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| 00:02.43 | resiak | !tell kolter_t about away |
| 00:03.19 | TwistedEmotions | video works ;) Thanks guys... Audio doesnt ;( |
| 00:03.42 | jez | TwistedEmotions: does it work with other apps? |
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| 00:03.52 | TwistedEmotions | audio plays with mp3's with Music player... but with nothing else.. |
| 00:04.01 | jez | TwistedEmotions: alsa or oss? |
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| 00:04.11 | TwistedEmotions | GAIM no sound... all other programs n osound. |
| 00:04.18 | TwistedEmotions | jez: Dont know? |
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| 00:05.29 | tracer | How do you install themes for xfwm? |
| 00:05.33 | TwistedEmotions | jez: Do I find that under /dev? |
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| 00:06.09 | crashbg | when i install something, a line after the install process appears: sh: line 1: /usr/sbin/update-dpsyco: No such file or directory |
| 00:06.20 | crashbg | how to fix this |
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| 00:07.41 | jez | TwistedEmotions: run 'alsamixer' and see if it works |
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| 00:08.42 | newbie_ | how can I change a debian user's permissions? |
| 00:08.52 | newbie_ | is there a place to see all the privileges each user has? |
| 00:09.10 | TwistedEmotions | <PROTECTED> |
| 00:10.30 | jez | TwistedEmotions: what kernel are you running? Do you know if it has alsa support compiled? |
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| 00:10.31 | Mix`yxul | :< |
| 00:10.36 | TwistedEmotions | jez: the kernel.. I *Think* was 2.6 something... and I dont know about alsa |
| 00:10.42 | streuner | newbie_: man chmod, man chown, man chgrp |
| 00:10.53 | streuner | newbie_: /msg dpkg faq |
| 00:11.05 | streuner | newbie_: read permissions SECTION about |
| 00:11.06 | jez | TwistedEmotions: try running alsaconf as root |
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| 00:11.21 | jez | TwistedEmotions: I'm assuming you want to use alsa which I recommend |
| 00:11.24 | streuner | newbie_: man groups as well |
| 00:11.50 | TwistedEmotions | alsaconf: Command not found |
| 00:11.53 | TwistedEmotions | install it? |
| 00:11.59 | streuner | alsa-utils |
| 00:11.59 | newbie_ | streuner: thanks.. that's a GREAT headstart |
| 00:12.01 | streuner | yeah |
| 00:12.06 | jez | TwistedEmotions: yeah go for it |
| 00:12.06 | TwistedEmotions | k |
| 00:12.17 | newbie_ | streuner: what was dpkg? |
| 00:12.19 | streuner | newbie_: start with /msg dpkg faq |
| 00:12.51 | newbie_ | streuner: linux:~# /msg dpkg faq |
| 00:12.51 | newbie_ | -bash: /msg: No such file or directory |
| 00:12.54 | streuner | newbie_: dpkg is the tool which manipulate the packages which apt-get gets from different sources |
| 00:13.07 | streuner | newbie_: dpkg is here the bot |
| 00:13.27 | streuner | newbie_: ravenbird or apt or badgers are the other ones |
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| 00:13.42 | streuner | newbie_: type that into your irc-client |
| 00:14.12 | newbie_ | streuner: okay, cool. |
| 00:14.22 | newbie_ | *** CTCP: streuner requested your version. |
| 00:14.36 | streuner | newbie_: yeah, use X-Chat or irssi |
| 00:14.43 | newbie_ | streuner: what's that? |
| 00:14.49 | newbie_ | using trillian from a PC |
| 00:14.50 | streuner | !info xchat |
| 00:14.56 | dpkg | xchat: (IRC client for X similar to AmIRC), section net, is optional. Version: 2.4.3-0.1 (sid), Packaged size: 251 kB, Installed size: 672 kB |
| 00:15.03 | streuner | !info irssi-text |
| 00:15.09 | dpkg | irssi-text: (text-mode version of the irssi IRC client), section net, is optional. Version: 0.8.9-3 (sid), Packaged size: 807 kB, Installed size: 2456 kB |
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| 00:15.48 | TwistedEmotions | jez: Ran the config thing... asking Do you want to modify /etc/modprobe.d/sound (and /etc/modprobe.conf if present)? |
| 00:15.48 | Thanatermesis | how to add a parameter in /proc/cmdline ? |
| 00:15.48 | jez | TwistedEmotions: yes |
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| 00:16.25 | TwistedEmotions | jez: done. |
| 00:16.26 | SantaOne | hi |
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| 00:16.31 | newbie_ | streuner: is it possible that a different pc/smb client cannot write to files because they're owned by me? can I change the owner of the whole directory to a group that all smb users are member of? |
| 00:16.36 | jez | TwistedEmotions: now try alsamixer as normal user |
| 00:16.41 | TwistedEmotions | kk |
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| 00:17.06 | SantaOne | What do you think about Debian LIVE CD's which can be installed to HD ? Can they really save time and help or is a "real" debian still better anyhow? |
| 00:17.08 | streuner | newbie_: try #samba |
| 00:17.33 | streuner | SantaOne: there isn't a Debian-Live-CD |
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| 00:17.43 | jazzmans | SantaOne, try #knoppix or #kanotix, |
| 00:17.46 | newbie_ | okay, thanks Streuner |
| 00:17.52 | jez | SantaOne: I prefer normal debian because it tends to be easier to upgrade etc. |
| 00:17.55 | newbie_ | how do you change a file's owner to a group? |
| 00:18.06 | Gehana | Anyone knowledge with video cards & monitors that would be willing to answer some questions not related to debian? I don't know where else to ask :X |
| 00:18.23 | newbie_ | is it just chown [groupname] [filename] ? |
| 00:18.58 | SantaOne | jazzmans: I have already tried out both, but both give me back error messages on booting |
| 00:19.04 | streuner | newbie_: adduser <user> <group> |
| 00:19.19 | TwistedEmotions | jez: Weee ;) Set up volumes... |
| 00:19.28 | TwistedEmotions | jez: Should I try mplayer now? |
| 00:19.33 | SantaOne | jez: why is a normal debian easier to upgrade? |
| 00:19.36 | streuner | newbie_: or deluser <user> <group> vice versa |
| 00:19.42 | jez | TwistedEmotions: cool :P yeah try mplayer and make sure it knows to use alsa, not oss |
| 00:20.02 | jez | TwistedEmotions: that goes for other apps too. usually you can choose quite easily in the options or a config file |
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| 00:20.52 | newbie_ | streuner: cool |
| 00:20.55 | streuner | newbie_: example: adduser newbie audio |
| 00:21.00 | TwistedEmotions | kk thanks jez |
| 00:21.08 | newbie_ | streuner: how do I tell which "group" owns a file? |
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| 00:21.35 | streuner | newbie_: ls -l <file> |
| 00:21.44 | DNA` | Debian GNU/Linux 3.0 updated (r5) got kernel 2.6? I have SATA hdd |
| 00:22.07 | newbie_ | drwxrwxrwx 9 newbie newbiegroup 4096 Mar 28 22:19 gallery |
| 00:22.12 | streuner | newbie_: read faq (/msg dpkg faq) |
| 00:22.24 | newbie_ | streuner: k.. I'll check it out |
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| 00:24.15 | Gehana | Anyone? I have a monitor that doesn't seem to be displaying the color blue anymore, everything has a yellowish tone to it. |
| 00:24.20 | newbie_ | thanks, streuner |
| 00:24.30 | streuner | np |
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| 00:24.48 | benjamindees | Gehana, hit it |
| 00:25.36 | streuner | Gehana: sounds like you need a WM (windowmanager) |
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| 00:25.44 | streuner | !window manager |
| 00:25.44 | dpkg | window manager is probably includes: 9wm, aewm, afterstep, amaterus, amiwm, asclassic, blackbox, ctwm, cwwm, enlightenment, evilwm, fluxbox, flwm, fvwm, icewm, ion, kwin, larswm, lwm, matchbox, metacity, nawm, olvwm, olwm, openbox, oroborus, plwm, pwm, qvwm, ratpoison, sapphire, sawfish, twm, uwm, vtwm, w9wm, waimea, windows-el, wininfo, wm2, wmaker, and xfwm4. TWIN (Text mode). Pickers: selectwm and wmanager. No WM-picker-picker. Yet. |
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| 00:27.12 | streuner | Gehana: /msg dpkg wm |
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| 00:29.07 | Gehana | benjamindees: Tried that |
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| 00:34.14 | tracer | I used apt-get install enlightenment but it does not show up in my desktop manager list why? |
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| 00:34.28 | Mix`yxul | I see dead chickens. |
| 00:34.32 | IDC | Morning |
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| 00:36.17 | tracer | Is there a way to change the text color in a tty, such as ctrl-alt-f1 ? |
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| 00:37.53 | dn4 | how do I get wine to recognize the cdrom so that it can get files for the game like starcraft? |
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| 00:40.06 | IDC | Downloading a same package within in apt-get or from the 3rd party-way,one of the differences is with apt-get the secure is auaranteed ? |
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| 00:41.18 | rave | dn4 wine uses you mounted cdrom player as cddrive |
| 00:41.19 | tracer | IDC: apt-get uses third party sources unless you eplicity tell it to use debian.org |
| 00:41.44 | dn4 | what line in the wine config would I look for? |
| 00:41.51 | tracer | IDC, security comes from verifying package hashes i would guess |
| 00:41.51 | rave | hold on |
| 00:42.01 | IDC | tracer, But usually,we put the fastest sources for us which are just the mirrors to debian.org |
| 00:42.17 | rave | [Drive D] |
| 00:42.17 | rave | "Path" = "/media/cdrom0" |
| 00:42.17 | rave | "Type" = "cdrom" |
| 00:42.17 | rave | "Label" = "/media/cdrom0" |
| 00:42.17 | rave | "Filesystem" = "win95" |
| 00:42.17 | rave | "Device" = "/dev/hdc" |
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| 00:42.36 | pingouin_ | nice shoot ;) |
| 00:42.55 | rave | hehe |
| 00:43.00 | pingouin_ | ;) |
| 00:43.04 | dn4 | nothing like that in my thing rave |
| 00:43.36 | sparr_x3 | I am trying to compile an openGL game, the source is doing "extern PFNGLGENBUFFERSARBPROC glGenBuffers;" and my compiler doesnt like that (syntax error before ;). I may have the wrong GL headers, but how can I find out which I need? |
| 00:43.44 | IDC | tracer, yeah,you are right ...i think still there are many people using non-debian.org in their sources |
| 00:43.57 | rave | dn4 |
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| 00:44.04 | rave | ~/.wine/config |
| 00:44.11 | rave | if that doestn work |
| 00:44.13 | rave | run |
| 00:44.18 | rave | winecfg |
| 00:44.26 | rafa_ | hi, anyone can help me setting up a wacom graphire2 in debian sarge? |
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| 00:45.54 | dn4 | rave: ~/.wine/config does not exit |
| 00:45.55 | dn4 | :( |
| 00:46.04 | rave | then run |
| 00:46.06 | tracer | IDC: Including myself |
| 00:46.06 | rave | winecfg |
| 00:46.21 | rave | i got to go now |
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| 00:46.45 | dn4 | Warning: the specified Windows directory L"c:\\windows" is not accessible. |
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| 00:47.10 | dn4 | that directory is located in /home/dna/Desktop ~/.wine/drive_c |
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| 00:47.50 | ej_ | <PROTECTED> |
| 00:48.08 | usynin | I have a (hopefully) simple question, I am trying to compile the kernel with gcc2.95 but the default is 3.3.5, how do I set the version for kernel compile? |
| 00:48.11 | Thorrn4 | I was considering to switching from Ubuntu to Debian; is Debian free? also, can I directly save over the patition? |
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| 00:48.37 | hugo | Is there a program to mount via ftp?? |
| 00:48.42 | pingouin_ | Thorrn4: debian is more expensive than Unbutu |
| 00:48.45 | bob2 | usynin: why are you compiling? |
| 00:48.46 | pingouin_ | about 100$ |
| 00:48.53 | bob2 | Thorrn4: of course it's Free and free |
| 00:48.59 | pingouin_ | damn bob2 |
| 00:49.00 | Thorrn4 | what about earlier versions? |
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| 00:49.03 | pingouin_ | ;) |
| 00:49.07 | hugo | or something like rsync on ftp basis, but of course only checking date and filesize? |
| 00:49.13 | bob2 | Thorrn4: and yes, you can install over an existing partition |
| 00:49.24 | bob2 | pingouin_: please don't lie to people |
| 00:49.53 | pingouin_ | bob2: everybody's liyng, this world is build on a lie |
| 00:50.03 | bob2 | whatever |
| 00:50.09 | tracer | clear |
| 00:51.38 | bob2 | usynin: don't /msg me |
| 00:51.48 | bob2 | usynin: why are you compiling a kernel at all? |
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| 00:52.49 | bob2 | usynin: you're continuing to /msg me |
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| 00:53.32 | fatalblu_ | anyone know of an application for gnome that is the equivalent of pageant from windows (much googling has already been done) |
| 00:53.58 | usynin | bob2: it's the only way I know to say something without spaming the whole channel |
| 00:54.09 | bob2 | fatalblu_: you'd need to tell us what "pageant" does |
| 00:54.11 | bob2 | usynin: ... |
| 00:54.18 | bob2 | say whatever you have to say in here |
| 00:54.22 | fatalblu_ | it's like a system tray for ssh-agent |
| 00:54.35 | bob2 | which does... |
| 00:54.36 | fatalblu_ | reason being, ssh-agent likes to screw up it's environmental variables |
| 00:54.41 | fatalblu_ | ... |
| 00:54.43 | bob2 | how? |
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| 00:55.28 | usynin | just wanted to know how to tell kernel makefiles to use gcc-2.95 without changing all the gcc links in /usr/bin |
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| 00:55.48 | bob2 | why are you compiling a kernel at all? |
| 00:55.53 | verbose | anyone remember me? |
| 00:55.55 | bob2 | and did you even look at the kernel Makfile? |
| 00:55.55 | thd | Where is the keyboard setting used by the shell stored? |
| 00:56.00 | Thorrn4 | thanx for you help guys; I'll consider switching |
| 00:56.06 | verbose | the one that was having problems with non-debian cd |
| 00:56.17 | verbose | well, guess what... still haven't fixed it |
| 00:56.27 | usynin | I did, and it's not using shell variables. you mean the only way to change it is to edit the Makefile? |
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| 00:56.32 | verbose | i recently burned it with a much newer cd-writer and i still got this error |
| 00:56.36 | bob2 | usynin: of course |
| 00:56.48 | verbose | i'm seriously surprised other people haven't encountered this error before |
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| 00:57.19 | bob2 | verbose: if you're having trouble booting, you probably screwed up the cd burn |
| 00:57.20 | usynin | i was hoping there was a script somewhere |
| 00:57.20 | verbose | do you think i should try download one of the sarge iso's and not netinst and try that? |
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| 00:57.31 | bob2 | usynin: why? |
| 00:57.33 | verbose | bob: i've tried many, many times now |
| 00:57.37 | verbose | burning different cd's |
| 00:57.43 | bob2 | verbose: you did check the md5su, of the image, right? |
| 00:57.58 | usynin | because this sounds like a very common thing that almost everyone would need |
| 00:58.01 | tracer | verbose: what happenes when your restart with the cd ing? |
| 00:58.03 | tracer | in* |
| 00:58.11 | verbose | no, i download gnupg at one point but i can never get it work |
| 00:58.13 | bob2 | usynin: no, it's ver odd |
| 00:58.15 | verbose | this is for windows |
| 00:58.21 | verbose | that is a good idea thouh |
| 00:58.21 | bob2 | verbose: er, no, you use the md5sum program |
| 00:58.29 | bob2 | verbose: then find md5sum.exe for windows |
| 00:58.39 | bob2 | verbose: checking the image is correct should be your very first step |
| 00:58.43 | bob2 | before you ever burnt anything |
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| 00:58.58 | usynin | well kernel devs recommend using gcc-2.95 and they explicitly say gcc-3.x is not tested and is almost guaranteed to produce bugs in the kernel |
| 00:59.02 | bob2 | usynin: very few people build their own kernel, and fewer still feel the need to override the default compiler |
| 00:59.09 | bob2 | usynin: no, not for 2.6 |
| 00:59.17 | bob2 | almost every distro uses gcc 3 to compile 2.6 |
| 00:59.26 | verbose | all these other times i've been burning a data cd |
| 00:59.28 | verbose | this could be it |
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| 00:59.38 | verbose | not an iso |
| 00:59.53 | verbose | i think i have a reason to feel stupid now |
| 00:59.55 | rafa_ | hey, how do i install the kernel headers? |
| 01:00.15 | verbose | however, the image i burned with the new cd-writer should have worked b/c i know i burned it as an image |
| 01:00.16 | rafa_ | how do i know WHICH kernel i have? |
| 01:00.23 | verbose | however, there may have been a flaw there too |
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| 01:00.30 | verbose | this might just work |
| 01:00.30 | bob2 | rafa_: apt-get install kernel-image-$(uname -r) |
| 01:00.57 | rafa_ | bob2: thats for the headers? |
| 01:01.25 | bob2 | no, kernel-headers-... |
| 01:01.39 | rafa_ | ok, thanx¡¡ |
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| 01:01.41 | tracer | rafa_: uname -a will tell your your kernel version |
| 01:02.17 | rafa_ | ok |
| 01:02.26 | rafa_ | headers dont have platform, do theyÇ |
| 01:02.33 | rafa_ | i mean |
| 01:02.35 | bob2 | they do indeed |
| 01:02.38 | tracer | yes they do |
| 01:02.43 | rafa_ | they do |
| 01:02.46 | tracer | yes |
| 01:02.47 | rafa_ | aham |
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| 01:02.56 | verbose | if i were to download from http://cdimage.debian.org/pub/weekly/torrents/i386/, am i only required to download one of the images? |
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| 01:03.25 | rafa_ | so, if i said apt-get install kernel-headers-2.6.8 |
| 01:03.39 | rafa_ | what am i installing?? |
| 01:03.41 | verbose | i'm guessing i'd have to download at least past disc3 |
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| 01:03.58 | thd | Is the bash shell keymap set by the locale setting? |
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| 01:04.31 | verbose | that's ok... i'm getting the impression i'm burning the cd right this time |
| 01:04.37 | CroatianNinja | what is the best way to get the latest version of firefox with sarge? |
| 01:04.39 | bob2 | rafa_: no, get the correct one |
| 01:04.46 | bob2 | CroatianNinja: mozilla.org |
| 01:05.21 | rafa_ | it says it doesn't exist |
| 01:05.26 | rafa_ | :( |
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| 01:05.42 | CroatianNinja | bob2: is it advisable to use deb packages from sid on sarge? |
| 01:05.50 | verbose | could that have been what my problem was this whole time? burning a data cd instead of an image cd |
| 01:05.51 | verbose | ? |
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| 01:06.37 | benjamindees | !tell CroatianNinja about quick sid/sarge mix |
| 01:06.54 | benjamindees | verbose, yes that makes a difference |
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| 01:07.01 | bob2 | verbose: er, that would produce a useless cd, ys |
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| 01:07.12 | verbose | well, i feel like quite the idiot now |
| 01:07.26 | verbose | i saw the cd image option but never burned using this option for some reason |
| 01:07.34 | verbose | geez, what a waste of cd's and time |
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| 01:07.45 | omitsura | I'm getting frustrated with CUPS, as this is not the first time it happens, when you apt-get upgrade, printer drivers dissapear |
| 01:07.51 | aspain | hi! anyone can help me? I try to boot my pc with debian in "safe mode" is it possible ? |
| 01:07.56 | benjamindees | verbose, do windows burning programs handle that automatically or something? |
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| 01:08.04 | benjamindees | seems to be a common problem |
| 01:08.07 | verbose | let me try this... *fingers crossed* |
| 01:08.07 | omitsura | you can't select lets say a samsung printer |
| 01:08.51 | omitsura | aspain, you mean like init=/bin/sh ? it loads nothing and gives you root shell so you can fix things |
| 01:08.54 | bob2 | aspain: what do you mean? |
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| 01:09.30 | omitsura | Does anyone know why printer drivers dissapear after upgrades? |
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| 01:10.22 | benjamindees | omitsura, is one of your config files being replaced, in /etc/cups ? |
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| 01:11.47 | omitsura | no my config stays intact, when you install, lets say hp drivers and gimp-print and some other packages which I forget the list of available printers increases but now it is down to most basic, doesn't even list manufacturers |
| 01:11.49 | omitsura | except hp |
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| 01:13.31 | omitsura | hmm, seems like foomatic-db-gimp-print somehow got uninstalled |
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| 01:14.11 | bob2 | god I hate the word ;podcast' |
| 01:14.26 | fabuian^ | well, its everywhere |
| 01:14.37 | omitsura | yeah |
| 01:14.38 | rafa_ | i hate podcasts themselves |
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| 01:15.02 | omitsura | remeber the time when LOLs were invading and sadly people were using them in real conversations |
| 01:15.36 | rafa_ | people did that? |
| 01:15.41 | jbmigel | lol |
| 01:15.43 | Skyblaze | i do that |
| 01:15.46 | Skyblaze | :) |
| 01:15.51 | omitsura | haha |
| 01:15.54 | Skyblaze | lol |
| 01:15.55 | Skyblaze | -_- |
| 01:15.56 | Skyblaze | :P |
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| 01:18.45 | dfzi | 420, soon. :> |
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| 01:19.58 | dfzi | now :o |
| 01:20.31 | Skyblaze | anyone use the powernowd package? |
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| 01:28.55 | solemnwarning | bbl rebooting |
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| 01:29.46 | fatalblu_ | bbl, squirrel chewing on the powercords |
| 01:30.52 | pureone | lol |
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| 01:33.49 | bookmark | hi |
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| 01:34.13 | bookmark | is there any way to run say a 3d app at your location and a copy of it's display running remotely? |
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| 01:35.53 | bztunk | yes. |
| 01:36.00 | scorphus | I get a "sh: line 1: mpeg2encode: command not found" when trying to convert 100 png files to mpeg with imagemagick, could not find a package that contains it. Any help? |
| 01:36.43 | Delph | scorphus: the imagemagick site is the best place to look for this sort of thing. |
| 01:36.49 | bookmark | <PROTECTED> |
| 01:36.58 | bookmark | with mplayer i think |
| 01:37.02 | Delph | imagemagick does some strange stuff to do that sort of thing. |
| 01:37.18 | Delph | there's some forums there, try asking on there, or search first and check no-one else has asked =:) |
| 01:37.18 | scorphus | bookmark: marillat's |
| 01:37.18 | bztunk | scorphus: just guessing, but I guess it has been removed because of patent issues |
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| 01:37.33 | noah | Any one know about setting up ALSA - I am having problems getting sound to work on my powermac? |
| 01:37.42 | Delph | they're full of "i need to convert <blah> to <blah>" |
| 01:37.45 | scorphus | bztunk: ah... that's why then |
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| 01:38.22 | scorphus | I'll try mencoder |
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| 01:38.48 | Delph | does m encoder do stiching together of multiple images into one movie? |
| 01:38.55 | bztunk | scorphus: http://astron.berkeley.edu/~mperrin/software/arroyo/movie_tutorial.html |
| 01:39.01 | Delph | i thought it was more of a movie format into movie format thing? |
| 01:39.12 | bztunk | scorphus: and ftp://ftp.imagemagick.org/pub/ImageMagick/delegates/mpeg2vidcodec_v12.tar.gz |
| 01:39.21 | bookmark | mencoder does that |
| 01:40.21 | scorphus | thank you all for the info, I'll try to figure out what is the best solution for me |
| 01:42.23 | bookmark | 7.7. Encoding from multiple input image files (JPEG, PNG, TGA, SGI) |
| 01:42.33 | bookmark | Encoder is capable of creating movies from one or more JPEG, PNG or TGA files. With simple framecopy it can create MJPEG (Motion JPEG), MPNG (Motion PNG) or MTGA (Motion TGA) files. |
| 01:42.41 | bookmark | er.. M |
| 01:42.47 | bookmark | MEncoder that should read |
| 01:43.23 | bookmark | you can also encode like to divx |
| 01:43.28 | bookmark | or whatever |
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| 01:44.29 | bookmark | http://www.mplayerhq.hu/DOCS/HTML/en/menc-feat-enc-images.html |
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| 01:46.51 | jono | <PROTECTED> |
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| 01:54.55 | Xenguy | jono: running woody? |
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| 01:57.08 | fatalblu_ | that's hard to do |
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| 01:57.13 | fatalblu_ | run with woody i mean |
| 01:57.18 | fatalblu_ | he has those long legs |
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| 01:57.31 | Xenguy | fatalblu_: sarge won't be long now :-) |
| 01:57.36 | Xenguy | oh |
| 01:57.38 | Xenguy | hah |
| 01:57.40 | fatalblu_ | poor sarge |
| 01:57.54 | jono | Xenguy, yes |
| 01:58.01 | jono | Xenguy, its the mailman in woody |
| 01:58.49 | jono | Xenguy, I think the problem was that I changes the list entry in /etc/group and I changed it back and gave it 28 instead of 28 - how can I resolve this? |
| 01:59.08 | Xenguy | jono: I assume the version is fairly old now, hence the bug(s). I'd say you can either wait for sarge (which has finally been frozen now I hear), or else look for a mailman 'backport' |
| 01:59.31 | bztunk | jono: bugs.debian.org |
| 01:59.35 | jono | how do I install the back port, I added the entry to source.list but an upgrade doesnt work |
| 02:00.46 | Xenguy | jono: I seem to recall installing a backport some time ago actually. What "doesn't work" ? |
| 02:01.06 | jono | it says mailman is held back |
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| 02:01.34 | Xenguy | hrm |
| 02:02.10 | Xenguy | I see one backport: http://backports.org/package.php?search=mailman |
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| 02:03.10 | Xenguy | jono: if that doesn't install, I'm not sure what to suggest - sorry (as I say, it worked for me, but that was over a year ago now) |
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| 02:03.39 | mwilson | Xenguy: He's not trying to install it, he thinks the upgrade target should install it and all its dependencies for him. |
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| 02:04.22 | Xenguy | mwilson: I'm not sure what you mean. |
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| 02:04.29 | Scrape | How do I get a list of packages on my system that can be configured via dpkg-reconfigure? |
| 02:04.37 | mwilson | [18:59] <jono> how do I install the back port, I added the entry to |
| 02:04.37 | mwilson | <PROTECTED> |
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| 02:05.09 | bztunk | Scrape: all of them! |
| 02:05.13 | mwilson | Xenguy: So he has zero idea whether or not it'll install, because he hasn't tried to install it. |
| 02:05.26 | Scrape | bztunk: eh... I don't think all packages use full-up debconf |
| 02:05.35 | bztunk | Scrape: of course not lol |
| 02:05.50 | bztunk | Scrape: but why would you need to know who does? |
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| 02:06.49 | Xenguy | mwilson: maybe you could suggest to jono what an appropriate solution would be? :-) |
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| 02:07.35 | bztunk | jono: anyway, if a package in woody doesn't work anyone, it should be a bug, then it should be removed from the next release |
| 02:07.46 | bztunk | jono: but I doubt it's just not working |
| 02:07.56 | mwilson | Xenguy: He wouldn't like my suggestion. |
| 02:08.13 | jono | hmmm it seems to install but has problems |
| 02:08.26 | jono | mwilson, and what would that be, out of interest? |
| 02:08.38 | Xenguy | jono: you probably need to be more specific about the nature of the problems |
| 02:08.50 | michal_ | i just got adsl and for some reason most www sites are "forbidden" anyone have any idea if what that might be about? |
| 02:08.51 | michal_ | ie |
| 02:08.53 | michal_ | wget http://www.slashdot.org |
| 02:08.53 | michal_ | Connecting to www.slashdot.org[66.35.250.151]:80 |
| 02:08.53 | michal_ | wget: server returned error 403: HTTP/1.1 403 Forbidden |
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| 02:09.13 | jono | it is giving python errors now |
| 02:09.17 | bztunk | michal_: proxy issues? |
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| 02:09.30 | Xenguy | jono: yuck |
| 02:09.36 | john | hmm |
| 02:09.42 | michal_ | bztrunk: is there any way to test if it's a proxy issue? i have no procies explicity configured |
| 02:09.48 | mwilson | Xenguy: I was merely pointing out that your assumptions about it installing or not were invalid, as he hadn't bothered to try installing it. |
| 02:09.50 | john | a few days ago.. my xine started playing movies choppy/slow |
| 02:09.57 | john | anybody know what may have happened? |
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| 02:10.06 | Xenguy | mwilson: OK, that could well be |
| 02:10.10 | bztunk | michal_: hum... I would do a telnet connection on port 80 |
| 02:10.17 | bztunk | michal_: check out the headers outputed |
| 02:10.48 | Chewie[] | john: is anything hung in the background that would use the display? similar things happen to me with bzflag, which always seems to leave a zombie every time i play. |
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| 02:10.54 | Xenguy | mwilson: I just hammer away until I find solutions you know :-) |
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| 02:11.02 | john | well |
| 02:11.05 | john | i rebooted since then |
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| 02:11.52 | michal_ | bztunk: what do i do once i connect to port 80? I tried get but ot nothing |
| 02:12.08 | bztunk | michal_: I forgot :D "GET /" or something |
| 02:12.40 | michal_ | GET / |
| 02:12.40 | michal_ | Connection closed by foreign host. |
| 02:13.13 | IDC | How do i unpack from .rar file ? |
| 02:13.22 | bztunk | michal_: try kernel.org |
| 02:13.32 | mwilson | IDC: Your other pirate buddies will know. |
| 02:13.36 | IDC | I Have no idea why they packed php programs in .rar format |
| 02:13.39 | michal_ | bztunk, i tried conencting to a place that DOESN'T work and got the html for the forbidden message though.. no identifying marks |
| 02:13.54 | LunarCrisis | I've installed libdvdcss2, and most DVDs play fine, but certain babylon 5 episodes give me the error "The source can't be read. Maybe you don't have enough rights for this, or source doesn't contain data" from xine, even when other episodes on the same dvd work perfectly |
| 02:14.05 | IDC | mwilson, lol ...? m$ ? |
| 02:14.08 | LunarCrisis | the DVDs work flawlessly on my TV dvd player |
| 02:14.17 | quittt | Sist. Arq. Tam Usad Disp Uso% Montado em |
| 02:14.17 | quittt | /dev/hda2 14G 4,9G 8,6G 37% / |
| 02:14.17 | quittt | tmpfs 62M 0 62M 0% /dev/shm |
| 02:14.17 | quittt | /dev/hda4 6,5G 2,2G 4,3G 34% /mnt/beos |
| 02:14.18 | quittt | /dev/hda1 17G 6,9G 8,9G 44% /mnt/doc |
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| 02:14.29 | mwilson | IDC: Whatever that's supposed to mean. |
| 02:14.32 | bztunk | IDC: unrar x <something.rar> |
| 02:14.42 | IDC | bztunk, let me try |
| 02:14.44 | bztunk | michal_: huh... I'm confused |
| 02:14.45 | michal_ | so any idea how else i could test what is blocking my web access? |
| 02:15.21 | michal_ | bztunk, by what? it's being blocked.. i don't know by what or where.. could be my router.. could my my modem.. could be my isp.. could by something else |
| 02:15.22 | bztunk | michal_: I don't know. I'm not a network master. I guess there's a better channel than #debian for this. |
| 02:15.25 | PerfDave | IDC: unrar. If it's using a recent version of rar, unrar-nonfree (in non-free, surprisingly) is the only thing that'll open it. rar is stupid. |
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| 02:16.36 | Sluk | hello |
| 02:16.47 | Sluk | i ahve a question here about getting a laptop trackpad to work |
| 02:17.07 | Sluk | i know for sure its /dev/psaux (i cat'd the device), but having trouble actually getting it to work |
| 02:17.21 | bztunk | Sluk: maybe you could read the billion pages about thinkpads and linux first :D |
| 02:17.45 | Sluk | well its not a thinkpad, does it matter? |
| 02:18.07 | bztunk | Sluk: err replace thinkpad and laptop |
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| 02:18.16 | bztunk | Sluk: google search will help you a lot |
| 02:18.22 | bucky | or just check http://www.linux-laptop.net/ and find a billion other people that have done it already |
| 02:18.23 | Sluk | i've read though a bunch |
| 02:19.08 | IDC | PerfDave, thanks ,i just ran 'unrar e file.rar' worked :) |
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| 02:19.56 | bztunk | Sluk: if you want help in here, be more specific. |
| 02:20.25 | Wyzard | Sluk: Usually they just work as PS/2 mice, I think |
| 02:20.54 | Sluk | i have a UMAX laptop Actionbook 320t |
| 02:21.07 | ix | can I have sshd running on several ports? |
| 02:21.12 | michal_ | charming.. all debian servers are forbidden :( |
| 02:21.37 | Sluk | i've tried running it under a bunch of protocols using gpm |
| 02:21.59 | Sluk | and it thinks that the trackpad is at /dev/psaux |
| 02:22.11 | Sluk | problem is i can't figure out which protocol it is using |
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| 02:22.23 | Sluk | tried PS/2, imPs/2, symps2, etc |
| 02:22.27 | Sluk | none of those seem to work |
| 02:22.37 | Wyzard | ix: Yes, you can |
| 02:22.47 | ix | how do I specify that in the config file? |
| 02:22.49 | Sluk | it runs under knoppix, but i just cant figure out what i'm doing wrong |
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| 02:22.53 | ix | several Ports-lines? |
| 02:22.57 | Wyzard | ix: Read the documentation for the config file |
| 02:23.00 | ix | -s |
| 02:23.05 | ix | oh :) |
| 02:23.09 | ix | *gets going* |
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| 02:23.40 | Wyzard | ix: (You're right, you can specify "Port" multiple times, but all I did to find that out was type "man sshd_config" and look for the Port option) |
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| 02:24.56 | ugv | dpkg -l |grep kernel shows me with 2 kernels installed. one the default 2.4.27-8 and one 10.00.Custom. how do i remove 10.00.Custom? both the package name is kernel-image-2 |
| 02:24.57 | dpkg | grep kernel shows me with 2 kernels installed. one the default 2.4.27-8 and one 10.00.Custom. how do i remove 10.00.Custom? both the package name is kernel-image-2 |
| 02:25.09 | michal_ | could someone go to "www.tsp.co.uk/alicap/cctv/4/ access-access-by-control-denied-list.html" and let me know if there is anything which could help me there? |
| 02:25.31 | michal_ | http://www.tsp.co.uk/alicap/cctv/4/access-access-by-control-denied-list.html actually |
| 02:25.34 | simonrvn | ugv: man dpkg, look for COLUMNS |
| 02:25.39 | ugv | ok. |
| 02:25.51 | ix | thanks, Wyzard - I honestly never thought of the fact that there existed a manpage |
| 02:25.55 | ix | my bad! |
| 02:26.04 | bztunk | wow |
| 02:26.05 | TypeRite | Anyone here using Sarge with postgresql and libpam-pgsql? |
| 02:26.17 | bztunk | ix: in debian, ALL packages have man pages |
| 02:26.21 | TypeRite | Just did an upgrade to sync with Sarge (from previous "snapshot" of Sarge) and things don't work. |
| 02:26.48 | ix | bztunk, it's 4:30 in the morning here, and I'm stupid |
| 02:27.01 | ix | two severe factors |
| 02:27.01 | mwilson | No, in oBSD, *all* packages have man pages. In Debian, all packages have placeholders whining about how upstream didn't write one. |
| 02:27.02 | TypeRite | I'm able to connect to the PostgreSQL server, even as the user that libpam-pgsql runs as, and select the user table, but authentication won't work. |
| 02:27.33 | bztunk | mwilson: haha, yeah, ok :D |
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| 02:27.58 | verbose | finally got it to work |
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| 02:28.17 | simonrvn | mwilson: *bsd. netbsd does the same |
| 02:28.20 | bztunk | michal_: the link you send was like a spam/scammer search page |
| 02:28.25 | verbose | i'm also able to boot from cd but the hardware detection freezes at 5% when checking sata-sil |
| 02:28.31 | simonrvn | i assume freebsd does too |
| 02:28.34 | jono | where does mailman store its db? |
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| 02:28.41 | verbose | however, when i use the disc it seems to detect the SCSI drive |
| 02:28.46 | michal_ | bztunk, ahh typical :/ |
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| 02:28.54 | michal_ | i can't figure out where the problem is :/ |
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| 02:28.59 | simonrvn | jono: which db? |
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| 02:29.07 | verbose | also, using the debian partitioner I seem to only be able to format / and /swap, nothing else |
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| 02:29.27 | verbose | should i use partitionmagic? |
| 02:29.46 | mwilson | verbose: For what? |
| 02:29.50 | verbose | debian |
| 02:29.56 | mwilson | Why would you want to do that? |
| 02:30.04 | verbose | because i want to create partitions other than the basics |
| 02:30.04 | michal_ | and there are no networking tools i can use to diagnose this problem? :/ |
| 02:30.14 | verbose | this is all the debian partitioner sets up |
| 02:30.21 | mwilson | Then do so. Why would you need PM for that? |
| 02:30.33 | Sluk | ok i really cant find anything useful online |
| 02:30.42 | Xenguy | I seem to be having trouble getting 'logcheck' to ignore a string; I insert this line in /etc/logcheck/logcheck.ignore -> .* host kernel: Shorewall:rfc1918:DROP <- and yet logcheck keeps retrieving them from my logfiles :-/ |
| 02:30.43 | verbose | well, i want to create eg: boot, /usr, /var, etc |
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| 02:31.10 | Sluk | anyone have an idea what i'm doing wrong with setting up the trackpad? |
| 02:31.14 | ugv | simonrvn, what does COLUMNS take? it just states it will display formatted text. dkpg -l |grep kernel (where should COLUMNS goes)? |
| 02:31.26 | karsten | ugv: ?? |
| 02:31.46 | verbose | when i autoconfigure the partition it just creates / and /swap but when i manually do it i can't seem to choose anything other than these mount points either |
| 02:31.51 | bztunk | verbose: just guessing, but maybe you filled up all the primary partitions, and now you think the installer can only format / and /swap |
| 02:32.07 | Xenguy | ugv: COLUMNS=200 dpkg -l ? |
| 02:32.09 | verbose | well, i'm creating partitions on my new 80gb hd |
| 02:32.18 | bztunk | verbose: I never used the debian installer extensively though |
| 02:32.41 | verbose | if i use one hd for windows and one for linux should i make the one i want to use for linux primary or logical? |
| 02:32.50 | ugv | Xenguy, ok. thanks |
| 02:32.56 | Xenguy | ugv: yw |
| 02:32.58 | verbose | i plan on switching between the two depending on what i want to boot via the bios |
| 02:32.59 | mwilson | verbose: HD's aren't primary or logical. Partitions ae. |
| 02:33.02 | LunarCrisis | I've installed libdvdcss2, and most DVDs play fine, but certain babylon 5 episodes give me the error "The source can't be read. Maybe you don't have enough rights for this, or source doesn't contain data" from xine, even when other episodes on the same dvd work perfectly. The DVDs all work flawlessly on my TV DVD player. . . |
| 02:33.02 | gartt | logical is just if you get too many primary parts |
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| 02:33.20 | verbose | will i be able to use lilo/grub to boot to each of the drives? |
| 02:33.28 | verbose | this is the first time i've used two drives |
| 02:33.33 | michal_ | Connecting to www.debian.org[194.109.137.218]:80... connected. |
| 02:33.33 | michal_ | HTTP request sent, awaiting response... 403 Forbidden |
| 02:33.52 | sussudio | no debian for you. |
| 02:34.03 | Xenguy | die |
| 02:34.26 | bztunk | LunarCrisis: maybe you should check out #xine instead of repeating stuff here? |
| 02:34.32 | verbose | what do i do to download from a mirror using debian-installer netinst |
| 02:34.33 | verbose | ? |
| 02:34.43 | LunarCrisis | bztunk, good idea >.< |
| 02:34.50 | verbose | and how do i go about connecting to the mirror? |
| 02:34.53 | ugv | has 2.6.11 kernel package comes out for sarge yet? |
| 02:35.18 | bztunk | verbose: at some stage it's going to list a bunch of mirros |
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| 02:35.35 | verbose | bztunk: yes, but how do i connect? |
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| 02:35.48 | bztunk | verbose: you press "enter" |
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| 02:35.55 | verbose | it uses dhcp to detect my network so i plugged my cable modem into my network card |
| 02:36.00 | squareff | anybody ever tried "rsync -P <ftp...::final.iso> <local/beta.iso>"? did it work? |
| 02:36.02 | verbose | install of using firewire |
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| 02:36.06 | verbose | i mean, usb |
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| 02:37.39 | simonrvn | ugv: in front, takes =somenumber like 150 or such |
| 02:37.46 | jono | canI install certain debian packages from testing into woody? |
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| 02:37.53 | verbose | so, when i select the mirror i don't have to enter anything in the text field? |
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| 02:38.17 | bztunk | verbose: if you don't use a proxy no |
| 02:38.20 | verbose | and how do i go about downloading the files |
| 02:38.22 | verbose | oh i see |
| 02:38.28 | verbose | but i don't think it works either way |
| 02:38.29 | bztunk | verbose: I'm guessing you're talking about the http proxy field |
| 02:38.37 | verbose | well, ftp or http |
| 02:38.41 | pmiller9 | is there a reason why the libwxgtk2.5.3 packages were removed? |
| 02:38.46 | squareff | [retrying] anybody ever tried "rsync -P <ftp...::final.iso> <local/beta.iso>"? did it work? |
| 02:38.58 | verbose | how do i connect to download the files though? |
| 02:39.08 | bztunk | squareff: dude, your last post is still showing up on my screen |
| 02:39.25 | bztunk | verbose: you want to download a specific file? |
| 02:39.39 | squareff | bztunk: really? not on mine |
| 02:39.53 | bztunk | verbose: I don't understand your problem, you should just press enter like 20 times, that's all, installation finished |
| 02:40.05 | verbose | well, i'm using the netinst cd |
| 02:40.11 | Kerr | http://www.bordergatewayprotocol.net/jon/humor/internet_history/ :D |
| 02:40.13 | squareff | bztunk: so... you must know the answer :) |
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| 02:40.18 | verbose | how do i install the files? |
| 02:40.32 | verbose | the only way i can see is through use of the mirrors |
| 02:40.41 | bztunk | squareff: If I knew I would have replied with the answer, duh |
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| 02:40.58 | furrywolf | I had someone's cat in my room... he decided it would be a good idea to vomit in my computer. destroyed my geforce2 GTS, the only modern video card I own. |
| 02:40.58 | bztunk | verbose: you just press enter, enter, enter |
| 02:41.11 | bztunk | verbose: it will fetch the required files buy itself |
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| 02:41.13 | bztunk | *by |
| 02:41.13 | hugo | who can I umount some dead smb mounts? |
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| 02:41.21 | verbose | ah ok |
| 02:41.23 | Kerr | furrywolf: owch.. |
| 02:41.29 | hugo | how can I force them? |
| 02:41.29 | bucky | die kitty die |
| 02:41.31 | bztunk | furrywolf: lol gts, the first one with T&L or something |
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| 02:41.47 | squareff | bztunk: i was kidding |
| 02:41.49 | bucky | it's hard to kill a cat |
| 02:41.53 | hugo | or how can I make them remount themselves? |
| 02:41.54 | furrywolf | ate the solder right off the board, even dissolving along traces and forming bubbles underneeth the solder mask. |
| 02:42.01 | verbose | what about the problem i'm having when booting directly form the cd... it freezes when it tries to detect sata-sil |
| 02:42.29 | bztunk | verbose: maybe it's not freezing, it's just working |
| 02:42.36 | bztunk | verbose: or it's a bug. |
| 02:42.37 | verbose | it seems to detect it when using the floppies just fine |
| 02:42.47 | bucky | furrywolf, wire that card up to a wall socket and put it in kitty's dish |
| 02:42.48 | verbose | well, i let it run for quite some time |
| 02:43.00 | verbose | i have a Koutech psa150 sata controller |
| 02:43.22 | bztunk | verbose: you're booting from floppies? I don't know what you need to do then |
| 02:43.28 | furrywolf | also got on my all-in-wonder capture card, and did the exact same thing, disolving all the solder... but fortunately it was on an unpopulated area of the board, so hopefully it still works... |
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| 02:43.50 | verbose | well, i have been for quite awhile but have recently discovered i can boot from the floppy |
| 02:43.55 | verbose | but it freezes |
| 02:44.00 | Delph | lol |
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| 02:44.09 | bztunk | furrywolf: what a masothistic kiddy |
| 02:44.13 | furrywolf | cat stomach acid must be rather strong to disolve metal, but it sure seems to. |
| 02:45.26 | verbose | my sata controller is something like this...Silicon Image 3112 / 3114 (integrated), and 3512 (PCI) (CMD Technology, Inc.) |
| 02:45.33 | furrywolf | now what do I put in? my nvidia riva card with 8mb ram? |
| 02:45.36 | verbose | from this site... http://www.linuxmafia.com/faq/Hardware/sata.html |
| 02:45.47 | bztunk | verbose: I don't think the debian-installer developers are in #debian |
| 02:46.14 | verbose | oh... where are they then? |
| 02:46.20 | verbose | that would be good to know |
| 02:46.36 | PerfDave | #debian-boot ? |
| 02:46.39 | bztunk | furrywolf: wait a minute... how did a cat get into your box? |
| 02:46.48 | PerfDave | Does the d-i documentation not explain what to do if you've got a bug? |
| 02:46.53 | bztunk | verbose: or reading mailing lists, probably |
| 02:46.53 | verbose | debian-boot? |
| 02:47.01 | simonrvn | yes it does |
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| 02:47.12 | verbose | you are right |
| 02:47.25 | furrywolf | bztunk: had the case off as I just pulled out the dvd burner to try it in another box |
| 02:47.47 | bztunk | furrywolf: hahaha funny shit |
| 02:48.03 | simonrvn | figures it's someone else's cat; not trained to stay away from computers |
| 02:48.16 | furrywolf | god dammit. there's bubbles under the solder mask on the all-in-wonder card too. |
| 02:48.22 | sparr_ | I have a C file that includes <GL/gl.h>, how can I tell which of the plethora of gl.h files on my system it is finding? And, more importantly, how can I make sure it finds the right one? |
| 02:48.25 | simonrvn | yikes |
| 02:48.59 | simonrvn | sparr_: /usr/include/GL/gl.h is the likely suspect |
| 02:49.00 | furrywolf | I'm just hoping that since it's on an unpopulated area of the board, it still works... the geforce2 gts I'm pretty sure is completely toasted. |
| 02:49.57 | sparr_ | simonrvn: yes, but I would like to be sure. |
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| 02:50.05 | bztunk | sparr_: http://gcc.gnu.org/onlinedocs/gcc-4.0.0/cpp/Search-Path.html#Search-Path |
| 02:50.10 | bztunk | sparr_: wasn't difficult to find |
| 02:50.19 | sparr_ | bztunk: thanks |
| 02:50.19 | simonrvn | you can't be any more sure than that... |
| 02:50.40 | sparr_ | simonrvn: sure i can, i could strace gcc and see which file it opens :) |
| 02:50.54 | simonrvn | or read that ^^ |
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| 02:57.16 | bztunk | bah, the gcc documentation is not specific enough. In what order? oh well. |
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| 02:57.55 | llama32 | anyone know what is involved to log in from a C program (eg gdm)? |
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| 02:59.23 | fatalblu_ | time for the black-u-weather forecast |
| 02:59.31 | fatalblu_ | IT GOIN RAIN! |
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| 03:01.51 | peterS | llama32: what do you mean? |
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| 03:02.35 | Thanatermesis | how to send a message of an user (desconected) ? |
| 03:02.41 | int80_h | I've got an account on a debian server, how do I tell what version of deb ian it is? |
| 03:02.47 | int80_h | I mean, which release |
| 03:02.56 | peterS | int80_h: cat /etc/debian_version |
| 03:03.00 | ApEtc | cat /etc/debian_version |
| 03:03.02 | int80_h | thanks |
| 03:03.25 | int80_h | I need to install emacs |
| 03:03.28 | int80_h | locally |
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| 03:07.29 | fatalblu_ | http://www.cnn.com/2005/US/05/07/church.politics.ap/index.html |
| 03:07.31 | fatalblu_ | ouch |
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| 03:13.00 | asdftito | hola |
| 03:13.23 | asdftito | ola |
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| 03:14.46 | llama32 | peterS: say im writing something like gdm, what is involved to actually log in - is it a complex thing or something realy simple? |
| 03:15.02 | peterS | llama32: depends on what you mean by simple / complex (: |
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| 03:15.17 | the423a | whos good with samba |
| 03:15.18 | asdftito | hola |
| 03:15.21 | peterS | llama32: first you pop up your dialog to get user and password |
| 03:15.35 | peterS | llama32: then you call functions in the pam library to verify that the user matches the password |
| 03:15.57 | asdftito | hola |
| 03:15.58 | peterS | llama32: then you look up the user, and the user's groups |
| 03:16.07 | asdftito | hola |
| 03:16.19 | peterS | llama32: then you add all the user's groups as secondary groups, and change to the user's primary group as your primary group, then change to the user itself |
| 03:16.20 | polok | how would I run 'sort' on an array of characters in a shell script? |
| 03:16.30 | peterS | llama32: before doing that you probably want to write a utmp record of your login |
| 03:17.01 | peterS | llama32: at some point you start a new session with setsid, which might have to follow a fork, depending on circumstance |
| 03:17.20 | peterS | llama32: you call another pam function to let the pam library know you're starting a session |
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| 03:17.35 | furrywolf | anyone have a spare video card they don't need, to replace my now-dead geforce2 gts? |
| 03:17.42 | peterS | llama32: then you do whatever else you wanted to do, such as starting a user shell, or executing .xsession |
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| 03:18.32 | peterS | polok: what form do you have this array of characters in? a single string? |
| 03:18.41 | sam_in | what is chroot /why it is use |
| 03:19.07 | peterS | sam_in: it lets you restrict what portion of the filesystem is visible. it's used mainly as a security precaution |
| 03:19.33 | peterS | but also used to simulate a different system than the one you are on, sort of like a virtual machine |
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| 03:19.54 | polok | peterS: it comes in a string, I was thinking of breaking the string up into characters, and running sort, but I'm having troubles |
| 03:19.56 | asdftito | hola |
| 03:20.05 | dvs | !tell asdftito -about ask |
| 03:20.13 | peterS | polok: I'd probably use perl... |
| 03:20.39 | dvs | !tell asdftito -about es |
| 03:20.44 | furrywolf | http://www.bushytails.net/~randyg/ram.jpg <== after attempting to clean the chip the best I could... |
| 03:20.51 | polok | peterS: I wish, sadly I can't. It has to be written in bash :( |
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| 03:21.37 | peterS | polok: sorted=$(echo -n "$string" | perl -e 'print sort split(//, <>)' |
| 03:21.44 | furrywolf | polok: are the characters printable ascii, or are they binary? |
| 03:21.46 | peterS | polok: try that |
| 03:22.14 | sam_in | peterS: if i say chroot / then it will be only restected to root use only or what |
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| 03:22.24 | polok | furrywolf: ascii |
| 03:22.26 | polok | peterS: thanks :D |
| 03:22.33 | furrywolf | that's using perl. :P |
| 03:22.41 | peterS | furrywolf: as I suggested, yeah |
| 03:22.51 | peterS | sam_in: use of the chroot call is restricted to root, yes |
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| 03:23.15 | polok | I'm trying to get rid of all duplicate letters in a string, for example, turn the word 'assasin' to 'asin' |
| 03:23.17 | furrywolf | I was going to suggest something along the lines of echo $string | sed 's/./&\n/g' | sort | tr -d '\n' :) |
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| 03:23.35 | peterS | furrywolf: ha. that'd work too. |
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| 03:23.51 | furrywolf | or to remove dupes... echo $string | sed 's/./&\n/g' | sort -u | tr -d '\n' |
| 03:24.08 | llama32 | thanks peterS, i think ill take a look at xdm or something's code :) |
| 03:24.15 | asdftito | sorry |
| 03:24.23 | simonrvn | @stats |
| 03:24.32 | peterS | llama32: xdm does a lot more than just log you in. if you just want the steps to log you in you might check out the code to 'login' instead |
| 03:24.34 | ravenbird | Since Mon May 2 21:50:06 2005, there have been 7 modifications, 55 questions, 9 dunnos, 0 morons and 58 commands. I have been awake for 5d 5h 34m 29s this session, and currently reference 20695 factoids. I'm using about 20004 kB of memory. With 0 active forks. Process time user/system 1490.55/60.75 child 0.05/0.16 |
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| 03:24.55 | peterS | llama32: note, login is part of the 'shadow' source package |
| 03:25.20 | polok | thanks a lot :D |
| 03:25.21 | jono | where are the crontabs for mailman in woody stored? |
| 03:26.04 | peterS | furrywolf: my rule of thumb is that I prefer simple tools to complex tools. so sed >> perl. but I also prefer perl over a pipeline several items long (: |
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| 03:26.43 | asdftito | sorry |
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| 03:27.35 | jetdotnet | !fartfish |
| 03:27.35 | dpkg | jetdotnet: fartfish |
| 03:28.14 | furrywolf | peters: heh. I try to avoid perl, since the long ugly pipeline makes far more sense than the short ugly perl line. :P |
| 03:28.32 | peterS | furrywolf: print sort split //,<> is ugly? (: |
| 03:28.45 | furrywolf | well, that's a pretty simple example. |
| 03:28.59 | jetdotnet | fuckin cricket making noise in my house |
| 03:29.00 | furrywolf | oh, and I really, really hate people who leave the parens out. makes reading it much harder. :P |
| 03:29.07 | peterS | hehe |
| 03:29.09 | dvs | jetdotnet: Shoot it |
| 03:29.19 | peterS | you prefer print(sort(split(//,<>))) then? |
| 03:29.37 | furrywolf | any day. |
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| 03:29.57 | sam_in_ | peterS: sorry i mean if i want to restrsit one partation how do it /or if i want to restect any diectory to other users how do i do that |
| 03:30.18 | jetdotnet | vfat/ntfs, sam_in ? |
| 03:30.24 | peterS | sam_in_: you have to understand a lot about system administration to do this in the general case |
| 03:30.37 | peterS | I mean, to use chroot |
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| 03:30.51 | furrywolf | I like parens. makes things simple and unambigious. :P |
| 03:30.52 | peterS | using chown+chmod for this purpose requires less acumen |
| 03:31.05 | jetdotnet | you love your parents |
| 03:31.15 | sam_in_ | ok |
| 03:31.23 | peterS | jetdotnet: nah, he likes Bruce Parens |
| 03:31.24 | positrix | /join #eterm |
| 03:31.44 | furrywolf | watch out or I'll start giving answers in lisp. :) |
| 03:31.44 | positrix | ... thats weird |
| 03:32.03 | SpaceLobster | Hi people, I am trying to install debian on a machine with a realtick 8139 nic. the driver should be 8139 or 8139too. In the install network dialoge, I can't find realtick listed at all, nor can I find the 8139 card listed. Is this a cause for worry? or should I just assume the kernel knows 8139? |
| 03:32.19 | jetdotnet | 8139too |
| 03:32.21 | peterS | SpaceLobster: what install method? woody or sarge? |
| 03:32.25 | dvs | or 8139cp |
| 03:32.27 | jetdotnet | modprobe 8239too should work |
| 03:32.30 | SpaceLobster | peterS woody |
| 03:32.36 | jetdotnet | unless it's a c or whatever |
| 03:32.43 | peterS | SpaceLobster: did you boot the bf2.4 kernel? |
| 03:32.43 | SpaceLobster | are there disk out for sarge now? |
| 03:32.51 | SpaceLobster | peterS yes bf2.4 |
| 03:32.53 | jetdotnet | sarge has been deprecated |
| 03:32.54 | peterS | SpaceLobster: yes, there are. http://www.debian.org/devel/debian-installer/ |
| 03:33.03 | peterS | SpaceLobster: well, the bf2.4 kernel happens to have 8139too built in, not as a module |
| 03:33.13 | SpaceLobster | thanks peterS |
| 03:33.24 | jetdotnet | ah yeah i forgot that |
| 03:33.53 | SpaceLobster | dang, I just ordered disk about two weeks ago from osssystems.com and they sent me woody disk |
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| 03:34.05 | jetdotnet | burn one! |
| 03:34.18 | SpaceLobster | I don't have a burner working at the moment |
| 03:34.25 | jetdotnet | ah.. me neither |
| 03:34.26 | polok | there's no way using bash to remove duplicate lines from a non-sorted file, is there? |
| 03:34.34 | furrywolf | polok: sure there is |
| 03:34.39 | furrywolf | the question is if you really want to do it. |
| 03:34.41 | SpaceLobster | hmmm, at my dad's office maybe, if I wanted to putz around on his machine, I could get his burner working |
| 03:34.44 | jetdotnet | mine borked, but i have a very old scsi 2x lying around |
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| 03:34.57 | furrywolf | you could write your own bubblesort pretty quickly... quicksort would be a pain. |
| 03:35.08 | peterS | polok: yeah, it's painful to do that from an algorithmic standpoint in any case. you have to remember every token you've already seen so you can see if the next one is a duplicate |
| 03:35.28 | peterS | polok: sorting first is easier because then your dupes will be adjacent |
| 03:35.58 | peterS | in the absence of hashing, dupe removal is O(n^2) and uses O(n) extra memory |
| 03:36.19 | peterS | I mean, unless you sort |
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| 03:37.07 | furrywolf | for i in a b c d e f g h i j k l m n o p q r s t u v w x y z ; do if (cat $string | grep $i) ; then echo -n $i ; fi ; done <== something like that. |
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| 03:37.30 | Clint0006 | <PROTECTED> |
| 03:37.37 | furrywolf | that's very unlikely to be valid bash, but the idea is simple. :P |
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| 03:38.19 | simonrvn | for i in $(seq a .. z) maybe? does seq do english alphabet? |
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| 03:38.30 | peterS | furrywolf: cat $string? not echo $string? (: |
| 03:38.37 | furrywolf | yes, echo. :P |
| 03:38.46 | SpaceLobster | on a windows machine, how do I burn a disk image? click on say sarge-i386-1.iso save to disk, and then what do I do with that file? How do I copy that file to a cd rom? there are two types of projects, "data projects" and "cd copy projects". with the data projects I click and drag the files I want. Is this what I should do? a data project? |
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| 03:39.23 | peterS | SpaceLobster: you should have CD writing software on your windows box. use the help to figure out how to burn a prebuilt image, I guess. it'll depend on your software. |
| 03:39.31 | SpaceLobster | imho all video cards are evil, consol mode is the only trustworthy mode on any computer |
| 03:39.32 | bbrazil | simonrvn: don't think so, but you can probably get bash to use them as octal numbers |
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| 03:39.42 | simonrvn | bbrazil: mm, yeh |
| 03:39.51 | gartt | SpaceLobster: Hell yeah :P |
| 03:39.53 | darkcmd | hmm |
| 03:39.59 | furrywolf | for i in a b c d e f g h i j k l m n o p q r s t u v w x y z ; do if (echo $string | grep $i >/dev/null) ; then echo -n $i ; fi ; done ; echo <== there ya go |
| 03:40.15 | simonrvn | i tend to stay away from ash scripting, and try to stick to sh scripting |
| 03:40.18 | simonrvn | bash* |
| 03:40.39 | furrywolf | the last one I actually tested, unlike the first one. :P |
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| 03:41.06 | SpaceLobster | what is the sorting problem? I missed the statment of the problem |
| 03:41.22 | sparr_ | two pieces of code. one is GPL, the other uses the zlib license. Can I use both pieces and distribute my work, with the seperate pieces still under their respective licenses? |
| 03:41.34 | peterS | furrywolf: learn what grep -q does (: |
| 03:41.40 | furrywolf | space: he/she wants to remove duplicate letters. one way is to sort then remove dupes. my code does the same thing. :) |
| 03:41.47 | simonrvn | --quiet ;) |
| 03:41.52 | furrywolf | peterS: blah. when in doubt, stick with what you know. :P |
| 03:42.20 | SpaceLobster | oh ok |
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| 03:43.03 | KerPlunk | What is a good plugin to view movies with firefox? |
| 03:43.09 | furrywolf | polok: how's that version for you? |
| 03:43.12 | KerPlunk | with apt-get |
| 03:43.25 | peterS | furrywolf: it's a lot more complex than the one you posted awhile back that used sort -u |
| 03:43.30 | De_Mon | How would I find out the EOL settings for all the files in a directory? |
| 03:43.30 | shingouz_ | KerPlunk: mplayer? |
| 03:43.40 | peterS | De_Mon: 'file' will tell you |
| 03:43.42 | furrywolf | peters: yeah, but he wanted to do it entirely in bash... but I used grep! d'oh! |
| 03:43.49 | KerPlunk | shingouz: What is the apt-get package name? |
| 03:43.50 | peterS | furrywolf: indeed you did |
| 03:44.00 | shingouz_ | !tell KerPlunk about marillat |
| 03:44.05 | De_Mon | peterS they are both telling me "exported SGML document text" |
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| 03:44.08 | peterS | furrywolf: you could have used expr, which is *probably* a bash bulitin, instead |
| 03:44.11 | KerPlunk | shingouz: I have marillat |
| 03:44.15 | KerPlunk | in my sources.list |
| 03:44.21 | KerPlunk | What is the apt-get package name though? |
| 03:44.29 | simonrvn | /usr/bin/expr |
| 03:44.31 | furrywolf | expr doesn't look like a builtin... |
| 03:44.38 | Marcello | Oi, algum brasileiro aqui no canal??? |
| 03:44.49 | shingouz_ | KerPlunk: Hmmm.. I am not sure, check with apt-cache search, something should show up I think |
| 03:44.52 | shingouz_ | !br |
| 03:44.52 | dpkg | Por favor use #debian-br (/j #debian-br) para ajuda em portugues. |
| 03:44.54 | simonrvn | part of coreutils |
| 03:44.54 | peterS | furrywolf: oh, true, it's not. well, it's considered more 'shell plumbing' than grep is, anyway (: |
| 03:45.18 | peterS | simonrvn: /bin/true is part of coreutils, but that doesn't stop 'true' from being a bash builtin |
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| 03:45.53 | simonrvn | i know |
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| 03:46.31 | fazer | shingouz_: hey |
| 03:46.34 | fazer | shingouz: hey |
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| 03:46.44 | simonrvn | you just use the asolute path, or use exec, if you want the binary |
| 03:46.48 | shingouz_ | fazer: What's up? |
| 03:46.49 | simonrvn | absol* |
| 03:46.56 | quittt | hi I installed Debian and then Windows... how do I boot Linux to replace grub again? |
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| 03:47.19 | fazer | shingouz_: Hey, I was able to access the disk just fine by using a Live CD |
| 03:47.42 | shingouz_ | fazer: Excellent! So now it works, huh? |
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| 03:48.21 | fazer | shingouz_: Yeap, just to make sure, I used the Windows XP installer to make a small partition for Windows to see if it works. And it did. I think its better than my original IBM Travelstar hard drive |
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| 03:48.51 | jetdotnet | quittt: got a woody cd? |
| 03:48.59 | quittt | jetdotnet no cd =/ |
| 03:49.03 | Simpleton | Alright, this is going to sound incredibly noob like, but how do I mount a drive so any user can access it? |
| 03:49.12 | tabris|away | jetdotnet: that just sounds awful |
| 03:49.21 | jetdotnet | if not, boot the sarge installer up to the point of partitioning, then shell out and chroot, do stuff |
| 03:49.24 | simonrvn | man mount, /user |
| 03:49.47 | Simpleton | i look at the man page for mount, and i added user to fstab |
| 03:49.54 | Simpleton | it still wont let me access as anything but root |
| 03:49.57 | jetdotnet | Simpleton: ntfs/vfat /msg dpkg rw-vfat or ro-ntfs |
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| 03:50.11 | jetdotnet | think umask |
| 03:50.19 | jetdotnet | for ext |
| 03:50.19 | shingouz_ | fazer: Sorry, multitasking. So what are you going to install on the laptop now? Did I manage to convice yo to go Debian ;) |
| 03:50.31 | Simpleton | the filesystem on it is ntfs |
| 03:50.33 | simonrvn | @lart stupid vfat and nt"fs" |
| 03:50.54 | quittt | is there a way?? |
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| 03:50.59 | jetdotnet | /msg dpkg ro-ntfs ... change it to fit your system |
| 03:51.05 | fazer | shingouz_: Hehe, no problem. I am still deciding, although doing a re-install of Linux would be yet another horrible experience for me =( |
| 03:51.06 | simonrvn | shingouz_: uuuuuuuuuuuuuuu ;p |
| 03:51.13 | quittt | jetdotnet there isnt a boot floppy? |
| 03:51.17 | shingouz_ | simonrvn: ty |
| 03:51.22 | jetdotnet | where will 'u' go today |
| 03:51.22 | simonrvn | :) |
| 03:51.31 | shingouz_ | fazer: /msg dpkg d-i |
| 03:51.34 | jetdotnet | quittt: if you made one there is |
| 03:51.51 | polok | furrywolf: thanks, I'm trying to get my head around it now |
| 03:51.58 | Simpleton | is there one of those things for what gid is |
| 03:52.00 | fazer | shingouz_: but suprisingly, my PCMCIA network card needed drivers to be installed for XP, but Linux (Ubuntu) recognized it fine _after_ I gave it some boot parameters. |
| 03:52.02 | Xenguy | After wrestling with 'logcheck' for too long, I'm looking for alternatives... I've heard of 'swatch'; anyone have recommendations for other log analyzer programs? |
| 03:52.17 | jetdotnet | yes gid is group id |
| 03:52.28 | jetdotnet | do id in console |
| 03:52.29 | Simpleton | i know that part, but i have no clue what group ids there are |
| 03:52.31 | Simpleton | oh |
| 03:52.36 | quittt | jetdotnet I didnt make any boot disks... |
| 03:52.37 | shingouz_ | fazer: The only thing I would do to the Sarge netinstall would be to pull hotplug and discover and replace them with cardmgr and usbmrg |
| 03:52.39 | jetdotnet | it will tell you what you're in |
| 03:52.50 | jetdotnet | !ubbd |
| 03:52.55 | shingouz_ | fazer: That is the way of linux these days |
| 03:52.59 | jetdotnet | hmmm |
| 03:53.11 | fazer | shingouz_: what do you mean? I am still a n00b when it comes to Linux |
| 03:53.31 | quittt | jetdotnet am I dead? |
| 03:53.45 | jetdotnet | quittt: there are boot floppies for sarge installer... no you're not dead... |
| 03:53.52 | fazer | shingouz_: I doubt that it will auto-detect/configure my wifi and sound all for me |
| 03:53.57 | jetdotnet | hang on i'm looking for urls |
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| 03:54.05 | quittt | jetdotnet where should I get them?? |
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| 03:54.30 | simonrvn | "jetdotnet hang on i'm looking for urls" |
| 03:54.31 | shingouz_ | fazer: Linux Just Works these days. And when it comes to the Sarge install, I'd remove hotplug and discover then replace them with usbmgr and cardmgs. The cards should be configured in the beginning too |
| 03:54.31 | jetdotnet | <PROTECTED> |
| 03:54.39 | shingouz_ | fazer: Automagically even |
| 03:54.48 | jetdotnet | quittt: /msg dpkg d-i to get the sarge installer boot floppies |
| 03:54.56 | jetdotnet | but note that this is the installer |
| 03:55.02 | jetdotnet | not an ebd |
| 03:55.05 | shingouz_ | fazer: The sound may need some tweaking but even that is not a major thing |
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| 03:56.17 | fazer | shingouz_: have you ever installed Linux on a 600E Thinkpad? The sound card driver, even when it does work, it doesn't support dual channel mixing and the volume is *terribly* low |
| 03:56.18 | Simpleton | Nice, it worked. Thanks jetdotnet. |
| 03:56.38 | quittt | jetdotnet there are four floopies |
| 03:56.43 | quittt | I need four? |
| 03:56.50 | jetdotnet | i think you need 2 |
| 03:56.58 | jetdotnet | and might need 4 |
| 03:57.21 | shingouz_ | fazer: Use Alsa instead of OSS. The Alsa drivers for cs4232 are duplex and work nicely. The sound volume can be controlled too with a minor tweak |
| 03:57.24 | jetdotnet | you need root and boot, iirc? (havent used the boot floppies in sarge yiet, just woody |
| 03:57.26 | jetdotnet | ) |
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| 03:57.43 | jetdotnet | woody cd roxors, has an 'omg i can't boot my shit' section |
| 03:58.08 | fazer | shingouz_: yes, I use Alsa. |
| 03:58.09 | Simpleton | bah |
| 03:58.23 | Simpleton | i can access in the terminal now as my non root user, but not in programs |
| 03:58.39 | fazer | shingouz_: however, why do you dislike Ubuntu? I like Ubuntu because it has better support (supported by a company) and based off of Debian. |
| 03:58.53 | fazer | If it wasn't for Ubuntu, I would use Debian, or give Gentoo a try |
| 03:59.07 | peterS | furrywolf: pure bash! x='this is a fairly long test of DUPLICATE LETTER REMOVAL'; y=''; while [ -n "$x" ]; do x0=${x%${x#?}}; x=${x#?}; y=$y$x0; while [ "$x" != "${x#*$x0}" ]; do x=${x%%$x0*}${x#*$x0}; done; done; echo "$y" |
| 03:59.32 | furrywolf | peters: lol |
| 03:59.36 | furrywolf | mine is uglier. :P |
| 03:59.42 | shingouz_ | fazer: Then you should check what alsamixer has to say about it. There is also another possibilty, if the sound is ok when you install it but gets screwed after the first boot you have to make a small script into the startups to fire up the sound after pcmcia has come up. Piece of cake |
| 03:59.51 | peterS | furrywolf: hey, what can I say, it works. and it doesn't sort anything. and it doesn't assume an alphabet of specific characters (: |
| 04:00.03 | shingouz_ | fazer: Ubuntu is a bit too braindead for my tastes |
| 04:00.04 | Simpleton | anyone here running at 1600x1200 |
| 04:00.23 | Simpleton | or a similiar high resoulution |
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| 04:00.28 | peterS | and it doesn't fork *at all* |
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| 04:00.50 | peterS | well, assuming [ ] is a shell builtin, which it is for almost every shell anymore |
| 04:00.54 | shingouz_ | Simpleton: I run 640x480. No polls please |
| 04:01.08 | fazer | shingouz_: Oh, since I a linux n00b, I usually just preferr things done for me =) although I have experience working with the command line before via SSH connections. |
| 04:01.16 | Simpleton | I was asking because I need help with something related to it |
| 04:01.39 | Fo | Simpleton : 1024x768 |
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| 04:01.53 | peterS | Simpleton: please just skip the formalities and ask the question you really want to ask |
| 04:01.55 | fazer | shingouz_: In Alsamixer, everything that can be changed has the volume set to max. Still I have to increase the volume of the hardware manually via Fn key to get the decent sound levels. |
| 04:02.15 | Simpleton | My problem is that even though my resolution is that high, it seems gnome doesnt care and just makes the windows giant anyways |
| 04:02.23 | shingouz_ | fazer: There you go then. The CLI is your friend and the really automagic stuff can screw up the Thinkpad pretty weirdly, I noticed when I tried to use all the neat hotplugs and all |
| 04:02.40 | Simpleton | In windows I had more real estate then i knew what do with, in linux, It seems like the every window takes up the entire screen |
| 04:02.47 | furrywolf | string="asdffnording" ; for i in a b c d e f g h i j k l m n o p q r s t u v w x y z ; do foo=${string//$i/} ; if [[ ${#foo} -lt ${#string} ]] ; then echo -n $i ; fi ; done ; echo <== my all-bash one. surely there has to be a prettier way to see if a substring exists?! |
| 04:02.55 | peterS | Simpleton: that can usually be blamed on your font size settings |
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| 04:03.11 | Simpleton | Where would I go about changing window sized from bulky to normal |
| 04:03.17 | furrywolf | I know how to delete substrings, but checking if a substring exists I can't find. :P |
| 04:03.23 | Simpleton | I cant seem to find any kind of control center for gnome |
| 04:03.50 | shingouz_ | fazer: I think the sound comes on too early. That is a well documented thing that can be found on the IBM website, has been around since day one. Basically just make a script that removes and installs the sound modules and put it to execute way after everything else has come up and the sound is there. |
| 04:03.52 | fazer | shingouz_: ah, so I guess you have some experience with LInux on a Thinkpad 600e? |
| 04:04.10 | peterS | furrywolf: see my code snippet. note the [ "$x" != "${x#*$x0}" ] |
| 04:04.10 | tabris|away | furrywolf: consider perl instead? |
| 04:04.16 | Simpleton | I know im asking lots of noob questions, sorry for bothering everyone just trying to figure things out |
| 04:04.23 | shingouz_ | fazer: I run a couple of 600's here, haven't been lucky to get my paws on an E yet |
| 04:04.37 | fazer | shingouz_: oh, that didn't make much sense ... about removing and installing sound modules... |
| 04:04.48 | furrywolf | peters: I wrote mine before seeing yours... decided it was too ugly to inflict upon the channel. :) |
| 04:04.51 | peterS | furrywolf: I suppose you'd use [[ ]] and no "" but whatever |
| 04:04.52 | shingouz_ | fazer: It really is a piece of cake |
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| 04:04.58 | fazer | shingouz_: oh, then lets try it out. |
| 04:05.09 | peterS | old habits die hard, like not relying on [[ ]] to exist |
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| 04:05.34 | furrywolf | I like my first one the best. the one that used sort -u. :P |
| 04:05.39 | simonrvn | bleh, [[ ]] is a bashism |
| 04:05.47 | peterS | simonrvn: not so, it's a posixism |
| 04:05.53 | shingouz_ | fazer: But you are on Ubuntu and I do not know how the thing is set up. I believe that if we try the Debian thing out on it the sound will move to China or something |
| 04:06.08 | simonrvn | i've never seen [[ ]] in a posix compliant script |
| 04:06.23 | peterS | simonrvn: hmmm, it exists in ksh and bash but apparently it isn't posix. at least, dash doesn't have it |
| 04:06.32 | stew | whee |
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| 04:06.58 | simonrvn | peterS: 15 simonrvn: 2 ;p |
| 04:07.00 | furrywolf | peters: hrmm. my bash doesn't like your line. :P |
| 04:07.16 | Simpleton | so emm, how do i go about changing the font size universally |
| 04:07.18 | simonrvn | j/k. i'm not *really* counting |
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| 04:07.31 | peterS | furrywolf: I wrote it multi-line and then transcribed to a single line. maybe I made a typo |
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| 04:07.41 | fazer | shingouz_: Btw, were you referring to a script over here? http://www-307.ibm.com/pc/support/site.wss/MIGR-4BP6Q6.html |
| 04:07.43 | Simpleton | or maybe dpi |
| 04:07.44 | furrywolf | n/m. something got bungled copy+pasting it. |
| 04:07.48 | shingouz_ | fazer: sec |
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| 04:08.20 | starscalling | OMG IM BACK~! thankyou~!~~ |
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| 04:08.26 | simonrvn | o_O |
| 04:08.27 | starscalling | well time to laugh at starscalling: |
| 04:08.36 | starscalling | i fucked up my server REALLY bad |
| 04:08.38 | furrywolf | !irritate starscalling |
| 04:08.39 | dpkg | starscalling: Y iz debain so old? where cn I get w4arez 4 debina lol ????? |
| 04:08.49 | starscalling | i accedentally uninstalled perl-base |
| 04:08.52 | shift | So... Can someone enlighten me as to how well software RAID 5, SATA disks, and hot-swapability works in debian? |
| 04:08.53 | fazer | shingouz_: sure |
| 04:08.58 | starscalling | and apparently that kills EVERYTHING almost |
| 04:09.04 | shingouz_ | fazer: Yes but modified for Debian and made to work with alsa |
| 04:09.07 | simonrvn | !pal starscalling |
| 04:09.11 | starscalling | :P |
| 04:09.14 | fazer | shingouz_: oh... |
| 04:09.15 | peterS | shift: hotswapping SATA is not something Linux supports in any incarnation, at this time. at least not smoothly |
| 04:09.29 | fazer | I thought dpkg was a bot.. |
| 04:09.37 | simonrvn | even my non hotswappable scsi handles it better |
| 04:09.38 | shingouz_ | fazer: You are almost the first one I have seen here who actually checks out the support site on his own. Excellent |
| 04:09.39 | tabris|away | fazer: it is. |
| 04:09.44 | fazer | wow, nice bot |
| 04:10.00 | shift | peterS - I don't suppose PATA swapping's easier, eh? |
| 04:10.04 | simonrvn | it and others in here are turning complete |
| 04:10.06 | fazer | shingouz_: thought I might take some work off your shoulders ;) |
| 04:10.08 | starscalling | !seen siliconviper |
| 04:10.09 | dpkg | siliconviper <~siliconvi@d205-250-111-241.bchsia.telus.net> was last seen on IRC in channel #debian, 2d 16h 44m 19s ago, saying: 'G5 + Debian == sex.'. |
| 04:10.09 | simonrvn | turing* |
| 04:10.10 | peterS | shift: ha. you guessed right. |
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| 04:10.24 | starscalling | hmm |
| 04:10.33 | sparr_ | I am probably missing something fundamental here... Why would my /usr/include/math.h not have trig functions in it? |
| 04:10.34 | shingouz_ | fazer: You think too! It is Sunday, what are you doing here ;) |
| 04:10.42 | simonrvn | shingouz_: it *does* happen =) |
| 04:10.45 | shingouz_ | !tell fazer about permasunday |
| 04:10.53 | starscalling | so what im trying to do on the server that i broke is download the cd images and mount them and see if i cant reinstall the parts that are missing........ |
| 04:11.01 | starscalling | does anyone actually think that could work? |
| 04:11.01 | furrywolf | sparr: are you compiling with -lm? |
| 04:11.07 | shingouz_ | fazer: ;) |
| 04:11.08 | fazer | shingouz_: hehe, and its Mother's Day as well. What are you getting for your mom? |
| 04:11.11 | simonrvn | fazer: wow, thanks. i wish more newbies were like you |
| 04:11.30 | shingouz_ | fazer: Prolly some dinner |
| 04:11.47 | fazer | shingouz_: ah, awesome |
| 04:11.47 | jetdotnet | THANK GOD FOR MOMS! |
| 04:11.47 | peterS | sparr_: what evidence do you have that it does not? |
| 04:11.59 | shingouz_ | jetdotnet: Amen on that :D |
| 04:12.00 | simonrvn | er? |
| 04:12.04 | fazer | simonrvn: haha, or you can wish that no such as a newbie ever existed =) |
| 04:12.12 | sparr_ | peterS: none. thanks :) |
| 04:12.14 | fazer | milf! |
| 04:12.16 | simonrvn | if it weren't for moms, we wouldn't be here |
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| 04:12.25 | furrywolf | milf? |
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| 04:12.33 | jetdotnet | old women pron |
| 04:12.35 | jetdotnet | milf |
| 04:12.35 | Clint0006 | ho |
| 04:12.35 | shift | peterS - I don't suppose you know what the hangup is with SATA hotswap in linux, do you? |
| 04:12.40 | simonrvn | fazer: nah, we were all newbies at one point, and will be such in the future |
| 04:12.42 | fazer | Sorry to bring it off topic ;) |
| 04:12.42 | jetdotnet | mature. something somethng |
| 04:12.44 | Fo | !kill fazer |
| 04:12.53 | shingouz_ | !lart fo |
| 04:13.00 | fazer | !love Fo |
| 04:13.00 | simonrvn | @lart Fo |
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| 04:13.11 | peterS | shift: http://linux.yyz.us/sata/software-status.html |
| 04:13.18 | shift | peterS - Thanks. |
| 04:13.27 | shingouz_ | Beavers tail? I do not wanna know |
| 04:13.34 | fazer | simonrvn: hehe yeah, the more you learn, then more you realize how much you don't know |
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| 04:13.41 | fazer | I think that's a quote from someone. |
| 04:13.42 | simonrvn | fazer: you got it |
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| 04:14.03 | shingouz_ | Hear hear, a n00b with a brain! :) |
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| 04:14.20 | fazer | Yay! |
| 04:14.34 | fazer | I like how everyone here loves me =] |
| 04:14.39 | furrywolf | lol |
| 04:14.44 | furrywolf | I don't know who you are or what you did. :P |
| 04:14.49 | simonrvn | using it anyway. everyone has a brain |
| 04:15.05 | furrywolf | simonrvn: even christians? |
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| 04:15.07 | shingouz_ | furrywolf: He actually rtfm'ed on his own. Several time already |
| 04:15.10 | Clint0006 | <PROTECTED> |
| 04:15.13 | Clint0006 | <PROTECTED> |
| 04:15.26 | furrywolf | shingouz: bah. I always try rtfming before asking. :P |
| 04:15.27 | peterS | Clint0006: yeah, I agree |
| 04:15.34 | simonrvn | furrywolf: a case where the fundies don't use them |
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| 04:16.49 | fazer | Hmmm, I belive I am using cs4236 and not cs4232 |
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| 04:17.03 | shingouz_ | fazer: The Debian version of that script is a lot different, different modules are used with alsa, the syntax is a bit different but the basics arte there |
| 04:17.28 | starscalling | furrywolf, its not that christians dont have brains |
| 04:17.37 | fazer | shingouz_: oh, i see. Where can I find this Debian script for alsa? |
| 04:17.42 | starscalling | its just that they use them to deny what is right in front of them from what i can see |
| 04:17.42 | shingouz_ | fazer: Same thing but if you have a cs**** and not a snd-cs**** loaded you are running oss. Which sucks |
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| 04:17.48 | shingouz_ | fazer: From me |
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| 04:18.25 | fazer | shingouz_: oh, I see. do you have a how-to written or something? |
| 04:19.51 | shingouz_ | fazer: No, I never bothered. Looks like I sould write one though, I have heard the same question more than one time already. For the time being I could boot up my Thinkpad and shoot the script off to you. I'd rather do it later tonight as I have been thinking about some sleep lately |
| 04:20.19 | shingouz_ | fazer: I have to tell you my script is *real* fugly butit works |
| 04:21.04 | fazer | shingouz_: ah, it doesn't matter. Will be another learning experience. I suggest you get some sleep, I can still make do with my current sound. |
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| 04:22.34 | shingouz_ | fazer: Ok. You might want to consider installing Debian though, in the long run it is a lot easier to configure. Basically just copy the XF86Config somewhere as a just in case measure |
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| 04:23.22 | lukestripe | hello concept10 |
| 04:23.32 | starscalling | hmm |
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| 04:23.51 | concept10 | lukestrupe: uhh...helo |
| 04:24.01 | starscalling | so does anyone know if that would work? mounting the cd images from my release of debian to try to rescue the install? |
| 04:24.02 | fazer | shingouz_: ooh, yeah, I think had to get a driver from some place (video driver) |
| 04:24.25 | lukestripe | what's up? |
| 04:24.32 | starscalling | keeping in mind that its a remote system? what cha think furrywolf |
| 04:24.42 | shingouz_ | fazer: IIRC XFree86 4.x has it already. Neomagic if I am not too much mistaken |
| 04:24.48 | fazer | shingouz_: basicaly replace the Xorg one with the XFree86 and that fixed a lot of the problems I had with video |
| 04:24.57 | fazer | yes, its Neomagic |
| 04:25.09 | shingouz_ | fazer: Debian comes with XFree86 |
| 04:25.23 | fazer | shingouz_: oh, i see... |
| 04:25.58 | shingouz_ | fazer: It can even do xv for mplayer, you can actually scale the divx you play. Very neat. |
| 04:26.05 | fazer | shingouz_: btw, do you know how I can tigten my LCD ? I think the hinges are really loose. My LCD just flops sometimes. Its not as tight as it used to be. |
| 04:26.15 | starscalling | fazer, ? shingouz ? lukestripe ? any opinions there? |
| 04:26.34 | fazer | starscalling: if what would work? |
| 04:26.41 | starscalling | so does anyone know if that would work? mounting the cd images from my release of debian to try to rescue the install? |
| 04:26.47 | starscalling | what i did |
| 04:26.51 | starscalling | was delete perl-base |
| 04:27.03 | starscalling | so there is no wget or apt-get to rebuild everything |
| 04:27.13 | shingouz_ | fazer: That is not too simple, get the HMM from IBM and remove the screen. The hinges should be fixable somehow. I havent tried it on any TP600 so far but I believe it has to be doable |
| 04:27.15 | starscalling | and its a remote server that i have zero physical access to |
| 04:27.19 | lukestripe | starscalling have you tried smartboot? |
| 04:27.31 | starscalling | what is that luke? |
| 04:27.40 | shingouz_ | !nicktab |
| 04:27.40 | dpkg | Hitting tab on a partially typed word in your IRC-client, when referencing a nickname, will increase typing productivity by miles. For example, to address exampleUser, type exam<TAB> and your IRC client will fill in the rest. Keep hitting tab if the letters you typed match more than one nick until you get the right one. |
| 04:27.51 | fazer | shingouz_: ah yeah, gotta read the HMM. Btw, does Debian's Gnome come with a PDF viewer and OpenOffice installed? |
| 04:28.10 | fazer | although I believe that Openoffice is garbage, nice to see how Ubuntu comes with a lot of packages pre-installed |
| 04:28.11 | shingouz_ | fazer: You can install them even if you do not install Gnome |
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| 04:28.25 | starscalling | lukestripe, ive never heard of smartboot >< so i dont know if i have it even in there |
| 04:28.37 | starscalling | the servers are running sarge/progeny |
| 04:28.41 | fazer | shingouz_: what WM do you think is the best for this machine? Gnome or Xfce? |
| 04:28.48 | shingouz_ | fazer: What Ubuntu has, Debian has. What Debian has is not necessarily on Ubuntu on the other hand |
| 04:29.03 | lukestripe | starscalling it boots various devices like hard drive, cd, etc. As long as the Hard drive has some kind of boot loader on the individual partition, it should work (dunno if it applies to your situation) |
| 04:29.05 | shingouz_ | fazer: I have a P2-300 and I use xfce |
| 04:29.10 | fazer | shingouz_: ah yeah, I also heard that Ubuntu can use Debian packages but not vice versa? |
| 04:29.13 | furrywolf | fazer: I don't mind openoffice.... infinitely better than ms office, for sure. |
| 04:29.21 | fazer | shingouz_: w00t, same here. I have a 366 though =/ |
| 04:29.38 | fazer | furrywolf: pff, no. not on windows atleast. MS Office still is way better on Windows |
| 04:29.41 | starscalling | oh ok, i do have mount |
| 04:29.54 | simonrvn | sure hope so... |
| 04:29.54 | shingouz_ | fazer: I guess Debian could use Ubuntu packages but I would not like to try them. Too many chances to fsck up |
| 04:30.05 | fazer | shingouz_: ah, indeed. |
| 04:30.13 | starscalling | lukestripe, how do i test if i have smartboot on it? |
| 04:30.25 | starscalling | just do smartboot -help? |
| 04:30.27 | atrus | fazer: some stuff works one way, or the other, or both. i'm using ubuntu's x.org packages under debian sid right now. |
| 04:30.29 | lukestripe | starscalling you dont. |
| 04:30.47 | starscalling | lukestripe, so all i can do is get the images and hope eh |
| 04:30.47 | lukestripe | starscalling http://btmgr.webframe.org |
| 04:30.49 | fazer | atrus: oh, I see. What's the latest stable release for Debian |
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| 04:31.13 | fazer | what was dpkg written in? |
| 04:31.20 | shingouz_ | fazer: You do *not* want to run Sid as a noob. Go with Sarge and you are all set |
| 04:31.20 | simonrvn | c, perl |
| 04:31.25 | fazer | Oh |
| 04:31.30 | simonrvn | fazer: the bot? |
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| 04:31.36 | simonrvn | or the app? |
| 04:31.39 | fazer | simonrvn: yeah...the bot |
| 04:31.40 | atrus | fazer: woody. but it's pretty old, and sarge is frozen, and due to release pretty soon, so unless you need super-super-super reliability, go with sarge |
| 04:31.42 | simonrvn | perl |
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| 04:32.06 | fazer | shingouz_: hmmm, interesting. Which one do you think I should install? |
| 04:32.08 | shingouz_ | atrus: Superstable on a laptop? That is like suspenders, belt and superglue |
| 04:32.16 | shingouz_ | fazer: Sarge |
| 04:32.25 | fazer | shingouz_: ah, cool. |
| 04:32.27 | lukestripe | starscalling does that look like it would help? |
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| 04:32.39 | quittt | how do I load Linux kernel under Windows XP? |
| 04:32.48 | lukestripe | colinux |
| 04:32.50 | simonrvn | what? |
| 04:33.01 | quittt | I want to replace grub |
| 04:33.07 | quittt | I installed WinXP after Debian |
| 04:33.10 | quittt | I want to restore it |
| 04:33.17 | lukestripe | urgh |
| 04:33.18 | starscalling | lukestripe, im really not sure.. |
| 04:33.21 | lukestripe | that sucks |
| 04:33.33 | atrus | hmm... does loadlin work under xp? |
| 04:33.35 | lukestripe | starscalling yeah, dunno |
| 04:33.59 | starscalling | lukestripe, looks like an awesome proggie though XD |
| 04:34.07 | Fo | quittt : looks like you need some progz which may read linux data format in windowz |
| 04:34.28 | simonrvn | i wonder what would happen if you loaded a linux kernel in mock os x... ;p |
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| 04:34.50 | cdc | I am using Sarge i want to install KDE 3.4 how do i do that / |
| 04:34.52 | lukestripe | starscalling yeah, it works great. I used it to install on an old comapq that would only boot from the hard drive (strange workaround). Somehow it worked. |
| 04:35.00 | shingouz_ | simonrvn: You would get a VAX? |
| 04:35.22 | simonrvn | shingouz_: no, you'd get a " " |
| 04:35.24 | quittt | I need something like loadlin but compatible with XP |
| 04:35.28 | simonrvn | cdc: /topic |
| 04:35.33 | shingouz_ | simonrvn: :) |
| 04:35.41 | simonrvn | shingouz_: ;) |
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| 04:36.07 | simonrvn | considering mock os x is a bsd... |
| 04:36.13 | atrus | quittt: you might need to boot a rescue disk and install grub while running linux |
| 04:36.25 | cdc | simonrvn, which means i cannot install KDE 3.4 at all is it? or is there any other way out? |
| 04:36.32 | shingouz_ | quittt: What you need is a linux boot floppy or cd you can use to boot into linux |
| 04:36.34 | quittt | atrus that's what I wanna to do |
| 04:36.42 | simonrvn | there's no way out if there's no way in in the first place |
| 04:36.47 | quittt | shingouz where I get that Linux boot floppy?? |
| 04:36.50 | quittt | I cant find it!! |
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| 04:37.04 | simonrvn | !d-i quittt |
| 04:37.04 | dpkg | quittt, you want to go to http://www.debian.org/devel/debian-installer/ - for your own good, and everyone else's. |
| 04:37.16 | shingouz_ | Can I say it? Please can i say it? fgi? |
| 04:37.17 | quittt | work? |
| 04:37.23 | simonrvn | sure |
| 04:37.38 | simonrvn | go ahead ;) |
| 04:37.43 | lukestripe | quittt yeah, good luck. Seems like XP is never the same after erasing its boot loader. I think I used something like boot magic once but XP acted funny after that. I'd wipe my hard drive. (of course that's my solution for everything), heh |
| 04:37.44 | quittt | get how many floppies? |
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| 04:38.16 | simonrvn | lukestripe: that's the winbloze solution... |
| 04:38.37 | quittt | simonrvn how many floppies? |
| 04:38.44 | shingouz_ | quittt: Three or four, maybe one is enough, I havent had to do that in years |
| 04:38.49 | lukestripe | simonrvn heh, so true |
| 04:38.50 | simonrvn | 16 000 |
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| 04:38.51 | quittt | one isnt enought |
| 04:38.57 | shingouz_ | !fgi |
| 04:38.57 | dpkg | i guess fgi is http://www.fuckinggoogleit.com/, and see http://www.moule.org/images/bart.jpg |
| 04:39.05 | lukestripe | lol |
| 04:39.41 | simonrvn | 3, for d-i |
| 04:39.46 | simonrvn | 4 if you want |
| 04:40.08 | fazer | what IRC client do you guys use? |
| 04:40.18 | fazer | I dislike xchat since it uses a lot of resources, currently use irssi |
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| 04:40.31 | Fo | fazer : bitchX |
| 04:40.38 | simonrvn | irssi is my favourite, using xchat atm |
| 04:40.41 | lukestripe | bitchx |
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| 04:40.47 | fazer | bitchx = insecure |
| 04:40.56 | shingouz_ | ircii ;) |
| 04:41.12 | fazer | shingouz_: never heard of it, same as irssi? |
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| 04:41.23 | simonrvn | irssi's based on it, IIRC |
| 04:41.24 | shingouz_ | fazer: Nope but still CLI |
| 04:41.33 | fazer | shingouz_: oh |
| 04:42.42 | afabian | ircII didn't have the greatest security history in it's day, did it? |
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| 04:43.14 | gartt | What's wrong with cli? |
| 04:43.19 | Zenethian | Anyone use jed as an editor? :) |
| 04:43.21 | gartt | Irssi is awesome |
| 04:43.35 | lukestripe | has anyone used any group ware? Which one is the easiest to install on Debian? |
| 04:43.49 | simonrvn | moot question |
| 04:43.56 | lukestripe | rats |
| 04:44.01 | simonrvn | they're all easy to install |
| 04:44.04 | tabris|away | one wonders who told you that irssi is based on ircii. BitchX is. irssi, to my knowledge, is NOT based on ircII |
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| 04:44.09 | Zenethian | configuration is the bugger. |
| 04:44.10 | Zenethian | hehe |
| 04:44.24 | lukestripe | heh, so true |
| 04:44.31 | Zenethian | stupid jed |
| 04:44.31 | afabian | I'm pretty sure irssi is not based on ircII. And by pretty sure, I mean I wish I could bet a large amount of money on it. |
| 04:44.33 | toresbe | hehe, aye |
| 04:44.41 | Zenethian | if I had the time or inclination to learn another editor, I would. |
| 04:44.46 | Zenethian | but for now, I like jed. |
| 04:44.51 | Zenethian | but its configuration is a poophole. |
| 04:44.58 | toresbe | Hmmm. I do however really want to set up my own wee little DNS server |
| 04:45.17 | tabris|away | toresbe: not hard. just need to learn BIND syntax. which isn't hard either. |
| 04:45.23 | simonrvn | tabris|away: excuuuuse me. i did say "IIRC". ffs... |
| 04:45.25 | afabian | toresbe, I've messed with djbdns a little. Worth looking into. |
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| 04:46.18 | afabian | I have it doing local caching on my LAN. It's broken into components... the part that does authoritative serving is separate from the caching part, etc. |
| 04:46.34 | toresbe | afabian: I *do* want to do The Real Thing, though :) |
| 04:46.41 | afabian | Too bad it doesn't have a license. |
| 04:46.47 | toresbe | BIND is something I should learn from the start. :) |
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| 04:47.33 | abrocadabro | is there a program that tells you which port is being used by which program? |
| 04:47.34 | toresbe | I want to make a program that churns out the appropriate configure files from a database |
| 04:47.41 | afabian | Read djb's pages. The man is serious about DNS. I'm thinking of moving the servers at work to djbdns. |
| 04:47.41 | toresbe | that would be fun... |
| 04:47.50 | Xenguy | Zenethian: you can run from Vim, but you can't hide ;-) |
| 04:47.53 | starscalling | what is a good program to measure how much bandwidth you have used to date? |
| 04:47.54 | toresbe | who is djb again? |
| 04:47.55 | afabian | Doesn't have a license, though.. heh. |
| 04:48.03 | simonrvn | daniel bernstein |
| 04:48.06 | afabian | Dan J Bernstein. The author. He has... a reputation. heh. |
| 04:48.12 | toresbe | I'm really tired, but I've heard the name... |
| 04:48.18 | starscalling | to monitor and keep track, and one that would also give stats on how fast your pumping at any given moment would also be nice |
| 04:48.20 | toresbe | a rep of what? :)) |
| 04:48.30 | toresbe | bah, also my typing sucks |
| 04:48.39 | Xenguy | toresbe: just avoid him and his s/w altogether =) |
| 04:48.43 | toresbe | starscalling: ifconfig :) |
| 04:48.50 | starscalling | no |
| 04:48.54 | toresbe | abrocadabro: yes |
| 04:48.56 | Fo | lukestripe : tutos.org ( but this is really big groupware ) or moregroupware or groupoffice |
| 04:49.00 | starscalling | that one fucking sucks my left fucking nut toresbe |
| 04:49.05 | starscalling | that dam thing reset on me |
| 04:49.09 | toresbe | abrocadabro: netstat? |
| 04:49.12 | afabian | A little eccentric and iconoclastic. He believes software can be 'perfect'... simple, free of security holes, etc. And his software has a good reputation in that regard. |
| 04:49.22 | toresbe | hmm. |
| 04:49.29 | simonrvn | but the licencing sucks |
| 04:49.48 | starscalling | yeah it doesnt work for me |
| 04:49.56 | toresbe | starscalling: huh? |
| 04:50.01 | starscalling | ive used say 120GB and its saying 3GB toresbe |
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| 04:50.09 | starscalling | its just no good for some reason |
| 04:50.10 | shingouz_ | What is wrong with the licensing then? |
| 04:50.12 | toresbe | starscalling: on what interface? |
| 04:50.21 | starscalling | sarge/progeny |
| 04:50.25 | simonrvn | and contrary to some popular belief, he does respect the rfcs |
| 04:50.38 | simonrvn | (but see his site on that issue....) |
| 04:50.43 | abrocadabro | toresbe: what argument do you pass to it? mine only tells me those files in my /tmp folder, which are generated by other programs, but I need to know which other programs they are |
| 04:50.47 | afabian | He doesn't give you a license. To quote him, 'if you think you need a license, you've been bamboozled by Microsoft.' Then he enumerates what he believes your rights are under copyright law. |
| 04:50.49 | starscalling | sarge/progeny toresbe |
| 04:51.13 | lukestripe | Fo thanks I just need calendar sharing and a palm sync so I want easy, heh. |
| 04:51.15 | toresbe | abrocadabro: *shrug* was a guess |
| 04:51.24 | simonrvn | afabian: that's called a licence, dear |
| 04:51.25 | karsten | s/mial/mail/ |
| 04:51.27 | shingouz_ | afabian: I think I see |
| 04:51.28 | toresbe | starscalling: that's not an interface... |
| 04:51.29 | afabian | karsten, djbdns |
| 04:51.31 | Fo | lukestripe : so look at groupoffice |
| 04:51.34 | karsten | afabian: Ah. |
| 04:51.49 | lukestripe | Fo cool |
| 04:51.52 | karsten | afabian: We praise DJB for his crypto work and leave the rest in peace. |
| 04:51.56 | abrocadabro | starscalling: webmin has a bandwidth module you might have a look |
| 04:51.57 | afabian | heh. |
| 04:51.59 | starscalling | what do you mean then |
| 04:52.01 | simonrvn | verbal semantics notwithstanding |
| 04:52.12 | starscalling | yeah i tried to do webmin and i get some perl update errors |
| 04:52.19 | karsten | lukestripe: Have you scoped out egroupware? |
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| 04:52.20 | starscalling | that is how i fucked the first server up abrocadabro |
| 04:52.31 | starscalling | there is no fucking way im gonna mess with that thing again for a while |
| 04:52.33 | simonrvn | please don't use webmin |
| 04:52.42 | karsten | lukestripe: ...I got TUTOS largely set up, egroupware looks a bit more appealing. |
| 04:52.46 | starscalling | something other than webmin other than mrtg other than ifconfig |
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| 04:52.53 | starscalling | what else is there? |
| 04:52.53 | abrocadabro | simonrvn: why not? |
| 04:53.28 | lukestripe | karsten yeah, egroupware looks nice --a bit more features than groupware |
| 04:53.30 | simonrvn | like starscalling said, it breaks shit. insecure - http process having acess to root-only files == trouble. |
| 04:53.38 | simonrvn | access* |
| 04:53.42 | afabian | webmin is a funny piece of software. One of those "if you can use it effectively, you realize it's an effective to use it." |
| 04:53.47 | karsten | lukestripe: Can't say I've got it set up properly though. |
| 04:53.59 | abrocadabro | starscalling: webmin's bandwidth puts a lot of stress on syslogs, you can end up getting gigas of logs in quite little period |
| 04:53.59 | afabian | an = not |
| 04:54.06 | lukestripe | karsten heh, sounds familiar |
| 04:54.11 | starscalling | again |
| 04:54.19 | starscalling | im NOT FUCKING WITH WEBMIN AGAIN |
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| 04:54.28 | starscalling | that is the proggie that made me delete perl-base |
| 04:54.29 | simonrvn | starscalling: good call |
| 04:54.32 | Fo | starscalling : :) |
| 04:54.34 | starscalling | and fucked up my first server |
| 04:54.38 | karsten | lukestripe: Not as much a PITA as Java.... Just... Different. |
| 04:54.41 | starscalling | so nooooooooooooooooooooooooo |
| 04:54.45 | starscalling | something else perhaps? |
| 04:54.47 | Fo | bahahah |
| 04:54.57 | afabian | OpenSSH = CLImin > webmin |
| 04:55.00 | Fo | starscalling : vhcs ? |
| 04:55.05 | simonrvn | afabian: aye |
| 04:55.18 | abrocadabro | starscalling: nload |
| 04:55.36 | abrocadabro | starscalling: a realtime measure |
| 04:55.41 | karsten | afabian: CLImin? |
| 04:55.51 | karsten | afabian: as in CLImini vs. webmin? |
| 04:55.56 | abrocadabro | starscalling: or iptraf |
| 04:55.56 | karsten | s/mini/min/ |
| 04:55.59 | simonrvn | karsten: cli admin |
| 04:56.03 | afabian | karsten, yeah, it's a joke. |
| 04:56.04 | karsten | simonrvn: Dig. |
| 04:56.08 | simonrvn | as in, normal state of affairs |
| 04:56.12 | Fo | ini mini maini mo |
| 04:56.14 | karsten | afabian: So am I. Doesn't mean I get it. |
| 04:56.29 | starscalling | ok lets see here |
| 04:56.30 | karsten | Fo: Catch OS X.3 by the toe... |
| 04:56.40 | starscalling | abrocadabro, those both track how much total? |
| 04:56.52 | starscalling | and how fast at a given time? |
| 04:57.00 | afabian | web min.. administer through the web. climin.. administer with a command-line interface.. except, of course, there is no program called 'climin'. (these things are never funny when explained.) |
| 04:57.05 | simonrvn | karsten: 10.4 ;p |
| 04:57.11 | Fo | karsten : wha ? sorry, but it's seems to be kinda early in my country |
| 04:57.15 | karsten | simonrvn: Same diff. |
| 04:57.17 | simonrvn | afabian: i got it ;) |
| 04:57.27 | simonrvn | karsten: i know =) |
| 04:57.28 | abrocadabro | starscalling : check the argument list, it's a simple program |
| 04:57.29 | karsten | Fo: OS X v4 == Tiger. |
| 04:57.47 | jetdotnet | !webmin |
| 04:57.47 | dpkg | well, webmin is a lame web-based interface for unsafe system administration for Unix. Using any browser that supports tables and forms, you can setup user accounts, internet services, DNS, file sharing and so on. Check it out at http://www.webmin.com/webmin/ but, remember, dondelelcaro *hates* webmin. don't use it!, or "i'd rather sit on the floor shoving table knives into live electrical outlets than run webmin on an exposed server." g) |
| 04:58.08 | afabian | hah. |
| 04:58.16 | Zenethian | love it. |
| 04:58.22 | karsten | No. No arguments at all. |
| 04:58.29 | karsten | It's going to have massive land wars in Asia. |
| 04:58.33 | simonrvn | karsten: so you can always win with it? ;p |
| 04:58.37 | afabian | karsten, "true". |
| 04:58.43 | Zenethian | Xenguy: eww. vim. I'd rather run emacs. I hate line editors. :> |
| 04:58.53 | karsten | afabian: NOW! In exciting GUI!! |
| 04:59.01 | afabian | heh. |
| 04:59.01 | abrocadabro | starscalling: since it's realtime, you can pipe the output to a file than graph it or whatever, it has a simple graph function on its own |
| 04:59.11 | starscalling | oi |
| 04:59.12 | afabian | actually... true has '--help'. go figure. |
| 04:59.14 | karsten | afabian: You *have* seen the 'true' GUI, no? |
| 04:59.15 | starscalling | i dont need a graph |
| 04:59.18 | starscalling | just a total used |
| 04:59.31 | karsten | afabian: Not mine. |
| 04:59.34 | starscalling | a simple table would be fine |
| 04:59.43 | starscalling | say that said how much used in the last hour |
| 04:59.46 | abrocadabro | starscalling: can't you get the prog right now? just apt-get |
| 04:59.50 | karsten | afabian: I've also got helpless falsehood. |
| 04:59.51 | starscalling | then in the last since restart |
| 04:59.59 | starscalling | im gonna check it out yeah |
| 05:00.01 | Xenguy | Zenethian: vim pwnz j00 :P But hey, emacs is a good choice if yer an uber-coder type |
| 05:00.06 | afabian | If you mean Mac OS X, I've barely seen it. I'd like to play with it, but not enough to buy a machine for it. |
| 05:00.22 | starscalling | which one though abrocadabro ? |
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| 05:00.52 | simonrvn | afabian: i would wipe the drive of it if i got a box with it installed |
| 05:01.14 | simonrvn | linux runs faster... |
| 05:01.19 | lukestripe | heh, those mac users and their snooty superiority because I can't use their operating system without buying a thousand dollar computer... |
| 05:01.20 | abrocadabro | starscalling: apt-get install nload, I only had one to choose |
| 05:01.21 | Xenguy | afabian: it's not free, therefore it sux ;-) |
| 05:01.30 | afabian | Real, free software gives me a nice, clean feeling. I'd feel dirty developing with proprietary widget sets and such. |
| 05:01.37 | starscalling | oh i thought you meant iptraf lol |
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| 05:02.07 | xoz | lukestripe: imac is as cheap as other notebooks. have you checked the price lately? |
| 05:02.16 | simonrvn | i'm working up the courage to go tweaking my mail config... |
| 05:02.22 | simonrvn | or a mac mini... |
| 05:02.34 | shingouz_ | xoz: It still only has one button on the mouse |
| 05:02.56 | xoz | shingouz_: you can use your 3-button mice and it works |
| 05:02.59 | simonrvn | "if it ain't broke, don't fix it", "but it needs to work differently", so i'm loathe to tweak it |
| 05:03.17 | shingouz_ | xoz: But having a separate mouse on a laptop kinda defeats the purpose |
| 05:03.21 | starscalling | abrocadabro, will i be able to see this graph from putty? |
| 05:03.30 | starscalling | this is a remote server i am installing it on |
| 05:03.33 | simonrvn | shingouz_: bs. i'm typing from an old mac clone here, and have 3 buttons on my mouse |
| 05:03.44 | lukestripe | xoz yeah, macs are awesome, I just don't have the kind of dough to buy a mac just to try out. |
| 05:03.45 | abrocadabro | starscalling: I think so, it's text |
| 05:03.48 | xoz | shingouz_: im using mouse gestures. |
| 05:03.51 | shingouz_ | simonrvn: ok :) |
| 05:03.55 | simonrvn | :) |
| 05:04.07 | shingouz_ | xoz: I am jsut using gestures ;) |
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| 05:04.32 | simonrvn | just because mock os x is lame, and only has use for 1 button, doesn't mean you can't stick a 3 button one on ;) |
| 05:04.52 | gartt | I never liked the mac 1 button |
| 05:05.01 | sussudio | !macsmite simonrvn |
| 05:05.04 | shingouz_ | simonrvn: ADB? USB? Either? |
| 05:05.11 | simonrvn | adb atm |
| 05:05.17 | xoz | lukestripe: you can install debian and run mac os inside debian using mac-on-linux. mac mini is about $500. |
| 05:05.28 | gartt | I always thought the layout was kinda messy too, but I'd rather use mac than windows, if just because it has a shell |
| 05:05.43 | simonrvn | didn't used to have a shell... |
| 05:05.50 | simonrvn | *that* sucks |
| 05:06.14 | simonrvn | "login shell, don't leave ~/ without it" |
| 05:06.22 | gartt | :P |
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| 05:06.42 | Fo | hmm, dpkg seems to have pretty large base of msg's |
| 05:06.48 | xoz | i would rather buy mac. at least, OS X is much better than XP. better in security and behaves similar to bsd and you can run GNU packages. |
| 05:07.03 | afabian | The Windows NT family's cmd.exe and friends have more advanced scripting capabilities than the command interpreters of the DOS days. But it's still got a kind of rough feel.. it's very kludgy. |
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| 05:07.18 | nagual | now THAT is mean. stealing a mans one mousebutton :/ |
| 05:07.20 | simonrvn | yeh. i'd still wipe it off though. but i'd keep the cd for rescue - HIC |
| 05:07.25 | simonrvn | s/H/J/ |
| 05:07.50 | starscalling | ooooooooooooooo |
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| 05:08.09 | starscalling | abrocadabro, kinda kewl!!!!! |
| 05:08.29 | afabian | he could switch to ratpoison. |
| 05:08.34 | abrocadabro | starscalling: glad you like it |
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| 05:08.44 | darkcmd | ratpoison?! |
| 05:08.48 | starscalling | hmm |
| 05:08.53 | jetscreamer | is find supposed to run on boot/gnome startup every time? |
| 05:08.55 | starscalling | now to screen it <3 |
| 05:08.59 | Fo | does anybody know how large is dpkg's dbase ? |
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| 05:09.04 | cg0def | does anyone know how to get 3d working with ATI's bin drivers? |
| 05:09.11 | jetscreamer | 2.4 megs? |
| 05:09.18 | jetscreamer | zipped |
| 05:09.27 | tracer | Under the routing table |
| 05:09.34 | cg0def | I can't seem to get xserv to use anything but mesa :( |
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| 05:10.40 | tracer | Under the routing table (as diplayed by route) what does 'default' mean under destination? |
| 05:10.54 | sussudio | gee, what would default mean. |
| 05:11.02 | tracer | ... |
| 05:11.07 | Fo | :D |
| 05:11.08 | sussudio | !dict default |
| 05:11.08 | tracer | desination default? |
| 05:11.10 | dpkg | Dictionary 'default' (3 of 16): . Default \De*fault"\, v. t. 1. To fail to perform or pay; to be guilty of neglect of; to omit; as, to default a dividend. ;; 2. (Law) To call a defendant or other party whose duty it is to be present in court, and make entry of his default, if he fails to appear; to enter a default against. ;; 2. Fault; offense; ill deed; wrong act; failure in virtue or wisdom.. |
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| 05:11.22 | afabian | If no other routes match, the default route is used. |
| 05:11.33 | starscalling | well abrocadabro ill leave it running for a few hours and see if it works XD |
| 05:11.52 | tracer | thanks |
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| 05:12.36 | sussudio | tracer: man route, it's clearly there. |
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| 05:12.55 | Simpleton | Hey again |
| 05:13.18 | Boohbah | !dict FreeBSD |
| 05:13.18 | geoffrian | If you get banned from a chat room how long until you are banned no longer??????? |
| 05:13.21 | dpkg | Dictionary 'FreeBSD' (1 of 7): Some of FreeBSD's features are: preemptive multitasking with dynamic priority adjustment to ensure smooth and fair sharing of the computer between applications and users. Multiuser access - peripherals such as printers and tape drives can be shared between all users. Complete TCP/IP networking including SLIP, PPP, NFS and NIS. Memory protection, demand-paged virtual memory with a merged VM/buffer cache ... |
| 05:13.24 | sussudio | !room |
| 05:13.25 | dpkg | CHANNEL! |
| 05:13.43 | jetscreamer | there are no rooms |
| 05:13.49 | colk | geoffrian, until hell freezes over |
| 05:13.53 | jetscreamer | !database |
| 05:13.53 | dpkg | extra, extra, read all about it, database is An ordered set of data. |
| 05:14.02 | jetscreamer | !what are you |
| 05:14.02 | dpkg | I am a blootbot. For more info see <blootbot> |
| 05:14.03 | geoffrian | Seriously, I'm curious. |
| 05:14.03 | shingouz_ | geoffrian: That depends on what you have done but it depends on the ops even more, maybe they just do not like you and keep you out fo there forever |
| 05:14.12 | tracer | Can you use route to edit a route, or do you have to delete and remake it? |
| 05:14.23 | geoffrian | Thats what I needed to know. |
| 05:14.26 | Boohbah | geoffrian Welp, its been fun bulling around with you chap. But I'm off to bed. Its mighty late and the misses is wait for her little pickle tickle. Adios |
| 05:14.30 | Simpleton | Is it possible to adjust what volume channel the keyboard shortcut controls? I tried googling this and I could not figure out how to do it. I need to switch the keyboard shortcuts from controlling whatever they are doing now to PCM because currently it only effects my regular speakers and ignores the subwoofer |
| 05:14.34 | starscalling | >:P |
| 05:14.47 | afabian | geoffrian, until someone unbans you, the channel is emptied, or so many bans are placed that old ones start disappearing. could be indefinitely if some bot is enforcing it. |
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| 05:14.50 | ryman| | I'm tryingto install Debian. its asking choose software to install . which key do I press to mark the software from the list ? |
| 05:14.51 | abrocadabro | tracer: what exactly do you intend to do? |
| 05:14.56 | shingouz_ | ./mode #debian +b geoffrian*!*@* ;) |
| 05:15.12 | jetscreamer | he means how do you choose in aptitude |
| 05:15.15 | jetscreamer | i guess |
| 05:15.23 | jetscreamer | it's + in dselect |
| 05:15.29 | tracer | abrocadabro: change my default route to see if i can route it throug a virtual ip that i set up for no particular reason |
| 05:15.43 | jetscreamer | ryman|: sarge or woody install |
| 05:15.51 | abrocadabro | tracer: route add default gw IP |
| 05:16.12 | tracer | abrocadabro: it will overwrite it? |
| 05:16.16 | abrocadabro | tracer: you might need to del you old one with "route del default gw IP |
| 05:16.21 | tracer | aaah |
| 05:16.28 | ryman| | jetscreamer sarge |
| 05:16.38 | jetscreamer | ok it's aptitude |
| 05:16.58 | afabian | I'm not too sure what deleting your default route will do if you're actually using your Internet connection.. heh. |
| 05:17.06 | tracer | yeah |
| 05:17.10 | ryman| | its asking to me choose software to install , how do I mark the one I want ? |
| 05:17.11 | tracer | i may leave you very soon |
| 05:17.33 | jetscreamer | ryman|: i don't know about aptitude.... try F1 |
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| 05:17.58 | twistedemo | d |
| 05:17.58 | ryman| | it doens't work =( |
| 05:18.16 | ryman| | space bar |
| 05:18.17 | ryman| | =) |
| 05:19.02 | twistedemo | Errr... I was un GDM and I accidentally killed all the processes so now I can only see the background. I tried /ect/init.d/gdm restart doesnt work... anyone wana tell me how to restart it ? |
| 05:19.23 | twistedemo | Should I run kill command? |
| 05:19.46 | twistedemo | GDM stop doesnt work either.. |
| 05:19.57 | Simpleton | :/ |
| 05:20.04 | starscalling | well abrocadabro this isnt gonna kill a log file is it? |
| 05:20.17 | twistedemo | "gdm already running. Aborting!" is the error... |
| 05:20.20 | starscalling | abrocadabro, i only need totals logged not that whole graph thing..... |
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| 05:21.02 | twistedemo | Anyone? |
| 05:22.24 | cheal | twistedemo: what happens on /ect/init.d/gdm stop ? |
| 05:22.39 | ajs` | twistedemo try removing the pid for gdm if the process is not running |
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| 05:22.41 | twistedemo | "gdm already running. Abroting!" |
| 05:23.01 | twistedemo | ajs How do I list processes? |
| 05:23.05 | Fo | ps aux |
| 05:23.32 | Simp | Is it possible to adjust what volume channel the keyboard shortcut controls? I tried googling this and I could not figure out how to do it. I need to switch the keyboard shortcuts from controlling whatever they are doing now to PCM because currently it only effects my regular speakers and ignores the subwoofer |
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| 05:24.54 | ajs` | twistedemo look and see if there is a pid file in /var/run/gdm.pid |
| 05:25.10 | ajs` | delete it if there is no gdm process running |
| 05:25.13 | ajs` | then try to start it |
| 05:25.19 | ajs` | /etc/init.d/gdm start |
| 05:25.42 | twistedemo | Grrrr... gayness.. got it. |
| 05:25.46 | twistedemo | Thanks guys ;) |
| 05:25.48 | ajs` | what was the prob? |
| 05:26.22 | Fo | :D |
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| 05:26.38 | ajs` | heh |
| 05:27.07 | ajs` | and it works great with screen |
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| 05:27.43 | TwistedEmotions | Sorry... |
| 05:27.46 | ajs` | wb |
| 05:28.00 | TwistedEmotions | ty |
| 05:28.00 | TwistedEmotions | Just killed the process |
| 05:28.00 | TwistedEmotions | and restarted |
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| 05:28.11 | ajs` | cool |
| 05:28.15 | ajs` | easy enough :) |
| 05:28.29 | TwistedEmotions | kept on giving me same already running error on restart, and stop commands... dont know why... |
| 05:28.43 | ajs` | hmm odd |
| 05:28.51 | TwistedEmotions | ;) Alls well that ends well? |
| 05:28.52 | Fo | TwistedEmotions : cat /var/log/syslog |
| 05:29.12 | ajs` | tail /var/log/syslog woudl probably be better |
| 05:29.27 | Fo | ajs` : yes |
| 05:29.43 | Fo | tail -f /var/log/syslog |
| 05:29.55 | starscalling | abrocadabro, i dont see a log from that proggie in /var/log .. is there a way to grep it to a log file say every minute or hour or something? |
| 05:30.00 | ajs` | well, he prob doesnt want to follow it right now since the problem has passed |
| 05:30.12 | ajs` | but the -f does come in handy :) |
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| 05:31.08 | michal_ | urgh.. anyone have any idea how to set the look java uses under linux? seems to default to the horrific old look |
| 05:31.21 | TwistedEmotions | Did U guys see that paste command? |
| 05:31.33 | ajs` | michal_ what do you mean by look? |
| 05:31.37 | TwistedEmotions | http://channels.debian.net/paste/103 <<-Syslog. If you care to see |
| 05:31.41 | Rambo3 | lookandfeel? |
| 05:31.43 | michal_ | ajs: skin.. whatever you want to call it |
| 05:31.46 | starscalling | or anyone? |
| 05:31.47 | michal_ | yes that's it |
| 05:31.49 | michal_ | lookandfeel |
| 05:32.12 | starscalling | does anyone know if i can grep the data from nload ? |
| 05:32.20 | ajs` | twistedemotions: were you root when you were trying to restart/stop gdm? |
| 05:32.46 | TwistedEmotions | yeah... I was logged into consul alt-F1 then root login and tried |
| 05:33.03 | TwistedEmotions | Err... ctrl-alt F1 then.. |
| 05:33.21 | Fo | ojajebie :D |
| 05:33.32 | ajs` | hmm dunno then ;) |
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| 05:33.55 | TwistedEmotions | All good... next time I wont kill all the processes |
| 05:33.58 | TwistedEmotions | ;) |
| 05:34.11 | Fo | TwistedEmotions : yes yes, kill kill kill them alllllllllll |
| 05:34.16 | quittt | done |
| 05:34.20 | quittt | can someone take a look in my dmesg to see if there is anything wrong? |
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| 05:35.03 | TwistedEmotions | Weeee |
| 05:35.03 | Fo | quittt : paste it at #flood |
| 05:35.13 | Fo | lol |
| 05:35.14 | Fo | :D |
| 05:35.25 | TwistedEmotions | ;) |
| 05:36.02 | TwistedEmotions | Is there anyway to get sux to stop asking for PW without removing root passwd? |
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| 05:37.39 | Fo | hmm, 7:30 AM, think this is good time for sleep |
| 05:37.46 | quittt | Fo, ok |
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| 05:38.04 | TwistedEmotions | Fo: thanks for help ;) |
| 05:38.39 | Fo | TwistedEmotions : no problem, just cut off so many processes as you can :D |
| 05:38.51 | jamesmigel | so after pretty clean sarge gets an update there was some nonsense about "DISCOVER" handling my cdrom mounts... I said yes to that but now i cannot figure out how to mount cdrom cuz its not being DISCOVERED any way i can see... |
| 05:38.58 | Fo | !sex |
| 05:38.58 | dpkg | updatedb; locate; talk; date; cd; strip; look; touch; finger; unzip; uptime; gawk; head; apt-get install condom; mount; fsck; gasp; more; yes; yes; yes; more; umount; apt-get remove --purge condom; make clean; sleep |
| 05:39.16 | jetscreamer | say no to discover managing mount points |
| 05:39.21 | jamesmigel | lol |
| 05:39.24 | Fo | bahah |
| 05:39.43 | jamesmigel | uh ok do you know what package i can dpkg-reconfigure for that |
| 05:39.49 | jetscreamer | you need to recreate /media/mntpoint it keeps disappearing |
| 05:39.59 | jetscreamer | try dpkg-reconfigure discover maybe |
| 05:40.10 | sparr_ | whats the opposite of steep? |
| 05:40.45 | ajs` | level? |
| 05:40.45 | jetscreamer | or discover-data if that doesn't work |
| 05:40.48 | jetscreamer | it's something |
| 05:40.54 | TwistedEmotions | Fo: You need sex man... !sex commands are not satisfying ;) |
| 05:40.59 | jetscreamer | easy slope, smooth gradient... |
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| 05:41.07 | abrocadabro | starscalling: sry, I was away, maybe you can nload eth0 >> file or something like that |
| 05:41.26 | Fo | TwistedEmotions : man, what ? |
| 05:41.28 | jetscreamer | gentle incline |
| 05:41.32 | Fo | i need a chick :P |
| 05:41.49 | peterS | Fo: irc is a great place to pick them up |
| 05:41.49 | TwistedEmotions | Fo: yeah thats what I meant |
| 05:42.07 | jamesmigel | jetscreamer discover1 |
| 05:42.07 | ajs` | totally, i get all the chicks on irc |
| 05:42.17 | TwistedEmotions | ajs` = virgin |
| 05:42.17 | herregud | can someone please tell me where apt-get will download packages when I use the -d option with apt-get install (package)? |
| 05:42.20 | jetscreamer | try dpkg-reconfigure discover |
| 05:42.25 | jetscreamer | try dpkg-reconfigure discover1 |
| 05:42.28 | ajs` | seXyGurL69, bigBooTy77 etc |
| 05:42.31 | ajs` | lol |
| 05:42.34 | jetscreamer | numlock was off |
| 05:42.37 | TwistedEmotions | hehehe |
| 05:42.51 | Fo | peterS : but better is office, when your traveling one day, here, there and there, ... so, secretary's are very fine |
| 05:43.08 | jetscreamer | /var/apt/cache/archives or something similar i think |
| 05:43.12 | TwistedEmotions | Errr... a kernel patch is needed to run xawtv? |
| 05:43.13 | cheal | herregud: man apt-get, or /var/cache/apt/archives/ |
| 05:43.24 | jetscreamer | var/cache/apt/archives, i forget |
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| 05:43.30 | abrocadabro | starscalling:also you can have a go at iptraf as it does have a log function |
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| 05:44.00 | starscalling | abrocadabro, i dont want it to suddenly make like 15GB of logs though >< |
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| 05:44.14 | starscalling | is there a way to make it not log EVERY single little thing or something? |
| 05:44.15 | jetscreamer | why not, it would give you something to do |
| 05:44.27 | fadsf | hy |
| 05:44.39 | michal_ | so anyone know how to change java look and feel under debian? is there some config file for that? |
| 05:44.58 | TwistedEmotions | Anyone know what packages are needed to run xawtv? I mean.. it runs... but it doesnt seem to recognize my TV Tuner card.. |
| 05:45.04 | Fo | quittt : your using ext3 ? |
| 05:45.09 | jetscreamer | ooo java, i need to fill my cup up |
| 05:45.10 | abrocadabro | starscalling: just a thought, you can put in your cron job, fire it up and kill it after say 1 sec |
| 05:45.15 | ajs` | michal_ first of all, what java jse are you using? |
| 05:45.19 | peterS | TwistedEmotions: I suppose you need to load the right kernel modules |
| 05:45.22 | herregud | cheal: Thank you... |
| 05:45.24 | starscalling | oi |
| 05:45.26 | ajs` | or jdk |
| 05:45.28 | cheal | what's the gasp command? |
| 05:45.29 | starscalling | how do i do that abro? |
| 05:45.31 | ajs` | jre* |
| 05:45.31 | starscalling | lol |
| 05:45.32 | ajs` | excuse me |
| 05:45.38 | michal_ | Java(TM) 2 Runtime Environment, Standard Edition (build 1.5.0-b64) |
| 05:45.42 | starscalling | i SUCK at all this and i really appreciate the help btw |
| 05:45.49 | TwistedEmotions | peterS, Is there a apt-get command to download what I need? |
| 05:45.55 | quittt | Fo, saw? |
| 05:45.55 | michal_ | i'm after the gtk look :P |
| 05:45.57 | quittt | Fo, saw it? |
| 05:45.59 | quittt | Fo, did you see it? |
| 05:46.02 | Fo | quittt : yea |
| 05:46.04 | peterS | TwistedEmotions: with any luck your kernel will have the driver available already |
| 05:46.08 | peterS | TwistedEmotions: what card? |
| 05:46.08 | ajs` | i would start looking there michal_, im sure its a java dependant feature, not debian |
| 05:46.22 | fadsf | <PROTECTED> |
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| 05:46.24 | TwistedEmotions | peterS, gimme a second to find the cards box |
| 05:46.26 | fadsf | <PROTECTED> |
| 05:46.30 | fadsf | <PROTECTED> |
| 05:46.31 | peterS | fadsf: I disagree |
| 05:46.33 | abrocadabro | starscalling: say at 2 * * * * * nload >> file, then the next line 4 * * * * * * killall -9 nload, which gives it two second to survive |
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| 05:46.40 | ajs` | machal_ id try in #java |
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| 05:46.46 | peterS | abrocadabro: 2 minutes you mean |
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| 05:46.52 | Fo | quittt : but is everything working fine or what ? i dont know what means that part of ext3 |
| 05:47.00 | peterS | abrocadabro: and you've got too many asterisks |
| 05:47.04 | eps | how do you find out key press codes? having trouble mapping FN + F1..12 keys in sven because I don't know the codes |
| 05:47.08 | abrocadabro | peterS: well, maybe, can't remember the syntax |
| 05:47.11 | fadsf | <PROTECTED> |
| 05:47.12 | Mix`yxul | I see dead chickens. |
| 05:47.14 | peterS | eps: in X or in linux console? |
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| 05:47.27 | eps | peterS console is fine |
| 05:47.29 | Fo | Mix`yxul : bahahah, wha ? |
| 05:47.32 | peterS | eps: 'showkey' |
| 05:47.39 | starscalling | o.O |
| 05:48.11 | starscalling | nice abrocadabro |
| 05:48.11 | TwistedEmotions | peterS: is there any command to check to see if system already recognizes it? |
| 05:48.11 | starscalling | how about |
| 05:48.11 | eps | thanks peterS :) |
| 05:48.11 | peterS | eps: the keycodes you map in the linux console and in X are different, that's why I asked which you were interested in |
| 05:48.11 | Mix`yxul | Fo, you do not understand the complexities of necropoultry? =o |
| 05:48.11 | starscalling | i just run it then kill it in a screen? |
| 05:48.11 | starscalling | just guess etc lol |
| 05:48.11 | Fo | lol |
| 05:48.19 | starscalling | and abrocadabro the iface == like eth0 ? |
| 05:48.19 | eps | peterS oh, okay, what is the equivilant for X ? |
| 05:48.20 | peterS | TwistedEmotions: I don't have a tv card, so my experience here is very limited |
| 05:48.22 | Fo | Mix`yxul : nope |
| 05:48.24 | peterS | eps: xev |
| 05:48.25 | abrocadabro | starscalling: same thing, cron automates it for you |
| 05:48.27 | eps | thanks |
| 05:48.31 | starscalling | oh ok |
| 05:48.33 | Mix`yxul | Know this, it is not the meek, but the chickens that will rule the Earth. |
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| 05:48.40 | peterS | eps: or, 'xmodmap -pke' |
| 05:48.44 | michal_ | * ##java :You need to be identified to join that channel |
| 05:48.44 | starscalling | cron is like a task manager for commandline tasks then>? |
| 05:48.50 | eps | ah! that was the one I was trying to remember :) |
| 05:48.56 | peterS | starscalling: it's a task scheduler for recurring tasks |
| 05:48.57 | eps | thanks again :P |
| 05:49.00 | starscalling | o.O |
| 05:49.02 | ajs` | michal_ /msg nickserv help |
| 05:49.03 | peterS | np |
| 05:49.07 | ajs` | michal_ /msg nickserv help register |
| 05:49.13 | starscalling | sweet thanx peterS |
| 05:49.21 | michal_ | well my nickname was stolen long ago :/ |
| 05:49.21 | abrocadabro | starscalling: exactly, iface is interface, ifconfig like give you a list of them |
| 05:49.25 | peterS | starscalling: if you just want to run a job in the future *once*, you use 'at' rather than 'crontab -e' |
| 05:49.30 | eps | Mix`yxul chickens... |
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| 05:49.36 | Fo | ok ok, 7:45 AM, time to sleep |
| 05:49.38 | ajs` | well you need to have a registered one to enter that channel |
| 05:49.39 | TwistedEmotions | The box sais SBT-TVFM... but I think its a phillips chipset... its like a 20 dollar card from ebay |
| 05:49.41 | TwistedEmotions | http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&category=3761&item=5194802437&rd=1&ssPageName=WDVW |
| 05:49.43 | ajs` | that cuts down on spam and what not |
| 05:49.59 | TwistedEmotions | Phillips SAA7130 Chipset |
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| 05:50.40 | peterS | TwistedEmotions: yeah, let me look into that a moment.. |
| 05:50.57 | TwistedEmotions | peterS: Sorry.. thanks man.. |
| 05:51.12 | jetscreamer | modprobe sa7130 iirc, or saa |
| 05:51.15 | starscalling | ooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooo |
| 05:51.17 | starscalling | kawaiiiii |
| 05:51.47 | TwistedEmotions | jetscreamer: Is that the command I run? |
| 05:51.49 | starscalling | hmm |
| 05:51.56 | starscalling | i wonder what these addresses are |
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| 05:52.30 | peterS | jetscreamer: I don't see a saa7130 here. what kernel version have you got? |
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| 05:54.13 | Nwallins | what's the debianest way to get php5 on sarge? |
| 05:54.17 | peterS | TwistedEmotions: it looks to me like what you want is the 'saa7134' module |
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| 05:54.49 | TwistedEmotions | peters: google it? |
| 05:54.59 | peterS | TwistedEmotions: nah, checked my kernel source tree |
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| 05:55.28 | dijz | hi, how te use "Enter" in text by lynx? |
| 05:55.58 | TwistedEmotions | peters: no I meant should I google it? |
| 05:56.20 | abrocadabro | di jz: /I/ reckon links is better then lynx |
| 05:56.28 | peterS | TwistedEmotions: probably not a bad plan. but that module name looks right to me |
| 05:56.49 | TwistedEmotions | peterS: thanks |
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| 05:57.56 | dijz | abrocadabro: I will try it |
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| 05:59.58 | fadsf | <PROTECTED> |
| 05:59.58 | peterS | fadsf: stop that |
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| 05:59.59 | abrocadabro | quite effective |
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| 06:01.01 | TwistedEmotions | http://channels.debian.net/paste/104 |
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| 06:02.45 | verbascum | are there any special flags i should use for an lcd monitor in x? i specified the horizontal sync and vertical refresh in XF86Config-4, but upon starting x the monitor displays only "input not supported". |
| 06:02.49 | patad | can any of you debian users recommend a blog? |
| 06:02.59 | peterS | TwistedEmotions: yeah, as I said, the saa7134 module certainly claims to handle your chip |
| 06:03.53 | TwistedEmotions | peterS: so then chances are I screwed up something with the program itself and the module is fine? |
| 06:04.12 | peterS | TwistedEmotions: check 'dmesg | tail' to see if the module reported anything to the kernel log when you loaded it |
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| 06:06.28 | TwistedEmotions | http://channels.debian.net/paste/105 |
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| 06:08.24 | locomorto | Hey guys, i was looking aorund for a new Inkjet printer, and i was wondering what you would reccomend? |
| 06:08.29 | Karnaugh | Nwallins: aptitude install php5 ? |
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| 06:08.33 | starscalling | ok lets see here |
| 06:08.39 | starscalling | how do i grep to a file again? |
| 06:08.50 | starscalling | if i say want to just take a snapshot of something? |
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| 06:09.17 | verbascum | grep "grep expression" > output_file |
| 06:09.24 | Nwallins | Karnaugh: last i checked, php5 wasn't in sarge. that was a while ago though.. :| |
| 06:09.35 | Karnaugh | oh, not you're right it isnt |
| 06:09.42 | Karnaugh | *no |
| 06:10.06 | peterS | Nwallins: still true |
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| 06:11.42 | Nwallins | welp, i'll just install from source i guess. is there a quick guide regarding where to put app components on the filesystem? |
| 06:11.42 | jetscreamer | don't think it's in sid either |
| 06:11.47 | jetscreamer | or it wasn't |
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| 06:12.53 | Karnaugh | jetscreamer: no, it isnt |
| 06:13.44 | TwistedEmotions | Anyone know what this means ? |
| 06:13.45 | TwistedEmotions | http://www.gossamer-threads.com/lists/linux/kernel/522082?do=post_view_threaded |
| 06:14.07 | Nwallins | <PROTECTED> |
| 06:14.45 | Nwallins | hmm.. it will be an apache module, but also cli |
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| 06:16.05 | IDC | :) |
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| 06:20.50 | kjparker | /msg dpkg wwsr |
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| 06:22.37 | noub | hi! does anybody knowes how i can conf named.conf so that the www will respond from 2 ip's?? |
| 06:23.31 | noub | i just add another www line to it? coresponding anther ip?? |
| 06:23.37 | poli | noub, yes |
| 06:23.57 | poli | noub, the client will use round-robin to select which one to give the application asking. |
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| 06:26.14 | noub | so i just add another line like this www CNAME cerf | www CNAME torvalds !! it's corect like this? |
| 06:26.27 | perapera | my motherboard vendor has given me a bios upgrade as a dos floppy image |
| 06:26.51 | perapera | ... and given me two options: install using their windows-based tool |
| 06:27.15 | perapera | ... or load onto a floppy and boot |
| 06:28.17 | perapera | i happily tossed my floppy drive two years ago and I don't have windows |
| 06:28.25 | poli | noub, don't use CNAME, preferably, but yes, it is correct. |
| 06:28.41 | perapera | am I hosed, or is there some linux way to flash the bios? |
| 06:28.46 | poli | noub, try it yourself, do ping www some different times and see which address it links to. |
| 06:30.16 | poli | perapera, take a look at dosemu |
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| 06:30.33 | noub | <poli> i have 2 ISP on my server each corespond to a diferent ip! i just woder if i can make bind www to corespond to 2 ip's! some kind o load-balance,if i edit the named.conf just like i said?? |
| 06:34.27 | mcrawfor | hey folks, i rebooted and lvm does not see the pvs or vgs I have created... any advice? |
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| 06:39.44 | peterS | mcrawfor: details, man. first, does /proc/partitions show the partitions your PVs are on? |
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| 06:39.59 | mcrawfor | yes |
| 06:40.01 | mcrawfor | the disks are fine |
| 06:40.23 | mcrawfor | I can head -n /dev/hdd and see the lvm metadata at the start of each volume |
| 06:40.24 | peterS | does 'vgscan' turn anything up? |
| 06:40.27 | mcrawfor | zero |
| 06:40.29 | kjparker | hello ppl, I have a question about my sources.list |
| 06:40.57 | mcrawfor | vgcfgrestore says |
| 06:40.57 | MobyTurbo | kjparker: just ask |
| 06:40.59 | mcrawfor | Couldn't find device with uuid 'n6xuHF-8REO-Xagh-wtM3-Z7O6-18hi-dbyaTS' |
| 06:41.00 | peterS | mcrawfor: eh, you put the PV directly on /dev/hdd, rather than in /dev/hdd1? |
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| 06:41.31 | kjparker | when I originaly had a knoppix hdd install, alot of packages available to me, for example amsn |
| 06:41.42 | kjparker | i now have bit the bullet and done a clean debian installation |
| 06:41.50 | mcrawfor | I *think* so |
| 06:41.52 | sussudio | !info amsn |
| 06:41.54 | dpkg | amsn: (An MSN messenger written in tcl), section x11, is optional. Version: 0.94-1 (sid), Packaged size: 1946 kB, Installed size: 6976 kB |
| 06:41.58 | kjparker | now when I do a apt-get install amsn |
| 06:42.00 | mcrawfor | how can I be sure |
| 06:42.01 | mcrawfor | ? |
| 06:42.01 | mshade | How can I install debian from a host OS? |
| 06:42.05 | mshade | like a mounted reiserfs partition |
| 06:42.15 | mshade | rather than a boot cd |
| 06:42.15 | kjparker | it basicaly tells me it can't install it.... |
| 06:42.25 | peterS | mcrawfor: well, I ask because I think vgscan might only check the partitions inside a disk, not the whole disk itself |
| 06:42.25 | mcrawfor | peterS: yeah, i'm pretty sure i did |
| 06:42.31 | mcrawfor | hm. |
| 06:42.35 | MobyTurbo | kjparker: woody or sarge (or sid)? |
| 06:42.39 | peterS | I'm not sure about that |
| 06:42.39 | perapera | poli: dosemu looks risky, but I might be willing to try. however, |
| 06:42.44 | mcrawfor | so can I pvchange them all active again manually? |
| 06:42.49 | sussudio | !info amsn stable |
| 06:43.11 | kjparker | it tells me it exists in the database, but has no installation candidate |
| 06:43.18 | peterS | mcrawfor: try pvscan |
| 06:43.20 | perapera | do you have any experience mounting a floppy disk image file in a way that dosemu can read it? |
| 06:43.31 | sussudio | !info ccmsn stable |
| 06:43.32 | mcrawfor | peterS: no matching volumes found |
| 06:44.08 | sussudio | kjparker: it's not in woody. |
| 06:44.22 | kjparker | hmm, ok, |
| 06:44.38 | sussudio | kjparker: are you running woody or sarge |
| 06:44.42 | peterS | mcrawfor: not sure how to make the lvm subsystem aware of the location of your PVs, then |
| 06:44.45 | kjparker | how do I know wether i have sarge, or woody |
| 06:44.57 | mcrawfor | peterS: hm. |
| 06:44.58 | sussudio | kjparker: umm. look at your sources.list? |
| 06:45.02 | kjparker | lol |
| 06:45.04 | kjparker | 1 sec |
| 06:45.06 | peterS | mcrawfor: pretty sure it would just pick them up automatically with vgscan or pvscan, if you had them in actual disk partitions, labeled with the lvm partition type |
| 06:45.11 | poli | perapera, take a look at the options, I am pretty sure I can tell dosemu that its A: is a disk-image. |
| 06:45.19 | mcrawfor | peterS: the lvm howto doesn't mention that danger ;) |
| 06:45.21 | MobyTurbo | kjparker: woody is currently also "stable" sarge is currently also "testing" |
| 06:45.23 | mcrawfor | a shame |
| 06:45.30 | peterS | yeah, a shame, if my theory is true |
| 06:45.31 | kjparker | i am "stable" |
| 06:45.38 | MobyTurbo | kjparker: and sid is "unstable" |
| 06:45.54 | MobyTurbo | !tell kjparker about woody->sarge |
| 06:45.55 | kjparker | though i'm sure others would disaggre with that ;) |
| 06:45.56 | sussudio | kjparker: well, soon stable will be sarge. so you can either keep it that way or change it to sarge now |
| 06:46.08 | ysothoth | aaaaaaaaamount |
| 06:46.15 | ysothoth | ha ha so funny. |
| 06:46.58 | kjparker | thanks moby |
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| 06:47.23 | kjparker | sussudio: we talking weeks or months |
| 06:47.23 | tzafrir | how do I tell fetchmail to fetch mail from a server with pop3s instead of pop3? The man page is very fuzzy here. I tryed adding 'ssl' in some points in my fetchmailrc and got syntax errors. |
| 06:47.25 | MobyTurbo | np |
| 06:47.50 | sussudio | kjparker: weeks, probably. |
| 06:47.55 | kjparker | ok |
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| 06:48.04 | kjparker | hmmm, might bite the bullet |
| 06:48.12 | sussudio | kjparker: it will still be a big switchover, probably hundreds of megabytes of upgraded packages. |
| 06:48.17 | MobyTurbo | kjparker: the schedule says may 20something, but it's likely to be later. |
| 06:48.27 | mcrawfor | peterS: what is lvmtab supposed to look like? |
| 06:48.41 | kjparker | that's ok, i don't have a download limit |
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| 06:48.43 | kjparker | :) |
| 06:48.57 | starscalling | ok |
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| 06:49.02 | peterS | mcrawfor: the system keeps track of VGs that exist, there. I can't remember for sure but I'm thinking it's a NUL-separated list of VG names |
| 06:49.03 | mshade | Does anyone know a way to install debian on a mounted partition from a host os? |
| 06:49.06 | kjparker | does anybody know if knoppix 3.8 is based on woody or sarge? |
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| 06:49.16 | starscalling | iptraf is ok for running |
| 06:49.16 | tzafrir | mcrawfor, lvmtab is not a text |
| 06:49.17 | mcrawfor | peterS: okay. odd, because mine was just empty |
| 06:49.17 | mwilson | tzafrir: Actually, the man page isn't fuzzy in the slightest. |
| 06:49.19 | starscalling | just not its logging |
| 06:49.21 | MobyTurbo | !knoppix |
| 06:49.53 | dpkg | Knoppix is _not_ Debian. Seek knoppix help in #knoppix. For those of you who don't know, knoppix is a livecd distro based on debian. It's useful as a rescue cd, to test hardware, and for situations where you have access to a computer but it doesn't run debian. http://www.knoppix.com/. Please go to #knoppix |
| 06:49.53 | mshade | kjparker, sarge afaik |
| 06:49.53 | peterS | mshade: /msg dpkg chroot install |
| 06:49.53 | mcrawfor | tzafrir: not a text file? |
| 06:49.53 | mshade | peterS, thanks |
| 06:49.53 | MobyTurbo | kjparker: knoppix is partially based upon sid. |
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| 06:49.54 | tzafrir | mcrawfor, wasn't in lvm1 |
| 06:49.59 | mcrawfor | interesting |
| 06:50.32 | peterS | yeah, the only reason it's in /etc rather than, say, /var/run, is that /var might be in an LVM-controlled location (: |
| 06:51.00 | mcrawfor | gothca |
| 06:51.09 | kjparker | can i do the dist-upgrade whilst in the gui? |
| 06:51.28 | mcrawfor | so, next question - can I just use vgextend my_vg /dev/hda to rebuild it? |
| 06:51.47 | mcrawfor | if i use vgextend with existing pvs that have data in them, will they turn back into a valid disk? |
| 06:51.54 | mcrawfor | or am i wiping them clean by adding them to a new vg? |
| 06:51.55 | peterS | mcrawfor: hmmm. I don't think vgextend works that way |
| 06:52.05 | mcrawfor | i didn't think so |
| 06:52.05 | tzafrir | kjparker, I recommend that you do it from a console. X depends on more packages and has more chances of exploding from a failed upgrade |
| 06:52.20 | mcrawfor | well, where the hell is the file that says what my vg consists of? |
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| 06:52.31 | tzafrir | if "X" is actually gnome or KDE" then this is certainly the case |
| 06:52.34 | mcrawfor | in /etc/lvm/backup/ there is a file that perfectly describes my vg |
| 06:52.35 | peterS | mcrawfor: do you have a spare disk at least as large as hdd? if so, you can probably recover |
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| 06:53.11 | mcrawfor | peterS: if it comes to that, I can do so, but the pvs are still sitting there on disk... I'd rather figure out how to enable them again |
| 06:53.42 | mcrawfor | two disks hdd and hda are pvs. hdb is root |
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| 06:54.30 | tzafrir | mwilson, so do you have fetchmail working with ssl? |
| 06:54.50 | rj_ | How do i get more info about a package before installing it? |
| 06:54.56 | rj_ | i thought there was a way using apt-* ? |
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| 06:55.41 | streuner | rj_: apt-cache show pkg |
| 06:56.16 | rj_ | streuner: thank you :) |
| 06:56.29 | peterS | mcrawfor: if you have a spare disk at least as big as hda, you can create a partition, type 8E ("Linux LVM"), then use 'cp /dev/hda /dev/hde1' or whatever. then pvscan should pick up hde1. |
| 06:57.00 | mcrawfor | hm |
| 06:57.08 | mcrawfor | check this out too: http://www.tldp.org/HOWTO/LVM-HOWTO/uuidfixer.html |
| 06:57.26 | mcrawfor | that may be it - this system had been up for 250 days, and I bet debian gave me an update to lvm in that time |
| 06:57.34 | tzafrir | rj_, apt-cache show packagename |
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| 06:57.45 | guestish | yay! frozen sarge |
| 06:57.57 | peterS | mcrawfor: what kernel version were you using before, and what kernel version now? |
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| 06:58.04 | peterS | guestish: yep |
| 06:58.06 | guestish | dancin in the streeetttttttttt |
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| 06:58.16 | kjparker | frozen? that means that there will be no code changes right? |
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| 06:58.19 | mcrawfor | peterS: same kernel 2.6.8 |
| 06:58.25 | mcrawfor | it was just your average reboot |
| 06:58.26 | peterS | kjparker: it means very limited package changes |
| 06:58.28 | guestish | peterS: tis a good day |
| 06:58.37 | mcrawfor | i hadn't changed anything, just needed to move some power cords |
| 06:58.48 | peterS | mcrawfor: oh ok. so you're using lvm2, not lvm 0.x. uuid_fixer is for much older versions of lvm |
| 06:58.52 | guestish | frozen sarge, new comp, ah, life is good |
| 06:58.58 | mcrawfor | peterS: crap |
| 06:59.07 | kjparker | just one more question before i drop to a terminal and do a dis-upgrade... |
| 06:59.18 | guestish | eh, dist upgrade? |
| 06:59.21 | peterS | mcrawfor: give me 10 minutes to look at the lvm2 source. there may be something obvious you can do |
| 06:59.24 | guestish | gah, stupid azureus client |
| 06:59.27 | kjparker | what version of the kernel will I end up with after the dist-upgrade |
| 06:59.35 | kjparker | to sarge |
| 06:59.44 | guestish | probably the same |
| 06:59.48 | streuner | kjparker: 2.6.8 |
| 06:59.50 | mcrawfor | peterS: take your time |
| 07:00.01 | guestish | unless you're using that dynamic kernel package |
| 07:00.15 | streuner | kjparker: if you want to install that kernel |
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| 07:00.25 | kjparker | ok, cool, i'm using the 2.4 kernel that was installed at build time |
| 07:00.27 | guestish | er yeah |
| 07:00.30 | streuner | kjparker: dist-upgrade never touch your working kernel |
| 07:00.45 | guestish | kjparker: you'll still be using it then, heh |
| 07:00.53 | kjparker | lol, bugger! |
| 07:01.02 | kjparker | how do i force it? :) |
| 07:01.03 | guestish | just upgrade to 2.6.{8,9,10,11} |
| 07:01.06 | guestish | meh |
| 07:01.12 | guestish | install sarge, then apt-get the new kernel |
| 07:01.24 | guestish | piece of cake |
| 07:01.47 | kjparker | so apt-get install ? |
| 07:01.53 | sussudio | http://english.pravda.ru/printed.html?news_id=15409 < in soviet russia, kebab is you |
| 07:02.08 | guestish | kjparker: in mother country, we do apt-get install kernel-image-2.6.8 |
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| 07:02.16 | kjparker | lol |
| 07:02.20 | guestish | :) |
| 07:02.28 | starscalling | ok |
| 07:02.41 | starscalling | so i made a /place to mount these iso's to |
| 07:02.42 | kjparker | and that will upgrade my running kernel right? |
| 07:02.47 | starscalling | how do i mount an iso to a place? |
| 07:02.49 | guestish | no, it wont =P |
| 07:02.56 | guestish | it'll just install 2.6.8 |
| 07:03.01 | peterS | starscalling: mount -r -t iso9660 /your/iso/file /place |
| 07:03.06 | kjparker | then i have to build it? |
| 07:03.09 | peterS | starscalling: uh, I mean, mount -r -t iso9660 -o loop /your/iso/file /place |
| 07:03.10 | kjparker | that's good too |
| 07:03.12 | kjparker | :) |
| 07:03.19 | guestish | kjparker: but you can do update-grub or update your lilo file so you can select 2.6.8 |
| 07:03.19 | mcrawfor | peterS: can I run some lvm commands safely with -t? |
| 07:03.21 | guestish | na, precompiled |
| 07:03.50 | peterS | mcrawfor: sounds safe to me. dunno. |
| 07:03.55 | mcrawfor | peterS: heh |
| 07:04.13 | giwe | Can someone suggest me a way to find the content of a variable in a running program? Is it easy to dump somehow the memory of this program? |
| 07:04.14 | kjparker | sorry, i'm still getting used to debian, i have played around a bit with openbsd as a server platform, but never needed to do anything like this |
| 07:04.56 | guestish | kjparker: upgrading is fun and useful |
| 07:05.05 | guestish | wee |
| 07:05.10 | guestish | just remove all backports |
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| 07:05.23 | jupi | hi |
| 07:05.28 | guestish | !hello juhov |
| 07:05.31 | guestish | !hi jupi |
| 07:05.32 | dpkg | Long days and pleasant nights, sai jupi! |
| 07:05.37 | jupi | :) |
| 07:06.41 | kjparker | oh, well, i'm off, wish me luck! |
| 07:06.46 | jupi | gl |
| 07:07.30 | guestish | !luck |
| 07:07.30 | dpkg | extra, extra, read all about it, luck is what you dont have. |
| 07:07.34 | guestish | :) |
| 07:07.46 | guestish | kjparker: remember if you break it, you owe me a dollar ;) |
| 07:07.48 | [baton] | ;) |
| 07:08.03 | peterS | mcrawfor: see if you can fool the system by setting up a loopback device. 'losetup /dev/hda' 'losetup /dev/hdd' 'vgscan' |
| 07:08.03 | kjparker | lol |
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| 07:08.31 | Tonny | <PROTECTED> |
| 07:08.32 | mcrawfor | peterS: okay - lets see here |
| 07:08.43 | jupi | i have a little problem on a sid distro when installing snort. It says ERR: logging directory /var/log/snort does not belong to the snort user snort will not start Network Intrusion Detection System! :( |
| 07:08.51 | peterS | mcrawfor: what you're creating is /dev/loop0 /dev/loop1 representing your hard disks |
| 07:09.00 | mcrawfor | right |
| 07:09.59 | mcrawfor | OH! |
| 07:10.01 | starscalling | mount -r -t iso9660 -o loop /your/iso/file /place ? |
| 07:10.02 | mcrawfor | you're so good! |
| 07:10.06 | mcrawfor | peterS: nice! |
| 07:10.32 | peterS | mcrawfor: it worked? |
| 07:10.32 | starscalling | do i need to edit the mount file thing peterS ? |
| 07:10.40 | mcrawfor | peterS: Yeah! |
| 07:10.43 | mcrawfor | it did! |
| 07:10.48 | peterS | mcrawfor: hehehe. good to hear. |
| 07:10.54 | mcrawfor | that is *so dumb* and so relieving ;) |
| 07:10.56 | starscalling | its just temporary so i can mount my debian cd's and install the proggies that i FUCKED up |
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| 07:11.32 | Fo | yee, 1 hour of sleeping, this is good |
| 07:11.47 | mcrawfor | peterS: thanks. that was a genuinly good unix-guru idea |
| 07:12.15 | peterS | mcrawfor: one does one's best. it's not a very good permanent solution, you probably want to move your vgs to real partitions whenever it's convenient |
| 07:13.45 | mcrawfor | yeah, I guess so |
| 07:14.12 | mcrawfor | i'll try to work up a patch for the LVM howto so it mentions that |
| 07:14.26 | peterS | good plan |
| 07:14.31 | starscalling | \o/ !!!!! your a genius peterS |
| 07:14.48 | starscalling | if i may explain what i did wrong and if you have any advice i would appreciate it |
| 07:15.04 | peterS | starscalling: I can but try.. |
| 07:15.28 | starscalling | ^_^ |
| 07:15.32 | starscalling | ok/ |
| 07:16.10 | mcrawfor | peterS: there is a paragraph that recommends doing the one partition on the whole disk thing, but for a different reason |
| 07:16.13 | starscalling | i have a couple of servers running debian/progeny.. and i was really worried about going over on my bandwidth,. so i got this great idea of logging my ifconfig readouts |
| 07:16.34 | peterS | mcrawfor: note, we still haven't established for *certain* that the cause of failure is the lack of a partition table |
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| 07:16.45 | poncha|work | hi |
| 07:16.52 | jupi | lo poncha|work |
| 07:16.57 | starscalling | these turn out to be totally fuxxored, and reset without the server resetting for some reason.. and they are remote servers so there is no way for me to put a cd in or anything |
| 07:17.35 | peterS | starscalling: right.. |
| 07:17.44 | petemc | 08:10 < starscalling> do i need to edit the mount file thing peterS ? |
| 07:17.47 | poncha|work | guys, is there any place i can find debian news rdf? (i'd like to add this to knewsticker) |
| 07:17.53 | starscalling | so anyway i got this bright idea of putting in webadmin. it was complaining about perl dependancies so i tried to upgrade things and that did me no good |
| 07:18.12 | petemc | oops |
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| 07:18.19 | peterS | morning, petemc |
| 07:18.26 | petemc | hey peterS :) |
| 07:18.33 | petemc | just lifted the laptop |
| 07:18.44 | starscalling | so i killed it and tried to degrade the perl-base package |
| 07:18.49 | starscalling | instead i uninstalled it |
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| 07:19.04 | peterS | starscalling: oh dear. that would have caused a lot of problems right there |
| 07:19.07 | starscalling | this caused a catastrophic system wide set of failures |
| 07:19.09 | jupi | i have a little problem on a sid distro when installing snort. It says ERR: logging directory /var/log/snort does not belong to the snort user snort will not start Network Intrusion Detection System! :( |
| 07:19.17 | jupi | any idea ? |
| 07:19.17 | starscalling | lost apt and wget and everything |
| 07:19.26 | starscalling | thank god i was in with putty lol |
| 07:19.31 | Wyzard | jupi: chown it so it belongs to the snort user |
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| 07:19.47 | starscalling | so i downloaded the iso's that the install was from and now they are mounted |
| 07:19.48 | peterS | wget shouldn't need perl-base. apt probably does, true |
| 07:19.53 | ysothoth | jupi: File a bug report. |
| 07:20.11 | starscalling | so im thinking that i might be able to get what i need from the mounted cd's somehow |
| 07:20.12 | starscalling | XD |
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| 07:20.30 | peterS | starscalling: you downloaded CD images? so much for your plan about watching your bandwidth :/ |
| 07:20.32 | jupi | Wyzard< : chown -R snort /var/log/snort ? |
| 07:21.03 | peterS | starscalling: anyway, in the CD is a directory hierarchy debian/pool/main/p/perl/ |
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| 07:21.09 | Wyzard | jupi: Seems right to me |
| 07:21.18 | peterS | starscalling: you can install perl-base_*.deb from there, with 'dpkg -i' |
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| 07:21.28 | starscalling | peters i have like um |
| 07:21.31 | starscalling | a few TB |
| 07:21.36 | starscalling | so a few gb is no big deal |
| 07:21.37 | peterS | starscalling: heh, ok |
| 07:21.49 | starscalling | im just gonna shut it down a couple hundred gb early is all |
| 07:22.02 | jupi | thx Wyzard i'll try |
| 07:22.07 | starscalling | the other thing i need is another way to measure the bandwidth and traffic used |
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| 07:22.41 | peterS | hmm, Mestapheles just quit. I wonder if he's trying to be Mephistopheles |
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| 07:23.48 | starscalling | peterS, so can i just dpkg -i something and if it needs stuff it will auto grab it? |
| 07:23.54 | starscalling | i also have dselect still |
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| 07:24.04 | peterS | starscalling: it won't, but it'll complain about what it doesn't have, and you can poke around debian/pool/main/ for it |
| 07:24.13 | starscalling | oh ok |
| 07:24.25 | starscalling | is there a way to tell the cd's to run and do a fix install? |
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| 07:24.59 | peterS | starscalling: don't know what kind of fixing is needed in your case. reinstalling perl should be the end of it, from what you describe of what went wrong |
| 07:25.04 | VoX | im tyring to install azureus, which requires java. when i try to install java-runtime, it gives me a list of four different packages i can install, but i am unsure as to which one to chose. will it matter which one is chosen, if all i want is the java runtim? |
| 07:25.17 | starscalling | oh nice peterS ill try that |
| 07:25.22 | Fo | hmm, Im looking for some web host management panel, ofcourse based on www, does anybody have any experience with that kind of stuff ? I dont want to fuck up my server... |
| 07:25.53 | Wyzard | VoX: Install "java-package" and use it to make a .deb of the official Sun Java release |
| 07:26.58 | VoX | Wyzard: how so? |
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| 07:27.51 | Wyzard | VoX: Install it and then "man make-jpkg" |
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| 07:28.29 | Wyzard | VoX: Get the Java 1.5 Linux tarball from java.sun.com and use make-jpkg on that |
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| 07:29.51 | bizkit | since 'shred' can delete files safely this won't work on journaled filesystems like ext3 or reiserfs. is there a way to delete files securely on such filesystems? |
| 07:30.18 | bizkit | deleting the whole journal? :o |
| 07:30.40 | Wyzard | bizkit: No, not really |
| 07:30.48 | starscalling | hmm |
| 07:31.06 | peterS | bizkit: not even that. you'd have to fill up the whole filesystem with garbage, then delete it. that'd probably work |
| 07:31.07 | starscalling | peterS, how do i know which ones i really need in ? |
| 07:31.13 | starscalling | er wait let me dig around a bit |
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| 07:33.38 | bizkit | peterS: the whole fs? i don't really know what info the journal holds (this woulc perhaps even differ from ext3 to reiserfs..?) but to safely deleting some files is it not enough to overwrite each with garbage and later on remove it and the journal? |
| 07:34.17 | VoX | Wyzard: heh i'm trying to find it |
| 07:34.37 | peterS | bizkit: the problem with journaling filesystems in general is that they often rewrite files in a different location than the original file was stored. the original space is then freed, after the new write has finished |
| 07:35.00 | peterS | bizkit: if you really want to use shred on ext3, the simplest way is to unmount the filesystem, mount it as ext2, do your shredding, then go back |
| 07:35.17 | peterS | bizkit: note that even then, if a file has been written more than once, its old contents could still be floating out there somewhere |
| 07:35.32 | VoX | ah found it |
| 07:36.18 | peterS | bizkit: in fact that's generally true, even in other filesystems. if a file has been overwritten at least once, its new contents might not be in the same blocks as the old. to be safe, you have to wipe the whole fs, in that case |
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| 07:36.38 | tag | hurm |
| 07:36.40 | starscalling | yeah ok so um.... peterS can i pm with a readout of what happens when i try to install perl-modules? |
| 07:36.54 | peterS | starscalling: join the #flood channel, we'll do this there |
| 07:36.57 | starscalling | ahh |
| 07:36.58 | starscalling | thanx |
| 07:37.25 | tag | anyone use wlan-ng and a usb device? I have this linksys, I seem to have it set up properly and when I plug in my device hotplug finds it, loads prism2_usb, and registers the driver with usbcore |
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| 07:37.30 | tag | but the device never shows up |
| 07:37.32 | mshade | peterS, would it be impractical to fill the partition with random bits to cover that up? and then rm again |
| 07:37.37 | tag | not quite sure what I am doing wrong here |
| 07:37.45 | tracer | Problem: When I run 'edquota -u johndoe' it says that it cannot find any filesystems with a quota, even though I addid the option 'usrquota' to /etc/fstab... whats up? |
| 07:37.59 | peterS | mshade: just creating a huge file from a random number generator, in the style of shred and friends, until you get a disk full error, then deleting the file - yeah |
| 07:38.10 | tracer | added* |
| 07:38.22 | tag | when I try to set it up with wlanct-ng it tells me wlanctl-ng: No such device |
| 07:38.31 | tag | anyone have any ideas? |
| 07:38.37 | mshade | peterS, but wouldn't that eliminate the 'floating bits' factor? |
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| 07:39.40 | freewoody | Hi all |
| 07:40.21 | freewoody | How do I start Nagat to administer Nagios on a web interface |
| 07:41.06 | bizkit | peterS: thanks, thats even what shred's manpage says shredding the whole device or a partition and the fs won't matter, e.g. shredding /dev/hdb3 .. |
| 07:41.42 | peterS | bizkit: yeah, you can do that. you want to unmount it first. then you'll have to re-mkfs afterwards |
| 07:43.27 | simonrvn | freewoody: you don't need nagat to do that. nagios already has a web ui |
| 07:44.39 | tag | well what the heck |
| 07:44.55 | simonrvn | hey, i can get a "no route to host" too |
| 07:45.00 | freewoody | Really, how can I start that |
| 07:45.06 | peterS | oh looky, it's tag |
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| 07:45.11 | freewoody | I am pointing nagios to my local machine |
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| 07:45.40 | simonrvn | /usr/share/doc/nagios/* /usr/share/nagios/* |
| 07:45.51 | tag | nobody uses linux-wlan-ng? :-( |
| 07:46.11 | tag | google is being entirely useless in helping me solve this problem |
| 07:46.29 | bob2 | lots of people unfortunately have to use it |
| 07:46.51 | bob2 | if you get "no such device" errors, it's because you a) don't have hardware it supports or b) haven't loaded the module for it |
| 07:47.02 | bob2 | or the driver is broken |
| 07:47.11 | bob2 | as I found with my shitty netgear wireless thing |
| 07:47.14 | tag | well supposedly both of those are false but I just found something I'm not sure I set up in my modules.conf |
| 07:47.30 | bob2 | isn't modules.conf the thing nothing uses anymore? |
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| 07:47.40 | IDC | question: many http server offers 'gzip http' compress to reduce bindwidth ,to use this feature i need 'zlib' support,in debian which packages i should get ? |
| 07:47.44 | bizkit | peterS: you know anything about how to shred a mounted root (!) fs? its a little disc and the system had just a simple purpose so it only has /dev/hda3 as / and a swap partition! i don't think it would work since shred has to shred itself ... but however shred and the os runs out of the mem?! |
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| 07:47.51 | tag | bob2: yes and I was wrong the entry is actually there |
| 07:47.53 | Dewi | does there exist a debian package to manage iptables for me that doesn't suck, or am I just going to have to stop being lazy? |
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| 07:48.05 | tag | bob2: Oh no, that's actuall /etc/modules that nothing uses anymore I think. |
| 07:48.22 | tag | this device is supposed to be supported |
| 07:48.23 | bizkit | peterS: i have to physical access anyway so booting any on-cd os won't work |
| 07:48.24 | Dewi | I seem to remember one that had "fire" in its name |
| 07:48.26 | tag | supposedly. |
| 07:48.27 | tag | heh |
| 07:48.29 | Wyzard | bizkit: Boot something like Knoppix or the Debian install CD, so that the hard drive partition isn't mounted, and shred the partition |
| 07:48.30 | bob2 | IDC: you mean "What packages do I need to install to get apache to use mod_gzip?"? |
| 07:48.33 | tzafrir | regarding fetchmail: I needed to put it after the word "user" for some reason that is probably so obvious to the author of the man page that he didn't bother mentioning it. |
| 07:48.36 | bob2 | tag: no, /etc/modules is absolutely used |
| 07:48.46 | bizkit | Wyzard: i have no physical access |
| 07:48.50 | bob2 | Dewi: shorewall |
| 07:48.56 | Wyzard | bizkit: You can't delete an OS installation while it's running |
| 07:49.02 | bob2 | Dewi: tho you're probably thinking of something like "firestarter" |
| 07:49.07 | Dewi | bob2: that's it |
| 07:49.13 | bob2 | because gtk programs with root privelegs are an awesome idea |
| 07:49.14 | peterS | Wyzard: not *technically* true. it's just really difficult if you don't know what you're doing |
| 07:49.16 | Dewi | bob2: sucks more than shorewall? |
| 07:49.20 | bob2 | Dewi: yes |
| 07:49.24 | Dewi | bob2: thanks |
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| 07:49.28 | bizkit | Wyzard: is there no way to completely kill an os and the whole data? |
| 07:49.31 | bob2 | shorewall is entirely different, tho |
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| 07:49.37 | freewoody | I am getting access denied when staring Webmin |
| 07:49.37 | IDC | bob2, it says ' mod_gzip" and 'gzip_html" compress output is not the same thing,maybe they does the same job |
| 07:49.38 | bob2 | it's a set of oncifg file |
| 07:49.45 | abelbo | español?? |
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| 07:49.48 | IDC | bob2, and it notes just use either one |
| 07:49.48 | Dewi | bob2: I've never used any of them except "ipmasq" which seems nobody uses anymore |
| 07:49.52 | sussudio | bizkit: ms-dos "restore" could do that |
| 07:50.00 | groton | is it possible that the "graphics support" option is not present in the menu of "make menuconfig"? :) i cant find it! |
| 07:50.00 | verbose | well, i finally seem to have gotten debian to work... once and for all |
| 07:50.01 | bob2 | IDC: if you're talking about apache, then you should have mentioned that in your original question |
| 07:50.03 | Dewi | bob2: and has bad docs |
| 07:50.09 | bob2 | tag: ignore the config files, does it work manually? |
| 07:50.10 | bizkit | sussudio: huh? :p |
| 07:50.12 | verbose | however, when prompted to login, how do i get into X? |
| 07:50.16 | verbose | i'm using netinst |
| 07:50.23 | bob2 | tag: ie, 'sudo modprobe prism2_usb do_reset=1' or whatever it is |
| 07:50.32 | IDC | bob2, im configuing a forum program |
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| 07:50.43 | bob2 | lord, have fun then |
| 07:50.47 | verbose | in previous linux installations i simply had to type startx |
| 07:50.49 | sussudio | bizkit: well, the name was deceptive. you had "backup" and "restore" in ms-dos, but instead of actually "restoring" what you had backed up before, it would fuck your disk like a crazed weasel. |
| 07:51.00 | simonrvn | roughly |
| 07:51.02 | verbose | does netinst not install X by default |
| 07:51.04 | bob2 | verbose: did you tell it to install X? |
| 07:51.08 | Wyzard | bizkit: You could try running shred on the raw partition, but doing that while it's mounted means that if anything goes wrong, you probably don't get a second try -- enough will be gone that you won't be able to run any more programs |
| 07:51.16 | bob2 | verbose: the netinst is not different in any way shape or form to the install cds |
| 07:51.24 | verbose | ah |
| 07:51.26 | bob2 | verbose: perhaps you forgot to install the x-window-system package |
| 07:51.32 | Dewi | sussudio: hehehe. yeah. |
| 07:51.33 | IDC | bob2, if i get mod_gzip,do i have to configure it manually ? |
| 07:51.46 | bizkit | sussudio: hehe |
| 07:51.52 | verbose | bob2: where do i select to install X? |
| 07:51.58 | bob2 | IDC: is your actual question "How do I configure apache to compress outgoing data with gzip?"? |
| 07:51.58 | verbose | there's no option |
| 07:52.02 | bob2 | verbose: 17:51:27 bob2 | verbose: perhaps you forgot to install the x-window-system package |
| 07:52.11 | verbose | it just installs what is on the cd |
| 07:52.15 | bob2 | no, it doesn't |
| 07:52.23 | IDC | bob2, Oh yes :) |
| 07:52.23 | verbose | oh |
| 07:52.33 | Wyzard | bizkit: You could also possibly copy some binaries into a tmpfs and pivot_root onto it, and then unmount the disk, but that requires killing pretty much every other process running, so it's rather tricky to do on a running system |
| 07:52.49 | bob2 | IDC: libapache-mod-gzip - HTTP compression module for Apache |
| 07:52.52 | verbose | i have linux-2.4.xx installed and not 2.6.xx |
| 07:52.55 | bob2 | IDC: install that and read the documentation |
| 07:53.02 | bob2 | verbose: yes, you didn't read the install guide |
| 07:53.04 | IDC | bob2, Thanks :D |
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| 07:53.17 | bob2 | verbose: if you wanted to install it with 2.6, then you need to boot with the linux26 option |
| 07:53.26 | verbose | ah |
| 07:53.38 | bizkit | Wyzard: so thats my problem i have no second chance ;>.. what about installing a base system in the swap and booting into it then shredding the whole partition of the system? |
| 07:53.39 | verbose | i saw something about that... i partially read the installation guide |
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| 07:53.59 | verbose | now when i try to install over 2.4.xx i get an error |
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| 07:54.10 | verbose | however, if i format the partitions it will probably work |
| 07:54.25 | Wyzard | bizkit: That would probably work... you can use debootstrap to install the base system, so you don't need the install CD or anything |
| 07:54.40 | Dewi | bizkit: sussudio has a point. it really does sound more and more like you need a microsoft solution |
| 07:54.49 | verbose | well, i used expert instead of linux26 but it gives me option when installing the base system to install 2.6.xx |
| 07:55.01 | mshade | bizkit, is the swap big enough to do that? |
| 07:55.07 | Wyzard | bizkit: You should probably run shred on the swap partition first, since it's been used by the system you're trying to wipe |
| 07:55.09 | bizkit | Wyzard: since i own some root servers and i don't want anyone restore any data which i stored over the years, even very private data |
| 07:55.17 | Wyzard | bizkit: (swapoff, then shred) |
| 07:55.17 | tag | ok |
| 07:55.19 | verbose | i tried installing 2.6.xx at one point but i later decided to try 2.4 |
| 07:55.25 | verbose | and that's where i am now |
| 07:55.29 | sether | verbose: install a kernel image through apt-get |
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| 07:55.42 | tag | well, whatever. This should work. It's not :-/ |
| 07:55.43 | Wyzard | "root servers" ? |
| 07:55.48 | Wyzard | I doubt you mean that in the DNS sense |
| 07:55.55 | verbose | well, i can't do that before i have debian running |
| 07:55.56 | simonrvn | Wyzard: my question exactly |
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| 07:56.03 | bob2 | tag: so, did you try it manually or not? |
| 07:56.05 | verbose | my pci modem is not compatible with linux |
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| 07:56.15 | peterS | verbose: true, most aren't |
| 07:56.25 | verbose | it's a winmodem |
| 07:56.26 | verbose | yes |
| 07:56.35 | tag | Yes |
| 07:56.37 | tag | of course I did |
| 07:56.40 | verbose | how do i specify the installation to install x? |
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| 07:56.57 | tag | as per the instructions, etc. The device is just not showing up. |
| 07:57.08 | bob2 | tag: what does dmesg say? |
| 07:57.14 | simonrvn | com'on updatedb, finish already you slow poke. i duh-realised today that moving the secondary drive to the 2940 uw card would speed things up... |
| 07:57.14 | bob2 | and obviously do not paste it in here |
| 07:57.27 | bizkit | Wyzard: hah. whatever you think i pay for them, i'm sorry about my bad english so here in germany we call rent servers "root servers" and pay for them |
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| 07:57.35 | verbose | i'm assuming the netinst cd install x by default... |
| 07:57.41 | simonrvn | else debhelper will give you a boot to the head |
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| 07:58.06 | Wyzard | bizkit: ah, ok... now I understand |
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| 07:58.08 | verbose | i'll try the linux26 boot option |
| 07:58.44 | bob2 | wow |
| 07:58.48 | bob2 | yay for ignoring advice |
| 07:59.24 | simonrvn | duh... |
| 07:59.28 | Wyzard | bizkit: In the future, you might want to consider using a separate filesystem for your sensitive data, so it can be easily unmounted and wiped |
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| 07:59.47 | Wyzard | bizkit: Also consider using encryption |
| 07:59.54 | MobyTurbo | bob2: what advice? (just got here) |
| 08:00.28 | bob2 | verbose |
| 08:00.33 | bizkit | Wyzard: why does everyone think evil when someone comes and asks for erasing a whole system without physical access... think about you have sensible data on remote discs and now you're going to upgrade to a better one so where does the old hardware go... |
| 08:01.09 | simonrvn | like most wasteful westerners, they'll toss it out to the trash |
| 08:01.31 | bizkit | i'm paranoid. :p |
| 08:01.38 | MobyTurbo | bob2: oh, I suppose it was because you weren't wordy enough for verbose, verbose requires "verbose advice" |
| 08:02.07 | tag | bob2: Actually, I did describe its output, but I did not paste it. Here it is s/\n/, / |
| 08:02.10 | peterS | maybe etch should have been called wordy. woody -> sarge -> wordy |
| 08:02.19 | tag | usb 2-1: new full speed USB device using uhci_hcd and address 4, prism2usb_init: prism2_usb.o: 0.2.1-pre26 Loaded, prism2usb_init: dev_info is: prism2_usb, usbcore: registered new driver prism2_usb |
| 08:02.40 | bob2 | that's not from when you manually loaded the module |
| 08:02.46 | MobyTurbo | peterS: or perhaps "worthy", only people who are "worthy" of running it can install. |
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| 08:03.25 | tag | bob2: Actually, it is. The first line was a kernel message saying I plugged it in, the rest are post modprobe prism2_usb |
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| 08:03.58 | Wyzard | bizkit: I didn't accuse you of doing something evil; I just wondered |
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| 08:04.16 | bob2 | tag: with the do_reset option or whatever it is? |
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| 08:06.31 | peterS | tag: note, when bob2 says "or whatever it is" he means you should run 'modinfo prism2_usb' to see what the parameters are, and pick the one closest to 'do_reset' if that one doesn't exist |
| 08:07.13 | verbose | using linux26 finally resolved the sata_sil problem but froze at 92% - Loading module 'sd_mod' for 'SCSI disk support'! |
| 08:07.26 | verbose | i don't know why |
| 08:07.27 | bizkit | Wyzard: the same questions always come if you ask anything with the info you have no physical access and want to erase data so if i'd ask for howto delete a file everyone would be joking but nobody would say there's a nice tool called 'rm'. same things about securing your own servers and trying to attack them by yourself since thats the best test i think.. no help in most cases :/ but too much jokes |
| 08:07.53 | verbose | is there a way to start linux26 in expert mode or something? |
| 08:08.00 | peterS | expert26 |
| 08:08.01 | bizkit | Wyzard: but thanks for your help anyways :-) |
| 08:08.08 | verbose | ah |
| 08:08.09 | verbose | thanks |
| 08:08.14 | verbose | so much i don't know |
| 08:08.19 | peterS | the same help screen that mentioned 'expert' should have mentioned 'expert26' as well |
| 08:08.21 | verbose | maybe this will fix it |
| 08:08.26 | verbose | ah |
| 08:08.39 | verbose | i wonder if this will resolve the sd_mod problem |
| 08:09.10 | verbose | or rather, allow me to skirt around it |
| 08:09.10 | starscalling | oh yeah |
| 08:09.30 | verbose | star: was that in response to my statement? |
| 08:09.45 | perapera | ;part |
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| 08:09.47 | starscalling | peterS, how do i configure locals i tried the sudo dpkg-reconfigure locales but that did not work >< |
| 08:10.27 | peterS | starscalling: what does "did not work" mean? |
| 08:10.27 | verbose | thanks peterS |
| 08:10.27 | simonrvn | i was just explaining it to him/her |
| 08:10.27 | starscalling | him |
| 08:10.27 | starscalling | XD |
| 08:10.37 | starscalling | something about my shells dot files.. sorry i know im totally lame |
| 08:11.10 | peterS | 'dpkg-reconfigure locales' affects the default locale you get when you log in, if you haven't made other arrangements on a per-user basis |
| 08:11.19 | peterS | but it only changes your default *after* you re-login |
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| 08:11.25 | tag | peterS: I did, I used prism2_doreset |
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| 08:11.54 | tag | peterS: which is why my output included prism2usb_init messages |
| 08:11.56 | simonrvn | i leave it to C, and set it on a per-user basis (or used to... still is i think) |
| 08:12.40 | simonrvn | but you have to "build" the locale files to support others |
| 08:12.42 | tag | peterS: and wlanctl-ng wlan0 lnxreq_ifstate ifstate=enable still says no such device. |
| 08:13.03 | peterS | tag: see, I know nothing about wireless drivers or interfaces. I was just filling in something bob2 didn't make explicit |
| 08:14.59 | tag | well, this is supposed to work, I see threads of mandrake users rockin' the same device... |
| 08:15.36 | bob2 | you're using the tarball from linux-wlan.org, right? |
| 08:16.12 | starscalling | simonrvn, would there be any adverse effects or dangers of just leaving those iso's mounted during a reboot? |
| 08:16.33 | tag | yeah |
| 08:16.35 | tag | I am |
| 08:17.05 | simonrvn | which ISOs? |
| 08:17.30 | starscalling | the iso's of the debian install i had installed on the boxes |
| 08:17.42 | starscalling | i had to dl those and mount to get those first few files to make the rest go |
| 08:17.46 | starscalling | ;p |
| 08:17.58 | starscalling | and hell no that was not my idea though its a dam great one |
| 08:19.01 | simonrvn | nah, it'll umount them |
| 08:19.23 | starscalling | ok |
| 08:20.00 | starscalling | but for the future how do i unmount manually? |
| 08:20.03 | tag | interesting |
| 08:20.09 | tag | I'm reading something that says to use the atmel driver |
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| 08:21.38 | simonrvn | umount /path/to/mounted |
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| 08:23.56 | groton | has anyone a clue where the "Graphics Support" option is in the menuconfig? i compiled already three different kernels, and i always found it easily. now i cant. what could be the problem? :) |
| 08:23.56 | starscalling | thankyou simonrvn |
| 08:24.05 | simonrvn | s'ok |
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| 08:28.47 | simonrvn | groton: kernel version? |
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| 08:28.51 | groton | 2.4.27 |
| 08:29.00 | polok | more bash questions, does anyone know how to turn an array in bash into a string? |
| 08:29.18 | simonrvn | should be under drivers > video something |
| 08:30.53 | groton | simonrvn: under Device Drivers->Graphics Support, yes, but i see this on the 2.6.8 :) this is funny and strange :| |
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| 08:31.45 | iceap | Hi! Does anyone know is it possible to log all conversations on irssi? |
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| 08:31.48 | caphuso | polok: FOO="${foo[@]}" |
| 08:32.20 | caphuso | iceap: /set autolog on |
| 08:32.40 | polok | caphuso: the @ gets rid of spaces? if not I've got something similar |
| 08:32.47 | starscalling | hmm |
| 08:32.58 | starscalling | simonrvn, and peterS are yall into anime at all? |
| 08:33.07 | groton | simonrvn: i checked, there is not. i grabbed the kernel-source-2.4.27 package. Could anyone check also? |
| 08:33.21 | starscalling | if so and there is one your looking for just pm me with it and ill toss on one of my servers ;p |
| 08:33.27 | simonrvn | it's there, you're just missing it |
| 08:33.28 | starscalling | thanx again guys for the help !!!!! |
| 08:33.44 | groton | simonrvn: no, there is not, im not so dumb :) |
| 08:33.46 | simonrvn | not really, but i do appeciate it |
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| 08:34.01 | caphuso | polok: err, what? |
| 08:34.02 | starscalling | my only other thing is to find soemthing that will log the bandwidth that i use to a file say every 5 minutes or so |
| 08:34.07 | simonrvn | groton: it is. not under that section, but it's in there |
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| 08:34.24 | starscalling | im testing iptraf atm |
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| 08:38.17 | groton | simonrvn: i simply cant find it :\ |
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| 08:38.33 | simonrvn | hold on |
| 08:39.11 | tzafrir | starscalling, ntop? |
| 08:39.42 | simonrvn | ntop leaks mem |
| 08:39.47 | simonrvn | otherwise it's ok |
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| 08:41.19 | starscalling | um |
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| 08:41.31 | starscalling | fetch ntop 2.4.30 ? |
| 08:41.45 | starscalling | ok ill check out in a bit bbiab guys and thanx again |
| 08:42.07 | kjparker | well, my distupgrade to sarge is running right now.... |
| 08:42.24 | kjparker | keep getting tx error's on my nick though |
| 08:42.35 | simonrvn | uh, no, linux kernel... |
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| 08:43.45 | kjparker | getting " eth0: transmit timed out" |
| 08:43.51 | kjparker | it restarts though.... |
| 08:44.13 | tal | which is the tool to add/remove daemons on boot? |
| 08:44.50 | MobyTurbo | tal: man update-rc.d |
| 08:45.02 | michal_ | dd if=openwrt-wrt54gs-jffs2.bin of=openwrt.gz bs=60 iseek=1 oseek=0 |
| 08:45.03 | michal_ | dd: unrecognized option `iseek'=`1' |
| 08:45.05 | tal | thanks moby |
| 08:45.17 | michal_ | if there's no iseek then how could i achieve the same thing? |
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| 10:09.51 | peterS | actually a *lot* of apt-get features are not present. just the main ones of downloading, upgrading, removing things |
| 10:10.31 | paulswm | aptitude can occasionally be overenthusiastic in wanting to remove stuff it regards as 'unused', though |
| 10:11.07 | peterS | paulswm: only if you incorrectly try to game the dependency system |
| 10:11.08 | war- | http://lists.debian.org/debian-user/2000/02/msg00049.html <- That is the problem I am having, no fix though ?:( |
| 10:11.08 | paulswm | But, in balance, I much prefer it |
| 10:11.35 | peterS | paulswm: for instance, if you "know" that x-window-system is just a metapackage, and thus you "should" be able to install then immediately uninstall it, leaving the real packages there |
| 10:11.36 | b00 | err, to down grade a package, can I just force to install that deb ? |
| 10:11.47 | peterS | b00: sure, use dpkg -i |
| 10:11.57 | b00 | peterS: ok |
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| 10:12.11 | paulswm | peterS: You are incirrect, my friend. I'd had it try to remove a bunch of stuff from a clean and relatively new sarge system on a dist-upgrade. Running an apt-get dist-upgrade seemed to return it to sanity. |
| 10:13.28 | peterS | paulswm: well, I haven't run into that, but it's possible. dist-upgrade is surprisingly complex to implement, such that different tools do different things |
| 10:14.04 | peterS | paulswm: gaming the dep system *is* something I find occasionally annoying about aptitude. sometimes I want to say "install this metapackage, then remove it so I can remove just one or two of its dependencies". aptitude doesn't make this easy |
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| 10:16.36 | michal_ | this samba problem is about to make me go apeshit.. looks like i have to try formatting and reinstalling debian.. nothing else has worked :/ |
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| 10:17.15 | peterS | michal_: there's almost nothing debian-specific about samba. you should be able to reconfigure it as an independent entity |
| 10:17.38 | michal_ | peters: sure.. but it spontaenously stopped working and even pruing and restoring it doesn't fix the problem |
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| 10:18.28 | peterS | michal_: samba has a highly sophisticated logging system. you can crank the detail up as far as you want. |
| 10:18.46 | peterS | if something about it has ceased to function, the logs will generally give enough clues to nail it |
| 10:19.13 | michal_ | peterS: that's not the problem.. the problem is it seems to be lying. keeps saying that the password is wrong.. even though it hadn't changed.. and even setting it again doesn't help |
| 10:19.36 | michal_ | where does samba keeep encrypted passwords? i want to make sure i delete all the config files |
| 10:19.56 | peterS | michal_: depends on how you have it set up. via ldap, or via a smbpasswd file, or via a tdb file, or what |
| 10:20.09 | michal_ | tdb as far as i can tell.. that seems to be the default |
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| 10:20.24 | paulswm | peterS: I've seen it happen on two sarge installations, but only twice in the two years I've been using aptitude, and I agree, I'm constantly amazed that the package dependency thing works so well. |
| 10:20.36 | rj | caphuso: do i still need to patch 2.6.x kernels with cramfs patch to use initrd? |
| 10:20.38 | peterS | some tdb file under /var/lib/samba/ then. I forget which. |
| 10:20.49 | michal_ | that whole directory structure can go |
| 10:21.02 | michal_ | hmm.. it already has with a purge |
| 10:22.06 | tarzeau | anyone play #bub-n-bros http://bub-n-bros.sf.net with me now? |
| 10:22.39 | war- | Anyone know why in Sarge after logrotate rotates my logs, it makes the CURRENT log, messages.0 instead of messages? like this guys problem -> http://lists.debian.org/debian-user/2000/02/msg00049.html |
| 10:22.41 | michal_ | ok.. the purge seems to have really purged samba.. let's try again |
| 10:23.41 | michal_ | ok.. this is odd |
| 10:23.53 | michal_ | where can I paste something weird about samba installation? |
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| 10:24.22 | michal_ | i think it may be the key to whatever the bug is |
| 10:24.22 | starscalling | hmm |
| 10:24.27 | starscalling | how do i stop ntop ? |
| 10:24.38 | starscalling | i looked at its commands and didnt see it >><< |
| 10:25.26 | crackhead | peterS : I've used aptitude to install x, but I need to run the configuration again...how can I do that |
| 10:25.30 | ethics | starscalling: it's a daemon so you can /etc/init.d/ntop stop |
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| 10:26.06 | michal_ | seems that samba is currently broken for all intents and purposes in sid |
| 10:26.34 | starscalling | ahhh |
| 10:26.35 | peterS | crackhead: dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xfree86 |
| 10:26.44 | starscalling | apparently when i installed it it didnt start a log >? |
| 10:26.47 | starscalling | >< |
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| 10:27.46 | starscalling | hmm |
| 10:27.49 | michal_ | ie.. it's IMPOSSIBLE to create a valid password file.. or at least that's what it looks like |
| 10:27.49 | starscalling | that didnt work |
| 10:27.57 | starscalling | apparently it wasnt running >< |
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| 10:28.20 | michal_ | TDBSAM version too old (0), trying to convert it. |
| 10:28.20 | michal_ | TDBSAM converted successfully. |
| 10:28.20 | michal_ | account_policy_get: tdb_fetch_uint32 failed for field 1 (min password length), returning 0 |
| 10:28.28 | crackhead | clear |
| 10:28.28 | crackhead | ls |
| 10:28.33 | michal_ | etc, etc, etc for what looks like all the fields |
| 10:28.33 | vekpos | hello! how can i disable the function in gnome, that nautilus opens a new window for every folder? |
| 10:28.42 | trueno | caphuso: Thanks for the xfree86-driver-synaptic hint. Now I'll go and recompile the kernel (I did not have the EVDEV compiled in) |
| 10:29.03 | paulswm | war-: I'm running sarge, and I can confirm that for five boxes it is working correctly. |
| 10:29.25 | vekpos | ? |
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| 10:31.07 | michal_ | anyone know why ftp over a gigabit ethernet connection would max out at 13mb/s from a linux host but 40mb/s from a windows host? |
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| 10:32.09 | trueno | michal_: What about the hw of the two computers? |
| 10:32.14 | paulswm | michal_: just plain _unencrypted_ ftp from both? |
| 10:32.15 | trueno | linux/win |
| 10:32.34 | michal_ | yes.. same hardware.. unencrypted |
| 10:32.53 | Tallia1 | hi!! :) i wanna ask you a thing.. i'm a newbie of kubuntu.. there's a way to autoexec an application on kde launch??!? |
| 10:32.54 | trueno | no clue then :-( |
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| 10:33.18 | war- | paulswm: hmm |
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| 10:33.26 | paulswm | michal_: I guess it depends what's running, the network routing, etc |
| 10:33.38 | michal_ | nothing really. |
| 10:33.39 | war- | paulswm: I have 3 deb boxes here, it only happens on one of them, when I try to apt-get --purge remove logrotate, it tries to remove a lot of other pkgs |
| 10:33.44 | war- | paulswm: how to fix ? |
| 10:33.44 | michal_ | it's a direct connection over a gigabit switch |
| 10:33.59 | war- | michael1234: use NFS or Samba |
| 10:34.03 | war- | michael1234: and tweak them |
| 10:34.09 | michal_ | well samba doesn't work like i said earlier |
| 10:34.16 | paulswm | war-: I don't know, compare the logrotate configs is where I'd start |
| 10:34.16 | war- | michael1234: NFS linux<->linux I get 60-112mb/s burst, 55mb/s sustained |
| 10:34.21 | michal_ | nfs is impractical for windows |
| 10:34.22 | war- | pau4o: exact same md5sums |
| 10:34.26 | war- | michael1234: samba for windows |
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| 10:34.56 | war- | michael1234: there are tweaks you can run, butif you have a slow hdd in your linux box it is not going to help you ;) |
| 10:35.05 | michal_ | same hardware |
| 10:35.07 | michal_ | same machine |
| 10:35.11 | michal_ | different os |
| 10:35.16 | war- | michael1234: don't use TCP(ftp) |
| 10:35.19 | war- | michael1234: try samba/nfs |
| 10:35.33 | michal_ | i repeat for the third time.. samba does not work.. at all. |
| 10:35.54 | michal_ | it broke and now i might as well format and reinstall debian to see if it makes a difference |
| 10:35.59 | michal_ | but i can't do that tonight :/ |
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| 10:36.12 | war- | paulswm: http://www.debian-administration.org/?article=117 according to that it should never make a .0 |
| 10:36.20 | war- | michael1234: wow, ok |
| 10:36.38 | Ketchup | when i apt-get a package where can i find it back after |
| 10:36.46 | paulswm | war-: it's michal_ !!!!! |
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| 10:37.13 | crackhead | peterS : kinda strange...my vim and sudo comand are gone |
| 10:37.30 | michal_ | war: thanks for pointing out http://www.debian-administration.org/ though.. |
| 10:37.40 | crackhead | peterS : they disappeared after I used aptitude |
| 10:37.50 | paulswm | war-: *shrug* |
| 10:37.55 | Ketchup | how can i set up my numpad, i did put my keyboard in azerty mode but i don't how to have the numpad working |
| 10:37.55 | crackhead | would that effect anything? |
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| 10:38.34 | OleMoudi | how can I edit which daemons/services start at boot ? |
| 10:38.50 | michal_ | war: what makes you think samab would be faster for file transfers than ftp? |
| 10:39.00 | paulswm | war-: maybe it has to do with logrotate setup (the numbering), i don't mess with it too much |
| 10:39.12 | michal_ | s/samab/samba |
| 10:39.53 | IDC | is 1 english letter = 1 character ? |
| 10:40.00 | paulswm | samba is slower than nfs, I believe |
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| 10:40.25 | IDC | so for example 'ab' should contain 2 'characters' ? ,is this concept correct ? |
| 10:40.26 | war- | paulswm: can you paste it in http://rafb.net/paste/ |
| 10:40.35 | war- | michael1234: it is UDP |
| 10:40.41 | michal_ | windows doesn't have any decent free nfs support though |
| 10:40.57 | war- | michal_: UDP is much faster than TCP because there is no overhead |
| 10:41.01 | paulswm | war-: You have other boxes to compare against |
| 10:41.05 | war- | michal, actually it does |
| 10:41.09 | war- | michale, windows services for unix |
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| 10:41.37 | michal_ | war: are you sure you don't mean unix services for windows? |
| 10:41.46 | war- | err, yea, 3.0 |
| 10:41.49 | war- | or 3.5 now. |
| 10:42.26 | jethro | moin |
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| 10:43.05 | michal_ | jesus christ |
| 10:43.09 | michal_ | you have to register to download |
| 10:43.57 | paulswm | michal_: there is an NFS server for cygwin, not tried it though: http://www.csparks.com/CygwinNFS/index.xml |
| 10:44.54 | michal_ | 228megs for this |
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| 10:45.12 | michal_ | i can download an entire linux distribution smaller than that :/ |
| 10:45.20 | tal | whats courier-authdaemon? it's in my rc2.d |
| 10:45.33 | paulswm | michal_: you don't have a high speed connection? |
| 10:45.40 | war- | he is in austrilia |
| 10:45.42 | war- | they have isdn there |
| 10:45.49 | war- | and limit to 3GB per month |
| 10:46.04 | michal_ | i do as of today (after 5 years of trying) but that's still friggin HUGE just to get an nfs client |
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| 10:46.23 | michal_ | it's not quite that bad |
| 10:46.33 | war- | with telstra I hear it is |
| 10:46.37 | paulswm | michal_: Well, I only mentioned it to try to help out. |
| 10:46.42 | michal_ | not anymore.. but it's still the only country in the worl without all you can eat downloads |
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| 10:47.17 | sussudio | wanggg |
| 10:47.44 | michal_ | war: this had better include an nfs client :P or i'll hunt you down and beat you to death with my smelly socks. |
| 10:47.54 | paulswm | michal_: No, there was a guy from Dubai here a few days ago, UAE has similar limits, government controlled. |
| 10:47.56 | piantux | hello everybody |
| 10:48.10 | war- | "Windows Services for UNIX 3.5 Features... Windows Services for UNIX 3.5 includes performance enhancements and new features. ... Client for NFS now uses directory caching at the client, ..." |
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| 10:48.46 | piantux | how to compile the kernel 2.6.8.2,please? |
| 10:48.48 | peterS | SFU is such an odd name. it's really 'services *from* unix' or 'services emulating unix' |
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| 10:49.01 | drac | piantux: There is no kernel called 2.6.8.2 anywhere. |
| 10:49.13 | ethics | piantux: why do you need to compile your own? |
| 10:49.14 | piantux | ehh! |
| 10:49.29 | michal_ | it's microsoft's in joke.. probabbly means Shut the Fuck Up |
| 10:49.33 | ethics | piantux, there are 2.6.8 in apt atm |
| 10:49.39 | michal_ | which is their attitude to linus/unix |
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| 10:49.59 | michal_ | should nfs be better than smb ? |
| 10:50.04 | piantux | and how to compile it to have a faster machine |
| 10:50.13 | war- | michale, I think it is faster, yes |
| 10:50.20 | michal_ | war: you've used this nfs client? |
| 10:50.21 | war- | michale, (from my benchmarks anyway) |
| 10:50.24 | war- | micahel, nope |
| 10:50.28 | war- | michal, I use samba on windows |
| 10:50.32 | war- | micahel, and nfs<->nfs linux |
| 10:50.48 | michal_ | i wish samba worked :/ |
| 10:50.56 | war- | samba only takes like 3 seconds to setup |
| 10:50.57 | michal_ | that's what i've been using for years |
| 10:50.59 | war- | works great |
| 10:51.09 | michal_ | samba does not work in sid |
| 10:51.12 | piantux | is there somebody who talks french here? |
| 10:51.15 | war- | ah I use sarge |
| 10:51.19 | michal_ | fullstop.. impossible to login.. authentication is broken |
| 10:51.27 | peterS | war-: you weren't watching the channel earlier, were you? michal_ has had no end of problems getting samba to work again |
| 10:51.37 | war- | petemc: nope, just came in recently |
| 10:51.49 | peterS | piantux: yes but you should try #debian-fr instead |
| 10:52.03 | piantux | ah ok |
| 10:52.18 | war- | michael1234: you could always compile your own |
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| 10:52.31 | piantux | thank you |
| 10:52.48 | michal_ | war: no thanks. i bet some libs are at fault.. the problem is not with the samba binaries |
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| 10:53.46 | michal_ | samba broke yesterday and samba hasn't changed in what looks like almost a month |
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| 10:54.11 | michal_ | 18 Apr 2005 to be precise |
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| 10:54.27 | michal_ | therefore some other package has changed and this has broken samba authentication |
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| 10:55.34 | vekpos | hi! whats the command to shut the computer down in gnome? |
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| 10:56.19 | paulswm | vekpos: logout on the Actions menu, if shut down is not an option you need to configure it |
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| 10:57.03 | vekpos | i want to set a special key on my keyboard... |
| 10:57.08 | oldboy | what is the best windows manager |
| 10:57.13 | paulswm | !best |
| 10:57.14 | dpkg | best for what? please define what you mean by "best" Gloria Gaynor! Tina Turner! Aretha Franklin! Men without Hats! Women without Hats! Men at Work! Women at Play! Anyone for Tennis! |
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| 11:00.23 | Ketchup | there's no make in debian??? |
| 11:00.26 | vekpos | uhm.... and does anyone know a command to set the volume down? but not with aumix -v -1 or something like this... |
| 11:00.47 | joris | vekpos: run aumix without parameters for a gui approach |
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| 11:01.06 | dmesg | Ketchup: what about apt-get install make ? |
| 11:01.22 | vekpos | i dont want to use aumix, there are problems with my 4.1-system |
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| 11:01.36 | vekpos | so im searching for an alternate command |
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| 11:01.49 | joris | vekpos: there are tons of other audio mixers, but the problem meight be higher up |
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| 11:01.57 | Ketchup | said E: invalid operation install <dmesg> |
| 11:02.04 | bahamonitor | oiii |
| 11:02.13 | Ketchup | apt-get search make doens't find anything |
| 11:02.40 | Ketchup | sorry did find it :) |
| 11:02.41 | bahamonitor | can someone tell me what is the latest kernell I heard there is a 2.8 but I dont see it on kernel.org page |
| 11:02.43 | dmesg | hmmm |
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| 11:02.46 | dmesg | :) |
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| 11:02.54 | joris | Ketchup: try this: apt-get install apt-file; apt-file update;apt-file search bin/make |
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| 11:03.38 | starscalling | hmm |
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| 11:03.52 | starscalling | is it possible to have more than one putty session open wiht the same server? |
| 11:03.56 | vekpos | but isnt there a commant to set the normal volume for gnome...? theres a speaker-sybol on top right of my desktop... |
| 11:03.57 | starscalling | i e |
| 11:03.59 | Ketchup | thx joris, worked |
| 11:04.04 | starscalling | are there other ports it can use? |
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| 11:04.42 | kullanici | hi |
| 11:04.48 | peterS | starscalling: only port 22 unless you set up another instance yourself |
| 11:05.12 | starscalling | another incoming instance you mean like i need to set up another port? |
| 11:05.16 | starscalling | how do i do so |
| 11:05.24 | kullanici | i can listen music via xmms and tvtime play tv channels but there isn't sound with tvtime.. |
| 11:05.25 | peterS | starscalling: no need. just continue to connect to port 22 |
| 11:05.27 | starscalling | i wanna make sure i really fixed that server before i log off |
| 11:05.29 | kullanici | what can be problem? |
| 11:05.31 | Kerr | ergh... |
| 11:05.34 | starscalling | hehe |
| 11:06.10 | Kerr | tryig to mount sda1, fdisk shows it, /dev/sda1 * 1 248 7920 1 FAT12 and it's in fstab, worked before... yet i get told mount: special device /dev/sda1 does not exist |
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| 11:06.15 | carlinhos_brown | hola |
| 11:06.17 | Kerr | any idea what is wrong? |
| 11:06.33 | piantux | please what does mean you have kikced by |
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| 11:06.44 | kullanici | anyone help me please? |
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| 11:07.00 | carlinhos_brown | hola |
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| 11:09.09 | piantux | <PROTECTED> |
| 11:09.10 | piantux | piantux amule: Dépend: libwxgtk2.5.3 (>= 2.5.3.2) mais il n'est pas installable |
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| 11:09.18 | piantux | so how to install it? |
| 11:09.38 | saloxin | piantux: #debian-fr ? |
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| 11:10.02 | piantux | doesn't works! |
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| 11:12.10 | saloxin | piantux: http://bugs.debian.org/amule -> bug is known |
| 11:12.11 | yahalom | can someone plz help me configure rp-pppoe? |
| 11:12.24 | piantux | please how to install amule ? it doesnt like to be installed on my machine |
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| 11:12.45 | cafuego | yahalom: run pppoeconfig |
| 11:12.46 | piantux | problems of dependences |
| 11:12.46 | saloxin | piantux: try the version in sarge? stay away from sid unlesswilling to fix bugs |
| 11:12.51 | vekpos | whats the command to set gnome-volume-control louder? coudnt find it with google |
| 11:13.04 | piantux | i'm on sarge |
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| 11:13.24 | yahalom | cafuego: command not found. ppeoe is installed. |
| 11:13.27 | saloxin | ew. broken package in sarge.. not good |
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| 11:13.49 | ripsnorter | hi anyone use gdesklets here? |
| 11:13.49 | yahalom | cafuego: i tried adsl-setup, but it doesnt work, it says its connected, but isnt |
| 11:13.49 | piantux | <PROTECTED> |
| 11:13.50 | piantux | piantux amule: Dépend: libwxgtk2.5.3 (>= 2.5.3.2) mais il n'est pas installable |
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| 11:14.01 | cafuego | yahalom: apt-get install pppoeconf; pppoeconf |
| 11:14.08 | piantux | libwxgtk.. |
| 11:14.16 | yahalom | cafuego: typo thanx :) |
| 11:14.19 | piantux | ? what's this library? |
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| 11:17.29 | starscalling | ripsnorter what cha need with that? |
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| 11:18.10 | piantux | is there anybody how to force the installation of a package |
| 11:18.15 | ripsnorter | ever since I upgraded bubble fish monitor don't work |
| 11:18.31 | starscalling | oi |
| 11:18.47 | starscalling | dont know that much i just use the ones that go in the um taskbar things |
| 11:18.50 | ripsnorter | stupid I know but it looks kinda kwel |
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| 11:19.18 | idealbsd | piantux, dpkg --force-overwrite *.deb |
| 11:19.20 | ripsnorter | I also get an error in line 9 message on startup |
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| 11:20.25 | resiak | ripsnorter: What doesn't work about it? |
| 11:20.50 | ripsnorter | the duck stays at the bottom of the screen |
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| 11:21.20 | vekpos | i can set the volume of gnome-volume to 0 with [strg+m] - so there must be a direct command for this |
| 11:21.22 | resiak | ripsnorter: You mean, the water doesn't rise? |
| 11:21.34 | resiak | vekpos: Look at aumix |
| 11:21.41 | ripsnorter | thats a better way of putting it :) |
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| 11:21.52 | vekpos | dont wanna use aumix :( |
| 11:22.01 | paulswm | Whew, I though the poor duck was drowning. |
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| 11:24.07 | ripsnorter | either that or the update uses memory better ;) |
| 11:25.39 | resiak | ripsnorter: *shrug* My bubblefishymon works just fine.; |
| 11:25.49 | resiak | ripsnorter: Run it from a console, see if it spits out any errors. |
| 11:26.15 | hoe | I've got sarge desktop box 'A' installed from inet /pkgs updated this night/ and want second box 'B', after the minimal install from net-cd, to be installed using already downloaded pkgs in 'A' box's /var/cache/apt/archives/; tried just to copy all pkgs into B box's /var/..archive but they still got dwnloaded from inet, also tried file: and copy: in sources.list, but since the /var/...archives doesn't have the structure of mirror /pool dir &co/ no results too |
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| 11:27.23 | ripsnorter | no errors in the consol |
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| 11:28.03 | ripsnorter | just the dialogue box with the line 9 message |
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| 11:31.12 | thomas_adam | !tell hoe -about debain clone |
| 11:31.44 | thomas_adam | !tell hoe -about debian clone |
| 11:32.02 | thomas_adam | hoe: Read that, and you should be OK, providing your earlier attempts haven't shafted anything. |
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| 11:33.28 | daft | apt thats no longer 100% accurate becose of user mode linux :) |
| 11:34.03 | hoe | thomas_adam: I just want to install some of pkgs from A on B, not to clone whole system, but thank you anyway |
| 11:34.29 | thomas_adam | hoe: Really? Well, goto machine B, and type: apt-get install pkg1 pkg2 pkg3 |
| 11:34.36 | resiak | ripsnorter: "line 9 message"? |
| 11:34.58 | Talazar | would need help installing debian (i r windows noob sofar) |
| 11:35.17 | piantux | windows is the best!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! |
| 11:35.24 | piantux | fuck linux!!!!!!!!! |
| 11:35.30 | resiak | !sing sunday |
| 11:35.31 | dpkg | Everyday is like sunday... Everyday the tards come to play... |
| 11:35.45 | daft | hoe: deb file:/yourplacewithyourdebs stable main |
| 11:35.48 | piantux | fe chier linux de merde |
| 11:35.50 | ripsnorter | yes thats what I get, I just got more info |
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| 11:36.11 | daft | hoe: what if you add that to sources.list |
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| 11:36.16 | amichai | great my adsl works. one thing. it gets stuck at ntp synchronization, as if its not connecting, but finallay when it gives up checking and loads up i'm connected, any ideas? |
| 11:37.27 | thomas_adam | Talazar: What's with the /msg's ? |
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| 11:38.06 | Talazar | thomas_adam: it's for well...seeing, hopefully understanding, and maybe even helping...me :D |
| 11:38.22 | thomas_adam | Talazar: Well, see what dpkg just told you. |
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| 11:38.35 | MobyTurbo | Talazar: /topic |
| 11:38.40 | hoe | daft: this didn't work, since copied /var/...archive insn't valid archive of pkgs with 'packages'&co files |
| 11:38.42 | ripsnorter | attributeerror: nonetype object has no attribute 'get_properties' |
| 11:38.49 | thomas_adam | Talazar: I don't mind helping you providing you adhere to the rules, rather than pouncing on me out of desperation. |
| 11:39.07 | thomas_adam | hoe: :| |
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| 11:39.24 | thomas_adam | hoe: How many packages are we talking that you want on Machine B? |
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| 11:39.59 | daft | hoe you can install them manualy with dpkg -8 yourdebs |
| 11:40.04 | daft | hoe you can install them manualy with dpkg -i yourdebs |
| 11:40.05 | daft | : |
| 11:40.06 | daft | s |
| 11:40.14 | thomas_adam | daft: Shush now. |
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| 11:40.39 | hoe | thomas_adam: many - whole desktop stuff - kde&gnome, don't want to download again from net, when they are already on box A |
| 11:40.49 | hoe | daft: that's sad solution |
| 11:41.06 | thomas_adam | hoe: No internet connectivity? |
| 11:41.11 | trueno | What does "make menuconfig" need to work? "make config" works, but "make menuconfig" says it will use the default configuration and then exists, no chance to change anything. |
| 11:41.44 | thomas_adam | hoe: You don't have much choice in this situation -- you were really after something like apt-proxy (although broken), or squid. |
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| 11:42.00 | thomas_adam | trueno: libncurses5-dev, build-essential patch |
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| 11:43.32 | trueno | thomas_adam: mm... I will have a look. |
| 11:44.29 | Talazar | error when trying to install debian with a floppy: request_module[block-major-58]:Root fs not mounted, VFS: Cannot open root device 3a:05 |
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| 11:44.53 | ripsnorter | is anyone else having problems with sarge hanging on boot |
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| 11:45.08 | thomas_adam | ripsnorter: Can you be more specific? |
| 11:45.25 | thomas_adam | Talazar: How did you create the floppy? |
| 11:45.44 | trueno | thomas_adam: g++ g++-3.3 libstdc++5-3.3-dev build-essential g++-3.3 libncurses5-dev libstdc++5-3.3-dev are to be installed/upgraded. Is this correct? |
| 11:45.45 | ripsnorter | the last thing that it prints on the screen is usb |
| 11:45.52 | thomas_adam | trueno: Yes. |
| 11:45.54 | Talazar | NTRawrite thru boot.img file... |
| 11:46.13 | thomas_adam | ripsnorter: Is this pre or post a sarge install? |
| 11:46.16 | trueno | thomas_adam: thanks :-) |
| 11:47.31 | ripsnorter | well I ran the install about 4 months ago and I've been getting packages from testing ever since |
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| 11:47.49 | redhut | hallo |
| 11:48.57 | ripsnorter | I think I'm running 2.6.8 mp kernel |
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| 11:49.30 | zbychuk | ripsnorter: uname -a |
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| 11:49.39 | kamilmirza | !rules |
| 11:49.39 | dpkg | rules is, like, 1) Don't ask to ask. Just state your problem, 2) Don't repeat until 15 mins after, 3) Read and re-read the docs first, then admit it if you REALLY don't understand. You're wasting your time and ours if you haven't at least tried. 4) If your problem ain't solved, come back in 12 hrs or 24 hrs later. We're very international. 5) Be polite and patient. |
| 11:49.40 | kamilmirza | !list |
| 11:49.41 | dpkg | one warez list being sent |
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| 11:50.07 | Mage___ | !die |
| 11:50.07 | dpkg | I'll murder you mage___! Decapitate you and play snooker with your eyes! |
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| 11:50.20 | kullanici | hi.. |
| 11:50.24 | sussudio | CTCP VERSION reply from kamilmirza: mIRC v6.16 Khaled Mardam-Bey |
| 11:50.29 | kullanici | can i install java and flash support via apt-get ? |
| 11:50.30 | kamilmirza | !list |
| 11:50.31 | dpkg | one warez list being sent |
| 11:50.37 | hcy | anybody know of an app that's good at showing photos as a slideshow, like gthumb, except that it's smart enough to do it automatically, recursively, through the subdirectories as well? |
| 11:50.45 | sussudio | !foad |
| 11:50.46 | dpkg | rumour has it, foad is "fuck off and die". Considered by many to be impolite. |
| 11:50.55 | cbr | !list |
| 11:50.55 | dpkg | one warez list being sent |
| 11:51.01 | kamilmirza | !List |
| 11:51.01 | dpkg | one warez list being sent |
| 11:51.03 | lewis | anyone here ever got exim4 mailbox quotas working (the kind in /var/mail files)? [i have already asked in #exim to no avail] |
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| 11:51.24 | hoe | thomas_adam: apt-move is the solution |
| 11:51.24 | kullanici | hey |
| 11:51.25 | redhut | hat einer ne warez ftp liste? |
| 11:51.30 | kullanici | dpkg java |
| 11:51.30 | dpkg | a platform independent OO language. Server-side Java is extremely powerful due to the threads capabilities and the huge number of APIs available. On the other hand, Sun's Java licensing is extremely restrictive. Ask me about <java licensing> and <install java> and <sid mozilla java> (for starters). write once, run nowhere, or write once, run away |
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| 11:51.38 | thomas_adam | hoe: one solution. |
| 11:51.45 | kullanici | dpkg install java |
| 11:51.45 | dpkg | First, read <java licensing>. Still here? If you're in sarge or sid, ask me about <java-package>. If you're in woody, grab java-package manually from http://packages.debian.org/java-package and then ask me about <java-package> for instructions on how to use it. |
| 11:51.46 | trueno | !list |
| 11:51.46 | dpkg | one warez list being sent |
| 11:51.47 | tuxlon | hello |
| 11:52.01 | redhut | do u know a warez ftp server= |
| 11:52.03 | redhut | ? |
| 11:52.06 | trueno | help !list |
| 11:52.12 | kamilmirza | help |
| 11:52.14 | hoe | thomas_adam: the convenient one for me in the situation :) |
| 11:52.17 | kamilmirza | help !list |
| 11:52.17 | kullanici | dpkg java-package |
| 11:52.18 | dpkg | i guess java-package is the new name for mpkg-j2se... err, I mean j2se-package... DAMN IT, CAN'T THEY PICK A NAME?! Anyway, it lets you build a .deb file from Sun's non-free upstream Java distributions. See "man make-jpkg". Cf. "make-kpkg" (from kernel-package).only in sarge and sid currently, but it's a -all package, so it's safe to use it in woody. This packages lives in 'contrib', so make sure you have that in your sources.list. |
| 11:52.19 | lewis | thomas_adam: long time. always a pleasure to see you. i'm back asking about exim4 mail quotas - which i know you don't use |
| 11:52.26 | sussudio | kamilmirza: /server warez |
| 11:52.36 | redhut | hahah how funny |
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| 11:52.42 | cbr | when will gcc 3.4 be selectable as the default gcc in debian? |
| 11:52.49 | tuxlon | after an apt-get update, apt-get upgrade suddenly a few services (postfix, privoxy, mysql) don't start automatically on boot time |
| 11:53.03 | ripsnorter | 2.6.8-1-686-smp #1 SMP Thu Nov 25 04:55:00 UTC 2004 i686 |
| 11:53.11 | redhut | eMule is toooo slow |
| 11:53.16 | thomas_adam | lewis: Likewise, and yes, I don't. |
| 11:53.16 | redhut | it sux |
| 11:53.19 | hcy | <PROTECTED> |
| 11:53.25 | anhi | redhut: it's supposed to be |
| 11:53.33 | Mage___ | redhut: p2p sucks. |
| 11:53.39 | redhut | its illegal |
| 11:53.50 | Mage___ | omg |
| 11:53.54 | tuxlon | i've checked the links in /etc/rcX to /etc/init.d there isn't any missing |
| 11:53.56 | redhut | wat? |
| 11:54.00 | tuxlon | can someone help me? |
| 11:54.04 | redhut | i |
| 11:54.12 | redhut | cant help u |
| 11:54.25 | redhut | where toget warez |
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| 11:54.36 | Mage___ | tuxlon: try rcconf or update-rc.d |
| 11:54.36 | anhi | redhut: 127.0.0.1 |
| 11:54.52 | Mage___ | or dpkg-reconfigure <package> should add a link too |
| 11:55.00 | redhut | i hate warez, but i want to tell it to police |
| 11:55.14 | oomg | i have two users added.. user1 and user2.. user1 can visit the files in /home/user2 and user2 in /home/user1 ... how to disable that? |
| 11:55.32 | redhut | what is 127.0.0.1 |
| 11:55.33 | tuxlon | Mage___ rcconf and dpkg-reconfigure i've already tried |
| 11:55.34 | bbrazil | oomg: ls -ld /home/user1 ? |
| 11:55.46 | Mage___ | oomg: chown -R user2.user2 /home/user2 ; chmod -R 700 /home/user2 |
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| 11:55.54 | redhut | WHAT IS 127.0.0.1 |
| 11:55.55 | Mage___ | and chown -R user1.user1 /home/user1 ; chmod -R 700 /home/user1 |
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| 11:56.12 | cbr | does anybody know, when will gcc 3.4 be selectable as the default gcc in debian? |
| 11:56.23 | Mage___ | cbr: when it's ready |
| 11:56.30 | cbr | it's been ready for months |
| 11:56.33 | cbr | and stable |
| 11:56.35 | oomg | Mage___: ty |
| 11:56.45 | cbr | they are already making 4.0 |
| 11:56.46 | redhut | beta out now, or |
| 11:56.49 | hoe | how do I just download the pkg, not wanting install it? |
| 11:56.54 | tuxlon | Mage___ to do an update-rc.d. To i have to do it with -f ? |
| 11:57.07 | Mage___ | tuxlon: yes probably |
| 11:57.08 | drac | cbr: right, tried kernel compiled with 3.4, and it was NOT definately stable. |
| 11:57.22 | bbrazil | hoe: type apt-get and look at the output |
| 11:57.23 | cbr | drac: i have compiled tens of kernels with 3.4 |
| 11:57.26 | cbr | and IT IS stable |
| 11:57.27 | cbr | and faster |
| 11:57.49 | drac | faster, and more unstable. freezes whole machine, same kernel with 3.3 is fine. |
| 11:57.50 | hoe | bbrazil: searched through its manpage before the quiestion, silly |
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| 11:58.06 | bbrazil | hoe: I see the option |
| 11:58.06 | cbr | they could atleast enable a way to choose it as default if you like to.. atm you can install 3.4 but the binaries have to be linked by hand |
| 11:58.10 | cbr | that's not clean imho |
| 11:58.48 | cbr | i'd like an ability to choose atleast |
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| 11:59.05 | hoe | bbrazil: the first mentioned, ou |
| 11:59.21 | amichai | how do i get my isp from not overwriting my resolv.conf with its slow dns servers? |
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| 12:00.30 | smhar | anyone following debian list can give a possibel date for sarge release? |
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| 12:00.44 | resiak | !topicsmite smhar |
| 12:00.44 | dpkg | And the wrath of /TOPIC descended with terrible fury upon smhar. And all the people marveled, saying, Behold, we too should read the /TOPIC, lest we be stricken. And all the people read the /TOPIC, and went away edified. |
| 12:01.07 | resiak | amichai: Have you got resolvconf installed? If so, remove it. |
| 12:01.30 | idealbsd | amichai, apt-get install dnsmasq |
| 12:01.55 | amichai | resiak: dont know. i edited /etc/dhcp3/dhcp.conf and addeds dns |
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| 12:02.02 | amichai | idealbsd: what does that do? |
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| 12:02.27 | idealbsd | amichai, dnsmasq 2.22-2 A small caching DNS proxy and DHCP server |
| 12:02.52 | amichai | idealbsd: that will stop my isp from overwriting my dns entries? |
| 12:02.54 | Juergio | hallo |
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| 12:03.24 | n0dez | smhar, may 30th |
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| 12:04.17 | amichai | idealbsd: my isps dns servers are slow, so i am using one in orlando, but it keeps on getting overwritten |
| 12:05.08 | hoe | bbrazil: but the line 'The following NEW packages will be installed' even after including -d scared me |
| 12:05.47 | idealbsd | amichai, no, but you can add faster dns to dnsmasq and the sites you've visted will be faster |
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| 12:08.01 | smhar | n0dez, in my brother's clinic I replaced the windows computers with and some programmers are developing a clinic management using kylix and mysql (I don't like this idea but it was not my decision).. butevery time a mandrake update or upgrade is done the system breaks down.. so I was thinking or replacing it with debian stable.. but woody is .... so I want to put sarge there |
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| 12:08.14 | amichai | idealbsd: nice thanx |
| 12:08.48 | resiak | smhar: So do so. What's the big deal? |
| 12:09.06 | idealbsd | amichai, welcome :) |
| 12:09.53 | n0dez | smhar, you can install sarge now. |
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| 12:11.45 | kullanici | dpkg install java |
| 12:11.45 | dpkg | First, read <java licensing>. Still here? If you're in sarge or sid, ask me about <java-package>. If you're in woody, grab java-package manually from http://packages.debian.org/java-package and then ask me about <java-package> for instructions on how to use it. |
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| 12:12.00 | thomas_adam | kullanici: /msg the bot, would you? |
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| 12:12.52 | smhar | resiak, I prefer the idea of putting the 'stable' system there there, I am using testing in my home. but for the clinic I would prefer the sable version |
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| 12:14.45 | K_Dallas | Hi guys! I know it has nothing to do with Debian but no one else seems to be willing to answer so i thought maybe you could help me, thanks. Got CDs of 50MB size and need to burn stuuf on it. Which burner under linux could do it because they do not recognize it as 50MB CDs. |
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| 12:16.51 | thomas_adam | K_Dallas: cdrecord |
| 12:18.00 | K_Dallas | thomas_adam: even if it says it is a 700MB CD? |
| 12:18.25 | thomas_adam | K_Dallas: Sure. The size of the ISO will still fit on it. |
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| 12:18.46 | K_Dallas | ok, thank you very much |
| 12:18.47 | JohnnyST | Is it so that putting /tmp on a separate partition is a good idea from security point of view, and in such case why? |
| 12:19.43 | bbrazil | JohnnyST: if it fills up your / isn't filled up |
| 12:19.48 | michal_ | is there some sort of ideal way to export an nfs share for normal usage? |
| 12:20.07 | idnar | dpkg: IANALIAJ? |
| 12:20.20 | michal_ | also.. which of the nfs server is the best to use? |
| 12:20.47 | michal_ | user or kernel? |
| 12:21.21 | bbrazil | michal_: not the linux one from what I hear. The user one is meant to be a bit better |
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| 12:25.52 | michal_ | hmm.. how can i check if a share is exported? |
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| 12:26.39 | michal_ | there is no exportfs command |
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| 12:27.42 | michal_ | ahh.. i naively assumed nfs-common would be installed with either server |
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| 12:28.28 | michal_ | this is extremely confusing :/ |
| 12:28.34 | michal_ | still no exportfs |
| 12:28.46 | michal_ | might try the kernel server |
| 12:29.25 | E-bola | Do anybody have experience with loop-aes? Im trying to see if its possible to encrypt my drives without having to wipe them |
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| 12:30.21 | doub | hi there |
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| 12:31.50 | airco | i'm playing around with scripting a bit but i can't seem to get my syntax right; i know there's a single file on my system called moreverb.sty, i want to open that in vim by saying "for i in 'locate moreverb'; vim $i; done;" but that doesn't quite cut it... any ideas? :-) |
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| 12:32.49 | michal_ | nfs sucks :/ |
| 12:32.59 | bbrazil | airco: backticks |
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| 12:33.06 | abrocadabro | michal_: did you find exportfs? |
| 12:33.20 | michal_ | yes.. but it's only part of the kernel server not the user server |
| 12:34.03 | michal_ | not that i can get it to work anyway.. |
| 12:34.07 | trc | anyone knows a fix for this bug for fluxbox? http://bugs.debian.org/cgi-bin/bugreport.cgi?bug=308052 |
| 12:34.19 | abrocadabro | michal_: what do you want to do ? |
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| 12:34.35 | ildegar | where can I remove the trash-box icon from desktop in kde? |
| 12:34.37 | airco | bbrazil: heh, thanx :-) |
| 12:34.42 | michal_ | export a filesystem.. /home/michal *.michal(rw) |
| 12:34.47 | michal_ | going to just try *(rw) |
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| 12:35.59 | abrocadabro | michal_: do you want to share /home/michal as NFS to other clients? |
| 12:36.11 | michal_ | yes |
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| 12:38.58 | m4lu6 | good grief. anybody have a clue where gnome-terminal's "profile" data is stored? |
| 12:39.36 | abrocadabro | michal_: this is a good point to start, http://gentoo-wiki.com/HOWTO_Share_Directories_via_NFS |
| 12:40.00 | drac | apt-get saying: E: Internal Error, Could not perform immediate configuration (2) on zlib1g |
| 12:40.00 | drac | Any idea what that is all about? |
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| 12:41.30 | abrocadabro | drac: that means your gzip is not working I think |
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| 12:42.32 | michal_ | abrocadabro, problem is i'm trying to mount from windows |
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| 12:43.38 | mtnman | \ |
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| 12:44.41 | abrocadabro | michal_: do you have NFS client support in windows? |
| 12:44.50 | michal_ | yes.. just installed it |
| 12:45.06 | michal_ | but it just does not connect.. tcpdump shows it's trying to connect |
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| 12:45.47 | abrocadabro | michal_: can you access the same share from other linux machine? |
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| 12:46.23 | michal_ | abrocadabro, i don't have another linux machine onhand.. maybe of osx tiger supports nfs shares i could test from it |
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| 12:47.08 | abrocadabro | michal_: first have to make sure your NFS server is working, if it does, then move to windows client, |
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| 12:49.39 | daft | IS there a way to alter the place where apt installes the packages to create a plain light debian system |
| 12:49.46 | daft | I want to create a live cd |
| 12:50.05 | michal_ | great |
| 12:50.08 | michal_ | more networking weirdness |
| 12:50.23 | michal_ | my debian box is the only one one the network which can't resolve a hostname |
| 12:50.31 | michal_ | it's on a local dns server |
| 12:50.42 | Petro | I want to setup an NFS server to swap files in a Mac network, do I use nfs-user-server or what? |
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| 12:50.52 | michal_ | ? (10.0.1.7) at 00:30:65:44:4F:22 [ether] on eth0 |
| 12:51.01 | smhar | how different the next debian stable will be from the current sarge testing as it is fozen? |
| 12:51.08 | michal_ | all the other machines have no problem knowing that 10.0.1.7 is pismo |
| 12:51.32 | michal_ | it makes absolutely no sense :/ some sort of bug with the name resolution in sid? |
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| 12:51.46 | michal_ | what package is in charge of name resolution? |
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| 12:52.15 | abrocadabro | michal_: where is your name server? |
| 12:52.36 | fatal_ | "mkinitrd: Cannot determine SCSI module" while configuring kernel-image-2.6.8-11-amd64-k8 .... I guess this is because I have the scsi subsystem loaded, but no lowlevel scsi driver (since I'm using SATA and no SCSI).... does anyone have any suggestions for workarounds? |
| 12:52.37 | michal_ | 10.0.1.1 |
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| 12:55.24 | abrocadabro | michal_: do you have DNS client programs installed? |
| 12:56.09 | fatal_ | smhar: I guess it'll be very much the same except for some buggy packages removed... |
| 12:56.22 | michal_ | what do you mean? |
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| 12:56.32 | Cyanophytes | I have an http server installed on my system how do I get my system to accept http connections? |
| 12:56.34 | michal_ | linux doesn't need client programs to resolve host names |
| 12:56.46 | michal_ | as evidenced by the fact that ALL other hostnames resolve :/ |
| 12:56.47 | abrocadabro | michal_: do you have dnsutils |
| 12:56.51 | michal_ | oh.. yes |
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| 12:58.20 | abrocadabro | michal_: what is your gateway? |
| 12:58.44 | michal_ | the router is the gateway is the dns server is the everything |
| 12:59.18 | Kempston | du -sh reports me wrong size (twice smaller than mc shows) files are halfemty, how can i get real size ? |
| 12:59.26 | abrocadabro | does route say default 10.0.1.1 ... whatever? |
| 12:59.33 | michal_ | yes |
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| 13:00.13 | saloxin | michal_: /etc/resolv.conf says the same on all systems? |
| 13:00.18 | michal_ | yes |
| 13:00.29 | lilliput | hello |
| 13:00.36 | michal_ | it's dhcp assigned so it's all identical |
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| 13:01.33 | smhar | now that the video card is properly configured, the next step is the sound.. is there a good how to same as the nvidia one for sound.. |
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| 13:01.59 | daft | smhar sound sould be more easy |
| 13:02.01 | drac | smhar: dunno, but all it needs is 'apt-get install alsa-base udev alsamixergui', add yourself to audio group, logout, login, run alsaconf. |
| 13:02.05 | dvs | smhar: Depends on your sound "lspci | grep audio" |
| 13:02.46 | smhar | dvs, 0000:00:0e.0 Multimedia audio controller: Ensoniq 5880 AudioPCI (rev 03) |
| 13:02.53 | michal_ | going to reset the router in case it's the problem :/ |
| 13:04.24 | smhar | I can hear the sound fine.. but when is seems that it is using much cpu power as when I run anything the sound start to be bad |
| 13:04.47 | smhar | and I don't hear any music in anything ..eg tuxracer |
| 13:04.54 | resiak | smhar: Sarge is frozen ... meh, it's up to you. |
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| 13:06.09 | kullanici | hi.. |
| 13:06.14 | kullanici | aumix: error opening mixer |
| 13:06.19 | kullanici | what can be problem ? |
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| 13:06.58 | abrocadabro | michal_: ifconfig eth0 10.0.1.X netmask whatever broadcast whatever, then route add default 10.0.1.1 see what happens |
| 13:07.06 | resiak | kullanici: Something's broken? |
| 13:07.11 | resiak | kullanici: Do any other mixers work? |
| 13:07.30 | kullanici | resiak: no |
| 13:07.57 | resiak | kullanici: Then your sound is teh dead! |
| 13:08.09 | kullanici | :s |
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| 13:08.17 | kullanici | i only used "apt-get install alsa" |
| 13:08.23 | kullanici | is it a problem ? |
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| 13:08.32 | dvs | kullanici: aumix is for OSS |
| 13:08.43 | erirlar | in rox i use the command |xterm -e tar xzf "$@"| for my *.tar.gz files, but they extract to my /home dir. How can i get it to extract to dir that the *.tar.gz file is? |
| 13:08.45 | smhar | maybe I should disable the builtin sound and install an old isa card |
| 13:08.48 | kullanici | what should i do now |
| 13:08.49 | resiak | kullanici: modprobe snd-mixer-oss snd-pcm-oss ? |
| 13:08.54 | dvs | kullanici: You can try "modprobe snd_mixer_oss" |
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| 13:09.09 | daft | kullanici: apt-get install mpg123 and play a mp3 with root try if that works |
| 13:10.00 | N-0-X_gone | hello everybody. |
| 13:10.09 | resiak | daft: 123 is in non-free. Why not suggest mpg321 instead in future? |
| 13:10.14 | N-0-X_gone | I'm configurating debian right no on my other computer |
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| 13:10.40 | resiak | N-0-X_gone: Wow! Good for you! \o/ |
| 13:10.47 | N-0-X_gone | and I installed fluxbox (because it's a 400Mhz processor) and then i wanted to try to use KDE. |
| 13:10.54 | N-0-X_gone | resiak: i'm not finished ;) |
| 13:11.03 | resiak | !tell N-0-X_gone -about enter |
| 13:11.10 | dvs | !tell N-0-X_gone about enter |
| 13:11.15 | resiak | !tekll N-0-X_gone -about install kde |
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| 13:11.27 | resiak | !tell N-0-X_gone -about install kde |
| 13:11.27 | drac | !tell N-0-X_gone about remove kde |
| 13:11.33 | N-0-X_gone | I tryied all that! |
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| 13:11.42 | N-0-X_gone | and the problem is that when i type: |
| 13:11.43 | abrocadabro | michal_: did it work? |
| 13:11.48 | N-0-X_gone | startx;fluxbox; |
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| 13:11.55 | N-0-X_gone | then KDE tryies to stratup :@ |
| 13:11.58 | dvs | *plonk* |
| 13:12.06 | N-0-X_gone | so i removed kde AND fluxbox |
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| 13:12.15 | N-0-X_gone | and now, even when I 'only' type startx; |
| 13:12.20 | N-0-X_gone | kde tryied to lauch also! |
| 13:12.24 | drac | N-0-X_gone: echo 'exec /usr/bin/startfluxbox' > ~/.xinitrc |
| 13:12.28 | drac | N-0-X_gone: startx |
| 13:12.43 | resiak | *plonk* |
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| 13:13.41 | zoly | g'day |
| 13:13.55 | Kempston | ÿñíî |
| 13:14.14 | saloxin | Kempston: øåæ |
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| 13:14.50 | Kempston | saloxin: means ? |
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| 13:15.16 | saloxin | Kempston: i thought it was an appropriate answer to your symbols :) |
| 13:15.21 | E-bola | Do anybody know if you can encrypt an exisisting filesystem with loop-aes, and if yes how? I have not been able to find any howto's or documentation on it. |
| 13:15.42 | Kempston | saloxin: i just typed into wrong window |
| 13:15.47 | asg | E-bola: you'd have to copy the data somewhere, make the encrypted fs, and copy it back. |
| 13:15.53 | Kempston | du -sh reports me wrong size (twice smaller than mc shows) files are halfemty, how can i get real size ? |
| 13:16.37 | Wyzard | E-bola: I think it's possible to do it by using 'dd' to copy from the plaintext device to the ciphertext device, but it's very risky and you'd be stupid to do it without having a backup |
| 13:16.40 | E-bola | asg: i was told there was away out of that, wher eu just "convert" ur existing filesystem/partition into an encrypted one? |
| 13:16.50 | MobyTurbo | !ur |
| 13:16.50 | dpkg | Ur is the ancient Sumerian city that dominated Mesopotamia from 6000 BC to 600 BC. If you mean "you are" or "your", just say so. Also swedish for clock, and a swedish word meaning "from within". a german prefix for refering to something very old |
| 13:17.02 | asg | E-bola: did the person who told you point you to any resources? |
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| 13:17.34 | E-bola | asg: no but i think his example, which i ofcourse dont have, used dd as Wyzard mentioned |
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| 13:17.47 | E-bola | Wyzard: why woudl u consider it risky? |
| 13:17.51 | Wyzard | E-bola: And the filesystem would need to be unmounted, of course |
| 13:17.52 | MobyTurbo | !u |
| 13:17.52 | dpkg | Damnit Jim! It's YOU. Y-O-U. Not *U*. U is a letter. YOU is a word. See ne1, or wud. Dutch for 'you' (formal singular). See http://ars.userfriendly.org/cartoons/?id=20041201 |
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| 13:18.13 | asg | E-bola: http://koeln.ccc.de/archiv/drt/crypto/ppddinit.man.html |
| 13:18.28 | m4lu6 | MobyTurbo, u h4v3 a p01nt. |
| 13:18.40 | E-bola | asg: ppd doesnt use loop-aes does it? |
| 13:18.50 | MobyTurbo | !nickometer m4lu6 |
| 13:18.50 | dpkg | 'm4lu6' is 63.000% lame, mobyturbo |
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| 13:18.58 | E-bola | i was adviced against ppd as far as i remember, it had flaws, atleast some webpages i read said so |
| 13:19.01 | asg | E-bola: looks like it uses blowfish (according to the manpage) |
| 13:19.01 | Wyzard | E-bola: It's risky because you're overwriting your plaintext pretty much the instant after you read it from the disk |
| 13:19.01 | m4lu6 | mmm. lame. cool. |
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| 13:19.39 | E-bola | true |
| 13:19.42 | E-bola | but it "should" work |
| 13:19.47 | E-bola | but i definately agree its a risk |
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| 13:20.05 | E-bola | hmmm it woudl just be alot easier than to get everything backed up.... |
| 13:20.06 | Wyzard | E-bola: Make a backup first (perhaps onto another loop-aes device) |
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| 13:20.19 | nullvoid | hi all |
| 13:20.31 | Wyzard | E-bola: and once you have a backup, you might as well copy from the backup rather than trying to convert in-place |
| 13:20.34 | E-bola | if i have to backup, it would require me to re-arrange and move tb's of data |
| 13:20.35 | E-bola | :( |
| 13:20.37 | nullvoid | I got a shell account on one of my remote machine(debian sid), but someone had changed root password, any tools to revert the passwd or hack it? |
| 13:20.53 | Wyzard | nullvoid: Not remotely |
| 13:21.02 | asg | nullvoid: /msg dpkg i forgot root's password |
| 13:21.11 | asg | nullvoid: you'll need to be on console though |
| 13:21.24 | kullanici | daft: no error with mpg123 but no sound too |
| 13:21.42 | Wyzard | E-bola: I've done that before |
| 13:22.02 | Wyzard | E-bola: LVM is very useful for that sort of thing :-) |
| 13:22.07 | E-bola | Wyzard: these lvm'd 5400 rpm disks are sloooooow |
| 13:22.29 | E-bola | Wyzard: i dont see how them being lvm'd helps if i dont have any free space :( |
| 13:22.33 | Wyzard | ah |
| 13:22.51 | nullvoid | asg: I need remote, I only have a shell |
| 13:22.55 | E-bola | i have 4 lvm's |
| 13:23.05 | Wyzard | E-bola: Well, it's either backup or risk losing your terabytes of data... your choice |
| 13:23.06 | E-bola | so i gotta copy contents of 1 to the other 3 |
| 13:23.17 | kullanici | Can't find a suitable libao driver. (Is device in use?) |
| 13:23.17 | E-bola | adn then wipe the old lvm and encrypt it and copy back |
| 13:23.25 | kullanici | what can i do about this error ? |
| 13:23.35 | E-bola | Wyzard: ya i guess ur right hehe |
| 13:23.43 | E-bola | ile start of with the smallest one |
| 13:23.45 | E-bola | its only 200gb |
| 13:23.48 | asg | nullvoid: well, there is nothing you can do short of exploiting a local root vulnerability and using passwd(1) |
| 13:23.49 | E-bola | shouldnt take too long |
| 13:23.59 | Petro | To use NFS do I have to load the nfs module or the nfsd module? |
| 13:24.04 | Wyzard | nullvoid: Ask whoever changed the password to change it back |
| 13:24.07 | asg | nullvoid: or pay someone who is at the remote site to follow the above factoid. |
| 13:24.52 | moshii | is it possible to invert the buttons on only one of two pointing devices in xfree? |
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| 13:25.27 | kullanici | :( |
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| 13:25.41 | kullanici | i've a sound problem.. how can i find what is problem? |
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| 13:26.35 | asg | kullanici: /msg dpkg sound |
| 13:26.44 | dvs | !find libao |
| 13:26.50 | dpkg | Debian Package Listing of 'libao' (2): libao-dev ;; libao2. |
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| 13:28.58 | Kempston | ok, how can i findout size of folder ? |
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| 13:29.10 | E-bola | Kempston: use du |
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| 13:29.26 | E-bola | du -sh folder |
| 13:29.27 | Kempston | du doesn't work, anythinmg else ? |
| 13:29.28 | E-bola | prolly |
| 13:29.35 | E-bola | what do u mean it doesnt work? |
| 13:29.37 | drac | doesn't work? |
| 13:29.46 | Kempston | shows wrong size |
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| 13:29.54 | pseubodot | Kempston: du -h |
| 13:29.59 | Kempston | still worng |
| 13:30.07 | E-bola | ur system is wrong then :) |
| 13:30.09 | drac | Kempston: run 'updatedb' |
| 13:30.13 | pseubodot | Kempston: What makes you think it's wrong? |
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| 13:30.28 | Kempston | couse it's twice smaller of summ of filesizes |
| 13:30.30 | Wyzard | Kempston: If you already know what the size should be, why do you need to check it? :-) |
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| 13:30.50 | Kempston | couse i need this feature quite often |
| 13:30.51 | pseubodot | Kempston: Are you running it as a user or as root? |
| 13:30.56 | Kempston | i can calculate summ eachtime |
| 13:30.58 | Kempston | can't |
| 13:31.01 | E-bola | drac: updatedb dont relate to du does it? |
| 13:31.02 | Kempston | roo |
| 13:31.03 | E-bola | isnt it for locate |
| 13:31.05 | Kempston | root |
| 13:31.22 | E-bola | Kempston: du works fine, if its reporting wrong go find out why |
| 13:31.30 | pseubodot | Kempston: What E-bola just said. :) |
| 13:31.30 | Kempston | well i tried |
| 13:31.38 | Kempston | noone knows |
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| 13:31.47 | E-bola | doesnt it work for any folders |
| 13:31.50 | E-bola | or just 1 specific? |
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| 13:32.12 | Kempston | it works like that on halfempty files |
| 13:32.26 | pseubodot | Kempston: Half-empty files? |
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| 13:32.50 | ericb_ | which email clients can use http and https sites like hotmail and gmail |
| 13:32.57 | ericb_ | respectively |
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| 13:33.12 | moshii | ericb_: gmail has pop3 |
| 13:33.15 | Kempston | if some part of file is filled with zeroes, du ignores that part of file |
| 13:33.28 | ericb_ | moshii, what are you talking about |
| 13:33.32 | Kempston | well it looks like that] |
| 13:33.39 | Wyzard | Kempston: Not quite |
| 13:33.44 | Kempston | that's what i mean with halfempty |
| 13:33.59 | moshii | ericb_: turn on pop3 support in the gmail interface, and you can get your mail with a standard client |
| 13:34.05 | Kempston | files without zeroes are calculated fine |
| 13:34.25 | Wyzard | Kempston: If a file contains holes (which aren't actually allocated on disk, but return zeros when read from), the disk usage will be less than the apparent size |
| 13:34.32 | ericb_ | moshii, turn on pop3 in gamil interface, please expand |
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| 13:34.35 | pseubodot | Kempston: Files without zeroes in the title are fine, or files without zeroes inside the file are fine. |
| 13:34.50 | Kempston | inside the file |
| 13:34.53 | moshii | ericb_: search pop3 in the gmail help ^^ |
| 13:35.00 | Wyzard | Kempston: If it contains zeros that are actually stored on disk, the disk usage will be the same as the apparent size |
| 13:35.01 | ericb_ | moshii, ok |
| 13:35.07 | Kempston | Wyzard that's the point |
| 13:35.09 | pseubodot | Kempston: Binary files with zeroes or ASCII files with zeroes? |
| 13:35.10 | Kempston | i want file size |
| 13:35.12 | Kempston | not disk usga |
| 13:35.16 | Kempston | not disk usage |
| 13:35.24 | Kempston | pseubodot binary |
| 13:35.34 | moshii | ericb_: there are gateway programs to link hotmail into a standard client if i remember correctly.. |
| 13:35.35 | paulswm | Kempston: do you mean sparse files when you say half empty? |
| 13:35.40 | Wyzard | Kempston: Have you looked at the du manpage and noticed the '--apparent-size' option on the first page? |
| 13:35.48 | Kempston | pseubodot i mean mldonkey incomple downloads |
| 13:36.13 | Kempston | lemme check it again |
| 13:36.23 | Kempston | fuck |
| 13:36.29 | drac | shhs |
| 13:36.30 | Kempston | that's what i've been looking for |
| 13:36.35 | pseubodot | Kempston: Dude, language. |
| 13:36.35 | Wyzard | Kempston: And my point was that not all files containing zeros are sparse (containing holes)... the zeros themselves are irrelevant; it's the presence of holes that makes the disk usage less than the apparent size |
| 13:36.37 | Kempston | can understand howi sklipped it |
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| 13:36.51 | Kempston | Wyzard THANK YOU VERY MUCH |
| 13:37.10 | doub | Kempston: du --apparent-size might help |
| 13:37.20 | Kempston | doub too late :) |
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| 13:39.31 | pseubodot | At the rate embedded systems are developing, I figure it won't be long until there are wireless clocks that sync via ntp. :) |
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| 13:40.19 | paulswm | No need in the US, though, there's radio clocks and gps clocks |
| 13:40.25 | dvs | pseubodot: you still have to set the timezone though |
| 13:40.38 | pseubodot | dvs: You have a point there. |
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| 13:41.05 | bbrazil | if they are gps clocks they can figure it out themselves |
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| 13:41.19 | pseubodot | paulswm: Radio clocks, I haven't seen here in Canada; GPS shouldn't be that much of an issue |
| 13:41.49 | paulswm | pseubodot: There's a time signal out of Colorado which radio clocks sync with |
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| 13:42.04 | paulswm | There's also a radio signal in the UK I believe |
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| 13:42.26 | pseubodot | paulswm: NRC doesn't do it here, as far as I know. |
| 13:42.35 | paulswm | pseubodot: :( |
| 13:42.59 | pseubodot | paulswm: But then, I don't have a radio clock, so no problem. :) |
| 13:43.01 | paulswm | pseubodot: I'm considering getting one with a serial interface and running a strtus 1 server |
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| 13:43.56 | pseubodot | paulswm: Neat. I had seen an HP GPS clock device (for stratum 1) but had no idea how I would hook it up |
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| 13:45.09 | andax | how do I create the missing hdX entries from /dev? there is no hdi hdo etc files just from hda to hdf |
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| 13:45.39 | dvs | andax: MAKEDEV hd in /dev as root |
| 13:45.47 | andax | thanks |
| 13:46.13 | paulswm | pseubodot: http://www.ntp-time-server.com/time-servers/time-servers.htm |
| 13:46.22 | dvs | andax: Are you using udev? |
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| 13:47.16 | andax | i dont know |
| 13:47.17 | andax | :) |
| 13:47.31 | mikeX | dammit, where was that bashing on irc people using 'away messages'? |
| 13:47.32 | drac | andax: dpkg -l udev |
| 13:47.54 | andax | it's not installed |
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| 13:48.06 | andax | well my problem is that i can't run lilo because it says: |
| 13:48.10 | andax | Warning: '/proc/partitions' does not match '/dev' directory structure. |
| 13:48.10 | andax | <PROTECTED> |
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| 13:48.21 | paulswm | mikeX: /msg dpkg away |
| 13:48.52 | andax | am I away? i dont think so |
| 13:49.02 | mikeX | thanks paulswm |
| 13:49.25 | paulswm | mikeX: You're welcome |
| 13:49.26 | andax | oh damn xchat |
| 13:50.17 | andax | drac, so i was using kernel 2.6.11 but there is a "bug" started at 2.6.7 that slows down raid0 reads a lot |
| 13:50.25 | andax | so i put 2.6.6 back |
| 13:50.43 | andax | and disks appear by different names in /dev |
| 13:51.07 | andax | to change back to 2.6.11 I need to run lilo but it has this stupid problem |
| 13:51.35 | andax | these hdr/hds/hdt etc disks should really be /dev/sda sdb etc |
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| 13:55.26 | js_ | is it possible to change gid to one that belongs to my euid? |
| 13:55.32 | b00 | hey, how do i make apt rebuild the list of currently installed debs ? |
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| 13:57.22 | asg | b00: what problem are you having? |
| 13:57.32 | mirak_ | I am looking for an anti banners proxy |
| 13:57.37 | mirak_ | http |
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| 13:57.53 | asg | mirak_: try dansguardian |
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| 13:58.04 | b00 | asg: i've installed some packages with dpkg -i, but, it seems, that apt still thinks i have older versions |
| 13:58.05 | mirak_ | ok |
| 13:58.05 | ys76 | mirak_, or privoxy |
| 13:58.09 | mirak_ | ok |
| 13:58.26 | mirak_ | I used proxitron in windows some time ago |
| 13:58.30 | caphuso | b00: does dpkg think you have older packages installed? |
| 13:58.32 | mirak_ | proximitron |
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| 13:59.00 | b00 | caphuso: dpkg silently (well, didnt complain) installed everything I asked it too |
| 13:59.02 | b00 | :) |
| 13:59.11 | caphuso | b00: that's not what i asked |
| 13:59.18 | andax | why does lilo fails to execute if it cant open /dev/hdi? it should install itself to /dev/hda... |
| 13:59.22 | b00 | ok, err, |
| 13:59.47 | b00 | caphuso: i dont usually use dpkg, i do apt-get update /upgrade |
| 13:59.52 | b00 | how do I check with dpkg ? |
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| 14:00.14 | caphuso | b00: "COLUMNS=200 dpkg -l packagename" and look at the version number |
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| 14:01.06 | b00 | caphuso: thanky ou |
| 14:01.07 | b00 | you |
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| 14:03.07 | N-0-X_gone | !tell N-0-X_gone -about install gnome |
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| 14:03.50 | saloxin | N-0-X_gone: /msg dpkg gnome also works :) |
| 14:04.06 | coll | every package im trying to install apt-get tries to install/configure diald also, why is that? |
| 14:04.49 | caphuso | coll: because you installed it and left it unconfigured? |
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| 14:05.24 | coll | i dont need it, i dont ever recall installing it but i'd like to remove it |
| 14:05.31 | coll | apt-get remove --purge diald? |
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| 14:05.49 | ruied | which module should I load to run a soundblaster with es1371 chip? |
| 14:06.10 | caphuso | coll: try it, but it might not work. use "dpkg -P diald" in that case |
| 14:06.16 | coll | ok |
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| 14:06.34 | coll | i do need the pppd package though, so i hope it has no effect on that |
| 14:06.56 | saloxin | ruied: snd-ens1371 ? alsaconf might help |
| 14:06.56 | coll | ahh ok its still there |
| 14:07.03 | coll | thanks caphuso |
| 14:07.15 | boukensya | hey guys... I want to open up a screen session and run a command in there with one command.. how would I do that? |
| 14:07.26 | caphuso | boukensya: screen command |
| 14:08.53 | boukensya | caphuso: wow cool thanks man |
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| 14:10.07 | jez | Hey, new way of getting girls. give them serial numbers for The Sims. |
| 14:10.16 | boukensya | haha |
| 14:10.17 | jez | Works a charm |
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| 14:11.01 | Ronin | make up your mind Modzilla |
| 14:11.44 | coll | checking my reconnection script, brb |
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| 14:13.24 | coll | i guess its working :p |
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| 14:13.55 | maja | any one know if the nvidia driver server is down ? |
| 14:13.55 | coll_ | now i just need to setup a decent firewall |
| 14:14.52 | tarzeau | coll_: shorewall? |
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| 14:15.03 | war- | http://lists.debian.org/debian-qt-kde/2004/09/msg00127.html! nasty bug in kdm!! but nobody bothered to fix |
| 14:15.12 | coll_ | tarzeau: isnt that an iptables front-end config tool? |
| 14:15.14 | war- | I have the same problem he does on my fwall box, I switched to gdm, problem fixed. |
| 14:15.44 | Wyzard | maja: The nvidia packages are in the main repository |
| 14:16.33 | maja | i downloaded nvidia-kernel-src |
| 14:16.33 | xoz | coll_: try shorewall |
| 14:16.54 | maja | it is now trying to dl off some server that i cant get to |
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| 14:17.30 | coll_ | xoz: isnt it what i was saying earlier? |
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| 14:18.02 | PerfDave | maja: What is trying to download what? |
| 14:18.45 | tarzeau | coll_: yes it is |
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| 14:19.09 | maja | PerfDave: a tar image form ftp2.detonator.nvidia.com |
| 14:19.56 | coll_ | tarzeau: i have my old ipchains firewall ruleset so i want to try and manually port it to iptables, and thus learning the new tool |
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| 14:20.07 | tarzeau | coll_: i see. good luck |
| 14:20.17 | coll_ | thanks |
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| 14:20.58 | goron | How can I let my provider authenticate a new MAC-address? In Windows I will always be pointed to there website, but I assume there's a commandline tool where I can put in my credentials to get a DHCP connection. |
| 14:21.00 | coll_ | are you guys using gftp for gui ftp sessions or is there anything new now? |
| 14:21.25 | E-bola | goron: what do u mean? |
| 14:21.38 | E-bola | how ur provider authenticates u is there problem, and also only they will know |
| 14:22.13 | maja | host just seems to be down |
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| 14:22.37 | saloxin | goron: if you know your old mac address, just spoof it.. man interfaces /hwaddress |
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| 14:23.45 | Wyzard | maja: Does it ask you first about whether you have the file already? |
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| 14:25.10 | goron | saloxin: And what if I never had any MAC-address communicated to them? |
| 14:25.44 | maja | Wyzard: no |
| 14:25.50 | goron | saloxin: It seems a little odd that you need a Windows box to connect to your provider. |
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| 14:26.22 | Wyzard | goron: Maybe they just recorded whatever MAC address you were using before |
| 14:26.25 | goron | E-bola: No, it's my problem(because otherwise I can't connect to the internet). |
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| 14:26.35 | saloxin | goron: ew.. check their support pages for alternate OS's? fire up a browser and see if you get redirected to login page? |
| 14:26.44 | Wyzard | maja: Maybe the site really is just down then... try again later |
| 14:26.55 | saloxin | goron: many isp's suck at alternate os support... |
| 14:27.10 | E-bola | goron: well call them and ask |
| 14:27.16 | E-bola | how would we be able to tell you how the authenticate? |
| 14:27.16 | goron | saloxin: I thought dhclient also had support for password. And I thought maybe you would know something about that. |
| 14:27.27 | Wyzard | maja: Or go to www.nvidia.com, download the driver yourself, and put it in the place the package is trying to download it to |
| 14:27.50 | saloxin | goron: passwords are not part of dhcp protocol afaik |
| 14:27.54 | maja | i am looking for the pakage |
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| 14:28.15 | maja | Wyzard: i need verison 1.0.2880 |
| 14:28.17 | Wyzard | goron: Have you tried spoofing the old MAC address? |
| 14:28.36 | goron | Wyzard: No, but the new question was:suppose there's no old MAC address. |
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| 14:28.55 | tux | I dont remember teh way to log bootup messages. I think I read something about a variable in a init script but I dont recall. Can someone help out please? |
| 14:29.00 | Wyzard | goron: That's a nonsensical question -- you defintely had a MAC address before now |
| 14:29.14 | saloxin | goron: and blame your isp, not dhclient |
| 14:29.27 | goron | Wyzard: No, because if I change provider, the problem would popup again. |
| 14:29.31 | goron | saloxin: Ok |
| 14:29.33 | drac | maja: Why so old drivers? Sarge has 1.0.7174. |
| 14:29.55 | Wyzard | drac: maja is using nvidia-kernel-src, not nvidia-kernel-source, which means he's probably running woody |
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| 14:30.30 | drac | Wyzard: Then he should upgrade to Sarge and get it over with ;) |
| 14:30.33 | Wyzard | goron: Well, your options are to spoof the old MAC address, or call your provider and ask them to register a new one |
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| 14:30.50 | mirak_ | how to know the port a programm is listening on ? |
| 14:30.50 | maja | dark: ja i am just havent been able to dl disk |
| 14:30.58 | maja | i was happy enuf to get this one |
| 14:31.06 | Wyzard | goron: Or find a provider that doesn't care what MAC address you use |
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| 14:31.27 | drac | maja: /msg dpkg woody->sarge, you can upgrade it from woody without needing to reinstall. |
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| 14:31.58 | maja | drac: are there a lot of files ? |
| 14:32.12 | Wyzard | drac: sarge isn't actually released yet... there may still be upgrade bugs |
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| 14:32.41 | maja | i was useing sarge before i moved |
| 14:32.45 | hackeron | whats the difference between soft and hard in /etc/security/limits.conf? |
| 14:32.46 | saloxin | maja: more or less all files have to be upgraded.. |
| 14:32.47 | maja | was nice |
| 14:32.59 | maja | 500 mb ? |
| 14:33.01 | asg | hackeron: soft limits can be increased, hard limits cannot |
| 14:33.17 | hackeron | asg: ah! thanks. |
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| 14:33.28 | maja | is it likely to be all on a unofficial mirror ? |
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| 14:34.19 | Wyzard | maja: The sarge version of the nvidia packages supports newer versions of the nvidia driver -- I'm using 1.0.7174 |
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| 14:34.41 | dan2 | asg: hey |
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| 14:34.49 | asg | dan2: morning, how are things? |
| 14:34.58 | Wyzard | maja: It might just be that nvidia doesn't provide that old version for download anymore |
| 14:35.23 | dan2 | asg: I'm fussing with pasky to fix his broken initial commit support in cogito |
| 14:35.34 | asg | dan2: ah |
| 14:35.44 | dan2 | asg: I want to import my C++ utility library into cogito.. |
| 14:36.28 | maja | Wyzard: guess so though did they have to change the host name to do it ? |
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| 14:39.51 | Fabius | Ciao |
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| 14:40.43 | maja | is there any way to get a estimate of the size of the download, i am on a 3g cap |
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| 14:41.12 | maja | i am on adsl as well :( |
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| 14:42.15 | Fabius | Hi |
| 14:42.43 | dabreegster | maja: is it an HTTP d/l? I recommend using wget to do it. It can estimate the size if it's not streaming. And you can usually continue the d/l later if the server supports the Range: header. |
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| 14:43.03 | dabreegster | maja: just 'wget URL' to start it and 'wget -c URL' to continue it later |
| 14:43.33 | fowler | Got a wierd problem with bash completion. Namely it's not working properly. Anyone know of any recent changes ( read last 2 months) that would affect this. Happens on new unstable box too. |
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| 14:43.55 | ruied | I'm using skyp, but when I speak, the sound doesn't reach my friend's skype, but if he speak's I can listen, any one have any idea about this problem? I've tried skype in slackware and it worked fine... |
| 14:43.57 | maja | dabreegster: it is a kernel upgrade |
| 14:43.59 | dabreegster | fowler: try 'source /etc/bash_completion' again, to be sure |
| 14:44.07 | ruied | skyp = skype |
| 14:44.16 | Fabius | Hello.... could someone help me? I have a trouble with automount in MEPIS |
| 14:44.23 | asg | Fabius: #mepis |
| 14:44.29 | seven_six_two | I'm trying to install transcode on my sarge install, but it depends on libvorbis0 but i have libvorbis installed. I can't install libvorbis0 at the same time and uninstalling it means breaking other pkgs. is there another way around this? |
| 14:44.29 | dabreegster | maja: it really shouldn't matter, wget is a user-space program. as long as your network is working, just run wget. I think it's in the base system. |
| 14:44.35 | Fabius | #mepis |
| 14:44.37 | Fabius | ok |
| 14:44.38 | Fabius | thanks |
| 14:44.46 | fowler | dabreegster, Doesn't make a difference. |
| 14:45.04 | maja | dabreegster: sorry i ment version upgrade woody to sarge |
| 14:45.06 | dabreegster | fowler: try #bash |
| 14:45.10 | fowler | I go to /etc, type ee <tab> All I get is a list of directories. |
| 14:45.11 | MobyTurbo | ruied: have you checked your mixer settings? |
| 14:45.15 | fowler | Will do |
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| 14:45.25 | dabreegster | maja: Again, it doesn't matter. You should have wget. If not, just apt-get install wget or whatever |
| 14:45.40 | maja | dabreegster: yes |
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| 14:45.57 | maja | dabreegster: sorry has been a long nite |
| 14:46.38 | dabreegster | maja: No problem. You'll find that wget is the single most useful thing if you're on a slowish connection. |
| 14:46.53 | ruied | MobyTurbo yup, I've assigned 777 to /dev/dsp and /dev/mixer just in case, and set aumix parameters to the maximum... |
| 14:47.25 | maja | dabreegster: it is good |
| 14:47.25 | saloxin | maja - the size of download for a woody->sarge will be more or less like your current installed system |
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| 14:47.45 | ruied | MobyTurbo any ideas? |
| 14:47.50 | joh | Hello, which package do I reconfigure to allow me to set up the network options again? |
| 14:47.58 | maja | saloxin: and all installed pakages ? |
| 14:48.01 | saloxin | ruied: ah cool, anyone logging in can listen to your microphone :-S |
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| 14:48.18 | caphuso | joh: install etherconf |
| 14:48.19 | asg | joh: edit /etc/network/interfaces |
| 14:48.25 | saloxin | maja: hm? |
| 14:48.51 | joh | caphuso: ok, thanks. |
| 14:49.03 | joh | asg: I was looking for the configuration tool... the debconf thingy... |
| 14:49.17 | maja | saloxin: vim, samba, qmail ... |
| 14:49.47 | saloxin | maja: an upgrade will upgrade all packages installed .. |
| 14:50.28 | maja | saloxin: nice |
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| 14:52.42 | hyde | how can I find the complete open source package for vmware workstation? I only found the modified source package so far. |
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| 14:56.27 | dcf | how can i pipe the output to the next program in the -exec of find? |
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| 14:57.51 | Radiance | any one can recommend a tool to unpack .ace archives ? thanks |
| 14:58.07 | saloxin | Radiance: unace? |
| 14:58.21 | nub | hi can anybody tell me what line do i have to edit put or modify in named.conf(bind9) so that my domain www.domain.com will be forwarded to www.example.com???? |
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| 14:58.40 | asg | nub: try #dns |
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| 15:00.22 | simonrvn | hi |
| 15:00.27 | asg | hi simon |
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| 15:00.43 | Radiance | saloxin, it's not found with apt-cache search (woody) |
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| 15:01.01 | asg | !info unace woody |
| 15:01.22 | Radiance | else i wouldn't come here and ask lol |
| 15:01.22 | asg | Radiance: you'll have to find a backport or compile it yourself (see also /msg dpkg simple sid backport) |
| 15:01.46 | Radiance | asg, thanks i'll look into that |
| 15:01.51 | asg | Radiance: you're welcome |
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| 15:02.48 | asg | !tell Modzilla about root |
| 15:02.55 | pureone | mmm root |
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| 15:03.49 | asg | Modzilla: and don't /msg people without asking (/msg dpkg guidelines) |
| 15:03.55 | _joey | I edited crontab running crontab -e as root, www4.tpg.com.au/alexgne/cron but hdup is not getting run, what is the problem ? |
| 15:04.04 | asg | Modzilla: /msg dpkg sshx ; /msg dpkg run stuff as root |
| 15:04.13 | ix | root! <3 |
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| 15:04.58 | simonrvn | asg: comment ca va, monsieur en vacances? |
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| 15:05.24 | asg | simonrvn: ENOFRENCH ;) |
| 15:05.46 | simonrvn | hehe, "how's it going mr. on vacation?" |
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| 15:06.01 | asg | simonrvn: hehe, good so far, nothing has broken at work. |
| 15:06.05 | Wikipedia-Gast | hi |
| 15:06.13 | simonrvn | cool |
| 15:06.57 | asg | simonrvn: I thought you were asking about hotels in California and Virginia |
| 15:07.05 | simonrvn | hehe |
| 15:07.12 | asg | !moron asg |
| 15:07.13 | dpkg | asg: You are moron #76 |
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| 15:08.22 | simonrvn | c'est combien les hotels en californie, puis en virginie? |
| 15:08.24 | simonrvn | ;p |
| 15:08.28 | _joey | if edit crontab -e all I have to do is to restart cron daemon ? |
| 15:08.32 | _joey | or anything else? |
| 15:08.33 | simonrvn | no |
| 15:08.39 | simonrvn | it'll get read in |
| 15:08.40 | asg | simonrvn: :) |
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| 15:08.47 | _joey | hmm |
| 15:08.54 | _joey | it's not getting run |
| 15:09.05 | _joey | I run the same comand manually and it runs |
| 15:09.06 | asg | _joey: look for RELOAD in /var/log/syslog to be sure. |
| 15:09.21 | asg | _joey: probably an issue with the environment (PATH not set, etc.) |
| 15:09.23 | simonrvn | BEGIN EDIT |
| 15:09.26 | procrastinator | Can anyone help me with my SB Live? |
| 15:09.35 | simonrvn | END EDIT |
| 15:09.37 | _joey | May 9 00:38:01 localhost /USR/SBIN/CRON[27265]: (root) CMD (root /usr/sbin/hdup -q -q daily Fusion) |
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| 15:09.40 | asg | !sblive |
| 15:09.40 | dpkg | it has been said that sblive is a soundcard with an emu10k1 chipset. modprobe emu10k1 && echo emu10k1 >>/etc/modules, or for better performance and features use the ALSA driver smd-emu10k1 instead of the OSS lite emu10k1. See also sblivedell |
| 15:09.52 | _joey | the path is correct |
| 15:09.54 | procrastinator | I already did that |
| 15:10.20 | _joey | it looks like it started but it never completed the job |
| 15:10.41 | _joey | it works if I run the same command in shell |
| 15:10.43 | asg | _joey: then have it log or print to stdout (and you will get an email indicating that output) |
| 15:10.44 | _joey | at prompt |
| 15:11.02 | procrastinator | asg: I did modprobe emu10k1 && echo emu10k1 >>/etc/modules and the tried to crank up everything i could find in gnome-volume-manager |
| 15:11.17 | _joey | asg which output ? |
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| 15:11.45 | asg | _joey: have your script generate some. 'echo doing x' ; do x ; 'echo finished x' |
| 15:11.50 | _joey | can increase log level for cron ? |
| 15:12.05 | asg | procrastinator: does cat /dev/urandom > /dev/dsp give you a horrible noise? |
| 15:12.11 | asg | procrastinator: does it print an error or just hang? |
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| 15:12.40 | _joey | frrustrating, find works fine from crontab |
| 15:12.45 | _joey | find* |
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| 15:13.37 | procrastinator | asg: It just hangs, though it returns busy if i try to run two instances at the same time |
| 15:14.08 | asg | procrastinator: then, for whatever reason, the mixer settings aren't being used. Use aumix to verify that the levels are not muted and up. |
| 15:14.22 | _joey | grr :) |
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| 15:14.46 | procrastinator | I don't have aumix? |
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| 15:15.32 | simonrvn | @installit |
| 15:15.32 | ravenbird | *** NEWS FLASH! *** Your box does not come with every app, tool and utility known to debiankind installed already. If you find that the program you've been told to use isn't there, install it. Also ask me about <search>. |
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| 15:15.50 | procrastinator | i'm already at it |
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| 15:17.10 | Modzilla | yay |
| 15:17.13 | Modzilla | no root |
| 15:17.15 | Modzilla | :P |
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| 15:18.30 | procrastinator | Everthing is up in aumix - funny thing: My microphone works and outputs to my speakers, but that just runs right through the sound card, right? |
| 15:18.32 | _joey | May 9 00:45:25 localhost /usr/sbin/cron[15737]: (CRON) INFO (Skipping @reboot jobs -- not system startup) |
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| 15:18.45 | _joey | does this line indicate that there is a problem with cron ? |
| 15:18.49 | IDC | where do i paste on a web ? |
| 15:19.34 | IDC | oops,i mean where do i paste on a web :) |
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| 15:20.36 | Smerdyakov | What's the easiest way to get a list of all the times at which a particular file in a CVS repository was modified by a commit? |
| 15:20.39 | simonrvn | @paster |
| 15:20.39 | ravenbird | Instead of pasting in #debian or #flood, use paster, your friendly paste bot. Visit http://channels.debian.net/paste select #debian, and paste away. |
| 15:20.45 | cspan | hey, my debian doesn't sound, what can i do? |
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| 15:21.16 | E-bola | When using gpg with loop-aes does not using encrypted swap space lower the security level? |
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| 15:21.55 | joris | E-bola: this is not a direct solution to your question, but dm-crypt has multiple advantages over loop-aes |
| 15:21.58 | mikeX | Many windows users purchased remotely accessible Unix shells in order to run irssi. <- bahhahaa |
| 15:22.47 | joris | E-bola: swap space in theory could contain sensitive data, yes. I tend not to do it, since it slows down a system that's already in a very slow situation |
| 15:23.25 | cspan | anyone can help me with the sound thingie? |
| 15:23.28 | simonrvn | mikeX: yeh, really, why not split their drive in 2 and dual boot (or single boot linux) ... |
| 15:24.06 | simonrvn | !tell cspan -about audio |
| 15:24.56 | mikeX | can't reason with windows users : P |
| 15:25.10 | mikeX | (exclusive ones at least) |
| 15:25.24 | cspan | simonrvn, how do i know which is my driver? |
| 15:25.26 | caphuso | E-bola: any self respecting gpg binary will not let sensitive stuff be put on swap |
| 15:25.41 | simonrvn | lspci for starters |
| 15:25.52 | dive | hm. is it just me, or does debian stable seem to get slower the longer it's been running? |
| 15:26.05 | E-bola | joris: like what advantages? |
| 15:26.34 | E-bola | loop-aes seems to be recomended by most |
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| 15:26.53 | joris | E-bola: ability to run a journalling filesystem, it's more 'layered', so you can run all kinds of funky stuff on top of it, and it supports the assembler aes module for x86, wich is *FAST* |
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| 15:27.10 | joris | E-bola: well, that's because dm-crypt is newer than loop-aeds |
| 15:27.17 | daffy-pkf | lo |
| 15:27.48 | E-bola | joris: u can run journaled fs's fine on loop-aes? |
| 15:28.00 | joris | E-bola: it's unsafe |
| 15:28.03 | E-bola | isnt it only a problem if u use containers instaid of complete encrypted partitions? |
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| 15:30.05 | E-bola | hmmm maybe its just the presentation of it but dm-crypt seems very im-mature |
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| 15:30.39 | rhys-hynaws | hey does anyone use BMP and Audioscrobbler? |
| 15:31.01 | E-bola | and doesnt it suffer from the same weaknessses as cryptoloop? |
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| 15:32.49 | ruied | anyone using skype with debian sarge? I'm using skype, but when I speak, the sound doesn't reach my friend's skype, but if he speak's I can listen, any one have any idea about this problem? I've tried skype in slackware and it worked fine... |
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| 15:33.39 | dawg | ruied, are you able to record input from your mic with another application? |
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| 15:35.12 | PerfDave | ruied: Ask Skype support, if you're going to use non-Free software ;) |
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| 15:35.35 | ruied | dawg: I can listen the sound (in my box) from my mic, how can I try to record a file? |
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| 15:36.29 | dawg | ruied, rec |
| 15:36.42 | ruied | PerfDave: I think the problem is with my sound and not with skype... |
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| 15:36.58 | mikeX | mpleh... java... use bittornado |
| 15:37.24 | Jel | anyone know why konqueror doesn't have the same unicode characters available as firefox when using the 'serif' font |
| 15:37.25 | Jel | ? |
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| 15:38.12 | ruied | dawg: 'rec' in command line? |
| 15:38.35 | doub | Jel: maybe because it's not the same font |
| 15:38.44 | dawg | ruied, read the manpage for all the required arguments |
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| 15:38.59 | Jel | Are 'serif', 'sans serif' and 'unicode' a fontconfig thing, or is some other tool responsible for it? |
| 15:39.04 | dawg | ruied, or install one of them fancy gui things |
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| 15:39.15 | ruied | dawg ok, going to check.. |
| 15:39.20 | Jel | doub: I've no reason to think they'd be different. |
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| 15:39.34 | prodope_ | is there a way i can get my motd to pick a random line from a file each time a user logs in? |
| 15:39.51 | doub | Jel: they can look exactly the same and be different, because they are using a different charset |
| 15:41.06 | Jel | doub: but the serif, sans serif and monospace fonts are special -- designed to handle unicode, afaik. Unless I misunderstand something. |
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| 15:41.36 | E-bola | IF my pdflush is taking alot of cpu |
| 15:41.41 | E-bola | it means i have too little ram most likely? |
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| 15:42.14 | Marticus | chrony should be synchronizing my system time to the ntp server, should it not? |
| 15:42.19 | doub | Jel: no, it's just a way to classify them. serif is letters with decorations, sans serif without, monospace is where every char is within the same matrix. that's not related to charset |
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| 15:42.56 | Jel | doub: no, you don't understand there are special fonts for the generic types, that lookup other fonts for the actual characters. |
| 15:43.30 | dive | my debian system has a gig of ram and swaps anyway |
| 15:43.38 | dive | linux 2.4's vm seems to be ... bad |
| 15:44.09 | E-bola | well will allmsot always be a little swapping |
| 15:44.13 | dive | nope |
| 15:44.16 | dive | not on BSD |
| 15:44.18 | E-bola | but mine is takingna considerable amount of cpu time |
| 15:44.28 | dive | 119 processes: 1 runnable, 116 sleeping, 1 zombie, 1 on processor |
| 15:44.29 | dive | CPU states: 0.5% user, 0.0% nice, 0.0% system, 0.0% interrupt, 99.5% idle |
| 15:44.29 | dive | Memory: 492M Act, 255M Inact, 5500K Wired, 107M Exec, 396M File, 21M Free |
| 15:44.29 | dive | Swap: 1025M Total, 1025M Free |
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| 15:44.33 | rhys-hynaws | hey does anyone use BMP and Audioscrobbler? |
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| 15:44.38 | dive | heh |
| 15:44.39 | dive | sorry |
| 15:44.45 | caphuso | dive: 17:44 dive> Swap: 1025M Total, 1025M Free |
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| 15:44.57 | caphuso | dive: that's hell of a lot of swapping |
| 15:44.59 | streuner | apt, PerfDave++ |
| 15:45.01 | dive | anyway, that's on a NetBSD box where I'm running KDE, OpenOffice, firefox, and tons of other stuff |
| 15:45.10 | dive | caphuso: that's not the debian box :p |
| 15:45.14 | doub | Jel: isn't this a firefox/mozilla abstraction? |
| 15:45.16 | E-bola | i never understood linux memory handling |
| 15:45.20 | E-bola | it always uses all the ram |
| 15:45.29 | caphuso | E-bola: yes, of course |
| 15:45.30 | dive | using all the ram is fine |
| 15:45.31 | doub | Jel: (and a boring one at that) |
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| 15:45.40 | Jel | doub: no, I think it's part of fontconfig or some underlying library |
| 15:45.40 | dive | but not reusing it is stupid |
| 15:45.44 | caphuso | dive: then what are the numbers of the debian box? |
| 15:45.47 | mikeX | dive, 2.6 seems not to swap that easily |
| 15:45.52 | dive | Mem: 1030376K total, 1008988K used, 21388K free, 70536K buffers |
| 15:45.52 | dive | Swap: 1044216K total, 12500K used, 1031716K free, 633996K cached |
| 15:46.07 | mikeX | dive, it won't swap until some days on a system with ~350 MB |
| 15:46.09 | mikeX | ram |
| 15:46.11 | ruied | dawg: sound-record reports: "error opening device /dev/dsp" |
| 15:46.16 | E-bola | well if it always uses the all the ram (which is ofcourse isnt) what the point of showing amount of free memory? |
| 15:46.20 | caphuso | dive: so, uh, 12MiB swapped out. big deal |
| 15:46.30 | dive | caphuso: why should there be any swapped out? |
| 15:46.36 | dive | there is no need for it |
| 15:46.44 | joris | I'm looking for a way to let a user mount his own encrypted homedir... I'd need a script that runs right after the login (from kdm or something), and after the script exits, the windowmanger has to start |
| 15:46.49 | caphuso | dive: it's stupid crap wasting memory |
| 15:46.50 | streuner | dawg: custom kernel? |
| 15:46.55 | dive | caphuso: such as? |
| 15:47.03 | caphuso | dive: probably some processes idling for too long |
| 15:47.24 | nksen | I'm trying to rename several files with 'rename'. if I do 'rename 's/foo-/foo-0/' foo-?' the expression does, what I want to. but if I substitute 'foo' with a bash-variable like $FILENAME it doesn't. even if I use double-quotes, it fails. what am I doing wrong? |
| 15:47.39 | caphuso | or parts of data some processes think they need to keep in RAM, but haven't accesses since the dawn of time |
| 15:47.43 | dive | heh |
| 15:48.03 | overnout | nksen: use mmv |
| 15:48.04 | caphuso | nksen: man BASH, scroll down to the QUOTING section |
| 15:48.11 | dive | so why doesn't that happen on NetBSD machines with 160MB of ram that've been up for months, but happens on linux 2.4 debian boxes that'ev been up for two weeks? :P |
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| 15:48.34 | dive | the system isn't as responsive as it was when it first booted either |
| 15:48.35 | nksen | caphuso: are you sure the wrong quoting is the culprit? |
| 15:48.35 | E-bola | actualy none of my swap file seems to be in use |
| 15:48.41 | caphuso | dive: because linux is more caring |
| 15:48.53 | dive | more caring? |
| 15:48.57 | dive | please explain |
| 15:49.11 | caphuso | dive: wasted RAM slows you down |
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| 15:49.20 | caphuso | so removing stale crap out of it onto swap is a good thing |
| 15:49.25 | caphuso | nksen: most likely |
| 15:49.37 | procrastinator | Ok, trying again: Can anyone help me with my SB Live? I did modprobe emu10k1 && echo emu10k1 >>/etc/modules and turned up everything in aumix. I still have no sound. |
| 15:49.46 | dive | yes, that's fine, the thing is - I run a MUCH larger workload on a NetBSD box, and it NEVER swaps, with the same amount of RAM. |
| 15:49.49 | caphuso | nksen: you didn't give the exact command lines, so i have to interpolate. if i missed the real reason, blame you |
| 15:49.53 | streuner | procrastinator: /msg dpkg sound |
| 15:50.01 | dive | and it's much, much more responsive, despite only a 300mhz difference in CPU speed. |
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| 15:50.21 | caphuso | dive: define "responsive" |
| 15:50.37 | dive | responsive as in... open a new window in screen, it happens right away |
| 15:50.47 | dive | with debian it happens anywhere from right away to ten seconds later |
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| 15:50.55 | procrastinator | streuner: I got that far, it's still not working |
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| 15:51.18 | caphuso | dive: sure that it's not a disk i/o shortage? |
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| 15:51.32 | streuner | procrastinator: did you add the user to audio group? and log out and back in? |
| 15:51.47 | rhys-hynaws | hey does anyone use BMP and Audioscrobbler? |
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| 15:51.56 | dive | caphuso: I don't believe so, though it's certainly possible. it does have a rather low-end hitachi deathstar in it (the linux machine) |
| 15:52.13 | dive | it's ATA100, but it's a deathstar, heh |
| 15:52.14 | procrastinator | streuner: I am already in the audio group, do i still have to log out and in? |
| 15:52.33 | streuner | procrastinator: accound to the factoid sound yes |
| 15:52.34 | procrastinator | streuner: am/was |
| 15:52.43 | caphuso | dive: a deathstar? those don't to start sucking quite badly as soon as several things access the disk |
| 15:52.47 | streuner | according* |
| 15:52.51 | caphuso | damn s/don't/tend/ |
| 15:53.06 | procrastinator | streuner: I can't just use the sg command, as dpkg said? |
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| 15:53.40 | dive | caphuso: damn, figures. maybe I'll buy a better drive and clone that one, then pull my server off the rack and swap 'em |
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| 15:54.00 | streuner | procras: just use the good _OLD_ way |
| 15:54.25 | tecta | hm, I have an AMD 2500+, 512MB of memory, and when I extract files on my debian box that's all I can do, it gets really laggy like I have an old ass computer. |
| 15:54.27 | caphuso | dive: swap is only then a problem when the kernel starts moving large amounts of data in or out of it |
| 15:54.35 | dive | caphuso: yeah |
| 15:54.40 | dawg | ruied, are you using alsa or oss? |
| 15:54.43 | caphuso | dive: but 12MiB, that's nothing |
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| 15:55.20 | dive | caphuso: on NetBSD (remember, I'm not trying to start a flamewar:) if I hit swap... I typically have ram free still after whatever caused it to swap stops... so I just disable swap, it throws those pages back into ram, then re-enable swap :) |
| 15:55.32 | mikeX | tecta, probably disk usage too high? |
| 15:55.41 | procrastinator | still no sound |
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| 15:55.50 | procrastinator | streuner |
| 15:55.50 | dive | i'm just used to netbsd, but got a debian 3.0 server for free where i work on a 100mbit connection |
| 15:55.58 | caphuso | mostly X, and some idle apache threads |
| 15:56.07 | tecta | hm. can I query you my hd tables? |
| 15:56.09 | streuner | !doesn't work |
| 15:56.10 | dpkg | Look buddy, doesn't work is an ambiguous statement. Does it sit on the couch all day? Does it want more money? Does it waste its time on IRC all day long? Please be specific! Define 'it' and what it isn't doing. |
| 15:56.35 | streuner | procrastinator: uname -a |
| 15:56.56 | procrastinator | Linux garfunkel 2.6.8-2-686 #1 Mon Jan 24 03:58:38 EST 2005 i686 GNU/Linux? |
| 15:57.04 | mikeX | tecta, eh? use something like gkrellm to see your disk usage at the time |
| 15:57.10 | streuner | procrastinator: what does 'lspci -v | grep -i audio' say? |
| 15:57.25 | procrastinator | 'It' doesn't play sounds |
| 15:57.36 | procrastinator | 0000:00:06.0 Multimedia audio controller: nVidia Corporation nForce2 AC97 Audio Controler (MCP) (rev a1) |
| 15:57.37 | procrastinator | 0000:01:08.0 Multimedia audio controller: Creative Labs SB Live! EMU10k1 (rev 0a) |
| 15:57.39 | dive | heh, much better :p |
| 15:57.41 | procrastinator | Oh |
| 15:57.59 | procrastinator | Do you think my onboard audio could be stealing it all? |
| 15:58.00 | streuner | procrastinator: disable nVida Audio Controller in BIOS |
| 15:58.37 | procrastinator | yep, that's it |
| 15:58.41 | procrastinator | seeya |
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| 15:58.58 | streuner | debhelper! |
| 15:59.12 | streuner | only 3 lines |
| 16:00.24 | tecta | hm I extracted somethin' same result, but couldn't see a change within the hardware |
| 16:00.42 | mikeX | tecta, em, what? |
| 16:01.00 | tecta | I'm using gkrellm |
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| 16:02.51 | mikeX | tecta, is disk usage high? (say >10M) |
| 16:03.17 | gartt | Why do you have to tell scp your source host and not just the dest host? |
| 16:03.17 | tecta | said 0 then said 500 |
| 16:03.20 | tecta | then went back to 0 |
| 16:03.27 | hacim | anyone have a recommendation for a decent mp3 tagger? I've got some "Unknown artists" I want to fix and contribute |
| 16:03.45 | streuner | easytag |
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| 16:03.55 | Bac9 | gartt: you don't have to |
| 16:03.58 | hacim | streuner: thanks, I'll try it |
| 16:04.09 | mikeX | tecta, so you extracted a small file, what's the point in that? |
| 16:04.24 | tecta | well I extract ANY files |
| 16:04.27 | mtnman | gartt: you need to specify the host for target or destination if it is other than localhost. |
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| 16:04.37 | gartt | Ah, I see |
| 16:04.47 | tecta | and it lags me to death |
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| 16:05.04 | mikeX | hmm... dunno then ; ) |
| 16:05.10 | tecta | but when it's done it's 'k . So basically I can't multitask. |
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| 16:05.33 | gartt | In using scp, does it have to be an actual cp action, or can I just open a 'session' w/o copying anything? Ex: if I wanted to just view contents of a rem dir |
| 16:05.50 | mtnman | gartt: in that case you would use ssh login. |
| 16:06.01 | Bac9 | gartt: I think it's just for copying |
| 16:06.14 | mtnman | gartt: i suggest you read the manpage for scp/ssh |
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| 16:06.24 | gartt | Oh, so you already have an ssh tunnel open? Unlike how you have to use sftp to create it's own ssh tunnel/session? |
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| 16:06.50 | mtnman | gartt: scp opens an ssh connection. read the docs... |
| 16:06.52 | gartt | nm, I got it-- thanks |
| 16:07.11 | procrastinator | Thanks streuner! |
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| 16:08.55 | streuner | procrastinator: You're welcome |
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| 16:09.21 | Zambba | How can I watch my TCP/IP traffic with SSH? |
| 16:09.25 | Zambba | Is there some command |
| 16:09.33 | Zambba | I think I'm under DDoS and I'm not at home |
| 16:09.34 | Bac9 | Zambba: tcpdump |
| 16:09.42 | fabuian | netstat |
| 16:09.44 | joris | Zambba: iptraf |
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| 16:12.35 | _joey | with ssh ? |
| 16:13.04 | Zambba | I'm not locally on that computer, I have to use SSH (that lags very much) |
| 16:13.13 | joris | _joey: he probably means a remote shell |
| 16:13.13 | _joey | tcpdump and ethereal are zzee best |
| 16:13.31 | Bac9 | Zambba: so use ssh and on the remote box start tcpdump and make sure to ignore port 22 |
| 16:13.34 | Zambba | Some idiots said they will DDoS me |
| 16:13.55 | Zambba | It says "tcpdump: command not found" |
| 16:14.00 | tecta | I hate DDoS faggots |
| 16:14.02 | joris | Zambba: apt-get install tcpdump? |
| 16:14.03 | Bac9 | Zambba: so install it |
| 16:14.04 | Zambba | but I'm trying to start netstat |
| 16:14.05 | oomg | apt-get install tcpdump |
| 16:14.06 | oomg | .P |
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| 16:14.16 | pureone | apt-get install p0f :) |
| 16:14.17 | Zambba | hmm.. my net connection is very laggy now |
| 16:14.24 | joris | Zambba: it sometimes helps to stop some services (http, ftp, all kinds of filesharing) |
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| 16:14.56 | Zambba | today I did Sygate's port scan and I had only 22 and 80 open (I use them both) |
| 16:15.11 | Bac9 | Zambba: iptables -I INPUT 1 -s !<your ip> -j DROP |
| 16:15.36 | Zambba | The guy who's DDoS'in me is some 10-year old script kiddie who has just learned h4x0r1ng |
| 16:15.49 | Bac9 | Zambba: that should remove the lag |
| 16:15.52 | Zambba | He has got many proxies and "zombie" computers |
| 16:15.53 | joris | Zambba: you mean he stole the botnet from his 16yo brother? |
| 16:15.58 | Zambba | yea :D |
| 16:16.07 | Bac9 | joris: hahahahaha!!! |
| 16:16.10 | pureone | zambba update your dns to point to www.fbi.gov |
| 16:16.13 | tecta | Zambba |
| 16:16.18 | tecta | you should rob his botnet =P |
| 16:16.27 | Zambba | yea =P |
| 16:16.44 | Zambba | it's a big temptation to break the law.. DDoS monkeys really are monkeys |
| 16:16.51 | joris | pureone: interesting point, do you think many ddos 'tools' resolve the hostname frequently? |
| 16:17.02 | pureone | i would guess so |
| 16:17.10 | tecta | he prob doesn't use ssl. sniff until you get his irc server, connect and pretendd your a bit, when he logs in, login and ban his ass. or w/e |
| 16:17.18 | idnar | pureone, joris: I can't imagine using a hostname to perform a DDoS |
| 16:17.19 | Zambba | I hope my IP changes soon (I have dynamic IP, the attacker has only my current IP) |
| 16:17.20 | joris | pureone: I would hope so, but I kinda doubt it |
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| 16:17.51 | joris | Zambba: can't you just change ip's manually? dhcp release or ppp restart or something? |
| 16:17.58 | pureone | zambba turn off your computer for a while then you should get a new ip via the dhcp server if thats what you use |
| 16:17.59 | Bac9 | Zambba: take the interface down then bring it back up all in one command |
| 16:18.14 | tecta | reset your cable modem |
| 16:18.19 | Zambba | Hmm.. I get my IP from my ISP |
| 16:18.19 | Bac9 | Zambba: that'll change your ip, but I'll not be able to connect then |
| 16:18.28 | tecta | unless your 56k heh, then just reboot. |
| 16:18.53 | Bac9 | Zambba: iptables -I INPUT 1 -s !<your ip> -j DROP |
| 16:18.56 | Zambba | I think I have very long lease time, my computer can be 5 hours or something turned off and I get same IP when I connect again |
| 16:19.10 | Zambba | Bac9: I'm planning to do that but the SSH is very laggy atm |
| 16:19.15 | Bac9 | Zambba: then put in a LOG target and see who you get the most hits from |
| 16:19.20 | joris | Zambba: disconnect, then talk to your neighbour about using his open wifi access point? |
| 16:19.44 | tecta | get a router |
| 16:19.46 | Bac9 | Zambba: type it in, hit enter and wait, if you didn't make a mistake you should have no lag momentarily |
| 16:20.03 | Zambba | it took some 5 minutes to get the "login:" text.. |
| 16:20.19 | tecta | wow, are they DDoS'n you? |
| 16:20.28 | Bac9 | Zambba: learn to type blind |
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| 16:20.50 | Bac9 | tecta: either that or he has 10+ load from a runaway process |
| 16:20.59 | joris | Zambba: if you're with a quality isp, you could probably call them up |
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| 16:22.27 | tecta | Zambba what's your server's addr? |
| 16:23.40 | E-bola | When setting up loop-aes |
| 16:23.46 | E-bola | i did this to fill my partition with random stuff |
| 16:23.48 | E-bola | dd if=/dev/zero of=/dev/loop4 bs=4k conv=notrunc 2>/dev/null |
| 16:23.59 | E-bola | the partition is only 100gb, and so far it have taken 30mins? |
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| 16:24.18 | tecta | E-bola |
| 16:24.19 | tecta | heh |
| 16:24.26 | tecta | do a ctrl-D |
| 16:24.28 | war- | ebola :P |
| 16:24.31 | Zambba | joris: My ISP isn't interesting in this kind of things. |
| 16:24.37 | Zambba | interested* |
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| 16:24.43 | tecta | usually dd doesn't promp when done. |
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| 16:24.49 | E-bola | lol |
| 16:24.51 | E-bola | are u joking? |
| 16:24.51 | tecta | it probably is done. |
| 16:24.57 | joris | Zambba: too bad :/ Mine would jump up in arms |
| 16:25.09 | E-bola | tecta: but its still using cpu |
| 16:25.13 | Zambba | I called to customer care and they said that's not their business |
| 16:25.16 | erirlar | In rox i want to unpack a package when i click on it, so the command for *.tar.gz is |xterm -e tar xzf "$@"| but when i unpack it it extracts to my home dir, how can i get it to extract to dir where the *.tar.gz file is? |
| 16:25.39 | tecta | see if it has done its job. |
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| 16:26.04 | E-bola | tecta: how? |
| 16:26.27 | joris | Zambba: dealing with helpdesk 101: always skip first line, always project the damage to their systems. repeatedly ask for the manager to work your way up in the foodchain |
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| 16:26.50 | tecta | E-bola: by ctrl-c'n and seein' if it has done whatever you wanted. |
| 16:27.01 | E-bola | but if it isnt done |
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| 16:27.06 | E-bola | i ahve to do it all over again if i stop it |
| 16:27.06 | E-bola | :( |
| 16:27.07 | Spods | hello |
| 16:27.24 | Bac9 | erirlar: it extracts to the place where you run tar from so run it from another place |
| 16:27.25 | tecta | E-bola: well, everytime I use dd - It does the same, and it always is done. |
| 16:27.45 | E-bola | tecta: and continues to use cpu? |
| 16:27.48 | Spods | does anyone know what tool i should be using to find out which process is actively writing data to disk, my hard drive keeps filling up when there should be ample room |
| 16:27.50 | tecta | yes. |
| 16:27.57 | E-bola | heh actualy thinking about it |
| 16:27.58 | tecta | it's still running isn't it? :) |
| 16:28.01 | E-bola | this step is completely unnecesary |
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| 16:28.04 | E-bola | its just to clean old data |
| 16:28.15 | E-bola | and who cares when i will fill the partition with new data in a few minutes heh |
| 16:28.22 | E-bola | lol |
| 16:28.28 | E-bola | it stopped! just as we where talking about it |
| 16:28.41 | pureone | zambba do you run snort ? |
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| 16:28.50 | Zambba | I don't think so :D |
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| 16:29.14 | pureone | you should do it can help pick up bad stuff |
| 16:29.20 | Zambba | I haven't have modified almost anything, normal sarge |
| 16:29.28 | pureone | :O |
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| 16:29.56 | E-bola | what happens if u make an error in fstab, so it cant be mounted on bootup |
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| 16:30.01 | E-bola | will the server still bootup fine? |
| 16:30.08 | E-bola | (asuming its just a sort of archive directory) |
| 16:30.28 | tecta | yeah it should still boot fine |
| 16:30.41 | Spods | ebola: it will just skip it, it just wont mount, assuming it's not a disk that isn't crucial to boot with |
| 16:30.44 | tecta | as long as it isn't / that wasn't mounted |
| 16:31.14 | Spods | it'll probably give you an error in syslog as well |
| 16:31.25 | Spods | i would hope so anyway |
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| 16:34.06 | fabian13 | waarom wordt er bij ict opleidingen niet gewerkt met gtk,xdev of Qt |
| 16:34.48 | fabian13 | Waarom is er in Nederland zo'n mentaliteit |
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| 16:35.23 | Spods | anyone know about tracing processes in active writes to disk? |
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| 16:35.46 | fabian13 | am i the problem |
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| 16:35.55 | jair_11 | guys how could I connect to IRC using ssl? |
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| 16:36.11 | jair_11 | or it depends of the server if support it or not? |
| 16:36.25 | Spods | jair: the server would need to support it |
| 16:36.31 | simonrvn | jair_11: #freenode |
| 16:36.38 | simonrvn | or see the FAQ |
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| 16:36.45 | Spods | !disk |
| 16:36.46 | dpkg | it has been said that disk is that which stores Debian, its packages, your resume, and other junk. ;) |
| 16:36.52 | alindeman | jair_11: You can't on freenode; *apologetic look* |
| 16:36.53 | jair_11 | simonrvn, ohh ok |
| 16:37.04 | jair_11 | alindeman, I knew it |
| 16:37.08 | simonrvn | oh, i thought it supported it |
| 16:37.16 | jair_11 | alindeman, any server that you know support it? |
| 16:37.16 | fabian13 | where can i learn to program in linux guys |
| 16:37.17 | alindeman | At one time we did |
| 16:37.27 | alindeman | jair_11: Not really, I'm unfamiliar with other networks |
| 16:37.28 | jair_11 | simonrvn, I thogh that did not |
| 16:37.34 | jair_11 | alindeman, ok |
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| 16:37.46 | simonrvn | fabian13: program what? |
| 16:37.47 | jair_11 | perfect I will be doing a research on google then |
| 16:37.52 | jair_11 | thanks |
| 16:37.56 | jair_11 | thank you |
| 16:38.06 | fabian13 | gtk and Qt |
| 16:38.38 | fabian13 | learning how to use these c based languages properly |
| 16:39.01 | Spods | !process |
| 16:39.13 | Spods | ok |
| 16:39.21 | simonrvn | i assume the respective sites have links to tutorials and such |
| 16:39.28 | LinuxMafia | all : i tried lots of things to bypass bios password on toshiba laptop any one has any idea? i just want to boot from cd |
| 16:39.41 | fabian13 | that's my main problem since everytime i compile from source it fails |
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| 16:39.52 | krystalino | my debian box is soooo slooooow in comparison to Windows 98 or WinXP. Can i do things to improve that ? |
| 16:39.59 | priest | LinuxMafia: tried the battery? |
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| 16:40.30 | priest | krystalino: are you running kde? |
| 16:40.45 | LinuxMafia | priest: cant open the box |
| 16:40.51 | krystalino | priest, nope, gnome. But it's the same with windowmaker |
| 16:40.52 | priest | LinuxMafia: why not? |
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| 16:41.01 | priest | krystalino: use fluxbox |
| 16:41.08 | jair_11 | anyone here knows about one that support it? |
| 16:41.19 | krystalino | priest, the same. Software loads slowly |
| 16:41.22 | jair_11 | anyone here knows about one IRC server that support SSL? |
| 16:41.41 | LinuxMafia | priest: it is very complicated |
| 16:41.44 | krystalino | i read about hdparm, and check if dma was activated. It was. Can i go further ? |
| 16:41.51 | priest | krystalino: buy a newer computer, or use console based aplications :P |
| 16:42.04 | krystalino | priest, or change to windows XP ? |
| 16:42.25 | priest | krystalino: oh no. how much ram do you have? and which cpu? |
| 16:42.28 | krystalino | openoffice runs very faster |
| 16:42.39 | krystalino | priest, 700 MB |
| 16:42.50 | krystalino | priest, pentium M 1.5 |
| 16:42.53 | chops | What's the thing to do with debian/copyright when a package is an aggregation of many upstreams? List each upstream author and URL? |
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| 16:43.15 | bit0 | i can't configure my soyntec keyboard, any help, please |
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| 16:43.32 | wye | hi all |
| 16:43.52 | chops | krystalino: Not using DMA, maybe? Try installing hdparm and say 'hdparm /dev/hda'. Does it say 'using_dma = 1'? |
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| 16:44.08 | fabian13 | i quit sorry for being such a drag |
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| 16:44.28 | priest | krystalino: and try "hdparm -t -T /dev/hda" to see the read speed. |
| 16:44.33 | chops | krystalino: NM, I just read the log. :-) |
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| 16:44.51 | pureone | fabian13 what language ? |
| 16:44.57 | pureone | "linux" is not a language... |
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| 16:45.13 | FieldySnuts | @start a language war |
| 16:45.14 | ravenbird | COBOL is better than Oberon |
| 16:45.30 | wye | i have a dell 410 slim laptop with a usb cdrom, when im trying to install sarge, it starts the installation, but when it tryes to recognize the cdrom it crashes, how can i install the debian base system, kernel, modules etc from the net? there is some way? |
| 16:45.37 | TwistedEmotions | Anyone know why when I open Thunderbird the settings for my email dont stick...? They just get lost? |
| 16:46.09 | TwistedEmotions | wye... are you using a net install cd? |
| 16:46.26 | Spods | TwistedEmotios: do you have access to write to ~/.thunderbird ? |
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| 16:46.48 | Spods | top |
| 16:47.17 | wye | TwistedEmotions, i had try some net iso of www.debian.org but them need to install the debian base system from the cd, and then, will install the other packages from the net, but i need to install all from the net, is it possible? |
| 16:47.49 | Spods | whoops, wrong window |
| 16:47.57 | TwistedEmotions | Spods... I think I do... dont know why not.. |
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| 16:48.37 | Bac9 | wye: 6 diskettes is the smallest net install |
| 16:49.02 | TwistedEmotions | wye: Is you use a sarge installation then it should have the extra modules or whatever needed to install your USB Cdrom withouth crashing.. |
| 16:49.07 | Spods | TwistedEmotions: fine out with a 'ls -lah ~/ |grep .thunderbird' |
| 16:49.07 | TwistedEmotions | *If. |
| 16:49.21 | Spods | fomd out even |
| 16:49.25 | wye | Bac9, hehe, there is my another problem, i havent floopy in my laptop |
| 16:49.26 | Spods | find out |
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| 16:49.43 | Spods | i'll get it one day... damn dyslexic keyboard... |
| 16:49.46 | TwistedEmotions | drwxr-xr-x 3 ash ash 4.0K 2005-05-06 23:25 .mozilla-thunderbird |
| 16:49.49 | Bac9 | wye: then try the sarge install with the new installer, I've heard of great success stories |
| 16:49.50 | procrastinator | Is there a good place to get free (as in freedom) fonts? |
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| 16:50.02 | Bac9 | procrastinator: the debian archives |
| 16:50.07 | krystalino | priest, chops : /dev/hda: Timing cached reads: 280 MB in 2.04 seconds = 137.01 MB/sec Timing buffered disk reads: 70 MB in 3.15 seconds = 22.22 MB/sec. Is it normal or low ? |
| 16:50.15 | TwistedEmotions | Spods: Is that good enough? |
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| 16:50.20 | Spods | TwistedEmotions: well that seems fine. |
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| 16:50.27 | TwistedEmotions | kk |
| 16:50.36 | Spods | but i don't know why it wouldn't save the settings |
| 16:50.37 | TwistedEmotions | let me try setting up again and see if it loses settings |
| 16:50.55 | Mage___ | anyone using vsftpd ? |
| 16:50.57 | chops | krystalino: That seems fine. Which applications are starting slowly? |
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| 16:51.17 | krystalino | chops, hdparm /dev/hda;/dev/hda:; multcount = 16 (on); IO_support = 0 (default 16-bit); unmaskirq = 0 (off); using_dma = 1 (on); keepsettings = 0 (off); readonly = 0 (off); readahead = 256 (on); geometry = 16383/255/63, sectors = 30005821440, start = 0 |
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| 16:51.30 | Darkrazor | Does anybody know when Debian is releasing Gnome 2.10 in unstable? |
| 16:51.36 | TwistedEmotions | brb... Wait how do I shutdown the GUI interface only? |
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| 16:51.40 | Mage___ | Darkrazor: when it's ready |
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| 16:51.44 | superlinux | hi all |
| 16:52.15 | Spods | TwistedEmotion: as in xwindows? |
| 16:52.19 | procrastinator | Bac9: Thanks, I'll take a look. I'm still open for other suggestions. |
| 16:52.24 | krystalino | chops, all applications. Especially i can notice that because i have windows XP on the same computer, and software i have installed on both (openoffice, emacs, audacity), starts (load) very faster on windows |
| 16:52.29 | superlinux | i am asking for a debian compatable TV tuner? plz give me the brand the model of it cheap as possible. |
| 16:52.30 | Darkrazor | Mage___: Okay, and when would that be, could I see somewhere how far they are? |
| 16:52.34 | TwistedEmotions | yeah as if xfe4 or whatever its called.. |
| 16:52.37 | TwistedEmotions | *in |
| 16:52.46 | krystalino | superlinux, haupage, wintvexpress |
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| 16:52.51 | superlinux | ok |
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| 16:53.19 | superlinux | krystalino, it does come with radio? |
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| 16:53.30 | krystalino | superlinux, nope, only tv |
| 16:53.40 | superlinux | wich one is both? |
| 16:53.42 | jcb | is there an easy way to convert all filenames in a dir to uppercase? |
| 16:53.44 | chops | krystalino: I'm not sure what to tell you, then... sorry. |
| 16:53.50 | chops | :-( |
| 16:53.51 | krystalino | chops, np |
| 16:53.59 | bbrazil | jcb: rename |
| 16:54.01 | superlinux | krystalino, wich one is both? |
| 16:54.05 | Spods | twistedemotions: if you started up with 'startx' you could just kill the application, or do ctrl+alt+backspace. if it starts with a window manager you need to do /etc/init.d/kdm stop (or /etc/init.d/gdm stop, or /etc/init.d/<whatever> stop) |
| 16:54.15 | krystalino | superlinux, dunno |
| 16:54.16 | superlinux | and debian compatable? |
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| 16:54.18 | superlinux | ok |
| 16:54.29 | TwistedEmotions | Spods; thanks |
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| 16:55.33 | Spods | im mrusty with irc, how do i get a channel list for this network? |
| 16:55.44 | Spods | s/mrusty/rusty |
| 16:55.55 | Spods | with a traling / |
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| 16:56.07 | Spods | not so great on the keyboard today.. |
| 16:56.09 | Martin_Olesen | Followed this link http://www.falkotimme.com/howtos/debian_kernel2.6_compile/index.php with succes, but can't seem to get my mouse working in X if i try cat /dev/psaux No such device the same goes for /dev/input/mice. cat /proc/bus/input/devices gives finds N:="ImPS/S Generic Wheel Mouse" P: Phys=isa0060/serio1/input0 H: Handelers = nothing.. don't know if there is anyone whom has an idea, I'v been doing some google but can't |
| 16:56.11 | wye | i was searching for more net iso images, thanks for all dudes :) |
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| 16:56.50 | Bac9 | Martin_Olesen: /dev/input/mouse0 |
| 16:56.55 | chops | jcb: for x in *; do mv -i $x `echo $x | tr a-z A-Z`; done |
| 16:57.13 | superlinux | krystalino, i opened the site of the Tv tuner.. does not exist |
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| 16:57.18 | Martin_Olesen | Bac9 No Such Device |
| 16:57.26 | Bac9 | Martin_Olesen: and if you made the mouse driver a module make sure you load it |
| 16:57.48 | krystalino | superlinux, i just bought it 3 weeks ago, lol |
| 16:58.10 | superlinux | ok |
| 16:58.18 | superlinux | ok i'll ask abt it |
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| 16:58.33 | Martin_Olesen | Bac9: I'm trying lsmod and can see a usbmouse in the list.. is that it.? |
| 16:58.58 | erirlar | whats a good file-manager? |
| 16:59.04 | Bac9 | Martin_Olesen: and is it a usb mouse? check where it's linked against and use that device node |
| 16:59.25 | Bac9 | Martin_Olesen: ls /dev/input <- see if anything is in there |
| 16:59.31 | superlinux | who knows any TV tuner for debian other than winTV? |
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| 16:59.40 | Bac9 | erirlar: xterm + ls |
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| 17:00.14 | nomed^ | hi |
| 17:00.38 | nomed^ | how can check who's sending sounds to my device? |
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| 17:01.01 | Xenguy | erirlar: I like emelfm (lean) and krusader (nicely bloated ;-) |
| 17:01.02 | Bac9 | nomed^: lsof | grep "/dev/dsp" |
| 17:01.08 | superlinux | krystalino, some one should tell the manufacturers to say if linux compatable!!!! |
| 17:01.13 | joel_ | lsof /dev/dsp |
| 17:01.13 | nomed^ | i hear some strange sounds and i can't understand from where do they came from? |
| 17:01.15 | Spods | superlinux: the pvr hardware database has ratings from actual users of tv capture devices http://pvrhw.goldfish.org/tiki-pvrhwdb.php |
| 17:01.17 | Martin_Olesen | Bac9: It's a Microsoft Usb mouse.. how can I see what it's linked against.. dev/input has mouse0-3 mice js0-3 and event0-3 |
| 17:01.45 | superlinux | thanks Spods |
| 17:01.50 | superlinux | i'll see it |
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| 17:01.55 | Bac9 | Martin_Olesen: try mouse[1-3] and see if they produce responce, otherwise google to see what the mouse uses in linux |
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| 17:02.16 | goron | I have a SIR connector. I read it's an internal one. It might be a stupid question, but I am not sure what the use is of such an internal infrared connector. (as infrared signal do not propagate through the metal case). |
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| 17:02.46 | chops | nomed^: lsof | egrep '/dev/(dsp|audio|sound)' |
| 17:02.54 | Bac9 | goron: you plug in a ir reciever onto the connector and use ir that way |
| 17:02.56 | Spods | superlinux: on the left there is a linx called "top tuners in use" and "view database" which you'll probably wanna check out |
| 17:03.11 | Spods | links i meant |
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| 17:03.35 | superlinux | ok |
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| 17:04.32 | superlinux | i'll get a Hauppauge |
| 17:04.45 | goron | Bac9: ow, ok. I guess that's not included with the motherboard. Thanks. |
| 17:05.02 | Spods | they seem to be the leader, and i've been eyeing of the PVR 350 for a while |
| 17:05.10 | Martin_Olesen | Bac9: thanks I'll try google some more any suggenstions what to search for.. |
| 17:05.33 | Bac9 | goron: it's designed to connect one in built into the case, although I haven't actually seen cases with ir transmitters/recievers aside from laptops |
| 17:05.35 | Spods | superlinux: you do realise that hauppauge are the manufacturers of WinTV range tho |
| 17:05.54 | nomed^ | what's gdomap? |
| 17:05.57 | Bac9 | Martin_Olesen: the model of your mouse and "linux" |
| 17:06.45 | TwistedEmotions | Spods: thanks... thunderbird works now.. |
| 17:06.46 | nomed^ | how can i check if someone from outside is trying to connect to my pc? |
| 17:06.51 | goron | Bac9: A7N8X-E Deluxe has one. |
| 17:07.04 | Bac9 | nomed^: tcpdump |
| 17:07.04 | Spods | twistedemotions: what did you do to get it up and running? |
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| 17:07.15 | TwistedEmotions | Errrr... still have to re-do all the settings that I lost.. |
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| 17:07.25 | Bac9 | goron: link please if you have one handy (I wana look a t the pic) |
| 17:07.33 | superlinux | bye |
| 17:07.44 | superlinux | thanks for helping superlinux |
| 17:08.04 | goron | Martin_Olesen: If you are having problems with your mouse. Make sure you have all the kernel modules loaded for usb. It's quite easy to forget one. |
| 17:08.09 | TwistedEmotions | Spods: Prayed? I dont know.. the first time I set it up it lost all its settings... but seems to be working fine now. |
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| 17:08.42 | Spods | twistedemotions: weird. |
| 17:08.54 | Bac9 | Martin_Olesen: I also assume you have discover2 installed and maybe hotplug too |
| 17:09.06 | Spods | i'm still looking for someone who knows how I can detect which process is writing to my hard disk |
| 17:09.14 | Spods | ps ax|grep |
| 17:09.16 | TwistedEmotions | Ohhhhh... spods... I'm running it under user #ash this time... last time I ran it under #root command... .could that be it... thinks two different users? |
| 17:09.19 | Spods | whoops |
| 17:09.20 | bbrazil | Spods: lsof, fuser |
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| 17:09.34 | bbrazil | Spods: and of course the kernel |
| 17:09.36 | Spods | fuser |
| 17:09.42 | goron | Bac9: http://usa.asus.com/prog/spec.asp?m=A7N8X-E%20Deluxe&langs=09 |
| 17:09.43 | Spods | that's what i'm looking for |
| 17:09.45 | Spods | thanks |
| 17:10.04 | goron | Spods: famd? |
| 17:10.12 | furrywolf | woot. only 16 minutes left on a torrent I've been downloading for a couple weeks now. |
| 17:10.42 | Bac9 | goron: that's just a motherboard, I know a lot of them have ir headers, I am refering to an actual case that can plug onto that headder |
| 17:10.44 | Spods | gorond: i don't have famd installed and my hard disk is full (and i don't want to delete more files just to get it there |
| 17:10.46 | simonrvn | furrywolf: WTF? |
| 17:10.48 | nomed^ | what is arp? arp who-has debian tell box ? |
| 17:10.58 | simonrvn | man arp |
| 17:11.03 | Bac9 | furrywolf: don't jinx it |
| 17:11.10 | goron | Bac9: How do you mean? |
| 17:11.11 | furrywolf | simon: 5.4gb. :) |
| 17:11.16 | simonrvn | furrywolf: break a leg ;) |
| 17:11.24 | simonrvn | wOw |
| 17:11.37 | goron | You mean builtin receiver? |
| 17:11.38 | Spods | twistedemotions: well two different users will have two different settings directories for thunderbird |
| 17:11.39 | simonrvn | at what, 2.4 k/s? ;p |
| 17:12.15 | goron | !root |
| 17:12.15 | dpkg | It has been said that root is the administrative account - only use it when root power is needed. So no reading mail, compiling programs, or running applications as root. And don't even think about irc'ing as root, it increases the danger from exploits and trojans (such as bliss), or see, for example, the security advisory on BitchX http://www.debian.org/security/2003/dsa-306 |
| 17:12.28 | ohbutidoknow | hehe |
| 17:12.58 | TwistedEmotions | Spods: Yeah just tested it... that was the problem. Thanks ;) |
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| 17:13.04 | DaHooD | !thx |
| 17:13.04 | dpkg | THX is an audio technology company founded by George Lucas. See http://www.thx.com. If you mean "thanks", please just say so. Thx. |
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| 17:13.46 | MeToo | !useless |
| 17:13.46 | dpkg | Why, yes, Flood is useless, isn't he. |
| 17:13.58 | Spods | twistedemotions: "~" in a directory path means the home directory of the current user, for a normal user that is /home/<username> for root it's /root |
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| 17:14.49 | MeToo | Bac9: You meant a built-in IR receiver/sender? |
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| 17:15.30 | procrastinator | What's wrong with http://archive.debian.org ? |
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| 17:15.45 | Bac9 | nomed^: arp is a harp without the h :-) |
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| 17:16.17 | TwistedEmotions | Spods: yeah i know that... the part that confused me was that once I ran the command from the #root prompt and the next time I launched from GUI not realizing two different users ;) |
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| 17:16.19 | Bac9 | MeToo: yep |
| 17:16.56 | nomed^ | is it possible that someone was sending sound to my audio device? |
| 17:17.04 | Martin_Olesen | Bac9: I did apt-get install discover mdetect edid-read dont know if that's discover2 |
| 17:17.06 | Spods | twistedemotions: yeah i do that myself sometimes when i have 6+ console's running and i forget which one is doing what |
| 17:17.25 | nomed^ | because i was hearing some strange sounds ... and it was not me .__. |
| 17:17.42 | TwistedEmotions | Spods: 6? Errr... I was running 1.. Weeeee ;) |
| 17:17.56 | IDC | night,all |
| 17:18.02 | TwistedEmotions | IDC: night |
| 17:18.03 | Martin_Olesen | Goron I followed the link http://www.falkotimme.com/howtos/debian_kernel2.6_compile/index.php and used the config file He has.. so hopefully all usb is included.. |
| 17:18.11 | Bac9 | Martin_Olesen: there's discover and discover2, the latter being version 2... but doesn't matter, go read up on where linux places that model of the mouse in the /dev tree and what drivers it needs |
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| 17:18.53 | Spods | twistedemotions: then you might not have an excuse for that one ;) |
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| 17:20.35 | TwistedEmotions | Spods: I mean I only had one terminal open... cause... errr.... on yeah... I had 20 screens open... yeah.. thats my story and I'm sticking to it. |
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| 17:21.16 | CoffeeBreaks | Hi. I have an amd64 specific question by the amd64 channel seemed empty. I have a MSI board with a nforce4 chipset and Marvell 88E1111 driver. I've tried the latest sarge debian installer ISO but they fail on me, not being able to find driver for the network. I found out that I should use the forcedeth driver, but even if defined in the /proc/config.gz file, it doesn't appear to be on the /lib/modules or /lib64/modules directory. So I won |
| 17:21.20 | Martin_Olesen | Bac9: if that means discover and read the list it shows, then I have 4 unknown unknown nothing about mouse |
| 17:22.12 | Bac9 | Martin_Olesen: "discover" load the nessesary modules, maybe it doesn't know about your mouse, maybe it already loaded it, check google to be sure |
| 17:22.30 | priest | krystalino: sorry for the delay ;) it's not fast as a new disc, but it should be okey. |
| 17:22.47 | krystalino | priest, k |
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| 17:22.50 | Spods | twistedemotions: yes of course :) |
| 17:23.04 | krystalino | priest, it's on a laptop tho :) |
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| 17:23.38 | Martin_Olesen | Bac9: ooo and after a reboot if I do cat /dev/psaux i get input: ImPS/2 Generic whhel Mouse on isa0060/serio1 cat: /dev/psaux: No such device, if I do it again I just get No such device.. |
| 17:23.51 | priest | krystalino: how long time do it take to load apps? like firefox and openoffice? |
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| 17:24.24 | Bac9 | Martin_Olesen: donno, read up |
| 17:24.27 | slappy14 | mornin all. Im having an issue apt-install update on my woody.. it fials with E: dynamic MMap ran out of room E: The package lists or status file could not be parsed or opened. I have plenty of disk space and swap, should i copy in an old status file? |
| 17:24.29 | krystalino | priest, about 40 sec for ooo, and 15s for firefox |
| 17:24.39 | Martin_Olesen | Bac9 kay thanks anyway.. |
| 17:24.57 | shingouz | !tell slappy14 about mmap |
| 17:24.58 | Bac9 | Martin_Olesen: good luck |
| 17:24.59 | mwilson | slappy14: What would that do, other than break things utterly? Why would you hit on that as a soluttion? |
| 17:25.18 | priest | krystalino: and when it's cached? |
| 17:25.37 | Spods | alright, im outta here. |
| 17:25.44 | slappy14 | mwilson: if i knew the anwser, i wouldnt be here |
| 17:25.46 | krystalino | priest, maybe 1/2 of the initial time |
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| 17:25.57 | slappy14 | answer, even |
| 17:26.02 | priest | krystalino: are you using a kernel image? |
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| 17:26.30 | mwilson | slappy14: If you suggest it, you must think it would do something. |
| 17:26.37 | krystalino | priest, i tried both |
| 17:26.52 | slappy14 | do i detect elitism? |
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| 17:27.06 | TwistedEmotions | 2.6.8 is the newest kernel out for testing ? |
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| 17:27.22 | slappy14 | and this is why folks will fork to ubuntu..i see now.. |
| 17:27.27 | mwilson | slappy14: No, you detect someone asking you why you would do something. |
| 17:27.36 | adexta | okay, i've given up looking for it: where would i find the /dev/ location of my Nikon? |
| 17:27.41 | shingouz | slappy14: Did you check what dpkg msg'ed you? |
| 17:27.56 | slappy14 | shingouz: nope, missed it |
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| 17:28.04 | shingouz | !tell slappy14 about mmap |
| 17:28.14 | shingouz | slappy14: There it is again :) |
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| 17:28.45 | slappy14 | shingouz: thank you very much, i added a line very similar to that, but id dint add it in apt.conf.d |
| 17:28.52 | slappy14 | or under that dir. thanks again |
| 17:28.56 | slappy14 | ^^ |
| 17:28.59 | shingouz | slappy14: Try that one out, maybe it helps |
| 17:29.19 | slappy14 | wow, you're alot easier than mwilson |
| 17:29.49 | shingouz | slappy14: And I have a bad day too for that matter |
| 17:30.01 | mwilson | Yes, how dare I actually ask a question. |
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| 17:30.10 | caphuso | "Results 1 - 50 of about 2,310 for apt-get dynamic mmap ran out of room" |
| 17:30.21 | adexta | i just connected a nikon digital camera to my computer via USB and am attempting to mount it. Where would i find out the location (i.e. /dev/camera)? |
| 17:30.25 | caphuso | guess where that came from... |
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| 17:30.46 | mwilson | caphuso: Now, now, you surely didn't expect him to do anything for himself, did you? |
| 17:30.53 | shingouz | adexta: Probably looks like a scsi drive |
| 17:31.13 | slappy14 | yes, it would be difficult |
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| 17:31.14 | caphuso | mwilson: well, i'm more or less happy that he asked before replace the status file |
| 17:31.21 | caphuso | s/ce/cing/ |
| 17:31.42 | caphuso | adexta: run "dmesg" |
| 17:31.46 | slappy14 | #debian, a bad rap? no, no. |
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| 17:33.09 | adexta | shingouz: it is a scsi drive |
| 17:33.19 | shingouz | adexta: Then use it as such |
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| 17:33.47 | adexta | i don't know how to! |
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| 17:34.04 | shingouz | adexta: man mount, man fstab |
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| 17:34.17 | adexta | i've read man mount, and i know what fstab is |
| 17:34.21 | adexta | i just don't understand them |
| 17:34.27 | adexta | that's why i came here |
| 17:34.31 | nomed^ | how can i check who's actually connected to my apache server? |
| 17:34.32 | shingouz | adexta: I hazard a guess that the filesystem would be vfat on the camera |
| 17:34.57 | adexta | nomed^: #apache |
| 17:35.10 | adexta | shingouz: okay |
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| 17:35.39 | shingouz | adexta: In a very basic form "mount -t vfat /dev/sda1 /mountpoint" as root should take care of it. You just have to check what the actual device is and make a mountpoint for it |
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| 17:36.05 | adexta | shingouz: thank you; i'll try that |
| 17:36.09 | caphuso | you also want to use the uid/gid/umask options |
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| 17:36.29 | caphuso | 'cause mounting the thing but not being able to access it sucks |
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| 17:36.53 | shingouz | caphuso: Do they always have to be used with removable media or ntfs? |
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| 17:37.22 | cplx | !fix oakland |
| 17:37.31 | caphuso | shingouz: if you mount it as root, then all files will be only usable by root |
| 17:38.03 | adexta | my current problem is that (i think) the camera doesn't have the files on it |
| 17:38.06 | shingouz | caphuso: Of course but if I put "user" in fstab for a removable vfat, would that not take care of it too |
| 17:38.07 | adexta | for some reason or another |
| 17:38.33 | adexta | rachel:/mnt/camera# ls -sSh |
| 17:38.33 | adexta | total 16K |
| 17:38.33 | adexta | 8.0K dcim 8.0K nikon001.dsc |
| 17:38.46 | shingouz | adexta: Off to shoot some pics then. shoo :) |
| 17:39.04 | adexta | the card should have pics on it though |
| 17:39.09 | caphuso | shingouz: if it doesn't get automounted and only the user who mounts the filesystem should be able to access the files, then yes |
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| 17:39.47 | Bac9 | vrt: at least you're not a purplie dinosour |
| 17:39.57 | shingouz | caphuso: Ok, that was what I though too. So the gid and umask should be used if user0 mounts and user1 wants to use? |
| 17:40.02 | joel_ | adexta: go in the dcim directory |
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| 17:40.08 | caphuso | shingouz: yeah |
| 17:40.17 | doub | Bac9: it would have been fun |
| 17:40.23 | shingouz | caphuso: K, I think I got it ;) |
| 17:40.28 | Bac9 | doub: for who? |
| 17:40.37 | adexta | ah, you rock |
| 17:40.39 | doub | Bac9: everybody |
| 17:40.43 | adexta | it didn't show up green |
| 17:40.45 | adexta | that threw me at first |
| 17:40.49 | Bac9 | doub: I don't have nearly enough amo stokpiled for that yet :-) |
| 17:41.14 | doub | Bac9: how can a dinosaur, or anything else, hurt you through IRC ? |
| 17:41.21 | shingouz | adexta: I am not sure if you can actually read stuff that the Nikon has stored as "raw", I have heard some rumors that Nikon has something encrypted in that particular format. |
| 17:41.43 | Bac9 | doub: you obviously never seen the purple dinosour have you? |
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| 17:42.07 | adexta | there's a whole lot of .jpg files there. |
| 17:42.07 | doub | Bac9: a pink bunny, however, is much smaller and thus can hide inside TCP packets |
| 17:42.14 | Bac9 | shingouz: the white-balance I believe is encrypted, but the file should be readable |
| 17:42.21 | doub | Bac9: no i didn't |
| 17:42.27 | shingouz | adexta: Then you should be good with it |
| 17:42.42 | Bac9 | doub: oh and obviously you never seen the pink bunny either, the one that just keeps going and going? |
| 17:42.49 | Bac9 | doub: you're lucky |
| 17:42.54 | doub | Bac9: i did see this one |
| 17:42.55 | shingouz | Bac9: Hmm... Nikon should still be slapped. Awesome cameras but the problem with raw is annoying |
| 17:43.05 | adexta | oh boy, 83 MB of photos |
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| 17:43.15 | adexta | i think i have USB 2 though |
| 17:43.24 | shingouz | brb |
| 17:43.24 | doub | Bac9: he was standing on my shoulder yesterday evening |
| 17:43.32 | cbr | gftp-gtk crashes for me :S |
| 17:43.42 | SerajewelKS | are there any known issues with debian sarge that would be causing SIGTERM to be periodically sent to apache2? |
| 17:43.46 | cbr | when it starts reconnecting to some site it has been denied accessing |
| 17:43.49 | cbr | it just freezes |
| 17:43.53 | SerajewelKS | it seems to be happening every sunday at 7:35 AM |
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| 17:43.59 | Bac9 | doub: did you have an earge to pull the battery out? |
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| 17:44.26 | Bac9 | SerajewelKS: log rotation? |
| 17:44.32 | doub | Bac9: there was no battery |
| 17:44.46 | Bac9 | doub: they you've got bigger problems to worry about |
| 17:44.58 | doub | Bac9: it's a living animal being, no batteries |
| 17:45.12 | SerajewelKS | Bac9, can i have log rotation *not* restart the server? i rigged up a PHP script that spawns off an instance of wvdial, so my relatives can control my dial-up connection. every time this happens, wvdial gets killed off too. |
| 17:45.24 | Bac9 | doub: a living pink bunny... yes you really have some problems to worry about |
| 17:46.03 | Bac9 | SerajewelKS: check the log rotation scripts... and check other things in cron if it's really so regular |
| 17:46.05 | SerajewelKS | or can i spawn something from apache without apache being its parent process? |
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| 17:46.15 | SerajewelKS | i've checked cron already.. didn't find much |
| 17:46.28 | doub | Bac9: which are? |
| 17:46.38 | Bac9 | doub: that's for you to figure out |
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| 17:46.58 | Bac9 | doub: I try to stay away from other people's pink bunnies or purple dinosours |
| 17:47.09 | SerajewelKS | i do have anacron up, and cron only does its weekly stuff if anacron isn't found |
| 17:47.16 | mwilson | Doesn't apache restart itself every week? |
| 17:47.26 | doub | Bac9: that might be a very enjoyable encounter, but it's up to you |
| 17:47.53 | Bac9 | doub: I still value what ever is left of my sanity, thank you |
| 17:47.56 | bbrazil | mwilson: graceful due to logrotate |
| 17:48.06 | SerajewelKS | mwilson, that's possible... it would have to be at a specific date though, not just when it's been running for a week, because i rebooted yesterday |
| 17:48.10 | Bac9 | SerajewelKS: anacron launches cron stuff |
| 17:48.27 | mwilson | No, anacron launches anacron stuff. |
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| 17:48.33 | cplx | !fix oakland |
| 17:48.33 | doub | Bac9: me too |
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| 17:49.03 | Bac9 | mwilson: and the anacron stuff does the cron stuff, how do you think cron.d and cron.daily get executed when anacron is present? |
| 17:49.06 | SerajewelKS | is logrotate weekly, monthly... ? |
| 17:49.16 | mwilson | Bac9: They don't, of course. |
| 17:49.32 | mwilson | Bac9: anacron has it's own /etc/anacrontab, always has. |
| 17:49.38 | Bac9 | mwilson: strange that the scripts in those directories do get run though |
| 17:49.56 | mwilson | Bac9: So look at your anacrontab, see what gets run. |
| 17:49.57 | SerajewelKS | oh heck yeah |
| 17:50.04 | SerajewelKS | /etc/logrotate.d/apache2 |
| 17:50.07 | SerajewelKS | there's the culprit |
| 17:50.54 | mwilson | Well, yeah... if you rotate the log file out from under it, you kinda have to restart it. |
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| 17:51.28 | SerajewelKS | hmm.. so i don't want it to rotate the log periodically, but i would like it to rotate the logs on reboot |
| 17:51.35 | SerajewelKS | only the apache logs on reboot |
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| 17:51.38 | TwistedEmotions | How do I get samba to share a printer? |
| 17:51.41 | mwilson | You *don't* want it to rotate the logs? |
| 17:51.46 | mwilson | Whyever not? |
| 17:52.01 | SerajewelKS | well i don't want it to restart, so that kinds removes the possibility of log rotation while it's running |
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| 17:52.03 | Bac9 | TwistedEmotions: by following the sharing-the-printer-over-samba howto, see tldp.org |
| 17:52.13 | drzed | hy there! |
| 17:52.18 | mwilson | You care if it takes a moment to restart because...? |
| 17:52.21 | TwistedEmotions | Bac9, thanks |
| 17:52.26 | SerajewelKS | because wvdial is spawned by apache |
| 17:52.26 | Bac9 | SerajewelKS: maybe there's another signal you can send it aside from term |
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| 17:52.38 | SerajewelKS | so restarting apache kills my connection |
| 17:53.02 | SerajewelKS | the line in /etc/logrotate.d/apache2 is "/etc/init.d/apache2 restart > /dev/null" |
| 17:53.09 | SerajewelKS | would s/restart/reload/ suffice? |
| 17:53.16 | mwilson | Sounds like the *correct* answer is to not have apache controlling the connection. |
| 17:53.17 | SerajewelKS | or does reloading not close and reopen logs? |
| 17:53.26 | drzed | just a silly question on slapd(open ldap server): where is the password of the admin saved? |
| 17:53.28 | SerajewelKS | mwilson, yes, that indeed is |
| 17:53.39 | mwilson | SerajewelKS: Depends on what the actual init script (and the application) do, of course. |
| 17:53.43 | SerajewelKS | but i am too lazy to write a daemon that just controlls wvdial |
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| 17:53.52 | bbrazil | drzed: its in /etc/ldap/splad.conf iirc |
| 17:54.14 | Bac9 | SerajewelKS: have you looked at linesrv? |
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| 17:54.20 | frealek | hi |
| 17:54.23 | drzed | bbrazil: nope, unfortunately not |
| 17:54.29 | SerajewelKS | Bac9, if it would solve this problem, then no =) |
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| 17:54.45 | bbrazil | drzed: dpkg -L splad | grep etc :) |
| 17:54.55 | leonardo | ./join #debian-es |
| 17:54.55 | Bac9 | SerajewelKS: it's designed for exactly what I think you're trying to do, yes it has a win32 client |
| 17:55.15 | SerajewelKS | okay, in apache2's init.d script, "restart" kills it and restarts it... "reload" sends apachectl the "graceful" operation |
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| 17:55.47 | Bac9 | SerajewelKS: and does the "graceful" operation make it reload the log files? |
| 17:55.47 | drzed | bbrazil: does not help either |
| 17:55.53 | SerajewelKS | er, apache2ctl |
| 17:56.15 | drzed | i thougt it would be in the ldap-database ... wrong guess |
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| 17:56.41 | frealek | I'm looking for someone with a shuttle SS56L or similar, who could 'lspci' on it... thx in advance |
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| 17:56.59 | SerajewelKS | graceful Gracefully restarts the Apache daemon by sending it a SIGUSR1. If the daemon is not running, it is started. This differs from a normal restart in that currently open connections are not aborted. A side effect is that old log files will not be closed immediately. This means that if used in a log rotation script, a substantial delay may be necessary to ensure that the old log files are closed before processing the |
| 17:57.00 | SerajewelKS | m. |
| 17:57.03 | bbrazil | drzed: it is, but is overridden by the config file for bootstrap and fixing-problem purposes |
| 17:57.12 | SerajewelKS | so no, it won't work |
| 17:57.15 | SerajewelKS | phooey |
| 17:57.28 | SerajewelKS | Bac9, does linesrv have an OS X client? |
| 17:57.33 | SerajewelKS | or not |
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| 17:58.49 | drzed | i don't get, so wehere/how do i change this password (without using dpkg-reconfigure)? |
| 17:59.29 | drzed | +it |
| 17:59.42 | bbrazil | drzed: its probably lying around /etc in a few other places, I remeber messin around with this a good while back |
| 17:59.57 | bbrazil | drzed: maybe try strings on slapd |
| 18:00.18 | SerajewelKS | well i feel better now that i know WHY apache is restarting |
| 18:00.43 | SerajewelKS | every time it would restart i would have a look in /var/log/messages to see if anyone got a root shell |
| 18:00.47 | drzed | my last guess is that it could be in some kind of sasl-db but i do not have enought knowlegete on sasl |
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| 18:01.37 | SerajewelKS | holy fuck |
| 18:01.52 | SerajewelKS | according to the linesrv package description, this is exactly what my PHP script does |
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| 18:02.01 | ericb_ | I am trying to use bbmail, and when I run it it says, "make sure the environment variable MAIL is set". How do I set the MAIL envir variable? |
| 18:02.03 | SerajewelKS | dpkg, Bac3++ |
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| 18:02.32 | SerajewelKS | does dpkg do the karma thing? |
| 18:02.33 | joel_ | ericb_: it's probably already set, check with echo $MAIL |
| 18:02.57 | streuner | dpkg, karma Bac3 |
| 18:02.57 | dpkg | bac3 has karma of 1 |
| 18:03.00 | thaswiftness2 | can anyone help me get 3d support working for my ati radeon 9000 card? whatever i try, its still using mesa for opengl |
| 18:03.13 | SerajewelKS | dpkg, Bac3++ |
| 18:03.18 | SerajewelKS | dpkg, karma Bac3 |
| 18:03.19 | dpkg | bac3 has karma of 2 |
| 18:03.30 | SerajewelKS | okay so dpkg just doesn't let me know =) |
| 18:03.33 | SerajewelKS | dpkg, Bac3-- |
| 18:03.39 | ericb_ | joel_, no mail |
| 18:04.50 | ericb_ | joel_, no mail for ericb |
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| 18:05.12 | joel_ | ericb_: did you type 'echo $MAIL'? |
| 18:05.29 | ericb_ | joel_, sorry I typed it wrong |
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| 18:05.48 | ericb_ | joel_: There is no output |
| 18:06.04 | drzed | hmm i guess slapd is (beside sendmail) the most complicated server to configure ... |
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| 18:06.51 | joel_ | ericb_: export MAIL=/var/mail/ericb |
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| 18:07.54 | ericb_ | joel_: I did it but still there is no output to 'echo $mail" |
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| 18:08.30 | _joey | I am compiling custom kernel patches with debianlogo and get this error: ake[4]: *** No rule to make target `drivers/video/logo/logo_linux_debian.o', needed by `drivers/video/logo/built-in.o'. Stop |
| 18:08.56 | ericb_ | joel_: but bbmail is trying to run now, new error "could not open mail spool file /var/mail/ericb" |
| 18:09.37 | TwistedEmotions | How can I test to see if my printer is connected/working? |
| 18:09.43 | ericb_ | joel_: bbmail is just a notifier isn't it, I can't actually browse my mail with it can I? |
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| 18:10.01 | joel_ | ericb_: I have no idea, never used it |
| 18:10.23 | mwilson | ericb_: Why are you trying to use it, if you don't know what it is? |
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| 18:10.45 | ana150 | hi |
| 18:10.45 | MonkeyINAbaG | hello anal so |
| 18:10.46 | ana150 | :D |
| 18:10.48 | ericb_ | mwilson, I thought I knew it was a mail client that I could use with gmail |
| 18:10.58 | GsUu | hi |
| 18:11.18 | ana150 | how can i mount usb dvd-rom during the debian 3.0 installation? |
| 18:11.23 | mwilson | ericb_: bbmail isn't any sort of mail client, as its documentation would immediately tell you. It's a biff, nothing more. |
| 18:11.35 | drac | ana150: afaik, no dice. |
| 18:11.39 | drac | !d-i ana150 |
| 18:11.40 | dpkg | ana150, you want to go to http://www.debian.org/devel/debian-installer/ - for your own good, and everyone else's. |
| 18:11.49 | ericb_ | mwilson, Yeah, but I didn't have its man page until after I installed it |
| 18:11.49 | ana150 | okay |
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| 18:12.07 | ericb_ | mwilson: do you know of a mail client to suggest? |
| 18:12.13 | mwilson | Not that you actually read it after installing it, or anything. |
| 18:12.26 | drzed | ok, another quesion on salpd: I'd like to use it for user-auth on linux system, is it a good choice to save the passwords as 'SSHA' |
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| 18:12.45 | mwilson | ericb_: No, I have no use for gmail. |
| 18:13.08 | ericb_ | mwilson, we can't all afford the luxiouries of this world |
| 18:13.21 | ericb_ | some of us must make due with what we can |
| 18:13.28 | ericb_ | mwilson, your useless |
| 18:13.36 | mwilson | ericb_: Unless you're stealing your internet connection, most ISP's provide e-mail service. |
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| 18:14.23 | ericb_ | mwilson, what about when I am not at home using internet, or if I change my ISP, then I lose my email, gmail will last a lot longer than any ISP |
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| 18:14.44 | scarynetworkguy | ericb_: IMAP and bullshit. |
| 18:14.56 | scarynetworkguy | ericb_: But you might find this useful. http://rootprompt.org/article.php3?article=8620 |
| 18:15.21 | Xenguy | ericb_: doesn't ssh and/or imap solve that problem without relying on a third-party? ;-) |
| 18:15.39 | mwilson | Gmail isn't nearly worth the pain their user interface puts you through. |
| 18:15.49 | ericb_ | dunno what you guys are talkin about, I am just looking for a pop3 X client |
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| 18:16.14 | scarynetworkguy | ericb_: Of course you don't Go read that link I pointed you at. |
| 18:16.18 | jazzmans | I prefer Gmail to any other mail, including mailservers on my own machine. (well untill the 1 hour I couldn't access it yesterday anyway) |
| 18:16.34 | scarynetworkguy | ericb_: That *is* your answer. |
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| 18:16.46 | scarynetworkguy | jazzmans: You like google being able to read your mail at will? |
| 18:16.48 | Xenguy | ericb_: thunderbird; sylpheed; evolution <-- some options |
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| 18:16.56 | mwilson | If you're just going to POP the mail out anyway, whyinhell would anyone bother with gmail? |
| 18:17.08 | nhoj | anybody knows a Portuguese list |
| 18:17.11 | ericb_ | thx xenguy |
| 18:17.17 | nhoj | My english is so poor! |
| 18:17.19 | nhoj | ?D |
| 18:17.22 | Xenguy | ericb_: yw |
| 18:17.23 | yonkel-lappy | jazzmans: the no-gmail bit was cause of a dns error |
| 18:17.24 | mwilson | And unless they're suddenly providing SMTP, you have to use that disaster of a web interface to send anything. |
| 18:17.26 | shingouz | !br |
| 18:17.26 | dpkg | Por favor use #debian-br (/j #debian-br) para ajuda em portugues. |
| 18:17.39 | nhoj | ok thanks |
| 18:17.40 | jazzmans | doesn't bother me at all. If all they do is give me simple ads, yes. I do. I like being able to access my mail anywhere, I"ve turned my gmail accounts into data storage for myself to access photos/documents. etc. At this point, I still trust google to do right. |
| 18:17.41 | _joey | For logo , do I need framebuffer module compiled in if initrd is not used ? |
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| 18:17.46 | shingouz | nhoj: Maybe they know a bit better |
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| 18:17.52 | nhoj | #debian-br |
| 18:17.56 | n0dez | ol? nhoj |
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| 18:18.06 | n0dez | bye then |
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| 18:18.44 | Xenguy | jazzmans: I will always prefer a DIY approach instead of relying on 3rd-parties that come and go (or decide to start charging one day ;-) |
| 18:18.55 | jazzmans | mwilson, I really love the clean interface of gmail. It's one of the major reasons I use it. (different strokes eh?) ;) |
| 18:19.25 | mwilson | gmail clean? |
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| 18:20.05 | resiak | mwilson: They do provide SMTP, I think. |
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| 18:20.27 | resiak | mwilson: But yes, aren't pure JavaScript webmail clients lovely? |
| 18:20.41 | drzed | mutt rulez :) |
| 18:20.52 | jazzmans | mwilson, yep, I love it. YMMV, but that's cool. I'm a huge gmail fan. It's clean, simple, fast as hell, and I have sent 200 meg of photos in one email. |
| 18:20.58 | scarynetworkguy | resiak: No they provide POP3. |
| 18:21.10 | resiak | scarynetworkguy: Are you sure they don't provide SMTP? I'm pretty sure my dad uses it. |
| 18:21.13 | Xenguy | *cough* |
| 18:21.22 | ericb_ | scarynetworkguy: Thanks for the link my good man |
| 18:21.33 | mwilson | What idiot sends 200 mb of *anything* via e-mail? |
| 18:21.48 | scarynetworkguy | resiak: Not sure. And to tell the truth I haven't paid attention so they might have added it since the last time I looked. |
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| 18:21.56 | jazzmans | me. I use photos at multiple locations, and on a high speed connection, it's easy and always there. |
| 18:21.59 | resiak | scarynetworkguy: Outgoing mail server (SMTP): smtp.gmail.com |
| 18:22.06 | scarynetworkguy | jazzmans: I note that you are ignoring my question about the very real privacy concerns. |
| 18:22.14 | scarynetworkguy | resiak: I stand corrected. |
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| 18:22.57 | jazzmans | scarynetworkguy, I acknowledged your point originally, you missed it. my opinion at this time is I still trust google to do right, vs wrong with my data. any explanation I give is just rationalization, i know, but that's how i feel. |
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| 18:24.03 | mwilson | I've not logged into my gmail account in months... I did just now, and I have 50 invitations. Sheesh... haven't they figured out by now that anyone who wants one has one? |
| 18:24.04 | scarynetworkguy | Oh god Sturegon really was a optimist. |
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| 18:25.56 | mwilson | When I can gpg-sign mail through gmail, it might be worth bothering with. Not before. |
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| 18:26.32 | jazzmans | mwilson, I agree, gpg-sign would be nice. |
| 18:26.34 | shingouz | mwilson: Wouldn't that be possible through the SMTP/POP3 route? |
| 18:26.37 | mwilson | Hm, gmail is now 2 gb? |
| 18:26.54 | jazzmans | and growing every day, see the counter on the bottom of the page? marketing, but slick. |
| 18:27.07 | mwilson | shingouz: If I'm going to use SMTP, whyinhell would I waste my time using gmail when I can use my ISP's server? |
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| 18:27.48 | shingouz | mwilson: Because you may not be able to access the server from all locations. Of course I do not know how often you would have to do that |
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| 18:27.59 | tabris|away | mwilson: depends. my ISP's mail server _sucks_ |
| 18:28.08 | shingouz | tabris|away: So does mone... |
| 18:28.10 | tabris|away | mwilson: then again, i'm on SBC and I have to use Yahoo! |
| 18:28.12 | shingouz | mine that is |
| 18:28.14 | ericb_ | mwilson, you are right, but I just want something permanent |
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| 18:28.37 | mwilson | shingouz: I'm trying to imagine a scenario where I *would* be able to access gmail's SMTPd, but wouldn't be able to access Cox's. |
| 18:28.55 | brk3 | hi, not sure if theres much that can be done here, but i just spent ages downloadin a package and now dpkg -i is saying that its not a debian archive! It should be fully downloaded though.. I really dont want to have to download it again |
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| 18:29.13 | shingouz | mwilson: Cox filters out all connections to external SMTP then? Muy ISP likes to do that crap |
| 18:29.22 | jazzmans | the only use I can see for the smtp, would be to always have a hard copy of all your mail, in case gmail goes away suddenly I suppose. otherwise I think it's superfluous. |
| 18:30.04 | simonrvn | well this is why i use IMAP |
| 18:30.15 | mwilson | jazzmans: Then you don't know what SMTP actually is, do you? |
| 18:30.17 | simonrvn | i can access it from anywhere |
| 18:30.40 | _joey | 11: 2111114 XT-PIC acpi, VIA686A, eth0 , is it okay to have these 3 on the same address ? |
| 18:30.46 | _joey | from /proc/interrupts |
| 18:30.48 | jazzmans | Simple mail transfer protocol. |
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| 18:31.02 | furrywolf | joey: yep. |
| 18:31.47 | mwilson | People make all kinds of arrangements to get their mail. But the idea that it's OK to fob off archival storage of it to someone ELSE... brrr. |
| 18:32.21 | SerajewelKS | hmm... can i create linesrv accounts without creating a linux user for them? |
| 18:32.27 | mwilson | Gee, I'm sorry that your internet connection is down today, guess you can't get at any of your saved mail. Oh, that new contract you were working on? Guess it won't get done today. |
| 18:32.43 | mwilson | Feh. Mail is HERE. Not off somewhere I don't control. |
| 18:32.56 | jazzmans | caveat already noted earlier mwilson. (points up) |
| 18:33.08 | shingouz | mwilson: I hear you. |
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| 18:33.17 | ericb_ | what is the apt command to check if a file is installed on my system? |
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| 18:33.33 | Martin_Olesen | wich mouse should I buy to make sure it will work i X |
| 18:33.34 | simonrvn | dpkg -l <package name> |
| 18:33.34 | dpkg | No packages found matching <package name> |
| 18:33.39 | pureone | dpkg -l | grep packagename |
| 18:33.40 | dpkg | ii |
| 18:33.50 | simonrvn | dpkg: shut up |
| 18:33.50 | dpkg | No, I won't, and you can't make me. :P |
| 18:33.55 | shingouz | heh |
| 18:33.56 | pureone | lol |
| 18:33.59 | simonrvn | hehe |
| 18:33.59 | furrywolf | lol |
| 18:34.06 | Gathond | ericb_ dpkg -S filename |
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| 18:34.12 | ericb_ | thx |
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| 18:35.56 | RaFFi10 | will linux run on a Power Mac 6100/66av? |
| 18:36.06 | Twisted_Emotions | Is linspire release under the GNu license? |
| 18:36.32 | simonrvn | RaFFi10: not easily |
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| 18:36.46 | simonrvn | RaFFi10: nubus-pmac.sf.net |
| 18:36.48 | fatalblu | will abe vigoda ever die?!?! |
| 18:36.49 | shingouz | RaFFi10: I think it will but you will have a headache with it |
| 18:36.57 | Twisted_Emotions | I want to setup my sister/dad's computer with a EASY OS.. Any ideas? |
| 18:37.10 | shingouz | Twisted_Emotions: Debian |
| 18:37.33 | Twisted_Emotions | Errrr... |
| 18:37.34 | simonrvn | fatalblu: not on your life |
| 18:37.46 | shingouz | Twisted_Emotions: Just do not give them root on the computer |
| 18:37.52 | Boohbah | Twisted_Emotions: there is no easy OS |
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| 18:38.04 | Twisted_Emotions | shingouz: Debian isnt eays to work with.. |
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| 18:38.15 | mwilson | Twisted_Emotions: How do you figure? |
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| 18:38.21 | Twisted_Emotions | Boohbah: Windows is easy ;( |
| 18:38.34 | jazzmans | Twisted_Emotions, http://www.lowendmac.com/ppc/6100.shtml this? man, that's a old machine. 60 or 66 mhz. |
| 18:38.49 | Boohbah | Twisted_Emotions: windows is more difficult for me than GNU |
| 18:38.57 | shingouz | Twisted_Emotions: There is no easy O/S anywhere in the world. An Windows with all the bugs and virii and trojans... I do not think that is easy by any means |
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| 18:39.19 | SerajewelKS | dammit.. linesrv has no documentation whatsoever on user authentication |
| 18:39.26 | PerfDave | Debian's perfectly easy to work with. I have non-geek people using my desktop all the time :) |
| 18:39.49 | Twisted_Emotions | What GUI you use? |
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| 18:40.05 | jazzmans | xfce4, is my gui of choice Twisted_Emotions. |
| 18:40.06 | priest | has anyone used the webstore "pixmania"? |
| 18:40.10 | PerfDave | Twisted_Emotions: I use KDE, nice and simple and intuitive for everyone. |
| 18:40.12 | PerfDave | priest: I have |
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| 18:40.19 | priest | PerfDave: is it good? |
| 18:40.24 | Twisted_Emotions | jazzmans: I use xfc4 too.. |
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| 18:40.32 | mwilson | KDE is "nice and simple"? In what alternate universe? |
| 18:40.33 | drac | RaFFi10: I have one Debian on, Power Macintosh 7300 MacRISC 120MHz. |
| 18:40.40 | PerfDave | priest: They're not bad service-wise, they will spam you to death and it's not terribly easy to figure out how to get off their list. |
| 18:40.40 | Twisted_Emotions | LoL.. |
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| 18:41.33 | priest | PerfDave: hmm..ok, they seem to have good prices anyway |
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| 18:41.53 | RaFFi10 | yeah this mac is very old, i don't know if i'll be able to run it |
| 18:41.53 | jazzmans | drac, what wm are you using on the mac? |
| 18:41.57 | SerajewelKS | PerfDave, that's what spamgourmet is for |
| 18:42.07 | mwilson | Why wouldn't you just run OS 9 on the Mac? |
| 18:42.42 | Twisted_Emotions | mwilson: Debian is better? |
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| 18:43.05 | simonrvn | RaFFi10: yes, with some work. see the site i pointed you at |
| 18:43.11 | Twisted_Emotions | Deadcat: U there? |
| 18:43.14 | mwilson | Twisted_Emotions: Better for what? The idea is to get work done, not sit there and admire the computer. |
| 18:43.54 | Twisted_Emotions | mwilson: Free Software, Faster, More Secure, more options? |
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| 18:44.09 | RaFFi10 | could i just install Apache and PHP on Mac OS 8? |
| 18:44.21 | RaFFi10 | it IS based on UNIX isn't it? |
| 18:44.27 | phunk | hey folks...I forgot my root password, so I rebooted with a boot disk and remounted the fs for rw, and took out the encrypted passwd from the /etc/shadow file...but now it says that the uid for root does not exist...is there a step I skipped in this process or is there an easier way to reset this root account? |
| 18:44.29 | suifur | RaFFi10: not OS8 |
| 18:44.31 | jazzmans | os8? no. |
| 18:44.34 | simonrvn | RaFFi10: no, no |
| 18:44.36 | SerajewelKS | god i hate linux programs that have no documentation at all |
| 18:44.37 | RaFFi10 | haha |
| 18:44.44 | Twisted_Emotions | no. Like OS 10+ Or something... |
| 18:44.45 | suifur | RaFFi10: the only version of Mac OS thats based on unix is OSX |
| 18:44.46 | jazzmans | OS X is bsd-based, with Gnu software. |
| 18:45.02 | Twisted_Emotions | Orr yeah what they said |
| 18:45.04 | Jamin | anyone know of problems upgrading from Mysql 3.23.49 to 4.0.24? |
| 18:45.05 | tarzeau | and it's got alot of OPENSTEP in iit |
| 18:45.10 | Eclipser | hmm |
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| 18:45.14 | Jamin | I just did it and it seems I've lost all my DBs |
| 18:45.17 | simonrvn | RaFFi10: that thing i doubt could even run os x + xpostfacto |
| 18:45.24 | RaFFi10 | What are the main holdbacks on trying to install Linux on PowerMac 6100/66av? |
| 18:45.34 | tarzeau | RaFFi10: check if it's supported |
| 18:45.49 | RaFFi10 | probably not sirmonrvn, it's pretty much junk, i just wanted to try to use it for something before i throw it out |
| 18:46.04 | Eclipser | I compiled and make install'd xmms-musepack and the plugin did go to the right place (afaik... /usr/lib/xmms/Input) but xmms doesn't load the plugin for some reason :< |
| 18:46.05 | simonrvn | yes, it can. go see that site.... |
| 18:46.14 | simonrvn | *sigh* |
| 18:46.15 | Eclipser | a ha! |
| 18:46.20 | coll__ | i've just installed woody, which ftp daemon should i be using? till now i've used proftpd with mdk before |
| 18:46.30 | tarzeau | coll__: use it again |
| 18:46.37 | tarzeau | simonrvn: let's play #bub-n-bros ? |
| 18:46.39 | Phated | simonrvn: Everlasting optimism. |
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| 18:46.46 | coll__ | tarzeau: ok |
| 18:46.50 | simonrvn | Phated: must be... |
| 18:46.54 | Twisted_Emotions | coll__: proftp is my fav.. |
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| 18:46.57 | simonrvn | tarzeau: nah, thanks. i'm tired |
| 18:47.12 | coll__ | great, i was wondering cause im obviousely aiming at security |
| 18:47.13 | Twisted_Emotions | deadcat: U there? |
| 18:47.27 | coll__ | oh apt-get cant find the package proftpd or proftp |
| 18:47.34 | Twisted_Emotions | deadcat_: U there? |
| 18:47.38 | mwilson | !u |
| 18:47.39 | dpkg | Damnit Jim! It's YOU. Y-O-U. Not *U*. U is a letter. YOU is a word. See ne1, or wud. Dutch for 'you' (formal singular). See http://ars.userfriendly.org/cartoons/?id=20041201 |
| 18:47.42 | valdyn | coll__: apt-cache search proftp |
| 18:47.53 | coll__ | just did that valdyn |
| 18:47.56 | coll__ | it has some results |
| 18:48.24 | RaFFi10 | i'ven ever used Linux before but i'm very egar to learn how to, i don't fully understand the installation process for my old computer... do I have to install a boot loader first? |
| 18:48.24 | valdyn | !info proftpd woody |
| 18:48.26 | dpkg | proftpd: (Versatile, virtual-hosting FTP daemon), section non-US, is extra. Version: 1.2.4+1.2.5rc1-5 (woody), Packaged size: 156 kB, Installed size: 388 kB |
| 18:48.29 | coll__ | my bad |
| 18:48.36 | coll__ | i was typing protftpd without noticing |
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| 18:48.46 | mwilson | RaFFi10: Amazingly enough, you need to read the instructions first. You think you can handle that? |
| 18:48.52 | coll__ | heh, it laoded up the proftpd configuration right away |
| 18:49.00 | coll__ | debian is indeed cool :p |
| 18:49.07 | Twisted_Emotions | mwilson: I didnt WANT to say YOU... He askes me where the letter U was so I replied... U THERE Therefore showing the location of U.. see ;) |
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| 18:49.58 | RaFFi10 | probably |
| 18:50.01 | phunk | I forgot my root password, so I blanked the encrypted junk in the shadow file...anyone know what to do now? I read a faq file that said i should be able to login using a blank pwd, but to no avail |
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| 18:50.16 | jazzmans | phunk, you need to boot to single user mode. |
| 18:50.18 | mwilson | phunk: Ask the actual owner of the box. |
| 18:50.25 | phunk | its mine |
| 18:50.28 | mwilson | Sure it is. |
| 18:50.35 | phunk | hah |
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| 18:50.47 | phunk | well, its hot anyways |
| 18:50.48 | coll__ | oh i thought its a front-end config tool but its not... |
| 18:50.51 | jazzmans | phunk, then you can type passwd and create a new root password. |
| 18:50.51 | illuminati | hello to all |
| 18:50.59 | illuminati | need help here |
| 18:51.01 | Twisted_Emotions | plunk: Use a CPU cooler. |
| 18:51.06 | illuminati | i have a new video card |
| 18:51.11 | mwilson | Twisted_Emotions: No, he means it's stolen. |
| 18:51.13 | illuminati | nvidia 5200 |
| 18:51.17 | phunk | hahah |
| 18:51.20 | Twisted_Emotions | mwilson: I know ;) |
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| 18:51.30 | illuminati | and i cant put the resolution a what |
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| 18:51.32 | phunk | dont tell me what i mean |
| 18:51.35 | illuminati | :( |
| 18:51.36 | phunk | :P |
| 18:51.39 | jazzmans | mwilson, funny you say that, but I forgot my password on a windows box, since I hadn't booted it in 2 months, so it does happen. |
| 18:51.49 | illuminati | the max resolution that i can is 1024x748 |
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| 18:51.56 | phunk | thanks jazzmans |
| 18:52.08 | SerajewelKS | illuminati, 1024x768 i think you'll find |
| 18:52.10 | illuminati | and i what the max resolution of my monitor |
| 18:52.11 | jazzmans | np phunk. been there, done that. |
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| 18:52.18 | phunk | hehe, appreciated! |
| 18:52.30 | phunk | im out to try this |
| 18:52.31 | illuminati | 1240x1024 is the one i need |
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| 18:52.48 | illuminati | and the dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xfree86 |
| 18:52.53 | illuminati | dont what to work |
| 18:53.02 | illuminati | i activate the resolution and dont work |
| 18:53.04 | DaHooD | Hi, when i try to start apache2 i get the following errormessage: "[Sun May 08 20:30:10 2005] [emerg] (28)No space left on device: Couldn't create accept lock". What could this be? I have 9 GB free diskspace... |
| 18:53.10 | PerfDave | illuminati: /msg dpkg x md5sum |
| 18:53.21 | Twisted_Emotions | Funny he said that... I left like 7 laptops at bestbuy that were mine... and someone put them behind glass display... wonder how to get them back. |
| 18:53.45 | illuminati | ok let me try PrefDave |
| 18:53.47 | illuminati | ;) |
| 18:54.30 | esben | Illuminati: Probably wrong readings of EDID from monitor, add your settings manually to /etc/X11/XF86Config-4, Hsync, Vrefresh and Option "ignoreEDID" "on" |
| 18:55.03 | illuminati | hmmmm |
| 18:55.09 | illuminati | ok |
| 18:55.49 | SerajewelKS | why the fuck can i not log into linesrv |
| 18:56.09 | SerajewelKS | i put my username in /etc/linesrv/linesrv.users, restart linesrv, and i'm still "unauthorized" |
| 18:56.36 | Twisted_Emotions | SerajewelKS: apt-get install crowbar |
| 18:56.39 | suifur | SerajewelKS: you didn't fuck it properly |
| 18:56.50 | illuminati | hmmm |
| 18:56.51 | suifur | !fuck linesrv |
| 18:56.53 | illuminati | EDID |
| 18:56.55 | illuminati | ? |
| 18:57.00 | fatalblu | SerajewelKS: bean dip is an important staple to a healthy diet |
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| 18:57.02 | suifur | SerajewelKS: see, just like dpkg does |
| 18:57.04 | illuminati | do i need that |
| 18:57.10 | illuminati | my monitor is LCD |
| 18:57.11 | illuminati | ? |
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| 18:58.09 | illuminati | this is what i have is my monitor options |
| 18:58.11 | illuminati | Option"DPMS" |
| 18:58.22 | illuminati | do i have to change that |
| 18:58.26 | SerajewelKS | i'm starting to think that taking apache2's logrotate entry out is really the most painless solution |
| 18:58.54 | esben | illuminati: is it a laptop? DPMS is for powersavings |
| 18:59.03 | ali4728 | Help Needed! What is the correct command to install php (the version which works well with mysql) I get the following Error when I try!!! # apt-get install php4 / message: E: Couldn't find package |
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| 18:59.15 | fatalblu | apt-cache search php4 |
| 18:59.21 | fatalblu | it's probably named something else |
| 18:59.31 | SerajewelKS | it's named php4 |
| 18:59.32 | illuminati | no is not a laptop |
| 18:59.35 | jazzmans | apt-cache search php |
| 18:59.35 | illuminati | is a desktop |
| 18:59.40 | SerajewelKS | ali4728, are you on woody or sarge? |
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| 19:00.28 | ali4728 | <SerajewelKS> Ubuntu |
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| 19:00.30 | esben | illumintati: whats in your /var/log/XFree.0.log? something related to the res. your want? |
| 19:00.43 | Super_Cat_Frog | hi - does debian's hotplug initscript also do coldplugging? |
| 19:00.51 | SerajewelKS | ali4728, how long has it been since you did apt-get update? |
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| 19:01.12 | illuminati | ok resolution is in xfree86 |
| 19:01.15 | ali4728 | <SerajewelKS> I just installed Ubuntu this morning |
| 19:01.28 | SerajewelKS | ali4728, netinstall? |
| 19:01.37 | illuminati | but when i what to activate in kde or gnome its not in the options |
| 19:01.38 | esben | illuminati: do you use nv or prop. nvidia? |
| 19:01.47 | illuminati | nv |
| 19:01.48 | Twisted_Emotions | ali4728: apt-get update then apt-get upgrade |
| 19:01.54 | ali4728 | <SerajewelKS cd |
| 19:02.02 | Twisted_Emotions | and change your source files all to testing |
| 19:02.10 | SerajewelKS | ali4728, then you need to do apt-get update |
| 19:02.10 | Twisted_Emotions | unless your running a server |
| 19:02.18 | SerajewelKS | ali4728, then try installing php4 |
| 19:02.38 | coll__ | im getting an error when trying to exec proftpd: "- No certificate files found!" |
| 19:02.39 | mono_ | hi, when i try to regenerate a passwd for my user is get the following error - passwd: Authentication service cannot retrieve authentication info. |
| 19:02.47 | ali4728 | <Twisted_Emotions> <SerajewelKS> let me try thnx guys |
| 19:02.54 | mono_ | any ideas how to regenerate the passwd for my user? |
| 19:03.05 | illuminati | ido i have to update the driver |
| 19:03.06 | illuminati | ? |
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| 19:04.17 | esben | illuminanti: is it listed in the screen section of /etc/X11/XF86Config-4? nvidia is better for openGL. |
| 19:04.23 | dabreegster | Anybody know if the Rage 128 video card can capture TV input from an antenna? I plugged my antenna into a port on the back and it fits. There are lots of things I need to try, but does anybody have any previous experience with it? |
| 19:05.04 | fatalblu | ... |
| 19:05.14 | Twisted_Emotions | dabreegster: Is it All in Wonder Rage 128? |
| 19:05.15 | ali4728 | <Twisted_Emotions> I need PHP which wprks with MSQL is the shell command different then # apt-get install php4 |
| 19:05.30 | illuminati | well now im using nv driver. but the resolution that im looking is in /etc/X11/XF86Config-4 |
| 19:05.43 | Twisted_Emotions | ali4728: errr... try apt-cache search php4 |
| 19:06.05 | Twisted_Emotions | ali4728: Will give you the right package... then apt-get install <package> |
| 19:06.13 | dabreegster | Twisted_Emotions: ATI Technologies Inc Rage 128 RE/SG |
| 19:06.20 | dabreegster | Twisted_Emotions: I don't think so. |
| 19:06.40 | Servo888 | Is there an application available for changing the contrast in X in the debian package feeds? |
| 19:06.44 | dabreegster | Maybe it can only do TV out.. |
| 19:07.43 | Twisted_Emotions | http://www.ati.com/products/faqs/rage128faq.html#1 |
| 19:07.44 | ali4728 | <Twisted_Emotions> Thank you I ll try that it is updating /ipgrading now |
| 19:08.06 | Twisted_Emotions | dabreegster: Check out that link.. it doesnt have TV Tuner... Sorry |
| 19:08.16 | dabreegster | Twisted_Emotions: Thanks though |
| 19:08.26 | SerajewelKS | ali4728, you'll also need to install php4-mysql to get the MySQL PHP module |
| 19:08.30 | dabreegster | I wondor why the antenna fits in that port though. it's labelled CATV |
| 19:08.41 | dabreegster | brb |
| 19:08.43 | SerajewelKS | ali4728, then you'll need to edit your php4.ini to enable the module |
| 19:09.13 | esben | well, then I dont know whats might be wrong... |
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| 19:10.07 | ali4728 | <SerajewelKS> Shall I try # apt-get php4-mysql now? |
| 19:10.09 | krystalino | wich mp3/ogg player would you recommend except xmms and amarok ? |
| 19:10.34 | Twisted_Emotions | dabreegster: All the models on the ATI site say that there is no TV Tuner... but I could be wrong... http://www.softwareandstuff.com/CRD10186.html $17.99 for a TV Tuner Card... not bad.. |
| 19:10.38 | SerajewelKS | ali4728, do them both at the same time: apt-get install php4 php4-mysql |
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| 19:10.57 | SerajewelKS | ali4728, if you're still updating you won't be able to though |
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| 19:11.19 | dabreegster | Back. Anyway, is there anything cool I can do with an ATI Rage 128? I think it supports TV out. I don't think I have the correct cables for that though. |
| 19:11.37 | ali4728 | <SerajewelKS> update finished |
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| 19:12.01 | Twisted_Emotions | dabreegster: Get cables and you can watch what you do on your computer on a TV..? |
| 19:12.18 | saloxin | krystalino: rhythmbox :) |
| 19:12.20 | Boohbah | dabreegster: you can throw it off a tall building |
| 19:12.34 | Twisted_Emotions | If you got a flat screen worth a try.. otherwise TV's are shittyer quality then monitors so no use |
| 19:12.39 | Super_Cat_Frog | hi - does debian's hotplug initscript also do coldplugging? |
| 19:12.51 | dabreegster | Boohbah: Nah, it's a nice card |
| 19:12.52 | dabreegster | Twisted_Emotions: Hmm, neat. |
| 19:12.55 | Twisted_Emotions | dabreegster: I gave you a link if you want to buy a tuner card.. |
| 19:13.07 | dabreegster | Twisted_Emotions: That's OK, I was just curious |
| 19:13.17 | Twisted_Emotions | dabreegster: You can use it to run games? |
| 19:13.24 | shingouz | Super_Cat_Frog: Huh? You mean like having the computer totally cold, plug in a card/usb/other and reboot? |
| 19:13.26 | Twisted_Emotions | dabreegster: :) |
| 19:13.35 | dabreegster | Twisted_Emotions: there's a roundish plug for AV In, another roundish plug (cant read it), and CATV (antenna plugs in there) |
| 19:13.43 | dabreegster | Twisted_Emotions: I already do. runsabre, quake, doom, the works. |
| 19:13.46 | shingouz | s/reboot/boot |
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| 19:14.22 | SerajewelKS | ali4728, FYI PHP3 has a MySQL module too |
| 19:15.08 | Twisted_Emotions | dabreegster: Sounds like its a TV In... but I dont see it on ATI.com... install a TV Tuner program and see if it works... |
| 19:15.24 | ali4728 | <SerajewelKS> Non of these suggest mysql module |
| 19:15.24 | ali4728 | # apt-cache search php4 |
| 19:15.24 | ali4728 | apache2-prefork-dev - Development headers for apache2 |
| 19:15.24 | ali4728 | libapache2-mod-php4 - A server-side, HTML-embedded scripting language |
| 19:15.24 | ali4728 | php4-cgi - A server-side, HTML-embedded scripting language |
| 19:15.25 | ali4728 | php4-dev - Files for PHP4 module development |
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| 19:15.37 | gothtec | Any easy to use program that can play the .umx files from Unread Tournament? |
| 19:15.38 | Super_Cat_Frog | shingouz - in gentoo hotplug is for hotplugging, coldplug is for detecting hardware that was plugged in when you press the power button (pci cards, etc) |
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| 19:15.55 | Twisted_Emotions | ali4728: Next time paste in #flood not here... ;) You wont get kicked.. |
| 19:15.58 | Twisted_Emotions | lol |
| 19:16.07 | ali4728 | OK |
| 19:16.09 | dabreegster | Twisted_Emotions: I tried wmtv, just errors. I had already loaded the bttv module |
| 19:16.27 | shingouz | Super_Cat_Frog: That is Gentoos problem then. I have never had any problems using an USB device from bootup at least. The same goes for pcmcia for that matter |
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| 19:16.46 | Twisted_Emotions | ali4728: Maybe your packages suck... let me check... brb |
| 19:17.02 | Super_Cat_Frog | shingouz - my problem isn't with usb, firewire etc, its with my dvb card |
| 19:17.05 | shingouz | Super_Cat_Frog: You may be referring to Discover then, I am not sure |
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| 19:18.13 | SerajewelKS | ali4728, apt-cache search php mysql |
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| 19:18.21 | Twisted_Emotions | ali4728: You need to change your package sources... |
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| 19:18.36 | SerajewelKS | ali4728, i'm not sure about ubuntu, but sarge has a php4-mysql package |
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| 19:18.48 | forsaker8k6 | hi people.. can i would like to know... if and when there will be an amd64 prot of debian.. :D |
| 19:18.51 | streuner | !based on debian |
| 19:18.52 | dpkg | Knoppix, Libranet, Corel/Xandros, Stormix, Progeny, Lindows, DamnSmallLinux, Ubuntu, Kurumin, Agnula, Xebian, and so on are *not* Debian. Just because something's "based on" Debian doesn't mean we can support it. You'll get a Debian answer, and if it doesn't work, you're out of luck. Your best option is to join the channel for your distro. |
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| 19:19.01 | zirikili | hi all |
| 19:19.09 | iLLf8d | anyone know why the php4 package was compiled w/out mysql support? |
| 19:19.17 | streuner | forsaker8k6: /msg dpkg amd64 |
| 19:19.18 | Twisted_Emotions | Anyone know that !command in IRC that shows him how to change apt sources file to testing or sarge its like Woody -->Sarge? |
| 19:19.25 | zirikili | my psmouse module is not loading automaticaly. where do I fix it? |
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| 19:19.27 | forsaker8k6 | tnx streuner |
| 19:19.40 | streuner | Twisted_Emotions: woody->sarge |
| 19:19.53 | drac | zirikili: Add psmouse to /etc/modules. |
| 19:19.56 | dabreegster | iLLf8d: because php4-mysql contains it? |
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| 19:20.05 | Twisted_Emotions | !ali4728 woody->sarge |
| 19:20.07 | Twisted_Emotions | ? |
| 19:20.10 | Twisted_Emotions | LoL... |
| 19:20.10 | mtnman | zirikili: what drac said, or run modconf. |
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| 19:20.13 | Twisted_Emotions | I suck at this |
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| 19:20.25 | SerajewelKS | !tell ali4728 about woody->sarge |
| 19:20.26 | iLLf8d | dabreegster: can they coexist in an install? |
| 19:20.32 | streuner | Twisted_Emotions: !tell <nick> about woody->sarge |
| 19:20.33 | zirikili | drac, thanks |
| 19:20.35 | shingouz | Twisted_Emotions: !tell ali about woody->sarge |
| 19:20.39 | zirikili | mtnman, thanks |
| 19:20.41 | mikeKJL | How do you enable ssl? fetchmail:/home/ericb/.fetchmailrc:13: SSL is not enabled at ssl |
| 19:20.49 | mtnman | zirikili: you're welcome |
| 19:20.52 | Twisted_Emotions | There we go ;) Thanks guys |
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| 19:21.05 | Twisted_Emotions | ali4728: Your running ubuntu or debian? |
| 19:21.12 | shingouz | Speaking of which, why didn't it work for Twisted_Emotions in the first place? I have the same problem fwiw |
| 19:21.12 | zirikili | let me try |
| 19:21.32 | dabreegster | iLLf8d: I'm sure. Check the dependencies |
| 19:21.40 | iLLf8d | hrm |
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| 19:22.02 | dabreegster | Maybe I *do* have an ATI Rage All in Wondor. I do have a CATV jack that fits my antenna |
| 19:22.04 | streuner | mikeKJL: edit fetchmailrc with 'ssl' or run fetchmalconf |
| 19:22.05 | ali4728 | <Twisted_Emotions> Ubuntu |
| 19:22.16 | streuner | s/fetchmalconf/fetchmailconf |
| 19:22.19 | Twisted_Emotions | ali4728: Either way change your source files instead of to "sarge" to "testing" then... run apt-get update then apt-get upgrade then apt-cache search php4 and it should show you hella more packages. |
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| 19:22.22 | streuner | !info fetchmailconf |
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| 19:22.26 | dpkg | fetchmailconf: (fetchmail configurator), section mail, is optional. Version: 6.2.5-12 (sid), Packaged size: 98 kB, Installed size: 224 kB |
| 19:22.35 | shingouz | ali4728: /join #ubuntu in that case |
| 19:22.40 | mikeKJL | streuner: thx |
| 19:22.42 | Twisted_Emotions | ali4728: I mean instead to stable to testing... |
| 19:22.44 | iLLf8d | dabreegster: ok different question then got any idea where in my setups i'd specify which to run (my apache2 setup, or a php config or a debian symlink of some kind)? |
| 19:23.07 | iLLf8d | just unsure where to start looking |
| 19:23.25 | Twisted_Emotions | ali4728: Yeah... Im guessing here... join #ubuntu instead... theyll know more about all their packages and all that. |
| 19:23.28 | shingouz | Twisted_Emotions: He runs Ubuntu... |
| 19:23.28 | dabreegster | iLLf8d: what do you mean? I think php4-mysql adds mysql support. Are you talking about running an apache server with php support? |
| 19:23.36 | Super_Cat_Frog | argh! im getting this: bob@monkey:~$ /etc/init.d/discover start |
| 19:23.38 | Super_Cat_Frog | /etc/init.d/discover: line 9: discover-modprobe: command not found |
| 19:23.41 | ali4728 | <Twisted_Emotions> OK let me do that |
| 19:23.49 | Super_Cat_Frog | any idea's? |
| 19:23.54 | streuner | !find discover-modprobe |
| 19:23.54 | Twisted_Emotions | shingouz: So he cant change sources file to testing? |
| 19:23.56 | dabreegster | Super_Cat_Frog: don't.... flood! |
| 19:24.00 | dpkg | Debian Search of 'discover-modprobe' (1): (/sbin/discover-modprobe, /etc/discover-modprobe.conf) in admin/discover. |
| 19:24.06 | dabreegster | Super_Cat_Frog: I saw a kick coming. |
| 19:24.21 | Super_Cat_Frog | dabreegster - sorry, i didn't think 3 lines would matter |
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| 19:24.33 | shingouz | Twisted_Emotions: I have no clue. He runs Ubuntu and even if he *did* go from the Ubuntu repositores to Debian repositories it would still not be Debian |
| 19:24.37 | iLLf8d | dabreegster: I've got php4, phpmyadmin, php4-mysql, apache2 and a web portal engine installed. The phpinfo is reporting no mysql compiled in so it must be running the wrong php4 and I'm not sure how to specify the correct one |
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| 19:24.50 | streuner | Super_Cat_Frog: what does 'dpkg -l discover | tail -1' say? |
| 19:25.06 | Super_Cat_Frog | streuner - ii discover 2.0.7-2.1 hardware identification system |
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| 19:25.12 | iLLf8d | phpmyadmin can connect to the dbase w/out issue tho |
| 19:25.13 | dabreegster | Super_Cat_Frog: 3 lines is OK, I just thought you were about to paste a lot. Most people paste a lot. |
| 19:25.14 | Twisted_Emotions | shingouz: No I didnt want him to change to debian repos... just to change his repos to testing packages... |
| 19:25.31 | dabreegster | iLLf8d: I have no clue. #apache or #php will know |
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| 19:25.44 | iLLf8d | thanks for the infos tho |
| 19:25.44 | Twisted_Emotions | shingouz: like to whatever the testing package is in ubuntu... |
| 19:25.49 | fatalblu | drupal? |
| 19:26.05 | Twisted_Emotions | shingouz: Oh well.. he left to #ubu.. so all good ;) |
| 19:26.09 | shingouz | Twisted_Emotions: He runs Ubuntu and that makes the whole thing something I personally know nothing about. I do know that Ubuntu has some different scripts and all and that makes the proposition of using DEbian stuff on the system iffy at least |
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| 19:26.30 | fatalblu | What good is mining nose gold if I can't share it with the townspeople! |
| 19:26.36 | sparr_x3 | i need to take a word, submit it using a form, then click a series of links after the form results return. short of writing an application from scratch, is there anything that can automate this? |
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| 19:26.51 | Twisted_Emotions | shingouz: ;) Good deal... dont run it either so dont know... |
| 19:26.59 | streuner | Super_Cat_Frog: when did you get this error? |
| 19:27.08 | streuner | Super_Cat_Frog: in syslog or such? |
| 19:27.22 | Super_Cat_Frog | streuner - when i tried to run /etc/init.d/discover from the commandline as root |
| 19:27.25 | shingouz | Twisted_Emotions: That is why you should nto help people with Ubuntu, you run a very high risk of screwing up their systems |
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| 19:27.51 | priest | do i need smbfs in the kernel to use a printer on a windows box? |
| 19:27.53 | streuner | Super_Cat_Frog: why not just run 'discover'? |
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| 19:28.17 | Super_Cat_Frog | streuner - i didn't get the error when i did sudo bash then /etc/init.d/discover, so maybe discover-modprobe is in /sbin (not in my user's path, which sudo doesn't take into account) |
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| 19:28.21 | qpee | is there a way to encrypt mysql databases in the filesystem? |
| 19:28.43 | Super_Cat_Frog | qpee - store it in an encrypted loopback filesystem |
| 19:28.44 | streuner | Super_Cat_Frog: ah |
| 19:28.49 | Super_Cat_Frog | thanks |
| 19:28.51 | gothtec | I need a text-mode application that can play .mod files. Any suggestions? |
| 19:29.19 | Twisted_Emotions | shingouz: He already had apt-get so figured changing to testing packages wouldnt be any major change. |
| 19:29.35 | lindi- | gothtec: apt-cache search tracker finds 'mikmod' |
| 19:29.38 | mutante | installing a LAMP, got apache running and parsing php, and the mysqld is working as well, but only PHP still cant use mysql_connect "Call to undefined function: mysql_connect() " am i missing a certain package that contains a php module with mysql support or something? |
| 19:29.41 | Twisted_Emotions | shingouz: Plus I didnt know he wasnt running debian till hella later ;) |
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| 19:30.13 | mutante | phpinfo page even says it supports mysql but at the same time "call to undefined function mysql_connect" |
| 19:30.15 | shingouz | Twisted_Emotions: NOpe, not a big changet but the Ubuntu-specific scripts are still there making the system work in a non-Debian way |
| 19:30.18 | fatalblu | I know how to deal with children, unlike My. Gipetto |
| 19:30.32 | iLLf8d | hrm |
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| 19:31.18 | Super_Cat_Frog | does anybody in here use dvb? i have no /dev/dvb device even though i loaded all the modules |
| 19:31.22 | Super_Cat_Frog | im using testing |
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| 19:31.28 | fatalblu | udev? |
| 19:31.42 | Super_Cat_Frog | fatalblu - me? if your talking to me, yes |
| 19:31.43 | qpee | Super_Cat_Frog: where could i find information on that? |
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| 19:31.47 | mutante | ok,nevermind,got it |
| 19:32.07 | iLLf8d | dabreegster: I think the package has a huge bug =P I uninstalled all my other php4 stuff and just installed php4-mysql which installed php4-common and I've got libapache2-mod-php4 in. I restarted apache2 and php is still showing a --withough msql support line |
| 19:32.12 | qpee | Super_Cat_Frog: i really need to implement this, but i don't know where to begin. what do i need and how do i set it up. these are my questions |
| 19:32.13 | Super_Cat_Frog | qpee - http://www.tldp.org/HOWTO/Loopback-Encrypted-Filesystem-HOWTO.html |
| 19:32.23 | qpee | Super_Cat_Frog: thanks |
| 19:32.26 | Super_Cat_Frog | s'ok |
| 19:32.37 | iLLf8d | s/msql/mysql |
| 19:32.48 | MO79 | I'm still new to Linux should I install Gnome or Gnome2? |
| 19:32.48 | fatalblu | almost |
| 19:32.50 | fatalblu | almost |
| 19:32.54 | neoXite | when i use the -o option with ssh, do i have to type a "-o" for every option i want to set? or just a single one? |
| 19:32.54 | fatalblu | There we are! |
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| 19:33.15 | dabreegster | iLLf8d: you might have to enable it in config |
| 19:33.35 | fatalblu | If your teachers ask about your bruises what do you tell them? |
| 19:33.39 | fatalblu | I got hit by a baseball! |
| 19:33.40 | iLLf8d | hrm |
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| 19:35.04 | MO79 | Is there more work or less programs for Gnome2 than Gnome |
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| 19:35.29 | mikeKJL | How do I configure fetchmail so that ssl is enabled |
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| 19:35.50 | streuner | mikeKJL: use the 'ssl' in fetchmailrc? |
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| 19:36.39 | mikeKJL | streuner, no thanks |
| 19:36.47 | chops | MO79: In Debian, just installing the 'gnome' package should give you the correct version of Gnome (which will, hopefully, be 2). |
| 19:36.50 | streuner | mikeKJL: Are you a bot or such, because you asking the same questions over and over? |
| 19:37.11 | mikeKJL | streuner, please ignore me |
| 19:37.19 | tarzeau | chops: it's 2 since sarge/testing |
| 19:37.23 | streuner | mikeKJL: i don't use ignore |
| 19:37.35 | mikeKJL | streuner: your a jackass, go get a life |
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| 19:37.45 | streuner | haha |
| 19:37.55 | Twisted_Emotions | streuner: Use #slap. |
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| 19:38.05 | jupi | hi ! |
| 19:38.10 | Twisted_Emotions | hi 1 |
| 19:38.13 | Twisted_Emotions | Err |
| 19:38.13 | Twisted_Emotions | ! |
| 19:38.17 | jupi | :p |
| 19:38.17 | mikeKJL | #slap streuner |
| 19:38.22 | jupi | lol |
| 19:38.24 | Twisted_Emotions | lol |
| 19:38.27 | jupi | (sry) :p |
| 19:38.27 | MO79 | chops: I'm running Sarge so I guess it Gnome2.. Thanks.. |
| 19:38.28 | streuner | !fuck mikeKJL |
| 19:38.35 | suifur | !fuck streuner |
| 19:38.40 | chops | tarzeau: Quite right, yes. |
| 19:38.40 | suifur | woosah! |
| 19:38.41 | Twisted_Emotions | hahahahha @ #slap |
| 19:39.02 | Super_Cat_Frog | |fuck dpkg |
| 19:39.04 | Super_Cat_Frog | oops |
| 19:39.07 | mikeKJL | I did apt-get install fetchmail-ssl |
| 19:39.07 | Super_Cat_Frog | !fuck dpkg |
| 19:39.07 | Twisted_Emotions | mikeKJL: Did it work? |
| 19:39.12 | ignatz | !fuck himself |
| 19:39.14 | suifur | lmao |
| 19:39.18 | qpee | whats the package called where i can find the c-function man pages in. like those for select() and stuff |
| 19:39.18 | Super_Cat_Frog | lol |
| 19:39.19 | Twisted_Emotions | lol.. |
| 19:39.20 | streuner | mikeKJL: so what's you problem, does it work or not? |
| 19:39.21 | suifur | how do you fuck yourself doggy style...? |
| 19:39.22 | qpee | .win 2 |
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| 19:39.36 | bbrazil | qpee: manpages-dev |
| 19:39.43 | mikeKJL | streuner, you are no help, no thanks for your responses |
| 19:39.47 | dabreegster | suifur: Do you REALLY want to know? |
| 19:39.49 | Twisted_Emotions | suifur: Creativity? |
| 19:39.49 | qpee | bbrazil: thc |
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| 19:40.00 | suifur | dabreegster: to be honest...no lol |
| 19:40.11 | dabreegster | suifur: I'm submitting this to bash.org |
| 19:40.17 | suifur | lol |
| 19:40.19 | suifur | good plan |
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| 19:40.34 | suifur | !fuck bash.org |
| 19:40.39 | mtnman | suifur: i suppose, from behind. |
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| 19:40.56 | Twisted_Emotions | mikeKJL: You understand that the people here arent payed to help you. If you dont like the suggestions then just leave man. |
| 19:41.08 | si|vercat | how do I allow ipv6 with iptables? |
| 19:41.33 | TheLaw | hello, can anyone tell me, what i have to do to trust the debian packages? Since i recently updated there seems to be some authentication mechanism for the packages. |
| 19:41.41 | rxc | hi. i accidentally deleted a entry in the gnome application menu, how to i get back to system default? |
| 19:41.41 | mikeKJL | If some asks for help and I can't help, I don't respond anyway and act like a jackass |
| 19:41.45 | hubs | i have an intel 845g card and run intelfb (2.6.11 kernel). when i set the framebuffer resolution to 1024x768 using fbset the console doesn't occupy the fullscreen but only a small portion in the upper left corner (probably just 800x600 of it which is my previous resolution) |
| 19:41.50 | hubs | i run sarge |
| 19:41.55 | tarzeau | i run sid |
| 19:42.01 | ignatz | i only walk |
| 19:42.05 | dabreegster | i run quickly |
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| 19:42.18 | tarzeau | hubs: laptop? |
| 19:42.20 | streuner | mikeKJL: that's the reason why i asked you 'Did it work or not' |
| 19:42.24 | hubs | tarzeau: no |
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| 19:42.29 | hubs | ordinary crt monitor |
| 19:42.46 | streuner | mikeKJL: that works for me, dude, so iam pretty confused about your reaction |
| 19:42.59 | mikeKJL | You've chased me out streuner, I beg your leave |
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| 19:43.12 | ignatz | lol |
| 19:43.35 | Twisted_Emotions | mikeKJL: heh? Okay.. let it go... no flame wars in here. |
| 19:43.46 | streuner | he is gone |
| 19:43.53 | Twisted_Emotions | Oh. |
| 19:44.17 | Super_Cat_Frog | hee hee |
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| 19:45.10 | suifur | !fuck kam-kam |
| 19:45.33 | Twisted_Emotions | lol... suifer: your having too much fun |
| 19:45.35 | hubs | tarzeau: any suggestions? |
| 19:45.51 | Slyboots | Im curious, Can you use the offical ATI drivers in Debian, I've tried using the fglrx(Unoffical) drivers, but they arnt very good.. |
| 19:46.01 | Slyboots | the lack of DGA support is pretty crap |
| 19:46.28 | tarzeau | hubs: no |
| 19:46.31 | hubs | ok |
| 19:46.37 | tarzeau | hubs: let's play bub-n-bros.sf.net ? |
| 19:46.42 | Twisted_Emotions | hubs: Kernel update? |
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| 19:47.23 | qpee | Super_Cat_Frog: using such a encrypted loop device means that the data is readable at mount-time, doesn't it? |
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| 19:47.50 | valdyn | Slyboots: official ati driver IS fglrx |
| 19:47.53 | qpee | which would be pointless in a server environment with an always-running-mysqld |
| 19:48.21 | hubs | Twisted_Emotions: same thing used to happen on other kernels |
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| 19:48.49 | hubs | tarzeau: umm.. joking? |
| 19:48.50 | Twisted_Emotions | hubs: Errr... dont know.. sorry. |
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| 19:49.01 | hubs | Twisted_Emotions: ok ty |
| 19:49.12 | Super_Cat_Frog | qpee - afaik, once its mounted, its readable. the point of encrypted filesystems is that people cant mount them without a password |
| 19:49.15 | hubs | np |
| 19:49.15 | tarzeau | hubs: no, i really want to play this game with others |
| 19:49.18 | Super_Cat_Frog | i think |
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| 19:49.34 | deadcat_ | Twisted_Emotions: yoyoyo. just woke up. |
| 19:49.54 | hubs | tarzeau: ah, thanks but not now. kinda busy :) (and i've never played it) |
| 19:50.10 | tarzeau | hubs: oh it's easy, left,right,hop and bubble , 4 keys |
| 19:50.20 | hubs | ok |
| 19:50.36 | Twisted_Emotions | deadcat: What's up! While you were gone... I have been helping everyone... so.. everyone need help. |
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| 19:51.03 | asdfdito | /x |
| 19:51.05 | deadcat | Twisted_Emotions: HAHAHAH. you're fucked now. |
| 19:51.20 | Twisted_Emotions | deadcat: Damn you lazy basterd its freaking 1... how do you sleep like that? |
| 19:51.39 | deadcat | Twisted_Emotions: went to sleep at 6am |
| 19:51.55 | Phated | deadcat: That's the way to go. :) |
| 19:52.07 | streuner | no, no way |
| 19:52.15 | deadcat | Phated: HAHAHAH.. i AM lazy |
| 19:52.16 | dabreegster | Sweet! I've got channel 2 in on my Rage 128... It's fuzzy, but it's there. |
| 19:52.20 | hubs | i think i'll try passing options to the kernel |
| 19:52.22 | Twisted_Emotions | deadcat: Use to be a vampire too.. but school schedule fuckered that up.. |
| 19:52.23 | streuner | that's not good for your health |
| 19:52.24 | Phated | deadcat: It rules. |
| 19:52.35 | streuner | here we go :-) |
| 19:52.40 | qpee | Super_Cat_Frog: but for mysql it makes no sense, as an always running server will always have the dev mounted and thus accessable |
| 19:52.55 | deadcat | Twisted_Emotions: let me try vnc in. if that sucks. then i will come over. |
| 19:53.17 | Super_Cat_Frog | qpee - thats a good point |
| 19:53.20 | Kerr | i was in bed just before 6.. up again at 9, asleep again at three, and up again at seven O.o |
| 19:53.24 | Kerr | !sleeping pattern |
| 19:53.32 | Twisted_Emotions | deadcat: hahahha what makes you think I will give YOU vnc access? I am a l33t h8x3r! |
| 19:53.41 | Kerr | nope, dpkg; i don't know what one is either. |
| 19:53.41 | deadcat | HAHAHHA. |
| 19:54.05 | Twisted_Emotions | deadcat: Gimme a second... had to run windows for a minute cause my dad needed to print... brb.. |
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| 19:55.27 | Phated | You spelt hax0r wrong, man, how 1337 can you be. |
| 19:55.58 | toresbe | There is no correct way to spell h4x3r |
| 19:56.06 | Phated | h4x0r. |
| 19:56.09 | deadcat | Phated: HAHAHAH.. |
| 19:56.15 | asdfdito | /x |
| 19:56.20 | asdfdito | <PROTECTED> |
| 19:56.26 | toresbe | If you can spell it, you aren't ;) |
| 19:56.41 | toresbe | heh |
| 19:56.53 | toresbe | "Hacker - if you can't spell it, you aren't." |
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| 19:57.19 | streuner | Phated: when do you start your study? |
| 19:57.25 | Zambba | |-| 4 < |< 3 |^ :P |
| 19:57.28 | Phated | streuner: 30 May. :) |
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| 19:58.00 | jupi | fast printing TwistedEmotions :p |
| 19:58.05 | TwistedEmotions | Deadcat: kk back on debian |
| 19:58.17 | TwistedEmotions | jupi: What? |
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| 19:58.29 | jupi | [21:54] <Twisted_Emotions> deadcat: Gimme a second... had to run windows for a minute cause my dad needed to print... brb.. |
| 19:58.30 | streuner | Twisted_: Did you know that you able to print from windows to debian over network? |
| 19:59.00 | streuner | TwistedEmotions: ^^^ |
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| 19:59.21 | TwistedEmotions | streuner, yeah I know.. thats why I have deadcat to fix it for me... couldnt figure it out. |
| 19:59.59 | streuner | TwistedEmotions: AFAIK you need samba |
| 20:00.06 | TwistedEmotions | jupi: I dont have samba setup correctly so I needed to switch to windows |
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| 20:01.01 | TwistedEmotions | streuner, yeah installed it.. tried to setup.. read documentation.. got more confused. |
| 20:01.44 | valdyn | windows can print directly to cups |
| 20:02.13 | streuner | TwistedEmotions: /msg dpkg cups |
| 20:02.16 | TwistedEmotions | valdyn: tried to set that up too... failed. |
| 20:02.17 | streuner | TwistedEmotions: /msg dpkg cups setup |
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| 20:02.41 | rmdl | ^f |
| 20:02.42 | TwistedEmotions | Split? |
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| 20:02.52 | streuner | !netsplit |
| 20:02.52 | dpkg | somebody said netsplit was A deliberate disconnection between (at least) two servers on one IRC network. Usually occurs when the output-queue for the link has filled up too much to make a timely (re)sync likely, so it's preferred to maintain sanity (and lag-freeness) for both parts of the network. Occurs anywhere where links between IRC-servers have too little bandwidth (available/allocated). |
| 20:02.53 | resiak | No, a disturbance in the force, TwistedEmotions. |
| 20:03.08 | deadcat | resiak: hahaahah. |
| 20:03.09 | valdyn | TwistedEmotions: the config file looks rather complicated, but all you have to adjust is to permit print access for your windows box ip |
| 20:03.14 | deadcat | ... the force |
| 20:03.31 | resiak | deadcat: I try. :-) |
| 20:03.52 | deadcat | resiak: pretty good actually (= |
| 20:03.57 | valdyn | TwistedEmotions: oh, and this is for winxp, i have _no_ idea about older versions |
| 20:04.25 | TwistedEmotions | valdyn: Thats fine... my sisters and dads computers use XP. |
| 20:04.36 | TwistedEmotions | deadcat: Should I setup VNC Server? |
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| 20:05.28 | deadcat | TwistedEmotions: let me get this straight. you want to setup a printer on linux. then share it with samba for the family right? |
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| 20:05.47 | TwistedEmotions | deadcat: Yeah.. I have to a few other problems too.. |
| 20:06.28 | deadcat | TwistedEmotions: ok. but we should setup the printer first. then share it. and i have NEVER setup a printer on linux. heheh |
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| 20:06.42 | deadcat | TwistedEmotions: lets google the printer. then we install cupsd |
| 20:06.53 | streuner | TwistedEmotions: what kind of printer do you have? |
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| 20:07.02 | TwistedEmotions | deadcat: 1) Sound... installed everything works but sounds like shit... all scratch at high volumes... 2) Need to install all the firefox plugins you can... |
| 20:07.11 | dijz | Hi, I try /var/qmail/bin/sendmail -flttt@dhi.org on Xterm but then I riceved the message, there are "From: Luiz <dijz@kafka.dhi.org>"; I want to use Qmail with Lynx, How I can to configure /etc/lynx.cfg in SYSTEM_MAIL:? |
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| 20:07.24 | deadcat | TwistedEmotions: ah. |
| 20:07.25 | TwistedEmotions | streuner, Bother HL5050 Laser Jet... |
| 20:07.31 | streuner | dijz: #qmail |
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| 20:07.33 | valdyn | !cups setup |
| 20:07.33 | dpkg | from memory, cups setup is Install cupsys, cupsys-bsd, cupsomatic-ppd and foomatic-db. Hit http://localhost:631/ and add a new printer. Enjoy! |
| 20:07.50 | TwistedEmotions | deadcat: You have never setup a printer? Wtf? Pen & Paper? |
| 20:07.58 | deadcat | TwistedEmotions: (= |
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| 20:08.07 | streuner | TwistedEmotions: parallel? |
| 20:08.18 | TwistedEmotions | streuner: yup, |
| 20:08.26 | dijz | streuner: I ask it there, but anybody took to me |
| 20:08.26 | streuner | easy |
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| 20:08.40 | TwistedEmotions | deadcat: So vnc or what? |
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| 20:08.49 | deadcat | TwistedEmotions: ssh is good enough. |
| 20:08.49 | streuner | dijz: we can't help, qmail isn't in debian... |
| 20:09.00 | valdyn | !info qmail-source |
| 20:09.10 | dijz | streuner: I ask it there, but onebody took to me |
| 20:09.11 | TwistedEmotions | deadcat: But you going to install the firefox plugins using ssh too? |
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| 20:09.30 | deadcat | TwistedEmotions: oh.. i can do that. then you run firefox for me (= |
| 20:09.31 | Boohbah | streuner: why is qmail not in debian? |
| 20:09.38 | valdyn | !info qmail-src |
| 20:09.40 | streuner | !qmail |
| 20:09.40 | dpkg | i heard qmail is a non-free (it's illegal to distribute modified binaries) MTA by djb, or http://www.qmail.org/, or for good getting-started docs see LWQ: http://www.lifewithqmail.org/lwq.html, or an MTA that insists on having 3.4 million configuration files spread throughout the filesystem. for reasons why you shouldn't use qmail, see http://lists.debian.org/debian-isp/2004/02/msg00179.html, or ... |
| 20:09.40 | dpkg | qmail-src: (Source only package for building qmail binary package), section non-free/mail, is extra. Version: 1.03-37 (sid), Packaged size: 562 kB, Installed size: 644 kB |
| 20:09.42 | TwistedEmotions | deadcat: kk |
| 20:09.57 | Boohbah | ahh, i see |
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| 20:10.32 | TwistedEmotions | deadcat: How do I give you SSH access... I dont have a firewall up I dont think... behind a router... just open port? |
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| 20:11.11 | deadcat | TwistedEmotions: config your router and forward 22 80 to your desktop |
| 20:11.18 | deadcat | no harm opening those 2 ports. |
| 20:11.22 | oskie | is there anything better than usb-storage? it locks up after a while for my digicam in 2.6.11... |
| 20:11.23 | TwistedEmotions | kk gimme a second |
| 20:11.29 | streuner | valdyn: we are talking about debian binary packages and not sources |
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| 20:12.07 | streuner | valdyn: what do you think is debian? source-code compiled by yourself or binary packages maintainted by experts? |
| 20:12.17 | maja | any one know something cool that is new in sarg ? |
| 20:12.22 | resiak | maja: An e? |
| 20:12.33 | deadcat | hehe |
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| 20:12.51 | maja | resiak: nope i alredy got one |
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| 20:13.12 | TwistedEmotions | deadcat: Ok done.. |
| 20:13.12 | drac | oskie: Try if gtkam (libgphoto2) supports your camera. |
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| 20:13.44 | oskie | drac: usb-storage supports it natively... |
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| 20:14.24 | gnat_x | is there an apt repository anywhere that would have php5 for sarge? |
| 20:14.25 | deadcat | TwistedEmotions: ok. brb. brush my teeth. in the mean time ask them about your printer setup. |
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| 20:15.23 | drac | gnat_x: dotdeb.org, /msg dpkg php5 |
| 20:15.34 | TwistedEmotions | deadcat: KK.. brb. |
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| 20:15.56 | streuner | drac: that's for sid? |
| 20:16.18 | dijz | ok, I will try to use postfix |
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| 20:16.39 | drac | streuner: oh, I stand corrected :) |
| 20:16.41 | valdyn | streuner: if youre saying that qmail-src is not made by an expert, I cant argue that, i dont know that guy. |
| 20:16.53 | vekpos | hello! i got this error by running configure: configure: error: *** Didn't find any of FreeType, X11, or Win32. |
| 20:17.11 | vekpos | whats this? ive got debian with gnome |
| 20:17.22 | phogg | vekpos: install the -dev packages. |
| 20:17.34 | vekpos | where can i get them? |
| 20:17.59 | phogg | vekpos: are you serious? |
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| 20:18.10 | vekpos | to lazy to search... |
| 20:18.12 | resiak | vekpos: apt-get install badger-dev |
| 20:18.13 | vekpos | and new |
| 20:18.16 | vekpos | ah thx! |
| 20:18.20 | valdyn | vekpos: to lazy to help ) |
| 20:18.25 | vekpos | :D |
| 20:18.50 | streuner | valdyn: you don't want to tell me, that this source package compile in that way you have a resulting binary in the same form as a debian package might be? |
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| 20:21.02 | streuner | !fuck valdyn |
| 20:21.08 | Sadist | :]]] |
| 20:21.14 | Scrape | How do I get courier-imap to look somewhere other than home dirs for maildirs? I have my maildirs under /var/mail |
| 20:21.22 | resiak | Scrape: Why? |
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| 20:21.36 | Scrape | So my mail server doesn't have to mount home dirs |
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| 20:21.51 | resiak | Scrape: Oh, right. I haven't a clue, I was just curious. |
| 20:22.02 | Oryn | Scrape: you could use cyrus |
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| 20:22.06 | spazz__ | Hi.. somebody in here who may help a noob? |
| 20:22.13 | resiak | !tell spazz__ -about ask |
| 20:22.18 | Scrape | Oryn: no way to get courier to do that? |
| 20:22.25 | streuner | spazz__: our crystal-thingies are in low stat |
| 20:22.26 | resiak | Scrape: There must be. RTFM :) |
| 20:22.26 | spazz__ | -about ask |
| 20:22.29 | phogg | Scrape: uhh... I forget, but I know I did it so it must have been pretty easy... |
| 20:22.33 | resiak | !tell spazz__ -about n00b |
| 20:22.47 | resiak | spazz__: Now ask your question :-) |
| 20:23.02 | Oryn | Scrape: I dont know, I just know that cyrus stores its mail in /var/spool/cyrus |
| 20:23.04 | spazz__ | My GLX doesnt start |
| 20:23.17 | phogg | spazz__: poke it with a stick. |
| 20:23.26 | pzn | Hi! I have debian installed in a specific hardware with no screen. I lost its IP address and have it plugged to a PC (debian machine) with a crossover ethernet cable. How can I get the MAC and IP address? is there any package for discovering MAC and IP addrs? |
| 20:23.29 | resiak | spazz__: Did you use nvidia-installer from nvidia's site? |
| 20:23.35 | spazz__ | no |
| 20:23.44 | resiak | spazz__: Are you using nvidia-glx? |
| 20:23.55 | spazz__ | I think so.. I installed it |
| 20:23.58 | spazz__ | with apt-get |
| 20:24.09 | resiak | !tell spazz__ -about nvidia-howto |
| 20:24.23 | resiak | spazz__: Pay close attention to the bit about dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xfree86 |
| 20:24.23 | spazz__ | -about nvidia-howto |
| 20:24.28 | valdyn | pzn: try a broadcast ping |
| 20:24.46 | resiak | spazz__: Why do you keep echoing the -about foo stuffs? |
| 20:24.51 | resiak | spazz__: Are you reading what the bot tells you? |
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| 20:25.18 | spazz__ | resiak: because I ama noob.. yes now i understood.. i can read it in the bot |
| 20:25.57 | pzn | valdyn, I don't even know the network/netmask... |
| 20:26.51 | spazz__ | resiak: I already know these pages and I already installed nvidia-glx by apt-get install |
| 20:27.15 | resiak | spazz__: Pay close attention to the bit about dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xfree86 |
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| 20:27.58 | spazz__ | You mean choosing nvidia as driver? |
| 20:27.59 | resiak | spazz__: "When asked to select X server modules, deselect (uncheck) GLCore and dri, and select (check) glx." |
| 20:28.13 | spazz__ | hm |
| 20:28.14 | spazz__ | k.. |
| 20:28.15 | cheal | I'm setting a VNC server and chose tightvncserver. is there a choice usually better? according to documentation, I have to type vncserver to start the VNC server. I'd like to run it like a daemon but it seems it'd not designed for that. Is this a "security feature" to have to start it each time or what? |
| 20:28.28 | spazz__ | resiak: back in short time |
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| 20:29.17 | PerfDave | cheal: There was an article on VNC on http://www.debian-administration.org/ very recently. |
| 20:29.38 | cheal | PerfDave: then it will be an occasion to check the site. thanks :) |
| 20:29.52 | cheal | hehe, quite recent indeed |
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| 20:31.41 | illuminati | hi ppl |
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| 20:31.56 | illuminati | what do i need to see the ntfs partition |
| 20:32.00 | illuminati | ? |
| 20:32.19 | wallflower | you dont need anything |
| 20:32.24 | phogg | is there a way to get a list of all packages provided bya particular repository? |
| 20:32.24 | streuner | illuminati: ntfs support in kernel |
| 20:32.26 | illuminati | or use the files of that partition |
| 20:32.28 | illuminati | ? |
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| 20:32.45 | streuner | illuminati: grep -i ntfs your_kernel_config |
| 20:32.56 | illuminati | and who do i active that support |
| 20:32.59 | illuminati | ? |
| 20:33.04 | illuminati | good |
| 20:33.06 | streuner | in your kernel |
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| 20:33.14 | wallflower | should be on by default |
| 20:33.17 | streuner | illuminati: uname -a |
| 20:33.17 | wallflower | no? |
| 20:33.28 | valdyn | pzn: ping 255.255.255.255, or try arping |
| 20:33.39 | illuminati | its there a command to know my kernel config |
| 20:33.42 | illuminati | ? |
| 20:33.43 | streuner | wallflower: read support in official kernels of debian |
| 20:33.47 | petemc | modprobe ntfs; mount /dev/hdaN /mnt/point -o umask=022 |
| 20:33.52 | streuner | illuminati: uname -a |
| 20:33.55 | wallflower | i dont run linux |
| 20:33.58 | illuminati | good |
| 20:34.15 | resiak | wallflower: What the hell are you on about? |
| 20:34.27 | wallflower | you mean why am i here? |
| 20:34.29 | streuner | haha, true |
| 20:34.31 | illuminati | this |
| 20:34.33 | illuminati | Linux debian 2.4.27-2-386 |
| 20:34.45 | PerfDave | phogg: Each repository should have a release file containing a list of all the packages in it. |
| 20:34.46 | resiak | wallflower: Among other things. But do you actually know what you're talking about? |
| 20:34.52 | streuner | illuminati: ok, you have read support for it then |
| 20:34.52 | wallflower | yes... |
| 20:35.01 | resiak | wallflower: Right. |
| 20:35.09 | wallflower | ntfs support is built in on most generic kernels for linux distros no? |
| 20:35.22 | wallflower | so i assumed the same for debian |
| 20:35.23 | streuner | sure |
| 20:35.35 | resiak | wallflower: Yes, it is. But what's your point? This guy was obviously wondering how to _use_ it. |
| 20:35.36 | PerfDave | ntfs read support, yes. |
| 20:35.45 | wallflower | Right |
| 20:35.49 | wallflower | he asked what did he need |
| 20:35.51 | phogg | PerfDave: So just cat file in /var/lib/apt/lists ? That's the best way? |
| 20:35.52 | illuminati | grep -i ntfs Linux debian 2.4.27-2-386 |
| 20:35.54 | wallflower | and i said he doesnt need anything |
| 20:36.00 | wallflower | because NTFS read support is already there |
| 20:36.01 | illuminati | its not working |
| 20:36.04 | illuminati | ? |
| 20:36.06 | resiak | !tell wallflower -about enter |
| 20:36.17 | valdyn | !tell illuminati about search |
| 20:36.22 | wallflower | what's with the attitude? |
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| 20:36.40 | streuner | illuminati: grep -i ntfs /boot/config-2.4.27-blahblah |
| 20:36.43 | illuminati | good thx |
| 20:36.49 | PerfDave | phogg: Well, that file will contain all the information you want. That file should also be wgettable from the repository if you don't want to add it to sources.list and apt-get update first :) |
| 20:36.56 | petemc | it would be easier to just try and load the ntfs module |
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| 20:38.01 | alex____ | sorry for the newby question, but is there an easy way to copy an audio CD on the HD ? |
| 20:38.03 | illuminati | streuner # CONFIG_NTFS_RW is not set |
| 20:38.28 | streuner | illuminati: of course not, debian people aren't that insane ;-) |
| 20:38.29 | valdyn | alex____: cdrdao |
| 20:38.35 | resiak | alex____: goobox |
| 20:38.36 | phogg | PerfDave: I have the source in my sources.list. What I really want to do is an apt-cache search limited to just one source |
| 20:38.37 | illuminati | hehehehehehe |
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| 20:39.31 | PerfDave | alex____: There are millions of ways. Do you want to copy the individual audio tracks, or encode them to Vorbis or MP3, or just make an ISO image of the CD? |
| 20:39.44 | illuminati | its thare a who to to make ntfs work |
| 20:39.51 | illuminati | an url |
| 20:39.54 | illuminati | please |
| 20:39.55 | phogg | alex____: do you mean burn audio CD tracks you have on your HD to CD? |
| 20:39.57 | illuminati | onegai |
| 20:40.03 | illuminati | ^^ |
| 20:40.16 | resiak | !tell illuminati -about ntfs |
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| 20:40.32 | illuminati | good |
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| 20:40.37 | illuminati | :) |
| 20:40.42 | resiak | !tell illuminati -about enter |
| 20:40.42 | alex____ | phogg: no, to get the files from the CD |
| 20:40.52 | resiak | alex____: goobox, sound-juicer, abcde ... |
| 20:41.00 | resiak | alex____: The list is endless. apt-cache search cd rip |
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| 20:41.13 | alex____ | ok thanks |
| 20:41.16 | illuminati | thx resiak |
| 20:41.18 | streuner | illuminati: just get rid of this crap |
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| 20:42.15 | illuminati | heheheheh |
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| 20:42.39 | cheal | PerfDave: however I don't see info about my question in the article |
| 20:43.10 | BrettMeister | Just went through the Sarge Debian-Installer and have now logged in. For some reason my brain just doesn't comprehend the Aptitude interface. Will someone help with some staightforward commmand lines please? |
| 20:43.36 | seldon | Hmmm. Seems I have a problem with cups here. Both the sarge/sid and the experimental version of cupsys won't work. May be a problem with the gimpprint drivers, though... |
| 20:43.53 | seldon | Printer won't print. The device is working, but cups apparently is not. |
| 20:44.06 | streuner | seldon: look at BTS - cupsys |
| 20:44.09 | PerfDave | cheal: Oh, OK, I thought it went into that. |
| 20:44.23 | valdyn | seldon: /var/log/cups/error_log |
| 20:44.33 | streuner | seldon: /msg dpkg sdn |
| 20:44.57 | deadcat | BrettMeister: apt0get install package. apt-cache search wildcard. apt-get remove package |
| 20:45.18 | BrettMeister | After login after the Debian-installer I want to install a gnome desktop and work from synaptic. |
| 20:45.28 | seldon | Ah, yeah. What was I thinking? Sorry guys, I'll check the logs out before I ask next time... |
| 20:45.34 | deadcat | BrettMeister: good luck |
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| 20:46.00 | cheal | PerfDave: unless I scanned it too quickly...it says "xvncserver |
| 20:46.01 | cheal | This will start a new server and show you the "desktop" it is running upon." |
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| 20:46.09 | BrettMeister | deadcat: Thanks. Is there an apt-get command line that I could use for that? |
| 20:46.22 | PerfDave | phogg: The best I can come up with is this, but it doesn't give you a description: for package in `apt-cache search apache | awk '{print $1}'`; do grep "Package: $package" /var/lib/apt/lists/mirror.ox.ac.uk_debian_dists_testing_main_binary-i386_Packages | awk '{print $2}'; done |
| 20:46.29 | resiak | BrettMeister: apt-get install x-window-system gnome gdm synaptic |
| 20:46.32 | resiak | BrettMeister: (as root) |
| 20:46.33 | PerfDave | phogg: Replace apache and the mirror.ox.ac.uk file with your own stuff. |
| 20:46.34 | deadcat | BrettMeister: apt0get install gnome ? |
| 20:46.37 | cheal | if I understand right that means you have to do it every time (or it's not really clear). at least that's what happens when I do that |
| 20:46.46 | BrettMeister | resiak: Thanks! |
| 20:46.50 | resiak | !faq BrettMeister |
| 20:46.51 | dpkg | BrettMeister: http://www.linuks.mine.nu/debian-faq-wiki/ |
| 20:47.03 | cheal | PerfDave: however it talks about the vncserver package, which I didn't install (I have tightvncserver) |
| 20:47.17 | PerfDave | cheal: What desktop are you using? KDE IIRC has krfb which does that and you can tell it to start each time you log in. |
| 20:47.31 | phogg | PerfDave: already got it: grep Package /var/lib/apt/lists/file | sed -e 's/.*://' | grep foo # did what I needed |
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| 20:48.01 | lindi- | cheal: isn't tightvncserver obsolete since current vncserver already support tight encoding? |
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| 20:48.10 | cheal | PerfDave: KDE...I'm checking that package now |
| 20:48.29 | PerfDave | phogg: That won't give you the same results as an apt-cache search though - that only greps on the package name, apt-cache search searches on description etc. as well. |
| 20:48.59 | TwistedEmotions | deadcat: Sorry... talking to my friend... anyways... what do I need to do to give you access.. |
| 20:49.04 | cheal | lindi-: I don't know...the debian-administration.org article mentions tightvnc first at least. I also always used tightvnc |
| 20:49.08 | phogg | PerfDave: for my purposes it works. I'll probably make up something more elaborate later |
| 20:49.14 | PerfDave | phogg: Fair enough :) |
| 20:49.17 | aldug | I've got an old computer with only 128mb of ram, does kde or gnome run faster and use less memory? |
| 20:49.18 | deadcat | TwistedEmotions: just the passwd. (= |
| 20:49.25 | cheal | lindi-: AFAIK, vncserver is an old version of realvnc, right? |
| 20:49.25 | TwistedEmotions | for root? |
| 20:49.30 | resiak | aldug: Try both, see what you think. |
| 20:49.34 | deadcat | TwistedEmotions: ya. |
| 20:49.36 | lindi- | cheal: check package descriptions |
| 20:49.45 | seldon | Hm? Alright, now this is weird. I set the LogLevel to debug, and all of a sudden it works. |
| 20:49.48 | deadcat | TwistedEmotions: change the passwd first. |
| 20:49.49 | TwistedEmotions | deadcat: its bob |
| 20:49.53 | deadcat | (= |
| 20:49.59 | deadcat | TwistedEmotions: doesnt work heheh |
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| 20:50.03 | Tuttle | I run alien on jre-1_5_0_01-linux-i586.rpm which was working for me previously on RedHat 9, installed resulting DEB package. But all programs from java/bin now throw this error: Error occurred during initialization of VM java/lang/NoClassDefFoundError: java/lang/Object. Does anyone know, where is the problem? |
| 20:50.34 | streuner | seldon: maybe you are running /etc/init.d/cupsys |
| 20:50.34 | PerfDave | Tuttle: Uhm, you used alien? It rarely actually works properly. |
| 20:50.39 | resiak | TwistedEmotions: Permission denied (publickey,keyboard-interactive). |
| 20:50.40 | PerfDave | Tuttle: /msg dpkg java, if you have to run Sun's one. |
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| 20:50.42 | resiak | TwistedEmotions: :( |
| 20:50.45 | deadcat | hahaha |
| 20:50.49 | deadcat | doesnt work either. |
| 20:50.52 | TwistedEmotions | well I wasnt going to give my passwd on #debian.. I was just kidding |
| 20:50.57 | streuner | seldon: that's no magic then ;-) |
| 20:50.58 | TwistedEmotions | lol @ resiak. |
| 20:50.59 | lindi- | Tuttle: apt-get install free-java-sdk isn't enough? ;) |
| 20:51.01 | resiak | TwistedEmotions: I know... |
| 20:51.07 | resiak | TwistedEmotions: ...but I can dream! |
| 20:51.12 | TwistedEmotions | lol. |
| 20:51.14 | cheal | lindi-: VNC packages descriptions don't seem that useful, sometimes they're the same and they don't make the difference between vncserver and vnc4server |
| 20:51.25 | seldon | streuner: I was running /etc/init.d/cupsys restart several times, but only this change in the cupsd.conf really changed anything |
| 20:51.28 | seldon | that is to say, made it work. |
| 20:51.42 | TwistedEmotions | deadcat: Msg me |
| 20:51.46 | seldon | I'm a little stumped that changing the log level could do that... |
| 20:52.04 | deadcat | TwistedEmotions: just call me for the passwd. i dont trust irc. hehe |
| 20:52.10 | TwistedEmotions | ok ok |
| 20:52.11 | Tuttle | lindi-: I do not know much about Java and its clones. Was trying to go the tested way. :) |
| 20:52.14 | lindi- | cheal: ah, it's xvncviewer that has "This package is an enhanced version of VNC including the tunneling option from TightVNC." |
| 20:52.16 | benjamindees | cheal, vncserver, the one in sarge, is yeah realvnc |
| 20:52.33 | seldon | Tuttle: Most likely the JVM doesn't find itself. Try setting JAVA_HOME manually, or, even better, use java-package on the self-extracting package from java.sun.com |
| 20:52.35 | alex____ | ok with cdrdao, I have a problem, I tried cdrdao copy --device /dev/cdrom, and it ouputs ERROR: Illegal option: --device=/dev/cdrom |
| 20:52.35 | Tuttle | PerfDave: I regret the alien is seldom working. |
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| 20:52.54 | seldon | That will give you a deb that works (well, that did always work for me, anyway) |
| 20:52.55 | cheal | benjamindees: and vnc4server is just the newer realvnc? |
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| 20:53.00 | resiak | alex____: man cdrdao |
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| 20:53.11 | benjamindees | cheal, dunno, but yeah I'd assume so |
| 20:53.11 | lindi- | Tuttle: heh, it's tested all the time just not yet complete :) |
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| 20:53.31 | TwistedEmotions | deadcat: U in? |
| 20:53.35 | deadcat | ya |
| 20:53.39 | TwistedEmotions | kk |
| 20:53.48 | close_to_debian | How can i set timeout for scrre session i get logged out from servers when a session is idle for a few hours i need to disable this feature |
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| 20:53.56 | PerfDave | Tuttle: Well, it *works* on a technical level, but you're trying to install a program which is designed for a RedHat or Mandrake or whatever system onto a Debian system, and different distros will have the required libraries etcetera in different places. You get similar problems if you try to install Ubuntu .debs on Debian and so forth. |
| 20:53.57 | TwistedEmotions | Is there any way I can watch what your doing.. I trust you.. just want to learn. |
| 20:54.06 | Tuttle | I downloaded the self extracting package previously, but when installing it in my Sarge, installation spits 'dirname: too many arguments' and finishes prematurely... |
| 20:54.11 | close_to_debian | *gnu-screen session |
| 20:54.15 | deadcat | TwistedEmotions: ya. let me set that up |
| 20:54.18 | seldon | Since we're kind of on the topic now, is there a way to make the jvm work with mozilla firefox on amd64 machines? |
| 20:54.22 | TwistedEmotions | deadcat: Thanks. |
| 20:54.25 | PerfDave | Tuttle: /msg dpkg java |
| 20:54.26 | Tuttle | PerfDave: I see |
| 20:54.35 | PerfDave | seldon: Ask #debian-amd64 ? |
| 20:54.41 | TwistedEmotions | Anyone know how to kick deadcat off of my computer? |
| 20:54.43 | Tuttle | PerfDave: I asked dpkg already, thanks :) |
| 20:54.48 | PerfDave | Tuttle: slay? |
| 20:54.59 | streuner | !info slay |
| 20:55.07 | cheal | lindi-: ok, I see that, but this is just a VNC viewer |
| 20:55.16 | dpkg | slay: (Kills all of the user's processes), section admin, is optional. Version: 2.4 (sid), Packaged size: 8 kB, Installed size: 76 kB |
| 20:55.35 | deadcat | TwistedEmotions: open a terminal. fullscreen it. then type "screen -x" see if that works or not |
| 20:55.37 | TwistedEmotions | slay deadcat: |
| 20:55.48 | close_to_debian | How can i set timeout for gnu-screen session i get logged out from servers when a session is idle for a few hours i need to disable this feature |
| 20:55.52 | TwistedEmotions | yeah I see it |
| 20:56.19 | deadcat | TwistedEmotions: cool hehehe |
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| 20:56.47 | alex____ | how can I know the SCSI address of my CD-recorder ? |
| 20:56.49 | deadcat | TwistedEmotions: i need to change the passwd so people cant guess it (= |
| 20:56.53 | TwistedEmotions | ohh kk |
| 20:56.57 | TwistedEmotions | go ahread |
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| 20:57.23 | streuner | alex____: try cdrecord -scanbus |
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| 20:57.57 | TwistedEmotions | deadcat: Forgot to tell you... check this out.. my video card isnt working. I mean my video capture card. |
| 20:57.58 | CroatianNinja | !passwd |
| 20:57.58 | dpkg | New password: |
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| 20:58.15 | deadcat | TwistedEmotions: you mean tv card? |
| 20:58.21 | Boohbah | !dict kernel |
| 20:58.23 | TwistedEmotions | deadcat: rgr |
| 20:58.24 | dpkg | Dictionary 'kernel' (2 of 10): (Note: NOT "kernal"). ;; 220 aspen.miranda.org dictd 1.9.15/rf on Linux 2.4.27-2-k7 <auth.mime> <1045784.10162.1115585903@aspen.miranda.org> 150 1 definitions retrieved 151 "kernel" foldoc "The Free On-line Dictionary of Computing (27 SEP 03)" kernel. |
| 20:58.44 | TwistedEmotions | deadcat: look @ http://www.gossamer-threads.com/lists/linux/kernel/522082?do=post_view_threaded |
| 20:58.59 | TwistedEmotions | deadcat: I think thats the fix.. I could be wrong though |
| 20:59.12 | lindi- | cheal: indeed. i haven't investigated this further but just noticed that xvncviewer/vncviewer combination supports tight encoding |
| 20:59.19 | deadcat | TwistedEmotions: lets try it out first |
| 20:59.25 | TwistedEmotions | kk |
| 20:59.33 | alex____ | resiak: I have tried cdrdao copy --device=0,0,0 (which is the SCSI address of my CD-recorder (thanks streuner), and I still get that ERROR |
| 20:59.47 | TwistedEmotions | U still on my machine? I dont see you typing anything anymore. |
| 20:59.53 | Tuttle | Java on Debian: Seems like there are many ways to get Java working. What is the quickiest and least harmful one to get some clone of java reliably running to use Eclipse and do my shool work done, please? |
| 20:59.53 | deadcat | TwistedEmotions: cable? can you go through the config there? |
| 20:59.56 | resiak | alex____: *shrug* I use goobox! |
| 21:00.05 | deadcat | TwistedEmotions: oh. must be the split |
| 21:00.07 | resiak | !tell Tuttle -about install java |
| 21:00.14 | PerfDave | Tuttle: Probably apt-get install free-java-sdk |
| 21:00.16 | TwistedEmotions | deadcat: Huh? Config for what? |
| 21:00.24 | resiak | PerfDave: Will it run Eclipse? |
| 21:00.25 | cheal | is it possible that many maintainers are waiting after sarge to update their packages description to avoid breaking the description translations? I'm asking since it seems to me that VNC packages description could do better ATM, and I'm not sure if I should do something about that. |
| 21:00.31 | PerfDave | resiak: AFAIK, yes. |
| 21:00.35 | resiak | PerfDave: Ooh. |
| 21:00.35 | ctmnz | What kind of software is good for my dual xeon |
| 21:00.42 | resiak | ctmnz: Whatever you need to run. |
| 21:00.49 | Tuttle | resiak: I read this, it is telling me something about creating DEBs on my own... |
| 21:01.00 | ctmnz | I'm talking about something for load balance |
| 21:01.04 | lindi- | Tuttle: eclipse runs with gcc 4.0 and is already package in e.g. fedora. i think it's going to be in debian soon too, wait a sec, i'll test .... |
| 21:01.06 | resiak | Tuttle: Yes. It's really quite easy (or at least I remember it being about a year ago) |
| 21:01.08 | Tuttle | sun's jre runs Eclipse without problems... |
| 21:01.19 | alex____ | resiak: could'nt find package goobox |
| 21:01.34 | resiak | !info goobox |
| 21:01.37 | dpkg | goobox: (CD player and ripper for GNOME), section gnome, is optional. Version: 0.9.91-1 (sid), Packaged size: 248 kB, Installed size: 908 kB |
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| 21:01.51 | deadcat | TwistedEmotions: config the tvtime. |
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| 21:02.04 | alex____ | resiak: fluxbox |
| 21:02.08 | TwistedEmotions | We PAL or NTSC? |
| 21:02.11 | TwistedEmotions | NTSC right? |
| 21:02.24 | resiak | alex____: I use Openbox and still use goobox. |
| 21:02.25 | deadcat | TwistedEmotions: i think so. |
| 21:02.28 | resiak | TwistedEmotions: "We"? |
| 21:02.29 | directhex | TwistedEmotions, what's "we"? |
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| 21:02.30 | TwistedEmotions | US? |
| 21:02.39 | resiak | TwistedEmotions: UK! |
| 21:02.42 | directhex | TwistedEmotions, america uses NTSC, yes |
| 21:02.43 | Tuttle | dpkg tells me to see `man jpkg' but there is no manpage like this. I'll search |
| 21:02.47 | TwistedEmotions | kk thanks |
| 21:02.54 | drac | Tuttle: man make-jpkg |
| 21:02.55 | BrettMeister | resiak: I'm running as root and trying to access the apt sources list. When I type /etc/apt/sources.list I get a "permission denied" message. Please help. |
| 21:03.17 | resiak | BrettMeister: Why are you doing that? |
| 21:03.19 | directhex | BrettMeister, it's not an executable file. open it with an editor. e.g. "nano /etc/apt/sources.list" |
| 21:03.25 | Tuttle | dpkg tells me to see `man make-jpkg' but there is no manpage like this. I'll search :) |
| 21:03.37 | resiak | directhex: You can take over from me now. :-) |
| 21:03.44 | sylvain | TwistedEmotions: FR! |
| 21:03.55 | PerfDave | ctmnz: What sort of load balancing are you talking about? |
| 21:03.59 | BrettMeister | resiak: Yes...nano...I need to take a break. I'm getting a little too pushy with myself. Sorry to bother you with something like that. |
| 21:04.08 | Tuttle | apt-file is helpful. I'm installing java-package |
| 21:04.10 | resiak | BrettMeister: Heh, s'okay. |
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| 21:04.23 | lindi- | Tuttle: experimantal has gcc 4.0 so it might just work with that |
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| 21:04.46 | ctmnz | I'm talking about traffic control and shaping |
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| 21:04.48 | PerfDave | I've been meaning to have a poke at the Java language |
| 21:05.01 | Tuttle | lindi-: Eclipse which was working on my previous Redhat 9 would suffice... |
| 21:05.02 | CroatianNinja | what do you do when you forget the root password? |
| 21:05.18 | directhex | !i forgot root's password |
| 21:05.18 | dpkg | 1) 'linux init=/bin/sh' at a lilo boot prompt (hold Shift while booting to make one appear), 2) 'fsck' your root file system, 3) 'mount -o remount,rw /', 4) 'passwd root' 5) 'mount -o remount,ro /' 6) reboot -d -f (exec /sbin/init should work); For GRUB (e.g. sarge): in step 1, press 'e' to edit the kernel setting (add init=/bin/sh to the end of it), 'b' to boot. Steps 2-6 are the same. |
| 21:05.18 | PerfDave | ctmnz: /msg dpkg lartc |
| 21:05.31 | CroatianNinja | directhex: thanks |
| 21:05.35 | ctmnz | i know about lartc |
| 21:05.36 | Rawplayer | ctmnz: www.lartc.org |
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| 21:05.55 | green_earz | BrettMeister: or why not use apt-setup |
| 21:05.57 | ctmnz | I don't know how to set load balancing between my to procesors |
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| 21:06.23 | PerfDave | ctmnz: If you want load balancing between your processors, just install an SMP-capable kernel |
| 21:06.33 | PerfDave | ctmnz: "apt-cache search kernel-image smp" |
| 21:07.04 | BrettMeister | green_earz: Hey, nice talking with you again. :-) I did use apt-setup a couple of times and realized that I was just piling more commands into the file. Needed to clean up, which I am doing now. |
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| 21:07.09 | tactless | A few friends of mine and I have bought a virtual server at godaddy. The problem is that it's running redhat 9... we've been messing with apt-rpm and yum, and are very unhappy with them. We've been trying to install dpkg, but to no avail... please help. |
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| 21:07.41 | drac | !d-i tactless |
| 21:07.42 | dpkg | tactless, you want to go to http://www.debian.org/devel/debian-installer/ - for your own good, and everyone else's. |
| 21:07.46 | directhex | !tell tactless about debtakeover |
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| 21:07.54 | green_earz | BrettMeister: pick the edit option in apt-setup |
| 21:08.05 | ctmnz | i already have and i use SMP kernel |
| 21:08.08 | tactless | No, we have no physical access to the server. We would have done that a long time ago. |
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| 21:08.28 | mono_ | how do i flush my dns? |
| 21:08.29 | PerfDave | ctmnz: In that case, you have load balancing between your processors. |
| 21:08.32 | BrettMeister | green_earz: Just got through deleting the extras. Ought to go okay now. Thanks. :-) |
| 21:08.47 | green_earz | BrettMeister: all the best |
| 21:08.48 | close_to_debian | How can i set timeout for gnu-screen session i get logged out from servers when a session is idle for a few hours i need to disable this feature |
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| 21:09.43 | green_earz | BrettMeister: when pick apt-setup edit in puts you nano |
| 21:09.52 | BrettMeister | green_earz: Thanks. And the way I'm doing right now I'll probably be back with more painfully-low-level questions. :-/ |
| 21:10.24 | green_earz | BrettMeister: please do not say raid1 |
| 21:10.51 | green_earz | BrettMeister: mine is i think raid 3/4 |
| 21:11.14 | green_earz | BrettMeister: a learning curve |
| 21:11.25 | BrettMeister | green_earz: Okay...you got me there. Learning curve? |
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| 21:13.05 | TwistedEmotions | Deadcat: what are you doing? What a sick basterd... apt-get install sexwithdonkeys. |
| 21:13.11 | jhaig | oot@ |
| 21:13.18 | BrettMeister | green_earz: resiak: directhex: Thanks for helping. |
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| 21:13.26 | jhaig | Sorry, please ignore that. ;-) |
| 21:13.26 | Tuttle | I used make-jpkg on Sun's JRE 1.5.0 and Eclipse booted successfully. Thank you guys. |
| 21:13.30 | TwistedEmotions | just kidding hes AFK. |
| 21:14.03 | phogg | TwistedEmotions: no such package :-( you got me excited for nothing. |
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| 21:15.25 | TwistedEmotions | phogg: LoL.. probably just under unstable packages ;) |
| 21:15.28 | xophEr | Hi! my computer just hanged, in what log-file should I be looking for what went wrong? |
| 21:15.49 | green_earz | BrettMeister: you have sarge up and runing ok and like it ? here a link that should be of good reference in the future > http://qref.sourceforge.net/Debian/reference/reference.en.html |
| 21:15.56 | maher | xophEr: syslog / kern.log |
| 21:15.59 | TwistedEmotions | xophEr: Where did it hang from? |
| 21:16.32 | xophEr | where? dont know why it hanged, I had been away for a few days and it was unresponsive. |
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| 21:16.38 | xophEr | maher, thanxk |
| 21:16.51 | xophEr | -xk +ks |
| 21:17.05 | TwistedEmotions | Heh... he didnt even get the joke.. much less like it. |
| 21:17.06 | jhaig | How do I set apt-get to use Sarge? Do I just edit /etc/apt/sources.list changing all instances of 'stable' to 'testing'? Thanks. |
| 21:17.13 | BrettMeister | green_earz: That faq wiki that was referenced to me a while ago is really helping. I've been pouring over the big manuals and the details that I get stuck on are just not there. Thanks for the references. |
| 21:17.28 | TwistedEmotions | jhaig: Yes. |
| 21:18.14 | jhaig | TwistedEmotions: Thanks. |
| 21:18.27 | TwistedEmotions | jhaig: Then apt-get update and apt-get upgrade |
| 21:18.47 | sylvain | TwistedEmotions: !apt-get dist-upgrade |
| 21:19.13 | jhaig | Is apt-get dist-upgrade safer than apt-get upgrade? |
| 21:19.20 | TwistedEmotions | jhaig: Errr yeah sorry... apt-get dist-upgrade |
| 21:19.21 | close_to_debian | How can i set timeout for gnu-screen session i get logged out from servers when a session is idle for a few hours i need to disable this feature |
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| 21:19.55 | jhaig | What is the difference? Does dist-upgrade to things in a particular order? |
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| 21:20.39 | green_earz | BrettMeister: the debian reference as a good starter for bash scripts. and sorry but the over kill with howtos but here is a very good apt-get primer link > http://os.newsforge.com/os/04/12/02/1710208.shtml?tid=28&tid=130 |
| 21:20.41 | sylvain | jhaig: you need to use dist-upgrade when you switch from stable to testing (sorry for english) |
| 21:20.50 | TwistedEmotions | jhaig, dont know... probably something with just in case you need to undo or something? |
| 21:21.23 | sylvain | jhaig: same if you switch from testing to unstable later :) |
| 21:21.24 | green_earz | BrettMeister: no but should be for |
| 21:21.26 | jhaig | sylvain: I intend to switch back to stable when Sarge becomes stable. |
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| 21:21.42 | tactless | I'm having some issues with debtakeover: |
| 21:21.46 | BrettMeister | green_earz: Thanks. |
| 21:21.52 | green_earz | np |
| 21:21.53 | tactless | -> Debootstrapping |
| 21:21.53 | tactless | -> Checking chroot sanity |
| 21:21.54 | tactless | error: Bad chroot, clean, correct, and try again. |
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| 21:22.14 | TwistedEmotions | jhaig: Err... wont you have to downgrade then? |
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| 21:22.22 | sylvain | jhaig: so keep stable in your sources.list |
| 21:22.48 | sylvain | Sarge will be "stable" till the end of the month |
| 21:22.48 | maher | jhaig: use sarge instead of testing theb |
| 21:22.55 | maher | jhaig: s/theb/then/ |
| 21:23.14 | WolfCub | Hey did you guys notice that the latest updates to sarge have broken your network? I had my machine acting as a router as well as my rig, and others connect to the net through it, and now they're all unable to access the net. |
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| 21:23.17 | WolfCub | Any tips? |
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| 21:23.25 | TwistedEmotions | slyvian: Sarge is testing not stable. |
| 21:23.30 | ericb_ | whats the deal, I've spent 8hrs trying to setup a mail client on linux to work with Gmail. I am trying to do it with postfix, fetchmail, and mutt. But I don't know I am doing. I am just shootiong in the dark. 8hrs for peet sake |
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| 21:23.51 | MO79 | what have I done to get my /dev/hdc-20 to move to /dev/.static/dev/hdc-20 ? and is that a problem, my cdrom drive works. |
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| 21:23.53 | ericb_ | lord have mercy |
| 21:23.55 | jhaig | Hmmm, I wanted to try Sarge before the full release because I'm having a bit of trouble with CUPS and I thought the later version may help. Now I see that cupsys is being kept back. :-( |
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| 21:24.01 | xenoduck_ | ericb__: pop pop.gmail.com proto pop3 user "me@gmail.com" pass "foo" ssl |
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| 21:24.06 | xophEr | May 8 23:44:26 localhost -- MARK --, any ideas what this means? its the last entry I got on my syslog, before restart |
| 21:24.09 | TwistedEmotions | sylvain: So if he wants to upgrade the he needs to either use "sarge" or "testing" |
| 21:24.17 | xophEr | and there's about 20 lines of that |
| 21:24.21 | ericb__ | xenoduck : ?? |
| 21:24.21 | caphuso | xophEr: syslog is telling you that it's still alive |
| 21:24.30 | sylvain | TwistedEmotions: you're right :) my bad |
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| 21:24.37 | ericb__ | xenoduck ok sorry |
| 21:24.41 | genix_ | i cant get this to work with sed anymore, any suggestion?: cat file | sed -e "s#foo#bar#g" > file |
| 21:24.57 | xenoduck_ | ericb__: Err, the first "pop" should be "poll". |
| 21:24.58 | caphuso | genix_: cat file | sed > file.new && cp file.new file |
| 21:25.04 | TwistedEmotions | sylvain: all good ;) That was a question as much as a statement.. haha |
| 21:25.06 | xophEr | caphuso, but my system didnt respond on anything, so how alive could it be? :) |
| 21:25.07 | ericb_ | i think there are two of us |
| 21:25.18 | caphuso | xophEr: alive enough to write its watermark |
| 21:25.19 | maher | genix_: don't you want / instead of # |
| 21:25.30 | caphuso | maher: doesn't matter |
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| 21:25.41 | caphuso | as long as all 3 characters are the same |
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| 21:25.55 | xophEr | doesnt put me closer to the answer Im looking for |
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| 21:26.06 | xophEr | which would be why it hanged :) |
| 21:26.17 | caphuso | "echo fogarglsdsf | sed -e ssgssg" is perfectly valid |
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| 21:26.34 | maher | xophEr: that just means it restarted |
| 21:26.39 | mikeKJL | ericb_ is now nikeKJL |
| 21:26.49 | mikeKJL | thx xenoduck, I am gonna try it |
| 21:27.05 | tactless | anyone, help with debtakeover? |
| 21:27.23 | maher | tactless: i've never heard anyone report that actually worked |
| 21:27.30 | jhaig | I've switched back to stable and I'm going to wait for the release at the end of the month. Thanks for the help. |
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| 21:27.42 | TwistedEmotions | What's that? Sounds dangerous... debtakeover.. |
| 21:28.01 | genix_ | caphuso: All I want is doing some replacements in a file |
| 21:28.06 | TwistedEmotions | jhaig: For a server or personal computer? |
| 21:28.12 | caphuso | genix_: cat file | sed > file.new && cp file.new file |
| 21:28.13 | MASoft | I want to shutdown in Gnome ! now I go to logout then Shutdown in GDM ! is there anyway except terminal and run Shutdown command ? |
| 21:28.30 | jhaig | A server. |
| 21:28.42 | xophEr | maher, the MARK-line? restarted what? I got these lines every half hour since 06:33 yesterday |
| 21:28.42 | genix_ | caphuso: give me an example in this case: cat file | sed -e "s#foo#bar#g" > file |
| 21:28.52 | maher | xophEr: that's not a problem |
| 21:28.53 | mikeKJL | xenoduck_, where should I type pop pop.gmail.com proto pop3 user "me@gmail.com" pass "foo" ssl? |
| 21:29.01 | mikeKJL | pop - poll |
| 21:29.03 | TwistedEmotions | jhaig: Oh kk then still to stable... wait a month... easier. |
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| 21:29.22 | caphuso | genix_: sed -e "s#foo#bar#g" < file > file.new && cp file.new file |
| 21:29.26 | xenoduck_ | mikeKJL: That's a line for your fetchmailrc. |
| 21:29.28 | caphuso | genix_: i'm not going to repeat that |
| 21:29.31 | mikeKJL | k |
| 21:29.36 | mikeKJL | xenoduck_, gotcha |
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| 21:30.11 | jhaig | And with 4 machines using an NFS share from it, I think it is not too good an idea to upgrade 224 packages at the moment. ;-) |
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| 21:30.32 | sylvain | jhaig: indeed :) |
| 21:30.38 | deadcat | TwistedEmotions: my friend was using my computer so i have to create an account and switch to another screen |
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| 21:31.19 | TwistedEmotions | deadcat: If he pulls that again tell him hes dead... I mean good deal ;) |
| 21:31.56 | TwistedEmotions | deadcat: What is different between non-free packages and normal? |
| 21:31.57 | deadcat | TwistedEmotions: she needs to upload her resume. |
| 21:32.11 | deadcat | TwistedEmotions: the none-free shits. |
| 21:32.27 | TwistedEmotions | deadcat: Im just kidding man... tell her to do whatever she needs.. im on no time limit. |
| 21:32.38 | deadcat | TwistedEmotions: hahaha. |
| 21:33.07 | mikeKJL | xenoduck_, when I do fetchmail --all, it says no mail, but I have mail. What is happening |
| 21:33.41 | xenoduck_ | mikeKJL: I have no idea what's happening. Sounds like some troubleshooting is in order. Make sure you enabled POP access in gmail. |
| 21:33.45 | joh | is setting CONFIG_CRAMFS=y in the kernel sufficient for using make-kpkg's --initrd option? |
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| 21:34.24 | mikeKJL | xenoduck_, I did enable it, but I now what you mean, could be anything |
| 21:34.54 | mikeKJL | my fingers are in pain from sitting on this box for so long |
| 21:34.58 | maher | mikeKJL: doesn't fetchmail have some verbose option os something |
| 21:35.22 | maher | mikeKJL: go out and play with your friends for a bit |
| 21:36.21 | deadcat | TwistedEmotions: damn. i had to install flashplugin by hand on my machines. )= |
| 21:36.31 | mikeKJL | lifes a bitch and then you die |
| 21:36.39 | TwistedEmotions | deadcat: thats why my computer is sexy. ;) Weeeeee |
| 21:36.42 | deadcat | TwistedEmotions: restart firefox and test flash/streaming. |
| 21:37.02 | benjamindees | can anyone help me with an X font error, in woody, Cannot convert string "variable" to type FontStruct |
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| 21:37.23 | mikeKJL | I use fetchmailconf and make config changes, but then when I open it again, the changes aren't saved |
| 21:37.46 | deadcat | TwistedEmotions: you shouldnt mount ntfs with rw. you might accidently write something to it and fucks it up |
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| 21:38.25 | xenoduck_ | mikeKJL: Then don't use fetchmailconf. Just edit your .fetchmailrc. |
| 21:38.39 | TwistedEmotions | deadcat: I just read a file and it taught me how to do it... do it however its easier. |
| 21:39.41 | TwistedEmotions | deadcat: I had to turn the volume down since it sounded to shitty... but it works fine in windows.. |
| 21:39.58 | deadcat | TwistedEmotions: ok. |
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| 21:41.16 | mikeKJL | xenoduck_, I can specify ports for pop, and smtp in te .fetchmailrc file? |
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| 21:42.20 | TwistedEmotions | deadcat: Ohh and for the video capture card it was giving some kind of error... I dont know what the command was the look up the error but someone gave me the command in here. |
| 21:42.36 | deadcat | TwistedEmotions: dmesg? |
| 21:42.56 | TwistedEmotions | maybe... |
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| 21:43.01 | TwistedEmotions | but with some options |
| 21:43.13 | TwistedEmotions | yeah dmsg with some other options |
| 21:43.13 | deadcat | TwistedEmotions: dmesg and tell me which option |
| 21:44.07 | TwistedEmotions | deadcat: U see the errors? |
| 21:44.18 | MobyTurbo | !u |
| 21:44.18 | dpkg | Damnit Jim! It's YOU. Y-O-U. Not *U*. U is a letter. YOU is a word. See ne1, or wud. Dutch for 'you' (formal singular). See http://ars.userfriendly.org/cartoons/?id=20041201 |
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| 21:45.49 | mikeKJL | xenoduck_, are you sure that the line you mentioned before is all I need for the fetchmail config file. Cux if so then my problem is not fetchmail related. DO you use gmail? |
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| 21:46.20 | MASoft | what does this file do ? /ver/lock/console/masoft (masoft is my username) |
| 21:46.51 | zirikili | I have usb interfaces but when try to use it, I get an "cannot acces /dev/ttyUSB0" error. any help? |
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| 21:47.14 | maher | zirikili: what device are you trying to use |
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| 21:47.46 | TwistedEmotions | deadcat: 1364 Laverock Ln. Alamo, CA |
| 21:47.47 | zirikili | a palm handheld with jpilot |
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| 21:48.09 | maher | zirikili: does the device show up in lsusb / usbview? |
| 21:48.27 | rmdl | -:- gilvi [~gilvi@104.Red-81-38-91.pooles.rima-tde.net] has left #debian ["Abandonando"] |
| 21:48.27 | zirikili | maher: let me see |
| 21:48.27 | rmdl | -:- SignOff mark: #debian (Client Quit) |
| 21:48.56 | jetdotnet | greetings earthlings |
| 21:49.02 | mikeKJL | when I am specifying details for the smtp.gmail.com webserver, should I select pop3 protocol, or auto or what? |
| 21:49.18 | deadcat | what the f. maps.google.com jsut dont work for me. |
| 21:49.38 | jetdotnet | google is coming out with some new map thing.. i think it looks kickass |
| 21:49.39 | maher | mikeKJL: did you see this: http://souptonuts.sourceforge.net/postfix_tutorial.html |
| 21:50.13 | Scrufffy | salut |
| 21:50.17 | zirikili | maher: lsusb shows a webcan device...but dont show the handhelp |
| 21:50.26 | Scrufffy | pourriez ous m'aider ? |
| 21:50.27 | xenoduck_ | mikeKJL: I have no idea what you're asking at this point. You were asking about how to retrieve your Google Mail via pop. I told you the exact line you need to put in your .fetchmailrc to do it. (shrug) |
| 21:50.31 | jetdotnet | !fr |
| 21:50.31 | dpkg | Les personnes qui parlent francais et qui ont besoin d'une aide a propos de Debian peuvent venir sur #debian-fr - People speaking french and in need of support for debian, please join #debian-fr |
| 21:50.39 | Scrufffy | j'en était sûr |
| 21:50.42 | Scrufffy | mdrrr |
| 21:50.46 | Scrufffy | !fr |
| 21:50.46 | dpkg | Les personnes qui parlent francais et qui ont besoin d'une aide a propos de Debian peuvent venir sur #debian-fr - People speaking french and in need of support for debian, please join #debian-fr |
| 21:50.51 | maher | zirikili: do you need a special driver for the palm thing? |
| 21:50.52 | Scrufffy | :) |
| 21:50.57 | Scrufffy | thanks ;) @+. |
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| 21:51.24 | zirikili | maher: I really don't know... I will find for it... thank you |
| 21:51.44 | mikeKJL | maher, that tutorial is insane, I use aptitude and they don't have latest version of postfix, we have version 1.1.11 |
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| 21:52.19 | deadcat | TwistedEmotions: theres an exit sign with livorna rd right? |
| 21:52.19 | mikeKJL | xenoduck_, that line didn't work though, maybe I am doing something else wrong, but I type fetchmail --all, and I got no mail |
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| 21:52.50 | TwistedEmotions | yeah... |
| 21:53.01 | TwistedEmotions | deadcat: Livorna Rd Exit |
| 21:53.04 | TwistedEmotions | then make a right |
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| 21:53.08 | TwistedEmotions | and make the second left |
| 21:53.17 | TwistedEmotions | go to end of the street. |
| 21:53.24 | deadcat | TwistedEmotions: ok. later. |
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| 21:53.53 | TwistedEmotions | deadcat: I lub you. |
| 21:53.56 | deadcat | (= |
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| 21:55.20 | jetdotnet | what's the minimum processor to run an audio system in my car, do you think |
| 21:55.40 | xenoduck_ | dpkg doesn't work |
| 21:55.40 | dpkg | Look buddy, doesn't work is an ambiguous statement. Does it sit on the couch all day? Does it want more money? Does it waste its time on IRC all day long? Please be specific! Define 'it' and what it isn't doing. |
| 21:56.00 | jetdotnet | well hopefully a celery500 will work.. should. |
| 21:56.49 | benjamindees | jetdotnet, anything with mmx |
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| 21:57.24 | imka | hi |
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| 21:58.06 | jetdotnet | i hit a lot of major bumps |
| 21:58.31 | jetdotnet | oooo run it in a ramdisk |
| 21:58.45 | imka | i don't wanna install a login manager. i would like "startx" to be executed automatically if my user logs in. i saw this in some distro. could someone help me setting this up? |
| 21:59.17 | jetdotnet | add it to the .bashrc of each user, the one in skel if many |
| 21:59.21 | jetdotnet | is one thought |
| 21:59.28 | shingouz | imka: Install gdm, xdm, kdm or some other display manager and you are set |
| 21:59.30 | overnout | just dont instal login manager |
| 22:00.10 | imka | thanks all. i'll try the bashrc thing |
| 22:00.36 | overnout | you just have to run startx in ~/.bachrc |
| 22:00.43 | imka | just installed sarge and it's now pretty much set up with xfce and i can only say "wow" |
| 22:00.50 | overnout | and edit ~/.xinitrc acordingly |
| 22:01.00 | jetdotnet | you can type other words though, ok |
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| 22:01.36 | imka | thanks. brb |
| 22:02.18 | BrettMeister | green_earz: Okay...installed the x-window-system-core, then gnome. Upon reboot it does not take me to the gdm login but the text debian login. Ideas? |
| 22:02.38 | jetdotnet | dpkg-reconfigure gdm |
| 22:02.48 | cheal | I'm trying VNC, and my tightvnc Windows client can't send deadkeys. according to vnc-common's FAQ : "It's quite a challenge working out how to do international keyboard support across different platforms. We'll sort out dead keys, but if you'd like to work out how to do them, we'd be grateful." what does that mean, send a bug report? |
| 22:03.06 | jetdotnet | less /etc/X11/default-display-manager also, BrettMeister |
| 22:03.23 | jetdotnet | which is what the reconfigure is supposed to set |
| 22:03.58 | jetdotnet | breetamusmaximux |
| 22:04.06 | BrettMeister | jetdotnet: Thanks. So...the dpkg command should change what needs to be changed, or do I need to do those other commands, too? |
| 22:04.10 | jetdotnet | s/x/s/ |
| 22:04.19 | jetdotnet | it should change that file |
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| 22:04.31 | jetdotnet | less it to look at it |
| 22:04.43 | BrettMeister | jetdotnet: Thanks. Will do. |
| 22:04.44 | jetdotnet | should be /usr/bin/gdm iirc |
| 22:05.08 | jetdotnet | kdm is different, xdm the same (iirc) |
| 22:05.27 | jetdotnet | or is it the other way around |
| 22:06.12 | jetdotnet | ah. /usr/bin/kdm, /usr/bin/X11/xdm |
| 22:07.13 | BrettMeister | jetdotnet: Ooops. Says that the package "gdm" is not installed. I thought that it would be along with the gnome install. Should I just apt-get that? Or is this a sign of some other prob? |
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| 22:07.30 | jetdotnet | apt-get, it's not installed with the gnome metapackage |
| 22:07.42 | BrettMeister | jetdotnet: K |
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| 22:08.11 | jetdotnet | get gdm-themes also while you're at it |
| 22:08.18 | jetdotnet | !info gdm-themes |
| 22:08.20 | dpkg | gdm-themes: (Themes for the GNOME Display Manager), section gnome, is optional. Version: 0.4.1 (sid), Packaged size: 640 kB, Installed size: 976 kB |
| 22:09.20 | jetdotnet | and when you text-edit /etc/gdm/gdm.conf there's more to set than you can reach with the gui config interface |
| 22:10.16 | TwistedEmotions | deadcat: U there? |
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| 22:10.34 | jetdotnet | hey if sarge is frozen, does this mean xorg and other updates are coming soon to a mirror near you? |
| 22:10.37 | cheal | PerfDave: I'm still wondering why standard VNC servers can't run as a service, but krfb looks great, thanks for that |
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| 22:10.45 | jetdotnet | to sid i mean |
| 22:11.11 | cheal | I don't think before sarge is stable |
| 22:11.31 | cheal | (at least for X.org) |
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| 22:12.22 | oomg | I have done 'chown -R user /home/user' and the user have 'public_html' in his homedir.. when i put the browser to url/~user/ it says forbidden.. what to do now? |
| 22:12.44 | resiak | jetdotnet: The idea is to keep disruptive stuffs out of unstable until Sarge releases. |
| 22:12.44 | gravity | X.org is in the works |
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| 22:12.44 | Thaiger | Why is it that when I try to apt-get a new terminal or just something little that apt wants to install like 300 new packages and remove like 50? |
| 22:12.44 | gravity | Although it's going to take some time to get it in to experimental |
| 22:12.46 | jetdotnet | if it's froze it's froze |
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| 22:13.24 | cheal | jetdotnet: freeze seems to be still a bit partial, for example release update says most problem should still be solved by upload to unstable |
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| 22:14.13 | jetdotnet | just curious, i quit caring about exactly when a while ago :) |
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| 22:14.29 | jetdotnet | you're not blue, you're green |
| 22:14.29 | oomg | I have done 'chown -R user /home/user' and the user have 'public_html' in his homedir.. when i put the browser to url/~user/ it says forbidden.. what to do now? |
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| 22:15.56 | bobacus | oomg, you either need to chmod o+rx /home/user and /home/user/public_html and also chmod o+r the files in public_html, or g+rx / g+r and set the group to www-data |
| 22:16.26 | bobacus | oomg, the server runs as the user www-data (in Debian by default) |
| 22:17.17 | benjamindees | anyone here use Win4Lin on debian? |
| 22:17.43 | TwistedEmotions | benjamindees, Is that a windows emulator? |
| 22:17.55 | benjamindees | TwistedEmotions, yes |
| 22:17.56 | neoXite | pppd takes forever to realize a ppp0 link has died, can i somehow speed up detection of dead ppp connections? |
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| 22:20.14 | verbose | hello peterS |
| 22:20.20 | verbose | i'm trying the debian-1.iso install |
| 22:20.29 | verbose | which is exactly the same as netinst, right? |
| 22:20.51 | peterS | the install itself is the same |
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| 22:21.08 | verbose | when i try to configre my nic with dhcp it says my network is not using dhcp or it is too slow |
| 22:21.10 | verbose | something like this |
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| 22:21.31 | verbose | therefore, i entered my hostname not as the default "debian" but hppav, the windows hostname |
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| 22:21.48 | verbose | this should be right... |
| 22:21.51 | peterS | you may need to enter an IP address and netmask manually then |
| 22:21.58 | peterS | the hostname doesn't really matter for this purpose |
| 22:22.07 | verbose | so it could be made debian? |
| 22:22.17 | peterS | it could be whatever you want |
| 22:22.21 | verbose | 192.168.0.1 should be good, right? |
| 22:22.22 | verbose | ok |
| 22:22.33 | peterS | I don't know what range of IPs your particular cable modem recognises |
| 22:22.38 | peterS | 192.168.0.1 is reasonable for a lot of them |
| 22:22.48 | peterS | netmask would be 255.255.0.0 most likely |
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| 22:23.03 | paxl | Any package guru that'd be interested to help me to recuperate my distro ? |
| 22:23.21 | verbose | yeh, it automatically gives the correct netmask i think |
| 22:23.37 | peterS | unfortunately I don't know what the gateway IP should be. and that will matter a lot |
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| 22:23.50 | verbose | the only difference between netinst and full cd seems to be the number of installable kernels |
| 22:23.51 | verbose | ... |
| 22:24.05 | verbose | yes, i'll have to figure that out somehow |
| 22:24.08 | peterS | that, and the amount of software you can install from the CD, without a network connection |
| 22:24.19 | verbose | it has the netmask as 255.255.255.0 |
| 22:24.24 | peterS | if you boot into Windows, 'ipconfig /all' will give you all that information |
| 22:24.25 | verbose | ah ok |
| 22:24.41 | oomg | how to create this permissions: -rw-r--r-- |
| 22:24.42 | oomg | ? |
| 22:24.44 | verbose | actually, when i run ipconfig my ip is 0.0.0.0 for some reason |
| 22:25.02 | peterS | try ipconfig /all - ipconfig may be selecting the wrong default interface |
| 22:25.03 | cafuego | u=rw,g=r,o=r |
| 22:25.07 | mwilson | grrr, stupid emacs |
| 22:25.18 | cafuego | (See also man chmod) |
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| 22:25.30 | arnoldoree | hello |
| 22:25.44 | scarynetworkguy | verbose: Comcast? |
| 22:25.45 | verbose | possibly |
| 22:25.47 | verbose | yes |
| 22:26.00 | verbose | i haven't had the lan cable plugged into the nic card for quite some time |
| 22:26.16 | paxl | me.paxl.org/bug << this is the error I get when i try to apt-get install something.. |
| 22:26.17 | |ryan| | arg |
| 22:26.19 | scarynetworkguy | verbose: `Power cycle the modem. After it comes back up do a ifdown eth0 ifup eth0 That should sort it nicely. |
| 22:26.40 | |ryan| | verbose: ARG network interface card card!? |
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| 22:26.41 | arnoldoree | can someone please tell me what /proc/mm is used for and if its ok if its not found on a UML kernel |
| 22:27.12 | peterS | scarynetworkguy: he's still in the installer. it hasn't configured him for dhcp yet |
| 22:27.15 | Zetabyte | Slightly OT question: I'm working on some code for research - I'm new to professional coding and I need to learn how to profile and optimize code. Any suggestions for a good tutorial/walkthrough? |
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| 22:27.21 | oomg | cafuego: what is 'd' ? d--------- |
| 22:27.25 | peterS | oomg: directory |
| 22:27.29 | |ryan| | oomg: directory |
| 22:27.32 | oomg | a |
| 22:27.32 | oomg | ty |
| 22:27.43 | verbose | scarynetworkguy: from within debian? |
| 22:27.58 | peterS | verbose: he's talking as though you had already configured your NIC to use DHCP. which you haven't yet |
| 22:28.06 | verbose | is the gateway ip address dynamic or static? |
| 22:28.13 | verbose | ah |
| 22:28.25 | verbose | i don't know how i'm going to get dhcp to work |
| 22:28.31 | scarynetworkguy | verbose: peterS Try power cycling the modem and then let it try to grab a address again. |
| 22:28.47 | paxl | Uuuuu.. I want yer help :( >> http://me.paxl.org/bug |
| 22:28.48 | verbose | you mean, from within windows? |
| 22:28.51 | doub | Zetabyte: it's hard to answer, your question is way too broad. what compiler, language? google might help once you answer this question |
| 22:29.24 | verbose | is there a way to discover the gateway without using ipconfig? |
| 22:29.33 | verbose | i think i once saw a way to do this |
| 22:29.41 | streuner | verbose: try route -n |
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| 22:29.43 | scarynetworkguy | verbose: What was the modem plugged into before this? |
| 22:29.48 | peterS | or winipcfg |
| 22:29.51 | verbose | usb |
| 22:30.03 | streuner | oh he is on windows? |
| 22:30.15 | peterS | streuner: he's got both. windows can get on the net, his debian box can't yet |
| 22:30.20 | scarynetworkguy | verbose: Have you tried power cycling it and then letting the installer try to grab a address again? |
| 22:30.23 | peterS | I mean, the debian *boot* |
| 22:30.29 | streuner | peterS: ic |
| 22:30.29 | verbose | yes |
| 22:30.33 | verbose | i will try again though |
| 22:30.38 | scarynetworkguy | With Comcast you *always* have to power cycle the damn thing. |
| 22:30.42 | verbose | i will have to boot into windows again |
| 22:30.45 | verbose | ah |
| 22:30.53 | verbose | well, the nic card is the problem it seems |
| 22:31.10 | verbose | should i connect the cable modem to the nic? |
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| 22:31.20 | verbose | or should i use usb? |
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| 22:31.44 | BrettMeister | Got my x system up and gnome to run; but, I need to change some settings to get the debian screen compatable with the hardware. Could someone tell me where that config is? |
| 22:31.48 | peterS | verbose: are you using the right type of cable between the nic and the modem? either straight or crossover, whichever it wants? |
| 22:31.59 | gravity | BrettMeister: dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xfree86 |
| 22:32.09 | verbose | well, i always i use usb in windows |
| 22:32.16 | BrettMeister | gravity: Thanks. I'll try that. |
| 22:32.31 | verbose | for awhile i had the lan cable connected to the win98 machine |
| 22:32.41 | doub | verbose: usb requires a driver, while ethernet does not. there might not be a linux driver for your modem |
| 22:32.42 | peterS | and this is the same cable? |
| 22:32.45 | verbose | until the ntwk went down...stupid windows |
| 22:32.54 | doub | verbose: ethernet does require a driver, but for the NIC |
| 22:33.09 | peterS | doub: yeah, we told him all that last night when he wondered whether to use USB or Ethernet |
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| 22:33.11 | verbose | i should use nic |
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| 22:33.16 | verbose | i mean, ethernet |
| 22:33.26 | verbose | yes |
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| 22:33.58 | verbose | brb, i am going to get a linux book and look up gateway address |
| 22:33.58 | doub | peterS: you sound like a little bored ;) |
| 22:34.14 | imka | adding startx to bash_profile worked. |
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| 22:35.03 | imka | is there a way i can allow my user to use the commands "reboot" and "shutdown"? |
| 22:35.13 | saloxin | imka: sudo |
| 22:35.18 | keenan | how can i make the automagic debian menu be the root menu instead of a submenu? |
| 22:35.27 | asdfdito | <PROTECTED> |
| 22:35.30 | imka | saloxin is that the wisest way? |
| 22:35.35 | khorben_ | imka: through the display manager, if relevant |
| 22:35.36 | cafuego | imka: Rather than making X start each timr you open a shell, try 'xdm' or 'gdm' or 'kdm'. |
| 22:35.51 | colk | thats the safest way imka |
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| 22:36.12 | verbose | i'll have to check it in windows |
| 22:36.22 | imka | caufuego now i know why it always complains when i start the terminal |
| 22:36.42 | cafuego | imka: yah, it ALSO tries to start X *again* when you do that. |
| 22:36.53 | dan2 | cafuego: I spent 3 hours today writing a CircularBuffer class in C++ today... it failed... it makes java feel refreshing |
| 22:37.09 | cafuego | dan2: I've told you a thousand times before, c++ sucks. |
| 22:37.14 | dan2 | it really does |
| 22:37.24 | cafuego | yah, I never claimed to be kidding <heh> |
| 22:37.28 | dan2 | cafuego: ocaml is frefreshing |
| 22:37.38 | MASoft | Java is too slow ! |
| 22:37.38 | dan2 | ocaml is like drinking a cold coke on a hot summer day |
| 22:37.40 | imka | brb |
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| 22:37.51 | cafuego | MASoft: Java isn't slow. Be silent. |
| 22:37.52 | dan2 | MASoft: I'd trade speed for development time |
| 22:37.57 | *** part/#debian jigdo (root@200227067090-dial-user-ECP.acessonet.com.br) |
| 22:38.10 | verbose | for the domain name... would it be something like hsd1.mi.comcast.net? |
| 22:38.12 | arnoldoree | what is syscall?? |
| 22:38.21 | dan2 | cafuego: I'd never think I'd be ready to go back to using java |
| 22:38.22 | verbose | that's to the right of the hostname |
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| 22:38.49 | dan2 | cafuego: I wrote some decent C++ applications... all avoiding templates, sticking to C++ basics and was pretty much ok |
| 22:39.05 | arnoldoree | can anyone tell me what syscall is? |
| 22:39.17 | MASoft | cafuego, We test in a image processing program ! My program with C++ take 6 sec to work ! my friend with java take about 18 sec to work !!! with the same alghrithm |
| 22:39.30 | dan2 | MASoft: don't use java for shell |
| 22:39.37 | dan2 | java isn't actually that slow |
| 22:39.42 | dan2 | except in string parsing |
| 22:39.44 | dan2 | where is really slow |
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| 22:39.47 | cafuego | MASoft: Yes, now try that again with the java stuff precompiled and preloaded. |
| 22:39.57 | DaCa | arnoldoree: in short, its the way how userspace talks to kernelspace |
| 22:39.59 | dan2 | MASoft: try it with gcj-4.0 |
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| 22:40.09 | verbose | going to boot into windows again |
| 22:40.26 | MASoft | cafuego, In fact I have no experience with Java ! my friend is a Java programmer ... |
| 22:40.35 | cafuego | !slap MASoft |
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| 22:41.00 | smurp | hehe |
| 22:41.02 | Nelyot | hi |
| 22:41.24 | verbose | whenever i install 2.6.xx and try to boot to it i get "/sbin/init: 431: cannot open /dev/console: No such file" |
| 22:41.28 | streuner | cafuego: are you aware that you one of the persons who uses those things most? |
| 22:41.34 | gravity | mono > java anyway |
| 22:41.36 | verbose | Kernel panic: Attempted to kill init! |
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| 22:41.39 | MASoft | There isn't any reason that I use JAVA ! :D |
| 22:41.40 | verbose | and then it freezes |
| 22:41.45 | verbose | i'll have to install 2.4.xx |
| 22:41.49 | verbose | 2.6 doesn't work |
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| 22:41.56 | tristezo21 | HI! How can I say if Mdp i compiled to play Musepack? how can I see the compilation directives? |
| 22:42.01 | verbose | don't know why |
| 22:42.01 | cafuego | streuner: Good innit? |
| 22:42.15 | cafuego | !blame streuner |
| 22:42.32 | verbose | i install using expert, not expert26 but this shouldn't make a different i wouldn't think |
| 22:42.39 | tristezo21 | HI! How can I say if Mdp IS compiled to play Musepack? how can I see the compilation directives? |
| 22:43.02 | streuner | tristezo21: why you need those? |
| 22:43.06 | MASoft | gravity, I prefer Mono, too ! |
| 22:43.16 | streuner | tristezo21: just compile the base lib |
| 22:43.30 | streuner | tristezo21: after that plugin or whatever |
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| 22:43.53 | iceking | HAHAHAHA YOU CANT SPAM ME SUCKERS!! YOU SUCK HAHAHAHA!! GO TO MY BOARDS HAHAHAHAHA! WWW.GOOGLEST.COM HAHAHAHAHAH! LOSERS YOU THINK YOU CAN BAN ME GESS AGAIN I AM ON A PROXIE HAHAHAHHAH! YOU CANT DO SHOT TO ME HAHAHAHAHAH! FUCKERS HAHAHAHA! WWW.GOOGLSET.COM WWW.GOOGLEST.COM WWW.GOOGLEST.COM WWW.GOOGLEST.COM WWW.GOOGLEST.COM |
| 22:44.04 | streuner | moron |
| 22:44.07 | cafuego | hey retard, it's MONDAY |
| 22:44.24 | MobyTurbo | cafuego: still Sunday here in the US |
| 22:44.26 | PerfDave | cafuego: Not here it's not, and not in USia. |
| 22:44.30 | tristezo21 | Mpd depends of many libs, but there´s no musepak or mpc lib |
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| 22:44.35 | MASoft | some one kick iceking |
| 22:44.40 | cafuego | MobyTurbo: Everywhere that counts it is. |
| 22:44.44 | iceking | HAHAHAHA YOU CANT SPAM ME SUCKERS!! YOU SUCK HAHAHAHA!! GO TO MY BOARDS HAHAHAHAHA! WWW.GOOGLEST.COM HAHAHAHAHAH! LOSERS YOU THINK YOU CAN BAN ME GESS AGAIN I AM ON A PROXIE HAHAHAHHAH! YOU CANT DO SHOT TO ME HAHAHAHAHAH! FUCKERS HAHAHAHA! WWW.GOOGLSET.COM WWW.GOOGLEST.COM WWW.GOOGLEST.COM WWW.GOOGLEST.COM WWW.GOOGLEST.COM |
| 22:44.45 | benjamindees | !ops iceking |
| 22:44.46 | iceking | HAHAHAHA YOU CANT SPAM ME SUCKERS!! YOU SUCK HAHAHAHA!! GO TO MY BOARDS HAHAHAHAHA! WWW.GOOGLEST.COM HAHAHAHAHAH! LOSERS YOU THINK YOU CAN BAN ME GESS AGAIN I AM ON A PROXIE HAHAHAHHAH! YOU CANT DO SHOT TO ME HAHAHAHAHAH! FUCKERS HAHAHAHA! WWW.GOOGLSET.COM WWW.GOOGLEST.COM WWW.GOOGLEST.COM WWW.GOOGLEST.COM WWW.GOOGLEST.COM |
| 22:44.46 | dpkg | Hydroxide, bob2, caphuso, dondelelcaro, doogie, eeyore-, ElectricElf, greycat, helix, ljlane, LoRez, mentor, Netsnipe, TML, walters, xk: iceking |
| 22:44.49 | iceking | HAHAHAHA YOU CANT SPAM ME SUCKERS!! YOU SUCK HAHAHAHA!! GO TO MY BOARDS HAHAHAHAHA! WWW.GOOGLEST.COM HAHAHAHAHAH! LOSERS YOU THINK YOU CAN BAN ME GESS AGAIN I AM ON A PROXIE HAHAHAHHAH! YOU CANT DO SHOT TO ME HAHAHAHAHAH! FUCKERS HAHAHAHA! WWW.GOOGLSET.COM WWW.GOOGLEST.COM WWW.GOOGLEST.COM WWW.GOOGLEST.COM WWW.GOOGLEST.COM |
| 22:44.51 | MASoft | !kick iceking |
| 22:44.52 | iceking | HAHAHAHA YOU CANT SPAM ME SUCKERS!! YOU SUCK HAHAHAHA!! GO TO MY BOARDS HAHAHAHAHA! WWW.GOOGLEST.COM HAHAHAHAHAH! LOSERS YOU THINK YOU CAN BAN ME GESS AGAIN I AM ON A PROXIE HAHAHAHHAH! YOU CANT DO SHOT TO ME HAHAHAHAHAH! FUCKERS HAHAHAHA! WWW.GOOGLSET.COM WWW.GOOGLEST.COM WWW.GOOGLEST.COM WWW.GOOGLEST.COM WWW.GOOGLEST.COM |
| 22:44.54 | verbose | iceking! |
| 22:44.56 | iceking | HAHAHAHA YOU CANT SPAM ME SUCKERS!! YOU SUCK HAHAHAHA!! GO TO MY BOARDS HAHAHAHAHA! WWW.GOOGLEST.COM HAHAHAHAHAH! LOSERS YOU THINK YOU CAN BAN ME GESS AGAIN I AM ON A PROXIE HAHAHAHHAH! YOU CANT DO SHOT TO ME HAHAHAHAHAH! FUCKERS HAHAHAHA! WWW.GOOGLSET.COM WWW.GOOGLEST.COM WWW.GOOGLEST.COM WWW.GOOGLEST.COM WWW.GOOGLEST.COM |
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| 22:44.58 | *** mode/#debian [+b *!*@211.43.199.160] by helix |
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| 22:44.59 | *** mode/#debian [-o helix] by helix |
| 22:45.04 | gravity | helix: Gracias |
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| 22:45.05 | gartt | :P |
| 22:45.14 | PerfDave | "requested by helix". That's alway struck me as odd. |
| 22:45.24 | streuner | tristezo21: is that a debian package? |
| 22:45.25 | cafuego | PerfDave: special freenode features |
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| 22:45.40 | tristezo21 | streuner: Mpd depends of many libs, but there´s no musepak or mpc lib |
| 22:45.42 | PerfDave | It's not really a request if you can't refuse it ;) |
| 22:45.50 | UdontKnow | hmmm |
| 22:45.54 | tristezo21 | yes... it´s the debian package |
| 22:46.07 | cafuego | PerfDave: You didn't know the mafia ran #debian? |
| 22:46.12 | streuner | tristezo21: musepak isn't in debian |
| 22:46.13 | tristezo21 | I thought it was debian compiled without musepack support... |
| 22:46.17 | streuner | tristezo21: musepack isn't in debian |
| 22:46.21 | tristezo21 | :-S |
| 22:46.25 | suifur | tristezo21: you have to get it from nerim.net |
| 22:46.32 | shingouz | cafuego: So that is just an offer that cannot be refused? ;) |
| 22:46.39 | cafuego | shingouz: pretty much |
| 22:46.39 | tristezo21 | oh! :D |
| 22:46.48 | tristezo21 | nermi.net ? same as vlc? |
| 22:46.58 | cafuego | helix is teh godfather! |
| 22:46.58 | tristezo21 | nerim, sorry |
| 22:47.01 | khorben_ | vlc is videolan.org |
| 22:47.02 | streuner | tristezo21: vlc is in debian |
| 22:47.08 | verbose | i have the cable modem plugged into eth0 |
| 22:47.14 | shingouz | helix: I do not have a horse ;) |
| 22:47.24 | helix | that's nice |
| 22:47.34 | verbose | it is acquiring network address |
| 22:47.40 | tristezo21 | khorben_: |
| 22:47.40 | tristezo21 | deb ftp://ftp.nerim.net/debian-marillat/ testing main |
| 22:47.41 | tristezo21 | is the repository for vlc too :) |
| 22:47.47 | tristezo21 | Ok, I´ll see into it. |
| 22:47.49 | verbose | motorola is not showing up yet... only the nic |
| 22:47.50 | tristezo21 | Thanks. |
| 22:47.55 | khorben_ | tristezo21: I doubt it |
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| 22:48.15 | streuner | tristezo21: so marillat has packaged musepack? |
| 22:48.15 | verbose | always takes forever |
| 22:48.19 | tristezo21 | khorben_: yes, it is, I´ve aptitude install vlc from there |
| 22:48.32 | streuner | heh |
| 22:48.42 | Eclipser | how boring, no updates for my sarge tonight :p |
| 22:48.46 | tristezo21 | strange, I have the marillat repository but there´s no musepack |
| 22:48.53 | verbose | i'm going to unplug from ac and power cycle... maybe that will work |
| 22:49.09 | verbose | peterS: davicom 9102 is in fact compatible |
| 22:49.11 | streuner | tristezo21: so go to musepack website and compile it for you own |
| 22:49.14 | Eclipser | tristezo21, I just compiled musepack myself :< |
| 22:49.17 | verbose | you confirmed this |
| 22:49.20 | peterS | verbose: yeah |
| 22:49.24 | RichiH | helix: it was klined, btw |
| 22:49.28 | benjamindees | how can I use bts to return a list of all the bugs given a list of package names? |
| 22:49.30 | helix | ok |
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| 22:50.05 | tristezo21 | Yes, I´ll do that... thanks :) |
| 22:50.37 | verbose | it says eth0 is using dhcp server |
| 22:50.46 | verbose | always takes forever to detect ip |
| 22:50.50 | verbose | both with usb and ethernet |
| 22:50.53 | peterS | verbose: but does it detect it eventually? |
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| 22:51.21 | verbose | i've tried it before and it usually bombs out |
| 22:51.24 | verbose | i think |
| 22:51.31 | verbose | especially when using the ethernet cable |
| 22:51.44 | asdfdito | <PROTECTED> |
| 22:52.29 | verbose | ah, seems to have got it |
| 22:52.31 | tristezo21 | khorben_: you´re right, I´ve installed mplayer from nerim :P |
| 22:52.40 | khorben_ | indeed |
| 22:52.42 | tristezo21 | I got confused.. |
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| 22:53.02 | verbose | but the icon is still present and says it is acquiring network address |
| 22:53.08 | verbose | but with ipconfig it shows up |
| 22:53.21 | verbose | no gateway address though |
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| 22:54.24 | verbose | i am unable to browse the internet either |
| 22:54.29 | verbose | using ethernet cable |
| 22:54.36 | verbose | maybe i have to reboot |
| 22:55.05 | verbose | maybe i have to find the usb driver |
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| 22:55.34 | asdfdito | <PROTECTED> |
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| 22:55.39 | tristezo21 | thanks everybody, byes |
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| 22:56.47 | asdfdito | <PROTECTED> |
| 22:56.59 | Rile | how would i see the file size of a directory and all of its contents in bytes? |
| 22:57.06 | smurp | if you've got dhcp working somethings wrong at the server-end ... does the server only hand-out ip-adresses to known MAC's? |
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| 22:57.30 | verbose | maybe i don't need a gateway address...? |
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| 22:58.02 | smurp | verbose: if you only want to network locally -> you don't ... |
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| 22:58.22 | verbose | i wonder why it doesn't show a gateway |
| 22:58.31 | websdale | verbose:are you using the same nic in the debian box as you used in the windows box? |
| 22:58.34 | verbose | let me try power-cycling usb |
| 22:58.38 | cinix | I am trying to use my digital camera, and when I plug it in I see in syslog that it's been detected and using libgphoto2 library. When I type lsusb though I do not see the device, and gphoto2 can't detect it. Is there more configuration I have to do then whatever the package does for me? |
| 22:58.39 | verbose | yes |
| 22:59.03 | cafuego | Is it a joyful partially-supported fordeth? |
| 22:59.03 | verbose | it is still trying to find the network address even though it shows up in ipconfig |
| 22:59.12 | verbose | there's no way it is going to finish |
| 22:59.19 | verbose | maybe if i reboot it will show up |
| 22:59.22 | verbose | eth0 |
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| 22:59.44 | websdale | verbose: why did you say eth0 is using dhcp server not client? |
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| 23:00.10 | verbose | when i have the modem plugged into eth0 it says it using dhcp sever |
| 23:00.14 | verbose | server* |
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| 23:00.41 | verbose | should it be using client? |
| 23:00.46 | smurp | verbose: you should use a dhcp-client |
| 23:01.03 | TwistedEmotions | if i have initrd <m>, do i need -initrd with make-kpkg |
| 23:01.14 | drac | cinix: Are you in camera group? |
| 23:01.25 | cafuego | TwistedEmotions: only if you want to actually USE initrd. |
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| 23:01.42 | verbose | i've gotten the ethernet cable to work in windows before |
| 23:01.49 | smurp | dhclient is cool ... but has a somewhat stringent configuration file |
| 23:01.51 | js_ | is there a way to trace/check the memory of a program i run? |
| 23:01.57 | DaCa | TwistedEmotions: if you build your custom kernel, you probably dont need an initrd |
| 23:02.02 | maher | js_: valgrind |
| 23:02.08 | verbose | ok, i've rebooted... let's see if it works now |
| 23:02.11 | cafuego | smurp: It doesn't actually need a config file normally. |
| 23:02.23 | js_ | maher: i havent got access to that, but i got gdb |
| 23:02.48 | carcrashnights | I just finished setting up a Sarge testing box. |
| 23:02.55 | carcrashnights | The debian-installer is truly a dream. |
| 23:03.14 | carcrashnights | The hardware detection was top-notch. |
| 23:03.14 | smurp | cafuego: yes ... but my isp does :-) |
| 23:03.19 | carcrashnights | I really feel spoiled. |
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| 23:04.21 | carcrashnights | I've never used GNOME before, but it seems really nice. |
| 23:04.25 | smurp | Is sarge really that good? :-) |
| 23:04.26 | verbose | ah got the gateway |
| 23:04.28 | verbose | yes! |
| 23:04.28 | carcrashnights | I would compare it to OX X. |
| 23:04.33 | carcrashnights | Sarge is really fantastic. |
| 23:04.42 | carcrashnights | I've used a lot of different systems and distros. |
| 23:05.10 | carcrashnights | I haven't tested it enought to give a strong opinion, but at this point, I can say that it was the easiest to set up. |
| 23:05.24 | intruz | what is the debian package of ncurses? |
| 23:05.45 | verbose | however, the ip address is dynamic |
| 23:05.47 | seldon | libncurses, probably |
| 23:05.50 | smurp | carcrashnight: I know ... I've got some production servers using sarge |
| 23:05.53 | seldon | libncurses5 |
| 23:05.54 | verbose | is this what dhcp skirts around |
| 23:05.54 | carcrashnights | aptitude made the simple apt-get/apt-cache system even simpler. |
| 23:05.55 | verbose | ? |
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| 23:06.01 | verbose | dynamic ip's |
| 23:06.09 | verbose | it is able to find the ip at that moment |
| 23:06.50 | smurp | verbose: that's what the dynamic host configuration protocol does ... |
| 23:06.58 | smurp | verbose; :-) |
| 23:07.01 | doub | carcrashnights: except maybe for searching |
| 23:07.24 | doub | carcrashnights: it's more powerful with aptitude, but a lot less simple |
| 23:08.12 | seldon | I like synaptic. It has a cool name... ;P |
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| 23:08.15 | carcrashnights | I'm a convert from Gentoo Linux... The quality of the deb packages makes me think that the compiling options and such really shouldn't be used by people (like me) who don't know what they are doing or don't have extraordinary needs. |
| 23:08.27 | BrettMeister | Boy am I having a tough time with my xserver configuration. I have an hp pavilion monitor and I think that I'm just not picking the right driver in the config dialogue. Ideas? |
| 23:08.29 | verbose | oh, i wasn't sure what the acronymn stood for.. should have been obvious |
| 23:08.36 | verbose | dhcp just doesn't work though |
| 23:08.39 | verbose | i'll have to try again |
| 23:08.52 | carcrashnights | BrettMeister: It's your video card that the driver is for. |
| 23:08.57 | intruz | <PROTECTED> |
| 23:08.58 | verbose | my nic is definitely supported... http://www.tldp.org/HOWTO/Ethernet-HOWTO-4.html#ss4.15 |
| 23:09.07 | verbose | dmfe |
| 23:09.10 | maher | verbose: what are you trying to do? |
| 23:09.15 | intruz | make menuconfig told me that |
| 23:09.17 | PerfDave | BrettMeister: Uhm, you shouldn't need a driver for your monitor. What are you having trouble with? |
| 23:09.21 | seldon | intruz: libncurses5-dev,then |
| 23:09.25 | intruz | ok |
| 23:09.39 | suifur | carcrashnights: Gentoo is for two kinds of people. Those who don't know what the fuck they're doing and think its 'l33t' to compile everything or, for those who run servers (like me) and want a source built distro without the stress of doing LFS. The gentoo devs do a good job but the gentoo user community is just a bunch of fuckoffs. |
| 23:09.52 | BrettMeister | PerfDave: Just trying to get gdm to give me a login screen. Cycles twice and then the problems dialogue comes up. |
| 23:09.54 | verbose | not as though i didn't believe peterS |
| 23:09.56 | verbose | :) |
| 23:10.00 | PerfDave | BrettMeister: "problems dialogue"? |
| 23:10.18 | keenan | BrettMeister: you have intel onboard video? |
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| 23:10.26 | verbose | what about the dynamic name server? |
| 23:10.29 | tesfet | how can I see what process is binding to a port? |
| 23:10.32 | verbose | i don't need this, do i? |
| 23:10.40 | carcrashnights | suifur: Yeah, even though I'm a sysadmin, I would include myself in the fuckoffs using it. |
| 23:10.41 | doub | suifur: i still fail to see in what respect a source build distro is any better, server or not |
| 23:10.44 | maher | tesfet: netstat -pant |
| 23:10.51 | smurp | suifer: yes maybe I don't want to wait all night for a compile to finnish :-) |
| 23:10.57 | smurp | finish |
| 23:11.00 | BrettMeister | At the Hp site it says that my video card is integrated into the chipset. |
| 23:11.02 | verbose | dhcp should work |
| 23:11.06 | carcrashnights | A source built distro is good if you have an uncommon architecture. |
| 23:11.09 | maher | verbose: what are you trying to do? |
| 23:11.24 | carcrashnights | Or perhaps if you only have a very few select packages. |
| 23:11.25 | verbose | Brett: this is the same case with my hppavilion 6746c |
| 23:11.26 | suifur | doub: Meh, I don't argue for it, but what I actually do is benchmark against my debian and RHEL servers. I like to see what kinda performance gains there or losses in some cases |
| 23:11.32 | keenan | BrettMeister: yes, you probably have an Intel 845 or something like that |
| 23:11.33 | verbose | intel integrated gfx card |
| 23:11.47 | tesfet | maher, how the crap can "df" be listening on 80? |
| 23:11.49 | verbose | do you have an hp pavilion? |
| 23:11.55 | challenged | BrettMeister: what cpu you run on it? |
| 23:11.58 | suifur | doub: I can't argue that it would be better than a vanilla debian install, just that I use it to benchmark, and carcrashnights makes a point that with odd hardware, Gentoo can be handy. |
| 23:12.16 | BrettMeister | Ok. Thanks for helping. Which of these drivers do I chose? |
| 23:12.19 | verbose | so, there's really no advantage to using sarge-1 over netinst |
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| 23:12.31 | maher | tesfet: your box is rooted? |
| 23:12.51 | PerfDave | verbose: /msg dpkg full cd advocacy |
| 23:12.52 | BrettMeister | verbose: What driver did you chose in the xserver setup? |
| 23:12.53 | smurp | verbose: you can install sarge with netinst ... |
| 23:12.55 | tesfet | maher, doubt it |
| 23:12.59 | verbose | i am able to connect to the internet |
| 23:13.05 | verbose | xserver? |
| 23:13.14 | verbose | with ethernet cable now |
| 23:13.23 | doub | suifur: i would tend to prefer BSDs when we're about uncommon situations and source built stuff. there isn't the "bunch of fuckoffs" problem there |
| 23:13.25 | maher | tesfet: if you paste netstat -pant in #flood I'll see it... |
| 23:13.35 | doub | suifur: much the contrary, in fact |
| 23:13.56 | tesfet | maher, I killed df now, it was tcp6, I dotn even use ipv6 |
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| 23:14.24 | BrettMeister | Anyone know what a bus identifier is? |
| 23:14.26 | smurp | douv+seifur: how do you mean fuckoffs? do they too much like what they're doing? |
| 23:14.27 | verbose | i don't know why dhcp doesn't work when installing |
| 23:14.40 | suifur | doub: true, I do use that too for certain things |
| 23:14.46 | keenan | BrettMeister: don't worry about the bus identifier, it'll find it automatically |
| 23:14.55 | maher | tesfet: df tells you how much disk space you have left... |
| 23:14.57 | BrettMeister | keenan: Okay. |
| 23:14.58 | suifur | doub: I like BSD's for my firewall/routers |
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| 23:15.00 | keenan | BrettMeister: the name for the driver is I810 i think |
| 23:15.02 | tesfet | maher, I know, it might be stuck on a nfs share |
| 23:15.08 | tesfet | maher, but listening on 80? |
| 23:15.11 | maher | tesfet: on port 80? |
| 23:15.14 | tesfet | maher, I should chkrootkit |
| 23:15.22 | maher | tesfet: would do no harm |
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| 23:15.48 | keenan | BrettMeister: but if you have persistent problems I suggest going with Ubuntu; the Xorg driver is much more stable |
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| 23:16.11 | loren | anyone know what % wine is to completion? |
| 23:16.21 | doub | smurp: i don't know about the others, but the religious side is quite boring. may they like what they do, i'm happy for them. but not when it comes to be rational about the very thing they do |
| 23:16.29 | gravity | loren: asymptotically close to finishing |
| 23:16.44 | BrettMeister | keenan: Boy...I just had a bad go around with Kubuntu and ubuntu |
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| 23:16.53 | BrettMeister | Anything I could do here? |
| 23:16.53 | loren | gravity: rofl, haha nice |
| 23:16.54 | tesfet | maher, If I run df -h it gets stuck anyways |
| 23:16.56 | Nelyot | i am sorry to ask such a question but i have a little problem with openoffice 2(beta version) |
| 23:17.24 | maher | tesfet: that's probably not a good sign |
| 23:17.25 | Nelyot | i would like to set it up on my debian but it is only rpm |
| 23:17.34 | BrettMeister | keenan: Both of those have too many broken parts. If I want turn-key I'll go with MEPIS. |
| 23:17.36 | asdfdito | /X |
| 23:17.38 | asdfdito | <PROTECTED> |
| 23:17.40 | asdfdito | /X |
| 23:17.44 | maher | Nelyot: try alien |
| 23:17.46 | Nelyot | i used alien but the problem come when |
| 23:18.03 | Nelyot | i try to set up french pack |
| 23:18.19 | Nelyot | which is a .sh file with rpm in between |
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| 23:18.26 | smurp | doub: that's what I like about debian ... it gets the job done ... but if I like to thinker I just might install gentoo |
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| 23:18.34 | keenan | BrettMeister: what specifically went wrong with Ubuntu? |
| 23:19.13 | BrettMeister | keenan: Sound instabilities. XMMS would break sometimes and stall out the entire system. |
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| 23:19.53 | tesfet | maher, Is there a way to umount a nfs share that is not responding? |
| 23:19.54 | verbose | i'm looking at http://www.ibiblio.org/pub/Linux/docs/HOWTO/DHCP right now but this written back in 2000 |
| 23:19.55 | doub | smurp: BSDs are much better in that respect, at least to me. gentoo seems like a dumb copy of the BSD logic within linux |
| 23:20.08 | genix_ | Should I use awk or sed to replace multiple lines in a file? |
| 23:20.18 | verbose | it is talking about DHCPcd and the debian mirror it links no longer exists so i doubt this is what i want |
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| 23:20.31 | maher | tesfet: umoun t-f |
| 23:20.33 | BrettMeister | Okay...how about this. Can I uninstall xfree86 and reinstall it or fix it from the command line? |
| 23:20.38 | verbose | dhcp should work |
| 23:20.40 | verbose | going to try again |
| 23:20.50 | tesfet | maher, t-f ? |
| 23:20.53 | js_ | BrettMeister: do you want dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xfree86? |
| 23:20.55 | maher | tesfet: umount -f |
| 23:21.18 | BrettMeister | js_: That's just not working. Have done that about 5 times now. |
| 23:21.22 | maher | BrettMeister: what's wrong |
| 23:21.33 | js_ | BrettMeister: read the comment in the XF86Config file |
| 23:21.39 | mwilson | bloody stupid emacs... |
| 23:21.42 | mwilson | I hate emacs |
| 23:21.42 | js_ | unless you removed that |
| 23:21.59 | tesfet | maher, there, now df works fine |
| 23:22.02 | verbose | mwilson: why? |
| 23:22.14 | mwilson | verbose: Too many parenthesis |
| 23:22.20 | doub | smurp: to be a little more precise, most gentoo users appear to me as what we call here "jackies" when it comes to cars, that is people only interrested in tuning for the only sake of tuning, without external goal. and a religious attachment to the church, refusing any other point of view, especially rational ones |
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| 23:22.35 | maher | tesfet: maybe just nfs issues - even so port 80 is odd - i don't know why that would be |
| 23:22.54 | verbose | mwilson: you like vi? |
| 23:23.00 | mwilson | verbose: <shrug> |
| 23:23.07 | verbose | i used emacs a little bit but have never used vi |
| 23:23.14 | verbose | i'm kind of a newbie |
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| 23:23.22 | gratuit | mwilson: lisp: Lots of Insidious stupid parenthesis |
| 23:23.24 | tesfet | maher, also, why are my services binding to ::ffff:192.168.1.110:22, ipv6? |
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| 23:23.32 | Nelyot | what should i try to open a .sh file so as to convert .rpm in .deb (with alien)? |
| 23:23.37 | mwilson | verbose: It's easier to get it to do what I want to do... emacs you have to have an advanced degree in obscure to get it to do anything other than the default. |
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| 23:23.47 | doub | mwilson: isn't parenthesis a LISP problem rather than an emacs problem ? |
| 23:23.51 | maher | tesfet: beacuse things are listening on the ipv6 interfaces by default? |
| 23:24.02 | gratuit | doub: the conf file is in eLisp |
| 23:24.07 | smurp | doub: sometimes I too have that urge too make things better than better ... cleaner than clean ... but I got other things to do :-) ... usually a collague mounts my feet to the floor |
| 23:24.08 | verbose | ah, i'll probably try vi if i can ever get debian to work |
| 23:24.08 | mwilson | doub: It's an emacs problem once you want to start getting into doing what you want with it. |
| 23:24.10 | verbose | argh |
| 23:24.11 | doub | mwilson: i've been using emacs for more than 5 years without touching at LISP |
| 23:24.13 | verbose | have you used joe? |
| 23:24.33 | doub | mwilson: except maybe for the .emacs file, but that's very limited. i won't call it lisp programming |
| 23:24.36 | verbose | i haven't but i've been reading the linux cookbook |
| 23:25.00 | mwilson | doub: Neither would I. |
| 23:25.05 | verbose | is sata_sil the controller or the hd? |
| 23:25.18 | smurp | verbose: keep it up! ... :-) |
| 23:25.20 | verbose | because i always have to deselect it since it will always crash |
| 23:25.21 | mwilson | <sigh> Now I've managed to break syntax highlighting somewhere. |
| 23:25.26 | verbose | smurp: thanks |
| 23:25.28 | verbose | i will |
| 23:25.33 | verbose | i really want to use debian |
| 23:25.42 | gartt | I've got proftpd installed and running, and I can ftp in, but I can't write. Everything in proftpd's conf file is identical to the proftpd.conf file on the box downstairs that did allow writing |
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| 23:25.56 | verbose | what about pcmcia setup? |
| 23:26.09 | verbose | do i have to do anything with this because it says it is not necessary |
| 23:26.14 | verbose | i've never messed around with it |
| 23:26.20 | gartt | So I'm thinking it's gotta be a permissions thing, but even when I changed /home/ftp to normaluser ownership, I still couldn't write to it via an ftp client |
| 23:27.04 | verbose | after the pcmcia setup i always get a long long of unloaded modules |
| 23:27.08 | verbose | one of them is my nic |
| 23:27.12 | Nelyot | I have resolved my problem thank you! |
| 23:27.13 | smurp | verbose: is your interface up? |
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| 23:27.46 | doub | smurp: so do i. but there's a difference between willing to do something, and not doing it. especially when you see it won't stand in front of reality |
| 23:27.48 | verbose | however, later on it shows up and it says proceeding with the install may make these moduels available later |
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| 23:28.04 | doub | smurp: s/not// |
| 23:28.14 | smurp | verbose: e.g. do you see it when you type ifconfig? |
| 23:28.37 | verbose | i'm going to try that after i install the base system kernel 2.4.xx |
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| 23:29.19 | smurp | doub: like my brother always looking for a better C :-) |
| 23:29.36 | verbose | when i atempt to detect network hardware, both dmfe (davicom 9102) and sata_sil show up |
| 23:29.37 | qubit | I'm setting up a desktop system and am re-running xf86config to get 1024x768 resolution. It's asking for how much RAM is on the graphics card, but I'm having problems locating a part # on the card. |
| 23:29.48 | verbose | i must know once and for all what sata_sil is |
| 23:30.00 | doub | smurp: tell him about perl then ;) |
| 23:30.02 | verbose | why is it related to the network? |
| 23:30.15 | qubit | It's an ATI Radeon and has "pn - 109 76800" on the bottom, but that doesn't seem to be the model number. |
| 23:30.26 | challenged | qubit: what do you know about your videocard so far?...chipsets etc? |
| 23:30.28 | maher | verbose: its not |
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| 23:30.38 | mwilson | Why would you be running xf86config in the first place? |
| 23:30.44 | verbose | sata_sil is not related to the network, correct? |
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| 23:30.54 | verbose | isn't it the sata controller? |
| 23:30.56 | challenged | verbose: correct thats an ide driver |
| 23:31.05 | verbose | ah |
| 23:31.12 | challenged | verbose: for you ata raid controller |
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| 23:31.14 | verbose | my hd is a wd800jd |
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| 23:31.22 | verbose | amd it never seems to work |
| 23:31.27 | verbose | however, i am able to partition my hd |
| 23:31.30 | verbose | so it must be working |
| 23:31.40 | verbose | i have an ata and sata hd |
| 23:31.56 | verbose | my sata controller is a koutech psa150 |
| 23:32.04 | qubit | challenged: nothing, really. I just got it from a friend and was trying to throw it in this system. |
| 23:32.09 | verbose | my computer is really old so i had to buy a sata controller |
| 23:32.10 | asdfdito | / |
| 23:32.13 | doub | smurp: Larry Wall is a good example of someone who manages to deal with his will to change the world. i'd be glad to know how he copes |
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| 23:32.17 | verbose | on the box it says it is compatible with linux |
| 23:32.23 | challenged | qubit hmm kk ill see what i can find from the part nomber |
| 23:32.32 | verbose | i can't find much about it by searching google |
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| 23:32.51 | verbose | whatever is going on... it seems to work |
| 23:32.51 | maher | verbose: what is your problem |
| 23:33.06 | challenged | at a guess id say set it up for 32 MB......i dont think any radeos cameout with less |
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| 23:33.18 | smurp | doub: I got some troubles seeing the world really like it is ... but the pressure of a deadline usually helps :-) |
| 23:33.31 | verbose | dmfe seems to have been detected... it is removed from the list of unloaded modules |
| 23:33.44 | qubit | mwilson: in Gnome, the display resolutions possible are 800x600 and lower, so... that's the best way to reconfigure the monitor/graphics card, eh? |
| 23:33.50 | verbose | trying dhcp again |
| 23:34.00 | verbose | it worked! i cannot believe it |
| 23:34.05 | qubit | challenged: okay, I'll try 32. Is there anywhere else on the card I should look for #s? |
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| 23:34.08 | smurp | verbose: yeah man ... what's your problem :-) ... work your way up (or down) the network stack ... you know :-) |
| 23:34.11 | verbose | it FINALLY worked |
| 23:34.25 | verbose | after all this time it worked |
| 23:34.29 | verbose | sorry for the elatedness |
| 23:34.31 | verbose | ;) |
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| 23:35.20 | verbose | i wish i didn't have to assign mount points everytime i try to install though |
| 23:35.25 | verbose | oh well, it's a small price to pay |
| 23:35.55 | verbose | my sata hd shows up as ide5 |
| 23:36.26 | verbose | shouldn't it be something like 'sda1' or sca |
| 23:36.29 | smurp | verbose: sometimes toubles persist for weeks ... people keep calling you while you're watching the Bold and the Beautifull ... (me being a admninistratoyr) ... excuse me drank too muych schulten brau |
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| 23:36.47 | verbose | haha |
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| 23:37.00 | verbose | however, i have all partitions set up on the drive so... |
| 23:37.34 | qubit | challenged: oh, found another number 6001675. |
| 23:37.39 | verbose | am i able to resize the parts using debian-installer? |
| 23:37.48 | qubit | challenged: that seems to correspond to a 32MB radeon.. |
| 23:37.52 | verbose | because i have an extra 7.5gb of free space at the end |
| 23:38.02 | verbose | not a big deal though really |
| 23:38.44 | verbose | i'm definitely making some more headway now |
| 23:39.29 | drac | qubit: You need 'radeon' and 'drm' loaded in kernel, driver "radeon" setupped in XF86Config-4, with correct BusID "PCI..." that you see in 'lspci -X | grep -i vga'. |
| 23:39.32 | smurp | verbose: all things that take 1 hour now take 3 minutes one year from now ... |
| 23:39.43 | drac | qubit: Memory gets autodetected. |
| 23:40.05 | smurp | I'm the mral officer of this channel |
| 23:40.09 | mwilson | grrr |
| 23:40.12 | smurp | moral |
| 23:40.33 | verbose | smurp: yes, that's probably true |
| 23:40.36 | verbose | or, will be true |
| 23:40.49 | verbose | brb |
| 23:41.13 | smurp | verbose: all things done once are simple |
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| 23:43.04 | asdfdito | /X |
| 23:43.08 | verbose | smurp: that's true |
| 23:43.34 | verbose | i'm thinking i may actually get this to work finally |
| 23:43.44 | verbose | dhcp configuration success is very encouraging |
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| 23:44.43 | smurp | MobyTurbo: trading one or more generality to a peace of mind won't hurt ... still drinking beer |
| 23:45.19 | asdfdito | hola |
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| 23:47.00 | drac | asdfdito: Get a life. |
| 23:48.23 | vezult | asdfdito: looks like you want to be on the #test channel |
| 23:49.44 | challenged | qubit: yeah that looks like a 32mb card anyways from what i found quickly |
| 23:49.59 | TwistedEmotions | how do i allow regular users for vsftpd? |
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| 23:51.51 | verbose | i hope i'm able to execute modprobe tulip this time |
| 23:51.56 | verbose | hopefully root is rw |
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| 23:52.13 | loren | <PROTECTED> |
| 23:52.32 | verbose | what should i do with keymaps |
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| 23:52.38 | verbose | i've left them alone in the past |
| 23:52.39 | gartt | No matter what ftpd server I use, proftpd/vsftpd, I'll specify the right options, mess with the permissions/ownership for /home/ftp, edit /etc/ftpusers, etc and no matter what I do, I can't write to my ftp dir from an ftp client |
| 23:52.43 | gartt | :s |
| 23:53.13 | dfzi | chmod? :Z |
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| 23:53.24 | gartt | My proftpd conf was taken directly from the comp downstairs on which proftpd worked and allowed clients to write as well as read |
| 23:53.29 | verbose | probably qwerty - us - standard - standard |
| 23:53.31 | Esotericisms | how do I change my status from stable to unstable or testing for apt-get? |
| 23:53.35 | gartt | And the permissions look the same everywhere |
| 23:53.37 | verbose | but i shouldn't have to do anything with it |
| 23:53.43 | dfzi | vsftpd is considered to be better than proftpd |
| 23:53.52 | dfzi | and so do i myself |
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| 23:54.18 | PerfDave | Esotericisms: /msg dpkg woody->sarge |
| 23:54.19 | dfzi | (i had a nasty delay on login with proftpd, but after changing to vsftpd it runs smooth as ever) |
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| 23:54.23 | PerfDave | Esotericisms: /msg dpkg sid faq |
| 23:54.23 | gartt | I know, and vsftpd runs fine, but still doesn't allow writing to /home/ftp from a client, even though I'm 100% certain the conf file for it is correct |
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| 23:54.32 | smurp | what? |
| 23:54.42 | gartt | Root should own /home/ftp, right? drwxr-xr-x 3 root root 72 2005-04-12 18:27 ftp |
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| 23:54.57 | dfzi | you're mirring write-rights :) |
| 23:55.02 | verbose | should i have to mess around with keymaps? |
| 23:55.09 | gartt | dfzi: I don't understand? |
| 23:55.28 | dfzi | try this (on root, or with user ftp) -> chmod -Rv 770 /home/ftp |
| 23:55.31 | verbose | i'm looking at the sarge installation manual and it says i should select the layout i want |
| 23:55.42 | dfzi | user ftp (logged in as ftp :P) |
| 23:55.56 | dfzi | or have you got user called ftp, or have you just maken a dir called /home/ftp? |
| 23:56.03 | smurp | verbose: if your english, american or dutch just select the default |
| 23:56.30 | gartt | hmm, did that, started ftpd, and still from an ftp client I can't write |
| 23:56.36 | verbose | oh... i selected qwerty - american - standard- standard |
| 23:56.37 | smurp | verbose: omly if you've got a language whith weird symbols and punctuation |
| 23:56.39 | verbose | that should work |
| 23:56.44 | gartt | I'm absolutely certain my conf file is correct for vsftpd |
| 23:56.50 | dfzi | gartt, with what account did you login to your ftp? |
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| 23:57.04 | ej_ | can someone help me with installing wmxkb? |
| 23:57.06 | smurp | weid what's weird |
| 23:57.08 | gartt | dfzi: From a normaluser acct on another bosx |
| 23:57.12 | verbose | supposedly i can use kbdconfig later on if i want to change it |
| 23:57.12 | TwistedEmotions | i cant seem to get a regular user to login via vsftpd )= |
| 23:57.18 | dfzi | gartt, ye.. but what's your normal users name? |
| 23:57.23 | verbose | i can't edit it now |
| 23:57.25 | gartt | dfzi: gart |
| 23:57.31 | *** join/#debian bisy (~si@cpc3-cmbg5-3-0-cust132.cmbg.cable.ntl.com) |
| 23:57.42 | gartt | But it should be anon, so it shouldn't matter, righ/ |
| 23:57.45 | gartt | t? |
| 23:57.50 | dfzi | gartt, then do this: su - && chmod -Rv 777 /home/ftp |
| 23:58.02 | *** mode/#debian [+l 773] by debhelper |
| 23:58.17 | dfzi | wait.. use 707 :D |
| 23:58.31 | gartt | OOPS: vsftpd: refusing to run with writable anonymous root |
| 23:58.34 | gartt | k |
| 23:58.35 | dfzi | or whatever, shouldn't really matter :P |
| 23:58.53 | dfzi | become root with 'su -' |
| 23:58.59 | dfzi | then chmod -Rv 777 /home/ftp |
| 23:59.03 | ej_ | is someone here good with configuring languages and stuff? |
| 23:59.21 | *** join/#debian qubit (~chatzilla@MUSTARD.Kiewit.Dartmouth.EDU) |
| 23:59.37 | verbose | i'm able to install packages from the cd |
| 23:59.41 | *** join/#debian asdfdito (~fgb@OL190-197.fibertel.com.ar) |
| 23:59.49 | verbose | should i add anything else to apt-get sources.lst |
| 23:59.49 | verbose | ? |
