| 00:00.23 | NeedVaseline | directhex: I'm looking job as linux server administrator at low scale for learning |
| 00:00.49 | NeedVaseline | directhex: I've forgot a lot of stuff, I even type slower |
| 00:01.10 | gsp | WolfCub do I just type all of that in? |
| 00:01.15 | WolfCub_1000 | Copy paste. |
| 00:01.18 | NeedVaseline | gsp: Yes |
| 00:01.43 | gsp | here goes... |
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| 00:02.04 | CyL | cafuego<=- Quoted from the logs: Denying user "root" access to printer "bjc1000"... this is insane |
| 00:02.16 | NeedVaseline | * gsp has quit IRC (Apt-get timeout) |
| 00:02.39 | gnufan | the vim line numbering thing... " %s/^/\=line(".")." "/ " okay it took me a while but I learnt a lot of vim |
| 00:02.48 | anhi | now i've got a problem: /proc/swaps contains "/var/swap\040(deleted) file 1837048 371648 -4" :/ |
| 00:03.22 | resiak | directhex: Should I use /etc/debian_version as a check for Debian in n-i ? |
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| 00:03.25 | anhi | and i cant get red of it :/ |
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| 00:04.52 | Whoppix | sup |
| 00:04.53 | directhex | resiak, it's a reasonable test for debian lineage, which i suppose is all that's needed |
| 00:04.54 | Whoppix | any hacker? |
| 00:05.03 | resiak | directhex: Do derivatives have it? |
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| 00:05.22 | directhex | resiak, my suggestion would to merely give a "do you want to continue" warning, along the lines of rivafb - innacurate, but usually read |
| 00:05.39 | directhex | resiak, all debian derrivatives have debian_version, yes |
| 00:05.40 | resiak | directhex: Where's the rivafb one? |
| 00:05.48 | resiak | directhex: That's what I was planning on doing. |
| 00:05.50 | directhex | resiak, give me a min to get the source |
| 00:05.54 | resiak | directhex: Sure. |
| 00:06.04 | sonimt | even hammer says my shit is propah, werd. |
| 00:06.09 | resiak | directhex: to n-i? I have it here, so. |
| 00:06.09 | Whoppix_User_F1r | is there any whoppix hacker? |
| 00:06.32 | shining | I was still looking at smoothman stuff. there is 2 commands that does it directly (without sed) : nl -ba and cat -n :) |
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| 00:06.58 | neemz | whats the standard debian FTP server? |
| 00:07.03 | directhex | whoppix? that's a new one |
| 00:07.07 | neemz | I know there isn't really a standard |
| 00:07.13 | neemz | but whats the defacto standard? |
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| 00:07.19 | Delph | neemz: debian.org will have links. |
| 00:07.31 | neemz | ftp daemon |
| 00:07.34 | Delph | oh, the FTP server with debian on it, or the ftp server you install from debian? |
| 00:07.37 | Delph | neemz: there are many. |
| 00:07.42 | Delph | there is no defacto standard. |
| 00:07.47 | Delph | apt-cache search ftp and choose one. |
| 00:07.47 | neemz | which would you recommend |
| 00:07.47 | directhex | resiak, rivafb sanity checks in kernel.c |
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| 00:08.03 | resiak | directhex: Okay. |
| 00:08.05 | neemz | cos my server has just died and the server support people have put bog standard woody on |
| 00:08.13 | neemz | i've got no packages and a 2.2pci-ide kernel |
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| 00:08.46 | NeedVaseline | directhex: What do you suggest for being a good linux server admin ? (web, mail, lan managing, etc) |
| 00:09.13 | cafuego | neemz: Step one: security updates; Step 2: update kernel. |
| 00:09.21 | cureless | NeedVaseline: what do you mean? |
| 00:09.26 | neemz | updating the kernel on a remote machine scares me so much |
| 00:09.29 | directhex | NeedVaseline, experimentation, and a big pile of CVs mailed to everyone |
| 00:09.34 | neemz | but I need to for virtual network interfaces |
| 00:09.39 | NeedVaseline | cureless: Well, I would like to work as server admin in near future |
| 00:09.49 | shining | neemz, train at home :) |
| 00:09.53 | furrywolf | needvaseline: vaseline is way too thick... the new silicone lubes (wet platinum, etc) are much better. :P |
| 00:09.58 | cafuego | neemz: I suggest a precompiled debian-packaged sarge 2.4.2X kernel. |
| 00:10.16 | CyL | cafuego<=- every time i try to print /var/log/cups/error_log reports it was unable to convert file 0 to printable format. Any clue? |
| 00:10.19 | resiak | directhex: Tomorrow, i@ll do it. |
| 00:10.23 | NeedVaseline | furrywolf: I will think about that |
| 00:10.24 | cafuego | neemz: The only thing you really need worry about is if ou have an 8139 nic |
| 00:10.27 | resiak | directhex: Or perhaps at the weekend :) |
| 00:10.28 | neemz | if I apt-get a packaged one will it know to load the correct modules for my network card? |
| 00:10.28 | cureless | NeedVaseline: read the "Unix System Administration Handbook", run Unix, and start by doing some small admin stuff. |
| 00:10.30 | gsp | ok... I followed the one liner... and it said everything was already there for my NVidia card |
| 00:10.39 | cafuego | CyL: missing driver and/or helper application. |
| 00:10.51 | NeedVaseline | cureless: unix unix or linux? |
| 00:11.10 | gsp | and it still won't start |
| 00:11.13 | cureless | NeedVaseline: or the "Linux Administration Handbook" for that matter (green cover). |
| 00:11.15 | gsp | do I need to reboot? |
| 00:11.29 | NeedVaseline | cureless: I'm thinking on doing practices on gentoo too |
| 00:11.45 | cureless | NeedVaseline: a lot of stuff will be the same, a lot will not, even from distro to distro. |
| 00:11.48 | NeedVaseline | cureless: always been on debian, gameservers, lan managing, web hosting |
| 00:12.02 | NeedVaseline | cureless: Then you suggest that book |
| 00:12.07 | NeedVaseline | cureless: I will look for it now... |
| 00:12.20 | cureless | cureless: yes, the bible IMHO. |
| 00:12.36 | NeedVaseline | Are you speaking to yourself, cureless? |
| 00:12.37 | furrywolf | hrmm. .12-rc3 finally doesn't hang when loading the driver for my usb 2.0 card... still doesn't work though unless I give pci=noacpi. |
| 00:12.47 | cureless | hehe, sorry. |
| 00:13.08 | NeedVaseline | Dont say sorry, I was joking :P |
| 00:13.18 | drac | I have this old Osborne Model 7056L 15" monitor, and can't find specs of it in google.. Can anyone tell me please some common vertical and horizontal values 15" monitors had in 1991? |
| 00:13.26 | CyL | cafuego<=- I've already installed Gimp Print drivers for my printer... I guess it should be the helper application... what would be a good default? |
| 00:13.30 | cafuego | drac: X -configure |
| 00:13.35 | directhex | drac, why bother? |
| 00:13.39 | directhex | !tell drac about hwinfo |
| 00:13.44 | cafuego | CyL: That depends entirely on the printer. |
| 00:13.45 | cureless | NeedVaseline: the FreeBSD Handbook is also a good choice for reading. |
| 00:13.46 | drac | directhex: It's kinda buzzing.. |
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| 00:14.11 | drac | cafuego: I guess that would fsck my mergedfb dualhead X.Org setup? :P |
| 00:14.11 | Guerin | ffs, how much does a 15" monitor cost nowadays |
| 00:14.12 | Guerin | ? |
| 00:14.25 | NeedVaseline | cureless: Oh, good old days trying to learn FBSD |
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| 00:14.35 | CyL | cafuego<=- shoudn't the helper application be installed with the cups packages? |
| 00:14.42 | neemz | how can I pull off the model number of the NIC to see if its built into the prepackaged kernel? |
| 00:15.01 | CyL | nemo<=- lspci |
| 00:15.06 | neemz | ta |
| 00:15.41 | neemz | Ethernet controller: Realtek Semiconductor Co., Ltd. RTL-8139 (rev 10) |
| 00:15.58 | CyL | So it is realtek 8139 |
| 00:16.09 | neemz | Why do I have a feeling thats a bad thing |
| 00:16.30 | CyL | neemz<=- My is the same nic... why are you telling this? |
| 00:16.47 | neemz | because cafuego said I might have trouble if its a 8139 |
| 00:17.00 | CyL | neemz<=- what is your issue? |
| 00:17.18 | neemz | im going to update the kernel and have to be sure the network will come back up if I do it and reboot |
| 00:17.28 | cafuego | neemz: Just make sure the driver can be loaded with a new kernel. it got renamed from 'rtl8139' to '8139too' |
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| 00:18.08 | CyL | neemz<=- what kernel are you going to upgrade to? i did it to 2.6.8 few hours ago and it worked just fine |
| 00:18.10 | neemz | it allready says 8139too in the /etc/modules |
| 00:18.13 | drac | hwinfo comes out with no results. |
| 00:18.14 | drac | :\ |
| 00:18.20 | cafuego | neemz: You on a 2.2 kernel? |
| 00:18.20 | neemz | im going from a 2.2 to a 2.4 methinks |
| 00:18.28 | neemz | yes |
| 00:18.34 | cafuego | Hmm ok, should be fine then. |
| 00:18.52 | neemz | I vaguely remember a year ago having a problem related to this doing the same thing |
| 00:19.03 | neemz | and I needed to add yet another line to the modules |
| 00:19.07 | neemz | but I can't remember what it was |
| 00:19.12 | cafuego | I don't suppose any of you have ever had to import ATRAC3 audio from an MD into Linux eh? |
| 00:19.18 | CyL | cafuego<=- I was running 2.4 befor I upgraded to 2.6 and it also was just out of the box.... |
| 00:19.42 | cafuego | CyL: We're not talking about 2.4 -> 2.6 |
| 00:19.46 | directhex | cafuego, i'd answer your question, but fear sony will smite me with patents |
| 00:19.52 | NeedVaseline | Ok guys |
| 00:19.56 | NeedVaseline | I am off to sleep now |
| 00:20.07 | cafuego | Supposedly audacity can do it, but all I get is screeching and static ;-) |
| 00:20.58 | neemz | did you select the correct version of atrac? |
| 00:20.58 | NeedVaseline | ¬¬ |
| 00:20.58 | cafuego | neemz: I doubt it; it will only import it as 'raw'. |
| 00:20.58 | directhex | furrywolf, they have chapped lips |
| 00:21.06 | Delph | furrywolf: says the nonspecific furry nickname =:) |
| 00:21.12 | cafuego | it's a new Hi-MD disc; interview recordings needing to be transcribed. |
| 00:21.28 | directhex | furrywolf, anyway, someone who proclaims they need vaseline is more socially acceptable than a furry... |
| 00:21.56 | furrywolf | how more specific would you want me to be? FurryGreyWolfWhoIsSixFootZeroStraightMaleAndLikesSnuggles? |
| 00:22.33 | directhex | no detail needed or wanted |
| 00:22.35 | cafuego | you're lying! |
| 00:22.42 | directhex | cafuego, careful, they're rather yiffy |
| 00:22.53 | cafuego | directhex: It's OK, I'm good with dogs. |
| 00:23.10 | Delph | cafuego: never had a rabbit try it on then? *has a go at cafuego's foot* |
| 00:23.33 | directhex | the furries, they're everywhere! |
| 00:23.35 | furrywolf | " someone who proclaims they need vaseline is more socially acceptable than a furry" and how's that? probably depends on what the vaseline is for, I guess... |
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| 00:23.42 | cafuego | Delph: Not unless you count those few games of 'konijnebal' |
| 00:23.59 | cafuego | furrywolf: Normally for protecting one's hair when going swimming eh? |
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| 00:24.11 | NeedVaseline | Yes, cafuego is right! |
| 00:24.16 | furrywolf | cafuego: that sounds disgusting. lol |
| 00:24.20 | Delph | cafuego: I dont really want to know what konijnebal is, but I fear i'm going to google anyway. |
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| 00:24.32 | cafuego | Delph: 'rabbit ball' |
| 00:24.36 | furrywolf | ah, more wolves. :) |
| 00:24.56 | CyL | cafuego<=- Thanks buddy... my printer is now working for me! It was the lack of a helper application... |
| 00:25.10 | Delph | cafuego: smeeef! *hides under the sofa* |
| 00:25.32 | furrywolf | http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=5186287111&rd=1&sspagename=STRK%3AMEWA%3AIT&rd=1 <== I should have bid more on that... sniped at $60, should have sniped at $100. oh well. just don't have the cash. |
| 00:25.45 | cafuego | Delph: That's where the cats sleep... |
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| 00:26.15 | Delph | cafuego: well, they're going to have to fight me for it. |
| 00:26.38 | Delph | anyhow, since when has #debian had cats? |
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| 00:26.51 | cafuego | Delph: #debian has had cats for ages. |
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| 00:27.12 | Delph | well i've never seen them. |
| 00:27.30 | cafuego | Delph: That's co they're aleep under the sofa :-P |
| 00:27.38 | NeedVaseline | Im ouT! |
| 00:28.29 | Delph | (imagine my M key doesn't really work too well) |
| 00:28.44 | directhex | cafuego, 2gb is nice |
| 00:28.46 | cafuego | this 90MB mp3 is making my machine do poo |
| 00:28.58 | directhex | cafuego, i'm considering another 2gb =] |
| 00:29.02 | furrywolf | I have 2gb in this box... and I use all of it. none spare. :P |
| 00:29.25 | cafuego | directhex: Only 512MB atm, moved 1GB to the vmware box that runs a couple of guest OSes for development |
| 00:29.34 | damog | what's a furry? |
| 00:29.42 | furrywolf | apt: what is furry? |
| 00:29.45 | apt | furrywolf: what are you talking about? |
| 00:29.52 | cafuego | Which reminds me, I should have a crack at the media box |
| 00:29.55 | furrywolf | hrmm. apt no longer remembers it |
| 00:30.07 | Guerin | a furry is someone who likes to dress up in a plush animal suit and pretend to be a maing animal |
| 00:30.24 | Delph | Guerin: or appreciates 'artwork' |
| 00:30.27 | damog | Guerin: I see. |
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| 00:30.43 | directhex | or someone who doesn't like somethingawful.com |
| 00:30.53 | Guerin | haha |
| 00:30.54 | furrywolf | damog: furries are people with a strong connection or interest in anthropomorphic animals. |
| 00:30.54 | scarynetworkguy | Guerin: I think you meant "A freak who needs to be beaten to death with a chair." Didn't you? |
| 00:31.12 | Guerin | scarynetworkguy: naw, I'm tolerant. I just point and laugh. |
| 00:31.32 | scarynetworkguy | Guerin: Ahh. I OTOH like to solve my problems with violence. |
| 00:31.38 | furrywolf | scarynetworkguy: gee. that's nice. do you think blacks and jews should be too? |
| 00:31.50 | directhex | scarynetworkguy, furries are your problem? |
| 00:31.50 | Delph | scarynetworkguy: =:P Don't beat me. |
| 00:31.52 | scarynetworkguy | furrywolf: They aren't freaks are they? |
| 00:31.59 | Guerin | heh |
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| 00:32.06 | toresbe | scarynetworkguy: that's fairly arrogant. |
| 00:32.23 | scarynetworkguy | toresbe: I'm fairly arrogant guy, you should know that by now. |
| 00:32.29 | toresbe | scarynetworkguy: true, true |
| 00:32.52 | cafuego | A furry here is also known as a feral. They pretend to be artsy-fartsy alternative types. often lack dress-sense. |
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| 00:33.11 | Guerin | cafuego: IME they tend to hang out with goths and wiccans |
| 00:33.15 | furrywolf | scarynetworkguy: I don't remember being a freak... |
| 00:33.21 | Guerin | which is a bizarre contrast if ever I saw one |
| 00:33.24 | cafuego | Guerin: No, goths don't hang out with furries. |
| 00:33.24 | scarynetworkguy | furrywolf: The freaks never do. |
| 00:33.33 | Guerin | cafuego: not real goths, clearly. |
| 00:33.38 | cafuego | Guerin: No live wiccans have been seen here since the mid eighties ;-) |
| 00:33.44 | Guerin | haha |
| 00:33.45 | dondelelcaro | Guerin: they hang out with the VISIGOTHS |
| 00:33.52 | cafuego | wanna blessed be's |
| 00:33.56 | Guerin | dondelelcaro: not the oestrogoths? |
| 00:34.18 | directhex | Delph, is their world dark, man? |
| 00:34.21 | Guerin | (not to be confused with testostogoths) |
| 00:34.25 | Delph | directhex: not going there =:/ |
| 00:34.39 | gothtec | I can be classified as a goth, and I hang out with whomever the fuck I like, no matter what religion, color, music taste and whatever |
| 00:34.42 | dondelelcaro | Guerin: or the oostegogoths |
| 00:34.55 | Guerin | Delph: eeep... goth... furries ... breed |
| 00:34.58 | gnufan | vi how do I use what matched in the pattern part of a substitution in the string part? |
| 00:35.06 | gnufan | vi=>vim even |
| 00:35.07 | directhex | gothtec, no matter what type of fursuit they wear either? |
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| 00:35.20 | Phated | When did this turn into goth/wiccan/furry-bashing, then? |
| 00:35.21 | furrywolf | gnufan: I'd guess &, but I haven't checked. |
| 00:35.23 | toresbe | gothtec: Will you hang out with me plz i like polka and I dress in a tutu |
| 00:35.24 | Guerin | !gothsmite gothtec |
| 00:35.28 | gothtec | directhex: fur? |
| 00:35.30 | cafuego | Guerin: it's amazing how no matter how 'alternative' they are, they all start breeding and move to the suburbs when they turn 30-ish. |
| 00:35.31 | Delph | dondelelcaro: i never knew there were so many different breeds. |
| 00:35.40 | gothtec | Guerin :D |
| 00:36.06 | dondelelcaro | Phated: I think it's the typicaly * bashing.. NO ONE IS SAFE. |
| 00:36.08 | toresbe | directhex: hahaha |
| 00:36.24 | Phated | dondelelcaro: More extreme than usual though. :| |
| 00:36.27 | aum | hi - 'xmodmap -e "keysym Super_R = Super_L"' doesn't work, nor does 'xmodmap -e "ISO_Level3_Shift = Alt_L"' - any ideas? |
| 00:36.30 | directhex | cafuego, http://www.bbc.co.uk/h2g2/guide/A403642 |
| 00:36.48 | cafuego | directhex: yes, I've been to the tonw in question. |
| 00:37.01 | cafuego | directhex: I didn't see ogogogoths anytwhere |
| 00:37.06 | dondelelcaro | Phated: we could talk about Kandee or HouseHeads if that makes it more paletable |
| 00:37.17 | directhex | damn, was about to ask that >_< |
| 00:37.21 | Phated | dondelelcaro: We could talk about Debian. :) |
| 00:37.25 | gnufan | furrywolf, cheers |
| 00:37.32 | furrywolf | gnufan: that work? |
| 00:37.46 | cafuego | Phated: What is there to say about debian that hasn't already been said 200 times here? |
| 00:37.49 | dondelelcaro | Phated: but this is #debian. We can't talk about that. |
| 00:37.55 | Phated | Apparently not. |
| 00:38.07 | directhex | Phated, admit it, you're a Llanfairpwllgwyngyllgogerychwyrndrobwllllantysiliogogogoth in disguise! |
| 00:38.21 | Phated | Hardly. |
| 00:38.21 | cafuego | !pi |
| 00:38.21 | dpkg | it has been said that pi is 3.141592656589793238462643383729 |
| 00:38.21 | Guerin | <PROTECTED> |
| 00:38.43 | gnufan | furrywolf, yes - except now I think I need it in a function.... |
| 00:38.47 | Guerin | naw, phated can't be a goth |
| 00:39.06 | Guerin | she liked that stupid cop movie with sandra bullock version 2.0 |
| 00:39.09 | dondelelcaro | Guerin: schooluniformingoth? |
| 00:39.14 | furrywolf | gnufan: you're on your on there. glad I could help with the first question though. :) |
| 00:39.15 | Guerin | i can't even remember the name of it |
| 00:39.17 | Phated | No more uniforms! |
| 00:39.22 | directhex | dondelelcaro, sounds good, sign me up |
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| 00:39.36 | slyboots | Whats with all the furry bashing |
| 00:39.40 | gnufan | furrywolf, that vim question earlier got me thinking I could save so much time if I wrote a function to increment line numbers for a file format we use at work |
| 00:39.46 | gbarrios | good night i've a problem installin vsftpd in debian |
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| 00:39.59 | slyboots | Thats very last year ;) |
| 00:40.01 | directhex | slyboots, overexposure to somethingawful.com? |
| 00:40.06 | Guerin | slyboots: #debian bashes everyone. Deal. |
| 00:40.07 | gnufan | gbarrios, vsftpd is easy - whats up |
| 00:40.12 | slyboots | Is that site still around? |
| 00:40.13 | cafuego | gbarrios: Sorry, netiher Debian not GPL software are on topc here... |
| 00:40.20 | slyboots | I used to love their reviews of those Hentai games |
| 00:40.26 | slyboots | Ahh, Could bring tears to your eyes |
| 00:40.36 | gbarrios | gnufan: icannot install it man |
| 00:40.45 | directhex | slyboots, the archives are still there. and today's awful link of the day is particularly potent |
| 00:40.46 | Guerin | ]well, mby my calculations I'm supposed to start ork at another school in 15 minutes |
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| 00:40.51 | Delph | slyboots: furry bashing is great ^^ |
| 00:40.52 | Guerin | but my ride hasn't yet arrived |
| 00:40.59 | slyboots | Ehhh, its old-school |
| 00:41.02 | cafuego | Guerin: Ugh, roleplayer |
| 00:41.02 | furrywolf | slyboots: dunno what's with it. I can only think people here believe the mass media stupidity spread about furries, and don't actually know anything about furries... |
| 00:41.05 | gnufan | gbarrios, this is debian - you type "apt-get install vsftpd"... what happens? |
| 00:41.18 | Guerin | cafuego: eh? |
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| 00:41.31 | Delph | furrywolf: if bored, turn up to a LF meet, and i'll show you some real furries. Then this lot can be justified =:) |
| 00:41.38 | furrywolf | LF? |
| 00:41.38 | Guerin | furrywolf: c'mon, don't kid yourself. |
| 00:41.51 | gbarrios | gnufan:i'll try man |
| 00:41.57 | Delph | londonfurs. |
| 00:42.10 | directhex | there are furries in my country? eek! |
| 00:42.17 | Guerin | directhex: IN YOUR TOWN |
| 00:42.21 | Delph | directhex: there are at least three in your town |
| 00:42.25 | Guerin | possibly even in your neighborhood!!! |
| 00:42.27 | furrywolf | gnufan: what you're asking sounds like a one-line perl command. :) |
| 00:42.27 | Delph | at you university, even. |
| 00:42.36 | directhex | can't say i've seen them out & about |
| 00:42.38 | Delph | probably in the same department as you =:) |
| 00:42.49 | Guerin | furries under the ... curries. |
| 00:42.54 | slyboots | Yea, If they are wearing a tail.. they might just be a furry ;)( |
| 00:43.08 | directhex | okay, to be fair, i think podwalkers are a greater menace to society than furries |
| 00:43.17 | gnufan | furrywolf, it probably is, and I could probably call the perl from vim, but I need the practice.... beside after the line numbers comes something else even fiddlier.. |
| 00:43.27 | slyboots | wtf is a podwalker? |
| 00:43.33 | Guerin | heh |
| 00:43.35 | directhex | i mean, there's getting off to gadget from rescue rangers, and there's waving your ipod about at people as you go jogging. inexcusable >_<# |
| 00:43.39 | Guerin | not many podwalkers in korea |
| 00:43.47 | Guerin | probably not many furries either, tbf |
| 00:43.55 | slyboots | Ehh, You might be supprised |
| 00:43.59 | Delph | germany has the highest concentration, i think. |
| 00:44.18 | Guerin | Delph: why does that not surprise me... |
| 00:44.20 | Delph | I couldn't find a single on in Iceland, however. |
| 00:44.21 | directhex | Delph, of furries or podwalkers? |
| 00:44.25 | Delph | directhex: furries |
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| 00:44.37 | Guerin | Delph: hrm, you think it being that cold, fur would be a bonus |
| 00:44.37 | furrywolf | directhex: for most furs, being furry has nothing to do with sex. so "getting off to gadget" is a rather inaccurate generalization. |
| 00:44.39 | Guerin | so anyway |
| 00:44.39 | Delph | they might just be the best origanised ones, however. |
| 00:44.44 | sudo|chmod | is there a debian java package that contains most of the widely used java libraries (swing, awt, etc) |
| 00:44.52 | Guerin | I heard that all furries are also PETA activists... is this true? |
| 00:45.00 | Guerin | because that sure would make m hate them. |
| 00:45.03 | furrywolf | sudo: I don't think so. you'll probably have to fetch sun's java. |
| 00:45.06 | directhex | furrywolf, yet still more well-adjusted than walking down the street showing off your ipod |
| 00:45.17 | furrywolf | guerin: I had a nice juicy steak for dinner last night. |
| 00:45.19 | Delph | sudo|chmod: there are some implementations which are free |
| 00:45.21 | neemz | how do I apt-get security updates and new packages? |
| 00:45.28 | Guerin | !tell sudo|chmod about java-package |
| 00:45.31 | neemz | without going up to the next release |
| 00:45.38 | Delph | sudo|chmod: but their support for Swing and AWT is less than complete. |
| 00:45.41 | Delph | (last i looked) |
| 00:45.42 | gnufan | furrywolf, the manual has a simple increment... s/\d\+/\=submatch(0) + 1/ the "submatch(0)" replaces "&" |
| 00:45.43 | Guerin | furrywolf: well, that's sensible for a wolf |
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| 00:46.06 | gnufan | furrywolf, very complex way of doing "ctrl-a" in vim ;) |
| 00:46.24 | furrywolf | gnufan: lol |
| 00:46.33 | chealer | neemz: you can't get both. which release do you have? |
| 00:46.53 | chealer | neemz: both *at the same time* |
| 00:46.55 | drac | Hmm. Anyone knows what's correct Viewport value for mergedfb 1280x1024-1280x1024 dualhead? I had Viewport 2560 1024 for 1280x1024 modes.. |
| 00:46.58 | neemz | its ok I found it was apt-get upgrade |
| 00:47.11 | gbarrios | gnufan: debian tells me i need some new dependencies |
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| 00:47.22 | drac | oh wait, i mean 1280x960-1280x960 |
| 00:47.28 | Delph | sudo|chmod: asking dpkg about 'install java' might help. |
| 00:47.28 | gnufan | gbarrios, doesn't it offer to get them for you? |
| 00:47.50 | gbarrios | no gnufan |
| 00:48.13 | gnufan | gbarrios, what does it say then?? |
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| 00:48.34 | gbarrios | i need some dependencies and i've installed another version |
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| 00:48.50 | sudo|chmod | Delph: ok, thanks for the help |
| 00:48.53 | pixil9 | Anyone know a linux install under 32mb? |
| 00:49.03 | drac | pixil9: Debian Woody. |
| 00:49.13 | furrywolf | pixil: are you trying to install on a pda? |
| 00:49.18 | chealer | woody can go under 32 MB? |
| 00:49.18 | gnufan | gbarrios, post the output to #flood? |
| 00:49.20 | pixil9 | a 32mb flash drive :P |
| 00:49.21 | drac | oh memory |
| 00:49.26 | drac | nevermind |
| 00:49.41 | chealer | oh maybe he did mean RAM |
| 00:49.49 | chealer | ok sorry |
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| 00:50.05 | chealer | pixil9: maybe damn small linux then :) |
| 00:50.11 | pixil9 | I checked it out.. its 50 megs |
| 00:50.12 | furrywolf | I'd start with one of the single-floppy rescue distributions, then manually add what you need. |
| 00:50.15 | user_ | how can i read the readme files stored with apt utilities, without having to uppack/pack them? |
| 00:50.16 | pixil9 | I guess i might be able to strip it down |
| 00:50.16 | slyboots | Anyone know what config file controls the server for Armagetron? |
| 00:50.26 | furrywolf | I don't think any remotely modern version of debian will fit that small. |
| 00:50.29 | chealer | pixil9: well, you have no luck if that one is so huge |
| 00:50.33 | aFlag | maybe you can manage a linux from scratch to fit that size |
| 00:50.41 | chealer | pixil9: LFS! |
| 00:50.44 | furrywolf | you might want to just go get a bigger drive... right now staples has 512mb usb thumbdrives for $39. :) |
| 00:50.48 | slyboots | never mind, its actuly got a manpage |
| 00:50.53 | Delph | sly: you've checked through the dpkg -L listing? |
| 00:51.12 | Delph | for files that look like they might be config ones. |
| 00:51.28 | gnufan | pixil9, yeap I've done 8MB linux installed - what is it to do? |
| 00:52.05 | pixil9 | gnufan: run a webserver haha |
| 00:52.18 | pixil9 | http://byzgl.sourceforge.net/ this may work |
| 00:52.48 | gbarrios | gnufan: Ican't post it this is not the pc |
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| 00:52.58 | gbarrios | i'm tryin on another place |
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| 00:53.56 | pixil9 | gnufan: 8mb with LFS? |
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| 00:54.24 | toresbe | FURRIES, EVERYONE! FURRIES! |
| 00:54.49 | gnufan | pixil9, no it was a Linux Router project spinoff - they had to fit in 8MB because that is how big flash cards were then - if you were rich |
| 00:54.54 | gravity | heh |
| 00:55.21 | neemz | Does the standard debian kernel-image-2.2.20-idepci package support virtual interfaces? |
| 00:55.31 | gnufan | pixil9, Byzantine looks neat - good post - offtopic but good |
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| 00:55.59 | furrywolf | neemz: wouldn't you want to use something a bit more modern? |
| 00:56.11 | toresbe | :P |
| 00:56.21 | hurley | anyone know why glade-2 would crash when i put the pointer over the "open" button? i'm tunneling it over ssh to an X server on my WinXP box, but it worked 3 days ago, and i don't think i've changed anything |
| 00:56.27 | neemz | if there is a 2.2 kernel that can do virtual interfaces thats apt-gettable then i'd like to get that to start with |
| 00:56.33 | furrywolf | heh. I like the old IBM keyboards. nice solid feel instead of the giant-tv-remote-with-plastic-buttons feel new keyboards have... |
| 00:56.43 | toresbe | true |
| 00:56.55 | toresbe | I keep a stash, pick 'em up at fleemarkets :) |
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| 00:57.28 | furrywolf | I have my own keyboard stash, but most of them no longer work, and the only working one is on perpetual loan to someone. |
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| 00:57.37 | toresbe | furrywolf: I have an even older IBM keyboard. And that pretty much *defines* the word "rugged" |
| 00:57.45 | hurley | i get a "BadWindow (invalid Window parameter)" error from glade-2, if that helps |
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| 00:57.51 | furrywolf | I like the PC AT ones. :) |
| 00:57.54 | toresbe | furrywolf: It's a 1052. It's not mine but I have access to it |
| 00:58.01 | gravity | Oh man... I love aptitude. Built-in changelog pre-downloader |
| 00:58.01 | furrywolf | I don't know the numbers... |
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| 00:58.12 | toresbe | furrywolf: It was used as a console printer for 1960s IBM mainframes :> |
| 00:58.19 | furrywolf | heh |
| 00:58.33 | furrywolf | the IBM, keytronic, and hitachi ones were the best, IMHO. |
| 00:58.47 | toresbe | furrywolf: Obviously you haven't tried Tandberg |
| 00:58.54 | SpeS | hi, how can I configure ftpd to allow a user to put files into a subdirectory of its home?? |
| 00:59.02 | user_ | how can i read the readme files stored with apt utilities, without having to uppack/pack them? |
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| 00:59.12 | toresbe | they're a Norwegian firm, they used to make terminals but are now mainly into video conferencing and storage |
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| 00:59.27 | systemadmin | where do ssh connection get logged to? |
| 00:59.30 | toresbe | furrywolf: Now, those were fine KBs. |
| 00:59.34 | furrywolf | toresbe: don't know what they are... |
| 00:59.46 | onre | i used to work on an intergraph cad workstation. it had a pole protruding from the case and at the end of that was the monitor. the case, monitor shell, keyboard frame and even the individual keys were made of metal. |
| 00:59.52 | toresbe | furrywolf: they were attached to X terminals. |
| 00:59.58 | onre | it wasn't much bigger than an average desktop pc but weighed like 80kg. |
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| 01:00.17 | toresbe | onre: did it have the PFKs? |
| 01:00.36 | furrywolf | heh. I like keyboards that work on modern computers. :P |
| 01:00.47 | toresbe | furrywolf: they're PS/2s |
| 01:00.54 | onre | PFK doesn't exactly say anything to me |
| 01:00.57 | furrywolf | too many of the new ones feel like tv remotes... rubbery, springy keys instead of nice switches... |
| 01:01.06 | toresbe | onre: programmable function keys, and guess not |
| 01:01.10 | onre | oh it did |
| 01:01.17 | gnufan | systemadmin, /var/log/auth ?! |
| 01:01.23 | toresbe | onre: separate KB with 32 backlit keys |
| 01:01.24 | onre | you could program basically anything behind them |
| 01:01.26 | systemadmin | will check it thanks |
| 01:01.26 | onre | yup |
| 01:01.39 | onre | and reset switch etc on the keyboard, and wouldn't even boot without it |
| 01:01.47 | onre | 80186 frontend CPU and CLIPPER main CPU |
| 01:01.50 | onre | iirc. |
| 01:01.51 | furrywolf | the logitech one I have now isn't _too_ bad, but I paid way too much for it, and it still doesn't compare to the old AT ones... |
| 01:02.00 | onre | and a horrendously broken sysv workalike os |
| 01:02.26 | toresbe | I realized those were the Unigraphics machines but the intergraphics might have had one |
| 01:03.26 | onre | well, the description fits |
| 01:03.32 | toresbe | yeah |
| 01:03.36 | onre | though its quite many years, luckily, since i last saw the thing |
| 01:03.41 | toresbe | hehe |
| 01:03.49 | furrywolf | brb, have to go dump sand out of my shoes |
| 01:04.00 | toresbe | furrywolf: have fun! |
| 01:04.06 | Delph | gaah got the song in my brain now =:/ |
| 01:04.12 | Delph | dido begone! |
| 01:04.18 | onre | it had a scsi controller that supported exactly two sorts of disks. gnngh. |
| 01:04.19 | systemadmin | i need top look throught a file, but gerp is seg faulting ... any ideas? |
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| 01:04.42 | systemadmin | sorry, grep is seg faulting, i only want to pull certian info |
| 01:04.48 | toresbe | onre: hah. |
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| 01:05.24 | budluva | peterS are you the master of gpm? |
| 01:05.25 | toresbe | systemadmin: if grep is segfaulting there is a *bad* problem with your system. |
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| 01:08.07 | systemadmin | toresbe : yea i know, it has been comprimised |
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| 01:08.30 | onre | take it off the net, shut it down and analyze disk on some other machine |
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| 01:08.37 | onre | you don't want to run a single command on a compromised system |
| 01:08.51 | JeffWilson12 | onre: How will you shut it down? |
| 01:08.58 | systemadmin | toresbe : box is going down, i am pulling all the dstuff from it, box is colocated |
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| 01:09.25 | systemadmin | want log file. stupid person left everything as far as i can tell |
| 01:09.36 | onre | jeffwilson, ha. touché :) |
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| 01:10.04 | systemadmin | must have been kid, used it to scan udp a subnet |
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| 01:10.23 | systemadmin | no log pruning or anything, didnt even try to hide it, |
| 01:10.36 | JeffWilson12 | Wow what a smart person. |
| 01:10.40 | JeffWilson12 | My logs were all wiped. |
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| 01:10.48 | gnufan | systemadmin, I gave up trying to do anything with rooted box - nothing worked - better to take disks elsewhere - and mount read only and inspect... Or boot from floppy/CD and inspect. |
| 01:11.05 | Nunez | I installed the madwifi drivers and did a modprobe and all the modules are loaded |
| 01:11.10 | JeffWilson12 | Best is to reformat. get the data and reformat. |
| 01:11.13 | systemadmin | bringing themn to good system now to analize |
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| 01:11.24 | llahm | Alright, I have a gigantic ASCII data file with 5937834 lines in it. How would I print out N lines on each side of line 37530? |
| 01:11.44 | Nunez | but when I try to iwconfig, it doesnt see my Netgear WG511T card |
| 01:11.49 | systemadmin | yea it is getting wiped but am getting all logs and files he left to look at |
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| 01:12.00 | gnufan | llahm, i've used head and tail for that before |
| 01:12.04 | gravity | llahm: tail and head |
| 01:12.08 | onre | llahm, head & tail |
| 01:12.14 | JeffWilson12 | systemadmin: do you know who did it? If they didn't clean logs, then they sure as HELL didn't use a proxy :) |
| 01:12.18 | gnufan | llahm, it is not that big - see my email log ;) |
| 01:12.21 | llahm | I have too but it's sort og ugly. |
| 01:12.32 | llahm | I was wondering if I could do it more neatly. |
| 01:12.40 | systemadmin | trafced ip to germany, but he did alot |
| 01:12.41 | llahm | Perhaps a shell function to call tail and head? |
| 01:12.43 | gravity | head and tail is the canonical and clean way to do it |
| 01:12.45 | systemadmin | of wget sfrom this place |
| 01:12.50 | gravity | It's like a single pipe |
| 01:12.55 | dbron | can find take multiple patterns for -iname? like find ./* -iname *sh|*pl ? |
| 01:13.06 | gravity | tail -n # foo | head -n # |
| 01:13.07 | systemadmin | here is all his shit guys |
| 01:13.10 | systemadmin | http://michiduta.design-services.us/ |
| 01:13.15 | systemadmin | all his toosl |
| 01:13.25 | JeffWilson12 | systemadmin: well US laws say you can't charge anything unless $4,000+ damage was done ... so your screwed in getting the guy that did it. |
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| 01:13.40 | onre | dbron, consider egrepping the find output. imo find is the most horrible utility ever |
| 01:14.23 | dbron | onre: :-( well, it isn't very fast but generally does what I need. Thanks |
| 01:14.26 | systemadmin | so check out that site if you guys are interestd in seeing what he used on my box |
| 01:14.57 | onre | dbron yup, i just find it odd how it tries to a bit of grep and a bit of xargs and a bit of ls :P |
| 01:15.38 | JeffWilson12 | systemadmin: if that guy was paid to hack you, I sure hope he didn't get paid. he fucked up |
| 01:15.45 | systemadmin | lol |
| 01:16.04 | systemadmin | if any of you want to see his bash history let me know |
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| 01:16.30 | Talnakh | post it here |
| 01:16.31 | aardvark | A Badger - 1 Gould St Milo, ME 04463-1047 - Tel.: (207) 943-2916 |
| 01:16.32 | Talnakh | :-) |
| 01:16.41 | aardvark | "Are you A Badger?" |
| 01:16.43 | systemadmin | cant post here to big |
| 01:16.59 | Talnakh | ok, just a couple of lines |
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| 01:17.10 | JeffWilson12 | systemadmin: wow this guy is a windows user. http://michiduta.design-services.us/cool%20desktop.jpg |
| 01:17.20 | systemadmin | lol |
| 01:17.25 | JeffWilson12 | systemadmin: I do. =) |
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| 01:17.56 | bykte | is there a filesharing software for debian? thur mirc? like fserv? |
| 01:17.59 | systemadmin | wget http://www.porno.xd.tc/bestscan2.tgz |
| 01:18.01 | systemadmin | wget http://www.porno.xd.tc/Michiduta/bestscan2.tgz |
| 01:18.02 | systemadmin | tar xzvf bestscan2.tgz |
| 01:18.02 | systemadmin | cd scan/ |
| 01:18.02 | systemadmin | ./scan 24.129 |
| 01:18.02 | systemadmin | ./scan 210.233 |
| 01:18.02 | systemadmin | ./scan 213.229 |
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| 01:18.07 | bykte | wtf |
| 01:18.15 | rj__ | uh |
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| 01:18.24 | bykte | that's so nub |
| 01:18.26 | systemadmin | sorry |
| 01:18.35 | JeffWilson12 | 'nub'? |
| 01:18.43 | Talnakh | what a lamer tried to hack you. |
| 01:18.48 | bykte | wtf do u think u r do? |
| 01:18.48 | rj__ | @ haha |
| 01:18.50 | systemadmin | lol |
| 01:18.55 | rj__ | what the hell is going on |
| 01:19.01 | JeffWilson12 | he didn't even make .bash_history go to /dev/null. how stupid. |
| 01:19.07 | bykte | LOL |
| 01:19.11 | rj__ | l4m3rz@#$ |
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| 01:19.42 | bykte | say,if on mirc to share files, you use fserv, for linux what do u use? |
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| 01:20.16 | onre | nfs :D |
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| 01:20.38 | bykte | nfs ? ok let me see |
| 01:20.47 | onre | no, don't, it's not what you want |
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| 01:21.09 | JeffWilson12 | hahaha. |
| 01:21.16 | bykte | <dpkg> hmm... nfs is Sun's Network Filesystem, a reasonably simple file transfer protocol that is quite hard to secure. See the NFS-HOWTO for setup, or No Files Served. Network FaILurE System. Never Fscking Stable. No Fucking Security. Nightmare File System, or ask me about 'ssh tunneled nfs' |
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| 01:22.08 | JeffWilson12 | systemadmin: any idea what bestscan2.tar.gz is? I'll be sure to setup a vm and take a look ... but have you done so? |
| 01:22.18 | grendal_prime | ok what exactly does this mean? |
| 01:22.20 | grendal_prime | TUN/TAP |
| 01:22.31 | grendal_prime | warning: could not open /dev/net/tun: no virtual network emulation |
| 01:22.43 | JeffWilson12 | TUN is a user-space networking device. |
| 01:22.46 | systemadmin | not yet.. on phone brb |
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| 01:22.55 | JeffWilson12 | atleast, if I recall correctly. |
| 01:22.57 | bykte | maybe i could just use xdcc instead solve the problem :X |
| 01:22.58 | toresbe | systemadmin: *how* did you manage to get your colo box compromised? |
| 01:23.05 | toresbe | systemadmin: what distro do you run? |
| 01:23.12 | grendal_prime | ok well aparenty there is no version of it in sarge?? |
| 01:23.24 | JeffWilson12 | toresbe: He never updates ... or ran non-firewalled. |
| 01:23.26 | JeffWilson12 | just a guess |
| 01:23.36 | bykte | lol |
| 01:24.07 | nabokov | Nunez: did you get the .arm file from prism54.org? |
| 01:24.27 | bykte | say. the xdcc software is @ xdcc.org right? |
| 01:24.39 | gnufan | green_earz, it needs to be in the kernel, but you may need to insert the relevant module before you can use it |
| 01:24.49 | gnufan | grendal_prime, it needs to be in the kernel, but you may need to insert the relevant module before you can use it |
| 01:25.05 | leo | Do anybody connects to Fasttrack in any way with any client in debian? |
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| 01:25.57 | syntaxis | leo: both GiFT and mldonkey had fasttrack plugins, last time I checked |
| 01:26.20 | gnufan | grendal_prime, sarge has tun/tap by default AFAIK. I used it for User Mode Linux stuff. |
| 01:27.20 | leo | syntaxis: Yes they do, but I've tried them without sucess, did you tried any of them? |
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| 01:28.00 | leo | syntaxis: *try |
| 01:28.40 | syntaxis | I got giFT up and running okay... never tried it with mldonkey since I already had the former working |
| 01:30.31 | furrywolf | god dammit. .12-rc3 still doesn't fix the pathetically bad dvd read performance |
| 01:31.13 | furrywolf | (dma is on, yet uses 100% cpu to read at about 0.1x...) |
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| 01:31.46 | syntaxis | leo: wahey, http://gift-fasttrack.berlios.de/ provides debian packages now... they didn't at the time |
| 01:31.53 | leo | syntaxis: Did you install the giFT fasttrack plugin trought normal apt-get way or you got something by yourself? |
| 01:32.29 | furrywolf | I can burn the dvd at 8x using about 3% cpu, but reading the same dvd, on the same drive, uses 100% cpu and goes less than 1x... |
| 01:32.42 | leo | syntaxis: ok, but it isn't in debian pool, right? |
| 01:33.08 | syntaxis | leo: no, but it's better than having to compile it yourself |
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| 01:34.05 | archpollux | hi |
| 01:34.09 | Flaim | Hi folks |
| 01:34.27 | archpollux | is there a package that contains common licenses? |
| 01:34.49 | archpollux | dpkg -S /usr/share/common-licenses doesn't find anything, but i do have that directory |
| 01:34.50 | dpkg | You Fool! /usr/share/common-licenses doesn't find anything, but i do have that directory is installed! |
| 01:35.02 | archpollux | eh |
| 01:35.06 | furrywolf | lol |
| 01:35.07 | Flaim | heh |
| 01:35.52 | syntaxis | archpollux: there are some contained within the base-files package |
| 01:35.59 | leo | syntaxis: Do you think that giFT project is more mature than MLDonkey? (I miss Gnutella and Gnutella2, fasttrack and donkey network support) |
| 01:36.03 | chealer | archpollux: base-files? |
| 01:36.04 | systemadmin | lol.. back |
| 01:36.10 | archpollux | i see, yes, thanks |
| 01:36.16 | syntaxis | archpollux: the GPL, LGPL, BSD and Artistic licenses |
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| 01:36.29 | bykte | doesnt anyone share files on irc thru debian? |
| 01:36.40 | Flaim | I'mtrying to print a test page from the CUPS webinterface and I get this error in the log file: gs: error while loading shared libraries: libXt.so.6: cannot open shared object file: No such file or directory |
| 01:36.44 | archpollux | syntaxis: yeah, found them.... hmm, dpkg -S on the dir though doesn't find anything.. is that normal? |
| 01:36.52 | furrywolf | in fact, .12-rc3 is WORSE than .11.7. now throws useful effors in the logs like "hdf: ide_intr: huh? expected NULL handler on exit" |
| 01:36.55 | chealer | bykte: what do you mean? |
| 01:37.23 | bykte | chealer, erm what i mean on mirc there are scripts that do filesharing like <DjTokio> [Fserve Active] - Trigger:[/ctcp DjTokio Specials!] - Users:[0/5] - Sends:[1/1] - Queues:[15/16] |
| 01:37.31 | bykte | do we have an alternative on debian for this? |
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| 01:37.45 | syntaxis | archpollux: I get "base-files: /usr/share/common-licenses" as output from that command, so no, it's not normal |
| 01:37.47 | dondelelcaro | bykte: for warez fserves? usually they're eggdrop scripts. |
| 01:37.48 | chealer | bykte: what's the use? |
| 01:37.57 | chealer | ah ok |
| 01:38.00 | dondelelcaro | bykte: but it's not like we're interested in supporting them here anyway. |
| 01:38.04 | archpollux | hm |
| 01:38.18 | gravity | warez? Geez... that's something I'm glad I haven't had to deal with in forever. |
| 01:38.19 | chealer | I thought you meant to do that on #debian |
| 01:38.20 | archpollux | funny, now i do too |
| 01:38.30 | bykte | dondelelcaro, no not for warez, my porn |
| 01:38.38 | dondelelcaro | right, sure. |
| 01:38.54 | deadcat | dondelelcaro: i am gonna put "neverland security guard" as my job title this year at linuxworld. (= |
| 01:39.01 | bykte | oh well, if you dont believe that's ur problem |
| 01:39.01 | dondelelcaro | deadcat: hehehehe |
| 01:39.03 | syntaxis | leo: well, giFT can give you Gnutella and FastTrack, but none of the others, unfortunately |
| 01:39.04 | deadcat | furrywolf: you're weird (= |
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| 01:39.05 | chealer | furrywolf: is this surprising? there were 5 rcs to 2.6.11 and 7 minor revisions until now |
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| 01:39.43 | furrywolf | furrywolf: it's surprising, as this makes around 4 versions that have had major dvd problems. |
| 01:39.51 | drum | newbie question. Hi, Just installed from the Sarge netinst disk and got to the login. Please what is the next step to get a gui, Xorg and kde 3.4?? thanks |
| 01:39.51 | dondelelcaro | bykte: I don't believe it's an ancient cities problem. Regardless, your serving issues aren't our concern. Ask in #eggdrop or on some other network dedicated to the decimination of copyrighted files. |
| 01:40.09 | deadcat | dondelelcaro: know an even funnier title? (=. current event stuff hehe |
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| 01:40.15 | syntaxis | leo: I found mldonkey harder to set up, and every time I upgraded from one version to another some component would inevitably break |
| 01:40.26 | deadcat | drum: no xorg. no kde3.4 for sarge/debian |
| 01:40.28 | chealer | drum: what do you mean by gui other than X.org and kde? |
| 01:40.30 | furrywolf | syntaxis: what do you expect, written in ocaml? :P |
| 01:40.37 | chealer | drum: /topic for X.org |
| 01:40.49 | chealer | drum: #debian-kde for kde 3.4 |
| 01:40.58 | deadcat | chealer: apt-get install x-window-system-core xterm openbox mozilla-firefox gaim |
| 01:41.08 | syntaxis | furrywolf: I think it's more the fact that they don't really have any QA |
| 01:41.08 | cafuego | and generally #somewherelse for software that's not in debian. |
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| 01:41.29 | furrywolf | .12-rc3 simply won't read the DVDs... .11.7 could read them, just painfully slow. .12-rc3 won't read them at all. grr. |
| 01:41.38 | chealer | deadcat: I think he'd need to be more precise if gui means gaim |
| 01:42.00 | deadcat | chealer: hehe |
| 01:42.02 | drum | <chealer Sorry i just want next step to getting a desktop |
| 01:42.04 | syntaxis | leo: fasttrack support under mldonkey is extremely beta and breaks all the time, so if that's the most important thing, go with giFT |
| 01:42.17 | deadcat | drum: apt-get install xfce4 |
| 01:42.21 | dondelelcaro | drum: use tasksel or similar, and install the desktop task if you don't know exactly what you want. |
| 01:42.47 | cafuego | drum: Neother kde 3.4 nor Xorg are *in* debian. Did you mean 'KDE' and 'X' ? |
| 01:43.01 | drum | yes |
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| 01:43.20 | cafuego | drum: Start with installing 'x-window-system' and 'kdebase' |
| 01:43.33 | budluva | can someone tell me what the latest kernel for sarge is? |
| 01:43.38 | ledestin | drum: apt-cache search kde, then install, it'll fetch everything it needs |
| 01:43.40 | toresbe | drum: both are in Ubuntu. |
| 01:43.48 | chealer | budluva: 2.6.8 |
| 01:43.50 | cafuego | !info kernel-image-2.6 sarge |
| 01:43.58 | chealer | budluva: use pdo to find |
| 01:44.00 | toresbe | but you get XFree and KDE 3.3 in Debian Sid, and Sarge, right? |
| 01:44.00 | budluva | thanks |
| 01:44.01 | cafuego | lies! |
| 01:44.02 | deadcat | weird thing. i can gphoto2 --delete-file x-y on my ppc but not on my 686 |
| 01:44.09 | leo | syntaxis: yes it is, i'm having several problems when trying to connect to networks different from *donkey ones in mldonkey, do you know something about the work process from the giFT project developing g2, donkey and bittorrent support? |
| 01:44.17 | cafuego | deadcat: ia32 sucks |
| 01:44.30 | deadcat | cafuego: ia32? |
| 01:44.34 | deadcat | !ia32 |
| 01:44.35 | dpkg | i heard ia32 is a synonym for i386 (x86). In other words, if you don't know, this is what you have. |
| 01:44.37 | deadcat | ah |
| 01:44.45 | chealer | toresbe: you can |
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| 01:45.02 | toresbe | chealer: ahah. |
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| 01:45.41 | budluva | would an athlon xp+ fall under k7 for kernel images? |
| 01:45.42 | syntaxis | leo: the edonkey plugin's been in development since Nov 03 and still hasn't released anything, and as far as I know no-one's even tried to write gnutella2 and bittorrent plugins for it as of yet |
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| 01:45.46 | deadcat | cafuego: i thought it was a bug in gphoto2 before. |
| 01:45.50 | cafuego | budluva: yes |
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| 01:46.02 | Flaim | I'mtrying to print a test page from the CUPS webinterface and I get this error in the log file: gs: error while loading shared libraries: libXt.so.6: cannot open shared object file: No such file or directory. Any ideas? |
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| 01:46.17 | cafuego | Flaim: install libXt |
| 01:46.21 | kasper | if i want to upgrade everything on my sys except for 2 packages how do i add that into apt-get upgrade? |
| 01:46.27 | budluva | kernel-image-2.6.8-2-k7 has usb support correct? |
| 01:46.32 | cafuego | budluva: yes |
| 01:46.39 | chealer | !tell kasper about hold |
| 01:46.42 | budluva | cafuego cool, thanks :P |
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| 01:46.59 | Flaim | cafuego: libxt6 is installed. |
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| 01:47.00 | deadcat | dondelelcaro: my ibook is 52 degree celcius, how do you start the fan instead of waiting it to start by itself? |
| 01:47.08 | dondelelcaro | deadcat: dunno |
| 01:47.17 | deadcat | em fuego |
| 01:47.22 | cafuego | Flaim: ghostscript disagrees, or can't find a lib that libXt depends on. |
| 01:47.41 | Flaim | cafuego: apparently.. |
| 01:47.48 | cafuego | deadcat: No idea, i don't run Linux on it. MacOSX is much nicer. |
| 01:47.57 | dama | i have this problem on all applications. for proper discussion, i'll use gkrellm for example. when i open its config window, the fonts are too small. i would go to GNOME Control Center to set it right but after a renewed session or re-start, the font returns to its previous size. why? |
| 01:48.00 | syntaxis | leo: you might try getting Shareaza to work using wine: http://wiki.shareaza.com/static/ShareazaLinux |
| 01:48.03 | cafuego | Flaim: run 'ldd' on gs and libXt.so |
| 01:48.05 | deadcat | cafuego: no. isnt that mean on fire? heheh |
| 01:48.18 | deadcat | cafuego: osx is SLOW with 382 ram. |
| 01:48.29 | cafuego | deadcat: Seems to run fine with 768 |
| 01:48.39 | deadcat | (= |
| 01:48.58 | cafuego | deadcat: Everyone knows you shouldn't buy OSX machines with less than 512Mb of ram. |
| 01:49.11 | deadcat | i bought it for debian |
| 01:49.17 | budluva | cafuego ok i have another problem, i had fedora core 3 installed earlier today, and i just installed debian, i didnt want to touch my /home/ dir as i was saving it, so i didnt do anything except activate /dev/hda and /dev/hdc for my / and my /swap, now when i df -h i only see /dev/hda which is a 10gig partition, i cant see anything else, my /home is empty, how can i initalize partitions after install? |
| 01:49.29 | deadcat | never had the intention to run macos on it. |
| 01:49.36 | cafuego | deadcat: No debian on ppc laptop here atm. i might be able to help once the Mac Minio arrives |
| 01:49.44 | Flaim | cafuego: ok, I did.. |
| 01:49.49 | deadcat | cafuego: girl (= |
| 01:49.50 | cafuego | That's going to be dual-boot. |
| 01:49.55 | cafuego | deadcat: sorry? |
| 01:50.00 | deadcat | cafuego: nice. hehe |
| 01:50.12 | cire | I compiled a new kernel (2.6.11) and now I am using it. Everything seems to work, but my touchpad (I have a sony Vaio PCG Z600LEK) has a strange behaviour now. Moving the mouse pointer works - but not very precise. And to get a left-click, I have to touch it several times instead of only once. I did not change anything in my XFree config file, and the logs do not show any errors. |
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| 01:51.13 | cafuego | budluva: Did you use 'hda' ? That's the ENTIRE DISK - anyhing that WAS on there will now be GONE. |
| 01:51.51 | budluva | no, i have a 200gig hard drive, now df -h shows hda / which is a 10gig partition, with 8.8gb free |
| 01:51.55 | budluva | thats all that shows up |
| 01:52.03 | budluva | do i just have to mount my old partitions? |
| 01:52.14 | cafuego | budluva: Yes. Just mount the old ones (add them to fstab) |
| 01:52.21 | cafuego | budluva: 'fdisk -l' will show you them. |
| 01:52.25 | budluva | l |
| 01:52.25 | budluva | k |
| 01:53.16 | Flaim | cafuego: it didn't show anything out of the ordinary. |
| 01:53.22 | leo | syntaxis: wine? ok, you win. I'll only try that becouse Shareaza is opensource :) but maybe trying this is a very buggy way of doing this, don't you think? |
| 01:53.31 | budluva | what package does fdisk come in??? fdisk: command not found, and i dont see it in apt |
| 01:53.41 | leo | syntaxis: *doing things |
| 01:53.53 | budluva | hehe, nm |
| 01:53.53 | cafuego | Flaim: Then you'll need to find out the command that 'gs' tries to run and run it manually from the commandline. See if the erro still occurs. |
| 01:54.00 | grendal_prime | gnufan, well...crap |
| 01:54.02 | deadcat | budluva: /sbin maybe? |
| 01:54.07 | cafuego | budluva: sudo fdisk |
| 01:54.07 | grendal_prime | i need this thing working |
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| 01:54.24 | cafuego | grendal_prime: beat it with a pointy stick |
| 01:54.25 | grendal_prime | and...its not..i need to be able to download onto this vm application |
| 01:54.37 | Flaim | cafuego: it's running from foomatic-gswrapper |
| 01:54.50 | cafuego | wtf! |
| 01:54.50 | grendal_prime | ya..no kidding |
| 01:54.51 | budluva | ya got it now |
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| 01:56.14 | budluva | i see /dev/hdc4 which is extended and /dev/hdc5 which is linux filesystem, so do i have to mount hdc5 or just hdc4 since hdc5 falls under hdc4 right? |
| 01:56.31 | Dull404 | Whelp! Im going crazy on this.... trying to get file roller to open .rar files, it says its not supported :/ but rar IS installed |
| 01:56.40 | cafuego | budluva: mount hdc5 |
| 01:56.45 | deadcat | Dull404: unrar |
| 01:56.55 | Dull404 | *doh* |
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| 01:56.57 | cafuego | budluva: an extended partition is just a container, it contains no actual data. |
| 01:56.58 | Dull404 | *im not here* |
| 01:57.00 | Dull404 | *lol* |
| 01:57.05 | deadcat | Dull404: shutup |
| 01:57.12 | syntaxis | leo: lol - yes, probably the least reliable option by a very long way. |
| 01:57.20 | budluva | cafuego ok, so hdc5 belongs to hdc4 then right? |
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| 01:57.30 | Dull404 | deadcat, thanks |
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| 01:57.51 | budluva | hdc4 contains hdc5? all the data is held in hdc5 |
| 01:58.30 | budluva | anyway, since hdc5 was my old /home do i have to remove my current /home first or how should i go about doing this? |
| 01:58.40 | maher | budluva: hdc4 is probably a dummy partition that is just a holder for the other partitions |
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| 01:58.49 | cafuego | budluva: an extended partition is a pointer to the enxt set of partitioons. the initial dos aprtitino scheme was limited to max 4 partitions per disk. this is an ugly workaround. |
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| 01:59.11 | cafuego | fscking php4 updates |
| 02:00.12 | syntaxis | leo: ah... it doesn't support fasttrack, anyway. Sorry, thought it did |
| 02:00.30 | dama | i have this problem on all applications. for proper discussion, i'll use gkrellm for example. when i open its config window, the fonts are too small. i would go to GNOME Control Center to set it right but after a renewed session or re-start, the font returns to its previous size. why? |
| 02:00.45 | budluva | cafuego so how would i go about mounting my hdc5? since it was my old /home dir |
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| 02:01.04 | budluva | cafuego not familiar with mounting old /home partitions |
| 02:01.04 | deadcat | dama: apt-cache search theme switch |
| 02:01.20 | dama | don't get it. |
| 02:01.26 | deadcat | dama: just do it |
| 02:01.42 | dama | do what? |
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| 02:01.48 | deadcat | dama: the damn command |
| 02:02.09 | kasper | whoever told me about hold please tell me about it agian, my laptop died and shutdown and i lost that info |
| 02:02.18 | dama | do you have the answer to my problem? |
| 02:02.20 | maher | kasper: /msg dpkg |
| 02:02.43 | deadcat | kasper: echo pkgname hold | sudo dpkg --set-selections |
| 02:02.53 | kasper | and to remove it? |
| 02:03.02 | kasper | or remove the hold rather |
| 02:03.06 | deadcat | kasper: i have a function that handles hold/install |
| 02:03.09 | dondelelcaro | !tell kasper about hold |
| 02:03.12 | cafuego | budluva: Login as root, empty /home, mount /old hom on /home |
| 02:03.21 | kasper | thanks |
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| 02:04.14 | dama | you are nothing but a bullshitting dead cat. |
| 02:04.25 | deadcat | dama: motherfucker run the damn command |
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| 02:04.27 | sun_ | hi if i change ext3 to ext2 in /etc/fstab, then next reboot will the fs be ext2, or do i have to do something more? |
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| 02:04.30 | leo | syntaxis: which one? shareaza? no it doesn't. many steps to set up shareaza with wine, we have to install IE, then many other littles thing.. I think i'll wait for MLDonkey G2 support |
| 02:04.47 | maher | sun_: use tune2fs |
| 02:04.59 | kerframil | sun_: tune2fs -O ^has_journal |
| 02:05.22 | kasper | does anyone know if there is cedega debs? |
| 02:05.22 | cafuego | oooher |
| 02:05.33 | cafuego | kasper: yes, but they are payware. |
| 02:05.42 | kasper | eww |
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| 02:06.39 | cafuego | kasper: And sadly distribution of payware software isn't topical here. *coughbtbtbtbt* |
| 02:06.45 | leo | syntaxis: It's seem that I'll do it like this: giFT with giFTcurs for OpenFT, Gnutella and FastTrack. MLDonkey with KMLDonkey for *Donkey networks. Is there any problem on running them at the same time? |
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| 02:07.11 | bob2 | kasper: transgaming.com.,have your credit card ready |
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| 02:07.37 | syntaxis | leo: nope... in fact, that's the same setup as I used to use. |
| 02:07.41 | kasper | *cough* apollon *cough* |
| 02:07.53 | donww | How do you get usb-storage to map a device consistently to a specific /dev/sXXX drive? |
| 02:07.53 | Virtual | how can I set a process to start at startup ? |
| 02:08.01 | bob2 | donww: you can't |
| 02:08.07 | cafuego | bob2: You're awake! |
| 02:08.08 | bob2 | Virtual: /msg dpkg rc.local |
| 02:08.14 | bob2 | cafuego: sick :/ |
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| 02:08.21 | cafuego | but damn how much do they drink at LCA? |
| 02:08.30 | maher | donww: is it an ext2/3 fs? |
| 02:08.33 | bob2 | a LOT |
| 02:08.39 | bob2 | tho, I have drunk nothing |
| 02:08.41 | gravity | heh |
| 02:08.44 | cafuego | bob2: You missed kawfee this morning. |
| 02:08.48 | leo | syntaxis: you used to use? (if it is better) what's your current setup? |
| 02:08.59 | donww | maher: The usb-storage device? No; VFAT, because I need it to be readable on Windows boxen. |
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| 02:09.04 | kasper | bob2: muhahahah....got it (freely i might i add( |
| 02:09.06 | kasper | ) |
| 02:09.12 | bob2 | kasper: go away |
| 02:09.15 | badsector | DEBIAN SUPPORT HD SERIAL ATA? |
| 02:09.28 | gravity | Yes |
| 02:09.29 | bob2 | badsector: YES K THX BYE |
| 02:09.29 | maher | donww: dunno - i use label= in fstab on ext2/3 |
| 02:09.33 | donww | badblody: No, debian only runs from floppies. |
| 02:09.34 | cafuego | bob2: Yes. With a 2.6 kernel and a sarge install cd. |
| 02:09.34 | deadcat | badsector: NO |
| 02:09.44 | cafuego | badsector: Yes. With a 2.6 kernel and a sarge install cd. |
| 02:09.44 | badsector | yes or no ? |
| 02:09.50 | deadcat | badsector: MAYBE |
| 02:09.54 | badsector | i download the debian rc2 |
| 02:10.01 | donww | maher: Hrm. Not very useful for setting up an /etc/fstab. |
| 02:10.13 | cafuego | badsector: Sarge rc2? That will be fine. |
| 02:10.19 | sun_ | badsector i tried it recently and it ddidnt work, linux26 on the most recent cd. ymmv |
| 02:10.23 | cafuego | badsector: Just make sure you type 'linux26' to boot. |
| 02:10.32 | syntaxis | leo: when I went to uni I found that all I could ever want is already being shared on the internal intranet and all P2P protocols are blocked from accessing the outside world anyway, so I just dismantled my setup |
| 02:10.56 | maher | donww: i don't know if that works for vfat |
| 02:10.59 | furrywolf | found google that suggests having dvd-rw and cd-rw on separate ide controllers... brb, reboot with swapped cables |
| 02:11.06 | syntaxis | leo: but that's probably the best way to go :-) apologies - I thought you were just after a feature comparison. I thought it was obvious that you'd be able to run two different apps at the same time |
| 02:11.06 | cafuego | syntaxis: Decent uni campuses run an SMBSearch website ;-) |
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| 02:11.20 | syntaxis | cafuego: we use sharescan, but yeah, same principle :-) |
| 02:11.51 | cafuego | it's also important to make sure you have a live account on a linux box on camps when you leave uni. |
| 02:11.59 | donww | maher: You can, but it doesn't quite do what I want; however, I may have found a solution. |
| 02:12.01 | deadcat | i bought another airport basestation graphite for $15, getting a orinoco silver, 2 prism cards, $5/each.. are the orinoco still in demand anymore? (= |
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| 02:12.33 | deadcat | cafuego: some are nice. lifetime accounts |
| 02:12.47 | cafuego | deadcat: it's easier to just own the box in question |
| 02:12.55 | deadcat | hehe |
| 02:13.21 | cafuego | Well, mine got retired a while back; the new one is a wee bit quicker. |
| 02:13.23 | doublehp | what does a star mean in the password field of shadow file ? |
| 02:13.24 | leo | syntaxis: OK, thanks for the help, i'll setup that stuff now... |
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| 02:14.16 | deadcat | doublehp: man 5 shadow |
| 02:14.18 | dondelelcaro | doublehp: it's just a convienient invalid password |
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| 02:14.28 | cafuego | deadcat: man shadow and man pam |
| 02:14.42 | syntaxis | leo: no worries |
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| 02:14.46 | doublehp | dondelelcaro: how to change it to: any passowrd is valid ? |
| 02:14.56 | dondelelcaro | doublehp: WTF would you want to do that? |
| 02:14.58 | cafuego | doublehp: just remove the star |
| 02:15.04 | deadcat | doublehp: take the x out in /etc/passwd. |
| 02:15.06 | doublehp | deadcat: man pages of Gentoo dont worth those of Debian :( |
| 02:15.25 | gravity | Anyone know a program to repair an mp3 header? |
| 02:15.27 | cafuego | What does gentoo have to do with anything? |
| 02:15.29 | doublehp | dondelelcaro: ftp access open for all .... |
| 02:15.34 | cafuego | doublehp: NO! |
| 02:15.44 | deadcat | doublehp: isnt that the dude who writes the man page? |
| 02:15.48 | cafuego | doublehp: Uses anonftp, DO NOT make an passwordless account. |
| 02:15.49 | doublehp | cafuego: then ? |
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| 02:16.09 | cafuego | doublehp: The ftp server takes care of that, use vsftpd and configure that. |
| 02:16.10 | deadcat | doublehp: theres no then |
| 02:16.43 | CyL | when I try to print using cups, all the text is stripped with blank lines. Can anyone help me? |
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| 02:17.32 | doublehp | cafuego: that does not look to be the default anonymous password :/ |
| 02:17.46 | sonimt | it's not premarital sex if you don't plan on getting married. |
| 02:18.00 | deadcat | sonimt: wrong channel |
| 02:18.08 | sonimt | that was to for set |
| 02:18.57 | doublehp | what shall be the default password for anonymous FTP access ? |
| 02:19.10 | deadcat | doublehp: anything with a @ sign |
| 02:19.19 | dondelelcaro | doublehp: same thing it always is. Your email address |
| 02:19.47 | deadcat | doublehp: you MUST be an AOL user |
| 02:20.01 | cafuego | doublehp: Depdning on the ftp server config, either anything at all or nothing or an email address. |
| 02:20.13 | furrywolf | having the dvd on its own controller, no help. grr. |
| 02:20.19 | furrywolf | made it worse in fact |
| 02:20.28 | doublehp | cafuego: proftpd ... |
| 02:20.34 | cafuego | furrywolf: You psobably got hair in the drive |
| 02:20.49 | cafuego | doublehp: I recall suggesting vsftpd for anonftp. |
| 02:20.59 | furrywolf | cafuego: or, more likely, some kernel hacker was drunk when writing this. :P |
| 02:21.21 | cafuego | furrywolf: Mine are all on various controlelrs and all work OK, if that's any help. |
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| 02:21.56 | cafuego | doublehp: Anyway, proftpd has a sample config for anonftp, what uses email addresses as passwds. |
| 02:22.05 | cafuego | doublehp: ANY email address, so foo@foo.foo works too. |
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| 02:22.08 | furrywolf | cafuego: I've tried it both on my motherboard's standard ata/66 controller and on the ata/100 raid controller, both on its own cable and sharing a cable with the cd-rw drive, with absolutely no change... don't think it's a controller issue. |
| 02:22.27 | furrywolf | hdf: ide_intr: huh? expected NULL handler on exit |
| 02:22.33 | furrywolf | that sounds like a kernel bug to me |
| 02:22.53 | furrywolf | interrupt handlers shouldn't be complaining like that. :) |
| 02:22.54 | b33blebr0x | can anyone tell me how to reconfigure apache though dpkg? it won't load mod php but apache and modphp are both installed via dselect |
| 02:23.13 | cafuego | furrywolf: Well, depending on the quality of the cabling they might |
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| 02:23.26 | furrywolf | .11.7 could read the dvd, but was slower than hell, using 100% cpu to do about .1x... .12-rc3 now spits out errors like that and won't read the disk at all. |
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| 02:23.38 | a_monkey | i installed enlightenment for the sole reason to be able to use engage |
| 02:23.41 | furrywolf | cafuego: brand new 80-pin ide cables |
| 02:23.46 | a_monkey | can anybody help me start engage? |
| 02:23.46 | deadcat | b33blebr0x: . /etc/bash_completion; dpkg-reconfigure apache<tab><tab> |
| 02:23.47 | furrywolf | tried it on two cables... |
| 02:23.49 | a_monkey | i can't figure it ot |
| 02:23.52 | a_monkey | out* |
| 02:24.09 | deadcat | whats engage? |
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| 02:24.26 | a_monkey | deadcat: enlightenment's os x docker clone |
| 02:24.44 | deadcat | a_monkey: oh.. i think you are the only debian user that uses E |
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| 02:25.07 | a_monkey | deadcat: huh? |
| 02:25.08 | a_monkey | deadcat: why is that? |
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| 02:25.28 | furrywolf | I guess I might as well switch back to .11.7... being able to read them slowly is better than not being able to read them at all... but .12-rc3 has a bunch of nice usb fixes... |
| 02:25.40 | deadcat | a_monkey: dont know. i've been in this chan for ~ 2 yrs and you the only one ask about E |
| 02:26.03 | cafuego | deadcat: That's coz the E maintainer used to get REALLY angry when someone asked about it. |
| 02:26.34 | deadcat | hehe |
| 02:27.03 | b33blebr0x | deadcat: thanks... that seemed to reconfigure apache, but modphp still isn't working. It is listed in localhost/server-info but when try to visit a PHP page on my server it pops up a file save dialog |
| 02:27.21 | zignig | bleh! |
| 02:27.37 | doublehp | cafuego: you win: vsftp was faster to setup :) |
| 02:27.49 | deadcat | b33blebr0x: you might need to refresh the cache. use a diff browser |
| 02:27.50 | maher | b33blebr0x: read the readme in /usr/share/doc/phpwhatever |
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| 02:28.30 | deadcat | cloning osX style is for people who cant afford a mac and want to be like one. |
| 02:28.36 | deadcat | *pussies* |
| 02:28.38 | gravity | Oh gnutella... how badly do you suck |
| 02:29.13 | dondelelcaro | gravity: it's left the range of ion pumps and is approaching black hole levels of suckitude? |
| 02:29.17 | deadcat | gravity: want to use limewire? its java but it works better than those |
| 02:29.26 | gravity | dondelelcaro: Sadly so |
| 02:29.32 | gravity | deadcat: Maybe... I'm trying soulseek |
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| 02:30.20 | deadcat | gravity: HAHAHAHA |
| 02:30.50 | b33blebr0x | deadcat: thanks for the ides ... maher too, I'll start reading those docs |
| 02:31.23 | deadcat | b33blebr0x: not an idea. it was a solution for me (= |
| 02:32.18 | gravity | When did p2p start to suck for just grabbing a song? |
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| 02:33.04 | deadcat | gravity: bitorrent (= |
| 02:33.11 | gravity | deadcat: Not for a single song |
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| 02:33.28 | deadcat | gravity: well. everone moved to bittorent and stop sharing single songs. )= |
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| 02:34.15 | toresbe | then give it some strange name |
| 02:34.21 | gravity | ugh. limewire doesn't work with blackdown |
| 02:34.32 | deadcat | gravity: hahah. |
| 02:34.45 | debb0y | hey can someone help me out i'm getting this error when i do this apt-get -f install Unpacking libwxgtk2.4-python (from .../libwxgtk2.4-python_2.4.2.6_i386.deb) ... |
| 02:34.45 | debb0y | dpkg: error processing /var/cache/apt/archives/libwxgtk2.4-python_2.4.2.6_i386.deb (--unpack): |
| 02:34.45 | debb0y | <PROTECTED> |
| 02:34.45 | debb0y | dpkg-deb: subprocess paste killed by signal (Broken pipe) |
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| 02:34.47 | b33blebr0x | deadcat: you're right! That did fix PHP in apache, now I just revealed a problem with mediawiki, something with "did you compile PHP with --mysql?" so it goes :) |
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| 02:34.53 | debb0y | sorry about the flood |
| 02:35.05 | toresbe | Kazaa, grokster, napster, they would all have nothing to say on Kebralburklempfhurrrrkebbelflackburnkenhellck! |
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| 02:35.19 | debb0y | i'm getting that error any ideas? what i can do? |
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| 02:35.26 | toresbe | apt-get install kebralburklempfhurrrrkebbelflackburnkenhellck! |
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| 02:35.38 | toresbe | /usr/bin/kebralburklempfhurrrrkebbelflackburnkenhellck |
| 02:35.39 | deadcat | toresbe: HAHAHA |
| 02:35.56 | debb0y | sorry i'm a newbie |
| 02:36.02 | deadcat | debb0y: me too |
| 02:36.06 | kanzure | I just registered a domain name; How do I set up my box and the domain name to work ( assuming my box = server ) ? |
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| 02:36.20 | debb0y | oh ok, so what should i do apt-get -f install doesn't work |
| 02:36.45 | skel_home | is there a way to see if anyone is connected to freenode by an ip if its not masked? any way to do that query? |
| 02:36.47 | deadcat | kanzure: install bind or something. tell whoever you reg from to point to your server |
| 02:36.51 | Virtual | debb0y: try apt-get --force-overwrite -f install |
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| 02:37.10 | kanzure | deadcat: Using myself as a DNS? or as a nameserver? (I'm quite confused at the moment.) |
| 02:37.12 | debb0y | Virtual, E: Command line option --force-overwrite is not understood |
| 02:37.27 | deadcat | kanzure: you want you want to setup a dns server right? what the fuck |
| 02:37.39 | kanzure | deadcat: What? |
| 02:37.45 | deadcat | kanzure: force-overwrite is for dpkg i think |
| 02:37.53 | deadcat | kanzure: nevermind. i cant help you. |
| 02:37.57 | kanzure | heh |
| 02:38.08 | Virtual | debb0y: sorry, I confused it with dpkg |
| 02:38.24 | kanzure | i want to set up myself so that "ns1.domain.com", pointing to my IP address, will bring "domain.com" as what I get for "http://localhost". |
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| 02:39.06 | debb0y | Virtual, oh so what can i do? any ideas? |
| 02:39.19 | deadcat | debb0y: remove those pkgs thats giving you trouble. |
| 02:39.21 | deadcat | you on sid? |
| 02:39.26 | debb0y | yes |
| 02:39.33 | deadcat | thats what you get for fucking with sid |
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| 02:39.43 | deadcat | now walk it off |
| 02:39.45 | Virtual | haha |
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| 02:39.58 | Virtual | debb0y: dpkg -i --force-overwrite /var/cache/apt/archives/libwxgtk2.4-python_2.4.2.6_i386.deb |
| 02:40.01 | Virtual | try this |
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| 02:42.46 | empty_mind | i am unable to view any chineese characters in my debian machine, i have installed chineese locales |
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| 02:43.45 | deadcat | empty_mind: arent there packages to download? |
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| 02:44.15 | doublehp | cafuego: no vsftp uses local right to manage anonymous upload ... I need that to be managed by the daemon itself |
| 02:44.29 | empty_mind | deadcat, which ones ? |
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| 02:44.46 | deadcat | empty_mind: i dont know. i dont use them |
| 02:45.11 | kanzure | what's the command line argument to take a screenshot? |
| 02:45.17 | kanzure | er, app* |
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| 02:45.24 | deadcat | kanzure: apt-get install scrot |
| 02:45.30 | kanzure | er.. |
| 02:45.32 | kanzure | no. |
| 02:45.33 | kanzure | xwm ? |
| 02:45.43 | deadcat | xwd -frame | convert - hello.png |
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| 02:47.24 | deadcat | can someone cat /etc/issue for me. |
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| 02:47.39 | kanzure | thanks deadcat |
| 02:47.51 | budluva | cafuego you still there? |
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| 02:48.04 | Nurbs | deadcat: "Debian GNU/Linux 3.1 \n \l" here |
| 02:48.08 | deadcat | Nurbs: thanks. |
| 02:48.19 | mrgenixus | huh? |
| 02:49.28 | leo | who knows what is the BEST p2p client ever!? |
| 02:49.35 | Guerin | leo: ftp |
| 02:49.53 | mrgenixus | leo nfs |
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| 02:50.18 | mrgenixus | <PROTECTED> |
| 02:50.41 | zignig | leo: friends with mass storage. |
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| 02:50.49 | Guerin | carrier badgers |
| 02:51.16 | zignig | Guerin: heh. |
| 02:52.01 | mrgenixus | leo ipod |
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| 02:53.10 | adexta | my sound isn't working |
| 02:53.18 | adexta | for gaim |
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| 02:53.32 | deadcat | you're on your own |
| 02:53.33 | zignig | Guerin: have you ever seen a real badger ? |
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| 02:54.07 | adexta | what's the gnome equivalent of arts? |
| 02:54.14 | adexta | like artsplay? |
| 02:54.21 | deadcat | esd |
| 02:54.25 | mrgenixus | adexta: gnome doesn't need anyting like arts |
| 02:54.36 | mrgenixus | adexta: it just uses the oss / alsa api |
| 02:54.41 | adexta | what's the command for "play this file"? |
| 02:54.52 | adexta | like "artsplay /path/to/file.mp3 |
| 02:54.54 | deadcat | play |
| 02:55.02 | deadcat | mpg123 hello.mp3 |
| 02:55.15 | Flaim | How would I determine if libXt.so.6 is corrupt? |
| 02:55.18 | Guerin | zignig: nope |
| 02:55.26 | Guerin | zignig: i come from a land without badgers |
| 02:55.48 | maher | Flaim: debsums |
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| 02:56.24 | Flaim | maher: ok.. |
| 02:56.27 | odyssey | Guerin, not even a breezy badger? |
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| 02:57.03 | adexta | could you try apt-get upgrade libXt? |
| 02:57.07 | adexta | or is this not a pacakage? |
| 02:57.25 | Flaim | it's in a package.. I already reinstalled said package. |
| 02:57.31 | Flaim | but gs is refusing to find libXt.so.6 |
| 02:58.02 | Flaim | and apparently that fact is what's keeping me from printing. |
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| 02:58.14 | maher | Flaim: do you have gs-esp installed |
| 02:58.19 | Flaim | Yes, I do. |
| 02:58.40 | maher | Flaim: unstable, cups? |
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| 02:58.53 | Flaim | testing, and yes, cups is installed. |
| 02:59.01 | Flaim | as is foomatic |
| 02:59.10 | Loof | Anyone here running 2.6.11(.7) /w an ATI video card and FB Console? |
| 02:59.15 | Flaim | which is what's calling gs-esp |
| 02:59.23 | Flaim | foomatic-rip |
| 02:59.42 | maher | Flaim: there's been a bunch of bug fixes for cups thru recently... |
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| 03:00.31 | Flaim | Hmm.. |
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| 03:01.12 | Flaim | I've got 1.1.23-7 installed. |
| 03:02.10 | doublehp | does proftpd or vsftpd support resume of both down and up ? |
| 03:02.23 | cafuego | deadcat: editing video in real-time on a small laptop is GREAT! :-) |
| 03:02.45 | doublehp | <PROTECTED> |
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| 03:03.08 | maher | doublehp: spose you only set up a basic https server? |
| 03:03.25 | gravity | Ok... giFT just won me over |
| 03:03.48 | zignig | Guerin: they are big and scary and nasty. but they could sure carry a lot of harddrives. |
| 03:04.04 | cafuego | doublehp: Well, the connection is made to the SERVER IP, then the connection is secured, THEN the url-to-be-requested is sent over the secure connection. |
| 03:04.09 | doublehp | maher: my question is: is there a way to also encrypt all the requested address ? or at least the varibales ? |
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| 03:04.44 | maher | doublehp: use vnc or tunnel over ssh |
| 03:04.54 | Guerin | zignig: saddlebags! |
| 03:05.32 | Guerin | odyssey: there are no breezy badgers, as yet |
| 03:05.42 | Guerin | just breezy badger cubs |
| 03:05.44 | maher | doublehp: tho cafuego seems to think the answer is yes |
| 03:05.46 | doublehp | maher: I am trying to set up something compatible with default windows setup |
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| 03:06.28 | cafuego | maher: it's a matter of reading the RFC. The HTTP headers get sent via the *secured* connection. |
| 03:06.36 | ignatz1 | hey bob2 - how is debian gonna hold up to gcc 4.0 - so far it looks pitiful |
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| 03:06.57 | bob2 | ignatz: hm? |
| 03:07.06 | bob2 | gcc 4.0 means a new C++ abi |
| 03:07.11 | bob2 | so it won't even start until after sagre |
| 03:07.18 | bob2 | ubuntu is doing some preliminary work on it atm |
| 03:07.30 | maher | bob2: he left before you started |
| 03:07.40 | zignig | Guerin: or a wheeled cart ? |
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| 03:07.51 | cafuego | ignatz: gc is only *just* able to compile kernels. |
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| 03:08.40 | budluva | i have a problem with my network, i have all my interfaces working correctly, i can ping between both machines, i have ipmasq setup, after networking and ipmasq restart i cant get internet access on my windows machine...any suggestions? |
| 03:09.28 | Guerin | zignig: might cause trouble with terain |
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| 03:09.32 | Guerin | terrain even |
| 03:10.02 | sarge | where I can locate libpam-modules |
| 03:10.05 | Guerin | budluva: tel the windows machine to use the internal ip of the server as a gateway |
| 03:10.30 | Guerin | !tell sarge about pdo |
| 03:11.03 | sarge | I have a problem with jabber2 |
| 03:11.16 | budluva | Guerin yes, windows is setup as 192.168.0.2 netmask 255.255.255.0 gateway 192.168.0.1 (debian) |
| 03:11.35 | budluva | Guerin yes, windows is |
| 03:11.43 | Guerin | budluva: then something els is the mater. |
| 03:11.54 | Guerin | fucking thing keeps dropping keys |
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| 03:12.06 | sarge | ./configure --enable-pam=/lib/security/pam_motd.so --enable-ssl=/usr/local/ssl/bin/openssl --enable-idn=/usr/local/bin/idn --disable-mysql |
| 03:12.09 | cafuego | sysctl -w net.ipv4.ip_forward=1 |
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| 03:12.18 | cafuego | sarge: You need libpam-dev |
| 03:13.07 | budluva | Guerin yes, windows is setup as ip 192.168.0.2 subnet 255.255.255.0 and gateway of 192.168.0.1 (debian), i can ping fine between both machines, just that there's no net access, no net access even after a networking and ipmasq restart |
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| 03:14.01 | kasper | !hold |
| 03:14.01 | dpkg | hold is, like, a status flag to tell apt not to automatically upgrade a package. apt will place packages on hold if they require packages that are not currently installable; you can 'apt-get install pkgname' to explicitly install the package. To put a package on hold, 'echo pkgname hold | dpkg --set-selections' or use the '=' key on the package in dselect. Use 'echo pkgname install | dpkg --set-selections' to remove the hold. |
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| 03:14.29 | Guerin | budluva: check your iptables rules. |
| 03:15.10 | Guerin | budluva: if what you've described was all true, it'd work. Since it doesn't, go looking for things like typos |
| 03:15.16 | budluva | ooooh |
| 03:15.25 | budluva | i think i forgot to enable ip_forward |
| 03:15.28 | budluva | let me try that first |
| 03:15.31 | leo | TCP/IP is based on a layered model. What this means, exactly? |
| 03:15.45 | Guerin | leo: get a tcp/ip textbook |
| 03:16.06 | Guerin | leo: this is not the channel in which to ask such questions |
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| 03:16.24 | leo | Guerin: I'm reading one, but it does not give me a more detailed information. |
| 03:16.41 | poli | leo, get Tanenbaum, Computer Networks |
| 03:16.45 | bob2 | it's basically meaningless |
| 03:16.48 | sarge | I have these: /lib/security# ls |
| 03:16.48 | sarge | pam_access.so pam_ftp.so pam_limits.so pam_nologin.so pam_shells.so pam_unix_acct.so pam_warn.so |
| 03:16.48 | sarge | pam_debug.so pam_group.so pam_listfile.so pam_permit.so pam_stress.so pam_unix_auth.so pam_wheel.so |
| 03:16.49 | sarge | pam_deny.so pam_issue.so pam_mail.so pam_rhosts_auth.so pam_tally.so pam_unix_passwd.so |
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| 03:16.55 | zignig | Guerin: hmm , true. I think the saddle bags full of 200G harddrives is the go. |
| 03:17.00 | bob2 | leo: tcp on top of ip on top of ethernet (or whatever) |
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| 03:17.51 | leo | bob2: hmm, this helps me, i'll look for more information |
| 03:17.58 | deadcat | bob2: g4 to sleep http://www.aronchi.org/LinuxOnIBookG4 |
| 03:18.13 | budluva | Guerin ok that didnt seem to work, you figure iptables is not setup right? |
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| 03:18.38 | cafuego | sarge: 1) Do not paste here. 2) The libpam-dev *package* |
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| 03:18.58 | cafuego | !info libpam0g-dev sarge |
| 03:18.59 | sarge | but not as it is required so that to jabber it makes the authentication |
| 03:19.02 | dpkg | libpam0g-dev: (Development files for PAM), section libdevel, is optional. Version: 0.76-22 (sarge), Packaged size: 110 kB, Installed size: 356 kB |
| 03:19.18 | cafuego | sarge: Yes, it is. 'apt-get install libpam0g-dev' |
| 03:19.59 | cafuego | sarge: if you don't know why, don't compile software. |
| 03:21.06 | Virtual | debconf: unable to initialize frontend: Kde |
| 03:21.06 | Virtual | debconf: (Can't locate Qt.pm in @INC (@INC contains: /etc/perl /usr/local/lib/perl/5.8.4 /usr/local/share/perl/5.8.4 /usr/lib/perl5 /usr/share/perl5 /usr/lib/perl/5.8 /usr/share/perl/5.8 /usr/local/lib/site_perl .) at /usr/share/perl5/Debconf/FrontEnd/Kde/Wizard.pm line 7, <> line 3.) |
| 03:21.11 | Virtual | anybody know how I can fix this? |
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| 03:21.23 | Virtual | it keeps apearing everytime I install something with apt-get and it`s quite enoying |
| 03:21.35 | cafuego | Virtual: dpkg-reconfigure debconf; select 'dialog' |
| 03:21.55 | Virtual | thank you |
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| 03:27.59 | hanasaki | ssh -L 3690:hivac:3691 <= does traffic og over the network on port 22 3690 or 3691? |
| 03:28.16 | cafuego | hanasaki: 22 |
| 03:28.20 | hanasaki | cool |
| 03:28.22 | hanasaki | hmmm |
| 03:28.35 | hanasaki | and hivac is a host that is looked up locally right? |
| 03:28.46 | cafuego | hanasaki: yep |
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| 03:28.57 | hanasaki | hmm so whats that channel 3: open failed: administratively prohibited: open failed |
| 03:29.06 | un1xhak3r | anyone here tried gentoo and came back to debian like me? |
| 03:29.19 | cafuego | un1xhak3r: No. |
| 03:29.32 | cafuego | un1xhak3r: We didn't need to try it to know it's crap. |
| 03:29.41 | hanasaki | lol ca |
| 03:29.43 | hanasaki | cafe_roy: |
| 03:29.45 | hanasaki | cafuego: |
| 03:29.47 | hanasaki | ug |
| 03:29.49 | poli | un1xhak3r, you came back to the light... good good |
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| 03:30.17 | un1xhak3r | cafuego: good point... but what abouut the gcc 4 , you dont think gentoo will run faster (faster) |
| 03:30.24 | cafuego | the way its users either troll or are severaly dyslexic was enough of an indication for me |
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| 03:30.38 | cafuego | un1xhak3r: No, i think it'll not compile at all, as gcc4 isn't stable enough. |
| 03:30.45 | hanasaki | cafuego: any idea about that error msg? |
| 03:30.45 | betterpurl | what is the proper directory to install/compile packages? |
| 03:30.55 | un1xhak3r | cafuego: ah ok |
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| 03:31.01 | bob2 | betterpurl: somewhere in your homedir is good |
| 03:31.03 | poli | un1xhak3r, get the gentoo spirit: http://funroll-loops.org/ |
| 03:31.19 | betterpurl | bob2 but I want it to be usable by others |
| 03:31.30 | cafuego | betterpurl: what package? |
| 03:32.12 | betterpurl | betterpurl support firefox or mysql or apache |
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| 03:32.28 | frekz | I've got a question: I'm from the gentoo world, where emerge <app> downloads, configures, compiles and installs. does apt-get install do the same thing? (download, configures, compiles, installing, while managing dependencies)? |
| 03:32.29 | betterpurl | *cafuego suppose firefox or mysql or apache |
| 03:32.38 | cafuego | betterpurl: those are all available as debian packages. |
| 03:32.45 | gravity | frekz: No compilation |
| 03:33.05 | budluva | is gpm the only way to get a mouse in console? |
| 03:33.05 | sarge | nothing that initiates jabber2 to me |
| 03:33.06 | cafuego | budluva: yes, unless you want to kill an actual live mouse |
| 03:33.09 | frekz | gravity: so we cannot optimize applications to fit our system? |
| 03:33.10 | poli | Freak, gets you the binary ready to run. |
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| 03:33.21 | betterpurl | cafuego but suppose I wanted to compile them? |
| 03:33.36 | budluva | cafuego hrmm...any reason why my mouse might not work with gpm? |
| 03:33.42 | gravity | frekz: It turns out to not be a really worthwhile thing to do |
| 03:33.48 | cafuego | frekz: If you think setting a bunch of global optimisation flags is useful, you have a lot of gcc documentation to read. |
| 03:33.51 | gravity | frekz: You do have options, but apt-get itself doesn't support them |
| 03:33.56 | poli | betterpurl, deb-src line in /etc/apt/sources.list will get you the sources |
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| 03:34.10 | sarge | pegasus:/usr/local/bin# tail -n 50 /var/log/syslog | grep jabber |
| 03:34.10 | sarge | Apr 21 22:28:13 localhost jabberd/router[17024]: starting up |
| 03:34.10 | sarge | Apr 21 22:28:13 localhost jabberd/resolver[17025]: starting up |
| 03:34.10 | sarge | Apr 21 22:28:13 localhost jabberd/sm[17026]: starting up |
| 03:34.10 | sarge | Apr 21 22:28:13 localhost jabberd/c2s[17028]: starting up |
| 03:34.11 | sarge | Apr 21 22:28:13 localhost jabberd/s2s[17027]: starting up (interval=60, queue=60, keepalive=0, idle=86400) |
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| 03:34.25 | bob2 | jesus |
| 03:34.26 | chealer | learning takes time |
| 03:34.28 | bob2 | you're a bit slow |
| 03:34.35 | betterpurl | poli -- that's irrelevant to my question |
| 03:34.36 | cafuego | also a bit gone |
| 03:34.50 | poli | betterpurl, didn't you want to compile it? |
| 03:34.52 | cafuego | betterpurl: apt-get install firefox mysql apache |
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| 03:35.23 | poli | betterpurl, getting the sources is the first step, you know.... |
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| 03:35.27 | betterpurl | poli cafuego I know *where* and *how* to get what I want. The question is *where* to compile them |
| 03:35.40 | betterpurl | cafuego I've already said I do not want apt-get. |
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| 03:35.58 | poli | betterpurl, if you use a deb-src line you will the sources and debian patches for the program in question. |
| 03:36.06 | cafuego | betterpurl: wtf are you running debian for them? |
| 03:36.21 | poli | betterpurl, Oh. If you don't want to apt-get it, just download, tar zxvf and do it! |
| 03:36.27 | cafuego | betterpurl: and do you have a REASON for not wanting the precompiled software? |
| 03:36.31 | wubba | why would you not want apt-get? |
| 03:36.35 | betterpurl | poli: I *downloaded* whatever I wanted |
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| 03:36.42 | betterpurl | because I need an OLDER version |
| 03:36.47 | poli | betterpurl, tar zxvf <whateveryouwant> and DO IT! |
| 03:36.48 | bob2 | sarge: can you stop pasting crap? thanks. |
| 03:36.54 | betterpurl | why do all of you make assumptions about what I want to do |
| 03:36.56 | bob2 | betterpurl: compile it in your homedir. install them to /usr/local/. |
| 03:37.02 | betterpurl | poli, stop answering questions that I didn't ask |
| 03:37.10 | cafuego | betterpurl: There's no reason you can't install a precompiled older version from snapshot.debian.net |
| 03:37.14 | bob2 | betterpurl: everyone is making assumptions because you won't explain what you're trying to do |
| 03:37.15 | frekz | gravity: ok thank you for your time |
| 03:37.16 | mwilson | Hey... one of you screen gurus... wtf does "/var/run/utmp is too hard to dig in" mean? |
| 03:37.17 | betterpurl | poli originally I was asking *where* is the *proper* place to put them |
| 03:37.36 | betterpurl | and bob2: somebody already suggested that, to which I replied: I want other users to use them, they are not specific to me |
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| 03:37.49 | bob2 | mwilson: probably that screen isn't setgid utmp |
| 03:37.49 | cafuego | mwilson: it means you have nethack options enabled. |
| 03:37.53 | wubba | i'm not sure there is a proper place. apt-get caches things in /var/cache/apt/archives after you install a package |
| 03:37.57 | bob2 | betterpurl: indeed, perhaps you should read what I said again then |
| 03:38.04 | betterpurl | cafuego I have my reasons, why are you all arguing with me instead of simply saying: /usr/local or /usr/src?! |
| 03:38.09 | bob2 | betterpurl: installing things to /usr/local/ means everyone can use them |
| 03:38.12 | poli | betterpurl, /usr/local, the place where most of the sources will put themselves. Basically, you can choose wherever you want to place them... |
| 03:38.18 | betterpurl | bob2 thank you. |
| 03:38.33 | cafuego | betterpurl: I'm not arguing, I'm trying to find out WHAT you're trying to do, so I can better help you. if you didn't want help, you shouldn't have asked. |
| 03:38.35 | mwilson | cafuego: wtf are "nethack options"? |
| 03:38.52 | cafuego | mwilson: "funny errors" in screen. |
| 03:38.52 | gravity | Archaeologist or Dwarfen Warrior |
| 03:39.07 | bob2 | mwilson: it gives errors in terms of nethack-style comments |
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| 03:39.14 | betterpurl | cafuego actually I wanted a specific question answered, not a "why are you doing this? there is a better way!" |
| 03:39.26 | cafuego | betterpurl: Your specific question was unclear. |
| 03:39.33 | mwilson | Ok, that's just idiotic. There's a control for that? |
| 03:39.40 | bob2 | yeah |
| 03:39.47 | cafuego | mwilson: Of course. |
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| 03:40.00 | bob2 | c-a :nethack off |
| 03:40.20 | deadcat | whats nethack? |
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| 03:40.32 | Servo888 | Just curious - but every day about this time, my laptop's harddrive starts working (light blinking like crazy) and I can hear it work... wtf is it doing?... I think it might be checking for package update but I thought it was more of a fedora thing. |
| 03:40.36 | bob2 | *the* text adventure game |
| 03:40.43 | poli | betterpurl, you are aware that old versions tend to have security bugs solved by new versions or deb-security, right? |
| 03:40.43 | bob2 | Servo888: 0625? |
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| 03:40.57 | slim | anyone here ever use gvim? |
| 03:40.57 | deadcat | bob2: whats that got to do with say "screen" |
| 03:41.02 | deadcat | slim: no |
| 03:41.20 | bob2 | deadcat: the screen authors have an odd sense of humour |
| 03:41.22 | Servo888 | bob2, what's 0265? |
| 03:41.26 | deadcat | bob2: hehe |
| 03:41.30 | mosty | i'm looking for a command to pipe data through that will remove all non-ascii characters, tr -cd '[:print:'] appears to delete newlines. any other ideas? |
| 03:41.33 | bob2 | Servo888: "does it happen at 06:25am?" |
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| 03:41.46 | cafuego | "Be careful! New screen tonight." |
| 03:41.51 | mwilson | Ok, the ACTUAL error message is a much more usable "Could not write /var/run/utmp: No such process" |
| 03:41.53 | Servo888 | Oh it happens at 11:45pm, bob2 |
| 03:42.09 | bob2 | mosty: include \n in the regexp? |
| 03:42.30 | deadcat | bob2: do you have the vga output for your ibook? i can only get it to work one output at a time. and i have to reboot to do it. |
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| 03:42.42 | mwilson | Hm, #291628 |
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| 03:42.55 | mosty | bob2, oh duh me |
| 03:42.55 | bob2 | deadcat: hm, I'm told that it works, but I've not got it to work myself |
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| 03:43.30 | deadcat | bob2: i reboot and the output shows on the vga, but the lcd would be flickering. |
| 03:43.37 | eyeris | I just ran "chsh -s /bin.bash" as root, then logged out before I realized what I had done. Anyone have any ideas for changing this back without rebooting into a rescue disk? |
| 03:43.41 | zignig | deadcat: there is a firmware patch to get multi monitor. |
| 03:43.49 | ethics | howdy all...anyone tried gcc4 on sarge? |
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| 03:43.58 | bob2 | eyeris: do you have sudo? |
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| 03:44.15 | deadcat | ethics: mount the root partition. the chroot /partition /bin/bash then edit /etc/passwd |
| 03:44.15 | eyeris | bob: no, not configured |
| 03:44.15 | cafuego | Why do all these people need to wreck their systems with a new gcc? |
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| 03:44.26 | cafuego | kn\: Somewhere else please |
| 03:44.30 | runedude | I know this is offtopic, but anyone know where I can find some help on ircd-hybrid? |
| 03:44.35 | mwilson | Hm, /var/run/utmp is 664 |
| 03:45.00 | bob2 | eyeris: you have a root password? |
| 03:45.20 | budluva | ok, im trying to setup my mouse with gpm, ive tried gpmconfig with /dev/psaux /dev/mouse /dev/input/mice and i've tried autops2 and imps2 ive tried all combinations possible, still nothing, can someone let me know what im doing wrong? |
| 03:45.25 | deadcat | eyeris: you can ssh root@machine /bin/bash |
| 03:45.28 | hanasaki | any reason why an entry in /etc/hosts would not be found when doing host hsotname? |
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| 03:45.39 | cafuego | hanasaki: yes |
| 03:45.39 | mwilson | Any reason why it would be? |
| 03:45.42 | bob2 | eyeris: you could 'ssh root@localhost "sed -e s,bin\.bash,bin/bash, < /etc/passwd > /etc/passwd.new ; mv /etc/passwd.new /etc/passwd"' |
| 03:45.48 | cafuego | hanasaki: 'host' doesn't use /etc/hostname |
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| 03:46.00 | hanasaki | <PROTECTED> |
| 03:46.05 | deadcat | bob2: i believe you can just ssh root@machine /bin/bash and you get a bash shell. |
| 03:46.06 | cafuego | that one too |
| 03:46.19 | hanasaki | has an entry for 127.0.01 a b c |
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| 03:46.25 | bob2 | deadcat: need -t for that, but good point |
| 03:46.28 | hanasaki | but host a says its not found |
| 03:46.36 | cafuego | hanasaki: 'host' doesn't use that file. |
| 03:46.41 | hanasaki | oh |
| 03:46.41 | eyeris | awesome |
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| 03:46.44 | mwilson | hanasaki: How many times do you have to be told? |
| 03:46.46 | hanasaki | what does it use |
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| 03:46.55 | kadu | can anybody help me install my graphics card driver? |
| 03:46.55 | dondelelcaro | hanasaki: it queries nameservers. |
| 03:46.56 | hanasaki | mwilson: it clicked |
| 03:46.59 | deadcat | bob2: oh ya. but i think -t is default. i sometimes like to -T to a system. heheh. stupid HP/UX |
| 03:47.00 | cafuego | hanasaki: /etc/resolv.conf |
| 03:47.04 | hanasaki | ah |
| 03:47.12 | deadcat | kadu: just ask the q |
| 03:47.12 | dondelelcaro | hanasaki: if you want to know if its working, ping $(hostname); |
| 03:47.17 | hanasaki | i thought /etc/nsswtich.conf controled that |
| 03:47.20 | deadcat | kadu: but that q is NO |
| 03:47.34 | kadu | what? |
| 03:47.34 | bob2 | deadcat: are you using x.org? |
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| 03:47.36 | deadcat | dondelelcaro: do you use your ppc for presentations? vga output? |
| 03:47.39 | eyeris | Hahahaahha... sshd is configured with PermitRootLogin no |
| 03:47.41 | poli | hanasaki, happens in solaris. :) |
| 03:47.42 | deadcat | bob2: no. xfree |
| 03:47.44 | Tecky` | hrm |
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| 03:47.48 | dondelelcaro | deadcat: nah, I haven't gotten that to work yet. |
| 03:47.53 | deadcat | damn |
| 03:47.54 | bob2 | deadcat: hm, I think you need x.org for it to work reliably |
| 03:47.57 | bob2 | or so I think I heard once |
| 03:48.01 | kadu | deadcat: what do you mean? |
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| 03:48.03 | hanasaki | dondelelcaro: thanks..it worksso |
| 03:48.03 | bob2 | it works magically on my x40 |
| 03:48.04 | deadcat | bob2: ok.. |
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| 03:48.15 | bob2 | just run 'i855crt crt on' and it works |
| 03:48.26 | mwilson | Hrm... permissions are right, whyinhell can't it write to it? |
| 03:48.32 | deadcat | kadu: we are not gonna HELP you with the video card. let us know where you are stuck and what card |
| 03:48.33 | cafuego | Speaking of an x40... I need someone to go buy an r41 |
| 03:48.37 | hanasaki | so ssh -L 34:hosta:24 will or will not find the host in /etc/hosts? |
| 03:48.54 | Tecky` | I just downloaded debian ... and I dont know how to install it |
| 03:48.54 | cafuego | hanasaki: 'ssh' as opposed to 'host' DOES use the hosts file. |
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| 03:48.56 | Tecky` | help me |
| 03:49.02 | kadu | oh okay thanks |
| 03:49.06 | dondelelcaro | Tecky`: have you read through the install manual yet? |
| 03:49.08 | hanasaki | hmm thanks |
| 03:49.10 | deadcat | Tecky`: put the damn cd in |
| 03:49.22 | dondelelcaro | !tell Tecky` -about install manual |
| 03:49.31 | eyeris | Thanks for the suggestions guys but I think I'll just reboot into a rescue disk. |
| 03:49.34 | Tecky` | cd? it requires a cd ? ... wtf ... no one ever told me that ... i was gonna install from floppy disketts! |
| 03:49.35 | deadcat | dondelelcaro: i doubt hes gonna read all those. hes a "noobie" |
| 03:49.46 | hanasaki | hmm i have a port forwarded with ssh and hwen i try to connect i get this error channel 2: open failed: administratively prohibited: open failed |
| 03:49.46 | hanasaki | <PROTECTED> |
| 03:49.46 | bob2 | Tecky`: then do that |
| 03:49.50 | bob2 | Tecky`: but first read the install guide |
| 03:49.51 | dondelelcaro | Tecky`: it doesn't. Read the install manual already. |
| 03:49.52 | holo | LOLOL |
| 03:49.54 | Bigrob | dondelelcaro, maybe he did not get a manual it not like debian comes in a box set |
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| 03:50.03 | holo | floppy dyskets ^^ |
| 03:50.11 | dondelelcaro | Bigrob: uh... you realize that the manual is available online, right? |
| 03:50.20 | cafuego | !lolo holo |
| 03:50.24 | cafuego | !lolol holo |
| 03:50.31 | deadcat | Bigrob: i've seen debian woody on frys' shelf |
| 03:50.37 | Tecky` | how does one go "ONLINE" ... i've heard of it ... but never truly had a chance to experience "GOING ONLINE" |
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| 03:50.47 | k-man | is having a dual cpu motherboard worth the extra cost? |
| 03:50.50 | cafuego | Tecky`: It's too late, you're ONLINE NOW |
| 03:51.00 | mosty | k-man, only if you want/need a dual cpu machine |
| 03:51.00 | bob2 | k-man: depends what you're doing |
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| 03:51.02 | deadcat | bob2: troll? |
| 03:51.03 | Tecky` | oh sorry |
| 03:51.07 | cafuego | k-man: Not normally, no. |
| 03:51.07 | dondelelcaro | dpkg: cmd: (.*?) =~ s/their/$nick/ |
| 03:51.07 | dpkg | dondelelcaro: i didn't have anything called 'cmd: (.*?)' to modify |
| 03:51.14 | dondelelcaro | dpkg: cmd: lolol (.*?) =~ s/their/$nick/ |
| 03:51.14 | dpkg | dondelelcaro: OK |
| 03:51.18 | ifup | hello can someone tell me how I can get my hotplug back to the orginal way it installed? I mean totally wipe and reinstall thanks |
| 03:51.25 | bob2 | Tecky`: that's the limit of your trolling skills? please go away. |
| 03:51.34 | bob2 | ifup: what did you do to it? |
| 03:51.34 | Tecky` | <PROTECTED> |
| 03:51.38 | Tecky` | i'm not trolling ... i'm a newbie |
| 03:51.39 | cafuego | dpkg: cmd: lolol (.*?) =~ s/nick/nick's/ |
| 03:51.39 | dpkg | cafuego: OK |
| 03:51.42 | deadcat | ifup: apt-get install hotplug --reinstall |
| 03:51.47 | Bigrob | tecky you might want to try gentoo they are very helpful |
| 03:51.56 | Bigrob | try #gentoo for more help |
| 03:51.57 | dondelelcaro | hrm... I think that probably screwed it |
| 03:51.58 | Tecky` | Gentoo? |
| 03:52.03 | dondelelcaro | !lolol you |
| 03:52.05 | holo | Tecky`, you are funny :) |
| 03:52.09 | cafuego | haha |
| 03:52.13 | gravity | dondelelcaro: Nice :-) |
| 03:52.14 | Bigrob | tecky, yes it is like debian but better |
| 03:52.15 | budluva | will gpm detect a usb mouse or just ps2 mice? |
| 03:52.22 | bob2 | I find it hard to believe Tecky` is in ##slackware, and has legit rdns, and is actually asking about "going online" |
| 03:52.24 | deadcat | Tecky`: ya. down the hall and make a left bro |
| 03:52.26 | bob2 | so, please stop talking to it |
| 03:52.31 | peterS | budluva: automatically? no. you have to give it the right parameters |
| 03:52.32 | cafuego | dondelelcaro: it's fine like that :-) |
| 03:52.35 | dondelelcaro | dpkg: cmd: lolol (.*?) =~ s/nick/1/ |
| 03:52.35 | dpkg | dondelelcaro: OK |
| 03:52.39 | peterS | budluva: and load the right modules, if something else on your system hasn't already done so |
| 03:52.49 | Tecky` | holo: funny ... i'm not trying to be funny i'm serious here... i'm a newbie and i dont know how to install this os ... everyone says its the greatest thing since sliced bread ... but i 'dumbass me' dont know how to install this distro |
| 03:52.59 | bob2 | !+ig |
| 03:53.00 | dpkg | somebody said ig was for woody: http://www.debian.org/releases/woody/installmanual ; sarge: http://d-i.alioth.debian.org/manual/ ; sid: /msg dpkg iyhtays. |
| 03:53.03 | budluva | well how do i know which drivers my usb mouse uses? |
| 03:53.06 | mosty | tecky: use the installer |
| 03:53.09 | bob2 | Tecky`: http://d-i.alioth.debian.org/manual/ |
| 03:53.12 | bob2 | Tecky`: go and read that |
| 03:53.12 | peterS | !usbmouse |
| 03:53.12 | dpkg | To use a USB mouse, do the following: [1] get a kernel with USB, USB mouse and input/HID support; standard Debian kernels have all this. [2] cd /dev && MAKEDEV usb && MAKEDEV input [3] apt-get install usbmgr or hotplug (or if that fails, modprobe hid and mousedev by hand); it should beep at you when USB devices are (un)plugged. [5] use device /dev/input/mice, protocol exps2 for gpm, protocol ExplorerPS/2 for X |
| 03:53.18 | cafuego | dondelelcaro: Oh, can you use ($1)s instead of $1's ? |
| 03:53.19 | bob2 | Tecky`: come back when you have finished reading it |
| 03:53.22 | Tecky` | hrm |
| 03:53.25 | Tecky` | ight ... brb |
| 03:53.34 | Bigrob | Tecky, you might want to try apt-getting it |
| 03:53.37 | dondelelcaro | cafuego: I think it would be ${1}s |
| 03:53.44 | dondelelcaro | cafuego: but I haven't used that syntax... |
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| 03:53.54 | peterS | budluva: hmmm, some of that is bad advice. anyway, the kernel modules you need are 'hid' (or 'usbhid' if you use kernel 2.6), and 'mousedev' |
| 03:53.58 | budluva | peterS so do all that when the mouse is unplugged? |
| 03:54.05 | cafuego | dpkg: cmd: lolol (.*?) =~ s/$1's/{$1}s/ |
| 03:54.05 | dpkg | cafuego: OK |
| 03:54.07 | peterS | budluva: doesn't matter, really |
| 03:54.09 | cafuego | !lolol dondelelcaro |
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| 03:54.18 | cafuego | typical |
| 03:54.24 | dondelelcaro | ${1} |
| 03:54.25 | derek_ | whats a good console irc client? |
| 03:54.30 | bob2 | derek_: irssi-text |
| 03:54.31 | peterS | derek_: irssi-text |
| 03:54.32 | dondelelcaro | derek_: irssi-text |
| 03:54.37 | cafuego | dpkg: cmd: lolol (.*?) =~ s/{$1}s/${1}s/ |
| 03:54.37 | dpkg | cafuego: OK |
| 03:54.39 | peterS | hmmm, I think we have a consensus |
| 03:54.45 | peterS | gravity: say bitchx |
| 03:54.45 | derek_ | hmmm, which to choose |
| 03:54.50 | derek_ | :) thanks |
| 03:54.52 | gravity | bitchx |
| 03:54.53 | Tecky` | See my problem is ... i have 50 floppy disks here ... and i dont know which one has the installer on it ... |
| 03:55.00 | Tecky` | do I really have to go disk by disk to find the installer ? |
| 03:55.07 | bloom | !lolol cafuego |
| 03:55.19 | dondelelcaro | hrm... nope. |
| 03:55.22 | bloom | I don't think that's what you wanted either |
| 03:55.23 | gravity | Tecky`: Read the manual. The whole thing. The answers lie therein |
| 03:55.23 | bob2 | Tecky`: and who on eaerth gave you 50 unlabbeled debian floppy disks? |
| 03:55.26 | poli | Tecky`, download the install disks again or try one by one, the one that boots is the first one. |
| 03:55.31 | dondelelcaro | well, you could do ($1|$1)s; but that's lame. |
| 03:55.31 | holo | Bigrob, when explaining a new concept, don't add another concept which is more difficult to undestand.. the person who is asking it will be more confused |
| 03:55.38 | deadcat | poli: hes trolling |
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| 03:55.47 | Tecky` | poli, what ? ..... i'm on a 33.6 dialup ..... NO WAY! |
| 03:55.56 | bob2 | jesus |
| 03:56.03 | Bigrob | holo, or he could simply use slackware that is pretty simple |
| 03:56.04 | bob2 | Tecky`: then you're screwed |
| 03:56.11 | bob2 | Tecky`: go and buy some Debian cd's |
| 03:56.16 | ifup | bob2: I upgraded to something and broke a script for libgphoto2 and now my sony camera gets recognised but only root access |
| 03:56.17 | Bigrob | simple linux for simple minded |
| 03:56.22 | Tecky` | bob: hrm ... any recomendations ? |
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| 03:56.34 | Tecky` | is cheapbytes still around ? |
| 03:56.41 | gravity | Go see |
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| 03:57.10 | Tecky` | i used them when i used to use Linspire |
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| 03:57.24 | bob2 | that's lovely |
| 03:57.26 | Tecky` | I loved Linspire |
| 03:57.31 | Bigrob | tekcy you might want to try Xandros |
| 03:57.46 | Tecky` | but friends of mine wanted/recomended i use debian, cuz they said its easy to use |
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| 03:58.01 | Bigrob | Tecky`, or you could use Corel Linux that is debian based |
| 03:58.06 | holo | Tecky`, linspire runs on debian, so you use debian after all! |
| 03:58.07 | bob2 | I hate the ones where you can't tell if they're clueless or trolling |
| 03:58.10 | bob2 | or if they have companions |
| 03:58.14 | Tecky` | Corel: didn't they make a picture viewer? |
| 03:58.17 | gravity | bob2: You already know the answer |
| 03:58.18 | bob2 | holo: no, it doesn't, sorry |
| 03:58.23 | cafuego | Tecky`: Do you have any preferred desktop environments? |
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| 03:58.29 | holo | bob2, no? :S |
| 03:58.35 | bob2 | Tecky`: If you can't even read the installation guide, Debian will not be easy to use, sorry. |
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| 03:58.41 | setuid | What's the thing I have to dpkg-reconfigure to get rid of the curses interactive menus? |
| 03:58.44 | setuid | I want text-only... |
| 03:58.48 | Flaim | ok, I can print from my ubuntu system but not my debian system. this is weird. |
| 03:58.48 | holo | i thought so, so it uses rpms? |
| 03:58.55 | dondelelcaro | setuid: debconf |
| 03:58.57 | setuid | ah |
| 03:58.57 | Tecky` | cafuego, ... desktop environments, I would love to have Click and run again... but I dont know if thats still offered with debian |
| 03:58.58 | bob2 | holo: no, it uses .debs |
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| 03:59.10 | bob2 | holo: it's dervied from Debian but really really not the same |
| 03:59.11 | setuid | Thanks |
| 03:59.12 | poli | Flaim, cups? |
| 03:59.16 | cafuego | Tecky`: No, that's a linspire thing. I meant would you prefer KDE or GNome? |
| 03:59.17 | Bigrob | Tecky`, I think click and run is only on linspire |
| 03:59.19 | Flaim | poli: yeah. |
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| 03:59.33 | Tecky` | hrm .... Gnome I heard is good ... |
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| 03:59.36 | cafuego | Tecky`: KDE is more like WIndows, whereas Gnome is more like MacOS. |
| 03:59.37 | Flaim | I basically followed the Debian-and-Windows-Shared-Printing HOWTO. |
| 03:59.40 | Tecky` | someone said its outdated tho ... so maybe KD |
| 03:59.45 | Bigrob | Tecky`, you might want to try knoppix |
| 03:59.48 | Tecky` | oh ... er KDE |
| 03:59.54 | gravity | What I hate is someone who feeds the troll |
| 04:00.03 | cafuego | Tecky`: Well, I'd recommend Ubuntu if you want GNome or Kubuntu if you want KDE. |
| 04:00.07 | Tecky` | what the heck is a troll ? |
| 04:00.08 | poli | Flaim, did you try copying the working /etc/cups to the other one? |
| 04:00.13 | cafuego | gravity: /ignore broken? |
| 04:00.26 | Flaim | poli: not yet.. |
| 04:00.27 | gravity | cafuego: Pointless when everyone else is replying |
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| 04:00.37 | poli | Flaim, it is a good start, I guess. |
| 04:00.43 | cafuego | gravity: You can ignore everyone else as well |
| 04:00.48 | budluva | peterS ok, so modprobe mousedev ? |
| 04:01.00 | gravity | cafuego: More work than it's worth |
| 04:01.02 | budluva | peterS im still having no luck with mouse in console |
| 04:01.13 | holo | Tecky`, a troll is someone who lives in a cave during the day, and goes out at night to eat people |
| 04:01.16 | Flaim | poli: perhaps.. but the error I get on the debian box is a library error |
| 04:01.20 | Tecky` | cafuego, I need to find the install disk ... i'm reading the manual and talking to you guys ... learning alot |
| 04:01.27 | peterS | budluva: yes, mousedev and then either 'hid' or 'usbhid' depending on your kernel version |
| 04:01.35 | holo | at least in lord of the rings in some book i read |
| 04:01.37 | cafuego | Tecky`: The install disk is easy to find and you won't need a manual. |
| 04:01.37 | poli | Flaim, oh... seems bad... did you check if the lib is there? |
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| 04:01.54 | Flaim | poli: it's there, and ldd doesn't complain.. |
| 04:01.56 | budluva | peterS 2.6.8-2 |
| 04:01.58 | Tecky` | Like i said ... i have alteast 50 disks... and they are not labeled .... gonna be a big problem to find the correct one |
| 04:02.07 | poli | Flaim, sarge? |
| 04:02.09 | cafuego | Tecky`: http://www.ubuntulinux.org/download/ |
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| 04:02.13 | peterS | budluva: usbhid, then. and you also need either uhci_hcd or ohci_hcd depending on your motherboard usb chipset |
| 04:02.16 | Flaim | poli: the actual error is with gs. |
| 04:02.20 | Flaim | yeah, sarge |
| 04:02.22 | cafuego | Tecky`: Just download the cd from your closest mirror server. |
| 04:02.25 | Tecky` | cafuego, NO, I WANT DEBIAN |
| 04:02.26 | Tecky` | =] |
| 04:02.29 | Bigrob | Tecky`, a troll is someon who tries starting a fight in chat room or forum. Example Debians slow ass binary packaging is crap compared to Gentoo optimized packages which make debian crap </end example> |
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| 04:03.03 | deadcat | folks, do what i did: /ignore Tecky` |
| 04:03.08 | budluva | peterS where do i echo modprobe? ie modprove mousedev && echo "mousedev" > /??????/ |
| 04:03.22 | cafuego | Tecky`: That can be fetched from http://www.debian.org/devel/debian-installer/ |
| 04:03.23 | deadcat | budluva: /etc/modules |
| 04:03.26 | Tecky` | if i /ignore tecky` wont i not see my own lines ? |
| 04:03.30 | budluva | k |
| 04:03.43 | peterS | budluva: echo mousedev >> /etc/modules |
| 04:03.43 | k-man | i'm using it as a desktop |
| 04:03.45 | poli | Tecky`, precisely |
| 04:03.46 | peterS | budluva: note the >> not > |
| 04:03.47 | cafuego | Tecky`: I suggest you fetch the netinst iso and burn that to a blank cd. |
| 04:03.59 | budluva | aahhh |
| 04:04.01 | k-man | regarding the two cpu machine, im using it as a desktop |
| 04:04.07 | Tecky` | cafuego, hrm alright ... i'll try to download the iso (whatever that is) |
| 04:04.12 | Bigrob | cafuego, he is on dial up |
| 04:04.23 | gravity | he's also full of crap |
| 04:04.24 | Bigrob | he said he was on a 33.6 connection |
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| 04:04.30 | budluva | ok, mousedev is done, now modprobe usbhid and uhci_hcd? |
| 04:04.30 | cafuego | Bigrob: It's only 100Mb |
| 04:04.41 | cafuego | Bigrob: I used to fetch far morew then that on 33.6 |
| 04:04.43 | budluva | or just apt-get usbhid and uhci_hcd? |
| 04:04.43 | holo | cafuego, don't you think that using floppy disks instead of cds will less expensive? |
| 04:04.46 | Bigrob | cafuego, yeah but it still has to download packages off the net |
| 04:04.47 | Tecky` | 100 mbyte on a 33.6 ... hrm |
| 04:05.04 | cafuego | Tecky`: Well, your alternative is to go through all cd's and label them. |
| 04:05.07 | Guerin | just get the businesscard iso ... only 30MB |
| 04:05.11 | wubba | 100 meg is not much |
| 04:05.11 | Tecky` | they aren' |
| 04:05.15 | wubba | even on 33.6 |
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| 04:05.29 | Tecky` | er they are not cd's ... like he said .. its over 50 floppy disks |
| 04:05.30 | Guerin | then you get to download the rest of base overnight... |
| 04:05.35 | peterS | budluva: those are kernel modules too. whether you need uhci_hcd or ohci_hcd will depend on your USB chipset |
| 04:05.42 | cafuego | floppyies, ayiee. |
| 04:05.50 | Bigrob | Tecky`, download knopixx and then come here when you have problems |
| 04:05.52 | cafuego | out of 50, at least 20 are going to be broken anway. |
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| 04:06.06 | Guerin | 33.6k modem, floppies... is this a copmputer from a time capsule? |
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| 04:06.12 | Tecky` | Bigrob, is knoppix the same as Debian ? |
| 04:06.14 | Phated | Download knoppix and kindly go to #knoppix when you have problems. |
| 04:06.22 | Guerin | !knoppixsmite Bigrob |
| 04:06.34 | Bigrob | ha |
| 04:06.36 | holo | lololol |
| 04:06.50 | wubba | you can download cd1 and then make your own mirror. then boot from floppies |
| 04:06.51 | Bigrob | Tecky`, no knoppix is based of gentoo. |
| 04:06.55 | holo | Bigrob, see? knoppix is derived from debian, but they are not the same :p |
| 04:07.05 | barnett | Knoppix is definitely derived from debian |
| 04:07.06 | budluva | peterS ok, modprobe mousedev didnt give any input but modprove usbhid seemed to work fine, usb core driver installed |
| 04:07.09 | barnett | there's a giant-ass debian logo on it |
| 04:07.26 | poli | barnett, damn GPL! |
| 04:07.26 | Tecky` | Bigrob, where do I download this "knoppix" after all I want to install Debian ... like my friends said to install |
| 04:07.34 | Bigrob | Tecky`, so you should go bother the #gentoo people about it |
| 04:07.38 | peterS | budluva: anyway, dpkg-reconfigure gpm. tell it /dev/input/mice and protocol exps2 or autops2 |
| 04:07.42 | De_Mon | oh thats a good one |
| 04:07.50 | Bigrob | Tecky`, then make your dirt bag friends install it then |
| 04:07.51 | gravity | Tecky`: Why don't you get your friends to help you out? |
| 04:07.52 | barnett | poli: lol |
| 04:07.56 | dondelelcaro | Bigrob: if you're going to give false advice, go elsewhere, please. |
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| 04:08.00 | holo | barnett, aha! you know it becouse you use demo distros!! |
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| 04:08.28 | barnett | holo: haha yes |
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| 04:08.43 | Raa | Hi all. i'm looking for some help with webalizer not producing reports. Any takers? |
| 04:08.45 | gravity | Tecky`: Call your friends and have them come over and install Debian for you. And ask them questions. It's far easier to pester a real friend than us. |
| 04:08.46 | Bigrob | dondelelcaro, it not false the #gentoo people are very nice just like the slackware people unlike some people in this room |
| 04:08.50 | barnett | this is not good, getting 3 channels at once over bitchx :-D |
| 04:08.55 | budluva | peterS great its working now, thanks alot |
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| 04:09.01 | peterS | budluva: cool |
| 04:09.05 | barnett | that and i get gentoo and debian at once |
| 04:09.08 | barnett | so it gets very confusing. |
| 04:09.13 | Moonscope | what you got Raa |
| 04:09.14 | Guerin | Bigrob: that doesn't make anything you've said in the past 5 any less wrong |
| 04:09.19 | Guerin | heh |
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| 04:09.22 | Guerin | too late |
| 04:09.26 | barnett | i get "how do i use apt" followed by "how do i emerge this" |
| 04:09.38 | gravity | !tell blujay about away |
| 04:09.39 | budluva | peterS it worked automatically after i loaded uhci_hcd |
| 04:09.41 | gravity | ugh... |
| 04:09.45 | gravity | blujay: Sorry. That wasn't for you |
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| 04:09.53 | cafuego | barnett: Switch to a less shit irc client. Try 'irssi'. |
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| 04:10.01 | barnett | cafuego: heyyy |
| 04:10.08 | barnett | cafuego: bitchx is t3h nice :-P lol |
| 04:10.16 | cafuego | barnett: Well, it's true. bitchx is a world of crap. |
| 04:10.29 | barnett | cafuego: ehh. perhaps. but i stick with what i have :-P |
| 04:10.36 | Moonscope | so Raa what you need... |
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| 04:10.40 | stouset | barnett: Why? That's kind of silly. |
| 04:10.44 | barnett | cafuego: i could always switch to xchat aqua :-P |
| 04:10.47 | stouset | cafuego: A world? I assumed only a continent. |
| 04:10.53 | cafuego | stouset: No, it got worse |
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| 04:11.04 | stouset | cafuego: Is this in a changelog somewhere? :-( |
| 04:11.06 | Raa | anyone with any knowledge on webalizer? |
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| 04:11.26 | blujay | hehe, that's ok |
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| 04:12.08 | cafuego | stouset: the bitchx changelog I would hazard |
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| 04:12.20 | stouset | cafuego: I'll try grepping it ;) |
| 04:12.37 | barnett | yayyy xchat aqua |
| 04:13.12 | stouset | zgrep "world of crap" /usr/share/doc/bitchx/changelog.gz |
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| 04:14.18 | cafuego | stouset: zcat /usr/share/doc/bitchx/changelog.gz | head |
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| 04:15.05 | billatq | Hmm. I just set up a sarge machine and try as I might, I can't coerce any sound out of my speakers even though it appears to be playing to *something* |
| 04:15.14 | BlackJudas | I've tried asking in #screen, but would anyone know how to detach a screen within a screen? |
| 04:15.18 | billatq | Simce I'm somewhat tired, anyone have any suggestions for something I missed |
| 04:15.28 | billatq | BlackJudas: Ctrl+a a d |
| 04:15.30 | cafuego | BlackJudas: crtl-aad |
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| 04:15.38 | poli | billatq, alsamixer ? |
| 04:15.41 | deadcat | BlackJudas: didnt you man screen? its there |
| 04:15.45 | BlackJudas | ctrl-aa moves me to a previous screen session |
| 04:16.01 | billatq | I tried amixer, let me take a peek at alsamixer |
| 04:16.01 | deadcat | BlackJudas: ^a a d |
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| 04:16.16 | cafuego | BlackJudas: Did you at all customise .screenrc? |
| 04:16.23 | stouset | Anyone know when wxWindows is going to support GTK2? :-) |
| 04:16.23 | BlackJudas | Ahhh, let go of ctrl.. i see :o |
| 04:16.25 | deadcat | BlackJudas: you did ^a ^a d or ^a ^a ^d |
| 04:16.33 | stouset | Seeing GTK1 widgets is an eyesore nowadays. |
| 04:16.43 | BlackJudas | deadcat, I held down ctrl while trying ctrl+aad |
| 04:16.54 | myren | damn, wtf is with eclispe? version 2.1 debian packages? |
| 04:16.55 | BlackJudas | That was my mistake. Thank you. |
| 04:16.56 | deadcat | BlackJudas: ya. (= |
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| 04:17.03 | myren | ssoo old |
| 04:17.08 | stouset | myren: Eclipse 3.0 is being packaged |
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| 04:17.16 | myren | is there an experimental? |
| 04:17.23 | myren | it seems like apt-get.org is just not keeping up anymore |
| 04:17.24 | stouset | myren: Part of the problem though is that Debian doesn't have any JVMs capable of running it. |
| 04:17.25 | cafuego | does eclipse do anything useful? |
| 04:17.32 | BlackJudas | General question, can an mpl project be forked to a gpl one so it could be included in debian? |
| 04:17.37 | stouset | cafuego: Graphical SVN browsing is hella nice. |
| 04:17.44 | stouset | cafuego: Especially for merging and diffs. |
| 04:17.53 | cafuego | pff. buy bk ;-) |
| 04:17.55 | poli | cafuego, I have set up a pretty descent IDE for HC12 microcontrollers on eclipse... |
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| 04:17.57 | myren | stouset: meh, there's plenty of good debian-j2sdk juju |
| 04:18.06 | stouset | myren: Aye. I use it myself. |
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| 04:18.23 | myren | unofficial, true |
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| 04:18.25 | stouset | myren: What I did for the time being was just download Eclipse 3, put it in a folder on my desktop, and just made a shortcut there. |
| 04:18.55 | sonimt | tl;dr |
| 04:18.55 | myren | poli: what language you use? |
| 04:18.55 | poli | myren, gcc-hc12 |
| 04:18.55 | usuario | !realplayer |
| 04:18.55 | dpkg | i heard realplayer is a proprietary Real player, or http://www.real.com/linux/ or ask me about helix player, or ask me about shit |
| 04:18.55 | stouset | That works. It's not as nice as having it packaged, but at least there it's self contained and won't leave cruft. |
| 04:18.55 | billatq | Hmm. alsamixer doesn't appear to work |
| 04:18.58 | deadcat | cafuego: are you gonna try ubuntu on your ibook when you get the macmini? |
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| 04:19.01 | usuario | !shit |
| 04:19.01 | dpkg | somebody said shit was fecal matter.. scratch your ass, sniff your finger. Smell that? Shit. |
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| 04:19.08 | myren | stouset: yeah, i just kind of assumed eclipse would blitz my machine with cruft everywhere |
| 04:19.17 | dondelelcaro | usuario: you can /msg the bot |
| 04:19.19 | cafuego | ethics: No, the ibook will remain osx only, the mini will be an ubuntu/osx dual-boot |
| 04:19.23 | myren | deadcat: i confess to doing a little bit of mixing as we speak |
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| 04:19.29 | stouset | myren: It will. Just place it in a folder in your home dir somewhere and uun it outta there. |
| 04:19.34 | zignig | cafuego: you got a mac mini ? |
| 04:19.40 | deadcat | myren: girl (= |
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| 04:19.49 | myren | poli: i wanna do a powerpc embedded some day |
| 04:19.51 | cafuego | zignig: ordered 6 weeks ago, should be here any time now. |
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| 04:19.58 | stouset | run* it out of there |
| 04:20.00 | myren | poli: i'm tired of systems without MMU's |
| 04:20.00 | zignig | cafuego: oooh cool :) |
| 04:20.09 | myren | deadcat: i wish |
| 04:20.12 | cafuego | zignig: Well, specifically, my wife will get one. her B&W G3 is a bit tired. |
| 04:20.14 | poli | myren, hahahaah MMUs rock! :) |
| 04:20.28 | deadcat | i want to get vga AND lcd to work on the ibook without rebooting the machine. |
| 04:20.34 | mwilson | cafuego: Your wife will get what? |
| 04:20.41 | cafuego | mwilson: a mac mini |
| 04:20.45 | mwilson | Oooh, cool. |
| 04:20.57 | stouset | myren: Hm, I take it back. Evidently SableVM can run Eclipse 3 now. |
| 04:21.02 | stouset | myren: I'm not sure how well. |
| 04:21.10 | cafuego | She wanted a 20" imac, but instead went for a 12" iBook and a Mac Mini (cheaper, all up too) |
| 04:21.13 | myren | stouset: i made that mistake once. very slowly. |
| 04:21.19 | barnett | Yay for apple |
| 04:21.20 | deadcat | mwilson: buy it... (= |
| 04:21.21 | zignig | cafuego: I considered putting debian on my 12' ibook but stuck with osX coz its so shiney. |
| 04:21.29 | barnett | zignig: wise decision. |
| 04:21.30 | mwilson | I already have a PB. :) |
| 04:21.36 | cafuego | mwilson: My mother in law got he 20" iMac - VERY nice. |
| 04:21.43 | barnett | zignig: btw, nice 12 foot ibook |
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| 04:22.02 | cafuego | zignig: yeah, OSX is really nice. Especially once you add fink ;-) |
| 04:22.14 | barnett | oooh yes, fink. |
| 04:22.17 | myren | are there any gui programs for manipulating kde DCOP? |
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| 04:22.23 | mwilson | cafuego: Yeah, it's just the PS problems that're starting to surface that bother me... |
| 04:22.27 | myren | and whats the kde configuration proggie? |
| 04:22.33 | deadcat | i agree with dondelelcaro, debian runs great on it |
| 04:22.34 | barnett | control center, myren? |
| 04:22.35 | unco | anyone know wtf slave transfer queued means? |
| 04:22.39 | cafuego | zignig: The only thing that shits me is that 12" PC laptops are *more expensive* than the larger ones. |
| 04:22.47 | unco | after u do an ndc reload |
| 04:22.49 | zignig | barnett: we use a _real_ measuring system he in .au,anyway a 12ft ibook wouldn't be very portable. |
| 04:22.58 | barnett | zignig: lol |
| 04:22.59 | zignig | cafuego: weird hey ? |
| 04:23.02 | barnett | zignig: i was referring to the ' |
| 04:23.05 | barnett | zignig: instead of " |
| 04:23.06 | cafuego | mwilson: That's why you ALWAYS buy applecare on a fairly recent product. |
| 04:23.09 | mwilson | zignig: But cool, very cool, :) |
| 04:23.15 | zignig | barnett: :) |
| 04:23.21 | cafuego | zignig: yeah... |
| 04:23.22 | barnett | zignig: and don't dis the imperial system :-d lol |
| 04:23.29 | mwilson | cafuego: Yeah, I have applecare on both my PB and iBook. |
| 04:23.42 | zignig | mwilson: oh yes , it'd make a good home cinema. |
| 04:24.07 | zignig | barnett: just because the _rest_ of the world has gone to SI , doesn't mean .us should catch up , nooooo :P |
| 04:24.16 | cafuego | mwilson: Only problem I've heard of is a friend with a 15" iBook having to be given a compeltely new one |
| 04:24.24 | mwilson | We just bought a G5 2.0 and two 20" Cinema displays for our video editing guys. |
| 04:24.35 | mwilson | 2.0 ghz, rather |
| 04:24.35 | barnett | zignig: of course not. we are the us. our job is to roll over middle eastern countries and make them parking lots for the rest of the world to go to an international wal-mart. |
| 04:24.39 | zignig | mwilson: wow cool. |
| 04:24.43 | cafuego | mwilson: Blah. iMovie HD runs fine on the iBook ;-) |
| 04:24.51 | stouset | barnett: Don't forget gas on tap ;) |
| 04:24.55 | zignig | barnett: if that is the plan it's working well. |
| 04:25.03 | deadcat | mwilson: hes better be editing porn (= |
| 04:25.03 | barnett | stouset: lol |
| 04:25.10 | cafuego | zignig: hahaha! ;-) |
| 04:25.10 | barnett | zignig: yes it is, quite well... |
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| 04:25.18 | mwilson | cafuego: Yes, but the new FCP Studio 5 that was announced at NAB won't. :) |
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| 04:25.32 | cafuego | mwilson: Bah. G5 only? |
| 04:25.52 | zignig | mwilson: have you seen Final cut Pro and Shake ? |
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| 04:26.24 | zignig | barnett: and don't forget the 'piss of the rest of the world' part of the plan , that's going well too. |
| 04:26.33 | barnett | lol, see our debian boxes work, so we're talking about other things like world affairs |
| 04:26.34 | zignig | s/of/off |
| 04:26.37 | mwilson | zignig: The new one? *I* have not. Our video guys have. They called me from the convention to get me to cancel the FCP 4 HD order I'd put in for them and re-order the new one. |
| 04:26.37 | barnett | the gentoo channel on the other hand... |
| 04:27.02 | zignig | mwilson: haha. |
| 04:27.07 | mwilson | zignig: I'm no editor... I just support them. |
| 04:27.14 | zignig | mwilson: sounds like a nice set up. |
| 04:27.18 | barnett | cafuego: lol. |
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| 04:27.48 | barnett | right now there's a guy in #gentoo that's warning that emerge breaks things :-P |
| 04:27.56 | barnett | i thought the point of package management was for it to make it easier NOT to break things |
| 04:27.59 | mwilson | zignig: Yeah, they finally got capital dollars to replace their old system, I ordered it, and then I had to run around cancelling and changing things because they went to a convention. :) |
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| 04:28.13 | myren | what other systems are there like dcop? |
| 04:28.24 | zignig | mwilson: artieeests bleh! ;) |
| 04:28.31 | cafuego | mwilson: have you bought them a couple of Xserves for storage yet? |
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| 04:28.38 | myren | dcop is the kde messaging IPC |
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| 04:28.45 | zignig | mwilson: but they are happy for now ? ... |
| 04:28.50 | deadcat | my friend just installed debian on his machine and chose ext2, how can he convert all the partitions to ext3? just /etc/fstab ok or has to run tune2fs? |
| 04:28.56 | barnett | whoopsies, hit the X button on the x-chat tab. ;-D |
| 04:28.57 | mwilson | cafuego: Nah, they have to talk to the Win2k3 server. |
| 04:29.01 | cafuego | myren: there's dbus these days |
| 04:29.04 | zignig | deadcat: run tune2fs |
| 04:29.08 | billatq | Ugh, why don't I hear anything out of my speakers? :) |
| 04:29.12 | deadcat | zignig: while mounted |
| 04:29.14 | deadcat | ? |
| 04:29.18 | cafuego | billatq: They're not plugged in? |
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| 04:29.21 | billatq | That thing's been nothing but trouble |
| 04:29.24 | bink | Question: I have used Debian for so long that I don't even bother with other distributions by this point. BUT I need to be able to convince someone who thinks fedora core (rather a small commitee) is the way to go. |
| 04:29.30 | billatq | cafuego: It's a laptop, that's not quite an option ;) |
| 04:29.37 | mwilson | zignig: No, they're very UNHAPPY, because now they have to wait 406 weeks for their new toys. I told them they couldn't have the computer until we had the software for it. :) |
| 04:29.38 | zignig | deadcat: ummm , cant remember , read manual. |
| 04:29.43 | deadcat | 0= |
| 04:29.49 | mwilson | 4-to-6 weeks, I mean. |
| 04:29.49 | barnett | deadcat: i would tihnk you can't just change /etc/fstab. |
| 04:29.50 | billatq | bink: Simple amount of time it requires to maintain each |
| 04:29.59 | cafuego | bink: Ask them if THEY 9the committee) are going to keep the box up to date and install required software. |
| 04:30.06 | barnett | deadcat: google is your friend. |
| 04:30.08 | barnett | deadcat: http://www.troubleshooters.com/linux/ext2toext3.htm |
| 04:30.17 | deadcat | barnett: thanks |
| 04:30.21 | zignig | mwilson: heh 406 weeks ! you bastard ;... |
| 04:30.23 | ethics | billatq: 810 board...it picks up your ac97 driver ok? |
| 04:30.24 | bink | Yeah, I would agree... but these people seem to think that the redhat/fc update utilities are just fine. |
| 04:30.27 | cafuego | bink: if they decline, they should be told YOU aren;'t interested in wasting your time. |
| 04:30.47 | barnett | bink: the redhat/fc update utilities are fine? Ha. |
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| 04:30.50 | zignig | mwilson: they should be thankfull to their overlord that they weren't given SE30s. |
| 04:30.51 | barnett | bink: up2date crashes every time i try |
| 04:30.53 | billatq | ethics: certainly seems to |
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| 04:31.04 | bink | cafuego: I know ... except that means I look for a job elsewhere and I am kinda happy where I am for the moment. |
| 04:31.06 | mwilson | zignig: *I* have to make do with a G4/500 as my test machine at work. |
| 04:31.11 | cafuego | zignig: I have a few of them, you know? :-) |
| 04:31.24 | zignig | cafuego: color classic ? |
| 04:31.32 | bink | barnett: this I also know. |
| 04:31.38 | ethics | Billatq: lspci shows it?...alsaconf finds it? alsamixer unmuted and cranked up the volumes etc? |
| 04:31.41 | billatq | ethics: Yup, it's in the kernel messages |
| 04:31.49 | cafuego | zignig: SE30s. And one colour classic, with external 20Mb SCSI drive. |
| 04:31.53 | mwilson | zignig: It's either that, or I have to use my OWN machine to test updates and security fixes. |
| 04:32.05 | bink | what I am looking for are reasons I can give hard numbers too. |
| 04:32.06 | barnett | how do people even get along with red hat in an enterprise environment? i don't get it. i think i'd pull my hair out and commit suicide in the first week. |
| 04:32.08 | billatq | ethics: Yeah, in lspci as well |
| 04:32.09 | ethics | billatq: 2.6 kernel? |
| 04:32.09 | cafuego | The SE30s have external 21" greyscale screens. |
| 04:32.21 | zignig | mwilson: and that is obviously unacceptable. |
| 04:32.25 | billatq | ethics: Yeah, I'll give alsaconf a whack |
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| 04:32.49 | ethics | billatq: alsa conf should identify it easily enough....see what it says |
| 04:32.51 | billatq | (even though it looks like it's already loaded into the kernel as well) |
| 04:32.52 | cafuego | bink: Does FC3 install X? |
| 04:32.59 | mwilson | zignig: I think so, yes. But where I work supports Mac grudgingly. |
| 04:33.09 | ethics | billatq: alsa is built into 2.6 kernel |
| 04:33.10 | bink | barnett: It's amazing that my university has been contemplating a university wide license for redhat. |
| 04:33.29 | barnett | bink: ouch. |
| 04:33.31 | ethics | billatq: 2.4 you had to load modules....2.6 works much better i found |
| 04:33.34 | mwilson | zignig: Not my *office*, you understand... we're fine with it, it's the corporate folks. |
| 04:33.40 | bink | cafuego: I dunno... The only redhat like distro I use is scyld because we need the technical support they offer for political reasons. |
| 04:34.07 | cafuego | bink: I've only ever used redhat 5 and that was ONLY to copy off data files, coz the box in question has been rooted. |
| 04:34.12 | barnett | for rhel without the support...there's always centos... |
| 04:34.25 | barnett | they took the srpm's and compiled :-P |
| 04:34.30 | cafuego | bink: The same machine has been running debian since. (4 or so years) |
| 04:34.45 | bink | cafuego: amen brother, the first cd I had was redhat, then I tried suse for a while, then I found debian and it's been love ever since :) |
| 04:34.48 | billatq | ethics: Indeed I've normally found that to be the case |
| 04:35.27 | cafuego | bink: Can't you just TELL them you'll install redhat and repalce issue and issue.net after you've installed sarge? |
| 04:35.50 | billatq | Weird, alsamixer found it and it shows up, but doesn't appear to be muted |
| 04:35.52 | barnett | bink: just root the redhat box and place little messages everywhere |
| 04:35.52 | billatq | same on amixer |
| 04:35.53 | bink | well, we bought a cluster from Penguin computing... If I am not around at some future date they need someone to reliably call on for help. |
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| 04:36.11 | cafuego | bink: Ah! "Debian's package and update management by way of apt-get is SO good that redhat has stolen it". |
| 04:36.18 | ethics | billatq: so it looks like its working but you cannot hear the output? |
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| 04:36.27 | billatq | ethics: Yeah |
| 04:36.33 | bink | barnett: I could give you a bunch of departmental ips and you could have your fun ... but I don't think that's the way to go. |
| 04:36.39 | ethics | billatq: what gui you in? gnome kde? |
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| 04:36.50 | barnett | bink: lol, no i think not. |
| 04:36.57 | billatq | ethics: I'm in gnome at the moment |
| 04:37.06 | billatq | Xmms seems to be happily outputing to /dev/dsp |
| 04:37.10 | cafuego | bink: And of course Debian ahs more sane and secure application defaults than Fedora |
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| 04:37.28 | budluva | what options should i have set for /dev/hdc5 /home ext3 in my fstab? |
| 04:37.33 | ethics | billatq: xmms has a tick box for use OSS sound or something i think... |
| 04:37.40 | cafuego | budluva: defaults |
| 04:37.43 | budluva | ok |
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| 04:37.52 | cafuego | /dev/hdc5 /home ext3 defaults 0 0 |
| 04:37.52 | billatq | Well, even so, the Alsa output doesn't appear to woerk either |
| 04:37.56 | bink | cafuago: yeah? are there any specific examples in commonly used software? |
| 04:38.10 | budluva | cafuego what defaults does it load? |
| 04:38.11 | cafuego | bink: Probably, just none that I know of. |
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| 04:38.16 | cafuego | bink: man fstab |
| 04:38.30 | cafuego | budluva: man fstab/mount |
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| 04:38.41 | myren | whats the lightweight mono media player? |
| 04:39.00 | cafuego | bink: You could have a quick look at the debian-security and fedora security sites |
| 04:39.31 | cafuego | bink: Do you know if FC installs webmin by default? |
| 04:39.37 | budluva | cafuego im just wondering because im getting permission denied on /home/budluva/.gnome when i try to start gnome, all when i open an xterm i get this funky error bash: /home/budluva/.bashrc: Permission denied |
| 04:39.51 | SG1 | u |
| 04:39.53 | SG1 | umm |
| 04:40.05 | SG1 | budluva: ls -l .bashrc |
| 04:40.06 | bink | I don't know... Like I said, I haven't bothered to pay attention to fc3/other distros. It's been silly neglegence I suppose. |
| 04:40.06 | cafuego | budluva: Your new system have you a different userid. You need to either change your UID or chown your homedir. |
| 04:40.09 | barnett | cafuego: i don't believe so.... i installed it not too long ago |
| 04:40.16 | barnett | budluva: do you start in ~ when you log in, or /? |
| 04:40.20 | budluva | if i've changed my fstab do i need to reboot for that to take effect? |
| 04:40.24 | barnett | budluva: if it's /, your permissions are allll wrong :-D |
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| 04:40.35 | barnett | budluva: umount/mount if it's not the root. otherwise, reboot. |
| 04:40.40 | cafuego | bink: Not really, there's not much point in paying too much attantion to inferior products. |
| 04:40.59 | cafuego | barnett: No, he's using his /home from a different Linux install. |
| 04:41.05 | SG1 | oh |
| 04:41.08 | simonrvn | re |
| 04:41.18 | SG1 | That makes sense.. yeah log in as root and chown -R the stuff |
| 04:41.22 | barnett | cafuego: oh! |
| 04:41.23 | budluva | my /home/budluva is owned by 500:500 |
| 04:41.26 | barnett | budluva: ah yes. |
| 04:41.31 | barnett | budluva: the UID/GID must be changed. |
| 04:41.35 | cafuego | budluva: Yes. But on debian you're 1001:1001 |
| 04:41.37 | simonrvn | mmmm organic raw mushrooms... |
| 04:41.44 | cafuego | budluva: ..or whatever... 1000 probably. |
| 04:41.45 | barnett | budluva: sorry for coming in late... yeah. chown -R it using root. |
| 04:41.45 | SG1 | budluva: chown -R username:groupname userdir |
| 04:41.56 | budluva | yeah, it was my old home from a fedora core 3 install |
| 04:42.06 | barnett | budluva: good move installing debian :-d |
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| 04:42.07 | cafuego | !popesmite simonrvn |
| 04:42.14 | budluva | barnett yes :P |
| 04:42.20 | SG1 | Popesmite!? |
| 04:42.21 | simonrvn | i'm going to write an apostasy howto |
| 04:42.22 | SG1 | :-D |
| 04:42.28 | barnett | lol sg1 |
| 04:42.41 | bink | cafuego: I guess I'll start looking into security and try to mount an argument there. |
| 04:42.47 | simonrvn | or, "how to formally quit the rcc" |
| 04:43.13 | cafuego | simonrvn: 1) Run around the local church, upturning all crosses. |
| 04:43.20 | cafuego | simonrvn: 2) Sacrifice your priest. |
| 04:43.40 | barnett | and cafuego's satanic side is revealed. |
| 04:43.50 | cafuego | That will probably be enough to get you excommunicated |
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| 04:43.59 | cafuego | which is odd, since god forgives all |
| 04:44.00 | barnett | or rather pagan with all the sacrificing lol |
| 04:44.05 | budluva | nice |
| 04:44.05 | barnett | well see cafuego |
| 04:44.08 | budluva | that worked |
| 04:44.08 | barnett | GOD forgives |
| 04:44.10 | barnett | the POPE does not. |
| 04:44.11 | budluva | thats for the help guys |
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| 04:44.12 | barnett | lol |
| 04:44.14 | simonrvn | 3) sex with the priest on the altar |
| 04:44.18 | axelx | can i close one terminal from another? |
| 04:44.19 | cafuego | barnett: typical Bavarian |
| 04:44.28 | barnett | simonrvn: oh no. the priest would LIKE that these days. |
| 04:44.38 | myren | popcon time! 8.4 G /usr drive is overflowing again |
| 04:44.40 | myren | wtf |
| 04:44.53 | simonrvn | the poin is to *quit*, not just "get fired" (i.e., excommunicated) |
| 04:44.56 | simonrvn | point* |
| 04:45.03 | SG1 | lol |
| 04:45.21 | barnett | simonrvn: just get in an IRC chat with the pope and reason with him |
| 04:45.24 | cthulfuego | simonrvn: sex with the priest AFTER sacrificing him? |
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| 04:45.35 | simonrvn | cthulfuego: oh, yeh, then 1a) |
| 04:45.46 | cthulfuego | And I thought *I* was evil ;-) |
| 04:45.53 | simonrvn | hehehe |
| 04:46.00 | furrywolf | heh |
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| 04:46.25 | cthulfuego | barnett: Yeh, we're talking about a FAQ, that's fine. |
| 04:46.26 | simonrvn | i'll outline it properly in this doc. it's simple, really. |
| 04:46.36 | simonrvn | yeh, sorry</ot> |
| 04:46.43 | Phated | Good lord, what -have- I walked in on. |
| 04:46.49 | SG1 | lol. |
| 04:46.50 | KinxofSepluv | Is ALSA OSS compatable in some way? |
| 04:46.51 | barnett | lol |
| 04:46.56 | SG1 | You dont want to know. |
| 04:47.00 | SG1 | KinxofSepluv: yes |
| 04:47.02 | Overand | i'm getting an 'input/output error' when i try to copy some files via samba |
| 04:47.02 | barnett | It involves large trouts. |
| 04:47.03 | RRT | i installed the kernel-image for k7 but when it boots it crashes and loops in a rebooting cycle. Seems to be at the loading of the superserver. Is this normal for this to happen and how do i go about fixing. |
| 04:47.04 | SG1 | KinxofSepluv: alsa-oss |
| 04:47.08 | simonrvn | KinxofSepluv: you can have alsa emulate oss |
| 04:47.13 | Overand | (from a windows box to my debian box) |
| 04:47.16 | furrywolf | I've always wanted to hide a lighter in my sleeve, and every time the door-to-door-religion-salesman come around, warn them "bad things tend to happen whenever I touch bibles...", let them give me a bible, then light it on fire in my hands without them seeing. "Dangit, that always happens whenever I touch bibles... do you have any idea why"... |
| 04:47.17 | Phated | Understandably. It doesn't make me lose all ability to read. |
| 04:47.19 | barnett | rrt: what kernel ver |
| 04:47.26 | RRT | 2.6 |
| 04:47.28 | axelx | please help! |
| 04:47.28 | barnett | rrt: i use the k7 image as well but i believe it's...2.6.5? |
| 04:47.36 | billatq | Anybody see anything obviously wrong with this amixer output: http://anatifero.us/amixer-output ? |
| 04:47.39 | KinxofSepluv | K thanks. |
| 04:47.43 | simonrvn | furrywolf: hehehe |
| 04:47.51 | barnett | rrt: like, 2.6.x, what is x |
| 04:48.04 | barnett | rrt: oh ha i'm 2.6.8 now |
| 04:48.08 | barnett | yikkes |
| 04:48.12 | furrywolf | I can just see them running down the street screaming that the devil is after them. :P |
| 04:48.14 | barnett | ok guys |
| 04:48.16 | barnett | lol |
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| 04:48.31 | simonrvn | hehehe |
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| 04:48.59 | SG1 | axelx: lol do you need help or are you complaining about the OTness? |
| 04:49.02 | RRT | 2.6.8-2 |
| 04:49.03 | da_bon_bon | hey, i have a december 2004 sarge dvd. would it be sane to update it to sid on a 2kbps connection ? |
| 04:49.07 | furrywolf | however, now I need linux help... WHY THE HELL CAN'T I MAKE DVDS WORK?! gah! I've been working on this for two weeks or so! |
| 04:49.18 | SG1 | da_bon_bon: no. |
| 04:49.22 | SG1 | da_bon_bon: not at all. |
| 04:49.27 | axelx | SG1 i need to close one terminal window from another |
| 04:49.27 | simonrvn | furrywolf: have other people gotten that drive to work? |
| 04:49.28 | barnett | rrt: mmhmm. well, hmm. lol |
| 04:49.32 | da_bon_bon | SG1: why not ? is it sid, or is it my net ? |
| 04:49.34 | cthulfuego | da_bon_bon: Saner than fetching a new ISO and burning that instead, THEn updating. |
| 04:49.40 | SG1 | da_bon_bon: net... 2kbps? |
| 04:49.40 | furrywolf | simon: how should I know? :) |
| 04:49.49 | barnett | rrt: specific error msg's ? |
| 04:49.53 | cthulfuego | axelx: kill the shell that runs in it. |
| 04:49.54 | simonrvn | dunno, googling maybe? |
| 04:49.59 | mwilson | furrywolf: Define "make dvd's work". |
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| 04:50.01 | furrywolf | I can burn them, but not read them. |
| 04:50.13 | SG1 | axelx: kill the terminal proccess |
| 04:50.16 | da_bon_bon | SG1: and, best part is , it is cable net... wit the cable modem and stuff :( |
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| 04:50.22 | SG1 | axelx: or the bath process |
| 04:50.26 | mwilson | Can you read commercial discs? |
| 04:50.27 | RRT | when i installed my system it installed the 2.6.8-2-386 kernel and it works fine but i have the amd athlon XP processor and read it would be better with the k7 kernel. |
| 04:50.34 | SG1 | da_bon_bon: you sure its not 200kbps? |
| 04:50.36 | barnett | rrt: yes it is |
| 04:50.41 | axelx | SG1 the bash, u mean_ |
| 04:50.44 | SG1 | da_bon_bon: or 2mbps? |
| 04:50.46 | cthulfuego | RRT: kernel-image-2.6.8-2-k7 |
| 04:50.46 | barnett | rrt: what's the specific error msg when you try to boot from the k7 one |
| 04:50.53 | billatq | Any other suggestions for alsa, perchance? |
| 04:51.00 | barnett | cthulfuego: his k7 image crashes loading the superserver i think he said |
| 04:51.01 | da_bon_bon | SG1: 2kb per second |
| 04:51.07 | SG1 | da_bon_bon: icky. |
| 04:51.14 | cthulfuego | as in inetd? |
| 04:51.17 | RRT | no error it just quits the bootup and computer restarts again in a loop. |
| 04:51.17 | barnett | da_bon_bon: 375 KB/sec. :-d |
| 04:51.19 | SG1 | da_bon_bon: well you can.. but It will take forever. |
| 04:51.23 | barnett | cthulfuego: i believe so |
| 04:51.24 | da_bon_bon | SG1: faster plans are avaialable, they cost more $$$ , that i done have :) |
| 04:51.27 | barnett | cthulfuego: or not. |
| 04:51.30 | furrywolf | trying to read a cd, under 2.6.8.1, oopsed the machine, under 2.6.11.7, worked, but at about 0.01x while using 100% cpu and bogging down all i/o, under 2.6.12-rc3, gives interrupt handler errors, while using 100% cpu, and doesn't read anything. |
| 04:51.34 | furrywolf | s/cd/dvd |
| 04:51.35 | SG1 | barnett: 500 here. |
| 04:51.36 | barnett | rrt: umm...quitting the bootup. |
| 04:51.37 | da_bon_bon | SG1: hmm... will it be >200 mb ? |
| 04:51.42 | axelx | SG1 the Bash or mc_ |
| 04:51.43 | barnett | rrt: what is the exact error message |
| 04:51.47 | barnett | rrt: that doesn't help me much |
| 04:51.48 | axelx | axelx ? |
| 04:51.51 | RRT | where do i learn that? |
| 04:51.52 | barnett | rrt: IS it loading inetd? |
| 04:51.55 | SG1 | axelx: bash or screen or the xterm |
| 04:51.58 | barnett | rrt: just read the terminal |
| 04:52.06 | simonrvn | furrywolf: wtf? you trying to burn, or? |
| 04:52.07 | SG1 | axelx: what exactly are youa fter? |
| 04:52.15 | cthulfuego | RRT: Does it display any errors before restarting? |
| 04:52.16 | RRT | no inetd is where it seems to be crashing. it never completes the bootup |
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| 04:52.27 | SG1 | da_bon_bon: Yes, probably depends on what you have installed. |
| 04:52.31 | barnett | rrt: but there must be a reason. |
| 04:52.33 | barnett | rrt: does it panic? |
| 04:52.34 | RRT | no just goes back to bios screen |
| 04:52.38 | furrywolf | simon: burning works fine. or, at least, it does from all visible signs, and under 2.6.11.7, I could read what I burned, just at about 1mb/minute... |
| 04:52.44 | cthulfuego | RRT: Boot the older kernel, install memtest86+, run that. |
| 04:52.54 | furrywolf | burns at 8x with no errors using 3% cpu. |
| 04:52.55 | axelx | SG1 bash |
| 04:53.00 | RRT | <PROTECTED> |
| 04:53.09 | barnett | cthulfuego: his 386 kernel works... |
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| 04:53.11 | SG1 | axelx: so you want to know how to kill a bash proccess? |
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| 04:53.12 | da_bon_bon | SG1: hmm.. then forget it :( |
| 04:53.25 | axelx | SG1 i supose i know. |
| 04:53.25 | da_bon_bon | man, java debian is such a big issue ! :( |
| 04:53.30 | SG1 | axelx: kill -9 <pid of bash> |
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| 04:53.32 | cthulfuego | barnett: yeh. The k7 one 8should* work fine too on an athlonxp. |
| 04:53.36 | SG1 | axelx: and find that with ps aux |
| 04:53.40 | SG1 | axelx: and grep |
| 04:53.41 | maher | ok - i need some remedial X instruction |
| 04:53.43 | barnett | da_bon_bon: eh? i just get the jdk from sun and put it in /usr/java |
| 04:53.48 | SG1 | axelx: ie ps auxwww | grep bash |
| 04:53.56 | cthulfuego | 2.6.8-2-k7 works fine here, not used -2 yet |
| 04:53.56 | barnett | cthulfuego: lol, works fine for me |
| 04:54.00 | axelx | SG1 it worked. thanx alot! |
| 04:54.01 | maher | when i highlight some text in my xterm - where is it stored |
| 04:54.05 | cthulfuego | eh 2.6.8-1-k7 is OK here |
| 04:54.07 | da_bon_bon | barnett: why not use makepgh-j2se ? |
| 04:54.11 | da_bon_bon | *pkg |
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| 04:54.25 | barnett | da_bon_bon: because java contains itself in one directory anyway...why bother? |
| 04:54.35 | SG1 | da_bon_bon: where are you that Cable is so silly? |
| 04:54.37 | cthulfuego | barnett: yes, so i wonder if the -k7 kernel somehow catches a broken piece of ram maybe... memtest will pick up on that. |
| 04:55.06 | barnett | cthulfuego: true, true. i remember a win2k box was having random wacky startup issues and memtest86 revealed some bad ram... |
| 04:55.21 | SG1 | da_bon_bon: ah India? |
| 04:55.22 | cthulfuego | mumbai as fara s I can tell |
| 04:55.23 | furrywolf | to make sure it's not an ide controller issue, I've tried it on two different controllers (the motherboard default ata/66 one and the ata/100 raid controller) and a couple of ide cables... and hard drives on those controllers work fine, so I don't think it's an ide issue. |
| 04:55.25 | da_bon_bon | SG1: india |
| 04:55.26 | barnett | i have to tell you all about the best boot CD that every sysadmin needs to have if you don't have it already. h/o i'll get a link |
| 04:55.30 | da_bon_bon | SG1: how did u know ? |
| 04:55.31 | debyan | w3m > lynx/links now? |
| 04:55.37 | da_bon_bon | SG1: ping, or traceroutex ? |
| 04:55.39 | SG1 | cthulfuego: same time :-D |
| 04:55.41 | myren | oh man, who the fuck set readahead to 256 |
| 04:55.45 | myren | *slap* |
| 04:55.49 | cthulfuego | da_bon_bon: 'whois 203.212.221.132' gives info on your ISP. |
| 04:55.53 | myren | sry, i keep forgetting its not afterhours world round |
| 04:55.59 | barnett | http://www.ultimatebootcd.com/ <-- contains all the nice little utils you love to use. |
| 04:55.59 | axelx | SG1 how do i know, which process is listening to a port? |
| 04:56.01 | SG1 | da_bon_bon: HostIP.info, but really a nice konfabulator plugin on my desktop (macosx) |
| 04:56.02 | Kerr | yar. |
| 04:56.10 | furrywolf | axle: netstat -a |
| 04:56.14 | furrywolf | -ap |
| 04:56.24 | SG1 | axelx: what furrywolf said |
| 04:56.32 | furrywolf | no, just -a. no p. |
| 04:56.34 | da_bon_bon | SG1: konfabulator ? whats that ? and how is osx in to the picture ? |
| 04:56.41 | SG1 | axelx: man netstat if you want more fun |
| 04:56.44 | cthulfuego | Kerr: That's a VERY good idea. |
| 04:57.02 | cthulfuego | oh sorry |
| 04:57.10 | furrywolf | actually, use -p. you do need the p. :P |
| 04:57.13 | Kerr | lol |
| 04:57.15 | SG1 | da_bon_bon: its not really... I have a nice thing that float on my desktop that pulls IP info from hostip.info |
| 04:57.19 | SG1 | da_bon_bon: :-D |
| 04:57.28 | axelx | SG1 i can see which ports are listened, but i don't see the PIS |
| 04:57.30 | barnett | sg1: lol, you and your konfab. |
| 04:57.31 | axelx | *PID |
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| 04:57.53 | SG1 | axelx: did you do -ap |
| 04:58.10 | Kerr | cthulfuego: remember; it's not real coffee, unless it's unholy blackness actualy -absorbs- light. |
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| 04:58.21 | da_bon_bon | SG1: i cant fu** hostip.info by putting in my own ip, modifying it to think i am in albania, belgium :P |
| 04:58.26 | da_bon_bon | or any otehr place |
| 04:58.31 | axelx | SG1 thats better;) |
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| 04:58.42 | pder | ANY DEBAIN USER USE THE SOUNDZ? |
| 04:58.43 | axelx | SG1 thank You |
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| 04:58.47 | barnett | pder: huh? |
| 04:58.49 | maher | how do i get the primary X buffer into the clipboard? |
| 04:58.59 | cthulfuego | pder: CAN YOU SPEAK UP, I AM DEAF! |
| 04:59.02 | pder | barnett: do you have sound working in debian? |
| 04:59.03 | da_bon_bon | pder: no idea, but no debian user uses caps :P |
| 04:59.08 | barnett | pder: yes, it's very easy. |
| 04:59.22 | pder | barnett: me too |
| 04:59.23 | barnett | pder: i installed this nifty stuff called ALSA from a nifty thing called apt and it works perfectly. |
| 04:59.26 | da_bon_bon | pder: the major problem is always oss vs. alsa conflict |
| 04:59.30 | da_bon_bon | pder: resolve that |
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| 04:59.37 | SG1 | da_bon_bon: lol. |
| 04:59.37 | barnett | pder: alsa oss compat... |
| 04:59.51 | barnett | pder: unless da_bon_bon is just being funny :-/ lol |
| 04:59.56 | axelx | SG1 i killed it. it deserved! |
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| 05:00.02 | SG1 | furrywolf: elaborate...playing a dvd or access the drive? |
| 05:00.08 | SG1 | axelx: lol. |
| 05:00.11 | furrywolf | sg1: accessing the drive. |
| 05:00.13 | cthulfuego | dpkg: literal cmd: annoy (.*?) |
| 05:00.16 | barnett | furrywolf: you can't mount it or something? |
| 05:00.27 | SG1 | furrywolf: aka you want to mount a iso9660 off it? |
| 05:00.36 | furrywolf | mounts, but trying to read any files from it does different things on different kernels, none of which would be considered working. |
| 05:00.45 | barnett | furrywolf: like what does it do |
| 05:00.47 | da_bon_bon | barnett: when i installed debian for the first time, i found that both alsa and oss mdoules were loading, not the alsa oss compatibility.. |
| 05:00.54 | barnett | da_bon_bon: lol |
| 05:01.05 | SG1 | da_bon_bon: lol when was this? |
| 05:01.28 | furrywolf | .8.1 oopsed, .11.7 read at about 1mb/MINUTE while using 100% cpu and bogging down the machine, .12-rc3 gives interrupt handler errors and doesn't read anything. |
| 05:01.30 | da_bon_bon | SG1: konfabulator is for linux ? i ask u, becoz on my connection, it takes a hell lot of time to load |
| 05:01.39 | SG1 | da_bon_bon: no |
| 05:01.42 | barnett | da_bon_bon: i must say, usually i install debian and there aren't any sound packages installed yet... 2.6 has it all built-in nowadays anyway, makes things much easier. |
| 05:01.45 | SG1 | da_bon_bon: Mac+Windows. |
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| 05:02.04 | SG1 | furrywolf: odd |
| 05:02.06 | furrywolf | hdf: ide_intr: huh? expected NULL handler on exit |
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| 05:02.13 | da_bon_bon | barnett, SG1: when i used the dvd i just told u about - december 2004 distributed by pcquest |
| 05:02.15 | SG1 | furrywolf: is this a dual boot system? |
| 05:02.30 | furrywolf | sg1: nope. why would I have anything other than debian? :P |
| 05:02.43 | SG1 | furrywolf: well some people keep winblows around. |
| 05:02.49 | barnett | furrywolf: ha, ha, ha. |
| 05:02.50 | SG1 | furrywolf: try it off a live-cd |
| 05:02.55 | da_bon_bon | SG1: so u have both osx and linux machines ? |
| 05:02.56 | barnett | furrywolf: what model is your drive |
| 05:03.07 | SG1 | furrywolf: if that doesnt work... check the phsyical drive |
| 05:03.13 | SG1 | furrywolf: if you havent doent that |
| 05:03.15 | barnett | furrywolf: a few, especially sony burners, have notorious problems |
| 05:03.16 | furrywolf | I've tried it on both the ata/66 and raid ata/100 controller, with absolutely no changes, so I don't think it's related to the ide controller. (and both work fine for hard drives and my cd-rw drive) |
| 05:03.17 | SG1 | da_bon_bon: yeah |
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| 05:03.23 | da_bon_bon | SG1: ohok |
| 05:03.33 | SG1 | da_bon_bon: One mac laptop, bunches of x86 linux boxes. |
| 05:03.38 | barnett | budluva's back again! lol |
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| 05:03.46 | furrywolf | sg1: don't have any way to check the drive. oopsing, using 100% cpu, and giving interrupt handler errors don't sound like drive problems though... |
| 05:03.47 | barnett | got your permissions all fixed up? |
| 05:03.53 | Guerin | unlikely |
| 05:03.58 | SG1 | furrywolf: it might be. |
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| 05:04.06 | budluva | yeah |
| 05:04.09 | SG1 | furrywolf: you dont have any live-cd's? |
| 05:04.11 | barnett | furrywolf: perhaps not HARDWARE, but the driver... |
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| 05:04.13 | budluva | everythings workin now for me |
| 05:04.17 | barnett | budluva: awesome. |
| 05:04.18 | da_bon_bon | SG1: oh, that just GREAT! i have got one piii 550mhz box, that i am not proud of :( |
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| 05:04.25 | budluva | barnett, you ever heard of xgamma? |
| 05:04.30 | furrywolf | I don't have any factory-made dvds to use as a test, and I don't have any other dvd drives to read the ones it burned. |
| 05:04.39 | barnett | mwilson: yay! :-D just remember...one week...:-D |
| 05:04.39 | b0xen | Hey, how often would you guys say the ISOs for sarge are updated? Once per week? |
| 05:04.40 | SG1 | da_bon_bon: hey!! those p3's are GOOD proccesors. |
| 05:04.47 | barnett | budluva: no, can't say as i have |
| 05:04.51 | SG1 | da_bon_bon: dont underestimate the P3! |
| 05:04.53 | budluva | ahh |
| 05:04.54 | Guerin | the isos for sarge are updated every now and again |
| 05:04.55 | furrywolf | da_bon_bon: my dual p3-866 works quite well... |
| 05:05.00 | da_bon_bon | SG1: hey, those p4 are better, and faste |
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| 05:05.04 | SG1 | mwilson: :-D |
| 05:05.06 | da_bon_bon | furrywolf: that dual, man |
| 05:05.06 | Guerin | the mirrors for sarge are updated daily at 1952 UTC |
| 05:05.06 | b0xen | Guerin: Which means, no timeframe? |
| 05:05.11 | furrywolf | sg1: don't have any live cds. why would I have any? heh. |
| 05:05.12 | barnett | budluva: oh, haha. guess i never had to alter the gamma in X. :-D |
| 05:05.26 | SG1 | furrywolf: to test stuff |
| 05:05.29 | Guerin | b0xen: since they're not official, I expect they're updated on a 'when someone can be arsed' timeframe |
| 05:05.31 | barnett | furrywolf: knoppix is VERY useful |
| 05:05.33 | SG1 | furrywolf: and use linux at your friends |
| 05:05.35 | SG1 | furrywolf: :-D |
| 05:05.41 | b0xen | mm |
| 05:05.42 | da_bon_bon | SG1: how can i not underestimate the p3 ,when stuff like amd64 is out ? |
| 05:05.42 | SG1 | HELIX. |
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| 05:05.48 | debyan | how can i tell if i have libc6 |
| 05:05.52 | furrywolf | I have a business-card size rescue cd somewhere, but that doesn't have drivers for much of anything. |
| 05:05.57 | SG1 | da_bon_bon: p3s are still useful and workable. |
| 05:06.00 | barnett | sg1: if yuo haven't checked out the UBCD you need to |
| 05:06.02 | Guerin | debyan: if you don't, nothing will work. |
| 05:06.03 | budluva | well im running deb on an old crappy monitor its so dark, so i have to set gamma via xgamma and its a pain everytime loading x to type xgamma -display :0 -gamma 2.0, how can i make that line run at startup? |
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| 05:06.12 | SG1 | barnett: have you looked at helix? |
| 05:06.14 | barnett | .xinitrc? |
| 05:06.17 | da_bon_bon | SG1: hmm.. guess so. dont think i have any option tho :D |
| 05:06.25 | barnett | sg1: isn't helix the media player? :-D |
| 05:06.27 | Guerin | budluva: read /etc/init.d/skeleton and README |
| 05:06.33 | SG1 | da_bon_bon: amd64 is better... duh.. but.. p3s aren't as bad as it gets |
| 05:06.35 | SG1 | :-D |
| 05:06.36 | furrywolf | hrmm. I might have a factory made dvd after all... I think in a pile of crap I got at a garage sale was a Gladiator dvd. |
| 05:06.42 | furrywolf | brb, checking closet. |
| 05:06.44 | SG1 | furrywolf: lol |
| 05:06.45 | Guerin | p3s are perfectly decent desktop machines |
| 05:06.52 | barnett | yes they are |
| 05:06.55 | Guerin | my best box is one |
| 05:07.01 | barnett | except when you have cheap $60 athlons available for sale |
| 05:07.02 | da_bon_bon | ok |
| 05:07.04 | Tsugaru | a new helix /andreal player came out pretty recently. |
| 05:07.14 | da_bon_bon | anyway, cya ppl later, gotta go studynow :D |
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| 05:07.40 | pder | woody is outdated |
| 05:07.41 | Guerin | it serves X sessions, routes, runs a ftpd and a httpd, routes packets, plays music and video... |
| 05:07.41 | SG1 | da_bon_bon: notice SG2 |
| 05:07.45 | da_bon_bon | hey, whats this hard on with the nick SGX ? |
| 05:07.47 | SG2 | Hostname: weather - OS: Linux 2.4.26-weather/i586 - CPU: Pentium 75 - 200 (132.956 MHz) - Processes: 48 - Uptime: 162d 13h 43m - Load Average: 0.06 - Memory Usage: 36.54MB/122.62MB (29.79%) - Disk Usage: 0.52GB/9.63GB (5.37%) |
| 05:07.49 | Guerin | pder: depends what you want it for. |
| 05:07.50 | barnett | sg1: omg, it's jason_, the gerret glaser!! :-P |
| 05:07.52 | da_bon_bon | SG1: right, what is it ? |
| 05:07.56 | SG1 | :-D |
| 05:08.00 | SG1 | I dont think so. |
| 05:08.04 | barnett | sg1: lol |
| 05:08.06 | pder | Guerin its outdated for all uses |
| 05:08.07 | da_bon_bon | SG2: oh, its u ?! |
| 05:08.10 | SG1 | da_bon_bon: look about. |
| 05:08.14 | alpha255 | $60 athons? |
| 05:08.18 | SG1 | above* |
| 05:08.18 | alpha255 | athlons? |
| 05:08.21 | SG1 | alpha255: yes. |
| 05:08.23 | budluva | Guerin, wheres the README??? there's nothin in /etc/skel |
| 05:08.26 | alpha255 | where? |
| 05:08.27 | Guerin | pder: if it does all you need it to, it's perfectly adequate. |
| 05:08.32 | Guerin | budluva: in /etc/init.d |
| 05:08.36 | barnett | alpha255: athlon xp 2200+ and 2000+ are dirt cheap now |
| 05:08.39 | barnett | alpha255: great for server boxes |
| 05:08.40 | alpha255 | ahh |
| 05:08.46 | alpha255 | k |
| 05:08.51 | da_bon_bon | SG1: uptime is good, becoz theres no load at all ! |
| 05:09.04 | SG1 | da_bon_bon: :-D |
| 05:09.06 | budluva | Guerin, /etc/init.d/skeleton is there, but no README |
| 05:09.11 | SG1 | da_bon_bon: look at the speed! |
| 05:09.17 | barnett | da_bon_bon: you should have seen his home server when i uberforkbombed it. |
| 05:09.18 | Guerin | hrm, there should be a readme in there |
| 05:09.25 | SG1 | da_bon_bon: a whole 132mhz. |
| 05:09.30 | barnett | da_bon_bon: never quite came up from that. my prior fork bomb made it what... 199.26 load? |
| 05:09.31 | SG1 | barnett: lol. |
| 05:09.31 | Tsugaru | muahaha... that forkbomb was tons of fun :) |
| 05:09.45 | SG1 | barnett: it recovered from the 199.26 load. |
| 05:09.49 | debyan | i dont see python "numeric" in apt-cache (i have sarge and python2.3) anyone know what else it might be called. its supposed to be python2.3-numeric |
| 05:09.50 | da_bon_bon | SG1: try running X on it |
| 05:09.50 | barnett | sg1: that it did. |
| 05:09.54 | Tsugaru | after...how long? |
| 05:09.56 | barnett | sg1: but not from my uberforkbomb. |
| 05:10.02 | da_bon_bon | barnett: why >? was it great ? secure ? |
| 05:10.02 | SG1 | barnett: the one you made to spawn anew when it was killed.. |
| 05:10.04 | furrywolf | gah! I don't have UDF support, and the dvd is udf. guess I need to compile udf in... |
| 05:10.06 | Guerin | ok, back to the salt mines |
| 05:10.10 | Guerin | mmm, salty |
| 05:10.12 | barnett | da_bon_bon: basically the uber bomb |
| 05:10.12 | Tsugaru | yup. it definitely was refusing ssh connections. |
| 05:10.16 | SG1 | da_bon_bon: it respwawned. |
| 05:10.21 | barnett | da_bon_bon: would make parents that had one child |
| 05:10.24 | barnett | da_bon_bon: and when the parent died |
| 05:10.26 | SG1 | Tsugaru: it recovered on its own |
| 05:10.35 | barnett | da_bon_bon: it started cascading new trees of processes all over agian |
| 05:10.39 | da_bon_bon | SG1: great man |
| 05:10.40 | alpha255 | is there an equivalent command in debian to the service command in redhat? |
| 05:10.41 | SG1 | Tsugaru: the uberone.. I had to fix at TTY1 |
| 05:10.46 | da_bon_bon | SG1: u use that as a server ? |
| 05:10.46 | barnett | da_bon_bon: call it, a game of cat and mouse between the kernel and the C program. :-P |
| 05:10.58 | SG1 | da_bon_bon: its not my main server by any stretch |
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| 05:11.11 | SG1 | da_bon_bon: thats actually my schools weather datalogger |
| 05:11.13 | da_bon_bon | barnett: but how did u bomb it ? |
| 05:11.15 | SG1 | da_bon_bon: I manage it. |
| 05:11.25 | barnett | da_bon_bon: i had regular access. ran it from /tmp. :-D |
| 05:11.29 | SG1 | da_bon_bon: he logged in and ran an evil C program? |
| 05:11.33 | SG1 | lol |
| 05:11.36 | da_bon_bon | SG1: u r a what, school management person, principal or student ? |
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| 05:11.49 | da_bon_bon | barnett: which c program ? |
| 05:11.49 | barnett | sg1: leeee!! |
| 05:11.52 | SG1 | da_bon_bon: student. |
| 05:11.54 | SG1 | barnett: ? |
| 05:11.56 | barnett | sg1: you made my shell go bye bye! |
| 05:11.59 | SG1 | barnett: ?? |
| 05:12.00 | furrywolf | dabonbon: student. he doesn't sound like an employee of anything. :P |
| 05:12.01 | barnett | sg1: how dare you /bin/false me |
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| 05:12.12 | Tecky | Anyone here use slackware ? |
| 05:12.13 | SG1 | barnett: Oh. lol hey your fork bombed me. |
| 05:12.21 | SG1 | Tecky: #debian. lol. |
| 05:12.25 | barnett | sg1: well you forkbombed me back |
| 05:12.27 | barnett | sg1: lol |
| 05:12.34 | SG1 | barnett: I WANST THERE TO REBOOT IT. |
| 05:12.35 | da_bon_bon | barnett: u dont use tab completion ? |
| 05:12.37 | SG1 | barnett: :-P |
| 05:12.42 | KerPlunk | I have debian/sarge....but when I boot off my hdd...my main / partition gets mounted read only for some reason...so I can't do shit..and nothing works right |
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| 05:12.49 | SG1 | da_bon_bon: he types fast. |
| 05:12.50 | barnett | da_bon_bon: i don't? O.o who said that |
| 05:12.50 | KerPlunk | It was working for like 5 months |
| 05:12.55 | barnett | da_bon_bon: i do type fast |
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| 05:13.04 | barnett | da_bon_bon: i think mavis put it at around 80-90 WPM |
| 05:13.04 | KerPlunk | And I just rebooted yesterday...and not my main / gets mounted read only...no idea why. |
| 05:13.04 | da_bon_bon | SG1: ok |
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| 05:13.18 | da_bon_bon | barnett: coz u say sg1 and not SG1 as a nick completion would |
| 05:13.26 | SG1 | KerPlunk: it needs to be fsck'd probably. |
| 05:13.28 | barnett | da_bon_bon: right. |
| 05:13.41 | SG1 | KerPlunk: log in as root and remount -o remount,rw / |
| 05:13.45 | barnett | sg1: there we go. no mroe havoc from you on my server, lee :-P |
| 05:13.56 | SG1 | barnett: I wasnt planning to. |
| 05:14.00 | SG1 | barnett: I havent |
| 05:14.05 | barnett | sg1: call it... a pre-emptive strike. |
| 05:14.06 | mrgenixus | when I was using gentoo I could just 'emerge enemy-territory' is there a way to do this under debian? |
| 05:14.09 | SG1 | barnett: since mine came back up |
| 05:14.21 | SG1 | mrgenixus: apt-get install <package> |
| 05:14.29 | SG1 | mrgenixus: not sure if theres an ET pacakge. |
| 05:14.35 | mrgenixus | SG1: yeah, exactly |
| 05:14.39 | barnett | mrgenixus: you really need to google about debian apt |
| 05:14.42 | furrywolf | reading the factory-made dvd completely kills the box until about 10 seconds after I ctrl-c the copy. 100% cpu usage, 1 second delay between moving the mouse and the cursor updating, and "Warning communications lost with UPS APC1250" even the ups daemon stops talking to the ups... |
| 05:14.43 | mrgenixus | I want the good games packages? |
| 05:14.48 | barnett | mrgenixus: much better than portage |
| 05:14.50 | debyan | whats xwindow called 'apt-get install x-window-system' isnt workin in sarge for me |
| 05:14.50 | SG1 | mrgenixus: apt-cache search enemy territory |
| 05:14.51 | mrgenixus | barnett: I undrstand about apt/ |
| 05:14.56 | barnett | mrgenixus: try aptitude if yuo want to browse? |
| 05:14.57 | mrgenixus | I want the packages |
| 05:15.08 | mrgenixus | barnett: I understanf |
| 05:15.09 | da_bon_bon | anyway, i really need to run. cya all later |
| 05:15.14 | barnett | mrgenixus: .... |
| 05:15.23 | furrywolf | so I'd say I can't read factory dvds either. |
| 05:15.27 | mrgenixus | I know that I currently don't have access to the packages for ET, or tohers |
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| 05:15.40 | mrgenixus | is there a mirror or resource type that has them |
| 05:15.42 | barnett | mrgenixus: not sure if there's an ET package in apt |
| 05:15.46 | mrgenixus | in the same way that gentoo does |
| 05:15.46 | SG1 | mrgenixus: heh go google for them. |
| 05:15.52 | mrgenixus | ok. |
| 05:16.00 | SG1 | furrywolf: odd |
| 05:16.01 | KerPlunk | SG1 remount -o remount,rw /? |
| 05:16.10 | SG1 | KerPlunk: mount -o remount,rw / |
| 05:16.14 | KerPlunk | / is /dev/hda6 |
| 05:16.19 | SG1 | doesnt matter |
| 05:16.20 | barnett | sg1: i am googling and it seems no one has made any yet |
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| 05:16.23 | KerPlunk | k |
| 05:16.27 | SG1 | barnett: really odd. |
| 05:16.28 | KerPlunk | I'll brb then |
| 05:16.31 | rrt | barnett: k7 bootup loads inetd and crashes when it tries to load pcmcia |
| 05:16.34 | SG1 | barnett: could have sworn I saw some. |
| 05:16.39 | barnett | rrt: oh pcmcia lol |
| 05:16.47 | rrt | oh lol yea |
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| 05:16.57 | SG1 | rrt: pcmcia.. is this a laptop? |
| 05:17.00 | rrt | yes |
| 05:17.03 | furrywolf | sg1: so now that I can't read factory dvds either, any suggestions? :) |
| 05:17.13 | barnett | rrt: hmm it doesn't like your pcmcia bus when you use the k7 kernel. :-P |
| 05:17.20 | barnett | rrt: is this is a dell laptop, perchance? |
| 05:17.30 | SG1 | furrywolf: yeah check the connections. |
| 05:17.31 | rrt | compaq presario 900 |
| 05:17.37 | SG1 | furrywolf: and get a livecd |
| 05:17.37 | barnett | rrt: ah excellent. |
| 05:17.46 | barnett | rrt: at least it's not crappy chinese hardware like dell uses. |
| 05:17.53 | rrt | hehe |
| 05:18.00 | furrywolf | sg1: I've checked the connections. I've tried two different IDE cables connecting to two different IDE controllers, with absolutely no change. |
| 05:18.03 | SG1 | rrt: does the 686 kernel work? |
| 05:18.08 | SG1 | furrywolf: odd. |
| 05:18.12 | rrt | don't know. |
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| 05:18.18 | SG1 | furrywolf: whats the manufactorer on the DVD drive? |
| 05:18.19 | rrt | could sure try it. |
| 05:18.36 | barnett | rrt: getting lots of things on google about people having pcmcia problems with your laptop. |
| 05:18.46 | rrt | bummer |
| 05:18.56 | SG1 | rrt: do you use PCMCIA? |
| 05:19.04 | rrt | am right now wireless |
| 05:19.13 | SG1 | rrt: :( |
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| 05:19.21 | SG1 | rrt: what kernel are you on now? |
| 05:19.22 | barnett | rrt: http://www.wsu.edu/~ice124/ , it's for red hat, adapt for debian easily enough :-P |
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| 05:19.32 | rrt | in an rv park, so if i disappear it's the crappy connection i'm getting here |
| 05:19.38 | barnett | rrt: in it, anaconda for redhat freezes during pcmcia detection, sounds familiar |
| 05:19.41 | furrywolf | sg1: the box it came in says it's an iomagic idvd16dd, the drive itself says it's a magicspin dvdrw 1016im |
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| 05:19.56 | barnett | furrywolf: huh?! did your store rip you off? :-P |
| 05:20.02 | SG1 | furrywolf: what an odd drive. |
| 05:20.18 | budluva | anyone know what module i'd used for intel ac97 audio? |
| 05:20.18 | furrywolf | barnett: iomagic doesn't make anything. they buy what they can get dirt cheap and stick it in a box with their name on it. |
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| 05:20.24 | SG1 | furrywolf: it should just work TM |
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| 05:20.43 | furrywolf | sg1: it just doesn't (TM). :P |
| 05:20.43 | SG1 | furrywolf: PM me the output of lsmod |
| 05:20.45 | barnett | furrywolf: oh, i didn't know that :-P |
| 05:20.47 | SG1 | furrywolf: :-D |
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| 05:20.48 | westward | hi,all. How to set xdm background pic? |
| 05:20.57 | barnett | furrywolf: haha ah well |
| 05:21.14 | SG1 | westward: Not sure there.. GDM/KDM==easy |
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| 05:21.21 | barnett | ok i really need to go study and stuff |
| 05:21.23 | MyNameIsChris | Hi, could someone please instruct on how to basically use make-kpkg, I have configured my kernel and am in the toplevel of the source directory |
| 05:21.24 | barnett | l8r y'alls |
| 05:21.28 | SG1 | barnett: cya. |
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| 05:21.33 | paster | "furrywolf" at 68.105.23.171 pasted "Output of lsmod for SG1" (48 lines) at http://channels.debian.net/paste/41 |
| 05:21.34 | SG1 | MyNameIsChris: syre |
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| 05:21.44 | furrywolf | sg1: it's too big to PM. sent it to the paster |
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| 05:22.04 | Raa | anyone able to help with webalizer? |
| 05:22.16 | furrywolf | would take 30 seconds to send without triggering the server flood protection... |
| 05:22.29 | SG1 | MyNameIsChris: make-kpkg --revision 1 --append-to-version -mykernel kernel_image modules_image |
| 05:22.40 | SG1 | MyNameIsChris: then cd ../ |
| 05:22.46 | SG1 | MyNameIsChris: dpkg -i *.deb |
| 05:22.57 | SG1 | MyNameIsChris: modules_image is for stuff in /usr/src/modules |
| 05:23.01 | SG1 | MyNameIsChris: such as Nvidia stuffs |
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| 05:23.09 | SG1 | furrywolf: hm |
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| 05:23.19 | SG1 | furrywolf: not sure how paster works these days |
| 05:23.24 | rrt | going to give 686 kernel image a shot. |
| 05:23.26 | SG1 | furrywolf: lets used #flood? |
| 05:23.43 | MyNameIsChris | SG1, So if I have configured nothing as module do I need modules_image? |
| 05:23.52 | MyNameIsChris | SG1, And thanks |
| 05:23.58 | praha1 | hi i tried cout << numeric_limits<char>::max() << endl; it outputs an heart instead of a num :) is there a known bug in g++ ? |
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| 05:24.07 | furrywolf | sg1: go to http://channels.debian.net/paste/41 |
| 05:24.13 | furrywolf | that's how the paster works. :P |
| 05:24.15 | SG1 | MyNameIsChris: Modules in the kernel tree are in kernel_image... |
| 05:24.26 | SG1 | MyNameIsChris: modules in /usr/src/modules/ |
| 05:24.32 | SG1 | MyNameIsChris: are in modules_image |
| 05:24.34 | SG1 | furrywolf: ok |
| 05:25.09 | MyNameIsChris | SG1, So kernel_image is the argument not just a variable you assigned representing the location of the kernel image? |
| 05:25.29 | Raa | any suggestions with webalizer anybody? |
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| 05:25.38 | SG1 | furrywolf: nothing really odd |
| 05:25.47 | SG1 | furrywolf: not sure on your dvd drive |
| 05:26.02 | SG1 | furrywolf: may want to ask around some kernel chat |
| 05:26.06 | furrywolf | sg1: shouldn't be anything odd... I don't use scsi emulation or anything like that, since it now has big warnings not to use it... |
| 05:26.15 | furrywolf | is there a kernel channel on here? |
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| 05:26.42 | Raa | i have a problem with webalizer generating a report output in html format. how can i check whats going wrong? |
| 05:27.06 | SG1 | furrywolf: no not really |
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| 05:27.19 | SG1 | furrywolf: some linux channels with discuss it. |
| 05:27.27 | SG1 | furrywolf: You could post to the LKML |
| 05:27.36 | SG1 | furrywolf: if you really want to |
| 05:27.49 | SG1 | furrywolf: but they will want lots of info |
| 05:27.49 | dondelelcaro | Rez: run webalizer from the CLI |
| 05:27.52 | MyNameIsChris | SG1, Yeah, it is going. Thanks |
| 05:27.58 | dondelelcaro | s/Rez/Raa/ |
| 05:28.01 | Raa | whats a LKML? this is my first time using IRC |
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| 05:28.12 | SG1 | furrywolf: what kernel? |
| 05:28.14 | simonrvn | linux kernel mailing list |
| 05:28.15 | dondelelcaro | !LKML |
| 05:28.15 | dpkg | rumour has it, lkml is the linux kernel mailing list (read /usr/src/linux/REPORTING-BUGS before you post there, and ALSO read -all- messages from the archives before posting.) : http://www.tux.org/lkml/ |
| 05:28.22 | SG1 | lol |
| 05:28.28 | Raa | I run the script in terminal and it gives no output as if it runs properly. although the output directory doesn't change |
| 05:28.32 | SG1 | dondelelcaro: you beat me to it |
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| 05:29.21 | Raa | thanks fellas. know of any websites i can get a descent doco on it? |
| 05:29.23 | dondelelcaro | Raa: it should have debugging options. Flip them on, and try running it again. /me seems to remember something about a -d option to webalizer |
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| 05:30.27 | SG1 | My neame is Chris is probably rebooting |
| 05:30.28 | SG1 | :-D |
| 05:30.33 | SG1 | and wow I cant type. |
| 05:30.38 | SG1 | Its only 1:30. |
| 05:30.39 | SG1 | lol |
| 05:31.04 | SG1 | furrywolf: I give up. Im going to bed. |
| 05:31.10 | furrywolf | sg1: heh :) |
| 05:31.11 | furrywolf | cyas |
| 05:31.18 | SG1 | furrywolf: nothing pops to mind why it would do that. |
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| 05:31.28 | SG1 | furrywolf: If I think of something I'll let you know. |
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| 05:31.41 | furrywolf | nor mine. I don't normally ask for help without giving up on google and anything I can try... |
| 05:31.41 | budluva | anyone ever seen this before? alsamixer: function snd_ctl_open failed for default: Permission denied |
| 05:31.49 | SG1 | budluva: yeah |
| 05:31.50 | budluva | i get that when i run alsamixer |
| 05:32.03 | SG1 | budluva: yeah.. check the permissions of your audio devices. |
| 05:32.06 | budluva | either as regular user or root, both give same error |
| 05:32.12 | SG1 | oh |
| 05:32.21 | SG1 | make sure your audio wroks |
| 05:32.26 | SG1 | run alsaconf |
| 05:32.37 | SG1 | anyway Im out. Night all. |
| 05:33.03 | furrywolf | cyas |
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| 05:34.21 | debyan | i think im gonna try ubuntu since debian isnt comin with the latest software i need |
| 05:34.50 | mwilson | debyan: And what might that be? |
| 05:34.50 | furrywolf | debyan: debian testing tends to be rather current... |
| 05:34.59 | debyan | i have testing, but its not |
| 05:35.07 | dondelelcaro | debyan: in what way? |
| 05:35.10 | furrywolf | what software do you need a newer version of? |
| 05:35.12 | debyan | i was told it would have python2.4 before i installed it, it only has python2.3 |
| 05:35.16 | debyan | amongst other things |
| 05:35.17 | mwilson | He's either about to whine about Gnome 2.10, or about KDE 3.4 |
| 05:35.28 | mwilson | Wow, I was wrong. |
| 05:35.30 | myren | whats the seminal book on failure of complex systems? Everyday Accidents, Normal Accidents, something like that... |
| 05:35.42 | dondelelcaro | !info python2.4 sarge |
| 05:35.47 | dpkg | python2.4: (An interactive high-level object-oriented language (version 2.4)), section python, is optional. Version: 2.4+2.4.1rc2-1 (sarge), Packaged size: 3414 kB, Installed size: 10948 kB |
| 05:35.48 | dondelelcaro | debyan: you were saying? |
| 05:36.05 | debyan | its not there when i apt-get install python2.4 |
| 05:36.09 | mwilson | dondelelcaro: Is 2.3 default, or 2.4? I forget which. |
| 05:36.10 | debyan | and i apt-get upgrade'd |
| 05:36.15 | dondelelcaro | debyan: have you run apt-get update; recently? |
| 05:36.19 | debyan | yes |
| 05:36.24 | furrywolf | debyan: apt-get python2.4 ought to give you python 2.4... |
| 05:36.30 | debyan | doesnt |
| 05:36.30 | dondelelcaro | debyan: well, if you can't install it, then you're using an outdated mirror. |
| 05:36.38 | furrywolf | did you run apt-get update or apt-get upgrade? |
| 05:36.39 | dondelelcaro | debyan: run apt-setup; and configure your sources.list properly. |
| 05:36.47 | debyan | lemme check |
| 05:37.06 | mwilson | You have to wonder why he thinks he needs python 2.4 |
| 05:37.37 | dondelelcaro | mwilson: yeah, I think the default is 2.3... I don't even know if 2.4 is actually released yet |
| 05:37.52 | simonrvn | default in sid/sarge is still 2.3 |
| 05:37.55 | furrywolf | dondel: I don't know if it's released or not, but I do know it's in debian testing. |
| 05:38.01 | debyan | python.org |
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| 05:38.04 | dondelelcaro | ah, 2.4.1 is, but it hasn't made it into testing yet |
| 05:38.17 | debyan | what about 2.4.0? |
| 05:38.17 | simonrvn | but 2.4 is in sid already |
| 05:38.30 | simonrvn | !info python2.4 sid |
| 05:38.35 | dondelelcaro | debyan: uh, 2.4.1rc2-1 is already *IN* sarge. |
| 05:38.36 | debyan | i have sarge though |
| 05:38.44 | dpkg | python2.4: (An interactive high-level object-oriented language (version 2.4)), section python, is optional. Version: 2.4.1-1 (sid), Packaged size: 3414 kB, Installed size: 10948 kB |
| 05:38.47 | streuner | simonrvn: we don't suggest unstable for newbies... |
| 05:38.58 | simonrvn | i know, i'm just saying |
| 05:39.02 | furrywolf | debyan: apt-get update ; apt-get install pyhton2.4 <== run that. |
| 05:39.10 | mwilson | I wonder why unstable didn't transition to Python 2.4 |
| 05:39.13 | streuner | simonrvn: i know |
| 05:39.16 | simonrvn | :) |
| 05:39.30 | dondelelcaro | mwilson: it probably will once sarge is released |
| 05:39.32 | debyan | furrywolf i did that before i even came here |
| 05:39.40 | debyan | im gonna try different sources though |
| 05:39.46 | furrywolf | #kernel seems very, very quiet. either no one is there, or no one has any clue what's wrong with the dvd drive. :) |
| 05:39.59 | dondelelcaro | furrywolf: you probably want #kernel-newbies on irc.oftc.net |
| 05:40.05 | furrywolf | debyan: use http.us.debian.org... may not be fastest, but should be up-to-date. |
| 05:40.22 | XeRNiLuM | anyone knows what happend with xchat package in testing/unstable ? is it freeze ? |
| 05:40.33 | dondelelcaro | rrr... #kernelnewbies, rather |
| 05:40.33 | simonrvn | works here |
| 05:40.37 | furrywolf | dondel: I'm not much of a kernel newbie... I don't think interrupt handler errors count as newbie questions. :) |
| 05:40.45 | simonrvn | hehe |
| 05:40.48 | mwilson | It's crap, but then again xchat has always been crap. |
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| 05:40.59 | budluva | t |
| 05:41.02 | dondelelcaro | furrywolf: uh, that's the kernel development channel where people who know what they're doing actually hang out. |
| 05:41.06 | simonrvn | i'm using it until i figure out what's wrong with irssi |
| 05:41.23 | simonrvn | though for gui irc clients, it's pretty ok |
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| 05:41.39 | mwilson | dondelelcaro: Hey, is your /etc/init.d/modutils not marked executable? |
| 05:41.40 | furrywolf | dondel: something with -newbies is for developers? hrmm. I should try that. naming something newbies probably keeps newbies out. :) |
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| 05:41.58 | dondelelcaro | mwilson: nope |
| 05:42.09 | mwilson | it's not executable? |
| 05:42.14 | simonrvn | furrywolf: a little like #mklinux. has nothing to do with it, but the name stays due to nostalgia |
| 05:42.18 | dondelelcaro | mwilson: no, it is executable... |
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| 05:42.29 | deadcat | carnage: gcc4 on sid already? |
| 05:42.41 | dondelelcaro | <PROTECTED> |
| 05:42.44 | simonrvn | apparently |
| 05:42.55 | debyan | furrywolf so i add 'deb http://us.debian.org testing" to my sources.list then type apt-get update. and then i can apt-get install python2.4? |
| 05:43.07 | simonrvn | debb0y: um, you're missing stuff |
| 05:43.10 | dondelelcaro | http.us.debian.org |
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| 05:43.16 | dondelelcaro | plus a whole bunch of other things. |
| 05:43.26 | dondelelcaro | debyan: run apt-setup; if you want to modulate your sources.list |
| 05:43.38 | simonrvn | read my mind |
| 05:43.54 | budluva | how do i view my permissions for my audio controller? |
| 05:44.04 | budluva | ./dev/audio? |
| 05:44.12 | debyan | just that i dont see http.us.debian.org in the automated parts of apt-setup |
| 05:44.16 | debyan | so i have to do it by hand dont i |
| 05:45.07 | dondelelcaro | debyan: just use ftp.us.debian.org. it's equivalent. |
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| 05:45.56 | mwilson | Hm, firecrap disables SSL by default now? What's it use, then? Prayer? |
| 05:45.57 | budluva | ok, ls -l | grep audio shows all my audio devices are owned by root, how do i change that to my regular user or how do i add my regular user to the audio group? |
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| 05:46.07 | dondelelcaro | mwilson: meh? |
| 05:46.21 | debyan | it worked thanks |
| 05:46.38 | KerPlunk | My system is fucked up. :( |
| 05:46.38 | KerPlunk | lo |
| 05:46.39 | KerPlunk | l |
| 05:46.39 | mwilson | dondelelcaro: Oh, it was still installed from the last time I got bored enough to play with it... I updated just now and that message popped up. |
| 05:46.49 | mwilson | <PROTECTED> |
| 05:46.49 | mwilson | <PROTECTED> |
| 05:46.57 | simonrvn | mwilson: no, SSLv2. read the changelog |
| 05:47.32 | mwilson | simonrvn: <shrug> No need, really... I had forgotten it was installed. I've already removed it. |
| 05:47.41 | simonrvn | SSLv3 and TLSv1 are left alone. they're diabled by default now. doesn't mean you can't use them. in fact i like the idea, you shouldn't use SSLv2 anyway |
| 05:47.49 | simonrvn | dis* |
| 05:47.58 | loocek | what is the all ways to watching films over local network ? |
| 05:48.25 | simonrvn | uh, yeh. security fixes |
| 05:48.37 | dondelelcaro | simonrvn: yeah, I forgot that I had a debugging only build here |
| 05:48.44 | simonrvn | oh, i see |
| 05:49.36 | loocek | ...except samba and nfs ? |
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| 05:49.54 | mwilson | damn, I still have vorbis-tools installed. |
| 05:50.05 | streuner | simonrvn: what i wanna say is, we suggest sarge for newbies now, but what happens if sarge isn't stable in next time and folks wanna run the latetest software...? |
| 05:50.16 | simonrvn | i removed 300+ MB of installed stuff the other day... |
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| 05:50.52 | simonrvn | streuner: i understand. was just passing along info. wasn't trying to imply s/he should get sid |
| 05:51.14 | FarrisG | anybody knot a (preferably apt-gettable) tool or script to do simple bulk resizing of photos? |
| 05:51.45 | furrywolf | farris: gimp probably can be made to do it, but not simple... imagemagik should be able to simply. |
| 05:51.45 | simonrvn | one of the imagemagick apps... mogrify or something? |
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| 05:53.17 | Guerin | yeah, mogrify |
| 05:53.26 | nipplesrulz | afk indefinately c u l8tr |
| 05:53.56 | FarrisG | excellent, mogrify is working |
| 05:54.22 | furrywolf | what's the dpkg-bot command that makes it yell at people who type like nipplesrulz does? :P |
| 05:54.44 | simonrvn | @aolify furrywolf |
| 05:55.00 | simonrvn | woops, wrong one |
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| 05:56.25 | furrywolf | lol |
| 05:57.04 | debyan | ok i take back everything i said about sarge, it rocks :) |
| 05:57.05 | debyan | thanks |
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| 05:59.19 | streuner | using actually windows |
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| 05:59.27 | tvn | What's the equivalent to Mathematica that's free and can run on Linux ? |
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| 06:02.52 | simonrvn | streuner: who is? |
| 06:03.04 | streuner | simonrvn: debyan |
| 06:03.20 | sword | tvn, none really, but octave ~ matlab |
| 06:03.39 | simonrvn | oh, and does someone have a idea to get base64-[de|en]code to behave so that one can see what the output is? |
| 06:03.44 | EvanCarroll | when i build my kernel with make-kpkg how come even though AMD64 is selected it uses /arch/386 rather than /arch/x86_64 |
| 06:03.47 | simonrvn | streuner: ah. |
| 06:04.49 | jm_ | simonrvn: where's that from? |
| 06:04.58 | simonrvn | sec |
| 06:05.13 | jm_ | ahh mime-codecs |
| 06:05.26 | simonrvn | mime-codecs |
| 06:06.13 | simonrvn | been trying to do the echo thing, but if i add '\n' that gets translated too... |
| 06:06.21 | simonrvn | o_O |
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| 06:08.28 | simonrvn | oh, never mind |
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| 06:08.32 | jm_ | simonrvn: echo -n? |
| 06:08.33 | streuner | Why did s(he) need python2.4 anyways? |
| 06:09.00 | simonrvn | just do base64-[de|en]code, type it in, then ^d |
| 06:09.05 | simonrvn | duh... |
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| 06:09.16 | tvn | sword: yah I have octave but it's not fully compatible with matlab , and octave runs matlab code exceptionally slow |
| 06:09.42 | poli_off | tvn, did you try scilab? Much closer to mathlab |
| 06:09.43 | jm_ | yeah just forget to take the string before pressing ctrl-d ;) |
| 06:10.11 | jm_ | don't forget that is |
| 06:10.54 | poli_off | tvn, Oh, you want the equivalete to mathematica? I saw something the other day in freshmeat.net... try search symbolic math there. |
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| 06:11.39 | sword | tvn, are you trying to do symbolic stuff? or just crunch? |
| 06:11.39 | mrgenixus | exit |
| 06:11.56 | budluva | ok, ls -l | grep audio shows all my audio devices are owned by root, how do i change that to my regular user or how do i add my regular user to the audio group? |
| 06:12.05 | tvn | poli_off: I am looking for an alternative to mathematica . I have Matlab running on Windows |
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| 06:12.20 | poli_off | tvn, Mathematica and Mathlab do completely different things.... |
| 06:12.22 | budluva | i keep getting a function snd_ctl_open permission denied error |
| 06:12.29 | poli_off | tvn, Mathematica is close to Mapple |
| 06:12.31 | bykte | how do i kill a established connection from netstat ? |
| 06:12.32 | jm_ | budluva: is it root,audio? |
| 06:12.38 | poli_off | tvn, Mathlab is for numeric computing. |
| 06:13.21 | FarrisG | Here's what I needed to bulk resize for: http://gentlenews.com/archives/2005/04/22/say-hello-to-hotblack/ :) |
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| 06:13.39 | budluva | ill show you for /dev/audio |
| 06:14.11 | tvn | poli_off: yep I know they are different, I use Matlab extensively ... I am am trying to play aroud with Mathematica since it might be useful for my comming project. |
| 06:14.12 | budluva | drwxr-x--- 2 root audio 4096 Apr 21 17:19 snd |
| 06:14.24 | budluva | lrwxrwxrwx 1 root root 11 Apr 21 17:19 audio -> /dev/audio0 |
| 06:14.27 | jm_ | that's screwed |
| 06:14.37 | poli_off | tvn, ok, for a matlab equivalent, download scilab. |
| 06:14.44 | maher | tvn: xmaxima / maxima are similar to mathematica - gap is better for many things tho |
| 06:14.54 | poli_off | tvn, for mathematica, I have read something on freshmeat, try looking it up there. |
| 06:14.57 | jm_ | budluva: check it on /dev/audio0 - no need to paste it |
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| 06:15.08 | tvn | scilab -> not in Debian ? |
| 06:15.08 | bykte | anyone? how do i kill a established connection from netstat ? |
| 06:15.11 | budluva | check it? |
| 06:15.17 | budluva | the owner is root:root |
| 06:15.26 | jm_ | that's wrong |
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| 06:15.43 | poli_off | tvn, I can see it on sid |
| 06:15.43 | maher | bykte: kill the process making the connection? |
| 06:15.51 | tvn | I run Sarge |
| 06:15.54 | budluva | how do i change the owner of /dev/audio0 |
| 06:15.55 | budluva | ? |
| 06:16.01 | budluva | or /dev/audio for that matter |
| 06:16.06 | maher | budluva: chown |
| 06:16.18 | bykte | maher, there is no process making the connection |
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| 06:17.04 | poli_off | tvn, I can't see it on sarge... |
| 06:17.06 | maher | bykte: paste your netstat output in floo |
| 06:17.14 | maher | bykte: d |
| 06:17.20 | bykte | okie |
| 06:18.01 | poli_off | tvn, if you are on into statistics, go for GNU S (R-Project) |
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| 06:18.08 | bykte | maher, done |
| 06:18.49 | ivoks | there wouldn't be ubuntu if there wasn't debian |
| 06:18.53 | ivoks | are we clear with that? |
| 06:19.05 | ivoks | so.. that makes Debian... what? A God :) |
| 06:19.18 | ivoks | or, better... The God |
| 06:19.20 | ivoks | :) |
| 06:19.30 | ivoks | jee... sorry, wrong channel |
| 06:19.36 | budluva | ok, if my audio device is owned by root:audio how come there is no audio user in /etc/passwd? |
| 06:19.42 | budluva | or is that audio a group? |
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| 06:20.06 | poli_off | ivoks, were you trying to tease the #ubunto guys? ;) |
| 06:20.07 | ivoks | budluva u have to place ur user in audio group |
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| 06:20.16 | ivoks | poli_off yeah :) |
| 06:20.17 | budluva | audio:x:29: |
| 06:20.21 | ivoks | but, they do good job |
| 06:20.23 | budluva | there, thats the line from /etc/group |
| 06:20.32 | ivoks | budluva adduser [youruser] audio |
| 06:20.52 | kevin06 | Would someone be willing to help me make Thunderbird use Firefox for links? |
| 06:20.53 | simonrvn | budluva: adduser your_user audio. log out completely, log back in |
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| 06:21.24 | ivoks | poli_off for now, ubuntu is much better desktop distro |
| 06:21.38 | ivoks | but when it comes to racks, clusters, servers... |
| 06:21.47 | poli_off | ivoks, now you are trying to tease the #debian guys... I see. |
| 06:22.11 | sword | kevin06, try update-alternatives --all |
| 06:22.12 | ivoks | poli_off oh, sorry, i used debian sarge/sid for years on desktop |
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| 06:22.30 | ivoks | but, u know... i need system on my lap wich works... |
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| 06:22.38 | tvn | poli_off: scilab website -> down |
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| 06:22.41 | ivoks | and don't have to do all that configuration |
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| 06:23.15 | tvn | ivoks: when I need a system for my lap which works quicky, I turn to Windows :P |
| 06:23.15 | bykte | anyone? how do i kill a established connection from netstat ? |
| 06:23.23 | maher | bykte: wrong question |
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| 06:23.31 | ivoks | tvn well, then u don't know what's a working system :) |
| 06:23.33 | budluva | ok cool, sound's workin now |
| 06:23.34 | budluva | thanks |
| 06:23.38 | maher | why isn't bykte netstat giving him pid info |
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| 06:24.43 | bykte | yeah, i dont have it lol |
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| 06:25.15 | tvn | working system is defined as something that does what the user wants it to do. needs not to mean 'reliable' , 'secured' , etc ... |
| 06:25.16 | poli_off | bykte, I don't think you are able to kill a connect() from anywhere I have seem... as far as I know you can only do that from inside the calling process....... |
| 06:25.26 | ivoks | tvn i agree |
| 06:25.45 | ivoks | tvn it now depends what user needs.. so, that's why i have dual boot |
| 06:25.59 | ivoks | tvn because of one friking app :((((( |
| 06:26.23 | poli_off | ivoks, did you try Wine? Did you try VMware? ;) |
| 06:26.25 | bykte | oh damn :D |
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| 06:26.33 | bykte | that root is useless :x |
| 06:26.47 | poli_off | bykte, hum I have seen some uses for root.... |
| 06:26.50 | ivoks | poli_off wine doesn't do that app and on vmware is not so good as on true windows |
| 06:27.10 | poli_off | ivoks, What app is that? |
| 06:27.15 | ivoks | poli_off autocad |
| 06:27.34 | Guerin | heh |
| 06:27.41 | Guerin | no chance of ever running that in wine |
| 06:27.53 | Guerin | and running it in any kind of emulation will be painfully slow |
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| 06:28.11 | ivoks | Guerin i see u tried :) |
| 06:28.13 | poli_off | Ddi you try thenew VMWare? It is a lot faster than the previous one.... |
| 06:28.25 | ivoks | poli_off graphic is problem |
| 06:28.33 | ivoks | poli_off graphics aren't fast enough |
| 06:28.46 | ivoks | and that's normal... |
| 06:28.49 | Guerin | ivoks: jesus, I couldn't get sol.exe running in wine last night |
| 06:29.10 | bykte | oh geeeeeeeeeeeeez!! hwo to kill!! |
| 06:29.10 | Guerin | though ti may have had something to do with the fact that it was over ssh -X into a 56k modem |
| 06:29.18 | ivoks | Guerin i couldn't get any app on debian's wine to work :) |
| 06:29.22 | maher | bykte: are you running netstat as root? |
| 06:29.26 | Guerin | bykte: hold power button for 6 seconds |
| 06:29.46 | myren | is there a wpacrack? |
| 06:29.50 | ivoks | but debian is great distro, using it on more than 60 computers |
| 06:30.12 | Guerin | ivoks: got some things working with it |
| 06:30.27 | myren | ivoks: i wish running your own repository was easier |
| 06:30.33 | ivoks | that'd a question? |
| 06:30.55 | ivoks | hm... i can't type in this position :) |
| 06:31.06 | ivoks | myren ? |
| 06:31.07 | bykte | maher, yes |
| 06:31.08 | myren | i'd really like to setup repositories which package a set of pinned packages, cache them, and auto-update the network |
| 06:31.10 | bykte | rooooooooot :D |
| 06:31.31 | myren | light-weight caching would be better, cache on demand |
| 06:31.32 | maher | bykte: dunno - find out why your netstat is broken |
| 06:31.34 | ivoks | myren well... i solved that problem on other level |
| 06:31.51 | ivoks | myren from 60 of those, 50 are diskless :) |
| 06:31.56 | myren | right |
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| 06:32.02 | myren | thats a pretty good way to go honestly |
| 06:32.05 | ivoks | one update updates them all |
| 06:32.26 | myren | it still seems silly how poor repository docs are |
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| 06:32.36 | myren | and software |
| 06:32.37 | Guerin | myren: write better ones |
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| 06:32.54 | Guerin | the repository software isn't poor... it's solid as a rock. |
| 06:33.01 | myren | Guerin: its the old LDAP problem. you have to fucking figure it out in the first place to write the docs. |
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| 06:33.30 | Guerin | myren: what the fuck does ldap have to do with setting up a debian repository |
| 06:33.30 | myren | my calculator app is great, it adds 2+2 perfectly every time |
| 06:33.30 | Guerin | ? |
| 06:33.34 | davFr | hi, in my sarge, /usr/bin/dpkg-architecture is -rwxr-xr-x, but /usr/bin/dpkg is only -rwxr-x---. Do you have the same? |
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| 06:33.58 | ivoks | myren is lost in time and space :) |
| 06:34.00 | [Timmeh] | is there a way to view all the proccess with top? |
| 06:34.13 | myren | myren: you have to fucking figure it out in the first place to write the docs. |
| 06:34.16 | [Timmeh] | cuz i can only see as amny that will fit in the butty box |
| 06:34.29 | maher | davFr: no |
| 06:34.30 | streuner | [Timmeh]: PgDown |
| 06:34.31 | Guerin | !tranquilise myren |
| 06:34.32 | myren | as with debian repos, same with LDAP (only more so) |
| 06:34.36 | [Timmeh] | thnx |
| 06:34.49 | davFr | maher: what's yours? plz |
| 06:34.53 | myren | bah, heathen |
| 06:35.06 | maher | davFr: -rwxr-xr-x 1 root root 174040 2005-02-10 07:30 /usr/bin/dpkg* |
| 06:35.20 | ivoks | well... |
| 06:35.23 | ivoks | of i go... |
| 06:35.27 | ivoks | play americas army :) |
| 06:35.52 | debb0y | can someone help me out plz? |
| 06:35.53 | [Timmeh] | PgDown for me just has unknown command |
| 06:36.03 | davFr | maher : thanks. I suppose that's because of this, i can't create deb package within fakeroot anymore! |
| 06:36.17 | debb0y | can someone look on #flood ? |
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| 06:36.35 | debb0y | i get that error |
| 06:36.35 | maher | davFr: chmod o+x /usr/bin/dpkg |
| 06:36.59 | davFr | maher : chmod o+rw :o) |
| 06:37.17 | maher | davFr: umm... not such a good idea... |
| 06:37.39 | simonrvn | uh, NO. do not do that |
| 06:37.46 | davFr | maher : oups! chmod o+rx :o) |
| 06:38.02 | simonrvn | chmod 755 is fine |
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| 06:38.15 | [Timmeh] | is there a command to killa procces by name instead of pid? |
| 06:38.23 | ivoks | yeah killall |
| 06:38.25 | ivoks | :) |
| 06:38.27 | debb0y | killall name |
| 06:38.45 | [Timmeh] | thnx |
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| 06:38.57 | davFr | (anyway I wonder what changed these rights on dpkg? a new package? or maybe bastille?!) |
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| 06:39.26 | Guerin | i doubt very much it was any debian package |
| 06:39.57 | davFr | Guerin : i mean an broken update of dpkg package? |
| 06:40.17 | Guerin | davFr: I wouldn't bank on it |
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| 06:41.04 | davFr | ok. At least, i will be able to create my deb as a user now. Thanks, bye everybody |
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| 06:45.29 | furrywolf | I've stumped #kernelnewbies, apparently... current suggestion seems to be there's something seriously fucked up with the drive firmware. |
| 06:45.58 | maher | furrywolf: maybe your drive is just dead |
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| 06:46.09 | jm_ | furrywolf: can't you upgrade that? |
| 06:46.17 | furrywolf | maher: a dead drive shouldn't cause the kernel to barf. |
| 06:47.16 | maher | furrywolf: broken hw can cause the kernel to barf |
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| 06:48.23 | sceig | I have 3 partition on my Debian (sarge) box : Ext3 for my system, swap, and fat32 (fat32 is to be used only for stocking ghost image). The problem is that my system wants to create the /home directory on the fat32 partition. How can i force it to use only the ext3 partition? |
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| 06:49.25 | valdyn | sceig: by not using an extra partition for /home |
| 06:49.30 | furrywolf | I'm going to go exchange it for a different brand tomorrow... won't matter if it's broken by design or just broken, a new brand hopefully will make sure it's not the same thing. |
| 06:49.56 | sceig | and do i tell it ? |
| 06:50.38 | valdyn | sceig: dont have the installer in front of me, dont know *how* exactly |
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| 06:50.59 | sceig | u can't tell it after installation is done ? |
| 06:51.12 | sceig | by modifying a file, for example.. |
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| 06:51.33 | valdyn | sceig: umm, after installation is done your fat32 partition is probably already formatted? |
| 06:51.33 | cthulfuego | sceig: Just select the partition in the list and edit it, tell the system to not use it. |
| 06:51.34 | directhex | furrywolf, which brand is causing issues? |
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| 06:51.56 | sceig | valdyn: yes |
| 06:52.13 | valdyn | sceig: edit /etc/fstab and remove the entry for /home |
| 06:52.20 | sceig | <cthulfuego>: i can tell it after information ? |
| 06:52.28 | sceig | information=installation |
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| 06:54.20 | Nunez | Im trying to get my Wireless Netgear card to work. I've installed madwifi drivers and recompiled the kernel with pcmcia support and when I run cardctl info it gives me "open_sock(): No such device" ?? |
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| 06:54.29 | sceig | tks |
| 06:55.17 | valdyn | sceig: that will remove the home directory for any user you created.. |
| 06:55.51 | sceig | great. tks valdyn |
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| 06:57.31 | oladola | I need to make a reverse proxy like https://proxify.com ... anybody know the way to configure it ?? |
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| 06:59.22 | furrywolf | sleep time. cyas all. |
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| 07:03.51 | FlopsyPete | I run Testing; gnome volume manager is set to 'mount removable media when inserted' yet I can insert a CD-ROM and it not be auto mounted. is gvm known to be flaky in this way? |
| 07:04.01 | fester420 | my router is ghey |
| 07:04.06 | fester420 | i tried the net install |
| 07:04.17 | fester420 | and it wont see my internet connection |
| 07:04.26 | oladola | I need to make a reverse proxy like https://proxify.com ... anybody know the way to configure it ?? |
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| 07:05.56 | bubOh | Hi, I have a few questions. With a 200 mhz processer and 32 megs of ram, is 800 megs of swap space sufficent for a web server/ |
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| 07:06.07 | Jamsi | hi |
| 07:06.19 | Jamsi | Quick question, how do I apply the rules tahts under /var/lib/active |
| 07:06.30 | Jamsi | under /var/lib/iptables/active |
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| 07:07.49 | intx | what motherboard works with vcore/multiplier adjustment under linux? |
| 07:07.50 | simonrvn | iptables-restore/save |
| 07:08.33 | bubOh | is 800 megs of swap space decent enough for a computer with 32 megs of ram, which is going to be running as a web server? |
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| 07:08.57 | valdyn | bubOh: easily |
| 07:09.25 | Jamsi | blarg nevermind. init.d/iptables restart did the trick |
| 07:09.27 | dondelelcaro | bubOh: 32M of ram is kind of tiny for a web server.. |
| 07:09.58 | bubOh | yes true. however, i cannont find memory that will go into this old computer |
| 07:09.58 | dondelelcaro | (depends what you're serving, of course) |
| 07:10.08 | fester420 | i have 2 gig corsair ram |
| 07:10.13 | fester420 | ddr2 |
| 07:10.15 | bubOh | all im servering is some text and some pictures |
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| 07:10.23 | bubOh | i hope the 32 will be enough for that |
| 07:10.37 | dondelelcaro | bubOh: yeah, probably ok... just make sure you set the MaxChildren limits sanely |
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| 07:12.06 | bubOh | ooh |
| 07:12.48 | bubOh | thanks..im not exactly sure about how apache works yet. im guessing this small system wont be enough to pull off some sort of simple php use then |
| 07:13.16 | dondelelcaro | bubOh: it'll propbably work... you'll just be limited on the number of children you can run |
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| 07:13.39 | bubOh | i see |
| 07:13.55 | oladola | I need to make a reverse proxy like https://proxify.com ... anybody know the way to configure it ?? |
| 07:14.42 | budluva | anyone here good with internet sharing/ip masquerading? |
| 07:14.50 | dondelelcaro | WTF is a reverse proxy? |
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| 07:15.28 | dondelelcaro | oladola: that just looks like a hacked up version of cgi proxy |
| 07:17.08 | bubOh | on this system with 200 mhz and 32 megs of ram, would xfree even run with a really low taxing window manager? |
| 07:17.09 | idnar | proxify.com doesn't look like a reverse proxy to me |
| 07:17.17 | buu | bubOh: use ratpoison! |
| 07:17.22 | dondelelcaro | hahahaha.... that's exactly what it is |
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| 07:18.00 | ApEtc | bubOh: Yes. |
| 07:18.01 | idnar | "reverse proxy" typically refers to proxying inbound web traffic, as opposed to outbound |
| 07:18.04 | bubOh | ratposin you say? |
| 07:18.20 | ApEtc | bubOh: I used to run fluxbox on a 486/75 w/ 40 megs of RAM |
| 07:18.57 | bubOh | ooh |
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| 07:19.18 | bubOh | where is the program that i can use a menu driven prompt to select, or deselect the programs i want to install |
| 07:19.45 | dondelelcaro | idnar: I still don't have a clue why people try to call those things reverse proxies. They're load balancers. |
| 07:19.58 | sep | bubOh: aptitude perhaps ? |
| 07:20.03 | bykte | they are reverse proxies |
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| 07:20.18 | idnar | dondelelcaro: it's only a load balancer if it balances load; another common use is to unify several webservers under the same URL-space |
| 07:20.21 | dondelelcaro | ah yes, argument by assertion |
| 07:20.26 | bubOh | that was it thanks sep |
| 07:20.47 | dondelelcaro | idnar: well, if you're splitting it amongst several servers, one of the things you're doing is balancing the load |
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| 07:20.54 | Nunez | Im trying to get my Wireless Netgear card to work. I've installed madwifi drivers and recompiled the kernel with pcmcia support and when I run cardctl info it gives me "open_sock(): No such device" ?? |
| 07:21.58 | mngrif | ApEtc: i used to run flux and firefox on a P200 @ 48MB ram... i feel your pain.. now i just use fbcon on it |
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| 07:23.50 | ApEtc | mngrif: The system I was referring to was somewhat of a toy/experiment. It is more or less retired, fortunately. |
| 07:24.19 | ApEtc | mngrif: But it was about 3 years ago, so it didn't seem as bad back then. :) |
| 07:24.19 | mngrif | ApEtc: oh yeah, i've ran fvwm + netscape 4 on a 486/66 @ 36mb ram |
| 07:24.28 | mngrif | running RHL5.2 |
| 07:24.57 | mngrif | i refuse to throw that box out :\ |
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| 07:25.10 | bubOh | mngrif whats fbcon |
| 07:25.24 | mngrif | bubOh: framebuffer console |
| 07:25.40 | mngrif | more or less graphics without X... to an extent |
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| 07:25.46 | bubOh | hmm |
| 07:25.54 | bubOh | can fbcon be used to say run firefox |
| 07:26.14 | mngrif | also lets you have 140x80 or so consoles |
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| 07:26.41 | mngrif | using xdirectfb yes, but that's basicly X... not any faster so far for me |
| 07:27.23 | mngrif | maybe with a well supported video card (voodoo 3 or matrox) xdirectfb would be better than X, but even then, prolly not. |
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| 07:28.16 | bubOh | hmm |
| 07:28.48 | mngrif | although screen+irssi+elinks+ssh.... is a very good console setup |
| 07:28.49 | bubOh | im trying to decide if running fbcon would be even necessary for a computer whose sole purpose is a web server |
| 07:28.55 | mngrif | no |
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| 07:29.13 | bubOh | whats elinks btw |
| 07:29.24 | mngrif | perhaps turning "VGA Textmode Selection" on, but i wouldn't go as far as an actual fbcon |
| 07:29.41 | mngrif | text-mode browser. support javascript and gpm |
| 07:29.44 | bubOh | yea I want to be able to use my mouse to copy and paste information |
| 07:29.49 | mngrif | links2 does graphics on a fb |
| 07:29.53 | mngrif | gpm |
| 07:30.08 | mngrif | most everything debian console depends on gpm, you prolly already have it |
| 07:30.36 | bubOh | well when i move my mouse i see no curser |
| 07:30.53 | mngrif | dpkg-reconfigure gpm |
| 07:31.12 | bubOh | k im doin that |
| 07:31.23 | mngrif | and PLEASE test it somewhere aside from the window that your irc client is on :) |
| 07:31.26 | tarzeau | easiest fastest shell way to count consonants and vowels and print them ? |
| 07:31.53 | mngrif | tarzeau: ooh, good one |
| 07:31.57 | bubOh | lol :) ok |
| 07:32.13 | tarzeau | mngrif: getting tons of mails from people like ooxjqcazfjgf@ejmail.com |
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| 07:32.30 | mngrif | tarzeau: spamassasin? |
| 07:32.40 | tarzeau | mngrif: maybe weighing the number of consonants against vowels relative to total letters before @domain |
| 07:32.50 | tarzeau | mngrif: too slow |
| 07:32.55 | tarzeau | mngrif: https://webmail.phys.ethz.ch/mailq2/ |
| 07:33.03 | mngrif | dedicate a box to email :) |
| 07:33.16 | tarzeau | mngrif: there's one box for mail and 3 for spamassassin :) |
| 07:33.25 | mngrif | heh |
| 07:33.31 | tarzeau | mngrif: we've got like 5000 mail users or so |
| 07:33.37 | resiak | tarzeau: Perl's tr/// ? |
| 07:33.38 | mngrif | nice |
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| 07:33.51 | mngrif | yeah, i was thinking maybe tr, but that would require two passes, methinks |
| 07:34.35 | resiak | perldoc -f length ! |
| 07:35.12 | bubOh | how can i tell which device to use my mouse on? |
| 07:35.12 | bubOh | it is a serial mouse, not a ps/2 |
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| 07:35.13 | mngrif | bubOh: tail -f /dev/ttyS0 |
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| 07:35.29 | mngrif | bubOh: change ttyS0 to S1 and such until you find it |
| 07:35.50 | mngrif | keep moving the mouse |
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| 07:37.03 | _linuxAS_ | morning |
| 07:37.06 | bubOh | hmm i cant seem to find it |
| 07:37.13 | User1 | hi all |
| 07:38.07 | User1 | i have an old laptop - 24mb ram p166 cpu -cd rom - 2Gb hdd - can i install debian ? |
| 07:38.23 | Guerin | yes |
| 07:38.39 | User1 | what ver do i need to down load ? |
| 07:38.46 | tarzeau | ahh you meant this? tr -d "[AEIOUaeiou]" |
| 07:38.52 | mngrif | actually i run debian on a laptop just like that |
| 07:39.03 | User1 | what version do u use ? |
| 07:39.06 | Guerin | woody is probably best |
| 07:39.18 | mngrif | unstable |
| 07:39.19 | deadcat | woody with no X |
| 07:39.21 | User1 | is it easy to install (Newbie) |
| 07:39.32 | deadcat | actually sid with X is coo too |
| 07:39.38 | resiak | tarzeau: No, I meant Perl's tr/// operator, since it has a "count chars" mode and is the canonical way to do so in Perl. |
| 07:39.46 | Guerin | d-i needs 32mb |
| 07:39.58 | resiak | tarzeau: But what you said might workforyou. |
| 07:40.12 | KerPlunk | http://www.rafb.net/paste/results/zWaxEk87.html |
| 07:40.15 | KerPlunk | wtf does that mean |
| 07:40.15 | POVaddct | Guerin: what's the minimum ram for woody installer? 16mb? |
| 07:40.20 | Guerin | 12 |
| 07:40.25 | KerPlunk | Someone else is using too many threads on the server...so it blocks everyone else out? |
| 07:40.25 | POVaddct | okay |
| 07:40.27 | KerPlunk | Or is it me? |
| 07:41.22 | resiak | KerPlunk: It means try again in a minute. |
| 07:41.27 | KerPlunk | I did that |
| 07:41.28 | KerPlunk | 5 minutes ago |
| 07:41.30 | Guerin | actually I think d-i might have a lowmem mode |
| 07:41.55 | KerPlunk | yea, I've done d-i with 8mb I'm pretty sure |
| 07:42.08 | Guerin | the new one? I doubt it. |
| 07:42.08 | KerPlunk | On an old sony vaio |
| 07:42.13 | bubOh | so whats the better console browser? lynx or elinks |
| 07:42.20 | bubOh | *whats the best |
| 07:42.22 | Guerin | bubOh: only you can decide. |
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| 07:43.02 | resiak | BET BET BET! |
| 07:43.22 | Guerin | BETTING END! |
| 07:43.33 | resiak | ^__^ |
| 07:43.35 | Phated | ... |
| 07:43.41 | Guerin | GOOD RUCK TO ALL BETTER! |
| 07:43.52 | resiak | Heheh. |
| 07:43.55 | KerPlunk | !start a browser war |
| 07:43.55 | dpkg | IE crashes less than Mozilla! |
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| 07:45.00 | Preston | US Bank sucks and rips off their customers: moderngeek.com/usbank |
| 07:45.23 | Guerin | Preston: please explain in 50 words or less what this has to do with Debian GNU/Linux |
| 07:45.25 | bubOh | well whats the other console browser besides lynx? |
| 07:45.43 | Phated | elinks, links, w3c? |
| 07:45.46 | caphuso | resiak: yes |
| 07:45.49 | Guerin | w3m |
| 07:45.53 | Phated | Whoops. |
| 07:45.59 | Phated | Yeah, what he said. |
| 07:46.04 | resiak | bubOh: wget and less, emacs, links2. The choices are endless! Try now, get two free! |
| 07:46.26 | caphuso | netrek |
| 07:46.46 | caphuso | (IIR the name C) |
| 07:47.53 | User1 | how many discs will woody come on ?? |
| 07:48.05 | Nunez | hows ubuntu as a linux distro? |
| 07:48.05 | bubOh | ok well thanks for the help. ill countine my adventure tommorw lol |
| 07:48.16 | bob2 | Preston: your website sucks |
| 07:48.21 | bob2 | User1: 7 |
| 07:48.25 | bob2 | User1: do you mean sarge? 12 or so. |
| 07:48.31 | bob2 | Nunez: quite nice |
| 07:48.57 | resiak | Nunez: It has a deliciously mellow flavour, but leaves a sharp aftertaste in the mouth. |
| 07:48.59 | KerPlunk | <PROTECTED> |
| 07:48.59 | KerPlunk | <PROTECTED> |
| 07:49.06 | KerPlunk | Which one of those do I want for an interl p4 i386? |
| 07:49.13 | Guerin | KerPlunk: 2 |
| 07:49.19 | KerPlunk | thanks |
| 07:49.33 | User1 | i was looking at woody - looks like 7 i think ?? but i did now know if i just need the 1st 3 discs |
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| 07:49.46 | bob2 | User1: you don't need any if you have a fast net connection |
| 07:49.49 | Phated | Just the first, even. |
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| 07:50.00 | User1 | ok ?? |
| 07:50.41 | User1 | will it let me install over windows ? |
| 07:50.50 | bob2 | yes |
| 07:51.00 | User1 | wow - how ? |
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| 07:53.04 | User1 | ? |
| 07:53.05 | Guerin | i think the chroot install factoid and wiki page might have a link to the whatsisname bootstrapper from within win95-8 |
| 07:53.08 | agabus | anyone in here had experience with a usb headset (logitech) running debian? does much have to be done to get them to run? |
| 07:53.12 | Guerin | !chroot install |
| 07:53.12 | dpkg | rumour has it, chroot install is http://twiki.iwethey.org/Main/DebianChrootInstall |
| 07:53.35 | Guerin | i can't remember the name of it, though |
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| 07:53.51 | streuner | bob2: we support here debian |
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| 07:54.00 | bob2 | streuner: ? |
| 07:54.03 | streuner | not ubuntu |
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| 07:54.23 | bob2 | indeed |
| 07:54.29 | bob2 | let me rephrase then, Nunez |
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| 07:54.39 | bob2 | UBUNTU US TEH CRAP DO NOT USE IT USE DEBIAN ON EVERYTHING LOLZ |
| 07:54.57 | Guerin | because that's what he said |
| 07:55.26 | tarzeau | hm |
| 07:55.38 | resiak | bob2: ITYM "DEBAIN". |
| 07:55.44 | bob2 | haha |
| 07:55.58 | agabus | no-one uses usb headsets on linux here? |
| 07:56.00 | bob2 | streuner: no one was "supporting" ubuntu here |
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| 07:56.56 | streuner | step 1 pushing, step 2 support? |
| 07:57.18 | jm_ | streuner: think of it this way - less clueless morons will join #debian ;) |
| 07:57.34 | streuner | jm_: sadly enough :-) |
| 07:57.44 | bob2 | if someone asks about ubuntu, should we lie and say it's crap? |
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| 07:57.59 | Guerin | do we lie and say gentoo is crap? |
| 07:58.01 | resiak | jm_: You do of course know that's not true. |
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| 07:58.12 | jm_ | resiak: I can always hope |
| 07:58.14 | bob2 | gentoo is crap, tho |
| 07:58.22 | Guerin | damn you and your logic |
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| 07:58.50 | cthulfuego | bob2: Actually, it's probably fine. Its users are crap, in that they don't know what they're doing. |
| 07:59.11 | jm_ | but lots of people recommend ubuntu over say Mandrake or SuSE these days, especially now that kubuntu (no idea what it is, but they mention it) is available to satisfy Krappers |
| 07:59.32 | streuner | jm_: ubuntu with KDE |
| 07:59.34 | cthulfuego | jm_: Well, I can't blame them, it really is very nice for a desktop distro <heh> |
| 07:59.35 | bob2 | hah, indeed |
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| 08:03.28 | budluva | does anyone know of any good divx/xvid to dvd tools for linux/debian? |
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| 08:07.21 | roo9 | anyone know where i can find doccumentation on the nagios host_notification_options & service_notification_options? |
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| 08:08.36 | bob2 | try asking on the nagios list, I guess |
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| 08:11.15 | budluva | what are the chances of me successfully running an ati radeon in debian? |
| 08:11.36 | streuner | budluva: /msg dpkg ati |
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| 08:13.20 | xrgtn | Hi! is it possible to install Debian on jfs with new debian-installer? |
| 08:13.55 | KerPlunk | yes |
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| 08:15.37 | xrgtn | wow! |
| 08:16.10 | xrgtn | it can format (mkfs) a jfs partition from installer? |
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| 08:16.38 | Gnea | alt-f2 maybe |
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| 08:16.48 | resiak | Yes, it can. |
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| 08:17.27 | streuner | xrgtn: http://www.osnews.com/story.php?news_id=9271 |
| 08:17.28 | loocek | what for is /etc/cron.d directory ? |
| 08:17.47 | tosh| | loocek man crond |
| 08:17.48 | simonrvn | stuff for cron |
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| 08:18.33 | xrgtn | streuner: thanks! |
| 08:18.47 | loocek | tosh|:there isn't any cron and crond mans |
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| 08:19.06 | loocek | tosh|: ...and cron.d |
| 08:19.10 | simonrvn | man cron, man 5 crontab... |
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| 08:19.24 | gypsymauro | hi, I finnaly made my hal-pmount-gmv working...but just for the first time ... I mean when I put the usb key it mounts and shows me its content, but when I remove it and try to reconnect it does nothing (in /var/log/messages nothing too) I'm on debian sarge with kernel 2.6.8 |
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| 08:20.09 | tosh| | gypsymauro what exactly does the hal-pmount-gmv and what are you trying to mount/umount? |
| 08:21.01 | loocek | in man crontab, man 5 crontab there isn't any mention about cron.d !! |
| 08:21.04 | loocek | :( |
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| 08:21.55 | xelam|afk | loocek: yes it does |
| 08:21.55 | xelam|afk | *yes there is |
| 08:21.55 | xelam|afk | hmm |
| 08:21.55 | xelam|afk | actually, in man cron :) |
| 08:21.55 | Gnea | loocek: just like any dot 'd' directory it serves the same purpose |
| 08:22.15 | caphuso | loocek: /usr/share/doc/cron/README.Debian |
| 08:22.53 | gypsymauro | tosh|: I installed that programs and when I login in gnome when i put a usb key on my pc it auto mount it and shows me it contents opening a windows of nautils..when I extract it, the window closes and it's ok..but if I try to remount it connecting it again nothing happens.. |
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| 08:23.24 | gypsymauro | tosh|: and I don't see nothing in /var/log/messages too |
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| 08:24.52 | mikeX | gypsymauro, what happesns |
| 08:24.53 | Gnea | gypsymauro: sounds like a gnome error.. typical |
| 08:24.56 | simonrvn | just sounds a bit buggy... see the bts maybe someone else has seen this and filed a bug, else *hinthint* |
| 08:25.49 | loocek | stil I've nothing found about this sheet cron.d, and in man cron there isn't cron.d , I'm using testing |
| 08:25.53 | mikeX | gypsymauro, when you manually umount it first? |
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| 08:26.19 | gypsymauro | mikeX: I didn't umount it manually |
| 08:26.20 | jm_ | loocek: bullshit, it's mentioned in "man cron" |
| 08:26.21 | resiak | loocek: Yes, cron.d is mentioned in man cron |
| 08:26.28 | cthulfuego | loocek: 'man cron' - paragraph 3. |
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| 08:26.36 | mikeX | gypsymauro, yeah i know, see what happens if you do : ) |
| 08:26.38 | Gnea | loocek: then you didn't read the whole manpage. i too am using testing and am right now RTFM and it's in the NOTES section. |
| 08:26.48 | gypsymauro | mikeX: let me try:) |
| 08:26.57 | KerPlunk | I have an 18 gig / partition and a 100 gig /home partition...I want to resize / to 5 gigs, and make /home 113 gigs.....What is the best too for this?... I think /home was made by Fedora Core 1(auto partition) and / was made by debian sarge d-i it's EXT3 |
| 08:27.16 | loocek | man cron give just one ! page |
| 08:27.25 | cthulfuego | loocek: Not on sarge it doesn't. |
| 08:27.27 | Gnea | illiterate fuck. |
| 08:27.27 | resiak | loocek: How did you install Debian? |
| 08:27.28 | cthulfuego | loocek: hit space |
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| 08:27.44 | loocek | nothing!!! one page !! |
| 08:27.58 | Gnea | this guy shouldn't be near a computer |
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| 08:28.05 | cthulfuego | loocek: Well, _you_ have a special installation that's -different_ from everyone else's. |
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| 08:28.29 | resiak | loocek: If you make the window bigger, is there more? |
| 08:28.32 | cthulfuego | loocek: To summarise: MY manpage says to not use cron.d, but enter new jobs via 'crontab'. |
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| 08:28.42 | Gnea | loocek: can you read what i'm typing to you? NOTES NOTES NOTES NOTES NOTES |
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| 08:29.05 | resiak | loocek: What does `dpkg -l cron | grep cron` give you? |
| 08:29.08 | Gnea | it's right fucking there here i'll even take a screenshot and PROVE it. |
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| 08:29.15 | xelam|afk | loocek: you broke something |
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| 08:29.45 | loocek | `dpkg -l cron | grep cron1 give me cron and anacron |
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| 08:29.55 | resiak | loocek: What version of cron? |
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| 08:30.04 | loocek | cron 3.0pl1-86 |
| 08:30.07 | mufa | <PROTECTED> |
| 08:30.08 | resiak | Hmm. |
| 08:30.21 | cthulfuego | loocek: That's identical to ours. |
| 08:30.29 | cthulfuego | mufa: 'diff' |
| 08:30.32 | loocek | Gnea: what NOTES ???? |
| 08:30.37 | mufa | cthulfuego: no |
| 08:30.39 | resiak | loocek: `stat /usr/share/man/man1/crontab.1.gz | grep Size` |
| 08:30.46 | xelam` | loocek: the cheesey ones |
| 08:30.50 | resiak | Erm. |
| 08:30.50 | Gnea | loocek: do you have a web browser open? |
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| 08:31.05 | resiak | loocek: Ignore that. |
| 08:31.08 | Gnea | hrm |
| 08:31.11 | cthulfuego | loocek: try 'man 8 cron' |
| 08:31.14 | Gnea | !pl |
| 08:31.15 | dpkg | from memory, pl is sometimes referred to as "packet loss" |
| 08:31.16 | loocek | stat /usr/share/man/man1/crontab.1.gz | grep Size give me Size: 2128 Blocks: 8 IO Block: 4096 |
| 08:31.20 | Gnea | heh.. |
| 08:31.33 | resiak | loocek: And finally, `stat /usr/share/man/man8/cron.8.gz | grep Size` |
| 08:31.43 | Gnea | loocek: look at this please: http://gnea.net/img/cron.d.jpg |
| 08:32.02 | jethro | moin |
| 08:32.13 | Gnea | now, please |
| 08:32.15 | cthulfuego | Gnea: your server is slow |
| 08:32.19 | loocek | stat /usr/share/man/man8/cron.8.gz | grep Size give me : Size: 2167 Blocks: 8 IO Block: 4096 |
| 08:32.25 | Gnea | cthulfuego: so's your mom |
| 08:32.33 | resiak | loocek: You have the same manpage as we do. cron.d is mentioned in it. |
| 08:32.40 | cthulfuego | Gnea: I always thought she was quite fast, myself. |
| 08:32.46 | Gnea | cthulfuego: TMI |
| 08:32.49 | Gnea | :) |
| 08:32.56 | cthulfuego | !win me |
| 08:32.57 | dpkg | Congratulations, cthulfuego! You have won a one way ticket to Soviet Russia! |
| 08:33.04 | Gnea | lol |
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| 08:33.31 | gypsymauro | mikeX: the same.. |
| 08:33.32 | Gnea | cthulfuego: well if all goes well i'll be able to upgrade the speed of it within a few months |
| 08:33.36 | mikeX | gypsymauro, : ( |
| 08:33.40 | simonrvn | South Pole -62.1 °C |
| 08:33.44 | simonrvn | current |
| 08:33.52 | loocek | Gnea: after what command you give me this screenshot ? |
| 08:34.03 | mikeX | gypsymauro, what's the kernel message when you unplug it ? (dmesg | tail) |
| 08:34.04 | Gnea | loocek: man cron |
| 08:34.16 | gypsymauro | mikeX: i dunno why I can't see any messages in /var/log/messages.. |
| 08:34.20 | loocek | my God , i have different !!! |
| 08:34.32 | loocek | more small... |
| 08:34.33 | Gnea | interesting. |
| 08:34.50 | Gnea | so you see |
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| 08:35.22 | loocek | Gnea: what distribution you have ? |
| 08:35.22 | xelam` | loocek: size isn't everything, it's what you can do with it that counts :) |
| 08:35.28 | Gnea | loocek: testing |
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| 08:35.39 | Gnea | xelam`: he's polish ;) |
| 08:35.41 | loocek | God, i haveto |
| 08:35.50 | xelam` | hmm |
| 08:35.53 | xelam` | shoe polish? :S |
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| 08:36.21 | Gnea | a shiny silver platter? :P |
| 08:36.27 | cthulfuego | !lolol Gnea |
| 08:36.34 | loocek | maybe because....that I have polish manual ?????????????? |
| 08:36.35 | xelam` | :) |
| 08:36.35 | cthulfuego | stupid syntax |
| 08:36.37 | Gnea | ROFL |
| 08:36.44 | idnar | heh |
| 08:36.49 | xelam` | loocek: shoe shiner? |
| 08:36.50 | Gnea | ding ding ding |
| 08:36.53 | Gnea | we have a winnah! |
| 08:37.17 | phanter | sorry for this n00b question, but I am installing webcalendar. I created a softlink in /var/www but I get the error 403 (no access). I tried to copy the settings from phpmyadmin (which works). What am i forgetting? |
| 08:37.18 | cthulfuego | !lolol Gnea |
| 08:37.21 | loocek | xelam`: what does mean shoe and shiner ?? |
| 08:37.27 | resiak | loocek: YOu don't havea different manpage. We just checked -- your file is the same size. |
| 08:37.36 | cthulfuego | There we go. Forced into gramatical error by PERL!!! |
| 08:37.54 | xelam` | loocek: nm, i was taking the piss |
| 08:38.01 | Gnea | cthulfuego: feel better? |
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| 08:38.18 | mufa | I have 2 text files and I want to combine them line by line... I know there is a program which does that, but I can't remmber its name |
| 08:38.27 | loocek | give me some URL where i can put my screenshot....then you'll see |
| 08:38.29 | resiak | loocek: The fact that it's a translation is why, yes. |
| 08:38.29 | jm_ | mufa: merge |
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| 08:38.45 | peanut | This is the fifth update of Debian GNU/Linux 3.0 (codename ‘woody’) which mainly adds security updates to the stable release, - stable? eh? |
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| 08:38.54 | gypsymauro | mikeX: well I tried it on a PC and it works perfectly , I tried it on a notebook and have that behaviour, what can be? same kernel version |
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| 08:39.22 | jm_ | mufa: wait it's paste not merge |
| 08:39.22 | mikeX | dunno, weird |
| 08:39.55 | Gnea | loocek: i have a better idea - locate the person(s) that handle manpage translations for the polish language and complain - say "look, 'cron.d' is being interpretted into something else but it is a directory so it should remain constant" or something like that |
| 08:39.59 | Debian\Pwns | hey can someone tell my how to get a list of running processes ?¿ |
| 08:40.09 | resiak | Debian\Pwns: ps |
| 08:40.09 | mufa | jm_: thanks |
| 08:40.14 | Debian\Pwns | cheers |
| 08:40.20 | Gnea | Pwns? |
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| 08:40.30 | resiak | peanut: Yes, stable. What's your point, exactly? |
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| 08:40.46 | Debian\Pwns | Gnea- Yeah ... pwns |
| 08:41.28 | Gnea | Debian\Pwns: ok, acronyms were cool, and pr0n was pushing it... |
| 08:41.40 | buu | Pssh, pwns is hip and l33t. |
| 08:41.40 | Gnea | well |
| 08:41.45 | Gnea | acronyms still are cool |
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| 08:42.06 | Gonorea | happy ?¿ |
| 08:42.12 | Gnea | heh |
| 08:42.14 | Gnea | funny |
| 08:42.16 | Gnea | my G is silent |
| 08:42.20 | Gnea | you illiterate fuck |
| 08:42.20 | Gnea | :) |
| 08:42.42 | Gonorea | heh actually i was taking the piss out of ur nick |
| 08:42.44 | Gonorea | hehhhhhhhhhhhhh |
| 08:42.45 | loocek | Gnea: yeah, I might say some person ....to fix this man, because for now i've read this man and nothing point to "cron.d" directory |
| 08:43.02 | resiak | loocek: How's your English? Could you translate it? |
| 08:43.10 | phanter | I am installing webcalendar. I created a softlink in /var/www but I get the error 403 (no access). I did chmod -R 644 and the owner of the files is root. How can I get it to work |
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| 08:43.44 | loocek | resiak: :) now, which you can see, my english is intermediate...i think |
| 08:43.45 | resiak | phanter: In all likelihood, apache2 is configured not to follow softlinks in /var/www |
| 08:43.57 | resiak | loocek: It's better than my Polish. |
| 08:44.27 | phanter | resiak: how does phpmyadmin work? that is a softlink (oris that a hardlink ?) |
| 08:44.49 | resiak | phanter: For me, I see the letters "php" and speedily run away.] |
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| 08:44.59 | resiak | phanter: (IOW I don't know.) |
| 08:45.18 | phanter | oke thanks. I will put the folder straight in var/ww |
| 08:45.46 | resiak | phanter: Alternatively read the docs and figure out how to allow it to follow symlinks. |
| 08:46.59 | loocek | resiak: :) I would have to see |
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| 08:50.46 | KerPlunk | Which kernel should I apt-get install? |
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| 08:50.56 | KerPlunk | I have intel p4 |
| 08:51.00 | TinoW | .oO(apt-get install netbsd ;) |
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| 08:51.28 | loocek | hey! :) i've found link that shows "man cron" (in polish that I have) |
| 08:51.34 | loocek | http://man.przez.net/cron.8.html |
| 08:51.38 | loocek | take a look |
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| 08:52.10 | resiak | loocek: It's a massively shortened translation. |
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| 08:53.13 | loocek | yes unfortunatelly :) |
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| 08:54.25 | KerPlunk | Polish people still exist? |
| 08:54.32 | ysothoth | haha |
| 08:54.44 | cthulfuego | KerPlunk: Yes, the vatican hasn't rounded them all up yet. |
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| 08:55.26 | loocek | but ... another link (Unix man pages: cron (8)) : http://www.rt.com/man/cron.8.html |
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| 08:55.52 | cthulfuego | loocek: Well, it looks as if whoever translated the man 8 cron page to polish did a bad job. |
| 08:56.04 | loocek | this look as somebody translate from unix man page :) |
| 08:56.21 | cthulfuego | loocek: You can file that as a bug. |
| 08:56.36 | TinoW | cthulfuego: maybe someone should polish it up a bit ;) SCNR |
| 08:56.40 | Sooty | lol |
| 08:56.45 | cthulfuego | loocek: Better yet, add a translation of the missing NOTES section to your bug report. |
| 08:56.49 | loocek | cthulfuego: really ? |
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| 08:57.19 | TinoW | *hrhrhr* |
| 08:57.30 | TinoW | dobre djen |
| 08:57.31 | cthulfuego | s/a box/Ye Olde Lead Anvil of Bad Punns |
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| 08:58.29 | lakerss | if i recompile the kernel i do make then i must do make module ? or that is not necessary if i recompile ? |
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| 08:58.37 | cthulfuego | 'ere we go |
| 08:58.40 | cthulfuego | !pun TinoW |
| 08:59.08 | cthulfuego | it was dpkg, with the lead piping, in the channel! |
| 08:59.13 | cthulfuego | !win me |
| 08:59.14 | dpkg | Congratulations, cthulfuego! You have won a lifetime supply of spam! |
| 08:59.37 | lakerss | if i recompile the kernel i do make then i must do make module ? or that is not necessary if i recompile ? |
| 08:59.53 | cthulfuego | lakerss: You don't have to if you use 'make-kpkg'. |
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| 09:00.04 | cthulfuego | lakerss: if you don't use make-kpkg, you should. |
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| 09:02.20 | lakerss | i use only make simple ..so i must do make modules or not ...and another how can i back up my modules |
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| 09:02.48 | lakerss | how cain i back up my old modules |
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| 09:02.57 | Xsquared | hi, just a quick question .. postfix main.cf file, under smtpd_sasl_local_domain = $myhostname do i have to change the $myhostname to my actual hostname or just leave it? |
| 09:03.05 | Xsquared | ahh, wrong room |
| 09:03.09 | Xsquared | lol |
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| 09:03.12 | ysothoth | channel |
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| 09:03.18 | Xsquared | same difference |
| 09:03.24 | ysothoth | not on irc |
| 09:03.28 | Xsquared | yeah |
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| 09:03.46 | brienna | hi all, i'm having a strange problem with my keyboard.. i have 2 user accounts, and in one of them everytime i type in something in any application, the PC speaker beeps and I can't type in anything |
| 09:03.53 | cthulfuego | Xsquared: I normally set it to blank |
| 09:03.57 | brienna | the othe account works, however |
| 09:04.08 | Xsquared | thanks mate |
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| 09:04.37 | kij1127 | ¾È³ç |
| 09:04.38 | da4n1 | is there any fully functionally sql management apps i can get with apt-get? |
| 09:04.44 | lakerss | i use only make simple ..so i must do make modules or not ...and another question how can i backup my old modules ? |
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| 09:05.03 | cthulfuego | lakerss: install kernel-package and start using make-kpkg |
| 09:05.05 | kij1127 | <PROTECTED> |
| 09:05.12 | cthulfuego | lakerss: that solves both issues. |
| 09:05.42 | cthulfuego | da4n1: there's phpMyadmin and phppgadmin.. they require a webserver with php, though |
| 09:06.26 | tosh| | is anyone running the 3ware 9000 series SATA/RAID controller and having the "SGL entry has illegal length" errormessage when trying to start smartd? |
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| 09:07.36 | da4n1 | cthulfuego: i got a dedicated server for just that but i can't finnd any apps for updatin my sql database |
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| 09:08.10 | PerfDave | Updating how? |
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| 09:08.20 | cthulfuego | da4n1: Well, 'mysql' and 'mysqladmin' take care of that usually. |
| 09:08.45 | xrgtn | one more question: I have ROUTE target in iptables, but no ipt_ROUTE kernel module. And there's no net/ipv4/netfilter/ipt_ROUTE.c in 2.6.11 kernel source. |
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| 09:08.50 | xrgtn | is it normal? |
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| 09:09.40 | cthulfuego | HOLY MACARONI! -fvisibility-inlines-hidden can make part of a binary 40% smaller! That's going to make them load and excute 20 times as fast! |
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| 09:10.01 | da4n1 | i'm build a php/sql wesite for a computer company and the updating part need to be really easy doin tho :p |
| 09:10.27 | PerfDave | da4n1: What sort of updating are you talking about? |
| 09:10.31 | cthulfuego | da4n1: What do you mean by 'updating' ? having an employee enter new data? |
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| 09:11.04 | xrgtn | how heavily patched is Debian's iproute? |
| 09:11.14 | xrgtn | oops, iptables? |
| 09:11.20 | cthulfuego | da4n1: What sort of computer/software would such an employee use? |
| 09:11.24 | streuner | xrgtn: iptables changelog will tell you |
| 09:11.30 | da4n1 | add products/remove update prises etc |
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| 09:11.57 | PerfDave | da4n1: Surely it's your job to provide the interface in PHP that makes that easy? |
| 09:12.00 | da4n1 | got phpmyadmin installed but its seems to be 2 complicated for a noob to update with it :p |
| 09:12.05 | streuner | xrgtn: /usr/share/doc/iptables/ |
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| 09:12.21 | cthulfuego | da4n1: How much have you written sofar? |
| 09:12.26 | B_Raven | Anyone know a few reliable debian testing non-free apt sources? |
| 09:12.48 | xrgtn | streuner: thanks, I know... |
| 09:12.50 | cthulfuego | da4n1: if hardly anything, check http://www.oscommerce.com/ |
| 09:13.03 | cthulfuego | B_Raven: run 'apt-setup'. |
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| 09:13.31 | B_Raven | Didn't see any setting in it to allow non free sources. |
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| 09:13.55 | da4n1 | its moore or less compleet just need to do some more design update and make some bugs disapare |
| 09:13.55 | TinoW | hm. well oscommerce uses mysql... |
| 09:14.01 | cthulfuego | B_Raven: You can always simply append " non-free" with a text editor in /etc/apt/sources.list |
| 09:14.12 | cthulfuego | TinoW: Yes, it does. |
| 09:14.46 | TinoW | cthulfuego: which it immediately disqualifies it from beeing a professional commerce product ;) |
| 09:15.15 | cthulfuego | TinoW: Seems to be working fine here, sold $13,000 worth of stuff. |
| 09:16.00 | TinoW | cthulfuego: not so much. Well, mysql has a bad habit when it comes to data integrity. I would not trust financial business on it |
| 09:16.01 | B_Raven | thanks. will try that. |
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| 09:16.47 | cthulfuego | TinoW: it has no internal references/relationships, correrct. So the developer knows that and codes accordingly. |
| 09:17.16 | TinoW | cthulfuego: not only that. It trashes your numbers without telling you |
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| 09:17.46 | cthulfuego | TinoW: Not that I've ever noticed. And I've stored and processed a LOT of numbers through mysql. |
| 09:17.49 | TinoW | cthulfuego: 31.2.? no problem. |
| 09:18.09 | cthulfuego | TinoW: 4.0 |
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| 09:18.37 | TinoW | cthulfuego: you know: http://sql-info.de/mysql/gotchas.html |
| 09:18.48 | Ugly_Duck | hiya, i'm having trouble with sshd.. it wont allow me to log into my server remotely..? |
| 09:18.50 | hackeron | why is discover keep being suggested? - doesnt hotplug replace it? |
| 09:19.03 | TinoW | cthulfuego: are you saying 4.0 has a working date datatype? |
| 09:19.18 | directhex|work | hackeron, not quite. they cross over each other in several places, but aren't directly the same |
| 09:19.30 | streuner | Ugly_Duck: show us the first error (only 2 lines) |
| 09:19.31 | TinoW | Ugly_Duck: whats in the log and what is the message you get? |
| 09:19.42 | Ugly_Duck | TinoW: auth.log? |
| 09:19.56 | Xsquared | where would the "authdaemon" path be on debian? |
| 09:19.56 | zlate | can i start the fans on my laptop from a xterm, i think i got acpi ? |
| 09:20.21 | Ugly_Duck | streuner: when i use putty from this machine to the server.. is just says access denied (its a newly install debian box) |
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| 09:20.45 | hackeron | directhex|work: yeah, looking at it briefly, discover handles X configuration unlike hotplug, but thats handled by dpkg anyway, no? |
| 09:20.46 | gypsymauro | there is a way to put all new users into a list of groups? Usually I use adduser and i want my users to be in the groups, dip, sound, disks...etc, adduser.conf doesn't seems to support this |
| 09:20.50 | streuner | Ugly_Duck: do you use it via an 'user' or as root? |
| 09:21.02 | karl | Can anyone help with xscreensaver I can not unlock it. Users password is in kerberos |
| 09:21.15 | Ugly_Duck | streuner: as a user |
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| 09:21.25 | xrgtn | I thought that kernel/iptables unsync come from the fact I don't use kernel-patch-debian, but there's no ipt_ROUTE patch in debian series. |
| 09:21.30 | directhex|work | hackeron, i was more thinking about the cdrom symlink thing discover does. anyway, it's not harmful to have both |
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| 09:21.53 | cthulfuego | TinoW: Those issues seem mainly documented. |
| 09:22.05 | streuner | Ugly_Duck: Is sshd installed? |
| 09:22.18 | hackeron | directhex|work: yeah, I suppose. Still, hal does that with hotplug now :) |
| 09:22.42 | Ugly_Duck | streuner: when i ssh in on port 22 is opens a window.. so i would assume so |
| 09:22.42 | PerfDave | karl: You probably want to change xscreensaver's PAM settings, or rather common-auth's |
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| 09:23.08 | directhex|work | hackeron, yes, yes it does. |
| 09:23.11 | PerfDave | gypsymauro: for group in adm sound camera; do adduser USER $group; done |
| 09:23.12 | karl | PerfDave: I have done that |
| 09:23.18 | TinoW | cthulfuego: so you deal with them entirely in app layer? very well. |
| 09:23.39 | cthulfuego | TinoW: of course, I make sure $USER doesn't enter data the app can't handle. |
| 09:23.46 | PerfDave | karl: *shrug* No idea then, assuming you did it correctly. |
| 09:23.50 | cthulfuego | TinoW: Doing otherwise is BAD CODING. |
| 09:23.57 | TinoW | cthulfuego: cool if the web app isnt the only app which talks to that database ;) |
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| 09:24.10 | streuner | Ugly_Duck: did you use nmap yet? |
| 09:24.41 | streuner | Ugly_Duck: or something similar to find out what ports are open? |
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| 09:24.45 | torc | what could be the cause of system locking up right after 'Activating swap. Checking root file system'. Though it does show the / is clean, i do not see any other messages on the console. |
| 09:25.05 | karl | PerfDave:That what it looks like auth [success=done new_authtok_reqd=done authinfo_unavail=ignore default=bad] pam_unix.so nullok_secure auth required pam_krb5.so use_first_password |
| 09:25.12 | cthulfuego | TinoW: You're saying that writing ANY app without input validation is acceptable? |
| 09:25.20 | PerfDave | karl: I have no idea about PAM internals, sorry. |
| 09:25.47 | streuner | Ugly_Duck: Do you have access to the server to make some changes by hand? |
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| 09:26.02 | variance | hi all, is there a tool to see what is the up/down speed on the current established tcp connections ? |
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| 09:26.19 | Ugly_Duck | streuner: i have scanned the machien.. the port is open.. i have checked on the server with netstat and its listening |
| 09:26.22 | Ugly_Duck | streuner: sure do |
| 09:26.35 | TinoW | cthulfuego: this includes the database as app, no? ;) |
| 09:26.40 | streuner | Ugly_Duck: man sshd_config |
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| 09:26.52 | looky99 | I installed php4-mysql, but when I use mysql-connect it doesnt seem like it tries to connect to mysql db. Do I need other packages to get it working ? php works fine |
| 09:26.57 | tosh| | I put a motd file reference in my sshd_config, how do I disable showing the motd when the user logged in? |
| 09:27.09 | Ugly_Duck | streuner: i have it open on a webpage.. and reading up.. but cant figure out what it is |
| 09:27.23 | xrgtn | Ugly_Duck: better just telnet xxx 22 |
| 09:27.37 | cthulfuego | TinoW: Oh, i agree that if what this site claims is true, it's quite bad behaviour, but allowing a user to enter '2003-02-!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!31!!!!!!!!!!!!!!' as date sure as hell is too <heh> |
| 09:27.40 | xrgtn | you will see smth. like "SSH-2.0-OpenSSH_3.8.1p1 Debian-8.sarge.4" |
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| 09:27.48 | TinoW | cthulfuego: ;) |
| 09:27.49 | xrgtn | there |
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| 09:28.11 | TinoW | cthulfuego: its just I like to point out mysql isnt the one and only choice when it comes to open source databases :-) |
| 09:28.16 | xrgtn | Ugly_Duck: do you have /dev/pts mounted? |
| 09:28.35 | Ugly_Duck | xrgtn: now sure, will check.. |
| 09:29.06 | cthulfuego | TinoW: No, it isn't. But in many cases (certainly in mine) porting ALL apps web/console/daemon that use it over to pgsql would be a mammoth task. |
| 09:29.07 | streuner | Ugly_Duck: look in /etc/ssh/sshd_config -> AllowUsers |
| 09:29.15 | Ugly_Duck | yup |
| 09:29.20 | Ugly_Duck | streuner: ok |
| 09:29.22 | Ugly_Duck | brb |
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| 09:31.37 | Ugly_Duck | nope.. still says Access Denied |
| 09:32.03 | Ugly_Duck | its the new SARGE version of ssh |
| 09:33.16 | streuner | Ugly_Duck: /j #flood |
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| 09:33.24 | directhex|work | Ugly_Duck, how are you doing password authentication, just /etc/password, or something like NIS? |
| 09:33.40 | Ugly_Duck | directhex|work: /etc/passwd |
| 09:33.40 | variance | hi all, is there a tool to see what is the up/down speed on the current established tcp connections ? |
| 09:34.01 | jm_ | variance: iptraf, nettop, ... |
| 09:34.14 | yalu | how can I check which nfs version I am using? does the kernel always default to the highest version the kernel/the server supports |
| 09:34.18 | yalu | ? |
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| 09:34.22 | variance | jm_: thanks! |
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| 09:37.46 | glengarry | hello |
| 09:37.49 | Gnea | uh |
| 09:37.51 | Gnea | EXT2-fs warning (device sde1): ext2_fill_super: mounting ext3 filesystem as ext2 |
| 09:37.57 | Gnea | wtf... |
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| 09:39.59 | glengarry | I get nautilus crashing on Debian testing all the time. |
| 09:40.08 | glengarry | does anyone know about this? |
| 09:40.12 | Gnea | interesting |
| 09:40.22 | Gnea | no, but someone was complaining about nautilus earlier |
| 09:40.26 | Ugly_Duck | xrgtn: its mounted |
| 09:40.28 | Guerin | glengarry: nautilus crashes all the time under all circumstances I'm aware of |
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| 09:40.44 | Guerin | glengarry: check the BTS |
| 09:40.45 | Gnea | glengarry: you're better off using mozilla/firefox |
| 09:41.03 | xelam` | nautilus isn't a web browser |
| 09:41.10 | Gnea | glengarry: rox is a sweet file browser |
| 09:41.23 | directhex|work | i find bash is good for most tasks done in nautilus |
| 09:41.25 | glengarry | checked the bugs list. they say that the latest release is supposed to fix the only crash which looks similar to mine. |
| 09:41.30 | Gnea | xelam`: funny, it was parsing html over a network last time i attempted to use it a couple years ago |
| 09:41.43 | xelam` | so, so does Windows Explorer :P |
| 09:41.53 | Gnea | lol |
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| 09:42.01 | xelam` | it's primarily a file manager |
| 09:42.06 | glengarry | ah - I think I cought it - nautilus tried to ask totem-video-thumbnailer to create a thumbnail for an .swf file: |
| 09:42.08 | xelam` | which mozilla/firefox are not |
| 09:42.14 | glengarry | totem-video-thumbnailer couln't open file 'file:///home/amos/tali4.swf' |
| 09:42.15 | glengarry | Reason: There is no plugin to handle this movie.. |
| 09:42.15 | glengarry | /usr/share/bug-buddy/gdb-cmd:2: Error in sourced command file: |
| 09:42.15 | glengarry | Previous frame inner to this frame (corrupt stack?) |
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| 09:42.21 | Gnea | hahaah |
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| 09:42.43 | Gnea | OEO |
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| 09:43.16 | glengarry | sorry about the flood |
| 09:43.21 | glengarry | did you get the error messages? |
| 09:43.26 | Gnea | yeah |
| 09:43.33 | Gnea | buncha bullshit about a thumb nail |
| 09:43.34 | glengarry | When I moved that file away I got a nautilus that didn't crash for the first time. |
| 09:43.35 | Gnea | :) |
| 09:43.48 | Gnea | interesting |
| 09:43.56 | B_Raven | *wanders off* |
| 09:43.57 | glengarry | which program is supposed to create thumbnails from .swf files? |
| 09:44.01 | Gnea | that's something to report |
| 09:44.36 | glengarry | yes, I'll try to report this. wonder if it should be about nautilus or totem |
| 09:44.45 | Gnea | no, but it should have enough of a backend to say "hey, i don't know what to do with that so i'll generate a message about it rather than crashing hard" |
| 09:45.10 | Guerin | but it doesn't, because you don't want to show users nasty error messages |
| 09:45.14 | Guerin | typically gnome |
| 09:45.20 | Gnea | i wasn't aware that totem handled shockwave flash |
| 09:45.23 | Guerin | like the old mac bomb |
| 09:45.32 | glengarry | me niether |
| 09:45.55 | glengarry | I'll report this against nautilus then. |
| 09:46.03 | Gnea | good deal |
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| 09:46.17 | glengarry | though I wonder if it isn't also the fault of the totem package for registring as a mime handler for swf files, isn't it? |
| 09:46.31 | Gnea | no no |
| 09:46.35 | Gnea | totem is the app |
| 09:46.42 | Gnea | nautilus handles all that registration bs |
| 09:46.56 | glengarry | ok, so it's nautilus |
| 09:47.02 | Gnea | riht |
| 09:47.03 | Gnea | right |
| 09:47.12 | xrgtn | Ugly_Duck: did you look into /var/log/auth.log? |
| 09:47.12 | glengarry | thanks for the support. Have to go to supper now. |
| 09:47.18 | Gnea | good luck |
| 09:47.23 | glengarry | cheers. |
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| 09:47.39 | Gnea | wow |
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| 09:49.01 | karl | where can I take an old deb - evolution 1.4 |
| 09:49.16 | Gnea | to the dump! |
| 09:49.17 | xelam` | you can take it wherever you like |
| 09:49.20 | xelam` | :D |
| 09:49.24 | Gnea | hehe |
| 09:49.26 | Guerin | karl: snapshot.debian.net - but your deps will probably be broken unless you build from source |
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| 09:49.37 | Guerin | NIMBY |
| 09:49.45 | Guerin | i presume you mean 'get' |
| 09:49.51 | Ugly_Duck | xrgtn: i can log into the machine at the console.. with my user name and password.. but sshd is reporting that i have entered an incorrect passwrd |
| 09:50.12 | xrgtn | yes, and what's in auth.log? |
| 09:50.32 | Ugly_Duck | thats what its saying |
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| 09:50.38 | Ugly_Duck | failed password |
| 09:50.56 | xrgtn | hah! locale? |
| 09:50.58 | streuner | Ugly_Duck: still no luck? |
| 09:51.08 | Ugly_Duck | stranger: nah, still not working |
| 09:51.17 | Ugly_Duck | might download an older version of ssh and try it |
| 09:51.23 | streuner | Ugly_Duck: comment the line in sshd_config 'Use Pam' |
| 09:51.31 | Ugly_Duck | stranger: ok |
| 09:51.41 | streuner | streuner please :-) |
| 09:51.50 | Ugly_Duck | ewps.. sorry |
| 09:51.51 | Guerin | he's not that strange |
| 09:52.17 | streuner | and run '/etc/init.d/ssh reload |
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| 09:52.43 | kevinz | i use programs, e.g. "qt-designer", both under debian and win32, but i feel the interface/version in win32 is more neatly but the one in debian is crowded.. how can i adjust it similar to the feel of looks in win32? |
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| 09:53.05 | Guerin | kevinz: #kde |
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| 09:53.31 | Gnea | kevinz: there are many different window managers available |
| 09:53.37 | kevinz | Guerin: ah, so you mean it just related to kde environment? |
| 09:53.40 | DotHack | when i insert my usb2 hard with the ehci_hcd module loaded my eth1 stopts function and i get an irq 193 error does anybody know what this is?? |
| 09:53.56 | xrgtn | Ugly_Duck: there should be smth. like "PAM: Authentication failure for userXXX from hostXXX" in auth logwhen you type wrong pwd and use PAM |
| 09:53.58 | Ugly_Duck | nope.. still saying access denied |
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| 09:54.09 | Ugly_Duck | xrgtn: ok, i'll go check again |
| 09:54.11 | kevinz | Gnea: so it has nothing to do with the screen resolution or font settings in X11? |
| 09:54.18 | Guerin | kevinz: probably. |
| 09:54.27 | Gnea | kevinz: many of them can mimic both, Enlightenment can mimic the feel quite well but the look is a different manner... |
| 09:54.45 | Gnea | kevinz: no, it's all about how the windows that are drawn and placed are 'managed' |
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| 09:55.18 | Gnea | kevinz: having a lot of virtual desktops tends to help matters too |
| 09:55.37 | Gnea | win32 locks you into one desktop |
| 09:55.56 | Xsquared | Guerin: where should i create the file "smtpd.conf" and how does it know to look there? |
| 09:56.05 | Gnea | so you gotta minimize most of yer shit |
| 09:56.18 | Guerin | Xsquared: my crystal ball tells me this is a postfix/sasl question? |
| 09:56.31 | Xsquared | Guerin: yeah |
| 09:56.32 | Gnea | it's so .. inefficient |
| 09:56.47 | kevinz | Gnea: oh, yeah, but for qtdesigner i just want to have more free space to handle. So should i ask for help in #kde then? |
| 09:57.08 | Gnea | kevinz: what do you mean by 'free space' exactly? |
| 09:57.10 | Xsquared | Guerin: im following the how-to .. line by line. it still doesn't work |
| 09:57.18 | Guerin | Xsquared: /etc/postfix/sasl/smtpd.conf |
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| 09:57.30 | Guerin | Xsquared: that is hard-coded into sasl, afaik |
| 09:57.36 | Gnea | kevinz: are you referring to desktop real estate, disk drive space...? |
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| 09:57.54 | Guerin | jethro: I wouldn't, if I were you |
| 09:57.58 | jethro | hard coding values is the root of all sins |
| 09:57.59 | kevinz | Gnea: sorry, desktop real estate |
| 09:58.14 | jethro | Guerin: I already lost my mind |
| 09:58.31 | Guerin | jethro: oh, I should have known that. |
| 09:58.39 | jethro | :) |
| 09:58.49 | aigarius | I'm getting an obscure exim4 error here. it fails to start with "Exim configuration error in line 301 of /var/lib/exim4/config.autogenerated: group mail was not found" error. Group mail exists ("id mail" and "getent group mail" confirm that). Any ideas? |
| 09:59.00 | Gnea | kevinz: ok then you probably want something that will give you a larger virtual desktop - that way you can take your applications and place them all over the place and simply scroll the mouse to the edge of the screen to have it 'float' over to the next part of the desktop? |
| 09:59.23 | Xsquared | Gnea: i love that feature |
| 09:59.31 | Xsquared | Gnea: = kickass desktop |
| 09:59.40 | Gnea | Xsquared: yes, and i miss it too, i use E17 now |
| 09:59.50 | tosh| | where do I get the 3dmd daemon? |
| 09:59.55 | Sooty | Anyone seen Sweep ? |
| 09:59.56 | caphuso | aigarius: well, soeone or something trashed your /etc/group |
| 10:00.05 | Ugly_Duck | xrgtn: its not logging much at all.. |
| 10:00.23 | Gnea | Sooty: what about it? |
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| 10:00.26 | streuner | Ugly_Duck: you have still the woody lines in sources.list? |
| 10:00.28 | jethro | is e18 started yet? |
| 10:00.39 | aigarius | caphuso: it seams to be fine and "id mail" and "getent group mail" work as expected |
| 10:00.48 | Gnea | jethro: it's a 'thought' right now |
| 10:01.11 | caphuso | aigarius: what GID does your mail group have? |
| 10:01.12 | jethro | Gnea: how bout e17, will there a release someday? |
| 10:01.19 | aigarius | caphuso: 8 |
| 10:01.26 | Gnea | jethro: someday, yes. it's actually making progress now. |
| 10:01.28 | caphuso | aigarius: hrm, then it's indeed weird |
| 10:01.29 | kevinz | Gnea: oooh, seems a powerful tool. |
| 10:01.47 | Gnea | kevinz: E16 would be up your alley then |
| 10:02.07 | jethro | Gnea: you mean it's being active again? I recall reading about e17 like 2 3 years ago maybe more |
| 10:02.07 | Ugly_Duck | stranger: no, sarge/testing |
| 10:02.08 | Gnea | kevinz: make sure to install some themes too |
| 10:02.09 | caphuso | aigarius: what's that line 301 saying? |
| 10:02.27 | aigarius | caphuso: I googled for one occurence of this error and that was "solved" by substituting 'mail' for '8' :( |
| 10:02.33 | Gnea | jethro: heh, it was a loooooooong roadmap and has been active in that time |
| 10:02.34 | Guerin | eew, recommending enlightenment to a kde user who wants kde to be more like windows? |
| 10:02.37 | aigarius | caphuso: "groups = mail" |
| 10:02.37 | Guerin | are you guys insane? |
| 10:02.43 | Ugly_Duck | maybe libssl0.9.7 is bad |
| 10:02.49 | jethro | Gnea: heh |
| 10:02.52 | Gnea | Guerin: you've never used it have you |
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| 10:03.02 | ryke | re |
| 10:03.05 | ZaFiL | Hy |
| 10:03.05 | Guerin | Gnea: i have tried |
| 10:03.10 | Shorty` | ffs |
| 10:03.11 | Gnea | jethro: but i'm using it now, it's quite 'the shit' :) |
| 10:03.12 | Shorty` | I give up |
| 10:03.13 | caphuso | aigarius: hrm, did you try something funny, like chrooting exim? |
| 10:03.13 | Guerin | maybe 18 months ago |
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| 10:03.17 | ryke | anybody know what language linus' GIT is written in? |
| 10:03.17 | Shorty` | how do you burn cds now |
| 10:03.18 | jethro | Gnea: I ll give it a try |
| 10:03.22 | ZaFiL | a big question for you please ... |
| 10:03.23 | ZaFiL | Hi guys ... First: sorry for my bad english, i'm a french guy and nobody on #debian-fr can answer me ... My probleme : When i scan my computer with nmap as that ; nmap localhost i found 2 listening ports which are called "unknow" and i found juste one when I scan with my IP. I try to end this two jobs, but netstat -l -p | grep "port number" doesn't reveals any PID: so the question : How to find which jobs are running whith this po |
| 10:03.23 | ZaFiL | rts and, how to close them. Tank you :) |
| 10:03.26 | Shorty` | seeing as everythings arse about now? |
| 10:03.29 | Guerin | ryke: if I know linus, plain C |
| 10:03.39 | Guerin | ryke: but that's a pure guess |
| 10:03.40 | jethro | ZaFiL: netstat -anp --inet |
| 10:03.49 | Shorty` | ZaFiL : check /etc/inetd.conf ? |
| 10:03.49 | Gnea | ZaFiL: netstat -nap |
| 10:04.04 | jethro | ZaFiL: or use lsof |
| 10:04.12 | ryke | Guerin: would be characteristic for him :) |
| 10:04.16 | Guerin | ZaFiL: your english is exceptional |
| 10:04.17 | Shorty` | so no-one here knows what the "proper" way to burn cds now is? |
| 10:04.20 | aigarius | caphuso: nope - I was just restoring data from mailman and postgresql on the server when exim broke. there were no changes to users, groups or exim config |
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| 10:04.35 | Guerin | Shorty`: now, as opposed to when? |
| 10:04.45 | Shorty` | cdrecord just barfs bitching about how 2.6 has changed such and such andrah rah rah |
| 10:04.50 | ZaFiL | oh fuck ... i found a "net card (?!) " which is called sit0 and i have NO sit0 on my computer ... |
| 10:04.55 | aigarius | Shorty`: right-click and 'burn to cd' ? :) |
| 10:04.59 | caphuso | aigarius: and you're using a plain old boring /etc/{passwd,shadow,group} setup? |
| 10:05.00 | Guerin | Shorty`: use ide-cd instead of ide-scsi |
| 10:05.06 | Shorty` | ZaFiL : that's a tunnel device.. virtual |
| 10:05.10 | aigarius | caphuso: yep |
| 10:05.13 | Gnea | Guerin: in fact, E16 can provide both of those features through the creation of many virtual desktops and in the config menu there's a way to change the behavior to that of windows (it's literally labeled as such!) |
| 10:05.15 | Shorty` | Guerin : ah, right.. I'm guessing it's done that automatically. |
| 10:05.23 | Guerin | !guess |
| 10:05.23 | dpkg | methinks guess is a hypothesis based on nothing |
| 10:05.28 | ZaFiL | ok ... i thought it was an wirelesse card. |
| 10:05.31 | jethro | ZaFiL: that v6inv4 tunnel |
| 10:05.34 | ZaFiL | s/an/a |
| 10:05.40 | Shorty` | nope, actually ide-cd is loaded |
| 10:05.43 | caphuso | aigarius: and nothing but exim fails? |
| 10:05.46 | Shorty` | how do I make sure it's taken effect>? |
| 10:06.00 | Guerin | taken effect? it's loaded, it's taken effect. |
| 10:06.08 | Guerin | Shorty`: are you root? |
| 10:06.12 | Shorty` | Guerin: of course |
| 10:06.14 | aigarius | caphuso: no, everithing else works and restarts fine |
| 10:06.15 | xrgtn | Ugly_Duck: did you tried to type wrong passwd explicitly? BTW, what's E18? |
| 10:06.25 | Shorty` | do yo uhave to specify a device like ide-scsi used to? |
| 10:06.31 | Guerin | i dunno |
| 10:06.39 | aigarius | Shorty`: do you have scsi-cd in the kernel? |
| 10:06.41 | Guerin | cd writing has always Just Worked for me |
| 10:06.42 | Gnea | xrgtn: E18 is a figmant of your imagination. |
| 10:06.51 | Shorty` | aigarius: standard kernel that came with sarge netinst |
| 10:06.55 | ZaFiL | Shorty_, cheking /etc/inetd.conf releave no application associated to this two ports. |
| 10:06.56 | Shorty` | I haven't bothered recompiling yet |
| 10:07.06 | Shorty` | ZaFiL |
| 10:07.09 | Shorty` | eek |
| 10:07.16 | Shorty` | ZaFiL: what actual ports are running? |
| 10:07.17 | Ugly_Duck | xrgtn: yea, i tried a different password.. E18? |
| 10:07.37 | ZaFiL | 662 & 649 (but that change when i reboot) |
| 10:07.51 | aigarius | Shorty`: try modprobing scsi-cd and the specify -dev /dev/hdc or similar to cdrecord |
| 10:07.53 | xrgtn | resualt are the same? |
| 10:08.04 | xrgtn | and the same in auth.log? |
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| 10:08.15 | Shorty` | aigarius it's already loaded.. |
| 10:08.18 | Shorty` | hold 2 seconds |
| 10:08.24 | caphuso | aigarius: and it is a debian packaged exim, not something self compiled? |
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| 10:08.32 | ZaFiL | to be cool, i run chkrootkit nad it found no application (ouf) |
| 10:08.45 | aigarius | caphuso: jep, plain Debian sid stuff |
| 10:09.00 | jethro | ZaFiL: and what do lsof and netstat -anp report? |
| 10:09.05 | Guerin | ZaFiL: and you can't see what program is listening on them using netstat? |
| 10:09.20 | Guerin | also try telnetting to them, see what they say |
| 10:09.26 | Shorty` | mm |
| 10:09.27 | Shorty` | cdrecord: DMA speed too slow (OK for 12x). Cannot write at speed 24x. |
| 10:09.30 | Shorty` | eh? :) |
| 10:09.32 | ZaFiL | netstat -and | grep 662 -> tcp 0 0 0.0.0.0:662 0.0.0.0:* LISTEN - |
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| 10:09.39 | Guerin | ZaFiL: be root |
| 10:09.47 | Shorty` | weird.. :/ |
| 10:09.50 | Guerin | it should tell you the PID |
| 10:09.52 | Ugly_Duck | xrgtn: well, it doesn't seem to say any thing in the auth.log |
| 10:09.54 | ZaFiL | ahh |
| 10:09.55 | jethro | ZaFiL: an*p* and as root |
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| 10:10.08 | Ugly_Duck | xrgtn: when i say any thing.. i mean nothing for sshd |
| 10:10.18 | Shorty` | nevermind, manually set DMA :) |
| 10:10.20 | caphuso | aigarius: wait, what permissions do you have on /etc/group? |
| 10:10.23 | ZaFiL | the pid is : rpc.statd |
| 10:10.25 | xrgtn | Ugly_Duck: so, results are the same? And how much times does sshd ask for passwd? |
| 10:10.36 | jethro | ZaFiL: then apt-get remove portmap |
| 10:10.38 | Guerin | that's an NFS service governed by hosts.* |
| 10:10.41 | jethro | ZaFiL: unless you need it |
| 10:10.48 | xrgtn | Ugly_Duck: and is there anything about e.g. pam_unix in auth.log |
| 10:10.49 | aigarius | caphuso: you are genius, tnx |
| 10:10.52 | Guerin | if you have hosts.deny locked down, you should be ok. |
| 10:10.54 | ZaFiL | what is portmap ? |
| 10:11.01 | jethro | ZaFiL: heard of RPC? |
| 10:11.02 | Guerin | it maps ports for NFS. |
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| 10:11.05 | aigarius | caphuso: it was 600 :P |
| 10:11.07 | jethro | Guerin: not only :) |
| 10:11.07 | caphuso | aigarius: you've messed with root's umask, didn't you? |
| 10:11.09 | Ugly_Duck | xrgtn: for email, not for sshd |
| 10:11.15 | ZaFiL | sorry jethro i don't understand |
| 10:11.42 | aigarius | caphuso: seams so |
| 10:11.48 | Ugly_Duck | xrgtn: it continually asks for a password |
| 10:11.58 | xrgtn | Ugly_Duck: 1) is there /etc/pam.d/ssh* |
| 10:11.59 | jethro | ZaFiL: you need to read about remote procedure calls on unix |
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| 10:11.59 | Shorty` | anyone ever done ethernet bonding with intel cards before? |
| 10:12.10 | ZaFiL | jethro, it could be :) |
| 10:12.18 | Ugly_Duck | xrgtn: i'll go check |
| 10:12.26 | jethro | ZaFiL: anyways, unless you use NFS or some other RPC, which I highly doubt, you can remove this package, or just not have it started at boot time |
| 10:12.27 | xrgtn | Ugly_Duck: 2) after last prompt, what does it say? (my says Permission denied (publickey,password,keyboard-interactive).) |
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| 10:13.04 | ZaFiL | Ok : thanks to all of you :) my probleme is solved :D |
| 10:13.09 | Guerin | does fam still need some rpc services open? |
| 10:13.12 | HolyGoat | hmm.. it looks like the default workgroup in smb.conf is "localdomai". I assume this is a spelling error? |
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| 10:13.27 | Ugly_Duck | xrgtn: yeah, there is a pam.d/ssh |
| 10:13.29 | ZaFiL | nmap reveals no application running as "unknow" |
| 10:13.29 | Ugly_Duck | ugly@192.168.1.1's password: |
| 10:13.29 | Ugly_Duck | Access denied |
| 10:13.38 | HolyGoat | heh |
| 10:13.47 | streuner | Ugly_Duck: heh? |
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| 10:14.01 | jethro | ZaFiL: don't blindly trust what nmap says |
| 10:14.04 | streuner | Ugly_Duck: 192.168.1.1? |
| 10:14.13 | Ugly_Duck | stranger: lan |
| 10:14.24 | Ugly_Duck | streuner |
| 10:14.31 | Ugly_Duck | damm nick completion |
| 10:14.32 | streuner | Ugly_Duck: that's usually your hardware-router... |
| 10:14.34 | jethro | ZaFiL: unless you use the service discovery feature, nmap will use a static file to map port numbers to services names |
| 10:14.38 | ZaFiL | jethro, i don't have to trust in nmap ? |
| 10:14.46 | Ugly_Duck | streuner: i use a linux box |
| 10:14.57 | Ugly_Duck | not hardware |
| 10:14.57 | jethro | ZaFiL: trust it for the open ports, not for the services running, unless you do some active service detection |
| 10:15.09 | streuner | Ugly_Duck: as router? |
| 10:15.15 | Ugly_Duck | stealth: yeah |
| 10:15.25 | streuner | Ugly_Duck: what IP has the box? |
| 10:15.28 | Ugly_Duck | damm.. |
| 10:15.37 | Ugly_Duck | streuner: 192.168.1.1 |
| 10:15.38 | jethro | ZaFiL: let's say I run a ftpd on port 80, if you don't enable service discovery, nmap will report 80/tcp open, and name the servcice as http |
| 10:15.48 | ZaFiL | ok |
| 10:15.48 | xrgtn | Ugly_Duck: you can just use 3-line pam.d/ssh (with @include common-{auth|account|session}) |
| 10:15.53 | xrgtn | for tests |
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| 10:16.08 | jes-o-mat | hi |
| 10:16.10 | Ugly_Duck | k..brb |
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| 10:16.23 | amorphix | hi guys |
| 10:16.34 | ZaFiL | it was the reason why it wasn't able to answer me on the running job behind the two ports... nice to you to answer me :) |
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| 10:16.45 | jes-o-mat | Is there a way to create/remove a DNS zone in bind9 via rndc? |
| 10:16.47 | jethro | ZaFiL: try the service discovery then :) |
| 10:16.51 | tombs | hi ppl |
| 10:16.57 | ZaFiL | Now, in France, it's time to eat, so I've to go :) |
| 10:17.01 | Guerin | !ppl |
| 10:17.01 | dpkg | I'd like to buy two vowels please. I'll have an E and an O. [If you mean people, it's not that hard to type.], or <Guerin> parts per litre? how many? |
| 10:17.04 | jethro | ZaFiL: can't recall the switch to use, on top of my head, but man nmap should help |
| 10:17.07 | Guerin | woah |
| 10:17.13 | Guerin | someone added me to that factoid |
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| 10:17.18 | ZaFiL | of course |
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| 10:17.42 | Ugly_Duck | xrgtn: nope.. dont work |
| 10:17.43 | jethro | Guerin: fame whore :) |
| 10:17.52 | streuner | !factinfo ppl |
| 10:17.53 | dpkg | ppl -- last modified at Wed Jan 19 06:27:34 2005 by ApEtc!apetc@ip68-99-136-197.ph.ph.cox.net; it has been requested 8 times, last by Guerin, 50s ago. |
| 10:18.01 | Guerin | !listvals Guerin |
| 10:18.03 | dpkg | Factoid search of 'Guerin' by value (15 of 18): ewe ;; flw27 ;; ftlog ;; groupthink ;; mitrick ;; qotd103 ;; qotd12 ;; qotd14 ;; qotd16 ;; qotd18 ;; qotd84 ;; rfc2212 ;; rochambeau ;; sarge pool 4 ;; under redhat. |
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| 10:18.18 | Guerin | wtf, there are uber of them |
| 10:18.29 | Jon | heh |
| 10:18.39 | amorphix | I'm about to compile a driver module for my Wacom graphics tablet into kernel, but the config says i need to install kernel-headers-* or specify a source tree... is this a risky procedure? |
| 10:18.42 | VinNafte | hola every week a 'reboot' is performed. But how do make it start all that was running by the correct users befor reboot ? |
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| 10:18.53 | xrgtn | Ugly_Duck: you disabled PAM for sshd in its config recently. Didn't you? |
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| 10:18.55 | Guerin | VinNafte: man update-rc.d |
| 10:19.02 | idnar | !rfc2212 |
| 10:19.03 | dpkg | methinks rfc2212 is Specification of Guaranteed Quality of Service. S. Shenker, C. Partridge, R. Guerin. September 1997. (Format: TXT=52330 bytes) (Status: PROPOSED STANDARD) |
| 10:19.15 | idnar | heh |
| 10:19.16 | directhex|work | !listvals directhex |
| 10:19.17 | Ugly_Duck | xrgtn: i uncommented it again after i tested it |
| 10:19.18 | dpkg | Factoid search of 'directhex' by value (4): sarge pool 4 ;; works on 2.6 ;; bestfornoobs ;; magic hate ball. |
| 10:19.21 | jethro | !rfc2307 |
| 10:19.45 | directhex|work | amorphix, apt-get install kernel-headers-$(uname -r) |
| 10:19.46 | xrgtn | Ugly_Duck: has anything new appeared in auth.log? |
| 10:19.49 | gianni11 | hi |
| 10:20.02 | xrgtn | Ugly_Duck: I want to ensure that PAM _is_ working |
| 10:20.04 | jethro | !lart openldap for breaking pola |
| 10:20.17 | amorphix | directhex|work many thanks |
| 10:20.33 | Ugly_Duck | xrgtn: there are comments in there for email.. but none for sshd |
| 10:20.43 | Ugly_Duck | do i have to enable debugging mode or some thing |
| 10:20.56 | Giovanni | hi |
| 10:20.58 | xrgtn | sh.t |
| 10:21.38 | xrgtn | Ugly_Duck: is it regular sshd, not in chroot etc? |
| 10:22.03 | xrgtn | Ugly_Duck: there should be smth in PAM for debug, I don't remember |
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| 10:22.08 | Ugly_Duck | xrgtn: the lastest sshd from debian.paradise.net.nz so i doubt its a chroot version |
| 10:22.16 | azuroth | hey debian, take this! |
| 10:22.16 | azuroth | http://cgi.ebay.com.au/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&category=20387&item=8185091549&rd=1&ssPageName=WDVW |
| 10:22.50 | xrgtn | Ugly_Duck: I don't know what's debian.paradise.net.nz, maybe their sshd is built without PAM at all |
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| 10:23.11 | Ugly_Duck | xrgtn: i might remove it again.. and try another mirror.. |
| 10:23.25 | streuner | azuroth: what a crap :-) |
| 10:23.25 | Ugly_Duck | brb |
| 10:23.34 | xrgtn | Ugly_Duck: it's a mirror? Then nevermind |
| 10:23.36 | azuroth | the xbux? |
| 10:23.57 | streuner | azuroth: those xboxes have an 700 Mhz CPU with nvidia card |
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| 10:24.22 | azuroth | that's about as good as this machine |
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| 10:24.30 | Guerin | and 64MB ram |
| 10:24.39 | streuner | wow |
| 10:24.40 | azuroth | but that one isn't an xbox, it's an xbux. xbux == superioir |
| 10:25.00 | buu | azuroth: Do they cost more? |
| 10:25.23 | Guerin | from the page: The Microtronix XBux is a Microsoft XBox with logos stuck on. |
| 10:25.31 | Guerin | so, no, it's not better. |
| 10:25.38 | Guerin | but it probably costs more |
| 10:25.41 | azuroth | nah, and you pay for less dead kittens with a microtronik xbux |
| 10:26.11 | directhex|work | kittens must have been bad at some stage in their lives |
| 10:26.21 | Guerin | directhex|work: you lie! |
| 10:26.25 | Guerin | kiteen hater! |
| 10:26.33 | Ugly_Duck | WAHOO!!! its the version of ssh |
| 10:26.35 | Guerin | s/e/t/ |
| 10:26.35 | azuroth | not bad enough to die at the hands of evil, evil microsfot |
| 10:26.46 | Ugly_Duck | using the version from security.debian and its working now |
| 10:26.55 | resiak | !directhex|work++ |
| 10:27.04 | azuroth | five e? |
| 10:27.06 | Guerin | Ugly_Duck: heh. I reckon the version you had was more secure. |
| 10:27.11 | directhex|work | five e. |
| 10:27.12 | streuner | Ugly_Duck: well, that's from woody then |
| 10:27.19 | azuroth | cool |
| 10:27.43 | streuner | Ugly_Duck: dpkg -l ssh |
| 10:28.05 | xrgtn | Ugly_Duck: instead of @include just use "{account|auth|session} required pam_unix.so debug" 3 lines in pam.d/ssh |
| 10:28.11 | Ugly_Duck | streuner: yea.. woody |
| 10:28.11 | xrgtn | for debug |
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| 10:28.58 | Xsquared | Guerin: in my mail log it has this error: warning: premature end-of-input on private/rewrite socket while reading input attribute name. Any idea of what that means? |
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| 10:29.04 | azuroth | what do you guys think of ubuntu? |
| 10:29.12 | Xsquared | Guerin: in my mail log it has this error: warning: premature end-of-input on private/rewrite socket while reading input attribute name. Any idea of what that means? |
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| 10:29.22 | amorphix | hi, im getting an error when trying to compile module driver, can anyone help? error is: |
| 10:29.22 | Ugly_Duck | xrgtn: ahh.. okies |
| 10:29.24 | amorphix | make: dh_testdir: Command not found |
| 10:29.24 | amorphix | make: *** [clean-common] Error 127 |
| 10:29.32 | amorphix | i need a compiler? |
| 10:29.33 | Guerin | azuroth: I think people interested in it should ask questions in #ubuntu |
| 10:29.57 | Xsquared | ubuntu: a diseased distro |
| 10:29.58 | Guerin | amorphix: you need devscripts or something similar |
| 10:30.02 | amorphix | Warning: kernel headers don't match running Linux version. |
| 10:30.08 | amorphix | also said that |
| 10:30.08 | directhex|work | !b-e amorphix |
| 10:30.10 | dpkg | amorphix: Sounds like you need to install build-essential. |
| 10:30.17 | amorphix | ahh |
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| 10:30.43 | azuroth | oh, I was just wondering if you all hated it. I read something about ubuntu's packages not being compatible with debian's, or something... :x |
| 10:30.45 | Guerin | Xsquared: looks like some daemon can't talk to some other daemon. Check your master.cf |
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| 10:30.49 | osiris_22 | where the hell do i get the net instyall for debaian |
| 10:30.55 | osiris_22 | i jsut ahd the file |
| 10:30.56 | directhex|work | !d-i osiris_22 |
| 10:30.57 | dpkg | osiris_22, you want to go to http://www.debian.org/devel/debian-installer/ - for your own good, and everyone else's. |
| 10:31.05 | amorphix | directhex|work: how can my kernal source headers not match the running kernel? |
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| 10:31.17 | Guerin | Xsquared: google on that one, I haven't seen it. Also ask in #postfix - Chris Haas, the author of that howto, lurks there. |
| 10:31.18 | Xsquared | Guerin: in my mail log it has this error: warning: premature end-of-input on private/rewrite socket while reading input attribute name. Any idea of what that means? sorry if u got this message twice already |
| 10:31.26 | Xsquared | ok, thanks |
| 10:31.27 | Guerin | ffs |
| 10:31.28 | directhex|work | amorphix, that depends what your running kernel version is, and where you're telling things to look for headers |
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| 10:31.43 | amorphix | directhex|work: but i used the uname command you gave me |
| 10:31.47 | Xsquared | my wireless router is playing up and keeps dropping me |
| 10:31.49 | Ugly_Duck | xrgtn: i'm not sure i wana upgrade it now.. since its working |
| 10:32.09 | directhex|work | sigh |
| 10:32.12 | directhex|work | amorphix, what does uname -r say |
| 10:32.28 | amorphix | directhex|work: 2.4.27-2-386 |
| 10:32.30 | directhex|work | amorphix, and where is your funny driver looking for headers/source |
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| 10:33.01 | amorphix | directhex|work: /usr/src/kernel-headers-2.4.27-2-386 |
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| 10:33.51 | directhex|work | amorphix, those should match. |
| 10:34.02 | amorphix | directhex|work: i have two folders for kernel headers, the other is same ver but doesnt have -386 |
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| 10:34.23 | amorphix | i think its a symbolic link to the other maybe |
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| 10:36.50 | amorphix | i have no clue why it isnt working :-/ |
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| 10:38.16 | amorphix | can anyone help with this error: |
| 10:38.19 | amorphix | Building wacom modules for Linux 2.4.27-2 (this may take a few minutes)... |
| 10:38.19 | amorphix | dh_testdir |
| 10:38.19 | amorphix | make: dh_testdir: Command not found |
| 10:38.19 | amorphix | make: *** [clean-common] Error 127 |
| 10:38.20 | Xsquared | Guerin: ok, that error isn't coming up anymore but this error is: SASL authentication failure: cannot connect to Courier authdaemond: No such file or directory. Where is the directory for this? isn't it inside /var/run ? |
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| 10:38.37 | amorphix | oops |
| 10:38.51 | streuner | !find dh_testdir |
| 10:38.56 | caphuso | amorphix: 1) don't flood. and 2) which part of "dh_testdir: command not found" are you not understanding? |
| 10:39.00 | amorphix | sorry |
| 10:39.10 | JarJarBinks | how would I tell a package maintainer about an error in the dependencies? |
| 10:39.11 | dpkg | Debian Search of 'dh_testdir' (1): (/usr/bin/dh_testdir) in devel/debhelper. |
| 10:39.18 | amorphix | caphuso: the reason why it's not found |
| 10:39.20 | caphuso | JarJarBinks: fie a bug |
| 10:39.29 | caphuso | amorphix: because you don't have it. duh |
| 10:39.35 | caphuso | JarJarBinks: err, file a bug |
| 10:39.35 | amorphix | how do i get it? |
| 10:39.44 | caphuso | amorphix: /msg dpkg search |
| 10:39.50 | JarJarBinks | caphuso: it would be on www.debian.org? |
| 10:39.56 | amorphix | which package do i need? |
| 10:40.00 | caphuso | JarJarBinks: install reportbug |
| 10:40.02 | amorphix | i installed base-essential |
| 10:40.08 | caphuso | amorphix: /msg dpkg search |
| 10:40.10 | JarJarBinks | caphuso: ahh :) thanks |
| 10:40.16 | amorphix | caphuso thanks |
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| 10:41.57 | caphuso | !qotd47 |
| 10:41.58 | dpkg | extra, extra, read all about it, qotd47 is <g4lt> okay, in a fit of complete irony, reportbug is puking on upgrade |
| 10:42.00 | amorphix | caphuso: thanks that did the trick, very useful |
| 10:43.18 | JarJarBinks | caphuso: that was a clever way to file bug reports :) --- (it was already listed) |
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| 10:45.05 | amorphix | Can anyone tell me.... if i install a driver module for my Wacom graphics tablet, after it's setup and working, will it be easy to switch back to mouse without changing anything? would it just be a case of unplugging tablet and plugging in mouse and booting? |
| 10:45.36 | Kjeldsen | i'm trying to install j2eesdk but it needs libstdc++-libc6.2-2. After doing apt-get update I can only get version 6. Do I need another source for getting this newer version? |
| 10:45.42 | streuner | Ugly_Duck: out of interest, wtf did you change in order to get that working now? :-) |
| 10:46.19 | Delph | Kjeldsen: you're probably best off getting the sun version and installing that </advice> |
| 10:46.19 | Ugly_Duck | streuner: well, i un-installed it.. installed a woody version.. then simply apt-get upgrade and it upgraded it.. then it started working |
| 10:46.20 | Ugly_Duck | weird |
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| 10:46.44 | streuner | Ugly_Duck: You are playing with sshd_config... |
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| 10:46.57 | streuner | s/playing/played/ |
| 10:47.12 | Kjeldsen | it is the Sun version but it complains about libstdc++-libc6.2-2 missing |
| 10:47.14 | Ugly_Duck | stranger: just changed the permitroot login to NO and thats it |
| 10:48.26 | amorphix | caphuso: still getting that Error 127 :-/ |
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| 10:49.28 | streuner | Ugly_Duck: so its not that 'weird' ;-) |
| 10:49.59 | amorphix | whats the recommended minimum hdd size for Debian + X? |
| 10:50.12 | amorphix | I'm running on a 5GB partition and fear i may run out of space |
| 10:50.15 | directhex|work | amorphix, you want a window manager with that? |
| 10:50.18 | amorphix | yes |
| 10:50.26 | directhex|work | amorphix, twm good enough? |
| 10:50.27 | amorphix | im using kde atm |
| 10:50.32 | streuner | uhm |
| 10:50.52 | directhex|work | amorphix, 5gb is fine for debian and kde. you're looking at about a 1gb install maximum |
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| 10:50.59 | xrgtn | Ugly_Duck: I suspect problems with libpam0g |
| 10:51.00 | amorphix | cool |
| 10:51.08 | Ugly_Duck | xrgtn: ahhh.. ok |
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| 10:52.03 | amorphix | ok my module is compiling now |
| 10:52.06 | amorphix | wish me luck guys |
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| 10:52.30 | xrgtn | Ugly_Duck: I means sshd <-> libpam problems, but maybe sshd's own |
| 10:52.31 | directhex|work | !luck |
| 10:52.31 | dpkg | luck is, like, what you dont have. |
| 10:52.32 | PitchForkLinux | Morning all. anyone know of an article/how to for adding new hard drives in an lvm2 configuration? |
| 10:52.32 | amorphix | i dunno why the module source didnt pick up the dependencies? thats what caused the error 127 |
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| 10:52.37 | amorphix | :D |
| 10:52.53 | Ugly_Duck | xrgtn: right.. it had to be some thing.. because its working now.. |
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| 10:55.09 | Om | Any ideas on how I can get my laptop screen to go off when I close it? :) ACPI is recognising that it's being closed (I can see it with acpi_listen), but it doesn't do anything :) |
| 10:55.46 | xrgtn | ought to check `lsof -c sshd` and look whether there are pam_xxx.so loaded |
| 10:55.58 | xrgtn | Now it's late |
| 10:56.14 | Om | There seems to be a script in /etc/acpi/actions/lm_lid.sh, but I don't know what I can pout in there, if anything |
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| 11:00.50 | streuner | xrgtn: woody version doesn't use PAM |
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| 11:02.35 | xrgtn | ;) |
| 11:03.01 | xrgtn | do you have libpam properly installed and working? |
| 11:03.20 | xrgtn | libpam0g, libpam-modules and libpam-runtime? |
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| 11:03.36 | t3c0 | heyho.. |
| 11:03.58 | liable | Om: look in the acpi logs, to see if the script produces errors |
| 11:04.16 | xrgtn | I suspect that ipt_ROUTE.c only exists in patch-o-matic |
| 11:04.40 | xrgtn | well, then how do I load that separate module from there? |
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| 11:05.32 | Om | Maybe it's more in laptop-mode than in acpi, all that shows in the log is "Laptop mode already started, not restarting" |
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| 11:06.46 | liable | Om: thats after closing the lid, you see that in the log? |
| 11:07.37 | xrgtn | Ok, nobody answered, so I load the whole .tar.bz2 to read README etc. |
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| 11:08.20 | Om | http://81.6.252.165:8888/acpi.txt |
| 11:08.26 | Om | That's the log output. |
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| 11:09.47 | liable | Om: well, that script looks like all its doing is starting laptop mode, whats in the script, what laptop? |
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| 11:10.29 | Om | http://81.6.252.165:8888/lid.sh.txt |
| 11:10.35 | Om | Dell Latitude C600 |
| 11:10.51 | cockroach | Om: you might want to put some acpi sleep command in there |
| 11:11.04 | Zambba | Hmm.. I have a "user problem" with my Debian computer. I found out that all userscan modify all files, not just their own.. How could I let people change files only on their home directories? :/ |
| 11:11.24 | Zambba | So problem is they has too much rights.. :\ |
| 11:11.28 | Shadur | Zambba: What the HELL did you do to cause that? |
| 11:11.43 | Zambba | I have default settings on.. I think so |
| 11:11.48 | Shadur | No way. |
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| 11:12.50 | Shadur | Default permissions explicitly do not allow for that kind of insanity. Either you've been r00ted at some point and this was their calling card, or you hideously mistyped a chmod command somewhere along the line. |
| 11:13.28 | Zambba | hmm.. |
| 11:14.00 | Om | So, is there a command I can add to the script which will just turn off the screen? :) |
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| 11:14.16 | Om | I don't want it to sleep, just turn off it's screen :) |
| 11:14.47 | liable | Om: most probably, a quick search revealed no immediate answers, have a good look yourself |
| 11:15.01 | Om | Ah well, thanks :) |
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| 11:16.08 | rino | i've partition my RAID in /boot / /var and swap, i need to do the same partition on the others 2 RAID disks ? |
| 11:16.10 | azuroth | girls on film |
| 11:16.50 | liable | azuroth: hmmm??? |
| 11:16.59 | azuroth | girls on film |
| 11:17.15 | cockroach | Om: I don't know about your notebook, but for thinkpads there's a tool to configure that kind of settings... |
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| 11:18.00 | Krpano | f |
| 11:18.04 | Krpano | test... |
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| 11:19.46 | streuner | ~test |
| 11:19.47 | apt | Test Passed! |
| 11:20.12 | streuner | apt doesn't work as usual .... |
| 11:20.26 | Shadur | ~test |
| 11:20.27 | apt | Oh, no! There's a test and I haven't studied!" |
| 11:21.18 | Krpano | lol |
| 11:21.28 | pahvi | 'apt-get moo' is quite funny ;) |
| 11:21.29 | streuner | the usual answer were 'Test failed' |
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| 11:22.10 | azuroth | apt-get moo |
| 11:22.14 | ecivo | Hey guys, how can I get gnome to shutdown the machine on clicking actions->logout->reboot/shutdown and not just leaving the session? |
| 11:22.14 | azuroth | ? |
| 11:22.19 | KerPlunk | When I put xmms on oss, it plays fine....but when I put it on alsa...it doesn't work at all... |
| 11:22.23 | azuroth | guess not |
| 11:22.26 | KerPlunk | How can I fix it so alsa works? |
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| 11:22.44 | Shadur | Kane32: Does alsa work with, say, mpg123? |
| 11:22.49 | Krpano | could somebody help me setting up irssi? |
| 11:22.55 | Shadur | Or with alsamixer? |
| 11:23.02 | streuner | KerPlunk: xmms Preferences -> OutputPlugin > ALSA |
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| 11:23.30 | KerPlunk | streuner, I know |
| 11:23.35 | KerPlunk | It doesn't work...is what I"m saying. |
| 11:23.39 | ecivo | Krpano, did you try man irssi? |
| 11:23.49 | KerPlunk | Only when I put it on oss does it work...not when I put it on alsa. |
| 11:23.55 | ecivo | Hey guys, how can I get gnome to shutdown the machine on clicking actions->logout->reboot/shutdown and not just leaving the session? |
| 11:23.55 | KerPlunk | How can I make it work with alsa? |
| 11:24.02 | Krpano | yes... but a bit complicated... |
| 11:24.06 | Krpano | im a irc-noob |
| 11:24.09 | streuner | KerPlunk: uname -a |
| 11:24.11 | directhex|work | ecivo, enable non-secure actions in gdm |
| 11:24.12 | ecivo | I allready set a suid on the /sbin/halt app |
| 11:24.39 | KerPlunk | streuner, Linux debian 2.6.8-2-386 #1 Mon Jan 24 03:01:58 EST 2005 i686 GNU/Linux |
| 11:24.40 | elephantman | Hi all |
| 11:24.43 | ecivo | dircthex, thank you ! :) can you even tell me where I find this? |
| 11:24.46 | jethro | hi elephantman |
| 11:24.50 | streuner | KerPlunk: run 'alsaconf' |
| 11:25.05 | tarzeau | if i do "od somefile" |
| 11:25.12 | elephantman | How to i recursively delete all the .test folders |
| 11:25.14 | directhex|work | ecivo, gdmsetup, security tab, disable the checkbox marked "secure actions menu" |
| 11:25.14 | tarzeau | can i undo thi hxex output back to the binary? |
| 11:25.28 | tarzeau | (or anything else like od that i can do this with, that is installed on every base system? |
| 11:25.44 | tarzeau | i know i can do uuencdoe/and openssl mime64 stuff but these are not always installed |
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| 11:26.30 | ecivo | directhex|work, Thanks again, this was the fastest trouble solfing I had in the last half year or so :) Have a nice day :) |
| 11:26.59 | directhex|work | you know, if we start being too helpful, someone needs to start #debian-nasty to badmouth and insult people |
| 11:27.04 | jethro | elephantman: find . -type d -name .test -exec rm -fr {}\; or find . -type d -name .test | xargs rm -fr |
| 11:27.25 | iceman | can I somehow as root export JAVA_HOME globally, so that it affects every user on the system? |
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| 11:30.06 | ondar | alguien me pude ayudar con este eror de arranque? *ror :temporay failure in name resolution |
| 11:30.15 | jpeg | you could set it in /etc/profile like all the other env vars. |
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| 11:30.31 | streuner | !es |
| 11:30.31 | dpkg | Hispanohablantes: Por favor usen #debian-es, alli obtendran mas ayuda. Spanish Speakers: Please use #debian-es, there you will get much more help. |
| 11:30.40 | ondar | ok |
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| 11:36.59 | RedFox | hi |
| 11:37.20 | RedFox | test... |
| 11:37.33 | quitte | them manpage for echo says that when i do "echo \n" it should do a new line. but instead it prints "n". what am i doing wrong? |
| 11:37.59 | torc | how do i map those new devfs devices like /dev/scsi/host... to /dev/sda4 ? |
| 11:38.10 | directhex|work | torc, you don't use devfs. |
| 11:38.26 | asg | quitte: echo -e '\n' |
| 11:38.28 | xrgtn | Debian's iptables _are_ built with p-o-m, but kernel isn't. ;) |
| 11:38.53 | Delph | quitte: did you read all the manpage? |
| 11:39.07 | Delph | the bit before \n says you have to set another flag. |
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| 11:39.36 | quitte | Delph: yes. german translated version. it said if i leave out -E it works. |
| 11:39.40 | quitte | asg thanks |
| 11:39.58 | quitte | Delph: well now i know what to do - so it'S no problem anymore |
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| 11:40.52 | RedFox | hello |
| 11:41.40 | RedFox | cmon |
| 11:41.54 | asg | RedFox: what? |
| 11:42.34 | torc | directhex|work: what do you mean, i dont use devfs? i should not or what? |
| 11:43.01 | RedFox | just checking... |
| 11:43.09 | directhex|work | !devfs |
| 11:43.10 | dpkg | extra, extra, read all about it, devfs is obsolete and will be removed from the upstream Linux kernel shortly. See <http://lists.debian.org/debian-devel/2005/01/msg01072.html>. |
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| 11:43.51 | torc | oic :) |
| 11:45.26 | ecivo | Just onother question: My custom-kernel can't find/access modules.dep (Module-dependencies list), my standard-kernel Imiage can, what might I have forgot/configed wrong? |
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| 11:46.31 | asg | ecivo: run 'depmod -a' |
| 11:46.36 | asg | ecivo: that should take care of things |
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| 11:46.47 | torc | directhex|work: so, i should disable it even for 2.4 ? |
| 11:46.50 | sirmaxworld^ibm | hi all |
| 11:46.51 | torc | directhex|work: (devfs) |
| 11:47.09 | directhex|work | torc, you're compiling your own kernels? |
| 11:47.26 | torc | directhex|work: trying to. |
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| 11:47.56 | directhex|work | why?> |
| 11:48.16 | torc | directhex|work: applying different patches. |
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| 11:48.36 | torc | directhex|work: nothing serious, just missed devfs automount option :( |
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| 11:50.35 | ufo_ | It's there anybody in ? |
| 11:50.42 | streuner | no |
| 11:50.50 | streuner | !ask |
| 11:50.50 | dpkg | If you have a question, just ask away on channel. If somebody knows, they'll answer :) For best results, be specific, informative, complete, concise and on-topic! Don't ask if you can ask a question first. Also don't ask if anyone uses/knows about foo. Please don't be demanding or insulting. Remember, we're all volunteers. Finally, please don't /msg people without permission or demand an answer from one particular person. Thanks! |
| 11:50.54 | ufo_ | streumer are so humor! |
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| 11:51.23 | ZaFiL | cef, |
| 11:51.30 | ZaFiL | oups, sorry |
| 11:51.46 | streuner | ufo_: just ask with detailed infos |
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| 11:53.02 | tzafrir_laptop | streuner, He asked, and was answered. But why did you have to give a misleading answer? |
| 11:53.21 | ufo_ | am i? |
| 11:53.34 | ecivo | asg, thanks :) That was indeed missed... |
| 11:53.36 | streuner | tzafrir: because i have no humor? ;-) |
| 11:53.40 | jethro | tzafrir_laptop: where did you see him ask anything *usefull* ? |
| 11:53.46 | asg | ecivo: you're welcome |
| 11:54.06 | streuner | the question was 'Is there anybody out there' |
| 11:54.19 | jethro | just nod if you can hear me! is there anyone home |
| 11:54.25 | streuner | which means 'No' is rather a 'Yes' then ;-) |
| 11:54.27 | jethro | reminds me on a song by pink floyd |
| 11:54.28 | asg | jethro: ;) |
| 11:54.35 | jethro | hi asg |
| 11:54.39 | streuner | jethro: yeah :-) |
| 11:54.42 | asg | jethro: morning |
| 11:54.50 | asg | jethro: or afternoon where you are |
| 11:54.58 | jethro | afternoon applies, indeed |
| 11:55.03 | jethro | it 2PM |
| 11:55.03 | sirmaxworld^ibm | which command removes the x-server and it's applications? |
| 11:55.05 | jethro | it is |
| 11:55.15 | asg | jethro: just about to hit 8am here but no matter ;) |
| 11:55.22 | jethro | heh |
| 11:55.34 | streuner | sirmaxworld^ibm: why do you think you need that? |
| 11:55.39 | tzafrir_laptop | X clients dn't depend on the X server. They do depend on the xlibs |
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| 11:56.44 | streuner | sirmaxworld^ibm: Do you want install xorg on your debian system, that's a bad idea then |
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| 11:57.00 | liable | what would I use to show a running account of established internet connections? |
| 11:57.04 | ufo_ | i work under debian but when i press Ctrl+Alt+F3,the screen changed to black,i can not see anything. what's wrong? |
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| 11:57.10 | petemc | liable: iptraf |
| 11:57.10 | sirmaxworld^ibm | no just remove, because I want work only in the console |
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| 11:57.20 | sirmaxworld^ibm | with the shell |
| 11:57.27 | streuner | sirmaxworld^ibm: /msg dpkg remove x |
| 11:57.33 | sirmaxworld^ibm | have only 64mb ram |
| 11:57.39 | liable | petemc: heh, have it running, am confused as to the things its telling me :) |
| 11:57.40 | tzafrir_laptop | ufo_, press ctrl-alt-f7 |
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| 11:57.52 | ufo_ | F7? |
| 11:58.02 | ufo_ | i'll have a try. |
| 11:58.07 | goki | whats the easiest way of swapping to ALSA on sarge? |
| 11:58.08 | ere | I have a problem with autmount. I use kernel 2.6 and hotplug/udev to create a dev file for a digital camera (with GROUP="removable"). A regular user (member of "removable") can trigger the mount operation by executing: "cd /removable/camera2" but can NOT access it because the directory created by automount is owned by root:root, how can I configure autofs to create a readable dir (preferably by the removable group) ? |
| 11:58.27 | streuner | goki: use an 2.6.x kernel and run 'alsaconf' |
| 11:58.30 | tzafrir_laptop | ufo_, in a linux system you have a number of virtual terminals, the first twlve accessible by pressing ctrl-alt-fn |
| 11:58.32 | vladt | hello. i need a program for changing resolution/refresh in x. something i can install with apt |
| 11:58.38 | goki | streuner, do I need some packages? |
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| 11:59.02 | ufo_ | That is ,when screen be black,Press Ctrl+Alt+F7 to XWindows.But I want to change to TextMode terminal. |
| 11:59.02 | streuner | goki: apt-get install alsa-utils kernel-image-2.6.x |
| 11:59.16 | tzafrir_laptop | ufo_, the X server (graphical environment) traditionally runs on the 7th. The first 6 have text-based login. |
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| 11:59.48 | tzafrir_laptop | ufo_, you don't want X to start automatically? |
| 12:00.32 | ufo_ | I used XWindows , and i want to use Textmode terminal too. |
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| 12:01.45 | streuner | hah, there should happen a wonder, it seems some don't want X anymore ;-) |
| 12:02.56 | liable | TCP/microsoft-, TCP/netbios-ss, UDP/netbios-ns, UDP/loc-srv, TCP/https, TCP/exec, TCP/ftp, all show up, with ftp and https showing sent packets even though I havent used either |
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| 12:04.18 | streuner | ufo_: /msg dpkg nodm |
| 12:04.49 | streuner | ufo_: that's to start without X debian |
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| 12:06.50 | ufo_ | i havn't drive my video card. |
| 12:07.26 | streuner | !tell ufo_ about setup x |
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| 12:08.12 | liable | no ideas why iptraf would show sent packets on https or ftp without me using them? |
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| 12:09.09 | streuner | liable: can you show us an screenshot? |
| 12:09.59 | jm_ | liable: well obviously something has sent them |
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| 12:10.06 | liable | streuner: nowhere to put it, sorry! |
| 12:10.06 | lnxgrl | Hi i've a problem with my selfmade distribution. on bootup when e2fsck is forced it often required a reboot (optimized,directories etc). now i extended my scripts to handle the reboot (calling /sbin/reboot -f) but /sbin/ is not available after e2fsck "repaired" the root filesystem. so reboot is skipped and i get 2 pages with error. after a hardware reset all worked fine, nothing shows that there was an error before |
| 12:10.11 | brunocesar | hello, has somebody already worked with saned? |
| 12:10.13 | lnxgrl | sorry for a bit offtopic, at least it'S linux ;) |
| 12:10.25 | liable | jm_: yes, that what i'm wondering about |
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| 12:10.31 | lnxgrl | the folks in #linux usualy lack clue |
| 12:10.31 | streuner | liable: apt-get install apache ;-) |
| 12:10.39 | liable | streuner: heh |
| 12:10.44 | streuner | liable: sure you can do that |
| 12:10.56 | streuner | liable: even with DNS |
| 12:11.06 | jm_ | liable: run tcpdump and write all packets on those ports to a file, might help you identify it |
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| 12:11.16 | liable | streuner: what do you mean |
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| 12:11.26 | lnxgrl | anyone here ever was deep enough in linux startup internals to help me out ? |
| 12:11.42 | streuner | liable: you can't make an screenshot, cp that file to /var/www? |
| 12:12.00 | jm_ | lnxgrl: why wouldn't /sbin be available? |
| 12:12.11 | lnxgrl | it's even worse |
| 12:12.28 | lnxgrl | after e2fsck "optimized" some files even seem to get completely lost when you access them |
| 12:12.31 | lnxgrl | that was my problem 2 weeks ago |
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| 12:12.35 | lnxgrl | inittab vanished after that |
| 12:12.50 | lnxgrl | i just found out that it optimizes the inodes of /etc /bin /sbin etc |
| 12:13.05 | jm_ | that means your file system is fucked |
| 12:13.12 | lnxgrl | as result all files there get unavailable until reboot, when it's ignored (no reboot) then a set of files get completely lost (unconnected inodes) |
| 12:13.33 | streuner | liable: visit dyndns.org and get an account |
| 12:13.38 | lnxgrl | i was able to reproduce it by a) forcing a check (tune2fs) and b) touch /etc/somefile -> reboot |
| 12:13.50 | drac | liable: and apt-get install ddclient, to update your dyndns.org |
| 12:14.00 | liable | streuner: ok, will have a look |
| 12:14.00 | lnxgrl | result is inittab is lost after reboot+e2fsck |
| 12:14.22 | lnxgrl | so my system is not fucked, e2fsck fucks it ;) |
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| 12:14.40 | brunocesar | Somebody knows how to work with saned? |
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| 12:14.47 | jm_ | so your only problem is you can't automatically reboot it or what? |
| 12:14.50 | simonrvn | i think we have a spam bot |
| 12:15.09 | lnxgrl | i modified the startup scripts, so it now checks e2fsck return code, and on request it calls /sbin/reboot -f |
| 12:15.18 | jm_ | yes I figured that |
| 12:15.20 | lnxgrl | i now tested it -> /sbin/reboot not found ... same errors |
| 12:15.29 | brunocesar | (sane deamon) |
| 12:15.29 | streuner | liable: http://203.221.11.99/your_screen_shot |
| 12:15.33 | liable | drac: aww, I dont want to run a web server, this is a lappie with dial-up |
| 12:15.41 | liable | streuner: ok |
| 12:15.41 | simonrvn | 'daemon' :) |
| 12:15.47 | brunocesar | ops |
| 12:15.49 | lnxgrl | so mainly my problem is that reboot is not working, secondary i wonder why this is possible at all (design flaw in e2fsck?) |
| 12:15.58 | brunocesar | thx |
| 12:16.04 | simonrvn | np |
| 12:16.10 | liable | streuner: so I need an ftp client for that? |
| 12:16.13 | drac | liable: dhttpd is like 20kb size small httpd. |
| 12:16.13 | streuner | liable: your_screen_shot=iptraf.png or whatever |
| 12:16.22 | streuner | liable: only apache |
| 12:16.23 | drac | liable: anyone can run it even with dialup |
| 12:16.48 | lnxgrl | only thing i can try is to create a ramdisk like tmpfs and "cp /sbin/halt /tmpfs/reboot" but that'S not very clean;/ |
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| 12:18.57 | VinNafte | after i added a script (skeleton) to init.d is there anything else i need to perform |
| 12:19.06 | liable | ok, getting apache, will take a bit. Then more to work it out. |
| 12:20.28 | lnxgrl | s i g h |
| 12:21.17 | sep | webstat or webalizer ? for an apache with some virtualhosts on it. |
| 12:21.19 | liable | streuner: so when apache is installed, what do I have to do? |
| 12:21.57 | asg | VinNafte: link it to /etc/rc* with update-rc.d or rcconf |
| 12:21.57 | streuner | liable: cp the screenshot.png to /var/www |
| 12:22.13 | POVaddct | lnxgrl: do you have dir_index feature turned on? |
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| 12:22.45 | liable | streuner: ok, and then you can view it from my ip? |
| 12:22.59 | streuner | liable: usually yes |
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| 12:24.40 | liable | enable suexec? no? I have no idea with this |
| 12:25.06 | streuner | use the default |
| 12:25.11 | liable | ok |
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| 12:25.50 | orospakr__ | for some reason I have (several!) PAM plugin transmitting ".. ..INCORRECT" instead of the password to the auth server. any ideas? |
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| 12:26.46 | liable | ok, done |
| 12:27.12 | streuner | alright, what's the name of the png? |
| 12:27.28 | liable | snapshot1 |
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| 12:28.01 | streuner | ending png? |
| 12:28.18 | liable | yes |
| 12:28.37 | torc | why doesn't dpkg -l show pkgs hold with aptitude? |
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| 12:30.34 | streuner | liable: the host is down |
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| 12:31.36 | liable | streuner: ok, try now |
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| 12:33.00 | streuner | liable: its dialup... |
| 12:33.13 | ulti | hello |
| 12:33.15 | liable | yes, somones connected now |
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| 12:33.39 | streuner | liable: tail -f /var/log/apache/access.log |
| 12:33.42 | greycat | ravenbird: no, dpl is <reply> DPL stands for Debian Project Leader, an elected position currently held by Branden Robinson ("Overfiend"). See <http://www.debian.org/devel/leader>. |
| 12:33.43 | ravenbird | okay, greycat |
| 12:33.44 | ulti | can anyone help how to add a second scsi disk ? |
| 12:33.47 | greycat | dpkg: no, dpl is <reply> DPL stands for Debian Project Leader, an elected position currently held by Branden Robinson ("Overfiend"). See <http://www.debian.org/devel/leader>. |
| 12:33.47 | dpkg | greycat: okay |
| 12:34.06 | liable | now someones trying to telnet my box :( |
| 12:34.21 | liable | idiot |
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| 12:34.56 | streuner | liable: don't worry, you can do other things with telnet |
| 12:35.12 | VinNafte | how does (init.d) start script with specified user? |
| 12:35.22 | streuner | liable: if you haven't telnetd running nobody can connect to your box |
| 12:35.27 | greycat | ulti: power down, check addresses, attach disk, power back up |
| 12:35.31 | liable | streuner: dont even have it running |
| 12:35.44 | liable | streuner: thats why i said idiot :) |
| 12:35.49 | ulti | it's on number 6 |
| 12:35.55 | streuner | liable: dpkg -l | grep ftp |
| 12:36.23 | liable | nothing |
| 12:36.36 | liable | streuner: did you see the screen shot? |
| 12:36.54 | streuner | yep |
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| 12:37.09 | streuner | liable: no idea why iptraf shows you ftp |
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| 12:37.29 | liable | streuner: and https, when i wasnt surfing either? |
| 12:37.48 | streuner | http://203.221.11.99/snapshot1.png |
| 12:38.26 | ulti | greycat: i have the disk recognised by the scsi controler and when i have installed debian but i have 2 disks but how do i add the second ? |
| 12:38.44 | greycat | ulti: man cfdisk; man mkfs |
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| 12:38.49 | greycat | ulti: man fstab; man mount |
| 12:38.50 | streuner | liable: you know what https is? |
| 12:39.00 | ulti | k thnx |
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| 12:39.26 | liable | streuner: http with the secure bit, ie secure page? |
| 12:39.41 | liable | encrypted even |
| 12:39.46 | streuner | liable: http using SSL |
| 12:40.10 | jethro | !comfort me |
| 12:40.11 | dpkg | There, there, jethro. It's OK. I'm here for you. |
| 12:40.30 | kuntu | is there a macromedia linux version ? |
| 12:40.43 | jethro | kuntu: you mean a flash player? |
| 12:40.56 | kuntu | no |
| 12:41.09 | streuner | liable: just join dyndns.org and get an account |
| 12:41.21 | jethro | kuntu: then I don't think so, check their website for authoritative information |
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| 12:41.53 | liable | streuner: what for? sorry if I miss the obvious |
| 12:41.56 | kuntu | i mean the program to make macromedia web pages |
| 12:42.05 | jethro | kuntu: see above |
| 12:42.31 | streuner | liable: you get an DNS domain, no need to use IP's then |
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| 12:42.52 | jethro | streuner: you don't get a dns domain with dyndns, you get a fqdn for a dynamic IP :) |
| 12:42.52 | shining | can a mail server be useful at home ? I don't see exactly what exim4 could do |
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| 12:43.05 | liable | streuner: oh, for the apache bit? |
| 12:43.07 | streuner | jethro: of course, thanks |
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| 12:43.25 | streuner | liable: yes |
| 12:43.27 | jpfarias | hi people |
| 12:43.39 | jethro | liable: to address any service running on your host, without having to know the IP address |
| 12:43.42 | jpfarias | which package I need to install to get apache2 apxs util? |
| 12:43.49 | eugenesan | hi all, what can i use for raw telnet connection (telnet in char/binary mode)? |
| 12:43.51 | jpfarias | I'm on unstable here |
| 12:44.05 | nkuttler | jpfarias: try apt-cache search apxs |
| 12:44.11 | kuntu | another telnet phreak |
| 12:44.12 | streuner | liable: for example, http://liable.mine.nu |
| 12:44.18 | liable | jethro: so even with a dinamic ip, people can still just find me? |
| 12:44.26 | jethro | liable: that's the whole point |
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| 12:44.31 | liable | right |
| 12:44.33 | jpfarias | nkuttler, I've got apache-dev only as results |
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| 12:44.49 | jpfarias | nkuttler, but is that apache 1 or 2? |
| 12:44.50 | nkuttler | jpfarias: so? |
| 12:44.51 | jethro | liable: anytime your IP changes, you run a script and update the A record, there at dyndns, or whatever provider you choose for that |
| 12:44.55 | liable | but getting back to the original problem |
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| 12:45.06 | jpfarias | nkuttler, I want apxs for apache2 |
| 12:45.17 | nkuttler | apt-cache show packagename |
| 12:45.22 | jpfarias | nkuttler, apache-dev seems to be for apache 1.x |
| 12:45.23 | nkuttler | jpfarias: 1.3 for me |
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| 12:45.48 | nkuttler | jpfarias: well you know, you have access to the source |
| 12:45.59 | jpfarias | nkuttler, how? |
| 12:46.14 | asg | jpfarias: search for apxs2 |
| 12:46.29 | jpfarias | asg, no results |
| 12:46.35 | asg | jpfarias: on sarge? |
| 12:46.43 | jpfarias | unstable here |
| 12:46.50 | asg | jpfarias: apt-file search bin/apxs2 |
| 12:46.51 | xpato | how can i make snmp accept querys from the network |
| 12:47.02 | xpato | now only the localhost get the responses? |
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| 12:47.14 | greycat | you didn't search very hard. |
| 12:47.15 | jpfarias | apt-file? |
| 12:47.23 | asg | !info apt-file |
| 12:47.24 | jpfarias | don't u mean apt-cache? |
| 12:47.25 | greycat | jpfarias: /msg dpkg search |
| 12:47.25 | dpkg | apt-file: (APT package searching utility -- command-line interface), section base, is optional. Version: 2.0.3-7 (sid), Packaged size: 11 kB, Installed size: 88 kB |
| 12:47.30 | greycat | !+find bin/apxs |
| 12:47.37 | dpkg | Debian Search of 'bin/apxs' (2): (/usr/bin/{apxs|apxs-perl|apxs-ssl}) in devel/apache-dev ;; (/usr/bin/apxs2) in devel/apache2-prefork-dev,devel/apache2-threaded-dev. |
| 12:47.39 | Soeki | how can i make apt- to get samba 3 on woody? |
| 12:47.40 | greycat | !sid faq |
| 12:47.40 | dpkg | hmm... sid faq is http://wooledge.org/~greg/sidfaq.html |
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| 12:47.46 | asg | Soeki: hahahaha |
| 12:47.47 | greycat | Soeki: you can't. woody doesn't have it. |
| 12:47.54 | Soeki | yeah i know |
| 12:48.00 | asg | Soeki: /msg dpkg backports |
| 12:48.01 | Soeki | but like apt-pinning? |
| 12:48.05 | Soeki | oh |
| 12:48.05 | greycat | Soeki: /msg dpkg simple sid backport |
| 12:48.09 | jpfarias | ok |
| 12:48.11 | greycat | Soeki: /msg dpkg woody->sarge |
| 12:48.42 | greycat | jpfarias: In fact, I have an extraordinarily difficult time believing you *ACTUALLY SEARCHED AT ALL*. |
| 12:48.45 | jethro | " If you aren't sure whether this includes you... it includes you." sounds good :) |
| 12:48.48 | asg | woah, night of the moron spammers. ~120k rbl'd crap last night. |
| 12:48.54 | Soeki | on sources.list sarge would be? "unstable"? |
| 12:48.55 | greycat | A simple search for "apxs" would have turned up both of those packages. |
| 12:49.00 | VinNafte | asg, how do i make those init.d scripts start with the correct user? |
| 12:49.08 | greycat | Soeki: NO! |
| 12:49.24 | asg | VinNafte: man start-stop-daemon |
| 12:49.25 | jpfarias | greycat, well, searching for apxs gives me only one result |
| 12:49.31 | greycat | !find apxs |
| 12:49.38 | dpkg | Debian Search of 'apxs' (4 of 5): (/usr/bin/{apxs|apxs-perl|apxs-ssl}) in devel/apache-dev ;; (/usr/share/doc/apache-doc/manual/programs/apxs.html) in doc/apache-doc ;; (/usr/bin/apxs2) in devel/apache2-prefork-dev,devel/apache2-threaded-dev ;; (/usr/share/doc/libapache-request-perl/examples/c/testapreq/Makefile.apxs) in perl/libapache-request-perl. |
| 12:49.40 | greycat | Simplest dead stupid case. |
| 12:49.43 | greycat | FIVE results. |
| 12:49.51 | greycat | And lookie!! The one you want is even shown. |
| 12:49.52 | jpfarias | greycat, I did searched on my machine, duh, not here... |
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| 12:50.03 | greycat | !SID FAQ |
| 12:50.03 | dpkg | hmm... sid faq is http://wooledge.org/~greg/sidfaq.html |
| 12:50.10 | jpfarias | greycat, I did not know I could search here... |
| 12:50.17 | greycat | then why the FUCK are you running unstable? |
| 12:50.38 | jpfarias | just to have latest version of things :P |
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| 12:51.05 | jpfarias | actually, I do prefer gentoo for that, but my machine is a bit slow at job |
| 12:51.05 | kuntu | jpfarias e um imbecil |
| 12:51.24 | jpfarias | kuntu, no offenses, please |
| 12:51.38 | greycat | too late. you already offended us. |
| 12:51.41 | Blissex | jpfarias: two notes here: <greycat> is a bit of a tomcat :-> 2) have you ever heard of the notion of ''bleeding edge''? |
| 12:51.45 | jpfarias | why? |
| 12:51.58 | kuntu | a kona da tua mae |
| 12:52.03 | jpfarias | just because I'm not an expert? |
| 12:52.04 | kuntu | filho da puta |
| 12:52.07 | greycat | kuntu: please speak english |
| 12:52.10 | jethro | because you're clueless |
| 12:52.25 | jpfarias | yeah, I don't know everything, sorry |
| 12:52.28 | jethro | AND run unstable at the same time |
| 12:52.30 | greycat | Wanna bet he hasn't even read the sid faq that I sent to the channel twice now? |
| 12:52.38 | jpfarias | if u don't wanna help, what are u doing here? |
| 12:52.41 | jethro | there are basic things you need to know when running unstable |
| 12:52.42 | greycat | *plonk* |
| 12:52.43 | pngwn | clueless with a fucking attitude |
| 12:52.46 | jethro | indeed |
| 12:52.51 | greycat | u-speak is the last straw. |
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| 12:52.53 | jethro | jpfarias: #debian is not meant to help sid users |
| 12:52.58 | Blissex | jpfarias: also, 3) if you want less hostility 1) switch to #Debian_ 2) dont confess to nefarious practices like running Gentoo. |
| 12:52.58 | kuntu | greycat cant you just ban him ? |
| 12:52.58 | greycat | nobody should have to tolerate that shit. I certainly won't. |
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| 12:53.06 | jethro | jpfarias: read sid faq and figure out why |
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| 12:53.33 | jpfarias | man, if all debian users are like you, I need to change my dist |
| 12:53.34 | greycat | Blissex: #debian_ now?? How the hell is anyone supposed to guess *that* name? |
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| 12:53.52 | jethro | jpfarias: if all debian users were like you i'd change too |
| 12:53.58 | fflush_CA | hehe |
| 12:54.04 | kuntu | LOL |
| 12:54.12 | jpfarias | I just asked which package would I install to have apxs for apache2 |
| 12:54.12 | Dew | hi where i can download lastest free version of winex |
| 12:54.16 | TinoW | nobody expects the spanish inquisition |
| 12:54.17 | Blissex | greycat: I don't know,. apparently it is a well kept secret :-) |
| 12:54.20 | streuner | jpfarias: we don't like when we telling people to read something and they ignore that twice |
| 12:54.21 | jpfarias | is that too wrong here? |
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| 12:54.39 | sobersabre | hi guys... |
| 12:54.43 | Gathond | dew: their CVS I believe |
| 12:54.44 | jethro | jpfarias: what you did wrong is not read the sid faq in the first plac |
| 12:54.46 | jethro | place |
| 12:54.49 | greycat | Blissex: isn't that at *least* the third different name they've used now? First #debian-friendly, then ##debian, and now #debian_ |
| 12:54.56 | sobersabre | i have this output of apt-get upgade: |
| 12:54.59 | kuntu | RTFM |
| 12:55.00 | sobersabre | 0 upgraded, 0 newly installed, 0 to remove and 1 not upgraded. |
| 12:55.13 | sobersabre | how can i track this not upgraded package ? |
| 12:55.18 | greycat | sobersabre: /msg dpkg kept back |
| 12:55.25 | Gathond | dew: as recent a version as one exists that is free, you might have better luck using vanilla wine instead, depending on your exact situation |
| 12:55.27 | jpfarias | oh, see |
| 12:55.33 | jpfarias | another user question |
| 12:55.40 | Blissex | greycat: yes yes, it is one of the various attempts... |
| 12:55.40 | jpfarias | will u offend him also? |
| 12:55.44 | kuntu | linux is comunist |
| 12:55.49 | kuntu | says bill gates |
| 12:55.49 | greycat | hardly. |
| 12:56.01 | jethro | jpfarias: to avoid offending us, 1/ type whole words 2/ dont ask to ask 3/ read the FAQ |
| 12:56.22 | greycat | I might accept "communal", but not "communist". There's nobody with a gun, for one. |
| 12:56.30 | sobersabre | greycat, i don't know which package was not upgraded. |
| 12:56.32 | greycat | Well, except ESR, but he's not communist. |
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| 12:56.40 | Blissex | jethro: note that someone a few lines ago was openly using grievous swear words, and not using English too :-), but nobody so far has complained. |
| 12:56.42 | greycat | sobersabre: we don't either, then. |
| 12:56.48 | jpfarias | sobersabre, u can't ask here |
| 12:56.57 | greycat | Blissex: I asked him to speak English. |
| 12:57.01 | sobersabre | is there a flag of "kept-back" ? |
| 12:57.02 | Dew | Gathond thankyou |
| 12:57.03 | jethro | Blissex: greycat did :) |
| 12:57.03 | jpfarias | they are too experts to answer simple questions.... |
| 12:57.16 | Gathond | sobersabre: yes you do apt-get told you that above the line you pasted |
| 12:57.17 | jethro | !troll jpfarias |
| 12:57.27 | kuntu | is things like linux that gona make capitalism fall |
| 12:57.28 | Blissex | greycat: yes, but not to stop isnulting people... |
| 12:57.31 | kuntu | then what ? |
| 12:57.35 | kuntu | anarchy ? |
| 12:57.41 | kuntu | LOL |
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| 12:57.52 | streuner | asg> !info apt-file |
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| 12:58.04 | jethro | kuntu: some make money with linux |
| 12:58.08 | kuntu | chaos ? |
| 12:58.11 | Gathond | kuntu: anarchy is just fine, as long as I have the most guns :) |
| 12:58.21 | streuner | jpfarias: that was the answer before other want help you too |
| 12:58.27 | sobersabre | Gathond, it is probably lost in the small terminal buffer. is there a log file for apt-get things ? |
| 12:58.32 | kuntu | Gathond, that would be chaos |
| 12:58.39 | Blissex | kuntu: http://www.catholicplanet.com/articles/article41.htm |
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| 12:58.58 | nomed^ | how can i try to compile a deb from source for sparc arch ? any links? |
| 12:58.58 | Blissex | kuntu: as to «then what?» |
| 12:58.59 | kuntu | catolicplante ? |
| 12:59.07 | Gathond | sobersabre: no, write apt-get upgrade again |
| 12:59.14 | greycat | planet == mundo |
| 12:59.16 | tzafrir_laptop | sobersabre, apt-get upgrade |head |
| 12:59.28 | TinoW | there is an install log in /var/log |
| 12:59.29 | kuntu | so linux is the crusaders weapon ? |
| 12:59.36 | greycat | kuntu: stop trolling now. please. |
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| 12:59.44 | jpfarias | streuner, I think people don't need to say someone is stupid just because he don't know how to do something |
| 12:59.56 | jethro | jpfarias: we didn't say that |
| 12:59.57 | Gathond | kuntu: is there much difference between anarchy and chaos? |
| 13:00.07 | kuntu | YES |
| 13:00.15 | nomed^ | any good links for cross-compilation? |
| 13:00.17 | Blissex | jpfarias: yes, but you have been a bit clueless... but as usual there has been a little overreaction. |
| 13:00.18 | jethro | jpfarias: we said you were stupid for using sid without know the mandatory stuff, just to "have the latest package" to quote you |
| 13:00.23 | streuner | jpfarias: if you asking the same questions, 2 times more and you already got 2-3 answers... |
| 13:00.24 | jpfarias | streuner, also, if they know how to do that, why not just answer that guy without saying he's stupid? |
| 13:00.24 | jethro | jpfarias: and *THAT* is stupid |
| 13:00.45 | jpfarias | streuner, yes, I have my answer |
| 13:00.55 | tzafrir_laptop | Gathond, yes, for once chaos is a linux distro, whereas anarchy isn't |
| 13:00.58 | tarzeau | kuntu: would you say a knife is a murderers' weapon? |
| 13:01.01 | jpfarias | streuner, but people offended me here just because I asked a simple question |
| 13:01.07 | Gathond | tzafrir_laptop: hehe |
| 13:01.16 | jpfarias | streuner, do you think that's ok? |
| 13:01.23 | jethro | jpfarias: you still didn't get the point as it seems |
| 13:01.28 | tarzeau | kuntu: mostly a bread knife is used for slicing bread |
| 13:01.38 | kuntu | if you have a knife i might say that |
| 13:01.38 | tarzeau | kuntu: so linux is mostly used by people, and not crusaders |
| 13:01.39 | Blissex | jpfarias: so if you want try channels like #Debian_ (or #LinuxHelp or ##Linux) which are more oriented to desperate n00bs. |
| 13:01.42 | greycat | tarzeau, Gathond: let's not feed the troll too much, ok? |
| 13:01.42 | streuner | jpfarias: well, if you asking me so... :-) |
| 13:01.57 | jpfarias | jethro, I just don't know why people offended me... |
| 13:02.09 | jethro | jpfarias: because you offended |
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| 13:02.18 | kuntu | tarzeau, has long as they are catholics ;-) |
| 13:02.20 | Blissex | jpfarias: #Debian is a high volume channel and questions are supposed to be short, sharp, and well though out. |
| 13:02.25 | kuntu | LOL |
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| 13:02.41 | jpfarias | Blissex, yes, that's right... if people don't want to answer, tell him to go somewhere else is ok |
| 13:02.55 | jpfarias | Blissex, but offending him is no good |
| 13:03.04 | tarzeau | greycat: what morons trolls can be... |
| 13:03.08 | greycat | most of them are actually a bit dull. |
| 13:03.08 | kuntu | some stfu jpfarias ? |
| 13:03.15 | Blissex | jethro: there is a difference between offending someone's _sensibilities_, and offending _someone_. |
| 13:03.16 | sobersabre | tzafrir_laptop, did you mean "ones" ? |
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| 13:03.27 | jpfarias | jethro, look all over my posts and tell me what was my offense |
| 13:03.30 | tzafrir_laptop | sobersabre, typo |
| 13:03.32 | misfitx7 | how well in the athlon 64 supported? |
| 13:03.37 | jethro | Blissex: I don't get it, I guess I need to improve my english skills |
| 13:03.47 | TinoW | misfitx7: very well. |
| 13:03.55 | sobersabre | misfitx7, it is supported, except on fdiv instructions. |
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| 13:04.21 | emergo | anyone know a good FREE jsp editor ? |
| 13:04.22 | Blissex | jethro: the difference is between being offended by someone's behaviour and being offended by direct attacks... |
| 13:04.26 | misfitx7 | ok, im a newb whats fdiv |
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| 13:04.30 | jethro | jpfarias: 1/ you didn't read the FAQ 2/ you didn't read the SIDFAQ 3/ you run SID just to "have the latest packages" and still whine when you can't get it to work how you'd like it |
| 13:04.41 | sobersabre | fdiv is floating point division. |
| 13:04.44 | tarzeau | emergo: what's jsp? |
| 13:04.48 | jethro | Blissex: thanks for the details |
| 13:04.48 | kuntu | i allways pray before a log into a linux box :-) |
| 13:04.48 | misfitx7 | ok |
| 13:04.50 | sobersabre | just avoid floating point division. |
| 13:04.59 | Blissex | jethro: for example, if you are a religious fundamentalists, you can claim you have been offended by a short skirt... |
| 13:05.00 | sobersabre | i am kidding |
| 13:05.01 | emergo | anyone know a good FREE java server pages editor ? |
| 13:05.08 | Blissex | emergo: yes. |
| 13:05.09 | directhex|work | emergo, vi |
| 13:05.10 | asg | emergo: vi |
| 13:05.12 | tarzeau | emergo: any $EDITOR ? |
| 13:05.12 | sobersabre | emergo, vim is great |
| 13:05.13 | liable | jethro: what do I have to do with this dyndns account to upgrade the ip? |
| 13:05.17 | tarzeau | sobersabre: no it sucks |
| 13:05.18 | jpfarias | jethro, well, if you think that if someone did not read something is an offense, you are offending me also |
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| 13:05.19 | jethro | Blissex: bad exemple, Id love short skirt :) |
| 13:05.20 | directhex|work | beat j00, asg |
| 13:05.26 | sobersabre | tarzeau, why ? |
| 13:05.27 | asg | directhex|work: not from where I'm sitting ;) |
| 13:05.27 | streuner | liable: ddclient |
| 13:05.36 | tarzeau | sobersabre: this two modes are horrible thing! |
| 13:05.36 | jethro | jpfarias: I m not the one asking for support tho, so I don't give a fuck if I offend you |
| 13:05.37 | kuntu | im ofended by long skirts |
| 13:05.41 | liable | streuner: apt-get it? |
| 13:05.42 | streuner | liable: install ddclient and read the man page |
| 13:05.44 | greycat | asg: you need a vi chair. |
| 13:05.44 | streuner | yep |
| 13:05.45 | tzafrir_laptop | liable, apt-cache search dyndns |
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| 13:05.47 | emergo | vi is nice :-). and it has a lot of support for nothing fancy |
| 13:05.54 | Blissex | jethro: precisely! You know, so your _sensitivies_ are not offended by short skirts. |
| 13:05.56 | jethro | liable: get the perl script |
| 13:05.57 | liable | righto, thanks |
| 13:06.02 | sobersabre | tarzeau, there's an anecdote about Sherlock Holmes & Dr. Watson |
| 13:06.03 | kuntu | im ofended by long skirts ! |
| 13:06.09 | tzafrir_laptop | liable, there are about 5 clients available |
| 13:06.10 | jethro | Blissex: aight I think I got the point :) |
| 13:06.11 | asg | greycat: yeah, probably due to having to use a hosting provider in Texas since my home network took a crap last night |
| 13:06.19 | kuntu | there should be some law against it |
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| 13:06.44 | Esca`s | moin moin |
| 13:06.44 | jpfarias | I think you all are stupid |
| 13:06.52 | jethro | cool |
| 13:06.52 | streuner | kuntu: troll somewhere else |
| 13:06.53 | jpfarias | now I'm offending you :P |
| 13:06.54 | jethro | now move on |
| 13:07.06 | tzafrir_laptop | liable, I used ddclient it it worked very well |
| 13:07.13 | Esca`s | am jemand german hier ?¿? |
| 13:07.14 | Blissex | jpfarias: oh please... |
| 13:07.17 | jethro | !de |
| 13:07.17 | dpkg | extra, extra, read all about it, de is deutschsprachige hilfe bekommt ihr in #debian.de - aber aufpassen, die sind manchmal ziemlich unfreundlich. german speaking users please go to #debian.de - but beware, they're pretty unfriendly sometimes... |
| 13:07.21 | jpfarias | can someone ban me so that I can never came back here? |
| 13:07.27 | Gathond | jpfarias: good to know, please stop now |
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| 13:07.31 | jethro | greycat: would you mind doing it? |
| 13:07.31 | Esca`s | Thank You |
| 13:07.34 | Blissex | jpfarias: it is not always like this... |
| 13:07.36 | inu | jpfarias, learn when to drop something.. |
| 13:07.37 | sobersabre | tarzeau, in vi the work is done fast and clean. what do you suggest ? |
| 13:07.37 | streuner | Esca`s: /msg nickserv help |
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| 13:07.43 | Blissex | jpfarias: sometimes <greycat> sleeps :-) |
| 13:07.50 | AngelGabriel | How do I take an ISO image of a CROM from the command line? |
| 13:07.54 | kuntu | jpfarias, if you whant something done dont come to irc |
| 13:07.56 | sobersabre | misfitx7, I was joking about fdiv. |
| 13:07.57 | AngelGabriel | CDROM |
| 13:07.58 | greycat | Blissex: do I have to unignore him now? |
| 13:08.02 | asg | jpfarias: rule number one of Internet Club. Have a thick skin. |
| 13:08.07 | misfitx7 | so what is the official architecture name for the athlon64 systems |
| 13:08.08 | streuner | AngelGabriel: dd |
| 13:08.08 | jethro | greycat: he's begging for a ban |
| 13:08.15 | abrotman | greycat: he asked to be banned |
| 13:08.22 | sobersabre | misfitx7, try www.amd.com |
| 13:08.22 | jethro | greycat: so that he can't accidentaly get offended here again |
| 13:08.23 | tarzeau | sobersabre: i like mcedit, emacs and TextEdit.app |
| 13:08.27 | kuntu | dont ban him |
| 13:08.29 | AngelGabriel | streuner, seriously!? I didn't know dd could make ISO images too |
| 13:08.29 | jpfarias | yeah |
| 13:08.34 | jpfarias | ban me please |
| 13:08.38 | jethro | moron |
| 13:08.39 | kuntu | or we would miss all the fun |
| 13:08.39 | sobersabre | mcedit is the editor in mc ? |
| 13:08.40 | abrotman | <jpfarias> ban me please |
| 13:08.42 | *** mode/#debian [+o greycat] by ChanServ |
| 13:08.42 | *** mode/#debian [+b *!*@proxy.gerencia.ufrn.br] by greycat |
| 13:08.44 | streuner | AngelGabriel: dd if=/dev/cdrom of=/your_iso_img |
| 13:08.47 | tzafrir_laptop | AngelGabriel, mount -o loop ? |
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| 13:09.01 | AngelGabriel | streuner, woul dit be dd=/dev/cdrom of=my/iso.file |
| 13:09.08 | greycat | abrotman: yes, I saw it. I /unignore'd him a moment ago. |
| 13:09.17 | kuntu | damn it now we have to find some other troll to toy with :-( |
| 13:09.20 | abrotman | greycat: i figured as soon as i saw you op up |
| 13:09.20 | greycat | anyone else? kuntu? |
| 13:09.25 | streuner | AngelGabriel: nope |
| 13:09.29 | streuner | AngelGabriel: man dd |
| 13:09.31 | tzafrir_laptop | sobersabre, yes |
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| 13:09.38 | sobersabre | AngelGabriel, i have better results with: dd if=/dev/cdrom bs=2048 of=~/my.iso |
| 13:09.50 | AngelGabriel | streuner, Thanks - that was a type btw! |
| 13:09.50 | kuntu | graycat you cant ban me |
| 13:09.53 | directhex|work | greycat, you could ban me, but i might cry, and you don't want that on your conscience |
| 13:09.53 | greycat | Here, kitty comics: http://go-girly.com/?strip=223 |
| 13:10.03 | abrotman | kuntu: why can't he? |
| 13:10.22 | kuntu | because i shall returne |
| 13:10.45 | Teemu_K | how I can start dhcpd to eth0 and ath1, I don't wanna it to start to eth1 |
| 13:10.45 | Teemu_K | :/ |
| 13:11.09 | kuntu | abrotman, now stfu |
| 13:11.12 | greycat | Teemu_K: read /etc/init.d/dhcp and the man pages and /usr/share/doc/dhcp and so on. |
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| 13:11.23 | abrotman | kuntu: are you sure? |
| 13:11.24 | *** mode/#debian [+b *!*@195.229.241.182] by greycat |
| 13:11.25 | tzafrir_laptop | Teemu_K, do you want it to start on eth0 alone? |
| 13:11.27 | *** kick/#debian [kuntu!rfc1413@wooledge.org] by greycat (greycat) |
| 13:11.28 | abrotman | oh .. |
| 13:11.28 | directhex|work | Teemu_K, edit /etc/networking/interfaces or somesuch file |
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| 13:11.40 | abrotman | !greycatsnack |
| 13:11.41 | dpkg | hey greycat, here's a chocolate chip cookie for all the hard work |
| 13:11.50 | jethro | hah |
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| 13:12.26 | amorphix | hi |
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| 13:12.31 | Teemu_K | I got it, dhcpd eth0 and ath0 |
| 13:12.36 | Teemu_K | -and |
| 13:13.33 | amorphix | I'm having a problem with KDE initializing sound driver for device/dsp, say it couldnt be opened i/o error.. anyone got any ideas? |
| 13:13.46 | abrotman | amorphix: #debian-kde |
| 13:13.51 | amorphix | it has worked a couple of times, but seems temperamental |
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| 13:13.55 | amorphix | ok |
| 13:14.10 | abrotman | amorphix: does your sound work outside kde? |
| 13:14.37 | amorphix | good guestion, i could try in gnome |
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| 13:15.32 | VinNafte | now i have in my init.d script : d_start() { start-stop-daemon --start --quiet --pidfile $PIDFILE --exec $DAEMON --user $USER but it still starts the programm as root |
| 13:15.50 | greycat | shouldn't --exec be *last*? |
| 13:16.27 | VinNafte | well i moved the user option last as it tried to put it right behind --start wich gave the same result |
| 13:16.31 | greycat | hmm, I guess it's not mandatory. |
| 13:16.33 | abrotman | greycat: are they /msg spamming you too? |
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| 13:16.44 | greycat | abrotman: jpfarias did. I /ignore'd his msgs. |
| 13:16.45 | streuner | amorphix: or just run kcontrol to see if ARTS is enabled |
| 13:16.49 | amorphix | i wouldnt recommend anyone attempt to setup a Wacom PenPartner graphics tablet in X4..phew what a load of hassle |
| 13:16.59 | amorphix | streuner: thanks i will check |
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| 13:17.28 | amorphix | streuner: oh i got an error about ARTS when i started, it said caused KDE to crash while initialising |
| 13:17.38 | mwelsh | i installed a pci sound card, and I can play audio files as root, but as a user i 'dont have permissions for this device'. how can i configure my sound card so any user can play audio? |
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| 13:17.54 | jethro | mwelsh: add your users to the audio group |
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| 13:18.05 | streuner | amorphix: any ALSA or OSS modules loaded, lsmod (don't flood the channel)? |
| 13:18.29 | mwelsh | would man adduser tell me how to do that? |
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| 13:19.18 | tarzeau | !faq mwelsh |
| 13:19.19 | dpkg | mwelsh: http://www.linuks.mine.nu/debian-faq-wiki/ |
| 13:19.20 | jethro | mwelsh: either groupadd or addgroup |
| 13:19.25 | greycat | mwelsh: /msg dpkg sound |
| 13:19.28 | jethro | mwelsh: I never recall which one does what |
| 13:19.37 | greycat | jethro: adduser also does it, but I just use vigr myself. |
| 13:20.18 | jethro | greycat: there's one you can run as a command, and not interactively, think it's groupadd <user> <group> or something like this, that's what I use |
| 13:20.51 | greycat | jethro: adduser user group |
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| 13:21.00 | jethro | heh got jpfarias to spam me as well, he must've been bored |
| 13:21.03 | jethro | greycat: ah thanks |
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| 13:21.23 | directhex|work | i got no spam. i feel left out :'( |
| 13:21.34 | jethro | lemme tell him |
| 13:21.50 | ILF_ | hi. i'm trying to unmount my usb-stick. lsof tells me "famd" is using it. can i kill safely kill that? or: how do i stop it from accessing it? |
| 13:22.02 | mwelsh | ok, i went ran vigr and added my username to the audio group, but now when i try to run xmms and play a file, i get " Failed to open audio device (/dev/dsp): Permission denied" |
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| 13:22.11 | jethro | mwelsh: you need to login |
| 13:22.12 | streuner | ILF_: just kill fam |
| 13:22.21 | amorphix | streuner: i have soundcore bttv, cmpci cs46xx |
| 13:22.27 | mwelsh | ok |
| 13:22.30 | jethro | mwelsh: group changes apply at the next login |
| 13:22.36 | streuner | amorphix: ok, just disable ARTS |
| 13:22.37 | jethro | heh |
| 13:22.41 | amorphix | okay |
| 13:22.49 | amorphix | i dont need it for sound? |
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| 13:22.58 | jethro | directhex|work: you got anything yet? |
| 13:23.06 | streuner | amorphix: you have OSS module installed... |
| 13:23.10 | directhex|work | no :'( |
| 13:23.15 | jethro | :| |
| 13:23.24 | amorphix | i see |
| 13:23.28 | ILF_ | streuner: thx |
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| 13:23.43 | jethro | I miss bitchx's ability to count ignored messages |
| 13:23.57 | directhex|work | jethro, patch irssi to do it too |
| 13:24.05 | Blissex | jethro: as a reminder, there is also 'newgrp' |
| 13:24.06 | jethro | yeah yeah |
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| 13:24.16 | mwelsh | thanks everyone, it works now |
| 13:24.20 | jethro | Blissex: true :) |
| 13:24.30 | jethro | mwelsh: enjoy sound then :) |
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| 13:24.35 | xophEr | how can I save the position of the sliders in alsamixergui? every time I restart x / boot its reset. |
| 13:24.45 | directhex|work | xophEr, in theory? alsactl store |
| 13:25.02 | directhex|work | xophEr, don't know _where_ it stores it. permissions may cause issue, perhaps |
| 13:25.02 | amorphix | phew the hdd in my new laptop is very noisey, i think its dying |
| 13:25.11 | jethro | directhex|work: I just wish someone else with more time and coding skills miss it too :) |
| 13:25.16 | directhex|work | amorphix, quick! pump it full of volts to restart its heart! |
| 13:25.16 | xophEr | ok |
| 13:25.22 | asg | directhex|work: clear! |
| 13:25.29 | directhex|work | *ZZZZZZZZZZZZZZAP!* |
| 13:25.39 | asg | mmmm bacon |
| 13:25.44 | amorphix | hehe |
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| 13:25.57 | amorphix | the guys who sold it me are sending a replacement free of charge |
| 13:26.10 | amorphix | well its an IBM drive, so no wonder its fuxed |
| 13:26.19 | directhex|work | heh |
| 13:26.27 | directhex|work | i have a fried deskstar on my desk right now |
| 13:26.36 | xophEr | directhex|work, cmd not found ? :) |
| 13:26.42 | amorphix | IBM hardware just sux |
| 13:26.48 | e2e | Hi all, my /var/log/messages contains only these lines: "Apr 21 20:49:09 debian -- MARK --" What could be the problem? |
| 13:26.59 | streuner | e2e: /msg dpkg mark |
| 13:27.03 | smoser | anyone here know much about the debian initrd? or initrd in general? |
| 13:27.04 | directhex|work | e2e, mark is syslog letting you know it's not dead |
| 13:27.07 | streuner | !mark |
| 13:27.07 | dpkg | somebody said mark was Basically --MARK-- is syslogd telling you it hasn't crashed. Or give Mark a root shell and he'll stop spamming your logs. To disable the --MARK-- messages, edit /etc/init.d/sysklogd and change the SYSLOGD="" line to read SYSLOGD="-m 0" then run /etc/init.d/sysklogd restart |
| 13:27.11 | amorphix | they try to do everything but do nothing well |
| 13:27.16 | directhex|work | i'm not dead! i'm getting better! |
| 13:27.34 | smoser | debian's initrd writes 256 (ramdisk) to /proc/kerne/sys/real-root-dev, and stores off the original value. |
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| 13:27.37 | e2e | directhex|work: But there is only this lines |
| 13:27.55 | directhex|work | e2e, all clear on the western front, then |
| 13:27.58 | amorphix | slyboots hi |
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| 13:28.16 | smoser | that way, the ramdisk's /sbin/init gets called. it locates the real / and then execs /sbin/init from that slash. What benefit does restoring "real-root-dev" give ? |
| 13:28.18 | amorphix | slyboots a fellow BY debian user :) |
| 13:28.22 | mwelsh | crap, so system event sounds work, but when i load a .ogg into xmms, it freezes. |
| 13:28.35 | mwelsh | it plays fine as root though... |
| 13:28.36 | smoser | ie, the /sbin/init from the initrd replaces what was originally there |
| 13:28.40 | amorphix | i wish KDE wasnt so buggy |
| 13:28.49 | slyboots | BY debain user? |
| 13:28.55 | slyboots | what the heck is that? |
| 13:28.55 | amorphix | blueyonder |
| 13:28.58 | Ikaruszsszzz | slyboots: that is mad |
| 13:29.00 | slyboots | Oh, dont remind me |
| 13:29.16 | Ikarus | Does it crash the box ?, or X ? |
| 13:29.19 | e2e | streuner: Why i can't see any other messages about my system events? |
| 13:29.24 | amorphix | slyboots do you have enough memory |
| 13:29.29 | asg | e2e: look in /var/log/syslog |
| 13:29.29 | slyboots | I know its mad, Wine starts okay, it loads the program and then the screen blanks out |
| 13:29.38 | slyboots | (LED blinking so.. unsure) |
| 13:29.52 | jethro | led blinking is not good |
| 13:29.53 | amorphix | Wine needs alot of memory |
| 13:29.54 | slyboots | Cant do anything else after that but reboot the machine |
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| 13:30.05 | slyboots | Im sure I have enough to run MSN Messenger |
| 13:30.13 | amorphix | hehe |
| 13:30.14 | Ikarus | slyboots: DON'T DO THAT |
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| 13:30.22 | amorphix | why the hell are you running MSN Messenger |
| 13:30.22 | jethro | you want to run msn messenger with wine? |
| 13:30.23 | streuner | e2e: read what i told you |
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| 13:30.27 | smoser | amorphix, independent of memory availability, no program run as a normal user *should* be able to crash your machine. |
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| 13:30.29 | amorphix | just run kopete or gaim |
| 13:30.30 | Ikarus | slyboots: use gaim or something like that |
| 13:30.30 | jethro | taht's SICK! |
| 13:30.32 | slyboots | Well its just a test program |
| 13:30.42 | slyboots | It happens with any Exe |
| 13:30.46 | Ikarus | slyboots: notepad is a test program |
| 13:30.48 | smoser | slyboots, you runnign as root? |
| 13:30.51 | amorphix | smoser: true |
| 13:30.54 | slyboots | No, Normal user |
| 13:30.57 | e2e | streuner: And that files contains this lines: Apr 22 08:24:59 debian last message repeated 7 times |
| 13:30.57 | Ikarus | slyboots: are you using windows dlls ? |
| 13:31.11 | slyboots | ... no? Not that Im aware of |
| 13:31.12 | streuner | !tell e2e about mark |
| 13:31.43 | slyboots | I just installed wine and tried to use it |
| 13:31.49 | slyboots | Then the screen blanks ect.. |
| 13:31.56 | smoser | slyboots, if i had to guess, based on the very limited info that we have, I'd say there is a bug in wine that is exploting a bug in X that is crashing your box. |
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| 13:32.23 | slyboots | Well there is no feedback, thats why Im asking if anyone else has suffered this problem |
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| 13:32.36 | smoser | so nobody knows why debian's initrd resets the 'real-root-dev' to the original value? |
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| 13:33.13 | smoser | slyboots, I'd *hope* that if you ran the wine app to display in X nest inside your real X server that you at least wouldnt' crash the machine. |
| 13:33.19 | smoser | that'd give you the ability to debug a bit. |
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| 13:33.31 | smoser | or if you put the DISPLAY to another machine. |
| 13:33.32 | poh | how do I create an iso from an audio cd? |
| 13:33.34 | slyboots | Well, How do I do that? |
| 13:33.55 | directhex|work | poh, you can't. iso means ISO9660 file system, cd audio doesn't use IS9660 |
| 13:34.02 | smoser | slyboots, no promises, but apt-get install xnest. |
| 13:34.04 | e2e | streuner: I did it. Have my problem been solved? I mean can i see "normal" system messages in /var/log/messages? |
| 13:34.22 | directhex|work | gdmXnestchooser! |
| 13:34.24 | slyboots | Okay, installed |
| 13:34.26 | VinNafte | hms |
| 13:34.34 | smoser | run Xnest :8 and put then run wine with 'DISPLAY=:8 wine program.exe' |
| 13:34.53 | streuner | e2e: well, ping -c1 localhost |
| 13:35.00 | slyboots | Oooh, snazzy |
| 13:35.09 | VinNafte | basicly its this : i want to start a script with a certain user on boot. how to achieve this? (starting on boot is no problem, starting with the user it should be doesn't work) |
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| 13:36.07 | slyboots | Uh, anyone know where notepad.exe is on a windowds install? |
| 13:36.13 | jpeg | VinNafte do you mean run as a certain user? or run when the user logs in? |
| 13:36.15 | slyboots | ... I've never actuly had to go and find it before :D |
| 13:36.17 | abrotman | slyboots: wrong channel ? |
| 13:36.17 | shining | lol |
| 13:36.30 | e2e | streuner: I've pinged, but couldn't see any new entry neither messages or syslog log files |
| 13:36.36 | slyboots | Not quite abrotman , I just need it to test wine |
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| 13:36.43 | poh | slyboots: I think it is in C:\Windows |
| 13:36.54 | slyboots | Thanks Poh |
| 13:36.54 | abrotman | slyboots: maybe ... c:\windows\system32 ? |
| 13:37.00 | abrotman | ah .. in both places |
| 13:37.02 | poh | directhex|work: Thanks |
| 13:37.04 | slyboots | Its C:\Winnt\notepad.exe :D |
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| 13:37.19 | streuner | e2e: apt-get install ippl |
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| 13:37.23 | slyboots | Right, Testing wine now |
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| 13:37.30 | slyboots | If I suddenly exit wel, it dident work |
| 13:37.56 | VinNafte | jpeg run as a specified user |
| 13:38.06 | slyboots | Hmm.. |
| 13:38.09 | slyboots | It killed the shell |
| 13:38.35 | VinNafte | when the box boots it should start the script with a user that ain't logged in at that time |
| 13:38.36 | galaxico | help |
| 13:38.40 | slyboots | X Error of failed request: BadMatch (invalid parameter attributes) |
| 13:38.40 | slyboots | <PROTECTED> |
| 13:38.40 | slyboots | <PROTECTED> |
| 13:38.40 | slyboots | <PROTECTED> |
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| 13:38.52 | galaxico | with sftware RAID1 |
| 13:38.55 | slyboots | Woops |
| 13:39.04 | slyboots | Sorry :D |
| 13:39.22 | e2e | streuner: Nothing changed :( I've also restarted some services to see if it logs, but it doesn't |
| 13:39.29 | shining | !help |
| 13:39.31 | SlayerXP | !help |
| 13:39.41 | slyboots | Okay, I'll dump the output in flood smoser |
| 13:39.43 | galaxico | i want to install on Software RAID 1 with Debian Sarge any help? |
| 13:39.44 | shining | pfff it sucks |
| 13:39.53 | SlayerXP | galaxico: try asking a question,. |
| 13:40.00 | shining | galaxico, why do you need help? |
| 13:40.07 | abrotman | slyboots: #winehq perhaps ? |
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| 13:40.13 | abrotman | use real raid :) |
| 13:40.18 | jpeg | VinNafte: well, init runs as root, so you could put su - user in a script and run the process. |
| 13:40.25 | galaxico | to install Debian on a software RAID 1 array |
| 13:40.26 | slyboots | Worth a try :D |
| 13:40.37 | directhex|work | galaxico, when you say software raid 1, do you mean mdadm or windows-based software raid? |
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| 13:40.48 | jpeg | VinNafte: I mean, in a S99local script in /etc/rc2.d |
| 13:40.50 | SlayerXP | galaxico: what _exactly_ do you need help with? |
| 13:40.53 | shining | galaxico, damn wtf |
| 13:40.54 | galaxico | i suppose mdadm |
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| 13:40.59 | shining | galaxico, WHAT IS the matter ? |
| 13:41.04 | smoser | slyboots, won't pretend to know much more than I've already told you. I'll join #flood though. |
| 13:41.12 | slyboots | Okay |
| 13:41.20 | shining | galaxico, just boot on netinst and set up your raid |
| 13:41.31 | amorphix | streuner: still no sound, same i/o error for dev/dsp :-/ |
| 13:41.42 | VinNafte | jpeg thx gonna try that |
| 13:41.49 | directhex|work | galaxico, the sarge installer will do raid installations. i did it yesterday. |
| 13:41.54 | streuner | amorphix: /msg dpkg sound |
| 13:42.00 | amorphix | thanks |
| 13:42.04 | galaxico | the matter is that after configuring the raid the installer fails to create the partitions correctly |
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| 13:42.25 | SlayerXP | galaxico: and? |
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| 13:43.11 | galaxico | seems it cannot find the correspondig device eg /dev/md/0p1 |
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| 13:43.55 | galaxico | directhex can you tell me how didi you do it? |
| 13:45.00 | directhex|work | galaxico, i just went through the menus. created some partitions on the drives for use as raid devices, and made new md nodes around them. seemed simple enough |
| 13:45.43 | galaxico | ok i did the same but!!! i will try with the latest installer and see if it is a problem of old version! thanks |
| 13:46.37 | smoser | anyone know of an easy way to call xnest ? i know at one point in the past, you could simply do something like: Xnest :8 & sleep 5 & xterm -display :8 |
| 13:46.41 | smoser | but that doesn't seem to work any more |
| 13:46.51 | smoser | now I have to setup mcookies and such |
| 13:47.03 | Delph | sleep 5 & ? |
| 13:47.15 | greycat | hardly useful. |
| 13:47.30 | smoser | Delph, just wait a while for it to start. |
| 13:47.30 | greycat | sleep 5; xterm -blah & |
| 13:47.37 | smoser | oh |
| 13:47.41 | smoser | you're right |
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| 13:50.34 | e2e | http://www.rafb.net/paste/results/eo4mc494.html How can i stop this guys? My auth.log files full with this type of attack reports |
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| 13:51.05 | jethro | e2e: use pubkey authentication |
| 13:51.10 | slyboots | Well, that didnet work |
| 13:51.12 | jethro | e2e: and disable password auth |
| 13:51.34 | overnout | e2e: you may disable soem users |
| 13:51.44 | overnout | and allow only specific users |
| 13:51.52 | e2e | Building a web server seems very difficult task for me :( How can i learn a simple tasks about building and securing a web server |
| 13:51.58 | e2e | jethro: How can i do that? |
| 13:52.04 | greycat | e2e: you seem to be doing well enough so far |
| 13:52.12 | jethro | e2e: PasswordAuthentication no in you sshd_config |
| 13:52.16 | greycat | e2e: man sshd_config |
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| 13:52.25 | streuner | amorphix: Does your sound working now? |
| 13:52.44 | jethro | e2e: you might want to disable pam too, or modify pam.d/ssh or else enabling s/key will mkae pam code allow password authentication even if you set what I just told you |
| 13:52.54 | overnout | e2e: to allow only specific users edit /etc/ssh/sshd_config and put "AllowUsers abc dfe xyz" |
| 13:52.55 | jethro | s/mkae/make |
| 13:53.13 | streuner | gone |
| 13:53.23 | AngelGabriel | Can I use DD to turn a directory into an ISO? |
| 13:53.31 | e2e | jethro: I will be able to connect via ssh, won't i? |
| 13:53.41 | streuner | AngelGabriel: mkisofs |
| 13:53.43 | Delph | AngelGabriel: the traditional way is to use mkisofs |
| 13:53.43 | jethro | e2e: using public keys to authenticate |
| 13:53.52 | jethro | e2e: man ssh-keygen |
| 13:54.08 | AngelGabriel | streuner, Delph - Thanks guys ... I think I'll have to check the man pages now! |
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| 13:54.16 | e2e | overnout jethro greycat: Thanks |
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| 13:54.35 | jethro | e2e: you're welcome, my pleasure to help one securing their systems :) |
| 13:54.47 | chaimj | is there anyone running Debian/hppa online ? |
| 13:54.50 | overnout | ;) |
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| 13:55.18 | ulti | can anyon help me with my second scsi disk, cause it doesnt want to ge mounted :S |
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| 13:55.26 | jethro | e2e: did you forbid root logins? |
| 13:55.42 | thoron | Why does last -i show random IP-address when you log in via gdm. |
| 13:55.47 | greycat | ulti: give all the details. |
| 13:55.49 | streuner | AngelGabriel: mkisofs -o /tmp/blah.iso -J /somewhere/ |
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| 13:56.14 | ulti | greycat: hang on i'll post in in flood |
| 13:56.32 | AngelGabriel | I've just had a look @ the man pages, *@ streuner * what's the J switch for? |
| 13:56.45 | streuner | AngelGabriel: Joilet |
| 13:56.49 | galaxico | regarding software RAID 1 i tried with the d-i rc3 and it did not work either! any ideas |
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| 13:56.58 | AngelGabriel | streuner, ahh.. i see - I would have missed that. Thanks |
| 13:57.12 | e2e | jethro: I want to connect as root, but creating a user account, connect with it and get root with su seems a better idea |
| 13:57.19 | e2e | jethro: Is it? |
| 13:57.25 | jethro | e2e: it is |
| 13:57.34 | streuner | AngelGabriel: look in the man-page what you need..., i just give you an example because mkisofs isn't easy |
| 13:57.43 | e2e | jethro: Ok, i'll do that, thanks again |
| 13:57.44 | ulti | greycat: check out #flood |
| 13:57.50 | jethro | e2e: allowing root logins and password authentication makes one able to bruteforce the password for the root account |
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| 13:58.05 | jethro | e2e: which is something you *don't* want to occur |
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| 13:58.20 | poh | kde seems to be monopolizing my sound device, does it provide a device for me to use? |
| 13:58.27 | Pendragon | One of my colo servers is taking dives at night, I checked syslog, kernlog and faillog |
| 13:58.33 | Pendragon | there is no sign of why |
| 13:58.49 | Pendragon | does anyone here know of any system diagnostics tools? |
| 13:59.37 | greycat | 09:59 Ignoring MSGS from ulti |
| 13:59.44 | overnout | e2e: i've seen a nice article how to secure your ssh on freebsd ...most thinks should work on debian http://www.onlamp.com/pub/a/bsd/2002/11/28/FreeBSD_Basics.html |
| 13:59.48 | s-toned | kdcop freezes here with an hourglass, are there alternatives in debian? |
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| 14:00.05 | thingfish | Pendragon: it's spontaneously rebooting? |
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| 14:00.46 | Pendragon | no |
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| 14:00.53 | Pendragon | spontaneously halting |
| 14:00.59 | Pendragon | like the power switch is getting hit |
| 14:01.03 | Pendragon | no log of it |
| 14:01.20 | Pendragon | no halt commands and no one is in the system at the time of it going down |
| 14:01.28 | e2e | overnout: Thank you |
| 14:01.28 | Pendragon | there are only two people with access |
| 14:01.37 | Pendragon | it had been up for 180 days before that |
| 14:01.59 | Pendragon | Me and my roomate are the only ones with access, we use ssh with a 2064 bit key |
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| 14:02.20 | Pendragon | password auth is off, so I am sure it wasn't hacked |
| 14:02.22 | Pendragon | or hope |
| 14:02.26 | jii | Anyone knows when xfce 4.2 works with debian??? |
| 14:02.35 | e2e | I need a complete reference for debian and building secure services (apache, ssh, mail, ftp) with it. I think i have to reread securing debian. Is there any other documents? |
| 14:02.40 | thingfish | Pendragon: yeah, sounds more like hardware anyway, at least to me. |
| 14:02.58 | Pendragon | I know, do you know of any diagnostics tools? |
| 14:03.07 | Pendragon | I can install with aptitude? |
| 14:03.22 | thingfish | memtest86+ for memory and (indirectly) cpu |
| 14:03.23 | overnout | e2e: the Debian reference is very good |
| 14:03.25 | aliumalik | does the default kernel come with acpi built in? |
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| 14:03.32 | Pendragon | yep rean that already |
| 14:03.39 | Pendragon | nice 10 memtest 2G |
| 14:03.39 | streuner | !chkrootkit |
| 14:03.39 | dpkg | chkrootkit is known to generate false positives on recent (2.4.24 and 2.6.*) kernels - it will complain about a few "processes hidden from the ps command". |
| 14:03.40 | treestone | Pendragon: The first thing I would check is cooling, e.g. a fan stopped working. Overheating can result in the symptoms you reported. |
| 14:03.49 | thingfish | came up clean? |
| 14:03.55 | thingfish | evidently |
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| 14:04.20 | Pendragon | True, but memtest is eating 96.6 reported on TOP, |
| 14:04.27 | Pendragon | if it was overheating, it would do so now |
| 14:04.51 | streuner | Pendragon: well, that tool should work 24 hrs.... |
| 14:04.56 | thingfish | um, I thought you had to boot to memtest |
| 14:05.00 | overnout | e2e: http://www.debian.org/doc/manuals/reference/reference.en.html |
| 14:05.03 | Pendragon | it is in a shared datacenter, at the Planet in Huston, we don't have access to it physically |
| 14:05.06 | e2e | jethro: I've disable'd password auth, and added AllowUsers username. But can't connect now |
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| 14:05.21 | Pendragon | we got them to boot it |
| 14:05.24 | jethro | e2e: you created public keys right? |
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| 14:05.28 | Pendragon | their support center |
| 14:05.28 | overnout | e2e: you need to create a key |
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| 14:05.35 | jethro | e2e: and you still have a shell open right? |
| 14:05.39 | overnout | e2e: ant put you public key on the server |
| 14:05.50 | e2e | jethro overnout: Yes i've created, and still an open shell |
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| 14:06.02 | treestone | Pendragon: With smart-capable disks you could check the disk temperatures, at least. |
| 14:06.02 | jethro | e2e: nice :) |
| 14:06.03 | Pendragon | other than memtest, do you know of any other tests? |
| 14:06.09 | aliumalik | does the default kernel source (from kernel.org) come with acpi built in? |
| 14:06.23 | streuner | Pendragon: /var/log/*? |
| 14:06.30 | Pendragon | I'll take a look at that |
| 14:06.30 | jethro | e2e: have the public key on the server, as .ssh/authorized_keys, and have your private key on your client system |
| 14:06.50 | Pendragon | yeah /var/log/syslog, /var/log/kernlog /var/log/faillog |
| 14:07.00 | Pendragon | I spent an hour reading them all, they all show nothing |
| 14:07.03 | treestone | Pendragon: And with an acpi-enabled kernel you could check temp. with acpi -V |
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| 14:07.14 | Pendragon | just postifix making the last entry before it crashed |
| 14:07.15 | thingfish | Pendragon: I sure can't think of anything that would help you diagnose this. It almost sounds like it's time to start swapping parts out. |
| 14:07.23 | Pendragon | I agree |
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| 14:07.31 | Pendragon | I am going to go google smartd |
| 14:07.52 | Pendragon | brb |
| 14:07.57 | treestone | Pendragon: hddtemp can read smart-capable ide as well as scsi disks. |
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| 14:09.53 | Pendragon | fuck the bitch just went down again |
| 14:09.58 | Pendragon | I bet it is temperature |
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| 14:10.11 | Pendragon | You're probebly right, a fan |
| 14:10.12 | e2e | jethro: It's .ssh/id_rsa.pub, isn't it? |
| 14:10.15 | Pendragon | hddtemp? |
| 14:10.27 | streuner | Pendragon: do you have lm-sensors installed? |
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| 14:10.36 | streuner | !info hddtemp |
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| 14:10.40 | dpkg | hddtemp: (Utility to monitor the temperature of your hard drive), section utils, is extra. Version: 0.3-beta13-8 (sid), Packaged size: 39 kB, Installed size: 148 kB |
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| 14:10.50 | streuner | !info hddtemp woodyx |
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| 14:10.52 | streuner | !info hddtemp woody |
| 14:11.08 | e2e | jethro: And, my local name is not same at server, so at the end of the public key there is my local username and hostname. Do i have to change these? |
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| 14:11.16 | streuner | Pentra: its not in woody/stable |
| 14:11.26 | streuner | Pendragon: its not in woody/stable |
| 14:11.38 | Pendragon | well, when I get it back up, I will use it |
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| 14:11.52 | aliumalik | anyone here have experience with compiling their own kernels? |
| 14:11.54 | slyboots | Well this just royaly sucks |
| 14:12.18 | streuner | aliumalik: why do you think you need to compile an custom kernel? |
| 14:12.23 | Pendragon | I gotta go deal with this shit, |
| 14:12.27 | Pendragon | thanks for your help |
| 14:12.33 | streuner | good luck |
| 14:12.37 | Pendragon | thanks |
| 14:12.44 | thingfish | have fun! |
| 14:12.48 | Pendragon-away | lol |
| 14:12.49 | Pendragon-away | fun |
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| 14:13.34 | thingfish | with an insulated handle, of course. |
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| 14:14.07 | slyboots | I dont think wine is going to work :P |
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| 14:14.17 | slackmartian | could someone point me in the right direction, i've been running slackware a while now, but i want a good package system, so i though debian would be good, which version should i pick, and is it hard to use compared to slack? |
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| 14:14.35 | axelx | hello how do i close another terminal? |
| 14:14.36 | directhex|work | slackmartian, desktop or server? |
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| 14:14.41 | slyboots | woops |
| 14:14.45 | greycat | !d-i slackmartian |
| 14:14.48 | dpkg | slackmartian, you want to go to http://www.debian.org/devel/debian-installer/ - for your own good, and everyone else's. |
| 14:14.49 | thingfish | slackmartian: sarge, I would suggest, if you're needing a desktop. |
| 14:15.06 | slackmartian | directhex|work: It's for desktop mostly, im going to run fluxbox, no kde or gnome |
| 14:15.11 | axelx | please help if anybody knows |
| 14:15.15 | RichiH | !factinfo d-i |
| 14:15.15 | dpkg | d-i -- last modified at Wed Jan 12 10:50:00 2005 by Phated!~dyana@cm143.omega122.maxonline.com.sg; it has been requested 999 times, last by gahan, 3h 48m 18s ago. |
| 14:15.26 | slackmartian | but i might want to set up ftp samba nfs or something like that |
| 14:15.31 | greycat | !factinfo CMD: d-i (.*?) |
| 14:15.32 | dpkg | CMD: d-i (.*?) -- created by directhex|work <jms@dhcpa13.comlab.ox.ac.uk> at Tue Feb 1 15:03:34 2005 (79 days). |
| 14:15.32 | RichiH | the new phrasing is great, imho :) |
| 14:15.40 | axelx | i disconnected from ssh but the terminals remained, i don't know how to close them! |
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| 14:15.40 | RichiH | greycat: ah, yes, of course |
| 14:15.52 | axelx | -with all it's processes |
| 14:16.04 | greycat | axelx: man ps; man kill |
| 14:16.21 | directhex|work | slackmartian, but you're not serving to the big wide world over the intarweb? sarge currently doesn't get speedy security updates from the debian security team, as it's not yet been released - but it's pretty stable, very usable, and the best choice in most cases of desktoppery |
| 14:16.48 | axelx | greycat ok. i kill bash, but other processes, created by terminal remain |
| 14:16.56 | axelx | do i have to remove them manualy? |
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| 14:17.10 | greycat | axelx: *what* are these processes that all ignored the SIGHUP? |
| 14:17.13 | Delph | directhex|work: though saying that, testing seems to be a bit ropey at me at the moment; eclipse, firefox and thunderbird keep segfaulting with no obvious cause. |
| 14:17.27 | greycat | are they commercial crapware? |
| 14:17.40 | cheale1 | Delph: on which arch? |
| 14:17.46 | Delph | cheale1: i386 |
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| 14:17.51 | axelx | greycat ØÓ |
| 14:18.02 | axelx | greycat mc |
| 14:18.09 | chealer | Delph: are you sure your hardware is OK? |
| 14:18.16 | slackmartian | directhex|work: well, so debian sarge would be the best to use, can you tell me how it will function compared to slackware, im talking not having to be doing source compilation and messing up cluttering the system, and stability and speed... |
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| 14:18.20 | davee | I'd like to install Debian on an Intel-branded server (something like http://www.intel.com/design/servers/accessories/sc5200/index.htm ): specs for some of these RAID controllers only mentions 'RH Enterprise, RH9, Suse Enterprise' as supported. Presumably it is possible to get these to work under Debian with the right kernel foo; anyone here ever done this? |
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| 14:18.22 | streuner | axelx: OO you mean OO converted over alien? |
| 14:18.34 | thingfish | I have had times where I experienced multiple and common segfaults in various apps, and it always turned out to be hardware. |
| 14:19.13 | greycat | davee: it would be easier for us if you'd just say which device actually has issues with linux, and even better for us, if you said which linux kernel you need to avoid those issues. |
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| 14:19.32 | thingfish | so Delph, keep that in mind. |
| 14:19.34 | directhex|work | slackmartian, apt does its job well. |
| 14:19.39 | slackmartian | also, someone told me that the package system is a bit hard to work out, im just looking for a system i can use without having messed up flooded files |
| 14:19.45 | Delph | chealer: i think it's something gtk-related, as non-gtk apps are fine. |
| 14:19.47 | directhex|work | Delph, memtest86. |
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| 14:19.55 | directhex|work | slackmartian, you were misinformed. |
| 14:20.01 | chealer | Delph: it would be unfair to complain that eclipse segfaults in a release which doesn't have it |
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| 14:20.07 | greycat | there's nothing hard about "apt-get install foobar" |
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| 14:20.14 | axelx | streune shall i kill getty? |
| 14:20.20 | streuner | amorphix: Does your sound working now? |
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| 14:20.32 | streuner | axelx: hell, NO |
| 14:20.32 | RichiH | greycat: i beg to difer |
| 14:20.33 | RichiH | E: Couldn't find package foobar |
| 14:20.40 | Delph | chealer: ok, so mozilla-firefox and mozilla-thunderbird are segfaulting =:) |
| 14:20.41 | directhex|work | "apt-get install gentoo" |
| 14:20.50 | Delph | eclipse also happens to be a gtk app, and also segfautls. |
| 14:21.09 | davee | greycat: Well, there are a number of specs available. Something with a Intel SRCS16 RAID card in seems to be a popular choice ... although there aren't many hits on that when googling |
| 14:21.17 | slackmartian | directhex|work: sounds good, any sites to find packages? or does it search automaticly when i invoke apt-get install "package" == |
| 14:21.19 | axelx | streuner or only those processes that have pst/[num] i wanna kill? |
| 14:21.21 | Delph | directhex|work: yeah, might go for that |
| 14:21.21 | amorphix | hi streuner, unfortunately it doesnt :-( I went thru the module checking, i have modules loaded for both my motherboard sound system and my pci soundcard... but i still get dev error and no sound |
| 14:21.29 | chealer | Delph: try to upgrade gtk before trying memtest then |
| 14:21.30 | greycat | "RAID card".... that's frightening. |
| 14:21.35 | Delph | chealer: been doing that =:) |
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| 14:21.50 | amorphix | streuner: i'm also already in audio user group |
| 14:21.54 | chealer | Delph: or run them in gdb and try to google the issue |
| 14:21.55 | axelx | streuner *pts - excuse me... |
| 14:21.55 | streuner | amorphix: disable the onboard-chip in BIOS |
| 14:22.02 | amorphix | okay |
| 14:22.13 | directhex|work | slackmartian, apt-cache search foo bar baz |
| 14:22.14 | chealer | Delph: see if the backtraces have something in common |
| 14:22.14 | davee | greycat: How so? |
| 14:22.16 | amorphix | i will try |
| 14:22.18 | Delph | gah, yes. All things I'm going to do sometime. Just pointing out that testing isn't *that* stable atm =:) |
| 14:22.21 | directhex|work | slackmartian, or packages.debian.org |
| 14:22.33 | greycat | davee: real server RAID hardware presents the RAID system as a single virtual SCSI disk. |
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| 14:22.43 | streuner | axelx: somebody else told you before... |
| 14:22.43 | chealer | Delph: probably not quite general |
| 14:22.51 | greycat | there's no "RAID card". There's a "RAID cabinet" or similar, and you attach to it with a SCSI cable. |
| 14:23.12 | Delph | chealer: i've heard other complaints about firefox... still, probably should look at what the problem is before going any further. |
| 14:23.17 | greycat | (or in the case of larger ones, two or more virtual SCSI disks, since there's a 2 TB limit on the size of a single disk) |
| 14:23.50 | chealer | Delph: of course you've heard other complaints about it. people run it with plugins and extensions, and it merely hit 1.0 |
| 14:23.50 | davee | greycat: Yeah, but the OS needs to support the controller, surely? |
| 14:23.52 | SiliconViper | Any idea what would make the Sarge Installer just hang at the 'Detecting CDROM' part? |
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| 14:23.58 | greycat | davee: the SCSI controller, yes. |
| 14:24.13 | directhex|work | SiliconViper, leave it for a couple of minutes, it can sometimes take a very long time with iffy disk controllers |
| 14:24.15 | streuner | SiliconViper: Did you verify the iso via md5sum? |
| 14:24.22 | chealer | Delph: plus it's the dominant browser. and it *is* not perfect, but I wouldn't say it should crash easily |
| 14:24.22 | slackmartian | directhex|work: ftp://ftp.no.debian.org/pub/linux/debian-iso/images/3.0_r5/i386/ will these pacakges be the right ones? couldnt find sarge anywhere, is that like a setup inside debian installer? |
| 14:24.24 | axelx | streuner ps -t? |
| 14:24.36 | SiliconViper | streuner, I think so. I'm guiding a guy through the installation. |
| 14:24.38 | directhex|work | slackmartian, no, that's not it |
| 14:24.39 | streuner | axelx: man ps, man kill |
| 14:24.49 | directhex|work | slackmartian, if you went to the url you were given, you'd have it |
| 14:24.54 | ulti | greycat: cfdisk /dev/sdb gives this |
| 14:24.55 | directhex|work | slackmartian, i'll try again. |
| 14:24.56 | chealer | Delph: I've seen thunderbird crash once, and I use it since 0.1 |
| 14:24.58 | directhex|work | !d-i slackmartian |
| 14:24.59 | dpkg | slackmartian, you want to go to http://www.debian.org/devel/debian-installer/ - for your own good, and everyone else's. |
| 14:25.00 | streuner | SiliconViper: make that sure, don't think or believe |
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| 14:25.28 | ulti | <PROTECTED> |
| 14:25.28 | ulti | <PROTECTED> |
| 14:25.28 | ulti | <PROTECTED> |
| 14:25.47 | davee | greycat: Don't see what you're trying to say. I need OS support for a particular controller, we disagree about the terminology; I think "RAID card" is a reasonable term to use for a controller which provides a SCSI interface on to a disk array |
| 14:26.00 | davee | I am looking for Debian-specific info on support for that controller |
| 14:26.04 | Gumby | can anyone tell me how to exit out of a screen session on the local box. I though it was ctrl+AC or ctrl^+AC. That closes the iptraf session but when I type "exit" from that console it brings me right back into iptraf |
| 14:26.07 | greycat | davee: *sigh* |
| 14:26.09 | slackmartian | directhex|work: thanx, ill have a look at it:) |
| 14:26.19 | greycat | 0000:03:0b.0 SCSI storage controller: Adaptec AHA-3960D / AIC-7899A U160/m (rev 01) |
| 14:26.27 | greycat | /dev/sda1 1.6T 1.2T 443G 73% /data1 |
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| 14:26.39 | axelx | streuner i'll go crazy of it... shall i redirect ps list to kill? |
| 14:27.00 | davee | greycat: What's that tell me? |
| 14:27.07 | greycat | the SCSI controller is a PCI card. It's inside the computer. It's connected by a standard SCSI *cable* to an external box. In the external box are 16 SATA disks in a RAID 5 configuration, plus a motherboard, daughterboard, RAM, power supplies, etc. |
| 14:27.33 | greycat | The Debian system KNOWS NOTHING AT ALL about what's inside that RAID box. It's just a huge fuckin' SCSI disk as far as Linux knows. |
| 14:27.38 | directhex|work | greycat, tut tut, /data1 isn't very standards-basey. |
| 14:27.38 | ulti | greycat: and i've added this to fstab /dev/sdb1 /glftpd/site ext3 defaults 0 0 |
| 14:27.53 | greycat | ulti: did you mkfs.ext3 /dev/sdb1 yet? |
| 14:28.16 | slackmartian | directhex|work: one more q, how many iso's do i need to get the system, kernel and fluxbox up and running? |
| 14:28.27 | onre | well what are "standard-basey" locations for large amounts of disk then? |
| 14:28.31 | ulti | greycat: nope, how do i do that ? |
| 14:28.34 | directhex|work | slackmartian, the 110mb net install iso, and a net connection |
| 14:28.36 | greycat | ulti: I just told you. |
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| 14:28.54 | Delph | chealer: ooi, if I attach gdb to a running process (easier than trying to rewrite the debian shell script to call it with gdb) will it still behave as usual: will i be able to get info when it segfaults. |
| 14:29.05 | directhex|work | onre, well... /mnt/data1! |
| 14:29.10 | slackmartian | directhex|work: that might not work, im on wlan with a complicated wlan chip... |
| 14:29.21 | ulti | greycat: k thnx |
| 14:29.24 | onre | directhex, no points. /mnt is supposedly for temporary mounts :P |
| 14:29.31 | directhex|work | slackmartian, define "complicated" |
| 14:29.36 | SiliconViper | streuner, will do. |
| 14:29.37 | chealer | Delph: I must have done that once or twice...I guess so, but can't confirm |
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| 14:30.05 | cyphedude | hello. anyone notice that in gdm 2.6, the gdm-restart, gdm-stop and gdm-safe-restart scripts are missing? just wondering if someone can confirm this on their system. I just upgraded from 2.4 -> 2.6, and the scripts are now gone |
| 14:30.21 | axelx | streuner am i so stupid? |
| 14:30.21 | greycat | cyphedude: dpkg -L gdm | less |
| 14:30.22 | cyphedude | they should be in /usr/sbin |
| 14:30.25 | ulti | greycat: thanx man it worked |
| 14:30.28 | streuner | axelx: do you have a screenshot about? |
| 14:30.31 | slackmartian | directhex|work: complicated as its not running during boot... |
| 14:30.45 | directhex|work | slackmartian, what _IS_ it? |
| 14:30.46 | slackmartian | its not i the kernel, its a TI chip |
| 14:30.49 | streuner | axelx: can you that box just reboot? |
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| 14:31.04 | gonenowhere | do i have to get active x control for linux or windows for wine to use it? |
| 14:31.07 | axelx | streuner no. i use ssh |
| 14:31.10 | SiliconViper | cyphedude, did you check /etc/init.d/ ? Sounds like the same scripts. |
| 14:31.26 | gonenowhere | for a game running under wine to use it* |
| 14:31.29 | streuner | axelx: yeah, can you the remote box reboot? |
| 14:31.59 | axelx | streuner 1. i don't know is it possible to reboot from ssh 2. it is webserver |
| 14:32.07 | directhex|work | gonenowhere, i wasn't aware wine could use the activex control |
| 14:32.21 | directhex|work | slackmartian, then you'll need CD1, which has kernel source on it |
| 14:32.58 | streuner | axelx: ok, just show us a screenshot, if we don't know an answer just ask the people there, its possible or not |
| 14:33.08 | axelx | streuner by the way is it posible to rebot from ssh? |
| 14:33.25 | streuner | axelx: sure in some cases |
| 14:33.30 | davee | greycat: You have an external box, I do not. The servers I'm referring to are single box systems. It has a controller, SRCS16, for which I need kernel support. I can't find anything in the kernel docs which mention this card, and Intel's support only refers to full OSes rather than kernels. Where can I find that sort of it? |
| 14:33.49 | streuner | axelx: usually yes |
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| 14:34.00 | slackmartian | directhex|work: cd1 has system and kernel? so i can get the system up and running, or only kernel? |
| 14:34.06 | greycat | davee: that's why I find that "RAID card" frightening. God only knows what it really is. |
| 14:34.10 | axelx | i remove the processes manually. the terminals are not shown by who now. but some old processes remained |
| 14:34.13 | gonenowhere | well i need a game to run under wine and it said it neede active x control |
| 14:34.20 | davee | greycat: OK, point taken :-) |
| 14:34.30 | directhex|work | slackmartian, cd1 has the installer, x, gnome, kde, compilers - the most commonly used stuff. |
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| 14:35.01 | axelx | streuner what is getty? |
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| 14:35.14 | slackmartian | directhex|work: thank you, so the other cds has various extra pacakges... |
| 14:35.19 | streuner | !info mgetty |
| 14:35.24 | slackmartian | which i can install later ono |
| 14:35.24 | dpkg | mgetty: (Smart Modem getty replacement), section comm, is optional. Version: 1.1.33-1 (sid), Packaged size: 165 kB, Installed size: 272 kB |
| 14:35.51 | streuner | axelx: man getty |
| 14:36.02 | directhex|work | slackmartian, yes. or when you get a net connection up, you can install up to date packages from the intarweb |
| 14:36.17 | streuner | axelx: it opens for you a login shell |
| 14:36.36 | streuner | <PROTECTED> |
| 14:36.36 | streuner | <PROTECTED> |
| 14:36.36 | streuner | <PROTECTED> |
| 14:36.41 | slackmartian | directhex|work: thank you!! |
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| 14:36.48 | streuner | debhelper: ! |
| 14:37.04 | axelx | streuner i have tty1-tty6 getty processes in the pslist. but there are only two shells opened. is it normal? |
| 14:37.31 | streuner | where is debhelper? |
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| 14:38.26 | streuner | Why doesn't debhelper worked? |
| 14:38.35 | cyphedude | SiliconViper - yes, in init.d gdm is there, but no gdm-restart etc (that came with 2.4). on another note, i can't kill it either. typing "killall gdm" shows "no process killed", top shows no gdm daemon running, but tryint to launch gdm in a term shows "gdm already running. aborting"... wtf? |
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| 14:39.06 | SiliconViper | cyphedude, /etc/init.d/gdm restart |
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| 14:39.29 | cyphedude | SiliconViper, "gdm already running. Aborting!" |
| 14:39.35 | SiliconViper | ... |
| 14:39.35 | streuner | axelx: call those people who gives you the server, and ask them is it possible to reboot or not |
| 14:39.49 | slackmartian | directhex|work: what about the system i general, boot files and stuff, are they much alike bsd setup? or like slack for that matter...? |
| 14:40.07 | axelx | streuner it's hard to do now |
| 14:40.18 | streuner | axelx: why? |
| 14:40.32 | axelx | streuner it's in another country |
| 14:40.34 | directhex|work | greycat, you can answer slackmartian's last question better than i can. |
| 14:40.42 | cyphedude | SiliconViper, ok... now i'm getting somewhere... /etc/init.d# ./gdm restart, showed the follwing : stopping gnome display manager - gdm not running, starting gnome display manager: gdmgdm already running. Aborting!".. this is really weird |
| 14:40.51 | greycat | debian uses sysv init, not BSD style init |
| 14:40.59 | greycat | !rc.local |
| 14:40.59 | dpkg | i heard rc.local is the boot script for BSD/slackware/redhat systems but is considered to be a hack for lazy people. Use the sysvinit method via update-rc.d or read /etc/init.d/README or "man update-rc.d", "apt-get install rcconf", or try "sysvconfig", or /etc/rc.boot/ directory, /etc/init.d/bootmisc.sh file and /etc/init.d/skeleton template. If you don't like SysV, consider file-rc. |
| 14:41.17 | Gumby | does anyone here know how to grab an IP from a MAC address? I am looking at iptraf here and I see some MAC addresses that I dont recognize and I'd like to see what their IP's are |
| 14:41.19 | Obscene_CNN | hello, I was wondering if someone could tell me how to prevent debian from starting up with the graphical login? |
| 14:41.24 | directhex|work | !nodm |
| 14:41.25 | dpkg | Debian does not use a specific runlevel for graphical display managers by default. Just remove the dm package(s) with "apt-get remove xdm kdm wdm login.app gdm pdm". "update-rc.d -f xdm remove" and friends will also disable the dm until a package update is installed and the runlevel symlinks are restored.. NEWSFLASH! echo "false" >/etc/X11/default-display-manager, or a temporary solution is to hit ctl-alt-fN to get to a console |
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| 14:41.45 | slackmartian | thanx;) |
| 14:41.51 | slackmartian | cleared a bit |
| 14:41.53 | streuner | greycat: debhelper didn't work... |
| 14:42.07 | greycat | streuner: *shrug* |
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| 14:44.53 | shakparl | but is considered to be a hack for lazy |
| 14:44.54 | shakparl | <PROTECTED> |
| 14:44.56 | shakparl | haha |
| 14:45.05 | streuner | greycat: Maybe dondelelcaro modified it, because we had yester 1 hr. you left almost over 4-5 minutes. a flood-attac |
| 14:45.22 | greycat | streuner: ask dondelelcaro or ElectricElf |
| 14:45.32 | shakparl | !kernel version |
| 14:45.33 | dpkg | To determine which kernel version you are running use the command: uname -r |
| 14:45.35 | greycat | I know nothing at all about debhepler's guts |
| 14:45.45 | shakparl | !kernel |
| 14:45.48 | dpkg | Linux kernel versions, stable: 2.6.11.7, prepatch: 2.6.12-rc3, 2.4: 2.4.30, snapshot: 2.4.30-bk3, 2.2: 2.2.26, prepatch: 2.2.27-rc2, 2.0: 2.0.40, -ac patch: 2.6.11-ac7, -mm patch: 2.6.12-rc2-mm3 |
| 14:45.51 | directhex|work | they're red and squishy |
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| 14:46.14 | greycat | directhex|work: oh, like cables? :) |
| 14:46.22 | directhex|work | greycat, yes! |
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| 14:46.50 | PerfDave | Does anybody know whether an Intel SRCS16 SCSI card will be seen by the Sarge installer? I can't find any information about which kernels support it. |
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| 14:46.55 | asg | directhex|work: mine are blue, I guess the heart isn't working right then |
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| 14:47.59 | greycat | PerfDave: I know a way to find out. |
| 14:48.02 | jojo123 | hi all. i use openbox and need gdm to start my apps in ~.xsession. xdm does it. but not gdm. anyone has any ideas? |
| 14:48.50 | meneg | Hello, anyone getting segfaults on oggenc? (I have a webpage with a gdb backtrace in case someone is willing to help a bit, thanks) |
| 14:48.52 | mikeX | jojo123, do you use plain openbox, or openbox/gnome? |
| 14:48.57 | directhex|work | jojo123, tell gdm to use "default system session", not "openbox", as session type |
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| 14:49.21 | greycat | meneg: with *any* self-ripped .wav from CD, or just with one particular input file? |
| 14:49.54 | meneg | greycat: it segfaults anything I try actually, raw pipe, wav, anything. |
| 14:49.54 | jojo123 | mikeX, i am using plain openbox |
| 14:50.12 | greycat | meneg: never heard of that... check the BTS? |
| 14:50.16 | meneg | greycat: with -b 64 it goes up to 90-95% of encoding and then it segfaults again |
| 14:50.20 | mikeX | jojo123, oh don't know then : ( |
| 14:50.23 | greycat | meneg: bad RAM? |
| 14:50.25 | meneg | greycat: bts? |
| 14:50.27 | greycat | !bts |
| 14:50.28 | dpkg | methinks bts is the Bug Tracking System for Debian packages, http://bugs.debian.org/ or to go directly to the bug page for a particular package, try http://bugs.debian.org/packagename or anyone running unstable who's unable to check the BTS should be shot on sight. apt-get install reportbug, and check out querybts too. sid users, apt-get install apt-listbugs, or apt-get install apt-listchanges |
| 14:50.41 | jojo123 | directhex|work, why would that make a difference? |
| 14:50.42 | meneg | uhm, I dont think so, it's the only program that gives me than |
| 14:50.52 | PerfDave | greycat: Yeah, but I don't want to spend $bignum on a server only to have to RTB it because I can't get Debian installed on it :p |
| 14:50.54 | shakparl | what's the best kernel for a 3.0 ghz Pentium-4 with hyperthreading? |
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| 14:51.00 | greycat | shakparl: -686 |
| 14:51.06 | greycat | shakparl: or -686-smp maybe |
| 14:51.23 | Delph | well, that was easy. |
| 14:51.25 | jojo123 | mikeX, if i used gnome i would just have it handle my session for me, but since openbox doesn't have a session manager i need to rely on xsession |
| 14:51.35 | directhex|work | jojo123, because gdm does't parse ~/.xsession if you select a session from the list. "default system session" tries ~/.xsession first, and failing that uses x-session-manager |
| 14:51.37 | shakparl | greycat: thx |
| 14:51.38 | shakparl | !smp |
| 14:51.38 | dpkg | [smp] (Symmetric Multi Processing) This refers to a technology where a computer uses multiple processors to process different instructions at the same time, in separate processing units. It is a form of parallel computing. or Single Member Plurality, which is the Canadian electoral system., or rtfm! http://www.phy.duke.edu/brahma/smp-faq/ |
| 14:51.50 | mikeX | jojo123, yes, that would have been my point : ) |
| 14:52.17 | directhex|work | !smp is also the right option for Hyperthreaded Pentium 4's |
| 14:52.17 | dpkg | directhex|work: okay |
| 14:52.31 | Delph | ooh, what does "Previous frame inner to this frame (corrupt stack?)" mean? |
| 14:52.36 | jojo123 | directhex|work, ahhh. very nice to know. thanks a bunch, i will try that right away. |
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| 14:53.05 | directhex|work | jojo123, that's how i used to use xfce4 and have apps starting on login. |
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| 14:53.19 | greycat | ~/.gnomerc |
| 14:53.20 | apt | ~/.gnomerc is the startup file for gdm, or <hippie> .gnomerc looks like it's pronounced "no mercy", or set the DEBUG_GNOME_SESSION variable to make ~/.gnomerc act sane |
| 14:53.56 | Jester_ | mos def |
| 14:55.39 | Obscene_CNN | Can anybody tell me how to prevent debian from starting up using the graphical login? |
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| 14:55.53 | greycat | Obscene_CNN: you were already told 20 minutes ago |
| 14:55.58 | greycat | Obscene_CNN: /msg dpkg nodm |
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| 14:56.19 | directhex|work | hm, never heard of gnomerc |
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| 14:56.28 | directhex|work | ~factinfo /.gnomeirc |
| 14:56.28 | apt | directhex|work: there's no such factoid as /.gnomeirc |
| 14:56.29 | davi | What is the package to install "nc" ? |
| 14:56.30 | Obscene_CNN | okay, sorry. didn't know that was for me. |
| 14:56.32 | directhex|work | ~factinfo /.gnomerc |
| 14:56.32 | apt | /.gnomerc -- created by greycat <~wooledg@imadev.eeg.ccf.org> at Tue Jun 25 16:37:39 2002 (1031 days); last modified at Thu Feb 13 21:30:33 2003 by greycat!~wooledg@imadev.eeg.ccf.org; it has been requested 17 times, last by greycat, 3m 12s ago. |
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| 14:56.42 | asg | Deggy: netcat |
| 14:56.43 | streuner | !info nc |
| 14:56.46 | asg | bah |
| 14:56.49 | asg | davi: netcat |
| 14:57.06 | Deggy | hi guys i am real new to linux and need some assistance |
| 14:57.15 | davi | thanks asg |
| 14:57.17 | jethro | !tell Deggy -about smart questions |
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| 14:57.56 | SlayerXP | Deggy: well, top tip: learn to ask clear and concise questions in a manner that suggests you've tried to solve the problem yourself. |
| 14:58.11 | greycat | and give details! |
| 14:58.12 | streuner | haha |
| 14:58.13 | Deggy | i have postfix installed, but need it to be set up to accept mail authenticated by un/pw but not ip as we have people travelling and their ips float |
| 14:58.15 | SlayerXP | !tell deggy about smart questions |
| 14:58.28 | Deggy | i have read lots of stuff but am totally confused |
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| 14:58.38 | SlayerXP | Deggy: also avoid metaquestions. |
| 14:58.40 | greycat | postfix plus SMTP AUTH sounds like a job for #postfix |
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| 14:58.44 | asg | Deggy: have you asked in #postfix yet? |
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| 14:59.00 | Deggy | good ide thank you |
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| 15:00.43 | jerome_mex | \close |
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| 15:02.40 | jojo123 | directhex|work: worked like a charm. I've spent hours reading through forums today without having the answer. thanks a bunch! |
| 15:03.23 | directhex|work | jojo123, good good. this is the support you're paying for |
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| 15:03.43 | cartman | what was the command to make dpkg-reconfigure asks you *all* questions again? |
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| 15:03.49 | directhex|work | (paypal address is directhex@hotmail.com ;P) |
| 15:03.57 | jojo123 | directhex|work: you bet |
| 15:04.19 | streuner | cartman: base-config :-P |
| 15:04.29 | PerfDave | dpkg-reconfigure -plow ? |
| 15:04.55 | amorphix | streuner: i have sound, but ive lost my events sounds in KDE |
| 15:05.02 | cartman | streuner: it was something like setting a variable before dpkg-reconfigure like I_SCREWED_SOMETHING_ASK_ME_AGAIN dpkg-reconfigure .. |
| 15:05.15 | streuner | amorphix: and if you enable ARTS no sound then? |
| 15:05.30 | cartman | PerfDave: yep! :) |
| 15:05.32 | amorphix | i will check |
| 15:05.34 | streuner | cartman: ? |
| 15:05.59 | asg | jojo123: Turkish bucks? |
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| 15:06.22 | cartman | PerfDave: thanks |
| 15:06.24 | cartman | see you guts |
| 15:06.25 | cartman | guys |
| 15:06.27 | cartman | bah :) |
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| 15:07.13 | Trewas | he should have said screw you guys instead before leaving, clearly an impostor |
| 15:07.15 | jojo123 | asg: bucks is a general term for for "squids" cooked in soya-sauce and put on a oval shaped dish |
| 15:07.26 | asg | mmmm bacon |
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| 15:07.30 | mikeX | isn't there a way to get a resolution higher than 800x600 without the need to run dpkg-reconfigure just after a sarge installation (not in expert mode)? |
| 15:07.41 | mikeX | for X |
| 15:07.43 | jojo123 | bye all! |
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| 15:07.49 | greycat | depends on the video card |
| 15:08.19 | Obscene_CNN | and the monitor settings |
| 15:08.23 | mikeX | greycat, well, debconf skips the resolution question, is that based on the video card driver selected? |
| 15:08.29 | directhex|work | and whether you set x up right in the first place |
| 15:08.30 | shakparl | acxtually |
| 15:08.30 | jethro | and the shape of the moon as well |
| 15:08.39 | shakparl | you can use the advanced or simple xconfig i thought |
| 15:08.41 | takatumi | most of the reports here are of 800x600 default, I guess the higher resolutions by default aren't reported. |
| 15:08.52 | tarzeau | takatumi! |
| 15:09.13 | jethro | because you rule it all |
| 15:09.25 | takatumi | tarzeau: hi, ocp is nice btw. |
| 15:09.26 | mikeX | greycat, it's not every possible path : P |
| 15:09.27 | Obscene_CNN | I had to manually edit my XF86 configure file to get anything higher than 1024x768 |
| 15:09.36 | Pendragon | Yea |
| 15:09.41 | tarzeau | takatumi: thanks. oh let me finish it for another upload |
| 15:09.48 | Pendragon | it was the fan on the u1's ps |
| 15:09.50 | mikeX | i'm just saying that d-i skips the resolution question about X |
| 15:09.54 | greycat | I don't even know what a "default install" is any more. |
| 15:10.03 | greycat | default for me probably != default for you. |
| 15:10.10 | directhex|work | d-i diesn't install x |
| 15:10.18 | mikeX | well ok, not d-i |
| 15:10.37 | mikeX | say, selecting 'Desktop Environment' from tasksel at base-config |
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| 15:10.43 | tarzeau | mikeX: don't |
| 15:10.54 | greycat | most of the regulars here don't use tasksel |
| 15:10.57 | tarzeau | it'll install you all the shit that you can hardly get rid of |
| 15:11.14 | mikeX | tarzeau, well i generally don't, i'm asking cause that's the simplest thing to say to someone new |
| 15:11.19 | tarzeau | without even checking if there's enough place on the destination |
| 15:11.23 | mikeX | when i tell them, go install debian ... |
| 15:11.24 | tarzeau | it's so uberbroken! |
| 15:11.27 | takatumi | heh, like gnome and kde with all the toys. |
| 15:11.36 | tarzeau | mikeX: well tell them to do ALWAYS minimal installs |
| 15:11.45 | tarzeau | takatumi: most ugly shit ever! |
| 15:12.07 | mikeX | tarzeau, well they're gonna be overwhelmed by aptitude : ( |
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| 15:12.40 | mikeX | they'll have no idea what to install, most don't even know what X is... |
| 15:12.52 | takatumi | tarzeau: http://gpoppy.org/eye_candy.jpg |
| 15:12.57 | tarzeau | mikeX: give them livecd.gnustep.org |
| 15:13.03 | mikeX | : ) |
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| 15:13.18 | takatumi | tarzeau: oh, come on. |
| 15:13.20 | tarzeau | takatumi: horrible nightmare! |
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| 15:13.48 | tarzeau | takatumi: and damn are these icons ugly! |
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| 15:14.00 | takatumi | tarzeau: hehe |
| 15:14.00 | slackmartian | Is it possible to merge one partition over to another without affecting the one to merge with? |
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| 15:14.14 | tarzeau | slackmartian: you could copy the files? |
| 15:14.24 | slackmartian | I have free space after xp, dont have any use for it as it is |
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| 15:14.48 | takatumi | tarzeau: I do these occasional DE tests, just tried KDE the other day. |
| 15:15.02 | slackmartian | tarzeau: i have one partition with 160 gig and one with 10 gig, i want one with 170 gig |
| 15:15.04 | tarzeau | takatumi: i do them too, but they frustrate me badly |
| 15:15.08 | mikeX | and if tasksel is so broken, why does it come up by default in base-config package selection? |
| 15:15.13 | takatumi | tarzeau: true. |
| 15:15.15 | tarzeau | slackmartian: i can't help you then |
| 15:15.16 | greycat | it's not "broken" per se. |
| 15:15.24 | jeanmi_ | I have a very old laptop that can't boot from the CD but only from floppy/HDD. Is there anything I could do with a floppy disk to get it to boot with a CD (a debian cd in that case) |
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| 15:15.31 | tarzeau | mikeX: not my fault. but when i reported this as a bug, they said it's fine how it is |
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| 15:15.44 | mikeX | oh : ( |
| 15:15.44 | slackmartian | jeanmi_: you could use nfs or ftp |
| 15:16.18 | directhex|work | jeanmi_, yes. |
| 15:16.23 | jeanmi_ | slackmartian I want to boot with 1 floppy. I am trying to avoid making the N boot floppies |
| 15:16.37 | directhex|work | jeanmi_, tough. you need more than 1 disk. |
| 15:16.48 | directhex|work | !rube goldberg install |
| 15:16.48 | dpkg | "Hi! I want to install Debian with a 2.6.x kernel on a machine, but I can't boot from floppies, and I can't boot from CD-ROM, and I have no network card. I have only a USB dot matrix printer and a punch card reader." |
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| 15:16.54 | takatumi | tarzeau: and the funny part is all the sounds and tweaks in KDE worked out of the box. (including ALSA and no I haven't configured dmix) |
| 15:16.59 | slackmartian | jeanmi_: what kind of cdrom is it? is it ht-swappable? |
| 15:17.08 | slackmartian | do it share space with the floppy drive? |
| 15:17.11 | jeanmi_ | yes it is |
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| 15:17.17 | mikeX | takatumi, is that gkrellm on the right? |
| 15:17.18 | jeanmi_ | it is a very old laptop |
| 15:17.31 | takatumi | mikeX: no, gdesklets. |
| 15:17.36 | slackmartian | jeanmi_: does it share dock with floppy drive? |
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| 15:17.50 | streuner | takatumi: http://weda.mine.nu/torsmo.png |
| 15:18.01 | mikeX | oh, and what about the the irc client? bitchX or irssi? |
| 15:18.01 | jeanmi_ | I have no dock but there is an external floppy driver |
| 15:18.23 | jeanmi_ | slackmartian the CD is inside (can be swapped) and the floppy out |
| 15:18.38 | directhex|work | http://apebox.org/imglibrary.php?section=three&browse=//Desktops/&image=desktop-20050417.jpg |
| 15:18.45 | slackmartian | jeanmi_: what is the name of the cdrom? |
| 15:19.02 | slackmartian | jeanmi_: yeah but u can use both cdrom and floppy at the same time? |
| 15:19.22 | jeanmi_ | slackmartian yes I should be able to |
| 15:19.24 | jethro | laters #debian |
| 15:19.26 | jeanmi_ | slackmartian lemme check the cd |
| 15:19.31 | takatumi | streuner: the last time I looked at torsmo, it wasn't this polished. looks much better now. |
| 15:19.53 | mikeX | http://users.ntua.gr/el01707/screen.png |
| 15:19.53 | jeanmi_ | slackmartian toshiba |
| 15:19.56 | takatumi | mikeX: irssi |
| 15:20.00 | amorphix | streuner: sound is very buggy, still getting sound server error when going into kde :-/ |
| 15:20.02 | jeanmi_ | slackmartian manufactured 1997 |
| 15:20.08 | streuner | takatumi: yeah, i need to get the hddtemp in torsmo, didn't manage to fix that yet |
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| 15:20.14 | slackmartian | ahh, only 15 mins left till i can burn a fresh copy of debian:) looking forward trying this:) |
| 15:20.20 | jeanmi_ | slackmartian model name no xm 1402b |
| 15:20.27 | directhex|work | eek! greek! |
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| 15:20.39 | chealer | slackmartian: time to prepare some coffee, you'll need it |
| 15:21.10 | mikeX | takatumi, which do you recommend between the 2 (if you 've tried both).. basically i wan a simple text client for unattended xdcc downloads running on 'screen' |
| 15:21.12 | slackmartian | jeanmi_: is it a toshiba satelite thingy? |
| 15:21.21 | jeanmi_ | slackmartian yes |
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| 15:21.31 | jeanmi_ | slackmartian toshiba sattelitte 200 cdt |
| 15:21.48 | jeanmi_ | slackmartian it runs windows at the moment |
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| 15:22.00 | jeanmi_ | slackmartian so i was thinking maybe I could use loadlin |
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| 15:22.51 | fatalerror | anybody here that used doc-central? |
| 15:23.01 | mikeX | directhex|work, yes! how do u know? |
| 15:23.02 | fatalerror | s/used/uses/ |
| 15:23.17 | takatumi | mikeX: irssi is all I use, dunno about the unattended downloads though. |
| 15:23.25 | directhex|work | mikeX, erm... all the menus and things are written with the greek alphabet? |
| 15:23.26 | mikeX | takatumi, oh ok, thanx |
| 15:23.30 | slackmartian | jeanmi_: u should run bootfloppy and chekc if the cdrom is detected first, you might find useful information from dmesg output |
| 15:23.34 | mikeX | directhex|work, : D |
| 15:23.41 | directhex|work | mikeX, on a .gr domain... |
| 15:23.46 | mikeX | : DD |
| 15:23.54 | streuner | amorphix: with xmms? |
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| 15:24.18 | mikeX | directhex|work, me wishes greek font rendering was less buggy though : (* |
| 15:24.28 | jeanmi_ | slackmartian ok then |
| 15:24.45 | takatumi | mikeX: your desktop is too cluttered for my liking, this is how I like it. http://gpoppy.org/2005-03-05-180006_1024x768_scrot.png |
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| 15:24.52 | slackmartian | jeanmi_: if you stuck, you could post me the dmesg and ill have a look for you |
| 15:25.21 | directhex|work | XD |
| 15:25.25 | directhex|work | nice desktop, takatumi |
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| 15:25.35 | takatumi | directhex|work: :) |
| 15:25.51 | directhex|work | takatumi, mine's pretty uncluttered, all things considered |
| 15:26.09 | mikeX | takatumi, : D you should see my 'downloading machine' desktop then : D just a terminal and a couple of screens |
| 15:26.11 | jeanmi_ | slackmartian thanks, I just need to find where I can download the boot floppy from /.... |
| 15:26.28 | mikeX | has anyone tried the ion windowmanager? |
| 15:26.38 | slackmartian | jeanmi_: check the root folder of ftp, you might find it there |
| 15:26.46 | asg | mikeX: yes, it's very nice |
| 15:26.48 | jeanmi_ | ok |
| 15:26.59 | Teemu_K | how I can renew my ip, Im getting it from dhcp, and I want to release my ip :I |
| 15:27.09 | mikeX | that should make for a convenient desktop |
| 15:27.12 | takatumi | mikeX: the like I gave you is ion |
| 15:27.16 | greycat | Teemu_K: why? what illicit activity are you contemplating? |
| 15:27.18 | takatumi | s/like/link |
| 15:27.20 | mikeX | oh |
| 15:27.39 | mikeX | is configuration hard? i hear you need to know lua or something to configure it |
| 15:27.52 | Teemu_K | greycat: just testing my wlan box, I wanna set static up to there, but now it just gives me my old one :I |
| 15:28.07 | takatumi | mikeX: that's what I heard, but I am kinda happy with it out of the box. |
| 15:28.42 | mikeX | oh nice : D, me would like ion3 in testing : P |
| 15:28.44 | asg | mikeX: you can use lua to do wonderful things. Out of the box, though, it's very usable. |
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| 15:29.32 | mikeX | i'm definately trying when i have some more time (this easter :D) |
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| 15:29.43 | takatumi | why can't I copy utf8 characters from an irssi window? it appears like this, 离, haha I typed this long sentence out thinking it wouldn't work, didn't work till yesterday. ;-/ |
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| 15:30.16 | directhex|work | takatumi, looks good here. chinese? |
| 15:30.22 | mikeX | ow, ion3 is in testing : D... me has to get the 2nd dvd |
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| 15:31.25 | eli_f_7733 | hi all |
| 15:31.34 | qwertz | Hi! Is there any way to prevent the execution of things like "rm -rf /" (should just prevent typing mistakes)? Tried with an alias but seems not to work, any ideas? |
| 15:31.34 | takatumi | directhex|work: dunnu, just saw it in steven_'s quit message, copying and pasting didn't work the last time I tried it, would come out like #. don't remember doing anything specific to fix it either. |
| 15:32.10 | takatumi | s/dunnu/dunno |
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| 15:32.21 | directhex|work | takatumi, copying and pasting from what to what? |
| 15:32.41 | takatumi | directhex|work: from irssi window to irssi window. |
| 15:32.48 | bbrazil | qwertz: shell script in ~/bin ? |
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| 15:32.51 | shakparl | how do i get kanji support for irssi |
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| 15:33.00 | directhex|work | takatumi, both terminals are utf8-enabled? |
| 15:33.00 | streuner | qwertz: put it into bashrc with i option |
| 15:33.22 | takatumi | directhex|work: yes, in screen, uxterm. |
| 15:33.23 | derek | whats the console irc client with the easy configure thing, i thought it was irssi-text but can't find what i remember |
| 15:33.30 | bbrazil | streuner: f overides i (which is really handy) |
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| 15:34.14 | derek | anyone? |
| 15:34.19 | asg | qwertz: the best way is to get into the habit of always understanding the full implications of the things you type. Having good backups is also key. |
| 15:34.25 | shakparl | url for step-by-step kernel upgrade? |
| 15:34.40 | bbrazil | streuner: further tests show it depends on order of arguments |
| 15:34.46 | asg | shakparl: apt-get install kernel-image (pick and install one that suits from the list) |
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| 15:34.58 | shakparl | asg: thx |
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| 15:36.04 | streuner | bbrazil: i personally prefer 'mc', rm is pretty powerful... |
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| 15:36.26 | mejo | hello |
| 15:36.31 | bbrazil | streuner: good argument, bit worried about running mc as root though |
| 15:36.33 | mejo | i need to run a backup script at boot time. |
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| 15:36.54 | asg | mejo: then do so |
| 15:36.58 | mejo | what's the best place/bootscript to add the call to? |
| 15:37.05 | asg | mejo: /msg dpkg rc.local |
| 15:37.05 | mejo | asg: where should i add it? |
| 15:37.34 | asg | mejo: particularly the second sentence |
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| 15:37.41 | nirz | hello :) |
| 15:37.58 | nirz | how i can install minimal KDE, wihtout all the toold :) |
| 15:38.00 | mikeX | how should i interpret the system load values? what's the scale? |
| 15:38.01 | nirz | tools^ |
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| 15:38.03 | jeanmi_ | slackmartian the only floppy driver I have at home is fucked :( |
| 15:38.06 | asg | nirz: #debian-kde |
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| 15:38.25 | mikeX | nirz, there should be several metapackages |
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| 15:38.35 | directhex|work | kdecore i thknk |
| 15:38.37 | jeanmi_ | slackmartian I guess loadlin is my only chance left |
| 15:38.44 | asg | mikeX: load is the number of processes in a runnable state over 1 minute, 5, and 15 |
| 15:38.46 | mikeX | nirz, one other approach is to install an application you need and let it satisfy it's dependencies |
| 15:38.57 | Arisu | hokay, so, I'm messing around with for loops, cuz, well, I've never bothered to learn how before. And I have hit a snag. While it may seem simple, I promise you it is a puzzle to everyone so far. Here is my command: for i in `ls -lsatr ~/test* | awk '{print $10}'`; do ls $i; done Now, the ls returns _no such file or dir_ BUT, an echo $i returns the proper filename. So, what in the world is causing it to come up 'no such file or dir' when I d |
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| 15:39.09 | mikeX | asg, thanx :D |
| 15:39.15 | directhex|work | Arisu, #bash |
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| 15:39.44 | nirz | mikeX, found it (its KDE-CORE) :) |
| 15:39.49 | nirz | thanks anyway :) |
| 15:40.14 | Debian|Pwns | hey can anyone help meh ?¿ ....... i need to kill whatever process is using port 8000 ... |
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| 15:40.26 | asg | Debian|Pwns: man fuser, man lsof, man kill, man pkill |
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| 15:42.30 | streuner | debiand00d: netstat |
| 15:42.40 | streuner | Debian|Pwns: netstat |
| 15:43.01 | mejo | asg: when is bootmisc.sh run, it's in rcS.d, so can i be sure that all the local filesystems are already mounted at the time of execution? |
| 15:43.48 | Debian|Pwns | Cool ta |
| 15:43.57 | asg | mejo: it runs at level 50 (on my box). Check the README in /etc/rcS.d for what that means |
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| 15:44.06 | directhex|work | S55 on this machine |
| 15:44.09 | FarrisG | If I touch /etc/nologin, will existing ssh sessions crap out? |
| 15:44.26 | asg | FarrisG: no, only new ones |
| 15:44.27 | bbrazil | FarrisG: no |
| 15:44.33 | FarrisG | I'm looking for a way to "close the barn door." Let current ssh sessions stay, but not allow new ones |
| 15:44.36 | FarrisG | ok, cool |
| 15:44.45 | slackmartian | i forgot the adress to debians package search site, could someone post it? |
| 15:44.47 | directhex|work | mejo, mountalll is S35 |
| 15:44.51 | directhex|work | !pdo |
| 15:44.51 | dpkg | http://packages.debian.org/ - here you can search for debian packages and their contents. Pretty Damned Obvious, isn't it? |
| 15:45.10 | slackmartian | lol, yeah, obvious:) |
| 15:46.41 | mejo | asg: directhex|work: thanks |
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| 15:47.02 | MDC | need help setting up isakmp between to gateways...anyone can help? |
| 15:47.14 | Debian|Pwns | Ahhh ... starting shoutcast i get > <04/22/05@16:45:32> [main] error opening source socket! FATAL ERROR! Some other process is using this port! < .... the only thing i can think of that could be using port 8000 is shoutcast .... but i cant get it working... |
| 15:47.19 | bykte | i got so many users account in my /etc/passwd, how do i know which one is valid ? |
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| 15:47.50 | asg | bykte: ? |
| 15:48.01 | qwertz | bbrazil, I want to have rm but not the ugly ones like -rf / or ~ |
| 15:48.10 | bykte | Asg, i mean, how do i know which account is system added? |
| 15:48.16 | bykte | not those added by normal users |
| 15:48.22 | asg | bykte: system accounts generally have /bin/false as the shell |
| 15:48.30 | bbrazil | qwertz: as I said, a script in ~/bin to clean up the 'bad cases' |
| 15:48.34 | asg | bykte: and most accounts should be in the UID 1-999 range |
| 15:48.40 | bykte | oh ok |
| 15:48.41 | slackmartian | directhex|work: compiling from source with debian would normally be ./configure && make make install right? couldnt find a package for my wlan... |
| 15:48.54 | bykte | bin, sys, daemon doesnt end up in /bin/false |
| 15:48.59 | bykte | does that mean it's not? |
| 15:49.02 | asg | bykte: I said generally |
| 15:49.05 | bykte | oh |
| 15:49.13 | asg | bykte: by default, the first user id should be 1000 |
| 15:49.33 | asg | bykte: UID_MIN 1000 (from /etc/login.defs) |
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| 15:49.40 | bykte | ok let me see |
| 15:49.58 | directhex|work | slackmartian, that depends. in most cases you'd want to install to /usr/local, though for kernel modules i'd install kernel-package and read man make-kpkg, especially the parts abut added-modules |
| 15:50.14 | asg | bykte: that doesn't mean that someone couldn't just run vipw and add an account with uid 99, just that the debian standard tools and defaults work with that UID_MIN val. |
| 15:50.34 | bykte | asg, anyway of checking whether i have been rootkitted? |
| 15:50.42 | asg | bykte: apt-get install chkrootkit |
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| 15:50.49 | bykte | ok ty |
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| 15:51.28 | asg | bykte: though it would be better to download and install it on a cdrom and run it from there since a compromised system might be able to thwart what chkrootkit does. |
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| 15:51.59 | bykte | but i dont think any dumb hackers is that good nowadays |
| 15:52.21 | asg | bykte: the good crackers are usually undetectable. |
| 15:52.41 | bykte | yeah, i am just doing a precaution, my freaking partner went to my house and steal my pass :< |
| 15:52.43 | takatumi | bykte: you could try rkhunter as well. |
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| 15:53.09 | bykte | ok takatumi |
| 15:53.17 | mckillroy | What about this ? Does it mean I cannot use grsecurity anymore ? http://forums.grsecurity.net/viewtopic.php?t=1152 |
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| 15:53.59 | adexta | so here's my problem |
| 15:54.05 | adexta | sound works in gnome |
| 15:54.08 | bykte | takatumi, i guess rkhunter is not in the apt-get list? |
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| 15:54.20 | takatumi | bykte: no. |
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| 15:54.21 | adexta | apt-cache search packagename |
| 15:54.30 | bykte | oh,it's not |
| 15:54.36 | bykte | hrm..makes life harder :> |
| 15:54.37 | adexta | sound works for my audio player |
| 15:54.37 | zetor | hello all! |
| 15:54.42 | adexta | and sound works for gaim |
| 15:54.46 | adexta | but not together |
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| 15:54.53 | stew | !tell adexta about enter |
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| 15:55.28 | raf256 | hi \o/ |
| 15:55.45 | cahoot | adexta: your card prbably doesn't do hw mixing - you need a soundserv or dmix (if alsa) |
| 15:55.54 | jeanmi_ | I need to use loadlin to install sarge. I can only find loadlin in a woody directory of the ftp server. is that still supposed to work with sarge ? |
| 15:55.56 | adexta | i have esd |
| 15:55.57 | zetor | anyone knows how to enable ssl-support on gftp(Debian Sid)? |
| 15:55.59 | raf256 | I wonder, how meany programmers in general use tools like vim,emacs |
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| 15:57.16 | bykte | damn how do i make a paste in putty, i dont have a mouse |
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| 15:57.45 | petemc | raf256: 25,672 |
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| 15:58.10 | raf256 | petemc: "how meany" as in "more or less then 50%" *duh* |
| 15:58.14 | Gge | Hello - The sarge-1"_--testing version 3 fails to install from CD . Error during installation of nano ? Is it a known problem ? |
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| 15:58.32 | el_sebas | <PROTECTED> |
| 15:58.39 | petemc | bykte: you can use screen |
| 15:58.54 | Gge | sarge-testing version 3 dated march 23 |
| 15:58.56 | bykte | oh ok |
| 15:59.02 | petemc | el_sebas: im not aware of any, if its not in the banner |
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| 16:01.03 | el_sebas | petemc: another way? I need to know the Qmail version of my server |
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| 16:01.32 | tarzeau | if i have a file run through od! |
| 16:01.38 | tarzeau | can i get the result back to the original? |
| 16:01.41 | bykte | aww that sucks, i can download from the site thru my com, but wget doesnt work remotely |
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| 16:02.12 | petemc | el_sebas: dpkg -l |
| 16:02.42 | el_sebas | petemc: the problem is that i didnt install it with dpkg |
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| 16:03.06 | petemc | el_sebas: no idea then, been years since i used qmail |
| 16:03.25 | derek | is there anyway to start xfce4 without wdm or xdm |
| 16:03.26 | ludi | how do I serve an X app over the network so that a windows client machine can use it? |
| 16:03.42 | petemc | derek: xfce-session, no? |
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| 16:03.46 | tarzeau | ludi: www.linuks.mine.nu/windows/sshx.html |
| 16:03.52 | takatumi | Gge: there doesn't seem to be a bug listed at bugs.debian.org/debian-installer you could try a daily build iso if that helps. |
| 16:03.55 | tarzeau | ludi: you want an x server on windows. but it sucks |
| 16:04.03 | karljp | anyone know how to get sound to work in java? |
| 16:04.04 | tarzeau | ludi: actually x sucks too |
| 16:04.06 | derek | petemc: gives me (xfce4-session:7195): Gtk-WARNING **: cannot open display: |
| 16:04.10 | tarzeau | karljp: wrong channel |
| 16:04.14 | petemc | derek: look in /usr/share/doc/xfce4* |
| 16:04.23 | takatumi | Gge: bug mentioning nano that is. |
| 16:04.24 | petemc | derek: starting that from where, how? |
| 16:04.29 | karljp | well, the .jar plays sounds on windows but not on my linux machine |
| 16:04.43 | derek | petemc: from the console, alt f1 |
| 16:04.44 | karljp | so I'm not convinced it's a problem for ##java |
| 16:05.29 | ludi | tarzeau: X11Forwarding no |
| 16:05.36 | ludi | tarzeau: can I just edit that to say yes? |
| 16:05.41 | tarzeau | ludi: yes |
| 16:05.54 | petemc | derek: im pretty sure theres a startup script for it in /usr/share/doc , and you need to read up on running 2 xservers |
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| 16:06.32 | flosch | hi |
| 16:07.02 | Delph | right, it's doing xmms as well, it *must* be a gtk thing. |
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| 16:07.24 | derek | im not trying to run 2, just don't really like xdm |
| 16:07.34 | derek | thanks petemc, i'll look in there |
| 16:07.50 | Gge | takatume : It is nano problem in the CD-RPM as it is detected by the "integrity check" of the installer |
| 16:07.54 | ludi | tarzeau: Do I have to start this 'amiwm' window manager? Can't I just run a single app over the wire instead of an entire window manager? Or am I not understanding something here..? |
| 16:07.55 | abrotman | karljp: java has sound? |
| 16:08.08 | Debian|Pwns | booting my box it starts sayin sumthin bout mail then it starts "updating ALIAS_FILE" ... and its like still there now |
| 16:08.11 | Gge | takatumi , sorry |
| 16:08.13 | karljp | well, it seems to :) |
| 16:08.20 | tarzeau | ludi: no, you can just run a single app |
| 16:08.26 | abrotman | karljp: do you know which sound device it's trying to use? .. that might clue you in a bit |
| 16:08.29 | tarzeau | ludi: but if it opens other windows , you can't move them |
| 16:08.43 | karljp | no, that's the bit I'm trying to work out. |
| 16:08.46 | tarzeau | ludi: so you want some sort of window manager... i like amiwm for remote x sessions |
| 16:08.47 | Gge | Takatumi : Si 'll erase the CD-RW and try again |
| 16:09.00 | karljp | the java exception is just that Audio Device Unavailable |
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| 16:09.12 | Gge | with the last daily build |
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| 16:09.15 | karljp | and I don't know how to work out what audio device it's trying to use, or how to to tell it to use another one. |
| 16:09.23 | ludi | tarzeau: "other windows" as in like a "save as..." dialogue box would you say? |
| 16:09.43 | zetor | gftp and ssl-support on Debian Sid...howto?? Anyone? |
| 16:10.03 | tarzeau | ludi: for example |
| 16:10.14 | tarzeau | ludi: depends on the gui toolkit |
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| 16:11.05 | Debian|Pwns | the last three lines booting the box are "Creating /etc/mail/relay-domains" > "#Optional file..." > "Updating ALIAS_FILE..." ... and its just gpt the flashing _ |
| 16:11.14 | Debian|Pwns | any ideas on whats goin on ?¿ please |
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| 16:14.00 | bykte | btw, if i point my ip to a specific nameserver, and resolving hostname is extremely slow, is it my fault or teh dns fault? |
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| 16:14.20 | jamsblast | please help me with a problem, recently I have install in my pc a Trio3d/2x video card and I attempt to start gdm, but the f.... xserver dont init |
| 16:14.37 | BrianAnthony | does anyone else here have a problem with gnome baker... I used apt-get to install it, but the first time I ran it, it crashed... and it won't run. |
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| 16:15.20 | tarzeau | BrianAnthony: tried bugs.debian.org/YOURPACKAGE ? |
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| 16:15.33 | BrianAnthony | tarzeau: no |
| 16:15.37 | tarzeau | BrianAnthony: try! |
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| 16:15.56 | tarzeau | BrianAnthony: what's the game about? |
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| 16:16.04 | TipTop | is there a manner to know which packages were installed after a given date? |
| 16:16.09 | tiojoao | oi |
| 16:16.26 | BrianAnthony | tarzeau: what game...? |
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| 16:17.21 | valdyn | BrianAnthony: run it from a terminal and watch the debugging output |
| 16:17.22 | pyr3 | Anyone here have any experience with compiling the kernel under AMD64? |
| 16:17.59 | jamsblast | help with the video card |
| 16:17.59 | valdyn | !anyone |
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| 16:17.59 | dpkg | ***anyone: No such nick/channel - and yes, there probably is someone, somewhere, who knows or runs it; that doesn't mean *I* do. |
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| 16:17.59 | BrianAnthony | jamsblast: check your logs |
| 16:17.59 | asg | pyr3: try #debian-amd64 |
| 16:17.59 | tarzeau | BrianAnthony: err what's gnome baker? |
| 16:17.59 | pyr3 | asg: Thanks. |
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| 16:18.02 | abrotman | tarzeau: cd burning util |
| 16:18.05 | valdyn | tarzeau: cd burning gui |
| 16:18.08 | BrianAnthony | tarzeau: It's a cd burning progam |
| 16:18.21 | abrotman | tarzeau: http://gnomebaker.sourceforge.net/ |
| 16:18.31 | valdyn | BrianAnthony: you could alsa try "graveman" |
| 16:18.37 | valdyn | s/alsa/also/ |
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| 16:19.10 | tarzeau | i thought it's some game for girls |
| 16:19.14 | tarzeau | (to learn cooking or so) |
| 16:19.20 | abrotman | that's gnustep |
| 16:20.14 | jose | \join #debian-es |
| 16:20.27 | bykte | come on, girls can play guys game why cant we? :D |
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| 16:20.43 | tarzeau | bykte: sure! |
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| 16:20.57 | tarzeau | bykte: but can boys play girls games? |
| 16:21.04 | toad_ | is #126181 current? |
| 16:21.07 | bykte | why not? :D |
| 16:21.14 | bykte | just have to bear with it |
| 16:21.17 | tarzeau | bykte: true |
| 16:21.23 | toad_ | it's marked as fixed but apt-listbugs shows it when i try to dist-upgrade |
| 16:21.37 | jamsblast | BrianAnthony: logs? ,mmm what logs? |
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| 16:21.39 | toad_ | it was apparently fixed 3 years ago... is this a bug in apt-listbugs? |
| 16:21.40 | stew | !dbugs 126181 |
| 16:21.42 | abrotman | toad_: might not have gotten into testing yet |
| 16:21.43 | dpkg | #126181:[exim] exim; Exim Pipe Hostname Arbitrary Command Execution Vulnerability (fixed) Sat, 22 Dec 2001 15:48:01 UTC |
| 16:21.50 | abrotman | heh |
| 16:22.01 | bykte | !dbugs 123456 |
| 16:22.05 | dpkg | DONE:#123456:W[wnpp] ITP: eazel-engine -- Crux theme for GTK+ Tue, 11 Dec 2001 17:33:03 UTC |
| 16:22.07 | toad_ | it's supposed to be fixed by exim 3.34; currently we are at 3.36 |
| 16:22.09 | bykte | cool :D |
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| 16:22.37 | toad_ | abrotman: bug in apt-listbugs? |
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| 16:22.47 | abrotman | toad_: file a bug on apt-listbugs ? |
| 16:22.48 | toad_ | this is sid, and this vulnerability is 3 years old... |
| 16:23.09 | toad_ | search for bugs in apt-listbugs, first off... |
| 16:23.11 | b0xii | i'm not seeing a package for netsaint in stable... am I missing it or is it not there? |
| 16:23.17 | Debian|Pwns | can someone help me with this please .. during boot its gets stuck on something |
| 16:23.21 | Debian|Pwns | the last three lines booting the box are "Creating /etc/mail/relay-domains" > "#Optional file..." > "Updating ALIAS_FILE..." ... and its just gpt the flashing _ |
| 16:23.24 | petemc | b0xii: nagios |
| 16:23.38 | b0xii | petemc: gracias |
| 16:23.45 | toad_ | hmm, might be http://bugs.debian.org/cgi-bin/bugreport.cgi?bug=236683 |
| 16:23.47 | asg | petemc: he said stable |
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| 16:23.55 | petemc | asg: is it not in stable? |
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| 16:24.05 | abrotman | !info nagios stable |
| 16:24.07 | asg | petemc: no, netsaint is though |
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| 16:24.39 | petemc | feh |
| 16:24.55 | b0xii | when i apt-get install netsaint it fails |
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| 16:25.03 | asg | b0xii: it's in non-us |
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| 16:25.13 | valdyn | !info netsaint woody |
| 16:25.15 | dpkg | netsaint: (A host/service/network monitoring and management system.), section non-US, is optional. Version: 0.0.7c-0.1 (woody), Packaged size: 1449 kB, Installed size: 3632 kB |
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| 16:25.29 | petemc | says a lot.. |
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| 16:25.58 | b0xii | thanks |
| 16:26.39 | jamsblast | how to configure a Treo 3d video card in sarge? |
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| 16:26.53 | greycat | jamsblast: what chipset does it use? |
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| 16:26.57 | valdyn | !drxx jamsblast |
| 16:26.58 | dpkg | jamsblast: dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xfree86 (as root) |
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| 16:27.22 | greycat | Oh, you meant *Trio*. |
| 16:27.26 | greycat | good luck. |
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| 16:27.58 | greycat | if it's an S3 as I suspect, you'll need all the luck you can acquire. |
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| 16:28.26 | ludi | tarzeau: when I execute xs.exe on my windows xp client, the program starts then closes immediately |
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| 16:28.31 | ludi | tarzeau: is that normal? |
| 16:28.32 | sobersabre | hi. last 3 days i've learnt something new about evolution. |
| 16:28.42 | asg | jamsblast: if it's the really crappy one, you'll have to use the old xserver-s3 package |
| 16:28.44 | sobersabre | i want to share it with all of you... |
| 16:29.16 | mr_clark | Hi. I'm trying to set up a debian based distro (kubuntu) on an IBM A50 Think Centre PC. (Yes I know this isn't the kubuntu channel but from googling I've found others with this same sort of issue with debian specifically) However, the box keeps freezing up on me. It will run for several hours and then the GUI freezes solid. If I can get to a console I see the time randomly changing by a few seconds (back then forwards, etc) which see |
| 16:29.16 | mr_clark | ms to be causing the problem. |
| 16:29.17 | toad_ | should i file a new bug or should i add more info to #236683 ? it _might_ be that one... |
| 16:29.17 | jamsblast | asg: apt.get install xserver-s3 package??? |
| 16:29.17 | EdibleText | sobersabre, I had an intelligent creatr |
| 16:29.21 | resiak | !debian based |
| 16:29.21 | dpkg | Knoppix, Libranet, Corel/Xandros, Stormix, Progeny, Linspire, DamnSmallLinux, Xebian, Ubuntu, Mepis, and so on are *not* Debian. Just because something's "based on" Debian doesn't mean we can support it. We're supporting Debian, let your distro's support network support it. Ask me about "d-i". |
| 16:29.24 | resiak | mr_clark: ^^ |
| 16:29.27 | asg | jamsblast: yes |
| 16:29.41 | greycat | mr_clark: sounds like hardware to me. |
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| 16:29.49 | greycat | mr_clark: try replacing the motherboard or something |
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| 16:29.59 | mr_clark | Has anybody seen this sort of problem? again, from my searching it seems to be a problem with the P4 processor and hyperthreading, APIC, ACPI, something... |
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| 16:30.15 | mr_clark | greycat, Its a brand new PC. |
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| 16:30.20 | sobersabre | i'm talking about evo. groupware..evolution reads the messages from /var/mail/username on server. if you used mutt before it, you won't see messages read by it. so ... beware ! |
| 16:30.28 | mr_clark | I also had the same problem with a slightly older model of the thinkcentre. |
| 16:30.35 | mr_clark | Seems to be specific to the P4 processors. |
| 16:30.37 | asg | mr_clark: try booting with noapic acpi=off and a UP kernel (with HT disabled in the BIOS) and see if that helps. |
| 16:30.45 | greycat | mr_clark: does it work properly in *real* Debian? |
| 16:30.50 | valdyn | mr_clark: i have had _exactly_ that issue, caused by a not properly working disk drive |
| 16:30.52 | jamsblast | asg: in the sources.list i have to add stable??? |
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| 16:30.55 | mr_clark | greycat, haven't tried yet. |
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| 16:31.05 | asg | jamsblast: yes |
| 16:31.08 | jeanmi_ | how can I find out the content of the first woody iso without dowloading it ? |
| 16:31.16 | valdyn | mr_clark: that doesnt mean you likely have a disk related error, but it means that you need to find more info ( like in log files ) |
| 16:31.22 | asg | jeanmi_: by giving greycat a big hug |
| 16:31.24 | ludi | anyone have experience with the xs.exe X server for Windows? |
| 16:31.25 | jamsblast | asg: ok , thanks |
| 16:31.29 | greycat | !cd contents |
| 16:31.29 | dpkg | it has been said that cd contents is http://wooledge.org/~greg/woody-3.0r0-i386-X, where X is 1,2,3..7 |
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| 16:32.00 | mr_clark | valdyn, two different disk drives. Two different PCs. |
| 16:32.13 | FieldySnuts | I have a 1Gbps 64-bit NIC in my system. The light on the NIC shows 1G link, the switch shows 1G link. Kernel says 1G link, ethertool says 1G link. However mii-tool says 100. And I get 100Mbps speeds. Last night, I did see 1Gbps speeds, so I can't figure out what's changed... any ideas? |
| 16:32.18 | tarzeau | ludi: ahh some windows machines have this problem |
| 16:32.23 | tarzeau | ludi: try another x server |
| 16:32.33 | tarzeau | ludi: you can't get rid of windows? why not? |
| 16:32.37 | mr_clark | valdyn, nothing shows up in the logs. |
| 16:32.40 | greycat | oh look, they fixed the interweb. |
| 16:32.47 | greycat | I was actually able to do an apt-get update now. |
| 16:33.06 | resiak | !tell FieldySnuts -about any ideas |
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| 16:33.44 | greycat | FieldySnuts: maybe you weren't feeding data to it fast enough to see speeds over 100 Mb |
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| 16:34.18 | valdyn | mr_clark: you got 2 pcs you said, one of the identical components has to be responsible ( be that hw or sw ) |
| 16:34.24 | ludi | tarzeau: I'm at work here in a Windows world.....I'm the lone linux box :) |
| 16:34.45 | ludi | tarzeau: so if I just launch "xs.exe" it should load up a window that I can see on the screen, right? |
| 16:34.52 | tarzeau | ludi: change world, or change your box (pretend what you have is windows, when you really have linux) |
| 16:34.55 | doub | ludi: you can try cygwin's x server |
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| 16:35.05 | tarzeau | ludi: you can make a screenshot of yoru current windows desktop now, and use it as wallpaper |
| 16:35.14 | tarzeau | that might trick your boss thinking you really have windows |
| 16:35.20 | tarzeau | ludi: exactly |
| 16:35.26 | ludi | hehe |
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| 16:35.47 | ludi | I was actually looking for a firefox build that looked and behaved exactly like Internet Explorer, couldn't really find a good one |
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| 16:36.13 | mr_clark | http://groups.google.ca/groups?q=sarge+on+ibm+thinkcentre+a50&hl=en&lr=lang_en&selm=3iT1f-6lK-21%40gated-at.bofh.it&rnum=1 |
| 16:36.19 | resiak | ludi: Not necessarily. It may well be rootless. Have you tried starting it then running an X app? |
| 16:36.20 | CrypticSquared | ludi, why do you want ie/? |
| 16:36.20 | biblio | jkajskjd |
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| 16:36.24 | mr_clark | Thats somebody describing exactly the same issues with Sarge. |
| 16:36.25 | doub | tarzeau: this joke was fun with old m$ windows, like 3.1. fooling peole was so easy, and seing them become angry at the non-responsive thing... |
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| 16:36.47 | tarzeau | doub: yeah :) also with fake icons :) |
| 16:36.51 | bykte | is there a way to search which software in ur system is vulnerable to exploits and update it? |
| 16:36.53 | ludi | CrypticSquared: I don't want IE, but I thought I would try to trick my co-workers and see how long it took them to figure out it was firefox not IE. |
| 16:36.57 | tarzeau | doub: they click like mad and hurt the mouse , haha poor thing |
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| 16:37.08 | ludi | resiak: no I'll try now though thanks |
| 16:37.20 | asg | bykte: harden, bastille, tiger (/msg dpkg security) |
| 16:37.26 | CrypticSquared | ludi, you have ie at work? shame on you |
| 16:37.44 | valdyn | mr_clark: you already tried disabling acpi i suppose? |
| 16:37.46 | jeanmi_ | bykte apt-get update && apt-get upgrade |
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| 16:37.57 | bykte | jeanmi_, apt-get upgrade will kill the system |
| 16:37.59 | bykte | wont it |
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| 16:38.02 | jeanmi_ | bykte especially if you are using a stable distrib |
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| 16:38.16 | mr_clark | valdyn, I think so. I've tried so many different things. The box is booting right now and I've disabled hyperthreading. |
| 16:38.30 | jeanmi_ | bykte if you are using testing or sid then it's not that easy... |
| 16:38.33 | bykte | jeanmi_, so let's say if i am using woody 3.0 i just use apt-get upgrade and everything will be fine.. |
| 16:38.35 | bykte | right? |
| 16:38.42 | asg | bykte: yes |
| 16:38.46 | jeanmi_ | yes |
| 16:38.56 | bykte | ok here's goes :< |
| 16:39.06 | ludi | CrypticSquared: it's not *my* work, I don't own the place! :) |
| 16:39.09 | asg | bykte: make sure you have security sources and nothing else besides stable. |
| 16:39.15 | valdyn | mr_clark: pass to your kernel "acpi=off" if you havent tried that. |
| 16:39.22 | bykte | asg, how do i check that? |
| 16:39.30 | asg | bykte: /msg dpkg security |
| 16:39.34 | ludi | anyway, when I try to login with ssh it says access denied, do I need to enable ssh logins on my linux box or something like that? |
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| 16:39.48 | jeanmi_ | \/ |
| 16:39.58 | asg | bykte: also, check for any sources that don't say stable in /etc/apt/sources.list |
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| 16:40.00 | valdyn | !debug ssh |
| 16:40.01 | Empty | I will be needing a new laptop soon, and want something 100% 2.6 (stock)kernel happy(IE no winmodem, builtin wifi with open source drivers that actually work, etc)... Anyone now where I could find such a beast? |
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| 16:40.28 | asg | Empty: emperorlinux.com or .net |
| 16:40.31 | mr_clark | valdyn, Ok thanks for the suggestions. Do you think I should do that with the hyperthreading turned off? |
| 16:40.38 | ludi | trazeau: when I try to login with ssh it says access denied, do I need to enable ssh logins on my linux box or something like that? |
| 16:40.38 | CrypticSquared | lubi, well obviously you are doing something wrong if you dont own the place yet1 |
| 16:40.40 | Empty | asg thanks I will check that out |
| 16:40.55 | valdyn | mr_clark: doesnt matter, linux has no problem w/ ht |
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| 16:41.10 | mr_clark | okay. I'll reboot and try acpi off. |
| 16:41.12 | bykte | btw, what do you mean by non-us? |
| 16:41.17 | mr_clark | valdyn, Thanks. I'll be back.... |
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| 16:41.29 | pureone | non us software i belive |
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| 16:41.46 | Empty | !non-us |
| 16:41.47 | dpkg | [non-us] where we put software that cannot be distributed from the USA. For woody, use "deb http://non-US.debian.org/debian-non-US woody/non-US main contrib non-free" in sources.list, and deb-src if you want sources. Changes in legislation mean that post-Woody, there is no non-us, so you don't need it for Sarge, Etch or Sid. Ask me about "crypto". |
| 16:42.04 | bykte | oooj i see |
| 16:42.23 | Spec | I have this program running, torsmo, and it's all highly configurable...except it renders "\t" as blocks, or random symbols depending on the font i use, but it fails to render it as a font, any way to make that work? |
| 16:42.35 | Spec | err, as a tab* |
| 16:42.49 | ralf | use spaces |
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| 16:42.59 | Spec | i'm trying to make the text line up |
| 16:43.05 | Spec | and the text changes (weather) |
| 16:43.12 | Spec | hmm, wait, yeah, i'm an idiot |
| 16:43.15 | Spec | spaces'll work |
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| 16:45.07 | bykte | so the ultimate security is havig a cron job running apt-get upgrade every 30 mins :D |
| 16:45.25 | greycat | bykte: no. |
| 16:45.26 | asg | bykte: no |
| 16:45.27 | SlayerXP | bykte: s/security/stupidity/ |
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| 16:45.44 | asg | bykte: the ultimate security is not to play |
| 16:46.03 | bykte | lol |
| 16:46.09 | bykte | asg |
| 16:46.25 | bykte | just now u told me to look for anything that doesnt say stable in the /etc/apt/sources.list right? |
| 16:46.32 | sobersabre | is there a way to create screeenshots of debian installer ? |
| 16:46.32 | asg | bykte: yes |
| 16:46.40 | bykte | deb http://non-US.debian.org/debian-non-US woody/non-US main contrib non-free < does this count? |
| 16:46.46 | sobersabre | except taking digital camera |
| 16:46.49 | asg | bykte: woody is the codename for stable, that's fine |
| 16:46.50 | ludi | why can't I login via ssh to my linux box from another computer? I can login via ssh to my computer from within my computer just fine. |
| 16:46.58 | bykte | oh ok |
| 16:47.07 | KerPlunk | ludi, iptables |
| 16:47.08 | doub | sobersabre: with an emulator you can. try qemu |
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| 16:47.12 | sobersabre | ludi, what error do u get ? |
| 16:47.24 | ludi | "access denied", using putty for Windows |
| 16:47.39 | FieldySnuts | resiak: heh thanks for the any ideas |
| 16:47.46 | mwelsh | what is this symbol? ? |
| 16:47.47 | ludi | KerPlunk: not iptables issue for sure |
| 16:47.48 | sobersabre | ludi, what netstat -a | grep ssh shows ? |
| 16:47.54 | asg | mwelsh: question mark |
| 16:47.58 | mwelsh | heh |
| 16:47.59 | sobersabre | :) |
| 16:48.09 | ludi | tcp6 0 0 *:ssh *:* LISTEN |
| 16:48.12 | mwelsh | i guess it doesnt like pasting unicode |
| 16:48.21 | FieldySnuts | greycat: (about the NIC) well it's putting or getting (FTP) from/to a machine also with a 1G card, on a 1G switch, everything shows as 1G link minus mii-tool (which I don't think can even understand 1000Mbps) |
| 16:48.31 | resiak | FieldySnuts: Any time. |
| 16:48.36 | sobersabre | ludi, maybe you should make sshd listen on tcp instead of tcp6 |
| 16:48.45 | ludi | sobersabre: how? |
| 16:48.52 | sobersabre | make entry "Listen 0.0.0.0" |
| 16:48.55 | greycat | FieldySnuts: I wouldn't trust mii-tool either. |
| 16:48.56 | Overand | hey it's resiak |
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| 16:48.56 | Overand | =] |
| 16:48.57 | FieldySnuts | it's only listening on ipv6? |
| 16:49.00 | FieldySnuts | that's a new one on me |
| 16:49.07 | sobersabre | if you want to listen on all ipv4 interfaces |
| 16:49.14 | ludi | sobersabre: alright |
| 16:49.22 | sobersabre | and with which username are you trying to login ? |
| 16:49.25 | resiak | Overand: :) |
| 16:49.37 | resiak | Overand: EFNet scares me :) |
| 16:49.53 | ludi | sobersabre: do you mean ListenAddress 0.0.0.0 |
| 16:50.01 | Overand | heh |
| 16:50.03 | sobersabre | ludi, yes. |
| 16:50.05 | sobersabre | sorry |
| 16:50.08 | sobersabre | i am rusty |
| 16:50.15 | ludi | thx |
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| 16:50.29 | sobersabre | does this help ? |
| 16:50.36 | doub | FieldySnuts: you can try your network speeds with dd if=/dev/zero | netcat (just an idea that comes by) |
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| 16:51.10 | FieldySnuts | doub: i could, i don't see what advantage that has over dd however |
| 16:51.49 | doub | FieldySnuts: no protocol overhead, no disk i/o |
| 16:51.59 | jethro | disk i/o can be the bottleneck |
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| 16:52.19 | bykte | Do you want /usr/lib/ssh-keysign to be installed SUID root? <-- yes or no? |
| 16:52.26 | FieldySnuts | doub: true |
| 16:52.26 | asg | bykte: no |
| 16:52.28 | jethro | bkerin: no |
| 16:52.44 | FieldySnuts | doub: unfortunately last night I was getting Gbps speeds... and i haven't even chaned anything that i'm aware of. |
| 16:52.50 | FieldySnuts | pulling my hair out |
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| 16:53.02 | jethro | have you been drunk last night? |
| 16:53.08 | asg | FieldySnuts: any errors on the interfaces? |
| 16:53.18 | FieldySnuts | asg: none that i can see |
| 16:53.32 | FieldySnuts | asg: it works fine otherwise (it's being a server currently jsut fine, just at 100Mbps speeds) |
| 16:53.49 | bykte | How do you want to run Samba? daemons/inetd? |
| 16:54.06 | valdyn | bykte: and how do you? |
| 16:54.07 | asg | bykte: or not at all (if you have no intention of running it) |
| 16:54.28 | bykte | they dont give a choice of no.. :D |
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| 16:54.41 | asg | bykte: something you might want to do is read the harden-doc package for basic hardening information. |
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| 16:55.01 | bykte | ok then i will just press enter all the way |
| 16:55.09 | doub | FieldySnuts: maybe try a direct pc-to-pc cable connection, to exclude any switch misbehavior |
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| 16:55.25 | FieldySnuts | doub: nah, can't do that it's a full time server |
| 16:56.32 | valdyn | FieldySnuts: ethtool / mii-tool |
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| 16:57.04 | FieldySnuts | valdyn: ethtool says 1000 full duplex. mii-tool is old and doesn't understand 1000. |
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| 16:57.27 | Spec | yay, degrees and spacings work now, i'm happy ^.^ |
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| 16:57.34 | runedude | Hi.. Idk how to get my sound setup on debian. |
| 16:57.43 | Spec | !sound |
| 16:57.43 | dpkg | To configure sound in Debian *Woody*: first, use modconf to load your driver. Then add yourself to the audio group (adduser username audio) and logout and back in, or use sg command. If you use ISA PnP and 2.2.x, ask me about "isapnp sound". If you don't know what driver to use, use "lspci -v" and "pnpdump". Install a mixer (e.g. aumix) and make sure the volume is not set to zero in software. If you have no modules, ask me about "idepci". |
| 16:57.49 | raf256 | I think about moving my /usr/ to reiserFS - it is much faster in everyday use it seems |
| 16:57.53 | runedude | No.. This isnt woody. |
| 16:58.00 | Spec | !magic |
| 16:58.01 | dpkg | i guess magic is a tool and i am its taskmaster |
| 16:58.13 | raf256 | but JFS seems to be most realible so I wil leave it for /home.. is it a good choice? |
| 16:58.18 | valdyn | runedude: load the appropriate module, done |
| 16:58.30 | runedude | I'm on sid |
| 16:58.32 | runedude | (unstable) |
| 16:58.50 | runedude | And valdyn , i am not sure how to load the approriate module |
| 16:59.02 | valdyn | runedude: try modconf |
| 16:59.12 | doub | raf256: i've been told JFS and reiserfs does only metadata journaling. that is, if system crashes, your filesystem is consistent, but not file contents |
| 16:59.36 | valdyn | runedude: or type "modprobe <whatever>" ( my glass thingie didnt yet tell me your sound card ) |
| 16:59.47 | raf256 | doub: but that is only for files that where in cache while crash occured? |
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| 17:00.04 | runedude | Crap. Now my terminal wont load |
| 17:00.05 | runedude | brb |
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| 17:00.26 | doub | raf256: yes, all files open for writing, and cached |
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| 17:01.23 | Essobi | How do I clear the list of available packages, that is updated with apt-get update? I think mine is corrupted. |
| 17:01.35 | raf256 | doub: so readonly opened files are ofcourse safe always? |
| 17:01.39 | doub | raf256: that is, if you choose those, don't unplug or come out of battery during an upgrade |
| 17:01.55 | doub | raf256: i bet so |
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| 17:02.04 | valdyn | Essobi: apt-get update recreates that list .. |
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| 17:02.20 | raf256 | but in case of fail, every file will be either damaged (but FS will detect this and delete it) or perfectly safe? |
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| 17:02.32 | runedude | Ok, what was that command again? |
| 17:02.34 | raf256 | ..so that I could apt-get damaged files thoerticaly or restor from backup |
| 17:03.15 | runedude | !sound |
| 17:03.16 | dpkg | To configure sound in Debian *Woody*: first, use modconf to load your driver. Then add yourself to the audio group (adduser username audio) and logout and back in, or use sg command. If you use ISA PnP and 2.2.x, ask me about "isapnp sound". If you don't know what driver to use, use "lspci -v" and "pnpdump". Install a mixer (e.g. aumix) and make sure the volume is not set to zero in software. If you have no modules, ask me about "idepci". |
| 17:03.25 | doub | raf256: i don't know about jfs or reiser, xfs which i use, doesn't detect file corruption. and if apt or dpkg critical files are corrupt, you're out of luck |
| 17:03.36 | valdyn | raf256: _no_ data is safe on crashes (particularily power outages ), unless you have nonstandard hardware |
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| 17:03.54 | raf256 | valdyn: it seems I realy must order some UPC |
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| 17:04.13 | pepsi__ | is there any way I can find out the "name" of my /dev/hdb device? when I say name I refer to the string printed for the device at boot. |
| 17:04.14 | doub | raf256: and backup critical data |
| 17:04.19 | protocol_ | hi guys |
| 17:04.21 | protocol_ | :) |
| 17:04.28 | valdyn | raf256: probably, using whatever filesystem cannot protect you from it anyway, no matter what. |
| 17:04.33 | protocol_ | can someone lend me a hand with somethin right quick? |
| 17:04.48 | runedude | I think my sound is setup correctly |
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| 17:04.58 | doub | !tell protocol_ about ask |
| 17:05.20 | protocol_ | I'm trying to get identd workin with xchat. Started the service and nothing... |
| 17:05.44 | protocol_ | my question is: how do I get it to work properly? |
| 17:06.15 | dondelelcaro | streuner: you were just under the paste limit. If you had hit one more line, you would (well, should, anyway) have been removed. |
| 17:06.57 | streuner | dondelelcaro: so debhelper works? |
| 17:07.16 | protocol_ | anyone? |
| 17:07.46 | EdibleText | bueller? |
| 17:07.57 | Ronin | protocol_: bit off topic for #debian but have you set the firewall up for the correct port? |
| 17:08.03 | dondelelcaro | streuner: yes... that flood attack yesterday was distributed enough for it not to get triggered |
| 17:08.10 | protocol_ | Ronin, not runnin a fw :P |
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| 17:08.25 | dondelelcaro | streuner: FE, about an hour before your 3 line paste, it kicked slyboots |
| 17:08.46 | streuner | dondelelcaro: that why iam wondered about |
| 17:08.48 | dondelelcaro | (and 3 hours before that, amorphix) |
| 17:08.49 | Ronin | protocol_: you positive? cause that little box you got from your isp may also be acting as one |
| 17:09.11 | protocol_ | Ronin, crap...forgot I have a linksys router... |
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| 17:09.53 | i3dmaster | anyone knows how to configure the mozilla/firefox UI font? |
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| 17:10.21 | valdyn | i3dmaster: it uses gtk2, so change your gtk2 font |
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| 17:10.49 | Zet | wow! big channel |
| 17:10.52 | valdyn | i3dmaster: via your gnome settings, via your kde settings ( which can adjust gtk2 settings ), or via gtk-theme-switch |
| 17:10.55 | i3dmaster | valdyn: you mean the /etc/gtk-2.0/gtkrc file? |
| 17:11.02 | xst | When I open an xterm the "jump-one-word-forward/backward" hotkeys (CTRL-left/right) just outputs ";5D" and ";5C". How do I enable them? (It works in gnome-terminal) |
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| 17:11.23 | i3dmaster | valdyn: not using kde, not gnome, I am using fluxbox |
| 17:11.38 | valdyn | i3dmaster: apt-get install gtk-theme-switch |
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| 17:12.01 | i3dmaster | valdyn: tried that, not very helpful |
| 17:12.11 | valdyn | i3dmaster: why not? |
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| 17:12.34 | valdyn | i3dmaster: it contains 2 tools, one for gtk1 and one for gtk2 |
| 17:12.37 | i3dmaster | valdyn: I don't want to change any theme, just the font face and size |
| 17:12.37 | stranger | hi |
| 17:12.56 | valdyn | i3dmaster: so do that |
| 17:13.08 | jeanmi_ | xst escape-f (forward one word) escape b (backward one word) ctrl-a beginning of the line crtl-e end of the line ctrl-k kills everything on the right of the cursor |
| 17:13.30 | valdyn | i3dmaster: gtk-theme-switch2 can change your font ( just select whatever theme you already have ) |
| 17:13.30 | stranger | how to see if a specific port is open, and if it is not.. how to open it.. (sarge testing) |
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| 17:14.09 | Quag7 | I was under the impression that for mozille based browsers you had to go into the chrome section, and there's a configuration file in there. |
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| 17:14.16 | Quag7 | It has been a long time though. |
| 17:14.29 | valdyn | stranger: a port is open when a service is running behind it |
| 17:14.54 | valdyn | stranger: ( or are you referring to your firewall ) |
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| 17:15.24 | xst | jeanmi_: The escape trick works. Cool. The ctrl-k/e worked before also. But how can I either change ther terminal type to a terminal that understands the ";5D" sequence or change this sequence to the escape-sequences you send? |
| 17:15.28 | aardvark | i spot a little spambot. |
| 17:15.43 | aardvark | wait. i spot 2. |
| 17:15.46 | Quag7 | ~/.mozilla/default/2s32nqyx.slt/chrome/ <- Look in here to mess around with the application fonts for mozilla. Not sure if and where Firefox is set. |
| 17:15.47 | apt | Quag7: that's too long |
| 17:15.48 | i3dmaster | valdyn: I got it. I have to click that little button on the right side... |
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| 17:15.56 | i3dmaster | valdyn: thanks man! |
| 17:15.58 | Quag7 | too long? |
| 17:15.59 | valdyn | i3dmaster: yea |
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| 17:16.35 | valdyn | Quag7: that still works afaik, but firefox default theme does take gnomes font |
| 17:16.40 | Quag7 | Oh |
| 17:16.40 | Quag7 | OK |
| 17:16.45 | Quag7 | That's a nice change, then. |
| 17:17.08 | Debian|Pwns | hmm i cant connect to my box with putty or VNC .. can anyone help ?¿ .. its just saying connection refused :| |
| 17:17.15 | stranger | valdyn, I am refering to firewall |
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| 17:17.26 | valdyn | stranger: which firewall |
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| 17:18.17 | mango | Debian|Pwns: do u have 'sshd' running on ur box? |
| 17:18.32 | stranger | valdyn, I don't know, I am using serge testing with 2.6.8-2 kernel |
| 17:18.32 | mikeX | tst |
| 17:18.35 | dondelelcaro | !ur |
| 17:18.36 | dpkg | Ur is the ancient Sumerian city that dominated Mesopotamia from 6000 BC to 600 BC. If you mean "you are" or "your", just say so. Also swedish for clock, and a swedish word meaning "from within". a german prefix for refering to something very old |
| 17:18.42 | valdyn | stranger: sarge has no default firewall |
| 17:18.47 | Debian|Pwns | erm i am not sure |
| 17:18.54 | Debian|Pwns | i thaught it started by itself ?¿ on boot |
| 17:18.55 | bykte | i got this error when doing a apt-get upgrade.. |
| 17:18.55 | bykte | Errors were encountered while processing: |
| 17:18.55 | bykte | <PROTECTED> |
| 17:18.56 | bykte | E: Sub-process /usr/bin/dpkg returned an error code (1) |
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| 17:19.01 | bykte | is it harmful? |
| 17:19.02 | dondelelcaro | bykte: please do not paste here. |
| 17:19.04 | procrastinator | I just tried to compile kernel 2.6.11.7 following this guide: http://www.falkotimme.com/howtos/debian_kernel2.6_compile/index.php |
| 17:19.11 | dondelelcaro | bykte: you're going to need to paste the actual error using the paster bot. |
| 17:19.12 | valdyn | stranger: a default sarge install has nothing firewalled |
| 17:19.18 | dondelelcaro | !tell bykte -about paster |
| 17:19.20 | procrastinator | That's for woody, and i'm using sarge |
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| 17:19.36 | paster | "#debian" at 202.156.2.130 pasted "error" (3 lines) at http://channels.debian.net/paste/42 |
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| 17:19.45 | Debian|Pwns | Oh right |
| 17:19.46 | mango | Debian|Pwns: ps aux|grep sshd |
| 17:19.51 | bykte | yeah there pasted |
| 17:19.55 | procrastinator | Everything seemed to work fine, until first boot |
| 17:20.02 | Debian|Pwns | what permissions should i have set for /etc/ssh/ssh_host_rsa_key ?¿ |
| 17:20.16 | neemz | I need to setup an email server that allows virtual users and virtual domains |
| 17:20.17 | dondelelcaro | bykte: that's not the real error. Paste the entire output of the apt-get upgrade; (or whatever) run |
| 17:20.24 | neemz | I really don't know where to start though |
| 17:20.29 | neemz | i'd prefer not to use mysql |
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| 17:21.07 | dondelelcaro | neemz: most mailservers can deal with virtual users and virtual domains. However, you usually end up needing some sort of database to track them |
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| 17:21.16 | bykte | dondelelcaro |
| 17:21.18 | bykte | that's the only error |
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| 17:21.21 | mango | Debian|Pwns: that depends...how are you planning to authenticate a client that wants to connect to your box |
| 17:21.33 | valdyn | Debian|Pwns: 600 |
| 17:21.35 | dondelelcaro | bykte: no, it's not. Use the paster bot to paste the entire output from the run. |
| 17:21.36 | asg | Debian|Pwns: 600 root/roo |
| 17:21.39 | asg | t |
| 17:21.42 | paster | "#debian" at 202.156.2.130 pasted "error" (12 lines) at http://channels.debian.net/paste/43 |
| 17:21.54 | bykte | oh the entire run paste is fine.. |
| 17:21.57 | bykte | no errors msg |
| 17:22.05 | bykte | i was watching it the whole time, only this came up |
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| 17:22.16 | dondelelcaro | bykte: run the command again, and paste the entire run. |
| 17:22.31 | citral | ewwww dist-upgrade in sarge wants to install gstreamer extra |
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| 17:22.46 | bykte | ok apt-get upgrade > save works too right? |
| 17:22.59 | dondelelcaro | bykte: generally |
| 17:23.02 | bykte | ok |
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| 17:23.39 | valdyn | bykte: "apt-get upgrade 2>&1 | tee logfile" would make sense |
| 17:23.47 | Debian|Pwns | sorted thanks asg, mango |
| 17:24.02 | bykte | ok |
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| 17:24.07 | procrastinator | Does anyone have a good HOWTO for compiling 2.6 in sarge? |
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| 17:24.31 | ludi | I'm still not able to ssh into my linux box from any other computer |
| 17:24.37 | streuner | procrastinator: why do you think you need an custom kernel? |
| 17:24.40 | Debian|Pwns | is sshd running ludi ?¿ |
| 17:24.41 | dondelelcaro | procrastinator: get the kernel source, and follow /msg dpgk kp mantra |
| 17:24.58 | valdyn | procrastinator: its called "NOTTO", iows, dont compile a kernel, unless theres a good reason |
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| 17:25.08 | paster | "#debian" at 202.156.2.130 pasted "error" (17 lines) at http://channels.debian.net/paste/44 |
| 17:25.12 | bykte | there u go dondelelcaro |
| 17:25.14 | ludi | Debian|Pwns: tcp 0 0 *:ssh *:* LISTEN |
| 17:25.19 | bykte | the entire run when i run the upgrade again |
| 17:25.38 | ludi | Debian|Pwns: I can ssh into myself just fine. Just not from any other box |
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| 17:25.50 | Debian|Pwns | hmm |
| 17:26.01 | dondelelcaro | bykte: apt-get --reinstall install apache; then try your upgrade run again. |
| 17:26.07 | Debian|Pwns | have you got the correct ports(s) forwarded on your router if you have one |
| 17:26.08 | procrastinator | streuner and valdyn: Can i get 2.6.11 in any other ways? |
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| 17:26.20 | bykte | ok |
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| 17:26.26 | _brasil | i´m searching for ppc r5 to download. anyone have the mirror ? plz! |
| 17:26.28 | streuner | procrastinator: just follow the advice of dondelelcaro |
| 17:26.30 | valdyn | ludi: "others" is not particularily helpful, we could use more info about your network |
| 17:26.49 | procrastinator | streuner: Ookay then... |
| 17:26.52 | shining | how does encoding work on html page ? when I browse the default apache2 page with firefox, firefox goes in utf8 mode but it doesnt display correctly. If I put firefox manually in iso, it works fine |
| 17:27.12 | Debian|Pwns | damnit .. how can i check which process is using port 8000 ?¿ please |
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| 17:27.18 | streuner | procrastinator: but tell us why do you think you need 2.6.11? |
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| 17:27.35 | bykte | dondelelcaro, strange why did the upgrade reduce my apache 1.3.33 to 1.3.26? |
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| 17:28.18 | procrastinator | streuner: Why not? |
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| 17:28.55 | streuner | procrastinator: well, if you haven't any reason and want more work and headaches go on ;-) |
| 17:29.00 | ludi | valdyn: okay. this is a local area network. there are about 5 windows XP boxes and 1 linux box. using the 192.168.1.0 network. all are configured via dhcp from the router. |
| 17:29.13 | mango | Debian|Pwns: google :) |
| 17:29.21 | buhb0 | how can i see what the ip addresses are of the computers on my local network? |
| 17:29.23 | ludi | valdyn: so whenever I try to use putty to login via ssh to my linux box, it says "access denied" |
| 17:29.24 | onre | shining, web pages are supposed to inform browser of their charset if it differs from whatever is the w3c 'standard charset', used to be iso-8859-1 in '99 :P |
| 17:29.31 | Debian|Pwns | lol mango i have tried that :p i aint that much of a fuckwit |
| 17:29.31 | asg | Debian|Pwns: fuser -v 8000/tcp (as root) |
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| 17:29.40 | valdyn | ludi: are you trying to log in as root? |
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| 17:29.54 | asg | Debian|Pwns: if that doesn't work, apt-get install lsof ; lsof | grep 8000 |
| 17:30.02 | Debian|Pwns | icecast :O .. the bastard ... i removed that a long time ago |
| 17:30.07 | onre | valdyn hi, thanks for the grub fake geometry tip, machine boots perfectly now :) |
| 17:30.17 | asg | Debian|Pwns: apparently not |
| 17:30.22 | Debian|Pwns | :O |
| 17:30.37 | procrastinator | streuner: That mantra is for compiling a kernel when you are in /usr/src/linux*, or? |
| 17:30.41 | dondelelcaro | bykte: pretty hard to answer that question without knowing exactly what you're doing. |
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| 17:30.59 | shining | onre, ha ok. so apache2 default page specify utf8 charset while its written in iso ? |
| 17:30.59 | valdyn | onre: oh nice |
| 17:31.20 | onre | shining umm. maybe i re-read what you just said :) |
| 17:31.24 | streuner | procrastinator: /msg dpkg kp |
| 17:31.35 | bunnies | is anyone getting spammed by DroP/EminEm yet? |
| 17:31.39 | buhb0 | ok i have a windows and a linux box on a network. how can i get the ip for the linux box ? |
| 17:31.39 | ludi | valdyn: no. not as root. just a regular user. |
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| 17:31.44 | streuner | procrastinator: and read KERNEL-HOWTO section at newbiedoc.sf.net |
| 17:31.51 | shining | onre, http://shining.homelinux.org/apache2-default/ |
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| 17:31.54 | bunnies | dondelelcaro: it's a time-delay random spambot. |
| 17:31.58 | asg | buhb0: ping -b xxx.xxx.xxx.255 |
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| 17:32.06 | dondelelcaro | bunnies: hrm... what did it spam you with? |
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| 17:32.17 | dondelelcaro | bunnies: (you can /msg me it) |
| 17:32.25 | mango | ludi: i am assuming that user is set up locally on the linux box right? |
| 17:32.27 | shining | onre, how does it display? and is your browser in utf8 ? |
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| 17:32.37 | bunnies | dondelelcaro: not yet, but they're from ttnet.net.tr, using known spambot names and they're in here and #redhat. |
| 17:32.43 | ludi | mango: yes. I'm logged on as that user at the moment. |
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| 17:32.46 | onre | shining, the page itself doesn't seem to provide a charset... iso-8859-1 is what my browser displays and it's set as default to iso-8859-15 |
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| 17:33.00 | abrotman | bunnies: i haven't gotten anything |
| 17:33.00 | hellz | hi, i installed syslog-ng and then i removed it , but now syslog is not working |
| 17:33.00 | onre | oh, not... just a second |
| 17:33.06 | hellz | how do i correct that |
| 17:33.18 | shining | onre, well it should be iso-8859-15 for displaying it correctly |
| 17:33.18 | asg | hellz: in what way is it not working? |
| 17:33.38 | bunnies | abrotman: maybe it's only spamming people who's nicks start with another letter of the alphabet now. |
| 17:33.53 | mango | ludi: what windows clien are you using? putty? |
| 17:34.01 | onre | shining yup... well, the page doesn't specify its own encoding so its some sort of autodetection failing, maybe? i'll try with that one |
| 17:34.01 | abrotman | bunnies: yay |
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| 17:34.07 | onre | s/one$/on/ |
| 17:34.15 | valdyn | ludi: run sshd in a shell, like sshd -d -p 30, then let putty connect to that port and look in your shell why you are not let in |
| 17:34.20 | ludi | mango: yes, putty. |
| 17:34.32 | shining | onre, ha yes maybe |
| 17:34.40 | xpato | what ares the "minor numbers"? |
| 17:34.43 | xpato | of devices? |
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| 17:34.50 | hellz | asg:i mean ./sysklogd restart has not output |
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| 17:34.58 | onre | shining, weird. i have firefox and even with autodetect set to 'universal' it still gives it as iso-8859-1 |
| 17:34.59 | dondelelcaro | DroP, EminEm: You are going to be pre-emptively banned shortly unless you respond. If the banning is in error, feel free to /msg me. |
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| 17:35.18 | onre | shining, the page or the server don't seem to specify the charset at all according to tcpdump |
| 17:35.34 | raf256 | is there something like untouch? |
| 17:35.35 | shining | onre, ok thanks |
| 17:35.41 | shining | onre, its just firefox fault then |
| 17:35.57 | asg | hellz: does /sbin/syslogd exist? |
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| 17:36.01 | raf256 | it will compare file foo.bar with .foo.bar.untouched, if they are identical it will restore to foo.bar the previous timestamp |
| 17:36.01 | hellz | yes |
| 17:36.02 | alexscott | ++ |
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| 17:36.29 | bunnies | dondelelcaro: oh, and they were both the same IP. they come in pairs. |
| 17:36.29 | shining | onre, you specify the charset in the html code? |
| 17:36.31 | ludi | valdyn: why port 30? |
| 17:36.32 | hellz | asg: sorry it doesn't |
| 17:36.33 | FieldySnuts | @lart proxyscan.freenode.net for being a big agressive |
| 17:36.38 | FieldySnuts | s/big/bit/ |
| 17:36.38 | asg | hellz: apt-get install sysklogd |
| 17:36.39 | raf256 | there is something like that or not? it might be usefull adiition to ccache thingies |
| 17:36.51 | onre | shining yup. there's a HTML tag to specify certain charset, iirc... or not a tag. more like a 'parameter' to <head> or something. check out w3c.org |
| 17:36.53 | hellz | asg: let me try |
| 17:36.54 | valdyn | ludi: my dice rolled 30 ( chose whatever you want ) |
| 17:37.07 | buhb0 | anyone have an idea about why i can access my linux box on my network from my windows, but linux cannot ping window box's ip ? |
| 17:37.10 | ludi | valdyn: okay I have the debug output |
| 17:37.36 | hellz | asg: it's installing, thanks |
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| 17:37.51 | asg | hellz: since sysklogd and syslog-ng provide syslogd and you removed the latter, the original wouldn't have been reinstalled (like what would have appened if you'd just done apt-get install sysklogd) |
| 17:37.52 | onre | shining, http://www.w3.org/TR/html4/charset.html#h-5.1 |
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| 17:38.08 | ludi | valdyn: Failed password for user1 from 192.168.1.182 port 1160 ssh2 |
| 17:38.24 | shining | onre, thanks |
| 17:38.37 | onre | so it was actually <meta> and the information is provided by the server :) |
| 17:38.42 | ludi | valdyn: I typed my password correctly I am 100% sure |
| 17:38.49 | Debian|Pwns | username ?¿ |
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| 17:38.59 | valdyn | ludi: your user is called user1 ? |
| 17:39.10 | hellz | asg: yes thanks |
| 17:39.16 | asg | hellz: you're welcome |
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| 17:39.26 | ludi | valdyn: no my user is not called user1 (I changed it after pasting in xirc here) |
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| 17:39.51 | lordares | hm |
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| 17:40.06 | lordares | any word on a gcc-4.0 package? I'm seeing it mentioned on some lists in google, can't find a tree with it though |
| 17:40.09 | reload_this | hello people |
| 17:40.26 | asg | lordares: I wouldn't expect one very soon |
| 17:40.45 | reload_this | anyone worked with debian on a 220r |
| 17:40.47 | shining | onre, I've a lot of stuff to learn. one funny thing too is that galeon displays the english page while firefox displays the french one |
| 17:40.49 | reload_this | sun server |
| 17:41.02 | Debian|Pwns | erm can anyone point me out on a mail server ?¿ ... i tried apt-cache search ... but i just cant find nothin :| |
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| 17:41.13 | asg | Debian|Pwns: exim (exim4 on sarge) |
| 17:41.19 | asg | Debian|Pwns: and it should already be installed. |
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| 17:41.28 | onre | shining it's the language preference. default index.html is english and if galeon isn't specifically configured to ask for french pages, it gets the default - english. |
| 17:41.30 | lordares | k |
| 17:41.32 | asg | Debian|Pwns: another option is postfix, which some people seem to like |
| 17:41.33 | lordares | thanks |
| 17:41.35 | valdyn | ludi: maybe your windows keymap is not the same as your linux keymap ( relevant if you use certain special characters ) |
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| 17:41.48 | Debian|Pwns | which do you like most. personally |
| 17:41.49 | onre | shining that's usually settable from browser preferences, some browsers seem to sniff an approximate value based on your locale settings |
| 17:41.50 | valdyn | ludi: id try a different user if you cannot fix this p/w |
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| 17:42.09 | asg | Debian|Pwns: I prefer exim since I have to do dubious rewriting foo and postfix is incapable |
| 17:42.21 | asg | Debian|Pwns: otherwise, I'd use postfix since I like the architecture. |
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| 17:42.35 | Debian|Pwns | ok |
| 17:42.40 | Debian|Pwns | i shall get postfix |
| 17:42.40 | onre | dubious rewriting foo sounds bad |
| 17:43.00 | reload_this | spam? o_O |
| 17:43.02 | procrastinator | Okay, what is the absolutely easiest way to install a 2.6-kernel on sarge? |
| 17:43.19 | reload_this | procrastinator: should have an option at install time |
| 17:43.23 | asg | onre: we attempt to rewrite all external inbound addresses to appear to come from our students internal addresses so our faculty doesn't get embarrased by people with 'myfuckingasslick@hotmail.com' addresses. |
| 17:43.26 | reload_this | linux26 I believe |
| 17:43.28 | onre | is sarge same as testing? apt-get install kernel-image-2.6 worked for me |
| 17:43.31 | MDC | Debian|Pwns; I recommend you to check out Exim + Courier |
| 17:43.32 | ludi | valdyn: not a keymap issue. |
| 17:43.39 | shining | onre, thanks a lot, specifying the character encoding worked just fine :) |
| 17:43.40 | ludi | valdyn: other user fails also |
| 17:43.50 | procrastinator | reload_this: I'm not going to reinstall my system -_- |
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| 17:44.29 | reload_this | procrastinator: you sais easiest :) |
| 17:44.32 | onre | asg, oh, i see. could be somehow done with postfix but this case sounds like being one of the "it works, don't touch it" type |
| 17:44.38 | reload_this | s/sais/said/ |
| 17:44.53 | asg | onre: well, postfix will not rewrite a full rfc2822 + phrase, only the address. |
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| 17:45.04 | procrastinator | reload_this: Ok, fastest then :) |
| 17:45.06 | onre | i see |
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| 17:45.11 | asg | onre: it is imperative that the student's name also appear in the phrase since our faculty are stupid |
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| 17:45.31 | Trev_ | Is thier an available linux solution to Microsoft Live Meeting ? one that would allow me to setup debian server/workstation and connect with Live Meeting ? |
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| 17:45.37 | mwelsh | has anyone here tried to install a national instruments data acquisition board on a debian system? |
| 17:45.42 | onre | asg yup, sounds quite stupid :) but if they want it and you're the admin, what can you do :> |
| 17:45.46 | asg | Trev_: gnomemeeting maybe |
| 17:46.04 | Trev_ | asg I saw that in the apt packages.. I'll check documentation thanks.. |
| 17:46.06 | asg | onre: exactly. exim has a lot of nice features and is easier than Sendmail to work with. |
| 17:46.18 | onre | asg yup. sendmail should have died in 1990 or so. |
| 17:46.31 | onre | imo. |
| 17:46.32 | asg | onre: it still has its adherents |
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| 17:47.14 | onre | asg yup. mostly people who have learned it and refuse to accept that it's obsolete and insecure because of huge amount of badly-managed code. not really a matter of preference imo |
| 17:47.23 | onre | (i know sendmail well) |
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| 17:47.42 | asg | onre: true, I was under the impression that recent versions had cleaned up the code somewhat. |
| 17:47.43 | reload_this | procrastinator: http://www.debianplanet.org/node.php?id=335&cid=2694 debian planet should have this article updated |
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| 17:48.22 | reload_this | anyone knows how to connect to a 220R with no video card? |
| 17:48.29 | asg | reload_this: serial console |
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| 17:48.45 | onre | asg yes, they've done that but i really don't think it's worth it to try patch the dinosaur. easier to patch postfix to accept sendmail configs :D |
| 17:48.45 | asg | reload_this: one of the redeeming features of sun hardware |
| 17:48.53 | asg | onre: heh, true. |
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| 17:49.22 | reload_this | asg: I managed to install woody but the video card got bent... |
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| 17:49.41 | shining | is it worth setting up a dhcp server if my router already provides one ? could it be any better? |
| 17:49.52 | bykte | why invent the wheel when it's already invented? |
| 17:49.54 | dondelelcaro | shining: for a small network, there's really little point |
| 17:50.01 | asg | reload_this: then you'll have to use a serial cable (unless it boots and has sshd running.) |
| 17:50.04 | valdyn | shining: whats wrong with your routers dhcp server? |
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| 17:50.14 | dondelelcaro | shining: if you're planning on doing netbooting or anything more complicated, it may be useful though |
| 17:50.21 | onre | usually: "if it works, don't fix it" :) |
| 17:50.24 | shining | dondelelcaro, ok |
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| 17:50.31 | reload_this | asg: cannot get to it for some reason, I am thinking I need to fsck |
| 17:50.37 | shining | valdyn, nothing, I'm just searching what my server could do :) |
| 17:50.45 | reload_this | asg: I did turn on sshd(2) |
| 17:50.56 | onre | shining, setup a caching dns server on your machine |
| 17:51.05 | bykte | what's the latest stable version of openssl on woody? |
| 17:51.07 | reload_this | asg: ext3 needs fscking like ext2? |
| 17:51.08 | onre | shining, especially if you're on a slow link, it rocks |
| 17:51.25 | asg | shining: it's entirely plausible to set one up for educational purposes, esp. if you might find yourself being a sysadmin in the future. |
| 17:51.27 | shining | onre, hmm ok thanks, I'll check that :) |
| 17:51.42 | asg | reload_this: yes, though it usually does a better and quicker job of recovery. |
| 17:51.49 | asg | reload_this: unless something got really frobbed. |
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| 17:51.58 | shining | asg, that's right |
| 17:52.20 | onre | shining, you could setup it even so that it also provides name services for your own network. that rocks, esp. when combined with a dhcp server. installing new machine is a breeze after taht |
| 17:52.24 | onre | that |
| 17:52.37 | reload_this | asg: I'm going to upgrade to sarge anyways, as long as I can get to the console |
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| 17:52.54 | asg | reload_this: well, serial console is the way to go. |
| 17:53.04 | shining | onre, yep this would be very nice :) |
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| 17:53.34 | reload_this | asg: okay, thanx |
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| 17:55.07 | bolimbiii | anybody know if linux support for ibm thinkpad x-series laptops are good or not? |
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| 17:55.20 | emullen | back |
| 17:55.23 | oobe | probably |
| 17:55.28 | RichiH | bolimbiii: linuxlaptop.org |
| 17:55.28 | onre | depends on model, i've understood it's generally good |
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| 17:56.04 | emullen | i got linux on my laptop also :) |
| 17:56.16 | terra1 | wow and... |
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| 17:56.27 | neemz | I can't apt-get anymore |
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| 17:56.31 | valdyn | bolimbiii: pretty good for thinkpads generally, though some feature are not in mainline kernels, and tv-out may be tricky to impossible to get working |
| 17:56.33 | emullen | :S |
| 17:56.33 | neemz | it complains about dependencies |
| 17:56.43 | neemz | and says I should do -f install |
| 17:56.45 | terra1 | neemz, apt-get -f install |
| 17:56.46 | neemz | but that wont work eitehr |
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| 17:57.17 | neemz | dpkg: error processing /var/cache/apt/archives/exim_3.35-1woody4_i386.deb (--unpack): |
| 17:57.17 | neemz | <PROTECTED> |
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| 17:58.32 | bolimbiii | RichiH, uhhhh, that site is just an add for a hosting service |
| 17:58.53 | valdyn | !laptops |
| 17:58.53 | dpkg | All there is worth knowing about linux and laptops can be found at http://www.linux-laptop.net/ and http://tuxmobil.org or also ask me about 'acpi' and 'suspend', or see the debian-laptop mailing list at http://lists.debian.org/ |
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| 17:59.38 | Slidey | has anyone got a working debian sid postfix 2.2 install with smtp-auth ? |
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| 18:00.06 | Slidey | it seems as though postfix-tls has been removed from sid between postfix 2.1.5 and 2.2.2 |
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| 18:00.20 | sinner | if i've deleted an init script for a package after removing it how come it doesnt reinstall when i re- apt-get install the package? |
| 18:00.29 | greycat | !confmiss |
| 18:00.29 | dpkg | the reason you have to use dpkg --force-confmiss is because whenever your config files are gone, dpkg assumes you deleted them on purpose, and that you want them to stay deleted. You can also reinstall them using the following apt-get line: apt-get -o DPkg::Options="--force-confmiss" --reinstall install <packagename> |
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| 18:05.26 | sinner | still no init.d script |
| 18:05.40 | valdyn | sinner: which package is it? |
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| 18:05.43 | Slidey | anyone got a working install of postfix with sid ? |
| 18:05.46 | Slidey | using postfix 2.2 |
| 18:05.47 | sinner | solid-pop3d |
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| 18:06.20 | valdyn | sinner: and hows the init script named? |
| 18:06.47 | buhb0 | when you install debian sarge and choose "web server" as the installation |
| 18:06.48 | sinner | i believe it was spop3d |
| 18:06.59 | buhb0 | does it come with an ftp server already running? |
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| 18:07.05 | valdyn | !find etc/init.d/spop3d |
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| 18:07.14 | dpkg | Debian Package/File/Desc Search of 'etc/init.d/spop3d' returned no results. |
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| 18:07.20 | slut69 | hey, when your using an old ex2 file syustem, and it starts up and says enter root password to maintenance. how do you fix it???? |
| 18:07.22 | krad | hey, how to clear the dns cache |
| 18:07.25 | valdyn | !find etc/init.d/*pop3d |
| 18:07.25 | sinner | i could be wrong though... |
| 18:07.31 | asg | krad: it depends on the dns server |
| 18:07.32 | dpkg | Debian Search of 'etc/init.d/*pop3d' (1): (/etc/init.d/solid-pop3d) in mail/solid-pop3d. |
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| 18:08.26 | bytewalkre | guys i just installed woody upgraded everything except ext2 to ext3 but now it says enter root passwd for maintenance? now what? |
| 18:08.58 | valdyn | sinner: "dpkg --purge --force-depends solid-pop3d && apt-get install solid-pop3d" ( backup your configuration changes first.. ) |
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| 18:09.18 | emullen | why dont you use telnet :D |
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| 18:09.45 | bytewalkre | !dpkg ext2 |
| 18:09.45 | dpkg | i heard ext2 is the standard Linux filesystem, see also resize2fs, or a 2GB filesize For larger files you need a 2.4.x kernel, *and* a glibc which has been compiled against 2.4.x kernel headers. |
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| 18:09.58 | asg | bytewalkre: you enter root's password and follow the prompts |
| 18:10.07 | buhb0 | whats a good ftp server to use |
| 18:10.16 | asg | buhb0: there isn't one, ftp blows |
| 18:10.33 | buhb0 | well what would you recommend i use to upload webpages to my server |
| 18:10.40 | asg | buhb0: scp |
| 18:10.42 | greycat | scp, sftp |
| 18:10.46 | greycat | webDAV |
| 18:10.47 | bytewalkre | asg: it just goes to a bash prompt |
| 18:11.12 | asg | bytewalkre: then fsck the partition that was indicated in the error before it went to single user mode |
| 18:11.28 | arca | vsftp |
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| 18:12.03 | bytewalkre | ok i hopes this works lol |
| 18:12.04 | buhb0 | hats scp |
| 18:12.06 | buhb0 | *whats |
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| 18:12.12 | onre | ftp is one of those things no one should be using in 21st century. pop3 is another |
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| 18:12.33 | asg | buhb0: secure copy 'replacement for another equally boneheaded technology' |
| 18:12.35 | arca | onre, why ? |
| 18:12.36 | furrywolf | onre: I use pop3. something wrong with it I don't know about? :P |
| 18:12.48 | furrywolf | (note that my mail server only accepts pop3-over-ssl) |
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| 18:13.26 | onre | furrywolf, the protocol is way obsolete and the inflexible inbox-only client-side-filtering-and-sorting way most people use mail is all caused by pop3. |
| 18:13.34 | bytewalkre | lol i rebooted and it says /dev/hda2 has gone 49710 days without being checked, check forced. |
| 18:14.02 | asg | onre: it is useful if you don't want to be in the mail storage business, but that's about it. |
| 18:14.03 | bytewalkre | whats the alternative |
| 18:14.14 | asg | bytewalkre: check it ; man fsck |
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| 18:14.25 | furrywolf | I hate mail stored on the server. if I were to set up something else, I would not let the server store my mail past when I download it. nor do I expect the server to filter my mail for me. |
| 18:14.32 | bytewalkre | i did and rebooted, im just hoping it'll check it with no errors this time:) |
| 18:14.40 | bytewalkre | yay!!! |
| 18:14.41 | bytewalkre | thanx |
| 18:14.42 | onre | asg yup, but even then it can't do multiple folders if you want to sort mail into separate folders at server end and actually decide which folder you want to read |
| 18:15.14 | onre | furrywolf, thereby i conclude that your server sucks. :) |
| 18:15.22 | asg | onre: true, though that's why procmail was invented. Anyone that can't do their own mail sorting should just have a single INBOX anyway ;) |
| 18:15.34 | furrywolf | onre: why would I want my email left on a server somewhere? |
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| 18:16.19 | onre | furrywolf, to be able to read it from your personal computer and a web-mail client, using the exact same folder structure, for example? a nice feature when you receive work-related email all the time and travel. |
| 18:16.31 | furrywolf | gah! webmail BAD! hate webmail! |
| 18:16.43 | bykte | BAD BAD! |
| 18:16.50 | asg | furrywolf: webmail is better than no mail in a pinch. |
| 18:16.51 | greycat | !magic hate ball |
| 18:16.54 | onre | and exactly why? imp over ssl is good. |
| 18:17.07 | onre | combined to procmail running on server doing all the sorting. |
| 18:17.18 | caphuso | onre: because mutt over ssh is better |
| 18:17.22 | buhb0 | is there a webDAV server for debian? |
| 18:17.39 | asg | buhb0: apache2 has a webdav module, and zope supports webdav |
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| 18:18.02 | onre | caphuso, personally i think mutt UI is from the deepest pits of hell, but anyway, there are times (i.e. at a customer) when you just can't install a ssh client but you need some bit of information from an email. |
| 18:18.11 | asg | buhb0: are you going to be uploading you webpages from a linux box or from a windows box? |
| 18:18.33 | caphuso | onre: putty is easy enough to get running |
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| 18:18.52 | buhb0 | i am uploading pages from windows to linux |
| 18:18.54 | caphuso | hell, you can tell IE to simply execute it... |
| 18:19.03 | onre | caphuso, i know. but there are sites which don't simply allow running anything but a browser plus a database app. i've seen many such customers. |
| 18:19.07 | asg | buhb0: you could use a gui sftp client on windows |
| 18:19.17 | ludi | how do I install a single package from SID, if I want all my other packages to remain under Sarge? |
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| 18:19.22 | asg | buhb0: ssh.com has a nice free as in beer explorer sftp client |
| 18:19.23 | onre | caphuso, many of those customers have disabled running _anything_ not approved by windows sysadmins. |
| 18:19.23 | bolimbiii | dpkg, hahaha |
| 18:19.24 | dpkg | hahaha is probably http://www.shugashack.com/screens.x/iotd//5/thumbs/bsodirony.jpg |
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| 18:19.36 | buhb0 | i wanted to use webdav because dream weaver supports it |
| 18:19.42 | onre | it all depends on what you need though |
| 18:19.46 | asg | buhb0: okay |
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| 18:20.00 | onre | as a teenager i was more than happy with a microvax with 5MB of memory and antique bsd :P |
| 18:20.00 | caphuso | onre: so they prefer you to click through a few hundred messages until you accidentally find the one you were looking for? |
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| 18:20.13 | onre | caphuso, you've never used imp? |
| 18:20.20 | onre | caphuso, you can even use regexps when searching. |
| 18:20.30 | onre | caphuso, and everything is neatly put into folders by procmail. |
| 18:20.43 | onre | imp != hotmail |
| 18:20.53 | abrotman | imp isn't bad |
| 18:20.57 | arca | anyone know what the address ip of the loopback in ipv6 ??? |
| 18:21.01 | abrotman | the newer version is a bit busy .. |
| 18:21.01 | sinner | ty valdyn |
| 18:21.04 | asg | arca: ::1 |
| 18:21.29 | buhb0 | ok im going to be useing sftp |
| 18:21.44 | arca | thx |
| 18:21.49 | buhb0 | whats a good sftp server for deb? |
| 18:21.56 | bykte | sftp |
| 18:21.57 | greycat | ssh |
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| 18:22.08 | arca | vsftp |
| 18:22.09 | greycat | the sftp *server* is part of openssh |
| 18:22.11 | asg | buhb0: apt-get install ssh |
| 18:22.19 | abrotman | vsftp is still ftp isn't it? |
| 18:22.21 | sTone_heAd | greycat, actually a subsystem of it |
| 18:22.39 | greycat | it's part of the OpenSSH software package |
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| 18:22.46 | sTone_heAd | ah sure |
| 18:22.54 | greycat | so you get it when you install 'ssh' in debian |
| 18:22.59 | buhb0 | ok well sence i already have ssh how do i get the ftp server to run |
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| 18:23.07 | greycat | SFTP IS NOT FTP!!! |
| 18:23.11 | caphuso | onre: oh, imp lets me tag arbitrary messages in mailbox and show them on one big page? |
| 18:23.11 | greycat | make up your mind! |
| 18:23.13 | Longkong | hi :) |
| 18:23.14 | asg | buhb0: it is running already. |
| 18:23.16 | sTone_heAd | heh |
| 18:23.18 | onre | caphuso, yep. |
| 18:23.21 | buhb0 | on what port/ |
| 18:23.25 | asg | buhb0: 22 |
| 18:23.31 | asg | buhb0: sftp foo |
| 18:23.35 | Longkong | Is there a filesystem wich windows and Linux can read and write (more or less fast and safe) |
| 18:23.39 | onre | caphuso, and you can even select the tagged messages against a regexp. |
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| 18:23.57 | asg | buhb0: sftp localhost (if you want to test it) |
| 18:23.57 | caphuso | onre: obviously |
| 18:24.01 | Mage_____ | Longkong: fat32 |
| 18:24.03 | caphuso | otherwise it'd be silly |
| 18:24.08 | asg | Longkong: vfat |
| 18:24.16 | onre | yup :) |
| 18:24.18 | Longkong | Mage_____: I heard the Linux support for fat32 is not good |
| 18:24.28 | jethro | fud |
| 18:24.29 | Mage_____ | you heard bad. |
| 18:24.40 | abrotman | asg: he said safe! :) |
| 18:24.41 | overnout | Longkong: its quite ok |
| 18:24.47 | grigora | does anyone know why the 2.6.8 package does not install /lib/modules/2.6.8/build? I need the /build stuff to build a wireless driver. thanks |
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| 18:24.53 | Longkong | But FAT32 does not support permissions, isnt it? |
| 18:24.53 | abrotman | Longkong: ntfs support isn't so good |
| 18:24.55 | asg | abrotman: oh, well if Windows is touching it ... |
| 18:25.03 | overnout | Longkong: yeap |
| 18:25.04 | buhb0 | so what password should i use to login to my sftp server? my user or root? |
| 18:25.04 | abrotman | Longkong: you mean ACL ? |
| 18:25.10 | Longkong | I mean chmod |
| 18:25.17 | oystein | how do i completly remove apache2 so i can start from scratch? |
| 18:25.23 | abrotman | oystein: purge |
| 18:25.25 | asg | buhb0: sftp user@localhost (use user's password just as if you were logging in) |
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| 18:25.29 | abrotman | Longkong: you mean .. like security ? |
| 18:25.30 | jethro | Longkong: you can't chmod things on fat |
| 18:25.40 | oystein | abrotman: it dosent do it |
| 18:25.46 | PReDaCoN | hi people, how can I create my own debian package? |
| 18:25.49 | Longkong | Yes thats the thing I meant ;) |
| 18:25.51 | abrotman | Longkong: i'm not sure about how permissions work .. but you can use ext2(3?) from windows |
| 18:25.54 | abrotman | oystein: oh .. it doesn't ? |
| 18:25.58 | asg | oystein: apt-get remove --purge libapr0 |
| 18:25.58 | buhb0 | thanks |
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| 18:26.16 | Longkong | abrotman: hmm, fast and safe? ;) |
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| 18:26.27 | abrotman | ext3 is fine |
| 18:26.30 | abrotman | IMO anyways |
| 18:26.33 | daffy-pkf | lo |
| 18:26.33 | Longkong | I mean I can write NTFS under Linux but its slow and I dont trust it ;) |
| 18:26.36 | oystein | abrotman: nope the old config files are still there and i dosent overwrite them |
| 18:26.36 | jethro | not on windows anyway |
| 18:26.38 | adobbie | PReDaCoN, read the new maintainers guide |
| 18:26.41 | penguin | What is the easiest way to convert file from dos to unix? |
| 18:26.44 | abrotman | oystein: purge should remove them |
| 18:26.45 | Longkong | abrotman: and how? |
| 18:26.49 | abrotman | penguin: dos2unix |
| 18:26.50 | asg | penguin: /msg dpkg dos2unix |
| 18:26.52 | onre | penguin, what sort of file? |
| 18:26.55 | abrotman | Longkong: how what? |
| 18:27.21 | Longkong | abrotman: how can I r/w ext2/3 under Windows, I dont think it supports it out of box ;) |
| 18:27.21 | overnout | penguin: sed 's/\r//g' file1 > file2 ; mv file2 file1 |
| 18:27.26 | oystein | abrotman: i do a apt-get remove --purge apache2 |
| 18:27.33 | abrotman | !explore2fs |
| 18:27.34 | dpkg | from memory, explore2fs is a win32 utility that lets you read and write(at your own risk!) ext2 file systems under win9x/nt/2000. URL: http://uranus.it.swin.edu.au/~jn/linux/ [Ask me about ext2ifs] |
| 18:27.35 | adobbie | PReDaCoN, http://www.debian.org/doc/devel-manuals#maint-guide |
| 18:27.40 | asg | oystein: the config files are not in the apache2 package |
| 18:27.48 | abrotman | oystein: yes .. wrong package |
| 18:27.49 | jethro | overnout: or sed -i file ... |
| 18:27.50 | abrotman | apache2-common |
| 18:27.58 | abrotman | oystein: dpkg -S httpd.conf |
| 18:28.06 | overnout | jethro: ;) |
| 18:28.17 | oystein | aha |
| 18:28.23 | abrotman | Longkong: that said .. i've never tried it .. and so i won't vouch for the safety of your data |
| 18:28.24 | onre | jethro thanks, didn't know sed had such a flag |
| 18:28.26 | PReDaCoN | thanks adobbie |
| 18:28.33 | overnout | jethro: i think tr can that too |
| 18:28.35 | penguin | I tried this sed 's/^M/ |
| 18:28.35 | onre | s/sed/gnu sed/ |
| 18:28.39 | jethro | onre: I think only gnu sed has it |
| 18:28.43 | jethro | :) |
| 18:28.49 | overnout | penguin: bad bad |
| 18:28.50 | Longkong | hmm, I think I will try vfat ;) |
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| 18:28.55 | jethro | of all sed I tried so far |
| 18:28.57 | penguin | It should work |
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| 18:29.00 | asg | onre: GNU has lots of interesting extras we forget about |
| 18:29.02 | Longkong | should I format my FAT32 Partition under Linux or Windows? |
| 18:29.16 | onre | asg yup. they've even managed to put flags into cat and true :D:D |
| 18:29.24 | adobbie | Longkong, do it in Windows |
| 18:29.31 | sobersabre | does anybody here speak portuguese (br) ? |
| 18:29.34 | asg | onre: other than --help and --version? |
| 18:29.37 | overnout | penguin: ^M is the terminal symbol for it |
| 18:29.40 | mwelsh | every time i run an "apt-get install something", i get errors about some packages "Preparing to replace libghc6-wash-utils-dev 0.3.10-1 (using .../libghc6-wash-utils-dev_0.3.10-1_i386.deb) ... |
| 18:29.40 | mwelsh | ghc-pkg: cannot find package Wash-Utils |
| 18:29.40 | mwelsh | dpkg: warning - old pre-removal script returned error exit status 1 |
| 18:29.40 | mwelsh | dpkg - trying script from the new package instead ... |
| 18:29.40 | mwelsh | ghc-pkg: cannot find package Wash-Utils |
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| 18:29.42 | jethro | asg: otoh, gnu gives one bad time when switching to other unix system with no gnu tools :) |
| 18:29.42 | overnout | it wont work |
| 18:29.43 | oystein | and how do i remove a install from sorce? |
| 18:29.46 | thingfish | sobersabre: #debian-br |
| 18:29.46 | penguin | sed 's/^M/ENTER/g' file should work |
| 18:29.47 | onre | asg man cat and be shocked :D |
| 18:29.49 | asg | jethro: yes |
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| 18:29.57 | asg | onre: I mean true(1) |
| 18:30.03 | sobersabre | thingfish, but will they understand english ? :) |
| 18:30.06 | thingfish | sobersabre: eles falam portugues naquele canal. |
| 18:30.09 | onre | asg nope. there's no true --maybe yet |
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| 18:30.17 | Longkong | adobbie: hmm, ok I think I need an additional program, format does not permit to format partitions with more than 32gb with fat32 |
| 18:30.20 | thingfish | sobersabre: well, that I don't know about. :) |
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| 18:30.25 | abrotman | oystein: hopefully you used stow |
| 18:30.25 | asg | onre: a trinary logic version of true |
| 18:30.27 | overnout | penguin: perhaps if you do it in vim |
| 18:30.33 | overnout | penguin: ..or vi |
| 18:30.51 | bunnies | mwelsh: you're not running proper debian, are you. |
| 18:30.52 | penguin | According to the K and P book it should work |
| 18:30.55 | arca | why don't yo use NTFS ? |
| 18:31.00 | penguin | I guess something changed. |
| 18:31.01 | mwelsh | i think i am |
| 18:31.05 | adobbie | Longkong, why would you want a giant FAT32 partition? |
| 18:31.08 | mwelsh | i didnt set up this machine |
| 18:31.11 | onre | asg yup, now wouldn't that be nice. "just patch all your system utils to handle this!" |
| 18:31.13 | mwelsh | is there a way to check? |
| 18:31.13 | abrotman | arca: because linux suport of NTFS is iffy |
| 18:31.14 | Longkong | adobbie: for my files ;) |
| 18:31.16 | asg | onre: I'm waiting for 'true --beef-flavoured' myself |
| 18:31.21 | bunnies | mwelsh: did you use the debian installer to install it or some kind of knoppix/ubuntu hybrid crap? |
| 18:31.25 | Longkong | adobbie: and I want acces to them from both OS |
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| 18:31.37 | mwelsh | i didnt install this machine, someone else did |
| 18:31.40 | onre | asg well, in my opinion jwz is right about 'every program evolves until it can read mail' :) |
| 18:31.44 | adobbie | abrotman, the FAT32 support isn't perfect either |
| 18:31.45 | bunnies | meh. |
| 18:31.45 | arca | just need to compile your core for it |
| 18:31.51 | mwelsh | is there a way to check? |
| 18:31.53 | abrotman | adobbie: it's way better than ntfs support |
| 18:32.16 | adobbie | abrotman, I'd rather stick with ext3 and XFS |
| 18:32.21 | Longkong | What isnt perfect in the FAT32 Support? ;) |
| 18:32.22 | ludi | how do I install a single package from SID, if I want all my other packages to remain under Sarge? |
| 18:32.27 | abrotman | adobbie: you know about xfs and power failure right ? |
| 18:32.34 | mwelsh | bunnies: im nearly sure that it is normal debian |
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| 18:32.41 | thingfish | !tell ludi about quick sarge/sid mix |
| 18:32.54 | jethro | Longkong: just have another box as a server and use samba on it :) |
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| 18:32.59 | penguin | Can you just download the deb file? |
| 18:33.02 | adobbie | abrotman, yeah, you don't lose data |
| 18:33.06 | thingfish | well, got that wrong... |
| 18:33.07 | abrotman | adobbie: not quite |
| 18:33.15 | adobbie | abrotman, XFS is great for reliability |
| 18:33.19 | abrotman | adobbie: in fact .. it's could be quite the opposite |
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| 18:33.26 | Longkong | jethro: very slow... I only have a 100mbs network |
| 18:33.27 | abrotman | adobbie: http://linuxmafia.com/faq/Filesystems/reiserfs.html |
| 18:33.31 | abrotman | adobbie: i suggest you read that |
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| 18:33.41 | ludi | thingfish: is !tell supposed to do something? If so, it didn't work I don't think |
| 18:33.53 | adobbie | abrotman, I've been using XFS for several years and I haven't lost a byte of data because of it |
| 18:33.54 | asg | !tell ludi about help |
| 18:34.01 | abrotman | adobbie: i suggest you read that :) |
| 18:34.10 | thomas_adam | asg: My two copies of the O'Reilly book came today. :) |
| 18:34.12 | jethro | Longkong: what kind of files do you want to access from both systems? |
| 18:34.13 | toresbe | is there any media player that can play a file backwards? |
| 18:34.19 | asg | thomas_adam: bah, I haven't received mine yet |
| 18:34.27 | abrotman | thomas_adam: fish! |
| 18:34.31 | abrotman | wait .. what book? |
| 18:34.38 | adobbie | abrotman, ok I'll take a look at the reiserfs propaganda |
| 18:34.38 | asg | abrotman: Linux Desktop Hacks |
| 18:34.39 | thingfish | ludi: yes it is, but I got that factoid wrong evidently, and the other combinations I'm trying aren't working either. |
| 18:35.05 | abrotman | adobbie: it is also relevant for XFS .. that's why i suggested you read it |
| 18:35.07 | mckillroy | What about this ? Does it mean I cannot use grsecurity anymore ? http://forums.grsecurity.net/viewtopic.php?t=1152 |
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| 18:35.13 | thingfish | what is the dpkg factoid to the effect of 'quick sarge-sid mix'? |
| 18:35.15 | Longkong | jethro: three types: my personal files (documents, etc.), CD-Images and movies and at last some games (I would save space if I only install them once, cedega can than use the same version as WIndows ;) ) |
| 18:35.20 | abrotman | adobbie: and it's nto reiser propaganda .. it's actually a warning |
| 18:35.21 | ludi | anyone know what the factoid name is for the quik sarge/sid mix? |
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| 18:35.25 | The_Walrus | hi.. anybody thats works with openswan? |
| 18:35.35 | Longkong | Documents, Images and Movies could go to the server, yes |
| 18:35.36 | jethro | Longkong: ah ok, forget about samba then :) |
| 18:35.38 | bytewalker | how do i upgrade ext2 to ext3? |
| 18:35.54 | asg | thingfish: looks like that factoid has been excised |
| 18:35.58 | streuner | !tell bytewalker about ext2->ext3 |
| 18:36.00 | abrotman | !tell ludi about simple sid/sarge mix |
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| 18:36.10 | thingfish | asg: ok, thanks, I was beginning to wonder. |
| 18:36.22 | asg | thingfish: or it's simple (as abrotman did above) |
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| 18:37.07 | abrotman | thingfish: try `/msg dpkg listkeys simple` |
| 18:37.17 | abrotman | he doesn't even try to hide it! |
| 18:37.34 | thingfish | why thank you, abrotman. |
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| 18:37.58 | Longkong | for just games (to share with windows), will FAT32 be ok? I dont really relay on this files ;) |
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| 18:38.11 | Longkong | It should just work and be fast ;) |
| 18:38.18 | thingfish | yes, asg, it's like abrotman wrote above, thanks again. |
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| 18:38.43 | adobbie | abrotman, I've had power go out lots of times while I was using my machine. perhaps my system isn't quite as easy to mess up |
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| 18:38.57 | smo_ | hi |
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| 18:39.06 | abrotman | adobbie: it's just a warning .. i did'nt say it *would* happen .. just something to be aware of |
| 18:39.11 | asg | thingfish: :) |
| 18:39.12 | smo_ | i have problems with dri since kernel 2.6.8-2 is it normal?? |
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| 18:39.18 | smo_ | radeon module |
| 18:39.23 | adobbie | abrotman, I'll for sure give it a try :) |
| 18:39.27 | asg | !kernel of instability |
| 18:39.27 | dpkg | Linux 2.6. "Andrew's vision, as expressed at the summit, is that the mainline kernel will be the fastest and most feature-rich kernel around, but not, necessarily, the most stable. Final stabilization is to be done by distributors (as happens now, really)..." <http://kerneltrap.org/node/view/3513>, or http://kerneltrap.org/node/4793 (new 2.6 numbering scheme - proposal) |
| 18:39.46 | abrotman | adobbie: if you take off the file name from that link .. other interesting articles to read |
| 18:39.59 | dli | how to search and replace strings containing '&' |
| 18:40.05 | smo_ | can t be inserted on 2.6.8-2 i updated to 2.6.8-11 module load but still no dri |
| 18:40.14 | dli | sorry, vim question |
| 18:40.15 | drac | smo_: yes, i've experienced some issues with it. besides, changing from 2.6.8 to 2.6.11.7/or 2.6.12-rc3 increased my FPS rate with direct rendering (glxgears) |
| 18:40.57 | smo_ | 2.6.12?? |
| 18:41.04 | asg | dli: s/&/foo/ |
| 18:41.04 | chealer | -rc3 |
| 18:41.06 | drac | snapshot. |
| 18:41.07 | smo_ | can t see that |
| 18:41.33 | chealer | !kernel |
| 18:41.35 | drac | smo_: also, you'll get twice as much FPS with xorg than you do now with xfree.. |
| 18:41.35 | dpkg | Linux kernel versions, stable: 2.6.11.7, prepatch: 2.6.12-rc3, 2.4: 2.4.30, snapshot: 2.4.30-bk3, 2.2: 2.2.26, prepatch: 2.2.27-rc2, 2.0: 2.0.40, -ac patch: 2.6.11-ac7, -mm patch: 2.6.12-rc2-mm3 |
| 18:41.35 | smo_ | wait |
| 18:42.01 | chealer | drac: heh, are you trying to get him on sid or experimental? |
| 18:42.05 | smo_ | i m on xorg yet.. |
| 18:42.13 | sobersabre | guys, i am working on a proj. (partially) with anjuta. |
| 18:42.15 | drac | chealer: neither, i'm using xorg on sarge. |
| 18:42.20 | smo_ | i need dri to try looking glass from sun... |
| 18:42.21 | chealer | smo_: what's your release? |
| 18:42.25 | drac | chealer: better FPS than with binary drivers. |
| 18:42.29 | procrastinator | If a have a Barton 2500+, is my architecture not k7 then? |
| 18:42.29 | abrotman | !win sobersabre |
| 18:42.30 | dpkg | Congratulations, sobersabre! You have won the US presidency! |
| 18:42.31 | sobersabre | i've put the sources into ./src |
| 18:42.35 | abrotman | procrastinator: it is |
| 18:42.39 | dli | asg: oh, got some problem with that |
| 18:42.50 | sobersabre | abrotman, i am happy. |
| 18:42.58 | procrastinator | damn |
| 18:42.59 | asg | dli: what problem? |
| 18:43.04 | sobersabre | anyways, i have put tests code into ./tests |
| 18:43.04 | abrotman | procrastinator: damn? |
| 18:43.12 | sobersabre | i want to run unit tests. |
| 18:43.13 | smo_ | i m in sid now |
| 18:43.33 | drac | smo_: what card? |
| 18:43.36 | chealer | smo_: and why are you using X.org? |
| 18:43.39 | sobersabre | whall i create a separate project for tests or i can tell anjuta to compile misc binaries ? |
| 18:43.46 | sobersabre | s/whall/shall/ |
| 18:43.49 | procrastinator | I just installed kernel-image-2.6.8-k7. It boots after ~5 minutes, and in runlevel 2 |
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| 18:44.08 | asg | dli: did you want to replace the whole line containing & with something? |
| 18:44.11 | dli | asg: is '(&' special in the replacing pattern |
| 18:44.34 | dli | asg: .,.+10s/gsl_integration_qagi (&F1, /gsl_integration_qags (&F1, int_umin1,int_um |
| 18:44.34 | dli | ax1,/g |
| 18:44.34 | abrotman | sobersabre: you might have more luck with a mailing list .. sounds fairly specific |
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| 18:44.45 | procrastinator | abrotman: I was hoping it was because of my k7-choice |
| 18:44.51 | dli | asg: this cmd behaviors crazily |
| 18:44.53 | sobersabre | abrotman, is there anjuta chan ? |
| 18:44.56 | abrotman | sobersabre: http://anjuta.sourceforge.net/ |
| 18:44.59 | ron_ | Is it possible to run 32 bits applications on a 64 bits kernel in Debian and at the same time run another program that's native 64 bits? |
| 18:45.07 | ron_ | AMD64 that is. |
| 18:45.11 | procrastinator | abrotman: And so the solution to my problem would be simple |
| 18:45.18 | sobersabre | besides ... does nobody here work with unit tests... no suggestions ? |
| 18:45.18 | ron_ | And ofcourse on Debian. |
| 18:45.19 | abrotman | sobersabre: i don't see one here or on irc.gnome.org .. you can try asking #gnome on irc.gnome.org if there is an anjuta channel |
| 18:45.25 | abrotman | sobersabre: it's C ? |
| 18:45.31 | jason_ | anyone at debion considering that a desktop and server releases are in order? |
| 18:45.34 | asg | dli: what vim version? |
| 18:45.34 | sobersabre | abrotman, yep |
| 18:45.45 | valdyn | jason_: no they arent |
| 18:45.51 | abrotman | sobersabre: you could maybe ask #c .. but they'll probably tell you to use make files or somethign .. dunno |
| 18:45.55 | sobersabre | i am now managing tests with separate makefile, by hand,.. vi |
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| 18:45.58 | jason_ | valdyn: why? |
| 18:46.00 | abrotman | jason_: /topic |
| 18:46.02 | furrywolf | has anyone heard of problems reading from dvd drives with newer 2.6 kernels? I'm running out of ideas... |
| 18:46.13 | abrotman | furrywolf: i'm gonna eat your tail! |
| 18:46.22 | dli | asg: oh, the tricky part is, '&' to search '\&' to replace |
| 18:46.25 | chealer | ron_: #debian-amd64 can tell you with certitude |
| 18:46.28 | abrotman | jason_: are you helping to fix bugs? |
| 18:46.29 | sobersabre | furrywolf, do you have a DVD drive ? |
| 18:46.44 | sobersabre | because if you don't... it is difficult to read DVDs with kernel 2.6 only |
| 18:46.49 | furrywolf | sobersabre: no. I'm trying to read DVDs in my cd-rom drive, and wondering why it doesn't work. |
| 18:46.56 | furrywolf | of course I have a dvd drive. :P |
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| 18:47.12 | asg | dli: yes |
| 18:47.23 | sobersabre | furrywolf, you don't want to hear what i've worked with on techsupp phoneline. |
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| 18:47.31 | greycat | crashbg: stop. |
| 18:47.37 | ron_ | chealer: I was already there (by educated guess). |
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| 18:47.43 | asg | crashbg: try the /server joke |
| 18:47.43 | ron_ | chealer: thx, anyway. |
| 18:47.51 | sobersabre | "they've told me that to connect to the internet i needed modem, now i am holding it in my hand... how do i connect?" |
| 18:48.00 | furrywolf | lol |
| 18:48.09 | crashbg | greycat, i'm on several networks, it wasn't for this one :) |
| 18:48.12 | crashbg | sory |
| 18:48.16 | sobersabre | "you 1st need to install it into your computer." |
| 18:48.23 | dli | asg: my gvim says, "3 changes", type enter or command |
| 18:48.23 | chealer | ron_: I'm pretty sure it is, but I guess you'd find it stated in their channel's FAQ |
| 18:48.26 | sobersabre | "they didn't say i needed a computer! do i need it?" |
| 18:48.51 | asg | !qotd117 is <reply>14:47 < sobersabre> "they've told me that to connect to the internet i needed modem, now i am holding it in my hand... how do i connect?" |
| 18:48.52 | dpkg | okay, asg |
| 18:49.03 | EdibleText | sobersabre, you're giving me flashbacks of yesterday. stop please. |
| 18:49.10 | furrywolf | lol |
| 18:49.21 | jason_ | abrotman: I'm using ubuntu with reluctance, it supports my hardware and is debian based, I dont feel I have enough knowledge to be fixing bugs. |
| 18:49.42 | asg | dli: did it perform any changes? |
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| 18:49.52 | sobersabre | jason_, at least report them |
| 18:50.10 | dli | asg: yes, but it asks me to type enter, then, it changes |
| 18:50.21 | sobersabre | EdibleText, i once had a kid who called a mouse "a rabbit" |
| 18:50.22 | abrotman | jason_: ok .. but you're asking about a debian release? |
| 18:50.33 | asg | dli: some ~/.vimrc entry. I've never seen that before |
| 18:50.53 | EdibleText | sobersabre, heh. I like the story of the old man who called it 'the mole'. |
| 18:50.59 | sobersabre | hehe |
| 18:51.00 | sobersabre | :) |
| 18:51.01 | sobersabre | nice |
| 18:51.06 | sobersabre | this is english |
| 18:51.08 | EdibleText | i think mole is better |
| 18:51.11 | FieldySnuts | has anyone had problems in a 2.6 kernel with the tigon (tg3) ethernet driver where everything reports the link as 1000Mbps but you never get anything past 100Mbps speeds? |
| 18:51.22 | sobersabre | yep, but "mouse" rhymes with "rabbit" in hebrew |
| 18:51.29 | abrotman | FieldySnuts: don't you need the firmware blob for that? |
| 18:51.30 | dli | asg: thanks :) it's not default then, how come |
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| 18:51.38 | sobersabre | FieldySnuts, |
| 18:51.43 | sobersabre | i am using such card |
| 18:51.51 | sobersabre | which are the other elements of the network ? |
| 18:51.52 | asg | dli: I'm not sure. Does it do that in regular vim also? |
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| 18:52.12 | jhares | i have -rw-r----- 1 root adm 493384 2005-04-22 20:48 /var/log/messages and i want to read it as user.. its safe chmod o+r? |
| 18:52.14 | dli | asg: I don't remember it did :( |
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| 18:52.37 | abrotman | jhares: that's up to you |
| 18:52.44 | asg | dli: some gvim addition perhaps. Check its menu or preferences drop down (if it has one) and see if there is something you can alter. |
| 18:52.47 | FieldySnuts | abrotman: no clue |
| 18:52.50 | valdyn | jhares: dont do it |
| 18:52.51 | asg | dli: just a guess, I've never used gvim |
| 18:52.57 | abrotman | FieldySnuts: or perhaps the speed is 100MBps ? |
| 18:53.00 | FieldySnuts | abrotman: i'll double check the kern docs though |
| 18:53.04 | furrywolf | brb. going to try using scsi emulation. |
| 18:53.07 | sobersabre | FieldySnuts, talk to me... |
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| 18:53.18 | valdyn | jhares: add your user to the adm group |
| 18:53.20 | abrotman | FieldySnuts: which would obviously be .. 800Mbps .. close to 1000 |
| 18:53.22 | FieldySnuts | abrotman: every tool minus mii-tool (which doesn't understand 1000) reports 1000Mbps, as does the NIC's link light and the switch |
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| 18:53.38 | luulis | FieldySnuts: or any machine you send data to has 100mbps ethernet card or something |
| 18:53.44 | sobersabre | FieldySnuts, can u reply my query |
| 18:53.45 | sobersabre | ? |
| 18:53.45 | FieldySnuts | abrotman: no, i'm well aware of the differences between Mbps and MBps |
| 18:53.47 | jhares | valdyn: ok.. i think about it too.. thx |
| 18:53.48 | abrotman | FieldySnuts: you could try the closed broadcom .. just for a comparison |
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| 18:53.55 | abrotman | FieldySnuts: just wanted to double check :) |
| 18:54.10 | FieldySnuts | luulis: no the other side is connnected to the same 1000Mbps switch, and also has a 1000Mbps card which is seeing those speeds |
| 18:54.19 | FieldySnuts | sobersabre: i don't know you, so i don't read unknown messages |
| 18:54.23 | sobersabre | :) |
| 18:54.29 | sobersabre | oh.. sorry |
| 18:54.34 | FieldySnuts | why whats up |
| 18:54.37 | FieldySnuts | i'll be right back checking docs |
| 18:54.38 | dli | asg: strange, it happens only to this command |
| 18:54.40 | sobersabre | for intrusion into your privacy... |
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| 18:54.48 | asg | dli: try commenting \( as well |
| 18:55.00 | sobersabre | FieldySnuts, is the switch working on 1Gb ? |
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| 18:55.20 | sobersabre | FieldySnuts, which switch is it ? |
| 18:55.48 | jason_ | abrotman: not nessisarily, but I would feel better that my OS was being monitered by the security team. I also like knowing if contrib and not-free are not in my repositories I am free from being seduced by the dark side of the source. |
| 18:56.13 | abrotman | jason_: well .. you could run sarge now .. should be out before xmas :) |
| 18:56.16 | FieldySnuts | sobersabre: yes it is. there are about 9 other servers connected to it, all 1Gbps and getting expected speeds |
| 18:56.17 | abrotman | !sarge security issues |
| 18:56.17 | dpkg | hmm... testing security issues is http://merkel.debian.org/~joeyh/testing-security.html |
| 18:56.20 | valdyn | jason_: no you arent |
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| 18:56.29 | dli | asg: \( is a special character, I think |
| 18:56.36 | asg | dli: \\( |
| 18:56.39 | sobersabre | FieldySnuts, so ... let's see. other servers with other NICs ? |
| 18:56.47 | FieldySnuts | abrotman: didn't see anything in the kernel help about firmware though it does mention (and not explain) that it should be used as a module. which is not good, i don't allow module functionality on my servers |
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| 18:57.03 | FieldySnuts | sobersabre: yes. i've been through all the basics, no offense. the problem is within this system. |
| 18:57.14 | sobersabre | FieldySnuts, you sometimes need FW upgrade, sometimes you need to play with sysctl |
| 18:57.14 | valdyn | jason_: i mean, theres plenty non-free software in your computer w/o installing anything ) |
| 18:57.21 | abrotman | FieldySnuts: hrm .. you got something against modules ? .. they're software too! :) |
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| 18:57.33 | sobersabre | FieldySnuts, are you loading the driver without parameters ? |
| 18:57.35 | FieldySnuts | having module loading ability in your kernel is a security hazard |
| 18:57.39 | FieldySnuts | sobersabre: yes |
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| 18:57.43 | abrotman | FieldySnuts: it was a joke :) |
| 18:57.46 | FieldySnuts | oh ok |
| 18:57.46 | dli | asg: no, that gives me '\(' literally |
| 18:57.58 | dli | asg: I want '(&' |
| 18:57.59 | FieldySnuts | sobersabre: i looked for paramaters anyway, i can't even find a list anyway |
| 18:58.08 | abrotman | FieldySnuts: doesn't modinfo list them ? |
| 18:58.17 | sobersabre | a normal driver gives you params in modinfo |
| 18:58.19 | FieldySnuts | abrotman: no, that works only for modules (not compiled in) |
| 18:58.20 | dli | asg: anyway, it works, only asks me to Hit Enter |
| 18:58.26 | abrotman | FieldySnuts: oh yeah .. duh :) |
| 18:58.31 | sobersabre | FieldySnuts, do you have the source ? |
| 18:58.42 | FieldySnuts | yep. I looked there, no paramaters are explained |
| 18:58.47 | FieldySnuts | and I'm not a coder so the rest is gibberish to me |
| 18:59.01 | luulis | FieldySnuts: are you using some custom compiled kernel to use tg3? i have broadcom ethernet card in my mobo and cant really use it with standard debian kernel images but i had a spare ethernet card so im using it instead |
| 18:59.01 | sobersabre | you don't need the source of the driver, you need the kernel. it is in Docs of the drivers. |
| 18:59.19 | abrotman | FieldySnuts: it's ok .. afaict .. it only has one parameter possible for the module |
| 18:59.20 | HobNob | hmm what would the best database system architecture be for high end spec database requirements |
| 18:59.23 | FieldySnuts | luulis: I build kernels myself, then patch grsecurity on top of it |
| 18:59.33 | HobNob | hpux? |
| 18:59.34 | FieldySnuts | sobersabre: yep, looked there |
| 18:59.47 | abrotman | HobNob: ask your company that is selling you the DB |
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| 18:59.58 | FieldySnuts | i'll look again in the Documents directory or whatever it was |
| 19:00.00 | HobNob | they're not i'm generally trying to educate myself on the commerical aspects |
| 19:00.03 | sobersabre | FieldySnuts, what /proc says about that interface on runtime ? |
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| 19:00.24 | valdyn | HobNob: sgi is building pretty insane linux systems |
| 19:00.27 | sobersabre | FieldySnuts, you can always use /proc... |
| 19:00.31 | sobersabre | and sysctl |
| 19:00.46 | abrotman | HobNob: it really depends on the database afaik .. especially with larger commercial DBs |
| 19:00.55 | HobNob | cool ;-) |
| 19:01.00 | sobersabre | FieldySnuts, BTW, which chipset exactly is it ? |
| 19:01.07 | FieldySnuts | oen thing at a time, brb |
| 19:01.15 | sobersabre | hm |
| 19:01.15 | abrotman | HobNob: ie .. IBM makes DB2 .. IBM makes AIX .. seems like a good fit to me :) |
| 19:01.26 | HobNob | yeh i'm aware of those |
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| 19:01.33 | onre | AIX is great. :> |
| 19:01.41 | abrotman | onre: liar |
| 19:01.42 | fewlbar | where can I add an entry to my application menu to be availble in all windows managers? |
| 19:01.43 | FieldySnuts | Ethernet controller: Broadcom Corporation NetXtreme BCM5701 Gigabit Ethernet (rev 15) is what lspci says. |
| 19:01.48 | fewlbar | like when I install something via apt-get? |
| 19:01.53 | fewlbar | it does it automatically |
| 19:01.55 | FieldySnuts | sobersabre: i've never messed around in /sys, what should I be looking for |
| 19:01.55 | onre | abrotman, not. i seriously think it's the best commercial unix available. :> |
| 19:01.58 | fewlbar | I need to add something myself |
| 19:02.01 | fewlbar | how? |
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| 19:02.09 | abrotman | onre: i think solaris and irix are better .. solaris for server .. irix for workstation |
| 19:02.12 | sobersabre | look at what speeds does the card run |
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| 19:02.32 | abrotman | fewlbar: learn the menu system |
| 19:02.37 | sobersabre | lemme look in my server.... |
| 19:02.39 | abrotman | !tell fewlbar about menu |
| 19:02.41 | jhares | valdyn: i edit /etc/group --> adm:x:4:jhares .. but i cant still read /var/log/messages as user? |
| 19:02.43 | HobNob | well solaris barely installs anything, so i suppose it's the most securfe in that sense |
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| 19:02.56 | sobersabre | FieldySnuts, btw, what dmesg says ? |
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| 19:03.00 | onre | abrotman, i deeply hate both. irix for its inherent insecurity combined with annoying bugs in userland commonly used tools, and solaris for it's bsd-svr4-schizophrenia. |
| 19:03.03 | fewlbar | !tell me about menu-methods |
| 19:03.14 | sobersabre | FieldySnuts, and... can you paste me ifconfig output ? |
| 19:03.15 | onre | abrotman, though solaris has improved a lot. |
| 19:03.21 | FieldySnuts | sobersabre: it's a lot easier to pull that info via ethtool, which says it can do 10 100 and 1000 Mbps, and it is currently at 1000Mbps, full duplex. kernel messages all say 1000Mbps. |
| 19:03.22 | onre | abrotman, whereas irix is still crap. |
| 19:03.23 | abrotman | onre: but irix is a dman cool desktop :) .. i didn't mention anything about security .. but CPUBurner alone is worth it :) |
| 19:03.34 | valdyn | jhair: you're not really suppose to edit this file directly, but you can. You need to log out and in to make group changes active |
| 19:03.37 | FieldySnuts | sobersabre: yeah lemme jam it on a pastebin |
| 19:03.47 | sobersabre | you can paste into query. |
| 19:03.54 | sobersabre | i don't give a ... |
| 19:03.56 | onre | abrotman, sure, irix is a whole lot of eye candy, almost enough to make you a diabetic |
| 19:03.58 | abrotman | onre: i actually don't like the way solaris does(did?) treats the OSS tools it installs as second-class crap |
| 19:04.02 | valdyn | jhares: you're not really suppose to edit this file directly, but you can. You need to log out and in to make group changes active |
| 19:04.04 | abrotman | onre: right .. but it's stll fun :) |
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| 19:04.38 | abrotman | FieldySnuts: bad cable? |
| 19:04.42 | onre | abrotman, me neither, and the pollution of /usr/local sucks, and WTF is /opt? "optional"? wtf? if all my disks are software-raid, is the software-raid userland section optional? |
| 19:04.51 | abrotman | onre: suse uses it too :) |
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| 19:05.13 | onre | abrotman, i think /opt should be tied onto the next soyuz and sent to the orbit. |
| 19:05.21 | myr | Hi guys ! |
| 19:05.26 | FieldySnuts | abrotman: i replaced it, no change. i've done everything concerned with looking at anything outside the system |
| 19:05.27 | abrotman | onre: oh that binary .. it's in /usr/ucb/bin/local/bin/gnu/bin :) |
| 19:05.29 | FieldySnuts | sobersabre: http://pastebin.ca/10092 |
| 19:05.35 | mr_clark | valdyn, my IBM A50 froze up again with ACPI=off in the kernel boot up. |
| 19:05.37 | mr_clark | Damn. |
| 19:05.44 | onre | abrotman, hahah :) exactly! "and which ld do you want to have this week?" :) |
| 19:05.52 | resiak | /opt is for packages that don't have nice bin/ etc/ stuff. |
| 19:05.53 | myr | I'd like to install the Nvidia closed source module, how can I do this with my Sarge ? |
| 19:05.59 | resiak | !tell myr -about nvidia howto |
| 19:06.07 | myr | thkx |
| 19:06.16 | abrotman | onre: but i still do like solaris for servers .. AIX does have that growable partition stuff though |
| 19:06.42 | bykte | anyone got this error when using nmap? Warning: arptype 65535 not supported by libpcap - falling back to cooked socket? |
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| 19:06.54 | abrotman | bykte: you're cooking now! |
| 19:06.59 | onre | abrotman, solaris has it too if you install the VxFS, veritas filesystem or whatever. but i still like aix better because there's unified interface to configure whatever hardware piece on whatever sort of aix machine you're on. |
| 19:07.01 | adobbie | abrotman, XFS has growable partitions too |
| 19:07.04 | bykte | abrotman? |
| 19:07.08 | abrotman | onre: yeah .. doesn't come with it |
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| 19:07.27 | abrotman | adobbie: i know it does .. but i don't like irix for a commercial unix server |
| 19:07.34 | sobersabre | FieldySnuts, moment pls |
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| 19:07.37 | abrotman | bykte: bad joke |
| 19:07.54 | onre | now it's beertime, i suppose -> |
| 19:08.00 | abrotman | :beer onre |
| 19:08.03 | abrotman | err |
| 19:08.05 | abrotman | !beer onre |
| 19:08.07 | FieldySnuts | abrotman / sobersabre : unless i come up with other ideas, the next thing is replacing that NIC with a second one of the same that we have. trying to avoid this, as it's a server and even if I did it at 3am on a saturday i'll piss somebody off hehe. anyway thanks for the tips |
| 19:08.22 | onre | haha, see you later :) |
| 19:08.33 | FieldySnuts | i'd also like to try a different port on the switch but they're all used.. shrug |
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| 19:08.44 | abrotman | FieldySnuts: oh .. you can't use the binary broadcom cause you don't allow modules ... |
| 19:08.47 | abrotman | FieldySnuts: is it external? |
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| 19:08.51 | FieldySnuts | damn i just did /clear can whoever that was say that again? |
| 19:09.01 | FieldySnuts | i saw "external" comment but not the one before |
| 19:09.09 | abrotman | FieldySnuts: oh .. you can't use the binary broadcom cause you don't allow modules ... |
| 19:09.10 | abrotman | FieldySnuts: is it external? |
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| 19:09.16 | sobersabre | FieldySnuts, you have autoneg on |
| 19:09.20 | sobersabre | this is bad |
| 19:09.24 | FieldySnuts | abrotman: not sure what you mean |
| 19:09.30 | FieldySnuts | sobersabre: yes |
| 19:09.32 | sobersabre | another thing... how many cables do you have |
| 19:09.34 | sobersabre | ? |
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| 19:09.46 | FieldySnuts | sobersabre: between that system and the switch? 1, 14 feet, brand new (I just replaced it) |
| 19:09.48 | abrotman | FieldySnuts: i mean .. could you temporarily .. load up a debian kernel .. muck with the module etc .. perhaps try the closed source driver .. just to see ? |
| 19:09.55 | ron_ | Is there also someway to mount ftp shares to a certain directory like sambafs? |
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| 19:10.02 | IRCMargaret | Hello |
| 19:10.03 | emullen | cu all |
| 19:10.11 | FieldySnuts | abrotman: not really, it has to stay up and it's theo nly one like it here |
| 19:10.15 | abrotman | ron_: google doesn't say anything ? |
| 19:10.15 | sobersabre | FieldySnuts, can you turn autoneg off somehow ? |
| 19:10.16 | FieldySnuts | abrotman: i see what you're sayin though |
| 19:10.22 | emiraga | hello, i compiled my kernel 2.6 instead default 2.4. When booting e2fsck fails telling that /dev/hdc1 is not found? can anyone help me? |
| 19:10.23 | abrotman | FieldySnuts: jsut to test :) |
| 19:10.25 | FieldySnuts | sobersabre: yes |
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| 19:10.35 | amorphix | hi guys |
| 19:10.45 | FieldySnuts | sobersabre: though i've already tried setting it to 1000 manually whyich worked fine,but still don't get 1000Mbps speeds |
| 19:10.48 | amorphix | my mouse has gone mental, keeps highlighting every window it moves over |
| 19:10.58 | FieldySnuts | i can't do that now though, middle of the day, it's seeing it's peak time right now |
| 19:11.12 | amorphix | hi Fieldy |
| 19:11.37 | jhair | ron_, in Emacs, with Tramp I can open an ftp directory (e.g. /anonymous@ftp.de.debian.org:/) without mounting, quite handy |
| 19:11.39 | abrotman | FieldySnuts: is it actually saturating the card? .. i mean .. does it really matter? |
| 19:11.42 | FieldySnuts | I've also tried setting the MTU to 3000 , zero change so it's not that |
| 19:11.57 | amorphix | abrotman: hi |
| 19:12.08 | FieldySnuts | abrotman: the company paid for a 1Gbps card and they're getting 100Mbps speeds through it, it must do 1000 |
| 19:12.19 | bytewalker | are there good tools for kde for like battery monitering etc other laptop things? |
| 19:12.26 | abrotman | FieldySnuts: okeedokee |
| 19:12.28 | abrotman | amorphix: hi |
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| 19:12.35 | Epicenter | I set up a server and installed wu-ftpd on it, now when users log in they can upload files just fine, but when they try to delete them, they get a permission denied error. I checked and the files are owned by the user who uploaded them and their delete permission is not specifically revoked in the config file, only 'anonymous'' is . What would cause this? |
| 19:12.37 | amorphix | bytewalker: i have one on my laptop |
| 19:12.41 | FieldySnuts | it's not being saturated as far as I can tell, it's also a 64-bit card |
| 19:12.54 | *** mode/#debian [+o dondelelcaro] by ChanServ |
| 19:12.55 | FieldySnuts | "J"? |
| 19:12.57 | amorphix | bytewalker: i think battery monitoring is included as standard in alot of setups |
| 19:12.57 | karamelos | Booting a 2.6.10 kernel I get a xx seconds pause and then a long list of ERRORs like this: ERROR: Removing 'amd74xx': Device or resource busy |
| 19:12.58 | karamelos | and then this: umount: devfs: not mounted, mount: unknown filesystem type 'devfs' |
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| 19:13.04 | bytewalker | kk |
| 19:13.06 | FieldySnuts | oh chanmode |
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| 19:13.17 | chealer | karamelos: it's a known initrd-tools bug |
| 19:13.18 | sobersabre | FieldySnuts, MTU is the last thing you need to mess with |
| 19:13.27 | ron_ | abrotman: Google spams a lot with NFS and Samba, but I couldn't get Samba to work, and now use ftp (via a client), but I want something more transparant. |
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| 19:13.38 | chealer | karamelos: IIRC. and it seemed to be only esthetic |
| 19:13.52 | FieldySnuts | sobersabre: shows how much i've tried already :) but i set it back to the default of 1500. |
| 19:13.56 | amorphix | i wish i could get my sound to work reliably in KDE |
| 19:14.03 | sobersabre | FieldySnuts, tell me which speed tests you have done ? |
| 19:14.04 | angrylinuxgeek | I need to disable DPMS so I can play a game without the monitor turning off. I tried xset -dpms and that didn't work. Can anyone help? |
| 19:14.37 | karamelos | chealer: how can I prevent that puase while booting? |
| 19:14.39 | abrotman | ron_: there is sshfs or something like that |
| 19:14.50 | ron_ | jhair: I don't use emacs, but a nice suggestion. |
| 19:14.54 | ron_ | abrotman: Interesting |
| 19:14.59 | bykte | is there a proxy/socks scanner for debian? |
| 19:15.00 | amorphix | is Linux really all its cracked up to be for desktop OS i wonder, my experience hasnt been so good so far..but thats mainly due to hardware issues |
| 19:15.04 | chealer | karamelos: does it really take long? I couldn't even note the messages here |
| 19:15.19 | FieldySnuts | sobersabre: server FTP. Client logs into ftp server, fetches a 600 or 1200MB file. When i put that card in yesterday, I got 17 - 50 MB/s sustained speeds. Today, nothing that I know of having changed, it acts just like 100Mbps: starts at 9MB/s, drops to 8 and stays there. |
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| 19:15.22 | emiraga | what is wrong with my configuration of kernel, and it does not create /dev/hd* files but official kernel from debian does it? |
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| 19:15.25 | karamelos | chealer, about 10 seconds. |
| 19:15.45 | chealer | bytewalker: ask #debian-kde |
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| 19:16.23 | chealer | karamelos: bah, I could try, but if that's all it takes, consider that it's a small price for running unstable |
| 19:16.33 | FieldySnuts | I think what i'll do is enable module suport anyway, just temporarily, make that a module and then use modinfo so i can at least get the paramaters if any... brb starting that build |
| 19:16.58 | abrotman | !tell ron_ about shfs |
| 19:17.03 | FieldySnuts | ravenbird: any ideas? |
| 19:17.04 | ravenbird | Yeah, I have an idea! But I'll need a drawer full of string, a little cod liver oil, and a handful of rabid dairy cows. And keep the KGB off my back for the next few hours! |
| 19:17.07 | streuner | emiraga: udev installed? |
| 19:17.09 | abrotman | FieldySnuts: i told you .. only one parameter |
| 19:17.24 | FieldySnuts | abrotman: oh, musta missed that. not useful, i imagine? |
| 19:17.25 | abrotman | modinfo -p tg3 |
| 19:17.25 | abrotman | tg3_debug:Tigon3 bitmapped debugging message enable value |
| 19:17.41 | emiraga | streuner: does Debian 3 rc uses udev? |
| 19:17.41 | abrotman | uname -r |
| 19:17.41 | abrotman | 2.6.8-2-686-smp |
| 19:17.42 | karamelos | chealer: is there something in the kernel config I could disable to prevent those errors? |
| 19:17.44 | zlate | how do i do a netinstall with the base system on a usbmemorystick? |
| 19:17.44 | FieldySnuts | hrm. that gives me an idea, turn up the logging level or whatever it is via ethtool |
| 19:17.57 | abrotman | FieldySnuts: does that help ? |
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| 19:18.03 | streuner | emiraga: dpkg -l udev would tell you |
| 19:18.23 | sobersabre | FieldySnuts, tell me this. who installed physically the card ? |
| 19:18.26 | amorphix | hi streuner |
| 19:18.35 | streuner | amorphix: hi |
| 19:18.41 | amorphix | streuner: still no luck with my soundcard, sux eh |
| 19:18.44 | bunnies | in soviet russia, kernel compile kills you |
| 19:18.47 | FieldySnuts | sobersabre: me |
| 19:18.53 | FieldySnuts | bunnies: HEH |
| 19:18.54 | amorphix | i must be doing something wrong |
| 19:19.03 | emiraga | streuner: pn udev <none> (no desc...) |
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| 19:19.17 | streuner | amorphix: we get that bitch working ;-) |
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| 19:19.19 | amorphix | streuner: i actually had it working earlier, playing sound files etc, but no sound events in KDE |
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| 19:19.25 | amorphix | :-) |
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| 19:20.11 | FieldySnuts | brb, will answermessages when i get back |
| 19:20.16 | chealer | karamelos: if you really think it's worth more investigation, all I know about it comes from http://lists.debian.org/debian-kernel/2005/02/msg00438.html |
| 19:20.30 | sobersabre | FieldySnuts, so which tests have you run to measure the speed ? |
| 19:20.45 | kojak | can anyone give me input on how to adjust screen res for a ati radeon card |
| 19:20.48 | streuner | emiraga: cp the kernel-konfig of debian official and use that |
| 19:20.58 | amorphix | this is what puts me off Linux as a workstation/desktop OS, the hardware issues and hours/days you can spend messing around |
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| 19:21.15 | karamelos | chealer, thanks I will investigate. |
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| 19:21.22 | emiraga | streuner: are 2.4 and 2.6 similar and reusable? |
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| 19:21.53 | daniel_erasmo | anybody knows a error GRUB Hard Disk Error ? |
| 19:21.59 | dondelelcaro | amorphix: it's not really a big deal when you purchase hardware with linux use in mind |
| 19:22.06 | abrotman | daniel_erasmo: be more vague |
| 19:22.12 | sobersabre | daniel_erasmo, do u use grub on scsi disk ? |
| 19:22.19 | daniel_erasmo | no, IDE |
| 19:22.34 | sobersabre | how many decades did your disk live ? |
| 19:22.35 | abrotman | !es |
| 19:22.35 | streuner | emiraga: they are almost similar, but use an 2.6.x kernel-config in order to compile an 2.6.x kernel |
| 19:22.35 | dpkg | Hispanohablantes: Por favor usen #debian-es, alli obtendran mas ayuda. Spanish Speakers: Please use #debian-es, there you will get much more help. |
| 19:22.39 | daniel_erasmo | I have a Acer TravelMate C100 |
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| 19:22.50 | emiraga | streuner: thanks |
| 19:22.54 | Epicenter | I set up a server and installed wu-ftpd on it, now when users log in they can upload files just fine, but when they try to delete them, they get a permission denied error. I checked and the files are owned by the user who uploaded them and their delete permission is not specifically revoked in the config file, only 'anonymous'' is . What would cause this? |
| 19:23.48 | sobersabre | Epicenter, in ftpd, you need to allow delete operation. |
| 19:23.53 | amorphix | dondelelcaro i guess you're right, but thats not so practical when you already have a system and peripherals |
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| 19:24.06 | FieldySnuts | sobersabre: the one I explained above (FTP) |
| 19:24.09 | Epicenter | sobersabre: I see no option to do it in the config file |
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| 19:24.33 | dondelelcaro | amorphix: well, most of the stuff works. It's not like we can do much about the lack of hardware vendor support. |
| 19:24.45 | derek | how would i list installed programs that contained kde, im trying to remove it and want to get everything else it installed |
| 19:24.53 | Epicenter | sobersabre: This is with wu-ftpd though. With ftpd I can connect and then it drops me after 'waiting for login sequence' |
| 19:24.58 | amorphix | well my soundcard doesnt work right, my graphics tablet, my camera, my pda |
| 19:25.07 | dondelelcaro | amorphix: if you purchase hardware from vendors who have decided that providing specifications necessary to write a driver is totally optional, that's the breaks. |
| 19:25.09 | valdyn | derek: errm? EVERYTHING else? |
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| 19:25.18 | valdyn | derek: do you know what you are up to? |
| 19:25.21 | amorphix | that sux |
| 19:25.28 | dondelelcaro | *shrug* |
| 19:25.42 | derek | valdyn: well, it installed tons of extra things, i don't think i will ever use them |
| 19:25.50 | dondelelcaro | amorphix: you've got access everything that everyone else has. Feel free to file bugs and or fix the problem.s |
| 19:25.56 | derek | i mean everything related to kde |
| 19:25.56 | valdyn | derek: oh sorry , i think i misread, "/msg dpkg remove kde" |
| 19:26.04 | Longkong | I want to make a data server, normally I would take stable, but is it worth the work? I mean sarge will come in half a year or a year or something.... |
| 19:26.16 | derek | thanks |
| 19:26.17 | Longkong | Is sarge enogh stable for a server? |
| 19:26.24 | dondelelcaro | Longkong: depends on how important the machine is. |
| 19:26.40 | dondelelcaro | Longkong: generally, if you have to ask, and you can actually live with running woody, I'd personally run woody. |
| 19:26.52 | streuner | amorphix: /j #flood |
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| 19:29.22 | Longkong | I think I will try sarge :) |
| 19:29.30 | FieldySnuts | abrotman / sobersabre : all this time i've only been doing speed tests pulling from the machine with this NIC. When I put to it, I get Gbps speeds. so it appears there's a bottleneck which is odd, they are seagate cheetah 10000RPM scsi drives. maybe the controller or bus is screwed. |
| 19:29.44 | lee | I need to remotely (via ssh) make an app (galeon) load in an existing X11 session, is that possible? |
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| 19:30.08 | derek | Longkong: sarge is fine for a server |
| 19:30.14 | daniel_erasmo | I tried install de Ubuntu on my pc, but I received this message after first step of the installation: GRUB Hard Disk Error. |
| 19:30.17 | dondelelcaro | Longkong: as always, it's your decision. If you do decide to run sarge, you need to make sure you're subscribed to debian-security-announce, and you should also track the severity>= serious bugs that may have security implications present in sarge. |
| 19:30.27 | Delph | daniel_erasmo: this is #debian, try #ubuntu. |
| 19:30.37 | daniel_erasmo | ok tks ! |
| 19:30.47 | daniel_erasmo | #ubuntu |
| 19:30.55 | Markrian | lee, do "DISPLAY=:0.0 galeon" |
| 19:30.57 | Epicenter | .. |
| 19:30.59 | FieldySnuts | <PROTECTED> |
| 19:31.00 | dondelelcaro | daniel_erasmo: /join #ubuntu |
| 19:31.05 | Markrian | lee, that should work |
| 19:31.12 | Longkong | dondelelcaro: the server is not connected to the internet, so security is not a problem ;) |
| 19:31.14 | Markrian | lee, though I can't imagine why you'd want to do that ;o |
| 19:31.34 | dondelelcaro | Longkong: security is always a problem. |
| 19:31.36 | daniel_erasmo | tks |
| 19:31.51 | dondelelcaro | Longkong: it just may not be as acute of a problem... |
| 19:31.53 | FieldySnuts | @smite another person who puts security low on the list |
| 19:32.01 | FieldySnuts | ribbit. |
| 19:32.03 | lee | Markrian: excellent, thanks |
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| 19:32.25 | lee | Markrian: because I am a couple hundred miles away from the users who can barely hunt and peck to use the keyboard :P |
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| 19:32.33 | streuner | amorphix: should i waiting the whole evening in #flood? |
| 19:32.34 | Markrian | lee, oh dear. |
| 19:32.44 | FieldySnuts | abrotman: what were those module paramaters again? i did a /clear . trying to figure out how to get tx and rx flow control on |
| 19:32.59 | Markrian | FieldySnuts, users are free to leave their systems insecure if they so choose; it's their problem! :) Developers, on the other hand... |
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| 19:33.15 | abrotman | tg3_debug:Tigon3 bitmapped debugging message enable value |
| 19:33.22 | abrotman | FieldySnuts: ^^ |
| 19:33.26 | FieldySnuts | Markrian: that's a lame attitude. that means more users systems are broken into, and more systems are leveraged to perform attacks against my servers. |
| 19:33.31 | FieldySnuts | abrotman: thanks |
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| 19:33.44 | abrotman | FieldySnuts: i can't imagine those seagate drives would be a bottle neck though |
| 19:34.06 | Longkong | dondelelcaro: if I often make a dist-upgrade I think it should not be a problem ;) |
| 19:34.06 | Markrian | FieldySnuts, this is true. But most users don't even know what security means |
| 19:34.06 | dondelelcaro | Longkong: uh, no. |
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| 19:34.47 | Longkong | dondelelcaro: I mean other distibutions do also have up-to-date software, and they sould be secure too (gentoo e.g.) |
| 19:34.57 | FieldySnuts | abrotman: no doubt. |
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| 19:35.27 | FieldySnuts | anyone know how I turn these on? kernel: tg3: eth0: Flow control is off for TX and off for RX. ethtool doesn't seem to be able to. |
| 19:35.43 | bunnies | !anyone know |
| 19:35.43 | abrotman | mii-tool ? |
| 19:35.44 | dpkg | Nope, no one knows! Actually, someone *might* know, but it's best to simply state your problem or ask your question. If someone in the know is around, they will answer, if not, well, no one knows ;). |
| 19:35.48 | bunnies | :-| |
| 19:35.51 | abrotman | !lart bunnies |
| 19:35.52 | dondelelcaro | Longkong: you seem to have a fundamental misunderstanding of the process of moving software from unstable to testing. While security fixes are high priority, the package must also be relatively free of bugs to propogate. Even then, the package often takes a few days to prepare. |
| 19:36.02 | Delph | !screwdriver-rape abrotman |
| 19:36.02 | FieldySnuts | is bunnies sussudio? |
| 19:36.03 | abrotman | that's a funny picture :) |
| 19:36.07 | FieldySnuts | @lart Delph |
| 19:36.13 | abrotman | Piggy: why does nt pattern match my left testicle ? |
| 19:36.18 | FieldySnuts | er |
| 19:36.19 | Epicenter | I set up a server and installed wu-ftpd on it, now when users log in they can upload files just fine, but when they try to delete them, they get a permission denied error. I checked and the files are owned by the user who uploaded them and their delete permission is not specifically revoked in the config file, only 'anonymous'' is . What would cause this? |
| 19:36.33 | bunnies | Epicenter: me |
| 19:36.39 | dondelelcaro | Longkong: it's not a big deal, but you have to be aware of the situtation that you're getting into, and follow things appropriately |
| 19:36.48 | FieldySnuts | Epicenter: i stopped reading at wu-ftpd . replace that. major security hazard. |
| 19:36.58 | FieldySnuts | then talk to us |
| 19:37.02 | abrotman | Epicenter: try proftpd or vsftpd |
| 19:37.13 | abrotman | or .. scp or sftp |
| 19:37.19 | Longkong | dondelelcaro: it takes also a time to get a gentoo ebuild from testing to stable ;) |
| 19:37.24 | bunnies | aww.... Epicenter is running ubuntu. |
| 19:37.30 | bunnies | !hurt Epicenter |
| 19:37.38 | dondelelcaro | Longkong: uh, sure... but we're not talking about gentoo here. |
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| 19:38.12 | inepto | hola |
| 19:38.15 | inepto | amigos |
| 19:38.15 | mango | what tool can i use to decompress .rar files? |
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| 19:38.18 | Epicenter | ugh |
| 19:38.23 | dondelelcaro | Longkong: Perhaps you should read a bit about how the testing scripts actually work? Then you'll understand what I'm saying. |
| 19:38.27 | dondelelcaro | mango: unrar |
| 19:38.28 | Epicenter | when I try to use proftpd or pureftpd I get this kind of message from my FTP client: |
| 19:38.31 | valdyn | mango: rar / unrar |
| 19:38.34 | Epicenter | <PROTECTED> |
| 19:38.35 | Epicenter | <PROTECTED> |
| 19:38.37 | mango | dondelelcaro: thanx |
| 19:38.40 | Epicenter | disconnectd |
| 19:38.42 | mango | valdyn: thanks |
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| 19:40.30 | amk | Package maintainer question: files beginning with /etc/ are assumed to be conffiles. So how should /etc/init.d scripts be installed in a package? |
| 19:40.50 | abrotman | amk: did you read the packaging docs? |
| 19:40.59 | dondelelcaro | Longkong: specifically http://www.linuxmafia.com/debian/testingfaq.html and question #3 |
| 19:41.05 | sameer | hey people |
| 19:41.10 | abrotman | amk: or try #debian-mentor or mentors .. whichever it is |
| 19:41.18 | FieldySnuts | ravenbird: pee |
| 19:41.18 | ravenbird | Ok. |
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| 19:41.21 | sameer | does nice realy make process run faster? |
| 19:41.21 | FieldySnuts | eh |
| 19:41.34 | valdyn | sameer: man nice |
| 19:41.36 | EdibleText | !nice |
| 19:41.36 | dpkg | i guess nice is prime example of SuperJuan, or a good term for GNOME a derogatory term meaning bland, boring, feeble, or just crap. Example: That's a nice haircut. a city in france, or a program that will run a program with a modified scheduling priority (from -20 to 19, where 19 is the lowest). |
| 19:41.38 | abrotman | @pee on FieldySnuts |
| 19:41.44 | FieldySnuts | if you lower its priorit (renice). nice default is 10, which means more processes get higher prioroty over it |
| 19:41.44 | abrotman | FieldySnuts: better? |
| 19:41.46 | FieldySnuts | argh |
| 19:41.50 | FieldySnuts | no!@ |
| 19:41.53 | abrotman | heh |
| 19:41.54 | abrotman | sorry |
| 19:41.56 | amk | abrotman: the packaging manual doesn't seem to match the current state of things. I'll try debian-mentors, thanks! |
| 19:41.56 | FieldySnuts | hehe |
| 19:42.05 | sameer | ok i mean in the real world situation.. like is it worth .. |
| 19:42.06 | FieldySnuts | i didn't know about that one |
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| 19:42.15 | sobersabre | mango, unrar |
| 19:42.15 | FieldySnuts | ravenbird: samir? |
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| 19:42.16 | abrotman | amk: if you feel the manual is out of date .. i think you ca |
| 19:42.16 | ravenbird | FieldySnuts: have you tried http://www.tldp.org/ ? |
| 19:42.18 | abrotman | bah .. he left |
| 19:42.26 | FieldySnuts | aw it used to do samir quotes from Office Space hehe |
| 19:42.31 | FieldySnuts | "This is a fuck!!" "Son of an ass!" |
| 19:42.31 | sobersabre | oops. didn't scroll |
| 19:42.36 | weasel | :) |
| 19:42.42 | abrotman | weasel! |
| 19:42.47 | valdyn | sameer: dont bother using it to speed up anything, if you have to ask like this, the reverse though does make sense at times |
| 19:42.50 | FieldySnuts | apt: samir? |
| 19:42.51 | apt | This is a fuck! |
| 19:42.54 | FieldySnuts | :) |
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| 19:43.16 | valdyn | sameer: you can nicely make your system unusable by "speeding up" the wrong stuff |
| 19:43.26 | FieldySnuts | renice -20 `pidof dnetc` |
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| 19:43.30 | FieldySnuts | DON'T do that |
| 19:43.58 | abrotman | heh |
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| 19:46.16 | FieldySnuts | great i have to read tg3.c to guess the message levels that are useful |
| 19:46.25 | FieldySnuts | ravenbird: hack tg3.c |
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| 19:47.12 | bunnies | !exploit FieldySnuts |
| 19:47.24 | abrotman | hah |
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| 19:47.30 | FieldySnuts | oh damn |
| 19:47.31 | FieldySnuts | hahaha |
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| 19:47.51 | hrishi | in the following syslog machone, how do i find which facility has created this Apr 23 18:48:08 192.168.10.220 kdm(pam_unix)[269]: session opened for user root by (uid=0) |
| 19:48.05 | abrotman | hrishi: it tells you .. it's right there .. kdm |
| 19:48.24 | valdyn | hrishi: read what is before the ':' |
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| 19:48.31 | Quickimaster | hellp |
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| 19:48.34 | Quickimaster | hello |
| 19:48.38 | hrishi | abortman: but then how do i calcuate the severity |
| 19:48.44 | Quickimaster | how can i unzip something on debian using SSH? |
| 19:48.57 | abrotman | Quickimaster: install zip |
| 19:48.58 | valdyn | hrishi: severity? |
| 19:49.04 | abrotman | doesn't look severe to me :) |
| 19:49.17 | valdyn | hrishi: you logged in as root yourself, didnt you? |
| 19:49.28 | Xenguy | Quickimaster: unzip ? |
| 19:49.58 | hrishi | valdyn: yes |
| 19:50.02 | Epicenter | Why would ProFTPD, PureFTPD or FTPD (anything but wu_ftpd) make all users unable to even TRY to log in? As it SHOULD prompt the client for a login it instead just times out. What the hell? |
| 19:50.05 | FieldySnuts | ravenbird: unzip test |
| 19:50.05 | ravenbird | FieldySnuts: wish i knew |
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| 19:50.22 | hrishi | see rfc 3246 |
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| 19:50.31 | valdyn | hrishi: thats all it tells you, that someone logged in as root from 192.168.10.220 |
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| 19:50.40 | mngrif | Epicenter: vsftpd works perfect for me |
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| 19:50.59 | Quickimaster | how can i install zip? i have found the files (.deb) |
| 19:51.05 | hrishi | oh that is a remote machine |
| 19:51.06 | Mutiny_ | is there a way to get the Debian SARGE installer to boot the 2.6 kernel? |
| 19:51.19 | Epicenter | mngrif: I'll try that I guess |
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| 19:51.32 | ysothoth | Mutiny_: Yes, use the debian installer. |
| 19:51.36 | mngrif | Epicenter: kernel.org runs it if you're worried about reliability or security.. |
| 19:51.52 | valdyn | !info zip |
| 19:51.59 | dpkg | zip: (Archiver for .zip files), section utils, is optional. Version: 2.31-1 (sid), Packaged size: 97 kB, Installed size: 244 kB |
| 19:52.07 | Epicenter | mngrif: is it not in the repositories? |
| 19:52.13 | valdyn | Quickimaster: ignore the debs and run "apt-get install zip" |
| 19:52.15 | mngrif | Epicenter: it's in unstabl |
| 19:52.16 | mngrif | e |
| 19:52.22 | Epicenter | ahh |
| 19:52.27 | Epicenter | Is it a security risk? :P |
| 19:52.38 | mngrif | kernel.org runs it |
| 19:52.48 | Mutiny_ | ysothoth okay i used this iso image http://cdimage.debian.org/pub/cdimage-testing/sarge_d-i/i386/rc3/sarge-i386-netinst.iso which was linked from debian.org/devel/debian-installer should i use a different one? |
| 19:52.49 | Epicenter | UGH same behavior |
| 19:52.49 | Epicenter | <PROTECTED> |
| 19:52.49 | Epicenter | <PROTECTED> |
| 19:52.49 | Epicenter | <PROTECTED> |
| 19:52.49 | Epicenter | <PROTECTED> |
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| 19:52.57 | Epicenter | crap |
| 19:53.21 | ysothoth | Mutiny_: There are 2.6 kernels on that disk man, check it |
| 19:53.52 | Epicenter | so .. VSFTP is not taking either :P |
| 19:54.13 | chealer | Mutiny_: use the linux26 install parameter |
| 19:54.18 | mngrif | personaly i want a debian installer that will let me pick between stable/testing/unstable at the beginning of the install |
| 19:54.21 | Mutiny_ | ysothoth right, but can the installer itself boot 2.6? i'm trying to install on a disk attached to a SCSI controller that the 2.4 drivers freak out on (but the other ones are fine) |
| 19:54.31 | Epicenter | What is so horribly insecure abotu WU_FTPD? |
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| 19:54.49 | mngrif | Epicenter: are you running some kind of personal firewall? |
| 19:54.55 | chealer | mngrif: haha, 15 CDs is not enough for you :) |
| 19:55.07 | Epicenter | mngrif: No. I can connect if the sytem is using WuFTPd but nothing else |
| 19:55.08 | Mutiny_ | if linux26 is right in grub and i didn't even see it i'm going to be upset with myself. |
| 19:55.11 | bunnies | again, Epicenter, ubuntu is not debian./ |
| 19:55.13 | mngrif | chealer: erm, NETWORK install... |
| 19:55.25 | Epicenter | bunnies: I'm using Ubuntu .. |
| 19:55.33 | mngrif | #ubuntu |
| 19:55.35 | valdyn | Epicenter: what are you using to log in via ftp? |
| 19:55.36 | bunnies | Epicenter: so go to #ubuntu. |
| 19:55.43 | Epicenter | but the packages are identical. |
| 19:55.46 | chealer | mngrif: I heard talks about it, it should come... after sarge, of course :) |
| 19:55.47 | Epicenter | valdyn: smartFTP. |
| 19:55.53 | bunnies | Epicenter: no. |
| 19:56.03 | EdibleText | !ubuntusmite Epicenter |
| 19:56.04 | valdyn | Epicenter: learn to use it or use a different ftp client... |
| 19:56.12 | mngrif | chealer: 5 or so years ago the installer would let you choose. |
| 19:56.15 | Nwallins | should i edit /etc/init.d/dnsmasq to provide a server option to the command on startup? |
| 19:56.17 | mngrif | the installer sucked |
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| 19:56.44 | Mutiny_ | haha oh there is now i feel like a jackass. |
| 19:56.57 | Mutiny_ | thank you very much chealer, ysothoth. |
| 19:57.01 | furrywolf | welp, I'm now convinced it's a kernel bug... brought the drive to a relative with a dual-boot debian/windoze box... under linux, trying to read from the drive gives random errors, interrupt handler errors, etc, and I have to hit reset... drive works flawlessly from windows. |
| 19:57.01 | Nwallins | i want local services to use dnsmasq rather than the upstream servers in /etc/resolv.conf |
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| 19:57.12 | Epicenter | I've tried various FTP clients, even things like just ftp.exe on a windows machine. I get Connected .... tehn connection to host lost |
| 19:57.14 | Epicenter | NO LOGIN prompt |
| 19:57.15 | Epicenter | at all! |
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| 19:57.44 | Epicenter | also, I'm here because no one in Ubuntu has made any attempt to help, period |
| 19:57.59 | bunnies | grm... |
| 19:58.01 | valdyn | Nwallins: that doesnt make sense |
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| 19:58.07 | Epicenter | and I believe the policy here is to attempt to help as long as the aspect the person needs help with is not entirely specfiic to Ubuntu. |
| 19:58.07 | chealer | Epicenter: Sorry, try again! |
| 19:58.26 | valdyn | Nwallins: resolv.conf sets your dns server. |
| 19:58.28 | bunnies | Epicenter: it is not. |
| 19:58.28 | Epicenter | Tried many times |
| 19:58.29 | Nwallins | valdyn: the default setup for dnsmasq is that it uses /etc/resolv.conf |
| 19:58.29 | Epicenter | 4 times now |
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| 19:58.46 | catalyst4000 | hello |
| 19:58.51 | valdyn | Nwallins: umm |
| 19:58.55 | Nwallins | valdyn: yes, and i want to set resolv.conf to use dnsmasq (eg 127.0.0.1) |
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| 19:59.10 | catalyst4000 | I'm considering switching from Fedora Core 3 to Debian, any recommendations? |
| 19:59.12 | raf256 | how can I tar all files from current dir (./) without file a.tar |
| 19:59.12 | Nwallins | but i have to specify the real upstream dns servers |
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| 19:59.23 | catalyst4000 | I'm either going with the testing or unstable version |
| 19:59.27 | Nwallins | using the 'server' option to dnsmasq |
| 20:00.07 | Nwallins | valdyn: make sense? |
| 20:00.15 | EdibleText | catalyst4000, testing, you can always 'upgrade' to unstable |
| 20:00.19 | valdyn | Nwallins: no |
| 20:00.28 | catalyst4000 | ah |
| 20:00.41 | EdibleText | catalyst4000, the reverse is not so easy |
| 20:00.46 | chealer | catalyst4000: testing, and find a reason why you'd use unstable |
| 20:00.46 | catalyst4000 | is the current testing distro running kernel 2.6.9? or is it still 2.4? |
| 20:00.47 | valdyn | Nwallins: use a real dns server then, not dnsmasq |
| 20:00.57 | Nwallins | valdyn: it does everything i want |
| 20:01.00 | chealer | catalyst4000: better consider the reverse impossible |
| 20:01.07 | valdyn | Nwallins: obviously not |
| 20:01.13 | Nwallins | valdyn: huh? |
| 20:01.21 | chealer | catalyst4000: 2.4.27, 2.6.8 optionally |
| 20:01.25 | EdibleText | chealer, the impossible is unknown. |
| 20:01.32 | EdibleText | er at zombo.com |
| 20:01.37 | Nwallins | i am trying to manage the startup behavior, that's my question.. about the init.d script |
| 20:01.41 | emiraga | where i can find official configuration for 2.6 kernels? |
| 20:02.02 | valdyn | Nwallins: edit /etc/dnsmasq.conf, change the line starting #resolv-file= |
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| 20:02.14 | Nwallins | valdyn: ah, that is much nicer. thanks |
| 20:02.16 | catalyst4000 | alright guys, thanks, I'll be working on my switch this weekend |
| 20:03.13 | Epicenter | I am convinced an FTP daemon is still running and stopping me from starting another even though I removed the packages for the other FTP daemons. I did netstat -l and see none yet when I start VSFTPD I get a message it could not bind to the ipv4 socket. |
| 20:03.16 | Epicenter | What gives? |
| 20:03.40 | Delph | Epicenter: you're running as a normal user, trying to bind to a priviledged <1024 port |
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| 20:03.52 | bunnies | Delph: he can't. he's running ubuntu. |
| 20:03.52 | *** mode/#debian [+b *!*@pcp09723961pcs.union01.nj.comcast.net] by dondelelcaro |
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| 20:04.21 | valdyn | Epicenter: ps aux | grep ftp |
| 20:04.30 | bunnies | Epicenter: this is why you should not ask for ubuntu support in here. |
| 20:04.38 | Delph | Epicenter: ubuntu is not a server distro. Go to #ubuntu and talk to them. |
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| 20:04.51 | Epicenter | I wish my friend hadn't INSTALLED ubuntu on here |
| 20:04.55 | Epicenter | I told him to use Debian |
| 20:05.07 | ignatz | well its not a distro problem |
| 20:05.18 | ignatz | you have some other tool running on port 21 |
| 20:05.19 | bunnies | ignatz: it is |
| 20:05.20 | Epicenter | root 7134 0.0 0.1 3032 716 pts/0 S+ 16:05 0:00 grep ftp |
| 20:05.22 | ignatz | or using wrong user |
| 20:05.35 | emiraga | where i can find official debian configuration for 2.6 kernels? |
| 20:05.41 | Delph | Epicenter: join #ubuntu |
| 20:05.43 | Delph | Epicenter: ask there. |
| 20:05.50 | Quickimaster | where should i install zip? in which directory? |
| 20:05.53 | ignatz | emirage the kernel config should match your system |
| 20:05.53 | valdyn | Epicenter: likely none running, guess all ftp daemons do contain ftp in their name |
| 20:06.06 | Nwallins | Quickimaster: are you using apt? |
| 20:06.13 | Quickimaster | no |
| 20:06.20 | valdyn | Quickimaster: run "apt-get install zip" |
| 20:06.28 | Quickimaster | thanks |
| 20:07.32 | chealer | Quickimaster: welcome to debian :) |
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| 20:08.05 | Nwallins | my delete key gives a ~ in bash shell, no function in emacs. (when i'm sitting at an os x box) how can i fix this? |
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| 20:08.42 | Nwallins | i guess it's an os x issue.. |
| 20:09.05 | bbrazil | Nwallins: ah, stty -a is a starting point for you, echo $TERM is another |
| 20:09.22 | Nwallins | TERM=xterm-color |
| 20:09.25 | kevin06 | I am having problems again... My system hangs on the splash screen, and I get past it using KDE or Gnome, in either regular mode or failsafe... |
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| 20:10.26 | Nwallins | bbrazil: should i be looking at a change to the terminal or the server? |
| 20:10.33 | Nwallins | ie debian or os x? |
| 20:11.11 | Quickimaster | thanks for the apt-get idea, i didn't remember |
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| 20:11.19 | furrywolf | argh! isn't linux supposed to Just Work (TM)? This DVD thing is starting to piss me off! |
| 20:11.29 | furrywolf | I can burn them, just not read them. |
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| 20:11.49 | Nwallins | furrywolf: just work? whatever gave you that idea? |
| 20:11.55 | grigora | hi, after I have drilled down several levels on aptitude, is there a "back" command that will take me back the same path? thanks |
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| 20:12.13 | Epicenter | Ugh, I'll just tell him to install Woody on here. This is ridiculous |
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| 20:12.25 | Nwallins | Epicenter: go with sarge |
| 20:12.31 | EdibleText | Epicenter, consider sarge |
| 20:12.35 | Nwallins | vaya con sargos |
| 20:12.53 | furrywolf | since the drive works perfectly on my relative's windoze box (and I can, in fact, read the dvds I burnt under linux), I don't think it's the drive... but how could a bug as bad as "unable to read dvds with any 2.6 kernel" get to 2.6.12 without being fixed? |
| 20:13.00 | tarzeau | furrywolf: do you have a license to play a css'd dvd? |
| 20:13.14 | kevin06 | Computer hangs on the splash screen, can someone help? |
| 20:13.16 | furrywolf | tarz: I'm not trying to play movies. |
| 20:13.17 | tarzeau | furrywolf: oh wait you don't want to watch a film |
| 20:13.29 | bunnies | splash screen? |
| 20:13.31 | Epicenter | EdibleText: I keep hearing Sarge is terminally 'unreleased' so how the hell is it downloadable? :P |
| 20:13.32 | kevin06 | Yup. |
| 20:13.35 | bbrazil | Nwallins: make sure your TERM is set to the correct value for OS X, I've yet to solve this problem myself |
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| 20:13.49 | bunnies | kevin06: are you running windows or something? |
| 20:13.50 | EdibleText | !d-i |
| 20:13.50 | dpkg | extra, extra, read all about it, d-i is the new installer for sarge (debian 3.1), at http://www.debian.org/devel/debian-installer/ or see debian-boot@lists.debian.org, but don't pester the d-i devs with unrelated questions, or see <debian-installer> |
| 20:13.52 | Nwallins | bbrazil: darn.. is xterm-color a bad value? |
| 20:14.14 | bbrazil | Nwallins: works fine for a color xterm or putty, byeond that its down to luck |
| 20:14.15 | furrywolf | tarz: attempting to read a file off a dvd, under 2.6.8.1 instantly oopses, under 2.6.10 panics, under 2.6.11.7 pegs the cpu at 100% until I hit reset, and under 2.6.12-rc3 gives ide_intr errors and kills the box until I hit reset. |
| 20:14.35 | furrywolf | attempting to use ide-scsi results in instant panic |
| 20:14.43 | Nwallins | Epicenter: all of debian is 'released', by that terminology.. it's free software |
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| 20:14.48 | bunnies | kevin06: DO NOT MSG ME |
| 20:14.51 | bbrazil | Nwallins: you'll have to find out whats different between debian's definition of xterm-color and OS X's |
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| 20:15.01 | furrywolf | tried both burnt dvds and a store-bought dvd with no change |
| 20:15.02 | Epicenter | so why do people keep screaming RELEASE SARGE!! RELEASE SARGE!! ? |
| 20:15.11 | kevin06 | bunnies: Sorry. |
| 20:15.13 | furrywolf | tried on two different computers and three different ide controllers |
| 20:15.21 | Nwallins | well, my terminal window is actually monochrome.. hmm |
| 20:15.35 | chealer | Epicenter: because it needs to be stable |
| 20:15.37 | Nwallins | afaict |
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| 20:15.55 | dondelelcaro | Epicenter: most poeple who scream that have little idea of how much work it takes to make a Debian release or even what actually needs to be done. |
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| 20:16.20 | bbrazil | Nwallins: monochrome shouldn't be an issue, how about stty -a on OS X (if it exists)? |
| 20:17.04 | furrywolf | dondel: you mean a debian release isn't like a redhat release? you don't just throw a bunch of random, incompatible versions on a cd and ship it out? :P |
| 20:17.04 | Epicenter | dondelelcaro: I thought there was no such thing as a 'release'. :P |
| 20:17.10 | dondelelcaro | Epicenter: you haven't been around here long, have you? ;-) |
| 20:17.19 | Epicenter | I've been using Debian for going on 6 years |
| 20:17.24 | Nwallins | bbrazil: /j #paste |
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| 20:17.32 | Epicenter | I don't keep up with the community because there are too many rude elitists :P |
| 20:17.54 | Epicenter | I usually just get a netinst disc, pick some repositories and run with what I get. |
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| 20:19.07 | tarzeau | Epicenter: there's alot of handsome elitists too |
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| 20:19.21 | paulswm | FSV handsome |
| 20:19.26 | EdibleText | Epicenter, /m dpkg d-i |
| 20:19.41 | axelx | hello. i need to start an app from SSH that uses X session. But I cannot establish X forwarded connection because my internet is too slow. What can i do? |
| 20:19.52 | tarzeau | axelx: use -C |
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| 20:20.06 | axelx | tarzeau compression? |
| 20:20.10 | tarzeau | Epicenter: actually if you deploy debian on large scale, you want stable |
| 20:20.25 | tarzeau | Epicenter: and no, you don't want software > 2 years old (free software, the way we have it) |
| 20:20.32 | tarzeau | axelx: ya |
| 20:20.33 | Epicenter | It's one small server, that's not really the issue. Whichever will have the most recent and usable apache SSH and FTP daemons is ideal. |
| 20:20.47 | tarzeau | Epicenter: for that *i* would use sid |
| 20:20.57 | Epicenter | Last I checked Sid is still very broken |
| 20:21.04 | caphuso | it always is |
| 20:21.04 | tarzeau | it was? what exactly of it? |
| 20:21.09 | Epicenter | everything .. |
| 20:21.12 | Epicenter | like failing to install |
| 20:21.14 | tarzeau | Epicenter: bullshit |
| 20:21.19 | Epicenter | then most of the package dependencies being screwed |
| 20:21.20 | tarzeau | i never had troubles installing sid |
| 20:21.22 | Epicenter | I have. |
| 20:21.25 | Epicenter | Three times. |
| 20:21.25 | tarzeau | Epicenter: most? BULLSHIT |
| 20:21.32 | tarzeau | Epicenter: you mean "gnome" and "kde". that's only two |
| 20:21.33 | Epicenter | Almost all the ones I tried. |
| 20:21.38 | Epicenter | uh, no. |
| 20:21.43 | Epicenter | That's being awfully presumptuous. |
| 20:21.44 | tarzeau | Epicenter: well you tried the wrong ones then |
| 20:21.49 | paulswm | Hey, I hardly even ask a question, so here goes: I want to script an ssh session, actually a backup to a different machine, in order to do that I need to use ssh-agent to deal with the logon password, is that correct? |
| 20:21.54 | axelx | tarzeau i couldn't start the app at all. the thing is - i don't want to see those windows... it should only listen to port |
| 20:22.00 | Epicenter | if you have to pick the 'right' and 'wrong' packages to install, the distro is still partly broken. |
| 20:22.02 | Epicenter | In my book. |
| 20:22.07 | caphuso | tarzeau: uh, for example the package that could run "rm -r /" was a linuxgazette package, not a gnome or kde one |
| 20:22.09 | Nwallins | paulswm: check out the keychain package as well |
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| 20:22.20 | paulswm | Nwallins: thanks, I will |
| 20:22.23 | Epicenter | are there any glaring security holes in the versions of apache, ftp daemons and ssh daemons in Sarge? |
| 20:22.28 | Nwallins | paulswm: ssh-agent helps with keys, not passwords |
| 20:22.32 | Nwallins | afaik |
| 20:22.42 | tarzeau | caphuso: braindead to package linuxgazette packages imho |
| 20:22.50 | luulis | paulswm: you could use passphraseless keys, i never got keys with passphrases working with cron |
| 20:22.58 | caphuso | !testing security issues |
| 20:22.58 | dpkg | testing security issues is probably http://merkel.debian.org/~joeyh/testing-security.html |
| 20:23.03 | Nwallins | luulis: that's what ssh-agent and keychain are for |
| 20:23.09 | tarzeau | Epicenter: not the distro, but part of the packages |
| 20:23.19 | Nwallins | luulis, paulswm don't use empty passphrases |
| 20:23.25 | luulis | Nwallins: keychain didnt work for it |
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| 20:23.41 | Epicenter | are there any glaring security holes in the versions of apache, ftp daemons and ssh daemons in Sarge? |
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| 20:23.46 | Epicenter | if not, I'll just that. |
| 20:23.47 | Epicenter | just use htat |
| 20:23.48 | Epicenter | that |
| 20:23.49 | Epicenter | christ |
| 20:23.52 | luulis | Nwallins: i only use a passphraseless key for a backup script |
| 20:23.54 | tarzeau | Epicenter: which ftp daemons? |
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| 20:24.00 | tarzeau | Epicenter: and which ssh daemon? |
| 20:24.06 | Epicenter | tarzeau: Which is most recommendable? |
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| 20:24.10 | Epicenter | I'm not partial to any of them really. |
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| 20:24.14 | caphuso | heh, mkdir is broken in sarge |
| 20:24.14 | paulswm | Nwallins: OK, but I'm glad that you get what I'm trying to do: something like "foo | gzip -c | ssh host 'cat >foo.gz' |
| 20:24.21 | Nwallins | luulis: well, the only real downside is that your key is stored in plaintext on your hd... if you're not worried about the risk |
| 20:24.24 | chealer | caphuso: ugh |
| 20:24.25 | greycat | *how* does one break mkdir? |
| 20:24.32 | tarzeau | o-o: you @sgi.com? working porting linux to mips? |
| 20:24.35 | bbrazil | Nwallins: I don't really know about these thing, just giving out random ideas |
| 20:24.42 | caphuso | sudo too |
| 20:25.01 | Nwallins | bbrazil: cool. stty -a worked, but i don't really grok the output |
| 20:25.24 | chealer | caphuso: wow, do we have a topicmaker? |
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| 20:25.34 | bbrazil | Nwallins: try the manpage, or just compare debian/os X outputs |
| 20:25.58 | Nwallins | bbrazil: yeah, they're different |
| 20:26.20 | bbrazil | Nwallins: which parts? |
| 20:26.36 | Nwallins | paulswm: yes, the ability to script ssh connections is a very useful thing |
| 20:26.39 | axelx | what is stty? |
| 20:26.43 | chealer | caphuso: how is mkdir broken though? |
| 20:26.44 | paulswm | caphuso: sudo and mkdir? seriously? I did a dist upgrade yesterday I think and they work at the moment |
| 20:26.44 | EdibleText | greycat, perhaps dynamically linked to something broke.. |
| 20:26.51 | caphuso | paulswm: http://merkel.debian.org/~joeyh/testing-security.html |
| 20:26.52 | chealer | axelx: a shell command |
| 20:26.55 | caphuso | chealer: ^^ |
| 20:27.00 | simonrvn | meh. i HATE crashes |
| 20:27.19 | tarzeau | chealer: why not just "a command"? |
| 20:27.30 | tarzeau | chealer: i mean saying a command is a shell command is hilarious |
| 20:28.06 | chealer | tarzeau: ok... |
| 20:28.15 | caphuso | tarzeau: as is claiming that sid wouldn't be broken... |
| 20:28.26 | paulswm | I see sudo but not mkdir |
| 20:28.26 | chealer | caphuso: I see, so you mean people should "disable" it? |
| 20:29.05 | caphuso | chealer: disable mkdir? i don't think that would be a good idea... |
| 20:29.15 | paulswm | caphuso: sorry to make you repeat your link, thanks for so doing, though |
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| 20:29.56 | hrishi | hi, i am facing a problem in analysing a syslog message, could some one help me, the message is posted at http://www.syslog.org/PNphpBB2-viewtopic-t146-.phtml |
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| 20:30.26 | hrishi | i am sorry, the message was long, couldn't incorporate over here |
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| 20:31.53 | Danar | can someone help me configure iptables to allow ftp? it's not working right |
| 20:32.01 | axelx | chealer ;) |
| 20:32.03 | caphuso | paulswm: mkdir is part of the coreutils package |
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| 20:32.55 | Nwallins | bbrazil: totally different format after the first line. debian uses = for settings, os x uses : |
| 20:33.10 | paulswm | caphuso: just poke me in the eye the next time I ask you a dumb question, OK |
| 20:33.26 | bbrazil | Nwallins: format isn't important, its the data that matters |
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| 20:33.37 | caphuso | paulswm: poking in eyes is messy business |
| 20:33.58 | paulswm | caphuso: Not over IP, heh |
| 20:34.07 | caphuso | i did it once, i really don't need to do it again |
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| 20:34.57 | bbrazil | Nwallins: try stty -g on OS X and doing stty <past outut here> on debian |
| 20:34.59 | bbrazil | +e |
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| 20:35.53 | Nwallins | os x stty -g: gfmt1:cflag=4b00:iflag=2b02:lflag=200005cb:oflag=3:discard=f:dsusp=19:eof=4:eol=ff:eol2=ff:erase=7f:intr=3:kill=15:lnext=16:min=1:quit=1c:reprint=12:start=11:status=ff:stop=13:susp=1a:time=0:werase=17:ispeed=9600:ospeed=9600 |
| 20:35.54 | chealer | caphuso: so what do you mean exactly that mkdir is broken? |
| 20:36.11 | hrishi | ah, i got the solution, seems quite easy |
| 20:36.38 | bbrazil | Nwallins: hmm, that input isn't accepted by debian stty |
| 20:36.41 | Nwallins | deb stty: speed 9600 baud; line = 0; |
| 20:36.42 | Nwallins | eol = M-^?; eol2 = M-^?; |
| 20:36.44 | Nwallins | -brkint ixany |
| 20:36.45 | deadcat | seems like vga+ibook|pb works well with xorg, no need to reboot. just restart x |
| 20:36.45 | Nwallins | -echok |
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| 20:37.15 | Nwallins | bbrazil: oh, i misunderstood what you were saying 'paste ouput here' |
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| 20:37.19 | Nwallins | heh |
| 20:37.25 | dwu | wtf wtf wtf, mkdir is broken? |
| 20:37.42 | deadcat | dwu: use perl or php to create a dir |
| 20:37.49 | Nwallins | ouch |
| 20:37.49 | dwu | deadcat i hate php |
| 20:37.52 | deadcat | hehe |
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| 20:38.48 | chealer | deadcat: you are the workarounds master |
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| 20:39.10 | Dede_Siqueira | hello.. |
| 20:39.15 | deadcat | chealer: (=. php -r 'mkdir("/tmp/hello.d", 0700);' |
| 20:39.20 | Dede_Siqueira | alguem do brasil aqui? |
| 20:39.25 | bbrazil | !br |
| 20:39.26 | dpkg | Por favor use #debian-br (/j #debian-br) para ajuda em portugues. |
| 20:39.34 | Nwallins | deadcat: damn, ya beat me |
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| 20:39.40 | deadcat | gigi |
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| 20:39.54 | deadcat | Nwallins: i forgot how to do it in perl though |
| 20:39.58 | bbrazil | for a slightly more pernamnt solution, try busybox |
| 20:40.12 | Nwallins | i just wanted the title of workarounds master |
| 20:40.19 | bbrazil | perl -e 'mkdir("test")' |
| 20:40.23 | deadcat | oh same shit hehe |
| 20:40.42 | deadcat | Nwallins: HAHAHHA |
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| 20:42.03 | caphuso | chealer: did you check the page i pointed you to? did you follow the link to the BTS after the coreutils package? did you read the CAN advisory right beside the link to the BTS? |
| 20:42.30 | chealer | caphuso: yeah I read it but they tag it normal or minor |
| 20:42.45 | caphuso | chealer: yes |
| 20:42.55 | paulswm | Nwallins: I'm thinking that the easier way is to NFS mount the receiving directory, kind of simpler from the point of view of error trapping, too |
| 20:42.55 | chealer | it's just a security problem anyway, isn't it |
| 20:43.03 | dwu | deadcat perl -e 'mkdir("/tmp/hello.d", 0700")' |
| 20:43.04 | FieldySnuts | @lart busybox |
| 20:43.20 | Nwallins | paulswm: from a security standpoint, keychain + ssh agent owns NFS |
| 20:43.21 | deadcat | dwu: ya. tried that.. seems perm is a must? |
| 20:43.32 | caphuso | chealer: really? aaah, that's why the page is called "testing security issues"! |
| 20:43.42 | dwu | deadcat no, it defaults to 0777 |
| 20:43.47 | deadcat | oh hehe |
| 20:43.48 | Nwallins | paulswm: setting up keychain + ssh-agent, once it's done, is just plain handy anyway |
| 20:43.50 | dwu | deadcat perldoc -f mkdir |
| 20:43.58 | deadcat | dont have perldoc |
| 20:43.58 | chealer | caphuso: isn't this problem affecting woody too? |
| 20:44.05 | caphuso | chealer: i don't know |
| 20:44.06 | dwu | deadcat well you should :P |
| 20:44.10 | deadcat | hahaha |
| 20:44.24 | caphuso | it affects sid, that i do know |
| 20:44.29 | deadcat | havent used much perl in a while since learned php |
| 20:44.31 | Nwallins | paulswm: i wrote a tutorial that goes through step-by-step.. it's on a password protected page right now, but i can publify it |
| 20:44.44 | FieldySnuts | ravenbird: start a language war |
| 20:44.45 | ravenbird | Logo is cleaner than Lua |
| 20:45.02 | FieldySnuts | wonder if it has any languages we've ever heard of |
| 20:45.04 | chealer | caphuso: yes...for stable security issues does joey open bugs in the BTS or does the process happen more privately? |
| 20:45.21 | paulswm | Nwallins: Yes, but these boxes are used only by me on my home network behind a firewall, so I am less concerned than I might otherwise be re. security |
| 20:45.25 | dondelelcaro | chealer: depends on the bug |
| 20:45.26 | caphuso | chealer: joey doesn't open bugs, generally speaking |
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| 20:45.49 | deadcat | dondelelcaro: seems like vga+ibook|pb works well with xorg, no need to reboot. just restart x |
| 20:45.55 | dondelelcaro | chealer: if the bug has been announced, the security team (or the maintainer or other people) files a bug and tags it appropriately |
| 20:45.59 | dondelelcaro | deadcat: nice |
| 20:46.07 | dwu | deadcat oh god, php is a nightmare |
| 20:46.08 | deadcat | dondelelcaro: i emailed this guy whos using it on his gentoo |
| 20:46.13 | Nwallins | paulswm: don't look at is an either/or do both, if you want. there's no reason not to do keychain + ssh-agent, esp. w/ my handy-dandy tut |
| 20:46.14 | paulswm | Nwallins: But I would be interested in your tutorial should you ever make it public |
| 20:46.21 | chealer | caphuso: I've seen lots of bugs from joey hess |
| 20:46.22 | dwu | deadcat just *one* problem, lack of lexical scope |
| 20:46.27 | deadcat | dwu: its ok. easier to read. heheh. |
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| 20:46.36 | caphuso | chealer: yes, but that's specifically speaking |
| 20:46.46 | dondelelcaro | dwu: that's just one of many issues... |
| 20:46.53 | deadcat | dwu: i dont kow what lexical scope so i am cool (=. i only do basic scripts and webpage. |
| 20:46.54 | chealer | dondelelcaro: ok, so it could be affecting woody too. I don't see any sign that it's not affecting woody at least |
| 20:47.08 | Nwallins | paulswm: publishing.. |
| 20:47.12 | dondelelcaro | chealer: well, typically if it is actually affecting woody, the bug will be tagged woody... |
| 20:47.17 | dwu | dondelelcaro thats enough to keep me away. i wonder why people still bother coding with php |
| 20:47.18 | caphuso | is it only me or has php way too many operators doing almost the same, but not quite? |
| 20:47.23 | chealer | caphuso: heh ok |
| 20:47.36 | dondelelcaro | dwu: it's like crack. It's easy to get started |
| 20:47.37 | deadcat | caphuso: not just you. |
| 20:47.46 | deadcat | dondelelcaro: HAHAHAH |
| 20:47.47 | chealer | dondelelcaro: ok. |
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| 20:48.13 | dwu | dondelelcaro yes i agree. what a piece of shit. i cant believe they did mediawiki in php. hacking it has been pain |
| 20:48.16 | chealer | what happens for stable bugs in the BTS. it's just not worth reporting them, right? |
| 20:48.24 | dondelelcaro | chealer: they're just tagged woody |
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| 20:48.35 | douglas | Is there a command that will return the IP address only with no extra stuff, or perhaps a line that will filter it out of ifconfig? |
| 20:48.36 | dondelelcaro | chealer: if they're severity < serious, they're often just summarily closed. |
| 20:48.43 | dondelelcaro | !my address |
| 20:48.46 | caphuso | douglas: /msg dpkg myip |
| 20:48.46 | chealer | dondelelcaro: thanks a lot |
| 20:48.51 | dondelelcaro | damnit |
| 20:48.57 | FieldySnuts | @fuck openoffice for not showing dotfiles / dotdirs |
| 20:48.58 | dondelelcaro | dpkg: my address is <reply> see myip |
| 20:48.58 | dpkg | okay, dondelelcaro |
| 20:48.59 | paulswm | "It *always* breaks this way" |
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| 20:49.04 | deadcat | douglas: man awk |
| 20:49.15 | douglas | thanks,I'll look into it. |
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| 20:49.38 | dondelelcaro | chealer: but yeah, unless it's a security bug, or something serious, there's usually little point unless the bug also exists in sid and testing. |
| 20:50.06 | FieldySnuts | oh wait openoffice 2.0 betas have autocomplete in text boxes. finally |
| 20:50.35 | chealer | caphuso: anyway, as far as I can see "mkdir is broken" is alarmist regarding the actual mkdir issue if you consider the amout of other security bugs in sarge |
| 20:51.07 | chealer | dondelelcaro: thanks, I always wondered, even if that's what the BTS seems to say |
| 20:51.12 | paulswm | I thought that mkdir is brken meant that mkdir wouldn't mk dirs |
| 20:51.21 | caphuso | !assume |
| 20:51.22 | dpkg | somebody said assume was the mother of all mistakes and (ASS - U - ME): makes an ass of you and makes an ass of me |
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| 20:51.57 | Nwallins | paulswm: the page was originally on a wiki, so the formatting isn't perfect, but it's totally readable: http://borat.gotdns.org/keychain.html |
| 20:52.16 | paulswm | Nwallins: Thanks, reading it now |
| 20:52.36 | dondelelcaro | chealer: yeah, in most cases the BTS documentation is right... sometimes it's just not very complete. |
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| 20:53.08 | chealer | dondelelcaro: I thought about sticking to stable sarge, but if I can't report bugs, no way ;) |
| 20:53.16 | deadcat | dondelelcaro: this might help you sleep: http://www.aronchi.org/LinuxOnIBookG4 |
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| 20:54.38 | ludi | In KDE on Debian Sarge: A) How do I change the system font size? It is too small. B) How do I make konqueror open my home page every time a new tab is loaded C) What is the default KDE music player? (the KDE equivalent of rhythmbox for gnome). |
| 20:54.56 | o-o | tarzeau: no doing kernel improvements for scalability |
| 20:55.02 | deadcat | ludi: click click click. you're on your own |
| 20:55.20 | deadcat | ludi: s/click/klick/g |
| 20:55.31 | paulswm | Nwallins: Thanks, I knew about each thing, but having it strung together like that is more than helpful, saves a bit of head scratching |
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| 20:55.59 | Nwallins | paulswm: yeah, i did plenty of headscratching to get there |
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| 20:56.06 | dondelelcaro | chealer: well, you can always report bugs... it's just a question of whether or not they're actually present in sid that's the real issue |
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| 20:56.49 | kevin06 | Can someone help me out? After I log in, when the splash screen loads, my system hangs. |
| 20:57.10 | deadcat | kevin06: what splash screen? |
| 20:57.48 | paulswm | Nwallins: Glad to hear you scratched your head; I've been in this business for many years now, but I still come across situations where it takes me an effort to get the visualization straight, although when the penny drops everything seems so simple and I don't understand how I didn't immediately get it in the first place |
| 20:58.01 | kevin06 | deadcat: The screen right after the login, where it says "Initializing system services" and stuff. |
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| 20:58.22 | deadcat | kevin06: WHAT LOGIN? |
| 20:58.31 | Nwallins | paulswm: yeah, there is so much documentation regarding ssh, but none of it is normative (ie what you ought to do) |
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| 21:01.10 | kevin06 | deadcat: Forgive me if I don't know how to explain this, I am a pretty new user. When I power on my system, I get a bunch of text as usually, then it starts the graphical greeter. That is the login I am refering to. |
| 21:01.37 | peritus | when i boot my laptop, will hotplug bring up my network interface, or will them be brought up by /etc/init.d/networking ? |
| 21:02.13 | deadcat | peritus: is it not bringing up? |
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| 21:02.47 | peritus | deadcat: well, the problem is, its not bringing up my virtual interface, with my secondary IP |
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| 21:02.54 | Gozar | Hi. Is it somehow possebill to suspend/resume a process? I mean suspend the process's ram usage to a file, reboot. then resume the process? |
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| 21:03.26 | deadcat | Gozar: doubt it |
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| 21:03.42 | kingsley | How does one temporarily disable an ext3 file system's journal? |
| 21:03.50 | deadcat | peritus: secondary meaning eth0:1 ? |
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| 21:03.56 | peritus | deadcat: yes |
| 21:04.02 | roler | is there a nice debian wireless connection manager program so I can select who to connect to? |
| 21:04.14 | deadcat | peritus: put in /etc/network/interfaces as eth0:1 and same format as eth0 |
| 21:04.21 | peritus | and that makes some services dont start, and that means more problems |
| 21:04.26 | Overand | ok |
| 21:04.29 | deadcat | roler: apt-cache search wireless network |
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| 21:04.31 | Overand | i feel like an idiot |
| 21:04.34 | Overand | what's scp's syntax? |
| 21:04.38 | servus2 | how do i close connections, which are in state "ESTABLISHED" in # netstat -anp ? |
| 21:04.43 | Overand | the manpage is of course wonderfully helpful |
| 21:04.44 | peritus | deadcat: should i name it eth0:0 or eth0:1? |
| 21:04.48 | chr1s | is there a way how you can see which process is keeping a mount busy? |
| 21:04.49 | deadcat | Overand: scp -r hello.file user@remote:~ |
| 21:04.57 | Overand | deadcat: thanks |
| 21:04.59 | deadcat | chr1s: fuser -v or lsof |
| 21:05.06 | chr1s | thanks |
| 21:05.10 | peritus | deadcat: exactly the same, except the IP, is that the trick? |
| 21:05.18 | deadcat | servus2: kill |
| 21:05.49 | deadcat | peritus: everything the same execpt the ip and instead of eth0. change all to eth0:1 |
| 21:05.52 | Overand | oh nice. i started cpying and my step-brother instantly whined about his xbox live lag |
| 21:05.55 | Overand | hah |
| 21:05.58 | Overand | oh well |
| 21:06.02 | deadcat | Overand: HAHAHAH |
| 21:06.04 | deadcat | bastard |
| 21:06.09 | mh_le | how do I set all+read to every file in a folder, including the folder itself.. |
| 21:06.10 | Overand | nah |
| 21:06.13 | Overand | i canceled the transfer |
| 21:06.15 | peritus | deadcat: thanks, ill try this out |
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| 21:06.22 | deadcat | mh_le: chmod -R |
| 21:06.24 | Overand | i dunno why i've never used scp, i've always used sftp |
| 21:06.44 | deadcat | Overand: rsync with ssh is better. scp dont resume |
| 21:06.45 | mh_le | deadcat: chmod -R a+r folder ? |
| 21:06.52 | deadcat | mh_le: let me konw |
| 21:07.00 | ludi | with which KDE application can I play streaming audio sources |
| 21:07.01 | servus2 | deadcat: kill just kills the process, but i want to kill the connection |
| 21:07.01 | ludi | ? |
| 21:07.05 | Overand | deadcat: sounds like a long line to type, heh |
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| 21:07.24 | deadcat | Overand: ya. hehe |
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| 21:07.48 | deadcat | servus2: if you kill the proc, wouldnt that kill the connection as well? |
| 21:07.59 | mh_le | deadcat: I can't figure out the order of the arguments.. |
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| 21:08.17 | mntnpngn | anyone tried gcc 4.0 yet? |
| 21:08.29 | deadcat | mh_le: try it and find out |
| 21:08.37 | deadcat | mntnpngn: cafuego did |
| 21:08.48 | pyr3 | Is there any reason why launching nautilus from Xfce4 doesn't use any of the icons that it does in GNOME? |
| 21:08.50 | caphuso | mntnpngn: given in what bad state gcc 3.0 was, i decided to wait until at least 4.1 |
| 21:09.03 | mh_le | deadcat: I did, it doeesn't work. nother does the other combinations I've tried |
| 21:09.13 | ludi | with which KDE application can I play streaming audio sources? |
| 21:09.20 | mntnpngn | caphuso: heh.. I can understand that... |
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| 21:09.40 | servus2 | deadcat: well, not if the process is running 5-10 times ;) e.g. an ircd - each user is an own connection, but always same process |
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| 21:09.43 | madclicker | ahoy |
| 21:10.01 | epotorr | hola |
| 21:10.02 | deadcat | mh_le: chmod -R a+r . didnt work? |
| 21:10.09 | deadcat | epotorr: hola |
| 21:10.12 | madclicker | <---needs win32codec for totem |
| 21:10.22 | myren | is there an experimental for eclipse 3.0 |
| 21:10.24 | deadcat | servus2: ah. |
| 21:10.28 | Overand | what does mc use for 'shell link' ? |
| 21:10.34 | myren | i downloaded the stupiud thing and it cant find startup.jar |
| 21:10.44 | epotorr | alguien de españa con knoppix? |
| 21:10.48 | myren | i tried including eclipse path in my JAVA_HOME, no dice |
| 21:10.55 | deadcat | epotorr: #knoppix |
| 21:10.59 | mh_le | deadcat: it's still drwxr-xr-x 17 mads users 1304 Apr 20 21:21 ogg |
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| 21:11.15 | deadcat | mh_le: ya. r r r.. |
| 21:11.15 | epotorr | gracias deadcat |
| 21:11.20 | deadcat | epotorr: si |
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| 21:11.41 | mh_le | deadcat: I only see 2 r's... |
| 21:11.57 | deadcat | mh_le: you fucking blind? you pasted the output with 3 r's |
| 21:12.03 | mh_le | err wait you're right |
| 21:12.06 | mh_le | sorry |
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| 21:12.56 | roler | what is a good wireless network connection manager? |
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| 21:13.16 | deadcat | roler: apt-cache search roamd |
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| 21:15.14 | roler | thanks man |
| 21:15.22 | drac | madclicker: found your w32codecs yet? /msg dpkg marillat |
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| 21:16.35 | madclicker | drac: roger |
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| 21:17.35 | DebianTestr | does anyone know what mailformat sendmail uses by default on redhat? |
| 21:17.51 | DebianTestr | Im trying to use mbox2maildir and it says the file is not a mailbox.. |
| 21:18.12 | caphuso | DebianTestr: #redhat |
| 21:18.17 | caphuso | or maybe ##redhat |
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| 21:18.34 | Delph | DebianTestr: less the first few lines... if it looks like http://bugs.debian.org/cgi-bin/bugreport.cgi?bug=305849&mbox=yes it's a mbox. |
| 21:18.49 | Delph | if it's not that then i don't know what it is. |
| 21:19.12 | deadcat | DebianTestr: down the hall, just make a left bro. |
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| 21:21.44 | scorphus | should I use various partitions for some directories such as /var, /tmp/, /usr and /boot to setup my personal *desktop*? |
| 21:22.01 | deadcat | scorphus: ya |
| 21:22.15 | peritus | deadcat: eth0:1 was not brought up, and the mysql server was not started |
| 21:22.24 | drac | scorphus: no, of course not. maybe /boot if you have troubles. and maybe separate /home. but forget splitting the rest. |
| 21:22.43 | JeffWilson12 | I am damn confused right now. If I install the apache-perl package, then install apache-ssl, there are TWO initscripts. Should I remove apache-perl first or what? |
| 21:22.45 | deadcat | peritus: paste the interfaces section to #flood |
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| 21:23.04 | caphuso | JeffWilson12: remove both, install apache and the mod_ssl and mod_perl packages |
| 21:23.07 | Ecnassianer | How do I create a root account with a name other than root? |
| 21:23.08 | scorphus | drac: right, thx |
| 21:23.16 | Ecnassianer | Or make a user account have root powers. |
| 21:23.29 | JeffWilson12 | caphuso: oh, okay. |
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| 21:23.42 | caphuso | Ecnassianer: give the user the root password and teach him how to use su |
| 21:23.48 | caphuso | Ecnassianer: or check out sudo |
| 21:23.53 | schlurchz | scorphus: use one partition and make regular backups. :-) |
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| 21:24.36 | deadcat | peritus: that dont work eh? |
| 21:25.08 | peritus | deadcat: no :( |
| 21:25.21 | scorphus | schlurchz: thx! I'm going for ext3, what do you think about it? |
| 21:25.21 | peritus | only eth0 and lo was brought up on boot |
| 21:25.30 | peritus | sarge with 2.6.11.7-grsec |
| 21:25.42 | madclicker | drac: how do i add marillat to the source.list? |
| 21:25.50 | schlurchz | scorphus: most tested fs. good, of course. |
| 21:25.50 | simonrvn | sources.list |
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| 21:27.13 | vitriol | i need to run dpkg-reconfigure on x anybody know what its called? |
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| 21:27.21 | einsteinmg | what could the source of this problem with firefox (wont start): Gdk-WARNING **: Error converting from UTF-8 to STRING: Conversion from character set 'UTF-8' to 'ISO-8859-1' is not supported |
| 21:27.23 | vitriol | i tried x-window-system that didn't work |
| 21:27.24 | madclicker | simonrvn: thx |
| 21:27.32 | drac | madclicker: nano /etc/apt/sources.list, example 'deb ftp://ftp.nerim.net/debian-marillat/ testing main' and apt-get update && apt-get install w32codecs |
| 21:27.34 | Ecnassianer | Thanks for the tip about sudo caphuso |
| 21:27.37 | Ecnassianer | that did it |
| 21:27.53 | madclicker | drac: i got it, wrong file :-) |
| 21:27.57 | drac | k |
| 21:27.57 | scorphus | schlurchz: some told me to use XFS, how much is it better/faster/more secure than ext3? |
| 21:28.07 | drac | !drxx vitriol |
| 21:28.08 | dpkg | vitriol: dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xfree86 (as root) |
| 21:28.12 | simonrvn | wrong comparision |
| 21:28.15 | vitriol | thanks! |
| 21:28.30 | schlurchz | scorphus: I'm not a fs expert. but XFS is likely more buggy than ext3. |
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| 21:28.49 | simonrvn | schlurchz: it is not |
| 21:28.53 | schlurchz | scorphus: cannot tell about speed and that, but XFS features some nice tools |
| 21:29.06 | drac | vitriol: it's named like that because it works like 'dpkg-reconfigure package-name-here' and the package name is xserver-xfree86, you can configure various things with dpkg-reconfigure. 8) |
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| 21:29.14 | schlurchz | simonrvn: oh well, it caused trouble on my ppc box |
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| 21:29.27 | deadcat | peritus: it works for me. |
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| 21:29.33 | simonrvn | schlurchz: been using it on ppc for 2+ years |
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| 21:29.40 | schlurchz | simonrvn: switched to ext3, now everythings fine. |
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| 21:29.42 | scorphus | simonrvn: would you use XFS in your desktop? |
| 21:29.55 | drac | scorphus: i would. |
| 21:30.01 | drac | and i am. |
| 21:30.04 | peritus | deadcat: with hotplug/pcmcia cards? |
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| 21:30.17 | peritus | hotplug might be the problem, dont you think? |
| 21:30.19 | deadcat | peritus: no. |
| 21:30.24 | deadcat | ya |
| 21:30.32 | deadcat | what card you using? |
| 21:30.35 | schlurchz | though I still dare using xfs for non-vital partitions. :-) |
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| 21:30.44 | simonrvn | scorphus: depends on what the partition is for, but i'd use either xfs or ext3, or jfs (ext2 when i need it) |
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| 21:31.05 | einsteinmg | schlurchz: it's DEFINITLY not, im currently recovering from an ext3 blackout... 900MB data loss |
| 21:31.12 | Gge | Hello : Just installed daily build of Sarge. The mouise is not setup correctly . How I can run a new setup of the mouse ? |
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| 21:31.15 | einsteinmg | and thats not the first time |
| 21:31.22 | chealer | !drxx Gge |
| 21:31.22 | peritus | deadcat: 3com something, i can look it up if you like |
| 21:31.23 | dpkg | Gge: dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xfree86 (as root) |
| 21:31.24 | drac | ..after ext3 and reiserfs3.6 lost my data, been using only jfs and xfs. |
| 21:31.26 | schlurchz | wasn't xfs considered broken with kernel 2.6.8? |
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| 21:31.39 | simonrvn | i'd stay away from reiser |
| 21:31.42 | simonrvn | no |
| 21:31.44 | deadcat | peritus: you dont need hotplug to do those cards. just put the module in /etc/modules |
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| 21:31.53 | Gge | dkpg : thx |
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| 21:32.21 | Gozar | If it have any intrest. software Suspend2 might be able to suspend a process. reboot and then resume the process. |
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| 21:32.42 | epotorr | hola |
| 21:32.49 | schlurchz | I darkly remember the d-i guys considered adding an erratea item wrt xfs+2.6.8. Not sure though |
| 21:32.53 | Gge | dkpg : What is the selection for a mouse connected to serial port ( Comx) ? |
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| 21:33.00 | peritus | deadcat: can i just remove the hotplug stuff in interfaces? |
| 21:33.03 | chealer | dpkg: what are you? |
| 21:33.03 | dpkg | I am a blootbot. For more info see <blootbot> |
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| 21:33.22 | deadcat | peritus: ya. i think you the only one use that. also the dns-nameserver line dont work. |
| 21:33.23 | goron | I want to show a list of installed packages. dpkg -l does what I want, but I only want the package name, not it's status, so I can feed this to another script so I can autoinstall a machine. I can't find the command (and writing a fullblown parser is bit overkill). |
| 21:33.44 | scorphus | thank you all for the help |
| 21:34.09 | peritus | deadcat: i didnt put that there. the debian-installer did.. i dont have any need for hotplug, im using it as server so.. |
| 21:34.36 | deadcat | peritus: oh. just remove the hotplug section then |
| 21:34.43 | peritus | deadcat: okey :) |
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| 21:35.04 | peritus | deadcat: reboots are pain in the ass :P |
| 21:35.11 | deadcat | peritus: hehe. |
| 21:35.31 | deadcat | peritus: can you just /etc/init.d/networking restart? |
| 21:35.35 | peritus | all the windows messed up in irssi, too bad :) |
| 21:35.36 | pwndebian | how does debian work? |
| 21:35.40 | peritus | deadcat: sure |
| 21:35.52 | deadcat | peritus: i personally just do init 1, then back to 2 to keep my laptop uptime heheh |
| 21:35.57 | paulswm | goron: man dpkg ( dpkg --get-selections >myselections to save, dpkg --set-selections <myselections to install) |
| 21:36.01 | deadcat | pwndebian: it doesnt |
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| 21:36.18 | peritus | deadcat: hum. |
| 21:36.28 | pwndebian | deadcat: why not? |
| 21:36.28 | peritus | # /etc/init.d/networking restart |
| 21:36.28 | peritus | Setting up IP spoofing protection: rp_filter. |
| 21:36.28 | peritus | Reconfiguring network interfaces...SIOCDELRT: No such process |
| 21:36.28 | peritus | ifup: interface lo already configured |
| 21:36.28 | peritus | done. |
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| 21:36.40 | paulswm | There's always one |
| 21:36.59 | deadcat | pwndebian: no why not, just dont work |
| 21:37.24 | pwndebian | i hear debian is awesome |
| 21:37.27 | pwndebian | is this true? |
| 21:37.32 | deadcat | no |
| 21:37.33 | hhstnoc | personal opinion... |
| 21:38.01 | pwndebian | so debian sucks what? |
| 21:38.04 | KinxofSepluv | What would that would of done, what Pertius said? |
| 21:38.05 | paulswm | I hate debian, I just use it becuase I've given up golf but I still need pain and frustration |
| 21:38.11 | paulswm | just kidding |
| 21:38.16 | deadcat | !ops kick pwndebian for trolling |
| 21:38.16 | schlurchz | pwndebian: LOL |
| 21:38.17 | dpkg | Hydroxide, bob2, caphuso, dondelelcaro, doogie, eeyore-, ElectricElf, greycat, helix, ljlane, LoRez, mentor, Netsnipe, TML, walters, xk: kick pwndebian for trolling |
| 21:38.18 | hhstnoc | paulswm: lol. |
| 21:38.40 | paulswm | !prize deadcat |
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| 21:39.11 | deadcat | paulswm: what do i win? "another beer" |
| 21:39.47 | paulswm | deadcat: Yeah, my theory is dpkg is maintained largely by Ausiies and is therefore biased towards beer :P |
| 21:39.53 | paulswm | Aussies |
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| 21:39.57 | deadcat | paulswm: hahah |
| 21:40.08 | whatisdebian | yea so...? |
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| 21:40.17 | Supaplex | how can I guess where the backup superblocks may be on ext2? partiton size is 2245792 blocks (512 byte sectors) |
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| 21:40.29 | deadcat | good call |
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| 21:40.42 | paulswm | It seems to be week of the trolls and bots here |
| 21:40.55 | caphuso | week, month, year... you name it |
| 21:40.57 | deadcat | but its not even sunday yet |
| 21:41.10 | streuner | its long till sunday ;-) |
| 21:41.12 | goron | paulswm: I don't understand the last command. It should remove install and uninstall on a line. I saw this command on more webpages, and man dpkg doesn't tell me much either. |
| 21:41.17 | paulswm | But this particular week, I mean, more than usual, or perhaps it's just my imagination |
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| 21:41.53 | paulswm | goron: The first command creates the list, the second command installs from the list, I've used it myself |
| 21:42.19 | paulswm | goron: Well the second command sets the selection state |
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| 21:42.27 | Xsquared | whats the path to Courier authdaemond on debian? (warning: SASL authentication failure: cannot connect to Courier authdaemond: No such file or directory) |
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| 21:42.59 | paulswm | goron: I assume that you could use apt-get install to do the installs, I think that's what I did, several years since I did it |
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| 21:43.18 | streuner | deadcat: where do you live, L.A.? |
| 21:43.23 | goron | paulswm: selection state? |
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| 21:43.42 | TuxMeister | hy people |
| 21:43.45 | paulswm | goron: man dpkg suggests dselect and install, but I think apt-get instll (should work |
| 21:44.02 | toukitsune | question. I am planning on haveing multiple servers and I realy am not planning on having them all running as boot from nic setup. I also don't want each computer to have to go to the net to apt-get packages. I want one server to hold a semi mirror. every server will use the same version of debian and what I want is if one computer retreaves a package that the one server will hold a copy of that package so the others can get it o |
| 21:44.07 | toukitsune | ff of local network. I was told to use apt-got but I don't see apt-got in the list |
| 21:44.14 | Xsquared | **apt-get |
| 21:44.14 | paulswm | goron: selection state means that the packages are marked as selected to be installed |
| 21:44.22 | goron | paulswm: Well, so the second command is for actually installing the stuff? |
| 21:44.31 | madclicker | is there a way to re-init gnome apps without logout/login? |
| 21:44.38 | TuxMeister | how do i limit bandwide to a host in a small network |
| 21:44.40 | toukitsune | no I was told "apt-got" for holding a mirror for apt-get |
| 21:45.07 | paulswm | The second command marks the packages for install, you need to use, say, 'apt-get install' to install the marked packages (you don't have to specify them to apt-get) |
| 21:45.09 | deadcat | TuxMeister: shaper maybe |
| 21:45.32 | goron | paulswm: Oh, they are stored in an Env variable. |
| 21:45.40 | goron | paulswm: Or file, or somethign. |
| 21:45.45 | goron | paulswm: That sure helps. |
| 21:45.57 | deadcat | madclicker: kill the app and start it again |
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| 21:46.16 | Xsquared | what is the courier authdaemon path? how can i find out? |
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| 21:46.23 | TuxMeister | deadcat, i was told that there's a package that could assign a percent of the bandwide to host in a network, but no sure that's true |
| 21:46.25 | chr1s | Hi everyone! |
| 21:46.26 | paulswm | goron: Don't remeber exacly where they are marked, somewhere in apt-s cache, but yes you get the idea |
| 21:46.30 | deadcat | Xsquared: dpkg -L courierpackagename |
| 21:46.45 | toukitsune | anyway anyone know of this apt-got and how to get it and if it is what I need to run a server just to make a debian mirror on local network |
| 21:46.49 | paulswm | goron: Pretty cool, huh |
| 21:46.52 | deadcat | TuxMeister: shaper, apt-cache search it. |
| 21:46.58 | chr1s | I couldn't get the sound to work in totem, so I've installed totem-gstreamer |
| 21:47.05 | chr1s | but now my video doesn't work anymore |
| 21:47.06 | deadcat | TuxMeister: i couldnt get it to work myself. |
| 21:47.08 | peritus_ | deadcat: i looked at the console when it booted. it was a lot of errors about eth0:1 |
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| 21:47.21 | TuxMeister | deadcat, thanks for the info |
| 21:47.25 | madclicker | deadcat: gnome-terminal: i added some extra profiles to .gconfd folder, but it will only take the settings wehn i logout from gnome |
| 21:47.31 | deadcat | peritus_: damn. dont know why its so fucked up |
| 21:47.51 | deadcat | madclicker: then you have no choice but to relogin |
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| 21:48.01 | madclicker | deadcat: i guess |
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| 21:48.24 | valdyn | toukitsune: apt-cache show apt-proxy |
| 21:48.29 | goron | paulswm: Wicked sick! No, yes, it's pretty nice, but just telling the computer: Just install all the stuff that's on the other computer is more easy. (but since we don't have that, this will do :) |
| 21:48.39 | peritus_ | deadcat: is it possible to read the error messages again? |
| 21:48.46 | madclicker | deadcat: would be sweet if i could $ source "conf-file" :) |
| 21:48.50 | deadcat | peritus_: dmesg maybe |
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| 21:48.58 | deadcat | madclicker: HAHAHAH |
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| 21:49.04 | peritus_ | nope :/ |
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| 21:49.08 | peritus_ | fuck. |
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| 21:49.41 | DigitALL | hi |
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| 21:50.29 | scorphus | Does grub support XFS? (I get no answers on #grub) |
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| 21:50.40 | toukitsune | thanks very much valdyn |
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| 21:50.55 | encrypt | exim: how do i configure domain file (inside /etc/vdomainaliases/) to reject all emails from a domain instead of going to queue? |
| 21:50.58 | deadcat | scorphus: probably |
| 21:51.08 | toukitsune | so then what is apt-got? nothing I should look into? |
| 21:51.33 | deadcat | toukitsune: apt-get . |
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| 21:51.44 | valdyn | toukitsune: hmm, seems not to be in sid even, so, probably not |
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| 21:52.15 | valdyn | toukitsune: there is one alternative though, approx, its in sid, i havent tried it |
| 21:52.19 | toukitsune | valdyn: apt-proxy is an on demand mirror though right? |
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| 21:52.29 | valdyn | toukitsune: yea |
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| 21:53.00 | scorphus | http://lists.ssc.com/pipermail/linux-list/2003-February/015031.html (ext3 vs. xfs) |
| 21:53.05 | toukitsune | so I don't have to fully mirror but if one server request it from the proxy it will get from an actual debian mirror and then the rest can get from the proxy? |
| 21:53.11 | EmergeTW | could someone point me to a resource for compiling a kernel under debian? it seems to be different then gentoo |
| 21:53.26 | KinxofSepluv | Does any one know anything about saa7134 TV tuner setup? |
| 21:53.30 | valdyn | toukitsune: exactly |
| 21:53.41 | toukitsune | kk just wanted to make sure. thanks valdyn |
| 21:53.43 | deadcat | EmergeTW: http://newbiedoc.sourceforge.net/system/kernel-pkg.html |
| 21:54.03 | valdyn | toukitsune: and more than that, apt-proxy can actually store older version, which true mirrors will not |
| 21:54.14 | paulswm | EmergeTW: Also, the debian reference manual has a section on kernel compiling |
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| 21:54.38 | deadcat | EmergeTW: basically the same. instead of make whatever, just make-kpkg |
| 21:54.44 | Xsquared | is sasl2-bin compiled with authdaemon support? |
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| 21:54.59 | toukitsune | valdyn: I can do woody and sarge on the same server? |
| 21:55.09 | valdyn | toukitsune: yea |
| 21:55.43 | valdyn | toukitsune: it produces an exact image of a true debian mirror, to the extent packages have been demanded |
| 21:55.53 | ron_ | paulswm: apt-get doesn't do anything. What other command should I use to get it going? |
| 21:56.23 | valdyn | toukitsune: so multiple arches or versions is np |
| 21:56.26 | paulswm | ron_: per man dpkg, dselect and the install option |
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| 21:56.34 | toukitsune | another question. the Debian source CDs. I never delt with them. is there some sort of install on that as with like an i386 disk? |
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| 21:56.49 | paulswm | ron_: didn't mean to mislead you, I just don't remember, it's been a long time |
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| 21:57.26 | valdyn | toukitsune: no. those CDs just provide the source packages that you get when doing "apt-get source <package>" |
| 21:58.02 | MojoPikon | Hi :) |
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| 21:58.10 | toukitsune | is there an automated process in debian to compile the source packages or do I have to extract them somehow and manualy do it? |
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| 21:58.34 | drac | toukitsune: depends on sources.. |
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| 21:58.52 | valdyn | toukitsune: yes, to some extent, not like gentoo or *bsd |
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| 21:59.25 | toukitsune | so its not realy easy to have a source compiled debian over binary then |
| 21:59.30 | ron_ | paulswm: It works, by pressing some random buttons. Now, I still don't exacly know how I did it. |
| 21:59.46 | valdyn | toukitsune: i would say its easy, but its probably alot of manual work |
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| 21:59.56 | ron_ | paulswm: I think just running dselect is enough and then following the screens. |
| 22:00.02 | ron_ | paulswm: Thanks :) |
| 22:00.17 | valdyn | toukitsune: and its most defenitely not worth the hasslel, though compiling _specific_ packages makes sense |
| 22:00.20 | paulswm | ron_: My pleasure, glad to have bumbled through it with you :) |
| 22:00.43 | ron_ | paulswm: "It never hurts to help". ;) |
| 22:01.07 | toukitsune | what about compileing a non debian into a *.deb binary package. is there any documentation on that? |
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| 22:01.37 | caphuso | toukitsune: /msg dpkg mg |
| 22:01.39 | toukitsune | meep! |
| 22:01.41 | valdyn | toukitsune: apt-cache show alien ( but there's usually a true deb already ) |
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| 22:02.08 | Xsquared | can someone please help me? what path do i need to insert for authdaemon in the postfix config? |
| 22:02.11 | valdyn | toukitsune: well, or "checkinstall" |
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| 22:02.21 | toukitsune | actualy there are some programs that I have that arn't true deb files and I want to make it so I can remove them by apt |
| 22:02.37 | furrywolf | meep! :) |
| 22:02.42 | Rhaki | ciao |
| 22:02.46 | valdyn | toukitsune: are those packages rpms or source tarballs? |
| 22:02.49 | hrishi | hi, i am trying to configure xf86 in my hp7500 , but it's xserver is failing to start |
| 22:03.00 | EvilSporkMan | i have an Abit NF8 motherboard, and i've just recently built my computer. A staticy noise seems to be coming from the vicinity of the ethernet jack on my motherboard when i send data to it over my LAN. is this normal or is something wrong here? |
| 22:03.01 | toukitsune | source .... no tarballs |
| 22:03.05 | toukitsune | just source |
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| 22:03.15 | toukitsune | they are something my friend has made |
| 22:03.25 | [ReNeGaDe] | hi @ll |
| 22:03.26 | valdyn | toukitsune: look into checkinstall, easy, but you have to install dependencies manually |
| 22:03.30 | [ReNeGaDe] | someone can help me plz with Debian? I have a newbie question |
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| 22:03.38 | mtnman | hrishi: run dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xfree86 |
| 22:03.43 | Xsquared | [ReNeGaDe]: just ask it |
| 22:04.12 | streuner | [ReNeGaDe]: and change your nick, please. |
| 22:04.25 | Active2 | i've got a spam message on one of the mailinglists running bij mailman, what should i do reject or discard ? (i'm not that into mailman) |
| 22:04.33 | streuner | [ReNeGaDe]: otherwise i have to cut and paste ;-) |
| 22:04.35 | hrishi | mtrman: let me try |
| 22:04.51 | furrywolf | active: discard. so they don't think the email is valid and send even more spam. |
| 22:04.51 | mtnman | hrishi: i don't have to let you. |
| 22:04.57 | Xsquared | streuner: bitchx auto converted it for me |
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| 22:05.17 | [ReNeGaDe] | ok, I installed Debian 3.0 r4 _woody_ for the first time on an old box and everything went fine so far... after the installation had finished I got a console logon prompt. I was able to log in with the root user. But after I rebooted the machine, Debian brings a GUI logon prompt (the default one I guess), and when I try to log-in with root, it says: "It's not possible to log-in with this user on the GUI" or something like that. |
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| 22:05.43 | Xsquared | [ReNeGaDe]: you don't log into x with root |
| 22:05.44 | valdyn | [ReNeGaDe]: so log in as a user, not as root |
| 22:05.46 | mtnman | renegade: press ctrl-alt-f2 |
| 22:05.47 | furrywolf | renegade: so log in as your user account? |
| 22:05.59 | Xsquared | [ReNeGaDe]: make a user account |
| 22:06.05 | Xsquared | [ReNeGaDe]: use that |
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| 22:06.15 | furrywolf | you shouldn't be using X as root... if you need to do root-type things from X, open an xterm and su |
| 22:06.24 | [ReNeGaDe] | I tried to log-in with the other user I created during the installation, but I got "Authenitcation failed" although I am sure, I entered everything correctly. How may I log-in to the system with root now? I dunno how to do that? Maybe to switch to another run level or do I have to press special keys while booting Debian to override the GUI logon prompt?? Hope someone can help me ... |
| 22:06.32 | mtnman | renegade: press ctrl-alt-f2 which will bring you to a second virtual console. you can login as root, disable the graphical login, or add another user. |
| 22:06.34 | hrishi | mtrman: no output from it |
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| 22:06.41 | beardy | [ReNeGaDe]: WHen you installed, you was probably asked to create a normal user, log in with that username. |
| 22:06.50 | valdyn | [ReNeGaDe]: hit CTRL-ALT-F1 |
| 22:06.55 | Rhaki | con chi posso parlare |
| 22:06.57 | Xsquared | [ReNeGaDe]: add another user, log into X with that. |
| 22:06.59 | valdyn | [ReNeGaDe]: hit CTRL-ALT-F7 to get back to X |
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| 22:07.14 | streuner | people, only one should answer him... |
| 22:07.23 | ildegar | heh, an easy question and everyone's helping |
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| 22:07.41 | streuner | too many infos for him |
| 22:07.48 | mtnman | hrishi; no output from what? |
| 22:07.53 | Xsquared | where the hell is the authdaemon path? |
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| 22:08.13 | [ReNeGaDe] | hey dudes, thank you very much...a lot of answers :) I am booting the Debian box and I will have a try with the key combination you told me ... |
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| 22:08.39 | hrishi | from dpkg-reconfigure ... |
| 22:08.52 | streuner | [ReNeGaDe]: thats surely xdm, you can remove that if you want |
| 22:09.12 | mtnman | streuner: surely xdm? could be gdm or kdm.... |
| 22:09.15 | [ReNeGaDe] | hold on a sec... |
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| 22:09.26 | streuner | [ReNeGaDe]: for desktop or server? |
| 22:09.29 | [ReNeGaDe] | i choosed kdm at install prompt when he asked me for that... |
| 22:09.30 | mtnman | hrishi: please tell me the entire command you entered. |
| 22:09.37 | streuner | mtnman: prolly woody |
| 22:09.52 | hrishi | dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xfree86 |
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| 22:10.28 | fhffhqvb | if anyone is getting spammed by aYCa\ or Click, please tell an op. |
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| 22:11.01 | paulswm | Hah, streuner's on the case |
| 22:11.09 | mtnman | hrishi: that is odd. that command should bring up a dialog. |
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| 22:11.15 | [ReNeGaDe] | aaaah, I see... when I press CTRL-ALT-F1 to CTRL-ALT-F6 it will show a console logon prompt... tty1, tty2, tty3, etc... what is that for?? When I press CTRL-ALT-F7 it shows me the GUI prompt of Debian... |
| 22:11.17 | streuner | nothing |
| 22:11.18 | stew | fhffhqvb: Onqtref? |
| 22:11.44 | mtnman | renegade: they are called "virtual" consoles. |
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| 22:12.15 | [ReNeGaDe] | ok, can u tell me quickly how to change the password of my user I created during install? So I can log-in with that normal user at the GUI prompt... |
| 22:12.22 | [ReNeGaDe] | man -k find doesn't work I see... ?? :( |
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| 22:12.30 | [ReNeGaDe] | sorry for the newbie questions, but I' |
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| 22:12.40 | [ReNeGaDe] | I'm really a linux newbie :D |
| 22:12.40 | paulswm | [ReNeGaDe]: man passwd |
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| 22:13.11 | Xsquared | does anyone run a postfix mailserver in here? would i be able to get a quick hand from you? thanks. |
| 22:13.12 | mdke | hi there, does anyone know bind? I'm just experimenting with it for the first time. I don't know which database file/zone file to edit. can anyone help me out? |
| 22:13.17 | mtnman | renegade: as root, run "passwd foo" (where foo is the username) |
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| 22:13.30 | stew | Xsquared: if you have a question just ask it |
| 22:13.37 | valdyn | [ReNeGaDe]: as root: passwd <username> |
| 22:13.42 | Xsquared | stew: no-one is answering it though |
| 22:13.46 | goron | [ReNeGaDe]: Or as root: su someuser and then passwd |
| 22:13.55 | paulswm | mtnman: you are kinder than me, now I feel slightly ashamed :) |
| 22:14.23 | [ReNeGaDe] | but why "man -k user" does not work for example? man -k does not work htere... I am always getting error message "nothing appropriate" |
| 22:14.33 | Xsquared | stew: with smtpd.conf, what path should i put in as the authdaemon_path? |
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| 22:14.38 | `UD | how do i send an email from a command like? exim4 |
| 22:14.40 | mtnman | paulsm: don't feel too bad. yesterday i had less patience and i called someone "idiotic". |
| 22:14.54 | Xsquared | `UD: telnet localhost 25 |
| 22:15.01 | paulswm | mtnman: I am shocked that someone would use such language in #debian :P |
| 22:15.08 | delire | hehe |
| 22:15.13 | mdke | anyone on my BIND question? |
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| 22:15.28 | [ReNeGaDe] | passwd user says user not found...how do I list the user list? |
| 22:15.29 | fhffhqvb | !stab mdke |
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| 22:15.41 | mdke | hmm |
| 22:15.44 | mdke | harsh |
| 22:15.44 | delire | anyone know of a laptop made in the last 2 years that actually has a working system bell? |
| 22:15.49 | fhffhqvb | fuck |
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| 22:15.51 | mdke | fhffhqvb, sup? |
| 22:15.53 | chr1s | hi |
| 22:15.55 | fhffhqvb | another ubuntu dork |
| 22:15.58 | stew | Xsquared: /var/run/courier/authdaemon/socket i believe |
| 22:16.05 | fhffhqvb | mdke: go away |
| 22:16.13 | mdke | fhffhqvb, why? |
| 22:16.13 | mtnman | paulswm: this guy was asking how to install wavemon and thought that since the program was included in debian that he should come to this channel to get help installing from source to a fedora box. |
| 22:16.18 | fhffhqvb | mdke: this is not #ubuntu |
| 22:16.22 | chr1s | I've installed debian a few days ago, but I wanted to install the "Desktop System" which automatically selects a lot of packages for me |
| 22:16.23 | Xsquared | stew: thats what i put, and it still won't work :'-( |
| 22:16.25 | paulswm | [ReNeGaDe]: did you create a normal user during install? you can do 'cat /etc/passwd' and see if the user you think you created is in there, perhaps youy mispelled it |
| 22:16.26 | mdke | fhffhqvb, i know, what is the problem? |
| 22:16.32 | chr1s | is it possible to do that with some tool? |
| 22:16.34 | stew | Xsquared: check that the path exists |
| 22:16.42 | stew | Xsquared: and that you have the authdaemon started |
| 22:16.43 | jdhutchin1 | chr1s, yes, tasksel |
| 22:17.01 | mdke | fhffhqvb, ? |
| 22:17.05 | mtnman | renegade: i suggest you read a newbie book about linux such as "running debian" |
| 22:17.09 | paulswm | mtnman: 'idiotic' was *way* too kind, that's a drive-greycat-to-CAPS kind of conversation :) |
| 22:17.12 | delire | goron it's a good desktop class distribution |
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| 22:17.17 | Xsquared | stew: authdaemon is started, the path does exist |
| 22:17.18 | chr1s | thanks jdhutchin1 |
| 22:17.27 | valdyn | !tell [ReNeGaDe] about refcard |
| 22:17.27 | Xsquared | stew: hold on, i'll past output from mail.log |
| 22:17.29 | shining | for setting up a dns in my local network, I can choose the domain name I want or ? |
| 22:17.35 | beardy | [ReNeGaDe]: Your mandb is probably not built yet. As root, run "mandb" (You can use "apropos" instead of "man -k" |
| 22:17.39 | goron | delire: I don't agree. The idea is nice, but idea's buy you.... nothing. |
| 22:17.40 | [ReNeGaDe] | paulswm: oh ok,I opened the file and saw it...I misspelled the user when I created him... how bad :( |
| 22:17.42 | mdke | is it normal for people in this channel to just tell people to go away when they ask questions? |
| 22:17.43 | stew | Xsquared: use paster or #flood |
| 22:17.47 | d03boy | hi friends |
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| 22:18.04 | caphuso | mdke: depends on the kind of question asked |
| 22:18.06 | valdyn | mdke: if the question is offtopic, sure |
| 22:18.15 | Xsquared | stew: im gonna paste in #flood |
| 22:18.19 | mdke | caphuso, valdyn, was my question about BIND offtopic? |
| 22:18.21 | borius | how do I cut off the ten bottom pixel rows of an image, using convert? |
| 22:18.26 | goron | mdke: No |
| 22:18.36 | fhffhqvb | yes. he's running ubuntu, not debian. |
| 22:18.38 | stew | mdke: if you are running ubuntu it is |
| 22:18.39 | paulswm | [ReNeGaDe]: you can remove the user and create another one: man useradd, man userrdel |
| 22:18.44 | caphuso | mdke: no, just lame. e.g., you haven't stated that you read the bind docs and the DNS howto yet... |
| 22:18.47 | paulswm | man userdel I mean |
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| 22:18.53 | d03boy | i cant seem to find the correct modelines for my videocard/monitor... inspiron 8600 with the 1280x800px screen res, anyone know what modelines I need? |
| 22:18.58 | [ReNeGaDe] | beardy^: ok thanx, he is doing something, I hope he builds the man db although he said: "fopen: no such file or directory" in one output line after executing command "mandb" |
| 22:18.58 | mdke | caphuso, I'm following the guide at http://www.debian.org/doc/manuals/network-administrator/ch-bind.html |
| 22:19.01 | delire | goron: i have run debian since potato and will continue to, but appreciate ubuntu's 'sensible defaults' after a recent trial |
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| 22:19.26 | mdke | stew, fhffhqvb you guys have a real attitude problem. my question is about debian, hence I am in #debian |
| 22:19.33 | mdke | and I am running DEBIAN |
| 22:19.35 | caphuso | mdke: then ask a specific question about the exact problem you have |
| 22:19.40 | [ReNeGaDe] | paulswm thanx man |
| 22:19.49 | mdke | caphuso, i did |
| 22:19.49 | fhffhqvb | lying won't make it true. |
| 22:20.01 | mdke | fhffhqvb, i am on sarge |
| 22:20.05 | mdke | seriously you have an attitude problem |
| 22:20.09 | borius | is there a command that will tell me what dimensions an image is? |
| 22:20.13 | caphuso | like "i want to accomplish foo and know that i have to add "foo bar baz" somewhere, but i don't know what file this "somewhere" is" |
| 22:20.15 | goron | delire: Well, it had some quirks, and I don't want to update my sources.list every six months. |
| 22:20.20 | Xsquared | stew: wtf? ok now its saying it does connect but has a table lookup problem. GRRAHH! |
| 22:20.24 | goron | delire: I like the idea of Unstable. |
| 22:20.31 | paulswm | [ReNeGaDe]: You're wlecome, welcome to Linux :) |
| 22:20.36 | mdke | caphuso, ok, the guide tells me to edit a zone database file, but I do not know which of the various files in /etc/bind to edit |
| 22:20.37 | Xsquared | stew: i hate mail. |
| 22:20.40 | stew | Xsquared: sounds like progress :) |
| 22:20.46 | [ReNeGaDe] | hehe,I hope I'll beat the beginning difficulties :) |
| 22:21.02 | valdyn | mdke: there is easier to configure dns servers / proxies |
| 22:21.10 | delire | goron: different strokes for different blokes. i have run several testing/unstable rig's happily for years. |
| 22:21.10 | stew | mdke: the zone file should be named in the zone definition in the named.conf file |
| 22:21.23 | mdke | stew, right |
| 22:21.24 | caphuso | mdke: the one that the stanza for the zone in named.conf specifies |
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| 22:21.36 | stew | mdke: and if its a relative path its rooted in /etc/bind/ |
| 22:21.36 | mdke | caphuso, stew, i'll have a look in there. |
| 22:21.48 | mdke | i'm a little riled by the aggressive reception i received i have to say |
| 22:22.07 | [ReNeGaDe] | is there a command to display all users on that machine, except of looking into /etc/passwd ?? |
| 22:22.09 | paulswm | [ReNeGaDe]: It just takes patiance and perseverance, you'll be a Linux geek in no time if you find it interesting to learn |
| 22:22.32 | delire | mdke: forget about it.. always a gargoyle about.. |
| 22:22.32 | [ReNeGaDe] | paulswm Oh yes, I am very thirsty to learn it believe me... |
| 22:22.36 | mdke | thingfish, thanks |
| 22:22.37 | thingfish | is that better? |
| 22:22.39 | mdke | delire, more than one |
| 22:22.42 | mdke | thingfish, :) |
| 22:22.46 | valdyn | [ReNeGaDe]: every desktop framework has some app for this |
| 22:22.54 | thingfish | hehe |
| 22:23.01 | paulswm | [ReNeGaDe]: To see usernames, look at /etc/password, to see whos actually logged in, 'who' |
| 22:23.02 | mtnman | renegade: i suggest you read a book called "Running Linux". |
| 22:23.24 | delire | "Long Distance Running Linux" for servers |
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| 22:23.41 | [ReNeGaDe] | mtnman :) I know the basics dude, but I worked before only with SuSE and that's why I am missing some commands :) |
| 22:23.49 | paulswm | [ReNeGaDe]: You can start with the debian reference manual which has some tutorials, and there is a lot of tutorial stuff on the web, also books per mtnman's suggestion |
| 22:23.52 | mtnman | renegade: like passwd? |
| 22:24.03 | [ReNeGaDe] | mtnman no of course ;) |
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| 22:24.10 | [ReNeGaDe] | paulswm ok man, tnx a lot |
| 22:24.10 | streuner | !tell [ReNeGaDe] about ig |
| 22:24.18 | paulswm | [ReNeGaDe]: yw, buddy |
| 22:24.30 | [ReNeGaDe] | Thanks streuner |
| 22:24.35 | streuner | [ReNeGaDe]: np |
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| 22:25.06 | valdyn | guess suse ships kde as desktop in default install so all you know might be limited to kde and its tools |
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| 22:25.39 | [ReNeGaDe] | another last question: which irc client do you advice me to use with Debian? BitchX or something else? |
| 22:25.46 | witless | in debian-sid's mozilla-thunderbird, is searching messages broken? |
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| 22:25.57 | valdyn | [ReNeGaDe]: anything, just not bitchx |
| 22:26.09 | FarrisG | I'm getting a "AF_UNIX path too long" with rdiff-backup. Anyone know anything about this? |
| 22:26.31 | valdyn | [ReNeGaDe]: irssi ( text ) or xchat ( gui ) |
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| 22:26.38 | paulswm | Hehe, you smartasses |
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| 22:26.51 | thingfish | hehe |
| 22:27.15 | [ReNeGaDe] | oh,you said NO to bitchx?? Ok,I will have a try with irssi and xchat then ... tnx |
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| 22:27.41 | delire | .. and for good reason |
| 22:28.00 | Xsquared | i guess... when will it be fixed? |
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| 22:28.28 | thingfish | I'm not a fish, I'm a thing-fish |
| 22:28.48 | mtnman | thingfish: well, that clears it up. |
| 22:29.08 | valdyn | witless: whats broken with it? |
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| 22:29.21 | paulswm | It's a *big* jar |
| 22:29.27 | witless | valdyn: i;m unable to add any criteria to the search dialog |
| 22:29.41 | witless | click "more" and nothing appears in the search dialog |
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| 22:30.22 | reagent | I want to make a debian package of a perl script and I am looking for a good and small example about how to package 'Architecture: all' stuff |
| 22:31.15 | valdyn | witless: it works for me |
| 22:31.38 | dondelelcaro | reagent: there are numerous examples of it. Any perl module is an example of how to package things that are Architecture: all |
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| 22:31.54 | mtnman | hi don |
| 22:31.58 | eule | hi, debian gateway, iptables natting, problem: address 192.168.10.10 wants to connect to an official address 1.1.1.1 which is an alias of eth0 and should forward all packets again to the same internal net, let's say to 192.168.10.11. how should the rule look like? thx |
| 22:32.19 | reagent | dondelelcaro: Ok, thank you. I just wanted to make sure I'm not taking a bad example |
| 22:32.36 | dondelelcaro | mtnman: sup |
| 22:32.39 | dafresh | hi all, is squidguard able to filter http request based on the squid user ? |
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| 22:32.59 | mtnman | don: well, the season here just ended, so am now looking forward to brc. |
| 22:33.16 | witless | valdyn: i'm a goddamn moron. the criteria pane was shrunk down. |
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| 22:33.27 | dondelelcaro | mtnman: dang... pretty long season. Nice... yeah, I should definetly be there. |
| 22:33.31 | witless | (either i'm a moron or it's a UI flaw :-) |
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| 22:34.01 | mtnman | don: well, there are still *two* areas still open, but we closed this past sunday. |
| 22:34.20 | mtnman | don: am planning a trip out to your neck of the woods in the near future. |
| 22:34.24 | dafresh | i ask this here because guys on #squid seams to sleep / are idle ... |
| 22:34.43 | FieldySnuts | dafresh: best place for squid help is the squid users mailing list, info about which can be found on their web site |
| 22:34.49 | dondelelcaro | mtnman: nice. to SF? or LA? |
| 22:34.56 | Xsquared | stew: |
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| 22:35.02 | mtnman | don: both, most likely. |
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| 22:35.12 | dafresh | FieldySnuts: hum yeah you are right ... i 'll try, thx |
| 22:35.15 | dondelelcaro | mtnman: ah, cool. |
| 22:35.30 | Xsquared | stew: warning: connect to mysql server localhost: Can't connect to local MySQL server through socket '/var/run/mysqld/mysqld.sock' (2) ... thats a permission error right? |
| 22:35.41 | dondelelcaro | mtnman: yeah, I'm most likely going to be at LWCE SF again, but definetly will be around for burning man |
| 22:35.59 | mtnman | don: we need to connect in brc this year. |
| 22:36.07 | cthulfuego | Xsquared: More likely mysql is running. |
| 22:36.17 | cthulfuego | Xsquared: isn't running, even. |
| 22:36.30 | Xsquared | cthulfuego: whats that mean? |
| 22:36.32 | dondelelcaro | mtnman: definetly. The camp I'm in is almost always at 9:30 and sedna... usually has a bunch of geodesic domes |
| 22:36.37 | Xsquared | cthulfuego: its running |
| 22:36.40 | cthulfuego | Xsquared: it emans the mysql server is not running. |
| 22:36.47 | Xsquared | cthulfuego: it is running |
| 22:36.48 | stew | Xsquared: (2) is ENOENT i.e. file not found iirc |
| 22:36.56 | cthulfuego | Xsquared: Does /var/run/mysqld/mysqld.sock exist? |
| 22:37.03 | Xsquared | cthulfuego: yes |
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| 22:37.24 | Quickimaster | hello again |
| 22:37.32 | IronRoses | hello |
| 22:37.43 | Quickimaster | does anyone know where the FTP server is installed on debian? |
| 22:37.47 | IronRoses | finally got debian sid running on my box |
| 22:37.47 | mtnman | don: well, i take the experience from golden gate park last fall as a good sign. |
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| 22:38.05 | cthulfuego | Quickimaster: Nowhere, unless you install it yourself. |
| 22:38.07 | mdke | caphuso, i've had a look in the named.conf file, and all of the zone files are referred to in there... can you help me any further? |
| 22:38.17 | cthulfuego | Xsquared: What are the perms on that socket? |
| 22:38.22 | Xsquared | cthulfuego: wtf? i thought it existed. ok, how do you make it? |
| 22:38.26 | IronRoses | um, how do i get in to the shell(failsafe) from kde? |
| 22:38.37 | IronRoses | I'm wanting to install nvvidia drivers... |
| 22:38.46 | cthulfuego | Xsquared: How do you mean wtf? is it there or not? |
| 22:38.46 | FieldySnuts | @lart nvidia |
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| 22:38.51 | Xsquared | cthulfuego: wtf??!! |
| 22:38.58 | valdyn | !tell IronRoses about nvidia drivers |
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| 22:39.05 | IronRoses | nice |
| 22:39.07 | IronRoses | cheers |
| 22:39.12 | Xsquared | cthulfuego: srwxrwxrwx 1 mysql mysql 0 2005-03-25 16:38 mysqld.sock |
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| 22:39.21 | borius | file used to give me the dimensions of image files, now it just says everything is 72x72... wtf?! |
| 22:39.23 | valdyn | !tell IronRoses about nvidia one-liner |
| 22:39.23 | cthulfuego | Xsquared: And the directory it is in? |
| 22:39.40 | d03boy | borius, dpi maybe? |
| 22:39.48 | Quickimaster | cthulfuego > i have it all ready installed, but because off moving the server i had to shut down it and now i need to restart it |
| 22:39.48 | Xsquared | cthulfuego: /var/run/mysqld |
| 22:39.53 | borius | d03boy: yeah but I am interesting in pixels |
| 22:39.57 | borius | d03boy: which it used to tell me |
| 22:40.08 | dondelelcaro | mtnman: heh. glad you liked that. Yeah, I hope we'll have a mobile sound system this year and slightly better people attraction |
| 22:40.09 | cthulfuego | Quickimaster: Which ftp software? proftpd? wu-ftpd? vsftpd? |
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| 22:40.21 | cthulfuego | Xsquared: Does that have permissions? |
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| 22:40.53 | mdke | stew, i've had a look in the named.conf file, and all of the zone files are referred to in there... can you help me any further? |
| 22:40.54 | mtnman | don: sounds like a party on wheels. speaking of which, you never did see my friends' art car last year, did you? |
| 22:40.55 | cthulfuego | Quickimaster: Unless it runs from inetd, it'll be /etc/init.d/*ftp start |
| 22:41.07 | Xsquared | cthulfuego: drwxr-xr-x 2 mysql root 4096 2005-03-25 16:38 mysqld |
| 22:41.35 | cthulfuego | Xsquared: Ok. I think maybe mysql crashed. /etc/init.d/mysql stop; /etc/init.d/mysql start |
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| 22:41.55 | dondelelcaro | mtnman: hrm... probably not. Which one was it? |
| 22:42.00 | borius | d03boy: hmm convert -verbose works |
| 22:42.01 | stew | mdke: i'm not sure i understand your question, what are you trying to do? |
| 22:42.05 | FieldySnuts | heh nice ident |
| 22:42.19 | mdke | stew, i'll try and explain in more detail |
| 22:42.22 | stew | nice and spammy |
| 22:42.35 | fhffhqvb | aPriL: come here often to spam? |
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| 22:42.39 | mtnman | dondelelcaro: garage mahal is the camp. their car is/was called "shiva" |
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| 22:42.49 | stew | yeah aPriL == spambot |
| 22:42.58 | bonez39 | what's that little applet, that command that let's you talk, with another on the same lan? |
| 22:43.09 | mtnman | dondelelcaro: i have a pic somewhere, but i think that box is off-line. |
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| 22:43.31 | Xsquared | cthulfuego, stew: im back to here again: warning: SASL authentication failure: cannot connect to Courier authdaemond: No such file or directory |
| 22:43.43 | Xsquared | :'''-( |
| 22:43.58 | mtnman | don: found it! |
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| 22:44.04 | stew | !ops aPriL onjoin spambot |
| 22:44.05 | dpkg | Hydroxide, bob2, caphuso, dondelelcaro, doogie, eeyore-, ElectricElf, greycat, helix, ljlane, LoRez, mentor, Netsnipe, TML, walters, xk: aPriL onjoin spambot |
| 22:44.06 | dondelelcaro | mtnman: oh, I think I may have seen that car... or at least, a car that should have been called shiva. ;-) |
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| 22:44.14 | cthulfuego | Xsquared: configure and start the auth daemon. |
| 22:44.18 | mdke | stew, what I want to do is set up a dns server box (sarge) which will allow all the computers on my network to resolve the hostnames of the other ones. I also would like it to replace my isp nameservers if possible. I am following a guide on debian.org, and it says to edit the zone file, but I am unsure of which of the files to edit. |
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| 22:44.32 | mtnman | don: can send it if you want. |
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| 22:44.37 | dondelelcaro | mtnman: sure |
| 22:44.38 | stew | Xsquared: check that authdaemond is started and the socked exists in /var/run/courier |
| 22:45.01 | Xsquared | stew: it is started |
| 22:45.29 | cthulfuego | Xsquared: Check chroot settings. |
| 22:45.44 | stew | mdke: you need to add a new zone entry for the domain name that you will use for your local machines, and create the corresponding zone file |
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| 22:45.46 | Xsquared | cthulfuego: on what? |
| 22:46.00 | stew | Xsquared: try restarting it |
| 22:46.08 | cthulfuego | Xsquared: On whatever needs to connect to th auth daemon. |
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| 22:46.22 | stew | Xsquared: ahh, yeah, chrrot settings in master.cf in postfix |
| 22:46.32 | mdke | stew, i have a domainname from dyndns, is this sufficient |
| 22:46.35 | Xsquared | ok, i'll look |
| 22:46.57 | cthulfuego | stew: postfix conencts to saslauthd, not authdaemond |
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| 22:47.07 | Quickimaster | i have found that the map /etc/init.d/ excist and now i'm searching for a file whit ftp in it, but i can't find it yet |
| 22:47.07 | FieldySnuts | for dns? probably not. most isps will not let you serve dns |
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| 22:47.15 | Xsquared | cthulfuego: What??!! |
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| 22:47.25 | cyklus | is it possible to reconnect to a terminal on a server if you got disconnected? |
| 22:47.27 | FieldySnuts | jewbuntu: cute nick |
| 22:47.29 | reagent | I don't quite understand what dh_installdirs makes |
| 22:47.44 | cthulfuego | Quickimaster: Then your ftp server ptrobably runs from inetd. Does 'grep ^ftp /etc/inetd.conf' list anything? |
| 22:47.57 | mdke | FieldySnuts, was that dns comment aimed at me? |
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| 22:48.12 | devazion | I need rename lots of files... they all got a ; in their names a want to dele.. anyone know how to do this thing? |
| 22:48.18 | dondelelcaro | devazion: use rename |
| 22:48.30 | dondelelcaro | devazion: something like rename 's/;//g' *; |
| 22:48.39 | stew | mdke: you can just make up your own domain name, like "mdke" (not .com or anything) just for use in your local environment, and have machines named "machine1.mdke" |
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| 22:48.51 | devazion | don_inlab, thx i will look exactly for how to do it =) thx |
| 22:49.04 | Xsquared | cthulfuego: do i have to uncomment this: #smtps inet n - n - - smtpd -o smtpd_tls_wrappermode=yes -o smtpd_sasl_auth_enable=yes |
| 22:49.15 | mdke | stew, oh cool |
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| 22:49.26 | cthulfuego | Xsquared: No, you have to fix your chroot settings. |
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| 22:49.35 | mdke | stew, thanks, i have a lot to learn, but i am getting there slowly |
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| 22:50.03 | stew | mdke: then use "mdke" as a search in resolv.conf (man resolv.conf) |
| 22:50.14 | cthulfuego | Xsquared: smtps is *not* running, so can't be your problem. |
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| 22:50.28 | Xsquared | cthulfuego: im so confused. What entry do i have to change the chroot settings on? |
| 22:51.06 | mdke | stew, yeah i see. do you know what I will need to do with my router? the situation is that I have a hardware router which gives ip address statically to my boxes and by dhcp to my flatmate (on windows): do I need to set that up to use my box as a nameserver, or do I have to keep it getting my ISP's nameservers? |
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| 22:52.00 | cthulfuego | Xsquared: the one that logs the error that says it can't connect to the auth daemon. |
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| 22:52.56 | stew | mdke: yes, tell your router to give out your nameserver |
| 22:53.05 | yildirim | can anyone help me with mojo mail? |
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| 22:53.06 | Xsquared | cthulfuego: is that this? postfix/trivial-rewrite[29403] ? it reported the error |
| 22:53.07 | mdke | stew, cool thanks |
| 22:54.17 | reagent | dondelelcaro: Hm, I really don't get it. I checked the yahoo2mbox package. dh_strip is being called... why? it's only a perl script |
| 22:54.34 | caphuso | lazy maintainer? |
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| 22:54.49 | Xsquared | cthulfuego: ok, i changed it, but it didn't do anything |
| 22:54.51 | cthulfuego | Xsquared: Then that's the one that needs to have the chroot disabled. |
| 22:55.01 | mediafly | Hi, how can I convert a txt file to ps? |
| 22:55.11 | caphuso | mediafly: a2ps or enscript |
| 22:55.19 | reagent | mediafly: use a2ps pr enscript or something similar |
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| 22:55.27 | mediafly | thx |
| 22:55.35 | cthulfuego | Xsquared: And yes, you'll need to restart postfix. |
| 22:55.54 | Quickimaster | where can i find init.d? |
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| 22:56.04 | dondelelcaro | reagent: dh_strip doesn't do any harm when there's nothing to strip... it's just totally useless. |
| 22:56.13 | wrs | hi everybody |
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| 22:56.20 | Quickimaster | hi |
| 22:56.28 | reagent | dondelelcaro: ok |
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| 22:56.41 | wrs | is there a way to find out which new packages were installed the last X days, i.e. a log of installations? |
| 22:56.50 | Quickimaster | sorry initd |
| 22:56.54 | dondelelcaro | wrs: depends on how you installed them. |
| 22:57.05 | usn | hi all |
| 22:57.19 | wrs | dondelelcaro: i usually d it using dselect. I think that is using dpkg |
| 22:57.24 | wrs | hi usn |
| 22:57.44 | streuner | wrs: via ls /var/dpkg/info/ |
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| 22:58.12 | Xsquared | cthulfuego: #flood for a sec |
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| 22:58.42 | streuner | wrs: /var/lib/dpkg/info/ |
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| 22:58.58 | streuner | wrs: look at the man-page and sort it by date |
| 22:59.09 | tabris|away | mtnman: i'm not really back. just sticking head in. i'm out again. |
| 22:59.16 | Xsquared | cthulfuego: cannot connect to mysql thingy |
| 22:59.18 | wrs | streuner: yes, i did it like this: ll /var/lib/dpkg/info | grep 2004-04-2. |
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| 22:59.44 | mtnman | tabris|away: good idea. be careful where you stick your head. remember, i have a bone-saw. |
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| 23:00.13 | lasala | what is a good bandwidth test utility ? |
| 23:00.17 | Quickimaster | where should a ftp program on debian be installed normally? |
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| 23:00.37 | Xsquared | Quickimaster: depends which one you installed |
| 23:00.42 | mtnman | lasala: i use pcpitstop.com's dowload bandwidth test. |
| 23:00.48 | wrs | streuner: so, if there is a package name + ".list" touched the last few days. Does that actually mean the package was at least updated? |
| 23:00.55 | Quickimaster | proftp |
| 23:01.04 | mtnman | quichimaster: i would guess /bin |
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| 23:01.16 | mtnman | uh, quickmaster, that is. |
| 23:01.18 | Xsquared | Quickimaster: /etc/proftpd/ i would think |
| 23:01.28 | Xsquared | Quickimaster: for the config |
| 23:01.28 | streuner | wrs: sure, as i said i dunno the options for ls... |
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| 23:02.23 | Quickimaster | is there any way to search on debian using ssh? |
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| 23:02.36 | mtnman | quickimaster: you could try "which ftp" |
| 23:02.41 | wrs | so, then i think the ppp package makes something wrong, compared to older versions... i updated it a few hours ago, shut down the pc, booted later, and - no way to get pppoe running the normal way |
| 23:02.54 | lasala | quickimaster: i'm trying to find a command line program |
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| 23:03.18 | wrs | actually, i have to say "ifconfig ethX up" as root explicitely. pon alone doesn't do it anymore |
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| 23:03.29 | mtnman | lasala: i suggest you familiarize yourself with "apt-cache search" |
| 23:04.20 | mtnman | wrs: pon is normally for dialup, not for ethernet. |
| 23:05.09 | mtnman | wrs: oh, i see you said you were using pppoe. ignore my last comment |
| 23:05.17 | wrs | mtnman: hm, pppoeconf told me to use "pon dsl-provider" to make up the link. hence i did so |
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| 23:05.40 | cthulfuego | wrs: only if you saved the settings as 'dsl-provider'. |
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| 23:06.24 | wrs | cthulfuego: yes sure,... sorry, i had to say "pon <dsl provider>" to be correct, but i was lazy there.. |
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| 23:06.49 | wrs | cthulfuego: i.e. i saved the settings as dsl-provider |
| 23:07.07 | Quickimaster | thanks for all support |
| 23:07.10 | Quickimaster | bye |
| 23:07.46 | Xsquared | cthulfuego: warning: SASL authentication failure: cannot connect to Courier authdaemond: No such file or directory |
| 23:07.59 | Xsquared | cthulfuego: :'-( |
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| 23:10.47 | wrs | so - i assume at the end it's my fault. But I'd like to hear if here's anyone who can verify that problem? (I'm using sarge.) |
| 23:11.00 | FieldySnuts | @blame wrs |
| 23:11.19 | kbs | Question about backups: so I'm using dump on an ext2 system -- is there a preferred debian mechanism in place which automates this? |
| 23:11.19 | fhffhqvb | !magic hate ball |
| 23:11.25 | fhffhqvb | exactly. |
| 23:11.40 | wrs | FieldySnuts: what does that mean "@blame wrs"? |
| 23:11.46 | Xsquared | what is the mysql socket located again? |
| 23:11.49 | FieldySnuts | heh |
| 23:11.54 | FieldySnuts | ravenbird: magic hate ball? |
| 23:11.55 | ravenbird | no idea, FieldySnuts |
| 23:12.03 | FieldySnuts | @magic hate ball |
| 23:12.07 | FieldySnuts | haha |
| 23:12.17 | kbs | heh. ain't that the truth |
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| 23:13.29 | Xsquared | stew: do i have to add postfix or authdaemon to a mysql group or something? |
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| 23:15.07 | bsphere | im trying to compile a .c code that i wrote, im using the 'log' function and including math.h, but the compiler says that it can't find the log function, how could it be? it's in the ANSI c standard... |
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| 23:15.29 | mediafly | Hi, when upgrading my Sarge system with aptitude I get the error message : " /var/lib/dpkg/info/debconf.postinst: line 84: 5905 Segmentation fault $PYTHON -O /usr/lib/$PYTHON/compileall.py -q $i " Here is the complete message http://cpp.sourceforge.net/?show=5210 ] Any ideas what's wrong? |
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| 23:16.15 | fhffhqvb | !any ideas |
| 23:16.15 | dpkg | Yeah, I have an idea! But I'll need a box full of string, a little thermal paste, and a handful of rabid hamsters. And keep the NSA off my back for the next few minutes! |
| 23:16.24 | fhffhqvb | !tell mediafly about bts |
| 23:16.41 | FieldySnuts | heh nsa |
| 23:17.05 | Xsquared | ok, how do you guys know all those commands for the bots? do you have a list on you or something? |
| 23:17.44 | FieldySnuts | been here way too long |
| 23:17.49 | fhffhqvb | Xsquared: we have no life |
| 23:17.53 | Xsquared | i see |
| 23:17.54 | FieldySnuts | @hump Xsquared |
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| 23:18.04 | fhffhqvb | !clarice Xsquared |
| 23:18.10 | FieldySnuts | damn |
| 23:18.15 | paulswm | !prise Xsquared |
| 23:18.25 | Xsquared | lol |
| 23:18.27 | FieldySnuts | dpkg: bot abuse? |
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| 23:18.28 | dpkg | Leave me alone.. I feel abused and molested. |
| 23:18.30 | fhffhqvb | !boeni paulswm |
| 23:18.31 | dpkg | paulswm: Boeni Boeni Boeni Boeni Boeni Boeni Boeni Madarch Madarch Boeni Boeni Boeni Boeni Neidr O 'i S Neidr! |
| 23:18.34 | karamelos | have a 2.6.10 kernel and have not sound from the pc speaker. I had enabled the speaker in the kernel config. |
| 23:18.37 | FieldySnuts | !dachs fhffhqvb |
| 23:18.39 | dpkg | fhffhqvb: Dachs Dachs Dachs Dachs Dachs Dachs Pilz Pilz Dachs Dachs Dachs Dachs Dachs Schlange! Eine Schlange! |
| 23:18.42 | paulswm | !badger fhffhqvb |
| 23:18.43 | dpkg | ENOUGH |
| 23:18.45 | FieldySnuts | hahahaha |
| 23:18.50 | FieldySnuts | bot had enough |
| 23:18.56 | paulswm | !botsnack |
| 23:18.56 | dpkg | :), paulswm |
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| 23:19.18 | paulswm | :botabuse |
| 23:19.22 | paulswm | !botabuse |
| 23:19.23 | dpkg | lay off me you buggerererers!!11! |
| 23:19.23 | FieldySnuts | wrong chan silly |
| 23:19.29 | fhffhqvb | !buttabuse |
| 23:19.30 | paulswm | FieldySnuts: Heh |
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| 23:19.33 | FieldySnuts | i like ravenbirds better |
| 23:19.38 | FieldySnuts | uhh. what's going rahul |
| 23:19.51 | FieldySnuts | @botabuse |
| 23:19.54 | fhffhqvb | !rahul |
| 23:19.55 | dpkg | Rahul's ass site is at http://linux.rice.edu/~rahul/ You can find XF86Configs for XFree4 using DRI on voodoo3 as well as Xinerama there. rah0000 |
| 23:20.06 | FieldySnuts | "ass site"? |
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| 23:20.14 | FieldySnuts | sounds like something Phated would like |
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| 23:20.30 | FieldySnuts | hi :) |
| 23:20.38 | Phated | I do not go for assess. |
| 23:20.55 | FieldySnuts | lala not commenting |
| 23:20.56 | Phated | Take an s off the end. |
| 23:21.31 | Xsquared | why can't i connect to my mysql database through postfix? |
| 23:21.41 | FieldySnuts | administrator error? |
| 23:21.54 | Xsquared | warning: connect to mysql server localhost: Can't connect to local MySQL server through socket '/var/run/mysqld/mysqld.sock' (2) |
| 23:22.06 | Xsquared | im the admin, and this is my first email server |
| 23:22.17 | Xsquared | and i can't get it to work. this sucks. |
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| 23:22.53 | cureless | Xsquared: (I'm not an expert in the area). Is mysql running? Does the directory exist? Does the postfix user have permissions to read/write to it? |
| 23:23.09 | Xsquared | cureless: yes, yes and yes |
| 23:23.15 | FieldySnuts | @annoy Phated |
| 23:23.16 | ravenbird | Phated: HOW TO THIS????? |
| 23:23.17 | cureless | Xsquared: on the postfix site there are a _ton_ of documents that describe how to connec postfix to mysql. |
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| 23:23.38 | FieldySnuts | :) |
| 23:23.51 | FieldySnuts | sadly I bet somebody actually said that (how to this etc) |
| 23:24.38 | Xenguy | ;-) |
| 23:24.57 | Phated | FieldySnuts: Yeah, painful, innit. |
| 23:25.05 | FieldySnuts | that someone said it yes |
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| 23:27.12 | Phated | Leave FieldySnuts alone. |
| 23:27.28 | asuffield | haah, Phated's got a crush |
| 23:27.31 | Xenguy | Phated: careful there, little girl =) |
| 23:27.38 | Xsquared | hehe |
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| 23:27.54 | FieldySnuts | eh leave Phated alone |
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| 23:28.05 | asuffield | ain't gonna |
| 23:28.10 | FieldySnuts | oh really |
| 23:28.12 | Xenguy | Xsquared: and here I thought that email was the killer app ;-) |
| 23:28.37 | Xsquared | Xenguy: email sucks donkeyballs. |
| 23:28.51 | Xenguy | Xsquared: I'm not sure why, but OK |
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| 23:28.57 | _wrs | as far as i can see "ifconfig ethX up" isn't invoked automatically anymore when running "pon <dsl provider>. But I want the "ifconfig ethX up" implicitly. So, does anyone of you have an idea, where to place the command? Shall I put it into /usr/bin/pon? Or where else? |
| 23:29.13 | Xsquared | Xenguy: because it isn't working for me |
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| 23:29.41 | Xenguy | Xsquared: that explains a lot -- email setup was a bitch for me too as I recall |
| 23:29.49 | lasala | I'm trying to install vmware on linux but i don't know the hot key to accept the EULA in shell .. what is it ? |
| 23:29.50 | streuner | _wrs: google for 'ADSL HOWTO' |
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| 23:30.05 | streuner | _wrs: there is an german website for, hold on |
| 23:30.14 | Xsquared | Xenguy: did u get it working in the end? |
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| 23:30.38 | Xenguy | Xsquared: oh sure, years ago (everything works eventually ;-) |
| 23:30.45 | streuner | _wrs: http://www.adsl4linux.de/ |
| 23:30.46 | jcole | i forgot, how do i exit a for loop in bash? |
| 23:30.55 | Xsquared | Xenguy: lol, what mail server are you using? |
| 23:31.00 | Xenguy | Xsquared: I'm using mutt/fetchmail/exim FWIW |
| 23:31.01 | lasala | jcole: done |
| 23:31.18 | lasala | jcole: no not done |
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| 23:31.34 | Xenguy | lie low |
| 23:31.42 | Xsquared | Xenguy: cool. except i don't like exim4 so i decided to go with postfix |
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| 23:32.07 | Xsquared | Xenguy: and i am stuck setting sql to interface with authdaemon |
| 23:32.07 | Xenguy | Xsquared: I'd switch to postfix if I wasn't so lazy ;-) |
| 23:32.11 | _wrs | streuner: <ironic>yes, sure. Or for 'ASL debian'</ironic>. But, my config worked fine for me until i did that update yesterday. Therefore i think there's nothing wrong about my configs, i.e. it _should_ run as the system is configured now. So, the howtos won't match, i believe.. |
| 23:32.29 | Xenguy | Xsquared: your last comment completely lost me tho |
| 23:32.32 | Xenguy | brb |
| 23:32.39 | streuner | _wrs: bullshit |
| 23:32.52 | streuner | _wrs: just read that |
| 23:32.52 | FieldySnuts | troll |
| 23:32.53 | jcole | it's break everyone |
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| 23:33.08 | WolfCub | Hey guys please visit http://www.linuxquestions.org/questions/showthread.php?s=&threadid=316131 and help me with my problem... |
| 23:33.34 | WolfCub | Tryin to get a TV card to work. |
| 23:33.34 | Xsquared | Xenguy: authdaemon can't access a mysql database and i can't find out why. its really pissing me off |
| 23:33.35 | fhffhqvb | no. |
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| 23:33.43 | _wrs | FieldySnuts: sorry, was that "troll" for me? |
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| 23:33.59 | Xenguy | Xsquared: ummm, what has that got to do with email tho? |
| 23:34.02 | kulk | buenas |
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| 23:34.35 | Xsquared | Xenguy: im trying to set up virtual domains. |
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| 23:35.00 | Apocalypse2012 | Hello I am having mouse problems in Debian "Woody" |
| 23:35.07 | fhffhqvb | stupid kvm |
| 23:35.12 | Xenguy | Xsquared: that's a whole different story - can't help you there (but you'll get there eventually - just drink more coffee, and then drink more beer -- works for me ;-) |
| 23:35.25 | streuner | Apocalypse2012: what kind of mouse do you have? |
| 23:35.37 | jewbuntu | did you fellows know that at least one debian developer is a GNAA member |
| 23:35.39 | Apocalypse2012 | i have a USB serial and Ps/2 none works |
| 23:35.40 | jewbuntu | I won't tell you which one |
| 23:35.43 | streuner | Apocalypse2012: desktop or server? |
| 23:35.47 | Apocalypse2012 | desktop |
| 23:35.48 | jewbuntu | but I thought i'd let you know |
| 23:36.09 | streuner | !tell Apocalypse2012 about woody->sarge |
| 23:36.13 | Xsquared | Xenguy: coffee + beer [in the same cup] = a real mans drink. |
| 23:36.14 | fhffhqvb | !ops jewbuntu troll |
| 23:36.15 | dpkg | Hydroxide, bob2, caphuso, dondelelcaro, doogie, eeyore-, ElectricElf, greycat, helix, ljlane, LoRez, mentor, Netsnipe, TML, walters, xk: jewbuntu troll |
| 23:36.21 | streuner | Apocalypse2012: upgrade to sarge |
| 23:36.22 | jewbuntu | I'm not trolling |
| 23:36.26 | jewbuntu | I'm completely serious |
| 23:36.31 | streuner | Apocalypse2012: /msg dpkg usbmouse |
| 23:36.32 | fhffhqvb | ah it's kawfee. |
| 23:36.38 | jewbuntu | no i'm not kawfee |
| 23:36.38 | Apocalypse2012 | ? |
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| 23:36.50 | streuner | Apocalypse2012: ! |
| 23:37.05 | Apocalypse2012 | type /msg dpkg usbmouse? |
| 23:37.13 | bucky | jewbuntu, are you one of the male models for the ubuntu logo? |
| 23:37.13 | Xsquared | someone sounds like they haven't had a happymeal today. |
| 23:37.19 | jewbuntu | bucky, yeah the big black man |
| 23:37.23 | Apocalypse2012 | LOL |
| 23:37.27 | Xsquared | ROFL! |
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| 23:37.42 | resiak | OMGROFLLOLSTFUNOOB # Do I get a prize? |
| 23:37.43 | Apocalypse2012 | So debian people don't like ripoffs of their distro either |
| 23:38.06 | jewbuntu | I tried using ubuntu, but x.orgasm was ultra slow and firefox kept crashing |
| 23:38.07 | jewbuntu | go figure |
| 23:38.11 | streuner | Apocalypse2012: debian don't like people who ignore any suggestions ;-) |
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| 23:38.19 | cureless | Apocalypse2012: we don't mind derivated (sp?) distros. We just mind when we get asked questions about them. |
| 23:38.24 | Apocalypse2012 | streuner: i type /msg dpkg usbmouse? |
| 23:38.29 | streuner | yeah |
| 23:38.36 | bucky | Apocalypse2012, no.. we just think people should offer support for their own distros instead of us supporting a distro that's not even ours |
| 23:38.47 | Apocalypse2012 | I see |
| 23:38.51 | markmrd | If I connect a usb device I get a /dev/sda directory, does anyone know the command to make the system check again for connected devices? |
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| 23:39.05 | _wrs | streuner: you didt'n see that there wasn't any howto for Sarge, did you? ... |
| 23:39.06 | Xsquared | markmrd: lsusb |
| 23:39.18 | bucky | Apocalypse2012, would you ask a suse question in #redhat because they both use rpm ? |
| 23:39.28 | jewbuntu | I do that all the time |
| 23:39.28 | Apocalypse2012 | i have had lots of problems with any mouse working in debian |
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| 23:39.31 | streuner | _wrs: no howto for sarge? |
| 23:39.31 | MegaByte | Hey guys |
| 23:39.37 | streuner | !ig |
| 23:39.37 | dpkg | rumour has it, ig is for woody: http://www.debian.org/releases/woody/installmanual ; sarge: http://d-i.alioth.debian.org/manual/ ; sid: /msg dpkg iyhtays. |
| 23:39.43 | MegaByte | how old are the packages of 3.0r5? |
| 23:39.46 | Xsquared | omfG! MegaByte! hellzo |
| 23:39.51 | streuner | _wrs: oh, its late |
| 23:39.51 | bucky | jewbuntu, well you're a metro sexual and you can get away with it |
| 23:40.02 | jewbuntu | what do you mean metro |
| 23:40.05 | jewbuntu | i'm the real thing |
| 23:40.07 | streuner | _wrs: you can use the woody howto as well |
| 23:40.10 | MegaByte | What kde version does debian 3.0r5 come with? |
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| 23:40.16 | _wrs | streuner: no howto for sarge on that page you told me, immediately before your "bullshit" scurrility |
| 23:40.16 | micro | hello, im looking for a program/plugin for xmms or anyathere program so i will be able to stream to shotcast, but i need a prog that i will have a list of my songs, and i could talk over my mic, does anyone knows where to get one? |
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| 23:40.47 | markmrd | Xsquared: I want to make the computer do a new sweep to see if any new devices have been connected, not just see the currently connected devices? |
| 23:40.49 | streuner | _wrs: you didn't read that stuff, that's what i mean, when you saying that before |
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| 23:41.08 | fhffhqvb | mentor |
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| 23:41.34 | chealer | MegaByte: 2.2 |
| 23:41.40 | streuner | _wrs: reading doesn't hurt (TM) ;-) |
| 23:41.44 | MegaByte | chealer: I see :( |
| 23:41.48 | chealer | MegaByte: just like 3.0r0 |
| 23:42.00 | paulswm | bye, you all stay safe |
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| 23:42.04 | chealer | MegaByte: and that's why you'd want to use sarge if you want a desktop |
| 23:42.06 | _wrs | streuner: oh, then sorry. It looked like your "bullshit" was meaning was I said as a whole |
| 23:42.10 | Xsquared | how do i reinstall all the default files for a package? |
| 23:42.34 | MegaByte | chealer: What packages does sarge come with? Are they bugfixed? |
| 23:42.37 | resiak | Xsquared: Why would you want to? |
| 23:42.45 | thingfish | no updates for sid yet today? |
| 23:42.56 | cureless | MegaByte: lots and sort of. |
| 23:42.57 | chealer | MegaByte: what do you mean exactly by bugfixed? |
| 23:42.58 | Xsquared | resiak: because mail is BLOODY PISSING ME OFF and i want to start again. |
| 23:43.01 | Apocalypse2012 | does synaptic come with woody? |
| 23:43.01 | chealer | !tell MegaByte about pdo |
| 23:43.04 | chealer | I must leave |
| 23:43.05 | resiak | Xsquared: "mail"? |
| 23:43.06 | chealer | Apocalypse2012: yes |
| 23:43.13 | Apocalypse2012 | TY |
| 23:43.13 | Xsquared | resiak: ... postfix |
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| 23:43.44 | jewbuntu | hey helix, <3 |
| 23:43.46 | fhffhqvb | helix: please get rid of jewbuntu aka kawfee |
| 23:43.50 | MegaByte | chealer: I ask if the packages on testing get fixed as well as the stable branch |
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| 23:43.53 | Apocalypse2012 | Is having serious mouse problems a known problem in Debian? |
| 23:43.53 | jewbuntu | I am not kawfee |
| 23:43.53 | helix | ok |
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| 23:44.09 | fhffhqvb | ktnx. |
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| 23:44.20 | kbrooks | i wonder what he did |
| 23:44.27 | kbrooks | what did he so? |
| 23:44.29 | kbrooks | do* |
| 23:44.31 | asg | kbrooks: loooonnng story |
| 23:44.37 | kbrooks | sum it up |
| 23:44.50 | dondelelcaro | kbrooks: look at your scrollback for GNAA |
| 23:44.59 | kbrooks | LOL |
| 23:45.02 | kbrooks | gnaa |
| 23:45.03 | asg | kbrooks: look at his user name |
| 23:45.06 | resiak | Xsquared: What have you done to it to warrent reinstalling? |
| 23:45.07 | kbrooks | i saw a gnaa site |
| 23:45.07 | bucky | kbrooks, he's a walking racial slur |
| 23:45.08 | Apocalypse2012 | How can I get my USB mouse to work? |
| 23:45.09 | Xsquared | kbrooks: ubuntu logo ... black sexy man |
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| 23:45.16 | asg | bucky: he goes well beyond slur |
| 23:45.22 | bucky | yep |
| 23:45.43 | Xsquared | so ... how do i reinstall all the default files for a package? |
| 23:45.54 | resiak | Xsquared: You mean the configuration files? |
| 23:45.58 | fhffhqvb | !tell Xsquared about repeating |
| 23:46.00 | Xsquared | exactly |
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| 23:46.27 | Xsquared | fhffhqvb: don't you like me :'-( |
| 23:46.34 | MegaByte | All right. How many CDs do I need for a minimum working Debian system? |
| 23:46.36 | fhffhqvb | Xsquared: nope. |
| 23:46.42 | MegaByte | Does debian testing support ext3? |
| 23:46.45 | resiak | Xsquared: apt-get remove --purge package; apt-get install package. |
| 23:46.47 | resiak | MegaByte: Of course. |
| 23:46.47 | Xsquared | fhffhqvb: :'-( i like you. |
| 23:46.48 | mdke | stew, still here by any chance? |
| 23:46.49 | buhb0 | in my apache2 server, where is the folder it stores the site on by default? |
| 23:47.01 | resiak | buhb0: /var/www |
| 23:47.06 | MegaByte | resiak: good. :) |
| 23:47.07 | resiak | buhb0: cd /etc/apache2; look around. |
| 23:47.08 | _wrs | streuner: ...but the page doesn't have a Woody pppoe (kernel driver) howto. Hence I get stuck with that again. And, as I said before I used the debian config tool. I didn't do it by hand, therefore the update worked the way the package would normally do. During the installation i wasn't queried to make any decision. It just updated and fine (or not fine, as said before). |
| 23:47.15 | streuner | _wrs: i setup with this website two PPP connections for 2 different ISP's, the HOWTO's worked for me always very good |
| 23:47.17 | Apocalypse2012 | streuner, ok cool |
| 23:47.29 | MegaByte | resiak: But how many cds do I need for getting a usable (desktop) Debian system? |
| 23:47.37 | Xsquared | resiak: i can't do that or it'll remove sql, all my mail tool etc cause it depends on a mailserver. |
| 23:47.40 | MegaByte | There are 11cds there |
| 23:47.42 | resiak | MegaByte: The first, or just the netinst. |
| 23:47.45 | resiak | Xsquared: So? |
| 23:47.49 | resiak | Xsquared: You reinstall them# |
| 23:47.53 | resiak | Xsquared: There is a switch |
| 23:47.57 | resiak | Xsquared: But I have forgotten it. |
| 23:48.00 | markmrd | Blissex: ok, basically if I connect my usb media card reader (ie SD memory reader) with the SD memory inserted into it then I get a /dev/sda and /dev/sda1 special file and all is good, however if I connect the device without the SD memory inserted I only get the /dev/sda file, if I insert the SD memory the /dev/sda1 directory does not appear, so I was trying to find the command that would tell the kernel to look again at all conected devices |
| 23:48.01 | resiak | !tell me -about enter |
| 23:48.10 | Xsquared | resiak: no, i don't want to do that. |
| 23:48.19 | MegaByte | resiak: the net installer is pretty slow and it's harder to recover from a crash |
| 23:48.20 | markmrd | If I connect my usb media card reader (ie SD memory reader) with the SD memory inserted into it then I get a /dev/sda and /dev/sda1 special file and all is good, however if I connect the device without the SD memory inserted I only get the /dev/sda file, if I insert the SD memory the /dev/sda1 directory does not appear, so I was trying to find the command that would tell the kernel to look again at all conected devices, does anyone know what that it? |
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| 23:48.33 | Apocalypse2012 | will apt-get install hotplug work? |
| 23:48.43 | resiak | MegaByte: Sure, so get CD1. It's got most everything. |
| 23:48.55 | shingouz | Apocalypse2012: it should |
| 23:49.00 | resiak | !confmiss |
| 23:49.00 | dpkg | the reason you have to use dpkg --force-confmiss is because whenever your config files are gone, dpkg assumes you deleted them on purpose, and that you want them to stay deleted. You can also reinstall them using the following apt-get line: apt-get -o DPkg::Options="--force-confmiss" --reinstall install <packagename> |
| 23:49.01 | streuner | _wrs: Don't /msg me |
| 23:49.05 | MegaByte | resiak: Does it include development tools, KDE, gtk and gnome compatibility libs? |
| 23:49.06 | resiak | Xsquared: && |
| 23:49.08 | resiak | Xsquared: ^^ |
| 23:49.15 | streuner | ! tell _wrs about msg |
| 23:49.17 | Apocalypse2012 | ok then i will try |
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| 23:49.22 | resiak | MegaByte: *shrug* It includes the most commonly installed packages. |
| 23:49.26 | _wrs | streuner: sorry |
| 23:49.26 | Slyboots | Can anyone suggest a good few network style games on Debian? |
| 23:49.39 | Slyboots | I'm trying to build my own sort of IP/TCP based BBS :) |
| 23:49.44 | Apocalypse2012 | everquest 2 |
| 23:49.46 | Apocalypse2012 | LOL |
| 23:49.47 | phogg | Slyboots: multiplayer network games? |
| 23:49.49 | Kerr | armagetron ^.^ |
| 23:49.49 | MegaByte | resiak: I'm asking so I can plan how many cds I'll need |
| 23:50.00 | Slyboots | Well, Text based primarly :) |
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| 23:50.06 | Apocalypse2012 | see ya |
| 23:50.16 | shingouz | Apocalypse2012: sec |
| 23:50.29 | Slyboots | Can anyone give a few suggetsions? |
| 23:50.33 | resiak | MegaByte: *shrug* |
| 23:50.47 | streuner | _wrs: the HOWTO's works from the website like a charm, if you using woody, sarge or sid |
| 23:50.50 | phogg | Slyboots: dopewars |
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| 23:51.00 | Kerr | Slyboots: I could hand you a railgun? |
| 23:51.05 | buhb0 | if i want to run apache on an old server should i turn MaxRequestPerChild down? |
| 23:51.09 | Slyboots | Oh fuck, its you :P |
| 23:51.13 | Kerr | who? |
| 23:51.19 | Slyboots | Are you following me about or something Kerr |
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| 23:51.27 | _wrs | streuner: well, fine *giving up* |
| 23:51.32 | Slyboots | Dopewars eh.. |
| 23:51.36 | Kerr | Slyboots: been here forever. you're the stalker. |
| 23:51.50 | Kerr | though if you realy want a railgun, i could send you the pack0.pk3 file. |
| 23:52.00 | streuner | _wrs: to tell you the truth, i have no idea how to set that up in antoher way ;-) |
| 23:52.01 | cureless | buhb0: try it out first with the current setting, see how it performs. |
| 23:52.09 | buhb0 | ok |
| 23:52.17 | Slyboots | Well I can try dopewars, but any other suggetions :) |
| 23:52.21 | buhb0 | although all i have is 32k memory |
| 23:52.26 | resiak | Slyboots: Freeciv. Use apt-cache search. |
| 23:52.26 | buhb0 | 32mb |
| 23:52.28 | Slyboots | Is there anything along the lines of "Legand of the red Dragon" |
| 23:52.45 | streuner | _wrs: get an hardware-router |
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| 23:53.19 | Kerr | Slyboots: can't say i play many network games aside from armagetron :-/ |
| 23:53.50 | Slyboots | *nods* I idealy want to run a system where the only required software is a telnet/ssh client |
| 23:53.57 | phogg | Slyboots: try tornado. It's simple and curses and IIRC supports network play |
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| 23:54.21 | Slyboots | Ack, its not in apt.. |
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| 23:54.27 | Kerr | Slyboots: Or you could just telnet to some mud or other ? |
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| 23:54.38 | yonkeltron | GOOD SHABBOS!!! (and passover) |
| 23:54.46 | FieldySnuts | er |
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| 23:54.52 | _wrs | streuner: yes. But i know how to use pppoe-config. It leads me through the process of setting up pppoe. I did this several times on different computers. Therefore i assume it normally does it fine. I didn't re-run pppoe-config before the problem happend, therefore this shouldn't be a common config problem. And, a hardware router wouldn't help at all, if the network card cannot be accosted |
| 23:55.08 | crpire | hi |
| 23:55.15 | _wrs | hi crpire |
| 23:55.49 | karamelos | how can I disable boot time IDE interface probin? it delays my boot too much. |
| 23:55.49 | phogg | Slyboots: I made a deb for tornado once... it's crap, but it installed. |
| 23:55.55 | Slyboots | hehe |
| 23:56.14 | Slyboots | Im just looking for a few server-games to run, experment that sort of thing |
| 23:56.23 | mdke | does anyone know what the error "no owner name" means, in bind? pleeeease! |
| 23:56.58 | crpire | nadie habla español?? |
| 23:57.07 | caphuso | !es |
| 23:57.07 | dpkg | Hispanohablantes: Por favor usen #debian-es, alli obtendran mas ayuda. Spanish Speakers: Please use #debian-es, there you will get much more help. |
| 23:57.09 | phogg | Slyboots: found the deb if you want it. I see a network.c in the source. |
| 23:57.11 | karamelos | crpire, proba en el canal #debian-es |
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| 23:57.30 | Slyboots | Nah, its okay |
| 23:57.33 | crpire | ok |
| 23:57.34 | streuner | _wrs: http://debiananwenderhandbuch.de/internet.html#id1007317 |
| 23:57.35 | Slyboots | Thanks anyway though |
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| 23:58.07 | streuner | _wrs: might help, as i said, i set that stuff up via adsl4linux... |
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