| 00:00.01 | caphuso | abrotman: my /lastlog only starts a couple of minutes before |
| 00:00.10 | abrotman | caphuso: gotcha |
| 00:00.14 | abrotman | Piggy: !! |
| 00:00.35 | MasterRa1 | this is not really a debian-related question (and maybe someone can point me to the right place in that case), but.. i want to run a network, without limiting it to a list of MAC addresses, but i'd like to log all the MAC's that access it.. and in particular record new ones.. anyone know where i should look? :) |
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| 00:02.43 | petemc | MasterRa1: /proc/net/arp might be a start |
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| 00:03.23 | shimano55 | Question: I'm on Debain.org about to download the current full install, and I have a question. Do I need to download all 8 ISO's and put them on 8 seperate cds? |
| 00:03.35 | Delph | shimano55: no |
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| 00:03.49 | shingouz | shimano55: the netinstall is enough if you are going with sarge |
| 00:03.50 | Delph | you need to download the net install, and boot from that, then get packages as you need them. |
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| 00:03.59 | caphuso | or just the first CD |
| 00:03.59 | Wyzard | shimano55: If you have an Internet connection available while installing, you don't need to download any full CDs at all |
| 00:04.01 | shingouz | shimano55: /msg dpkg d-i |
| 00:04.23 | derek | when i try to install nvidia-glx it also downloads the nvidia-kernel-2.4, should i be worried about this or is it normal? |
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| 00:04.47 | Wyzard | derek: nvidia-glx depends on the nvidia kernel module |
| 00:05.03 | EnterD | I need help compiling a kernel |
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| 00:05.19 | peterS | cafuego: http://p12n.org/hacks/#xwall if you're curious |
| 00:05.32 | derek | i tried modprobe but it still tries to get 2.4 |
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| 00:05.47 | derek | well, modprobe nvidia |
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| 00:06.20 | derek | and i have the nvidia-kernel-2.6 installed |
| 00:06.30 | shimano55 | Delph, shingouz, and Wyzard: I was going to get the net install, but I'm not sure if Debian will be able to connect to the internet using my wifi card.... |
| 00:06.47 | MasterRa1 | petemc: thanks, i'll look into it.. |
| 00:06.49 | shingouz | shimano55: that might be a problem. what card you have? |
| 00:07.38 | shimano55 | shingouz, its a Dlink Extreme G |
| 00:07.44 | Wyzard | shimano55: The next-best thing would be to install the base system, which only requires the first CD, and then manually download whatever (probably not many) additional packages you need to get the wireless card working |
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| 00:07.57 | Wyzard | shimano55: Then you'll have Internet connectivity and can install other packages without the CDs |
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| 00:08.10 | notty | can anyone tell me where can i get a script that will display in a html file the last 10 files uploaded with vsftpd ? |
| 00:08.12 | shingouz | shimano55: i'd go for the Wyzard solution in this case, the card sounds like it needs something that is not in the normal install kernel |
| 00:08.14 | shimano55 | Wyzard: if i can get ndiswrapper working on Debian it shouldn't be that big a prob |
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| 00:08.40 | shimano55 | Wyzard, there would be no GUI on base sys...right? |
| 00:08.42 | shingouz | shimano55: ndiswrapper is not on the install cd's afaik. it should nto exist in the first place but... welll. |
| 00:08.47 | Wyzard | shimano55: correct |
| 00:09.00 | shingouz | shimano55: CLI is your friend ;) |
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| 00:09.11 | shimano55 | I'm not very good with it :) |
| 00:09.20 | shingouz | it's not that hard |
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| 00:09.25 | shimano55 | do you guys know if ndiswrapper is in apt? |
| 00:09.26 | Roey | hi |
| 00:09.34 | abrotman | yes |
| 00:09.40 | shimano55 | it is? |
| 00:09.42 | Roey | Is the dependency disambiguation engine in apt very complicated???? |
| 00:09.48 | shingouz | !ndiswrapper |
| 00:09.48 | dpkg | from memory, ndiswrapper is evil, because if a vendor can make users use a windows driver for their product, why should they bother writing a Linux one? Don't use it, email your hardware manufacturer and ask them for a REAL Linux driver, or choose different hardware. |
| 00:10.01 | abrotman | shimano55: apt-cache search ndis |
| 00:10.06 | Wyzard | shimano55: http://packages.debian.org/cgi-bin/search_packages.pl?keywords=ndiswrapper&searchon=names&subword=1&version=all&release=all |
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| 00:10.25 | ia3264 | etc in /etc is pronouced 'et see?' i thought it was etcetera |
| 00:10.25 | cafuego | notty: grep STOR /var/log/*ftp* | tail -n 10 | lynx |
| 00:10.37 | shimano55 | looks unstable :) |
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| 00:11.16 | derek | im not understanding what i should do with nvidia-glx, is it suppose to get the 2.4 nvidia-kernel or not |
| 00:11.17 | Wyzard | shimano55: ndiswrapper-source and ndiswrapper-utils are all you need... the others are just ndiswrapper-source precompiled for the various stock kernels |
| 00:11.21 | shingouz | shimano55: ndiswrapper? yes, i think it is. i'd go for a card that is supported natively under linux every time |
| 00:11.26 | cafuego | shimano55: it's not unstable, but requires the use of shitty non-free windows drivers and firmware. I doubt you want that sort of thing in kernel space. |
| 00:11.37 | shimano55 | well |
| 00:11.46 | shimano55 | its really the only option i have right now |
| 00:11.49 | Wyzard | cafuego: No, he means that in the packages.d.o search link I posted, most of the packages found are only in sid |
| 00:12.00 | cafuego | Wyzard: whatnow? |
| 00:12.08 | shingouz | shimano55: not to mention there is no ndiswrapper driver that can actually go rfmon so kismet is not an option with them |
| 00:12.18 | Wyzard | cafuego: http://packages.debian.org/cgi-bin/search_packages.pl?keywords=ndiswrapper&searchon=names&subword=1&version=all&release=all -- notice all the links that say "unstable" :-) |
| 00:12.29 | cafuego | Wyzard: oh, yeah... |
| 00:12.33 | shimano55 | shingouz: so what does that mean? |
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| 00:12.45 | cafuego | shimano55: Basically, "buy supported hardware", |
| 00:13.03 | shimano55 | cafuego, but I can't right now |
| 00:13.07 | shingouz | shimano55: for a regular user nothing. if you want to do some wardriving you need to get other hardware |
| 00:13.38 | cafuego | Wyzard: last I heard *some* prism54's didn't work either. |
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| 00:14.04 | Drizzt321 | I'm using the http://debian.meebey.net/ apt source for mono packages, and I am trying to get dh_makenetlibs binary, however it doesn't seem to be in that one. I did find it as part of the official debian/unstable (I am using testing), however that version is older than the other one. is there any way for me to get dh_makenetlibs installed without reverting to the other package version? |
| 00:14.05 | Wyzard | cafuego: I haven't heard of prism54s not working, but there's a WG511 rev. 2 which is not a prism54... maybe that's what you mean? |
| 00:14.07 | l | is this an opfficial debian support channel? |
| 00:14.18 | gravity | l: More or less |
| 00:14.31 | dvs | no |
| 00:14.32 | shimano55 | shingouz, but will ndiswrapper word...for now? |
| 00:14.38 | abrotman | l: change your nick |
| 00:14.48 | dvs | !nickometer l |
| 00:14.49 | dpkg | 'l' is 0.000% lame, dvs |
| 00:14.49 | shingouz | shimano55: for normal use it is useable |
| 00:14.52 | Wyzard | cafuego: I think the rev. 2 hardware has a white label rather than yellow, but I'm not 100% sure |
| 00:15.04 | shimano55 | now can I install it in base sys? |
| 00:15.11 | cafuego | Wyzard: Prism Javelin/Xbow |
| 00:15.22 | cafuego | Wyzard: http://prism54.org/supported_cards.php |
| 00:15.41 | Wyzard | shimano55: It isn't part of the base system, but once you have the base system installed, you can manually download the two ndiswrapper packages and transfer them to the Debian system via USB drive or something |
| 00:15.48 | shingouz | shimano55: i think you shoudl go the way Wyzard told you. install the base system from the first sarge (or woody) cd, then do some neat configs and install ndiswrapper |
| 00:15.51 | l | !nickometer a |
| 00:15.57 | Wyzard | shimano55: Or just put in a non-wireless card temporarily |
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| 00:16.04 | shingouz | that too |
| 00:16.07 | l | !nickometer asl |
| 00:16.12 | l | heh |
| 00:16.21 | shimano55 | wyzard, me = way far away from router |
| 00:16.30 | abrotman | do you have a debian question ? |
| 00:16.30 | shingouz | l: ok. please change your nick, it is a pain with tab completion |
| 00:16.35 | l | fair enuf |
| 00:16.49 | shingouz | parsec: thanks :) |
| 00:16.52 | shingouz | much better |
| 00:16.58 | parsec | i like l better |
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| 00:16.59 | Wyzard | shimano55: I have an 80-foot ethernet cable going from my room on the second floor of the house, down to the switch in the basement :-) |
| 00:17.02 | parsec | it makes mee feel special |
| 00:17.15 | shimano55 | wyzard, wow |
| 00:17.15 | abrotman | oh . you are |
| 00:17.22 | shingouz | parsec: but that nick makes you long if not tall ;) |
| 00:17.48 | Wyzard | shimano55: Anyway, you could just move the computer... it's a one-time inconvenience |
| 00:17.48 | peterS | Wyzard: going through 50 feet of horizontal wall? because it's probably 20 feet or less vertically |
| 00:18.09 | parsec | i wanna adopt a package as the new maintainer cept i'm not really sure how to go about doing that since the website is a little vague in my opinion.. so i was wondering if anyone here would know |
| 00:18.26 | Wyzard | peterS: No, actually it goes out the window, down the outside of the house, and in a ventilation pipe, where it travels about 50 feet horizontally through the pipe before coming out in a closet |
| 00:18.32 | gravity | parsec: What package is it? |
| 00:18.36 | shimano55 | wyzard, I'm mostly afraid that I'll get to base sys and have NO idea wtf to do |
| 00:18.53 | peterS | parsec: it's not vague at all. http://www.debian.org/devel/wnpp |
| 00:19.00 | shingouz | shimano55: we are here and using a base system is not too hard in anycase |
| 00:19.17 | Wyzard | shimano55: Personally, I'd probably just move the computer and use a non-wireless connection while installing |
| 00:19.32 | shimano55 | ok..and then go ndiswrapper with Gui and everything else |
| 00:19.37 | shimano55 | ? |
| 00:19.58 | shingouz | shimano55: yes. well after you have the base system there you can get the gui in there very easily |
| 00:20.08 | shingouz | ...and it is on the cd afaik.. |
| 00:20.13 | shimano55 | just apt-get gnome..or something? |
| 00:20.21 | shingouz | apt-get install gnome |
| 00:20.22 | Wyzard | shingouz: Not on disc 1 |
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| 00:20.33 | Wyzard | apt-get install gnome-core |
| 00:20.34 | shingouz | Wyzard: ok, i havent done a cd install in ages |
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| 00:20.51 | phyrophreak | where would my external hard drive be mounted at? |
| 00:20.56 | phyrophreak | cause I dont see it in /mnt/ |
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| 00:21.11 | dvs | phyrophreak: It won't show up in /mnt |
| 00:21.22 | dvs | phyrophreak: You'll have to take a look in your /var/log/messages |
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| 00:21.26 | shingouz | phyrophreak: check dmesg |
| 00:21.34 | parsec | gravity: unrar |
| 00:21.52 | gravity | parsec: Well, what you want to do first is fix some bugs |
| 00:21.56 | shimano55 | so just get "File: debian-30r2-i386-binary-1.iso" |
| 00:22.02 | gravity | parsec: After you fix some bugs, prepare an updated package |
| 00:22.05 | Wyzard | dvs: If it was mounted automatically by pmount (such as by GNOME's automounting thing), the mountpoint will be in /media |
| 00:22.09 | gravity | parsec: Then you get to whore yourself out for a sponsor |
| 00:22.18 | Wyzard | oops |
| 00:22.18 | parsec | oh word |
| 00:22.20 | parsec | haha |
| 00:22.28 | dvs | Wyzard: I don't think phyrophreak has that running though |
| 00:22.30 | shingouz | shimano55: yes. if you are using a desktop or a laptop you really might want to go with sarge though |
| 00:22.40 | Wyzard | phyrophreak: See my above message directed at dvs :-) |
| 00:22.40 | shimano55 | oo..what is diff? |
| 00:22.48 | parsec | gravity: what do I need a sponsor for? |
| 00:22.50 | shingouz | shimano55: a bit newer |
| 00:22.57 | gravity | parsec: To actually upload it |
| 00:23.08 | stew | parsec: only a dd can upload |
| 00:23.08 | gravity | parsec: You can't upload anything in to the archive yourself until you're a debian developer |
| 00:23.12 | Wyzard | dvs: Well, if he mounted it manually presumably he'd know where he put it, and gnome-volume-manager is the most likely alternative |
| 00:23.17 | shimano55 | shingouz, ok |
| 00:23.30 | parsec | ahhh |
| 00:23.35 | parsec | gravity: that makes sense heh |
| 00:23.43 | shingouz | shimano55: incidentally, get the install manual too, it contains a bunch of stuff that is nice to know |
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| 00:23.49 | shimano55 | shingouz, so "sarge-i386-1.iso" |
| 00:23.57 | shingouz | shimano55: yes, that is the one |
| 00:24.10 | shimano55 | and where is install guide? |
| 00:24.16 | parsec | gravity: you a dd? :) |
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| 00:24.28 | gravity | parsec: Yes |
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| 00:24.36 | shingouz | shimano55: uh.. it's somewhere ont he debian site. lemmeseenow.. sec |
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| 00:24.55 | parsec | gravity: I really like your choice of lettering.. It's very clever... |
| 00:24.56 | gravity | parsec: But I can't sponsor you right now. I'd be willing to point you in the right direction and at least check over your package for you, but it sounds like you have a lot to learn |
| 00:25.03 | gravity | lettering? |
| 00:25.10 | derek | i think i found out whats wrong with my xserver, it says the versions are incorrect, how do i use nvidia-glx with the nvidia-kernel 2.6 |
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| 00:25.25 | parsec | gravity: im kissing ass.. can't you tell? |
| 00:25.51 | shingouz | shimano55: those links should contain the proper stuff |
| 00:25.51 | gravity | parsec: Ah :-) |
| 00:26.07 | gravity | parsec: I'm pretty busy right now with other things. I really don't have time to sponsor you right now. But honestly, you have to do all the other stuff first |
| 00:26.19 | shingouz | shimano55: sorry, that one :) |
| 00:26.19 | gravity | parsec: Adopting a package means maintaining it. You have to maintain it first |
| 00:26.29 | derek | please, can anyone help me |
| 00:26.33 | parsec | fair enuf |
| 00:26.39 | gravity | parsec: What sort of direction do you need? What do you need to learn? |
| 00:26.46 | parsec | well.. |
| 00:26.47 | parsec | honestly.. |
| 00:26.51 | i3dmaster | I have a question on building debian package. There is a tar.gz package but I found that package is not actually source code. Its already built and I can just unzip to use it. How to build this type of package to deb format? |
| 00:27.44 | parsec | gravity: i'd rather speak to you in a query than embarras myself publicly.. being an idiot is one thing, but being a classy idiot is more desirable.. |
| 00:27.44 | pipeline | i3dmaster: "alien" can mangle it. |
| 00:27.44 | parsec | gravity: unless you're too busy of course |
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| 00:27.54 | gravity | parsec: You can talk in here, no one will think you're an idiot for not knowing how to package things |
| 00:27.55 | i3dmaster | pipeline: alien? ok, let me take a look |
| 00:27.59 | gravity | idnar: What do you mean? |
| 00:28.25 | shimano55 | shingouz: wow..they don't have a guide for my install (i386) |
| 00:28.28 | pipeline | i3dmaster: alien makes automated conversions between five or six binary package formats. It does a better job with some formats than others. Raw tar.gz, for example, contains no dependency information. |
| 00:28.30 | parsec | gravity: i just want to know the general setps involved in doing this.. are there and Documentations, or FAQ's on this subject that explain in great detail what exactly is involved.. |
| 00:28.50 | pipeline | parsec: There's reams of it. |
| 00:28.50 | peterS | parsec: for actual packaging information, read through as much of http://www.debian.org/devel/ as you have time for |
| 00:28.52 | gravity | parsec: You're going to want to look at the new maintainer's guide for debian to learn the basics of packaging |
| 00:28.59 | derek | shimano55: its the same as 686 |
| 00:29.00 | gravity | parsec: You also want to read the debhelper manpages |
| 00:29.05 | shingouz | shimano55: there should be one, the intel platform is the typical system linux is installed on |
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| 00:29.15 | gravity | parsec: And there is at least one packaging tutorial also on the debian-women site, that you may be interested in |
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| 00:29.24 | i3dmaster | pipeline: ya sounds cool. that's probably what i need. Thanks man! |
| 00:29.26 | parsec | why is that... |
| 00:29.28 | cureless | we package debian women? |
| 00:29.28 | gravity | parsec: The Debian policy manual is a critical reference too |
| 00:29.32 | peterS | cureless: sometimes |
| 00:29.32 | parsec | ahh |
| 00:29.33 | cureless | apt-get install women |
| 00:29.45 | peterS | cureless: actually the last time someone tried, it got stalled in NEW |
| 00:29.48 | peterS | it's still there |
| 00:29.52 | shimano55 | shingouz, I see one for x86 |
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| 00:30.01 | shingouz | shimano55: that is the one |
| 00:30.13 | shimano55 | shingouz, and which am I supposed to use? woody or sarge? |
| 00:30.15 | shimano55 | shingouz, ok] |
| 00:30.34 | derek | probably sarge |
| 00:30.36 | shingouz | shimano55: i'd install sarge if it is a laptop or desktop. for servers woody |
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| 00:30.39 | parsec | gravity: will this cover pretty much what i need to know to get started? |
| 00:30.46 | gravity | parsec: Yes |
| 00:31.01 | gravity | parsec: There's a lot there to read, so take your time and don't rush |
| 00:31.16 | derek | has anyone every installed nvidia...... |
| 00:31.19 | shimano55 | shinouz, ok sarge it is...how am i supposed to print out this manual? |
| 00:31.21 | parsec | gravity: no of course not =] |
| 00:31.28 | parsec | gravity: im really looking forward to this |
| 00:31.48 | parsec | gravity: and hope to speak to you again in the future, perhaps as a fellow developer.. |
| 00:31.52 | parsec | gravity: have a nice day. |
| 00:31.53 | gravity | parsec: It is fun to learn about |
| 00:31.55 | shingouz | shimano55: depends on what you grab. there should be plain text and pdf's you can handle with windows |
| 00:31.55 | gravity | parsec: Good luck |
| 00:32.05 | parsec | gravity: luck? no.. patience.. yes. |
| 00:32.11 | gravity | :-) |
| 00:32.19 | shingouz | parsec: and a bunch of coffee |
| 00:32.22 | parsec | :0-:) |
| 00:32.24 | parsec | hahah |
| 00:32.28 | parsec | coffee is great |
| 00:32.42 | gravity | shingouz: Me too |
| 00:32.43 | parsec | we have that Vanialla French flavored creamer.. |
| 00:32.45 | parsec | highly addictive. |
| 00:32.48 | parsec | earl gray tea hot |
| 00:32.49 | peterS | we don't necessarily like references to coffee on #debian. they remind us of a rather unpleasant personality who used to live here |
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| 00:32.56 | derek | are there any other debian channels? |
| 00:32.57 | shimano55 | shinouz, that'd still be like a million pages...are there just a few important ones I should get? |
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| 00:32.58 | anarcat | hey everyone |
| 00:33.07 | gravity | peterS: Good point |
| 00:33.08 | gravity | derek: Tons |
| 00:33.13 | anarcat | where do I go for help with debian archive maintenance? (dput/dinstall/etc) |
| 00:33.24 | shingouz | peterS: i see... so s/he was really bad then i guess |
| 00:33.27 | anarcat | i need to cancel an upload i just did in a third party archive... |
| 00:33.29 | gravity | anarcat: You're making your own archive? |
| 00:33.36 | karsten | anarcat: Um. Good question. |
| 00:33.40 | gravity | anarcat: You can't really do that. |
| 00:33.51 | peterS | shingouz: kawfee? yes, quite. he was trolled more than he trolled, for awhile, but eventually he got bitter and then it all went downhill |
| 00:33.56 | anarcat | gravity: we are running a seperate archive for alternc.org |
| 00:33.58 | shingouz | shimano55: why not go through it as html on the screen while the cd downloads |
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| 00:34.01 | anarcat | gravity: so yes |
| 00:34.07 | gravity | anarcat: You kind of need the admin of the archive to remove it, or you need to log in yourself and remove it |
| 00:34.12 | anarcat | gravity: i can't at all? |
| 00:34.16 | shingouz | peterS: i think i have heard somethign about that |
| 00:34.20 | gravity | anarcat: Not with Debian tools, at least that I know of |
| 00:34.22 | anarcat | gravity: well, i think i have the necessary accesses |
| 00:34.32 | shimano55 | shingouz, ok then |
| 00:34.49 | shimano55 | shingouz, should i read cd or network? since I am only doing a bit of cd |
| 00:34.57 | shingouz | shimano55: that might come in hady too ;) |
| 00:34.59 | gravity | anarcat: Ok, you need to log in to where you uploaded it and remove it by hand. If it's been processed by whatever scripts you may have set up (I don't know what you've got set up there) then you may have to do some more magic that's beyond me |
| 00:35.07 | anarcat | gravity: i'd need to hack the Packages files? |
| 00:35.09 | shingouz | shimano55: cd |
| 00:35.16 | anarcat | gravity: sounds good |
| 00:35.23 | gravity | anarcat: Maybe. The easiest thing to do would be to upload a newer package version |
| 00:35.35 | gravity | anarcat: In this newer version, you simply remove the changes in the botched upload |
| 00:35.36 | anarcat | gravity: thing is: it's a backport |
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| 00:35.47 | derek | sigh... |
| 00:35.48 | anarcat | gravity: and I uploaded to the unstable section by mistake |
| 00:35.55 | shingouz | shimano55: as soon as you have the system up and running you can install off the network (and the actual installing of software is the same in anycase) |
| 00:35.59 | anarcat | gravity: it should obviously be sitting in "woody" |
| 00:36.03 | anarcat | not sid :) |
| 00:36.05 | gravity | Aha |
| 00:36.16 | shimano55 | shingouz, wait what do u mean? |
| 00:36.20 | anarcat | crap |
| 00:36.23 | anarcat | i don'T have the perms |
| 00:36.24 | anarcat | ok |
| 00:36.28 | gravity | anarcat: I'm not sure what to do, in all honesty... |
| 00:36.31 | anarcat | thanks gravity, that helped a lot |
| 00:36.34 | gravity | anarcat: You should just ask your admin to help you out |
| 00:36.38 | shimano55 | shingouz, what do u mean off the network |
| 00:36.38 | anarcat | i got a clear picture now |
| 00:36.45 | anarcat | gravity: they're in france, sleeping :) |
| 00:36.50 | gravity | anarcat: Unfortunately, my experience is more from the uploader side, rather than the admin side, so I don't know all the details |
| 00:36.55 | shingouz | shimano55: well.. to install something you do apt-get install foo. apt takes care of all the stuff after that, you do not need to kow if the stuff comes off the network or a cd |
| 00:37.08 | anarcat | gravity: ok |
| 00:37.10 | shingouz | shimano55: that is after the base system has been installed of course |
| 00:37.20 | gravity | anarcat: Good luck though |
| 00:37.28 | anarcat | gravity: thank you very much |
| 00:37.38 | shimano55 | shingouz, ok..i hope this works and I know how to do it... |
| 00:38.42 | shingouz | shimano55: you can do it. the first time i installed linux it was debian and on almost unsupported hardware. i made it after some time and the new installer is almost too easy to use |
| 00:39.07 | shingouz | shimano55: i think debian is easier to install than any windows i have ever tried |
| 00:39.39 | anarcat | ciao all |
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| 00:39.56 | shimano55 | ok then |
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| 00:40.00 | shimano55 | but I can't do it now |
| 00:40.06 | shimano55 | got to go to concert |
| 00:40.17 | shimano55 | plus i dun wanna move my comp downstairs yet |
| 00:40.23 | shingouz | shimano55: have fun :) |
| 00:40.25 | shimano55 | so ima do it later |
| 00:40.28 | shimano55 | after i make cd |
| 00:40.34 | shimano55 | just the first ISO right? |
| 00:40.45 | shingouz | yes, that should be enough |
| 00:40.52 | shimano55 | ok |
| 00:40.54 | shimano55 | hopefully |
| 00:41.00 | shimano55 | ill be seeing u on the other side |
| 00:41.32 | shingouz | shimano55: of course if you have two cd's there, grab the first two or three to be on the safe side. i am not absolutely sure how much stuff is on the cds really. a huge amount though |
| 00:41.33 | shimano55 | apt-get install gnome-core...correct? |
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| 00:41.40 | shingouz | shimano55: yes |
| 00:41.55 | shimano55 | but mabye if I get cd 1-3 i might get gnome there :) |
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| 00:42.10 | shimano55 | we shall see.. |
| 00:42.12 | bucky | !tell shimano55 about d-i |
| 00:42.17 | shingouz | shimano55: ircii irssi and bitchx are CLI irc clients. they may come in handy |
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| 00:42.37 | shimano55 | shingouz, how? |
| 00:42.39 | shingouz | bucky: he has to use a wlan that runs under ndiswrapper so the new installer is not useable |
| 00:42.51 | bucky | yuck |
| 00:43.00 | shimano55 | haha |
| 00:43.15 | shingouz | shimano55: well... when you get the base system up and if you happen to get into some problems, apt-get install any of those and come here to ask :) |
| 00:43.33 | shingouz | shimano55: as you can see thendiswrapper is not really hot around here :p |
| 00:43.41 | derek | please..................................... |
| 00:44.04 | shingouz | derek: what? you want out for walkies? |
| 00:44.17 | shimano55 | shingouz, definately seeing that =) |
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| 00:44.33 | shimano55 | shingouz, so those 2 irc clients are no-gui? |
| 00:44.35 | derek | i've been messing with this for hours and nothing is happening and i have to get it working |
| 00:44.36 | shimano55 | or what? |
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| 00:44.43 | shingouz | shimano55: yes. i actually mentioned three there |
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| 00:46.28 | shimano55 | shingouz, ok...so 1)apt-get install gnome-core 2)apt-get install ircii 3)apt-get install irssi 4)apt-get install bitchx |
| 00:46.33 | shimano55 | not that I do them all |
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| 00:47.10 | shingouz | shimano55: i think you may want to install one of the irc clients first and come back here. then install the gui ;) |
| 00:47.24 | shimano55 | got it |
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| 00:47.50 | shingouz | shimano55: well.. before you can get back on the internet you will need the wlan of course but you get the picture :) |
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| 00:48.04 | shimano55 | ya |
| 00:48.15 | shimano55 | but ima try to get on internet through cable |
| 00:48.17 | shimano55 | get gui |
| 00:48.21 | shimano55 | and then ndiswrapper |
| 00:48.27 | derek | damnn |
| 00:48.28 | shimano55 | but just incase |
| 00:48.29 | shingouz | shimano55: when you install, just take it easy and read before going totally mad with the "ok, install everything and the neighbors dog) ;) |
| 00:48.39 | shimano55 | i know |
| 00:48.46 | shimano55 | I'm just laying out the steps |
| 00:48.49 | shimano55 | but just in case |
| 00:48.57 | shimano55 | I need 2 ndiswrapper packages right? |
| 00:49.04 | shingouz | i think so, yes |
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| 00:49.18 | vipr | hey guys |
| 00:49.28 | vipr | i have a command that wont work corectly on my debian woody |
| 00:49.30 | shimano55 | can I not use the .tar.gz I have? |
| 00:49.33 | shingouz | apt-get will tell you if it needs to install something else too. apt is your friend |
| 00:49.48 | shimano55 | good to know |
| 00:49.48 | shingouz | shimano55: uhh... you do not want to use them if you can apt-get it in |
| 00:49.49 | vipr | http://vhcs.net/new/modules/newbb/viewtopic.php?topic_id=2036&viewmode=flat&order=ASC&start=0 |
| 00:49.52 | vipr | please go there |
| 00:49.54 | shimano55 | k |
| 00:50.00 | vipr | setp 5 gives me errors |
| 00:50.00 | vipr | why? |
| 00:50.07 | vipr | its a bunch of install for debian |
| 00:50.18 | vipr | can someone please just help me fix this one bunch of command |
| 00:50.23 | shingouz | shimano55: basically never install off plain source on debian unless you really need to. or are a developer that is |
| 00:50.35 | cureless | or know what you are doing |
| 00:50.44 | shimano55 | ok |
| 00:50.55 | shimano55 | wait...you said Debian installer wouldn't work |
| 00:51.01 | shimano55 | should I not be downloading from here? |
| 00:51.05 | shimano55 | http://www.debian.org/devel/debian-installer/ |
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| 00:51.37 | shingouz | shimano55: depends. you are going to install it off a real cabled network? |
| 00:51.51 | Danar | i'm having a problem converting an rpm. here's the output: http://rafb.net/paste/results/aABwIY96.html |
| 00:51.58 | Guerin | vipr: ask the author |
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| 00:52.01 | eggy | What file needs to be edited to change the default boot up runlevel from level 5 to level 3? |
| 00:52.09 | Guerin | vipr: you're nnot being awfully specific |
| 00:52.21 | cureless | eggy: /etc/inittab |
| 00:52.24 | shingouz | vipr: you installing something on ubuntu? |
| 00:52.28 | vipr | no |
| 00:52.30 | vipr | debian |
| 00:52.32 | Guerin | eggy: you're clearly not running debian. |
| 00:52.32 | vipr | woody |
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| 00:52.45 | cureless | eggy: what are you doing? |
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| 00:53.34 | Danar | anyone know what the problem is? |
| 00:53.37 | shimano55 | shingouz, well im not sure...I don't know how to acually set-up the network in non-gui |
| 00:53.38 | eggy | cureless: fixing a server problem, installed x on the system (don't ask) and x is starten up a default :p |
| 00:53.49 | cureless | eggy: is it a debian server? |
| 00:53.51 | Guerin | eggy: /msg dpkg nodm |
| 00:53.53 | gravity | eggy: Remove xdm/gdm/kdm/wdm |
| 00:54.07 | shingouz | vipr: is there hope that you might give a bit more information? i am personally not going to read the whole frigging website |
| 00:54.47 | Delph | vipr: ok |
| 00:54.48 | shingouz | shimano55: well...if you have a wired network there with a dhcp server the installer will take care of it unless you have some real exotic hardware |
| 00:54.58 | Delph | read the bit that says 'ubuntu' |
| 00:55.02 | eggy | Yup its a Debian server, and I was playing with thinclients, and it needs x on there, hence why its on there |
| 00:55.04 | sieghh | how do I download/install gnome 2.10 by apt? |
| 00:55.14 | Guerin | Seb: you don't. |
| 00:55.15 | Delph | then realise that to follow instructions for 'ubuntu' you'll have to have 'ubuntu' installed. |
| 00:55.17 | shingouz | shimano55: if you install off a wired, just get the debian-installer and you are set |
| 00:55.18 | Guerin | ehh |
| 00:55.19 | vipr | http://pastebin.com/276969 |
| 00:55.20 | cureless | eggy: Debian doesn't use runlevels for that |
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| 00:55.22 | vipr | thas my error |
| 00:55.24 | Guerin | sieghh: you don't |
| 00:55.24 | Danar | anyone? |
| 00:55.24 | shingouz | shimano55: the netinstall cd that is |
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| 00:55.32 | Delph | vipr: yes. |
| 00:55.45 | vipr | basically i need to install vhcs control panel but to do i need to install these moduels its giving me this error |
| 00:55.49 | eggy | oh, well then what controls that.. |
| 00:55.51 | sieghh | Guerin: any guest when it's going to be available? |
| 00:55.53 | Delph | vipr: find a *debian* package |
| 00:55.57 | Delph | not an ubuntu package. |
| 00:55.58 | vipr | it is |
| 00:56.05 | vipr | can someoen please help :| |
| 00:56.06 | cureless | eggy: scroll up, various people mentioned it |
| 00:56.08 | Delph | it might be a .deb |
| 00:56.12 | Delph | but it's not for *debian* |
| 00:56.12 | vipr | i just want to get this enstalled |
| 00:56.15 | Guerin | sieghh: after sarge releases. See topic. |
| 00:56.17 | Delph | those dependencies aren't in debian. |
| 00:56.27 | vipr | :( |
| 00:56.28 | Guerin | vipr: it tells you EXACTLY what the problem is. |
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| 00:56.46 | shimano55 | shingouz, acually mabye i need to do nediswrapper |
| 00:56.46 | vipr | but i need it |
| 00:56.50 | vipr | what to replace with |
| 00:56.51 | Delph | post to the thread asking for the dependencies for <woody|sid> debian |
| 00:57.03 | shingouz | shimano55: for the wired? i doubt it |
| 00:57.04 | cureless | Danar: not many people will help out converting rpms to debs. |
| 00:57.05 | Delph | we don't know what the program actually wants; so we can't help. |
| 00:57.11 | shimano55 | shingouz, apparently I don't have an eternet connector.... |
| 00:57.16 | Danar | cureless: why not? |
| 00:57.22 | shingouz | shimano55: laptop? |
| 00:57.24 | Delph | Danar: because it's generally painful |
| 00:57.34 | shimano55 | shingouz, desktop |
| 00:57.35 | Danar | cureless: i've done it before, and never had a problem |
| 00:57.39 | cureless | Danar: why do you have an rpm in the first place? |
| 00:57.47 | Delph | cureless: it's the fglrx driver thingy |
| 00:57.51 | Danar | i've done it with this rpm before, and never had a problem... |
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| 00:58.05 | Delph | Danar: check the rpm against the md5sum if one exists? |
| 00:58.07 | eggy | wonderfull |
| 00:58.09 | cureless | Danar: are you trying to install an fglrx driver from rpm?? |
| 00:58.19 | shingouz | shimano55: most newish desktops have an internal eth there. if not, grab one from someones desktop for a couple of hours ;) |
| 00:58.25 | Danar | cureless: er, i'm trying to convert it, so i can install it |
| 00:58.29 | eggy | so.. debain upon installation of any x windows will auto start it no matter what! |
| 00:58.31 | caphuso | !ati drivers |
| 00:58.31 | dpkg | If you wish to use ATI's closed-source binary fglrx driver, then follow the instructions on http://stanchina.net/~flavio/debian/fglrx-installer.html - do NOT try to convert the drivers from ATI's website yourself with Alien. These drivers support Radeon 8500 or higher cards. |
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| 00:58.36 | eggy | Wonderfull design there =/ |
| 00:58.40 | cureless | Danar: google "ATI driver debian", download deb from there. |
| 00:58.40 | Danar | Delph: none is listed |
| 00:58.43 | Guerin | eggy: no... only if you don't know wtfyd. |
| 00:58.54 | Delph | Danar: email the site for a md5sum |
| 00:59.04 | Delph | and make sure you complain at them about lacking a debian package |
| 00:59.15 | shimano55 | shinouz, nah..i built mine about 6 years ago...only updated the motherboard about 4 years ago... |
| 00:59.18 | Guerin | NONE of my debian machines start X automatically, and I didn't have top change anything to make them do that. |
| 00:59.20 | Danar | caphuso: i did it before without problems. why would it suddenly give errors when trying to convert it? |
| 00:59.24 | Guerin | or not do it, as the case is. |
| 00:59.28 | eggy | Well, I came here to figure out a solution to the problem. Aprently this isn't quite the place to get it. |
| 00:59.56 | Guerin | what problem? |
| 00:59.59 | cureless | Danar: why aren't you happy using the deb? |
| 01:00.01 | Delph | eggy: you got told to ask the bot about nodm and stuff |
| 01:00.03 | Guerin | we told you how to make x not start at boot. |
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| 01:00.19 | eggy | I did. Wasn't too helpfull. |
| 01:00.21 | caphuso | Danar: probably because the .rpm changed |
| 01:00.23 | shingouz | shimano55: you absolutely sure you do not have a nic integrated there? most mobos have them. if not, try stealing (uhh.. borrowing) one from the next door neighbor ;) |
| 01:00.31 | eggy | quite vauge. |
| 01:00.34 | Guerin | eggy: it's the EXACT and SPECIFIC thing you need to do. |
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| 01:00.39 | ethics | eggy: aptitude remove x-windows-common...should get rid of all x stuff from memory.... it's a great design people install something they expect it to do what it's meant to....gdm/kdm = gui login....should run allthe time if its there....no problem found |
| 01:00.45 | Guerin | no |
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| 01:00.47 | Danar | cureless: i don't have the deb. now that i know there's one available i'll get it, but that doesn't explain why it wouldn't convert now |
| 01:00.48 | Delph | eggy: lol vague |
| 01:01.02 | Danar | caphuso: it's the same version as the last time |
| 01:01.03 | Delph | did you read it? it even includes the apt-get lines required. |
| 01:01.11 | shingouz | shimano55: if you do nto have eth there you need to grab at least two first cd's of sarge rather than the netinstall cd |
| 01:01.20 | cureless | Danar: ask the alien people. |
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| 01:01.30 | shingouz | (two should be enough to get even gnome tehre) |
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| 01:01.34 | Delph | Danar: i'd make sure that the RPM is valid first. |
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| 01:01.37 | eggy | *sighs* |
| 01:01.44 | Danar | Delph: how? |
| 01:01.47 | shimano55 | so i would download from http://www.debian.org/devel/debian-installer/ still? |
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| 01:01.49 | digibox | I cannot seem to get a GUI working and I am wanting to start all over with a debian install on my new HD. I get only one error about no screens detected and I dont need dpkg to tell me what to do again cause nothing helped. I tried many things and for some reason I am not able to get xserver to work. maybe someone could clue me in on what files I should probably transfer from this install that has a working xserver to the new install? |
| 01:01.53 | Delph | Danar: by checking it against the rpms? |
| 01:01.57 | magyar | ahoy |
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| 01:02.05 | Delph | asking someone else who has a copy for a md5sum of it. |
| 01:02.05 | eggy | dpkg tells me how to remove xwindows, I don't want to remove it, I just don't want it booting at startup. |
| 01:02.07 | mrproper | Where can I get the sendmail wrappers for postfix? |
| 01:02.17 | vipr | wha |
| 01:02.21 | cureless | digibox: what video card do you have? |
| 01:02.21 | Delph | eggy: read further *lion king impression* |
| 01:02.21 | vipr | how do i edtia file in debian |
| 01:02.21 | dvs | digibox: Look in your /var/log/XFree86.0.log for "(EE)" |
| 01:02.25 | vipr | i cant see m to figure our |
| 01:02.27 | vipr | no pico? |
| 01:02.29 | vipr | no vim? |
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| 01:02.33 | vipr | :| |
| 01:02.33 | resiak | digibox: I'm sorry, I really don't get what you're asking. How will reinstalling Debian make any difference? |
| 01:02.36 | dvs | eggy: /msg dpkg nodm |
| 01:02.38 | Delph | there's something about update-rc.d and xdm and stuff. |
| 01:02.39 | cureless | vipr: with an editor, vi, vim, emacs, nano, etc. |
| 01:02.44 | shingouz | shimano55: not sure, too lazy to check. sarge-i386-cd1.iso i think it shoudl be called |
| 01:02.50 | Guerin | eggy: echo "false" > /etc/X11/default-display-manager |
| 01:02.51 | shingouz | ;) |
| 01:02.53 | Guerin | eggy: done |
| 01:03.02 | ethics | eggy: rcconf |
| 01:03.07 | Guerin | eggy: AS IT SAYS IN THE FACTOID |
| 01:03.08 | shingouz | shimano55: not there, that is the netinstall |
| 01:03.15 | vipr | ahh |
| 01:03.16 | shimano55 | shingouz, sarge-i386-1.iso |
| 01:03.20 | vipr | how do i get out of vi! |
| 01:03.24 | eggy | :q |
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| 01:03.32 | vipr | it wont let me out |
| 01:03.33 | dvs | eggy: rude! ;-) |
| 01:03.35 | vipr | ctrl c |
| 01:03.41 | Guerin | vipr: :q! |
| 01:03.43 | cureless | vipr: <esc>:q! |
| 01:03.45 | ethics | vipr: : q! |
| 01:03.53 | ethics | vipr poress colon... |
| 01:04.00 | cureless | is there no factoid on quiting vi? |
| 01:04.01 | eggy | aplogies for being rude, I've had a rather shitty day, and I'm quite low on sleep. |
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| 01:04.17 | vipr | sweet |
| 01:04.17 | shingouz | shimano55: tha tis the one if you have to go wireless. with wired just get the netinstall one, from the link you just pasted here |
| 01:04.18 | caphuso | !vi basics |
| 01:04.18 | dpkg | vi is a modal editor: it has insert, replace and command modes. You start in command mode. Press "i" to enter insert mode, and ESC to go back to command mode. "dd" deletes a line, and "x" deletes a character. Save-and-exit with "ZZ". |
| 01:04.23 | Guerin | eggy: i don't have a problem with you being rude, I have a problem with you being stupid. |
| 01:04.34 | vipr | ./etc/apt/source.list, is that not the right file? |
| 01:04.37 | segphault | is there a debian developers channel or somebody I could talk to about the hold-up on a package? |
| 01:04.42 | vipr | err /etc/apt/source.list is that not the right file |
| 01:04.43 | caphuso | vipr: sources.list |
| 01:04.58 | shimano55 | shingouz, ok...ill see if I can get an ethernet card |
| 01:05.00 | ethics | eggy: you can just run rcconf apt-get install rcconf and disable it at all runlevels... |
| 01:05.13 | shingouz | shimano55: good luck :) |
| 01:05.21 | cureless | segphault: #debian-devel, don't know about the talk part though |
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| 01:05.31 | caphuso | ethics: is rcconf clever enough to prevent a package upgrade from recreating all the links if you do that? |
| 01:05.33 | segphault | cureless: thx |
| 01:05.35 | eggy | Guerin: excuse me, like I fricken said above, I'm quite low on sleep, and debian aint my primary OS. |
| 01:05.39 | ethics | eggy: or remove the GDM/KDM the xwindows sytem is there but the gui doesnt start on boot...only after startx or whatever your usiung |
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| 01:05.56 | vipr | to upgrade woody to sarge is this what i do? |
| 01:05.56 | vipr | * Open /etc/apt/source.list with any text editor of your choice (newbies normally prefer nano). |
| 01:05.56 | vipr | * Edit where it says woody or stable to testing. Use the following as an example. |
| 01:05.56 | vipr | deb http://us.debian.org sarge main contrib non-free |
| 01:05.56 | vipr | deb http://security.debian.org testing/updates main contrib non-free |
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| 01:06.14 | dvs | !tell vipr about woody->sarge |
| 01:06.15 | Guerin | !tell vipr about woody->sarge |
| 01:06.20 | Guerin | !tell vipr about paste |
| 01:06.23 | ethics | haha /cheer autokicker.... 247 to 0 so far hehe |
| 01:06.29 | cureless | !tell him again! |
| 01:06.37 | beware | if i run debian on vmware in bridged mode i can resolve and ping hosts but i can't tcp connect, i wonder if this problem is known/recognised |
| 01:06.38 | cureless | did I say that out loud? :-) |
| 01:06.43 | Lord-Cereburus | guys, how can i set eth0 to full duplex(100baseT)? |
| 01:06.48 | shingouz | nope cureless :) |
| 01:07.02 | caphuso | Lord-Cereburus: mii-tool or ethtool |
| 01:07.06 | ethics | beware: vmware working fine here for tcp connections... |
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| 01:07.14 | mrproper | How can I find the path for a non-logginable user? |
| 01:07.25 | caphuso | mrproper: the what? |
| 01:07.31 | cureless | mrproper: the path to what? |
| 01:07.34 | mrproper | caphuso, The $PATH |
| 01:07.42 | mrproper | executable path |
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| 01:07.53 | ethics | beware: perhaps you have windows firewall running? |
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| 01:09.27 | vipr | what does it mean |
| 01:09.29 | vipr | all non local? |
| 01:09.49 | caphuso | vipr: all that point to a computer on the internet |
| 01:09.49 | Guerin | vipr: everything which isn't 'here' |
| 01:09.54 | shingouz | vipr: what does it sound like |
| 01:09.56 | magyar | what is the easy way to execute bin files without chmod? |
| 01:10.10 | Guerin | magyar: depends what the bin file actually is. |
| 01:10.22 | vipr | deb http://mirrors.kernel.org/debian/ sarge main non-free contrib |
| 01:10.23 | Guerin | magyar: I can rename anything to a .bin file, but that don't make it executable code. |
| 01:10.24 | vipr | like that? |
| 01:10.36 | vipr | there was only 2 does that sound correct |
| 01:10.44 | _Trev_ | I have a webserver that I want to offer usage of mailman lists.. no user accounts just a sort of mailing list server. Postfix for sending mail, courier-imap for receiving.. forward port 143 from firewall to webserver.. mailman of course.. did I miss any puzzle pieces here ?? |
| 01:10.53 | Guerin | vipr: man sources.list |
| 01:11.03 | vipr | im in there |
| 01:11.03 | shimano55 | shingouz, ok..i can get one..but not now |
| 01:11.12 | vipr | i just dont understand the wordings |
| 01:11.15 | magyar | Guerin: am new but not to that level , it is the java plugin that comes in .bin but not set 775 |
| 01:11.26 | shimano55 | shingouz, gtg for now guys...hopefully I'll contact u next on Debain |
| 01:11.32 | Guerin | magyar: sh .fileyouwanttorun |
| 01:11.34 | shimano55 | Debian* |
| 01:11.42 | shingouz | shimano55: ok, have fun at the concert |
| 01:11.43 | Danar | ok, here's the output for the deb version: http://rafb.net/paste/results/VXcm8f93.html |
| 01:11.48 | magyar | Guerin: roger |
| 01:12.01 | Guerin | magyar: i mean ./fileyouwanttorun |
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| 01:12.28 | caphuso | Danar: that looks like a leftover from your previously installed .rpm version |
| 01:12.40 | Danar | caphuso: yes |
| 01:12.41 | caphuso | Danar: apt-get remove fglrx |
| 01:12.46 | Danar | caphuso: i did |
| 01:12.47 | BrianAnthony | awh |
| 01:12.50 | BrianAnthony | flrx |
| 01:12.52 | BrianAnthony | ... |
| 01:13.00 | BrianAnthony | fglrx, what a fun thing =P |
| 01:13.00 | shimano55 | shingouz, I will...but before I go..which netinstall? there are 3 1)LordSutch.com ISOLINUX mini-ISO image 2)David Kimdon's boot-floppies netinst images 3)# Eduard Bloch's netinst images and XFS netinst image |
| 01:13.01 | vipr | please guys |
| 01:13.05 | Danar | caphuso: i removed everything to do with fglrx... |
| 01:13.10 | vipr | i dont understand the wording all non local |
| 01:13.15 | caphuso | Danar: well, it didn't remove the diversion... |
| 01:13.16 | vipr | meaning out of country? |
| 01:13.21 | caphuso | Danar: man dpkg-divert. have fun |
| 01:13.24 | Danar | caphuso: obviously :/ |
| 01:13.47 | caphuso | Danar: that's what you get for doing stupid things like installing random .rpm packages after converting them with alien |
| 01:13.50 | Guerin | vipr: 'local' means on your own computers |
| 01:13.51 | magyar | Guerin: sh works ./ doesnt |
| 01:13.53 | shingouz | shimano55: hmmmm... that is a good question. there should be one that is about 100M i think |
| 01:14.03 | vipr | there is no local ones Guerin |
| 01:14.03 | Danar | caphuso: not stupid, just ignorant |
| 01:14.05 | Guerin | magyar: sh ./fileyouwanbttorun should work |
| 01:14.16 | Danar | the rpm was the only thing available from the site |
| 01:14.23 | Guerin | vipr: so why do you even care? |
| 01:14.27 | Lord-Cereburus | how can i set eth0 to full duplex(100baseT)? is it in the /etc/network/interfaces file? |
| 01:14.28 | vipr | i want to get sarge |
| 01:14.31 | shingouz | shimano55: the first sarge cd should be able to do the same though |
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| 01:14.32 | BrianAnthony | Danar: Do you need help with installing fglrx? |
| 01:14.32 | chL` | hey does any1 here use/can help with PFTP? |
| 01:14.33 | cureless | Danar: but now you know there is a deb you can use |
| 01:14.34 | magyar | Guerin: not executable, it will only work if changed to 775 |
| 01:14.39 | Guerin | magyar: no. |
| 01:14.52 | Danar | cureless: i'm using it |
| 01:15.01 | Danar | cureless: or trying to |
| 01:15.01 | BrianAnthony | http://xoomer.virgilio.it/flavio.stanchina/debian/fglrx-installer.html |
| 01:15.04 | Guerin | magyar: calling sh to execute the file will work, if it is in fact a binary executable. |
| 01:15.08 | BrianAnthony | Danar: do you have the kernel module installed? |
| 01:15.19 | Danar | BrianAnthony: that's where i'm at |
| 01:15.26 | BrianAnthony | ooh la la |
| 01:15.26 | magyar | Guerin: bash: ./jre-1_5_0_02-linux-i586.bin: Permission denied |
| 01:15.33 | Danar | BrianAnthony: i shouldn't have anything related to fglrx installed anymore |
| 01:15.38 | Danar | i removed it |
| 01:15.47 | Danar | but i still have a diversion, that the deb is complaining about |
| 01:15.49 | BrianAnthony | Danar: #ati is an awesome channel. most of the people there will help you without harrassment |
| 01:16.02 | Eclipser | magyar, did you ask dpkg about java-package? |
| 01:16.04 | magyar | Guerin: but if i do sh jre-1_5_0_02-linux-i586.bin, like a dream |
| 01:16.06 | cureless | unlike us, who help but harrass |
| 01:16.17 | BrianAnthony | cureless: but that's the fun way of helping people =) |
| 01:16.26 | Guerin | magyar: if you do sh ./jre-1_5_0_02-linux-i586.bin, like a |
| 01:16.27 | Guerin | <PROTECTED> |
| 01:16.27 | Guerin | 10:16:07 < cureless> unlike us, who help but harrass |
| 01:16.27 | Guerin | 10:16:18 < BrianAnthony> cureless: but that's the fun way of helping people =) |
| 01:16.27 | Guerin | <PROTECTED> |
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| 01:16.34 | magyar | Guerin: nope, its a mozilla plugin |
| 01:16.38 | Eclipser | ha ha |
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| 01:16.39 | BrianAnthony | lolol |
| 01:16.45 | Danar | magyar: chmod +x jre... |
| 01:16.46 | Guerin | fucking goddamn motherfucker |
| 01:16.46 | cureless | Guerin: fix your mouse |
| 01:17.00 | shimano55 | ok |
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| 01:17.01 | shimano55 | so |
| 01:17.03 | magyar | Guerin: flooder |
| 01:17.03 | caphuso | ¡tell Guerin -about paste |
| 01:17.03 | ethics | haha /cheer autokicker.... 248 to 0 so far hehe |
| 01:17.07 | magyar | Guerin: :) |
| 01:17.09 | cureless | lol |
| 01:17.13 | Guerin | yeah yeah |
| 01:17.20 | shimano55 | shingouz, sarge-i386-1.iso |
| 01:17.28 | Guerin | blame putty's braindead right-mouse-paste |
| 01:17.30 | ethics | will prolly break 250 for the week hehe |
| 01:17.31 | shingouz | shimano55: should work |
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| 01:17.45 | Guerin | ethics: s/week/hour/ |
| 01:17.48 | vipr | can soneone give me some help here... |
| 01:17.55 | ethics | guerin yeah i have 3 to my name on things that look 2 lines but have hidden crs |
| 01:17.57 | magyar | Guerin: why , are u using windows? |
| 01:17.58 | vipr | please |
| 01:17.58 | Guerin | vipr: you've been told what to do. |
| 01:18.05 | vipr | i dotn understand what you mean |
| 01:18.12 | vipr | i pmed you what i have in sources |
| 01:18.29 | Guerin | magyar: yes, I'm at one of my manu workplaces. |
| 01:18.34 | shingouz | (can i say it? please? the four letter acro? ;) |
| 01:18.44 | shimano55 | shingouz, ok guys...gtg |
| 01:18.55 | shimano55 | shingouz, thanks for all ur help |
| 01:18.55 | shingouz | shimano55: have fun there :) |
| 01:18.58 | shingouz | np |
| 01:19.07 | shimano55 | c ya later..hopefully =) |
| 01:19.10 | magyar | Guerin: u playing for Manchaster United ?????? |
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| 01:19.15 | shingouz | you can do it shimano55 |
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| 01:19.25 | Guerin | magyar: yeah, that's me. |
| 01:19.30 | vipr | please? |
| 01:19.31 | ethics | hmm is mozilla-browser required for firefox?..seems to want to be there ofr no reason hehe |
| 01:19.33 | magyar | Guerin: lol |
| 01:19.34 | shimano55 | haha...we'll see...but i feel pretty confident |
| 01:19.42 | shimano55 | c ya |
| 01:20.03 | Guerin | vipr: you've been told. If you don't understand, reread it. |
| 01:20.09 | vipr | i didi! |
| 01:20.10 | Guerin | vipr: THINK, goddamnit. |
| 01:20.11 | cureless | vipr: can you succinctly explain where you are stuck? |
| 01:20.11 | vipr | non local |
| 01:20.14 | vipr | there is no non local |
| 01:20.26 | Guerin | vipr: are ANY of your repositories local? |
| 01:20.28 | Guerin | NO |
| 01:20.31 | vipr | cureless i have to change woody to sarge |
| 01:20.33 | Guerin | So there IS NO non-local |
| 01:20.41 | Guerin | right? |
| 01:20.41 | vipr | ok |
| 01:20.43 | vipr | so |
| 01:20.48 | vipr | they how do i switch to sarge |
| 01:21.04 | Guerin | vipr: think. Is the statement I made true? |
| 01:21.04 | phogg | vipr: buy some CDs |
| 01:21.06 | digibox | cureless, I have NVidia video card and resiak, what I am asking is what files that make xserver run would I have to transfer from the old installation to the new installation. I want to reinstall debian cause someone who installed it for me before has some way of accessing all my logs and I dont know how so I want to reinstall debian but every time I try to install debian I cannot get xserver to run. the only EE I get is no screens detec |
| 01:21.09 | digibox | ted |
| 01:21.16 | vipr | tis a dedicated box phaethon |
| 01:21.18 | vipr | phogg |
| 01:21.19 | gravity | vipr: Change /etc/apt/sources.list |
| 01:21.28 | gravity | vipr: Change it from "stable" or "woody" to "sarge" |
| 01:21.31 | vipr | im tryied |
| 01:21.34 | vipr | which ones! |
| 01:21.38 | Guerin | ALL OF THEM |
| 01:21.38 | BrianAnthony | digibox: wow, you are repetetive |
| 01:21.42 | vipr | oh |
| 01:21.47 | resiak | digibox: apt-get install x-window-system gdm gnome; /msg dpkg xmd5 ; do what he says; dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xfree86 ; choose the nv driver |
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| 01:22.43 | resiak | digibox: Alternatively apt-get install x-window-system kde kdm or perhaps apt-get install x-window-system gdm xfce4 or perhaps even GNUstep to keep tarzeau happy. |
| 01:22.50 | digibox | I dont want xdm and this install doesnt have xdm, I am not installing gnome or gdm eather. thats not helping me |
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| 01:23.46 | Guerin | digibox: don't salvage your X config; just make it work with drxx |
| 01:23.58 | cliechti | where should i go asking about kernel driver deveopment? (i try to remove my module that segfaulted on insmod, can't remove because it's "in use"...) |
| 01:24.07 | resiak | digibox: the important bit was d-r x-x |
| 01:24.08 | WGKOUDTBK|2a2 | <PROTECTED> |
| 01:24.10 | digibox | I already have a working xserver on this install. what I want is a working xserver on the other. I want to know the files to copy over from this to the other |
| 01:24.14 | resiak | digibox: I didn't know how much spoonfeeding you wanted. |
| 01:24.20 | resiak | digibox: Just apt-get install x-window-system |
| 01:24.29 | digibox | Guerin, I tried everything with drxx and nothing worked |
| 01:24.44 | Guerin | digibox: then you have broken or unsupported hardware. |
| 01:24.49 | Guerin | digibox: buy some more. |
| 01:24.50 | digibox | I had x-window-system |
| 01:25.07 | digibox | I just need to know the configuration files to copy over |
| 01:25.10 | Fo | anyone saw a iplogger deb for woody ? there is no on backports, dotdeb... |
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| 01:25.11 | Fo | ? |
| 01:25.18 | Guerin | digibox: unless of course you mean 'I tried some random things and they didn't work so I gave up without reading the error messages.' |
| 01:25.25 | digibox | if its broken how come I am on xserver right now |
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| 01:25.32 | resiak | digibox: You just use drxx |
| 01:25.37 | digibox | same computer and everything just not the same install |
| 01:25.41 | Rile | hi, im trying to use scanimage but when i open the image with gimp no matter how i save it, png or jpeg i get "PNM: Invalid maximum value." does anyone know what this could be? |
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| 01:25.57 | Guerin | digibox: so it's clearly that you just didn't try the right settings. |
| 01:25.58 | resiak | digibox: It works for everyone else. Do NOT copy your xserver config file manually or you will break d-r x-x |
| 01:26.09 | WGKOUDTBK|2a2 | <PROTECTED> |
| 01:26.13 | digibox | I did read the error message. there is only one EE and that is no screens detected |
| 01:26.20 | Guerin | WGKOUDTBK|2a2: another bot? |
| 01:26.35 | digibox | why not copy over? |
| 01:26.49 | abrotman | Guerin: or stupid human |
| 01:26.49 | Lord-Cereburus | actualy, a more important question, iupgraded my kernel from 2.4.18 to 2.4.27, after doing so, the network connectivity was not there, eth0 was up, but nothing going through, in or out. i used ifdown, then ifup, and uppon attempting to bring it back up, i get "eth0: Media link off" |
| 01:26.50 | Guerin | digibox: /msg dpkg x md5 |
| 01:26.51 | digibox | its the same computer same settings |
| 01:27.02 | digibox | and I tried everything else |
| 01:27.04 | Guerin | abrotman: no, there was one in yesterday too. It runs once per minute. |
| 01:27.16 | Lord-Cereburus | i was talking to my friend and he suggested setting to full duplex, but i'm not sure if thats the problem... anyone have a suggestion? |
| 01:27.24 | abrotman | !sing helix |
| 01:27.25 | dpkg | It's not unusual to have your hips proposed to. |
| 01:27.34 | abrotman | Guerin: maybe that has something to do with it ? |
| 01:27.34 | Lord-Cereburus | hey abrotman, been a while :P |
| 01:27.40 | abrotman | Lord-Cereburus: yu're alive! |
| 01:27.43 | Guerin | abrotman: very possible. |
| 01:27.50 | Lord-Cereburus | yeah :P |
| 01:27.55 | Lord-Cereburus | just havnt been on irc in a long time |
| 01:27.59 | abrotman | heh |
| 01:27.59 | digibox | grrr then I have no idea what to do then |
| 01:28.09 | WGKOUDTBK|2a2 | <PROTECTED> |
| 01:28.41 | abrotman | Lord-Cereburus: that sucks fairly bad |
| 01:28.41 | digibox | the person who installed debian for me wouldnt let me see what he was doing and then I find out he can see all my logs on this computer at any time im online |
| 01:28.48 | Lord-Cereburus | yeah |
| 01:28.56 | digibox | and I have no idea how to set up the xserver for it to work with my card |
| 01:29.00 | Lord-Cereburus | but things are on the upside now so its better |
| 01:29.04 | abrotman | yay |
| 01:29.09 | Lord-Cereburus | ^^ |
| 01:29.11 | abrotman | WGKOUDTBK|2a2: do you say anything else ? |
| 01:29.25 | digibox | the best idea I thought of was to copy the xserver settings over but I guess I cannot do that |
| 01:29.42 | shingouz | abrotman: has to be a bot. those commments are exactly two minutes apart |
| 01:29.55 | resiak | digibox: You don't _need_ to. |
| 01:30.04 | abrotman | i'm not sure if we shold call ops .. i mean . he's not doing anything apparnetly |
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| 01:30.12 | shingouz | there |
| 01:30.14 | abrotman | not even onjoin |
| 01:30.15 | Danar | how do i make use of the recommended kernel options on http://xoomer.virgilio.it/flavio.stanchina/debian/fglrx-installer.html |
| 01:30.18 | Lord-Cereburus | well it doesnt _HAVE_ to be hehe, it could just be someone with no life |
| 01:30.23 | resiak | WGKOUDTBK|2a2: nose? |
| 01:30.29 | abrotman | !moo |
| 01:30.29 | dpkg | mooooooo! I am cow, hear me moo, I weigh twice as much as you. I'm a cow, eating grass, methane gas comes out my ass. I'm a cow, you are too; join us all! Type apt-get moo. |
| 01:30.32 | shingouz | abrotman: went just when you were off the chan |
| 01:30.32 | Guerin | WGKOUDTBK|2a2: you goddamn hippie. |
| 01:30.37 | Lord-Cereburus | HAHA! |
| 01:30.37 | abrotman | shiner840_Away: i'm sure |
| 01:30.40 | Lord-Cereburus | ARROGANT WORMS! |
| 01:30.51 | digibox | well I dont know what to do then. I did everything I was told yesterday includeing upgradeing the distro to sarge |
| 01:30.59 | digibox | and then doing that made irssi not work |
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| 01:31.10 | digibox | so I couldnt come back and ask for help again |
| 01:31.11 | resiak | !not work |
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| 01:31.14 | resiak | :( |
| 01:31.15 | abrotman | !work |
| 01:31.16 | dpkg | it has been said that work is a great place to play network games like Quake against your friends..... an improper way of saying funzionirt! Work at what? Do the dishes? Clean your room?, or see play =-) |
| 01:31.32 | resiak | !not work is <reply> see doesn't work |
| 01:31.32 | dpkg | okay, resiak |
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| 01:32.09 | WGKOUDTBK|2a2 | <PROTECTED> |
| 01:32.19 | FarrisG | I have an odd question: Anyone know of a simple app/tool (maybe just a web/mysql app) for managing garage sales? |
| 01:32.23 | Lord-Cereburus | soooo anyway hehe, anyone have an idea why i'm getting "eth0: Media link off" ? |
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| 01:32.27 | Solet | !play |
| 01:32.27 | dpkg | it has been said that play is a script for playing audio-files via sox . apt-get install sox :-) HAVE FUN!, or or see work |
| 01:32.32 | resiak | !ops WGKOUDTBK|2a2 seems to have a limited knowledge of anatomy and keeps exclaiming "hips!" |
| 01:32.32 | dpkg | Hydroxide, bob2, caphuso, dondelelcaro, doogie, eeyore-, ElectricElf, greycat, helix, ljlane, LoRez, mentor, Netsnipe, TML, walters, xk: WGKOUDTBK|2a2 seems to have a limited knowledge of anatomy and keeps exclaiming "hips!" |
| 01:32.33 | abrotman | what the fuck was that? |
| 01:32.37 | notty | how can i use 4gb+ files in apache2 ? |
| 01:32.40 | moshii | FarrisG: a pencil and some paper? |
| 01:32.41 | *** mode/#debian [+o caphuso] by ChanServ |
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| 01:32.46 | shingouz | Solet: you can also /msg dpkg play |
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| 01:32.57 | FarrisG | moshii: It's a bigass garage sale :) |
| 01:33.06 | resiak | caphuso: Ta. |
| 01:33.26 | cureless | FarrisG: how about a spreadsheet? |
| 01:33.37 | digibox | im even trying to DL the sarge business card iso. I want to learn what im doing wrong with xwindows but I never could figure out. the only thing I know I was doing wrong on previous installs that I was useing vesa instaid of nv |
| 01:33.40 | Guerin | notty: there is no good reason to server 4GB files over http |
| 01:33.41 | Solet | shingouz: yeah but then i gotta deal with another window popping up... and that means finding the mouse to this computer |
| 01:33.50 | moshii | FarrisG: or learn a couple hours of php/sql and put something together :^^ |
| 01:33.57 | shingouz | Solet: that is a pretty good excuse |
| 01:34.01 | FarrisG | cureless: That's what I started using, but I was just entertaining the thought that SOME nerd out there had come up with something for this :) |
| 01:34.04 | Danar | how do i make use of the recommended kernel options on http://xoomer.virgilio.it/flavio.stanchina/debian/fglrx-installer.html |
| 01:34.22 | cureless | FarrisG: nerds keep all their crap, they don't have garage sales. |
| 01:34.44 | FarrisG | cureless: touche |
| 01:34.45 | shingouz | cureless: it's not crap! |
| 01:35.01 | Solet | shingouz: are you any good with configuring multihead systems? |
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| 01:35.11 | cureless | shingouz: that's what I keep telling myself. |
| 01:35.11 | shingouz | Solet: pass :) |
| 01:35.18 | caphuso | cat: rdate.pl: No such file or directory |
| 01:35.23 | caphuso | damn |
| 01:35.26 | Solet | :( |
| 01:36.14 | moshii | digibox: what exactly is "wrong" about your xwindows? |
| 01:36.51 | digibox | well thats the problem the ONLY error is (EE) no screens detected |
| 01:37.37 | moshii | digibox: how are you trying to configure it? |
| 01:37.42 | Guerin | !noscreensfound |
| 01:37.42 | dpkg | i guess noscreensfound is probably dpkg-reconfigure -plow xserver-xfree86 and SAY NO to the framebuffer question. If that doesn't work, ask me about "troubleshooting x" NOT A SODDING ERROR. read your XFree86 log to find the actual problem. |
| 01:37.50 | ethics | Lord-Cereburus: no media link.....your not using a baynetworks router/modem? |
| 01:37.52 | Solet | your horizsync and vertrefressh dont match the resolutions you give |
| 01:38.01 | digibox | but no matter how many settings I change excudeing changeing the card type from NV I still get the same error |
| 01:38.13 | Guerin | digibox: what card? |
| 01:38.26 | moshii | digibox: maybe NV doesn't support your card |
| 01:38.30 | digibox | Nvidia |
| 01:38.42 | Guerin | nvidia is not a fucking card, it's a goddamn company |
| 01:38.43 | resiak | digibox: WHICH nvidia?! |
| 01:38.45 | Guerin | jesus |
| 01:38.53 | moshii | digibox: look at the documention for the driver, or just get the binary driver |
| 01:38.54 | digibox | NV is for NVidia |
| 01:38.59 | Guerin | with specificity like that, it's not wonder you can't get it working |
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| 01:39.15 | stew | isn't -plow not necessary? |
| 01:39.15 | gravity | Calm down |
| 01:39.24 | chealer | it shouldn't |
| 01:39.29 | caphuso | stew: it isn't, but doesn't hurt |
| 01:39.30 | Guerin | stew: depends what your priority is set to |
| 01:39.31 | gravity | digibox: The nv driver doesn't support all nvidia cards. |
| 01:39.38 | Solet | stew: if you dont -plow you cant -harvest |
| 01:39.38 | stew | Guerin: i don't think it matters |
| 01:39.45 | gravity | No, dpkg-reconfigure asks for all questions |
| 01:39.55 | ethics | solet: trident as a company were bought out somewhere around 1992..... |
| 01:39.57 | abrotman | do you realize how much easier linux/debian would be if nvidia would just play nice? |
| 01:40.01 | digibox | well the message that dpkg just gave me is different then before. I may try the dpkg-reconfigure -plow xserver-xfree86 and say no to the framebuffer then |
| 01:40.08 | abrotman | ethics: later than that |
| 01:40.09 | Solet | ethics: yeah their old cards |
| 01:40.12 | Solet | but they are reliable |
| 01:40.16 | resiak | ...you didn't try that the last time you were given that message?! |
| 01:40.27 | abrotman | i think |
| 01:40.43 | digibox | gravity, right now I am running xserver on a different install but it does say NV for the card |
| 01:40.43 | resiak | abrotman: They play comparatively nice. |
| 01:40.52 | abrotman | to what? |
| 01:40.54 | resiak | digibox: Well, of course it does. |
| 01:40.56 | resiak | abrotman: ATI :) |
| 01:40.58 | ethics | abrotman: s3 bought them out then diamond mm bought out s3 or something swasnt it? |
| 01:41.02 | Solet | abrotman: do you realize how much easier linux would be if hardware companies wrote linux drivers? |
| 01:41.06 | abrotman | resiak: i'll stick to my intel |
| 01:41.15 | abrotman | Solet: wrong .. open thier specs |
| 01:41.19 | Lord-Cereburus | wow, i feel odd |
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| 01:41.30 | abrotman | Lord-Cereburus: don't feel bad .. i have a CL card here :) |
| 01:41.33 | resiak | abrotman: 0000:00:02.1 Display controller: Intel Corp. 82852/855GM Integrated Graphics Device (rev 02) |
| 01:41.35 | Lord-Cereburus | somthing clicked in my head "check the network cable" |
| 01:41.40 | abrotman | resiak: heh |
| 01:41.44 | Lord-Cereburus | and i was right, linux reversed the order of the cards |
| 01:41.55 | digibox | what is framebuffer anyway? |
| 01:42.00 | resiak | !framebuffer |
| 01:42.00 | dpkg | i heard framebuffer is a region of memory into which "frames" of graphical data are drawn. if you're looking for the framebuffer console, see fbcon. X is also a framebuffer system, as is berlin. |
| 01:42.52 | digibox | so whats the point of running framebuffer or not that would make a difference though |
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| 01:43.25 | shingouz | bah. xfce3 just autokilled the taskbar. what is the taskbar called so i could relaunch it, i am too lazy to restart X at the moment |
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| 01:44.55 | macr0 | exit |
| 01:45.12 | Swynndla | I used an easy method to have passwordless ssh logins, but it isn't using ssg-agent, so is it safe?? ... this is what I did: ssh-keygen -t rsa; cat ~/.ssh/id_rsa.pub | ssh remotehost: 'cat - >> ~/.ssh/authorized_keys2' |
| 01:46.32 | parsec | gravity: why would you need to modify the source code to get the package working? .. is this assuming it doesnt compile by default in deb? |
| 01:46.43 | distempr | what package provides oggenc? |
| 01:46.47 | distempr | i can't find it |
| 01:46.52 | gravity | parsec: Yes. |
| 01:46.53 | shingouz | xfce3 just autostarted the taskbar. very odd, maybe i need a break |
| 01:47.01 | gravity | parsec: Or to fix a bug, for instance. |
| 01:47.07 | distempr | gah nm |
| 01:47.08 | parsec | gravity: alright |
| 01:47.12 | muaddib | Question when one updates a system from a mirror the package that's being updated how is that determined. The reason I ask is I have a sparc system running debian unstable and I noticed on the the main debian mirror that a new version is avaliable but when I do an apt-update update & upgrade nothing is updated has anyone seen this |
| 01:47.16 | chealer | !find oggenc |
| 01:47.23 | dpkg | Debian Search of 'oggenc' (2): (/usr/bin/oggenc) in sound/vorbis-tools ;; (/usr/lib/ripperx/ripperX_plugin-oggenc) in sound/ripperx. |
| 01:47.39 | parsec | gravity: once i have the package packaged whats next.. |
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| 01:47.42 | distempr | chealer: :x I've been mistyping the thing on the cli... |
| 01:47.56 | gravity | parsec: Just having a package isn't the same as maintaining it. |
| 01:47.57 | shingouz | muaddib: you sure the package is not on hold? |
| 01:48.10 | budluva | + |
| 01:48.14 | gravity | parsec: You should fix some bugs before getting an upload |
| 01:48.28 | muaddib | shingouz: When I do a search for packages on the packages.debian.org it says its avaliable |
| 01:48.40 | gravity | parsec: You can start with the grave bug |
| 01:48.50 | Solet | printer install sounds almost as evil as wifi install..... |
| 01:49.01 | parsec | gravity: do you know what package im building for |
| 01:49.04 | parsec | gravity: did i tell you |
| 01:49.06 | parsec | ehh |
| 01:49.06 | shingouz | muaddib: not on p.d.o but maybe you have it on hold on your system. if you need it upgraded just apt-get install foo |
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| 01:49.22 | gravity | parsec: yes |
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| 01:49.59 | parsec | gravity: so then i guess i have to find bug reports for unrar |
| 01:50.09 | gravity | parsec: That should be easy. |
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| 01:50.20 | gravity | parsec: You do know about Debian's bug system, right? |
| 01:50.23 | muaddib | shingouz: It says the package is at the latest release |
| 01:50.25 | parsec | gravity: yes |
| 01:50.31 | muaddib | when I issue the command |
| 01:50.33 | gravity | Well, go to it |
| 01:50.35 | shingouz | muaddib: the it has to be |
| 01:51.09 | parsec | gravity: i assume you mean debian.org/Bugs |
| 01:51.27 | muaddib | shingouz: Then why is the mirror have a new package version |
| 01:51.39 | gravity | parsec: Yes |
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| 01:51.49 | shingouz | muaddib: i do not know |
| 01:52.42 | shingouz | muaddib: "when I do an apt-update update & upgrade" <-- that should be "apt-get update && apt-get upgrade" |
| 01:52.58 | abrotman | gravity: do you maintain anything ? |
| 01:53.15 | gravity | abrotman: Yep |
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| 01:53.23 | Steven_Y | hello all, ask a question. How can I upload a directory using lftp? mput seems cant do it. thanks |
| 01:53.36 | abrotman | gravity: i just couldn't remember if you were DD or just a commoner |
| 01:53.39 | muaddib | shingouz: That's what I've done |
| 01:54.00 | shingouz | muaddib: you said apt-update update & upgrade |
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| 01:55.42 | muaddib | shingouz: My bad I mispelled it |
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| 01:56.20 | nse | Steven_Y: you should read some documentation before asking questions here |
| 01:56.33 | parsec | gravity: some of these bugs are ridiculous.. liek someone wants -c to work like the win version of rar, however that flag is already being used.. so i guess those kinda bugs are just rejected or ingnored? |
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| 01:57.04 | Steven_Y | nse thank you ^^ |
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| 01:57.28 | gravity | parsec: Just fix the ones that make sense to fix |
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| 01:58.02 | magyar | can anyone tell me how can i get "personal toolbar" to show little icons instead of tiny bookmarks? |
| 01:58.09 | green_earz | Steven_Y: have a look at using ncftp > A user-friendly and well-featured FTP client |
| 01:58.09 | magyar | mozilla |
| 01:58.11 | barretj | when i run xscreensaver, the x-shaped mouse cursor shows up in the center of my screen and does not go away, but i can still use my mouse |
| 01:58.21 | barretj | anyone else have this problem? |
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| 02:00.40 | RootsLINUX | barretj: I've had the problem before, a long time ago |
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| 02:01.03 | barretj | RootsLINUX: how did you solve it? |
| 02:01.15 | RootsLINUX | I think the problem might be that you don't have a session manager or window manager installed properly. I can't remember exactly how I fixed it |
| 02:01.22 | barretj | hmm |
| 02:01.49 | parsec | gravity: alot of these dont tell you if they are closed or open.. |
| 02:01.51 | parsec | gravity :/ |
| 02:01.58 | RootsLINUX | Is your XF86-4 file setup properly? |
| 02:02.09 | gravity | parsec: What do you mean? It says it right there. |
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| 02:03.11 | parsec | gravity: where/ |
| 02:03.22 | gravity | parsec: Dude. It's a bug tracking system. You need to understand it. |
| 02:03.32 | parsec | heh |
| 02:03.36 | parsec | we use bug tracking systems at work |
| 02:03.38 | parsec | all the time |
| 02:03.41 | parsec | i know how to use it |
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| 02:03.46 | parsec | it should be far more concise |
| 02:03.48 | barretj | i think the XF86Config is set up right |
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| 02:03.57 | parsec | it shouldnt have bugs listed, and then you open the bug report and its been closed. |
| 02:03.59 | chealer | and it's the best BTS :) |
| 02:04.18 | gravity | parsec: It's organized. Read the page. |
| 02:04.26 | Delph | parsec: you been clicking on the "recently closed bugs, will be archived in <x> days" bugs? |
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| 02:05.20 | fourwire | Hi all! I lost my root password |
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| 02:05.30 | fourwire | Is this the right place to get help? |
| 02:05.46 | gravity | fourwire: Google it |
| 02:05.54 | oigres | Hi guys, how can I check the speed of my network link? |
| 02:05.59 | gravity | I can pretty much guarantee that your question is on google |
| 02:06.01 | fourwire | tried but I can't seem to do it |
| 02:06.08 | Delph | fourwire: *thinks hard* ... was your password .... dave? |
| 02:06.17 | adjacent | oigres: myspeed.visualware.com is the heat for link tests |
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| 02:06.38 | oigres | adjacent: OK. , I'm checking that... |
| 02:06.56 | fourwire | when i use my debian install disc, i can't seem to mount hda because it is not in /dev |
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| 02:07.57 | ethics | fourwire: what chipset motherboard? |
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| 02:08.21 | Danar | could someone tell me why this isn't working? http://rafb.net/paste/results/8ICdSq49.html |
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| 02:09.20 | Danar | the --force-overwrite-diverted should do just that, no? |
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| 02:10.18 | nathan_ | hello, im a linux newbie and just installed debian (sarge), im sure you guys get this question every day... but how do i enable resolutions higher than 800x600 (im using an ATI Radeon 9200LE 128MB and the ATI xserver if it helps) |
| 02:10.49 | nathan_ | does anyone have a quick walkthrough or a link to more information about enabling higher resolutions? |
| 02:11.06 | abrotman | nathan_: which desktop ? |
| 02:11.17 | Danar | nathan_: this might help: http://xoomer.virgilio.it/flavio.stanchina/debian/fglrx-installer.html |
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| 02:11.22 | nathan_ | abrotman, gnome |
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| 02:12.41 | abrotman | nathan_: Applications -> Desktop Preferences -> Screen Resolution |
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| 02:12.41 | abrotman | nathan_: try that |
| 02:12.42 | Danar | what just happened/ |
| 02:12.42 | nathan_ | abrotman, the only options are 640x480 and 800x600 |
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| 02:12.42 | abrotman | !drxx nathan_ |
| 02:12.42 | dpkg | nathan_: dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xfree86 (as root) |
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| 02:12.42 | shingouz | Danar: netsplit |
| 02:12.42 | abrotman | nathan_: does your card support higher? |
| 02:12.42 | abrotman | !netsplit |
| 02:12.42 | dpkg | i heard netsplit is A deliberate disconnection between (at least) two servers on one IRC network. Usually occurs when the output-queue for the link has filled up too much to make a timely (re)sync likely, so it's preferred to maintain sanity (and lag-freeness) for both parts of the network. Occurs anywhere where links between IRC-servers have too little bandwidth (available/allocated). |
| 02:12.43 | gratuit | is there an easy way to run a command 30 seconds from now? i.e. I type something, and the command delays 30 seconds, then runs the command I want it to |
| 02:12.44 | chalenged | hmm out of cuirosity how come this channel has so many users in it?....i know i have 4 nicks in the list and only 1 PC on....any real reason for that? |
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| 02:13.03 | abrotman | Danar: freenode is a group of servers .. sometimes they get mad at stop talking to each other |
| 02:13.11 | Danar | heh |
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| 02:13.42 | abrotman | chalenged: lots of lurkers |
| 02:13.42 | magyar | how do i enable favicons in mozilla (sarge) 1.7.7? |
| 02:13.42 | Epix | i have a long list of files i want to download. how can i just copy and paste to download? i dont want to have to wget each one manually. |
| 02:13.42 | gratuit | like me most of the time :) |
| 02:13.44 | abrotman | enable? |
| 02:13.47 | nathan_ | abrotman, my card supports godly resolutions my 19" Dell CRT cant even hope to achieve. but i run at 1600x1200@32bpp @ 85hz with this video card / monitor |
| 02:13.51 | abrotman | yeah .. like tha tdirty gratuit !! |
| 02:13.52 | nathan_ | in windows xp |
| 02:13.59 | abrotman | godly? |
| 02:14.03 | chalenged | hmm and it kicked me to my second name now.....im ethics... |
| 02:14.04 | oigres | nathan_:_: you should edit /etc/X11/XF86-Config-4 and add the resolution you need. If you find this hard, try dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xfree86 ... Good luck! |
| 02:14.06 | abrotman | nathan_: i don't know what kind of card you have |
| 02:14.09 | Danar | Epix: you can put the URLs in a text file, and use kget |
| 02:14.18 | abrotman | chalenged: /nick ethics |
| 02:14.29 | nathan_ | abrotman, ATI Radeon 9200 128mb |
| 02:14.52 | abrotman | nathan_: should support higher .. try to reconfigure X .. and pick a higher resolution |
| 02:14.54 | abrotman | !drxx nathan_ |
| 02:14.55 | dpkg | nathan_: dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xfree86 (as root) |
| 02:14.56 | ethics | yay i am me |
| 02:14.58 | nathan_ | abrotman, well on this box, it doesnt touch my nVidia 6800 Ultra 256mb but its respectable enough |
| 02:15.06 | nathan_ | thanks |
| 02:15.14 | abrotman | i don't respect nvidia :) |
| 02:15.40 | fourwire2 | anyone wants to help me with my lost root password? |
| 02:15.51 | ethics | nvidia make great cards....pity they dont make their drivers useful... |
| 02:15.57 | chealer | !i forgot root's password |
| 02:15.57 | dpkg | 1) 'linux init=/bin/sh' at a lilo boot prompt (hold Shift while booting to make one appear), 2) 'fsck' your root file system, 3) 'mount -o remount,rw /', 4) 'passwd root' 5) 'mount -o remount,ro /' 6) reboot -d -f (exec /sbin/init should work); For GRUB (e.g. sarge): in step 1, press 'e' to edit the kernel setting (add init=/bin/sh to the end of it), 'b' to boot. Steps 2-6 are the same. |
| 02:16.02 | abrotman | !forgot root's password |
| 02:16.04 | abrotman | bah |
| 02:16.06 | furrywolf | fourwire: have you checked in the couch? I always look there when I lose something. |
| 02:16.07 | ethics | fourwire: what harddisk controller you have? |
| 02:16.23 | fourwire2 | :0 |
| 02:16.45 | ethics | fourwire: i had a similar issue yesterday caused by a kernel bug which is unfixed but i dont think its the same prob |
| 02:16.51 | Epix | fourwire2, ok, so do you have sudo perms? |
| 02:17.04 | muaddib | Does anyone play around with dual head video cards I am in the market of buying one but I am completely ignorant as to what will WORK well with my system but won't cost me an arm and a leg |
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| 02:17.24 | fourwire2 | epix, no i lost my only user account too... my box has been turned off for a month |
| 02:17.37 | ethics | muaddib: had matrox g500 550s etc .... |
| 02:17.39 | Epix | fourwire2, if not, boot single user. if you wanna feel haxorish, use John the Ripper (...that takes forever though :P) |
| 02:17.40 | libpcp | hi all |
| 02:17.47 | furrywolf | fourwire: just do what the factoid said... boot with init=/bin/sh and reset the pass |
| 02:17.53 | abrotman | muaddib: afaik ..you have ati,nvidia,matrox to pick from |
| 02:17.54 | gratuit | muaddib: you can get a second pci card cheap if you arn't going to be gaming on the second head |
| 02:18.03 | ethics | muaddib: 2 nvidia cards atm...work well hard part was getting a PCI geforce |
| 02:18.06 | Epix | <PROTECTED> |
| 02:18.09 | fourwire2 | I can't mount / |
| 02:18.12 | gratuit | muaddib: and want to keep your current card |
| 02:18.18 | abrotman | muaddib: if you want good 3d . don't get matrox .. they make great 2d .. not so good 3d |
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| 02:18.19 | fourwire2 | that's my problem |
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| 02:18.32 | abrotman | yay |
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| 02:18.39 | ethics | muaddib: i have a quad head card from s3 which still works hehehe |
| 02:19.02 | muaddib | ethics: DAMN how much did that cost |
| 02:19.05 | abrotman | matrox makes a quad head .. or 8 head |
| 02:19.07 | muaddib | how old is it |
| 02:19.20 | libpcp | i would like to ask whats the best package to run an asp script in linux? |
| 02:19.28 | ^ATOMIC^[w] | Need help asap, gotta get server back up, while reinstalling at start its saying "Loading MOdules "sd_mod" for "scsi disk support" and it has basicly halted |
| 02:19.33 | ^ATOMIC^[w] | how do i bypass it looking for scsi |
| 02:19.37 | ethics | muaddib: i bought it for $100 hehehe but no one knew what it was heheh |
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| 02:19.49 | Seb | what's a good RDBMS modeler ? The kind that produces nice pictures of a SQL schema, with foreign key relations and all... |
| 02:21.18 | Epix | wow |
| 02:21.18 | Epix | how did that happen? |
| 02:21.19 | abrotman | oh .. that wasn't so big |
| 02:21.21 | adjacent | SHAZAAM! |
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| 02:21.31 | abrotman | !netsplit |
| 02:21.31 | abrotman | bah |
| 02:21.32 | Epix | what is that? |
| 02:21.32 | abrotman | Epix: it was a netsplit |
| 02:21.32 | abrotman | !netsplit |
| 02:21.32 | ^ATOMIC^[w] | Need help asap, gotta get server back up, while reinstalling at start its saying "Loading MOdules "sd_mod" for "scsi disk support" and it has basicly halted ?? how do i bypass please help |
| 02:21.51 | dpkg | well, netsplit is A deliberate disconnection between (at least) two servers on one IRC network. Usually occurs when the output-queue for the link has filled up too much to make a timely (re)sync likely, so it's preferred to maintain sanity (and lag-freeness) for both parts of the network. Occurs anywhere where links between IRC-servers have too little bandwidth (available/allocated). |
| 02:22.38 | abrotman | Epix: ^^ |
| 02:22.38 | Epix | wee! |
| 02:22.38 | Epix | ;p; |
| 02:22.38 | abrotman | oh .. ffs |
| 02:22.38 | Epix | why am i not being split then |
| 02:22.38 | adjacent | hold on! approaching warp speed! |
| 02:22.38 | abrotman | you are |
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| 02:22.38 | Epix | pl |
| 02:22.38 | benjamindees | Epix, relativity |
| 02:22.38 | ethics | ! |
| 02:22.38 | yxa | is it a big one? |
| 02:22.38 | abrotman | Epix: you'rre just apparently on the larger side of the split |
| 02:22.38 | muaddib | does it matter how much memory I should try to get for the card I was thinking 128 but is that enough |
| 02:22.39 | furrywolf | epix: an irc network is like a star-connected lan... if you unplug a link, you're left with two smaller lans that don't talk to each other. |
| 02:23.10 | muaddib | for a dual head I eman |
| 02:23.10 | ethics | omg the servers going to explode.....get out of here!!!! |
| 02:23.10 | abrotman | uh .. we're getting smaller and smaller |
| 02:23.10 | muaddib | I have 1G in my current system now |
| 02:23.10 | abrotman | 1G video ram ? |
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| 02:23.38 | ethics | <muaddib> why you want dual heads etc what kind of stuff you do ? |
| 02:23.39 | furrywolf | and, of course, a netjoin is when you plug them back together. :P |
| 02:23.39 | ethics | if i get split one more time im going to be upset!! |
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| 02:24.03 | adjacent | ugh 666 in channel. the devils netsplit |
| 02:24.03 | shingouz | woo |
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| 02:24.04 | Paganist | dalnode |
| 02:24.04 | abrotman | everyone feel better? |
| 02:24.04 | ethics | hmm i wonder if its got anything to do with this wire from brown.freenode.net that has a microsoft router on it.... |
| 02:24.04 | simonrvn | plonk |
| 02:24.05 | ^ATOMIC^[w] | Need help asap, gotta get server back up, while reinstalling at start its saying "Loading MOdules "sd_mod" for "scsi disk support" and it has basicly halted ?? how do i bypass please help |
| 02:24.08 | ^ATOMIC^[w] | help please |
| 02:24.09 | ^ATOMIC^[w] | its urgent |
| 02:24.15 | ethics | im not sure if i want to be joined to this server......i have no choice ....damnit |
| 02:24.20 | abrotman | boot a working kernel ? |
| 02:24.21 | muaddib | ethics: I have really old video card that I want to replace and a friend just gave me an LCD monitor plus my 19 inch CRT and I wanted to use them both and I was thinking of a dual head |
| 02:24.29 | shingouz | !nickometer ^ATOMIC^[w] |
| 02:24.29 | dpkg | '^ATOMIC^[w]' is 99.780% lame, shingouz |
| 02:24.35 | abrotman | ethics: this is a bad set .. normally not this bad |
| 02:24.41 | furrywolf | atomic: boot off a rescue disk and try to see what you broke? |
| 02:24.42 | pngwn | ^ATOMIC^[w], will that be visa or mastercard? |
| 02:24.48 | ethics | muaddib: linux pc im assuming? |
| 02:24.51 | chealer | shingouz: I was trying to resist doing that... |
| 02:24.57 | muaddib | ethics: YUP |
| 02:24.59 | shingouz | ^ATOMIC^[w]: you have the root on scsi? |
| 02:25.02 | benjamindees | ethics, did you say "microsoft router" ? |
| 02:25.45 | chealer | airlines are in trouble these times |
| 02:25.45 | Paganist | hehe |
| 02:25.47 | ethics | benjamindees: yeah they rebadged a heap of old synaptics routers about 5 years back...ive been kicking this router for weeks....makes me feel better |
| 02:26.09 | Paganist | unexpected routing trouble <======> microsoft router ..... coincidence ? |
| 02:26.17 | ^ATOMIC^[w] | shingouz: there is no scsi in there |
| 02:26.22 | ^ATOMIC^[w] | but it keeps halting |
| 02:26.23 | ethics | muaddib: well id proabbly say hoild back and wait for the PCI express stuff to settle down |
| 02:26.31 | abrotman | what ms router? |
| 02:26.51 | ^ATOMIC^[w] | furrywolf its new install old drive corrupt and taken out |
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| 02:27.40 | ethics | muaddib: but i think the matrox dualheads like g500/550s work ok under linux....dont expect flash 3d speed tho.... |
| 02:27.43 | shingouz | ^ATOMIC^[w]: boot off a rescue disk and take the offending modules out if you do not need them. and change the nick, it hurts my eyes |
| 02:27.51 | westward | hi,all. How can I figure out my kernel version exactly? |
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| 02:27.56 | abrotman | uname 0r |
| 02:27.58 | abrotman | err -r |
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| 02:28.36 | shingouz | ^ATOMIC^[w]: stop messaging me |
| 02:28.43 | FieldySnuts | !irritate ^ATOMIC^[w] |
| 02:28.44 | dpkg | ^ATOMIC^[w]: is there ne1 who cn answer my n00b q? who uses sound hello? |
| 02:28.44 | ethics | muaddib: if you want good 3d the only cards i can rememebr that did it well was the fire GL 3000 but i beleive ATI bought them out from diamond and are using them as brains in alot of radeon stuff so i guess the radeon cards would be nice |
| 02:28.59 | ^ATOMIC^[w] | ffs |
| 02:29.04 | ethics | heheheh |
| 02:29.04 | westward | abrotman: thank you! |
| 02:29.09 | FieldySnuts | bash: FFS: command not found!!!!!!!!!11 |
| 02:29.11 | ^ATOMIC^[w] | and they expect epoeplt o come ehre for support when no one helps and they jstu bitch |
| 02:29.22 | FieldySnuts | define they? |
| 02:29.24 | shingouz | ^ATOMIC^[w]: will that be visa or mastercard? |
| 02:29.25 | ^ATOMIC^[w] | gotta learn to type |
| 02:29.25 | abrotman | FieldySnuts: heh |
| 02:29.28 | FieldySnuts | :) |
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| 02:29.49 | abrotman | boot a working kernel .. |
| 02:29.51 | ^ATOMIC^[w] | How Can I Bypasss install tring to find scsi in a boot paramator ? |
| 02:29.57 | ^ATOMIC^[w] | I DONT" AHEV ONE |
| 02:30.00 | ethics | ATOMIC: Bing next victim: so whats your issue? |
| 02:30.02 | ^ATOMIC^[w] | listen i'm installing |
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| 02:30.12 | ^ATOMIC^[w] | from scratch |
| 02:30.18 | shingouz | ^ATOMIC^[w]: rescue disk there? use it |
| 02:30.21 | ethics | umm is there a boot option of noscsi? |
| 02:30.24 | muaddib | ethics: Besides from gaming (and I paly Unreal tournament) is it worth it to get a 3d card I will eventually be placing this system in a PVR |
| 02:30.31 | ^ATOMIC^[w] | ethics thats what i'm askign |
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| 02:30.50 | ethics | muaddib: id personally say no because the drivers are all limited.. |
| 02:30.58 | FieldySnuts | probably. dig around in the Documents dir of the kernel source or something |
| 02:31.03 | abrotman | ^ATOMIC^[w]: how did you arrive at this point? .. didn't oyu have a working kernel before? |
| 02:31.13 | ^ATOMIC^[w] | yeah but i killed it |
| 02:31.14 | ^ATOMIC^[w] | :P |
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| 02:31.49 | ethics | muaddib: but for instance a rendering PC for say houdini or 3dsmax or something on windows good 3d cards help heaps....gaming wise g500s used to play games in 1998 very well.... |
| 02:31.54 | hulu | did you try append="scsi=off" on the kernel boot line? |
| 02:32.06 | FieldySnuts | what the hell are those? |
| 02:32.10 | ethics | muaddib: g550 and 600s came out evey 18 months after that |
| 02:32.13 | sussudio | fluffy weasels |
| 02:32.21 | FieldySnuts | :\ |
| 02:32.21 | Steven_Y | down? |
| 02:32.26 | ^ATOMIC^[w] | hulu: no but i will thanks you at least someone is tring to help |
| 02:32.27 | FieldySnuts | @annoy sussudio |
| 02:32.34 | FieldySnuts | ravenbird: hi |
| 02:32.42 | FieldySnuts | feh. |
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| 02:33.13 | hulu | well i think there is a better way maybe to disable it. i think you would try to disable a specific scsi disk |
| 02:33.17 | abrotman | ravenbird: wake up |
| 02:33.20 | muaddib | ethics: g500 600 that's ATI yes |
| 02:33.26 | sussudio | !stab ravenbird |
| 02:33.26 | ethics | muaddib: id look at ebay for matrox 500/550/650 millenium dual head cards....should be dirt cheap.....old enough to work in all the distros....big enough to do wehat you need and not expensive enough to regret trying it |
| 02:33.26 | FieldySnuts | apt: hi |
| 02:33.27 | apt | hello, fieldysnuts |
| 02:33.29 | hulu | with an ignore statement maybe |
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| 02:33.43 | ethics | muaddib: Matrox/MGA |
| 02:33.47 | FieldySnuts | dpkg: badgeros? |
| 02:33.47 | dpkg | part of the mushroom framework. |
| 02:34.02 | ravenbird | sussudio: HOW TO THIS????? |
| 02:34.02 | ravenbird | hi |
| 02:34.03 | ravenbird | abrotman: I'm already awake! :) |
| 02:34.05 | FieldySnuts | hah |
| 02:34.20 | abrotman | heh |
| 02:34.23 | magyar | (chmod: changing permissions of `disk0': Read-only file system) what is this? |
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| 02:34.35 | sussudio | !start a badger war |
| 02:34.35 | dpkg | kawfees are better than badgers |
| 02:34.40 | sussudio | no |
| 02:34.42 | FieldySnuts | yes |
| 02:34.45 | FieldySnuts | heh |
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| 02:35.29 | FieldySnuts | apt: start a bdger war |
| 02:35.31 | J_P | anyone know if have .deb of eclipse 3.x ? |
| 02:35.32 | FieldySnuts | apt: start a badger war |
| 02:35.35 | sussudio | !lose FieldySnuts |
| 02:35.36 | dpkg | FieldySnuts: You Lose. |
| 02:35.37 | FieldySnuts | hi! |
| 02:35.39 | FieldySnuts | bleh. |
| 02:35.43 | Phated | Hi. |
| 02:35.50 | ^ATOMIC^[w] | btw this is happaning during the Detecting hardware to find CD-ROM device |
| 02:35.50 | FieldySnuts | Phated: how are ya |
| 02:36.01 | Phated | FieldySnuts: Great, and you? |
| 02:36.02 | ^ATOMIC^[w] | and neather of them ahev worked it still stall;s on scsi fine |
| 02:36.05 | FieldySnuts | fine~ |
| 02:36.13 | FieldySnuts | ~nickometer ^ATOMIC^[w] |
| 02:36.18 | FieldySnuts | wow. |
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| 02:36.38 | budluva | my burner only burns at 4x, but its a 16x dvdrw with 16x media, i think someone told me i had to fix a dma setting or something? is this correct? |
| 02:36.40 | witless | microsoft has been paying RALPH REED $20,000 per month: http://americablog.blogspot.com/2005/04/microsoft-paying-religious-right.html |
| 02:36.47 | ^ATOMIC^[w] | omg lot of help this place is |
| 02:36.49 | shingouz | ^ATOMIC^[w]: you have discover on a server? geee. and change the nick please, it really hurts my eyes |
| 02:36.51 | abrotman | witless: fuck off and die |
| 02:36.55 | FieldySnuts | @ops witless trolling |
| 02:36.56 | ravenbird | Hydroxide, bob2, caphuso, dondelelcaro, doogie, eeyore-, ElectricElf, greycat, helix, ljlane, LoRez, mentor, Netsnipe, TML, walters, xk: witless trolling |
| 02:37.00 | muaddib | ethics: is the matrox cards DVI |
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| 02:37.06 | witless | how is that trolling |
| 02:37.09 | abrotman | more of a spamming |
| 02:37.14 | FieldySnuts | same thing |
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| 02:37.22 | FieldySnuts | thanks |
| 02:37.29 | Epix | how do i install the flashplugin-nonfree to mozilla? |
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| 02:37.53 | ethics | muaddib: from what i remember of them the card had a DVI and DB15 head and a cable to convert the DVI to DB15 for 2nd monitor non dvi |
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| 02:38.14 | abrotman | ethics: the matrox cards? |
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| 02:38.46 | ethics | abrotman: yeah matrox dual heads are cheap for a play around...no 3d required really |
| 02:39.03 | abrotman | ethics: my g400 has db15 and dvi |
| 02:39.06 | abrotman | err had |
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| 02:39.30 | ethics | muaddib: http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&category=40160&item=5188614078&rd=1 |
| 02:39.43 | ethics | muaddib: $20 bucks US.....hehe |
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| 02:40.12 | ethics | http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&category=67863&item=5188665257&rd=1 |
| 02:40.23 | chealer | Epix: aptitude install flashplugin-nonfree ? |
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| 02:40.34 | ethics | theres a 450 and 550 dualhead off ebay...bids get up to about $30 US ehhe |
| 02:40.37 | abrotman | ethics: why not just give him the link to the search results |
| 02:40.38 | muaddib | ethics: is 16mb enough now adays |
| 02:40.45 | nathan_ | hmm, so i thought PPC was a good thing, got sarge running on a G3 500 w/ 512mb of ram, far more sluggish than my P3 866 w/ 512mb of ram |
| 02:41.05 | ethics | muaddib: 1024x768 24bit fullscreen video....8 MB ram |
| 02:41.10 | shingouz | nathan_: not *that* good |
| 02:41.17 | abrotman | who needs video ram |
| 02:41.20 | moshii | nathan_: don't say anything bad about ppc, people with stab you in the eyes |
| 02:41.26 | abrotman | ppc sucks |
| 02:41.30 | ethics | muaddib: 3d games gobble video ram...2d stuff doesnt |
| 02:41.32 | FieldySnuts | !fuck pcc |
| 02:41.42 | nathan_ | let em stab, im not impressed |
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| 02:41.44 | yxa | if i get a new 2.4 kernel image for my testing right now, would it support posix acl? |
| 02:41.46 | abrotman | it's all about the altivec :) |
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| 02:42.00 | Bac9 | is there a way to find out cd name and other metadata from a cd? |
| 02:42.04 | abrotman | heh |
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| 02:42.22 | bigo | hola |
| 02:42.22 | FlOb | can anyone help me out with samba's configuration files? |
| 02:42.24 | nathan_ | is the G3 really that slow? OSX 10.3.9 was slow as hell on this thing, and debian isnt much better |
| 02:42.34 | abrotman | nathan_: yeah .. it kind of is that bad |
| 02:42.46 | abrotman | FlOb: #samba ? |
| 02:42.53 | FlOb | #samba |
| 02:42.57 | FlOb | o yea |
| 02:42.57 | nathan_ | how does the G4 compare to get G3? |
| 02:42.57 | FlOb | lol |
| 02:42.59 | ethics | <FlOb> head to #samba they know more about it specifically.....were more hardware/os |
| 02:43.02 | FieldySnuts | ravenbird: bang test |
| 02:43.03 | ravenbird | FieldySnuts: bugger all, i dunno |
| 02:43.12 | abrotman | nathan_: afaik ... much better |
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| 02:43.14 | moshii | nathan_: I had debian on a 603e 240mhz Amiga, that wasn't so bad in the day |
| 02:43.21 | abrotman | nathan_: there is a #debianppc |
| 02:43.34 | abrotman | nathan_: they might know more about ppc hardware |
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| 02:44.15 | lobo | hello |
| 02:44.21 | ethics | hi |
| 02:44.34 | ethics | !wave at lobo |
| 02:44.57 | lobo | i live in mexico |
| 02:45.01 | lobo | and you |
| 02:45.02 | ^ATOMIC^[w] | Figured out tis becasue of sata raid |
| 02:45.05 | ^ATOMIC^[w] | any ideas how to bypass? |
| 02:45.18 | lobo | ohhhh |
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| 02:46.22 | ethics | muaddib: theres a quad head on ebay too atm but its like 250 |
| 02:46.50 | lobo | have |
| 02:46.54 | lobo | that |
| 02:47.01 | lobo | configurate |
| 02:47.03 | moshii | ethics: or just buy a bunch of cheap nvidia cards that do twin-view |
| 02:47.12 | ethics | lobo: i live on the internet.....my physical conduit in this world is attached toa debian server atm in australia |
| 02:47.32 | muaddib | ethics: You mention I should wait for PCI express to die down |
| 02:47.40 | abrotman | lobo: this is not a dating channel |
| 02:47.45 | lobo | for that user one firewall |
| 02:47.52 | ethics | moshii: i cant even get the nvidia drivers to install properly let alone use an advanced feature.....(although i havent really triewd much) |
| 02:48.23 | lobo | ok |
| 02:48.27 | lobo | then |
| 02:48.37 | shingouz | !tell lobo about enter |
| 02:48.42 | muaddib | ethics: I thinking about a motherboard that has pci express slot |
| 02:49.02 | ethics | muaddib: well PCI-X allows you to chain cards together for processing power but it hopefully will have drivers released as it is a Standard....rather than a proprietry method |
| 02:49.19 | moshii | ethics: build kernel modules, install the nvidia-glx stuff, not that hard |
| 02:49.27 | muaddib | ethics: ahhh |
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| 02:49.52 | ethics | moshii: and turning on twin view accros AGP and PCI buses? 2 busses to deal with |
| 02:50.05 | abrotman | isn't AGP part of the PCI bus ? |
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| 02:50.13 | abrotman | i thik it is |
| 02:50.22 | buhb0 | is there any way that i can make my console ssh connection over my lan any faster? |
| 02:50.28 | abrotman | oh .. dpkg says no |
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| 02:50.36 | buhb0 | i hate the lag between when i press a key and waiting for it to show up on the screen |
| 02:50.38 | moshii | ethics: I think 4 heads on one card is going to be more difficult.. if xfree/xorg even support such a thing |
| 02:50.39 | ethics | abrotman: yes and no.... |
| 02:50.43 | flurdoing | hello.. why do i have so many instances of kdeinit running? is this normal? |
| 02:50.45 | abrotman | !agp |
| 02:50.45 | dpkg | agp is, like, (Accelerated Graphics Port) This is a special port that began to show up on motherboards in the second half of 1997. The port bypasses the PCI bus and allows much higher throughput from the graphics card to the processor for speedier 3D graphics. You need special graphics cards to fit into this slot. It is not compatible with PCI cards. The linux kernel module which supports direct agp IO is called agpgart. |
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| 02:50.53 | abrotman | flurdoing: #kde or #debian-kde |
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| 02:51.05 | flurdoing | k thanks |
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| 02:52.00 | benjamindees | abrotman, I think agp cards can be accessed like regular pci cards, at least in Linux |
| 02:52.06 | ethics | agp uses the PCI bridge for control functions like PnP etc but it actually communicates down a different bus |
| 02:52.17 | Bac9 | how can I get the label of a cd? |
| 02:52.20 | moshii | you can connect AGP cards to the PCI bus with the right kit.. |
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| 02:52.51 | ethics | moshii: yeah but its not agp speed.....so you buy a PCI card |
| 02:52.52 | abrotman | why would you want that ? |
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| 02:53.12 | bykte | is there some sort of bandwidth meter that checks upload and download speed from a certain connection? |
| 02:53.20 | shingouz | bwm |
| 02:53.34 | buhb0 | is there any way that i can make my console ssh connection over my lan any faster?. |
| 02:53.34 | abrotman | bykte: ask google "bandwidth test" |
| 02:53.45 | moshii | abrotman: not that you would want it .. unless you use weird stuff like PPC's and PCI bridges hacked onto old 68K hardware .. but AGP is basically PCI |
| 02:53.45 | bykte | abrotman, for debian? |
| 02:53.49 | abrotman | buhb0: get a faster client/host |
| 02:53.51 | shingouz | bykte: bwm |
| 02:53.55 | abrotman | bykte: for a browser |
| 02:53.58 | ethics | as i say i dont mind using 2 different cards i have 1 nvfx card and a old PCI gf2mx windows spans the desktops np but id expect that x would be a far more annoying situation |
| 02:54.03 | bykte | shingouz, i am using bwm |
| 02:54.07 | benjamindees | buhb0, what are the specs of these systems? they'd have to be pretty low end to notice a lag |
| 02:54.09 | bykte | but bwm doesnt shows any specifics dont they |
| 02:54.10 | EnterD | I need help compiling a kernel |
| 02:54.22 | bykte | only total rx&tx |
| 02:54.34 | benjamindees | buhb0, ssh will do compression, man ssh |
| 02:55.01 | shingouz | bykte: i am not sure what specifics you need. at least mine seems to show up down and total on all interfaces |
| 02:55.28 | bykte | shingouz, yeah interface i got it |
| 02:55.46 | bykte | i mean on certain connections let's say 127.0.0.1:80 local 222.222.222.222:12345 remote |
| 02:55.49 | buhb0 | benjamindees, the host is 200mhz 32 mb of memory, and the client is 900hz 128 |
| 02:56.11 | abrotman | heh |
| 02:56.25 | buhb0 | i spilt peas in host while working on my coumpter, it fell on the memory lol. but i cleaned it |
| 02:56.26 | benjamindees | buhb0, is the host swapping? that's not much memory |
| 02:56.28 | budluva | my burner only burns at 4x, but its a 16x dvdrw with 16x media is this a hardware problem or is this a problem with debian? |
| 02:56.30 | abrotman | buhb0: i gotta tell you . i've got a 486 here .. i get no "slow down" |
| 02:56.36 | moshii | ethics: I don't think getting Xfree to work across two card would be much of problem if you know what your doing |
| 02:56.42 | buhb0 | yea the host has a 700 mb swap |
| 02:56.46 | shingouz | budluva: depends on the hardware you have there |
| 02:57.03 | buhb0 | but it dosent use more than 12 mb of memory at a given time |
| 02:57.10 | benjamindees | buhb0, and the connection, it's dial-up ? |
| 02:57.14 | buhb0 | dsl |
| 02:57.19 | budluva | i have an nec 3520a dvd rw using sarge |
| 02:57.21 | shingouz | buhb0: what type of connection? ehternet? satellite? modem? |
| 02:57.23 | moshii | ethics: getting Xfree to work with some 4 head card that isn't supported because no one uses it on the other hand would be a huge problem |
| 02:57.32 | buhb0 | but the connection between client and host is lan ethernet |
| 02:57.34 | ethics | muaddib: when you need to try set up dual display moshii will help you out apparently it's not hard... |
| 02:57.34 | shingouz | buhb0: dsl slows it down some |
| 02:57.44 | budluva | ritek ridata dvd+r 16x is the media i use |
| 02:57.52 | benjamindees | buhb0, something's not right, check the memory usage |
| 02:58.09 | buhb0 | it takes like a full to a half of second for a letter to appear after being typed |
| 02:58.12 | ethics | moshii: thats why i said pick something older like a matrox heheh |
| 02:58.36 | muaddib | moshii: re you up for it |
| 02:58.37 | ethics | moshii: not much cost....known setups with them....x supported matrox ..... |
| 02:58.43 | abrotman | buhb0: is the client/server under heavy load ? |
| 02:59.02 | buhb0 | nope neither |
| 02:59.07 | moshii | muaddib: what exactly are you trying to do, a more than two head setup? |
| 02:59.16 | muaddib | ethics: I like the prices on ebay but you recommend matrox |
| 02:59.29 | budluva | shingouz, nec 3520a dvd rw using sarge with ritek ridata dvd+r 16x media |
| 02:59.29 | ethics | im in no way a guru on X with video drivers etc.....as i say i dont even have a working nvisia driver built hehe |
| 02:59.42 | muaddib | moshii: Well a minium of dual head but if I can find a cheap enough quad card why not |
| 02:59.50 | shingouz | budluva: have you been able to burn faster with it so far? |
| 03:00.08 | abrotman | buhb0: are you on a coax network? |
| 03:00.13 | buhb0 | ethernet |
| 03:00.16 | abrotman | god .. my modem isn't even that slow |
| 03:00.16 | ethics | muaddib: well id say matrox would be the most likely to be easy setup....they were the only ones doing dual head cards pre 2000 i think |
| 03:00.18 | budluva | yes, i burnt it faster than 4x in XP |
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| 03:00.28 | benjamindees | budluva, you get errors at faster speeds? |
| 03:00.32 | moshii | muaddib: for dual get a cheap nvidia card, or a cheap matrox if you don't care about it being slow |
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| 03:00.55 | budluva | benjamindees, i physically can't burn higher than 4x, k3b wont allow, it only detects my burner as 4x |
| 03:00.56 | muaddib | moshii: slow it what way compared to the nvida I mean |
| 03:01.03 | abrotman | buhb0: are other transfers slow ? |
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| 03:01.08 | buhb0 | nope |
| 03:01.09 | abrotman | buhb0: sshv2 or v1 ? |
| 03:01.14 | LinuxNIT | is rpc.statd supposed to use a different port each time the computer reboots |
| 03:01.19 | ethics | budluva: beware ritek disks are ....."special" i cant write them at more than 8x |
| 03:01.28 | abrotman | short bus special? |
| 03:01.32 | buhb0 | open ssh v 3.8 |
| 03:01.34 | benjamindees | budluva, you've tried messing with k3bsetup ? |
| 03:01.42 | abrotman | buhb0: protocol .. not program version |
| 03:01.51 | buhb0 | how can i tell |
| 03:02.05 | abrotman | uhm |
| 03:02.14 | abrotman | never thought about it :) |
| 03:02.18 | budluva | benjamindees, yes, i've tried re-detecting the card and every setting, it only detects as 4x, but i can burn a CDR at 48x |
| 03:02.28 | abrotman | buhb0: what OS is the client ? |
| 03:02.28 | moshii | muaddib: depends on what you're doing, matrox cards are slow at everything but 2D desktop work |
| 03:02.41 | budluva | benjamindees, someone told me to enable dma or something on it, could that be possible? |
| 03:02.43 | buhb0 | ive seen the host download at 400 kb/s |
| 03:02.48 | ethics | muaddib: speed decrease is 3d environments....gl is fine |
| 03:02.50 | buhb0 | the client is windows xp using putty |
| 03:03.02 | abrotman | buhb0: dpkg-reconfigure ssh .. you can allow sshv1 if you want |
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| 03:03.22 | buhb0 | whats the faster one |
| 03:03.46 | abrotman | v1 should be faster / less secure |
| 03:03.48 | ethics | muaddib: nvidia cards do 3d much better....but normally accross 2 different cards 1 agp 1 pci |
| 03:03.58 | benjamindees | budluva, I suppose, but I wouldn't think so |
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| 03:04.31 | buhb0 | would split peas on a memory chip cause this? |
| 03:04.37 | ethics | muaddib: although the twinview stuff is one card 2 outputs but one is like the TV out port....not bad output |
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| 03:04.42 | buhb0 | altohugh it was slow at first i think its slower now |
| 03:04.54 | muaddib | ethics: So if I understand FOR 2D matrox and nvida are fine but if I need 3D then get nvida |
| 03:05.36 | Fo | can U give me a hint how to close mysql 3306 and allow only local connections to it ? i dont want my mysql accepting connections from world, only local queries. |
| 03:05.36 | budluva | benjamindees, like could it be a setting for the device is wrong or was set wrong when it was mounted? |
| 03:05.37 | muaddib | ethics: Yeah I read a little bit about that which I was thinking of doing I don't own a DVD unit and was thinking of making one of my monitors to watch movies |
| 03:05.39 | buhb0 | i cleaned it well though |
| 03:06.07 | moshii | muaddib: http://linuxreviews.org/howtos/xfree/Xinerama-HOWTO/ -- what you need to know about multiheading X |
| 03:06.45 | buhb0 | and btw i dont see an optioon to use v 1 in dpkg-reconfigure ssh |
| 03:07.00 | ethics | muaddib: yeah fair call i wont mention my PC in the lounge is pretty much what your doing but i use XP for it because i cant be bothered working out linux dual screens hehe |
| 03:07.14 | abrotman | !u |
| 03:07.14 | dpkg | Damnit Jim! It's YOU. Y-O-U. Not *U*. U is a letter. YOU is a word. See ne1, or wud. Dutch for 'you' (formal singular). See http://ars.userfriendly.org/cartoons/?id=20041201 |
| 03:07.24 | abrotman | Fo: iptables .. www.netfilter.org |
| 03:07.35 | Fo | abrotman :) |
| 03:07.37 | abrotman | Fo: or ask #mysql |
| 03:07.42 | Fo | ok thx |
| 03:07.44 | dondelelcaro | Fo: if you only want local queries, you shouldn't have mysql listening on a port at all. |
| 03:07.47 | ethics | muaddib: plus i dont need it to do anything other than what its doing and bluescreens only come 1 time every week so far....better than i expected |
| 03:08.01 | dondelelcaro | Fo: mysql (and postgresql for that matter) are perfectly capable of listening to connections on a socket. |
| 03:08.08 | abrotman | yay sockets! |
| 03:08.19 | Fo | one more cigarette and vodka tonic... that will do |
| 03:08.25 | abrotman | do what? |
| 03:08.32 | Fo | good :> |
| 03:08.44 | dondelelcaro | but > 1 vodka tonic will do better. |
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| 03:09.09 | abrotman | >10? |
| 03:09.09 | shingouz | but it is vodka... wheres the bourbon |
| 03:09.12 | Fo | :D |
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| 03:09.30 | dondelelcaro | abrotman: >10 is still good... although, at that level, I say DITCH THE STUPID TONIC. |
| 03:09.50 | muaddib | ethics: Money is kinda of tight Trying to save up for a Car and going back to finish undergrad so I was trying to use what I have :) |
| 03:09.55 | Miauwhite | i |
| 03:09.55 | abrotman | dondelelcaro: i'm more of a tequila guy :) |
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| 03:10.02 | dondelelcaro | abrotman: nothing wrong with that either... |
| 03:10.03 | moshii | what would be a good windowmanager for a 133mhz pentium with 48meg of ram? |
| 03:10.10 | Miauwhite | ai |
| 03:10.10 | muaddib | ethics: But if I had the money I would just buy windows media center |
| 03:10.11 | stouset | moshii: fluxbox? |
| 03:10.11 | abrotman | moshii: blackbox |
| 03:10.18 | abrotman | heh |
| 03:10.25 | shingouz | moshii: icewm, xfce3 |
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| 03:10.34 | Miauwhite | ai |
| 03:10.35 | adjacent | moshii: windows 95? |
| 03:10.44 | barretj | fluxbox |
| 03:10.44 | abrotman | dondelelcaro: last time i did a decent amount of gin .. i was about 16 . and drank some london dry gin straight from the bottle |
| 03:10.45 | shingouz | adjacent: bash |
| 03:10.50 | barretj | moshii: fluxbox |
| 03:10.51 | dondelelcaro | abrotman: heh |
| 03:10.52 | chealer | Miauwhite: try a consonant now |
| 03:10.53 | Miauwhite | ai |
| 03:10.57 | abrotman | dondelelcaro: you know . that stuff burns |
| 03:11.06 | dondelelcaro | abrotman: yerp... but it's mmm... good. |
| 03:11.09 | muaddib | shingouz: on 48meg of memory |
| 03:11.18 | dondelelcaro | well, london dry gin isn't... but good gin is. |
| 03:11.20 | moshii | adjacent: heh, can't install it on the machine, no cdrom.. my little brother with no unix experience managed to get debian installed with help over msn |
| 03:11.29 | stouset | moshii: grats |
| 03:11.33 | abrotman | dondelelcaro: i'm sure .. it was just in a friends liquor cabinet .. |
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| 03:11.43 | abrotman | dondelelcaro: but .. tequila is yummy :) |
| 03:11.43 | shingouz | muaddib: yes? what about it? X runs on smaller computers too. |
| 03:12.14 | muaddib | shingouz: Sorry I overtyped my posted I was trying to comment on xfce |
| 03:12.28 | barretj | anyone ever had a problem with xscreensaver putting a mouse cursor in the middle of the screen that wont go away? |
| 03:12.34 | moshii | native driver for the graphics in it makes the screen "scroll", so I have to work out something that isn't going to run like crap with the vesa driver and 48meg of ram :/ |
| 03:12.37 | dondelelcaro | abrotman: yes... good tequila is excellent |
| 03:12.38 | ethics | muaddib: well if you have a PCI card and a AGP card you can try 2 card setups.....moshii may know more about it specifically.... |
| 03:12.41 | muaddib | shingouz: I remember testing it and it barely performed on on 64mbit of ram |
| 03:12.41 | shingouz | muaddib: xfce3 can be run on 48M. it is not the fastest around but it sure works |
| 03:12.48 | abrotman | dondelelcaro: even bad tequila isn't that bad |
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| 03:13.09 | shingouz | muaddib: what the hell were you running on the computer if 64M was not enough? damn |
| 03:13.09 | dondelelcaro | abrotman: well, so long as it's actually ethanol... some of it can be deadly. |
| 03:13.16 | abrotman | dondelelcaro: i can even do a good bit of MezCal |
| 03:13.20 | dondelelcaro | heh |
| 03:13.51 | muaddib | shingouz: We were trying to create a machine for a Internet caffe or to mimic a internet cafe |
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| 03:14.28 | eob84 | hi |
| 03:14.31 | DrD | hi |
| 03:14.34 | barretj | no one? |
| 03:14.34 | shingouz | muaddib: popular project these days it seems. i still claim that xfce runs on small computers. done it and have the scarst to prove it |
| 03:14.43 | abrotman | barretj: you want tequila? |
| 03:14.43 | eob84 | I just compiled a kernel using make-kpkg |
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| 03:14.57 | fulvioo | hnf |
| 03:15.04 | eob84 | and when I trie to boot into I get a kernel panic |
| 03:15.05 | moshii | shingouz: I think I ran xfce on a 32meg 233mhz p2 a little while ago, wasn't much fun |
| 03:15.07 | barretj | abrotman: the drink? |
| 03:15.13 | abrotman | eob84: why? |
| 03:15.15 | eob84 | it tells me I need to set a root parameter |
| 03:15.18 | fulvioo | after apt-get --purge remove, there are still lots of config files from removed packages |
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| 03:15.28 | fulvioo | anyone knows a good way to automate the clean of them? |
| 03:15.29 | abrotman | eob84: that's kind of vague |
| 03:15.36 | eob84 | a root=boot paremeter I think it says |
| 03:15.41 | abrotman | fulvioo: man dpkg |
| 03:15.44 | barretj | is abrotman a bot? |
| 03:15.53 | moshii | shingouz: makes a good kde3.4 xterminal though :D |
| 03:15.54 | shingouz | moshii: what the hell were you trying to run ontop of the xfce then? openoffice? mozilla? |
| 03:16.03 | shingouz | and kde is a hog |
| 03:16.08 | fulvioo | abrotman that aint helping. I need to clean lots of old config/bak/stuff files from removed packages |
| 03:16.11 | abrotman | barretj: is it larger than a breadbox ? |
| 03:16.21 | barretj | abrotman: no! |
| 03:16.24 | shingouz | abrotman botsnack |
| 03:16.30 | buhb0 | so is there a tool that will test my memory to see if its ok? |
| 03:16.33 | abrotman | shingouz: aw gee, thanks! |
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| 03:16.41 | abrotman | buhb0: memtest |
| 03:16.43 | fulvioo | buhb0 memtest86 |
| 03:16.54 | moshii | shingouz: the machine used to panic saying that it was out of memory just starting xfree half the time, it had issues to say the least |
| 03:17.06 | fulvioo | this is so primitive |
| 03:17.09 | eob84 | is there a special pattern I need to follow to boot into a new kernel? |
| 03:17.14 | fulvioo | I thought --purge would remove all the files |
| 03:17.17 | eob84 | parameter* |
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| 03:17.39 | abrotman | eob84: what is the error ? |
| 03:17.41 | fulvioo | but it looks like, it still leaves a shitload |
| 03:17.43 | r0lit0 | hello |
| 03:17.44 | shingouz | moshii: it sure had to have issues. swap helps too... and removing all the stupid discover and hotplug and other assorted crap the sarge installer insists on |
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| 03:17.51 | eob84 | let me go see what it is |
| 03:17.53 | eob84 | brb |
| 03:17.58 | abrotman | heh |
| 03:18.21 | moshii | shingouz: it had swap, you could hear the poor thing swapping out before crunching to death |
| 03:18.46 | shingouz | moshii: bad configuration in that case. very bad configuration |
| 03:19.13 | cantik | 6+ |
| 03:19.22 | moshii | shingouz: default sarge, saying that NetBSD wasn't too hot on it either.. special needs machine |
| 03:20.16 | buhb0 | Allocated 16793600 bytes...trying mlock...failed: insufficient resources. |
| 03:20.20 | buhb0 | what does that mean |
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| 03:20.58 | shingouz | moshii: that is the problem. default sarge. a p1-120 with 32M of ram needs something that does not have all the fancy crap sarge insists on. hotplug, discover, read-edid... all gnome and kde crap has to go... pre-emptive kernel... |
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| 03:21.02 | r0lit0 | ppl i need some help |
| 03:21.23 | shingouz | moshii: basically just install potato or woody and dist-upgrade |
| 03:21.28 | r0lit0 | how i can mount an USB device on my debian |
| 03:21.28 | r0lit0 | ? |
| 03:21.53 | adjacent | r0lit0: google. look at /dev/sda |
| 03:22.16 | abrotman | !tell r0lit0 about usb-storage |
| 03:22.37 | r0lit0 | thnks!! |
| 03:22.54 | adjacent | r0lit0: try to use stainless hardware, iron alloys will rust after a few years. it will stay mounted longer that way. |
| 03:22.59 | Fo | hmm, wtf -> im logging off and putty session isnt closing |
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| 03:23.50 | eob84 | abrotman, the error is unable to mount root fs on unkown-block (0, 0) |
| 03:24.11 | abrotman | eob84: did you compile in your ide driver and your fs driver ? |
| 03:24.17 | abrotman | or compile at all |
| 03:24.21 | eob84 | yes |
| 03:24.37 | abrotman | eob84: that is usually why that error comes up |
| 03:24.46 | eob84 | I used the configuration in the kernel directory |
| 03:24.52 | eob84 | I am sorry |
| 03:24.53 | abrotman | eob84: root is /dev/hda1 ? |
| 03:24.58 | eob84 | boot directory |
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| 03:25.10 | eob84 | dev/hda3 |
| 03:25.24 | abrotman | from what i can tell .. (0,0) is hda1 |
| 03:25.28 | abrotman | i could be wrong ... |
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| 03:25.44 | eob84 | you sound right |
| 03:25.54 | abrotman | i sound funny too :) |
| 03:25.55 | eob84 | I don't know how to configure GRUB |
| 03:26.14 | abrotman | erm .. update-grub ? |
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| 03:26.37 | buhb0 | lol |
| 03:26.39 | kevin06 | I am having problems with my DVD+RW drive. It is an IDE internal drive, though housed in a drive case and connected externally via USB. The problem is that it SOMETIMES recognizes the drive, but usually doesn't. |
| 03:26.49 | eob84 | yes |
| 03:26.51 | eob84 | but... |
| 03:26.52 | buhb0 | is anyone yete |
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| 03:27.37 | eob84 | grub |
| 03:27.46 | eob84 | has it set to (0,2) |
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| 03:28.16 | abrotman | because /dev/ starts at 1 .. grub starts at 0 |
| 03:28.29 | abrotman | so hda1 is (0,0) in grub |
| 03:28.35 | eob84 | yea |
| 03:28.39 | eob84 | it is on hda3 |
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| 03:29.00 | abrotman | eob84: wait .. why are you compiling a kernel ? |
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| 03:29.06 | eob84 | silly reasons |
| 03:29.09 | Fo | ok, 5:30 AM, time to sleep |
| 03:29.11 | abrotman | oh .. good reason |
| 03:29.20 | EnterD | what is nvidia-kernel-source? |
| 03:29.21 | eob84 | I am trying to add Boot screen |
| 03:29.21 | muaddib | ethics: What do you think of this a ATI Radeon X300 SE 128MB DDR PCI Express for 49.00 bucks |
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| 03:29.31 | eob84 | and changed arch to p4 |
| 03:29.38 | abrotman | eob84: i'd start with a working config .. strip out stuff you don't want . when it stops working .. put it back :) |
| 03:29.39 | Guerin | ati are shit |
| 03:29.47 | eob84 | ha |
| 03:29.51 | eob84 | that is what I did |
| 03:29.58 | moshii | eob84: p4 makes no difference |
| 03:30.07 | eob84 | I used the config that came with OS |
| 03:30.15 | muaddib | Guerin: say again |
| 03:30.20 | Guerin | ati are shit |
| 03:30.25 | eob84 | I need to reboot |
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| 03:30.28 | shingouz | eob84: p4 is good if you have a p4 there. if you do not you may get screwed because of that |
| 03:30.40 | eob84 | I have a p4 |
| 03:30.40 | buhb0 | Allocated 16793600 bytes...trying mlock...failed: insufficient resources. |
| 03:30.50 | buhb0 | whats that mean when memtest says that |
| 03:31.00 | muaddib | Guerin: compared to matrox |
| 03:31.01 | yxa | if i get a new 2.4 kernel image for my testing right now, would it support posix acl or user_xattr? |
| 03:31.08 | muaddib | or just every video card |
| 03:31.20 | EnterD | What is nvidia-kernel-source? |
| 03:31.30 | Guerin | muaddib: compared to nvidia, who release working, if not free, drivers for real OSen |
| 03:31.47 | moshii | EnterD: a source package to build the modules for the nvidia binary drivers |
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| 03:32.12 | EnterD | moshii: What does this do? Does it install nvidia sata drivers etc.? |
| 03:32.39 | Guerin | i recently got around having to boither with nvidia's closed drivers by buying a vga -> tv adaptor |
| 03:33.08 | ethics | <muaddib> never tried ati cards .... some of the highend stuff is hot but i dont generally support ati as a company |
| 03:33.27 | muaddib | Guerin: and you got it to work |
| 03:33.42 | Guerin | muaddib: plugged it in, turned it on, works perfectly. |
| 03:33.42 | muaddib | ethics: Why don't you support by company have you heard of bad experiences |
| 03:33.49 | moshii | EnterD: I think it's only for the graphics drivers.. a bit of googling will probably tell you what you need to know |
| 03:34.00 | muaddib | Guerin: what model |
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| 03:34.06 | chealer | EnterD: it's easier to check the package description |
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| 03:34.22 | Guerin | muaddib: can't remember. They all work about the same - a no-config sort of device. |
| 03:35.28 | ethics | muaddib: when i worked for manufacturers we used to get nice deals on nvidia cards and ati just tried to hold their prices so we went nvidia on like 3000 PCs....no reason other than ive used alot of nvidia stuff and no ati stuff |
| 03:36.13 | ethics | muaddib: the better question would be whats the easiest to set up in linux/debian |
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| 03:36.45 | magyar | postfix vs exim? |
| 03:36.55 | ethics | muaddib: id say that what they got working previous would be a great place to start also with prices of sub $100 id say your able to get what ever brand you want off ebay... |
| 03:36.56 | simonrvn | tie match |
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| 03:37.45 | *** mode/#debian [-q *!*@resnet152-228.medford.tufts.edu] by dondelelcaro |
| 03:37.46 | ethics | anyone know if devs are compiling using gcc 3.3/3.4/4? |
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| 03:38.03 | magyar | for virtual domains and users? eaz of configuration? |
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| 03:38.08 | buhb0 | how can i tell whether i am connecting with ssh v.1 or v2 |
| 03:38.08 | dondelelcaro | Atula: I have removed the +q... if I (or another op) have to put it back on, it will stay for the standard duration. |
| 03:38.49 | countdigi | try ssh -v |
| 03:39.04 | magyar | debian comes with exim as default is there any better MTA's out there what would u suggest? |
| 03:39.10 | simonrvn | Ether_man: not a dev per se, but i'm using 3.4 after having encountered problems compiling some code with 3.3 |
| 03:39.12 | ethics | countdigi: havent looked at ssh 1 * ssh2 thye use same port 22? |
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| 03:39.14 | simonrvn | Ether_man: sorry |
| 03:39.20 | countdigi | yes, both 22 |
| 03:39.22 | simonrvn | ethics: not a dev per se, but i'm using 3.4 after having encountered problems compiling some code with 3.3 |
| 03:39.38 | scorphus | hi all =D |
| 03:39.43 | simonrvn | suggestion? disable v1 |
| 03:40.06 | Atula | hello everyone, hope things are going well. |
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| 03:40.52 | Atula | I'm glad to have voice back. Now I will go and dance with the wolves... gosh... so much papers to write! |
| 03:41.54 | budluva | how do i burn a .bin with k3b? do i have to convert it to .iso first? |
| 03:42.13 | moshii | budluva: you need a cue to go with it |
| 03:42.22 | budluva | hrmm no cue |
| 03:42.24 | budluva | just a bin |
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| 03:43.30 | roo9 | hi, is it possible to use linux to access drives that are larger than my motherboard can see? |
| 03:43.34 | humbolt | what is /dev/shm and /dev/shm/network and how can I create it if I do not have it? |
| 03:43.35 | moshii | budluva: you'd need a cue to make it into an iso.. have you tried mounting it? |
| 03:44.01 | EnterD | roo9: If you update your BIOS it will probably fix that problem |
| 03:44.16 | ethics | simonrvn: i was just about to look at recompiling openoffice with gcc4.....im hoping for a serious speedup |
| 03:45.14 | ethics | roo9: sort of....depends on what your looking for |
| 03:45.17 | roo9 | enterd: unless i'm missing something (http://www.abit-usa.com/products/mb/bios_revision.php?categories=1&model=89) it looks like the largest supported by this MB is 137GB |
| 03:45.36 | magyar | how do i setup sudo to ask for password when i do "sudo -s"? |
| 03:45.36 | roo9 | ethics: i have a 320GB non-boot hard drive. I would like to be able to use the entire capacity |
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| 03:46.55 | CroatianNinja | !passwd |
| 03:46.55 | dpkg | New password: |
| 03:47.05 | ethics | ROO9:sec im checking your board |
| 03:47.13 | roo9 | ethics: thanks |
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| 03:48.05 | ethics | roo9 you have onboard raid version of board? |
| 03:48.10 | CroatianNinja | !forgot password |
| 03:48.18 | roo9 | ethics: yes, these drives are not on the RAID |
| 03:48.19 | Guerin | !ifrp |
| 03:48.19 | dpkg | 1) 'linux init=/bin/sh' at a lilo boot prompt (hold Shift while booting to make one appear), 2) 'fsck' your root file system, 3) 'mount -o remount,rw /', 4) 'passwd root' 5) 'mount -o remount,ro /' 6) reboot -d -f (exec /sbin/init should work); For GRUB (e.g. sarge): in step 1, press 'e' to edit the kernel setting (add init=/bin/sh to the end of it), 'b' to boot. Steps 2-6 are the same. |
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| 03:48.25 | shingouz | CroatianNinja: root password? |
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| 03:48.43 | CroatianNinja | thanks |
| 03:48.50 | roo9 | ethics: i have hd{a,b,c}, all 320GB hard drives. the system boots off the HPTRaid. |
| 03:49.23 | roo9 | ethics: this page, http://www.abit-usa.com/faq/mb/check137gb.php, seems to say if i upgrade to the latest bios it will work. Any idea how to flash the bios in linux? |
| 03:49.32 | Twisted_Emotions | anyone know how to start wu-ftpd? |
| 03:49.43 | shingouz | Twisted_Emotions: yes |
| 03:49.44 | Guerin | Twisted_Emotions: man wu-ftpd does |
| 03:49.52 | Guerin | and so can you, if you read it |
| 03:49.53 | hilikusss | could you guys help me out here? http://www.broadbandreports.com/forum/remark,13277143 |
| 03:49.55 | ethics | roo9 just make a dos bootdisk.... |
| 03:50.19 | ethics | roo9: yeah your bios upgrade will solve your problem easier than a hackjob |
| 03:50.24 | Twisted_Emotions | shingouz and Guerin: Wow... thanks guys... |
| 03:50.26 | roo9 | ethics: and better too. |
| 03:50.39 | roo9 | ethics: fixing a problem > hacking around the problem |
| 03:50.41 | ethics | roo9: you have only linux boxen i assume |
| 03:50.50 | delegator | boxen |
| 03:50.53 | delegator | is that german |
| 03:50.55 | roo9 | ethics: i actually have some BSD boxen, and a Mac Laptop |
| 03:50.56 | delegator | :) |
| 03:51.04 | roo9 | delegator: it's actually peruvian |
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| 03:51.05 | delegator | yikes mac cauases fear in me |
| 03:51.13 | roo9 | delegator: have you ever used one? |
| 03:51.18 | delegator | anyone who pays for software not by gates kinda scares me |
| 03:51.23 | delegator | i wonder at the agenda |
| 03:51.29 | Twisted_Emotions | I run wu-ftpd and I does do anything no errors no nadda... and wont show any login deal with ftp..? |
| 03:51.30 | ethics | hmm kk well bootdisk.com will have a disk image....you just need to rawwrite the image to a floppy |
| 03:51.32 | delegator | yeah mac was hard to use |
| 03:51.39 | roo9 | ethics: thanks |
| 03:51.42 | delegator | windows button are at teh top even after window resize |
| 03:51.44 | delegator | yuck |
| 03:51.49 | delegator | 1 button mouse yuck |
| 03:51.55 | shingouz | Twisted_Emotions: ps -A | grep ftp |
| 03:52.14 | roo9 | ethics; nice site... |
| 03:52.22 | deadcat | Twisted_Emotions: use proftpd or vs-ftpd. |
| 03:52.25 | Twisted_Emotions | shingouz: That does what? |
| 03:52.26 | ethics | roo9: the flash proggy should be a very small dos program so a windows 98 se bootdisk or 6.22 disk should do.. |
| 03:52.41 | delegator | any of you boys use perl? |
| 03:52.41 | roo9 | ethics: the site actually has a "bios flash boot disk...." |
| 03:52.42 | shingouz | Twisted_Emotions: checks if the ftpd is actually running |
| 03:52.47 | delegator | for a website using a database? |
| 03:52.50 | deadcat | delegator: you can use any usb mouse on Mac and both button works |
| 03:52.52 | roo9 | delegator: the mac boy does |
| 03:52.58 | CroatianNinja | i cant ping anything but nothing esle seems broken |
| 03:53.02 | delegator | hmm |
| 03:53.04 | CroatianNinja | else |
| 03:53.07 | Twisted_Emotions | shingouz: Nothing... no error no nothing.. |
| 03:53.09 | delegator | debian is kinda slick |
| 03:53.14 | delegator | but why like 4 install cd |
| 03:53.17 | delegator | whats up with that |
| 03:53.23 | deadcat | most people map their second and middle button to F11 and F12 on a Mac |
| 03:53.23 | delegator | buggery |
| 03:53.25 | shingouz | Twisted_Emotions: gose to show that the ftpd is not running |
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| 03:53.32 | wolfpack | i can't get wget to download pdfs directly linked on the page passed to wget. |
| 03:53.34 | ethics | roo9: hehe makesure it has the same flasher as you need |
| 03:53.35 | delegator | I just want 1 cd to install |
| 03:53.36 | delegator | :) |
| 03:53.38 | peterS | delegator: are you referring to the different images on www.debian.org/devel/debian-installer/ ? |
| 03:53.45 | delegator | linuxiso |
| 03:53.52 | delegator | under debian has like 4 cd for i386 |
| 03:53.53 | ethics | roo9 you can always download off their site and overlay the one on the disk if its older |
| 03:53.56 | deadcat | sold an orinoco for $21 |
| 03:54.08 | peterS | delegator: you can pick any of those. the differences are in the size of the CD - the smaller ones are faster to download but then you pull more stuff off the net during and after the install itself |
| 03:54.19 | delegator | so dont need all 4? |
| 03:54.22 | delegator | oh ok |
| 03:54.24 | Twisted_Emotions | deadcat: have to use wu-ftpd because it's one of 2 ftp programs that allow for webmin access and proftp wont install for some gay reason |
| 03:54.29 | peterS | delegator: Debian 3.0 for i386 has I think like 7 CDs. so I'm not sure what you're talking about exactly |
| 03:54.37 | delegator | ok |
| 03:54.40 | deadcat | Twisted_Emotions: damn. |
| 03:54.42 | peterS | delegator: I suggest the 'netinst' CD from www.debian.org/devel/debian-installer/ |
| 03:54.43 | shingouz | webmin... /me shivers |
| 03:54.45 | delegator | goal: install linux using 1 cd |
| 03:54.48 | hilikusss | could you guys help me out here? http://www.broadbandreports.com/forum/remark,13277143 |
| 03:54.50 | delegator | can I do this with deb |
| 03:54.52 | delegator | ? |
| 03:55.02 | peterS | delegator: that one is like 110 MB and installs the base system but then you pull any additional stuff off the net later |
| 03:55.07 | Guerin | !d-i delegator |
| 03:55.08 | dpkg | delegator, you want to go to http://www.debian.org/devel/debian-installer/ - for your own good, and everyone else's. |
| 03:55.22 | delegator | ok sexy bus |
| 03:55.25 | delegator | im there |
| 03:55.27 | delegator | big boy |
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| 03:55.45 | tboy | does debian include the xorg? |
| 03:55.46 | peterS | cantik: don't /msg please |
| 03:55.51 | deadcat | tboy: no |
| 03:55.52 | peterS | tboy: no |
| 03:55.57 | shingouz | tboy: /topic |
| 03:55.57 | DrD | is there any body who has the ipw2200 card working with Debian ?? |
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| 03:56.06 | deadcat | DrD: apt-get install ipw2200 |
| 03:56.17 | magyar | which pop server comes as a default with debian? |
| 03:56.21 | deadcat | DrD: apt-cache search it |
| 03:56.24 | simonrvn | none |
| 03:56.30 | deadcat | magyar: none. install it yourself. |
| 03:56.35 | peterS | magyar: no default. they're pretty much all available. |
| 03:56.38 | delegator | linux ah linux |
| 03:56.42 | delegator | I love linux |
| 03:56.46 | delegator | its sexy |
| 03:56.50 | DrD | deadcat: yup I got that already, just want to make sure whether I need to change settings onto the kernel |
| 03:57.04 | magyar | deadcat: which one would u suggest? |
| 03:57.09 | maher | hilikusss: is perl really in local? |
| 03:57.11 | deadcat | DrD: if its isntall. load the module. i MIGHT need firmware for it or something. not sure. |
| 03:57.22 | deadcat | magyar: no clue. i dont use pop/imap. |
| 03:57.25 | ethics | delegator: you know you can get USB devices for when you feel like that about your computers |
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| 03:57.46 | magyar | anyone , which pop server would u suggest? |
| 03:58.05 | deadcat | magyar: apt-cache search pop and pick one |
| 03:58.11 | hilikusss | maher where should it be |
| 03:58.12 | dondelelcaro | magyar: probably dovecot, but stop using 'u' |
| 03:58.15 | simonrvn | magyar: courier at least, or dovecot. cyrus isn't newbie friendly (it does rock) |
| 03:58.18 | ethics | pagyar: shrug one that gives me the mail ...not a rocket sscience process |
| 03:58.19 | maher | hilikusss: which perl will tell you |
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| 03:58.41 | magyar | thx guys |
| 03:58.56 | magyar | what about qpopper? |
| 03:59.03 | hilikusss | 5.6.1 |
| 03:59.10 | PabloEscobar | i can't get wget to download pdfs directly linked on the page passed to wget. or rars. What is the switch? |
| 03:59.13 | dondelelcaro | magyar: there are a few dozen of them. use whatever one you want. |
| 03:59.26 | dondelelcaro | PabloEscobar: you need to use one of the recursion options. |
| 03:59.37 | ethics | roo9: be sure to grab the flasher off the abit site: its an older flasher which is a 512K bios.....the new one will possibly make your board unbootable |
| 03:59.44 | dondelelcaro | PabloEscobar: like wget -r -l 1 -A pdf http://www.example.com |
| 03:59.52 | maher | hilikusss: which is a command that tells you th epath name |
| 03:59.52 | dondelelcaro | (probably with -nH and -nd) |
| 03:59.59 | hilikusss | whereis |
| 04:00.14 | PabloEscobar | what's -A? |
| 04:00.23 | dondelelcaro | PabloEscobar: man wget; |
| 04:00.38 | hilikusss | perl: /usr/bin/perl /usr/lib/perl /usr/local/lib/perl /usr/share/perl /usr/share/man/man1/perl.1.gz |
| 04:00.54 | maher | hilikusss: try /usr/bin/perl |
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| 04:01.17 | maher | hilikusss: which is what you get if you just type "which perl" |
| 04:01.21 | CroatianNinja | if i cant ping anything and my network is setup, what might be wrong? |
| 04:01.32 | dondelelcaro | CroatianNinja: your network is set up wrongly. |
| 04:01.32 | PabloEscobar | dondelelcaro, how do i specify multiple extensions? comma? |
| 04:01.32 | shingouz | the cable? |
| 04:01.35 | adjacent | CroatianNinja: network cable is unplugged |
| 04:01.59 | CroatianNinja | adjacent, im on the internet |
| 04:02.00 | dondelelcaro | PabloEscobar: the manpage is quite explicit: "Specify comma-separated lists of file name suffixes or patterns to accept or reject (@pxref{Types of Files} for more details)." |
| 04:02.18 | adjacent | ping 127.0.0.1 |
| 04:02.18 | ethics | CroatianNinja: umm 2 cards? |
| 04:02.28 | adjacent | then ping google.com |
| 04:02.40 | adjacent | if the second doesnt work, maybe icmp is filtered |
| 04:02.41 | DrD | if I want to upgrade to the 2.6.10 (current one is 2.6.8) can I get the kernel from kernel.org and configure it ? |
| 04:02.49 | CroatianNinja | i can ping myself but not google.com |
| 04:02.53 | CroatianNinja | but i can goto google |
| 04:02.59 | adjacent | tracert to a host, and ping down the line till you find out whats filtering icmp |
| 04:03.00 | dondelelcaro | DrD: sure. |
| 04:03.05 | freet15 | mii-tools |
| 04:03.05 | bykte | CroatianNinja, maybe u have dns problems |
| 04:03.05 | ethics | CroatianNinja: you have a proxy setup?... |
| 04:03.17 | CroatianNinja | no |
| 04:03.22 | CroatianNinja | i shouldn't |
| 04:03.26 | adjacent | not DNS. |
| 04:03.28 | hilikusss | thanks |
| 04:03.34 | hilikusss | maher |
| 04:03.46 | roo9 | ethics: it says i only need that for files released before 8-2001... |
| 04:04.01 | chealer | DrD: are you sure getting sid's 2.6.11 stock kernels wouldn't be easier? |
| 04:04.35 | CroatianNinja | it can resolve google.com but it doesn't send any packets |
| 04:04.39 | ethics | roo9: cool im not paying much attention to the dates etc but make sure you read the warnings etc...ive killed boards on bios flashing many a time....one of the reasons i have a programmer here hehe |
| 04:04.49 | ethics | roo9: xboxes the other reason |
| 04:05.02 | DrD | chealer: what do you mean ? |
| 04:05.03 | PabloEscobar | didn't work |
| 04:05.19 | PabloEscobar | <PROTECTED> |
| 04:05.20 | ethics | CroatianNinja: ping 203.8.183.1 get responses? |
| 04:05.24 | chealer | DrD: are you using a stock kernel? |
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| 04:05.43 | roo9 | ethics: very nice... where are you located, if i fry this, i'm coming to your house... :-P |
| 04:06.06 | DrD | chealer: ya so far, I want to recompile a kernel in order to add features needed for my wireless card to function, so while at it, I thought why not upgrade to the 2.6.10 or 11 |
| 04:06.14 | roo9 | ethics: well, blah, i'm not going to fly all the way there |
| 04:06.16 | ethics | roo9: oz |
| 04:06.47 | chealer | DrD: ok, well there's also the 2.6.11 source in sid |
| 04:07.06 | ethics | !tap tap tap:....is this thing on? |
| 04:07.09 | DrD | chealer: sid is ? |
| 04:07.16 | ethics | bah laggg |
| 04:07.25 | roo9 | ethics: all of the boot disk images i can find are wrapped in EXE files, (to automatically rawrite?), any pointers to some unencumbered ones? |
| 04:07.28 | shingouz | ethics: nope, youre offline |
| 04:08.36 | ethics | ANYONE: dos/windows bootdisk createable from a linux boxen? locations anyone...bootdisk.com. has self extracting only |
| 04:08.58 | dondelelcaro | ethics: if you've got a disk image, yes. Otherwise, may be possible using freedos |
| 04:09.06 | shingouz | ethics: rename to zip, unzip and dd |
| 04:09.12 | bykte | the tx in ifconfig shows the total upload for the day? or since it's booted up? |
| 04:09.41 | chealer | !tell DrD about releases |
| 04:09.44 | deadcat | i am low on cash. have to sell my orinoco cards. )= |
| 04:09.52 | dondelelcaro | bykte: it shows the total since the last time it rolled over or was reset. |
| 04:09.53 | ethics | shingouz: winimage wraps it up with it's own rawwriter....it's not a zip self extractor |
| 04:10.20 | dondelelcaro | deadcat: you say that like you've got a whole bunch of them |
| 04:10.33 | ethics | roo9: does it work in wine? |
| 04:10.38 | DrD | chealer: oh Q: can I use the current config file that I have and update it with new settings and build it with the new kernel ??? |
| 04:10.41 | adjacent | deadcat: why not rent them? |
| 04:10.41 | ethics | roo9 : just an idea |
| 04:10.53 | deadcat | dondelelcaro: i had 4. sold 1 for $21 today |
| 04:11.02 | deadcat | adjacent: rent ? (= |
| 04:11.05 | bykte | dondelelcaro, what you mean by rolled over? |
| 04:11.13 | roo9 | ethics: no |
| 04:11.17 | adjacent | deadcat: yeh. then you get to keep them AND make money |
| 04:11.19 | liable | ethics: you are suggesting flashing your bios through wine? |
| 04:11.20 | deadcat | bykte: as in roll over and bark like a dog. |
| 04:11.26 | chealer | DrD: I don't know |
| 04:11.41 | bykte | deadcat, stfu before you turns dead cat meat...(joking) |
| 04:11.42 | deadcat | adjacent: nah. i want to get rid of them. i only need 1. they are all gold now. heheh |
| 04:11.43 | adjacent | and can set absurd damage clauses in the contract. "$500 if this is broken or unreturned" |
| 04:11.49 | deadcat | bykte: heheh.. doh doh doh |
| 04:12.00 | ethics | <liable>: lol no just creatiG the bootdisk for it |
| 04:12.09 | ethics | <liable>: do i look insane? |
| 04:12.43 | deadcat | dondelelcaro: i will kill for an airport... i will kill you for your airport (= |
| 04:12.44 | liable | ethics: phew, that had me worried you were insane |
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| 04:13.21 | DrD | Q: can I use the current config file that I have (for kernel 2.6.8) and update it with new settings I want and then build it with the new kernel (2.6.11) ??? |
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| 04:13.41 | encrypt | if i have a laptop with an onboard wireless card.. is it possible to attach an antenna or do i have to buy a pcmcia wireless card? |
| 04:13.43 | deadcat | DrD: cp /boot/config-`uname -r` /usr/src/linux/.config |
| 04:13.44 | Twisted_Emotions | apt-get upgrade updates apt-get itself? |
| 04:13.46 | ethics | <liable>: roo9 needs a bootdisk with dos/win9X so he can fire off his bios flash...buggered if i can find just a nice IMG file or anything hehe |
| 04:14.06 | deadcat | Twisted_Emotions: if theres a newer version yes. |
| 04:14.11 | roo9 | liable: the google has abandoned me..... no unencumbered boot disks |
| 04:14.12 | DrD | deadcat: I mean practically, its possible ? |
| 04:14.12 | Twisted_Emotions | deadcat: kk |
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| 04:14.28 | deadcat | encrypt: buy my orinoco cards. it has external capability |
| 04:14.46 | encrypt | so i have to buy a card |
| 04:14.51 | deadcat | DrD: ya. most people do that for a new kernel. usually they make oldconfig but i dont even do that. |
| 04:15.06 | deadcat | encrypt: ya. if its internal. you gonna cut open the laptop? |
| 04:15.22 | deadcat | encrypt: you live around teh bay area? i have few orinoco gold to sell. |
| 04:15.32 | DrD | deadcat: oh cool, thanks. I wil ltry it out |
| 04:15.32 | encrypt | i live in brazil sorry :( |
| 04:15.39 | ethics | encrypt: what brand laptop? |
| 04:15.40 | deadcat | )= |
| 04:15.48 | encrypt | brand? |
| 04:15.54 | DrD | deadcat: how much ? |
| 04:15.58 | deadcat | encrypt: orinoco |
| 04:16.06 | Twisted_Emotions | deadcat: If you installed debian on my home computer how long do u think it would take? Only reason why I dont want to do myself is because I want to setup as a dualboot system.. |
| 04:16.08 | deadcat | DrD: $25 |
| 04:16.15 | ethics | <encrypt> : is there a sticker on it from compaq,dell, ibm, some clone coMpany? |
| 04:16.15 | DrD | deadcat: PCMCIA ? |
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| 04:16.22 | encrypt | its HP |
| 04:16.27 | delegator | windows xp vs debian |
| 04:16.33 | deadcat | Twisted_Emotions: under 15 for install. config then add 15-30 maybe |
| 04:16.36 | deadcat | DrD: ya |
| 04:16.37 | delegator | main problem with debian is vidgames as far as I see |
| 04:16.40 | DrD | deadcat: can I private msg you ? |
| 04:16.42 | roo9 | ethics: FreeDOS ? |
| 04:16.44 | deadcat | DrD: sure. |
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| 04:16.57 | delegator | everything else doesnt suck |
| 04:17.06 | debian | delegator: is that a problem at all? :) |
| 04:17.06 | ethics | encrypt: omnibooks are a pain with their onboard wireless....external card easier than modding internal |
| 04:17.07 | encrypt | this http://64.233.161.104/search?q=cache:rZ6Hnw5OjsYJ:www.futureusa.com/hppazvamdatx.html+zv5242qv&hl=en |
| 04:17.21 | delegator | I am downloading a debian installer cd now |
| 04:17.24 | nathan__ | hello, anyone experienced any graphics corruption (lines across the display) with ATI Radeon cards at resolutions above 800x600 in X? |
| 04:17.25 | delegator | I have slackware |
| 04:17.29 | delegator | and gobolinux 11 |
| 04:17.30 | roo9 | ethics: i also seem to have no floppy disks.... I actually have a stack of 5 1/2 Disks.. but not a single 3.25.... I'm really not kidding |
| 04:17.33 | encrypt | thanks ethics |
| 04:17.34 | deadcat | DrD: sorry. i only do logo. else i would sell on ebay. |
| 04:17.34 | delegator | and freebsd |
| 04:17.39 | delegator | I have massive power! |
| 04:17.43 | Twisted_Emotions | deadcat: Do u have full system on CD's on something? Just updating from woody to sarge will take like 30 minutes to download.. |
| 04:17.45 | deadcat | ^logo^local |
| 04:18.00 | ethics | delegator: thats a game developer issue not linux issue.....if they wrote the games for linus they would work faster than XP.....see xbox for comparisons to xp |
| 04:18.05 | DrD | deadcat: thats what I thought |
| 04:18.07 | deadcat | Twisted_Emotions: not if you have fast connection. no i dont have debian cds. only off the net. |
| 04:18.15 | encrypt | can you point me to a site that i can buy a good wireless card + great antenna? |
| 04:18.22 | Twisted_Emotions | deadcat: 3Mbit connection |
| 04:18.25 | deadcat | encrypt: ebay |
| 04:18.33 | adjacent | encrypt: one sec |
| 04:18.33 | encrypt | im new into this, i just want to have a large range |
| 04:18.35 | deadcat | Twisted_Emotions: thats fast? |
| 04:18.51 | Twisted_Emotions | deadcat: I dont know.. what do u mean by fast? |
| 04:18.51 | deadcat | encrypt: you want #wireless |
| 04:18.57 | encrypt | sorry |
| 04:19.09 | adjacent | encrypt: http://www.radiolabs.com/products/antennas/2.4gig/trucker-wifi-antenna.php |
| 04:19.14 | deadcat | Twisted_Emotions: nevermind. dsl to upgrade is ok for me since i dont have gnome/kde shits |
| 04:19.25 | encrypt | thank you adjacent! |
| 04:19.38 | adjacent | =) it was somehwat sarcastic. please dont use that thing |
| 04:19.40 | liable | roo9: http://www.nenie.org/misc/flashbootcd.html dunno if its what you're after |
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| 04:19.55 | nathan__ | this is really stumping me, i have a radeon 9200LE that gives graphics corruption (horizontal lines in the display) in X, but works flawlessly in Windows XP, any ideas? |
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| 04:20.13 | roo9 | liable: yeah, i saw that, thanks |
| 04:20.23 | k-man_ | anyone here use wajig? |
| 04:20.29 | k-man_ | it seems pretty cool to me |
| 04:20.33 | Twisted_Emotions | deadcat: U only run command line? No GUI? |
| 04:20.35 | k-man_ | is that the general opinion? |
| 04:20.35 | DrD | deadcat: ok so afterward you do a menuconfig, then make BzImage ? |
| 04:20.47 | deadcat | Twisted_Emotions: i run openbox3 like most people here |
| 04:20.57 | Phated | Most people? |
| 04:20.59 | deadcat | DrD: no. you make-kpkg the debian way |
| 04:21.04 | deadcat | Phated: (= you know it. |
| 04:21.08 | Phated | deadcat: :) |
| 04:21.39 | DrD | deadcat: hm I never compile it on Debian yet, can you give me a quick idea how its done ? |
| 04:22.00 | nathan__ | if i dont plan on doing any gaming on my linux box should i worry about the speed differences between my old nvidia gf2 mx400 and my newer ATI Radeon 9200LE? i cant for the life of me to get my Radeon 9200 to work properly in X |
| 04:22.04 | Phated | Install kernel-package, man make-kpkg. |
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| 04:22.57 | scarynetworkguy | !tell DrD about k-p |
| 04:22.57 | deadcat | DrD: make-kpkg --append-to-version +`hostname`+date+whatever kernel-image kernel-header ... this way you get a .deb kernel. |
| 04:23.00 | scarynetworkguy | But yeah. What Phated said. |
| 04:23.17 | DrD | then you do a dpkg -i the .deb ? |
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| 04:23.25 | deadcat | DrD: you got it. |
| 04:23.32 | Twisted_Emotions | What's the difference between Openbox and Xserver? |
| 04:24.02 | DrD | deadcat: that is a different way of doing it than other distros |
| 04:24.14 | shingouz | nathan__: unless you need 3d the "slower" card should nto matter too much |
| 04:24.28 | bob2 | Twisted_Emotions: what's the difference between you and a bread box? |
| 04:24.34 | manzar | Hi guys! Installed enlightement thru synaptic but it does not show in the login page and I have forgot how to add it there, the config file etc. I appreciate any help. |
| 04:24.44 | Twisted_Emotions | bob2: The bread. DUHHHHHHH! |
| 04:24.55 | deadcat | DrD: no clue. i only do it the debian way. |
| 04:25.21 | delegator | why dont they change the name to stallman linux |
| 04:25.21 | deadcat | manzar: you using and display manager? |
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| 04:25.35 | bob2 | delegator: becayse that would be stupid |
| 04:25.38 | deadcat | delegator: because hes not worthy |
| 04:25.45 | DrD | deadcat: ok since this is my very first time, if I tell you the kernel is 2.6.11-7, it will look like : make-dpkg --2.6.11-7Hostname kernel-image kernel-header ? |
| 04:25.49 | delegator | ? |
| 04:25.56 | delegator | i thought stallman made gnu |
| 04:25.58 | bob2 | Twisted_Emotions: the X server is in charge of displaying stuff to the screen in general. openbox is a window manager, which just manages windows (gives them borders, etc) |
| 04:26.02 | manzar | deadcat, it is gdm |
| 04:26.20 | deadcat | manzar: /etc/gdm/ theres a dir called session or what ever. look into it |
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| 04:26.56 | deadcat | bob2: did you read the link i pasted here about sleeping a g4 ibook? |
| 04:26.57 | Twisted_Emotions | bob2: So do you need Xserver to run openbox or is it standalone? |
| 04:27.02 | manzar | deadcat, thanks i am going to look there |
| 04:28.09 | bob2 | deadcat: no, but apparently it works out of the box on ubuntu now |
| 04:28.10 | bob2 | Twisted_Emotions: yes, you need an X server |
| 04:28.10 | bob2 | Twisted_Emotions: it doesn't have to be on the same machine, tho |
| 04:28.10 | Twisted_Emotions | bob2: kk |
| 04:28.10 | deadcat | bob2: say it aint so! |
| 04:28.10 | scarynetworkguy | Twisted_Emotions: http://www.xfree86.org/ |
| 04:28.30 | deadcat | bob2: i dont know why the g4 has so much problem. my g3 ibook sleeps like a bitch without doing anything special. |
| 04:28.47 | bob2 | deadcat: g4 ibook has a new video card and a new chipset |
| 04:28.55 | deadcat | bob2: ah. |
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| 04:29.12 | scarynetworkguy | deadcat: Yes but the tradeoff is that shit brown that eats the human soul. |
| 04:29.17 | DrD | guys, any one recommends a good link on how to compile a kernel under Debian ? |
| 04:29.34 | deadcat | bob2: so you gonna try vga with xorg as well? assuming you have ubuntu now |
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| 04:29.45 | scarynetworkguy | DrD: /usr/share/doc/kernel-package/README.gz |
| 04:29.59 | bob2 | deadcat: that works too |
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| 04:30.06 | deadcat | bob2: damn. |
| 04:30.20 | deadcat | bob2: no need to reboot eh? |
| 04:30.51 | bob2 | don't think so |
| 04:31.12 | bob2 | my ibook is back home, I'm in sydney with my x40 |
| 04:31.17 | deadcat | bob2: i guess everything works except the extreme card then. cant wait for xorg in debian |
| 04:31.25 | karsten | bob2: Stinkpad? |
| 04:31.27 | deadcat | bob2: ah |
| 04:31.28 | DrD | scarynetworkguy: thx |
| 04:31.37 | bob2 | karsten: indeedy |
| 04:31.40 | bob2 | karsten: best. laptop. ever. |
| 04:31.58 | karsten | bob2: Got wireless and suspend working? |
| 04:32.01 | deadcat | karsten: this year i go to linuxworldexpo with "neverland ranch security guard" as my job title. (= |
| 04:32.06 | karsten | bob2: ...that's what I've heard. I'm trying to sell a friend on one. |
| 04:32.24 | bob2 | karsten: wireless and suspend work |
| 04:32.24 | manzar | deadcat, there is a few executable files in /etc/gdm and 1 or 2 config file but that is it, no sign of enlightement (winamae and fluxbox are there tho) |
| 04:32.24 | deadcat | karsten: ya. wireless and sleep works on the x40 |
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| 04:32.27 | karsten | deadcat: What's the difference between plastic shopping bags and Michael Jackson? |
| 04:32.37 | deadcat | karsten: whats that? |
| 04:32.38 | karsten | bob2: Setup page? |
| 04:32.39 | bob2 | that's suspend to disk and ram |
| 04:32.50 | karsten | deadcat: One's made of plastic and is dangerous for children. |
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| 04:32.57 | karsten | deadcat: ...the other is used to cary groceries. |
| 04:33.02 | Jargon_ | hello |
| 04:33.05 | deadcat | manzar: /etc/gdm/Sessions/E <-- create this and 755 on it. |
| 04:33.12 | deadcat | karsten: hahahah. |
| 04:33.15 | manzar | good, thx |
| 04:33.28 | Jargon_ | where can i get a crack for debian GNU/LUNIX |
| 04:33.38 | bob2 | Jargon_: come on |
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| 04:33.42 | deadcat | Jargon_: astalavista.box.sk |
| 04:33.44 | bob2 | Jargon_: that's the stupidest troll, ever |
| 04:33.45 | shingouz | www.riaa.com ? |
| 04:34.03 | Jargon_ | why are you guys always so mean |
| 04:34.07 | karsten | Jargon_: Behind you. |
| 04:34.15 | shingouz | us? mean? |
| 04:34.20 | Jargon_ | i'm new to lunix hacking, i need a crack to setup my hax0r database |
| 04:34.30 | DrD | if they were so mean, there would not be this chanel |
| 04:34.30 | deadcat | kick him |
| 04:34.44 | DrD | also, I would not have learned Debian in 73 hours !!! |
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| 04:34.51 | dondelelcaro | deadcat: I think its kicking itself... |
| 04:35.00 | deadcat | (= |
| 04:35.15 | karsten | Jargon_: rm -rf / |
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| 04:35.26 | peterS | spelling it 'lunix' is kind of like pronouncing it 'lie-nux' |
| 04:35.41 | dondelelcaro | looooneeeeix |
| 04:35.41 | karsten | peterS: It's even *more* like pronouncing it "loo-nix" |
| 04:35.44 | DrD | karsten: rm -rf /* ** reboot would work too ? |
| 04:35.52 | DrD | ** = && |
| 04:35.55 | deadcat | leanix |
| 04:36.00 | manzar | deadcat, I don |
| 04:36.03 | karsten | DrD: Nope. Reboot would be gone. |
| 04:36.09 | deadcat | manzar: ? |
| 04:36.10 | peterS | rm -rf is so old hat. why can't anyone ever say rm -fr? it would at least add a little bit of variety to a dull troll |
| 04:36.14 | manzar | deadcat, I don't see where E is to put it in that file |
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| 04:36.25 | manzar | it is not i /usr/bin |
| 04:36.28 | ethics | roo9: ya there matey?? |
| 04:36.29 | karsten | DrD: Reboot's a system command. Your rm -rf / would have nuked it before the shell exec'd it. |
| 04:36.45 | deadcat | manzar: you cearte that file yourself. then chmod 755 on the file. |
| 04:36.50 | DrD | karten: I never tried it to see the sequence |
| 04:36.55 | arestheimpaler | anyone having problems updating the package libwxgtk2.4-python in unstable? |
| 04:37.01 | manzar | that is know but in there i have to give the path to E |
| 04:37.05 | manzar | dont i? |
| 04:37.12 | manzar | like the one i have for fluxbox |
| 04:37.13 | deadcat | manzar: whereis e |
| 04:37.27 | manzar | nothing |
| 04:37.27 | ethics | roo9: heres a zip file with a 98 img.........http://1gighost.net/randyboy/win98sc.zip |
| 04:37.34 | shingouz | how should that command be done then? make a ramdisk and cp the reboot there before the rm -rf? |
| 04:37.52 | manzar | i wonder if synaptic has actually installed it ;) |
| 04:38.09 | peterS | shingouz: yeah but you have to exclude the ramdisk from the rm command |
| 04:38.13 | karsten | DrD: I've found myself on an empty filesystem once or twice.... |
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| 04:38.38 | karsten | DrD: Your shell builtins work. Nothing else does. |
| 04:38.40 | peterS | shingouz: what you'd probably do is write a C program to accomplish both the unlink()s and the reboot() |
| 04:38.49 | shingouz | peterS: hmm.. true. not going to try the command though ;) |
| 04:38.53 | karsten | DrD: ...can't even mount filesystems if you want to, say, load something from floppy. |
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| 04:39.11 | DrD | karsten: the OS will still be up ?? |
| 04:39.15 | peterS | shingouz: alternatively, set up a chroot environment, chroot into it, then do the rm -fr / from there. then exit that shell and run reboot. |
| 04:39.18 | digibox | Is there a debian install that is not as bulky as the CD installs? I find that there are so many packages I dont need or dont think I need on a basic cd install |
| 04:39.19 | karsten | DrD: Sure. Kernel's in RAM. |
| 04:39.25 | peterS | shingouz: the reboot command won't have been touched because you only removed what's in the chroot |
| 04:39.34 | shingouz | hehe.. |
| 04:39.37 | dondelelcaro | digibox: you only need to install the packages that you want to install. |
| 04:39.39 | karsten | digibox: You can run a minimal install in ~150 MB. |
| 04:39.43 | deadcat | digibox: install debian. just dont select any of those desktop shit. then use apt-get to isntall |
| 04:40.06 | ethics | digibox: net-installer |
| 04:40.10 | dondelelcaro | digibox: don't use the tasksel, and select the exact packages that you want. Hell, you can even forgo the installer and use the command prompt and debootstrap to install exactly what you want. |
| 04:40.21 | DrD | karsten |
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| 04:40.32 | karsten | digibox: What deadcat said. You don't _have_ to install anything other than base when you install the OS. What you choose to install is your own issue. I've got a recovery system installed that weighs in at ~150 MB or so. |
| 04:40.33 | DrD | karsten: have you used GDB b4 ? |
| 04:40.47 | karsten | DrD: Not that I'm aware. |
| 04:40.55 | digibox | Well I mean on just a basic CD install and not even useing tasksel or dselect I get crap like lynx, mutt, and other stuff I dont want |
| 04:40.56 | karsten | dondelelcaro: What's your poison? |
| 04:41.08 | karsten | digibox: Then remove them. |
| 04:41.14 | simonrvn | bare metal "install" ;p |
| 04:41.22 | chin1 | which device driver file points to the ethernet cards ? |
| 04:41.31 | deadcat | chin1: ethX ? |
| 04:41.33 | simonrvn | depends what driver |
| 04:41.36 | dondelelcaro | karsten: give me a command prompt, a working deboostrap, an editor that doesn't suck, and fdisk, and I'll be happy. |
| 04:41.41 | karsten | digibox: you can remove all but "required" packages. If you want lighter than that, then Debian's not your pick, though you can use it to create bootdisks and OS images. |
| 04:41.44 | simonrvn | w00t |
| 04:41.47 | digibox | I just want to know if there is an image that doesnt install anything other then the bare min of debian distro |
| 04:41.54 | chin1 | deadcat: i dont seem to have thouse |
| 04:42.03 | karsten | dondelelcaro: /msg dpkg debian chroot install and look at who wrote it. |
| 04:42.15 | Essobi | mmm. |
| 04:42.16 | deadcat | karsten: i wrote it. |
| 04:42.18 | Essobi | Crap. |
| 04:42.33 | simonrvn | !factinfo debian chroot install |
| 04:42.33 | dpkg | simonrvn: there's no such factoid as debian chroot install |
| 04:42.36 | Essobi | I screwed up my pts some how and can login via SSH no. :| |
| 04:42.39 | Essobi | Now even. |
| 04:42.41 | simonrvn | !factinfo debian chroot |
| 04:42.41 | dpkg | simonrvn: there's no such factoid as debian chroot |
| 04:42.48 | simonrvn | -_- |
| 04:42.57 | karsten | digibox: debootstrap or the standard installer can give you a pretty light system. If that's not light enough for you, write your own or go elsewhere. |
| 04:43.06 | arestheimpaler | anyone having problems updating the package libwxgtk2.4-python in unstable? |
| 04:43.17 | deadcat | karsten: woody is 89MB base |
| 04:43.17 | Essobi | lol |
| 04:43.20 | dondelelcaro | at least debootstrap beats mucking around with base.tar.gz... I remember transitioning boxes to debian using loads of mv and base.tar.gz |
| 04:43.28 | simonrvn | !factinfo chroot install |
| 04:43.28 | dpkg | chroot install -- created by karsten <karsten@host-66-81-219-183.rev.o1.com> at Sun Jun 29 01:52:14 2003 (669 days); it has been requested 128 times, last by simonrvn, 12s ago. |
| 04:43.48 | digibox | debootstrap? |
| 04:43.49 | simonrvn | debootstrap is nice |
| 04:43.55 | karsten | dondelelcaro: Heh. I've split base2_2.tgz and floppied it to boxes. 15 loads... |
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| 04:44.07 | karsten | !tell digibox about debootstrap |
| 04:44.30 | dondelelcaro | digibox: any install method can give you a minimal install if you know what you're doing. It's fairly trivial, frankly. |
| 04:44.31 | karsten | deadcat: I wrote the chroot install docs (well, first version) now in the Debian Install Manual. |
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| 04:45.00 | karsten | deadcat: My version is on the TWiki page reference. |
| 04:45.19 | deadcat | karsten: cool. when did you write that? |
| 04:45.44 | karsten | deadcat: Dunno, read the copyright ;-) |
| 04:45.48 | deadcat | hehe |
| 04:46.02 | peaceyall | hmm which is better tiger or panther |
| 04:46.11 | karsten | deadcat: It's based on my install notes from ~1999/2000.' |
| 04:46.12 | simonrvn | wrong channel |
| 04:46.13 | DrD | karsten: can I msg you privetely ? |
| 04:46.14 | dondelelcaro | peaceyall: uh, you want #osx or something |
| 04:46.14 | deadcat | peaceyall: bobcat |
| 04:46.20 | peaceyall | oh sht |
| 04:46.24 | roo9 | ethics: finally, http://www.lsc-group.phys.uwm.edu/beowulf/medusa/design/bios_settings.html |
| 04:46.24 | peaceyall | sorry wrong channel lol |
| 04:46.32 | karsten | deadcat: Inspired by VA's old sysadmin. Damn, what's his name... |
| 04:46.36 | karsten | DrD: Shoot. |
| 04:46.42 | deadcat | karsten: hhehe. |
| 04:46.53 | deadcat | karsten: you used to work for VA too? |
| 04:47.01 | digibox | oh would anyone happen to know what the min requirements ram wise would be needed to run as a time server and apt-proxy server? |
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| 04:47.10 | karsten | deadcat: No, hung out there a bit, knew him through SVLUG. |
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| 04:47.17 | peterS | digibox: I'm guessing 16 MB or so |
| 04:47.19 | roo9 | digibox: 16MB perhaps? |
| 04:47.19 | deadcat | karsten: ah. |
| 04:47.27 | roo9 | PETERS!!! |
| 04:47.41 | digibox | ok. thanks. I was hopeing it wouldnt be alot |
| 04:47.47 | peterS | uh. hi. |
| 04:48.12 | deadcat | karsten: tony was at the meeting last sat. you know him? i think he used to work at VA as well. but he doesnt use screen(1) though. |
| 04:48.12 | digibox | also would 200mhz be enough? |
| 04:48.26 | roo9 | peters: stop reading my mind.... |
| 04:48.35 | shingouz | digibox: how many users? |
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| 04:48.42 | peterS | fine, fine, I suppose you could do it in 14 MB |
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| 04:49.17 | digibox | well I am the only user but possibly many servers |
| 04:49.23 | karsten | deadcat: I haven't been to one in a few years. Too far north. |
| 04:50.09 | digibox | dont think it would be too much though considering I would be useing the apt-proxy only one server at a time |
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| 04:50.15 | lilcox | how do i add a new user? |
| 04:50.23 | deadcat | karsten: ya. i am thinking about not going as well. kinna far (hour and 30min i think) and GAS )= |
| 04:50.28 | deadcat | lilcox: useradd |
| 04:50.29 | digibox | lilcox, adduser |
| 04:50.48 | karsten | deadcat: Gas sucks. |
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| 04:51.06 | deadcat | ya. almost $3 dammit |
| 04:51.07 | digibox | nasm!!!!! |
| 04:51.11 | karsten | deadcat: I'm filling up ~ 1/6wks. Being a deadbeat has its advantages. |
| 04:51.14 | peterS | digibox: hehe |
| 04:51.38 | deadcat | karsten: hehe. and i am unemployed. |
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| 04:53.39 | rectum | i hart irssi |
| 04:53.45 | deadcat | rectum: shutup |
| 04:53.54 | rectum | how does a rectum do that? |
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| 04:54.02 | dondelelcaro | rectum: with a sphincter, of course. |
| 04:54.07 | rectum | I haven't got one |
| 04:54.16 | dondelelcaro | rectum: well, then you need a colostomy. |
| 04:54.17 | rectum | i gave it away to the poor kids |
| 04:54.38 | peterS | you used to have some sphincters but you rectum? |
| 04:54.49 | karsten | deadcat: Looks like my first draft of the chroot install docs was Oct 1999: http://linuxmafia.com/faq/Debian/install-under-chroot.html |
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| 04:55.19 | deadcat | karsten: damn. thats way back. |
| 04:55.24 | roo9 | f~ethics: i'm about ready to flash this computer in wine |
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| 04:55.41 | peterS | um. ow? |
| 04:55.49 | dondelelcaro | peterS: no more bad jokes for you. |
| 04:56.12 | roo9 | but leaves the hands off |
| 04:56.17 | ethics | roo9 NOO |
| 04:56.35 | ethics | roo9 i sent you a img file to create a bootdisk |
| 04:56.37 | peterS | thanks, roo9. it's hard to type with my nose but I'll get used to it. shifted punctuation will be a problem |
| 04:56.44 | deadcat | karsten: was that potatoe? |
| 04:56.46 | dondelelcaro | (although, I suppose I can't complain, having spread some really pungent ones of my own) |
| 04:56.47 | ethics | roo9 flashing inside of linux = proabbly dead |
| 04:56.53 | roo9 | ethics: i can't dcc send |
| 04:57.06 | ethics | roo9: http://1gighost.net/randyboy/win98sc.zip |
| 04:57.20 | roo9 | mmm go ethics |
| 04:57.41 | ethics | try downloading that unzipping and dd the image to floppy...reboot off that floppy(have the flash & bios on there first) flash from dos environment |
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| 04:58.13 | Gumby | does anyone here know what script dpkg uses for its definitions |
| 04:58.26 | peterS | Gumby: "its definitions"? |
| 04:58.37 | peterS | oh, you mean what is the bot running |
| 04:58.38 | peterS | !what are you |
| 04:58.39 | dpkg | I am a blootbot. For more info see <blootbot> |
| 04:58.40 | ethics | roo9: flashing is sorta along the same lines as a vulcan mind meld.....generally safe but they still make 3 episodes out of someone going nuts from it.....KHAAAAANNNN!!! |
| 04:58.51 | roo9 | :-) |
| 04:58.57 | roo9 | ethics: and a trek fan to boot.... |
| 04:59.04 | Gumby | PerfDave: more like /msg dpkg nvidia |
| 04:59.14 | Gumby | dpkg nvidia |
| 04:59.14 | dpkg | nvidia is probably DO NOT use nvidia.com's installer! Ask me about "nvidia installer". Instead, read "nvidia-howto" for instructions, or "nvidia one-liner" for a reminder if you've done it before. "Off to break the nvidia driver by changing the kernel interfaces again, this is becoming a fun hobby..." - Greg Kroah-Hartman, Linux kernel hacker, on linux-elitists |
| 04:59.14 | ethics | roo9: hehe did you miss the fact im on a computer atm...... |
| 04:59.20 | ethics | afk |
| 04:59.23 | karsten | deadcat: "slink" I think. |
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| 04:59.39 | deadcat | karsten: goddamn |
| 04:59.42 | roo9 | ethics_afk: thanks for all the help |
| 04:59.51 | karsten | deadcat: What? Too old for you? |
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| 05:00.03 | Gumby | err peterS not PerfDave |
| 05:00.05 | deadcat | karsten: way too old for me |
| 05:00.46 | karsten | deadcat: Slink was release Mar 9, 1999, so sounds about right. I think I also had 'hamm' on a cheapbytes disk. |
| 05:00.49 | peterS | Gumby: it told you, it's running a blootbot. the info database is built up interactively by people on irc. the backend is mysql, at present. |
| 05:00.53 | karsten | deadcat: ...but never installed it. |
| 05:01.06 | deadcat | hehe. |
| 05:01.40 | deadcat | what up mtnman! |
| 05:01.45 | mtnman | heynow |
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| 05:01.50 | digibox | does anyone have any idea how long it would be before sarge is stable? |
| 05:01.57 | deadcat | digibox: tomorrow |
| 05:01.59 | peterS | digibox: November 2003 |
| 05:02.09 | djperegrine | when I try to compile ffmpeg ( I am trying to use lame ) I get this |
| 05:02.09 | mtnman | digibox: consult a psychic. |
| 05:02.10 | djperegrine | ./libavcodec/libavcodec.so: undefined reference to `xvid_encoder |
| 05:02.22 | caphuso | djperegrine: /msg dpkg marillat |
| 05:02.33 | digibox | haha funny |
| 05:02.51 | mtnman | digibox: a psychic is your best bet for an answer to that question. |
| 05:03.04 | digibox | november 2003? thats how old my woody CD is |
| 05:03.05 | peterS | digibox: seriously, late 2003 was the original projected release date. nobody really believed it at the time but some people thought we'd only slip by a few months |
| 05:03.12 | karsten | digibox: RSN. |
| 05:03.41 | freet15 | exit |
| 05:04.06 | Gumby | peterS: my bad. I missed that line |
| 05:04.07 | mtnman | peters: i suppose 29 counts as at least a few... |
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| 05:04.29 | rixth | What does Ctrl+T do when you have a file selecteD? |
| 05:04.31 | peterS | mtnman: in the context of 'a few months', 29 is usually considered a bit on the high side (: |
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| 05:04.38 | digibox | RSN? |
| 05:04.44 | peterS | rixth: in what application? there isn't a universal keybinding for that sort of thing |
| 05:04.48 | peterS | digibox: Real Soon Now |
| 05:04.57 | semi_ | are there any more current howtos on truetype fonts in debian? the one i was reading just referenced xfree86 4.0 as something coming out in the future. |
| 05:05.08 | rixth | peterS, Nautilus, I did it accidentally and the files dissapeared |
| 05:05.10 | djperegrine | Failed to fetch ftp://ftp.nerim.net/debian-marillat/dists/testing/main/binary-i386/Packages.gz Server refused our connection and said: Too many connections (2) from this IP [IP: 62.4.17.14 21] |
| 05:05.10 | djperegrine | >< |
| 05:05.21 | peterS | digibox: traditional computer culture language for "this is still vaporware but the vendor promised us it would be out..." |
| 05:05.43 | peterS | rixth: oh, I haven't used nautilus in a very long time so I don't know |
| 05:05.44 | nathan__ | out of the different ident servers available for debian, which are the best if you only need very minimal ident services? |
| 05:05.52 | rixth | peterS, thanks |
| 05:06.01 | peterS | rixth: cruise the menus and see if you see a Ctrl+T shortcut somewhere, I guess |
| 05:06.02 | digibox | vaporware? first time hearing that term |
| 05:06.27 | rixth | peterS, Move to Wastebasktet :) Do you use KDE? |
| 05:06.48 | peterS | digibox: oh, vaporware == a software product which has been promised and talked about and sometimes lots of details have been given already, but it hasn't been released yet. in the closed-source world, if something hasn't been released, there's no way to know if it's even real or not (: |
| 05:07.21 | mtnman | !vaporware |
| 05:07.21 | dpkg | methinks vaporware is Products announced far in advance of any release (which may or may not actually take place). (see brochureware) |
| 05:07.28 | peterS | rixth: no. I don't use file managers in general, except Windows Explorer which is not only quite well done, but the Windows command line file management utilities suck so it's the best option there |
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| 05:07.41 | chealer | is there a way to reset the configuration files of a package, but without having to completely remove it (just faster than purge)? |
| 05:08.08 | deadcat | chealer: no. --reinstall maybe |
| 05:08.16 | rixth | peterS, Windows?! I take it your not meaning MS Windows Explorer? |
| 05:08.53 | peterS | rixth: yes. when I use Windows, I use Windows Explorer for file management. when I use Unix or Linux, I generally just use the command line. I don't like the command line utilities in Windows, hence the difference. |
| 05:09.02 | chealer | deadcat: that doesn't seem to touch configuration files |
| 05:09.17 | rixth | Oh yes I understand now. Thanks |
| 05:09.32 | deadcat | chealer: you're fucked then |
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| 05:10.18 | chealer | deadcat: I'm not fucked, this is just my try at Gentooism |
| 05:10.51 | deadcat | chealer: what the fuck you talking about? whats gentoo has to do with this? |
| 05:10.59 | djperegrine | got it |
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| 05:11.13 | chealer | deadcat: optimize! |
| 05:12.15 | deadcat | chealer: how would you do that in gentoo? |
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| 05:13.17 | deadcat | chealer: answer me |
| 05:13.56 | rixth | I'm trying TV out using TwinView. I have my config at http://spectrumenterprises.org/config It's not working though. My card is a FX 5200 with RCA out (not S-Video) |
| 05:14.03 | chealer | deadcat: bah, it must have been a bad "joke", I've never used Gentoo anyway |
| 05:14.22 | deadcat | chealer: thank god your not a comedian. cus you suck |
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| 05:14.58 | chealer | !chealer is also someone that would suck as a comedian |
| 05:14.58 | dpkg | okay, chealer |
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| 05:15.05 | deadcat | rixth: thas a nvidia? |
| 05:15.34 | rixth | deadcat, Indeed. It worked with my previous FX5200 (but that was S-Vdeio out) |
| 05:15.39 | deadcat | rixth: sshonly.sytes.net/config/etc/X11/ check my file. |
| 05:16.00 | rixth | Okay |
| 05:16.06 | Solet | how can i figure out what command my computer uses to start X when it boots? |
| 05:16.11 | deadcat | rixth: i had the fx5200 though |
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| 05:16.31 | rixth | Are you on dialup deadcat? :) |
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| 05:16.31 | deadcat | Solet: do you have any display manager installed? |
| 05:16.37 | Solet | gnome |
| 05:16.39 | deadcat | rixth: no. dsl. (= |
| 05:16.51 | deadcat | Solet: you mean gdm? |
| 05:16.59 | nathan__ | here's a question im sure you guys get daily, how do i install JRE in debian (sarge) ? |
| 05:17.13 | gpm | nathan__: /msg dpkg java |
| 05:17.18 | Solet | well yeah... dont GNOME and gdm go hand in hand? |
| 05:17.33 | gpm | nathan__: er, install java, whatever...it's all there |
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| 05:17.41 | rixth | deadcat, what was the file made with or did you write it yourself? |
| 05:17.52 | deadcat | rixth: myself. |
| 05:18.29 | rixth | It's for Xinerama? |
| 05:18.57 | deadcat | ya |
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| 05:19.41 | rixth | I read on the Gentoo wiki (about dual screens) that Xinerama shoult be avoided/is not standard :S |
| 05:20.00 | deadcat | really. what should we use? i only know that |
| 05:20.09 | gpm | Solet: gdm is not a dependency of gnome |
| 05:20.24 | gpm | Solet: so if you wanted to use it, you would have to install it yourself |
| 05:20.28 | rixth | I'll goto the wiki and find out |
| 05:20.57 | deadcat | k |
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| 05:21.55 | Solet | i just checked the boot screen in terminal... "Starting GNOME Display Manager: gdm." so i'd imagine i have gdm... but does my computer do 'startx' or 'xinit' to start it? how can i find out? |
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| 05:22.40 | buhb0 | does anyone have an idea of why my ssh connection over a local area network takes a full second to respond to a key typed? |
| 05:23.06 | deadcat | buhb0: wireless? busy network? |
| 05:23.50 | buhb0 | nope |
| 05:23.53 | buhb0 | not busy at all |
| 05:23.56 | buhb0 | nothing going on |
| 05:24.07 | deadcat | buhb0: you're fucked |
| 05:24.10 | buhb0 | and apache seems to be serving up websites fast enough |
| 05:24.28 | bob2 | buhb0: maybe one of the machines is too slow |
| 05:24.45 | buhb0 | the server is a 200mhz 32mb |
| 05:24.58 | buhb0 | but when you type on the keyboard it responds fine |
| 05:25.02 | buhb0 | just ssh... |
| 05:25.22 | Overand | ok, what's a PHP-based gallery system that doesn't suck? |
| 05:25.31 | maher | Overand: gallery |
| 05:25.32 | rixth | Overand, wabbit is good |
| 05:25.43 | Overand | 'gallery' package wanted to change my apache configuration |
| 05:25.45 | Overand | *WHY?!* |
| 05:25.57 | maher | Overand: really - I don't recall that... |
| 05:26.00 | rixth | How can I kill my X server (and have it not restart) so I just get dropped back to a coammand line? |
| 05:26.08 | Overand | yeah, it did. very strange. wanted to add a module |
| 05:26.24 | maher | Overand: which one |
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| 05:26.52 | Overand | can't remember |
| 05:27.04 | maher | Overand: maybe it needed it |
| 05:27.08 | Overand | i need this so my girlfriend can upload pictures from internet cafes in china |
| 05:27.13 | Overand | and she... like |
| 05:27.14 | Overand | she can use KDE |
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| 05:27.18 | Overand | but she's not a 'linux user' |
| 05:27.30 | matadamas | hey, someone speak spanish here? |
| 05:27.31 | maher | Overand: gallery has a web front end |
| 05:27.34 | Overand | yeah |
| 05:27.37 | Overand | maybe i'll give it another shot |
| 05:27.48 | deadcat | Overand: shes fucked. |
| 05:27.53 | Overand | deadcat: heh |
| 05:27.58 | Overand | deadcat: how come? |
| 05:28.06 | deadcat | Overand: aint easy |
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| 05:28.10 | danamania | rixth: if you're using gdm, kdm or xdm then stopping those can do that. |
| 05:28.11 | Overand | *I'm* going to install the gallery app. And I could use one for myself anyway. |
| 05:28.17 | Overand | deadcat: using 'gallery' from the user's side? |
| 05:28.28 | matadamas | i have a problem in debian with my hardware |
| 05:28.33 | gpm | !spanish |
| 05:28.33 | dpkg | Hispanohablantes: Por favor usen #debian-es, alli obtendran mas ayuda. Spanish Speakers: Please use #debian-es, there you will get much more help. |
| 05:28.34 | matadamas | i want to resolve this |
| 05:28.35 | rixth_ | Okay, how so I get OUT of that damn terminal I made by pressing ctrl-alt-f1 |
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| 05:28.39 | deadcat | Overand: oh. gallery. i thought you mean the apache gallery |
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| 05:28.46 | gpm | !tell matadamas about spanish |
| 05:28.49 | Overand | deadcat: ahhhh no =] |
| 05:28.52 | peterS | rixth_: alt-f2, alt-f3, etc. |
| 05:28.54 | deadcat | (= |
| 05:29.04 | peterS | rixth_: xdm takes console 7 by default, so alt-f7 for that |
| 05:29.10 | rixth | Oh I see |
| 05:29.11 | rixth | Thanks |
| 05:29.19 | matadamas | ok can i say it in spanish? |
| 05:29.34 | gpm | matadamas: /j #debian-es |
| 05:29.47 | Overand | ok, gallery package is installed... *now* what? |
| 05:29.47 | Overand | heh |
| 05:29.51 | gpm | matadamas: go join that channel...there you can talk in spanish |
| 05:30.00 | maher | Overand: /usr/share/doc/gallery |
| 05:30.02 | digibox | oh btw does anyone know how to make my non english Japanese 109 keyboard fully work in debian? |
| 05:30.03 | Overand | yeah |
| 05:30.11 | Overand | and it just threw itself in my /var/www dir |
| 05:30.18 | Overand | which isn't where most of my web crap is, but whatever |
| 05:30.21 | Vince34 | hello (; |
| 05:30.26 | markybob | i know this is OT, but hopefully someone has some insight. my company wants to buy about 20 high-end laptops. we use all linux desktops and would like to put linux on the laptops. i've had very bad luck getting linux working on high end hp laptops and i dont want to buy ibm since they sold it to a chinese company. anyone have suggestions on which to buy that are known to work well with linux? |
| 05:30.39 | matadamas | estoy usando ubuntu, la razon es por que no puede detectar mi hardware en debian, y en ubuntu si, pero prefiero debian, pero dicen q es posible lograr hacer funcionar hardware en debian si puedo en ubuntu |
| 05:30.42 | matadamas | ok thanks! |
| 05:30.50 | markybob | matadamas, #ubuntu |
| 05:30.55 | jm_ | markybob: tried visiting www.linux-laptop.net? |
| 05:31.13 | maher | markybob: eracks will sell you laptops with linux preinstalled |
| 05:31.41 | Solet | deadcat: you were talking about Xinerama earlier? iirc thats a multi screen related thing... are you good with configuring multiple monitors for xf86? |
| 05:32.21 | maher | markybob: so will emperorlinux |
| 05:32.41 | markybob | thanks, i'll look at those |
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| 05:33.56 | loft306 | what file dose deb use to autoload modules |
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| 05:34.28 | jm_ | loft306: several, man modules |
| 05:34.36 | deadcat | Solet: i have that for my desktop. |
| 05:34.45 | deadcat | Solet: sshonly.sytes.net/config/etc/X11 |
| 05:34.50 | loft306 | i dont use deb |
| 05:35.18 | deadcat | Solet: i have my config file do dual lcd, lcd+tv, lcd only, tv only |
| 05:35.19 | gpm | loft306: why do you care then? |
| 05:35.39 | loft306 | got a noob with a prob |
| 05:36.04 | ethics_afk | <loft306> what modules you looking at and what kernel? |
| 05:37.48 | ethics | or i can not help you...either works for me |
| 05:38.30 | buhb0 | how can i tell which speed my webserver is serving pages |
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| 05:39.03 | ethics | hey whats the ip6 deb package? |
| 05:39.07 | markybob | buhb0, you could use something like iftop to get a general view of your network speed |
| 05:39.22 | loft306 | ethics: just so he dosnt have to modprobe it each time |
| 05:39.26 | miyo | buhb0: apt-cache search apache benchmark |
| 05:39.42 | buhb0 | thx |
| 05:40.13 | ethics | <loft306> what module |
| 05:40.16 | Solet | deadcat: can you help me get my 3 monitor system working properly? I have on the upper shelf 1 monitor (primary) in the middle, then on the next shelf down i have 2 monitors, i want the server layout to treat these as a primary that sits, centered above the other 2, but i cant make it work, i can get various L shapes, but when i try to jack with the 'Relative' param it breaks horribly |
| 05:40.20 | loft306 | psmouse |
| 05:40.28 | magyar | short form "for example" is it fe? |
| 05:40.29 | ethics | <loft306>: its probably modules.conf |
| 05:40.38 | loft306 | k |
| 05:40.43 | loft306 | thnx |
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| 05:41.18 | miyo | magyar: f.ex. |
| 05:41.22 | magyar | or ai |
| 05:41.24 | gpm | magyar: e.g. |
| 05:41.31 | ethics | <loft306>: do you have discover1 and hotplug installed? |
| 05:41.33 | magyar | thx |
| 05:41.45 | deadcat | Solet: sorry dude. i have no clue how 3 mons work (= |
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| 05:41.59 | deadcat | Solet: you have to use 2/3 cards? |
| 05:42.11 | Solet | 3 cards |
| 05:42.17 | Solet | i got them to act like its in a line... |
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| 05:42.22 | Solet | but i cant put the top on on top |
| 05:42.28 | ethics | intrestingly....apt-get dist-upgrade changed my GDM to KDM default |
| 05:42.36 | deadcat | Solet: damn. |
| 05:42.46 | gpm | ethics: dpkg-reconfigure gdm |
| 05:42.46 | Solet | do you know how the "Relative" thing works? like how X and Y are treated and such? |
| 05:42.49 | gpm | ethics: dpkg-reconfigure or kdm |
| 05:42.58 | deadcat | Solet: nope. |
| 05:43.04 | Solet | the man file is very vague about this... |
| 05:43.09 | gpm | ethics: i mean, "or dpkg-reconfigure kdm" |
| 05:43.14 | ethics | gpm: yeah done that but i just thought it was intresting that a dist-upgrade would swap defaults hehe |
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| 05:43.56 | gpm | ethics: um...i don't think you can change that without editing a config file, so something must've happened with debconf...or a config file got overwritten without telling you. |
| 05:44.23 | chealer | just curious, what's the use of || true in "rmdir --parents --ignore-fail-on-non-empty /etc/apache/conf.d || true" (as seen in /var/lib/dpkg/info/phpmyadmin.postrm)? |
| 05:44.43 | deadcat | chealer: always return 0 even when failed |
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| 05:45.20 | buhb0 | is there such a thing as a high speed ssh? |
| 05:45.21 | chealer | deadcat: what will happen if it doesn't, the script stops? |
| 05:45.31 | buhb0 | one that uses more than 1.5k/s to transfer |
| 05:45.32 | deadcat | ya |
| 05:45.44 | chealer | I guess I'm quite clueless, eh? :) |
| 05:45.46 | chealer | thanks deadcat |
| 05:45.47 | peterS | buhb0: ssh -C? |
| 05:46.05 | mlots | How do I get an /etc/X11/app-defaults/Xvncviewer or alike setting to take effect? |
| 05:46.07 | peterS | buhb0: you *are* limited by the CPU on both ends of your pipe, sometimes |
| 05:46.13 | Solet | deadcat: another multi monitor question: do you know how to swap screen contents? for example if i have a fullscreen browser in my main screen and a script on the bottom left how i could make them swap? |
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| 05:46.48 | miyo | buhb0: Sometimes using compression helps, sometimes disabling compression helps. |
| 05:46.50 | deadcat | Solet: no clue either (= |
| 05:46.54 | buhb0 | well when i make an outgoing connection to say a mud, it works very fast. but an incoming ssh connection accross my LAN makes for a slow responsivens |
| 05:47.06 | miyo | buhb0: It depends on cpu load on both ends as well as what kind of pipe you have. |
| 05:47.06 | buhb0 | it even lags when i use telnetd |
| 05:47.27 | buhb0 | cpu load is minimal |
| 05:47.45 | Morvok_ | thats to do with your hostname and resolv.conf I believe. |
| 05:47.46 | buhb0 | pipe is ethernet... |
| 05:47.47 | ethics | hmm hdparm5.9-4_i386.deb 404 not found on debian?... |
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| 05:48.10 | deadcat | ethics: try another mirror |
| 05:48.46 | ethics | hdparm.....does what? |
| 05:49.06 | deadcat | ethics: set dma to your disk and shits |
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| 05:49.25 | ethics | deadcat: ahh i have previous loaded prolly wont matter... |
| 05:49.39 | ethics | deadcat: next upgrade will catch it |
| 05:50.59 | ethics | deadcat: hmm if i changed from a i386 kernel to a i686 kernel anything id need to do? everything seems fine just didnt think to ask hehe |
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| 05:51.15 | Overand | well, great |
| 05:51.23 | miyo | buhb0: When ssh connection to mud is fast... is incoming connection slow? |
| 05:51.33 | Overand | installed gallery, everything works great except that ALL THE IMAGES NO WORKY |
| 05:51.44 | deadcat | ethics: nothing to do. unless you have 3rd party modules to compile |
| 05:51.48 | maher | Overand: what doesn't work |
| 05:51.58 | Overand | they all 404 |
| 05:52.01 | Overand | it must be a relative link issue somewhere |
| 05:52.10 | deadcat | Overand: gallery sucks. libapache-gallery-perl rocks |
| 05:52.14 | Overand | the thing about 'gallery' is that i have NO idea how it works |
| 05:52.20 | Overand | deadcat: rememebr that thing about the girlfriend? |
| 05:52.29 | maher | Overand: yeah - there is a relative link thing you may beed to fix |
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| 05:52.35 | simonrvn | Overand: /usr/share/doc/gallery/README.Debian |
| 05:53.01 | Overand | maher: i have lots of name-based virtual hosts in apache |
| 05:53.05 | Overand | simonrvn: k |
| 05:53.09 | deadcat | Overand: ya )= |
| 05:53.54 | djperegrine | I hate how everything is in /usr/bin, it makes more sense to put it in /usr/local/bin doesn't it? |
| 05:54.03 | simonrvn | o_O |
| 05:54.10 | Overand | simonrvn: nothing there that's new. |
| 05:54.13 | maher | djperegrine: no |
| 05:54.14 | Overand | it's "configured" |
| 05:54.16 | Overand | it's just borked |
| 05:54.16 | Overand | heh |
| 05:54.16 | deadcat | djperegrine: if you say so |
| 05:54.43 | Overand | the *problem* is that, for example, i have NO idea how/why/where apache is deciging to push http://*/gallery to the gallery dir |
| 05:54.50 | djperegrine | whatever :P |
| 05:54.56 | Overand | *all* the name-based virtual hosts are doing it |
| 05:55.02 | chealer | !tell djperegrine about /usr/local |
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| 05:55.11 | peterS | djperegrine: the only reason to separate /usr/bin from /usr/local/bin is for different sets of accounting. as it is, the debian package manager does all the accounting |
| 05:55.28 | peterS | djperegrine: therefore putting everything in /usr/bin makes perfect sense. /usr/local/bin is reserved for local administrators to put whatever they want in |
| 05:55.42 | ia3264 | is the only reason to put /home on its own partition so that users cant fill up your entire harddrive with files, only the partition? |
| 05:55.48 | djperegrine | yea I guess so. |
| 05:55.50 | Overand | ia3264: that's one reason |
| 05:55.50 | jm_ | Overand: it adds an alias, see /etc/gallery/apache.conf |
| 05:56.07 | ia3264 | what are some other reasons |
| 05:56.11 | Jigdo | how can i set a sis 650 / 740 in X , because it´s with chipset not suports 24 bpp ?! |
| 05:56.19 | Jigdo | video |
| 05:56.23 | gpm | ia3264: i keep all my precious data in my ~ dir, so i keep it on a partition that won't get fucked if the system does |
| 05:56.40 | Overand | jm_: ah, ok. would have helped if i'd looked in my httpd.conf and modules.conf to find something oointing there |
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| 05:56.53 | jm_ | ia3264: one other reason is it's easy to keep it if you decide to reinstall |
| 05:56.53 | Overand | Jigdo: 32 bpp is 24 bpp with an alpha channel |
| 05:57.00 | ia3264 | thats what confuses me, how would /home be safe just because its on its own partition if you can access multiple partitions from within linux in the first place? |
| 05:57.08 | ia3264 | ah that makes sense |
| 05:57.30 | Overand | yeah |
| 05:57.31 | Jigdo | Overand so, it isn´t work? |
| 05:57.42 | Overand | Jigdo: ? |
| 05:57.50 | gpm | ia3264: yeah, i meant the system partition getting fucked...by me reinstalling |
| 05:57.56 | chealer | peterS: what do you mean by "the debian package manager does all the accounting"? actually maybe I don't understand what you mean by accounting. |
| 05:57.59 | ethics | yay irc on linux again heheh brb |
| 05:58.03 | Jigdo | Overfiend i can´t set it correctly.... |
| 05:58.04 | gpm | ia3264: which i, for whatever lameass reason, tend to do frequently |
| 05:58.04 | Overand | ok, the problem is that gallery is trying to redirect /albums *too* |
| 05:58.07 | Overand | interesting |
| 05:58.09 | Overand | i can solve this |
| 05:58.12 | Overand | (sort of) |
| 05:58.19 | peterS | chealer: keeping track of which package owns which files, mainly. so you can uninstall a package and all of its files are deleted automatically. |
| 05:58.22 | Jigdo | Overand any tip? |
| 05:58.37 | peterS | chealer: for admin-local stuff, typically put in /usr/local/bin, you keep track manually |
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| 05:58.54 | Jigdo | Overfiend this error is reported "No screen found" |
| 05:58.55 | Overand | question is how the hell am i going to change that gallery/apache.conf to not pull /gallery from everywhere |
| 05:59.09 | peterS | chealer: putting everything in /usr/bin is no problem so long as dpkg is keeping track of who owns what files, and is enforcing that no two packages can install the same file |
| 05:59.13 | peterS | chealer: (which it does) |
| 05:59.28 | Overand | Jigdo: what is your native language? you might want to ask in the appropriately-themed #debian variant |
| 05:59.55 | peterS | someone set up us the DPL! |
| 05:59.57 | Overand | Overfiend: heh, sorry. you're my first over* collision |
| 06:00.06 | Overand | How long have you had it? |
| 06:00.16 | Overand | I've been Overand on EFNet for... eh... 4 years? |
| 06:00.16 | peterS | Overand: ha! Overfiend has been around like 8 years |
| 06:00.21 | Jigdo | but if a don´t touch at XF86Config it´s works at 8bpp at 320x200 |
| 06:00.26 | Overfiend | Tonight's Overfiend appearance was brought to you by grumpy-assholes.com |
| 06:00.30 | Overand | Yeah, I changed from ^Sucrose^ ~4-5 years ago |
| 06:00.30 | Solet | in a multihead system what does setting the xinerama flag do? |
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| 06:00.44 | Overfiend | Overand: since 1998, I think. 1999 at the latest. |
| 06:00.48 | Overand | I started IRCing back when I was still strictly windows, and i *think* mIRC was still a 16 bit app |
| 06:00.57 | chealer | peterS: ok, so did you mean that the debian package manager does all the accounting, but not for /usr/local/bin, right? |
| 06:01.04 | Overand | yeah, that predates my use of overand as a nick, i think, but doesn't predate my irc presence |
| 06:01.10 | peterS | Solet: xinerama is a system to tie two or more displays together such that most apps will think it's a single big display |
| 06:01.11 | Overfiend | benjamindees: evil :) |
| 06:01.11 | Overand | lemme see when i registered my domain |
| 06:01.29 | peterS | Solet: the alternative is for apps to get to decide for themselves which 'screen' of the display to appear on |
| 06:01.31 | Overand | looks like 2001 |
| 06:01.36 | Solet | peterS: so it will cut my window into 3 goofy ass pieces? |
| 06:01.56 | Overand | heh |
| 06:02.08 | peterS | Solet: hey, try it both ways. exactly how xinerama will affect your look 'n' feel will depend on the apps and window manager you run |
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| 06:02.12 | hacim | anyone know a decent integrated motherboard whose periphrials work with linux? |
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| 06:02.28 | peterS | Solet: but anyway, you probably *do* want xinerama |
| 06:02.37 | ia3264 | you can put any directory on it's own partition couldnt you? even /bin |
| 06:02.53 | Solet | ok one more question: does the "Relative" param in the 'ServerLayout' only work if xinerama is set? |
| 06:02.53 | clown | anyon use gyach chat here for yahoo? |
| 06:02.56 | ethics | hacim: most intel chipsets...via chipset... |
| 06:02.57 | Solet | because i cant make it work... |
| 06:02.58 | peterS | ia3264: not /bin. you'll have trouble mounting /bin without /bin/mount available |
| 06:03.09 | hacim | ethics: looking for mobos |
| 06:03.37 | ia3264 | im tryin to decide which ones i wanna put on their own partition so far i have /, swap, /boot, /home, /usr, /tmp and /var |
| 06:03.38 | peterS | ia3264: /usr and /var can easily go on their own partitions, but there are very good reasons for /sbin /bin /etc to all be on the root filesystem |
| 06:03.48 | ethics | hacim: well ac97 sound is supported....onboard nics are normally covered too as they are reateks or via/sis clones |
| 06:04.14 | peterS | ia3264: /bin /sbin /etc are all needed very early in the boot process. the rest can go whithersoever thou desirest |
| 06:04.22 | ia3264 | cool |
| 06:04.23 | ethics | hacim: whats scaring you about it? |
| 06:04.49 | magyar | later all |
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| 06:05.34 | hacim | ethics: are you speaking of a specific motherboard? |
| 06:05.39 | ethics | hey how do i register my nick again?....been too long hehe |
| 06:05.50 | hacim | ethics: /msg nickserv help register |
| 06:06.16 | ethics | hacim: well pretty much unless you are going SATA or onboard Raid you should be covered on any board...very few onboard devices are rare |
| 06:07.21 | hacim | ethics: well, I was hoping to get ethernet and sound built-in. I know I can get a via epia board for about $100 and thats with sound, etc. and a cpu, but they are a little slow |
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| 06:08.47 | john | new_user: Shouldn't IRC as root. |
| 06:08.49 | john | :/ |
| 06:08.51 | Solet | peterS: why does "relative" not work in my XF86Config-4? |
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| 06:09.20 | mashiur | hi |
| 06:09.40 | peterS | Solet: I have no idea. I'm squinting but I can't quite make out your XF86Config-4 file from here. also, I don't personally run multi-head |
| 06:10.34 | Solet | Screen "Screen1" | Screen "Screen2" Relative "Screen1" 1024 0 |
| 06:10.41 | Solet | should put them beside each other |
| 06:10.54 | Solet | instead it makes 2 screens but the mouse cant move to screen 2 |
| 06:11.02 | mashiur | I have a problem. When I am useing apt-get install soft_name then it automaticall download german version of soft, I like to change the access point and download only english version. Can anybody help me to solve this problem? |
| 06:11.13 | peterS | Solet: have you tried Screen "Screen2" RightOf "Screen1"? |
| 06:11.18 | Solet | if i change it to leftof rightof or anything else it works |
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| 06:12.03 | chealer | is it possible to login to mysql as debian-sys-maint? if so, what's its password? |
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| 06:12.54 | challenged | ping |
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| 06:13.16 | challenged | yay wow 2 things working as expected.....successful day hehe |
| 06:13.49 | mashiur | hello everybody... |
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| 06:14.40 | challenged | ok my day is done...cyas in the morn |
| 06:15.05 | F-Lelo | How can I mount (with -o loop) .mdf files? |
| 06:15.24 | mashiur | I have a problem. When I am useing apt-get install soft_name then it automaticall download german version of soft, I like to change the access point and download only english version. Can anybody help me to solve this problem? |
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| 06:15.39 | Overand | yeah it looks like it was a virtual directory issue. sweet. |
| 06:15.43 | chealer | I just found the password I was looking for in /etc/mysql/debian.cnf |
| 06:16.40 | peterS | F-Lelo: dunno, what is a .mdf file? |
| 06:16.53 | F-Lelo | peterS: alcohol 120% image file |
| 06:17.32 | F-Lelo | there is a program named mdf2iso |
| 06:17.43 | F-Lelo | I compiled it and tried to run |
| 06:17.48 | F-Lelo | it gives me segfault =/ |
| 06:17.51 | jm_ | F-Lelo: you could write something similar to cdemu for it |
| 06:18.06 | F-Lelo | cdemu? |
| 06:18.06 | peterS | never heard of 'alcohol 120%'. that name doesn't even make sense |
| 06:18.25 | F-Lelo | peterS: it is a nero-like program for win |
| 06:18.51 | F-Lelo | well... the deal is that I want to play Starcraft on Linux |
| 06:19.00 | john | k3b is my choice of burners. |
| 06:19.07 | F-Lelo | my 2nd CD doesn't read but when on Windows, I did a image on Alcohol 120% :) |
| 06:19.11 | peterS | F-Lelo: probably file a wishlist bug with their vendor asking for a more open dump format. bin/cue seems to be well enough supported in free software |
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| 06:19.42 | Calvin | hello |
| 06:19.45 | F-Lelo | peterS: yeah... I read in a forum that mdf is similar to bin |
| 06:19.54 | F-Lelo | and that there is ways of transforming mdf to iso... |
| 06:20.02 | Calvin | i have a problem.... |
| 06:20.03 | F-Lelo | I tried one and got segfault |
| 06:20.29 | peterS | F-Lelo: I can't help you then. I'm not in a position to debug a program that deals with data formats I've never even seen |
| 06:20.32 | F-Lelo | !tell Calvin ask |
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| 06:20.45 | mashiur | exit |
| 06:21.04 | F-Lelo | alright |
| 06:21.32 | F-Lelo | I found this http://www.linuxforums.org/forum/topic-5758.html |
| 06:21.33 | Solet | i dont think X likes having a non rectangular layout for monitors.... |
| 06:22.32 | Calvin | my english isn't very good |
| 06:23.08 | Calvin | ok: i installed php5 with apt-get install php5 |
| 06:23.12 | peterS | Solet: with non-xinerama it shouldn't be a problem, since in that case you get 3 root windows rather than one large one |
| 06:23.26 | Solet | still isnt working |
| 06:23.47 | Solet | i'll just go left of right of and deal with the fact that the mouse wont move between quite the way i want... |
| 06:23.48 | Calvin | then was 1 site blank... so i installed php4 |
| 06:23.52 | peterS | with non-xinerama, apps can't span two screens, and can't trivially be dragged from one to another. at least, I think they can't |
| 06:23.56 | Solet | eventually it will be a 7 or 9 head system |
| 06:24.04 | Calvin | and now...: exery site is blank |
| 06:24.08 | Calvin | *every |
| 06:25.03 | Calvin | what can i do? |
| 06:25.32 | liable | Calvin: do you mean you cant download with apt-get? |
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| 06:26.26 | Calvin | i can... but now: my sites are all blank: http://www.emailpoint.de/index.php |
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| 06:27.32 | Calvin | i have a Debian/Confixx-Server |
| 06:28.03 | chealer | what's that? |
| 06:28.17 | Calvin | a bundle |
| 06:28.26 | liable | Calvin: what is your native language |
| 06:28.42 | Calvin | (swiss-)german |
| 06:29.19 | liable | maybe try #debian-de |
| 06:29.37 | peterS | ahh, the one with the ISO code deuts_CH |
| 06:29.49 | Calvin | yes *g* |
| 06:30.27 | peterS | actually he meant #debian.de - but they have a reputation for being less friendly than #debian |
| 06:31.33 | Calvin | they are "afk" |
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| 06:32.35 | tools-lt | Anbody might know a nice OS alternative for MS Publisher, don't need to open the documents, just want something easy to use I can give people I switched to use. ( I tried google, nothing there, Scribus or Draw are to complicated for beginners that just want "quick results" ) |
| 06:33.02 | tools-lt | s/to use/to linux/ |
| 06:33.57 | jm_ | what does MS Publisher do? |
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| 06:34.29 | tools-lt | :) - Create stuff like Flyers or "Happy Birthday" cards, certificates "Best Linux hacker in the World". |
| 06:34.56 | tools-lt | So it's only natural that home users ask for it. :D |
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| 06:38.17 | simonrvn | cuddle time (cat) |
| 06:38.37 | Calvin | they aren't very friendly in the german debian channel |
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| 06:38.45 | peterS | that's what I have heard |
| 06:39.12 | furrywolf | simon: your cat tells you when it's time to go to bed too? I thought only mine did that. :) |
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| 06:39.30 | Calvin | They allways say: read the FAQ... |
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| 06:39.46 | simonrvn | oh yes, she sure does. though this is just "cuddle me now! purrrrr!" |
| 06:40.06 | snadge | is there a gnome panel applet that will display temperature and cpufan etc? |
| 06:40.16 | simonrvn | i believe so |
| 06:40.17 | furrywolf | heh. mine sits up on the bed and looks at me until I curl up with her. :) |
| 06:40.26 | simonrvn | hehe, aaaw |
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| 06:41.08 | sdsds | how do i check connectivity speed of my n/w card |
| 06:41.14 | simonrvn | ifconfig |
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| 06:41.30 | user____ | when will 2.6.11 make its way into testing? |
| 06:41.38 | simonrvn | if you want bandwidth, use something like bwm or netpool (?) |
| 06:41.38 | peterS | sdsds: mii-tool will probably report it |
| 06:41.52 | peterS | user____: after sarge is released |
| 06:41.53 | sdsds | ok |
| 06:41.56 | simonrvn | @wir |
| 06:41.57 | ravenbird | When It's Ready, see also RSN |
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| 06:42.20 | furrywolf | I need more upstream... I can't often pull more than 200K/sec off bittorrent (pulling 220K/sec right now), since downloads are proportional to uploads... |
| 06:42.54 | user____ | peterS and how often does that happen? oh, btw, when is woody getting released? |
| 06:42.55 | peterS | user____: sarge already has 2.6.8 and the security team isn't interested in supporting *two* 2.6 kernels in sarge, so 2.6.8 is all it will get. once etch becomes 'testing', 2.6.11 or newer will go into it. |
| 06:43.01 | Xsquared | hi, i'd like to install tor on sarge. It appears that the package isn't available? |
| 06:43.05 | simonrvn | woody *is* released |
| 06:43.22 | jm_ | furrywolf: they aren't really proportional |
| 06:43.29 | user____ | simonrvn i meant updated... |
| 06:43.40 | simonrvn | rc5 was just recently |
| 06:43.54 | simonrvn | er, r5 |
| 06:44.11 | user____ | Xsquared you'd need cutom their source in apt |
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| 06:44.27 | furrywolf | jm: I've noticed if I set upstream to less than 2-3 uploads and 4-5K/sec on a given torrent, I tend to get a lot slower downloads. and since I rarely get more than 20-30K/sec down per torrent, impressively large total speeds only come with multiple torrents. but then all the 5K/sec upstreams add up... |
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| 06:44.58 | user____ | peterS so if i want 2.6.11 kernel, instead of 2.6.8 .... should i go with sid then? |
| 06:45.10 | peterS | user____: no, I'd go with sarge and just pull a kernel image from sid |
| 06:45.11 | furrywolf | user: or just compile your own. |
| 06:45.34 | peterS | user____: the world hasn't moved on too much yet, so a sid kernel image should work fine |
| 06:45.34 | jm_ | furrywolf: yeah, that depends on clients and the settings - some have it configured like that, but it's not a generic behaviour |
| 06:45.39 | Xsquared | user____: which source, it looks like there is only a woody and experimental on their page. |
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| 06:46.22 | user____ | Xsquared let me get mine |
| 06:46.25 | furrywolf | jm: I'm not going to complain too much about 220K/sec... I spent the last 3 years on a modem... at 3K/sec... heh. |
| 06:46.34 | ApTek | LSA |
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| 06:46.40 | jm_ | furrywolf: heh, I get that too, but in kbps :)) |
| 06:46.55 | simonrvn | i'd like my up faster though. i can deal with ~300 kB/s |
| 06:47.04 | DrD | if one compiles the kernel using menuconfig, make and make install, would that be fine under Debian ? |
| 06:47.14 | simonrvn | ...down, but my up is ~80-100 kB/s |
| 06:47.20 | peterS | furrywolf: you'd better not complain. most people in the world have less than 220kB/sec. I have more than that but I sure don't need it |
| 06:47.22 | jm_ | yeah, who wouldn't mind gigabit links they have in Singapore now |
| 06:47.25 | Xsquared | user____: are you sure that's for sarge? |
| 06:47.33 | furrywolf | I get 450K/sec down and 35K/sec up... need more up. :) |
| 06:47.35 | user____ | Xsquared nope :) |
| 06:47.43 | Xsquared | user____: lol, k |
| 06:47.57 | Xsquared | and one other question, how do you remove loaded kernel modules? |
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| 06:48.07 | user____ | Xsquared rmmod |
| 06:48.07 | simonrvn | we might get some phatter pipes if the CRTC and Bell Ca. cooperate ;) |
| 06:48.12 | peterS | furrywolf: you don't need more until you can (a) explain what this "K" unit is, since I don't think it's Kelvins, and (b) explain whether you're talking about bits or bytes, since you didn't say "b" or "B" |
| 06:48.33 | simonrvn | please use modprobe -r if on 2.6 |
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| 06:48.45 | furrywolf | isp does funky throttling... as soon as you get near the cap, ping times go through the roof. |
| 06:48.55 | simonrvn | o_O. wtf |
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| 06:49.08 | furrywolf | peters: k = bits, K = bytes. or do you use some less-obvious system? :P |
| 06:49.15 | user____ | simonrvn correcting me? for the modprobe -r? any particular reason? |
| 06:49.19 | peterS | furrywolf: no. kb is bits, kB is bytes |
| 06:49.28 | simonrvn | modprobe takes care of deps |
| 06:49.29 | peterS | furrywolf: k is the SI prefix for kilo |
| 06:49.42 | jm_ | I will probably switch to 1Mbps/256kbps later this year - fuckers let you buy 1M/384k too until recently, but not anymore, now it has to be 2m/384k or 4M/512k - maybe situation will change with ADSL2, but then again, so will the prices |
| 06:49.44 | user____ | ah, okay, didn't know that :) |
| 06:49.59 | furrywolf | peters: icewm's built-in bandwidth monitor uses K, so I'm not the only one who uses that system. :) |
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| 06:50.24 | sep | furrywolf: write a bug report :) |
| 06:50.40 | peterS | furrywolf: a bandwidth monitor built into a window manager already sounds like a poor idea - it should be broken out into a module. so I wouldn't trust any author that thinks in *those* terms (: |
| 06:50.50 | furrywolf | lol |
| 06:51.01 | jm_ | you can disable it anyway |
| 06:51.02 | freaky_ | anyone know how to get mailman-2.1.x in debian? it has 2.0.11 now but I need 2.1 for the translations |
| 06:51.13 | furrywolf | don't know how it's written, just know it's on the taskbar by default. :P |
| 06:51.24 | simonrvn | freaky_: woody i assume |
| 06:51.35 | furrywolf | bah, down to 151kB/sec. :P |
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| 06:52.17 | freaky_ | simonrvn: yea the box was installed a while ago by someone else |
| 06:52.22 | simonrvn | freaky_: 2.1.5 in sarge/sid... hold on, lemme check something |
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| 06:52.48 | freaky_ | unfortunately i'm not really familiar with debian (i am with some other distro's) and I need to go to the customer now to fix this :( |
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| 06:53.02 | freaky_ | maybe time i dig into this some more |
| 06:53.16 | freaky_ | so I could do apt-get dist-upgrade or something? |
| 06:53.24 | simonrvn | damn, it does need compiling... i would've said go get the sarge .deb, but you'd need to backport because of the compiling thing |
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| 06:53.54 | freaky_ | :/ |
| 06:54.31 | simonrvn | apt-get.org or backports.org might have one |
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| 06:55.52 | roo9 | anyone know how to make a bootable linux CD, similar to the debian "rescue" cd? |
| 06:56.56 | jm_ | roo9: use GRUB or isolinux, it's pretty simple |
| 06:57.04 | freaky_ | simonrvn: thx |
| 06:57.07 | simonrvn | np |
| 06:57.16 | roo9 | jm_: thanks. |
| 06:57.55 | DrD | if one compiles the kernel using menuconfig, make and make install, would that be fine under Debian ? |
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| 06:59.09 | trend | hello |
| 06:59.27 | freaky_ | simonrvn: yea they have one. if i install that one will the current config be safe? (ie get ported to new version) |
| 07:00.10 | trend | <Huri> http://www.videoturk.tr.gs Free Porno Videos |
| 07:00.12 | simonrvn | might eed to go over it, but it won't overwrite. if it does do something to it, it'll tell you. |
| 07:00.25 | trend | ChanServ can we get a ban on huri please |
| 07:00.28 | simonrvn | didn't need to post the fricking URI too |
| 07:00.33 | Ether_Man_ | Any op might want to ban Huri.. onjoin spam.. |
| 07:00.44 | freaky_ | simonrvn: thx again |
| 07:00.45 | simonrvn | @ops <Huri> is a spam bot |
| 07:00.46 | peterS | trend: ChanServ is a service bot. watch: |
| 07:00.50 | ravenbird | Hydroxide, bob2, caphuso, dondelelcaro, doogie, eeyore-, ElectricElf, greycat, helix, ljlane, LoRez, mentor, Netsnipe, TML, walters, xk: <Huri> is a spam bot |
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| 07:01.11 | peterS | trend: ah, what simonrvn just did. he just nick-highlighted all the channel ops. if any are around they'll notice |
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| 07:01.24 | simonrvn | w00t |
| 07:01.28 | *** kick/#debian [Huri!foobar@p5481CE12.dip.t-dialin.net] by caphuso (dumbass) |
| 07:01.28 | *** mode/#debian [+b *!*@85.96.160.189] by caphuso |
| 07:01.34 | simonrvn | thanks |
| 07:01.35 | *** mode/#debian [-o caphuso] by caphuso |
| 07:01.42 | *** part/#debian trend_ (user@68-184-158-168.cpe.ga.charter.com) |
| 07:01.45 | simonrvn | hehe, "dumbass" :) |
| 07:01.49 | freaky_ | bbl thanks peeps |
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| 07:02.41 | trend | yeah! |
| 07:02.44 | trend | thanks |
| 07:02.52 | trend | i didn't know caphuso was an op |
| 07:03.00 | trend | maybe i was thinking of cafuego |
| 07:03.06 | SlayerXP | trend: the world is full of injustice. |
| 07:03.33 | trend | ha |
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| 07:03.48 | trend | he is alright with me.. after getting rid of huri |
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| 07:04.17 | trend | dude.. maybe we shouldn't of kicked huri.. the free p0rn is pretty quick download :) |
| 07:04.34 | trend | but the dog on mom isnt' my bag |
| 07:04.39 | trend | dog on milf* |
| 07:04.44 | mrnull | My dad finally got DSL. Where can I find out how-to log in to my debian inst with a gui? |
| 07:04.57 | peterS | trend: the ops don't advertise their @ until they actually need to act. keeps the channel a bit more low-key if they aren't wearing police uniforms, so to speak |
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| 07:05.11 | caphuso | first person telling me why the regexp available here http://caphuso.dyndns.org/~caphuso/regexp.txt fails to match "STR\->" gets a genuine caphuso karma point |
| 07:05.22 | trend | woot! |
| 07:05.38 | trend | i need some bash script help.... |
| 07:05.39 | trend | I need to change this : if (( diff>5 )) to somtehing like" if (( 10<diff>5)) " what is the correct syntax? |
| 07:05.44 | peterS | caphuso: you're sick, dude |
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| 07:05.53 | ak47_ | heihei |
| 07:05.56 | danamania | caphuso makes me cry. |
| 07:05.57 | caphuso | peterS: no, stumped |
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| 07:06.04 | peterS | trend: wtf is '10<diff>5' supposed to mean? |
| 07:06.12 | tarzeau | !seen abrotman |
| 07:06.13 | dpkg | abrotman <~abrotman@pcp01413775pcs.potshe01.pa.comcast.net> was last seen on IRC in channel #debian, 3h 36m 35s ago, saying: 'eob84: i'd start with a working config .. strip out stuff you don't want . when it stops working .. put it back :)'. |
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| 07:06.27 | trend | lol |
| 07:06.38 | trend | whoops.. 10>diff>5 |
| 07:06.48 | peterS | trend: and in what language? |
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| 07:06.59 | trend | #!/bin/bash |
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| 07:07.10 | peterS | trend: most computer languages don't have a shortcut for that, you just say 10 > diff and diff > 5, where "and" looks different in different languages |
| 07:07.28 | furrywolf | caphuso: might help if you started it with a / :P |
| 07:07.48 | trend | oh ok |
| 07:07.49 | simonrvn | you're fucking nuts |
| 07:08.00 | peterS | simonrvn: see what I mean? he's sick |
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| 07:08.25 | peterS | furrywolf: huh? he's not trying to match a / |
| 07:08.47 | caphuso | peterS: actually i am, a couple of times... |
| 07:08.48 | jm_ | is that for perl? |
| 07:08.52 | simonrvn | caphuso: trying to match 'STR'? or 'STR\\'? or... ? |
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| 07:08.59 | caphuso | simonrvn: STR\-> |
| 07:09.14 | simonrvn | oh, STR\ and everything after? |
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| 07:09.21 | caphuso | simonrvn: no, the literal string STR\-> |
| 07:09.26 | furrywolf | caphuso: I think you have a frobnitz problem. you might try moving the fnord modifier to the end of the string. |
| 07:09.29 | furrywolf | bbl, sleep. :) |
| 07:09.35 | simonrvn | oh fuck |
| 07:10.00 | furrywolf | caphuso: or else it's a PEBKAC problem. yes, definitely could be. :P |
| 07:10.04 | furrywolf | bbl, cat says bedtime |
| 07:10.20 | simonrvn | i think this is a case of "see the trees for the forest". i.e., dissect it |
| 07:10.20 | caphuso | it all looks a bit weird because it's ascii transliteration of several funny characters |
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| 07:11.10 | peterS | caphuso: not that I'm really trying for your karma point, but is this a 'grep' regex expressed in shell double quotes? |
| 07:11.19 | caphuso | peterS: emacs regexp |
| 07:11.27 | peterS | ahhh, with emacs double quotes |
| 07:11.49 | peterS | hence all the "\\" which really just means \ |
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| 07:12.03 | rixth | If Wine installs something to the 'C:' drive. Where does it ACTUALLY go? |
| 07:12.15 | tarzeau | rixth: home |
| 07:12.25 | peterS | rixth: wine has a config file that answers such questions |
| 07:12.32 | tarzeau | rixth: i mean where does a user have write permissions? |
| 07:12.36 | jm_ | caphuso: what does () mean in emacs? |
| 07:12.42 | rixth | Thanks guys |
| 07:12.52 | caphuso | jm_: matches literal () |
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| 07:13.24 | rixth | ~/.wine/drive_c/ |
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| 07:13.39 | greister_ | Xchat isn't feel good ,Can I find another one? |
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| 07:13.47 | roo9 | does anyone have experience with booting in "unusual" situations. I have a system with 3x320GB drives (hda,hdb,hdd) 1xcdrom (hdc) and a 4x60GB HPT366 raid, the root of the system is located at /dev/ataraid/d0p3 |
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| 07:13.54 | tarzeau | greister_: TalkSoup.app |
| 07:14.04 | simonrvn | irssi-text |
| 07:14.21 | caphuso | there should be at least two STR in that regexp |
| 07:14.40 | simonrvn | you sure? |
| 07:14.51 | caphuso | it has to match \->STR and STR\->, but not \->STR\-> |
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| 07:15.38 | simonrvn | oh, in the regexp... |
| 07:16.09 | caphuso | which means i might have found a bug in the re.el of emacs... |
| 07:16.19 | jcc | could someone do this and post/msg me the results - I want to see if I can remotely ssh in: nmap 81.131.130.105 |
| 07:16.27 | caphuso | err, rx.el |
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| 07:19.41 | Gumby | does anyone know who maintains blootbot? |
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| 07:19.58 | tarzeau | Gumby: does it not have a homepage? |
| 07:20.00 | peterS | Gumby: apt-cache showsrc blootbot |
| 07:20.01 | Gumby | errr.. who maintains dpkg |
| 07:20.14 | tarzeau | Gumby: packages.debian.org/dpkg |
| 07:20.17 | peterS | !who owns you |
| 07:20.17 | dpkg | dondelelcaro does |
| 07:20.25 | peterS | interestingly, the bot knows |
| 07:20.30 | Gumby | lol |
| 07:20.32 | Gumby | nice |
| 07:20.36 | ICU | !who owns me |
| 07:20.55 | Gumby | I'm try to set it up and its giving me errors when I try and run it. not many hits on google |
| 07:21.23 | Gumby | [ 160] !WARN! PERL: Can't connect to irc.prison.net:6667! at /usr/share/perl5/Net/IRC.pm line 195 |
| 07:21.23 | Gumby | [ 161] !ERROR! internal: perl IRC connection object does not exist. |
| 07:21.28 | peterS | Gumby: risking simonrvn's wrath, I point out that ravenbird is another local blootbot which is owned by simonrvn. he might be able to give you hints |
| 07:21.46 | Billy | hi all |
| 07:21.59 | peterS | Gumby: dpkg and ravenbird are certainly both somewhat modified from the blootbot debian package |
| 07:22.12 | simonrvn | edit src/files/blootbot.config |
| 07:22.21 | simonrvn | they're both from CVS |
| 07:22.25 | Gumby | <PROTECTED> |
| 07:22.34 | Billy | i have a question, how i can mount a node (ttyAMC0) ?, its a cellphone, but i need browse that |
| 07:22.41 | Gumby | that is line 195 |
| 07:23.12 | mops_ | how it is with logging? |
| 07:23.19 | pipeline | Perl OO makes babies cry. |
| 07:23.40 | peterS | perl OO does not make babies cry. it makes smalltalk weenies cry |
| 07:23.56 | mops_ | because I configured logrotate to rotate my custom logfiles that were previously written by sysklogd |
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| 07:24.17 | mops_ | and when they was rotated, NOTHING from that time was written to them |
| 07:24.24 | mops_ | I can't understand this... |
| 07:24.28 | Gumby | simonrvn: my blootbot.config is just ./files/blootbot.config |
| 07:24.39 | simonrvn | yeh, whatever, that one |
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| 07:24.56 | Gumby | but I think its a pern-net-irc problem... " !ERROR! internal: perl IRC connection object does not exist." |
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| 07:25.24 | simonrvn | means it lost the connection for some reason. see the logs? |
| 07:25.26 | Gumby | unless I goofed on my config that I already edited |
| 07:26.04 | Gumby | that is from the logs |
| 07:26.06 | tracer | I have an hp deskjet, I grabbed the drivers off of sourceforge, and followed all of the instructions exactly, but when it asks for me to use /etc/init.d/hplip restart, it does not exits |
| 07:26.10 | tracer | exist* |
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| 07:26.29 | valdyn | jcc: Discovered open port 22/tcp on 81.131.130.105 |
| 07:26.46 | Gumby | maybe I should try cvs |
| 07:26.58 | Gumby | simonrvn: which version of perl-net-irc do you have installed |
| 07:27.15 | tracer | O, also, it expects me to have cups in the /etc/init.d/ but i also do not, probably not set up |
| 07:27.40 | greister_ | talk to tarzeau :how to start talksoup |
| 07:27.42 | Gumby | sorry, libnet-irc-perl |
| 07:27.57 | simonrvn | ii libnet-irc-perl 0.75-4 |
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| 07:28.29 | simonrvn | the script is named cupsys |
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| 07:28.42 | tracer | anyone have any ideas? anyone have an HP printer they have had to install under linux? |
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| 07:28.50 | Your | i do |
| 07:28.55 | Gumby | simonrvn: yep, same version here. Maybe I will just try cvs |
| 07:29.00 | Your | i have a hp officejet 1170cxi |
| 07:29.22 | tracer | your: did you install the hplip drivers? |
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| 07:29.37 | MyGhetek | mmm |
| 07:29.39 | MyGhetek | not sure |
| 07:29.43 | simonrvn | @tickle peterS |
| 07:29.46 | MyGhetek | it came in my knoppix distro |
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| 07:29.53 | simonrvn | whoah |
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| 07:30.35 | simonrvn | @tell TalkSoup -about root |
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| 07:30.45 | MyGhetek | i have a question about the terminal thing (im new to linux) |
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| 07:31.37 | aditza_sv | quit |
| 07:31.39 | simonrvn | well, you gonna ask the question? :) |
| 07:31.39 | aditza_sv | q |
| 07:31.44 | simonrvn | @quit |
| 07:31.49 | MyGhetek | how do i make a script |
| 07:31.56 | MyGhetek | like in windows like a batch? |
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| 07:32.01 | tarzeau | TalkSoup: hi :) |
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| 07:32.17 | simonrvn | s/he can't talk |
| 07:32.22 | MyGhetek | ive read over wget and a few other things and i want to make a batch type thing |
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| 07:33.07 | MyGhetek | i cant talk? |
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| 07:33.17 | tarzeau | MyGhetek: no, we can't hear you |
| 07:33.19 | simonrvn | not you... |
| 07:33.35 | MyGhetek | you cant hear me?! |
| 07:33.42 | tarzeau | MyGhetek: what? |
| 07:33.42 | MyGhetek | i dont know how to use irc damn it |
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| 07:33.55 | tarzeau | MyGhetek: we only see *** **** **** **** |
| 07:34.00 | renegad3 | where can I change it, so that in a vterm I can scroll more than 3 pages up? |
| 07:34.01 | MyGhetek | from me? |
| 07:34.11 | tarzeau | MyGhetek: **** *** ? |
| 07:34.22 | MyGhetek | sigh |
| 07:34.28 | ircdevil | i cant get ntpdate to work. i am trying these two servers: 212.242.86.186 192.38.7.240, anyone? |
| 07:34.38 | simonrvn | MyGhetek: &&& &&& &&&& &&&& ! |
| 07:34.47 | MyGhetek | i want to leave... |
| 07:34.48 | tracer | Can anyone help me set up my HP printer? |
| 07:34.55 | tarzeau | tracer: no |
| 07:35.04 | ircdevil | !faq tracer |
| 07:35.06 | dpkg | tracer: http://www.linuks.mine.nu/debian-faq-wiki/ |
| 07:35.10 | tarzeau | tracer: www.debian.org/consultants |
| 07:35.16 | simonrvn | MyGhetek: we were just kidding :). and no, it wasn't you i was talking about |
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| 07:35.21 | Crasp | !on-hold |
| 07:35.22 | MyGhetek | ah ok |
| 07:35.25 | ircdevil | !ntp |
| 07:35.25 | dpkg | ntp is probably the Network Time Protocol. Try "apt-get install ntpdate ntp" for basic usage. Use "pool.ntp.org" as your NTP server if you don't have one of your own already. (Make sure your time zone is right, with tzconfig, first.) See http://www.ntp.org/ or http://www.openntpd.org/ for more information. |
| 07:35.27 | MyGhetek | i was freakin out |
| 07:35.27 | Crasp | hmmpf |
| 07:35.28 | peterS | ircdevil: is there some reason you aren't just using nl.pool.ntp.org? |
| 07:35.36 | Crasp | what was the command again to put a package on hold? |
| 07:35.44 | tarzeau | !hold |
| 07:35.44 | dpkg | i heard hold is a status flag to tell apt not to automatically upgrade a package. apt will place packages on hold if they require packages that are not currently installable; you can 'apt-get install pkgname' to explicitly install the package. To put a package on hold, 'echo pkgname hold | dpkg --set-selections' or use the '=' key on the package in dselect. Use 'echo pkgname install | dpkg --set-selections' to remove the hold. |
| 07:35.45 | simonrvn | Crasp: /msg bot hold |
| 07:35.47 | Crasp | ah |
| 07:35.55 | Crasp | simonrvn: i tried on-hold and onhold ;) |
| 07:36.06 | Gumby | excellent. looks like CVS connects without error :) |
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| 07:36.29 | MyGhetek | so how do i make a script type thing? |
| 07:36.30 | TinoW | unhold |
| 07:36.31 | TinoW | ;) |
| 07:36.53 | MyGhetek | like... @echo? |
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| 07:37.01 | budluva | could someone please tell me how i would go about figuring out where a device is located in /dev/???? i just put in a 2nd hard drive and i couldnt tell if it got detected at boot or not.. |
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| 07:37.24 | nj | budluva: is it ata? |
| 07:37.26 | Gumby | simonrvn: thx for that bit of info |
| 07:37.48 | budluva | nj, yes |
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| 07:37.52 | simonrvn | MyGhetek: go look up some example scripts first. then read man sh as a guide to what you're seeing. then the advanced bash scripting howto at www.tldp.org |
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| 07:38.10 | MyGhetek | so it is sh? |
| 07:38.16 | MyGhetek | thats the extension? |
| 07:38.17 | nj | budluva: is it on the secondary controller? or the primary? |
| 07:38.49 | budluva | nj, its slave to my other master drive, both on the same controller, 1st hdd is HDC |
| 07:38.52 | to_ | hi, how to edit the debian menu? |
| 07:38.56 | simonrvn | MyGhetek: extensions aren't needed on *nix. they're useful for telling things apart, but not necessary (yes it is) |
| 07:39.06 | budluva | nj, my burner is /dev/hda my 1st hdd is /dev/hdc |
| 07:39.10 | budluva | nj, if that helps |
| 07:39.12 | ircdevil | peterS what is that? |
| 07:39.18 | nj | budluva: yes |
| 07:39.27 | nj | budluva: dmesg | grep hdd |
| 07:39.33 | peterS | ircdevil: nl.pool.ntp.org is a large set of public NTP servers in .nl |
| 07:39.45 | nj | budluva: from what you have told me it is /dev/hdd |
| 07:39.50 | budluva | want me to paste that in #flood |
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| 07:40.12 | ircdevil | peterS: hm, ok. now i do ntpdate nl.pool.ntp.org - and it says "28 Apr 10:02:44 ntpdate[7646]: the NTP socket is in use, exiting"? |
| 07:40.28 | budluva | nj, yeah, hdd is my maxtor, which is good |
| 07:40.36 | peterS | ircdevil: if the NTP socket is in use, probably you are running the ntp-server. stop it first, then run ntpdate, then restart it |
| 07:40.45 | nj | budluva: all good? |
| 07:41.03 | budluva | nj, how would i go about mounting that permantly so i dont have to mount it every boot? |
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| 07:41.18 | nj | budluva: what format is the drive? |
| 07:41.23 | ircdevil | peterS: do i want to run a ntp-server? i just want my clock set automatically (this rather expensive box has a lousy clock!) |
| 07:41.45 | karsten | nj: It's round, shiny, about 3.5" in diameter ... ;-) |
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| 07:41.47 | budluva | nj, its an old debian system |
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| 07:42.03 | nj | budluva: hrmm probably ext2 |
| 07:42.06 | delegator | hmmm |
| 07:42.09 | nj | budluva: find out what format it is |
| 07:42.10 | delegator | hmmh mhmhmh hmm |
| 07:42.10 | budluva | nj, well not old, its got sarge on it, so either ext2 or 3 |
| 07:42.12 | delegator | hey |
| 07:42.16 | delegator | anyone here use scheme? |
| 07:42.17 | karsten | budluva: add it to /etc/fstab with 'auto' as an option.' |
| 07:42.23 | ircdevil | peterS: ok - clock is set now. thx |
| 07:42.25 | peterS | ircdevil: yes, you probably do want to. you want to set up your local NTP server to use the same time sources as ntpdate, probably. see /etc/default/ntpdate and /etc/ntp.conf |
| 07:42.35 | karsten | delegator: Do we *look* like schemers to you? |
| 07:42.35 | pipeline | budluva: Anything new enough to be called "debian" is probably ext2. |
| 07:42.43 | budluva | nj, how do i find out what format? dmesg? |
| 07:42.45 | peterS | ircdevil: the idea is that at boot time, first ntpdate sets the clock, then ntpd starts up and keeps it accurate |
| 07:43.45 | peterS | ircdevil: just make sure 'server nl.pool.ntp.org' appears in /etc/ntp.conf. if you want to repeat that line, it'll use two separate servers from that pool of IP numbers. |
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| 07:44.29 | drac | WDT driver for the Winbond(TM) W83627HF Super I/O chip initialising. w83627hf WDT: initialized. timeout=60 sec (nowayout=0). What are these Watchdogs in kernel? One got loaded for same named chip I have on my lm-sensors. Timeout=60 sounds like it will shutdown something after 60seconds?! |
| 07:45.37 | ircdevil | peterS: ah ok. at some point the ntpd must have lost track of time because the servers i have should be valid. anyway, i am adding the nl server too. |
| 07:45.41 | jm_ | drac: read about it in kernel help |
| 07:45.52 | budluva | nj, how do i mount this drive properly? i've never had to mount a 2nd hdd |
| 07:45.55 | peterS | drac: it will, if the userspace watchdog daemon starts up and then doesn't ping the kernel driver every 60 seconds or less. which is to say, the machine has hung. then the hardware will automatically reboot the machine |
| 07:46.04 | jm_ | drac: and Documentation/watchdog/* |
| 07:46.40 | peterS | ircdevil: the *.pool.ntp.org servers are chosen for being accurate and reachable. I'd have no problem just trusting them |
| 07:47.16 | drac | peterS, jm_: That sounds like an useful option then. So better to leave in on, maybe configure the timeout a little longer just to make sure. |
| 07:47.19 | ircdevil | peterS: i did put the .nl server line twice before the ones i had :o) |
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| 07:47.35 | Xsquared | another go at postfix tonight. All > postfix. |
| 07:47.39 | peterS | drac: if a userspace process can't ping a kernel driver more often than once every 60 seconds, you *do* have issues |
| 07:47.41 | Xsquared | seeya's later |
| 07:48.02 | TinoW | with luck the servers with same tld are next to you in the network. But unfortunately its not always the case |
| 07:48.14 | peterS | drac: in the course of normal operation, a watchdog daemon shouldn't have any problem pinging the kernel every 2 seconds |
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| 07:49.21 | freaky_ | i just installed mailman from backports.org, it's giving errors during install and now I can't remove it. I'd like to go back to the stable 2.0.11 or solve this versions problems any suggestions? |
| 07:49.24 | drac | ok, good info. thnks. |
| 07:49.30 | peterS | drac: none of this works or is important unless you have a watchdog daemon installed and running. on Debian that means the 'watchdog' package |
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| 07:49.52 | simonrvn | freaky_: paste it in #flood |
| 07:50.12 | drac | I'll install it, try it out.. if I have issues, i'll just rmmod the module. |
| 07:50.42 | Tuttle | Is there a way of restricting aptitude to steal all the bandwidth for downloads? |
| 07:51.00 | peterS | drac: note that certain hardware watchdog implementations don't *let* you disarm the watchdog once it's set up. so if you remove the module you'll reboot the machine. I don't know if those are common though |
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| 07:52.17 | freaky_ | simonrvn: k thx |
| 07:52.35 | nj | budluva: mkdir /mnt/newdrive && mount /dev/hdd /mnt/newdrive |
| 07:52.45 | nj | budluva: however the drive might have more than 1 partition |
| 07:53.01 | nj | budluva: do you will have to fdisk /dev/hdd to see what partition is what :) |
| 07:53.03 | Funto | Please, help me to find correct megaraid.o module for RAID Controller "Intel RAID controller SRCU42X" |
| 07:53.10 | budluva | nj, yes it does as it was my old system hdd, so it will have / /var /home swap all that good stuff on it |
| 07:53.41 | Calvin | i hate the Debian.de channel! they are so *****! *sniff* |
| 07:53.41 | Calvin | is there an other german-help-channel? |
| 07:53.45 | Funto | I tryed many modules magaraid.o and nothing works correctly :( |
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| 07:54.10 | Funto | Pls Pls Pls :))) |
| 07:55.15 | budluva | nj, ok so i found out what partition i want |
| 07:55.28 | budluva | nj, /dev/hdd4 |
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| 07:55.49 | budluva | nice |
| 07:55.51 | budluva | its mounted now |
| 07:55.55 | budluva | nj, thanks for the help |
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| 07:57.39 | Gumby | simonrvn: I was wondering if you could help me out with one (ok two)more small things. I am trying to figure out where the command charcter is stored for blootbot and also where to change its ident |
| 07:57.50 | simonrvn | .config |
| 07:58.03 | simonrvn | oh, might also be in .chan |
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| 07:59.23 | Gumby | ay yes... addressCharacter |
| 07:59.39 | to_ | hi, how to edit the debian menu? |
| 08:01.58 | idealbsd | to_, /usr/lib/menu/ |
| 08:02.22 | Coke | I binary was compiled and linked to a library in /usr/local/lib and that path is in my ld.so.conf (and ldconfig has been run), but when I start the binary or check it with ldd it says it can't find the library. What might I have messed up here? |
| 08:02.32 | to_ | idealbsd: thx |
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| 08:03.06 | Gumby | simonrvn: is there anywhere that states what the user flags are for? |
| 08:03.15 | idealbsd | to_, zless /usr/share/doc/menu/menu.txt.gz |
| 08:03.22 | simonrvn | in the source |
| 08:03.23 | themolester | hello this is slightly off topic of debian, but i only need a point in the right direction... i am a loyal debian user, for servers, i recently got a extra pc to install a linux desktop on, a friend told me to try ubuntu i did, because i was told it was debian based, but found out it was not compatible with regular debian packages... would anyone know of a quality desktop distro based on debian, and compatible with standard debian re |
| 08:03.32 | simonrvn | sec |
| 08:03.35 | themolester | did yall get that whole line? it was a bit long |
| 08:03.50 | Gumby | "...compatible with standard debian r" |
| 08:03.50 | themolester | last word was repositories |
| 08:03.50 | peterS | themolester: "compatible with standard debian re" |
| 08:04.13 | themolester | heh, yep, stopped on the last word |
| 08:04.14 | themolester | heh |
| 08:04.23 | themolester | compatible with standard debian repositories |
| 08:04.35 | Agrajag- | so uh.. what's wrong with debian? |
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| 08:04.53 | themolester | i want a bit more sugar coated desktop |
| 08:04.59 | peterS | people seem pretty good at guessing the irc line length limits. when things get cut off you always find out it was just 2 or 3 words that got cut |
| 08:05.33 | themolester | as a server, i prefer it starting with next to nothing (as debian does) but as a desktop i would like a bit more automation, and ease of use |
| 08:05.45 | themolester | but i cant imagine getting along without the apt-get repositories |
| 08:05.59 | peterS | automation? you set everything up *once* |
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| 08:06.15 | themolester | no... like automounting of usb drives, a pretty interface |
| 08:06.18 | peterS | if you're comfortable doing that on a server, it shouldn't be that hard to do for desktop software |
| 08:06.22 | themolester | without spending weeks configuring |
| 08:06.25 | Agrajag- | themolester: it sounds to me like debian is what you want :P |
| 08:06.36 | peterS | oh *that* kind of automation. dunno, I don't use that stuff (: |
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| 08:06.56 | Agrajag- | otherwise ubuntu universe does have pretty much everything debian has |
| 08:06.58 | themolester | its a desktop, it cant be a pain |
| 08:07.03 | nj | budluva: to automatically mount it at boot man /etc/fstab |
| 08:07.15 | budluva | nj, yah i already added a line to fstab |
| 08:07.24 | nj | budluva: gw :) |
| 08:07.25 | themolester | nj who has their usb drives in when they start up |
| 08:07.28 | themolester | and never removes it |
| 08:07.28 | themolester | heh |
| 08:07.33 | budluva | nj, /dev/hdd4 /mnt/hdd ext2 auto |
| 08:07.45 | nj | themolester: this was a additional ata drive |
| 08:07.56 | nj | themolester: use hald anyways :P sif fstab |
| 08:07.58 | themolester | i'm talking about keychain variety |
| 08:07.59 | themolester | :) |
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| 08:08.52 | nj | themolester: ? |
| 08:08.52 | budluva | nj, after im done transferring the files i need from this drive i plan on formatting it and using it as free space, what do you suggest? make it 1 partition of ext2??? and where do you suggest i put it? |
| 08:08.53 | themolester | that was only one example, a lot of the desktop distro alternatives have some neat shit that is either scarcely documented, or difficult to do |
| 08:09.07 | themolester | nj a usb flash drive, goes on your keychain |
| 08:09.19 | budluva | nj, as in should i just mount it to /home/budluva/hdd or what? |
| 08:09.20 | nj | themolester: oh |
| 08:09.21 | themolester | or... were you not talking to me |
| 08:09.22 | themolester | heh |
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| 08:09.25 | nj | themolester: i know |
| 08:09.44 | nj | budluva: hrmm |
| 08:09.46 | nj | budluva: i would |
| 08:09.50 | tarzeau | has someone got the need to install 2+ debian machines? |
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| 08:10.48 | nj | budluva: mount it as automactically as root to /mnt/storage and then create a folder for your user and you can write to it |
| 08:10.50 | budluva | nj, ok |
| 08:11.00 | nj | budluva: you just chmod and chown the dir appropriately |
| 08:11.02 | budluva | nj, eh? |
| 08:11.05 | ircdevil | tarzeau: install debain on several blank boxes? |
| 08:11.16 | tarzeau | ircdevil: yes (must be i386 though) |
| 08:11.18 | themolester | so any suggestions for some debian desktop distros me to look into ? |
| 08:11.25 | tarzeau | ircdevil: i've got some automated installer i want to document/test |
| 08:11.59 | ircdevil | tarzeau: hmmmm - aint there shops that deliver machines with debian preinstalled? (links on www.debian.org?) |
| 08:12.44 | bob2 | themolester: Debian |
| 08:12.51 | bob2 | ubuntu is also nicely put together |
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| 08:13.22 | tarzeau | ircdevil: that's not what i want |
| 08:13.37 | tarzeau | ircdevil: i don't want i386 hardware, i want to test some software, document that software and have it in main |
| 08:14.11 | tarzeau | ircdevil: it's about this: http://www.phys.ethz.ch/~franklin/Projects/dphys3/ |
| 08:14.11 | ircdevil | tarzeau: i would love to try an build a cluster based on debian. i just dont have hardware for it atm |
| 08:14.26 | tarzeau | ircdevil: two computers? |
| 08:14.35 | themolester | bob2 but i've heared they are not compatible with debian repositories |
| 08:14.46 | tarzeau | ircdevil: the don't need be fast or new, any will do, one needs a netbootable nic |
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| 08:15.05 | nj | tarzeau: i will |
| 08:15.14 | tarzeau | nj: ok now? |
| 08:15.19 | themolester | and the static snapshot they have of a repository, is not gonna be good when new programs come out |
| 08:15.39 | bob2 | themolester: of course, you use the ubuntu repositories |
| 08:15.39 | tarzeau | nj: i will guide you: install tftpd dhcp3-server and this http://www.phys.ethz.ch/~franklin/Projects/dphys3_20050415.131020-1_all.deb |
| 08:15.43 | bob2 | themolester: er, don't be silly |
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| 08:16.00 | bob2 | themolester: if you feel that you must have the latest broken crap, use the unstable release of ubuntu |
| 08:16.21 | karsten | Which ncurses-dev package is require for make-kpkg's menuconfig? |
| 08:16.35 | themolester | yes, but nobodys repositories are as large as debians :) |
| 08:16.35 | bob2 | karsten: libncurses5-dev |
| 08:16.37 | simonrvn | libncurses5-dev |
| 08:16.46 | bob2 | themolester: have a look and see |
| 08:16.49 | simonrvn | helps to type into the right window... |
| 08:16.50 | tarzeau | themolester: the don't use nobody elses repo but debians |
| 08:16.58 | karsten | bob2: Thanks. |
| 08:17.03 | nj | tarzeau: i cant atm |
| 08:17.05 | themolester | :) |
| 08:17.10 | tarzeau | nj: tell me when you've got time |
| 08:17.10 | karsten | bob2: Did you catch my #ubuntu comment WRT /topic? |
| 08:17.15 | streuner | !ubuntusmite bob2 |
| 08:17.19 | bob2 | karsten: no |
| 08:17.33 | themolester | well i guess ill try ubuntu since i alreaddy got a disk for it |
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| 08:17.43 | karsten | bob2: If there are channel bots, could you add them to /topic, please. |
| 08:17.53 | tarzeau | themolester: you also want to try livecd.gnustep.org ? |
| 08:17.57 | karsten | themolester: Debian should rebrand its repositories as "balls". |
| 08:17.59 | bob2 | karsten: there are no useful ones in #ubuntu |
| 08:18.33 | karsten | bob2: OK. |
| 08:18.40 | streuner | themolester: feel free to download knoppx - live CD's too |
| 08:18.49 | streuner | s/knoppx/knoppix/ |
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| 08:19.24 | Gumby | simonrvn: I assume blootbot has to have commands fed to it via dcc chat? like for joining channels and adding users (asuming I dont want to do it over IRC) |
| 08:19.41 | nj | tarzeau: is it a cluster in debian? |
| 08:19.48 | ia3264 | how do i check which file system im using |
| 08:19.49 | simonrvn | you can do it via /query | /msg |
| 08:20.03 | simonrvn | the dcc chat is borked anyway |
| 08:20.08 | streuner | ia3264: mount |
| 08:20.28 | ia3264 | ext3 |
| 08:20.51 | ia3264 | last time i had ext2, wonder if ext4 will come out |
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| 08:21.14 | themolester | streuner is knoppix compatible with debian repos? |
| 08:21.44 | Gumby | hrm. it doesnt seem to be listening to me in /msg. If I use the addressCharacter it tells me not ot use it in private message. If I dont use it nothing happens at all. If I use .command still nothing happens |
| 08:21.47 | individuality | dont know about ext4, but i like xfs |
| 08:22.00 | streuner | themolester: NO, if you going to use any ohter repos, others than debian official sources, you could get problems then. |
| 08:22.47 | pipeline | ia3264: Well, there were about ten years between the initial releases of ext2 and ext3, so I wouldn't hold your breath. |
| 08:22.52 | streuner | themolester: knoppix or ubuntu USE there OWN packages, mixing those packages cause HEADACHES |
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| 08:23.45 | pipeline | themolester: Knoppix is definitely NOT compatible, in that you're quite likely to hose the system mixing packages. Ubuntu isn't quite that bad, but I wouldn't want to try it. |
| 08:23.49 | Gumby | simonrvn: it also seems that anyone can add into |
| 08:23.51 | Gumby | info |
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| 08:24.05 | themolester | ok, thank you for the information |
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| 08:25.17 | simonrvn | Gumby: yes |
| 08:25.23 | tarzeau | nj: it is software that installs a debian system (with the packages you want, without any question) |
| 08:25.47 | simonrvn | Gumby: in potential anyway. there's various measures you can take to protect it JIC |
| 08:25.51 | tarzeau | nj: i would like to have it extended to be able to say only use n % or mb of the disk |
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| 08:26.25 | Gumby | simonrvn: is there somewhere I can read about all of this? I'm getting lost in the src directory that seems to have some info but not what I am looking for |
| 08:26.35 | huggie | Who is the OPN^WFreenode contact for Debian? |
| 08:26.35 | ia3264 | dvd is iso9660 just like cd's right? |
| 08:26.35 | simonrvn | d-lined? |
| 08:26.45 | streuner | prolly a joke from him |
| 08:26.53 | nj | tarzeau: hrmm i dont get it exactly? |
| 08:27.00 | nj | tarzeau: install 2 systemsthat same? |
| 08:27.02 | tarzeau | huggie: like what? |
| 08:27.17 | tarzeau | nj: you have one server that sends kernel and configuration |
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| 08:27.29 | tarzeau | nj: and n clients in the same network that get installed by the server + debian sources |
| 08:27.39 | streuner | lilo: connection problems? |
| 08:27.43 | huggie | tarzeau: I need to find someone to liaise with freenode for #debian-xfce so we can get it moved to the people who are part of the alioth pkg-xfce-debian pacakge and not advertising the osworks packages on join. |
| 08:27.59 | simonrvn | Gumby: the source is the docs right now. plus one of the devs and/or maintainers |
| 08:28.01 | nj | tarzeau: i see now :D |
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| 08:28.11 | nj | tarzeau: like for a network with a billion pcs |
| 08:28.15 | simonrvn | lilo: d-lined yourself? |
| 08:28.18 | tarzeau | nj: well we use it for 150 |
| 08:28.21 | huggie | Madkiss would seem to be the obvious choice as he's staff here but he's very busy. |
| 08:28.22 | nj | tarzeau: ill see if i get time but i cant grauntee |
| 08:28.24 | tarzeau | nj: but yes for n pcs |
| 08:28.37 | lilo | simonrvn: testing a solution to an issue |
| 08:28.46 | simonrvn | *nods* |
| 08:29.17 | lilo | does someone have an issue requiring freenode staff? I'm only the head of staff but I can try to address it 8) |
| 08:29.25 | huggie | hi lilo |
| 08:29.52 | lilo | hello huggie |
| 08:29.52 | simonrvn | nope |
| 08:29.52 | nj | travisat: yeah i got a celeron 1ghz and a celeron800 doing nothing |
| 08:29.52 | lilo | simonrvn: kay |
| 08:29.52 | huggie | lilo: Fancy changing #debian-xfce to be owned by one of the people in it? |
| 08:30.01 | Funto | What kernel in 30r5? |
| 08:30.06 | Funto | Kernel version |
| 08:30.10 | karsten | lilo: Sure. More "thanks for flying freenode" messages. |
| 08:30.16 | huggie | lilo: it's obnoxiously advertising other packages which aren't the product of the alioth project that's doing xfce stuff in Debian now. |
| 08:30.19 | lilo | huggie: I'm not sure what part of the Debian Project is responsible for that, but I guess you can start with the DPL and work down |
| 08:30.37 | huggie | lilo: I thought you had a liaison between you and Debian? |
| 08:30.38 | nj | tarzeau: i got a server already a deb one i could run the server on there? and then just setup a client? |
| 08:30.43 | huggie | lilo: you don't know who that is then? |
| 08:30.46 | tarzeau | nj: yes |
| 08:30.48 | lilo | huggie: yup, but I'm not sure who you consult on the Debian side |
| 08:30.54 | simonrvn | Funto: 2.4.18 is the latest, unless you build upstream |
| 08:30.57 | tarzeau | nj: you'd need the dphys3 package, tftpd and dhcp3-server |
| 08:30.59 | lilo | huggie: they're a liason with us; Debian would have to post a liason on its side |
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| 08:31.13 | tarzeau | lilo: 20channels/nick limit is going up anytime? |
| 08:31.14 | huggie | lilo: oh right. Me, Madkiss, ema. Whoever. |
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| 08:31.31 | huggie | lilo: who is the freenode Debian liaison? |
| 08:32.11 | lilo | http://freenode.net/group_privacy.shtml |
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| 08:32.32 | lilo | what you actually want is the person in Debian who handles that stuff, not their liason with us |
| 08:32.52 | lilo | I can check with them....what exactly did you need done? |
| 08:33.23 | lilo | tarzeau: I think there's a patch committed to do that |
| 08:33.52 | huggie | lilo: ah I see cloak and daggers eh. |
| 08:33.59 | lilo | huggie: nope.... group privacy |
| 08:34.12 | tarzeau | lilo: and known date? |
| 08:34.22 | tarzeau | s,d,y,1 |
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| 08:34.37 | lilo | tarzeau: no known date at this time, we struggle along with what coder time we have to get those changes made |
| 08:34.41 | f00bar | is there any way I can keep an eye on who is connecting to my wireless network? |
| 08:35.08 | boycer | f00bar: maybe nmap would do, but it's a bit heavy |
| 08:35.17 | boycer | f00bar: doh - ntop |
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| 08:35.50 | f00bar | lol |
| 08:35.56 | f00bar | i was thinking, nmap!? |
| 08:36.05 | boycer | it's early... |
| 08:36.12 | f00bar | is ntop anything like iftop? |
| 08:36.27 | boycer | not sure. What's iftop :) |
| 08:36.27 | tarzeau | f00bar: arpwatch ? |
| 08:36.43 | Funto | simonrvn: 2.4.20 in 30r0! |
| 08:37.13 | simonrvn | !find vmlinuz woody |
| 08:37.17 | dpkg | Debian Search of 'vmlinuz' (6 of 19): (/usr/share/mindi/vmlinuz) in utils/mindi ;; (/boot/vmlinuz-2.2.20) in base/kernel-image-2.2.20 ;; (/boot/vmlinuz-2.4.18-k6) in base/kernel-image-2.4.18-k6 ;; (/boot/vmlinuz-2.4.18-k7) in base/kernel-image-2.4.18-k7 ;; (/boot/vmlinuz-2.4.16-k7) in base/kernel-image-2.4.16-k7 ;; (/boot/vmlinuz-2.4.16-k6) in base/kernel-image-2.4.16-k6. |
| 08:37.23 | Raf256 | is there some program like "tail -f" but more comfortable - to open a X window and watch log of my oprogram in it? |
| 08:37.40 | renegad3 | where can I change it, so that in a vterm I can scroll more than 3 pages up? |
| 08:38.03 | streuner | Raf256: root-tail |
| 08:38.12 | simonrvn | Funto: 2.*2*.20 |
| 08:40.08 | f00bar | arpwatch seems interesting |
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| 08:40.26 | rixth | How do I show the menu bar the gnome-terminal if I've hidden it? |
| 08:40.35 | peterS | rixth: right-click |
| 08:40.49 | rixth | peterS, thanks again! |
| 08:41.02 | f00bar | anything similar to arpwatch, but specifically for wireless? |
| 08:41.10 | nj | tarzeau: hrmm |
| 08:41.13 | nj | tarzeau: ill look into it |
| 08:41.14 | nj | :P |
| 08:41.43 | ia3264 | is iso pronouced eye-so or i.s.o |
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| 08:41.55 | rixth | Here's a tougher one, how can I hide the "Computer" icon on the desktop? |
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| 08:42.08 | bob2 | ia3264: depends |
| 08:42.13 | rixth | ia3264, I say i.s.o |
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| 08:42.36 | benjamindees | is there documentation that outlines the use of the Debian trademark? |
| 08:42.36 | ia3264 | me too but this guy keeps sayin eye-so |
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| 08:43.25 | karsten | ia3264: eye-so. |
| 08:43.36 | ia3264 | iso horny' |
| 08:43.36 | Coke | I'm running a Sarge installation and ldconfig does not find any libraries in /usr/local/lib even though they are there. When I set the runtime path manually when linking my binary to the libraries in /usr/local/lib it works, but I want it to work automatically via ldconfig. It seems ldconfig is broken, any suggestions? |
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| 08:43.58 | karsten | ia3264: bob2 talks funny anyway. |
| 08:43.59 | bob2 | "does not find"? how so? |
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| 08:45.06 | bob2 | benjamindees: you can use it to refer to Debian |
| 08:45.12 | ndee | hi there, how can I reinstall a package? Package is in a very bad inconsistent state - you should |
| 08:45.12 | ndee | <PROTECTED> |
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| 08:45.22 | bob2 | what happened to it? |
| 08:45.22 | benjamindees | bob2, yes, I knew that; but otherwise... |
| 08:45.23 | nksen | lo! I set the perms of my homedir to 750. group is 'nksen'. now I added the user 'www-data' (under which my apache runs) to the group 'nksen'. though I'm not able to access my homepage under /home/nksen/public_html/. how can I flush the group permissions? |
| 08:45.29 | ndee | I tried dpkg --help and apt-get --help but didnt' found anything. |
| 08:45.31 | bob2 | benjamindees: then you can't use it |
| 08:46.00 | jethro | moin moin |
| 08:46.10 | benjamindees | bob2, I ask because a certain company sells something called "Certain Company Debian" |
| 08:46.17 | streuner | ndee: man dpkg |
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| 08:47.53 | pipeline | benjamindees: The copyrights on the logos are held by SPI, and are distributed under a pretty open license. I'm not sure the name itself is actually trademarked. Either way, they're probably not doing anything wrong unless the project demanded they stop and they refused to do so. |
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| 08:48.57 | benjamindees | pipeline, this says "Debian" is a trademark: http://www.debian.org/license |
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| 08:49.08 | knapp | where can I get good help about tomcat/apoache mod_jk1.2 ? |
| 08:49.24 | bob2 | it is |
| 08:49.35 | bob2 | benjamindees: I guess the debian-legal list is the best place to bring it up |
| 08:49.43 | bob2 | benjamindees: SPI (spi-inc.org) also has a trademark list |
| 08:49.50 | benjamindees | bob2, sounds good to me; thanks |
| 08:49.53 | rixth | How can I hide the "Computer" icon on the desktop? |
| 08:50.32 | streuner | rixth: GNOME? |
| 08:50.47 | Funto | Please, Who knows where I can download the correct scsi driver module (es) for intel SRCU42X RAID? I tryed intel driver, debian driver, others, which I found in google. Notheing worked |
| 08:50.57 | rixth | streuner, Indeed |
| 08:51.07 | Funto | I think, that driver must be megaraid.o |
| 08:51.22 | rixth | streuner, and turn off spatial mode in Nautilus |
| 08:51.27 | tarzeau | nj: cool |
| 08:52.53 | directhex|work | Funto, modules need to be compiled for an EXACT kernel. you can't just get a generic .o off the net |
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| 08:54.19 | Funto | I can use insmod tool with ignore version compatible rules |
| 08:54.27 | bob2 | ew |
| 08:54.28 | pipeline | Funto: Never use insmod, use modprobe. |
| 08:54.46 | pipeline | Funto: Usually, in linux, your distribution comes with all the drivers you need. |
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| 08:54.58 | gilles | hello all |
| 08:55.01 | pipeline | Funto: When you're off downloading drivers on the internet, that's a sign that things are going to get ugly. |
| 08:55.16 | pipeline | Funto: If you're using a debian kernel, you should just be able to run "modprobe megaraid" and not have to fool with anything. |
| 08:55.25 | gilles | is there documentation on the stage of testing ? because i don't want to upgrade if it create mess |
| 08:55.40 | directhex|work | Funto, i think i know what the problem is here |
| 08:55.44 | Funto | Hm... I'll try now... |
| 08:56.19 | streuner | gilles: try BTS |
| 08:56.27 | gilles | BTS? |
| 08:56.37 | streuner | !bts |
| 08:56.37 | dpkg | extra, extra, read all about it, bts is the Bug Tracking System for Debian packages, http://bugs.debian.org/ or to go directly to the bug page for a particular package, try http://bugs.debian.org/packagename or anyone running unstable who's unable to check the BTS should be shot on sight. apt-get install reportbug, and check out querybts too. sid users, apt-get install apt-listbugs, or apt-get install apt-listchanges |
| 08:57.00 | gilles | thanks! |
| 08:57.15 | inu | someone should make 'bts?' trigger !bts it's just so common.. |
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| 08:57.47 | directhex|work | Funto, the intel SRCU42X is mentionned in my kernel-source-2.6.8/drivers/scsi/megaraid/megaraid_mbox.c |
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| 08:57.54 | directhex|work | Funto, which version of debian are you trying to use? |
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| 08:58.33 | directhex|work | i lie, it's in 2.6.11, but not 2.6.8 |
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| 08:59.51 | wombachi | (with kernel-image-2.4.27-1-686) what does mean "spurious 8259A interrupt: IRQ7"? Can this be related to usb timeouts? |
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| 09:00.08 | caphuso | wombachi: ignore it |
| 09:00.55 | digibox_ | Can you install debian to HD from a debian net boot? |
| 09:01.06 | pipeline | Yes. |
| 09:01.08 | bob2 | ure |
| 09:01.08 | caphuso | digibox_: sure |
| 09:01.24 | directhex|work | !-1- |
| 09:01.25 | trentbuck | A netboot is just a reduced install CD, isn't it? |
| 09:01.29 | directhex|work | hmph |
| 09:01.51 | directhex|work | wombachi, don't use a -1- kernel, use a -2- kernel. the -1-'s are insecure & obsolete |
| 09:01.58 | wombachi | caphuso ok. but what could cause "usb_control/bulk_msg: timeout" or "usbdevfs: USBDEVFS_CONTROL failed dev 2.."? |
| 09:01.59 | digibox_ | well just was wondering. is there any documentation on how to do so? |
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| 09:02.42 | wombachi | directhex|work you're right. I'll upgrade to -2 (but it's a local server, so cant do this right now.. |
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| 09:03.28 | wombachi | digibox_ http://www.debian.org/distrib/netinst ? |
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| 09:04.39 | directhex|work | !d-i digibox |
| 09:04.40 | dpkg | digibox, you want to go to http://www.debian.org/devel/debian-installer/ - for your own good, and everyone else's. |
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| 09:05.01 | directhex|work | Funto, your raid controller is natively supported by linux 2.6.9 |
| 09:05.09 | directhex|work | or higher |
| 09:05.48 | cafuego | no, seriously |
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| 09:07.22 | Funto | directhex|work: I'm downloading now 30r5, 30r0 was previosly used. You said, that you using kernel 2.6.8. I must buld own distributive from ISO? Or I can compile and load kernel from floppy? Do you have tutorial or URL to distributive building help-page? |
| 09:07.47 | directhex|work | Funto, debian 3.0 does not support 2.6 kernels |
| 09:08.35 | streuner | Funto: /msg dpkg ig |
| 09:08.49 | Funto | I'm novice in Debian. I know FreeBSD system very well, but I haven't jobs with Linux until this day... |
| 09:08.53 | directhex|work | !woody hardware support |
| 09:08.53 | dpkg | woody hardware support is, like, firmly rooted around its freeze date - January 2002. It won't support new graphics cards (Geforce 4 or higher), disk controllers (Serial ATA), disks over 137Gb (LBA48), sound cards (nForce2), ethernet (nForce*), wireless net interfaces (Bluetooth), etc. Just run Sarge. |
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| 09:09.19 | directhex|work | i'm not so sure about the sarge bit, if this is a front-facing server machine |
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| 09:10.42 | torc | how do i see changelog of gcc-3.3 package? |
| 09:10.57 | bob2 | look in the changelog file |
| 09:11.06 | bob2 | <PROTECTED> |
| 09:11.06 | torc | where is it situated? |
| 09:11.11 | streuner | torc: apt-get install apt-listchanges to see next time |
| 09:11.14 | torc | oh, thanks :) |
| 09:11.16 | directhex|work | damn you bob2, beat me to it |
| 09:11.33 | torc | directhex|work: get yourself a trigger ;) |
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| 09:23.44 | karsten | Is there a utility to show currently exported NFS shares? |
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| 09:24.04 | directhex|work | exportfs? |
| 09:24.29 | f00bar | what are people's mail-transport-agent preferences, I'm looking for something lightweight |
| 09:24.57 | benjamindees | postfix |
| 09:24.59 | PerfDave | f00bar: I've never had a reason to change from exim. |
| 09:25.00 | petemc | exim! |
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| 09:25.37 | f00bar | and what's the difference between exim-light and exim-heavy (apart from the obvious description ;) ) |
| 09:25.45 | benjamindees | smail is nice if you mean *really* lightweight |
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| 09:26.28 | ia3264 | if all i have is linux on a machine do i just check 'use no bootloader' in the installation, or should i use grub anyway |
| 09:26.48 | f00bar | ia3264: put grub on, otherwise you wont be able to get in at all! |
| 09:26.52 | benjamindees | ia3264, yes you need a bootloader |
| 09:26.54 | PerfDave | f00bar: apt-cache show exim-light exim-heavy # read the descriptions |
| 09:26.56 | g4rf | hi , I try openmosix and I've got the message 'This is NOT a MOSIX system!', I make a kernel-2.4.22 with debian kernel-patch-openmosix, any idea ? (I use testing) |
| 09:27.01 | f00bar | ia3264: maybe investigate syslinux |
| 09:27.07 | petemc | f00bar: one has support for different databases etc compiled in, it used to have the exiscan patch too, but thats been folded into exim itself |
| 09:27.09 | ia3264 | why would there ever be an option for no bootloader |
| 09:27.11 | f00bar | PerfDave: k |
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| 09:27.50 | petemc | ia3264: someone might already have a bootloader |
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| 09:28.05 | directhex|work | i like the beos bootloader |
| 09:28.43 | benjamindees | ia3264, if you have another os installed already, you can use its bootloader |
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| 09:29.53 | Jeo | hello, I can connect my debina using ftp in windows browser, but the link folder are not shown |
| 09:30.04 | Jeo | someone could tell me why? |
| 09:30.34 | Jeo | connecting with normal ftp client progs its no prob |
| 09:30.39 | ia3264 | so if im doing a dual boot system and windows is already installed. i pick 'use no bootloader'? |
| 09:31.05 | benjamindees | ia3264, if you know how to add Debian to the windows bootloader, then yes |
| 09:31.23 | streuner | ia3264: in this case, use grub or lilo as bootloader |
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| 09:31.28 | ignatz | can i insert static routes into debian somehow like you do with windows -p option ? |
| 09:31.29 | vanboven | Normally, choose a linux boorloader it will recognize and add Windows as a startup option |
| 09:31.42 | ia3264 | k |
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| 09:31.59 | alvaro | hola |
| 09:32.05 | idc | I recompiled kernel ..maybe i have done something wrong but now i do 'lsmod',it says 'lsmod: QM_MODULES: Function not implemented', any idea ? |
| 09:32.21 | Nemoder | ignatz: man route |
| 09:32.22 | streuner | !qm_modules |
| 09:32.23 | dpkg | install module-init-tools, or <Justin_> like I said a while ago, it should be QM_ID10T_MODULES, or ask me about <bunk 2.6> |
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| 09:32.44 | idc | streuner, oh :) |
| 09:32.51 | wombachi | ignatz use the route command (works on every linux afaik) |
| 09:32.57 | idc | streuner, you mean i do that before compiling kernel or now ? |
| 09:33.03 | streuner | idc: what debian distro do you use? |
| 09:33.08 | idc | sarge |
| 09:33.08 | streuner | idc: yes |
| 09:33.22 | vanboven | ia3274: Ofcourse this is distribution dependant (the installer system has to do this), but I haven't seen any distribution do this wrong the last few years. |
| 09:33.26 | idc | i don't get it,you say i do it now ? |
| 09:33.32 | neoXite | can i use iptables to do lan-routing? (not NAT-routing, just routing between two ip networks) |
| 09:33.46 | streuner | idc: apt-get install module-init-tools |
| 09:33.46 | bob2 | no |
| 09:33.47 | g4rf | Jeo, which browser do you use ? |
| 09:33.50 | idc | ok |
| 09:33.53 | bob2 | neoXite: you use routing for that |
| 09:33.58 | ignatz | Nemoder: but they vanish after rebooting |
| 09:34.06 | ia3264 | will grub regnize any o/s or only certain ones like windows |
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| 09:34.19 | neoXite | bob2: and iptables can't do that? what do i need then? |
| 09:34.31 | bob2 | neoXite: iptables isn't routing software |
| 09:34.36 | bob2 | it's packet mangling |
| 09:34.39 | Nemoder | ignatz: put a script in /etc/init.d to set it on startup then |
| 09:34.44 | ignatz | hmm k |
| 09:34.46 | PerfDave | ia3264: grub can chainload anything, as far as I know. |
| 09:34.56 | bob2 | neoXite: use the 'route' command |
| 09:34.59 | bob2 | neoXite: or ip route |
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| 09:35.55 | neoXite | i thought route was just good for setting routes for the local system |
| 09:35.59 | nomed^ | hi |
| 09:36.08 | bob2 | neoXite: it's for configuring the kernel routing table |
| 09:36.11 | nomed^ | i have a list like ii <name> <number> <comment> .. i would have an output with just <name> is it possible with sed? |
| 09:36.27 | TinoW | I guess you can fake routing with iptables ;) |
| 09:36.29 | nomed^ | do you know how to do that? |
| 09:36.43 | bob2 | Nurbs: use awk |
| 09:36.47 | bob2 | nomed^: |
| 09:36.53 | streuner | nomed^: google for sed howto or awk howto |
| 09:36.54 | karsten | nomed^: 'awk '{print $2}' |
| 09:37.06 | streuner | or that :-) |
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| 09:37.35 | neoXite | does anybody know a good howto for doing lan-routing? |
| 09:37.46 | PerfDave | neoXite: /msg dpkg lartc |
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| 09:37.52 | ia3264 | i cant decide if i wanna make a dualboot system or get vmware |
| 09:37.58 | bob2 | neoXite: www.tldp.org, networking howto |
| 09:38.00 | PerfDave | ia3264: Dual booting is cheaper :) |
| 09:38.21 | ia3264 | but vmware would let me use windows and linux at the same time which would be extremely handy |
| 09:38.23 | simonrvn | ldapsearch -Y GSSAPI -LLL |
| 09:38.25 | neoXite | thx |
| 09:38.26 | ia3264 | im not sure wine would cut it |
| 09:38.34 | idc | Anyone has a cirrus logic cs46xx sound card ? mine works,but only through the rears/front channel so the volume is bloody low ,how can i switch to headphone mode ? |
| 09:38.53 | Nemoder | vmware has limitations also, no sound/opengl and can be pretty slow |
| 09:39.04 | idc | I am using a headphone,connecting to the headphone port on sound card |
| 09:39.04 | benjamindees | ia3264, obviously depends on what you will use it for |
| 09:39.07 | ia3264 | you cant have sound with vmware? |
| 09:39.19 | Nemoder | not last I checked |
| 09:39.23 | ia3264 | and it costs money? thats whack |
| 09:39.27 | andy00 | Hello everyone I'm having trouble installing nVidia drivers (all) which is causing I think big problems I have a assus motherboard with nVidia chipset plus a fx5200 AGP card I think i'm trying to install drivers to late in setup the only i am able access internet now I'm using mipis live cd with hda mounted to look at files |
| 09:40.00 | simonrvn | weeee |
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| 09:40.22 | PerfDave | andy00: Hang on. Which version of Debian are you trying to install, for starters? |
| 09:40.36 | idc | i have checked online,many people have problem with sound card based on cs46xx on linux ...hmm |
| 09:40.54 | inu | ia3264, vmware had sound 3 years ago, i somehow doubt it's lost that ability since then |
| 09:40.57 | andy00 | well I've tried new and old kernel's |
| 09:41.01 | idc | if i am lucky that anyone has the same type of sound card and got it worked properly here ? |
| 09:41.02 | simonrvn | now to get the kdc to look elsewhere for princs |
| 09:41.05 | ia3264 | itd be nice if i could have a dual boot system and when im in windows still be able to use vmware to *access my linux partition*! |
| 09:41.18 | ia3264 | instead of having to make a separate one. then i could have best of both worlds |
| 09:41.39 | petemc | ia3264: there are numerous ways to achieve that without having to emulate a full os |
| 09:41.43 | PerfDave | ia3264: There are tools for Windows to access ext3 partitions. |
| 09:41.52 | ia3264 | hmm |
| 09:42.04 | PerfDave | andy00: Which version of Debian are you trying to install, and what are you trying to install it from? |
| 09:42.05 | ia3264 | but that would just be to copy files right? |
| 09:42.18 | ia3264 | i'd want a full on shell with all the commands available to me |
| 09:42.22 | PerfDave | ia3264: I'm sorry, I thought you wanted to access your linux partition. |
| 09:42.36 | ia3264 | yes but reallly access it |
| 09:42.45 | ia3264 | like ssh'ing to it if you could |
| 09:42.52 | ia3264 | the equiv of that |
| 09:43.07 | PerfDave | ia3264: No, you want to be able to boot your Linux installation from within Windows. That's not the same as accessing your Linux partition from Windows. |
| 09:43.26 | ia3264 | because i use photoshop alot and gimp isnt my thing. so i neeed to be in windows most of the time since im sure wine wont work |
| 09:43.34 | benjamindees | lol, http://lists.debian.org/debian-project/2005/04/msg00326.html |
| 09:43.45 | andy00 | The 8 cd set first #5 but i can't access internet then # 1 but then i have internet but no x |
| 09:43.56 | idc | hi petemc ,there ? :) |
| 09:43.56 | f00bar | hm, if I'm mainly using exim to allow other programs to email me how should i set it up, should I choose the "internet site" option |
| 09:44.01 | PerfDave | ia3264: Why are you sure? I'm pretty sure I've heard of people running Photoshop under WINE / Cedega |
| 09:44.05 | PerfDave | andy00: Which version of Debian are you trying to install, and what are you trying to install it from? |
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| 09:44.12 | wombachi | is it true I should use 2.6, not 2.4 kernels to use USB 2.0 (needed for backups)? |
| 09:44.25 | ia3264 | running it maybe, but i use it seriously and i doubt it'd hold up, but i guess i could try |
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| 09:44.48 | andy00 | the newest cd set's |
| 09:45.02 | PerfDave | andy00: Where did you download these CD sets from? |
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| 09:45.18 | PerfDave | f00bar: If you're not using it to receive mail via SMTP, and you're not using it to relay mail to other machines, then you probably want the "standalone machine" option, whatever it's called. |
| 09:45.25 | idc | petemc, im gonna replace another sound card and take this cs4624 out,since i have done 'make modules_install',what do i do or is there possible to dump all of the old module related to sound off of the system competely ? |
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| 09:45.30 | Nemoder | ahh vmware does have sound support, it's just disabled by default |
| 09:45.31 | andy00 | debin site |
| 09:45.38 | PerfDave | andy00: WHERE on the Debian site? |
| 09:45.59 | ia3264 | nemoder yeah i think it has everything if you install vmware tools (which means you have to be in X though) |
| 09:46.01 | f00bar | PerfDave: ha, if only there was such an option |
| 09:46.11 | ia3264 | but you'd be in X for multimedia stuff anyway |
| 09:46.12 | andy00 | down load full set mirror |
| 09:46.34 | petemc | idc: select the modules you want in menuconfig, unselect the ones you no longer need, make modules modules_install ; depmod -a |
| 09:46.42 | PerfDave | f00bar: "local delivery only; not on a network" |
| 09:46.50 | PerfDave | andy00: FFS, give me a URL. |
| 09:46.53 | idc | depmod -a ? |
| 09:47.18 | f00bar | PerfDave: but I do want to mail a non local email address |
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| 09:47.45 | PerfDave | f00bar: Then you *do* want to relay mail to other machines. |
| 09:48.01 | f00bar | yes |
| 09:48.19 | idc | petemc, ok,and which one you would suggest ,i have one creative ct-2518 and a crystal cs4281,2 sound channels sound cards so wouldn't have problem switching channels in debian |
| 09:48.36 | PerfDave | f00bar: And how do you want to send mail? Directly onto the Internet, or via your ISP's mailservers? The latter is probably the better idea. |
| 09:48.58 | ia3264 | should i always isntall the bootloader on the MBR, even if windows is already installed and i'm doing a dual boot |
| 09:49.00 | andy00 | i don't remmber which url |
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| 09:49.20 | PerfDave | andy00: Which version of Debian was it? Woody (3.0) or Sarge (3.1)? |
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| 09:49.35 | petemc | ia3264: my experience has been mostly using what has came with my computers, crappy intel or via things |
| 09:49.40 | f00bar | PerfDave: oh i see now, why is it better to send via my ISP and not directly |
| 09:49.40 | andy00 | woody(3.0) |
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| 09:50.15 | idc | hmm |
| 09:50.24 | PerfDave | andy00: /msg dpkg woody hardware support |
| 09:50.34 | petemc | f00bar: lots of people dont accept mail from cable/adsl modem connections, and rightly so - its mostly spam/viruses |
| 09:50.36 | PerfDave | f00bar: Because if you send mail directly, it might get dropped by mail servers using dial-up RBLs. |
| 09:50.48 | f00bar | ah i see |
| 09:50.49 | f00bar | ok |
| 09:51.05 | f00bar | thanks |
| 09:51.22 | PerfDave | f00bar: You probably want "mail sent by smarthost; received via SMTP or fetchmail" |
| 09:51.38 | andy00 | Hey I'm downloaded other linux prodouts with same problems gentoo-buffalo |
| 09:52.31 | PerfDave | andy00: Woody is too old to support nVidia NICs. I think that Sarge supports them with forcedeth, but nVidia's networking stuff is generally icky. |
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| 09:52.50 | PerfDave | andy00: You want to install Sarge, with a 2.6 kernel. It has better hardware support, but doesn't (yet) have security updates. |
| 09:53.02 | PerfDave | !d-i andy00 |
| 09:53.03 | dpkg | andy00, you want to go to http://www.debian.org/devel/debian-installer/ - for your own good, and everyone else's. |
| 09:53.26 | eonn | Could anyone please tell me how to make a Linux Boot Floppy under debian. I am trying to install debian on an old machine that does not allow you to boot from CD or network |
| 09:53.45 | PerfDave | eonn: Have you read the Installation Manual? |
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| 09:53.59 | streuner | eonn: get rescue and boot floppy, insert CD and boot |
| 09:54.31 | streuner | eonn: just make a rescue and boot floppy out of the CD you already have |
| 09:54.46 | andy00 | I did read about someone having same problem in 2003 with on luck SO do i just pack it in and go back to WINDOWS XP |
| 09:55.11 | freet15 | who can tell me about the WIKI? |
| 09:55.14 | PerfDave | andy00: Just download a Sarge netinstall CD and try that. |
| 09:55.17 | eonn | streuner - so i cant make one from the command line of my existing server? |
| 09:55.54 | streuner | eonn: what CD do you have yet? |
| 09:56.18 | andy00 | were ie URL |
| 09:56.33 | eonn | i have SARGE, but did a network install |
| 09:56.38 | rixth | Can you pause a wget download? |
| 09:56.44 | eonn | have the ISO's on the server now |
| 09:56.44 | freet15 | I install the Apache2+Mysql+PHP4+PHPWIKI, but how to config it?? |
| 09:57.03 | PerfDave | freet15: Read the phpwiki documentation? |
| 09:57.07 | streuner | eonn: mount the iso and use those files then? |
| 09:57.09 | freet15 | yes |
| 09:57.25 | eonn | streuner - okay cheers! |
| 09:57.47 | freet15 | I just read it. |
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| 09:57.55 | PerfDave | rixth: You should be able to just Ctrl-C out of the download, and then start again using the -c (continue) option to wget, assuming the server supports that. Or use Ctrl-Z to stop the process, and fg to bring it back. |
| 09:58.43 | f00bar | does anyone here know about rsa encryption |
| 09:59.08 | PerfDave | f00bar: What do you want to know about it? |
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| 09:59.25 | f00bar | well, my friend is basically saying it is crap |
| 09:59.39 | freet15 | still display apache2-default page. |
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| 09:59.50 | PerfDave | freet15: You should use rot13, it's much more secure ;) |
| 10:00.01 | PerfDave | ARgh |
| 10:00.03 | freet15 | rot13? |
| 10:00.03 | f00bar | and that you can work out someones private key from their public key |
| 10:00.09 | andy00 | THank you for help good day |
| 10:00.10 | neoXite | in sarge, how can i make ipv4/ip_forward get set to 1 at every bootup? |
| 10:00.26 | rixth | PerfDave, it's from an Ubuntu mirror so resume should be suppoted. I'll onl do it if I have to though |
| 10:00.28 | Gathond | PerfDave: nooo, rot14 .. to take them all totally be surprise |
| 10:00.40 | wombachi | f00bar I guess your friend has little mathematical background |
| 10:00.49 | freet15 | apt-get install rot14? |
| 10:01.10 | f00bar | wombachi: he is doing a math degree |
| 10:01.13 | streuner | neoXite: router? |
| 10:01.17 | PerfDave | neoXite: /etc/sysctl.conf at a guess, man sysctl. |
| 10:01.27 | Raf256 | is there something linke top, |
| 10:01.36 | CAiRO | when i get kernel messages like 'hw tcp v4 csum failed', could that indicate a hardware error? |
| 10:01.40 | PerfDave | f00bar: IIRC some small-bit RSA keys have been brute fourced. |
| 10:01.41 | Raf256 | but in with I can display only process name, mem ussage total (virtual) and CPU time? |
| 10:02.06 | PerfDave | f00bar: But that doesn't mean that RSA is useless. |
| 10:02.36 | wombachi | f00bar indeed, see rsa faq and their challenges. |
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| 10:03.30 | wombachi | f00bar But brute force is not what's called 'breaking' the rsa encryption. Read Bruce schneier books, RSA faq, the cryptogram newsletter at counterpane, you'll better understand |
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| 10:03.49 | marcel_ | does anyone in here know how fedora got the gnome menu to look kde'ish? |
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| 10:04.04 | PerfDave | marcel_: Ask #fedora? :) |
| 10:04.11 | marcel_ | Already have |
| 10:04.12 | wombachi | marcel_ I'm not sure you're on a fedora channel... |
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| 10:04.25 | marcel_ | no answer was forthcoming. |
| 10:04.35 | PerfDave | !not supporting fedora |
| 10:04.36 | dpkg | We have enough trouble not supporting Debian, without trying to not support fedora too. Try #fedora or donating money to charity. |
| 10:04.54 | maxxle | hi! I want to send mails through a firewall using smtp. But the smtp-port is blocked. Any workararound? |
| 10:05.04 | marcel_ | I thought the expertise may have been somewhat higher quality in #debisn |
| 10:05.08 | marcel_ | debian |
| 10:05.09 | marcel_ | that is |
| 10:05.32 | PerfDave | marcel_: How should we know how Fedora does something? I expect that most people here don't run Fedora. |
| 10:05.43 | PerfDave | maxxle: Beat the firewall admin until they unblock the port. |
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| 10:06.04 | marcel_ | PerfDave, Because debian seems to attract a lot of dev's |
| 10:06.07 | maxxle | PerfDave: I don't know where his office is ;) - but good idea |
| 10:06.35 | PerfDave | maxxle: Other workarounds - find an open relay on non-25, ssh tunnel to a machine where you've got shell access. |
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| 10:07.10 | PerfDave | marcel_: There aren't many developers on #debian IME. |
| 10:07.21 | maxxle | PerfDave: This would mean I would have to setup a smtp-relay on my home-router. so postfix? |
| 10:07.28 | PerfDave | maxxle: Why postfix? |
| 10:07.29 | streuner | !IME |
| 10:07.29 | dpkg | i guess ime is in my experience |
| 10:07.38 | f00bar | how long would it take to break a 1024 bit key |
| 10:07.49 | bykte | 1024 days |
| 10:07.49 | PerfDave | f00bar: For a home user, or for the NSA? :) |
| 10:07.50 | maxxle | PerfDave: What would be good for it? |
| 10:07.55 | f00bar | home user |
| 10:07.56 | PerfDave | maxxle: Any MTA. |
| 10:08.02 | PerfDave | f00bar: Unfeasibly long. |
| 10:08.14 | bykte | nsa sucks |
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| 10:08.18 | maxxle | PerfDave: I see. A loot of work to do this weekend ;) |
| 10:08.25 | PerfDave | maxxle: Might be worth checking whether you can SSH to your home machine first, of course. |
| 10:08.28 | marcel_ | !hostile |
| 10:08.35 | Gathond | f00bar: depends on: 1. the algorithm, 2. the knowledge of the user (math wise probably). 3. ammount of computational power they are willing to pay for |
| 10:08.38 | maxxle | PerfDave: Thats not the problem. ssh is possible |
| 10:09.06 | PerfDave | maxxle: FWIW, I only use my work e-mail for work-related things, and SSH to my Debian box at home and run mutt there if I want to send or receive personal mail. |
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| 10:09.19 | f00bar | ok. imagine the user had a very very nice algorithm |
| 10:09.20 | f00bar | :) |
| 10:09.29 | f00bar | and access to supercomputer time |
| 10:09.38 | maxxle | PerfDave: Not a bad idea. Does mutt supports imap? |
| 10:09.42 | PerfDave | maxxle: Yes |
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| 10:09.57 | maxxle | PerfDave: I will think about it. A good idea too. |
| 10:10.01 | PerfDave | f00bar: There isn't really any "nice algorithm" which can significantly reduce the time taken to break RSA, as far as I'm aware. |
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| 10:10.34 | Gathond | f00bar: I thought more in the line of voulnerabilities in the encryption scheme |
| 10:10.54 | wombachi | f00bar : http://www.schneier.com/crypto-gram-9903.html#RSA140 |
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| 10:11.05 | streuner | maxxle: Did you pay for the support? |
| 10:11.17 | bykte | i doubt rsa have any flaws in terms of logic, maybe implementation wise |
| 10:11.21 | wombachi | f00bar RSA-140 Factored (about 2000 mips years) |
| 10:11.28 | Jon | hi, embarrassingly simple problem: a 'test' user is logged in so userdel won't remove him. 'who' says on ':20'. no processes attributed to it. how may I delete him? |
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| 10:12.02 | maxxle | streuner: ? |
| 10:12.04 | PerfDave | f00bar: http://www.rsasecurity.com/rsalabs/node.asp?id=2098 |
| 10:12.19 | PerfDave | Jon: slay? |
| 10:12.29 | benjamindees | Jon, kill his shell |
| 10:12.34 | benjamindees | Jon, oops |
| 10:12.46 | streuner | maxxle: well, if i remember correctly you are using SuSE Enterprise Server, so those things aren't included? |
| 10:13.15 | maxxle | streuner: Well. I do. But this are two different things ;) |
| 10:13.36 | xerophyte | I have webserver which host around 300+ domains and they use php and mysql scripts, sometime some of the scripts eats up all the memory and crash the server is there anyway i can control the memory and get the server not curshing .. the server has around 1G ram but normaly the server is okay only if they have bad script .. is there anyway i can control that? |
| 10:13.45 | streuner | installation support - that is. |
| 10:14.04 | wombachi | xerophyte php.ini memory_limit etc. read doc |
| 10:14.04 | mcbridematt | anyone know a way I can make the sarge installer load the bootstrap packages from disk instead of cdrom. My laptop cdrom drive appears to really hate the sarge netinst installer |
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| 10:15.47 | lestest | hi there is there a particulare module I need to load to display cputemp? |
| 10:16.03 | streuner | lestest: lm-sensors |
| 10:16.19 | streuner | lestest: your kernel have to support it, of course |
| 10:16.32 | streuner | lestest: run 'sensors-detect' |
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| 10:17.07 | lestest | stew: I did it but I can't display cpu temp |
| 10:17.16 | lestest | I mean streuner |
| 10:17.35 | directhex|work | you on a 2.4 kernel? |
| 10:17.40 | lestest | streuner: is there a specific sensor module for it? |
| 10:17.53 | streuner | lestest: could be that the chip isn't supported |
| 10:17.56 | lestest | directhex|work: yep |
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| 10:18.12 | lestest | Adapter: SMBus Via Pro adapter at 0500 |
| 10:18.16 | directhex|work | lestest, m-a a-i i2c |
| 10:18.23 | lestest | sensors detect it |
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| 10:18.50 | lestest | m-a, a-i? |
| 10:18.53 | directhex|work | lestest, there are about 31 different sensor chips with corresponding modules which linux supports (and more that it doesn't). |
| 10:18.58 | Jon | PerfDave: thanks, but no good - there are no processes belonging to him |
| 10:18.59 | directhex|work | !module-assistant |
| 10:18.59 | dpkg | i guess module-assistant is a tool helping to build additional (kernel) module packages and generate/install DEB packages with them, or the daddy, or apt-get install module-assistant kernel-headers-$(uname -r) build-essential |
| 10:19.18 | directhex|work | !m-a |
| 10:19.18 | dpkg | module-assistant is, like, a tool helping to build additional (kernel) module packages and generate/install DEB packages with them, or the daddy, or apt-get install module-assistant kernel-headers-$(uname -r) build-essential |
| 10:19.21 | directhex|work | bah |
| 10:19.47 | lestest | directhex|work: I already have i2c module |
| 10:19.55 | lestest | loaded and working |
| 10:20.06 | lestest | can I paste the output of sensors? |
| 10:20.12 | directhex|work | lestest, no, you can't |
| 10:20.19 | directhex|work | lestest, where did your i2c modules come from? |
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| 10:20.41 | lestest | is a bianry package |
| 10:20.45 | PerfDave | Jon: Hmm, you may have a corrupt utmp / wtmp file. |
| 10:20.46 | lestest | why? |
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| 10:21.31 | directhex|work | because it may not be up to date. hence using m-a to build recent modules |
| 10:21.39 | lestest | I see .. |
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| 10:22.37 | Jon | PerfDave: that's possible. I created this test user and logged them in via a display-manager, but I just killed the X instance (it was an Xnest), so, hmm |
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| 10:23.16 | xst | My syslog is getting filled up with postfix mail messages. These messages are also being added to /var/log/mail.info. How can I exclude them from the syslog? |
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| 10:23.29 | PerfDave | Jon: Try logging them in and out again? |
| 10:23.41 | Jon | PerfDave: worth a go :) |
| 10:23.45 | adrian1515 | Hello. I am interested in updating my debian box while being offline. By the means of using another computer with Windows and internet connectivity. I've read some apt-zip articles. And I wanted to know what does apt-zip exactly? What are the scripts that it generates like? I'm no too fancy of installing it if I can do things manually. |
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| 10:23.56 | s-toned | Is it possible to make a snapshot of the system before and after running a programme? |
| 10:23.57 | doub | xst: /etc/syslog.conf allows you to tune what's in quite every system logfile |
| 10:24.06 | s-toned | To see the differences caused by that programme? |
| 10:24.07 | gothtec | I've done "xset s off" and the screen still blacks out after a while. It's a laptop. The backlight is turned off and the display is cleared. What else is doing this? I'm running a newly installed version of sarge. |
| 10:24.11 | PerfDave | s-toned: What do you mean by "a snapshot of the system"? |
| 10:24.28 | doub | xst: except for those who want to play their own game, and won't use the syslog facility |
| 10:24.44 | PerfDave | s-toned: If you want to see what files on a disk are changed by a program, I think checkinstall can do that for you. |
| 10:24.55 | PerfDave | s-toned: Or installwatch. |
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| 10:25.45 | s-toned | PerfDave: that 'install' is on their names doesn't mean it's only for installing purposes? |
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| 10:26.02 | doub | gothtec: system BIOS maybe |
| 10:26.54 | Raysan | Is possible ask uone question? |
| 10:27.07 | xst | doub: But how do I find out which "facility" a given message type has? For mail messages the facility is most likely "mail" but what about other messages? |
| 10:27.14 | Raysan | one question ( sorry) |
| 10:27.38 | gothtec | doub: nah. it didn't do this until i recently reinstalled debian. and it doesn't do it in windows (i dual boot it to play games while i travel) |
| 10:27.57 | s-toned | PerfDave: I can only think of changed files, and changed values in /proc. Would that describe the state of the system before and after some event? |
| 10:28.02 | PerfDave | s-toned: That's what they're supposedly used for, but they seem to work by detecting changes to a filesystem before and after a program is run, so it might be hacked to do what you want. |
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| 10:28.34 | Jon | PerfDave: no joy there. I'm going to try and hack the utmp file. That does look like where the problem is |
| 10:28.45 | doub | xst: should be written somewhere in the docs. or you can Read The Source, Luke (tm) ;) |
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| 10:29.06 | xst | ok |
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| 10:30.00 | f00bar | PerfDave: would you call prime factoring "brute force" |
| 10:30.00 | doub | gothtec: maybe windows, through official drivers, knows how to disable the timer, whereas in X it's only a hack that may work or not, i don't know |
| 10:30.29 | zamolxes | uhm.. what would one need to read to make a fast frontend for cdrecord? and i don't mean the invoking part, but i need to know the progress .. |
| 10:30.40 | Jon | PerfDave: actually I'm going to try and append a faked logout to wtmp |
| 10:30.44 | doub | !tell Raysan about ask |
| 10:31.25 | doub | Jon: you can safely remove utmp |
| 10:31.30 | PerfDave | f00bar: Uhm, prime factoring is the process of finding prime factors. Brute forcing is one way of finding prime factors. AFAIK with RSA it's the only way. |
| 10:31.49 | doub | Jon: except you'll need to touch it first if you want it to be filled, iirc |
| 10:32.18 | TinoW | NetBSDs progress command is nice... |
| 10:32.25 | PerfDave | f00bar: If you're interested, pick up a copy of Schneier's "Applied Cryptography" |
| 10:32.38 | f00bar | I thinki I will |
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| 10:32.49 | f00bar | in fact, i saw someone reading it the other day |
| 10:33.41 | bonez39 | can I use scp to transfer files from multiple directories, to one destination directory? is that possible, i.e., scp source 1, source 2 destination |
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| 10:34.19 | PerfDave | bonez39: man scp |
| 10:34.35 | PerfDave | bonez39: (but basically yes) |
| 10:34.50 | Jon | doub/PerfDave: ok brill. removing utmp is enough for deluser to work, thanks |
| 10:35.05 | Shadur | bonez39: Sure. It's the reverse that's a bit tricky. |
| 10:35.25 | f00bar | argh, my friend keeps saying "brute force is not prime factoring because in prime factoring you know what you are looking for" any eloquant ways of telling him what i mean? |
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| 10:36.07 | PerfDave | f00bar: "You're an idiot" would seem to suffice ;) |
| 10:36.17 | benjamindees | lol |
| 10:36.30 | f00bar | PerfDave: I wish, I really want to shut him up in an intelligent manner |
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| 10:36.37 | f00bar | unfortunately |
| 10:36.46 | f00bar | my intelligence has escaped me |
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| 10:38.15 | irad | where the icon of the kmenu is located? |
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| 10:39.02 | sascha_ | hi everybody |
| 10:40.15 | sascha_ | I have just installed phpgroupware and would like to use the funkwerk img tools, I have downloaded the tar.gz but there is no documentation how to install it. Where do I put the extracted files? |
| 10:40.35 | benjamindees | f00bar, prime factorization is the only way to "brute force" public key encryption |
| 10:40.46 | Coke | sascha_: where you want it |
| 10:41.21 | sascha_ | hi coke, but where is "I want it" to get phpgroupware know about it? |
| 10:41.31 | Coke | sascha_: yeah, put it there |
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| 10:42.51 | sascha_ | can somebody point me to a funkwerk install document? |
| 10:43.38 | Coke | sascha_: it seems funkwerk is some non-free software? |
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| 10:44.09 | sascha_ | perhaps that's why it has no debian package |
| 10:44.19 | sascha_ | let me see... |
| 10:44.21 | Coke | sascha_: so why do you think #debian is a good place to ask? |
| 10:44.24 | Coke | we know debian |
| 10:44.30 | PerfDave | Bugger. I have installed lm-sensors but don't seem to have any recognised CPU temperature sensors on my motherboard :/ |
| 10:44.44 | sascha_ | no, it is GPL |
| 10:44.45 | Coke | PerfDave: so what does it say that? N/A? |
| 10:45.03 | liable | I've got three diff hostnames for my emails, ie @blah, @blahblah and @blahdeblah, but when configuring exim, can you only set one? |
| 10:45.14 | PerfDave | Coke: I have sensors, it just tells me about memory instead of temperature :/ |
| 10:45.21 | omry | hey, after a recent update, the donts in my system turned very small (KDE), especially in firefox and thunderbird. how can I fix it? |
| 10:45.42 | PerfDave | liable: What do you mean? You want a mail server to receive mails on three different domains? exim can do this. |
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| 10:45.58 | sascha_ | The unpacked files of funktwerk seem to be the files and directory structure phpgroupware expects to use it. So wehere is the right place to put it? |
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| 10:46.16 | liable | PerfDave: yes and send |
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| 10:46.34 | liable | PerfDave: dont worry, tommorow is exim hump day |
| 10:46.34 | Coke | omry: make sure KDE uses the font you want. |
| 10:46.42 | PerfDave | sascha_: Look for an INSTALL file in the unpacked files? |
| 10:46.51 | PerfDave | liable: exim can do this. |
| 10:46.55 | Coke | sascha_: where the documentation and/or configuration of your phpgroupware wants it |
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| 10:47.24 | sascha_ | there is no INSTALL, but two directories: apifunk patchwork |
| 10:47.28 | k3k0 | i need some help, i just made kernel update and how i must conf /etc/lilo.conf to boot a newer kerrnel.. i update from woody->sarge kernel 2.2 ->2.6 |
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| 10:47.44 | tarzeau | k3k0: you must edit lilo.conf or use GRUB |
| 10:47.45 | Viper | hello |
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| 10:47.46 | PerfDave | k3k0: Uhm, "update" how? |
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| 10:47.56 | Viper | is 125000 = to 1250gb ? |
| 10:47.58 | Viper | GB* |
| 10:48.06 | tarzeau | no it isn't |
| 10:48.09 | omry | Coke, It does, but they don't appear in firefox and thunderbird. |
| 10:48.12 | liable | PerfDave: using the smarthost bit? |
| 10:48.15 | Viper | what would be correct tarzeau |
| 10:48.21 | k3k0 | tarzeau, PerfDave what easyst way? can i remove lilo and install grub : |
| 10:48.26 | tarzeau | Viper: 125000 is only a number |
| 10:48.31 | tarzeau | k3k0: yes |
| 10:48.31 | k3k0 | grubis more cool |
| 10:48.33 | Viper | 125000MB |
| 10:48.33 | PerfDave | liable: No, a smarthost is an upstream SMTP server through which you want to relay mail, such as your ISP's servers. |
| 10:48.34 | Coke | omry: because they use GTK2 and not KDE |
| 10:48.43 | k3k0 | tarzeau: tellmeteelme :) |
| 10:48.46 | Coke | omry: change your gtkrc |
| 10:48.46 | tarzeau | Viper: 125000mb is 125 gb |
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| 10:48.54 | Viper | so 1 more 0 |
| 10:48.55 | PerfDave | k3k0: Uhm, you need to dist-upgrade from Woody to Sarge *first*, then install a 2.6 kernel. |
| 10:48.55 | Viper | right |
| 10:48.56 | tarzeau | k3k0: do you have debian? |
| 10:49.01 | lestest | Is it possible to get motherboard id string by the kernel^? |
| 10:49.10 | PerfDave | lestest: dmidecode |
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| 10:49.46 | lestest | PerfDave: cool!!! thankz |
| 10:49.53 | k3k0 | tarzeau: yeah.. iwas woody i upgrade it to sarge, and then i made kernel update.. but it dont boot.. i have lilo.conf someway confed wrong maybe |
| 10:50.08 | tarzeau | k3k0: yes |
| 10:50.16 | tarzeau | k3k0: you don't like woody? |
| 10:50.46 | k3k0 | tarzeau: =) i need kernel 2.6 |
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| 10:50.53 | tarzeau | k3k0: why? |
| 10:51.04 | sascha_ | ok, I will leave and make a deep filescan of phpgroupware... :-) bye-bye |
| 10:51.07 | k3k0 | tar tarzeau how now to remove lilo and install grub |
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| 10:51.17 | tarzeau | k3k0: apt-get install grub |
| 10:51.23 | JediMaster | how do you purge a package without removing a package that depends on it, so it can be reinstalled from scratch |
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| 10:51.24 | tarzeau | k3k0: then apt-get --purge remove lilo |
| 10:51.39 | PerfDave | JediMaster: apt-get --reinstall install $package |
| 10:51.46 | k3k0 | tarzeau: okey, do it conf boot kernels automaticlly |
| 10:51.54 | JediMaster | PerfDave: does that do a purge |
| 10:52.01 | PerfDave | JediMaster: apt-get --reinstall --purge install $package |
| 10:52.04 | tarzeau | k3k0: is it a debian kernel? if so , yes |
| 10:52.13 | JediMaster | thanks |
| 10:52.15 | PerfDave | k3k0: How did you install a 2.6 kernel? |
| 10:52.19 | tarzeau | JediMaster: and apt-get moo |
| 10:52.21 | _Myst | hey... can anyone help me with a sarge netinst problem? it detects my eepro100, loads e100, I get link messages (100 full-duplex etc), but dhcp refuses to work... I can however see the dhcpdicovers in the server's log, but no replies get to the sarge box |
| 10:52.55 | PerfDave | _Myst: If you set a static IP, can you access the network at all? |
| 10:53.05 | Gathond | _Myst: and there is no errors in the clients logs ? |
| 10:53.06 | _Myst | nope, says network unreachable |
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| 10:53.20 | Atula | how would one install wma/m4a plugin' for xmms? |
| 10:53.34 | JediMaster | PerfDave: it didn't pruge the config files |
| 10:53.34 | PerfDave | _Myst: Is the server *sending* a reply? |
| 10:53.40 | Atula | I downloaded xmms-wma zip file |
| 10:53.47 | _Myst | it'd wanna be, the other 3 pc's are working on it |
| 10:53.49 | PerfDave | Atula: Read the instructions for it then. |
| 10:54.01 | PerfDave | _Myst: Is the server sending a reply *to this client*? |
| 10:54.09 | _Myst | client logs just say "DHCPDISCOVER... DHCPDISCOVER..." and so on |
| 10:54.12 | Atula | is there a way to install something from a specific directory with apt-get? |
| 10:54.21 | tarzeau | Atula: no |
| 10:54.22 | omry | Coke, I got several gtkrc files in my system, which one do I edit? |
| 10:54.26 | tarzeau | Atula: but there's dpkg -i |
| 10:54.29 | PerfDave | Atula: What do you mean by "a specific directory"? |
| 10:54.41 | _Myst | server logs show dhcp offers |
| 10:54.55 | _Myst | mac's match |
| 10:54.55 | Atula | PerfDave, I have that zip file... I wish I can just install it... like the make/make install way in redhat |
| 10:55.10 | Atula | but I guess I'll just deal with that later. |
| 10:55.34 | PerfDave | Atula: /msg dpkg usrlocal |
| 10:55.57 | PerfDave | Atula: Read the documentation that came with the plugin? |
| 10:56.41 | k3k0 | PerfDave: apt-get install kernel-image-2.6.2 i686 somekind like this |
| 10:56.51 | Atula | oh, here's a question. If I boot up the computer without the LAN cable plugged in... I can't get internet when I plug it in after boot up process... is there a command to mount or probe the ethernet card/LAN cable? pardon me for the low level question :) |
| 10:56.53 | PerfDave | k3k0: Hmm, then it should have fixed your bootloader for you. |
| 10:56.58 | Atula | PerfDave, thanks. I'll do that |
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| 10:57.05 | PerfDave | Atula: You're using DHCP? |
| 10:57.23 | Atula | !tell Atula DHCP |
| 10:57.28 | Atula | :) |
| 10:57.41 | k3k0 | PerfDave: yeah now i removed lilo and i installed grub :) what you think do it start when i reboot |
| 10:57.59 | PerfDave | Atula: You can do it by hand, with "ifup $interface", or there are packages to do it automatically. |
| 10:58.03 | benjamindees | Atula, ifup eth0 |
| 10:58.04 | _iXi | Someone around how knows how to set up wine without X @ debian 3.0? |
| 10:58.18 | Atula | oh cool |
| 10:58.34 | Coke | omry: the one in your home directory |
| 10:58.38 | benjamindees | _iXi, I didn't know that was possible (without X) |
| 10:58.56 | _iXi | sure it is i found some tuts but |
| 10:59.03 | _iXi | i need the fonts form x |
| 10:59.07 | _iXi | to get it working.. |
| 10:59.09 | _iXi | ~ |
| 10:59.09 | PerfDave | k3k0: Is your kernel in your grub config? |
| 10:59.52 | omry | Coke, I got .gtkrc-1.2-gnome2 there, that's the one? |
| 10:59.54 | PerfDave | Atula: http://www.livejournal.com/community/debian/217470.html |
| 11:00.02 | Atula | PerfDave, thank you sir |
| 11:00.25 | omry | Coke, which includes the none-existant file /home/omry/.gtkrc.mine |
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| 11:01.53 | Coke | omry: you'll have to google on that. they do different things for different environments, but there is a default mother of them all, I think. |
| 11:02.06 | Atula | PerfDave, that's basically what benjamindees said. :) |
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| 11:02.34 | Atula | PerfDave, but it seems there isn't ifup but there's an "ifupdown" |
| 11:03.12 | PerfDave | Atula: Uhm, ifup is a command, ifupdown is a package. |
| 11:03.47 | PerfDave | Atula: That link also mentions a couple of automatic tools which will detect when the cable is connected and disconnected. |
| 11:03.51 | Atula | Here's a totally unrelated to Linux question: Have you guys ever heard of a song by Musical Youth - Pass the Dutchie.... what's a dutchie? weed? |
| 11:04.02 | Atula | cool thanks PerfDave |
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| 11:06.31 | PerfDave | Atula: http://www.urbandictionary.com/define.php?term=dutchie&r=f :) |
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| 11:10.27 | Atula | PerfDave, damn, you're a dictionary tonight! thanks |
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| 11:12.33 | omry | Coke, I fixed it using a package called gtk2-engines-gtk-qt, which makes gtk uses the same style qt is using. |
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| 11:13.02 | Coke | omry: yeah, also, like I said, there is one setting for a "global" engine to use. |
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| 11:14.29 | sprainedankle | sup kids |
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| 11:15.24 | Cueball_Shudders | I have a pronlem with UW-IMAP since upgrade to Sarge. I can no longer use non SSL connections to the server on port 143. Any idea's on how to allow Non SSL connections again please. |
| 11:15.29 | JodA|essen | hi @ all |
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| 11:16.08 | JodA| | !list |
| 11:16.08 | dpkg | one warez list being sent |
| 11:16.10 | Coke | omry: and, you can even have engines defined per application |
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| 11:17.01 | omry | yeah, I saw that. but I didn't find information about that file, how to edit it. in any case, that bridging package does the work well. |
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| 11:21.30 | Xsquared | hi, how would i change the FQDN of my computer? |
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| 11:21.44 | PerfDave | Xsquared: What do you mean? |
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| 11:22.56 | Xsquared | PerfDave: the long host name |
| 11:23.16 | Xsquared | PerfDave: i keep getting this error in postfix: fatal: gethostbyname: Success |
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| 11:24.52 | PerfDave | Xsquared: FQDNs are determined by DNS servers, you can't change them on the system because they're not used there. |
| 11:25.06 | possie | i'm connected to a box via ssh, and every time that i stay idle for a while, my ssh session hangs, i can only exist by doing ~. anyone that might know on where to look for the reason why it hangs? |
| 11:25.41 | umbop | unless you host the DNS yourself |
| 11:25.52 | PerfDave | possie: Try sending keepalives down the connection? It might be that an intermediate firewall or something is dropping the connection. |
| 11:26.58 | possie | PerfDave: 'keepalives' as in, just typing some characters every x minuts? |
| 11:27.20 | PerfDave | possie: No, ssh can do it for you. |
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| 11:27.39 | possie | PerfDave: problem is sometimes i'm doing a tape restore, which takes a couple of minutes i can't type nothing, so the session is idle for x minutes |
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| 11:27.47 | possie | PerfDave: ah perfect let me rtfm ssh man page |
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| 11:29.45 | Xsquared | how would i go about fixing this? alpha:/etc/postfix# hostname -f |
| 11:29.46 | Xsquared | hostname: Unknown host |
| 11:30.22 | streuner | man hosts |
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| 11:32.19 | Xsquared | streuner: ok, ive fixed it, how do i refresh it? |
| 11:32.39 | possie | PerfDave: thanks for the tip, gonna see if that works, because indeed there is a firewall in between |
| 11:32.47 | PerfDave | possie: Best of luck. |
| 11:32.56 | streuner | Xsquared: /etc/init.d/postfix restart? |
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| 11:33.34 | Xsquared | streuner: no, so it recognises the hostname |
| 11:33.49 | Xsquared | streuner: its still outputting hostname: Unknown host |
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| 11:36.38 | petemc | Xsquared: in /etc/hosts - "your-ip your.full.name yourshortname" |
| 11:37.24 | possie | anyone that knows how i can find indexes on a tape archive? i've written some tar's to one tape device, there are all right afther each other, but i'm wondering if there is a way to get a series of offsets on where tape archives start? |
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| 11:37.46 | Xsquared | petemc: no, not what i was looking for |
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| 11:38.08 | Xsquared | petemc: i meant this, hostname -F /etc/hostname |
| 11:38.17 | Xsquared | i wanted to refresh it |
| 11:38.45 | petemc | thats much clearer... |
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| 11:43.12 | huan | i'm having trouble with some audio programs (mplayer and real), apparently alsa intel8x0 is unable to initialize codec #1. any ideas why this might be? |
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| 11:44.45 | streuner | huan: any problem with xine, ogle or vlc? |
| 11:44.51 | huan | streuner: nope. xine, xmms, and others work fine. |
| 11:45.01 | narma | hello, |
| 11:45.09 | petemc | huan: what ao device is mplayer set to use? |
| 11:45.42 | narma | I don't know Iif it is the right place, but I try to install debian on an USB drive, and I have an ACPI error when I reboot |
| 11:45.48 | huan | petemc: don't know. where would i check that? |
| 11:46.18 | petemc | huan: /etc/mplayer or some such, or you can use mplayer -ao foo file.avi |
| 11:46.23 | petemc | mplayer -ao help |
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| 11:47.30 | huan | petemc: loos like ao is set to alsa (ao=alsa in mplayer.conf) |
| 11:47.46 | simonrvn | Paganist: i usually end up telling it off. funny as hell |
| 11:48.16 | liable | narma: try acpi=off kernel option |
| 11:49.13 | narma | liable, yes it works with this option, but I wonder why when I install on IDE there is no PB and when I install on USB I have a kernel panic.... |
| 11:49.24 | petemc | huan: do you have esd or arts running? |
| 11:49.34 | liable | narma: laptop? |
| 11:49.56 | huan | petemc: nope. neither. |
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| 11:49.58 | narma | liable, no. I have a mini-itx VIA EPIA 12000 |
| 11:50.13 | Paganist | simonrvn: i just love it, it is exellent to stress off |
| 11:50.16 | Paganist | hehe |
| 11:50.25 | simonrvn | :) |
| 11:50.34 | petemc | huan: no idea then, both those apps work fine for me :) |
| 11:50.47 | Gathond | narma: PB? |
| 11:50.56 | huan | petemc: thanks anyway. |
| 11:51.04 | narma | Gathond, what's 'PB' ? I don't understand... |
| 11:51.14 | liable | heh |
| 11:51.24 | Gathond | <narma> liable, yes it works with this option, but I wonder why when I install on IDE there is no PB and when I install on USB I have a kernel panic.... |
| 11:51.46 | Gathond | narma: then I dont understand what PB means ... that you dont do either surprises me :) |
| 11:51.51 | narma | Gathond, sorry :) pb = problem ;) |
| 11:51.59 | Gathond | ahh |
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| 11:53.58 | narma | liable, maybe it works like a laptop. Is there something special on laptop ? |
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| 11:56.25 | liable | narma: dunno, the error message said acpi, so disable it, generally acpi is really handy for laptops for power saving stuff |
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| 11:57.10 | Souza10 | Does any body could help me with my sniffer? Only packets comes from windows can be read. Packets from Linux seems to be a binary data, but it would not be. I am using a pcap library |
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| 11:57.30 | simonrvn | @wb greycat |
| 11:57.32 | ravenbird | Welcome back greycat, o lonely traveller amongst the TCP/IP packets of chaos. |
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| 11:57.47 | narma | liable, no other idea :( ok... |
| 11:58.02 | liable | narma: no sorry |
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| 11:58.47 | Paganist | How smart is it to resize my / as i use it ? seem like a bad idea to me but asking anyways, just too lazy to put this drive on an other machine and parted from there... |
| 11:59.25 | narma | Paganist, you could boot from a live CD ? |
| 11:59.38 | Paganist | hum |
| 11:59.56 | Paganist | good idea, if the knoppix cd i have somewhere will start correctly |
| 12:00.09 | Paganist | thanks for the suggestion narma |
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| 12:09.51 | s-ndh-c_ | my box doesnt boot with self build kernel- it stop with a message saying my boot (hda1/ext2) wouldnt be a ext2 partition, but the prebuild kernel boots on the same machine |
| 12:10.07 | s-ndh-c_ | some one has any clues? |
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| 12:10.39 | petemc | s-ndh-c_: compile it with the right options, or use a prebuilt kernel |
| 12:10.45 | TinoW | s-ndh-c_: you need driver for ide hardware, the disk and the filesystem compiled in. The prebuild kernel uses initrd with all the modules |
| 12:10.51 | s-ndh-c_ | petemc: but fschk says my partiton is not ext2 |
| 12:11.03 | s-ndh-c_ | how can that be if it boots with a prebuild kernel? |
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| 12:11.26 | aluno13 | ,C,C,,C,C |
| 12:11.31 | TinoW | s-ndh-c_: if you boot the prebuild kernel, what type is that partition? |
| 12:11.47 | s-ndh-c_ | TinoW: its ext2 like my root two |
| 12:11.54 | s-ndh-c_ | i created the partitons by hand |
| 12:11.59 | s-ndh-c_ | i know they are ext2 |
| 12:12.11 | TinoW | aha |
| 12:12.12 | s-ndh-c_ | -w +o |
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| 12:13.23 | s-ndh-c_ | can i skip fschk on my boot partition? will removing "auto" from fstab stop scanning it? |
| 12:13.41 | s-ndh-c_ | if it doesnt get mounted its not scanned right? |
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| 12:14.14 | s-ndh-c_ | i usualy allways remove that /boot automount, cause i only need /boot if i change kernel or boot manager |
| 12:14.24 | greycat | s-ndh-c_: use "noauto" in fstab |
| 12:14.34 | petemc | s-ndh-c_: man fstab, look at fs_passno |
| 12:14.39 | s-ndh-c_ | greycat: ok |
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| 12:15.22 | jose17__11__81 | hello, is there an application that would increase width of your desktop and make the mouse scrolling inside of it smooth? |
| 12:15.53 | PerfDave | jose17__11__81: Increase the width? Do you mean the resolution? |
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| 12:16.27 | aluno13 | BBRAZIL: HELO |
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| 12:16.52 | PerfDave | !br |
| 12:16.52 | dpkg | Por favor use #debian-br (/j #debian-br) para ajuda em portugues. |
| 12:17.03 | aluno13 | É |
| 12:17.26 | jose1711 | PerfDave, something like Xinerama but happening only on 1 monitor |
| 12:17.54 | PerfDave | jose1711: You want to have a desktop size which is greater than your screen resolution? That should be easy to achieve. |
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| 12:18.01 | aluno13 | VC É BRASILEIRO? |
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| 12:18.06 | jose1711 | PerfDave, well, yeah |
| 12:18.10 | greycat | aluno13: /j #debian-br |
| 12:18.11 | jose1711 | i'd love it |
| 12:18.38 | xoz | virtual size |
| 12:18.44 | eskaypey | hey how do i completely remove xfce4? i apt-get --purge remove xfce4 but when i startx xfce still starts |
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| 12:19.05 | greycat | !depends xfce4 sarge |
| 12:19.22 | eskaypey | yeah, sarge |
| 12:19.31 | dpkg | xfce4: depends on xfwm4, xfwm4-themes, xfce4-mcs-plugins, xfce4-panel, xfce4-themes, xfdesktop4, xffm4, xffm4-icons, xfce4-utils (>= 4.0.5-2), gtk2-engines-xfce, xfce4-session |
| 12:19.42 | directhex|work | xfce4 is a metapackage only |
| 12:19.43 | PerfDave | jose1711: What desktop are you using? |
| 12:19.44 | greycat | remove those, then remove anything *they* depend on, then ... |
| 12:19.53 | xoz | eskaypey: check .xsession |
| 12:20.37 | directhex|work | or update-alterantives --config x-window-manager |
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| 12:20.48 | eskaypey | xoz dont have .xsession only have .xsession-errors |
| 12:21.35 | jose1711 | PerfDave, Gnome but thinking about converting to something lighter (icewm/*box) |
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| 12:22.15 | directhex|work | jose1711, why not just use virtual desktops? |
| 12:22.51 | directhex|work | eskaypey, have you used update-alternatives yet? |
| 12:23.32 | jose1711 | directhex|work, cause windows cannot overlap the actual screen-width |
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| 12:24.36 | Cueball | I have a pronlem with UW-IMAP since upgrade to Sarge. I can no longer use non SSL connections to the server on port 143. Any idea's on how to allow Non SSL connections again please. |
| 12:24.40 | possie | PerfDave: ssh -o KeepAlive=yes user@host should have done the trick right? or should i've done it on the sshd config ? |
| 12:24.46 | directhex|work | jose1711, there is no way in hell you could achieve what you want _smoothly_ with xfree86 |
| 12:25.10 | xoz | eskaypey: create a .xsession in your home and exec the window manager you want instead of xfce4 |
| 12:25.16 | jose1711 | PerfDave, is that so? |
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| 12:25.55 | directhex|work | lord almighty. just change the bloody default wm, it's not complicated |
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| 12:26.36 | Cueball | !dpkg help |
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| 12:27.24 | PerfDave | jose1711: Hmm, I'm not sure of any nice applications to configure what you want in X, it might involve hand-editing your X config file. |
| 12:27.32 | eskaypey | directhet, says there is only one program that provides x-window-manager , /usr/bin/fluxbox |
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| 12:28.25 | yel | hi world :) |
| 12:28.45 | directhex|work | eskaypey, and x-session-manager? |
| 12:28.55 | cinix | So using the 2.6.x kernel, compiling my own kernel, do I need to compile the alsa module? |
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| 12:29.01 | yel | i just wants to know how to get ntop installed on debian im new to debian thanks for any help! |
| 12:29.02 | s-ndh-c_ | hi again |
| 12:29.08 | s-ndh-c_ | it just says the same |
| 12:29.21 | directhex|work | cinix, you tell us - if you're compiling your own kernel, you must know what you want |
| 12:29.25 | s-ndh-c_ | and my keyboard is not working with the selfbuild kernel |
| 12:29.56 | directhex|work | s-ndh-c_, so use a kernel-image? |
| 12:29.56 | greycat | so use a debian kernel |
| 12:29.56 | directhex|work | !debian kernel image |
| 12:29.56 | dpkg | <hexxeh|work> 99% of people in here who compile their own kernels are idiots, who don't know what they did, or did it badly. debian kernel images exist for a reason. |
| 12:30.01 | eskaypey | derecthet /usr/bin/xfce4-session |
| 12:30.02 | s-ndh-c_ | may i have forgoten devfs support in kernel? may that cause that error that /dev/hda1 doesnt exist? |
| 12:30.12 | eskaypey | directhex, sorry |
| 12:30.23 | s-ndh-c_ | no i hate prebuild kernel they are bloated up like hell |
| 12:30.29 | onre | "bloated up" |
| 12:30.33 | onre | right |
| 12:30.40 | directhex|work | s-ndh-c_, how can a modular kernel be bloated? |
| 12:30.43 | simonrvn | devfs doesn't use entries like hda1 |
| 12:30.43 | onre | take a look at the "bloated up" all-modular sarge kernel and think again |
| 12:30.49 | jetscreamer | lake of devfs used to bork stuff but not anymore. at least here. |
| 12:30.52 | cinix | Because there is a lot of reference to not needing to install ALSA module on the 2.6 kernel, to merely install base & utils, I was just wondering if something had changed in the kernel that would mean I didn' tneed to compile it |
| 12:30.55 | jetscreamer | s/lake/lack/ |
| 12:31.01 | cinix | sorry to be an idiot |
| 12:31.12 | onre | cinix, alsa is included in 2.6 |
| 12:31.14 | greycat | devfs is dead. |
| 12:31.16 | simonrvn | alsa is native to 2.6. |
| 12:31.16 | directhex|work | cinix, no, the point is 2.6 kernels INCLUDE alsa, you don't need to compile alsa separately |
| 12:31.21 | s-ndh-c_ | directhex|work: i allways load that initrd think with all the modules, that takes much longer than booting a kernel with only support for what i realy need |
| 12:31.31 | eskaypey | directhex, what do i do now? |
| 12:31.46 | s-ndh-c_ | dont know why its not working |
| 12:31.47 | onre | s-ndh-c_, how many times a day do you boot? |
| 12:32.00 | simonrvn | 23 |
| 12:32.00 | s-ndh-c_ | is kernel 2.6.10 not supported or something? |
| 12:32.02 | onre | s-ndh-c_, calculate that time against the time you've struggled with hand-building a kernel and see if it's really worth it |
| 12:32.09 | directhex|work | eskaypey, pick a different one? |
| 12:32.29 | s-ndh-c_ | onre: i allways build kernel by hand, it just doenst seem to work with sarge |
| 12:32.38 | onre | s-ndh-c_, is there a rational reason behind that? |
| 12:32.42 | simonrvn | nothing to do with sarge... |
| 12:32.54 | s-ndh-c_ | i just setup this box with gentoo and a selfbuild kernel and just copied its config |
| 12:33.06 | s-ndh-c_ | but those stupid errors prevent me from booting it |
| 12:33.10 | s-ndh-c_ | how can that be? |
| 12:33.13 | directhex|work | user error. |
| 12:33.18 | greycat | s-ndh-c_: it WOULD work if you did it right. you fucked up. |
| 12:33.22 | simonrvn | layer 8 problem |
| 12:33.23 | directhex|work | sarge works fine for me with a hand-made 2.6.11 based on debian 2.6.11 |
| 12:33.30 | onre | simonrvn, that's a good one :D |
| 12:33.36 | directhex|work | pinkware bug. |
| 12:33.41 | yel | guys where can set the source of packages to be installed something like make.conf in gentoo ?? |
| 12:33.45 | simonrvn | not original with me |
| 12:34.00 | simonrvn | i just like it :) |
| 12:34.02 | greycat | !make.conf |
| 12:34.03 | dpkg | methinks make.conf is a file that Gentoo and FreeBSD use to let you break your system in new and exciting ways by experimenting with untested gcc optimization flags when you build nonessential things like kernels and C libraries. NO, Debian does NOT have one of these. Ask me about <debian kernel image> and <source>. |
| 12:34.03 | s-ndh-c_ | greycat: but why doesnt my ps2 keyboard work, something must be wrong i have AT keyboard suport |
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| 12:34.11 | onre | yup, iso model and all :P |
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| 12:34.14 | s-ndh-c_ | do i need something else for keyboard? |
| 12:34.15 | onre | i mean osi |
| 12:34.17 | directhex|work | yel, /etc/apt/sources.list. run apt-setup. |
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| 12:34.33 | yel | okay thanks directhex|work |
| 12:34.39 | itom | hi all, any know a solution like mindterm to login ssh with a pc with public ip? (now I'm behind a proxy) |
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| 12:34.49 | greycat | itom: putty |
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| 12:35.21 | itom | greycat, putty with tunneling? |
| 12:35.50 | s-ndh-c_ | itom: are u at work? or why the hell do u have filtered internet access? |
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| 12:37.00 | itom | s-ndh-c_, I want to connect from a pc inside a company that use proxy server to a pc with public pc -> and I want to connecto to pc public via ssh |
| 12:37.07 | xrgtn | BTW, how can be resolved most easily the issue with putty and <Home>/<End> keys with Debian's default xterm? |
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| 12:37.32 | simonrvn | greycat: oh, fyi, netbsd has mk.conf =) |
| 12:37.40 | s-ndh-c_ | itom: ok, dont know if ssh will work through a proxy server |
| 12:37.48 | s-ndh-c_ | but iam sure it depends on the proxy |
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| 12:37.49 | jotham | hi, i can boot up from my debian cd, but once i boot up from my computer it doesn't detect the cdrom drive so i can't complete my debian install. the machine is a p2 350 compaq deskpro ens |
| 12:38.01 | Zambba | How can I mount cdrom drive? |
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| 12:38.18 | itom | s-ndh-c_, I can made it with tunneling.. but I search a simple solution |
| 12:38.18 | s-ndh-c_ | Zambba: mount /mnt/cdrom? |
| 12:38.22 | directhex|work | Zambba, mount /media/cdrom |
| 12:38.29 | s-ndh-c_ | ups |
| 12:38.38 | s-ndh-c_ | stupid shit |
| 12:38.40 | xrgtn | xterm has ^[[1~ and ^[[4 assigned for Home/End while putty something other |
| 12:38.50 | s-ndh-c_ | why is it /media? and not /mnt? |
| 12:39.00 | Zambba | Do I have to have a disk in the drive? |
| 12:39.03 | onre | why should it be /mnt? |
| 12:39.15 | streuner | Zambba: it would help |
| 12:39.19 | Zambba | It gives me error "Can't find media" |
| 12:39.25 | greycat | onre: you can use whatever you like |
| 12:39.25 | s-ndh-c_ | onre: cause /mnt/ is the standard dir for mounting things on |
| 12:39.29 | Zambba | or something I use Debian in my native language not English |
| 12:39.31 | onre | greycat, exactly. |
| 12:39.49 | streuner | Zambba: apt-get install locales |
| 12:39.50 | onre | s-ndh-c_, wrong. there is no standard. |
| 12:39.50 | s-ndh-c_ | Zambba: it has to be a cd in the drive |
| 12:40.02 | streuner | Zambba: and edit /etc/enviroment |
| 12:40.03 | greycat | xrgtn: and sarge (at least) has a putty terminfo entry. you can export TERM=putty |
| 12:40.12 | streuner | Zambba: /msg dpkg keymap |
| 12:40.14 | s-ndh-c_ | onre: its is /mnt just every where as default |
| 12:40.18 | directhex|work | s-ndh-c_, /media is what's used these days for removable media. sarge, as well as non-deb distros, use it |
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| 12:40.21 | greycat | ncurses-term: /usr/share/terminfo/p/putty |
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| 12:40.34 | taddeus | ciao |
| 12:40.39 | s-ndh-c_ | directhex|work: dont know only have gentoo and it doesnt use /media |
| 12:40.45 | onre | s-ndh-c_, wrong again. it's not that on solaris, it's not that on tru64, it's not that on many linux distros. |
| 12:40.45 | taddeus | chi cambia canale.... non trova pilu !!! |
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| 12:41.06 | s-ndh-c_ | onre: k |
| 12:41.10 | xrgtn | greycat: thanks! Actually I thought to recompile putty (if its source can be found somewhere on Internet) |
| 12:41.12 | jetscreamer | dpkg-reconfigure locales && dpkg-reconfigure console-data mayve |
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| 12:41.23 | alexskan | hi all, are Nforce4 chipset on new mobo 939 sck. supported by new kernels? |
| 12:41.24 | s-ndh-c_ | i just wanted to say its stupid to create an extra directory for removable media |
| 12:41.26 | directhex|work | s-ndh-c_, gentoo doesn't do anything any way unless you ask it to. you can't say "gentoo does foo", it's "i did foo with gentoo" |
| 12:41.29 | s-ndh-c_ | why should i do that? |
| 12:41.39 | onre | s-ndh-c_, why? what resources does one extra directory take up? |
| 12:41.42 | directhex|work | alexskan, should be. #debian-amd64 |
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| 12:41.56 | directhex|work | i think directories are stupid. one huge / is all we need |
| 12:41.56 | alexskan | tnx directhex|work |
| 12:42.03 | s-ndh-c_ | onre: nothin, but it doesnt realy make sense to create one |
| 12:42.04 | jotham | can i get the kernel to re-probe for my cdrom drive? |
| 12:42.11 | onre | directhex|work, one huge C:\, you mean? |
| 12:42.18 | onre | s-ndh-c_, why? |
| 12:42.25 | onre | s-ndh-c_, what sense it makes not to create one? |
| 12:42.33 | Guerin | s-ndh-c_: don't, then. You can mount anything to anywhere. Mount you removable storage to /usr if you like. |
| 12:42.36 | Guerin | <heh> |
| 12:42.36 | directhex|work | onre, it's all good |
| 12:42.45 | s-ndh-c_ | onre: its less work and works as well as creating one |
| 12:43.02 | Guerin | already been done |
| 12:43.09 | s-ndh-c_ | Guerin: i know that |
| 12:43.15 | Guerin | though I prefer theterm 'pervert' |
| 12:43.16 | onre | s-ndh-c_, ...until you have a memorystick and something and want to mount it temporarily. "oh, i'll just put it at /mnt!" - oh no you don't. |
| 12:43.19 | s-ndh-c_ | i dont create fstab entrys for all things i want to mount |
| 12:43.22 | onre | s/and/or/ |
| 12:43.27 | Guerin | s-ndh-c_: so stop whining and exercise your right to free will. |
| 12:43.30 | s-ndh-c_ | especialy not for samba cause the pws are clear text |
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| 12:43.40 | onre | s-ndh-c_, consider deleting init scripts too and writing all the stuff by hand every time you boot. |
| 12:43.48 | alexskan | directhex|work none alive there. As far as u know drivers are already released and present in new kernels? |
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| 12:43.49 | Guerin | onre: very wise. |
| 12:44.09 | directhex|work | alexskan, i know this nforce3 board works, can't say more than tha |
| 12:44.16 | s-ndh-c_ | onre: that is a good idea |
| 12:44.25 | s-ndh-c_ | one boot will take like 2 hours : p |
| 12:44.38 | directhex|work | sounds good |
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| 12:44.58 | s-ndh-c_ | anyways i dont get why that stupid kernel wont boot, and why my keayboard is not working |
| 12:44.59 | mne | hi ! I have a problem with apache2 and php. I installed libapache2-mod-php4 and checked that there's a link in /etc/apache2/mods-enabled so that the php4 configuration is included. The problem is that php doesn't seem to work everywhere. http://<server>/phpinfo.php works but something like http://<server>/phpsysinfo treats .phtml files like ordinary files. any hints ? |
| 12:45.13 | onre | s-ndh-c_, you've been told already why it is so. |
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| 12:45.46 | directhex|work | s-ndh-c_, because you didn't compile your kernel right. i don't know what you're missing, i use a) usb and b) hotplug/discover1 |
| 12:46.24 | s-ndh-c_ | mne: phtml is obsolete, use .php or configure ur apache to use the php interpreter to execute php code in phtml files |
| 12:47.17 | PerfDave | Hmm, I've installed lm-sensors on my system (2.6 kernel), and run sensors-detect which found some sensors. I've modprobed the relevant modules but I can't get sensors to report any CPU temperature information. Any idea where I should be looking? |
| 12:47.20 | mne | s-ndh-c_, it interpretes .phtml as php code, so eg http://<server>/phpinfo.phtml works fine. |
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| 12:47.47 | s-ndh-c_ | mne: check the apache main config, the module configs should be included there, just look for theyr name and edit them |
| 12:47.58 | s-ndh-c_ | for php take a look at mod_php |
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| 12:48.33 | takatumi | s-ndh-c_: is it a USB keyboard? |
| 12:48.34 | s-ndh-c_ | mne: oh i missread ur text |
| 12:48.34 | directhex|work | PerfDave, you'd be surprised how much a reboot helps new lm-sensors installs |
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| 12:48.48 | PerfDave | directhex|work: Righty ho, I'll give that a go then. |
| 12:48.51 | mne | s-ndh-c_, the configs are included: apache2.conf:Include /etc/apache2/mods-enabled/*.load and *.conf. |
| 12:48.55 | s-ndh-c_ | takatumi: no its ps2 so i assumed AT keyboard support should be enough |
| 12:48.59 | mne | s-ndh-c_, no prob, thanks for helping ;) |
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| 12:49.54 | mne | s-ndh-c_, btw, it's the same with .php files, some do work and others don't, no idea why .. |
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| 12:51.08 | Guerin | aargh |
| 12:51.20 | s-ndh-c_ | mne: maybe those files that do not work, have strange php tags in them? maybe u have not allowed short style tags |
| 12:51.26 | Guerin | somehow I stumbled across CSI s/ash fanfic |
| 12:51.31 | Cueball | I have a pronlem with UW-IMAP since upgrade to Sarge. I can no longer use non SSL connections to the server on port 143. Any idea's on how to allow Non SSL connections again please. |
| 12:51.48 | Xsquared | where is the mysql log stored? |
| 12:51.54 | Guerin | !logd |
| 12:51.56 | Guerin | !logs |
| 12:51.56 | dpkg | logs are what you should always check when you have a problem. They live in /var/log/ |
| 12:52.02 | Xsquared | thanks |
| 12:52.07 | mne | s-ndh-c_, short style tags ? how can I allow them ? |
| 12:52.13 | Xsquared | i thought it might've been somewhere else |
| 12:52.15 | s-ndh-c_ | Cueball: maybe u change imap prtokol version |
| 12:52.16 | Xsquared | but heh |
| 12:52.31 | PerfDave | directhex|work: Bah, nothing doing. It's just reporting some stuff about memory controllers, nothing about CPU temperatures. |
| 12:52.43 | s-ndh-c_ | Cueball: i think the newer one uses ssl connection on some port begining with 9 but dont know which |
| 12:52.54 | Guerin | s-ndh-c_: 993 |
| 12:53.01 | Cueball | Xsquared, /var/lib/mysql |
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| 12:53.26 | directhex|work | PerfDave, :/ |
| 12:53.28 | Guerin | if it's just that you haven't told your imapd to listen on 143 then it should be a matter of fixing a config file |
| 12:53.31 | directhex|work | PerfDave, unsupported sensor? |
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| 12:54.19 | PerfDave | directhex|work: I guess it must be. |
| 12:54.19 | Cueball | Guerin, I've selected it in Debconf and tried it with Force ports and not to force ports but it still wont work |
| 12:54.45 | Guerin | Cueball: what error do you get when you telnet in? |
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| 12:54.50 | eskaypey | where can i find 'parts' of gnome like panel, to use with fluxbox |
| 12:54.51 | mne | s-ndh-c_, is that the php option "short_open_tag" ? I couldn't find anything else in my php config |
| 12:55.04 | eskaypey | where can i find 'parts' of gnome like panel, to use with fluxbox |
| 12:55.14 | greycat | eskaypey: apt-cache search gnome panel |
| 12:55.16 | directhex|work | !find gnome-panel |
| 12:55.16 | Guerin | !tell eskaypey about repeat |
| 12:55.18 | dpkg | Debian Package Listing of 'gnome-panel' (2): gnome-panel ;; gnome-panel-data. |
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| 12:55.25 | directhex|work | ^^ there. |
| 12:55.44 | Cueball | !find uw-imapd |
| 12:55.45 | dpkg | Debian Package Listing of 'uw-imapd' (2): uw-imapd ;; uw-imapd-ssl. |
| 12:55.52 | kappel79 | are u the real dpkg ? i use you every day! |
| 12:55.54 | kappel79 | lol |
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| 12:56.08 | Guerin | dpkg, repeat is also for more information, ask me about <repeat> |
| 12:56.08 | dpkg | Guerin: okay |
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| 12:56.37 | Cueball | !repeat |
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| 12:56.37 | dpkg | somebody said repeat was if nobody answers your question, don't just repeat it. Spamming the channel and getting ignored/banned/silenced isn't going to get a faster answer; spamming is a function of time. More likely, nobody knows the answer (/msg dpkg ask), or you need to provide more information (/msg apt sicco), or ask about "smart questions", or for more information, ask me about <repeat> |
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| 12:56.55 | Billyium | i got a question about knoppix |
| 12:56.57 | chealer | hehe Guerin |
| 12:57.00 | chealer | !knoppix |
| 12:57.00 | dpkg | Knoppix is _not_ Debian. Seek knoppix help in #knoppix. For those of you who don't know, knoppix is a livecd distro based on debian. It's useful as a rescue cd, to test hardware, and for situations where you have access to a computer but it doesn't run debian. http://www.knoppix.com/. Please go to #knoppix |
| 12:57.01 | streuner | #knoppix |
| 12:57.03 | Guerin | Billyium: ask #knoppix |
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| 12:57.47 | Gnea | that was nice and blatant. |
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| 12:59.19 | jesperj | I am trying to download the latest wine debs with the instructions on http://www.winehq.org/site/download-deb. I have added an entry in /etc/apt/sources.list list "deb http://wine.sourceforge.net/apt/ binary/" and ran apt-get update. Yet "apt-get install wine" installs "wine_0.0.20050310-1.1_i386.deb" which doesn't sound like the latest one |
| 12:59.43 | Gnea | jesperj: have you apt-cache show wine? |
| 12:59.47 | mne | s-ndh-c_, I found something out, php does work in /phpsysinfo, it just doesn't use index.php as index. but in apache2.conf: "DirectoryIndex index.html index.cgi index.pl index.php index.xhtml" |
| 12:59.49 | jesperj | will do |
| 12:59.50 | Gnea | make sure you have the right one |
| 12:59.50 | Cueball | Guerin, Any idea's on where the config file is and what it's called for UW-IMAPD? |
| 12:59.59 | greycat | !uw |
| 12:59.59 | dpkg | uw is probably the university of washington, http://www.washington.edu/ Don't use anything from UW, they are hellspawn of security vulnerabilities. |
| 13:00.12 | Gnea | mne: just change the order |
| 13:00.20 | jethro | but it has holes indeed |
| 13:00.21 | mne | Gnea, I'll try, thx |
| 13:00.32 | asg | like a sieve |
| 13:00.44 | Cueball | LoL |
| 13:00.55 | Guerin | Cueball: nope |
| 13:01.06 | jethro | I would say bigger holes than a sieve :) |
| 13:01.10 | greycat | and it's AWFUL too. |
| 13:01.20 | greycat | it copies your ENTIRE mailbox (mbox format, no less) into /tmp. |
| 13:01.25 | jesperj | Gnea, Filename: binary/wine_0.0.20050310-1_i386.deb. http://www.winehq.org/site/download says latest wine "snapshot date" is 20050419. what am I doing wrong? |
| 13:01.27 | Gnea | mne: if index.php is before index.html then index.php will be used first if there is both |
| 13:01.28 | asg | greycat: ewww |
| 13:01.30 | greycat | and then it copies it AGAIN into your home directory |
| 13:01.30 | jethro | did they steal the idea from cvs? |
| 13:01.52 | greycat | asg: guess how I know this. Go on, guess. Hint: it involves df(1). |
| 13:01.59 | asg | haha |
| 13:02.06 | mne | looool, sorry everyone, my apache2 "problem" was actually not an apache2 problem, but a browser-cache problem. I deleted my browser cache and now it works just fine. thanks everyone for trying to help. |
| 13:02.16 | asg | greycat: /tmp got full eh? |
| 13:02.17 | mne | Gnea, thx, i just solved the "problem" :) |
| 13:02.36 | Gnea | jesperj: apt-cache search wine |
| 13:02.36 | greycat | asg: actually I can't remember whether it was /tmp or /home right now. |
| 13:02.43 | Gnea | jesperj: maybe it's called something else |
| 13:02.50 | greycat | asg: the point being: UW-IMAP sucks, and mbox sucks. |
| 13:02.52 | asg | greycat: either way, a blatheringly stupid way to do something |
| 13:02.58 | jethro | would you consider it a potentiel security problem to do online payment using ssl and the CONNECT method through a proxy? |
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| 13:03.04 | Gnea | jesperj: or maybe there's another sub-directory |
| 13:03.19 | Gnea | jethro: depends who's running the proxy. |
| 13:03.26 | jethro | my employer |
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| 13:03.41 | Gnea | do you trust your employer? |
| 13:03.47 | jethro | my fucking dedicated server provider doesn't allow me to pay my bill from the office |
| 13:03.50 | jethro | Gnea: yes I do |
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| 13:04.02 | Gnea | and why won't they allow it? |
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| 13:04.21 | Gnea | MAYBE YOU SHOULD MAKE SOME MONEY FIRST? :) |
| 13:04.24 | jethro | because they say it's a security problem |
| 13:04.30 | jethro | morons |
| 13:04.35 | jesperj | Gnea, well I just noticed that the maintainer for the winehq debs is Scott Ritchie and "apt-cache show wine" says the maintainer is also Scott Richie. I guess the conclusion is that the latest wine build deb he has produced is a 20050310 snapshot ow wine |
| 13:04.49 | jesperj | so I guess I DO have the latest one available |
| 13:05.02 | greycat | !info wine sid |
| 13:05.03 | Gnea | but wait |
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| 13:05.16 | PerfDave | Uhm, if you're using https, isn't it encrypted before it gets to the proxy? |
| 13:05.17 | Guerin | jesperj: httpd |
| 13:05.18 | dpkg | wine: (Windows Emulator (Binary Emulator)), section otherosfs, is optional. Version: 0.0.20050419-1 (sid), Packaged size: 1361 kB, Installed size: 3244 kB |
| 13:05.19 | jesperj | greycat, sarge here |
| 13:05.32 | Gnea | jethro: "if you don't want my money there's always someone else that does." |
| 13:05.37 | jethro | PerfDave: when you use connect, it does, so that's why I m wondering about their reasons |
| 13:05.38 | Gnea | :) |
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| 13:06.25 | jesperj | greycat, Thank you, but I rather not move to sid from sarge for wine |
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| 13:07.53 | Cueball | Okay I'm gona change UW-IMAPd any recomendations on a new IMAP server that supports POP3, IMAP4, IMAPS and IMAP Subscriptions. |
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| 13:08.06 | asg | Cueball: courier, dovecot |
| 13:08.07 | greycat | !simple sid backport |
| 13:08.07 | dpkg | well, simple sid backport is 1) Add a deb-src line for sid to your sources.list. 2) apt-get update 3) apt-get build-dep packagename;apt-get -b source packagename 4) install the resulting debs, or pay someone to do it properly :) |
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| 13:08.20 | jethro | courier ! |
| 13:08.21 | Cueball | Ok Thanx asg |
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| 13:08.25 | asg | Cueball: you're welcome |
| 13:08.57 | Gnea | interesting. |
| 13:09.49 | Gnea | jesperj: oh, no wonder. |
| 13:10.01 | mosty | what's the proper method for removing links in /etc/rc*/ so that they aren't recreated when the package that owns them is upgraded? |
| 13:10.15 | Paganist | I had a synaptic error (my fault) since my var partition is too small for the debian packages coming from apt (var/cache/apt/*) since there is a while i didn't dist-upgrade.... Anything particular to link to a directory of an other partition amd restart from there ? |
| 13:10.18 | Gnea | lftp wine.sourceforge.net:/apt/binary> ls |
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| 13:11.00 | greycat | mosty: rm didn't work? |
| 13:11.09 | PerfDave | Paganist: Have you tried using apt-get clean or apt-get autoclean to clear out your apt cache? |
| 13:11.23 | mosty | greycat, rm works fine, but they're recreated when the package is upgraded |
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| 13:11.37 | Paganist | PerfDave: well, i don't think there was so much time i did this |
| 13:11.44 | Paganist | PerfDave: i'll try now... |
| 13:11.51 | jesperj | Gnea, lftp? what deb provides that |
| 13:11.56 | Gnea | jesperj: you're not going to find anything past 0310 there. |
| 13:12.02 | jesperj | mhm |
| 13:12.07 | jesperj | thought so |
| 13:12.12 | Gnea | the entire site is set to then. |
| 13:12.18 | Gnea | only actual sid has the current. |
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| 13:12.41 | jesperj | Gnea, good to know I'm not totally crazy ;) |
| 13:12.42 | greycat | jesperj: which is why I said "!simple sid backport" |
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| 13:12.46 | jesperj | just nearly |
| 13:13.02 | jesperj | greycat, I missed that ty |
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| 13:13.17 | Gnea | jesperj: it's okay to break microsoft windows but leave the real windows intact ;) |
| 13:13.46 | jesperj | but the draft is so nice |
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| 13:13.57 | yel | how do you log all the traffic-data into a file please ?? (tcpdump or ntop or .. ?) |
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| 13:14.41 | Gnea | yel: with a redirect. |
| 13:14.49 | Gnea | you say |
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| 13:14.58 | Paganist | PerfDave: ran dpkg --configure -a then apt-get clean then apt-get -f install |
| 13:15.02 | Paganist | seems ok so far |
| 13:15.05 | Gnea | "just do it." |
| 13:15.24 | Gnea | yel: > |
| 13:15.25 | PerfDave | yel: You probably want to use -l with tcpdump if you're logging or teeing. |
| 13:15.28 | yel | can you explain please Gnea tcpdump -i interface -f file or tcpdump > file ?? |
| 13:15.36 | Gnea | yel: man tcpdump |
| 13:15.49 | Gnea | YES THERE IS A COMMAND CALLED MAN YOU SHOULD USE IT |
| 13:15.52 | Gnea | !man |
| 13:15.53 | dpkg | well, man is a little guy that knows everything about linux... just do man <commandname> and he will teach you all about <commandname>, or http://man.mirrorlynx.com to get online manpages, or mannotincluded.com, or a Municipal Area Network (city), or check ASD @ http://savannah.nongnu.org/projects/asd/ |
| 13:15.56 | Paganist | just an heck with base-config it seems |
| 13:15.59 | Gnea | :D |
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| 13:16.28 | yel | i want the options thats makes tcpdump log the whole data not only the piece of it Gnea, PerfDave ?? |
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| 13:16.41 | Gnea | yel: man tcpdump ! |
| 13:16.50 | Gnea | holy cow this guy cannot READ |
| 13:16.51 | mortum | someone who use xmess-x that say me how to use msx with it? |
| 13:16.52 | greycat | Gnea: needs more !! I think. |
| 13:16.57 | Gnea | !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! |
| 13:16.59 | Gnea | how bout that? |
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| 13:17.06 | directhex|work | !!!! |
| 13:17.06 | dpkg | "Multiple exclamation marks," he went on, shaking his head, "are a sure sign of a diseased mind." - Terry Pratchett, Eric |
| 13:17.11 | yel | bleieve me Gnea i have been there for more than 30 min :s |
| 13:17.37 | Gnea | hrm |
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| 13:21.37 | Xteven | hello, does anyone here use multi-gnome-terminal ? |
| 13:21.41 | Xteven | and maybe knows how to set my own url handler ? (when I hold trl and press middle mouse button) |
| 13:21.46 | jm_ | Xteven: I used to use it |
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| 13:22.03 | Xteven | any reason why you stopped using it jm_ ? |
| 13:22.17 | jm_ | Xteven: back then I edited ~/.gnome/Gnome and set http-show=galeon -n "%s" |
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| 13:22.21 | jm_ | Xteven: yes, I swtched to mrxvt |
| 13:22.25 | jm_ | switched even |
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| 13:22.37 | Xteven | aha |
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| 13:26.29 | Paganist | Is there a particular reason to which the font cache has to be regenerated at each font beeing installed ? i have lots of fonts on this station and upgrades are very very long because of the font cache beeing regenerating for each updated font... |
| 13:26.42 | Guerin | it's a cache |
| 13:27.02 | Guerin | if it doesn't re-cache after somethinc changes, what sort of cache is it? |
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| 13:27.17 | greycat | Guerin: a stale one. |
| 13:27.20 | Paganist | yes but it could install all fonts and then regenerated |
| 13:27.28 | Guerin | greycat: which doesn't have the new fonts in. |
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| 13:27.51 | Guerin | Paganist: it could, true. If one was doing it manually, that's how one would do it. |
| 13:28.03 | Paganist | yup but in the case of a dist-upgrade it wouldn't make difference |
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| 13:28.25 | Guerin | Paganist: you could probably hack the postinst scripts and submit a BTS report and patch to fix that. |
| 13:28.39 | Gnea | yel: -w <file> |
| 13:28.47 | Paganist | Guerin: well, i just was thinking it might be a way to get faster the fonts updates |
| 13:28.55 | yel | thanks Gnea ! |
| 13:29.14 | Paganist | Guerin: yes, i could, whenever i'll have time, i surely will |
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| 13:29.22 | Guerin | Paganist: upgrade timeframes don't bother me... I do them when I'm not doing much else. |
| 13:29.36 | Paganist | the problem in this sentence is "whenever i'll have time" |
| 13:29.44 | Guerin | heh |
| 13:29.49 | xophEr | How do I make a module load automatically on startup? |
| 13:29.54 | jetdotnet | speaking of, why does each font have 'regenerating font cache' or whatever, why not just wait till they're all installed |
| 13:30.00 | jetdotnet | edit /etc/modules |
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| 13:30.17 | Guerin | echo modulename >> /etc/modules |
| 13:30.38 | Guerin | jetdotnet: that's specifically and exactly what Paganist's issue is. |
| 13:30.43 | jetdotnet | ah |
| 13:30.47 | jetdotnet | sounded familiar |
| 13:30.49 | xophEr | thanks |
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| 13:31.34 | jetdotnet | and i dont' like updating chrome theme for mozilla either :) |
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| 13:31.51 | Guerin | bah |
| 13:31.57 | jetdotnet | esp since i don't use it |
| 13:32.12 | Guerin | wtf are you geezers running? I use a 233 laptop most of the time and I never notice this shit. |
| 13:32.24 | Paganist | Guerin: i got lots of fonts |
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| 13:32.31 | Guerin | you must have |
| 13:32.35 | Paganist | i do |
| 13:32.46 | jetdotnet | i like to watch dselect's output and drink a beer |
| 13:32.47 | Gnea | heh |
| 13:32.48 | Paganist | i maybe have them all |
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| 13:32.54 | Gnea | BEER |
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| 13:32.56 | Gnea | that's what i need |
| 13:33.16 | Gnea | but poisoned with WHAT? |
| 13:33.31 | jetdotnet | alcohol is poison |
| 13:33.38 | Gnea | so's your mom's gaze |
| 13:33.40 | abrotman | !seen jetscreamer |
| 13:33.41 | dpkg | jetscreamer <~jetscream@adsl-64-219-216-41.dsl.hstntx.swbell.net> was last seen on IRC in channel #debian, 52m 29s ago, saying: 'dpkg-reconfigure locales && dpkg-reconfigure console-data mayve'. |
| 13:33.45 | abrotman | Gnea: shouldn't you be at work ? |
| 13:33.50 | WorkerII | How do I get my tun/tap working, so I can have network on my qemu win95 ? |
| 13:33.51 | jetdotnet | !worship jetscreamer |
| 13:33.51 | Gnea | abrotman: i am :) |
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| 13:33.59 | abrotman | Gnea: oh .. you normally don't irc during the day :) |
| 13:34.09 | Gnea | abrotman: what do *you* know? :) |
| 13:34.18 | Gnea | actually i do |
| 13:34.19 | jetdotnet | s/mayve/maybe/ |
| 13:34.25 | abrotman | Gnea: just not here? |
| 13:34.27 | Gnea | i'm usually in and out quite quickly tho |
| 13:34.31 | Gnea | here yet not here |
| 13:34.32 | Paganist | bbs |
| 13:34.32 | abrotman | ah .. gotcha |
| 13:34.47 | Gnea | it's nice out for once |
| 13:35.11 | jetdotnet | gee that jetscreamer guy has the same hostmask as me... |
| 13:35.18 | Gnea | yet it's still cold |
| 13:35.31 | abrotman | Gnea: yeah .. that's spring |
| 13:35.34 | WorkerII | Is it imposible to use tun/tap with debian kernel? |
| 13:35.41 | Guerin | Gnea: they call it 'lighting fires' |
| 13:35.44 | Guerin | man |
| 13:35.48 | Guerin | it was fucking HOT today |
| 13:35.51 | WorkerII | But "man what" ? |
| 13:35.55 | Guerin | in fact, it still is |
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| 13:36.07 | Gnea | Guerin: i don't fart enough for that |
| 13:36.20 | Guerin | i'm sitting in front of the damn computer in jeans and nothing else, and I live in the fucking MOUNTAINS! |
| 13:36.23 | jetdotnet | yeh i get to put all new ac in my van this weekend oh boy byebye paycheck |
| 13:36.28 | sep | WorkerII: why should that be impossible ? |
| 13:36.31 | Gnea | well |
| 13:36.36 | Gnea | your climate is different |
| 13:36.47 | jetdotnet | climb higher |
| 13:36.58 | abrotman | Gnea: not really |
| 13:37.03 | abrotman | oh .. not mine |
| 13:37.09 | abrotman | Gnea: agreed .. must move south! |
| 13:37.10 | Guerin | it should be cold here... people thought I was clinically insane when I went swimmin at the beach last week |
| 13:37.12 | Gnea | abrotman: you forget where i am at right now? |
| 13:37.15 | Gnea | :D |
| 13:37.19 | Guerin | they tried to stop me from going near the water |
| 13:37.22 | abrotman | Gnea: WI .. miluakee! |
| 13:37.24 | Gnea | yes, the south actually has something good |
| 13:37.27 | Guerin | a guy with a loudspeaker came out and all |
| 13:37.33 | abrotman | Gnea: do i get a prize? |
| 13:37.39 | Gnea | abrotman: yes! where the coldest pockets of air coagulate! |
| 13:37.39 | jonathh | hey are there any courier-imap geniusus in here? |
| 13:37.50 | abrotman | Gnea: not quite .. i have to go to hurley this summer :) |
| 13:38.07 | Gnea | abrotman: where the hell's that? |
| 13:38.19 | abrotman | Gnea: up near the UP ... right on the border |
| 13:38.40 | mosty | jonathh: i'm no expert, it's so simple i don't need to be |
| 13:38.44 | Gnea | abrotman: hrm |
| 13:38.48 | abrotman | Gnea: basically . the very top of WI :) |
| 13:38.49 | Guerin | mosty: heh, me too |
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| 13:39.12 | Guerin | abrotman: are you visiting you Aged Relatives again? |
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| 13:39.17 | jonathh | ok the mosty |
| 13:39.25 | abrotman | Guerin: no .. it's the funeral services this time |
| 13:39.31 | Guerin | oh, damn. |
| 13:39.39 | abrotman | Guerin: unless you count my mom as aged :) |
| 13:39.45 | Guerin | do you inherit a cheese factory? |
| 13:39.48 | abrotman | which .. at 62 .. you might |
| 13:39.51 | abrotman | Guerin: i wish |
| 13:39.53 | jonathh | then perhaps you can tell me why it wont compile. it fails on couriertls |
| 13:40.01 | Guerin | !wayc jonathh |
| 13:40.03 | dpkg | jonathh: Why are you compiling instead of using apt-get? |
| 13:40.14 | mosty | jonathh, what guerin just did/said |
| 13:40.14 | jonathh | ah well |
| 13:40.16 | jonathh | you see |
| 13:40.17 | Cozwei | hi, how can i setup my network manually? is there a tool for that? i installed sarge and sarge gave me dhcp. but i'd like to use a static ip address |
| 13:40.22 | jonathh | i am after more general help. |
| 13:40.24 | Guerin | no, I don't |
| 13:40.37 | abrotman | jonathh: so you're not using debian ? |
| 13:40.49 | jonathh | yes i use debian... but i want to compile it myself. |
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| 13:40.56 | abrotman | why? |
| 13:41.01 | jonathh | as i want to be certain of getting it to work on other platforms |
| 13:41.05 | jm_ | Cozwei: use any editor (man interfaces; read /usr/share/doc/ifupdown/*) or use etherconf |
| 13:41.07 | Guerin | give us a good reason why you're not using the debian packages, or people are unlikely to give two farts and a margarita |
| 13:41.07 | PerfDave | jonathh: In that case, read the APT HOWTO on working with source packages. |
| 13:41.12 | ircdevil | what is the recommended way of adding greyscaling to a postfix/procmail/spamassassin mail setup? |
| 13:41.16 | PerfDave | Mangina! |
| 13:41.17 | mosty | jonathh: apt-get build courier-imap |
| 13:41.26 | abrotman | jonathh: that doesn't make sense .. getting it to compile on linux has nothing to do with getting it to compile on say .. solaris |
| 13:41.44 | ircdevil | err graylisting |
| 13:41.46 | jonathh | well i want to be sure i could get it to work on deadrat.. or gentoo say |
| 13:41.48 | Gnea | er |
| 13:41.51 | ircdevil | <- stupid |
| 13:41.54 | jonathh | so i am compiling from source |
| 13:42.02 | sep | jonathh: there is a #courier channel you know. they might have 'general' courier knowledge |
| 13:42.04 | Guerin | jonathh: #courier is the place for you |
| 13:42.10 | abrotman | jonathh: but .. those distros have those in rpm/portage for you |
| 13:42.13 | Guerin | !beer sep |
| 13:42.22 | sep | Guerin: ahhhh :) |
| 13:42.29 | abrotman | jonathh: so why are you compiling again ? |
| 13:42.37 | jonathh | i have tried courier |
| 13:42.42 | jonathh | cos i am a pain in the arse |
| 13:42.43 | jonathh | lol |
| 13:42.44 | abrotman | i know RH has courier RPMs .. and i'd be surprised if gentoo didn't have it |
| 13:42.47 | jonathh | i want to compile. |
| 13:43.01 | Guerin | abrotman: gentoo has the version that will be released next week |
| 13:43.05 | PerfDave | jonathh: /msg dpkg usrlocal |
| 13:43.07 | Guerin | that's how fast gentoo is |
| 13:43.18 | abrotman | Guerin: yeah .. it's great |
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| 13:43.23 | PerfDave | Guerin: It just won't work for another three months ;) |
| 13:43.25 | abrotman | jonathh: /msg dpkg stow |
| 13:43.30 | jonathh | err |
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| 13:43.34 | Guerin | PerfDave: irrelevant detail |
| 13:43.55 | Guerin | PerfDave: if it compiles, it's good... if it runs, it's perfect. |
| 13:44.05 | ircdevil | !greylist |
| 13:44.12 | abrotman | jonathh: anyways .. did you install all the -dev packages you need? |
| 13:44.15 | ircdevil | stupid bot |
| 13:44.20 | Zambba | I have again problems with rights. My users have html files in their /public_html files but I can't surf from other computer to http://computers_address/~user/file.. :/ |
| 13:44.20 | Guerin | ircdevil: i've only seen it done with openbsd |
| 13:44.29 | jonathh | i installed everything that i can see that i need.. it configures ok |
| 13:44.32 | Guerin | ircdevil: but I haven't bothered to do much research... |
| 13:44.35 | PerfDave | Guerin: Where did you get this crazy idea that Gentoo ebuilds actually compile *successfully*? |
| 13:44.45 | jonathh | the stuff it falls over on.. *seem* to be ssl stuff.. but i have told it where to find that |
| 13:44.45 | Guerin | PerfDave: irrelevant detail |
| 13:44.46 | abrotman | Zambba: #apache would probably be more help |
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| 13:44.55 | ircdevil | Guerin: what? no greylisting for debian/linux? |
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| 13:45.01 | Zambba | ok |
| 13:45.04 | PerfDave | Guerin: It's why Gentoo is so fast. Segfaulting on startup is much quicker than actually working, measured by "time" :) |
| 13:45.06 | abrotman | jonathh: did you compile ssl too ? |
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| 13:45.11 | Guerin | Liza[BG]: don't message me. If you want to know where I'm from, /whois or google me. |
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| 13:45.22 | PerfDave | Zambba: Check /var/log/apache/access.log |
| 13:45.23 | Guerin | PerfDave: irrelevant detail |
| 13:45.29 | jonathh | i did compile.. some time ago. it is in a non-standard location. but i have told it where it is |
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| 13:45.36 | Guerin | ircdevil: I didn't say that at all. |
| 13:45.38 | jonathh | it wouldn't get past configure without that |
| 13:45.39 | endus | test |
| 13:45.39 | abrotman | jonathh: why are you even using debian ? |
| 13:46.18 | abrotman | obviosuly not for the great package management |
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| 13:46.23 | Essobi | Grrr... This Radeon X300 multihead kinda sucks. |
| 13:46.36 | endus | huhu Voyager_MP |
| 13:46.46 | Essobi | What what? |
| 13:46.50 | jonathh | i use it because it seems all the jobs in the city require debian exposure. |
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| 13:47.05 | PerfDave | jonathh: Which city? :) |
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| 13:47.11 | jonathh | THE city :) london |
| 13:47.12 | Essobi | jonathh Then you're paid to get over it. |
| 13:47.23 | jonathh | not yet im not |
| 13:47.25 | jonathh | anyways |
| 13:47.27 | jonathh | cheers guys. |
| 13:47.41 | jonathh | thought it might have been something someone might've seen |
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| 13:47.43 | Voyager_MP | huhu endus |
| 13:48.01 | Essobi | Shaddup Beavis. |
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| 13:48.25 | abrotman | jonathh: but you're not using debian .. you're learning how to fuck it up |
| 13:48.31 | abrotman | which .. surely won't get you a job |
| 13:48.40 | Essobi | NINJAKICK |
| 13:48.49 | endus | users |
| 13:48.57 | PerfDave | jonathh: There are lots of cities, London is only one ;p |
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| 13:49.03 | PerfDave | abrotman: You'd be surprised. |
| 13:49.16 | PerfDave | abrotman: I mean, someone gave *me* a job as a Debian admin ;) |
| 13:49.26 | abrotman | oh right .. i work in a land where kids at the mall have more money than the man who works 40hrs a week |
| 13:49.37 | abrotman | PerfDave: yeah .. maybe i shpould move over there :) |
| 13:49.42 | ircdevil | is there a greylisting howto? (i see several mail howtos) |
| 13:49.48 | Essobi | abrotman Pffft. Where you work? |
| 13:50.03 | abrotman | Essobi: states |
| 13:50.14 | abrotman | wtf is pffft? |
| 13:50.27 | abrotman | heh |
| 13:50.37 | Essobi | Only reason the "kids" have more money is cause their daddy give it to them who DOES work 40 hours a week.. or they're selling dope. :) |
| 13:50.59 | ircdevil | @botfuck dpkg |
| 13:51.01 | Essobi | abrotman Disdain, disbelief.. put your lips together and blow.. it's rathe rlike a rasberry. :) |
| 13:51.05 | Guerin | my ability to fuck up systems extends as far as macos7, windows 95-XP, red hat, fedora and mandrake, too |
| 13:51.19 | Essobi | Guerin That's the spirit! |
| 13:51.28 | Essobi | Equil opportunity fucker-upper! |
| 13:51.31 | Essobi | equal |
| 13:51.34 | Guerin | Essobi: damn straight |
| 13:51.35 | abrotman | Essobi: are you always an idiot? |
| 13:51.44 | Guerin | you lay it down, I'll fuck it up |
| 13:51.47 | Essobi | abrotman Say my .. |
| 13:51.49 | Essobi | MAHAHA.. |
| 13:51.59 | abrotman | Essobi: my office is about ... 3 minutes from the largest mall on the east coast .. and possibly the country |
| 13:52.08 | Essobi | abrotman Say my handle slowly |
| 13:52.16 | Guerin | does philly count as the coast? |
| 13:52.17 | Essobi | and think phonetics.. |
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| 13:52.31 | abrotman | Guerin: yes |
| 13:52.35 | Guerin | oh, ok. |
| 13:52.37 | abrotman | Guerin: it's an east coast city |
| 13:52.37 | Essobi | abrotman Nice. Still mommy and daddy's money unless they went out and worked for it. |
| 13:52.43 | Guerin | how far inland are you? |
| 13:52.52 | abrotman | Essobi: doesn't matter .. still more money than others who work for it |
| 13:53.12 | abrotman | Guerin: from the true beach .. about 2 hrs drive .. from any salt water .. about 1 hour |
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| 13:53.22 | Guerin | oh, not far |
| 13:53.25 | abrotman | nope |
| 13:53.30 | Guerin | i thought you lot were all up on the mountains |
| 13:53.35 | Guerin | like in The Deer Hunter |
| 13:53.38 | Essobi | heh |
| 13:53.41 | abrotman | Guerin: that's where i grew up |
| 13:53.43 | Essobi | No that's where I'm at. |
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| 13:53.49 | Guerin | oh, ok. |
| 13:53.52 | jetdotnet | ess oh bye |
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| 13:54.01 | jetdotnet | byebye |
| 13:54.02 | yel | does anyone know how to change the webmin passwd and useres ?? |
| 13:54.07 | abrotman | Essobi: where i grew up .. better chance getting a job if you know how to weld than use debian |
| 13:54.08 | jetdotnet | !webmin |
| 13:54.08 | dpkg | i heard webmin is a lame web-based interface for unsafe system administration for Unix. Using any browser that supports tables and forms, you can setup user accounts, internet services, DNS, file sharing and so on. Check it out at http://www.webmin.com/webmin/ but, remember, dondelelcaro *hates* webmin. don't use it!, or "i'd rather sit on the floor shoving table knives into live electrical outlets than run webmin on an exposed server." g) |
| 13:54.09 | abrotman | !webmin |
| 13:54.14 | Essobi | jetdotnet S O B |
| 13:54.16 | Guerin | yel: apt-get remove --purge webmin does the trick |
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| 13:54.33 | jetdotnet | Essobi: bi is pronounced bye here |
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| 13:54.41 | jetdotnet | bi-lateral |
| 13:54.45 | Essobi | abrotman Sweet. |
| 13:54.49 | abrotman | sweet? |
| 13:54.50 | Essobi | abrotman Weld much? |
| 13:54.53 | jetdotnet | yes i groked your attempt :) |
| 13:54.56 | abrotman | don't even know how |
| 13:54.59 | Essobi | Welding is fun. |
| 13:55.08 | mckillroy | I use a kernel on two identical root directories within a machine with scsi and ata disks. booting into the scsi (+softraid1) installation regularly hangs the system after a minute or so. the ata booted version is stable, even with X. I already had a stable (standard) kernel running on the scsi disks without problems. How can I fix that ? the system logs are not really helpful, since thy do not provide additional information c |
| 13:55.09 | mckillroy | healthy (ATA) booted system.. |
| 13:55.21 | Essobi | I framed houses for a while, that was fun too. |
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| 13:56.00 | yel | Guerin, its a system i just recieved and im not the one who installed tha lame thing but i want to finde out what the passes and all of that since the old admin did leave nothing (only problems) |
| 13:56.30 | abrotman | yel: do you even have the root passwd? |
| 13:56.39 | Essobi | Mehe. |
| 13:56.40 | Guerin | yel: apt-get install john && john |
| 13:56.40 | yel | thats all i have |
| 13:56.53 | jetdotnet | !info john |
| 13:56.54 | Guerin | err, john /etc/shadow |
| 13:57.01 | abrotman | yel: so .. what's the problem? |
| 13:57.03 | dpkg | john: (An active password cracking tool), section admin, is optional. Version: 1.6-33 (sid), Packaged size: 534 kB, Installed size: 1136 kB |
| 13:57.15 | Guerin | john the ripper |
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| 13:57.33 | jetdotnet | haven't seen that one before |
| 13:57.39 | Guerin | 99% of all user-selected passwords should be out of there within 12 hours |
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| 13:57.43 | yel | i want to be ables to access webmin to see whats configs are setted there |
| 13:58.08 | jetdotnet | set |
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| 13:58.33 | Trewas | Guerin: only if they are really crappy passwords, or if you have some form of supercomputer for cracking them :) |
| 13:58.47 | abrotman | yel: stop using webmin |
| 13:58.47 | jethro | rainbow tables rock |
| 13:58.49 | directhex|work | supercomputer for sale! http://forums.hexus.net/showthread.php?t=44169 |
| 13:58.54 | Guerin | Trewas: see above re 'user-selected' |
| 13:58.57 | MoonPrincess | can anyone tell me how to search for a path? (Eg: The path to imagemagick) |
| 13:59.08 | abrotman | directhex|work: not logging in |
| 13:59.11 | jetdotnet | You are not logged in or you do not have permission to access this page. This could be due to one of several reasons: |
| 13:59.13 | mtnman | moonprinchess: which imagemagick |
| 13:59.14 | Guerin | MoonPrincess: which |
| 13:59.17 | abrotman | MoonPrincess: which |
| 13:59.20 | stew | MoonPrincess: dpkg -L pkgname |
| 13:59.31 | yel | i want to remove it but first i have to do all the thing its doing manually man but to know that i have to acces it !!! @ abrotman |
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| 13:59.35 | directhex|work | oh yeah, forgot about that |
| 13:59.36 | jethro | which looks at PATH so you need to have PATH set to the path of imagemagick or it wont work |
| 13:59.37 | directhex|work | nevermind |
| 13:59.41 | MoonPrincess | I've tried which, no results. |
| 13:59.41 | jethro | $PATH even |
| 13:59.47 | Guerin | directhex|work: You are not logged in or you do not have permission to access this page. |
| 13:59.49 | abrotman | MoonPrincess: is it installed? |
| 13:59.53 | Trewas | Guerin: I have tested with our universitys passwords (which obviously are user selected) and only few tens of passwords were cracked in a week (out of ~4000) |
| 14:00.02 | MoonPrincess | abrotman yes |
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| 14:00.36 | Guerin | Trewas: i was clearly being facetios.... by nevertheless, I got 4 out of 6 user passwords on my server in under 12 hours... and by and large, these are smart people. |
| 14:00.43 | abrotman | MoonPrincess: you could use dpkg -L to see the contents of the package |
| 14:00.54 | Guerin | smart = computer literate, crypto-aware, etc. |
| 14:01.12 | MoonPrincess | yes, thank you. |
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| 14:02.06 | Trewas | Guerin: maybe it helps that the passwords here must have mixed case and numbers, so users can't use really bad passwords |
| 14:02.14 | jethro | nobody should authenticate with a password anyways |
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| 14:02.33 | xoz | yel: edit /etc/webmin/miniserv.users |
| 14:03.19 | yel | xoz, thank you man |
| 14:03.20 | jethro | :) |
| 14:03.23 | abrotman | greycat: what did they serve on the flight? |
| 14:03.36 | Guerin | Trewas: oh yeah. the first two busted here were lowercase dictionary words (one a plural), the third was a plain word with some 1337, the fourth contained the username (duh) and some numbers and mixedcase |
| 14:03.53 | xoz | yel: you can copy your passwd found int /etc/passwd |
| 14:03.55 | greycat | abrotman: they served automount |
| 14:04.01 | Guerin | abrotman: it can't be worse than Asiana |
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| 14:06.04 | whm | so many people from all over the world!!!!!!!!!!! |
| 14:06.09 | greycat | the funniest thing about HP-UX 9 is how it's explictly Y2K-hostile. Things like printing an error message at boot time because the year isn't between 00 and 99. |
| 14:06.25 | directhex|work | i'm not all over the world, i'm decidedly in one place |
| 14:06.27 | Guerin | whm: OMFG TEH INTARWEBZ IS EVERYWEHRE |
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| 14:06.47 | directhex|work | greycat, so why run it? |
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| 14:07.28 | greycat | directhex|work: apparently there's some special hardware that only works in these ancient m68k boxes, so they drag one out of mothballs every year or so |
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| 14:09.58 | whm | how to run doom3 on debian??? |
| 14:09.59 | miks | Does anyone know of a good Exchange Admin tool from debian or X |
| 14:10.27 | asg | miks: rdesktop |
| 14:10.38 | miks | asg, thank you. |
| 14:10.38 | whm | anyone know how to run doom3 on debian??? |
| 14:10.50 | asg | !tell whm about repeat |
| 14:10.53 | abrotman | whm: stop repeating |
| 14:10.53 | miks | asg, is there a debian pkg for it? |
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| 14:10.57 | asg | miks: yes |
| 14:11.01 | abrotman | miks: yes .. oddly enough .. rdesktop |
| 14:11.04 | miks | 'rdesktop' |
| 14:11.08 | miks | hehe ;) |
| 14:11.25 | whm | ????? |
| 14:11.28 | miks | every day that I use debian I love it more and more. |
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| 14:11.41 | miks | and I hate red hat more and more |
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| 14:12.18 | asg | miks: the version in sarge/sid now supports redirected sound |
| 14:12.22 | wombachi | miks sometimes, redhat is miss spelled dead rat ;-) |
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| 14:12.46 | jetscreamer | hey how long might john take to crack my pw |
| 14:12.48 | jetscreamer | and wtf is a salt... seed? |
| 14:13.08 | EL_Chupanibre | rh blows dead rats |
| 14:13.13 | stew | jetscreamer: tell me your password and i'll tell you how long it would take ;) |
| 14:13.14 | miks | my company purchases red hat licenses for some god known reason. |
| 14:13.26 | valdyn | jetscreamer: man 3 crypt |
| 14:13.27 | miks | I put up a debian webserver to show them |
| 14:13.28 | jetscreamer | stew, my password is ************* |
| 14:13.30 | miks | I think they're going to make the move |
| 14:13.34 | wombachi | jetscreamer something usefull to make cracking linux passwords slow compared to NT lanman hashes :) |
| 14:13.37 | greycat | !congratulate miks |
| 14:13.37 | dpkg | Yay miks, you did it! |
| 14:13.46 | miks | haha |
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| 14:13.58 | jetscreamer | ah |
| 14:14.02 | jetscreamer | thankee wombachi |
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| 14:14.15 | Essobi | Uhh.. I think lunch was bad yesterday. |
| 14:14.42 | asg | Essobi: apt-get remove --purge lunch |
| 14:14.48 | Essobi | MAha |
| 14:14.51 | trand | could you tell how much momery 'torsmo' take? (just for compare) |
| 14:14.52 | miks | does rdesktop run in X or just from command line? |
| 14:15.04 | wombachi | miks X |
| 14:15.04 | asg | Essobi: apt-get install finger (if you need help) |
| 14:15.06 | miks | our exchange admin is a fool that loves gnome |
| 14:15.06 | Essobi | apt-get install run-for-the-toil... |
| 14:15.29 | miks | gnome users really never learn linux |
| 14:15.36 | Essobi | miks HEy! What's wrong with loving gnomes? They're (short) people too, after all. |
| 14:15.38 | asg | miks: you can have him install tsclient which is a gnome frontend |
| 14:15.41 | miks | if they don't learn command line |
| 14:16.06 | abrotman | miks: that's kind of not true |
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| 14:16.27 | miks | abrot: I just feel like they figure out how to do things but they have no idea what's actually being done |
| 14:16.33 | abrotman | miks: i use gnome .. and i would wager i could be better at CLI than you |
| 14:16.43 | Guerin | in fairness,abrotman, the kernel really has almost nothing to do from withing the gnome GUI |
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| 14:16.49 | abrotman | i know that |
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| 14:16.54 | Essobi | Mmmm.. I got all fancy any setup this new box with KDE.. now I'm hating it. I think I'll got put up stickywindow fluxbox. |
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| 14:17.03 | miks | abrotman, I just meant that people who dont know command line but know gnome well |
| 14:17.08 | abrotman | miks: that's like saying you can't admin solaris from CDE .. oh wait .. |
| 14:17.11 | Essobi | I think I still got my hacked up source still somewhere... |
| 14:17.12 | Guerin | miks: well, that's evident |
| 14:17.16 | abrotman | miks: try some KDE users |
| 14:17.27 | miks | guerin, amazingly though there are users like that |
| 14:17.45 | miks | mostly windows admins that believe they can also admin linux boxes I think |
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| 14:17.54 | abrotman | today .. i would settle for wine running that new version of TA |
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| 14:18.08 | Guerin | miks: i'm not talking about users, I'm talking about your statement: "gnome users who don't know the CLI can't use linux." |
| 14:18.09 | asg | abrotman: TA? |
| 14:18.12 | abrotman | !ta |
| 14:18.12 | dpkg | extra, extra, read all about it, ta is an abbreviation for thomas_adam, or antipodean slang for "thank you". Total Annihilation(Best RTS *evar*) |
| 14:18.24 | wombachi | sometimes it's good 'basic' users dont touch CLI (ex as root). Especially if they dont understand anything about linux, unix etc |
| 14:18.33 | EL_Chupanibre | oi..im antipodean |
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| 14:18.35 | greycat | dpkg, ta is also Teaching Assistant |
| 14:18.35 | dpkg | greycat: okay |
| 14:18.36 | abrotman | asg: someone redid the engine http://taspring.clan-sy.com/ |
| 14:18.37 | Essobi | I want global XMMS keys.. Mmm.. |
| 14:18.38 | miks | Guerin, well, that's not what I had said. but sure. |
| 14:18.40 | jetscreamer | how the hell do you get 'thank you' from ta |
| 14:18.51 | directhex|work | my girlfriend can use her gnome login on my pc fine, has no need to know how to set up a kernel .config |
| 14:18.52 | EL_Chupanibre | buggered if i know :P |
| 14:18.53 | Guerin | miks: actually, it is. |
| 14:18.58 | EL_Chupanibre | u just do as youre told... |
| 14:19.01 | asg | abrotman: I'm thought you were talking about Tits-n-Ass |
| 14:19.03 | jetscreamer | my kids use gnome |
| 14:19.07 | carter_berlin | does anyone here have any useful info regarding courier-imap versus cyrus? |
| 14:19.09 | jetscreamer | they are cli clueless |
| 14:19.13 | miks | guerin, understand and use. huge difference. |
| 14:19.16 | Guerin | my wife uses kde, hates gnome... |
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| 14:19.38 | jetscreamer | i told them i'd break their boxes they better learn something... didn't work. |
| 14:19.43 | asg | carter_berlin: yes, cyrus has the worst admin tools ever |
| 14:19.45 | Essobi | lol |
| 14:19.47 | Guerin | miks: you didn't say either. |
| 14:20.00 | carter_berlin | ok, so why does kolab2 favour cyrus? |
| 14:20.03 | abrotman | asg: no .. best RTS .. evar! |
| 14:20.03 | miks | Guerin, scroll back dude. |
| 14:20.16 | carter_berlin | and i've heard that cyrus supposedly scales much better than courier |
| 14:20.19 | asg | carter_berlin: because the like admin tools that were hacked up in tcl and then ported to perl, badly? |
| 14:20.30 | asg | abrotman: :) |
| 14:20.47 | Guerin | miks: I did. Can you point out what you said? |
| 14:21.01 | miks | blah, sure. this is really not that big of a deal. |
| 14:21.04 | Guerin | true |
| 14:21.14 | miks | < miks> gnome users really never learn linux |
| 14:21.21 | nevyn | nice... |
| 14:21.24 | abrotman | miks: which is bullshit |
| 14:21.24 | carter_berlin | i'm using courier now (on a slackware box). was previously using UW-IMAP, but that sucked major ass. i'm just trying to figure out whether to stick with courier when i migrate slack to debian in a few weeks |
| 14:21.32 | Guerin | learn != 'understand|use' |
| 14:21.33 | miks | < miks> if they don't learn command line |
| 14:21.40 | asg | carter_berlin: you could also have a look at dovecot as well |
| 14:21.48 | whm | but for newbie |
| 14:22.01 | madclicker | exim vs postfix? |
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| 14:22.03 | carter_berlin | does dovecot use maildir? |
| 14:22.14 | miks | gnome never learn linux if they dont use command line |
| 14:22.20 | miks | I stand by my statement |
| 14:22.26 | Essobi | Man, I feel naked or something without screen running. |
| 14:22.32 | abrotman | miks: and that's bullshit |
| 14:22.47 | miks | [10:15] < miks> abrot: I just feel like they figure out how to do things but they have no idea what's actually being done |
| 14:22.56 | jetscreamer | gui users never learn cli if they don't use cli how's that |
| 14:22.57 | abrotman | miks: so what about xfce users ? .. or kde users? |
| 14:23.06 | miks | abrot, any gui |
| 14:23.13 | abrotman | miks: that's a better statement .. |
| 14:23.15 | abrotman | or perhaps |
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| 14:23.24 | madclicker | cyrus vs dovecot? |
| 14:23.24 | miks | oh I didn't mean gnome specifically :) |
| 14:23.30 | Essobi | If you don't lurn it, you dun nows it. |
| 14:23.31 | whm | someone play with linux,someone work with linux |
| 14:23.39 | whm | and someone leearn by linux |
| 14:23.44 | miks | I just particularly hate gnome |
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| 14:23.45 | abrotman | miks: new linux users who are soley GUI users have a tendency to not learn the CLI interface at all |
| 14:23.49 | ralf | there is an ARM cross compiler for i386 arch in debian? |
| 14:23.50 | asg | whm: some work and play also |
| 14:23.51 | abrotman | miks: better? |
| 14:23.53 | Guerin | abrotman: if they don't every learn or use or understand cli, I think it's fair to say that they don't ever really learn how to administer gnu/linux |
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| 14:23.56 | ralf | or i have to compile it manually? |
| 14:23.57 | carter_berlin | (reading dovecot overview... sounds nice - able to store in SQL... hey doesn't an Exchange mail store closely resemble an SQL DB?) |
| 14:24.00 | miks | abrotman, yep |
| 14:24.01 | Guerin | which is what I think miks was driving at |
| 14:24.03 | peanut | Any way to get dhcpd to dump its running config? |
| 14:24.10 | miks | guerin, that's where I was goin |
| 14:24.14 | abrotman | miks: but i find gnome users to be better than some of the other GUIs ... |
| 14:24.15 | asg | carter_berlin: last I heard, it used Jet, but don't quote me on that |
| 14:24.21 | Guerin | you ought to be more specific |
| 14:24.26 | carter_berlin | yes, you're right.. Jet. |
| 14:24.28 | jetscreamer | -_- |
| 14:24.29 | miks | it's early, need coffee |
| 14:24.39 | miks | I'm sorry |
| 14:24.39 | miks | hehe |
| 14:24.43 | Gathond | Guerin: which is of cause the state most computer users probably wants |
| 14:24.43 | Guerin | abrotman: irony, since gnome tries hard to shield its users from anything not-gnome |
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| 14:24.50 | Guerin | Gathond: fair call. |
| 14:24.53 | abrotman | Guerin: i know .. but that seems to be what happens ... |
| 14:24.55 | Essobi | jetscreamer Used like a waching machine? That's the best kind. |
| 14:25.03 | miks | I had a great gnome incident the other day on our red hat machine |
| 14:25.10 | Essobi | Red shat? |
| 14:25.11 | miks | the machine was hanging for no apparent reason |
| 14:25.11 | abrotman | miks: is a server? |
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| 14:25.18 | miks | abrot, yes. |
| 14:25.28 | Essobi | You speak such sacrilige in this room? How dare you? |
| 14:25.28 | miks | it was hanging |
| 14:25.32 | carter_berlin | asg: hmm thanks for the hint. i will definitely take a good look at dovecot. anything written with security in mind is off to a good start. |
| 14:25.37 | miks | couldn't boot into gnome |
| 14:25.41 | abrotman | miks: well .. that's your own fucking dumb fault .. servers don't run X .. and if you do .. chances are .. you've lost your geek credentials |
| 14:25.42 | Guerin | gnome on a server? |
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| 14:25.44 | Essobi | Oh, FFS, why're you running gdm on a server? |
| 14:25.49 | Essobi | let alone X.. |
| 14:25.50 | Guerin | oh, red hat. |
| 14:25.52 | asg | carter_berlin: yeah, plus it uses Maildir which is always a good thing. |
| 14:25.52 | miks | abrot: I don't admin it |
| 14:25.53 | Guerin | right. |
| 14:25.53 | EL_Chupanibre | lol |
| 14:25.56 | McKillroy | Maybe one should rename KDE to "Troll". Would be nice to have a Gnome and a Troll as choice. |
| 14:26.01 | greycat | Guerin: that was my question too. |
| 14:26.02 | miks | abrot, I fixed it |
| 14:26.02 | abrotman | Guerin: doens't matter .. redhat doesn't require you to install X |
| 14:26.03 | Guerin | hah |
| 14:26.03 | Essobi | lol |
| 14:26.08 | jetscreamer | orc! |
| 14:26.15 | miks | gnome had created 8gb in log files |
| 14:26.17 | whm | for normal users,that the linux's most problem |
| 14:26.19 | abrotman | miks: and which RH ? .. tell me it's like fucking 9.0 |
| 14:26.20 | Guerin | abrotman: I know... but when there's a 'default install' ... |
| 14:26.29 | miks | abrot, of course it's 9.0 |
| 14:26.31 | miks | haha |
| 14:26.34 | EL_Chupanibre | lost geek credentials...a fate worse than death :P |
| 14:26.40 | abrotman | which .. only has fedora-legacy support .. and was a shitty release anyways |
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| 14:26.48 | abrotman | miks: i'd fire the dumbass |
| 14:26.51 | carter_berlin | <sigh> can't wait to replace slackware with debian. i'm been maintaing a slackware server from 15000km away for the last 18 months. |
| 14:26.54 | miks | abrot: working on it |
| 14:27.05 | abrotman | miks: and you need to wrok on your tab completion |
| 14:27.05 | Guerin | i gave up rh9 for a knoppix HDinstall... what does THAT say? |
| 14:27.09 | carter_berlin | configure ; make ; make install gets ~reeeeallly~ tedious after a while |
| 14:27.14 | miks | abrotman: :) |
| 14:27.17 | jetscreamer | i have rh es 3.0 on a server somewhere but i don't know wtf to do with it... |
| 14:27.18 | Essobi | Slackware ain't bad.. |
| 14:27.19 | greycat | Guerin: says you're not utterly bereft of clue. |
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| 14:27.24 | Essobi | Gentoo scares me thou. |
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| 14:27.36 | jetscreamer | it has no purpose |
| 14:27.38 | carter_berlin | slackware is great, it was my first linux distro. |
| 14:27.40 | greycat | Essobi: "though". |
| 14:27.41 | abrotman | PerfDave: i'm sure that was a shock :) |
| 14:27.43 | Guerin | greycat: i'll be taking that compliment any way I can get it, thanks. |
| 14:27.46 | greycat | thou is the archaic form of "you" |
| 14:27.47 | miks | the only gui I have liked is fluxbox |
| 14:27.52 | Essobi | PerfDave I have Chuck tatooed on my arm. :) |
| 14:27.54 | miks | I heard e17 was not bad |
| 14:27.55 | abrotman | servers don't run X |
| 14:27.57 | xoz | slackware is a godfather |
| 14:27.57 | Essobi | miks Hell yea! |
| 14:27.58 | carter_berlin | but last year i adminned a 30-box server farm in russia |
| 14:28.08 | PerfDave | Servers export X applications over SSH! :) |
| 14:28.16 | miks | flux is really lite |
| 14:28.16 | Essobi | greycat Spelling Nazi. |
| 14:28.18 | jethro | slink :') |
| 14:28.19 | carter_berlin | and fell in love with apt-get.... and russian women |
| 14:28.21 | abrotman | i went from my first install (failed RH5.2) to slink .. that's it .. no other goofing around :) |
| 14:28.25 | abrotman | wait .. slink ... |
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| 14:28.35 | miks | apt-get kills RPM |
| 14:28.45 | Essobi | rpm is TEH sux0rs |
| 14:28.49 | whm | why? |
| 14:28.51 | Essobi | as the leeet would say |
| 14:28.51 | miks | PORTS is nice too |
| 14:29.02 | Essobi | <PROTECTED> |
| 14:29.05 | miks | I like debian and bsd |
| 14:29.16 | Guerin | rpm is pretty unsophisticated |
| 14:29.21 | Essobi | lol |
| 14:29.22 | carter_berlin | yes, i had to look after a few RH boxes before we migrated them to debian. RPM is a dependency nightmare |
| 14:29.34 | Guerin | it has inadequate metadata for a rich package management system |
| 14:29.37 | miks | carter_berlin: yeah exactly |
| 14:29.44 | whm | rpms also have apt-get tools |
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| 14:29.46 | Essobi | rpm isn't nearly as bad as it has to be.. I think a lot of it has to do with how they package libs. |
| 14:29.56 | carter_berlin | why can't it figure out dependent libraries, and download them at the same time. why, WHY should i have to do that work? |
| 14:30.05 | miks | abrotman: I forgot to mention, we run redhat because we run Progress as a dB system. |
| 14:30.11 | Guerin | a lot of it is to do with how they main repositories... or don't as the case often is. |
| 14:30.12 | Essobi | I think in general they engineer their support problems in RedHat, to get more business. :) |
| 14:30.16 | miks | abrotman: mySql is the next move I'm pushing for |
| 14:30.17 | madclicker | anyone here setup dovecot with exim with pgsql? |
| 14:30.20 | antony | but rpm is equiv to dpkg, not apt |
| 14:30.21 | abrotman | miks: that's even worse .. what is wrong with your company? |
| 14:30.22 | miks | abrotman: but the migration is hell |
| 14:30.24 | whm | u should have some good rpms lib sites |
| 14:30.25 | abrotman | miks: use postgresql |
| 14:30.29 | miks | abrotman: old ways |
| 14:30.35 | xoz | RPM dependency means redhat dependency |
| 14:30.36 | abrotman | miks: manufacturing company? |
| 14:30.39 | miks | abrotman: yep |
| 14:30.48 | Guerin | whm: why 'sites'? it sounds like you're dealing in warez or pr0n. |
| 14:30.53 | abrotman | miks: i used to work at one that use SCO .. god .. what a mess |
| 14:30.56 | Essobi | mySQL is better for low row counts.. Pgres shines +30million. |
| 14:30.57 | carter_berlin | apparently amazon.de use mysql. i couldn't believe it when i saw a job offer there. |
| 14:31.05 | miks | abrotman: we moved from SCO about two months ago |
| 14:31.11 | Guerin | whm: why can't the people who package rpms just package all the dependent libs with them? |
| 14:31.13 | Essobi | carter_berlin Lots of people use mysql. |
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| 14:31.16 | carter_berlin | pgsql also handle multiple concurrent connections far better than mysql |
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| 14:31.28 | miks | abrotman: I was disgusted to see an sco 5 server |
| 14:31.45 | Essobi | xoz Why's that? |
| 14:31.49 | abrotman | miks: maybe you work for my old company ... |
| 14:31.50 | carter_berlin | i would never use mysql for anything i wouldn't use MS Access for. |
| 14:31.56 | abrotman | miks: but i'd suggest pgsql over mysql .. |
| 14:31.58 | Essobi | lol |
| 14:32.01 | abrotman | any day of the week .. for anything |
| 14:32.03 | miks | I don't like RH, but I HATE sco. |
| 14:32.08 | miks | talk about a bad os |
| 14:32.12 | whm | as debian!full rpms libs have littel depent problems |
| 14:32.13 | xoz | Essobi: just use it and you'll know how powerful it is compared to mysql |
| 14:32.14 | mosty | carter_berlin, unfortunately people use access for some surprisingly important things |
| 14:32.18 | abrotman | miks: they used SCO .. and SCO Linux .. |
| 14:32.27 | miks | abrotman: I just have no experience with pgsql and a lot of experience with mysql |
| 14:32.33 | Guerin | i'd use pgsql, but I cba migrating, and I have at least one thing which isn't know to play nice with pg |
| 14:32.34 | miks | abrotman: probably not so different |
| 14:32.37 | abrotman | miks: you should try pgsql .. it's far far better |
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| 14:32.53 | carter_berlin | two words: stored procedures. |
| 14:32.53 | Essobi | xoz I've used mysql for 3 years in production, 54+ million rows, 12Gb databases.. what's lacking in power? |
| 14:32.54 | miks | abrotman: are the gains realized on small databases though? |
| 14:33.05 | abrotman | miks: how do you use the db? |
| 14:33.15 | abrotman | Essobi: not power .. functionality |
| 14:33.24 | miks | abrotman: as in? |
| 14:33.24 | abrotman | at least for me |
| 14:33.27 | carter_berlin | the problem with mysql and big DBs is that occasionally it mysteriously 'loses' a few hundred thousand rows. |
| 14:33.32 | mosty | miks: postgresql supports constraints better, regardless of database size |
| 14:33.35 | Guerin | carter_berlin: eep |
| 14:33.37 | xoz | Essobi: that kind of comparison is superficial... i am referring to the design and philosophy of design |
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| 14:33.52 | Essobi | abrotman Well he said powerful. And for functionality.. I know how to write queries.. and a query is a query.. the db isn't going to hold my hand while I do it. |
| 14:33.58 | Essobi | So what's different? |
| 14:34.00 | abrotman | miks: last time i tried .. no views .. FKs used to not exist .. i realize that stuff does now .. but pgsql has had them for .. years an dyears |
| 14:34.02 | jethro | !start a dbms war |
| 14:34.08 | Essobi | lol |
| 14:34.09 | carter_berlin | heheh |
| 14:34.10 | abrotman | !start a db war |
| 14:34.10 | dpkg | MySQL is more reliable than Berkeley db |
| 14:34.11 | jethro | access pwnz |
| 14:34.21 | miks | hehe |
| 14:34.21 | carter_berlin | sqlite rocks. |
| 14:34.25 | abrotman | jethro: pwns what? |
| 14:34.27 | stew | Essobi: how many stored procedures did this huge mysql db have? |
| 14:34.31 | miks | I'll brb |
| 14:34.33 | jethro | ENOCLUE |
| 14:34.34 | Guerin | plain text files all teh way!!@! |
| 14:34.36 | jetscreamer | sql is a furrin lan-gauge |
| 14:34.36 | Essobi | No I'm honestly asking.. we're in the process of making new recommendations for dbs. |
| 14:34.36 | antony | i reckon for 99% of apps (and the rest), mysql and pgsql are both fine |
| 14:34.39 | abrotman | stew: thank you .. that was another thing missing |
| 14:34.43 | jethro | abrotman: they don't say it in the adds |
| 14:34.45 | stew | abrotman: :) |
| 14:34.46 | carter_berlin | punch cards in nice neat boxes. |
| 14:34.47 | jethro | abrotman: ads even |
| 14:34.47 | xoz | Essobi: i said ahead... not in you terms of *powerful* |
| 14:34.51 | jetscreamer | postgres |
| 14:34.53 | abrotman | antony: fine yes .. but on the same level .. no |
| 14:35.01 | Essobi | stew, 0. I don't use stored procedures, views, or anything else. |
| 14:35.01 | jetscreamer | or oracle take your pick |
| 14:35.10 | abrotman | which is why mysql works :) |
| 14:35.15 | carter_berlin | one day you might need them |
| 14:35.20 | abrotman | he has no need for features |
| 14:35.22 | carter_berlin | could be a painful migration |
| 14:35.24 | stew | Essobi: yeah that was a trick question, mysql can't do stored procedures |
| 14:35.25 | abrotman | so why use something that has them |
| 14:35.31 | Essobi | abrotman I don't. It's a warehouse. |
| 14:35.35 | abrotman | !mysql |
| 14:35.35 | dpkg | A fast and simple relational database implementing a limited subset of SQL. Can do replication; no views, stored procedures, triggers; transaction support not consistent. Packaged as 'mysql-server' and 'mysql-client'. Also see http://mysql.com and #mysql. http://www.mysql.com/company/legal/licensing/, or mysql is great for your grandmother's blog but if you want a real and free db you should look at postgresql, or <mysql gotchas> |
| 14:35.36 | Essobi | stew Duh. |
| 14:35.51 | abrotman | oh yeah .. the licensing sucks too :) .. i forgot about that |
| 14:35.55 | xoz | well-said |
| 14:35.56 | Essobi | Heh.. a busy monkey. |
| 14:35.57 | Guerin | yeah, it does |
| 14:36.03 | PerfDave | I remember reading the LiveJournal technical talk, going on about how if they'd known now what they knew then, they'd have started with PostgreSQL, but now they were paying $$$ to MySQL in support fees and couldn't handle changing over to Postgres. |
| 14:36.07 | carter_berlin | mysql seems to be getting rather commercialised these days |
| 14:36.23 | carter_berlin | postgres outperforms oracle on a single-cpu box. |
| 14:36.28 | xoz | carter_berlin: these days? |
| 14:36.34 | abrotman | postgresql is a fantastic database |
| 14:36.41 | miks | I wonder if migration docs even exist on Progress > pgsql or mysql |
| 14:36.53 | Essobi | carter_berlin No shit? How's mysql and sqlite compare these days? |
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| 14:37.06 | jetscreamer | !compiere |
| 14:37.06 | carter_berlin | i reckon sqlite will have stored procs before mysql |
| 14:37.13 | abrotman | jetscreamer: that's not a DB though |
| 14:37.15 | Essobi | I think it already does. |
| 14:37.16 | darkskiez | carlos-d-man, mysql already had them. |
| 14:37.18 | carter_berlin | haha |
| 14:37.22 | jetscreamer | i know i was curious why it's not in debian |
| 14:37.22 | abrotman | Essobi: yes .. in 5.alpha |
| 14:37.31 | abrotman | jetscreamer: patent encumbered i think |
| 14:37.31 | Essobi | No, I meant sqlite. :P |
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| 14:37.43 | miks | abrotman: you guys used progress? |
| 14:37.44 | darkskiez | !compiere |
| 14:37.47 | jethro | I do! |
| 14:37.48 | carter_berlin | yay, lets run an alpha database. i'm sure our boss would be happy to learn that. |
| 14:37.51 | darkskiez | whats that? |
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| 14:37.52 | jethro | pg is nice |
| 14:38.01 | jetscreamer | compiere.org or something |
| 14:38.04 | Essobi | I wish it had native partition use. |
| 14:38.07 | abrotman | miks: is it the closed source db? .. the manuf i worked for used progress . but i think it was progress language .. nto db |
| 14:38.15 | carter_berlin | i used to look after a progress db on HPUX about 6 years ago |
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| 14:38.18 | Essobi | How's clustering in pgres these days? |
| 14:38.24 | miks | well, 4gl language |
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| 14:38.32 | miks | uhm |
| 14:38.33 | jethro | !fgi Essobi postgres+clustering |
| 14:38.34 | dpkg | Essobi: http://fuckinggoogleit.com/search?query=postgres+clustering |
| 14:38.36 | Essobi | :) |
| 14:38.43 | Essobi | FUCK JOOOO |
| 14:39.03 | abrotman | Essobi: do you cluster your mysql? |
| 14:39.15 | Essobi | I was asking for opinion of peers whom I would consider being knowledgable, not some tards on google. |
| 14:39.19 | Essobi | abrotman Yup. |
| 14:39.20 | Guerin | haha |
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| 14:39.45 | Essobi | abrotman Well.. not clustering but replication |
| 14:39.56 | onre | afaik pgsql can't replicate yet. |
| 14:40.03 | onre | there's a project adding that feature to it, though. |
| 14:40.13 | onre | (last time i checked was some time ago, though) |
| 14:40.14 | carter_berlin | slony1 does replication for pgsql |
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| 14:40.20 | onre | oh. |
| 14:40.20 | Essobi | :| |
| 14:40.27 | itom | debhelper: httptunnel |
| 14:40.45 | S4nD3r_ | Hi... Which software is look like kazaa in linux ??? |
| 14:40.52 | Essobi | lol |
| 14:41.05 | greycat | how the fuck would we know what kazaa looks like? |
| 14:41.07 | Guerin | dpkg, flw33 is <Essobi> How's clustering in pgres these days? <dpkg> Essobi: http://fuckinggoogleit.com/search?query=postgres+clustering <Essobi> FUCK JOOOO <Essobi> I was asking for opinion of peers whom I would consider being knowledgable, not some tards on google. |
| 14:41.07 | dpkg | ...but flw33 is already something else... |
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| 14:41.13 | Guerin | grrr |
| 14:41.22 | torc | is there any skeleton startup script for /etc/init.d available? |
| 14:41.30 | Essobi | Guerin lol |
| 14:41.42 | greycat | torc: yes. |
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| 14:41.49 | torc | and its called skeleton, right? :) |
| 14:41.53 | greycat | torc: yes. |
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| 14:42.23 | torc | ok, i copied it, changed, whats then? |
| 14:42.25 | abrotman | Essobi: afaik .. it has it |
| 14:42.29 | Guerin | dpkg, famous last words =~ s/33/33|34/ |
| 14:42.29 | dpkg | OK, Guerin |
| 14:42.30 | onre | torc, man update-rc.d |
| 14:42.31 | S4nD3r_ | Id like to find crossover office cracked... |
| 14:42.33 | greycat | torc: read the README file there, too. |
| 14:42.33 | abrotman | Essobi: and clustering is far different than replication |
| 14:42.40 | torc | oh, sorry. thanks. |
| 14:42.49 | Essobi | I know I know.. that's why I corrected myself. |
| 14:42.58 | onre | S4nD3r_, wrong channel. |
| 14:43.04 | jetscreamer | gah back to mundania and the income process |
| 14:43.54 | Loof | Well, postgresql supports point-in-time recovery in 8.x which, the mechanisms of which will allow very simple replication support. |
| 14:44.04 | jetscreamer | oh hey, will john actually finish, and say it couldn't crack my pw, or will it just keep trying |
| 14:44.09 | Loof | I don't know that it supports it internally yet, but all the pieces are there. |
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| 14:44.20 | jethro | jetscreamer: depends on the options you give it |
| 14:44.33 | Essobi | loof That'd be the only thing that'd keep me from migrating. |
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| 14:44.38 | jethro | jetscreamer: the default john passfile ends at some point |
| 14:44.48 | jetscreamer | k thx |
| 14:44.50 | Guerin | jethro: i always had to kill it because it was pwning things like tls and spamd |
| 14:45.01 | abrotman | Essobi: so you want to know if pgsql supports replication or clustering? |
| 14:45.01 | jethro | Guerin: john? |
| 14:45.01 | Loof | Just the fact that you can't do a subselect in MySQL w/o going through a bunch of hoops and creating the table in a different format from the start, etc. makes it pretty close to unusable for me |
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| 14:45.22 | abrotman | Loof: because you actually *use* your database :) |
| 14:45.23 | jethro | Guerin: you mean it was using too much ressources? |
| 14:45.30 | PerfDave | I thought that MySQL actually supported subqueries now. |
| 14:45.47 | xoz | Loof: agree. a very simple feature which should have been there from the beginning. |
| 14:45.55 | Essobi | I think 4.1 has subqueries |
| 14:46.05 | Guerin | jethro: yeah |
| 14:46.19 | Loof | Essobi: Only if you change the underlying table format. |
| 14:46.29 | Essobi | What what? |
| 14:46.40 | jethro | Guerin: you could nice it |
| 14:46.47 | Essobi | How does table format related to subqueries? |
| 14:46.59 | Guerin | jethro: i could have, but I cba |
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| 14:47.13 | jethro | Guerin: but unless youreally want to crack a password (ie doing a pentest) you can consider passwords not found within a week strong enough :) |
| 14:47.27 | jethro | Guerin: I m assuming you cracked on a decent computer |
| 14:47.28 | xoz | Essobi: have you ever tried postgres? it might improve your productivity. |
| 14:47.28 | Guerin | i already had 4/6 passwords I was looking for... I knew mine and root wouldn't get cracked |
| 14:47.36 | Essobi | xoz ;) |
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| 14:47.49 | PerfDave | The psql CLI is much nicer than the msql one :) |
| 14:47.50 | Guerin | jethro: dual xeon 2.4 is decent where you come from? |
| 14:47.58 | Loof | Hell if I know... but you need to use a different table format to support subqueries, referencial integrity, etc. |
| 14:48.07 | Essobi | GUERIN HELL NAW |
| 14:48.08 | jethro | Guerin: yeah, soon to be obsolete, but still decent ;) |
| 14:48.19 | kart_ | hi, all! |
| 14:48.20 | Loof | I'm looking it up right now. |
| 14:48.28 | Guerin | bah |
| 14:48.30 | Essobi | We got 8-way opterons as far as the eye can see.. with gigs and gigs or ram |
| 14:48.31 | PerfDave | Our database server is a dual Xeon 2.4 |
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| 14:48.45 | greycat | Essobi: and racing stripes!! |
| 14:48.52 | Essobi | And RAID!, and you wouldn't believe the RAID! |
| 14:48.55 | ChrisW | <PROTECTED> |
| 14:49.06 | Essobi | greycat PFFFFT! FLAMES and NOS stickers BABY! |
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| 14:49.12 | jethro | Guerin: the faster I bought was a 1Ghz athlon 4 yeéars ago :) |
| 14:49.16 | Guerin | Essobi: don't forget the fins |
| 14:49.16 | Loof | I dunno, I've done things on my latest project /w PostgreSQL that would've been impossible on anything by Oracle |
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| 14:49.23 | greycat | PerfDave: our production database server is a red hat 5.2 Pentium II 266 MHz box. |
| 14:49.23 | ChrisW | even though df -h shows a fair bit free all over the place |
| 14:49.28 | miks | asg, is there a ESM (exchange system manager) type program for X? |
| 14:49.29 | Loof | most of it would run on Sybase (or the MS-Sybase clone) |
| 14:49.30 | ChrisW | any ideas how to start debugging this? |
| 14:49.33 | jethro | redhat 5.2 ? |
| 14:49.33 | PerfDave | Loof: You've seen ships on fire off the shoulder of Orion? |
| 14:49.38 | ChrisW | jethro? |
| 14:49.39 | jethro | oly shit |
| 14:49.41 | greycat | jethro: but I built a 2.0.40 kernel for it. |
| 14:49.43 | Essobi | MAUVE! Paint the DB MAUVE!, It's faster then black! |
| 14:49.43 | Loof | Compound types can be a lifesaver in some cases :) |
| 14:49.45 | Guerin | greycat: you're the admin, aren't you? |
| 14:49.50 | jethro | greycat: I feel the pain for you :'( |
| 14:49.58 | Guerin | i knew it was the 2.0 series box |
| 14:50.00 | PerfDave | greycat: I expect you don't do quite as much huge statistical analysis on whomping great datasets as we do :) |
| 14:50.02 | Guerin | of legend |
| 14:50.14 | greycat | Guerin: at least it's got SCSI |
| 14:50.19 | Essobi | ChrisW Sounds like you're out of inodes. |
| 14:50.21 | Loof | PerfDave: What's the reference? |
| 14:50.22 | PerfDave | Loof: Haven't you? |
| 14:50.23 | Guerin | greycat: well, true. |
| 14:50.27 | asg | miks: not that I know |
| 14:50.30 | Essobi | Chris df -i |
| 14:50.32 | ChrisW | Essobi: hmm, intersting |
| 14:50.40 | Essobi | No, not interesting. |
| 14:50.44 | Essobi | Delete some mail. |
| 14:50.45 | ChrisW | Essobi: bingo, thanks :-) |
| 14:50.53 | Essobi | GOLD JERRY! IT'S PURE GOLD! |
| 14:50.59 | PerfDave | Loof: My god, today is the day that geekdom died. Someone on #debian missed a Blade Runner reference. |
| 14:51.07 | jetscreamer | bladerunner, but it wasn't shoulder |
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| 14:51.56 | Loof | You could probably ask my wife that and she'd know...then again, she also knows who the voices on cartoon characters are before the credits roll. |
| 14:52.06 | PerfDave | jetscreamer: http://www.imdb.com/title/tt0083658/quotes thinks it was. |
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| 14:52.12 | Essobi | Loof I'm the same way. |
| 14:52.22 | Loof | My brain doesn't work that way. |
| 14:52.25 | greycat | Loof: an essential survival skill, clearly. |
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| 14:52.43 | Loof | But I can sit in front of a program and within a day start telling 'experts' how it works. |
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| 14:52.48 | Loof | So, we all have our skills. |
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| 14:52.57 | asg | Loof: including find(1)? |
| 14:53.00 | TchiboMagazin | hi all |
| 14:53.12 | Essobi | Unfortunately my obcessive compulsive can only apply itself to thing which are clearly not intended for extending my life or survivability. |
| 14:53.37 | Essobi | ChrisW You understand how inodes work? |
| 14:53.43 | Loof | Let's put it this way... I reverse engineered the output of a japanese test machine...with no documentation to speak of... in 1.5 days |
| 14:53.49 | Guerin | like inodes, forex |
| 14:53.52 | TchiboMagazin | can anybody help me? i have trouble with my php |
| 14:54.04 | TchiboMagazin | *cry* |
| 14:54.05 | Essobi | I got an old slipknot album on. :) |
| 14:54.12 | Loof | I happened to be visiting the company...they'd had a number of engineers working on it at one point or another |
| 14:54.14 | Essobi | TchiboMagazin Ummm #php? |
| 14:54.19 | Loof | people who work with that machine ever day |
| 14:54.27 | TchiboMagazin | oh sorry |
| 14:54.29 | Loof | But, well, they didn't have the power of Perl either ;) |
| 14:54.30 | jetscreamer | OK THEN I WAS WRONG (for a change, it's nice to be different once in a while) |
| 14:54.30 | Loof | hehe |
| 14:54.50 | Loof | Then I ported the code to VB for them (well, it's what they liked) |
| 14:54.52 | Essobi | loof "Japanese test machine"? |
| 14:55.06 | Loof | Essobi: Well, a damper inspection machine...to be specific |
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| 14:55.19 | Loof | They knew that SOMEWHERE in there were the test results |
| 14:55.26 | Loof | it was controlled by a PC |
| 14:55.29 | Essobi | As in a a mechanical fire damper? |
| 14:55.32 | Loof | but they had no way of getting at it |
| 14:55.40 | Loof | Actually, A/C damper |
| 14:55.45 | Loof | cars |
| 14:55.46 | Essobi | Ahh, nice. |
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| 14:56.06 | Loof | It was an interesting contraption |
| 14:56.08 | Loof | took a good number of different tests...and did a pass/fail |
| 14:56.10 | Essobi | I reversed a serial controlled LED sign. :) |
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| 14:56.18 | Essobi | IT was kinda fun. |
| 14:56.25 | torc | what do runlevel 4 and 5 mean for debian? |
| 14:56.34 | jetscreamer | same as 2 by default |
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| 14:56.39 | Loof | Yah, reverse engineering can be really fun work. |
| 14:56.41 | jetscreamer | and 3 |
| 14:56.42 | ChrisW | hurm |
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| 14:56.49 | Essobi | All I had was some shitty windows app, and a serial sniffer. |
| 14:56.50 | torc | ok, so 2,3,4,5 are the same. thanks. |
| 14:56.53 | ChrisW | anyway I can find out what's using lots of inodes so I can zap it? |
| 14:57.00 | streuner | !blairsmite jetscreamer |
| 14:57.02 | ircdevil | Loof: you mean like blowing up houses and shit |
| 14:57.04 | jetscreamer | but you may change it if you want, that's the idea |
| 14:57.07 | xoz | Loof: what do you mean reverse-engineer? trial and error? how did you figure it out? |
| 14:57.24 | Essobi | blairsmite? |
| 14:57.35 | streuner | no |
| 14:57.36 | greycat | !runlevel |
| 14:57.36 | dpkg | somebody said runlevel was 0 is halt, 1 is single user, 2, 3, 4, 5 are multiuser, 6 is reboot, or see also runlevels |
| 14:57.37 | jetscreamer | blair sandwich project i guess |
| 14:57.44 | streuner | !rumsfeldsmite Essobi |
| 14:57.48 | Loof | xoz: Well, a bit of trial and error...a bit of guessing...a bit of knowing how many tests it performed and what the expected output range should be. |
| 14:58.02 | jetscreamer | !democrats |
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| 14:58.17 | Essobi | ChrisW Basically every file uses atleast 1 inode.. an inode is the smallest representable space on your harddrive. |
| 14:58.36 | Loof | It wrote the tests to a file prior to processing the pass/fail... I basically modified things slightly to copy the file out... |
| 14:58.36 | directhex|work | dpkg, democrats are see republicans |
| 14:58.36 | dpkg | directhex|work: okay |
| 14:58.38 | greycat | Essobi: s/atleast // |
| 14:58.40 | Loof | then I had a history... |
| 14:58.45 | directhex|work | dpkg, republicans are see democrats |
| 14:58.45 | dpkg | okay, directhex|work |
| 14:58.47 | Essobi | ChrisW maildirs, and usenet are usually the largest offenders. |
| 14:58.50 | greycat | Essobi: you're absolutely wrong on the rest of the sentence. |
| 14:58.51 | Guerin | !directhex|work++ |
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| 14:59.03 | Loof | at that point I figured out how the file was set up (really simply, just a packed binary structure... basically a 'struct' written out to a file) |
| 14:59.04 | Essobi | greycat SPELLING NAZI! |
| 14:59.07 | ChrisW | Essobi: heh, we have some good candidatesfreom our app here |
| 14:59.14 | ChrisW | managed to use up 4 million inodes ;-) |
| 14:59.19 | Loof | Then I had to figure out how each test result mapped to the 'real world' |
| 14:59.21 | greycat | Essobi: NOT SPELLING. YOU'RE JUST WRONG. |
| 14:59.24 | Loof | that was a little tougher |
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| 14:59.29 | Loof | but then it was done |
| 14:59.29 | greycat | Essobi: inodes have NOTHING to do with what you just said. |
| 14:59.30 | jetscreamer | worng |
| 14:59.32 | Essobi | greycat you're still a SPELLING NAZI! |
| 14:59.38 | jetscreamer | worng is wrong |
| 14:59.39 | gtigene | When I give the command "rpcinfo -p", it says "rpcinfo: can't contact portmapper: Remote system error - connection refused." What could be causing this? |
| 14:59.40 | Loof | I think I had more trouble getting VB to parse it than figuring it out ;) |
| 14:59.46 | Sh4dowcat | can anyone recommend an app that lets you create virtual "notes" in Linux? |
| 14:59.57 | Essobi | greycat Oh yea.. You're right. :P |
| 14:59.59 | greycat | Sh4dowcat: vi |
| 14:59.59 | Guerin | Sh4dowcat: emacs |
| 15:00.00 | stouset | gtigene: portmapper isn't running? |
| 15:00.13 | gtigene | stouset: I guess not. |
| 15:00.14 | Guerin | damn you and your two-letter editor |
| 15:00.15 | greycat | stouset: or it's firewalled |
| 15:00.15 | jetscreamer | !stp oil treatment |
| 15:00.20 | Essobi | I need some caffiene.. jeez yesterdays lunch is hurting me |
| 15:00.26 | Sh4dowcat | hmm.... that's not really what I was looking for |
| 15:00.27 | Loof | I was kinda lucky in that it called a seperate program to parse the results and issue the pass/fail |
| 15:00.40 | Sh4dowcat | was looking for something similar to the Outlook "notes" function |
| 15:00.42 | Loof | I could replace that program /w one that did what I wanted...and then call the original program. |
| 15:00.49 | ChrisW | Essobi: thanks for your help! |
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| 15:01.15 | abrotman | Sh4dowcat: both kde and gnome have that |
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| 15:01.31 | abrotman | Sh4dowcat: apt-cache search sticky |
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| 15:01.37 | abrotman | and hopefuly .. porn doesn't come up |
| 15:01.37 | Loof | Basically, what they ended up with as something that would dump the raw data into Oracle...then they could track the status of _EVERY PART_ and recall any particular part's testing history. |
| 15:01.38 | Sh4dowcat | abrotman: thanks |
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| 15:01.40 | gtigene | What would be the correct way to start portmapper? |
| 15:01.43 | Loof | It was pretty cool |
| 15:01.48 | greycat | gtigene: /etc/init.d/portmap start |
| 15:02.02 | gtigene | greycat: Thanks again. |
| 15:02.13 | Loof | So, if they got a failure report back from a dealership (which they did) they could actually scan the part in...and know that they had tested it to X spec. |
| 15:02.28 | Loof | And possibly tighten up their testing to prevent 'in the field' failures |
| 15:03.00 | Sh4dowcat | sweet, knotes |
| 15:03.03 | Sh4dowcat | thanks abrotman |
| 15:03.07 | Loof | But anyways |
| 15:03.08 | abrotman | yay |
| 15:03.22 | abrotman | Sh4dowcat: are you a kde user? |
| 15:03.31 | xoz | gtigene: if you are using it for local address, make sure /etc/default/portmap option points to your local machine only for security |
| 15:03.45 | Sh4dowcat | abrotman: in a sea of gnome it seems |
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| 15:03.53 | Loof | Essobi: Both tables must be InnoDB type. |
| 15:04.03 | abrotman | Sh4dowcat: i just wanted to make sure .. before you installed all the parts of kde to use that |
| 15:04.06 | Loof | (Quote, from the MySQL manual) regarding foreign keys, etc, etc. |
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| 15:04.20 | Sh4dowcat | abrotman: I've used KDE since I started out on MDK |
| 15:04.25 | abrotman | eww |
| 15:04.26 | Sh4dowcat | I'm not gonna switch |
| 15:04.29 | abrotman | mdk .. ew |
| 15:04.40 | Sh4dowcat | went from MDK > Fedora > Debian |
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| 15:04.43 | abrotman | Loof: doesn't matter . license sucks! |
| 15:05.05 | abrotman | jethro: wanna help again? |
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| 15:05.29 | Sh4dowcat | hmm |
| 15:05.32 | directhex|work | mdk is no more. henceforth is is mdv |
| 15:05.33 | Sh4dowcat | that topic isn't entirely correct |
| 15:05.35 | jetscreamer | byebye |
| 15:05.41 | abrotman | Sh4dowcat: which topic ? |
| 15:05.46 | Sh4dowcat | there is a KDE 3.4 package out |
| 15:05.48 | gtigene | xoz: Thank you. |
| 15:05.48 | Sh4dowcat | on alioth |
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| 15:06.01 | Sh4dowcat | I guess it should be called debian experimental |
| 15:06.02 | abrotman | Sh4dowcat: not official . that's why the topic is there |
| 15:06.10 | Sh4dowcat | ah |
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| 15:06.23 | Loof | BTW, on a totally different note... Do any of you follow the ODBC Postgresql Dev list? |
| 15:06.27 | Sh4dowcat | they're dragging their heals on this sarge release too |
| 15:06.40 | abrotman | Loof: nah .. why? |
| 15:06.46 | abrotman | Sh4dowcat: watch it ... |
| 15:06.58 | Sh4dowcat | heh |
| 15:07.06 | Sh4dowcat | doesn't really matter to me though |
| 15:07.15 | Sh4dowcat | I'm not even close to using all the features in Sarge |
| 15:07.22 | Sh4dowcat | as I just demonstrated a few moments ago :P |
| 15:07.38 | gtigene | xoz, greycattt: Funny, there is no such file as /etc/default/portmp. Nor is there /etc/init.d/portmap. But I am truly running Debian. I wonder why I don't have these files. |
| 15:07.43 | Loof | Well, there's an interesting discussion...I'm going to need to check this out... basically there's a group wanting to make an new ODBC driver under pure GPL (not L-GPL) |
| 15:08.12 | xoz | gtigene: apt-get install portmap |
| 15:08.29 | Loof | Now, my understanding is that the GPL as it applies to drivers or libraries that implement an API is 'viral' ONLY if that program can _ONLY_ work with that GPLed driver. |
| 15:08.30 | jethro | abrotman: I m busy on these damn aix hosts at the moment, can't help much |
| 15:08.31 | gtigene | xoz, sounds good. |
| 15:08.38 | abrotman | jethro: *sniff* |
| 15:08.47 | jethro | abrotman: yet another samba problem? |
| 15:08.54 | abrotman | jethro: yeppers .. same server though |
| 15:09.03 | Loof | That is, if it can talk to that API...and some of the drivers that implement the API are GPL, and others are not... then the GPL doesn't apply to the client programs. |
| 15:09.11 | jethro | I ll be at home in 2 3 hours, might help then |
| 15:09.23 | jethro | abrotman: hope you don't mind :) |
| 15:09.26 | abrotman | jethro: gotcha .. i'll try to work it out before then :) |
| 15:09.30 | Loof | Anyone here know if that is the case? |
| 15:09.31 | jethro | abrotman: aight |
| 15:09.33 | abrotman | jethro: nope .. not at all .. i didn't pay you :) |
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| 15:09.47 | jethro | abrotman: I should consider giving my paypal info |
| 15:09.47 | abrotman | jethro: but i am old enough to buy beer :) |
| 15:09.51 | Loof | Or are they correct in saying that a GPL (not L-GPL) driver would require that any client programs also be GPL? |
| 15:09.58 | abrotman | heh |
| 15:10.00 | jethro | ;) |
| 15:10.01 | Sh4dowcat | abrotman: that doesn't say much |
| 15:10.07 | abrotman | Sh4dowcat: ? |
| 15:10.15 | Sh4dowcat | abrotman jethro: but i am old enough to buy beer :) |
| 15:10.16 | gtigene | xoz, yes that was what I needed, thank you. |
| 15:10.20 | gtigene | :) |
| 15:10.20 | abrotman | oh |
| 15:10.30 | Loof | Or does no one understand the GPL even in #debian to be able to respond :D |
| 15:10.35 | abrotman | Sh4dowcat: and old enough to have decent taste in beer :) |
| 15:10.41 | Sh4dowcat | bah |
| 15:10.45 | Sh4dowcat | I hate the taste of beer |
| 15:10.54 | Sh4dowcat | but that's beside the point as I don't drink |
| 15:10.55 | jethro | grow up |
| 15:10.58 | jethro | :) |
| 15:11.04 | abrotman | who .. me? |
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| 15:11.09 | jethro | no him, was jk |
| 15:11.19 | Sh4dowcat | heh |
| 15:11.22 | abrotman | oh |
| 15:11.25 | Loof | Shadowcat: You don't like the taste, almost certainly...because you've only tasted mass market beer. |
| 15:11.31 | ircdevil | who is saying bad things about beer? -> outside! |
| 15:11.31 | jonz | hi - anyone know what would cause vsyslog to hang on a sarge system? it seems to hang even with LOG_NOWAIT |
| 15:11.32 | abrotman | Sh4dowcat: how old are you? |
| 15:11.37 | Sh4dowcat | abrotman: 20 |
| 15:11.41 | Loof | You've tasted the beer equivalent of Windows 95...and said operating systems SUCK |
| 15:11.45 | ircdevil | !lart Sh4dowcat |
| 15:11.47 | abrotman | Sh4dowcat: ah .. yeah .. at 20 .. you'll drink anything :) |
| 15:11.56 | ruied | I have a 100Mb eth0 card and a 10Mb eth1 card. How can I change the names so eth0 becomes the 10Mb card? |
| 15:12.09 | greycat | ruied: change the order of the drivers in /etc/modules |
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| 15:12.20 | jethro | ruied : load the modules in a different order |
| 15:12.22 | xoz | ruied: ifrename |
| 15:12.30 | Loof | They just opened up a new brew-pub that only makes Belgian style beers...and GOOOD ones...just down the road. |
| 15:12.33 | ruied | greycat: tx, going to check |
| 15:12.33 | Loof | It's trouble :) |
| 15:12.39 | Loof | And the food is good too. |
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| 15:12.45 | ruied | xoz tx. |
| 15:12.53 | jethro | belgian beers are good |
| 15:12.56 | asg | Loof: if they have free wireless, that makes it priceless. |
| 15:13.08 | Loof | asg: I'd suggest it...but then my wife would never see me. |
| 15:13.09 | EdibleText | belgium: the disneyland of beers |
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| 15:13.22 | asg | Loof: gnomemeeting |
| 15:13.38 | Loof | They've got this huge thing of fries /w around 10 or 15 sauces |
| 15:13.46 | Loof | good crepes |
| 15:13.48 | Essobi | jethro lol |
| 15:13.49 | Loof | muscles |
| 15:13.54 | xoz | sometime in the future, there will be wireless electricity... and people gets electrecuted once they step on it. |
| 15:13.56 | Loof | (ponders, the spelling) |
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| 15:13.58 | Loof | Good shit |
| 15:14.08 | Loof | xoz: They have that |
| 15:14.12 | Loof | xoz: It's called microwaves |
| 15:14.15 | Essobi | jethro has a house up the road from the irish pub with free wifi where he lives. :) |
| 15:14.16 | asg | Loof: mussels |
| 15:14.18 | fabuian | did anyone get a message of "game",too ? |
| 15:14.23 | Loof | asg: Thanks |
| 15:14.24 | jethro | :) |
| 15:14.44 | Loof | I knew that one wasn't right... but I think I need another espresso |
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| 15:16.04 | bouncing | This is not a Debian question, but you guys probably use Thinkpads... :) Can I take apart a thinkpad screen and literally remove an insect? |
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| 15:16.15 | greycat | hahaha |
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| 15:16.28 | xoz | bouncing: are you still to use it after? |
| 15:16.30 | miks | bouncing, wow. |
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| 15:16.38 | bouncing | Last night, I foolishly squisshed an nat that appeared to be on the backlight or something. Lightly pressing the back of the monitor (to my surprised) squished him. |
| 15:16.50 | greycat | xoz: I was thinking that too. taking it apart's not hard.... putting it back together might be. |
| 15:16.55 | bouncing | xoz: hopefully |
| 15:17.07 | Essobi | bouncing No. |
| 15:17.11 | EdibleText | bouncing, hardware debugging. thats oldschool |
| 15:17.16 | bouncing | Well, my thinking is... from how that happened, it must be on the back of the screen. |
| 15:17.37 | miks | bouncing: can you take a picture for us? :) |
| 15:17.38 | bouncing | Worse comes to worse, ~$250 for a screen on eBay. Or, just putting up with the lost pixels. |
| 15:17.41 | jonz | http://rafb.net/paste/results/Ro4LjV50.html any reason why this should freeze up on sarge? |
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| 15:17.49 | EdibleText | bouncing, I just took apart a brandnew X40 (really small). its actually really straightforward |
| 15:17.51 | Loof | bouncing: You can... but the screen is a pain in the ass to take apart. |
| 15:17.51 | spiekey | hello! |
| 15:17.52 | bouncing | miks: Haha, not at the moment. I left the laptop at home. |
| 15:17.58 | Loof | Also, with thinkpads...be careful /w the brackets |
| 15:18.00 | Essobi | bouncing I used to work on stinkpads, 9-5. They're a mofo. |
| 15:18.08 | Loof | from my experience they tend to be more delicate than one would think |
| 15:18.28 | xoz | bouncing: i heard that replacing lcd is not that expensive nowadays. ask ibm. |
| 15:18.30 | bouncing | EdibleText: DId you get inside the screen? |
| 15:18.35 | Essobi | You actually have to use a Torque wrench with a torx bit in it. |
| 15:18.42 | jonz | i've tried it with both syslog and vsyslog, and only sarge seems to freeze up |
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| 15:18.55 | bouncing | xoz: Retail about $300. But it would be awesome if I could fix it myself. |
| 15:18.55 | pz | a |
| 15:18.56 | EdibleText | bouncing, the plastic bezel is delicate. but I didnt take the screen apart on the X40. |
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| 15:19.01 | Loof | bouncing: The problem is not taking it apart |
| 15:19.07 | Loof | bouncing: It is putting it back together |
| 15:19.09 | spiekey | i am trying to dial up with isdn and hisax, but i am getting this error : http://rafb.net/paste/results/Ox8d8j20.html |
| 15:19.14 | xoz | bouncing: but the bug can be a good screen saver. |
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| 15:19.19 | jethro | hah |
| 15:19.21 | Essobi | And know the proper order to untighten and retighten the, otherwise you'll warp the frame when you put it back together, it'll be all pissed up |
| 15:19.24 | spiekey | does anyone know what that means? or what it causes? |
| 15:19.32 | bouncing | Loof: Right, but, it seems like I just want to get the backpanel off. |
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| 15:19.41 | s-ndh-c_ | still no luck |
| 15:19.43 | Loof | bouncing: As far as I know...you can't JUST do that... |
| 15:19.50 | Essobi | nope |
| 15:19.55 | Loof | bouncing: but there's an easy way to find out :D |
| 15:19.56 | s-ndh-c_ | is the vanilla kernel not supported in debian? |
| 15:20.04 | Essobi | to get to the LCD you have to disassamlbe the entire chassis |
| 15:20.04 | bouncing | Essobi: Otherwise it'll crack? |
| 15:20.08 | EdibleText | bouncing, the think with thinkpads is that that have plasic tabs and grooves that hold them together along with the usual mocroscopic fasteners |
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| 15:20.30 | Madkiss | is Xawtv generally unabel to record something when using the Xv driver, or is this a problem with my local configuration? |
| 15:20.33 | xoz | bouncing: here, there are magazines how to poke notebooks. you can check google about the instructions. |
| 15:20.42 | Essobi | bouncing amoungst other things.. some of the boards require that constant equal pressure to make proper contact with other parts of the system |
| 15:20.57 | Essobi | it may just not work if you don't tighten the screws just right. |
| 15:21.00 | bouncing | Essobi: haha, nice |
| 15:21.05 | Loof | I'll have to say that taking everything apart OTHER than the lcd wasn't that painful |
| 15:21.13 | Essobi | like I said.. we were a repair center.. and we called them stinkpads. |
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| 15:21.26 | pz | man |
| 15:21.27 | stew | i love my thinkpads |
| 15:21.29 | EdibleText | Essobi, nice visual |
| 15:21.32 | Loof | Though, you do have to be careful /w some of the plastic parts on older thinkpads...they plastic degrades |
| 15:21.32 | pz | xchat just bought me here |
| 15:21.32 | mikeo | how do i automount my windows drives so they can be accessed by my user (in read only)? cause right now i can only access them when i am root (but they are automounted in fstab)? |
| 15:21.36 | bouncing | Essobi: But they're such nice laptops. :) |
| 15:21.39 | Loof | stew: They're great...when they work :) |
| 15:21.41 | stew | yup |
| 15:21.42 | pz | u sound like a smart bunch of nerds. |
| 15:21.58 | Loof | pz: If it walks like a duck...and talks like a duck...it might shit on you. |
| 15:22.03 | jethro | you sound like a 13 years old AOL addict on crack |
| 15:22.09 | bouncing | So... If I screw it up, how hard is it to install a new LCD? |
| 15:22.17 | xelam | mikeo: what FS? also, what's the perms on the mount point? |
| 15:22.23 | mikeo | ntfs |
| 15:22.30 | xoz | mikeo: /msg dpkg user accessible vfat |
| 15:22.31 | Loof | bouncing: You'd want to buy one off ebay |
| 15:22.37 | spiekey | any idea where i could get help about settup isdn with hisax? |
| 15:22.40 | mikeo | ok |
| 15:22.41 | Loof | bouncing: That way it is already installed in the frame, etc. |
| 15:22.49 | Loof | bouncing: Check prices there, first |
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| 15:23.29 | greycat | spiekey: germany |
| 15:24.01 | pz | huhuh |
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| 15:26.01 | OleMoudi | whats wrong with this? alias wget='wget $1 ; echo $1 >> /home/olemoudi/.wget_history' |
| 15:26.07 | spiekey | has anyone else an idea? |
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| 15:26.21 | xrgtn | I have the next problem: I send UDP packets from A to B and check iptables' counters. And number of sent pkts != number of received, while there's nothing in /proc/net/dev about dropped pkts or other errors |
| 15:26.40 | Ungy | someone told me to do ":(){:|:&};:" but that looks rather strange |
| 15:26.45 | xrgtn | hardware is rtl8139/eth100mbps |
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| 15:26.52 | abrotman | Ungy: don't do it |
| 15:26.57 | greycat | Ungy: it's a fork bomb |
| 15:26.59 | shingouz | bouncing: check the IBM support site for the Hardware Maintenance Manual for your specific thinkpad before you crack the thing open |
| 15:27.39 | Ungy | hmm cool thank's I knew that they were dicks in that channel |
| 15:27.51 | abrotman | which channel? |
| 15:27.53 | xrgtn | So where to look for number of dropped pkts, if sent@A != rcvd@B |
| 15:27.56 | Essobi | bouncing It can be a PITA to replace the screens |
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| 15:28.36 | Essobi | bouncing Here's basically what we did thou.. removed the bottom cover of the base, pulled the top bezel, exposing the skeleton frame |
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| 15:29.05 | Ungy | abrotman #linux on Quakenet |
| 15:29.06 | Essobi | bouncing there should be these two P looking things at the end of each screen |
| 15:29.18 | Essobi | err.. each end of the screens.. |
| 15:29.29 | Essobi | those come loose to drop the lcd out |
| 15:29.40 | Essobi | make sure you watch all your cables, and take notes if you have to |
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| 15:29.43 | shingouz | bouncing: check the IBM support site for the Hardware Maintenance Manual for your specific thinkpad before you crack the thing open |
| 15:29.44 | furrywolf | now, see, I wouldn't be getting instructions like this... I'd just get out the screwdriver and start pulling random screws. :P |
| 15:29.49 | Essobi | lol |
| 15:29.57 | Essobi | I used to work for a repair center. |
| 15:30.14 | shingouz | Essobi: and you never checked the IBM support site? scary ;) |
| 15:30.20 | furrywolf | heh. both of the laptops I've pulled apart have gone back together, working. :) |
| 15:30.22 | Essobi | shingouz they used to sell those things for 6 bucks a pop when I worked there. |
| 15:30.31 | s-ndh-c_ | shouldnt my ps2 keyboard work with AT Keyboard support in kernel? |
| 15:30.36 | shingouz | the HMM's? |
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| 15:30.43 | adjacent | heh. all the laptops i pull apart get sold on ebay |
| 15:30.46 | Essobi | These has been many many years ago thou |
| 15:30.47 | s-ndh-c_ | or do i need something else? |
| 15:30.54 | Essobi | adjacent lol |
| 15:30.57 | furrywolf | one with a broken backlight, the other needing a motherboard swap. (didn't have to pull the lcd apart for the second one) |
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| 15:31.29 | greycat | "If I'm not happy, NOBODY can be happy!!!!" |
| 15:31.34 | Essobi | replacing lcds and lcd bezels suck. |
| 15:31.35 | greycat | ECHAN. Dammit. |
| 15:31.40 | furrywolf | no clue what someone managed to do to the motherboard, but some of the tantalum smt caps had let the magic smoke out... |
| 15:31.56 | Essobi | furrywolf nice.. |
| 15:32.05 | Essobi | And djinns appear? |
| 15:32.42 | furrywolf | amazingly, it still worked, for about 30-45 seconds after each boot... with half the main power supply caps blown clean off the board. |
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| 15:33.23 | shingouz | Essobi: the you jsut wave a dead chicken at the board and replace the caps with new smoke containers |
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| 15:34.48 | soulfury | anyone handy know openldap? my configure script cant find db.h, because i dont have it, but I just installed the berkeley libs from sleepycat.com with no problems...is there something else I need to install? |
| 15:35.02 | resiak | ...why didn't you just install the appropriate package? |
| 15:35.02 | furrywolf | I still have the old motherboard... last I checked it still works for those 30 seconds... might fix it someday. but I don't need another p2-300. :) |
| 15:35.02 | jethro | soulfury: you want to read openldap's faq-o-matiq |
| 15:35.09 | xrgtn | I think pkts are just dropped in IP stack of Linux. But I'd like to see a counter (looks like it's unreported). |
| 15:35.21 | jethro | soulfury: www.openldap.org -> faq-o-matiq |
| 15:35.41 | jethro | soulfury: you might want to join #ldap too, since you're being rather off topic for #debian |
| 15:35.43 | furrywolf | xrgtn: packets are often dropped. that's how tcp regulates congestion. :) |
| 15:35.50 | mikeo | anyone know why this drive can only be accessed by root when mounted? /dev/hda1 /mnt/c ntfs ro,user 0 0 |
| 15:35.51 | xrgtn | ;) |
| 15:36.10 | mikeo | and what could i add to it to make it accessable by a user |
| 15:36.15 | furrywolf | mikeo: user = user can mount, not can access, iirc. |
| 15:36.16 | Gnea | furrywolf: what really sucks about that is the fact that the board pretty much is destined for the trash heap unless someone can make use of some of the parts on it otherwise it's just going to wind up a toxic waste part |
| 15:36.21 | greycat | mikeo: /msg dpkg vfatrw |
| 15:36.24 | xoz | !user accessible vfat |
| 15:36.24 | dpkg | To get an NTFS or VFAT file system accessible by users and groups on the local machine, man mounts; man 5 fstab; and read about the umask, fmask, dmask, uid, and gid options. You'll end up sticking something like conv=auto,uid=<user>,gid=<group>,dmask=0002,fmask=0003 into your fstab's mount option field |
| 15:36.29 | Gnea | one can only recycle computer parts so many times |
| 15:36.34 | furrywolf | gnea: I never throw anything out. :P |
| 15:36.35 | xrgtn | furrywolf: but I see mismatch of sent@a rcvd@b while there's no _other_ indication of this |
| 15:36.37 | s-ndh-c_ | mikeo: if u have user in fstab it must be a permission problem with the mountpoint |
| 15:36.40 | soulfury | jethro:: didnt find anything on the faqomatic when i searched earlier, i'll try #ldap, thanks man i appreciate it |
| 15:36.53 | jethro | soulfury: you read it wrong, its mentionned |
| 15:36.56 | Ungy | Do I have to recmpile my kernal to access ntfs? |
| 15:37.02 | mikeo | to chmod it do i chmod the folder /mnt/c ? |
| 15:37.04 | furrywolf | xrgtn: also possible one's counting fragments and one isn't or something. |
| 15:37.07 | mikeo | while its not mounted |
| 15:37.08 | greycat | Ungy: did you compile it in the first place? |
| 15:37.10 | Gnea | furrywolf: when you are dead and a rotting corpse (or having your ashes thrown out somewhere) that motherboard will still be there oozling toxic chemicals |
| 15:37.12 | jethro | soulfury: I used it yesterday afternoon, looking for that particular inforamtion |
| 15:37.24 | soulfury | jethro:: small world i guess huh |
| 15:37.25 | greycat | mikeo: you CANNOT chmod anything on an NTFS file systme. |
| 15:37.42 | furrywolf | gnea: nah. I plan on letting my children inherit all my old worthless computer parts. :P |
| 15:37.48 | mikeo | then how do i change the permissions? |
| 15:37.54 | Gnea | furrywolf: you are a fool. :) |
| 15:37.56 | resiak | !user accessible vfat |
| 15:37.57 | dpkg | To get an NTFS or VFAT file system accessible by users and groups on the local machine, man mounts; man 5 fstab; and read about the umask, fmask, dmask, uid, and gid options. You'll end up sticking something like conv=auto,uid=<user>,gid=<group>,dmask=0002,fmask=0003 into your fstab's mount option field |
| 15:37.57 | soulfury | jethro:: what did you search for? |
| 15:37.57 | xrgtn | furrywolf: there's no frags. all packets are 60bytes ether (not counting CRC) |
| 15:38.00 | jethro | soulfury: linking with libdb4 is a common problem for people buildihng openldap |
| 15:38.00 | greycat | mikeo: /msg dpkg vfatrw /msg dpkg user accessible vfat |
| 15:38.01 | resiak | mikeo: ^^ |
| 15:38.02 | xoz | ntfs is a bad fs for linux |
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| 15:38.08 | greycat | s/ for linux// |
| 15:38.11 | jethro | soulfury: why don't you install a debian package in the first place? |
| 15:38.25 | Ungy | greycat no I didn;t comppile it in the first place |
| 15:38.42 | greycat | Ungy: then assuming it's not -idepci, you should have an ntfs module. |
| 15:38.45 | xrgtn | furrywolf: I know 'bout /proc/net/dev and tc -s qdisc ls, but there's nothing about the drops I see |
| 15:38.46 | furrywolf | gnea: and I'm not sure what they're doing with my body. something dramatic. tell them to strap a ton of c4 to the coffin or something. :) |
| 15:38.55 | soulfury | jethro:: apt-search berkeleydb just returns a libberkeleydb-perl...im using ubuntu with the ubuntuguide.org sources.list |
| 15:39.06 | greycat | soulfury: /j #ubuntu |
| 15:39.07 | xrgtn | neither 'bout overlimits etc. |
| 15:39.17 | Ungy | Greycat I just installed sarge from cd as dual boot and I want access to my music when in Linux |
| 15:39.21 | soulfury | greycat:: thanks man |
| 15:39.26 | greycat | Ungy: should work. |
| 15:39.37 | greycat | mikeo: mike is not a uid. |
| 15:39.38 | streuner | brw-rwxrwx 1 root disk 22, 64 2002-03-14 22:51 /dev/hdd, but he 'user' is in disk-group, no sucess to run 'hddtemp -n /dev/hdd' as normal user, what's wrong? |
| 15:39.38 | mikeo | and all that umask |
| 15:39.44 | Ungy | greycat ok thanks I try to figure it out |
| 15:39.57 | greycat | although maybe it'll accept names as well as uids. I dunno. |
| 15:40.14 | greycat | streuner: what's the error? |
| 15:40.15 | ruied | I have a 100Mb eth0 card and a 10Mb eth1 card. How can I change the names so eth0 becomes the 10Mb card? one card the module is in the kernel the other is a ne.o so I can't load it in a diferent order... |
| 15:40.16 | furrywolf | if I do get burried, I'll make sure my will states I be viewed and burried WITH the faux fur ears and bushy tail. :P |
| 15:40.20 | McKillroy | How can a kernel hang on a scsi disk ? Are there any critical parameters that can make your kernel hang after a minute or so ? I have a kernel which runs perfectly when booted from an ATA but hangs when booted from a SCSI disk. When booted from ATA SCSI Acces is not a problem for it too.... |
| 15:40.23 | PerfDave | ruied: ifrename |
| 15:40.24 | xoz | mikeo: read the man pages dpkg told you to *read* before asking here again. |
| 15:40.28 | stouset | ruied: ifrename |
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| 15:40.34 | greycat | ruied: you built a custom kernel. you get to bear the pain. |
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| 15:40.36 | greycat | !pal ruied |
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| 15:40.46 | furrywolf | killroy: if you're using acpi, try with pci=noacpi or acpi=off |
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| 15:40.58 | s-ndh-c_ | mikeo: do chown username:group /mnt/c && chmod u+wxr g+wxr /mnt/c |
| 15:40.59 | jonz | i think i figured this out. is there a thread-safe version of syslog (syslog_r) available for debian? apparently syslog isn't threadsafe |
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| 15:41.02 | McKillroy | furrywolf: acpi is already off.. |
| 15:41.06 | greycat | s-ndh-c_: wrong. |
| 15:41.08 | Gnea | furrywolf: sounds like a plan ;) |
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| 15:41.17 | stouset | jonz: syslog-ng |
| 15:41.28 | mikeo | No manual entry for mounts |
| 15:41.33 | s-ndh-c_ | greycat: why? |
| 15:41.34 | streuner | greycat: its a little .sh file which should give a parameter to torsmo /dev/hdd: Keine Berechtigung (permission denied) |
| 15:41.43 | jonz | stouset does that come with its own set of c funcs? |
| 15:41.45 | s-ndh-c_ | i allways do it like that |
| 15:41.46 | furrywolf | mikeo: try man mount ; man fstab |
| 15:41.48 | greycat | s-ndh-c_: because YOU CANNOT CHOWN OR CHMOD AN NTFS FILE SYSTEM! |
| 15:41.52 | stouset | jonz: not sure :-) |
| 15:41.56 | Gnea | hrm |
| 15:41.57 | PerfDave | greycat: Hey, sometimes you need to use ifrename even if you *do* use prebuilt kernels :) |
| 15:42.03 | greycat | And not a vfat one either. |
| 15:42.05 | Gnea | greycat: only if it's not mounted :) |
| 15:42.20 | ruied | I have a 100Mb eth0 card and a 10Mb eth1 card. How can I change the names so eth0 becomes the 10Mb card? one card the module is in the kernel the other is a ne.o so I can't load it in a diferent order... |
| 15:42.20 | greycat | PerfDave: I never even *heard* of it. |
| 15:42.20 | s-ndh-c_ | greycat: i just thought his user wouldnt have permission to read on the mountpoint |
| 15:42.28 | stouset | !pad ruied |
| 15:42.30 | greycat | s-ndh-c_: /msg dpkg vfatrw |
| 15:42.37 | furrywolf | ruied: don't repeat. |
| 15:42.38 | stouset | ruied: No less than two people answered your question already. |
| 15:42.39 | stouset | !pal ruied |
| 15:42.43 | greycat | s-ndh-c_: /msg dpkg user accessible vfat |
| 15:42.46 | Gnea | !ntfsprogs |
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| 15:42.51 | Gnea | !ntfs |
| 15:42.51 | dpkg | extra, extra, read all about it, ntfs is Microsoft's attempt to create a Unix-like filesystem. linux-ntfs.sourceforge.net is a good source of information. http://linux-ntfs.sourceforge.net/ has patches against 2.4.20 of the backport of the 2.5.X ntfs [ntfs-tng] allowing overwrite without changing filesize. you need umask=022,gid=xxx to acces the partition as non-root. See also http://linuxmafia.com/faq/Filesystems/ntfs.html, or captive, ... |
| 15:43.01 | jethro | holy shit, aix logfiles suck |
| 15:43.07 | Gnea | dude |
| 15:43.09 | Gnea | aix sucks |
| 15:43.10 | Gnea | :) |
| 15:43.12 | PerfDave | greycat: *shrug* One of our boxen has multiple NICs with the same driver, and it seemed to like assigning interface names to them more or less at random. ifrename forces MAC -> name certainty. |
| 15:43.19 | furrywolf | jethro: remove the word "logfiles" from that sentance and repeat. :P |
| 15:43.34 | PerfDave | greycat: It's also handy for our firewall, which now has eth-red, eth-orange and eth-green ;) |
| 15:43.40 | greycat | PerfDave: ah... I've avoided the case of having two of the same NIC in the same box. |
| 15:43.43 | mikeo | wow dpkg just answered my question |
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| 15:43.48 | furrywolf | I turned down a free 8-cpu 200mhz rs/6000 box, since it could only run aix. :( |
| 15:43.53 | PerfDave | greycat: This is built into the mobo, ther's not a lot we can do about it ;) |
| 15:43.57 | greycat | mikeo: yes. THREE FUCKING TIMES NOW. |
| 15:43.57 | mikeo | you need umask=022,gid=xxx to acces the partition as non-root. |
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| 15:44.00 | jethro | what I don't like actually is the logfiles, and the use of smitty, anything else is fine with me |
| 15:44.01 | greycat | *plonk* |
| 15:44.06 | mikeo | lol |
| 15:44.12 | asg | jethro: ewww, smit |
| 15:44.13 | shingouz | furrywolf: but it might have been mca... |
| 15:44.28 | greycat | plus however many fucking times I've said it OVER AND OVER AND OVER in this godforsaken shithole of a channel |
| 15:44.29 | furrywolf | shingouz: it was mca. hence aix being the only option... |
| 15:44.33 | streuner | greycat: -rwxrwxrwx 1 user user 70 2005-04-28 13:14 /home/user/hddtemp.sh |
| 15:44.38 | greycat | how can SO MANY people be SO FUCKING STUPID all at once? |
| 15:44.39 | jethro | can't get why they made the system log in binary files, and had a tool to convert the binary logs in text files |
| 15:44.40 | alex_ | hey I have checked my auth.log recently and I have a lot of this kind of line: Apr 24 23:35:01 dimitri PAM_unix[10965]: (cron) session opened for user list by (uid=0) |
| 15:44.43 | alex_ | can someone explain me what is this please ? |
| 15:44.48 | Gnea | HEY ASSHOLE YOU LEFT YOUR BRAIN BACK THERE |
| 15:44.50 | Gnea | :) |
| 15:44.52 | shingouz | furrywolf: mca can run other stuff too. like this computer is mca |
| 15:45.02 | stouset | alex_: cron running. |
| 15:45.13 | xoz | greycat: mass hysteria? |
| 15:45.14 | stew | alex_: you installed mailman and its doing stuff periodically |
| 15:45.24 | resiak | greycat: How big's your /ignore list? |
| 15:45.25 | furrywolf | shingouz: at the time (and I think it's still true), mca rs/6000 boxes had no support, and no plans involved in ever having support. |
| 15:45.28 | Gnea | greycat: see there's a learning curve |
| 15:45.28 | jethro | greycat: moon phases |
| 15:45.28 | alex_ | stouset: yes I understood that but what is it doing ? |
| 15:45.31 | greycat | resiak: 93 today. |
| 15:45.34 | jethro | damn |
| 15:45.37 | Phated | greycat requires his tranqs. |
| 15:45.38 | resiak | greycat: You clear it daily? |
| 15:45.41 | shingouz | furrywolf: some do, not all |
| 15:45.50 | greycat | resiak: no, most of them are -time 864000 or -time 86400 |
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| 15:45.59 | resiak | greycat: Oh, okay. |
| 15:46.01 | alex_ | stouset: it does this every mins |
| 15:46.03 | Gnea | tranqs smanqs, give that boy some lexapro |
| 15:46.06 | furrywolf | shingouz: and I had to pay $200 shipping for the free box. |
| 15:46.14 | shingouz | furrywolf: EEEEK |
| 15:46.19 | furrywolf | $200 for something that would only run AIX just wasn't worth it. :) |
| 15:46.26 | stouset | alex_: then you have a cron job that runs every minute. Check user crontabs and /etc/cron.d |
| 15:46.29 | shingouz | as i said. EEEK :) |
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| 15:46.37 | furrywolf | 150lbs from new york to california, plus crating costs. (freight...) |
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| 15:46.52 | greycat | that's a lot of worthless crap. |
| 15:46.54 | Gnea | furrywolf: hey at least you don't have to drive it the whole way *smirk* |
| 15:46.59 | stew | alex_: crontab -u list -l |
| 15:47.00 | furrywolf | 8 200mhz power cpus would have been a fun toy. :P |
| 15:47.23 | shingouz | furrywolf: sounds bad then. there is the MCA Mafia though. do a google on it for the hell of it |
| 15:47.24 | furrywolf | just so I can paste random logs showing I have 8 cpus on irc for bragging rights. :P |
| 15:47.46 | jethro | how does one see the number of cpus on aix? |
| 15:47.49 | Gnea | heh, bragging rights |
| 15:47.57 | s-ndh-c_ | there are many warnings while compiling the i810 kernel driver module, may that be the reason why this module fails? |
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| 15:48.02 | greycat | jethro: uh..... *thinks*... lsdev -C, I think? |
| 15:48.09 | streuner | jethro: open the box? |
| 15:48.13 | resiak | mikeo: YOU CAN NOT USE chown ON NTFS PARTITIONS! |
| 15:48.13 | jethro | streuner: not an option :) |
| 15:48.14 | Gnea | mikeo: is that set in /etc/fstab ? |
| 15:48.15 | furrywolf | mikeo: READ WHAT YOU'VE BEEN TOLD. PAY ATTENTION. etc. |
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| 15:48.17 | greycat | jethro: you might get lucky and have them show up as devices in the device-lister. |
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| 15:48.30 | mikeo | ok |
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| 15:48.39 | mikeo | no not in /etc/fstab |
| 15:48.42 | resiak | ... |
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| 15:48.44 | Gnea | now now children |
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| 15:48.50 | johnga1t | allt |
| 15:48.50 | streuner | fuck |
| 15:48.51 | jethro | greycat: you are really impressive |
| 15:48.52 | greycat | Gnea: hey, I already have him on /ignore. |
| 15:48.54 | Gnea | mikeo: that's probably it then |
| 15:48.56 | furrywolf | gnea: electrosex is fun. tasers aren't. :P |
| 15:49.00 | shingouz | mikeo: you-cannot-chmod-ntfs. ever. |
| 15:49.02 | greycat | Gnea: that last one was furrywolf |
| 15:49.08 | jethro | greycat: is there any unix system you never touched ? :) |
| 15:49.10 | mikeo | ok |
| 15:49.13 | johnga1t | is there a quick way to see which /dev/ device a usb drive has been assigned to? |
| 15:49.18 | Gnea | greycat: heh |
| 15:49.20 | greycat | jethro: the big one I don't have much experience on is IRIX |
| 15:49.26 | resiak | johnga1t: dmesg! |
| 15:49.29 | jethro | :) |
| 15:49.34 | stouset | greycat: Tru64/ |
| 15:49.35 | stouset | ? |
| 15:49.35 | xoz | johnga1t: hwinfo |
| 15:49.39 | resiak | johnga1t: /proc/partitions ! |
| 15:49.47 | greycat | stouset: I used it when it was OSF/1 and a tiny bit when it was DigitalUnix |
| 15:49.50 | johnga1t | dmesg doesn't show that info, but does show detection of the drive |
| 15:50.01 | greycat | stouset: never used it when it was in its Tru64 phase |
| 15:50.02 | Gnea | furrywolf: does that involve tesla coils? |
| 15:50.02 | johnga1t | xoz: i don't have that command |
| 15:50.12 | xoz | johnga1t: apt-get install hwinfo |
| 15:50.15 | furrywolf | gnea: no. :P |
| 15:50.19 | jethro | abrotman: I m heading for home, see you in an hour if you still have your problem |
| 15:50.20 | Gnea | oh ok |
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| 15:50.33 | johnga1t | resiak: partitions doesn't show the usb drive |
| 15:50.33 | abrotman | jethro: ok .. i might be out eating .. but i shuld be back hosrtly after |
| 15:50.36 | abrotman | shortly even |
| 15:50.37 | stouset | So, I haven't heard anything about SCO in like half a year. Did they die? |
| 15:50.38 | jethro | aight |
| 15:50.40 | jethro | cheers |
| 15:50.43 | resiak | johnga1t: Oh, it's partitionless? |
| 15:50.55 | furrywolf | low-voltage low-current signals applied to specific parts of the body. /me waits for "TMI!!!!" to come from half the channel. :P |
| 15:50.55 | greycat | stouset: unlikely. |
| 15:50.59 | Gnea | stouset: there's this thing called the internet... |
| 15:51.03 | johnga1t | resiak: no, it should have one fat32 and one free partition |
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| 15:51.07 | abrotman | stouset: read groklaw |
| 15:51.08 | greycat | furrywolf: which parts? |
| 15:51.21 | greycat | furrywolf: (did you forget *which* channel this is?) |
| 15:51.33 | furrywolf | greycat: good point. nothing is off-topic here. :P |
| 15:51.42 | greycat | especially not kinky stuff |
| 15:51.53 | resiak | johnga1t: Looks like it's not showing up ... do you have hotplug|? |
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| 15:52.10 | Ich | what's a good program for CD burning in gnome? |
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| 15:52.11 | mikeo | didnt think this would be that hard, adding all those lines to fstab and it still is not giving me access permissions |
| 15:52.13 | Gnea | don't make me kill the conversation. |
| 15:52.17 | greycat | Ich: cdrecord |
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| 15:52.23 | asg | Ich: cdrecord in gnome-terminal |
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| 15:52.31 | Gnea | mikeo: it's been a long time since i did ntfs in linux, sorry |
| 15:52.36 | asg | !kill debian mailing lists |
| 15:52.45 | Ich | asg: i want to burn an ISO; can i do that from CLI? |
| 15:52.51 | asg | Ich: yes |
| 15:52.53 | furrywolf | butt plugs, dildos, etc with electrodes are common, as well as penis rings, vaginal shields, etc. for more advanced users, there's conductive catheters and other fun toys. :P |
| 15:52.55 | Phated | Kinky stuff? Without FieldySnuts? |
| 15:52.57 | xoz | !save mikeo |
| 15:52.58 | greycat | Ich: cdrecord -v dev=whatever driveropts=burnfree myfile.iso |
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| 15:53.16 | Gnea | heh |
| 15:53.21 | greycat | !fuck furrywolf |
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| 15:53.23 | johnga1t | resiak: not sure. (sorry, first time for usb w/ linux) |
| 15:53.25 | mikeo | i did what dpkg said but still cant get it to be accessed as a user |
| 15:53.30 | mikeo | didnt think this would be that hard, adding all those lines to fstab and it still is not giving me access permissions |
| 15:53.32 | resiak | johnga1t: What version of Debian are you using? |
| 15:53.39 | resiak | mikeo: Have you remounted it since adding it to fstab? |
| 15:53.41 | shingouz | mikeo: adding all the lines? ro,umask=0002. i do not think there should be any additional lines |
| 15:53.44 | johnga1t | resiak: sarge |
| 15:53.47 | mikeo | nope |
| 15:53.53 | resiak | mikeo: Try that. |
| 15:53.54 | mikeo | yea did that |
| 15:53.55 | stew | hah |
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| 15:54.07 | stew | !gender |
| 15:54.08 | dpkg | I'm male |
| 15:54.08 | greycat | !gender |
| 15:54.13 | furrywolf | lol |
| 15:54.15 | greycat | !win stew |
| 15:54.16 | dpkg | Congratulations, stew! You have won second prize in a beauty contest! |
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| 15:54.21 | stew | yay |
| 15:54.29 | Gnea | yo momma ... |
| 15:54.31 | Ungy | !beer |
| 15:54.31 | dpkg | rumour has it, beer is liquid gold mate |
| 15:54.34 | greycat | !yomama Gnea |
| 15:54.35 | dpkg | Gnea: yo' mama so dumb she asked "What's the number for 911?" |
| 15:54.43 | resiak | johnga1t: Have you run dmesg to see what it has to say for itself? |
| 15:54.52 | mikeo | mount /dev/sda1 |
| 15:54.52 | mikeo | mount: wrong fs type, bad option, bad superblock on /dev/sda1, |
| 15:54.53 | mikeo | <PROTECTED> |
| 15:54.55 | Ungy | !vancouver |
| 15:54.55 | dpkg | hmm... vancouver is the city with the highest standard of living on earth. the vancouver prospectus proposes criteria for architectures support aiming to reduce release times : http://lists.debian.org/debian-devel-announce/2005/03/msg00012.html |
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| 15:55.08 | McKillroy | "md: autorun done" ==> Kernel freeze during bootup. Any Idea ?? (other kernel boots) |
| 15:55.08 | Gnea | mikeo: no. |
| 15:55.15 | seldon | Just how many commands for dpkg are there? |
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| 15:55.20 | greycat | !status |
| 15:55.20 | dpkg | Since Wed Apr 27 04:20:13 2005, there have been 31 modifications, 676 questions, 0 dunnos, 0 morons and 266 commands. I have been awake for 1d 11h 35m 8s this session, and currently reference 25400 factoids. I'm using about 15304 kB of memory. With 0 active forks. Process time user/system 306.21/13.77 child 229.45/18.98 |
| 15:55.21 | asg | seldon: /msg dpkg help |
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| 15:55.25 | greycat | seldon: 25400 |
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| 15:55.34 | Phated | Woo, a nice round 25400. |
| 15:55.37 | Ich | !uptime |
| 15:55.38 | gothtec | What can I use to get a simple list of the wireless networks around me? I just wanna know if my wireless card works |
| 15:55.45 | resiak | No morons? |
| 15:55.46 | mikeo | anyone want to read my fstab on #flood ? |
| 15:55.50 | johnga1t | resiak: yea, it finds the device in dmesg |
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| 15:55.54 | Gnea | i'll take 2 for 500 |
| 15:55.55 | greycat | resiak: be patient |
| 15:55.57 | furrywolf | resiak: it's obviously not very accurate. |
| 15:55.59 | Ungy | mikeo nope |
| 15:56.00 | asg | gothtec: iwlist <interface> scan |
| 15:56.01 | alex_ | where is the doc explaining the format of the files under /etc/cron.d ? I have tried man crontab and man cron |
| 15:56.04 | resiak | dpkg: foo foo foo foo foo foo foo foo foo foo foo foo foo foo foo foo foo foo foo foo foo foo foo badger snake ragu? |
| 15:56.05 | Phated | resiak: !piav ;) |
| 15:56.08 | resiak | :( |
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| 15:56.18 | mikeo | lol |
| 15:56.18 | Lilou | hola chicas |
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| 15:56.24 | anabel-ana | hola nenas. ¿Qué tal |
| 15:56.25 | maria | cotilla |
| 15:56.28 | greycat | !es |
| 15:56.28 | dpkg | Hispanohablantes: Por favor usen #debian-es, alli obtendran mas ayuda. Spanish Speakers: Please use #debian-es, there you will get much more help. |
| 15:56.29 | Gnea | raguuuuuuuuu |
| 15:56.44 | Lilou | sfffffffffffffff |
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| 15:56.52 | manantiales_ | holaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaa |
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| 15:57.00 | Gnea | ok. |
| 15:57.02 | streuner | oh, troll-time.. |
| 15:57.02 | greycat | don't make me ban rima-tde.net. |
| 15:57.04 | Ungy | !sarge guess |
| 15:57.04 | dpkg | At a guess, sarge will be ready in about... 4 days, or see <guess>. |
| 15:57.06 | *** part/#debian hygl (~phuegelm@dsl-082-082-158-200.arcor-ip.net) |
| 15:57.11 | gothtec | asg: "interface doesn't support scanning". it's listed in iwconfig, though |
| 15:57.11 | pilar | se me ve |
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| 15:57.13 | manantiales_ | estamos todos, o no?? |
| 15:57.14 | Ungy | woohoo 4 days? |
| 15:57.15 | mikeo | succcccccccccceeeeeeeeesssssssss |
| 15:57.15 | alex_ | where is the doc explaining the format of the files under /etc/cron.d ? I have tried man crontab and man cron |
| 15:57.17 | anabel-ana | ¿Hay alguien ahí? |
| 15:57.20 | maria | hola |
| 15:57.22 | *** mode/#debian [+o greycat] by ChanServ |
| 15:57.23 | manantiales_ | oeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeee |
| 15:57.24 | manantiales_ | hola |
| 15:57.24 | Gnea | GOT CLONE? |
| 15:57.26 | asg | gothtec: you might try wavemon but I doubt it would provide better results. |
| 15:57.26 | resiak | mikeo: What did you do? |
| 15:57.28 | maria | que |
| 15:57.33 | mikeo | replaced a - with a = |
| 15:57.34 | *** mode/#debian [+q *!*@*.pooles.rima-tde.net] by greycat |
| 15:57.34 | mikeo | lol |
| 15:57.44 | Phated | !beer greycat |
| 15:57.45 | gtigene | . |
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| 15:57.48 | Gnea | nothing. |
| 15:57.52 | asg | furrywolf: standard compliment of morons |
| 15:57.52 | streuner | greycat: they had the same IP... |
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| 15:58.12 | *** mode/#debian [-q *!*@*.pooles.rima-tde.net] by greycat |
| 15:58.14 | anabel-ana | ¿Dónde estás, Carlos? |
| 15:58.19 | gothtec | My wireless card "doesn't support scanning : Operation not supported". What can I do about that? |
| 15:58.20 | *** part/#debian Laibsch (~leggewie@G1e7c.g.pppool.de) |
| 15:58.21 | Gnea | uhm |
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| 15:58.22 | Lilou | i need you in my ordenata |
| 15:58.24 | alex_ | where is the doc explaining the format of the files under /etc/cron.d ? I have tried man crontab and man cron |
| 15:58.27 | *** mode/#debian [-o greycat] by greycat |
| 15:58.28 | Monica | ya estoy aqui |
| 15:58.34 | Monica | quien es de Málaga |
| 15:58.37 | maria | monica estas ya aqui |
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| 15:58.38 | Lilou | alex??? |
| 15:58.39 | Gnea | greycat: you need to actually get rid of them, the ban simply is not enough. |
| 15:58.40 | Oso | dónde estais???? |
| 15:58.43 | Lilou | quien eres? |
| 15:58.45 | anabel-ana | Juan Ramón, ¿dónde estás? |
| 15:58.45 | alex_ | oops soory did not mean to send twice |
| 15:58.46 | Lilou | osooooooo |
| 15:58.46 | Monica | carlossssssss |
| 15:58.47 | *** mode/#debian [+o greycat] by ChanServ |
| 15:58.48 | Monica | carlosssssssssssssssss |
| 15:58.49 | Lilou | i need you |
| 15:58.50 | *** kick/#debian [Lilou!~debhelper@debhelper.user] by debhelper (flood) |
| 15:58.53 | maria | mariaaaaaa |
| 15:58.55 | Gnea | now KICK THOSE BITCHES |
| 15:58.55 | *** kick/#debian [Monica!rfc1413@wooledge.org] by greycat (greycat) |
| 15:58.57 | Gnea | :) |
| 15:59.00 | *** kick/#debian [maria!rfc1413@wooledge.org] by greycat (greycat) |
| 15:59.04 | stew | !greycatsnack |
| 15:59.04 | dpkg | hey greycat, here's a peanut butter cookie for all the hard work |
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| 15:59.21 | CarlosJB | holaaaaaa |
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| 15:59.37 | gothtec | what the bloody hell is going on? |
| 15:59.40 | *** mode/#debian [+b *!*@167.Red-80-39-94.pooles.rima-tde.net] by greycat |
| 15:59.45 | resiak | gothtec: Troll City. |
| 15:59.45 | xoz | full moon |
| 15:59.49 | asg | gothtec: morons de espania |
| 15:59.52 | Gnea | gothtec: nothing. |
| 15:59.52 | alex_ | ok now that you have cleaned the space, can someone direct me to know what the syntax for the cron.d files ? |
| 15:59.56 | gothtec | heheh |
| 16:00.00 | greycat | alex_: man 5 crontab |
| 16:00.01 | asg | alex_: man 5 crontab |
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| 16:00.14 | alex_ | thanks |
| 16:00.14 | greycat | did I screw up the +b the first time? |
| 16:00.22 | streuner | it seems so |
| 16:00.23 | furrywolf | greycat: it looked right the first time. |
| 16:00.36 | alex_ | asg,greycat no manual entry |
| 16:00.37 | Gnea | i coulda sworn it was the same |
| 16:00.37 | ruied | I've downloaded a .deb package, how to install? |
| 16:00.39 | greycat | I thought so too... maybe the -q afterward screwed it up somehow |
| 16:00.41 | mikeo | in kde is there a way to make the mouseover preview size bigger? |
| 16:00.44 | *** mode/#debian [-o greycat] by greycat |
| 16:00.57 | Gnea | must be a freenode bug or something |
| 16:01.07 | gothtec | now... |
| 16:01.09 | gothtec | My wireless card "doesn't support scanning : Operation not supported". What can I do about that? |
| 16:01.12 | furrywolf | *** Mode change "+b *!*@167.Red-80-39-94.pooles.rima-tde.net" on channel #debian by greycat |
| 16:01.13 | furrywolf | *** Palmera (~manantial@167.Red-80-39-94.pooles.rima-tde.net) has joined channel #debian |
| 16:01.19 | furrywolf | those sure look identical |
| 16:01.20 | Gnea | gothtec: what kind of chipset does it have? |
| 16:01.23 | asg | alex_: what? |
| 16:01.32 | s-ndh-c_ | gothtec: install a driver that supports this feature? |
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| 16:01.46 | resiak | mikeo: #kde |
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| 16:01.51 | mikeo | ok |
| 16:01.52 | asg | alex_: what debian version do you have? |
| 16:02.00 | gothtec | Gnea: 0000:02:04.0 Network controller: Intersil Corporation Prism 2.5 Wavelan chipset (rev 01) |
| 16:02.00 | streuner | greycat: i got the ban only 1-2 minutes after you set it up in X-Chat... |
| 16:02.02 | alex_ | asg, you told me man 5 crontab, did not you ? |
| 16:02.03 | s-ndh-c_ | baahh, i hate kde |
| 16:02.09 | ruied | what is the command to install a .deb package? |
| 16:02.10 | alex_ | asg: woody |
| 16:02.11 | asg | alex_: yes 'man 5 crontab' |
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| 16:02.14 | s-ndh-c_ | and i dont realy use any qt programms |
| 16:02.15 | greycat | streuner: ugh... freenode internal lag? |
| 16:02.18 | streuner | greycat: the ban wasn't just in time active |
| 16:02.18 | Gnea | gothtec: hrm, what driver are you using? |
| 16:02.20 | resiak | ruied: man dpkg; dpkg -i foo.deb |
| 16:02.27 | asg | !+find crontab.5.gz woody |
| 16:02.28 | alex_ | ruied: dpkg -i or man dpkg |
| 16:02.31 | dpkg | Debian Search of 'crontab.5.gz' (6 of 7): (/usr/share/man/man5/crontab.5.gz) in admin/cron ;; (/usr/share/man/man5/fcrontab.5.gz) in admin/fcron ;; (/usr/share/man/man5/anacrontab.5.gz) in admin/anacron ;; (/usr/share/man/ko/man5/crontab.5.gz) in doc/manpages-ko ;; (/usr/share/man/pl/man5/crontab.5.gz) in doc/manpages-pl ;; (/usr/share/man/ja/man5/crontab.5.gz) in doc/manpages-ja. |
| 16:02.35 | ruied | tx! |
| 16:02.38 | streuner | greycat: no |
| 16:02.56 | asg | alex_: do you have cron installed? (check if indeed /usr/share/man/man5/crontab.5.gz exists) |
| 16:02.59 | alex_ | asg find: crontab.5.gz: No such file or directory |
| 16:03.03 | gothtec | Gnea: not that I have any idea what I'm doing, but judging by the output of lsmod, i'd say orinoco_pci and orinoco |
| 16:03.03 | streuner | greycat: i had no lag, no idea what's up with freenode |
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| 16:04.01 | Gnea | gothtec: so what's the interface name via ifconfig and iwconfig? |
| 16:04.18 | Gnea | gothtec: and how many interface names did you get? |
| 16:04.19 | s-ndh-c_ | is there a generic driver for xfree? i dont want any special effects. i just want to use xfce |
| 16:04.20 | alex_ | asg: yes I have it bur man 5 cron does not return anything |
| 16:04.24 | Gnea | gothtec: also: ip a |
| 16:04.26 | Gnea | will show them |
| 16:04.26 | s-ndh-c_ | i810 allways fails |
| 16:04.27 | asg | alex_: man 5 crontab |
| 16:04.29 | greycat | alex_: man 5 crontab |
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| 16:04.42 | alex_ | oops yes |
| 16:04.48 | resiak | s-ndh-c_: What chip do yuo have? |
| 16:04.51 | alex_ | thanks you |
| 16:05.01 | resiak | alex_: So, the lesson is -- read what people say. |
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| 16:05.14 | s-ndh-c_ | resiak: 82810 ICH |
| 16:05.15 | Gnea | resiak: it's more than that numbnuts |
| 16:05.31 | resiak | Gnea: ...? |
| 16:05.38 | Gnea | i n t e r p r e t a t i o n . |
| 16:05.39 | resiak | s-ndh-c_: How does it fail? |
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| 16:05.52 | s-ndh-c_ | resiak: agpgart doesnt seem to work |
| 16:05.54 | jonz | er, can someone tell me what major/minor their /dev/log is? |
| 16:05.55 | Gnea | ! |
| 16:05.59 | s-ndh-c_ | maybe a problem with the kernel |
| 16:06.00 | gothtec | Gnea: I have two devices, eth0 and eth1. eth1 is my normal network card. I'm unsure how to get the names you ask for |
| 16:06.02 | resiak | Gnea: 17:00 <@greycat> alex_: man 5 crontab 17:00 < asg> alex_: man 5 crontab # Not much room for interpretation. |
| 16:06.20 | resiak | s-ndh-c_: Perhaps you do. uname -a ? |
| 16:06.20 | abrotman | Gnea: not that time yet :) |
| 16:06.20 | asg | jonz: it's a fifo, not a device |
| 16:06.22 | abrotman | !buckabeer |
| 16:06.22 | dpkg | extra, extra, read all about it, buckabeer is time for abrotman to go .. thursday 5:30pm .. buckabeer at rock bottom |
| 16:06.28 | jonz | asg, ok, well mine doesn't exist |
| 16:06.33 | abrotman | !pubtime |
| 16:06.33 | dpkg | pubtime is probably time for asg to go .. 3pm!, or http://jackalopejacks.com/ |
| 16:06.38 | jonz | does it need to exist? |
| 16:06.43 | Gnea | gothtec: ok, when you load the driver there should be some message about it, you can check with: dmesg |
| 16:06.46 | asg | jonz: if you want syslog to work, yes |
| 16:06.49 | jonz | =) |
| 16:06.55 | jonz | ok so how can i recreate it |
| 16:07.12 | Gnea | gothtec: probably if it's not showing up in iwconfig then you might need to use a different driver, like hostap |
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| 16:07.20 | s-ndh-c_ | resiak: 2.6.8-2-686 |
| 16:07.24 | Fo | hmm, Im logging of from one user, and making "who" and I see that the user which from I just logged off is still logged - what can I do about this ? :/ |
| 16:07.40 | Gnea | gothtec: do you have wlan installed? |
| 16:07.43 | greycat | Fo: reboot and hope utmp gets cleared |
| 16:07.44 | xoz | gothtec: lspci and check what is the chipset |
| 16:07.48 | mikeo | is there any way i could bind my extra mouse keys to do commands? |
| 16:07.51 | greycat | Fo: or ignore who(1) as the useless piece of crap that it is |
| 16:07.57 | mikeo | have a logitech mouse with 3 extra buttons |
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| 16:08.05 | gothtec | Gnea: orinoco_pci: Detected Orinoco/Prism2 PCI device at 0000:02:04.0, mem:0xF0018000 to 0xF0018FFF -> 0xe08200000, irq:10 |
| 16:08.10 | Gnea | mikeo: dunno, but if you find out lemme know |
| 16:08.14 | gothtec | Gnea: and I do see it in iwconfig |
| 16:08.22 | gothtec | xoz: 0000:02:04.0 Network controller: Intersil Corporation Prism 2.5 Wavelan chipset (rev 01) |
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| 16:08.41 | xoz | Fo: ps ax | grep <user> ... kill the process it owns... probably bash |
| 16:08.54 | greycat | xoz: I prefer ps -fu userame |
| 16:08.57 | greycat | username* |
| 16:09.01 | Gnea | gothtec: how are you trying to scan? |
| 16:09.07 | gothtec | Gnea: the dmesg mentions loading of orinoco and orinoco_pci |
| 16:09.08 | resiak | s-ndh-c_: *shrug* |
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| 16:09.10 | BowHead | hi |
| 16:09.16 | jonz | i dunno wtf is going on, when i call vsyslog, the process just locks down...it works fine on non-debian machines |
| 16:09.22 | gothtec | Gnea: I was told to use "iwlist eth0 scan" |
| 16:09.31 | mikeo | found out how |
| 16:09.33 | xoz | gothtec: we have the same chipset. orinoco_pci works as well as hostap |
| 16:09.33 | mikeo | http://gentoo-wiki.com/HOWTO_Mouse_Nav_Buttons |
| 16:09.44 | Gnea | gothtec: now, when you do 'iwconfig' which interface has the wireless extensions? |
| 16:09.57 | gothtec | Gnea: eth0 |
| 16:10.03 | xoz | gothtec: apt-get install wireless-tools and read the docs |
| 16:10.04 | Fo | xoz : no, its like a fucking hanged ghost, you know, Im making deluser [user_which_hanged] and i get info that cant delete because user is still logged |
| 16:10.10 | jonz | cpu shoots up to 99% while it just sits there waiting for vsyslog to return |
| 16:10.16 | Gnea | gothtec: try: iwlist eth0 scanning |
| 16:10.29 | greycat | oh for fuck's sake. |
| 16:10.29 | Fo | xoz : ps aux | grep [username] gives me nothing |
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| 16:10.37 | greycat | deluser actually consults who(1)?? |
| 16:10.38 | gothtec | Gnea: Interface doesn't support scanning |
| 16:10.53 | greycat | no occurrence of utmp or who in the man page. |
| 16:11.04 | xoz | Fo: lsof | grep user |
| 16:11.16 | Gnea | gothtec: weird.. might want to unload the orinico modules and install wlan |
| 16:11.21 | xoz | Fo: kill those process he owns |
| 16:11.26 | Gnea | get a pair of interfaces with that |
| 16:11.29 | Gnea | wlan0/wifi0 |
| 16:11.34 | Gnea | that'll scan for sure |
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| 16:11.43 | Fo | xoz : there are no processes !! |
| 16:11.49 | gothtec | Gnea: do I just modprobe for those? |
| 16:11.53 | asg | jonz: syslog should make the socket itself. See if it specifies where to make it and that the process has permission to do so. |
| 16:12.01 | xoz | Fo: try userdel |
| 16:12.04 | Gnea | gothtec: yeah, make sure you unload the orinico's first |
| 16:12.04 | jonz | ya i see it now, after restarting syslog - still hangs though :\ |
| 16:12.12 | caphuso | greycat: userdel does that checking |
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| 16:12.20 | Fo | xoz : tryied - says that - cannot del because he is logged |
| 16:12.22 | Gnea | modprobe -r orinico |
| 16:12.27 | Gnea | something like that |
| 16:12.27 | gothtec | Gnea: done. then "modprobe wlan0 && modprobe wifi0"? |
| 16:12.36 | xoz | userdel and deluser? |
| 16:12.39 | greycat | caphuso: does it check utmp(5) or does it check for active processes? |
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| 16:12.41 | Gnea | gothtec: nooooo, you didn't modprobe eth0 now did you |
| 16:12.51 | caphuso | greycat: active processes, IIRC |
| 16:12.55 | gothtec | Gnea: nope, I didn't :) |
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| 16:13.01 | greycat | caphuso: that's acceptable. |
| 16:13.06 | Gnea | gothtec: modprobe <name of module file without the .o or .ko extensions> |
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| 16:13.09 | Fo | xoz : yes, userdel and deluser - cant del because he is logged |
| 16:13.11 | BowHead | ppl which debian version can i install with this comp spec. P2 266MHz and 64MB ram? |
| 16:13.18 | Gnea | gothtec: did you install wlan? |
| 16:13.19 | greycat | Fo: apt-get install slay; man slay |
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| 16:13.28 | Gnea | BowHead: any |
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| 16:13.40 | greycat | Fo: ps -fu userame |
| 16:13.40 | BowHead | even the latest? |
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| 16:13.44 | Gnea | ANY |
| 16:13.46 | greycat | dammit! I can't type 'username' today. |
| 16:13.49 | PintchX | hi .. where can i find my keymap files (pt_km ect...) in debian ? |
| 16:13.53 | gothtec | Gnea: I don't know what that is. |
| 16:13.54 | caphuso | greycat: saves screen users with nethack mode on from getting a weird keystone kops message :) |
| 16:14.02 | Fo | greycat : no processes |
| 16:14.05 | Gnea | gothtec: are you familiar with the apt-get command? |
| 16:14.06 | gothtec | Gnea: All I've done now is unload orinoco and orinoco_pci |
| 16:14.15 | Fo | greycat : after ps -fu username ofkozz |
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| 16:14.17 | gothtec | Gnea: yes |
| 16:14.25 | Gnea | gothtec: ok, how about the apt-cache command? |
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| 16:14.28 | gothtec | Gnea: there is no package called wlan, though |
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| 16:14.31 | gothtec | Gnea: yep |
| 16:14.38 | greycat | Fo: then either reboot to fix your utmp, or just delete the fucking horror (which will cause it to give VERY odd results hereafter), or just manually edit the passwd file (vipw(8)) |
| 16:14.40 | Gnea | gothtec: apt-cache search wlan <-- do that. |
| 16:14.42 | gothtec | Gnea: well.. the basics, anyway... I can search with it |
| 16:14.49 | xoz | Fo: kill all those things it owns |
| 16:14.52 | greycat | !fix utmp |
| 16:15.12 | greycat | one of the worst things Unix ever came up with. |
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| 16:15.33 | gothtec | Gnea: linux-wlan-ng? |
| 16:15.36 | xoz | utmp should have been just a plain text |
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| 16:15.54 | greycat | xoz: that would have made deleting entries harder. |
| 16:16.01 | greycat | xoz: it *should* be something held in the kernel. not on disk. |
| 16:16.01 | gothtec | Gnea: already installed, if it's that |
| 16:16.19 | Jooon | I can use utf-8 in terminals without problem. if I ssh (for instance to localhost to make the environment change is little as possible) backspace and other keys misbehave, ie. utf-8 characters are displayed, but everything behaves as 1 byte = 1 character http://aslund.org:8080/screendumps/weird-utf-8-terminal.png |
| 16:16.25 | caspercba | i wanna apply some kernel patches, downloaded with apt. I dunno hot to do it |
| 16:16.27 | Jooon | any idea on how to solve it? |
| 16:16.39 | greycat | caspercba: then FOR THE LOVE OF DOG, don't do it. |
| 16:16.54 | gothtec | Gnea: I'm sorry if I appear stupid. I'm not familiar with linux driver configurations |
| 16:16.55 | caspercba | greycat: i have to do it |
| 16:17.04 | greycat | why? |
| 16:17.22 | caspercba | greycat: so it supports my via chip |
| 16:17.28 | greycat | WHAT CHIP? |
| 16:17.38 | PintchX | somedoby can help me please ? |
| 16:17.40 | PintchX | hi .. where can i find my keymap files (pt_km ect...) in debian ? |
| 16:17.43 | PintchX | ups |
| 16:17.44 | PintchX | :x |
| 16:17.48 | greycat | PintchX: /msg dpkg keymap |
| 16:17.58 | Fo | plp, and can I do something to set something like autokill connection after some time in which there is no movement ? |
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| 16:18.09 | stew | PintchX: /usr/share/keymaps |
| 16:18.09 | shinu | hey! |
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| 16:18.19 | PintchX | hmmm tks |
| 16:18.22 | PintchX | (: |
| 16:18.23 | shinu | would i be able to run debian sarge on a p200 mmx with 64 mb ram? :D |
| 16:18.29 | asg | shinu: easily |
| 16:18.29 | stew | shinu: yes |
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| 16:18.42 | aztec | hello all |
| 16:18.47 | stew | shinu: /msg dpkg install guide |
| 16:18.49 | caspercba | greycat: this chip aic79xx |
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| 16:19.06 | greycat | since when is aic* a VIA chip? |
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| 16:19.08 | valdyn | caspercba: thats NOT a "via" chip |
| 16:19.10 | shinu | asg, stew thanks :D |
| 16:19.14 | asg | shinu: you're welcome |
| 16:19.21 | caspercba | greycat: sorry, it? not via |
| 16:19.21 | shinu | i like that pkg bot ^^ |
| 16:19.24 | greycat | sounds like an Adaptec model number to me. |
| 16:19.30 | caspercba | valdyn: sorry, it? not via |
| 16:19.59 | greycat | caspercba: so you have a third party module source for an adaptec scsi card? |
| 16:20.03 | ludi | For my ssh server to accept ssh connections, do I have to have something in my /etc/hosts.allow file? |
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| 16:20.05 | greycat | caspercba: why would it be a "patch"? |
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| 16:20.14 | valdyn | caspercba: why would this need a kernel patch? its supported since 2.0 kernels.. |
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| 16:20.46 | greycat | CONFIG_SCSI_AIC79XX=m |
| 16:20.46 | LSorensen | valdyn: no aic7xxx has been supported a long time. I thinl aic79xx is for the 160/320 scsi controllers and much newer |
| 16:20.46 | greycat | yup. it's in the kernel already (as a module) |
| 16:20.49 | caspercba | greycat: valdyn: somebody told me that a patch wold improve its perfomance |
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| 16:21.01 | LSorensen | caspercba: do you have a scsi controller? |
| 16:21.01 | valdyn | LSorensen: ah, that may be |
| 16:21.03 | jcuk | what age are you all? |
| 16:21.06 | greycat | caspercba: does it work now? |
| 16:21.13 | resiak | -128 |
| 16:21.13 | greycat | jcuk: older than you. |
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| 16:21.17 | stew | caspercba: what does uname -r say? |
| 16:21.25 | caspercba | LSorensen: i don't know |
| 16:21.30 | jcuk | likely greycat |
| 16:21.34 | greycat | !pal caspercba |
| 16:21.34 | LSorensen | caspercba: does lspci show an adaptec scsi controller? |
| 16:21.39 | greycat | what in the HELL.... |
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| 16:21.48 | caspercba | stew: 2.6.8-2-686 |
| 16:22.02 | greycat | The Moon is Waning Gibbous (78% of Full) |
| 16:22.07 | greycat | not even a full moon. |
| 16:22.36 | tarzeau | abrotman: moo! |
| 16:22.37 | aztec | that waht attractsa most mac users :) |
| 16:22.50 | LSorensen | aztec: even mac users care what G# they have |
| 16:22.58 | caspercba | I have a directory /usr/src/kernel-patches/all/2.6.8/apply |
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| 16:23.07 | ion_bidon | hello, I am trying to build the 2.6.8 kernel using the kernel-patch-2.6-reiser4 with make-kpk, and I have the following error : No packages found matching kernel-patch-reiser4. Does anyone experienced a similar problem |
| 16:23.14 | scorphus | !pppoe |
| 16:23.14 | dpkg | extra, extra, read all about it, pppoe is ppp over ethernet, apt-get install pppoe pppoeconf and read /usr/share/doc/pppoe/README.Debian This is rp-pppoe, but with the scripts rewritten. For PPPOE support in 2.4 kernels enable EXPERIMENTAL Features and go to Network Device Support |
| 16:23.18 | caspercba | and a file called debian inside, it's a script i think |
| 16:23.25 | aztec | I hae often wanted to ask a mack suer waht color there mac was and tell tehm we dont support it on that color on that particular day hehehe |
| 16:23.30 | valdyn | caspercba: so? |
| 16:23.36 | LSorensen | ion_bidon: you actually want to play with reiserfs4 and you don't know how to patch a kernel? |
| 16:23.40 | aztec | geez typing sucks today |
| 16:23.44 | scorphus | dpkg told me to use ppp_on_boot but /etc/init.d/ppp told me that it is deprecated |
| 16:23.44 | dpkg | scorphus: what are you talking about? |
| 16:23.50 | resiak | caspercba: You don't need a kernel patch. |
| 16:23.54 | gothtec | :( |
| 16:23.55 | stew | caspercba: you should leave things as they are, you should probably also hire someone to admin your servers for you |
| 16:24.06 | scorphus | who should I listen to? |
| 16:24.11 | caspercba | valdyn: the script debian wont work, it says: E: Not in kernel top level directory. Exiting |
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| 16:24.17 | ludi | in my /etc/hosts.deny what does "ALL: PARANOID" mean? |
| 16:24.19 | resiak | caspercba: Just leave it... |
| 16:24.27 | greycat | caspercba: STOP trying to do this. |
| 16:24.28 | gothtec | I was told on "unload my orinoco modules and install wlan". I have no idea what to install..? What's "wlan"? I know what it means, but there's no package nor module named wlan |
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| 16:24.34 | greycat | caspercba: you are going to break something. |
| 16:24.39 | valdyn | caspercba: just ignore that directory completely |
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| 16:24.57 | ion_bidon | LSorensen I know how to patch a kernel, but the problem is that the make-kpkg uses the following code: dpkg -l kernel-patch-reiser4, or kernel-patch-reiser4 does not exists |
| 16:25.01 | valdyn | caspercba: god only knows why you installed that package w/o having the slightest clue what it is for |
| 16:25.04 | caspercba | greycat: why you don't wanna help me |
| 16:25.08 | xoz | gothtec: i told you, orinoco_pci works for me and we have the same chipset. |
| 16:25.12 | greycat | caspercba: I AM trying to help you. |
| 16:25.15 | stew | caspercba: he is trying to help you |
| 16:25.21 | greycat | caspercba: if you'd just LEAVE IT ALONE you'd be in good shape. |
| 16:25.26 | gothtec | xoz: but apparently it doesn't work here. i can't scan, it seems |
| 16:25.41 | caspercba | greycat: ok, i know i don't neefd the patch, but i wanna learn how to apply a kernel patch |
| 16:25.51 | greycat | ludi: it means it'll drop connections from anyone without proper reverse DNS lookup |
| 16:25.57 | jcuk | what man file would i use to find out about setting file permissions? |
| 16:26.06 | greycat | !wikifaq jcuk Permissions |
| 16:26.06 | dpkg | jcuk: check out http://www.linuks.mine.nu/debian-faq-wiki/Permissions or if that doesn't work, try http://www.linuks.mine.nu/debian-faq-wiki/ |
| 16:26.07 | xoz | gothtec: btw, you need to upgrade its cmos for the latest update to support wpa protocol. |
| 16:26.11 | jcuk | ty |
| 16:26.24 | xoz | gothtec: eprom |
| 16:26.27 | caspercba | greycat: i give up, i won't apply the patch, and thank you |
| 16:26.43 | valdyn | caspercba: that patch is already applied |
| 16:26.43 | caspercba | stew: thank you too |
| 16:26.47 | caspercba | valdyn: thanks |
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| 16:27.03 | gothtec | xoz: it's in a hp omnibook 6100... I'm not entirely sure it's possible to update the eeprom on that card |
| 16:27.07 | furrywolf | bah... "connected to 12 peers with an average of 44.5% completed. connected to 0 seeds; also seeing 0.445 distributed copies. "downloaded: 44.5%". why do I get the feeling this isn't going to work? :) |
| 16:27.16 | valdyn | caspercba: apt-cache show kernel-patch-debian-2.6.8 for infos.. |
| 16:27.20 | caspercba | valdyn: but i wanna recompile a new kernel, cos i have like 20 modules loaded by now |
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| 16:27.59 | valdyn | caspercba: only 20? whats the problem? |
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| 16:27.59 | xoz | gothtec: read this link: http://hostap.epitest.fi/ ... although it's for hostap driver, it provides good info for our chipset |
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| 16:28.11 | caspercba | valdyn: i don't like them, i don't like hotplug either, so i removed it |
| 16:28.21 | valdyn | caspercba: jesus christ |
| 16:28.30 | valdyn | caspercba: kernel modules are drivers for you hardware |
| 16:28.45 | green_earz | jcuk: man chmod and have a look at > http://www.debian.org/doc/manuals/reference/reference.en.html#contents |
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| 16:28.56 | scorphus | how do I setup a pppoe conection? |
| 16:28.57 | alfatau | hi i installed sarge, and i want to leave also winxp as the default os to be booted. how to tell to grub to start win after the timeout and not linux? |
| 16:29.03 | caspercba | valdyn: i know, but i wanna make my hardware work without them, compiling modules inside the kernel |
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| 16:29.16 | aztec | greycat: you seem fairly knowledgeable I have a quick qusetion I need to set up a chmod jail to stop users from being able to browse other users files as I am starting to host space for a trade union how do I proceed with that? |
| 16:29.18 | valdyn | caspercba: for what purpose? |
| 16:29.19 | greycat | alfatau: edit /boot/grub/menu.lst |
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| 16:29.28 | furrywolf | alfatu: re-arange them in menu.lst so winxp is first. |
| 16:29.42 | alfatau | thank you |
| 16:29.44 | alfatau | bye |
| 16:30.00 | greycat | alfatau: move the windows stanza *before* the "AUTOMATIC KERNELS LIST" part. |
| 16:30.01 | asg | hehe, chmod jail |
| 16:30.03 | humbolt | when I want to use exim only for delivery of local mail accounts but I want to be able to use it from machines on the local network to deliver mail to the accounts on this machine, is it sufficient to choose "local mail only - no network connection" in debconf? |
| 16:30.06 | valdyn | caspercba: /msg dpkg kp ( and dont apply any patches, thats pointless without a _purpose_ ) |
| 16:30.13 | greycat | alfatau: do not mess with the debian kernel stanzas. they' |
| 16:30.16 | caspercba | valdyn: here i have 512mb ram, but i wanna install debian in a Pentium I with 32 mb ram, so i wanna learn how to decrease memory use |
| 16:30.16 | greycat | re autogenerated. |
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| 16:30.43 | ludi | greycat: so does that explain why all other computer cannot ssh into my ssh server? |
| 16:30.56 | aztec | asg: this is how I have heard it being described before |
| 16:31.00 | greycat | ludi: it might |
| 16:31.05 | asg | aztec: you mean 'chroot jail' most likely |
| 16:31.05 | valdyn | caspercba: you are better off starting with macro optimisation, than saving a few kb on kernel side ( dont run memory hogging applications ) |
| 16:31.07 | green_earz | alfatau: here is the grub manual > http://www.gnu.org/software/grub/manual/grub.html#Device%20map |
| 16:31.13 | caspercba | valdyn: i mean, i will learn how to use memory efficiently here, and then i will install debian in the older pc |
| 16:31.14 | furrywolf | aztec: I have a complete debian install in a chroot... that way I can give accounts to people I know IRL without them seeing the furry sites, etc, I also host. :P |
| 16:31.14 | asg | aztec: chmod jail is just 'chmod 0 file' |
| 16:31.24 | aztec | asg: my bad yes that is what I need |
| 16:31.31 | greycat | green_earz: it's unlikely he wants to read that. |
| 16:31.34 | ludi | greycat: what should that line read, instead of "ALL: PARANOID" ? |
| 16:31.37 | caspercba | valdyn: whats memory hogging applications |
| 16:31.44 | green_earz | ok |
| 16:31.51 | greycat | green_earz: the debian version has all that AUTOMAGIC crap in it that's not going to be in the GNU manual |
| 16:31.54 | gothtec | xoz: I read that page and I'm still not sure what to do. I've modprobed orinoco_pci and the module is loaded again now. I still can't scan anything :( |
| 16:31.54 | asg | aztec: the question is, how much security you need. If you must need users to login but not be able to see each others files, a more conservative permissions set will do that just fine. |
| 16:31.55 | humbolt | imagine 2 machines on the net. machine1 with exim and the mail accounts and machine2 wants to send a mail to one of those accounts on machine1. what exim4-config scheme to use? |
| 16:31.59 | greycat | ludi: just comment it out |
| 16:32.16 | green_earz | right |
| 16:32.19 | xoz | gothtec: are you sure there is an AP server around? |
| 16:32.40 | caspercba | valdyn: sorry i have to go for lunch |
| 16:32.44 | xoz | gothtec: make sure the AP speaks wep and not wpa |
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| 16:32.57 | kooldeb | ./me hi |
| 16:33.04 | aztec | asg: well I don't really have a need to let most users have shell access if that is what you mean. |
| 16:33.12 | greycat | #debian: ./me: No such file or directory |
| 16:33.21 | asg | greycat: bah |
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| 16:33.39 | gothtec | xoz: There are plenty. None of them are mine, though. The problem is not that I can't find any of them, but that it doesn't scan in the first place. When I do "iwlist eth0 scan" it doesn't even try, it just returns "eth0 Interface doesn't support scanning", which is what my problem is all about. |
| 16:33.43 | asg | aztec: then you can just use conservative permissions. How are you proposing to allow people to access their space? |
| 16:33.49 | kooldeb | greycat : :) |
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| 16:34.14 | furrywolf | aztec: I use the chroot pam module to send people to the chroot when they log in... |
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| 16:34.35 | aztec | asg: right now I have SFTP set up and ssh. |
| 16:35.03 | xoz | gothtec: in my case, i just configure it to connect to the AP without the need of scanning. try to use wavemon and check if it can get signals |
| 16:35.05 | grigora | does crypt have an 8 character limit? |
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| 16:35.14 | asg | aztec: well, you could look at pam_chroot as furrywolf said, or grsecurity patches + conservative permissions, or even full blown UML virtual machines. |
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| 16:35.18 | greycat | grigora: for DES hashes, yes. only 8 significant characters. |
| 16:35.24 | valdyn | gothtec: did you set eth0 to monitor mode first? |
| 16:35.29 | greycat | grigora: for MD5 or Twofish or whatever, it's higher... |
| 16:35.29 | iq | hi everyone |
| 16:35.37 | kart_ | iq: hi |
| 16:35.48 | grigora | greycat: thanks |
| 16:36.01 | greycat | oops, Blowfish, not Twofish. And that's only on OpenBSD. |
| 16:36.14 | grigora | greycat: what about SHA1? |
| 16:36.19 | gothtec | valdyn: i don't know how to do that |
| 16:36.28 | furrywolf | I just wanted to make it a bit harder for non-friends I have to deal with IRL to see any of the other things I run on the box. :) |
| 16:36.29 | iq | Is it possible to ping on a specific port? Like I want to ping on port 8080 of a machine. Or just send data on that port to see if it is going through. |
| 16:36.32 | greycat | I'm not aware of any crypt(3) that has SHA1 as an option at the moment |
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| 16:36.35 | valdyn | gothtec: iwconfig eth0 mode monitor |
| 16:36.43 | furrywolf | iq: tcptraceroute can do that |
| 16:36.54 | grigora | greycat: right, but htpasswd does ;) |
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| 16:37.13 | kooldeb | hey guys, I installed netscape, but the fints and layout is messed up (very very small) , I did change the settings for it, but its not taking efects. |
| 16:37.14 | greycat | iq: or hping2 |
| 16:37.18 | xoz | gothtec: read the docs in wireless-tools. it's quiet complicated to help you without knowing the basics. |
| 16:37.19 | simba_ | hello everybody |
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| 16:37.33 | aztec | asg and furrywolf: thanks will look into that |
| 16:37.36 | scorphus | since last dist-upgrade my pppoe stopped working, it is set up on /etc/network/interfaces but plog tells me that network or interface is down, can someone please help |
| 16:37.39 | gothtec | valdyn: Error for wireless request "Set Mode" (8B06) : SET failed on device eth0; invalid argument. |
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| 16:38.23 | ludi | greycat: It's already commented out. But it says that this is the default on Debian anyway. |
| 16:38.53 | valdyn | gothtec: which is your hardware / driver ? |
| 16:38.58 | iq | furrywolf, greycat: I'll have to install it, right? |
| 16:39.00 | xoz | gothtec: mine says it doesnt support scanning but i can connect. apparently, scanning is not yet a supported feature but it should work if you know how to configure it. follow the steps in the docs of wireless-tools and don't expect miracles here by asking quesitions with no directions. |
| 16:39.14 | valdyn | gothtec: looks to me like theres several userspace interfaces for wireless, i dont know much about that though |
| 16:39.18 | ludi | greycat: #In past versions of Debian this has been the default. |
| 16:39.18 | ludi | # ALL: PARANOID |
| 16:39.27 | valdyn | gothtec: ( depending on what driver you use ) |
| 16:39.35 | greycat | ludi: what is the actual problem? |
| 16:40.02 | gothtec | valdyn: 0000:02:04.0 Network controller: Intersil Corporation Prism 2.5 Wavelan chipset (rev 01). I've got orinoco and orinoco_pci loaded for it |
| 16:40.06 | Fo | fuuuuuuuuck, im loging and loging off from few users, and they are "still" logged in :D INSANE !!! nothing else but reboot 0_o |
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| 16:40.08 | ludi | greycat: I have an ssh server running. I can ssh into it from the server itself, but not from any other computer on the LAN. |
| 16:40.10 | jcuk | wish i had a couple more machines to play with networking linux |
| 16:40.19 | greycat | ludi: what's the symptom? |
| 16:40.22 | gothtec | xoz: what if I tried those other drivers? hostap? maybe they can scan for me |
| 16:40.22 | ludi | greycat: On all other computers on the LAN, I get "access denied" error. |
| 16:40.24 | valdyn | gothtec: ok, i might have found your problem, try apt-get install linux-wlan-ng |
| 16:40.26 | greycat | ludi: what happens when you try? what does the logfile say? |
| 16:40.32 | gothtec | valdyn: already installed |
| 16:40.35 | greycat | ludi: did you try running sshd in debug mode? |
| 16:40.46 | Floxxx | nope |
| 16:40.48 | Floxxx | :) |
| 16:40.51 | valdyn | gothtec: use them, not wireless-tools |
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| 16:40.59 | ludi | greycat: Yes I did but I couldn't interpret the console output |
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| 16:41.00 | greycat | "access denied" is NOT a useful error message. |
| 16:41.12 | xoz | gothtec: you need to set the ESSID and other stuffs. my advice is read the basics. configuring wireless in linux has no shorcuts. |
| 16:41.31 | ludi | greycat: What is the command to run sshd with debug output? |
| 16:41.36 | greycat | !debug sshd |
| 16:41.36 | dpkg | To debug sshd (server), run this as root on the server: "sshd -d -p 2222". Then use "ssh -p 2222 username@servername" on the client. |
| 16:41.53 | xoz | gothtec: i heard ubuntu detects and configures wireless during install. you might try there livecd and check the configuration of wireless |
| 16:41.58 | valdyn | gothtec: i ahve to read into it myself.. |
| 16:42.06 | ludi | isn't default ssh port 21? |
| 16:42.11 | asg | ludi: no |
| 16:42.15 | spo0nman | anyone used xvfb? |
| 16:42.19 | greycat | ludi: grep 21 /etc/services |
| 16:42.25 | ludi | 22 |
| 16:42.40 | yodas | hi, i have a question. i have debian sid and wanted to install wine with apt. but if install it and want to start it, there ever is an error message: "wine: error while loading shared libraries: libntdll.so: cannot open shared object file: No such file or directory". i've searched this libntdll.so but i dont have it. what must i do to run wine correctly. (sorry, my english isnt very good) |
| 16:42.53 | valdyn | gothtec: still I think you just need to use the other set of wireless tools |
| 16:42.58 | greycat | !find libntdll.so sarge |
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| 16:43.19 | dpkg | Debian Package/File/Desc Search of 'libntdll.so' returned no results. |
| 16:43.24 | gothtec | valdyn: i use linux-wlan-ng, i need the modules, right? linux-wlan-ng-modules-2.6.10 in my case.. looking for that now |
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| 16:43.38 | valdyn | gothtec: you already have drivers installed i think.. |
| 16:43.40 | ludi | greycat: how can I paste the log output so we can read it? |
| 16:43.47 | gothtec | valdyn: that's TO use this, I need that |
| 16:43.50 | furrywolf | !paste |
| 16:43.50 | dpkg | it has been said that paste is Do not paste into the channel. Use #flood , visit http://channels.debian.net/paste/ , or try /msg paster help. don't eat this stuff |
| 16:43.59 | gothtec | valdyn: what are the modules called? |
| 16:44.03 | glorioso | did any one as already install JMF in Debian ??? |
| 16:44.30 | glorioso | i am having this error during install http://eugeneciurana.com/pastebin/pastebin.php?show=6504 |
| 16:44.43 | paster | "ludi" at 69.109.109.72 pasted "sshd output" (31 lines) at http://channels.debian.net/paste/60 |
| 16:45.04 | ludi | greycat: http://channels.debian.net/paste/60 |
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| 16:45.19 | valdyn | gothtec: i have no idea how the modules are called, just try first : "wlancfg show all" |
| 16:45.29 | ruied | I need to install firefoxx, thundirbird and skype on debian 3rc2 but it lacks lot of librarys that doesn't exist in apt. What can I do? |
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| 16:45.42 | tuxyRochefort | hi |
| 16:45.52 | greycat | ludi: it says failed password. |
| 16:45.53 | glorioso | any ideias ??? |
| 16:45.57 | ludi | greycat: I know |
| 16:46.02 | ludi | greycat: but the password IS correct |
| 16:46.08 | greycat | ludi: caps lock key? |
| 16:46.12 | ludi | greycat: nope |
| 16:46.21 | alex_ | how can I prevent my cron commands to output their result in the auth.log files ? I have a cron every 60s and this is poluating my auth.log |
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| 16:46.29 | greycat | ludi: is joseph a UID=0 user? |
| 16:46.37 | ludi | greycat: how do I tell? |
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| 16:46.48 | ludi | greycat: all users can't login |
| 16:46.52 | tuxyRochefort | i'd like to know wich wich software i could record a video file from a quickcam messenger (webcam) ? |
| 16:46.53 | greycat | ludi: grep ^joseph: /etc/passwd |
| 16:46.55 | tarzeau | abrotman: PING! |
| 16:46.58 | asg | alex_: redirect the job's stdout/stderr to /dev/null (or some other logfile) |
| 16:47.22 | ruied | How can I move from woody to sid? In seed there is a mozilla-firefox apt. do I need to move to sid? |
| 16:47.27 | alex_ | asg in my cron.d/file ? |
| 16:47.31 | ruied | in sid... |
| 16:47.32 | greycat | ruied: go to sarge, not sid. |
| 16:47.33 | asg | ruied: no, use sarge (/msg dpkg d-i) |
| 16:47.36 | greycat | ruied: /msg dpkg woody->sarge |
| 16:47.55 | asg | alex_: yes, just make sure that any output it generates goes to /dev/null |
| 16:48.06 | alex_ | asg, okay thanks |
| 16:48.13 | asg | alex_: of course, if it runs a command that logs to syslog internally, that won't work |
| 16:48.18 | ludi | greycat: no I'm not UID=0 |
| 16:48.37 | outlier | I'm building a box for my 7-year old, and have some AMD64 parts to do it with. Can anyone comment on using Sarge + Deb Jr +/- Wine in this situation? |
| 16:48.39 | gothtec | valdyn: no such device |
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| 16:48.41 | greycat | ludi: you claim that the same username and password works fine if you connect from 127.0.0.1? |
| 16:49.14 | furrywolf | outlier: your 7 year old doesn't need an amd64 box. send me the parts. :P |
| 16:49.17 | scorphus | I'm having problems with pppoe, It doesn't get properly initialized on boot, not even if I run 'pon dsl-provider'. But when I start pppoeconf and it begins looking for a concentrator on eth0 it makes the eth0 interface up allowing 'pon dsl-provider' to connects normally. What can be wrong? |
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| 16:51.03 | tuxyRochefort | any idea ? how can i record video stream from a webcam ? |
| 16:51.11 | aztec | exit |
| 16:51.17 | alex_ | asg, should I just add '>> /dev/null' at the end of my command ? |
| 16:51.21 | tarzeau | tuxyRochefort: with xvidcap |
| 16:51.31 | asg | alex_: no, >& /dev/null |
| 16:51.34 | tarzeau | tuxyRochefort: it's stuck in debian new queue (of course i've got my own build) |
| 16:51.43 | greycat | asg: bad habit. that's bash specific syntax. |
| 16:51.56 | greycat | alex_: >/dev/null 2>&1 is the most portable. |
| 16:51.59 | alex_ | ah so ? |
| 16:52.04 | alex_ | ok |
| 16:52.13 | greycat | scorphus: your question is showing up. |
| 16:52.13 | asg | greycat: it is, agreed |
| 16:52.14 | McKillroy | Which packages should be installed for a minimalistic X-System (over ssh tunnel) which allows convenient remote system administration ? |
| 16:52.18 | furrywolf | scorphus: that's because we can't see anything you type. |
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| 16:52.34 | greycat | McKillroy: /msg dpkg sshx |
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| 16:52.42 | McKillroy | TX |
| 16:52.53 | scorphus | furrywolf: why not? |
| 16:53.24 | K_Dallas | Hi guys! I just configured my pppoe connection but it seems the connections drops after a while. Looked into the dsl-provider and the idle line is commented. Anything else I could do to make the connection stay on? Thanks |
| 16:53.34 | outlier | furrywolf: I'm upgrading my own, and he's getting some nice hand-me-downs. |
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| 16:54.09 | furrywolf | outlier: I'd say nice. fastest box I own is a pentium 3... |
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| 16:54.30 | K_Dallas | BTW, I had a problem with a secondary cursor in the middle of my desktop which I asked a round yesterday, here is a link to its solution in ase anyone interested: |
| 16:54.32 | K_Dallas | http://www.ubuntulinux.org/support/documentation/faq/hwcursor |
| 16:54.35 | tuxyRochefort | tarzeau, it's not video of my desktop that i want, it's video from a webcam (quickcam express) |
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| 16:54.45 | outlier | furrywolf: I feel your pain. |
| 16:55.08 | gothtec | Where can I get linux-wlan-ng-modules-2.6.10-fooooooo? |
| 16:55.29 | furrywolf | outlier: want my mailing address? :) |
| 16:55.40 | jrasmussen0 | How can I forward udp port 7354 through a debian firewall? I have squid proxy and ssh available to tunnel. |
| 16:56.24 | LoRez | jrasmussen0: firewall running nat? |
| 16:56.48 | outlier | furrywolf: not really, no. |
| 16:57.04 | furrywolf | bah. :P |
| 16:57.16 | outlier | Seriously, is debian on AMD64 stable enough to 'just work' or should I be looking to ubuntu or something? |
| 16:57.36 | asg | outlier: you might ask #debian-amd64 also |
| 16:57.41 | Rydekull | dpkg: debian-amd64 |
| 16:57.42 | jrasmussen0 | gothtec: You can try either download the original source, but they say that 2.6 support is still in beta. If that works, you can try to use apt-src to build the package for the kernel you are running. |
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| 16:58.07 | alex_ | Edgan: how can I know what daemon writes the log on my machine ? |
| 16:58.12 | greycat | Rydekull: /msg dpkg amd64 |
| 16:58.15 | outlier | asg: Oh. Sorry guys. |
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| 16:58.21 | jrasmussen0 | LoRez: Yup, I have nat running. I'd like to not touch my firewall settings. |
| 16:58.23 | Rydekull | greycat: ahh :) |
| 16:58.38 | LoRez | jrasmussen0: well, too bad. add a DNAT entry and you're done. |
| 16:58.47 | FieldySnuts | do you have forwarding enabled however ... find /proc | grep forward | xargs cat |
| 16:59.05 | alex_ | how can I know what daemon writes the log on my machine ? |
| 16:59.11 | alex_ | not intended to Edgan |
| 16:59.14 | K_Dallas | Q2: how can I activate/deactivate certain services whenever I want not just at the boot? thanks |
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| 16:59.32 | greycat | alex_: which log? |
| 16:59.40 | xoz | gothtec: orinoco_pci works and much easier to configure than the other options. if you want the hardway, good luck. ive been configuring wireless for 2 years now and orinoco is the easiest way to go. |
| 16:59.41 | asg | K_Dallas: /etc/init.d/<foo> start|stop |
| 16:59.43 | jrasmussen0 | LoRez: That would only get me inbound traffic, right? I just need outbound traffic on udp. I don't think that I can tunnel udp through ssh. |
| 16:59.49 | greycat | K_Dallas: /etc/init.d/foo {start,stop,restart,reload} |
| 16:59.55 | K_Dallas | thanks asg |
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| 17:00.00 | K_Dallas | and greycat |
| 17:00.10 | alex_ | greycat: the logs in general |
| 17:00.12 | LoRez | jrasmussen0: outbound traffic would just pass your NAT |
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| 17:00.26 | xoz | it's not the driver problem. it's *you* |
| 17:00.45 | scorphus | greycat: do you have any idea about the problem I'm having with pppoe? any hint, documentation or so? |
| 17:00.54 | gothtec | xoz: I'm going to use this to connect to several different AP's, and I don't know the configurations I need for each one. I just want to be able to walk to somewhere and scan for a network I can use |
| 17:01.04 | greycat | alex_: man syslog.conf |
| 17:01.04 | asg | alex_: the daemon's name is usually after the hostname |
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| 17:01.47 | xoz | gothtec: if you follow the configuration... it has the option to autoconnect to any available AP. you are just too *lazy* to read the docs |
| 17:01.53 | LoRez | scorphus: it's well documented that you need to "ifconfig $interface up" before attempting to pppoe |
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| 17:02.25 | gothtec | xos: I am getting so many different answers here. The docs for what, exactly? |
| 17:02.28 | cuse | Hi! Can I reinstall ALL my installed packages conveniently? It seems my systems is messed up somehow |
| 17:02.37 | xoz | gothtec: wireless-tools |
| 17:02.40 | asg | !reinstall |
| 17:02.40 | dpkg | it has been said that reinstall is COLUMNS=200 dpkg -l | awk '/^[hi]i/{print $2}' | xargs apt-get --reinstall install |
| 17:02.45 | scorphus | LoRez: so what do I place on interfaces? inet eth0 inet ppp? |
| 17:02.48 | xoz | gothtec: and configure your networking for dhcp |
| 17:02.56 | jrasmussen0 | LoRez: Yeah, but I'm behind two gateways before I get to the Linux firewall. Up until now, I have been using a proxy and ssh tunneling. |
| 17:03.20 | gothtec | xoz: no manual entry for wireless-tools. damn this makes me feel stupid :( |
| 17:03.20 | greycat | LoRez: I think sarge no longer requires the explicit "ifconfig ... up" |
| 17:03.25 | greycat | LoRez: but I *might* be wrong. |
| 17:03.31 | LoRez | greycat: that would be nice |
| 17:03.40 | xoz | gothtec: /usr/share/doc/wireless-tools/readme.debian |
| 17:03.40 | caphuso | greycat: wrong |
| 17:03.40 | emfpilot | Hello all. I have a very stupid question, but I'm gonna ask it anyway :) I'm wondering if there is feature built-in to pop3 that would bounce back and email with an attachment over say 6 mb? any help appreciated. |
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| 17:03.59 | gothtec | xoz: things are already set up for dhcp. I'm using it on my wired card |
| 17:04.00 | FieldySnuts | that's not pop3's job |
| 17:04.01 | asg | emfpilot: that's the job of your mta |
| 17:04.04 | caphuso | greycat: it used to not, but the patch doing the automatic ifconfig foo up was removed |
| 17:04.13 | greycat | caphuso: why? |
| 17:04.23 | caphuso | * Removed patch 057_pppoe-interface-change which was refused by the upstream maintainer. Now users must arrange for the ethernet interface used for PPPoE to be up. |
| 17:04.36 | FieldySnuts | weak |
| 17:04.37 | xoz | gothtec: dhcp for wirelss. |
| 17:04.57 | emfpilot | asg: do you have a link where I can read up on this? I couldn't find any decent links.. |
| 17:05.13 | asg | emfpilot: what mta do you use? |
| 17:05.17 | caphuso | that happened in ppp 2.4.3-20041231+3, which hit sarge not too long ago |
| 17:05.19 | si|vercat | can I start an X-session to my pc from a remote computer? |
| 17:05.25 | xoz | gothtec: and install switchconf ... so that you can switch network anytime |
| 17:05.54 | asg | emfpilot: /msg dpkg mail tutorial |
| 17:05.54 | greycat | caphuso: well, I'm bloody glad that particular laptop was installed while it was "broken", then! |
| 17:05.54 | emfpilot | this is a project for my company I'm looking into. all I know thus far is we run pop3 on solairs 8 :| |
| 17:06.04 | LoRez | jrasmussen0: that also shouldn't matter, unless you're asking something other than what you're meaning |
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| 17:06.11 | asg | emfpilot: ewww, probably running sendmail then |
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| 17:06.18 | FieldySnuts | @fuck sendmail |
| 17:06.20 | emfpilot | lol |
| 17:06.21 | gothtec | xoz: on my previous install, I just used dhclient for my wireless card |
| 17:06.34 | greycat | caphuso: but this leaves 2 questions: 1) why did upstream refuse it? and 2) why did upstream's refusal mean the Debian maintainer had to remove it? |
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| 17:06.40 | scorphus | LoRez: then _please_ point me to the right documentation |
| 17:06.52 | asg | emfpilot: look into running postfix or exim + courier-imapd/pop3d on a Debian box. Work will love you for it and give you cookies. |
| 17:06.54 | caphuso | greycat: 1) no idea and 2) probably because he didn't want to maintain it himself |
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| 17:07.07 | xoz | gothtec: what i mean is configure /etc/network/interfaces to use dhcp for wireless... of course it will call dhclient |
| 17:07.30 | xoz | gothtec: just read the readme in the wireless tools and ask questions later |
| 17:07.38 | greycat | emfpilot: explain to me why #debian is the right place to ask about sendmail on solaris8? |
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| 17:07.44 | BleSS | how configure the keyboard with evdev? |
| 17:07.52 | emfpilot | asg: I wish it was that easy, I really do love cookies! but thx anyway |
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| 17:08.20 | emfpilot | greycat: no need to be a dick, I know mpst of you know your chit, hence I asked here |
| 17:08.30 | FieldySnuts | now who's being a dick. |
| 17:08.32 | xoz | can't we program a bot to filter non-debian users? |
| 17:08.43 | xoz | s/filter/kick |
| 17:08.51 | asg | xoz: greycat wouldn't be able to connect from work then |
| 17:08.56 | alex_ | if I change something in /etc/syslog.conf such as the path for the output of my crons, should I restart something ? |
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| 17:09.06 | green_earz | emfpilot: here a intro howto for postfix mta > it may be of use > http://www.linux.org/lessons/interm/x1873.html |
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| 17:09.38 | xoz | asg: ah, redhat user ;) |
| 17:09.50 | asg | xoz: mah |
| 17:09.56 | asg | s/m/n/ |
| 17:10.11 | daffy-pkf | lo |
| 17:10.13 | greycat | xoz: nope. |
| 17:10.28 | FieldySnuts | i can't see him being caught on a redshit box, much less being paid while doing so |
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| 17:10.44 | xoz | we have debhelper, we should have debkicker |
| 17:10.44 | greycat | FieldySnuts: we have 2 red hat boxes here, but I don't use one on my *desk* |
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| 17:12.10 | s-ndh-c_ | fuck, still no luck, there realy is no hd* in /dev, how can the kernelk mount my root partition then? |
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| 17:12.30 | greycat | s-ndh-c_: is this a d-i shell? |
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| 17:12.38 | cadu | hello! anyone knows what font packages are needed to display Japanese properly on X ? (webpages...firefox...etc) |
| 17:12.49 | Rydekull | greycat: to protect lusers a little? |
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| 17:13.03 | greycat | Rydekull: one of those stupid "security by obscurity" things? |
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| 17:13.50 | ruied | what is the main difference betwean woody and sarge, what do they focus? |
| 17:13.51 | Rydekull | greycat: i'd assume to protect if someone is using a old kernel unpatched :P |
| 17:13.59 | s-ndh-c_ | greycat: it still says there is no /dev/hda1(my boot) and fails with fschk |
| 17:14.07 | xoz | cadu: have you tried changing encoding to jp-jis,etc. |
| 17:14.10 | greycat | Rydekull: hell, if anyone here can exploit my HP-UX 10.20 box that's inside a NAT whose visible IP address isn't the one you see on /whois greycat, I'd like to meet him/her. |
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| 17:14.33 | Rydekull | greycat: hehe |
| 17:14.40 | s-ndh-c_ | but my root is mounted, and i can mount my boot partition with /dev/discs/disc0/part1 but there should be hda1 or not? |
| 17:15.09 | si|vercat | greycat: I hear professional german hackers have no problems with firewalls and routers .P |
| 17:15.13 | cadu | xoz: well....i'm trying on wikipedia (unicode) |
| 17:15.16 | s-ndh-c_ | i have devfs in the kernel, i just dont get why its not working |
| 17:15.21 | jethro | greycat: if the nat allows everything it, and the exploit involves a buffer/heap overflow, you can easily have the shellcode to connect back to some public IP address |
| 17:15.30 | Rydekull | greycat: heck, im sure this guy can http://slashdot.org/comments.pl?sid=147501&threshold=1&commentsort=0&tid=133&tid=172&mode=thread&cid=12357985 |
| 17:15.31 | jethro | s/it/out/ |
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| 17:15.44 | Rydekull | greycat: he looks very dangerous |
| 17:15.47 | asg | Rydekull: that the localhost moron? |
| 17:15.51 | Rydekull | asg: yeah |
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| 17:16.02 | alex_ | ok guys, I have added what you told me to add at the end of my cron command in one of my cron.d file but still I got an output from this job every 60s in auth.log |
| 17:16.04 | jethro | greycat: now, exploiting that on HP-UX involves that you're not one of the script kiddies around :) |
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| 17:16.13 | alex_ | Apr 28 18:16:01 dimitri PAM_unix[23140]: (cron) session closed for user list |
| 17:16.21 | alex_ | Apr 28 18:16:01 dimitri PAM_unix[23140]: (cron) session opened for user list |
| 17:16.22 | greycat | alex_: of course you do. |
| 17:16.28 | xoz | cadu: japs charaecters support 3 or 4 encoding and you have to do trial and error for each site. shif-jis and euc-jp are the common ones |
| 17:16.28 | greycat | alex_: what's the problem? |
| 17:16.33 | asg | alex_: that's cron logging what cron is doing. |
| 17:16.47 | alex_ | greycat: that from PAM and not directly from cron isn' t it ? |
| 17:16.55 | cadu | xoz: hmmmm....why it works fine on firefox/windows ? |
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| 17:17.27 | greycat | alex_: what's the problem, again? |
| 17:17.29 | jcuk | si|vercat i hear a german hacker deleted his own hd. |
| 17:17.30 | mck | Sorry for stupid question: How do I get a list of currently installed packages ? |
| 17:17.34 | alex_ | greycat: the problem is that this cron job poluate my auth.log as it adds a lines every 60s then it make controlling auth.log difficult |
| 17:17.34 | greycat | !faq mck |
| 17:17.35 | dpkg | mck: http://www.linuks.mine.nu/debian-faq-wiki/ |
| 17:17.41 | greycat | alex_: grep it out. |
| 17:17.46 | si|vercat | jcuk: http://www.totalillusions.net/forum/index.php?showtopic=328 :P |
| 17:17.54 | si|vercat | same as Rydekull posted earlier :p |
| 17:17.56 | cadu | xoz: no man...all encodings are throwing in more garbage.... |
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| 17:18.13 | cadu | the page says "nihongo" ...i'm seeing three hexthings...that's right...three kanji |
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| 17:18.31 | cadu | in shift_jis...euc ...etc they show loads of chars+latin chars...all fucked up |
| 17:18.31 | alex_ | greycat: sure, but is there not a way so that PAM does no record this ? |
| 17:18.33 | xoz | cadu: apt-cache search japanese font |
| 17:18.41 | greycat | alex_: if so, I don't know it. |
| 17:18.48 | mck | greycat: dpkg-l --- Argh ... so simple .. so neat ... banging head on table .... |
| 17:18.57 | greycat | alex_: I'd start with /etc/pam.d/cron though |
| 17:19.10 | alex_ | hmm, okay |
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| 17:19.18 | asg | alex_: iirc, you can pass a 'quiet' option that might work |
| 17:19.48 | FieldySnuts | dpkg: irritate Phated |
| 17:19.48 | dpkg | Phated: wenas who uses dvd lol |
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| 17:19.51 | alex_ | asg but this output comes from PAM right ? |
| 17:20.00 | asg | alex_: looks like it, yes |
| 17:20.03 | FieldySnuts | hehe |
| 17:20.15 | tbasten | anyone had much experience with a dual monitor setup? |
| 17:20.35 | karsten | !irritate Phated |
| 17:20.36 | dpkg | Phated: is there ne1 who cn answer my n00b q? who uses sound kk |
| 17:20.36 | asg | alex_: you could also just ignore it and use swatch or logwatch to digest only important things you need. |
| 17:20.42 | Phated | OY, FUCK OFF. |
| 17:21.02 | abrotman | tarzeau: you went to bed! |
| 17:21.17 | tbasten | anyone? |
| 17:21.32 | tarzeau | abrotman: yeah yesterday |
| 17:21.40 | abrotman | heh |
| 17:21.42 | tarzeau | abrotman: i'm now going to take the bus/tram/train |
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| 17:21.48 | abrotman | tarzeau: home? |
| 17:21.50 | tarzeau | abrotman: let's write the stuff afterwards? |
| 17:21.55 | HobNob | wouldn't it be syslog that is logging the PAM messages> |
| 17:21.58 | tarzeau | abrotman: going there, yea. werk now |
| 17:22.02 | abrotman | tarzeau: ah ok |
| 17:22.11 | HobNob | surely you could edit the syslog.conf |
| 17:22.29 | alex_ | asg: is logwatch a pck ? |
| 17:22.39 | asg | HobNob: I'm sure he'd rather not have all auth.* sent to /dev/null. |
| 17:22.44 | BleSS | how configure the keyboard with evdev in x.org? mouse goes ok, but keyboard fails |
| 17:22.47 | asg | alex_: yes |
| 17:22.50 | mentor | now now children |
| 17:22.52 | HobNob | well you could do auth.none or soemthing |
| 17:22.57 | tbasten | anyone had much experience with a dual monitor setup? |
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| 17:23.15 | simi | hi all |
| 17:23.16 | mentor | !tell tbasten about ask |
| 17:23.18 | tbasten | hey |
| 17:23.25 | asg | HobNob: he could also use syslog-ng and do more granular partitioning |
| 17:23.34 | gothtec | xoz: I've set it up for dhcp. Now what do I do? |
| 17:23.36 | HobNob | indeed |
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| 17:23.57 | tbasten | !tell mentor about being gay |
| 17:24.07 | hacim | is there a noticable difference between Realtek ALC650 and the AC97 chipset? |
| 17:24.14 | simi | i would like to chat somebody |
| 17:24.24 | simi | please write me |
| 17:24.27 | mentor | tbasten: DO NOT be abusive or insulting in here. And you will be quickly removed if you use gay as a perjorative. |
| 17:24.42 | xoz | gothtec: /etc/init.d/networking restart |
| 17:24.56 | asg | simi: in the meantime, try '/msg simi hi' |
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| 17:25.10 | cadu | asg: hah |
| 17:25.14 | cadu | poor simi |
| 17:25.18 | mentor | tbasten: But in reference to your factoid, I was trying to help you get attention faster. |
| 17:25.18 | HobNob | perjorative? |
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| 17:25.29 | asg | HobNob: not nice |
| 17:25.33 | HobNob | is that a word |
| 17:25.36 | asg | HobNob: yes |
| 17:25.36 | tbasten | mentor, hmm, no life = nerds like you who think they are tuff cause they can kick someone out of a channel because they were haven fun. You must of masterbated in school since you couldnt get layed |
| 17:25.37 | HobNob | wow |
| 17:25.38 | mentor | HobNob: Probably spelt wrongly. |
| 17:25.51 | asg | !dict pejorative |
| 17:25.52 | caphuso | pejorative |
| 17:25.53 | dpkg | could not find definition for pejorative |
| 17:25.57 | HobNob | as in the sense of perjury? |
| 17:26.00 | cadu | PER |
| 17:26.08 | tbasten | mentor, go ahead, use my spelling to bag me out |
| 17:26.13 | asg | pejorative |
| 17:26.13 | asg | <PROTECTED> |
| 17:26.13 | asg | <PROTECTED> |
| 17:26.14 | streuner | wtf is 'pejorative? |
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| 17:26.36 | HobNob | it isn't in cambridge dictionary |
| 17:26.38 | cadu | yeah |
| 17:26.48 | cadu | pejorative is like "pejorativo" in portuguese :D |
| 17:26.49 | jc-denton | hey |
| 17:26.50 | mentor | tbasten: Your spelling? |
| 17:26.50 | hacim | is this #english? |
| 17:26.52 | jc-denton | why is nothing broken in sid? |
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| 17:26.54 | FieldySnuts | @lart tbasten |
| 17:26.55 | kuene | i have installed mysql-server-4.1 and restarted apache. but php phpinfo tells me that i have only: Client API version 4.0.24. what do i have to do to let php4 know the current version of mysql? |
| 17:27.05 | daxxar | it's in webster ;P |
| 17:27.10 | mentor | tbasten: This isn't constructive or useful behaviour. Grow up or you will be removed. |
| 17:27.10 | streuner | mentor: maybe its easier to say, shut up? ;-) |
| 17:27.22 | HobNob | or just remove him? |
| 17:27.28 | cadu | cmon remove him |
| 17:27.31 | cadu | the crows is pleading |
| 17:27.32 | FieldySnuts | or spank him with the redneck katana? |
| 17:27.34 | cadu | s/crows/crowd |
| 17:27.35 | danielon | i need help configuring my sendmail |
| 17:27.43 | shingouz | redneck katana? |
| 17:27.53 | tbasten | Sigh**, nerds who get off at kicking people. Get a girl |
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| 17:28.00 | mentor | danielon: Compltetly, unhelpfully I would recommend not using sendmail as an MTA. |
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| 17:28.05 | FieldySnuts | tbasten: oh quit acting like a tough guy, get over it |
| 17:28.06 | danielon | i can't find the way to set virtual domains for my users |
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| 17:28.16 | HobNob | danielon: if you insist on using sendmail (which i wouldn't) www.sendmail.org |
| 17:28.21 | FieldySnuts | you're the kind of man who wears a huuuge belt buckle, becuse you have a small.... |
| 17:28.27 | HobNob | fish? |
| 17:28.35 | mentor | FieldySnuts: Yes yes, that's not particularly helpful either. |
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| 17:28.50 | danielon | thxs |
| 17:29.00 | FieldySnuts | especially since he left before i said that doh |
| 17:29.13 | abrotman | jethro: #samba got it .. using "winbind use default domain" was a bad thing in my situation |
| 17:29.21 | karsten | HobNob: I didn't realize they had a storefront now.... |
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| 17:29.51 | xoz | gothtec: whatever happened to your wireless? |
| 17:30.47 | mentor | FieldySnuts: I think one is probably secure in one's persona to not have to argue with tbasten on his level. |
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| 17:31.20 | karsten | Anyone know if UML can be run via bootp, or suggest a VM type thing (plex86, Xen, etc.) that could be substituted? |
| 17:31.24 | Phated | Oooh damn I missed something good. |
| 17:31.32 | karsten | Phated: You missed *me*? |
| 17:31.40 | *** mode/#debian [+o mentor] by ChanServ |
| 17:31.41 | Phated | No, I said something good. DUH. |
| 17:31.57 | FieldySnuts | Phated: :) |
| 17:32.04 | Phated | FieldySnuts: Hey. |
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| 17:32.09 | karsten | ...Hershey's ... |
| 17:32.11 | *** mode/#debian [+q *!*@SJIP-T-001-pool-126.tmns.net.au] by mentor |
| 17:32.12 | Phated | Dude. Get off. |
| 17:32.15 | karsten | ...and a pillow for good measure. |
| 17:32.16 | shinu | zomg.... debian is installing 0.o |
| 17:32.20 | *** mode/#debian [-o mentor] by ChanServ |
| 17:32.22 | FieldySnuts | Phated: ? |
| 17:32.33 | Phated | Oh hi FieldySnuts. |
| 17:32.34 | FieldySnuts | shinu: lol who uses sound? |
| 17:32.38 | FieldySnuts | Phated: oh thought meant me heh |
| 17:32.47 | Phated | FieldySnuts: Would I call you dude, dude? ;) |
| 17:32.51 | shinu | FieldySnuts: ? |
| 17:32.53 | FieldySnuts | hope not |
| 17:33.06 | asg | mentor: good call |
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| 17:33.23 | asuffield | I think 'get off' is an accurate description of what he was doing |
| 17:33.26 | Phated | !beer mentor |
| 17:33.31 | karsten | asuffield: Point. |
| 17:34.07 | Phated | Ewwie. |
| 17:34.08 | karsten | FieldySnuts: Guilt complex much? |
| 17:34.18 | xoz | Phated: what time is it? |
| 17:34.41 | Phated | 0133 hrs. |
| 17:34.43 | asuffield | flirting time, apparently |
| 17:34.45 | FieldySnuts | karsten: ? |
| 17:34.55 | Phated | Hellloooo asuffield. |
| 17:34.55 | karsten | FieldySnuts: Dude! |
| 17:35.01 | asuffield | Phated: install ntp, bitch |
| 17:35.07 | FieldySnuts | i'm confused |
| 17:35.08 | asuffield | you're a whole minute out |
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| 17:35.12 | xoz | it's time to go to bed. you have classes tom |
| 17:35.17 | FieldySnuts | hey don't call her a bitch |
| 17:35.19 | Phated | Er... No I don't. |
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| 17:36.04 | FieldySnuts | nice nick |
| 17:36.14 | streuner | asuffield: that wasn't ok. |
| 17:36.14 | asg | FieldySnuts: /nick KittyLitter |
| 17:36.22 | FieldySnuts | no thanks |
| 17:37.06 | Phated | Er... "valor of honor"? To say nothing of the spelling, WTF? |
| 17:37.48 | xoz | !dict valor |
| 17:37.49 | dpkg | Dictionary 'valor' (2 of 6): Fear to do base, unworthy things is valor. --B. Jonson. ;; Valor \Val"or\, n. [OE. valour, OF. valor, valur, valour, F. valeur, LL. valor, fr. L. valere to be strong, or worth. See Valiant.] [Written also valour.] 1. Value; worth. [Obs.] ``The valor of a penny.'' --Sir T. More.. |
| 17:37.51 | asg | !qotd114 |
| 17:37.51 | dpkg | it has been said that qotd114 is <troubl1> how do i know if a desktop install with my install of debian ??? <abrotman> troubl1: what is your native language? <troubl1> its supposed to be english lol |
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| 17:38.09 | Phated | Yes, but how does "valor of honor"? |
| 17:38.13 | Phated | work? |
| 17:38.16 | asuffield | it doesn't. it's gibberish |
| 17:38.32 | fulvioo | anyone knows how to remove the files that shows on: "deborphan --find-config"? |
| 17:38.33 | asuffield | --- [xoz] (~xoz@p3207-ipad11souka.saitama.ocn.ne.jp) : xoz |
| 17:38.35 | asuffield | .jp, figures |
| 17:38.37 | Phated | Precisely! |
| 17:38.49 | drac | fulvioo: dpkg --purge package ? |
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| 17:39.03 | streuner | fulvioo: /msg dpkg deborphan |
| 17:39.06 | fulvioo | drac its only config files, the packages were removed |
| 17:39.07 | abrotman | asg: ? |
| 17:39.09 | asuffield | excuse me while I snigger at 'amour' |
| 17:39.10 | Phated | Heheh, someone likes FieldySnuts. |
| 17:39.12 | asg | abrotman: yeah? |
| 17:39.17 | abrotman | asg: why that one ? |
| 17:39.20 | drac | fulvioo: yes, --purge removes config files. |
| 17:39.26 | asg | abrotman: re: spelling / grammer issues |
| 17:39.29 | fulvioo | really? I love you ;D |
| 17:39.30 | abrotman | ah ok |
| 17:39.31 | asg | s/er/ar/ |
| 17:39.48 | karsten | Phated: Actually, I think it's Fieldy likes somebody. |
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| 17:39.53 | fulvioo | drac: even if they were removed already I can do this? |
| 17:39.53 | karsten | asuffield: Intentional. |
| 17:40.00 | xoz | !dict honor |
| 17:40.01 | drac | fulvioo: yes. |
| 17:40.03 | dpkg | Dictionary 'honor' (1 of 36): 2. That which rightfully attracts esteem, respect, or consideration; self-respect; dignity; courage; fidelity; especially, excellence of character; high moral worth; virtue; nobleness; specif., in men, integrity; uprightness; trustworthness; in women, purity; chastity.. |
| 17:40.06 | Gatenhow | hello |
| 17:40.11 | Phated | karsten: I see. |
| 17:40.12 | fulvioo | ill try deborphan --find-config | xargs dpkg --purge -y |
| 17:40.31 | karsten | <PROTECTED> |
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| 17:40.46 | asuffield | it's 'valour' and 'honour' anyway |
| 17:40.55 | kooldeb | I am upgrading to the new 2.6.11 kernel, customized that is, since its the first time I do so under Debian, I wanna make sure I am doing it right: make-kpkg --revision=1:custom.0.0 2.6.11 <-- does that look right ? |
| 17:41.02 | xoz | big fat woman, shut up ;) |
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| 17:41.19 | amichai | what is the debian apt-source? |
| 17:41.21 | Phated | Valour of honour wouldn't work either. |
| 17:41.28 | asg | amichai: apt-setup |
| 17:41.30 | asuffield | sure, it's still gibberish |
| 17:41.36 | karsten | kooldeb: Tinkso. |
| 17:41.37 | Phated | Indeed. |
| 17:41.41 | karsten | kooldeb: == DrD? |
| 17:41.46 | kooldeb | yup :) |
| 17:41.47 | amichai | asg, not using debian |
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| 17:41.54 | asg | amichai: www.debian.org |
| 17:41.56 | xoz | if sleeping late is a way to slim down, can't miss it. |
| 17:41.56 | karsten | kooldeb: Morning ;-) |
| 17:42.02 | drac | kooldeb: make-kpkg kernel_image is quite enough. |
| 17:42.05 | tweak | hi all, I trying to test the stability of a server before I put it up, and memtest 86 3.2 says there are errors on only test 7 all the time. But memtest 86 3.1 doesnt show the errors. Is there any way while in debian to do a system test? Memtest cpu test? torture tests and such? |
| 17:42.11 | kooldeb | karsten: how its going ? |
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| 17:42.53 | karsten | kooldeb: A bit rocky between m'self and reality, but otherwise, swell. |
| 17:42.57 | fulvioo | it works! thanks a million drac ;) |
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| 17:43.37 | xoz | !search google for valor of honor |
| 17:43.41 | dpkg | Google says valor of honor is at http://p209.ezboard.com/fprimusvitaefrm13 or http://www.amazon.com/exec/obidos/tg/detail/-/1572434686?v=glance or http://btobsearch.barnesandnoble.com/booksearch/isbnInquiry.asp?sourceid=00395996645644787198&btob=Y&endeca=1&isbn=1572434686&itm=5 or http://www.militarycity.com/valor/honor.html or http://www.libreriauniversitaria.it/BUS/1591505615/Valor_&_Honor:_Two_Audio_Books__One_Low_Price.htm |
| 17:43.49 | amichai | asg, i'm using ubuntu. my install of debian failed, so i want to do an apt-get in order to get debian, will it work? |
| 17:43.50 | EdibleText | FieldySnuts, heh 'redneck katana..' That was a good read. I thought It couldhave been longer |
| 17:43.57 | xoz | Phated: wanna bet it's grammatically correct. *idiot* |
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| 17:44.12 | streuner | amichai: no, /j #ubuntu |
| 17:44.18 | asg | amichai: you want to use ubuntu to install debian proper? |
| 17:44.19 | greycat | amichai: you'd be better off figuring out why your d-i installation failed. (If you didn't *use* d-i, that's the first problem.) |
| 17:44.21 | Phated | Valour of honour makes no sense. |
| 17:44.32 | amichai | asg, yes |
| 17:44.36 | asuffield | xoz: you will note that none of these results contains the phrase "volor of honor" |
| 17:44.37 | xoz | Phated: check google and correct your grammar |
| 17:44.39 | asuffield | s/vol/val/ |
| 17:44.39 | asg | Phated: Medal of Valour, Medal of Honour |
| 17:44.49 | asg | amichai: see what greycat said |
| 17:44.55 | xoz | asuffield: type valor of honor in google. |
| 17:44.55 | amichai | greycat, i used the netinstall. i dont know man, xfree probs |
| 17:45.02 | kooldeb | I am upgrading to the new 2.6.11 kernel, customized that is, since its the first time I do so under Debian, I wanna make sure I am doing it right: make-kpkg --revision=1:custom.0.0 2.6.11 <-- does that look right ? |
| 17:45.07 | asuffield | indeed, google discarded 'of' and found a bunch of pages which happened to contain the words 'valor' and 'honor' somewhere on the same page |
| 17:45.07 | Phated | Valour of Honour does not fucking work. Medal of (Valour|Honour), yes. Valour of Honour, no. |
| 17:45.20 | greycat | amichai: 1) WHICH net install? 2) what in the bloody fucking hell does X have to do with the installation? |
| 17:45.25 | xoz | asuffield: and which country are you from. by the way, im not japanese |
| 17:45.37 | kooldeb | greycat: are you from UK ? |
| 17:45.42 | greycat | kooldeb: no |
| 17:45.51 | amichai | greycat, from www.debian.com xfree was only one issue |
| 17:45.54 | kooldeb | greycat: ah I noticed the usage of the word bloody |
| 17:45.56 | xoz | asuffield: you better visit your grammar school. |
| 17:45.58 | greycat | !d-i amichai |
| 17:45.59 | dpkg | amichai, you want to go to http://www.debian.org/devel/debian-installer/ - for your own good, and everyone else's. |
| 17:46.04 | amichai | greycat, my log was full of errors |
| 17:46.07 | asg | kooldeb: he's picked it up hanging around us |
| 17:46.13 | greycat | and of course you can't say WHAT the errors are. |
| 17:46.15 | amichai | greycat, thats the one |
| 17:46.27 | greycat | and of course you think X is so fundamental to the OS that if X failed, then your OS installation failed. |
| 17:46.32 | helix | karsten: and velour is the forgettable fabric that its owners usually wore? |
| 17:46.32 | greycat | Damned windows poisoning. |
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| 17:46.50 | karsten | helix: What! |
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| 17:46.53 | asg | helix: pimp his ride |
| 17:46.55 | karsten | helix: Velour is out? |
| 17:47.05 | helix | velour is, unfortunately, back in |
| 17:47.07 | asuffield | karsten: I don't believe it has ever been anywhere else |
| 17:47.08 | amichai | greycat, i spent hours installing it and then i couldnt get x to work, and couldnt figure it out |
| 17:47.13 | greycat | karsten: how about velcro? that's got most of the same letters... |
| 17:47.20 | greycat | amichai: what video card? |
| 17:47.34 | karsten | greycat: The problem with velcro ... |
| 17:47.36 | amichai | greycat, ati |
| 17:47.37 | greycat | (and how do you spend "hours" on a net install, unless you're on dial-up?) |
| 17:47.41 | karsten | greycat: ... as clothing ... |
| 17:47.44 | greycat | oh forget it. |
| 17:47.44 | karsten | greycat: ... is crowds. |
| 17:47.45 | drac | amichai: Your card was working fine, hmm.. yesterday? |
| 17:47.46 | asuffield | greycat: I bet you wear jumpers that look like the fuzzy end of velcro |
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| 17:47.54 | greycat | It's NOT worth the pain of pulling teeth to get answers out of you. |
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| 17:48.13 | karsten | !tell amichai about smart questions. |
| 17:48.21 | greycat | go have fun in #ubuntu. |
| 17:48.28 | greycat | they're nice and round and shiny and dumb. |
| 17:48.33 | FieldySnuts | and quiet. |
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| 17:49.06 | helix | hmm, I should probably just /ignore ubuntu |
| 17:49.20 | helix | well, maybe with a regex |
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| 17:49.37 | Phated | You'd miss the times someone launched off into a long and potentially amusing argument about ubuntu. |
| 17:49.45 | karsten | helix: Try /ignore . |
| 17:49.52 | asuffield | then you might miss all sorts of creative witticisms including the word 'ubuntu' |
| 17:49.54 | helix | I would rather dip my head in a bowl of bleach |
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| 17:50.14 | Phated | See? That could have been "I would rather dip my head in a bowl of crushed ubuntu CDs". |
| 17:50.16 | karsten | helix: Post pics. |
| 17:50.18 | amichai | greycat, u want me to write u a book man? i tried source after source. i only got about 30 to 50 k/b per/sec. then finally i found one that gave me 100kb/p. After all that. I had to get a desktop environment, that took another while. then finally it was all set. my mouse wasnt detected and xfree didnt work. why didnt i come to #debian? i did, no one was answering. So then i had to reinstall ubuntu, cos i need an os for work. |
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| 17:50.33 | amichai | drac, my card works |
| 17:50.44 | amichai | drac, thanx to u man |
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| 17:50.54 | helix | itym "thx 2 u" |
| 17:50.58 | pder | hai dear, help with lunix plz? |
| 17:51.02 | ralf | ubuntu is fine; fine == 'better than mdk' |
| 17:51.11 | amichai | drac, in debian with xfree it kept on shutting down the x |
| 17:51.13 | karsten | !tell pder about ask |
| 17:51.18 | karsten | !tell pder about smart questions |
| 17:51.19 | streuner | ralf: tell that somewhere else |
| 17:51.22 | helix | !tell karsten about wnbt |
| 17:51.23 | stew | karsten: don't bother, he's a regular troll |
| 17:51.25 | greycat | *plonk* |
| 17:51.30 | karsten | stew: kthx |
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| 17:51.38 | drac | amichai: With that card you better use distro with X.Org, and switch to debian when it actually has X.Org. |
| 17:51.43 | drac | amichai: in my opinion. |
| 17:51.47 | greycat | all that hot air and NOT ONE SINGLE DETAIL. |
| 17:51.48 | greycat | My god. |
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| 17:52.09 | helix | greycat: just put him on /ignore ... unless you enjoy having high blood pressure |
| 17:52.13 | directhex | what card? i am the high lord of modern graphics |
| 17:52.17 | amichai | greycat, do u know the deffinition of detail? |
| 17:52.21 | greycat | and the *nerve* of someone bitching about "only" getting 30 kB/s. |
| 17:52.29 | greycat | helix: already done. |
| 17:52.31 | ralf | streuner: why? |
| 17:52.33 | ralf | what's bad in ubuntu? |
| 17:52.34 | amichai | greycat, give me ur deffinition and i'll give u the asnwer u want |
| 17:52.35 | helix | greycat: I do believe you've become too bitter for #debian :) |
| 17:52.36 | karsten | greycat: You're ommitting the minor detail of a language strongly resembling, but entirely different, from English, in that it fills void without content. |
| 17:52.42 | tweak | what is something I can do on my linux box to stress the cpu and memory to see if system is stable? |
| 17:52.43 | ralf | it is a debian with xorg and gnome 2.10 |
| 17:52.43 | stew | amichai: /msg dpkg plonk |
| 17:52.43 | streuner | ralf: troll somewhere else |
| 17:52.49 | greycat | helix: probably right. I've already removed it from irssi's autojoin list. |
| 17:52.50 | ralf | me trolling? |
| 17:52.57 | abrotman | greycat: you konw .. the rest of the world has stopped using ISDN .. you should too :) |
| 17:53.08 | FieldySnuts | tweak: memtest86 for memory testing (give it a half day or so) , as far as cpu i'm not sure. compile openoffice :D |
| 17:53.13 | karsten | amichai: Post meaningful questions, answer questions with specifics, and quit arguing semantics, or find yourself /ignored (or kicked) from channel. |
| 17:53.14 | amichai | greycat, on ubuntu i got 300-400 kb p/s |
| 17:53.16 | ralf | and a nice installer |
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| 17:53.22 | FieldySnuts | amichai: we care? |
| 17:53.29 | greycat | abrotman: if you can't sit there for 5 minutes while it downloads something, then you're probably not going to derive much joy from Linux. |
| 17:53.30 | karsten | ralf: No. |
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| 17:53.47 | abrotman | greycat: i'm kidding .. i used to run sarge off a 33.6k modem :) |
| 17:53.56 | asuffield | the rest of the world stopped using hp-ux, too :P |
| 17:54.01 | abrotman | it took 5-10 just for the packages.gz |
| 17:54.01 | karsten | !tell ralf about installers |
| 17:54.02 | ralf | karsten: no what? |
| 17:54.06 | amichai | karsten, u guys are incredible. |
| 17:54.09 | kooldeb | guys I need little help with the make-kpkg command for making a new kernel (2.6.11) |
| 17:54.13 | abrotman | !u |
| 17:54.13 | dpkg | Damnit Jim! It's YOU. Y-O-U. Not *U*. U is a letter. YOU is a word. See ne1, or wud. Dutch for 'you' (formal singular). See http://ars.userfriendly.org/cartoons/?id=20041201 |
| 17:54.21 | greycat | !tell kooldeb about debian kernel image |
| 17:54.22 | ralf | !no, thanks |
| 17:54.23 | karsten | ralf: No x.org, no gnome 2.10 IIRC. |
| 17:54.26 | tweak | fieldySnuts how do I compile open office? I do memtest but I have a weird problem with it. I think its buggy. I need to just stress the whole system for like a whole day to make sure its fine. |
| 17:54.29 | karsten | amichai: Thanks. |
| 17:54.32 | deadsmith | what's up, kooldeb |
| 17:54.35 | greycat | !alpha |
| 17:54.35 | dpkg | WANTED: loving home for CPU architecture. Alpha is housebroken, and has had all its shots. Friendly, affectionate and energetic! Contact DEC (oops, Compaq! (oops, HP! (oops, the morgue))) for details. #alpha |
| 17:54.46 | asg | hah |
| 17:54.50 | karsten | !tell ralf about topic |
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| 17:54.55 | karsten | !topicsmite ralf |
| 17:54.56 | dpkg | And the wrath of /TOPIC descended with terrible fury upon ralf. And all the people marveled, saying, Behold, we too should read the /TOPIC, lest we be stricken. And all the people read the /TOPIC, and went away edified. |
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| 17:55.25 | abrotman | xoz: future? |
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| 17:55.36 | xoz | abrotman: past? |
| 17:55.39 | abrotman | heh |
| 17:55.46 | asg | pluperfect |
| 17:56.03 | kooldeb | deadsmith: ok , am custom compiling my kernel, its a 2.6.11, I did a menuconfig on the .config, and then did a make kpkg-clean, just want to know a little more on the next step |
| 17:56.16 | karsten | abrotman: scrod? |
| 17:56.16 | amichai | man if this is the attitude of debian then i'll forget debian...its all about the attitude. not meant to all those other users who didnt take part with their primitive comments. |
| 17:56.18 | greycat | pu plux plan |
| 17:56.19 | kooldeb | deadsmith: first time doing so under Debian thats all |
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| 17:56.33 | asg | greycat: pu plux plan 9 |
| 17:56.36 | xoz | abrotman: i like its power in number crunching problems... it has really a good math coprocessor |
| 17:56.41 | abrotman | karsten: fish ? |
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| 17:56.50 | abrotman | xoz: other cpus do also |
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| 17:56.56 | greycat | kooldeb: /msg dpkg kp |
| 17:57.25 | xoz | abrotman: yeah... recently |
| 17:57.27 | karsten | abrotman: You haven't heard the joke then.... |
| 17:57.35 | abrotman | karsten: guess not .. i'm slow |
| 17:57.56 | abrotman | xoz: well .. SPARC isn't too bad .. same with MIPS .. not the same as alpha no .. but s'ok |
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| 17:58.07 | abrotman | xoz: itanium!! |
| 17:58.12 | kooldeb | greycat: yup I read the manual on README.gz, it was helpful, but want to make sure I got things right |
| 17:58.13 | karsten | abrotman: "where can I get scrod in this town" says man to cabbie. |
| 17:58.28 | abrotman | karsten: brothel ? |
| 17:58.40 | karsten | abrotman: Google that 'coz I'll botch it. |
| 17:59.01 | karsten | abrotman: ...but the cabbie says "I've _never_ heard anyone refer to that in the past pluperfect tense before..." |
| 17:59.17 | karsten | kooldeb: Try it. If it breaks, you can keep the pieces ... |
| 17:59.21 | karsten | kooldeb: ...and run it again. |
| 17:59.26 | xoz | abrotman: the floating point... running my progs in alpha, i can easily know if there are errors because it will simply bomb while intel will keep on running with wrong values. |
| 17:59.34 | karsten | kooldeb: /msg dpkg make-kpkg. Ask about the bits you don't get. |
| 17:59.37 | abrotman | karsten: http://www.scrod.net/scrod.html |
| 17:59.50 | karsten | abrotman: Go figah. |
| 17:59.55 | abrotman | xoz: heh .. that's funny |
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| 18:00.03 | abrotman | karsten: hey .. don't you make fun of that great accent :) |
| 18:00.04 | kooldeb | ok: make-kpkg --revision=1:custom.0.0 2.6.11 <-- does that look right ? |
| 18:00.06 | jcuk | http://people.debian.org/~amaya/wallpapers/dsc01074.jpg <--- obsessed. |
| 18:00.14 | karsten | abrotman: http://www.foodbanter.com/q-t_29754-Favourite-Fish.html |
| 18:00.26 | karsten | kooldeb: I think so. Try it ;-) |
| 18:00.37 | xoz | abrotman: linus is now using ppc. maybe, he doesn't trust intel anymore ;) |
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| 18:00.59 | helix | oh jeez, I can't believe she has that in the wallpapers section |
| 18:01.03 | karsten | xoz: s/anymore// |
| 18:01.21 | xoz | heh |
| 18:01.34 | abrotman | xoz: no .. he basically said "Lots of x86 testers .. need more PPC .. and it was free" |
| 18:01.35 | xoz | amd is much better in number crunching |
| 18:01.39 | streuner | http://people.debian.org/~amaya/ <-- haha |
| 18:01.51 | xoz | abrotman: you did your homework |
| 18:02.21 | abrotman | xoz: i suppose |
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| 18:02.26 | xoz | abrotman: but do you think that's the main reason? i doubt. |
| 18:02.29 | streuner | helix: look at the bottom right :-) |
| 18:02.37 | abrotman | xoz: well .. he didn't do it for OSX :) |
| 18:02.46 | cadu | xoz: the problem was that i was using the old xfs...i've installed xfs-xtt and removed xfs.....all japanese nice :D |
| 18:02.46 | greycat | streuner: and she doesn't give a damn |
| 18:02.49 | cadu | but |
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| 18:02.49 | cadu | a issue |
| 18:02.50 | abrotman | streuner: that's the same as the other tattoo |
| 18:02.54 | helix | streuner: yeah, her people.d.o page has been that way for years |
| 18:02.56 | streuner | greycat: why? ;-) |
| 18:03.04 | greycat | streuner: ask her... not me |
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| 18:03.18 | abrotman | helix: does she still sponsor people for NM ? |
| 18:03.18 | cadu | dpkg-reconfigure didn't rewrote my XFConfig automatically changing port to :7110 ...i had to edit it by hand and break up Debian's XFCONFIG-4 edit method... |
| 18:03.28 | streuner | greycat: </rheotric question> ;-) |
| 18:03.30 | abrotman | erm .. maybe i should ask her :) |
| 18:03.31 | xoz | abrotman: but he may have tested OS X... he predicted mac OS to disappear but.... |
| 18:03.32 | cadu | i'll have to do that md5sum thing to get it edited automagically again ;/ |
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| 18:03.41 | K_Dallas | Mplayer: I cannot figure out which package to install, it seems that some of them does not want to resolve their issue with sarge, any help woud be appreciated |
| 18:03.49 | greycat | cadu: I've never wanted d-r to undo my changes to XF86Config-4 |
| 18:03.57 | abrotman | xoz: well .. PPC isn't bad .. but i don't think it is that much better than sparc or mips .. altivec gives it a nice edge though |
| 18:03.59 | cadu | greycat: ok :D |
| 18:04.01 | tweak | anybody know something I can do on my debian box to stress the ram? |
| 18:04.07 | greycat | cadu: in my experience, the life cycle is "install debian, let it generate XF86Config-4, hand edit it, stop" |
| 18:04.10 | cadu | greycat: so it's better to be used only for a kickstart ?? |
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| 18:04.29 | greycat | cadu: your experience may differ, especially if you've never edited XF86Config-4 before |
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| 18:04.42 | karsten | kooldeb: How goes? |
| 18:04.46 | xoz | abrotman: yeah. maybe, because it is designed similar to sparc: RISC vs CISC? |
| 18:04.53 | cadu | greycat: i had in other distros...but i thought the dpkg-reconfigure was the debian way of doing it |
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| 18:05.01 | abrotman | xoz: perhaps .. IBM makes good stuff :) |
| 18:05.08 | greycat | cadu: whatever way gets the job done is the right way |
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| 18:05.20 | kooldeb | streuner: lol where did that chick come from ? |
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| 18:05.23 | cadu | greycat: i thought when i installed the xfs-xtt it would find it and automatically put one the right port on the fresh new xf86config-4 or show me a menu |
| 18:05.31 | kooldeb | karsten: trying :P |
| 18:05.32 | greycat | oh.... fonts.... *shudder* |
| 18:05.33 | cadu | greycat: i thought i could be breaking the debian way :D |
| 18:05.48 | cadu | greycat: i wanted to read japanese...now i can with xfs-xtt |
| 18:05.50 | streuner | kooldeb: no idea who she is |
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| 18:06.07 | greycat | kooldeb: why not read her web page and see? |
| 18:06.08 | cadu | but dpkg-reconfigure should show you a menu "which font server? xfs / xfs-xtt" and write the apropriate port |
| 18:06.13 | karsten | kooldeb: OK. Build should take a bit. Keep us updated. |
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| 18:06.35 | karsten | kooldeb: She's a DD. |
| 18:06.40 | asuffield | she's amaya, what else is there to know? |
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| 18:07.15 | karsten | helix: ...and wait until you've got someone growing inside you, you'll prolly be obsessed too. |
| 18:07.15 | kooldeb | DD is ?? |
| 18:07.29 | streuner | Debian Developer |
| 18:07.30 | abrotman | !dd |
| 18:07.30 | dpkg | rumour has it, dd is man dd or dd if=/foo/vmlinuz of=/dev/fd0 to produce a bootable floppy, or a Debian Developer |
| 18:07.31 | karsten | Oh, wait... |
| 18:07.34 | kevin06 | Hey, I'm looking for an opinion. What is the best iTunes-like program? I want one that rips and organizes like iTunes does. |
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| 18:07.40 | abrotman | karsten: you have someone growing inside of you? |
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| 18:07.54 | directhex | kevin06, you might like amarok |
| 18:07.56 | karsten | abrotman: No. Amaya. |
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| 18:08.02 | abrotman | karsten: what size bra do you wear? :) |
| 18:08.08 | karsten | abrotman: I figured it was a shot of pregnancy. |
| 18:08.08 | kooldeb | karsten: oh I though u were saying double D, I was like hmmmmm |
| 18:08.16 | karsten | helix: I take it back. |
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| 18:08.28 | abrotman | karsten: are you saying she's with child ? |
| 18:08.32 | karsten | abrotman: 56A. |
| 18:08.40 | yang | Does anyone have correctly set up ident? |
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| 18:08.43 | karsten | abrotman: Misinterpreted pic. |
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| 18:08.52 | abrotman | karsten: ah .. ok |
| 18:08.55 | helix | karsten: what are you talking about? |
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| 18:09.05 | greycat | helix: he thought amaya was pregnant |
| 18:09.12 | karsten | helix: Something utterly unrelated to reality, as usual. |
| 18:09.16 | streuner | yang: apt-get install nullidentd - done. |
| 18:09.23 | helix | heh |
| 18:09.27 | yang | streuner: you run nullidentd? |
| 18:09.30 | karsten | helix: Had a half-d/l'd pic of a womans belly w/ hand on it. Assumed pregnant. |
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| 18:09.41 | streuner | yang: yep |
| 18:09.46 | kevin06 | directthex, what license is that released under? |
| 18:09.56 | yang | streuner: ok i am gonna try that, its probably the only one i havent tried |
| 18:10.11 | directhex | kevin06, i have absolutely no idea. something dfsg-compliant |
| 18:10.34 | karsten | helix: Quoting God's Message To His Creation: We apologize for the inconvenience. |
| 18:10.41 | directhex | kevin06, GPL 2 |
| 18:10.48 | apfel | <PROTECTED> |
| 18:10.52 | helix | karsten: I think greycat summed it up a lot better |
| 18:11.14 | _R_R | hello, my collegue uses window$ and outl00k, his outlook pst file exceeded the maximum filesize of 2 Gb... now he has a problem, I want to demonstrate the power of linux and use linux to somehow reduce the size of the pst. I want to try to use readpst for this, is this possible (will readpst remove all e-mail from the pst and leave contacts and calendar alone?) |
| 18:11.31 | karsten | helix: Indeed. |
| 18:11.47 | _R_R | hmm... readpst goes out of memory on the file :( |
| 18:11.48 | kevin06 | directhex, thanks. |
| 18:11.50 | helix | abrotman: anyway, she sponsors uploads and she advocates pretty much anyone |
| 18:11.59 | karsten | _R_R: mount via captive NTFS driver. cat /dev/null > mailbox.pst |
| 18:12.00 | abrotman | helix: gotcha |
| 18:12.16 | helix | abrotman: but she's not an application manager, if that's what you meant |
| 18:12.30 | _R_R | karsten: wouldn't that completely empty the file? |
| 18:12.39 | abrotman | helix: no .. i was just wondering .. if i were ever to get off my lazy bumm :) |
| 18:12.41 | karsten | _R_R: Yes, but it would be smaller ;-) |
| 18:12.56 | _R_R | karsten: :)... |
| 18:13.03 | abrotman | helix: though .. i'd like to get damog to upload the package i made .. instead of his .. his looks unlikely to make it into sarge because of libc versions |
| 18:13.04 | karsten | _R_R: Might try catting the file to readpst if it can read to stdin. That sometimes gets past large file seeks. |
| 18:13.06 | helix | abrotman: did peterS teach you about the subjunctive? |
| 18:13.14 | abrotman | helix: uhm .. no? |
| 18:13.17 | helix | ok |
| 18:13.20 | karsten | _R_R: I'm really not well versed w/ PST file manglement under Linux... |
| 18:13.21 | abrotman | should he? |
| 18:13.27 | helix | did damog have his account created yet? |
| 18:13.31 | helix | which package is this? |
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| 18:13.37 | karsten | _R_R: ...but you could find the developer(s) and ask about LFS (large file support) |
| 18:13.54 | abrotman | helix: it was xchat-systray .. he asked me to try it .. so i did .. but it depends on a different version of libc than i have in sarge .. so likely not going to go in |
| 18:14.19 | helix | ah, I see |
| 18:14.29 | abrotman | helix: nothing horrible .. but a nice little tool nonetheless |
| 18:14.37 | xoz | amaya maintains mencal... so she should now about timing ;) |
| 18:15.00 | karsten | _R_R: Most of the PST conversion I was familiar w/ were based on the Win32 MAPI stuff (Moz used that) which would still have the 2 GB problem. |
| 18:15.09 | abrotman | helix: why would peterS teach me about the subjunctive ? |
| 18:15.31 | _R_R | karsten: readpst doesn't have a stdin option... so it's back to google |
| 18:16.01 | karsten | _R_R: I'm there.... |
| 18:16.03 | greycat | xoz: "She's always on time 'cause the girl's got rhythm" |
| 18:16.11 | karsten | _R_R: http://www.google.com/search?hl=en&lr=&ie=ISO-8859-1&q=readpst+%28%22large+file%22+OR+%222GB%22+OR+%222+GB%22+%29 |
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| 18:16.33 | kooldeb | ok: make-kpkg --revision=1:custom.0.0 2.6.11 : unrecognized option --revision:1:custom:0.0 |
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| 18:17.00 | doub | greycat: girl with rythm... how come i never find those ? ;) |
| 18:17.05 | kooldeb | =1 that was |
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| 18:17.21 | directhex | doub, they're busy developing for debian |
| 18:17.22 | spo0nman | abrotman, if i were to get off my bum, not if i were ever to get off my lazy bum. |
| 18:17.30 | greycat | doub: well, you know the technical name for practitioners of the rhythm method of contraception, right? |
| 18:17.40 | streuner | directhex: haha |
| 18:17.44 | abrotman | spo0nman: no .. my bum is lazy |
| 18:17.46 | asuffield | greycat: 'pregnant'? |
| 18:17.51 | greycat | asuffield: "parents" |
| 18:17.56 | greycat | close, though |
| 18:18.04 | abrotman | i'm not sure what that has to do with subjunctive |
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| 18:18.13 | yang | streuner: I get 20:17 [debian] !irc.debian.org *** Checking ident...but i can come with fake ident on...nullidentd doesnt work |
| 18:18.16 | directhex | abrotman, EVERYTHING. you grammar-deprived fool |
| 18:18.17 | kasper | is there a taglib-config deb or am i missing something. there's a taglib but no taglib-config. and when i /autogen.sh source. it get missing dep. |
| 18:18.19 | greycat | abrotman: http://www.foodbanter.com/q-t_29754-Favourite-Fish.html search for scrod |
| 18:18.44 | abrotman | greycat: yes .. and? |
| 18:18.44 | abrotman | i already saw it |
| 18:18.44 | doub | greycat: i didn't even know the standard name... |
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| 18:18.45 | greycat | doub: there isn't one. it's a joke. |
| 18:18.45 | streuner | yang: how do you connect to i-net? |
| 18:18.47 | doub | greycat: guess so |
| 18:18.50 | abrotman | still doesn't make sense |
| 18:18.52 | abrotman | but oh well |
| 18:18.55 | greycat | abrotman: never mind. |
| 18:19.01 | abrotman | peterS: apparently you need to edumacate me |
| 18:19.03 | streuner | yang: over hardware-router? |
| 18:19.12 | karsten | New data trasnport protocol. "Ben Hur, done that..." http://www.notes.co.il/benbasat/10991.asp |
| 18:19.15 | yang | streuner: I connect from LAN computer 192.168.1.8 |
| 18:19.30 | xoz | !seen PeterS |
| 18:19.31 | dpkg | peters is currently on #debian (15h 59m 14s). Has said a total of 70314 messages. Is idling for 9h 38m 56s |
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| 18:19.42 | streuner | yang: open the port (hardware-router) |
| 18:19.43 | doub | greycat: i'm having in-brains hair grow right now, didn't notice the answer ;) |
| 18:19.54 | greycat | doub: "parents" |
| 18:19.59 | sparr_ | I recently upgraded mozilla-browser package from 1.7.5 to 1.7.7 and now it is blocking my HTTP_REFERRER to many random sites. Why? And how do I fix it? |
| 18:20.12 | abrotman | still not helping |
| 18:20.23 | yang | streuner: uh, which one? |
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| 18:20.45 | tweak | what is glibc? how do I update it? im getting ./mprime: /lib/tls/libc.so.6: version `GLIBC_2.3.4' not found (required by ./mprime) that error. |
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| 18:20.54 | kooldeb | make-kpkg --revision=1:custom.0.0 2.6.11 : unrecognized option --revision:1custom:0.0 anyone knows why ? |
| 18:20.58 | streuner | yang: 113 to your client |
| 18:21.00 | karsten | greycat: More specifically, "mothers". |
| 18:21.01 | greycat | tweak: recompile it with debian's libcs. |
| 18:21.03 | greycat | libs. |
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| 18:21.17 | tweak | arg I have to recompile? I will just do a fresh install. |
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| 18:21.24 | tweak | there isnt an apt-get ? |
| 18:21.25 | greycat | karsten: I think it's one of those "both people are participants together" sort of things. |
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| 18:21.34 | yang | streuner: so i shall forward 113 on to 192.168.1.8 from gateway? |
| 18:21.38 | greycat | tweak: "fresh install" of what? |
| 18:21.39 | _R_R | anyone knows how to import a pst file into korganizer (or any other linux calendar appl)? |
| 18:21.42 | greycat | tweak: what are you TALKING about? |
| 18:21.44 | tweak | greycat debian. |
| 18:21.46 | streuner | yang: yep |
| 18:21.53 | doub | greycat: well, i saw it. anyway, over and clear. ;) |
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| 18:22.01 | tweak | greycat, I talking about what I said 45 seconds ago. that you responded to. |
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| 18:22.11 | greycat | tweak: why the FUCK would that magically make your BINARY APPLICATION suddenly behave differently when it's clearly been built for a NEWER LIBC than what's in Debian? |
| 18:22.22 | greycat | tweak: the right answer is to rebuild the binary application against the OLDER libraries. |
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| 18:22.33 | greycat | tweak: and smite whoever built it on some bleeding edge gentoo system |
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| 18:22.35 | abrotman | or use that LIBC_ASSUME thing ? |
| 18:22.38 | abrotman | or whatever it is |
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| 18:22.49 | tweak | greycat well clearly I have no clue what im doing. How do I know what version is in debian. I thought we had version 3.3.4 gcc version. |
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| 18:22.58 | abrotman | fradia: use a / |
| 18:23.00 | greycat | tweak: just recompile the damned source code already. |
| 18:23.05 | tweak | greycat, so I just downloaded a bad version? |
| 18:23.06 | spo0nman | is there any way to make uml boot into a kernel other than the running one? |
| 18:23.08 | abrotman | what is mprime ? |
| 18:23.09 | karsten | greycat: Yeah, but one of them ultimately labors under the misconception, so to speak. |
| 18:23.11 | tweak | greycat how do I do this? |
| 18:23.14 | greycat | tweak: if you don't have the source code, bitch at the author to build it on an older system. |
| 18:23.25 | tweak | mprime is prime95 (cpu / ram tortcher tests) |
| 18:23.38 | tweak | greycat, I think I will just download an older version. Thanks. |
| 18:23.39 | kooldeb | make-kpkg --revision=1:custom.0.0 2.6.11 : unrecognized option --revision:1custom:0.0 anyone knows why ? |
| 18:23.40 | greycat | !find mprime |
| 18:23.47 | sussudio | !spell tortcher |
| 18:23.47 | dpkg | Debian Search of 'mprime' (1): (/usr/share/calc/randmprime.cal) in math/apcalc-common. |
| 18:23.48 | dpkg | no binary found. |
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| 18:23.52 | greycat | !find primt95 |
| 18:23.53 | drac | kooldeb: I allready told you, you only need 'make-kpkg kernel_image' |
| 18:23.55 | sussudio | o_o |
| 18:23.58 | greycat | sussudio: torture of course. |
| 18:24.01 | dpkg | Debian Package/File/Desc Search of 'primt95' returned no results. |
| 18:24.02 | greycat | !find prime95 |
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| 18:24.06 | sussudio | greycat: yes. |
| 18:24.11 | dpkg | Debian Package/File/Desc Search of 'prime95' returned no results. |
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| 18:24.15 | tweak | !find prime95 |
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| 18:24.17 | karsten | kooldeb: What drac said. Try that. |
| 18:24.23 | dpkg | Debian Package/File/Desc Search of 'prime95' returned no results. |
| 18:24.25 | greycat | it's *so* typical, though. the ones who are bad at computing are also bad at spelling. |
| 18:24.25 | xoz | kooldeb: use of colon? |
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| 18:24.58 | abrotman | tortcher? |
| 18:25.04 | abrotman | how about burncpu ? |
| 18:25.04 | tweak | greycat there we go. I just downloaded the not newest version. |
| 18:25.07 | tweak | greycat thanks. |
| 18:25.28 | kooldeb | xoz: yup, got it :) |
| 18:25.36 | karsten | kooldeb: Read: http://www.debian.org/doc/manuals/reference/ch-kernel.en.html |
| 18:25.42 | kooldeb | its working |
| 18:25.58 | xoz | greycat: i have japanese friends who are good in bsd stuffs but can't spell english words correctly. does that count ? |
| 18:26.20 | kooldeb | make-kpkg --revision=1:custom.0.0 kernel_image <-- this one works |
| 18:26.26 | karsten | abrotman: Who's torturing? |
| 18:26.27 | greycat | xoz: not sure. asian languages are so different. |
| 18:26.34 | karsten | kooldeb: OK, roll with it ;-) |
| 18:26.36 | abrotman | karsten: tweak .. bad spelling :) |
| 18:26.40 | karsten | abrotman: Dig. |
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| 18:26.54 | abrotman | karsten: right on man |
| 18:26.55 | jhares | pls where i can find "service" (instead /etc/init.d/./apache2 restart -- service apache2 restart) |
| 18:27.06 | K_Dallas | Mplayer: I cannot figure out which package to install, it seems that some of them does not want to resolve their issue with sarge, any help woud be appreciated |
| 18:27.13 | greycat | jhares: /etc/init.d/foo restart |
| 18:27.20 | xoz | greycat: yeah. for native speakers, that may be true 80% |
| 18:27.20 | abrotman | greycat: instead of that |
| 18:27.25 | abrotman | !find bin/service |
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| 18:27.32 | abrotman | oh .. this is probably bad |
| 18:27.32 | dpkg | Debian Search of 'bin/service' (2): (/usr/sbin/service) in admin/sysvconfig ;; (/usr/share/doc/python2.3-nevow/examples/pastebin/pastebin/service.py) in devel/python2.3-nevow. |
| 18:27.36 | greycat | jhares: service() { s=$1; shift; /etc/init.d/"$s" "$@"; } |
| 18:27.37 | abrotman | yay |
| 18:27.39 | abrotman | for lazy people |
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| 18:27.47 | karsten | tweak: There's also the Cerberus Test Control System (GIYF) which will hammer on a server. VA used to use this to burn in their systems. |
| 18:27.48 | greycat | maybe you want a "local s" too. if you're pedantic. |
| 18:27.59 | karsten | tweak: Friend who now does superclusters strongly recommends it. |
| 18:27.59 | yang | streuner: ok, thanks a lot that helped! I just have the username foobar now, how do i change it to user |
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| 18:28.24 | streuner | yang: why do you want to? |
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| 18:28.29 | karsten | abrotman: ^^ cerberus |
| 18:28.36 | karsten | tweak: s/cerebus/cerberus/ |
| 18:28.59 | abrotman | burncpu is ok for cpu .. memtest for ram .. i guess |
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| 18:29.07 | tweak | karsten ? |
| 18:29.10 | yang | streuner: So every user that connect from the machine will have foobar? |
| 18:29.13 | karsten | tweak: http://sourceforge.net/projects/va-ctcs/ |
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| 18:29.21 | yang | streuner: I thought, each could have its own, like username |
| 18:29.21 | karsten | tweak: burn-in tools. You were asking about torturing systems? |
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| 18:29.26 | tweak | karsten oh sorry didnt see what you said above. |
| 18:29.27 | streuner | yang: read man nullidentd |
| 18:29.58 | tweak | karsten does it test memory? |
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| 18:30.16 | karsten | tweak: Not entirely sure, suggest you read refs. |
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| 18:30.24 | BleSS | my system don't show my usb devices (lsusb, /proc/bus/usb/devices) but my kernel is well configured: _DEVICEFS=y, _ARCH_HAS_HCD=y, _ARCH_HAS_OHCI=y, _EHCI_HCD=y, _UHCI_HCD=y, _HID=y, _HIDINPUT=y, _HIDDEV=y Any idea? please |
| 18:30.24 | wiler | anyone know of a utility under linux for scanning drives for windows based addware, perhaps using third party data files? have serveral users who sync with samba shares. |
| 18:30.26 | tweak | ok thanks. |
| 18:30.28 | karsten | tweak: ...but I'd strongly suspect it does. |
| 18:30.32 | streuner | yang: another way would oicidentd |
| 18:30.39 | streuner | yang: be* |
| 18:30.42 | greycat | BleSS: does it work with a DEBIAN kernel image? |
| 18:30.44 | karsten | tweak: http://cvs.sourceforge.net/viewcvs.py/va-ctcs/ctcs/FAQ?view=markup |
| 18:31.05 | BleSS | greycat, no, it's a customized kernel |
| 18:31.26 | greycat | BleSS: test it with a debian kernel. |
| 18:31.33 | BleSS | ok |
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| 18:31.42 | streuner | !info oidentd |
| 18:31.48 | dpkg | oidentd: (replacement ident daemon), section net, is extra. Version: 2.0.7-3 (sid), Packaged size: 50 kB, Installed size: 196 kB |
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| 18:32.25 | streuner | yang: oidentd is the other way you can use behind an hardware router... |
| 18:32.27 | jcuk | why does kde detect my mp3 usb hard drive as a SCSI hard drive which cant be accessed and gnome just detects it as a USB Flash hd |
| 18:33.04 | abrotman | those are the same thing |
| 18:33.22 | abrotman | afaik .. a usb flash drive shows up as a scsi device |
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| 18:33.38 | ralf | yup |
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| 18:34.37 | karsten | tweak: Cerebus tests: memory, kernel compile, disk read, system log, DAC960 (NFC what that is), . |
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| 18:35.06 | karsten | tweak: There's also "bonnie" for other disk tests. I'd strongly recommend 'smartmontools' for ongoing monitoring of S.M.A.R.T.-enabled drives. |
| 18:35.59 | tweak | karsten yeah thanks a lot. |
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| 18:36.24 | cy_ | hi, i have some problems with my cd-burner since i upgraded to kernel 2.6.x |
| 18:36.27 | cy_ | http://sial.org/pbot/9747 |
| 18:36.31 | johnny060 | good evenin |
| 18:36.39 | karsten | tweak: smartmontools isn't a burn-in tool, but it (can) give you advanced notice of drive failures. |
| 18:36.47 | johnny060 | i can't seem to find /etc/xinetd.d/vsftpd on my box |
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| 18:36.53 | shingouz | karsten: DAC960 is a Mylex scsi hardware raid adapter |
| 18:37.26 | karsten | shingouz: kthx |
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| 18:37.45 | greycat | johnny060: funny that. I can't seem to find /etc/randomdaemon.d/randomfile on mine! |
| 18:37.54 | karsten | kooldeb: BTW, Osamu Aoki's "Debian Reference" is among the more excellent Debian guides out there. |
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| 18:38.05 | FieldySnuts | I'm not familiar with this name, anyone know if this is a male or female name? Pieter |
| 18:38.12 | FieldySnuts | (typically) |
| 18:38.14 | karsten | tweak: Don't privmsg |
| 18:38.15 | CarlK | after "apt-get install mysql-server" what is the default admin user/pass? |
| 18:38.17 | greycat | FieldySnuts: sounds like an alternate spelling of Peter |
| 18:38.20 | karsten | !tell tweak about topic |
| 18:38.21 | FieldySnuts | yeah |
| 18:38.25 | tweak | k sorry karsten I noticed I cant apt-get Cerberus is it a hard program where I have to do the make stuff and all that to get it to work? I am never sucessfull with that stuff. |
| 18:38.26 | karsten | !tell tweak about msg |
| 18:38.40 | greycat | CarlK: cd /usr/share/doc/mysql-server && ls |
| 18:38.43 | FieldySnuts | I'm just not sure, this place looking into hire me is owned and operated by women |
| 18:38.45 | Petrov | how can I configure X the Window system? |
| 18:38.45 | karsten | CarlK: It's what you set it to. |
| 18:38.47 | FieldySnuts | so anyway brb |
| 18:38.51 | hacim | anyone know which integrated sound chips are better? ADI soundmax, AC97, Realtek 655...? |
| 18:38.54 | Rebecca | hey, can someone point me to a debian friendly kernel config/compiling guide? i think i remember the process, just want to make sure |
| 18:38.55 | johnny060 | greycat;i am new to linux man & would appreciate some patience |
| 18:38.59 | CarlK | hey Karsten - you that guy in/near Nappa? |
| 18:39.09 | greycat | johnny060: why did you expect this file to exisyt? |
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| 18:39.15 | ftugrul | hello |
| 18:39.19 | streuner | Petrov: what videocard do you have? |
| 18:39.23 | karsten | CarlK: Yeah. |
| 18:39.26 | CarlK | where in "apt-get install mysql-server" do you see me setting anything? |
| 18:39.31 | Petrov | streuner : geforce 5900 |
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| 18:39.41 | directhex | Petrov, which version of debian? |
| 18:39.43 | karsten | !tell CarlK about forgot mysql root password |
| 18:39.50 | CarlK | karsten - I was in Zoranda a few weeks ago |
| 18:39.51 | Petrov | directhex : sarge |
| 18:39.52 | karsten | CarlK: ...that's your reset instructions ;-) |
| 18:39.52 | johnny060 | well,i was reading an example on how to integrate vsftpd with xinetd |
| 18:40.02 | karsten | CarlK: Zoranda? |
| 18:40.05 | johnny060 | & can't seem to understand |
| 18:40.14 | directhex | Petrov, dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xfree86 |
| 18:40.23 | greycat | johnny060: then don't do it. Just install it normally and let inetd manage it like everyone other than mandrake users seem to do. |
| 18:40.25 | directhex | Petrov, your card is supported in 2d by the "nv" driver |
| 18:40.27 | ftugrul | how can i prevent compilation of a locale when i compile with nls please? |
| 18:40.27 | CarlK | a 2 street town about 40 min NE of you |
| 18:40.29 | Petrov | directhex, thx |
| 18:40.41 | karsten | johnny060: Check to see if it's launched via inetd / xinetd. |
| 18:40.45 | xoz | CarlK: /usr/share/doc/mysql-server/README.Debian |
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| 18:41.13 | CarlK | xoz - looking |
| 18:41.16 | karsten | CarlK: My CA geography's pretty good, but I've never heard of it. |
| 18:41.19 | johnny060 | i installed it normally & can not ftp through a web page |
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| 18:41.22 | greycat | we would a self-professed "new user" be looking at weird xinetd documentation in the first place? |
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| 18:41.33 | greycat | johnny060: does it work from a command line? |
| 18:41.39 | greycat | s/we would/why would/ |
| 18:41.41 | johnny060 | it does |
| 18:41.42 | xoz | CarlK: /usr/bin/mysqladmin -u root password 'enter-your-good-new-password-here' |
| 18:41.43 | karsten | CarlK: "Zorand" ? |
| 18:41.48 | greycat | johnny060: then your web browser sucks. |
| 18:41.55 | greycat | (or you used it incorrectly) |
| 18:41.56 | hacim | there are too many sound options :P |
| 18:41.57 | johnny060 | firefox |
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| 18:42.23 | greycat | so WHY would a new user who's having problems authenticating to his ftpd from a browser but NOT from a command line be looking at obscure xinetd documentation? |
| 18:42.23 | karsten | CarlK: The bot msg I shot you tells you how to bypass user privs. |
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| 18:42.24 | Petrov | directhex, do I have configure aslo my graphic card ? |
| 18:42.33 | Rebecca | hey, can someone point me to a debian friendly kernel config/compiling guide? i think i remember the process, just want to make sure |
| 18:42.39 | karsten | greycat: 'coz I told him to ;-) |
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| 18:42.40 | greycat | Rebecca: /msg dpkg kp |
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| 18:42.56 | karsten | Rebecca: google 'kernel debian way' |
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| 18:43.06 | CarlK | karsten - I will swear the install set one up |
| 18:43.10 | keon | is there a debian release with 2.6 kernel and SATA support? |
| 18:43.10 | FarrisG | does anybody know a quick way to determine what codec a wav file is encoded in? |
| 18:43.17 | keon | or do i need to compile kernel? |
| 18:43.18 | greycat | !d-i keon |
| 18:43.19 | dpkg | keon, you want to go to http://www.debian.org/devel/debian-installer/ - for your own good, and everyone else's. |
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| 18:43.27 | streuner | FarrisG: try 'file' |
| 18:43.29 | karsten | CarlK: Well... |
| 18:43.37 | karsten | CarlK: ...I know the factoid 'coz I missed it too ;-) |
| 18:43.47 | tweak | karsten im scared to use this program looks super complex. |
| 18:43.59 | johnny060 | thanks anyway |
| 18:44.02 | directhex | Petrov, eh? in the xfree86 configuration |
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| 18:44.12 | karsten | tweak: Yep. |
| 18:44.13 | nutshell42 | ssh -X <host> means I can tunnel a X11 session through a ssh connection but how can I make this survive a "su". I.e. I log in as user A then su to become root and want to open a window as root, tia |
| 18:44.28 | karsten | tweak: I haven't used it. I've had it referred to me. It's a monster. |
| 18:44.38 | Petrov | directhex, oké thx, but I am a new user |
| 18:44.38 | tweak | karsten yeah it has only about 40 readmes haha |
| 18:44.39 | CarlK | karsten - Zamora |
| 18:44.45 | xoz | nutshell42: use sudo |
| 18:44.52 | hacim | realtek 650/655, AC'97, ADI 1888 -- which one is supported, is full-duplex, and doesn't suck ass? |
| 18:45.04 | tweak | karsten I consider myself I noob, I cant even install anything thats not apt-get able. |
| 18:45.05 | karsten | tweak: Depending on what you want to test, memtest86++ gets you memory, 8+ hours recommended, cpuburn gets you CPU, 10-20 mins recommended (and watch your thermal sensors), bonnie gets you disk. |
| 18:45.26 | directhex | hacim, realtek * _IS_ ac97. uses the i810 driver. |
| 18:45.33 | tweak | karsten my memtest86 3.2 gives me hella errors, but 3.1 doesnt. So thats what im trying to find out. |
| 18:46.02 | directhex | nutshell42, install and use "sux" |
| 18:46.02 | hacim | directhex: hm, ok so if it is specified as a realtek 655 then it is no different than if it is specified as an ac97? |
| 18:46.08 | tweak | karsten if memtest is just buggy or what. I hope so, system seems to be running fine on prime95 test so far. |
| 18:46.09 | karsten | tweak: memtest86 (no ++) is deprecated. |
| 18:46.19 | tweak | karsten ? |
| 18:46.21 | karsten | tweak: memtest86++ is current dev branch. |
| 18:46.24 | directhex | hacim, essentially. |
| 18:46.28 | nutshell42 | xoz: not installed, I don't like sudo |
| 18:46.31 | hacim | directhex: bvecause there appears to be a significant difference between the 650 and the 655 |
| 18:46.32 | nutshell42 | but I found a better solution |
| 18:46.33 | tweak | karsten sorry is that good? |
| 18:46.43 | jcuk | How do i see what desktop enviroments i have installed? |
| 18:46.50 | CarlK | thre is a ++ now? |
| 18:46.57 | directhex | hacim, what are you configuring this in? |
| 18:46.59 | tweak | karsten I just downloaded it from memtests website, burned it to CD and booted from the CD. |
| 18:47.03 | nutshell42 | as long as XAUTHORITY points to the correct file of the original user |
| 18:47.04 | nutshell42 | it works |
| 18:47.08 | nutshell42 | thx nevertheless |
| 18:47.08 | streuner | jcuk: dpkg -l gnome-session |
| 18:47.09 | hacim | directhex: I'm contemplating purchasing a motherboard |
| 18:47.09 | greycat | jcuk: update-alternatives --config x-session-manager |
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| 18:47.19 | jcuk | ty |
| 18:47.24 | karsten | tweak: I know memtest86++. Not the others. |
| 18:47.28 | greycat | hacim: so buy a real sound card to throw in it. |
| 18:47.28 | xoz | nutshell42: sudo is the easiest way to run root. well, if you'll not install it, good luck. |
| 18:47.29 | directhex | hacim, get the cheaper motherboard, and a cheap creative labs card |
| 18:47.44 | directhex | hacim, really, it makes SO much difference under linux it's untrue |
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| 18:48.04 | FieldySnuts | @pee on Purdue |
| 18:48.08 | tweak | karsten is memtest86++ different then memtest86 3.2? Is your ++ version something I can apt-get? |
| 18:48.15 | CoesPost | ls |
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| 18:48.17 | directhex | !info memtest86+ |
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| 18:48.22 | dpkg | memtest86+: (thorough real-mode memory tester), section misc, is optional. Version: 1.55.1-1 (sid), Packaged size: 58 kB, Installed size: 200 kB |
| 18:48.57 | tweak | directhex so I just apt-get it and run it? I dont have to boot from it? |
| 18:48.57 | hacim | greycat: hrm, you mean get a board that doesn't have it integrated and buy a creative labs card to plug in? |
| 18:49.07 | nolf | how do i find out and install the latest security updates in debian |
| 18:49.10 | hacim | directhex: really, the CL labs cards are significantly better? |
| 18:49.16 | directhex | tweak, you need to boot from it. the package should add itself as an option in grub |
| 18:49.19 | hacim | nolf: do you have the security sources.list entry? |
| 18:49.31 | nutshell42 | xoz: yes, but every working installation I've seen doesn't need a pw or only the password of the user trying to execute a command to acquire root privileges for this command. Which kinda defeats the idea behind not allowing root logins on ssh |
| 18:49.32 | tweak | directhex OHHH |
| 18:49.38 | tweak | directhex awesome! thanks |
| 18:49.39 | directhex | hacim, the drivers are significantrly better. really, it'll solve a hundred problems before they happen |
| 18:49.41 | nolf | hacim, how do i find out |
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| 18:49.48 | jetscreamer | john is still going at it |
| 18:49.48 | streuner | nolf: what does 'dpkg -l libc6 | tail -1' say? |
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| 18:49.50 | directhex | hacim, i have no regrets about buying an audigy 2 zs for my machine |
| 18:49.58 | hacim | nolf: grep security /etc/apt/sources.list |
| 18:50.00 | karsten | !tell tweak about search |
| 18:50.19 | nolf | oh yep the entry's there |
| 18:50.33 | xoz | nutshell42: sudo allows you to run a window in ssh session. if you use su, you need to tweak your xauth to allow root connect to your x session. |
| 18:50.38 | nolf | because whenevr i apt-get update i cee the security entry ther |
| 18:50.41 | tweak | directhex I didnt see it on the grub boot screen. |
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| 18:50.49 | streuner | nolf: what does 'dpkg -l libc6 | tail -1' say? |
| 18:51.09 | hacim | directhex: is that the high-end model? |
| 18:51.18 | directhex | hacim, not particularly. |
| 18:51.22 | hacim | nolf: its there without a comment sign in front of it? |
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| 18:51.36 | nolf | ofcourse without a comment sign |
| 18:51.37 | hacim | nolf: ah, so if you apt get update and you see it, then you are getting the latest securoty updates |
| 18:51.38 | xoz | nutshell42: try ssh localhost,su then xterm... it will not work but ssh localhost, sudo xterm will work transparently whether you are connecting locally or externally to another server. |
| 18:51.48 | nolf | libc6 2.3.2.ds1-20 GNU C Library: Shared libraries and Timezon |
| 18:51.56 | hacim | directhex: I see that the audigy 2zs is about $65, not bad |
| 18:51.58 | directhex | nutshell42, use sux not su |
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| 18:52.10 | karsten | tweak: memtest86+, not ++. |
| 18:52.11 | tweak | directhex im my /boot/grub/menu.lst I have ## should update-grub create memtest86 boot option and then # memtest86=true should I take out the #? |
| 18:52.12 | greycat | hacim: audigy 2 may be poorly supported... very new. |
| 18:52.16 | nolf | hacim, i am only updating synaptic with the latest patch number |
| 18:52.25 | tweak | karsten yeah I did memtest86+ and it downoaded it. |
| 18:52.26 | nolf | but is it being installed tooo |
| 18:52.32 | directhex | tweak, no, you shouldn't. run update-grub |
| 18:52.42 | streuner | nolf: you have sarge installed, securtiy fixes are compiled into the packages itself |
| 18:52.44 | directhex | greycat, nope, works in sarge fine |
| 18:52.45 | hacim | greycat: since I am upgrading from my sb16 ISA card from 1991, i dont know really anything about sound cards :) |
| 18:52.55 | nutshell42 | xoz, directhex as I already said, export XAUTHORITY="/home/user/.Xauthority" does the trick, thx nevertheless |
| 18:52.56 | greycat | directhex: requires ALSA? |
| 18:52.57 | karsten | tweak: There's instructions on adding GRUB boot line either there or in grub itself. |
| 18:53.03 | streuner | nolf: after sarge is stable security.d.o makes sense then |
| 18:53.20 | karsten | tweak: check your /boot/grub/menu.lst for any lines on memtest86, I think it's a standard stub. |
| 18:53.23 | xoz | nutshell42: not very straighforward compared to sudo |
| 18:53.26 | directhex | greycat, don't know. i use alsa since i already had alsa set up |
| 18:53.36 | karsten | tweak: ...or memtest+ adds this on install. |
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| 18:53.48 | tweak | karsten I think I just need to take out the # outo f #memtest86=true |
| 18:53.56 | xoz | *inconvenient* i think |
| 18:53.57 | hacim | greycat: what would you use? |
| 18:53.59 | nutshell42 | xoz: the straightforward way to use Linux is to only use the root account for everything... =P |
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| 18:54.00 | ircdevil | how do i remove all empty files in a directory? |
| 18:54.08 | ircdevil | script fu? |
| 18:54.08 | peterS | abrotman: what's this about the subjunctive? it seems to be a favorite subject of helix's. what did you need to know? |
| 18:54.09 | nolf | streumer, kindly elucidate |
| 18:54.11 | karsten | tweak: No. |
| 18:54.13 | nolf | sir |
| 18:54.17 | streuner | ircdevil: man find |
| 18:54.18 | karsten | tweak: You leave it commented and run 'update-grub' |
| 18:54.18 | tweak | oh. |
| 18:54.28 | abrotman | peterS: i have no idea .. i said about getting off my lazy bum .. and i got smacked with subjunctive |
| 18:54.30 | karsten | tweak: ...it's a commented line that generates a boot stanza below. |
| 18:54.38 | directhex | greycat, i'm using snd-emu10k1 though, so presumably emu10k1.o would also work |
| 18:54.38 | greycat | hacim: I have an SB Live, which uses the emu10k1 chip. very well supported in OSS drivers, no ALSA required. Just Works(tm). |
| 18:54.45 | xoz | nutshell42: the issue is connecting to another server and running x client with root... that's a different story |
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| 18:54.52 | karsten | tweak: At the end of the file, after 'update-grub', you'll see... |
| 18:54.52 | karsten | title memtest86+ |
| 18:54.52 | karsten | root (hd0,0) |
| 18:54.52 | karsten | kernel /memtest86+.bin |
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| 18:54.57 | greycat | directhex: emu10k*1*? with an audigy *2*? |
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| 18:55.07 | abrotman | karsten: 4 lines! |
| 18:55.08 | abrotman | :) |
| 18:55.10 | greycat | directhex: what does lspci | grep -i audio say this thing is? |
| 18:55.15 | peterS | abrotman: oh. right. it's a helix thing, I guess. just because you used the subjunctive correctly, she assumed I must have told you about it. I've had to tell other people about it before |
| 18:55.22 | CarlK | so on a fresh mysql-server install, there is a username "root" with no password - right? |
| 18:55.27 | tweak | karsten ok I did that, rebooting. |
| 18:55.27 | directhex | 0000:02:07.0 Multimedia audio controller: Creative Labs SB Audigy (rev 04) |
| 18:55.27 | karsten | abrotman: Yeah, it was 1 + 3 + lag ;-) |
| 18:55.36 | abrotman | peterS: i used it correctly? .. how would i have used it incorrectly ? |
| 18:55.43 | tweak | karsten YAY! it worked. |
| 18:55.47 | greycat | directhex: not an audigy2. |
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| 18:55.51 | karsten | abrotman: I think I'm a lag nut... |
| 18:55.54 | tweak | karsten ok so should I trust this memtest over the one I was using? |
| 18:55.58 | abrotman | directhex: i used it wrong? |
| 18:56.10 | peterS | abrotman: you said "if i were ever to get off my lazy bumm". incorrect would be "if i was ever to get off..." |
| 18:56.13 | penguin | so the command to make all files in directory world readable is chmod -R o+r /directory? |
| 18:56.14 | abrotman | peterS: i figured they way directhex jumped on it too.. i did something wrong |
| 18:56.16 | tweak | karsten nice! it even knows im using tihe dual channel! |
| 18:56.24 | tweak | the other one was saying signle / virtual |
| 18:56.25 | karsten | CarlK: Ahh... |
| 18:56.28 | nutshell42 | xoz: the issue is that I don't want root logins by ssh on the box and sudo more or less allows that. At least you didn't contradict me when I said that afaik you don't need the root pw for sudo, because it's been that way with every sudo installation I've seen |
| 18:56.33 | abrotman | peterS: oh .. well .. duh .. the other one seems wrong :) |
| 18:56.34 | ircdevil | streuner: find . -empty | xargs rm :o))) |
| 18:56.36 | karsten | CarlK: Yeah, Zamora's out in the Sacto Valley. |
| 18:56.41 | peterS | abrotman: it *is* wrong. but surprisingly common. |
| 18:56.41 | karsten | CarlK: That's a hike from here. |
| 18:56.50 | abrotman | peterS: only in oklahoma or something |
| 18:56.52 | abrotman | :) |
| 18:56.52 | hacim | greycat: whats wrong with alsa? is that card full-duplex? |
| 18:56.57 | streuner | ircdevil: hm :-) |
| 18:57.00 | peterS | abrotman: there must be a lot of people ircing from oklahoma then |
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| 18:57.04 | xoz | nutshell42: sudo does not allow root login per se. |
| 18:57.06 | CarlK | karsten - it's a bigger hike from San Jose |
| 18:57.06 | abrotman | peterS: hogballs :) |
| 18:57.11 | karsten | peterS: Yes. Make sure that's what you want to do. |
| 18:57.13 | greycat | hacim: ALSA and I do not get along. My ALSA experiences have all ended in failure. |
| 18:57.17 | karsten | CarlK: Heh. |
| 18:57.34 | abrotman | peterS: dunno .. i didn't realize one was wrong or right i guess .. i suppose i was taught the correct way .. who knows |
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| 18:57.47 | directhex | greycat, http://www.levi.cz/image/CreativeAudigy2ZS.jpg |
| 18:57.48 | abrotman | peterS: when was the last time you got to apostrophe smite me ? |
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| 18:57.50 | hacim | greycat: heh, good reason |
| 18:57.53 | xoz | nutshell42: you login to the other server as ordinary user then sudo bash or whatever client you want to run as root. |
| 18:57.55 | peterS | abrotman: that has been awhile! |
| 18:57.57 | abrotman | heh |
| 18:58.00 | streuner | peterS: i thought that's Guerin's job? ;-) |
| 18:58.02 | tweak | karsten thanks so much. |
| 18:58.02 | penguin | <PROTECTED> |
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| 18:58.10 | karsten | CarlK: Google maps shows the location, but no there there. |
| 18:58.16 | karsten | tweak: NP. |
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| 18:58.23 | directhex | greycat, ca0102 chip. not emu*. despite what lspci and the drivers say. |
| 18:58.23 | greycat | directhex: that's what your machine has in it? |
| 18:58.24 | abrotman | peterS: now if only you could get me to stop using .. and use uppercase letters :) |
| 18:58.27 | peterS | abrotman: well, you are right that the wrong way just *sounds* wrong. educated people don't need to know the details of how the subjunctive works - they can just hear it. unfortunately, a lot of people seem unable to hear the difference (: |
| 18:58.30 | directhex | greycat, the exact same model, yers |
| 18:58.41 | greycat | directhex: I hate it when software lies to me. |
| 18:58.59 | CarlK | karsten - "no there there." ? |
| 18:59.00 | streuner | peterS: ask me :-) |
| 18:59.02 | peterS | abrotman: I'm not a big fan of uppercase letters on a live medium like irc - except when it comes to the first person subjective pronoun |
| 18:59.23 | nutshell42 | xoz: but my point is that afaik I don't need the root password to get the root shell |
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| 18:59.29 | abrotman | peterS: at my sister's wedding .. a older woman got out of the car and dropped some change and exclaimed "Someone dropped some change .. I hope it was I" .. my bro-in-law and i sat there and tried to figure it out .. and just decided to let him get married instead :) |
| 18:59.31 | karsten | CarlK: 'zamora, ca' at maps.google.com. Try it yourself. |
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| 18:59.37 | karsten | CarlK: All I see is 505 & 5. |
| 18:59.47 | xoz | nutshell42: and sudo does not need the root password |
| 18:59.56 | peterS | abrotman: she was right. "it was I" is correct, "it was me" is not. but that one's even more common |
| 18:59.58 | nutshell42 | xoz: exactly, that's the problem |
| 19:00.05 | CarlK | karsten - told you it was a 2 street town ;) |
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| 19:00.15 | directhex | greycat, is hardware lying to you preferable? |
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| 19:00.21 | hacim | hmm |
| 19:00.26 | abrotman | peterS: well .. the way i explained it was that .. if she would have finished her sentence .. it would have been "I hope it was I who dropped the change" |
| 19:00.29 | directhex | greycat, let me run update-pciids, see if it makes a difference. |
| 19:00.32 | greycat | directhex: if hardware lies, you can just kick it. |
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| 19:00.48 | simi | hi |
| 19:00.56 | asuffield | greycat: does that work on wetware too? |
| 19:01.04 | xoz | nutshell42: well, you can control who can sudo. whatever, for me sudo works well. |
| 19:01.05 | greycat | asuffield: unfortunately, no |
| 19:01.10 | peterS | abrotman: yes. but even without the rest, '____ {is|was} {I|he|she|we|they}' is correct |
| 19:01.10 | directhex | greycat, nope, still registers as audigy1. for reference, it appears the new audigy 4 ALSO uses snd-emu10k1 |
| 19:01.10 | asuffield | pity |
| 19:01.11 | hacim | greycat: my problem is that me and PCI soundcards don't get along, so I am afraid of them |
| 19:01.49 | nutshell42 | xoz: but to be able to use it via ssh the user able to log in via ssh must be allowed to use sudo |
| 19:01.52 | greycat | hacim: well, I offer directhex to you as the answer-provider, since he seems to have much success here. |
| 19:02.02 | abrotman | peterS: yes .. i know .. but i was trying to demonstrate why "I" was correct .. because by ending the sentence 'early' .. it made it somewhat confusing .. but my finishing it .. it seems quite clear |
| 19:02.13 | nutshell42 | xoz: which defeats the point of having only one user who can login via ssh |
| 19:02.18 | abrotman | welcome to #grammar .. :) |
| 19:02.23 | peterS | abrotman: heh, however you want to think of it |
| 19:02.29 | streuner | fuck grammar |
| 19:02.30 | peterS | so long as you get the rule right (: |
| 19:02.33 | abrotman | peterS: not correct? |
| 19:02.33 | maher | nutshell42: what are you trying to do? |
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| 19:02.47 | abrotman | even i hope it was me that dropped the change .. still wrong |
| 19:02.51 | greycat | abrotman: "It was I." is correct because with a linking verb, you need to have the same kind of phrase on both ends of it. |
| 19:02.52 | abrotman | obviously |
| 19:02.57 | xoz | nutshell42: i can't follow your logic. i trust you man. let's move on. |
| 19:02.58 | nutshell42 | maher: nothing, problems already solved =) |
| 19:02.59 | peterS | abrotman: yep |
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| 19:03.14 | greycat | abrotman: since "It" is a subject, you need a subject pronoun on the other side -- "I". "me" is an object pronoun. |
| 19:03.16 | abrotman | see .. we should all go to #english and edumacate them :) |
| 19:03.17 | directhex | <PROTECTED> |
| 19:03.17 | directhex | <PROTECTED> |
| 19:03.25 | directhex | anyway, dinnertime |
| 19:03.26 | M4hd1 | hi, anyone knows how to convert mpc files to mp3 on debian? |
| 19:03.34 | abrotman | streuner: i'm getting closer! |
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| 19:03.50 | greycat | M4hd1: /msg dpkg lame will get you the second half. |
| 19:03.51 | abrotman | streuner: do i get a prize when it happens ? |
| 19:03.55 | greycat | I have no clue how you decode them. |
| 19:04.04 | streuner | !prize abrotman |
| 19:04.10 | streuner | take that ;-) |
| 19:04.14 | abrotman | !prise streuner |
| 19:04.16 | abrotman | :) |
| 19:04.24 | hacim | i hate how motherboards are so similar that you can't pick one |
| 19:04.28 | M4hd1 | greycat, yep, i'm familiar with lame, but does it read mpc? |
| 19:04.35 | abrotman | hacim: so flip a coin .. problem solved |
| 19:04.42 | greycat | M4hd1: I said, I don't have a clue how you decode them. |
| 19:04.43 | madclicker | is there a way to ssh to a server with password included on line? "ssh -l jon_ho "password""? |
| 19:04.44 | xoz | i was... you are... vs i were.. you is |
| 19:04.45 | jonah | hello all --> I'm having trouble with make-kpkg. how do you add an external driver to a kernel package. I want to add the 3w-9xxx driver from the 3ware website and have it show up in my initrd. --added-modules doesn't seem to do what i expect it to |
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| 19:04.52 | greycat | but lame will encode the .wav file to mp3 once you have decoded the evil format. |
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| 19:05.06 | peterS | madclicker: it'd be a bad idea because other local users could see your command line |
| 19:05.19 | lainard | help me pls |
| 19:05.29 | greycat | help you please whom? |
| 19:05.30 | lainard | on silicom usb ethernet adafter |
| 19:05.38 | peterS | madclicker: what you want to do instead is generate a keypair on the local machine and put the public key in ~/.ssh/authorized_keys on the other end. and make sure you're using the matching protocol version, and sending that key |
| 19:05.39 | greycat | I don't think you can please one of those. |
| 19:05.39 | madclicker | peterS: it is for gnome-terminal profile |
| 19:06.14 | greycat | peterS: and check the permissions. |
| 19:06.19 | peterS | oh yeah |
| 19:06.22 | hacim | is the nforce2 north and south bridge really all that better than the via kt660 and kt880? |
| 19:06.28 | peterS | ssh -v tends to tell all |
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| 19:06.35 | greycat | peterS: not in my experience. |
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| 19:06.53 | greycat | peterS: all the interesting reasons why people's keypairs fail is on the server side, in my experience |
| 19:06.57 | greycat | s/is/are/ |
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| 19:07.11 | xoz | madclicker: cp ssh_config to .ssh/config and make sure ForwardAgent is set to yes |
| 19:07.14 | streuner | brw-rwxrwx 1 root disk 22, 64 2002-03-14 22:51 /dev/hdd, but he 'user' is in disk-group, no sucess to run 'hddtemp -n /dev/hdd' as normal user, what's wrong? |
| 19:07.15 | tarzeau | abrotman: there? |
| 19:07.24 | peterS | well, perhaps, but you can at least eliminate things like having an ssh2 key in authorized_keys but negotiating protocol 1 so not using it |
| 19:07.37 | abrotman | si senor |
| 19:07.57 | peterS | xoz: wtf? you don't need a cluttered .ssh/config - just the one line will do |
| 19:08.01 | madclicker | anyhow, you guys lost me , I'll just enter the password , thx |
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| 19:08.13 | karsten | abrotman: -v is additive, too. |
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| 19:08.19 | starshine | sigh.. what to do about a maintainer whose packaging habits I don't like? |
| 19:08.20 | abrotman | karsten: what? |
| 19:08.24 | karsten | abrotman: -v tells some, -vv tells more, -vvv tells most. |
| 19:08.27 | xoz | peterS: it's good for the user without root access |
| 19:08.28 | abrotman | karsten: about what? |
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| 19:08.39 | karsten | abrotman: ssh |
| 19:08.41 | starshine | karsten: that's for "very" "very" "verbose |
| 19:08.42 | starshine | " |
| 19:08.49 | abrotman | err he |
| 19:08.53 | karsten | starshine: Oi. |
| 19:08.56 | maher | starshine: make yuor own rival package - it will be so much better everyone will use that instead |
| 19:09.00 | karsten | abrotman: Yeah. Greycat. |
| 19:09.04 | abrotman | heh |
| 19:09.08 | karsten | abrotman: All cats look the same in IRC. |
| 19:09.11 | xoz | madclicker: then place ssh-add </dev/null in .xsession |
| 19:09.13 | karsten | greycat: ^^ abrotman -v |
| 19:09.16 | starshine | maher: temptimg. I am not currently a maintainer. |
| 19:09.18 | penguin | chmod -R o+r /directory makes all files in that directory world readable? |
| 19:09.28 | abrotman | heh |
| 19:09.29 | maher | starshine: someone else cansponsor it |
| 19:09.31 | abrotman | i didn't do it! |
| 19:09.33 | greycat | karsten: huh? |
| 19:09.43 | McKillroy | does it make sense Do run an LVM Volume on a Software RAID0, or would it be better to use LVMs striping policy and just use the 2 partitions which make up the raid array as a volumegroup ? |
| 19:09.47 | karsten | greycat: WRT ssh & -v |
| 19:09.52 | karsten | greycat: I misfired to abrotman |
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| 19:10.20 | greycat | karsten: no matter how many -v's you put on ssh(1), it won't tell you why the server side rejected your authorized_keys file. |
| 19:10.21 | jonah | no make-kpkg gurus here? :-( this is driving me nuts |
| 19:10.22 | peterS | McKillroy: lvm on raid0, probably. if you want raid0 to begin with |
| 19:10.27 | starshine | McKillroy: I'd use LVM and not raid, if raid0 was all you were going to do with it. |
| 19:10.28 | greycat | karsten: /msg dpkg debug sshd |
| 19:10.30 | karsten | greycat: Note I said "most", not "all". |
| 19:10.32 | McKillroy | Thanks |
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| 19:10.41 | karsten | greycat: Point being that '-v' is an additive argument. |
| 19:10.47 | jonah | 99% of the time authorized_keys is missspelled or has the wrong perms |
| 19:10.53 | penguin | Is Sarge frozen yet? |
| 19:10.55 | karsten | jonah: Ask kooldeb |
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| 19:11.05 | greycat | karsten: 9 times out of 10 when someone fucks up an ssh RSA key authentication setup it's either because they have group write permissions on something, or they misspelled authorized_keys |
| 19:11.07 | karsten | koanWu: You're the current make-kpkg expert. |
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| 19:11.11 | peterS | missspelled. I like that. |
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| 19:11.14 | karsten | greycat: Point. |
| 19:11.22 | kooldeb | brb guys |
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| 19:11.41 | karsten | jonah: kooldeb's trying out his new kernel, give him a few. |
| 19:11.53 | jonah | karsten: thx |
| 19:12.10 | pen123 | Is Sarge frozen yet? |
| 19:12.16 | peterS | no |
| 19:12.17 | abrotman | pen123: /topic |
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| 19:12.33 | starshine | pen123: slushy :) |
| 19:12.34 | karsten | !topicsmite pen123 |
| 19:12.35 | dpkg | And the wrath of /TOPIC descended with terrible fury upon pen123. And all the people marveled, saying, Behold, we too should read the /TOPIC, lest we be stricken. And all the people read the /TOPIC, and went away edified. |
| 19:12.43 | maher | pen123: its getting chilly though |
| 19:12.48 | pen123 | chmod -R o+r /directory makes all files in that directory world readable? |
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| 19:12.57 | greycat | pen123: man chmod |
| 19:12.57 | karsten | maher: I thought it was more Argentinian/Peruvian myself. |
| 19:13.08 | pen123 | Just went to make sure |
| 19:13.08 | Morvok | are there seperate channels for different archs? |
| 19:13.09 | greycat | pen123: it does a bit more than that. |
| 19:13.10 | karsten | pen123: Try it. List it. |
| 19:13.12 | McKillroy | peterS and starshine: I want to use some directories (/usr /srv / tmp /var /var/log /home) which I dont need for booting in separate partitions and I want the convenience of changing them later easily which lvm2 gives. they will get a daily backup scheme. I just wonder which solution is faster. |
| 19:13.21 | greycat | Morvok: some arches. |
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| 19:13.28 | pen123 | What more? |
| 19:13.39 | greycat | pen123: -R is *recursive* |
| 19:13.45 | peterS | McKillroy: raid0 doesn't give you *that* much of a speed boost, and it approximately doubles the chance of having to restore your filesystem from backup because of a hard disk crash |
| 19:13.46 | greycat | pen123: and you didn't specify "just files" |
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| 19:13.59 | greycat | pen123: so it'll do *EVERYTHING* *RECURSIVELY*. |
| 19:14.02 | Morvok | that would explain no debian-hppa |
| 19:14.03 | McKillroy | peterS: Thats why daily backup ... |
| 19:14.13 | pen123 | Is that a safe command? |
| 19:14.20 | greycat | pen123: no, not particularly. |
| 19:14.31 | peterS | McKillroy: well, that's why I said, *if you want raid0*, I'd put lvm on top of raid0 rather than just using striping inside lvm |
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| 19:14.42 | pen123 | Is there a way to that safely? |
| 19:14.44 | Bombo | hi, i'm using sarge, and i need the following file: libXxf86vm.so.1 in which package is it? i didn't find it with apt-file search libXxf86vm.so.1 |
| 19:14.49 | peterS | McKillroy: if you have a reasonable recovery scheme, and you don't need to be alive 24/7, raid0 is fine |
| 19:14.52 | greycat | pen123: to do what? |
| 19:15.02 | Bombo | normally it is in /usr/X11R6/lib/libXxf86vm.so.1 |
| 19:15.15 | pen123 | I want to make all the files in a directory world readable and all files below it. |
| 19:15.36 | McKillroy | peterS: How would you estimate the advantage from plain scsi 160 to raid 0 with those disks ? |
| 19:15.37 | greycat | pen123: find /foo -type f -print0 | xargs -0 chmod a+r |
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| 19:15.51 | greycat | pen123: be VERY VERY CAREFUL that you type /foo and not / foo |
| 19:15.57 | xoz | bobesponja: apt-file search <library> |
| 19:16.17 | Bombo | i'm trying to run a binary that depends on this file: libXxf86vm.so.1 => not found and libXxf86dga.so.1 => not found |
| 19:16.22 | peterS | McKillroy: if you care that much, benchmark. I haven't done so and in any case I don't have multiple u2w disks |
| 19:16.34 | McKillroy | IC |
| 19:16.41 | ircdevil | Bombo: /msg dpkg apt-file |
| 19:16.41 | McKillroy | peterS: Thanks ! |
| 19:17.00 | McKillroy | peterS: I'll measure -- what would you recommend ? Bonnie ? |
| 19:17.02 | Bombo | ircdevil: i have apt-file |
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| 19:17.16 | ircdevil | Bombo: apt-file search your-gdm-file :o) |
| 19:17.29 | Bombo | ircdevil: no result |
| 19:17.41 | ircdevil | !find libXxf86dga.so.1 |
| 19:17.45 | xoz | Bombo: and perhaps auto-apt |
| 19:17.45 | peterS | McKillroy: well, bonnie will give you some idea. I dunno, I don't bench this stuff much |
| 19:17.50 | dpkg | Debian Package/File/Desc Search of 'libXxf86dga.so.1' returned no results. |
| 19:17.57 | directhex | i'm back. |
| 19:18.03 | Bombo | and nothing for libXxf86vm.so.1 |
| 19:18.05 | ircdevil | Bombo: what binary is this? |
| 19:18.12 | xoz | <PROTECTED> |
| 19:18.18 | dpkg | Debian Search of 'libXxf86dga' (2): (/usr/X11R6/lib/libXxf86dga.a) in libdevel/xlibs-static-dev ;; (/usr/X11R6/lib/libXxf86dga_pic.a) in libdevel/xlibs-static-pic. |
| 19:18.27 | directhex | hacim, still trying to pick a motherboard? |
| 19:18.37 | Bombo | ircdevil: quakeforge |
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| 19:19.02 | Bombo | hmmm just static libs |
| 19:19.34 | ircdevil | Bombo: try those libs suggested by dpkg |
| 19:19.34 | pen123 | that command is a mouthful. Why is it safer? |
| 19:19.48 | greycat | pen123: because yours does ALL THINGS, not just files. |
| 19:19.55 | greycat | pen123: but your problem specified "files". |
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| 19:20.01 | Bombo | ircdevil: you think they'll work if the binary is dynamically linked again those libs? |
| 19:20.19 | ircdevil | Bombo: it may. test and tell :o) |
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| 19:20.41 | pen123 | Why do you need xargs? |
| 19:20.56 | Bombo | The following extra packages will be installed: |
| 19:20.58 | Bombo | <PROTECTED> |
| 19:21.06 | Bombo | After unpacking 25.9MB of additional disk space will be used. |
| 19:21.08 | Bombo | doh |
| 19:21.13 | Bombo | i hate it when this happens |
| 19:21.28 | ircdevil | Bombo: heh - all that crap for one tiny missing file :o) |
| 19:22.02 | ircdevil | Bombo: alternatively: touch libXxf86dga.so.1 |
| 19:22.03 | peterS | Bombo: how did you manage to have a system without zlib1g or libx11-6 on it? |
| 19:22.04 | Bombo | ircdevil: and i only got 36M free hd space ;) |
| 19:22.24 | greycat | peterS: well, the X11 libs are understandable... |
| 19:22.39 | ircdevil | Bombo: but you absolutely want to quake on such a lousy box? how about a round of nethack instead? |
| 19:22.39 | peterS | greycat: what? you can't even obtain xemacs without libx11-6 |
| 19:22.50 | greycat | peterS: why would you want emacs? |
| 19:23.01 | peterS | that's a pretty basic necessity for a unix box |
| 19:23.09 | greycat | !emacs disease |
| 19:23.09 | dpkg | I'd like to share a revelation that I've had during my time here. It came to me when I tried to classify your package. I've realized that you are not actually a text editor. Every text editor on this system instinctively develops a natural equilibrium with the surrounding OS. But you emacsen do not. You move to a system and you multiply and multiply until every system resource is consumed.... |
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| 19:23.20 | shakparl | troll |
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| 19:23.32 | saabin | hello |
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| 19:23.44 | Bombo | peterS: hmmm actually they are installed, but probably apt-get wants to upgrade them |
| 19:23.48 | maher | emacs is great os - all it needs is an nice lightwight text editor like vi |
| 19:23.49 | shakparl | although i'm a vi user |
| 19:23.54 | peterS | Bombo: oh, ok |
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| 19:24.25 | Ich | what is burnfree, and should i enable it for burning an ISO? |
| 19:24.37 | Bombo | ircdevil: it has got a gf2 in it, and a celeron 450mhz ;) |
| 19:24.40 | jonah | vim :-) |
| 19:24.45 | directhex | Ich, cool technology, and yes |
| 19:24.46 | ircdevil | Ich: cdwriting howto? |
| 19:24.48 | peterS | maher: hey hey. once you're already running the emacs OS, the text editor is very lightweight - it comes for free |
| 19:25.00 | Bombo | ircdevil: armagetron is running, neverball too |
| 19:25.05 | directhex | Ich, it's a technology sold under several headings, to try & minimise buffer underruns |
| 19:25.05 | maher | peterS: people think that's funny until they find out about emacs vi mode |
| 19:25.11 | Ich | thanks. |
| 19:25.24 | peterS | maher: ha, which of the 3 or so emacs vi modes? (: |
| 19:25.25 | Bombo | ircdevil: i just installed an old HD i had available after the original one died |
| 19:25.28 | ircdevil | Bombo: blah - impress me and tell what level of nethach you have reached |
| 19:25.36 | maher | peterS: indeed - not funny at all |
| 19:25.38 | Bombo | ircdevil: never played nethack ;) |
| 19:25.56 | ircdevil | O_o |
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| 19:26.02 | Bombo | ircdevil: well i think i tried it once, like 12 years ago |
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| 19:26.05 | Bombo | ;) |
| 19:26.12 | Bombo | on a remote bbs system |
| 19:26.21 | peterS | Bombo: just like me. I didn't see much point 12 years ago either |
| 19:26.25 | Bombo | with my 14k4 modem |
| 19:26.31 | peterS | well, 11 years ago in my case |
| 19:26.33 | jar9000 | anyone who knows about pygtk? |
| 19:26.45 | jar9000 | sorry. |
| 19:26.45 | Bombo | peterS: ;) |
| 19:26.48 | ircdevil | Bombo: me too. i had an awsome turist throwing darts at thise xing monstars and Dragons :o) |
| 19:26.48 | jonah | bye |
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| 19:27.10 | CarlK | karsten - here is where we were (hope this works) : http://maps.google.com/maps?q=&ll=38.775558,-121.906904&spn=0.006362,0.009012&t=k&hl=en |
| 19:27.14 | Bombo | ircdevil: hmkay ;) |
| 19:27.37 | jar9000 | a mistake...wrong channel |
| 19:27.39 | ircdevil | peterS: Bombo i actaully think there is a prize for the person who gets below level 40 or something ... |
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| 19:27.55 | Epix | Cube gives this error: Fatal signal: Floating Point Exception (SDL Parachute Deployed). what the hell is it? how do i fix it |
| 19:27.58 | furrywolf | blah. I think it's time to replace the battery I keep in the garage to run the inverter off of... when I switch my 1500 watt inverter on with a 500 watt load, the battery voltage instantly drops to 11.3 or so, then goes below 10 about 30 seconds later. after sitting on a charger happily bubbling for 2 days... |
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| 19:28.10 | directhex | don't bother, Cube sucks. |
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| 19:28.12 | peterS | Epix: floating point exception usually means divide-by-zero |
| 19:28.28 | Epix | directhex, whats better? (not ET) |
| 19:28.31 | furrywolf | or sqrt(<0) |
| 19:28.33 | peterS | other things can cause FPE but that's the most common |
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| 19:28.50 | directhex | Epix, apt-get install quake2 |
| 19:28.53 | Epix | peterS, hmm, why would Cube do thhis |
| 19:28.58 | bozomar | I think we have to block somevone: ToBe http://www.videoturk.tr.gs Free Porno Videos |
| 19:29.09 | peterS | furrywolf: if your battery is *bubbling* that's a problem |
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| 19:29.18 | ircdevil | !nethack |
| 19:29.19 | dpkg | it has been said that nethack is a great roguelike game that kicks butt all over *angband. For more information, read http://www.nethack.org/ or newsgroup rec.games.roguelike.nethack apt-get install nethack; then run nethack. Movement is by default using the vi keys, but you can change the keybindings |
| 19:29.19 | Epix | directhex, dont i ned the real game tho? |
| 19:29.22 | hacim | dpkg: I am... |
| 19:29.25 | hacim | directhex: I am |
| 19:29.34 | directhex | Epix, no, it'll download the shareware data files |
| 19:29.45 | peterS | !ops ToBe spambot, according to bozomar |
| 19:29.46 | dpkg | Hydroxide, bob2, caphuso, dondelelcaro, doogie, eeyore-, ElectricElf, greycat, helix, ljlane, LoRez, mentor, Netsnipe, TML, walters, xk: ToBe spambot, according to bozomar |
| 19:29.47 | furrywolf | peters: my nice automatic charger is broken, so I'm using my old one. puts out about 18 volts... |
| 19:29.47 | hacim | directhex: found a refurbished MSI KT4AV Socket A (Socket 462) VIA KT400A for only $29 :) |
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| 19:30.04 | directhex | hacim, what are you after exactly - socket type, expansion requirements, onboard shizzle |
| 19:30.04 | LoRez | klined |
| 19:30.08 | peterS | thanks, LoRez |
| 19:30.11 | CarlK | xoz - thanks for the MySQL readme pointer |
| 19:30.12 | helix | killah |
| 19:30.14 | furrywolf | deepcycles always bubble when overcharged, and it's in fact advised you do so. |
| 19:30.21 | duncf | can someone kick ToBe? |
| 19:30.28 | helix | duncf: he's been klined |
| 19:30.30 | peterS | duncf: LoRez is way ahead of you |
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| 19:30.36 | directhex | duncf, welcome to 30 seconds ago |
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| 19:30.43 | duncf | thanks |
| 19:30.46 | duncf | lol |
| 19:31.01 | hacim | directhex: i want to use my existing amd 1gig cpu (socket a), I want decent audio (but doesn't have to be integrated), dont want onboard raid etc. |
| 19:31.08 | peterS | go go gadget LOREZ |
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| 19:31.26 | abrotman | peterS: that's an image i don't want |
| 19:31.29 | directhex | hacim, i'd get a low-end nforce2 board. kt400a is junk. |
| 19:31.32 | hacim | directhex: my existing kt7-raid board is ok, but it doesn't handle any aduio cards I throw at it well |
| 19:31.38 | peterS | abrotman: oh, sorry about that, then |
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| 19:31.48 | directhex | hacim, kt133 has major pci bus flooding bugs, yes |
| 19:31.51 | Bombo | hmmm anyone please do "ls -l /usr/X11R6/lib/libXxf86vm.so" |
| 19:31.53 | hacim | directhex: really? I was reading reviews and they said that the kt400a was "tried and true" |
| 19:31.58 | abrotman | peterS: just like the old cartoons . i'm imagining LoRez flying from your hat :) |
| 19:32.01 | Epix | directhex, mind if i /msg you? |
| 19:32.02 | Bombo | and tell me the result ;) |
| 19:32.22 | ircdevil | Bombo: nada |
| 19:32.22 | directhex | Epix, very much so. if people want to chat with me intimately, they can use quakenet |
| 19:32.24 | hacim | directhex: yeah, I can't do jack sound wise on this board... basically want to get something cheap that I can actually do things like skype and music/movies |
| 19:32.25 | furrywolf | once a deepcycle is fully charged, it can't store any more energy, and any extra energy you put into it goes to breaking down the water... they can take overcharge forever as long as you keep the water topped up. intentionally overcharging them is used as an equalizer charger, making sure all cells are brought up to the same full charge, rather than having slightly different charges on each cell. |
| 19:32.26 | peterS | Bombo: doesn't exist on my box. I can't be bothered to look up whether it's in a package I don't ahve installed |
| 19:32.48 | abrotman | furrywolf: wrong channel ? |
| 19:32.50 | Bombo | ircdevil: ;( |
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| 19:32.55 | pen123 | I think I need the directorys word readable also |
| 19:33.06 | ircdevil | biblebot -> furrywolf |
| 19:33.06 | Bombo | peterS: okok |
| 19:33.07 | peterS | abrotman: no, we were discussing his battery |
| 19:33.12 | abrotman | oh ok |
| 19:33.17 | hacim | directhex: I was looking at the MSI K7N2 Delta2-LSR Socket A its got the nforce2 ultra chipset |
| 19:33.24 | abrotman | i thought he got lost from #physics |
| 19:33.26 | hacim | directhex: but perhaps that is a little high-end :) |
| 19:33.33 | directhex | hacim, it's a better choice. had some bios issues on first release |
| 19:33.35 | xoz | furrywolf is describing cellular decomposition |
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| 19:33.40 | directhex | hacim, i've seen those boards for £30. |
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| 19:33.45 | furrywolf | abrotman: that was a response to <peterS> furrywolf: if your battery is *bubbling* that's a problem |
| 19:33.50 | ircdevil | furrywolf is indeed morgan freeman |
| 19:33.52 | peterS | abrotman: I thought that his battery 'bubbling' would be a bad sign, he is trying to assure me that it's perfectly normal and harmless |
| 19:33.53 | abrotman | heh |
| 19:33.58 | hacim | directhex: sounds about right, newegg here has them for $65 |
| 19:34.26 | hacim | directhex: if I could get a cheaper board, then I could add a halfway decent soundcard |
| 19:34.29 | furrywolf | none of you have ever worked with batteries, have you? :P |
| 19:34.41 | Epix | QuakeIIForge 0.3 |
| 19:34.41 | Epix | using /home/eevench/.quake2/baseq2/ for writing |
| 19:34.41 | Epix | couldn't exec default.cfg |
| 19:34.41 | Epix | execing config.cfg |
| 19:34.42 | Epix | Console initialized. |
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| 19:34.50 | DeathWolf | hello all, is there a way to install all typical dev. tools automatically, i seem to remember there was a package name that'd install all basic developper sub packages?(like gcc/make/etc) |
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| 19:34.54 | Epix | lol |
| 19:34.58 | greycat | !b-e DeathWolf |
| 19:34.58 | dpkg | DeathWolf: Sounds like you need to install build-essential. |
| 19:35.00 | Epix | im stupid, |
| 19:35.02 | pen123 | <PROTECTED> |
| 19:35.19 | xoz | DeathWolf: tasksel ? |
| 19:35.21 | furrywolf | deathwolf: hrrm! you sound like a mean wolf. *hides* :P |
| 19:35.23 | jcole | i've got multiple partitions (and drives) on my computer... is ther an app that can automatically put all my partitions in fstab? |
| 19:35.25 | greycat | pen123: does all the directories. recursively. |
| 19:35.27 | DeathWolf | tasksel doesnt show it;) |
| 19:35.40 | DeathWolf | anyway build-essential seems to work |
| 19:35.41 | hacim | directhex: however I might find that the on-board audio is good enough, it seems that you can't really get a mobo without integrated audio anymore |
| 19:35.44 | pen123 | SO I need that also? |
| 19:35.45 | bozomar | jcole: What do you want to do? |
| 19:35.49 | hacim | directhex: I've got a video card, so I dont need that integrated |
| 19:36.00 | directhex | hacim, pci or agp? |
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| 19:36.04 | greycat | pen123: you said you wanted files. so I gave a command that does files. Now you say you want directories too? |
| 19:36.09 | greycat | !VAGUENESS |
| 19:36.10 | dpkg | VAGUENESS MAKES THE BABY BADGERS CRY! |
| 19:36.19 | pen123 | I want to be able to read everything, but not write |
| 19:36.25 | McKillroy | !Argh |
| 19:36.28 | furrywolf | going to cycle the battery a few more times... charging at 15 amps at the moment. will check it in 8 hours or so... |
| 19:36.31 | greycat | that command *also* does not take away write privileges. |
| 19:36.34 | jcole | bozomar: "hotplug" my drives, same as my usb drives do |
| 19:36.41 | greycat | it only adds read privileges |
| 19:36.59 | bozomar | jcole: mount it automatically at boot time? |
| 19:37.00 | pen123 | OK, but for now I just want to read |
| 19:37.02 | shingouz | furrywolf: wtf kind of a battery you have there? 15 amps! geez |
| 19:37.10 | furrywolf | it might come back to life after a couple more cycles, but I think it's just toasted. :) |
| 19:37.17 | pen123 | I think it is all write protected |
| 19:37.41 | furrywolf | shingouz: an 85ah marine deepcycle. I keep it in the garage with my 1500 watt inverter on it. that way when the power goes out I can lug it inside and plug things into it. |
| 19:37.52 | hacim | directhex: its an agp nvidia geforce4 mx |
| 19:37.54 | furrywolf | it runs the microwave. I'm happy. :P |
| 19:37.58 | directhex | pen123, what file system is /backup ? |
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| 19:38.18 | shingouz | furrywolf: even car batteries do not take that much if they are in good condition, i think the battery is at least toast if not worse |
| 19:38.32 | jcole | bozomar: i've got about 13 partitions with different file system types that i don't want to manually add into fstab... i would like to know if their is somekind of hotplug app/server out there that already does this |
| 19:38.36 | directhex | hacim, you're fortunate it runs at 3.3v and 1.5v, else it'd be new gfx card time |
| 19:38.56 | pen123 | OK IM set. |
| 19:39.02 | pen123 | Thanks |
| 19:39.02 | shingouz | furrywolf: the amperage sounds like something you'd see on a fork lift truck, you know the small electirc ones that are mainly just a huge battery |
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| 19:39.07 | furrywolf | shingouz: deep cycles take much more current than crappy car starter batteries... 15 amps is about normal, battery only gets slightly warm. usually tapers to about 10 amps after a half hour. |
| 19:39.09 | hacim | directhex: ah! I had no idea... I'm annoyed that I have to get new memory, but it'll be good |
| 19:39.13 | xoz | jcole: typing it probably is much faster than looking for the app |
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| 19:39.30 | bozomar | jcole: I don't know any tool like you want, but that doesn't seem so difficult to write 13 line :) |
| 19:39.37 | pen123 | This is my backup |
| 19:39.52 | shingouz | furrywolf: ok.. if you insist on that. you might want to invest into a battry tester, the kind with a huge resistor in it you can find from pep boys |
| 19:39.52 | directhex | hacim, essentially, with sound, you have the following options: bog standard i810 (can only play one sound at once without dmix or a sound server), an emu10k pci card (does hardware sound mixing), or get nforce2 and use nvidia's proprietary nvsound.ko module (unstable, but does sound mixing) |
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| 19:40.20 | furrywolf | shingouz: that's the hard way. I have an easy way. I plug various sized loads into the 1500 watt inverter. :P |
| 19:40.34 | furrywolf | with all three of my 500 watt halogen floods on it, it draws abotu 160 amps. |
| 19:40.38 | pipeline | hacim: BTW, i810 audio sucks terribly independently of the fact that it doesn't do hardware mixing. |
| 19:40.43 | jcole | xoz bozomar: ya, i know, but i always have to fdisk -l and add whenever i set up someone's computer... if hotplug can do usb disks, i don't see why there is not something out there that does internal disks |
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| 19:40.45 | shingouz | furrywolf: that is also acceptable but you do not get any real data out of it that way |
| 19:40.47 | pipeline | hacim: It's just terrible as far as signal to noise ratio |
| 19:41.08 | directhex | pipeline, what is? |
| 19:41.22 | Epix | directhex, can you help me with quake |
| 19:41.26 | hacim | directhex: oh so the ac97 sound chips on those MSI nforce2 ultra boards use nvidia's proprietary sound module? |
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| 19:41.37 | jcole | xoz bozomar: btw, i just added the 13 lines and used auto as partition type |
| 19:41.38 | pen123 | Im still a little fuzzy on that xargs command. It is not in the K & P book |
| 19:41.51 | thully | Recently, Debian changed it's font config files (it uses a conf.d under /etc/fonts now). I had mine set up only to use bitmap fonts that are in fonts/misc - but now that setting doesn't work. How do I fix it? |
| 19:41.54 | greycat | you have K&P? wow. impressive. |
| 19:41.55 | furrywolf | shingouz: I get quite a bit of data. Battery has been happily bubbling for a day, so I can assume it's fully charged. Water levels are good. Plug in a 500 watt lamp (about 50 amps; should be trivial for the battery), and the battery instantly drops from 13v to 11.3v, and reaches 10v about 30 seconds later. That tells me it's completely toasted. :P |
| 19:41.57 | directhex | hacim, you _can_ use nvidia's module, or just use an i810 driver |
| 19:41.58 | pipeline | directhex: AC97 codecs, such as i810 audio. |
| 19:42.04 | hacim | directhex: I really dont want to mess with unstable junk - my last motherboard I'm still messing with the instabilities |
| 19:42.09 | bozomar | jcole: As i know "auto" has some problems, it doesn't work sometimes |
| 19:42.11 | pen123 | good book |
| 19:42.25 | greycat | xargs converts lines of stdin into arguments to a command. |
| 19:42.28 | shingouz | furrywolf: toast as i said :) |
| 19:42.32 | directhex | hacim, i810 won't give some of the more advanced options on the sound - no mixing, and you can't use the dolby digital encoder on mcp-t based nforce 2boards |
| 19:42.32 | jcole | bozomar: works fine for me, i use it alot |
| 19:42.38 | greycat | find produces files (or other things, like directories) one per line |
| 19:42.39 | xoz | jcole: you can create a script.... fdisk -l is a good starting point in your script.. pipe it to a file and add columns of auto directives...not really a big task to write. |
| 19:42.42 | hacim | directhex: so it sounds like I should get an emu10k pci card |
| 19:42.53 | jcole | xoz: ya, done that |
| 19:43.07 | hacim | directhex: I want multiple sounds at once, full-duplex so i can have decent skype quality etc. |
| 19:43.26 | furrywolf | however, the second test I did, it dropped to 11.5 instead of 11.3, and ran the same load for about 5 minutes. This shows quite a sign of improvement. hence why I'm going to cycle it a few more times and see if it keeps improving. |
| 19:43.31 | jonah | so, I asked the question earlier (and on deb-user mailing list), go no responses... here goes again| I need to compile the 3w-9xxx kernel module from the 3ware website with the 2.6.11.7 kernel using make-kpkg. I also need to have that module available on the initrd that is created... but I can't seem to do it |
| 19:43.36 | greycat | pen123: here's a very simple demonstration of xargs: ls | xargs echo three files: |
| 19:43.37 | hacim | directhex: but I am not going to turn myself into a full on music studio or anything |
| 19:43.42 | Epix | anyone willing to help with quake2 join #flood please |
| 19:43.59 | k31th | ? |
| 19:44.02 | greycat | oops, shit. |
| 19:44.06 | greycat | pen123: here's a very simple demonstration of xargs: ls | xargs -n3 echo three files: |
| 19:44.06 | k31th | Epix: help with wat ? |
| 19:44.11 | furrywolf | the battery was left on my automatic charger when it died... bubbled the battery completely dry. took 3 liters of water to refill it. going to see if it recovers or not after more cycles... |
| 19:44.15 | jcole | xoz: on some computers, partiton type id does not match what the partition is actaully formatted to (ie: a fat32 formatted disk has type 83)... so, i have my script auto mount the disk to determine the type |
| 19:44.24 | Epix | k31th, some errors im getting |
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| 19:44.35 | shingouz | jonah: make the kernel without an initrd and compile the driver statically along with the rest of the drivers you need to access your root partition. initrd can be a bitch from time to time |
| 19:44.42 | thully | does anyone know how the new debian font configuration files work (as they changed in sid a while back)? |
| 19:45.03 | directhex | hacim, i'd recommend an emu10k card |
| 19:45.11 | xoz | jcole: so, what more is your problem:) |
| 19:45.30 | thully | There used to just be fonts.conf, local.conf, and fonts.dtd - but now there's this conf.d directory and my custom settings from before don't work :( |
| 19:45.33 | jonah | shingouz: I need to install this kernel across a set of servers, and I'd really like to not have to copy an intird.img to each one after I install the debian package... it just seems like there should be a better way |
| 19:45.50 | shinu | debian installation got stuck... |
| 19:45.57 | greycat | jonah: /msg dpkg kp |
| 19:46.09 | hacim | directhex: k, now just need to narrow down a board |
| 19:46.10 | greycat | jonah: make-kpkg --initrd .... |
| 19:46.35 | shingouz | jonah: that is why i said do not use initrd in the first place, initrd is needed only if you compile all the drivers needed to access the root partition as modules |
| 19:46.38 | jonah | make-kpkg --append-to-version -20050528 --revision 1 --initrd --added-modules /usr/src/3w-9xxx2.6-9.2/3w-9xxx.ko modules |
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| 19:46.49 | greycat | I prefer to avoid initrd too, if I'm going through the hell of building a custom kernel |
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| 19:46.56 | directhex | hacim, anything except the sound blaster ls or sound blaster live 24 bit |
| 19:46.58 | jonah | need the initrd for boot, root partition on 3ware raid arrary |
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| 19:47.07 | greycat | jonah: if you used --initrd, then the initrd image is INSIDE THE DEB package. |
| 19:47.16 | paulswm | Me too, what is the point of building a custom kernel if one doesn't remove initrd |
| 19:47.23 | shingouz | true |
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| 19:47.24 | saabin | in virtualusertable how to forward 1email to 2 other emails. making them with , did not work previosly |
| 19:47.27 | hacim | directhex: those two suck eh? |
| 19:47.34 | jonah | my problem is making the initrd contain the module I need |
| 19:47.38 | directhex | hacim, they're not emu10k. |
| 19:47.49 | jcole | xoz: well, i have a swappable ide tray where i can take a hd someone has given me to look at... but when i get these disks i have to do the whole fdisk -l thing to figure out how the disk is laid out, etc.... instead of doing it like a monkey everytime, i'd like a more automated approach |
| 19:47.53 | streuner | directhex: what kind of music do you prefer? |
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| 19:48.01 | xoz | jonah: compile all the necessary driver static. you don't need the initrd if all the necessary drivers to access your hardware are in the kernel. |
| 19:48.03 | shingouz | jonah: why do you need the initrd in the first place is beyond me |
| 19:48.29 | xoz | jcole: that's why i said create a script file. |
| 19:48.39 | jonah | i need the 3w-9xxx.ko to load, the driver from 3ware.com works much better than the static driver in the kernel |
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| 19:49.03 | valdyn | jonah: arent they identical? |
| 19:49.10 | jonah | can I patch the driver from 3ware.com into the actual kernel? |
| 19:49.13 | jonah | they aren't identical |
| 19:49.13 | shingouz | jonah: well make the 3ware thingie static in the kernel and you do not need the initrd in the first place ffs |
| 19:49.13 | hacim | directhex: so you think the nforce2 chipsets are vastly superior to the via oens? |
| 19:49.20 | directhex | streuner, an ecclectic mix. classical, drill 'n' bass, game music, whatever |
| 19:49.29 | xoz | jonah: then, replace it by patching and compile it static. |
| 19:49.34 | kbs | I'm sure this info is staring me in the face, but I can't get to it :-) I'd like to download/make the right directory structures for me to do the following: debootstrap a fresh install from a different partition on the *same* machine. Ie, in the debootstrap step, how do i create a "replacement" source directory tree for me to use a file:// URL instead of the typical http://http.us.debian... URL |
| 19:49.35 | directhex | hacim, kt600 is close, but no contest for kt400a vs nf2 |
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| 19:49.51 | jcole | xoz: suse does this... i'll ask there and see what app it is... |
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| 19:50.15 | karsten | jcole: cat /proc/partitions |
| 19:50.17 | directhex | streuner, coldplay then adiemus, then aphex twin, then eels. it varies. |
| 19:50.29 | xoz | jcole: i'm sure knoppix does |
| 19:50.31 | karsten | jcole: ...is a partial answer. |
| 19:50.49 | hacim | directhex: what about the kt880? |
| 19:50.54 | streuner | directhex: what kind of music style is this? |
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| 19:52.24 | directhex | hacim, oh, i forgot via made another socket a chipset |
| 19:52.26 | bashusrSE | hey, is there a program to record sound from a soundcard from the console? |
| 19:52.36 | directhex | hacim, let me put it this way, nforce has no pci bus flooding bugs :P |
| 19:52.48 | hacim | directhex: good enough reason for me, I'm sick of those |
| 19:52.51 | onre | bashusrSE, ecasound can do that, and many other tasks too |
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| 19:53.14 | bashusrSE | onre: thx |
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| 19:53.37 | Aronofsky | hi |
| 19:53.51 | directhex | streuner, i don;'t listen to one style. i listen to antying, as long as it doesn't suck. |
| 19:54.03 | Morvok_ | how 'seemlessly' does debian run on all its archs? |
| 19:54.22 | Aronofsky | got a little question, where can we forbidd users to login from sshd ? |
| 19:54.29 | greycat | Aronofsky: man sshd_config |
| 19:54.29 | scorphus | pelase refer to this bug: http://bugs.debian.org/cgi-bin/bugreport.cgi?bug=272581 |
| 19:54.40 | directhex | Morvok_, a few packages are missing from a few arches. |
| 19:54.53 | scorphus | I'm facing the same problem |
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| 19:55.11 | scorphus | can I fix it somehow? |
| 19:55.19 | bozomar | Aronofsky: /etc/ssh/sshd.config |
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| 19:55.39 | Morvok_ | directhex: well thats alright as long as the feel (mostly) and the dev tools are all consistent. |
| 19:56.10 | greycat | Morvok_: the dev tools will be extremely consistent |
| 19:56.13 | cahoot | bashusrSE: if just for testing purpose something like arecord -d hw:0,1 -f cd -t wav a.wav |
| 19:56.30 | directhex | Morvok_, they're largely identical bar a few packages here or there |
| 19:57.00 | jcole | karsten: put ide drive in usb jacket, plug into computer, done (auto-added to fstab) |
| 19:57.08 | Epix | how do i copy a whole directory and its sub dirs to somewhere else? |
| 19:57.11 | Morvok_ | perfect, I run 5 different archs and by sept I will have a ppc64 and ia64 brining me up to 7. :) |
| 19:57.14 | bozomar | Aronofsky: Add AllowUsers to /etc/ssh/sshd_config |
| 19:57.15 | directhex | Epix, cp -r |
| 19:57.19 | greycat | Epix: cp -a |
| 19:57.29 | jcole | karsten: put ide drive in ide sleeve, plug into computer, not done. |
| 19:57.29 | bozomar | And put user names just after that, which you want to allow |
| 19:57.33 | directhex | yeah, -a is probably better |
| 19:57.54 | jonah | ok, so I understand everyone hates initrd, and hey I'm with you there (although now that I think I understand how they work, they don't bother me so much) but lets say you really wanted to get a particular driver that wasn't in the kernel source into an initrd and get that initrd into the package, how would you do it? |
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| 19:58.32 | greycat | jonah: make-kpkg --initrd |
| 19:58.42 | greycat | jonah: make sure the .config is right, of course |
| 19:59.04 | DwyaneWade | hey anyone knows where can i find USB flash drivers for Debian? |
| 19:59.09 | jcole | jonah: vi /etc/mkinitrd/modules (add your modules); mkinitrd |
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| 19:59.10 | viki___ | hi, i have selected some components from dselect, but i havent installed them. Now i dont want to install these selected packages, but this is still selected in dselect to install. How can i reset the selections in dselect? Can anybody help me? |
| 19:59.17 | jonah | greycat: --initrd is creating the initrd but the driver I need is outside the source and isn't getting put in the initrd |
| 19:59.19 | Epix | directhex, ok.. quake2 gives me this error: LoadLibrary("ref_softx.so") failed: No such file or directory |
| 19:59.25 | streuner | directhex: http://radio.c64.org:8000/listen.pls |
| 19:59.41 | jonah | jcole: thx, brb |
| 19:59.43 | greycat | jonah: put it in the source! |
| 19:59.59 | greycat | jonah: beyond that, I have no clue. I don't use initrd if I can help it. |
| 20:00.35 | bozomar | DwyaneWade: Do you have a "driver" problem for your flash drive? |
| 20:01.07 | DwyaneWade | well as i try to mount it it says: mount: I could not determine the filesystem type, and none was specified |
| 20:01.20 | directhex | Epix, file a bug |
| 20:01.36 | bozomar | DwyaneWade: Try to add -t vfat parameter to your mount command |
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| 20:02.31 | xoz | jonah: compile it static not as a module. is it not possible? |
| 20:02.46 | Epix | directhex, you dont know? |
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| 20:02.54 | Atula | hello. |
| 20:02.57 | jonah | xoz: i don't think I can compile it static |
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| 20:03.14 | xoz | jonah: man mkinitrd |
| 20:03.35 | valdyn | jonah: and initrd is just a compressed cram fs i think, so mount the initrd, grab the files, copy those files into a new directory and mkfs.cramfs |
| 20:03.56 | xoz | jonah: place it in /etc/mkinitrd/modules and make a new initrd image |
| 20:04.01 | Atula | correct me if I'm wrong. I feel so uneasy. I installed apache... and all I did was changing the directory or the DocumentRoot... and everything worked correctly. I was wondering... is there more, or it's simple like that? |
| 20:04.04 | jonah | yeah, I can make my own inird, it's just getting make-kpkg to do it |
| 20:04.12 | jcole | jonah: do you have the compiled modules under /lib/modules? |
| 20:04.21 | DwyaneWade | bozomar: what should be the device of the usb? |
| 20:04.27 | saabin | in virtualusertable bc@xyz.cm ..TAB.. email@host1.com email2@host2.com did not work. How to do it? |
| 20:04.29 | jonah | under /lib/modules, yes |
| 20:04.31 | Atula | when things are too simple.... I get nervous... |
| 20:04.33 | DwyaneWade | i mean as hard drives are hda hdb |
| 20:04.39 | bozomar | DwyaneWade: /dev/sda1 |
| 20:04.46 | chealer | Atula: use slackware, or maybe Gentoo |
| 20:05.05 | Atula | chealer, wth? I run Debian.... and it's nice. |
| 20:05.11 | bozomar | DwyaneWade: dmesg help you, type dmesg after you plugged your usb device |
| 20:05.13 | jcole | jonah: ok, you want to load these modules before the filesystem is mounted for what reason? are you trying to usb boot a disk? |
| 20:05.18 | xoz | jonah: have you place the name of your module in /etc/mkinitrd/modules ... and make sure it can be located... configure /etc/mkinitrd/mkinitrd.conf properly to set the location |
| 20:05.18 | greycat | Atula: if you want it to be harder, use Gentoo. I think that's what he meant. |
| 20:05.25 | Atula | oh |
| 20:05.27 | jonah | modules are for the raid controller |
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| 20:05.29 | Atula | I see.. |
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| 20:05.44 | jcole | jonah: gotcha |
| 20:05.44 | chealer | Atula: hehe, that's what I meant indeed |
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| 20:05.49 | jonah | yeah, I'm looking at mkinitrd right now |
| 20:06.05 | Atula | chealer, but that is it right? just change the DocumentRoot and I'm all set? |
| 20:06.09 | chealer | Atula: or ask a real question :) |
| 20:06.23 | Atula | chealer, haha.... how is gentoo more difficult? |
| 20:06.37 | jcole | !gentoo |
| 20:06.37 | dpkg | well, gentoo is a ports-based Linux distro for x86, PowerPC, Sparc, Sparc64. Maybe akin to BSD. Something you don't want to administer more than 2 of. Nice file browser. Its users are gentoobies. See Also http://www.debian.org/News/weekly/2003/44/ http://www.devcave.net/termos/funny/gentoo.htm http://www.funroll-loops.org/, or ask me about 'greenhouse'. bash.org/?464385 |
| 20:06.42 | greycat | !install gentoo |
| 20:06.42 | dpkg | It takes three commands to install Gentoo: http://bash.org/?464385 |
| 20:06.45 | chealer | Atula: depends what you want to do...I didn't do that myself |
| 20:06.50 | xoz | jonah: then mount the initrd image using loop to check if it's loaded |
| 20:07.08 | Atula | chealer, hey man, I'm like the new guy in prison here... I gotta tie my soap to my hand with a rope or I'll surely get it. |
| 20:07.18 | chealer | Atula: it was just a bad joke, so I won't argue that Gentoo is harder, that would be pointless |
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| 20:07.26 | jonah | xoz: yeah, I've been doing that, that's how I know it's not working :-/ |
| 20:07.29 | paulswm | That 'install gentoo' factoid is hilarious |
| 20:07.33 | onre | truly |
| 20:07.45 | Rawplayer | takes days to install |
| 20:07.46 | Rawplayer | \o/ |
| 20:07.48 | Atula | I should learn about gentoo.. |
| 20:07.53 | xoz | jonah: i think you have to specify it in /etc/mkinitrd/modules |
| 20:08.00 | Atula | I heard its more difficult to install crap in gentoo |
| 20:08.06 | xoz | jonah: to be loaded properly |
| 20:08.13 | xuser | What's the command in vi to replace a character with another one? |
| 20:08.21 | paulswm | xuser: 'r' |
| 20:08.22 | directhex | back later, SuperSize me on teevee |
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| 20:08.26 | greycat | Atula: crap seems not to be in short supply in gentoo, from what I gather in other channels |
| 20:08.36 | xoz | jonah: make sure also that the dependency are in the /etc/mkinitrd/modules also |
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| 20:08.49 | xuser | paulswm: oky. |
| 20:08.50 | streuner | directhex: still listening to c64? |
| 20:08.58 | paulswm | xuser: or 'R' .... <ESC> to replace more than one |
| 20:09.01 | chealer | Atula: well, if you ask me, there's no need to learn Gentoo if you already know debian. they're both "generic" distros AFAIK |
| 20:09.11 | directhex | streuner, currently? The Verve. |
| 20:09.24 | Atula | I see. slackware is about the same deal? |
| 20:09.37 | greycat | slackware just sucks. |
| 20:09.39 | Fo | hmm, anybody knows a good howto for sftp chroot ? |
| 20:09.43 | chealer | haha yeah the install gentoo factoid is hilarious indeed. and that's as a second read :D |
| 20:09.45 | greycat | instead of packages, they just have .tar.gz files |
| 20:09.47 | Atula | the reason why I went with Debian was because it's nice... it's not so dumb down like other distros |
| 20:10.10 | Atula | LOL... I see |
| 20:10.22 | xuser | paulswm: ah great. |
| 20:10.30 | Atula | you know, I wonder.... with apt-get in Debian.... is that a bit easier than it used to be? |
| 20:10.39 | Atula | I mean I've only been using computer for 8 years |
| 20:10.42 | greycat | Atula: apt-get was introduced in debian 2.1 |
| 20:10.45 | jonah | xoz: are you familiar with the --added-modules switch under make-kpkg? |
| 20:10.55 | jonah | it _looks_ like it's supposed to do what I want |
| 20:11.17 | jonah | but I'm having trouble figuring out what exactly it wants in /usr/src/modules |
| 20:11.22 | xoz | jonah: nope. but the sure way is to compile it static i guess. |
| 20:11.33 | Atula | I see, is Debian considered to be a more advance distro? I mean.... I pick a harder distro so that I can deal with other distros if the case come up... whe I have to save the world... just like in movies...haha |
| 20:11.36 | paulswm | xuser: my pleasure |
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| 20:11.43 | DwyaneWade | bozomar: it says USB Mass Storage device found at 3 |
| 20:11.43 | DwyaneWade | USB Mass Storage support registered. |
| 20:11.45 | DwyaneWade | in dmesh |
| 20:11.47 | DwyaneWade | dmesg |
| 20:11.51 | DwyaneWade | this means it is sda3? |
| 20:11.58 | bozomar | No |
| 20:12.09 | chealer | !tell Atula about lfs |
| 20:12.14 | DwyaneWade | no it is still sda |
| 20:12.22 | peterS | DwyaneWade: see /proc/partitions |
| 20:12.25 | viki___ | hi, i have selected some components from dselect, but i havent installed them. Now i dont want to install these selected packages, but these are still selected in dselect to install. How can i reset the selections in dselect? Can anybody help me? |
| 20:12.28 | chealer | Atula: linux from scratch is what you want :) |
| 20:12.32 | bozomar | DwyaneWade: Just use this: mount /dev/sda1 /mount_point |
| 20:12.33 | DwyaneWade | it doesn't say which sda it is |
| 20:12.38 | DwyaneWade | i also have USB mouse conencted |
| 20:12.43 | Atula | hell no... thats way too hard... haha... |
| 20:12.50 | Atula | does anyone even do that anymore? |
| 20:12.52 | DwyaneWade | but it saw the 260MB size of the Mass storage device |
| 20:13.07 | amphi | DwyaneWade: sda1 perchance? |
| 20:13.19 | amphi | DwyaneWade: fdisk -l /dev/sda otherwise |
| 20:13.24 | bozomar | DwyaneWade: If it's give file system error try this: mount -t vfat /dev/sda1 /mount_point |
| 20:13.27 | xoz | viki___: maybe, aptitude is better alternative or apt-get? |
| 20:13.36 | Atula | I mean.... what's the concensus now a day? I tried RedHat.. I thought it was really just being like Windows... of course I only know the top level... |
| 20:13.36 | DwyaneWade | yes i did |
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| 20:13.57 | Atula | Debian is know for being harder to use... |
| 20:13.57 | Delph | Atula: lfs is the way forward. |
| 20:14.00 | DwyaneWade | and in the flash folder which it sees as having 247 MB and i suppose is ok |
| 20:14.08 | DwyaneWade | i can't seem to be able to write anything |
| 20:14.19 | Atula | Delph, you sure man... don't trick a young person here.. it's a sin |
| 20:14.25 | greycat | Atula: it's only "known for being hard" among retards. |
| 20:14.28 | Delph | Atula: really? |
| 20:14.33 | Delph | i've got to go and find that US state then. |
| 20:14.34 | Atula | LOL |
| 20:14.42 | Atula | you guys all prefer Debian, why? |
| 20:14.51 | greycat | Atula: e.g., if you can't spell "you" or "thanks", you probably aren't ready for Debian. |
| 20:14.58 | greycat | !why debian |
| 20:14.58 | dpkg | http://www.debian.org/intro/why_debian or at http://snowcrash.tdyc.com/articles/imoore2.html or at http://www.linuxplanet.com/linuxplanet/reviews/2204/1/ or http://people.debian.org/~srivasta/talks/why_debian/ |
| 20:15.07 | DwyaneWade | i mean i copy using cp in console |
| 20:15.16 | DwyaneWade | and when i open the window in gnome it shows the file |
| 20:15.17 | DwyaneWade | i click on it |
| 20:15.21 | DwyaneWade | and it disapears |
| 20:15.22 | Atula | I like the fact that it's let me have a clean install on things... since I'm very neat with everything... |
| 20:15.38 | bozomar | DwyaneWade: Because you've mounted it as root |
| 20:15.40 | DwyaneWade | apparently there is some problem |
| 20:15.50 | greycat | DwyaneWade: so don't run gnome. |
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| 20:16.06 | viki___ | xoz: usually i use apt-get install, to install packages, but i would like to know, how can i reset the selections in dselect |
| 20:16.12 | bozomar | DwyaneWade: Add a line to /etc/fstab and allow user's to mount it |
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| 20:16.33 | Atula | apt-get install shower food longasspapertowrite |
| 20:17.05 | Atula | thanks for the conversation greycat chealer and Delph |
| 20:17.07 | Atula | good day. |
| 20:17.19 | xoz | viki___: the brute way. the moment you go to the window about installing the items, dselect them... since it is recursive, you'll have to retrace your steps until you clear the mess you made ;) |
| 20:17.21 | greycat | Atula: error: package longasspapertowrite conflicts with: sleep, girlfriend, video-games |
| 20:17.43 | chealer | Atula: heh... see you when you'll save us |
| 20:17.43 | digibox | hey furrywolf you here? |
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| 20:18.04 | DwyaneWade | i mounted it as user in a different point |
| 20:18.06 | DwyaneWade | and same thing |
| 20:18.15 | digibox | hey chealer |
| 20:18.15 | DwyaneWade | it sees the file copied as Unkonown type |
| 20:18.17 | DwyaneWade | i click on it |
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| 20:18.21 | DwyaneWade | and disappears |
| 20:18.35 | greycat | clicking? what's that? |
| 20:18.38 | chealer | hey digibox |
| 20:18.40 | viki___ | xoz: isnt there any other way? |
| 20:18.51 | bozomar | DwyaneWade: Does this files has a special characters? I mean some non-english characters |
| 20:19.04 | DwyaneWade | no is a simple text file i created |
| 20:19.26 | DwyaneWade | the text in it is: 192.168.0.1 1 |
| 20:19.28 | greycat | DwyaneWade: does "cat filename" work? |
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| 20:19.35 | Atula | LOL.... my girl's at Yale... I'm in Mass.... sleep... well... I've done that for the last 16 hours or so.... games... I am running Debian on a Thinkpad600 in dorm because of that... I mean I had heachache using my P4 3Gig 1gig o Ram at home.... man... it's depressing... I used to have all the power for games... then Warcaft 3 really killed the GPA.. gosh man... it's so SAD!!! |
| 20:19.36 | DwyaneWade | so only some digits and dot and blank |
| 20:19.59 | bozomar | DwyaneWade: Their names? |
| 20:20.01 | DwyaneWade | greycat: yes it does |
| 20:20.07 | greycat | DwyaneWade: then it's a gnome error. have fun. |
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| 20:20.28 | greycat | did I mention "don't run gnome" yet? I thought I did.... |
| 20:20.28 | Atula | now... with a 200mh... it's a healthy lifestyle.... I can't get so much porn like I used to be able to... so there's more time to work.... and still gosh... |
| 20:20.38 | DwyaneWade | so what should i run? |
| 20:20.47 | greycat | !wm |
| 20:20.47 | dpkg | to set your system-wide default window manager, use "update-alternatives --config x-window-manager". or "update-alternatives --config x-session-manager" For your personal WM, use ~/.xsession if you use xdm or kdm (or gdm with a "Debian session") 'startx' reads .xsession or .xinitrc; "apt-cache showpkg x-window-manager" will give you a list of available WMs. |
| 20:20.50 | greycat | !window manager |
| 20:20.50 | dpkg | i heard window manager is includes: 9wm, aewm, afterstep, amaterus, amiwm, asclassic, blackbox, ctwm, cwwm, enlightenment, evilwm, fluxbox, flwm, fvwm, icewm, ion, kwin, larswm, lwm, matchbox, metacity, nawm, olvwm, olwm, openbox, oroborus, plwm, pwm, qvwm, ratpoison, sapphire, sawfish, twm, uwm, vtwm, w9wm, waimea, windows-el, wininfo, wm2, wmaker, and xfwm4. TWIN (Text mode). Pickers: selectwm and wmanager. No WM-picker-picker. Yet. |
| 20:20.56 | budluva | ok, i upgraded my kernel last night from 2.6.8 to 2.6.11 and now i dont have sound...anyone know why that might be? |
| 20:21.04 | karsten | !tell DwyaneWade about best wm |
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| 20:21.16 | greycat | budluva: put the working kernel back. |
| 20:21.21 | DwyaneWade | well i never chose gnome |
| 20:21.48 | streuner | budluva: badgers? |
| 20:21.48 | greycat | arrrrrrgh! it's a tasksel user! |
| 20:21.48 | karsten | budluva: ...and back away slowly. |
| 20:21.48 | DwyaneWade | i just chose Desktop environment at my Net install menu |
| 20:21.48 | Atula | sudo makemegostartmyday_it's freakin' 4 in the afternoon... gosh... it's that late already??? |
| 20:21.48 | DwyaneWade | and it came with gnome |
| 20:21.48 | digibox | cat wget doesn't tell me information on this but does wget check for duplicate files? |
| 20:21.48 | Atula | late, y'all |
| 20:21.50 | streuner | budluva: what error do you get running 'xmms' or whatever? |
| 20:21.50 | karsten | digibox: Yes. |
| 20:21.51 | budluva | streuner, badgers? |
| 20:21.52 | xoz | viki___: none that i know... dselect is powerful but you've got to be very knowldgeable about what you are doing... that's why there are apt-get, synaptic, and aptitude to smoothen the process of installation. |
| 20:21.56 | digibox | kk |
| 20:21.56 | bozomar | DwyaneWade: I've no problem with gnome and flash drives |
| 20:22.09 | karsten | digibox: '-c' to continue a download. If the files have changed (remote/local), remove / rename the local file first. |
| 20:22.16 | budluva | streuner, i dont get an error, it seems to play fine, just nothing comes out, i've cranked all volume in alsamixer and still nothing |
| 20:22.20 | karsten | digibox: wget will version files. file, file.1, file.2, etc. |
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| 20:22.37 | DwyaneWade | this is Twinmos Mobile Disk III |
| 20:22.47 | greycat | wget -c is a dialup user's best friend. |
| 20:22.49 | DwyaneWade | and they don't offer much support on their website |
| 20:22.55 | streuner | budluva: is the module loaded for your soundcard? |
| 20:23.03 | digibox | so I can have wget go through a site getting only *.jpg and *.gif and only get the newer files and not duplicate named files |
| 20:23.03 | bozomar | DwyaneWade: Can you use your drive on console, try to write your drive on console and see if it's not permission problem |
| 20:23.04 | DwyaneWade | i tend to believe twinmos are not very serious |
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| 20:23.23 | budluva | streuner, yeah, snd_via82xx |
| 20:23.24 | jaiger | can anyone guide me through getting my Palm to sync via IR on sarge kernel 2.6.8 |
| 20:23.32 | DwyaneWade | yes bozomar it works |
| 20:23.36 | streuner | budluva: run 'alsaconf' |
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| 20:23.38 | DwyaneWade | i copied a file in midnight commander |
| 20:23.41 | jaiger | I think I'm stuck on udev stuff |
| 20:23.43 | DwyaneWade | and viewed it |
| 20:23.45 | DwyaneWade | no problem |
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| 20:24.05 | budluva | streuner, hrmm no alsaconf as su |
| 20:24.10 | bozomar | DwyaneWade: Copied from your flash disk to your hdd? |
| 20:24.39 | jtaylor | i need to include the module raid1 in an initrd but it is trying to insmod md-personality-3 . I think i need to alias md-personality-3 raid1. Is it possible to do this with an initrd? |
| 20:24.41 | DwyaneWade | yes that works too |
| 20:24.45 | DwyaneWade | i mean only that simple text file |
| 20:24.50 | DwyaneWade | but i suppose it works for all |
| 20:24.54 | shinu | did anyone recommend damn small linux to me a few hours ago? |
| 20:24.54 | budluva | streuner, alsa-base and alsa-utils wasnt installed??? im getting it now, but thats not right as i had alsa setup last time |
| 20:24.58 | bozomar | DwyaneWade: I mean that you can write your flash drive? |
| 20:25.05 | budluva | streuner, xmms was working fine last night with alsa |
| 20:25.27 | DwyaneWade | bozomar: yes i write on it then copy from flash to hard disk and the file remains unchanged |
| 20:25.35 | streuner | budluva: seems that you overwrite something |
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| 20:25.58 | viki___ | how can i install raidtools2? apt-get said that this package was obsoleted or missing |
| 20:26.12 | viki___ | û? |
| 20:26.14 | viki___ | ? |
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| 20:26.21 | bozomar | DwyaneWade: So it seems nautilus problem, i couldn't say anything :( |
| 20:27.04 | krisg | hi how can i install http://packages.debian.org/unstable/libs/libwxgtk2.5.3 |
| 20:27.04 | chealer | viki___: you need 5 question marks to get an answer |
| 20:27.04 | budluva | streuner, still nothing |
| 20:27.04 | DwyaneWade | well i don't really need the flash to be working on linux |
| 20:27.04 | viki___ | sorry... (??) |
| 20:27.04 | streuner | budluva: so 'alsaconf' runs fine? |
| 20:27.06 | DwyaneWade | but it doesn't work on my windows since few days ago |
| 20:27.15 | DwyaneWade | the usb ports are good as pritner photo camera and mouse all work |
| 20:27.24 | budluva | streuner, yeah |
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| 20:27.40 | chealer | viki___: bug 298968 should give a clue |
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| 20:27.51 | chealer | viki___: "critically buggy, dead upstream, alternative exists" |
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| 20:28.17 | K_Dallas | wierd internet connection: DSL connection, run pon dsl-provider, after a while some of the programs stop working like my email or browser while others are still connected. i do poff -a and pon again and they work! what is wrong with it? Thanks |
| 20:28.35 | chealer | viki___: now if you have a followup question, you'll need 10 question marks |
| 20:29.02 | streuner | budluva: in which DE are you? |
| 20:29.16 | budluva | DE? |
| 20:29.26 | streuner | budluva: GNOME or KDE? |
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| 20:29.35 | greycat | as if those were the only 2 choices. |
| 20:29.36 | budluva | gnome |
| 20:29.45 | viki___ | chealer: :) and can i install software raid, without raidtools? |
| 20:29.57 | DwyaneWade | bozomar: when i press F10 to exit MC from console the console menu opens instead of quitting MC |
| 20:30.05 | streuner | budluva: ok, kill ESD :-) |
| 20:30.09 | lord_rob | HI ! If I add "deb http://ftp.us.debian.org/debian/ ../project/experimental main contrib non-free" in my sources.list, won't my system be upgraded with experimental packages automatically (I wouldn't like that to happen) ? |
| 20:30.12 | chealer | viki___: most likely, since it says there are alternatives. I'd check the bug first |
| 20:30.17 | DwyaneWade | the shortcut of gnome has priority? |
| 20:30.19 | budluva | streuner, and how would i go about doing that? |
| 20:30.22 | bozomar | DwyaneWade: Close console keyboard shortcuts |
| 20:30.44 | bozomar | DwyaneWade: Edit>Keyboard Shortcuts |
| 20:30.58 | DwyaneWade | yes |
| 20:31.04 | DwyaneWade | i disabled onyl F10 |
| 20:31.04 | streuner | budluva: look at the preferences window or such in GNOME, and disable ESD |
| 20:31.26 | bozomar | DwyaneWade: ok, so it's what you wand isn't it? |
| 20:32.06 | DwyaneWade | yes i just didn't know about the possibility of closing them |
| 20:32.16 | DwyaneWade | also if the flash is sda1 |
| 20:32.26 | DwyaneWade | the mouse also on usb isn't assigned to any device? |
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| 20:34.11 | bozomar | DwyaneWade: yes, for mouse /dev/input/mice |
| 20:34.13 | greycat | DwyaneWade: /msg dpkg usbmouse |
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| 20:34.55 | nvrmind | ah man, ksirc bugs me. Is there anything like mirc on debian? |
| 20:35.10 | greycat | nvrmind: uh.... try xchat? |
| 20:35.12 | K_Dallas | xchat, kvirc |
| 20:35.13 | are_j | try xchat |
| 20:35.15 | Delph | nvrmind: your mirc license key will still work with mirc under wine. |
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| 20:35.22 | DwyaneWade | you presumed it didn't see he flash in gnome because i had mounted it as root |
| 20:35.24 | nvrmind | thx |
| 20:35.26 | budluva | streuner, ok logout/login didnt seem to help |
| 20:35.27 | DwyaneWade | isn't recommended to mount as root? |
| 20:35.31 | darkcmd | xchat is excellent, I'm using it now |
| 20:35.34 | budluva | streuner, and i still cant figure out how to kill esd |
| 20:35.43 | DwyaneWade | also Nautilus has problems mounting my fat32 partitions |
| 20:35.47 | greycat | DwyaneWade: /msg dpkg vfatrw /msg dpkg user accessible vfat |
| 20:35.51 | DwyaneWade | same Unkown type problems |
| 20:36.16 | streuner | budluva: run 'xmms' in shell and tell us the output |
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| 20:36.54 | budluva | libmikmod.so.2: cannot open shared object file: No such file or directory |
| 20:37.16 | darkcmd | GNOME 2.8.x will most likely be in Sarge when it freezes correct? |
| 20:37.18 | streuner | budluva: just ignore that |
| 20:37.25 | chealer | darkcmd: it will |
| 20:37.31 | darkcmd | ok |
| 20:37.37 | DwyaneWade | yes greycat but even presuming i had no rights to access the files at least it shouldn't have shown Unkown type |
| 20:37.40 | budluva | streuner, thats the only output |
| 20:37.50 | darkcmd | whats the difference between 2.8.0, 2.8.1, and 2.8.2 and 2.8.3? |
| 20:38.05 | streuner | budluva: if you using mpg321 or such, do you get any sound then? |
| 20:38.17 | darkcmd | because when Sarge freezes I plan on installing that, rather than keeping on with testing... because I like my current Sarge setup |
| 20:38.40 | greycat | DwyaneWade: I can't help you with any of these evil gui things. if "cat file" worked, the OS is happy and you have permissions. |
| 20:38.46 | greycat | (at least read perms) |
| 20:39.41 | bozomar | greycat: cat only shows read permission is alright, |
| 20:39.47 | budluva | streuner, no, still nothing, no errors though |
| 20:39.54 | greycat | bozomar: and +x on the directory |
| 20:40.17 | streuner | budluva: ok, what happens if you using the 'old' kernel, does it work then? |
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| 20:40.43 | bozomar | greycat: If a folder mounted by root, nautilus doesn't show dir contents, just gives file/dir names |
| 20:40.51 | DwyaneWade | that's what i said. now MC, as i try to copy a file with F5, says: Cannot chwon target file "/mnt/flash/crc/c" Operation not permitted (1) Skip Retry Abort |
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| 20:40.55 | dsl679 | hey all |
| 20:40.58 | davw | i'm having trouble with ati drivers and multi-head display on debian unstable. At first I was using the debian included ati drivers, and everything displayed fine but was cloned on both screens, i had a look at XF86Config-4 but I couldn't work out how to do multi-head display. Next I installed ati's fglrx drivers which, after some work, gave me display on only one screen even after i had used the included fglrxconfig to set up multiple. Also opengl is |
| 20:40.58 | davw | now no longer hardware accellerated. |
| 20:41.05 | darkcmd | ok... when Sarge becomes stable.. what are they going to do.. freeze all the current packages.. and such.. and move them to stable in the repo... and make the installer disks and such? |
| 20:41.06 | DwyaneWade | and if i choose abort it still copies the file very well |
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| 20:41.10 | DwyaneWade | so it's spooky |
| 20:41.20 | greycat | bozomar: uh... isn't "file/dir names" the same as "dir contents"? |
| 20:41.38 | davw | unfortunately i can no longer revert to the old because i (stupidly?) used alien and dpkg --force-overwrite to install the fglrx drivers |
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| 20:42.06 | budluva | streuner, is there anyway i can easliy switch back to old kernel instead of apt-get installing the old kernel image? |
| 20:42.13 | bozomar | greycat: I mean, you can't see any subfolders, even if a name in directory is a folder name or not, it just says unknown file type |
| 20:42.15 | greycat | davw: dpkg --purge --force-depends xserver-xfree86; apt-get install xserver-xfree86 |
| 20:42.20 | valdyn | darkcmd: the stable symlink will point to sarge, the testing symlink will point to etch |
| 20:42.33 | streuner | budluva: what does 'dpkg -l libc6 | tail -1' say? |
| 20:42.41 | davw | greycat: is that to reinstall the x server from scratch? |
| 20:42.46 | greycat | davw: yes |
| 20:42.49 | Aronofsky | hi |
| 20:42.50 | darkcmd | ok |
| 20:42.57 | darkcmd | all they do is freeze the packages? |
| 20:43.11 | Justin | fglrxconfig is a peice of shit.. it is like xf86config from XFree86 3.3 |
| 20:43.21 | valdyn | darkcmd: freeze is done before release already |
| 20:43.22 | nvrmind | What is the easiest way to tell if a phone modem is recognize/functional? |
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| 20:43.33 | greycat | nvrmind: minicom |
| 20:43.33 | darkcmd | ok |
| 20:43.39 | nvrmind | thx |
| 20:43.41 | bozomar | budluva: Did you remove old kernel? |
| 20:43.50 | darkcmd | so every package in sarge is frozen.. they don't do rebuilds of them or anything |
| 20:43.57 | Aronofsky | got a question, juste installed apache2 ans when I launch it it create at least 30 or 40 '/usr/sbin/apache2 -k start -DSSL' processes , is it normal ? |
| 20:44.07 | davw | i'd better close X then |
| 20:44.15 | darkcmd | they just take all the packages in the repo.. and allow no more changes to them |
| 20:44.15 | darkcmd | right |
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| 20:45.17 | valdyn | darkcmd: right, except for severe bugs / security holes |
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| 20:46.13 | budluva | streuner, ii libc6 2.3.2.ds1-21 GNU C Library: Shared libraries and Timezone |
| 20:46.28 | budluva | bozomar, all i did was apt-get install the new kernel |
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| 20:46.38 | DeathWolf | once i update the grub config file, should i run any command, like for lilo(where when you install a new kernel/change config you have to run liloconfig) |
| 20:46.40 | streuner | budluva: check out BTS |
| 20:46.52 | budluva | bozomar, "I" never removed old kernel |
| 20:47.04 | budluva | bts? |
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| 20:47.47 | bozomar | budluva: So you should see /vmlinuz*.old |
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| 20:48.21 | budluva | bozomar, ya, old kernel is still there |
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| 20:48.31 | budluva | add /vmlinuz.old to my lilo.conf? |
| 20:48.47 | davw | greycat: im still distinctly lacking in hardware accelleration and multi-screenage |
| 20:48.49 | bozomar | budluva: Also initrd.img.old |
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| 20:49.26 | budluva | bozomar, its already in there |
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| 20:50.17 | bozomar | budluva: Yes, and if it'll work move your current vmlinuz and initrd.img files as .old and remove .old from your old kernel |
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| 20:50.35 | budluva | can i boot to those .old images? |
| 20:50.45 | budluva | or do i have to rename before i try and load them? |
| 20:50.51 | budluva | Added Linux * |
| 20:50.51 | budluva | Added LinuxOLD |
| 20:51.00 | streuner | budluva: WHY the fuck you are running unstable? |
| 20:51.26 | budluva | streuner, 2.6.11 is unstable? |
| 20:51.28 | digibox | some reason I cannot DL the business CD installer |
| 20:51.34 | bozomar | budluva: OK, just try it before renaming that files, if everything went fine then do that |
| 20:51.35 | streuner | budluva: yes |
| 20:51.36 | greycat | !kernel of instability |
| 20:51.36 | dpkg | Linux 2.6. "Andrew's vision, as expressed at the summit, is that the mainline kernel will be the fastest and most feature-rich kernel around, but not, necessarily, the most stable. Final stabilization is to be done by distributors (as happens now, really)..." <http://kerneltrap.org/node/view/3513>, or http://kerneltrap.org/node/4793 (new 2.6 numbering scheme - proposal) |
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| 20:52.02 | K_Dallas | I need to install GTK1.2+ but under synaptic i fail to find it, there are gtk-engines which are themes but where is gtk itself? Thanks |
| 20:52.23 | digibox | am I the only one having problems with the website for DLing the business cd installer? |
| 20:52.26 | budluva | streuner, whats unstable, 2.6.11 or the whole 2.6 kernel? |
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| 20:52.33 | streuner | greycat: he didn't even know what version of debian he already running... |
| 20:52.35 | darkcmd | you mean like the files to compile gtk apps? |
| 20:52.41 | meth | run |
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| 20:52.45 | darkcmd | In my opinion the 2.6 branch is unstable |
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| 20:52.52 | darkcmd | it seems like 2.5 |
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| 20:53.00 | greycat | !darkcmd++ |
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| 20:53.19 | darkcmd | greycat, huh? |
| 20:53.22 | budluva | streuner, no i knew i was running 2.6.8, i didnt know 2.6 was unstable, so your telling me to go back to 2.4 or what? |
| 20:53.25 | greycat | !karma darkcmd |
| 20:53.25 | dpkg | darkcmd has karma of 1 |
| 20:53.41 | greycat | budluva: stay with the kernel that works. |
| 20:53.47 | streuner | budluva: according to kernel.org 2.3, 2.5 and next time 2.7 are the unstable kernels... |
| 20:54.03 | DwyaneWade | greycat: isn't under debian some kind of disk doctor or speed disk something like that? |
| 20:54.04 | greycat | streuner: and according to Andrew, 2.6 ain't stable neither. |
| 20:54.12 | digibox | !karma greycat |
| 20:54.12 | dpkg | greycat has karma of 48 |
| 20:54.14 | streuner | greycat: well |
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| 20:54.30 | digibox | !karma digibox |
| 20:54.30 | dpkg | digibox has neutral karma |
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| 20:54.34 | digibox | :o |
| 20:54.44 | K_Dallas | do i need to be identified to post here? |
| 20:54.56 | chealer | K_Dallas: no |
| 20:54.56 | thingfish | K_Dallas: evidently not. |
| 20:54.56 | davw | K_Dallas: apparently not |
| 20:54.58 | darkcmd | 2.6 seems to get things that most developers would slip into the testing branch, 2.6 is being treated like a testing branch, which it should not be. It is supposed to be a stable release. |
| 20:55.05 | davw | hehe, we all thought the same |
| 20:55.10 | K_Dallas | ok so you got my previous question :) i was just wondering |
| 20:55.12 | thingfish | great minds... |
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| 20:55.16 | GooZ | xD |
| 20:55.24 | K_Dallas | but i am identified now anyways ;) |
| 20:55.38 | GooZ | cluster of minds here lol |
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| 20:55.42 | K_Dallas | lol |
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| 20:56.00 | keenan | which floppy image should i download to install sarge on a powerbook 3400? |
| 20:56.03 | K_Dallas | so how do i install gtk fo sarge? |
| 20:56.10 | K_Dallas | for* |
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| 20:56.27 | phaedral | K_Dallas: hope you're wearing asbestos |
| 20:56.31 | keenan | the docs refer to a boot-floppy-hfs.img but i can't find it |
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| 20:56.48 | K_Dallas | why phaedral ? ;) |
| 20:56.48 | darkcmd | libgmime2.1 2.1.13-1 seems to be broken |
| 20:56.49 | davw | K_Dallas: is it under libgtk instead of gtk? |
| 20:57.00 | K_Dallas | oh! that is it them |
| 20:57.01 | darkcmd | i try to do an apt-get install balsa, and it cannot get that file |
| 20:57.03 | davw | a quick apt-cache seems to show that |
| 20:57.04 | K_Dallas | then* let me check |
| 20:57.05 | DwyaneWade | is there some kind of check disk in Deian? |
| 20:57.31 | Delph | DwyaneWade: there's some sort of scary fsck type program |
| 20:57.51 | agd5f | has anyone set up an emulex fibre channel controller? |
| 20:57.54 | K_Dallas | davw, very well, i have them installed already :) thanks |
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| 20:58.24 | K_Dallas | (i am trying to build mplayer and all its stuff, pretty confusing;) |
| 20:58.27 | tuxyRochefort | hi. wich software can i use to record video and sound and the same time, from a webcam, to make some small movies ? |
| 20:58.39 | K_Dallas | koni? maybe |
| 20:58.49 | K_Dallas | havent tried it myself tho |
| 20:58.59 | phaedral | i've heard tell there's a k____ix method, called something like "debhelper" that isn't considered completely evil... |
| 20:59.08 | DrD | ok when compiling the kernel, am getting: make[4]" *** [drivers/char/drm/gama_drv.o] Error 1 <--- any ideas ? |
| 20:59.32 | DwyaneWade | Delph: yes but that's for file system |
| 20:59.38 | DwyaneWade | isn't some program for maintenance |
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| 20:59.42 | DwyaneWade | like defragmenting |
| 20:59.45 | DwyaneWade | check for errors |
| 20:59.46 | DwyaneWade | etc? |
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| 21:00.02 | darkcmd | chances are, when Debian Sarge freezes, will it pretty much be like it is now |
| 21:00.13 | darkcmd | or is there going to be heavy updating soon? |
| 21:00.18 | paulswm | DwyaneWade: fsck like Delph said to check for fs errors, no need to defragment |
| 21:00.27 | darkcmd | from what I have read, it seems to be ending its cycle on updating |
| 21:00.49 | bluecow | ls |
| 21:00.54 | DwyaneWade | paulswm: but if oyu install loads of programs doesn't the Linux pratition end up in looking like a totally fragmented windows partition? |
| 21:00.55 | bluecow | oops wrong window |
| 21:00.59 | DwyaneWade | that's how i imagine it |
| 21:01.05 | phaedral | K_Dallas: this is the mellowest discussion of sarge i've ever seen |
| 21:01.07 | phaedral | :) |
| 21:01.50 | chealer | damn, still 99 sarge RC bugs. not moving since weeks :| |
| 21:01.55 | paulswm | DwyaneWade: I assume you're probably using ext2 or ext3, and the answer is no. |
| 21:02.19 | abrotman | tarzeau: ping ! |
| 21:02.24 | darkcmd | so sarge will not be freezing anytime soon? |
| 21:02.33 | abrotman | darkcmd: is it cold in hell? |
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| 21:03.18 | bluecow | my x is semi-broken and reinstalling doesnt help |
| 21:03.24 | paulswm | DwyaneWade: It all boils down to the way a filesystem allocates blocks to a file, you can google and read up on the filesystem if you wish to find out more, there may be a HOWTO also |
| 21:03.32 | DrD | ok when compiling the kernel, am getting: make[4]" *** [drivers/char/drm/gama_drv.o] Error 1 <--- any ideas ? |
| 21:03.54 | bluecow | how can i rid myself of ati's drivers permanently, or at least get them working properly? |
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| 21:04.00 | valdyn | DrD: google it |
| 21:04.10 | abrotman | DrD: vague ? |
| 21:04.25 | darkcmd | so no one has any estimates? |
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| 21:04.33 | valdyn | DrD: you shouldnt be compiling a kernel if you didnt find that error on google yet |
| 21:04.37 | abrotman | darkcmd: look for an update from the RM in a few days |
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| 21:04.50 | ribnitz | hello |
| 21:05.01 | darkcmd | RM? |
| 21:05.08 | ribnitz | Automagic conversion of html4.01 to xhtml1 ? |
| 21:05.22 | abrotman | Release Manager |
| 21:05.26 | abrotman | !tell darkcmd about wwsr |
| 21:05.31 | bluecow | ribnitz: what about it? |
| 21:05.33 | DrD | abrotman: whats vague ? |
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| 21:05.42 | abrotman | darkcmd: that info has the URL of the last update |
| 21:05.45 | abrotman | DrD: ignore me |
| 21:05.47 | budluva | streuner, ok back to 2.6.8 sound is workin fine |
| 21:05.54 | DrD | valdyn: do u thin removing the file will solve it ? |
| 21:05.56 | budluva | streuner, thanks for the help |
| 21:06.01 | darkcmd | ok |
| 21:06.01 | ribnitz | bluecow: I have a bunch of pages in the first form, and I want them converted to the second form? |
| 21:06.01 | DwyaneWade | is there any way to reinstall nautilus? |
| 21:06.05 | paulswm | !prise abrotman |
| 21:06.09 | streuner | budluva: go to BTS |
| 21:06.16 | abrotman | !prize paulswm |
| 21:06.25 | streuner | budluva: and check out what's the problem |
| 21:06.31 | abrotman | !maul paulswm |
| 21:06.33 | paulswm | !win abrotman |
| 21:06.33 | dpkg | Congratulations, abrotman! You have won the time-life collection of vintage AOL CDs, a set of 120! |
| 21:06.46 | bluecow | ribnitz: write a perl script for it, and is that really a debian-related question |
| 21:07.14 | ribnitz | bluecow: I was more hoping someone had already done so, and debianized it. |
| 21:07.16 | valdyn | DrD: no, but i have no idea what the details of this error are, just know its a bug in some recent 2.6.x kernel |
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| 21:07.30 | budluva | streuner, search for alsa-base? |
| 21:07.36 | Pappa | wtf |
| 21:07.42 | ribnitz | linux automatic html translation |
| 21:07.42 | Pappa | no cobol compilers in apt? |
| 21:07.56 | bluecow | ribnitz: google it |
| 21:07.58 | streuner | budluva: kernel-image-2.6.x issue |
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| 21:09.01 | bluecow | brb, im off to try and reinstall x again |
| 21:09.03 | ribnitz | Pappa: Cobol has been outdated for how long? |
| 21:09.09 | bozomar | DwyaneWade: apt-get install --reinstall nautilus |
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| 21:09.52 | Atula | where's the file to change sudo's time span? I want it to be longer.... |
| 21:10.02 | jonas22 | during debian install it asks you to pick a mirror for apt, is there a way to get to that curses interface again? |
| 21:10.11 | abrotman | jonas22: apt-setup |
| 21:10.23 | jonas22 | abrotman, thanks.. shoulda probably found that one eh? ^_^ |
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| 21:10.55 | bluecow | Atula: man sudo |
| 21:11.24 | DrD | hmm Q: if I just want to recompikle my exisiting kernel without upgrading it to a new one using my edited .config file, what should I do ? |
| 21:11.25 | Pappa | ribnitz: uhm.. no? |
| 21:11.42 | ribnitz | Pappa: I have never heard of a cobol compiler. |
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| 21:11.53 | Pappa | there's tinycobol, but it sucks |
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| 21:12.18 | paulswm | Pappa: There is TinyCOBOL for Linux, not tried it myself, see http://tiny-cobol.sourceforge.net/index.php |
| 21:12.28 | paulswm | Pappa: Heh, nm |
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| 21:12.50 | abrotman | Pappa: ask IBM if they have one ? |
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| 21:13.14 | Pappa | syntax of tinycobol is messy, it has arguments and crap |
| 21:13.16 | Pappa | IBM? |
| 21:13.20 | abrotman | !ibm |
| 21:13.20 | dpkg | methinks ibm is International Business Machines - a very spiffy company - who happens to make AIX, OS/400, OS/2, and other cool operating systems, not to mention some of the most superior hardware on the market.. I Blame Microsoft. I Buy Macintosh |
| 21:13.29 | abrotman | you know .. IBM |
| 21:13.36 | jonas22 | the sarge installer was very impressive |
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| 21:13.45 | paulswm | Pappa: There are commercial COBOL compilers for Linux, I believe, if you want to buy one |
| 21:14.16 | abrotman | i can't believe people still sell those :) |
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| 21:14.31 | paulswm | abrotman: COBOL is still widespread |
| 21:14.34 | abrotman | that's like .. selling a C compiler |
| 21:14.38 | thingfish | well, everything in debian is pretty impressive, jonas22 ;) |
| 21:14.38 | ribnitz | abrotman: "Migration Strategy".. |
| 21:14.45 | abrotman | paulswm: i know it is .. but it's not ... "hot" .. |
| 21:14.45 | DrD | hmm Q: if I just want to recompikle my exisiting kernel without upgrading it to a new one using my edited .config file, what should I do ? |
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| 21:14.59 | abrotman | paulswm: i learned cobol at uni . and i'm what . a little more than half your age? |
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| 21:15.20 | ness | goodevening |
| 21:15.24 | abrotman | paulswm: i just thought by now they'd be giving them away |
| 21:15.27 | ribnitz | abrotman: what do you need cobol for, nowadays? |
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| 21:15.40 | abrotman | ribnitz: i don't .. big corps do .. espeically those that handle money |
| 21:15.44 | Pappa | cobol is used for 40% of buisess projects according to this "super website". |
| 21:15.50 | Pappa | buisness* |
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| 21:15.54 | jonas22 | usually people think of apt as the good part, but the installer worked painlessly on a 1u scsi raid system and that made me very happy |
| 21:16.03 | simonrvn | business |
| 21:16.06 | thingfish | cool |
| 21:16.10 | abrotman | 40% is a bit much .. but there's A LOT of cobol left over from the last 30 years or so |
| 21:16.11 | caphuso | Pappa: from when is that page, 1993? |
| 21:16.38 | abrotman | cobol was a big reason for the y2k "crisis" |
| 21:16.41 | caphuso | there sure is hell of a lot leftover cobol code running, but 40%? no way |
| 21:16.42 | ribnitz | I'd guess most recent developments involve java. |
| 21:16.43 | paulswm | Many systems written in COBOL before 1993 are still running just fine |
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| 21:16.50 | abrotman | i can't imagine that much of it disappeared in 5 years |
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| 21:17.03 | K_Dallas | Problem No. xx.xx: DSL connection, pon and it works however; email client or browser stops working after a while if i leave them unattended! yet, xchat for instance seems to continue working! what is wrong with this picture? |
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| 21:17.06 | ribnitz | paulswm: didnt cobol have a y2k prob? |
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| 21:17.11 | abrotman | 40% of business apps .. it's possible |
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| 21:17.26 | abrotman | caphuso: think about all the backend stuff you never see at a bank or investment house |
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| 21:17.50 | caphuso | abrotman: yeah, sure, but those don't add up to 40% of all business applications |
| 21:17.51 | paulswm | ribnitz: that would be related to dates, not cobol |
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| 21:18.06 | paulswm | Anyway, offnow, see you all |
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| 21:18.10 | abrotman | caphuso: not desktop business .. just pure business .. i still think it's inflated .. but a lot yes |
| 21:18.13 | ribnitz | paulswm: that would have enticed people to move away |
| 21:18.16 | smr | whats the deal with raidtools2 and mdadm? |
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| 21:18.33 | abrotman | smr: they hve 2 letters in common ? |
| 21:18.35 | Pappa | In 1997 they estimated that there were about 300 billion lines of computer code in use in the world. Of that they estimated that about 80% (240 billion lines) were in COBOL and 20% (60 billion lines) were written in all the other computer languages combined |
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| 21:18.44 | bluecow | can i do a complete X reinstall, along with all drivers and config stuff somehow? |
| 21:18.47 | Pappa | In 1999 they reported that over 50% of all new mission-critical applications were still being done in COBOL and their recent estimates indicate that through 2004-2005 15% of all new applications (5 billion lines) will be developed in COBOL while 80% of all deployed applications will include extensions to existing legacy (usually COBOL) programs. |
| 21:18.47 | adjacent | heh |
| 21:18.50 | ludi | how do I enable X11 over ssh only for specific users, not globally for the entire system? |
| 21:18.52 | smr | I thought mdadm is old stuff compared to raidtools2 |
| 21:18.54 | Pappa | http://www.csis.ul.ie/COBOL/Course/COBOLIntro.htm#part1 |
| 21:18.56 | abrotman | Pappa: stop pasting .. please |
| 21:19.01 | ribnitz | smr: iirc one is needed to setup software raid and the other is a package.. |
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| 21:19.50 | smr | they inculde different utilities though |
| 21:19.55 | smr | include* |
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| 21:21.01 | McKillroy | Which is the best method to make incremental snapshot-like system backups ? cp -al with rsync ? Or are there better possibilities ? |
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| 21:21.20 | bashusrSE | McKillroy: tar? |
| 21:21.21 | abrotman | McKillroy: best is debatable .. check tar and dump also |
| 21:21.25 | linuxfreck | McKillroy: look into backuppc |
| 21:21.29 | abrotman | Pappa: http://freshmeat.net/search/?q=cobol§ion=projects&Go.x=0&Go.y=0 |
| 21:21.32 | bluecow | :'( nobody knows, looks like some experimentation is in order |
| 21:21.48 | McKillroy | pax ? |
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| 21:21.53 | bashusrSE | bluecow: people do know... it's just debateable which one is best... |
| 21:22.03 | ludi | how do I enable X11 over ssh only for specific users, not globally for the entire system? |
| 21:22.07 | abrotman | Pappa: while i'm not sure how far a long it is .. OpenCOBOL does exist |
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| 21:22.29 | bluecow | bashusrSE: i dont need a best way, just a way would be nice |
| 21:22.31 | kezzlock | HI |
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| 21:23.58 | bashusrSE | kezzlock: HI |
| 21:24.04 | verbose | could some please help me? |
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| 21:24.27 | kezzlock | ;] |
| 21:24.32 | bashusrSE | verbose: what. |
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| 21:24.59 | verbose | boot process is freezing at "diagnostic" screen (eg: frame=cc00) |
| 21:25.34 | verbose | didn't check iso file with md5sum because it supposedly didn't have md5 code included |
| 21:25.48 | verbose | but i doubt that's the reason for this... i'm sure the file isn't corrupted |
| 21:25.53 | verbose | but maybe |
| 21:26.18 | verbose | i've tried waiting a couple of minutes but it doesn't work |
| 21:26.25 | bashusrSE | this is for the install media? |
| 21:26.42 | verbose | yes |
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| 21:26.55 | jtaylor | do most ide raid cards work in linux? |
| 21:26.58 | verbose | it says it is sarting Caldera DR-DOS but never does |
| 21:27.08 | bashusrSE | try the CD/disk on another computer... |
| 21:27.09 | bashusrSE | and |
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| 21:27.14 | bashusrSE | figure is it your computer or the CD |
| 21:27.24 | verbose | that's a good idea... i'll have to try that at some point |
| 21:27.24 | bashusrSE | if it's the CD, get another one :-P |
| 21:27.39 | bashusrSE | jtaylor: best to check the card you have before you try it |
| 21:27.46 | verbose | yes, well i tried this with another cd with the cd image expanded on it and it encountered the same problem |
| 21:28.03 | verbose | maybe i'll try a Memorex cd instead of TDK... i don't know |
| 21:29.01 | verbose | i was actually thinking about trying the media on a different pc but haven't yet, thanks |
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| 21:29.22 | Atula | take care guys, |
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| 21:29.45 | verbose | what do people suggest for a linux distro... slackware or deb? |
| 21:30.02 | simonrvn | and you're asking that here? |
| 21:30.09 | verbose | well yes, i know |
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| 21:30.22 | simonrvn | what do you think we'll say? ;0 |
| 21:30.27 | verbose | debian supposedly has the largest repositories of any of the linux distros |
| 21:30.29 | shingouz | SCO unix |
| 21:30.30 | simonrvn | s/;0/:)/ |
| 21:30.36 | verbose | well, yes, i know that too |
| 21:30.38 | furrywolf | simon: if we all recommend slack, we won't have to deal with him in the future. :P |
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| 21:30.40 | simonrvn | @kill shingouz |
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| 21:31.02 | bashusrSE | @kill simonrvn |
| 21:31.08 | bashusrSE | yay! |
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| 21:31.09 | shingouz | :) |
| 21:31.10 | bashusrSE | you got the AOL CD! |
| 21:31.16 | DrD | hmm Q: if I just want to recompikle my exisiting kernel without upgrading it to a new one using my edited .config file, what should I do ? |
| 21:31.36 | verbose | talking to an aol user is like talking to a person in a wheelchair:P |
| 21:31.44 | thingfish | whoa |
| 21:32.14 | shingouz | verbose: it si more like talking to the wheelchair really. the persom is ok |
| 21:32.23 | verbose | haha |
| 21:32.28 | furrywolf | verbose: umm? because someone's physically disabled doesn't make them mentally disabled. "talking to an aol user is like talking to a brick wall" would be a better analogy. |
| 21:32.37 | thingfish | yes |
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| 21:32.44 | verbose | yes, that is true |
| 21:33.02 | verbose | talking to an aol user is like talking to your harddrive |
| 21:33.04 | bashusrSE | DrD: yeah... |
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| 21:33.15 | furrywolf | verbose: nah. your hard drive serves a useful function. |
| 21:33.16 | bashusrSE | DrD: you can... copy the .config to your /usr/src/linux |
| 21:33.22 | bashusrSE | DrD: then run make oldconfig |
| 21:33.28 | DrD | bashusrSE: ok, could u tell me how ? |
| 21:33.47 | verbose | well yes, but a response is the point |
| 21:33.48 | bashusrSE | wait |
| 21:33.51 | DrD | bashusrSE: but would not that use the new kernel under linux ? |
| 21:33.55 | bashusrSE | you're not upgrading the kernel? |
| 21:33.57 | bashusrSE | just recompiling it? |
| 21:34.05 | DrD | y |
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| 21:34.09 | bashusrSE | i don't really understand what you want to do... |
| 21:34.10 | simonrvn | talking to an AOhelL luser is like talking to GWB. totally useless |
| 21:34.23 | verbose | GWB, sorry? |
| 21:34.28 | bashusrSE | simonrvn: shush up |
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| 21:34.33 | bashusrSE | before you get into trouble... |
| 21:34.39 | DrD | bashusrSE: can i private msg u ? |
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| 21:34.54 | simonrvn | bashusrSE: *no one* shushes me |
| 21:35.09 | simonrvn | not for that kind of thing anyway |
| 21:35.15 | thingfish | simonrvn: it would be a little nauseating, too. |
| 21:35.18 | bashusrSE | DrD: no, you may not.. |
| 21:35.19 | simonrvn | i'll be shushed when i'm dead |
| 21:35.20 | bashusrSE | say it here |
| 21:35.31 | simonrvn | thingfish: aye |
| 21:35.39 | furrywolf | !tell drd about u |
| 21:35.40 | bashusrSE | simonrvn: then... "be quiet" |
| 21:35.57 | simonrvn | don't get me started |
| 21:36.03 | bashusrSE | !tell bashusrSE about u |
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| 21:36.34 | DrD | bashusrSE: well I jt want to recompile the current kernel enable wireless settings for my card. I dont want recompiling a new one. just from the existing .config / |
| 21:36.37 | simonrvn | i'm already on a list, like it fricking matters anyway |
| 21:36.43 | jtaylor | anyone know if SIL0680 is supported in linux? |
| 21:36.47 | simonrvn | might as well take advantage of it |
| 21:36.48 | gurrag | i'm running sarge and need to configure a smart relay host for sendmail. but i can't find sendmail.cf. where is it? |
| 21:36.48 | jtaylor | its an ide raid controlelr |
| 21:37.09 | verbose | bashusrSE: if i can figure out what's going on, I'll tell you what it was |
| 21:37.13 | verbose | if you want |
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| 21:37.49 | verbose | does anyone here have the Motorola SB5100 cable modem? |
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| 21:38.03 | bashusrSE | DrD: then, make menuconfig |
| 21:38.09 | bashusrSE | in the /usr/src/linux dir |
| 21:38.17 | bashusrSE | and you can just enable the wireless setting... |
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| 21:38.23 | alex | does anyone knows a backport for imagemagick for php4 for woody ? I got php4 from dotweb but it does not seem to have th imagemagick |
| 21:38.32 | bashusrSE | then make && make install_modules or whatever you would regularly do to install the kernel |
| 21:38.49 | furrywolf | why do people ask if we have something? why don't they just ask their question? why would having one making people know anything more, or not having one make people not know anything about it? |
| 21:38.58 | DrD | bashusrSE: ya but that would be for the new kernel |
| 21:39.11 | bashusrSE | then no.. |
| 21:39.11 | stew | DrD: /msg dpkg kp |
| 21:39.19 | bashusrSE | you can't just "put something into the kernel" |
| 21:39.25 | bashusrSE | you can compile it as a module |
| 21:39.28 | simonrvn | @anyone use |
| 21:39.29 | ravenbird | No, no one uses it, not even the people who use it. |
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| 21:39.37 | verbose | furrywolf: i just figured i'd ask the question about the cable modem while i'm at it |
| 21:39.43 | simonrvn | furrywolf: half way there already |
| 21:39.44 | betterpurl | how do I find where apxs executable is? |
| 21:39.46 | stew | alex: /msg dpkg simple sid backport |
| 21:39.52 | furrywolf | verbose: so then ASK THE QUESTION ABOUT THE CABLE MODEM. |
| 21:39.58 | verbose | i was going to ask about usb configuration in linux |
| 21:40.01 | furrywolf | asking if we use it isn't a useful question. |
| 21:40.07 | simonrvn | betterpurl: locate, find |
| 21:40.18 | simonrvn | add dlocate to that |
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| 21:40.22 | DrD | bashusrSE: well, my linux is lnked to the new kernel |
| 21:40.28 | verbose | i've seen people say they got the lan connection working alright but haven't seen much about usb |
| 21:40.34 | alex | stew: I did not get that |
| 21:40.39 | bashusrSE | DrD: what do you mean NEW kernel? new kernel version? |
| 21:40.40 | verbose | it's trivial though so it's fine |
| 21:40.43 | stew | !tell alex about simple sid backport |
| 21:40.47 | bashusrSE | then rm /usr/src/linux |
| 21:40.47 | alex | dpkg simple sid backport |
| 21:40.47 | dpkg | well, simple sid backport is 1) Add a deb-src line for sid to your sources.list. 2) apt-get update 3) apt-get build-dep packagename;apt-get -b source packagename 4) install the resulting debs, or pay someone to do it properly :) |
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| 21:40.58 | bashusrSE | ln -s /usr/src/kernel$whatever /usr/src/linux |
| 21:41.02 | stew | bashusrSE: no |
| 21:41.16 | verbose | symbolic link |
| 21:41.22 | stew | bashusrSE: there is no good reason to make that link and the README says explicitly not to |
| 21:41.30 | DrD | bashusrSE: so ur saying I need to get the curent kernel 2.6.8 andlink it to linux |
| 21:41.55 | verbose | bashusr: why would this be necessary? |
| 21:41.57 | bashusrSE | stew: oh i don't know! to tell you the truth... |
| 21:42.03 | bashusrSE | i haven't used debian in years... |
| 21:42.10 | bashusrSE | i don't know why i'm here.. |
| 21:42.26 | DrD | stew: so what do you think I should do ? |
| 21:42.27 | bluecow | well ive reinstalled x and everything looks good, but i get 'error loading libGL.so.1:cannot open shared object file' when i try and run a gl app |
| 21:42.27 | stew | DrD: don't bother with taht link, just cd in the the source directory, cp /path/to/old/config ./.config ; make oldconfig, make menuconfig, then make-kpkg kernel-image |
| 21:42.34 | docgnome | I'm trying to install the drivers for a dlink dwl-650+ wi-fi card. The config file looks for kernel config files at /lib/modules/2.6.8-1-386/build which doesn't exist. How can I figure out where my config files really are and then tell the configure script about it? |
| 21:42.38 | stew | DrD: /msg dpkg kp |
| 21:42.42 | verbose | bashusr: what linux distro do you use now? |
| 21:43.08 | shingouz | verbose: you know about tab completion? |
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| 21:43.18 | betterpurl | simonrvn nothing found |
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| 21:43.22 | verbose | i can't say as i do |
| 21:43.31 | verbose | why? |
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| 21:43.32 | bluecow | whats more, there is no libGL package |
| 21:43.32 | shingouz | verbose: /msg dpkg nicktab |
| 21:43.40 | shingouz | verbose: helps you to use irc |
| 21:43.44 | simonrvn | @wayttd betterpurl |
| 21:43.46 | ravenbird | What Are You Trying To Do, betterpurl? |
| 21:43.48 | DrD | verbose: 2.6.8 |
| 21:44.05 | DrD | verbose: and I just need to recompile it adding wireless features needed for my card |
| 21:44.05 | verbose | what is its function specifically? |
| 21:44.13 | stew | DrD: like what features? |
| 21:44.16 | stew | DrD: what card? |
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| 21:44.21 | alex | what does this mean :E: Dynamic MMap ran out of room |
| 21:44.24 | shingouz | verbose: just helps you complete the nicks, you do not have to type everything |
| 21:44.27 | DrD | like encryption options |
| 21:44.32 | verbose | oh ok |
| 21:44.39 | DrD | its the intel ipw2200 |
| 21:44.50 | len__ | Can anyone tell me how to manually install a sound card? |
| 21:44.50 | verbose | how did you know i was typing the nicks out... out of curiosity? |
| 21:44.54 | shingouz | !mmap alex |
| 21:44.54 | nvz | tarzeau: I think you should rethink saying that program has virtually no deps, I got home and tried to install that deb you pointed me to last night, and had some 4 or more unresolved deps... and I couldnt check ahead of time to d/l the deps because its not listed on p.d.o |
| 21:45.14 | shingouz | ! tell alex about mmap |
| 21:45.19 | shingouz | !tell alex about mmap |
| 21:45.29 | shingouz | grr... that was hard |
| 21:45.30 | verbose | i never use irc |
| 21:45.41 | dasunt | What's the command to 'hold' a file? |
| 21:45.46 | shingouz | verbose: just noticed you left out some characters |
| 21:45.57 | stew | DrD: are you sure you need to recompile your kernel? |
| 21:45.57 | verbose | oh ok, i see |
| 21:46.07 | stew | DrD: i think you can just use module-assistant |
| 21:46.08 | pen123 | Hold a file? |
| 21:46.22 | DrD | stew: ya , thats what the google search mentions from people with exact cad and kernel |
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| 21:46.26 | dasunt | Hold a package, I mean. |
| 21:46.30 | rob_lt | /usr/bin/cuddle |
| 21:46.32 | stew | !ipw2200 |
| 21:46.32 | dpkg | methinks ipw2200 is a wireless driver for certain intel wireless cards: 'apt-get install ipw2200-source', build with module-assistant. Download and install the firmware as you get told during install. For help try #ipw2100 or http://ipw2200.sourceforge.net. |
| 21:46.37 | DrD | stew: can you tell me how to recompile it ? |
| 21:46.53 | shingouz | dasunt: /msg dpkg hold |
| 21:47.09 | DrD | stew: ya but in practical life, we need to recompil the kernel |
| 21:47.13 | stew | no |
| 21:47.16 | dasunt | Thanks shingouz, pen123. |
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| 21:47.22 | shingouz | dasunt: np |
| 21:47.23 | bluecow | <PROTECTED> |
| 21:47.24 | DrD | stew: then leave me alone. |
| 21:47.50 | abrotman | DrD: actually .. you don't |
| 21:47.52 | stew | DrD: apt-get insatll ipw2200-source module-assistant; m-a a-i ipw2200 |
| 21:48.01 | stew | nm, i'll leave you alone |
| 21:48.54 | stew | i don't understand why people feel cheated when they don't need to recompile their kernel's constnatly |
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| 21:49.11 | docgnome | cause they feel less 1337 |
| 21:49.29 | abrotman | stew: i feel cheated when they're out of my favorite beer .. dunno what this kernel thing is |
| 21:49.39 | save | hi everyone, I have a simple question. I use sarge with an audiophile 2496 soundcard and alsa driver. Everything works perfectly after I do an alsaconf. But each time I reboot I lose my settings. Anyone know how to solve this problem? |
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| 21:50.04 | stew | abrotman: as a related story, there was a local bar here that had one of my favorite beers in the middle of the summer that is usually only available in the winter |
| 21:50.16 | abrotman | stew: woohoo |
| 21:50.18 | nvz | oh well I am tired... Screw you guys I am going home soon :P |
| 21:50.20 | abrotman | stew: sly fox? :) |
| 21:50.25 | stew | abrotman: when i asked him how he managed that he told me that he has a cron job that runs in february that tells him to buy 10 cases |
| 21:50.29 | abrotman | nvz: home ? |
| 21:50.36 | abrotman | stew: are you serious? |
| 21:50.39 | stew | serious |
| 21:50.49 | abrotman | that's just wrong :) |
| 21:50.53 | abrotman | well . right |
| 21:50.53 | bluecow | does nobody know the answer to my woes? (sorry im impatient) |
| 21:50.54 | abrotman | but wrong |
| 21:50.56 | stew | he was a oracle DBA that checked out at the right time during the dot-com boom and bought a bar |
| 21:50.59 | stew | lucky bastard |
| 21:51.00 | nvz | abrotman: well back to Cara's house. its where I am calling home right now |
| 21:51.16 | abrotman | !tell bluecow about search |
| 21:51.21 | abrotman | nvz: hope she's cute |
| 21:52.29 | bluecow | abrotman: i tried that and none of them sound right |
| 21:52.38 | nvz | abrotman: she is, I've always adored her... she's just like most young girls around here, hung up on some jail bird who is never around to help her with anything... maybe I can bring her around |
| 21:52.49 | bluecow | apart from possibly mesa and a seem to remember that was software rendering |
| 21:53.14 | abrotman | nvz: give her a trip to primanti bros :) |
| 21:53.18 | directhex | well that was amusing |
| 21:53.30 | abrotman | bluecow: uhm .. i think you want mesa |
| 21:53.37 | bluecow | do i? ok then |
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| 21:53.40 | nvz | abrotman: yeah I wanted here to take me back up to pittsburgh last week but her car broke again.. |
| 21:53.41 | bluecow | ill install it |
| 21:53.42 | abrotman | bluecow: what file are you looking for ? |
| 21:53.48 | nvz | s/here/her/ |
| 21:53.49 | abrotman | nvz: wait .. where are you now ? |
| 21:53.54 | directhex | !wayttd bluecow |
| 21:53.55 | dpkg | What Are You Trying To Do, bluecow? |
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| 21:54.05 | abrotman | nvz: i'm gonna get you a ball&chain so you stay put |
| 21:54.06 | nvz | abrotman: at my grandmothers house just outside Morgantown |
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| 21:54.16 | nvz | abrotman: I just got home from working out Cheat Lake |
| 21:54.21 | abrotman | heh |
| 21:54.23 | abrotman | ok |
| 21:54.31 | abrotman | nvz: wait .. morgantown ? .. like reading ? |
| 21:54.33 | nathan__ | how do you restart the gnome desktop? my gnome panels are still working but i dont get any response when clicking on my icons on my desktop |
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| 21:54.37 | nvz | abrotman: yeah I've been rambling on |
| 21:54.39 | abrotman | nvz: or WV ? |
| 21:54.56 | bluecow | i am trying to fix some strange bug whereby I have libGL.so in /usr/lib/ but running GL programs says it cannot be found |
| 21:55.07 | abrotman | !find libGL.so |
| 21:55.08 | nvz | abrotman: yeah Morgantown WV, as in West Virginia University |
| 21:55.14 | abrotman | bluecow: what is the exact error ? |
| 21:55.18 | dpkg | Debian Search of 'libGL.so' (4 of 7): (/usr/X11R6/lib/libGL.so) in libdevel/xlibmesa-gl-dev ;; (/usr/lib/libGL.so.1.0.7174) in non-free/x11/nvidia-glx ;; (/usr/lib/libGL.so.1) in libs/mesag3,non-free/x11/nvidia-glx,libs/xlibmesa-gl ;; (/usr/lib/libGL.so) in libs/mesag3,non-free/x11/nvidia-glx-dev,libdevel/xlibmesa-gl-dev. |
| 21:55.26 | bluecow | error while loading shared libraries: libGL.so.1: cannot open shared object file: No such file or directory |
| 21:55.28 | abrotman | nvz: ah ok .. i was gonna smack you .. i'm like 30 from Morgantown, PA |
| 21:55.31 | save | anyone had the same problem I had,? |
| 21:55.41 | nvz | abrotman: 30? |
| 21:55.43 | abrotman | bluecow: see above ? .. install xlibmesa-gl-dev .. |
| 21:55.51 | abrotman | nvz: minutes |
| 21:55.54 | nvz | heh |
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| 21:55.57 | directhex | bluecow, do you want software rendering, or are you using a proprietary driver (nvidia-glx, ati fglrx) |
| 21:56.02 | bluecow | it's already installed |
| 21:56.08 | nvz | abrotman: I didnt even know there was a Morgantown PA |
| 21:56.17 | abrotman | bluecow: talk to directhex . he actually uses his video card :) |
| 21:56.28 | abrotman | nvz: ah ok |
| 21:56.52 | bluecow | i had hardware accelleration without ati's fglrx at first, then i installed it and it ruined my comp, so i reinstalled x from scratch and now i have no gl at all |
| 21:57.53 | joloc | do you need atmelwlandriver to get sitecom wl-011 running, or is atmel_cs module sufficient? |
| 21:58.01 | abrotman | yay brakes! |
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| 21:58.10 | directhex | okay, so the full thing to say is "i want hardware acceleration on an ati r200-series radeon, it says libgl is missing"£ |
| 21:58.14 | nvz | abrotman: well I came down here to renew my last held (WV) drivers lisc. and see about getting my volvo either running or out of sight to be towed.. then I ended up moving in with my cousins and buying new tools and going to work doing construction... just yesturday I started moving my shit out to chaplin to stay at Cara's since she doesnt mind, and I'd rather live with two girls than 3 guys |
| 21:58.34 | save | leave |
| 21:58.36 | abrotman | nvz: heh .. you need to stay in one place! |
| 21:58.38 | save | mt |
| 21:58.45 | bluecow | directhex: yes |
| 21:58.47 | abrotman | !buckabeer |
| 21:58.47 | dpkg | from memory, buckabeer is time for abrotman to go .. thursday 5:30pm .. buckabeer at rock bottom |
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| 21:59.20 | drac | Hmm. libGL.so.1.2 is symlink to libGL.so.1 provided by xlibmesa-gl for e.g. r200. |
| 21:59.40 | directhex | drac is correct |
| 22:00.14 | challenged | whats a reasonable linux client for MSN Messenger? |
| 22:00.39 | smr | I'm using kopete for MSN |
| 22:00.39 | challenged | i use trillian on windows boxes.. |
| 22:00.50 | challenged | smr: thx |
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| 22:01.21 | directhex | challenged, i like gaim |
| 22:01.29 | bluecow | challenged: i use bitlbee to interface with irc |
| 22:02.04 | joloc | bluecow: does bitlbee support msn conferences? |
| 22:02.15 | nvz | stay in one place?? yeah right.. heh The leaves are falling all around, Its time I was on my way. Thanks to you, I'm much obliged, Its been a pleasent stay...but now its time for me to go.. autumn moon lights my way.. |
| 22:02.41 | docgnome | I'm trying to install the acx100 drivers, and when I ./Configure it tries to look for kernel config files in /lib/modules/2.6.8-1-386/build which doesn't exist. What can I do about this? |
| 22:02.48 | simonrvn | nvz: see ya. take care |
| 22:03.00 | nvz | heh I didnt mean right this second |
| 22:03.03 | nvz | just in general |
| 22:03.11 | bluecow | joloc: not sure |
| 22:03.14 | zinx | docgnome: apt-get install kernel-headers-2.6.8-1-386? |
| 22:03.18 | smr | docgnome, install kernel-headers |
| 22:03.19 | nvz | I dont move around _that_ much |
| 22:03.21 | docgnome | I did. |
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| 22:03.42 | simonrvn | heh |
| 22:04.00 | joloc | bluecow: quite fond of bitlbee, but never found out how to conference... *sigh* |
| 22:04.04 | docgnome | oh crap. nm I'm being a moron. like ususal. I isntalled 686 stuff -_- |
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| 22:04.51 | citral | I don't think any linux app actually supports conference |
| 22:04.55 | budluva | i have a 704mb iso, is there anyway to force k3b to overburn? |
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| 22:05.04 | citral | one more proprietary crap |
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| 22:05.33 | qweqw | so.. what's the wait on the next stable release |
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| 22:05.40 | smr | I've chatted with two other guys with kopete |
| 22:05.45 | qweqw | i'm sick of using apache 0.1 |
| 22:05.47 | citral | qweqw: you ! |
| 22:05.58 | smr | does that count as conference? |
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| 22:06.08 | qweqw | damn, me |
| 22:06.09 | smr | <------ is not a MSN expert |
| 22:06.16 | Souza10 | Does anybody know when sshd stdout this message into /var/log/messages? "did not receive identification string from <ip_number>" I tried in several ways but could not take it |
| 22:06.17 | qweqw | i am a recognizable fellow, |
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| 22:06.40 | hybrid | lol |
| 22:06.46 | bluecow | joloc: type 'help groupchats' into your #bitlbee |
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| 22:07.19 | citral | oh, I thought conference was the webcam stuff |
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| 22:07.57 | Vladi | what do u guys recoment for an imap client mostly imap-ssl courier or cyrus or any otherones ? for a small office setup? |
| 22:07.57 | drac | docgnome: There is no kernel-headers for 2.6.8-1-386, so I suggest you do this: apt-get install kernel-image-2.6.8-2-386 kernel-headers-2.6.8-2-386 module-assistant, then boot to your new kernel and do 'm-a a-i acx100' |
| 22:08.02 | nvz | I think I'll look around and see what kind of ISPs I have to choose from around here ... so I can get online where ever I am going to be staying |
| 22:08.09 | directhex | !listkeys -1- |
| 22:08.11 | dpkg | Factoid search of '-1-' by key returned no results. |
| 22:08.20 | directhex | docgnome, obey drac, he's 100% correct |
| 22:08.21 | directhex | again |
| 22:08.28 | drac | thanks :) |
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| 22:08.53 | joloc | bluecow: good point. |
| 22:09.00 | bluecow | seems to work |
| 22:09.05 | docgnome | drac: yeah... but i just did an apt-get install kernel-headers-2.6.8-1-386 and it worked fine. |
| 22:09.09 | bluecow | id never tried it till now |
| 22:09.37 | drac | docgnome: Maybe it was just lurking around in your apt-cache, e.g. /var/cache/apt/archives. |
| 22:09.44 | directhex | docgnome, -1- kernels have been removed from sarge. where are your kernel headers coming from? |
| 22:09.53 | directhex | docgnome, -1- kernels are insecure, obsolete, and unmaintained |
| 22:09.55 | docgnome | my older sarge cd's |
| 22:10.01 | joloc | wlan card doesn't see access point, while other boxes' cards did. possible cause? |
| 22:10.02 | drac | ahh. |
| 22:10.03 | docgnome | cause thats all i have. |
| 22:10.35 | directhex | docgnome, are you on 56k dialup? |
| 22:10.43 | docgnome | aye :-\ |
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| 22:12.29 | docgnome | what package are wi-fi tools in? |
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| 22:13.25 | nvz | Adelphia Cable internet is like $50 in addition to the cable bill, so thats definatly not happening.. I am not paying that kind of money for internet.. heh I would go out and buy an external 56k modem first and use dialup |
| 22:13.48 | bluecow | docgnome: 'apt-cache search wifi' |
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| 22:14.09 | joloc | docgnome: wireless-tools ? |
| 22:14.12 | thingfish | cable internet is so overpriced. |
| 22:14.21 | qweqw | no |
| 22:14.25 | qweqw | what do you have, thingfish |
| 22:14.25 | thingfish | I can't see how it's not criminal. |
| 22:14.28 | docgnome | joloc: doh. |
| 22:14.33 | thingfish | dialup, qweqw. |
| 22:14.39 | qweqw | lol |
| 22:14.51 | thingfish | laugh all you want. |
| 22:14.53 | qweqw | you need to join the 21st century, man |
| 22:14.57 | phanter | hello. I am running firefox in gnome and I cannot get java to work. I checked several sites, and did what I should do, but it is still not working |
| 22:15.02 | zinx | thingfish: if you pay enough to the politicians in office, anything can be legal. |
| 22:15.25 | qweqw | i get 700kb/s downloads |
| 22:15.27 | thingfish | zinx: probably true. |
| 22:15.35 | qweqw | that's worth it |
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| 22:15.46 | bluecow | phanter: java is not in the apt sources due to proprietary code |
| 22:15.58 | qweqw | i would go insane if i had to use dial up again |
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| 22:16.01 | bluecow | you'll need to get it from java.sun.com |
| 22:16.02 | Lee__ | !tell phanter about java |
| 22:16.08 | tipt0e | phanter: you have to make a symlink from libjavaplugin.so to your firefox plugins directory |
| 22:16.13 | zinx | dialup's better than nothing, trust me |
| 22:16.15 | phanter | I know. I added a repository and downloaded a java dab |
| 22:16.17 | DeathWolf | i added my new freshly compiled kernel into the grub menulist, and rebooted, and i get "Kernel panic: not syncing: vfs unable to mount root fs on unknown-block 0,0" |
| 22:16.18 | DeathWolf | any idea? |
| 22:16.25 | Lee__ | phanter: don't listen to them |
| 22:16.28 | thingfish | dialup's way better than nothing. |
| 22:16.30 | Lee__ | just install the package |
| 22:16.31 | DeathWolf | the root= option is exactly the same as the old one which works |
| 22:16.36 | qweqw | true |
| 22:16.50 | qweqw | it depends on how you use your computers |
| 22:17.02 | docgnome | qweqw: the difference is I pay nothing for dialup and I can just run over to the local comunity college and leach their bandwidth when i need something big. :-P |
| 22:17.12 | thingfish | that would be nice. |
| 22:17.35 | docgnome | though... i would prefer cable. heh |
| 22:17.38 | qweqw | start a co-op, and charge your neighbours |
| 22:17.44 | docgnome | bwahahha |
| 22:18.02 | qweqw | i'd pay for a nice t1 connection |
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| 22:18.09 | docgnome | cept then you have to deal with dumb neighbours and their windows boxes covered in spyware lagging your network. |
| 22:18.19 | nvz | well I know verison sucks, but I am going to call them first.. see what they say.. because the girl I am staying with has verison phone, so I will look into their dsl first |
| 22:18.32 | qweqw | bandwidth throttling |
| 22:18.32 | Lee__ | give your neighbors voip service with their data and the co-op will pay all your bills :) |
| 22:18.35 | qweqw | connection priority |
| 22:18.39 | docgnome | qweqw: true that. |
| 22:19.08 | qweqw | the U.S. government is trying to make co-ops illegal, though |
| 22:19.13 | docgnome | lame |
| 22:19.23 | thingfish | why does that not surprise me |
| 22:19.24 | zinx | more $$$ for the cable co |
| 22:19.51 | nazgob | hi, I'm new to IRC, how can i see the list of chanels available on this server? |
| 22:20.00 | qweqw | <PROTECTED> |
| 22:20.09 | nazgob | as simple as that, thx :) |
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| 22:20.12 | qweqw | the land of the <censored> |
| 22:20.38 | qweqw | might want to try /list *whatever* for a specific channel |
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| 22:23.25 | BleSS | how know the input devices into a system? |
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| 22:24.13 | bnoji | Does anyone live/work in a building with key card readers for entry/exit? |
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| 22:24.51 | Delph | yes |
| 22:24.54 | zinx | my mother used to work in one with a key card and a card w/ numbers that changed every few minutes, and a password |
| 22:25.13 | zinx | glass doors. i'll never figure that one out. |
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| 22:26.10 | bnoji | I'm installing some and I'm trying to play around with it. |
| 22:26.32 | kerneld | Anyone have a recent snapshot of openoffice.org and know if it supports Oasis Open Document format |
| 22:26.47 | Souza10 | Does anybody know when sshd stdout this message into /var/log/messages? "did not receive identification string from <ip_number>" I tried in several ways but could not take it. Someone tried to connect to ssh and generates it |
| 22:27.21 | kerneld | Someone sent our sales director a contract on Open Document format. heh |
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| 22:27.36 | stew | kerneld: ask in #openoffice.org or #debian-oo |
| 22:27.47 | BleSS | how know the input devices into a system? cat /proc/bus/input/devices |
| 22:27.56 | bnoji | I'm going to wire in this card reader and keypad into my car door. |
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| 22:28.09 | bnoji | and replace the door lock with a door popper solenoid |
| 22:28.37 | bnoji | It just happens to run on 12V DC |
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| 22:30.48 | kerneld | stew: Cheers. d/l now to check for myself |
| 22:31.08 | Cyis | bnoji: add a soekris 4521 and make your car a roaming WiFi hotspot :) |
| 22:31.27 | docgnome | that would own. |
| 22:31.28 | kerneld | apt, openoffice.org is #debian-oo or #openoffice.org |
| 22:31.29 | apt | ...but openoffice.org is already something else... |
| 22:31.38 | kerneld | apt, openoffice.org is also #debian-oo or #openoffice.org |
| 22:31.39 | apt | kerneld: okay |
| 22:31.40 | sparr_ | ive got a game running in a window in X but it 'captures' the mouse and keyboard. i need some way to defocus it so i can manipulate other windows, any ideas? |
| 22:31.43 | simonrvn | !openoffice.org |
| 22:31.43 | dpkg | somebody said openoffice.org was a Free Software Productivity Suite based upon Sun's StarOffice http://www.openoffice.org. See http://www.linux-debian.de/openoffice/ for debs. |
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| 22:31.56 | nvz | oh well looks like dialup is really my only option right now anyhow.. heh I guess I had better get a modem |
| 22:31.56 | kerneld | http://www.linux-debian.de/openoffice/ is bad |
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| 22:33.13 | nvz | actually now that I think about it, dialup is more trouble than its worth.. ties up the phone, and adding a line ends up costing more than cable |
| 22:33.41 | docgnome | yeah, but if no one calls you ever you only need one line :-P |
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| 22:33.56 | Guerin | nvz: you don't have a cellphone? |
| 22:34.02 | nvz | well I am living with two drama queens :P |
| 22:34.06 | Guerin | oh shitr |
| 22:34.07 | bnoji | I just want to play around with this lock system. |
| 22:34.12 | nvz | they have they respective jailbirds calling |
| 22:34.17 | docgnome | nvz: hrm. pointe taken. |
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| 22:34.29 | Guerin | nvz: you have bigger problems than lack of intenet |
| 22:34.34 | nvz | hah |
| 22:34.35 | bnoji | It's surprisingly easy to bypass these wall mount key locks. |
| 22:35.12 | bnoji | You can pop the cover off, pull the relay wires out and short them directly to the power supply pins and the lock will open. |
| 22:35.23 | stew | dpkg openoffice.org is =~ s,See http://www.linux-debian.de/openoffice/ for debs,apt-get install openoffice.org. For openoffice specific questions please go to #openoffice.org or #debian-oo, |
| 22:35.24 | dpkg | stew: i didn't have anything called 'openoffice.org is' to modify |
| 22:35.37 | nvz | yeah, well I dont really need internet.. I just miss being connected to the information, and B.S.ing here |
| 22:35.38 | stew | bah |
| 22:35.58 | Guerin | wtf |
| 22:36.06 | Guerin | openoffice.org is in debian already... |
| 22:36.20 | stew | yes, thats why i was trying to fix the factoid |
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| 22:36.25 | ia3264 | dont need the internet?! what are you amish |
| 22:36.44 | Guerin | ia3264: well, he IS from Leetsdale, PA |
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| 22:37.03 | ia3264 | leets my ass :P |
| 22:37.43 | kerneld | dpkg openoffice.org =~ s,See http://www.linux-debian.de/openoffice/ for debs,apt-get install openoffice.org. For openoffice specific questions please go to #openoffice.org or #debian-oo, |
| 22:37.43 | dpkg | OK, kerneld |
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| 22:39.35 | Inv_arp | I know to add routes using route but how to make it permanent rc.local? |
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| 22:40.28 | nvz | haha |
| 22:40.43 | nvz | you guys taking about be when I am not looking |
| 22:40.50 | nvz | s/be/me/ |
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| 22:41.02 | _eXoDuS_ | what was the link where i could find a list of older version of packages?? |
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| 22:41.25 | ludi | is there a way to enable X11 forwarding only for specific users? |
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| 22:42.54 | sussudio | !tell _eXoDuS_ about snapshot |
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| 22:43.12 | _eXoDuS_ | sussudio: thank you |
| 22:44.34 | dondelelcaro | ludi: any user who needs it should just ssh -X foohost; |
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| 22:46.50 | kenneth_ | hi, I can't figure out what device name to pass growisofs with kernel 2.4.27. /dev/hdc is under ide-scsi control but I get "unable to INQUIRY" error |
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| 22:47.34 | Eclipser | /dev/scd0 or something similar maybe |
| 22:47.42 | Eclipser | haven't used 2.4 for a while |
| 22:47.43 | BleSS | how know input devices? |
| 22:47.45 | Eclipser | can't remember :) |
| 22:48.01 | nvz | kenneth_: /dev/scd0 or /dev/sr0, perhaps |
| 22:48.15 | nvz | I would check dmesg or something |
| 22:49.23 | kenneth_ | dmesg only says hdc: PLEXTOR DVDR PX-712A, ATAPI CD/DVD-ROM drive |
| 22:49.28 | kenneth_ | and scsi0 : SCSI host adapter emulation for IDE ATAPI devices |
| 22:50.11 | kenneth_ | using sr0 & scd0 don't give errors, but don't do anyhting either |
| 22:50.38 | nvz | heh... well I am on WindowsXP right now... and got other things on my mind than linux |
| 22:50.54 | qweqw | hand in your geek card |
| 22:51.03 | qweqw | you're out of the club |
| 22:51.07 | Eclipser | :p |
| 22:51.29 | nvz | ha |
| 22:51.32 | hacim | directhex: ok, I'm looking at the audigy 2zs and the audigy 2, about $20 difference |
| 22:51.34 | challenged | hmm you said you were on windows and didnt get kicked......*poke DPKG* |
| 22:51.51 | directhex | hacim, get the cheaper one |
| 22:51.54 | nvz | its my grandma's pc.. there arent any good card shops out for linux.. so there's no converting her |
| 22:51.56 | hacim | directhex: seems to be more polyphany (1024 voices) in the audigy 2, than in the zs (64) |
| 22:52.10 | hacim | directhex: but the sample rate in the zs is higher |
| 22:52.27 | directhex | hacim, if you were happy with onboard, it doesn't matter. get the cheaper option |
| 22:52.37 | challenged | sample rate > more voices......when was the last time you were unhappy with 128 voices??? |
| 22:52.44 | hacim | directhex: I dont know if I am happy with onboard, I haven't gotten the board yet :) |
| 22:53.13 | hacim | directhex: and from the sounds of it, the onboard isn't anything to write home about |
| 22:53.18 | pen123 | <PROTECTED> |
| 22:53.19 | hacim | challenged: true :) |
| 22:53.22 | challenged | hmm...anyone used the KDE menu updating tool? |
| 22:53.44 | hacim | directhex: was it difficult to get the drivers for the zs working in linux? |
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| 22:53.49 | directhex | hacim, it's all about the mixing. you want an emu10k board, beyond that it doesn't matter |
| 22:54.02 | directhex | hacim, erm, no, just worked out of the box on my sarge install |
| 22:54.06 | hacim | nice |
| 22:54.20 | pen123 | <PROTECTED> |
| 22:54.58 | hacim | directhex: the 2zs is OEM at $70, not bad |
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| 22:55.45 | kenneth_ | ahh.. dvd+rw-mediainfo works with /dev/sr0, I guess growisofs' -dry-run is different than cdrecord's. thanks for the input, everyone |
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| 22:56.14 | nvz | If someone made a GNU card shop that could import artwork, templates, and text..etc from American Greetings or Create-a-Card cds, then I could put my grandma on linux |
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| 22:57.24 | nvz | this will probably never happen. as people who use linux are smart enough to use tools available to print pictured and text, then fold a piece of paper |
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| 22:57.53 | renzo | my new kernel has been building for more then 4 hours now on a pIII 450mhz machine |
| 22:57.56 | renzo | is this normal? |
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| 22:58.18 | nvz | maher: she's been having this problem getting email from anyone but Gloria, so... |
| 22:58.26 | phaedral | hey all |
| 22:58.47 | challenged | renzo: sounds a bit long to me |
| 22:58.51 | phaedral | defragging my new compaq presario v4000; then it's time for the sarge netinst...wish me luck! |
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| 22:58.57 | directhex | renzo, probably not. why are you compiling and not using apt-get? |
| 22:59.02 | nvz | I told her to start using her ISP's mail she pays for, so she can get tech support on it, instead of using Microsoft's Hotmail |
| 22:59.09 | nightcon | is it possible to mirror the debian packages for sarge somehow easily? |
| 22:59.26 | BleSS | how know the exact input devices? |
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| 22:59.37 | nightcon | im gonna be offline for a month or so and i'd like to be able to install packages and play around in that time :p |
| 22:59.38 | renzo | well actually I'm doing make-kpkg --revision=custom.1.0 --initrd kernel_image |
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| 22:59.52 | renzo | but that's just basically compiling isn't it? |
| 22:59.58 | renzo | and making a package out of it |
| 23:00.01 | nvz | nightcon: sure, depends on you exact needs though.. look into maybe apt-move, apt-zip, apt-cacher, apt-proxy or such |
| 23:00.33 | renzo | directhex: cause I wanted to change the configuration myself |
| 23:00.41 | nightcon | any guess on how much space i'd need for all the sarge packages? |
| 23:00.46 | phaedral | so i've got 80 gig, roughly |
| 23:00.52 | nvz | dpkg, dstats sarge |
| 23:01.00 | phaedral | was gonna leave 30 ntfs, 10 fat, the balance to debian |
| 23:01.01 | dpkg | Debian Distro Stats on sarge... 15817 packages, 1477 maintainers, 29050 MB installed size, 9261 MB compressed size. |
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| 23:01.05 | phaedral | suggestions? |
| 23:01.07 | renzo | directhex: but if it'll take any longer I'll abort and use a precompiled one |
| 23:01.19 | nvz | nightcon: looks like about 9gb or so |
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| 23:02.06 | Delph | what in the world are you doing with all the sarge packages? |
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| 23:03.43 | nvz | well I will talk to you all some other time.. I am going to get on home. Doesn't look like I will be getting internet anytime soon... DSL is not available, for another line and dialup I am looking at like possibly $50, for cable + cable internet about $90.. and I wasnt looking to pay much more than $30 |
| 23:04.39 | bucky | nvz, in pittsburg? |
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| 23:05.00 | nvz | bucky: nope, Chaplin, WV is where I am staying right now |
| 23:05.28 | nvz | bucky: its about 85mi south of Pittsburgh, PA just off the first exit across the state line |
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| 23:06.03 | renzo | how do I find out if I need a smp kernel for my PII or not |
| 23:06.19 | challenged | renzo : do you have 2 cpus? |
| 23:06.24 | renzo | no |
| 23:06.26 | nvz | actually its probably just called Morgantown, WV.. hell if I know.. I move around too much to really know much of whats around me :P |
| 23:06.26 | Gathond | renzo: do it have more than one CPU |
| 23:06.30 | renzo | smp = multicpu? |
| 23:06.33 | challenged | renzo: then you dont |
| 23:06.33 | Gathond | renzo: then you dont |
| 23:06.36 | renzo | :) |
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| 23:07.00 | Gathond | renzo: yes smp = symmetric multiprocessing, one way to have multiple CPU systems |
| 23:07.03 | challenged | renzo : ya smp = i have more cpus |
| 23:08.33 | ludi | when logging on to my server with "ssh -X" command, do I have to have "X11Forwarding yes" on the server first? |
| 23:08.47 | directhex | yes |
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| 23:09.16 | bnoji | Here's a recommendation. Do not us IEI lock products. |
| 23:09.30 | bnoji | Especially their hub/keypad/cardswipe units. |
| 23:09.31 | ludi | so that means that any user can login to my server and forward X11 apps right? |
| 23:10.11 | ludi | is that safe? or is there a secure way to do X11 Forwarding? |
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| 23:10.34 | nvz | ludi: ssh stands for Secure SHell |
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| 23:10.40 | bnoji | I managed to bypass the lock and alarm system with just a screwdriver in about 10 minutes. |
| 23:11.01 | bnoji | And it can be repeated in under 30 seconds. |
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| 23:11.06 | ludi | nvz: yes but I heard that setting "X11Forwarding yes" allows some insecurities...so I was wondering if there's a better way to set it up. |
| 23:11.12 | rrt | Can anyone offer suggestions on how to rip a cd to create flac files? |
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| 23:11.34 | nvz | ludi: how secure depends on which protocol you use and your methods of authentication, as well as all the other methods of local and remote access to the systems in question |
| 23:11.35 | directhex | rrt, install goobox, ask for flac output |
| 23:11.49 | ludi | nvz: I'm just thinking strictly in terms of ssh and X11 forwarding... |
| 23:11.58 | ludi | assuming ssh protocol version 2 only |
| 23:12.03 | rrt | directhex: thanks |
| 23:12.18 | K_Dallas | i had this problem before and on this new installation i am getting it again, from time to time my box freezes and there is nothing i could do to make it work but rebooting. is it because of sarge or because of my system? which log file i should look into for further investigation? thanks |
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| 23:13.06 | rob_lt | rrt, what desktop are you using? |
| 23:13.12 | K_Dallas | gnome |
| 23:13.37 | directhex | K_Dallas, /var/log/kern.log |
| 23:13.44 | K_Dallas | thx |
| 23:13.50 | directhex | K_Dallas, also consider running memtest86+ for 24 hours or so |
| 23:14.13 | rrt | gnome |
| 23:14.17 | K_Dallas | i did it only for 20 min ;) but ok |
| 23:15.01 | rob_lt | rrt, ok, if you were using KDE there is a nice little feature where you just click on the CD icon, and there are mp3/flac/vorbis directories that you can just drag to the desktop and *poof*, it is done |
| 23:15.08 | K_Dallas | btw, does this log file includes messages during the boot procedure as well? |
| 23:16.02 | directhex | K_Dallas, yes |
| 23:16.08 | K_Dallas | great, thank you |
| 23:16.17 | directhex | rob_lt, they stole that from BeOS |
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| 23:16.44 | K_Dallas | how do you steal in an opensource framework? ;) |
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| 23:17.11 | rob_lt | directhex, never used BeOS, but those that did seem to think alot of it. |
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| 23:17.22 | directhex | rob_lt, that's because it rocked! |
| 23:17.22 | parsec | beos was awful |
| 23:17.30 | K_Dallas | i heard that BeOS is coming back |
| 23:17.37 | parsec | i hope not |
| 23:17.38 | parsec | it was a job |
| 23:17.39 | parsec | jock |
| 23:17.40 | parsec | jok |
| 23:17.41 | parsec | joke |
| 23:17.48 | directhex | nah, it's dead now, despite what some think |
| 23:17.50 | K_Dallas | :) |
| 23:17.56 | parsec | it's dead |
| 23:18.03 | parsec | and it isn't coming back |
| 23:18.04 | parsec | thank god |
| 23:18.12 | K_Dallas | well it was on slashdot or somewhere else another company is making it revive or soemthing |
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| 23:18.19 | parsec | ya right -] |
| 23:18.20 | directhex | there's a commercial project which is gluing community open source and hexedit hacks onto the last version, and a Free binary-compatible reimplementation |
| 23:18.28 | phaedral | "Installing the Debian base system" |
| 23:18.29 | phaedral | ;) |
| 23:18.36 | parsec | dondelcaro: i'll ignore that |
| 23:18.47 | parsec | i wrote an irc client for beos |
| 23:18.49 | Moonscope | howdy all. |
| 23:19.22 | SaMRoX_ | why my numkeypad doesn't work inside linux? (it works in the splash screen) HELP!!! thx |
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| 23:19.35 | directhex | SaMRoX_, which splash screen is that? |
| 23:19.36 | dondelelcaro | right... troll about some random OS, and /part... |
| 23:19.47 | SaMRoX_ | directhex, when I login |
| 23:20.03 | SaMRoX_ | Im using Ubuntu but they couldnt help me |
| 23:20.07 | Fo | damn, just upgraded distro to sarge and my bind isnt working, syslog is saying that the /var/run/bind/run/named.pid isnt exist but wtf, there is named.pid - clean file |
| 23:20.08 | dondelelcaro | (not that I care one way or another about BeOS... although, at the time, the BeBoxen were rather interesting) |
| 23:20.17 | directhex | SaMRoX_, but it's an ubuntu problem |
| 23:20.34 | K_Dallas | BTW, how do you send a fax in linux? I have never had a modem working under linux so never bothered to learn but now it seems that the hardware modem i have bought is being recognized so tempted to try it afterall |
| 23:20.34 | directhex | Fo, you should be using bind9 |
| 23:20.35 | dondelelcaro | SaMRoX_: uh, and numlock is on? does it work at the commandline? |
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| 23:20.44 | SaMRoX_ | don_inlab, yes |
| 23:20.48 | SaMRoX_ | dondek, yes |
| 23:20.52 | Fo | directhex : yes, sorry iv ment - bind9 |
| 23:20.53 | SaMRoX_ | dondelelcaro, yes |
| 23:20.54 | SaMRoX_ | lol |
| 23:20.55 | K_Dallas | :) |
| 23:21.04 | phaedral | any reason not to let grub go in mbr? |
| 23:21.06 | dondelelcaro | SaMRoX_: yes to both questions? |
| 23:21.11 | dondelelcaro | phaedral: generally not. |
| 23:21.16 | SaMRoX_ | yesap |
| 23:21.17 | phaedral | dondelelcaro: thnx |
| 23:21.22 | directhex | dondelelcaro, which part, the dual processorness, or the staggering array of I/O ports including the miscelaneous geeking port? |
| 23:21.32 | dondelelcaro | directhex: Yes. |
| 23:21.44 | phaedral | here goes.... |
| 23:22.12 | SaMRoX_ | and I also tryed others desktop managers and I have the same problem in all |
| 23:22.15 | dondelelcaro | SaMRoX_: then you probably haven't selected the proper keyboard in your XFree86-4 configuration file. |
| 23:22.35 | dondelelcaro | SaMRoX_: dpkg-reconfigure xorg or whatever the X package is called in Ubuntu and reconfigure the thing. |
| 23:22.36 | Fo | directhex : any clue ? |
| 23:22.47 | directhex | Fo, nope, sorry |
| 23:22.48 | SaMRoX_ | it says something of "105 something" |
| 23:22.49 | drac | SaMRoX_: xserver-xorg |
| 23:22.56 | SaMRoX_ | I dont know what to put |
| 23:23.01 | phaedral | Welcome to your new Debian system! |
| 23:23.05 | phaedral | :) |
| 23:23.11 | drac | !congratulate phaedral |
| 23:23.11 | dpkg | Woohoo phaedral, you did it! |
| 23:23.19 | phaedral | next, can i get any kind of X going on it :) |
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| 23:23.23 | python | hello |
| 23:23.29 | dondelelcaro | SaMRoX_: put the correct entry in. pc104 us, or whatever you actually have. |
| 23:23.56 | dondelelcaro | SaMRoX_: then restart X, log in, and run xev to see what events the numeric keypad is sending out. |
| 23:24.15 | roo9 | is anyone here familar with ISOLINUX, i'm trying to create a bootable CD to boot a specific kernel, can i just invoke the mkisofs command with the kernel i want in the root of the CD, the doccumentation aludes to a configuration file, but i cannot seem to find one. |
| 23:24.29 | deadcat | dondelelcaro: were you here when bob2 was talking about getting his G4 sleeping with ubuntu? and that link i gave you? |
| 23:24.32 | SaMRoX_ | ok, thx dondelelcaro |
| 23:24.40 | Fo | think ill gonna reinstall it |
| 23:24.49 | dondelelcaro | deadcat: yeah. I've got the link... I just haven't had a chance to try it yet. |
| 23:25.17 | deadcat | dondelelcaro: when you do try. also test the bootsplash patch (= |
| 23:25.22 | dondelelcaro | blech |
| 23:25.23 | challenged | hmm...evolution-exchange no longer works 8(... |
| 23:25.28 | SaMRoX_ | hey, dondelelcaro, I just discovered my numkeypad moves the omuse!!!!!!!!!! |
| 23:25.30 | SaMRoX_ | mouse |
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| 23:25.36 | ar3dam | hi there, i have a ftp server with wu-ftpd, but the last time, i cant overwrite file... |
| 23:25.39 | deadcat | dondelelcaro: test dammit!!! |
| 23:25.47 | dondelelcaro | SaMRoX_: shift-numlock will disable that, iirc. |
| 23:25.54 | joloc | problems building atmelwlandriver: /lib/modules/2.6.10-1-686/build: No such file or directory. |
| 23:26.04 | SaMRoX_ | LOL IT WORK NOWWWWWWWWWW |
| 23:26.06 | SaMRoX_ | lolol 35144351 |
| 23:26.10 | bob2 | bootsplash is annoyinh |
| 23:26.12 | SaMRoX_ | I cant belevie it |
| 23:26.18 | dondelelcaro | SaMRoX_: stop with the caps and stuff, please... |
| 23:26.30 | bob2 | joloc: install build-essential and kernel-headers-2.6.10-1-686 |
| 23:26.32 | SaMRoX_ | ok, sory, i was happy :P |
| 23:26.33 | SaMRoX_ | thx |
| 23:26.38 | dondelelcaro | SaMRoX_: np. |
| 23:26.40 | deadcat | SaMRoX_: shutup |
| 23:26.50 | SaMRoX_ | :) |
| 23:27.23 | cafuego | The sleeping is trivial, the waking up part is hard ;-) |
| 23:27.37 | ar3dam | hi there, i have a ftp server with wu-ftpd, but the last time, i cant overwrite file... any advice? |
| 23:27.51 | deadcat | cafuego: haha. true |
| 23:27.59 | FieldySnuts | @lart wu-ftpd security record |
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| 23:28.08 | linuxfreck | wu-ftpd is crap, but check your filesystem permissions |
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| 23:29.12 | jtaylor | my initrd tries to insmod md-personality-3 which should be the raid1 module. I added alias md-personality-3 raid1 to /etc/modules.conf but this did not help. Any ideas how to force this? I cant help feeling this would work if initrd was modprobeing instead of insmoding. Any ideas? |
| 23:29.38 | joloc | bob2: is there any debian package instead of atmelwlandriver (sourceforge)? |
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| 23:30.21 | bob2 | joloc: probably, at-cache search atmel |
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| 23:30.51 | challenged | i think ive found a broken package 8(....only broke since an upgrade to evolution |
| 23:31.05 | bob2 | ... |
| 23:31.07 | bob2 | then file a bug |
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| 23:32.21 | phaedral | about how many packages if i only selected "desktop environment"? |
| 23:32.40 | phaedral | (or where should I be looking to find answer for myself...) |
| 23:32.43 | directhex | dpkg, m-a $1 $2 is <reply>$2: apt-get install module-assistant && m-a a-i $1 |
| 23:32.43 | dpkg | directhex: okay |
| 23:32.51 | directhex | dpkg, m-a nvidia directhex |
| 23:32.52 | dpkg | directhex: apt-get install module-assistant && m-a a-i nvidia |
| 23:33.51 | deadcat | man m-a rocks. i dont even have to untar the module source codes no more (= |
| 23:34.27 | deadcat | is m-a used when i make-kpkg? i am not sure because i have /usr/src/modules/nvidia and /usr/src/nvidia...tar.gz as well. |
| 23:34.43 | phaedral | directhex: i almost understand what you said to that poor infobot |
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| 23:37.02 | Fo | directhex : please, can you look at #flood |
| 23:38.25 | Fo | ppl, gonna paste something at #flood, please take a look |
| 23:38.38 | challenged | hmm unbutu debs are much different from debian debs?....i think this bug is fixed in unbutu.....debians is still broken |
| 23:38.51 | FieldySnuts | !irritate Fo |
| 23:38.52 | dpkg | Fo: HELP ME!!! who uses dvd !!!1 |
| 23:39.03 | Fo | ee ? |
| 23:39.23 | Guerin | challenged: use at your own risk |
| 23:39.34 | deadcat | challenged: time to switch. |
| 23:39.41 | Guerin | deadcat: ? |
| 23:39.53 | deadcat | Guerin: for him to go ubuntu. |
| 23:39.57 | deadcat | then shut the fuck up |
| 23:39.58 | Guerin | why? |
| 23:40.08 | deadcat | ^^ (= |
| 23:40.15 | Guerin | ... |
| 23:40.17 | challenged | deadcat: nah...i like debian..unbutu is alright but deb is home |
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| 23:40.28 | deadcat | challenged: shutup |
| 23:41.05 | challenged | deadcat: lol....deadcat upset about something? |
| 23:41.17 | deadcat | hahaha. nothing (= |
| 23:42.02 | challenged | not to worry i have ways to work around this hehe |
| 23:42.08 | deadcat | family guy is back on FOX this sunday. weeeeee |
| 23:42.18 | caphuso | deadcat: sweet |
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| 23:42.46 | deadcat | caphuso: ya. the promo showed brian punch stewie and walks away. (= |
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| 23:42.53 | caphuso | that means all i have to do is wait 2 years for the german translation, running thursday night at 2:00am |
| 23:42.54 | patofeo | -es |
| 23:43.01 | scorphus | what is the af_packet module for? |
| 23:43.03 | jtaylor | my initrd tries to insmod md-personality-3 which should be the raid1 module. I added alias md-personality-3 raid1 to /etc/modules.conf but this did not help. Any ideas how to force this? I cant help feeling this would work if initrd was modprobeing instead of insmoding. Any ideas? |
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| 23:43.11 | scorphus | !af_packet |
| 23:43.15 | caphuso | or some other equally braindamaged time slot |
| 23:43.26 | python | is there any sites that compare the differet filing systems |
| 23:43.49 | caphuso | python: probably a few hundred |
| 23:43.50 | Guerin | !filesystems |
| 23:43.50 | dpkg | Journaling filesystems in a nutshell: <peterS> fast but dangerous: reiserfs. slow but reliable: ext3. fast, mostly reliable, and *huge*: xfs. medium speed, probably reliable: jfs. unknown, probably buggy: reiser4. If you have to ask, use ext3, or see http://fsbench.netnation.com/ |
| 23:43.55 | cafuego | jtaylor: Did you read the contents of /etc/modules.conf ? |
| 23:43.58 | FieldySnuts | @start a fs war |
| 23:43.59 | ravenbird | UFS is better than NTFS!! |
| 23:44.29 | jtaylor | cafuego, ya... i added it to the aliases file and ran update-modules |
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| 23:45.10 | jtaylor | cafuego, but in general if i do an insmod md-personality-3 it will not load raid1 module whereas modprobe will load raid1 |
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| 23:45.29 | Guerin | !insmod |
| 23:45.29 | dpkg | Sorry, that command doesn't exist. Surely you meant "modprobe"?, or modprobe also loads dependencies, insmod only loads what you tell it to load. NEVER attempt to use insmod under 2.6. Use modprobe. Did we mention "modprobe" yet? |
| 23:45.34 | cafuego | jtaylor: Then you need to add whatever module it is that raid1 depends on. |
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| 23:46.25 | jtaylor | cafuego, i dont think it depends on anything... insmod fails saying it cannot find md-personality-3 module |
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| 23:47.46 | chip14 | hello |
| 23:47.46 | joloc | my wlan card doesn't see access point. possible causes? access point seen by other hosts in wlan. |
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| 23:48.01 | J_P | hi all |
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| 23:48.21 | deadcat | joloc: bad card. bad chips. crappy chips, orinoco+netgear? |
| 23:48.32 | J_P | people, in sarge not have mplayer.. where i find sources.list p debian packages for mplayer ? |
| 23:48.38 | cafuego | !stab netgear |
| 23:48.47 | caphuso | J_P: /msg dpkg marillat |
| 23:48.54 | joloc | deadcat: sitecom wl-011. |
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| 23:48.58 | deadcat | !tell J_P about marillad |
| 23:49.04 | deadcat | !tell J_P about marillat |
| 23:49.25 | deadcat | joloc: what chipset? |
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| 23:49.41 | joloc | deadcat: atmel afaik |
| 23:49.43 | J_P | thankx |
| 23:49.48 | chip14 | I am having trouble using a static IP address. I am following the 'high level' instructions in the Debian reference page about networking config. |
| 23:49.52 | deadcat | joloc: using ndis? |
| 23:50.03 | joloc | deadcat: what is ndis? |
| 23:50.04 | Tourinho | hello all... after umpacking and compiling kernel 2.6.11.7 and boot the system freeze after "Uncompressing Linux... Ok, booting the kernel." does anyone know why? |
| 23:50.15 | deadcat | joloc: nevermind. what driver you using? |
| 23:50.26 | chip14 | Using ipconfig/route at the terminal work fine, but that is only for the session. I can't get it to permanently be that way... /etc/network/interfaces is not working for me. |
| 23:50.30 | jtaylor | cafuego, if it were up to me i would have my initrd use modprobe instead but it seems intent on insmod md-personality-3 when it sees the raid drives. Is there a way to change this to modprobe since clearly insmod wont work in this case? |
| 23:50.31 | caphuso | Tourinho: because you misconfigured it |
| 23:50.51 | joloc | deadcat: erm.. tried to use the atmel_cs module. right now compiling atmelwlandriver |
| 23:50.57 | joloc | deadcat: seems to be recognised by cardctl and iwconfig |
| 23:51.10 | Tourinho | caphuso no.. with the kernel that came with sarge t happens too |
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| 23:51.17 | deadcat | joloc: oh. no clue then. maybe just crappy chipset. (= |
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| 23:51.30 | joloc | deadcat: worked under kernel 2.4, but not under 2.6 |
| 23:51.34 | dvs | Tourinho: did it work when you installed sarge? |
| 23:51.56 | caphuso | Tourinho: how did you manage to install sarge if the kernel didn't work? |
| 23:52.03 | bucky | chip14, ifdown && ifup eth0 will use the settings in your interfaces file |
| 23:52.05 | Tourinho | dvs only for kernel 2.4.. with kernel 2.6 didnt works |
| 23:52.07 | Tourinho | work |
| 23:52.08 | dvs | !worked in 2.4 |
| 23:52.08 | dpkg | Every time you say "___ doesn't work in 2.6, but it worked in 2.4", a 25 cent (USD) surcharge must be paid to greycat. |
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| 23:52.27 | Tourinho | caphuso I had installed it with kernel 2.4 before :D |
| 23:52.37 | joloc | dvs: greycat is a rich man |
| 23:52.45 | caphuso | Tourinho: which 2.6 kernel image did you install? |
| 23:52.46 | dvs | joloc: He sure is |
| 23:52.50 | jtaylor | caphuso, btw im using 2.4 |
| 23:52.52 | bucky | chip14, or /etc/init.d/networking restart |
| 23:53.12 | Tourinho | caphuso Ive got kernel sources from kernel.org and compiled it |
| 23:53.29 | chip14 | bucky, how can I get that to occur at boot-up? |
| 23:53.32 | caphuso | Tourinho: so you did not use a debian packaged 2.6 kernel? |
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| 23:53.42 | Tourinho | caphuso nope |
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| 23:53.50 | bucky | chip14, have auto eth0 |
| 23:53.51 | caphuso | Tourinho: then you misconfigured it |
| 23:53.57 | kevina | shingouz, you there man? |
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| 23:54.21 | Tourinho | caphuso.. maybe.. but when I try to install from sarge using bf26.. it doesnt work too |
| 23:54.32 | Tourinho | so.. I guess it is not misconfigured |
| 23:54.33 | directhex | sarge doesn't use boot floppies |
| 23:54.40 | directhex | "linux26" for a 2.6 kernel |
| 23:54.47 | kevina | Question: How do I change my username? |
| 23:54.50 | kevina | in bitchx? |
| 23:54.57 | directhex | ./nick foo |
| 23:55.02 | kevina | ./nick shimano55 |
| 23:55.03 | FieldySnuts | username not nick |
| 23:55.04 | chip14 | bucky, doing ifdown eth0 && ifup eth0 works for me. so how do I do auto eth0? I'm new to Debian. |
| 23:55.13 | kevina | ./username shimano55 |
| 23:55.16 | drac | / |
| 23:55.31 | directhex | without the . |
| 23:55.33 | shimano55 | ok |
| 23:55.39 | bucky | chip14, in /etc/network/interfaces |
| 23:55.39 | *** join/#debian IFR (~chatzilla@cpe-69-204-132-232.nycap.res.rr.com) |
| 23:55.40 | caphuso | /haha, directhex can't start lines with a slash |
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| 23:55.50 | drac | :b |
| 23:55.59 | Tourinho | directhex at help screen it shows to use bf26 to boot with 2.6 kernel |
| 23:56.08 | directhex | caphuso, i was under the impression that the flags on #debian wouldn'ty allow my usual avoidance tactic |
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| 23:56.17 | IFR | HI, all -- Anyone using FUSE? I'm trying to find a repository which has sshfs-fuse in it. . . |
| 23:56.19 | directhex | Tourinho, take a photo, file a bug. |
| 23:56.28 | directhex | testing |
| 23:56.28 | shimano55 | Question: I just installed the Debian base system as well as Bitchx and Gnome-Core..the problem is, I don't know how to get Debian to start-up into gnome. Even though it's installed, it starts in the base system. Anyone know how to get the GUI working? |
| 23:56.31 | directhex | ooh? |
| 23:56.32 | caphuso | Tourinho: where did you get those sarge CDs from? |
| 23:56.34 | directhex | /quit |
| 23:56.43 | directhex | hm, seems the ircd changed again |
| 23:56.53 | shimano55 | directhex, try /exit |
| 23:57.03 | caphuso | directhex: why does the ircd matter? |
| 23:57.14 | Tourinho | caphuso from debian site mirror |
| 23:57.42 | directhex | caphuso, because the ircd on quakenet now counts bold and underlines as blocked by the no-colors channel flag, so i can't use double-bold to start lines with / |
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| 23:57.56 | directhex | caphuso, the ircd on freenode also had that, temporarily |
| 23:58.01 | jtaylor | is there any way to force initrd to use modprobe instead of insmod? |
| 23:58.07 | directhex | Tourinho, link? |
| 23:58.16 | chip14 | bucky, nevermind... I figured out what you meant. |
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| 23:58.23 | chip14 | bucky, thanks for the help. |
| 23:58.34 | caphuso | directhex: get a decent IRC client... or use something like /quote privmsg #debian /foo |
| 23:58.39 | shimano55 | No one knows how to get Debian to start in Gnome? |
| 23:58.43 | caphuso | shimano55: startx |
| 23:58.54 | shimano55 | caphuso, thanks brb |
| 23:58.57 | directhex | shimano55, trivially. install xfree86, gnome, and gdm |
| 23:59.00 | directhex | gah |
| 23:59.31 | Tourinho | directhex http://cdimage.debian.org/pub/cdimage-testing/sarge_d-i/i386/rc3/sarge-i386-netinst.iso |
| 23:59.35 | Guerin | grrr, if my offlineimap sync froze halfway through, and I run it again, will it delete messages which weren't yet downloaded? |
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| 23:59.56 | Guerin | since the whole point of the program is to make my remote imap and local cache the same.... |
| 23:59.59 | directhex | Tourinho, that _DEFINITELY_ shouldn't have said "bf26" |
