -L |
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| 21:59.44 | jim | that's just the names, one per line? |
| 21:59.55 | jim | and the full names, not cut off? |
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| 22:00.15 | js_ | COLUMNS=200 dpkg -l | grep ^ii |
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| 22:00.17 | eeyore- | jim: sorry, dpkg -l |
| 22:00.18 | qpee | eeyore-: well i'm open for such ideas, but reading what is being discussed doesn't really make me think more about that fs. actually i got a device node right now which is not correctly `talking` to the printer. don't ask me why, i have no clue |
| 22:00.21 | eeyore- | jim: been a whlie :-) |
| 22:00.55 | jim | that's better, but that cuts off the names |
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| 22:01.44 | qpee | eeyore-: if i plug in a usb-device what does me the `address` tell that dmesg is noticing? (usb 1-2.3: new full speed USB device using uhci_hcd and address 5) |
| 22:01.47 | js_ | jim: COLUMNS=200 dpkg -l | grep ^ii |
| 22:01.58 | Vince34 | holā |
| 22:02.06 | jim | that's getting there |
| 22:02.25 | ansong | has anyone read the Debian GNU/Linux 3.X Bible? if so, is it worth getting for intermediate user? |
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| 22:03.35 | bvillain | hello all...i have a sarge question...anyone help me? |
| 22:03.39 | eeyore- | jim: dpkg --get-selections | egrep "(hold|[^a-z]install)" | cut -f1 |
| 22:04.21 | eeyore- | jim: it is in there |
| 22:04.35 | eeyore- | jim: but you have to pipeline it a little, in UNIX tradition |
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| 22:04.55 | ansong | is there an openoffice.org 2.0 beta package? |
| 22:05.02 | bvillain | debhelper: can you answer a sarge question? |
| 22:05.02 | DutchFish | anyone can explain me how to bind dancer-ircd (debian version) to localhost only? |
| 22:05.03 | jim | UNIX tradition is to make each tool work as well as it can |
| 22:05.04 | eeyore- | jim: otherwise, you'd end up with a lot of options like --show-only-install-packages --show-only-hold-packages --show-installed-and-held-packages --show-..... |
| 22:05.42 | eeyore- | jim: what's wrong with --get-selections output? |
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| 22:06.10 | joel_ | I'd like to be able to put my computer in "sleep" mode, like laptops do to save battery, so I can just turn it on and directly resume my work without having to reboot. Whats the best approach to get this feature? |
| 22:06.12 | Ry12 | is it possible to burn the 5 sarge isos onto a dvd |
| 22:06.26 | bvillain | i am having trouble getting a new sarge machine to find our network...is there a setting i need to find? |
| 22:06.45 | dondelelcaro | ansong: it hasn't been released yet, afaik. madduck has one that should be released at about the same time as sarge, which should be good. |
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| 22:06.50 | eeyore- | joel_: suspend to swap patch (might not be working 100%) and get acpi support |
| 22:06.54 | jim | --get-selections isn't quite right, that's just what is desired to be installed? |
| 22:06.58 | dondelelcaro | ansong: however, for now I'd start by reading the debian reference. |
| 22:07.30 | jim | select package_name from packages where status='installed' |
| 22:07.31 | ansong | dondelelcaro: cool, thanks |
| 22:07.35 | jim | that would be nice. |
| 22:07.36 | joel_ | eeyore-: thanks |
| 22:07.39 | eeyore- | jim: what are you talking about |
| 22:07.42 | dondelelcaro | jim: no, it's the selections that you've made. |
| 22:07.51 | dondelelcaro | jim: if you want the packages that have been installed, that's: |
| 22:07.52 | dondelelcaro | !installed |
| 22:07.52 | dpkg | To list installed packages, COLUMNS=200 dpkg -l |awk '/^[hi]i/{print $2}'; man dpkg; man grep; man awk; |
| 22:08.04 | eeyore- | jim: dpkg --get-selections | egrep "(hold|[^a-z]install)" |
| 22:08.05 | jim | dondelelcaro: but it's not necessarily the packages that are installed now |
| 22:08.09 | eeyore- | jim: i believe i *told* you that |
| 22:08.17 | jim | yes, true. |
| 22:08.19 | dondelelcaro | jim: it is necessarily the packages that are installed now. |
| 22:08.25 | jim | no |
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| 22:08.47 | dondelelcaro | jim: yes. What do you think /var/lib/dpkg/status is? |
| 22:08.49 | jim | how can it be, when it's actually the selections that are made to be acted on? |
| 22:09.05 | dondelelcaro | jim: --get-selections != -l |
| 22:09.06 | jim | so then what is the meaning of "selected"> |
| 22:09.07 | jim | > |
| 22:09.10 | jim | ? |
| 22:09.19 | trueno | Anyone using xfree86-driver-synaptics? I would like to know if it is possible to activate a PS/2 mouse if you plug it in, and activate the touchpad (with the synaptics dirver) when unplugging the mouse. It could be done with ... |
| 22:09.19 | trueno | the regular PS/2 driver but then the tap-to-click funtion was not present. Any clue/hint? |
| 22:09.24 | dondelelcaro | jim: read again what I said. |
| 22:09.53 | shingouz | OK, I know Skype is EvilŪ but: 2.6 custom as pre-emptive on a P2-300 almost works, I get some dropouts in the sound while talking. The CPU shows 35-45% use. If I recompiled the kernel without the pre-empting, do you think the dropouts would either go away or at least be less intrusive? |
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| 22:10.01 | dondelelcaro | the selections are the actions you wanted taken. -l lists what the actual status is. These are totally separate concepts. |
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| 22:10.18 | topo | holle |
| 22:10.30 | topo | i have a question |
| 22:10.37 | dondelelcaro | topo: just ask |
| 22:10.43 | jim | dondelelcaro: so you'd need that PLUS indication that the selcctions were actually installed |
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| 22:11.07 | dondelelcaro | jim: no, you wouldn't. If you want to know what is actually installed, use dpkg -l. If you want to know what you wanted installed, use --get-selections |
| 22:11.07 | jim | can a package be selected but not yet installed? |
| 22:11.13 | dondelelcaro | jim: sure. |
| 22:11.20 | topo | dondelelcaro, the kernels 2.6 have suport for winmodem |
| 22:11.21 | jim | ahh, ok |
| 22:11.22 | eeyore- | jim: yes |
| 22:11.28 | Simpleton | Anyone here having harddrive detection errors with the latest sarge cd image? |
| 22:11.33 | dondelelcaro | topo: for some values of winmodem, yes. |
| 22:11.33 | eeyore- | jim: selection and actual installation are two separate steps |
| 22:11.34 | jim | so the -l is what I want |
| 22:12.07 | jim | but having to set the column width is fairly unintuitive |
| 22:12.25 | dondelelcaro | jim: you don't have to set it. And it's not unintuitive. It's documented. |
| 22:12.40 | eeyore- | besides my terminal is wide enough :-) |
| 22:12.42 | jim | just because it's documented doesn't make it intuitive |
| 22:12.59 | topo | dondelelcaro, sepeak spanish? |
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| 22:13.06 | dondelelcaro | topo: no... #debian-es does, though |
| 22:13.07 | jim | !es |
| 22:13.07 | dpkg | Hispanohablantes: Por favor usen #debian-es, alli obtendran mas ayuda. Spanish Speakers: Please use #debian-es, there you will get much more help. |
| 22:13.15 | Flimzy | Has anyone here tried using a CyberPro 2000 vid card for TV-out? I see the console display on my TV, but the horizontal hold is way off. |
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| 22:13.37 | dondelelcaro | jim: again, you don't need to set COLUMNS=200. That's just an output formatting modifier. |
| 22:13.39 | Simpleton | No one has this error? Every time I try and install sarge with the 2.6 kernel it can't find my harddrive? |
| 22:13.50 | Simpleton | I know its not my harddrive as linux 2.4 installed fine on it |
| 22:13.51 | dondelelcaro | Simpleton: you'll need to be a bit more specific. |
| 22:14.06 | topo | dondelelcaro, but not get a good help |
| 22:14.12 | topo | in debian-es |
| 22:14.14 | Simpleton | it says "No partitionable media were detected" |
| 22:14.15 | eeyore- | Flimzy: wish i had a cyberpro chip :-) well, you might have to check timing (50/60Hz) and whether or not you use overscan ... things like that, i would guess. sometimes my epia acts funny too if i mess with the parameters |
| 22:14.21 | jim | dondelelcaro: there needs to be a raw output that is still abstracted wrt the actual representation on the disk |
| 22:14.25 | Simpleton | during the first stage of install |
| 22:14.37 | rj- | root@sc01:~/work # sudo umount -f mnt |
| 22:14.37 | rj- | umount2: Device or resource busy |
| 22:14.39 | Simpleton | this is on both the dvd image, and the netinst image |
| 22:14.46 | rj- | uh isnt -f suppost to force it? |
| 22:14.58 | rj- | regardless if it's busy or not. |
| 22:15.02 | dondelelcaro | rj-: you want -l |
| 22:15.14 | Simpleton | I tried googling it and the only instances seem to be for sata drives |
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| 22:15.15 | dondelelcaro | rj-: -f and -l are totally separate options. -f is only for NFS devices. |
| 22:15.16 | Simpleton | mine is ide |
| 22:15.20 | rj- | dondelelcaro: awesome!! |
| 22:15.20 | Flimzy | eeyore-: Why do you wish you had one? Is it especially good at something? |
| 22:15.24 | jim | rj-: consider carefully before forcing that |
| 22:15.29 | dondelelcaro | rj-: man umount |
| 22:15.43 | EmleyMoor | Why is gcdmaster no longer in Debian? Is there something else that will do the same job? |
| 22:15.44 | rj- | jim: its a loopback file system -- modifying a livecd |
| 22:15.49 | Flimzy | eeyore-: And where do I check those settings? On the TV set, or in the card config somewhere (and if the latter, is there Linux software to configure it?) |
| 22:15.54 | dondelelcaro | rj-: and note that you shouldn't unplug whatever it is that you've stuck in there until it's actually become unmounted. |
| 22:16.06 | rj- | dondelelcaro: it's a loopback :) |
| 22:16.08 | jim | rj-: so close the files and cd any process out |
| 22:16.09 | Flimzy | EmleyMoor: xcdroast? |
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| 22:16.29 | Lafy | is there a good way to generate a pdf or ps file with code? |
| 22:16.32 | EmleyMoor | xcdroast does not, as far as I am aware, allow arbitrary track mark placement |
| 22:16.36 | dondelelcaro | jim: uh, the output that dpkg -l gives you is pretty raw |
| 22:16.53 | Simpleton | :/ |
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| 22:16.56 | Flimzy | EmleyMoor: You could edit your cdrdao .TOC file manually. |
| 22:17.00 | jim | dondelelcaro: but not suitable for programatic work |
| 22:17.03 | eeyore- | Flimzy: it's supposed to have faily complete directfb support |
| 22:17.04 | dondelelcaro | jim: if you need output that is much more raw, you use grep-status or similar. |
| 22:17.10 | Flimzy | EmleyMoor: AFAIK, gcdmaster should be in Debian still... but I dunno. |
| 22:17.15 | dondelelcaro | jim: what are you actually doing? |
| 22:17.17 | EmleyMoor | Flimzy: Yes - but I don't have a stopwatch! |
| 22:17.18 | jim | ohh.. |
| 22:17.23 | jim | grep-status? |
| 22:17.31 | jim | that sounds bette |
| 22:17.34 | Flimzy | eeyore-: Interesting. I got this card several years ago for free. It's been sitting in a headless server that died ~2 years ago. I haven't used it since, until now. |
| 22:17.35 | eeyore- | Flimzy: i guess the parameters would depend on what subsystems you use ... if X, it'd be in X config file. |
| 22:17.44 | Flimzy | EmleyMoor: You have a computer... :P |
| 22:17.53 | EmleyMoor | My ears/ability to judge gcdmaster's graphics, when all working correctly, work better |
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| 22:18.05 | jim | is there a grep-status for debian-2.2? (which was which codename?) |
| 22:18.16 | dondelelcaro | jim: grep-status is ancient. |
| 22:18.23 | jim | so it's in a package? |
| 22:18.43 | jim | !find grep-status |
| 22:18.50 | dpkg | Debian Search of 'grep-status' (1): (/usr/bin/grep-status) in utils/grep-dctrl. |
| 22:18.57 | dondelelcaro | the first version came out in 1999 |
| 22:19.15 | dondelelcaro | jim: but what in the world are you actually doing? |
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| 22:19.20 | jim | which version of debian was that for? |
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| 22:19.42 | EmleyMoor | I have looked briefly at graveman, arson and k3b and none of them seem to have the editing facility gcdmaster was good for |
| 22:19.44 | dondelelcaro | !+info grep-dctrl potato |
| 22:19.45 | dpkg | Updating debian files... please wait. |
| 22:19.50 | dpkg | grep-dctrl: (Grep Debian package information), section utils, is optional. Version: 1.3a (potato), Packaged size: 26 kB, Installed size: 124 kB |
| 22:19.59 | jim | I'm in the middle of doing a lot of stuff. to stop and explain would lose me my train of thought |
| 22:20.02 | PerfDave | Wow, dpkg knows about potato still ;) |
| 22:20.18 | dondelelcaro | PerfDave: dpkg knows about everything post buzz |
| 22:20.25 | trueno | Anyone using xfree86-driver-synaptics? I would like to know if it is possible to activate a PS/2 mouse if you plug it in, and activate the touchpad (with the synaptics dirver) when unplugging the mouse. It could be done with ... |
| 22:20.25 | trueno | the regular PS/2 driver but then the tap-to-click funtion was not present. Any clue/hint? |
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| 22:21.07 | dondelelcaro | jim: well, odds are you're going to end up using the wrong tool for whatever it is that you're trying to do, which was why I was asking. |
| 22:21.57 | Simpleton | Come on now, I can't be the only one with this problem? |
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| 22:22.55 | dondelelcaro | Simpleton: you'll have to give us a whole bunch more information on what exactly you're trying to do, and where it is failing. |
| 22:23.09 | jim | dondelelcaro: my guess is the odds you're calculating take the channel population into account... me, I can choose my tools :) |
| 22:23.28 | eeyore- | Simpleton: well, i would guess the message is accurate (in some way) |
| 22:23.44 | Simpleton | I can only give you what I already told you, I receive the message "No partitionable media were found" during the first stage of installing both the netinst and cd image of sarge with the 2.6 kernel |
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| 22:23.55 | dondelelcaro | jim: no, just the fact that you weren't already aware of dpkg -l, --get-selections, and grep-dctrl is leading me to that conclusion. Whatever, it's your deal. |
| 22:24.09 | Simpleton | it comes on when I go to partition disk |
| 22:24.27 | jim | dondelelcaro: they weren't applicable |
| 22:24.33 | Simpleton | which I think is right after "Detect Hardware" |
| 22:24.46 | jim | not directly anyway |
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| 22:24.58 | dondelelcaro | jim: which was why I was trying to figure out exactly what you were attempting to do |
| 22:25.15 | EmleyMoor | I get the error: INTERNAL ERROR on Browser End: Could not get the plugin manager |
| 22:25.19 | eeyore- | dondelelcaro: my guess is he wants "dpkg --jim-option-1" option ;-) |
| 22:25.22 | EmleyMoor | ... when I try to run Firefox |
| 22:25.29 | Simpleton | What kind of information do you need? |
| 22:26.00 | jim | Simpleton: are you installing from a coupla floppies? |
| 22:26.01 | EmleyMoor | How do I fix that? |
| 22:26.11 | dondelelcaro | Simpleton: what type of controller do you have, what is the output of dmesg (do you see the controller detected?), is the right module for the controller loaded? |
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| 22:26.33 | Simpleton | jim, no , from the dvd / netinst cd images |
| 22:26.37 | eeyore- | dondelelcaro: i.e., he wants dselect (or whatever) to have an option to do the exact thing he wants (at any particular time) without requiring the use of any other command to post-process. that's my guess |
| 22:26.50 | PerfDave | Simpleton: Is there any reason why you don't just install with a 2.4 kernel and then install a 2.6 one? |
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| 22:27.24 | Simpleton | don, whatever one comes standard with the i9300, i cant run dmesg I havent been able to install linux yet, i dont know, id wager it probobly hasnt |
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| 22:27.32 | jim | eeyore-: and output format that doesn't depend on column width would accomplish that :) |
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| 22:27.54 | jim | that doesn't print extra spaces or tabs |
| 22:27.54 | dondelelcaro | Simpleton: you can check dmesg... just go to the console (alt-f2) and check it out |
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| 22:28.06 | factorx | i'm just compiling a new kernel via make-kpkg but it seems it uses an obsolete .config instead of my recently created one. why? |
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| 22:28.29 | jim | factorx: do you have a backup of that config file? |
| 22:28.33 | factorx | i used make menuconfig to build my config |
| 22:28.33 | dondelelcaro | jim: COLUMNS is just an env variable... if you just need package names, you can strip it out using awk. It's pretty trivial. |
| 22:28.36 | Simpleton | What could that tell me that would help the situation |
| 22:28.41 | eeyore- | Simpleton: what the heck is an i9300? |
| 22:28.47 | factorx | jim: of my config file? or the old one? |
| 22:28.56 | dondelelcaro | *shrug* |
| 22:28.56 | Simpleton | a laptop |
| 22:28.59 | jim | factorx: of the one you want to use |
| 22:29.18 | eeyore- | Simpleton: and the chance of another person in here who has an i9300 is? |
| 22:29.26 | factorx | jim: yes, I have |
| 22:29.32 | Flimqy | Grr. I hate my internet connection |
| 22:29.46 | jim | factorx: and it's located outside the kernel source tree? |
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| 22:29.57 | Simpleton | I have no idea? Whats the chance of me knowing what laptop everyone has in here? |
| 22:30.00 | marska | Hello.. Currently trying to move away from Windows to Linux but I have been stalled because I can't find a decent C++ Program (preferably similiar to Borland) for the platform. Anyone have any rec? |
| 22:30.18 | Simpleton | Its a fairly common m odel, and there are 811 people here |
| 22:30.19 | PerfDave | marska: Eclipse? |
| 22:30.23 | PerfDave | marska: kdevelop? |
| 22:30.25 | eeyore- | Simpleton: my point is, if you don't even know what hardware you have, how do you expect us to start to help? |
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| 22:30.47 | factorx | jim: no, I have one called .config-backup, and the same called .config (I saved the config when I pressed ESC after menuconfig). both in the source directory |
| 22:30.48 | eeyore- | Simpleton: you certainly don't expect us to go to the manufacturer's website and read through the PDF's / webpages / etc. just to find that out, do you? |
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| 22:31.14 | Simpleton | I don't think its neccesary, when its obviouslly not a specific issue with my hardware |
| 22:31.14 | jim | marska: borland and friends are integrated development environments, meaning that usually everything is in one executable... under linux you can choose what you want for each part |
| 22:31.22 | eeyore- | Simpleton: in other words, you've got the laptop, YOU find out what you've got. don't just say, "i don't know, it's what's on this <brand-x> hardware" |
| 22:31.29 | Simpleton | consindering 2.4 installs and runs fine, and 2.6 cant find the harddrive, it lies in the software |
| 22:31.47 | PerfDave | Simpleton: Why don't you just install a 2.4 kernel and then upgrade to 2.6? |
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| 22:31.56 | moret | hi |
| 22:32.05 | Simpleton | I'd prefer to install a clean copy |
| 22:32.06 | marska | Jim: I'm not too familiar with anything else, honestly. I know what you mean, but I'm still new to working under Linux and finding a suitable replacment seems rather daunting. |
| 22:32.14 | nunez | whats a good bnc? Im using psybnc and its being a bitch only letting me connect to one irc at a time? |
| 22:32.19 | eeyore- | i think i understand why murderers feel the way they do |
| 22:32.21 | moret | how can I get j2re package for debian??? |
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| 22:32.36 | marska | Eeyore: Or chat mods for that matter |
| 22:32.36 | jim | factorx: ok, copy it somewhere outside the kernel source dir, and let's somehow get rid of the leading . so we can always see the file, howbout "my-2.6.something-.config" |
| 22:32.39 | brlancer | eeyore-: the double y chromosome? |
| 22:32.46 | Guerin | !topicsmite moret |
| 22:32.47 | dpkg | And the wrath of /TOPIC descended with terrible fury upon moret. And all the people marveled, saying, Behold, we too should read the /TOPIC, lest we be stricken. And all the people read the /TOPIC, and went away edified. |
| 22:32.59 | notty | buna seara ppl |
| 22:33.05 | factorx | jim: done |
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| 22:33.25 | jim | ok, now, inside the kernel source dir, run "make mrproper" |
| 22:33.44 | Simpleton | So, what your saying is, You want to kill me because you don't want to help me? |
| 22:34.21 | Guerin | what do you mean 'install a clean copy'? |
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| 22:34.43 | jim | factorx, ok, now, inside the kernel source dir, run "make mrproper" |
| 22:34.48 | Simpleton | I already installed 2.4, I've had some issues with it, and 2.6 is known to have fixes for them |
| 22:35.15 | Eclipser | then why didn't you apt-get 2.6 kernel |
| 22:35.38 | jim | Simpleton: spoken in other terms, you can apt-get 2.6 kernel |
| 22:35.43 | factorx | jim: done. and now moving the backup .config back to src dir? |
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| 22:36.04 | jim | factorx: move? no. copy? yes. |
| 22:36.09 | Simpleton | is that kernel-image-version ? |
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| 22:36.47 | Simpleton | I should probobly grab the source first anyways, I needed to a config first anyways |
| 22:36.48 | jim | Simpleton, yes |
| 22:37.11 | factorx | jim: and now running make-kpgk --initrd kernel_image is all i have to do? |
| 22:37.20 | Simpleton | is the newest one 2.6.11 |
| 22:37.24 | factorx | *kg |
| 22:37.25 | jim | factorx, then, with your desired config file in place, run "make oldconfig" |
| 22:37.34 | Eclipser | 2.6.8 is the latest sarge kernel |
| 22:37.34 | jim | no not yet |
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| 22:38.01 | jim | gotta make sure the config file is good, and once it is, then copy it to another backup outside |
| 22:38.03 | Simpleton | apt-get is showing me a copy of 2.6.11 sourcec |
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| 22:38.05 | jim | then run that thing |
| 22:38.30 | factorx | jim: thank you. let's see if it works :) |
| 22:38.47 | Guerin | Simpleton: don't build your own kernel. |
| 22:38.55 | jim | factorx: did the run of "make oldconfig" stop on any questions? |
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| 22:39.02 | Simpleton | I need to to enable certain features |
| 22:39.03 | Guerin | Simpleton: apt-get install kernel-image-2.6-2-386 |
| 22:39.08 | Eclipser | eh? |
| 22:39.10 | factorx | jim: yes, I did |
| 22:39.11 | Eclipser | ah |
| 22:39.11 | Guerin | which features? |
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| 22:39.18 | Eclipser | I missread - as . :) |
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| 22:39.23 | factorx | jim: oh, no it didn't ;) |
| 22:39.27 | jim | factorx: it did stop? |
| 22:39.29 | jim | no? |
| 22:39.50 | factorx | no |
| 22:39.52 | Obscene_CNN | I need to reinstall windows xp and I know its going to clobber grub. How do I reinstall grub from my debian install disk? |
| 22:39.57 | tga | hey, I'm having trouble compiling qce-source.. do I need the kernel sources or just the headers? |
| 22:39.59 | jim | so it scrolled thru a whole buncha questions, didn't stop anywhere, and you got your prompt back? |
| 22:40.19 | marska | Jim: I'm just beginning to understand Linux but need an enviroment to code in. Are there any newbie guides available or someone willing to walk me through getting it setup? I'm used to GUIs, for better or worse. |
| 22:40.22 | Simpleton | advanced power management, that dell support thing, some acpi features etc |
| 22:40.23 | mentor | Obscene_CNN: You can just boot the install and scroll down to the install grub section...you may need to mount your partitions first... |
| 22:40.25 | factorx | jim: that's it. |
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| 22:40.45 | mentor | Obscene_CNN: You could also make a grub disk... |
| 22:40.48 | jim | factorx: ok. if that is the case, then your backed-up config file is current. |
| 22:41.03 | jim | factorx, go ahead and run the make-kpkg |
| 22:41.15 | Guerin | Obscene_CNN: boot to a bootdisk of some sort; mount and chroot to your /; mount /proc; run grub-install /dev/whatever ; update-grub ; reboot |
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| 22:41.21 | factorx | jim: unfortunately now the make-kpkg is crashing. |
| 22:41.26 | jim | ugh? |
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| 22:41.40 | jim | crashing? |
| 22:41.56 | factorx | well not crashing, erroring |
| 22:42.01 | jim | marska: ok, I'll give you a quick tutorial |
| 22:42.13 | jim | marska: do you have linux installed now? |
| 22:42.34 | jim | factorx: how so? |
| 22:42.38 | jetscreamer | so what is screwing up the xine-ui interface, tcl or something, or is it something more like libnewt that isn't being updated because it depends on a greater version of libc6 than is available in sid |
| 22:43.03 | jim | factorx: try "debian/rules clean" |
| 22:43.20 | EmleyMoor | I'm now getting this when I try to run firefox: Xlib: XDM authorization key matches an existing client! |
| 22:43.24 | jim | then copy your backup .config to the kernel source dir |
| 22:43.29 | Obscene_CNN | Thanks Guerin and mentor |
| 22:43.37 | jim | try running the make-kpkg again |
| 22:43.44 | factorx | ok |
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| 22:44.08 | jim | sorta an educated shot in the dark... |
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| 22:45.01 | jim | if it errors again, you';d have to then look at the errors and see what's up |
| 22:45.09 | factorx | jim: seems it's working right now. thank you very much |
| 22:45.15 | jetscreamer | he unpacked arm source :p |
| 22:45.44 | jim | so there's tendons, bones and joints?? |
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| 22:46.44 | jim | factorx: welcoem... once you install this kernel, it will also insall the .config file in /boot |
| 22:46.47 | lewis | hey there - i want every newly created user to have two new directories (foo and bar), in their homes - how do I do it? |
| 22:47.00 | factorx | very nice |
| 22:47.02 | jim | lewis: you can write a script |
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| 22:47.25 | rtjkg | What's a good way to set up firefox to play videos, quicktime, mpg, windows media etc? mplayer or xine? |
| 22:47.30 | lewis | bah k |
| 22:47.37 | lewis | also, how come #amd64 is so empty? |
| 22:47.52 | jim | lewis: that's pretty common... many times, people really want most users or some users to be created that way |
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| 22:48.22 | jim | so you make up a script that is named for the kind of user to create |
| 22:48.52 | brlancer | lewis: just put them in /etc/skel and use the -d and -m options to useradd |
| 22:48.54 | jim | there is an alternative if the only thing different is you want some dirs created |
| 22:49.00 | lewis | ooh |
| 22:49.02 | jim | in /etc/skel |
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| 22:49.09 | jim | there are files; |
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| 22:49.26 | rtjkg | What's a good way to set up firefox to play video and audio? mplayer or xine? |
| 22:49.34 | xxy_man | hello! I've just cope to install my wireless pci card, works fine, ndiswrapper is great!! my question: how can I make the wireless config persistent, i.e. which script could configure wlan0 with route & iwconfig etc. on boot? |
| 22:49.39 | jim | what you can do is create the dir /etc/skel-foobardirusers |
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| 22:49.54 | jim | then copy all the .files from /etc/skel in there |
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| 22:50.09 | jim | and then create the dirs you want created in there |
| 22:50.12 | coruptkid | I'm trying to run UML on debian but every Filesystem i try to use tells me /dev/ubd/disc0 unkown partitiont table & Superblock could not be read or something similar. Any Ideas??!! (I compiled the Kernel) |
| 22:50.15 | lewis | wait - shouldn't I just create two new dirs into /etc/skel/? |
| 22:50.23 | jim | you can do that too |
| 22:50.23 | Lanz | Hey guys how can I make a module load on boot? |
| 22:50.24 | marska | Jim: Sorry. Yes, I am on Linux right now. |
| 22:50.36 | jim | marska: try: gcc |
| 22:51.08 | jim | Lanz: one way, run modconf |
| 22:51.35 | Lanz | Ok. |
| 22:51.36 | jim | Lanz: look at the files modconf alters if you want to edit files yourself |
| 22:51.41 | mentor | coruptkid: well, does that block device have a superblock or partition table on it? |
| 22:51.52 | mentor | !any ideas |
| 22:51.52 | dpkg | Yeah, I have an idea! But I'll need a box full of ground beef, a little vegemite, and 42 sex-crazed weasels. And keep the FBI off my back for the next few hours! |
| 22:52.07 | coruptkid | mentor: they are filesystems i downloaded, how would i find out? |
| 22:52.29 | mentor | coruptkid: I think 'file' will identify filesystems... |
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| 22:52.37 | marska | Jim: Okay. Its loaded. |
| 22:52.41 | lewis | thanks jim. i have done it now. any idea why #amd64 is empty? |
| 22:52.43 | marska | Jim: How do I fire it up? |
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| 22:53.01 | jim | marska: what happens when you type gcc? |
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| 22:53.08 | marska | In the terminal? |
| 22:53.11 | jim | yes |
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| 22:53.52 | coruptkid | mentor: linux rev 1.0 ext2 filesystem data !? |
| 22:53.55 | marska | Jim: gcc: no input files |
| 22:54.11 | jim | marska: excellent :) it's installed... what happens when you type make? |
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| 22:54.21 | mentor | coruptkid: So it's ext2... |
| 22:54.33 | coruptkid | yup. |
| 22:54.36 | marska | gcc: make: No such file or directory |
| 22:54.36 | marska | gcc: no input files |
| 22:54.39 | coruptkid | mentory: ye |
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| 22:54.49 | jim | hmm |
| 22:54.54 | jim | try jsut "make" |
| 22:55.00 | marska | make: *** No targets specified and no makefile found. Stop. |
| 22:55.01 | jim | not "gcc make" |
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| 22:55.18 | marska | Thats "make" |
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| 22:55.30 | jim | somehow gcc is interpreting |
| 22:55.38 | coruptkid | mentor: so i'll take it ext has a superblock cos its not a disc? |
| 22:55.56 | jim | it seems like you typed: gcc make |
| 22:56.07 | marska | I type "make" and I get this |
| 22:56.08 | xelam | :o |
| 22:56.09 | marska | make: *** No targets specified and no makefile found. Stop. |
| 22:56.11 | mentor | jetscreamer: It probably contained to many 'something's |
| 22:56.17 | xelam | daisuke |
| 22:56.24 | eeyore- | marska: what are you looking for? are you looking for an integrated development environment or what? |
| 22:56.25 | jim | marska: excellent :) make is installed too :) |
| 22:56.29 | jetscreamer | ah that explains it |
| 22:56.33 | eeyore- | marska: are you looking for the toolchain? |
| 22:56.33 | daisuke | ello xelam |
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| 22:56.45 | jetscreamer | s/something\ something/something/ |
| 22:56.48 | marska | eeyore: I'm just looking to get started. Moving from windows to Linux |
| 22:56.56 | jim | marska: ok,,, when you start a project, you should create a dir where everything in that project is going to go |
| 22:57.09 | eeyore- | marska: it's not very exciting just typing stuff in and compile with gcc ... what are you looking to gain? |
| 22:57.24 | mentor | coruptkid: What I mean is...you now know the FS is ext2...so you know it's a different problem... |
| 22:57.29 | jetscreamer | or maybe not enough somethings! |
| 22:57.30 | jim | you'll also have a file called Makefile which is sort of like a build script |
| 22:57.43 | marska | eeyore: An enviroment where I can program general code. I need something to replace Borland under Windows |
| 22:58.04 | mentor | jetscreamer: Well...I'm not quite sure from your question, what exactly your problem is... |
| 22:58.04 | jetscreamer | hey when i did something, something messed something up in something, do you think that it's the fact that something fuxored something in a sid upgrade??? |
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| 22:58.20 | coruptkid | mentor: when you build a linux kernel with UML architecture, is there anything specific you need to set to allow it to use ext2 filesystems?? |
| 22:58.26 | EmleyMoor | I used something pretty for programming in C once on an Apollo - can't remember what it was called, though |
| 22:58.28 | mentor | coruptkid: I don't know. |
| 22:58.31 | eeyore- | marska: there are IDE's for linux. the more dominant ones are (in no particular order): anjuta (gnome), kdevelop (kde), and eclipse (java/c/c++), and some people count emacs as its own operating system |
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| 22:58.50 | mentor | coruptkid: How do you set up the filesystem image for UML to use? |
| 22:58.56 | jim | well, some people count emacs as an ide |
| 22:59.16 | coruptkid | mentor:i downloaded the images from the UML site |
| 22:59.20 | mentor | emacs defies classification... |
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| 22:59.23 | runixd | Hello, having problems configuring wireless card, atheros chipset, madwifi drivers, it doesn't get talk to dhcp |
| 22:59.26 | Flimzy | Is there any way to change the refresh rate of the console output w/o using the fb console? |
| 22:59.27 | mentor | coruptkid: ... |
| 22:59.33 | eeyore- | jim: it's also a web browser, a PIM, a file manager, a shrink ... |
| 22:59.38 | mentor | coruptkid: Yes, having them locally would help... |
| 22:59.39 | runixd | sniffing traffic it doesn't even send dhcp request |
| 22:59.41 | jetscreamer | mentor: starting today, after i noticed that whiptail won't be upgraded due to a need for a greater version of libc6 than exists in sid, xine-ui refuses to respond to controls with the mouse or keyboard, and can only be killed when the 'control' window is open (on xine) |
| 22:59.49 | eeyore- | jim: it's basically and editor plus a billion other things |
| 22:59.51 | jim | eeyore-: front end for a debugger... |
| 23:00.02 | runixd | but instead sends 'SSL: Sent by us' |
| 23:00.08 | coruptkid | mentor: :-) they are extracted into the same directory as the UML kernel |
| 23:00.45 | jim | what it basically boils down to is an editor which has all of the functions of the editor bound to a handful of lisp primitives... |
| 23:00.45 | mentor | jetscreamer: Oooh...nasty...I take it you upgraded xine-ui or libnewt? |
| 23:00.46 | eeyore- | Flimzy: no, VGA text mode is always set to specific resolution and refresh |
| 23:00.56 | Flimzy | eeyore-: poop |
| 23:01.01 | eeyore- | Flimzy: you can't arbitrarily change refresh without changing resolution |
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| 23:01.11 | jim | combined with a lisp interpreter |
| 23:01.18 | Flimzy | eeyore-: Thus far, fbconsole is causing the machine to lock up :/ |
| 23:01.23 | mentor | coruptkid: Is that what one has to do to get UML to see them? |
| 23:01.26 | eeyore- | Flimzy: why not try vesafb-tng? |
| 23:01.48 | Flimzy | eeyore-: what's that? Is that better than the CyberPro fb deal in the kernel? |
| 23:01.54 | jetscreamer | mentor: i did a dist-upgrade, xine didn't get updated (afaik, didn't notice) whiptail wanted to be upgraded, but got held because libc6's version isn't great enough. however, libc6 did get an upgrade. |
| 23:02.18 | jim | all the billions of things that emacs is other than a text editor are implemented in emacs lisp |
| 23:02.31 | coruptkid | mentor: you can either name it "root_fs" in the same directory or use the "ubd0=filesystempath" parameter |
| 23:02.36 | eeyore- | Flimzy: i would try vesafb-tng, and if that doesn't work, vesafb |
| 23:02.37 | mentor | jetscreamer: Odd...do you get any debug messages when you run it in a terminal... |
| 23:02.46 | jetscreamer | lets find out |
| 23:02.58 | eeyore- | Flimzy: vesafb-tng = uses x86 mode to allow mode switching after boot (which vesafb can't do) |
| 23:03.12 | eeyore- | Flimzy: uh, s/x86/virtual 86/ |
| 23:03.34 | Flimzy | eeyore-: I don't really care about switching after boot. I just need to find a mode that works on my TV. |
| 23:04.09 | jim | marska: go thru the gnu make tutorial to see how to create makefiles and what they are |
| 23:04.10 | eeyore- | Flimzy: that's why you should try vesafb-tng since you can specify refresh/etc on kernel boot line, video=vesafb:...,720x480-16@60, for example |
| 23:04.15 | Flimzy | eeyore-: Is vesafb-tng in the standard kernel? |
| 23:04.20 | eeyore- | Flimzy: no, google for it |
| 23:04.23 | jim | you can run info make for that |
| 23:04.26 | Flimzy | eeyore-: okay |
| 23:04.35 | marska | Jim: How do I fire that up? |
| 23:04.38 | jim | you can run info make for that |
| 23:04.47 | eeyore- | Flimzy: it'll be on spock's site somewhere |
| 23:04.49 | jetscreamer | naturally the behavior isn't reproducing |
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| 23:04.57 | Flimzy | eeyore-: I found a link |
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| 23:05.10 | jetscreamer | ah there we go |
| 23:05.11 | Flimzy | eeyore-: I've been able to change modes with fb before... on my laptop. Does it depend on the specfic fb driver? |
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| 23:05.21 | TwistedEmotions | Anyone here got a working bootspash that can post their menu.lst files please? |
| 23:05.27 | TwistedEmotions | *file |
| 23:05.50 | jetscreamer | mentor: no, no msg's in console. (/me looks in log just for the heck of it) |
| 23:06.02 | TwistedEmotions | manu.lst is what your suppose to edit to get bootsplash to work right? |
| 23:06.14 | eeyore- | Flimzy: vesafb can't change modes after boot. other chip-specific drivers can probably change mode, but in many cases they're not as "stable" as vesafb |
| 23:06.19 | jim | marska: one style you can use, is having a directory that contains a Makefile and C source files, and the Makefile tells make how to build your thing from the source, so you just type make inside your project dir and it builds the whole thing |
| 23:06.23 | eeyore- | FlimFlamMan: matroxfb is a notable exception |
| 23:06.28 | Flimzy | eeyore-: I see |
| 23:06.43 | jim | marska: the other thing you need to do soonish, is get very familiar with gdb |
| 23:06.57 | marska | gdb? |
| 23:06.58 | Flimzy | Well I'm using 640x480@60 right now, and it doesn't work on my TV *or* my 9" greyscale monitor. |
| 23:07.01 | jim | yes |
| 23:07.04 | Flimzy | gonna try the -tng thingie next |
| 23:07.16 | jim | one way, run gdb and type "help" |
| 23:07.29 | eeyore- | Flimzy: so if cyberpro fb makes your computer crash (it probably would since the code refers to Amiga a lot ;-) then it might be time to try vesafb. but, if you're gonna go with vesafb, you might as well go with vesafb-tng ;-) that's where i'm going with this |
| 23:07.44 | Flimzy | eeyore-: I gotcha |
| 23:08.03 | marska | The debugger.. |
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| 23:08.04 | marska | Alright |
| 23:08.07 | jim | yes |
| 23:08.15 | marska | Maybe I should just move back to windows.. heh.. |
| 23:08.23 | mentor | jetscreamer: meh. |
| 23:08.28 | jim | this debugger is like most standalone debuggers you may have tried |
| 23:08.36 | eeyore- | marska: if you're a casual user wanting "quick high", linux isn't right for you. |
| 23:08.44 | Flimzy | eeyore-: I guess the -tng patch replaces the old vesafb support, rather than adding a new kernel option? |
| 23:08.48 | jim | but it also has a way for other programs to be a front end for gdb |
| 23:08.50 | eeyore- | marska: if you want pretty GUI, RIGHT NOW, linux isn't right for you |
| 23:08.55 | TwistedEmotions | Can anyone post their menu.lst file please if you use bootsplash? |
| 23:09.02 | eeyore- | marska: nothing comes without some amount of effort under linux |
| 23:09.20 | marska | Eeyore: I don't want pretty GUI. I want something that works. I'm willing to relearn but to relearn to do the same thing? |
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| 23:09.39 | eeyore- | Flimzy: it adds a new driver selection, but you still address "vesafb" just like before, e.g., video=vesafb:..... |
| 23:09.52 | eeyore- | marska: are you saying gcc/make/gdb doesn't work? |
| 23:10.04 | jetscreamer | mentor: nothing in log. no biggie, i usually wait a day or 2 before i freak (it gets fixed) |
| 23:10.07 | rafetcambaz | how can ? see kernel codes in debian?:) |
| 23:10.10 | jim | marska: if you want to use the gdb debugger, you have to feed "-g" to gcc when you compile |
| 23:10.21 | Flimzy | eeyore-: ahh, I see. it's a sub-selectin of vesafb |
| 23:10.26 | eeyore- | FlimFlamMan: yes |
| 23:10.32 | mentor | jetscreamer: Well, you can always file a bug :) |
| 23:10.49 | jim | eeyore-: I think he's expressing initial dislike for the situation |
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| 23:11.04 | TwistedEmotions | Can anyone post their menu.lst or grub.conf file please if you use bootsplash? |
| 23:11.09 | eeyore- | jim: nobody should ever be forced to use gdb in plain text mode .... |
| 23:11.13 | marska | eeyore: I didn't say that. I said that to make it work, you need to relearn the system. To get basic functions it seems. |
| 23:11.26 | jim | marska: obviously linux will take some getting used to |
| 23:11.39 | eeyore- | marska: that's kind of to be expected. but, you will learn to appreciate the UNIX ways ... esp. when it comes to scripting |
| 23:11.42 | marska | Jim: Obviously. Thank you for your effort though. I'm playing with it now. |
| 23:11.47 | eeyore- | marska: but, that might not happen, right? |
| 23:11.57 | marska | eeyore: It seems daunting. |
| 23:12.03 | eeyore- | marska: there are so many ways to get started. the trivial "hello world" should work out of the box |
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| 23:12.22 | marska | eeyore: I have some stuff I'm firing up now. |
| 23:12.24 | eeyore- | marska: or, you can also cvs checkout an existing project and get started with an already-established project |
| 23:12.25 | jim | eeyore-: but if he does do that, it will give him that much more capability and understanding when he sees gdb under some front ends |
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| 23:12.51 | jim | marska: three interesting front ends for gdb: xxgdb, ddd, emacs |
| 23:13.01 | marska | Jim: I'm familiar with emacs. |
| 23:13.50 | eeyore- | marska: check out anjuta if you're a gnome fan. kdevelop if you're kde fan. |
| 23:14.21 | marska | eeyore: I'm an XFCE fan |
| 23:14.24 | eeyore- | marska: both IDE's should have websites that give you a feel of each |
| 23:14.29 | jim | marska: cool :) so do you need to know how to fire up the debugger in emacs? M-x gdb<enter>programname<enter> |
| 23:15.01 | jim | then you have a source-level debugger if you have compiled your program with -g |
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| 23:15.38 | TwistedEmotions | deadcat: Wana msg me your menu.lst file? |
| 23:16.00 | marska | I'm checking out Arjuna now. |
| 23:16.09 | marska | Jim: I'll play with emacs. |
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| 23:16.36 | marska | eeyore: I'm still somewhat of an amateur. Still learning some of the other basics. Even CVS is new to me. |
| 23:16.44 | jim | marska: the other two gdb front ends are really cool |
| 23:16.52 | Flimzy | eeyore-: Do I use the standard fbset tool for vesafb-tng? |
| 23:17.02 | eeyore- | marska: how do you control revision in windows |
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| 23:17.27 | jim | TwistedEmotions: I don't spash the boot, but I do have a menu.lst |
| 23:17.56 | lewis | btw, maybe jim can help me again... |
| 23:18.13 | jim | briefly... |
| 23:18.14 | marska | I know about CVS, used it, but I'm still learning general ins and outs. |
| 23:18.22 | eeyore- | FlimFlamMan: yes |
| 23:18.23 | lewis | when changed my login files to reflect maildir storage, instead of mbox, I now get 'you have newmail', or 'you have oldmail' - missing a space - any ideas? |
| 23:18.36 | marska | eeyore: I've never worked on anything involving more than myself. |
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| 23:18.48 | jim | cvs is the old workhorse... but there are more modern revision control systems coming into use |
| 23:19.11 | TwistedEmotions | jim: Nah.. thanks for the offer though... menu.lst works with/without Splash.... just wanted to see if someone else had one where the bootsplash actually shows and so i could copy ;) |
| 23:19.37 | jim | TwistedEmotions: so you got your grub going |
| 23:19.47 | jim | how did you finally do it? |
| 23:19.52 | TwistedEmotions | jim: LoL.. nope. |
| 23:20.17 | jim | not working still? |
| 23:20.20 | TwistedEmotions | jim: It was setup... just still lags for like 30+ seconds durring bootup.. |
| 23:20.38 | TwistedEmotions | I think it's some kind of error in Stage 2 loading... whatever that is.. |
| 23:21.18 | jim | lewis: what's up? |
| 23:21.28 | lewis | when changed my login files to reflect maildir storage, instead of mbox, I now get 'you have newmail', or 'you have oldmail' - missing a space - any ideas? |
| 23:21.51 | jim | hmm, dunno about that |
| 23:22.13 | lewis | damn |
| 23:22.14 | xelam | the germans are taking over |
| 23:22.15 | xelam | ;) |
| 23:22.29 | jim | what does over do when you take it? |
| 23:22.42 | xelam | screams |
| 23:22.49 | notty | hello, i am reading the user manual for squid but i can't understand how to do this, i have a list of ips, and i want the proxy to use direct access to those hosts, and for other hosts to use another proxy (cache) how can i do that ? |
| 23:23.10 | jim | lewis: maybe it has something to do with pam? |
| 23:24.04 | lewis | i'll check again - everything was working until i had to change a few files for maildir |
| 23:24.18 | jim | doesn't pam somehow print "you got mail" when you log in? |
| 23:24.25 | marska | I'll play with it then. Thank you eeysore, Jim. |
| 23:24.26 | brlancer | lewis: check you MAILPATH env |
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| 23:25.00 | dondelelcaro | jim: pam_mail.so does it. |
| 23:25.20 | jim | does it read a textual template? |
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| 23:25.49 | dondelelcaro | jim: dunno, read the source code. |
| 23:26.11 | qbwdp | i want to pass a parameter to the kernel when it boots, where do i stick that in lilo? |
| 23:26.16 | lewis | my maildir is called 'email_data' - the line in /etc/pam.d/ssh reads: session optional pam_mail.so standard dir=~/email_data # [1] |
| 23:26.19 | dondelelcaro | qbwdp: append="foo" |
| 23:26.23 | jim | or is the message coming from an internationalized message? |
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| 23:26.43 | qbwdp | dondelelcaro: thanx there |
| 23:26.51 | lewis | the message comes when I login via SSH, and is in english. |
| 23:27.00 | jim | the thing is you can have only one append= |
| 23:27.50 | jim | so that can either be outside of any boot stanza (in which case it's The One Global Append= |
| 23:27.53 | jim | ) |
| 23:27.57 | dondelelcaro | lewis: you should be changing it by setting the MAIL env variable... |
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| 23:28.06 | lewis | fyi, I used http://www.trekweb.com/~jasonb/articles/exim4_courier/exim4.html (chapter 2.5) to alter the files |
| 23:28.09 | lewis | oh - is that in the same file? |
| 23:28.17 | dondelelcaro | lewis: no, it's in login.defs |
| 23:28.42 | Flimzy | Well I have vesafb-tng installed and running... but I can't tell that it's doing any good |
| 23:28.45 | Flimzy | I can't change the mode at all :/ |
| 23:28.46 | jim | or you can have one in each boot stanza, since you'd still have only one running for the boot |
| 23:28.55 | qbwdp | also i see that rc.local is not run when i reboot, why is that? it is +x |
| 23:29.03 | dondelelcaro | lewis: or rather, MAIL_DIR is, which is what is used to define MAIL |
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| 23:29.25 | jim | qbwdp: rc.local is not a usual file, it's not read by debian's startup that I know of |
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| 23:30.08 | lewis | I edited login.defs previously, though commented out MAIL_DIR, and used MAIL_FILE instead |
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| 23:30.24 | soukihei | i am having trouble install the Tcl PERL module: errors like: Tcl.xs:1547: error: `TCL_ERROR' undeclared. has anyone hads problems with this? I am running unstable. |
| 23:30.30 | lewis | (along with QMAIL_DIR) |
| 23:30.51 | qbwdp | jim: what would be good to stick things in then for them to run globally when i reboot, on other distros i use rc.local for this |
| 23:31.14 | dondelelcaro | qbwdp: make your own init.d script, and use update-rc.d to run it in the appropriate runlevel |
| 23:31.30 | zahod | qbwdp, read /etc/init.d/README |
| 23:31.38 | nunez | I'm trying to apt-get install azureus, but it says it need sun-j2sdk1.5, yet it wont let me install that package? |
| 23:32.09 | lewis | dondelelcaro: are the settings mentioned in part 2.5 of http://www.trekweb.com/~jasonb/articles/exim4_courier/exim4.html - wrong? |
| 23:32.12 | jetscreamer | !java |
| 23:32.12 | dpkg | a platform independent OO language. Server-side Java is extremely powerful due to the threads capabilities and the huge number of APIs available. On the other hand, Sun's Java licensing is extremely restrictive. Ask me about <java licensing> and <install java> and <sid mozilla java> (for starters). write once, run nowhere, or write once, run away |
| 23:32.14 | jim | qbwdp: you -could- write an init.d script that soiurces or executes rc.local |
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| 23:32.33 | qbwdp | ah ok, i'll do that, thanx |
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| 23:33.20 | zahod | nunez, bittornado is an alternative if you don't want to hassle with java |
| 23:33.25 | jim | if you want to pick the shell for rc.local in the #!/what/ever line, you would have to execute it rather than source it |
| 23:33.41 | dondelelcaro | lewis: it should be ok, but I don't know why it's passing a dir argument |
| 23:33.45 | Eclipser | what's the command to resolve an ip to a name? I always forget it :< |
| 23:33.55 | dondelelcaro | Eclipser: host |
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| 23:33.57 | Eclipser | thanks |
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| 23:34.18 | jetscreamer | !jre |
| 23:34.18 | dpkg | rumour has it, jre is adding 'deb ftp://ftp.tux.org/pub/java/debian woody main non-free' to your sources.list, then apt-get update && apt-get install j2re1.3 or deb ftp://metalab.unc.edu/pub/linux/devel/lang/java/blackdown.org/debian woody main non-free, or see blackdown.org for the latest status. Yes, this works on potato and sid too, even though it says woody BTW: Java Runtime Environment. |
| 23:34.28 | jim | qbwdp: but doing this will tend to "change the shape" of how your installation boots |
| 23:34.39 | drew | I need to find out all of the processes on a server while using a command to search the results for the one login name, any help? |
| 23:34.54 | jetscreamer | top, hit u? |
| 23:35.03 | mtnman | drew: ps aux|grep user |
| 23:35.11 | jim | you'd have to tell helpers about your rc.local script if you go to ask for help |
| 23:35.14 | drew | thats it, thanks alot mtnman |
| 23:35.20 | mtnman | drew: welcome. |
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| 23:35.25 | lewis | dondelelcaro: it isn't a major issue, one space difference, just wondering if I had screwed up anything simple. |
| 23:35.45 | dondelelcaro | drew: or use pgrep |
| 23:35.50 | brlancer | ps -fu user |
| 23:36.33 | lewis | dondelelcaro: ooh - found http://wiki.debian.net/?MaildirConfiguration - reading |
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| 23:38.59 | lewis | dondelelcaro: it seems I have to edit /etc/profile, and add 'export MAIL=~/email_data/' |
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| 23:39.39 | jim | lewis: or you could put that in your local profile |
| 23:40.11 | lewis | bah - didn't change anything |
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| 23:40.39 | lewis | perhaps I should undo the changes to /etc/pam.d/login and /etc/pam.d/ssh - as the wiki says they aren't compulsary |
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| 23:43.34 | lewis | ah well - thanks for your help |
| 23:44.05 | runixd | Anyone can help me with "atheros, madwife, dhcp" , can't connect to the router, No DHCPOFFERS received. |
| 23:44.07 | nn | is there a way to set up debian to maybe automaticly download and setup any packages on-demand without the user having to touch apt? |
| 23:44.08 | jim | just look at it as a situation that's going to need more time |
| 23:44.17 | runixd | *madwifi |
| 23:45.01 | jim | nn: an initial set of packages? probably there is a way to do that |
| 23:45.26 | jim | nn: every package that becomes available? that's bad juju for many reasons |
| 23:45.38 | jim | just leave panic :) |
| 23:45.46 | Azar | sigh |
| 23:46.04 | jim | do you have it configured? |
| 23:46.09 | Azar | if I do not stop now, I do not have LILO configured yet.. |
| 23:46.11 | Azar | no.. |
| 23:46.19 | Azar | should I stop and configure it first? |
| 23:46.23 | jim | you can still install first |
| 23:46.34 | jim | but then, you would configure lilo after and rerun it |
| 23:46.51 | Azar | I forgot the magic word after I configure lilo |
| 23:46.52 | jim | my tendency is to boot specific things in /boot |
| 23:46.54 | Flimzy | blah |
| 23:46.56 | Flimzy | fbconsoles suck :/ |
| 23:46.58 | mtnman | runixd: what, exactly, are you trying to do? |
| 23:47.08 | jim | the magic word? |
| 23:47.09 | jim | lilo! |
| 23:47.16 | Azar | sbin? |
| 23:47.23 | Azar | something with sbin, as I recall |
| 23:47.38 | jim | if youir'e running as root, /sbin/ is in your path already |
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| 23:47.46 | jim | so you can just run lilo |
| 23:47.49 | jim | but note... |
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| 23:48.05 | jim | the lilo executable you're talking about is normally installed in /sbin |
| 23:48.27 | jim | so you -could- (and everything/one tels you to) run /sbin/lilo |
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| 23:48.37 | Azar | aha that was the magic word |
| 23:48.43 | nn | jim: just an install wrapper w/ symlinks for each package's binaries |
| 23:48.43 | jim | but that's not actually necessary |
| 23:49.00 | nn | and have that last in $PATH |
| 23:49.07 | jetscreamer | bork bork bork |
| 23:49.10 | jetscreamer | tcl? |
| 23:49.15 | Azar | noo dont bork please |
| 23:49.18 | jetscreamer | or the thang |
| 23:49.56 | FarrisG | can anyone tell me how to turn on logging for all queries in mysql? |
| 23:50.12 | jim | nn, you already have that kind of thing in the form of debian packages and a packaging system |
| 23:50.14 | nn | jim: i understand it's kinda nuts but at least doing it for basic pkg tracking |
| 23:50.20 | Azar | :( " /initrd.img does not exist. Installing from scratch, eh? " |
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| 23:50.27 | nn | <PROTECTED> |
| 23:50.32 | Flimzy | Once fbcon has been loaded as a module, is there any way to revert back to a standard VGA text console without rebooting? |
| 23:50.35 | jim | Azar: keep going |
| 23:50.40 | nn | basicly only net install on first usage |
| 23:50.50 | Azar | :) |
| 23:50.50 | nn | so the machines sorta 'self configure' for the user |
| 23:50.56 | runixd | mtnman, configure net |
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| 23:51.00 | nn | the user sets their prefs |
| 23:51.10 | jim | mtnbot! |
| 23:51.12 | mtnman | runixd: yeah, but what software are you using to do so? |
| 23:51.16 | nn | but only packages they would have installed (based on what you try to run) are installed |
| 23:51.28 | jim | oh, that wasn't a factoid reqest? |
| 23:51.42 | jim | dpkg, configure net6 |
| 23:51.42 | runixd | mtnman, what software ? |
| 23:51.45 | jim | dpkg, configure net |
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| 23:51.53 | runixd | mtnman, atheros chipse with madwifi driver |
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| 23:52.05 | runixd | dhcp |
| 23:52.16 | nunez | Whats the process to apt-get install azureus? |
| 23:52.22 | mtnman | runixd: which dhcp client? |
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| 23:52.37 | Bart-mdv- | how I can crypt file? |
| 23:52.57 | LuPuZ | I'm running an netinst fot Sarge testing... and when it asks for the mirror to download from i get a (null) have tried every country and both ftp and http... is that a bug or have now country an available server for the netinstallation :P |
| 23:53.12 | BhaalWK | Guys, is sid really as unstable as they say it is? Im just curious, ive been running it since the same time potato came out and never had a problem with it... |
| 23:53.12 | cafuego | Bart-mdv-: crypt() only works on strings of 8 or less characters. Use gpg or something. |
| 23:53.30 | jim | LuPuZ: try ftp.us.debian.org |
| 23:53.35 | runixd | mtnman, Package: dhcp3-client |
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| 23:53.40 | Oliver | damn people want a disaster recovery guide for stuff at work, the most major disaster we could run into is eaither out of tea bags, or out of milk |
| 23:53.45 | mtnman | runixd: what is the essid of your ap? |
| 23:53.45 | Bart-mdv- | cafuego: thanks |
| 23:53.48 | drac | nunez: add contrib non-free to sources.list, apt-get install java-package, get j2re from www.java.com (self-extracting binary, don't run it), as normal user: fakeroot make-jpkg javablabla.bin, as root: dpkg -i javablabla.deb, apt-get install azureus :) |
| 23:54.02 | LuPuZ | yeah i can setup manual.. just wondering if it was an mistake or noone have had time to setup so the mirrors sho :P |
| 23:54.11 | jim | Oliver: or big dirty bomb in the teabag box :) |
| 23:54.27 | doub | BhaalWK: that means you're somewhat lucky, as you've not been using some buggy app |
| 23:54.29 | Oliver | jim: if that happened, we could go else where for our tea |
| 23:54.31 | darkphoenix | is there another driver out there for Wpc54g ver.1.2 chipset other then ndiswrapper |
| 23:54.39 | darkphoenix | its a wireless card |
| 23:54.40 | jim | better go fast :) |
| 23:54.54 | runixd | mtnman, configuration is all fine |
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| 23:55.03 | cafuego | Bart-mdv-: And _make_ _sure_ you decrypt all files before you expire your gpg key in a few years time. |
| 23:55.07 | mtnman | Oliver: you could keep a backup box around (of teabags, that is) |
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| 23:55.10 | darkphoenix | anyone? |
| 23:55.11 | BhaalWK | doub: Ohhh, Im not saying some apps havent been buggy, but core stability has never been an issue for me... |
| 23:55.17 | runixd | mtnman, I'v been using this interfaces file for the past year |
| 23:55.19 | mtnman | runixd: okay, then what is your problem? |
| 23:55.25 | Oliver | mtnman: but they always end up getting used first for some reason though |
| 23:55.26 | Azar | ok is there any specific location I insert initrd=/initrd.img, before or below image=/vmlinuz ? |
| 23:55.32 | doub | Oliver: it's quite dangerous to drink such a thing, you know |
| 23:55.38 | drac | Azar: below. |
| 23:55.41 | runixd | mtnman, No DHCPOFFERS received. |
| 23:55.47 | Oliver | doub, tea or dirty bombs? |
| 23:55.48 | dvs | Azar: after |
| 23:55.56 | Azar | thanks drac in the column where label=Linux is right? |
| 23:55.56 | ethics | morning all......anyone got any ideas why i cant download a copy of d-i rc3....keeps dying at 29 Mb |
| 23:56.01 | mtnman | runixd: it seems that you are not configured properly, in that case, or else the ap is down. |
| 23:56.03 | doub | BhaalWK: you've been using windows for too long a time, it seems ;) |
| 23:56.10 | dvs | Azar: columns don't matter |
| 23:56.11 | doub | Oliver: tea |
| 23:56.22 | mtnman | runixd: what is the essid of your ap? |
| 23:56.26 | doub | Oliver: dirty bombs are safer ;) |
| 23:56.28 | nunez | drac: j2se? |
| 23:56.33 | Oliver | doub: dirty bombs would be more hazardous to health, so i'll stickwith the tea |
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| 23:56.38 | nn | whats a nice aqua-ish theme for kde in debian? |
| 23:56.38 | runixd | mtnman, nullcode , why? |
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| 23:56.57 | doub | Oliver: this statement isn't proven |
| 23:56.58 | drac | nunez: whatever that is in www.java.com frontpage. |
| 23:56.58 | mtnman | runixd: have you run iwconfig to check the settings? |
| 23:57.02 | runixd | cat /etc/network/interfaces | grep essid |
| 23:57.02 | runixd | <PROTECTED> |
| 23:57.06 | drac | nunez: after download link, second file. |
| 23:57.09 | BhaalWK | doub: my first PC had Debian installed on it, back in 1996 ... Ive had one windows PC since then, and that was to soley run my business accounting... |
| 23:57.17 | Oliver | how else can you leagaly get off your tits during office hours on stimulants? |
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| 23:57.47 | runixd | mtnman, as I said, I was using this file for over a year, so thats out |
| 23:58.01 | BhaalWK | doub: I used Amiga hardware before the PC ... and I ended up installing netbsd on the A2000 once I was comfortable with linux |
| 23:58.02 | darkphoenix | is there another driver out there for Wpc54g ver.1.2 chipset other then ndiswrapper |
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| 23:58.17 | Oliver | the bastards wrote into the contracts that you can't drink alcohol on the job, which really sucks |
| 23:58.19 | runixd | mtnman, in fact I just noticed something wierd, on ifdown down Error for wireless request "Set Mode" (8B06) : |
| 23:58.25 | runixd | *ifdown ath0 |
| 23:58.29 | ethics | !d-i |
| 23:58.29 | dpkg | [d-i] the new installer for sarge (debian 3.1), at http://www.debian.org/devel/debian-installer/ or see debian-boot@lists.debian.org, but don't pester the d-i devs with unrelated questions, or see <debian-installer> |
| 23:58.39 | doub | Oliver: legality is not much of a problem, police aside |
| 23:58.55 | mtnman | runixd: have you run iwconfig to confirm your settings? (second and final time i ask you this) |
| 23:59.00 | ndee | hi there, anyone knows how to generate a .pem file for courier-imap-ssl? I generate a certificate before and somehow, it took "localhost" as domain name and now, Thunderbird always gives me an error, that the certificate is for "localhost" and if that's ok. Anyone knows how I can just create a normal certificate for my own domain? |
| 23:59.16 | Oliver | job retention is fairly high up on the list, else how would the stimulants be funded? |
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| 23:59.41 | doub | Oliver: but i agree, drinking at work makes you way much more productive |
| 23:59.46 | runixd | mtnman, no in fact I haven't |
| 23:59.57 | mtnman | runixd: well, i suggest you do so. |