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| 00:00.26 | spoopin | abrotman: Can't tell you. I would reveal too much about what an old washed up metal-head dork I am ;) |
| 00:00.35 | cafuego | Faithful: Churn to Internode. They're far better, cheaper and nicer :-) |
| 00:00.42 | abrotman | spoopin: skid row!?!?!? |
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| 00:01.06 | spoopin | abrotman: ummmm. no. I do have some self respect. Judas Priest. |
| 00:01.11 | abrotman | i was just going to say that |
| 00:01.15 | Faithful | I would do Adam in Adelaide |
| 00:01.26 | FieldySnuts | er |
| 00:01.26 | cafuego | Faithful: bigpond often make such decisions without notifying the call center. Calling them abouth anything at all is a massive waste of time. |
| 00:01.34 | cafuego | Faithful: You in adelaide? |
| 00:01.45 | cafuego | Faithful: node have adsl2+ there! (24m/sec) |
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| 00:01.52 | chilly | hya all |
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| 00:02.44 | spoopin | abrotman: they're playing at some outdoor arena-thing in June. |
| 00:02.52 | karsten | FieldySnuts: comfort Phated, she missed you. |
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| 00:03.13 | Phated | You brought her up, not I. |
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| 00:03.21 | abrotman | spoopin: really |
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| 00:03.46 | karsten | Phated: I believe you misspelled 'cocks a pistol' |
| 00:03.52 | abrotman | spoopin: which show? .. there are three |
| 00:03.56 | cafuego | Faithful: Last time I was on the phone to them they told me I didn't have cable, because they don't service that area. That was with the damn cable modem sitting next to me, blinking and plugged in. I nearly asked them to refund the 3 years worth of fees ;-) |
| 00:03.57 | abrotman | and none are really near philly |
| 00:04.17 | chealer | cafuego: hahaha |
| 00:04.20 | chilly | balls |
| 00:04.20 | spoopin | abrotman: I think it's June 18th? ... just a second.. |
| 00:04.23 | chealer | I love my ISP |
| 00:04.46 | Phated | karsten: No, silly, I would never resort to guns, how terribly inelegant. |
| 00:04.46 | madclicker | which init process is starting the X window? |
| 00:04.46 | abrotman | spoopin: oh camden |
| 00:04.46 | chilly | balls |
| 00:04.47 | cafuego | chealer: I do too now. Their IVR has an "All your base" sample <heh> |
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| 00:05.00 | FieldySnuts | :( |
| 00:05.07 | spoopin | abrotman: yeah. Tweeter Waterfront |
| 00:05.07 | karsten | Phated: Fieldy's a she? |
| 00:05.12 | cafuego | Phated: Please, think of the carpet! |
| 00:05.17 | Phated | karsten: Wot? |
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| 00:05.22 | abrotman | spoopin: good deal .. sorry i'm not a super judas fan .. or i'd go :) |
| 00:05.25 | clusty | is there such a thing as a plugin for openoffice to be able to write equation in a latex way? |
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| 00:05.30 | Phated | cafuego: It's not mine. |
| 00:05.40 | karsten | Phated: 17:03 < Phated> You brought her up, not I. |
| 00:05.50 | chealer | cafuego: I don't understand, that's a song? |
| 00:05.54 | FieldySnuts | damn font errors brb |
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| 00:06.26 | spoopin | abrotman: It's vestigial from my younger years. I can't overpower it. |
| 00:06.32 | FieldySnuts | @annoy mIRC |
| 00:06.34 | ravenbird | mIRC: PLZ!!!!! ANSWER!!!! PLZ!!!!! |
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| 00:07.36 | madclicker | does anyone know which init process is starting the X window? |
| 00:07.56 | FieldySnuts | usually there's only one init process. if you have more, you have major problems |
| 00:08.16 | spoopin | madclicker: xdm, perhaps? |
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| 00:08.32 | redtech | peace all |
| 00:08.35 | mamolo_EL | what is better for a tcp-ip server , a big endian or littleendian cpu architecture? |
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| 00:08.46 | karsten | mamolo_EL: mu |
| 00:08.53 | madclicker | spoopin: how do i prevent X from starting at boot? |
| 00:08.53 | chealer | clusty: I don't think, but there's a #debian-oo plus a #openoffice.org |
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| 00:09.14 | mamolo_EL | karsten, mu? |
| 00:09.26 | bbrazil | mamolo_EL: for RPC(NFS/NIS) stuff whatever Sparc is, other than that I dunno |
| 00:09.26 | karsten | !mu |
| 00:09.27 | dpkg | When asked by a monk if a dog had Buddha Nature, Joshu said "Mu." |
| 00:09.40 | spoopin | madclicker: if it's xdm that's starting it, you could remove that package |
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| 00:10.09 | madclicker | spoopin: i dont have xdm in /etc/init.d folder |
| 00:10.15 | karsten | !tell madclicker about xdm |
| 00:10.24 | karsten | madclicker: [gkwx]dm |
| 00:10.33 | karsten | madclicker: ...or ls /etc/init.d/*dm |
| 00:10.50 | deejoe | so, if I have a complete system with services etc in a chroot environment, and am running no conflicting services in the parent environment, is there [any|a good] way to emulate a 'telinit 2' or somesuch to bring up all services in the chroot, and if so, what? |
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| 00:11.00 | madclicker | karsten: thx |
| 00:11.28 | karsten | Back to my "I can't reach these hosts" issue, 'nmap -sS -p 80 -P0 www.ms.washington.edu www.linuxforums.org www.faqs.org www.internetpulse.net www.nomachine.com' shows all in "80/tcp filtered http" |
| 00:12.07 | Delph | karsten: did your ISP start up a proxy server for http ? |
| 00:12.43 | karsten | Delph: Not AFAIC. Some sites work, some don't. |
| 00:12.54 | Delph | very strange. |
| 00:12.55 | shingouz | To get Japanese websites to display correctly with Moz, xfonts-intl-japanese? |
| 00:13.03 | Delph | karsten: and you can get other traffic to those sites? |
| 00:13.13 | Delph | eg, there's not a random routing issue with half the internet? |
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| 00:13.26 | karsten | Delph: I can resolve them, haven't tried arbitrary traffic... |
| 00:13.34 | shingouz | karsten: Try with -sT isntead of -sS |
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| 00:13.47 | karsten | shingouz: OK. |
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| 00:13.52 | Delph | resolving them will be done to your ISPs DNS servers, which will most likely have cached those hostnames. |
| 00:13.57 | karsten | shingouz: What's 'T'? |
| 00:14.02 | shingouz | TCP |
| 00:14.11 | tracer | How can you tell what vars your kernel was compiled with? |
| 00:14.23 | abrotman | spoopin: understandable |
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| 00:15.03 | abrotman | tracer: /boot/config- |
| 00:15.06 | spoopin | abrotman: I've been trying to convince asg to go, but I don't think he will without some serious prodding |
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| 00:15.20 | karsten | shingouz: Filtered. |
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| 00:15.26 | karsten | shingouz: 80/tcp filtered http |
| 00:15.33 | generick | @ops [G][N][A][A] LOL HY, ARE YOU GAY? ARE YOU A NIGGER? ARE YOU A *GAY NIGGER*? THEN THE GNAA WANTS YOU! VISIT HTTP://GNAA.US/ FOR MORE INFORMATION [G][N][A][A] |
| 00:15.34 | generick | !ops [G][N][A][A] LOL HY, ARE YOU GAY? ARE YOU A NIGGER? ARE YOU A *GAY NIGGER*? THEN THE GNAA WANTS YOU! VISIT HTTP://GNAA.US/ FOR MORE INFORMATION [G][N][A][A] |
| 00:15.34 | generick | ~ops [G][N][A][A] LOL HY, ARE YOU GAY? ARE YOU A NIGGER? ARE YOU A *GAY NIGGER*? THEN THE GNAA WANTS YOU! VISIT HTTP://GNAA.US/ FOR MORE INFORMATION [G][N][A][A] |
| 00:15.35 | apt | generick: okay |
| 00:15.35 | abrotman | spoopin: maybe if he goes .. i'll go .. but it would be interesting .. apparently i'm slightly younger than you |
| 00:15.35 | ravenbird | Hydroxide, bob2, caphuso, dondelelcaro, doogie, eeyore-, ElectricElf, greycat, helix, ljlane, LoRez, mentor, Netsnipe, TML, walters, xk: [G][N][A][A] LOL HY, ARE YOU GAY? ARE YOU A NIGGER? ARE YOU A *GAY NIGGER*? THEN THE GNAA WANTS YOU! VISIT HTTP://GNAA.US/ FOR MORE INFORMATION [G][N][A][A] |
| 00:15.35 | dpkg | Hydroxide, bob2, caphuso, dondelelcaro, doogie, eeyore-, ElectricElf, greycat, helix, ljlane, LoRez, mentor, Netsnipe, TML, walters, xk: [G][N][A][A] LOL HY, ARE YOU GAY? ARE YOU A NIGGER? ARE YOU A *GAY NIGGER*? THEN THE GNAA WANTS YOU! VISIT HTTP://GNAA.US/ FOR MORE INFORMATION [G][N][A][A] |
| 00:15.38 | karsten | shingouz: $ sudo nmap -sT -p 80 -P0 www.ms.washington.edu www.linuxforums.org www.faqs.org www.internetpulse.net www.nomachine.com |
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| 00:15.39 | *** mode/#debian [+o ElectricElf] by ChanServ |
| 00:15.44 | superfish | hi i r noob |
| 00:15.44 | chealer | fuck |
| 00:15.44 | *** mode/#debian [+b *!*@202.162.57.17] by ElectricElf |
| 00:15.45 | shingouz | karsten: And you cannot connect at all to it then? |
| 00:15.46 | *** kick/#debian [generick!~david@0a5a78bb0a5539b5.node.tor] by ElectricElf (ElectricElf) |
| 00:15.47 | *** mode/#debian [-o ElectricElf] by ChanServ |
| 00:15.57 | superfish | what is the command to start xwindows? i thought it was startX |
| 00:15.59 | karsten | shingouz: Suggestions for test? |
| 00:16.00 | shingouz | Where the hell do those assholes come from :( |
| 00:16.04 | shingouz | startx |
| 00:16.04 | drac | superfish: startx |
| 00:16.06 | karsten | superfish: 'startx' |
| 00:16.06 | abrotman | shingouz: kawfee |
| 00:16.06 | cureless | Super_Cat_Frog: startx |
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| 00:16.11 | superfish | i did that |
| 00:16.19 | superfish | um... |
| 00:16.20 | chealer | at least they're clever enough to be banned quickly |
| 00:16.25 | shingouz | superfish: startx not startX |
| 00:16.26 | toresbe | wheeeeee |
| 00:16.27 | drac | superfish: apt-get install x-window-system-core.. startx.. :P |
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| 00:16.35 | superfish | command not found |
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| 00:16.44 | abrotman | chealer: because they call ops on themselvves |
| 00:16.48 | tracer | aprotman: thank |
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| 00:16.53 | FieldySnuts | that is pretty dumb |
| 00:16.53 | tracer | aprotman: *thanks |
| 00:17.03 | shingouz | karsten: Lemmesee if I can connect to them. Give me one or two of the urls you have problems witn |
| 00:17.09 | Phated | Suicide-spammer? |
| 00:17.14 | FieldySnuts | always |
| 00:17.33 | karsten | shingouz: /lsatlog nmap |
| 00:17.33 | spoopin | abrotman: Help me talk him into it when you see him on. |
| 00:17.34 | abrotman | well .. there's a new variation on my nick |
| 00:17.35 | shingouz | !nicktab tracer |
| 00:18.19 | shingouz | karsten: Huh? |
| 00:18.19 | abrotman | asg: you old fart .. get up and bang your head! |
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| 00:18.19 | spoopin | karsten: I know the internetpulse site was reachable for me |
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| 00:18.19 | karsten | spoopin: Yeah, Seems to be a problem on my side. |
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| 00:18.30 | karsten | shingouz: www.ms.washington.edu www.linuxforums.org www.faqs.org www.internetpulse.net www.nomachine.com |
| 00:18.39 | shingouz | Has someone fuxx0red with your router there, karsten? |
| 00:19.03 | FieldySnuts | who uses dvd lol |
| 00:19.08 | karsten | shingouz: Maybe. I'm looking for diagnostic suggestions. |
| 00:19.18 | abrotman | FieldySnuts: are you drunk? |
| 00:19.20 | spoopin | abrotman: looks like he's been gone for a while today |
| 00:19.24 | FieldySnuts | abrotman: no |
| 00:19.26 | abrotman | spoopin: rough day |
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| 00:19.32 | abrotman | FieldySnuts: were you mocking someone? |
| 00:19.40 | *** mode/#debian [+o mentor] by ChanServ |
| 00:19.40 | FieldySnuts | mocking !irritate |
| 00:19.43 | superfish | thanks dracs.. looks like that's getting me somewhere |
| 00:19.50 | karsten | shingouz: www.ms.washington.edu www.linuxforums.org w |
| 00:19.50 | lexxan | Does anyone get a crapload of insmod errors on boot? |
| 00:19.52 | *** mode/#debian [-b *!*@80.125.83.175] by mentor |
| 00:19.52 | simonrvn | damn that's stupid.... the @ops !ops ~ops shit... |
| 00:19.53 | karsten | ww.faqs.org www.internetpulse.net www.nomachine.com |
| 00:19.54 | superfish | you get an s in your name... |
| 00:19.58 | lexxan | and its like it tries to load all my modules twice |
| 00:20.01 | *** mode/#debian [-o mentor] by ChanServ |
| 00:20.01 | karsten | Gah. Broken paste... |
| 00:20.03 | spoopin | abrotman: ah. understandable |
| 00:20.07 | FieldySnuts | simonrvn: yeah. at least they don't repeat it every time like they used to. |
| 00:20.13 | abrotman | spoopin: don't you work with him? |
| 00:20.21 | shingouz | karsten: The four first ones open nicely for me |
| 00:20.24 | simonrvn | like they *want* to get banned.... |
| 00:20.29 | spoopin | abrotman: not yet. I start in a few weeks... |
| 00:20.31 | superfish | i'll be back with 1200 more questions in the future i'm sure |
| 00:20.35 | FieldySnuts | at least the paster one was creative, but just like these, they get taken care of real fast |
| 00:20.37 | bbrazil | right, apt is cleaned up from that |
| 00:20.39 | FieldySnuts | what a bunch of tits |
| 00:20.39 | abrotman | spoopin: ah . ok |
| 00:20.40 | karsten | shingouz: Yeah, apparently it's a local problem. |
| 00:20.48 | mentor | *Only the whispers of the air note mentor's visit* |
| 00:20.54 | karsten | shingouz: I can resolve, have confirmed IPs, and can mostly traceroute. |
| 00:20.58 | simonrvn | FieldySnuts: tit mice ;p |
| 00:21.02 | FieldySnuts | what?? |
| 00:21.07 | karsten | shingouz: ...so traffic's getting through. Various ports appear blocked. |
| 00:21.13 | simonrvn | titmouse. never heard of them? |
| 00:21.30 | shingouz | karsten: Your isp getting assholish? |
| 00:21.36 | karsten | shingouz: Dunno. |
| 00:21.36 | simonrvn | probably because of the sound they make |
| 00:21.54 | simonrvn | *tit* *tit* |
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| 00:22.00 | karsten | shingouz: mtr to washington.edu hits in 14 hops: 14. hoover-GE2-1.cac.washington.edu 0.6% 170 1617. 206.7 134.4 1617. 163.3 |
| 00:22.02 | snooo | stupid question |
| 00:22.09 | snooo | when sarge is finally released |
| 00:22.24 | abrotman | snooo: /msg dpkg wwsr |
| 00:22.26 | mentor | 'when'...so naive... |
| 00:22.27 | snooo | will it be possible to stay with testing and still have a relativly stable system? |
| 00:22.31 | snooo | not when |
| 00:22.32 | snooo | see above |
| 00:22.44 | shingouz | karsten: I get the feeling that the problem you have there is a bit too complex for me :( |
| 00:23.03 | chealer | !tell snooo about enter |
| 00:23.03 | Delph | karsten: sounds like your routing is playing sillybuffers. |
| 00:23.05 | mentor | snooo: well, testing will always be pacakges that have stayed stable in sid for a while... |
| 00:23.08 | abrotman | snooo: you can .. might get wacky for a bit after the release as stuff starts up from sid again |
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| 00:23.24 | snooo | chealer: :P |
| 00:23.34 | Delph | reminds me of that story about some american university who got their routing fucked up, so 50% of packets to the east coast went via the west coast and back again. |
| 00:23.35 | shingouz | karsten: Just for shits and giggles, replace the usual nameservers you use with something else |
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| 00:23.58 | Delph | i can't remember what was funny about it, though. |
| 00:24.18 | Delph | oh yes, they couldn't send email more than 400miles. something to do with timeouts somewhere. |
| 00:24.21 | snooo | abrotman: its not going to go straight into sid though? it will still be based on sarge or will the whole thing change...? |
| 00:24.30 | snooo | if that makes sense |
| 00:24.49 | madclicker | does KDE have a handy volume controler for taskbar? |
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| 00:24.54 | lexxan | do I need discover1? |
| 00:24.55 | Delph | snooo: sid will remain sid. testing will become stable. a new testing will be born from the old testing. |
| 00:25.02 | abrotman | snooo: testing is testing .. won't change .. sid is unstable won't change .. sarge is currently testing .. this will change .. will become stable .. then testing is etch |
| 00:25.11 | abrotman | whwo .. that was sosoooo fucking confusing |
| 00:25.12 | earl | anyone know why my maximize button doesnt work in an gtk windows ? im using fluxbox 9.12 |
| 00:25.12 | chealer | madclicker: kmix? you could ask #debian-kde |
| 00:25.23 | snooo | abrotman: i nearly fell into a trance |
| 00:25.24 | madclicker | roger |
| 00:25.28 | karsten | shingouz: DNS resolution checks out. |
| 00:25.33 | snooo | ok |
| 00:25.41 | snooo | i'll just wait a couple of weeks/months then |
| 00:25.42 | abrotman | !releases |
| 00:25.42 | dpkg | releases is probably http://www.debian.org/releases/ |
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| 00:25.49 | karsten | Delph: Routing checks out. I'm getting traffic blocked to random hosts. |
| 00:25.51 | lexxan | Can my machine boot without discover1? |
| 00:26.05 | Delph | karsten: weren't you getting occasionall 1.6second rtts? |
| 00:26.07 | shingouz | karsten: Lemme check with nmap on one of those sites. brb |
| 00:26.15 | Delph | like... every other one? |
| 00:26.24 | karsten | Delph: ?? |
| 00:26.33 | karsten | Delph: What's rtts? |
| 00:26.51 | Delph | 1617. 206.7 134.4 1617. 163 ? |
| 00:26.58 | Delph | round trip times |
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| 00:27.17 | Delph | 1617 = 1.6seconds? |
| 00:27.18 | shingouz | <PROTECTED> |
| 00:27.23 | karsten | 11. 67.19.255.166 48.0% 301 193.3 240.3 164.8 1279. 151.8 |
| 00:27.37 | karsten | Delph: ...that's mtr. I'm dialup, ping times generally suck. |
| 00:27.44 | snooo | cheers, makes sense |
| 00:27.48 | karsten | These are pretty good, actually. < 500ms. |
| 00:27.50 | snooo | byee |
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| 00:28.25 | Delph | oh, those aren't all different ping times. |
| 00:28.31 | shingouz | nmap -P0 -p 80 -sT www.ms.washington.edu --> 80/tcp open http karsten |
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| 00:29.03 | karsten | Delph: Host Loss% Snt Last Avg Best Wrst StDev |
| 00:29.07 | shingouz | karsten: Has to be on your side somehow, either your router or your ISP is getting antsy about something |
| 00:29.13 | Delph | aaah |
| 00:29.17 | karsten | shingouz: Yeah, that's what I'm thinking... |
| 00:29.23 | karsten | shingouz: ...but how to test... |
| 00:29.37 | Delph | karsten: to discount software on your machine: throw knoppix on and try from that. |
| 00:29.51 | Delph | or some other livecd-type distro |
| 00:29.59 | karsten | Delph: Three systems here, none work. |
| 00:30.06 | shingouz | karsten: Delph Sounds like a good idea even if it has the word Knoppix in it |
| 00:30.12 | Delph | then it's probably your router or isp |
| 00:30.26 | Delph | no idea how to test the router properly... try complaining at your ISP =:) |
| 00:30.26 | karsten | OK, progress. |
| 00:30.36 | karsten | shingouz: Delph: /join #flood for a sec. |
| 00:30.38 | n0op | abrotman: i wanted to stop mozilla-firefox being closed yesterday you suggested i edit source to disable the close function... were you pullin my leg man? coz i got the source code and i have seriously nfi what to do and after reading a few things it doesnt look a bit easy |
| 00:31.13 | abrotman | n0op: ok .. yes and no |
| 00:31.24 | abrotman | n0op: if it's out of your league . then not a good idea |
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| 00:31.45 | abrotman | n0op: you could ask on irc.mozilla.org .. maybe there's a person there with an idea |
| 00:31.49 | n0op | yeah i think its beyond me |
| 00:31.56 | n0op | ok ill try that |
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| 00:32.49 | CyL | what is the device to mount floppies on a 2.6.8 kernel? |
| 00:33.10 | chealer | /dev/fd? |
| 00:33.36 | CyL | chealer<=- /dev/fd is a directory.... |
| 00:33.58 | bucky | fd0 |
| 00:34.10 | CyL | bucky<=- there is no such a device |
| 00:34.34 | simonrvn | /dev/fd0 or /dev/fd/0 |
| 00:34.36 | bucky | CyL, what version of debian are you using? |
| 00:34.47 | CyL | bucky<=- sarge |
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| 00:35.08 | CyL | bucky<=- but i compiled my own kernel |
| 00:35.17 | CyL | using kpkg |
| 00:35.41 | CyL | and did not choose yes to legacy devfs |
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| 00:36.54 | FieldySnuts | @smite kdelibs |
| 00:36.57 | bucky | CyL, you need that and cat /usr/src/linux/.config |grep FLOPPY CONFIG_BLK_DEV_IDEFLOPPY=m |
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| 00:37.39 | bucky | CyL, http://www.debian.org/doc/manuals/reference/ch-kernel.en.html#s-kernel-debian |
| 00:37.59 | CyL | bucky<=- CONFIG_BLK_DEV_IDEFLOPPY=m |
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| 00:38.13 | abrotman | !moo |
| 00:38.13 | dpkg | mooooooo! I am cow, hear me moo, I weigh twice as much as you. I'm a cow, eating grass, methane gas comes out my ass. I'm a cow, you are too; join us all! Type apt-get moo. http://bugs.debian.org/175939 |
| 00:38.23 | bucky | CyL, use that manual ^^ for best results |
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| 00:39.46 | chealer | hah, I've also seen a bug against apt asking to improve the cow's look |
| 00:39.48 | karsten | shingouz: Can you do me a favor and run mtr to 69.19.218.69 |
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| 00:45.27 | madclicker | does anyome know if there is any logitech multimedia keyboard utils ? |
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| 00:47.28 | tvn | madclicker: for ? |
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| 00:48.32 | CyL | this nagging dsl connection.... |
| 00:48.34 | minimec | madclicker: not until yet I think. The LCD Display does not work... |
| 00:49.12 | CyL | what is the module name for the ide floppy driver? |
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| 00:50.15 | jmd | Anyone know how to start hotkeys from /etc/X11/Xsession.d |
| 00:50.15 | minimec | madclicker: you should be able to define the keys of your keyboard with your Window Manager |
| 00:50.33 | bucky | CyL, ide-floppy.ko |
| 00:50.40 | jmd | I put an entry there, and it duly starts, but does bugger all. |
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| 00:52.01 | CyL | bucky<=- bucky I did modprobe ide-floppy and still no results... I'm using this udev system.... |
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| 00:52.08 | IDC | Good morning |
| 00:52.15 | IDC | :D |
| 00:52.24 | bucky | ah that's different... i don't use udev |
| 00:52.30 | FieldySnuts | !hurt IIS |
| 00:52.44 | IDC | dpkg, haha |
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| 00:53.01 | FieldySnuts | wenas how 2 sound lol |
| 00:53.04 | chealer | I don't have an ide-floppy module loaded, just a floppy one |
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| 00:53.17 | madclicker | minimec: volume controler, playback functions and such |
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| 00:53.36 | agd5f | what would /dev/md0 be under 2.6? I'm trying to get 2.6 to boot off a RAID1 array, but I keep getting Kernel panic - not syncing: VFS: Unable to mount root fs on unknown-block(9,0) |
| 00:53.47 | agd5f | 2.5 works fine |
| 00:53.50 | agd5f | 2.4 rather |
| 00:54.08 | agd5f | no modules, all compiled in |
| 00:54.27 | FieldySnuts | <dpkg> FieldySnuts: wenas who uses dvd plz msg me, ah yes that was it |
| 00:54.32 | CyL | chealer<=- modprobing floppy did the trick... thanks buddy.... how do I automatize the kmod to load floppy every time an app tries to access fd0? |
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| 00:55.07 | chealer | CyL: no idea, for me it seems to be always loaded |
| 00:55.38 | minimec | madclicker: Yes. But you have to use some programs for it. :-) For example: To control your volume, you use aumix. to start mp3 playback, you use xmms. Try xmms -p in a console. See what happens. :-) |
| 00:56.00 | bucky | CyL, choose automatic loading of modules in menuconfig |
| 00:56.10 | CyL | chealer<=- maybe your kernel is monolitic... |
| 00:56.21 | CyL | bucky<=- it was selected |
| 00:56.48 | chealer | isn't Linux a monolithic kernel? :) |
| 00:56.55 | bucky | CyL, are you really using a 2.6.8 kernel? |
| 00:57.10 | tvn | a mix , it has module capbility |
| 00:58.35 | IDC | How do i get flash plugin for firefox in sarge ? |
| 00:58.35 | CyL | bucky<=- uname -r returns 2.6.8-fookernel... I gues so :) |
| 00:58.40 | CyL | s/gues/guess |
| 00:58.47 | GodFodder | Can anybody explain how I choose to go with the stable code base or stay with testing, now that testing is about to become stable, my computer is now a testing installation? |
| 00:58.48 | simonrvn | CyL: add floppy to /etc/modules |
| 00:59.17 | CyL | simonrvn<=- but it will aways bo loaded then, even if im not using my floppy, right? |
| 00:59.30 | simonrvn | yes |
| 00:59.42 | tvn | IDC: try macromedia website ? |
| 00:59.54 | gravity | GodFodder: If you want to stay with stable, no matter what it is, set up your /etc/apt/sources.list to point to stable. Alternately, you can point to "woody" or "sarge" and fix on a specific release. If you choose sarge, it'll remain on sarge as sarge becomes stable. |
| 00:59.57 | IDC | tvn, oh |
| 01:00.08 | gravity | GodFodder: If you want it to remain on testing no matter what the release name is, set it to testing |
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| 01:00.24 | chealer | !tell IDC about flash |
| 01:00.41 | abrotman | GodFodder: you probably want to stay with sarge unless you have a reason not to |
| 01:00.41 | K_Dallas | !tell IDC about flash |
| 01:00.44 | K_Dallas | oops |
| 01:00.48 | K_Dallas | !tell K_Dallas about flash |
| 01:00.54 | abrotman | !tell K_Dallas about stupid |
| 01:00.55 | abrotman | :) |
| 01:01.03 | abrotman | wow . .i didn't even know that existed |
| 01:01.07 | abrotman | K_Dallas: sorry :) |
| 01:01.07 | IDC | Thanks |
| 01:01.11 | K_Dallas | np :) |
| 01:01.11 | chealer | !tell K_Dallas about msg the bot |
| 01:01.38 | K_Dallas | !tell myself about careless ;) |
| 01:02.07 | IDC | well,yeah there are mostly the ads from flash player on the pages,but how can i avoid seeing 'click here to install plugin' on the webpages when there the plugin is missing ? |
| 01:02.26 | simonrvn | don't look at it? |
| 01:02.31 | GodFodder | gravity, I have 3 lines in sources.list deb http:// all saying testing, therefore per your advice I will remain with test, I should read the doc on sources.list file |
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| 01:02.43 | bucky | IDC, google for flash and linux |
| 01:02.45 | gravity | GodFodder: That'd be a wise move |
| 01:02.46 | chealer | or use a broken flash player like swf-player :) |
| 01:02.46 | IDC | simonrvn, but they are there,but on windows,i dont have to see them |
| 01:03.11 | GodFodder | gravity, thank you for you kind response |
| 01:03.13 | simonrvn | irony and sarcasm don't translate to text very well |
| 01:03.21 | abrotman | GodFodder: you should change them to sarge IMO |
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| 01:03.41 | gravity | GodFodder: You're welcome |
| 01:04.05 | kanelo | hi |
| 01:04.08 | cafuego | !eurosmite Phated |
| 01:04.22 | Phated | Hello, why am I getting Eurosmitten? |
| 01:04.32 | cafuego | Just testing the factoid |
| 01:04.39 | cafuego | this IS eurovision month, you know? |
| 01:04.40 | Phated | *narrows eyes* |
| 01:04.42 | chealer | so Phated is the martyr :) |
| 01:04.42 | Delph | yay! |
| 01:04.51 | Delph | whenwhen is it cafuego ? |
| 01:04.55 | Phated | I care not for Eurovision. You may happily smite other Euros. |
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| 01:04.57 | cafuego | Live, from Ukraine! |
| 01:05.19 | GodFodder | abrotman, I'm inclinde to want to use more current software that testing represents, unless you are indirectly saying that testing will shortly become very buggy |
| 01:05.20 | cafuego | Phated: It's a cult event in Australia, if only for the drunken moron commenting :-) |
| 01:05.21 | RichiH | Phated: it's a paneuropean tv show, basically |
| 01:05.34 | abrotman | GodFodder: FSVO buggy |
| 01:05.36 | Phated | I... see. |
| 01:05.36 | abrotman | :) |
| 01:05.37 | cafuego | Delph: www.eurovision.tv |
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| 01:06.35 | bluebell | 21/05 |
| 01:06.42 | cafuego | radio active chernobyl burger good,d a? |
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| 01:06.56 | remote | dpkg: .Xdefaults |
| 01:07.02 | remote | dpkg: .Xresources |
| 01:07.11 | gravity | remote: What's your question? |
| 01:07.26 | remote | I made a .Xdefaults file but it's not "sourced" when I startx |
| 01:07.32 | remote | if you know what I mean |
| 01:07.53 | cafuego | remote: xrdb -merge .Xdefaults |
| 01:07.55 | remote | i'm almost certain it's just a matter of file name but what should it be |
| 01:08.06 | cafuego | remote: Just throw that in .xsession |
| 01:08.07 | remote | cafuego: yes i added that in .bashrc but it's not very clean |
| 01:08.15 | karsten | shingouz: More data: I also get 'filtered' when progressing hops out to Slashdot, but slashdot itself comes through on my browser. |
| 01:08.22 | remote | cafuego: .Xsession and .xsession is the same ? |
| 01:08.37 | GodFodder | abrotman, sorry to ask what does FSVO mean? I'm embarrased to ask!!! |
| 01:08.47 | Delph | for some version of. |
| 01:08.49 | Phated | And yet you ask. |
| 01:08.52 | Phated | values! |
| 01:09.04 | Delph | version! |
| 01:09.04 | Delph | fsvo fsvo |
| 01:09.04 | Phated | values! |
| 01:09.10 | Phated | !fsvo |
| 01:09.10 | dpkg | methinks fsvo is For Some Values Of. For Small Values Of |
| 01:09.11 | Delph | you have no values! |
| 01:09.14 | Phated | HAH! |
| 01:09.25 | cafuego | remote: No, you're getting .xsession and .Xresources confused, I think. |
| 01:09.29 | Delph | i'll put eurovision on again! |
| 01:09.39 | Phated | Don't you dare! |
| 01:09.40 | IDC | can anyone suggest me an adblock for firefox ? |
| 01:09.42 | shingouz | oh, i need to paste the other thingie too for you karsten. Sorry I got a bit occupied here because of a phone |
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| 01:09.57 | remote | XTerm*CharClass: 33:48,37:48,45-47:48,38:48 |
| 01:10.00 | karsten | shingouz: NP. |
| 01:10.01 | remote | i have that kind of stuff in there |
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| 01:10.15 | cafuego | remote: yes, that goes in .Xresources/.Xdefaults |
| 01:10.26 | cafuego | remote: When X starts, it normally processes commands in .xsession |
| 01:10.29 | Delph | scarynetworkguy: i'll get my mum's barbershop chorus in here and *then* you'll be sorry |
| 01:10.40 | cafuego | remote: So if you add the xrdb -mrge command, it will run as X starts. |
| 01:10.49 | scarynetworkguy | Delph: No need to go nuclear. |
| 01:10.50 | abrotman | GodFodder: for some values of |
| 01:11.02 | shingouz | karsten: #flood |
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| 01:13.10 | GodFodder | abrotman, thank you |
| 01:13.38 | karsten | shingouz: Got it. |
| 01:13.39 | remote | cafuego: i know but X should do this on it's own |
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| 01:14.28 | remote | for example on redhatish distro it's .Xdefaults or .Xdefaults-`hostname`, on debian it's something else |
| 01:14.34 | remote | distros* |
| 01:15.52 | remote | putting xrdb -merge <file> introduces problems on my 200mhz WXomend box |
| 01:16.03 | shingouz | Speaking of network problems, if I use Skype on my gprs (56kbps) I can get an almost clean connection but on my 8M adsl the stuff is just <mumblegarble>word<garble>..ther wor<garble>. Could my irc server that is running on the dls fuxx0r up the skype? Or any other hints? |
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| 01:16.58 | tvn | in Rhythmbox is there a way to stop the default rating ? or set it to something else than the default *** ? |
| 01:17.01 | nmbntz | wheeee. fedex says my new cpus will be here tomorrow morning. |
| 01:17.17 | nmbntz | i will finally reach the gigahertz era |
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| 01:17.54 | shingouz | nmbntz: Stop hurting my feelings. Dual P1-133 here :p |
| 01:18.20 | abrotman | shingouz: i've got a 486 in the closet :) |
| 01:18.25 | nmbntz | shingouz, going from katmai to coppermine x2 :) |
| 01:18.31 | shingouz | abrotman: I have one in use. so there. |
| 01:18.44 | madclicker | kernel 2.6.11 is it for sid? |
| 01:18.45 | abrotman | shingouz: i have broadband . or else it woudl be in use as my pppd router |
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| 01:18.57 | minimec | madclicker: I will by a Logitech DiNovo soon :-) |
| 01:19.02 | tvn | 133 Mhz for chatting is way sufficient :) |
| 01:19.12 | nmbntz | and when i say "reached", i mean it. they're P3 1gHz chips |
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| 01:19.35 | shingouz | abrotman: Well... I use a 486 laptop for wardriving and other assorted stuff where the laptop may get banged up a bit :) |
| 01:19.36 | glick | excuse me does anyone know a quick way to get my cdrom drive recognized so i can burn an installation immage? |
| 01:19.45 | abrotman | shingouz: heh |
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| 01:21.01 | glick | i have the default debian install? |
| 01:21.07 | shingouz | glick: dmesg? |
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| 01:21.48 | karsten | !tell glick about burning cds under debian |
| 01:21.50 | glick | shingouz, i have the default install, with the default kernel, i just want my cd burner to work so i can burn a netinstall image and reinstall |
| 01:22.03 | karsten | shingouz: cdrecord, basically. |
| 01:22.19 | shingouz | glick: cdrecord --scanbus |
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| 01:23.26 | nmbntz | xcdroast, imho |
| 01:23.49 | barretj | i'm using kde, and xterm, when i maximize an xterm window the bottom few pixels of it get covered up by kicker (the kde taskbar thingy) |
| 01:23.55 | barretj | anyone know how to fix this? |
| 01:24.22 | barretj | it makes it really hard to see what commands i am typing because i can't see the bottom half of the command |
| 01:24.55 | nse | kde really sucks with that stuff |
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| 01:25.02 | barretj | heh |
| 01:25.12 | deadcat | !fuck kde |
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| 01:25.40 | barretj | what wm/desktop environ do you use? |
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| 01:26.01 | glick | the documentation assumes your running lilo |
| 01:26.04 | glick | im running grub |
| 01:26.05 | jesse-jads | has anyone seen osx tiger? |
| 01:26.10 | nse | barretj: try maximizing the window |
| 01:26.12 | tvn | anything that shows up a terminal so I run screen on it |
| 01:26.40 | barretj | nse: thats what i am doing |
| 01:27.03 | nse | barretj: oh shit, really, what's your screen size? |
| 01:27.03 | barretj | interestingly, konsole does not have this problem |
| 01:27.15 | barretj | my screen size is 1280x1024 pixels |
| 01:27.49 | deadcat | jesse-jads: no. |
| 01:28.05 | nse | kde is for gnome as windows is for linux. hehe |
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| 01:28.21 | glick | it says to add this to lilo.conf |
| 01:28.26 | glick | but im running grub |
| 01:28.27 | glick | append="hdc=ide-scsi max_scsi_luns=1" |
| 01:28.49 | tvn | that's the same as apple comparing with orange ... |
| 01:28.59 | deadcat | glick: look for kopt in menu.list, add hdc.. to the end then update-grub |
| 01:29.10 | cafuego | oh, lovely RC bug in sarge mysql |
| 01:29.18 | deadcat | glick: DONT uncomment kopt |
| 01:29.24 | barretj | i keep considering buying a mac mini, but then i realize that i'm just gonna install debian on it so there wouldnt be much point (since the only real reason to get it would be to use Mac OSX) |
| 01:30.18 | deadcat | bathere is a point. |
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| 01:30.54 | deadcat | barretj: mol |
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| 01:31.04 | glick | deadcat, so kopt=append="hdc=ide-scsi max_scsi_luns=1" |
| 01:31.14 | jblack | Is the Debian.org mailserver admin present? |
| 01:31.15 | deadcat | glick: no |
| 01:31.58 | deadcat | glick: just put hdc=... to the end of the kopt line |
| 01:31.58 | deadcat | jbno |
| 01:32.21 | glick | so just after #kopt |
| 01:32.23 | glick | put |
| 01:32.25 | glick | append="hdc=ide-scsi max_scsi_luns=1" |
| 01:32.34 | deadcat | glick: NO. hdc... no append |
| 01:32.42 | glick | i mean hdc=ide-scsi max_scsi_luns=1" |
| 01:32.44 | deadcat | dammit |
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| 01:33.18 | deadcat | # kopt=root=/dev/hda1 ro vga=791 splash=silent |
| 01:33.43 | n0op | abrotman: found what i was looking for http://www.mozdevgroup.com/clients/bm/# its not firefox but it runs on X and is perfect for what i need |
| 01:33.55 | n0op | thanks for your help |
| 01:34.49 | abrotman | n0c: yay |
| 01:34.53 | abrotman | err n0op |
| 01:35.00 | rob_lt | What is a good syntax for netstat? I want to see if squid is listening on 127.0.0.1. |
| 01:35.11 | Delph | -np | grep ... |
| 01:35.29 | rob_lt | Delph, thanks. |
| 01:35.29 | n0op | ;D |
| 01:35.33 | n0op | cya later |
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| 01:35.38 | cafuego | barretj: I'll let you know how Debian goes once our Mac Mini arrives. |
| 01:35.43 | Delph | wwhere ... is squid |
| 01:35.45 | cafuego | Speaking of, i should call Apple and abuse them. |
| 01:35.47 | Delph | (and you're running as root) |
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| 01:36.29 | deadcat | cafuego: you said it will arrive few weeks ago |
| 01:36.55 | cafuego | deadcat: yeah, still nothing. it's been 2 1/2 months now. |
| 01:36.56 | deadcat | barretj: just google and mac+mini+debian, it shows what works and not. basically everthing except the fucking wireless |
| 01:37.04 | deadcat | cafuego: they fucked you good. |
| 01:37.32 | deadcat | cafuego: i bet they are like "whats he gonna do, he uses a Mac... hahah" (= |
| 01:37.35 | cafuego | deadcat: Well, we bought via a 3rd party reseller, and traditioanlly apple first fulfil orders freom their own shops and online store. |
| 01:37.46 | deadcat | o |
| 01:38.13 | cafuego | deadcat: But hey, NOW it comes with Tiger. |
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| 01:38.34 | deadcat | cafuego: hehe. |
| 01:38.41 | deadcat | and now you need more ram |
| 01:38.51 | cafuego | Nah, it'll be fine. |
| 01:39.03 | deadcat | default 3256? |
| 01:39.16 | cafuego | I can always crack it open and install more; ram is cheap. |
| 01:39.41 | deadcat | cafuego: i guess. rams are cheap unless you buy from apple (= |
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| 01:42.31 | madclicker | can someone explain to me where are all *.deb files on ftp servers, under which folder and also where would i be able to find files with *.dsc extentions? |
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| 01:43.14 | caphuso | madclicker: pool directory |
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| 01:44.42 | madclicker | thank you |
| 01:44.53 | maher | madclicker: maybe you want apt-get source |
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| 01:45.16 | hope22 | I have just done a net-install. I apt-got mozilla-firefox, and everything seemed to go well. Except, that firefox won't start: it gives (firefox-bin:4589): Gtk-WARNING **: cannot open display: |
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| 01:45.36 | maher | hope22: are you trying to run it as root |
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| 01:45.51 | hope22 | Nope. |
| 01:45.54 | rob_lt | hope22, what desktop environment are you in? |
| 01:46.01 | hope22 | fluxbox |
| 01:46.27 | hope22 | so no desktop environment, I guess |
| 01:46.33 | rob_lt | :) |
| 01:46.51 | maher | hope22: shouldn't matter - it works for me under blackbox |
| 01:47.22 | hope22 | The exact output is the following: Xlib: connection to ":0.0" refused by server |
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| 01:48.01 | maher | hope22: can you run other xclients from that terminal |
| 01:48.05 | hope22 | and then Xlib: XDM authorization key matches an existing client! |
| 01:48.33 | hope22 | If xterm & counts, then yes. |
| 01:48.57 | maher | hope22: dunno - have you tried restarting X |
| 01:50.15 | hope22 | maher, yeah, I have done that. I am at a loss, the funny thing is that I have had the same sort of weird problem with firefox in the past in other machines. I never understood what goes wrong. |
| 01:50.38 | maher | hope22: is there a copy of firefox running atm? try ps auxw | grep firefox |
| 01:51.08 | hope22 | nope, |
| 01:51.09 | madclicker | maher: would that get a source package? |
| 01:51.42 | hope22 | I should figure out to find the existing client, do you know where I could look? |
| 01:51.48 | maher | madclicker: if you had a src line in sources.list |
| 01:52.18 | maher | hope22: dunno |
| 01:52.35 | hope22 | maher, thanks for trying anyways. :) |
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| 01:53.01 | madclicker | maher: sweet, am starting to understand packages :) |
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| 01:55.40 | glick | hey i put this is my menu.lst file |
| 01:55.42 | glick | kernel/boot/vmlinuz-2.4.27-2-386 root=/dev/hda2 ro hdc=scsi-ide |
| 01:55.56 | glick | but cdrecord -scanbus still doesnt show the cdrom |
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| 01:57.13 | hope22 | maher: I am using firefox now. |
| 01:58.20 | maher | hope22: what did youdo |
| 01:59.07 | glick | does anyon know what im doing wrong? |
| 01:59.41 | hope22 | first, have no idea why it works. But, here is what I did. Removed .Xauthority, then tried running firefox (it did not work) then restarted X, then typed firefox and it worked. Any ideas why this solved it? |
| 02:00.31 | maher | hope22: no - maybe look in .firefox or whever to see if it caches .Xauthority |
| 02:01.04 | glick | whats that link again? |
| 02:01.11 | glick | !dpkg cd burning |
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| 02:01.29 | maher | glick: if you want to run scsi-emulation don't you need to send a boot option to the kernel |
| 02:01.37 | MobyTurbo | hope22: running X at root can do things like that. Solution? Don't run X as root |
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| 02:01.41 | toresbe | OT: Anyone here ever worked with a MIPS M2000? |
| 02:01.48 | glick | kernel/boot/vmlinuz-2.4.27-2-386 root=/dev/hda2 ro hdc=scsi-ide |
| 02:01.56 | glick | maher, thats whats in my menu.lst |
| 02:02.03 | maher | glick: is that grub? |
| 02:02.08 | glick | yeah |
| 02:02.13 | MobyTurbo | glick: that should be "ide-scsi" not "scsi-ide" |
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| 02:04.16 | |XO| | i get an error while upgrading.... with the xutils package |
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| 02:04.43 | maher | |XO|: what error |
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| 02:05.53 | |XO| | Errors were encountered while processing: |
| 02:05.53 | |XO| | <PROTECTED> |
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| 02:06.58 | maher | |XO|: paste the errors in #flood |
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| 02:07.06 | |XO| | k |
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| 02:07.51 | |XO| | maher pasted it |
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| 02:08.33 | IDC | I like yahoo chat,would anyone suggest me a client for yahoo in linux ? i have sound |
| 02:08.46 | gravity | IDC: gaim |
| 02:09.04 | IDC | does gaim support voice chatting in yahoo rooms ? |
| 02:09.19 | gravity | IDC: I don't know, but if anything does it's gaim |
| 02:09.27 | maher | |XO|: you have a file conflict - check the bts and file a bug if its not reported, and use dpkg with the force overwrite option |
| 02:09.52 | IDC | gravity, gaim ? it's released by yahoo |
| 02:09.54 | IDC | ? |
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| 02:09.59 | |XO| | maher can u help me with dpkg with force overwrite...im not sure how to do that.. |
| 02:10.03 | gravity | IDC: What? |
| 02:10.05 | maher | |XO|: man dpkg |
| 02:10.09 | |XO| | :( |
| 02:10.10 | gravity | IDC: gaim handles yahoo |
| 02:10.14 | gravity | and other things |
| 02:10.30 | IDC | gravity, oh,so its just a frontend ? |
| 02:10.41 | gravity | IDC: It's a chat client that can handle multiple protocols |
| 02:10.48 | gravity | "frontend" doesn't make sense |
| 02:10.53 | IDC | I see |
| 02:10.59 | IDC | Thanks |
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| 02:13.34 | jariep1_ | How much bandwidth does one need to share an internet connection with 20 users? |
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| 02:14.28 | jariep1_ | ijust for web browsing and e-mail |
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| 02:17.18 | tracer | Is there a way to send syn/acks back to attempted port connections so that you can freak out port scans, using iptables? |
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| 02:18.42 | |XO| | maher that worked thanks...i'd support you if there was an election and i could vote.... |
| 02:18.42 | IDC | if i install packages without using apt-get ,means i risk something maybe are harmful to the system ? |
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| 02:19.27 | maher | |XO|: np :) |
| 02:19.37 | maher | IDC: how are you going to install things? |
| 02:19.39 | glick | excuse me i added that line into menu.lst but cdrecord still doesnt show the burner |
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| 02:19.45 | glick | wtf am i doing wrong? |
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| 02:20.06 | maher | glick: do you know whether the kernel is actually booting with the right options? |
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| 02:20.22 | glick | kernel/boot/vmlinuz-2.4.27-2-386 root=/dev/hda2 ro hdc=ide-scsi |
| 02:20.28 | glick | thats in my menu.list file |
| 02:20.44 | maher | glick: cat /proc/cmdline |
| 02:21.12 | glick | root=/dev/hda2 ro hdc=ide-scsi |
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| 02:21.41 | maher | glick: do you have the right modules loaded |
| 02:21.51 | dangerr | hey anyone know in xchat-text is there a way to suspend the app and go back to it later |
| 02:22.03 | glick | maher, yeah lsmod shows the proper stuff |
| 02:22.21 | MobyTurbo | dangerr: does control-z (followed by "fg" to reload it) work? |
| 02:22.22 | protol0co | how do i install the make on debian ? |
| 02:22.31 | dangerr | i bet it does, ive never tried |
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| 02:22.45 | toresbe | that won't work |
| 02:22.52 | maher | protol0co: apt-get install build-essential <-- will bring in other usefl stuff |
| 02:22.52 | MobyTurbo | dangerr: I just use screen |
| 02:22.55 | toresbe | the connection will time out |
| 02:22.59 | toresbe | use screen like I do |
| 02:23.10 | dangerr | screen? whats that? |
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| 02:23.24 | toresbe | "it's the thing on top of your CPU" :P |
| 02:23.29 | dangerr | lol |
| 02:23.44 | toresbe | it's a brilliant program that lets you "detatch" a virtual terminal |
| 02:23.51 | toresbe | and reattach it somewhere else |
| 02:23.51 | maher | glick: paste the cdparanoia line and te output into #flood |
| 02:24.14 | dangerr | oh i see |
| 02:24.15 | toresbe | you can even run the same prog in different terminals at the same time attached to the same screen |
| 02:24.20 | dangerr | thats cool |
| 02:24.21 | MobyTurbo | screen also lets you start additional programs in the same tty, make windows, and all sorts of other stuff |
| 02:24.26 | toresbe | yeah |
| 02:24.30 | dangerr | so it basically allows you to run several terminals? |
| 02:24.38 | toresbe | well |
| 02:24.43 | MobyTurbo | dangerr: that's just one of it's features |
| 02:24.44 | toresbe | say you have a server that never is off |
| 02:24.47 | dangerr | i see |
| 02:24.49 | maher | dangerr: its like virtual desktops for your terminal |
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| 02:24.54 | toresbe | but you work on it from different places |
| 02:25.18 | protol0co | how can i know the distribution on a server ? |
| 02:25.18 | protol0co | maher, thanks |
| 02:25.36 | toresbe | say you've been editing a file on your desktop and need to switch to your laptop |
| 02:25.45 | toresbe | you press Ctrl-A Ctrl-D to detach |
| 02:25.46 | Cauan | hi, any one know a free software can act as "email-proxy", |
| 02:25.46 | Cauan | some thing like download all e-mail from my userS from internet host and syncronize staty syncronized. |
| 02:25.46 | Cauan | i think MS Exchange can do that. |
| 02:25.56 | toresbe | and ssh from the laptop to the server and do screen -x |
| 02:26.02 | toresbe | voila, your session is resumed |
| 02:26.08 | dangerr | cool |
| 02:26.18 | toresbe | also you can create additional windows with Ctrl-A Ctrl-C |
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| 02:26.34 | toresbe | and switch between them (ctrl-a 1, 2, 3, ...) |
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| 02:26.38 | MobyTurbo | screen is great for IRCing a text IRC program in X, because if you ever need to leave X you can detach it in the xterm, then re-attach it in console, without logging off. Another nice screen feature is cut and paste. |
| 02:26.49 | dangerr | ohh nice |
| 02:27.08 | MobyTurbo | apt-get install screen, and you'll never go back. :-) |
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| 02:27.18 | dangerr | anyone here good with apache? i asked a question in #apache but i didnt get any reply |
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| 02:27.21 | toresbe | dangerr: and split Ctrl-A Shift-S and have multiple windows in the same terminal, etc |
| 02:27.37 | toresbe | MobyTurbo: I'm ssh'ing to a stable server |
| 02:27.39 | Tanguito | Hola !! |
| 02:27.43 | toresbe | 04:27 Irssi uptime: 171d 6h 36m 0s |
| 02:27.46 | Tanguito | alguien habla español |
| 02:28.06 | Cauan | portugues |
| 02:28.10 | MobyTurbo | toresbe: from what I know sshing screen is not a luxury, it's a neccessity. |
| 02:28.25 | toresbe | hm? |
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| 02:28.34 | toresbe | ah |
| 02:28.38 | Tanguito | irc Debian en español |
| 02:28.38 | MobyTurbo | toresbe: that didn't quite come out right. :-/ |
| 02:28.41 | maher | !es |
| 02:28.41 | dpkg | Hispanohablantes: Por favor usen #debian-es, alli obtendran mas ayuda. Spanish Speakers: Please use #debian-es, there you will get much more help. |
| 02:28.54 | Tanguito | thank |
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| 02:29.16 | bdlug66 | hello |
| 02:29.23 | bdlug66 | i need to reconfigure gnome |
| 02:29.36 | jrr | 22:22 < RootsLINUX> Can someone please go in #debian and ask them to fix |
| 02:29.36 | jrr | <PROTECTED> |
| 02:29.36 | jrr | <PROTECTED> |
| 02:30.05 | maher | jrr: maybe he could change his name... |
| 02:30.12 | bdlug66 | i had umount premission problem so i log in as root and rm -R .* and rm -R Desktop |
| 02:30.28 | bdlug66 | then i log in as usr and fix the premission problem |
| 02:30.40 | bdlug66 | now i can mount and umount correctally |
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| 02:31.01 | bdlug66 | but after umunt an mount the gnome could not show cdrom or drives in desktop :( |
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| 02:32.04 | bdlug66 | there may be some cache problem and i need to run scroll keeper but i do now know how to |
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| 02:32.39 | dangerr | well, im going to ask this question anyways, cause im not sure if its apache related or not |
| 02:32.58 | dangerr | im running apache, and i can see the web server fine from the box, but not on any other computer on my network |
| 02:33.17 | maher | dangerr: can you ping the apachebox |
| 02:33.33 | karsten | dangerr: What're your allow/deny settings in /etc/apache/httpd.conf ? |
| 02:33.44 | dangerr | let me check |
| 02:33.50 | dangerr | errr |
| 02:33.52 | dangerr | how do i get a local ip |
| 02:34.03 | maher | dangerr: ifconfig |
| 02:34.09 | dangerr | ok |
| 02:34.57 | markmrd | l |
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| 02:35.36 | |XO| | i just upgraded 2 machines...i hope i dont get any calls in the morning.. |
| 02:36.00 | ninereeds | is there any way to force debian to recreate my menu.lst? |
| 02:36.05 | markmrd | I am booting into linux from a floppy disk, and mount ing the rootfs into a ramdisk, I want to be able to see the hard disk and mount it. I created a dev file using mknod, but whenever I try to mount I get /dev/hda is not a valid block device, any ideas? |
| 02:36.11 | dangerr | oh hehe |
| 02:36.17 | dangerr | never mind i guess i can see it from other machines |
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| 02:36.29 | ninereeds | reinstalling grub does not work as that package does not own /boot/grub/* - nor does any other package |
| 02:36.32 | maher | markmrd: what floppy are you booting? |
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| 02:36.40 | dangerr | i just assumed the ip was 10.0.0.x since thats what all my windows machines assign themselves as |
| 02:36.58 | IDC | How do i check if gtk-2 env. is avaible in my system ? |
| 02:36.59 | markmrd | I created a boot disk, which cintains a kernel then I load a root disk into a ramdisk |
| 02:37.10 | Guerin | ninereeds: update-grub |
| 02:37.39 | Guerin | ninereeds: if you'd either read the grub manpage or installed and read grub-doc, you'd know this |
| 02:38.06 | maher | markmrd: how did you create the boot disk? |
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| 02:38.22 | markmrd | followed the Pocket Linux guide on tldp.org |
| 02:38.36 | maher | markmrd: does the guide say how to do what you want? |
| 02:38.49 | markmrd | it works fine - but I don't seem to be able to acess the harddisk |
| 02:38.52 | ninereeds | Guerin, hmm, i guess you are right. but i was looking in the wrong direction |
| 02:38.55 | markmrd | maher: nope |
| 02:38.59 | ninereeds | Guerin, thanks, though :) |
| 02:39.18 | markmrd | maher: I also looked at the boot-disk howto but it doesn't say anything either |
| 02:39.20 | Guerin | ninereeds: it's a file which is actually not shipped with the package - it's only created when you first run update-grub |
| 02:39.30 | Guerin | it IS a strange one :) |
| 02:39.31 | maher | markmrd: do you really need to do this with this boot disk |
| 02:39.41 | Spods | hello |
| 02:40.07 | markmrd | I want to run fdisk, but fdisk requres a device as a command line parameter, so I need a valid device file but I don't seem to be able to make one, I am stuck. |
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| 02:40.21 | ninereeds | Guerin, you wouldn't happen to know why Knoppix:/# grub-install /dev/hda \n The file /boot/grub/stage1 not read correctly. \n Knoppix:/# would happen? and no, i am not using knoppix, it is just my rescue cd |
| 02:40.31 | acid-trip | does any one know anything about irssi |
| 02:40.45 | maher | markmrd: use toms root boot disk |
| 02:40.51 | ninereeds | !anyone |
| 02:40.51 | dpkg | ***anyone: No such nick/channel - and yes, there probably is someone, somewhere, who knows or runs it; that doesn't mean *I* do. |
| 02:40.55 | ninereeds | acid-trip, #irssi |
| 02:41.03 | Guerin | ninereeds: you chrooted into your drive, right? |
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| 02:41.11 | Spods | im having enormous problems with kernel 2.6.8 on my sarge box, either stock kernel or rolling my own. among other things my intel pro100b wont work, nor will X. anyone familiar with the caveats of 2.6.8 |
| 02:41.15 | Spods | ? |
| 02:41.16 | Guerin | acid-trip: the irssi devs know a little bit about it |
| 02:41.25 | acid-trip | thanks |
| 02:41.30 | ninereeds | Guerin, mount -o rw,dev && chroot && mount -t proc /proc /proc, yes |
| 02:41.34 | Guerin | you're most welcome |
| 02:42.26 | Guerin | ninereeds: ok, that's the most common problem right there... nodev and no /proc. I'm not at all familiar with grub's error messages, it having always Just Worked for me. |
| 02:42.32 | markmrd | maher: thanks, I guess I could - but I want to figure out why I can't do it and learn what I am doing wrong |
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| 02:42.39 | Guerin | ninereeds: you appear to have done it right, I mean. |
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| 02:42.54 | maher | markmrd: i dunno - there's a million and one reasons why it might not work |
| 02:42.59 | IDC | if i have used dpkg -i 1.deb,how do i uninstall it and recall the previous settings to system ? |
| 02:43.09 | ninereeds | Guerin, that's what i didn't want to hear.. :/ |
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| 02:43.16 | Guerin | heh |
| 02:43.17 | maher | IDC: you can remove it with dpkg or apt |
| 02:43.23 | herbi_ | hi guys |
| 02:43.28 | herbi_ | do you need scsi cdrom support to get usb cdrom drives working? |
| 02:43.32 | IDC | maher, apt-get remove --purge 1.deb ? |
| 02:43.34 | markmrd | maher: does this sound right mknod hda b 3 0 for making the dev file? |
| 02:43.47 | stew | IDC: there is no way to restore previous settings |
| 02:43.53 | markmrd | maher: is there something else I need to do to make the dev file? |
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| 02:43.59 | maher | IDC: that will remove the deb and config - it won't restore the old config which is probably gone forever |
| 02:44.08 | IDC | oh |
| 02:44.34 | Guerin | and since it's Cinco de Mayo today, that will involve much mexican food and tequila later this afternoon |
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| 02:44.39 | stew | IDC: can you restore you previous settings from backup? |
| 02:44.39 | maher | markmrd: i always use MAKEDEV - but i guess that calls mknod - read MAKEDEV and see what it does |
| 02:44.46 | herbi_ | Guerin: do you know? |
| 02:45.00 | Guerin | herbi_: I don't know what I have to know |
| 02:45.07 | Guerin | oh |
| 02:45.09 | herbi_ | i cant seem to find anything specific on the issue as it generally relies on automagic |
| 02:45.19 | maher | IDC: a nice deb would have copied the old config to foo.old or something |
| 02:45.23 | ninereeds | Guerin, so.. no ideas? |
| 02:45.41 | maher | herbi_: yes |
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| 02:45.49 | Guerin | herbi_: I'm not sure about usb cdrom drives... I have one, but I've never used it with linux since the drive is actually in a case |
| 02:45.58 | IDC | stew, my system doesnt have any problem :) |
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| 02:46.03 | Guerin | ninereeds: no. grub-doc might help, but it's a big read |
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| 02:46.25 | IDC | I just wanted to know if with '--purge' arg will clean up the config from the file install :) i see,thanks |
| 02:46.29 | herbi_ | maher: ah ok thanks |
| 02:46.48 | herbi_ | maher: do you know what module that specifically is? scsi_mod? sg? |
| 02:46.59 | Spods | when i do ifup eth0 i get "SIOCSIFADDR: No such device" and "eth0: Error when getting interface flags: no such device" even though the interface is defined in /etc/networking/interfaces |
| 02:47.07 | IDC | can anyone remember a tool named 'zinc' or something for yahoo chating ? |
| 02:47.21 | maher | herbi_: are you using hotplug? it should just load them |
| 02:47.22 | IDC | it starts with 'zi??' |
| 02:47.33 | Spods | this is only on 2.6.8-[4-13] on my sarge box, 2.4.x works fine |
| 02:47.47 | maher | Spods: load the driver |
| 02:47.50 | Vladi | can anyone tell me how i can use the kde snap feature when moving superkaramba objects ALT + left click does not work on them? |
| 02:47.51 | herbi_ | maher: nope. this is a sort of...embedded system |
| 02:47.52 | herbi_ | compelx. |
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| 02:47.59 | maher | herbi_: sd_mod |
| 02:48.23 | maher | herbi_: sr_mod |
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| 02:48.46 | herbi_ | maher: ta. modinfo doesnt have description for anything but sg :/ |
| 02:48.53 | maher | herbi_: sd_mod is fixed sr is removable iirc |
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| 02:50.44 | Spods | maher: i try, but if i run insmod or lsmod i get "[lsmod or insmod]: QM_MODULES: Function not implemented |
| 02:50.48 | Spods | " |
| 02:51.02 | zignig | bleh! |
| 02:51.11 | maher | Spods: install module-init-tools |
| 02:51.46 | Guerin | !bless Guerin |
| 02:51.47 | dpkg | O $DEITY, bless your child Guerin, who is about to do something stupid and needs all the help you can give. Amen. |
| 02:51.50 | Spods | maher: is that a 2.6 specific module package? |
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| 02:52.04 | polok | how can I reverse a string in bash scripting? |
| 02:52.04 | zignig | has anyone else come across pppoe taking up all the processor from time to time ? |
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| 02:52.12 | Guerin | ... that being, finishing the sarge upgrade while still under the influence |
| 02:52.12 | maher | Spods: no - they changed the module interfaces for 2.6 - you need new tools to talk to them |
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| 02:52.45 | Xenguy | polok: gee, I'm sure I just read a way to do something similar in the last day or two... |
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| 02:53.02 | Spods | maher: thanks, will reboot the box back in to 2.4, download the package then reboot back in to 2.6. Should i load it before or after i boot to 2.6? |
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| 02:53.03 | Xenguy | polok: sed might be able to do it |
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| 02:53.28 | michal_ | does anyone know of a debian package that is specifically for extracting utl's from text files? |
| 02:53.31 | maher | Spods: before |
| 02:53.47 | polok | Xenguy: was the former sentence facetious or legit? |
| 02:53.50 | Spods | maher: thanks, brb. |
| 02:54.02 | Guerin | polok: rev |
| 02:54.10 | Guerin | sed can do anything |
| 02:54.15 | Xenguy | polok: I'm serious |
| 02:54.17 | Guerin | but rev is easier in your case |
| 02:54.23 | michal_ | i don't want anything.. just extracting url's |
| 02:54.46 | gravity | Simples manpage I've seen in a long while |
| 02:55.04 | ninereeds | i think i might have narrowed it down a bit |
| 02:55.15 | polok | ta |
| 02:55.17 | ninereeds | grub does not detect the partition to be ext3 |
| 02:55.45 | ninereeds | but mount does detect that |
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| 02:56.31 | _daniel_ | Hi i did something really stupid |
| 02:56.37 | _daniel_ | I had everything set up |
| 02:56.38 | michal_ | i feel like i'm prepetually reinventing the wheel with linux :/ |
| 02:56.50 | _daniel_ | I ranned dist-upgrade to put kde 3.4 |
| 02:56.57 | _daniel_ | Everything is broken know |
| 02:57.04 | _daniel_ | It changed to xorg |
| 02:57.07 | Guerin | michal_: man sed |
| 02:57.10 | Guerin | man awk |
| 02:57.15 | streuner | _daniel_: What does 'dpkg -l libc6 | tail -1' say? |
| 02:57.18 | maher | _daniel_: what version of debian are you running |
| 02:57.20 | Guerin | gome on, it's just patter matching |
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| 02:57.25 | _daniel_ | maher sarge |
| 02:57.34 | maher | _daniel_: where did you get xorg from? |
| 02:57.42 | ninereeds | Guerin, do you know of any way to rebuild the mbr from a backup as with the dos fdisk /mbr? at the very first beginning i dd'ed my old 512 byte image over /dev/hda -- though it should not break anything as i only saved it 20 minutes before, that might be the cause |
| 02:57.52 | streuner | _daniel_: tell us the output of the command i gave you |
| 02:57.57 | michal_ | sed and awk are reinventing the wheel.. i know there are at least 2 utilities in debian that extract links from text files already because i've used them.. i jsut can't seem to find them again |
| 02:57.59 | _daniel_ | I putted this repodeb http://pkg-kde.alioth.debian.org/kde-3.4.0/ ./ |
| 02:58.17 | Guerin | michal_: if you REALLY want to help, once you figure out an awk string which works, you can write it into a shell script and package it up |
| 02:58.17 | _daniel_ | streauner ok I am going to boot debian and use my laptop to be here |
| 02:58.24 | gravity | That's it? The KDE people have X.org in their repo? |
| 02:58.25 | gravity | wtf? |
| 02:58.27 | streuner | _daniel_: ok |
| 02:58.38 | streuner | gravity: fuck, no |
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| 02:59.26 | Guerin | ninereeds: either nuking the mbr or reinstalling from a known-good, and then running grub-install again, might work |
| 02:59.33 | michal_ | Guerin: it will take me too long. it always does.. the work put in is never worth it and i've because extrmely bitter as a result. I already know that manually extracting the links will ultimately be much faster.. thanks anyway though. |
| 03:00.11 | ninereeds | Guerin, nuking as in /dev/zero over it? i would rather prefer not to lose my partiton data completely ;) |
| 03:00.30 | Guerin | ninereeds: i meant with fdisk /mbd in dos |
| 03:00.31 | dangerr | whats a good ftp package? |
| 03:00.33 | Guerin | mbr |
| 03:00.41 | Guerin | dangerr: depends what you mean. |
| 03:00.53 | dangerr | for ftping into var/www and editing files i guess |
| 03:01.00 | Xenguy | dangerr: client or daemon; console or GUI? |
| 03:01.03 | maher | michal_: urlview |
| 03:01.05 | dangerr | daemon |
| 03:01.13 | Guerin | dangerr: so you need both a client and a server. |
| 03:01.14 | dangerr | console preferably |
| 03:01.23 | dangerr | well the client will be on my win box |
| 03:01.25 | Guerin | dangerr: use vsftpd as the server and lftp as the client. |
| 03:01.27 | Guerin | oh |
| 03:01.31 | Guerin | eew |
| 03:01.41 | dangerr | hehe |
| 03:01.45 | Xenguy | dangerr: just use scp then... |
| 03:01.49 | abrotman | will robinson ? |
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| 03:01.49 | dangerr | i cant nano html files... i just cant |
| 03:01.51 | Guerin | what do you mean, 'console preferably'? |
| 03:01.53 | _daniel_ | ok ready |
| 03:01.56 | Xenguy | dangerr: winscp for the client |
| 03:02.00 | _daniel_ | WHat was the command again ? |
| 03:02.02 | Guerin | there's no such thing as a ftpd with gui in unix |
| 03:02.06 | streuner | x |
| 03:02.07 | dangerr | oh ok |
| 03:02.11 | streuner | What does 'dpkg -l libc6 | tail -1' say? |
| 03:02.12 | michal_ | maher: thanks.. i trawled through thousands of packages but somehow I missed it :/ (and i used apt-cache search and grep extensively) |
| 03:02.12 | dangerr | <--- is a super newb |
| 03:02.20 | streuner | !n00b |
| 03:02.20 | dpkg | Don't bother telling us you're a "newb" or a "n00b". We can tell. |
| 03:02.23 | maher | dangerr: you _want_ script kiddies to irc from your box? |
| 03:02.25 | madclicker | what is a "driver proper"? |
| 03:02.26 | dangerr | haha |
| 03:02.42 | dangerr | to irc from? |
| 03:02.46 | _daniel_ | ii libc6 2.3.2.dsi2-21 |
| 03:02.55 | Guerin | dangerr: once they crack their way in using your password |
| 03:03.00 | Guerin | !ftp |
| 03:03.00 | dpkg | [ftp] (File Transfer Protocol) This is a method of moving files from system to system using TCP/IP. There are three sane kinds of ftp: anonymous, encrypted and unprivileged (non-unix users). Unencrypted ftp using unix users will get your box pwn3d as fast as runnin windows on your firewall machine. |
| 03:03.07 | dangerr | they can knock themselves out |
| 03:03.15 | Guerin | dangerr: they will, too. |
| 03:03.29 | dangerr | hmmm |
| 03:03.32 | dangerr | so whats a safer method? |
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| 03:03.39 | maher | dangerr: what's wrong with ssh / scp / sftp |
| 03:03.41 | Guerin | dangerr: safer than what? |
| 03:03.52 | Xenguy | dangerr: if you are the only one needing to transfer files, just use scp/Winscp -- it's secure and painless |
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| 03:03.54 | _daniel_ | maher ? |
| 03:04.02 | dangerr | ok |
| 03:04.04 | _daniel_ | sory streuner |
| 03:04.07 | dangerr | scp/winscp?? |
| 03:04.09 | dangerr | apt-get it? |
| 03:04.12 | Guerin | ftp is safe, given the caveats above |
| 03:04.20 | streuner | _daniel_: /j #flood |
| 03:04.29 | _daniel_ | sorry |
| 03:04.37 | maher | _daniel_: where did you get xorg from? |
| 03:04.40 | Guerin | dangerr: the best way is to shell into your server box, and do all the dev ON that box |
| 03:04.55 | Guerin | using an editor such as GNU emacs for best results :) |
| 03:05.08 | Xenguy | dangerr: apt-get install ssh (on linux); d/l winscp (on d0ze) |
| 03:05.14 | IDC | How can i get java support for firefox in sarge ? |
| 03:05.14 | dangerr | yeah but im a web developer thats most familiar wtih a windows environment |
| 03:05.20 | dangerr | so all my apps and stuff are all windows apps |
| 03:05.22 | _daniel_ | I dunno |
| 03:05.24 | furrywolf | !start an editor war |
| 03:05.24 | dpkg | ae bites |
| 03:05.27 | Guerin | !tell IDC about java-package |
| 03:05.30 | _daniel_ | I just dist-upgraded |
| 03:05.31 | IDC | I would like to have a complete auto finish |
| 03:05.46 | maher | _daniel_: xorg is not in any debian repository |
| 03:05.48 | Guerin | IDC: complain to sun about whatever problems you have. |
| 03:05.53 | streuner | _daniel_: /join #flood and show us your sources.list |
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| 03:06.15 | _daniel_ | are the same as my laptop ok |
| 03:06.19 | michal_ | hmm.. the urlview manpage says that the regexp it uses is (((http|https|ftp|gopher)|mailto):(//)?[^ <>"\t]*|(www|ftp)[0-9]?\.[-a-z0-9.]+)[^ .,;\t\n\r<">\):]?[^, <>"\t]*[^ .,;\t\n\r<">\):] however that doesn't seem to be a regexp that works iwth grep or sed |
| 03:06.26 | IDC | Guerin, thanks |
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| 03:06.37 | Guerin | michal_: it might be perl... |
| 03:06.50 | Guerin | michal_: try iw qith grep -P |
| 03:06.58 | eob84 | how do I run a shell script at boot? |
| 03:07.16 | michal_ | maybe i need to escape it in the shell ? |
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| 03:07.45 | Guerin | eob84: man update-rc.d |
| 03:07.56 | maher | eob84: make a script in /etc/init.d and link to it from rcS.d |
| 03:08.21 | eob84 | ok |
| 03:08.23 | eob84 | thanx |
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| 03:08.44 | dangerr | so when i ssh in i just use a username/pass that is on the box? |
| 03:08.58 | tracer | Can you specify multiple --desitnation-port(s) for a single rule using iptables? |
| 03:09.12 | cafuego | hack teh gibson! |
| 03:09.21 | _daniel_ | there is my apt sources list on #flood |
| 03:09.27 | tracer | dangerr: i belive its ssh user@host then type the pass |
| 03:09.31 | Spods | maher: i can now control modules, but the eepro100 driver is still giving me problems. Now I have "eepro100: Unknown symbol mii_ethtool_sset" "eepro100: Unknown symbol mii_link_ok" etc |
| 03:09.39 | Guerin | cafuego: did anyone hack your gibson yet? |
| 03:09.50 | Guerin | dangerr: yes |
| 03:09.52 | cafuego | tracer: yes, I'm pretty sure you can apss a comma delimited list or a range (20,21,22,25 or 20-22,25) |
| 03:09.58 | Spods | and the boot wasn't clean, the net card modules weren't the only modules that complained |
| 03:10.21 | tracer | cafuego: i did try the comma deli ones and it blew up... |
| 03:10.30 | Guerin | dangerr: the smart money is not to write directly to /var/www, but to have a holding patter from which you can move files as you need them |
| 03:10.44 | michal_ | can anyone see if there's anything wrong with (((http|https|ftp|gopher)|mailto):(//)?[^ <>"\t]*|(www|ftp)[0-9]?\.[-a-z0-9.]+)[^ .,;\t\n\r<">\):]?[^, <>"\t]*[^ .,;\t\n\r<">\):] ? |
| 03:10.55 | tracer | yes, that seems wrong |
| 03:10.57 | michal_ | doesn't work with grep, perl, awk, sed |
| 03:10.58 | maher | Spods: are you using a standard kernel |
| 03:11.06 | cafuego | tracer: Hmm. Maybe you need a '-m multiport' there too. |
| 03:11.07 | IDC | Guerin, i checked, nothing found about 'j2se-package' but a 'java-package' is available via apt-get |
| 03:11.18 | Guerin | yeah, java-package is it |
| 03:11.22 | caphuso | michal_: seems to be right |
| 03:11.25 | Spods | yep, the latest 2.6.8-13 as of last weekend, under sarge |
| 03:11.29 | tracer | cafuego: thanks for the hint, ill look through man for that |
| 03:11.43 | michal_ | caphuso: when passing it to those utils do i need to escape it? |
| 03:11.44 | cafuego | michal_: Any sufficiently convoluted regex is indistinguishable from magic. |
| 03:11.57 | cafuego | michal_: What's it supposed to do? |
| 03:12.04 | caphuso | michal_: put ' ' around it |
| 03:12.07 | IDC | Guerin, sorry,but if in stall it a,along with alot other stuff <which i dont like >,by then is it a challenge to get java work on sarge ? |
| 03:12.12 | IDC | in > i |
| 03:12.14 | michal_ | cafuego: isn't it obvious? :) it extracts urls |
| 03:12.15 | maher | Spods: and you are using modprobe to load the drivers from the standard kernel? |
| 03:12.17 | caphuso | michal_: and you need grep -E |
| 03:12.30 | tracer | cafuego: ahh, yeah, the command is --soure-ports, with the s.. thanks |
| 03:12.33 | eob84 | thanx guys that worked great |
| 03:12.35 | cafuego | michal_: just URLs or also hostnames? |
| 03:12.42 | cafuego | tracer: ahaa! ;-0 |
| 03:12.45 | Guerin | IDC: depends what you consider to be a challenge. It's the easiest way, by far, to get java working in linux, short of using a non-free distro. |
| 03:12.55 | caphuso | cafuego: it's what URLs. it's the urlview regexp |
| 03:13.01 | michal_ | cafuego: i thought a host was part of the url |
| 03:13.02 | IDC | Guerin, cool,let me try it :) |
| 03:13.11 | caphuso | err, s/it's what// |
| 03:13.18 | michal_ | actually.. grep is not what i need.. that extracts the entire line |
| 03:13.28 | cafuego | michal_: it is indeed. |
| 03:13.28 | maher | michal_: you want sed |
| 03:13.41 | Guerin | awk! awk! |
| 03:13.41 | caphuso | i doubt that sed understands that regexp |
| 03:13.49 | Guerin | you need perl :) |
| 03:13.50 | maher | michal_: but also perl and python do this just fine too |
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| 03:14.08 | Dr-Linux | whats command to add one more interface ? in debain |
| 03:14.09 | Dr-Linux | ? |
| 03:14.12 | michal_ | sed -r doesn't seem to like it |
| 03:14.23 | Guerin | Dr-Linux: wjhat kind of interface? |
| 03:14.26 | maher | Dr-Linux: edit /etc/network/interfaces or use etherconf |
| 03:14.34 | cafuego | [http|https|news|ftp|mailto|gopher]+://[^ >\n\t]+) |
| 03:14.42 | Xenguy | maher: how would sed do the extraction tho? (now I'm curious about this problem) |
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| 03:14.49 | cafuego | michal_: That's what I use. |
| 03:14.59 | caphuso | cafuego: what regexp dialect is that? |
| 03:15.06 | michal_ | sed: -e expression #1, char 1: unknown command: `(' |
| 03:15.19 | cafuego | caphuso: PHP's eregi-replace uses that. |
| 03:15.22 | maher | Xenguy: in the regex you can group things so one group is the bit you want and then just spit out that group |
| 03:15.23 | Dr-Linux | maher: i need to add one more ip |
| 03:15.28 | BadMan | <PROTECTED> |
| 03:15.34 | caphuso | Xenguy: s/// command |
| 03:15.42 | maher | Dr-Linux: di you try using etherconf |
| 03:15.42 | Spods | maher: 'modprobe eepro100' and 'insmod /lib/modules/2.6.8/kernel/drivers/net/eepro100.ko' both give similar messages |
| 03:15.46 | caphuso | cafuego: yuck |
| 03:15.55 | madclicker | what protection would i need to install to protect a standalone web/dns/mailserver? |
| 03:15.57 | cafuego | caphuso: it's short and it works. |
| 03:16.05 | Guerin | madclicker: a competent admin |
| 03:16.12 | cafuego | madclicker: Admin with baseball bat. |
| 03:16.22 | maher | Spods: hmm... somethings not right... |
| 03:16.29 | caphuso | cafuego: why for god's sake does it use [] for both character classes and grouping? |
| 03:16.36 | Dr-Linux | maher: i just wanna add it with command |
| 03:16.46 | madclicker | Guerin: any usefull software to prevent the system from abuse? |
| 03:16.48 | cafuego | caphuso: Why not? |
| 03:16.50 | Guerin | Dr-Linux: man ifconfig |
| 03:16.50 | Spods | maher: yes, I can see that ;) |
| 03:16.52 | Dr-Linux | something like IP netmaks etc .. |
| 03:16.53 | Dr-Linux | route add |
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| 03:17.00 | maher | Dr-Linux: man ifconfig |
| 03:17.04 | Xenguy | maher: hrm, can you give a short example of that - it sounds useful, but I can't quite see it in my mind's eye yet |
| 03:17.35 | cafuego | Hmm, lunch. |
| 03:17.38 | concept10 | what is the best file system to share between linux and winxp? |
| 03:17.40 | Xenguy | maher: or do you mean greping, then using sed? |
| 03:18.06 | Spods | concept10: probably fat32, or vfat under linux |
| 03:18.16 | Guerin | madclicker: debian is pretty secure ootb. Just make sure you get your security updates in, don't run anything you don't need, watch your logs, and don't allow any credentials in or out in cleartext |
| 03:18.57 | concept10 | what is the code to format fat32 in fdisk? |
| 03:19.03 | Spods | concept10: let me clarify that, the fat32 filesystem under winxp, the driver for which under linux is called vfat |
| 03:19.06 | Guerin | madclicker: you want me to talk about firewalls, don't you? |
| 03:19.32 | Spods | concept10: who's fdisk, windows or linux? |
| 03:19.45 | Xenguy | madclicker: read the security howto on debian.org -- lots of good tips |
| 03:19.46 | concept10 | Spods: thanks, thats what I though. Do you know the FS code for fdisk (linux) |
| 03:20.04 | michal_ | if i have an ethernet device connected to a computer.. how can i tell what it's MAC address is.. assuming that the ONLY thing I know is that when I plug the cable in I get a link (no tcp/ip) |
| 03:20.13 | madclicker | Guerin: firewalls are good for a gateway system, but i need to know about port abuse and such. I use to use portsentry long time ago |
| 03:20.39 | Xenguy | madclicker: ippl is useful, as is logcheck |
| 03:20.57 | madclicker | Xenguy: thats a greate tip, thanks |
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| 03:21.12 | Xenguy | madclicker: I also run 'chkrootkit' and 'rkhunter' as daily cron jobs |
| 03:21.20 | Xenguy | madclicker: yw |
| 03:21.39 | Guerin | daily? |
| 03:21.39 | madclicker | Xenguy: is it simular to tripwire? |
| 03:21.46 | concept10 | spods: nevermind |
| 03:21.54 | michal_ | any uideas? i'm trying to determine whether the router at the other end of the cable is still alive or not |
| 03:21.59 | Xenguy | madclicker: tripwire is different |
| 03:22.25 | IDC | I installed 'make-jpkg',then i downloaded 'jre-1_5_0_01-linux-i586.bin' from sun,now i just run 'make-jpkg jre-1_5_0_01-linux-i586.bin' ? |
| 03:23.00 | Guerin | IDC: 1 |
| 03:23.00 | maher | IDC: no - read the docs in /usr/share/doc/whatever and man whatever |
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| 03:23.19 | IDC | hmm |
| 03:23.29 | Guerin | you either need to be root or fakeroot |
| 03:23.32 | streuner | maher: take a look in #flood |
| 03:23.52 | Spods | concept10: i cheat a little and use cfdisk under debian, it's a little quicker if your not 100% under fdisk |
| 03:24.09 | michal_ | god i hate networking :( |
| 03:24.14 | Xenguy | maher: so no quick example on how to extract URL's with sed then? |
| 03:24.29 | Spods | concept10: but i've found the Linux+WindowsNT Howto at http://dc.qut.edu.au/LDP/HOWTO/Linux+WinNT.html that may have the answer for youj |
| 03:24.59 | maher | streuner: someones system is messed up |
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| 03:25.18 | streuner | maher: yeah, he use unofficial sources |
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| 03:26.42 | tracer | Is there a way to specify wildcards in the /etc/host file delerations? |
| 03:26.46 | maher | Xenguy: http://www.selectorweb.com/sed_tutorial.html#regular_expressions |
| 03:27.00 | Xenguy | maher: my thanks :-) |
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| 03:27.27 | maher | Xenguy: it has a groups example |
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| 03:28.32 | Spods | concept10: it was easier to look up cfdisk codes then search google (maybe i was searching for the wrong criteria). The code you want is either 0B (W95 Fat32) or more likely 0C (W95 Fat32 (LBA)) |
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| 03:29.14 | Guerin | wow, woody -> sarge completed without any problems on my horribly confused system... now it's just a matter of making sure shit still works |
| 03:29.37 | Spods | concept10: alternatively you can let winxp install ntfs and convert it back with partition magic if you have it |
| 03:29.40 | concept10 | Spods: I got it, formatted it fat32, now im having trounble mounting it. I used: mount -t vfat /dev/sda1 /mnt/external and got an error |
| 03:30.06 | Spods | what kind of error? |
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| 03:30.29 | concept10 | Spods: mount: wrong fs type, bad option, bad superblock on /dev/sda1, |
| 03:30.31 | concept10 | <PROTECTED> |
| 03:30.54 | drini | did you actually creadted the filesystem with mkfs.vfat ? |
| 03:31.14 | concept10 | drini: oops forgot that one |
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| 03:32.08 | concept10 | how do I makefs for sda1 ? makefs /dev/sda1 ? |
| 03:32.16 | Spods | concept10: where is your debian boot partition? if your going to have winxp boot to /dev/sda1 where's debian? on a ide disk perhaps? |
| 03:32.17 | drini | mkfs.vfat /dev/sda1 |
| 03:32.27 | drini | mkfs.vfat -F32 /dev/sda1 |
| 03:32.28 | Guerin | concept10: mkfs.filesystemyouwant |
| 03:32.30 | drini | something like that |
| 03:32.35 | drini | by defualt it does 16bit fat |
| 03:32.52 | concept10 | Spods: this is a external drive, linux already installed |
| 03:32.58 | drini | I'm not in linux right now so I can't check |
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| 03:33.10 | IDC | Guerin, Thanks a lot,the Debian-way of installing java support is way to easy and reasonable :) working fine |
| 03:33.47 | Spods | concept10: ?? xp is installed on an external drive or debian is? |
| 03:33.55 | Xenguy | maher: sorry, I just don't get what *concept* you are referring to. I know a fair bit of matching with sed, and I know about \(foo\) and backreferences, but I'm missing something more *general* about the approach you have in mind for the *extraction* (not the matching) part |
| 03:34.51 | bob2 | you can't extract urls with a regexp, in general |
| 03:34.54 | bob2 | not without pcre, anyway |
| 03:35.09 | michal_ | is there any utility for linux that can tell me the MAC address of a connected device? |
| 03:35.29 | bob2 | michal_: you mean not the one you're running the command on? |
| 03:35.41 | bob2 | then you can poke the arp cache with 'arp -a' |
| 03:35.45 | concept10 | Spods: I got it now, I have linux on internal drive, dual boot with xp, I was trying to format and mount external usb drive - its mounted now, I did mkfs and ran mount again. Thanks for the help guys |
| 03:35.46 | michal_ | bob2: yes.. the one on the other end of the cable to the one i am running the command on |
| 03:35.58 | bob2 | arp -a, then |
| 03:36.01 | michal_ | bob2: doesn't that assume tcp/ip is available |
| 03:36.12 | bob2 | it assumes ip is, indeed |
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| 03:36.29 | concept10 | Spods: now I need to edit fstab |
| 03:36.31 | michal_ | i'm after something that doesn't rely on ip |
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| 03:36.42 | bob2 | I don't think that's possible |
| 03:36.46 | Spods | concept10: fair enuff, go for it |
| 03:37.03 | Xenguy | maher: anyhow, I just spent some hours learning about shell functions in order to do a trivial bit of transformation, so I'm pretty much fed up with problem-solving for one day -- I'm going to sleep ;-) |
| 03:37.21 | bob2 | Xenguy: there's an existing tool to extract urls from strings |
| 03:37.22 | Delph | michal_: if you're not talking IP, then what are you taling, and can you use whatever protocol's MAC -> address resolution tools to find it out? |
| 03:37.37 | michal_ | bob2: i'm trying to find out if the device at the other end of the cable is alive.. and as far as i can tell the link is up but no tcp/ip |
| 03:37.45 | Xenguy | bob2: urlview, or a perl module, or something else? |
| 03:37.46 | maher | Xenguy: just a minute... |
| 03:37.51 | Xenguy | maher: K |
| 03:37.59 | bob2 | michal_: mii-tool will tell you if the link is up or not |
| 03:38.10 | bob2 | assuming your card supports mii, which everything since 1970 should |
| 03:38.18 | michal_ | bob2: well it reports tyhat a link is up so i believe it.. and the light goes on |
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| 03:38.46 | michal_ | bob2: actually i have a 4 port sun card which doesn't seem to support mii-tool.. but this sin't it :P |
| 03:39.09 | bob2 | hah |
| 03:39.17 | maher | Xenguy: re.search("(.*<a href=javascript:process\(\')(.*)(\'\)>.*)", line).group(2) <-- this is how you do it python |
| 03:39.25 | bob2 | Xenguy: urlview, iirc |
| 03:39.34 | Xenguy | bob2: tx |
| 03:39.41 | michal_ | urlview isn't so useful though |
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| 03:40.01 | michal_ | it lets you execute a command on a url at a time.. not extract the url's to a file or pipe them onwards |
| 03:40.30 | bob2 | oh, that's crap |
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| 03:40.48 | michal_ | heh.. SIOCGMIIPHY on eth0 failed: Bad address |
| 03:40.58 | Xenguy | michal_: after all this hassle, if it were me, I'd just grep the lines to a file, create a macro with my trusty editor, and be done with it ;-) |
| 03:41.13 | challenged | are there any gui's for squid.conf setups? |
| 03:41.17 | bob2 | no |
| 03:41.31 | challenged | bah...kk gogo vi |
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| 03:41.31 | michal_ | Xenguy, i remarked something simliar earlier.. cutting and pasting would probably have been just as fast but more productive |
| 03:42.04 | Xenguy | maher: OK, sorry, I thought you were talking about using 'sed', so I was confused about that |
| 03:42.22 | Spods | i grew up in a suburb called kingsley |
| 03:42.30 | michal_ | doh.. gotta run.. i'll get back to this when I can later :/ thanks for the help though |
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| 03:42.48 | maher | Xenguy: i'm sure you can do it in sed - i just couldn't find an example - and I'm having problems doing it atm |
| 03:42.55 | cafuego | kingsley ... sounds like non-melbourne |
| 03:43.13 | Spods | sounds like non-melbourne indeed |
| 03:43.14 | Xenguy | maher: well, bob2 is saying urlview can do it, but I just don't know how offhand -- if you could figure it out, it would be a good technique to know for the future |
| 03:43.18 | Spods | sounds like perth |
| 03:43.23 | maher | Xenguy: sed -e 's/\(a\)\(b\)/\1/' |
| 03:43.29 | cafuego | Which side of Perth? |
| 03:43.30 | Xenguy | maher: no problem, thanks for trying :-) |
| 03:43.34 | kingsley | Spods: Very good. |
| 03:43.35 | maher | Xenguy: i was forgetting to \ out the ('s |
| 03:43.42 | Xenguy | ahh |
| 03:43.43 | cafuego | Actually... Perth, WA or Perth, TAS? ;-) |
| 03:44.10 | kingsley | cafuego: "Kingsley" is an English name and means "from the King's meadow". |
| 03:44.13 | maher | Xenguy: all the major regex's can group |
| 03:44.14 | challenged | hmm anything other than apt-get installl squid i should be worried about? |
| 03:44.22 | Spods | cafuego: perth: iowa and perth: scotland as well |
| 03:44.39 | Xenguy | maher: I see better what you mean now, thanks ( cafuego had a similar idea IIRC) |
| 03:44.48 | cafuego | Spods: No, I only count real countries, not ones full of whingeing poms and idiots ;-) |
| 03:44.54 | Spods | i grew up in the northern suburbs of perth, kingsley, greenwood, duncraig etc |
| 03:45.31 | Spods | cafuego: hehe, i bet the poms and sepos'd think the same thing as you ;) |
| 03:45.32 | Xenguy | maher: tx again, gotta catch some ZZZ's at this point |
| 03:45.43 | kingsley | Spods: Growing up near Kingsley must explain your superior intellect. |
| 03:45.54 | cafuego | Spods: if that means they have nothing to do with me, I'm happy ;-) |
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| 03:47.21 | Spods | cafuego: im living in the east of perth atm, not a stone's throw from n. perth |
| 03:48.15 | Spods | kingsley: i only wish, i'm as dumb as post. i still enjoyed growing up there tho. |
| 03:48.35 | Xenguy | michal_: urlview works! |
| 03:48.36 | cafuego | Spods: I've been in melbourne for years now. |
| 03:48.38 | simonrvn | yeh, posts are rather quiet |
| 03:48.42 | challenged | cafuego: your aussie? |
| 03:48.53 | simonrvn | no, his |
| 03:48.57 | Xenguy | michal_: just this worked for me -> urlview *html |
| 03:49.02 | swatikiss | aLBerT, just msg me bout some porn thingy.... can i block him somehow ? |
| 03:49.06 | Spods | cafuego: where in melbourne? i used to work there for GE |
| 03:49.07 | cafuego | challenged: My spelling ability should hopefully indicate otherwise. |
| 03:49.08 | challenged | cafuego: im melbourne too 8) |
| 03:49.10 | simonrvn | swatikiss: /topic |
| 03:49.17 | cafuego | Spods: West melbourne, just outside the CBD. |
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| 03:49.46 | simonrvn | plonk |
| 03:49.48 | swatikiss | simonrvn, k, thanks :P |
| 03:49.56 | cafuego | !plonk simonrvn |
| 03:50.11 | challenged | cafuego: hehe it's the internet.....spellcheck isnt part of the tcp/ip stack last i looked hehehe....( iwas born in england and cam to melb at 6 yrs old or so |
| 03:50.38 | cafuego | challenged: the aussie schooling system has a lot to answer for (I'm dutch and came over in '96) |
| 03:50.44 | challenged | cafuego: Flemington? |
| 03:51.15 | cafuego | challenged: No, west melbiurne the suburb (it exists!) - it's in between the CBD and docklands basically. |
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| 03:51.22 | Spods | cafuego: how so? |
| 03:51.27 | challenged | cafuego: haha i met a friends a few weeks back....is also dutch.....must be dutch season |
| 03:51.44 | cafuego | challenged: All I seem to meet here is bloody germans <heh> |
| 03:51.50 | MobyTurbo | I live in New Amsterdam, does that count? |
| 03:51.56 | cafuego | Spods: The level of spelling ability is appaling |
| 03:51.57 | challenged | cafuego: hehe know it well.....im sunshine hehe |
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| 03:52.11 | simonrvn | and me in new france (...) |
| 03:52.13 | cafuego | s/l/ll/ |
| 03:52.26 | cafuego | MobyTurbo: New Holland here, muaha |
| 03:52.39 | Spods | cafuego: generally, or just within the schools you've attended? |
| 03:53.21 | MobyTurbo | cafuego: I wasn't aware that the Dutch established colonies down under |
| 03:53.27 | cafuego | Spods: generally, i've not attended any schools here. Finished uni before I eloped |
| 03:53.44 | cafuego | MobyTurbo: that doesn't mean we didn't find it first |
| 03:53.57 | Spods | mobyturbo: they didn't, although they did leave us some really nice antique ships of the coast of WA (they sank) |
| 03:54.20 | cafuego | MobyTurbo: the dutch found it first, but didn't find any trading partners,. so weren't particularly interested. |
| 03:54.41 | seven_six_two | My system crashed while burning a dvd. k3b shutdown and ls at console said "illegal command". my kicker panel then died and my screen went black except for a frozen mouse pointer. I pasted sections of log to http://rafb.net/paste/results/fU9Xwl75.html Does anyone know what this is caused by? I've had this error before but never found any info on it |
| 03:54.55 | Spods | and there were other nations that came, that couldn't find land worth using (too baren in most parts) |
| 03:55.01 | MobyTurbo | cafuego: ah, I see |
| 03:55.41 | cafuego | MobyTurbo: same goes for new zealand. In south america, indonesia and the continental SU they traded, thus had colonies. |
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| 03:55.55 | Spods | cafuego: i think the native australians would differ with that account of history ;) |
| 03:56.42 | MobyTurbo | the English, on the other hand, didn't care, as long as they could raise the British flag somewhere. ;-) |
| 03:57.12 | cafuego | Spods: Oh, there was the odd bit of killing, but overall nowhere near as bad as the british. |
| 03:57.17 | streuner | Spods: what are 'native' australians? |
| 03:57.49 | bob2 | streuner: the aboriginal people who lived here for 40 000 years before the english showed up |
| 03:57.50 | cafuego | streuner: ANyone whose ancestors were here before 1700? |
| 03:57.57 | Spods | mobyturbo: well actually they wanted somewhere to punish they're crims. I don't know if that worked or not. |
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| 03:58.15 | Spods | streuner: dinosaurs, then the aborignal peoples of australia |
| 03:58.55 | MobyTurbo | Spods: that was the case for OZ, but many of the other royal colonies seemed to be established simply to have the sun never set on the british empire. ;-) |
| 03:59.02 | Spods | streuner: they came from what is now known as africa, as the two continents were joined at that point (i think) |
| 03:59.12 | simonrvn | ...because the sun didn't trust it |
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| 03:59.56 | simonrvn | Spods: um, no |
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| 04:00.15 | simonrvn | africa and .au were not joined 40 000 years ago |
| 04:00.38 | liable | it is even debatable whether the aboriginals where the first here |
| 04:00.48 | simonrvn | i can tolerate the bad spelling, but bad info... |
| 04:01.04 | Spods | well it's been a while since i studied this stuff |
| 04:01.08 | cafuego | Spods: That was well over 400 million years ago. |
| 04:01.38 | MobyTurbo | 40,000 years from Africa to Australia - that's some plate tectonics. |
| 04:01.57 | cafuego | MobyTurbo: plate billiards! |
| 04:02.00 | Spods | i wouldn't call my self the definitive expert ;P |
| 04:02.10 | cafuego | no wonder indonesia is still going off ;-) |
| 04:02.16 | simonrvn | MobyTurbo: damn freaking fast plates |
| 04:02.22 | simonrvn | ;p |
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| 04:02.39 | Erpo | Hi all. When I insert my usb flash device, an icon does not appear on my desktop automatically. How can I fix this? I've got hald and gnome-volume-manager running. |
| 04:02.53 | doub | simonrvn: using POWER architecture, no need to search far. ;) |
| 04:03.04 | simonrvn | *groan* |
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| 04:04.47 | streuner | cafuego: http://de.wikipedia.org/wiki/Australien_(Staat)#Entdeckung |
| 04:04.57 | dangerr | now this is strange, i rebooted my debian box, now its back up, and now i cant ping it from my other machines |
| 04:05.04 | dangerr | even thoguh according to ifconfig the IP is still the same |
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| 04:05.26 | doub | dangerr: is the cable working? |
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| 04:05.34 | Morvok | is the hppa 2.0 64bit userland? |
| 04:05.53 | dangerr | yeah, because i booted up startx and firefox and i can see other websites |
| 04:06.05 | Spods | dangerr: got a firewall running? |
| 04:06.46 | doub | dangerr: have you got multiple interfaces? like, driver load order may have changed, switching ips |
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| 04:08.23 | dangerr | hmmm |
| 04:08.26 | dangerr | nope no firewall |
| 04:08.29 | madclicker | g'night |
| 04:08.49 | dangerr | doub, im not sure entirely what that is, all i did was install php and reboot |
| 04:09.24 | doub | dangerr: one thing you can try is tcpdump |
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| 04:09.30 | dangerr | okay |
| 04:09.40 | doub | dangerr: it may yeld the source of the problem. another one is arping |
| 04:09.58 | Spods | dangerr: you can get to other websites, but can you get to the other boxes? |
| 04:10.14 | Spods | dangerr: from you debian, i meant |
| 04:10.19 | sciboy | Hi, i am looking to get all my applications (OSS and ALSA) work with software mixing. |
| 04:10.40 | doub | that's a good idea |
| 04:10.49 | dangerr | well |
| 04:10.52 | dangerr | i can get to other websites |
| 04:11.00 | dangerr | i havent tried pinging any of my windows boxes from it |
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| 04:11.04 | omnistegan | hey guys |
| 04:11.20 | Spods | dangerr: try, even try using smbclient to connect to windows boxes |
| 04:11.28 | Spods | aswell |
| 04:11.31 | Guerin | sciboy: dmix |
| 04:11.47 | sciboy | Guerin: AOSS didn't work on some of my applications =/ |
| 04:11.51 | doub | omnistegan: there are girls here also, at least some times. but welcome anyway |
| 04:12.05 | sciboy | Guerin: More specifically the application that is the whole reason i am trying to get software mixing working. |
| 04:12.06 | Guerin | sciboy: alsa's oss emulation should work transparently. |
| 04:12.40 | sciboy | Guerin: I tried to get it working with AOSS but it goes mute on me. |
| 04:12.57 | sciboy | Guerin: But otherwise if i do it normally it hogs the soundcard =/ |
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| 04:13.41 | dangerr | hmmmm when i did ping (my windowsbox) linux said "ping: sendmsg: Operation not permitted" |
| 04:14.13 | doub | dangerr: you have iptables configured, in some way |
| 04:14.17 | Spods | dangerr: ok, well i don't use iptables, but that sounds like a restriction from a firewall |
| 04:14.30 | omnistegan | So heres the deal, I was out today and my ISP decided to call my dad and explain to him that I'm running a movie sharing website off my computer (which I'm not) bUt the 40Gb of upward bandwidth made them think that. So they bitched at my dad and are gonna start charging another $15 a month, funfun |
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| 04:15.04 | doleyb | omnistegan: how'd you get that usage? |
| 04:15.11 | dangerr | ohh |
| 04:15.15 | dangerr | iptables = a firewall? |
| 04:15.16 | omnistegan | doleyb, I run a website, a legal one |
| 04:15.19 | Guerin | omnistegan: read your TOS |
| 04:15.24 | dangerr | heh heh |
| 04:15.38 | Spods | dangerr: yes, iptables is one of many firewalls you can use under linux |
| 04:15.40 | Guerin | omnistegan: are you allowed to run servers from your home box? |
| 04:15.43 | dangerr | youre right, iptables is configured, can i shut it off? |
| 04:15.45 | doub | dangerr: yes, it's linux's integrated firewall |
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| 04:15.56 | doub | dangerr: at least since 2.4 |
| 04:16.01 | omnistegan | Guerin, technically yes, but only up to 2GB bandwidth a month, like i said, i was at 40 |
| 04:16.07 | dangerr | 2.4 |
| 04:16.10 | sanxiyn | omnistegan: Too bad. |
| 04:16.10 | dangerr | im running 2.4 |
| 04:16.40 | Guerin | right, so you're in breach of the TOS, but only because you've exceeded the bandwidth limit |
| 04:16.46 | omnistegan | but for another 15$ a month They'll allow me 50GB upload |
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| 04:17.19 | Spods | dangerr: you can take it out of your kernel, but there must be a way to disable it by altering a file in proc or something |
| 04:17.19 | Guerin | omnistegan: $15/mo is not cheap for 40GB/month, though |
| 04:17.23 | doub | dangerr: you'll need to find what program uses iptables (the common "linux firewalls" are only frontends to iptables) |
| 04:17.24 | dangerr | i dont understand why i could ping the box before |
| 04:17.40 | Morvok | omnistegan: what they are probably doing is switching you to a "business account" instead of a "residential" account. |
| 04:17.55 | omnistegan | Morvok, thats exactly it |
| 04:17.56 | doub | dangerr: maybe installing some package installed a firewall as a Recommend: |
| 04:18.00 | Guerin | omnistegan: it doesn't sound unreasonable of them, to me. |
| 04:18.02 | Spods | dangerr: have you changed kernel's recently, or have you done a apt-get dist-upgrade recently? |
| 04:18.03 | cafuego | fuckign russian spam |
| 04:18.08 | SyphonAI | wouldn't "/etc/init.d/iptables stop" stop the iptables? |
| 04:18.19 | sciboy | Guerin: So is there a way to get the OSS application outputting sound happily as i keep XMMS (ALSA) running along side it? |
| 04:18.25 | doub | dangerr: 2c hint, look for ipmasq package |
| 04:18.28 | dangerr | no spods, not since i first installed sarge testing with 2.4 last week |
| 04:18.29 | cafuego | SyphonAI: No, that would normally load the ruleset for 'inactive' |
| 04:18.31 | Morvok | my isp threatened the same thing long ago, I told them they would do the hosting for less, so I shouldn't have to pay. |
| 04:18.35 | Guerin | omnistegan: heh... enable mod_compress or whatever it's called in apache :) |
| 04:18.40 | doub | SyphonAI: it's been removed |
| 04:18.41 | Spods | syphonAI: probably, that sounds reasonable, but i don't use it so dunno :) |
| 04:18.51 | Ferret | 050505|05:05:06 <dangerr> even thoguh according to ifconfig the IP is still the same <-- one second too late. :/ |
| 04:19.02 | dangerr | heh |
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| 04:19.05 | SyphonAI | Spods, yeah me either, i have a hardware firewall... |
| 04:19.09 | Guerin | over the past 24 hours I've served nearly 50G of torrents |
| 04:19.12 | doub | SyphonAI: it might remain from an old install, but it's not here anymore on fresh systems |
| 04:19.13 | Morvok | so, since they don't have to do the maintence and use there systems I should not have to pay for the extra bandwidth. |
| 04:19.17 | dangerr | i actually do too, i dont need a built in firewall |
| 04:19.19 | Guerin | and I won't hear a peep out of my ISP :) |
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| 04:19.41 | doub | SyphonAI: see /usr/share/doc/iptables/README.Debian.gz |
| 04:19.42 | dangerr | if i had a choice i'd just disable the whole thing altogether |
| 04:19.45 | LinuxNIT | hey guys i installed enlighten ment throughsynaptic but it didnt show up under the sessions list in gdm. How can i make it apper? |
| 04:20.00 | SyphonAI | dangerr, is it in your /etc/rc.$d/ with S##iptables? |
| 04:20.12 | SyphonAI | dangerr, if so, just stop the service |
| 04:20.19 | doub | dangerr: the only thing you have to do is find the firewall package and remove it |
| 04:20.23 | dondelelcaro | LinuxNIT: it won't, because it doesn't install a gdm session. Use the debian session, and exec enlightenment in your ~/.xsession |
| 04:20.31 | dangerr | so, i have a firewall package installed somewhere |
| 04:20.31 | dangerr | ? |
| 04:20.39 | doub | dangerr: dpkg -L '*firewall*' might help |
| 04:20.45 | doub | dangerr: seems like |
| 04:20.51 | dangerr | maybe aptitude will tell me |
| 04:20.51 | SyphonAI | i am willing to bet is you stop the service, you won't have a problem anymore |
| 04:20.52 | Spods | dangerr, syphonAI: it doesn't hurt to have a localised firewall to suppliment your network perimiter based firewall, it can stop problems from happening if your perimeter get's breached |
| 04:20.54 | SyphonAI | then you can remove it alter |
| 04:21.03 | doub | dangerr: dpkg -l sorry |
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| 04:21.12 | dangerr | yeah syphon, but i dont want to have to stop the service every time i boot |
| 04:21.21 | LinuxNIT | dondelelcaro, can you be a bit more detailed as to how to do that |
| 04:21.25 | SyphonAI | Spods, i know, but i have 2 routers on this network, i dont' need localized firewalls also |
| 04:21.26 | LinuxNIT | please |
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| 04:21.41 | SyphonAI | dangerr, you can tell the service to not start at boot |
| 04:21.57 | dondelelcaro | LinuxNIT: /usr/bin/sensible-editor ~/.xsession; add exec enlightenment; then run the Debian session. |
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| 04:22.08 | SyphonAI | you edit the link file in your /etc/rc.#d/ depending on your init level and it will not start |
| 04:22.13 | Spods | syphonAI: fair enuff |
| 04:22.25 | LinuxNIT | dondelelcaro, ok thanks i'll give it a shot |
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| 04:22.53 | doub | while we're at x config files, debian-reference states that the ~/.Xressources will be merged to the X ressource database on session openning, which seems like not happening |
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| 04:23.14 | doub | what's the proper way to set user specific x ressources? |
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| 04:23.54 | dondelelcaro | doub: using ~/.xresources; of course. |
| 04:24.03 | Morvok | is the hppa 2.0 port 64bit userland? |
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| 04:24.11 | dondelelcaro | (or ~/.Xresources) |
| 04:24.21 | dangerr | couldnt i just remove the symlink all together |
| 04:24.26 | sanxiyn | dondelelcaro: What's the difference to ~/.Xdefaults? |
| 04:24.33 | doub | dondelelcaro: the one with a capital X doesn't work here, with startx |
| 04:24.34 | SyphonAI | or that yes |
| 04:24.56 | SyphonAI | type runlevel as root to get the rc.#d you need to remove the link from |
| 04:25.55 | SyphonAI | you can worry about removing the package later then |
| 04:26.43 | dondelelcaro | doub: /etc/X11/Xsession.d/30xfree86-common_xresources and /etc/X11/Xsession disagree with you... |
| 04:26.52 | dondelelcaro | sanxiyn: uh, I've no clue what actually reads ~/.Xdefaults |
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| 04:27.25 | dangerr | dpkg -L *firewall* said no packages found |
| 04:27.26 | dpkg | ii *firewall* said no packages found 3.2-13 dangerr's private gamp collection |
| 04:27.49 | SyphonAI | do apt-cache search iptables |
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| 04:28.17 | SyphonAI | nvm |
| 04:28.20 | SyphonAI | that's a big list |
| 04:28.35 | SyphonAI | there is a package called iptables though... |
| 04:28.40 | dangerr | i didnt see an app called iptables in the rcX.d dirs |
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| 04:28.48 | doub | dangerr: search for ipmasq, i think this one is recommended by some packages |
| 04:28.58 | dangerr | so... i could just apt-get remove iptables? |
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| 04:29.02 | sanxiyn | dondelelcaro: Well, but .Xdefaults works for me... |
| 04:29.04 | SyphonAI | try it |
| 04:29.15 | SyphonAI | if it's not there it will tell you not installe |
| 04:29.16 | SyphonAI | d |
| 04:29.19 | doub | dondelelcaro: i'll try again then, but no luck up to now |
| 04:29.21 | dondelelcaro | dangerr: no, you can't, because iptables has iptable IN it. |
| 04:29.39 | dondelelcaro | doub: well, if not, then it's because (for some reason) startx isn't running /etc/X11/Xsession, which I thought it did. |
| 04:29.40 | SyphonAI | i used ipmasq when i was using my linux server as a router to connect the 2 NICs |
| 04:29.54 | SyphonAI | other than that i have never used it |
| 04:30.02 | doub | dondelelcaro: thanks for your help anyway |
| 04:31.00 | dondelelcaro | "global Xsession file -- used by display managers and xinit (startx)" |
| 04:31.11 | dangerr | ipmasq not found |
| 04:31.17 | dondelelcaro | !+find ipmasq |
| 04:31.17 | dangerr | oops i just apt-get remove'd iptables |
| 04:31.18 | dpkg | Debian Package Listing of 'ipmasq' (2): ipmasq ;; ipmasqadm. |
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| 04:31.27 | dangerr | i mean, it wasnt installed |
| 04:31.48 | SyphonAI | look in Synap Packahe Manager and search there |
| 04:31.59 | SyphonAI | it's easier to see what's installed since you not sure what you got |
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| 04:32.14 | barretj | anyone know if there is a way in vim to list all tags? |
| 04:32.21 | omnistegan | hey guys, I have a strange question, Is there a command that i can use to kill every process I have running? I just need a console, and no apps running unless i tell them to, possible? |
| 04:32.34 | barretj | :tags just gives me the tag stack, but I want the whole list of tags |
| 04:32.42 | dondelelcaro | omnistegan: ps -axfu |
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| 04:32.48 | dondelelcaro | omnistegan: man ps; |
| 04:33.22 | doub | dondelelcaro: well well well... i need to sleep, a break, some holidays, find a girl, and everything will be fine with this xressources file. that's easy and simple ;) |
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| 04:33.56 | dondelelcaro | doub: well, worst comes to worst, you can xrdb -merge ~/.Xresources; |
| 04:34.04 | dondelelcaro | doub: but that should be redundant. |
| 04:34.07 | doub | dondelelcaro: that's what i do |
| 04:34.28 | dotsony | where might I go for help with the nvidia installer? |
| 04:34.31 | dondelelcaro | (in your ~/.xsession of course) |
| 04:34.43 | dondelelcaro | dotsony: #nvidia |
| 04:35.12 | doub | dondelelcaro: isn't the whole world redundant anyway? ;) |
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| 04:36.19 | steve_ | hey- sound works when i am root, but not as a regular user (using "speaker-test" |
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| 04:37.01 | doub | feels like someone did not bother to read the faq here |
| 04:37.07 | omnistegan | dondelelcaro, Even if that lists all the running processes, is there a way to kill them all in one go |
| 04:37.10 | omnistegan | ? |
| 04:37.29 | furrywolf | omni: reboot with init=/bin/sh |
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| 04:37.47 | dondelelcaro | omnistegan: uh, you almost certainly don't want to do that. |
| 04:38.07 | dotsony | is there any way to force a program to keep it's windows in a particular workspace? |
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| 04:38.12 | omnistegan | dondelelcaro, I certainly want to kill anything i can while still being able to execute commands in a console |
| 04:38.25 | dotsony | i find it iritating that whenever gaim reconnects it's dialogs pop up over the top of whatever it is i'm doing |
| 04:38.46 | dondelelcaro | omnistegan: uh, no, you almost certainly do not. What exactly are you trying to do? |
| 04:38.57 | steve_ | i read the faq, and chmod 777 to /dev/mixer and /dev/dsp |
| 04:39.00 | dotsony | er...irritating |
| 04:39.06 | Guerin | grrr... i hate it when i get Starting web server: apache-ssl failed and error.log says nothing |
| 04:39.08 | dondelelcaro | steve_: THE FAQ DOES NOT SAY THAT. |
| 04:39.09 | buu | dotsony: Use a real client.. like centericq! |
| 04:39.13 | Guerin | what the fuck am I supposed to change? |
| 04:39.28 | dondelelcaro | Guerin: run apache-ssl with -D; and see why it failed. |
| 04:39.32 | omnistegan | I'm trying to kill all the processes i can while still having mysystem remain stable enough to execute commands in a console |
| 04:39.32 | dondelelcaro | (or -D -X) |
| 04:39.37 | dotsony | buu, well this happens for other programs as well.... |
| 04:39.57 | dondelelcaro | steve_: (or if it does, point me at it, so I can beat whoever wrote it.) |
| 04:39.58 | buu | dotsony: Blame the window manager! |
| 04:40.23 | dotsony | buu, fucking gnome |
| 04:40.29 | dondelelcaro | omnistegan: so you have no clue what the processes are that you want to kill are doing? That's just a recipe for disaster. |
| 04:40.30 | dotsony | buu, but even fluxbox |
| 04:40.55 | buu | omnistegan: kill everything with a process id over 10! |
| 04:41.03 | dotsony | buu, but seriously, is there a windowmanager that doesn't do that? |
| 04:41.12 | buu | dotsony: um |
| 04:41.23 | Guerin | dondelelcaro: just returns Reading key for server secure.feayn.org:443 |
| 04:41.23 | buu | dotsony: No not really. |
| 04:41.32 | doub | dotsony: i think it's not possible for the WM to know which app opens a window |
| 04:41.35 | buu | dotsony: I really want to say ratpoison, but it lets modal's popup =[ |
| 04:41.41 | BadMan | !tell dotsony about nvidia-howto |
| 04:41.42 | dondelelcaro | Guerin: and falls over? is the key encrypted like it should be? |
| 04:41.51 | mwilson | doub: You can make intelligent guesses. |
| 04:41.54 | Guerin | dondelelcaro: yeah, the key is fine |
| 04:42.12 | BadMan | !nvidia |
| 04:42.13 | dpkg | i heard nvidia is DO NOT use nvidia.com's installer! Ask me about "nvidia installer". Instead, read "nvidia-howto" for instructions, or "nvidia one-liner" for a reminder if you've done it before. "Off to break the nvidia driver by changing the kernel interfaces again, this is becoming a fun hobby..." - Greg Kroah-Hartman, Linux kernel hacker, on linux-elitists |
| 04:42.18 | BadMan | !thank you |
| 04:42.18 | dpkg | BadMan: de nada |
| 04:42.18 | Guerin | dondelelcaro: $? = 1 |
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| 04:42.27 | doub | dotsony: because you're not the first one to be annoyed by this feature, and it would have long been fixed if that was simple to do |
| 04:42.35 | steve_ | http://panuganty.tripod.com/debiantips/sound.htm |
| 04:42.36 | dondelelcaro | Guerin: hrm... well, try some nice stracing with apache-ssl -X; to see what is going on... |
| 04:42.39 | steve_ | thats the faq |
| 04:43.14 | dondelelcaro | ugh, that faq is totally FUCKING wrong |
| 04:43.32 | steve_ | well, what faq should i read? |
| 04:43.33 | dondelelcaro | !tell steve_ about audio |
| 04:43.37 | dondelelcaro | steve_: follow those instructions. |
| 04:43.43 | steve_ | i use sarge |
| 04:44.13 | steve_ | should be the same right? |
| 04:44.30 | dondelelcaro | steve_: ok, then in that case, the modules should have already been automagically loaded. You just need to add yourself to the audio group, assuming you haven't totally screwed up the permisions on /dev/dsp0 and /dev/mixer0 |
| 04:45.25 | Guerin | dondelelcaro: well, it says it's writing an error out to some logfile ... but that logfile is not /var/log/apache-ssl/error.log |
| 04:45.54 | dondelelcaro | Guerin: hrm...well, with proper use of strace you should be able to see the message that it's actually writing... |
| 04:46.16 | BadMan | clear |
| 04:46.43 | Guerin | i can see the start of it, but not the whole thing... |
| 04:46.46 | Guerin | write(16, "[Thu May 5 04:43:03 2005] [crit"..., 90) = 90 |
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| 04:47.23 | dondelelcaro | Guerin: I think -v will get all of that... |
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| 04:47.36 | Guerin | heh, just reading man strace |
| 04:48.12 | maher | if i want to upgrade a stable box to testing and file a useful upgrade report should I use tpu and where should I send it? |
| 04:48.13 | dotsony | doub, that alone turns me off to the whole virtual screen thing |
| 04:48.26 | dondelelcaro | maher: tpu is totally different |
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| 04:48.44 | dotsony | doub, it'd be cool if programs would stay in their own separate spaces...but if i have to keep wrangling the windows around.... |
| 04:48.53 | maher | dondelelcaro: what is tpu for? |
| 04:49.10 | dondelelcaro | maher: if the upgrade fails, then file bugs against the relevant packages. If you can't figure out what went wrong, you can either post the error here, and I'll help you figure it out, or you can file a bug against general and cc -devel |
| 04:49.34 | dondelelcaro | maher: that's for updating packages. packages which specifically targeted for sarge but cannot go through unstable go there. |
| 04:49.55 | dondelelcaro | no one besides maintainers should be mucking about with t-p-u. |
| 04:50.17 | _daniel_ | maher solved the problem |
| 04:50.24 | maher | dondelelcaro: but they're going to end up in testing eventually? |
| 04:50.31 | doub | dotsony: maybe keyboard oriented WM can help you, like ratpoison or ion. i've tried a third one, but can't remember just now. |
| 04:50.37 | maher | _daniel_: cool |
| 04:50.41 | dondelelcaro | maher: if they are approved, yes. However, some of them will be rejected. |
| 04:50.47 | Guerin | dondelelcaro: strace -v doesn't yield anything more |
| 04:50.51 | dondelelcaro | Guerin: bummer. |
| 04:50.52 | dotsony | doub, i used ion |
| 04:51.01 | Guerin | back to the known-good config I go... |
| 04:51.06 | dotsony | doub, it was kindof a pain once I fixed mouse support though |
| 04:51.20 | dondelelcaro | Guerin: maybe '-e write=16'? |
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| 04:52.13 | Guerin | dondelelcaro: that gives me a bit more... what does it do? |
| 04:52.30 | doub | dotsony: but feel free to go yelling at the right place, namely gnome |
| 04:52.32 | dondelelcaro | Guerin: supposedly dumps everything that got written to FD 16, which is probably still the right FD |
| 04:52.43 | Guerin | oh, ok |
| 04:52.58 | doub | dotsony: trying to emulate a windowsish behavior, and a bad one at that, is real silly |
| 04:53.07 | challenged | cool webmin actually has a squid frontend hehe |
| 04:53.39 | Guerin | ok, that's done something useful |
| 04:53.49 | dotsony | doub, I agree in general, but it does certain things which I find helpful |
| 04:54.23 | Guerin | amongst manglation and lots of hexadecimal, it says that it's attempting to initialise SSL for a particular virtualhost ... which shouldn't be SSLed |
| 04:54.34 | _joey | are there similar applications to mldonkey? Looking for one that runs as daemon and supports several p2p protocols |
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| 04:54.58 | doub | dotsony: of course, of course. but alternatives do, too |
| 04:55.06 | challenged | _joey: umm gift as a quick guess |
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| 04:55.28 | dotsony | well, not these certain things |
| 04:55.42 | challenged | _joey: it's not donkey/mule: but it is gnutella etc |
| 04:55.44 | dad | What is the difference between kernels 2.4 (stable?), 2.5 (?) and 2.6 (testing?) |
| 04:55.47 | dotsony | i guess GNUStep is pretty dead, huh? |
| 04:55.59 | doub | dotsony: that's one of the good points with free software: freedom of choice |
| 04:56.25 | doub | dotsony: do you consider netbsd dead? |
| 04:56.33 | Guerin | dotsony: wh? |
| 04:56.39 | challenged | dad: 2.4 is know stable for servers etc....2.6 is new with sound drivers etc in the kernel....it is stable but it is primarily for Sarge which is xcureently frozen |
| 04:57.08 | _joey | challenged mldonkey supports: doneky/overnet, gnutella, fastrack, FileTP, bittorrent, gnutella, gnutella2 |
| 04:57.14 | challenged | dad: sarge will become stable soonish...(freezing is the last major step of it) |
| 04:57.16 | dad | challenged: what is 2.5 then? |
| 04:57.33 | challenged | _joey: look at gift it supports alot too |
| 04:57.34 | dad | i'm having netdev watchdog crashes with 2.6.11.7 |
| 04:58.01 | challenged | dad: testing kernels id guess......i dont beleive odd numbers are released |
| 04:58.13 | maher | dad: 2.5 is the old development branch - don't use it |
| 04:58.19 | challenged | dad: what distro? sarge or sid? |
| 04:58.26 | dad | sarge |
| 04:59.37 | challenged | dad: tried an earlier kernel? 2.6.8 on mine personally |
| 05:00.03 | challenged | dad: id try a standard deb image to see if it's a kernel issue etc |
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| 05:00.10 | dad | Yeah.. I was thinking about dropping down; that's why I was considering 2.4 |
| 05:00.17 | dad | is 2.4 really dated? all I really need is ipv6 support |
| 05:00.22 | dad | sound isnt an issue |
| 05:00.24 | challenged | dad: unless you have more info from watchdog |
| 05:00.51 | _joey | 2.4.24 and above supports IPv6 |
| 05:00.53 | dad | challenged: netdev watchdog: eth0 transmit timeout ... there are tons of related posts on google, no solutions from what i found though |
| 05:01.05 | dotsony | i dunno, i was told it was dead |
| 05:01.05 | Dr-Linux | he |
| 05:01.07 | Dr-Linux | dad: |
| 05:01.09 | Dr-Linux | ifconfig eth0:1 ip.ip.ip.ip netmask 255.255.255.x |
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| 05:01.20 | dotsony | some linux zealots i know would like freebsd to die...but that's another story |
| 05:01.21 | Dr-Linux | is this right command to add ip ? |
| 05:01.43 | dondelelcaro | Dr-Linux: yes, but better of editing /etc/network/interfaces; and using ifup eth0:1 |
| 05:01.44 | _joey | you would create an alias |
| 05:01.56 | dondelelcaro | s/of/off/ |
| 05:02.15 | dondelelcaro | (unless this is just temporary, of course) |
| 05:02.20 | dad | *shrug* i'll try a 2.4 kernel.. Thanks for all the input, all. |
| 05:02.21 | challenged | dad: hmm kk. well if its in the bug cycle it hopefully will be fixed soon (thats what freezing is all about) i dont know if you will have problems dropping back to a 2.6....... |
| 05:02.22 | deadcat | dondelelcaro: which version of mol-module-source you using? |
| 05:02.26 | _joey | dondelelcaro freebsd will die |
| 05:02.33 | doub | dotsony: some people seem not to make the difference between "not being popular" and "dead" |
| 05:02.38 | dondelelcaro | _joey: that's great. I could care less. |
| 05:02.41 | dad | challenged: shrug, ill try some other versions.. thanks for all the help |
| 05:02.48 | simonrvn | doub: *ding* |
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| 05:02.53 | dondelelcaro | deadcat: um... I don't remember. |
| 05:02.59 | deadcat | dondelelcaro: i tried 2.6.11 and 2.6.10 all failed. but my old 2.6.10 few months back works |
| 05:02.59 | challenged | dad: np GL |
| 05:03.06 | dad | thx.. :] |
| 05:03.07 | sanxiyn | Hm, what happened to wxWidgets 2.5 in Sid? |
| 05:03.13 | sanxiyn | !info libwxgtk2.5.3 |
| 05:03.22 | deadcat | dondelelcaro: but i also tried all the version from debian archive and fail as well. so i am lost. |
| 05:03.24 | challenged | opk home time for me... |
| 05:03.26 | sanxiyn | !info libwxgtk2.5.3 testing |
| 05:03.28 | Dr-Linux | dondelelcaro: /etc/network/interfaces << i should add another ip right next to the existing ip address ? |
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| 05:03.41 | deadcat | Dr-Linux: man 5 interfaces |
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| 05:03.53 | sanxiyn | I guess it's removed? |
| 05:03.53 | doub | simonrvn: *dong* |
| 05:03.58 | dondelelcaro | deadcat: mol-modules-2.6.3xieana 0.9.70+20040606... ;-) |
| 05:04.00 | _joey | I've got 2.6.11.7 running on sarge right now, works well for me |
| 05:04.05 | Dr-Linux | ok |
| 05:04.09 | sanxiyn | But now poedit (depends on wx2.5) fails to install on Sid... |
| 05:04.11 | simonrvn | doub: vs. *bzzt* ;) |
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| 05:04.31 | deadcat | dondelelcaro: dpkg -l mol-module-source |
| 05:04.41 | deadcat | dondelelcaro: time to try 2.6.11.8 |
| 05:04.42 | dondelelcaro | Dr-Linux: although, I have built 0.9.70+20050121, and have 0.9.70-17 installed. |
| 05:04.52 | Dr-Linux | and to add gateway is this command right >> route add default gw gw.gw.gw.gw ? |
| 05:05.05 | dondelelcaro | Dr-Linux: you can only have one default gateway. |
| 05:05.06 | deadcat | dondelelcaro: ah. 17. thats what i have too |
| 05:05.20 | xoz | dondelelcaro: how fast and stable is mol? |
| 05:05.27 | doub | simonrvn: that's way too sublte for me at this point of the day. sorry ;) |
| 05:05.33 | simonrvn | np |
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| 05:05.44 | dondelelcaro | xoz: probably 70-80% of the speed, and relatively stable. |
| 05:05.44 | peaceyall | sup all |
| 05:05.55 | Dr-Linux | ooo dondelelcaro |
| 05:06.00 | Dr-Linux | ifconfig eth0:1 ip.ip.ip.ip netmask 255.255.255.x |
| 05:06.08 | naoliv | sanxiyn, Can't you find wxwidgets with "apt-cache search wxwidgets"? |
| 05:06.16 | Dr-Linux | so just adding this , this ip will be accessible ? |
| 05:06.22 | dondelelcaro | xoz: I had it running OS 9, so that's not altogether too stable... |
| 05:06.23 | doub | well, as i said earlier, bed time. good night or day everybody |
| 05:06.26 | peaceyall | my sound isn't working anymore , it was before yesterday , but now it isnt , watd the problem? |
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| 05:06.39 | naoliv | Bye doub |
| 05:06.42 | dondelelcaro | peaceyall: you'll have to be quite a bit less vague. |
| 05:06.47 | xoz | dondelelcaro: thanks, im thinking of installing it. is there a way for me to repartition my disks without reinstalling OS X... or i have to start from scratch. |
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| 05:07.01 | sanxiyn | naoliv: Yes, I can't. |
| 05:07.22 | peaceyall | :/ ok lets see |
| 05:07.26 | dondelelcaro | xoz: probably, but I don't know about any partition resizing software. |
| 05:07.29 | sanxiyn | naoliv: Yes, wx2.4 is there, wx2.5 is removed. |
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| 05:07.48 | Dr-Linux | so just adding this , this ip will be accessible ? |
| 05:07.49 | Dr-Linux | ifconfig eth0:1 ip.ip.ip.ip netmask 255.255.255.x |
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| 05:08.15 | Guerin | grrr, I can't seem to get apache to bind to both port 80 for plain http and port 443 for ssl |
| 05:08.16 | mrgenixus | I'm getting a dynamic memory allocation error when doing a apt-get update |
| 05:08.16 | sanxiyn | Eh, perhaps I should have said "No I can't". English confusing. :( |
| 05:08.22 | Guerin | i have Listen 80 and Port 443 set; it's only binding to 80 |
| 05:08.24 | mrgenixus | the errors are the same as http://lists.debian.org/debian-user/2003/01/msg02664.html |
| 05:08.27 | mrgenixus | any help |
| 05:08.36 | mrgenixus | I don't thing I followed those istructions right |
| 05:09.01 | sanxiyn | Guerin: Which apache are you using? |
| 05:09.08 | peaceyall | when i made a new account about 2 days ago , now the output sound doesnt work , whenever try to play somethign it sas no audio output availible |
| 05:09.11 | peaceyall | is that better? |
| 05:09.16 | caphuso | sanxiyn: i've read something about license issues with libwxgtk2.5.3, probably removed because of those |
| 05:09.27 | naoliv | sanxiyn, Yes, you are right. The package isn't there anymore. I saw a bug saying that the maintainer would ask to remvoe it, because he was preparing 2.6 version. |
| 05:09.27 | dondelelcaro | peaceyall: you're not in the audio group. adduser username audio; |
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| 05:09.36 | mrgenixus | oh, nm |
| 05:09.37 | maher | mrgenixus: try cutting sources.list down to one or two entries |
| 05:09.37 | mrgenixus | fixed it |
| 05:09.45 | peaceyall | oh ok ty ill try |
| 05:09.49 | Guerin | sanxiyn: apache-ssl 1.3.33 in sarge |
| 05:09.50 | mrgenixus | ok, is that what he problem is |
| 05:09.57 | mrgenixus | the bug says something about APT::Cache-Limit 25165824; |
| 05:10.00 | sanxiyn | caphuso, naoliv: Do you think I should file a bug against poedit for depending on now-nonexistent package? |
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| 05:10.08 | maher | mrgenixus: i had assumed you had tried that... |
| 05:10.12 | dondelelcaro | mrgenixus: those numbers are just a random string. |
| 05:10.22 | xoz | dondelelcaro: ok. if it's stable and not really a performance hog, i'll try it. i have an external firewire disk and i am hoping to install debian and boot it from firewire. do you know any info if this is possible so that i don't have to mess with my internal disk? |
| 05:10.29 | mrgenixus | dondelelcaro: ?? |
| 05:10.43 | Morvok | seems I need to start running the AC again. |
| 05:10.43 | peaceyall | brb restarting |
| 05:10.43 | Guerin | sanxiyn: oh, already been there :) it's clearly a my-fault config issue |
| 05:10.50 | caphuso | sanxiyn: yeah |
| 05:10.58 | naoliv | sanxiyn, YEs, fill a bug. |
| 05:11.01 | dondelelcaro | mrgenixus: the important thing is that the Cache-Limit be big enough to fit the entire dependency tree into memory. |
| 05:11.03 | mrgenixus | anybody here own a r3000z laptop? |
| 05:11.08 | sanxiyn | Thanks. |
| 05:11.10 | mrgenixus | dondelelcaro: ok, thanks |
| 05:11.32 | dondelelcaro | xoz: I think it's possible using OF, but I don't know how myself. |
| 05:11.48 | xoz | dondelelcaro: OF? |
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| 05:11.57 | dondelelcaro | xoz: assuming the firewire drive shows up in OF, you should just be able to boot off of it. OF=Open Firmware. |
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| 05:12.45 | xoz | dondelelcaro: ok... ill experiment. hoping to avoid messing with my internal disks. thanks. |
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| 05:13.09 | dotsony_ | BadMan, thanks for that link |
| 05:13.19 | dondelelcaro | xoz: yeah... I personally just run Debian on that machine... the OS9 is only there for when I have proprietary crap that has to be runable. |
| 05:13.20 | dotsony_ | BadMan, was that in the channel faq? |
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| 05:14.45 | dotsony_ | BadMan, i was following whatever instructions were in the channel faq...is it out of date? |
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| 05:14.59 | pulp | hello al |
| 05:15.00 | pulp | all |
| 05:15.10 | pulp | anyone can help me out with ldap config for evolution plz ? |
| 05:15.16 | dondelelcaro | !tell pulp about ask |
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| 05:15.27 | pulp | i have configured it but it still fails to search .. |
| 05:15.39 | daffy-pkf | lo |
| 05:15.42 | pulp | dondelelcaro, yeah i know the policy .. |
| 05:16.29 | pulp | i might be missing the proper evolution.schema file .. as it might have changed from 1.4 to 2 |
| 05:16.32 | pulp | and last i found was 1.4 |
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| 05:16.58 | xoz | dondelelcaro: me too. i need both worlds but fink and darwin packages are not as complete compared to debian for my needs especially in symbolic/stat computing. debian has all the softwares i need minus some apps that can only be found in mac. i think mol is really a very good option. |
| 05:17.00 | dhuv | hello all |
| 05:17.08 | pulp | anyone using evo with ldap addressbook? |
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| 05:17.16 | Guerin | !anyone use |
| 05:17.16 | dpkg | No, no one uses it, not even the people who use it. |
| 05:17.28 | pulp | or migrated from outlook to evolution with exchange being replaced? |
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| 05:17.57 | dhuv | when i try to use iwspy i am getting complaints that the wireless extensions used to compile the wlan drivers were version 16 when i need atleast version 18, i verified that wireless-tools package was 27-3 |
| 05:18.09 | dhuv | how can I update the wireless extensions? |
| 05:18.28 | maher | dhuv: you probably need to recompile your drivers |
| 05:18.42 | dhuv | maher: i just did yesterday |
| 05:19.04 | pulp | where can i find evolution ldap how to/ |
| 05:19.05 | pulp | ? |
| 05:19.08 | dhuv | how can I make sure i am compiling with the proper wireless entensions version |
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| 05:20.39 | naoliv | sanxiyn, caphuso, Yes... licesing problem on wxWidgets2.5 and a new 2.6 version: http://www.archivum.info/debian-bugs-rc@lists.debian.org/2005-04/msg01610.html |
| 05:21.35 | pulp | anyone ready to help if i pay for support? |
| 05:21.39 | sanxiyn | naoliv: Oh, thanks. |
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| 05:21.49 | maher | dhuv: ok - dunno |
| 05:22.10 | chealer | !tell pulp about consultants |
| 05:22.11 | dhuv | maher: thanks anyway |
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| 05:25.15 | cleit0n | hi, any knows, what this error dpkg: erro de interpretação, no arquivo `/var/lib/dpkg/available', próximo à linha 3 pacote `telnet': |
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| 05:25.51 | caphuso | cleit0n: run "dselect update" |
| 05:26.08 | jm_ | at least the filenames remain untranslated ;) |
| 05:26.18 | cleit0n | caphuso: i run apt-get update |
| 05:26.21 | caphuso | cleit0n: run "dselect update" |
| 05:26.36 | caphuso | jm_: heh |
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| 05:28.41 | cleit0n | caphuso: thanks |
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| 05:30.16 | pulp | chealer, thanks :) |
| 05:30.22 | pulp | chealer, sent a few mails. |
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| 05:31.58 | Morvok | finally, I have my room well below 30C :) |
| 05:32.19 | pulp | Morvok, where are u physically ? :) |
| 05:32.28 | brimstone | is it possible to display ntsc out the svga port so that i can use one of the cheap svga to rca/svideo adapters on ebay? |
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| 05:33.05 | Morvok | pulp: southern ontario.. |
| 05:33.29 | pulp | Morvok, hmm |
| 05:33.38 | pulp | Morvok, nice and rainy here in switzerland ;) |
| 05:33.50 | Morvok | I have alot of equipment.. |
| 05:33.56 | Morvok | its about 16C outside. |
| 05:33.57 | pulp | ah |
| 05:34.02 | pulp | wow .. :) |
| 05:34.11 | Morvok | its night time. |
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| 05:34.50 | Morvok | my room is at 24C.. with two 1 meter fans running through the windows. 1 in, one out. |
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| 05:34.57 | simonrvn | 5 here |
| 05:35.08 | simonrvn | room is ~20 |
| 05:35.14 | Ry12 | how do u select an av in GAIM? |
| 05:35.20 | pulp | where is it? |
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| 05:35.40 | Morvok | most of my stuff is off.. |
| 05:36.15 | Ry12 | how do u select an av in GAIM? |
| 05:36.38 | simonrvn | what are you talking about? |
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| 05:37.39 | simonrvn | @ops AGainsT is a spam bot |
| 05:37.41 | ravenbird | Hydroxide, bob2, caphuso, dondelelcaro, doogie, eeyore-, ElectricElf, greycat, helix, ljlane, LoRez, mentor, Netsnipe, TML, walters, xk: AGainsT is a spam bot |
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| 05:38.02 | simonrvn | count on it spamming someone soon |
| 05:38.14 | simonrvn | the user name gives it away |
| 05:38.15 | dondelelcaro | hrm... some sort of delay bot... |
| 05:38.15 | Morvok | so can anyone tell me if the HPPA 2.0 runs a 64bit userland? |
| 05:38.26 | Ry12 | the picture |
| 05:38.26 | simonrvn | same for oDin |
| 05:38.31 | Ry12 | how do u slect one |
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| 05:38.55 | macks | does anyone in here have experience working with mambo on debian? |
| 05:39.10 | nagual | simonrvn: you cycled to find bots? |
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| 05:40.53 | positrix | i know! AGainst, if you are not a spambot, say so now. |
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| 05:41.55 | simonrvn | let's put it down to observation |
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| 05:42.13 | YaleR | anyone here use ntpdate? |
| 05:42.23 | peterS | YaleR: what about it? please ask your real question |
| 05:42.29 | YaleR | would doing... |
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| 05:42.31 | YaleR | cp /etc/init.d/ntpdate /etc/cron.daily/ |
| 05:42.33 | YaleR | work? |
| 05:42.52 | Morvok | should. |
| 05:42.59 | peterS | YaleR: no. /etc/cron.daily/* is not called with a 'start' argument |
| 05:43.11 | YaleR | true...... |
| 05:43.14 | simonrvn | run-parts is run over that dir |
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| 05:43.28 | YaleR | simonrvn: ? |
| 05:43.34 | simonrvn | man run-parts |
| 05:43.37 | peterS | YaleR: just write a trivial script to do what you really want. either call '/etc/init.d/ntpdate start' or run /usr/sbin/ntpdate manually |
| 05:43.55 | simonrvn | YaleR: ? |
| 05:44.04 | YaleR | simonrvn: so it should run.... |
| 05:44.07 | YaleR | but what I read |
| 05:44.08 | simonrvn | just a '?' means nothing |
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| 05:44.20 | peterS | YaleR: also, if you read /etc/init.d/ntpdate you'll notice that it has an option to slew, which it does for restart / reload. this is probably what you want instead |
| 05:44.23 | molotov | what is debians way of cleaning out unused dependancies |
| 05:44.32 | peterS | YaleR: never mind the bug in the package that groups force-reload with start rather than with reload.. |
| 05:44.46 | peterS | molotov: 'aptitude' run interactively, or deborphan |
| 05:45.03 | YaleR | sorry guys, I'm rather new - |
| 05:45.29 | YaleR | molotov: or get deborphan |
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| 05:45.50 | YaleR | oh |
| 05:45.52 | YaleR | you said that |
| 05:46.16 | _daniel_ | maher, wrong I did blow the hole tree, just easier to reinstall |
| 05:46.25 | _daniel_ | I would have been done by now :) |
| 05:46.27 | simonrvn | eh? they did "force-reload|start)"? |
| 05:46.28 | YaleR | peterS: isn't the slew for slowly updating the date so it doesn't jump? |
| 05:46.30 | _daniel_ | If I had listen to you |
| 05:46.40 | peterS | YaleR: yes. if you're doing this while the system is running, that's generally what you want |
| 05:46.50 | YaleR | why? |
| 05:46.56 | simonrvn | start|force-reload) |
| 05:47.12 | YaleR | I doubt the time would change drastically - I just want it daily to check, and change the time right then |
| 05:47.14 | peterS | YaleR: if the clock jumps forward a few minutes, your screensaver suddenly kicks in. things like that |
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| 05:47.17 | Morvok | yaler: so it doesn't screw up the file and log dating. |
| 05:47.59 | YaleR | well... doubt it would be more then a few seconds... but I will change it to slew... |
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| 05:48.06 | peterS | YaleR: if the clock jumps back a few minutes, any cron jobs scheduled for around that time will run twice |
| 05:48.20 | YaleR | lol, now THAT would be funny |
| 05:48.37 | YaleR | either way, it's a desktop, nothing to really worry about |
| 05:48.39 | YaleR | but good thinking |
| 05:48.43 | peterS | YaleR: well, if it's just a few seconds one way or another, I honestly don't usually worry about it. but on principle, if the slew option is there, why not use it |
| 05:49.09 | YaleR | peterS: but will I have to change anything? or will having it in cron.daily do what I want? |
| 05:49.12 | Morvok | if its a mac, its clock is not a priority interrupt (or never used to be) so the clock can be thrown out by a decent amount. |
| 05:49.40 | peterS | YaleR: run it *from* cron.daily, but by writing a new two-line script that says '#!/bin/sh' '/etc/init.d/ntpdate reload' or similar |
| 05:49.44 | YaleR | you #debian guys are SERIOUS |
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| 05:50.03 | dondelelcaro | bah... just use ntp-simple |
| 05:50.18 | peterS | yeah, that's what I do. but I figured there might be a reason YaleR didn't want to do that |
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| 05:50.30 | YaleR | ntp-simple? |
| 05:50.35 | dondelelcaro | !set the time |
| 05:50.35 | dpkg | To set the time in debian, use date --set. The truly enlightened user, however, will install ntpdate and ntp-simple to have their clock set automatically on reboot, and slewed to match time servers, respectively. You may also need to run tzconfig and make sure you have the right UTC setting in /etc/default/rcS first. |
| 05:50.43 | peterS | YaleR: a local NTP server. it runs continuously. |
| 05:51.03 | YaleR | I never reboot this computer |
| 05:51.07 | YaleR | thats why :s |
| 05:51.29 | peterS | YaleR: ntp-simple runs continuously. you use ntpdate to set the right time at boot time, then ntp-simple maintains it |
| 05:51.42 | YaleR | oh |
| 05:51.42 | Morvok | also, the longer the ntp-slew runs the more precise the time will be. |
| 05:51.45 | Morvok | apperently. |
| 05:52.01 | YaleR | ntpdate I already have set for boot? I don't think so... |
| 05:52.13 | peterS | YaleR: if you installed it normally and didn't disable it, you probably have it at boot time |
| 05:52.15 | dondelelcaro | YaleR: if you just installed ntpdate, you do. |
| 05:52.36 | peterS | YaleR: make sure you have NTPSERVERS=something.useful in /etc/default/ntpdate |
| 05:53.11 | peterS | YaleR: like ca.pool.ntp.org |
| 05:53.15 | YaleR | yeah |
| 05:53.21 | YaleR | it ran when I installed and worked |
| 05:53.24 | freewoody | Hi all, I see all the logs of a firewall on my screen but I don't know which application started it |
| 05:53.56 | YaleR | which rc level would I find it on? |
| 05:53.57 | freewoody | Can somebody help me out |
| 05:54.07 | freewoody | which the firewall ? |
| 05:54.16 | peterS | YaleR: /etc/rcS.d/S51ntpdate |
| 05:54.24 | peterS | YaleR: S meaning at boot time, before switching into a runlevel |
| 05:54.30 | YaleR | oh |
| 05:55.06 | YaleR | true true - very cool |
| 05:55.06 | naoliv | freewoody, With "lsof" you can see which program opened the log file. Since it can be a long list, you may wnat to use "lsof | grep <something>". |
| 05:55.36 | peterS | YaleR: so now just install ntp-simple and make sure you have 'server ca.pool.ntp.org' somewhere in /etc/ntp.conf |
| 05:55.42 | freewoody | I actually don't know the location of the log file itself |
| 05:55.48 | YaleR | I should hang out in here more often, I'd learn something |
| 05:55.57 | peterS | it can be an educational place |
| 05:55.57 | freewoody | I see all the firewall logs in front of the screen |
| 05:56.23 | peterS | we're not all nucular physicists, but I wouldn't be surprised if a few of us were |
| 05:56.45 | Morvok | alot of programmers and engineers though ;) |
| 05:56.47 | freewoody | And there is no lsof |
| 05:56.59 | karsten | freewoody: Install it then. |
| 05:57.06 | simonrvn | @installit |
| 05:57.07 | ravenbird | *** NEWS FLASH! *** Your box does not come with every app, tool and utility known to debiankind installed already. If you find that the program you've been told to use isn't there, install it. Also ask me about <search>. |
| 05:57.18 | freewoody | I guess the firewall is IPTABLES |
| 05:57.30 | YaleR | I always thought this place was a little too snobby for a kid like me - probably just at peak times... |
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| 05:57.40 | naoliv | freewoody, But how there isn't lsof if it's a standard priority? |
| 05:57.50 | dafen | boot knoppix, then run grub: |
| 05:57.52 | peterS | YaleR: it can be snobby but generally it's only so when you display your unwillingness to look things up or learn anything (: |
| 05:57.53 | dondelelcaro | naoliv: because standard things aren't automatically installed. |
| 05:57.53 | freewoody | How do I set the program to record logs in a log file instead of the screen |
| 05:58.03 | dafen | grub> root (hd0,2) hardisk not exist or something like this |
| 05:58.16 | Morvok | Yaler: how old are you? |
| 05:58.18 | naoliv | dondelelcaro, Thanks :-) |
| 05:58.19 | peterS | freewoody: you can run 'script' for this purpose, is one way. that's a general-purpose solution |
| 05:58.23 | YaleR | Morvok: 17 |
| 05:58.25 | dafen | my grub ahs been overwritten by nt boot loader |
| 05:58.32 | dafen | so I wanna write it back to my MBR |
| 05:58.36 | dondelelcaro | naoliv: those are just things that you probably really want installed, but don't necessarily need. |
| 05:58.48 | freewoody | How do I know which application started this firewall logging |
| 05:58.50 | dafen | I guess hd0 is OS indepdent right? |
| 05:58.54 | Morvok | yaler: ahh your fine, just be willing to read docs :) |
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| 05:58.57 | freewoody | You see I was not the admin for this server |
| 05:59.27 | YaleR | is the ca.pool.ntp.org just for canada? it seemed to be fine without it |
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| 05:59.49 | peterS | YaleR: ca.pool.ntp.org is a list of servers located in canada. pool.ntp.org is a list of servers located all over the world |
| 06:00.17 | peterS | YaleR: they don't have geographic-based access restriction, but using a list of servers close to you is generally not a bad idea |
| 06:00.22 | Morvok | YaleR: pick the closest one to you, and try to locate one that is attached to an atomic clock. |
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| 06:00.39 | peterS | Morvok: that's what *.pool.ntp.org is for. they're all "close enough" to atomic clocks. |
| 06:01.05 | Morvok | peterS: exellent. |
| 06:01.06 | caphuso | at least kde isn't that monolithic |
| 06:01.13 | caphuso | ergh |
| 06:01.26 | YaleR | aha, yeah - my computer is synced with an atomic clock will quickly turn into 'Yale has an atomic computer |
| 06:01.39 | dondelelcaro | YaleR: well, you do, frankly... |
| 06:01.47 | peterS | /CTCP cafuego TIME |
| 06:01.54 | peterS | he ought to know |
| 06:02.05 | cafuego | peterS: Not on teh gibson |
| 06:02.15 | YaleR | well... I guess.... |
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| 06:02.22 | dafen | grub can be used for any linux right? even the harddisks are not yet mknod |
| 06:02.29 | dafen | so it's device independent? |
| 06:02.32 | cafuego | dondelelcaro: Not usually cesium |
| 06:02.59 | dondelelcaro | cafuego: well, traces of it... |
| 06:02.59 | peterS | YaleR: if your computer is atomic, I guess that means it's made by Apple or Packard Bell - i.e., you can't take it apart and change components around. since atomic means indivisible |
| 06:03.15 | dondelelcaro | eh, you can exchange components in an apple... |
| 06:03.31 | peterS | dondelelcaro: post 1988 maybe |
| 06:03.38 | dondelelcaro | peterS: even pre 1984 |
| 06:03.44 | notty | can someone tell me where i go wrong here : http://radio.4th.ro/nat ? (bash script) |
| 06:03.53 | peterS | yeah, or pre-1984 |
| 06:04.08 | dondelelcaro | although pre Mac II requred you to use a rediculous torx bit and a case spreader... but it was still "possible" |
| 06:04.10 | peterS | pre-1984 the cases were actually velcroed. that was cute. |
| 06:04.19 | freewoody | So can somebody help me figure out these logs > IN=eth1 OUT=MAC.. SRC.. DST... |
| 06:04.49 | cafuego | freewoody: firewall logs |
| 06:05.11 | YaleR | so I see you've both been at this a while.... |
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| 06:05.38 | peterS | since well before you were born, kid (: |
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| 06:06.20 | peterS | don is somewhat less ancient than I |
| 06:06.20 | freewoody | which firewall ? |
| 06:06.28 | Morvok | anyone remember the networking kit for the TRS-80's and there tape drives? |
| 06:06.30 | freewoody | cafuego ? |
| 06:06.32 | YaleR | how ancient? |
| 06:06.52 | cafuego | freewoody: the one in the kernel (see iptables -L -v) |
| 06:06.57 | peterS | YaleR: well, less than twice your age. but still. |
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| 06:07.45 | freewoody | iptables -L -v : command not found |
| 06:07.50 | YaleR | I see... |
| 06:07.58 | freewoody | cafuego any hinds |
| 06:07.58 | cafuego | freewoody: put 'sudo' in front |
| 06:08.00 | freewoody | hints |
| 06:08.03 | YaleR | makes me feel bad... |
| 06:08.13 | freewoody | I am root right now |
| 06:08.21 | Morvok | the room is down to 19C :) |
| 06:08.28 | cafuego | then you _should_ have iptables in your path |
| 06:09.12 | karsten | Morvok: I remember tapes and Commodore 64s. |
| 06:09.12 | Morvok | I am freezing. I am used to sitting here in my underwear trying to tear myself off the chair. |
| 06:09.12 | cafuego | freewoody: /sbin/iptables -L -v |
| 06:09.12 | karsten | Morvok: Puffer trains.... |
| 06:09.51 | freewoody | cafuego, it gives these |
| 06:09.56 | freewoody | <PROTECTED> |
| 06:09.57 | freewoody | 17261 1586K ACCEPT all -- lo any anywhere anywhere |
| 06:10.25 | freewoody | There are other lines below as well |
| 06:10.32 | cafuego | 15.9°C here |
| 06:10.47 | cafuego | freewoody: Well, one of those is matching a packet and printing a log message. |
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| 06:11.07 | freewoody | I see |
| 06:11.08 | karsten | does sysfs mount automatically or does it require an /etc/fstab entry? |
| 06:11.14 | Morvok | I should fire the alpha's up, bring the temp in here back up. |
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| 06:11.43 | freewoody | My problem is that the admin before me configure these IPTables which logs all these messages in front of the screen |
| 06:11.48 | cafuego | karsten: automagic, provided you have a /sys |
| 06:11.55 | karsten | cafuego: Dig. |
| 06:11.59 | freewoody | Which log file does IPtables records these logs |
| 06:12.02 | karsten | freewoody: man syslogd |
| 06:12.06 | cafuego | karsten: DNS lookup utility |
| 06:12.10 | blobaugh | in case anyone did not get that KahiN is a porn bot |
| 06:12.11 | karsten | freewoody: ...you can put console messages elsewhere. |
| 06:12.14 | karsten | cafuego: ?? |
| 06:12.20 | freewoody | How do I do that ? |
| 06:12.24 | cafuego | karsten: man 1 dig |
| 06:12.29 | karsten | !dig |
| 06:12.29 | dpkg | i heard dig is part of dnsutils, or use host(1) (in the same package) for less detail, or (informally) ack == ok == right == your beneficent and gracious presence and contributions to this universe are hereby recognized by sundry and all. |
| 06:12.33 | karsten | Hrm. |
| 06:12.38 | karsten | Yeah, works. |
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| 06:12.45 | karsten | freewoody: vi /etc/syslog.conf |
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| 06:13.06 | Burgundavia | any legal people here? |
| 06:13.07 | karsten | freewoody: vi == universal configuration tool. |
| 06:13.14 | karsten | Burgundavia: No, we're all illegal people |
| 06:13.15 | transgress | anyone use kopete? |
| 06:13.19 | Burgundavia | err |
| 06:13.23 | karsten | !tell transgress about polls |
| 06:13.36 | transgress | lol |
| 06:13.36 | cafuego | karsten: Speak for yourself, I have a visa and a stamp! |
| 06:13.40 | Burgundavia | I need to know what the minimum legal restrictions on distributing a font with debian |
| 06:13.42 | pragma_ | !tell transgress about lol |
| 06:14.00 | transgress | i'm more of wondering because it's not worth asking a question about it if no one uses it |
| 06:14.05 | cafuego | Burgundavia: If the font is free to distribute, you can. ideally the font will be GPL, though. |
| 06:14.08 | karsten | !tell transgress about ask |
| 06:14.10 | peterS | Burgundavia: same as distributing other software with debian, at the moment. no special rules for things like fonts have been passed |
| 06:14.15 | Burgundavia | ok |
| 06:14.16 | transgress | karsten: stop that |
| 06:14.19 | pragma_ | !tell transgress about tell |
| 06:14.27 | freewoody | There are many lines in /etc/syslog.conf ? |
| 06:14.28 | cafuego | Burgundavia: if not, it might be able to go into contrib or non-free. |
| 06:14.34 | karsten | transgress: Just ask your question. If someone here knows the answer, they'll tell you. |
| 06:14.39 | cafuego | Burgundavia: The latter isn't technically debian, but is handy. |
| 06:14.41 | karsten | freewoody: search tty8 |
| 06:14.43 | Burgundavia | I am looking for it working out of the box |
| 06:14.44 | nagual | or not. |
| 06:14.45 | nagual | ;-) |
| 06:14.46 | freewoody | Which line do I have to change to get the messages off the console |
| 06:14.47 | peterS | Burgundavia: that means: the font must come with 'source code' and be free to modify and distribute modifications of. what exactly 'source' entails for a font is up for debate |
| 06:14.50 | freewoody | OK |
| 06:14.52 | transgress | well i'm trying to figure out what kopete uses to play sounds, because whatever it is, i don't seem to have it |
| 06:15.00 | karsten | freewoody: ...in the default file. And/or read the manpage. |
| 06:15.11 | freewoody | Well there is no tty8 |
| 06:15.15 | chealer | transgress: ask #debian-kde |
| 06:15.19 | karsten | freewoody: ...you want to disable console logging for low priority stuff. I like to direct logs to /dev/tty12 myself. |
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| 06:15.30 | cafuego | peterS: Cheap ones are their own source, expensive ones have application-specific data files. |
| 06:15.34 | freewoody | Well how do I do that ? |
| 06:15.36 | peterS | Burgundavia: some would argue that the truetype format itself is easy enough to modify (with appropriate tools) that that itself constitutes 'source code'. others say that you have to distribute whatever data files the font was *really* built from |
| 06:15.43 | Burgundavia | ok |
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| 06:15.57 | freewoody | Well there are so many logs in the console that I don't get the time to type anything on the console |
| 06:15.58 | Burgundavia | so basically GPL or anyother DFSG-free licence? |
| 06:16.01 | cafuego | Burgundavia: What app did you use to create the font? |
| 06:16.02 | Burgundavia | for main? |
| 06:16.06 | cafuego | Burgundavia: yep |
| 06:16.06 | transgress | chealer: was that on purpose? |
| 06:16.15 | freewoody | Does that mean that the firewall is faulty |
| 06:16.21 | chealer | transgress: what do you mean? |
| 06:16.26 | Burgundavia | I am looking for get an inuktitut font created by someone else (a gov), for a deriv |
| 06:16.30 | karsten | peterS: So that, um, mount option you were going on about yesterday? Not union... |
| 06:16.34 | peterS | Burgundavia: yes. the sticking point for fonts is usually that the designer doesn't want to give away the unlimited right to modify and distribute modifications. font designers are picky about seeing their "art" changed by others |
| 06:16.39 | peterS | karsten: bind |
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| 06:16.47 | cafuego | Burgundavia: *nod* |
| 06:16.51 | karsten | peterS: You got leathers and chains with that? |
| 06:17.00 | peterS | karsten: I don't, actually. those are non-free |
| 06:17.08 | transgress | chealer: read what lead up to that question |
| 06:17.10 | freewoody | cafuego , karsten can you guide me in these, Help is alot appreciated |
| 06:17.14 | karsten | peterS: Freedom is in the mind. |
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| 06:17.38 | karsten | freewoody: Sorta up to my eyeballs in other stuff. |
| 06:17.45 | caphuso | installing konqueror and koffice, which sucks in substantially more of the desktop environment: 150MiB |
| 06:17.49 | peterS | karsten: the whole point of the scene you seem to be describing is that at least one of the participants is, for a time, in a decidedly non-free state |
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| 06:18.11 | karsten | peterS: As I said ... |
| 06:18.27 | karsten | peterS: Eventually, you arive at liberation ... |
| 06:18.32 | karsten | peterS: or come to it, or whatever. |
| 06:18.38 | chealer | transgress: sorry, I can't find it |
| 06:18.45 | peterS | karsten: in other news, ignorance is strength |
| 06:18.58 | karsten | peterS: s,ignorance,/ignore, |
| 06:19.07 | peterS | oh, perhaps |
| 06:19.12 | karsten | ;-) |
| 06:19.13 | transgress | chealer: it's alright |
| 06:19.36 | karsten | peterS: So if I've got /usr/home and I want it to appear as /home I do a bind mount of /usr/home to /home? |
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| 06:20.01 | peterS | karsten: right. command line: 'mount --bind /usr/home /home'. /etc/fstab: "/usr/home /home none bind 0 0" |
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| 06:20.20 | peterS | karsten: and of course 'umount' undoes it, as you'd expect |
| 06:20.23 | karsten | peterS: kthx |
| 06:21.09 | karsten | peterS: 'auto' on that? |
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| 06:21.23 | peterS | karsten: auto is the default for any mount in any case |
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| 06:21.35 | peterS | it's noauto you have to specify if you want it |
| 06:21.49 | karsten | Point. 'rw,noexec,nodev' have no effect? Parent mountpoint takes precedence? |
| 06:22.04 | freewoody | How do I stop syslog and restart it |
| 06:22.13 | caphuso | freewoody: /etc/init.d/sysklogd restart |
| 06:22.14 | peterS | karsten: not sure on that, actually |
| 06:22.29 | peterS | karsten: I mean, it *does* inherit from the parent mount, but I don't know if you can override any of the flags |
| 06:22.33 | freewoody | Can I disable #kern.* /dev/console ? |
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| 06:23.24 | directhex | notice the #? it's already disabled |
| 06:23.30 | karsten | rsync: trailing slash v. no trailing. I'm in / of target. rsync -avz root@remote:/bin . ? |
| 06:23.33 | karsten | ...or |
| 06:23.39 | directhex | and you restart syslogd with /etc/init.d/syslog restart |
| 06:23.43 | karsten | rsync -avz root@remote:/bin/ . ? |
| 06:23.59 | karsten | peterS: kthx |
| 06:24.01 | caphuso | directhex: ls: /etc/init.d/syslog: No such file or directory |
| 06:24.29 | peterS | karsten: trailing slash on source dir is like trailing with /* (except that it gets dotfiles too) |
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| 06:24.36 | karsten | peterS: Ok. |
| 06:24.43 | karsten | peterS: So I want no slash. |
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| 06:24.55 | peterS | karsten: i.e., root@remote:/bin/ means copy *contents* of bin/ but don't create a destination dir 'bin' to put them in |
| 06:25.11 | jotham | you guys know you have a spam bot in this channel spamming users when they join? |
| 06:25.11 | peterS | karsten: whereas root@remote:/bin means *do* create a destination bin/ |
| 06:25.22 | jotham | 'KahiN' |
| 06:25.24 | jm_ | freewoody: do you know what that # means? |
| 06:25.35 | jm_ | jotham: we know now ;) |
| 06:25.36 | peterS | !ops alleged spambot KahiN |
| 06:25.36 | simonrvn | jotham: /topic |
| 06:25.37 | dpkg | Hydroxide, bob2, caphuso, dondelelcaro, doogie, eeyore-, ElectricElf, greycat, helix, ljlane, LoRez, mentor, Netsnipe, TML, walters, xk: alleged spambot KahiN |
| 06:25.41 | jotham | is there a tool that i can use to forward a port from 1 port to another port? |
| 06:25.45 | peterS | jotham: what I just typed is how to report these things. thanks |
| 06:25.46 | karsten | jotham: Thanks. |
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| 06:25.52 | jm_ | jotham: read iptables docs |
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| 06:25.53 | karsten | jotham: ssh. netcat |
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| 06:26.02 | karsten | jotham: ...or iptables, as noted. |
| 06:26.03 | directhex | feh. sysklogd then |
| 06:26.11 | karsten | caphuso: We need a nobeer factoid. |
| 06:26.15 | jotham | jm_: iptables isn't viable, this is not as root user |
| 06:26.18 | directhex | i expect people to tab complete, at which point it doesn't matter |
| 06:26.21 | karsten | caphuso: ...so I can give you nobeer for kicking spammers. |
| 06:26.32 | jotham | i know how netcat works, i was after part of debian that would be suitable |
| 06:26.43 | jotham | as ssh only appears to bind to the loopback interface |
| 06:26.46 | jm_ | jotham: then there's plenty of userland tools to do it |
| 06:26.47 | jotham | with port fowarding |
| 06:26.54 | jm_ | you can change that via ssh options |
| 06:27.11 | jotham | jm_: i can't modify the remote sshd |
| 06:27.12 | peterS | jotham: you can do port forwarding with rinetd if you wish. a pure-userspace alternative to iptables tricks |
| 06:27.16 | jotham | or its configuration |
| 06:27.25 | directhex | anyway, /etc/init.d/syslog is correct on solaris 9 \o/ |
| 06:27.29 | jotham | peterS: cheers i will look that up |
| 06:27.42 | jm_ | jotham: then just find one of the tools and use it |
| 06:27.50 | jotham | jm_: you're a helpful guy |
| 06:27.53 | jotham | jm_: note peterS |
| 06:27.54 | freewoody | I still can't seem to disable the syslog console messages ? |
| 06:28.10 | simonrvn | so up the kernel.printk setting |
| 06:28.20 | simonrvn | "4 3 1 7" |
| 06:28.23 | jm_ | jotham: yeah, that's one of the options |
| 06:28.30 | jm_ | freewoody: /msg dpkg printk console |
| 06:28.51 | karsten | freewoody: Look for any entries w/ 'tty' in /etc/syslog.conf |
| 06:29.24 | karsten | freewoody: ...and yes, kernel tends to write to console. |
| 06:29.28 | freewoody | Well there are no entries for tty in /etc/syslog.conf |
| 06:29.41 | karsten | freewoody: OK. Are they syslog messages or kernel messages? |
| 06:29.59 | freewoody | They are firewall messages |
| 06:30.02 | freewoody | too many of them |
| 06:30.13 | jm_ | yeah keep refusing to listen, two people told you what to do |
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| 06:30.44 | karsten | freewoody: FW == kernel. |
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| 06:31.26 | freewoody | I don't understand |
| 06:31.56 | karsten | freewoody: Understanding is a three-edged sword. |
| 06:32.02 | tracer | Is there any reason that the gui will not reappear if I use alt 1-8 and then come back to it? |
| 06:32.16 | karsten | tracer: Possible but unlikely. |
| 06:32.24 | directhex | karsten, babylon 5 references are only gonna confuse people |
| 06:32.28 | tracer | karsten: its doin that for some reason |
| 06:32.30 | karsten | tracer: It's the sign of a poor video card. |
| 06:32.36 | freewoody | Can you check my /etc/syslog.conf file ? |
| 06:32.41 | karsten | directhex: Yes, and the problem of this is ... ? |
| 06:32.55 | freewoody | http://pastebin.com/279858 |
| 06:32.55 | tracer | karsten: it did not used to do it before, but i am running this on an old computer, not my main box |
| 06:32.57 | karsten | tracer: What card? |
| 06:33.06 | karsten | freewoody: Sorry, really minimal systems ATm. |
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| 06:33.19 | tracer | karsten: whats the command to display the exact info on that? |
| 06:33.24 | caphuso | freewoody: what's the problem you want to solve? |
| 06:33.28 | karsten | tracer: lspci |
| 06:33.35 | bosewicht | anyone actually use the gis repos? i can't get them added |
| 06:33.39 | karsten | caphuso: kernel FW messages to console |
| 06:33.42 | freewoody | I want to disable the firewall logs off the console |
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| 06:33.57 | caphuso | do the -c2 trick in /etc/init.d/sysklogd |
| 06:33.58 | tuppa | hrm |
| 06:33.58 | freewoody | to a separate log file |
| 06:34.00 | simonrvn | freewoody: WE TOLD YOU HOW. STOP IGNORING US AND GO DO IT |
| 06:34.14 | tuppa | anyone having issues with raid and 2.6.8-2-686-smp? |
| 06:34.19 | freewoody | Well I stil dont' get it |
| 06:34.21 | tracer | karsten: rage 128 pro |
| 06:34.25 | bosewicht | anyone help with this repo?? --> http://pkg-grass.alioth.debian.org/cgi-bin/wiki.pl?DebianGisRepository |
| 06:35.02 | karsten | tracer: Not familiar w/ it. Ask channel. |
| 06:35.04 | simonrvn | freewoody: re-read it until you do get it |
| 06:35.12 | karsten | !tell tuppa about smart questions. |
| 06:35.19 | karsten | tuppa: Describe your problem. |
| 06:35.27 | bosewicht | what about r128? |
| 06:35.51 | tracer | bosewicht: i cant switch between ttys using alt and come back to the gui |
| 06:35.54 | peterS | bosewicht: he can't switch in and out of graphics mode freely, it seems |
| 06:36.00 | tracer | yeag' |
| 06:36.02 | tracer | yeah* |
| 06:36.13 | tuppa | karsten: Installed sarge from d-i, configured software RAID1 using d-i, sarge booted happily |
| 06:36.15 | bosewicht | does x freeze or nothing happen? |
| 06:36.31 | tracer | it just shows a bunch of diagnostic text |
| 06:37.03 | tuppa | karsten: once booted to newly installed sarge, did an apt-get install kernel-image-2.6.8-2-686-smp, reboot |
| 06:37.14 | bosewicht | alt+ctrl+f# and u get diags? |
| 06:37.18 | tuppa | new kernel reported with bad uuid while trying to mount md0 |
| 06:37.27 | tracer | bosewicht: yes |
| 06:37.29 | bosewicht | what video mod are u using? |
| 06:37.34 | tracer | mod? |
| 06:37.35 | tuppa | however the default 2.6.8 kernel booted fine (noted that it's UP as well) |
| 06:37.46 | bosewicht | vesa or r128? |
| 06:38.02 | tracer | bosewicht: dunno, is that in the x11 config file? |
| 06:38.06 | tracer | i could check it |
| 06:38.17 | bosewicht | r128 is the rage pro 128 mod...i have that same card and it works fine |
| 06:38.26 | karsten | tuppa: Describe your problem -- but not to me. |
| 06:38.29 | tracer | it WAS working fine, dunno |
| 06:38.36 | transgress | thank god amazon makes it so easy to spend my money |
| 06:38.49 | tuppa | karsten: I'm sure others can read it too |
| 06:39.09 | nagual | anyone tried the google accelerator yet and wishes to make a statement about its efficiency? |
| 06:39.13 | tracer | karsten: ill check it out |
| 06:39.14 | karsten | tracer: One thought: if you use a different driver, do you have the same problem? Can you fall back to vesa and check toggling X/console? |
| 06:39.36 | tracer | karsten: i have not even installed a driver for this card, that.. may be the probelm |
| 06:39.46 | karsten | tuppa: Just FYI. I don't have current RAID experience. There should be some relatively recent RAID root FS docs via google. |
| 06:39.57 | bosewicht | x11 config what card did u choose? |
| 06:39.58 | karsten | tracer: Not installed. Configured via dpgk-reconfigure xserver-xfree86 |
| 06:40.00 | tracer | karsten: i dont think there is a driver for this card |
| 06:40.16 | tracer | karsten: oh, right |
| 06:40.19 | tuppa | karsten: I RTF* before coming here to ask |
| 06:40.20 | bosewicht | modprobe r128 |
| 06:40.59 | bosewicht | check the config to see what "driver" xfree is using |
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| 06:41.31 | tracer | its bosewicht: modprobe r128 gives nothing |
| 06:41.38 | tracer | its bosewicht: but no error either |
| 06:41.40 | bosewicht | right, it won't |
| 06:41.49 | bosewicht | it just loads the module |
| 06:41.53 | tracer | aaah |
| 06:42.17 | bosewicht | check the config to see what video card u are using |
| 06:42.31 | bosewicht | the ram on that card is 32 i think |
| 06:43.03 | karsten | peterS: ooh, --bind is purty... |
| 06:43.16 | peterS | pretty useful feature, yeah |
| 06:43.24 | karsten | peterS: ...though I notice usage for /home and /usr is markedly similar.... |
| 06:43.38 | tracer | bosewicht: your right on the ram, but it says im using the |
| 06:43.46 | tracer | bosewicht: 'ati' driver |
| 06:43.47 | peterS | you mean 'df' stats? yeah.... |
| 06:44.04 | freewoody | cafuego |
| 06:44.17 | bosewicht | ok....let me check something |
| 06:44.24 | freewoody | How do I see the logs from /dev/tty12 ? |
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| 06:45.22 | bosewicht | change the driver to "r128" |
| 06:45.27 | tracer | ok |
| 06:45.46 | Xsquared | hi, i keep getting this error when trying to setup sqwebmail "An error occured in function write: Transport endpoint is not connected" How should i go about fixing this? |
| 06:46.09 | tracer | bosewicht: done, ill restart and see what happenes |
| 06:46.24 | bosewicht | just ctrl+alt+backspace should work |
| 06:48.04 | bosewicht | hope he changed the right line |
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| 06:49.08 | tracer | Nothing, its still broken, and my ethernet card is is promisc. mode for some reason, i better reinstall :P |
| 06:49.18 | bosewicht | ok |
| 06:49.35 | tracer | thanks for your help |
| 06:49.46 | bosewicht | u don't need to reinstall tho |
| 06:49.49 | bosewicht | too late |
| 06:49.52 | Xsquared | bit late |
| 06:50.13 | bosewicht | reinstall and reboot 2 signs of a noobie |
| 06:50.25 | Xsquared | yup |
| 06:50.40 | Xsquared | ive never rebooted lol |
| 06:50.49 | Xsquared | only when the power went out |
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| 06:51.39 | transgress | i reboot for new kernels |
| 06:51.41 | bosewicht | lol...i installed a distro once and forgot to install the kernel...lol...i just booted the cd, used that kernel and basically copied it over then did a dist ugrade....y reinstall? lol |
| 06:51.48 | transgress | and when i installed my radeon |
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| 06:53.30 | dad | How can I see the EXACT output of what happened at boot? My eth0 is erroring (i quickly see it on boot) but /var/log/syslog doesn't show the error, neither does dmesg |
| 06:53.39 | Xsquared | dad: dmesg |
| 06:53.42 | tuppa | cool |
| 06:53.44 | dad | doesn't show it.. |
| 06:53.45 | tuppa | problem solved |
| 06:53.55 | Xsquared | dad: look in the system log then |
| 06:53.57 | tuppa | had to rerun mkinitrd to generate a new initrd image for RAID |
| 06:54.15 | Xsquared | dad: err |
| 06:54.16 | caphuso | dad: check /var/log/dmesg |
| 06:54.19 | dad | Xsquared: /var/log/syslog ? i did :p |
| 06:54.34 | dad | caphuso: isn't 'dmesg' just a 'cat /var/log/dmesg' ? |
| 06:54.34 | Xsquared | dad: what caphuso said |
| 06:54.38 | caphuso | dad: no |
| 06:55.00 | dad | alright, ill check that out.. brb.. thanks |
| 06:55.07 | caphuso | dmesg shows the current kernel message buffer, /var/log/dmesg is "dmesg > /var/log/dmesg" right after boot |
| 06:55.15 | Xsquared | bit late |
| 06:55.38 | karsten | caphuso: ...but it misses some stuff, notably the sysvinit messages. |
| 06:56.01 | caphuso | karsten: those don't go into the kernel message ring |
| 06:56.14 | karsten | caphuso: I know. Are they logged anywhere? |
| 06:56.30 | caphuso | karsten: with bootlogd into /var/log/boot |
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| 06:56.53 | karsten | caphuso: Sweet. |
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| 06:56.57 | caphuso | there are mixed opinions about bootlodg though |
| 06:57.20 | simonrvn | both useful and annoying at the same time |
| 06:57.57 | caphuso | simonrvn: just like computers generally are :) |
| 06:58.56 | freewoody | I diasbed kern.* /dev/console |
| 06:59.04 | freewoody | But the logs are still coming |
| 06:59.11 | simonrvn | caphuso: yup :) |
| 07:00.31 | idnar | mmph. jabber's ssl support seems very flaky |
| 07:00.49 | jon787 | I'm getting lots of hanging with NFS, no timeouts from the server |
| 07:00.51 | jon787 | it just locks up |
| 07:00.53 | simonrvn | freewoody: i have this: "kernel.printk=3 3 1 7" in /etc/sysctl.conf. Works For Me(tm) |
| 07:00.55 | jon787 | any clues? |
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| 07:01.16 | atrus | idnar: how so? |
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| 07:02.06 | freewoody | kernel.printk=3 3 1 7 without the quotes ?? |
| 07:02.32 | freewoody | simonrvn ??? |
| 07:02.53 | simonrvn | yes. then do sysctl -p once you save the file |
| 07:02.54 | jm_ | freewoody: for the last time - /msg dpkg printk console |
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| 07:03.03 | freewoody | thanks |
| 07:03.10 | simonrvn | jm_: *sigh* |
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| 07:04.19 | n0ub | hi! i have 3 nic's on my computer eth0.eth1 are with the net from 2 diferent isp and one card is with the local area network! how do i find out what what card i am using for internet ??? |
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| 07:04.38 | bosewicht | ifconfig? |
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| 07:04.51 | n0ub | i have 2 nic's |
| 07:04.57 | n0ub | with 2 diferent isp's |
| 07:05.19 | simonrvn | yes, and? how would that matter how you see what the ifaces are? |
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| 07:06.54 | n0ub | my question is i am using xchat which one of the isp i will use the ips on eth0 or isp on eth1?? |
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| 07:09.08 | zophyx_ | n0ub: your routing table and/or your firewall will determine that |
| 07:09.10 | gogo_ | hi http://cpp.enisoc.com/pastebin/?5658 |
| 07:09.17 | gogo_ | i have problem witch tomcat |
| 07:09.51 | n0ub | zophyx_ thx |
| 07:09.58 | zophyx_ | if you don't have have any fancy routing or firewalling, then you will connect through your default route |
| 07:10.17 | gogo_ | I instaled the j2 but and he have some problem witch path that i change the path and is the same |
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| 07:11.52 | freewoody | T"kernel.printk=3 3 1 7" in /etc/sysctl.conf still prints firewall logs in the screen |
| 07:12.02 | freewoody | But this time, it is very little |
| 07:12.13 | Shorty__ | anyone know of any firewall generation stuff, that's based on MySQL backend? |
| 07:12.22 | jm_ | freewoody: /msg dpkg printk console |
| 07:12.28 | jm_ | now this is really the last time |
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| 07:12.37 | jm_ | Shorty__: wtf? |
| 07:12.56 | Shorty__ | jm_: a firewall script that uses mysql to store the rules |
| 07:13.34 | IDC | is it safe to enable 32bit mode for HDD ? |
| 07:13.52 | IDC | right now mine is -> IO_support = 0 (default 16-bit) |
| 07:14.00 | jm_ | Shorty__: why? what would that gain you? |
| 07:14.24 | Shorty__ | jm_: looking at writing a firewall front-end for our colocation customers. |
| 07:14.29 | Shorty__ | so they can maintain their own firewall |
| 07:14.40 | dserban | if i write a service control script for /etc/init.d/ and I use a seperate functions script... where should that script be in the filesystem? |
| 07:15.22 | jm_ | Shorty__: that doesn't mean it has to be stored in mysql |
| 07:15.30 | karsten | dserban: /usr/local someplace. You own that |
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| 07:16.16 | Shorty__ | jm_: I believe it'd be the easiest place to store it... have you got other ideas I take it? |
| 07:16.27 | Shorty__ | I'm open to suggestion. |
| 07:16.50 | Laosiano | hi, i need help to install mp3 support |
| 07:17.13 | simonrvn | "is there xml support in the kernel?" ;p |
| 07:17.34 | Laosiano | how do i know? |
| 07:17.36 | jm_ | Shorty__: well it could be a text file too, doesn't really matter much - there's plenty of front-ends for iptables, check if one of them meets your requirements (or mayb look if you can reuse openwall's scripts) |
| 07:17.53 | macks | i accidentally typed apt-get dist-upgrade....i am running the stable version of debian did i screw up my cpu? i mean i know it only updates whats int he repository which is all stable stuff...but could it install any sarge stuff? |
| 07:18.05 | dserban | karsten, own what? /usr/local? |
| 07:18.10 | caphuso | macks: not if your sources.list doesn't contain sarge stuff |
| 07:18.22 | macks | the only thing i added was irssi |
| 07:18.28 | simonrvn | macks: doesn't matter - if you didn't change sources.list |
| 07:18.37 | macks | ok |
| 07:18.39 | macks | thank you |
| 07:19.00 | Laosiano | need help for mp3, can someone? |
| 07:19.05 | EvanCarroll | How do i get dpkg-reconfigure to be able to reconfigure xserver-xfree86 after configuring it by hand? |
| 07:19.05 | karsten | dserban: APT and Debian's package management _don't_ interfere with what you do in your own $HOME tree, or in /usr/local. Generally, local/system files go under the /usr/local hierarchy. |
| 07:19.30 | caphuso | EvanCarroll: /msg dpkg x md5sum |
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| 07:20.12 | EvanCarroll | thanks again caphuso! |
| 07:20.23 | IDC | how do i enable DMA mode for hdd using hdparm ? |
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| 07:20.47 | Agrajag- | IDC: -d 1 |
| 07:20.50 | IDC | in kernel im sure DMA support is added,but now do hdparm -v /dev/hda , there is a line 'using_dma = 0 (off)' |
| 07:21.05 | macks | has anyone ever installed mambo or does anyone use mambo on their debian stable box here? |
| 07:21.09 | IDC | Agrajag-, thanks |
| 07:21.21 | macks | i have run into what appears to be a debian only problem :( |
| 07:21.46 | IDC | Agrajag-, will the change be kept after a reboot ? |
| 07:22.04 | liable | IDC: no |
| 07:22.12 | IDC | oh |
| 07:22.21 | IDC | hmm |
| 07:22.30 | Laosiano | someone knows how to enable mp3 playback? |
| 07:22.39 | Laosiano | what deb is it |
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| 07:23.01 | liable | IDC: hdparm.conf |
| 07:23.01 | IDC | also i wanna enable the 32bit I/O transfer mode for HDD,now there is -> IO_support = 0 (default 16-bit) |
| 07:23.09 | pngwn | IDC, man hdparm |
| 07:23.13 | IDC | liable, i will check that one |
| 07:23.13 | karsten | Laosiano: apt-cache search mp3 |
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| 07:23.43 | karsten | What's the good way to go through a mail queue and clean out, say, 5k stale messages? |
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| 07:24.08 | IDC | but anyway,for enabling 32bit I/O mode for HDD, hdparm -c 3 or hdparm -c 1,which one is better ? |
| 07:24.24 | Laosiano | ok thanks |
| 07:24.29 | Guerin | goddamnit, this day has been all about unexplained failures and no error messages |
| 07:24.57 | Guerin | when logging into imap, I get 'login failed', but no error messages anywhere |
| 07:25.21 | Guerin | my vhosts in apache are serving straight out of /var/www instead of their own docroots |
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| 07:26.13 | Guerin | for some reason when I did woody->sarge a bunch of important packages (mysql, spamassassin, php, imapd) didn't get upgraded ... just removed |
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| 07:26.47 | Guerin | and it's cinco de mayo and I'm supposed to make mexican food and entertain people here in about 2 hours |
| 07:27.06 | Guerin | and the hot water to our apartment has mysteriously turned cold |
| 07:27.14 | Guerin | ... i'm not making this shit up, people. |
| 07:28.17 | karsten | Guerin: Sounds like the Mexican revolution has arrived, my friend. |
| 07:28.40 | Guerin | i'm not french, you bastards! |
| 07:28.58 | dserban | thank you karsten |
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| 07:29.07 | simonrvn | Guerin: shit happens |
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| 07:29.40 | karsten | Guerin: Remember the Alamo! |
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| 07:31.29 | simonrvn | karsten: do you know anyone that would? i very much doubt it. |
| 07:31.35 | simonrvn | karsten: ;) |
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| 07:32.01 | simonrvn | karsten is a spam bot :P |
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| 07:33.10 | karsten | simonrvn: It's not spam! It's opt-in! |
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| 07:33.46 | xian | hi all |
| 07:34.00 | xian | i have a strange problem with sarge |
| 07:34.12 | xian | i want to enable ssh X11Forwarding |
| 07:34.20 | xian | but it does not work |
| 07:34.23 | simonrvn | gawds |
| 07:34.30 | xian | DISPLAY is not set |
| 07:34.48 | xian | it happens on several servers |
| 07:34.52 | stew | xian: /msg dpkg sshx ; /msg dpkg debug sshd |
| 07:35.41 | xian | the strange thing that on new installs it does not work but on older (but upgraded) sarge systems it works |
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| 07:36.37 | Laosiano | hi, someone knows what deb for playing mp3? |
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| 07:36.47 | Guerin | Laosiano: mpg321 |
| 07:37.04 | Xsquared | hi, i keep getting this error when trying to setup sqwebmail "An error occured in function write: Transport endpoint is not connected" How should i go about fixing this? |
| 07:37.53 | ho0ber | howdy guys. I recently installed sarge on a machine and I am now starting to use it more as a server, so i tried disabling X, but it seems like it cannot run normal command line. I do not get a prompt, I get messages from some of my processes |
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| 07:38.56 | karsten | xian: If you're going to forward an X session, you need to have a session to forward it to. |
| 07:39.12 | karsten | xian: Run from an existing X session. Make sure remote allows X11 fwd. |
| 07:39.26 | xian | ssh -v -X solved the problem |
| 07:39.26 | bbrazil | ho0ber: try the second virtual terminal, the prompt is there, its just overwritten byg log lines |
| 07:39.32 | xian | i had no xauth installed |
| 07:39.38 | xian | thanx for help!!! |
| 07:39.39 | karsten | xian: And run '-v' option for debugging output. You should see the X11 negotiation toward the end of the session setup. |
| 07:40.00 | karsten | xian: NP |
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| 07:40.10 | xian | bye all |
| 07:40.36 | IDC | I made changes in /etc/hdparm.conf,after a reboot, do hdparm -v /dev/hda, nothing change :( |
| 07:40.38 | ho0ber | bbrazil: no dice. before I could switch to the second one, but there was just the blinking _ |
| 07:40.42 | ho0ber | now I cant even switch |
| 07:40.48 | qwertz | Hi! Does anybody know the differences between the dhcp-servers in "dhcp" and "dhcp3-server" packages, especially if dhcp3 needs a special dhcp client (cuase it comes with its own)? |
| 07:41.06 | bbrazil | ho0ber: this is bad, you have access to a shell on the system? |
| 07:41.18 | Gathond | qwertz: the version of it I think, try reading the descriptions of the packages with apt-cache show |
| 07:41.24 | ho0ber | yeah, I do. I can just ssh and remotely do whatever |
| 07:41.31 | ho0ber | including restarting x, so no real issue |
| 07:41.38 | ho0ber | I just dont want X ;) |
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| 07:42.54 | qwertz | Gathond, read what apt-cache stated, problem is I don't know if version 3 needs a special client or runs also with a standard dhcp client (have to supply some win boxes too) |
| 07:42.55 | bbrazil | ho0ber: are there any gettys running? |
| 07:43.18 | ho0ber | bbrazil: noob here, be more specific? |
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| 07:43.26 | jhai1 | Sorry if this has been asked a lot. When Sarge is released as stable, is it safe to simply replace the apt-get sources and upgrade? Or is there a better way? |
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| 07:43.55 | bbrazil | ho0ber: ps auxww | grep getty |
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| 07:44.16 | ho0ber | bbrazil: nothing |
| 07:44.31 | bbrazil | ho0ber: init q (as root) |
| 07:45.07 | ho0ber | woot |
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| 07:45.36 | Gathond | qwertz: I dont think version 3 is incompatible with version 2 clients no |
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| 07:45.57 | colk | jhai1, i just bascially did it and had no real issues |
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| 07:46.02 | qwertz | Gathond, thanks so I'll give it a try |
| 07:46.06 | ho0ber | bbrazil: okay, so I'm here on the actual machine now. but does this gain me anything over what I could do from ssh? not sure how to proceed from here |
| 07:46.50 | bbrazil | ho0ber: neither am I, can you check your logs for messages about too many respawns, disabling for x minutes |
| 07:47.57 | jhai1 | colk: Thanks. I've just realised that I don't even need to update /etc/apt/sources.list as it is pointing to 'stable'. I assume this will get switched automatically. |
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| 07:48.09 | Xsquared | can anyone help me with my question ^^ ;) |
| 07:48.15 | ho0ber | bbrazil: noob question, but how would I go about looking at my logs (never before had the need) |
| 07:48.28 | bbrazil | ho0ber: less /var/log/messages |
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| 07:48.58 | ondo | hiii! how can i see the modules FATAL error when the kernel is loading? |
| 07:49.12 | simonrvn | jhai1: yeh, sarge will become 'stable' (in name and otherwise) |
| 07:49.13 | karsten | Yay. "Speedup is 779.30" |
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| 07:50.49 | ondo | hey anybody know my quest? |
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| 07:51.21 | Xsquared | ondo: dmesg? |
| 07:51.35 | ondo | no |
| 07:51.54 | ondo | dmesg doesnt show me the errors.. :-( |
| 07:52.21 | Xsquared | ondo: system log? |
| 07:52.38 | karsten | ondo: dmesg. /var/log/kern.log. /var/log/messages |
| 07:52.39 | ho0ber | bbrazil: nothing of that sort in the logs :-/ |
| 07:53.04 | bbrazil | ho0ber: anything at all about gettys? |
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| 07:53.39 | ho0ber | nope, not a thing |
| 07:53.47 | ondo | karsten: i ve already search in those files, but DONT APPEAR |
| 07:53.50 | ondo | Xd |
| 07:54.05 | bbrazil | ho0ber: can you check inittab to make sure you have the getty lines? |
| 07:54.31 | ondo | Karnaugh: and...in syslog, also |
| 07:54.52 | ho0ber | bbrazil: what should I expect to see? |
| 07:55.05 | bbrazil | ho0ber: 1:2345:respawn:/sbin/getty 38400 tty1 |
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| 07:55.21 | ho0ber | yep, 1-6 there |
| 07:55.22 | bbrazil | throguh to tty6 |
| 07:55.32 | bbrazil | ho0ber: this is quite strange |
| 07:55.35 | karsten | ondo: Try removing and reloading the module. |
| 07:55.40 | ho0ber | bbrazil: tell me about it ;) |
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| 07:56.00 | bbrazil | ho0ber: you're tried all the VTs? |
| 07:56.31 | ho0ber | bbrazil: yep, all just gave me a blinking _ or most recently I couldn't even go to them |
| 07:56.58 | ondo | karsten: hahaha, thats the prob, i cant see the module, cause load, very fast!!! |
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| 07:57.27 | bbrazil | ho0ber: it probably closed them, try using openvt to force a shell on one of them |
| 07:57.34 | Akselii | hey |
| 07:58.06 | ho0ber | yeah, that works now, but it probably wont when I reboot :-/ |
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| 07:58.51 | bbrazil | ho0ber: it *should* work when you reboot, try opening a getty on one of them |
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| 07:59.27 | JohnnyST | There is one package that is kept back for me "kdepim" how can I see why? |
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| 07:59.59 | Guerin | JohnnyST: apt-get -s install kdepim ; see what packages are installed/uninstalled |
| 08:00.08 | JohnnyST | ok |
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| 08:00.34 | neoXite | my box sits between two networks, each network with it's own dns-server, i can't get my box to resolve names from both nets. |
| 08:00.36 | karsten | I'm building up a system on a new disk (replacing a dying drive). |
| 08:01.08 | karsten | How do I set up GRUB? I'm currently slave, I'll be master in the target system. Does 'grub-install' work, or do I need to rerun on the new box? |
| 08:01.29 | neoXite | i've tried adding both dns-servers to /etc/resolv.conf, but i just get answers from the 1st server i put in there |
| 08:01.51 | Guerin | once brub-install is run on a specific drive, it should Just Work as long as it knows where to find root |
| 08:01.55 | SlayerCE | neoXite: correct. |
| 08:01.57 | karsten | neoXite: man resolv.conf |
| 08:02.07 | Guerin | you may have to pass a root= param the first time then run update-grub |
| 08:02.15 | karsten | neoXite: You can, IIRC, specify round-robin. Default is that the first server is queried, the second only if the first times out. |
| 08:02.34 | neoXite | so interviewing two different server is just possible using a local bind server? |
| 08:02.38 | karsten | Guerin: parse error. "then run" ? |
| 08:02.53 | jm_ | karsten: not sure about grub-install or its built-in setup command, but with its install command there's a flag 'd' which affects this - if d is present, then it will load stage2 from the device it was installed on as opposed to the device it booted from (needed with buggy BIOS-es) |
| 08:02.57 | ho0ber | bbrazil: i'm beginning to think that it is something related to some processes I have start when the machine boots. What is the best way / place to run commands on boot? |
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| 08:03.10 | Gehana | Hey all - I'm working on a school project that required me to use Debian and setup a webserver at my local high school. Recently the IT department unhooked it from the network saying it was "causing problems with the phone" and that it was "plugged in for an hour yesterday, even after unplugging it there were 'residual' problems". Any ideas on what he could be talking about? Im running Apache2/MySQL/Samba. |
| 08:03.15 | Guerin | karsten: once you've booted the new box by manually adding a root= or boot= stanza, you run update-grub so it can autodetect where everything is |
| 08:03.25 | karsten | jm_: Hrm. |
| 08:03.37 | Gehana | phone systems* |
| 08:03.41 | bbrazil | !init.d |
| 08:03.41 | dpkg | somebody said init.d was where most Debian startup scripts go. To add your own, copy /etc/init.d/skeleton to myscript and make it do the appropriate thing on start and stop, at least. Then "update-rc.d myscript default". See also update-rc.d and /usr/share/doc/sysvinit |
| 08:03.44 | bbrazil | ho0ber: ^ |
| 08:03.53 | Guerin | Gehana: with the phone? what's it doing plugged into a phone line? |
| 08:04.00 | karsten | Guerin: OK. |
| 08:04.01 | bob2 | Gehana: they're stupid and/or lying. |
| 08:04.07 | Guerin | i say both |
| 08:04.08 | karsten | Guerin: Sounds sane... |
| 08:04.16 | Gehana | Geurin: Its not, either our phones are networked or he knows something I dont. |
| 08:04.20 | bob2 | unless you're using a modem on PABX |
| 08:04.28 | bob2 | but then I think your modem would just explode |
| 08:04.33 | bob2 | rather than causing line problems |
| 08:04.38 | Guerin | Gehana: tell him to provide you with more information so you can fix the error |
| 08:04.42 | ho0ber | bbrazil: yeah, but say I want to start opendchub, do i need to make a script and use init.d ? |
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| 08:04.59 | Gehana | Geurin: I was never given the chance, he came in before school unplugged everything and actually took the router I was using. |
| 08:05.00 | bbrazil | ho0ber: that should come with its own scripts |
| 08:05.02 | karsten | Gehana: You're surrounded by idiots. |
| 08:05.21 | ho0ber | bbrazil: just not certain how that all works. I'm going to reboot now and see if my cleaning up this mess changes anything |
| 08:05.22 | Guerin | Gehana: i concur with Karsten |
| 08:05.33 | Gehana | karsten: When I was told this information thats the same conclusion I came to. I think that there was a network problem and he blamed it on the one unknown rather than trying to fix it. |
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| 08:05.53 | Gehana | This IT guy is a former teacher, he has been the IT guy for my school district for 20 years. |
| 08:06.02 | karsten | Gehana: Highly likely. |
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| 08:06.46 | Gehana | I asked for a meeting with him to discuss the problem |
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| 08:06.46 | karsten | Gehana: On the other side: I'm working with a school. They've got *two* admin staff for 600+ systems. Industry standard is 1:10 - 1:20. |
| 08:06.47 | patad | i forgot how to extract a tar.gz... |
| 08:06.52 | karsten | Gehana: ...and generally, school admins tend to be underqualified. |
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| 08:07.24 | karsten | Gehana: Treat it as a teaching opportunity. Find out what his problem was, why he thought it was you, and what you can possibly do to make his life easier. |
| 08:07.29 | patad | whats the command to extract TAR.GZ |
| 08:07.30 | Gehana | karsten: Thats what I was trying to argue to my school director. I was actually offered a possible position at the school next year (after graduation). |
| 08:07.36 | karsten | Gehana: You're a student? |
| 08:07.40 | Gehana | Yep. |
| 08:07.42 | karsten | patad: tar. |
| 08:07.55 | karsten | Gehana: Score. |
| 08:08.01 | karsten | Gehana: Jobs in the current market are a Good Thing. |
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| 08:08.12 | Gehana | The thing he unplugged is my "SEAP" Senior Exit Action Project |
| 08:08.15 | nahemoth235 | hi, want to install debian on my notebook, but does debian support my whole hardware ? where can i look for this? |
| 08:08.20 | karsten | patad: man tar |
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| 08:08.55 | karsten | Gehana: Get over it. |
| 08:08.56 | Gehana | Is there anything that Debian could be doing to cause -any- sort of network problem? |
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| 08:09.16 | karsten | Gehana: ...though explain why that's not a particularly good thing to do. |
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| 08:10.24 | Gehana | I have noticed that it tends to "stall" whenever updating, but I've never noted that as a major problem before. |
| 08:10.25 | karsten | Gehana: I've found a few interesting things. Had a problem when using a DHCP-assigned address that certain services Just Didn't Work (XDMCP IIRC). Took a static IP (within DHCP lease space) and had periodic timeout issues. We resolved w/ a static assigned IP, much better now. |
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| 08:10.54 | nahemoth235 | hm |
| 08:10.56 | karsten | Gehana: If you're statically assigning an IP in a DHCP network, yes, that can cause hassles. |
| 08:11.12 | IDC | I cannot get my hdd working at DMA mode |
| 08:11.22 | Gehana | Alright, thanks karsten |
| 08:11.33 | ho0ber | bbrazil: hrm.... it seems to be sticking up on reboot. when it does "Checking all file systems..." does it sometimes stick for several minutes or something? |
| 08:11.34 | karsten | Gehana: Other stuff: running your own DHCP server could be rough, and there's a ton of paranoia about kids on school networks with Linux. Largely unfounded, but that doesn't address the paranoia... |
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| 08:12.08 | Gehana | I will completely agree with the paranoia part |
| 08:12.09 | karsten | Gehana: And for the school admin, it's basically a case of "piss of one kid vs. piss of 3000 kids + teachers + staff + administrators". |
| 08:12.20 | karsten | Gehana: Guess which way *that* decision tree goes ;-) |
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| 08:12.41 | Gehana | heh |
| 08:12.48 | IDC | I mean,is that true we all have to have our HDD working at non-DMA mode in Linux ? |
| 08:12.59 | karsten | Gehana: Fact is, if the network integrity is threatened by a legit Linux box, they've got far worse problems. Question is whether or not they even want to know about them. |
| 08:13.02 | jm_ | IDC: bollocks |
| 08:13.17 | IDC | Because even you add DMA support with hdparm,but after a reboot,all jobs are lost |
| 08:13.21 | karsten | IDC: No. |
| 08:13.31 | IDC | how ? |
| 08:13.31 | karsten | IDC: /etc/init.d/hdparm |
| 08:13.42 | IDC | Karnaugh, oh,please wait :) |
| 08:13.46 | jm_ | well doh, setting it like is not persistant accross reboots - any decent machine will enable it by default |
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| 08:13.51 | Gehana | karsten I network is plagued by constant viruses and random network outages |
| 08:13.59 | karsten | IDC: Learn tab completion. |
| 08:14.03 | Gehana | I don't know if thats anything unusual though |
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| 08:14.06 | jm_ | Debian uses /etc/hdparm.conf for that, at least in Sarge |
| 08:14.09 | simonrvn | sounds like a m$hit network |
| 08:14.14 | karsten | Gehana: Yeah, but that's not Linux's fault ;-) |
| 08:14.15 | Gehana | Yes |
| 08:14.22 | Gehana | Novell/WinXP |
| 08:14.29 | IDC | karsten, lol ,sorry :) |
| 08:14.29 | karsten | Gehana: Google 'karsten self', go to homepage, read linked NY Times article. |
| 08:14.45 | karsten | Gehana: ...spyware / malware's mind-bogglingly bad. |
| 08:14.54 | Gehana | Yep |
| 08:15.07 | Gehana | Each browser window has atleast two search bars on them |
| 08:15.10 | bbrazil | ho0ber: this is more interesting, you might have a bad HDD - or a corrupted fsck |
| 08:15.17 | simonrvn | fresh install of winxp: 15 min to infection |
| 08:15.19 | karsten | IDC: Put your hdparm settings in /etc/init.d/hdparm |
| 08:15.20 | IDC | jm_, really ? but i have uncomment stuff in /etc/hdparm.conf,after reboot, hdparm -v /dev/hda,nothing changed |
| 08:15.29 | simonrvn | ..once it hits the 'net |
| 08:15.36 | ho0ber | bbrazil: nah, it went. maybe I was supposed to hit enter, and I have no PS2 keyboard hooked up |
| 08:15.36 | karsten | simonrvn: < 30 seconds. On dialup. |
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| 08:15.42 | Gehana | The best way I' |
| 08:15.43 | Gehana | I' |
| 08:15.46 | simonrvn | gotten worse i see |
| 08:15.49 | karsten | simonrvn: That from the teacher I'm working with. |
| 08:15.53 | Gehana | I've found to combat the spyware is just to constantly ghost the machines :p |
| 08:16.14 | karsten | simonrvn: Indeed. |
| 08:16.19 | ho0ber | bbrazil: and now that i removed those things I get a prompt. So I guess I just need some help with init.d for some things... |
| 08:16.31 | karsten | Gehana: Best way I've found is to roll out Debian onto 'em. ;-) |
| 08:16.36 | bbrazil | ho0ber: if it stuck on that particular message I'd be worried, but fsck can take a while |
| 08:17.23 | ho0ber | bbrazil: nah, it was after it checked and said it was good |
| 08:17.23 | ho0ber | bbrazil: i just waited for it to do anything else |
| 08:17.23 | jm_ | IDC: it won't work if your kernel lacks support for your IDE chipset |
| 08:17.28 | IDC | karsten, you mean manully add them in /etc/init.d/hdparm ? |
| 08:17.39 | simonrvn | hdparm.conf |
| 08:17.44 | IDC | jm_, for sure i have added DMA support to kernel |
| 08:17.51 | ho0ber | bbrazil: how do I add something in /etc/init.d/ to the list of things that auto-start? |
| 08:17.56 | jm_ | IDC: that's not enough |
| 08:18.00 | simonrvn | IDC: he didn't say that |
| 08:18.05 | Gehana | karsten: I proposed a Debian test lab.. Its makes -so- much sense. The only reason I use Windows half the time is to game, which you shouldn't even be doing at school. Plus its free! :D |
| 08:18.12 | Gehana | they ignored it though |
| 08:18.18 | IDC | jm_, intel 845 |
| 08:18.20 | karsten | IDC: Unless you prefer typing with your feet. |
| 08:18.25 | bbrazil | ho0ber: I dunno, and I have to head into college now |
| 08:18.34 | IDC | huh ? |
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| 08:18.52 | ho0ber | bbrazil: thanks a lot for your help |
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| 08:19.10 | jm_ | IDC: enable PIIX support too |
| 08:19.16 | karsten | Gehana: Oi. I'm looking at an LTSP-type setup. But based on Debian. One server (AthlonXP 1.7GHz 512 MB 80 GB) should drive a mess of workstations. |
| 08:19.17 | IDC | i just want to 1. enable DMA access for HDD . 2. enable 32bit I/O transfer mode for HDD,by default the 1st = off, the 2nd =16 bit |
| 08:19.20 | jm_ | IDC: check /proc/ide/hda |
| 08:19.24 | tracer | Im having trouble letting someone connect to my SSH server, do you have to give explicit permissoins for their ip or somthing? (they are using putty) |
| 08:19.28 | jm_ | err /proc/ide/piix |
| 08:19.35 | IDC | jm_, i have added PIIX to kernel ,like alway do |
| 08:19.54 | jm_ | IDC: see if you have the above mentioned file |
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| 08:20.21 | IDC | cache driver identify model smart_thresholds capacity geometry media settings smart_values |
| 08:20.28 | karsten | tracer: Check /var/log/daemon.log /var/log/auth.log |
| 08:21.00 | tracer | yup |
| 08:21.02 | tracer | he is in there |
| 08:21.12 | IDC | jm_, strange,there isnt PIIX stuff,but i am very sure i have added PIIX support to kernel |
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| 08:21.26 | tracer | failed keyboard interactive pam for illegal user... |
| 08:21.33 | tracer | how do i give the user permissions? |
| 08:21.52 | Gehana | Karsten: Do you know of an easy and efficent way to roll out Firefox on a large number of machines? |
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| 08:22.00 | dondelelcaro | tracer: uh, does the account actually exist? |
| 08:22.04 | tracer | oops, nevermind, he was using a capitol lertter |
| 08:22.05 | tracer | hehe |
| 08:22.06 | tracer | sorry |
| 08:22.15 | tracer | capital* letter* |
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| 08:22.30 | jm_ | IDC: that's what they all say ;) |
| 08:22.34 | karsten | Gehana: LTSP ;-) |
| 08:22.48 | IDC | jm_, im sure i did it |
| 08:22.53 | karsten | Gehana: Seriously, for 'Doze, enterprise deployment and management somewhat lack for FFX. |
| 08:23.20 | Gehana | karsten: Something that I can present to my IT department that they will understand? ;p |
| 08:23.23 | karsten | Gehana: There's systems to push out deployments centrally managed, I'm not particularly familiar with them. |
| 08:23.24 | Guerin | karsten: did you not write a rant on this particular subject? |
| 08:23.27 | IDC | jm_, /usr/include/asm/mach-visws/piix4.h |
| 08:23.30 | karsten | Gehana: You familiar with Schoolforge? |
| 08:23.39 | Gehana | karsten: no |
| 08:23.43 | karsten | Gehana: .... http://www.schoolforge.net/ |
| 08:23.56 | karsten | Guerin: I've threatened to, hasn't happened yet. |
| 08:24.08 | Guerin | heh |
| 08:24.10 | Gehana | karsten: Most of the computers in the HS aren't horribly underpowered though |
| 08:24.25 | karsten | Gehana: Mailing list. Look at April archives, meeting recap. There's a tool mentioned that uses Linux to manage Windows install. |
| 08:24.26 | Gehana | So not much of a problem resource wise |
| 08:24.50 | karsten | Gehana: That's nice (really). |
| 08:24.52 | IDC | jm_, /sys/bus/pci/drivers/PIIX_IDE and /sys/bus/pci/drivers/PIIX_IDE /sys/bus/pci/drivers/PIIX_IDE/0000:00:1f.1 |
| 08:25.09 | IDC | oops,doublicated |
| 08:25.22 | karsten | Gehana: ... drop me a line off-channel. Google me (see earlier). |
| 08:25.39 | karsten | Gehana: ..there's only one of me. |
| 08:25.59 | IDC | I cannot access to google.com for right now,no idea ..:( |
| 08:26.30 | Guerin | IDC: google.ca, .com.au, .co.nz, .co.uk ...? |
| 08:26.40 | Guerin | it's all the same database |
| 08:26.45 | jm_ | IDC: if that file is not there then you are missing support for it, it's that simple |
| 08:26.58 | karsten | Grub error: /dev/hdd1 does not have any corresponding BIOS drive. |
| 08:27.01 | ho0ber | Hey, this is a really stupid sounding question, but is there a decent command line aim client out there? |
| 08:27.09 | jm_ | IDC: wait, is this 2.6 kernel? |
| 08:27.13 | Guerin | ho0ber: irssi-text |
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| 08:27.21 | IDC | Guerin, no,none of them work here at the moment,thanks anyway |
| 08:27.33 | Gehana | karsten: I'll send you an email, have to get going anyways. |
| 08:27.36 | Gehana | Thanks |
| 08:27.36 | IDC | jm_, yes,it is 2.6.11.8 |
| 08:27.53 | karsten | Gehana: Cool. Good luck with the project. |
| 08:27.58 | ho0ber | Guerin: thanks |
| 08:27.59 | jm_ | IDC: ahh yeah no such file in 2.6, let me see if there's something similar |
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| 08:28.09 | karsten | Gehana: #schoolforge here, BTW. |
| 08:28.25 | IDC | jm_, /sys/bus/pci/drivers/PIIX_IDE and /sys/bus/pci/drivers/PIIX_IDE/0000:00:1f.1 |
| 08:28.30 | Guerin | ho0ber: it's an irc client, son. Type /connect im.bitlbee.org, then type 'help' in #bitlbee |
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| 08:31.37 | jm_ | IDC: and you have set DMA to on in hdparm.conf? |
| 08:32.19 | IDC | jm_, yup,i vi /etc/hdparm.conf, uncomment it and set it to dma = on |
| 08:32.54 | jm_ | IDC: well a system like this is pretty new, it sets it on to me by default, no need to do it with hdparm here - did you check your BIOS settings? |
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| 08:33.16 | IDC | hmm |
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| 08:33.18 | Akselii | hmm |
| 08:33.35 | Akselii | if i would do a commandline install of debian (is there one?) then how would i install apt-get? |
| 08:33.42 | IDC | jm_, in BIOS there isnt a place to specify DMA access |
| 08:33.44 | jm_ | Akselii: read installation manual |
| 08:33.48 | IDC | if i recall correctly |
| 08:33.49 | caphuso | Akselii: define "commandline install" |
| 08:33.52 | Akselii | bah |
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| 08:34.15 | Akselii | caphuso, like gentoo install, just a terminal no X or anything and you just untar the stuff |
| 08:34.16 | colk | its done in consle mode |
| 08:34.25 | IDC | but usually we enable DMA by using the correct HDD cable,plus that add DMA support with Software privided by the OS itself most likely ? |
| 08:34.27 | jm_ | IDC: but it works if you do it manually with hdparm? |
| 08:34.31 | cafuego | gentoo? |
| 08:34.40 | colk | however it is done via a blue window thing |
| 08:34.41 | caphuso | Akselii: that's how all debian installations work |
| 08:34.54 | Akselii | ok |
| 08:35.08 | sldchamy | jest ktos z Polski? |
| 08:35.17 | IDC | jm_, no it doesnt work :( after reboot i check it with 'hdparm -v /dev/hda' its back to default value |
| 08:35.35 | jm_ | IDC: yes, I know that already - what happens if you try to enable it with -d? |
| 08:35.37 | karsten | Akselii: debootstrap, chroot install. |
| 08:35.42 | cafuego | !pl |
| 08:35.42 | dpkg | hmm... pl is sometimes referred to as "packet loss" |
| 08:35.47 | cafuego | !.pl |
| 08:35.47 | dpkg | hmm... .pl is Poland (or a perl extension) |
| 08:35.59 | IDC | i made hdparm -d 1 /dev/hda && hdparm -c 3 /dev/hda before rebooting though. |
| 08:35.59 | karsten | !polish |
| 08:35.59 | dpkg | extra, extra, read all about it, polish is spoken in #debian.pl (not here). Or something used to make things shiny, or a really good sausage. polska -> #debian.pl |
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| 08:36.10 | cafuego | !verbose |
| 08:36.10 | dpkg | verbose is probably try running the verbose option on that command and looking at output for likely problems. |
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| 08:36.20 | karsten | sldchamy: #debian-pl |
| 08:36.37 | cafuego | karsten: s/-/\./ |
| 08:36.50 | jm_ | IDC: that doesn't matter, the setting is only viable until you reboot - what I'm asking is "does it enable it when you do hdparm -d 1 ...?" |
| 08:37.12 | IDC | jm_, well, after i do hdparm -d 1 /dev/hda it returns "dev/hda:setting using_dma to 1 (on) using_dma = 1 (on)" |
| 08:37.34 | IDC | jm_, yup,definitely |
| 08:37.44 | jm_ | IDC: ok, so there's no reason why the same wouldn't work via /etc/hdparm.conf |
| 08:37.47 | vchrizz | hum, could someone help me? i dont know why i get this msg... |
| 08:38.00 | vchrizz | ghostbox:~# cryptsetup -s 128 create 3com /dev/volg1/logv1 |
| 08:38.00 | vchrizz | ghostbox:~# mount /dev/mapper/3com /data |
| 08:38.00 | vchrizz | mount: you must specify the filesystem type |
| 08:38.16 | jm_ | heh |
| 08:38.26 | Guerin | vchrizz: you must specify the filesystem type. |
| 08:38.30 | vchrizz | how do i find out the filesystem? |
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| 08:38.43 | aardvark | !tell vchrizz about flood |
| 08:38.44 | karsten | cafuego: Point. |
| 08:38.45 | vchrizz | i tried with -t ext2/ext3 |
| 08:38.48 | IDC | jm_, well,after i done that in command line,i check /etc/hdparm.conf,there the related item is still the '#item' so i had to uncomment it and set the correct value for it |
| 08:39.01 | karsten | cafuego: ...though I suppose he can speak Polski to himself in #debian-pl as well ;-) |
| 08:39.04 | vchrizz | aad: sorry, three lines are ok? |
| 08:39.04 | Matadamas | someone living in vancouver here? |
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| 08:39.23 | vchrizz | aardvark i mean ;) |
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| 08:39.41 | IDC | jm_, after a reboot,the changes is kept in hdparm.conf,but with doing hdparm -v /dev/hda ,i can tell nothing have been made |
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| 08:41.12 | IDC | jm_, i don't think to get hdparm working it relay on 'apmd' ?cuz i saw apmd was installed at the same time |
| 08:41.33 | IDC | i do not add APM support in kernel,but ACPI,heard they cannot work at the same time |
| 08:42.26 | jm_ | IDC: paste hdparm.conf using paster (/msg dpkg paste) |
| 08:42.37 | IDC | please wait |
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| 08:43.29 | Rayen | Hi, I am trying to build xserver-xfree86 from source, I typed : "apt-build source xserver-xfree86" but the command dpkg-buildpackage -us -uc says : " dpkg-parsechangelog: error: cannot open debian/changelog to find format: No such file or directory and dpkg-buildpackage: unable to determine source package ", how could I fix this problem (current path is /var/cache/apt-build/build/) ? |
| 08:43.30 | jm_ | IDC: and make sure there's a symlink in /etc/rcS.d for hdparm |
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| 08:43.36 | hrw|work | hi |
| 08:43.41 | bob2 | Rayen: a) don't build it |
| 08:43.43 | anonymouz666 | whats the find syntax to find the biggests files in the harddrive? |
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| 08:44.06 | bob2 | Rayen: b) if you insist on doing so, run dpkg-buildpackage in the source directory, ie xserver-xfree86-4.3.1 or whatever |
| 08:44.31 | vchrizz | how do i check which filesystem /dev/mapper/3com has ? |
| 08:45.57 | chealer | bob2: don't you forget the c) don't build it ? |
| 08:46.21 | bob2 | hah |
| 08:46.28 | Rayen | bob2, where can I find the source directory ? |
| 08:46.32 | bob2 | ... |
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| 08:46.44 | bob2 | 'apt-get source xserver-xfree86', then it's in your current directory |
| 08:46.49 | umbop | anonymouz666: man find |
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| 08:47.53 | IDC | jm_, http://channels.debian.net/paste/91 |
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| 08:48.49 | hexxeh|work | i was under the impression you couldn't just build xserver-xfree86, you needed to build everything related to it at the same time so all version numbers match |
| 08:49.09 | bob2 | well |
| 08:49.15 | bob2 | he/she's not changing the version number |
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| 08:49.20 | jm_ | IDC: wtf? do it under /dev/hda section |
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| 08:49.34 | tracer | What arcatecture is an AMD 64 considered? |
| 08:49.39 | bob2 | amd64 |
| 08:49.44 | IDC | jm_, oh,i see wait |
| 08:49.45 | Subvertir | not x86-64? |
| 08:49.48 | bob2 | it can run as a i386, too, which seems like a waste |
| 08:49.50 | bob2 | Subvertir: depends |
| 08:49.59 | bob2 | Subvertir: the kernel calls it x86_64 or so, dpkg calls it amd64. |
| 08:50.01 | Subvertir | amd64 is the arch string used by gcc for it though |
| 08:50.05 | Subvertir | right? |
| 08:50.05 | karsten | bob2: ...or even both at the same time. |
| 08:50.13 | tracer | I need to get an install image, i guess i will have to go with x86-32 so i can install |
| 08:50.17 | tracer | Then swithc |
| 08:50.20 | tracer | switch* |
| 08:50.25 | tracer | Is this right? |
| 08:50.25 | bob2 | Subvertir: I don't think so |
| 08:50.29 | bob2 | tracer: no |
| 08:50.34 | hexxeh|work | amd athlon64 series chips are the fastest i386 chips available |
| 08:50.39 | bob2 | tracer: if you want the native amd64 port, you need to install the native amd64 port |
| 08:50.44 | IDC | jm_, huh ? you meant ...wrong place ? |
| 08:50.45 | tracer | Then what? http://www.debian.org/devel/debian-installer/ |
| 08:50.53 | tracer | what one should i download, i want the net install |
| 08:50.54 | hexxeh|work | tracer, you cannot change arch on an installed system. install i386 or amd64. |
| 08:51.06 | hexxeh|work | !amd64 tracer |
| 08:51.08 | hexxeh|work | hmph |
| 08:51.10 | tracer | i odnt see amd64 |
| 08:51.11 | hexxeh|work | !amd64 |
| 08:51.11 | dpkg | hmm... amd64 is See http://www.debian.org/ports/amd64/ and the #debian-amd64 IRC channel, or https://alioth.debian.org/docman/view.php/30192/21/debian-amd64-howto.html See http://debian-amd64.alioth.debian.org/install-images/ for ISOs. unofficial at the moment, will be a supported arch on Etch (Sarge + 1), or a generic name. it also supports xeon etc, see http://wiki.debian.net/?DebianAMD64Faq |
| 08:51.18 | tracer | oh |
| 08:51.21 | bob2 | tracer: do you want i386 or amd64? |
| 08:51.26 | tracer | amd64 |
| 08:51.32 | Subvertir | I got the chance to play around with a sun opteron box |
| 08:51.36 | jm_ | IDC: no, do it at the end where there's a section for /dev/hda |
| 08:51.40 | Subvertir | I liked what I saw =) |
| 08:51.56 | IDC | jm_, i see :) let me do it |
| 08:52.12 | jm_ | yeah we received two Sun rack moutnable machines with Opteron by mistake too, looked pretty nice |
| 08:52.17 | hexxeh|work | Subvertir, just don't let sun install solaris on it |
| 08:52.26 | jm_ | but I guess I will have AMD64 by myself this autumn anyway |
| 08:52.55 | Subvertir | i can stand solaris with gnu utils |
| 08:53.08 | hexxeh|work | it's bearable, but still awful & irrational |
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| 08:53.27 | tracer | bob2: is the amd64 version released yet? I cant find a download link, and Alioth is down |
| 08:53.35 | hexxeh|work | defaults of sh and ed are not rational. no firewall is not rational. setting a root password beig optional is not rational |
| 08:53.46 | bob2 | tracer: it's not an official debian arch unfortunately, but there are mirrors of the netinst isos |
| 08:53.56 | hexxeh|work | amd64 debian is unofficial. it's also moving from alioth to amd64.debian.net |
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| 08:54.11 | jm_ | !netinst mirror |
| 08:54.11 | dpkg | well, netinst mirror is http://crito.ucr.edu/debian/netinst/ |
| 08:54.14 | IDC | jm_, here -> #/dev/hda { ? but its strange |
| 08:54.20 | bob2 | tracer: http://bach.hpc2n.umu.se/debian-installer/ |
| 08:54.26 | jm_ | IDC: it's not strange, you have to uncomment it |
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| 08:54.28 | bob2 | tracer: http://alioth.debian.org/docman/view.php/30192/21/debian-amd64-howto.html#id220431 |
| 08:54.37 | IDC | jm_, because there by default for example # mult_sect_io = 16 |
| 08:54.39 | hexxeh|work | tracer, READ THE HOWTO. can't stress that enough. |
| 08:54.43 | jm_ | that won't help with alioth being down ;) |
| 08:54.51 | jm_ | IDC: that's just an example ... |
| 08:54.59 | IDC | jm_, but by default the 16bit I/O transfer is enabled |
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| 08:55.13 | jm_ | IDC: that's not the same thing |
| 08:55.20 | IDC | jm_, ok,wait |
| 08:55.39 | tracer | thanks guys, im in a hurry because my friend is wanting to download it and its 4 in the morning and i have skool |
| 08:55.52 | IDC | uncomment dma = on now there |
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| 08:55.59 | IDC | there isn't a thing for enabling 32bit I/O though |
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| 08:56.20 | jm_ | you also have to uncomment the entire block, starting with /dev/hda and ending with } |
| 08:56.31 | jm_ | well you can add it |
| 08:56.35 | IDC | I was reading online says enable 32 bit I/O is very good for most of modern HDD |
| 08:56.57 | IDC | i see,let me do it |
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| 08:58.20 | jm_ | like I said, all these things should be enabled by default on modern computers, not sure why it isn't in your case |
| 08:58.25 | IDC | now there is looked like " /dev/hda { mult_sect_io = 32 dma = on }" |
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| 08:58.42 | fabietto | Hi at all. I connected a monitor to the vga out of my notebook. Now i can see the same desktop on the two monitors... is it possible to assign a different desktop to each monitor? |
| 08:58.56 | Akselii | hehehe |
| 08:59.03 | Akselii | emerge sync :P |
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| 08:59.19 | bob2 | fabietto: depends on your hardware |
| 08:59.45 | fabietto | bob2: it isn't simply a software problem? |
| 08:59.51 | bob2 | well |
| 08:59.59 | bob2 | in the sense that the software might not support your hardware |
| 09:00.06 | bob2 | but not all hardware can run as two seperate displays |
| 09:00.07 | fabietto | bob2: ah ok... :-) |
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| 09:00.29 | hexxeh|work | i seem to recall some apple ibooks won't allow it without firmware hackery |
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| 09:00.47 | fabietto | bob2: i'm using an VGA compatible controller: ATI Technologies Inc Radeon Mobility U1 (as lspci said) |
| 09:00.48 | IDC | jm_, thanks,let me reboot |
| 09:01.03 | bob2 | I don't know if xfree86 lets you do seperate displays on that, sorry |
| 09:01.06 | bob2 | I'm pretty sure x.org does |
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| 09:02.54 | tracer | Is there an IDE for C++ or other mainstream programing languages for linux? |
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| 09:03.04 | bob2 | some people use kdevelop |
| 09:03.07 | IDC | jm_, Hey :D it worked haha,magic ! |
| 09:03.13 | bob2 | but most hard core programmers I know of use vim or emacs |
| 09:03.14 | IDC | jm_, Thanks :) |
| 09:03.18 | jm_ | IDC: no worries |
| 09:03.35 | tracer | bob2: but if you wanted to do gui stuff, would that not be rather hard? |
| 09:03.38 | IDC | jm_, so i will write it down for further usage . |
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| 09:03.43 | bob2 | tracer: why? |
| 09:03.50 | bob2 | tracer: you use a gui designer to, er, design your gui |
| 09:04.00 | bob2 | and a high quality text editor to cut code |
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| 09:04.08 | tracer | ... i see your point |
| 09:04.18 | tracer | sill switching from the windows mindset |
| 09:04.23 | bob2 | I think kdevelop and monodevelop combine them both |
| 09:04.41 | bob2 | don't know if monodevelop does non-mono languages |
| 09:05.02 | IDC | pOLice, please do not message me about the porno site |
| 09:05.08 | bob2 | come on |
| 09:05.11 | bob2 | it's obviously a bot |
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| 09:05.20 | IDC | ok |
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| 09:06.45 | Akselii | portage portage!! |
| 09:06.46 | karsten | How much space is sensible for an apt-proxy cache? |
| 09:07.03 | patad | how do i extract a tar gz? |
| 09:07.11 | Akselii | i shall have the both!!! apt-get and emerge!! mwhahahahah!!! the ultimate p0w4h |
| 09:07.11 | asg | !tar |
| 09:07.11 | dpkg | Extract tar: "tar xf foo.tar"; Extract tar.gz: "tar xzf foo.tar.gz"; Extract tar.bz2: "tar xjf foo.tar.bz2"; bar extraction command hard to remember? use apt-get install unp; unp foo.bar; Create tar.gz: "tar czf foo.tar.gz directory"; Create tar.bz2: "tar cjf foo.tar.bz2 directory" |
| 09:07.23 | Akselii | patad, tar -xjvf tar |
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| 09:07.29 | patad | Akselii, thanks |
| 09:07.31 | patad | i forgotten |
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| 09:07.57 | patad | it says this is not a bzip2 file |
| 09:08.04 | asg | patad: xzf |
| 09:08.09 | asg | patad: as the factoid said |
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| 09:08.38 | _joey | emerge is the suck |
| 09:08.57 | bob2 | emerge is the off-topic |
| 09:09.04 | patad | asg how do i type it |
| 09:09.21 | asg | patad: /msg dpkg tar (many examples are listed) |
| 09:09.39 | asg | _joey: but emergency, the '70s tv show with Randolf Mantooth, is teh bomb. |
| 09:11.20 | karsten | asg: pated is clueless. |
| 09:11.24 | Guerin | randolf mantooth |
| 09:11.28 | Guerin | what a name |
| 09:11.32 | karsten | asg: he's been asking that for the past hour |
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| 09:11.49 | asg | Guerin: yeah |
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| 09:16.19 | patad | asg, tar xjf doesnt work |
| 09:16.35 | asg | patad: then your file isn't a tar.gz |
| 09:16.50 | asg | patad: what does 'file <file>' say it is? |
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| 09:17.17 | jesse-jads | has anyone here worked on making there own distro, if so do you know of any good website that talk about the basic files for a distro? |
| 09:17.26 | patad | bzip2: stdin is not bzip2 file |
| 09:17.33 | patad | child returned status 2 |
| 09:17.37 | juanmals | jesse-jads look in google for knoppix remastering |
| 09:17.44 | patad | error exit delayed from precious errors |
| 09:17.46 | nagual | jesse-jads: lfs |
| 09:17.48 | jesse-jads | cool thanks |
| 09:18.00 | asg | patad: wtf are you doing? tar xzf <foo> |
| 09:18.01 | juanmals | or check the forums of knoppix.net |
| 09:18.01 | jmd | Anyone know how to insert literal [ in autoconf strings? |
| 09:18.13 | asg | patad: z for gzip, j for bzip. |
| 09:18.57 | patad | im trying to extract bBlog-0..7.4.tar.gz |
| 09:18.58 | asg | jmd: #c |
| 09:19.11 | _joey | tar xvfz file.tgz |
| 09:19.12 | asg | patad: tar xzf bBlog-0.7.4.tar.gz |
| 09:19.18 | asg | _joey: fail |
| 09:19.23 | _joey | why? |
| 09:19.34 | asg | _joey: because f takes an argument and 'z' isn't it |
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| 09:19.48 | asg | !kill work |
| 09:19.49 | _joey | you run it first |
| 09:20.55 | jmd | asg: Wierd! |
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| 09:21.03 | asg | _joey: then that has to be a bug |
| 09:21.16 | _joey | yeah, in your head |
| 09:21.50 | Guerin | _joey: suck it and see |
| 09:21.55 | jmd | asg: #c seems to be a comment |
| 09:21.56 | Guerin | i bet you anything it doesn't work |
| 09:22.02 | asg | jmd: the channel |
| 09:22.12 | asg | Guerin: it worked on this sid box |
| 09:22.15 | _joey | you can either tar cvfz or tar xvfz or s/z/j |
| 09:22.28 | Guerin | asg: xvfz? |
| 09:22.33 | asg | Guerin: yeah |
| 09:22.39 | Guerin | they musta changed it then |
| 09:22.43 | asg | Guerin: some gnuishness |
| 09:22.49 | jmd | asg: That's a C programming channel. |
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| 09:22.52 | Guerin | because f should be the filename, as an arg |
| 09:23.06 | asg | jmd: and autoconf is usually related to C programming |
| 09:23.24 | jmd | worth a try I suppose... |
| 09:23.31 | _joey | Guerin are you homo? |
| 09:23.45 | Guerin | _joey: yes. Homo Sapiens Sapiens. |
| 09:23.50 | Guerin | unlike yourself, evidently |
| 09:23.51 | asg | Guerin: that is completely fucked. |
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| 09:24.41 | Guerin | asg: what is? |
| 09:24.42 | asg | Guerin: so 'tar xfz foo' works but 'tar -xfz foo' doesn't |
| 09:24.55 | _joey | Guerin is the suck |
| 09:24.55 | Guerin | asg: freakshow |
| 09:25.15 | _joey | and an abuser , i've seen your idiotic comments several times here |
| 09:25.18 | Guerin | _joey: do you think you could be a bit more creative? |
| 09:25.21 | _joey | :) |
| 09:25.28 | _joey | yeah yeah |
| 09:25.30 | simonrvn | _joey: do us a favour? STFU? thanks |
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| 09:25.45 | bob2 | !+printk |
| 09:25.45 | dpkg | hmm... printk console is see docs for sysctl and set kernel.printk to 3 4 1 7 or so. If you want to know what those numbers mean, see the file Documentation/filesystems/proc.txt in your kernel sources. |
| 09:25.49 | _joey | uhhh, regular trash sticking for each opther |
| 09:25.57 | _joey | :) |
| 09:26.22 | _joey | #debian one of few channels on irc who've got people abusing others regularly |
| 09:26.28 | _joey | on freenode |
| 09:26.32 | _joey | it happens from the regbulars |
| 09:26.35 | bob2 | please stop it |
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| 09:26.44 | bob2 | you being a dick only increases the amount of dick-ness in here |
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| 09:29.38 | JohnnyST | Dose someone know if there are some .deb's somewhere for this game? http://www.cubeengine.com/ |
| 09:30.12 | Akselii | cube engine? |
| 09:30.21 | JohnnyST | yes |
| 09:31.52 | ninereeds | is there a way to rebuild my mbr? from what i could gather, it is broken, namely grub can not detect /dev/hda6 as ext3 (whereas mount can) and thus errors out when i try to install it. i just tried the netinst cd and even that did _not_ yield any results (the d-i does not give any error report, but i am pretty certain it's that non-detection issue). any help would be greatly appreciated. i am at my wit's end |
| 09:31.57 | simonrvn | you could always make one |
| 09:32.25 | bob2 | the mbr is not on a partition |
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| 09:32.30 | bob2 | it's at the front of the disk itself |
| 09:32.49 | simonrvn | i meant .deb, if that was unclear =) |
| 09:32.49 | ninereeds | bob2, i know that, of course. but it's where the partition table resides |
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| 09:33.08 | ninereeds | to be more exact, is there a way to rebuild my partition table? |
| 09:33.17 | bob2 | you're pretty fucked if that's broken |
| 09:33.18 | llama32 | are there any useful image editors other than the gimp? |
| 09:33.24 | ninereeds | i already tried starting cfdisk and just writing again |
| 09:33.46 | ninereeds | bob2, it's not broken. the knoppix i use detects everything finely |
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| 09:34.02 | bob2 | ninereeds: then there's no reason to rebuild it |
| 09:34.21 | simonrvn | g'night all |
| 09:34.33 | asg | simonrvn: I just woke up :) |
| 09:34.42 | simonrvn | blah ;p |
| 09:35.41 | ninereeds | bob2, well, when i do root hd(0,5) it says i can't detect the file system type |
| 09:35.56 | liable | ninereeds: tried it from the knoopix cd? |
| 09:36.21 | liable | ninereeds: re-installing grub, I mean |
| 09:36.28 | ninereeds | liable, that's where i tried it from, yes. with all my might, i can't get anything from grub at boot time but error 17 |
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| 09:36.37 | ninereeds | liable, a few dozen times, yes |
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| 09:38.28 | ninereeds | doesn't linux fdsik keep a backup like windows dos does which you can access via fdisk /mbr |
| 09:38.41 | bob2 | dude |
| 09:38.45 | bob2 | that's not your problem |
| 09:39.00 | liable | ninereeds: can grub load your other os? |
| 09:39.10 | ninereeds | bob2, well, if you can tell me what's my problem is (and how to fix it), i would be deeply grateful |
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| 09:39.18 | pollar | hi, where i can define that eterm supports mouse? |
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| 09:39.35 | ninereeds | liable, it does not get past error 17. |
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| 09:40.02 | bob2 | ninereeds: I have no idea, but it's not related to your mbr |
| 09:40.10 | bob2 | ninereeds: grub-install reinstalls your mbr with grub |
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| 09:40.24 | liable | ninereeds: so it boots and goes straight to error? |
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| 09:40.45 | rindolf | I have a problem, I have a makefile that needs to generate some files that contain the string "::" (with a double colon). How do I escape these filenames? |
| 09:41.01 | ninereeds | liable, yes |
| 09:41.09 | ivallad1 | op |
| 09:41.13 | ninereeds | bob2, let me get you what grub-install complains about |
| 09:41.14 | bob2 | ? |
| 09:42.04 | liable | ninereeds: when did it start? what did ya do |
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| 09:42.29 | groulder | so how long until 3.1? |
| 09:42.41 | groulder | if sarge is frozen that must mean there's only another year to go. |
| 09:42.41 | bob2 | ah |
| 09:42.46 | bob2 | our old friend groulder |
| 09:42.49 | liable | groulder: /topic |
| 09:42.51 | bob2 | and his lame, pathetic trolls |
| 09:43.00 | jethro | moin |
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| 09:43.39 | groulder | bob2, how you doin mate? |
| 09:43.52 | ninereeds | liable, when i boot from disk, i get error 17, which means it can't detect the file system. i always get that, no matter what i try |
| 09:44.35 | liable | ninereeds: straight from after install? |
| 09:46.16 | liable | ninereeds: hmm, so this has happened since install, since an upgrade, since? |
| 09:46.34 | ninereeds | grub> root hd(0,5) \r Error 11: Unrecognized device string |
| 09:46.58 | ninereeds | Knoppix:/# grub-install /dev/hda \r The file /boot/grub/stage1 not read correctly. |
| 09:47.03 | jm_ | ninereeds: that's because it IS wrong |
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| 09:47.31 | ninereeds | those are the two errors i get when i try to install anything. as itcan't install, it can not get past error 17, of course |
| 09:47.46 | dima2001 | hello, can someone please help me to install a canon-656u on debian sarge, please? |
| 09:47.53 | dima2001 | it's a scanner |
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| 09:48.05 | ninereeds | liable, i had to reinstall windows. after that, i could not just get back to my old grub |
| 09:48.21 | ninereeds | jm_, well, if you have any clues it would be appreciated |
| 09:48.29 | liable | ninereeds: whats the /r? you type that? Can you boot windows? |
| 09:48.50 | dima2001 | usbview detects reports it as CanoScan, but xsane doesn't detect it ... |
| 09:49.01 | ninereeds | liable, \r just means what comes after is on a new line |
| 09:49.11 | liable | oooh |
| 09:49.21 | jm_ | ninereeds: the syntax is (hd0,5) |
| 09:50.04 | dima2001 | anyone? |
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| 09:52.20 | ninereeds | jm_, if that's what has kept me awake to 5 in the morning, i am gonna be annoyed ;) |
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| 09:52.52 | ninereeds | jm_, Filesystem type unknown, partition type 0x83 |
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| 09:53.02 | ninereeds | it's a 83 with ext3 on it |
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| 09:53.28 | ivallad1 | anybody can recommend a good GPL blogging software? is wordpress good enough? comments welcome! |
| 09:53.52 | groulder | what's wrong with blogger? |
| 09:53.58 | gba | if 'dpkg -l' gives me 'rc pkg-name' then this does mean, that there are some config files around yet, right? how can I get rid totally from pkg so that 'dkpg -l' will tell me 'un pkg-name'. I already tried 'apt-get --purge remove' after 'apt-get remove' but it tells me pkg is not installed so it will do nothing. |
| 09:54.02 | qwertz_ | Tryingto install dhcp3-server, ip, gateway and broadcast distributing works. Problem is dns, I get the nameserver ip's from my isp on connect so I can't supply it in the dhcp conf - any way to solve the problem? |
| 09:54.12 | petemc | ivallad1: http://www.kuro5hin.org/story/2004/2/2/171117/8823 |
| 09:54.24 | ivallad1 | groulder: nothing's wrong with blogger, that's not the point, a hackable sw is funnier!! |
| 09:54.34 | jm_ | ninereeds: are you sure it's the same? |
| 09:54.43 | ivallad1 | petemc: thx |
| 09:54.49 | petemc | ivallad1: np :) |
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| 09:56.35 | ninereeds | jm_, hda6, yes, positive |
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| 09:57.35 | ninereeds | which brings me back to my original question how i can rebuild the partition table or do whatever it takes to make grub recognize the trice-damned partition |
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| 09:58.42 | ^2_ | hi |
| 09:58.51 | jm_ | ninereeds: it looks like GRUB can read partition table just fine, but maybe file system is corrupted or somesuch |
| 09:58.59 | ninereeds | bob2, are you still sure that's not my problem? |
| 09:59.08 | ^2_ | I can't access my CD-ROM from wine, although it seems to be configured properly. |
| 09:59.10 | gba | how can I totally deinstall a package? |
| 09:59.16 | ninereeds | jm_, i fsck'ed it without it doing anything |
| 09:59.26 | ninereeds | gba, apt-get remove --purge foo |
| 09:59.57 | gba | ninereeds: should I do that before `apt-get remove foo`? |
| 10:00.09 | ^2_ | Is there anybody who is familiar with wine' |
| 10:00.10 | ^2_ | ? |
| 10:00.11 | ninereeds | gba, no. instead of |
| 10:00.28 | ninereeds | jm_, are there any options i should fsck feed with? |
| 10:00.32 | gba | because I did that and now dpkg -l gives me the status of rc |
| 10:01.28 | gba | how can I get the status of 'un' ? |
| 10:01.42 | jm_ | ninereeds: no, it's probably OK if fsck and kernel can mount it - maybe there's a geometry mismatch |
| 10:01.59 | liable | ^2_: #winehq |
| 10:01.59 | jm_ | gba: you didn't or it wouldn't be "rc" |
| 10:02.05 | jm_ | gba: anyway, read the FAQ |
| 10:02.54 | ninereeds | gba, you can install it again to then uninstall with --purge |
| 10:03.04 | paulswm | gba: If you have aptitude, 'aptitude purge foo' should clean it up without a reinstall |
| 10:03.08 | ninereeds | jm_, how would i find out and/or fix that? |
| 10:03.27 | gba | jm_ , ninereeds: okay, thanks, i am going to search the passage in the faq |
| 10:03.52 | gba | paulswm: cool tip , thanks |
| 10:04.00 | jm_ | ninereeds: geometry reports it, then there's debug command that prints some additional info - this is not easy to work on - did you try specifying any other partition? |
| 10:04.29 | hexxeh|work | !moo |
| 10:04.29 | dpkg | mooooooo! I am cow, hear me moo, I weigh twice as much as you. I'm a cow, eating grass, methane gas comes out my ass. I'm a cow, you are too; join us all! Type apt-get moo. http://bugs.debian.org/175939 |
| 10:04.48 | jm_ | ninereeds: wait, I also noticed the error with stage1 file - why don't you reinstall it by copying fresh files over? |
| 10:06.09 | jm_ | ninereeds: ahh just checked the script and it does that each time you run it, why does it report something about your stage1 file then? |
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| 10:07.06 | ninereeds | jm_, i did mv the old /boo/grub and then ran update-grub which recreated the acording files. i suspect wrong error message |
| 10:07.23 | jm_ | ninereeds: did you also run mkdir /boot/grub after that? |
| 10:07.27 | ninereeds | jm_, i did not understand the second question |
| 10:07.42 | ivallad1 | petemc: nice article, however I was looking for software recommendations, I hate MT enough!! :D |
| 10:07.47 | ninereeds | jm_, no, it created /boot/grub by itself |
| 10:07.53 | jm_ | ninereeds: <ninereeds> Knoppix:/# grub-install /dev/hda \r The file /boot/grub/stage1 not read correctly. |
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| 10:08.24 | jm_ | ninereeds: run it with --recheck |
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| 10:09.03 | ninereeds | jm_, same outcome :( |
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| 10:09.54 | jm_ | ninereeds: then run it with /sbin/grub-install --recheck --debug |
| 10:10.00 | jm_ | and /dev/hda obviously |
| 10:10.16 | Xsquared | hi, does anyone know how the freshclam works? will it update continuously now that it is installed? |
| 10:10.16 | ninereeds | jm_, wanna join #flood? |
| 10:10.37 | ninereeds | wait, with that amount, i am gonna paste to the bot |
| 10:11.39 | ivallad1 | serendipity or pyblosxom? talk now or shut up forever!! |
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| 10:12.29 | ninereeds | http://channels.debian.net/paste/92 |
| 10:12.33 | ninereeds | jm_, ^ |
| 10:13.12 | atbash | when gaim gives me a new mail notification it always opens epiphany, however, my preferred browser is mozilla and also x-www-browser in alternatives points to mozilla, when sending me an url via an IM-chat, gaims opens it correctly in mozilla. I can hardly believe epiphany is hardcoded in Gaim, so does anybody have a clue which other systemvariable (?) Gaim can use? (sorry, this is slightly off-topic, i know) |
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| 10:13.43 | coywolf | can we let init respawn sshd? |
| 10:13.48 | hexxeh|work | atbash, gaim config screen |
| 10:14.16 | ivallad1 | atbash: gnome? |
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| 10:14.29 | atbash | ivallad1: yes, gnome |
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| 10:14.59 | ivallad1 | atbash: use gnome preferred applications preference |
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| 10:15.16 | hexxeh|work | atbash, tools->preferences->browser, in gaim buddy list. you'll also want to change the gnome preferred browser (gnome-control-center -> advanced->preferred applicatrions->web browser) |
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| 10:16.35 | atbash | hexxeh|work: the preferences dialog gives no choice for broser-selection. (version v1.2.1) |
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| 10:17.02 | atbash | ivallad1 & hexxeh|work: preferred applications is set to mozilla. |
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| 10:18.14 | atbash | only when a new mail notification pops up and i click "open mail" in that dialog, it starts epiphany, otherwise (in any other app) mozilla is used |
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| 10:20.40 | ivallad1 | atbash: maybe that's a bug, try running a later version |
| 10:20.45 | hexxeh|work | atbash, evidently you're not running debian then, my debian gaim packages have always had a broswer setting. under network, above logging |
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| 10:21.15 | debboy | atbash, i've seen the same problem (i since gave up) |
| 10:21.23 | debboy | when i got it to work with mozilla, something would crash. |
| 10:21.56 | adiwar | hello |
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| 10:22.42 | atbash | hexxeh|work: i'm running the amd64 port of debian |
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| 10:23.02 | atbash | ivallad1: according to gaim.sf.net, it is the latest version |
| 10:24.23 | valdyn | i think that option does not show when gnome is running |
| 10:24.23 | atbash | hexxeh|work: can you give me your result of "cat ~/.gaim/prefs.xml | grep browser"? |
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| 10:26.42 | valdyn | ok, I tried, it really seems to depend on gnome running or not, so consequently changing the browser in gnome should be responsible |
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| 10:27.11 | atbash | valdyn: what do you mean exactly? |
| 10:27.40 | valdyn | atbash: the browser setting in gaim is not available when gnome is running |
| 10:27.55 | jm_ | ninereeds: do you have logs in /tmp? |
| 10:28.45 | atbash | valdyn: do you mean i should change it using another WM? |
| 10:28.57 | valdyn | atbash: so i assume gnome's Preferred Application settings should be responsible |
| 10:29.09 | valdyn | atbash: no |
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| 10:30.03 | atbash | valdyn: preferred applications setting are set to mozilla for the browser :-s |
| 10:30.13 | atbash | valdyn: do you think it's a gaim bug? |
| 10:30.30 | valdyn | atbash: no |
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| 10:31.33 | atbash | valdyn: do you think it's a gnome bug? or do you think it's my fault :-) |
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| 10:31.45 | valdyn | atbash: no idea |
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| 10:33.02 | atbash | well, i guess i'll have to live with it :-s |
| 10:33.23 | Putiikki | how to change my current hostname (debian) to that one which i get with dhcp? |
| 10:33.46 | atbash | debboy: you had it working once? |
| 10:33.47 | bob2 | you can't, reailly |
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| 10:34.21 | Putiikki | but in suse i had so |
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| 10:36.22 | Nicolo | i have a trust nw-3100 usb wireless adapter, but when i plug it in, no module gets loaded.. and no wlan0 interface is created. do i have to download the drivers somewhere? i have already all the wireless modules in 2.6.10 compiled |
| 10:37.25 | valdyn | atbash: i tried if gnomes Preferred Applicatoins affect my URL handler in gaim, and they do. |
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| 10:38.02 | dob1 | hi, how can i install eclipse ? |
| 10:38.04 | atbash | valdyn: yes indeed, URL handler yes, but not the New Mail Notification (hotmail) |
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| 10:38.33 | dob1 | it requires j2re1.4, i installed it but not as debian package |
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| 10:39.33 | valdyn | atbash: thats probably using mime, so /etc/mailcap would be responsible ( man mailcap ), not sure what you are exactly talking about though. |
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| 10:40.31 | etdgjqw | it looks like my fresh installed debian has no files |
| 10:40.43 | DanV | etdgjqw: in the /root directory ? |
| 10:40.43 | jethro | no files? |
| 10:40.56 | etdgjqw | in the / |
| 10:41.18 | etdgjqw | got it. I was in the root. silly me |
| 10:41.38 | etdgjqw | now I've got problems with xfree |
| 10:41.47 | atbash | valdyn: when a new mail arrives for my hotmail-account, i get a gaim-popup notifying me of this new mail and offering me the possibility to open that mail, when i click "Open mail", it opens a browser window (which is epiphany) and surfs to hotmail... |
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| 10:42.24 | valdyn | atbash: just try fixing your mailcap |
| 10:42.30 | jethro | etdgjqw: what kind of problems? |
| 10:42.37 | Taraxacum | hello |
| 10:42.50 | etdgjqw | it won't start though I installed it |
| 10:42.58 | etdgjqw | and fluxbox is installed too |
| 10:43.03 | valdyn | atbash: easiest to do by putting all lines from /etc/mailcap that contain firefox into ~/.mailcap |
| 10:43.04 | etdgjqw | startx gives me command not found |
| 10:43.14 | jethro | etdgjqw: apt-get install xbase-clients |
| 10:43.22 | etdgjqw | xbase? huh? |
| 10:43.31 | atbash | valdyn: ok i'll look into it, thx |
| 10:43.40 | Taraxacum | write what he said as root and you'll be allright :) |
| 10:43.54 | jethro | etdgjqw: just apt-get install xbase-clients and you'll get startx |
| 10:43.56 | etdgjqw | that's all I should do? |
| 10:44.10 | Nicolo | how can i load the module for my trust nw-3100 usb wireless adapter? |
| 10:44.40 | jethro | etdgjqw: if you didn't screw up x configuration, it should be enough |
| 10:44.50 | etdgjqw | it did start but it crashed |
| 10:44.55 | jethro | :) |
| 10:44.57 | etdgjqw | I had this problem last time |
| 10:45.25 | etdgjqw | don't remember the solution. so what should I tell about the crash so you'll know the solution? |
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| 10:45.49 | jethro | look at error messages in /var/log/XFree86.0.log |
| 10:46.01 | Taraxacum | is it possible to install gentoo along with debian? and then just use a bootmanager to switch between? |
| 10:46.08 | jethro | etdgjqw: typically the (EE) lines |
| 10:46.11 | DanV | Taraxacum: yes. |
| 10:46.22 | etdgjqw | there's a problem with the mouse |
| 10:46.23 | Taraxacum | great! :) |
| 10:46.46 | jethro | etdgjqw: don't tell me there's a problem, tell me what the error message is |
| 10:46.51 | etdgjqw | ok |
| 10:47.26 | bob2 | so |
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| 10:47.36 | etdgjqw | xf86openserial: cannot open device /dev/input/mice. no such device |
| 10:47.37 | bob2 | can I plug an ata-100 disk into a ata-33 controller? |
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| 10:47.57 | jethro | etdgjqw: type lsmod as root, and tell me if mousedev is there |
| 10:47.59 | DanV | bob2: you can, but it will run as a 33. |
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| 10:48.02 | Taraxacum | is there more to it and something i should know about before i start DanV ? |
| 10:48.07 | bob2 | DanV: that's fine |
| 10:48.09 | bob2 | DanV: thanks! |
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| 10:48.35 | etdgjqw | not there |
| 10:48.40 | jethro | etdgjqw: then modprobe mousedev |
| 10:48.49 | DanV | Taraxacum: don't install it by mistake on the same partition, use the same swap, and make sure you wash your hands after you go to the toilet :) |
| 10:49.13 | etdgjqw | can't locate module mousedev |
| 10:49.18 | Dabian | jethro: You're not named after the band jethro tull? |
| 10:49.22 | jethro | Dabian: no |
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| 10:49.33 | jethro | Dabian: after a video game character |
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| 10:49.51 | Taraxacum | looks like it can be tough |
| 10:49.52 | raf256 | hi, what should I use to cache results of DNS queries to speed up some internet actions: |
| 10:49.53 | raf256 | ? |
| 10:49.56 | Dabian | jethro: OK .. never heard of him. [before] |
| 10:50.08 | jethro | Dabian: it's from an old game called micro machines 2 |
| 10:50.19 | jethro | Dabian: there was a rasta which I used to play with |
| 10:50.32 | jethro | etdgjqw: do you have a custom kernel or a debian kernel image? |
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| 10:50.55 | etdgjqw | only the debian net install cd |
| 10:51.00 | hexxeh|work | "the"? |
| 10:51.05 | jethro | :) |
| 10:51.09 | Anders1 | :) |
| 10:51.35 | etdgjqw | I'll tell you something about my mouse. it's M$ explorer optical connected to kvm then to the linux machine in ps/2 |
| 10:51.49 | jethro | etdgjqw: I don't think that's being the problem |
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| 10:52.09 | jethro | etdgjqw: either remove the reference to /dev/input/mice in x configuration file, or have mousedev loaded |
| 10:52.16 | jethro | etdgjqw: what kernel are you running at the moment? |
| 10:52.42 | etdgjqw | it's something with the configuration. I had it and someone from IRC helped me up reconfigure it |
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| 10:52.48 | DanV | etdgjqw: uname -a to tell the kernel. |
| 10:52.52 | etdgjqw | how do I check kernel? |
| 10:52.59 | jethro | etdgjqw: what Dabian said |
| 10:53.05 | jethro | s/Dabian/Danv/ |
| 10:53.07 | etdgjqw | 2.2.20 |
| 10:53.12 | hexxeh|work | erk |
| 10:53.12 | jethro | silly tab completion |
| 10:53.15 | jethro | eeeek |
| 10:53.16 | atbash | valdyn: i added the result of "cat /etc/mailcap | grep mozilla" to ~/.mailcap, but it still opens epiphany |
| 10:53.16 | DanV | debian stable. :) |
| 10:53.17 | jethro | !d-i etdgjqw |
| 10:53.18 | dpkg | etdgjqw, you want to go to http://www.debian.org/devel/debian-installer/ - for your own good, and everyone else's. |
| 10:53.41 | jethro | etdgjqw: if you just installed, have a decent bandwith, and an extra blank cd, get d-i and install sarge |
| 10:54.04 | Taraxacum | what dev thingie represents a cdrom? |
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| 10:54.34 | etdgjqw | i386? |
| 10:54.34 | jethro | Taraxacum: /dev/cdrom being a symlink to /dev/hdx if it's an ide cdrom |
| 10:54.44 | jethro | etdgjqw: i386 what? |
| 10:54.59 | etdgjqw | version? |
| 10:55.03 | jethro | Taraxacum: hdx being hda, hdb, hdc, depending on your setup |
| 10:55.09 | hexxeh|work | etdgjqw, if you have to ask, then yes |
| 10:55.10 | Taraxacum | it's a hdx?! hmm.... |
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| 10:55.20 | etdgjqw | just wanted to be 200% sure |
| 10:55.23 | jethro | heh |
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| 10:55.35 | DanV | Taraxacum: dmesg |grep hd|grep cd-rom -i |
| 10:55.42 | etdgjqw | so a newer kernel will solve it? or it's not guarnateed? |
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| 10:55.57 | hexxeh|work | etdgjqw, not running woody will fix everything |
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| 10:56.01 | DanV | etdgjqw: that is not a new kernel. it's a fresh debian install. |
| 10:56.02 | jethro | etdgjqw: running a newer version of debian will probably help you get support |
| 10:56.14 | jethro | etdgjqw: since most of the userbase has sarge for desktop |
| 10:56.27 | etdgjqw | what's woody? |
| 10:56.35 | etdgjqw | saw it everywhere in this system |
| 10:56.42 | jethro | etdgjqw: the stable debian, which is kind of outdated for a desktop |
| 10:56.56 | etdgjqw | I got a s3 8 mb video card |
| 10:57.01 | etdgjqw | which was also a problem |
| 10:57.08 | positrix` | etdgjqw: woody is the cowboy in Toystory |
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| 10:57.28 | etdgjqw | hehe :-) |
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| 10:57.34 | Taraxacum | yay! i picked the right one, thanks ;) |
| 10:57.37 | positrix` | the current stable was named after him |
| 10:57.39 | hexxeh|work | etdgjqw, woody is debian 3.0, released in mid 2002. |
| 10:57.49 | etdgjqw | I want you to take a look at the s3 video card error,ok? |
| 10:57.52 | etdgjqw | so old?!! |
| 10:57.53 | hexxeh|work | etdgjqw, sarge is debian 3.1, released on may 30th 2005 |
| 10:57.57 | shurik | debian is zzee best |
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| 10:58.17 | jethro | hexxeh|work: would you place a bet on that? :) |
| 10:58.19 | positrix` | sarge is also named after a toystory character. so is sid, and potatoe |
| 10:58.20 | etdgjqw | I thought I'm a poweruser,until linux... |
| 10:58.22 | DanV | shurik: may I troll ?:) |
| 10:58.25 | hexxeh|work | !sarge pool 4 |
| 10:58.26 | dpkg | Keep 'em coming! blk=2005-01-23 <alejandro_>=2005-02-15 #perl-magic-8-ball-bot=2005-01-01 Zone=2004-11-29 karsten=2003-12-01 abrotman=2004-10-02 Guerin=2005-03-13 Kerpal=2005-01-01 FieldySnuts=2009-12-31 scarynetworkguy=2005-01-03 directhex=2004-12-25 <cantona>=2004-08-19 <cantona>=2004-8-19 andika=2005-01-31 Cit=2004-05-20 g0llum=2004-07-26 dan2=2004-06-24 bztunk=2004-09-11 obake=2004-04-31 guestish=2004-05-30 <galois>=2004-07-09 |
| 10:58.30 | hexxeh|work | jethro, already did ^^ |
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| 10:58.40 | shurik | DanV: go on, i don't care |
| 10:59.01 | jethro | hexxeh|work: oh, that was an optimistic bet :) |
| 10:59.10 | etdgjqw | lemme give u the videocard error: |
| 10:59.15 | hexxeh|work | jethro, i placed it about a year ago |
| 10:59.18 | jethro | sure |
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| 10:59.47 | hexxeh|work | etdgjqw, why not install sarge instead? things will be much more likely to just work |
| 10:59.50 | VivekVC | I have written a simple "hello world" program, when i type gcc hello.c, where can i view the output of the program. I also get an a.out file. I am using Debian GNU/Linux. |
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| 11:00.15 | hexxeh|work | a.out is the result. run ./a.out |
| 11:00.16 | jethro | etdgjqw: really, as hexxeh|work said, install sarge, and you'll get less problems, and more support |
| 11:00.34 | VivekVC | hexxeh|work: Thanks |
| 11:00.37 | jethro | VivekVC: either use the -o flag for gcc, or mv a.out <somethingelse> |
| 11:00.41 | shurik | ./a.out |
| 11:00.44 | jethro | VivekVC: or just ./a.out |
| 11:01.05 | space_cow_boy | I need to remount /dev/hda1, in read only mode so I can run fsck. when I type umount /dev/hda1; I get an error "devince busy"; How can I unmount it, and or remount it in read only mode? |
| 11:01.06 | positrix` | VivekVC: or gcc -o executablename hello.c |
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| 11:01.11 | foxiness | if i change the resolution of my screen from 800 to 1024 and now i can not access on X i want to restore safe one or change it how i can i do this "am do that vi /etc/X11/xorg.conf but i dont find something clear to change" am use "xfce" |
| 11:01.16 | hexxeh|work | space_cow_boy, make it not busy |
| 11:01.27 | space_cow_boy | hexxeh|work how do I make it not busy? |
| 11:01.32 | deb_it_ | how can i add sources to sources.list ? |
| 11:01.34 | hexxeh|work | !drxx foxiness |
| 11:01.34 | dpkg | foxiness: dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xfree86 (as root) |
| 11:01.43 | hexxeh|work | deb_it_, edit /etc/apt/sources.list |
| 11:01.44 | jethro | space_cow_boy: is hda1 your / ? |
| 11:01.51 | space_cow_boy | jethro yes |
| 11:01.57 | DanV | :) |
| 11:02.01 | etdgjqw | fatal server error: could not open default font 'fixed'. S3VWrMode - cr3a: 1 (set 3a). S3VWrMode - restoring cr3a: 1 (adding 0x80). X connection :0.0 broken (explicit kill or server shutdown) |
| 11:02.05 | etdgjqw | what's that? |
| 11:02.06 | jethro | space_cow_boy: I guess you need to boot in single user mode |
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| 11:02.17 | hexxeh|work | etdgjqw, it's a message meaning "run sarge not woody" |
| 11:02.18 | foxiness | thanks hexxeh|work |
| 11:02.21 | jethro | hexxeh|work: :) |
| 11:02.24 | etdgjqw | got ya :-) |
| 11:02.25 | foxiness | thanks dpkg |
| 11:02.25 | dpkg | foxiness: bitte |
| 11:02.26 | space_cow_boy | jethro how do I reboot in single user mode? |
| 11:02.35 | deb_it_ | hexxeh|work, i mean to have a list of mirrors (i remember there was a command for this) |
| 11:02.39 | Akselii | apt-get and emerge!!! |
| 11:02.39 | etdgjqw | last time I got it to work. that's why... currently downloading sarge |
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| 11:02.55 | jethro | space_cow_boy: I d type "linux single" at the boot prompt |
| 11:03.05 | VivekVC | Thanks jethro and shurik. |
| 11:03.06 | jethro | space_cow_boy: but timtowdi |
| 11:03.08 | DanV | jethro: wouldn't init 1 work ? |
| 11:03.10 | shurik | init -s or smoething |
| 11:03.16 | jethro | DanV: timtowdi |
| 11:03.20 | foxiness | dpkg, i dont know what u mean by "bitte" |
| 11:03.21 | raf256 | help |
| 11:03.29 | DanV | jethro: ? |
| 11:03.36 | space_cow_boy | jethro ok thanks |
| 11:03.39 | raf256 | my internet connection in krusader sucks so much - it is terrible slow |
| 11:03.44 | raf256 | to fish:// |
| 11:03.56 | jethro | DanV: there is more than one way to do it, but I m not sure if you need to reboot or not |
| 11:04.19 | hexxeh|work | deb_it_, apt-setup |
| 11:04.23 | jethro | DanV: I first misread what you said, and read it 'linux 1' which does the same as 'linux single' |
| 11:04.24 | shurik | no, no just run init -s without rebooting |
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| 11:04.38 | deb_it_ | hexxeh|work, i think it is what i was looking for... thank you |
| 11:04.42 | DanV | jethro: I know there is more the none way. I was wondering if init 1 would work, specially cause I disliked the reboot part and was not sure of it. |
| 11:04.44 | coywolf | have a look, http://kernelplanet.org/ |
| 11:04.56 | positrix` | foxiness: dpkg is a bot |
| 11:05.01 | jethro | DanV: then blame me for the misreading, and forget about timtowdi :) |
| 11:05.27 | etdgjqw | which mirror is best for downloading packages? |
| 11:05.35 | jethro | etdgjqw: the one the closer to you |
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| 11:05.38 | DanV | jethro: no, I wont forget it. I didn't know the acronym :> |
| 11:05.40 | etdgjqw | uk was sux |
| 11:05.47 | etdgjqw | israel doesn't work and i'm insrael |
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| 11:05.59 | etdgjqw | *in israel |
| 11:06.03 | jm_ | so israel sux too |
| 11:06.05 | jethro | DanV: it's born with perl afaik |
| 11:06.11 | etdgjqw | yeah.. |
| 11:06.13 | raf256 | what can I use for SFTP connections? something like gFTP but that isnt broken for a month now |
| 11:06.13 | ninereeds | damn, this crappy knoppix xchat has a backlopg of 300 lines.. |
| 11:06.19 | etdgjqw | what should be nice? |
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| 11:06.26 | ninereeds | can anyone please /lastlog ninereeds and /msg me wht comes from it? |
| 11:06.27 | jm_ | lftp supports sftp |
| 11:06.27 | jethro | etdgjqw: try several |
| 11:06.33 | jethro | jm_: really? |
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| 11:06.55 | shurik | etdgjqw: try arab country |
| 11:07.05 | DanV | raf256: filezilla should support SFTP too. |
| 11:07.05 | jm_ | jethro: yup |
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| 11:07.11 | etdgjqw | how's finaland as u know? the arab should be fast? |
| 11:07.19 | raf256 | filezilla is a debian package? |
| 11:07.29 | hexxeh|work | etdgjqw, something physically close. beyond that it shouldn't matter |
| 11:07.37 | bob2 | raf256: you can check on http://packages.debian.org/ |
| 11:07.42 | space_cow_boy | I rebooted with "linux single" so I am in single user mode now. But when I type umount /dev/hda1 I still get device busy |
| 11:07.44 | etdgjqw | thanks |
| 11:07.51 | shurik | raf256 there's .deb for prozilla |
| 11:07.59 | shurik | it rox0r |
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| 11:08.05 | DanV | shurik: that's a totally different thing :) |
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| 11:08.10 | jethro | space_cow_boy: you can't umount / but you can mount it ro |
| 11:08.15 | etdgjqw | how do I install fresh sarge if I already have woody? |
| 11:08.16 | jethro | space_cow_boy: mount -o remount,ro / |
| 11:08.18 | ninereeds | jm_, ok, i found out something new! |
| 11:08.29 | space_cow_boy | jethro ok thanks |
| 11:08.29 | jethro | etdgjqw: you overwrite woody with the sarge netinst cd |
| 11:08.33 | ninereeds | root (hd0,6) does work! |
| 11:08.34 | jethro | s/the/a/ |
| 11:08.45 | etdgjqw | I'll get the option,right? |
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| 11:08.47 | ninereeds | jm_, but the device is, 100% sure, /dev/hda6 |
| 11:08.53 | DanV | shurik: but none the less, prozilla is a great tool. |
| 11:09.12 | jm_ | ninereeds: what is hda7? |
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| 11:09.21 | ninereeds | which means i really do have a fucked up partition table, yay |
| 11:09.22 | ninereeds | sec |
| 11:09.33 | DanV | ninereeds: if it is hda6, then it will be hd0,5 |
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| 11:09.36 | ninereeds | jm_, it's fat32 |
| 11:09.38 | DanV | you don't have hda0, you have hda1. |
| 11:09.42 | naga01 | Hi! How can i stop the Xserver? I want to install the nvidia driver. |
| 11:09.52 | ninereeds | DanV, i know. that's why i said it's fucked up |
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| 11:10.24 | jethro | naga01: install the nvidia stuff while on X, the restart X once you're done with the nvidia stuff |
| 11:10.35 | jethro | s/the re/then re/ |
| 11:10.40 | jm_ | ninereeds: so it definitely has an issue with your ext3 partition, well try creating GRUB floppy and test if that one can mount it |
| 11:10.58 | hexxeh|work | !tell naga01 about nvidia-installer |
| 11:11.04 | hexxeh|work | !tell naga01 about why nvidia-installer sucks |
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| 11:11.10 | hexxeh|work | !tell naga01 about nvidia one-liner |
| 11:11.36 | jethro | we need to have dpkg handle multiple tells in one line |
| 11:11.45 | Exerd_ | <PROTECTED> |
| 11:12.01 | ninereeds | jm_, there is no floppy drive |
| 11:12.07 | jethro | like !tell joe -about foo && bar && foobar |
| 11:12.18 | ninereeds | jm_, nor can i boot from usb |
| 11:12.22 | etdgjqw | what's this !tell thing? |
| 11:12.29 | jethro | but that would prevent from declaring factoids with && |
| 11:12.30 | shurik | dpkg shut up and don't tell anything |
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| 11:12.38 | shurik | :) |
| 11:12.41 | ninereeds | the only way would be to create a boot cd, but from what i have heard, that is lots of hassle |
| 11:12.41 | jethro | :) |
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| 11:12.55 | hexxeh|work | !stab shurik |
| 11:13.10 | jethro | haha origami swiss army knife |
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| 11:13.59 | Exerd_ | !tell exerd about nvidia-installer |
| 11:14.17 | jethro | Exerd_: spell you nickname properly or just /msg the bot |
| 11:14.23 | jethro | !pal Exerd_ |
| 11:14.24 | hexxeh|work | what _ARE_ you doing? there's nobody here called exerd |
| 11:14.42 | Exerd_ | i get private messages |
| 11:14.43 | technos | jethro: The multiple items might be nice, but imagine the trouble you could cause with a "!tell jethro about nvidia,nvidia,nvidia,nvidia,nvidia,nvidia" |
| 11:14.47 | ninereeds | jm_, is there a way to do it from knoppix/the netinst? |
| 11:14.58 | Exerd_ | exerd_ is pointed to Exerd |
| 11:15.08 | jethro | technos: you don't have to implement that in a flawed manner you know :) |
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| 11:15.18 | Gehaktbal | hello |
| 11:15.28 | Gehaktbal | i have a question i really could not figure out |
| 11:15.42 | hexxeh|work | !magic hate ball |
| 11:16.03 | Gehaktbal | anyone here cares to try and anwser it? ;) |
| 11:16.12 | jethro | !tell Gehaktbal -about ask |
| 11:16.13 | Gehaktbal | it is apache related :) |
| 11:16.17 | jethro | !tell Gehaktbal -about smart questions |
| 11:16.19 | Thunder00 | i'm looking for a Open souce CMS for a company which supports Departments, Sections within departments, news for each department, user authentication for each department ..... does anyone know a CMS or portal with these features ? |
| 11:16.19 | technos | Gehaktbal: Yes, some cheese is green. You can go to sleep without worrying now. |
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| 11:16.38 | naga01 | thanks for your info. I just try it. It seems not so simple! |
| 11:16.45 | gogo__ | where is apache2 default instaltion |
| 11:17.03 | half_life | anyone wants to send me gmail invite? |
| 11:17.11 | jethro | no |
| 11:17.14 | Akselii | ME! |
| 11:17.15 | Akselii | i can |
| 11:17.17 | Akselii | ME WANT! |
| 11:17.20 | bob2 | Thunder00: pick one channel |
| 11:17.24 | bob2 | just sign up on google.com |
| 11:17.32 | Akselii | waaiit! |
| 11:17.36 | Akselii | NO!!! |
| 11:17.39 | Akselii | half_life, |
| 11:17.42 | Akselii | Pm me with your emaiL! |
| 11:17.45 | asg | Thunder00: plone/zope |
| 11:17.50 | jethro | bob2: sign up? |
| 11:17.58 | bob2 | for gmail |
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| 11:17.59 | half_life | Akselii: you gonna or not? |
| 11:18.09 | Akselii | im gonna half_life just pm your email |
| 11:18.09 | etzerd | Hello all |
| 11:18.10 | jethro | bob2: where do you sign up? I can't see anything on google.com |
| 11:18.11 | half_life | bob2: you have to be invited |
| 11:18.16 | technos | I think I was at 100 last time I looked. |
| 11:18.21 | simonrvn | no you don't. not anymore |
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| 11:18.26 | jethro | ah |
| 11:18.30 | bob2 | no idea, I have like five thousand invites |
| 11:18.30 | etzerd | I like Debian, but I never can install it the way I like it. |
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| 11:18.44 | half_life | Akselii: coolppl@hotmail.com |
| 11:18.45 | jethro | then why do they fucking go on giviing me invites I don't give a rat butt about |
| 11:19.01 | ninereeds | bob2, did you read what i wrote earlier? |
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| 11:19.11 | simonrvn | jethro: to make you talk ;p |
| 11:19.14 | jethro | :) |
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| 11:19.19 | jethro | hi simonrvn btw |
| 11:19.21 | ninereeds | bob2, grub thinks the drive is hd0,6, linux thinks it's hda6 |
| 11:19.22 | bob2 | ninereeds: no |
| 11:19.23 | simonrvn | hi |
| 11:19.29 | bob2 | ninereeds: yes, that's how grub works |
| 11:19.37 | bob2 | it numbers from 0, linux 'numbers' from a |
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| 11:19.39 | ninereeds | bob2, read the above again ;) |
| 11:19.39 | hexxeh|work | actually, that's wrong |
| 11:19.42 | Akselii | actually hd0.6 is hda7 |
| 11:19.47 | bob2 | ok |
| 11:19.53 | hexxeh|work | Akselii wins |
| 11:19.54 | simonrvn | 0,0 |
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| 11:20.12 | spiekey | hi |
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| 11:20.16 | etzerd | I have an ATI Video Card with 128MB of memory, at the end of the installation Debian gave me the choice of VESA. When I choice ATI as my video card I do not have a GUI interface it drop me to the Console. When I accept VESA all I have is 800X600 Resolution. Can anyone help? |
| 11:20.21 | ninereeds | i did not typo, it is really thinking that my / is in two different places |
| 11:20.36 | simonrvn | @ops pOLice spam bot btw, just ban the nick |
| 11:20.38 | ravenbird | Hydroxide, bob2, caphuso, dondelelcaro, doogie, eeyore-, ElectricElf, greycat, helix, ljlane, LoRez, mentor, Netsnipe, TML, walters, xk: pOLice spam bot btw, just ban the nick |
| 11:20.42 | Akselii | okay |
| 11:20.46 | hexxeh|work | etzerd, what version of debian, what video card |
| 11:20.47 | etdgjqw | how do I pause screen when ls shows me more than one screen? |
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| 11:20.51 | Akselii | half_life, check the email og yours |
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| 11:21.03 | spiekey | i have got an uptime of 83 days, and when i try shutdown -h now or halt, my box wont shut down |
| 11:21.04 | *** mode/#debian [+o bob2] by ChanServ |
| 11:21.11 | bob2 | mode +b pOLice!*@* |
| 11:21.14 | *** mode/#debian [+b pOLice!*@*] by bob2 |
| 11:21.16 | jethro | simonrvn: if you no longer need invites, they should update the FAQ and make the sign up link more visible, I haven't found it yet :) |
| 11:21.19 | *** kick/#debian [pOLice!rob@202.174.101.196] by bob2 (fucktard) |
| 11:21.28 | RichiH | bob2: it's klined |
| 11:21.30 | simonrvn | maybe i'm wrong *shrug* |
| 11:21.38 | etzerd | I believe is the Sage and the Video card is ATI 9200 with 128MB of memory |
| 11:21.45 | spiekey | it just sits there |
| 11:21.50 | half_life | Akselli: thanx |
| 11:21.50 | bob2 | RichiH: the nick? |
| 11:21.56 | RichiH | bob2: the host |
| 11:22.03 | bob2 | RichiH: the host keeps changing |
| 11:22.04 | RichiH | we don't kline on nicks, we qline |
| 11:22.04 | hexxeh|work | etzerd, be sure. is it sarge or woody? where did you download it from? |
| 11:22.13 | RichiH | bob2: but the nick is always the same? |
| 11:22.16 | bob2 | RichiH: the last 'police' was banned on host and it made it back in |
| 11:22.20 | simonrvn | RichiH: yes |
| 11:22.22 | etzerd | from the Debian website |
| 11:22.30 | bob2 | RichiH: pOLice has been used by at least 5 spambots |
| 11:22.31 | RichiH | hmm, i will see if we can qline it, then |
| 11:22.31 | technos | spiekey: Can always kill stuff likely to want to write to the disc, sync everything and flip the power switch. |
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| 11:22.38 | RichiH | it's a pretty geenric name, though :( |
| 11:22.41 | bob2 | yeah |
| 11:22.44 | bob2 | it is a shame |
| 11:22.48 | jita | which version of Debian will contain the recent native packages? |
| 11:22.55 | hexxeh|work | etzerd, a site contains multiple pages. there are over a hundred debian ISOs on debian.org |
| 11:22.55 | spiekey | technos: the power switch is like 250miles away ;/ |
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| 11:23.03 | technos | spiekey: Rut roh. |
| 11:23.06 | simonrvn | only 'police' or variant i've seen is a spam bot... but anyway |
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| 11:23.49 | shurik | I want to build affordable 64 bit system which hardware should I use?:) |
| 11:23.50 | ninereeds_ | hmpf |
| 11:23.55 | ninereeds_ | connection reset |
| 11:23.58 | hexxeh|work | etzerd, did you get somethign like 3.0r5, or sarge-netinst? |
| 11:24.03 | ninereeds_ | jm_, bob2: any ideas? |
| 11:24.04 | hexxeh|work | shurik, 3000+ athlon 64 |
| 11:24.06 | SiliconViper | /dev/hda2 2.6G 2.6G 22M 100% / |
| 11:24.11 | simonrvn | ninereeds_: that peer dude is mean |
| 11:24.12 | technos | shurik: Pick up a used Alpha on Ebay. :) |
| 11:24.13 | hexxeh|work | shurik, socket 754 is cheaper but dead-end |
| 11:24.14 | SiliconViper | Closest fit ever. |
| 11:24.30 | half_life | Akselli: can you try again please |
| 11:24.31 | SiliconViper | Installed and fully loaded with 22MB to spare. |
| 11:24.43 | shurik | alpha are pricey, but new hardware is expensive |
| 11:24.48 | etzerd | hexxeh|work: That is excactly the version I have 3.Or5 |
| 11:24.48 | technos | SiliconViper: I hope your log files grow large and unwieldy, sir! |
| 11:24.57 | half_life | i havent been using that account and it had all folders deleted from it |
| 11:24.58 | Gehaktbal | anyone alive here? :) |
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| 11:25.07 | ninereeds_ | simonrvn, heh, indeed ;) |
| 11:25.10 | simonrvn | no, we're all undead |
| 11:25.13 | hexxeh|work | etzerd, woody. doesn't support your graphics card. doesn't support anything made after january 2002, infact. |
| 11:25.14 | Akselii | half_life, check your spam folder |
| 11:25.14 | SiliconViper | technos, nah, /var is on a loopback device on another drive. |
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| 11:25.27 | shurik | ultra sparcs and iMac are 64 bit too |
| 11:25.47 | half_life | Akselii: nah im telling you it was 'half deleted' so i had to activate it back |
| 11:25.48 | hexxeh|work | shurik, you can build an athlon 64 system for a few hundred pounds. |
| 11:25.50 | SiliconViper | G5 + Debian == sex. |
| 11:25.51 | simonrvn | depends which imacs you're talking about |
| 11:25.55 | etzerd | Whowwwwwwwwwwww, what version should I download then |
| 11:26.04 | hexxeh|work | !d-i etzerd |
| 11:26.05 | dpkg | etzerd, you want to go to http://www.debian.org/devel/debian-installer/ - for your own good, and everyone else's. |
| 11:26.16 | etzerd | I download Ubuntu 5.04 it is work perfect, but I like Debian better |
| 11:26.37 | shurik | and I don't want any proprietry systems because ity is expensive when you want to upgrade your system |
| 11:26.47 | jm_ | ninereeds: do you have a CD burner? |
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| 11:26.54 | shurik | okay I'd look into althlon |
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| 11:27.49 | jm_ | ninereeds_: > ninereeds: do you have a CD burner? |
| 11:27.55 | hexxeh|work | shurik, pre-built athlon64 with a tft, under £500. http://pcs.tiny.com/computers/home_pc/14238/61305/Tiny_Home_A64_Pro |
| 11:28.21 | shurik | groovy |
| 11:28.22 | spiekey | whats the esiest way to install the wohle kde? |
| 11:28.28 | spiekey | apt-get install kdelibs? |
| 11:28.35 | ninereeds_ | jm_, yes |
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| 11:28.44 | etzerd | dpkg: I went to the site the have: Release candidate 3, 2,ect which candidate should I download? |
| 11:28.49 | ninereeds_ | spiekey, apt-get install kde |
| 11:29.10 | BadMan | etzerd: rc3 |
| 11:29.20 | hexxeh|work | spiekey, apt-get install kde, unsurprisingly |
| 11:29.28 | hexxeh|work | spiekey, apt-get install kdebase if you don't want the extra crap |
| 11:29.30 | jm_ | ninereeds_: well then you could create a bootable GRUB CD |
| 11:29.51 | hexxeh|work | etzerd, well, what do you think, do you want the old version or the nwer version? think hard now |
| 11:29.59 | ninereeds_ | jm_, is there an image for that? |
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| 11:30.43 | etzerd | The fact of the matter is I already download the version 3.Or5 I have the same problem, I even have problem with my Keyboard. |
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| 11:31.16 | etzerd | What I cannot understand Ubuntu is running under Debian I install it with zero problem. |
| 11:31.24 | xcyborg | why does "apt-get install aptitude" fails with "aptitude: Depends: libapt-pkg-libc6.3-5-3.3" even if apt is installed ? |
| 11:31.31 | xcyborg | (unstable) |
| 11:31.46 | hexxeh|work | etzerd, for jesus christ's motherfucking sake. DEBIAN 3.0 IS THREE YEARS OLD. UBUNTU IS DEBIAN 3.1 WITH A COUPLE OF EXTRA PACKAGES. RUN DEBIAN 3.1 OR STOP FUCKING BITCHING |
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| 11:31.58 | xcyborg | I just reinstalled the apt package, but the situation persists |
| 11:32.37 | RichiH | xcyborg: libapt != apt |
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| 11:33.08 | xcyborg | RichiH: the apt package provides that virtual dependency, or am I wrong ? |
| 11:33.10 | streuner | hexxeh|work: read the article i gave you |
| 11:33.17 | RichiH | xcyborg: apt-get install libapt-pkg-libc6.3-5-3.3 and see what the error is |
| 11:33.18 | hexxeh|work | streuner, which one is that? |
| 11:33.25 | etzerd | hexxeh|work: why cursing easy bro. there is no need for that. where can I download release 3.1 If I may? |
| 11:33.32 | hexxeh|work | streuner, the "debian more up to date than ubuntu" one? |
| 11:33.34 | RichiH | xcyborg: dunno. check with apt-cahce |
| 11:33.43 | xcyborg | Note, selecting apt instead of libapt-pkg-libc6.3-5-3.3 |
| 11:33.43 | xcyborg | apt is already the newest version. |
| 11:34.05 | hexxeh|work | etzerd, from the link i gave 10 minutes ago? click the first thing marked "i386" on the page? it's not complicated |
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| 11:34.19 | RichiH | xcyborg: strange |
| 11:36.47 | streuner | hexxeh|work: in general yes: http://azure.humbug.org.au/~aj/blog/2005/04/14#2005-04-14-sarge-v-hoary |
| 11:36.47 | etzerd | Thanks bro. that is all I need. |
| 11:36.48 | hexxeh|work | streuner, shove it in a factoid. |
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| 11:36.48 | ubuntu | rfopgd |
| 11:36.48 | ubuntu | gogjopej |
| 11:36.48 | hexxeh|work | well that was a staggering display of the fine contribution ubuntu users make |
| 11:36.48 | spiekey | how do i install gnome on woody? |
| 11:36.48 | hexxeh|work | you don't. if you want gnome, you should be on sarge |
| 11:36.48 | spiekey | and kde? |
| 11:36.48 | streuner | spiekey: server or desktop |
| 11:36.48 | spiekey | desktop |
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| 11:36.48 | hexxeh|work | ditto. if you want anything desktop related, don't use woody. |
| 11:36.48 | streuner | spiekey: /msg dpkg d-i |
| 11:36.48 | hexxeh|work | or face smiting in the face |
| 11:36.48 | spiekey | ok |
| 11:36.49 | hexxeh|work | technically i think there are kde and gnome-desktop packages |
| 11:36.49 | streuner | spiekey: just install sarge |
| 11:36.49 | hexxeh|work | but what bloody use is woody on the desktop |
| 11:37.02 | BadMan | woody is the only thing that will run on my old laptop.... |
| 11:37.22 | hexxeh|work | so get a laptop made this century |
| 11:37.23 | positrix` | my laptop is 5 years old and its running sarge |
| 11:37.24 | BadMan | xfree 3.3.x |
| 11:37.44 | hexxeh|work | remember, in a month, no more security on woody |
| 11:37.49 | jm_ | ninereeds_: it's explained in GRUB docs, do you have that installed? |
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| 11:38.04 | bob2 | hexxeh|work: potato was supported for 18 months after woody came out |
| 11:38.19 | hexxeh|work | bob2, that long? bleh |
| 11:38.28 | bob2 | maybe it was a year |
| 11:38.30 | bob2 | I forget |
| 11:38.36 | positrix` | i have a bug report: "apt-get install girlfriend with big-tits" doesn't work (jk) |
| 11:38.45 | asg | positrix`: file a wishlist bug |
| 11:38.45 | BadMan | mines a '97 760XL w/ 65mb and 1mb vid card and a lowly 2.1gb hdd |
| 11:38.58 | hexxeh|work | see "this century" comment |
| 11:38.58 | BadMan | er 64mn |
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| 11:39.12 | ninereeds_ | jm_, yes. let me look at it |
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| 11:39.28 | BadMan | and I think it has died... crap... |
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| 11:41.20 | BadMan | Im thinking of blanking it and using it for a dedicated router/firewall and hardwiring it into my lan(of course wifi for other laptops to access via wap |
| 11:41.28 | close_to_debian | i am having problems with raidhotadd i am trying to add a 140gb hard disk to a raid1 partition(150gb) the error i get is 'too small to add' |
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| 11:41.54 | jm_ | ninereeds_: info grub -> installation -> making a grub bootable cd |
| 11:42.13 | xcyborg | sorry, I got disconnected, does anyone has any hints for this ? |
| 11:42.17 | xcyborg | dpkg -i aptitude_0.2.15.9-2_i386.deb fails too saying that Package libapt-pkg-libc6.3-5-3.3 is not installed. |
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| 11:42.57 | ninereeds_ | jm_, ah, yes, great, thanks :) |
| 11:43.43 | narff | which kernel version will SARGE come with? |
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| 11:43.52 | close_to_debian | i am having problems with raidhotadd i am trying to add a 140gb hard disk to a raid1 partition(150gb) the error i get is 'too small to add' |
| 11:43.56 | jm_ | ninereeds_: then when that boots, run the same root command and see what it says |
| 11:43.59 | cmd | can anyone tell me which debian package contains the libgcc_s.o.1 mine seems to be broken and i need to reinstall manually |
| 11:44.02 | n0dez | 2.4.27 and 2.6.8 i guess |
| 11:44.10 | mathieu_ | cmd, packages.debian.org |
| 11:44.26 | mathieu_ | cmd, or dpkg -S |
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| 11:44.40 | ^rob^ | hi |
| 11:44.44 | ninereeds_ | jm_, will do :) |
| 11:44.45 | ^rob^ | how do u reconfig a package? |
| 11:44.49 | simonrvn | apt-get install dlocate |
| 11:44.52 | asg | ^rob^: dpkg-reconfigure <foo> |
| 11:44.54 | xcyborg | dpkg-reconfigure ... |
| 11:44.59 | orfeu | hy all how can i install kde 3.4 on debian ? the packages are in testing ? |
| 11:45.07 | bob2 | #debian-kde |
| 11:45.17 | ^rob^ | ty |
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| 11:45.40 | noname | hello |
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| 11:45.48 | rave | hi |
| 11:45.56 | ^rob^ | grr |
| 11:45.59 | noname | could you tell me how to install the sources of the current kernel? |
| 11:46.02 | Cope | <fx> 700 people say hello </fx> |
| 11:46.05 | ^rob^ | how can i reconfigure exim4 ? |
| 11:46.09 | BadMan | isn't 3,4 in unstable? I asked them the other day and they said it breaks a lot fo crap onsarge... |
| 11:46.12 | rave | well thats easy |
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| 11:46.18 | ^rob^ | dpkg-reconfigure exim4 goes blank |
| 11:46.19 | rave | did you install a GUI ? |
| 11:46.25 | rave | like kde/gnome ? |
| 11:46.26 | bob2 | ^rob^: you want exim4-config |
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| 11:46.35 | noname | apt-get what? |
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| 11:46.43 | ^rob^ | oops i don't have it - ;) |
| 11:46.47 | hollino | helo |
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| 11:47.07 | noname | hollino: ciao. come si installano i sorgenti del kernel? |
| 11:47.18 | close_to_debian | i am having problems with raidhotadd i am trying to add a 140gb hard disk to a raid1 partition(150gb) the error i get is 'too small to add' |
| 11:47.24 | close_to_debian | any help ? |
| 11:47.31 | hollino | i have |
| 11:47.32 | BadMan | !it |
| 11:47.33 | dpkg | hmm... italian is per aiuto in lingua italiana: /j #debian-it, (anche /j #linux-it). Otterrete sicuramente piu' aiuto li', bischeri! For help in italian /j #debian-it or /j #linux-it |
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| 11:48.28 | rave | atp-get install kernel-headers-`uname -r` |
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| 11:48.37 | rave | there you go |
| 11:48.50 | rave | or use synaptic |
| 11:49.02 | BadMan | noname: first I would do uname -r figure out exactly what kernel you have then apt-cache search kernel-headers-2.x.x mathcing your kernel |
| 11:49.14 | Akselii | OH MY GOD!!!! |
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| 11:49.24 | Ry12 | how do u make games not launch in between both the monitors with twin view |
| 11:49.24 | hollino | i search info for debian presees who can help me? |
| 11:49.27 | Akselii | something BIG BAD wrong with gmail!! |
| 11:49.39 | Akselii | if i try to open a email it goes to mail.com not gmail.coM!!! |
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| 11:49.52 | cbr | in debian is there any general file to put commands that you want to be executed upon init? |
| 11:49.58 | bob2 | Akselii: we don't care |
| 11:50.02 | bob2 | cbr: no |
| 11:50.10 | bob2 | cbr: /etc/init.d/bootmisc.sh is kinda like that, tho |
| 11:50.14 | DanV | cbr: you can create one. |
| 11:50.17 | close_to_debian | is there a chaneel for hgetting help with raid |
| 11:50.20 | mentor | close_to_debian: Ummm...I'm guessing the disk is too small.... |
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| 11:50.36 | Jon | hm weird, must have been kicked |
| 11:50.41 | close_to_debian | mentor: Yes is there any way i can do hotadd |
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| 11:51.04 | BadMan | between 6 computers I might have it lol |
| 11:51.04 | ninereeds_ | jm_, i don't understand 'and copy any files and directories for the disc to the directory `iso/' in the info pages |
| 11:51.06 | eslio | if I install a minimum debian, all the packages are GPL? |
| 11:51.07 | cbr | DanV: how? |
| 11:51.07 | simonrvn | BadMan: 140 GB SCSI *drool*, RAID1 |
| 11:51.10 | hollino | i have edit a debian cd but now don't work there is a check of integeriy.. is possible disable? |
| 11:51.13 | bob2 | eslio: no |
| 11:51.21 | mentor | close_to_debian: I don't think the problem is with hotadd, rather it is with the fact that the disk it too small for the partition.... |
| 11:51.26 | DanV | cbr well, make a file in /etc/init.d - call it whatever you wnat |
| 11:51.30 | DanV | make it 744 |
| 11:51.34 | DanV | (chmod) |
| 11:51.35 | close_to_debian | mentor: 140gb + 150gb -> raid1 -> raidhotadd |
| 11:51.46 | cbr | and just put a command in there? |
| 11:51.48 | hid3 | How do I kill a zombie proccess? |
| 11:51.49 | simonrvn | close_to_debian: difference is too large to make the raid |
| 11:51.52 | paulswm | close_to_debian: 140GB disk, 150GB RAID, disk too small to add, here in the US, that's what the FBI call a 'clue' that you need a 140GB RAID partition or a 150GB disk |
| 11:51.56 | eslio | bob2, is it possible to make a debian installation using only gpl software? |
| 11:51.57 | BadMan | another year or two and my daughter will hopefully bypass her barbi garbage and I can format her computer to ldebian |
| 11:52.02 | ninereeds_ | jm_, i don't need anything besides stage_eltorito on the cd, nay? |
| 11:52.03 | bob2 | eslio: probably not |
| 11:52.09 | bob2 | eslio: why do you care? |
| 11:52.21 | DanV | cbr: put the commands in there, then run update-rc.d $YOURFILENAME defaults |
| 11:52.24 | DanV | it will create the scripts |
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| 11:52.53 | mentor | close_to_debian: yes...the most you can have is 140GB raid1...otherwise 10GB of data isn't mirrored... |
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| 11:53.07 | jm_ | ninereeds_: yeah, you won't get the menu, but you don't need it either |
| 11:53.09 | BadMan | hid3: killall-9 ? |
| 11:53.18 | BadMan | er |
| 11:53.23 | ninereeds_ | jm_, indeed, i don't want any menu |
| 11:53.25 | simonrvn | you don't kill zombies |
| 11:53.25 | eslio | bob2, just curious. i like gpl :) |
| 11:53.25 | hid3 | BadMan: no, it doesn't work :( |
| 11:53.29 | DanV | cbr: just man update-rc.d |
| 11:53.34 | cbr | DanV: i just have to do the update thing once ? |
| 11:53.35 | asg | simonrvn: you feed them brains |
| 11:53.36 | BadMan | as root? |
| 11:53.40 | simonrvn | kill the PPID. *maybe* it'll work |
| 11:53.40 | cbr | then i can randomly add commands there? |
| 11:53.52 | simonrvn | asg: *braaaaaaaanes* |
| 11:53.58 | ninereeds_ | jm_, or, is there a way to echo stuff from menu.lst? i could whip up a short reminder & howto for myself |
| 11:54.06 | DanV | cbr: I wouldn't suggest adding random comands at startup, but yes :) |
| 11:54.17 | asg | simonrvn: didn't you go to sleep yet? |
| 11:54.17 | cbr | ok thanks ;) |
| 11:54.18 | paulswm | asg: there's already a shortage, without feeding them to zombies |
| 11:54.25 | asg | paulswm: too true |
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| 11:54.39 | jm_ | ninereeds_: echo stuff? |
| 11:54.48 | hid3 | of course as root.. it doesn;t work |
| 11:54.50 | simonrvn | asg: i did. slept a bit, woke back up. too much coffee. i'll go back in a bit, having a snack |
| 11:55.00 | asg | simonrvn: ah okay |
| 11:55.10 | ninereeds_ | jm_, as in, output it to the screen when grub loads |
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| 11:55.53 | tarzeau | where do i get pxelinux.0 ? |
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| 11:56.04 | deb_it_ | what shoud i install to run "startx" ? |
| 11:56.06 | simonrvn | locate pxe ;p |
| 11:56.15 | BadMan | hmmm.... do you use "dd" to write floppy images to floppies on linux, or do I have to use rwarite on winders... |
| 11:56.18 | bob2 | deb_it_: x-window-system |
| 11:56.28 | mikeX | deb_it_, or x-window-system-core |
| 11:56.30 | deb_it_ | bob2: tanks |
| 11:56.37 | jm_ | ninereeds_: nope, no such command, there's cat though if you want it |
| 11:56.39 | technos | BadMan: Rawwrite is just DD for windows. :P USe either. :) |
| 11:56.47 | BadMan | thx technos |
| 11:56.48 | simonrvn | BadMan: cat works |
| 11:56.58 | BadMan | damn cats powerful... |
| 11:57.05 | tarzeau | simonrvn: ah from syslinux |
| 11:57.07 | BadMan | joins short mpgs for long clips |
| 11:57.14 | BadMan | write images.... |
| 11:57.26 | simonrvn | chases dog |
| 11:57.50 | technos | BadMan: Yes, especially the big ones.. Look what that happened to Roy! Clawed him near to death. |
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| 11:58.01 | simonrvn | bacon's neat, too bad it's pork |
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| 11:58.18 | Dabian | tarzeau: What are you doing with pxe? |
| 11:58.23 | markmrd | I made a device file for hda using mknod hda b 3 0 but when I try to mount the device it says "Invalid block device" any ideas what I did wrong? |
| 11:58.42 | Dabian | tarzeau: I am curious, because I am considering very much to buy a soekris. |
| 11:58.50 | tarzeau | Dabian: testing dphys3 (fully automatic installer for debian (sarge)) |
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| 11:59.06 | tarzeau | Dabian: i've netbooted/installed pretty much any arch (but not i386, at home) |
| 11:59.11 | bkhl | Why could it be that ftpd since updating my (testing) yesterday no longer allows any logins? |
| 11:59.17 | tarzeau | Dabian: as always i386 is the biggest mess |
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| 11:59.35 | simonrvn | @lart i386 |
| 11:59.36 | Dabian | tarzeau: i386 would be outlawed, if there were any justice. |
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| 11:59.50 | BadMan | wow not much info in "man cat" or "info coreutils cat" |
| 12:00.10 | Scrape | Anyone have a fix for debconf.schema now that it doesn't seem to work w/ slapd 2.2 ? |
| 12:00.26 | simonrvn | debconf has a schema? |
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| 12:00.38 | guorke_ | anyone use cygwin |
| 12:00.42 | Dabian | tarzeau: I think soekris uses sc1100, but I gues its too close to i386 .. however, it seems perfect for my purpose, I want to build a firewall, with features. |
| 12:00.47 | guorke_ | why it no root user |
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| 12:00.54 | Scrape | simonrvn: there's a debconf.schema (in debconf-doc, I believe) so that you can store debconf data in an LDAP directory |
| 12:01.06 | simonrvn | ah ok, i don't have that installed |
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| 12:01.12 | tarzeau | Dabian: have you seen this: |
| 12:01.15 | technos | The Soekris machines are indistinguishable from your average 486. |
| 12:01.27 | simonrvn | (knew about the ldap stuff, just didn't know it had a schema as well) |
| 12:01.41 | Dabian | ~lart guorke_ for asking cygwin questions on the debian channel. |
| 12:01.49 | tarzeau | Dabian: http://www.pamurray.com/manga/ |
| 12:01.50 | Scrape | simonrvn: However, unfortunately, it seemed to break w/ the latest slapd upgrade. (Additional note to self: don't store slapd config data in LDAP directory :-P ) |
| 12:02.14 | Dabian | tarzeau: I doubt it. I'll have a look! ;-) |
| 12:02.15 | simonrvn | Scrape: hey, 2.3.x is going that way, FYI |
| 12:02.33 | simonrvn | CVS HEAD is like that |
| 12:03.14 | simonrvn | acls, schema, iirc |
| 12:03.29 | Scrape | simonrvn: well, the problem was that on upgrade, it halts the server... now the debconf data isn't available! |
| 12:03.38 | BadMan | can I build xfree 3.3.6 against sarge? or will there be major dependy issues in the higher end sarge lib that xfree 3.3.6 cant use? |
| 12:04.17 | cafuego | BadMan: You should be able to just outright install and run the woody packages. |
| 12:04.49 | Dabian | tarzeau: Looks interesting .. but I don't quite understand. Is it a device similar to soekris, or a switch, or a firewall/hub device? |
| 12:04.55 | BadMan | hmmm... |
| 12:05.02 | shurik | debian is zzee best |
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| 12:05.13 | close_to_debian | How can i remove one partition from raid if its mounted |
| 12:05.15 | BadMan | would rather run sarge... since woody is so oooold |
| 12:05.36 | shurik | soekris is no good, it doesn't come with wireless NIC which is neede in 99% of the time |
| 12:05.38 | onre | do you know if grsec patch can make hdparm unable to set dma mode on? |
| 12:05.38 | simonrvn | Scrape: afaik, it should work on a 2.2.x server |
| 12:05.39 | shurik | today |
| 12:06.20 | simonrvn | Scrape: seems like it would work |
| 12:06.36 | cafuego | BadMan: yes, so run sarge, and fetch the woody xf86 3.3.6 debs and install them on sarge. |
| 12:06.43 | BadMan | close_to_debian: I dont really know never had a raid setup, if anythign like any other hdd umount it run your fdisk of choice for the raid device and re mount it.. |
| 12:07.16 | cafuego | onre: it'd be useless if it couldn't. |
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| 12:07.16 | simonrvn | Scrape: run slaptest after you've added it to your includes at the top (FYI, order is important, so add it to the bottom of the list) |
| 12:07.17 | bkhl | Nobody here has had trouble with logging in with ftpd recently? |
| 12:07.17 | Scrape | simonrvn: Are you looking at debconf.schema? Here's the error I get when I try to start slapd: /etc/ldap/schema/debconf.schema: line 53: AttributeType inappropriate matching rule: "caseIgnoreSubstringsMatch" |
| 12:07.40 | BadMan | cafuego: okay Guess I can try that... wish I had a second hdd in this old laptop.. or a larger one in any case.. |
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| 12:07.40 | Scrape | simonrvn: Hm... didn't know order was important... what should the order be? |
| 12:07.40 | kombi | now what are the necessary file permissions for a file served by apache? |
| 12:07.52 | simonrvn | shouldn't that be caseIgnoreSubstringMatch? /me checks |
| 12:07.54 | tarzeau | omg the shit really boots |
| 12:07.57 | cafuego | kombi: +x dir direcories and +r for files. |
| 12:07.59 | shining | bkhl, yes |
| 12:08.00 | shurik | by the way, are there small devices capable of running linux ? |
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| 12:08.07 | shurik | other than soekris |
| 12:08.15 | kombi | (given it is owned by foo.users).. |
| 12:08.15 | shurik | with wireless NIC |
| 12:08.16 | simonrvn | no, my bad |
| 12:08.24 | cafuego | shurik: Two of my access points run Linux. |
| 12:08.24 | Scrape | simonrvn: plural is correct... there's an earlier entry like it that works |
| 12:08.29 | kombi | cafuego: thx! |
| 12:08.33 | Dabian | tarzeau: Congratulations! |
| 12:08.36 | ninereeds_ | jm_, ok, i will reboot now. and i right in assuming you want me to try root (hd0,5/6), setup, kernel, initrd then boot? |
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| 12:08.56 | cafuego | shurik: a Linksys WRT54G and a Minitar 802.11b |
| 12:09.07 | simonrvn | Scrape: at the bottom, after cosine, inetorgperson, nis, core, misc, etc. |
| 12:09.20 | simonrvn | tarzeau: hey, cool |
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| 12:09.48 | Scrape | simonrvn: Is there any particular order those standard ones should be in? |
| 12:09.49 | simonrvn | run slaptest, it'll tell you ;) |
| 12:09.49 | ^rob^ | is there a way to recall exim4 config script - the one appeared on sys install? |
| 12:09.58 | bkhl | shining: "yes" you had this problem or "yes" nobody else did? |
| 12:10.08 | cafuego | ^rob^: remove the current one, reinstall with --force-confmiss |
| 12:10.11 | simonrvn | ^rob^: dpkg-reconfigure exim4-config, like bob2 said |
| 12:10.14 | shining | bkhl, nobody else did |
| 12:10.14 | bob2 | ^rob^: sudo dpkg-reconfigure exim4-config |
| 12:10.17 | kombi | cafuego: and is user "nobody" usually a member of group "users"? |
| 12:10.18 | Dabian | bkhl: Yes. |
| 12:10.19 | ninereeds_ | brb |
| 12:10.26 | bkhl | Very funny. |
| 12:10.31 | cafuego | kombi: No, that would defeat the purpose. |
| 12:10.33 | Dabian | bkhl: Indeed. :-) |
| 12:10.35 | ^rob^ | k ty |
| 12:10.38 | shining | lol |
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| 12:10.53 | cafuego | kombi: 'nobody' should be a member of 'nogroup' and nothing else. |
| 12:11.03 | kombi | cafuego: ok.. |
| 12:11.25 | Dabian | cafuego: Nice motto. :) |
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| 12:11.28 | BadMan | it's a nasty little device but I have a mn-110 usb network adapter for my laptop, does an individual use one of these successfully under debian? |
| 12:11.38 | BadMan | google not returnign anything.... |
| 12:11.44 | Scrape | simonrvn: Same error comes up when I run slaptest |
| 12:12.03 | Dabian | cafuego: No humor? |
| 12:12.06 | cafuego | Ph'nglui Mglw'nafh Cthulhu R'Lyeh Wgah'nagl Fhtagn! |
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| 12:12.31 | overnout | lol |
| 12:12.39 | simonrvn | Scrape: is it included at the bottom of the list? the matching rule is valid |
| 12:12.39 | cthulfuego | r'lyeh! |
| 12:13.02 | simonrvn | here comes the human-eating beast |
| 12:13.16 | mikeX | omg |
| 12:13.28 | asg | Ia! Ia! Shub-Niggurath! |
| 12:13.57 | ^rob^ | is this collon separated list? a|b|c ?? |
| 12:14.09 | ^rob^ | colon is | ?? |
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| 12:14.15 | paulswm | ^rob^: a colon is a ';' |
| 12:14.18 | cafuego | ^rob^: : |
| 12:14.20 | positrix` | badman: yes, usb-ethernet adapters work under debian. im using one now. |
| 12:14.21 | mikeX | ^rob^, or : |
| 12:14.22 | hexxeh|work | colon is : |
| 12:14.23 | ^rob^ | ty |
| 12:14.24 | paulswm | aaargh |
| 12:14.25 | Scrape | simonrvn: Yep, it's at the bottom of the list |
| 12:14.26 | cafuego | paulswm: That would be a semi-colon |
| 12:14.27 | paulswm | ':' |
| 12:14.28 | hexxeh|work | semicolon is ; |
| 12:14.29 | mikeX | ; is a semicolono |
| 12:14.53 | BadMan | positrix`: this is a MicroShit usb adapter.... |
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| 12:15.10 | asg | cafuego: does that make Phated the Mother with a thousand young? |
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| 12:15.35 | kombi | cafuego: so how would i best permit files to httpd, their owner and me? (this is silly, I know but I never quite got it..) |
| 12:15.46 | BadMan | I have a 3com wifi adapter that is supported but I need to be able to use the hardwired when I take it placec with me... |
| 12:15.48 | hexxeh|work | i'm not sure Phated would want to be described as a she-goat with a thousand young |
| 12:16.34 | BadMan | kombi: add yourself to group www and set the group perms for readable to www only....? |
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| 12:16.56 | cafuego | kombi: Not unless you need web users to write to files. |
| 12:16.57 | simonrvn | Scrape: core, cosine, nis, inetorgperson are the order in mine |
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| 12:17.01 | kombi | BadMan: group nogroup in my case.. |
| 12:17.14 | simonrvn | (plus about 20 others....) |
| 12:17.21 | cafuego | kombi: 'o+rX' is all apache needs, irrespective of who owns the files. |
| 12:17.30 | positrix` | badman: you could always get a pcmcia-ethernet adapter? or buy a proper usb-ethernet dongle. they're like, $10-$20 |
| 12:17.31 | Scrape | simonrvn: same here |
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| 12:17.43 | simonrvn | ok, let's try this thing... |
| 12:18.22 | cafuego | kombi: if you need multiple users writing to multiple files, set up a www-write group. |
| 12:18.22 | kombi | cafuego: ah, that's good! |
| 12:18.22 | cafuego | kombi: and chmod g+s the directory |
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| 12:18.54 | kombi | cafuego: ..what does g+s do, I can only do 775 type stuff... |
| 12:19.09 | cafuego | kombi: g+s is 2775 |
| 12:19.32 | cafuego | kombi: it means all fiels created in that dir will be owned by the group that owns the directory. |
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| 12:19.53 | simonrvn | Scrape: first thought off the top of my head is that the syntax is wrong. i'm checking it now |
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| 12:20.20 | kombi | cafuego: is that called sticky bit? |
| 12:20.23 | olecom | is there debian-way to setup ide-disk parameters (hdparm: multicount, IO 32 bit, unmaskirq, etc.) ? |
| 12:20.32 | cafuego | kombi: No, sticky is 1775 (+t) |
| 12:21.01 | kombi | cafuego: I will just have to do some more reading on file permissions... thank you though! |
| 12:21.02 | BadMan | positrix`: yeah Gues that would probably be easiest, bought it at circuit shitty when I needed one and that was the only store in the town we stayed in. |
| 12:21.02 | heaven | hello |
| 12:21.08 | BadMan | when it was still winders |
| 12:21.11 | luulis` | olecom: hdparm and its not really debian-specific |
| 12:21.44 | olecom | luulis`> i mean bootstrap scripts |
| 12:21.51 | Scrape | simonrvn: Just a note, it seemed to work fine several days ago w/ 2.1 |
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| 12:21.57 | luulis` | olecom: oh sorry didnt read your whole line |
| 12:21.59 | simonrvn | Scrape: yeh, as SYNTAX for caseIgnoreSubstringsMatch i have 1.3.6.1.4.1.1466.115.121.1.58, that schema has 1.3.6.1.4.1.1466.115.121.1.40 |
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| 12:22.06 | luulis` | luulis`: dont know about that.. |
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| 12:22.39 | Scrape | simonrvn: so, would it be safe to just change that 40 into 58? In theory? |
| 12:22.48 | simonrvn | Scrape: make change, and file a bug on it |
| 12:22.52 | simonrvn | make the* |
| 12:22.57 | simonrvn | in practice |
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| 12:23.33 | simonrvn | # Requires: OpenLDAP 2.0.x,2.1.x core.schema (for description attribute) |
| 12:24.29 | Scrape | simonrvn: Eh, actually, that didn't fix it |
| 12:24.46 | luulis` | olecom: theres /etc/default/hdparm to set the default options used by /etc/init.d/hdparm |
| 12:24.55 | simonrvn | Scrape: what's the error? |
| 12:24.57 | graet | help. i can't send a mail with a screenshot image attached to debian-user@lists.debian.org. no err msg but it does not appear there. |
| 12:25.06 | olecom | luulis`> defaults are _very_ bad, i noticed only today ;D thanks |
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| 12:25.16 | heaven | Can you chat with me |
| 12:25.19 | Chooch | how do I pause a long ls listing? |
| 12:25.27 | simonrvn | graet: i'm sure a link to the screenshot will work just as well |
| 12:25.34 | technos | Chooch: ls | less |
| 12:25.35 | Chooch | like dir /p in dos |
| 12:25.40 | Chooch | ok thanks |
| 12:25.43 | Chooch | :-) |
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| 12:25.54 | graet | a link to the screenshot? don't get it. |
| 12:26.20 | Scrape | simonrvn: same error |
| 12:26.37 | simonrvn | change it back |
| 12:28.27 | tarzeau | the crap, does kernel panic of course |
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| 12:28.40 | heaven | sdfdfgdf |
| 12:28.41 | tarzeau | i hate i386. someone does netboot/netinstall i386 and can give me a hand? |
| 12:28.53 | hexxeh|work | sarge or woody? |
| 12:28.57 | tarzeau | sarge |
| 12:29.03 | hexxeh|work | what exactly isn't working? |
| 12:29.25 | tarzeau | hexxeh|work: i get <0>Kernel panic: Attempted to kill init! |
| 12:29.35 | tarzeau | a line before is Code: ff ff ff ff ff ... |
| 12:30.17 | hexxeh|work | tarzeau, at what point? |
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| 12:30.33 | tarzeau | hexxeh|work: right after ACPI: Interpreter disabled. |
| 12:30.40 | tarzeau | hexxeh|work: invalid operand: 0000 |
| 12:30.46 | tarzeau | and the register dump |
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| 12:30.58 | tarzeau | it sees CPU: Intel Pentium 75 - 200 stepping 0c |
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| 12:32.02 | Chooch | <technos> ls | less tells me less command not found |
| 12:32.04 | hexxeh|work | tarzeau, no idea i'm afraid |
| 12:32.16 | tarzeau | Chooch: install it |
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| 12:32.23 | Chooch | how? |
| 12:32.30 | tarzeau | Chooch: apt-get install less |
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| 12:32.41 | technos | Chooch: Try ls | more then. |
| 12:32.55 | abrotman | tarzeau: your bootloader hates you ? |
| 12:33.02 | tarzeau | abrotman: i386 hates me. |
| 12:33.08 | tarzeau | abrotman: sucks that you didn't even get an answer |
| 12:33.10 | abrotman | tarzeau: i've seen that before .. |
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| 12:33.16 | abrotman | tarzeau: from joey? |
| 12:33.18 | Chooch | I install less |
| 12:33.19 | Chooch | thanks |
| 12:33.21 | tarzeau | abrotman: yes |
| 12:33.28 | abrotman | tarzeau: maybe you should ping the bossman and tell him :) |
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| 12:33.29 | ninereeds | jm_, i can boot from cd |
| 12:33.51 | abrotman | tarzeau: i could always send it again |
| 12:33.57 | tarzeau | abrotman: i've got atftpd (tftpd-hpa is buggy, doesn't remove init script btw) |
| 12:34.05 | tarzeau | abrotman: and dhcp3-server and syslinux |
| 12:34.06 | Chooch | how do I quit less? |
| 12:34.10 | abrotman | q |
| 12:34.10 | tarzeau | Chooch: q |
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| 12:34.19 | ninereeds | jm_, what i can't do is get grub to install correctly from the booted system. the old errors about not being able to read stage 1 |
| 12:34.26 | abrotman | tarzeau: and it gets a bad kernel ? |
| 12:34.27 | tarzeau | 14:34 [gnu] CTCP VERSION reply from Chooch: mIRC v6.16 Khaled Mardam-Bey |
| 12:34.33 | Chooch | 10x |
| 12:34.40 | tarzeau | abrotman: dunno, it looks fine to me |
| 12:34.49 | abrotman | tarzeau: not if it's killing init :) |
| 12:34.51 | tarzeau | !10x |
| 12:34.51 | dpkg | Unless you mean 10 times, please spell it out: "thanks". IRC doesn't charge you by the character, nor is it AOHELL instant messenger. |
| 12:34.53 | Chooch | how come that after installing xserver and fluxbox startx won't start? |
| 12:34.54 | iLLf8d | lo all can anyone tell me if theres a way to apt-get -d install (all packages on the system) in a command or do I need to dpkg --get-selections and pipe it to that command? |
| 12:35.04 | hexxeh|work | Chooch, becuase the package is called x-window-system |
| 12:35.18 | Chooch | so what's xserver-xfree86? |
| 12:35.23 | abrotman | not much |
| 12:35.29 | tarzeau | iLLf8d: wtf do you want to really do? |
| 12:35.33 | hexxeh|work | Chooch, a piece of a puzzle |
| 12:35.40 | ninereeds | can someone who has windows and debian installed please /exec -o cat /boot/grub/menu.lst into /query, for me? |
| 12:35.42 | iLLf8d | tarzeau: get all the debs for the packages installed |
| 12:35.46 | Dabian | sudo find / -iname chooch -exec rm -rf "{}" ";" |
| 12:35.50 | tarzeau | iLLf8d: wtf do you want to really do? |
| 12:35.54 | abrotman | iLLf8d: you can't install *all* the packages at the same time |
| 12:36.02 | Chooch | hehe,have they changed the package name? |
| 12:36.09 | tarzeau | Dabian: that won't work |
| 12:36.14 | abrotman | ninereeds: what's the real problem? |
| 12:36.27 | heaven | Helle, everyone! |
| 12:36.28 | iLLf8d | I'm just looking to redownload the debs for all packages installed on my system |
| 12:36.35 | abrotman | iLLf8d: and why? |
| 12:36.49 | tarzeau | Dabian: his username is wrawr, and find on windows/dos is different |
| 12:36.50 | Dabian | tarzeau: You think 'sudo find / -iname chooch -exec rm -rf "{}" ";"' wouldn't work? |
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| 12:36.55 | iLLf8d | so when I'm on my laptop and nuke something I can have a dvd of what I need to fix it |
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| 12:36.59 | Dabian | tarzeau: Ahh ok. |
| 12:37.01 | tarzeau | Dabian: yes it won't work on a system that runs mIRC |
| 12:37.07 | abrotman | iLLf8d: so why not get the DVD images ? |
| 12:37.18 | tarzeau | iLLf8d: why? |
| 12:37.25 | abrotman | iLLf8d: and unless you clean out oyur cache .. they are still there |
| 12:37.26 | Dabian | tarzeau: I guess it might work, if I smbmount him first? |
| 12:37.27 | doub | iLLf8d: you have them in /var/cache/apt/archives/ |
| 12:37.28 | shining | the package names for X really suck, this question is always asked |
| 12:37.36 | tarzeau | shining: no it's not |
| 12:37.39 | abrotman | shining: file a bug |
| 12:37.41 | iLLf8d | yeah cache has been cleaned out long ago |
| 12:37.45 | doub | iLLf8d: or you can install apt-proxy |
| 12:37.50 | ninereeds | abrotman, my partition table is weird. grub thinks it's hd0,6, linux thinks it's hda6 -- i can boot with these settings from my grub boot cd, namely kernel (hd0,6)/../vmlinuz root=/dev/hda6 -- but grub freaks out when i want to reinstall it |
| 12:38.00 | iLLf8d | ah apt-proxy will look into it thanks doub |
| 12:38.14 | Dabian | ninereeds: So at least GNU/Linux and GRUB agrees. :) |
| 12:38.19 | abrotman | ninereeds: because grub and linux number partitions differently to start |
| 12:38.29 | Dabian | ninereeds: What does fstab think? |
| 12:38.30 | abrotman | hda0 == hd0,0 |
| 12:38.32 | ninereeds | Dabian, no, they don't grub starts to count with 0, linux with 1 |
| 12:38.32 | abrotman | err |
| 12:38.33 | abrotman | shit |
| 12:38.37 | abrotman | hda1 = hd0,0 |
| 12:38.41 | Scrape | simonrvn: I changed it to something similar to the other entries... .26 for the syntax, and added an EQUALITY line, and it tests ok. Of course, don't know if it's "right"... |
| 12:38.57 | ninereeds | abrotman, i know. that's why kernel (hd0,6)/../vmlinuz root=/dev/hda6 MUST NOT work |
| 12:38.58 | ninereeds | but it does |
| 12:39.00 | Scrape | simonrvn: It looks like .40 is an octet string, and perhaps "caseIgnoreSubstringsMatch" doesn't apply to such? |
| 12:39.04 | tarzeau | ninereeds: linux has sdN and hdN , grub not |
| 12:39.06 | simonrvn | http://www.apps.ietf.org/rfc/rfc3698.html -- caseIgnoreListSubstringsMatch |
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| 12:39.26 | abrotman | ninereeds: no .. that could work .. /boot could be hd0,6 and / be /dev/hda6 |
| 12:39.34 | ninereeds | tarzeau, you have been in here while i was describing my problmes long enough to know that i know that ;) |
| 12:39.36 | Dabian | ninereeds: I bet you havn'ted tried to pxe boot the thing instead. |
| 12:39.39 | simonrvn | for the 1.3.6.1.4.1.1466.115.121.1.58 syntax |
| 12:39.54 | tarzeau | Dabian: i hate pxeboot |
| 12:39.57 | ninereeds | Dabian, tell me and i will try |
| 12:39.58 | abrotman | since vmlinuz is a link to /boot though ... |
| 12:40.00 | doub | iLLf8d: there's also apt-move which can maintain a local mirror of installed packages. but this program is quite a mess and quite impossible to modify, full of bash/awk/sed incantations |
| 12:40.11 | tarzeau | i wonder why i386 people make all more hard than needed |
| 12:40.14 | abrotman | ninereeds: i think he didn't mean you |
| 12:40.14 | ninereeds | abrotman, i only have / and i don't have a seperate /boot |
| 12:40.22 | abrotman | ninereeds: oh .. cute |
| 12:40.38 | tarzeau | if i had a blessed scroll of genocide i'd remove all i386 on the world |
| 12:40.40 | ninereeds | abrotman, pity. i would have liked to try aanother thing :) |
| 12:40.46 | shining | ninereeds, and its hda6 ? what is hda5 then ? |
| 12:40.52 | simonrvn | caseIgnoreSubstringsMatch -- RFC 2252 |
| 12:40.57 | ninereeds | after, let's see, wasting 8+ hours on this |
| 12:41.14 | iLLf8d | doub: thanks will look into that also (the scripts might be interesting) |
| 12:41.15 | doub | tarzeau: that won't prevent people from having their platform of (non-)choice |
| 12:41.17 | tarzeau | and microsoft would go bankrupt, because no computer on the world could run their software anymore |
| 12:41.39 | ninereeds | shining, hda5 is an empty partition that used to be /boot in a previous install. it's completely empty and definately of no concern |
| 12:41.43 | abrotman | hey .. what happened to the mrydrrin page about grub ? |
| 12:42.00 | doub | tarzeau: the original windows nt ran on powerpc, alpha, and maybe some i forget |
| 12:42.04 | ninereeds | from y point of view, the partition table is borked |
| 12:42.09 | abrotman | doub: not original |
| 12:42.13 | shining | ninereeds, maybe :) |
| 12:42.14 | abrotman | doub: a few revisions after |
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| 12:42.19 | streuner__ | abrotman: what happend to the dinosaurus? |
| 12:42.34 | abrotman | streuner__: dunno .. google says it's gone |
| 12:42.37 | ninereeds | streuner__, they died of foot cancer |
| 12:42.39 | shining | ninereeds, but.. it works ? |
| 12:42.41 | simonrvn | Scrape: saw the above? lemme find what syntax caseignoresubstringsmatch uses... |
| 12:42.41 | doub | abrotman: vocabulary problem, i ment former |
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| 12:42.54 | ninereeds | shining, only from boot cd, which is not a good solution |
| 12:43.10 | ninereeds | and tbh, i would rather reinstall than run with a borked partition table |
| 12:43.25 | ninereeds | this kind of thing only gets you into trouble |
| 12:43.42 | doub | tarzeau: so i bet it wouldn't take long before ms comes to the new platform of non-choice |
| 12:43.43 | abrotman | did you try update-grub ? |
| 12:44.00 | shurik | and use utility to create the partion tables that comes with OS you are installling |
| 12:44.13 | tarzeau | doub: they'd have a hard time selling those computers preinstalled with their software |
| 12:44.20 | tarzeau | doub: and that'd kill them definitely |
| 12:44.23 | ninereeds | abrotman, yes |
| 12:44.25 | Scrape | simonrvn: it uses .58, which is "Substring Assertion"... it seems to me that syntax is where the "Substring Assertion" is defined, not the syntax that the type uses. |
| 12:44.30 | shining | tarzeau, why? |
| 12:44.33 | doub | tarzeau: i would'nt bet on that |
| 12:44.35 | shurik | debian is zzee best |
| 12:44.37 | technos | tarzeau: You're not allowed to curse 1386 to the pits of Hades untill you install debian on a HP/9 735 with only the LVD drive rack. |
| 12:44.38 | tarzeau | doub: i would |
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| 12:44.43 | ninereeds | shi do not want to create, i want to fix, at this point |
| 12:44.45 | simonrvn | Scrape: caseIgnoreIA5SubstringsMatch is .26 |
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| 12:45.00 | ninereeds | shurik: ^ |
| 12:45.00 | tarzeau | technos: i've got a hp pa 710 or os |
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| 12:45.17 | Dabian | technos: How far are you allowed to curse i386 then? |
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| 12:45.27 | simonrvn | Scrape: yes |
| 12:45.28 | tarzeau | Dabian: there's no limit. |
| 12:45.35 | technos | Dabian: Still quite a lot, I'm afraid. |
| 12:45.37 | doub | tarzeau: at first, many people thought m$ wouldn't invade the PDA or embedded (think consumer, not industry) world. palm was the os of choice. look at what it became |
| 12:45.38 | ninereeds | this is the last try, i guess. if there is noone who know about a fixing tool for my partition table, i will have to redo the whole box, i guess |
| 12:45.50 | Dabian | technos: To Jordan? |
| 12:45.52 | shurik | if it's to be a server and you don't care if you don't have all seervers running debian i'd install netbsd on HP/9 735 |
| 12:46.05 | positrix` | later |
| 12:46.05 | Dabian | tarzeau: Thanks |
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| 12:46.17 | shurik | but debian is zzee best :) |
| 12:46.25 | Scrape | simonrvn: The attribute in question in the schema is "extendedDescription"... does it seem reasonable to change that to "IA5 String" (.26), similar to others in the schema, rather than "Octet String" (.40) ? |
| 12:46.45 | shining | shuning, stop it maybe ? |
| 12:46.49 | shurik | common lisp is zzee best |
| 12:46.52 | jm_ | ninereeds: can you do root (hd0,5) from CD? |
| 12:46.55 | shurik | and haskell |
| 12:47.04 | tarzeau | hexxeh|work: any chance you can guide me to install my i386 with sarge w/ netboot? |
| 12:47.20 | shining | damn |
| 12:47.20 | ninereeds | jm_, no, it will only tell me it does not know what kind of partition it is |
| 12:47.34 | hexxeh|work | tarzeau, assuming no inexplicable hardware issues, there's not much to describe |
| 12:47.38 | tarzeau | hexxeh|work: oh wait, i'll try http://people.debian.org/~joeyh/d-i/images/daily/netboot/debian-installer/i386/ |
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| 12:47.51 | hexxeh|work | tarzeau, have you tried linux26 ? |
| 12:47.54 | ninereeds | jm_, hd0,6/../vmlinuz root=/dev/hda6 does _work_ |
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| 12:48.01 | tarzeau | hexxeh|work: i will just try it now |
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| 12:48.08 | jm_ | ninereeds: what do you mean does work? |
| 12:48.23 | shurik | tarzeau: real easy, either with bootp or dhcp, put the files on remote server preconfigure necessary configuration files and that's all |
| 12:48.31 | shurik | explained in debian' installation guide |
| 12:48.32 | ninereeds | jm_, i can boot with these wacko settings (from cd) |
| 12:48.42 | ninereeds | it won't work when i do it from my hdd menu.lst |
| 12:48.47 | linoleum | hello, I have actualy gnomebaker , but I know there is a similar burner for gnome , but I forgot the name, any idea? |
| 12:48.59 | jm_ | ninereeds: can you give the exact command as that doesn't make sense to me? |
| 12:49.02 | shurik | nerolinux |
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| 12:49.06 | tarzeau | shurik: i did that. oh well forget it |
| 12:49.06 | ninereeds | jm_, grub and linux disagree about what my drive is |
| 12:49.14 | hexxeh|work | linoleum, k3b is the best gui cd burner, even though it's a kde app |
| 12:49.25 | shurik | nerolinux is zzee best |
| 12:49.29 | technos | shurik: I'd like to see you try that on a stock 735 workstation. :P |
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| 12:49.38 | jm_ | ninereeds: yeah there may be a geometry mismatch - you can check what kernel prints and what GRUB thinks it is (geometry command) |
| 12:49.41 | hexxeh|work | shurik, far from it. it has a poor gui & almost none of the features of proper linux apps |
| 12:49.42 | g4rf | hi |
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| 12:49.52 | shurik | oh well |
| 12:49.54 | linoleum | hexxeh|work, ok I found it : graveman |
| 12:49.56 | shurik | :) |
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| 12:50.10 | shining | shurik, stop it please, you are annoying |
| 12:50.12 | ninereeds | nine root(hd0,6) setup(hd0,6) kernel(0,6)/boot/vmlinuz-foo root=/dev/hda6 initrd../../.. boot |
| 12:50.19 | shurik | shining: what? |
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| 12:50.22 | sunrise | hi all |
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| 12:51.00 | simonrvn | Scrape: depends. octet string is used in things like PKI certs, userPassword, and such. whereas ia5 string is used in macAddress, ipHostNumber and other stuff. ia5 string supports unicode explicitly IIRC (the server does too, it's all stored in utf-8). |
| 12:51.17 | sunrise | because alioth is full I can not checkin cvs ? |
| 12:51.18 | ninereeds | jm_, how can i tell what the kernel thinks the geometry is? |
| 12:51.39 | Scrape | It -seems- like an "extended description" would survive not being an "octet string" |
| 12:51.46 | DwyaneWade | If it give the next command: dd if=/dev/hda of=/media/floppy/boot.mbr bs=512 count=1 and then boot from floppy the command dd if=/media/floppy/boot.mbr of=/dev/hda bs=512 count=1 will restore my mbr? |
| 12:51.48 | simonrvn | Scrape: i suppose it won't hurt too much |
| 12:51.52 | g4rf | I've got a problme with a keyboard, it's running well with a 2.4.24 but when I try with the 2.6.10 it doesn't work, everything seems to be good in the kernel (it works with another keyboard), I try with and without gdm it's the same. I don't know why please help ;) |
| 12:51.58 | ivallad1 | anyone can suggest a colaborative CMS, preferibly python powered? |
| 12:52.04 | asg | ivallad1: plone/zope |
| 12:52.06 | simonrvn | ivallad1: zope |
| 12:52.12 | simonrvn | and ^^ |
| 12:52.20 | ninereeds | DwyaneWade, it should, yes |
| 12:52.33 | shurik | g4rf in X? |
| 12:52.39 | ninereeds | DwyaneWade, otoh, that is the way i destroyed my mbr just yesterday, most likely |
| 12:52.51 | ivallad1 | asg: ok, plone is not what I call "collaborative" (scoop, drupal) |
| 12:52.56 | DwyaneWade | ninereeds: otoh? |
| 12:53.02 | g4rf | shurik: no with or without X it's lock when I pass lilo |
| 12:53.02 | ninereeds | !otoh |
| 12:53.02 | Scrape | simonrvn: any other thoughts? |
| 12:53.02 | dpkg | i guess otoh is On The Other Hand. It's YAFA. |
| 12:53.20 | sunrise | ivallad1, use MoinMoin wiki http://moinmoin.wikiwikiweb.de |
| 12:53.29 | DwyaneWade | !YAFA |
| 12:53.29 | dpkg | well, yafa is Yet Another Freakin Acronym. |
| 12:53.37 | shurik | g4rf prebuilt kernel or your own ? |
| 12:53.42 | simonrvn | Scrape: i'd run with it. but that's me, i live on the edge |
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| 12:53.58 | jm_ | ninereeds: it tells you on screen when it boots, use dmesg command |
| 12:53.59 | simonrvn | Scrape: sticking with .26 i mean |
| 12:54.02 | ivallad1 | sunrise: thanks, that's a wiki and I know usemodwiki enough! |
| 12:54.05 | shurik | g4rf: remote login into the system and check messages log file and check if the module has been loaded for the keyboard |
| 12:54.10 | ninereeds | jm_, k |
| 12:54.22 | DwyaneWade | ninereeds: Know any other way not to lose contact with my Debian after a Windows repair? |
| 12:54.24 | g4rf | shurik: my kernel |
| 12:54.46 | simonrvn | Scrape: i'm rather surprised it didn't work in a 2.2.x server, frankly |
| 12:54.47 | g4rf | shurik: I don't use modules, everything is Y |
| 12:54.53 | ninereeds | DwyaneWade, you can boot from another cd, say knoppix |
| 12:54.55 | shurik | you use prebuilt kernels you ...... |
| 12:54.57 | shurik | :) |
| 12:55.23 | shurik | is it ps/2 or usb ? |
| 12:55.28 | shurik | keyboard |
| 12:55.33 | doub | DwyaneWade: or the d-i install cd, assuming you used this one |
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| 12:56.00 | ninereeds | DwyaneWade, then, you do mount -o rw,dev /dev/yourrootpartition /mnt -- mount -o rw,dev /dev/yourbootpartition /mnt/boot -- chroot /mnt -- mount -t proc /proc /proc -- grub-install /dev/yourharddrive |
| 12:56.27 | DwyaneWade | i made a net install |
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| 12:56.34 | DwyaneWade | so i have no install CD |
| 12:56.43 | tarzeau | install26 panics too |
| 12:56.44 | DwyaneWade | only that ISO image |
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| 12:57.01 | shurik | g4rf: remote login and check /dev direcoty and messages log |
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| 12:57.15 | ninereeds | DwyaneWade, burn you a knoppix. you should always have a knoppix for system recovery |
| 12:57.27 | ninereeds | put it on rw and update your cd every half year |
| 12:57.40 | ninereeds | DwyaneWade, i can not count the times knoppix has saved my ass |
| 12:57.54 | shurik | :) |
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| 12:58.18 | toresbe | ninereeds: you should also back dat ass up |
| 12:58.30 | shining | you don't need knoppix to do that |
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| 12:58.44 | shining | every other live cd would do |
| 12:58.48 | ninereeds | jm_, i can't find the geometry in dmesg -- what should i be looking for? |
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| 12:58.55 | toresbe | yeah, 'course |
| 12:59.02 | jm_ | ninereeds: dmesg|grep hda |
| 12:59.06 | shurik | for exmpale wha you don't have a bootable kernel |
| 12:59.17 | shurik | you could always rely on knoppix to save your ass |
| 12:59.27 | jm_ | ninereeds: or check /proc/ide/hda/geometry |
| 12:59.34 | simonrvn | you could also have decent backups... |
| 12:59.39 | Chooch | how do I start bash/console/whatever in fluxbox? |
| 12:59.56 | shining | Chooch, from the menu? |
| 13:00.02 | ninereeds | shining, true, but knoppix has many many programs that are useful. i have not found acd as complete, yet. superrescue is a joke compared to knoppix, for example |
| 13:00.04 | jharrisonwk | Choochymama |
| 13:00.16 | shurik | weasy to boot from knoppix and install prebuilt kernel rather than restore entire system |
| 13:00.22 | shining | ninereeds, maybe |
| 13:00.34 | Chooch | xshells> xterm? |
| 13:00.39 | simonrvn | yes |
| 13:00.48 | DwyaneWade | ninereeds: how large is Knoppix? 700 MB? |
| 13:00.56 | shining | yes |
| 13:00.58 | Chooch | how do I list processes? |
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| 13:01.09 | SlayerCE | Chooch: ps |
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| 13:01.12 | shining | top, ps aux |
| 13:01.14 | simonrvn | top, ps, pstree... |
| 13:01.16 | shurik | ps auxw |
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| 13:01.39 | simonrvn | Proc::ProcessTable ;p |
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| 13:02.07 | Chooch | which is best browser for pentium 2 350mhz with 32 ram? |
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| 13:02.19 | shurik | Chooch: firefox |
| 13:02.29 | ninereeds | kernel: physical 16383/16/63 - logical 19457/255/63 ---- grub: drive 0x80: C/H/S = 19457/255/63, The number of sectors = 312581808, /dev/hda - Partition num: 0, Filesystem type unknown, partition type 0x7 - Partition num: 5, Filesystem type unknown, partition type 0x83 - Partition num: 6, Filesystem type is ext2fs, partition type 0x83 - Partition num: 7, Filesystem type unknown, partition type 0xb |
| 13:02.31 | shurik | opera |
| 13:02.32 | shining | Chooch, opera I heard |
| 13:02.42 | Chooch | isn't firefox heavy? |
| 13:02.48 | shurik | no no |
| 13:02.51 | Chooch | I had something but I forgot the name |
| 13:03.01 | ninereeds | DwyaneWade, 700 mb iso, 1.7 gb on the file system (it's compressed) |
| 13:03.04 | doub | Chooch: w3m |
| 13:03.04 | shining | Chooch, just try both |
| 13:03.20 | Chooch | i had a lightweight something,came with damn small linux |
| 13:03.26 | llama32 | Chooch: seriously opera is a lot faster than the others, i used to use it on my 200mhz/64mb box |
| 13:03.27 | jm_ | ninereeds: wait, what the he;; is partition type 0x7 - Partition num: 5? |
| 13:03.29 | SlayerCE | Chooch: the browser that suits your needs best is the best one to use. |
| 13:03.29 | shining | dillo |
| 13:03.39 | DwyaneWade | ninereeds: so why did that simple command destroy the mbr? it seems all OK... |
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| 13:03.48 | Chooch | how's dillo? |
| 13:03.49 | shurik | opera costs $$ |
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| 13:03.54 | dam__ | hi |
| 13:03.54 | doub | SlayerCE: lapalice would'nt have said that bettter |
| 13:03.56 | shining | Chooch, small |
| 13:04.00 | simonrvn | SlayerCE: downgraded? |
| 13:04.03 | nagual | opera doesnt cost money. unless you really cant stand the banners |
| 13:04.09 | ninereeds | DwyaneWade, if i only knew that.. It Should Not Happen! |
| 13:04.22 | doub | nagual: can you" |
| 13:04.27 | Chooch | i love firefox but isn't dillo better because it's lighter than firefox? |
| 13:04.28 | doub | s/"/? |
| 13:04.31 | SlayerCE | simonrvn: i'm a smaller, lighter version of myself |
| 13:04.36 | shining | Chooch, omg |
| 13:04.36 | ninereeds | jm_, ' - ' is the delimiter for newline |
| 13:04.36 | simonrvn | aah |
| 13:04.39 | SlayerCE | simonm: "funsized" one might say |
| 13:04.47 | Chooch | why omg?? |
| 13:04.48 | simonrvn | heh |
| 13:04.54 | shining | Chooch, use links then |
| 13:04.57 | doub | Chooch: depends on your uses and needs |
| 13:05.09 | shurik | how are you going to watch pr0n with links? |
| 13:05.14 | Chooch | I want it be fastest though i got 32 ram |
| 13:05.18 | shurik | unacceptable |
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| 13:05.21 | shining | Chooch, light means minimal too |
| 13:05.23 | doub | Chooch: "better" doesn't make sense by itself |
| 13:05.23 | simonrvn | Scrape: might want to install luma. really nice. has a schema browser |
| 13:05.28 | ninereeds | jm_, kernel: physical 16383/16/63 - logical 19457/255/63 ---- grub: drive 0x80: C/H/S = 19457/255/63, The number of sectors = 312581808, /dev/hda - Partition num: 0, Filesystem type unknown, partition type 0x7 - Partition num: 5, Filesystem type unknown, partition type 0x83 - Partition num: 6, Filesystem type is ext2fs, partition type 0x83 - Partition num: 7, Filesystem type unknown, partition type 0xb |
| 13:05.31 | Chooch | got ya.. |
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| 13:05.37 | jm_ | ninereeds: I figured that, but I still don't understand the (hd0,6) command you mentioned earlier |
| 13:05.47 | Chooch | I'll try firefox. if it'll be slow i'll try links or dillo |
| 13:05.56 | shining | Chooch, less features, harder to use... but these things are pretty subjective |
| 13:06.13 | ninereeds | jm_, well, i need to initate my partittion which contains /boot -- that is hd0,6 |
| 13:06.17 | DoktorTomoe | hi ... i switched dpkgconmfig to kde output ... this somehow was not a good idea ... how can I switch it back to this blue text-based screen? |
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| 13:06.23 | doub | Chooch: w3m is good, just between links and dillo (it's a text browser, but can display images, too) |
| 13:06.23 | ninereeds | or hda6, depending on who you ask ;) |
| 13:06.25 | jm_ | ninereeds: ok, so specify that as root in GRUB |
| 13:06.29 | shurik | I read on slashdot that fiorefox recently hit 50 mln downloads |
| 13:06.33 | jm_ | no that's not hda6 |
| 13:06.34 | simonrvn | DoktorTomoe: change it to 'dialog' |
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| 13:06.42 | Chooch | 10x man. how do i install firefox with apt-get? |
| 13:06.42 | shurik | that's a popular software |
| 13:06.44 | shining | Chooch, and dillo, opera are gui. w3m and links arent |
| 13:06.48 | Chooch | apt-get install firefox won't work |
| 13:06.49 | DoktorTomoe | simonrvn: I would, if I only knew how ;) |
| 13:06.53 | hexxeh|work | Chooch, mozilla-firefox package |
| 13:06.58 | simonrvn | dpkg-reconfigure debconf |
| 13:06.59 | shining | Chooch, thats what apt-cache search is for |
| 13:07.09 | Chooch | gr8 |
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| 13:07.18 | Chooch | got ya |
| 13:07.19 | Chooch | 10x |
| 13:07.37 | DoktorTomoe | simonrvn: Thanks :) |
| 13:07.42 | simonrvn | np |
| 13:07.58 | ninereeds | jm_, i did. i could boot, too. but it still a) won't install on my hda, works only from cd b) it's bad style to keep a broken partition table, that only invites rouble |
| 13:08.02 | shining | what an ugly way to write thanks :p |
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| 13:08.16 | Chooch | what's the combination for changing keyboard language? |
| 13:08.38 | shurik | whatever you configure it to be |
| 13:08.49 | doub | ninereeds: the good side being, with rouble you can buy some good russian vodka |
| 13:08.56 | Chooch | what's the default? |
| 13:08.59 | shining | Chooch, man, rtfm |
| 13:09.22 | jm_ | ninereeds: and you're positive your hda5 partition has a file system that's readable by GRUB? |
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| 13:09.59 | shurik | Chooch: Option "XkbOptions" "grp:caps_toggle,grp_led:num" for Caps Lock |
| 13:10.00 | DoktorTomoe | simonrvn: Sorry to bug you again ... somehow it doesn't work out |
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| 13:10.15 | DoktorTomoe | "dpkg-reconfigure: cannot connect to X server :0.0" |
| 13:10.18 | simonrvn | @vagueness |
| 13:10.19 | ravenbird | VAGUENESS MAKES THE BABY BADGERS CRY! |
| 13:10.24 | simonrvn | so run x |
| 13:10.41 | DoktorTomoe | Well, I do, and root is xhosted |
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| 13:10.50 | kombi | are changes in /etc/group reflected immediately? |
| 13:11.02 | kombi | tout de suite? |
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| 13:11.14 | mwilson | kombi: Of course not. |
| 13:11.16 | doub | DoktorTomoe: dpkg-reconfigure -fdialog debconf |
| 13:11.31 | kombi | mwilson: when are they? |
| 13:11.39 | shining | kombi, log out |
| 13:11.43 | ninereeds | jm_, my hda5 is not in use, only 40 mb in size and quite possibly completely broken. the only of concern is hda_6_ |
| 13:11.49 | juanmals | ls |
| 13:11.49 | DoktorTomoe | doub: thanks: This did it :) |
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| 13:11.53 | kombi | shining: thanks! |
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| 13:12.01 | gregj | Cannot resolve host name 64.34.101.424 --- exiting! |
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| 13:12.09 | gregj | why this debian doesn't like to start apache-ssl ? |
| 13:12.11 | \Falkor | sup guys. I'm having problems with scp on my debian box. I can connect and log into it with ssh, but when I try to copy a file from it with scp, it just keeps waiting. auth.log says "subsystem request for sftp", then nothing. Any suggestions? |
| 13:12.12 | jm_ | ninereeds: sorry I meant hda6 ;) |
| 13:12.41 | ninereeds | jm_, i am quite sure it can not be read by grub. it is ext3, though |
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| 13:13.05 | ninereeds | jm_, which, tbh, only servers to make me more mad |
| 13:13.18 | jm_ | ninereeds: ok then I am almost certain it would have to be debugged at low level in GRUB |
| 13:13.29 | ninereeds | and again, can i please have the complete menu.lst of someone with both winodws and linux in /query? |
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| 13:13.56 | shining | ninereeds, you don't want to reinstall ? |
| 13:14.00 | jm_ | ninereeds: info grub -> Booting -> OS specific notes |
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| 13:15.00 | ninereeds | shining, i have reinstalled grub about 20 times |
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| 13:15.17 | ninereeds | shining, i will now proceed top reinstall the complete pc, i guess |
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| 13:15.55 | nagual | why waste a perfectly good opportunity to learn something |
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| 13:16.15 | ninereeds | jm_, thanks, i know the complete sequence by heart. what i wanted to know is how the delimiter between linux & windows is done |
| 13:16.32 | ninereeds | jm_, i did not find cat in the info page nor did ii get it to work by hand |
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| 13:17.00 | ninereeds | jm_, but then, i am high on coffee, had almost no sleep and am generally irritated, so i am probably just blind ;) |
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| 13:18.25 | mosty | does sarge get security fixes at the same time as woody now? |
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| 13:18.59 | abrocadabro | <PROTECTED> |
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| 13:19.04 | Dabian | mosty: Sarge has no security. |
| 13:19.05 | jc-denton | anybody here who runs processing on debian? |
| 13:19.08 | drac | Dabian: Lies. |
| 13:19.11 | jm_ | ninereeds: title |
| 13:19.16 | hexxeh|work | Dabian, sarge security is live. |
| 13:19.17 | drac | Dabian: Sarge has Security up now, look at /topic. |
| 13:19.18 | simonrvn | Dabian: /topic |
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| 13:19.26 | Dabian | Sorry |
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| 13:19.30 | Dabian | I didn't know it. |
| 13:19.35 | ninereeds | jm_, oh, they only title it? crude hack, that ;) |
| 13:19.41 | Dabian | Thats new |
| 13:19.42 | ircdevil | sup |
| 13:19.46 | simonrvn | you would have if you had read the /topic ;p |
| 13:19.47 | hexxeh|work | Dabian, in theory, sarge gets released in less than a month |
| 13:19.59 | Dabian | hexxeh|work: Wow .. what a nice christmas present! |
| 13:20.05 | ircdevil | i want to setup greylisting. where to read? |
| 13:20.24 | mosty | dabian: according to the /topic, sarge has security now |
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| 13:20.42 | Dabian | mosty: Yeah . .I was obsolete. SOrry. |
| 13:20.48 | bob2 | ircdevil: install postgrey |
| 13:20.57 | hexxeh|work | when's etch getting security updates then? =] |
| 13:21.16 | Dabian | That probably means that Sarge will stick with the dead old tomcat4 |
| 13:21.33 | Dabian | Which again means that I should consider another distribution of GNU/Linux. |
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| 13:22.13 | addNtoX | hi folks |
| 13:22.17 | ircdevil | !postgrey |
| 13:22.20 | \Falkor_ | good job apt :) |
| 13:22.26 | ircdevil | whats with the stupid bots? |
| 13:22.27 | hexxeh|work | root root root |
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| 13:22.39 | Dabian | [Thom]: You idiot! You shouldn't IRC as root! |
| 13:22.42 | ircdevil | @lart dpkg |
| 13:22.51 | \Falkor_ | ircdevil: don't mess with apt, he's our pet.. and he bites ;) |
| 13:23.11 | Dabian | Thanks :) |
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| 13:24.09 | imachine^ | uh |
| 13:24.11 | imachine^ | hey |
| 13:24.16 | Dabian | uh .. hey |
| 13:24.19 | \Falkor_ | !hi |
| 13:24.19 | dpkg | hello, \falkor_ |
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| 13:24.28 | Dabian | !hi imachine^ |
| 13:24.29 | dpkg | Many greetings, imachine^, most strange traveller, to this IRCdom of plenty. |
| 13:24.33 | imachine^ | how can i get fonts to get reconfigured.? |
| 13:24.35 | \Falkor_ | ugf, doesn't work anymore .. |
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| 13:24.44 | \Falkor_ | haha |
| 13:24.49 | Dabian | \Falkor_: apt-get --purge remove ugf |
| 13:24.50 | Akrame | <PROTECTED> |
| 13:24.51 | Akrame | ? |
| 13:24.54 | Akrame | what does it mean |
| 13:25.00 | \Falkor_ | done :) |
| 13:25.05 | Dabian | Akrame: Comon, be brave - make a guess? |
| 13:25.06 | hexxeh|work | Akrame, it means sarge has frozen, and that security is now up |
| 13:25.12 | imachine^ | dpkg-reconfigure... what was it? and for further reference in the future, how can i see all possible to dpk-reconfigure ? |
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| 13:25.24 | Dabian | \Falkor_: :) |
| 13:25.48 | Dabian | hexxeh|work: You spoiler you ... ;-) |
| 13:26.23 | \Falkor_ | I posted something there just before I timed out. Did it ever get anywhere? It seems that when I write something I need help with, the lag jsut rockets :p |
| 13:26.29 | Akrame | hexxeh|work you didn't help me .. |
| 13:26.31 | simonrvn | * ishino has quit ("Black Holes were invented when God divided by zero") |
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| 13:26.37 | simonrvn | now that's creative |
| 13:26.41 | chealer | imachine^: try configure-debian |
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| 13:27.17 | hexxeh|work | Akrame, sarge has frozen, i.e. all package versions are fixed (only bugfixes allowed now). security is now up, i.e. the security update serveres are ready to cope with sarge security updates |
| 13:27.30 | hexxeh|work | Akrame, for reference, the release date is provisiolanny set for may 30th |
| 13:27.46 | simonrvn | wow, quite the typo |
| 13:27.51 | streuner | What's the URL again in debian-devel? Maybe that help him more... |
| 13:27.53 | Akrame | Ok |
| 13:27.55 | Akrame | thank you |
| 13:27.58 | hexxeh|work | !wwsr |
| 13:27.58 | dpkg | Sarge will release WIR; SIYH. The current estimate is that it will be released around May 30th. Latest release update: http://people.debian.org/~terpstra/message/20050503.194632.8f44e65b.en.html and ask me about <sarge pool>, <wir>, <siyh>, <sarge guess> and <sing sarge>. Sarge takes too long? ask me about <vancouver> |
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| 13:28.16 | simonrvn | http://tinyurl.com/a4mft |
| 13:28.28 | chealer | it's not a temporary date, it's an estimation |
| 13:28.37 | simonrvn | /topic #debianppc ;p |
| 13:28.42 | imachine^ | aha. debconf ;] |
| 13:29.01 | streuner | Akrame: read what simonrvn pasted (URL) |
| 13:29.02 | batman | !dpkg what year |
| 13:29.02 | dpkg | i heard year is either a siderealyear (365.25636d, the time for the Earth to orbit the Sun, by the stars), an anomalistic year (365.2596d, the time between successive parhelion passages of the Earth), or a tropical year (365.242198781d, or the mean interval between vernal equinoxes) |
| 13:29.29 | Akrame | l |
| 13:29.30 | Akrame | k |
| 13:29.31 | Akrame | ok |
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| 13:30.22 | nagual | whats a vernal equinox? |
| 13:30.26 | jetscreamer | i've told you and told you, sarge will be released by dec 2006 |
| 13:30.34 | jetscreamer | .dict vernal |
| 13:30.38 | jetscreamer | oops |
| 13:30.42 | jetscreamer | !dict vernal |
| 13:30.44 | dpkg | Dictionary 'vernal' (3): 2. Fig.: Belonging to youth, the spring of life. ;; When after the long vernal day of life. --Thomson. ;; Vernal \Ver"nal\, a. [L. vernalis, fr. vernus vernal, ver spring; akin to Gr. ?, Skr. vasanta, Icel. v[=a]r, and E. Easter, east.] 1. Of or pertaining to the spring; appearing in the spring; as, vernal bloom.. |
| 13:30.55 | jetscreamer | !dict equinox |
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| 13:30.56 | dpkg | Dictionary 'equinox' (1 of 2): Equinox \E"qui*nox\, n. [OE. equinoxium, equenoxium, L. aequinoctium; aequus equal + nox, noctis, night: cf. F. ['e]quinoxe. See Equal, and Night.] 1. The time when the sun enters one of the equinoctial points, that is, about March 21 and September 22. See Autumnal equinox, Vernal equinox, under Autumnal and Vernal.. |
| 13:31.03 | Akrame | thanks sluts ; |
| 13:31.05 | Akrame | ;) |
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| 13:31.41 | nagual | i still dont understand it |
| 13:31.59 | chealer | jetscreamer: you must be right. the RC bugs count is up from the freeze date and a BSP is supposed to be happening |
| 13:32.02 | nagual | that about the time of daytime savings? |
| 13:32.03 | Sharcho | I'm using X -query to connect to the X server from another machine. Normally everything is quite snappy, but some things (e.g. Acrobat Reader 7.0 toolbars or OpenOffice 2.0 toolbars take about 10 seconds to be painted. Any ideas what could cause it? |
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| 13:33.36 | jetscreamer | seriously, i'd be looking at acrobat and oo |
| 13:33.40 | jetscreamer | but no idea |
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| 13:33.49 | chealer | although I didn't find a list of non-security sarge bugs like the release update took into account for RC bugs numbers |
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| 13:34.37 | doub | jetscreamer: 2004? |
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| 13:35.06 | jetscreamer | i was so sure back in the summer or so that surely sarge would be released by 2005, it was such a rediculously far away date |
| 13:35.30 | chealer | hehe, I reread one release update |
| 13:35.34 | jetscreamer | err yeah 2004 |
| 13:36.06 | jetscreamer | ridiculous even |
| 13:36.38 | chealer | http://lists.debian.org/debian-devel-announce/2004/08/msg00001.html is about as funny in RC bugs timeline than the latest update's first paragraph |
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| 13:38.06 | chealer | 3 August 2004 ~300 RC bugs |
| 13:38.06 | chealer | 8 August 2004 ~200 RC bugs |
| 13:38.07 | doub | just a stupid question, what was the main reason to begin the freeze? |
| 13:38.27 | chealer | 100 drop in RC bugs has been more a matter of 3 months work than 5 days |
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| 13:38.41 | mwilson | Uh, because without a freeze, you can't have a release? |
| 13:38.44 | doub | it sounds like to me that it's just a decision like : "ok guys, now we MUST freeze" than anything else |
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| 13:38.59 | valdyn | probably that the update queue works now |
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| 13:39.47 | doub | (see RFC 2119 for a definition of MUST) |
| 13:41.44 | stew | doub: the reason was that we finally got a new installer ready + the autobuilders are caught up + the security infastructure was ready for sarge |
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| 13:43.34 | helix | go sarge go |
| 13:43.43 | jetscreamer | you go girl |
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| 13:44.18 | doub | stew: so part of the reason for such a long time is that much effort was put into sarge, compared to others, organization-wise, if i get it correctly? |
| 13:45.14 | helix | or maybe everyone put it off so they could avoid the SC changes as long as possible |
| 13:45.26 | stew | doub: there are many factors, one big one is that debian releases on 11 architectures |
| 13:45.52 | doub | stew: yes, but it's also true for previous releases, which didn't take that long, AFAIK |
| 13:46.40 | chealer | it was true for woody, but not others I think |
| 13:46.42 | stew | doub: potato -> woody was 2 years, the difference this time was probably the installer |
| 13:46.59 | stew | before woody i believe there were fewer arches |
| 13:47.34 | stew | helix: you would have a hard time convincing me that the d-i team and vorlon and people like that were thinking about the SC changes |
| 13:47.34 | chealer | ia-64, mips, hppa and s390 were new in woody |
| 13:47.56 | chealer | woody already took longer than the previous releases |
| 13:47.59 | helix | it was a joke |
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| 13:48.30 | chealer | sarge had the SC saga, doesn't that explain some of the time it took? |
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| 13:48.51 | chealer | I'm not talkingn about the time between (partial) freeze and actual release |
| 13:48.56 | sciboy | Wierd. |
| 13:49.04 | helix | weird too |
| 13:49.07 | sciboy | My print manager says my printer is offline. |
| 13:49.08 | jetscreamer | woody had old school coders, we have the pepsi generation |
| 13:49.10 | sciboy | Print jobs don't pass through to it. |
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| 13:49.23 | sciboy | But dmesg shows that the device is there. |
| 13:49.42 | helix | chealer: well... GRs are a little time consuming, but I don't think it postponed the release that much |
| 13:49.43 | doub | helix: aren't the SC changes voted by 3/4 of the DDs ? |
| 13:49.46 | jetscreamer | sc saga? |
| 13:49.48 | helix | like, maybe a couple weeks tops |
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| 13:49.52 | jetscreamer | what is sc |
| 13:49.54 | helix | doub: I don't remember the numbers |
| 13:49.57 | stew | !sc |
| 13:49.57 | dpkg | methinks sc is the "Debian Social Contract": http://www.debian.org/social_contract also see <dfsg> |
| 13:49.58 | doub | !sc |
| 13:50.02 | jetscreamer | ahh |
| 13:50.07 | sciboy | =/ |
| 13:50.31 | paulswm | Hah, and I thought sc was South Carolina |
| 13:50.50 | doub | helix: anyway, it's more than 1/2 IIRC, that would be quite inconsistent for those to have voted the change and then prevent it from happening |
| 13:51.01 | jetscreamer | sciboy: do you have the proper .ppd loaded or whatever? what printing system? what printer? what driver are you using? got any more info that might help, or do we have to send you to dpkg the dentist |
| 13:51.16 | jetscreamer | !dentist |
| 13:51.17 | helix | I wonder why no one realized I was joking |
| 13:51.39 | asg | helix: sense of humor generally ends on Wednesday nights |
| 13:51.44 | helix | aha |
| 13:51.46 | jetscreamer | !today |
| 13:51.46 | dpkg | hmm... today is the first day of the rest of your ......ackkkkk (*PLONK*). Hey, anyone know a good mortician? |
| 13:51.54 | ircdevil | installing the backport of postgray wants to remove apache ? why ? |
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| 13:52.03 | helix | I can' keep track of the day past about tuesday though |
| 13:52.06 | sciboy | jetscreamer: I am using CUPS with TurboPrint drivers, cups shows this error in the printer management -> "Unable to open USB device "usb://Canon/i320": No such device" |
| 13:52.08 | helix | can't, that is |
| 13:52.18 | asg | helix: especially this week, that's for sure. |
| 13:52.22 | doub | helix: maybe because we're a little bored. at least am i *really* bored |
| 13:52.24 | chealer | don't noobify everyone :) |
| 13:52.26 | helix | is this week special? |
| 13:52.30 | jetscreamer | do you have the usb printing modules loaded (if this is 2.6) |
| 13:52.35 | asg | helix: just been a long one for me |
| 13:52.38 | helix | doub: you need hobbies |
| 13:52.44 | jetscreamer | speaking of, is this 2.6 or what |
| 13:52.53 | helix | asg: well, this week I don't get paid, so it's not as good as next week or last week |
| 13:52.55 | paulswm | Long for me to, lots of Oracle SP dev |
| 13:52.58 | paulswm | too |
| 13:53.07 | sciboy | jetscreamer: "drivers/usb/class/usblp.c: usblp0: USB Bidirectional printer dev 6 if 0 alt 0 proto 2 vid 0x04A9 pid 0x107B" |
| 13:53.08 | jetscreamer | sp? |
| 13:53.14 | sciboy | jetscreamer: I would assume so =P |
| 13:53.16 | paulswm | Stored Procedure |
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| 13:53.25 | jetscreamer | ah more mysteries |
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| 13:53.34 | asg | helix: well, I'm salaried but I don't get re-imbursed for the 40+ hours I've done since Tuesday ;) |
| 13:53.45 | helix | asg: yes, I'm salaried too |
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| 13:53.59 | paulswm | for my employer also, everything after 40 is free, and weeks are *never* 40 |
| 13:54.50 | doub | helix: wooow, i'm impressed. guessing my main problem in such a short time |
| 13:54.56 | jetscreamer | sciboy: do you have the .ppl or whatever it is loaded also? did it work before and just stopped working? |
| 13:55.00 | jetscreamer | .ppd |
| 13:55.04 | helix | doub: heh :) |
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| 13:55.16 | helix | hmm, neither of my bosses is here today |
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| 13:55.48 | xgabo | good morning |
| 13:55.53 | asg | helix: time to break out the twister then |
| 13:56.04 | xgabo | somebody has installed debian on perfoma 6200 ? |
| 13:56.38 | helix | twister? |
| 13:56.38 | jetscreamer | probably, but no idea |
| 13:56.40 | sciboy | jetscreamer: No idea what a ppd is and i am only just trying to get it working. |
| 13:56.43 | drac | xgabo: you tell us, once you looked into google. |
| 13:56.50 | jetscreamer | sciboy: it's kinda like a driver |
| 13:56.55 | mosty | xgabo, the probably was somebody stupid enough, yes |
| 13:57.15 | asg | helix: right foot green! |
| 13:57.25 | helix | oh, that twister |
| 13:57.29 | xgabo | drac, yess but i dont know if was woody or potato, it's clear |
| 13:57.36 | helix | I was always good at that game |
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| 13:57.55 | asg | helix: I was till I got old |
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| 13:58.39 | sciboy | jetscreamer: Well it seems to think the USB Printer isn't there =/ |
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| 13:59.34 | streuner | sciboy: what does 'lsusb' say? |
| 13:59.49 | rookie___^ | hi all |
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| 14:00.09 | dusselmann_ | anybody from germany on? |
| 14:00.16 | streuner | !de |
| 14:00.16 | dpkg | extra, extra, read all about it, de is deutschsprachige hilfe bekommt ihr in #debian.de - aber aufpassen, die sind manchmal ziemlich unfreundlich. german speaking users please go to #debian.de - but beware, they're pretty unfriendly sometimes... |
| 14:00.17 | ircdevil | why whould installing a backport require all sorts of things to be removed? eg. apache, logrotate, mailx, mutt, postfix etc. |
| 14:00.17 | sciboy | streuner: Bus 001 Device 007: ID 04a9:107b Canon, Inc. |
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| 14:00.47 | rookie___^ | i had a sid system on my notebook, but with some reason i reinstalled the base system with sarge netinstall iso |
| 14:00.53 | jetscreamer | http://www.linuxprinting.org/printer_list.cgi?make=Canon |
| 14:01.05 | rookie___^ | before formatting the old system |
| 14:01.22 | mosty | ircdevil, perhaps the backport depends on newer version of those packages? |
| 14:01.24 | rookie___^ | i copied /etc/apt and /var/cache/apt dirs to another partition |
| 14:01.30 | jetscreamer | what model is it |
| 14:01.34 | jetscreamer | i320?? |
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| 14:01.57 | ircdevil | mosty: backports are supposed to be build against the latest stable version of debian, not? |
| 14:02.06 | rookie___^ | i want to install my debian from these packages (i have a slow internet connection) |
| 14:02.07 | jetscreamer | ah those non-free turbo print drivers? |
| 14:02.09 | sciboy | jetscreamer: Yep, got the driver from TurboPrint. |
| 14:02.17 | rookie___^ | how can i do it? |
| 14:02.18 | sciboy | Yep. |
| 14:02.31 | jetscreamer | :( |
| 14:02.37 | VivekVC | Where can i get a URL with a list of apt mirrors so that i can select one which is nearer to me just a list of mirrors will do. I do not want to do an apt net select. Thanks in advance. |
| 14:02.40 | mosty | ircdevil, look at the deps/conflicts in the package, you should be able to figure it out |
| 14:02.57 | mosty | ircdevil, or just dpkg -i it, and see the errors dpkg gives |
| 14:03.02 | sciboy | jetscreamer: What has me worried is how its not even being listed under "USB Printer #1" Should it show "USB Printer #1 (Canon)" or something? |
| 14:03.10 | varsis | weird, getting a bit of a problem atm with debian sid amd64 (pure), looks like http://debian-amd64.alioth.debian.org/ has changed somehow (404 for their main page) and now i'm getting 404's on my apt-get update (though i haven't changed my sources.list). Anyone happen to know what's going on? |
| 14:03.12 | VivekVC | ,dpkg apt mirrors |
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| 14:03.22 | Phated | VivekVC: There's one on debian.org somewhere, or use apt-setup. |
| 14:03.22 | varsis | i also have my sources.list setup for ftp.de.debian.org |
| 14:03.24 | ircdevil | mosty: it is eviden that the deps are fucked. but then the package should never have been at backports.org |
| 14:03.27 | sciboy | jetscreamer: Talking about CUPS web interface when setting up a printer =P |
| 14:03.47 | mosty | ircdevil, so pinpoint the broken dep, and report it |
| 14:03.57 | varsis | this problem started about... an hour or so ago i think |
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| 14:04.17 | VivekVC | Phated: Thanks |
| 14:04.24 | nottu | in what package it's the "tc" utility for hbq ? |
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| 14:05.16 | ircdevil | mosty: hmmm prolly bloody hard to report a bug to backports. lemme check |
| 14:06.08 | mosty | ircdevil, as a fallback you could just email the maintainer |
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| 14:06.35 | Onin | gooday to all, im having problem with apt-get install kdm. some pls help me. |
| 14:06.35 | Onin | i've install kde from apt-get install x-window-system kde |
| 14:06.35 | Onin | and then installed apt-get install kdm. |
| 14:06.35 | Onin | after i log in in kdm, it doesn't really start the whole kde.. what can i do to fix my kde? |
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| 14:07.22 | varsis | ah hmm, i think i know what's going on... perhaps. |
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| 14:07.52 | nottu | anyone knows what debian pkg i have to install to have tc ? |
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| 14:08.13 | stew | nottu: iproute or iproute2 depending on woody or sarge |
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| 14:08.39 | jetscreamer | sciboy: all i can suggest is to look over (ooops long break in typing) the usb printing modules, me, i use modconf. |
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| 14:08.59 | jetscreamer | but sciboy, from googling, you're not alone afaict |
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| 14:09.05 | sciboy | jetscreamer: I'll take a thorough look through them. |
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| 14:09.31 | Crasp | hello, i have a dvd here with a game and it is for both mac osx and win32, how can i mount it so that it mounts it as it would under win32 instead of showing the os x part? |
| 14:09.53 | tarzeau | has someone accelerated 3d on x? |
| 14:09.56 | kullanici | i'm downloading sage iso files but which iso file has kde and/or gnome ? |
| 14:10.00 | kullanici | sarge* |
| 14:10.11 | tarzeau | kullanici: who cares. install it from the network |
| 14:10.11 | streuner | sciboy: do you have cupsys-driver-gimpprint installed? |
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| 14:10.16 | Dabian | tarzeau: I had .. |
| 14:10.19 | sciboy | streuner: Yup. |
| 14:10.26 | tarzeau | Dabian: no more? |
| 14:10.28 | Dabian | tarzeau: With tainted kernel and so .. |
| 14:10.33 | tarzeau | Dabian: yeah that's fine |
| 14:10.41 | kullanici | tarzeau my bandwidth is lower and i want full cd |
| 14:10.44 | Dabian | tarzeau: Well .. I upgraded .. and now I have to fix it again. |
| 14:10.56 | tarzeau | kullanici: #debian.tr btw |
| 14:10.58 | Dabian | tarzeau: Thats a problem with tainted kernels, I guess. |
| 14:11.07 | tarzeau | Dabian: yeah they suck (nvidia) |
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| 14:11.22 | Dabian | tarzeau: Well .. their driver is fast. |
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| 14:11.34 | tarzeau | Dabian: their hardware is |
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| 14:12.01 | geemark | when compiling QEMU myself, I am unable to start anything - it loads ok and I get no error messages, but no X window appears on my screen - any ideas why? |
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| 14:12.44 | drac | yay for r200, and OSS drivers. |
| 14:12.53 | sciboy | jetscreamer: I'm curious, where would printer modules be listed in modconf? |
| 14:13.01 | jetscreamer | even the nsa has problems with that printer, and using sid also |
| 14:13.04 | tarzeau | sciboy: parallel port? |
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| 14:13.20 | jetscreamer | under the usb options... what kernel sciboy, all i know is 2.6 |
| 14:13.26 | streuner | sciboy: what does dpkg -l cupsys-driver-gimpprint | tail -1 say? |
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| 14:13.55 | sciboy | streuner: ii cupsys-driver- 4.2.7-10 Gimp-Print printer drivers for CUPS |
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| 14:14.05 | sciboy | streuner: I already said it was installed! =) |
| 14:14.18 | sciboy | jetscreamer: 2.6.11 Stock. |
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| 14:14.38 | Lee__ | where might I find a howto on setting up a local .deb repository for a collection of servers on a LAN? |
| 14:14.43 | jcuk | Anyone good at searching the net? infact pro? i need someone to find a file thats out there, not searchable by things like google and such |
| 14:14.48 | streuner | sciboy: did you try http://localhost:631 as well? |
| 14:15.04 | mosty | lee, a cache of other apt sources? |
| 14:15.07 | Lee__ | yup |
| 14:15.18 | mosty | lee: apt-proxy |
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| 14:15.24 | sciboy | streuner: I'm in there staring at this error. "Unable to open USB device "usb://Canon/i320": No such device" |
| 14:15.27 | Lee__ | neato. thanks. |
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| 14:15.29 | wooden | hi |
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| 14:15.35 | spike | hi there |
| 14:15.36 | wooden | how to overclock nvidia cards in linux? |
| 14:15.46 | wooden | can i overlock with the nvidia drivers like in windows? |
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| 14:15.48 | drac | wooden: apt-get install nvclock, google, man page, help. |
| 14:15.52 | streuner | sciboy: so try to set it up again with other parameters |
| 14:16.02 | sciboy | wooden: nvclock - Allows you to overclock your nVidia card under GNU/Linux |
| 14:16.02 | spike | how do you tell alsa to always use plug:dmix? |
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| 14:16.09 | eikke | hija |
| 14:16.12 | wooden | nvlock cant handle new/good cards |
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| 14:16.16 | Lee__ | spike: .asoundrc |
| 14:16.17 | spike | I can get mplayer and aplay to work at the same time specifying the dmix thing |
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| 14:16.21 | eikke | is it possible to remove a package without taking care of its dependencies? |
| 14:16.27 | sciboy | streuner: I am trying. |
| 14:16.40 | spike | Lee__: would you mind looking at this? http://amarok.kde.org/wiki/index.php/Setting_up_Dmix_for_ALSA |
| 14:16.47 | Crasp | does anybody know how i mount a cd that contains both joliet and mac content so that it shows the joliet part instead of the mac (apple) part? |
| 14:16.51 | spike | Lee__: googling everybody seems to use that config |
| 14:17.00 | doleyb | eikke: yes, that is very easy, and happens by default |
| 14:17.02 | spike | Lee__: I saved it as /etc/asound.conf, so it worked system-wide |
| 14:17.03 | Lee__ | cool, so use it. |
| 14:17.10 | eikke | doleyb: ??? |
| 14:17.13 | sciboy | streuner: But i think the problem is that it honestly cannot detect the printer anywhere. |
| 14:17.18 | doleyb | eikke: maybe you didn't mean dependencies, but dependents |
| 14:17.24 | eikke | we got sendmail on a system, but its completezly broken, so want to replace it with postfix |
| 14:17.25 | sciboy | streuner: Although dmesg shows that the kernel did. |
| 14:17.35 | eikke | but apt-get remove sendmail also wants to remove samba and whatever more |
| 14:17.37 | spike | Lee__: but it doesn't work |
| 14:17.39 | eikke | which needs to stay |
| 14:17.47 | eikke | we dont really care if samba is broken when sendmail is gone |
| 14:17.55 | eikke | just need to get a mailserver up and running asap |
| 14:17.55 | jcuk | Anyone good at searching the net? im looking for software which is a game server. Unavailable by searching with google and such |
| 14:17.56 | spike | Lee__: with that thing enabled, if I try aplay something.wav it doesn't work |
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| 14:18.31 | sciboy | Time for sleep -_- |
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| 14:18.37 | Lee__ | spike: I used the dmix/dplug docs on alsa-project.org |
| 14:18.43 | jetscreamer | jcuk: huh? |
| 14:19.00 | Lee__ | FWIW, ALSA is insanely difficult to configure in any advanced way. |
| 14:19.06 | doleyb | eikke: exim is probably easier to setup quickly than sendmail is |
| 14:19.06 | jetscreamer | games come with their own game servers |
| 14:19.10 | jetscreamer | sometimes |
| 14:19.12 | spike | Lee__: so what should I use? |
| 14:19.16 | spike | oss? |
| 14:19.18 | Lee__ | use ALSA |
| 14:19.23 | stew | eikke: what are you going to replace sendmail with? |
| 14:19.28 | Lee__ | but dedicate a day to configuring it. |
| 14:19.37 | spike | I started this morning :) |
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| 14:19.42 | Lee__ | or just live with one app making sound at one time |
| 14:19.52 | eikke | postfix |
| 14:19.57 | stew | eikke: apt-get remove sendmail postfix+ |
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| 14:20.15 | stew | eikke: that will remove one and install the other so that the MTA dependency doesn't cause it to remove other stuff |
| 14:20.15 | eikke | stew: I'll try :) |
| 14:20.30 | Ryukim | salut |
| 14:20.33 | spike | Lee__: ok, tnx |
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| 14:20.43 | stew | apt-get install postfix sendmail- does the same thing fwiw |
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| 14:20.52 | Ryukim | yaquelqu un ki parle francais |
| 14:20.54 | Qerub | Does Debian's X have support for accessing mice through the evdev "layer"? |
| 14:21.08 | jcuk | jetscreamer : They stopped distributing this game server with the game quite some time ago |
| 14:21.12 | stew | !fr |
| 14:21.12 | dpkg | Les personnes qui parlent francais et qui ont besoin d'une aide a propos de Debian peuvent venir sur #debian-fr - People speaking french and in need of support for debian, please join #debian-fr |
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| 14:21.22 | Ryukim | merci |
| 14:21.28 | stew | de rein |
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| 14:21.39 | stew | err rien |
| 14:21.44 | jcuk | jetscreamer they still use this game server to host the game but much more updated which is on an ftp site, but there are older versions of the server available, somewhere |
| 14:21.52 | doleyb | jcuk: the game is called who? |
| 14:22.00 | jcuk | hostilespace, |
| 14:22.03 | jcuk | :P |
| 14:22.16 | eikke | stew: thanks a million |
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| 14:22.47 | jcuk | i want the server to create maps for the hostilespace, and more or less to play around with when the current hs is down |
| 14:22.57 | doleyb | haha, hostilespace.com won't allow linux browsers |
| 14:22.58 | stew | eikke: you're welcome |
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| 14:23.07 | jcuk | yeah u need IE |
| 14:23.09 | jcuk | :S |
| 14:23.22 | Lee__ | cedega has an ActiveX component for Firefox |
| 14:23.24 | stew | doleyb: thats, ummm, hostile of them |
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| 14:23.38 | stromax | hi there |
| 14:23.39 | Lee__ | that might help |
| 14:23.54 | stromax | i was wondering if there's a os x like zoom bar for gnome |
| 14:24.00 | jcuk | Can you download it from the cegeda site lee? |
| 14:24.04 | stromax | i know there is one for kde... called tuxbar or sth |
| 14:24.06 | stromax | any ideas? |
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| 14:24.14 | Lee__ | jcuk: it's $5 a month for a subscription to updates |
| 14:24.20 | jcuk | ah |
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| 14:24.37 | Lee__ | it's well worth it. they also package WineX quite well. |
| 14:24.42 | jcuk | by the way i know linux hates ati cards. How does cegega handle them though? |
| 14:24.59 | jcuk | ive seen half life 2 etc played on cedega |
| 14:25.13 | Lee__ | jcuk: I haven't got it to work with a radeon 9000. an nvidia quadro was super simple though. |
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| 14:25.23 | drac | jcuk: No it doesn't. Only newer than 9200. |
| 14:25.28 | coywolf | how to play .au file? |
| 14:25.28 | Lee__ | I'm sure it's possible, just not exactly "plug and play" |
| 14:25.30 | jcuk | ive got a radeon 9600XT |
| 14:25.30 | coywolf | !.au |
| 14:25.30 | dpkg | i guess .au is australia, or the Sun Audio format iirc |
| 14:25.40 | Lee__ | coywolf: sox |
| 14:25.49 | drac | Lee__: You card is supported by OSS drivers. |
| 14:26.00 | coywolf | Lee__, thanks |
| 14:26.06 | Lee__ | drac: not the TV output |
| 14:26.14 | drac | Lee__: Yes it is, gatos.sf.net |
| 14:26.21 | Lee__ | gatos...ha! crap! |
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| 14:27.02 | Lee__ | I'm not interested in recompiling Xfree |
| 14:27.04 | raf256 | why fucking krusader is so slow in internet connetions to SFTP servers |
| 14:27.14 | raf256 | !gentoosmite fucking krusader file manager |
| 14:27.38 | doleyb | jcuk: cedega is with nvidia, not ati. if linux can't use it good, cedega can't either. |
| 14:27.58 | Lee__ | does krusader come with a special infidel smiting program? |
| 14:28.07 | coywolf | free-software-song sounds silly |
| 14:28.16 | jetscreamer | yes, and anti-allyourbase widgets too |
| 14:28.17 | nottu | i get errors like this when i do make menuconfig on kernel-source-2.6.8 scripts/basic/fixdep.c:97:23: sys/types.h: No such file or directory |
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| 14:28.22 | raf256 | Lee__: apt-cache search for some "allah akbar" or "fuck usa" I quess |
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| 14:29.03 | Lee__ | raf256: o, I thought it was a christian krusader :) |
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| 14:29.32 | nottu | i get errors like this when i do make menuconfig on kernel-source-2.6.8 scripts/basic/fixdep.c:97:23: sys/types.h: No such file or directory ? |
| 14:29.51 | Lee__ | nottu: we heard you the first time. |
| 14:29.52 | drac | !b-e nottu |
| 14:29.53 | dpkg | nottu: Sounds like you need to install build-essential. |
| 14:30.10 | jetscreamer | christ-ians go on crusades, muslims go on jihads? |
| 14:30.11 | drac | and libncurses5-dev |
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| 14:30.30 | Lee__ | jetscreamer: bingo! |
| 14:30.44 | Lee__ | nottu: you sure you want to recompile your kernel? |
| 14:30.56 | Exerd_ | drac: why dont you answer me on msn? |
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| 14:31.12 | Lee__ | !tell nottu about make-kpkg |
| 14:31.13 | jetscreamer | everybody wants to compile a kernel, you have to to be 1337 |
| 14:31.30 | Lee__ | that's so 1997 |
| 14:31.45 | jetscreamer | and that's so 'from some movie' |
| 14:31.49 | Lee__ | nobody compiles anymore unless it's for special hardware support or embedded |
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| 14:32.29 | ircdevil | !aybabtu |
| 14:32.29 | dpkg | aybabtu is probably ALL YOUR BASE ARE BELONG TO US!, or all your beer are belong to us |
| 14:32.30 | petemc | i think some people miss the point - people start using linux because they want to tinker, get a look under the hood so to speak - compiling a kernel is part of that |
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| 14:32.50 | Plouj | is it possible to install debian without whiping my one and only partition? |
| 14:32.51 | Lee__ | and so is fucking up and dealing with it. |
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| 14:32.52 | jetscreamer | !petemc++ |
| 14:33.02 | petemc | Lee__: if you dont want to help, dont |
| 14:33.07 | Lee__ | Plouj: you don't have to whip it, no. |
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| 14:33.21 | Plouj | could I like store everything in something like /backup and just skip the formatting process in deb installation? |
| 14:33.36 | Lee__ | yes, you can back up your data. |
| 14:33.40 | jetscreamer | Plouj: you could resize the partition, maybe. or back up the data, and repartition. or, just try a livecd to start. |
| 14:33.43 | Plouj | I want to move my gentoo server to debian :) |
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| 14:33.55 | Plouj | jetscreamer: I really don't want to fuxor with partitions |
| 14:33.59 | jetscreamer | oh you don't have to redo a linux partition |
| 14:34.03 | Lee__ | Plouj: back up the non-system data and install Debian |
| 14:34.07 | streuner | Plouj: /msg dpkg d-i |
| 14:34.08 | jetscreamer | i thought it was ntfs or something |
| 14:34.22 | Plouj | jetscreamer: nah :) |
| 14:34.30 | Lee__ | don't forget the daemon configs! |
| 14:34.31 | Plouj | its reiserfs |
| 14:34.41 | Plouj | what about daemon configs? |
| 14:34.49 | Plouj | what _are_ daemon configs? |
| 14:34.53 | jetscreamer | me, i cp /etc and /home somewhere, then install stuff |
| 14:34.59 | jetscreamer | cp -a |
| 14:35.21 | Lee__ | Plouj: your server's configuration files |
| 14:35.27 | jetscreamer | and replace the backed up stuff as needed |
| 14:35.28 | Plouj | oh, ofcourse |
| 14:35.39 | Lee__ | using tar is the easy way. |
| 14:35.47 | Plouj | I have it all in /root/vimbackup :) |
| 14:35.53 | taec_ | OK, I realise this is a weird request, but I'm looking to setup an automated Debian install via PXE from a RedHat machine (so FAI is probably out of the question) |
| 14:36.18 | ircdevil | hm. i am bored. i will go for a walk. |
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| 14:41.32 | nottu | Lee__: and i get those errors when i do make menuconfig |
| 14:42.02 | nottu | Lee__: i need imq support |
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| 14:43.23 | sameer | has sarge been frozen |
| 14:43.34 | Lee__ | nottu: have you installed make-kpkg? |
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| 14:43.38 | asg | sameer: /topic |
| 14:44.09 | JohnnyST | Seems like debian is loosing market quite fast: http://www.desktoplinux.com/articles/AT2127420238.html |
| 14:44.14 | zophyx | how stable is unstable ? |
| 14:44.14 | abrotman | asg: judas priest!! |
| 14:44.24 | abrotman | !sid |
| 14:44.24 | dpkg | extra, extra, read all about it, sid is the unstable version of Debian. Commonly [and wrongly] backronymed Still In Development. It's actually named for the destructive neighbour kid in Toy Story. Ask me about unstable. Do not use sid unless you have the skill to find your way out of the mess that broken packages may put you in. |
| 14:44.28 | asg | abrotman: yeah, spoopin and I are contemplating a road trip up there |
| 14:44.33 | abrotman | asg: i heard |
| 14:44.34 | sameer | asg: i was confused by this -->dpkg d-i | SARGE HAS FROZEN, security now up |
| 14:44.45 | Lee__ | zophyx: I heard unstable is unstable |
| 14:44.49 | abrotman | asg: i was asking him last night about this http://www.piedmontblues.org/sections/litefest/2005/schedule.html |
| 14:45.05 | Lee__ | JohnnyST: does Debian even /have/ a market? |
| 14:45.08 | abrotman | sameer: how is that confusing ? |
| 14:45.17 | asg | abrotman: ah |
| 14:45.18 | nottu | Lee__: yes |
| 14:45.18 | abrotman | zophyx: it's ok .. don't use it if you aren't good with debian |
| 14:45.29 | JohnnyST | Lee__, I think so. |
| 14:45.34 | abrotman | asg: i'll be in greensboro by 330pm :) |
| 14:45.43 | asg | abrotman: heh, just about pubtime |
| 14:45.43 | onre | unstable is ok if you have good backups and lots of free time |
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| 14:45.50 | sameer | abrotman : no thats misleading i would say for people who read very little |
| 14:45.52 | zophyx | i am being crowded out by the civilization that is encroaching upon sarge |
| 14:46.06 | abrotman | sameer: you should start with phonics |
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| 14:46.13 | Dabian | Is hardware specs available for nvidia and/or ATI? |
| 14:46.15 | JohnnyST | Lee__, Perhaps it will change when sarge is out. |
| 14:46.18 | zophyx | onre: that sounds like a warning :) |
| 14:46.25 | sameer | abrotman : hehe |
| 14:46.29 | valdyn | JohnnyST: no, its "loosing market share among people who read that site and participated in the poll", which is not much at all and not representative for the whole at all |
| 14:46.36 | asg | abrotman: or hydroponics |
| 14:46.39 | Lee__ | does anyone care about Debian's market? seriously, I'm curious. |
| 14:46.41 | abrotman | sameer: sarge is frozen .. security updates for sarge have begun |
| 14:46.45 | abrotman | Lee__: no |
| 14:46.52 | asg | Lee__: no |
| 14:46.54 | Lee__ | that's what I thought. I really don't. |
| 14:47.04 | Lee__ | but it's mt favorite distro :) |
| 14:47.07 | abrotman | Dabian: no |
| 14:47.08 | zophyx | i don't care either |
| 14:47.15 | Dabian | Bring your blankets! Sarge is freezing! |
| 14:47.21 | sameer | abrotman : great .. |
| 14:47.30 | drac | Dabian: It's allready frozen, you're little late. |
| 14:47.33 | Dabian | abrotman: None of them? |
| 14:47.34 | sameer | abrotman : when will the forzen isos be out |
| 14:47.46 | abrotman | Dabian: ask #ati or #nvidia .. but i'm pretty sure no |
| 14:47.48 | Dabian | drac: We will need hair dryers then. :-P |
| 14:47.51 | zophyx | Bring your ice skates! Sarge is freezing! |
| 14:47.57 | abrotman | sameer: when you see the big announcement on slashdot that sarge is released |
| 14:47.58 | Dabian | abrotman: Doesn't that suck? |
| 14:48.02 | JohnnyST | valdyn, Perhaps so.. |
| 14:48.05 | abrotman | Dabian: yes .. don't buy ati or nvidia |
| 14:48.17 | sameer | abrotman : hehe thanx |
| 14:48.20 | abrotman | sameer: or .. alternately .. when pigs are landing in your backyard |
| 14:48.32 | sameer | abrotman : heaheea// |
| 14:48.39 | Dabian | abrotman: But .. is there any alternative for 3D games? |
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| 14:48.52 | JoshH | Dabian: no, if you want 3d games, you should buy nvidia. |
| 14:49.10 | abrotman | Dabian: i have intel .. how much gaming do you intend to do? |
| 14:49.27 | Dabian | abrotman: I have intel at work ... but its very slow and buggy :/ |
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| 14:49.36 | JoshH | intel sucks for pretty much any 3d |
| 14:49.38 | abrotman | Dabian: have your priorities .. open drivers .. or decent 3d |
| 14:49.41 | JoshH | exactly |
| 14:49.46 | abrotman | JoshH: works perfectly fine here |
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| 14:49.47 | JoshH | open drivers or good 3d, take your pick |
| 14:49.49 | JoshH | you cant have both |
| 14:49.52 | Lee__ | decent 3d for new games == Windows |
| 14:49.54 | abrotman | JoshH: i can play quake3 perfectly well |
| 14:50.00 | drac | Dabian: Get an 9200Pro, old older r200. Great 3D, and Open Source. |
| 14:50.04 | JoshH | abrotman: what settings on q3? |
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| 14:50.13 | abrotman | JoshH: dunno . don't play it enough to care :) |
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| 14:50.20 | Dabian | Lee__: Nah .. taint your kernel if you want to sell your soul for fast 3D .. no need to be a pervert. |
| 14:50.20 | Loof | Don't ATI cards have decent drivers as well? |
| 14:50.26 | abrotman | drac: Dabian: iirc .. the 9250 also runs on the open source driver |
| 14:50.26 | JoshH | but quake3 is like 5 years old... these days people want to play half life 2, doom3, wow, etc |
| 14:50.31 | JoshH | and you cant do that with intel |
| 14:50.39 | Lee__ | ewww, tainted kernel |
| 14:50.40 | abrotman | JoshH: and .. i still don't care? .. i have a PS2 ? |
| 14:50.45 | drac | abrotman: It does. It's just trimmed down version of an 9200Pro. |
| 14:50.46 | JoshH | Loof: they work, but they arent too decent |
| 14:50.49 | Dabian | drac: That would vork even on a mac? |
| 14:50.53 | asg | JoshH: some of us still MUD and play nethack |
| 14:50.53 | Dabian | drac: ppc |
| 14:50.54 | drac | Dabian: yup |
| 14:50.55 | abrotman | JoshH: i chose my hardware .. you choose your games .. sorry about your luck |
| 14:51.11 | zaikxtox | hello. can i tell apt to use several mirrors at the same time? i say... i need 3 files and i have 3 mirrors on my sources.list... to make apt download simultaneously one file from each mirror |
| 14:51.15 | JoshH | ok, sorry... SOME people today want to play more modern games |
| 14:51.15 | Loof | I've been toying /w angband/tome |
| 14:51.22 | Loof | But I seem to die a bit too randomly in those |
| 14:51.25 | abrotman | JoshH: i do .. i have a PS2 .. |
| 14:51.35 | drac | Dabian: 9200 or 9200Pro, not an 9250 or 9200SE. |
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| 14:51.43 | abrotman | drac: 9250 are open too no? |
| 14:51.50 | Loof | You're on the 1st level and get poisoned to death by one of the 1st creatures you meet...seems a little unbalanced |
| 14:51.51 | asg | drac: do not buy the SE, whatever you do |
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| 14:51.52 | JoshH | i have a PS2 also, and all its good for right now is gran turismo 4 |
| 14:52.06 | abrotman | JoshH: apparently you play bad games or something |
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| 14:52.12 | drac | abrotman: It's supported by open too, yes. |
| 14:52.19 | Dabian | Loof level up a little. |
| 14:52.22 | abrotman | JoshH: there are plenty of newer games for ps2 |
| 14:52.29 | JoshH | abrotman: im not trying to argue with you here... :) |
| 14:52.32 | abrotman | JoshH: did you buy enthusia ? |
| 14:52.40 | JohnnyST | abrotman, yes 9250 are open, I have one here on debian sarge. |
| 14:52.42 | abrotman | (i'm actually looking for a user opinion of the game) |
| 14:52.43 | JoshH | im just saying, if you want to play modern PC games, you need nvidia or ati |
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| 14:52.51 | JoshH | no i havent |
| 14:52.56 | drac | asg: I won't, I allready have an 9200Pro (with dualhead: yes, direct rendering: yes, open source: yes.) :) |
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| 14:53.06 | asg | drac: excellent |
| 14:53.14 | Loof | Dabian: Yah, I've gotten to 3rd or 4th level... just going up and down between the town and the 1st level...and I generally meet up /w something that is faster than I can run and poisons me |
| 14:53.19 | Dabian | JoshH: What about the 9250 .. does it play enimi territory? |
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| 14:53.22 | Loof | It got boring pretty quickly :P :> |
| 14:53.41 | Nicolo` | how can I have my usb wireless adapter recognized? it's a trust nw-3100.. i don't know how to find out which chipset it's on it |
| 14:53.50 | JoshH | it should play that, yes. ET isn't too demanding of a game. but i have had problems with ET freezing using the ati binary driver |
| 14:53.52 | JohnnyST | abrotman, You need to edit your Xfree86 config file and manually set the driver to the readeon driver then it works fine. |
| 14:53.57 | JoshH | it works perfectly with nvidia drivers though. |
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| 14:54.16 | abrotman | JohnnyST: not me .. i have intel .. works perfectly well .. i can deal with 1000fps on glxgears |
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| 14:54.18 | Dabian | Loof: Usually you don't start to get real tough before level 7 or 8 or so .. but level 4 isn't quite bad .. shows you can do it. |
| 14:54.37 | JohnnyST | abrotman, ok. |
| 14:54.55 | drac | dri.sourceforge.net (new CVS version) of radeon drivers supports: 8x agpmode, HyperZ, Texture Compression, and gives you over an 1000 FPS better result with such an bad benchmark like glxgears. |
| 14:54.59 | JoshH | i get about 4000 on glxgears with my 9800 pro, in 24 bit color. but many games still have issues that are nonexistant with nvidia. |
| 14:55.01 | Loof | Dabian: Can...and want to...are two different things ;) |
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| 14:55.08 | drac | ~3000 FPS on 9200 Pro. |
| 14:55.21 | thejasco | ciao :D |
| 14:55.23 | Dabian | JoshH: I have ti4200 .. and I usually taint my kernel (may God have mercy on my soul), but right now stuff is messed up .. something with alsa it seems. |
| 14:55.24 | JoshH | i used to get 1000 when i had a voodoo3 |
| 14:55.31 | abrotman | drac: but i don't play games on my machines |
| 14:55.45 | drac | abrotman: Everything else works here, except Doom 3 for Linux. |
| 14:55.48 | JoshH | Dabian: i used to have a 4200, it was a great linux card. i used to play ET on it all the time. :) |
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| 14:56.03 | abrotman | !it |
| 14:56.03 | dpkg | italian is probably per aiuto in lingua italiana: /j #debian-it, (anche /j #linux-it). Otterrete sicuramente piu' aiuto li', bischeri! For help in italian /j #debian-it or /j #linux-it |
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| 14:56.21 | abrotman | i'd rather have open drivers than good 3d .. PS2 works perfectly fine for games |
| 14:56.23 | drac | abrotman: Just matter of configuration, and CVS version of drm.ko, radeon.ko, MesaGL, and X.Org. And getting program called DriConf. |
| 14:56.24 | Dabian | JoshH: It pretty much rocks, because it doesn't support all the fancy stuff, and it doesn't complain if the code tries to use it either. |
| 14:56.40 | hexxeh|work | abrotman, but the ps2 isn't at all open, so what exactly are you gaiing? |
| 14:56.43 | hexxeh|work | *gaining |
| 14:56.55 | Dabian | JoshH: That makes the card fast, and it supports pretty new games, except you wont see the shades or whatever of course. |
| 14:56.58 | JoshH | honestly, i use windows for gaming just to avoid the hassles, and because when i first got my 9800 pro, the linux drivers were shit. |
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| 14:57.08 | JoshH | they have improved a bit but they still arent as good as nvidias. |
| 14:57.08 | abrotman | hexxeh|work: i can play games? .. |
| 14:57.22 | mheily | gaming = laming |
| 14:57.27 | hexxeh|work | abrotman, and a pc can't do that? |
| 14:57.34 | IDC | mh_le, lol |
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| 14:57.36 | abrotman | hexxeh|work: and you buy the PS2 with the expectation it's all closed ... nvidia has the option to open thier drivers .. and don't |
| 14:57.41 | JoshH | Dabian: ya, and im a graphics whore, so i always have to have a card that supports the latest features. :) |
| 14:57.54 | Dabian | JoshH: Heh .. |
| 14:57.56 | IDC | mh_le, oh,worng person,sorry |
| 14:58.02 | hexxeh|work | abrotman, the option is there as long as they rewrite the 70-odd percent of their drivers that are licensed or patented by other people |
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| 14:58.22 | Dabian | JoshH: Does nvidia get the drivers out for linux fast enough? And can you play eg. DoomIII with galega or how do you do it? |
| 14:58.31 | abrotman | hexxeh|work: but why would they ... they have no need .. people who say they support open source openly advocate buying nvidia cards |
| 14:58.32 | hexxeh|work | Dabian, doom 3 is a linux game |
| 14:58.33 | JoshH | i like open source, but im not such a zealot that i wont buy a card that has closed drivers if its the only way to have nice 3d. |
| 14:58.49 | Exerd_ | drac, |
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| 14:58.53 | JoshH | Dabian: they generally keep up with the windows drivers pretty well. |
| 14:59.00 | asg | JoshH: then use Windows to play the 3d games with that card and be happy then. |
| 14:59.07 | abrotman | yay windows |
| 14:59.11 | Dabian | JoshH: Proprietary drivers. |
| 14:59.14 | mh_le | IDC: no prob :) |
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| 15:00.31 | Radiance | shoot'em ! |
| 15:00.41 | abrotman | delays suck |
| 15:00.43 | hexxeh|work | asg, and when the game is better under linux (higher low-point framerates, better loading times)? |
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| 15:01.08 | asg | hexxeh|work: oh, run it under Linux if that is the better experience for a game. |
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| 15:02.21 | hexxeh|work | asg, no small part of my switch from mainly-windows to mainly-linux was improved play with unreal tournament 2004, which i was playing a LOT |
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| 15:02.52 | asg | hexxeh|work: excellent. I've only ever used Windows for play games, that's all it's ever been good for. |
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| 15:03.01 | JoshH | thats all i use it for these days |
| 15:03.15 | asg | hexxeh|work: and these days, I don't play many games. |
| 15:03.17 | maketo | hi, I am trying to use raw devices and I keep getting Cannot open master raw device '/dev/rawctl' (No such device or address) |
| 15:03.21 | JoshH | actually thats all ive used it for since i first tried linux a long time ago, heh |
| 15:03.21 | maketo | any suggestions? |
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| 15:03.49 | hexxeh|work | i've been using windows a little more recently, for an evil open-source project. but usually i juts pop in to play the odd game |
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| 15:04.03 | hexxeh|work | those that won't run under linux natively or with cedega/wine |
| 15:04.26 | asg | hexxeh|work: yes, that's its one use (well, except for running our BBS on Windows 95 some time ago.) |
| 15:04.36 | JoshH | when i had a ti4200 i would play games with winex where possible, but since i got the ati card, its not even worth trying, i just use windows. |
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| 15:05.38 | hexxeh|work | JoshH, what did we learn about buying an fglrx card? |
| 15:06.01 | shining | hexxeh|work, its hardly belieavable that ut2004 works better on linux. ut games are known to be d3d optimized, they are slower in opengl |
| 15:06.27 | JoshH | well, at the time, the geforce FX series was inferior to the 9800 series, so i figured i would just get it and use windows for gaming. right now i wish i had an nvidia 6800, but i probably wont upgrade it until the next generation. |
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| 15:06.49 | JoshH | shining: in my experience they run a lot better on windows too |
| 15:06.55 | Nicolo` | how can I have my usb wireless adapter recognized? it's a trust nw-3100.. i don't know how to find out which chipset it's on it |
| 15:06.55 | ^rob^ | hi |
| 15:07.08 | hexxeh|work | shining, they're not known for that, ut classic was always orders of magnitude faster with glide-gl than anything else. and under linux the load times are 2-3x faster, with a much higher lowest framearte than windows (i.e. no frame drops or jerking) |
| 15:07.10 | asg | Nicolo`: tried googling? |
| 15:07.31 | Nicolo` | yes, there's no reference to trust nw-3100 anywhere except price lists :) |
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| 15:07.53 | hexxeh|work | shining, playing onslaught online, gaining a few extra seconds over people with faster computers and net connections to pinch the best vehicles is good |
| 15:07.55 | ^rob^ | is there a way to modify the prompt in console - to have only the last dir where am I ? - i have the whole path in it is almost 1 whole line - my PS1 is PS1='\u@\h:\w\$ ' |
| 15:08.00 | hexxeh|work | Nicolo`, lsusb |
| 15:08.07 | asg | ^rob^: read the BashPrompt HOWTO |
| 15:08.19 | ^rob^ | asg where is it? |
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| 15:08.32 | Nicolo` | hexxeh|work, and then? i can find there just the Manufacturer and the Product name... |
| 15:08.49 | asg | ^rob^: tldp.org |
| 15:08.53 | hexxeh|work | Nicolo`, does it give a more useful manufacturer name than Trust? |
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| 15:09.06 | asg | ^rob^: also see 'bash(1)' (and search for PROMPTING) |
| 15:09.10 | Nicolo` | iManufacturer 16 Trust |
| 15:09.11 | Nicolo` | <PROTECTED> |
| 15:09.13 | winjer | there any known issues with exim and tls at the moment in sarge or sid? |
| 15:09.16 | Nicolo` | nothing more than that |
| 15:09.20 | asg | winjer: the bts would know |
| 15:09.21 | ^rob^ | k ty |
| 15:09.27 | coll_ | which kernel comes installed with debian woody 3.0r5? |
| 15:09.28 | shining | hexxeh|work, anyway, its the first time I see that, so excuse me if I still have some doubts |
| 15:09.29 | winjer | asg: i asked, it didn't say anything |
| 15:09.33 | asg | coll_: 2.4.18 |
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| 15:09.42 | winjer | asg: but i don't necessarily know which package the bug would be filed against |
| 15:09.47 | coll_ | uhm |
| 15:09.49 | hexxeh|work | coll_, 2.2.20 or 2.4.18, depending on install options |
| 15:09.54 | hexxeh|work | coll_, 2.2.20 by default |
| 15:10.03 | asg | winjer: exim or exim4 most likely |
| 15:10.05 | ^rob^ | asg: ty = man part was faster :) |
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| 15:10.15 | winjer | asg: yeah, nowt there though |
| 15:10.19 | coll_ | yeah that was what i was prompted for, 2.2 default or bf24 thing |
| 15:10.32 | asg | winjer: or exim4-daemon-{heavy,light} |
| 15:10.40 | winjer | asg: tried them too :) |
| 15:10.49 | coll_ | what if i want 2.5 or 2.6? ill do a later upgrade after i install it? |
| 15:10.50 | JoshH | rob_lt: try changing the w to W |
| 15:10.52 | winjer | asg: must have screwed something up myself then :) |
| 15:10.53 | asg | winjer: then if this just started happening after an upgrade, file a bug. |
| 15:10.59 | asg | JoshH: he got that already from bash(1) |
| 15:11.00 | JoshH | err, nevermind |
| 15:11.02 | winjer | asg: new box |
| 15:11.03 | JoshH | that guy quit |
| 15:11.14 | asg | winjer: have you asked #exim? |
| 15:11.36 | hexxeh|work | coll_, you don't run 3.0 if you want anything post-2002 |
| 15:11.53 | coll_ | is there a newer version of woody? |
| 15:12.02 | hexxeh|work | coll_, no. woody means 3.0 |
| 15:12.04 | asg | coll_: since sarge is frozen and will release in a month or so, you are better off using that |
| 15:12.51 | coll_ | well i was asking you guys before which to install sarge or woody for a linux gateway (which wont act as a desktop box) |
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| 15:13.10 | coll_ | i was told that woody is more secure so to go with that |
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| 15:13.16 | humbolt | same old problem: my kde ioslaves do not work. the temp files get deleted for some reason. however, this is only the case for one particular user, the one I use most: hugo:hugo. the one that works is test:users. all files and symlinks are owned by the right user:group. |
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| 15:13.25 | EdibleText | coll_, that is correct |
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| 15:13.37 | asg | coll_: sarge is now getting security updates, though woody is still considered slightly more secure due to maturity |
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| 15:14.04 | coll_ | well i can always do a dist upgrade with apt to sarge, right? |
| 15:14.09 | asg | coll_: of course |
| 15:14.12 | EdibleText | coll_, that is correct |
| 15:14.16 | asg | humbolt: try #debian-kde |
| 15:14.44 | humbolt | asg: I am |
| 15:14.58 | coll_ | i was asking before about the kernel upgrade for a reason. i want to implement in the new debian a tool for bandwidth control inside my lan and i was seeing one the other day but i think it required 2.5 or 2.6 |
| 15:15.10 | asg | coll_: 2.6 on woody is problematic at best |
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| 15:15.26 | asg | coll_: /msg dpkg woody 2.6 (for more info) |
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| 15:16.30 | coll_ | in this case, can i ask if one of you has implemented a bandwidth control tool on a 2.4 kernel? |
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| 15:17.26 | vchrizz | hum, when i want to create a folder on /srv/ i gget the erro, the file-system is mounted read-only, but it isnt: |
| 15:17.35 | vchrizz | /dev/mapper/rootfs on /srv/ type ext3 (rw) |
| 15:17.35 | vchrizz | /hdb/privat on /srv/privat type none (rw,bind) |
| 15:18.00 | hexxeh|work | coll_, when did you ask? |
| 15:18.07 | vchrizz | but in /srv/privat it works? |
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| 15:18.11 | asg | coll_: take a look at lartc.org |
| 15:18.16 | coll_ | im asking now :p |
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| 15:18.34 | asg | coll_: there's a great howto on all sorts of routing and traffic mgmt |
| 15:18.41 | hexxeh|work | coll_, sarge is now receiving security updates, and should be officially released as "stable" within a month |
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| 15:19.14 | coll_ | so you're advising me to wait a lil bit? |
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| 15:20.23 | coll_ | thanks asg, im reading it right now |
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| 15:22.13 | winjer | aha! my problem is with /dev/random |
| 15:22.52 | winjer | it appears to be empty |
| 15:23.15 | hexxeh|work | coll_, nah, no point waiting |
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| 15:24.45 | coll_ | hexxeh|work: sorry im mis-understanding you. should i go ahead and install woody or wait for a stable sarge release? id appreciate your advice on it |
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| 15:26.15 | positrix | you could install sarge anyway. woody is pretty lame by todays standards, and the current sarge is stable enough |
| 15:26.37 | cinix | and then if you find any serious problems in sarge you can report it to the proper authorities |
| 15:26.52 | streuner | positrix: according to /topic i would say yes :-) |
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| 15:27.36 | supaman | whu? I just did aptitude wmakerconf and then aptitude wanted to remove the wmaker package |
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| 15:27.58 | positrix | lmao |
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| 15:28.44 | positrix | supaman: are they both the same version? |
| 15:28.57 | supaman | positrix: umm ... let me check |
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| 15:30.29 | supaman | positrix: nahh ... wmakerconf is of totally different versions.. 2.1.11 while wmaker is 0.80 |
| 15:30.59 | pack | what's that command to view who's got open files on a partition? |
| 15:31.08 | supaman | lsof? |
| 15:31.13 | pack | tanks |
| 15:31.21 | onre | infantry |
| 15:31.48 | paulswm | supaman: in sarge, wmaker is 0.91.0-7 and wmakerconf is 2.11-1, and dependecies seem to be correct |
| 15:31.49 | shining | finding serious problems in sarge must not be an easy task, I can't even find any in sid |
| 15:31.54 | dos000 | i have an embedded promise & via raid controllers. however they dont get seen by the installer altho i set the bios as raid ! what do i have to do ? |
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| 15:32.19 | supaman | paulswm: hmmm .... Ill try and update wmaker first then .. |
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| 15:33.08 | supaman | paulswm: but it seems more logical that wmakerconf should update wmkker then delete it from the system dont you think? :-) |
| 15:33.21 | supaman | s/wmkker/wmaker |
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| 15:33.50 | markw_ | argh.. anyreason cups won't let root admin printers in debian? google's not showing much. |
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| 15:35.09 | supaman | apt-cache show wmakerconf gives the following line: Conflicts: wmaker (<< 0.90.0) |
| 15:35.16 | SlayerCE | markw_: you know, I couldn't figure that out just a few days ago. ended up just using w3m http://localhost:631 |
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| 15:36.04 | markw_ | SlayerCE: that's where I'm seeing the errors. printer is stopped, and even though I logged in to localhost, I'm getting a "clien-error-not-authorized" to start the printer. |
| 15:36.19 | resiak | supaman: So install the newer version of wmaker. |
| 15:36.29 | resiak | supaman: What's the problem? |
| 15:36.46 | supaman | resiak: just pointing it out, seems like a bug to me :-) |
| 15:37.19 | supaman | should rather be in the dependencie list then the conflict list |
| 15:37.44 | paulswm | supaman: which debian version are you running, and are you mxing packages from different versions? |
| 15:38.00 | supaman | paulswm: testing and I am not mixing |
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| 15:38.30 | supaman | and I saw that the maintainer of this package doesnt want to maintain it anymore |
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| 15:39.21 | resiak | supaman: If you think it's a bug, file a bug. |
| 15:39.25 | paulswm | supaman: maybe something else is causing it, you could run 'apt-get -s dist-upgrade' to simulate a full upgrade and see what it says it would do |
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| 15:39.42 | supaman | paulswm: ill try that |
| 15:39.46 | valdyn | !conflicts wmakerconf |
| 15:39.53 | dpkg | wmakerconf: wmaker (<< 0.90.0) |
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| 15:40.00 | supaman | resiak: yes ... will do |
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| 15:41.10 | winjer | so it was a kernel bug in 2.6.11 |
| 15:41.43 | asg | !kernel of instability |
| 15:41.43 | dpkg | Linux 2.6. "Andrew's vision, as expressed at the summit, is that the mainline kernel will be the fastest and most feature-rich kernel around, but not, necessarily, the most stable. Final stabilization is to be done by distributors (as happens now, really)..." <http://kerneltrap.org/node/view/3513>, or http://kerneltrap.org/node/4793 (new 2.6 numbering scheme - proposal) |
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| 15:42.03 | raf256 | how can I up/down load files over ssh/sftp connection? |
| 15:42.09 | asg | raf256: man scp |
| 15:42.12 | raf256 | coz damn krusader and gftp are borked |
| 15:42.21 | raf256 | asg: more comfortably perhaps? |
| 15:42.23 | asg | raf256: man sftp also |
| 15:42.27 | usn | hi folx |
| 15:42.38 | supaman | paulswm: well, doing dist-upgrade updates wmaker so there conflict no longer arises ... |
| 15:42.46 | valdyn | raf256: konqueror cant do it? |
| 15:42.46 | raf256 | hmm or is there a way to mount remote SFTP directory? |
| 15:42.46 | supaman | s/there/the |
| 15:42.47 | asg | raf256: if you are particularly daring, look at sshfs (and use cp(1), mv(1), rm(1)) |
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| 15:42.53 | resiak | supaman: _exactly_. |
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| 15:43.00 | raf256 | valdyn: I need two-sides-base file manager thingy |
| 15:43.26 | AdrianLP | When running Thunderbird (and only when running Thunderbird) my X crashes. In syslog I see this: kernel: __alloc_pages: 0-order allocation failed (gfp=0x1d2/0) ; kernel: VM: killing process XFree86 Is this a known bug, a bad kernel config, or...? |
| 15:43.51 | supaman | resiak: uhh ... this has been a testing machine since I put it up ... I dont think that I should have to do dist-upgrade just to install one package |
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| 15:44.31 | paulswm | supaman: I do dist-upgrades always, I have had no breakage and my entire systems always up to date |
| 15:44.40 | maack | can anyone help where to get a iso for debian64? |
| 15:44.49 | maack | msg dpkg xorg |
| 15:44.50 | resiak | supaman: You don't. That package conflicts with earlier wmakers, so it removes them. Perhaps it should depend on wmaker >= 0.91 . File a bug. Anyway, you're on testing -- you should perform upgrades often. |
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| 15:45.20 | supaman | paulswm: yes ... of course I should do it .. but I should have to should I? :-) |
| 15:45.40 | supaman | s/I should have/I shouldnt have/ :-) |
| 15:45.41 | doub | AdrianLP: seems like thunderbird exhaust available memory |
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| 15:45.51 | doub | AdrianLP: maybe a memory leak somewhere in it |
| 15:46.08 | supaman | my typing even works against me :-) |
| 15:46.20 | paulswm | supaman: not an argument in which I care to participate as I do dist-upgrades to avoid that sort of thing. |
| 15:46.32 | supaman | paulswm: fair enough :-) |
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| 15:47.05 | doub | AdrianLP: or thunderbird causes a memory leak in xfree, which is also possible |
| 15:47.14 | paulswm | supaman: your choice, certainly dist-upgrades are tedious if you're doing them over a dial-up :) |
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| 15:48.16 | supaman | paulswm: nahh ... I have a really fast ethernet connection here .. but its just the principle of the matter (dont really care about this, just wondering outloud) |
| 15:48.46 | twobitsprite | what's another mpeg viewer besides xine? I can't seem to get xine to display video and I want to see if it's just my xine installation or something else... |
| 15:48.50 | paulswm | supaman: Heh, I do dist-upgrades on principle, usually daily, never more than a week in between :) |
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| 15:49.11 | supaman | twobitsprite: mplayer for instance |
| 15:49.19 | raf256 | shit |
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| 15:49.47 | raf256 | is this normal - while connecting to ssh or sftp my CPU usage jumps to 100% for 5-10 seconds, on 2600 Athlon |
| 15:49.47 | supaman | paulswm: yeh, I really should do that ... |
| 15:50.03 | gotmane | oi |
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| 15:51.01 | raf256 | ok I did connected to a server throught a ssh. Now how can I upload local file ~/foo into remote location where I am currently in the remote ssh (./foo) ? |
| 15:51.19 | doub | raf256: you can monitor the process with strace to see if maybe it's trying to do useless stuff |
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| 15:51.45 | doub | raf256: with scp |
| 15:51.55 | raf256 | I start the scp in the remote ssh session? |
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| 15:52.04 | raf256 | my local machine is not an server |
| 15:52.06 | gotmane | Aqui tudo é cona |
| 15:52.15 | raf256 | !it |
| 15:52.15 | dpkg | extra, extra, read all about it, italian is per aiuto in lingua italiana: /j #debian-it, (anche /j #linux-it). Otterrete sicuramente piu' aiuto li', bischeri! For help in italian /j #debian-it or /j #linux-it |
| 15:52.22 | doub | raf256: so do it from your machine then |
| 15:52.27 | raf256 | ok |
| 15:52.32 | FarrisG | Anybody here really handy with rdiff-backup syntax? |
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| 15:52.41 | raf256 | the manual shure lacks examples |
| 15:52.55 | doleyb | raf256: do you use kde (konqueror) by any chance? |
| 15:53.04 | raf256 | doleyb: not yet, Im trying it now |
| 15:53.22 | doleyb | raf256: if you have kde, open a file window and type "fish://remotemachine" , that will make it all easy |
| 15:53.38 | doub | raf256: there's no life howto, but you're still alive. everything's not in the manual |
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| 15:54.12 | raf256 | doleyb: ok that worked, thnx, |
| 15:54.27 | raf256 | doleyb: but I need normal, mc-style 2 panell file manger, not shitty explorer-like thingy |
| 15:54.35 | raf256 | can I change konqueror to mc-like (2 panels) mode? |
| 15:54.39 | doub | raf256: use mc then |
| 15:54.49 | doub | raf256: it does just that same thing |
| 15:54.49 | ildegar | I'm trying to mount a usb mass storage device, but it gives me an error message: mount: /dev/sda1 is not a valid block device. I have usb-storage and scsi modules installed |
| 15:54.52 | raf256 | doub: mc can connect to remote sftp? |
| 15:54.53 | doleyb | raf256: on the menu, do Window, then Split Horizontal |
| 15:55.10 | doub | raf256: yes, open the "left" or "right" menu and choose "shell link" |
| 15:55.27 | doleyb | raf256: you can make it look a lot like MC, but I don't know if all the details are right. |
| 15:55.30 | valdyn | raf256: mc - select Shell Connection.. |
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| 15:55.37 | AdrianLP | doub: So, basically, either switch mail clients, or hope they release a new version soon. |
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| 15:55.43 | FarrisG | ildegar: It might not be /dev/sda1. Unplug it, "tail -f /var/log/syslog" then plug it back in |
| 15:56.01 | raf256 | valdyn: doleyb: ok, thanx :) both ways worked |
| 15:56.10 | doub | AdrianLP: or even try to localize the problem and file a bug report |
| 15:56.36 | doub | AdrianLP: by, maybe, watching memory usage, or stracing the process |
| 15:56.37 | doleyb | raf256: actually, use menu Settings, Profile, Midnight Commander |
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| 15:56.51 | addNtoX | hi folkzZz |
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| 15:58.36 | pro | anyone know how to use ip route to default route via a device and not an IP? |
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| 15:59.04 | doub | pro: what do you mean by "device" ? |
| 15:59.11 | dos000 | anyone configured raid on a asus k8v se deluxe ? |
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| 15:59.37 | doub | pro: use an ip-less ethernet machine? |
| 15:59.38 | pro | doub, as in tun0 or ppp0 or ppp1 |
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| 15:59.59 | doub | pro: FYI, in unix jargon, this is an interface |
| 16:00.15 | pro | OhSmiTt, sorry. |
| 16:00.20 | stew | pro: you cannot set up a default route without giving an ip address for the gateway |
| 16:00.38 | pro | stew, you sure about that? |
| 16:00.45 | simonrvn | yes |
| 16:00.46 | doub | pro: what do you want to do, anyway? |
| 16:01.03 | stew | pro: yes |
| 16:01.19 | slocate | on one of my machines anacron emails me the output of what it has done, the thing is that I forgot how to set it |
| 16:01.27 | doub | pro: your packets need to be directed to some router, so you can't specify an interface |
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| 16:01.31 | pro | ok, i have 2 ppp interfaces, and one tun interface, and depending on the time of day i want to use a different intercafe as a default gateway |
| 16:01.35 | doub | pro: an interface is not a destination |
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| 16:02.40 | stew | pro: route add default gw 1.2.3.4 ppp0 |
| 16:02.42 | doub | pro: change the "defaultroute" pppd setting then |
| 16:02.55 | stew | pro: that will specify that it should use ppp0 specifically |
| 16:02.59 | slocate | is that possible? |
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| 16:03.19 | stew | if you then want to switch to ppp1, route delete default ; route add default gw 1.2.3.4 ppp1 |
| 16:03.33 | pro | i know |
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| 16:03.57 | doub | slocate: is it possible to do things otherwise? assuming anacron is just anachronistic cron, every output is emailed |
| 16:04.25 | doub | slocate: is your MTA working properly? aren't your anacron scripts redirecting output to /dev/null? |
| 16:04.32 | ludi | where do I extract icon themes that I downloaded from www.gnomedesktop.org |
| 16:04.49 | slocate | doub: it is |
| 16:05.07 | slocate | doub: my MTA that is, although, local only |
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| 16:05.50 | doub | slocate: that's not much of a problem, if you receive root messages |
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| 16:06.16 | doub | slocate: try 'echo "hello" | mail root' and see if you get something |
| 16:06.29 | ludi | Are there any other linux web browsers, aside from mozilla, firefox, epiphany, konqueror, and opera? |
| 16:06.37 | doub | ludi: many others |
| 16:06.45 | slocate | doub: i have apt-listchange email me |
| 16:06.48 | cmd | ludi: you are joking ! |
| 16:06.50 | doub | ludi: links, w3m, lynx, amaya... |
| 16:07.06 | drac | elinks, links2, opera.. |
| 16:07.21 | doub | drac: duplicate detected ;) |
| 16:07.53 | ludi | links, w3m, lynx are console-based, yes? |
| 16:07.55 | slocate | doub: i have root's email redirected to me |
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| 16:08.09 | drac | ludi: links2 -g :) |
| 16:08.19 | ludi | ack |
| 16:08.26 | slocate | <PROTECTED> |
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| 16:08.26 | ludi | well, not exactly the sort of answer I was after |
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| 16:08.41 | doub | slocate: try setting a cron task which shouts out loud, and see if you get results. if you do, check other scripts for redirections |
| 16:08.41 | Nicolo` | how can i find the right module for my wireless usb adapter Trust NW-3100? |
| 16:08.46 | ludi | not sure how to phrase the question more precisely. |
| 16:09.07 | doub | slocate: otherwise check if anacron runs (you should see this in the syslog already) |
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| 16:10.06 | doub | ludi: they are not memory hogging X stuff (at least not mandatory) |
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| 16:10.33 | aldug | is there a way with sudo to allow a user to run as command as another non-root user? |
| 16:10.44 | ludi | doub: X stuff! Yea, that's the ticket. Any other X browsers aside from mozilla, firefox, epiphany, konqueror, and opera? |
| 16:10.51 | raz0 | Are any packages/scripts available to aid in running a Debian server hosting virtual hosts with Apache2, PHP, MySQL, Mail etc. - All I get from google is people who want to sell me webhosting. :/ |
| 16:11.12 | doub | ludi: dillo |
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| 16:11.37 | doub | ludi: what are you searching for, anyway? |
| 16:11.51 | stew | raz0: be more specific |
| 16:11.52 | enntee | ludi: galeon! |
| 16:11.56 | enntee | galeon is awesome |
| 16:12.15 | slocate | doub: it is apparently running |
| 16:12.17 | doub | ludi: beside not being one of those you cited |
| 16:12.20 | stouset | galeon is poo =\ Epiphany 4 lief. |
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| 16:12.38 | ludi | enntee: nice, forgot about that one. Any others? |
| 16:12.38 | slocate | doub: i get a lot of -- MARK -- lines though is that good? |
| 16:12.40 | stouset | aldug: Yes, man sudoers =P |
| 16:12.59 | doub | slocate: they're just here to indicate proper syslog operation when it has nothing to say |
| 16:13.02 | raz0 | stew, Well.. Something that will help me set up new users with a domain in Apache2's virthost configuration, set up priviledges for the user in MySQL, set up a mail account for him and so on. |
| 16:13.08 | ludi | mozilla, firefox, epiphany, galeon, konqueror, opera...another others? |
| 16:13.15 | raz0 | stew, So I don't have to do it manually every time. :) |
| 16:13.35 | doub | slocate: but you can disable those, if you wish |
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| 16:13.47 | slocate | where? |
| 16:14.00 | kjh | ludi: amaya is an X browser |
| 16:14.05 | stouset | ludi: What about the w3 reference browser? |
| 16:14.12 | stouset | ludi: yeah, amaya that's it =D |
| 16:14.21 | doub | slocate: in /etc/sysklogd.conf i guess (man is your friend) |
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| 16:14.32 | ludi | amaya...interested. Based on gecko or khmtl? |
| 16:14.33 | slocate | lol |
| 16:14.42 | stouset | ludi: You don't want to use amaya. |
| 16:14.46 | stouset | ludi: Trust me. |
| 16:15.35 | ludi | oh, why not? |
| 16:15.35 | kjh | ludi: it's really just a demonstration of w3c standards |
| 16:15.35 | ludi | alright |
| 16:15.35 | doub | ludi: this is w3c's reference browser |
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| 16:15.37 | stouset | ludi: It's the reference browser. It's meant to handle pristine HTML/XHTML/etc |
| 16:15.37 | ludi | figured as much |
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| 16:15.50 | stouset | ludi: Try browsing slashdot with it, I dare you. Hehe. |
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| 16:16.06 | ludi | so, excluding amaya...any other X web browsers? |
| 16:16.11 | bgat | I'm running a fresh testing install on my PC, can't get my USB pen drive to work |
| 16:16.30 | bgat | help /flood |
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| 16:16.41 | luulis | ludi: dillo |
| 16:17.02 | ludi | what's dillo? gecko, khtml, other? |
| 16:17.05 | stouset | bgat: What won't work with it? |
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| 16:17.19 | bgat | well, I just posted some stuff in #flood, but the last line is: |
| 16:17.23 | doub | ludi: that's dillo, with dillo's rendering engine |
| 16:17.34 | bgat | May 5 11:14:46 localhost hal.hotplug[17799]: timout(10000 ms) waiting for /devices/pci0000:00/0000:00:10.4/usb4/4-7/4-7:1.0/host4/4:0:0:0 |
| 16:17.39 | bgat | May 5 11:14:56 localhost scsi.agent[17817]: Attribute /sys/devices/pci0000:00/0000:00:10.4/usb4/4-7/4-7:1.0/host4/4:0:0:0/type does not exist |
| 16:17.56 | bgat | IOW, the kernel sees that I've inserted the drive, but for whatever reason won't talk to it |
| 16:18.11 | ludi | exit |
| 16:18.13 | doub | ludi: lightweight and fast are its objective. conformance to bad design is not |
| 16:18.15 | stouset | Yeah. It's pretty clear that the kernel sees the drive. I'm not sure why it would be getting a USB timeout though |
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| 16:18.43 | doub | ludi: good bye. have a goood day |
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| 16:20.16 | bgat | ... and now when I re-plug the device, I get no response in the logs |
| 16:20.25 | bgat | and yet I just unplugged my ftdi_sio, and that showed up |
| 16:20.27 | bgat | wieeeerd |
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| 16:20.54 | spac | bgat, can you mount it? |
| 16:21.18 | doub | bgat: what does fdisk say about it? or /proc/partitions ? |
| 16:21.34 | tech13 | would like to write a shell script that i would like to always have run as nice, but "#!/usr/bin/nice -n 16 /bin/bash" doesn't do it. what is the right way? |
| 16:21.37 | doub | bgat: you might be missing some module |
| 16:22.01 | drac | bgat: sd_mod, usb_storage loaded? |
| 16:22.07 | doub | tech13: write a wrapper script maybe |
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| 16:23.20 | bgat | I've got usb_storage |
| 16:23.34 | bgat | and {oeu}hci_hcd |
| 16:23.43 | slocate | doub: anacron is running |
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| 16:24.06 | doub | slocate: good. so maybe your anacron scripts don't have anything to say? |
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| 16:24.29 | doub | slocate: they usually only say something in case of errors |
| 16:24.57 | spac | bgat; look http://www.linux-usb.org/USB-guide/x498.html |
| 16:25.04 | luca | hello all. i would like to install the nvidia driver from the nvidia.com provided package. how do i get the sources/headers for my kernel 2.4.27? is it kernerl-source-2.4.24? |
| 16:25.04 | doub | bgat: do you have sd_mod? |
| 16:25.15 | slocate | doub: thnx then |
| 16:25.37 | doub | slocate: np |
| 16:26.19 | spac | luca: is in kernel-headers-2.4.27 |
| 16:26.28 | tarzeau | how to create html from dvi/ps/tex/pdf? |
| 16:26.59 | luca | spac: do i need to create the /usr/src//linux manually? it does not get created automatically |
| 16:27.23 | Dabian | tarzeau: hyperlatex |
| 16:27.45 | Dabian | tarzeau: From TeX, I think. |
| 16:28.00 | spac | you can do ln -s kernel-headers-2.4.27 linux |
| 16:28.22 | tarzeau | Dabian: there's latex2html but that's not free |
| 16:28.26 | luca | spac: i did that. it did not worked though |
| 16:28.26 | spac | tarceau: you can do pdftohtml |
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| 16:28.48 | bgat | yes, I have sd_mod |
| 16:28.56 | bgat | and I just checked, the drive works on my WinXP box |
| 16:29.01 | tarzeau | spac: thanks |
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| 16:29.18 | Dabian | tarzeau: Its not free software? I knew not! |
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| 16:29.24 | drac | luca: wtf? you don't install nvidia drivers from nvidia.com. |
| 16:29.32 | doub | tarzeau: the output is usually quite ugly, however |
| 16:29.36 | drac | luca: /msg dpkg nvidia one-liner |
| 16:29.55 | luca | drac: yes, i knwo there is a package in the debian already :) |
| 16:29.58 | Dabian | !tell luca about nvidia |
| 16:29.58 | tarzeau | doub: it really is |
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| 16:30.29 | Dabian | drac: Do you still need the packages from sid? The factoid doesn't say anything. |
| 16:30.36 | Dabian | (about that) |
| 16:30.37 | drac | Dabian: sarge has them. |
| 16:30.38 | spac | luca: In the script from NVIDIA you can tell where the kernel-header is; |
| 16:30.53 | Dabian | drac: Cooll .. my nvidia is ruined .. something about alsa modules. |
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| 16:31.00 | doub | tarzeau: one thing you can do is export to xml (with pdftohtml) instead, and then fiddle with the output |
| 16:31.12 | hulu | where is the configuration for whether the hwclock is set to GMT or not? |
| 16:31.14 | tarzeau | doub: i don't want to fiddle |
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| 16:31.30 | Dabian | doub: Its hard to automate fiddling. |
| 16:31.31 | lctrkid | hi all |
| 16:31.35 | Luca-- | Hello, i cannot mount my fs as rw: mount -o remount, rw -t ext3 / give me this:mount: block device rw is write-protected, mounting read-only |
| 16:31.35 | Luca-- | , i already had an fsck and return no error |
| 16:31.41 | Dabian | lctrkid: No all here. |
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| 16:31.48 | Dabian | lctrkid: But hi! |
| 16:32.03 | doub | Dabian: of course |
| 16:32.33 | IDC | Time to bed,Good night'all ,thx for the helps in the day |
| 16:33.41 | doub | Luca--: syntax error near ',' |
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| 16:35.22 | axelx123 | hello please help! I installed debian but see only terminal, what packages do i need to start x session? |
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| 16:35.42 | appaji | axelx123: apt-get install x-window-system |
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| 16:35.54 | doub | Luca--: what you're saying there is to mount the 'rw' device to '/'. remove the space between ',' and 'rw' |
| 16:36.02 | appaji | axelx123: and then apt-get install 'your fave desktop software' |
| 16:36.28 | axelx123 | appaji what do You mean? |
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| 16:36.54 | doub | appaji: "E: Couldn't find package your fave desktop software" |
| 16:36.57 | axelx123 | axelx123 how to start it?? 'startx'?? |
| 16:37.02 | doub | appaji: (just kidding0 |
| 16:37.10 | appaji | doub: ;-) |
| 16:37.22 | Luca-- | mount -o remount,rw / |
| 16:37.25 | Luca-- | same error |
| 16:37.41 | axelx123 | appaji which one do You use? |
| 16:37.53 | appaji | doub: Do you have the right line in your /etc/apt/source.list :-P ? |
| 16:38.13 | if_ | /etc/apt/sources.list |
| 16:38.15 | if_ | :) |
| 16:38.29 | appaji | axelx123: I use xfce4. But I have only 128 MB RAM on my machine, so gnome-desktop-environment and kde might be an overkill. |
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| 16:38.50 | appaji | if_: |
| 16:38.52 | axelx123 | appaji how do i start it then? |
| 16:38.55 | appaji | <PROTECTED> |
| 16:38.58 | appaji | that is so python. |
| 16:39.10 | FieldySnuts | @start a language war |
| 16:39.11 | ravenbird | Java is better than C |
| 16:39.13 | appaji | axelx123: apt-get install xdm as well. |
| 16:39.24 | doub | Luca--: what's the reported error? |
| 16:39.29 | appaji | ravenbird: BASIC rocks. |
| 16:39.29 | ravenbird | wish i knew, appaji |
| 16:39.34 | Luca-- | mount: block device /dev/hda1 is write-protected, mounting read-only |
| 16:39.39 | axelx123 | appaji shall i run startx then? |
| 16:39.40 | FieldySnuts | PEEK |
| 16:39.44 | drac | appaji: x-window-system installs xdm |
| 16:39.53 | appaji | ravenbird, poke FieldySnuts |
| 16:39.59 | FieldySnuts | ow |
| 16:40.04 | doub | Luca--: what does /proc/mounts say? (first line) |
| 16:40.07 | drac | appaji: and loads of other stuff you don't usually need, wich is why 'x-window-system-core' is better package. |
| 16:40.11 | appaji | and appaji wins the war :-p |
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| 16:40.12 | if_ | you need x-window-system-core |
| 16:40.12 | FieldySnuts | @tell tiCo about away |
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| 16:40.25 | cadu | debian vanilla kernels have BadRAM patch in ? |
| 16:40.39 | Luca-- | rootfs / rootfs rw 0 0 |
| 16:40.39 | Luca-- | /dev/root / ext3 ro 0 0 |
| 16:40.40 | axelx123 | how do i start the session? |
| 16:40.41 | FieldySnuts | hope not |
| 16:40.44 | Luca-- | and others |
| 16:40.46 | tiCo | FieldySnuts: jaja |
| 16:40.50 | FieldySnuts | Alex: what session |
| 16:40.55 | FieldySnuts | !irritate tico |
| 16:40.56 | dpkg | tico: hi every1 how does I run teh edonkey ????? |
| 16:40.57 | doub | Luca--: try "touch /root/test" |
| 16:40.59 | appaji | drac: Ah, then axelx123 might want to install that. |
| 16:41.03 | FieldySnuts | Alex: wrong person. |
| 16:41.09 | FieldySnuts | axelx123: what session? |
| 16:41.20 | Luca-- | touch: creating `/root/test': Read-only file system |
| 16:41.22 | Luca-- | is ro |
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| 16:41.26 | axelx123 | kde or other |
| 16:41.30 | doub | Luca--: otherwise, try 'mount -o remount,rw /dev/hda1 /' |
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| 16:41.35 | axelx123 | when i'm in terminal |
| 16:41.40 | doub | Luca--: or reboot |
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| 16:41.51 | FieldySnuts | start xdm or man startx |
| 16:41.54 | Luca-- | reboot, it doesn't sounds good |
| 16:41.59 | appaji | axelx123: startx |
| 16:42.06 | spac | no!!!!! reboot no!!!!!!! never!!!!!!!! :) |
| 16:42.18 | axelx123 | thanx alot i kiss You all! |
| 16:42.30 | appaji | dpkg, tell spac about !!! |
| 16:43.07 | FieldySnuts | !! |
| 16:43.07 | dpkg | I am not your damn csh prompt! |
| 16:43.12 | spac | sorry. |
| 16:43.17 | doub | Luca--: your current situation doesn't sound too good either. your call anyway |
| 16:43.35 | eeyore- | luca: what's the situation? |
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| 16:43.52 | Luca-- | my / fs is read only and i cannot mount it rw |
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| 16:44.10 | Luca-- | i tried umount and fscking but it fixed some errrors |
| 16:44.13 | eeyore- | luca: dmesg, you'll probably see that it's ro because of aborted journals |
| 16:44.19 | ricky_clarkson | Well, I came here complaining that Debian doesn't pick up my MP3 player but does pick up other devices. Well, it doesn't pick up other USB devices either. |
| 16:44.27 | eeyore- | luca: you can unmount, e2fsck, and remount (if it's aborted journals) |
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| 16:44.34 | eeyore- | luca: if it's reiserfs, you're screwed |
| 16:44.41 | jesperj | is there a package to make xmms able to play wma files? |
| 16:44.43 | appaji | ricky_clarkson: woody? sarge? sid? |
| 16:44.49 | ricky_clarkson | appaji: sid but a bit out of date. |
| 16:44.51 | appaji | jesperj: use mplayer :-) |
| 16:44.53 | Luca-- | eye69, i did it and it fixed some errors |
| 16:45.09 | jesperj | appaji, I like xmms |
| 16:45.09 | ricky_clarkson | appaji: I can't mount /dev/sda1 |
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| 16:45.33 | eeyore- | ricky_clarkson: you probably forgot to load the appropriate usb stack to get to your usb devices |
| 16:45.41 | Skaag | pure-ftp tells me this when I start it: 421 Unable to switch capabilities : Operation not permitted |
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| 16:45.43 | ricky_clarkson | eeyore-: What's that then? |
| 16:45.48 | eeyore- | ricky_clarkson: you need usbcore, usb-hcd/ecd, usb-storage and sd |
| 16:45.49 | gahan | is there a cd burning tool to record cdaudio directly from mp3 ? |
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| 16:46.06 | eeyore- | gahan: no |
| 16:46.19 | ricky_clarkson | eeyore-: Does usb-hcd/ecd mean both or either? |
| 16:46.19 | eeyore- | gahan: you have to make .wav file, adjust the wav file to fit CD requirements, then burn |
| 16:46.21 | appaji | ricky_clarkson: do you have usbcore, usbhid, uhci_hcd modules installed? |
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| 16:46.30 | Manel11463 | hi |
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| 16:46.37 | appaji | ricky_clarkson: before that, using a 2.6 kernel I suppose? |
| 16:46.41 | ricky_clarkson | 2.6 |
| 16:46.43 | eeyore- | ricky_clarkson: depends on your hardware. if you're gonna plug into usb2.0 then you need the ecd, i think |
| 16:46.49 | eeyore- | ricky_clarkson: you can load both, doesn't harm |
| 16:46.50 | Exerd_ | how do i copy everything in my cdrom to let say ~/exerd/music |
| 16:46.53 | gahan | eeyore-: whats the best to create .wav file which fits CD |
| 16:47.16 | eeyore- | gahan: i believe mpg321 has that option, check it |
| 16:47.21 | appaji | gahan: cdparanoia |
| 16:47.26 | ricky_clarkson | eeyore-: Loaded all, same problem. |
| 16:47.30 | doub | Exerd_: cp -a <cdrom mount point> <dest> |
| 16:47.35 | ricky_clarkson | mount: /dev/sda1 is not a valid block device |
| 16:47.38 | appaji | ricky_clarkson: what does lsusb say? |
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| 16:47.42 | eeyore- | ricky_clarkson: did you load "sd" ? |
| 16:47.55 | Exerd_ | doub, thank you! |
| 16:48.08 | eeyore- | ricky_clarkson: or sd_mod, whatever the case may be for you? (it's the scsi disk driver module) |
| 16:48.13 | drac | ricky_clarkson: modprobe vfat, mount -t vfat .. |
| 16:48.15 | ricky_clarkson | eeyore-: I installed sd |
| 16:48.37 | doub | Exerd_: beware that this might create files on your home with "execute" flag where it's often not appropriate |
| 16:48.39 | ricky_clarkson | drac: /dev/sda1 /usb1 vfat noauto,user 0 0 |
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| 16:48.47 | ricky_clarkson | modprobe vfat made no difference. |
| 16:48.48 | eeyore- | ricky_clarkson: and you also load "usb-storage" module? show me output of "lsmod" and "dmesg | tail -n 50", in /query eeyore- |
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| 16:49.04 | doub | Exerd_: that's because on cdrom, files are often considered all executable |
| 16:49.08 | if_ | how i can mount .iso or.bin file ? ;) |
| 16:49.11 | ricky_clarkson | eeyore-: I'd rather give you a URL if that's ok. |
| 16:49.15 | eeyore- | ricky_clarkson: sure |
| 16:49.17 | drac | ricky_clarkson: maybe it's 'ntfs' then? or try 'auto' |
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| 16:49.34 | ricky_clarkson | appaji: http://lavender.cime.net/~ricky/tmp/lsusb.txt |
| 16:49.37 | Manel11463 | Please the direction to lower iso to me of installation sarge debian amd64 as to es?perdonar my ingles but I speak Spanish |
| 16:49.37 | Exerd_ | doub, ok tnx i remove it after copy then! |
| 16:49.38 | nikanj | Hello. I have a small problem with sarge. I just installed it, selecting desktop-enviroment.. All is well, except my digicam doesn't work |
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| 16:49.47 | mrtoth | <PROTECTED> |
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| 16:50.07 | Bac9 | which manufacturer is the best for lcd displays these days? anything in particular I should look at or just wait a few more years? |
| 16:50.15 | nikanj | I plug it in, and I get a dialog asking if I want to import images. I click on import images, the dialog disappears but nothing happens |
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| 16:50.27 | ricky_clarkson | eeyore-: http://lavender.cime.net/~ricky/tmp/lsmod.txt and http://lavender.cime.net/~ricky/tmp/dmesg.txt |
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| 16:50.55 | ricky_clarkson | Manel11463: #debian-es |
| 16:51.01 | nikanj | Can someone give me a hint? |
| 16:51.12 | primoz | <PROTECTED> |
| 16:51.12 | Manel11463 | oki merci ricky_clarkson |
| 16:51.46 | jesperj | so howcome there is no xmms-wma plugin for debian? |
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| 16:51.53 | ricky_clarkson | drac: auto makes no difference. |
| 16:51.55 | eeyore- | ricky_clarkson: didn't you notice the kernel oops? |
| 16:52.07 | appaji | primoz: / is // :-) |
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| 16:52.18 | if_ | mrtoth, killall -9 pppd .... pon dsl-provider |
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| 16:52.19 | ricky_clarkson | eeyore-: Where? |
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| 16:52.37 | eeyore- | ricky_clarkson: i'm not blaming it on kernel oops, but once you get it, your kernel is probably screwed anyway? see output of dmesg |
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| 16:52.48 | eeyore- | ricky_clarkson: is this a usb2.0 device? |
| 16:52.48 | ricky_clarkson | eeyore-: "irq 9 nobody cared" |
| 16:52.49 | ricky_clarkson | ? |
| 16:52.55 | ricky_clarkson | eeyore-: Dunno. |
| 16:53.10 | Luca-- | i have this on dmesg EXT3-fs error (device hda1) in start_transaction: Journal has aborted |
| 16:53.12 | ricky_clarkson | So I should probably reboot, do you think? |
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| 16:53.27 | tz273 | if_: that didn't help. |
| 16:53.31 | ricky_clarkson | I suppose that's likely to fix it anyway, as it used to work and I haven't changed anything (afaik). |
| 16:53.35 | eeyore- | ricky_clarkson: do you know for a fact that your usb device uses usb-storage protocol to communicate? not all mp3 players are like that |
| 16:53.40 | if_ | than i dunno |
| 16:53.58 | ricky_clarkson | eeyore-: It works on someone's Windows machine, and other devices that used to work here work on the other machine still. |
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| 16:54.08 | appaji | ricky_clarkson: what is 'cat /etc/fstab | grep usb' ? |
| 16:54.20 | ricky_clarkson | /dev/sda1 /usb1 auto noauto,user 0 0 |
| 16:54.29 | eeyore- | ricky_clarkson: well, generally speaking if it's usb-storage, then you just have to modprobe that module, along with sd_mod and it *should* show up as *a* scsi disk. may not be sda, may be sdb, etc. |
| 16:54.40 | ricky_clarkson | eeyore-: Show up where? |
| 16:54.44 | eeyore- | ricky_clarkson: cat /proc/scsi/scsi should show you whether your kernel recognizes any scsi device |
| 16:54.53 | ricky_clarkson | None. |
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| 16:55.13 | eeyore- | ricky_clarkson: well then, kernel doesn't believe you have any scsi device :-) |
| 16:55.16 | ricky_clarkson | <PROTECTED> |
| 16:55.20 | appaji | ricky_clarkson: mount /proc/bus/usb with usbfs |
| 16:55.33 | Exerd_ | doub, cp -a /media/cdrom0 /home/exerd/ljud/mp3 when i did that command it copied it to /home/exerd/ljud/mp3/cdrom0 |
| 16:55.35 | ircdevil | heh, spam seems to be under control. now the inbox is only flooded be mailing-lists :o) |
| 16:55.46 | Exerd_ | doub, i dont whant the cdrom0folder to be there |
| 16:56.00 | ricky_clarkson | appaji: I don't understand that. |
| 16:56.04 | eeyore- | yes! yes!!!! yes!!!!! binutils 2.16 fixed my bootstraping problem under solaris. i'm a happy camper |
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| 16:56.08 | ricky_clarkson | ricky@ricky:~$ mount /proc/bus/usb |
| 16:56.09 | ricky_clarkson | mount: according to mtab, usbfs is already mounted on /proc/bus/usb |
| 16:56.15 | appaji | dpkg, tell eeyore- about !! |
| 16:56.26 | wpostma | just installed websvn (Subversion web interface) into Apache 1.3, and I'm getting a 403 Forbidden when I try to access http://localhost/websvn. I'm not an Apache/PHP expert, I'm hoping it's not hard to get websvn working. (This is a Sarge system.) |
| 16:56.31 | eeyore- | appaji: what!!!!!! |
| 16:56.38 | appaji | dpkg, tell eeyore- about !! |
| 16:56.39 | doub | Exerd_: you can prevent it from happening again by using /media/cdrom0/* |
| 16:56.40 | appaji | hehe ;) |
| 16:56.44 | ricky_clarkson | !ircspeak woohoo |
| 16:56.44 | dpkg | jejejeje woohoo rofl!!!111!!!!111oneone |
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| 16:56.59 | doub | Exerd_: but for now, go to the destination, then 'mv cdrom0/* . && rmdir cdrom0 |
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| 16:57.15 | doub | Exerd_: if you see what i mean |
| 16:57.24 | eeyore- | ricky_clarkson: well, it still boils down to "kernel doesn't believe you have scsi device", if nothing shows in /proc/scsi/scsi |
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| 16:57.44 | Exerd_ | doub, like this? cp -a /media/cdrom0* /home/exerd/ljud/mp3 |
| 16:57.44 | eeyore- | ricky_clarkson: i suppose you could run rescan-scsi-bus.sh |
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| 16:58.08 | appaji | ricky_clarkson: cat /proc/bus/usb/devices and see if your device is listed there. |
| 16:58.55 | doub | Exerd_: no /media/cdrom0/* . it means: copy the contents of cdrom0 directory. what you say is "copy any file or directory which name begins with cdrom0" |
| 16:59.20 | if_ | wpostma, check permissions of folders and configure your apache! |
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| 16:59.51 | doub | Exerd_: you might be interrested in the "unix essentials" howto you can find on tldp.org |
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| 16:59.58 | if_ | wpostma, /etc/apache/httpd.conf is your best friend |
| 17:00.13 | ricky_clarkson | eeyore-: What/where's that? |
| 17:00.23 | maher | i've just done a woody->sarge upgrade and aptitude is taking ages readin gits extended state info - is this normal? |
| 17:00.24 | eeyore- | ricky_clarkson: google for rescan-scsi-bus.sh |
| 17:00.40 | ricky_clarkson | appaji: No, only 3 USB controllers. |
| 17:00.45 | ricky_clarkson | [this is an MP3 player] |
| 17:01.16 | ricky_clarkson | !ricky_clarkson memory is google for rescan-scsi-bus.sh |
| 17:01.16 | dpkg | ricky_clarkson: okay |
| 17:01.26 | Luca-- | Anybody think if i came back to ext2 i can save the problem? EXT3-fs error (device hda1) in start_transaction: Journal has aborted |
| 17:01.35 | appaji | ricky_clarkson: tail -f /var/log/messages when you plug in the mp3 player and when you unplug it. |
| 17:01.37 | wpostma | if_, the php folder userid/groupid and the httpd.conf configuration are okay already. |
| 17:01.54 | maher | Luca--: yes - try mounting as ext2 and seei fit works |
| 17:02.14 | appaji | ricky_clarkson: then, take the device id (format = abcd:wxyz) and google for it. |
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| 17:02.18 | wpostma | this is debian, so apache likes to serve files with userid of www-data. Thus I'm stumped. :-) |
| 17:02.28 | ricky_clarkson | appaji: Lots of entries like this: May 5 17:48:02 ricky -- MARK -- |
| 17:02.32 | eeyore- | wpostma: what's the problem? |
| 17:02.34 | Luca-- | i cannot reboot too. |
| 17:02.35 | appaji | ricky_clarkson: I think this device may not be supported. |
| 17:02.39 | eeyore- | wpostma: be specific |
| 17:02.43 | ricky_clarkson | appaji: I think my kernel is fucked. |
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| 17:02.48 | appaji | ricky_clarkson: lots of entries like that when you plug and unplug? |
| 17:02.54 | if_ | hm wpostma check your websvn permissions |
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| 17:02.56 | Luca-- | what's the syntax? |
| 17:02.56 | ricky_clarkson | appaji: No, those are older. |
| 17:03.01 | appaji | ricky_clarkson: using your own kernel or a stock debian kernel? |
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| 17:03.07 | ricky_clarkson | A stock Debian kernel. |
| 17:03.15 | ricky_clarkson | Linux ricky 2.6.5-1-686 #5 Fri Apr 30 20:26:13 EST 2004 i686 GNU/Linux |
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| 17:03.20 | AdrianLP | I'm using KDE (from testing) with an AMD xp1800+ processor and 256mb ram, but its very slow (programs open slowly, menus are slow to open, etc). Is KDE just slow? I even find it far slower than my WinXP box. |
| 17:03.20 | eeyore- | does anybody here know why i should use dwarf2 debugging format vs. say, stabs? |
| 17:03.23 | ricky_clarkson | [yes, I called my machine ricky] |
| 17:03.26 | wpostma | I'm getting a 403 error accessing a PHP module. Afaik, debian's packages installed wsvn (websvn) properly, all the files look great, but I get a 403 error accessing http://localhost/websvn. |
| 17:03.27 | drac | ricky_clarkson: Such an old kernel, and sid? |
| 17:03.38 | ricky_clarkson | drac: Like I said, it's a bit out of date. |
| 17:03.40 | if_ | wpostma, when you open only http://localhost/ what happens ? |
| 17:03.41 | maher | Luca--: mount -o remount |
| 17:03.50 | eeyore- | Adrian: no, shouldn't be THAT slow, esp since xp1800+ is no slouch |
| 17:03.51 | appaji | ricky_clarkson: do you think you want to install discover and check for the device id when you plug/unplug the device? |
| 17:04.02 | Luca-- | yes, yes, but can i modify it to et2 if it is etx3? |
| 17:04.03 | appaji | ricky_clarkson: also, as drac said, you should upgrade your kernel :-) |
| 17:04.12 | eeyore- | AdrianLP: do you have a number of whiz-bang kde effects? translucency? how's your X's performance? |
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| 17:04.35 | dambodog | i know this is not #exim but it seems like everyone is alseep there - my question is: when i try to send out an email to root locally - i always get an error because exim automatically adds the @ sign at the end - so each "hi" | mail root -- i get an error refused relay (host) to <root@localhost> from <> H=smtphostname (smtp.somedomain.com) [10.0.1.15] |
| 17:04.43 | AdrianLP | eeyore-: I haven't manually turned on transparency. I'm not sure how I would rate X's performance. |
| 17:04.48 | wpostma | if_, that works fine. I get my index.html. |
| 17:04.55 | eeyore- | wpostma: did you read /var/log/apache/*error* |
| 17:05.00 | jesperj | I think Debian should include a xmms-wma deb |
| 17:05.00 | ricky_clarkson | appaji: discover doesn't see anything new when I plug it in. |
| 17:05.04 | maher | Luca--: -t ext2 |
| 17:05.06 | jesperj | though I successfully installed from source |
| 17:05.09 | jesperj | just my opinion |
| 17:05.24 | eeyore- | AdrianLP: i haven't used kde in a long time, but last time i used it was on athlon 1.2GHz thunderbird, pretty fast |
| 17:05.27 | _if|afk | wpostma, so... edit your httpd.conf |
| 17:05.32 | appaji | ricky_clarkson: do you have usbutils installed? |
| 17:05.34 | drac | jesperj: ..to support Microsoft Windows Media Audio? :P |
| 17:05.35 | maher | jesperj: marillat probably does |
| 17:05.40 | sepski | dambodog, makesure localhost is in your domain list |
| 17:05.41 | _if|afk | and remove # (define symbol) for AddType ... for php4.xx |
| 17:06.06 | jesperj | drac, yes lol. People who got songs in wma wants to play them. |
| 17:06.16 | jesperj | maher, what is marillat? |
| 17:06.21 | wpostma | I get an error in error.log, "directory index forbidden by rule: /var/www/websvn/" |
| 17:06.21 | _if|afk | wpostma, then restart your apache web server and check again :) |
| 17:06.26 | ricky_clarkson | People who have songs in wma format want to reencode them. |
| 17:06.26 | appaji | oops. |
| 17:06.30 | nikanj | AdrianLP: Windows XP is from 2001, Kde is from 2005. So maybe there is a difference in system requirements on default settings. You should reduce eye-candy from the control-center |
| 17:06.44 | jesperj | ty maher |
| 17:06.47 | AdrianLP | nikanj: I'll look into that. |
| 17:07.01 | drac | jesperj: /msg dpkg marillat, you'll also find mplayer/mencoder there, to convert those .wma's to whatever you want. |
| 17:07.10 | _if|afk | wpostma, paste at /query _if|afk 'cd /var/www/' && 'ls -la' |
| 17:07.14 | appaji | ricky_clarkson: apt-get install usbutils usbmgr usbmount |
| 17:07.25 | wpostma | Stupid me, I thought the url http://localhost/websvn would bring it up, but it needs http://localhost/websvn/index.php.. :-( |
| 17:07.35 | ricky_clarkson | usbmount: Depends: udev (>= 0.053-1) but it is not going to be installed |
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| 17:07.49 | nikanj | AdrianLP: 256 isn't that much of ram, many people have that much on their videocard alone. You should consider buying some more |
| 17:07.51 | jesperj | drac, if my (portable) mp3 player used ogg instead I would use ogg for all my mp3s ;P |
| 17:07.54 | cadu | AdrianLP: KDE is somewhat bloated :) you should consider using a light'er WM for blazing fast performance |
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| 17:08.01 | _if|afk | wpostma, check in your httpd.conf and find for 'DirectoryIndex' and add index.php ;] |
| 17:08.01 | jesperj | I hope there will be cheap ogg players soon |
| 17:08.03 | dambodog | sepski, i get the following error - ** root@ R=smart_route T=remote_smtp: SMTP error from remote mailer after RCPT TO:<root@>: host smtphostname [10.0.1.15]: 501 Bad address syntax |
| 17:08.03 | AdrianLP | Also, I have a printer installed under Debian. Until this morning it worked fine as a print server for other machines. I can still print locally, but as of today other machines can no longer "see" the printer as to install it (they can still ping the print server machine though). What might cause this? |
| 17:08.05 | cadu | AdrianLP: 256 will do fine with WindowMaker or XFCE.... |
| 17:08.06 | appaji | ricky_clarkson: apt-get update |
| 17:08.06 | ricky_clarkson | jesperj: Why don't you use mp3 then? |
| 17:08.11 | ricky_clarkson | appaji: I just did that. |
| 17:08.19 | jesperj | ricky_clarkson, I do use mp3 |
| 17:08.22 | cadu | AdrianLP: but kde itself is a memory eater :D all that useless eyecandy just eats up memory |
| 17:08.26 | ricky_clarkson | jesperj: So what's this about wma? |
| 17:08.35 | maher | AdrianLP: what did you change |
| 17:08.37 | jesperj | ricky_clarkson, umm, I got songs in wma also? |
| 17:08.44 | AdrianLP | nikanj cadu: KDE seems ligher than the effects I run under XP though, and XP isn't as laggy. |
| 17:08.49 | ricky_clarkson | jesperj: Reencode them. |
| 17:08.55 | ricky_clarkson | WMA is fucking awful. |
| 17:08.56 | lctrkid | is "lucent/agere orinoco gold classic" supported by kismet ? |
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| 17:09.06 | doub | ricky_clarkson: that would lower quality again |
| 17:09.11 | jesperj | ricky_clarkson, besides being non-free, awful how? |
| 17:09.13 | AdrianLP | maher: Nothing that I'm aware of. I haven't even run apt today. I've just been working on HTML and PHP files for a client. |
| 17:09.15 | ricky_clarkson | No, I meant reencode from the original source. |
| 17:09.18 | ricky_clarkson | jesperj: The sound. |
| 17:09.18 | sepski | dambodog, no clue about that. |
| 17:09.21 | Luca-- | rebooting it worked |
| 17:09.23 | doub | ricky_clarkson: but i agree on the idea |
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| 17:09.40 | ricky_clarkson | jesperj: You know how tinned soup can taste metallic? |
| 17:09.40 | cadu | AdrianLP: well..try XFCE or WindowMaker or Blackbox, they're awesome windowmanagers...and they have a really small footprint...leaving most of your memory free for actual work :D |
| 17:09.49 | AdrianLP | Maybe I'll use Blackbox. I recall liking that. |
| 17:09.51 | felipe-rs | brazil |
| 17:09.57 | felipe-rs | alguem |
| 17:10.01 | jesperj | if i understand correctly mp3's are as bad as wma's patent-wise |
| 17:10.02 | felipe-rs | not |
| 17:10.04 | ricky_clarkson | !portugues |
| 17:10.06 | ricky_clarkson | !portuguese |
| 17:10.06 | dpkg | hmm... portuguese is the most beautiful idiom of the world, or #debian-br, or por favor use #debian-br para ajuda em portugues. |
| 17:10.09 | felipe-rs | sim |
| 17:10.10 | cadu | felipe-rs: eu...mas vai pro #debian-br |
| 17:10.17 | maher | AdrianLP: how do you share the printer? |
| 17:10.19 | nikanj | That really depends on what you're doing. Eclipse alone hogs way over 100 megs with larger projects, then add openoffice and firefox -> swapswapswap.. |
| 17:10.20 | cadu | felipe-rs: lá é o canal específico |
| 17:10.22 | felipe-rs | ok |
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| 17:10.26 | felipe-rs | aleu |
| 17:10.27 | jesperj | ricky_clarkson, I'm not a soup-kindof guy but I understand. I havn't noticed that much of a difference in sound quality though |
| 17:10.30 | cadu | ricky_clarkson: :D |
| 17:10.31 | felipe-rs | auhauhauhauha |
| 17:10.34 | felipe-rs | to bem loco |
| 17:10.42 | ricky_clarkson | jesperj: Well, WMAs are like tinned soup. They sound metallic. |
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| 17:10.47 | AdrianLP | maher: Samba. |
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| 17:10.55 | cadu | ricky_clarkson: hell yeah ! OGG is sooo better ! |
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| 17:11.07 | ricky_clarkson | I don't know the sound difference between MP3 and OGG. |
| 17:11.09 | furrywolf | !start a format war |
| 17:11.20 | ricky_clarkson | But both OGG and MP3 knock the socks off WMA. |
| 17:11.22 | cg0def | I can't seem to get my marvel yukon to work |
| 17:11.23 | jesperj | ...and, will reencoding a song that has been encoded in wma bring "back" the quality? |
| 17:11.24 | cadu | well |
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| 17:11.27 | cg0def | what module do I need? |
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| 17:11.28 | cadu | OGG and MP3 sound very well |
| 17:11.31 | jesperj | it's not ruined once it has been encoded to wma? |
| 17:11.33 | ricky_clarkson | jesperj: Only if you reencode from the original source. |
| 17:11.33 | cadu | but you need higher bitrates on MP3 |
| 17:11.39 | jesperj | thought so |
| 17:11.41 | Delph | jesperj: no; it was ruined when you encoded to wma. |
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| 17:12.04 | maher | AdrianLP: i don' tknow much about samba - does the printer show up in smbclient -L nameofbox? |
| 17:12.04 | cadu | can you stream good quality stereo content with mp3 @ 64kbps ? no...with ogg the sound is nice :D |
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| 17:12.12 | doub | jesperj: of course it's ruined, how can destructive compression allow you to reconstruct the original? |
| 17:12.22 | doub | jesperj: reencoding only worsens quality |
| 17:12.35 | jesperj | doub, what might be obvious to you isn't tp everyone. |
| 17:12.36 | cadu | consider using FLAC :D |
| 17:12.40 | jesperj | yo |
| 17:13.00 | jesperj | you |
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| 17:13.12 | jesperj | Thank you for the answers though |
| 17:13.23 | AdrianLP | maher: Ummm ... no, doesn't seem too. |
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| 17:13.35 | wpostma | _if|afk, thanks. |
| 17:13.36 | jesperj | god damnit. I'm expressing myself like a 2 year old today. Excuse me |
| 17:13.37 | nikanj | cg0def: sk98lin works with the yukon on my sn95g5 |
| 17:13.39 | maher | AdrianLP: check you samba config |
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| 17:13.59 | doub | jesperj: i don't mean to hurt. but having a 50 mb wav file turned to a 5 mb encoded file means something was lost along the way |
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| 17:14.33 | ricky_clarkson | jesperj: Suppose I make a drawing in pencil of the Mona Lisa. Can you then take that drawing and get back to the original painting without knowing what the original painting looked like? |
| 17:14.34 | AdrianLP | maher: Looking at it now, looks as I remember it. |
| 17:14.34 | doub | jesperj: non-destructive compression only achieves a 1:2 ratio, not 1:10 |
| 17:14.44 | cadu | jesperj: if you really wanta a lossless .. use flac :D |
| 17:14.47 | furrywolf | doub: I've bz2's wavs and had a 1:10 ratio... |
| 17:14.56 | maher | AdrianLP: if the samba config looks ok try restarting samba |
| 17:14.57 | cadu | furrywolf: yeah |
| 17:14.59 | cadu | happens |
| 17:15.05 | AdrianLP | maher: Ya, doing that now. |
| 17:15.06 | jesperj | doub, I understand that. |
| 17:15.21 | furrywolf | of course, they were mostly very quiet and had long pauses, with very little actual content. :) |
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| 17:15.24 | cg0def | nikanj: that is exactly the name that I was trying to recall thanks |
| 17:15.37 | jesperj | ricky_clarkson, I get you. |
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| 17:15.46 | cg0def | nikanj: forcedeth should work as well since it is an nforce board but doesn't for some reason |
| 17:15.51 | doub | furrywolf: on a CD quality wav file filled with non-reccuring sound? |
| 17:16.02 | furrywolf | doub: that's a lot less likely. :) |
| 17:16.05 | jesperj | cadu, flac... ok |
| 17:16.12 | jesperj | ty |
| 17:16.25 | derflo | could someone kick Error? |
| 17:16.48 | AdrianLP | maher: Restarting Samba seems to have gotten it. I wonder why. |
| 17:16.54 | furrywolf | derflo: umm. be a bit more specific as to why. |
| 17:16.59 | stew | derflo: nobody would without a reason |
| 17:17.04 | derflo | he told me how to get pornos |
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| 17:17.15 | derflo | just when i entered |
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| 17:17.22 | maher | AdrianLP: some weird bug in samba probably |
| 17:17.28 | stew | !ops Error onjoin spam |
| 17:17.29 | dpkg | Hydroxide, bob2, caphuso, dondelelcaro, doogie, eeyore-, ElectricElf, greycat, helix, ljlane, LoRez, mentor, Netsnipe, TML, walters, xk: Error onjoin spam |
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| 17:17.51 | eeyore- | helix++ |
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| 17:18.32 | helix | don't touch me |
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| 17:18.36 | derflo | thanks |
| 17:18.37 | ricky_clarkson | From a distance. |
| 17:18.38 | furrywolf | lol |
| 17:20.06 | eeyore- | AdrianLP: i'm on gnome, if that means anything |
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| 17:20.15 | phaedral | hi all |
| 17:20.31 | AdrianLP | eeyore-: Hmmm, that was out of the blue. Perhaps I missed something you said just previous <reads back> |
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| 17:20.38 | doub | eeyore-: that means *many* things |
| 17:20.39 | eeyore- | AdrianLP: KDE :-) |
| 17:20.44 | phaedral | anyone have a favorite dyndns updater to recommend? |
| 17:20.56 | AdrianLP | eeyore-: Ah, regarding the speed of desktops. |
| 17:20.56 | EdibleText | ddclient |
| 17:21.02 | doub | !tell phaedral about polls |
| 17:21.05 | EdibleText | phaedral, ^^ |
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| 17:21.12 | phaedral | doub: touche; |
| 17:21.22 | eeyore- | AdrianLP: right. gnome 2.10, gentoo. oops. did i say gentoo? ok. i did :-) (still have debian around here somewhere) |
| 17:21.26 | AdrianLP | eeyore-: I only use KDE really cause it simplifies printer install/management, and gives me great tools like kview, and things like that. |
| 17:21.42 | eeyore- | AdrianLP: CUPS is your friend |
| 17:21.47 | phaedral | wasn't actually looking for a poll so much as personal recommendations |
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| 17:22.04 | EdibleText | !info ddclient |
| 17:22.06 | dpkg | ddclient: (Update dynamic IP address at DynDNS.org), section net, is extra. Version: 3.6.2-3.1 (sid), Packaged size: 41 kB, Installed size: 151 kB |
| 17:22.13 | eeyore- | phaedral: don't have one. my connection is always on |
| 17:22.19 | EdibleText | whats not to love |
| 17:22.23 | krystail | can you remind me how to redirect errors "2>&1" stuff ... |
| 17:22.25 | phaedral | EdibleText: thanks muchly |
| 17:22.31 | ricky_clarkson | krystail: 2>&1 |
| 17:22.39 | AdrianLP | eeyore-: Ya, but the control panel simplified the use of CUPS. I was reading on CUPS site on how to install printers, and I found the docs really long and confusing. KDE made it dead simple and straightforward. |
| 17:23.00 | eeyore- | AdrianLP: what's wrong with http://localhost:631 ? |
| 17:23.18 | asg | krystail: man $SHELL ; /REDIRECTION |
| 17:23.23 | krystail | ricky_clarkson, it doesn't work ... when i try to compile with "make 2>&1 test.txt", it says no rules to make tets.txt |
| 17:23.32 | krystail | asg, good |
| 17:23.42 | furrywolf | kde made it dead simple? I was trying to set up a relative's box, and for some reason localhost:631 wouldn't work, so I tried kde's printer control panel thing... worthless piece of crap. ended up using gnome's and it worked perfectly. |
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| 17:24.02 | stouset | furrywolf: /agree. GNOME's add print dialog is hella easy. |
| 17:24.04 | ricky_clarkson | krystail: The redirect goes after the command and its arguments. |
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| 17:24.12 | AdrianLP | eeyore-: I ran into troubles with it. Its been so long, I don't recall exactly what happened. Likely an error where I expected none or some such. |
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| 17:24.16 | wpostma | furrywolf, I'm of the opinion that CUPS is way to complicated. Me and ESR agree on that one. :-) |
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| 17:24.37 | phaedral | heya furrywolf |
| 17:24.38 | nikanj | cg0def: No, it shouldn't. forcedeth is for the lan-controller integrated with nforce chipset, not for any motherboard that has nforce and lan |
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| 17:24.44 | AdrianLP | eeyore-: Granted, I've upgraded several times since then. |
| 17:24.47 | furrywolf | wpostma: I have 4 printers on this computer, 2 on the other, and a pile in the garage I could plug in if I need to... CUPS made it easy. :P |
| 17:24.49 | ricky_clarkson | Super_Cat_Frog: IRC as root is a bit docile. |
| 17:24.52 | _if|afk | wpostma, for nothing :) |
| 17:24.55 | EdibleText | !esr |
| 17:24.55 | dpkg | esr is probably a very clever Linux d00d with lots of very interesting philosophical and political texts. a guy who has some ideas about guns and who can't figure out CUPS. The geezer who wrote Cathedral and Bazaar.. Eric S. Raymond, or somebody whose sgeigerbot's computer thinks about when it boots: "ESR value before enabling vector: 00000000" |
| 17:25.02 | stouset | wpostma: ESR only said that the current frontends suck |
| 17:25.25 | EdibleText | that cracks me up. |
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| 17:25.29 | wpostma | Basically, yeah. But configuring CUPS via text editor sucks also. :-) |
| 17:25.35 | stouset | Indeed. |
| 17:25.37 | nikanj | yast is a nice frontend for cups configuration ;) |
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| 17:25.39 | furrywolf | hrmm. that facotid is a little off. he may have lots of interesting philosophical and political texts, but he has more guns. :P |
| 17:25.41 | asg | printing is so last century |
| 17:25.59 | ricky_clarkson | I agree, but my students still want paper copies of some stuff. |
| 17:26.05 | stouset | Paper? |
| 17:26.07 | stouset | *blank stare* |
| 17:26.07 | asg | ricky_clarkson: I understand |
| 17:26.08 | krystail | ricky_clarkson, all right |
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| 17:26.15 | stouset | What is this..."paper"...you speak of? |
| 17:26.18 | krystail | ricky_clarkson, thanks |
| 17:26.23 | eeyore- | ricky_clarkson: "my students"? |
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| 17:26.27 | wpostma | Because of the lousy inkjet driver for my inkjet, I have to keep WIndoze around to print decent quality photos etc. :-( |
| 17:26.42 | asg | eeyore-: he's been teaching for a bit now |
| 17:26.43 | ricky_clarkson | eeyore-: What's wrong? |
| 17:26.47 | furrywolf | heh. I always gave my assignments on the class web site. if they wanted to print it, they of course could, but I don't think anyone ever did. |
| 17:26.54 | wpostma | Next inkjet I buy, I'll find out who has good Linux photo-quality support. |
| 17:27.01 | eeyore- | ricky_clarkson: nothing. i just didn't think a "teacher" would frequent IRC :-> |
| 17:27.02 | ricky_clarkson | furrywolf: "We don't have any print credit left." |
| 17:27.08 | furrywolf | wpostma: epson |
| 17:27.11 | AdrianLP | A friend of mine uses PLWM, would anyone recommend [against] it? |
| 17:27.17 | ricky_clarkson | eeyore-: I never thought a donkey would, but there you go. |
| 17:27.22 | Super_Cat_Frog | i was logged in as not root, but i did sudo bash to do some stuff, then forgot to do exit before running irc. i should write a 'script' like i had in gentoo to su to a user called irc and log in for me |
| 17:27.24 | eeyore- | ricky_clarkson: i suppose |
| 17:27.25 | nikanj | If only one day you could file official documents without the signature on dead wood. |
| 17:27.27 | Super_Cat_Frog | anyway.... |
| 17:27.28 | asg | AdrianLP: if it works great. |
| 17:27.41 | AdrianLP | asg: I'm just wondering how nice it is to use. |
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| 17:27.45 | Super_Cat_Frog | can anybody tell me how to make my mouse not act like its on speed in X? |
| 17:27.45 | AdrianLP | ...more or less. |
| 17:27.59 | furrywolf | wpostma: epson with gimp-print is beautiful. looks quite a bit better than the windows drivers, even. and epsons use nice piezeoelectric print heads which last forever, unlike HP/etc where you have the printhead built in the cartridge... |
| 17:28.01 | eeyore- | asg: i've not been here for some time :-) |
| 17:28.09 | asg | eeyore-: I know, how have you been? |
| 17:28.16 | eeyore- | Super_Cat_Frog: wrong protocol? |
| 17:28.34 | stouset | Where do you guys teach at? Wish I had a teacher that knew Debian. I think only one teacher in our entire Computer Science...excuse me, I mean Programming...department realizes that Linux exists. |
| 17:28.37 | Super_Cat_Frog | eeyore - its not really really fast and its fine in gentoo, its just too fast for me |
| 17:28.41 | eeyore- | asg: pretty good. not as much shit to put up with since acquisition. mainly because i report to different people now (and saner people, mind you) |
| 17:28.42 | asg | Super_Cat_Frog: if you have a 2.6 kernel and there are two mouse definitions in /etc/X11/XF86Config, remove one. |
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| 17:28.52 | asg | eeyore-: ah, good for that then :) |
| 17:28.53 | Super_Cat_Frog | asg - ok ta |
| 17:28.53 | nikanj | furrywolf: On the other hand, with hp's you can safely refill the cartiges. If you get bad ink and ruin the heads, you can just buy a new cartige |
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| 17:28.54 | ricky_clarkson | stouset: www.salford.ac.uk |
| 17:29.02 | asg | Super_Cat_Frog: also, man xset |
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| 17:29.25 | EdibleText | I took a class on linux.. and wound up teaching the class.. what a gyp. At least I got an A |
| 17:29.27 | eeyore- | Super_Cat_Frog: set sensivity in your desktop, or in your x config file |
| 17:29.38 | nikanj | stouset: What kind of a toy school is that? |
| 17:29.56 | furrywolf | stouset: I taught (past tense) an introductory CE class... assembly programming, both on a simulator and on little microcontroller boards. got fired when the department wanted to turn the class into a good-little-robot training camp instead of an interesting educational experience, and I told the department head just where he could put his new course outline... |
| 17:30.03 | nikanj | Our cs-department is basicly all linux, but it kinda figures as Linus used to study here.. |
| 17:30.13 | furrywolf | nikanj: if you manage to ruin an epson print head, that would be quite an accomplishment. :P |
| 17:30.13 | stouset | Hehe. |
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| 17:30.44 | nikanj | furrywolf: I have horrible computer-karma. I can ruin it just by looking at it |
| 17:31.01 | stouset | I was looking forward to going to GA Tech next year, and then I heard they fired Greenlea. He was one of the more widely-known CS teachers there. The administration told him he needed to stop failing half of his classes, and he told them that half of his classes didn't know the material =P |
| 17:31.09 | EdibleText | nikanj, the force is strong withen you.. |
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| 17:31.18 | eeyore- | furrywolf: my epson printer has been off for some time and i think the gunk has hardened ... i can try to clean the printhead but man, that takes a LOT of ink (expensive!) and it's still not clean |
| 17:31.19 | stouset | From my experiences at Kennesaw State University, I'd say it's more like 90%. |
| 17:31.20 | furrywolf | nikanj: I've done things like soak them in alcohol, force alcohol through them, etc, and still haven't ruined one. :) |
| 17:31.29 | asg | stouset: and that's being optimistic |
| 17:31.33 | eeyore- | furrywolf: looks like i might have to disassemble it and alcohol-wipe it or something |
| 17:31.52 | eeyore- | furrywolf: "head cleaning" should be renamed "ink flushing" |
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| 17:32.20 | furrywolf | eeyore-: run a print-head cleaning cycle, and every time it moves the print head away from park, pour alcohol onto the cleaning pads. let it sit overnight. do a nozzle test the next day. repeat until all nozzles work. |
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| 17:32.44 | EdibleText | just dont smoke |
| 17:32.55 | stouset | asg: No kidding. I had to teach someone the difference between relative and absolute directory paths in a senior level course. And the person was utterly incapable of understanding it. No matter how I tried to explain it, I could not get the concept across. I even tried an analogy of "Pretend you're driving to here from your house. Now pretend you're driving here from halfway. How are the directions going to be different?" |
| 17:33.02 | eeyore- | furrywolf: with the ink carts off? (i'm down to 50% after a few cycles) |
| 17:33.23 | asg | stouset: eep, that's sad. |
| 17:33.25 | furrywolf | eeyore: no, with them in. it usually only takes 1-2 cleaning cycles that way. |
| 17:33.26 | eeyore- | stouset: he needs a different line of persuit |
| 17:33.45 | wpostma | stouset, some people fundamentally lack the capability for certainf forms of mental abstraction. |
| 17:33.50 | furrywolf | stouset: I had to teach some senior CS students how to do a merge sort. and I had to explain it on the whiteboard with pretty pictures for them to get it... |
| 17:33.53 | stouset | eeyore-: I agree wholeheartedly. But CS enrollments are dropping, so they pass people who shouldn't be. |
| 17:33.59 | stouset | furrywolf: LOL |
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| 17:34.26 | eeyore- | furrywolf: i like the parallel-computing demo of "spaghetti-sort" :-> |
| 17:34.31 | furrywolf | somehow they were graduating people who couldn't understand recursion... |
| 17:34.37 | asg | eeyore-: with meatballs |
| 17:34.42 | ricky_clarkson | stouset: Yes, I think it's better to sack the staff than to drag in useless students. |
| 17:35.03 | stouset | This one is almost as good. We were discussing the implementation of data structures in a junior level course (which is surprising to me, because I did that in my freaking high school...). Some kid raised his hand and asked why do queues et al need to be implemented? Why can't you just define a type of queue and have it work? |
| 17:35.08 | wpostma | furrywolf, CS departments have turned into "VB Programmer Factories". |
| 17:35.22 | asg | wpostma: or applets for dummies |
| 17:35.35 | Wanderer | hmmm |
| 17:35.39 | ricky_clarkson | I 'refactored' a Java module to take out applets. |
| 17:35.47 | Wanderer | anyone REAL familair with either /proc or "lshw" ? |
| 17:35.47 | eeyore- | stouset: that's a perfectly valid question. why *do* you have to have implementations for these data structures as opposed to have them built into the language? |
| 17:35.53 | maher | stouset: you should have answered why do programs need to be written, why not just define a type: program |
| 17:35.54 | ricky_clarkson | Applets are so stupid. Flash is much better for most things. |
| 17:36.05 | stouset | eeyore-: No, he was meaning it in the sense that maher says |
| 17:36.19 | EdibleText | !wayttd Wanderer |
| 17:36.20 | dpkg | What Are You Trying To Do, Wanderer? |
| 17:36.26 | stouset | eeyore-: He didn't understand that at *some point* you have to define the rules that lay out how a data structure acts. |
| 17:36.44 | eeyore- | stouset: ah |
| 17:36.46 | ricky_clarkson | stouset: You do?! |
| 17:36.48 | Wanderer | Edible: trying to find the serial # and model of my IBM |
| 17:36.49 | Lee__ | running m-a prepare for the first time warns me that I have unconfigured kernel source. does this matter if I'm only building modules? using sid. |
| 17:37.09 | furrywolf | they wanted to do that to my class.... I gave very little homework, and interesting assignments that required thinking. they wanted to replace it with a completely watered down class (1/10th the material or so), with ridiculous amounts of homework. and not just normal homework, but blatant busywork. "Do this, now do it 50 more times with different numbers" type work. |
| 17:37.11 | BACbKA | With the 2.6.8 kernel my system would occasionally hang (grinding interrupts and become virtually non-responsive). A cure is to boot with acpi=off. I have a GenuineIntel Pentium(R) 4 CPU 2.60GHz fpu vme de pse tsc msr pae mce cx8 apic sep mtrr pge mca cmovpat pse36 clflush dts acpi mmx fxsr sse sse2 ss ht tm pbe cid, hyperthreading disabled, sarge system, kernel-img v.2.6.8-2-686. Should I just live with the workaround, or report it? |
| 17:37.21 | stouset | furrywolf: Ow. |
| 17:37.28 | Wanderer | EdibleText: basically trying to find out where lshw pulls the serial and model of my IBM servers from in /proc |
| 17:37.33 | furrywolf | I made it clear in no uncertain terms I wasn't going to make my students do crap like that. |
| 17:37.41 | furrywolf | the next day my keycodes no longer worked. :) |
| 17:37.50 | stouset | furrywolf: Aye. That's why I was sad to hear that Greenlea got sacked. |
| 17:38.02 | asg | BACbKA: try booting with noapic and see if that fixes your acpi issue |
| 17:38.05 | eeyore- | BACbKA: try ck (con kolivas) with 2.6.11 |
| 17:38.22 | wpostma | BACbKA, I have only seen that in cases where Hyperthreading was ON in the BIOS. Hope it's specific to 2.6.8 only. :-) |
| 17:38.27 | BACbKA | eeyore: what is ck (con kolivas)? |
| 17:38.31 | eeyore- | furrywolf: interesting |
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| 17:38.37 | eeyore- | BACbKA: a patchset |
| 17:38.40 | stouset | Anyways, I'm late for a final. I should probably head out =) |
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| 17:38.53 | furrywolf | rather than teaching, all the class would do is train little robots... do what you're told, when you're told, and you'll get an A. turn in more than two assignments late, and you fail. (yes, I was required to implement that rule). Do completely pointless assignments. don't learn anything. |
| 17:39.06 | hobx | Has anybody else had trouble with a majorly crashy Firefox in Sid for quite a while now? |
| 17:39.16 | furrywolf | it was a complete shift in the class from actually learning to just doing busywork... |
| 17:39.19 | asg | hobx: nope |
| 17:39.20 | maher | furrywolf: sounds like good preparation for getting a job... |
| 17:39.22 | stouset | furrywolf: Aye. Crap, you should have heard the people complain when one of our classes (Intro to Data Structures) was to be taught in C++ rather than Java. |
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| 17:39.34 | furrywolf | I have a majorly crashy firefox in sarge, just like it's always been. |
| 17:39.35 | asg | hobx: though I don't use plugins or crap like that. |
| 17:39.50 | furrywolf | java and c++ both suck. only thing I ever used was C. :P |
| 17:39.55 | eeyore- | furrywolf: education system is weird. it's all about tenure and politics ... i've been in friend's classes where they have PhD's teaching C, and you know what, i remember thinking "this guy is full of it" |
| 17:40.01 | hobx | no flash or anything here... |
| 17:40.03 | stouset | furrywolf: Haha. But still, if you look at the difference there pretty much isn't any. |
| 17:40.04 | felipe-rs | oi |
| 17:40.15 | felipe-rs | alguem pode me ajudar |
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| 17:40.20 | asg | !br |
| 17:40.20 | dpkg | Por favor use #debian-br (/j #debian-br) para ajuda em portugues. |
| 17:40.35 | ricky_clarkson | furrywolf: C++ sucks, Java's great, C's great. |
| 17:40.38 | stouset | furrywolf: Excluding the APIs, there's maybe a 5% difference in syntax. And you can always search through the STL for what you're looking for. |
| 17:40.56 | furrywolf | eeyore: another teacher tried to figure out why the department was making these changes... lots of classes were being completely ruined... he found it came from ABOVE the university. as in, state level. can we say "dumbing down america"? |
| 17:41.10 | felipe-rs | onde eu encontro |
| 17:41.14 | maher | furrywolf: which school? |
| 17:41.16 | asg | felipe-rs: /j #debian-br |
| 17:41.18 | furrywolf | maher: ucsc |
| 17:41.31 | eeyore- | furrywolf: really |
| 17:41.36 | derflo | furrywolf: should't good C-code be valid C++-Code? |
| 17:41.37 | eeyore- | furrywolf: shit, i'm in CA :-) |
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| 17:41.49 | eeyore- | derflo: yes, it is |
| 17:41.50 | furrywolf | eeyore: don't go to ucsc. that's my advice. :P |
| 17:41.57 | zinx | derflo: not if it uses a C++ keyword :P |
| 17:42.00 | ricky_clarkson | derflo: Not if it uses C++ keywords as identifiers. |
| 17:42.13 | toresbe | grr. |
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| 17:42.21 | eeyore- | furrywolf: i'm not in school now, but i have to (very young) kids. so maybe in 15 years i'll need to revisit the schooling system |
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| 17:42.26 | toresbe | I'm having an annoying problem with my X server |
| 17:42.31 | toresbe | can't do multimod |
| 17:42.36 | eeyore- | furrywolf: s/have to/have two |
| 17:42.36 | toresbe | multimon* |
| 17:42.36 | BACbKA | asg: I had tried noapic before, to no apparent change |
| 17:42.39 | ricky_clarkson | eeyore-: Your kids don't start school until 15 years time? |
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| 17:42.50 | eeyore- | ricky_clarkson: college, i mean |
| 17:42.52 | ricky_clarkson | Wow, America really has dumbed down. |
| 17:42.57 | asg | BACbKA: yeah, some acpi bios implementations are just horribly broken |
| 17:43.01 | ricky_clarkson | eeyore-: Ah, right. |
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| 17:43.15 | stouset | furrywolf: Case in point, a later class required me to use Java (which I'd never touched prior). A good IDE syntax highlights keywords, so other than that it was just a matter of Googling for the classes I needed, and using them. I finished all the assignments in our class in about a week and a half tops, when the average turnaround time for the six assignments was about two weeks each. |
| 17:43.16 | ricky_clarkson | We go to college between the ages of 16 to 18 then University until 21. |
| 17:43.18 | derflo | I hate both: C and C++ |
| 17:43.28 | toresbe | I get "Cannot read V_BIOS" on my Radeon 7000 |
| 17:43.29 | furrywolf | heh. I know enough to avoid trying to predict that far in the future. for all I know, with shrub in charge of the country, we'll have WWIII and the only college around will involve stone knives and bear skins... |
| 17:43.54 | furrywolf | derflo: C is good. what's wrong with C? :P |
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| 17:44.01 | doleyb | furrywolf: when i was in college, had a course on stone knives. |
| 17:44.08 | BACbKA | asg: I don't know if this is conn'd, but my machine reports on bootup : "IBM machine detected. Enabling interrupts during APM calls.", while the kernel code in case seems to detect it for some laptops only. Anyway, I have a desktop, not a laptop. |
| 17:44.08 | derflo | furrywolf: pointers, alloc(),... |
| 17:44.13 | eeyore- | derflo: nothing wrong with C. go sit in the corner and think about what you just said. |
| 17:44.15 | doleyb | furrywolf: Prehistoric Technology in the archeology dept. |
| 17:44.15 | stouset | furrywolf: C is assembly++ :-P |
| 17:44.17 | EdibleText | Wanderer, man lshw lists the files used to compile that info |
| 17:44.20 | furrywolf | derflo: pointers are good. pointers are fun! |
| 17:44.22 | stew | !start a language war |
| 17:44.23 | dpkg | Java is faster than Lua |
| 17:44.23 | ricky_clarkson | All languages have pointers, that I know of. |
| 17:44.33 | eeyore- | furrywolf: pointers are for everyone! |
| 17:44.35 | ricky_clarkson | Even Pascal. |
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| 17:44.41 | stouset | ricky_clarkson: Not C#. |
| 17:44.43 | EdibleText | !yay |
| 17:44.43 | dpkg | yay! |
| 17:44.46 | asg | BACbKA: if it's a thinkpad, try using APM instead of acpi (you won't get fancy power stuff but suspend and batter info should work) |
| 17:44.46 | ricky_clarkson | stouset: Yes it does. |
| 17:44.54 | ricky_clarkson | stouset: A reference is a stupid word meaning pointer. |
| 17:44.56 | BACbKA | asg, no it is *not* a laptop |
| 17:44.58 | zinx | ricky_clarkson: many have "references", which people think are not pointers |
| 17:45.00 | asg | BACbKA: ah |
| 17:45.02 | zinx | ricky_clarkson: oops :P |
| 17:45.02 | BACbKA | asg: it is a desktop machine |
| 17:45.06 | stouset | ricky_clarkson: You never touch them, though =P |
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| 17:45.07 | eeyore- | reference *is* pointer |
| 17:45.13 | wpostma | Reference: A slightly broken implementation of pointers. :-) |
| 17:45.17 | stouset | ricky_clarkson: Although I suppose you're technically right. |
| 17:45.18 | ricky_clarkson | stouset: You do. You just don't do pointer arithmetic. |
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| 17:45.32 | stouset | ricky_clarkson: Well, you can't directly access pointers. Unless you enter unmanaged mode. |
| 17:45.34 | eeyore- | ricky_clarkson: but, pointer arithmatic lets you do cool stuffs :-) |
| 17:45.50 | ricky_clarkson | stouset: What does directly access mean? |
| 17:46.04 | stouset | ricky_clarkson: Pointer arithmetic, I suppose. |
| 17:46.07 | furrywolf | I work with embedded stuff a lot... C++ would be... umm... UGLY AS BLOODY HELL? :P |
| 17:46.10 | derflo | furrywolf: I had several nightmares with pointers, pointer arithmetic and memory allocation |
| 17:46.14 | ricky_clarkson | stouset: Why would you want pointer arithmetic? |
| 17:46.19 | stouset | ricky_clarkson: Being able to modify the pointers themselves, rather than the contents of what they point to. |
| 17:46.25 | ricky_clarkson | eeyore-: Like segmentation faults! |
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| 17:46.31 | ricky_clarkson | stouset: Why would you want that? |
| 17:46.35 | eeyore- | besides, the complaints with pointers and malloc ... if you really wanted to you could stick in a garbage collection engine and not worry about malloc()/free() |
| 17:46.38 | stouset | ricky_clarkson: strrev() :-) |
| 17:46.38 | BACbKA | asg: in general, all I need is minimize the noise, and I have done that ("quiet") everywhere I could in the bios. With that, it looks like I can live w/o acpi, can't I? Or do I need to strike for have it enabled for smth I don't have in mind? |
| 17:46.41 | furrywolf | derflo: hrmm. but pointers are easy, fun, etc. :P |
| 17:46.43 | phaedral | is there a way to get my router's ip other than telnetting in as admin? |
| 17:46.52 | ricky_clarkson | eeyore-: You still need malloc() or an equivalent. |
| 17:47.10 | asg | BACbKA: you shouldn't need acpi for a desktop machine |
| 17:47.14 | EdibleText | phaedral, context please |
| 17:47.17 | ricky_clarkson | stouset: In C# I expect strings are immutable. Phew. |
| 17:47.25 | zinx | eeyore-: there is at least one; for C even. |
| 17:47.28 | ricky_clarkson | I use Java, I can only guess on C#. |
| 17:47.29 | derflo | furrywolf: i dont's see any reasons for them |
| 17:47.30 | jayc | I'm trying to get apache2 up with php services and ssl, when I try to restart the apache2 it says "Invalid command 'SSLEngine', perhaps mis-spelled or defined by a module not included in the server configuration" I think I'm missing a package perhaps I am trying to migrate this crappy RH9 box at my work to a nice debian server :) can anyone help me out plz? thx in adv |
| 17:47.37 | zinx | furrywolf: because they don't understand them |
| 17:47.40 | furrywolf | well, I can see why people don't like them, but not why people can't understand them or fear them. |
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| 17:47.48 | stouset | ricky_clarkson: They are. I'm simply saying that from an end user perspective, you are blissfully unaware that pointers exist at all. |
| 17:47.54 | eeyore- | got to go. have to go download things from msdn. |
| 17:47.57 | ricky_clarkson | stouset: Not really. |
| 17:47.58 | BACbKA | asg: that was my thought. ISn't it a good idea then for the d-i to detect that a non-laptop should be booting w/acpi=off just about for everybody? |
| 17:48.06 | eeyore- | and i have gcc to finish up. nice talking to you folks again. |
| 17:48.07 | zinx | furrywolf: people fear what they don't understand; they don't understand them because they're effing retards. |
| 17:48.14 | stouset | ricky_clarkson: The only time you need to understand that it's a reference is when you're passing parameters to functions. |
| 17:48.14 | EdibleText | furrywolf, they fear and dont like because they dont understand, perhaps |
| 17:48.18 | ricky_clarkson | stouset: For example, you need to know about pointers to understand passing an object into a method without making a copy of it. |
| 17:48.19 | phaedral | EdibleText: trying to use cmd=program in my ddbclient.conf |
| 17:48.19 | furrywolf | zinx: good asnwer. :) |
| 17:48.21 | _if|afk | jayc, check your apache config file,and check for mod_ssl :) |
| 17:48.24 | furrywolf | answer |
| 17:48.29 | eeyore- | this has been a fun chat :-) about languages and all. |
| 17:48.33 | stouset | Anyways, I'm going to be 15 mins late for my final as is. I'm leaving now. Serious this time =) |
| 17:48.37 | ricky_clarkson | derflo: If you don't have pointers then you are restricted to a statically-defined size of data memory. |
| 17:48.43 | asg | BACbKA: I don't know how the d-i decision was made in this regard. |
| 17:48.49 | furrywolf | cyas eeyore. (that nick is a pain to type! *misses tab completion*) |
| 17:48.53 | derflo | ricky? |
| 17:48.54 | ricky_clarkson | derflo: Like they do for nuclear programs - all the memory is allocated when the program starts. |
| 17:48.59 | asg | furrywolf: eeyore- has to have his tail |
| 17:49.03 | BACbKA | asg: was there any decision at all wrt detecting a desktop vs. a laptop power mgmt? |
| 17:49.07 | stouset | asg: ACPI is needed for a clean shutdown when you hit the power button. |
| 17:49.23 | derflo | ricky_clarkson: you shouldn't have to deal with such details |
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| 17:49.29 | asg | BACbKA: you can check the d-i mailing list archives |
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| 17:49.41 | ricky_clarkson | derflo: You can use pointers without having to worry about them, yes. |
| 17:49.44 | BACbKA | stouset: thanks for the info |
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| 17:49.46 | ricky_clarkson | derflo: That doesn't mean they don't exist. |
| 17:49.48 | derflo | otherwise, this will reslut in segfaults |
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| 17:50.02 | asg | stouset: true but he won't have a choice if it keeps crashing his box |
| 17:50.02 | furrywolf | I need to work more on my language... still haven't figured out some of the messy semantics of parallelism, etc. |
| 17:50.27 | ricky_clarkson | furrywolf: I keep trying to work on parallelism but things distract me and I can only do one thing at once.. |
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| 17:51.44 | furrywolf | (furrywolf's language... highly OO, syntax like a mix of C and the good parts of perl (about 2% :), rather odd semantics allowing new classes to be derrived, etc, at runtime, with self-modifying code being quite a possibility... without looking like lisp!) |
| 17:51.50 | zinx | i wrote a program that requires segfaults to run... doesn't run on newer kernels though.. |
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| 17:52.09 | zinx | i should update it to use sigaction instead |
| 17:52.54 | BACbKA | hmmm d-i lists not in the list filter at http://lists.debian.org/search.html |
| 17:53.10 | furrywolf | zinx: the HC11 reference manual suggests using the illegal opcode trap as part of your program. :) |
| 17:53.23 | ricky_clarkson | furrywolf: Ever heard of JavaScript? ;) |
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| 17:53.54 | asg | BACbKA: look for debian-boot |
| 17:53.55 | zinx | furrywolf: mine's an OISC interpreter ;) |
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| 17:54.00 | furrywolf | ricky: it's far, far more powerful (and non-ugly) than javascript. :P |
| 17:54.11 | BACbKA | asg: thanks, just figured it off http://lists.debian.org/debian-boot/ |
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| 17:54.29 | hac | What is the best download manager:Curl or Prozilla? |
| 17:54.29 | ricky_clarkson | JavaScript is more powerful than you realise, and less ugly than http://labs.google.com/britney.html |
| 17:54.45 | furrywolf | and the best part of the furrywolf language... relational database inherent in the language. You can create objects that automagically exist across instances of program execution. |
| 17:54.52 | furrywolf | hac: wget. |
| 17:54.57 | BACbKA | asg: acpi detect => no matches |
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| 17:55.18 | hac | furrywolf: but it isnt supported by flashgot :/ |
| 17:55.32 | furrywolf | zinx: oisc? |
| 17:56.41 | Delph | furrywolf: relational database or object database? |
| 17:56.46 | BACbKA | asg: ...at least for the last year |
| 17:56.56 | furrywolf | delph: remember I said I hadn't figured out the details yet? :P |
| 17:56.58 | ricky_clarkson | What's an object database? |
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| 17:57.07 | Delph | a database which stores objects |
| 17:57.09 | furrywolf | I'll probably end up allowing either |
| 17:57.14 | Delph | as opposed to one which stores relations. |
| 17:57.15 | ricky_clarkson | Delph: Do they exist? |
| 17:57.20 | Delph | ricky_clarkson: i believe so. |
| 17:57.25 | furrywolf | since an object can be a relation object... |
| 17:57.25 | ricky_clarkson | Delph: So why does Hibernate exist? |
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| 17:57.32 | shingouz | ricky_clarkson: A closet? ;) |
| 17:57.43 | Delph | ricky_clarkson: because relational databases are better understood and more popular? |
| 17:57.45 | derflo | ok, got to write a litte pamphlet on intellectual property, cu soon |
| 17:57.46 | BACbKA | hmmm I'll try asking at #debian-boot |
| 17:57.50 | zinx | furrywolf: one instruction set computer or something like that; it has one instruction: subtract and branch if negative |
| 17:57.51 | furrywolf | the most basic usage of the database is to store objects, as that's what is easiest to use in the language. |
| 17:58.05 | ricky_clarkson | Delph: That doesn't seem like the kind of reason that would persuade Java people.. |
| 17:58.15 | groton | I compiled my kernel without bzImage (i.e. i just did "make" instead of "make bzImage"), and when GRUB start the new kernel says: "Invalid executable format", any help? |
| 17:58.20 | furrywolf | derflo: make sure you write it properly. as in, information should be free for all, music and entertainment should be available to everyone, etc. |
| 17:58.21 | ricky_clarkson | Delph: This is "it's new!! Let's depend on it!!" crowd. |
| 17:58.40 | derflo | furrywolf: for sure |
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| 17:58.48 | stew | groton: /msg dpkg kp |
| 17:59.26 | nagual | anyone know how long it takes for google to update its indexes after its robot been to the url in question? i had a hit 13 hours ago, but when i google my page it still gives the exact same info as before |
| 17:59.31 | furrywolf | I wrote a C compiler once... the furrywolf language is far, far, far harder to make execute. :) |
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| 18:00.24 | nomed^ | hi |
| 18:00.57 | furrywolf | actually compiling it, since it allows self-modifying code, requires JIT compilation... so I'm being a lazy ass and interpreting it for now. :) |
| 18:00.58 | nomed^ | do you know something about problems related to PAM using cvs and pserver? |
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| 18:01.35 | Delph | ricky_clarkson: hah, they did |
| 18:01.36 | Delph | ricky_clarkson: http://www.odmg.org/ |
| 18:01.46 | furrywolf | at some point I'll use bytecode compilation... |
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| 18:04.33 | phaedral | ip isn't going to give me any info about my router, is it? i'm trying to make sense of the manpage but it's a bit over my head... |
| 18:06.05 | mrtoth | Hi! I have a problem with pppoe ( over a DSL connection). I change the mtu in /etc/pp/options, and in /etc/ppp/peers/... and poff -a, and pon, and reboot, and it doesn't changes ( ifconfig shows always 1492 ). Anybody any idea? |
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| 18:07.23 | nevyn | hrm...I thought postgreSQL had a bunch of datatypes for email addresses and phone no's and stuff... sigh. |
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| 18:07.32 | MrBucket | Hello! |
| 18:07.34 | nevyn | maybe kexi doesn't expose them. |
| 18:07.34 | nct | Hi |
| 18:07.43 | nevyn | hi MrBucket |
| 18:07.46 | MrBucket | :) |
| 18:08.37 | MrBucket | Can I get CGI:IRC using apt? |
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| 18:09.13 | shingouz | mrtoth: First of all with linux you do not have to reboot after you change some setting or other. PPPoE... hmm.. I haven't fooled with it but check if there is some pppoe.conf or sometihng sitting on your system |
| 18:09.31 | asg | MrBucket: apt-cache search cgiirc |
| 18:09.38 | nct | I've a question that looks very silly: I've a debian unstable with hal and udev. Everything work find, but I just noticed I've no /dev/ttys=.. the serial port is gone. There is no driver in /lib/modules so I suppose it's compiled in the kernel. Does anyone have a clue how to make it reappear ? It doesn't seemed blacklisted in hotplug or something like this |
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| 18:10.21 | ricky_clarkson | nct: Custom or stock kernel? |
| 18:10.30 | nct | stock kernel |
| 18:10.33 | nct | 2.6.9-1-686-smp |
| 18:10.58 | dizzz | nct, i lost my keyboard !! |
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| 18:11.52 | MrBucket | Anyone have a recommended version of Tcl to use? |
| 18:11.59 | MrBucket | I see all sorts of Tcl in apt. |
| 18:12.09 | asg | MrBucket: the newest or try #tcl |
| 18:12.14 | Exerd_ | what is tcl? |
| 18:12.19 | asg | Exerd_: tool command language |
| 18:12.26 | ricky_clarkson | It's a three letter acronym. |
| 18:12.51 | nct | ricky_clarkson : do you have any clue about the serial port ? |
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| 18:13.01 | ricky_clarkson | nct: No. |
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| 18:14.31 | BucWheat | what is the best text irc client (easy UI, etc.) ? |
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| 18:14.37 | asg | BucWheat: irssi-text |
| 18:14.48 | furrywolf | buxwheat: telnet <irc server> 6667 |
| 18:14.52 | BucWheat | k. thanks |
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| 18:15.12 | ricky_clarkson | furrywolf: I tried that, couldn't manage it. |
| 18:15.47 | furrywolf | ricky: heh... I used to be a services admin. at one point I could give myself c/n lines, and not just telnet in as a server, but telnet in as a bahamut TS3 compliant server... |
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| 18:16.11 | furrywolf | I decide that was one of those "You KNOW you're on IRC too much when..." things. :) |
| 18:16.37 | asg | !qotd6 |
| 18:16.37 | dpkg | <d0ugie> kickin it real on efnet, doing takeovers on #hack manually, typing really fast to mode -o everyone <sussudio> d0ugie: can you stop being a sad wanker? |
| 18:16.56 | furrywolf | lol |
| 18:17.09 | b0xii | how would I go about silencing error messages that are displayed in my console (other than fixing the root problem) |
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| 18:17.13 | ricky_clarkson | !qotd0 |
| 18:17.13 | dpkg | i heard qotd39 is <concac> hey people, how come my password root is concac1113 and if i type su and concac it will accept the root password |
| 18:17.16 | asg | b0xii: /msg dpkg klogd |
| 18:17.23 | furrywolf | b0xii: I'd fix the problem first... |
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| 18:18.20 | furrywolf | ricky: apparently that user didn't know IRC has automatic password masking. If you type your password in IRC, all other users see is stars. for example, my root password is **********. |
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| 18:18.32 | b0xii | thanks asg |
| 18:18.42 | b0xii | furrywolf: i'll get to it soon :) |
| 18:18.43 | ricky_clarkson | furrywolf: I see. My password is funkychicken. |
| 18:18.44 | asg | furrywolf: that might actually be your root password |
| 18:18.44 | ricky_clarkson | Hmmmm. |
| 18:18.45 | dondelelcaro | ugh... old stupid bash quotes |
| 18:19.16 | furrywolf | heh. sad thing is how many people fall for that one. :) |
| 18:19.22 | ricky_clarkson | Still, ssh ricky@rickyclarkson.user isn't going to get you anywhere. |
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| 18:19.45 | BucWheat | hey all |
| 18:20.04 | BucWheat | what does it usually mean when you get FATAL: <module_name> not found? |
| 18:20.14 | furrywolf | buxwheat: that the module isn't found? :) |
| 18:20.18 | BucWheat | i've added the path to the library in /etc/ld.so.conf and then ran ldconfig |
| 18:20.32 | BucWheat | and i still can't load the module |
| 18:20.43 | asg | BucWheat: module for what? kernel? |
| 18:20.57 | BucWheat | asg: a driver i installed |
| 18:21.09 | BucWheat | asg how do i close /msg windows in irssi-text? |
| 18:21.14 | asg | BucWheat: /win close |
| 18:21.25 | stew | BucWheat: /wc |
| 18:21.35 | BucWheat | thanks. this is cool |
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| 18:22.59 | BucWheat | after searching for the module i found it in /lib/modules/2.6.8/comedi/ and it has a .ko extension |
| 18:23.14 | BucWheat | what does the .ko extention mean? |
| 18:23.20 | furrywolf | kernel object |
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| 18:23.25 | ep | Under KDE I can browse and use one CD but thats all I get (can't eject it). --> umount: /media/cdrom0: device is busy. What might the problem be and how do I go about unmounting it? |
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| 18:23.40 | furrywolf | ep: use kde's unmount feature. |
| 18:23.57 | ep | how |
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| 18:24.11 | asg | BucWheat: did you run depmod -a |
| 18:24.15 | furrywolf | brb |
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| 18:24.39 | asg | hrmf, shfs is actually usable these days. |
| 18:24.59 | BucWheat | asg: no. does that automatically put newly created libs in ld.so.conf? |
| 18:25.12 | asg | BucWheat: kernel drivers have nothing to do with ld.so.conf |
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| 18:25.43 | BucWheat | asg: well looks like i had the wrong path in ld.so.conf |
| 18:25.43 | BadMan | <PROTECTED> |
| 18:25.45 | BadMan | clear |
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| 18:26.14 | BucWheat | asg: i put /lib/modules/2.6.8/comedi/ in ld.so.conf and ran ldconfig then modprobe <driver> and it worked :) |
| 18:26.35 | asg | BucWheat: did you run depmod -a before that? |
| 18:27.05 | axelx123 | I have PS/2 mouse, but during install i configured it to input/mice. Now the X Session does not run. What can i do? |
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| 18:27.19 | BucWheat | asg: no. i ran it afterwards |
| 18:27.20 | asg | axelx123: use /dev/psaux |
| 18:27.34 | asg | BucWheat: well, that's just odd. Did you use module-assistant to download and compile it? |
| 18:27.36 | BucWheat | asg: after i saw you mention it :) |
| 18:27.41 | BucWheat | asg: nope |
| 18:27.43 | axelx123 | asg but how do i reconfigure it? |
| 18:27.45 | asg | hmrf |
| 18:27.48 | decko | Hi people! I'm trying to make a mirror using debmirror, but I need the gpg key that are use to sign the Packages.gz file... |
| 18:27.57 | decko | Someone knows where can I find this??? |
| 18:28.06 | BucWheat | asg: did it with tarball. the module-assit method doesn't work with this driver. |
| 18:28.10 | asg | axelx123: editor /etc/X11/XF86Config-4 (or dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xfree86) |
| 18:28.15 | BucWheat | asg: thanks for your help |
| 18:28.21 | asg | BucWheat: you're welcome |
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| 18:28.39 | phaedral | EdibleText: found my answer; use=web in my ddclient.conf |
| 18:28.48 | axelx123 | thanx i'll try it! |
| 18:29.22 | BucWheat | how can i make console clear screen when i "exit" i hate seeing my previous work still visable in console |
| 18:29.25 | BleSS | is it possible automatic detection of keyboard type (qwerty / qwertz / others)? |
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| 18:29.34 | asg | BucWheat: echo clear >> ~/.bash_logout |
| 18:29.39 | asg | BucWheat: if you use bash that is |
| 18:29.43 | BucWheat | yea i do |
| 18:29.44 | amphi | BucWheat: put 'clear' in yr logout script |
| 18:30.16 | ep | KDE's unmount feature does not work I get the same error message as I get when I try umount from a root prompt "umount: /media/cdrom0: device is busy" This always happens, what can I do? |
| 18:30.27 | BucWheat | nice |
| 18:30.34 | BucWheat | now off to lunch |
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| 18:31.06 | _if|afk | ep, 'cd /' && 'umount /media/cdrom0' |
| 18:31.07 | Frafra | hi |
| 18:31.12 | asg | !nickometer MaDsCiEnTiSt |
| 18:31.12 | dpkg | 'MaDsCiEnTiSt' is 99.9776% lame, asg |
| 18:31.24 | Frafra | for create an iso from a direcrory, what i must do? |
| 18:31.31 | asg | Frafra: man mkisofs |
| 18:31.35 | primoz | !nickometer primoz |
| 18:31.47 | _if|afk | how i can mount iso ? |
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| 18:32.18 | asg | _if|afk: mount -o loop,ro my.iso /mount/point |
| 18:32.25 | raha12 | if i don't use "contrib" and "nonfree" directories then is my entire system free software as defined by the free software movement? |
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| 18:32.55 | ep | _if|afk, i cd'd to root directory still same error message |
| 18:33.04 | si|vercat | anyone have the PVR-250 and use ivtv? |
| 18:33.13 | _if|afk | ep check who daemon use your cdrom |
| 18:33.24 | _if|afk | *wich/who ...sorry for bad english |
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| 18:33.44 | asg | raha12: yes |
| 18:33.55 | asg | raha12: well, some kernel firmware may be at issue |
| 18:33.59 | ep | ah I'm i fairly new desktop user -- how do i check the "who" daemon? |
| 18:34.06 | asg | raha12: to be sure, install vrms |
| 18:34.22 | jcase | has anyone attempted to use the verizon wireless aircard with debian? I have attempted to use it, however after about 2 minutes it just randomly drops my connection saying that it cannot connect to peer |
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| 18:34.45 | k-dog | ep: There is no 'who' daemon |
| 18:34.54 | gregj | http://jw.dyndns.org/initng/ |
| 18:34.54 | dan2 | asg: yo |
| 18:35.00 | gregj | someone did that on debian maybe? |
| 18:35.01 | stew | si|vercat: don't take polls, if you have a real question, just ask it |
| 18:35.08 | asg | k-dog: rwhod |
| 18:35.11 | asg | dan2: afternoon |
| 18:35.14 | k-dog | asg: Ah. |
| 18:35.25 | asg | k-dog: anyone using it should be shot though |
| 18:35.25 | ep | ok, _if|afk told me to "check who daemon use your cdrom" |
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| 18:36.11 | _if|afk | any daemon/program/tool use your cdrom (e.g. such as XMMS) |
| 18:36.19 | raha12 | asg: thank you. |
| 18:36.27 | si|vercat | stew: err, my bad.. sorry :P |
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| 18:36.47 | asg | raha12: though these days, some south american distro is the only one that RMS acknowledges |
| 18:36.55 | asg | raha12: unito or somesuch |
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| 18:37.56 | xst | On most linux installers you can create user accounts by typing 1) login 2) Full name of user. When creating accounts with useradd there are no way of associating a real name with the login. How do I do that? |
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| 18:38.13 | asg | xst: try adduser |
| 18:38.16 | BleSS | is it possible automatic detection of keyboard type (qwerty / qwertz / others)? |
| 18:38.21 | stew | ep: use lsof or fuser to see what file is open on /mdedia/cdrom0 |
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| 18:38.31 | si|vercat | how do I send files with ssh again? |
| 18:38.33 | ep | May something in KDE? A Inserted the CD selected file properties (via konqueror). Now Konqueror is closed. |
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| 18:38.37 | stew | si|vercat: man scp |
| 18:38.37 | asg | bah, can't mount iso's loopback over shfs. |
| 18:38.43 | si|vercat | stew: thanks |
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| 18:38.55 | debion | hay x aqui algun espaniol cuyo nombre es toxilo torvalds |
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| 18:39.02 | asg | !es |
| 18:39.03 | dpkg | Hispanohablantes: Por favor usen #debian-es, alli obtendran mas ayuda. Spanish Speakers: Please use #debian-es, there you will get much more help. |
| 18:39.09 | debion | ok thnks |
| 18:39.43 | ep | stew I'm sorry but i need specific instructions |
| 18:39.53 | [Thom] | newb question: How do I automatically alias a command so I don't have to do it on login every time? For example: alias ls="ls --color" ? |
| 18:40.04 | asg | [Thom]: look at ~/.bashrc for examples |
| 18:40.14 | asg | [Thom]: make sure ~/.bashrc is sourced from ~/.bash_profile |
| 18:40.16 | [Thom] | Is ~ root? |
| 18:40.24 | xst | Where is the "full name" information stored? |
| 18:40.28 | asg | [Thom]: if you aren't using bash, man ${SHELL##*/} |
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| 18:40.35 | [Thom] | I'm using mash.. |
| 18:40.37 | ricky_clarkson | thefly: ~ is $HOME is your home directory. |
| 18:40.38 | [Thom] | bash |
| 18:40.38 | elll | alfonso |
| 18:40.40 | elll | estas ahi |
| 18:41.00 | asg | !moron asg |
| 18:41.01 | dpkg | asg: You are moron #48 |
| 18:41.06 | stew | ep: lsof | grep /media/cdrom0 ; that will list processes which have files open on the mountpoint, kill those processes and you'll be able to umount |
| 18:41.19 | elll | !spanish asg |
| 18:41.29 | BleSS | how get keyboard keycodes in console? |
| 18:41.42 | ricky_clarkson | elll: alfonso no esta aqui. es possiblemente en #debian-es, ¿verdad? |
| 18:41.52 | ep | ok "famd" is the only thing listed |
| 18:42.00 | xst | How do I view the user data for an account (e.g. full name, groups, etc)? |
| 18:42.10 | Qerub | stew: lsof /media/cdrom0 would work too |
| 18:42.17 | ricky_clarkson | xst: use your finger. |
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| 18:42.43 | ricky_clarkson | !finger xst |
| 18:42.48 | ep | I'll can kill this but i'm gonna google it first (see what it is) This happens every time i try to use my CD |
| 18:42.52 | dondelelcaro | xst: use id |
| 18:43.11 | Qerub | ep: fam is file alteration something, it watches for changes. |
| 18:43.14 | raha12 | asg: i'm told "main" contains "bits and pieces" of nonfree software. viz; xfree86. |
| 18:43.18 | xst | Cool, thanks |
| 18:43.19 | Qerub | ep: monitor. |
| 18:43.39 | ricky_clarkson | XFree86 4.3 is free, afaik. |
| 18:43.44 | Qerub | ep: get rid of it or see if you can blacklist /media somehow. |
| 18:43.49 | stew | xst: getent passwd username ; groups username |
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| 18:44.36 | ep | Qerub sorry I need specific instructions:) |
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| 18:44.43 | stew | raha12: main is all free the version of xfree86 in main is considered free, /msg dpkg sc ; /msg dpkg dfsg |
| 18:44.47 | ricky_clarkson | Is XFree86 4.4 and above non-free for other people's versions of free too? |
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| 18:44.52 | ricky_clarkson | .. besides DFSG |
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| 18:45.27 | Qerub | ricky_clarkson: XFree86 4.4's license is GPL incompatible. |
| 18:45.41 | Groundy | a question about applying patches to standard debian packages, |
| 18:45.52 | ep | Firstoff, can I just kill the famd process? |
| 18:45.56 | ricky_clarkson | Qerub: How does that work? |
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| 18:46.03 | Groundy | what i have been doing is: apt-get source <x>, dpkg-source -x <x>.dsc, |
| 18:46.03 | ricky_clarkson | Qerub: Is BSD GPL-incompatible? |
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| 18:46.11 | dondelelcaro | ricky_clarkson: depends on which BSD |
| 18:46.11 | [Thom] | asg thanks |
| 18:46.17 | ricky_clarkson | dondelelcaro: The BSD licence. |
| 18:46.23 | dondelelcaro | ricky_clarkson: which BSD license? |
| 18:46.27 | ricky_clarkson | The current one. |
| 18:46.34 | primoz | ricky_clarkson, depends on advertising clause (mostly) |
| 18:46.35 | primoz | ;)) |
| 18:46.35 | Qerub | ricky_clarkson: There are many variants of the BSD license. |
| 18:46.38 | dondelelcaro | ricky_clarkson: again, which bsd license? |
| 18:46.50 | Groundy | patch < ../<x>.mypatch, fakeroot dpkg-buildpackage -b |
| 18:46.50 | Qerub | ricky_clarkson: The BSD with the advertising clause is GPL incompatible IIRC. |
| 18:46.56 | Qerub | BSD license* |
| 18:47.05 | dondelelcaro | 3 clause, 4 clause, 2 clause... the list goes on... |
| 18:47.09 | raha12 | ricky_clarkson: original bsd is not free, afaik. |
| 18:47.12 | Groundy | is there a way to automate that process for next time? (like setting up a config somewhere) |
| 18:47.14 | ricky_clarkson | http://www.opensource.org/licenses/bsd-license.php |
| 18:47.38 | dondelelcaro | ricky_clarkson: that's the 3 clause bsd license. |
| 18:47.48 | ricky_clarkson | Is that GPL-compatible? |
| 18:47.50 | dondelelcaro | ricky_clarkson: yes. |
| 18:48.02 | ricky_clarkson | How is that determined? |
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| 18:48.11 | MASoft | I have some problems with clipboard in Gnome ! I copy a text from a window, after I close that window, I miss that text !!! what can I do ? |
| 18:48.15 | ricky_clarkson | Or rather, what does GPL-compatible actually mean? |
| 18:48.18 | dondelelcaro | ricky_clarkson: by seeing that it doesn't impose any restrictions beyond what the GPL imposes. |
| 18:48.32 | ricky_clarkson | dondelelcaro: I see. |
| 18:48.49 | Groundy | MASoft: uuh, don't close the window? |
| 18:49.08 | ricky_clarkson | dondelelcaro: How about 'implied' restrictions, e.g., "I'd like you to send me a fiver if you use this, but you don't have to"? |
| 18:49.16 | ricky_clarkson | iow, shareware |
| 18:49.19 | MASoft | Groundy, is it gnome problem or I do something wrong ? |
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| 18:49.39 | Groundy | MASoft: are you using the paste board, or just the selction? |
| 18:49.49 | dondelelcaro | ricky_clarkson: read GPL v2 |
| 18:49.50 | Groundy | (aka, are you right clicking and choosing copy?) |
| 18:49.56 | ricky_clarkson | dondelelcaro: I've read it all. |
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| 18:50.04 | MASoft | Groundy, ctrl+c for copy and ctrl+v for paste |
| 18:50.08 | dondelelcaro | rr... GPL §2 rather |
| 18:50.17 | ricky_clarkson | Oh, what's that? |
| 18:50.39 | Groundy | MASoft: I think that ends up on the paste board, i'd expect it to be gnome global, |
| 18:50.39 | ricky_clarkson | That symbol, I've only seen it in music notation (iirc) and the Java Language Specification. |
| 18:50.43 | dondelelcaro | "These requirements apply to the modified work as a whole. If identifiable sections of that work are not derived from the Program, and can be reasonably considered independent and separate works in themselves, then this License, and its terms, do not apply to those sections when you distribute them as separate works. But when you distribute the same sections as part of a whole which is a work based on the Program, the distribution of the whole must be |
| 18:50.50 | raha12 | so if i avoid xfree86 then i'm running entirely free software as defined by the free software movement, granted i refrain from "contrib" and "nonfree"? |
| 18:51.02 | dondelelcaro | § == section |
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| 18:51.06 | ricky_clarkson | dondelelcaro: Oh, ok. |
| 18:51.09 | Groundy | MASoft: you might find it just saves a referance to the peice of text, hence it gets lost |
| 18:51.23 | k-dog | What's the cmdline postgres access tool? |
| 18:51.27 | dondelelcaro | k-dog: psql |
| 18:51.31 | k-dog | MASoft: Hola? How's UAE? |
| 18:51.32 | ricky_clarkson | raha12: XFree86 as distributed by Debian *is* FSF-free, afaik. |
| 18:51.39 | ricky_clarkson | MASoft: You develop UAE? |
| 18:51.50 | k-dog | dondelelcaro: kthx |
| 18:51.55 | ricky_clarkson | Or.. you live there? ;) |
| 18:51.56 | MASoft | k-dog, hi ;) like everytime ! painful :( |
| 18:52.06 | dondelelcaro | yes, Debian does not distribute things in main (with the exception of GFDLed works) that are not DFSG free. |
| 18:52.06 | k-dog | MASoft: Got disks yet? |
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| 18:52.20 | dondelelcaro | s/the/& possible/ |
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| 18:52.27 | MASoft | ricky_clarkson, I develop Linux in UAE ! |
| 18:52.42 | MASoft | k-dog, not yet ! |
| 18:52.52 | raha12 | dondelelcaro: the dfsg can be thought of as synonymous w/the gpl? |
| 18:52.57 | ricky_clarkson | MASoft: AAAAGHHHH!!! |
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| 18:53.01 | dondelelcaro | raha12: no, it can't. They're totally separate. |
| 18:53.04 | primoz | raha12, no |
| 18:53.04 | primoz | ;) |
| 18:53.11 | ricky_clarkson | MASoft: I'd really rather you developed UAE in Linux. |
| 18:53.34 | MASoft | ricky_clarkson, no ! what is UAE ? |
| 18:53.42 | raha12 | =/ |
| 18:53.42 | ricky_clarkson | Un*x Amiga Emulator |
| 18:53.49 | dondelelcaro | raha12: read the DFSG... http://www.debian.org/social_contract#guidelines |
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| 18:55.18 | MASoft | Groundy, it seems it will solve my problem :P http://members.chello.nl/~h.lai/gnome-clipboard-daemon/ |
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| 18:55.40 | MASoft | Groundy, I said becuase may useful for u, too ;) |
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| 18:56.27 | k-dog | dondelelcaro: How do I list available DBs? I'm trying to set up TUTOS. |
| 18:56.35 | crashbg | help me pls, i have problem with apt-get upgrade |
| 18:56.42 | k-dog | dondelelcaro: ... and don't seem to have the db yet... |
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| 18:56.43 | nagual | !nickometer nagual |
| 18:56.43 | dpkg | 'nagual' is 0.000% lame, nagual |
| 18:56.45 | crashbg | dpkg: error processing /var/cache/apt/archives/kdelibs-data_4%3a3.3.2-5_all.deb (--unpack): |
| 18:56.45 | crashbg | <PROTECTED> |
| 18:56.47 | ricky_clarkson | MASoft: What were you talking about then, wrt UAE? |
| 18:56.47 | k-dog | !tell crashbg about smart questions |
| 18:56.56 | k-dog | crashbg: Where are the packages from? |
| 18:57.00 | k-dog | ricky_clarkson: MASoft is in UAE. |
| 18:57.09 | ricky_clarkson | k-dog: The country? |
| 18:57.14 | k-dog | ricky_clarkson: Yes. |
| 18:57.16 | k-dog | ricky_clarkson: /whois |
| 18:57.20 | MASoft | ricky_clarkson, UAE is United Arabic Emirates ! |
| 18:57.25 | Groundy | MASoft : gees, sounds like something that _should_ be included eh? |
| 18:57.37 | ricky_clarkson | = 19:52:01 < ricky_clarkson> Or.. you live there? ;) |
| 18:57.43 | crashbg | k-dog, i have a official mirrors in sources.list and backports.org |
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| 18:57.47 | ricky_clarkson | Sheesh, a whole 5 minutes to get an answer. |
| 18:58.00 | k-dog | crashbg: Is it a backports pckg which is conflicting? |
| 18:58.00 | crashbg | and marillat also |
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| 18:58.12 | dondelelcaro | crashbg: use dpkg --force-overwrite -i /var/cache/apt/archives/kdelibs-data_4%3a3.3.2-5_all.deb; and then file a bug against kplayer |
| 18:58.15 | dondelelcaro | !+info kplayer |
| 18:58.16 | dpkg | Updating debian files... please wait. |
| 18:58.20 | dpkg | Package 'kplayer' does not exist. |
| 18:58.25 | MASoft | Groundy, I find this answer in #gnome, I'm going to test it :P |
| 18:58.29 | k-dog | crashbg: package conflicts == release critical bug. Please ensure these are stock Debian pckgs. |
| 18:58.31 | gloin | is there a simple tutorial on how to dummy up an .info file so I don't have to move my custom modules around everytime I install or remove libapache-* using apt? |
| 18:58.43 | dondelelcaro | crashbg: uh... kplayer isn't in Debian... beat down whomever you received them from |
| 18:59.16 | ricky_clarkson | !kplayer |
| 18:59.24 | gloin | !.info |
| 18:59.31 | gloin | !libapache |
| 18:59.36 | Groundy | dondelelcaro : if kplayer was an old package, then will it appear in the package lists? |
| 18:59.42 | gloin | drat |
| 18:59.47 | dondelelcaro | Groundy: which package lists? |
| 18:59.55 | ricky_clarkson | The ones that dpkg searches.. |
| 19:00.00 | Groundy | dondelelcaro : the ones you're looking in ? |
| 19:00.04 | phaedral | furrywolf: msg me re music, or check url from a couple weeks ago... |
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| 19:00.14 | crashbg | well what's to do kplayer with kdelibs??? |
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| 19:00.31 | Groundy | crashbg : uninstall kplayer first, then re-install kdelibs |
| 19:00.34 | BleSS | how get the "decrypted" key code |
| 19:00.35 | dondelelcaro | crashbg: it's conflicting with a file that kdelibs provides. Follow the instructions I gave you already. |
| 19:00.36 | crashbg | i wanna know how to fix this, i removed everything but official mirrors |
| 19:00.39 | dondelelcaro | Groundy: no, that's not necesssary. |
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| 19:00.50 | ricky_clarkson | crashbg: apt-get remove kplayer |
| 19:00.59 | dondelelcaro | REMOVING KPLAYER IS NOT NECESSARY. |
| 19:01.02 | Groundy | dondelelcaro : depends how much crashbg uses kplayer :-) |
| 19:01.17 | dondelelcaro | crashbg: use dpkg --force-overwrite -i /var/cache/apt/archives/kdelibs-data_4%3a3.3.2-5_all.deb; AGAIN. |
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| 19:01.43 | Groundy | crashbg : did you install kplayer via alien? |
| 19:02.07 | raha12 | dondelelcaro: i don't understand all of the dfsg but if it is conforming w/the free software movements definition i guess i'm good to go w/debian and the aforementioned exclusions. |
| 19:02.27 | Groundy | dondelelcaro : kplayer has custom debian packages, ahhh |
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| 19:02.42 | dondelelcaro | raha12: it basically stems from RMS's four freedoms, so for the most part they're very similar. |
| 19:02.56 | crashbg | it's from deb http://kplayer.sf.net Groundy |
| 19:03.04 | dondelelcaro | raha12: so long as you don't have non-free in your sources.list, everything that you get should comply with the DFSG. |
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| 19:03.18 | ricky_clarkson | Did non-US disappear? |
| 19:03.27 | ricky_clarkson | I mean the repositories, not the continents. ;) |
| 19:03.28 | EvanCarroll | vim isn't in non-free is it? and it is infact non-free. |
| 19:03.34 | Groundy | crashbg : yea, just removing the sources line doesn't remove the conflict, the --force-overwrite is the way to go |
| 19:04.02 | crashbg | Groundy, yea it worked :) |
| 19:04.03 | Groundy | crashbg : so the right thing to do i log a bug with the kplayer ppl |
| 19:04.09 | crashbg | thanks man :) |
| 19:04.19 | MASoft | what packages are in non-free ? we must buy them ? |
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| 19:04.33 | ricky_clarkson | MASoft: non-free as in licence, not cost. |
| 19:04.41 | ricky_clarkson | MASoft: E.g., a prisoner is non-free. |
| 19:04.43 | Groundy | MASoft : non-free as in freedom, not beer |
| 19:04.52 | dondelelcaro | MASoft: it depends on the package. non-free deals with libre, not necessarily cost. |
| 19:04.59 | MasterYoda | how is the multi-arch stuff comming along? |
| 19:05.01 | tezem | How could I downgrade when I have installed a newer version already? It's libc6 so i cannot remove it. |
| 19:05.05 | MASoft | aha ! so is MPlayer in non-free ? |
| 19:05.11 | dondelelcaro | MASoft: no. |
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| 19:05.18 | ricky_clarkson | MASoft: mplayer is worse than non-free, it is illegal. |
| 19:05.20 | dondelelcaro | (although, some packages there may require you to pay for them if you are using them in commercial enterprises) |
| 19:05.30 | si|vercat | can i scan for channels with ivtv? |
| 19:05.39 | ricky_clarkson | si|vercat: /help list |
| 19:05.41 | dondelelcaro | !tell MASoft about mplayer legal saga |
| 19:06.00 | dondelelcaro | ricky_clarkson: that may or may not be true, actually... ask dpkg about the legal saga for details... |
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| 19:06.14 | ricky_clarkson | !mplayer legal saga =~ s/dilligence/diligence/ |
| 19:06.15 | dpkg | OK, ricky_clarkson |
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| 19:07.31 | raha12 | dondelelcaro: aside from providing the nonfree and contrib directories for people who want that kind of thing, why create confusion and rewrite what the free software movement/gnu project already established? creates confusion for me. it's like why paraphrase? |
| 19:07.40 | ricky_clarkson | ##java just had its best question for years: "hey can i get the jvm in hardback form?" |
| 19:08.27 | dondelelcaro | raha12: it's not a rewriting. It's a set of guidelines that are based on the philosophical premises of the free software movement |
| 19:08.48 | MASoft | have a nice night ;) (may be day :P) bye friends |
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| 19:08.57 | Groundy | um, weren't the debian guidlines used to draw up the fsf's comments? |
| 19:09.05 | si|vercat | ricky_clarkson: ivtv, it's a tv-tuner-module. |
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| 19:09.09 | Groundy | (or am i thinking about the open source licence) |
| 19:09.10 | samueltc | hi |
| 19:09.19 | ricky_clarkson | Groundy: The FSF is older than Debian. |
| 19:09.28 | ricky_clarkson | Groundy: It's got a beard. |
| 19:09.37 | dondelelcaro | Groundy: no, they were used as the basis for the OSD |
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| 19:09.57 | dondelelcaro | although, the OSI frankly hasn't applied them in a particularly stellar fashion |
| 19:10.03 | ricky_clarkson | si|vercat: Haha, oops, thought you meant IRC channels. |
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| 19:10.13 | Groundy | and the OSL is based on the debian guidelines? |
| 19:10.15 | si|vercat | ricky_clarkson: :P |
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| 19:10.37 | samueltc | I want to reinstall apache/apache-common. how I should do it? i've removed the package rm -rf /etc/apache but now it seem that dpkg "think" that httpd.conf still exist |
| 19:10.52 | raha12 | dondelelcaro: rewriting, rewording, restating, repeating, . . . *shrug*. |
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| 19:12.25 | samueltc | I just want a fresh apache install, i don't care about my /var/www and conf files |
| 19:12.49 | EvanCarroll | samueltc: apt-get --reinstall install apache |
| 19:13.00 | samueltc | dpkg-reconfigure complain about the "deleted" httpd.conf |
| 19:13.03 | ricky_clarkson | raha12: Any relation to rahul? |
| 19:13.07 | samueltc | evan: ok thanks trying.. |
| 19:13.31 | EvanCarroll | samueltc: samueltc you would have to re checksum you httpd.conf |
| 19:13.36 | raha12 | dondelelcaro: i mean, rms/free software movement is pretty specific and i don't want a "gist" or "basing". know what i mean? |
| 19:13.50 | Groundy | EvanCarroll : is there a similar option for dpkg -i ? |
| 19:13.52 | EvanCarroll | samueltc: if that doesn't work try apt-get --purge remove apache, then reinstall it |
| 19:13.56 | raha12 | ricky_clarkson: i'm sorry, no. |
| 19:14.02 | ricky_clarkson | The GPL is far too restrictive as a licence for libraries. |
| 19:14.04 | EvanCarroll | Groundy: dpkg -ri? |
| 19:14.08 | ricky_clarkson | raha12: Don't be sorry, be thankful. |
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| 19:14.27 | Groundy | EvanCarroll : i'll see if i need it |
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| 19:14.48 | raha12 | ricky_clarkson: lol. :-) |
| 19:15.05 | EvanCarroll | Groundy: or dpkg --force-remove-reninst reinst-required |
| 19:15.45 | si|vercat | can I log in to X remotely? |
| 19:16.11 | raha12 | ricky_clarkson: lgpl is sanctioned for libraries? |
| 19:16.18 | EvanCarroll | !remote x |
| 19:16.18 | dpkg | remote x is probably on the X server do, "xhost +<IP or Hostname of machine running the clients>", on the remote machine do "export DISPLAY=<Host|IP of server>:0.0" where 0.0 is the display.screen. Run the app. Ask me about sshx for more security and ease. |
| 19:16.42 | kingsley | What's the best way to connect a 10 year old child's computer to the internet? 1.) Via an open ethernet port on my Actiontec DSL gateway or 2.) Via an extra ethernet port on my box? |
| 19:16.53 | tezem | I get checking for C compiler default output file name... configure: error: C compiler cannot create executables on the configure of jabberd2 whats wrong? |
| 19:17.03 | kamela | carrier pidgeon connection |
| 19:17.10 | kamela | just gotta watch for the latency issue |
| 19:17.22 | Groundy | EvanCarroll : ehh, it's just a rebuilt deb that i forgot to add a changelog entry so it's the same version |
| 19:17.46 | ricky_clarkson | raha12: LGPL used to be called the Library General Public License, but they changed it to Lesser Gen.. |
| 19:17.47 | EvanCarroll | Groundy: you should still be able to force reinstalling it |
| 19:18.04 | Groundy | EvanCarroll : oh of course, |
| 19:18.07 | ricky_clarkson | raha12: Because the FSF is about competition, not cooperation. |
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| 19:18.29 | samueltc | EvanCarroll, ahhhhhhhhhhhh thanks |
| 19:18.53 | raha12 | ricky_clarkson: i didn't infer the fsf and "competition" at all. =/ |
| 19:19.07 | ricky_clarkson | raha12: I know. |
| 19:19.24 | EvanCarroll | samueltc: alternativly you oculd have ran the same things as seen in !md5sum x as it would apply to your httpd.conf |
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| 19:21.30 | Groundy | EvanCarroll : hrumph, it's overwriting version 2.2 with *gasp* version 2.2 |
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| 19:22.35 | nexuslab_ | hi |
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| 19:23.42 | nexuslab_ | i have this problem: i have my debian unstable freezing when i start it normally (not recovery mode) after some seconds/minutes... |
| 19:24.22 | nexuslab_ | it starts the graphical login and after some time it freeze all...also text console |
| 19:24.31 | estel | is it possible to get the .config file belonging to kernel 2.6.8-368 (it is not included in kernel-source-2.6.8) |
| 19:24.35 | mutante | after "apt-get install apache2" "apache2 is already the newest version." , man apache2 says under the files section it would be all in /usr/local/apache2/ but that folder has not been created. Where did the install go then? |
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| 19:24.46 | drac | estel: /boot/config-$(uname -r) |
| 19:25.23 | estel | thanks |
| 19:25.44 | gogo_ | who know tomcat? |
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| 19:25.55 | jayc | how do usb-storage devices show up now? I'm trying to mount my CF reader and it used to be mount /dev/sda1 /mnt/flash but now /dev/sda1 doesn't exist?? the modules load and everything says it recognizes my CF reader so how do I mount it? |
| 19:26.26 | mutante | jayc: are there other scsi devices now? then its maybe /dev/sdb1 now |
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| 19:27.23 | doleyb | jayc: to check, cat /proc/partitions |
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| 19:30.01 | Pappa | any free alternative to teamspeak? |
| 19:30.07 | ep | On my cdrom problem, I wonder why famd decides it needs to nun on ro file fsystems? |
| 19:30.18 | Pappa | 21:29 <Romeo> http://www.videoturk.tr.gs Free Porno Videos |
| 19:30.23 | Pappa | kick? |
| 19:30.42 | ep | mod up |
| 19:30.45 | doleyb | Pappa: how free do you mean? |
| 19:31.05 | Pappa | as in gpl, x window system, bsd etc |
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| 19:34.03 | newdebusr | i just tried to compile my own kernel from source and now kernel panic.... I used dpkg -i kernel_image but lilo doesn't give me a choice of linux or linuxOLD... how can i get back to my old kernel |
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| 19:34.38 | b0xii | newdebusr: cd or bootfloppy? |
| 19:35.15 | newdebusr | install cd is all i have |
| 19:35.19 | andreasj | newdebusr: Try TAB when lilo comes up to make lilo ask you which kernel to boot |
| 19:35.20 | b0xii | yes |
| 19:35.27 | andreasj | newdebusr: You can also boot using the CD |
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| 19:35.40 | deckrider | hi, using Debian/Sarge I have ndiswrapper working for my wifi card, and I also have wpasupplicant detecting my network with my keys....however, how do I get it to run something like "ifup wlan0=home" |
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| 19:35.49 | websdale | Can someone kick Romeo please ? - he spammed me on the way in |
| 19:35.50 | newdebusr | let me try that |
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| 19:36.05 | andreasj | newdebusr: Put in the CD and enter rescbf24 root=/dev/yourrootdevice |
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| 19:36.19 | websdale | or "romeo" rather |
| 19:36.29 | deckrider | websdale: he also spammed me |
| 19:36.32 | shingouz | !ops Romeo is a pr0n spammer |
| 19:36.33 | dpkg | Hydroxide, bob2, caphuso, dondelelcaro, doogie, eeyore-, ElectricElf, greycat, helix, ljlane, LoRez, mentor, Netsnipe, TML, walters, xk: Romeo is a pr0n spammer |
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| 19:36.57 | shingouz | Was, that is |
| 19:37.06 | newdebusr | ok i'm gonna try both of those and get back to you thanks |
| 19:37.20 | deckrider | shingouz: thanks |
| 19:37.50 | shingouz | deckrider: I am not an op here, I just told them that we have an asshat here |
| 19:38.00 | deckrider | ah ok |
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| 19:38.25 | shingouz | dondelelcaro: He already went away |
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| 19:38.48 | zinx | ban him anyway :P |
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| 19:39.34 | aargh | hello, how do i run ntpdate as a demon? |
| 19:39.41 | aargh | daemon |
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| 19:40.09 | shingouz | aargh: apt-get install ntpdate should take care of it |
| 19:40.46 | aargh | shingouz: ntpdate is installed, but not running as a daemon, right now i'm running it thru a cron script |
| 19:40.55 | Groundy | (oops, /names is a bad idea) |
| 19:41.00 | newdebusr | andreasj: the d-i 3 cd i am using only has linux expert linux26 and expert26... no rescbf24 |
| 19:41.26 | shingouz | aargh: How did you install it? I think apt installs it as a daemon |
| 19:41.29 | andreasj | newdebusr: Do you have another CD? CD 1 or CD 5? |
| 19:41.38 | andreasj | Can ntpdate be run as a daemon? |
| 19:41.41 | newdebusr | no just netinstall |
| 19:41.50 | jayc | how do usb-storage devices show up now? I'm trying to mount my CF reader and it used to be mount /dev/sda1 /mnt/flash but now /dev/sda1 doesn't exist?? the modules load and everything says it recognizes my CF reader so how do I mount it? |
| 19:41.53 | Overand | andreasj: you could always use a cron job |
| 19:41.56 | Groundy | andreasj : use ntpd if you want a daemon |
| 19:42.13 | Groundy | jayc : has it maybe moved to /dev/sdb1 ? |
| 19:42.17 | newdebusr | maybe i could try the tab thing to get lilo to give me options. |
| 19:42.21 | jayc | it says something about a device called uba1 but I can't find it |
| 19:42.22 | andreasj | aargh: Or use chrony |
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| 19:42.35 | jayc | gourndy: I tried sdb1, no go |
| 19:42.43 | Groundy | aargh : use ntpd if you want a daemon |
| 19:42.48 | debian-install | i have a problem with udev and my /dev/input/mice ... |
| 19:43.07 | jayc | I don't have any scsi on my laptop, so it should be sda |
| 19:43.10 | Groundy | jayc : um i'm guessing here maybe /dev/usb/somewhere/ |
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| 19:43.13 | debian-install | udev don't make my /dev/inpu/* |
| 19:43.27 | andreasj | jayc: Maybe you need to remove the ub module |
| 19:43.48 | jayc | andreasj: that sounds interesting I'll try that |
| 19:44.04 | saapas | sorry if this is obscure, but is sarge 100% ready to be jigdo-downloaded when it's security is finished? |
| 19:44.04 | nottu | can do something in lilo so it will but the old kernel if the booting of the new kernel fails ? |
| 19:44.28 | aargh | Groundy: thanks, i had to apt-get openntpd package, is this right? |
| 19:44.54 | debian-install | i have a problem with udev and my /dev/input/mice ..., udev don't make my /dev/input/mice ... :( |
| 19:45.15 | Groundy | aargh : um, i'm pretty sure i'm using ntpd |
| 19:45.39 | newdebusr | saapas: the sarge installer d-i 3 didn't even ask me to make a boot floppy and now i am screwed because lilo won't let me choose my old kernel :( |
| 19:45.40 | Groundy | aargh : sorry, you're right |
| 19:45.57 | jayc | andreasj: removing ub doesn't seem to matter |
| 19:45.58 | andreasj | newdebusr: Why didn't you use grub instead? |
| 19:46.15 | Overand | newdebusr: download/make a linux rescue floppy or cd |
| 19:46.18 | aargh | Groundy: thanks, i think its working... will only be able to tell for sure after a few days if my clock is out of whack or not |
| 19:46.20 | Groundy | aargh : nope hang on |
| 19:46.28 | vchrizz | find /srv/ -name '$1' # whats wrong here? |
| 19:46.29 | Groundy | aargh : there's ntp-simple and ntp-refclock |
| 19:46.51 | newdebusr | saapas: it chose lilo for me for some reason... i was installing root on lvm which worked |
| 19:47.26 | Groundy | aargh : openntpd > It only implements a subset of the NTP protocol and does not adjust the rate of the clock |
| 19:47.39 | aargh | Groundy: got it, installed ntp-simple |
| 19:47.46 | aargh | i love debian |
| 19:47.52 | Groundy | aargh : yup :-) |
| 19:47.54 | nottu | what pkg do i have to install so i can use arrows in man for example... and not "more" ? |
| 19:47.55 | tarzeau | !love aargh |
| 19:47.58 | saapas | newdebusr, strange :o |
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| 19:48.15 | Overand | that may not be the latest installer |
| 19:48.20 | Overand | i haven't had a default-to-lilo in ages |
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| 19:48.36 | jayc | when I try to start apache2 I get "VirtualHost _default_:443 --- mixing * ports and non-* ports with a NameVirtualHost address is not supported, proceeding with undefined results" the result is my webserver doesn't work, can anyone help me get it goin? |
| 19:48.37 | Groundy | nottu : less ? |
| 19:48.57 | aargh | tarzeau: haha, didn't know it could do that |
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| 19:49.06 | newdebusr | Overand: it was the latest installer. it had to do with putting root on lvm i think.. |
| 19:49.12 | Overand | that could be |
| 19:49.12 | eeEE | i'm getting: Setting up libapache-mod-php4 (4.3.9-0woody1) ... |
| 19:49.13 | eeEE | /var/lib/dpkg/info/libapache-mod-php4.postinst: apache-modconf: command not found |
| 19:49.21 | tarzeau | aargh: it? |
| 19:49.23 | tarzeau | !gender |
| 19:49.23 | dpkg | I'm not sure |
| 19:49.25 | tarzeau | !gender |
| 19:49.29 | Overand | hm |
| 19:49.44 | aargh | hah, that's messed up man |
| 19:50.07 | Overand | jayc: sounds like you've got a bad virtualhost setup |
| 19:50.14 | Overand | i've got 0 experience with apache2 though |
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| 19:58.01 | nottu | how can i use lilo -R so ONLY the next time i boot i will boot that kernel, and then return to normal |
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| 19:59.13 | deckrider | hi, using Debian/Sarge I have ndiswrapper working for my wifi card, and I also have wpasupplicant detecting my network with my keys....however, how do I get it to run something like "ifup wlan0=home" |
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| 19:59.20 | dondelelcaro | nottu: add the kernel to your lilo.conf so the "normal" kernel is still the default, run lilo; then run lilo -R newkernelname; |
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| 20:00.47 | nottu | dondelelcaro: thx, so i just have to use default=LinuxOLD in the lilo.conf |
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| 20:01.32 | dondelelcaro | nottu: or have the old kernel first, yes. |
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| 20:01.43 | transgress | woohoo porn spam is back! |
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| 20:08.52 | nomed^ | i still can't have my cvs server up .. if someine knows the reason for which PAM authentication give an error .. tell me .. .___. |
| 20:09.16 | drac | ,, ,___. ? |
| 20:09.16 | nomed^ | s/someine/someone |
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| 20:09.19 | MonkeyINAbaG | what is the 'proper' way o0f adding and removing things from various runlevels under debian? |
| 20:09.28 | pipeline | nomed^: PAM is powerful, but it is not simple. |
| 20:09.33 | superbenk | !love superbenk |
| 20:09.33 | drac | nomed^: Something wrong with your keyboard layout. |
| 20:09.36 | pipeline | nomed^: Also, CVS makes children cry. |
| 20:09.42 | superbenk | wtf? |
| 20:10.08 | nomed^ | drac: what do you mean? |
| 20:10.31 | mike123 | Anyone familiar with httptunnel here, im confused on a few things to get it working properly |
| 20:10.36 | nomed^ | pipeline, i'm crying :) |
| 20:10.48 | stouset | nomed^: PAM is simple =P |
| 20:10.49 | drac | nomed^: Charters got replaced with .. and __ |
| 20:11.23 | stouset | drac: I think that was intentional. |
| 20:12.02 | MonkeyINAbaG | do i have to add and remove scripts manually from /etc/rc?.d/ or is there a more decisive way? |
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| 20:12.37 | nomed^ | but .. i was thinking cvs jail makes use of pserver ... i add user passwd with cvsd-passwd |
| 20:12.52 | deckrider | MonkeyINAbaG: man update-rc.d |
| 20:12.57 | nomed^ | why should i receive pam errors .. are pam and pserver related? |
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| 20:13.04 | MonkeyINAbaG | thanks |
| 20:13.24 | nomed^ | this is the error: cvs [login aborted]: unrecognized auth response from box: pam failed to release authenticator |
| 20:13.27 | pack | oh i might have done somthing bad |
| 20:13.46 | pack | tried to move a backuppc directory from one place to another forgetting all the hardlinking it does to save space |
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| 20:14.03 | pack | mv won't deal with it very well i don't suspect |
| 20:14.47 | Groundy | MonkeyINAbaG : it depends if you're writing a package, or doing it as a sysadmin |
| 20:14.54 | Groundy | MonkeyINAbaG : which one is it? |
| 20:15.22 | MonkeyINAbaG | well, mainly as a sysadmin, but i do have some scripts that i want to start on boot |
| 20:15.31 | MonkeyINAbaG | of my own |
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| 20:15.40 | MonkeyINAbaG | they arent sys v things tho |
| 20:15.42 | Groundy | MonkeyINAbaG : yea but you're not packaging them for other to use right? |
| 20:15.51 | MonkeyINAbaG | nope, not at all |
| 20:16.02 | Groundy | MonkeyINAbaG : then just make the symlinks using ln yourself |
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| 20:16.47 | MonkeyINAbaG | will a bash script work in /etc/rc?.d/ ? |
| 20:17.10 | Groundy | MonkeyINAbaG : what I normally do is copy an existing script from in init.d, and link to it |
| 20:17.28 | Groundy | MonkeyINAbaG : then you end up with a template for 'start' 'stop' 'restart' etc... |
| 20:17.33 | nomed^ | well i followed how-to tutorials man .. and everything ... all say the same. no real error. just to figure out why pam doesn't release authenticator .. |
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| 20:19.46 | furrywolf | what's a live cd that, without a hard drive, will let me do a dual-head X setup? |
| 20:20.08 | nomed^ | maybe game-knoppix |
| 20:20.50 | b0ef | is there something similar to AllowMouseOpenFail in x for the keyboard? |
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| 20:23.11 | lamp | i have a fresh sarge install with gdesklets when i try to run ltcandy cpu usage desklet i get a error |
| 20:23.25 | sphere | gee |
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| 20:25.42 | thomas_adam | b0ef: Nope. |
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| 20:25.49 | thomas_adam | lamp: Which is...? |
| 20:26.14 | darkphoenix939 | hey i might get a static ip soon and im having troubles with my modem i have a speedstream 5100 and i cant connect to the internet when i set it to pppoe on computer |
| 20:26.19 | b0ef | thomas_adam: so what can be done then to start xorg without a keyboard? |
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| 20:26.31 | darkphoenix939 | i run pppoe config and everything ends fine but im not connected |
| 20:26.49 | mike123 | Anyone familiar with httptunnel here, im confused on a few things to get it working properly |
| 20:27.13 | darkphoenix939 | i have it set to pppoe on modem right now but i dont know if i will need to set it to pppoe on computer when i order static ip |
| 20:27.29 | darkphoenix939 | and pppoe on modem is the only way i could install debina |
| 20:27.35 | darkphoenix939 | debian* |
| 20:27.49 | spoof | !NMU |
| 20:27.49 | dpkg | somebody said nmu was Non Maintainer Upload, it's when a debian developer which is not the maintainer of a package uploads an update of said package |
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| 20:28.06 | darkphoenix939 | can anyone help |
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| 20:29.41 | Groundy | darkphoenix939 : um, static ip will work with your router i'm sure |
| 20:29.42 | shingouz | darkphoenix939: If you already have the PPPoE running on the modem (which probably acts as a router too) you do not setup PPPoE on your computer anymore. PPPoE will run on the computer only if you have a public ip on it. |
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| 20:30.11 | Groundy | darkphoenix939 : just set up soem port mapping on the router to enable access on your linux box |
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| 20:30.22 | caphuso | if i'd be using xmms, it would be like using a daemon |
| 20:30.34 | darkphoenix939 | yea but i want to run pppoe on the computer not the modem |
| 20:31.01 | Groundy | darkphoenix939 : why run it on the pc? |
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| 20:31.06 | shingouz | darkphoenix939: What kind of an IP you want on your computer and do you have other computers there |
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| 20:31.31 | darkphoenix939 | no only 1 computer the modem only has 1 ethernet port |
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| 20:31.44 | borhanix | I have a dilemma - what do you guys use to design webpages, do you just write code using a text editor or use a tool to make it look pretty |
| 20:31.48 | shingouz | darkphoenix939: Public or private IP? |
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| 20:32.03 | borhanix | (and speed things up) |
| 20:32.34 | darkphoenix939 | dont know |
| 20:32.51 | Groundy | borhanix : personal preferance |
| 20:32.53 | darkphoenix939 | i thought i had a private ip address since it acts like a router |
| 20:32.57 | darkphoenix939 | but dont know |
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| 20:33.12 | ecliptik | is there an settime command in debian? |
| 20:33.18 | shingouz | darkphoenix939: ifconfig and check if the IP is 172.x.x.x, 10.x.x.x, 192.168.x.x |
| 20:33.23 | tarzeau | ecliptik: date |
| 20:33.26 | darkphoenix939 | ok |
| 20:33.35 | Groundy | shingouz : assuming externl ip is real, and all internal boxes have private |
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| 20:33.50 | ecliptik | tarzeau, and that will change a files creation date? |
| 20:33.52 | darkphoenix939 | no |
| 20:33.57 | tarzeau | ecliptik: touch |
| 20:33.58 | shingouz | Groundy: I know but I a m not sure if the modem runs as a router or not |
| 20:34.19 | TwistedEmotions | Sup all... |
| 20:34.23 | Groundy | darkphoenix939 : it used to, it sounds like he wants to change to run as bridge |
| 20:34.28 | ecliptik | tarzeau, thanks |
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| 20:35.21 | shingouz | darkphoenix939: Do you need the PPPoE in the first place... If the modem runs it why not keep it that way |
| 20:35.45 | jcole | what's the gui app for installing a .deb (not synaptic)? |
| 20:35.54 | jcole | nautilus hook |
| 20:36.23 | TwistedEmotions | deadcat: U there? |
| 20:36.26 | shingouz | jcole: Just one package? dpkg --install foo.bar.deb |
| 20:36.46 | darkphoenix939 | just in case when they install the static ip they need to run pppoe on the computer |
| 20:36.54 | darkphoenix939 | they said they will come to install it when i called |
| 20:37.06 | mindmedic | jcole, you dont need a frontend for such trivial stuff |
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| 20:37.24 | shingouz | darkphoenix939: Usually they do not if they do not use PPPoE with dynamics either |
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| 20:37.49 | mindmedic | don't be afraid of the console.. its väry powerful |
| 20:38.04 | jcole | shingouz mindmedic: agreed. i forgot the name of it... maybe gdpkg or something... |
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| 20:38.31 | shingouz | jcole: Just one package.. geee... GUI for that :( |
| 20:38.50 | darkphoenix939 | well i ran pppoe on the computer when i ran mandrake (only thing that kept me from installing debian was that pppoeconf did not work after install) |
| 20:39.04 | jcole | shingouz: i'm setting up some machines, not for myself |
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| 20:39.22 | lamp | <PROTECTED> |
| 20:39.22 | lamp | <PROTECTED> |
| 20:39.22 | lamp | <PROTECTED> |
| 20:39.22 | lamp | <PROTECTED> |
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| 20:39.25 | darkphoenix939 | jus found out it could act as a router the other week so i installed debian then |
| 20:39.27 | jcole | shingouz: i'll just write a nautilus script under .gnome2 |
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| 20:39.44 | thomas_adam | !tell lamp -about msg |
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| 20:39.52 | shingouz | darkphoenix939: So do you need the PPPoE or not? You just told me you do not run it now and yuo are able to connect to the network and now you are going with PPPoE |
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| 20:40.24 | lamp | that is the error i get |
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| 20:40.47 | darkphoenix939 | im doing it just in case they need it to run on computer but i guess i dont now since you guys said it will not |
| 20:40.48 | soads | how to disable ssh access? (ftp access don't have to be disabled? |
| 20:40.50 | soads | how to disable ssh access? (ftp access don't have to be disabled) |
| 20:41.23 | streuner | soads: /etc/init.d/ssh stop |
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| 20:41.35 | shingouz | darkphoenix939: If you have PPPoE running there at the very moment you may need it with the static IP. If you do not have PPPoE running there you probably will not need it in the future either |
| 20:41.39 | JoshH | soads: set the shell to /bin/false in /etc/passwd if you just want to make sure that a user will only be able to login with ftp |
| 20:41.47 | JoshH | and not ssh |
| 20:41.47 | darkphoenix939 | ok then |
| 20:41.49 | darkphoenix939 | ty |
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| 20:42.07 | darkphoenix939 | i g2g eat now bye |
| 20:42.10 | soads | JoshH: if i set /bin/false, then ftp access doens't work |
| 20:42.10 | soads | .> |
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| 20:42.21 | JoshH | soads: what ftp server? |
| 20:42.26 | soads | proftpd |
| 20:42.28 | JoshH | usually there is an option to not require a valid shell |
| 20:42.44 | lamp | thomas_adam, do you know what this error is about |
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| 20:42.55 | nomed^ | ummm ... maybe it's the same for cvs .. is it possible? |
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| 20:43.09 | JoshH | put RequireValidShell off in proftpd.conf |
| 20:43.37 | madclicker | ahoy |
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| 20:44.29 | soads | ty JoshH |
| 20:44.42 | TwistedEmotions | Why do people use Sarge in apt source file instead of just unstable? |
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| 20:45.02 | streuner | !tell TwistedEmotions about sid faq |
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| 20:47.10 | tarzeau | TwistedEmotions: would you run 100+ machines on unstable (if you had 100+ users)? |
| 20:47.20 | tarzeau | TwistedEmotions: and all machines were on the internet directly? |
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| 20:48.45 | TwistedEmotions | tarzeau: So basically it could be problematic... |
| 20:48.49 | TwistedEmotions | I get it.. |
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| 20:49.13 | tarzeau | TwistedEmotions: well imagine some of them want gnome, some kde. these metapackages are constantly broken |
| 20:49.18 | TwistedEmotions | Just wanted to know why sarge instead of unstable... because sarge is unstable. |
| 20:49.27 | furrywolf | well, the %@$#%@!!ing box seems to work fine as long as I don't use the agp slot... so going to do to it what I do to every box... install debian. |
| 20:49.32 | tarzeau | no, sarge is testing |
| 20:49.33 | madclicker | how can i setup a directory to keep user and group id's set the same for new files? |
| 20:49.35 | furrywolf | still won't POST if there's an agp card. |
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| 20:49.57 | TwistedEmotions | tarzeau: Ohh... NOW it makes sense |
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| 20:50.13 | streuner | TwistedEmotions: read the URL |
| 20:50.18 | TwistedEmotions | I did... |
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| 20:50.34 | streuner | damn, you are fast |
| 20:50.39 | P8ntKid | how can i get firefox |
| 20:50.41 | P8ntKid | i have tried |
| 20:50.45 | TwistedEmotions | doesnt mention where I can see package names... like doesnt show woody = stable sarge - test |
| 20:50.45 | P8ntKid | Apt-get install firefox |
| 20:50.59 | streuner | !info mozilla-firefox |
| 20:51.04 | dpkg | mozilla-firefox: (lightweight web browser based on Mozilla), section web, is optional. Version: 1.0.3-2 (sid), Packaged size: 8672 kB, Installed size: 24368 kB |
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| 20:51.15 | TwistedEmotions | streuner: It's like 1 page... and i havent click on any links in there |
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| 20:52.16 | P8ntKid | Another question, how can i change my ftp? The one i used when i installed debian doesnt work anymore and i want to change it |
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| 20:52.33 | P8ntKid | becuase now i cant download anything from apt |
| 20:52.42 | coruptkid | hello all |
| 20:52.44 | madclicker | what is a sticky bit? |
| 20:52.53 | streuner | P8ntKid: run 'apt-setup' as root |
| 20:53.01 | coruptkid | can someone tell me how to find out the debian kernel version?? |
| 20:53.09 | tarzeau | coruptkid: uname -a |
| 20:53.09 | streuner | !faq madclicker |
| 20:53.10 | dpkg | madclicker: http://www.linuks.mine.nu/debian-faq-wiki/ |
| 20:53.10 | TwistedEmotions | So... basically... stable = only security updates.... testing = it's been tested and should run fine... unstable = good luck... beta kinda deal |
| 20:53.15 | coruptkid | tnx |
| 20:53.19 | tarzeau | coruptkid: there's no debian kernel |
| 20:53.26 | tarzeau | coruptkid: debian has mach, linux and kfreebsd |
| 20:53.32 | P8ntKid | thank you streuner |
| 20:53.36 | coruptkid | i mean the linux kernel it runs on |
| 20:53.39 | coruptkid | the version |
| 20:53.45 | amphi | tarzeau: and l4 soom, I hope :) |
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| 20:59.35 | madclicker | streuner: how can i set a directory (var/www/html/virtual.com) to have automaticaly set permision to "web1user.www-data" on file creation ? |
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| 20:59.49 | thomas_adam | madclicker: SGUID. |
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| 20:59.55 | Callie | hi, im trying to connect to my home pc from work can anyone help me? |
| 21:00.06 | toresbe | Callie: shoot |
| 21:00.22 | Callie | ive never done this before so im kind of lost |
| 21:00.35 | Callie | i have the IP of my pc at home here with me |
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| 21:00.38 | stew | madclicker: you can't make the owner be web1user but if you chown the directory to www-data and chmod g+s the directory, new files will by default be owned by the www-data group |
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| 21:00.47 | colter | I'd like to strip the (multiline) comments out of an SQL script before processing it - without a temporary file. The only way I can think of doing this is reading everything into a scalar, processing the comments out, then continue processing. How many mistakes am I making, and where? ;-) |
| 21:01.01 | streuner | Callie: does sshd running at your home PC? |
| 21:01.08 | setog3 | Hi , I don't remember the utility that display what app use a file |
| 21:01.13 | setog3 | do you remember ? |
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| 21:01.18 | thomas_adam | colter: use 'sed -i' if your version of sed supports it. |
| 21:01.27 | deadcat | setog3: lsof / fuser |
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| 21:01.40 | Callie | streuner: im not sure to be honest, i certainly dont remember disabling it |
| 21:02.12 | streuner | Callie: if you back home, read man sshd_config and set it up |
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| 21:02.27 | madclicker | stew: but how about other website owners, won't they be able to cd to any other directories? |
| 21:02.33 | streuner | Callie: how are you connected to i-net, hardware-router? |
| 21:02.38 | P8ntKid | another question, is there anyway i can view wmv videos on linux? |
| 21:02.48 | thomas_adam | P8ntKid: mplayer. |
| 21:02.56 | P8ntKid | ok |
| 21:02.59 | stew | madclicker: they will if the directory is 775 |
| 21:03.05 | P8ntKid | i heard i needed to get a whole bunch of codecs |
| 21:03.07 | streuner | P8ntKide: you need the codec |
| 21:03.12 | P8ntKid | where can i get them? |
| 21:03.16 | P8ntKid | so |
| 21:03.20 | streuner | P8ntKide: /msg dpkg marillat |
| 21:03.22 | colter | thomas_adam: Is there a pure perl way (even though it may seem more complicated)? I'm doing this more as a learning perl excercise, there's no practical use for this |
| 21:03.29 | P8ntKid | apt-get install w32codecs ??? |
| 21:03.33 | madclicker | stew: what should it be 700? |
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| 21:03.57 | streuner | P8ntKide: yes |
| 21:03.59 | thomas_adam | colter: I'd need to know what these multiline comments look like. I'd use ruby myself.... |
| 21:03.59 | stew | madclicker: uhh i dunno |
| 21:04.03 | P8ntKid | ok thanks a lot |
| 21:04.05 | stew | madclicker: not sure what you are asking |
| 21:04.10 | P8ntKid | you guys help me out soo much |
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| 21:05.08 | Avantopia | anyone here know the BEST way to split an 8GB iso into two files? |
| 21:05.15 | thomas_adam | Avantopia: dd |
| 21:05.17 | deadcat | Avantopia: split |
| 21:05.36 | Avantopia | thomas_adam, what kind of options? |
| 21:05.37 | TwistedEmotions | Avantopia: Carefully.. |
| 21:05.38 | amphi | Avantopia: split(1) ? |
| 21:05.42 | colter | thomas_adam: simple C-type /* comments */ |
| 21:05.51 | pipeline | Avantopia: dd is definitely what you watn. |
| 21:06.02 | Avantopia | pipeline, k00 |
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| 21:06.15 | Callie | streuner: yes we have a hardware router |
| 21:06.30 | madclicker | stew let say u have 5 different websites in /var/www/html/, and they are maintained by different companies. I am trying to allow them to ftp to their respective directories and create upload etc.. files but not to be able to cd '..' and allso make the files keep their permissions |
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| 21:07.15 | thomas_adam | colter: sed -ne '/\/\*/,/\*\//p' ./some_file |
| 21:07.24 | streuner | Callie: make sure port 22 is directly connected to your box then |
| 21:07.27 | colter | thomas_adam: thanks |
| 21:07.32 | TwistedEmotions | I need a new router... anyone heard anything about the cisco 800 series... they look nice but... |
| 21:07.37 | P8ntKid | urrr, now it wont let me go to apt-setup |
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| 21:07.49 | impact24 | hi...just wanna ask in case anyone has some insights: is DRAC really just for sendmail? |
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| 21:08.31 | P8ntKid | i get this message when i try to do apt-setup |
| 21:08.32 | P8ntKid | debconf: DbDriver "config": /var/cache/debconf/config.dat is locked by another process |
| 21:08.43 | Callie | streuner: Im not sure that it is, is there any way to connect with HTML interface of the router from here or will i need to make adjustments from home ? |
| 21:08.46 | deadcat | P8ntKid: problem solved |
| 21:08.59 | P8ntKid | ??? |
| 21:09.20 | deadcat | P8ntKid: ps -ef and see if anything is using debconf. like apt-get upgrade |
| 21:09.21 | streuner | Callie: pretty depends on your hardware-router... |
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| 21:09.47 | P8ntKid | k |
| 21:09.47 | streuner | Callie: usually you must set that up first |
| 21:10.04 | Callie | streuner: i feared as much |
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| 21:15.41 | madclicker | stew let say u have 5 different websites in /var/www/html/, and they are maintained by different companies. I am trying to allow them to ftp to their respective directories and create upload etc.. files but not to be able to cd '..' and allso make the files keep their permissions? |
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| 21:18.28 | codebyte | hi, i've installed msttcorefonts, and now i can use them in gimp, openoffice...but firefox can't see theme. any idea ? thanks |
| 21:18.55 | mrwoody | I have been trying to eject my dvd. I get a "device is busy" and fuser /dev/scd1 doesn't return anything. How to find out what is making the dvd busy? |
| 21:18.56 | oladola | <PROTECTED> |
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| 21:19.55 | mike_ | I just want to confirm what I'm thinking before I screw something up... |
| 21:20.29 | mike_ | If I'm uninstalling a package, and it shows that it'll also uninstall 'gnome', |
| 21:21.04 | nagura | hi, how can i fix "unkown device" in a volume group? |
| 21:21.04 | drac | mike_: It's only a meta-package, can be safely removed. |
| 21:21.06 | doleyb | mrwoody, try lsof|grep scd |
| 21:21.10 | mike_ | 'gnome' is just meaning that the complete set of packages that comprise 'gnome' won't be there. I'm not literally uninstalling gnome, right? |
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| 21:21.21 | mike_ | drac: exactly what I thought. Thank you :) |
| 21:21.31 | mike_ | Just didn't want to find out I was wrong the hard way. heh |
| 21:21.33 | oladola | does anybody know why I have this error restarting squid ?? : decode_addr: unsafe IP address: '0.0.0.0.0' |
| 21:21.36 | mrwoody | doleyb: nothing |
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| 21:24.56 | IRCMonkeyaaaa | all of a sudden my sent folder does not show who mails were sent to only who sent them which is always me |
| 21:25.01 | IRCMonkeyaaaa | in mozilla |
| 21:25.23 | mrwoody | IRCMonkeyaaaa: wrong channel? |
| 21:25.24 | IRCMonkeyaaaa | has anyone had this happen to them before ? |
| 21:25.36 | jon_ | how do i convert an RPM to a deb file |
| 21:25.43 | jon_ | i forgot how to do it but dont you have to use python? |
| 21:25.59 | streuner | jon_: what app? |
| 21:26.03 | IRCMonkeyaaaa | mrwoody, do you mean that i should ask in #mozilla ? |
| 21:26.05 | jon_ | mplayer |
| 21:26.11 | mrwoody | use alien |
| 21:26.13 | jon_ | i cant find it for debian anywhere |
| 21:26.14 | jon_ | ok |
| 21:26.17 | simonrvn | alien, if you can't find it at PDO or apt-cache search |
| 21:26.17 | jon_ | how do i do this |
| 21:26.22 | streuner | !tell jon_ about mplayer |
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| 21:26.32 | mrwoody | jon_ but I don't advice you that |
| 21:26.34 | streuner | marillat have it in his repo |
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| 21:26.44 | streuner | !mplayer |
| 21:26.44 | dpkg | not packaged by debian for licensing issues, you want to use vlc or xine instead. if not, either see <marillat> or <cerkinfo> for pre-built debs, or if you really want to build, build a deb from the source tarball at http://www.mplayerhq.hu/homepage/design7/dload.html, or ask me about <mplayer faq> |
| 21:26.46 | mrwoody | jon_ compile it by yourself |
| 21:27.10 | streuner | jon_: try xine or vlc as well |
| 21:27.24 | jon_ | is there w32 codecs for xine? |
| 21:27.34 | mutante | thats what Seti@home does when they finally make contact |
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| 21:27.37 | mutante | "man alien" ;) |
| 21:27.38 | streuner | jon_: marillat |
| 21:27.47 | jon_ | what is that? |
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| 21:27.56 | schlurchz | :-) |
| 21:28.16 | streuner | jon_: if you would READ the fsecked factoid you would know it |
| 21:28.28 | jon_ | i did |
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| 21:28.43 | jon_ | it said comething about it, but not how to get it or how to get to it |
| 21:29.00 | streuner | !tell jon_ about marillat |
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| 21:29.31 | mrwoody | I have been trying to eject my dvd. I get a "device is busy" and fuser /dev/scd1 doesn't return anything. How to find out what is making the dvd busy? |
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| 21:30.21 | simonrvn | people whine about "linux on the desktop" all the time, but they fail to see this (http://www.osnews.com/story.php?news_id=6837) as a way of shooting M$hit out of the water. |
| 21:31.22 | cureless | mrwoody: lsof | grep /mnt/dvd (or whatever) |
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| 21:31.55 | mrwoody | cureless: doesn't give me anything |
| 21:32.49 | cureless | mrwoody: you sure you're not confusing dvd with cdrom or something like that right? (just checking) |
| 21:33.01 | cureless | or that you have some music program playing music |
| 21:33.07 | mrwoody | cureless: how can I confuse cdrom with dvd? |
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| 21:33.27 | cureless | mrwoody: messed up the links of /dev/hdd or /dev/scd or something? |
| 21:33.31 | onre | simonrvn, how odd :) i've been deploying almost exactly the described stuff for a couple of years already, and yes, customers like the systems |
| 21:33.31 | mrwoody | cureless: no music program.. .and it is a movie dvd. Anyway if there was such a software, fuser would have told me |
| 21:33.38 | mrwoody | cureless: I tried also that |
| 21:34.02 | cureless | mrwoody: how about starting xine and trying to eject from that since it's a movie dvd |
| 21:34.05 | simonrvn | onre: i'm on my way to do that. i've got krb5 working now. and have had ldap working for quite a while |
| 21:34.28 | reto | hmm.. can somebody try to build ruby1.8 on a sid box? I get strange patch errors here.. but it should work |
| 21:34.39 | reto | apt-get source ruby1.8 .. etc |
| 21:34.40 | kingsley | I'd like to connect two computers via ethernet. Is there a typical distance that ethernet signals can reliably be transmitted over a type of cable whose name I don't know, but which resembles a big (US) phone cord? |
| 21:34.41 | onre | simonrvn, yup... replacing the windows dc's in a single-domain network is easy. on multiple-domain stuff it gets a little hairy but can still be done. |
| 21:34.47 | mrwoody | cureless: how to eject with xine? |
| 21:34.59 | thomas_adam | reto: it works fine. |
| 21:35.08 | simonrvn | onre: yup. seen a couple people do it already |
| 21:35.15 | reto | hmm.. in this second it worked on my sid box.. strange .. |
| 21:35.19 | reto | hmmm |
| 21:35.29 | reto | I'm sorry :) |
| 21:35.29 | cureless | mrwoody: e, or open the graphical ui 'g'.. I think. man xine |
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| 21:36.22 | mrwoody | cureless: input_dvd: CDROMEJECT failed: Device or resource busy |
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| 21:36.51 | cureless | kingsley: connect 2 computers over ethernet (UTP cable) with a crossover cable. Chances are you're not at the max/min ethernet lenght. |
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| 21:37.19 | cureless | mrwoody: can you still play the movie? |
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| 21:37.35 | mrwoody | cureless: yes, but the dvd has some problems... so after a while it will stop |
| 21:37.53 | simonrvn | onre: i'm using heimdal for kerby, fyi |
| 21:37.55 | madclicker | how do i set a directory to be gusid? |
| 21:38.22 | caphuso | madclicker: to be what? |
| 21:38.29 | kingsley | Which command reveals NIC eth0 is on? |
| 21:38.37 | onre | simonrvn, yup, that's worked best so far for me too |
| 21:38.54 | simonrvn | onre: links in really well to ldap ;) |
| 21:39.10 | cureless | mrwoody: I dunno, no lsof, no fuser, probably not mounted...etc. I wonder if the dvd errors have created the "lock". Maybe go down to single user mode and try. |
| 21:39.12 | furrywolf | so what do I do with an AGP-less box? heh |
| 21:39.23 | Avantopia | pipeline, can you give me an example of how to use dd to split an 8GB file? |
| 21:39.29 | cureless | kingsley: which command reveals what? (probable answer is ifconfig) |
| 21:39.34 | furrywolf | why not use split? |
| 21:39.42 | madclicker | caphuso: to be a directory that if any user creates a file it will inherit the folders user and group settings |
| 21:40.08 | cureless | Avantopia: dd bs=xxx count=xxx , then next time use skip=xxx |
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| 21:40.19 | simonrvn | onre: there's a patch to have debian's current 0.6.3 do subtree searches on a DS; so dbname=ldap:dc=foo,dc=bar works |
| 21:40.27 | caphuso | madclicker: you mean setgid. same way you do it for files. read the chmod docs |
| 21:40.27 | joloc | madclicker: chmod 2755 DIR |
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| 21:40.46 | Avantopia | cureless, what if I don't know the bs or count numbers? how do I calculate? |
| 21:40.55 | onre | simonrvn, great... i've thought of debianizing my standard setup. now it relies on a couple of self compiled components which of course sucks. |
| 21:41.22 | kingsley | cureless: Thanks for asking. I'm wondering which command will tell me which of my two network interface cards (NICs) is being used by eth0. lspci -vv reveals detailed information about both NICs, but I don't see any matching information in ifconfig's output. |
| 21:41.38 | cureless | Avantopia: why not use split? the bs you can set to whatever. The count, well, just multiply by bs to give you the size you'll get. |
| 21:41.47 | furrywolf | kingsley: ping through one, and see which led blinks? :) |
| 21:42.01 | cureless | kingsley: dmesg | grep eth0 |
| 21:42.02 | furrywolf | ifconfig isn't listing the irq, etc of the cards? |
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| 21:43.45 | Avantopia | cureless, I can use split... I just want to do something like this... 8GB file with MD5 split the file into two and create MD5s for each file... then be able to burn them to dvd with md5s and from the seperate dvds be able to combine the files at a later point in time and have the original MD5 verify correctly. |
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| 21:43.51 | Avantopia | I have never tried anything like this. |
| 21:44.05 | Avantopia | usually I don't back up to DVD. |
| 21:44.15 | cureless | Avantopia: man split |
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| 21:44.20 | Avantopia | cureless, k |
| 21:44.34 | kingsley | cureless: Great. You nailed it. The IRQ matched. Thanks. |
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| 21:44.39 | jon_ | hey |
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| 21:44.58 | jon_ | Does anyone know how to get w32 codecs for xine? |
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| 21:45.10 | jon_ | or does anyone know how to get mplayer for debian? |
| 21:45.13 | kingsley | cureless: Oops, I take that back, lspci reports both NICs use the same IRQ. |
| 21:45.19 | caphuso | jon_: /msg dpkg marillat |
| 21:45.26 | kingsley | cureless: Unfortunately, I need to go at the moment. |
| 21:45.39 | cureless | kingsley: unfortunately for you :-) |
| 21:45.41 | Oct | any recent problem in postfix in the sid ? |
| 21:45.54 | cureless | "in the sid"? |
| 21:46.05 | Oct | my dpkg-reconfigure spits something on the CLI and does not reconfigure the package as expected |
| 21:47.21 | EvilSporkMan | does tar -clpsf stay on one filesystem, or will it grab everything mounted if i run it on /? |
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| 21:48.18 | streuner | Oct: read BTS |
| 21:48.30 | Oct | :) |
| 21:48.32 | Oct | i do that |
| 21:48.35 | jon_ | once i get mplayer, do i need to get any special codecs? or will it be ready to go to play wmv files |
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| 21:49.49 | rsp | evening. what do I need to do in order to be able to use scp in batch mode? (-B) |
| 21:49.58 | stew | jon_: w32codecs |
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| 21:50.57 | MASoft | I find a very cool Comparison between linux and Windows ! (but unfortunately it contains Ubuntu and SuSE. not the main Debian) http://www.linux-dubai.com/modules/news/article.php?storyid=44 |
| 21:51.06 | herregud | does one have to create a initrd.img to read the root device when setting up a new kernel in debian? I am attempting to use a 2.6.8 vanilla kernel? |
| 21:51.38 | jon_ | how can i get the w32codecs |
| 21:51.41 | jon_ | can i just do |
| 21:51.50 | jon_ | apt-get install w32codecs ??? |
| 21:51.52 | stew | yes |
| 21:52.08 | JoshH | jon_: /msg dpkg marillat |
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| 21:52.15 | stew | herregud: why use a vanilla 2.6.8 kernel instead of a debian kernel? |
| 21:52.36 | darkcmd | hey guys.. what usually changes in a branch in debian.. once they freeze it.. (talking about testing) |
| 21:52.48 | JoshH | security updates |
| 21:52.50 | MASoft | Where can I find the first version of Linux ? |
| 21:52.51 | JoshH | really important stuff |
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| 21:52.56 | jon_ | will woody packages work with sarge? |
| 21:53.01 | herregud | Because it should work. It was just annoying me.. I am going to do a debian kernel next |
| 21:53.01 | stew | herregud: if you insist on compiling and insist on initrd, then make sure cramfs is enabled in the kernel and pass the --initrd option to make-kpkg |
| 21:53.06 | tarzeau | jon_: why? |
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| 21:53.14 | darkcmd | JoshH: is that it |
| 21:53.16 | diesel | How do I obtain mkntpwd? |
| 21:53.19 | tarzeau | jon_: generally don't ever mix |
| 21:53.24 | JoshH | herregud: better yet, dont use an initrd |
| 21:53.27 | jon_ | k |
| 21:53.28 | tarzeau | diesel: packages.debian.org |
| 21:53.29 | jon_ | nvm then |
| 21:53.31 | jon_ | i wont |
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| 21:53.42 | JoshH | jon_: marillat's repo has woody, sarge, and sid packages |
| 21:53.53 | herregud | I wouls prefer not to .. I just get this VFS erro that it cant read root device.. |
| 21:54.03 | stew | herregud: i don't know which kernel version added cramfs support to the vanilla sources. for some older kernels you need to add a cramfs patch (or use a different fs for initrd) |
| 21:54.12 | JoshH | do you have the driver for your filesystem compiled in or modulized? |
| 21:54.19 | JoshH | your root filesystem that is |
| 21:54.23 | stew | herregud: then skip the initrd, but compile modules for your disk controller and fs directly into the kernel |
| 21:54.26 | jon_ | JoshH, i know but the sarge packages say unstable |
| 21:54.28 | jon_ | or testing |
| 21:54.34 | JoshH | jon_: sarge == testing |
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| 21:54.42 | stew | jon_: no sarge == frozen |
| 21:54.44 | jon_ | oooo ok |
| 21:54.47 | jon_ | i see |
| 21:55.00 | JoshH | well ya |
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| 21:55.06 | darkcmd | it will be stable soon though :D |
| 21:55.08 | JoshH | but for the purposes of that site |
| 21:55.09 | diesel | mkntpwd "Can't find that package, at least not ... " |
| 21:55.10 | JoshH | use the testing ones |
| 21:55.17 | darkcmd | I've been waiting for this day forever :D |
| 21:55.18 | oladola | my squid doesn't work ... I have a basic squid.confh, but it doesn't work ... ttp://www.rafb.net/paste/results/ZKyDh510.html |
| 21:55.54 | herregud | stew_ I did that..I compiled EXT3 directly to the kernel (root partition) and all IDE stuff is there |
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| 21:56.10 | jon_ | every time i try to open the mplayer package it gives me an error |
| 21:56.20 | diesel | From documentation that I have read on the internet, mkntpwd was once in the samba-doc pkg. |
| 21:56.24 | jon_ | it says |
| 21:56.31 | stew | herregud: did you definately get the correct ide driver for your controller? |
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| 21:56.39 | challenged | oh with sarge going stable soon etc......my sources has testing should i be changing that to something else?....sarge maybee? |
| 21:56.48 | jon_ | "couldnt Display "home/joe/blablabla |
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| 21:56.50 | herregud | thats what I am wondering... How do I verify that? |
| 21:56.55 | herregud | lspci |
| 21:56.59 | stew | challenged: depends on if you want to stick with testing or sarge when sarge becomes stable |
| 21:57.02 | stew | herregud: yes |
| 21:57.19 | darkcmd | challenged: yes.. so you don't happen to upgrade to etch once sarge releases :D |
| 21:57.28 | darkcmd | unless you want to |
| 21:57.34 | challenged | stew: probably sarge as Sid will become testing then wouldnt it |
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| 21:57.51 | stew | challenged: no sid is always unstable, etch will be testing next |
| 21:57.52 | jon_ | does anybody know my problem? |
| 21:57.53 | challenged | sid atm = etch in next cycle? |
| 21:58.05 | darkcmd | challenged: sid is always unstable |
| 21:58.15 | darkcmd | the new testing = etch |
| 21:58.33 | convidado | tem açguém ai do Rj? |
| 21:59.01 | stew | !br |
| 21:59.01 | dpkg | Por favor use #debian-br (/j #debian-br) para ajuda em portugues. |
| 21:59.05 | dabreegster | If nget has retrieved some of the headers from a Usenet group, can I make it grab a file that's already found in the headers without getting the rest of them? It's not documented, but I thought somebody might know. |
| 21:59.12 | challenged | so is etch....sarge with more changes coming .....or is it etch a new |
| 21:59.20 | jon_ | how can i install a deb file while in terminal |
| 21:59.25 | darkcmd | where can I view the freeze announcement |
| 21:59.27 | jon_ | becuase its not working normally |
| 21:59.28 | dabreegster | jon_: dpkg -i file |
| 21:59.30 | stew | jon_: dpkg -i /path/to/deb |
| 21:59.31 | challenged | and who the hell was etch in toystory? |
| 21:59.35 | dabreegster | jon_: as root |
| 21:59.39 | jon_ | ok |
| 21:59.40 | stew | challenged: etch-a-sketch |
| 21:59.46 | dabreegster | challenged: the etch-a-sketch thing |
| 21:59.59 | convidado | valeu muleque? |
| 22:00.07 | convidado | valeu muleque! |
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| 22:00.10 | challenged | ahh:.... |
| 22:00.12 | stew | !portuguese |
| 22:00.12 | dpkg | extra, extra, read all about it, portuguese is the most beautiful idiom of the world, or #debian-br, or por favor use #debian-br para ajuda em portugues. |
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| 22:00.25 | challenged | i want my buzz-box back 8/ |
| 22:00.26 | dabreegster | convidado: /j #debian-br |
| 22:00.52 | jon_ | Thank you |
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| 22:01.26 | joe323 | hey all |
| 22:02.23 | herregud | stew: what should I be looking for in lspci to know exactly what my disk controller is? |
| 22:02.25 | challenged | !wave |
| 22:02.25 | dpkg | /me waves at $1 |
| 22:02.35 | stew | herregud: lspci | grep IDE |
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| 22:02.54 | joe323 | i made a 1 character typo that was a big one, i typed `chmod 751 -R /bin` instead of `chmod 751 -R ./bin`, doh, i believe almost all files in /bin are same permission, can anyone tell me what permission that is? |
| 22:02.56 | stew | !factinfo wave |
| 22:02.56 | dpkg | wave -- created by leith <~leith@babc273-1301-dhcp242.bu.edu> at Thu Dec 19 19:02:57 2002 (868 days); it has been requested 12 times, last by challenged, 32s ago. |
| 22:03.09 | challenged | IDE Interface: Intel Corp. 82371AB/EB |
| 22:03.12 | Loevborg | does anyone know of a program to print out .html texts in a more readable and convenient fashion, e.g. in multiple collumns? (ie. probably not inside the browser) |
| 22:03.21 | challenged | something like thta |
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| 22:03.57 | Avantopia | M$ G00N : http://www.hackiis6.com/images/roger_grimes.jpg |
| 22:04.02 | madclicker | joloc: what umask would i set up for proftp on the /var/www/html/website1 directory so that when webadmin logs in the new files will remain "apache.apache" |
| 22:04.14 | jcole | ok, is firefox a fork of mozilla or do they use the same engine? |
| 22:04.30 | simonrvn | !wave |
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| 22:04.34 | simonrvn | fixed |
| 22:04.46 | simonrvn | @wave |
| 22:04.46 | ravenbird | /me waves at $1 |
| 22:04.47 | darkcmd | jcole: its a browser released by mozilla.org |
| 22:04.52 | r3m | Hi, if i want to know where is the line 198 in a file what is the command please, thanks! |
| 22:04.54 | challenged | jcole: different renderer i think |
| 22:04.56 | joe323 | no one can ls -l /bin and tell me permission of one of the files? lol |
| 22:05.00 | darkcmd | they basically wanted to strip the mail client.. and stuff |
| 22:05.06 | simonrvn | @wave |
| 22:05.09 | jcole | darkcmd: really, didn't know that, amazing |
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| 22:05.21 | drac | ~wave simonrvn |
| 22:05.23 | apt | Bye, simonrvn |
| 22:05.36 | challenged | !wave simonrvn |
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| 22:05.46 | r3m | Hi, if i want to know where is the line 198 in a file what is the command please, thanks!. |
| 22:05.48 | jcole | challenged: are you sure? |
| 22:05.56 | challenged | !cheer simonrvn |
| 22:06.36 | jcole | challenged: i'm using mozilla and someone here says they don't think i'll see sites the same as firefox would |
| 22:07.08 | jcole | challenged: maybe something in about:config ? |
| 22:07.17 | challenged | jcole: im pretty sure .....www.mozilla.org will give you a project info or something....im pretty sure the render engine changed |
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| 22:07.45 | congtu | hey checking if we can compile an X-Qt application... FAILED |
| 22:07.50 | congtu | can someone help me? |
| 22:07.59 | stew | congtu: what are you trying to compile? |
| 22:08.05 | congtu | kvirc |
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| 22:08.10 | congtu | source code |
| 22:08.21 | stew | !info kvirc |
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| 22:08.25 | dpkg | kvirc: (Fully scriptable graphical IRC client with plugin support), section net, is optional. Version: 2:2.1.3.1-2 (sid), Packaged size: 1429 kB, Installed size: 4284 kB |
| 22:08.25 | stew | !wayc congtu |
| 22:08.26 | dpkg | congtu: Why are you compiling instead of using apt-get? |
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| 22:08.39 | challenged | jcole: well there are different bugs between mozilla and firefox so yeah they do view differently but i wouldnt say that its a huge difference ...its still close and legible |
| 22:08.49 | congtu | stew: it's kvirc3 |
| 22:09.32 | streuner | congtu: sid? |
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| 22:09.37 | congtu | yeah |
| 22:09.53 | streuner | congtu: #debian-kde |
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| 22:10.04 | jcole | challenged: i thought under help->about and looking at the gecko version was what was important |
| 22:10.32 | congtu | oh thanks: D |
| 22:10.39 | Groundy | oh, ffs |
| 22:10.41 | dondelelcaro | Groundy: please don't do that. |
| 22:10.41 | streuner | Groundy: silly |
| 22:10.44 | EvilSporkMan | does tar do any sort of compression? I just did a cd / && tar -clpsf /mnt/somewhereelse/foo.tar * and the created file is a full 0.5 G smaller than the used space on my root partition |
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| 22:10.55 | congtu | I got ping from Groundy |
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| 22:11.25 | streuner | EvilSporkMan: /msg dpkg tar |
| 22:11.31 | Groundy | ugh, i meant to /part not /p (which bitchx thinks is /ping) |
| 22:11.43 | dondelelcaro | heh |
| 22:11.58 | dondelelcaro | let that be a lesson to you for using bitchx. |
| 22:12.03 | EvilSporkMan | streuner: i fail to see how that helps... i know it isn't supposed to compress, but i can't explain the smaller filesize |
| 22:12.15 | Groundy | dondelelcaro : ehh, it's not my normal client, |
| 22:12.18 | thierry | Listen This : Hot Stream ---> http://piripiri012.webperoni.de/zimmbi.m3u |
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| 22:12.29 | jcole | EvilSporkMan: tar does not do compression, but the node information can be quite large (on the filesystem) if you have alot of directories, therefore making your resulting tar file smaller |
| 22:12.29 | Groundy | dondelelcaro : in fact i'm here to try and fix ipsec issues :-( |
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| 22:12.33 | a-865 | <PROTECTED> |
| 22:12.50 | EvilSporkMan | jcole: half a gig? O_O maybe I shouldn't be using reiserfs |
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| 22:12.59 | challenged | jcole: well www.mozilla.org is where you will find the answer......i use firefox...dont use mozilla... |
| 22:13.02 | stew | congtu: apt-get build-dep kvirc maybe, otherwise apt-cache search libqt |
| 22:13.03 | drac | a-865: File a bug report to Knoppix, and tell that on #knoppix ? |
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| 22:13.22 | congtu | stew: it's version 2 |
| 22:13.25 | a-865 | drac: O cam |
| 22:13.29 | congtu | i want new version :D |
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| 22:13.54 | a-865 | drac: I can't seem to find the subject of that README on debian.org/doc/debian-policy :-( |
| 22:14.09 | Groundy | dondelelcaro : automated package patching... what's the best way: what i have been doing is: apt-get source <x>, dpkg-source -x <x>.dsc, patch < ../<x>.mypatch, fakeroot dpkg-buildpackage -b. |
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| 22:14.21 | Groundy | dondelelcaro : is there a way to automate that process for next time? (like setting up a config somewhere) |
| 22:14.31 | stew | congtu: whats version 2? |
| 22:14.44 | dondelelcaro | Groundy: apt-build may allow for that... or you could write a simple script to do it yourself... |
| 22:14.44 | stew | congtu: kvirc? yeah but i was saying they might have the same qt build-deps |
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| 22:15.05 | streuner | no |
| 22:15.12 | congtu | oh shit i didn't install libqt3-mt-dev :D |
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| 22:16.42 | r3m | Hi, if i want to know where is the line 198 in a file what is the command please, thanks!. |
| 22:16.43 | stew | congtu: yeah and apt-get build-dep kvirc would have installed that for you |
| 22:16.54 | Groundy | dondelelcaro : well i'd like it to track the main deb, and automatically apply my own patches and install my version |
| 22:17.14 | congtu | yup it works now lol! |
| 22:17.18 | congtu | my bad |
| 22:17.22 | streuner | congtu: are you running 3.4? |
| 22:17.27 | teun | r3m: if you're viewing it with less: press 'g' and enter the line nr, in vi press ':' and enter the lineno |
| 22:17.27 | congtu | gcc? |
| 22:17.35 | streuner | KDE |
| 22:17.39 | congtu | no |
| 22:17.45 | congtu | i don't use kde |
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| 22:17.52 | r3m | teun thanks and do you know for pico |
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| 22:18.08 | teun | r3m: brrr pico |
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| 22:18.09 | hulu | anyone know an app that can do interface takeover if one interface goes down? |
| 22:18.17 | streuner | congtu: might be in KDE 3.4 - read the topic of #debian-kde - you are already in that channel |
| 22:18.18 | teun | r3m: sorry, nope |
| 22:18.25 | cascan | I just did an upgrade on sid and now i get "no such device" for /dev/psaux. Any hints ? |
| 22:18.28 | r3m | ok well thanks for the less cmmand ;) |
| 22:18.29 | brlancer | hulu: vrrpd |
| 22:18.50 | congtu | streuner, ok thanks |
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| 22:20.25 | streuner | cascan: dpkg -l udev |
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| 22:20.58 | simonrvn | in less you can forego the 'g', and just type the number (though that might not be portable) |
| 22:20.59 | darkcmd | I hope the sarge release isn't pushed back.. like the freeze has been a few times |
| 22:21.26 | teun | r3m: in pico (and nano) it's ctrl-w, ctrl-t |
| 22:21.45 | streuner | darkcmd: you need to read tiny URL what simonrvn hands you :-) |
| 22:22.07 | streuner | darkcmd: /list #debianppc |
| 22:22.11 | simonrvn | http://tinyurl.com/a4mft |
| 22:22.16 | streuner | heh |
| 22:22.24 | cascan | streuner: thanks, but im runing 2.4.25 |
| 22:22.26 | simonrvn | @sarge frozen is <reply>http://tinyurl.com/a4mft |
| 22:22.27 | ravenbird | okay, simonrvn |
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| 22:23.00 | streuner | cascan: heh? :-) |
| 22:23.11 | streuner | cascan: custom kernel? |
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| 22:23.22 | cascan | streuner: yes |
| 22:23.35 | streuner | cascan: ok, install an official kernel-image |
| 22:24.02 | irp | hi, I can't see the ncurses dialogs in correct way the lines appears as áaaaaáááááááaá´, locales and environment variables seems ok, any ideas? |
| 22:24.15 | cascan | streuner: thanks, i'll probably do that |
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| 22:24.42 | irp | irp: I use utf-8 as encoding |
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| 22:25.59 | streuner | dpkg, sarge frozen is <reply>http://tinyurl.com/a4mft |
| 22:25.59 | dpkg | okay, streuner |
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| 22:30.07 | madclicker | <PROTECTED> |
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| 22:31.27 | darkcmd | where can I go to see what new packages or fixes are going into testing |
| 22:31.30 | suzzi | hello all |
| 22:31.32 | Guerin | madclicker: i think you should start by using debian |
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| 22:31.44 | suzzi | is there a way that I can set up SSH tunnels on a as-needed bassis? |
| 22:31.53 | streuner | madclicker: Are you too special to read FAQ? |
| 22:32.03 | Guerin | darkcmd: security.debian.org |
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| 22:32.32 | darkcmd | does that show all updates going into testing |
| 22:32.53 | challenged | suzzi: ssh? or you mean like the roadwarrior IPsec stuff? |
| 22:33.24 | Guerin | darkcmd: since at least in theory the only updates to sarge now are security fixes, yes. |
| 22:33.37 | challenged | suzzi: maybee freeswan or pptpd? |
| 22:33.38 | suzzi | challenged: well I was thinking more of something like when I try and check my mail on my laptop it would create a tunnel to my server and then shove everthing through that? |
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| 22:33.46 | Guerin | darkcmd: if you don't mean sarge, but the testing branch in general, the answer is packages.debian.org |
| 22:33.57 | madclicker | Guerin: explain plz |
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| 22:34.05 | madclicker | Guerin: debian??? |
| 22:34.26 | diesel | Does the Samba binary package have ldap support? |
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| 22:34.29 | stew | darkcmd: this file contains the list of packages released to testing for security updates: ftp://security.debian.org/debian-security/dists/testing/updates/main/binary-i386/Packages |
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| 22:34.37 | egospun | when removing a package does apt remove files i've touched/edited? do i have to worry about that? |
| 22:34.43 | challenged | suzzi: hmm my guess for that would be pptp tunnels although there are a few ways... |
| 22:34.43 | egospun | or upgrading for that matter |
| 22:34.57 | sshack | Hi, is there any way to clear dselect/dpkg's install queue? I accidentally loaded it with the wrong set via --set-selections |
| 22:35.02 | streuner | diesel: read debian/rules (get sources package) and take a look |
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| 22:35.11 | madclicker | setguid 4000?? |
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| 22:35.21 | suzzi | challenged: cool I'll go look in to that, thanks |
| 22:35.22 | cafuego | mediafly_: no, 2000 |
| 22:35.41 | streuner | diesel: /msg dpkg depends samba |
| 22:35.47 | madclicker | cafuego: 2000 is setgid |
| 22:35.49 | streuner | diesel: yes - for sid |
| 22:36.01 | madclicker | cafuego: i need uid and gid |
| 22:36.09 | cafuego | madclicker: 6000 then eh? |
| 22:36.29 | madclicker | cafuego: also how do i umask a directory/ |
| 22:36.31 | madclicker | ? |
| 22:36.36 | cafuego | madclicker: man umask |
| 22:36.47 | Guerin | madclicker: since debian's apache user is www-data, I'm curious as to wh you have a user called 'apache' for webadmin |
| 22:36.50 | mediafly_ | cafuego: ? what you mean with 2000 ? |
| 22:36.53 | streuner | diesel: sarge and sid have both libldap2 as depends so i would guess yes |
| 22:37.14 | diesel | streuner, thanks for the helpful dpkg command |
| 22:38.01 | streuner | diesel: apt-cache show samba shows the same |
| 22:38.20 | mediafly_ | I want to bring up my WLAN Netgear WG511 with "ifconfig eth1 up" but get the message: "SIOCSIFFLAGS: No such file or directory" What's wrong? |
| 22:38.22 | madclicker | Guerin: sorry i was talking on #apache and they talk apache not debian, my mistake |
| 22:38.30 | quittt | !sarge |
| 22:38.30 | dpkg | Ten-HUT! Fall in! Sarge is the current testing release code-name, and will be 3.1 when it's released. Ask me about <d-i> to get the installer. Sarge is now FROZEN (no changes except bug fixes). |
| 22:38.49 | Guerin | sure buddy |
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| 22:40.57 | TwistedEmotions | what is with that thing? root as landed? did someone logon using their root command? |
| 22:41.11 | Guerin | yes |
| 22:41.16 | MASoft | what was the name of book what linus read (that contains Minix source) ? |
| 22:41.18 | streuner | !root |
| 22:41.18 | dpkg | It has been said that root is the administrative account - only use it when root power is needed. So no reading mail, compiling programs, or running applications as root. And don't even think about irc'ing as root, it increases the danger from exploits and trojans (such as bliss), or see, for example, the security advisory on BitchX http://www.debian.org/security/2003/dsa-306 |
| 22:41.20 | shingouz | madclicker: ifup eth1. For ifconfig, read the manpage :) |
| 22:41.57 | TwistedEmotions | So why does it anounce... lol... so everyone knows what ip to try to get into... beccause there is a decent change he/shes a newb? |
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| 22:42.05 | Guerin | !htfswk MASoft |
| 22:42.06 | dpkg | MASoft: How The Fuck Should We Know? |
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| 22:42.44 | Guerin | TwistedEmotions: to publicly ridicule the person who did it. It also sends them a PM telling them they can't talk and why it's a bad idea. |
| 22:42.50 | MASoft | Guerin, I think it must be famous ! |
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| 22:43.03 | TwistedEmotions | Guerin: Ahhh... |
| 22:43.06 | simonrvn | TwistedEmotions: because the bots send the root factoid to the user, and they're expected to log off irc ASAP |
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| 22:43.20 | Guerin | MASoft: if it has the minix source, i bet it's written by andy tanenbaum |
| 22:43.37 | Guerin | MASoft: so google |
| 22:43.37 | cureless | MASoft: you mean the OS book? |
| 22:43.47 | kjh | MASoft: operating systems? |
| 22:43.58 | herregud | stew: thank you... I think I have found it |
| 22:44.00 | MASoft | cureless, I want to learn about OS programming |
| 22:44.07 | MASoft | it must be a good reference |
| 22:44.08 | kanelo | hi |
| 22:44.23 | cafuego | MASoft: amazon.com is your friend. |
| 22:44.28 | cureless | MASoft: mixing your two phrases you want: "Modern Operating Systems", by Tanenbaum |
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| 22:44.49 | joloc | MASoft: there are two OS books by tanenbaum... |
| 22:44.57 | cureless | MASoft: or "Operating System Concepts" by Silberschatz |
| 22:45.00 | stew | ~spell insolence |
| 22:45.07 | sshack | let me just say that tanenbaum is a horrible author. |
| 22:45.09 | joloc | MASoft: Modern Operating Systems (newer, but without minix source, more theoretical) |
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| 22:45.17 | TwistedEmotions | stew: so i was right ;) |
| 22:45.18 | sshack | I've found 4 factual errors on a single page alone. |
| 22:45.21 | MASoft | cureless, thx |
| 22:45.22 | cafuego | "Minix 1.5 for the Atari: Software and Reference Manual by Andrew S. Tanenbaum" |
| 22:45.35 | d03boy | what do i do with .deb files? |
| 22:45.36 | phogg | Wow. The installer for sarge is damn good. |
| 22:45.38 | sshack | I had to use his computer architecture book |
| 22:45.41 | MASoft | what about free ebooks ? do u know anything ? |
| 22:45.45 | joloc | MASoft: OS Design and Implementation (with minix, practical) |
| 22:46.01 | streuner | d03boy: what kind of deb file is that (app)? |
| 22:46.02 | sshack | phogg: You mean it's finally caught up to redhat circa 2000? |
| 22:46.11 | MASoft | joloc, I think it's what I need :D |
| 22:46.12 | d03boy | streuner, not sure.. its from skype.com website |
| 22:46.15 | TwistedEmotions | MASoft: http://fedoraguide.org/ |
| 22:46.26 | kanelo | Stallings has a book easy and completly |
| 22:46.27 | TwistedEmotions | has something on everything |
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| 22:46.51 | phogg | sshack: and passed it. It's like red hat circa 2000, but friendlier. |
| 22:47.10 | Guerin | and works on 11 arches |
| 22:47.17 | Guerin | and has lots more automatica |
| 22:47.19 | streuner | d03boy: dpkg -i foo.deb |
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| 22:47.27 | Guerin | and is 100x more easy to customise |
| 22:47.28 | TwistedEmotions | MASoft: Sorry... wrong book... let me see if I can find debian version |
| 22:47.29 | MASoft | TwistedEmotions, just beginner guide available there !!! |
| 22:47.52 | cureless | MASoft: if you want something practical try one of the learning OSs with examples, Minix is one. NACHOS is another. |
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| 22:48.11 | sshack | phogg: Okay, so redhat circa 2002 then? |
| 22:48.21 | MASoft | cureless, what about hurd ? |
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| 22:48.31 | joloc | MASoft: there is also an O'Reilly book about the linux kernel... but it won't explain much theoretical background, and partly reads like a summary of the source code |
| 22:48.33 | Subvertir | I'm not sure how using esoteric, near-featureless OS' qualifieas as practical =P |
| 22:48.33 | phogg | sshack: that might be pushing it |
| 22:48.40 | Guerin | sshack: get back to me when anaconda works on 11 architectures and can be trivially ported to others |
| 22:48.41 | cureless | MASoft: what about BSD/Linux then? |
| 22:48.43 | sshack | I admit the new di does have some nice features, but for my needs (and most others too) current redhat installer is great. |
| 22:48.46 | TwistedEmotions | MASoft: Sorry... I dont have the link... dont know where it is |
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| 22:49.09 | MASoft | cureless, as I know hurd is not very advanced ... ! |
| 22:49.23 | sshack | Guerin: Get back to me when you debian manages to get releases down to less than 36 months. |
| 22:49.25 | Subvertir | Hurd *is* pretty advanced... |
| 22:49.25 | cureless | MASoft: Minix, NACHOS and others have exercises, tutorials, projects, etc. As well as lots of docs. |
| 22:49.29 | MASoft | cureless, BSD and Linux is very advanced ... |
| 22:49.32 | cafuego | sshack: There's a problem with the redhat installer. |
| 22:49.35 | Guerin | hurd is a very advanced OS design... it's just lacking in solid implementation; ie: users and manpower |
| 22:49.44 | cureless | MASoft: Hurd is advanced. |
| 22:49.47 | kanelo | but the idea of hurd (client / server ) is interesting |
| 22:49.47 | sshack | cafuego: There's a lot of problems with it. |
| 22:49.56 | streuner | d03boy: evil |
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| 22:49.59 | cureless | MASoft: at least if you compare it to the teaching OSs. |
| 22:50.00 | cafuego | sshack: yeah, but the main problem is that it installs redhat. |
| 22:50.03 | streuner | !skype |
| 22:50.03 | dpkg | from memory, skype is a free (beer) voip application that is cross platform. See http://www.skype.com/, or based on proprietary, closed-source protocols |
| 22:50.06 | ticktoc | I'm a TOTAL wifi noob... where can I get a WEP Key ? Can I do that with md5 or gpg? Gessshh.. not much help on google.. |
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| 22:50.18 | Guerin | sshack: hah |
| 22:50.21 | cureless | MASoft: you don't (necessarily?) want advanced concepts when learning the basics. |
| 22:50.25 | MASoft | cureless, aha ! I didn't know about it ! so Minix and nachos are good choices ;) |
| 22:50.27 | cafuego | ticktoc: Any 5 character or 13 chatacter string is a WEP key. |
| 22:50.27 | zinx | ticktoc: i'll sell you one for $5 |
| 22:50.38 | cafuego | ticktoc: 'WEPKEY' is a wep key. |
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| 22:50.43 | ticktoc | and the Pass phrase then is?? |
| 22:50.45 | cafuego | Eh, I lie. |
| 22:50.58 | challenged | ticktic: user settable |
| 22:51.02 | zinx | ticktoc: the key is generated from the pass phrase |
| 22:51.06 | cafuego | ticktoc: How should we know, there is no agic key that works anywhere in the world. |
| 22:51.07 | deckrider | Hi, I'm setting up wireless networking on Debian/Sarge. I'm using ndiswrapper, and I'm now working to set up wpasupplicant. How do I make it run a command like "ifup wlan0=home" when it configures wireless for a certain ssid? |
| 22:51.08 | ticktoc | kewl... thank A BUNCH.. |
| 22:51.29 | zinx | ticktoc: the key is either 64 or 128 bits, represented in hex; just enter the passphrase and let it make a key based on that. |
| 22:51.30 | MASoft | cureless, thx friend |
| 22:51.31 | cafuego | if you only have the word and not the key, use 's:WordD' |
| 22:51.53 | zinx | ticktoc: or if you're masochistic, generate a random 64/128 bit key and memorize it... |
| 22:52.13 | ticktoc | nope.. dont think i wana do that one zinx.. <g> |
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| 22:52.17 | kanelo | deckrider you can use iwconfig |
| 22:52.19 | cureless | MASoft: These OSs are made so that you can run them in virtual machines and test them out without too much trouble. There is also anotherone for the DLX architecture. |
| 22:52.19 | ticktoc | but thanx anyway.. |
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| 22:52.24 | ticktoc | :-) |
| 22:52.25 | Guerin | sshack: you lose. |
| 22:52.27 | kanelo | deckrider you can use iwconfig wlan0 essid XXX |
| 22:53.08 | Guerin | sshack: having changed the subject, I mean. If you want to get into a 'which is better overall' dick-waving comp, that's fine by me |
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| 22:53.23 | MASoft | !DLX |
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| 22:53.41 | challenged | !c64 |
| 22:53.41 | dpkg | You really can't install Debian GNU/Linux on a c64 or the OS with all the good games, or you can install a virtual c64 on your Debian GNU/Linux |
| 22:53.54 | Subvertir | Guerin never hesistates to whip out his manstick |
| 22:54.00 | FieldySnuts | uh? |
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| 22:54.12 | Guerin | Subvertir: i wasn't talking about MY manstick |
| 22:54.20 | Guerin | !overfiendsphallus |
| 22:54.20 | dpkg | Today will be a day long remembered. Today we launched the massive phallus Debian 2.0, a towering penis of software, larger than any other Linux distribution ever made. We Got the Big Dicks. |
| 22:54.23 | ticktoc | gota run... again.. THANX for the quick help... |
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| 22:54.30 | FieldySnuts | HEH wtf |
| 22:54.35 | Subvertir | nice |
| 22:54.39 | deckrider | kanelo: it already works that way....I want to set it up so that wherever I go, it just connects to the AP and works. |
| 22:54.50 | Guerin | anyway, kiddiwinks, I'm off to work |
| 22:54.57 | Subvertir | aww guerin |
| 22:54.59 | Guerin | keep those trollsnacks handy, won't you |
| 22:55.02 | Subvertir | you are my sunshine |
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| 22:55.33 | deckrider | kanelo: wpasupplicant does part of this for me, but it doesn't seem to be running "ifup" when it has configured the wireless parameters |
| 22:55.45 | exerd | how do i unzip a tar.bz2 file? |
| 22:55.54 | Subvertir | hahahah |
| 22:55.54 | Subvertir | nice |
| 22:55.58 | cafuego | exerd: tar xfj foo.tar.bz |
| 22:55.59 | streuner | exerd: /msg dpkg tar |
| 22:56.00 | cureless | exerd: bunzip2 |
| 22:56.00 | Eclipser | tar xjvf |
| 22:56.01 | FieldySnuts | man bzip2 |
| 22:56.01 | thingfish | tar jxvf filename |
| 22:56.12 | cafuego | !lart people who use 'v' in tar |
| 22:56.14 | Eclipser | man tar :) |
| 22:56.26 | Eclipser | cafuego, bah :) |
| 22:56.28 | thingfish | I'll swear. |
| 22:56.28 | FieldySnuts | that'd be me |
| 22:56.42 | Subvertir | the v is for verbose, innit? |
| 22:56.46 | Eclipser | yep |
| 22:56.51 | cafuego | if you need to see WHERE is goes, you're too late if you do it during extraction |
| 22:56.56 | MonkeyINAbaG | v is great on a local box |
| 22:57.02 | kanelo | deckrider but do you see route? (it`s the first time, i come here.. (IRC)...) |
| 22:57.03 | cafuego | damn gentoo 'like scrolling text' freaks |
| 22:57.20 | MonkeyINAbaG | heh, ever seen dpkg install shit? :P |
| 22:57.24 | thingfish | cafuego is just too superior for me... |
| 22:57.32 | caphuso | cafuego: best thin i've ever seen was "tar tvzf foo.tar.gz | awk '{print $NF}'" |
| 22:57.41 | caphuso | s/thin/&g/ |
| 22:57.44 | cafuego | MonkeyINAbaG: No, it does that in tty4 whilst i work elsewhere |
| 22:57.50 | sshack | cafuego: I'm not seeing that as a sore point right now |
| 22:57.51 | challenged | anyone know a program that will graphically draw traffic on a network......something like etherboy?.....just want to know what PCs are moving traffic visually |
| 22:58.13 | cafuego | caphuso: if you '|tee logfile' as well, you can use 'cat' and relive the moment anytime! ;-) |
| 22:58.17 | stew | challenged: etherape maybe? |
| 22:58.22 | cureless | challenged: like ntop? |
| 22:58.25 | caphuso | cafuego: haha |
| 22:58.45 | challenged | could be...ill have a looksee.....sometimes the hard part is finding a name hehe |
| 22:59.01 | cureless | challenged: it depends on your needs. |
| 22:59.03 | cafuego | dammit, now I forgot what i was doing |
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| 22:59.18 | Subvertir | it would be cool if someone built a fancy looking realtime graph on top of ethereal (I think) |
| 22:59.19 | cureless | cafuego: you were raining down on newbs |
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| 22:59.42 | cafuego | cureless: I always do that. No I mean, _productive_ stuff... |
| 22:59.45 | aFlag | what package is latex amsmath in? |
| 22:59.53 | shingouz | cureless: Isn't that what n00bs are for? |
| 23:00.06 | caphuso | aFlag: tetex-something |
| 23:00.13 | FieldySnuts | @start an editor war |
| 23:00.14 | ravenbird | joe blows |
| 23:00.15 | caphuso | aFlag: /msg dpkg search |
| 23:00.18 | cafuego | !find amsmath |
| 23:00.21 | cureless | shingouz: I was just reminding him in case he had forgotten. |
| 23:00.33 | shingouz | cureless: heh |
| 23:00.37 | dpkg | Debian Search of 'amsmath' (5 of 10): (/usr/share/hevea/amsmath.hva) in tex/hevea ;; (/usr/share/texmf/tex/generic/tex4ht/amsmath.4ht) in tex/tex4ht ;; (/usr/share/emacs/site-lisp/auctex/style/amsmath.el) in tex/auctex ;; (/usr/share/texmf/tex/latex/amsmath/amsmath.sty) in tex/tetex-extra ;; (/usr/share/vim/addons/ftplugin/latex-suite/packages/amsmath) in editors/vim-latexsuite. |
| 23:00.42 | cafuego | cureless: I may be old, but I'm not senile yet. |
| 23:01.02 | cureless | cafuego: right ... "<cafuego> dammit, now I forgot what i was doing" |
| 23:01.07 | kanelo | jeje |
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| 23:01.29 | madclicker | cafuego: thanks for the help with umask and gud staff |
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| 23:02.07 | FieldySnuts | dpkg: tld mn? |
| 23:02.13 | FieldySnuts | dpkg: .mn? |
| 23:02.19 | FieldySnuts | feh. micronesia? |
| 23:02.49 | cafuego | Manganese |
| 23:02.54 | cafuego | reminds me of nodules |
| 23:02.54 | shingouz | FieldySnuts: Sounds correct |
| 23:02.59 | FieldySnuts | i thought that was a metal |
| 23:03.06 | cafuego | FieldySnuts: It is. |
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| 23:03.17 | caphuso | mongolia |
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| 23:04.19 | cafuego | Oh firefox. 'www.mn' makes it go to 'mn.com' without changing the uri in the location bar. |
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| 23:04.53 | revenger | hmm can anyone help me with my intel 2100 wireless card? just don't get it running :/ compiled the driver iwconfig shows up a device but I'm unable to use it with even one of 2 wlans in my area |
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| 23:05.14 | kanelo | revenger ipw2100 -> apt-get install module-assistant |
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| 23:05.41 | furrywolf | well, this box seems fully functional, just with no AGP... |
| 23:05.44 | kanelo | revenger and you must download from source.net firmware |
| 23:05.54 | cureless | revenger: iwconfig shows the card? |
| 23:06.00 | revenger | cureless: yes |
| 23:06.02 | FieldySnuts | @lart binary firmware |
| 23:06.20 | revenger | the firmware is also installed |
| 23:06.32 | cureless | revenger: iwlist eth1 scanning (if eth1 is the card) |
| 23:06.49 | revenger | no scan results (which isn't right) |
| 23:06.58 | kanelo | vi /etc/network/interfaces |
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| 23:07.14 | cafuego | SOmething tells me my ISP wrecked the transparent proxy |
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| 23:07.35 | cafuego | Oh no, it's just that netgear.com is dead <heh> |
| 23:07.53 | exerd | wheres the font dir ? |
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| 23:08.17 | cureless | revenger: hmm, so no scanning, what else have you tried? |
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| 23:08.38 | cureless | exerd: grep Font /etc/X11/XF86Config-4 |
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| 23:09.01 | kanelo | revenger it's possible the radio is disabled |
| 23:09.08 | revenger | cureless: nothing else.. trying to get that linuxant driverloader working.. |
| 23:09.13 | exerd | shall i put new fonts in "/usr/lib/X11/fonts/misc" |
| 23:09.15 | revenger | kanelo: what? where? |
| 23:09.27 | kanelo | revenger there are a module (ipw2100) |
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| 23:10.41 | kanelo | revenger i have a mini pci 2100, i used it now, module assistant do all, after you need download the firmware to i don't remember..... |
| 23:10.44 | revenger | kanelo: I loaded that module.. |
| 23:11.23 | kanelo | and the firmware |
| 23:11.25 | kanelo | ? |
| 23:11.28 | cureless | exerd: depends on the fonts. Maybe you want to configure a TT fonts directory. |
| 23:11.38 | kanelo | from source.net? |
| 23:12.19 | revenger | kanelo: http://ipw2100.sourceforge.net/firmware.php you mean that one? |
| 23:12.24 | revenger | it's installed yes |
| 23:12.32 | kanelo | yes :) |
| 23:12.50 | FieldySnuts | this is why you stay away from stuff that needs binary firmware uploaded everytime. |
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| 23:13.42 | revenger | kanelo: though scanning doesn't find anything |
| 23:13.54 | kanelo | my problem after this, ... the radio disabled, iwconfig said what it's imposible for example iwconfig wlan0 essid XXXX |
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| 23:14.20 | kanelo | revenger if the cards is all right, you can download kismet |
| 23:14.43 | kanelo | this program you can see essid, mac, ......... |
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| 23:15.39 | revenger | kanelo: how can I start kismet? |
| 23:15.41 | revenger | it just quits |
| 23:15.56 | smurp | I wanna kill some bugs ... how do I start? |
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| 23:16.18 | drac | smurp: Lighter and hairsprayer |
| 23:16.24 | furrywolf | smurp: a flyswatter is always a good start |
| 23:16.27 | kanelo | revenger you must vi /etc/kismet/.... and there are source=ipw2100,????,ipw2100 |
| 23:16.29 | smurp | yeah |
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| 23:16.39 | kanelo | wait a moment |
| 23:17.09 | smurp | you know they are freezing ... and I wanna see a new stable at the end of the month |
| 23:17.31 | kanelo | revenger vi /etc/kismet/kismet.conf source=ipw2100,wlan0,ipw2100 |
| 23:17.47 | Maxal | I have a question: How "bad" is it, to do a "Kanotix" HD-Installation? |
| 23:18.03 | Maxal | well, I have heard Kanotix is a DEBIAN based Distro |
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| 23:18.08 | cureless | smurp: have you tried looking at the BTS? |
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| 23:18.34 | cureless | Maxal: why don't you ask the Kanotix people? |
| 23:18.59 | Maxal | cureless, because they won't tell me any bad things concerning their own Distro |
| 23:19.08 | ej__ | hey guys,how do I set the clock on debian? |
| 23:19.09 | Maxal | cureless, and I think Debian'er will be more honest |
| 23:19.33 | cureless | Maxal: here's honesty, #debian doesn't generaly like questions about other distros. |
| 23:19.50 | cureless | ej__: date, then hwclock if you need to |
| 23:19.50 | drac | ej__: apt-cache show ntpdate.. apt-get install ntpdate.. get your time from net :) |
| 23:19.58 | revenger | kanelo: nothing |
| 23:20.28 | kanelo | revenger, but the card it's configured? |
| 23:20.38 | ej__ | how do I set it manually? |
| 23:20.47 | smurp | cureless: what's up with all those three-letter-words ... I'm not new to Linux ... but very new to Debian-development ... |
| 23:20.55 | Maxal | ok sorry cureless |
| 23:20.57 | kanelo | revenger iwconfig wlan0 mode managed????????????????? |
| 23:21.04 | drac | ej__: what cureless said. |
| 23:21.08 | kanelo | kismet -> iwconfig wlan0 mode monitor |
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| 23:21.20 | ej__ | I wrote date |
| 23:21.28 | ej__ | and got output, but what's hwclock? command |
| 23:21.29 | ej__ | ? |
| 23:21.35 | cureless | smurp: BTS, http://www.debian.org/Bugs/ |
| 23:21.56 | smurp | cureless: thnx |
| 23:21.57 | cureless | ej__: man date to see how it's used. |
| 23:22.24 | cureless | smurp: for a more direct (though not always recommended) path, go to #debian-devel |
| 23:22.26 | revenger | kanelo: did all that .. still nothing |
| 23:22.27 | revenger | <PROTECTED> |
| 23:22.28 | revenger | <PROTECTED> |
| 23:22.51 | cureless | ej__: date, grab the output, modify it, then do date -s "the modified output" |
| 23:23.28 | cureless | ej__: hwclock is used to coordinate the hardware clock to the system clock, it's done automatically at shutdown too. |
| 23:23.59 | kanelo | revenger, but the with iwconfig you can see IEEE 802.11b ? |
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| 23:24.35 | shingouz | kanelo: iwconfig does not make the card go into the correct mode for Kismet |
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| 23:25.05 | revenger | kanelo: http://rafb.net/paste/results/Z4e2lo20.html |
| 23:25.09 | Moonscope | howdy pplz |
| 23:25.15 | revenger | that's what I get with iwconfig |
| 23:25.27 | kanelo | shingouz, thanks but vi /etc/kismet/kismet.conf source=ipw2100,wlan0,ipw2100 , yes |
| 23:26.23 | shingouz | kanelo: That is a different mode from what I know. Kismet should work with the 2100 these days though |
| 23:26.37 | kanelo | revenger if you can make ..... iwconfig wlan0 essid pepito without problem???? |
| 23:27.13 | Subvertir | jepeto |
| 23:27.16 | kanelo | shingouz yes but with a little change in /ETC/KISMET/KISMET.conf thanks |
| 23:27.31 | revenger | kanelo: yes |
| 23:27.39 | shingouz | kanelo: No need for you to shout here |
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| 23:29.04 | Subvertir | DO WHAT NOW? |
| 23:29.08 | kanelo | all right shingouz, i'm sorry but i need understand the problem of revenger, but my english ..... |
| 23:29.58 | ej__ | I've changed the time but date won't change |
| 23:30.04 | ej__ | is it date -s too? |
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| 23:31.09 | revenger | kanelo: eth2: Reseting on mode change. |
| 23:31.10 | revenger | eth2: Radio is disabled by RF switch. |
| 23:31.14 | revenger | does this say anything? |
| 23:31.28 | revenger | mean* |
| 23:31.41 | kanelo | revenger i'm sorry.... i don't understand your problem (i think your radio is disabled , there are a project nswitch) |
| 23:31.50 | kanelo | yes revenger............. |
| 23:32.13 | furrywolf | grr. fresh debian install, can't get mouse to work. cat /dev/ttyS0 shows input from the mouse, but can't get X to respond to it... |
| 23:33.25 | kanelo | www.google.com -> eth2:Radio is disabled by RF switch... revenger there are some answer... there are a project |
| 23:33.32 | revenger | kanelo: yay!! |
| 23:33.34 | revenger | it works |
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| 23:34.08 | revenger | there's a wlan button and looks like it's not a dummy button :) |
| 23:34.23 | kanelo | ahahaha |
| 23:34.31 | revenger | thanks! |
| 23:34.48 | kanelo | i'm sorry for mu english ..... |
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| 23:36.27 | furrywolf | bah, mouse working. my Logitech mouse works with the Microsoft protocol. go figure. :P |
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| 23:37.15 | oigres | Hi guys, do you know where can I find g95 debs??? |
| 23:37.27 | challenged | furrywolf: left right up down left click rightclich scroll up scroll down scroll click.........hmm dont think theres much rocket science to mouse protocols.. |
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| 23:37.58 | furrywolf | challenged: yes, but it doesn't work with Logitech or ImPS/2, like I expected it to. nor does "auto" work. |
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| 23:38.35 | karsten | oigres: WTF is g95? |
| 23:38.41 | luulis | oigres: it was released with gcc 4.0. Debian doesnt yet have it packaged AFAIK |
| 23:38.41 | challenged | furrywolf : hehehe that is a bit unusual....is it a funky mouse or just a basic 2 button scroller |
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| 23:38.56 | kanelo | i need register mmy nick..... |
| 23:38.58 | tabris | karsten: if i had to guess, fortran 95 compiler from gcc. |
| 23:39.04 | karsten | kanelo: /msg nickserv help |
| 23:39.09 | karsten | tabris: Ah. |
| 23:39.12 | oigres | karsten: Upps, it's a bloody awful program that I need... Perdon my French :=) ! |
| 23:39.15 | kanelo | thx |
| 23:39.25 | furrywolf | I'm using the serial port on my kvm instead of the ps/2 ports... the ps/2 ports are ImPS/2... apparently the kvm automagically translates to Microsoft protocol for the serial ports. |
| 23:39.26 | myren | how do db's scale? |
| 23:39.41 | tabris | myren: with lots of lead and carefully calibrated springs. |
| 23:39.56 | karsten | oigres: apt-cache search fortran |
| 23:40.10 | oigres | karsten: Ok mate! |
| 23:40.14 | myren | do they just load-balance the data-set, make each box a master for a given chunk? |
| 23:40.20 | challenged | furrywolf...cute feature of KVM.... |
| 23:40.37 | myren | or do all real replicating db's have multi-mastering and 2 phase commits? |
| 23:40.43 | karsten | oigres: ...that's going to turn up a lot of stuff.... |
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| 23:41.03 | furrywolf | cute, and now that I know it I won't have the problem next time. but "auto" should have worked. :P |
| 23:41.05 | tabris | myren: you're asking a question that is way too generic/broad. each db vendor likely takes a different method. and I doubt that all of the load-balancing is done on the backend, it may also be done in the middle or front. |
| 23:41.09 | Dn4 | how do I download the sources from the planetccrma tree? |
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| 23:41.14 | Dn4 | I do not want them to be installed at all |
| 23:41.23 | challenged | oigres: |grep compiler??? |
| 23:41.24 | tabris | myren: for example, Berkeley DB doesn't really scale at all. |
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| 23:41.34 | myren | i'd say that alone qualifies it as not a db |
| 23:41.44 | karsten | oigres: I see g77 == f77. I think I know the guy who did a lot of the g77 work... |
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| 23:42.01 | challenged | myren.....microsoft access doesnt scale very well but it's still a DB |
| 23:42.05 | myren | at least not one of note or value. sure its a fine datastore, but the point of a db is to handle more data than you can |
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| 23:42.27 | challenged | myren: not that anything written by microsoft classes as a enterprise product either... |
| 23:42.41 | myren | linux is a db if you consider anything ole thing that can page data to disk a db |
| 23:42.46 | tabris | myren: no, the point of a database is to provide a portable backend for datastorage & retreival with a generic interface... |
| 23:43.06 | cafuego | myren: A massive db using site like livejournal uses a custom written perl-based sql cache. |
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| 23:43.11 | luulis | oigres: in experimental, theres gfortran-4.0 which is the fortran 95 compiler |
| 23:43.15 | cafuego | myren: _distributed_ sql cache |
| 23:43.22 | karsten | oigres: http://world.std.com/~burley/ |
| 23:43.23 | challenged | generic being generally a version of SQL ....although there are many other forms |
| 23:43.23 | tabris | myren: actually, a typical FS is very badly suited for a database, due to its single path for lookups. |
| 23:43.31 | myren | i've read a lot about memcached, which powers lj |
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| 23:43.53 | challenged | tabris: bah your a platter splaetterer? |
| 23:43.57 | myren | it works by precaching, something lj is lucky to be able to do |
| 23:44.10 | myren | i'm still very curious as to how a real db can scale across boxes |
| 23:44.15 | karsten | oigres: Craig Burley. I've emailed him in the past. |
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| 23:44.27 | tabris | challenged: I mean that a database lets you look something up via multiple indexes. a FS by definition has only one. |
| 23:44.37 | cafuego | myren: I'm sure Oracle will tell you all about it. |
| 23:44.45 | exerd | why doesnt tar xjzf aleczapka_minime.tar.bz2 |
| 23:44.47 | exerd | work |
| 23:44.56 | myren | tabris: not necessarily, you can link files and create multiple access trees for datasets |
| 23:44.57 | tabris | challenged: tho you could exploit things such as hardlinking, you're still looking at a nontrivial lookup method |
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| 23:45.01 | karsten | exerd: ...how doesn't it work? |
| 23:45.11 | challenged | tabris: oh cool....i have a passionate hate for any DBA that puts logs and data on a heap of disks.....they tend to not understand raid etc |
| 23:45.13 | karsten | <PROTECTED> |
| 23:45.14 | tabris | myren: yes, you could. otoh that assumes a SINGLE index. |
| 23:45.25 | tabris | myren: what if you need to do a lookup via multiple indices? |
| 23:45.29 | myren | tabris: name your files 0-1000000000000000000 and give them an index |
| 23:45.37 | tabris | myren: most SQL queries have more than just one WHERE. |
| 23:45.40 | challenged | hmm....pondering the lightsaber article hehe |
| 23:45.44 | exerd | karsten, i get an errormessage. (in swedish) |
| 23:45.49 | myren | grep is your friend. ;) |
| 23:45.51 | myren | but yes |
| 23:45.56 | bucky | exerd, you must either use z or j not both |
| 23:45.58 | kanelo | jajajjaja myren |
| 23:46.03 | challenged | exerd: translate it.... |
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| 23:46.11 | karsten | exerd: 'LOCALE=C <cmd>' will give English error message. |
| 23:46.14 | tabris | myren: the reason I use an SQL db backend for some stuff is so that I don't have to store multiple indices! |
| 23:46.36 | karsten | challenged: Better to run it in an English locale. |
| 23:46.45 | karsten | challenged: Translation's very imprecise. |
| 23:46.51 | tabris | myren: I could just code everything with Perl Hashes and have multiple indexes for the same list... but that would be a royal pain to implement and really terribly slow. |
| 23:47.00 | karsten | bucky: Point |
| 23:47.13 | myren | i really could care less about multiple indexes |
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| 23:47.38 | tabris | myren: well, it depends on what you're doing. and if you're gonna just discount my concerns, then you're just looking to pick a fight, not to have a balanced discussion. |
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| 23:47.46 | exerd | its something with flags |
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| 23:48.01 | challenged | karsten: hehe i learn a little each day 8) |
| 23:48.07 | Delph | tabris: so multiple indexes are a two-level folder structure with a different index for each level. |
| 23:48.15 | Delph | it's possible. It might not be efficient, but it's possible. |
| 23:48.35 | tabris | Delph: yes, and I agree it would be inefficient. hence why i do NOT do it that way! |
| 23:49.15 | Delph | oh; i don't know |
| 23:49.25 | Delph | it would be an interesting experiment. |
| 23:49.33 | Delph | database access speed vs file system access speed. |
| 23:49.44 | Delph | s/database/relational database/ |
| 23:49.45 | karsten | Does rsync cache its file lists somewhere? |
| 23:49.55 | challenged | anyone know much about the debian firefox |
| 23:50.00 | vezult | anyone here have experience installing debian-amd64? the folks on that channel are dead :-< |
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| 23:50.09 | karsten | challenged: No. |
| 23:50.14 | karsten | challenged: ask ;-) |
| 23:50.24 | myren | tabris: i attempted to start a conversation about a known-hard db problem, forgive me for bowing out of your entirely different conversation |
| 23:50.25 | tabris | Delph: in some cases it might work, yes. there's always cases where it would. it depends on the case. |
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| 23:50.51 | vezult | i'm getting an error from debbootstrap: |
| 23:50.53 | challenged | karsten: well theres a button in firefox to go find updates.....does that look at apt version or back to mozilla org |
| 23:51.08 | tabris | myren: but the problem is, you asked the question too generically! you can't assume that all dbs are the same, or that you can just ignore the ones you don't like w/o actually defining it. then I suggest you use a qualifier upon 'db' |
| 23:51.14 | vezult | invalid release file: no entry for main/binary-amd64/Packages |
| 23:51.19 | karsten | challenged: I suspect mozilla.org. Suggest you check the changelog. |
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| 23:51.47 | challenged | karsten: cool im just thinking it should be removed as it doesnt seem to work correct.... |
| 23:51.53 | exerd | anyone who can help me installing the right fonts for fluxbox in debian? |
| 23:51.53 | tabris | Delph: in some cases it might work, yes. there's always cases where it would. it depends on the case. I for one have been known to appreciate the fact that I can store the data one way, tehn pull it out antoher way. thus I let the db do the transformation for me. plus I get free scalability from about 100 records say... to allow several thousand or million. |
| 23:52.03 | challenged | karsten: the button that is |
| 23:52.15 | myren | tabris: i'm not looking for solutions, i'm looking for the right questions to ask. as someone pointed out, oracle isnt exactly releasing their scaling mechanisms, there's not very much info on the internet about it. its largely a topic free software has stayed the hell away from. |
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| 23:52.29 | Delph | tabris: we talking records or files here? |
| 23:52.30 | myren | i dont have anyplace to /start/ right now |
| 23:52.51 | Delph | myren: stare at the mysql clustering approach? |
| 23:52.51 | tabris | myren: ok, so go ask in #mysql and #postgresql (or mebbe it has another name... |
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| 23:53.01 | Delph | ditto for postgres. |
| 23:53.02 | tabris | myren: or go google up some db mailing-lists. |
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| 23:54.04 | tabris | Delph: a file may contain multiple records, a record may be contained in multiple files. that's about as useful a question as asking if a given db structure will be sane if you have parallel arrays (or parallel tables) or if you join them up into a single table b/c they're bound together anyway. |
| 23:54.16 | Delph | at a higher level look how ehcache caches objects in java |
| 23:54.16 | myren | i'm in #postgresql |
| 23:54.16 | roler | I have all of the avi and wmv codecs installed in debian so I can watch windows videos, but Firefox won't play embeded videos... Is there a way to make this work? |
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| 23:54.49 | kamela | apt-cache search kaffeine mozilla |
| 23:55.36 | roler | ya but will that work with firefox? |
| 23:55.41 | kamela | aye |
| 23:55.45 | kanelo | roler apt-cache search firefox | grep mplayer ... |
| 23:55.46 | roler | nice man |
| 23:55.47 | Delph | myren: or look at RAIDb (or see c-jdbc for an example) |
| 23:55.47 | kamela | and opera |
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| 23:57.13 | tabris | KillerBunny: Bun-Bun anyone? |
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| 23:57.23 | kanelo | roler | grep mplayer no..... wrong.... |
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| 23:58.23 | j4cbo | mingw32 is being a horrible pain |
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| 23:58.59 | MASoft | oh, it's 4 am here ! really need to sleep ! good night friends ;) |
| 23:59.17 | j4cbo | i'm trying to cross compile quake2, and it complains of a whole bunch of undefined references |
| 23:59.36 | j4cbo | but to really basic stuff, like TranslateMessage and DispatchMessage |
| 23:59.40 | kullanici | which sarge iso has kde or/and gnome ? |
| 23:59.44 | roler | wow it works |
| 23:59.51 | roler | thanks |
