| 00:00.08 | pipeline | furrywolf: (not to mention that the RFC, like most of its kind, doesn't exactly specify failure modes) |
| 00:00.27 | cloaked_ | like find / -name (.png|.jpg) |
| 00:00.38 | cloaked_ | obviously that won't work but that's the idea |
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| 00:00.51 | astronut | cloaked_: does find do regep? |
| 00:00.54 | jim | cloaked_: -rname might work |
| 00:00.57 | furrywolf | pipeline: don't forget that according to rfc, a { is an uppercase [, and should be considered that way when comparing nicks. :) |
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| 00:01.08 | furrywolf | or the other way around |
| 00:01.11 | furrywolf | I don't remember which |
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| 00:01.27 | jim | cloaked_: if not... -name "*.png" -o -name "*.jpg" |
| 00:01.32 | astronut | -name *.(jpg|png) |
| 00:01.37 | furrywolf | I haven't been a services coder for about 5 years. :) |
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| 00:02.03 | astronut | furrywolf: i'd assume [ is lowercase, since { is shifted |
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| 00:02.32 | pipeline | furrywolf: I never knew that. |
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| 00:02.55 | cloaked_ | jim- the second one works |
| 00:02.57 | Pendrag0n | cool, I think I got it working. We'll see |
| 00:03.00 | cloaked_ | what does rname do? |
| 00:03.22 | furrywolf | pipeline: I wrote services for a network... at one point my sig was "You KNOW you're on IRC too much when you give yourself C/N lines and telnet in as a TS3 compliant server..." |
| 00:03.27 | jim | cloaked_: see man find; I'm thinking regexp |
| 00:04.08 | cloaked_ | i can't find -rname |
| 00:04.19 | jim | hmm, maybe find doesn't have that |
| 00:04.20 | liable | i got an email with this in it , looks like some sort of malicious crap, any ideas? $B!z;HMQ$7$F$_$F!V$3$l$O!*!W$H;W$C$FD:$$$?J}$N$_!VM-NA!W$X$*?J$_2<$5$$!#(B |
| 00:04.22 | cloaked_ | but -regex is an option |
| 00:04.39 | cloaked_ | the only difference is -name strips preceding directories |
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| 00:04.48 | jim | liable: that's liable to be spam or some virus |
| 00:05.11 | akhayyat | any idea why jigdo files are not updated anymore? |
| 00:05.16 | K_ | jim, nice pun |
| 00:05.20 | furrywolf | liable: probably a virus. some made use of broken mime structure to get by virus scanners. |
| 00:05.21 | K_ | i almost didn't realize it |
| 00:05.21 | K_ | XP |
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| 00:05.34 | liable | jim: thought it might be, thanks |
| 00:05.40 | user1 | hey guys guest what i was watching 24 and they were using linux on the windows there was a column that said root root root root how di take a screenshot printscrn dontwork with moving video does it? |
| 00:05.41 | Pendrag0n | nope the damn thing keeps running every minute |
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| 00:05.51 | Pendrag0n | damn, how the hell do I get it to run every hour on the hour |
| 00:05.51 | user1 | fox tv show 24 |
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| 00:06.11 | maher | Pendrag0n: what is your crontab line |
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| 00:06.23 | Pendrag0n | 0 */1 * * * /usr/local/webware/instance/core/CronJobs/tasks_cron.py |
| 00:06.23 | akhayyat | guys, any idea why jigdo files are not updated anymore? |
| 00:06.30 | furrywolf | user1: please re-write that sentance using punctution and some form of structure. |
| 00:06.39 | jim | user1: how was linux being used in the show? |
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| 00:06.59 | user1 | on a cpu and on a column it said root root root |
| 00:07.10 | user1 | it looks like kde |
| 00:07.15 | cloaked_ | jim- also I am doing it in a script so I am trying to have it find everything ending in elements from $FILE_TYPES |
| 00:07.16 | jim | user1: why did it appear on the show? |
| 00:07.17 | ding | I'm having trouble on sid with the nvidia drivers. Anyone else have a version mismatch problem? |
| 00:07.33 | user1 | i gues they use it on their cpus |
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| 00:07.54 | Pendrag0n | maher: isn't that suppose to be every hour? |
| 00:07.56 | jim | user1: so the fact of their using it didn't factor into the story? |
| 00:08.14 | user1 | they were looking at critical data like always |
| 00:08.19 | user1 | for some info |
| 00:08.35 | jim | did any characters say "linux"? |
| 00:08.49 | user1 | no, but how do i take a screenshot |
| 00:08.51 | Phated | On a drama. Hahahaha. It looks as though it were a top output. "Critical data"... |
| 00:08.54 | maher | Pendrag0n: what about 0 1 * * * |
| 00:09.14 | Pendrag0n | wouldn't that be 1 am? |
| 00:09.16 | furrywolf | 0 * * * * is every hour, no? |
| 00:09.18 | akhayyat | guys, any idea why jigdo files are not updated anymore? |
| 00:09.20 | Pendrag0n | I want it to do it every hour |
| 00:09.34 | maher | Pendrag0n: sorry 0 * * * * is every hour |
| 00:09.36 | Pendrag0n | I don't know lol |
| 00:09.40 | Pendrag0n | o |
| 00:09.46 | Pendrag0n | Ok, I'll try that |
| 00:09.55 | jim | Pendrag0n: check man cron or man 5 crontab |
| 00:10.05 | maher | Pendrag0n: look in the default /etc.crontab... |
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| 00:10.15 | SPEEDing|V\oNK | test |
| 00:10.24 | user1 | wat do i use to take a screenshot in a video on linux? |
| 00:10.27 | Pendrag0n | I have been there are a lot of weird ones on this system |
| 00:10.28 | green_earz | akhayyat: i have been waiting as well its been a couple of weeks now |
| 00:10.38 | jim | SPEEDing|V\oNK: nope, we can't hear you |
| 00:10.45 | FieldySnuts | engrish? screenshot OF a video? or a screenshot, in video? |
| 00:10.49 | Pendrag0n | u know, like */2 0 * 12 * |
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| 00:10.56 | Pendrag0n | things that just confuse the hell out of me |
| 00:11.02 | FieldySnuts | jim: he was here last week doing the same shit. best to ignore. |
| 00:11.02 | user1 | <PROTECTED> |
| 00:11.09 | SPEEDing|V\oNK | ... |
| 00:11.09 | jim | Pendrag0n: man cron |
| 00:11.11 | user1 | <PROTECTED> |
| 00:11.14 | akhayyat | green_earz:the problem is that packges listed in the current jigdo are no longer available on primary mirrors |
| 00:11.24 | jim | FieldySnuts: which? |
| 00:11.26 | FieldySnuts | i imagine when you take the screenshot, you get a blue square. you have to get whatever is playing it to use the x11 driver, and not xv or sdl or something else |
| 00:11.37 | FieldySnuts | with mplayer that's mplayer -vo x11 |
| 00:11.39 | Phated | You can use xine or gxine. |
| 00:11.40 | user1 | ohhh |
| 00:11.40 | FieldySnuts | anything else, i just don't know |
| 00:11.41 | maher | Pendrag0n: man 5 crontab |
| 00:11.42 | furrywolf | user1: why not just take a screenshot the same way you take any other screenshot? just make sure mplayer uses -vo x11 |
| 00:11.47 | user1 | yeh i get the blue screen |
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| 00:11.59 | user1 | i use kaffene |
| 00:11.59 | FieldySnuts | yeah make it use x11 driver temporarily |
| 00:12.04 | user1 | kaffeine |
| 00:12.04 | Ninjai | if i have alot of files named tnnumber.jpg |
| 00:12.04 | Phated | Just hit T in xine and Ctrl-S in gxine. |
| 00:12.08 | maher | Pendrag0n: / means increment |
| 00:12.13 | FieldySnuts | @badger Phated |
| 00:12.19 | FieldySnuts | ravenbird: hi |
| 00:12.19 | ravenbird | hola |
| 00:12.22 | FieldySnuts | heh |
| 00:12.24 | Phated | *bite* FieldySnuts. |
| 00:12.26 | FieldySnuts | ow!! |
| 00:12.30 | directhex | !dachs Phated |
| 00:12.31 | dpkg | Phated: Dachs Dachs Dachs Dachs Dachs Dachs Pilz Pilz Dachs Dachs Dachs Dachs Dachs Schlange! Eine Schlange! |
| 00:12.32 | Ninjai | i want to keep the same name but after the tn i want to add _ like tn_number |
| 00:12.37 | Phated | FieldySnuts: *bitebite* |
| 00:12.37 | FieldySnuts | heh. |
| 00:12.45 | FieldySnuts | getoff! |
| 00:12.47 | Phated | Ninjai: rename. |
| 00:12.52 | Phated | FieldySnuts: bitebitebite. ;) |
| 00:12.54 | cloaked_ | if you have nested `<command>` statements will they be expanded outward? |
| 00:13.00 | FieldySnuts | always have to push it heh |
| 00:13.04 | Ninjai | Phated alot of files, thereis a way using sed i think |
| 00:13.09 | cloaked_ | or will it just parse it left to right and look for pairs |
| 00:13.10 | Pendrag0n | ah I overlooked something in man 5 cron |
| 00:13.12 | user1 | how would i make it use the x11 driver temporary on kaffeine? |
| 00:13.13 | Phated | Ninjai: As in, man rename. |
| 00:13.14 | Pendrag0n | I just found my answer |
| 00:13.16 | Pendrag0n | thanks |
| 00:13.17 | green_earz | akhayyat: last update for sarge 23-Mar-2005 > |
| 00:13.19 | Pendrag0n | cool |
| 00:13.22 | Pendrag0n | ok, I'm out |
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| 00:13.27 | FieldySnuts | anyway i feel like shit mentally, bye |
| 00:13.29 | Pendrag0n | thanks everyone |
| 00:13.30 | jim | Pendrag0n: you did?! how? |
| 00:13.30 | Xenguy | Ninjai: krename will likely work too |
| 00:13.34 | Phated | Ninjai: As in use the command rename. |
| 00:13.39 | Phated | FieldySnuts: Get well. |
| 00:13.44 | FieldySnuts | :| |
| 00:13.44 | Pendrag0n | o, it was above the examples |
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| 00:14.00 | jim | examples from what? |
| 00:14.01 | Pendrag0n | i didn't catch it, like in the legend or key or whatever you call that thing |
| 00:14.10 | Pendrag0n | lol the line above the examples |
| 00:14.22 | Pendrag0n | in the man page, I read it yesterday, but just missed that lin |
| 00:14.23 | scarynetworkguy | Ninjai: You should be able to script that pretty easily. Take a look at the Bash how to on http://www.tldp.org |
| 00:14.24 | Pendrag0n | line* |
| 00:14.42 | jim | oh, the -man page-... |
| 00:14.45 | scarynetworkguy | Ninjai: Just a loop using rename should do the trick. |
| 00:14.51 | Pendrag0n | cya's |
| 00:14.51 | user1 | i wonder if they have fraps for linux, so i can take screenshots in video |
| 00:14.52 | Ninjai | how |
| 00:14.56 | jim | tricky! |
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| 00:15.26 | scarynetworkguy | Ninjai: I'd do it with a Bash script. You're gonna have to read though to learn how to do that. |
| 00:15.27 | sched | man -k <string> |
| 00:15.37 | Phated | ... xine or gxine. You surely don't require it to be explained twice. |
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| 00:16.14 | Ninjai | scarynetworkguy just give me the command if u know |
| 00:16.18 | Phated | Ninjai: *blatant spoonfeeding* $ rename s/tn/tn_/ tn* |
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| 00:17.08 | furrywolf | brb, hunting up dinner. :) |
| 00:17.11 | scarynetworkguy | Ninjai: What Phated said. Now just stick it in a script and use a loop to increment the number. |
| 00:17.42 | Phated | You don't even need the loop. He says he just wants to insert an underscore in the name. |
| 00:17.51 | scarynetworkguy | Ahhh. My bad. |
| 00:18.09 | Ninjai | yeah |
| 00:18.15 | green_earz | akhayyat: are the .iso you have updated with 23-Mar-2005 jigdo file. if so its sit back and wait a while. i have notest that the updates a getting a lot packages. i would say thats good news. |
| 00:19.22 | Ninjai | thanks Phated |
| 00:19.26 | Ninjai | thats it |
| 00:19.35 | Phated | Ninjai: Learn to read in future. |
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| 00:21.07 | naoliv | Is it possible to get a package and the source code from the new queue, if I am not a DD? |
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| 00:22.21 | ArielMT | anyone know how i get my dell notebook to turn off the backlight when the blanking screensaver kicks in? or after a configurable period of inactivity? (mostly stock simplymepis [debian sarge based] install) |
| 00:22.38 | Boyette | why is there no macromedia shockwave available for debian? |
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| 00:23.52 | kingsley | Would anyone here be willing to share their magicfilter configuration file for a color postscript printer? |
| 00:23.53 | tuxmaster | can i ask a apache question in here |
| 00:24.17 | Boyette | tons of halfway educated people in #apache |
| 00:24.53 | jim | Boyette: oh, good :) ask there |
| 00:25.05 | tuxmaster | ok thanks for the place |
| 00:25.09 | chealer | Boyette: it's a linux in general problem, AFAIK |
| 00:25.25 | Boyette | more of a just wondering |
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| 00:25.57 | Boyette | seemed like someone would find someway to play shockwaves |
| 00:25.57 | chealer | I think I've seen petitions about that :) |
| 00:26.03 | FieldySnuts | ew |
| 00:26.14 | chealer | there must be some information about that somewhere |
| 00:26.15 | ArielMT | http://macromedia.mplug.org/ |
| 00:26.19 | jim | Boyette: I installed flash recently and got it to work |
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| 00:26.39 | jim | more recently, I disabled it |
| 00:26.55 | Boyette | shockwave and flash are kind of different :/ |
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| 00:27.18 | chealer | dpkg: are you dead? |
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| 00:27.37 | jim | Boyette: so it's not flash you want? |
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| 00:27.47 | Boyette | no, flash works fine |
| 00:27.49 | zbrown | whats the name of the X cli config tool in Sarge? |
| 00:27.57 | chealer | !drxx zbrown |
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| 00:28.09 | user1 | does anyone have any succcess in getting steam to run on linux? |
| 00:28.10 | zbrown | hmmm no dice |
| 00:28.11 | Fouad | hi, I have a woody, and I want to install j2sdk1.4 package. But it needs libc6 >= 2.3.2.ds1-4, but I have the last version of woody. I think this version is for sarge or seed. and I don't want to migrate my debian to sarge or seed. Must I install a new version of libc6 or there is another way? |
| 00:28.12 | chealer | zbrown: dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xfree86 |
| 00:28.18 | zbrown | danke |
| 00:28.27 | jim | then we're in the same spot (except I'm not presently interested in shockwave atm; in fact I disabled flash for now) |
| 00:28.28 | chealer | dpkg: come back! |
| 00:28.58 | Sophistication | user1, cs? |
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| 00:29.01 | Boyette | more or less to play an email :) not a big deal just wanted it |
| 00:29.24 | user1 | yeh source |
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| 00:29.29 | jim | hope you trust the sender :) |
| 00:29.31 | chealer | Fouad: FYI, "seed" (unstable) is actually sid |
| 00:29.34 | user1 | counter strike source |
| 00:29.39 | FieldySnuts | as if |
| 00:29.50 | Hara_ | have anyone used qtparted??? |
| 00:30.06 | chealer | yes!!! |
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| 00:30.30 | Hara_ | ever crashed? |
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| 00:30.45 | jim | no, but I've gone to sleep before |
| 00:30.46 | chealer | Hara_: how would I remember? |
| 00:30.48 | Fouad | chealer : oh yes, sorry :p |
| 00:30.48 | Sophistication | user1, I've heard alota people having great success with steam lately with cedega |
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| 00:31.19 | user1 | i will have to look into it |
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| 00:32.07 | chealer | dondelelcaro: alert! dpkg is gone! |
| 00:32.14 | yak | wow we have a beowulf cluster here! |
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| 00:32.52 | jim | kingsley: some do, some don't |
| 00:33.29 | kingsley | jim: OK, thanks. |
| 00:33.29 | jim | they used to need a ps rom in a cartridge |
| 00:33.44 | directhex | user1, counterstrike source is fine via cedega 4.3.1 |
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| 00:34.39 | user1 | rkool i will have to try |
| 00:34.48 | MuWu | How do I set correct JAVA HOME path? keep getting can find could not find libjava.so error. |
| 00:34.56 | directhex | user1, buckets of ram and an nvidia fx series or higher recommended |
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| 00:35.17 | user1 | y is it slower on cedega ? |
| 00:35.20 | user1 | alot? |
| 00:35.38 | kingsley | jim: Do yo uuse magicfilter? |
| 00:35.43 | kingsley | s/uuse/use/ |
| 00:35.44 | directhex | it's playable, as long as you have lots of ram. and an nvidia. |
| 00:36.11 | user1 | its playable on my windows partition, so im guessing ill play a lil slower? |
| 00:36.17 | chealer | directhex: more than you'd need at redmond? |
| 00:36.17 | abonilla | MuWu, how did you install Java? are you talking about the jre or looking glass? |
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| 00:36.29 | eraser` | how do I mount my usb pen drive in debian? |
| 00:36.40 | directhex | chealer, more ram, yes. overall frameartes are slower, but playable |
| 00:36.41 | abonilla | eraser`, which version? |
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| 00:36.45 | eraser` | I always used to mount /dev/sda or the like |
| 00:36.51 | eraser` | 2.6.10 |
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| 00:36.56 | abonilla | eraser`, debian versiuon |
| 00:36.59 | directhex | chealer, valve's CEO being ex microsoft, and having Ms shares, is a good reason for their anti-linux policy |
| 00:37.04 | eraser` | oh, sarge |
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| 00:37.18 | chealer | directhex: uR :/ |
| 00:37.30 | abonilla | eraser`, ahh, maybe it's already automounting into /media ? Sid does that. |
| 00:37.35 | chealer | I play America's Army...too bad it sucks |
| 00:37.39 | eraser` | hm I'll check |
| 00:37.43 | directhex | chealer, neverball! |
| 00:38.03 | chealer | directhex: yeah, I finished that one though. but I still play it to improve my scores :) |
| 00:38.07 | naoliv | What is the minimum disk space to a Sarge install, with graphical ambient and basic stuff? |
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| 00:38.19 | MuWu | abonilla, through SunĀ“s website..the latest one Binary version. |
| 00:38.23 | abonilla | naoliv, gnome or window maker? |
| 00:38.25 | directhex | chealer, okay, how about ut2004? |
| 00:38.37 | naoliv | abonilla: WM |
| 00:38.38 | abonilla | MuWu, use java-package. |
| 00:38.42 | kittonian_ | to add something to sysctl.conf do I need to type in the entire line like this: sysctl -w fs.file-max=16384 |
| 00:38.47 | user1 | is steam and cs was built natively for linux, do you think it would perform even better than its native windows counterpart????? |
| 00:38.49 | abonilla | naoliv, probably 700MB? |
| 00:38.53 | user1 | if* |
| 00:38.56 | kittonian_ | or do I just add the line like this: fs.file-max=16384 |
| 00:39.14 | abonilla | !tell MuWu about java-package |
| 00:39.14 | MuWu | abonilla, you mean get java-package by apt-get? |
| 00:39.19 | naoliv | abonilla: Hmm... good. Yes, I thought something about that too. Thanks. |
| 00:39.27 | chealer | directhex: oh yeah I bought it. but the gameplay is different. anyway, I don't think it's so bad that my gaming choice is limited...that limits my PC use to 24 hours a day :) |
| 00:39.29 | abonilla | MuWu, if you are in Sid, yes. |
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| 00:39.46 | directhex | user1, i expect it would have a lower overall framerate but stay smoother (few framerate dips), which is the common behaviour of linux games compared to windows games |
| 00:39.56 | MuWu | I already have the latest version, but it seems I need a correct path.. |
| 00:40.25 | directhex | user1, cs 1.6 would be an afternoon's work to port, it's cross-platform-friendly opengl based on the already-on-linux quake 1 engine. hl2's source engine is designed specifically to be unportable |
| 00:40.33 | Wyzard | MuWu: If you have java-package installed, read "man make-jpkg" |
| 00:40.40 | abonilla | MuWu, well, then add it. |
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| 00:41.07 | user1 | im curiouse |
| 00:41.19 | user1 | bu i would take a lil fps drop for smoothness |
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| 00:41.25 | user1 | but* |
| 00:41.49 | directhex | user1, you could complain to valve, but they'd just ignore you. they are an ati-linux company |
| 00:41.51 | directhex | *anti |
| 00:41.53 | Agrajag- | does anyone happen to know of a sort of longer term process monitor than top? my loads have been higher than normal recently, but it seems that it's not just one process that is using the cpu - it seems like it's a couple that use the cpu for a couple of seconds each minute or so |
| 00:41.56 | Wyzard | directhex: HL's engine is based in Q1, yes, but very heavily modified... I wouldn't say that being based in Q1 has any influence on its portability anymore |
| 00:42.20 | Agrajag- | so it'd be nice to see somethign like 'in the past 5 minutes, proc x,y,z used the processor a,b,c amount' or something |
| 00:42.38 | directhex | Wyzard, heavily modified in what way, to require ntoskrnl.exe? at worst, directinput and directsound would need some work |
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| 00:42.47 | user1 | i guess were not big enough to make them valve money so we dont exist |
| 00:43.08 | directhex | Wyzard, it's certainly not an ordeal to port, they managed quite well moving it to ps2, dreamcast (canned for political reasons) and mac (canned for political reasons) |
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| 00:43.27 | Wyzard | directhex: OK, then maybe they wrote it portably |
| 00:43.36 | directhex | Wyzard, nah, they bought a portable engine ;P |
| 00:43.45 | Wyzard | directhex: I wasn't saying that it's *not* portable, just that it's not *necessarily* portable by virtue of being based on Q1 |
| 00:43.50 | directhex | and added a few lines from another portable engine as net code |
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| 00:43.56 | xtz[ch] | hi |
| 00:44.04 | directhex | Wyzard, more portable than the source engine though |
| 00:44.30 | Wyzard | directhex: They added a *lot* of their own to the engine... colored lights, OpenGL rather than software rendering, various environmental effects |
| 00:44.39 | DA_ | why is libdb4.2 and libdb3 being installed together? |
| 00:45.03 | abonilla | !ops |
| 00:45.06 | directhex | Wyzard, those sound like changes that really shouldn't affect portability |
| 00:45.18 | Wyzard | DA_: You're installing a package that depends on libdb3, that's all |
| 00:45.24 | abonilla | Where is dpkg? |
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| 00:45.46 | jim | DA_: look at their depends and conflicts |
| 00:46.05 | directhex | Wyzard, it's a moot point. valve _could_ port steam and hl1 and even hl2 to linux if they wanted to. as it stands, they really really don't. and probably never will. |
| 00:46.39 | King_Brad | how would i change a users home directory?? |
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| 00:46.59 | yak | man usermod |
| 00:47.06 | chealer | abonilla: nobody knows. I share your pain |
| 00:47.06 | King_Brad | ty |
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| 00:47.28 | yak | yay! |
| 00:47.34 | yak | he's here! |
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| 00:47.43 | xtz | could anyone help me installing an graphical interface @ debian ? |
| 00:48.08 | yak | You mean running X and a window manager or a Desktop Environment ? |
| 00:48.09 | chealer | xtz: yes, try to give more details |
| 00:48.19 | abonilla | xtz, which one? |
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| 00:48.34 | yak | yeah just type startx and see what pops at ya ;D |
| 00:48.41 | yak | tee hee |
| 00:49.06 | xtz | i tried to install it with apt (apt-get install xfree, x-window-core, ...) when i "startx", it doesnt starts, i have a lot of error msgs that i don't understand |
| 00:49.08 | yak | Or maybe go learn linux :/ |
| 00:49.23 | abonilla | xtz, gnome, kde, wm? |
| 00:49.30 | yak | dude |
| 00:49.32 | xtz | gnome |
| 00:49.46 | yak | his XFree is bitching at him |
| 00:49.48 | yak | isn't it? |
| 00:49.48 | directhex | xtz, apt-get install gnome gdm x-window-system |
| 00:49.51 | abonilla | apt-get install gnome x-window-system gdm xfonts-base |
| 00:49.58 | xtz | i did allready |
| 00:50.09 | xtz | i think i have a problem with my graphic card configuration |
| 00:50.11 | directhex | then you probably set up xfree86 wrong |
| 00:50.19 | abonilla | xtz, apt-get install xserver-xfree86 |
| 00:50.24 | directhex | what's the card, what version of debian? |
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| 00:51.03 | yak | Man I'm soooo tired and soooo want to go out |
| 00:51.11 | yak | Later all you peeps |
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| 00:51.15 | xtz | woody, lastest, ati rage 128 pro |
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| 00:51.34 | chealer | dpkg: we badly need you |
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| 00:51.47 | archpollux | hi peeps |
| 00:51.50 | jim | dpkg: seen dpkg |
| 00:51.50 | archpollux | in kde 3.3, i had the Start new session option when i right-clicked on the desktop, what happened to that in 3.4? i know there's a Switch User one now, but it only shows my current session.. |
| 00:51.50 | dpkg | i haven't seen 'dpkg', jim |
| 00:51.52 | directhex | xtz, i don't support woody. try dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xfree86 and cross your fingers |
| 00:52.04 | abonilla | xtz, apt-get install xserver-xfree86 |
| 00:52.12 | abonilla | it support the rage 28 |
| 00:52.16 | abonilla | 128 |
| 00:52.20 | jim | chealer: hmm, dpkg hasn't been spotted... |
| 00:52.29 | chealer | !beer jim |
| 00:52.31 | MuWu | abonilla, just did the make-jvpk, and installed using dpkg, and then ĀØsource /etc/bash.bashrcĀØ stil getting same error |
| 00:52.42 | directhex | abonilla, if he's already done "<directhex> xtz, apt-get install gnome gdm x-window-system" as he says, what use is "<abonilla> xtz, apt-get install xserver-xfree86"? |
| 00:52.50 | MuWu | BTW, my java environment worked perfectly with fast java, but I need Sun Java. |
| 00:53.02 | abonilla | directhex, who says he already have it installed? |
| 00:53.24 | jim | MuWu: have you read the readmes in the .bins and other places? |
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| 00:53.33 | directhex | abonilla, "<xtz> i did allready" |
| 00:53.42 | xtz | i installed all thoses softwares/packages, i will try to reconfigure it |
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| 00:53.56 | abonilla | directhex, read again please. |
| 00:54.00 | MuWu | jim, which readmeĀ“s? thanks. |
| 00:54.05 | chealer | xtz: have you been told that sarge is better than woody for desktops? |
| 00:54.07 | abonilla | xtz, ok now. Great. |
| 00:54.08 | kingsley | If one is using a printer that recognizes postscript 3 and pcl 6, should plan text files be converted to ps3 or pcl6? |
| 00:54.22 | chealer | archpollux: ask #debian-kde |
| 00:54.25 | csete | Hello. Can anyone help me out with a framebuffer problem? |
| 00:54.41 | directhex | csete, speak |
| 00:54.49 | abonilla | eeww |
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| 00:55.01 | xtz | i know chealer, but i have only woody installed on my computers |
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| 00:55.05 | jim | MuWu: any and all which are applicable to your situation. You're welcome. |
| 00:55.10 | xtz | and i just need gnome for some tests |
| 00:55.23 | MuWu | jim, ah, I read a lot of online guides, and mail archieves.. :( |
| 00:55.35 | csete | I'm trying to load radeonfb. I get vesafb instead. I can remove vesafb and add radeonfb using modprobe just fine, but a reboot loses it. |
| 00:55.49 | abonilla | xtz, Woddy does support the rage |
| 00:55.52 | directhex | csete, why exactly are you opposed to vesafb? |
| 00:56.22 | cafuego | directhex: vesafb is 1) slow and 2) interferes with X. |
| 00:56.27 | csete | I want to use radeon for AdvanceMame... My understanding is radeonfb is better for that use? |
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| 00:56.33 | chealer | csete: put a module in /etc/modules to load it at boot |
| 00:56.52 | jim | or do it with modconf |
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| 00:57.03 | directhex | cafuego, it interferes with x? news to me, been using it for about a year with no issues |
| 00:57.04 | MuWu | I guess..the reason why I want to upgrade from fastjava to regular java is because it seems fastjava doesn allow rebuilding of index in jarÅ |
| 00:57.12 | xtz | i there any file with all errors msgs from X11 ? |
| 00:57.28 | chealer | xtz: /var/log/XFree... |
| 00:57.28 | ArielMT | ~/.xsession-errors |
| 00:57.29 | apt | rumour has it, /.xsession-errors is quite common |
| 00:57.31 | jim | man X? |
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| 00:57.34 | csete | If I get the module loaded, will the "video" line then be recognized correctly? |
| 00:57.37 | chealer | oops |
| 00:57.38 | cafuego | directhex: I've had issues on and off with X when vesafb (and radeonfb) have been enabled; notably out-of-sync issues when switching between X and the console. |
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| 00:58.01 | ArielMT | anyone know how i get my dell notebook to turn off the backlight when the blanking screensaver kicks in? or after a configurable period of inactivity? (mostly stock simplymepis [debian sarge based] install) |
| 00:58.03 | cafuego | directhex: As in: the screen decides the signal is out of range when I switch. |
| 00:58.07 | MuWu | I want to join #java, but it wonĀ“t let me..saying I need to INDENTIFY.. but I already have identd running |
| 00:58.15 | directhex | csete, http://www.faqs.org/docs/Linux-HOWTO/Framebuffer-HOWTO.html#ss5.6 |
| 00:58.16 | xtz | thx |
| 00:58.19 | cafuego | !identify |
| 00:58.21 | jim | in the X case I'm thinking he wants a list of all possible error messages and what they mean |
| 00:58.27 | cafuego | !register |
| 00:58.30 | MuWu | !identify |
| 00:58.45 | cafuego | MuWu: /msg nickserv help - follow the prompts. |
| 00:58.46 | undertow | MuWu, /msg nickserv register |
| 00:58.47 | csete | directhex: Yeah... Looked at that. It is quite out of date at this point. |
| 00:58.59 | MuWu | <PROTECTED> |
| 00:59.01 | csete | directhex: Thanks for the pointer though. |
| 00:59.05 | spyroux_ | how can I submit a new package ? do I have to report it as a bug ? |
| 00:59.05 | directhex | csete, http://thesapphirecat.iwarp.com/present/program/radeonfb.html |
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| 00:59.23 | undertow | MuWu, w/out the space in front ;) |
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| 00:59.33 | MuWu | thanks |
| 00:59.33 | csete | I will give /etc/modules a try and see if that get it going |
| 00:59.34 | MuWu | I am in.. |
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| 01:00.15 | xtz | at xfree configuration, should i enable framebuffer ? (i had to disable it on an old matrox one...) |
| 01:00.23 | xtz | so, for an ati rage 128 |
| 01:01.18 | chealer | xtz: disable it to be safe |
| 01:01.28 | xtz | ok |
| 01:01.54 | kingsley | What's a good way to send plain text files to a printer that understands postscript 3 and pcl 6? |
| 01:02.10 | markmrd | I am having isses with a USB mass storage device, when I plug it in it is not regonised, no /dev/sdaX files are created. I plug in another mass storage device and that is detected and works? Is anybody familiar with USB devices? |
| 01:02.11 | jim | kingsley: lpr |
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| 01:02.49 | xtz | if i send a log file from xfree, could any one just have a look about it, and say me what's wrong in my config ? |
| 01:03.16 | directhex | xtz, put it up on the web somewhere so multiple people can examine it |
| 01:03.28 | xtz | ok |
| 01:03.51 | cafuego | spyroux_: Subscribe to debian-mentors, find a DD to sponsor you. |
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| 01:05.08 | xtz | so : http://212.254.186.85:81/XFree86.0.log |
| 01:05.18 | spyroux_ | cafuego: oki thanks |
| 01:05.34 | csete | Wooohh... Got radeonfb loaded on boot. Thanks for the help. |
| 01:05.57 | directhex | xtz, how is your mouse plugged in? |
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| 01:06.44 | xtz | in PS/2 port, but passes trough an desktop switch |
| 01:06.58 | directhex | try a different mouse port in the config |
| 01:07.00 | directhex | like /dev/psmouse |
| 01:07.05 | directhex | or whatever |
| 01:07.07 | xtz | ok |
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| 01:07.20 | ArielMT | /dev/psaux? |
| 01:07.33 | directhex | something that smells like idiotic 2002 practice, rather than being logical & sensible |
| 01:07.57 | xtz | how do i lauch the setup again now ? dpkg --reconfigure what ? |
| 01:08.10 | Guerin | !drxx |
| 01:08.10 | dpkg | it has been said that drxx is dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xfree86 # Run it as root! |
| 01:08.21 | xtz | thx |
| 01:09.04 | Gazanfer | hello. i have two physical hdds. one is win xp, and the other is debian. i have grub installed. now i need to remove the devian disk, so i need to uninstall grub too. but i don't know how to restore mbr. (*debian is broken atm *fdisk/mbr does not work in winxp command prompt). |
| 01:10.05 | cafuego | Gazanfer: Boot winXP from CD, enter the recovery console, run 'fixmbr' |
| 01:10.13 | directhex | and/or fixboot |
| 01:10.14 | jim | Gazanfer: the grub is installed on the win disk? |
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| 01:10.37 | Gazanfer | cafuego: i dont have my xp cd atm. |
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| 01:10.58 | jim | Gazanfer: what happens when you try booting it? |
| 01:11.04 | Gazanfer | jim: i really dont know... but if i remove debian disk, grub still tries to load, but gives an error and crashes |
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| 01:11.19 | jim | so don't remove the disk |
| 01:11.23 | bug_code | hi everybody |
| 01:11.26 | jim | then try booting xp |
| 01:11.30 | Gazanfer | jim: now xp is working, but i need to take debian disk to a friend. |
| 01:11.34 | xtz | i'm not sure, for swiss-frech keyboard, fr-ch code ? or ch-fr ? |
| 01:11.53 | jim | so don't remove the disk |
| 01:11.54 | jim | then try booting xp |
| 01:11.55 | cafuego | Gazanfer: Then basically you can't fix it. You need either a running debian system or a winxp cd. if you have neither, you cannot fix the problem. |
| 01:12.00 | Gazanfer | i know, this is not the right channel, but is there any way to recover xp other than cd? |
| 01:12.07 | Gazanfer | oh thx |
| 01:12.11 | tuxmaster | hi i got a qestion about iptables |
| 01:12.22 | tuxmaster | does anyone know the correct place to ask that question |
| 01:12.35 | Guerin | #iptables |
| 01:12.38 | jim | #netfilter or #networking |
| 01:12.43 | Guerin | bizarre as that may seem |
| 01:12.43 | cafuego | Gazanfer: Leave the debian disk in place, boot debian. Install ms-sys; use THAT to fix the MBR on the XP disk. |
| 01:12.44 | jim | or that |
| 01:12.57 | bug_code | I have a question..is best have in computer only stable packages ou unstable too?? |
| 01:13.18 | cafuego | bug_code: stable only. if you mix them, you will make the system unusable. |
| 01:13.19 | jim | bug_code: don't mix. |
| 01:13.23 | directhex | bug_code, if you're asking the question, unstable isn;t for you |
| 01:13.28 | Guerin | bug_code: depends what you want. I'd suggest testing for all but the most critical server machines. |
| 01:13.33 | directhex | bug_code, you could use testing-only, that's okay |
| 01:13.43 | bug_code | :-) |
| 01:13.46 | Guerin | but don't use stable and unstable together, that's just madness |
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| 01:14.23 | bug_code | because when I give apt-setup don't put unstable sources.. |
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| 01:14.41 | jim | right. don't do that on stable. |
| 01:15.04 | jim | are you running stable now? or which? |
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| 01:17.16 | bug_code | stable |
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| 01:17.37 | bug_code | because i only install the basic system |
| 01:17.47 | bug_code | I wanna install gnome now |
| 01:17.52 | jim | bug_code: are you confident in your ability to find, analyse and fix any problem that might come up in your debian installation? |
| 01:18.02 | xtz | at "startx", the screen becomes gray, i have an cross as mouse, but nothing happends |
| 01:18.03 | bug_code | but I give apt-get install gnome and don't find it |
| 01:18.08 | blueboat | what's a program that will take a screenshot of my desktop? |
| 01:18.12 | Phated | xtz: That... would be X. |
| 01:18.14 | jim | you should NOT run unstable until the answer is yes |
| 01:18.22 | Phated | blueboat: scrot. |
| 01:18.23 | xtz | what can i do? |
| 01:18.40 | bug_code | ok |
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| 01:19.03 | Phated | xtz: Install a wm? |
| 01:19.05 | bug_code | i guess that i don't have the link in apt to download gnome |
| 01:19.09 | xtz | yep, gnome |
| 01:19.09 | abonilla | xtz, first choose something else, then you can change it. |
| 01:19.20 | ArielMT | what's the right way to enable sshd in sarge? |
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| 01:19.36 | xtz | abonilla: which one else? |
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| 01:19.36 | Phated | Eh, you start gnome with something else... gnome-session or something, isn't it? |
| 01:19.45 | MuWu | Hmmm. #java folks not much of help... |
| 01:19.48 | directhex | xtz, /etc/init.d/gdm start |
| 01:19.50 | RaCarter | I need help with something |
| 01:20.01 | jim | bug_code: mainly because you'll be in here or on the mailing lists every day asking about that stuff... and they might be things that no one knows about yet, if you run unstable |
| 01:20.03 | MuWu | How can I set right paths for java to execute jar xvf? |
| 01:20.23 | jbm__ | ArielMT my ssh was enabled at install, can you "ssh localhost" |
| 01:20.24 | Delph | MuWu: you go to ubuntu and ask there =::P |
| 01:20.27 | RaCarter | it's in $JAVA_HOME/bin |
| 01:20.28 | jim | updatedb ; locate jar |
| 01:20.40 | Delph | or you set JAVA_HOME to the home of your java installation. |
| 01:20.43 | Phated | Go go gadget bedtime. |
| 01:20.48 | RaCarter | I put that in /etc/profile but for some reason I didn't work until this morning |
| 01:21.01 | RaCarter | it didn't* |
| 01:21.01 | MuWu | Delph, I don have much hope for Ubuntu folks.. |
| 01:21.11 | RaCarter | anyway, I installed enlightenment |
| 01:21.11 | MuWu | Delph, I usually give help in Ubuntu... |
| 01:21.14 | lil_ze | i was running synaptic yesterday, and i did an smart upgrade to update my system, and during the update process exim was being updated, and it made synaptic hang....so i rebooted and now my boot up is getting stuck at synaptic |
| 01:21.16 | jim | MuWu: do you run ubuntu? |
| 01:21.21 | RaCarter | but how do I boot into it, I don't see that option in gdm |
| 01:21.23 | Delph | MuWu: there's a nice package in debian unstable which does it all for you. |
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| 01:21.33 | lil_ze | how do i remove exim if i cannot fully boot up? |
| 01:21.34 | xtz | i can now start gdm.. thanks a lot ;) |
| 01:21.38 | markmrd | anyone know the commands to type to tell Linux you have plugged in a Mass storage USB device, like which drivers to load? |
| 01:21.39 | Delph | However, I don't know how ubuntu set up java (if they do anything, even) |
| 01:21.47 | abonilla | xtz, any english |
| 01:21.54 | RaCarter | I never tried installing java with a package manager |
| 01:22.01 | RaCarter | I always do it straight from sun |
| 01:22.07 | ArielMT | jbm__: no, connection refused. that tells me sshd isn't running. `which sshd` gives me /usr/sbin/sshd |
| 01:22.12 | jim | RaCarter: I did... werks gud |
| 01:22.17 | abonilla | xtz, any franch |
| 01:22.19 | Delph | RaCarter: get java-package out of unstable, and use that -- it packages the sun one for you. |
| 01:22.22 | MuWu | Delph, okay. |
| 01:22.22 | abonilla | french |
| 01:22.36 | RaCarter | I don't know, it wasn't that hard to install it manually |
| 01:22.41 | xtz | hm ? |
| 01:22.43 | RaCarter | I prefer it that ways just because I know what's going on |
| 01:22.46 | Delph | RaCarter: but not very version controlled. |
| 01:23.01 | jvw | Delph: it's in testing/sarge too |
| 01:23.07 | Delph | jvw: oh, cool. |
| 01:23.10 | jvw | (java-package), same version |
| 01:23.11 | MuWu | heh.. just hard coded the path in the script... |
| 01:23.13 | tuxmaster | how do you upgrade the kernal |
| 01:23.14 | Delph | it used to be only in ununstable. |
| 01:23.20 | jvw | Delph: that was long time ago |
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| 01:23.26 | Delph | second time it's done that |
| 01:23.27 | jvw | you know, testing evolves :) |
| 01:23.33 | Delph | jvw: lies! |
| 01:23.39 | MuWu | Delph, what package? (though after hard coding it..it works..) |
| 01:23.48 | Delph | one of these days they say it'll evolve into a stable release. |
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| 01:24.00 | Delph | java-package |
| 01:24.02 | MuWu | Also, does anyone know why I have to press Ā“ and ĀØ twice to input under KDE 3.4? ItĀ“s annoying. |
| 01:24.05 | abonilla | tuxmaster, are you asking? |
| 01:24.17 | MuWu | Delph, I already have it..latest version..but you are right, I will reinstall it.. |
| 01:24.19 | Delph | MuWu: you're not outputing quote marks there |
| 01:24.22 | tuxmaster | yes i am asking |
| 01:24.34 | RaCarter | so with sarge, the package name to install is java-common? |
| 01:24.39 | MuWu | Delph, how can I change it? |
| 01:24.41 | jvw | MuWu: us international keyboard |
| 01:24.44 | Phated | Ugh, utf-8 ickiness. |
| 01:24.45 | jvw | MuWu: ditch it |
| 01:24.45 | Delph | you're outputting a diaresis and an accent. |
| 01:24.53 | Delph | jvw: i dunno, i quite like it =:) |
| 01:24.59 | jvw | Delph: err, you're not utf8 ready then |
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| 01:25.09 | MuWu | jvw, change it to something else? |
| 01:25.09 | jvw | RaCarter: java-common is something else |
| 01:25.17 | ArielMT | what's the right way to enable sshd in sarge? |
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| 01:25.18 | jvw | MuWu: yeah, like plain us |
| 01:25.21 | Delph | jvw: not utf-8 ready? |
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| 01:25.36 | tuxmaster | how do you upgrade your kernal |
| 01:25.41 | tuxmaster | or check which kernal you are using |
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| 01:25.47 | RaCarter | what is java-common and what is the package name to install j2se 5.0? |
| 01:25.47 | Delph | i seem able to see that diaresis happily |
| 01:25.50 | abonilla | tuxmaster, depends.. apt-get install kernel-image-2.version.version |
| 01:25.58 | johnga1t | what's the easiest way to see if a package is installed? |
| 01:26.01 | MuWu | Works~! |
| 01:26.02 | abonilla | tuxmaster, uname -ra |
| 01:26.04 | Delph | ĀØ <- one of those looks fine. |
| 01:26.05 | jvw | RaCarter: you want java-package |
| 01:26.14 | trend | i need to compare 2 timestamps and see if they have more than 2minutes appart, how would I do that? |
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| 01:26.15 | MuWu | So what's up with previous keyboard setting? |
| 01:26.20 | abonilla | johnga1t, try to install it again |
| 01:26.21 | RaCarter | I don't really want anything right, I just want to know for future reference |
| 01:26.24 | RaCarter | right now* |
| 01:26.25 | jvw | Delph: sorry, nvm |
| 01:26.28 | Delph | Äu vi Äi tiu legas? |
| 01:26.32 | johnga1t | abonilla: but what if i don't actually want to install it? |
| 01:26.37 | Delph | anyhow, bedtime |
| 01:26.42 | abonilla | johnga1t, cancell the install. |
| 01:26.52 | johnga1t | abonilla: fair enough. thanks. |
| 01:27.00 | yonkeltron | has anyone been able to install debian onto a dell latitude ls from floppies? |
| 01:27.09 | abonilla | johnga1t, you said easiest, not the official one. |
| 01:27.14 | johnga1t | abonilla: :) |
| 01:27.21 | johnga1t | abonilla: is there an "official" one? |
| 01:27.31 | RaCarter | installing java with a package manager will put all the executables in /usr/bin instead of changing the path, right? |
| 01:27.36 | abonilla | johnga1t, I have no idea, maybe dpkg -L or so? |
| 01:27.36 | xtz | when i log in to the graphical interface, the login prompt allways comes back (still graphical mode) |
| 01:27.51 | abonilla | xtz, don't login as root. |
| 01:28.03 | xtz | yep, as my own login, xtz |
| 01:28.04 | abonilla | xtz, or enable root logins in the Configure option. |
| 01:28.07 | xtz | dont works |
| 01:28.13 | abonilla | hhmm |
| 01:28.17 | abonilla | caps on>? |
| 01:28.23 | xtz | no :( |
| 01:28.34 | xtz | if i choose "debian" as session, it works |
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| 01:28.41 | xtz | but if i choose gnome, not |
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| 01:28.43 | abonilla | xtz, well, choose gnome? |
| 01:28.43 | RaCarter | I have questions.. |
| 01:28.56 | abonilla | xtz, you are on your own, troubleshoot more. |
| 01:29.04 | RaCarter | how do I change gdm to something else, like xdm |
| 01:29.05 | abonilla | RaCarter, we all do. |
| 01:29.11 | zoroman | Hi, does anybody knows how to mount a compact flash in a PCMCIA adapter? |
| 01:29.25 | abonilla | RaCarter, easiest option, or the right way? |
| 01:29.29 | RaCarter | all ways |
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| 01:38.40 | xtz[] | juhu |
| 01:38.42 | PF_ | hat the F is up with all the teen and pre-teen killings. Did all the Pet-E-files have a conference last month?. Sheesshh |
| 01:38.42 | abonilla | that's what I call flood. |
| 01:38.42 | zoroman | damn |
| 01:38.42 | lunaphyte | what's with the netsplits tonight? |
| 01:38.42 | zoroman | what'S that |
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| 01:38.43 | Phated | Don't you red global notices? They were doing something with the servers. |
| 01:38.43 | gpm | that's some craziness |
| 01:38.44 | abonilla | zoroman, duh, what you just saw. |
| 01:38.44 | jim | Phated: I' |
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| 01:38.44 | abonilla | alindeman, that was heavy shit. |
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| 01:38.45 | xtz | abonilla: an error in Xfree66.og... : PEXExtensionInit: Couldn't open default PEX font file Roman_M |
| 01:38.45 | Phated | jim: You...? |
| 01:38.45 | jim | lilo_: didn't finish the job? or? |
| 01:38.45 | jim | Phated: nm, figured it out |
| 01:38.45 | abonilla | xtz, apt-get install gnome or apt-get -reinstall install gnome |
| 01:38.46 | DoppelGanger | rtfm |
| 01:38.46 | abonilla | lilo was playing with the power cords. |
| 01:38.46 | xtz | gnome or gdm ? |
| 01:38.46 | xtz | E: Couldn't find package gnome |
| 01:38.46 | jim | abonilla: wow, didn't know he played guitar... |
| 01:38.46 | abonilla | jim, power cords. |
| 01:38.46 | abonilla | not guitat cordss. |
| 01:38.46 | abonilla | r |
| 01:38.46 | jim | like E (omit 3rd)? |
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| 01:38.48 | nono31 | hi |
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| 01:38.53 | zoroman | Hi, does anybody knows how to mount a compact flash in a PCMCIA adapter? |
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| 01:41.20 | trend | hey, how can I say if 32 - 30 > 2 then email someone? |
| 01:41.31 | trend | in a script or omsethign |
| 01:41.33 | RaCarter | does anyone know what f2 does? |
| 01:41.50 | RaCarter | I tried typing enlightenment from the command line, then it game me some dialog box |
| 01:41.54 | trym | last time I gave a shit, I got fucked |
| 01:41.56 | ozzloy | when you ctrl-c a program, how do you get back to it? |
| 01:42.03 | RaCarter | f1 is for ok, f3 is for cancel and then they gave me option f2 |
| 01:42.10 | nono31 | I know that kernel-source-2.EVEN is the stable release version (eg. 2.6 is the result of developers working hard in the unstable 2.5). But is that true for the sub version? 2.6.11 is that "less stable" than 2.6.10 or it has nothing to do? |
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| 01:42.12 | abonilla | ozzloy, can;t. |
| 01:42.17 | RaCarter | I pressed f2 and now it is doing something |
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| 01:42.24 | RaCarter | I do not know what it is doing |
| 01:42.28 | RaCarter | but whatever it is doing |
| 01:42.31 | RaCarter | it is taking a long time |
| 01:42.32 | ozzloy | abonilla, what is the way to background something and then come back to it? |
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| 01:42.54 | abonilla | ozzloy, ahh run something in the background, like with nice or what? |
| 01:43.00 | abonilla | ozzloy, use screen |
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| 01:43.26 | scarynetworkguy | ozzloy: ctrl-z backgrounds things. I think that's what you want. |
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| 01:43.41 | scarynetworkguy | s/backgrounds/suspends |
| 01:43.50 | ozzloy | scarynetworkguy, yes! and do you know how to bring it back? |
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| 01:44.16 | RaCarter | I had to restart my computer |
| 01:44.22 | RaCarter | I do not know what f2 did |
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| 01:44.33 | scarynetworkguy | ozzloy: man fg |
| 01:44.35 | RaCarter | why would any program give me such an option |
| 01:44.44 | ozzloy | scarynetworkguy, thanx |
| 01:44.57 | RaCarter | press f1 for ok, press f3 to cancel |
| 01:45.01 | RaCarter | press f2 for surprise |
| 01:45.05 | scarynetworkguy | ozzloy: fg --h oddly enough it doesn't seem to have a manpage. |
| 01:45.24 | ArielMT | fg is a bash internal |
| 01:45.31 | RaCarter | it just displayed this stupid little clock |
| 01:45.41 | RaCarter | what the hell |
| 01:46.05 | jim | RaCarter: surprise! ;) |
| 01:46.09 | ozzloy | scarynetworkguy, it has a network page on the solaris machine i connected to. but it is grouped together with other stuff |
| 01:46.18 | jim | RaCarter: did you write that? |
| 01:46.22 | ArielMT | "Press 'Yes' or 'No' to continue." [ OK ] [ Cancel ] |
| 01:46.33 | RaCarter | huh? |
| 01:46.48 | RaCarter | I had to reboot my computer |
| 01:46.53 | RaCarter | because I pressed f2 |
| 01:46.58 | RaCarter | and that is all I have to say about that |
| 01:47.01 | jim | "press any key to continue, any other key to abort" |
| 01:47.17 | ArielMT | where's the any key? |
| 01:47.22 | nse | Hello everybody, I'm having problems when trying to connect throught TCP 4662. I recently installed Debian Sarge so I'm sure there is no firewall program running, but tcp test on that port tells me that is unavailable (I'm running amule configured to work on 4662, amule is also connected to a server). There's no router hardware and I have phoned my internet provider in order to know if there's any limitation to my conection: there are not. I've |
| 01:47.23 | nse | searched the web for help but can't find anything that helps. Is there anything i'm missing? Could somebody point me out any url where i can find some helpful information? |
| 01:47.34 | xam | ArielMT: 'shift' |
| 01:47.35 | jim | ArielMT: some distance from the any other key |
| 01:48.00 | nono31 | 2.6.PAIR c'est plus stable que 2.6.IMPAIR ? ou c seulement 2.PAIR qui est stable et 2.IMPAIR qui est pas stable et que pour les sous-versions ēa veut rien dire? |
| 01:48.04 | nono31 | I know that kernel-source-2.EVEN is the stable release version (eg. 2.6 is the result of developers working hard in the unstable 2.5). But is that true for the sub version? 2.6.11 is that "less stable" than 2.6.10 or it has nothing to do? |
| 01:48.12 | adjacent | windows updated something in the background the other day and said "Press OK to reboot computer once you have saved your work." [OK] except i couldnt get off the dialg box to do anything. i lost my work =( |
| 01:48.20 | jim | nono31: english only please |
| 01:48.26 | jim | but |
| 01:48.29 | jim | !fr |
| 01:48.29 | dpkg | Les personnes qui parlent francais et qui ont besoin d'une aide a propos de Debian peuvent venir sur #debian-fr - People speaking french and in need of support for debian, please join #debian-fr |
| 01:48.52 | doleyb | nono31: 2.6.11 is more stable than 2.6.10. Only the 2nd number needs to be even for stable, not the 3rd number. |
| 01:48.59 | johnga1t | how can i search for a package containing a specific file? |
| 01:49.20 | xam | nono31: no, it is not true for the subversion. Lately there are even 4 numbers, eg. 2.6.11.7, with 2.6.11.7 more stable than 2.6.11.6 |
| 01:49.24 | jim | johnga1t: packages.debian.org |
| 01:49.41 | johnga1t | jim: no way to do it from the command line? |
| 01:50.23 | jim | some people like apt-cache, but your cache might not be aware of all debian packages |
| 01:50.42 | johnga1t | jim: how would i do it with apt-cache |
| 01:51.17 | jim | johnga1t: (i KNOW you saw this coming the second you hit enter) man apt-cache |
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| 01:54.25 | ArielMT | this is nuts. i started sshd and i can ssh localhost on the target system. but ssh from the remote system just sits there. what's wrong? |
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| 01:55.43 | tomb0y | try ssh -vvv -l username remotehost |
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| 01:56.05 | paolo | <PROTECTED> |
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| 01:56.40 | abonilla | paolo, olee! |
| 01:57.00 | paolo | abonilla: ola!!! |
| 01:57.09 | abonilla | ola |
| 01:57.11 | abonilla | ? |
| 01:57.33 | paolo | abonilla: what were i saying? |
| 01:57.45 | paolo | (you!) |
| 01:57.49 | xtz | abonilla: it stills don't work :( when i log into gdm and choose gnome, it falls back to login :( |
| 01:58.04 | ozzloy | thanx scarynetworkguy |
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| 01:58.22 | ArielMT | tomb0y: is five lines too much to paste here? |
| 01:58.31 | Temp[Away] | I am having major problems trying to install wine. Is there a "installing wine for dummies"? (i cant even make heads or tails of their website) |
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| 01:59.53 | cafuego | ArielMT: Anything over one line is too much to paste. '/msg dpkg paster' or /topic |
| 02:00.25 | CyzarX | hello. any good/nice front end digicam application in debian? |
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| 02:00.36 | scarynetworkguy | ozzloy: NP. |
| 02:00.40 | bykte | to set path setup, it's at /etc/profile right? |
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| 02:00.54 | gravity | CyzarX: digicam like webcam, or just digital camera so you can import your photos and such? |
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| 02:02.02 | bykte | to set path setup, it's at /etc/profile right? |
| 02:02.31 | gravity | bykte: For every user, yes. If you just want it for one, put it in your .bashrc (or whatever shell you use) |
| 02:02.31 | Guerin | bykte: repeating won't help you |
| 02:02.35 | jim | bykte: you can set the path at a shell prompt |
| 02:02.41 | paster | "ArielMT" at 216.234.218.60 pasted "ssh woes (local good, remote bad)" (7 lines) at http://channels.debian.net/paste/30 |
| 02:02.55 | tuxmaster | what is the command again to see what version of the kernal i have |
| 02:02.59 | gravity | tuxmaster: uname -a |
| 02:03.11 | bykte | jim, ok. |
| 02:03.16 | CyzarX | gravity, yes, import the photos from my digicam using usb cable. and the application to see the photos. or any other nice application for digicam which i dont know |
| 02:03.19 | khanman | -r aint it? |
| 02:03.21 | jim | kernel you -have-? look in /boot |
| 02:03.40 | bykte | jim, but setting path in shell will have the changes lost if there is a reboot..how do i make it permanent? |
| 02:03.48 | gravity | CyzarX: There's gtkam, gphoto (if you like command line), or just pure nautilus or any other file manager |
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| 02:04.01 | jim | bykte: oh, I see, so we have two separate questions |
| 02:04.03 | gravity | CyzarX: The one people are waiting on that's not ready (and not in Debian yet) is f-spot, but keep an eye out for it |
| 02:04.13 | gravity | CyzarX: I hear good things about it, but haven't tried it myself yet |
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| 02:04.35 | jim | and |
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| 02:04.54 | bykte | jim, i put it in /etc/profile but it's not working |
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| 02:05.04 | jim | not working? why? |
| 02:05.09 | CyzarX | gravity, ty ;) |
| 02:05.11 | bykte | let me paste the 3 lines |
| 02:05.18 | bykte | JAVA_HOME="/usr/java/jdk1.5.0_02" |
| 02:05.18 | bykte | JAVA_PATH="$JAVA_HOME" |
| 02:05.18 | bykte | PATH="/usr/local/bin:/usr/bin:/bin:/usr/bin/X11:/usr/games:$JAVA_HOME/bin" |
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| 02:05.35 | jim | he SURVIVED! |
| 02:05.44 | jim | aMAZING! |
| 02:06.05 | jim | ok |
| 02:06.07 | bykte | jim? |
| 02:06.09 | RaCarter | uuh |
| 02:06.15 | tuxmaster | i tryed upgrading my kernal |
| 02:06.18 | RaCarter | you should make a soft link to jdk1.5.0_02 |
| 02:06.24 | tuxmaster | though dselect and it did not upgrade |
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| 02:06.34 | RaCarter | so you can just change the link when you change to a different version |
| 02:06.37 | tuxmaster | how do i fix that |
| 02:06.44 | bykte | you mean symbolic link? |
| 02:06.52 | RaCarter | yeah |
| 02:06.53 | jim | bykte: is this an install of a debian package containing a java? |
| 02:06.54 | RaCarter | ln -s |
| 02:06.57 | FieldySnuts | @lart ln |
| 02:07.06 | bykte | jim, no |
| 02:07.11 | xtz | how to install gnome ? apt-get install gnome doesn't work... |
| 02:07.23 | Sentia | I've read that php doesn't work well or safely with apache2, if not php then what should I use? Or should I just remove apache2 and use apache if I plan to use php |
| 02:07.30 | gravity | xtz: Define "doesn't work". Are you on stable, testing...? |
| 02:07.32 | johnga1t | jim: i did a second pass through the manpage and of course see the "search" option to look through package description ... but not to search files |
| 02:07.49 | maher | Sentia: allegedly php is not thread safe - use apache |
| 02:07.53 | xtz | woody, and it has no packages |
| 02:07.57 | jim | johnga1t: packages.debian.org |
| 02:08.08 | gravity | xtz: What do you mean? That should work in woody, iirc. |
| 02:08.21 | Sentia | oko |
| 02:08.24 | gravity | xtz: Try opening tasksel as root and using it to install the desktop task. There may be a gnome task there more specifically. |
| 02:08.28 | jim | (which is what you should have tried by this time) |
| 02:08.30 | gravity | xtz: tasksel will install gnome for you properly |
| 02:08.30 | tuxmaster | i tyred to upgrade my kernal though dselect and it did not upgrade the kernal |
| 02:08.32 | johnga1t | jim: yea, i know. but is there actually a way to do it with apt-cache? |
| 02:08.33 | tuxmaster | how do i fix that |
| 02:08.37 | maher | johnga1t: grep-dctrl |
| 02:08.40 | Guerin | tuxmaster: why the fuck are you repeating? |
| 02:08.41 | jim | no idea |
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| 02:08.52 | Guerin | tuxmaster: do you think nobody saw yyour question the firs time? |
| 02:09.07 | bykte | RaCarter, i have added teh symbolic link what's next? |
| 02:09.18 | bykte | i always get the command not found even after adding teh path |
| 02:09.21 | azure | johngalt: are you looking for installed files, or if a debian package contains a certain file? |
| 02:09.24 | johnga1t | maher: no way to do it w/ apt-cache? |
| 02:09.29 | xtz | gravity thx, i fergot gnome-session... sorry ;) |
| 02:09.36 | gravity | xtz: No worries |
| 02:09.37 | Guerin | tuxmaster: don't repeat. Don't message me. Formulate a more meaningful question, with specifics about what exactly you did and what didn't work |
| 02:09.38 | maher | johnga1t: what exactly do you want to do again? |
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| 02:10.04 | Silveira | hi, my actual server is an w2k pro machine, and sometimes i get error about the limit of requisitions, how to use samba on this problem? |
| 02:10.06 | johnga1t | maher: just search for packages which provide a given filename |
| 02:10.10 | johnga1t | (or file, rather) |
| 02:10.10 | maher | bykte: start a new term and see if it works in that |
| 02:10.19 | maher | johnga1t: apt-listfiles |
| 02:10.28 | cafuego | johnga1t: apt-file for non-installed packages or dpkg -S for installed ones. |
| 02:10.28 | Guerin | tuxmaster: don't message me. And no, that is not at all meaningful. |
| 02:10.36 | maher | johnga1t: sorry apt-file |
| 02:10.37 | Guerin | !tell tuxmaster about smart question |
| 02:10.39 | Guerin | !tell tuxmaster about smart questions |
| 02:10.50 | bykte | maher, nope still the same |
| 02:10.51 | Guerin | grrr |
| 02:10.52 | RaCarter | bykte, I don't know what you've done so far but usually you add JAVA_HOME="/usr/java/jdk" or whatever the name of your link is and then add PATH="$JAVA_HOME/bin:$PATH" |
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| 02:11.00 | johnga1t | maher: thanks. |
| 02:11.03 | maher | bykte: what filename |
| 02:11.04 | xtz | how could i execute windows apps under linux ? (wine ? ) |
| 02:11.15 | maher | xtz: yes |
| 02:11.17 | RaCarter | I think you need to logout or reboot |
| 02:11.20 | jim | bykte: you could try make-jpkg |
| 02:11.24 | xtz | (i search the best one, for graphical purpose) |
| 02:11.26 | bykte | maher, java... RaCarter you mean there's a diff if the $PATH is at the back instead of the front? |
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| 02:11.28 | cafuego | !tell guerin -about smart people |
| 02:11.37 | cafuego | ;-) |
| 02:11.41 | maher | bykte: what is your $PATH |
| 02:11.43 | RaCarter | it is better to put it in the front |
| 02:11.51 | bykte | PATH="/usr/local/bin:/usr/bin:/bin:/usr/bin/X11:/usr/games:$JAVA_HOME/bin" |
| 02:11.58 | jim | !tell guerin about message the bot for helpers |
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| 02:12.25 | RaCarter | if you have other java executables in the other directories listed before $JAVA_HOME/bin it will use the first one it finds |
| 02:12.33 | RaCarter | correct me if I'm wrong |
| 02:12.42 | bykte | RaCarter. no..it's not listed there |
| 02:12.49 | jim | no, that's rigth |
| 02:12.50 | bykte | it's my first install of java..so there wont happen |
| 02:12.58 | jim | bykte: you could try make-jpkg |
| 02:13.05 | maher | bykte: why dont' you just use java-package |
| 02:13.15 | RaCarter | it's better to put it in the front and try logging out and back in again |
| 02:13.49 | bykte | maher, cos i got difficulty in setting up java using the java-package |
| 02:14.00 | maher | bykte: what problem |
| 02:14.09 | jim | bykte: said difficulty would be on-topic here |
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| 02:14.34 | jim | the difficulties you're having here are mildly off-topic here and on-topic in #linux |
| 02:14.39 | xtz | by starting gnome, i have this notice "you are not running a GNOME compilant window manager", what does that mean ? i've installed gdm.. |
| 02:14.54 | jim | as far as I know, that is |
| 02:15.04 | maher | xtz: gdm is the login manager not the wm |
| 02:15.18 | bykte | maher, dependencies problem |
| 02:15.28 | xtz | aha, so what should i install ? |
| 02:15.32 | PitchForkLin | Hi all. Is there any limitation on the partition size in Debian sarge with a 2.6 kernel or newer? I'm asking cause every time I create a partition larger that 128 Gig I get an fsck error bad block size |
| 02:15.36 | maher | bykte: what version of debian |
| 02:15.37 | jim | bykte: specifics? |
| 02:15.55 | jim | bykte: /msg dpkg sicco |
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| 02:16.13 | bykte | maher, 3 |
| 02:16.33 | maher | bykte: did you manage to install java-package |
| 02:16.59 | jim | PitchForkLin: maybe that's the limitation... btw, from what EXACTLY are you getting the error? |
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| 02:17.01 | xtz | maher, should i install gwm ? right ? |
| 02:17.14 | Silveira | hi, my actual server is an w2k pro machine, and sometimes i get error about the limit of requisitions, how to use samba on this problem? |
| 02:17.14 | maher | xtz: i don't know what wm gnome wants |
| 02:17.28 | RaCarter | I'm very upset right now, can debian help me? |
| 02:17.29 | PitchForkLin | jim getting the error during boot up |
| 02:17.40 | maher | !comfort RaCarter |
| 02:17.40 | jim | during boot? |
| 02:17.41 | dpkg | There, there, RaCarter. It's OK. I'm here for you. |
| 02:17.46 | bykte | maher, let me try again |
| 02:17.46 | ifup | Hello, can someone help me? I am running sid while running digikam as root I can access my camera is this a hotplug issue for perms? |
| 02:17.51 | bykte | if i encounter problem i will u ask thanks |
| 02:18.00 | RaCarter | I need to find a room that has people I can yell at |
| 02:18.14 | jim | RaCarter: #debian-psych-services |
| 02:18.36 | mngrif | wait, is the yelling debian-related? |
| 02:18.38 | RaCarter | I really joined that room just now |
| 02:18.42 | RaCarter | not necessarily |
| 02:18.49 | mngrif | ah |
| 02:18.58 | jim | they give you meds that make you see lots of people, put you in a rubber room and you can yell all you want :) |
| 02:18.59 | mngrif | perhaps you need a pan-galactic gargleblaster. |
| 02:19.03 | maher | ifup: its probably a perms issue - try strace-ing the command as a user and see what you can't access |
| 02:19.04 | bykte | how do i make use of a .deb file? |
| 02:19.10 | PitchForkLin | yes. when the screen flashes by it will show the error and advise that I run oh I can't think of the name.. something like up2ext3... something like that |
| 02:19.21 | jim | bykte: dpkg --help |
| 02:19.23 | maher | bykte: dpkg -i filename |
| 02:19.26 | bykte | ok |
| 02:19.29 | bykte | reading help |
| 02:19.36 | xtz | (04:17:16) <maher> xtz: i don't know what wm gnome wants -> where could i know that = |
| 02:19.37 | xtz | ? |
| 02:19.44 | tuxmaster | is there a diffrence between using apt-get and dselect |
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| 02:19.58 | jim | gnome can use any wm; some wms are gnome aware |
| 02:20.08 | mngrif | tuxmaster: dselect is a front end to apt-get.. use aptitude though |
| 02:20.11 | maher | xtz: ask here :) try #gnome too |
| 02:20.14 | bykte | so dpkg -i *.deb is like apt-get install <package> ? |
| 02:20.22 | RaCarter | I have a bunch of unresolved questions |
| 02:20.29 | jim | dselect is a horrible dinosaur that needs to become oil |
| 02:20.50 | FieldySnuts | apt: lart jim |
| 02:20.52 | mngrif | jim: agreed |
| 02:21.19 | mngrif | bykte: without dependancy checking, yes. |
| 02:21.26 | jim | good thing I was wearing my nuke relflector suit! |
| 02:21.26 | RaCarter | does anyone know how I can stop gdm (or any desktop environment) from loading up automatically |
| 02:21.31 | tuxmaster | yes |
| 02:21.35 | tuxmaster | check your inittab |
| 02:21.39 | maher | !nodm |
| 02:21.39 | tuxmaster | /etc/initab |
| 02:21.39 | dpkg | Debian does not use a specific runlevel for graphical display managers by default. Just remove the dm package(s) with "apt-get remove xdm kdm wdm login.app gdm pdm". "update-rc.d -f xdm remove" and friends will also disable the dm until a package update is installed and the runlevel symlinks are restored.. NEWSFLASH! echo "false" >/etc/X11/default-display-manager, or a temporary solution is to hit ctl-alt-fN to get to a console |
| 02:21.52 | ifup | maher: I never used that command ... I just apt-getted it.. |
| 02:22.02 | jim | tuxmaster: that's not how it's set up in debian |
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| 02:22.25 | mngrif | debian is sooo non-typical.. |
| 02:22.39 | FieldySnuts | thank god |
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| 02:22.44 | maher | mngrif: debian is typically non-typical? |
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| 02:22.47 | zignig | FieldySnuts: no problem. |
| 02:23.02 | mngrif | maher: in a roundabout way, yes. |
| 02:23.09 | jim | maher: I'd go along with that |
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| 02:23.16 | bykte | maher, lots of dependencies problem, i tried install java package they say this missing, i tried installing the missing package, out came a list of missing packages again |
| 02:23.30 | zignig | has anyone here got spf ( sender policy framework ) working with exim4 ? |
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| 02:23.37 | maher | bykte: paste the errors in #flood |
| 02:23.40 | jim | bykte: what debian you running (cat /etc/debian_version) |
| 02:24.17 | jim | he probably needs to upgrade to a recent sarge |
| 02:24.25 | bykte | jim, 3.0 |
| 02:24.30 | jim | that's woody |
| 02:24.40 | bykte | yup woody woodpecker |
| 02:25.01 | jim | so yeah, java-package won't work well on woody |
| 02:25.09 | dondelelcaro | uh, no. woody the cowboy. |
| 02:25.15 | tuxmaster | why does a upgrade to sarge |
| 02:25.20 | tuxmaster | not install the new kernal |
| 02:25.37 | RaCarter | I don't really understand what's going on in /etc/inittab |
| 02:25.46 | bykte | it's a -all package, so it's safe to use it in woody. <-- dpkg told me that |
| 02:25.55 | jim | tuxmaster: I guess kernels aren't significant to upgrades |
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| 02:26.02 | dondelelcaro | bykte: it may be safe to use in woody. |
| 02:26.09 | maher | java-package is just a perl script it should work on woody |
| 02:26.18 | tuxmaster | i resently upgraded to sarge partly to install a new kernal too however it id not upgrade the kernal so i used dpackage to upgrade the kernal |
| 02:26.30 | RaCarter | ok, in gnome, when I view samba shares |
| 02:26.31 | tuxmaster | i checked uname -a and it is still at 2.20 |
| 02:26.32 | jim | bykte: "safe" maybe, but looks like it uses resources from sarge |
| 02:26.44 | RaCarter | I cannot view a shared drive that is partitioned as FAT32 |
| 02:26.46 | tuxmaster | would i need to remove the 2.20 kernal |
| 02:26.48 | RaCarter | why? |
| 02:26.51 | jim | I was told I had to upgrade my already-sarge-but-older to more recent |
| 02:27.07 | jim | 2.20? |
| 02:27.14 | ifup | maher: what arguments would you use in strace? |
| 02:27.17 | jim | which one is that/ |
| 02:27.17 | tuxmaster | 2.2.20 |
| 02:27.19 | tuxmaster | sorry |
| 02:27.20 | maher | bykte: paste /etc/apt/sources.list in #flood |
| 02:27.28 | bykte | ok |
| 02:27.30 | maher | ifup: strace command |
| 02:27.32 | jim | you could probably hold onto that |
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| 02:28.06 | bykte | done |
| 02:28.22 | maher | bykte: did you alter sources.list to try and install java-package earlier? |
| 02:28.24 | tuxmaster | but i want 2.6.8 |
| 02:28.31 | tuxmaster | it showes installed on dselect |
| 02:28.34 | bykte | maher, no |
| 02:28.40 | bykte | i didnt alter anything on sources.list |
| 02:28.41 | sharkie | how do you check what version of debian you are running? |
| 02:28.43 | tuxmaster | but when i check uname -a it shows 2.2.20 still installed |
| 02:28.56 | bykte | sharkie, cat /etc/debian_version |
| 02:28.59 | FieldySnuts | did ya reboot? |
| 02:29.01 | tuxmaster | yep |
| 02:29.10 | sharkie | thanks bykte |
| 02:29.12 | rgardner | how do I get my x idle time? |
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| 02:29.24 | FieldySnuts | did you rub Phated's belly for good luck? |
| 02:29.38 | bykte | wonder why apt-get install libc6 doesnt install the latest.. |
| 02:29.50 | jvw | tuxmaster: install kernel-image-2.4-686 (or something else, like 2.6, or k7 for amd) |
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| 02:29.57 | sharkie | is it possible to tell what release of debian version you have? |
| 02:30.22 | jvw | sharkie: not very well, as it's often quite hybrid |
| 02:30.38 | sharkie | because the latest version is 3.0 r5 |
| 02:30.39 | bykte | 3.0 = woody. that's what people tell me |
| 02:30.44 | sharkie | i dunno if i have r5 |
| 02:30.47 | jvw | sharkie: one can have some packages from woody, some from sarge, and yet others from sid |
| 02:31.13 | sharkie | hrmm... nevermind |
| 02:31.16 | jvw | sharkie: latest stable is 3.0r5 indeed, woody. Most often you can see it from /etc/apt/sources.list |
| 02:31.25 | bykte | maher, i cant update at all cos they need libc6 patch depends on libc6 (>= 2.3.2.ds1-4); however: |
| 02:31.37 | bykte | but apt-get install libc6 gives me 2.2.5-11.8 |
| 02:31.40 | sharkie | jvw: but how do i know i am running r5? |
| 02:31.43 | tuxmaster | like me i am running the most common sarge woddy hybred |
| 02:31.49 | maher | bykte: where did you get the testing versin of debhelper from? |
| 02:32.05 | jvw | sharkie: if you updated recently, you're running it (if you're running stable) |
| 02:32.08 | bykte | http://packages.debian.org/testing/devel/debhelper |
| 02:32.13 | bykte | that's where dpkg told me to go to |
| 02:32.21 | maher | bykte: oh dear |
| 02:32.25 | sharkie | jvw: oh ok cool |
| 02:32.37 | jim | bykte: well, so you have a coupla choices |
| 02:32.42 | sharkie | jvw: i just did a apt-get upgrade |
| 02:32.45 | bykte | oh dear? that's sound bad |
| 02:32.45 | maher | bykte: how many random packages from testing did you install? |
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| 02:33.00 | bykte | maher, none |
| 02:33.11 | jim | you can keep going the way you were (so, not using java-package) |
| 02:33.25 | bykte | the packages that i tried to install from that site all got dependencies problems |
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| 02:33.32 | jvw | sharkie: & apt-get update before that? |
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| 02:34.03 | bykte | maher, any alternatives? |
| 02:34.08 | jim | you can upgrade your box to sarge, install java-package, try make-jpkg, try installing resulting .deb |
| 02:34.26 | maher | bykte: yes- but now they're half installed and stuffing up your system |
| 02:34.29 | jim | those are your two reasonable choices |
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| 02:34.41 | maher | bykte: did you try and upgrade libc? |
| 02:34.44 | sharkie | jvw: yeah i did that |
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| 02:35.05 | bykte | maher, i only did a apt-get install libc6 |
| 02:35.23 | jim | bykte: hmm :) it's possible that could be bad |
| 02:35.45 | bykte | bad? oh damn |
| 02:35.51 | jim | and definitely weird as far as your system deps are concerned... |
| 02:35.54 | maher | bykte: you can do one of two things: 1. manually downgrade all the new packages to stable 2. upgrade to stable |
| 02:36.02 | maher | bykte: s/stable/testing/ |
| 02:36.14 | bykte | ?? |
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| 02:36.24 | bykte | maher, my libc6 is under stable |
| 02:36.25 | bykte | not testing |
| 02:36.26 | maher | bykte: you can do one of two things: 1. manually downgrade all the new packages to stable 2. switch to testing |
| 02:36.43 | bykte | stable (base): GNU C Library: Shared libraries and Timezone data |
| 02:36.43 | bykte | 2.2.5-11.8: arm hppa i386 m68k mips mipsel powerpc s390 sparc |
| 02:36.48 | bykte | mine is 2.2.5-11.8 |
| 02:36.50 | jim | bykte: so do you want to stay with stable (meaning also you keep going with the java as you were) |
| 02:36.56 | maher | bykte: what does apt-get install debhelper do |
| 02:37.13 | bykte | ok let me try |
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| 02:37.29 | bykte | jim, i dont get your statement |
| 02:37.30 | jim | or, do you want to make your installation prepared for java-package (which would require upgrading to sarge)? |
| 02:37.42 | bykte | cant i stick to 3.0? :x |
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| 02:37.57 | maher | jim: i reckon you can get java-package to install on woody |
| 02:38.01 | bykte | maher, Building Dependency Tree... Done |
| 02:38.01 | bykte | Sorry, debhelper is already the newest version. |
| 02:38.06 | jvw | yeah, should work on woody fine |
| 02:38.34 | jim | if you do that, then you have to undo certain installs of sarge packages |
| 02:38.37 | bykte | but with Sorry, but the following packages have unmet dependencies: |
| 02:38.43 | maher | bykte: do you still have the java-package .deb? |
| 02:38.58 | maher | bykte: same list as before |
| 02:39.10 | maher | bykte: ? |
| 02:39.15 | bykte | ? |
| 02:39.16 | bykte | yes |
| 02:39.20 | bykte | i do |
| 02:39.24 | bykte | same |
| 02:39.36 | maher | bykte: dl the stable debhelper and do dpkg -i |
| 02:40.00 | bykte | roger |
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| 02:40.19 | jim | roger: bykte is calling you |
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| 02:40.27 | bykte | huh? |
| 02:40.33 | bykte | there is no roger here |
| 02:40.43 | jim | oh, there isn't?! |
| 02:40.48 | bykte | nope |
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| 02:40.51 | jim | then why did I do that?!? |
| 02:40.57 | bykte | maher, didnt work |
| 02:41.11 | maher | bykte: what did it say - paste in flood i flong |
| 02:41.11 | bykte | dpkg: dependency problems prevent configuration of debhelper: |
| 02:41.11 | bykte | <PROTECTED> |
| 02:41.11 | bykte | <PROTECTED> |
| 02:41.12 | jim | what do you mena? |
| 02:41.14 | bykte | oops sorry |
| 02:41.23 | a_monkey | what packages would i have to install to have a full installation of directfb? |
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| 02:41.37 | maher | bykte: do dkpg-dev as well |
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| 02:42.23 | tuxmaster | great just wiped out my partition |
| 02:42.50 | bykte | ok maher |
| 02:43.26 | a_monkey | all of the libdirectfb* stuff? |
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| 02:43.55 | maher | bykte: ok - now try dpkg -i java-package and paste the errors in #flood |
| 02:44.31 | bykte | ok |
| 02:44.44 | bykte | maher, installed all teh stable dependencies like u ask me now trying the command u ask me to |
| 02:45.22 | sharkie | i edited my .bashrc file |
| 02:45.28 | sharkie | and its still not showing a colorized ls |
| 02:45.35 | sharkie | what could be the problem |
| 02:45.43 | bykte | not enough crayon..hehe |
| 02:46.06 | sharkie | lol |
| 02:46.21 | sharkie | it works it root |
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| 02:46.25 | sharkie | but not in my normal account |
| 02:47.09 | bykte | maher, pasted at #flood |
| 02:47.27 | maher | bykte: dl stable fakeroot - dpkg -i it |
| 02:47.41 | jim | sharkie: which .bashrc did you edit? |
| 02:47.57 | ArielMT | is there a way to see the full dependencies of a package? for example, apt-cache depends wine-utils tells me that it immediately depends on wine and libwine, but it doesn't tell me that it ultimately depends on libx11-6 (by way of xlibs, which is by way of libwine) |
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| 02:48.36 | PabloEscobar | anyone know the RFC that defines the 3 classes? |
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| 02:48.55 | bykte | maher, done |
| 02:48.59 | jim | PabloEscobar: classes of what? |
| 02:49.02 | bykte | Setting up java-package (0.23) ... |
| 02:49.07 | PabloEscobar | class a, b, c |
| 02:49.09 | PabloEscobar | network addresses |
| 02:49.11 | bykte | maher, what's next? |
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| 02:49.19 | maher | bykte: did it work? |
| 02:49.22 | PabloEscobar | anyone know the RFC that defines the 3 internet classes (a, b, c)? |
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| 02:49.25 | bykte | yes it worked |
| 02:49.30 | jim | not sure... but routing has been classless for a long time |
| 02:49.30 | bykte | now what do i have to do? |
| 02:49.43 | PabloEscobar | i know |
| 02:49.44 | PabloEscobar | cidr |
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| 02:49.56 | bykte | maher, java still doesnt worked the command |
| 02:49.57 | maher | bykte: read the instructions :) |
| 02:50.06 | metrix | my computer is sending quite alot of packets out of eth0, and I want to know what sockets are connected to it.. what the command to do this? |
| 02:50.10 | TBBle | PabloEscobar: Was it in the 1900's? That's where the private IP ranges were, and I assume they were put aside quite early. |
| 02:50.15 | bykte | ok |
| 02:50.17 | maher | metrix: netstat -pant |
| 02:50.22 | metrix | ahh |
| 02:50.30 | PabloEscobar | TBBle, yeah |
| 02:50.38 | CyzarX | i got a handy drive for free. how do i format it? |
| 02:50.45 | bykte | maher, i read the instructions given by dpkg they said about make-kpkg |
| 02:50.47 | abrotman | mkfs ? |
| 02:50.52 | maher | CyzarX: fdisk, mkfs |
| 02:51.01 | jim | bykte: so far, you have succeeded in installing a script that builds packages |
| 02:51.07 | CyzarX | maher, do i need to mount it before format? |
| 02:51.17 | abrotman | CyzarX: you need to fdisk it first |
| 02:51.21 | bykte | jim, yes, thanksfully to your guys help |
| 02:51.25 | PabloEscobar | classless or not.. 10 192.168 and 17whatever it is are still non-routable |
| 02:51.28 | maher | bykte: ? man make-jpkg surely or /usr/share/java-package |
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| 02:51.41 | jim | that's not going to change what you have until you actually build and install a package |
| 02:51.44 | CyzarX | abrotman, okay, fdisk now |
| 02:51.57 | bykte | oh.. |
| 02:52.04 | bykte | so dpkg is for building packages |
| 02:52.06 | bykte | not installing |
| 02:52.07 | bykte | ok |
| 02:52.14 | CyzarX | abrotman, fdisk -l didnt show my handy drive |
| 02:52.16 | ArielMT | http://www.faqs.org/ |
| 02:52.18 | jim | I didn't say that |
| 02:52.20 | maher | bykte: basically you dl the binary java file and run make-jpkg, withsome options which i gorget |
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| 02:52.31 | maher | s/gorget/forget/ |
| 02:52.48 | abrotman | wtf is a handy drive? |
| 02:52.48 | jim | if you look at a gorget, does your brain turn to stone? |
| 02:53.06 | abrotman | CyzarX: it would be fdisk -l /dev/device |
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| 02:53.51 | abrotman | gorgon |
| 02:53.52 | CyzarX | abrotman, how can i check whether the flash drive is in proper condition. i wanna check whether the system "see" it when i put it in my usb port |
| 02:54.01 | abrotman | dmesg hopefully ? |
| 02:54.03 | maher | CyzarX: lsusb |
| 02:54.09 | jim | that would be a forgon conclusion |
| 02:54.13 | bykte | maher, so the purpose of downloading java-package? |
| 02:54.13 | maher | CyzarX: cat /proc.partitions |
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| 02:54.36 | maher | bykte: to take a binary java package and make it play nice with debian |
| 02:54.41 | bykte | oh |
| 02:54.50 | bykte | so java-package doesnt containt the sdk |
| 02:54.52 | CyzarX | mmmmmmmm... maher , i think it is spoilt |
| 02:54.56 | maher | bykte: so you don't have to worry about fixing your path |
| 02:55.01 | CyzarX | cuz lsusb, and cat /proc/partitions show nothing |
| 02:55.09 | abrotman | mdesg ? |
| 02:55.11 | abrotman | er dmesg |
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| 02:55.20 | maher | CyzarX: do you have hotplug running |
| 02:55.26 | jim | bykte: right. but it makes a new package that does contain the jdk |
| 02:55.35 | CyzarX | maher, i have 2 flash drive. the other one is working fine |
| 02:55.42 | PabloEscobar | http://www.faqs.org/rfcs/rfc1933.html |
| 02:55.44 | maher | CyzarX: does it show up in lsusb? |
| 02:55.47 | CyzarX | maher, how can i check whether hotplug is running properly? |
| 02:55.53 | CyzarX | maher, lsusb didnt show anything |
| 02:56.26 | maher | CyzarX: look in the logs to see if hotplug says stuff |
| 02:56.54 | CyzarX | maher, where is hotplug located? |
| 02:57.01 | suifur | Does anyone know where I can get an init script for esound? |
| 02:57.07 | bykte | maher, so the java-package will work for teh latest java huh? |
| 02:57.11 | suifur | When I installed it, the init script wasn't placed in /etc/init.d |
| 02:57.23 | maher | CyzarX: look for /etc/init.d/hotplug |
| 02:57.31 | CyzarX | maher, *checking* |
| 02:57.41 | maher | bykte: try it and see |
| 02:57.56 | CyzarX | # /etc/init.d/hotplug |
| 02:57.57 | CyzarX | Usage: /etc/init.d/hotplug {start|stop|restart|status|force-reload |
| 02:58.05 | CyzarX | i think it is installed properly |
| 02:58.06 | Guerin | !tell jim about I know the rules, thanks mate |
| 02:58.40 | bykte | maher, ok |
| 02:58.43 | maher | CyzarX: try /etc/init.d/hotplug restart or start to make sure |
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| 02:59.01 | CyzarX | maher, done |
| 02:59.09 | sharkie | is there a way to find out if a program is installed in your debian system or not? |
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| 02:59.22 | jvw | dpkg -s packagename |
| 02:59.22 | dpkg | There is no record of a packagename package |
| 02:59.31 | sharkie | thanks jvw |
| 02:59.55 | bykte | maher, i need to have a non-root user to install? |
| 03:00.00 | jim | dpkg -s java-package |
| 03:00.01 | dpkg | There is no record of a java-package package |
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| 03:00.09 | jim | there is too :P |
| 03:00.20 | jvw | !java-package |
| 03:00.20 | dpkg | hmm... java-package is the new name for mpkg-j2se... err, I mean j2se-package... DAMN IT, CAN'T THEY PICK A NAME?! Anyway, it lets you build a .deb file from Sun's non-free upstream Java distributions. See "man make-jpkg". Cf. "make-kpkg" (from kernel-package).only in sarge and sid currently, but it's a -all package, so it's safe to use it in woody. This packages lives in 'contrib', so make sure you have that in your sources.list. |
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| 03:00.27 | CyzarX | maher, it still show nothing in lsusb and cat /proc/partitions |
| 03:00.33 | jvw | !info java-package |
| 03:00.36 | CyzarX | i think it is physically damaged :( |
| 03:00.36 | dpkg | java-package: (utility for building Java(TM) 2 related Debian packages), section contrib/misc, is optional. Version: 0.23 (sid), Packaged size: 18 kB, Installed size: 264 kB |
| 03:00.37 | maher | bykte: you odn't have a non-root user? |
| 03:00.45 | bykte | i only have root |
| 03:00.52 | jim | not good |
| 03:00.57 | maher | CyzarX: does the working one show up |
| 03:01.00 | Guerin | bykte: make a real user |
| 03:01.00 | bykte | my psybnc is on root too |
| 03:01.17 | Guerin | bykte: fucking fix it |
| 03:01.20 | Guerin | sort it out |
| 03:01.24 | CyzarX | maher, yes |
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| 03:01.36 | bykte | Guerin, when you said make a real user, you mean create a new account? |
| 03:01.41 | maher | CyzarX: it may well be dead - try another machine... |
| 03:01.49 | Guerin | bykte: yes... at least one |
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| 03:01.52 | CyzarX | yes. i think so too. |
| 03:01.58 | CyzarX | there isnt a free stuff in the world |
| 03:02.03 | Guerin | bykte: and unless you absolutely must, don't run an irc-related service as root |
| 03:02.04 | CyzarX | i accidentally saw it on the floor |
| 03:02.10 | Guerin | that's madness |
| 03:02.13 | CyzarX | i thought it is a workable drive |
| 03:02.19 | maher | CyzarX: might be why someone threw it away... :) |
| 03:02.35 | CyzarX | maher, indeed it is |
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| 03:03.23 | tuxmaster | man i shot my lilo |
| 03:03.29 | tuxmaster | and my loadlin |
| 03:03.43 | tuxmaster | maby my kernel too |
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| 03:03.54 | bykte | how do i delete a user? i accidentally create a wrong one |
| 03:04.05 | bykte | userdel ok found it |
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| 03:05.22 | TBBle | Hmm. Is there a channel with people idling at the Debian mini-conf at linux.conf.au? I tried #debconf but it was underpopulated for the number of copies of irssi I can see running from here. |
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| 03:05.44 | WillySilly | is there a way to generate a new status file? |
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| 03:07.24 | tuxmaster | i got a quick question |
| 03:07.36 | bykte | where's maher? |
| 03:07.37 | tuxmaster | what is the command to make shure what type of processer i have |
| 03:07.48 | bykte | oh he left |
| 03:07.56 | tuxmaster | who left |
| 03:08.11 | technos | Try cat /proc/cpuinfo |
| 03:08.18 | daaku | is there a way to force a fsck on the root disk by passing a param through grub? |
| 03:08.41 | technos | daaku: root=/dev/whatever is the kernel param |
| 03:09.03 | technos | daaku: Oh, force a fsck?? Sec. |
| 03:09.18 | bykte | tuxmaster, nah, a kind soul |
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| 03:09.56 | technos | daaku: I'm sorry, I paged through what you said and misread. I'm not aware of any way to force one, no. :( |
| 03:10.14 | daaku | technos: np |
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| 03:11.17 | eleusis | hello |
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| 03:11.54 | WillySilly | is there a way to generate a new status file for apt? |
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| 03:12.13 | dondelelcaro | WillySilly: no. Restore it from backups if you've killed it. |
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| 03:12.28 | WillySilly | backup doesnt work |
| 03:13.06 | jim | WillySilly: damn, your backups don't work? |
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| 03:13.22 | WillySilly | nope |
| 03:13.26 | esno | i'm curious. people always say that debian is better that it's more "secure". when asked to elaborate on this they never do, or act like i'm an idiot for not knowing why, but "more secure" is a rather general statement. i wonder if any one can articulate on this matter? |
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| 03:13.41 | gravity | Who says that? |
| 03:13.57 | esno | people at my school |
| 03:14.18 | tuxmaster | debian |
| 03:14.23 | jim | esno: probably because debian security folks respond very quickly to security problems |
| 03:14.31 | eleusis | hm |
| 03:14.38 | tuxmaster | also it is more stable |
| 03:14.45 | esno | like all of the super geeks there run debian, they're like a little a clique. i run fedora core, and these guys scrutinized me heavily |
| 03:14.46 | metrix | after doing a netstat -pantu, I have one line other then xchat that I see connected to a socket: 192.168.0.10:33322 127.0.0.1:631 gnome-cups-icon. this should not show up as transmitted via eth0 should it??? |
| 03:14.48 | a_monkey | is there a command for showing *when* a package was installed? |
| 03:14.56 | tuxmaster | debians version of stable is like rock solid that is why they do not get out versions that often |
| 03:14.57 | eleusis | is there a nifty graphical tool that displays dependencies between packages in a tree-like manner? :) |
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| 03:15.10 | tuxmaster | yep |
| 03:15.12 | gravity | eleusis: If you want to write one that'd be really really cool :-) |
| 03:15.13 | esno | what makes it more stable? |
| 03:15.13 | tuxmaster | dselect |
| 03:15.18 | jim | esno: run what you want, tell them to fsck off if they don't like it |
| 03:15.18 | eleusis | :D |
| 03:15.23 | tuxmaster | the rules and regulations |
| 03:15.29 | eleusis | it'd be an interesting challenge... |
| 03:15.30 | tuxmaster | of the definition of stable to them |
| 03:15.36 | ifup | Can someone tell me where hotplug sets permissions for usb cameras? |
| 03:15.40 | esno | jim: that's the attitude, i'm only curious if there any truth to it |
| 03:15.50 | gravity | eleusis: You can do it with aptitude, but you may want something more interesting |
| 03:15.55 | gravity | eleusis: aptitude should get you by though |
| 03:16.00 | yonkeltron | is the new debian installer available on floppies |
| 03:16.06 | gravity | eleusis: Just highlite your package name and hit enter |
| 03:16.09 | eleusis | ifup: probably a script within /etc/hotplug/ |
| 03:16.11 | gravity | yonkeltron: Yes |
| 03:16.21 | jim | esno: for one, there are many many more debian developers than developers for any other dist of linux |
| 03:16.43 | jim | and they apply care to their stuff for the most part |
| 03:16.45 | bykte | jim, does building the package takes a long time? |
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| 03:16.59 | yonkeltron | gravity: can you show me where? i need to install onto a dell latitude LS with only a floppy drive |
| 03:17.02 | jim | bykte: shouldn't. it should tell you what it's doing too |
| 03:17.12 | nse | Hello everybody, I'm having problems when trying to connect throught TCP 4662. I recently installed Debian Sarge so I'm sure there is no firewall program running, but tcp test on that port tells me that is unavailable (I'm running amule configured to work on 4662, amule is also connected to a server). There's no router hardware and I have phoned my internet provider in order to know if there's any limitation to my conection: there are not. I've |
| 03:17.12 | nse | searched the web for help but can't find anything that helps. Is there anything i'm missing? Could somebody point me out any url where i can find some helpful information? |
| 03:17.14 | bykte | yes it is.. |
| 03:17.16 | gravity | yonkeltron: It's on the d-i page |
| 03:17.43 | yonkeltron | gravity: what is the d-i page? i'm not up on the debian lingo |
| 03:17.43 | jim | nse: put that on a web page... keep it uptodate with new stuff you learn |
| 03:17.49 | gravity | !d-i |
| 03:17.50 | dpkg | somebody said d-i was the new installer for sarge (debian 3.1), at http://www.debian.org/devel/debian-installer/ or see debian-boot@lists.debian.org, but don't pester the d-i devs with unrelated questions, or see <debian-installer> |
| 03:17.55 | gravity | yonkeltron: Right there ^ |
| 03:17.56 | eleusis | gravity: yeah.. i'm using synaptic to get rid of packages i might no longer need.. problem is, i can remove a package, but that doesn't tell me about its dependencies (well, not easily anyway.. you have to right click and go to properties). if there was a nice graphical tree representation, i could see packages that i don't need, and which aren't needed as dependencies for other packages :P |
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| 03:18.12 | gravity | eleusis: You probably want deborphan |
| 03:18.19 | eleusis | deborphan, eh |
| 03:18.28 | gravity | eleusis: It'll check for libraries that don't have any dependencies any more |
| 03:18.42 | eleusis | excellent! :) |
| 03:18.48 | tuxmaster | eleusis dselect tells dependinces |
| 03:18.53 | jim | eleusis: dep relationship is available as a dotty graphviz thing |
| 03:18.57 | bykte | what does R & S means in stat? |
| 03:18.59 | jim | I forget how that's done |
| 03:19.07 | eleusis | jim: hmm |
| 03:19.09 | jim | Running, Stopped |
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| 03:20.05 | eleusis | http://www.debianplanet.com/node.php?id=695 :) |
| 03:21.32 | eleusis | haha |
| 03:21.35 | eleusis | apt-cache dotty! |
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| 03:22.02 | gravity | Yeah, graphviz rocks |
| 03:22.32 | eleusis | yep |
| 03:22.41 | jim | eleusis: yeah, that's the thing |
| 03:22.48 | eleusis | as well as doxygen + graphviz ;) |
| 03:22.52 | jim | then you feed that to the graphviz dot thing |
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| 03:23.18 | bykte | this is a stupid question, does anyone knows a bittorent torrent for commandline for debian? |
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| 03:23.41 | eleusis | jim: yeah.. the command on that url i pasted does it all :) |
| 03:23.49 | eleusis | apt-cache dotty $(dpkg --get-selections | grep -v deinstall | awk '{print $1}') |grep -F -- "$(echo -e =;echo {;echo };dpkg --get-selections | grep -v deinstall | awk '{print "-> "" $1 """}')"|dot -Tps >depgraph.ps |
| 03:23.50 | jim | bykte: torrent? what would the result be? |
| 03:24.05 | bykte | jim, huh? |
| 03:24.19 | bykte | jim, i dont get you |
| 03:24.19 | jim | same to ya |
| 03:24.26 | bykte | oh i see |
| 03:24.36 | jim | why not start by clarifying your question |
| 03:24.52 | bykte | erm.. let me rephrase, by any chance do you know a commandline bittorent client for debian? |
| 03:24.53 | eleusis | the bittorrent package has something like that, i think |
| 03:25.00 | gravity | It does |
| 03:25.00 | eleusis | not sure |
| 03:25.02 | jim | ohh |
| 03:25.08 | gravity | btdownload headless and curses |
| 03:25.11 | jim | a client for bittorrent |
| 03:25.18 | jim | gotcha |
| 03:25.29 | jim | and I dont' personally know of onw |
| 03:25.30 | tuxmaster | i was trying to upgrade my kernal |
| 03:25.36 | tuxmaster | and i shot my lilo |
| 03:25.37 | bykte | oh ok |
| 03:25.41 | tuxmaster | it will not install on boot anymore |
| 03:25.47 | tuxmaster | stupid me did not backup lilo |
| 03:25.51 | tuxmaster | is there a way to save it |
| 03:25.52 | jim | but you did not shoot the grubuty |
| 03:25.54 | bykte | gravity, the package name is btdownload huh? |
| 03:25.59 | gravity | bykte: bittorrent |
| 03:26.11 | peterS | bykte: 'apt-cache search bittorrent' would have told you much |
| 03:26.40 | epsilon | the bittorrent clients in that packages are beta stadium hacks |
| 03:26.48 | bykte | ok. |
| 03:27.00 | jim | what's a beta stadium |
| 03:27.09 | bykte | lol |
| 03:27.11 | bykte | dont know.. |
| 03:27.20 | tuxmaster | so what i am wondierng is how to i reconfigure lilo |
| 03:27.27 | epsilon | stage |
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| 03:28.05 | jim | tuxmaster: so you don't have a lilo.conf in /etc? |
| 03:28.06 | bykte | ah great, java finally installed.. thanks..saved the installation steps already :D |
| 03:28.27 | epsilon | java? then azureus :) |
| 03:28.30 | bykte | peterS, apt-cache search bittorent doesnt give any results :D |
| 03:28.38 | bykte | epsilon, i only have commandline access :D |
| 03:28.39 | peterS | bykte: -rrent |
| 03:29.13 | jim | bykte: good... ok, so now, say you want to upgrade your java, you get the .bin you want, make another package with make-jpkg and install that package... it will -replace- the previous java |
| 03:29.23 | bykte | oh |
| 03:29.34 | bykte | so no more the need of creating symbolic links |
| 03:29.36 | bykte | ok |
| 03:29.47 | jim | so, it makes things a little easier to try different javas out |
| 03:29.57 | epsilon | what's recommended, java "package" by Sun or by Blackdown? |
| 03:30.14 | bykte | Sun :D |
| 03:30.26 | jim | well, Blackdown does do good work |
| 03:30.31 | bykte | oh shucks, search for rrent returns non relevant links |
| 03:30.55 | epsilon | right now, I have blackdown installed on one sarge box... |
| 03:30.56 | bykte | peterS, sad to say, there are none.. lol |
| 03:31.01 | jim | tuxguy: in the channel please :) |
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| 03:31.14 | peterS | bykte: I meant bittorrent. you spelled it bittorent |
| 03:31.23 | bykte | oh.. |
| 03:31.27 | bykte | rofl sorry my mistake |
| 03:31.28 | tuxmaster | i do jim but when i boot i get all 99 |
| 03:31.31 | jim | bittoorrentt? |
| 03:31.34 | tuxmaster | i tryed reinstalling the kernel |
| 03:31.45 | tuxmaster | tryed configureing lilo.conf |
| 03:31.46 | peterS | bykte: but yeah, 'apt-cache search rrent' will give the same results plus more. it just looks for substrings anyway |
| 03:31.50 | jim | tuxmaster: try typing "lilo" |
| 03:32.14 | tuxmaster | Warning: COMPACT may conflict with LBA32 on some systems |
| 03:32.19 | tuxmaster | that should be ok though |
| 03:32.27 | tuxmaster | let me check real quick see if that did it |
| 03:32.36 | jim | maybe. make a boot floppy and be sure. |
| 03:32.45 | jim | before you reboot that is |
| 03:33.38 | tuxmaster | i had a boot floppy |
| 03:33.46 | tuxmaster | using boot floppy i had on install |
| 03:33.46 | bykte | peterS, nah no result |
| 03:33.51 | tuxmaster | nope did not work |
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| 03:34.18 | nse | jim: I'll do that. Do you know any good mailing list concerning about that subject? or which keyword should i google for searching that kind of mailing stuff? |
| 03:34.26 | dondelelcaro | !tell CybeR_GeeK about away |
| 03:34.27 | tuxmaster | when it starts i ge L 99 99 99 99 99 99 99 ..... |
| 03:34.28 | jim | well, you could try it |
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| 03:34.31 | tuxmaster | and then it stops |
| 03:34.47 | tuxmaster | should i try uninstalling and reinstalling lilo |
| 03:35.03 | hdkiller | tuxmaster, maybe try grub |
| 03:35.10 | CybeR_GeeK | debhelper ? |
| 03:35.14 | jim | oh, I thought you saw the page |
| 03:35.17 | tuxmaster | linux is its sole os |
| 03:35.17 | CybeR_GeeK | dondelelcaro que ?: |
| 03:35.21 | tuxmaster | so no need for grub |
| 03:35.25 | epsilon | tuxmaster: welcome to LILO-Hell |
| 03:35.27 | CybeR_GeeK | nao falo sua lingua gringo fididu |
| 03:35.30 | bykte | hrm..how comes packages.debian.org doesnt list python2.2 for stable.. only 2.1 and 2.3? 2.2? |
| 03:35.32 | tuxmaster | lol |
| 03:35.39 | jim | nse: http://www.debianplanet.com/node.php?id=695 |
| 03:35.41 | hdkiller | Grub is much more better than lilo IMHO |
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| 03:36.18 | jim | and lilo is less better than grub? |
| 03:36.21 | epsilon | tuxmaster: probably a misconfiguration for drive |
| 03:36.34 | hdkiller | jim, IMHO |
| 03:36.44 | hdkiller | much easier to handle.. |
| 03:37.20 | tuxmaster | maby it is a misconfiguration |
| 03:37.26 | tuxmaster | installing grub uninstalling lilo |
| 03:37.33 | nse | jim: what!? |
| 03:37.37 | jim | one thing that's nice is you can make a grub floppy and boot it into grub shell, then be able to install grub on whatever after you boot |
| 03:37.45 | jim | nse: http://www.debianplanet.com/node.php?id=695 |
| 03:38.07 | jim | I could increase the font size... would that be louder enough? |
| 03:38.14 | tuxmaster | 2 kernels might do it |
| 03:38.35 | jim | 2 kernels do not a bowl of popcorn make! |
| 03:38.49 | tuxmaster | lol |
| 03:39.07 | tuxmaster | let see what is that language called |
| 03:39.14 | tuxmaster | has someting to do with sientific calculators |
| 03:39.18 | nse | jim: i think you're misunderstanding something |
| 03:39.25 | jim | maybe |
| 03:39.28 | tuxmaster | jim is making a joke |
| 03:39.31 | jim | wouldnt' be the first time |
| 03:39.57 | tuxmaster | is anyone elce besides me going to watch hichhikers guide to the galixy when it comes out |
| 03:40.04 | zignig | tuxmaster: me! |
| 03:40.09 | jim | maybe me |
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| 03:40.18 | nse | jim: that's ok, don't you have any other? |
| 03:40.43 | jim | nse: explain what you want |
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| 03:40.53 | nse | jim: a joke |
| 03:41.31 | jim | explain what you wanted before :) |
| 03:41.43 | jim | something about visualizing dep relations |
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| 03:42.29 | tuxmaster | nope |
| 03:42.30 | nse | something about p2p clients, but i think i dit it. |
| 03:42.33 | tuxmaster | installing grub did not work ither |
| 03:42.41 | tuxmaster | maby i shot my loadlin |
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| 03:43.26 | bykte | jim, how come my python version doesnt update even after i install python 2.2? |
| 03:43.34 | bykte | dpkg -i python2.2_2.2.1-4.7_i386.deb |
| 03:43.56 | bykte | still Python 2.1.3 (#1, Sep 7 2002, 15:29:56) |
| 03:44.21 | bykte | am i missing something here |
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| 03:44.31 | jim | ohh, nse: sorry, wrong person.. got my wires crossed with someone who wanted to see a graphic of what packages depend on what |
| 03:45.15 | jim | dpkg: that's harsh... stop using a jackhammer to install packages |
| 03:45.30 | bykte | jim, did i do something wrong? |
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| 03:45.50 | pixil9 | Anyone here know a good media player either than VLC or mplayer or xine? |
| 03:46.00 | jim | bykte: try removing the old python package |
| 03:46.43 | bykte | so it's dpkg -r -P python |
| 03:46.46 | bykte | right? |
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| 03:46.59 | jim | what's the package name? |
| 03:47.12 | bykte | erm.. |
| 03:47.21 | bykte | how do i check? |
| 03:47.25 | bykte | wait let me try |
| 03:47.27 | jim | you should find out the correct package name before removing |
| 03:47.44 | pixil9 | Is there an X based apt-get manager? |
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| 03:48.08 | PabloEscobar | how do i set the default alsa output to "Front" instead of "Master" on my SBLive? |
| 03:48.18 | bykte | jim i give up.. dpkg -S python gives me a long list of dirs |
| 03:48.48 | jim | bykte: try dpkg -L | grep python |
| 03:48.55 | bykte | yeah did that alright |
| 03:49.00 | bykte | ii python 2.1.3-3.2 An interactive object-oriented scripting lan |
| 03:49.14 | bykte | so which is the package name? python? or 2.1.3-3.2? |
| 03:49.36 | jim | it looks like the package name is python |
| 03:49.59 | jim | which might mean it replaced your python with the older one |
| 03:50.13 | bykte | ok apt-get remove python |
| 03:50.43 | jim | if 2.1.3 is the latest available in woody, you're stuck for now |
| 03:50.49 | bykte | ah.damn unmet dependancies to remove.. |
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| 03:52.02 | jim | you could try apt-get install python |
| 03:52.08 | bykte | ok |
| 03:52.21 | bykte | Sorry, python is already the newest version. |
| 03:52.42 | jim | so that's the latest that was available when woody released |
| 03:52.48 | jim | why do you want newer? |
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| 03:53.21 | bykte | jim, because bittorent wont run below <2.2 |
| 03:53.34 | chazwurth | Does anyone here use Debian on Alpha? I'm wondering how Sarge would run on an Alpha server I just acquired, what the range of software available for it is, etc. |
| 03:53.39 | jim | find an older bittorrent that will |
| 03:53.42 | tuxmaster | this is getting me a little upset |
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| 03:54.25 | tuxmaster | oh well |
| 03:54.26 | jim | tuxmaster: what is? why? |
| 03:54.42 | flan | I am on Ubuntu... can someone tell me how to get GTK-Gnutella? It isn't in my sources list. |
| 03:54.47 | tuxmaster | i am trying to upgrade my kernel so i tryed apt-get install kernal ... |
| 03:54.52 | tuxmaster | and rebooted |
| 03:54.53 | kingsley | Must I use cups for a postscript printer? |
| 03:54.59 | jim | flan: #ubuntu |
| 03:55.02 | tuxmaster | after reboot it said L 99 99 99 99 |
| 03:55.11 | tuxmaster | with a hole bunch of other nines then hung on me |
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| 03:55.28 | tuxmaster | i think i did someting wrong |
| 03:55.33 | tuxmaster | but i do not know how to fix it |
| 03:55.57 | tuxmaster | tryed reinstalling lilo |
| 03:56.00 | jim | what happened after you typed lilo then booted? |
| 03:56.01 | tuxmaster | installing grub |
| 03:56.04 | tuxmaster | nothing |
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| 03:56.11 | tuxmaster | same old L 99 99 99 99 |
| 03:56.21 | tuxmaster | so now i am trying to reinstall it |
| 03:56.21 | hdkiller | tuxmaster, ok, where is the HDD? it's IDE, or SCSI? |
| 03:56.28 | tuxmaster | IDE |
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| 03:56.30 | zorton | will apt-get update upgrade point releases of woody? or will a dist-upgrade be needed? |
| 03:56.31 | hdkiller | tuxmaster, if IDE, what ide channel? |
| 03:56.35 | hdkiller | tuxmaster, primary master? |
| 03:56.41 | tuxmaster | primary |
| 03:56.43 | jim | ok, not sure why that happened... find out what 99 means |
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| 03:56.51 | hdkiller | tuxmaster, master or secondary? |
| 03:56.55 | tuxmaster | master |
| 03:57.00 | ritalin | anyone happen to know where a .deb is for fluxbox 9.12? |
| 03:57.07 | tuxmaster | i think what happened is one time while installing the kernel it crashed |
| 03:57.09 | ritalin | all I can find is 9.11 |
| 03:57.11 | hdkiller | is it a PC? |
| 03:57.13 | zorton | I saw a L 99 99 type thing when I did a half assed install of grub on a lilo system |
| 03:57.17 | hdkiller | a new or an old one? |
| 03:57.27 | zorton | with an xfs /boot partition |
| 03:57.28 | ritalin | <----PPC |
| 03:57.44 | hdkiller | tuxmaster, the hda is flaged as BOOTABLE? |
| 03:57.51 | tuxmaster | let me check |
| 03:57.56 | jim | zorton: oh right, that's supposed to not work with grub |
| 03:58.18 | tuxmaster | grr fdisk will not work |
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| 03:58.22 | tuxmaster | it should be hdkiller |
| 03:58.29 | tuxmaster | what is another partition program |
| 03:58.34 | tuxmaster | like the one debin used on install |
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| 03:58.44 | jim | fdisk or cfdisk |
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| 03:59.00 | jim | or the debian-installer one |
| 03:59.07 | jim | what program is that? |
| 03:59.10 | tuxmaster | says can not open disk drive |
| 03:59.15 | tuxmaster | that would be cfdisk |
| 03:59.19 | jim | you in as root? |
| 03:59.22 | tuxmaster | yep |
| 03:59.29 | jim | dunno what to tell ya |
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| 03:59.37 | toukitsune | where do I get logs from startup? |
| 03:59.53 | zorton | jim: *nod* that one caught me as well, needed to build the /boot partition out of ext2 or 3 |
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| 04:00.00 | hdkiller | tuxmaster, oke, then comment out the linear pragma in your lilo.conf and try whit lilo -L |
| 04:00.02 | jim | tuxmaster: how are you running fdisk? |
| 04:00.20 | hdkiller | tuxmaster, fdisk -l /dev/hda |
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| 04:00.48 | toukitsune | please. I need to get the bootup logs cause there was a problem that I don't understand what it means |
| 04:01.00 | zorton | is there a way of telling the point release of a woody install? like 3.0r3 vs 3.0r5? |
| 04:01.08 | tuxmaster | all i can say is thanks for boot floppys |
| 04:01.17 | sig | toukitsune: dmesg |
| 04:01.28 | sig | <PROTECTED> |
| 04:01.35 | jim | toukitsune: the log files are not readable as non-root,,, |
| 04:01.38 | hdkiller | tuxmaster, you should check this url: http://www.wlug.org.nz/LiloErrorCodes |
| 04:01.54 | bykte | jim, how do i remove the python which i installed earlier on? |
| 04:02.05 | bykte | will it conflict with the other installations of python? |
| 04:02.12 | jim | it doesn't look like it's installed |
| 04:02.15 | sig | bykte: apt-get --purge remove packagename |
| 04:02.35 | tuxmaster | <PROTECTED> |
| 04:02.36 | bykte | ok |
| 04:02.40 | tuxmaster | hdkiller that is it |
| 04:02.42 | tuxmaster | that is the 09 |
| 04:03.08 | hdkiller | tuxmaster, you said you got 99 99 99 no? |
| 04:03.10 | Guerin | zorton: apt-get update && apt-get dist-upgrade |
| 04:03.20 | hdkiller | 99 is not 0x9 |
| 04:03.25 | Guerin | zorton: point releases are nothing much more than security updates |
| 04:03.26 | jim | or was it 09 09 09 09? |
| 04:03.28 | hdkiller | tuxmaster, read the bottom of that page |
| 04:03.53 | toukitsune | hmmm there was some error thats not even listed in the logs |
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| 04:04.16 | sharkie | how do you reinstall a program using apt-get? |
| 04:04.23 | sig | man apt-get |
| 04:04.25 | tuxmaster | It would be helpful to note that users with older hardware, who encounter the L 99 99 99 99 ... error, that adding "linear" in lilo.conf may solve the problem. (It did for me!) |
| 04:04.30 | sharkie | i just destroyed the program |
| 04:04.37 | bykte | sig, how do i remove it? it gives me dir not empty errors when using --purge |
| 04:04.46 | toukitsune | I only get a --mark-- in the logs where I had to restart because of the error |
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| 04:05.04 | bykte | nvm it's ok |
| 04:05.27 | nse | <PROTECTED> |
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| 04:06.51 | zorton | Guerin: yeah, that's what I thought |
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| 04:07.22 | zorton | Gurerin: howver, I was l ooking over the changelog and see that the systme in question has ssh 3.4p1-1.woody.3 and the latest is .4 |
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| 04:09.01 | tuxmaster | hdkiller yep that is the prob |
| 04:09.09 | tuxmaster | but i have no clue how to do it |
| 04:09.54 | hdkiller | tuxmaster, did you followed the instructions? |
| 04:10.22 | hdkiller | tuxmaster, you should give a try about linear pragma in lilo.conf then lilo -L 'ing the stuff |
| 04:10.46 | WillySilly | well, this blows |
| 04:11.20 | tuxmaster | hdkiller how do i do that |
| 04:11.27 | tuxmaster | add |
| 04:11.28 | tuxmaster | that is |
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| 04:12.22 | hdkiller | tuxmaster, do u have the string 'linear' already in your lilo.conf or not? |
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| 04:12.38 | hdkiller | grep linear /etc/lilo.conf |
| 04:12.47 | tuxmaster | no i do not |
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| 04:13.26 | hdkiller | what kind of disk that? Please tell me more.. |
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| 04:14.31 | hdkiller | tuxmaster, but then try to add the string 'linear' into your lilo.conf |
| 04:14.38 | hdkiller | then rerun lilo |
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| 04:14.51 | testubuntu | how install latest kernel? |
| 04:14.52 | tuxmaster | nope that did not work |
| 04:15.09 | hdkiller | what is your bios= and your boot= ? |
| 04:15.15 | tuxmaster | going to try adding linear |
| 04:15.23 | tuxmaster | into my lilo.conf next |
| 04:15.36 | hdkiller | ok, try whit linear |
| 04:15.39 | tuxmaster | jsut a min |
| 04:15.43 | tuxmaster | rebooting |
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| 04:15.51 | hdkiller | good luck! |
| 04:16.17 | bykte | lol |
| 04:16.18 | _paul | Why doesn't www.thewiggles.com play any sound? |
| 04:16.21 | bykte | jim |
| 04:16.25 | bykte | i got it working the bittorent |
| 04:16.25 | bykte | Down: 72KB/s (720KB) Up: 110KB/s (1104KB) Need 674 (168MB) of 681 (170MB) pieces |
| 04:16.26 | bykte | 24: Download #7 Upload #3 Interested #3 Interesting #22 Choking #21 Choked #17 |
| 04:16.26 | tuxmaster | i do not want to know |
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| 04:16.41 | hdkiller | tuxmaster, is it ok now? |
| 04:17.06 | _paul | Is the flashplugin broken for kde? |
| 04:17.22 | hdkiller | _paul, for wich browser? |
| 04:17.28 | _paul | All |
| 04:17.38 | hdkiller | hmm, don't know.. |
| 04:17.55 | _paul | It works on one machine but no another... |
| 04:17.59 | tuxmaster | nope |
| 04:18.02 | tuxmaster | still broken |
| 04:18.05 | toukitsune | could someone tell me why linux wont log startup messages when the startup doesn't fully make it to the login prompt? |
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| 04:18.09 | tuxmaster | added the word linier to the lilo |
| 04:18.10 | hdkiller | tuxmaster, same L 99 99 ..? |
| 04:18.12 | tuxmaster | yep |
| 04:18.17 | hdkiller | linear ? |
| 04:18.45 | tuxmaster | yeo |
| 04:18.48 | tuxmaster | yep thjat word |
| 04:19.00 | hdkiller | tuxmaster, fdisk -l /dev/hda what says? Do u have any row marked whit a * ? |
| 04:19.04 | Guerin | zorton: upgrading should fix that |
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| 04:22.43 | sharkie | anyone here know what discard is? |
| 04:22.59 | sharkie | i think its a service |
| 04:23.15 | sharkie | i kind of figured out what it is |
| 04:23.20 | sharkie | but i need to know how to get rid of it |
| 04:23.28 | Guerin | sharkie: man inetd.conf |
| 04:23.31 | Xenguy | sharkie: I only know that it can be commented out |
| 04:23.37 | sharkie | ok |
| 04:23.39 | sharkie | how? |
| 04:23.41 | Guerin | sharkie: man inetd.conf |
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| 04:24.24 | _paul | Why doesn't the System |
| 04:24.31 | _paul | Bell sound under kde? |
| 04:24.33 | Xenguy | sharkie: edit /etc/inetd.conf and prepend a '#' character to the front of the line (that's called 'commenting' a line) |
| 04:24.34 | sharkie | Guerin: well inetd can just stop it and start the service |
| 04:24.42 | Guerin | _paul: probably arts. |
| 04:24.45 | sharkie | but i want it to stay stopped |
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| 04:24.56 | _paul | If I sound arts will it come back? |
| 04:25.03 | _paul | sound -> stop |
| 04:25.07 | sharkie | Xenguy: thank you |
| 04:25.15 | Guerin | _paul: if you kill it entirely, I expect so. |
| 04:25.26 | _paul | Cool, I'll try it. |
| 04:25.52 | Xenguy | sharkie: yw (you also need to restart inetd e.g. /etc/init.d/inetd restart) |
| 04:25.53 | Guerin | _paul: you have to actually turn it off in kcontrol, otherwise it'll start again |
| 04:26.17 | tuxmaster | hdkiller yes |
| 04:26.20 | sharkie | Xenguy: ok |
| 04:26.28 | tuxmaster | hdc1 is bootiable |
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| 04:26.34 | _paul | No problemo. |
| 04:26.37 | sharkie | tuxmaster: is there a such a program as hdkiller? |
| 04:26.50 | tuxmaster | i know |
| 04:26.56 | Guerin | sharkie: what makes you think there is? |
| 04:26.57 | tuxmaster | i was talking to somone in the fourm |
| 04:27.09 | tuxmaster | nor fourm room |
| 04:27.10 | sharkie | oh |
| 04:27.11 | sharkie | lol |
| 04:27.12 | sharkie | nvm |
| 04:27.17 | hdkiller | tuxmaster, sorry i cant help you more :| |
| 04:27.21 | _paul | Wow, now wiggles sound works. |
| 04:27.22 | tuxmaster | ok reinstall |
| 04:27.23 | hdkiller | tuxmaster, please try grub.. |
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| 04:27.31 | tuxmaster | tryed installing grub |
| 04:27.36 | tuxmaster | :| |
| 04:27.42 | hdkiller | sharkie, LMAO, how funny you are! |
| 04:27.42 | tuxmaster | did not work |
| 04:27.46 | YaNyZ | ae |
| 04:27.51 | YaNyZ | =] |
| 04:27.52 | hdkiller | sharkie, im going to uninstall myself!!!! |
| 04:27.52 | tuxmaster | reinstall time |
| 04:27.59 | hdkiller | ;-) |
| 04:28.08 | sharkie | hahah |
| 04:28.11 | sharkie | hdkiller |
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| 04:34.39 | Rucas | Hey, what's a good mp3 organizer/player? i have a big collection of files that i'd like to keep organized and play |
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| 04:34.53 | helix | Rucas: possibly rhythmbox |
| 04:35.35 | Rucas | rhythmbox can't edit tags yet, so it's organizing functions are basically useless |
| 04:35.39 | Rucas | :\ |
| 04:35.42 | jim | suddenly my imap server is showing me some or all of my mail has no date, subject, from info in my client, which is sylpheed |
| 04:36.03 | jim | the server is a courier imapd running on another box |
| 04:36.54 | jim | helix: are you having weird problems with some racist group called gnaa? |
| 04:37.00 | gpm | Rucas: yeah, i have my mp3s all sorted (so every mp3 is in ~/music/$genre/$artist/$album/$trackname)...i wrote a script to automatically write the tags based on location |
| 04:37.01 | Supaplex | for SOA dns records, what's the most widely accepted default values for refresh retry expire and TTL? |
| 04:37.07 | helix | jim: yeah |
| 04:37.24 | gpm | jim: they're a /. trolling group. i think they're not actually racist, but they pretend to be for shock value |
| 04:38.08 | jim | they came in here earlier claiming you tried to order them to flood here; they responded by saying they don't take orders from a (blah blah etc blah) |
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| 04:39.21 | helix | jim: they're obsessed with me *shrug* |
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| 04:46.53 | cafuego | They're not so much a group as a moron, though. |
| 04:46.54 | bykte | 589324 bytes/second how fast is that? |
| 04:47.00 | bykte | so |
| 04:47.00 | peterS | eight minutes almost / trolls and regulars alike / ignore #debian |
| 04:47.06 | bykte | i will divide that number by 1024 |
| 04:47.08 | cafuego | 589324/1024 |
| 04:47.12 | cafuego | !589324/1024 |
| 04:47.12 | dpkg | 575.51171875 |
| 04:47.20 | cafuego | That's about USB speed |
| 04:47.26 | bykte | oh ok that's my download speed.. on bittorent ok thanks |
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| 04:47.46 | pixil9 | How can i see how much memory I'm using? |
| 04:47.51 | cafuego | pixil9: 'free' |
| 04:47.52 | bykte | !163840/1024 |
| 04:47.52 | dpkg | 160 |
| 04:48.05 | cafuego | bykte: 1.5Mb DSL? |
| 04:48.24 | pixil9 | thanks |
| 04:48.34 | pixil9 | Why would gkrellm say I'm using like 20% and free 100% |
| 04:48.43 | peterS | cafuego: now now, 1.5Mb can't do better than 165 kB/s or so |
| 04:49.01 | cafuego | peterS: yes, I use 'B' and 'b' interchangably. |
| 04:49.28 | peterS | cafuego: until recently I *had* 1.5 Mb DSL. I figured it was probably a common speed increment |
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| 04:50.12 | cafuego | Mind you, if all goes well my exchange will be ADSL2+ enabled in Q3 2005 |
| 04:50.25 | cafuego | I'm far enough away to manage 24MB/sec |
| 04:50.32 | peterS | oh nice |
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| 04:51.12 | peterS | my phone line is apparently capable of 6 Mbit DSL |
| 04:51.42 | peterS | ADSL that is, I know nothing of the other and newer standards |
| 04:51.43 | cafuego | DSl1 or 2? |
| 04:51.55 | cafuego | 2 and 2+ use different technology/spectra. |
| 04:51.55 | peterS | I was told this by a tech about a year ago |
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| 04:52.36 | cafuego | I think 1 maxes out at around 8MB/s, 2 goes to 12, 2+ to 24 |
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| 04:53.10 | peterS | you talking bytes here? |
| 04:53.24 | cafuego | bits, sorry :-) |
| 04:53.32 | peterS | oh ok |
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| 04:54.06 | cafuego | aiyee? |
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| 04:54.17 | peterS | aiyee what? |
| 04:54.19 | cafuego | Microsoft VBScript runtime (0x800A01B6) Object doesn't support this property or method: 'setName' |
| 04:54.28 | peterS | heh |
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| 04:55.09 | enola | what is the right place to store a iptables script |
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| 04:56.09 | enola | the room is slow today |
| 04:56.24 | cafuego | enola: http://ftp.cc.com.au/pub/users/cafuego/ipt.tgz |
| 04:56.39 | peterS | !room |
| 04:56.39 | dpkg | CHANNEL! |
| 04:56.40 | cafuego | enola: conatins init.d script for auto-load/save to/from /var/lib/iptables |
| 04:57.09 | cafuego | enola: Specifically the set of scripts that USED to be in debian but got removed. |
| 04:57.41 | kenny | hi, anyone have any information on getting sound working under gnome? audio under xmms, xine, gstreamer etc works without any problems, but can't get sound to work in mozilla, gaim, nautilus etc... |
| 04:57.51 | enola | cafuego: i was not sure if i need to keep it in /etc/init.d or /etc/network/if-up.d |
| 04:58.02 | cafuego | enola: /etc/init.d/ is where I keep mine. |
| 04:58.18 | nipplesrulz | http://datorrents.com/forums/showthread.php?p=439#post439 my entire list in one place for all to drool yay! er if you have more i take donations >:) |
| 04:58.34 | enola | cafeugo: does debian have rc.local like redhat |
| 04:58.55 | peterS | enola: not by default. you are expected to add your own init scripts if you want them |
| 04:59.06 | cafuego | enola: Not as such, no. |
| 04:59.39 | jan_ | enola: thus: create your script in /etc/init.d/ , make it +x , symlink it to /etc/rcX.d/ |
| 04:59.52 | jan_ | where X is your runlevel, i think boot is 2 |
| 05:00.00 | bykte | cafuego, yeah.. 1.5/1.5 |
| 05:01.45 | cafuego | bykte: the round about 160-165 is the maximum you'll be able to do. |
| 05:01.58 | TU | How can i see if iptables are installed? |
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| 05:03.08 | bykte | ok but my 1.5 down is not fixed it's flexible.. |
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| 05:03.44 | enola | cafuego: the scripts you had online are not actual iptable rules |
| 05:03.53 | bucky | TU, dpkg -l iptables |
| 05:04.06 | TU | ok roo/ |
| 05:04.07 | TU | cool |
| 05:04.22 | TU | are the tables automagically saved? |
| 05:04.23 | TU | or .. |
| 05:05.14 | cafuego | enola: Correct. Those scripts save and load active rules. |
| 05:05.33 | cafuego | enola: Basically, you manually add the rules, then run the script to save them once. |
| 05:05.52 | bucky | TU, use /usr/share/doc/iptables/examples/oldinitdscript.gz for that... read it |
| 05:05.53 | cafuego | TU: No. |
| 05:06.27 | enola | cafuego: so if i want to store the rules in a file, i need to load the file using your scripts ?? |
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| 05:09.00 | TU | O.. |
| 05:09.02 | enola | cafuego: why are these scripts deprecated now |
| 05:09.12 | TU | i already have an iptables script in etc/init.d |
| 05:09.14 | TU | is that run on boot? |
| 05:10.06 | hdkiller | jan_, use update-rc.d instead of symlinking! |
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| 05:11.08 | hdkiller | for iptables, maybe better to use /etc/networking/if-up.d if-down.d |
| 05:11.23 | hdkiller | IMHO |
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| 05:12.13 | enola | cafuego: Thanks for the info |
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| 05:26.57 | lazurus | hello! I am working on a kernel module and I have built/installed my new kernel (via make-kpkg). Now I edit a file in my kernel tree and want to rebuild a new kernel, but I don't want to wait for everything to rebuild. Is there a way allow the make system to determine what needs to be rebuilt and just recompile that portion to give me a new .ko or .deb kernel image??? |
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| 05:27.45 | doleyb | lazurus: that's what make does by default, if it can. |
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| 05:28.51 | lazurus | doleyb: yes... but does make play nicely with make-kpkg? i am not getting very good mileage here... |
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| 05:29.16 | doleyb | lazurus: make-kpkg calls make. |
| 05:30.19 | doleyb | if it doesn't already minimize rebuilds, then i can't suggest any other way to cause it to do so. |
| 05:30.55 | doleyb | aside from installing ccache of course. |
| 05:30.58 | lazurus | doleyb: when I make-kpkg the second time, it wizzes through the tree, and (as far as I can see) doesn't rebuild any touched progs. |
| 05:31.04 | doleyb | (but its too late for you to use ccache now) |
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| 05:33.35 | lazurus | doleyb: ooo, ccache.. very interesting. "next time", eh? |
| 05:34.05 | lazurus | doleyb: how do you go about rebuilding stuff if you only touch a small portion of the source tree? |
| 05:34.50 | doleyb | lazurus: i don't normally edit the source tree. when i want to compile a special modules, i do so outside of the kernel source directory. |
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| 05:34.59 | doleyb | (although it includes /usr/src/linux/includes of course) |
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| 05:36.37 | lazurus | doleyb: ok, so perhaps I am doing the wrong thing? |
| 05:36.50 | jm_ | lazurus: just run make-kpkg again and it should run the needed make command to build the kernel - it will rely on kernel's build system to determine what needs building (this is much better with 2.6) |
| 05:37.04 | jm_ | i.e. don't run make-kpkg clean |
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| 05:38.03 | doleyb | jm_: yeah, you'd think that'd work, but she says it doesn't |
| 05:38.13 | lazurus | jm_: gee, i am probably doing something stupid, but when I do what you suggest, make-kpkg/make just doesn't notice it needs to recompile anything |
| 05:38.38 | doleyb | i wonder if "make dep" got ran, i wonder if linux even uses "make dep" anymore... |
| 05:38.45 | jm_ | lazurus: it's not up to make-kpkg, it's up to kernel's build system - make-kpkg is just an interface to it so you can create kernel-image-foo.deb package |
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| 05:39.45 | lazurus | jm_: Makefile "issues" then? |
| 05:40.01 | jm_ | lazurus: well try it without make-kpkg and see if things get built |
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| 05:41.58 | lazurus | jm_: ok will do. I did try that but things got nasty last time I did that. but I'll watch more carefully this time. |
| 05:42.52 | lazurus | doleyb: any suggested docos around building out-of-source-tree? |
| 05:43.36 | tvn | what's the Linux equivalent to Microsoft Project ? |
| 05:43.39 | zeeble | in /usr/src/linux/Documentation/ |
| 05:43.43 | zeeble | tvn: planner |
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| 05:44.05 | tvn | that was quick, thanks |
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| 05:44.43 | llama32 | hi ppl |
| 05:46.03 | llama32 | anyone know how i can find out wether im connected to the net (on dialup) with a script or something? |
| 05:46.40 | sep | llama32: ping ? |
| 05:47.05 | sep | or did you mean, connected with one or the other isp ? |
| 05:47.19 | zeeble | or type "ppp setup linux unruh" in google, and read the link. it should be a canadian site. |
| 05:47.53 | llama32 | nope ping'll do (im not really used to command line internet stuff) |
| 05:48.03 | zeeble | :) |
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| 05:48.36 | stouset | Mornin', folks. |
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| 05:51.45 | mike`_ | i'm so frustrated. my debian is just installed, but i can'taccept any files from any programs |
| 05:51.53 | mike`_ | that is like gaim and valknut |
| 05:52.03 | mike`_ | and i keep getting errors with my locales |
| 05:52.09 | mike`_ | but i've set them up properly |
| 05:52.10 | bob2 | "accept any files"? |
| 05:52.16 | mwilson | mike`_: Obviously not. |
| 05:52.39 | mike`_ | like if someone wants to send me a file over gaim, i can't accept it |
| 05:53.05 | bob2 | are you behind a "firewall"/"router"? |
| 05:53.36 | mike`_ | on a router atm, but when i boot any other OS there is no problem |
| 05:53.58 | mike`_ | and i didn't set up any firewall. at least not that i know of. |
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| 05:54.53 | mike`_ | installed debian with the base option |
| 05:55.05 | mwilson | mike`_: You run gaim on this "any other OS"? |
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| 05:55.35 | mike`_ | yes on windows |
| 05:55.39 | sep | mike`_: this any other dosnt happen to be windows ? and your router dosnt happen to be a upnp enabled router ? |
| 05:55.47 | Hamled|Erp | AnyOS doesn't actually have any IM clients yet, but one day... |
| 05:55.58 | mike`_ | i have bsd, windows, and osx here |
| 05:56.14 | mike`_ | and linux |
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| 05:56.28 | Hamled|Erp | mike, so I see you're prejudiced |
| 05:56.48 | sep | mike`_: and it works on the other three ? |
| 05:56.54 | mike`_ | there was a space between "any" and "os" |
| 05:57.07 | mike`_ | i don't want to get into semantics with you, i just want to accept a file |
| 05:57.15 | mwilson | mike`_: You're running gaim on Windows and BSD and Mac OS X, all three? |
| 05:57.17 | Hamled|Erp | why don't you run a HURD box? |
| 05:57.18 | atrus | are there utils for working with text files with set functions? like... find the subset of lines from file A that are also in file B, or not in file C.. or XOR.... etc? |
| 05:57.36 | mike`_ | no, i'm running it on windows |
| 05:58.04 | mwilson | Ok, then you're wasting our time in claiming it works on any other OS, right? |
| 05:58.25 | mike`_ | i didn't mean gaim specificly i ment file transfers |
| 05:58.39 | mike`_ | i can't accept any files from any users using any programs |
| 05:58.50 | mike`_ | programs like gaim or valknut |
| 05:59.30 | mwilson | Personally, it sounds to me like the router is doing its job. |
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| 05:59.54 | mike`_ | i'm sure it isn't because when i hook it up to my dorm line it doens't work |
| 06:00.04 | mike`_ | and osx accepts files fine |
| 06:00.15 | mike`_ | on my dorm connection |
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| 06:00.30 | mwilson | Boy, you just have to keep changing the rules, don't you? |
| 06:00.43 | mike`_ | no. |
| 06:00.47 | mwilson | Can you come up with only one story, and stick to it? |
| 06:00.48 | sep | mwilson: well he have atlest tried a lo before asking for help :) |
| 06:00.50 | mike`_ | i'm just letting you know that it isn't the router. |
| 06:01.01 | mwilson | mike`_: Except that it is, of course. |
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| 06:01.19 | mike`_ | mwilson then why don't i have any other problems when i use other operating systems? |
| 06:01.33 | sep | mike`_: does your router have upnp ?? |
| 06:01.37 | mike`_ | this problem, rather |
| 06:01.39 | mwilson | mike`_: I wouldn't know... you keep changing your story about what works and what doesn't. |
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| 06:02.33 | mike`_ | yes this router has upnp. |
| 06:02.49 | sep | mike`_: well i know windows have upnp support, osx probably also. |
| 06:02.51 | mwilson | Which means that Windows can at least find out if it's there. |
| 06:03.17 | mwilson | Not that uPnP is relevant, I'd think. |
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| 06:03.50 | mwilson | mike`_: Are you doing NAT, or do all these machines have public IP's? |
| 06:04.01 | sep | mwilson: isn't it exactly what upnp was made for,. aplications running, msn messneger aol, viruses and spyware can circumwent firewalls at will |
| 06:04.21 | mwilson | sep: Yes, but he claims gaim can do it. |
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| 06:04.28 | mike`_ | they are all NAT |
| 06:04.29 | tuxmaster | gaim rules |
| 06:04.50 | sep | mwilson: and gaim on windows probably dont know upnp... i get the point |
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| 06:06.06 | mwilson | mike`_: File transfers shouldn't be working at all, be grateful. |
| 06:06.27 | sep | mike`_: well you need to porrtforward a range of ports on your router to your computer, and tell gaim that these are the ports it should use. (that is _if_ the router is the problem) |
| 06:06.32 | oneo | hey all - im using KDM with autologin and it seems like no matter what i do it always goes into failsafe mode. has anyone heard of this and know a possible solution? |
| 06:06.41 | mike`_ | the machines are NATed but i'm connect to people that are still on campus |
| 06:06.43 | Guerin | don't use kdm |
| 06:06.48 | Guerin | don't use autologin |
| 06:07.04 | mwilson | mike`_: Who you're connecting to is not relevant. |
| 06:07.12 | oneo | ive tried gdm and xdm and those fix this problem but cause other problems |
| 06:07.22 | mike`_ | mwilson; you don't know what you're talking about. |
| 06:07.29 | mwilson | mike`_: Oh, really. |
| 06:07.48 | mwilson | mike`_: Do tell. |
| 06:07.53 | tuxmaster | so mike what egzactly is your problem |
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| 06:08.02 | tuxmaster | wisper it to me |
| 06:08.05 | tuxmaster | maby i can help too |
| 06:08.08 | Guerin | tuxmaster: exactly has neither a g nor a z in it |
| 06:08.08 | pixil9 | Can anyone recommend a good packaged media player??? |
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| 06:08.21 | mike`_ | yes |
| 06:08.22 | Guerin | and given your prior performance in here, I somehow doubt you can help |
| 06:08.24 | we_R_DNA | creating alsa driver ... hw:0|hw:0|1024|2|44100|0|0|nomon|swmeter|-|32bit |
| 06:08.25 | we_R_DNA | the capture device "hw:0" is already in use. Please stop the application using it and run JACK again |
| 06:08.25 | we_R_DNA | cannot load driver module alsa |
| 06:08.25 | we_R_DNA | 01:07:47.163 JACK was stopped successfully. |
| 06:08.25 | we_R_DNA | 01:07:49.173 Could not connect to JACK server as client. |
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| 06:08.33 | Guerin | pixil9: mplayer or xine |
| 06:08.34 | streuner | pixil9: xine, mplayer, vlc |
| 06:08.35 | we_R_DNA | ooops |
| 06:08.43 | Guerin | we_R_DNA: don't fucking paste |
| 06:08.49 | mike`_ | if you are connected to a NAT machines outside the firewall wouldnt be able to initiate connections to computers inside |
| 06:08.49 | pixil9 | streuner: where can i get an mplayer package?? |
| 06:08.50 | sep | famous last word |
| 06:08.52 | Guerin | tuxmaster: don't fucking message me |
| 06:08.58 | pixil9 | vlc is buggy for me :/ |
| 06:09.02 | mike`_ | however machines still inside the NAT would be able to connect |
| 06:09.04 | streuner | pixil9: marillat |
| 06:09.06 | mike`_ | so YOU do tell |
| 06:09.06 | Guerin | !marillat |
| 06:09.07 | dpkg | hmm... marillat is an unofficial repository containing packages not in Debian for patent-related reasons, <mplayer> being the most popular. See ftp://ftp.nerim.net/debian-marillat/index.html for details on how to add this repository to your sources.list |
| 06:09.07 | mike`_ | thx |
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| 06:09.35 | pixil9 | thx |
| 06:09.41 | tuxmaster | mike yes that is the perpose of it |
| 06:09.42 | Guerin | !factinfo marillat |
| 06:09.42 | dpkg | marillat -- last modified at Sun Jan 9 20:06:37 2005 by PerfDave!~grimoire@sparky.ox.compsoc.net; it has been requested 394 times, last by Guerin, 35s ago. |
| 06:09.50 | mwilson | mike`_: So, basically, you have no idea how these things work. Does that about cover it? |
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| 06:09.57 | tuxmaster | it can not do it becouse a local ip is not braudcasted to the world |
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| 06:10.13 | tuxmaster | you would have to setup ipchains or iptables to send it to a spacific computer |
| 06:10.29 | tuxmaster | but then only that computer can recive it |
| 06:10.37 | sanxiyn_ | !factinfo nptl |
| 06:10.37 | dpkg | nptl -- last modified at Mon Nov 29 00:59:29 2004 by jasonf!~jay@jasonf.user; it has been requested 4 times, last by sanxiyn_, 1m 50s ago. |
| 06:10.42 | tuxmaster | best thing to do is iniseate the connection yourself |
| 06:10.50 | tuxmaster | then do the tranfer |
| 06:11.09 | tuxmaster | that is what i do |
| 06:11.11 | Guerin | tuxmaster: is that a script? |
| 06:11.21 | tuxmaster | nope guerin |
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| 06:11.37 | Guerin | tuxmaster: the one which converts everything you want to say to really badly rendered phonetic spelling, I mean |
| 06:12.06 | tuxmaster | lol no i am just tierd and need to go practice my english |
| 06:12.14 | mwilson | Guerin: He sounds like an American college student. |
| 06:12.27 | tuxmaster | that is becouse i am one |
| 06:12.28 | Guerin | heh |
| 06:12.30 | mike`_ | how come i can accept files on OSX, but not on linux? |
| 06:12.46 | mwilson | mike`_: Are you running the same client on both? |
| 06:12.47 | nagual | good question |
| 06:12.48 | Guerin | I teach esl to middle schoolers who can spell better |
| 06:12.51 | Guerin | that scares me |
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| 06:13.32 | tuxmaster | maby the port is dening the request on your linux computer but not on your macX |
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| 06:13.56 | streuner | Guerin: no worries :-) |
| 06:14.00 | mike`_ | it's more than just one program. it is any program that allows me to accept files from other computers |
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| 06:14.10 | mike`_ | it's not just one client on this linux box |
| 06:14.11 | tuxmaster | guerin i blame the School districts for my bad spelling and gramer |
| 06:14.11 | mwilson | mike`_: That's not what I asked you, now is it? |
| 06:14.38 | tuxmaster | that is not the point |
| 06:14.44 | mike`_ | mwilson, i believe i answered that question some time ago now. |
| 06:14.58 | carnage | does linux have any ufs2 support? |
| 06:15.13 | Guerin | tuxmaster: why? I know plenty of americans who can spell. |
| 06:15.15 | tuxmaster | carnage google ufs2 suppor for linux |
| 06:15.31 | streuner | carnage: or grep your .config file |
| 06:15.32 | sep | carnage: man mount |
| 06:15.32 | pixil9 | cool mplayer is workin. thx a lot |
| 06:15.38 | pixil9 | bye bye vlc |
| 06:15.38 | sep | you need to specify the ufstype |
| 06:15.42 | mwilson | mike`_: Testing random applications is meaningless. |
| 06:15.45 | tuxmaster | guerin mostly it is not that mostly becouse i have not taken the time to learn it been learing other things |
| 06:15.57 | mwilson | mike`_: If you want to describe the behavior of the SAME application, that's relevant. |
| 06:16.16 | mike`_ | alright |
| 06:16.35 | shiversisshiveri | #go shivers |
| 06:16.44 | Guerin | merlincorey: you live! |
| 06:17.32 | pixil9 | How can i uninstall vlc and all of its dependencies |
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| 06:17.43 | Guerin | pixil9: apt-get install vlc ? |
| 06:17.44 | pixil9 | i tried apt-get remove but it only wanted to remove vlc |
| 06:17.51 | Guerin | oh, uninstall |
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| 06:18.08 | streuner | pixil9: /msg dpkg deborphan |
| 06:18.10 | Guerin | pixil9: use deborphan or debfoster |
| 06:19.08 | pixil9 | thx |
| 06:19.09 | pixil9 | deborphan |
| 06:19.12 | pixil9 | oops |
| 06:19.32 | carnage | S01060050fc71a11b:/mnt# mount -r -t ufs -o ufstype=ufs2 /dev/hdb2 /mnt/ufs |
| 06:19.32 | carnage | mount: wrong fs type, bad option, bad superblock on /dev/hdb2 |
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| 06:20.09 | streuner | pixil9: did you read the factoid? |
| 06:20.18 | zignig | bleh! |
| 06:20.21 | pixil9 | ya it worked good |
| 06:20.26 | streuner | ok |
| 06:20.27 | pixil9 | i just ran deborphan cleaned itall up |
| 06:20.30 | pixil9 | thanks |
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| 06:21.56 | pixil9 | i'm in love with debian.. no more freebsd |
| 06:23.41 | mike`_ | lol |
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| 06:24.13 | streuner | mike`_: pardon? |
| 06:24.52 | tuxmaster | has anyone in here tryed asembly programing |
| 06:24.53 | tuxmaster | just a q |
| 06:25.01 | Guerin | !polls |
| 06:25.01 | dpkg | "Does anyone have X or use Y?" is taking a poll, not asking a valid question. Don't do it or sussudio's army of militant badgers will hurt you. Also see <ask> and <bad polls> |
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| 06:26.18 | daaku | i'm trying to figure out to to fsck my root partition.. do i need to pass a kernel option to signal this on a boot? |
| 06:26.39 | tuxmaster | daaku read man fsck |
| 06:26.57 | Guerin | daaku: shutdoen -rF |
| 06:27.03 | Guerin | s/doen/down/ |
| 06:27.11 | zeeble | heh |
| 06:27.46 | daaku | Guerin: thanks! |
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| 06:28.59 | sep | tuxmaster: yes on the 8066 a looong time ago |
| 06:29.11 | streuner | hehe |
| 06:30.12 | sep | tuxmaster: dosnt hurt knowing it even if you dont think you'll use it |
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| 06:31.02 | pixil9 | Anyone know how to make my cdrom accessible by a user? |
| 06:31.06 | zignig | does anyone know where dovecot-imap stores its mail ? ( it's not in /var/spool/mail |
| 06:31.21 | Guerin | pixil9: change the group ownership on the device |
| 06:31.23 | pixil9 | er give a user mount privs i guess |
| 06:31.26 | pixil9 | oh ok |
| 06:31.28 | sanxiyn_ | "A: I use notepad. B: An editor that can't do syntax highlighting sucks. A: I can do higlighting on the monitor with marker pens..." |
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| 06:31.35 | Guerin | zignig: it'll be documented, naturally enough |
| 06:31.38 | pixil9 | in /dev ? |
| 06:31.39 | cafuego | zignig: imap? Usually in $HOME/ somewhere. Try $HOME/Maildir/ |
| 06:31.49 | sig | sanxiyn_: lol |
| 06:31.49 | Guerin | sanxiyn_: hah |
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| 06:31.58 | zignig | Guerin: can't see it on the dovecot site.... |
| 06:32.16 | zignig | cafuego: this is virtual mail.... , it does not seem to be where exim is spooling it. |
| 06:33.22 | cafuego | zignig: Wheee! |
| 06:33.36 | cafuego | zignig: is exim handing mail off properly? |
| 06:33.53 | zignig | cafuego: yep , and the mail is there on multiple clients , but not in the spool ;/ |
| 06:34.58 | cafuego | zignig: <heh> |
| 06:35.02 | cafuego | zignig: lsof |
| 06:35.32 | tuxmaster | zingnig did you read what the manual said |
| 06:35.46 | tuxmaster | did you look at the config file |
| 06:35.56 | tuxmaster | it may be diffrent for each setup |
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| 06:38.53 | zignig | tuxmaster: I did , and it's picking the mail up , but once you move it into another folder ( not INBOX ) , it hides it somwhere. |
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| 06:42.26 | zignig | .<mailbox> files in /var/spool/mail/ |
| 06:42.30 | zignig | oops ;) |
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| 06:43.35 | buu | Hrm. How can you tell which libmysqlclient-dev version you need? |
| 06:43.52 | greister | Have the emule client on debian ? |
| 06:44.01 | sanxiyn_ | greister: amule and xmule |
| 06:44.11 | TBBle | buu: That depends on what you want to do with it. |
| 06:44.30 | buu | TBBle: I installed mysql-server which installed mysql-client and so forth, I was trying to link an external app against mysql |
| 06:45.29 | TBBle | Then prolly mysqlclient12-dev. I don't know of anything mysqlclient14-dev does that 12 doesn't, and 10 doesn't do 4.1 new-style passwords. |
| 06:46.06 | buu | Well, I installed -14 already |
| 06:46.24 | buu | Would I need -12 instead for any reason? |
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| 06:47.00 | TBBle | Only if you're also linking against other libraries that link against a libmysqclient version, in which case they need to be the same, or you'll get random nasty crashes. |
| 06:47.23 | buu | Ok. |
| 06:47.33 | buu | The issue is a not finding the libs at all, so I'll blame the other app. |
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| 06:49.32 | sanxiyn_ | buu: As libmysqlclient12 is default in Debian testing/unstable now, most packages link with it. |
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| 06:49.51 | buu | sanxiyn_: Well, I'm compiling the app, so it shouldn't be a problem |
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| 06:51.42 | TBBle | Yeah, if the app can't find the headers/libraries, then it's almost certainly wrong. ^_^ |
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| 06:59.55 | kreg | anyone know how to turn off directory list in /etc/apache/httpd.conf ? |
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| 07:01.14 | zignig | kreg: take out the mod_autoindex stanza out of the config. |
| 07:01.28 | fl0w | cut the mod_autoindex. |
| 07:01.45 | fl0w | Oh, sorry, I 've got lag. |
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| 07:02.04 | zignig | fl0w: heh, better feed your pidgeons a bit more ;) |
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| 07:07.28 | kreg | zignig, i think that did it, but look at this result for example. it still lists the contents just in a unformated layout i seems. http://www.roenfeldt.com/~kreg/ |
| 07:09.15 | oneo | has anyone seen this error before while trying to compile something: /usr/bin/ld: cannot find -lartsc |
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| 07:11.41 | zignig | kreg: just drop an index.html file in the directory. |
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| 07:14.01 | zignig | kreg: or take the Indexes option out of the /var/www/ Directory directive. |
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| 07:17.42 | kreg | still no change |
| 07:17.51 | kreg | i set 755 for all of the public_html dir |
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| 07:19.15 | zignig | did you restart apache ? |
| 07:19.43 | sanxiyn_ | zignig: heh |
| 07:19.51 | omry | how do I reconfigure the source list (via depk-reconf) ? |
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| 07:20.15 | sanxiyn_ | omry: by editing /etc/apt/sources.list by hand? |
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| 07:20.25 | zignig | kreg: that's a nice telephone patch box btw. |
| 07:20.34 | kreg | heh |
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| 07:21.45 | kreg | someone wanted to see how bad bad could get |
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| 07:23.47 | guoshuang | ... |
| 07:23.50 | zignig | kreg: that's pretty shocking , I've seen a 'bout the same but packed with wasps nests. |
| 07:24.00 | zignig | kreg: that was nasty. |
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| 07:24.49 | somnambulantdead | i've got a question about getting my onboard sound to work properly? is this the right place to ask? |
| 07:24.49 | kreg | yep. Someone offered me some grunt work to clean it up |
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| 07:25.22 | kreg | but i'm hesitante considering it's outdoors in an unsealed box, and 100mb doesn't like to have a splice, even if it's punched down. |
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| 07:25.51 | greister | Does Debian has some of WebHost Manager such as cPanel? |
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| 07:26.05 | nagual | root_: get a user account to irc as |
| 07:26.06 | cafuego | greister: No. |
| 07:26.49 | greister | How to manage webhost on debian ? |
| 07:27.08 | cafuego | greister: with a shell and an editor. |
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| 07:28.42 | kreg | zignig, yep just removed indexes and it's fine i think. |
| 07:28.58 | zignig | kreg: wOOt |
| 07:29.03 | sanxiyn_ | "I'm not here. This isn't happening." -- from some changelog |
| 07:29.11 | kreg | heh thanks |
| 07:29.14 | cafuego | ??? ?? ??? |
| 07:29.20 | zignig | kreg: no trouble. |
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| 07:29.28 | somnambulantdead | what is the newest version of alsa? |
| 07:29.30 | zignig | cafuego: oops. |
| 07:29.40 | cafuego | somnambulantdead: Whatever is in the latest 2.6 kernel. |
| 07:29.47 | jm_ | somnambulantdead: the ALSA web page will tell you |
| 07:30.07 | sanxiyn_ | greister: Not virtualmin. |
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| 07:30.41 | somnambulantdead | methinks i should try to get the 1.0.9rc2 |
| 07:31.29 | somnambulantdead | 1.0.8 still doesn't function properly for my cmi9739 POS onboard sound |
| 07:31.36 | omry | sanxiyn_, apt-setup |
| 07:32.22 | Guerin | !test |
| 07:32.23 | dpkg | No, guerin, you're not online any more. |
| 07:32.57 | Guerin | somnambulantdead: go and bust out $10 on a worthwhile sound card |
| 07:32.59 | cafuego | somnambulantdead: Do you knbow how cheap SB Live cards are? |
| 07:33.26 | somnambulantdead | got one... the 24-bit one... didn't fuckin work |
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| 07:34.03 | cafuego | !doesn't work |
| 07:34.04 | dpkg | Look buddy, doesn't work is an ambiguous statement. Does it sit on the couch all day? Does it want more money? Does it waste its time on IRC all day long? Please be specific! Define 'it' and what it isn't doing. |
| 07:34.19 | omry | my /var/lib/dpkg/status file got messes up (it has a parse error), how can I rebuild it? |
| 07:34.33 | cafuego | omry: Replace the backup. |
| 07:35.06 | somnambulantdead | ok... it didn't work in Windows... which makes it useless for a dual boot environment... |
| 07:35.13 | cafuego | sanxiyn_: No need to imagine, just LOOK at fooz. |
| 07:35.26 | cafuego | somnambulantdead: An SB that doesn't work in Windows? |
| 07:35.28 | omry | cafuego, too late for that, they are identical |
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| 07:35.33 | cafuego | Are you sure the CARD is the problem? |
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| 07:35.42 | somnambulantdead | right... creative blames it on sp2 |
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| 07:36.02 | cafuego | My CrapLive works fine under SP2 |
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| 07:36.15 | somnambulantdead | and i checked around... not entirely an uncommon issue |
| 07:36.22 | somnambulantdead | sblive 24-bit? |
| 07:36.28 | omry | cafuego, any other suggestion maybe? |
| 07:36.43 | cafuego | omry: $EDITOR |
| 07:36.58 | b33r | can i get debian to comminicate via l2tp/ipsec with a windows machine? |
| 07:37.04 | cafuego | somnambulantdead: value, no idea how many bit |
| 07:37.52 | somnambulantdead | maybe just a bad card from breast buy... but with my car wrecked i am no longer in a financial position to buy soundcards... especially when what i have works |
| 07:37.53 | sanxiyn_ | omry: Try look at /var/backups/dpkg.status.*? |
| 07:38.01 | omry | yeah, was afraid you would say that. it says package kde has no version. so I just stick some version there? |
| 07:38.37 | sanxiyn_ | (I think dpkg.status is backuped there...) |
| 07:40.10 | mngrif | what's the package i should apt-get to switch to 2.6.x? |
| 07:40.21 | mngrif | and will it have preempt? |
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| 07:41.15 | mngrif | somnambulantdead: i was in the same predicament a while back.. ended up spending $20 on a SB USB card that is quite the workhorse, i must say.. definately has the best sound quality through headphones i've ever heard from a computer |
| 07:41.35 | somnambulantdead | the only real problem is that the master control does _nothing_ |
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| 07:41.38 | somnambulantdead | i have to control everything using 4 seperate VIA DXS controls... |
| 07:41.39 | somnambulantdead | which randomly change depending on how many programs decide to play audio |
| 07:41.42 | somnambulantdead | oh... and the master mute doesn't work... only mute PCM does |
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| 07:42.32 | somnambulantdead | if i had the money i would just buy a card... but i don't now, and as i have figured out my intellimouse back/forward issue this is the last thing bothering me |
| 07:42.44 | omry | sanxiyn_, yeah, this helped. thanks. |
| 07:44.29 | mc-rocks | <-- Well, i compiled my new kernel with Bootup Logo support. Does anyone know how I activate the Logo? (Kernel 2.6.11, Debian) |
| 07:44.54 | Humbe | I use a laptop with dockingstation. Keyboard/mouse/monitor works fine through docking station, but sound does not get through to the speakers. The computer seems to get that I have connected speakers, because it turns off the internal ones.. But sound isn't sent to the external speakers.. Any suggestions on how to fix?.. |
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| 07:45.27 | mwilson | Repair the broken docking station. |
| 07:46.13 | liable | Humbe: line out muted? |
| 07:46.14 | Delph | line out not amplified like the internal one is? |
| 07:46.16 | Delph | (headphones vs lineout) |
| 07:46.23 | Humbe | It works in windoze... So should be able to work somehow.. Brand new too... No.. I get sound from internal speakers as soon as I unplug extgernal ones.. And I've tested that the speakers themselves work.. |
| 07:46.38 | Humbe | Hmm.. I'll check headphones :) |
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| 07:46.59 | liable | Humbe: alsamixer, check the channels |
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| 07:50.18 | Humbe | Used aumix.. Seemed there were a pcm2 channel that had no volume.. Thanks.. |
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| 07:52.37 | Trewas | I wonder if sarge would have been already released if there were not idiotic flamewars regularly on debian-devel mailing list, like the current "All GPL'ed programs have to go to non-free" :) |
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| 07:53.20 | dondelelcaro | Trewas: probably not, because the flamewars only take a small percentage of time |
| 07:53.43 | dondelelcaro | Trewas: that, and it's not like most of the people involved in them are holding up the release anyway |
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| 07:54.14 | sanxiyn_ | Trewas: Well, flamewars don't have much to do with testing-proposed-updates or ARM autobuilder or whatever release-blocking... |
| 07:54.34 | Trewas | true, and I guess most of the devels stay out of those anyway |
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| 07:55.09 | Trewas | but still, some stupid thread seems to come up every other week with eight million emails :) |
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| 07:56.09 | dondelelcaro | Trewas: *shrug*. It's not like you can't plonk a thread. |
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| 08:01.23 | eleusis | :D |
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| 08:07.59 | zignig | great : http://macromedia.com/macromedia/proom/pr/2005/adobe_macromedia.html |
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| 08:08.15 | zignig | more monopolies to make people turn to linux |
| 08:08.17 | zignig | mwhahaha |
| 08:08.18 | tombs | please, could someone tell me where can I find the movies that I downloaded with Amule ? |
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| 08:12.47 | DwyaneWade | do you have any idea why when i shutdown linux it does it's job but when attempting to cut off power it returns Code:Bad EIP Value /etc/rc0.d/S90halt : line48 Sgmentation fault ? |
| 08:12.55 | DwyaneWade | that line is:halt -d -f -i $poweroff $hddown |
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| 08:18.10 | rebecca__ | ive got a rather annoying sound problem. occasionally xmms will cease being able to play sound. but amarok will work. then eventually amarok will stop working, and xmms will work again. |
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| 08:22.15 | tvn | that sucks |
| 08:22.16 | tvn | I use Windows for multimedia ... |
| 08:22.16 | Crasp | what does it say when it "stops working"? |
| 08:22.17 | Crasp | does it say the device is busy or something? |
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| 08:22.49 | rebecca__ | Crasp: xmms will just skip through the playlist without playing anything |
| 08:23.01 | rebecca__ | if i try to reload the playlist, xmms will crash |
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| 08:23.22 | Crasp | heh |
| 08:23.26 | Crasp | and if you just open 1 mp3? |
| 08:24.10 | Crasp | xmms is a bit weird sometimes |
| 08:24.18 | Crasp | on this machine my X crashes when i start xmms |
| 08:24.27 | greister | how to chech the log of debian box. |
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| 08:24.42 | greister | how to check the log of debian box. |
| 08:24.42 | Crasp | or when i visit a website with flash using firefox |
| 08:24.45 | Crasp | greister: cat /var/log/* |
| 08:24.46 | rebecca__ | i tried to open a single mp3. and xmms just stopped responding |
| 08:25.01 | Crasp | rebecca__: sounds like a bug |
| 08:25.27 | rebecca__ | with the sound system or xmms? |
| 08:25.37 | Crasp | xmms i suppose |
| 08:25.43 | Crasp | i installed beep |
| 08:25.47 | Crasp | it looks like xmms |
| 08:25.52 | Crasp | except that it doesn't crash :) |
| 08:26.08 | Crasp | also supports winamp skins etc |
| 08:26.30 | Crasp | apt-get install beep-media-player |
| 08:26.50 | Crasp | try that and see if that doesn't "crash" |
| 08:26.51 | Crasp | if that also crashes it's probably a soundsystem issue |
| 08:26.59 | greister | Use what to analyse logs. |
| 08:27.10 | Crasp | greister: logs are just text |
| 08:27.21 | rebecca__ | ok |
| 08:27.31 | Crasp | greister: and i don't know what you mean by "analyse" |
| 08:27.43 | Crasp | greister: if you want to search for something specific you should use grep |
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| 08:28.21 | greister | to see somebody access my ftp,www,ssh etc. |
| 08:28.22 | Crasp | rebecca__: if it's a soundsystem bug, try switching to alsa if you use oss or the other way aroudn |
| 08:28.29 | Crasp | greister: /var/log/auth.log |
| 08:28.39 | Crasp | greister: that's for ftp/ssh |
| 08:29.02 | Crasp | greister: /var/log/apache<something> is (probably) for your www |
| 08:29.33 | greister | I means use something such as logwatch. |
| 08:29.39 | Crasp | greister: i don't know anything about that |
| 08:29.48 | Crasp | greister: you might want to try awstats for apache logs |
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| 08:29.58 | Crasp | greister: i don't know anything usefull for auth |
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| 08:34.08 | nipplesrulz | sighs and goes to bed |
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| 08:36.59 | liable | !nickometer nipplesrulz |
| 08:37.00 | dpkg | 'nipplesrulz' is 0.000% lame, liable |
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| 08:37.01 | liable | hmmm dpkg dead? interested to see what it thought, my childish mind likes it |
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| 08:37.11 | CroatianNinja | what is the easiest was to play DVDs in debian? |
| 08:37.13 | liable | dpkg: too slow |
| 08:37.13 | dpkg | hmm... too slow is when you got a connection so slow, that by the time you download a days worth of updates to sid, it's the next day :/ |
| 08:37.17 | CroatianNinja | !dvd |
| 08:37.17 | dpkg | it has been said that dvd is use xine or ogle to play video DVDs |
| 08:37.32 | Delph | buy a dvd player and plug it in your TV =:) |
| 08:37.55 | nipplesrulz | !nickometer nipplesrulz |
| 08:37.59 | CroatianNinja | -.- |
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| 08:38.07 | Crasp | i like xine |
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| 08:38.19 | nipplesrulz | dam |
| 08:38.31 | nipplesrulz | what a mean bot :/ |
| 08:38.54 | liable | nipplesrulz: it replied earlier |
| 08:38.54 | nipplesrulz | i know |
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| 08:39.02 | nipplesrulz | i wondered if that was random |
| 08:39.03 | CroatianNinja | Crasp, not totem? |
| 08:39.06 | nipplesrulz | or based on something |
| 08:39.10 | nipplesrulz | or whatever.... |
| 08:39.41 | Crasp | CroatianNinja: never seen it |
| 08:39.56 | Crasp | CroatianNinja: besides that i have an xbox now which i use for dvdplaying ;) |
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| 08:46.58 | michael1234 | Has anyone install xen on there linux box? If so what did you think |
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| 08:51.04 | Cat_ | Hello. For an unknown reason, I don't have kernel files in /boot anymore, so I'm trying to install them on the hdd from another computer. I copied the kernel-image package on the disk, chrooted to it, but the postinst script cannot access /dev/null, although it needs to do it. What should I do? |
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| 08:52.31 | streuner_ | Cat_: take a rescue CD or floppy |
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| 08:52.48 | streuner_ | Cat_: chroot it and apt-get reinstall the kernel-image |
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| 08:52.57 | Cat_ | I forgot to say my damaged computer can only boot from hdd |
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| 08:53.06 | streuner_ | oh |
| 08:53.09 | Cat_ | I did a dpkg -i kernel-image |
| 08:53.14 | Cat_ | from the chroot |
| 08:53.23 | Solet | how do i start the gui vim that colors php code? |
| 08:53.27 | xrgtn | have fun: `apt-get remove bash` -- blah blah blah -- "dpkg (subprocess): unable to execute post-removal script: No such file or directory". -- Stupid thing tries to execute bash.postrm which is shellscript. ;) |
| 08:53.36 | Cat_ | But I get /var/lib/dpkg/info/initrd-tools.postinst: line 9: /dev/null: Permission denied |
| 08:54.06 | mwilson | xrgtn: So? Why would that be a problem? |
| 08:54.08 | xrgtn | this is a bug in bash package |
| 08:54.09 | streuner_ | Cat_: is the FS read-only? |
| 08:54.11 | wombachi | Solet: ":syn on" |
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| 08:54.54 | Cat_ | streuner_: No |
| 08:55.18 | mwilson | xrgtn: How do you figure? |
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| 08:55.20 | xrgtn | mwilson: very easy. bash should do as much as possible in prerm, while /bin/sh symlink is still there |
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| 08:55.43 | xrgtn | and either have no postrm at all, or code it in C or use update-alternatives sh |
| 08:55.44 | streuner_ | Cat_: ok, try to mv (move) the initrd-tools.postinst and all files beginning with initrd* to /tmp |
| 08:56.09 | Cat_ | ok |
| 08:56.16 | mwilson | xrgtn: Oh, I'm sorry... I didn't know that you had passed a law requiring only bash to be used for /bin/sh |
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| 08:56.16 | xrgtn | mwilson: the latter also requires all shell packages to provide sh alternative |
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| 08:56.30 | xrgtn | mwilson: you don't even understand |
| 08:56.32 | streuner_ | Cat_: why didn't you use apt-get? |
| 08:56.38 | Cat_ | all from /var/lib/dpkg/info ? |
| 08:56.43 | streuner_ | nope |
| 08:56.50 | streuner_ | Cat_: initrd* |
| 08:56.51 | mwilson | All shell packages? That'd be interesting. Gonna file a bug against tcsh because it doesn't register an alternative for sh? |
| 08:57.23 | Cat_ | streuner_: Because I don't have internet access from the chroot |
| 08:57.33 | xrgtn | mwilson: me? not now. This will require a large discussion |
| 08:57.43 | streuner_ | Cat_: yes, you have i-net |
| 08:57.51 | streuner_ | Cat_: even in chroot |
| 08:57.59 | wombachi | On woody, I got libmm11 (1.1.3-6.3) and qpopper (4.0.4-2.woody.4) upgrades, but the changelog says they date back to 11/2004 and 12/2004 ! How is it possible? I dont see any DSA for those in 2004/2005 |
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| 08:58.40 | xrgtn | mwilson: about using tcsh/zsh/whatever instead of bash: you need to manually symlink it to sh beforetrying to remove bash |
| 08:58.41 | streuner_ | Cat_: if the kernel supports you NIC ;-) |
| 08:58.45 | Cat_ | ok, sorry. I will try with apt-get |
| 08:58.46 | streuner_ | s/you/your/ |
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| 08:59.09 | mwilson | xrgtn: You really have no idea about shells, do you? |
| 08:59.09 | streuner_ | Cat_: make you use an kernel which supports your NIC and you are fine. |
| 08:59.10 | xrgtn | there's no sh alternative in existence |
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| 08:59.19 | streuner_ | Cat_: make sure* |
| 08:59.33 | Cat_ | streuner_: NIC ? |
| 08:59.39 | streuner_ | !nic |
| 08:59.39 | dpkg | from memory, nic is (Network Interface Card) The NIC is an add-in board that enables a computer to connect to some form of computer network.. Network Information Center |
| 08:59.41 | chealer | wombachi: http://www.debian.org/News/2005/20050416 |
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| 08:59.50 | Cat_ | ok |
| 08:59.55 | chealer | wombachi: look for "mm" |
| 08:59.55 | xrgtn | mwilson: what do you mean by "no idea about shells"? |
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| 09:00.23 | mwilson | xrgtn: Do you actually believe that tcsh should, or even could, be a sh alternative? |
| 09:00.36 | mwilson | That'd be entertaining to watch, but not very effective. |
| 09:00.50 | Cat_ | streuner_: I don't work with apt-get neither: same error. |
| 09:01.02 | xrgtn | wait a minute. bash is _required_ _essential_ package. That's why there's no alternative to sh, I think |
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| 09:01.26 | Solet | :syn on doesnt color the php text... |
| 09:01.38 | xrgtn | about having tcsh to provide sh alt..., I think it should |
| 09:01.42 | streuner_ | Cat_: did you mv those initrd* files to /tmp? |
| 09:01.49 | xrgtn | and ksh should |
| 09:01.53 | xrgtn | mwilson: and so on |
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| 09:01.55 | mwilson | I was right... you don't know anything at all about shells. |
| 09:02.14 | wombachi | chealer ok thanks. I'll read it |
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| 09:02.26 | Cat_ | No: I don't know which files (in which folder) you are speaking about |
| 09:02.31 | xrgtn | mwilson: be more precise |
| 09:02.53 | streuner_ | Cat_: /var/lib/dpkg/info/initrd* |
| 09:02.57 | Cat_ | ok |
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| 09:03.14 | mwilson | xrgtn: No need to be, if you actually think tcsh is a Bourne shell. |
| 09:03.25 | xrgtn | I? no. |
| 09:03.38 | streuner_ | !tcsh |
| 09:03.39 | dpkg | rumour has it, tcsh is the Tennex C SHell. It has many advanced features not found in bash such as filetype and hostname based command line completion, and lots more. get some nice dotfiles for it from dotfiles.com and check it out!, or doesn't have the powerful sh's file descriptors redirection features |
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| 09:03.52 | Cat_ | streuner_: Great! initrd-tools is now installed! |
| 09:04.06 | xrgtn | But it can be used as such in some situations. Running bash.postrm amongst them. |
| 09:04.08 | Cat_ | streuner_: What was the problem? |
| 09:04.12 | streuner_ | Cat_: do you use lilo? |
| 09:04.16 | Cat_ | grub |
| 09:04.20 | streuner_ | uhm |
| 09:04.22 | mwilson | streuner_: Didn't you know? Even though it's not a Bourne shell, tcsh is still a drop-in replacement for one. |
| 09:04.35 | schneiderj | when I run network config, I have the following error : "config loading is not possible" "error during sript execution" |
| 09:04.48 | schneiderj | how can I reinitiallise this config ? |
| 09:04.53 | streuner_ | Cat_: you should re-run grub to make sure the bootloader is correctly installed |
| 09:05.16 | Cat_ | streuner_: kernel-image isn't isntalled correctly |
| 09:05.29 | streuner_ | Cat_: what error? |
| 09:05.31 | Cat_ | streuner_: Paramétrage de kernel-image-2.6.8-2-686 (2.6.8-13) ... |
| 09:05.31 | Cat_ | /usr/sbin/mkinitrd: neither /dev/fd or /proc/self/fd exists! |
| 09:05.32 | Cat_ | Try mounting the proc filesystem: mount -tproc none /proc |
| 09:05.32 | Cat_ | Failed to create initrd image. |
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| 09:06.00 | Cat_ | streuner_: Wop! Sorry for the flood. |
| 09:06.04 | CroatianNinja | Solet, :set syntax=php |
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| 09:06.17 | Cat_ | streuner_: Did you get the messages? |
| 09:06.20 | streuner_ | Cat_: ok, you need to reinstall initrd-tools |
| 09:06.54 | xrgtn | mwilson: hint: there's a priority value for alternatives |
| 09:06.54 | streuner_ | Cat_: yep |
| 09:07.05 | Cat_ | streuner_: I did it, and there was no error. |
| 09:07.07 | mwilson | xrgtn: Bigger hint... you still don't get it. |
| 09:07.14 | hdkiller | where can i ask general linux questions? |
| 09:07.16 | xrgtn | so you can rate tcsh as low a bourne shell as you like |
| 09:07.55 | streuner_ | Cat_: of course not :-) You removed the script-files in /var..../info/ :-) |
| 09:07.56 | hdkiller | where are developers and etc? |
| 09:07.56 | streuner_ | heh |
| 09:07.57 | streuner_ | hdkiller: try #linux |
| 09:08.06 | hdkiller | streuner_, it's not kernel related.. |
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| 09:08.20 | Cat_ | streuner_: Ok :-) So what should I do. |
| 09:08.20 | streuner_ | hdkiller: do you running debian? |
| 09:08.27 | hdkiller | streuner_, yeah |
| 09:08.44 | streuner_ | Cat_: reinstall initrd-tools? |
| 09:08.45 | chealer | #linux points to ##linux here |
| 09:08.59 | hdkiller | okey, i got the point, i want a suid binary, but i don't really get why isnt set the id on execution |
| 09:09.02 | streuner_ | Cat_: the same proceture to kernel-image |
| 09:09.17 | Cat_ | streuner_: But with the files in /var/lib/dpkg/info/ ? |
| 09:09.21 | elephantman | Hi all |
| 09:09.25 | xrgtn | mwilson: anyway, having a sh alternative is only a one workaround for bash removal bug |
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| 09:09.35 | chealer | hdkiller: where you can ask questions about linux and where developers are are two different questions |
| 09:09.43 | xrgtn | mwilson: do you agree that bash.postrm is nonsense? |
| 09:09.47 | hdkiller | -rwsr-sr-x 1 root root 7498461 Apr 18 09:52 php ||| echo "<? echo posix_getuid().'\n'; ?>" | ./php ||| 1000 |
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| 09:09.53 | elephantman | Is it possible with SVN (CVS like) to update a remote source with my local sources ? |
| 09:10.05 | streuner_ | Cat_: if you get an error with 'apt-get install initrd-tools' just mv the initrd* files back |
| 09:10.13 | hdkiller | chealer, yeah, actualy my question was wrong |
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| 09:10.32 | mwilson | xrgtn: Not at all. Nor is having a sh alternative any sort of fix for the non-existent bug. But hey, I'll be looking forward to the bug you file. |
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| 09:10.39 | hdkiller | chealer, i just want something where i can talk whit developers and etc.. Im actualy a newbie in developing the 'linux' world |
| 09:11.10 | hdkiller | so i need some ppl whose shows the 'way' |
| 09:11.16 | hdkiller | but btw, why my php binary don't get the root's uid? |
| 09:11.17 | chealer | hdkiller: by "'linux' world", you'd mean GNU/Linux world? |
| 09:11.29 | Cat_ | streuner_: I think the problem is: /usr/sbin/mkinitrd: neither /dev/fd or /proc/self/fd exists! |
| 09:12.01 | hdkiller | chealer, yeah |
| 09:12.08 | streuner_ | Cat_: initrd-tools isn't correctly installed |
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| 09:12.14 | xrgtn | mwilson: OK, wait a bit and you'll see |
| 09:12.23 | xrgtn | mwilson: a bug, I mean |
| 09:12.26 | streuner_ | Cat_: and those kernel-images in debian need initrd |
| 09:12.40 | Cat_ | streuner_: I moved the files back to /var/lib/dpkg/info, ran apt-get install initrd-tools, and got no error. |
| 09:12.45 | pingouin_ | ah la memoire ;) |
| 09:12.46 | streuner_ | Cat_: even in install process of kernel-images |
| 09:12.58 | streuner_ | fine |
| 09:12.58 | hdkiller | but btw, why my process dosn't change UID ? |
| 09:12.58 | pingouin_ | faut pratiquer.... |
| 09:13.04 | streuner_ | !fr |
| 09:13.04 | dpkg | Les personnes qui parlent francais et qui ont besoin d'une aide a propos de Debian peuvent venir sur #debian-fr - People speaking french and in need of support for debian, please join #debian-fr |
| 09:13.07 | pingouin_ | oppw |
| 09:13.08 | pingouin_ | ww |
| 09:13.23 | pingouin_ | streuner_: on the starting block ? ;) |
| 09:13.37 | streuner_ | pardon? |
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| 09:14.44 | chealer | hdkiller: you're using php4-cli? |
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| 09:15.22 | hdkiller | chealer, it's a cgi binary btw |
| 09:15.22 | chealer | hdkiller: there is no place where developers of all species hang |
| 09:15.28 | Solet | when i try to run gvim i get E25: GUI cannot be used: Not enabled at compile time, how do i fix this? |
| 09:15.41 | hdkiller | chealer, i know.. |
| 09:15.51 | chealer | Solet: hum, did you compile that by yourself? |
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| 09:15.58 | Solet | no |
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| 09:16.10 | hdkiller | actualy i try to implement chroot() into php-cgi but i stuck on the suid part ;) |
| 09:16.14 | Solet | i got the package exactly is it was off the net |
| 09:16.29 | chealer | Solet: ...I have no idea |
| 09:16.46 | Cat_ | streuner_: What should I do next? |
| 09:16.48 | chealer | hdkiller: ok, I know nothing about CGI |
| 09:16.48 | Solet | whats the apt-get command to reinstall a package? |
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| 09:17.13 | streuner_ | Cat_: well, is kernel-image correctly installed? |
| 09:17.19 | hdkiller | chealer, ok i was lame, posix_geteuid returns 0 so binary runs as uid 0 |
| 09:17.22 | Cat_ | streuner_: No |
| 09:17.31 | Bebabo | i have a hd crash on a remote server, any idea how to do that w/o writing to that disk, i tried tar -cj thedata | scp - otherhost:thedata.tar.bz2 but it seems scp doesn't want the -. any ideas ? |
| 09:17.42 | Cat_ | streuner_: But it seems initrd-tools is. |
| 09:17.53 | streuner_ | Cat_: install it correctly and rerun grub without errors |
| 09:17.59 | sml | exit |
| 09:18.00 | sml | oopz |
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| 09:18.39 | Cat_ | streuner_: I don't manage to install it correctly. I get the error messages I posted five minutes ago. |
| 09:18.56 | wombachi | ok, libmm11 and qpopper are in 3.0r5. But why didnt they appear in apt before (s.d.o woody/updates)? What could be wrong? |
| 09:20.11 | streuner_ | Cat_: did you take the advice to dpkg yet? |
| 09:20.15 | Hamled|Erp | anyone here know much about the alias file? |
| 09:20.15 | streuner_ | s/to/of/ |
| 09:20.26 | Hamled|Erp | err the /etc/aliases file |
| 09:20.51 | Gnea | <PROTECTED> |
| 09:20.55 | Hamled|Erp | I know |
| 09:20.55 | Cat_ | streuner_: Sorry, I don't understand your question. |
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| 09:21.03 | wombachi | Hamled|Erp format is 'name: alias' but what's your question anyway? |
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| 09:21.23 | Solet | whats the apt-get syntax for reinstalling a package? |
| 09:21.26 | Hamled|Erp | wombachi, well naturally I can have foo: bar, and then bar: bob after that, yes? |
| 09:21.34 | chealer | wombachi: the page says it's not a security update |
| 09:21.34 | streuner_ | Cat_: its the same error (/proc/ /fd)? |
| 09:21.42 | Cat_ | yes |
| 09:21.43 | jm_ | Solet: read the man page |
| 09:22.08 | Solet | i did... its way to long and confusing... it looks like i should apt-get --reinstall install vim |
| 09:22.09 | streuner_ | Cat_: dpkg gave you an hit, mount those |
| 09:22.10 | Solet | but that didnt work |
| 09:22.19 | streuner_ | s/hit/hint/ |
| 09:22.22 | wombachi | chealer I though stable updates were only security related. Ok, I was wrong, sorry |
| 09:22.30 | jm_ | yes, and it works just fine |
| 09:22.31 | wombachi | Hamled|Erp yes |
| 09:22.43 | Cat_ | streuner_: But I don't have a floppy drive! |
| 09:22.44 | Gnea | hrm |
| 09:22.47 | Hamled|Erp | wombachi, ok, then what would happen if I have foo: bob, and later on bar: bob ? |
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| 09:22.53 | Hamled|Erp | errr |
| 09:23.08 | Hamled|Erp | bob: foo and bob: bar |
| 09:23.12 | Crasp | anybody here who's running awstats.pl as a cgi script (the debian package) |
| 09:23.22 | wombachi | chealer I guess first will be selected. man aliases? |
| 09:23.32 | chealer | wombachi: no problem. however I couldn't explain for qpopper |
| 09:23.53 | Hamled|Erp | wombachi, k |
| 09:24.17 | Hamled|Erp | wombachi, also, I think it's alias: name |
| 09:24.30 | Solet | jm_: when i type that it keeps talking about the moz packagage i tried to install |
| 09:24.35 | wombachi | chealer seems ftpmaster had problems. http://packages.debian.org/changelogs/pool/main/q/qpopper/qpopper_4.0.4-2.woody.4/changelog |
| 09:24.47 | streuner_ | Cat_: just give me there a second time, only one line. |
| 09:25.10 | jm_ | Solet: sort that out first |
| 09:25.12 | wombachi | Hamled|Erp it's correct syntax. I use it on a prod srv. man aliases |
| 09:25.21 | streuner_ | Cat_: s/there/the error/ |
| 09:25.29 | Hamled|Erp | perhaps we're using different terminology, in any case, I have no manpage for aliases :( |
| 09:25.29 | Gnea | mysqld listens on all IP's (aka 0.0.0.0:3306) I just want it to listen on 127.0.0.1:3306 is there a specific configuration directive for this? I tried host = 127.0.0.1 to no avail.. should i just go ahead and have iptables block it then? |
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| 09:25.59 | Cat_ | streuner_: /usr/sbin/mkinitrd: neither /dev/fd or /proc/self/fd exists! |
| 09:26.07 | chealer | wombachi: yeah, so it would fix http://www.debian.org/security/2003/dsa-259 |
| 09:26.15 | Gnea | oh snap |
| 09:26.17 | Gnea | bind-address |
| 09:26.18 | Gnea | nevermind |
| 09:26.31 | streuner_ | Cat_: how did you install debian only with HD? |
| 09:26.35 | chealer | wombachi: that's strange anyway |
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| 09:26.56 | Hamled|Erp | wombachi, thanks for the help, I think I figured out the answer to my question |
| 09:26.57 | Guerin | Gnea: by default, it's got skip-networking or something switched on |
| 09:27.08 | Cat_ | streuner: That was at potato's time. At the time, I had ms-dos on my hdd and I booted with loadlin. |
| 09:27.08 | jethro | moin |
| 09:27.10 | Solet | removing a package is apt-get --remove then what? |
| 09:27.20 | Guerin | Solet: no. read man apt-get |
| 09:27.26 | wombachi | chealer indeed. I didnt understood. I dont feel comfortable when I get security fix from late 2003 in mid 2005 :-/ |
| 09:27.30 | Gnea | Guerin: right but i catch it with netstat -nap |
| 09:27.30 | jethro | PerfDave: thanks for the synaptic tip, just read it |
| 09:27.33 | Gnea | hrm |
| 09:27.36 | Gnea | i tried bind-address and that didn't work... |
| 09:27.57 | Solet | Guerin: that man page is too damned long i cant follow it |
| 09:28.04 | Guerin | Gnea: can you connect from an external host, using the default config? |
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| 09:28.19 | Gnea | Guerin: yes |
| 09:28.24 | Guerin | Solet: you don't need to follow it. You just need to read the bit about removing packages. |
| 09:28.30 | Gnea | tcp 0 0 0.0.0.0:3306 0.0.0.0:* LISTEN 7373/mysqld |
| 09:28.37 | Gnea | what, it's not obvious? :P |
| 09:28.44 | Guerin | Gnea: by default, you shouldn't be able to, with the debian package. |
| 09:29.01 | Gnea | yeah i'm messing around with the settings |
| 09:29.04 | Gnea | trying to lock it down more |
| 09:29.16 | b33r | can anyone remind me what packages i should grab to get a gui running on a base system? |
| 09:29.18 | Guerin | Gnea: skip-networking should be on, and then it'll be fine. |
| 09:29.36 | Guerin | b33r: x-window-system and the wm of your choice |
| 09:29.38 | Gnea | Guerin: well it required to run on localhost for this installation. |
| 09:29.47 | streuner_ | Cat_: do you have any other kernels installed on that system? |
| 09:29.48 | b33r | thanks Guerin |
| 09:29.58 | Cat_ | streuner_: No! |
| 09:30.10 | Cat_ | streuner_: I have to install it from the chroot. |
| 09:31.03 | b33r | if i install gdm will it grab kde stuff aswell? |
| 09:31.09 | chealer | no |
| 09:31.18 | b33r | k good |
| 09:31.31 | streuner_ | Cat_: well, if initrd-tools doesn't work for, don't use them then ;-) |
| 09:31.32 | chealer | gdm has nothing to do with KDE |
| 09:31.32 | streuner_ | Cat_: you* |
| 09:31.58 | Cat_ | streuner_: Ok, so what should I do to install a kernel to this hdd? |
| 09:32.06 | jethro | !lart me for dhclient'ing remotely on a one legged machine, and the dhcpd is down |
| 09:32.06 | liable | Cat_: how did you get into a chroot? without a cd ot floppy |
| 09:32.06 | streuner_ | Cat_: in other words, just use an kernel-image which doesn't use initrd |
| 09:32.09 | wombachi | b33r "apt-get install gdm kde" |
| 09:32.25 | Cat_ | liable: I put the hdd on another computer. |
| 09:33.03 | wombachi | b33r gdm is Gnome display manager |
| 09:33.16 | b33r | i know |
| 09:33.20 | Cat_ | streuner_: Ok. Do you know which one don't use initrd? |
| 09:33.30 | Solet | are there any packages in woody that arent supported in sarge? |
| 09:33.30 | streuner_ | Cat_: no |
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| 09:33.43 | b33r | i remember seeing some KDE files getting downloaded when installing gdm for some reason |
| 09:33.46 | jm_ | Solet: yes, some pakages have been removed from Sarge |
| 09:33.53 | streuner_ | Cat_: bf2.4 don't use initrd |
| 09:34.09 | Solet | jm_: where can i find a list of said lost packages? |
| 09:34.31 | Guerin | !wayttd Solet |
| 09:34.32 | dpkg | What Are You Trying To Do, Solet? |
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| 09:35.07 | Solet | i'm thinking upgrading to sarge will help me fix a few of my problems... |
| 09:35.09 | jm_ | Solet: I don't know if there's a list, maybe packages.qa.debian.org can help you |
| 09:35.18 | streuner_ | Cat_: so you wanna say, that box which you are using actually doesn't have a floppy, right? |
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| 09:35.31 | Guerin | diff a list of all the packages in woody against same list for sarge |
| 09:35.59 | jm_ | yeah grab Packages.gz file for both and process it with grep-available or whatever |
| 09:36.05 | Cat_ | streuner_: The one I'm using and the damaged box don't have floppy. |
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| 09:37.54 | cyder | hello |
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| 09:38.42 | Solet | thats a lot of work... debian really shoulda provided a list of dropped packages.... |
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| 09:39.14 | Hamled|Erp | what would be the correct directory to place a standard welcome email (to be mailed to users when they are added) ? |
| 09:39.22 | Solet | oh well.. i g2g |
| 09:39.25 | cyder | is debian suited for : Dell Precision 670 Xeon 2*3000Mhz, 1024Mb Ram ... |
| 09:40.03 | fflush_win32_zzz | cyder: the same way as any other Linux distribution |
| 09:40.08 | SlayerXP | cyder: which idiot bought that? |
| 09:40.11 | pink1 | Anyone know why apm doesn;t work after I had updated/upgraded a few days ago? |
| 09:40.13 | Hamled|Erp | Cyder, nope it only runs on 386's |
| 09:40.33 | cyder | SlayerXP: i found this "server" @ 800 Euro |
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| 09:40.40 | cyder | and i want 2 buy it |
| 09:40.41 | cyder | :) |
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| 09:41.05 | SlayerXP | cyder: you found a dual xeon for 800 euros? url? |
| 09:41.05 | jethro | cyder: how many but it do you want? |
| 09:41.40 | cyder | http://www.pcmadd.com/extra.htm |
| 09:41.41 | svnt | Need help kernel 2.4.16-686 no modules found when boot.. |
| 09:41.47 | cyder | from romania.. |
| 09:42.06 | jethro | hah |
| 09:42.20 | cyder | ce-i jerome :P |
| 09:42.24 | cyder | jethro |
| 09:42.57 | Cat_ | streuner_: Ok, I installed 2.4.18-bf2.4 that way. I will be back in 20 minutes to tell you whether it worked. |
| 09:42.59 | jethro | ce-i what? |
| 09:43.06 | cyder | that "hah" |
| 09:43.53 | pink1 | it's a tower unit - no use in racks..... |
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| 09:44.18 | cyder | yes.. but for a "personal use" it's a good price |
| 09:44.39 | Hamled|Erp | what would be the correct directory to place a standard welcome email (to be mailed to users when they are added) ? |
| 09:45.06 | jethro | cyder: what's "ce-i" supposed to mean in english? |
| 09:45.33 | cyder | jethro: i thought that u'r "ro" comes from Romania :) |
| 09:45.42 | liable | streuner_: I have a funny feeling you just did cats homework for him/her ;) |
| 09:45.44 | cyder | "ce-i" = what |
| 09:45.48 | Zibar | hi all - i have compiled a new kernel (2.6.8) and is ready to test it - i cant find lilo.conf though ?? |
| 09:45.55 | Zibar | i have installed debian sarge |
| 09:46.01 | spdf | Zibar, /etc/lilo.conf |
| 09:46.13 | jethro | cyder: would you mind typing whole words and not talk in such an AOL like fashion? |
| 09:46.14 | ledet | Zibar: why didnt you just install a kernel-image? |
| 09:46.24 | resiak | Zibar: Unless you deliberately installed lilo instead during install, you now use Grub. Why not just use a kernel-image anyway? |
| 09:46.32 | Dewi | I'd like to build a box to play with mythtv. Have any of you tried mythtv under debian? good / bad experiences? |
| 09:46.33 | spdf | Zibar, Are you sure its lilo? |
| 09:46.43 | Dewi | most of the mythtv users seem to be on fedora |
| 09:46.55 | Zibar | no its not - they are right - its grub |
| 09:46.55 | Dewi | but I'm kind of hesitant to go back to RH |
| 09:47.00 | cafuego | spdf: /msg lilo its it you? |
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| 09:47.03 | Zibar | havent used that before |
| 09:47.05 | spdf | cafuego, er ah... |
| 09:47.05 | cafuego | Dewi: Installs and runs fine, I just don't have any tv hardware |
| 09:47.13 | Zibar | kernel image ? :) |
| 09:47.15 | streuner_ | liable: i doubt that :-) |
| 09:47.34 | resiak | Zibar: apt-get install kernel-image-2.6.8-2-686, reboot with it, be happy. |
| 09:47.37 | Dewi | cafuego: happen to know if the general debian kernel image is likely to work with it? |
| 09:47.42 | Zibar | so which file do i modify then ? |
| 09:47.45 | Dewi | cafuego: (2.6 I'd say) |
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| 09:48.09 | spdf | cafuego, I suppose I omited a few required words.. |
| 09:48.10 | resiak | Zibar: /boot/grub/menu.lst but unless you have a reason to roll your own kernel, just use a Debian kernel image. |
| 09:48.13 | cafuego | Dewi: No reason it shouldn't. |
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| 09:48.14 | liable | streuner_: hmm seem to remember a poopsy kernel a while ago :0 |
| 09:48.22 | Zibar | well - i need to compile some ati drivers and the instructions told me to install the kernel source and make sure the setting is right so i chose to compile a new kernel |
| 09:48.26 | streuner_ | liable: poopsy? |
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| 09:48.32 | resiak | Zibar: /msg dpkg kernel-package |
| 09:48.38 | liable | streuner_: I think you had to be here |
| 09:48.38 | resiak | Zibar: Then you can make it do the dirty work for you. |
| 09:48.46 | Zibar | ok thanks |
| 09:49.09 | streuner_ | liable: anyway, we'll see what happens... |
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| 09:49.13 | liable | streuner_: rename a kernel so that uname -r shows poopsy |
| 09:49.55 | cafuego | Linux macchiato.cc.com.au chickenfeet-k7 #1 Thu Nov 25 04:13:37 UTC 2004 i686 GNU/Linux |
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| 09:50.06 | sunevil | hello |
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| 09:50.17 | s-toned | there is a file I can't remove because it's busy (famd) -> can I free or flush it? |
| 09:50.19 | sunevil | one mirror to download woodyr5 |
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| 09:50.43 | cafuego | s-toned: It's probably safe to kill famd. |
| 09:51.02 | s-toned | cafuego: once and for all or temporarily? |
| 09:51.10 | cafuego | s-toned: Either way |
| 09:51.23 | riot | i did the first.It never hurt me again. |
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| 09:57.44 | yoc | in mutt, how to delete a how thread |
| 09:57.44 | yoc | ? |
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| 09:59.43 | timo | yoc, ctrl+d |
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| 10:00.46 | [Timmeh] | sorry quick question how to kill a single proccess? |
| 10:01.20 | eye69 | [Timmeh]: man kill |
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| 10:01.58 | lvdz | hello |
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| 10:02.52 | yoc | timo, thanks, how to commit real deletion? |
| 10:02.56 | [Timmeh] | kill login-server is what i been typing |
| 10:03.01 | yoc | timo, without exit |
| 10:03.08 | jm_ | yoc: press ? and read |
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| 10:03.22 | yoc | jm_, what to grep |
| 10:03.36 | yoc | jm_, d donest delete immediately |
| 10:03.43 | [Timmeh] | -bash: kill: login-server: no such pid |
| 10:03.45 | zahod | exactly, kill the pid [Timmeh] |
| 10:03.54 | [Timmeh] | ?? |
| 10:03.59 | [Timmeh] | oi c |
| 10:04.02 | Guerin | [Timmeh]: you didn't rtfm, did you |
| 10:04.19 | [Timmeh] | ahh i got it nvm |
| 10:04.21 | Guerin | timo: ps ax |grep login-server # first number is pid |
| 10:04.44 | jm_ | yoc: sync |
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| 10:05.43 | yoc | jm_, thanks |
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| 10:06.25 | [Timmeh] | i was typing the proccess name not the pid thats why i couldnt get i to work =/ |
| 10:06.34 | [Timmeh] | *feels stupider then normal* |
| 10:06.37 | jm_ | killall works with names |
| 10:06.46 | [Timmeh] | i c |
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| 10:09.56 | pink1 | anyone know of any reason why apm doesn't work after the latest update/grade ? |
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| 10:10.14 | Guerin | pink1: solar flares |
| 10:10.23 | pink1 | :-p |
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| 10:11.51 | Cat_ | streuner_: I'm writing from my repaired computer! |
| 10:11.52 | streuner | pink1: badgers? |
| 10:12.00 | Cat_ | streuner_: Thanks a lot! |
| 10:12.10 | streuner | Cat_: :-) |
| 10:12.25 | streuner | Cat_: always have different kernels on your hd, not only one kernel. |
| 10:12.42 | SuperSox | never! one kernel and a livecd, live life on the edge! |
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| 10:12.53 | Cat_ | streuner: That's a good advice! I will follow it! |
| 10:13.18 | Gnea | hahaha |
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| 10:13.57 | crashbg | where can i find the apt-get logs?\ |
| 10:14.08 | Gnea | what apt-get logs? |
| 10:14.27 | helmi | Hallo, I am looking for the right package to install. I need the GD library version 2.0.15 at least. Do anyone know? |
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| 10:14.28 | crashbg | Gnea, when i apt-get install something, i get logged right? |
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| 10:15.06 | Gnea | crashbg: the installed packages get noted, but the output you see on your terminal isn't explicitly logged... |
| 10:15.21 | Gnea | crashbg: what are you looking for, exactly? |
| 10:15.28 | PitchForkLinux | Anyone here willing to offer some advise on partitioning strategies? I have two SATA 120 Gig drives, and two 300 Gig IDE drives. Main purpose is as a files server and I want to have a redundant raid 1 on root in case of disk failuer. Any Ideas on how to divide these drives up? |
| 10:15.33 | Guerin | apt-get doesn't keep logs |
| 10:15.34 | crashbg | Gnea, actually i need to trace the apt-get update process |
| 10:15.40 | Guerin | if you want logs, use aptituse |
| 10:15.42 | Guerin | de |
| 10:15.45 | crashbg | to find which apt's are empty |
| 10:15.56 | Guerin | crashbg: an 'apt' can't be empty |
| 10:15.59 | Gnea | 'empty'? |
| 10:16.07 | liable | crashbg: are you worried about the 'apt-get install porn' logs ;) |
| 10:16.10 | Gnea | Guerin: 404 |
| 10:16.20 | Guerin | E: property 'empty' is not vald for 'apt' |
| 10:16.22 | crashbg | liable, nope :) |
| 10:16.26 | crashbg | i'm the only user : |
| 10:16.48 | Guerin | Gnea: 808? |
| 10:17.01 | crashbg | so apt-get doesn't produce any logs? |
| 10:17.01 | Gnea | Guerin: 404 - when a file is not found on a webserver |
| 10:17.04 | Gnea | c'mon |
| 10:17.05 | Gnea | use yer head |
| 10:17.10 | Gnea | (on yer shoulders) |
| 10:17.14 | Guerin | Gnea: 808 - very old and cool drum machine |
| 10:17.21 | Guerin | Gnea: about the same relevance, I figure |
| 10:17.30 | Gnea | Guerin: hahaha |
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| 10:17.35 | sep | PitchForkLinux: use LVM makes it easier to modify/grow partitions when you need it |
| 10:17.44 | crashbg | i've searched var/log but only aptitude's are there |
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| 10:17.59 | Guerin | Gnea: that was my oblique way of asking you why you 404ed me |
| 10:18.00 | b33r | when i do gdm start i loads the devian login screen but after i log in I only have the twm interface |
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| 10:18.13 | Gnea | crashbg: not like what you're describing - if you're looking for a list of changes, there's apt-listchanges |
| 10:18.18 | Guerin | b33r: install and choose something else |
| 10:18.31 | PitchForkLinux | sep I plan on that. Also plan on using raid 1 on the SATA drives but don't know how big to make / |
| 10:18.32 | b33r | i installed gdm |
| 10:18.37 | b33r | i thought that included gnome |
| 10:18.40 | Guerin | b33r: gdm is not a window manager |
| 10:18.41 | Gnea | Guerin: i think you need a new can of paint |
| 10:18.48 | Gnea | ;) |
| 10:18.53 | Guerin | b33r: no. if you want gnome, install gnome. |
| 10:18.57 | crashbg | Gnea, ok i'll continue searching... |
| 10:19.02 | Guerin | Gnea: i'm going to go and hunt a badger now |
| 10:19.12 | b33r | i did apt-get install gnome and there is no package |
| 10:19.25 | Guerin | might be gnome-base or gnome-core or somesuch |
| 10:19.34 | Guerin | gnome-desktop-environment perhaps |
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| 10:19.40 | Gnea | Guerin: don't forget the bbq sauce |
| 10:19.43 | Guerin | use apt-cache search to find it |
| 10:19.57 | b33r | core worked |
| 10:19.57 | b33r | thanks |
| 10:20.01 | Guerin | Gnea: curry, this time around I think. with nuts and raisins |
| 10:20.15 | Gnea | Guerin: red or yellow? |
| 10:20.29 | sep | PitchForkLinux: now that depends entierly if you put /var /usr /tmp /boot /home on their own partitions then 7 is very small |
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| 10:20.51 | sep | s/7/\// |
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| 10:21.07 | Guerin | Gnea: brown. |
| 10:21.23 | Gnea | Guerin: well obviously it's not going to be shaven |
| 10:21.34 | Gnea | Guerin: what kind of curry? |
| 10:21.37 | Guerin | Gnea: oh, I was talking about the curry, not the bdger |
| 10:21.43 | Gnea | LOL |
| 10:21.47 | Gnea | so was i |
| 10:21.47 | aardvark | badger? |
| 10:21.49 | Guerin | one of my own nefarious design |
| 10:21.58 | Gnea | heh |
| 10:22.24 | Guerin | aardvark: in this case, the common Greater Snouted Badger, known for its curly tail and loud squealing and grunting noises |
| 10:22.37 | aardvark | Guerin: hog badger? |
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| 10:22.44 | PitchForkLinux | <sep> I can put those all on their own partitions. I have alot of drive space but I just want to make sure I'm not so small that I'll have issues down the road or too big and waste alot of space as well |
| 10:22.51 | Guerin | aardvark: I prefer not to use so coarse a term for such a noble beast |
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| 10:23.01 | daffy-pkf | lo |
| 10:23.06 | Guerin | PitchForkLinux: when did sep say that? |
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| 10:23.45 | daffy-pkf | what ftp server do you recommand? |
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| 10:24.05 | PitchForkLinux | he didn't guerin I used the wrong syntax |
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| 10:24.26 | Guerin | daffy-pkf: none. |
| 10:24.27 | sml | daffy-pkf: vsftpd |
| 10:24.32 | sep | PitchForkLinux: start small and add to the logical volume when you need it with lvm thats easy. |
| 10:24.33 | Guerin | daffy-pkf: if you must, vsftpd |
| 10:24.36 | aardvark | Guerin: http://www.badgerinfo.com/images/hogbadgersm.jpg |
| 10:24.49 | daffy-pkf | sml> ok that's what i thinked |
| 10:24.56 | zahod | daffy-pkf, scp or http if you don't really need ftp |
| 10:25.07 | Guerin | aardvark: well, good grief, here I thought I was making it up. |
| 10:25.12 | daffy-pkf | zahod> i need ftp... |
| 10:25.18 | aardvark | Guerin: nope. |
| 10:25.23 | sml | zahod: nothing wrong with vsftpd's SSL support. |
| 10:25.35 | Guerin | well, that'll make my badger curry taste all the more authentic |
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| 10:26.06 | PitchForkLinux | sep, I wasn't planning on making / part of the lvm since it will be on a raid 1 |
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| 10:26.07 | sml | daffy-pkf: vsftpd is *very* good. secure(er), more efficient and a smaller memory footprint than beasts like Proftpd. |
| 10:26.22 | sml | daffy-pkf: check out benchmark figures which are available via google. |
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| 10:26.59 | sep | PitchForkLinux: you have 130GB it's not like you have to worry at all. if you have 5 GB free in / its not exactly the end of the world |
| 10:27.29 | Teemu_K | it's end of the universe |
| 10:27.47 | xrgtn | mwilson: bug #269573 |
| 10:28.10 | terr | I just did a "ps fax" in sarge and it lists 100's of "defunct" processes. Can anyone tell me what this is about? I never saw anything like this is woody... |
| 10:28.29 | resiak | !defunct |
| 10:28.29 | dpkg | rumour has it, defunct is a zombie process (ask me about "zombie") |
| 10:28.30 | Teemu_K | terr: just logout |
| 10:28.37 | pingouin_ | yeah what are the defunct processes |
| 10:28.43 | pingouin_ | !zombie |
| 10:28.43 | dpkg | A zombie process is one which has issued an exit(), but whose parent has not yet issued wait() (or one of its variants) to retrieve the exit code. This usually means the parent process is buggy. You can't kill a zombie, because it's already dead; you have to kill the parent, or just ignore the zombie. |
| 10:28.55 | terr | Teemu_K: what do you mean log out? I don't like to log in and out. |
| 10:29.18 | pingouin_ | ok in a nutshell, we dont care ? |
| 10:29.21 | PitchForkLinux | ok. Now I have a question about raid1. during sarge installer as part of the raid1 setup the installer asks which of the partitions are active and which are reserved. Should both the raid partitions be active? and 0 reserved or should on be active and the other reserved? |
| 10:29.33 | Silveira | i have a lan with 11 comps and a server/workstation with win2k professional. But i constantly get the excess of requisitions error, then i think to use samba to do this.. my question is: to solve the requisition problem, do i have to move win2k files to linux/samba computer? |
| 10:29.51 | drac | terr: I don't like cider, and i'm out of beer.. :\ |
| 10:29.51 | ledet | PitchForkLinux: are you doing software raid or hardware raid? |
| 10:29.52 | Radiance | hmm, would it work to have usb speakers connected and conventional speakers to the same box ? |
| 10:30.17 | PitchForkLinux | ledet software raid |
| 10:30.23 | ledet | PitchForkLinux: in that case: i have no idea :) |
| 10:31.02 | yoc | in mutt, how to move up/down by threads? |
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| 10:31.18 | Guerin | yoc: by pushing ? and reading the commands |
| 10:31.46 | terr | drac - why should I have to log out. WTF is ps showing me anyways. it lists ever pid from 18000 to 19094 and 99% are listed as "defunt" |
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| 10:32.03 | PitchForkLinux | guerin any idea on the raid1 question? |
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| 10:32.22 | Guerin | PitchForkLinux: what I know about raid isn't worth knowing |
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| 10:32.48 | PitchForkLinux | okay |
| 10:32.57 | drac | terr: Some of them just.. disappear if you logout, some of them won't; and there is nothing you can do about except reboot. But you can safely ignore those, like you we're told. |
| 10:33.34 | llama32 | anyone know of an embedded linux channel? |
| 10:33.45 | Silveira | why anybody help me? =( |
| 10:33.47 | yoc | Guerin, what to grep |
| 10:33.50 | llama32 | or if there is a non-X embedded linux GUI |
| 10:33.51 | PitchForkLinux | anyone know what the difference between a raid partition designated as active or reserved |
| 10:34.36 | terr | privoxy range: 18004 - 23346, firefox pids: 14203-23336, eog: 10200-13267 |
| 10:34.43 | terr | wtf is this? |
| 10:35.22 | Guerin | yoc: don't grep; read. |
| 10:35.26 | terr | drac: I kinda would like to knwo what they are? Is this version listing every pid the parent ever had assigned to its children? |
| 10:35.50 | yoc | Guerin, what part? |
| 10:35.55 | llama32 | PitchForkLinux: i know nothing about raid, but perhaps active = bootable? |
| 10:36.16 | Guerin | llama32: there is a way of running gtk+ on a framebuffer, but I never managed to even build it, let alone get it running |
| 10:36.24 | Guerin | yoc: the fucking bit about key bindings. |
| 10:36.35 | Guerin | yoc: since that's what you want to know about. |
| 10:37.00 | xrgtn | llama32: #emdebian? #debian-arm? |
| 10:37.00 | PitchForkLinux | I have know idea either but think that I should probably know this. I'm going to go and google a little bit to see if I can find that answer |
| 10:37.00 | zahod | llama32, picogui, qtopia, opie |
| 10:37.02 | ricky_clarkson | apt-get says that libnautilus-extension1 conflicts libnautilus2-2 but 2.8.2-2 is to be installed. |
| 10:37.06 | ricky_clarkson | What do I do? |
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| 10:37.23 | zahod | llama32, maybe gpe also, but I think that uses X11 |
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| 10:37.26 | llama32 | thanks Guerin, xrgtn, zahod |
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| 10:41.39 | mc-rofl | <--- is there a similar burn programm for gnome like k3b for kde? |
| 10:41.52 | streuner | nope |
| 10:42.13 | liable | mc-rofl: xcdroast |
| 10:42.26 | mc-rofl | xcdroast is not good |
| 10:42.45 | Guerin | cdw |
| 10:42.46 | streuner | mc-rofl: what's wrong with xcdroast? |
| 10:42.59 | PerfDave | mc-rofl: k3b |
| 10:43.00 | mc-rofl | don't like it... it has to less features |
| 10:43.04 | jm_ | mc-rofl: nautilus can burn stuff |
| 10:43.07 | mosty | anyone else use linkchecker? i can't seem to get it to work with a proxy, it barfs |
| 10:43.10 | yoc | can i use yoc+lkml@debian.org as email address? |
| 10:43.13 | yoc | i mean the + |
| 10:43.18 | mc-rofl | does k3b run with gnome? |
| 10:43.19 | streuner | mc-rofl: you can run k3b in Gnome as well |
| 10:43.28 | mc-rofl | need mp3-burning, data, file, etc... |
| 10:43.29 | mc-rofl | iso-images |
| 10:43.41 | Guerin | yoc: wtf would you? |
| 10:43.44 | mc-rofl | *great* |
| 10:45.14 | PerfDave | You can run Gnome apps in KDE, and KDE apps in Gnome, and any app, anywhere. |
| 10:45.14 | liable | mc-rofl: wtf can k3b do that xcdroast cant, out of interest |
| 10:45.18 | yoc | Guerin, i mean foo+bar@foobar.com |
| 10:45.23 | yoc | Guerin, is it legal? |
| 10:45.31 | PerfDave | yoc: Try it? |
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| 10:45.49 | yoc | PerfDave, tell me |
| 10:45.59 | jm_ | mosty: how did you set the porxy? |
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| 10:46.03 | yoc | can i use + in email address? |
| 10:46.05 | Guerin | yoc: I believe so. There's an rfc detailing email addresses, 822 if I'm not mistaken |
| 10:46.14 | Guerin | yoc: fucking find out for yourself |
| 10:46.17 | Guerin | lazy motherfucker |
| 10:46.23 | mosty | jm_: http_proxy="hostname:8080" linkchecker ... |
| 10:46.35 | PerfDave | Guerin: Some MTAs are configured to accept user+tag@host for user@host, to allow people to filter their e-mail. |
| 10:46.37 | PerfDave | yoc: How the fuck should I know? I don't have a @debian.org address. |
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| 10:46.41 | jm_ | mosty: try http_proxy="http://hostname:8080" ... |
| 10:46.59 | Guerin | PerfDave: oh, so it's a mta-specific thing |
| 10:47.17 | Guerin | i think http_proxy needs a trailing slash |
| 10:47.25 | Guerin | i know that mine sometimes barfs without it |
| 10:47.32 | mosty | jm, that did the trick. thanks. |
| 10:47.40 | jm_ | yes, it usually does, however linkchecker docs have an example without it |
| 10:47.43 | PerfDave | Guerin: I think most MTAs *can* be configured to support it, I don't know whether debian.org's MTA has been thus configured. |
| 10:47.52 | Guerin | PerfDave: roger |
| 10:49.38 | sml | yoc: you can use + and % (which is a hack from way back). |
| 10:50.21 | sml | % addressing is actually very cool and funky. Saves using test hotmail accounts and such like. |
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| 10:51.07 | Guerin | heh |
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| 10:51.28 | Guerin | actually, I had a % address for a while too |
| 10:51.41 | Guerin | i just didn't know what it was :) |
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| 10:52.16 | mh_le | I think I might have messed out.. I used this hdparm command on my cdrom drives.. hdparm -d 1 -A 1 -m 16 -u 1 -a 64 /dev/hdd is there anyway to set the values back to their default? |
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| 10:53.27 | liable | mh_le: read the man page, or reboot |
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| 10:53.54 | mh_le | liable: so the changes won't stick after a reboot? |
| 10:54.18 | liable | mh_le: no, i dont believe so |
| 10:54.20 | jm_ | mh_le: no, that's what /etc/hdparm.conf is for |
| 10:54.42 | mh_le | phew thanks :) |
| 10:55.44 | mh_le | brb |
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| 10:57.25 | liable | why would you use hdparm on a cd drive (out of interest) |
| 10:57.38 | jm_ | to enable DMA if it's not enabled by default |
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| 10:59.08 | mosty | jm_, do you know if linkchecker's -i flag redefines "internal" links, or adds to the set of internal links? |
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| 11:00.34 | satan666 | how to make debian auto-connect with router? |
| 11:00.47 | satan666 | type what command? |
| 11:00.53 | streuner | satan666: /msg dpkg interfaces |
| 11:01.05 | streuner | satan666: /msg dpkg dhcp client |
| 11:01.27 | sml | satan666: Hey man, is it nice and toasty down there ? |
| 11:02.01 | liable | !nickometer satan666 |
| 11:02.02 | dpkg | 'satan666' is 17.000% lame, liable |
| 11:02.36 | drac | Thou shall not speak name of the lord without purpose. |
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| 11:03.25 | riot | is it safe to fool dpkg with equivs thinking kde were installed if i only want to use some small kde-apps? |
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| 11:03.31 | sml | drac: better to serve in hell than to serve in heaven |
| 11:03.35 | ricky_clarkson | riot: Doubtful. |
| 11:03.44 | mosty | riot, not really. the deps are there for a reason |
| 11:03.45 | sml | oops better to RULE in hell than to serve in heaven |
| 11:03.47 | ricky_clarkson | riot: There's probably a kde-core or something that is minimal. |
| 11:03.57 | drac | indeed :) |
| 11:04.06 | PerfDave | !install kde |
| 11:04.06 | dpkg | rumour has it, install kde is In sarge, the metapackage 'kde' installs tons of stuff, 'kde-core' slightly less, and 'kdebase' even less. |
| 11:04.24 | riot | haven't seen such thing. or is "kde" just a metapackage for all teh stuffs i don't need? |
| 11:04.27 | riot | ah |
| 11:04.33 | riot | thx, PerfDave :) |
| 11:04.43 | PerfDave | riot: Just install the kde applications you want, it should only pull the dependencies it needs rather than all of KDE. |
| 11:05.05 | ricky_clarkson | PerfDave: Good call. |
| 11:05.11 | liable | and even then attack it with debfoster |
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| 11:05.19 | riot | ok - thats exactly what i was looking for. I just don't want kde as window management on my box - but some apps are quite cool. |
| 11:05.26 | ricky_clarkson | liable: Or deborphan? |
| 11:05.37 | riot | (now i just hav'ta hope they conform to Ion :) |
| 11:05.40 | satan666 | that's all? |
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| 11:06.00 | liable | satan666: man ifconfig |
| 11:06.25 | caoilte | Hi, i'm running the latest version of sid. Post reboot various programs are segfaulting on startup (KDM, konqueror, mozilla). Has this been happening to anyone else? |
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| 11:06.31 | satan666 | i am new user of debian |
| 11:06.43 | valdyn | caoilte: its sid, file a bug report |
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| 11:07.20 | PerfDave | caoilte: /msg dpkg sid faq |
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| 11:07.43 | riot | Duh.. kdebase already installs kwin - which i don't want |
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| 11:08.06 | PerfDave | riot: That doesn't mean you have to use it as a window manager. |
| 11:08.06 | riot | i remember times when intalling just a few libs was sufficient for running most of the k-apps |
| 11:08.06 | mosty | riot, just because it's installed doesn't mean you have to use it |
| 11:08.09 | valdyn | riot: you dont have to use it |
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| 11:08.16 | riot | Yeah. But it's wastin space. |
| 11:08.28 | mosty | riot: how big is your drive? |
| 11:08.38 | riot | /dev/hda8 4,6G 4,1G 541M 89% /usr << that is my problem |
| 11:08.40 | PerfDave | riot: If the application you're trying to install doesn't need files contained in the kwin package, then file a bug report. |
| 11:08.56 | riot | PerfDave: Ok. I'll do that. |
| 11:09.02 | valdyn | caoilte: currently "my" sid wants to remove bash and bash3, thats broken, but that is to be expected when using sid |
| 11:09.17 | caoilte | errr yeah, i know all this i've been using sid five years |
| 11:09.44 | caoilte | used to be /msg apt news would tell you what major libc breakages had gone in though. |
| 11:09.49 | riot | valdyn: use zsh :) |
| 11:10.06 | valdyn | riot: nah i just dont dist-upgrade |
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| 11:11.43 | liable | riot: /dev/hda8? maybe make more room for debian, by getting rid of others :) |
| 11:11.57 | riot | liable: thats just debian on /dev/hda.... |
| 11:12.10 | riot | it's.. um. partitioned :) |
| 11:12.32 | liable | riot: thats an understatement |
| 11:12.41 | riot | i like debian =D |
| 11:13.19 | riot | never made me angry since i installed it :) First OS to behave like that. |
| 11:13.20 | trand | i love windows :O |
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| 11:14.12 | js | what can be the reason that i cant "rsh localhost command" even if i got + + in ~/.rhosts ? |
| 11:14.16 | mwilson | Wow... TPTB *still* haven't fixed thundercrap's broken threading? |
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| 11:15.19 | valdyn | mwilson: what is broken with it? |
| 11:15.55 | sml | js: 1) you shouldn't be using rhosts, 2) you shouldn't put + + in ~.rhosts! |
| 11:16.20 | riot | PerfDave: i got 3 kde-apps installed now - everything is still clean. Good work, that. |
| 11:16.20 | PerfDave | 3) you shouldn't be using rsh |
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| 11:16.40 | streuner | Interesting how many packages you have installed on your system, even you know what these for :-) |
| 11:16.48 | sml | js: use ssh. |
| 11:16.53 | liable | riot: sorry, but you have 4.1 gig just in /usr? wtf have you got the entire repository on your box? |
| 11:17.03 | valdyn | riot: how do you get a 4.1G /usr w/o kde? there should be stuff you dont need, plenty |
| 11:17.23 | riot | No. Mainly too many different installed kernel-sources :) |
| 11:17.28 | js | sml: i know i shouldnt be putting + + in it, but my point is that not even that works |
| 11:17.32 | mwilson | valdyn: There doesn't seem to be any way to turn it on or off. That's one. View >> Threads >> All is the default, but it doesn't thread. You have to select one of the other options, THEN select 'All', and finally it threads. Of course, that's per folder, which gets old very quickly. |
| 11:17.39 | bykte | how do i check my apache version on my box? |
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| 11:17.42 | js | sml: i just want it enabled quickly so i can install some software on a couple of machines |
| 11:17.42 | mosty | riot: just keep the .config files |
| 11:17.51 | js | sml: they dont have internet access during the installation anyway |
| 11:17.53 | riot | mosty: erm. No good for developing. |
| 11:18.11 | mosty | riot, developing what? |
| 11:18.15 | riot | kernel? |
| 11:18.17 | Guerin | bykte: you read man dpkg |
| 11:18.23 | mwilson | valdyn: It was this broken the last time I looked at thundercrap. |
| 11:18.24 | mosty | riot: well fair enough |
| 11:18.29 | riot | :D |
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| 11:18.38 | valdyn | mwilson: view -> sort by -> threaded |
| 11:18.41 | Guerin | bykte: at some point you are going to have to learn how to use your OS and the tools it provides, you realise. |
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| 11:19.02 | bykte | Guerin, yes, i found out @ netcraft thx |
| 11:19.09 | Guerin | wtf |
| 11:19.16 | Guerin | talk about path of most resistance |
| 11:19.20 | mwilson | Oh, THAT'S a non-intelligent place to put it. |
| 11:19.33 | valdyn | mwilson: i agree |
| 11:19.41 | mwilson | I don't suppose there is, in fact, a global setting for it? |
| 11:19.42 | banshee_ | hello. how can i run daemon processes on a given username? like i want proftpd to start on user Quick ??? |
| 11:19.46 | Mash | hello |
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| 11:19.54 | valdyn | mwilson: evolution is even worse though, i never found a way to collapse all threads in it |
| 11:20.15 | Guerin | banshee_: the app should have a run-as-user sort of option |
| 11:20.15 | mwilson | valdyn: Oh, I'd do without e-mail before I'd use evocrap. |
| 11:20.18 | valdyn | mwilson: no, i walk thru all mailboxes 1by1 and thread them |
| 11:20.18 | streuner | banshee_: Don't fuck with proftpd |
| 11:20.27 | sml | js: i dont even remember how you setup the r commands i've only done it once. where did you put the "+ +" ? in ~/.rhosts ? |
| 11:20.34 | banshee_ | proftpd it's an example |
| 11:20.37 | helix | streuner: what's wrong with proftpd? |
| 11:20.51 | js | sml: yeah, i put it there.. the weird thing is that it works for one host, but no other host |
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| 11:21.04 | mwilson | valdyn: And it's still SLOOOOOOOW. |
| 11:21.07 | streuner | helix: if you going to install it and have no idea you might have a problem then ;-) |
| 11:21.09 | liable | valdyn: do you know where evo keeps mail, cant find it in ~/.evo |
| 11:21.12 | banshee_ | so what do i need to add in rc.d to start the a daemon on a given username ??? can you tell me please? |
| 11:21.25 | Guerin | banshee_: for services which bind to privileged ports, the app needs to support privilege handorff - a ftpd is such a beast |
| 11:21.27 | sml | js: you've tried using rlogin without trying to run the command just to make sure you can actually LOGIN? |
| 11:21.27 | valdyn | mwilson: yea my biggest concern is speed w/ 10k+ mails in one maildir |
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| 11:21.41 | Confitado | Hello! How can I install sd_mod module? If I write "modprobe sd_mod" I get "FATAL: Module sd_mod not found." |
| 11:21.50 | Shadur | Confitado: sd_mod doesn't exist |
| 11:21.54 | Guerin | banshee_: you can't just start any arbitrary service bound to any arbitrary port as any arbitrary user |
| 11:21.56 | Shadur | You mean either sd or sr_mod |
| 11:22.07 | mwilson | valdyn: That's easy. mutt. |
| 11:22.14 | Guerin | banshee_: but I'll bet you a box of beer that proftpd can handoff to another user |
| 11:22.22 | streuner | helix: i installed proftpd onces and not configured it well, so every anon user had access to my whole / :-) |
| 11:22.35 | Guerin | streuner: wow, you REALLY fucked that config up |
| 11:22.43 | sml | js: "+" means any host "+ +" means any host any user, you have put it in /etc/rhosts ? |
| 11:22.45 | streuner | Guerin: i said so ;-) |
| 11:22.51 | banshee_ | Guerin I DON'T WANT PROFTPD |
| 11:22.52 | Guerin | since the default anonymous root is /home/ftp |
| 11:22.55 | banshee_ | IT WAS AN EXAMPLE |
| 11:22.58 | helix | heh ooops |
| 11:23.04 | Confitado | Shadur: sd_mod ... scsi support for mass storage... I need to automount my usb flash drive or camera |
| 11:23.06 | Guerin | banshee_: SO SPECIFY THE FUCKING APP YOU WANT |
| 11:23.11 | helix | shut up |
| 11:23.13 | helix | both of you |
| 11:23.15 | Guerin | banshee_: I've told you how this works |
| 11:23.24 | pingouin_ | :) |
| 11:23.33 | resiak | liable: It keeps it in .evolution |
| 11:23.38 | Shadur | Confitado: Yeah, I figured. That's why I told you you need sd, not sd_mod since sd_mod DOES NOT EXIST. |
| 11:23.38 | riot | Now, i just throw in a nice "vsftpd!!!!" |
| 11:23.46 | streuner | banshee_: That was a warning about proftpd - no need to yell |
| 11:23.54 | helix | gee, lots of yelling this morning |
| 11:23.56 | liable | resiak: hmm, looked there, cant find it |
| 11:23.57 | js | sml: i tried it in both ~/.rhosts and /etc/hosts.equiv.. but i decided to use ssh now instead anyway |
| 11:24.07 | riot | js: good decision. |
| 11:24.13 | Confitado | Ummmmmm.. ok |
| 11:24.15 | resiak | liable: You're not using an IMAP server or somesuch, are you? |
| 11:24.25 | Shadur | either that or you didn't compile it win your current kernel |
| 11:24.28 | sml | js: well im not sure what's wrong since rhosts is so simple to setup however you're better off not spending any time on it and using ssh like you're doing now anyway. |
| 11:24.37 | sml | js: ssh is *very* simple to setup. |
| 11:24.40 | Guerin | banshee_: does the app you want to run bind to a privileged port? |
| 11:25.00 | mwilson | Gods, what is the deal with dragging one GTK window over the top of another any more? |
| 11:25.05 | banshee_ | dude so i want to start the program "/home/john/programname/program" on the user "john" how would i add this in rc.d ? |
| 11:25.05 | liable | resiak: nup, basically all I want to do is find my junk folder to teach spammassasin |
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| 11:25.17 | resiak | liable: You're running Sarge? |
| 11:25.28 | Guerin | banshee_: you would edit the rc script. |
| 11:25.28 | liable | resiak: yep |
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| 11:25.36 | Guerin | banshee_: probably adding a su -c |
| 11:25.44 | resiak | liable: Evolution2 has junk filtering built in, and I think it may even be SA. |
| 11:26.01 | Guerin | banshee_: unless the app itself has some way of handing off, which I hasten to add, modt programs which need to, do. |
| 11:26.30 | banshee_ | Guerin i edited my script but what is the syntax to run it on a different account than root |
| 11:26.38 | Guerin | banshee_: see above; man su |
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| 11:26.56 | banshee_ | do i need to add for example /home/john/programname/program @john ? |
| 11:26.58 | xrgtn | mwilson: you are right about csh -- it's not a substitute for sh even for very simple scripts. That's my fault -- I'm not a BSD user or csh fan. I simply don't know how much it differs from sh. But ash can serve as a substitute for sh. |
| 11:26.59 | liable | resiak: hmm, will reread the docs |
| 11:27.24 | mwilson | xrgtn: Why would BSD have anything to do with it? |
| 11:27.45 | xrgtn | AFAIK, tcsh is default there? |
| 11:27.53 | mwilson | If you say so. |
| 11:28.16 | Guerin | banshee_: no. You need to read man su. |
| 11:28.17 | mwilson | Last time I looked, ksh was default on oBSD. |
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| 11:28.31 | mwilson | Last time I looked being about a hour ago. |
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| 11:28.48 | banshee_ | what is the link between SU and RC.D ? |
| 11:28.54 | banshee_ | i can't get it... |
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| 11:29.03 | Guerin | ... |
| 11:29.07 | nomed^ | hi |
| 11:29.09 | banshee_ | if you can help me help me don't waste my time |
| 11:29.18 | streuner | !hurry |
| 11:29.19 | dpkg | Ohhhhh.... Aaaarrrreeee yyyyoooouuuuuuuuu iiiinnnn a huuuuurrrrrrryyyyy? Welllllll... |
| 11:29.21 | resiak | banshee_: There is no link whatsoever |
| 11:29.30 | Guerin | banshee_: rc.d is a way of starting services. su -c is a way of doing something as a particular user. You add them up. |
| 11:29.41 | banshee_ | okey thanks |
| 11:29.50 | liable | resiak: doesnt seem to have that hueristic thing, just sender, subject, blah filtering |
| 11:29.51 | Guerin | banshee_: if you can read english, read man su; don't waste my time. |
| 11:29.55 | banshee_ | that's what i wanted Guerin thanks again |
| 11:30.14 | resiak | liable: *shrug* It does seem to do heuristics for me. |
| 11:30.18 | NewpZ | hi when i do a apt-get dist-upgrade i get this... http://www.pastebin.com/272739 can someone take a look please? |
| 11:30.24 | ecfx | For soem reason on debian/sarge.... I can't open any new gui windows....I can only use gui windows that are already open...but if I try to open a new window none of them work. |
| 11:30.32 | ecfx | Anyone ever heard of a problem like this before? |
| 11:30.43 | nomed^ | what is , in your opinion, the best way to make an installation on more pc? |
| 11:30.45 | Guerin | ecfx: eh? |
| 11:31.03 | Guerin | nomed^: depends. |
| 11:31.08 | ricky_clarkson | nomed^: Ghost. |
| 11:31.19 | streuner | NewpZ: nothing strange, just use 'apt-get install package' to install them |
| 11:31.23 | liable | resiak: and how do you get it to do that? |
| 11:31.28 | resiak | liable: *shrug* I just use it :) |
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| 11:31.41 | michael | NewpZ: you probably have package(s) in hold status. |
| 11:31.48 | ecfx | Guerin, yea |
| 11:32.01 | NewpZ | streuner well i cant open any vid clips.. all the players just crash without any real error |
| 11:32.10 | nomed^ | Guerin, depends .. for example ? |
| 11:32.12 | liable | resiak: bah, well mines retarded then (or me) :) |
| 11:32.16 | resiak | liable: Heh. |
| 11:32.21 | Guerin | ecfx: if one of those windows you can use is a terminal, run things from it and watch the error messages |
| 11:32.29 | Guerin | ecfx: also read your X logs |
| 11:32.31 | streuner | NewpZ: those packages want to install _new_ packages, that's why apt-get ask you... |
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| 11:32.51 | Guerin | nomed^: depends what the machines are, how they're set up, whether they're all identical, etc. |
| 11:33.03 | streuner | NewpZ: without any infos or errors we can't help |
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| 11:33.30 | ecfx | http://www.rafb.net/paste/results/wFgP3e66.html |
| 11:33.37 | nomed^ | Guerin, they are not identical .. |
| 11:33.41 | ecfx | That is my X log, the last parts |
| 11:33.49 | streuner | NewpZ: just install those packages and ask then for the next question |
| 11:33.50 | ecfx | From when I tried to start new programs. |
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| 11:34.39 | Guerin | nomed^: how many? |
| 11:34.54 | Guerin | ecfx: just grep the log for EE and WW |
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| 11:34.58 | NewpZ | streuner, even if i do apt-get install kde-libs (or anything else on that list) i either get told that t is already at the latest version or it has unmet dependencies |
| 11:35.20 | ecfx | <PROTECTED> |
| 11:35.21 | ecfx | (II) Loading extension MIT-SCREEN-SAVER |
| 11:35.23 | nomed^ | Guerin, they can be in different offices ... and the number can be from 10 to ... |
| 11:35.35 | streuner | NewpZ: show us your sources.list, /msg dpkg flood |
| 11:35.53 | ecfx | http://www.rafb.net/paste/results/mNADYI39.html |
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| 11:36.17 | Guerin | nomed^: ok. using dd or ghost to create an image is probably wisest. You might be able to use debian-installer preseeding - that's pretty cool. |
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| 11:36.58 | Guerin | ecfx: apparently no problem with X. check other things. |
| 11:37.04 | NewpZ | http://www.pastebin.com/272742 |
| 11:37.08 | ecfx | Guerin, like what? |
| 11:37.27 | jeanmi_ | I am upgrading from cyrus1.5.x to cyrus21 and following the UPGRADE notes but at point 12. I am getting errors. |
| 11:37.33 | michal_ | anyone here use Tomboy under Debian? |
| 11:37.33 | jeanmi_ | find /var/lib/cyrus -name \*.db -print -exec /usr/bin/db3_upgrade {} \; |
| 11:37.37 | streuner | NewpZ: why the fuck do you use sid? |
| 11:37.47 | Guerin | ecfx: error message spat out by the apps themselves, if they keep logs, check them... use strace on something, maybe. |
| 11:37.49 | jeanmi_ | db_upgrade: /var/lib/cyrus/mailboxes.db: unrecognized file type |
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| 11:37.51 | streuner | !tell NewpZ about sid faq |
| 11:37.56 | NewpZ | errrr |
| 11:38.03 | streuner | NewpZ: read that first |
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| 11:38.09 | streuner | NewpZ: #debian-kde |
| 11:38.16 | Guerin | ecfx: also check silly things like whether they're opening on a different virtual desktop or workspace |
| 11:38.35 | michal_ | i can't get it to run under debian and I'm not sure why |
| 11:38.49 | NewpZ | streuner, your refering to the "testig" entry? |
| 11:38.53 | NewpZ | i know what sid is |
| 11:39.00 | ecfx | Guerin, there are no error messages |
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| 11:39.18 | Guerin | ecfx: then there's no problem |
| 11:39.26 | michal_ | Could not find assembly gnome-sharp, references from /usr/lib/tomboy/Tomboy.exe |
| 11:39.33 | NewpZ | far as i can see, no sid.. unless the kde release is actully sid |
| 11:39.40 | michal_ | i can't find anything called gnome-sharp with apt-cache |
| 11:39.41 | Guerin | michal_: um, it's an exe, mate |
| 11:39.48 | resiak | michal_: Are you on Sarge or Sid? |
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| 11:39.49 | michal_ | guerin: yes.. for unix |
| 11:39.49 | resiak | Guerin: Mono. |
| 11:39.52 | streuner | NewpZ: those package are for sid not sarge |
| 11:39.54 | Guerin | michal_: gnome-sharp is probably gtk# |
| 11:40.01 | michal_ | resiak: sid |
| 11:40.07 | streuner | resiak: sarge |
| 11:40.14 | streuner | http://www.pastebin.com/272742 |
| 11:40.24 | NewpZ | ahhh... well then that my problem :) unstable all the way! is there a way to backup 3.4? |
| 11:40.29 | resiak | streuner: True. |
| 11:40.38 | F-Lelo | X: cannot stat /etc/X11/X (No such file or directory), aborting. |
| 11:40.42 | ecfx | Guerin, http://www.rafb.net/paste/results/FwxCgG27.html |
| 11:40.46 | F-Lelo | what should I do to fix that? |
| 11:40.49 | resiak | michal_: If that pastebin entry is yours, then you're on Sarge. Mono's not in Sarge. |
| 11:40.59 | resiak | F-Lelo: Have you intsalled X? |
| 11:41.03 | michal_ | resiak: not mine.. i'm in sid |
| 11:41.04 | Guerin | fl0w: install x-window-system-core? |
| 11:41.10 | resiak | streuner: You lie. |
| 11:41.19 | F-Lelo | resiak: yes! I done apt-get install x-window-system --reinstall to be sure of it |
| 11:41.20 | resiak | michal_: *shrug* apt-cache search sharp |
| 11:41.25 | resiak | F-Lelo: Oh, okay. |
| 11:41.27 | streuner | resiak: that was from NewpZ |
| 11:41.42 | streuner | resiak: Don't call me an liar! |
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| 11:41.49 | Guerin | ecfx: that error message gives you plenty of options |
| 11:41.58 | resiak | streuner: I'll call you a bad reader then :) |
| 11:42.11 | ecfx | Guerin, which one do I want? |
| 11:42.12 | michal_ | supposedly tomboy depends on mono-common, libgtk-cil, libgtkspell0 |
| 11:42.23 | Guerin | ecfx: i don't know, which one DO you want? |
| 11:42.25 | resiak | michal_: What version of mono does it need? |
| 11:42.26 | F-Lelo | does anyone knows what I should do to fix that X error? |
| 11:42.28 | F-Lelo | X: cannot stat /etc/X11/X (No such file or directory), aborting. |
| 11:42.30 | NewpZ | is there a way i can go back to kde 3.3? |
| 11:42.33 | Guerin | ecfx: i'd try some other apps to see what happens |
| 11:42.38 | streuner | resiak: <NewpZ> http://www.pastebin.com/272742 |
| 11:42.45 | resiak | streuner: I wasn't talking to NewpZ :) |
| 11:43.06 | resiak | streuner: < resiak> michal_: Are you on Sarge or Sid? < michal_> resiak: sid < streuner> resiak: sarge |
| 11:43.26 | michal_ | resiak: now you're just confusing me :P |
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| 11:43.49 | liable | F-Lelo: you are just using the command 'x' ? |
| 11:43.52 | resiak | michal_: Asking what version of mono it needs? |
| 11:44.04 | streuner | NewpZ: /msg dpkg remove kde |
| 11:44.08 | michal_ | resiak: no the streuner/michal mix |
| 11:44.18 | resiak | michal_: Sure. |
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| 11:44.32 | streuner | NewpZ: and comment the section with 3.4 kde packages and rerun apt-get update |
| 11:44.43 | NewpZ | yup thanks! |
| 11:44.45 | NewpZ | perfect |
| 11:45.01 | F-Lelo | sorry if anyone answered... internet went down and back up |
| 11:45.02 | michal_ | resiak: I don't know what it needs but it now "Support building under Mono 1.1.x." |
| 11:45.17 | NewpZ | so 3.4 isnt stable for debian yet? |
| 11:45.24 | michal_ | and I have Mono JIT compiler version 1.0.5 |
| 11:45.30 | nomed^ | Guerin, it seems the best way thanks ...(DebianInstallerPreseed) |
| 11:45.31 | resiak | michal_: Well then. :) |
| 11:45.34 | michal_ | but I don't know what it actually needs |
| 11:45.48 | Guerin | !win nomed^ for finding the wiki! |
| 11:45.49 | dpkg | Congratulations, nomed^ for finding the wiki!! You have won the time-life collection of vintage AOL CDs, a set of 120! |
| 11:45.52 | streuner | NewpZ: thoses packages aren't stable (KDE 3.4) they aren't even in unstable... |
| 11:45.59 | liable | F-Lelo: what command are you using to get that error |
| 11:46.01 | NewpZ | ok kde is going down... thanks for the help |
| 11:46.03 | Guerin | NewpZ: not even close |
| 11:46.13 | resiak | michal_: Quite possibly 1.1.x :) |
| 11:46.15 | NewpZ | heh :) |
| 11:46.17 | F-Lelo | liable: only startx |
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| 11:46.38 | liable | F-Lelo: and whats the whole error? |
| 11:46.47 | cantona | Architecture-specific modutils configuration for x86_64 not found, using defaults <--how to fix? |
| 11:46.48 | F-Lelo | X: cannot stat /etc/X11/X (No such file or directory), aborting. |
| 11:46.49 | michal_ | resiak: looks like a very nice little program though.. http://www.beatniksoftware.com/tomboy/ |
| 11:46.55 | resiak | michal_: I'm sure it does. :) |
| 11:47.03 | WolfCub | Hey, how can I get one of those USB drives to work? Do they mount to /dev/sda? Could someone provide me with a sample fstab entry? |
| 11:47.14 | Guerin | F-Lelo: ls -l /etc/X11/X |
| 11:47.14 | F-Lelo | then xinit gives error 2 and 3 (2 is unable to connect to x server and 3 is no such process) |
| 11:47.28 | F-Lelo | Guerin: there is no such file... |
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| 11:47.42 | Gnea | WolfCub: it's a scsi layer interoperability, it's like any other fstab entry, just match the filesystem and partition number |
| 11:47.49 | PerfDave | WolfCub: You're not a furry, are you? |
| 11:47.50 | bykte | when apt-get install offers a extra package to be installed, is it compulsory? |
| 11:47.58 | Guerin | WolfCub: they mount wherever you put them; typically they show as /dev/sdx; you just mount them as normal with their filesystem specified |
| 11:48.04 | WolfCub | Yeah I'm furry ;P |
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| 11:48.10 | Guerin | hah |
| 11:48.12 | resiak | PerfDave: You really are obsessed. |
| 11:48.20 | Guerin | bykte: i don't know, is it? |
| 11:48.22 | Gnea | bykte: it just reads the rules and interprets them literally |
| 11:48.28 | bykte | ok |
| 11:48.30 | WolfCub | Ok, so it doesn't matter if I say sda1, sda2, sda3? |
| 11:48.32 | WolfCub | Or does it. |
| 11:48.33 | PerfDave | resiak: Well, I'm not going to give bloody assistance to a sodding furry, am I! |
| 11:48.44 | resiak | PerfDave: Heh. |
| 11:48.51 | fl0w | Does anyone use Ion? |
| 11:48.52 | Guerin | WolfCub: it matters that you choose what the device actually is. It doesn't matter where you mount it |
| 11:48.54 | resiak | michal_: Actually, that looks like _exactly_ what I've been looking for. |
| 11:48.55 | resiak | !anyone use |
| 11:48.55 | dpkg | No, no one uses it, not even the people who use it. |
| 11:48.57 | Guerin | !anyone use |
| 11:49.02 | Guerin | damn you resiak |
| 11:49.13 | Guerin | <l4g> |
| 11:49.16 | liable | F-Lelo: cd /etc/X11 then ln -s /usr/bin/X11/XFrre86 then try again, (long shot) |
| 11:49.16 | Gnea | WolfCub: fdisk -l /dev/sda and find out how many you got, usually you can check by reading the partition types and then mounting them until you succeed and read them with a df -Th |
| 11:49.23 | resiak | Guerin: <l4g>? |
| 11:49.31 | WolfCub | Would this fstab entry be ok? /dev/sda0 /media/sda vfat rw,user,noauto 0 0 |
| 11:49.40 | michal_ | resiak: http://laylward.com/debian/unstable/ |
| 11:49.42 | Gnea | no, there is no sda0 |
| 11:49.43 | jm_ | resiak: echo lag|eleet |
| 11:49.46 | F-Lelo | liable: alright... wait :) |
| 11:49.48 | michal_ | resiak: that's for the debian package i am trying to use |
| 11:49.52 | Guerin | WolfCub: specify a umask or uid |
| 11:49.53 | resiak | jm_: Ah, yes. |
| 11:50.00 | streuner | WolfCub: what does the manpage of mount say? |
| 11:50.10 | Guerin | s#or#and/or# |
| 11:50.11 | Gnea | WolfCub: i'd be a bit more descriptive in the media entry, but that's me |
| 11:50.28 | F-Lelo | liable: alright! now the error is "no screens found"... I can deal with that ;) |
| 11:50.29 | Gnea | creating libphp5.la |
| 11:50.29 | F-Lelo | thanks liable ! |
| 11:50.30 | WolfCub | Fdisk -a doesn't show anything, will it show once I have the drive plugged in? its my friends drive he's bringin it at lunch and I want to be ready... |
| 11:50.31 | Gnea | oops |
| 11:50.33 | resiak | michal_: Well if you have those depends and it doesn't work, shout at the maintainer. |
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| 11:51.06 | Guerin | F-Lelo: heh. That's the stupidest error in X, but at least it's a common one :) |
| 11:51.08 | F-Lelo | Guerin: hehehehe yeah |
| 11:51.12 | michal_ | resiak: i'm reading the mailing list now.. seems liek a known problem.. havn't ggotten as far as a solution yet though |
| 11:51.14 | F-Lelo | never thought what would happend, really |
| 11:51.26 | F-Lelo | I installed it by apt-get, so it should be smooth |
| 11:51.28 | F-Lelo | hehehe |
| 11:51.29 | resiak | michal_: \o/ |
| 11:51.38 | WolfCub | Ok ill wing it at lunch I think I got a working set up. |
| 11:51.45 | WolfCub | Ill hang out here just in case. |
| 11:51.49 | WolfCub | But now I'm off to school. |
| 11:51.50 | WolfCub | Laters. |
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| 11:52.24 | michal_ | resiak: This just changed about an hour ago. Debian packages for Mono are now at 1.1.6 in experimental branch. |
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| 11:52.34 | michal_ | resiak: well that was 1 or 2 days ago on the mailing list |
| 11:52.36 | resiak | michal_: Once again, \o/ |
| 11:53.24 | michal_ | resiak: this seems very odd.. http://beatniksoftware.com/pipermail/tomboy-list_beatniksoftware.com/2005-April/000693.html |
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| 11:53.47 | resiak | michal_: I'm not really here any more.. |
| 11:53.48 | michal_ | resiak: changing fonts could cause the error.. possibly.. |
| 11:54.38 | michal_ | !experimental |
| 11:54.39 | dpkg | experimental is the bloody edge of Debian Development. Packages here have been deemed unfit for release by the maintainer responsible for them. DO NOT INSTALL PACKAGES FROM EXPERIMENTAL WITHOUT KNOWING EXACTLY WHY AND WHAT YOU ARE DOING. #debian does not support experimental. |
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| 11:54.56 | michal_ | that's fine.. but where is it? |
| 11:55.11 | Cueball | Where about's is the upgrade guide from stable to testing. I found it before but I now cant find it. |
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| 11:55.22 | PerfDave | /msg dpkg woody->sarge |
| 11:55.32 | Cueball | Thnx |
| 11:55.56 | NewpZ | ok i got got kde removed and i commented out that sid entry and did a apt-get update but when i do a "apt-get install kde" i get this....http://www.pastebin.com/272748 |
| 11:56.15 | Guerin | that's a suitably strongly worded factoid |
| 11:56.25 | liable | NewpZ: hehe, something wrong there |
| 11:56.35 | NewpZ | heh |
| 11:56.48 | liable | NewpZ: you maybe pasted the wrong line? |
| 11:56.54 | streuner | http://www.pastebin.com/272748 |
| 11:57.39 | NewpZ | eh? pasted the wrong line? |
| 11:57.42 | streuner | NewpZ: what do you get with 'apt-get install konqueror'? |
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| 11:57.53 | Chameleon22 | is there a way to automate GUI tasks (KDE) in linux, so basicly write a script or something like that that will press a button periodically |
| 11:57.54 | liable | ohhh, im an idiot |
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| 11:58.22 | bykte | if i dont specify a prefix for the ./configure it will install into the default path right? |
| 11:58.23 | NewpZ | ahh closer... its gonna install : kcontrol kdebase-bin kdebase-kio-plugins kdelibs-bin kdelibs4 kdesktop kfind konqueror libkonq4 |
| 11:58.52 | riot | bodq: go on. Package it :) |
| 11:59.03 | streuner | NewpZ: prolly metapakage kde is broken, just install it by hand ;-) |
| 11:59.09 | F-Lelo | hmm... |
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| 11:59.23 | F-Lelo | X tells me that it is unable to find a core keyboard device... |
| 11:59.28 | F-Lelo | my keyboard is dell's usb |
| 11:59.36 | F-Lelo | what should I do? |
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| 11:59.58 | riot | check your usb-input modules and /dev/input |
| 12:00.22 | F-Lelo | yes, I have no keyboard there =] |
| 12:00.39 | F-Lelo | what should I do then...? |
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| 12:01.12 | NewpZ | streuner im trying that... i go down the rabit hole of this package needs this and keep going until it says that the package is the latest version |
| 12:01.17 | essox | F-Lelo: have you installed hotplug and udev? |
| 12:01.17 | NewpZ | cant get anywhere |
| 12:01.30 | F-Lelo | essox: hotplug, yes... udev, I guess not |
| 12:01.49 | streuner | NewpZ: new error? |
| 12:01.49 | F-Lelo | alright, installing udev ;) |
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| 12:02.04 | resiak | bodq: Well then PACKAGE IT |
| 12:02.06 | resiak | bodq: :) |
| 12:02.07 | essox | F-Lelo: what does /var/log/messages show when you plug in your keyboard? |
| 12:02.09 | liable | F-Lelo: what kernel? |
| 12:02.42 | F-Lelo | liable: 2.4.27-speakup |
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| 12:02.56 | liable | F-Lelo: dont worry about udev then |
| 12:03.23 | NewpZ | streuner http://www.pastebin.com/272751 |
| 12:03.24 | F-Lelo | essox: usb hid v1.10 device ....... |
| 12:03.24 | PenjejakNeraka__ | Hi guys, is there any simplest way I can enable my Oronoco wi-fi card to be in monitor mode? |
| 12:03.37 | F-Lelo | liable: hmmmmmmmm... yeah I installed it and got the same error |
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| 12:04.40 | streuner | NewpZ: you have to remove those package (KDE 3.4) |
| 12:04.48 | streuner | NewpZ: first |
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| 12:05.02 | streuner | NewpZ: they are still on your system |
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| 12:05.09 | NewpZ | ewww |
| 12:05.24 | streuner | <PROTECTED> |
| 12:05.47 | streuner | 4:3.4.0-0pre3 is still installed on your system |
| 12:06.24 | streuner | NewpZ: wait |
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| 12:06.47 | liable | F-Lelo: what does dmesg say when you plug it in |
| 12:07.33 | NewpZ | sweet... getting somewhere... its letting me install kdebase |
| 12:07.46 | streuner | NewpZ: fine |
| 12:07.49 | keropok | !help |
| 12:07.49 | F-Lelo | liable: USB HID v1.10 Device [DELL DELL USB Keyboard] on usb1:6.1 |
| 12:07.52 | keropok | hehe |
| 12:08.32 | streuner | NewpZ: no error? |
| 12:08.37 | NewpZ | nope |
| 12:08.52 | liable | F-Lelo: dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xfree86, and pick the right one |
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| 12:09.26 | NewpZ | streuner: buts thats as far as i can get :( |
| 12:09.42 | streuner | NewpZ: show us the error |
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| 12:09.46 | F-Lelo | liable: ok wait |
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| 12:09.50 | LandSlide | i'm trying to compile some obscure sources and get a weird error syntax error near unexpected token 'X,' \n PKG_CHECK_MODULES(X, x11 |
| 12:09.57 | LandSlide | anyone have any ideas what that is about? |
| 12:10.23 | liable | obscure sources? |
| 12:10.33 | LandSlide | it's not a popular package i think... |
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| 12:10.53 | LandSlide | twin... by keith packard. |
| 12:10.57 | streuner | NewpZ: are the packages of 3.4 still in cache? |
| 12:11.01 | LandSlide | i'm just trying to get it to compile. |
| 12:11.07 | ncp | i have just installede proftpd and i think its correctly set up, but with ncftp login and "ls" it just stalles. why? anybody got an idea? |
| 12:11.24 | F-Lelo | liable: same error =// |
| 12:11.26 | Guerin | ncp: read proftpd logs |
| 12:11.32 | ncp | k |
| 12:11.34 | NewpZ | http://pastebin.com/272754 |
| 12:11.52 | liable | F-Lelo: whats the error? |
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| 12:12.26 | streuner | NewpZ: remove quanta |
| 12:12.28 | essox | LandSlide: this usually indicates a forgotten ';' or too manny commas etc. |
| 12:12.30 | NewpZ | whoops pasted a little extra at the top :) |
| 12:12.45 | NewpZ | Package quanta is not installed, so not removed |
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| 12:13.09 | F-Lelo | X: user not authorized to run the X server, aborting. |
| 12:13.10 | LandSlide | ok i think it's in the configure script |
| 12:13.12 | F-Lelo | ops |
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| 12:13.24 | streuner | NewpZ: apt-get clean |
| 12:13.24 | F-Lelo | giving up. |
| 12:13.25 | F-Lelo | xinit: Connection refused (errno 111): unable to connect to X server |
| 12:13.25 | F-Lelo | xinit: No such process (errno 3): Server error. |
| 12:13.25 | F-Lelo | Couldnt get a file descriptor referring to the console |
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| 12:13.39 | zer0`` | how can i get a list of games which are installed (packages)? |
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| 12:13.55 | streuner | NewpZ: show us the sources.list |
| 12:13.57 | F-Lelo | sorry ppl... ran with -o accidently |
| 12:14.26 | NewpZ | http://pastebin.com/272755 |
| 12:14.29 | F-Lelo | liable: (EE) Unable to find a core keyboard device |
| 12:14.38 | F-Lelo | and no screens found... both |
| 12:14.49 | usn | hi all |
| 12:14.52 | Trev1 | <PROTECTED> |
| 12:14.53 | Guerin | !drxx F-Lelo |
| 12:14.54 | dpkg | F-Lelo: dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xfree86 (as root) |
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| 12:15.03 | F-Lelo | Guerin: done that already... |
| 12:15.05 | liable | F-Lelo: you startx as user or root |
| 12:15.16 | F-Lelo | liable: yes, just to test it |
| 12:15.17 | Guerin | do it again and choose the right options this time |
| 12:15.35 | F-Lelo | Guerin: I did......... |
| 12:15.45 | F-Lelo | Guerin: I use xf86cfg -textmode instead |
| 12:15.46 | Guerin | F-Lelo: have you edited your xf86congif-4 file by hand? |
| 12:15.48 | LandSlide | i think that was it... |
| 12:15.50 | LandSlide | yep! |
| 12:15.54 | F-Lelo | Guerin: nope...! |
| 12:15.56 | Guerin | or by any method other than drxx? |
| 12:16.04 | Guerin | oh |
| 12:16.07 | F-Lelo | it is using XF86Config not -4 |
| 12:16.13 | Guerin | F-Lelo: um, why? |
| 12:16.23 | zahod | zer0``, you can see it with aptitude |
| 12:16.29 | Guerin | F-Lelo: you're running woody or sarge, right? |
| 12:16.34 | F-Lelo | sarge |
| 12:16.51 | zer0`` | thanks, will try it |
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| 12:17.07 | Guerin | F-Lelo: sarge uses xfree 4.X, which uses xf86congif-4 |
| 12:17.21 | Guerin | unless you've specifically installed a 3.x X server |
| 12:17.30 | F-Lelo | no it is 4.X for sure |
| 12:17.31 | F-Lelo | 4.3 |
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| 12:17.40 | dhuv | hello all |
| 12:17.58 | dhuv | i am getting the following when trying to update apt |
| 12:18.03 | Guerin | F-Lelo: well, if drxx doesn't change the file, read the comments at the top which discuss the md5sum of it. |
| 12:18.04 | dhuv | http://debian.mirrors.pair.com/dists/unstable/main/binary-i386/Packages.gz: Error reading from server Remote end closed connection |
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| 12:18.10 | dhuv | http://debian.mirrors.pair.com/dists/unstable/contrib/binary-i386/Packages.gz: 403 Forbidden |
| 12:18.17 | Guerin | dhuv: choose another mirror |
| 12:18.17 | dhuv | if i try other repositories i get the same |
| 12:18.22 | liable | F-Lelo: you upgrade from woody? |
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| 12:18.36 | F-Lelo | liable: no mate... I installed with sarge's d-i |
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| 12:19.08 | Guerin | dhuv: try to access that file via any http browser |
| 12:19.10 | LandSlide | i'm currently running debian inside vmware, but can't seem to get x to use the full screen size (1280x800) anyone know what the problem maybe? I added the resolution entry in /etc/X11/XF86Config-4.. no luck :( |
| 12:19.20 | Guerin | !vmware |
| 12:19.20 | dpkg | i heard vmware is for 2.6 kernels, download the patches from ftp://platan.vc.cvut.cz/pub/vmware, read the README, or #vmware, or vmware 5.0 supports 2.6 kernels happily |
| 12:19.23 | Guerin | grr |
| 12:19.39 | Guerin | we don't support proprietary software here |
| 12:19.57 | _Trev_ | Any backuppc experts online ? |
| 12:20.05 | michal_ | anyone know if there are prebuilt debian-installer iso's with 2.6.11 on them? |
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| 12:20.13 | liable | F-Lelo: have you done an update and dist-upgrade yet? seeing as your x link wasnt there, you may have a buggy version?? maybe |
| 12:20.14 | LandSlide | ah. ok ;) |
| 12:20.19 | PerfDave | Guerin: Unless it's Enemy Territory ;) |
| 12:20.23 | Guerin | michal_: /msg dpkg custom d-i |
| 12:20.30 | PerfDave | Guerin: Or nvidia drivers. |
| 12:20.33 | Guerin | PerfDave: speak for yerself :) |
| 12:20.33 | F-Lelo | liable: yeah, I'll try that... you might be right ;) |
| 12:21.36 | michal_ | guerin: that didn't work for me last i tried.. will try starting from scratch again |
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| 12:21.49 | Guerin | i'd just like to say that I'm really, really happy that india and pakistan are at least pretending to negotiate |
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| 12:22.10 | PerfDave | Guerin: Now for China and Japan :) |
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| 12:22.59 | jm_ | and then Koreas |
| 12:22.59 | Guerin | PerfDave: heh... I'm just waiting for South Korea to get on that bandwagon |
| 12:22.59 | F-Lelo | Guerin: what is bandwagon? |
| 12:22.59 | Guerin | the koreas won't happen until KJI dies |
| 12:22.59 | Pappa | well, quake3 may go gpl |
| 12:23.00 | liable | F-Lelo: you apt source list says testing or sarge doesnt it? |
| 12:23.10 | Pappa | which will rock |
| 12:23.11 | Guerin | F-Lelo: like a trend... a fad |
| 12:23.21 | F-Lelo | Guerin: oh, I see... Thanks :) |
| 12:23.27 | F-Lelo | liable: hmm...? what do you mean? |
| 12:24.10 | liable | F-Lelo: cat /etc/apt/sources.list look for testing or sarge in it |
| 12:24.28 | Pappa | damnit |
| 12:24.35 | F-Lelo | liable: sure, it says testing |
| 12:24.44 | Pappa | i keep getting messages like these: mandb: warning: /usr/share/man/man1/preline.1.gz is a dangling symlink once a day from cron |
| 12:25.16 | PerfDave | Pappa: That's probably because /usr/share/man/man1/preline.1.gz is a dangling symlink. |
| 12:25.23 | Guerin | Pappa: me too. I just ignore them. |
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| 12:25.30 | Guerin | I suppose you could delete the symlink |
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| 12:25.38 | Pappa | PerfDave: but it pisses me off, and it should be fixed. |
| 12:25.45 | Guerin | Pappa: BTS |
| 12:25.46 | fl0w | What text viewing programs are recommended? |
| 12:25.55 | Guerin | fl0w: i recommend 'less' |
| 12:26.00 | Pappa | less |
| 12:26.02 | Pappa | yeh |
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| 12:26.13 | F-Lelo | hmmm .... question |
| 12:26.15 | jm_ | use less, not more |
| 12:26.20 | F-Lelo | why less and not more? (not joking) |
| 12:26.26 | liable | but more is less |
| 12:26.27 | Guerin | bah |
| 12:26.29 | Guerin | beaten |
| 12:26.35 | F-Lelo | ahhahahaah |
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| 12:26.38 | F-Lelo | alright, forget about it |
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| 12:26.43 | F-Lelo | I'll just read on.. |
| 12:27.21 | dreamskm | hi guys. very quick question: I have a server with no sde device. Can I copy the minor/major numbers from another computer that does have sde*? |
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| 12:27.39 | dreamskm | it's got four SATA HDs in it, and I want to mount a USB disk... |
| 12:27.41 | PerfDave | Pappa: So fix it. |
| 12:27.52 | F-Lelo | hahahaha look |
| 12:27.54 | F-Lelo | !less |
| 12:27.54 | dpkg | extra, extra, read all about it, less is more than more, more or less, or less than more, or a convenient paging mechanism, or less |
| 12:28.01 | dreamskm | haha |
| 12:28.01 | F-Lelo | o_O |
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| 12:28.06 | jm_ | dreamskm: why? makedev can create them, but you'll still need a driver that will handle hde devices, it's not like having a file will help much |
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| 12:28.14 | Pappa | if i could find the man page yeah |
| 12:28.25 | dreamskm | jm_: the usb drivers should be all ok |
| 12:28.34 | dreamskm | are those supposed to create the dev file automagically? |
| 12:28.35 | schneiderj | I would like to install the source of my kernel with Synatic, but it search on the web and I have no connexion : only the CD set. How can ask to search the package on the CD's ? |
| 12:28.51 | jm_ | dreamskm: so use makedev if you're not using udev or devfs |
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| 12:29.04 | fl0w | less doesnt work in a x-windows envoirement does it? |
| 12:29.10 | Guerin | sure it does |
| 12:29.13 | dreamskm | ok. I use makedev with the same minor and minor numbers are are given to /dec/sde* on another computer? |
| 12:29.17 | jm_ | schneiderj: man apt-cache |
| 12:29.17 | Guerin | it just needs a terminal emulator |
| 12:29.18 | jethro | fl0w: why would it not? |
| 12:29.27 | pingouin_ | schneiderj: how could you not have connection ?! i see you ;) |
| 12:29.34 | jm_ | no, you don't tell makedev about device numbers, it knows them |
| 12:29.52 | dreamskm | aha, great. let's try that |
| 12:30.07 | schneiderj | Yes but from my windows laptop |
| 12:30.13 | jm_ | ahh it only goes sda-sdd, how unfortunate |
| 12:30.13 | dreamskm | -bash: makedev: command not found |
| 12:30.15 | dreamskm | ...that's not good |
| 12:30.31 | schneiderj | and I would like to initiallise my wireless conexion on debian... |
| 12:30.31 | F-Lelo | dreamskm: apt-get install makedev |
| 12:30.42 | dreamskm | aptitude says it's installed... hmm... |
| 12:30.50 | jm_ | dreamskm: cd /dev && ./MAKEDEV |
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| 12:31.13 | jm_ | and it knows sde, it's just not created as part of any other target |
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| 12:31.17 | F-Lelo | jm_: ur right |
| 12:31.18 | dreamskm | ahh, gotcha |
| 12:31.24 | michal_ | Guerin, the instructions on how to build your own debian-installer iso seem flawed.. they don't mention that the linux-kernel-di-i386-2.6 package seems to be dependant on a SPECIFIC kernel and changing the kernel-versions file has no affect on the dependancies.. i'm not sure what I'm supposed to do to build the package.. install both the kernel i want and the kernel it depends on? |
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| 12:32.09 | dreamskm | thank you, works nicely :) |
| 12:32.35 | dreamskm | right, ready for server deployment then... just wanted to check that I could, if necessary, use a USB disk on the thing |
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| 12:34.21 | tarzeau | !dpkg eaw |
| 12:34.37 | Guerin | michal_: sorry dude, I haven't done it. I expect #debian-boot would know |
| 12:34.41 | tarzeau | eaw patches are gone? |
| 12:34.55 | resiak | !eqw |
| 12:34.56 | resiak | !eaw |
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| 12:35.03 | resiak | *shrug* |
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| 12:36.47 | bykte | dont be gh3y |
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| 12:37.03 | Guerin | bykte: don't be bigot3d |
| 12:37.18 | bykte | sorry :x |
| 12:37.19 | faber2 | anybody knows a command tool to tag mp3's with cddb info? |
| 12:37.28 | resiak | Yes, I do! |
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| 12:37.39 | jm_ | mp3-s and CDDB don't match |
| 12:37.40 | faber2 | resiak: would you share? |
| 12:37.42 | resiak | Oh, wait, no I don't. |
| 12:37.48 | resiak | I know how to tag mp3s. |
| 12:37.54 | resiak | But, hey, apt-cache might know |
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| 12:38.19 | jm_ | you can use cd-discid to get the info for given ID, and then use that to tag the files |
| 12:38.21 | faber2 | jm_: true, cddb is for CDs... |
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| 12:38.36 | Guerin | it's a perl script waiting to be written |
| 12:38.44 | resiak | I'll write it! |
| 12:38.48 | jm_ | faber2: abcde will use cddb when you rip things |
| 12:38.49 | resiak | Oh, wait, no I won't. |
| 12:38.56 | Guerin | resiak: you'd write it in haskell |
| 12:39.00 | jm_ | or rather, the tools it uses will |
| 12:39.02 | resiak | Guerin: Not a chance. |
| 12:39.06 | Guerin | heh |
| 12:39.10 | resiak | Guerin: There's no CHAN |
| 12:39.43 | resiak | Guerin: You know CPAN? Comprehensive Perl Archive Network? |
| 12:39.48 | Guerin | oooh |
| 12:39.53 | Guerin | i'm with you now |
| 12:39.57 | resiak | Guerin: Yes. |
| 12:39.59 | Guerin | CPAN owns me |
| 12:40.14 | bykte | lol, owns you.. |
| 12:40.15 | resiak | Guerin: Besides ... Haskell's IO is a little ... strange. |
| 12:40.37 | Guerin | bykte: it owns you, too, you just don't realise it yet |
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| 12:40.54 | F-Lelo | alright, I wrote the perl script... who wants it? |
| 12:40.57 | bykte | cool, i have an owner now :D |
| 12:41.01 | maltaman | good evening, can one of you help me find out why i can't get my network card running? its a broadcom netextreme bcm5701 and i dont know how to install it |
| 12:41.03 | Guerin | F-Lelo: put it on a httpd |
| 12:41.06 | F-Lelo | Oh, wait, no I didn't. |
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| 12:41.20 | Guerin | F-Lelo: bah, I thought that was a bit fast |
| 12:41.28 | F-Lelo | hehehe |
| 12:41.38 | F-Lelo | I guess I learn quick |
| 12:43.10 | schneiderj | I do man apt-cache but did'n find the good synthax to use the CD's |
| 12:43.26 | jm_ | schneiderj: man apt-cdrom |
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| 12:44.23 | faber2 | is there a command line tool which takes a cdda encodes a mp3 WITH the cddb tags? |
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| 12:44.54 | jm_ | faber2: what does that mean? |
| 12:45.03 | resiak | faber2: abcde |
| 12:45.35 | resiak | faber2: "It also allows you to read and encode while not on the internet, and later query a CDDB server to tag your files." -- that's exactly what you want. |
| 12:45.41 | schneiderj | how does I do to quit the man pages ? |
| 12:45.43 | resiak | q |
| 12:45.43 | essox | faber2: yaret? |
| 12:45.59 | schneiderj | thnaks ! |
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| 12:46.11 | schneiderj | thanks I would say ! |
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| 12:47.00 | bykte | why does my settings at /etc/profile always fail |
| 12:47.39 | bykte | ANT_HOME="/usr/local/ant" |
| 12:47.39 | bykte | PATH="/usr/local/bin:/usr/bin:/bin:/usr/bin/X11:/usr/games:$ANT_HOME/bin" |
| 12:47.44 | bykte | is there anything wrong with that? |
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| 12:48.56 | saabin | hello two questions |
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| 12:49.22 | michal_ | does debian have pcmcia module packages for the 2.6.x kernels? |
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| 12:49.29 | saabin | how I can cut characters "-n" where "-n fdkdm=fff -n frrt=wwc -n red=mdfmd" is an output of a command |
| 12:49.37 | saabin | from command line |
| 12:50.06 | jm_ | saabin: use sed |
| 12:50.22 | schneiderj | But apt-cache and apt-cdrom are use to add new CDROM, but I want to use the CD I have burn 3 day's ago |
| 12:50.35 | michal_ | anyone? I couldn't find anything with apt-cache.. but debian-installer build instructions say it's required |
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| 12:50.43 | schneiderj | and not from the network, as I am not connected |
| 12:50.51 | schneiderj | Any solution ? |
| 12:51.34 | jm_ | no, apt-cdrom adds CD-s to sources.list, once they are there, apt-cache will search using the info about packages on those CD-s |
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| 12:51.50 | sachin | sorry if this is a noob question, but does anyone know if its possible to open .doc files (ms word) in debian ? |
| 12:52.01 | saabin | awk '{print $1,$2,$3,$4,$6}' how to add "" to variable $3. Let's say $3 is BLAH. Wanna make it "BLAH" |
| 12:52.05 | Guerin | sachin: apt-get install openoffice.org |
| 12:52.07 | schneiderj | but why did it want to download the package ? |
| 12:52.10 | resiak | sachin: apt-get install abiword |
| 12:52.19 | Guerin | sachin: or, easier, apt-get install antiword |
| 12:52.22 | Guerin | bah |
| 12:52.24 | jm_ | because you also have other entries in sources.list |
| 12:52.28 | Guerin | abiword mangles tat shit up |
| 12:52.36 | liable | schneiderj: comment out your http/ftp sources and uncomment cd |
| 12:52.36 | resiak | Guerin: Works for me. |
| 12:52.44 | sachin | thanks guerin |
| 12:52.46 | Guerin | resiak: i guess you're lucky. |
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| 12:52.49 | schneiderj | How can I remove this entry |
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| 12:53.06 | resiak | Guerin: OOo mangles stuff equally badly for me. |
| 12:53.26 | michal_ | this sucks :/ I can't install debian on the server |
| 12:53.36 | Guerin | resiak: hrm, interesting. I'd love to not use oo.o, but it's the only thing which workd reliably. Aparet from antiword :) |
| 12:53.39 | js | how can i turn off the console screen saver? |
| 12:53.47 | js | the one that turns everything black |
| 12:53.55 | schneiderj | What file does I have to edit to comment this file ? |
| 12:54.05 | jethro | !punish Guerin's fragile fingers |
| 12:54.19 | Guerin | you can have my fingers' balls |
| 12:54.20 | jm_ | saabin: $3=$"text" 3 "text", but might not work with all versions of awk |
| 12:54.25 | resiak | Guerin: antiword looks _nice_ |
| 12:54.30 | Guerin | i wasn't using them anyway |
| 12:54.39 | Guerin | resiak: you didn't know about antiword!!!1?1/ |
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| 12:54.58 | resiak | Guerin: No. :( |
| 12:55.02 | Guerin | wow |
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| 12:55.07 | Guerin | antiword is the shit |
| 12:55.11 | jethro | antiword sounds to me like all the *.box.sk hosts |
| 12:55.12 | resiak | Guerin: /me uses it. |
| 12:55.14 | motoboi | Guys, for libpam-smb doesn't exists in sarge, which package contains pam modules for smb authentication? |
| 12:55.17 | Guerin | it's like pstotext for .doc |
| 12:56.02 | daffy-pkf | how do i kill a tcp connection listed by 'netstat -a'? |
| 12:56.15 | jethro | motoboi: authenticating with an AD ? |
| 12:56.28 | jm_ | daffy-pkf: kill the process using it, or use cutter if it applies |
| 12:56.52 | jethro | motoboi: or using NT4 domain logons? |
| 12:57.06 | takatumi | hmm, didn't know abiword and all the plugins was only this big. "Need to get 5315kB of archives." Imagine getting M$word like that. |
| 12:57.06 | liable | daffy-pkf: what is it? |
| 12:57.06 | motoboi | jethro, NT4 domain logons. |
| 12:57.21 | daffy-pkf | jm_> the process that used it was vsftpd, but it's down and the connections are still there |
| 12:57.28 | Guerin | takatumi: hahaha |
| 12:57.34 | jm_ | daffy-pkf: they will go away, that's normal |
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| 12:57.46 | schneiderj | how can I find the sources.list ? |
| 12:57.47 | F-Lelo | Hey ppl, how do I put a package on hold for not ugprading it on apt-get dist-upgrade? |
| 12:57.48 | jethro | motoboi: then you want libpam-smbpass |
| 12:57.52 | daffy-pkf | jm_> it's a long time now... |
| 12:58.00 | F-Lelo | schneiderj: cd /etc/apt ; ls -l |
| 12:58.04 | motoboi | libpam-smbpass replaces libpam-smb? |
| 12:58.08 | jm_ | daffy-pkf: what state is it in? |
| 12:58.12 | jethro | motoboi: I guess it does |
| 12:58.17 | takatumi | but htf did they manage to use up this much space from so little? "After unpacking 17.0MB of additional disk space will be used." |
| 12:58.23 | Guerin | !tell F-Lelo about hold |
| 12:58.32 | F-Lelo | Thanks Guerin = D |
| 12:58.34 | F-Lelo | =D |
| 12:58.34 | motoboi | thanks, jethro, I'll check this out! |
| 12:58.38 | jethro | I never used libpam-smb so I couldn't tell you, but libpam-smbpass provides what you want |
| 12:58.39 | Guerin | takatumi: lots of xml templates and shit? |
| 12:58.40 | Humbe | Which package should I dpkg-reconfigure to reset mail variables like outgoing mailserver, satelite etc.. |
| 12:58.46 | jethro | motoboi: you're welcome |
| 12:59.18 | daffy-pkf | jm_> established |
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| 12:59.19 | takatumi | Guerin: probably. |
| 12:59.32 | resiak | takatumi: Ever heard of gzip? ;) |
| 12:59.34 | jm_ | daffy-pkf: then the process is not gone, netstat -nap will list more info |
| 13:00.17 | takatumi | resiak: I use it often, but that is impressive package management. |
| 13:00.24 | resiak | takatumi: Heh. |
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| 13:01.31 | takatumi | !praise hostap |
| 13:01.45 | takatumi | eww. |
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| 13:02.00 | liable | !gender |
| 13:02.00 | schneiderj | in the sources.liste I have only entry for CD ... On line is uncommented with # |
| 13:02.01 | dpkg | I'm male |
| 13:02.07 | daffy-pkf | jm_> i restarted the server since, but can i kill a connection without shutting down the server? since there is only one connection i want to kill, the other users on the ftp MUST stay connected |
| 13:02.14 | liable | dpkg you confused |
| 13:02.35 | takatumi | so is there going to be an apt-git? |
| 13:02.39 | schneiderj | so why can I don't find the source of the kernel 2.6.8 ? |
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| 13:03.47 | takatumi | schneiderj: if you searched well, get it from kernel.org |
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| 13:04.08 | jm_ | daffy-pkf: did you look at cutter? |
| 13:04.19 | schneiderj | yes, but I have no connexion to the net... |
| 13:04.39 | takatumi | schneiderj: what CDs do you have? |
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| 13:04.59 | schneiderj | and my cd's set is new (3 days), the Sarge the last version |
| 13:05.15 | daffy-pkf | jm_> i don't know cutter, but i'll take a look at it later, i have to go now, thanks for the help |
| 13:05.24 | brunocesar | Hello, somebody knows how to setup acrobat reader 7 pluing in firefox browser? |
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| 13:06.18 | mdh | brunocesar: apt-get install mozilla-plugins |
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| 13:06.53 | drac | brunocesar: /msg dpkg marillat, and apt-get install acroread-plugins |
| 13:06.53 | F-Lelo | what is that package's name related to debian bugs? |
| 13:06.58 | F-Lelo | I can't remember |
| 13:07.02 | brunocesar | E: Couldn't find package mozilla-plugins |
| 13:07.05 | F-Lelo | Tonic: don't do that |
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| 13:07.12 | takatumi | schneiderj: tried apt-cdrom? |
| 13:07.14 | Tonic | F-Lelo: oki |
| 13:07.45 | Guerin | Tonic: you fucking twat |
| 13:07.50 | schneiderj | yes but I have already all the CDs in the sources.file |
| 13:07.57 | Guerin | Tonic: i hope you get DOSed |
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| 13:08.09 | Tonic | hm |
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| 13:08.27 | F-Lelo | Guerin: do u remember? |
| 13:08.29 | Tonic | I thought It's a serious channel |
| 13:08.38 | F-Lelo | that package to research about bugs found in debian |
| 13:08.39 | Tonic | but I see that it's not |
| 13:08.48 | aardvark | !tell Tonic about foad |
| 13:09.01 | tarzeau | bob2: feel like trying a player package? |
| 13:09.09 | brunocesar | drac, it contains the v7 plugin? |
| 13:09.10 | Guerin | F-Lelo: apt-listbugs, query-bts |
| 13:09.17 | F-Lelo | thanks Guerin |
| 13:09.32 | Tonic | ok If I bothered you by my ctcp sorry! |
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| 13:09.45 | takatumi | schneiderj: tried apt-cache search kernel-source? |
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| 13:10.51 | schneiderj | Yes also, but I am not a all an expert with Linux |
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| 13:11.19 | schneiderj | I have just installed the Kernel 2.6.8 and use it |
| 13:11.26 | Tonic | Who is using gdesklets here pls |
| 13:11.29 | tarzeau | takatumi! |
| 13:11.37 | jethro | !pls |
| 13:11.37 | dpkg | Cud u plz spk englsh bcuz wen u spk lke ths u luk lke a moron. |
| 13:11.43 | valdyn | !polls |
| 13:11.43 | dpkg | "Does anyone have X or use Y?" is taking a poll, not asking a valid question. Don't do it or sussudio's army of militant badgers will hurt you. Also see <ask> and <bad polls> |
| 13:11.44 | takatumi | tarzeau! what player package btw? |
| 13:12.00 | tarzeau | takatumi: http://gnu.ethz.ch/debian/ocp/ |
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| 13:12.03 | schneiderj | Now I go back to the Kernel 2.4 and it work find with Synaptic :) |
| 13:12.13 | Ekaterin | I'm having difficulty compiling crack (from ftp://ftp.cert.dfn.de/pub/tools/password/Crack/). "./Crack -makeonly" keeps giving the error message "gcc: elcid.o: No such file or directory". Help? |
| 13:12.17 | tarzeau | takatumi: you can get all the *.deb and the example .xm |
| 13:12.36 | schneiderj | Linux is a little bit difficult to learn :) |
| 13:12.41 | tarzeau | takatumi: it has got a nice file selector. plays mp3 and ogg as well |
| 13:12.42 | jethro | Ekaterin: why don't you just apt-get install it? |
| 13:13.05 | Tonic | no body uses gdeklets? |
| 13:13.13 | Guerin | nope |
| 13:13.15 | Guerin | nobody |
| 13:13.15 | jm_ | schneiderj: that means you're missing something (module-init-tools or CD-ROM driver in the kernel) |
| 13:13.16 | Ekaterin | jethro: AFAIK, there isn't a woody package for crack. |
| 13:13.18 | PerfDave | Ekaterin: Find the Debian package that provides elcid.o ? |
| 13:13.22 | PerfDave | Ekaterin: /msg dpkg usrlocal |
| 13:13.26 | PerfDave | Ekaterin: /msg dpkg backports |
| 13:13.29 | takatumi | tarzeau: getting 'em, sounds good. :) |
| 13:13.43 | tarzeau | takatumi: don't forget to tell me something about it |
| 13:13.51 | takatumi | tarzeau: sure. |
| 13:14.08 | schneiderj | Yes, but I can read what I have on CD... |
| 13:14.31 | bykte | how do i locate the default installation path for java? locate java doesnt give me sdk |
| 13:14.44 | tarzeau | bykte: how would we know? |
| 13:14.52 | tarzeau | bykte: it doesn't exist |
| 13:15.03 | PerfDave | bykte: /msg dpkg java |
| 13:15.06 | mdh | Tonic: are you running a poll or do you actually have some question regarding gdesklets |
| 13:15.12 | jethro | Ekaterin: then backport it |
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| 13:15.37 | jethro | Ekaterin: or use one by backports.org or whoever backported it |
| 13:15.39 | Tonic | mdh: I have problems with sensors in it...omly weather forecasting works |
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| 13:15.54 | Tonic | It needs something to be compiled in the kernell? |
| 13:16.07 | mdh | Tonic: lm-sensors probably |
| 13:16.09 | schneiderj | If I install a package with the kernel 2.4.27, can I use it with the kernel 2.6.8 ? |
| 13:16.24 | tarzeau | schneiderj: probably |
| 13:16.44 | drac | brunocesar: yes. marillat has acroread and acroread-plugins 7.0 |
| 13:16.51 | mdadm | noticed i have people trying to break into my debian box thru ssh....anyway i can check if they are trying to come in thru other routes? ports etc...any tool out there? |
| 13:16.53 | Tonic | mdh: ok thanks,I'll try it |
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| 13:17.17 | jethro | mdadm: you can use "cd", then "tail" |
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| 13:17.31 | PerfDave | mdadm: snort is an IDS |
| 13:17.40 | mdh | mdadm: tcpdump, log their ips. there's heaps of analysis programs for tcpdump logs |
| 13:17.52 | Ekaterin | mdadm: How about "logcheck" which you can configure to filter the logfiles any way you want? |
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| 13:18.10 | liable | Tonic: what are you trying to do, and what does weather forecasts have to do with it, or shouldnt I ask |
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| 13:18.34 | budluva | where can i download debian on dvd? |
| 13:18.41 | budluva | debian.org doesnt seem to have a link |
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| 13:18.48 | mdadm | thanks perfdave,mdh,ekaterin-- Ill check it out. hey jethro--you were joking right? |
| 13:18.48 | budluva | or is it not available on dvd? |
| 13:19.00 | jethro | mdadm: no |
| 13:19.08 | Tonic | liable: I wrote only it does work...monitoring the hdd and cpu does not work...it is writing an error,that no sensors ere installed |
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| 13:19.28 | Aronofsky | hi everybody |
| 13:19.42 | mdadm | jethro: then..what did you mean by your comment? i tailed the log files in /var/log already |
| 13:19.59 | jethro | mdadm: why would you use snort with the defaults, and get tons of false positive, where you can find almost everything you need in logs |
| 13:20.22 | saabin | How can I split the first 4 columns of a line. For example: awk '{print $1,$2,$3,$4}' get the first 4 columns. How to get the next following $* ? in one single variable? |
| 13:20.32 | liable | Tonic: maybe acpi will help tou there for the cpu |
| 13:20.40 | jm_ | saabin: you'll have to do it yourself |
| 13:20.46 | Aronofsky | got a pb with ldap, try to add with command : ldapadd -x -W -D "cn=Manager,dc=example,dc=com" -f test.ldif, and after typing passwd i got the error msg : ldap_bind: Invalid credentials (49) , any idea ? |
| 13:20.52 | jethro | Aronofsky: /j #ldap |
| 13:21.02 | Tonic | liable: ok thnx |
| 13:21.04 | saabin | jm_ I do not know how many columns are following. |
| 13:21.08 | tarzeau | saabin: $1=$2=$3=$4=""; $0 |
| 13:21.08 | schneiderj | what is the command to determine the monted source of the kernel ? |
| 13:21.23 | tarzeau | schneiderj: uname -a |
| 13:21.23 | jethro | Aronofsky: the error message is rather self explanatory imho |
| 13:21.23 | Aronofsky | jethro, ok sorry |
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| 13:21.26 | jm_ | saabin: that's why awk has NF variable |
| 13:21.35 | tarzeau | schneiderj: no idea what monted is though |
| 13:21.44 | saabin | tarzeau: $0 is the rest of the line? |
| 13:21.49 | tarzeau | saabin: no it's the whole line |
| 13:21.55 | jethro | Aronofsky: did you try valid credentials? |
| 13:21.59 | tarzeau | saabin: but once you discard $1..$4 like i told you |
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| 13:22.03 | tarzeau | saabin: you get what you want |
| 13:22.12 | schneiderj | uname is to determine the kernel used, no? |
| 13:22.13 | Aronofsky | jethro, sorry im french, what is credentials ? |
| 13:22.16 | tarzeau | saabin: go read some good awk book, they exist |
| 13:22.26 | tarzeau | schneiderj: and what is "mont" for? |
| 13:22.27 | mdadm | jethro: just looking for all the holes..so i can catch the mouse.. |
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| 13:22.30 | saabin | tarzeau: I have the whole line. I can extract the first 4. I want the rest in a single line |
| 13:22.31 | jair_11 | guys I was for couple of hours using the ubuntu crap and I get sick of the "sudo sudo sudo sudo" |
| 13:22.37 | jethro | Aronofsky: login/password, and you don't have to be sorry for being french, I am too and don't feel sorry at all |
| 13:22.39 | jair_11 | sudo for everything I hate it |
| 13:22.44 | tarzeau | saabin: yes that's 16:20 < tarzeau> saabin: $1=$2=$3=$4=""; $0 |
| 13:23.11 | Aronofsky | jethro, Im using valid credentials ( I think ) |
| 13:23.13 | schneiderj | the installed source : I have an error during a make install command : source of the kernell not found |
| 13:23.18 | tarzeau | jair_11: sudo is fine. ubuntu doesn't belong here |
| 13:23.24 | saabin | tarzeau: let me check it. 1 second I bet you are right |
| 13:23.26 | F-Lelo | does anyone knows a good "expect" howto? |
| 13:23.28 | jethro | Aronofsky: well, as per the error message, you aren't |
| 13:23.39 | F-Lelo | I could only find bad ones |
| 13:23.45 | tarzeau | F-Lelo: what for? |
| 13:23.55 | F-Lelo | tarzeau: expect programming |
| 13:24.00 | jm_ | F-Lelo: o'reilly have a book about expect |
| 13:24.01 | tarzeau | F-Lelo: what do you want to do exactly? |
| 13:24.12 | tarzeau | F-Lelo: you want to avoid expect, really |
| 13:24.16 | F-Lelo | jm_: hmmm... good, I'll buy it |
| 13:24.24 | F-Lelo | tarzeau: hmmm you mean it? why? |
| 13:24.31 | tarzeau | F-Lelo: yes. go figure. |
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| 13:25.01 | jair_11 | tarzeau, that is what I am saying |
| 13:25.15 | jair_11 | tarzeau, I am just commenting |
| 13:25.21 | F-Lelo | tarzeau: what would you use instead of expect? |
| 13:25.24 | jair_11 | tarzeau, my bad experience with it |
| 13:25.30 | jair_11 | love debian sarge |
| 13:25.34 | tarzeau | F-Lelo: for what exactly. we can't read your mind |
| 13:25.38 | Tonic | liable: nope it did not work ;o( |
| 13:25.51 | F-Lelo | tarzeau: I do my backups update with expect |
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| 13:26.05 | F-Lelo | tarzeau: I send the backups thru a trustable vpn |
| 13:26.07 | tarzeau | F-Lelo: and how exactly? |
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| 13:26.17 | tarzeau | F-Lelo: haha can i laugh? |
| 13:26.25 | jethro | you already laughed |
| 13:26.26 | trand | hi~ |
| 13:26.27 | F-Lelo | tarzeau: sure, suit, yourself |
| 13:26.38 | F-Lelo | if you find that funny, go ahead.. |
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| 13:27.11 | tarzeau | F-Lelo: what is the expect needed for in this backup scenario with your trustable vpn? |
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| 13:27.26 | F-Lelo | tarzeau: I don't know, I didn't program it |
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| 13:27.39 | liable | Tonic: read about acpi, you *do* need to |
| 13:27.42 | F-Lelo | tarzeau: the guy who did the backup system did it (o_O) |
| 13:27.59 | tarzeau | F-Lelo: did you ever restore from these backups? |
| 13:28.00 | Tonic | ok |
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| 13:28.18 | saabin | tarzeau: you are genius |
| 13:28.27 | saabin | tarzeau: that worked |
| 13:28.31 | F-Lelo | tarzeau: yes and ti works |
| 13:28.34 | F-Lelo | *it |
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| 13:29.25 | F-Lelo | forget about it, tarzeau |
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| 13:29.32 | F-Lelo | I just asked about a expect howto |
| 13:29.35 | F-Lelo | *an |
| 13:30.08 | grigora | i have some daily cron jobs setup which print out a success message after they run. I used to get emails with these messages in them every day, but a few days ago, the messages stopped coming even though I can see that the scripts are executed every night successfully, anyone knows what could be the problem? I just sent a test message to myself and came through which makes me think that the mailserver is fine. |
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| 13:30.26 | element14 | question: in bash, how would i suppress a program's stdout and instead use stderr as the new stdout? |
| 13:30.46 | tarzeau | element14: we can tell it's a question you don't have to label it |
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| 13:30.56 | mosty | grigora: what happens when you run the cron job manually? |
| 13:31.03 | element14 | xxx 1>/dev/null 2>&1 # i tried this but both stdout and stderr went to /dev/null |
| 13:31.03 | tarzeau | F-Lelo: you could've also asked here, but your question was bad. /msg dpkg ask |
| 13:31.08 | grigora | mosty: it works just fine and prints out the message |
| 13:31.10 | resiak | element14: #bash, man bash, command 2>&1 >/dev/null probably works. |
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| 13:32.10 | element14 | resiak: it works. thanks :) |
| 13:33.19 | Crasp | is there any kiosk software for windows that limits the use of X to only start mozilla, never be able to shut it down and allow only use to a certain site? |
| 13:33.25 | Crasp | lol |
| 13:33.28 | Crasp | -for windows |
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| 13:34.06 | Crasp | i need to put up a pc that people can use in a museum |
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| 13:34.36 | tarzeau | Crasp: does this look like #microsoft-windows ? |
| 13:34.43 | tarzeau | Crasp: why must it be windows? |
| 13:35.22 | stew | tarzeau: i think he meant s/for windows// when he said -for windows |
| 13:35.47 | tarzeau | ah - as in without |
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| 13:36.06 | PerfDave | Crasp: There's a project for web kiosks based on Linux. Google for ir. |
| 13:36.08 | daft | what was the command line tool to count rows? |
| 13:36.09 | tarzeau | Crasp: that's esasily done if you make mozilla the window manager |
| 13:36.13 | PerfDave | s/ir/it/ |
| 13:36.19 | tarzeau | daft: awk |
| 13:36.23 | daft | ty |
| 13:36.29 | stew | daft: wc |
| 13:36.35 | greycat | daft: wc -l |
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| 13:37.32 | brunocesar | people, i'm having trouble with acrobat reader 7 installation, i've installed mozilla-acroread, but when i try to open a pdf file with firefox this error occurs: Could not launch Adobe Reader 7.0. Please make sure it exists in PATH variable in the environment. |
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| 13:37.44 | daft | wc -l YEA ty |
| 13:37.52 | mdh | brunocesar: have you installed acroread also? |
| 13:38.18 | brunocesar | mdh, yes with apt-get |
| 13:38.35 | mdh | brunocesar: and you can "acroread foo.pdf" from the shell? |
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| 13:38.39 | hellfire | what does IBSS mean? |
| 13:38.43 | brunocesar | and i've already exported the correct path |
| 13:38.51 | brunocesar | mdh, ill try |
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| 13:39.02 | mdh | it's in /usr/bin which is in th e$PATH by default |
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| 13:39.39 | mdh | brunocesar: next check about:plugins in firefox, the nspdf.so plugin should be there |
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| 13:40.28 | brunocesar | mdh, i can open pdf files from the shell, ivw exported /usr/lib/Adobe/Acrobat7.0/bin/acroread |
| 13:40.36 | mdh | brunocesar: if not, symlink it into /usr/lib/mozilla-firefox/plugins/ |
| 13:40.55 | mdh | brunocesar: you don't need to export that into the $PATH, acroread is in /usr/bin by default |
| 13:41.11 | jm_ | it is? mine's in /usr/local/acroread7 ;) |
| 13:41.18 | mdh | brunocesar: and note, putting the actual binary into the $PATH won't work |
| 13:41.21 | brunocesar | mdh, instead of simbolic link, ive copied the nppd.so into firefox plugin directory |
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| 13:41.45 | mdh | brunocesar: that' should also work fine |
| 13:42.01 | tarzeau | acrobat software is not in main |
| 13:42.33 | mdh | jm_: when you install the debian packages you get the symlink into /usr/bin |
| 13:42.37 | brunocesar | tarzeau, not in debian official |
| 13:42.51 | jm_ | mdh: is that some unoficial package? |
| 13:42.53 | mdh | tarzeau: probably because it is non-free ;) |
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| 13:43.33 | mufa | hi, how could I fight against spam? |
| 13:43.34 | mdh | jm_: yes. brunocesar has installed the packages from marillat's archives |
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| 13:43.56 | jethro | mufa: use some greylisting, idealy spamd(8) on openbsd |
| 13:44.09 | bob2 | or postgrey |
| 13:44.10 | jm_ | mdh: ahh Marillat, I fetched the tarball from their FTP server |
| 13:44.27 | bob2 | I don't think there's any actual advantae to doing it on openbsd |
| 13:44.38 | mdh | ftp://ftp.nerim.net/debian-marillat |
| 13:44.40 | jethro | bob2: because you never used spamd(8) on openbsd |
| 13:44.50 | brunocesar | mdh, no way, ive copied the nppdf.so to /usr/lib/mozilla-firefox/plugins directory and the same problem happens |
| 13:45.04 | bob2 | jethro: and in what way is it utterly awesome? |
| 13:45.16 | jethro | bob2: it doesn't work at layer 7 |
| 13:45.20 | |rufius| | !do spamd |
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| 13:45.23 | bob2 | jethro: so? |
| 13:45.29 | mdh | brunocesar: when you about:plugins in firefox, do you see nppdf.so in the list? |
| 13:45.29 | bob2 | the OSI model is crap, anyway |
| 13:45.29 | |rufius| | !do nerim.net |
| 13:45.47 | jethro | bob2: so it's more efficient imho and straightforward to setup, where postgrey is a bit more complex |
| 13:45.48 | mdh | brunocesar: oh, you have restarted firefox after installing the new plugin, right? ;) |
| 13:45.58 | bob2 | jethro: how is it more efficient? |
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| 13:46.02 | mercurus | brunocesar, you need to delete the firefox cache before you restart firefox ... |
| 13:46.06 | mercurus | *plugin cache |
| 13:46.16 | bob2 | settuping up postgrey consists of installing it and adding one line each to two config files |
| 13:46.19 | brunocesar | mdh, yes its right there |
| 13:46.25 | jethro | bob2: spamd(8) is hooked to pf, postgrey is called by postfix |
| 13:46.25 | mercurus | rm ~/.mozilla/pluginreg.dat |
| 13:46.35 | jethro | bob2: fyi pf, is the openbsd packet filter |
| 13:46.39 | brunocesar | mercurus, delete firefox cache? ill try |
| 13:46.47 | bob2 | jethro: yes, I know |
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| 13:46.54 | mercurus | then when you restart firefox, it searches for new plugins ... finds the new one, and re-writes that file |
| 13:46.54 | bob2 | jethro: I don't see how that's an advantage |
| 13:47.09 | mercurus | brunocesar, rm ~/.mozilla/pluginreg.dat <-- plugin cache |
| 13:47.15 | jethro | bob2: did you ever deal with thousands of email a day ? |
| 13:47.16 | mercurus | then restart firefox |
| 13:47.22 | bob2 | jethro: yes |
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| 13:47.54 | bob2 | jethro: 23:47:46 up 17 days, 15:05, 4 users, load average: 0.00, 0.03, 0.08 |
| 13:48.01 | mdh | only thousands of emails a day? that was so last millennium ;) |
| 13:48.03 | jethro | wow |
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| 13:48.05 | jethro | 17 days |
| 13:48.07 | jethro | :) |
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| 13:48.16 | jethro | bob2: what was that for? |
| 13:48.21 | bob2 | yes, the load average is proportional to penis size |
| 13:48.26 | jethro | heh |
| 13:48.26 | bob2 | er, uptime |
| 13:48.34 | mdh | root@apophos:/apophos/httpd/argus-80# uptime |
| 13:48.34 | mdh | <PROTECTED> |
| 13:48.38 | bob2 | jethro: to show that using postgrey with thousands of emails a day is neglibigble load |
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| 13:48.50 | jethro | bob2: I don't talk load, I talk time taken |
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| 13:48.54 | bob2 | mdh: you have like 10 local root exploits |
| 13:49.00 | bob2 | jethro: to do what? |
| 13:49.08 | jethro | bob2: to deal with each greylisted entry |
| 13:49.11 | grigora | does anyone know why I would stop getting notification email from the daily cron jobs? my mail server seems to be working fine. |
| 13:49.12 | mdh | bob2: in Solaris 2.6?? |
| 13:49.13 | bob2 | hahahaha |
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| 13:49.17 | bob2 | mdh: ah |
| 13:49.22 | jethro | bob2: and talking interroperability too, postgrey is for postfix |
| 13:49.25 | brunocesar | mercurus, its deleted but the same problem occurs =( |
| 13:49.30 | bob2 | jethro: yes, of course |
| 13:49.30 | jethro | spamd(8) is for any smtpd |
| 13:49.45 | jethro | anyways |
| 13:49.49 | mdh | bob2: actually funnily enough I took that uptime right before taking the machine down and installing Linux on it ;) |
| 13:49.50 | bob2 | jethro: I really really really doubt the time taken to handle each message is usefully quicker with spamd |
| 13:49.54 | bob2 | in fac, I know it's not |
| 13:49.58 | bob2 | mdh: haha |
| 13:50.02 | mercurus | brunocesar, tried mozplugger ? |
| 13:50.02 | jethro | free software is good as it provides different ways to do things |
| 13:50.13 | bob2 | sure |
| 13:50.21 | bob2 | but moving to openbsd for something so trivial is stupid |
| 13:50.21 | mdh | now the uptime is a couple of weeks :( (damn actewagl) |
| 13:50.40 | jethro | wow |
| 13:50.48 | brunocesar | mercurus, not yet, trying now |
| 13:50.50 | jethro | now that's a comment I wouldn't have made |
| 13:51.19 | jethro | bob2: and I can tell you it's faster on openbsd |
| 13:51.33 | jethro | bob2: had to repalce an openbsd mx, with a debian one |
| 13:51.41 | mercurus | hmm ... my printer is being very naughty indeed. |
| 13:52.12 | Pappa | how do i figure out if my time is utc? |
| 13:52.14 | jethro | bob2: and I really miss spamd(8) for the greylisting part for postgrey is not as flexible and quick |
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| 13:52.22 | Humbe | When you install debian, you're asked to give info about mail system. If your a satelite system, where your outgoing smtp is etc.. What packet can I reconfigure to do this again? |
| 13:52.45 | tarzeau | Humbe: exim(4) |
| 13:52.49 | tarzeau | Humbe: or install nullmailer |
| 13:52.51 | jm_ | that depends on which MTA it is, eximconfig for exim, exim4-config for exim4 |
| 13:53.12 | PerfDave | !configure exim |
| 13:53.12 | dpkg | extra, extra, read all about it, configure exim is /sbin/eximconfig in Woody; dpkg-reconfigure exim4-config in Sarge / Sid |
| 13:53.16 | Humbe | Oki.. I just tried exim4, but that didn't prompt me any.. I'll look for config :) |
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| 13:53.23 | jethro | jm_: does debian offer any other mta but exim when installing? |
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| 13:53.42 | jm_ | jethro: beats me, I don't remember when was the last time I installed Debian |
| 13:53.48 | tarzeau | jethro: i don't think so |
| 13:53.51 | jethro | jm_: aah maybe with manual package selection |
| 13:53.53 | PerfDave | jethro: Not easily. |
| 13:53.57 | valdyn | !info exim4 sarge |
| 13:54.13 | dpkg | exim4: (metapackage to ease exim MTA (v4) installation), section mail, is important. Version: 4.50-4 (sarge), Packaged size: 1 kB, Installed size: 32 kB |
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| 13:54.23 | jethro | PerfDave: thanks for the tip on synaptics and the c600 issue, I ll just try that and get rid of the external mouse ;) |
| 13:54.34 | asg | !info exim4-daemon-heavy |
| 13:54.37 | dpkg | exim4-daemon-heavy: (exim MTA (v4) daemon with extended features, including exiscan-acl), section mail, is optional. Version: 4.50-5 (sid), Packaged size: 408 kB, Installed size: 932 kB |
| 13:54.40 | anneliXli | I was wondeing where I do have to put msfontextract to install fonts like arial when I installed openoffice via a .deb? |
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| 13:54.48 | brunocesar | mercurus, i installed mozplugger, it is listed in about:plugins but the the same error happens with acroread |
| 13:54.58 | mercurus | what's the error ? |
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| 13:55.23 | PerfDave | jethro: Groovy. I had a bit of hassle getting external mice working as *well* as the trackpad. There seem to be some issues with PS/2 mice but it seems to work fine with USB mice. |
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| 13:56.01 | brunocesar | Could not launch Adobe Reader 7.0. Please make sure it exists in PATH variable in the environment. |
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| 13:56.41 | flosch | hi |
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| 13:57.15 | mercurus | brunocesar: if you've already been through the path shinanigans ... no idea ... |
| 13:57.25 | mercurus | echo $PATH and whereis acroread ? |
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| 13:57.38 | mercurus | what's wrong with xpdf or gpdf ? :P |
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| 13:57.48 | tarzeau | or ViewPDF.app |
| 13:57.54 | jethro | heh |
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| 13:58.40 | brunocesar | nothing wrong but i want the acroreader plugin with firefox, the v5 worked fine for me... and i like it |
| 13:58.52 | mercurus | fair enough |
| 13:58.54 | mercurus | echo $PATH and whereis acroread ? |
| 13:59.22 | brunocesar | d3v1l@Shinji:~$ echo $PATH |
| 13:59.23 | brunocesar | /usr/local/bin:/usr/bin:/bin:/usr/bin/X11:/usr/games:/usr/lib/Adobe/Acrobat7.0/bin/acroread |
| 14:00.07 | brunocesar | d3v1l@Shinji:~$ whereis acroread |
| 14:00.07 | brunocesar | acroread: /usr/bin/acroread /usr/lib/acroread /usr/share/man/man1/acroread.1.gz |
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| 14:02.27 | drac | brunocesar: /msg dpkg marillat, apt-get install acroread acroread-plugins, and it just works. and i told you this before? |
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| 14:02.57 | lorijho | where can one find experienced Debian users ? i am seeking small advice... |
| 14:03.04 | tarzeau | lorijho: just ask! |
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| 14:03.39 | jethro | !tell lorijho -about smart questions |
| 14:03.58 | brunocesar | drac, it havernt worked, ive installed acroread and acroread-plugins form marillat but when i try to open a pdf file from firefox it returns the path error =( |
| 14:04.02 | mdh | brunocesar: that last entry in your path is bogus |
| 14:04.21 | Pappa | you need a plugin to view pdf documets? |
| 14:04.30 | Pappa | documents* |
| 14:04.42 | Phu_Bhar | Hi folks, I'm trying to burn a new idstro with K3b. Problem is that K3b refuses to include a link to some place other than on the system or in the ISO image. Can anyone please help? |
| 14:04.44 | brunocesar | Pappa, i need to open pdf documents in mozilla |
| 14:04.45 | lorijho | i deleted /etc/pam.d/proftpd and /etc/init.d/proftpd... |
| 14:04.54 | lorijho | stupid, i know |
| 14:05.06 | lorijho | i'm looking for ways to restore those files |
| 14:05.16 | SlayerXP | lorijho: restore from your backup |
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| 14:05.36 | brunocesar | mdh, ok reseting $PATH |
| 14:05.41 | lorijho | it's a fresh server install and the proftpd package was not even configured |
| 14:05.42 | Pappa | huh? in my case, it works, and i've never touched the non-free section of packages. |
| 14:05.43 | valdyn | lorijho: you had modified those files? or just looking to get the default ones back? |
| 14:05.48 | mtnman | lorijho: if your filesystem is ext2/3 you can try to undelete with mc. |
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| 14:05.53 | lorijho | i want the default ones |
| 14:05.57 | brunocesar | d3v1l@Shinji:~$ echo $PATH |
| 14:05.57 | brunocesar | /usr/local/bin:/usr/bin:/bin:/usr/bin/X11:/usr/games |
| 14:05.57 | brunocesar | d3v1l@Shinji:~$ |
| 14:06.23 | lorijho | mc midnight commander ? |
| 14:06.24 | mtnman | lorijho: if you want to restore defaults, you can simply reinstall the package. |
| 14:06.28 | mdh | brunocesar: $PATH should contain directories, not files. |
| 14:06.29 | grigora | is there a way to log all the commands that a user types during a session? |
| 14:06.44 | valdyn | lorijho: purge the package that provides those files ( dpkg --purge --force-depends <package> ), and apt-get install it again |
| 14:06.45 | mdh | brunocesar: and in any case acroread is in /usr/bin which is in your $PATH |
| 14:06.52 | lorijho | therein lies the problem what packages include pam.d an init.d files ? |
| 14:06.53 | mtnman | lorijho: yes, mc is midnight commander. it has an ext2/3 undelte feature. |
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| 14:07.19 | brunocesar | mdh , yes look |
| 14:07.20 | valdyn | lorijho: you are looking for a specific file, not for all files in init.d |
| 14:07.21 | lorijho | i'll give dpkg --purge a try |
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| 14:07.23 | brunocesar | d3v1l@Shinji:~$ which acroread |
| 14:07.23 | brunocesar | /usr/bin/acroread |
| 14:07.25 | mtnman | grigora: if bash, there is a bash_history, iirc. |
| 14:07.33 | valdyn | !tell lorijho about search |
| 14:07.35 | babu | mtnman :can we undelete from ext3? |
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| 14:07.54 | valdyn | lorijho: i would guess proftpd or proftpd-common, but you can easily find out yourself |
| 14:07.56 | Phu_Bhar | grigora: type 'man script' - it records your terminal session |
| 14:07.56 | stew | babu: no |
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| 14:08.09 | mtnman | babu: i believe so. |
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| 14:08.22 | babu | mtnman : have you tried it |
| 14:08.51 | babu | mtnman: have you tried it |
| 14:08.58 | grigora | mtnman: Phu_Bhar: thanks, I was looking for a more "big brother" type logging |
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| 14:09.21 | Om | Has anyone else been having problems with the clock applet for Gnome? Mine refuses to accept my root password when I try and go to "Adjust Date and Time", and I've double and triple checked I typed the right password. |
| 14:09.23 | mtnman | grigora: yuck. |
| 14:09.24 | mdh | brunocesar: your problem is strange, installing the packages "simply works", its hard to say why its telling you that the path isn't found. |
| 14:09.24 | Phu_Bhar | grigora: (script also records all ESC sequences and control chars) |
| 14:09.40 | lorijho | dpkg --purge --force-depends proftpd DID THE TRICK |
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| 14:09.50 | lorijho | thanks to all who contributed |
| 14:09.52 | Om | I even tried setting the root pass to something without any special characters temporarily, no difference. |
| 14:09.54 | babu | mtnman: have you tried it |
| 14:09.57 | grigora | mtnman: I know, but our CTO wants to be able to do that in return for letting me use Linux |
| 14:10.09 | mdh | Om: it takes the gnome-panel authors so much time to gather everyone's root passwords and login to their machines and change their clocks ;) |
| 14:10.09 | valdyn | !date |
| 14:10.10 | dpkg | The current date is Mon Apr 18 14:10:11 2005 (UTC of course, this is *NIX) |
| 14:10.13 | mtnman | grigora: you are making a deal with the devil. |
| 14:10.16 | lorijho | i am new to debian, coming from a gentoo background |
| 14:10.19 | valdyn | !set date |
| 14:10.20 | brunocesar | mdh i think ill install firefox again what u think? |
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| 14:10.34 | sml | is there a way in mutt to say "strip attachment from email but save the body in the mbox" ? |
| 14:10.36 | Om | heh mdh |
| 14:10.49 | mtnman | lorijho: if you want to restore the default config for a package, you can reinstall the package. |
| 14:10.51 | pink1 | anyone able to help me with apm please? it turns the screen off but doesn't go to standby |
| 14:10.52 | sml | my mail archives are quite big and I would like to keep only the email and not the attachments. |
| 14:11.01 | grigora | mtnman: if that's what it takes to use Linux :) |
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| 14:11.14 | mdh | sml: can you hit 'v' and delete the attachment part? |
| 14:11.21 | PerfDave | sml: Automatically? Do it with procmail. Manually, you can save attachments to other locations and delete attachments within mutt. |
| 14:11.21 | mtnman | grigora: it would be a dealbreaker for me. |
| 14:11.24 | lorijho | reinstall did not restore /etc/init.d/proftpd and /etc/pam.d/proftpd |
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| 14:11.30 | witless | how do i get sounds working on freeciv? i read README.sound.gz but still have no fucking idea |
| 14:11.42 | Phu_Bhar | See ya |
| 14:11.45 | mtnman | lorjho: apt-get --purge remove foopackage. apt-get install foopackage. |
| 14:11.52 | sml | mdh: I know about "v" to view mime parts didn't realise you could remove attachments that's quite handy thanks. |
| 14:11.58 | lorijho | only after dpkg --purge --force-depends had to be executed first |
| 14:12.01 | babu | can i simply put a cd in and it be mounted automatically .. |
| 14:12.01 | valdyn | Om: I dont know about that bug, "/msg dpkg set the time" for the one true way |
| 14:12.18 | cplx | What do I type to enable dma with hdparm |
| 14:12.26 | schneiderj | How does I can configure my video card and monitor ? I have only access to the 800*600 resolution |
| 14:12.34 | valdyn | cplx: you dont do it |
| 14:12.39 | cplx | valdyn: why/ |
| 14:12.45 | sml | PerfDave: erm I would have to run procmail from the command line on my mboxes but yes that could be done. I was hoping that there would be a way of doing it straight from mutt though since you cant get to the "view attachment" screen and perform a tag action. |
| 14:12.46 | mtnman | schneiderj: dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xfree86 |
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| 14:13.22 | lorijho | Final words: mixing debian and gentoo in one environment works great |
| 14:13.24 | lorijho | bye |
| 14:13.27 | babu | can i simply put a cd in and it be mounted automatically .. |
| 14:13.41 | cplx | What do I type to enable dma with hdparm, anyone know? |
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| 14:13.45 | PerfDave | !tell babu -about repeat |
| 14:13.51 | PerfDave | cplx: man hdparm |
| 14:13.59 | schneiderj | mtnman : thanks § |
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| 14:14.05 | mtnman | dpkg tell babu about repeat. |
| 14:14.06 | cplx | .. |
| 14:14.10 | PerfDave | sml: Yeah, mutt can't do it on multiple messages automatically, just on a one by one basis. |
| 14:14.16 | mtnman | schneiderj: you are most welcome. |
| 14:14.30 | valdyn | cplx: because its to dangerous to just use it cluelessly |
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| 14:14.32 | skip_ | stupid question...is there any need to 'defrag' my file system like I used to do in Windoze? |
| 14:14.53 | mtnman | skip_: the common thinking is that ext2/3 does not need to be defragged. |
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| 14:15.11 | babu | mtnman: why is that so |
| 14:15.15 | valdyn | skip_: not really |
| 14:15.20 | skip_ | mtnman: what's the theory behind that? |
| 14:15.50 | mtnman | skip: the theory is that ext2/3 doesn't get very fragmented in the first place. |
| 14:15.54 | S4nD3r_ | Hi, I need a help to use my gnome box. Every time I loggin, comes the message that theres a panel, then will exit. I dont have panel. I delete the .gnom* and .gconf* How solve it.. I tried another user count, it works good, just for my loggin this is broken |
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| 14:16.34 | schneiderj | I have a question from the config pannel : my video card is on AGP what I have to answer (not ISA:1 I think) |
| 14:16.40 | valdyn | skip_: modern filesystems pay attention to avoid fragmentation, which old ones like fat(32) do not |
| 14:16.52 | mdh | sml: you could macro it and tag-command, but the trouble is the attachment to delete could be completely different on every message |
| 14:17.07 | mtnman | schneiderj: i believe you only need to specify if you have more than one agp card. |
| 14:17.07 | nydust | on a server are woody the best? |
| 14:17.25 | skip_ | valdyn: the only defrag for Linux that I'm aware of is 'defrag' (strangely enough). Are there any others worth a mention? |
| 14:17.43 | sml | mdh: yeah i know. i'll just go through manually |
| 14:17.53 | valdyn | skip_: the best way to defrag is to copy all files to a new partition |
| 14:17.57 | sml | skip_: you dont need to defrag ext2 and ext3 |
| 14:18.09 | sml | oops valdyn already said that |
| 14:18.11 | valdyn | skip_: but again, its pretty useless |
| 14:18.20 | schneiderj | So I can live it free ? |
| 14:18.35 | mtnman | schneiderj: i have always left it blank. |
| 14:18.36 | skip_ | right then, I get the picture...I don't need to defrag! |
| 14:18.41 | skip_ | thanks ppl |
| 14:18.48 | mtnman | skip_: you catch on quickly! |
| 14:19.11 | valdyn | skip_: theres no need for your filesystem to fragment at all, as long as theres plenty free space |
| 14:19.37 | valdyn | skip_: if there isnt, then it has to fragment. |
| 14:19.50 | skip_ | valdyn: ok, no probs. |
| 14:19.54 | pink1 | Anyone able to help me with apm please? It turns the screen off but doesn't go to standby. |
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| 14:20.23 | babu | pink1 : ur chipset? |
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| 14:20.27 | valdyn | pink1: on a notebook? |
| 14:20.37 | pink1 | Toshibalaptop |
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| 14:20.49 | valdyn | !laptops |
| 14:20.49 | dpkg | All there is worth knowing about linux and laptops can be found at http://www.linux-laptop.net/ and http://tuxmobil.org or also ask me about 'acpi' and 'suspend', or see the debian-laptop mailing list at http://lists.debian.org/ |
| 14:21.14 | valdyn | pink1: use the howto specifically for your model.. |
| 14:21.15 | babu | is sarge going to be freezed soon/ |
| 14:21.15 | pink1 | thanks valdyn - been there, read that |
| 14:21.26 | pink1 | no help to me |
| 14:21.37 | nydust | can i run debian sarge with apache 1.3? |
| 14:21.40 | mtnman | pink1: how about man apm? |
| 14:21.43 | pink1 | it was working fien till I did the recent update' |
| 14:21.52 | pink1 | readn man apm too :-) |
| 14:21.58 | PerfDave | nydust: Yes |
| 14:22.01 | PerfDave | !info apache sarge |
| 14:22.03 | dpkg | apache: (versatile, high-performance HTTP server), section web, is optional. Version: 1.3.33-4 (sarge), Packaged size: 373 kB, Installed size: 696 kB |
| 14:22.06 | valdyn | nydust: "/msg dpkg info apache sarge" |
| 14:22.21 | mtnman | pink1: if you claim to have read docs for apm and can't figure that one out, i would guess you didn't read very carfully. |
| 14:23.08 | pink1 | Hmmm - - it tries to go to standby, but seems to hang after switching the screen off |
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| 14:23.10 | nydust | but are there any bugs with apache ssl? |
| 14:23.26 | valdyn | !tell nydust about bts |
| 14:23.47 | valdyn | nydust: is _anything_ bug free? |
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| 14:24.09 | nydust | valdyn, thats true |
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| 14:24.24 | bykte | gtg see ya |
| 14:24.30 | pink1 | mtnman: this is not a simple "read the man page and fix it". If it waas I wouldn;t be here :-) |
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| 14:24.41 | tug | I know x.org has built in hardware acc for Radeon 7500 but has anyone had any experience running X on a Mobility radeon 7500 |
| 14:25.13 | MaxeyPad | I'd like to totally remove the a package on my debian system (snort-mysql) and start over from scratch however. I removed the package with apt-get remove and then deleted the files in /etc/snort/, but now when I try to reinstall snort it errors because files in that dir do not exist. Is there a way to totally reinstall from scratch? |
| 14:25.14 | valdyn | pink1: whatever you use for apm ( i never used apm myself ), will certainly provide logs / debug messages, look at them |
| 14:25.14 | greycat | tug: /j #ati or /j #xorg or /j #xfree86 |
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| 14:25.33 | greycat | MaxeyPad: --purge |
| 14:25.37 | pink1 | valdyn - any idea where those logs might be? |
| 14:25.54 | MaxeyPad | thanks :) |
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| 14:26.32 | mtnman | pink1: /var/log, presumably. |
| 14:26.43 | Studiosus | hi, all! what is ETA for postgresql-8 packages for transferring from 'experimental' go to 'unstable'? |
| 14:26.50 | valdyn | pink1: i dont use apm, so.. no |
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| 14:27.20 | mtnman | pink1: i would suggest posting to the debian-laptop mailing list. |
| 14:27.28 | valdyn | Studiosus: maybe after sarge release, maybe the maintainer(s) have something to say about it |
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| 14:27.54 | pink1 | no logs for apm in /var/logs |
| 14:28.04 | Studiosus | nobody knows when 'sarge' release will be shipped... %) |
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| 14:28.39 | valdyn | !policy |
| 14:28.39 | dpkg | hmm... policy is available at http://www.debian.org/doc/debian-policy/, the manual that describes how debian packages should and must interact with the debian system. see best practices |
| 14:28.45 | Studiosus | msg dpkg d-i |
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| 14:30.06 | Covener | Eek, my gtk1 apps have lines drawn between text list elements, anyone know the .gtkrc mojo to kill that? |
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| 14:31.43 | saabin | help: awk '{$1=$2=$3=$4=$5=$6=$7""; print $0}' multiplies $7 column 7 times and follows with the rest if the line |
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| 14:32.09 | beyond | hi all !!! can anyone tell me if there is a good library to develop reports which allow me export the report to many file types ? such pdf, html, csv, etc... |
| 14:32.41 | Goshawk | i've problem with my user on alioth, what do i do? |
| 14:32.52 | saabin | help: awk '{$1=$2=$3=$4=$5=$6=$7""; print $0}' multiplies $7 column 7 times and follows with the rest if the line. I need only the rest of the line following column 7 |
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| 14:33.12 | ffaker | sound problem: when I try to start GNOME mixer I get: "Sorry, no mixer elements and/or devices found". Plus sound juicer does not start |
| 14:33.16 | terr | can someone who is running sarge do a "ps fax" and tell me if there is a shit load of <defunct> processes? |
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| 14:33.46 | valdyn | ffaker: what gnome mixer? gnome-volume-manager ? |
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| 14:34.01 | brunocesar | mdh, ok ive made some progress here... i removed nppdf.so manually and re-installed the mozilla-acroread package, now it doesnt show the error message |
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| 14:34.18 | ffaker | valdyn: gnome-volume-control |
| 14:34.19 | valdyn | ffaker: you can type that in a shell to find out if it is.. |
| 14:34.28 | brunocesar | mdh, but it not show the pdf file, only a blank screen |
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| 14:34.46 | ezhdeha | can anyone kindly recommend a good mailing list script - like the ones that are used on gnome.org ? |
| 14:34.53 | valdyn | ffaker: sound works at all otherwise? |
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| 14:35.19 | ffaker | yea but only one app at a time |
| 14:35.26 | ffaker | no sounds server |
| 14:35.47 | valdyn | ffaker: which app(s) work? |
| 14:36.01 | ffaker | xmms, grip, xine |
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| 14:37.15 | ffaker | does anyone know if GRIP can be configured to automatically add track numbers to the ID3 tags of the OGGs i encode with it? My Rio needs them for album order |
| 14:37.21 | saabin | some help me here |
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| 14:37.33 | ffaker | valdyn: also GOM |
| 14:37.35 | daffy-pkf | re |
| 14:37.45 | valdyn | ffaker: try apt-get install "gstreamer0.8-oss" |
| 14:37.56 | ffaker | i'm using ALSA thou |
| 14:38.03 | saabin | I am repeating the quention again. Tell me what I am doing wrong |
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| 14:38.10 | saabin | help: awk '{$1=$2=$3=$4=$5=$6=$7""; print $0}' multiplies $7 column 7 times and follows with the rest if the line. I need only the rest of the line following column 7 |
| 14:38.17 | ffaker | trying... |
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| 14:38.25 | tarzeau | saabin: you're missing a = |
| 14:38.32 | valdyn | ffaker: try apt-get install gstreamer0.8-oss gstreamer0.8-alsa |
| 14:38.36 | valdyn | ffaker: install those 2 |
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| 14:39.26 | greycat | saabin: aren't you missing another = right before the "" ? |
| 14:39.37 | elnovicio | alo |
| 14:39.38 | ffaker | valdyn: OK done, but didn't help |
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| 14:39.49 | terr | can someone who is running sarge do a "ps fax" and tell me if there is a shit load of <defunct> processes? |
| 14:39.54 | valdyn | ffaker: restart your gnome-volume-control |
| 14:40.05 | tarzeau | terr: no there isn't |
| 14:40.15 | elnovicio | soo, debian is becoming freeBSD ? |
| 14:40.24 | tarzeau | terr: you must be running shit software |
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| 14:40.33 | tarzeau | terr: or having shit users |
| 14:40.35 | greycat | elnovicio: yes. it's going to be renamed DebBSD. |
| 14:40.42 | saabin | tarzeau thank you, that was it. |
| 14:40.46 | ffaker | valdyn: yea done. still aint working |
| 14:40.48 | ffaker | :( |
| 14:40.52 | tarzeau | elnovicio: who says that? |
| 14:41.01 | valdyn | ffaker: what "aint working" |
| 14:41.06 | terr | tarzeau: there are 1000's in my machine. kpdf, eog, privoxy, artsd, xmms |
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| 14:41.19 | terr | tarzeau: also firefox |
| 14:41.21 | ffaker | valdyn: gnome-volume-control will still not start |
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| 14:41.25 | tarzeau | terr: gaaa i told you: shit software: kpdf, artsd, xmms |
| 14:41.27 | elnovicio | it says everywhere in the news http://www.nl.debian.org/ports/kfreebsd-gnu/ |
| 14:41.40 | Trewas | terr: I have seen that too on sarge, they were mostly ssh and ggv (gnome-gv) |
| 14:41.42 | tarzeau | ffaker: try volumecontrol.app |
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| 14:42.33 | terr | Trewas: these are zombie processes. The child has died and the parent has not wait()ed the child so it stays in the process table. I wonder how big the table is and what happens if it fills up. |
| 14:42.35 | valdyn | !alsa 2.6 |
| 14:42.35 | dpkg | well, alsa 2.6 is On Sarge, to use ALSA, ensure you have discover1 1.7.2 or higher, then apt-get install alsa-base alsa-utils. You may need to run alsaconf too. No more faffing about with OSS modules. Remember to tell your applications and libraries to use alsa, to get any benefit. |
| 14:42.44 | valdyn | ffaker: all above done ^^^ ? |
| 14:42.48 | elnovicio | debianBSD |
| 14:42.57 | ffaker | yea |
| 14:43.01 | elnovicio | soo means, ill need to reinstall again?? |
| 14:43.19 | ffaker | oh hang on... i missed one thing... |
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| 14:43.31 | greycat | elnovicio: are you done trolling now? |
| 14:43.33 | abel_ | hi all |
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| 14:43.52 | tarzeau | elnovicio: try #gnu-kbsd |
| 14:44.06 | jethro | haha |
| 14:44.11 | jethro | debian is becoming freebsd no kidding |
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| 14:44.22 | streuner | wtf? |
| 14:44.25 | tarzeau | jethro: no it's not. but it's also giving you the choice of freebsd |
| 14:44.31 | tarzeau | streuner: bunch of idiots |
| 14:44.34 | streuner | Don't make such jokes |
| 14:44.34 | jethro | tarzeau: well I know that |
| 14:44.42 | tarzeau | jethro: i know you do |
| 14:44.44 | jethro | was laughing at elnovicio's comment |
| 14:44.46 | tarzeau | jethro: i wasn't meaning you |
| 14:44.59 | jethro | I even tried it! |
| 14:45.03 | ffaker | valdyn: yes - except I'm not sure how to tell GNOME to use ALSA |
| 14:45.11 | tarzeau | jethro: liked it? which version(s)? |
| 14:45.19 | karsten | Shell / awk / sed type problem. I've got a list of ~1-2k patterns I'd like to check against, and a string of ~1 - dozen or so values which I'd like to screen out any values which *are* in the 1-2k values. Putting 1.4k values into a file and running 'grep -vf <filename>' takes ~30 - 90 seconds. |
| 14:45.27 | jethro | was lessaof a pain in the ass then using the HURD some ages ago |
| 14:45.27 | lorijho | i have another question about proftpd, dpkg-reconfigured it and set it to inetd mode, /etc/init.d/proftpd start | stop doesn't launch proftpd at all... any thoughts about this from you guys ?? |
| 14:45.28 | valdyn | ffaker: gnome has no consistent audio interface |
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| 14:45.52 | Debian\pwns | Hey how do i extract a tar.gz to a certain folder ?æ |
| 14:45.53 | valdyn | ffaker: you dont really want to use "gnome audio" kill esd and disable it anyway |
| 14:45.54 | tarzeau | gnome doesn't even have a consistent graphics interface |
| 14:45.55 | karsten | Grepping the file's ~0.02s. How to get rid of patterns? This is a gawdawful shell script written by an incompetent programmer (me). |
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| 14:46.10 | jethro | tarzeau: I tried it when there was no kfreebsd-* packages in sid, taht was like 3 4 months ago, and was work in progress :) |
| 14:46.11 | Covener | lorijho: it's probably a noop when it's inetd. pkill -HUP inetd? |
| 14:46.16 | karsten | Debian\pwns: cd <folder>; tar xzvf <path to tarball>/<tarfile> |
| 14:46.26 | karsten | Debian\pwns: Alternately, you can pipe the output. |
| 14:46.28 | tarzeau | jethro: was resolving dns names easily possible or not? |
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| 14:46.36 | ffaker | yea esd is not running |
| 14:46.38 | Debian\pwns | cheers |
| 14:46.43 | valdyn | ffaker: gnome-volume-control --gst-debug=GST_AUTOPLUG:5,GST_ELEMENT_*:3 |
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| 14:46.49 | jethro | tarzeau: and I d love to get a bsd kernel and features like pf, so yes, i dlove to see that project live |
| 14:46.56 | karsten | Debian\pwns: cat <tarfile> | ( cd <folder>; tar xzvf - ) |
| 14:47.12 | tarzeau | jethro: i'd love to see the bsd kernel too, to get rid of some linux annoyances |
| 14:47.12 | ffaker | valdyn: that gives the same result |
| 14:47.23 | tarzeau | jethro: but then there'd still be the bsd annoyances |
| 14:47.23 | valdyn | ffaker: that gives debugging output |
| 14:47.38 | tarzeau | jethro: i'll be happy with a decent microkernel (far future) |
| 14:47.41 | ffaker | valdyn: what to a file? |
| 14:47.51 | valdyn | ffaker: into your terminal |
| 14:47.55 | jethro | tarzeau: as for the dns issues I got some :) |
| 14:47.57 | ffaker | not to mine! |
| 14:48.00 | ffaker | weird |
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| 14:48.24 | lorijho | Covener: no pkill -HUP inetd did not solve it |
| 14:48.47 | valdyn | ffaker: "strace gnome-volume-control" |
| 14:48.50 | manitu | karstyn: can you elaborate? which grep takes 0.02 sec? |
| 14:49.02 | valdyn | !paster |
| 14:49.02 | dpkg | Instead of pasting in #debian or #flood, use paster, your friendly paste bot. Visit http://channels.debian.net/paste then select #debian, and paste away. |
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| 14:49.57 | Teemu_K | there is pastebin.com too :] |
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| 14:50.24 | elnovicio | really read this one: http://translate.google.com/translate?u=http%3A%2F%2Fdiariored.com%2Fblog%2F001093.php&langpair=es%7Cen&hl=es&ie=UTF-8&oe=UTF-8&prev=%2Flanguage_tools |
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| 14:50.49 | ffaker | valdyn: OK, now I have more stuff in my terminal than it can remember. what am I looking for? |
| 14:51.15 | ffaker | does anyone know if GRIP can be configured to automatically add track numbers to the ID3 tags of the OGGs i encode with it? My Rio needs them for album order |
| 14:51.31 | jethro | elnovicio: Iread debian now has a distro based on the freebsd kernel, not debian is becoming freebsd |
| 14:51.42 | valdyn | ffaker: paste it like dpkg said or use pastebin |
| 14:51.48 | jethro | elnovicio: you should know that linux and freebsd are not the only kernels your can use with a debian system |
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| 14:52.17 | pingouin_ | is it normal to have some surf slow down while i uping a file to a friends ftp ? browsing the net turn more slowly. Or it's a Network card's parameter that is not properly set ? |
| 14:52.18 | elnovicio | oh |
| 14:52.23 | elnovicio | must be the wiskey |
| 14:52.59 | jethro | is a kernel also called a nucleus? |
| 14:53.09 | jethro | I never read that before |
| 14:53.20 | sunrise | hi all |
| 14:53.22 | zignig | jethro: translation weirdness. |
| 14:53.29 | jethro | aight |
| 14:53.33 | sunrise | looking for a console tool to determine keyboard scancodes |
| 14:53.36 | paster | "ffaker" at 80.229.153.193 pasted "partial strace output from gnome-volume-control" (1555 lines) at http://channels.debian.net/paste/31 |
| 14:53.52 | lorijho | i have another question about proftpd, dpkg-reconfigured it and set it to inetd mode, /etc/init.d/proftpd start | stop doesn't launch proftpd at all... any thoughts about this from you guys ?? |
| 14:53.55 | greycat | sunrise: to use how? |
| 14:54.01 | Pappa | pingouin_: perfectly normal. you may look into "shaping" your traffic |
| 14:54.08 | resiak | lorijho: The whole point of inetd mode is that it doesn't start like that. |
| 14:54.14 | greycat | pingouin_: lartc.org |
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| 14:54.29 | manitu | sunrise: try showkey from console-tools |
| 14:54.32 | sunrise | to start an application |
| 14:54.33 | Pappa | (if you shape it, or "flow-control" it, it will run more smoothly and not interrupt other traffic too much) |
| 14:54.40 | lorijho | ok that's confusing |
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| 14:54.49 | Pathfinder | how to configure boot loader in knoppix 3.8.1?? |
| 14:54.59 | PerfDave | Pathfinder: #knoppix |
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| 14:55.32 | kazopu | hello |
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| 14:55.40 | ffaker | valdyn: OK pasted it |
| 14:55.48 | sunrise | manitu, thx :) |
| 14:55.50 | roods | how do you remove newline using sed, sed 's/\n//g' isn't working |
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| 14:56.01 | kazopu | Which Linux version is best? |
| 14:56.11 | greycat | kazopu: Debian. |
| 14:56.14 | CompBrain | lol |
| 14:56.14 | anhi | n c |
| 14:56.17 | Ronin | well seeing as we're #debian |
| 14:56.21 | CompBrain | nice response greycat |
| 14:56.26 | kazopu | what the |
| 14:56.29 | mdh | kazopu: 2.6.8.1 |
| 14:56.35 | kazopu | ????? |
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| 14:56.45 | PerfDave | roods: "perl -pe 'chomp' file" shold help. |
| 14:56.45 | greycat | !d-i kazopu |
| 14:56.46 | dpkg | kazopu, you want to go to http://www.debian.org/devel/debian-installer/ - for your own good, and everyone else's. |
| 14:57.01 | PerfDave | kazopu: Ask a more meaningful question, you may get a more meaningful answer. |
| 14:57.01 | greycat | roods: tr -d '\n' |
| 14:57.04 | PerfDave | 2.4.27! |
| 14:57.15 | PitchForkLinux | can anyone tell me how to set kdm to allow root login |
| 14:57.20 | roods | greycat, just curious is there a reason why you can't use sed? |
| 14:57.24 | greycat | PitchForkLinux: why in the HELL would you want that? |
| 14:57.27 | Ronin | PitchForkLinux: why? thats a bad thing |
| 14:57.30 | elnovicio | ok bye my dear comunists |
| 14:57.33 | kazopu | I use Knoppix, i'm new on Linux. |
| 14:57.37 | greycat | roods: because you can't. |
| 14:57.45 | Ronin | comunists? we're communists now? |
| 14:57.52 | greycat | roods: or rather, the invocation is system specific and arcane and ugly as fuck-all. don't bother. |
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| 14:57.58 | PerfDave | PitchForkLinux: You probably don't want to do that. |
| 14:58.03 | PitchForkLinux | cause I don't know how to edit (graphically) my etc/apt/sources.list |
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| 14:58.09 | kazopu | Any hacker out there? |
| 14:58.10 | PerfDave | kazopu: If you're using Knoppix, support is over at #knoppix |
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| 14:58.15 | greycat | PitchForkLinux: /msg dpkg run stuff as root |
| 14:58.18 | roods | greycat, you mean sed is dead? |
| 14:58.29 | greycat | roods: no, JUST DON'T FUCKING USE SED ON NEWLINES. OK? |
| 14:58.35 | greycat | My God. |
| 14:58.41 | roods | greycat, ok just asking |
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| 14:58.45 | caphuso | actually you can use sed, it just isn't quite straight forward |
| 14:58.45 | PitchForkLinux | so I log in with root and then i can edit the sources list |
| 14:58.50 | PerfDave | PitchForkLinux: You can change kdm settings in the KDE control centre. |
| 14:58.54 | greycat | PitchForkLinux: NO! |
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| 14:59.02 | greycat | PitchForkLinux: NEVER login as root. Su to root and then edit the file. |
| 14:59.03 | PerfDave | PitchForkLinux: That's a really bad, dumb, stupid and wrong way to do things. |
| 14:59.06 | kazopu | ANY HACKER OUT THERE???? |
| 14:59.08 | Ronin | PitchForkLinux: just open a terminal as your user and use su |
| 14:59.11 | greycat | kazopu: go away. |
| 14:59.12 | valdyn | ffaker: try if alsamixer works |
| 14:59.17 | Ronin | kazopu: why you yelling? |
| 14:59.19 | siropel | kazopu: we all are |
| 14:59.21 | saabin | How to join two variables in ksh? |
| 14:59.26 | greycat | saabin: foo=$a$b |
| 14:59.31 | PitchForkLinux | ok. then what. what graphical editor can I start up |
| 14:59.37 | greycat | PitchForkLinux: just use nano -w, fool. |
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| 14:59.38 | PerfDave | PitchForkLinux: Any you like |
| 14:59.38 | kazopu | No one is answering me |
| 14:59.46 | greycat | why the fuck would you need a GUI editor for a 5 line text file? |
| 14:59.52 | sml | kazopu: one person answered you. |
| 14:59.55 | greycat | kazopu: because we don't like you. now go away. |
| 14:59.59 | Ronin | kazopu: sure they have, they said to go to #knoppix if you're running knoppix |
| 15:00.02 | sml | greycat: lol |
| 15:00.03 | kazopu | Fuck you!!! |
| 15:00.06 | PitchForkLinux | cause I don't know how to use vi |
| 15:00.10 | greycat | PitchForkLinux: nano -w |
| 15:00.11 | PerfDave | PitchForkLinux: Or use the "System -> Run as different" user applet |
| 15:00.12 | ffaker | valdyn: yea it works fine |
| 15:00.15 | Ronin | funny how they all know the swear words |
| 15:00.22 | kazopu | Fuck you greycat |
| 15:00.28 | PerfDave | PitchForkLinux: You don't have to use vi, you can use *whatever* editor you like as root, without logging in to X as root. |
| 15:00.29 | saabin | greycat: thank you |
| 15:00.35 | Ronin | kazopu: ya that will definatly get help |
| 15:00.37 | PitchForkLinux | thanks guys |
| 15:00.48 | valdyn | ffaker: this is some issue with gstreamer, im not sure what you may be missing |
| 15:00.58 | ffaker | hmmm |
| 15:01.03 | kazopu | Fuck to all of you fuckers and by... forever!!!! |
| 15:01.07 | greycat | good riddance. |
| 15:01.15 | jethro | !lart kazopu |
| 15:01.18 | CPU_Angel | yay |
| 15:01.20 | Ronin | it a full moon again? the wankers seem to be on in force |
| 15:01.25 | jethro | !sing monday |
| 15:01.26 | Zibar | i try to run make xconfig, but system says it lacks QT development package .... |
| 15:01.26 | dpkg | And school's out early and soon we'll be learning / The lesson today is how to die |
| 15:01.28 | valdyn | ffaker: "sudo apt-get install gstreamer0.8-plugins" should pull everything you need ( and more ) |
| 15:01.30 | greycat | svr1a:~$ /usr/games/pom |
| 15:01.30 | greycat | The Moon is Waxing Gibbous (69% of Full) |
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| 15:01.40 | valdyn | ffaker: well, skip the sudo, probably |
| 15:02.30 | ffaker | valdyn: cool. trying that now |
| 15:02.42 | ffaker | valdyn: will take about 5 mins |
| 15:02.46 | ffaker | thanks |
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| 15:03.04 | tarzeau | ahhh i haven't missed anything |
| 15:03.05 | valdyn | ffaker: i dont know whats wrong.. this may not help |
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| 15:03.19 | PerfDave | !praise ifrename |
| 15:03.25 | ffaker | valdyn - worth a try |
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| 15:03.47 | valdyn | ffaker: you are in the audio group right? ( and didnt chmod /dev/dspX ) |
| 15:04.01 | A-z-i-z | hello... is there a debian package for MPlayer ? |
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| 15:04.10 | tarzeau | A-z-i-z: yes |
| 15:04.10 | WolfCub | Yeah there is. |
| 15:04.12 | jethro | !tell A-z-i-z -about marillat |
| 15:04.14 | valdyn | !tell A-z-i-z about marillat |
| 15:04.18 | Zibar | so i need qt - can anyone tell me how i find out what that deb packages is called (besides google) ? |
| 15:04.25 | valdyn | !loose valdyn |
| 15:04.26 | dpkg | You lose valdyn! [and valdyn can't spell, either.] |
| 15:04.27 | tarzeau | A-z-i-z: there's also one in the debian new queue |
| 15:04.28 | jethro | :) |
| 15:04.31 | greycat | Zibar: apt-cache search -- lib qt -dev |
| 15:04.36 | Zibar | thank you |
| 15:04.43 | greycat | we lost valdyn!!! |
| 15:04.49 | greycat | !find valdyn |
| 15:04.56 | tarzeau | A-z-i-z: http://tonelli.sns.it/pub/mplayer/sarge |
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| 15:05.13 | A-z-i-z | Thanks alot |
| 15:05.19 | dpkg | Debian Package/File/Desc Search of 'valdyn' returned no results. |
| 15:05.30 | greycat | he's gone forever |
| 15:06.11 | ffaker | valdyn: gst-compprep-0.8: relocation error: /usr/lib/gstreamer-0.8/libgstvorbis.so: undefined symbol: gst_tag_register_musicbrainz_tags |
| 15:06.14 | jethro | tarzeau: is this another unofficial mplayer source? |
| 15:06.26 | tarzeau | jethro: no this is in the debian new queue |
| 15:06.27 | blackish | I have an i386 chroot installed, and uname is reporting x86_64, is there away to override this (i.e. override uname) |
| 15:06.33 | ffaker | most of the installed plugins give that error upon setup |
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| 15:06.42 | tarzeau | jethro: it might get an official debian package (or not) |
| 15:06.42 | greycat | blackish: no, the kernel is the kernel. |
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| 15:06.53 | valdyn | ffaker: theres your broken gstreamer then |
| 15:06.58 | ffaker | vorbis is not playing well with gstreamer for some reason |
| 15:06.59 | jethro | tarzeau: weren't there licensing issues? |
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| 15:07.04 | tarzeau | jethro: of what? |
| 15:07.19 | tarzeau | jethro: there's ffmpeg, mplayer, codecs and fonts |
| 15:07.22 | arturaz | is there any way to rebuild only modules within kernel with make-kpkg (same as 'make modules'). e.g. if i add one module and i don't need to recompile kernel, why do i have spend additional 20 mins on that? |
| 15:07.27 | jethro | tarzeau: with mplayer and codecs, preventing it from being in debian |
| 15:07.34 | tarzeau | jethro: mplayer source is gpl |
| 15:07.35 | PerfDave | blackish: No, if you're running a x86_64 kernel with an i386 chroot, you'd expect it to report x86_64 |
| 15:07.40 | valdyn | ffaker: no gstreamer based application should work, gnome-volume-control and your ripping software probably too are gstreamer based |
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| 15:07.53 | tarzeau | jethro: codecs without sources are from windows (mostly) they are not in that package |
| 15:07.55 | jethro | tarzeau: I even recall the mplayer team asking one not to do binray distribution, but that might ve changed since then. |
| 15:08.01 | jethro | I recall them being rather mad at marillat :) |
| 15:08.10 | valdyn | ffaker: oh, it works fine for me, not sure why you get linking errors |
| 15:08.11 | tarzeau | jethro: that's long long ago |
| 15:08.16 | ffaker | valdyn: i see. so, what do i just have to wait for the unstable gstreamer packages to be fixed? |
| 15:08.18 | valdyn | ffaker: running sid? |
| 15:08.20 | jethro | tarzeau: so the only licensing issue was with w32codecs? |
| 15:08.22 | ffaker | yea |
| 15:08.33 | tarzeau | jethro: i don't remember. but i'm a big fan since i hear marillat sponsors gnustep packages |
| 15:08.34 | valdyn | ffaker: probably then yes |
| 15:08.40 | jethro | heh |
| 15:08.41 | tarzeau | jethro: (fan of marillat) |
| 15:08.43 | schneiderj | video driver : which one does I have to chose : Linux x86_64 or Linux x86 ? |
| 15:08.47 | jethro | got the point :) |
| 15:08.51 | Debian\pwns | how can i find out what program is using a certain port ?æ |
| 15:08.58 | PerfDave | schneiderj: What video driver are you talking about? |
| 15:09.00 | valdyn | !tell ffaker about bts |
| 15:09.02 | PerfDave | Debian\pwns: netstat |
| 15:09.04 | greycat | Debian\pwns: lsof -i |
| 15:09.08 | tarzeau | jethro: i think so. |
| 15:09.14 | schneiderj | the driver for a radeon 9550 |
| 15:09.14 | Debian\pwns | ta |
| 15:09.16 | valdyn | ffaker: i cant tell if you have broken files for whatever reason or gstreamer in sid is broken |
| 15:09.35 | ffaker | valdyn: well thanks loads for trying to help anyway. it's a bit annoying cos it's been like that for a while |
| 15:09.41 | ffaker | valdyn - ta for that |
| 15:09.46 | WolfCub | Schneiderj: are you running 64 bit or 32 bit debian? |
| 15:09.52 | valdyn | ffaker: so maybe try reinstalling all gstreamer packages |
| 15:10.01 | saabin | in script can I use eval to execute a command with variables? |
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| 15:10.18 | PerfDave | schneiderj: /msg dpkg radeon drivers |
| 15:10.18 | Richboxbob | Is there a command that would launch a process, but prevent it from ever using more than 50% cpu? |
| 15:10.23 | schneiderj | How does I know that it is a kernel 2.6.8 but I don't no more ... |
| 15:10.37 | PerfDave | schneiderj: uname -a |
| 15:10.39 | WolfCub | <PROTECTED> |
| 15:10.54 | Pappa | schneiderj: do you have a athlon 64 processor? if not, go with x86 |
| 15:10.57 | PitchForkLinux | greycat is the apt command to just update all my system to most current software apt-get install update? |
| 15:10.57 | Debian\pwns | erm how can i kill psybc ?æ |
| 15:11.09 | greycat | PitchForkLinux: no. |
| 15:11.13 | ffaker | valdyn - what you mean like apt-gere remove --purge <everything gstreamer related> then reinstall? |
| 15:11.15 | WolfCub | <PROTECTED> |
| 15:11.15 | PerfDave | Debian\pwns: man kill, man killall |
| 15:11.16 | greycat | Richboxbob: no |
| 15:11.27 | Debian\pwns | ta |
| 15:11.33 | schneiderj | it is 2.6.8-386 |
| 15:11.46 | PerfDave | schneiderj: Then you're running 32-bit Debian. |
| 15:11.48 | jethro | PitchForkLinux: no but the command you should use is man apt-get |
| 15:11.48 | WolfCub | Ok then you get the x86 driver. |
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| 15:12.20 | schneiderj | OK thank, now I get it :) |
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| 15:12.27 | valdyn | !remove gstreamer |
| 15:12.30 | PitchForkLinux | thanks jethro.. your a reaaaaaaaaaal friendly hillbilly.... |
| 15:12.39 | jethro | !moron PitchForkLinux |
| 15:12.39 | dpkg | PitchForkLinux: You are moron #29 |
| 15:12.48 | WolfCub | Rofl. |
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| 15:12.57 | valdyn | ffaker: something like removing one package that all gstreamer packages depend on |
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| 15:13.34 | spiekey | hello! |
| 15:13.39 | valdyn | ffaker: like ( maybe ) apt-get remove libgstreamer0.8-0 ( you will notice if or which dependencies get removed too. |
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| 15:13.58 | spiekey | is there a atheros package for my pcmcia orinoco card? |
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| 15:14.22 | schneiderj | one more question : how does I know the version of XFree86 ? |
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| 15:14.33 | greycat | schneiderj: xdpyinfo |
| 15:14.39 | WolfCub | Schneiderj: you are running XFree86 4.3 |
| 15:14.45 | pder | I TRY THE DEBAIN AND IT IS CRAP |
| 15:14.54 | greycat | pder: try Debian next time. |
| 15:15.09 | valdyn | pder: /j #winxp, tell them |
| 15:15.13 | pder | greycat: thanks, I haven't tried Debian yet actually |
| 15:15.20 | ffaker | valdyn, ok trying that |
| 15:15.30 | schneiderj | Thanks !! |
| 15:15.31 | Zibar | how does 2.6.8 handle HyperThreading ? |
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| 15:15.55 | WolfCub | HT is supported by 2.6.8 |
| 15:15.59 | WolfCub | Use the SMP kernel. |
| 15:16.05 | Zibar | should i include multi processor functions in the kernel when i have a ht cpu ? |
| 15:16.13 | Zibar | smp ? |
| 15:16.14 | pder | I TRY THE DEBIAN AND IT IS GOOD |
| 15:16.21 | js | great |
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| 15:16.38 | RichiH | now try the nocaps |
| 15:16.38 | Markrian | pder, wtf? |
| 15:16.40 | valdyn | Zibar: use smp and there should be another option called smt, which is for ht |
| 15:16.40 | tarzeau | pder: can you stop being an idiot? |
| 15:16.46 | appaji | Zibar: compile an SMP kernel. |
| 15:16.48 | mdh | pder, next, you can try the caps lock key. It's *very* good |
| 15:16.56 | Zibar | ok |
| 15:17.19 | camT | hello, i got a specific question. i got a linux server running in my car (mercedes S500) and i'm wondering how to put it on the internet, i'm looking for a GRPS modem with tcp/ip stack to put on the internet, with a hardware firewall/%router... anyone familiar with this? i need some info ;-) |
| 15:17.23 | WolfCub | Zibar: apt-get install kernel-image-2.6.8-2.6.8-2-686-smp |
| 15:17.31 | Zibar | ooh |
| 15:17.40 | ffaker | valdyn, that's too messy - looks like it will remove the whole of GNOME. will just try removing gstreamer packages |
| 15:17.44 | hanz | how to list all unstable packages on a machine? |
| 15:17.44 | WolfCub | That will get you a SMP kernel optimized for 686 |
| 15:17.49 | Zibar | but im in the middle of configuring a 2.6.8 kernel |
| 15:17.53 | Zibar | abort ? |
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| 15:17.55 | Zibar | :) |
| 15:18.03 | WolfCub | Ahhh ok. |
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| 15:18.07 | WolfCub | Go ahead if that's what you want to do. |
| 15:18.23 | Zibar | hmmm - well i want the best results ..... |
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| 15:18.39 | Zibar | so i should dump the kernel ive got and get the one you mentioned above ? |
| 15:18.40 | valdyn | ffaker: it _will_ get messy unless you "dpkg --remove --force-depends" and specify every single gstreamer package |
| 15:18.48 | WolfCub | Zibar: did you copy your previous config into the kernel source directory before trying to configure it? If not you'll probably get a kernel panic upon reboot. |
| 15:18.59 | WolfCub | You'll get great results either way. |
| 15:19.02 | Zibar | nope i didnt |
| 15:19.05 | A-z-i-z | what's the command to open mplayer (in gui) ? |
| 15:19.14 | WolfCub | Zibar: well youd better go with the apt-get install then. |
| 15:19.16 | appaji | A-z-i-z: gmplayer? |
| 15:19.18 | tarzeau | A-z-i-z: gmplayer |
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| 15:19.22 | A-z-i-z | thanks |
| 15:19.23 | Zibar | hmm ok - thanks |
| 15:19.27 | WolfCub | No problem. |
| 15:19.30 | ffaker | valdyn, so what do you recomend? |
| 15:20.03 | mdh | I really should join debian one day |
| 15:20.03 | WolfCub | Lunch break's over, see ya later guys ;) |
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| 15:20.10 | ricky_clarkson | !not working |
| 15:20.11 | dpkg | Look buddy, doesn't work is an ambiguous statement. Does it sit on the couch all day? Does it want more money? Does it waste its time on IRC all day long? Please be specific! Define 'it' and what it isn't doing. |
| 15:20.23 | valdyn | ffaker: dpkg --remove --force-depends <long list of packages> After that, install them back. |
| 15:20.33 | jethro | get a umts device |
| 15:20.37 | jethro | camT: ^^ |
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| 15:21.04 | valdyn | ffaker: not to hard since apt-get remove libgstreamer0.8-0 will output a nice list which you can copy gstreamer package from. |
| 15:21.21 | valdyn | s/package/packages/ |
| 15:21.34 | Zibar | apt-get cant find that kernel package - do i need a special source ? |
| 15:21.47 | ffaker | valdyn - got it. ta |
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| 15:21.57 | ffaker | ok trying... |
| 15:22.20 | jethro | camT: you can either get a gsm pcmcia card or use a cellphone as a modem |
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| 15:22.59 | camT | but the cellphone must be permanently online |
| 15:23.31 | jethro | and? mine is already on 24x7 |
| 15:24.15 | valdyn | !reinstall |
| 15:24.15 | dpkg | rumour has it, reinstall is COLUMNS=200 dpkg -l | awk '/^[hi]i/{print $2}' | xargs apt-get --reinstall install |
| 15:24.34 | Zibar | so when a apt-get a kernel image it will automatically configure and install ? |
| 15:25.09 | A-z-i-z | I can't play some .rm files, are there any codecs for any player that plays them ? |
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| 15:25.47 | greycat | Zibar: kernel images are already compiled. |
| 15:25.54 | A-z-i-z | when i try to play .rm file using Totem, I get "Audio codec 'Sipro' is not handled" |
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| 15:27.40 | Zibar | ok - but wont i loose alot of performance when its not compiled especially for my system ? |
| 15:28.01 | nydust | how do i install apache 1.33 under sarge |
| 15:28.11 | streuner | apt-get install apache |
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| 15:28.23 | takatumi | Zibar: a "lot" is arguable, some? probably. |
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| 15:28.37 | nydust | streuner_, it says apache2 |
| 15:28.46 | stew | Zibar: not a noticable amount |
| 15:29.02 | Zibar | ok |
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| 15:29.07 | streuner | nydust: why is that? |
| 15:29.26 | nydust | streuner, apache apache-common apache2-utils libapr0 <--- is this apache 1.3? |
| 15:29.26 | stew | nydust: what says apache2? |
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| 15:29.38 | streuner | nydust: yep |
| 15:29.58 | nydust | when i do a apt-get install apache i get this apache apache-common apache2-utils libapr0 |
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| 15:30.12 | nydust | oki then i install ;) |
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| 15:30.14 | nydust | thanks |
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| 15:31.11 | zorton | i'm having kernel log messages dumping across on the console. It's getting rather anonying, how do I dump only to /var/log/kern.log? i'm using syslog-ng 1.6 |
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| 15:31.55 | astronut | zorton: klogd -c 4 or something |
| 15:32.01 | somnambulantdead | does anyone know anything about alsa of kmix? |
| 15:32.05 | takatumi | zorton: nothing in /usr/share/doc/syslog-ng? |
| 15:32.09 | somnambulantdead | of=or |
| 15:32.09 | ffaker | valdyn, reinstall currently in progress. am doing an apt update (not upgrade) while i'm at it too, so it will take maybe 10 minutes or so. thanks for all your help so far :) |
| 15:32.19 | zorton | takatumi: plenty, in fact too much :) |
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| 15:32.48 | zorton | astronut: I was thinking that was the command, but I found no documentation on the command |
| 15:32.49 | Zibar | well im trying to install the ati drivers this flavio guy wrote - he tells me to make sure the kernel source is installed with a configuration that matches the running kernel ... how do i go about that now that ive installed a kernel image with apt-get |
| 15:32.57 | nydust | streuner, are there any good webapps that i use to remote controll my debian box? |
| 15:33.14 | streuner | nydust: ssh |
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| 15:33.21 | swemaddog | Hello. |
| 15:33.25 | sml | Zibar: he just means to have the source kernel package installed that matches your running kernel. |
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| 15:33.37 | Zibar | ok,phew |
| 15:33.42 | swemaddog | Ive got a script that i want to start when debian start. |
| 15:33.44 | jethro | nydust: you want to avoid remote control with a web application |
| 15:33.46 | sml | Zibar: presumably so you can build the module from the kernel headers. |
| 15:33.54 | swemaddog | Anyone could help me with this? |
| 15:34.00 | nkuttler | swemaddog: man update-rc.d |
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| 15:34.44 | schneiderj | I have downloaded the driver for my video card (radeon 9550)... but it is a RPM package, Can I use it ? |
| 15:34.51 | FarrisG | I have taken all references to fvwm out of my .xsession and my .vnc/xstartup, but everytime I run vncserver fvwm tries to start |
| 15:34.53 | FarrisG | any ideas? |
| 15:34.53 | swemaddog | Ok, then? |
| 15:35.04 | streuner | schneiderj: /msg dpkg ati |
| 15:35.14 | resiak | !any ideas |
| 15:35.15 | dpkg | Yeah, I have an idea! But I'll need a bag full of ground beef, a little thermal paste, and a dozen sex-crazed oxen. And keep the cops off my back for the next few hours! |
| 15:35.26 | nydust | jethro, its just local |
| 15:35.42 | greycat | FarrisG: ls -l /etc/alternatives/x-* |
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| 15:35.57 | schneiderj | streuner : does that mean that I have to copy the file into msg repertory ? |
| 15:35.58 | swemaddog | nkuttler : mind if i take this in private? My experience with linux is not that good. |
| 15:36.11 | Zibar | now that ive installed kernel-image-2.6.8-2-686-smp - my kernel source 2.6.8 wont do anymore will it ? cant seem to find the source for the smp one with apt-cache search .... |
| 15:36.16 | streuner | schneiderj: type that into your irc-client |
| 15:36.41 | directhex | Zibar, kernel source is fine for any & all of the same kernel (i.e. 2.6.8 si good for 686-smp) |
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| 15:36.45 | takatumi | zorton: for the doc, run man klogd btw. |
| 15:36.49 | Zibar | great |
| 15:37.11 | valdyn | Zibar: you dont need the source, boot to your new kernel and "apt-get install kernel-headers-$(uname -r)" |
| 15:37.20 | astronut | schneiderj: i have rpm installed, or there is like an rpm2deb util |
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| 15:37.50 | nkuttler | swemaddog: please ask your questions in the channel |
| 15:37.59 | astronut | ah |
| 15:38.05 | astronut | schneiderj: alien --to-deb file.rpm |
| 15:38.12 | Zibar | ok |
| 15:38.25 | Zibar | but i already have 2.6.8 source so thats fine |
| 15:38.46 | nydust | how can i use php3 and php4? |
| 15:38.49 | stew | schneiderj: are you sure there isn't a debian way to install whatever you are installing via rpm? |
| 15:38.54 | Zibar | i must admit im tempted to just grab the binary package of the ati drivers instead of compiling ? whats my odds for succes on this approach ? :) |
| 15:38.56 | swemaddog | nkuttler, i did run that command, but i dident understand much what to do. |
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| 15:39.27 | astronut | schneiderj: /msg dpkg ati |
| 15:39.30 | takatumi | Zibar: flavio's debs should work with the kernel-headers. |
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| 15:39.42 | streuner | nydust: apt-get install php4 and read /usr/share/doc/php4/README.debian |
| 15:39.44 | Zibar | ok - ill risk it |
| 15:39.46 | Zibar | thanks all |
| 15:39.53 | schneiderj | I am very new to debian and Linux... that why I have so strange question ! |
| 15:40.09 | stew | schneiderj: what are you trying to install? |
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| 15:40.25 | nipplesrulz | goes to fadsajksdfadsf work >< |
| 15:40.26 | Pappa | why does sensible-browser default to epiphany? i want it to do firefox |
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| 15:40.41 | schneiderj | I have an ATI radeon which is not recognise by my system |
| 15:41.11 | schneiderj | and found a driver on the ATI site but its a rpm |
| 15:41.20 | schneiderj | I am loss |
| 15:41.23 | valdyn | !tell schneiderj about ati drivers |
| 15:41.24 | PerfDave | schneiderj: you want to ask directhex about that ;) |
| 15:41.25 | nydust | streuner, al files in that dir are in .gz |
| 15:41.33 | streuner | schneiderj: did you read what the factoid told you? |
| 15:41.42 | streuner | nydust: i know |
| 15:41.45 | PerfDave | schneiderj: Did you do "/msg dpkg radeon drivers" ? |
| 15:41.46 | swemaddog | nkuttler, read my last sentenc plz :) |
| 15:41.49 | schneiderj | yes I do |
| 15:41.57 | streuner | nydust: use 'zcat' |
| 15:42.02 | takatumi | Pappa: try 'update-alternatives --config x-www-browser' |
| 15:42.24 | schneiderj | no, only msg dpkg |
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| 15:42.40 | streuner | !tell schneiderj about ati |
| 15:43.03 | streuner | !tell schneiderj about ati drivers |
| 15:43.03 | HelmutG | i'd like to request the removal of some package, can someone give me some url on this topic? |
| 15:43.14 | lvdz | Could someone paste me his sources.list file? Mine is filled with wrong addresses. |
| 15:43.23 | valdyn | HelmutG: removal from where? |
| 15:43.29 | HelmutG | valdyn: from debian. |
| 15:43.29 | takatumi | HelmutG: try the debian-devel mailing list. |
| 15:43.33 | swemaddog | Ive got a script that i want to start when debian start. What do i do? |
| 15:43.37 | valdyn | HelmutG: for which reason? |
| 15:43.42 | petemc | swemaddog: check the faq |
| 15:43.48 | swemaddog | What faq? |
| 15:43.53 | petemc | <PROTECTED> |
| 15:44.02 | HelmutG | valdyn: the package is called irssi-snapshot, but should be called irssi-deprecated. |
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| 15:44.10 | CasaNova | Haven't installed Debian in loong time. Reading rc3 installer faqs and don't see any mention of LVM on install. I want to keep /, /boot and a few others in standard parts but the rest /home, /var, opt etc on LVM - can this be done during Debian Sarge install? |
| 15:44.16 | somnambulantdead | wow... this is driving me crazy |
| 15:44.25 | streuner | nydust: instead of zcat you can use zless as well |
| 15:44.32 | PerfDave | CasaNova: I believe so. |
| 15:44.37 | valdyn | HelmutG: file a bug report |
| 15:44.45 | greycat | lvdz: just run apt-setup |
| 15:44.56 | somnambulantdead | i finally found a driver from cmedia for my card... and one version is for 2.4 and the other refuses to compile |
| 15:45.05 | swemaddog | petemc Where is this faq is this listed how to do? |
| 15:45.10 | petemc | HelmutG: apt-cache show package - look at the maintainer field |
| 15:45.12 | HelmutG | valdyn: i assumed that. i'd like to know how to request package removal within a bug report. |
| 15:45.12 | greycat | !works in 2.4 |
| 15:45.13 | dpkg | Every time you say "___ doesn't work in 2.6, but it worked in 2.4", a 25 cent (USD) surcharge must be paid to greycat. |
| 15:45.22 | PerfDave | !rowks in 2.6 |
| 15:45.23 | HelmutG | petemc: just write a private mail? |
| 15:45.23 | lvdz | greycat: yes i already did but none of the addresses work. I get a "unable to fetch" message. |
| 15:45.25 | PerfDave | !works in 2.6 |
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| 15:45.37 | PerfDave | Bah, where did "works in 2.6" go? |
| 15:45.40 | petemc | HelmutG: probably best off speaking to the maintainer first |
| 15:45.43 | greycat | lvdz: maybe you're not online. |
| 15:45.47 | greycat | !listkeys in 2.6 |
| 15:45.49 | dpkg | Factoid search of 'in 2.6' by key returned no results. |
| 15:45.52 | petemc | swemaddog: whats wrong? could you not be bothered reading it? |
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| 15:46.07 | greycat | PerfDave: maybe one of the other bots? |
| 15:46.08 | lvdz | greycat i think i am cause i can ping websites and so forth |
| 15:46.10 | valdyn | petemc: nah in that case it looks defenitely like a bug already |
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| 15:46.18 | valdyn | !info irssi-snapshot sid |
| 15:46.20 | swemaddog | I dont know what im looking for.. really, im not that good at english too. |
| 15:46.22 | dpkg | irssi-snapshot: (The irssi IRC client (Development version)), section net, is extra. Version: 0.8.6+cvs.20031114-1 (sid), Packaged size: 822 kB, Installed size: 2493 kB |
| 15:46.24 | valdyn | !info irssi-text sid |
| 15:46.24 | HelmutG | petemc: i think the official way should be best. the maintainer will see that request and has two choices. removing the package or rebuilding it. both are good. |
| 15:46.26 | dpkg | irssi-text: (text-mode version of the irssi IRC client), section net, is optional. Version: 0.8.9-3 (sid), Packaged size: 807 kB, Installed size: 2456 kB |
| 15:46.26 | somnambulantdead | i didn't say it worked in 2.4 because i don't have it to know if it does or not |
| 15:46.29 | greycat | lvdz: what's the *exact* line that's failing, and the *exact* error? |
| 15:46.42 | PerfDave | !faq swemaddog |
| 15:46.44 | dpkg | swemaddog: http://www.linuks.mine.nu/debian-faq-wiki/ |
| 15:46.44 | greycat | valdyn: heh |
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| 15:46.46 | petemc | HelmutG: suit yourself |
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| 15:46.53 | swemaddog | i know |
| 15:46.58 | HelmutG | valdyn: see what i mean? |
| 15:47.03 | somnambulantdead | just that that version won't compile either, even after editing the make file |
| 15:47.07 | valdyn | HelmutG: yea |
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| 15:47.19 | swemaddog | but where in the Faq, what do i look for for autorun scripts? |
| 15:47.26 | CasaNova | Anyone have a link perhaps to a website where someone used LVM on install - just wnated to see if others have done an install straight to LVM or had to Move partitions to LVM logicalpartitions after install.... |
| 15:47.34 | HelmutG | valdyn: could you file the bug for me? |
| 15:47.40 | valdyn | HelmutG: i would file that bug with "important" |
| 15:47.44 | lvdz | greycat it fails when i run apt-setup, ask for the ftp solution, then choose a site. The error message is "unable to fetch *address* |
| 15:48.11 | zakame | CasaNova: you mean LVM on / ? |
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| 15:48.11 | somnambulantdead | i get like 800 of these errors "main.c:292: error: dereferencing pointer to incomplete type" |
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| 15:48.12 | valdyn | HelmutG: no, its easy enough, just do it yourself |
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| 15:48.12 | HelmutG | valdyn: ok. |
| 15:48.12 | kittonian_ | i'm needing to bring up a new debian box (although the box itself is rather old - piii 500 with 256mb) to run some tasks. so i'm on the debian website trying to download the cd image to do the work and the only official debian cd images i can find are for sarge. is this safe to install into a production environment? it will most likely be a mail/dns server running qmail and bind |
| 15:48.36 | somePriest | When checking logs, and finding say several hundred failed auth attempts from a given client, is it worth reporting that IP to the ISP who owns it? |
| 15:48.37 | schneiderj | Thank you for the link to this support for the ATI driver, It take me time to understand why you are explainning... I am not use with IRC |
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| 15:48.39 | PerfDave | kittonian_: Sarge doesn't have security updates yet. |
| 15:48.41 | kittonian_ | i'm not looking for features here, just the best performance possible |
| 15:48.43 | swemaddog | I cant find anything that says, autostart, or scripts, whats the word im looking for? |
| 15:48.43 | zakame | kittonian_: huh? there should be woody... |
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| 15:49.27 | valdyn | HelmutG: nm, dont file a bugreport, just read the existing one |
| 15:49.31 | HelmutG | valdyn: guess what. there is a bug. its severty is serious. it's nearly a year old. |
| 15:49.34 | jonz | I've googled and tried everything possible to turn off the indenting in vim on debian but nothing works. I have to manually type :set nocindent in vim to do it. Can anyone tell me how to disable the !$@@# indenting permanently? |
| 15:49.44 | valdyn | HelmutG: yea! |
| 15:49.44 | CasaNova | zakame: Yes and No - I think I want to keep / and /boot on regular non-lvm but all others on LVM... |
| 15:49.46 | zakame | use emacs then |
| 15:49.56 | HelmutG | valdyn: the worst thing is its age. |
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| 15:50.09 | zakame | CasaNova: doing a new install? d-i can do that... |
| 15:50.11 | HelmutG | that *should* have resultet in a package removal. |
| 15:50.33 | HelmutG | thanks anyway. |
| 15:50.35 | valdyn | !info irssi-snapshot sarge |
| 15:50.37 | swemaddog | I cant find anything that says, autostart, or scripts, whats the word im looking for?, could someone help me find the word or link for this? |
| 15:50.43 | HelmutG | valdyn: it's not in sarge. |
| 15:50.52 | valdyn | HelmutG: i have no idea how that happens in sid, but its been removed for a long time from sarge |
| 15:51.12 | CasaNova | jonz: Check the vim website - you need to add that option to your vim-rc I think (bee awhile) |
| 15:51.37 | jonz | yes i've done all the "normal" stuff like add it to .vimrc, /usr/share/vim/vimrc, .exrc, etc |
| 15:51.42 | jonz | stupid vim ignores all of that |
| 15:51.59 | zakame | the more you need to do emacs |
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| 15:52.09 | CasaNova | zakame: Not sure what you mean by d-i ? |
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| 15:52.50 | zakame | CasaNova: debian-installer |
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| 15:53.29 | pusling | I have a partially f*cked filesystem, but fsck did something and almost everything works. Is there a kind of apt-get <reinstall everything> ? |
| 15:53.45 | CasaNova | zakame: Doh! OK so the installer lets you use LVM for install -- excellent - I'll give it a whilr once I download rc3 installer... |
| 15:54.13 | stew | pusling: /msg dpkg reinstall |
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| 15:55.02 | valdyn | jonz: try "set noautoindent" |
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| 15:55.18 | ffaker | valdyn: YES!!! That worked! |
| 15:55.30 | ffaker | valdyn: finally i can rip CDs again |
| 15:55.33 | jonz | valdyn you're not hearing me. :set nocindent works -in- vim . my problem is that vim is ignoring everything when i put it in .vimrc, .exrc, or even the main vimrc |
| 15:55.37 | ffaker | thanks loads :) |
| 15:55.56 | pusling | stew: thx |
| 15:55.59 | saabin | help me here to get it: how I can make awk or sed that after string "-n abc=" replace whole line with nothing including "-n abc=" "sed 's/-t abc=//g' |
| 15:56.01 | valdyn | jonz: have you *tried* "set noautoindent" ? |
| 15:56.05 | jonz | yes |
| 15:56.10 | resiak | jonz: Are you running it in vicompatible mode? |
| 15:56.20 | jonz | nocindent, noautoindent, nosmartindent |
| 15:56.23 | zakame | jonz: have you checked /etc/vimrc or something like that? |
| 15:56.26 | Zibar | so now ive booted my new kernel and installed those binary packaged ati drivers - how do i activate these new drivers ? run dpkg--reconnfigure again ? |
| 15:56.32 | jonz | resiak i don't know? i just apt-get installed vim, and it started indenting shit |
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| 15:56.42 | jonz | i've tried modifying /usr/share/vim/vimrc |
| 15:56.54 | jonz | there isn't an /etc/vimrc |
| 15:56.58 | resiak | jonz: What breed of Debian are you using? It worksforme. |
| 15:57.00 | petemc | <PROTECTED> |
| 15:57.00 | valdyn | jonz: /etc/vim/vimrc |
| 15:57.06 | jonz | sarge |
| 15:57.10 | Phated | Obviously not going to work since vim doesn't care what's in /usr/share/vim/vimrc |
| 15:57.27 | zakame | Phated: apt point |
| 15:57.33 | CasaNova | Will also default to /$HOME/.vimrc I believe... |
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| 15:57.46 | manitu | saabin: s/-t abc=.*// |
| 15:57.47 | jonz | then why is that file there? |
| 15:58.09 | Phated | As an example. |
| 15:58.14 | CasaNova | Gads I missed #debian. Looking forward to installing my new achine as debian - been tool ong since I've run a Deb machine at home... |
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| 15:58.22 | jonz | at any rate, i've put "set nocindent" in /etc/vim/vimrc too and still no luck |
| 15:58.30 | jonz | i've also tried noautoindent, nosmartindent, and "filetype indent off" |
| 15:58.35 | Phated | Set it in ~/.vimrc. |
| 15:58.42 | jonz | tried that too |
| 15:58.46 | CasaNova | Getting a GeForce 6800 , install debian, Install Doom3, Hope wife doesn't divorce me! |
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| 15:59.24 | somePriest | CasaNova : Doom3? I'd be surprised if she didn't. :) |
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| 16:00.06 | Phated | If you're really a CasaNova, I wouldn't worry about the gaming. |
| 16:00.14 | takatumi | or the wife. |
| 16:00.17 | CasaNova | somePriest: Well she stuck with me through RTCW - but we only had one kid back then ! :-) |
| 16:00.28 | CasaNova | Phated: ;-) |
| 16:00.31 | jonz | http://rafb.net/paste/results/yWKnrf84.html |
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| 16:00.47 | jonz | i've put that in /etc/vim/vimrc, ~/.vimrc and tried it prefixed with :'s in ~/.exrc |
| 16:01.04 | Phated | You've restarted vim, yeah? |
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| 16:01.11 | jonz | of course |
| 16:01.19 | Phated | Just covering the obvious. |
| 16:01.40 | CasaNova | Phated: I always forget that interpretation as I always think "Star House" now |
| 16:01.53 | valdyn | jonz: strace vim 2>&1 | grep open | grep vimrc |
| 16:01.59 | caphuso | jonz: what does ":verbose set cindent?" in vim say? |
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| 16:02.37 | jonz | valdyn nothing |
| 16:02.44 | greycat | valdyn: strace -eopen ... |
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| 16:03.33 | valdyn | jonz: gives for me: open("/home/valdyn/.vimrc", O_RDONLY) = 4 |
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| 16:03.55 | jonz | it's opening /usr/share/vim/vimrc, /etc/vim/vimrc.local, /root/.vimrc |
| 16:03.59 | jonz | lemme try vimrc.local |
| 16:04.09 | valdyn | jonz: ROOT ? |
| 16:04.09 | astronut | i just tried to do a debin install of nvidia driver |
| 16:04.13 | astronut | but it iddn't work |
| 16:04.17 | astronut | any suggestions? |
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| 16:04.22 | jonz | hmm nope |
| 16:04.26 | resiak | !didn't work |
| 16:04.26 | dpkg | Look buddy, doesn't work is an ambiguous statement. Does it sit on the couch all day? Does it want more money? Does it waste its time on IRC all day long? Please be specific! Define 'it' and what it isn't doing. |
| 16:04.27 | jonz | valdyn well i'm vi'ing it as root |
| 16:04.44 | zakame | astronut: build the nvidia-kernel-source |
| 16:04.51 | astronut | zakame: did |
| 16:04.55 | nydust | what is the zlib package called? |
| 16:04.58 | nydust | ? zlib |
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| 16:05.12 | greycat | nydust: zlib1g-dev |
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| 16:05.25 | astronut | the module starts to load then saysit is an unrecognized module |
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| 16:05.46 | zakame | astronut: emacs /etc/X11/XF86Config-4 ? |
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| 16:05.56 | zakame | do the necessary edits? |
| 16:05.57 | astronut | (EE) /usr/X11R6/lib/modules/drivers/nvidia_drv.o is an unrecognized module type |
| 16:06.06 | astronut | zakame: i had been using other nvidia before |
| 16:06.17 | promethues | hi,everyone~ |
| 16:06.28 | zakame | that's from nvidia-glx, have you updated that? |
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| 16:06.36 | astronut | hmm |
| 16:06.50 | astronut | oops |
| 16:06.51 | astronut | missed a package |
| 16:06.54 | astronut | heh |
| 16:06.59 | astronut | thanks |
| 16:07.34 | zakame | np |
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| 16:08.39 | nydust | what is this wwwconfig-common?? |
| 16:09.11 | saabin | help me here to get this right: how I can make awk or sed that after string "-n abc=" replace whole line with nothing including "-n abc=" itself. I am raking my brain can not find it |
| 16:09.11 | astronut | ok, drivers initialized |
| 16:09.30 | gahan | why zsh doesnt create history file? |
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| 16:09.32 | astronut | saabin: wait |
| 16:09.38 | astronut | saabin: you want to remove all lines containing that string? |
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| 16:10.06 | greycat | saabin: grep -v |
| 16:10.12 | astronut | that's what i was going to suggest |
| 16:10.18 | astronut | but wanted to make sure that's what he wanted |
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| 16:10.55 | caphuso | gahan: most likely because you didn't tell it to |
| 16:11.03 | saabin | astronut: actually yes. After "-n abc=" remove it but leave the rest |
| 16:11.14 | astronut | oh |
| 16:11.37 | drac | gahan: http://www.pastebin.com/272863 |
| 16:11.45 | astronut | use a regexp |
| 16:11.46 | astronut | with sed -e |
| 16:11.46 | drac | gahan: that's from my .zshrc, and my history options. |
| 16:12.03 | schneiderj | Thank for your help my video card is installed ! |
| 16:12.09 | saabin | astronut: how with sed -e ? |
| 16:12.19 | caphuso | drac: a 100 lines history? are you using zsh on a pocket calculator? :) |
| 16:12.22 | gahan | damn i set SAVEHIST to 1 |
| 16:12.34 | drac | caphuso :D |
| 16:12.48 | swemaddog | I cant find anything that says, autostart, or scripts, whats the word im looking for?, could someone help me find the word or link for this? |
| 16:13.04 | swemaddog | In the faq |
| 16:13.08 | drac | ..hides.. |
| 16:13.09 | astronut | saabin: cat file | sed -e 's/-n abc=.*/' |
| 16:13.10 | astronut | i think |
| 16:13.20 | astronut | oops |
| 16:13.23 | astronut | s/*/+ |
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| 16:13.40 | saabin | astronut: let me try! |
| 16:13.43 | astronut | saabin: cat file | sed -e 's/-n abc=.+//' |
| 16:13.46 | astronut | i think |
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| 16:15.25 | swemaddog | noone here knows how to make a script start when debian start? |
| 16:15.53 | greycat | swemaddog: read /etc/init.d/README |
| 16:15.55 | astronut | swemaddog: put in /etc/init.d/ then symlink in /etc/rcX.d where X is the runlevel |
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| 16:16.50 | swemaddog | -bash: /etc/init.d/readme: in no such file or directory. |
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| 16:17.31 | boukensya | hey guys I am trying to extract all the zips in a directory. I think it is something like "for i in *zip | ./" or something like that but don't remember |
| 16:17.37 | swemaddog | astronut i dont know much about linux, thats why im asking. |
| 16:17.53 | swemaddog | astronut that dont say me 1 thing :P |
| 16:17.58 | caphuso | boukensya: for a in *.zip; do unzip "$a"; done |
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| 16:18.32 | gahan | i wish my window title shows a cmd i'm running (zsh), how do i ? |
| 16:18.43 | boukensya | awesome great caphuso thanks.. whats does a mean? cuz I did 'i' before |
| 16:18.55 | boukensya | but same sort of format |
| 16:19.01 | caphuso | boukensya: you can use i instead of a too, that doesn't matter |
| 16:19.07 | caphuso | it's just a name |
| 16:19.21 | boukensya | so could I use any letter caphuso ? |
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| 16:19.35 | swemaddog | greycat, you mind helping me insted of linking to some txt that i dont get 1 thing of? =) |
| 16:19.39 | caphuso | boukensya: anything that's a valid identifier |
| 16:19.40 | nydust | where do i get this package libcgi-untaint-email-perl? |
| 16:19.52 | astronut | swemaddog: he said README |
| 16:19.53 | astronut | not readme |
| 16:20.14 | boukensya | okay so that is insignificant? so why is anything used? sorry just trying to learn |
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| 16:20.22 | swemaddog | permission denied as root ? :p |
| 16:20.34 | astronut | swemaddog: i think you're doing something wrong, lol |
| 16:20.35 | caphuso | gahan: by putting some clever echo commands into the precmd and preexec functions |
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| 16:21.08 | swemaddog | im logged in as root, and type that exact line, with capital letters and everything, still permission denied |
| 16:21.11 | greycat | swemaddog: READ IT. Don't try to run it. |
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| 16:21.25 | swemaddog | STill, im not good at linux |
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| 16:21.39 | swemaddog | so i dont know how to read a file lol |
| 16:22.03 | DwyaneWade | anyone knows why it rteurns segm. fault at shutdown? |
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| 16:22.45 | swemaddog | ah ok, pico then that line, and i got into the readme. but it dont say much about how to do it. |
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| 16:23.21 | swemaddog | but you all linked me to the FAQ, and where in the faq is this located? |
| 16:24.52 | FieldySnuts | @handhold swemaddog |
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| 16:25.06 | e-type | hi all |
| 16:25.16 | swemaddog | ..... |
| 16:25.16 | e-type | quick question: where does debian keep it's default kernel config? |
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| 16:26.08 | swemaddog | well then, lets talk about how to fix so my server dont change ip |
| 16:26.11 | greycat | !man interfaces |
| 16:26.11 | dpkg | Edit /etc/network/interfaces. For DHCP: auto eth0 (newline) iface eth0 inet dhcp For static: auto eth0 (newline) iface eth0 inet static (newline)(tab) address xx.xx.xx.xx (newline)(tab) netmask nn.nn.nn.nn (newline)(tab) gateway gg.gg.gg.gg |
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| 16:26.42 | nydust | how can i extract an deb file |
| 16:26.48 | caphuso | nydust: dpkg -x |
| 16:26.51 | astronut | nydust: man dpkg |
| 16:27.22 | zakame | man man |
| 16:27.38 | e-type | even better than telling me where that config file is, do the kernels in debian have the option for wireless internet switched on? |
| 16:27.44 | streuner | nydust: why do you think you need to extract a deb? |
| 16:27.51 | e-type | friend of mine is in trouble, can't ssh in to help him... |
| 16:28.09 | saabin | astronut: it did not work |
| 16:28.09 | zakame | e-type: if you make it so, yes |
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| 16:28.10 | nydust | streuner, i need to lock at a config file.. I dont know where it is on my system |
| 16:28.17 | nydust | lock = look |
| 16:28.30 | e-type | zakame: so it's not in the standard debian kernel packages? |
| 16:28.35 | streuner | nydust: /etc/ is the dir where the config files are |
| 16:28.38 | e-type | found the config in the meantime btw |
| 16:28.41 | astronut | saabin: hmm? |
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| 16:28.43 | astronut | the regexp? |
| 16:28.54 | streuner | nydust: what package? |
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| 16:29.13 | zakame | e-type: those kernel-images from outspace? i don't think so... |
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| 16:29.29 | e-type | zakame: lol |
| 16:29.35 | nydust | streuner, limacute-ng_2.1.14-2_all.deb |
| 16:29.48 | streuner | !info limacute-ng |
| 16:29.54 | e-type | zakame: you call packages.debian.org outspace? :) :) :) |
| 16:30.01 | streuner | <dpkg> Package 'limacute-ng' does not exist. |
| 16:30.05 | e-type | zakame: can't imagine he found something from somewhere else |
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| 16:30.19 | streuner | nydust: where did you got that from? |
| 16:30.33 | zakame | e-type: not really, just what I mean `everything else out there that you don't make yourself' :)) |
| 16:30.34 | nydust | streuner, http://www.limacute.org |
| 16:30.41 | e-type | zakame: hehehe |
| 16:30.56 | e-type | zakame: don't think he's ready to compile his own kernel yet :) |
| 16:31.06 | saabin | astronut: sed -e 's/-t abc=.+//' did not remove rest of the line after "-t abc=" not even that |
| 16:31.14 | DwyaneWade | anyone knows why it returns segmentation fault at shutdown? |
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| 16:31.23 | zakame | e-type: you could teach him :)) |
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| 16:31.40 | maggi | do you know anywhere where I can get a step by step walkthrough to load the new kernel image at boot-up? |
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| 16:31.47 | e-type | zakame: indeed I could... ;) |
| 16:31.55 | e-type | zakame: think he better learns himself though |
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| 16:32.05 | sageek | Is there any way to make beep-media-player play mp3 files with ubuntu? |
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| 16:32.09 | sml | saabin: that .+ means that it has to match any character at least once. is that what you mean ? |
| 16:32.24 | streuner | sageek: #ubuntu |
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| 16:32.40 | sageek | yeah dones't seems to get much support there |
| 16:32.45 | sageek | so i join'd here |
| 16:32.50 | zakame | e-type: yeah, i'd do the same... |
| 16:32.54 | streuner | sageek: /msg dpkg ubuntu |
| 16:33.00 | sml | maggi: when you install a kernel using apt it automatically does this for you. |
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| 16:33.18 | sageek | ok, thought so since it is based. |
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| 16:33.24 | PerfDave | !debian based |
| 16:33.24 | dpkg | Knoppix, Libranet, Corel/Xandros, Stormix, Progeny, Linspire, DamnSmallLinux, Xebian, Ubuntu, Mepis, and so on are *not* Debian. Just because something's "based on" Debian doesn't mean we can support it. You'll get a Debian answer, and if it doesn't work, you're out of luck. |
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| 16:34.22 | maggi | I have installed the kernel and all, but lilo wont start it up |
| 16:34.44 | zakame | how did you install? |
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| 16:34.59 | valdyn | maggi: paste your /etc/kernel-img.conf somewhere please ( not in here ) |
| 16:35.08 | maggi | ok |
| 16:35.11 | maggi | wait then |
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| 16:35.24 | Rawplayer | does anyone know what happened with undernet? |
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| 16:35.34 | sml | Rawplayer: define "what happened" ? |
| 16:35.46 | streuner | Rawplayer: tried undernet.org? |
| 16:35.50 | Rawplayer | like some ircop glined *!*@* |
| 16:36.04 | sml | Rawplayer: Sounds about right for those retards |
| 16:36.06 | maggi | I'm going to post it here. only 6 lines. So admins don't kick my ass for it :) |
| 16:36.08 | maggi | do_symlinks = yes |
| 16:36.08 | maggi | relative_links = yes |
| 16:36.08 | maggi | do_bootloader = yes |
| 16:36.08 | maggi | do_bootfloppy = no |
| 16:36.08 | maggi | do_initrd = yes |
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| 16:36.26 | valdyn | !moron maggi |
| 16:36.27 | dpkg | maggi: You are moron #98 |
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| 16:36.32 | sml | lol |
| 16:36.33 | saabin | <sml>: I want to use sed to replace "-n abc=" in a line and the characters after in that line. How to get it to work? |
| 16:36.36 | maggi | ups |
| 16:36.38 | ArdomusMorty | my connection 'died' and /etc/init.d/networking restart doesn't work neither does ifup eth0 but restarting works anyone know what reset might do that networking restart doesn't so i can fix this without restarting? |
| 16:36.38 | maggi | :p |
| 16:36.46 | streuner | maggi: don't flood here |
| 16:36.50 | saabin | ased -e 's/-t abc=.+//' did not remove rest of the line after "-t abc=" not even that |
| 16:36.55 | streuner | maggi: /msg dpkg flood |
| 16:37.06 | maggi | I didn't know that it would send it in different messages |
| 16:37.12 | sml | saabin: sed -e 's/\-t abc=.*//' |
| 16:37.16 | maggi | just thought it would skip a line and that's it |
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| 16:37.20 | schneiderj | I want to build ndiswrapper I have the following error : can't find kernel sources in /lib/modules/2.6.8-386/build, what can I do ? |
| 16:37.21 | timo | Rawplayer, dunno, but I got G-lined too. "Advertising infecting web sites. Clean this computer!" |
| 16:37.31 | Rawplayer | timo: a lot of people has |
| 16:37.34 | saabin | sml: let me try that |
| 16:37.39 | saabin | sml: thank you |
| 16:37.40 | sml | saabin: sed -e 's/^\-t abc=.*$//' is better |
| 16:37.40 | timo | Rawplayer, good to know I'm not the only one then |
| 16:37.44 | maggi | but did you read the text in kernel-img.conf? |
| 16:37.53 | jamie^ | timo: ditto |
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| 16:38.53 | sml | saabin: echo "-t abc=" | sed -e 's/-t abc=.*//', works for me |
| 16:39.06 | valdyn | maggi: its setup for lilo. dont message me |
| 16:39.24 | maggi | huh? |
| 16:39.28 | maggi | I don't understand |
| 16:39.30 | valdyn | maggi: run lilo -v, any error? |
| 16:39.36 | astronut | there we go, sml knows it better than i do |
| 16:39.44 | valdyn | !tell maggi about msg |
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| 16:40.21 | maggi | yes |
| 16:40.34 | nydust | where do i get mod_ssl.so ? |
| 16:40.36 | maggi | illegal 'root=' specification: hda2 |
| 16:40.49 | streuner | nydust: /msg dpkg search |
| 16:41.10 | sml | Is it wrong to want to eat curry *every* day of the week? |
| 16:41.29 | valdyn | maggi: grep root /etc/lilo.conf |
| 16:41.32 | jethro | it's called addiction |
| 16:41.39 | sml | jethro: Should I seek help ? |
| 16:41.46 | jethro | yeah, go to a doctor |
| 16:41.53 | maggi | ok never mind |
| 16:41.55 | maggi | I think I got it |
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| 16:41.56 | jethro | :) |
| 16:41.58 | greycat | or failing that, a grocery store |
| 16:42.02 | sml | jethro: But he's indian. He might not think it's a problem. |
| 16:42.09 | maggi | I should have added the /dev/ before the hda stuff |
| 16:42.21 | valdyn | maggi: yes |
| 16:42.33 | maggi | I'm still kinda new to linux so pleace forgive me |
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| 16:42.46 | maggi | only been using since february |
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| 16:44.13 | saabin | sml: did not work |
| 16:44.13 | benjamindees | what is the libmm11 package and why is apt trying to update it without a security advisory or an announcement? |
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| 16:44.51 | valdyn | benjamindees: in woody? |
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| 16:45.11 | gnat_x | am i correct in thinking that just changing stable to testing in sources.list, running upgrade then dist upgrade will move a box from woody to sarge? |
| 16:45.21 | stouset | gnat_x: yup |
| 16:45.29 | stouset | gnat_x: well, actually, technically speaking no |
| 16:45.30 | Phated | You have to run update. |
| 16:45.31 | valdyn | gnat_x: no, /msg dpkg woody->sarge |
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| 16:45.41 | benjamindees | valdyn, yes |
| 16:45.57 | stouset | gnat_x: That'll get you from woody to testing. I'd put "sarge" in instead of "testing", so that when sarge is released you follow it |
| 16:45.58 | valdyn | benjamindees: woody r5 was released, read the changelog |
| 16:46.09 | benjamindees | valdyn, ah, will do |
| 16:46.36 | greycat | !tell Gatenhow about msg |
| 16:46.47 | Gatenhow | fuck you |
| 16:47.06 | streuner | Gatenhow: what a nasty word :-) |
| 16:47.31 | Gatenhow | streuner you are gay |
| 16:47.35 | streuner | !br |
| 16:47.35 | dpkg | Por favor use #debian-br (/j #debian-br) para ajuda em portugues. |
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| 16:49.45 | saabin | eval 'command ${myvar} /tmp/${TMPFILE}' ? something wrong in here? it is #!/bin/ksh script |
| 16:49.48 | gnat_x | stouset: thanks. that makes sense |
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| 16:50.36 | markuman | hello. if i want to install nvidia driver from nvidia.com he want kernel-header. how to install them? with apt-get? whats the name of the packages? |
| 16:50.55 | valdyn | !tell markuman about nvidia drivers |
| 16:51.04 | markuman | ? |
| 16:51.05 | valdyn | !tell marukuman about nvidia one-liner |
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| 16:51.22 | markuman | don't understand you message valdyn |
| 16:51.43 | valdyn | markuman: made dpkg /msg you stuff |
| 16:51.53 | pahvi | markuman: apt-cache search kernel-headers |
| 16:52.32 | markuman | ok, thx |
| 16:52.33 | procrastinator | Where can my USB-mouse be? |
| 16:52.34 | procrastinator | except for /dev/mouse |
| 16:52.39 | pahvi | in your pocket? |
| 16:52.45 | pipeline | procrastinator: /dev/mouse is usually wrong. |
| 16:52.52 | ledet | procrastinator: look in /dev/input/mice |
| 16:52.54 | pipeline | procrastinator: You probably want /dev/psaux or /dev/input/mice |
| 16:53.05 | karamelos | Is ALSA enabled by default in kernel-image-2.6.8? |
| 16:53.14 | pipeline | karamelos: Yes, but you have to load the modules. |
| 16:53.22 | procrastinator | Thanks, i'll try |
| 16:53.24 | pipeline | karamelos: Hotplug will load OSS by default. |
| 16:53.39 | valdyn | !tell karamelos about alsa 2.6 |
| 16:53.41 | pipeline | karamelos: You can try adding all the OSS modules to the hotplug blacklist |
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| 16:53.55 | pipeline | karamelos: Alternatively, you can disable hotplug (but I don't like that solution much) |
| 16:54.00 | valdyn | pipeline: thats done by a debian package.. |
| 16:54.12 | pipeline | valdyn: No shit? How? |
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| 16:54.24 | valdyn | pipeline: apt-get install alsa-base iirc |
| 16:54.37 | pipeline | valdyn: Maybe the alsa-oss package covers it (??) |
| 16:54.46 | valdyn | pipeline: no |
| 16:54.51 | karamelos | pipeline, I will have to add the OSS modules to hotplug blacklist, since I am using hotplug to detect my usb still camera. |
| 16:55.03 | nydust | can i force an package install? |
| 16:55.17 | valdyn | karamelos: just do what dpkg told you, that will automatically take care of disableing oss modules |
| 16:55.20 | drac | nydust: dpkg --force-help |
| 16:55.26 | streuner | nydust: what's the problem? |
| 16:55.59 | streuner | nydust: limacute-ng? |
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| 16:56.12 | pipeline | karamelos: Perhaps you should try what valdin just suggested. |
| 16:56.15 | valdyn | !find etc/hotplug/blacklist.d/alsa-base |
| 16:56.20 | gnat_x | on a completely different not (and machine) i'm running sarge, and can't mount my cdr or dvdrom, but cds play fine, and somehow k3b can burn, but grip can't find anything |
| 16:56.21 | dpkg | Debian Search of 'etc/hotplug/blacklist.d/alsa-base' (1): (/etc/hotplug/blacklist.d/alsa-base) in sound/alsa-base. |
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| 16:56.27 | nydust | streuner, dpkg: error processing /var/cache/apt/archives/limacute_1.0.3-7_i386.deb (--unpack) trying to overwrite `/etc/limacute/limacute.schema', which is also in package limacute-ng |
| 16:56.35 | valdyn | pipeline/ karamelos: see what dpkg said |
| 16:56.42 | procrastinator | yaahaay -i started X! |
| 16:56.48 | karamelos | thanks pipeline and valdyn |
| 16:56.54 | gnat_x | i think it has something to do with ide-scsi, and the other ide thing, but i can't google up the recommended fix |
| 16:57.08 | streuner | nydust: why do you have 2 different packages, there is only one at this website? |
| 16:57.36 | streuner | !info limacute |
| 16:57.51 | streuner | dpkg> Package 'limacute' does not exist |
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| 16:57.52 | nydust | streuner, i am not shure, i have added the to the source.list |
| 16:58.06 | nydust | then i get two packages |
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| 16:58.30 | karamelos | the alsa-base and alsa-utils must be installed after kernel-image-2.6.8 right? |
| 16:58.36 | streuner | nydust: remove that line in sources.list, run 'apt-get update' and remove the package limacute |
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| 16:58.48 | cyzie | Checking `lkm'... You have 1 process hidden for ps command |
| 16:58.48 | cyzie | Warning: Possible LKM Trojan installed |
| 16:58.53 | gnat_x | if i'm not mistaken ide-scsi makes the drives work faster? |
| 16:59.02 | cyzie | how do i remove this LKM trojan? |
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| 16:59.13 | streuner | cyzie: reinstall |
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| 16:59.27 | cahoot | isn't that a bogus ? |
| 16:59.28 | DwyaneWade | <PROTECTED> |
| 16:59.32 | cyzie | streuner, can u specify clearer? |
| 16:59.44 | nydust | streuner, but i need to install it... |
| 16:59.56 | streuner | nydust: which of those? |
| 17:00.01 | cahoot | cyzie: check out bugs.debian.org about chkrootkit |
| 17:00.14 | nydust | streuner, the right one. |
| 17:00.32 | nydust | streuner, it looks like its limacute-ng |
| 17:00.36 | gnat_x | cyzie: the only way to be sure your machine isn't actually owned is to reinstall from scratch. there are things you can do in the meantime, but that's the only way to know for sure its gone |
| 17:00.36 | cyzie | cahoot, the result i pasted early was shown using chkrootkit |
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| 17:00.43 | streuner | nydust: limacute isn't in debian, so i would guess you are better up with the one of their website... |
| 17:00.50 | cyzie | gnat_x, how to remove that? |
| 17:01.21 | karamelos | how can I tell if kernel-image-2.6.8 package has debianlogo or lpp patches already applied? |
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| 17:02.28 | cyzie | anyone know the exact step to remove this lkm? for windows, it has antivirus |
| 17:02.30 | cyzie | what about linux? |
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| 17:04.36 | Lars_Otte | #debian.de |
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| 17:05.11 | greycat | cyzie: bugs.debian.org/chkrootkit |
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| 17:05.45 | doub | hi there |
| 17:05.47 | colter | I'd like a user to be able to copy files into a directory, then restrict him from deleting them. All I could think of so far is a cronjob to repeatedly scan that directory and chmod -w all files. Is there an easier solution for this? |
| 17:06.03 | colter | Im aware it's a dirty solution |
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| 17:06.19 | Squiddy | Hi folks. Can anyone point me to some good resources for how UDEV and HALD work? I recently adopted this scheme and am having trouble giving users access to things like /dev/null and the audio devices on a permanent basis. |
| 17:06.24 | greycat | colter: chmodding the files will have NO effect. |
| 17:06.24 | caphuso | colter: uhm, "chmod -w file" does _not_ prevent deletion of that file |
| 17:06.27 | pipeline | colter: sticky bit |
| 17:06.32 | cyzie | greycat, why are u giving me that link? |
| 17:06.39 | greycat | pipeline: also requires that he chown the file. |
| 17:06.39 | cyzie | greycat, i checked the link |
| 17:07.03 | feng-_- | can anyone tell me what's the version of gnome in the lastest stable debian release ? |
| 17:07.15 | greycat | feng-_-: packages.debian.org |
| 17:07.23 | greycat | the latest *STABLE* release has gnome 1.4. |
| 17:07.24 | pipeline | Squiddy: I think /usr/share/doc/udev contains something useful |
| 17:07.38 | feng-_- | oh,still 1.4 hmm ,ok |
| 17:07.51 | Squiddy | pipeline, Whoops! That might be a great idea, eh? Sorry about that. Beyond that, any caveats you can share? |
| 17:07.57 | streuner | feng-_-: use sarge then |
| 17:07.57 | colter | greycat, caphuso: but if I remove (lets say all) permissions, how can that user delete the file then? |
| 17:08.05 | feng-_- | Thanks |
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| 17:08.09 | greycat | !wikifaq colter Permissions |
| 17:08.10 | dpkg | colter: check out http://www.linuks.mine.nu/debian-faq-wiki/Permissions or if that doesn't work, try http://www.linuks.mine.nu/debian-faq-wiki/ |
| 17:08.10 | gnat_x | feng-_-: stable probably isn't what you want for a desktop, sarge is |
| 17:08.20 | colter | thanks |
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| 17:08.32 | feng-_- | gnat_x, no,it's not for desktop,but a server |
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| 17:09.09 | Squiddy | pipeline, Thanks for the pointer. I'll go read up on this a bit -- I've hacked things enough to get access to the system as a non-root user, but I'll need to set this up "properly". |
| 17:09.10 | feng-_- | ok,thanks anyway,have to go,bye |
| 17:09.27 | gnat_x | feng-_-: then, unless you need new versions of php or something, you will probably still want to go with stable. but i have servers running sarge. |
| 17:09.39 | gnat_x | either will do the job |
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| 17:09.46 | cyzie | greycat, is that only false alarm? |
| 17:09.56 | Caranthir | hoa |
| 17:09.56 | ididit | hey listen guys , |
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| 17:10.15 | LordFrith | Ok, so I do "apt-get install kernel-image-2.6.11-1-smp" followed by configuring grub to act appropriately with the included initrd. Of course, just like every other attempt, it boots with VFS: not found blah blah. What the hell am I not doing correctly? |
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| 17:10.29 | gnat_x | speaking of doing the job, i need to get back to prentending i have one ;) |
| 17:10.52 | schneiderj | I have the following message after the execution of the command modprobe ndiswrapper : |
| 17:10.52 | schneiderj | FATAL : Module ndiswrapper not found. |
| 17:10.52 | schneiderj | What Can I do to solve this ? |
| 17:11.08 | ididit | my LCD of the laptop is broken , its broken from the distal anterier side of the screen , my question is - is it dengerious to be infront of it while its running? :\ |
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| 17:11.23 | ididit | i'd be gratefull if anyone knows and answers.. thanks |
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| 17:12.13 | doub | that's not much a debian problem, but if any hardware guru in assistance can help me, i want to install a debian server, it's new hardware with nforce2 chipset, containing, it seems, an AGP video adapter, but without connector. i installed an old ATI pci card, as display is not that important for a server. but nothing is displayed. no BIOS speaker beep codes either. anyone has a clue ? |
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| 17:13.02 | doub | in other words, must I buy an AGP graphic card to make this work? |
| 17:13.13 | karamelos | ididit: I don't think there is any danger, regarding hazardouz radiations. |
| 17:13.33 | valdyn | doub: set your bios to use the pci card |
| 17:13.56 | doub | valdyn: i'd be glad to, but i don't have anything displayed |
| 17:14.16 | zinx | doub: you mean the board has no VGA output, or the board has no AGP slot? |
| 17:14.23 | valdyn | doub: maybe pulling the battery will "fix" it, not sure |
| 17:14.26 | doub | zinx: no vga output |
| 17:14.36 | ididit | karamelos: its DELL Latitude505 - screen type is LCD , i was just cerious to know , if anyone else can assure karamelos please or where can i find the exact answer ? |
| 17:14.41 | doub | zinx: but an unused agp slot |
| 17:14.55 | doub | zinx: and seemingly an in-chipset agp graphic adapter |
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| 17:15.12 | schneiderj | Any idea about my modprobe error ? |
| 17:15.26 | zinx | doub: if it has an on-board video card, then it has output ports |
| 17:15.30 | DwyaneWade | <PROTECTED> |
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| 17:16.01 | zinx | doub: if it has no output ports, then it has no on-board video card :/ |
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| 17:16.28 | karamelos | ididit: LCDs work with LEDs, which just emit light. CRTs on the contraty do emit certain amount of ultraviolet waves, which are reduced by the proper screen coating. |
| 17:16.58 | doub | zinx: the manual says "VGA connector (optional)", but "on-board peripherals: - 1 vga port (IGP only)" |
| 17:17.08 | doub | zinx: i must admit i dont know what that means |
| 17:17.16 | zinx | doub: it means it's only on the IGP model |
| 17:17.19 | procrastinator | Which APT repositories should i have? |
| 17:17.26 | colter | greycat, caphuso: I understand now, thanks |
| 17:17.32 | zinx | doub: i.e., it means exactly what i said |
| 17:17.33 | SPEEDing|V\oNK | internal grafix port? |
| 17:18.10 | zinx | SPEEDing|V\oNK: no, external, on models that actually have an onboard video card |
| 17:18.16 | valdyn | doub: you can look up on that manual too, how to reset cmos |
| 17:18.23 | doub | zinx: so the problem is somewhere else. how come it doesn't display on PCI VGA adapter ? |
| 17:19.01 | zinx | doub: could be a very crappy BIOS and/or motherboard, which doesn't bother to fall back :/ |
| 17:19.05 | doub | zinx: the adapter worked at least before being plugged in that machine. and no BIOS "missing display" beep code |
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| 17:19.22 | zinx | doub: remove the video card and see if it beeps |
| 17:19.29 | zinx | doub: it's possibly the problem is with your RAM |
| 17:19.33 | ididit | karamelos: i'm afraid that my vendor cheated me and gave me a fake LCD one , i think i'll shutdown the pc :'( |
| 17:19.45 | zinx | doub: RAM problems typically cause the machine to not do -anything-, other than run the fans |
| 17:20.19 | doub | valdyn: i didn't have any chance to change BIOS settings, as i never had video display |
| 17:20.47 | doub | valdyn: so i assume the current settings are the default ones, which won't change on CMOS reset |
| 17:20.48 | astronut | je parle un peu francais seulement |
| 17:20.53 | jethro | :fr |
| 17:20.55 | jethro | !fr |
| 17:20.55 | dpkg | Les personnes qui parlent francais et qui ont besoin d'une aide a propos de Debian peuvent venir sur #debian-fr - People speaking french and in need of support for debian, please join #debian-fr |
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| 17:21.10 | zinx | doub: i'm assuming you've never booted this motherboard, of course |
| 17:21.20 | astronut | kkls |
| 17:21.22 | valdyn | doub: yea iknow, but you can reset defaults - that is it. Beside by bad ram your error may just aswell be cause by a fucked cmos |
| 17:21.22 | astronut | wrong channel |
| 17:21.23 | astronut | heh |
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| 17:21.32 | astronut | jethro: i was in debian fr asking questions about french language |
| 17:21.33 | astronut | lol |
| 17:21.39 | paco_ | alguien conoce un chat de kylix o delphi |
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| 17:22.04 | aargh | i'm having cupsys issues |
| 17:22.07 | zinx | doub: another way you can tell.. the BIOS will beep just before trying to boot the (hopefully non-existent) OS |
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| 17:22.24 | doub | zinx: i've never been to the point of hearing the single "everything OK" beep |
| 17:22.36 | aargh | when i apt-get dist-upgraded my system over the weekend, cupsys stopped working, is anyone else here having similar issues? |
| 17:22.38 | zinx | doub: well, it's probably RAM then |
| 17:22.56 | doub | zinx: the only thing i heard was 3 long repeated beeps before, then changed RAM, and now nothing beeps |
| 17:23.11 | zinx | doub: other thing that could do it is power supply, if you have an old one without enough juice on the +/- 12v |
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| 17:23.38 | zinx | doub: nothing == the ram is so bad, it can't even begin to think |
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| 17:24.43 | zinx | doub: try with one stick at a time :/ |
| 17:25.06 | thingfish | those symptoms (sorry if I didn't get them all) could also mean bad cpu. |
| 17:25.17 | zinx | aye |
| 17:25.30 | thingfish | or bad motherboard |
| 17:25.53 | drac | Hmm, this aptitude is kinda confusing. Even help doesn't tell me meaning of this.. "i A scrollkeeper", what is that A there? :o |
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| 17:27.43 | doub | thingfish: this is the 3rd CPU i try, i think i'd have noticed some kind of difference |
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| 17:28.16 | doub | drac: installed automatically, as a dependency from another package |
| 17:28.30 | drac | doub: ah, that explains it. thankyou. |
| 17:28.32 | doub | drac: aptitude help details everything you ever wanted to know |
| 17:28.51 | doub | drac: even the gory details are there |
| 17:28.53 | drac | i didn't see A in aptitude help explained, believe me i looked:) |
| 17:29.14 | drac | or did you mean manpages? (i admit i didn't read those) |
| 17:29.16 | doub | drac: i do believe you, that doesn't mean you looked right ;) |
| 17:29.22 | drac | ok:) |
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| 17:30.13 | doub | zinx: the "best" i have is sometimes 3 long beeps when playing with RAM sticks |
| 17:30.19 | doub | zinx: otherwise nothing |
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| 17:30.29 | FarrisG | Is OTRS a decent request tracking tool? Anyone here use it on debian? |
| 17:30.57 | doub | zinx: which is not even explained on "phoenix bios beep codes" web pages |
| 17:30.58 | thingfish | doub: so you've tried 3 cpus, 2 sets of ram...maybe motherboard then? |
| 17:31.10 | zinx | doub: it has phoenix bios? :o |
| 17:31.35 | doub | thingfish: i hope so. but it's fresh from the store |
| 17:31.39 | zinx | doub: just making sure.. you've only got the power / cpu / ram / video card plugged in, right? |
| 17:31.49 | doub | zinx: yes |
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| 17:31.58 | thingfish | doub: you sure all your various components are compatible. |
| 17:32.38 | doub | thingfish: not 100% shure, but getting information on this matter is difficult |
| 17:32.39 | thingfish | doub: I've seen similar behavior when using ram that the motherboard didn't like. |
| 17:32.46 | thingfish | doub: I hear you. |
| 17:33.44 | zinx | doub: well, take the video card out and see if you can get it to make the video card beep |
| 17:33.47 | thingfish | Some motherboard OEMs have a memory compatibility page, maybe see if yours does. |
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| 17:35.36 | schneiderj | when I type iwconfig, I have as answer : no wireless extensions, but my card is seen by the system |
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| 17:36.32 | ArdomusMorty | my connection 'died' and /etc/init.d/networking restart doesn't work neither does ifup eth0 but restarting works anyone know what reset might do that networking restart doesn't so i can fix this without restarting? or anything else i can try? |
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| 17:39.29 | delta___ | Hi guys! What command could I use for a quick-and-dirty backup of my whole root filesystem to a location _on_the_same_filesystem_? Any suggestions? |
| 17:39.36 | doub | a side question, i have here a voodoo3 AGP (1X, AFAIK) card. how come the mobo AGP slot has a reversed slot (long-short), compared to the voodoo3 (short-long) ? agp 4x/8x is incompatible with 1x ?? |
| 17:39.41 | poli | delta___, man tar ;) |
| 17:40.14 | llvllatrix | hey guys. I'm currently running fluxbox and I have the system setup to run a python script when flux starts. Would it be possible to do something similar when the system powers' on? |
| 17:40.26 | zinx | doub: there's a voltage difference somewhere |
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| 17:40.42 | doub | zinx: removing the PCI video card yelds a 1long-2 short beeps code |
| 17:41.11 | nydust | what is the best netinstaller for woody? |
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| 17:41.12 | zinx | doub: well, that's the video card beep afaik |
| 17:41.17 | zinx | doub: that's award/ami |
| 17:41.19 | nydust | I think my sarge are to buggy |
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| 17:42.23 | doub | zinx: the BIOS chip is "(c) phoenix", but BIOS setup "screenshot" in the manual say "phoenix-award bios cmos setup" |
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| 17:43.19 | valdyn | ArdomusMorty: try: ifdown eth0 , modprobe -r <nicdriver>, modprobe <nicdriver>, ifup eth0 |
| 17:43.24 | streuner | nydust: /msg dpkg netinstall |
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| 17:43.48 | doub | zinx: but even then, that doesn't explain why nothing is displayed. the monitor stays in standby mode |
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| 17:44.08 | streuner | !best |
| 17:44.08 | dpkg | best for what? please define what you mean by "best" Gloria Gaynor! Tina Turner! Aretha Franklin! Men without Hats! Women without Hats! Men at Work! Women at Play! Anyone for Tennis! |
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| 17:45.36 | davis | anybody had any problems with ide-dma and 2.6.10 (deb version) kernels on intel? |
| 17:46.10 | valdyn | davis: yea ( though not me ) |
| 17:46.34 | SPEEDing|V\oNK | CPU Info: AMD Athlon 64 3000+ |
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| 17:46.57 | davis | on two laptops which seemed to work well, I have interrupt errors with DMA. I'm wondeirng if 2.6.11 will fix it. |
| 17:47.28 | promethues | time to sleep now,good night,everyone |
| 17:47.32 | enyc | 'interrupt errros with DMA [???] |
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| 17:48.03 | davis | yah, you get an intterupt when the dma is complete. |
| 17:48.30 | ArdomusMorty | my connection 'died' and /etc/init.d/networking restart doesn't work neither does ifup eth0 but restarting works anyone know what reset might do that networking restart doesn't so i can fix this without restarting? or anything else i can try? |
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| 17:49.28 | ArdomusMorty | ? |
| 17:49.31 | jim | ArdomusMorty: how are you here now? |
| 17:49.35 | davis | yah, what is comata? |
| 17:49.41 | ArdomusMorty | my other computer.. |
| 17:50.04 | jim | restarting works? |
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| 17:50.10 | ArdomusMorty | yea |
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| 17:50.26 | jim | so what happens then? |
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| 17:50.45 | ArdomusMorty | it restarts and works fine |
| 17:50.58 | jim | and so the problem is? :) |
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| 17:51.14 | ArdomusMorty | the problem is it happens everyday |
| 17:51.23 | ArdomusMorty | and i don't want to reset my computer every blah hours |
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| 17:51.45 | jim | you have to find out why it's happening |
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| 17:52.07 | ArdomusMorty | because wireless is a piece of crap |
| 17:52.09 | yang | where are instructions on java for mozzila 1.7.5 |
| 17:52.23 | arturaz | how i can make root be able to login only thru ssh2 keys? |
| 17:52.24 | jim | alllllllllll rightey then :) |
| 17:52.37 | ArdomusMorty | heh |
| 17:53.10 | jim | arturaz: maybe thru an entry in ~root/.ssh/config |
| 17:53.14 | doub | ArdomusMorty: are you using native drivers or ndis ? |
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| 17:53.43 | skrald | I have some questions about software raid that is not answered in the howto. Where do I ask them? |
| 17:53.44 | ArdomusMorty | im usin driverloader |
| 17:54.09 | ixi | Hi. I have DHCPD question. I want it to listen to interface which is not configured when DHCPD start. In other words can I make DHCPD to reread the list of interfaces which it should listen to? |
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| 17:54.41 | jim | ixi: why is it not configured? |
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| 17:54.42 | arturaz | , else no? |
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| 17:55.14 | valdyn | ArdomusMorty: try: ifdown eth0 , modprobe -r <nicdriver>, modprobe <nicdriver>, ifup eth0 |
| 17:55.14 | doub | ixi: you can try starting dhcp later, by modifying the priority in /etc/rc<runlevel>.d/ |
| 17:55.16 | Mash | hallo |
| 17:56.16 | ixi | jim: it is vmware vmnet1 interface. Even if I start dhcp after I start /etc/init.d/vmware - its still not configure when dhcp starting. |
| 17:56.23 | ixi | doub: doesn't help |
| 17:56.54 | doub | ixi: what kind of networking do you use? |
| 17:56.56 | ixi | jim: because vmnet1 ups in background I guess |
| 17:57.15 | ixi | doub: <-- see my answer to jim plz |
| 17:57.18 | ArdomusMorty | valdyn how would i figure out the driver, i've just used driverloader so far |
| 17:57.26 | arturaz | jim, what i should be looking for? |
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| 17:57.59 | valdyn | ArdomusMorty: what the hell is driverloader? |
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| 17:58.36 | jim | arturaz: a man page describing the possible options you can put in a user config file? |
| 17:58.42 | doub | ixi: if you're using bridged networking, it should be able to use the standard dhcpd even if loaded earlier |
| 17:58.50 | arturaz | exactly :) which one is that? |
| 17:59.01 | arturaz | hehe |
| 17:59.03 | arturaz | man config :) |
| 17:59.03 | ArdomusMorty | its some program somebody here suggested i use to setup my wireless card ;\ |
| 17:59.04 | arturaz | lol |
| 17:59.06 | jim | man ssh? |
| 17:59.14 | doub | ixi: otherwise, vmware provides a special dhcp server for other network types |
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| 17:59.19 | jim | man ssh-config? ssh_config/ |
| 17:59.20 | jim | ? |
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| 17:59.29 | ixi | doub: no, its host only w/o vmware-dhcp (I turned it off) |
| 17:59.42 | valdyn | ArdomusMorty: can driverloader remove drivers too? or only load them? |
| 17:59.54 | llahm | How do I convince a GNU-configure based application to use one library in place of another? gdb wants to compile against curses but I want it to use ncurses. |
| 17:59.55 | ArdomusMorty | its also the program thats us robotics site refers to for linux drivers |
| 18:00.05 | jim | you can find out the files installed by a package, dpkg -L packagename |
| 18:00.17 | ArdomusMorty | it can remove them |
| 18:00.21 | arturaz | thanks, jim! |
| 18:00.23 | mrnull | I added contrib non-free to the end of my /etc/apt/sources.list file. But I keep getting errors that non-free isn't on the server |
| 18:00.28 | doub | ixi: why not use the dedicated vmware-dhcp ? |
| 18:00.30 | jim | forexample you could do that to the ssh package to find out what man pages it installed |
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| 18:00.50 | valdyn | ArdomusMorty: so remove and reinsert it with driverloader |
| 18:00.53 | yang | where can i get java plugin for mozilla 1.7.5? |
| 18:01.06 | ixi | doub: using 2 dhcps its not nice to my mind. I'd like to use standard dhcp only and have all configs in one place :) |
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| 18:02.04 | doub | yang: /msg dpkg java |
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| 18:02.54 | doub | ixi: i don't know much about that, but your problem is maybe the precise reason why they developped an external dhcpd? |
| 18:03.08 | valdyn | driverloader uses ndiswrapper, charges money for it and uh? thats it? |
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| 18:04.18 | llahm | valdyn: uh no ndiswrapper is free |
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| 18:04.33 | Pappa | anyone experienced name resolution with samba being reaslly slow? i mean, with ip addresses it's fine, but with using samba as a wins server it takes forever, and doesn't work most times. =/ |
| 18:04.42 | valdyn | llahm: driverloader is sold for $ |
| 18:04.58 | doub | Pappa: it's not a bug, it's a feature. ;) |
| 18:05.13 | llahm | valdyn: ah i see what you mean |
| 18:05.20 | valdyn | llahm: as is ndiswrapper, or linux or debian, that wasnt my point ) |
| 18:05.22 | llahm | valdyn: well you get support, and some more features i think |
| 18:05.30 | valdyn | llahm: i see |
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| 18:05.48 | arturaz | jim, i'm afraid that's for client. i need to permit root login only with pubkey. sth like PermitRootLogin forced-commands-only, but without the command="" part.. |
| 18:06.03 | llahm | valdyn: if you really need your wireless to be reliable, you should probably be using ethernet though, hehe |
| 18:06.10 | llahm | valdyn: so i am not sure i see the point |
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| 18:06.25 | Pappa | and why is it so crappy implented in ms windows? i mean, debian box to debian box transfers using smb on a 100mbit switch has a throughput of ~9.5 megabyte per sec, and debian->windows is like 2-2.5 megs / sec =( |
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| 18:06.28 | aargh | hello, on apt-get upgrading my system, cupsys stopped working and the error message i get is that Section value is missing in line 606 in /usr/sbin/install-docs.. is there anyone else here with similar issues, or can help me with mine? |
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| 18:06.40 | llahm | valdyn: but then again i have terrible luck with wireless in linux, so maybe it would be worth it if i knew it guaranteed me a reliable system |
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| 18:06.53 | llahm | valdyn: i tried both and both performed equally badly |
| 18:07.08 | llahm | valdyn: now i have an atheros pcmcia card, that might work better |
| 18:07.12 | uncleben | switch |
| 18:07.15 | uncleben | ack |
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| 18:07.19 | Pappa | prism54 cards work well, as do intel wireless pro cards |
| 18:07.26 | valdyn | llahm: the free ipw driver(s) work perfectly fine ( even if they rely on nonfree firmware.. ) |
| 18:07.30 | llahm | valdyn: i am going to try it in knoppix soon to see if it's time to switch back to debian |
| 18:07.38 | valdyn | llahm: as does prism stuff i guess |
| 18:07.43 | llahm | valdyn: well all cards rely on nonfree firmware really |
| 18:07.57 | llahm | valdyn: the only difference is how it gets copied there |
| 18:08.03 | doub | Pappa: i bet your problem is about some name resolution that fails. i've seen this once or twice with SMB networks |
| 18:08.07 | valdyn | llahm: yep |
| 18:08.13 | uncleben | Is there any news on the libarts1 package in sarge? |
| 18:08.14 | llahm | valdyn: the only thing, i wonder if the atheros support works on the 108 megabit card |
| 18:08.20 | llahm | valdyn: if not i might have to get a 54 |
| 18:08.24 | yang | doub: isnt there backports for mozilla-java? |
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| 18:08.32 | llahm | valdyn: but fry's sells them for 20 bux or something |
| 18:08.45 | llahm | valdyn: my builtin broadcom mini pci is a good card |
| 18:08.54 | llahm | valdyn: but broadcom is dumb |
| 18:09.00 | doub | yang: i don't know |
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| 18:09.04 | llahm | valdyn: and the loader driver does not work well at all |
| 18:09.09 | nksen | does this nvidia one-liner from dpkg really work ? |
| 18:09.13 | Pappa | doub: say, the wins server's host name is jochr. accessing it through konqueror with address line smb://jochr on the same box works fine, but on the lan, on the clients, it doesn't. |
| 18:09.19 | valdyn | nksen: yea |
| 18:09.23 | Pappa | seems like it just doesnt register names |
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| 18:09.32 | nksen | valdyn: though I'm running sarge instead of sid? |
| 18:09.39 | llahm | well time for me to go |
| 18:09.40 | doub | Pappa: same workgroup everywhere ? |
| 18:09.44 | Pappa | yes |
| 18:09.45 | valdyn | !nvidia one-liner |
| 18:09.46 | dpkg | it has been said that nvidia one-liner is apt-get install kernel-headers-$(uname -r) build-essential module-assistant && apt-get install -t unstable nvidia-kernel-common nvidia-kernel-source && m-a a-i nvidia && apt-get install -t unstable nvidia-glx nvidia-settings && echo nvidia >> /etc/modules && modprobe nvidia && dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xfree86. Contrib, non-free, sid sources all needed. see <quick sid/sarge mix> and <non-free sources> |
| 18:09.50 | doub | Pappa: and same physical media ? |
| 18:10.05 | jim | that's one hell of a one liner |
| 18:10.09 | Pappa | doub: ata disks.. yeah |
| 18:10.18 | nksen | damn, overread it, thx |
| 18:10.19 | valdyn | nksen: iirc sarge has the packages too now, i thought someone adjusted the factoid too |
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| 18:10.27 | doub | Pappa: no, i mean, all hosts are on the same subnet ? |
| 18:10.36 | doub | Pappa: (physical subnet) |
| 18:10.38 | llahm | jim: you should see what i do at work with awk / bash / ksh / c++ ;-) |
| 18:10.39 | valdyn | !info nvidia-glx sarge |
| 18:10.48 | llahm | jim: c++ one-liners are really deluxe |
| 18:11.06 | Pappa | yeh 255.255.255.0 |
| 18:11.07 | sepski | Pappa, and all clients are configured with the wins server ip ? |
| 18:11.16 | jim | and with tcl, you're forced to make things appear to be one-liners |
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| 18:11.20 | Pappa | sepski: yes, through dhcp3-server |
| 18:11.27 | llahm | jim: oh yeah, i HATE that language |
| 18:11.34 | sepski | Pappa, and the correct netbios query type |
| 18:11.36 | llahm | jim: they force you to use their brace style and stuff |
| 18:11.39 | llahm | jim: yecch |
| 18:11.42 | jim | I don't -hate- it... |
| 18:11.44 | nksen | valdyn: I'll just try it |
| 18:11.52 | aargh | !cupsys |
| 18:11.53 | dpkg | it has been said that cupsys is 'apt-get install cupsys cupsys-bsd' on server and 'cupsys-client cupsys-bsd' on clients. Visit http://127.0.0.1:631/ to configure it. For local, parallel port printers, Device URI is parallel:/dev/lp0 |
| 18:12.02 | valdyn | nksen: ok i was wrong, "/msg dpkg simple sid/sarge mix" should be able to fix this |
| 18:12.02 | Pappa | sepski: which would be.. (sorry, i donęt really know too much about netbios networks) |
| 18:12.03 | llahm | jim: well here we have an app where all extensions must be written in a custom tcl variant |
| 18:12.06 | Pappa | i set it to 8 |
| 18:12.07 | jim | you can always use \<enter> |
| 18:12.12 | Pappa | the node-type that is |
| 18:12.19 | sepski | <PROTECTED> |
| 18:12.19 | doub | Pappa: you can try analysing network traffic with ethereal |
| 18:12.24 | llahm | jim: one of the rules is, comments may not appear in any place where a statement may not appear |
| 18:12.29 | llahm | jim: drives me nuts |
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| 18:12.43 | valdyn | !why is nvidia-glx not in testing |
| 18:12.44 | dpkg | nvidia-glx is not in testing for the reasons listed in http://bjorn.haxx.se/debian/testing.pl?package=nvidia-glx |
| 18:12.45 | jim | yeah, that's a problem |
| 18:12.52 | nksen | valdyn: great, thx |
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| 18:13.02 | jim | should be able to comment anywhere |
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| 18:13.15 | greycat | llahm: I've been bitten by that *more* than once in Tcl. |
| 18:13.41 | jim | I've been bitten by a lot of things more than once in tcl... |
| 18:13.42 | llahm | greycat: ah, so i'm not alone |
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| 18:13.48 | llahm | i feel better now |
| 18:13.56 | llahm | well back to work |
| 18:13.58 | llahm | bye! |
| 18:14.04 | Pappa | when will unstable move to python 2.4 ? |
| 18:14.19 | jim | like its lack of arithmetic, which it compensates for by adding an expr cmd |
| 18:14.38 | xst | I have a bunch of raid questions. Here is my first one: I have a configuration with a spare disk. When a disk crashes this spare disk takes it place. But what happens with the role of this sparedisk when the broken disk is replaced? Does it revert to its old role as spare? |
| 18:14.46 | xst | software raid |
| 18:15.02 | xst | Or where do I ask such questions? |
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| 18:15.59 | PEACEYALL | hi |
| 18:16.04 | Debian\Pwns | hey can anyone help .. i am gettni this error msg on my eggdrop |
| 18:16.06 | Debian\Pwns | [19:14] Tcl error [isonline]: couldn't open "isonline": permission denied |
| 18:16.08 | PEACEYALL | wats the command to execute the gnome main menu?? |
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| 18:16.30 | greycat | gnome has a menu? |
| 18:16.36 | PEACEYALL | :/ |
| 18:16.53 | adapt | gnome-panel? |
| 18:16.59 | PEACEYALL | grey cat , when u click the main menu button , it opens this main menu like the strat button |
| 18:17.02 | PEACEYALL | in windows |
| 18:17.13 | sepski | Pappa, and your _realy_ sure that you have enabled wins server in samba ? that it's not taking long becouse it timesout on a wins requests and fallback to broudcast ? |
| 18:17.21 | takatumi | gnomenu? |
| 18:17.29 | greycat | PEACEYALL: uh, that sounds like the panel. |
| 18:17.33 | adapt | PEACEYALL, there is no command for it. you run it from the panel |
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| 18:17.54 | Pappa | sepski: wins support = yes |
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| 18:17.57 | Pappa | :) |
| 18:18.15 | PEACEYALL | adapt there has to be a command for it cause if there was no then it wont exist :/ |
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| 18:18.41 | adapt | PEACEYALL, no |
| 18:18.48 | adapt | PEACEYALL, its an applet. |
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| 18:19.09 | gibarian | Hello everyone.... |
| 18:19.13 | PEACEYALL | ok look , i wana put that main menu button on StarterBar , how do i do that ?? |
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| 18:19.17 | adapt | PEACEYALL, right click on the menu and add applet. "main menu" |
| 18:19.26 | adapt | PEACEYALL, you cant |
| 18:19.32 | adapt | its an applet for gnome-panel |
| 18:19.34 | Debian\Pwns | hey can anyone help .. i am gettni this error msg on my eggdrop >> [19:14] Tcl error [isonline]: couldn't open "isonline": permission denied |
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| 18:19.40 | PEACEYALL | there has to be a way |
| 18:19.55 | furrywolf | argh. how the heck am I supposed to revert vandalism on wikipedia when it takes 5 minutes to load anything? blah. |
| 18:19.55 | adapt | no |
| 18:19.56 | gibarian | I'm having an odd problem with audio CDs and konqueror...anyone mind listening to my problem? |
| 18:19.57 | greycat | PEACEYALL: if you don't believe us, as a GNOME channel. |
| 18:20.14 | PEACEYALL | i beleive u |
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| 18:20.31 | PEACEYALL | but is there any way i can get the main meu on StarterBar |
| 18:20.40 | Ronin | Debian\Pwns: tried on #eggdrop? |
| 18:20.55 | takatumi | PEACEYALL: delete the starterbar. |
| 18:21.12 | Linuxs | ls |
| 18:21.12 | PEACEYALL | :/ |
| 18:21.49 | Debian\Pwns | there is no #eggdrop |
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| 18:22.01 | Debian\Pwns | Oh ye |
| 18:22.13 | greycat | Debian\Pwns: well, "permission denied" is pretty clear. |
| 18:22.35 | gibarian | alright...I'll just pose my problem: konqueror doesn't recognize my audio CDs..KCreator does, K3B as well...kio-slaves are installed...what am I missing? |
| 18:22.38 | Ronin | Debian\Pwns: there surely is |
| 18:22.40 | Debian\Pwns | erm can anyone tell me how i can search for or find isonline ?æ |
| 18:22.46 | greycat | dear god. |
| 18:23.05 | greycat | locate isonline || find / -type f -name '*isonline*' |
| 18:23.06 | adapt | Debian\Pwns, google.com |
| 18:23.10 | Debian\Pwns | Invalid Syntax: Dear God. Your message |
| 18:23.23 | Debian\Pwns | ta :) |
| 18:23.34 | Debian\Pwns | i did try google by the way .. i aint that much of a fuckwit |
| 18:24.09 | stew | Debian\Pwns: or use strace |
| 18:24.14 | mngrif | furrywolf: huh huh.. he said fuckwit |
| 18:24.16 | Ronin | Debian\Pwns: looked on www.egghelp.org also? |
| 18:24.33 | Debian\Pwns | no :| |
| 18:24.55 | Linuxs | I am trying to call with Skype, I can hear the sound but the microphone does not work? |
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| 18:25.02 | greycat | !skype |
| 18:25.02 | dpkg | hmm... skype is a free (beer) voip application that is cross platform. See http://www.skype.com/, or based on propriatery, closed-source protocols |
| 18:25.18 | greycat | jesus. who's the spelling-challenged one? |
| 18:25.41 | greycat | dpkg, skype =~ s/propriatery/proprietary/ |
| 18:25.41 | dpkg | greycat: OK |
| 18:25.42 | Ronin | greycat: usually anyone on irc |
| 18:25.43 | idnar | yikes |
| 18:25.52 | adapt | !torsmo |
| 18:26.03 | Pappa | any free (speech) voip applications? |
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| 18:26.21 | PEACEYALL | adapt so if there is no command to open the gnome main menu popup how come there is for kde menu , the kde menu is : dcop kicker kicker popupKMenu 0 |
| 18:26.25 | Linuxs | Pappa: skype, net2phone, |
| 18:26.27 | zinx | Pappa: yes |
| 18:26.43 | greycat | PEACEYALL: ASK A FUCKING GNOME CHANNEL. We do not know. |
| 18:26.46 | zinx | Pappa: apt-cache search voip |
| 18:26.54 | Pappa | Asterix? |
| 18:27.05 | dambodog | anyone from nyc? |
| 18:27.13 | stew | dambodog: yeah |
| 18:27.13 | hacim | i've got a thinkpad 600e laptop, and for some reason my text scrolling in xterms is painfully slow, what should I look to change? |
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| 18:27.28 | zinx | hacim: change DefaultDepth from 24 to 16 |
| 18:27.31 | stew | Pappa: apt-cache search sip phone ; iaxcomm ; asterisk |
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| 18:27.42 | stew | Pappa: http://voip-info.org |
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| 18:28.06 | valdyn | hacim: try xterm, try to use a different video driver |
| 18:28.07 | hacim | zinx: I'll give it a shot thanks |
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| 18:28.34 | zinx | hacim: the neomagic in those is horrificly slow at 24bpp |
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| 18:29.15 | hacim | zinx: I noticed :) |
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| 18:30.47 | mattybats2 | anyone know how to resize gnome desktop? |
| 18:30.55 | mattybats2 | somehow it got all big on me |
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| 18:31.18 | pahvi | hacim: have you get sound working on your laptop? |
| 18:31.29 | ozzloy | mattybats2, you mean decrease the resolution? |
| 18:31.40 | hacim | pahvi: not reliably at all, I had it working once, and then it stopped :P |
| 18:31.43 | ecivo | hey guys, im installing the dri-3D-drivers for my RADEON7500, and the S3TC-lib doesn't compile... |
| 18:31.46 | mattybats2 | no, i mean my whole desktop is zoomed in |
| 18:31.55 | ecivo | anyone with a tip on this? |
| 18:32.01 | mattybats2 | like i have to pan around the screen to get to the time |
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| 18:32.22 | pahvi | hacim: there is couple of tricks that you have todo. sound chip in 600e is totally crap. |
| 18:32.28 | mattybats2 | it started up like this, but i think i probly hit some keys as it boot up to cause it |
| 18:32.46 | magnus | how many packages are there in debian? |
| 18:32.49 | ecivo | mattybats2, tried running xf86config to make a new configfile & rebooting? |
| 18:32.53 | greycat | magnus: Lots. |
| 18:32.56 | mngrif | mattybats2: try hitting ctrl+alt++ and - on the numpad |
| 18:33.02 | mngrif | see if that helps.. hit it a few times |
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| 18:33.19 | carlos-d-man | how may I see how much RAM is being used by a certain process? |
| 18:33.19 | magnus | grey: yeah, i know, but i would like to know how many :) cant find it anywhere. |
| 18:33.22 | hacim | pahvi: you are telling me, do you know what those tricks are? websites on the subject aren't that good |
| 18:33.34 | WolfCub | Mangus: around 14500 in the /main tree. |
| 18:33.40 | ozzloy | mattybats2, idk, that's a weird one. i would try decreasing the res. just to see if that works |
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| 18:33.50 | jc_ | good afternoon |
| 18:33.51 | pahvi | hacim: have you got 2.4 or 2.6 kernel? |
| 18:33.53 | ecivo | carlos-d-man, top is your friend :) |
| 18:33.54 | jc_ | What's best file system for squid cache ? |
| 18:33.57 | hacim | pahvi: 2.6 |
| 18:34.03 | ecivo | type it in the terminal... |
| 18:34.06 | mattybats2 | mngrif: just make my screen flash black for a sec |
| 18:34.09 | SocketERR | does anyone know a apt source for enlightenment-17 (experimental)? |
| 18:34.11 | mngrif | jc_: ricerfs? |
| 18:34.22 | mattybats2 | i could probly restart, but now i'm curious as to what controls this |
| 18:34.25 | carlos-d-man | thanks |
| 18:34.33 | mngrif | mattybats2: yeah, check in your x conf if a virtual screen size is set |
| 18:34.33 | WolfCub | Mngrif: you mean reiserfs? |
| 18:34.43 | jc_ | only partition of squid mngrif ? |
| 18:34.49 | mngrif | WolfCub: yeah, ricerfs :P.. sorry, old gentoo joke |
| 18:34.49 | sepski | Pappa, have you checked your wins database too see if your other samba/windows hosts have registered ? /var/lib/samba/wins.dat |
| 18:34.56 | WolfCub | Lol ok ;) |
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| 18:35.07 | ecivo | hey guys, im installing the dri-3D-drivers for my RADEON7500, and the S3TC-lib doesn't compile... |
| 18:35.10 | ecivo | anyone with a tip on this? |
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| 18:35.42 | directhex | ecivo, why not just use the supplied DRI in xfree86? |
| 18:35.43 | WolfCub | <PROTECTED> |
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| 18:36.12 | mattybats2 | mngrif: what type of line am i looking for in x config? |
| 18:36.15 | pahvi | hacim: aucht.. anyway . in 2.4 you have manually reinstall module after boot with correct parameters (/sbin/rmmod cs4232 ;/sbin/modprobe cs4232 io=0x530 irq=5 dma=0 dma2=1 in my computer) or you can make startup script or something |
| 18:36.23 | ecivo | hey, wolf :) hm, I got the packages via apt from the server of the dri-project |
| 18:36.24 | Fyre | whoops |
| 18:36.38 | mngrif | mattybats2: should be near the bottom... onesec |
| 18:36.44 | ecivo | and ran the script drm-build |
| 18:37.08 | ecivo | after the stuff is installed and the kernel modules are build and module.deb updated |
| 18:37.08 | hacim | pahvi: I'll give that a try |
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| 18:37.14 | WolfCub | Ecivo: well, I installed mine a while ago but I got another rig with a 7500 in it, ill install on it later tonight or tomorrow and see exactly how to install DRI |
| 18:37.27 | mngrif | mattybats2: yeah, near the bottom in the "Screen" section |
| 18:37.35 | ecivo | the textrue compression library needs to be compiled and this fails... |
| 18:37.37 | mattybats2 | you know how you can zoom in on a window in gnome by doing ctrl++ thats kind of like what happ what happened with my whole desktop |
| 18:37.40 | WolfCub | Its not that hard though, I remember only spending a half hour getting it running. |
| 18:37.44 | WolfCub | Worked fine for me. |
| 18:37.50 | WolfCub | Ill try again though. |
| 18:38.31 | mattybats2 | mngrif: nothing in the screen section that implies a virtual screen |
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| 18:38.55 | ecivo | WolfCub, I'll leave IRC Open, would you be so nice, to write me a query about how you got the S3TC lib compiled? |
| 18:38.56 | mngrif | mattybats2: that's just wierd. |
| 18:39.11 | WolfCub | Ecivo: yeah I will once I get around to doing it :) |
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| 18:39.26 | WolfCub | <PROTECTED> |
| 18:39.29 | hacim | pahvi: yeah you are right, it was the 16 vs. 24 |
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| 18:39.49 | mattybats2 | i think the hackers got me |
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| 18:40.22 | ecivo | WolfCub, thanks very much, I haven't got any idea of how to manually compile (yet), so I'd be greatfully thankfull for any suggestions... |
| 18:40.22 | pahvi | hacim: my "main" computer is 600e ;) |
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| 18:40.36 | ecivo | and by the way I never expect anything... ;-) |
| 18:41.02 | WolfCub | To manually compile, you just need to extract the .tar file and from inside it run ./configure, make, and make install. |
| 18:41.27 | WolfCub | Most programs are set up to be easily compilable. |
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| 18:42.06 | WolfCub | What exactly did you try to do to compile that lib? |
| 18:42.12 | poli_off | http://www.wired.com/news/privacy/0,1848,67223,00.html |
| 18:42.16 | WolfCub | And what error did it return? |
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| 18:43.42 | ecivo | I just ran the script wich should automatically compile it, Ill send you the error output in a querry (pretty long) |
| 18:43.51 | WolfCub | Ok. |
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| 18:45.06 | JoeHippie | question : I am installing debian on this system , but i have a set of scsi drives . the controller needs to be set with the drives i have. it is a compaq smart array 221 and i cannot locate software for it . any ideas? |
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| 18:45.51 | LoRez | JoeHippie: use the bios or the bootable cd that came with it to initialize the RAID |
| 18:46.20 | ralfWORK | anyone messed with kerberos on debian/sarge? |
| 18:46.45 | ralfWORK | I get this error when I try to kinit a user: kinit: converting creds: Cannot contact any KDC for requested realm |
| 18:46.54 | JoeHippie | LoRez I do not have the cd . and the bios will not let me set it up |
| 18:47.09 | LoRez | then call compaq? |
| 18:47.22 | JoeHippie | i did |
| 18:47.27 | JoeHippie | thats why i am here |
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| 18:48.10 | dambodog | stew, are you from nyc? |
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| 18:48.42 | dambodog | where do i setup the path for JAVA_HOME and PLUGIN_HOME? |
| 18:49.08 | JoeHippie | dambodog man set |
| 18:49.26 | Delph | q//asdf/win 2 |
| 18:50.34 | js | i got a partition i cant modify (i need to change it to type 0x8E, but after a write its just reset to the old type) |
| 18:50.37 | js | what do i do? |
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| 18:55.13 | thames | hey whats the diff between /dev/adsp and /dev/dsp ? |
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| 18:55.50 | streuner | thames: /dev/dsp is what OSS uses |
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| 18:57.17 | thames | streuner so what adsp |
| 18:59.01 | stew | dambodog: i live in brooklyn, why? |
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| 19:01.27 | hacim | I'm trying to install kernel-image-2.6.8-2-686, but during postinst it complains: |
| 19:01.30 | hacim | mdadm: md device /dev/md1 does not appear to be active. |
| 19:01.32 | hacim | but I have no /dev/md1 at all |
| 19:01.34 | hacim | /usr/sbin/mkinitrd: mdadm -D /dev/md1 failed |
| 19:01.48 | DwyaneWad1 | may i report a Debian bug? |
| 19:02.01 | chealer | DwyaneWad1: of course |
| 19:02.02 | hacim | DwyaneWad1: to report a bug use the debian bug tracking system |
| 19:02.28 | DwyaneWad1 | if you type man make and fo with page down to the bottom then press quickly page up you will see it says "ignored" all over the screen for some fractions of second |
| 19:02.31 | DwyaneWad1 | try it yourself |
| 19:02.56 | shingouz | !bts DwyaneWad1 |
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| 19:03.20 | shingouz | !tell DwyaneWad1 about bts |
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| 19:03.25 | streuner | thames: ALSA |
| 19:03.25 | chealer | DwyaneWad1: "and fo"? |
| 19:03.28 | ThE-FurIouS | bonsoir |
| 19:03.32 | chealer | !fr |
| 19:03.32 | dpkg | Les personnes qui parlent francais et qui ont besoin d'une aide a propos de Debian peuvent venir sur #debian-fr - People speaking french and in need of support for debian, please join #debian-fr |
| 19:03.42 | cahoot | thames: this might of interest http://howtos.linux.com/howtos/Alsa-sound-6.shtml |
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| 19:03.57 | DwyaneWad1 | does it show that to you too? |
| 19:04.08 | DwyaneWad1 | fo=go |
| 19:04.44 | chealer | DwyaneWad1: no |
| 19:05.36 | Paganist | Hi everyone, i type an iptable command right in shell but when i iptables -L i don't see no change.... anyone know what crap i have done again ? |
| 19:05.40 | DwyaneWad1 | then i won't reprot anybug |
| 19:05.55 | DwyaneWad1 | but hav eidea why it sais Segmentation fault when i shutdown from linux? |
| 19:05.57 | chealer | DwyaneWad1: that's sometimes wise |
| 19:06.22 | Delph | DwyaneWad1: which part of the shutdown process produces the Segmentation Fault? |
| 19:06.45 | Delph | find this out, then you've got a better chance of tracking down which program is responsible. |
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| 19:07.19 | DwyaneWad1 | line 48 in S90halt |
| 19:07.22 | DwyaneWad1 | basically the last |
| 19:07.26 | DwyaneWad1 | this one: halt -d -f -i $poweroff $hddown |
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| 19:08.17 | DwyaneWad1 | i can here the hard disk stopping then it says segm. fault |
| 19:08.25 | DwyaneWad1 | and when i simply touch the power button it turns off |
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| 19:08.33 | DwyaneWad1 | i don't need to hold it several seconds |
| 19:09.47 | DwyaneWad1 | any idea? |
| 19:10.03 | DwyaneWad1 | should i cut those options -d -f ? |
| 19:10.06 | Delph | why are you forcing halt? |
| 19:10.11 | Delph | DwyaneWad1: why do you have them in there? |
| 19:10.12 | DwyaneWad1 | i don't |
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| 19:10.25 | DwyaneWad1 | never modified them |
| 19:10.34 | DwyaneWad1 | that was how debian was instaleld |
| 19:10.41 | DwyaneWad1 | by default i guess |
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| 19:10.50 | defsy | Paganist: did you insert/add it to a table with like -t nat? than you's need to specify that with -L too |
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| 19:11.13 | Paganist | iptables -t nat -A PREROUTING -p tcp -d 10.3.7.20 --dport 80 -j REDIRECT --to-port 80 |
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| 19:11.17 | Paganist | this is my line |
| 19:11.22 | Delph | oh, that's in your shutdown script, not what you're calling to shutdown. |
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| 19:11.30 | defsy | Paganist: try: iptables -t nat -L |
| 19:11.34 | Paganist | oh |
| 19:11.52 | Paganist | ok |
| 19:11.56 | Paganist | it is in there |
| 19:12.02 | Paganist | but it doesn't works |
| 19:13.54 | valdyn | DwyaneWad1: did you check the bts for this segmentation fault? or google for "segmentation fault halt" or somesuch |
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| 19:14.17 | simonrvn | idiot |
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| 19:14.24 | Richboxbob | <PROTECTED> |
| 19:14.31 | simonrvn | @ops Richboxbob is spouting nonsense |
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| 19:14.33 | zinx | we have a winner |
| 19:14.33 | ravenbird | Hydroxide, bob2, caphuso, dondelelcaro, doogie, eeyore-, ElectricElf, greycat, helix, ljlane, LoRez, mentor, Netsnipe, TML, walters, xk: Richboxbob is spouting nonsense |
| 19:14.36 | simonrvn | thanks |
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| 19:15.13 | simonrvn | *plonk* |
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| 19:15.44 | mwilson | What was that all about? |
| 19:16.02 | Ronin | other then another day another dummy mwilson i presume |
| 19:16.18 | HenryV | besides "when it's done," are there any indications when KDE 3.4 might be available for sid? I realize there is sarge stabilization on going, but i am still curious |
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| 19:16.37 | mwilson | HenryV: When someone uploads it. |
| 19:16.40 | simonrvn | mwilson: beats me with a 2x4 |
| 19:17.26 | DwyaneWad1 | they all say segmentation fautl from xmms, gcc something etc. |
| 19:17.31 | dondelelcaro | HenryV: see #debian-kde |
| 19:17.36 | DwyaneWad1 | but simply if i turn on and then shutdown computer it returns that |
| 19:17.38 | holo | anyone here having problems with ssl encryption over gaim? |
| 19:17.38 | mwilson | It's only KDE, after all... nothing to get excited about. |
| 19:17.46 | HenryV | thank you dondelelcaro |
| 19:17.56 | dondelelcaro | holo: if they were, they would have filed a bug in the BTS |
| 19:17.59 | HenryV | mwilson: who's excited...? |
| 19:18.28 | oskie | anyone know what nick Colin Watson goes by on irc? |
| 19:18.44 | DwyaneWad1 | should i try to remove the options -d and -f? |
| 19:18.48 | holo | dondelelcaro: it just happened hours ago, i installed gaim again, and it says that it needs ssl encrytion, ssl in gaim is a compile time option |
| 19:18.50 | DwyaneWad1 | is it any danger? |
| 19:18.52 | DwyaneWad1 | i guess not |
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| 19:19.00 | dondelelcaro | oskie: uh... if you want to talk to him, you should know how to find that information out |
| 19:19.04 | valdyn | DwyaneWad1: i think -p is crashing you |
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| 19:19.22 | holo | dondelelcaro: i guess i will install gaim from unstable :s |
| 19:19.50 | streuner | oskie: why do you want talk to him? |
| 19:19.57 | oskie | dondelelcaro: uh oh, i didn't know it was secret! anyway it says on db.debian.org his nick is 'Kamion' :) |
| 19:20.12 | dondelelcaro | oskie: well, then you know how to find out what is nick is. |
| 19:20.19 | valdyn | DwyaneWad1: i dont completely remember, so, disabling apm in your bios *might* avoid soft power off ( and consequenrly the segfault |
| 19:20.41 | oskie | streuner: it's regarding copyright/licensing of some files for a project of mine |
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| 19:21.06 | dondelelcaro | oskie: it's not that it's secret, it's just a reasonable bar to make sure that people don't harass maintainers that don't want to be harassed... ;-) |
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| 19:22.05 | oskie | dondelelcaro: yes, but do you think debian maintainers are often harassed on irc? |
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| 19:23.29 | jharrisonwk | hey |
| 19:23.37 | streuner | oskie: we have no statistics about ;-) |
| 19:23.39 | jharrisonwk | what US state code is MD? |
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| 19:23.48 | dondelelcaro | oskie: occasionally. I just don't want to be an enabling agent for that harassment if it happens. |
| 19:23.51 | simonrvn | maryland? |
| 19:23.52 | shingouz | maryland iirc |
| 19:23.56 | jharrisonwk | ok thanks |
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| 19:25.20 | mwilson | oskie: You can't just e-mail him for some reason? |
| 19:25.28 | DwyaneWad1 | valdyn: but windows can do the power off |
| 19:25.35 | DwyaneWad1 | what is apm? |
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| 19:25.45 | oskie | mwilson: i did... i guess i should wait a little longer! :) |
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| 19:26.24 | valdyn | DwyaneWad1: do things 1 by 1 first find IF that is where it seg faults, then try fixing |
| 19:27.58 | DwyaneWad1 | ok i will |
| 19:27.59 | streuner | !tell DwyaneWad1 about apm |
| 19:28.03 | valdyn | DwyaneWad1: windows also has drivers for this by the producer of your mainboard, linux doesnt |
| 19:28.10 | DwyaneWad1 | so there could make no damage if i cut those options |
| 19:28.58 | valdyn | DwyaneWad1: well, not doing a sync would be ugly |
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| 19:32.08 | DwyaneWad1 | so is that dangerous or not? |
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| 19:32.44 | mwilson | Augh! |
| 19:32.49 | DwyaneWad1 | not to do sync is -n as i see |
| 19:33.15 | Windows95 | what's up? |
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| 19:33.37 | takatumi | heh |
| 19:33.50 | travisat | Windows95: not you |
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| 19:34.29 | Windows95 | I'm the newest and greatest most efficient thing since 3.1 |
| 19:34.31 | cidrutz | !webmin |
| 19:34.31 | dpkg | from memory, webmin is a lame web-based interface for unsafe system administration for Unix. Using any browser that supports tables and forms, you can setup user accounts, internet services, DNS, file sharing and so on. Check it out at http://www.webmin.com/webmin/ but, remember, dondelelcaro *hates* webmin. don't use it!, or "i'd rather sit on the floor shoving table knives into live electrical outlets than run webmin on an exposed server." g) |
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| 19:35.20 | streuner | Windows95: /msg dpkg d-i |
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| 19:36.00 | Windows95 | no thankyou |
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| 19:36.36 | travisat | Windows95: so why are you here? |
| 19:36.48 | huliganz | :) |
| 19:36.53 | takatumi | Windows95: no BSODs today? |
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| 19:37.04 | Windows95 | not yet thank god |
| 19:37.08 | Petro | What script does deb-installer use to determine what other OSs are on the HDs and configures grup accordingly? can I use it after an install? |
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| 19:37.34 | Petro | grub* |
| 19:37.42 | Windows95 | I actually use Debian at home, but my friend is using XP |
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| 19:37.59 | shingouz | Windows95: slap him with a cluebat |
| 19:38.07 | ali7288 | my mouse isn't working....... |
| 19:38.08 | Windows95 | but anyway |
| 19:38.12 | ali7288 | can anyone help me? |
| 19:38.13 | valdyn | DwyaneWad1: read this: https://lists.dulug.duke.edu/pipermail/dulug/2002-March/011120.html |
| 19:38.18 | Windows95 | oh |
| 19:38.20 | ali7288 | im using gdm without a mouse |
| 19:38.30 | Windows95 | I have a debian question |
| 19:38.39 | streuner | ali7288: buy a mouse then? |
| 19:38.42 | ali7288 | man |
| 19:38.45 | ali7288 | i have a mouse |
| 19:38.47 | shingouz | ali7288: a bit more information please? usb mouse? ps/2 mouse? did it work in the forst place? |
| 19:38.48 | streuner | oh |
| 19:38.49 | greycat | streuner: too logical. |
| 19:38.51 | ali7288 | ps/2 |
| 19:38.58 | greycat | !2.6 mouse |
| 19:38.58 | dpkg | from memory, 2.6 mouse is modprobe psmouse; modprobe mousedev; echo -e "psmouse\nmousedev" >> /etc/modules; then read http://kerneltrap.org/node/view/2199 or see the #Debian FAQ (http://www.linuks.mine.nu/debian-faq-wiki/OtherHardware (#1.3)) |
| 19:38.59 | ali7288 | yeah i just installed my system yesterday |
| 19:39.13 | Windows95 | at home I have a dual boot, but the clock is fucked up in Debian, but fine in Windows |
| 19:39.15 | greycat | !details |
| 19:39.15 | dpkg | If you want help on a topic, you HAVE to say more than "it doesn't work, help!" or else you'll get no help whatsoever. Give as many details as you can or else no one can give any suggestions. For most questions, you should at least give your arch (i386 for most people), your Debian version, and your kernel version. Give exact error messages where applicable. |
| 19:39.21 | Windows95 | why? |
| 19:39.28 | Windows95 | how do I fix it? |
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| 19:39.30 | travisat | Windows95: npt |
| 19:39.32 | __rockstar | BEARDS! |
| 19:39.35 | shingouz | Windows95: how badly is it fooked up |
| 19:39.39 | greycat | Windows95: you probably have a UTC vs. localtime issue. check /etc/default/rcS |
| 19:39.44 | greycat | Windows95: also run tzconfig |
| 19:39.48 | __rockstar | alright. |
| 19:40.00 | travisat | !nptd |
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| 19:40.08 | greycat | !set the time |
| 19:40.09 | shingouz | !ntpd |
| 19:40.09 | dpkg | To set the time in debian, use date --set. The truly enlightened user, however, will install ntpdate and ntp-simple to have their clock set automatically on reboot, and slewed to match time servers exactly, respectively. You may also need to run tzconfig and make sure you have the right UTC setting in /etc/default/rcS first. |
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| 19:40.29 | travisat | damn lysdexia |
| 19:40.46 | shingouz | yea. maybe some caffeine wuold hlep? |
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| 19:41.02 | Windows95 | it's like 12 hours ahead |
| 19:41.06 | DwyaneWad1 | tehre is no -p in that shutdown line so taht it could crash me |
| 19:41.10 | DwyaneWad1 | it's -d -f and -i |
| 19:41.48 | shingouz | Windows95: i am guessing you need to run tzconfig to set it right |
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| 19:42.09 | ricky_clarkson | Did somebody come in here and say BEARDS? |
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| 19:42.17 | shingouz | ricky_clarkson: yes |
| 19:42.22 | ricky_clarkson | Sorry, my fault (indirectly). |
| 19:42.28 | shingouz | ? |
| 19:42.28 | Pappa | strange |
| 19:42.41 | ricky_clarkson | A student of mine, being stupid. |
| 19:43.00 | __rockstar | stupid. |
| 19:43.02 | __rockstar | come now. |
| 19:43.05 | Pappa | a box refused to restart properly and just hung there after init was done |
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| 19:43.25 | Pappa | ..after init 6 appeared to be done. |
| 19:43.36 | __rockstar | Im probably the most intellegent, egotistical and arrogant student you have. |
| 19:43.43 | travisat | not likely |
| 19:43.46 | __rockstar | also, i cant type particularly well. |
| 19:43.52 | Windows95 | it's set to the right time zone |
| 19:44.10 | Pappa | and you like yellow walls. |
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| 19:44.21 | shingouz | Windows95: maybe your bios is set 12 hours off and doze cannot see it? |
| 19:44.27 | Windows95 | when it boots it mentions system time and that's correct and then it shows a fucked up time |
| 19:44.57 | Pappa | Windows95: just run tzconfig? |
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| 19:45.31 | shingouz | Windows95: there is also the matter of 12 vs. 24 hour clocks of course ;) |
| 19:45.55 | streuner | !congratulate Overfiend |
| 19:45.55 | dpkg | Nice one Overfiend, you did it! |
| 19:46.00 | Windows95 | I go by 24 hour time |
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| 19:46.14 | Overfiend | streuner: thanks :) |
| 19:46.17 | Windows95 | I'm in the military, haven't used 12h in years |
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| 19:46.28 | chealer | oh, He's here! |
| 19:46.39 | Phated | Cripes, have we got to start capitalising He now? |
| 19:46.46 | nydust | i have just installed woody and it has kernel 2.2... shuld i upgrade? |
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| 19:46.51 | ricky_clarkson | Phated: He He He. |
| 19:46.52 | travisat | yes |
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| 19:47.03 | Phated | Oh dear. |
| 19:47.03 | Overfiend | Phated: no, please don't :) |
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| 19:47.07 | Phated | Overfiend: :) |
| 19:47.14 | Qerub | I just got "eth1: duplicate address detected!". And eth1 is the NIC that is connected to internet. Should I be worried? |
| 19:47.14 | ricky_clarkson | I go by 12 hour time. I work a 4 hour day. |
| 19:47.31 | Qerub | My internet connection has been really flaky today. |
| 19:47.31 | scarynetworkguy | Overfiend: Congrats man. I really like what I've read so far about the scud group. |
| 19:48.02 | Overfiend | scarynetworkguy: There may be more about it in the NewsForge article that's supposed to come out today. |
| 19:48.09 | Pappa | is there an easy way to draw striped in the gimp? (like horizontal stripes all over the image, with a given width and spacing) |
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| 19:48.14 | Pappa | stripes* |
| 19:48.25 | Overfiend | scarynetworkguy: Bruce Byfield spent about 20-25% of our phone time on Project Scud. |
| 19:48.30 | chealer | do we get a scoop? |
| 19:49.10 | Overfiend | plus an email followup |
| 19:49.10 | travisat | Pappa: make a brush and use the arrows |
| 19:49.10 | scarynetworkguy | Overfiend: Cool. I'll watch for it. |
| 19:49.10 | Overfiend | chealer: no, because as I recall, flooding is banned :) |
| 19:49.11 | Qerub | Pappa: Create a patern. |
| 19:49.11 | Qerub | Pappa: pattern* |
| 19:49.14 | chealer | damn ops |
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| 19:49.32 | Overfiend | scarynetworkguy: If Bruce can't cover it, for whatever reason, I expect to have more Project Scud discussion on the -project list. |
| 19:49.40 | shingouz | Overfiend: msg dpkg paster ;) |
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| 19:50.03 | scarynetworkguy | Overfiend: Cool. I'll have to subscribe. |
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| 19:50.16 | Overfiend | While popular with many people, Project Scud is also unpopular. We Scudders are doing our best to address the points of criticism while preserving the things we think are good about it. |
| 19:50.29 | travisat | what is scud |
| 19:50.34 | mwelsh | does anyone know if it is difficult to set up SATA RAID 0 in Sarge? |
| 19:50.38 | chealer | !scud |
| 19:50.41 | scarynetworkguy | Coolness. |
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| 19:50.54 | Overfiend | Bdale also tossed out a bit of brainstorm in his talk (keynote?) at LCA on Monday (that's today where I live but yesterday in .au). |
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| 19:52.31 | Windows95 | use sid |
| 19:52.42 | Overfiend | oh, above, s/unpopular/& with many others/ (if that wasn't clear) |
| 19:52.45 | chealer | use Windows 95 |
| 19:52.49 | Windows95 | lol |
| 19:53.34 | Windows95 | Poseiden was owned so I chose a random name I didn't think anyone would want |
| 19:53.48 | Phated | You're right, no one wants Windows95. |
| 19:53.55 | huliganz | ;] |
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| 19:54.21 | streuner | Overfiend: did you read the articles what Ian said lately? |
| 19:54.36 | Overfiend | streuner: Yes, I read imurdock's blog via Planet Debian. |
| 19:54.45 | Overfiend | He's also free with his opinions at the office :) |
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| 19:55.16 | chealer | wow, where do you work? |
| 19:55.19 | Overfiend | Progeny. |
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| 19:55.27 | streuner | Overfiend: so you think he is right about sarge prior 1? |
| 19:55.33 | chealer | oh. I didn't think |
| 19:55.46 | Overfiend | http://www.debian.org/devel/leader |
| 19:55.49 | jan_ | Hmm, i have a problem, the shell in /etc/passwd of my root account has been changed to 'test', so I cant login right now, any suggestions? :) |
| 19:55.51 | Overfiend | A brief bio is there. |
| 19:56.04 | OS2-Warp | better? |
| 19:56.11 | Overfiend | streuner: I don't understand your question..."sarge prior 1"? |
| 19:56.21 | kingsley | Can cups print various data formats, like magic filter and apsfilter can? |
| 19:56.27 | chealer | !leader |
| 19:56.27 | dpkg | So what, you don't know my leader? That well known man, popular for his deeds and forsaken for his talks - it's frerich! Who else?! And he's not just _my_ leader, he's _our_ leader, YOUR leader! |
| 19:56.43 | Overfiend | heh |
| 19:56.49 | MacOS | going back in time |
| 19:56.50 | streuner | Overfiend: well, if i unterstood him (Ian) right, debian should concentrate to make sarge stable? |
| 19:56.54 | chealer | !no, leader is Overfiend, or http://www.debian.org/devel/leader |
| 19:57.14 | bucky | hi Overfiend |
| 19:57.21 | bucky | congrats |
| 19:57.45 | Overfiend | chealer: Please put my real name in there as well :) |
| 19:57.52 | Overfiend | or even instead... |
| 19:58.08 | Overfiend | "Overfiend" is not really a name very appropriate to any sort of governance... |
| 19:58.14 | chealer | Overfiend: as you wish. the page isn't updated though |
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| 19:58.17 | dondelelcaro | dpkg: no, leader is <reply> Debian's current DPL is Branden Robinson (Overfiend). Find more information at http://www.debian.org/devel/leader |
| 19:58.17 | dpkg | dondelelcaro: okay |
| 19:58.27 | chealer | ...french issue |
| 19:58.30 | Overfiend | given that my nameksake character's role is to destroy the world... |
| 19:58.39 | biovore | there any plans for SID to go to Xorg? |
| 19:58.41 | dondelelcaro | Overfiend: amongst other things... |
| 19:58.43 | nydust | what are this package called Courier (imap server)? |
| 19:58.44 | Overfiend | chealer: oh ah. Yeah, it may take some time for people to translate it. |
| 19:58.44 | Phated | Destroy, take over, rule, what diffrence? |
| 19:58.55 | Overfiend | works for George W. Bush :-P |
| 19:58.55 | streuner | biovore: when sarge is stable... |
| 19:59.05 | streuner | heh :-) |
| 19:59.05 | gibarian | can anyone help me with a CD ripping problem in KDE? |
| 19:59.07 | MacOS | foul |
| 19:59.08 | Overfiend | !xorg |
| 19:59.08 | dpkg | hmm... xorg is xorg is an alternative X implementation (fork of XFree86 4.4RC2) from X.Org, current release is X11R6.8. It won't be packaged for Debian until after Sarge release. See http://necrotic.deadbeast.net/xsf/XFree86/trunk/debian/local/FAQ.xhtml#debianplans for more information. Ask me about 'get xorg' for unofficial xorg debs. Ask yebian for help, he offered. |
| 19:59.14 | biovore | streuner: thanks |
| 19:59.21 | Overfiend | How do you tell the bot to talk to someone else again? |
| 19:59.27 | Overfiend | !tell biovore about xorg |
| 19:59.29 | ricky_clarkson | !tell Overfiend about dpkg |
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| 19:59.43 | Overfiend | bucky: thank you! |
| 19:59.48 | bucky | np |
| 20:00.25 | Overfiend | ricky_clarkson: I remembered. Maybe my Alzheimer's hasn't advanced that far after all. |
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| 20:01.12 | Overfiend | oh, that URL is not as up-to-date as it could be. |
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| 20:01.19 | Overfiend | You can point straight into SVN nowadays. |
| 20:01.40 | dondelelcaro | Overfiend: yeah... I think I ripped it out of one of the old announcements |
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| 20:03.26 | chealer | Overfiend: there's no photo of you on the leader page yet though...is it http://people.debian.org/~branden/images/normalface.jpeg ? |
| 20:03.38 | Overfiend | !no, xorg is X.Org X11 is the industry standard implementation of the X Window System, and includes the code from XFree86 4.4RC2 plus many improvements. The current release is X11R6.8.2. It won't be uploaded into Debian unstable until its packages and the testing-proposed-updates infrastructure are ready. See http://necrotic.deadbeast.net/svn/xfree86/debian/local/FAQ.xhtml#debianplans for more information. Ask me about 'get xorg' fo |
| 20:03.50 | Overfiend | chealer: that's not me :) |
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| 20:04.04 | plugster | Server 195.225.105.54 not authorative for blekingeplantan.se |
| 20:04.04 | plugster | (22:01:08) (plugster) NS ns1.pamiro.se not found in zone (195.225.105.54) |
| 20:04.04 | plugster | (22:01:51) (plugster) i got that error when i try to point an domain to our |
| 20:04.09 | streuner | Overfiend: use dpkg not ! |
| 20:04.10 | Overfiend | chealer: http://images.google.com/images?q=%22Branden+Robinson%22&hl=en&btnG=Search+Images |
| 20:04.13 | resiak | Overfiend: Truncated at "'get xorg' fo" |
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| 20:04.19 | Overfiend | resiak: damn. |
| 20:04.36 | resiak | Overfiend: Perhaps "See also <get xorg>"? |
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| 20:04.54 | chealer | Overfiend: ok, I can see you now :) |
| 20:05.10 | Overfiend | dpkg: no, xorg is X.Org X11 is the industry standard implementation of the X Window System, and includes the code from XFree86 4.4RC2 plus many improvements. The current release is X11R6.8.2. It won't be uploaded into Debian unstable until its packages and the testing-proposed-updates infrastructure are ready. See http://necrotic.deadbeast.net/svn/xfree86/debian/local/FAQ.xhtml#debianplans for more information. See also: 'get xorg' |
| 20:05.11 | dpkg | okay, Overfiend |
| 20:05.19 | Overfiend | !tell Overfiend about xorg |
| 20:05.41 | Overfiend | That grammar is annoying. |
| 20:05.54 | Overfiend | dpkg: no, xorg is X.Org X11, the industry standard implementation of the X Window System, and includes the code from XFree86 4.4RC2 plus many improvements. The current release is X11R6.8.2. It won't be uploaded into Debian unstable until its packages and the testing-proposed-updates infrastructure are ready. See http://necrotic.deadbeast.net/svn/xfree86/debian/local/FAQ.xhtml#debianplans for more information. See also: 'get xorg' |
| 20:05.54 | dpkg | Overfiend: okay |
| 20:06.00 | Overfiend | There. |
| 20:06.19 | streuner | Overfiend: we don't give a damn about grammar as long we can x get to work ;-) |
| 20:06.32 | gibarian | hello everyone...I've got a problem in debian with ripping CDs...the ripping stops at 99%, both in KAudio Creator and Konqueror...any suggestions? Anyone? |
| 20:06.51 | atrus | Overfiend: is that urs supposed to not 404? |
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| 20:07.05 | Overfiend | no |
| 20:07.12 | Overfiend | atrus: no; did I screw up? /me checks |
| 20:07.26 | greycat | some of us do care about grammar. |
| 20:07.28 | Overfiend | yup. |
| 20:07.39 | atrus | sorry :) |
| 20:07.40 | Overfiend | dpkg: no, xorg is X.Org X11, the industry standard implementation of the X Window System, and includes the code from XFree86 4.4RC2 plus many improvements. The current release is X11R6.8.2. It won't be uploaded into Debian unstable until its packages and the testing-proposed-updates infrastructure are ready. See http://necrotic.deadbeast.net/svn/xfree86/trunk/debian/local/FAQ.xhtml#debianplans for more information. See also: 'get xo |
| 20:07.40 | dpkg | Overfiend: okay |
| 20:07.46 | Overfiend | !tell Overfiend about xorg |
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| 20:08.05 | resiak | Overfiend: Truncated! |
| 20:08.09 | PerfDave | Overfiend: Are you just updating X stuff, or are you planning on spending more time keeping an eye on us troublemakers in #debian who are giving the project a bad name? :) |
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| 20:08.15 | dondelelcaro | dpkg: xorg =~ s/get xo/get xorg'/ |
| 20:08.15 | dpkg | OK, dondelelcaro |
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| 20:08.34 | Overfiend | dondelelcaro: I hate IRC clients. |
| 20:08.35 | Overfiend | Oh yes. |
| 20:08.49 | ummDuh | anyone here do much c programming in debian? |
| 20:09.00 | greycat | !tell ummDuh about ask |
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| 20:09.06 | jim | Overfiend: you missed the closing quote at the end |
| 20:09.11 | greycat | jim: dondelelcaro fixed it |
| 20:09.21 | jim | oops didn't see that |
| 20:09.26 | ummDuh | k .. |
| 20:09.27 | chealer | Overfiend: I found cool pictures googling your name at http://deadbeast.net/~branden/homepage/politics.html :) |
| 20:09.27 | greycat | he didn't "miss" it so much as get his input truncated |
| 20:09.36 | jan_ | su -s /bin/sh |
| 20:09.36 | jan_ | Password: |
| 20:09.36 | jan_ | No shell |
| 20:09.36 | Overfiend | chealer: yes :) |
| 20:09.39 | jan_ | help ;) |
| 20:09.40 | Hydroxide | Overfiend: hey hey Branden. Nice to see you in this channel |
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| 20:09.49 | Hydroxide | Overfiend: and congrats on assuming your DPLship |
| 20:10.04 | Hydroxide | (DPLhood? DPLity?) |
| 20:10.05 | Overfiend | Hydroxide: thanks! I said I'd be try to be more visible... |
| 20:10.09 | PerfDave | Hmm, do I catch up on my GNUCash records or watch TV? |
| 20:10.16 | resiak | PerfDave: The former. |
| 20:10.18 | PerfDave | -!- Overfiend sets mode -i |
| 20:10.18 | Phated | Depends what's on TV. |
| 20:10.25 | Overfiend | Though, no offense, this channel is a madhouse and I don't know that I'll be able to participate often :) |
| 20:10.46 | PerfDave | Overfiend: Come by on Sunday, that's when we have the great Future of Debian debates ;) |
| 20:10.53 | Hydroxide | Overfiend: yeah. I participate less than at one point in the past when I was less busy |
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| 20:11.05 | greycat | fortunately, #debian is now presenting Sunday 7 days a week. |
| 20:11.08 | Overfiend | but I've enslaved it to an irssi window, so I'll at least be able to notice if people ask me something |
| 20:11.20 | jim | Overfiend: maybe you ought to figure out how the channel can become more useful and less madhousey |
| 20:11.23 | bucky | Overfiend, yeah.. get a cloak and lurk anonymously on sunday |
| 20:11.34 | streuner | hehe |
| 20:11.43 | streuner | !sing sunday |
| 20:11.44 | dpkg | Everyday is like sunday... Everyday the tards come to play... |
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| 20:11.50 | PerfDave | jim: See debian-user and how well ##debian did ;) |
| 20:11.52 | Overfiend | PerfDave: funny |
| 20:11.57 | resiak | < Underbeast> omg lol wtf help me my debain dosent wrok |
| 20:12.05 | Overfiend | resiak: :) |
| 20:12.06 | OS2-Warp | !sing monday |
| 20:12.06 | dpkg | And school's out early and soon we'll be learning / The lesson today is how to die |
| 20:12.07 | resiak | PerfDave: Hey! ##debian's STILL GOING! |
| 20:12.13 | alexrait1 | Does anyone knows where to find new debian packages for eclipse? I can't find it anywere... only 2.1 version.. |
| 20:12.18 | OS2-Warp | !sing Windows |
| 20:12.18 | jim | PerfDave: summary/ |
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| 20:12.20 | jim | ? |
| 20:12.33 | Overfiend | jim: I think having 845 people in the channel pretty much unavoidably makes it a madhouse... |
| 20:12.41 | jim | agreed |
| 20:12.43 | Phated | Eh, nothing wrong with a madhouse. |
| 20:12.53 | chealer | as long as we have dpkg |
| 20:12.54 | Phated | Other channels have created madhouses with less than 20 people, though. :) |
| 20:12.59 | Overfiend | Phated: quite true :) |
| 20:13.09 | bucky | i'm glad we have this much interest in the distro |
| 20:13.13 | PerfDave | jim: "Waah waah waah, #debian weren't interested in my non-Debian problem, #debian sucks and is full of lamers like greycat and PerfDave" "Hey, let's start up ##debian to be really friendly to newbs." "Oh look, nobody's joined and nobody can get any help with their Debian problems." |
| 20:13.27 | Phated | Overfiend: Aye. |
| 20:13.31 | streuner | Overfiend: well, in the last time the channel grows, it was about 700-750 and the last 2 weeks we have that amount ... |
| 20:13.33 | mwilson | PerfDave: This surprises you? It's like linuxquestions.org. |
| 20:14.03 | jim | PerfDave: you gotta get the channel forwarding and other infrastructure going |
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| 20:14.19 | resiak | mwilson: Hey, watch your mouth. We help people occasionally... ;) |
| 20:14.30 | PerfDave | jim: Hey, I'm quite happy with #debian, thanks. Except on Sundays. |
| 20:14.41 | jim | greycat is probably the guy with the most time trying to help, and he's getting grumpy |
| 20:14.42 | mwilson | resiak: I have to ask... are you on the ##debian side or the lq.org side? |
| 20:14.47 | Petro | PerfDave: We're Monday |
| 20:14.56 | resiak | mwilson: ##debian. I mainly sit on there for comedy, though :) |
| 20:15.03 | jim | PerfDave: well I don't think greycat is |
| 20:15.18 | mwilson | resiak: Comedy is lq.org |
| 20:15.32 | PerfDave | jim: *shrug* There are other people on #debian other than greycat, useful though his input frequently is. |
| 20:15.40 | mwilson | resiak: lq is the blind leading the deranged. |
| 20:15.48 | resiak | mwilson: Someone should turn lq.org into a bash.org-alike, so we could vote on the funniest. |
| 20:16.08 | Phated | Hah. |
| 20:16.09 | Petro | resiak: lol |
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| 20:16.32 | jim | PerfDave: yes, there are others (there was me at that level of input at one time) |
| 20:16.38 | PerfDave | jim: I think it does peopel good to take a break from #debian occasionally. I had about a week off after getting +q'd by an overzealous op for requesting a /topic change, and it did me the world of good. |
| 20:16.40 | directhex | i see an Overfiend. is that the DPL-scented Overfiend, or the multiple mile-long phalluses one? |
| 20:16.41 | mwilson | Self-help internet sites never work... the clued always stay away. |
| 20:16.49 | PerfDave | directhex: There's a difference? |
| 20:16.59 | jim | PerfDave: which op? |
| 20:17.00 | JoeHippie | anyone here ever set up a compaq raid array 221 ? i am trying to do a install on my raid drives |
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| 20:17.04 | Phated | Damn, PerfDave types faster than me. |
| 20:17.09 | greycat | directhex: "yes" |
| 20:17.11 | ricky_clarkson | PerfDave: I take time out whenever I'm struggling with time management. |
| 20:17.14 | PerfDave | jim: Lo Rez IIRC |
| 20:17.22 | ricky_clarkson | Phated: Must be your Mandarin keyboard. |
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| 20:17.26 | PerfDave | ricky_clarkson: I don't struggle with time management, I just do no work at the office :0 |
| 20:17.32 | jim | so you were polite and neutral about it? |
| 20:17.36 | Phated | I do not have a fucking Mandarin keyboard. Sheesh. |
| 20:17.44 | directhex | it's a good thing that question didn't have an "or" in it, or answers of "yes" might be silly |
| 20:17.49 | jim | I guess it doesn't matter now |
| 20:17.50 | ricky_clarkson | PerfDave: Hehe. |
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| 20:18.07 | chealer | PerfDave: agreed. sleeping can help too :) |
| 20:18.10 | PerfDave | jim: Many people thought that my being +q'd was an overreaction. But like you say, it doesn't matter now. |
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| 20:18.22 | Zibar | can i get my xserver running in 1280 x 768 with any of the built-in drivers ? (e.g vesa) |
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| 20:18.42 | Zibar | is it just a matter of hand editing xfree86-config-4 file ? |
| 20:18.43 | JoeHippie | does anyone know how to tell a raid array card to figure out what drives are there? i cannot find the software for the one i have |
| 20:18.53 | ricky_clarkson | PerfDave: Yeah, I've seen LoRez be overzealous. |
| 20:18.57 | directhex | Zibar, i should think so. a custom modeline if need be |
| 20:19.10 | mwilson | JoeHippie: You think that's generic across all possible cards or something? |
| 20:19.11 | Zibar | ok ill try it |
| 20:19.23 | JoeHippie | mwilson i was just asking |
| 20:20.14 | diepes | JoeHippie: normaly you get a bios menu for the raid card during bootup, or bootdisks for setup of the initial raid array. |
| 20:20.21 | JoeHippie | mwilson i earlier included what card .. i got no response so i re-phrased the question once |
| 20:20.21 | PerfDave | JoeHippie: Depends on the RAID array cards. The ones we use at work have a config thing during the boot process - check to see if there's anything at startup? |
| 20:20.30 | Overfiend | directhex: that's me |
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| 20:20.53 | JoeHippie | there is something at startup but non configurable including bios |
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| 20:21.11 | JoeHippie | just detects ... and it is looking for drives that it had not that it has |
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| 20:21.49 | mwilson | JoeHippie: Everyone gets to guess what card you have, right? Do you offer prizes to the winner? |
| 20:22.19 | resiak | FastTrak TX2200. |
| 20:22.22 | JoeHippie | mwilson as i said b4 i said what card 5 minutes ago.... but for your benifit ... it is a compaq smart array 221 |
| 20:22.23 | resiak | I win the prize! |
| 20:22.26 | resiak | :( |
| 20:22.37 | mwilson | !b4 |
| 20:22.37 | dpkg | try before, moron, or i51 n34 g10 o23...BINGO! |
| 20:22.39 | directhex | resiak, works in 2.6.11 |
| 20:22.51 | resiak | directhex: Hahah. |
| 20:22.52 | diepes | resiak: close. |
| 20:23.01 | JoeHippie | ahh i see you still have to belittle people in some way ... |
| 20:23.05 | directhex | resiak, FSVO "works" |
| 20:23.16 | resiak | directhex: And FSVO "2.6.11"? |
| 20:23.29 | PerfDave | directhex: Are you still upset with the kernel package maintainers? :) |
| 20:23.44 | mwilson | JoeHippie: *I* do? I didn't put the factoid in, I just make use of it when people engage in moron-speak. |
| 20:24.11 | JoeHippie | mwilson whatever .... |
| 20:25.15 | greycat | those bingo numbers aren't correct anyway |
| 20:25.15 | greycat | B is 1-15, I is 16-30, ... |
| 20:25.15 | resiak | mwilson, JoeHippie: It would serve [wo]mankind if you both made use of /ignore right now. :) |
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| 20:25.15 | JoeHippie | already did |
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| 20:25.15 | diepes | JoeHippie: a bit sensitive .... I personally enjoy software raid, more control less proprietary drivers, and normally faster. |
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| 20:25.31 | directhex | PerfDave, it appears my email didn't make it to the mailing list, as far as i can tell anyway |
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| 20:26.00 | greycat | dpkg, no, b4 is <reply> try "before", moron. B4 I17 N34 G58 O69 .... BINGO! |
| 20:26.01 | dpkg | greycat: okay |
| 20:26.15 | JoeHippie | diepes i would take whatever to get it going... there were only two good drives i got from the server with the card, it is looking for 5 , so will not use just two |
| 20:26.16 | resiak | JoeHippie: http://www.monkey.org/openbsd/archive/misc/0412/msg01316.html # This thread might help |
| 20:26.27 | OS2-Warp | peace out and word to ya motha |
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| 20:26.34 | jim | PerfDave: see? grumpy. |
| 20:26.35 | JoeHippie | resiak thanks will look |
| 20:27.25 | resiak | JoeHippie: http://marc.theaimsgroup.com/?l=openbsd-misc&m=110292962414241&w=2 also might help. |
| 20:27.41 | resiak | JoeHippie: Also http://h18004.www1.hp.com/support/files/server/us/download/17764.html |
| 20:27.52 | resiak | JoeHippie: Oh, wait, that's for Windows. |
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| 20:28.40 | shingouz | JoeHippie: if i got it correctly, you want to setup the array with new drives or you want to reconfigure the array with existing drives? |
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| 20:29.15 | zao_ | how does initrd decide to load what modules in what order? |
| 20:30.12 | JoeHippie | shingouz i want to reconfigure the array with new drives |
| 20:30.52 | JoeHippie | shingouz it thinks it still has 5 and i have 2 . it will not recognize only 2 |
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| 20:31.25 | mwilson | zao_: It doesn't. An initrd doesn't load things, it makes them available for the kernel to load. |
| 20:31.31 | shingouz | JoeHippie: do you already have the Compaq array diagnostic cd there? |
| 20:31.52 | zao_ | mwilson: and the kernel just read /etc/modules, correct? |
| 20:32.00 | zao_ | so there i can define the order .. |
| 20:32.02 | JoeHippie | shingouz it will not run on this system (i downloaded it from hp) |
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| 20:32.16 | shingouz | JoeHippie: huh? it shoudl be bootable |
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| 20:32.26 | mwilson | zao_: No, the kernel couldn't care less about /etc/modules |
| 20:32.39 | zao_ | mwilson: ... ok, so what then? |
| 20:32.41 | KirbyMeister | anyone know a good SNES emulator that uses ESD? |
| 20:32.45 | JoeHippie | shingouz i did try to boot it and it told me the system was non compatable |
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| 20:33.14 | shingouz | JoeHippie: umm.. what server you run the array on? |
| 20:33.28 | mwilson | zao_: Why do you think you need to use an initrd? |
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| 20:33.54 | JoeHippie | shingouz right now it is in a p3 800 compaq it came out of a compaq server |
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| 20:34.28 | chfn | Hi Guys |
| 20:34.38 | zao_ | i dont, but i think i got one with my image.deb (i think every debian-kernel-image uses one?). ok anyway, the thing is there seems to be a bug in 2.6 that makes my nforce3-board not able to use dma. |
| 20:34.50 | shingouz | JoeHippie: so the computer you have it in is not a Compaq server then... hmm... that might be the problem. otoh, i could make an image out of an older version of the cd for you to try |
| 20:34.52 | zao_ | mwilson: a workaround is to define the ordering of modules. |
| 20:34.56 | zao_ | where do i do that? |
| 20:34.57 | chfn | I forgot how to see whats the problem with some package. I mean packages bugs of debian |
| 20:35.16 | plugster | hi all, i have bought an virtual server, (woody) and i wonder if there is any prg i easy can make backups of example users home and mysql and transfer them to example an ftp server? |
| 20:35.22 | zao_ | mwilson: and if the kernel doesnt care about /etc/modules, who does? |
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| 20:35.27 | mwilson | zao_: In a Debian kernl-image? I have no idea... have no use for the things, myself. |
| 20:35.42 | shingouz | plugster: tar and scp? |
| 20:35.43 | Phl33t | hi, in the process of trying to install php4-gd2 , i somehow broke php4. Whenever i load a .php file in my browser, it automatically asks to download it with the filetype of either PHP Hypertext protocol, or x-httpd-php/application. I'm running debian 1.3 and apache2. server is at http://phleet.gotdns.com |
| 20:35.44 | saabin | I need a little help with a ksh script. From command line works perfecty. From script itself something is not working right. zrun=${var1}${var2} , command ${zrun} /tmp/${temp_file} |
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| 20:36.03 | saabin | zrun is builds correctly |
| 20:36.04 | greycat | saabin: eval $zrun /tmp/$temp_file |
| 20:36.09 | Phl33t | can anybody suggest something? |
| 20:36.25 | Phl33t | i've already examined the configuration files and can find no obvious problem |
| 20:36.26 | greycat | saabin: depending on what's in var1 and var2 |
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| 20:36.45 | JoeHippie | shingouz that would be cool , let me try one more thing first ... brb , got a idea on some of the links that resiak gave me ... let me try that then will brb |
| 20:36.46 | chfn | I would like to know about InkScape package status of SID. How do I do it? I forgot, sorry!!!! |
| 20:36.46 | zao_ | mwilson: ok, but whatever way you build your kernel, how do you define/configure the module thing (ordering)? |
| 20:36.50 | saabin | greycat eval "command ${zrun} /tmp/${temp_file}" these variables are text |
| 20:36.52 | Phl33t | whenever i start apache2, it gives me the error that libphp4.so contains unknown character - bell_char |
| 20:36.55 | Garp | Hi |
| 20:36.55 | plugster | shingouz: yeeh, but how to extract all the tables from the mysql database? |
| 20:36.59 | PerfDave | chfn: http://packages.debian.org/ |
| 20:36.59 | greycat | saabin: NO QUOTES. |
| 20:37.01 | shingouz | JoeHippie: ok, ill start the dd here |
| 20:37.02 | LoRez | plugster: mysqldump |
| 20:37.06 | greycat | saabin: /j #bash |
| 20:37.18 | streuner | Phl33t: use apache |
| 20:37.44 | streuner | Phl33t: version 1.x |
| 20:37.55 | jim | zao_: the initrd is built at the time the kernel-image package is installed |
| 20:38.00 | streuner | Phl33t: why do you think you need apache2? |
| 20:38.08 | gibarian | alright, I'll try again: when ripping a CD, tracks are only ripped up to 98 or 99%. Anybody know what this may cause? |
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| 20:38.15 | Garp | Question:: I'm trying to run qsynth. Qsynth (fluidsynth) requieres soundfonts. Debian pages gives me "freepats" for this. But qsynth ask for ".sf2" files, while freepats only gave me .pat files. Any idea ? Thanks. |
| 20:38.18 | plugster | can i do all this by an cron? using mysqldump, tar for the users and then send it to an ftp server like every night? |
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| 20:38.25 | zao_ | jim: and the module-thing is configured therein? |
| 20:38.32 | chfn | PerfDave, thanks |
| 20:38.32 | jim | also at that time, the install process figures out how / is mounted |
| 20:38.37 | streuner | gibarian: that happens with every CD? |
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| 20:38.49 | jim | and arranges to write those modules to the initrd |
| 20:38.54 | Phl33t | streuner: my friend was installing everything.. lemme see if apache1 will fix things.. |
| 20:38.59 | mwilson | zao_: I don't define module ordering... I build into my kernels what they need. I only use modules for things like a NIC, never for IDE or SCSI. |
| 20:39.01 | gibarian | streuner...yes, and it happens with CDparanoia, KAudiocreator and Konqueror |
| 20:39.03 | JoeHippie | shingouz might have it got to reboot |
| 20:39.08 | JoeHippie | shingouz brb |
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| 20:39.27 | smo_ | hi |
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| 20:39.35 | streuner | gibarian: did you try another CDROM? |
| 20:39.42 | jim | the way you get a kernel-image package to do this if you are building the kernel yourself, is you feed "--initrd" to make-kpkg |
| 20:39.44 | smo_ | what can i use to convert wave file on my hdd to mp3 |
| 20:39.45 | smo_ | ?? |
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| 20:39.57 | gibarian | yes, tried another one as well...no luck |
| 20:39.58 | resiak | !tell smo_ -about lame |
| 20:40.04 | resiak | smo_: But why not use Ogg Vorbis instead? |
| 20:40.15 | smo_ | yeah i sue ogg |
| 20:40.15 | mwilson | jim: That would presume I had any use whatsoever for kernel-package. :) |
| 20:40.29 | streuner | gibarian: in that case i would say badgers ;-) |
| 20:40.37 | smo_ | its for a friend on xp "i d want ogg i want mp3 nanananan" |
| 20:40.39 | smo_ | pffffffffff |
| 20:40.41 | smo_ | lol |
| 20:40.51 | jim | mwilson: oh, sorry; if you were the original poster in that thread, sorry to bug ya |
| 20:41.09 | cafe_roy | Garp: google Unison.sf2 |
| 20:41.14 | streuner | gibarian: did you try a different rip program - not cdparanoia too? |
| 20:41.14 | gibarian | streuner: I'm not entirely sure what "badgers" is supposed to mean, but I think I get your drift |
| 20:41.23 | raf256 | smo_: some ogg2mp3 tool probably |
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| 20:41.48 | streuner | gibarian: I'am really out of ideas then... |
| 20:41.49 | resiak | smo_: He can install Ogg Vorbis codecs for WMP |
| 20:41.52 | gibarian | streuner: yes...tried a few...it really bugs me, because I have to resort to my windows in order to rip CDs |
| 20:41.52 | Garp | cafe_roy: Thanks. |
| 20:41.53 | jim | but if zao_ was the original poster, then I didn't bug ya :) |
| 20:41.57 | mwilson | jim: I wasn't, but I thought your comment was directed to me. |
| 20:42.05 | streuner | gibarian: sarge? |
| 20:42.10 | jim | mwilson: sorry for the misunderstanding |
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| 20:43.10 | gibarian | streuner: knoppix aka unstable-testing bastard |
| 20:43.20 | streuner | gibarian: oh :-) |
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| 20:43.30 | streuner | !tell gibarian about knoppix |
| 20:43.54 | nydust | when i boot debian woody i just get LIL and it doesnt start why? |
| 20:44.17 | nydust | i have to boot it withrescue disk |
| 20:44.34 | streuner | nydust: read lilo-docs about |
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| 20:44.47 | streuner | nydust: hold on |
| 20:44.54 | Wypracow | why is there no security advisory for firefox yet? |
| 20:45.05 | nydust | thanks |
| 20:45.26 | mwilson | Wypracow: Is there supposed to be? |
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| 20:45.40 | gibarian | streuner: thanks for your consideration ;) |
| 20:45.42 | Wypracow | mwilson, I would think so, as 1.0.3 was released with security fiexs |
| 20:45.48 | Paganist | Is there a particular packet to install additionnaly to iptables when using nat ? i never had to but this machine has a very minimal install, maybe sonething lacks, i set the same iptables configuration on 2 machines, one will works and the other won't... any idea ? |
| 20:46.00 | Phl33t | steuner: how do i get rid of apache2 completely.. i apt-get remove apache2'd it, but there are still a lot of files left from apache2, including it running when i ps -A |
| 20:46.10 | mwilson | Wypracow: Firfox isn't in stable, so there's no horrendous rush. |
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| 20:46.36 | Wypracow | mwilson: ok |
| 20:46.45 | travisat | Phl33t: -P |
| 20:46.51 | Wypracow | mwilson: I thought it was pretty popular ;) |
| 20:46.53 | mwilson | Wypracow: I'd be surprised if there's a DSA at all for it. |
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| 20:47.05 | mwilson | Wypracow: What does popularity have to do with it? |
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| 20:47.23 | Wypracow | mwilson, popular package = widely used = big security risk |
| 20:47.41 | resiak | Wypracow: Only Stable gets security advisories. Firefox is not in Stable... You see the connection? |
| 20:47.50 | Phl33t | traviscat: what? |
| 20:47.56 | mwilson | Wypracow: Not in stable == you use it at your own risk |
| 20:48.17 | mwilson | Wypracow: Not in stable also == it breaks, you get to keep all the pieces. |
| 20:48.20 | valdyn | Wypracow: the security team does only debian/stable. A fixed firefox is uploaded to sid w/ no DSA |
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| 20:48.23 | BabaG | everytime i try to install debian 3.0 i get through ok but when i get to the desktop i have no keyboard or mouse. |
| 20:48.26 | travisat | Phl33t: purge it. apt-get -P remove foo |
| 20:48.27 | Wypracow | okay all clear |
| 20:48.30 | nydust | [alert] apache: Could not determine the server's fully qualified domain name, using 127.0.0.1 for ServerName... how do i fix this? |
| 20:48.37 | smo_ | lame works fine thx ... |
| 20:49.22 | streuner | nydust: LIL - The second stage boot loader has been started, but it can't load the descriptor table from the map file. |
| 20:49.27 | mwilson | Wypracow: If you'd actually LOOKED, of course, you'd have noticed that there are uploads of mozilla-browser and mozilla-firefox both in Sid today. |
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| 20:49.48 | streuner | nydust: LIL - This is typically caused by a media failure or by a geometry mismatch. |
| 20:50.09 | streuner | nydust: just run 'lilo -v' |
| 20:50.10 | nydust | streuner, aha... oki added /dev/hda1 <---- maybe that would help |
| 20:50.11 | chealer | mwilson: p.d.o is lagging |
| 20:50.44 | konrad127123 | Is it possible to use an encrypted root file system? |
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| 20:50.52 | Lanani | hi |
| 20:50.58 | mwilson | chealer: I couldn't care less about crapfox, of course, but it's not hard to look and see. |
| 20:51.00 | valdyn | nydust: boot=<what?> in your lilo.conf |
| 20:51.19 | travisat | Phl33t: apt-get remvoe --purge foo |
| 20:51.40 | nydust | valdyn, /dev/hda |
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| 20:52.26 | nydust | streuner, do you know how i fix this? [alert] apache: Could not determine the server's fully qualified domain name, using 127.0.0.1 for ServerName |
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| 20:52.55 | Lanani | There is something called XDSL in Austria. Thats an internet connection faster than ADSL, but im not sure if it is maybe the same. It has 2048 KB downstream and 384 KB Upsatream. I want to come online with Debian. What may I do please? I could not find any software which connect XDSL lines |
| 20:52.59 | streuner | nydust: well man hosts |
| 20:53.09 | nydust | streuner, /usr/sbin/apachectl start: httpd could not be started |
| 20:53.28 | streuner | nydust: fix /etc/hosts |
| 20:53.55 | cbpye | I'm looking for a person who was at one point named "mdadmtime" |
| 20:54.27 | shingouz | Lanani: does your modem connect to your computer with ethernet? |
| 20:54.47 | nydust | streuner, i dont see anything wrong there |
| 20:54.54 | valdyn | Lanani: its probably just a brand name, no technical difference to adsl, but even if it is, its no business of debian, you DSL modem has to be compatible with whatever dsl protocol they use |
| 20:54.58 | Lanani | there is a USB Modem .... |
| 20:55.16 | directhex | urgh |
| 20:55.28 | shingouz | Lanani: ewww... those can be a pain in the ass. try to get something that connects with ethernet if at all possible |
| 20:55.31 | Lanani | I am nor sure what I need |
| 20:55.36 | streuner | nydust: show us in #flood (/etc/hosts) |
| 20:56.01 | Lanani | hum |
| 20:56.18 | jim | Lanani: is that usb modem supported? |
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| 20:56.28 | Lanani | shingouz: What is Ethernet? |
| 20:56.31 | ecfx | How can I install something with apt-get...like a deb...and force overwriting. |
| 20:56.38 | Lanani | jim, supported by what? |
| 20:56.42 | Lanani | I found no softwaree which can connect |
| 20:57.03 | Phl33t | okay, so now im not getting errors from apache anymore, but php still isn't running properly, and apache2 STILL has a bunch of unwanted files left |
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| 20:57.14 | jim | Lanani: by linux kernel |
| 20:57.20 | Lanani | jim, no idea |
| 20:57.24 | Lanani | how to find it out? |
| 20:57.30 | shingouz | Lanani: network type, RJ-45, Cat-5. and most of the time you do not need any softwre to connect to the network if you run it without usb inbetween |
| 20:57.34 | jim | that you will have to find out |
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| 20:58.03 | shingouz | Lanani: do you have the modem there right now? read off the name of it for us |
| 20:58.13 | kittonian | i am trying to do a network install and it keeps timing out when downloading the base packages. is there a better server to use besides http://http.us.debian.org/debian |
| 20:58.14 | Lanani | OK Moment pls |
| 20:58.22 | PhaserPrinter | if I have a firewall for Debian do I still need to mess with iptables? |
| 20:58.29 | Lanani | Zyxel Prestige 630 |
| 20:58.32 | ecfx | apt-get --force -y install fglrx-kernel-2.6.8-1-386 |
| 20:58.32 | Lanani | thats the name |
| 20:58.37 | Lanani | and it looks like modem |
| 20:58.37 | ecfx | Will that overwrite? |
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| 20:58.50 | mwilson | PhaserPrinter: What firewall do you have that you think *doesn't* use iptables? |
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| 20:59.03 | PhaserPrinter | firestarter |
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| 20:59.16 | shingouz | Lanani: if i recall the prestige 630 has ethernet ports too... use them and you can connect very easily |
| 20:59.22 | Lanani | shingouz: You say that I need some software - which one? |
| 20:59.35 | valdyn | PhaserPrinter: that is a gui to control and monitor iptables, if you use that you dont need more |
| 20:59.36 | Lanani | shingouz: I have got a knoppix CD |
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| 20:59.42 | shingouz | Lanani: i said you do *not* need some software |
| 20:59.43 | Lanani | should I try it with it? |
| 20:59.44 | mwilson | PhaserPrinter: Firestarter doesn't use iptables? That'd be news to its developers. |
| 20:59.45 | Phl33t | can anybody help me reconfigure my server with apache to allow for php4 to work properly? |
| 21:00.06 | shingouz | Lanani: sec, i'lll check on the modem |
| 21:00.17 | Lanani | shingouz: If I do not need any softweare, where should I enter the username/password and IOP adress ? |
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| 21:00.29 | Lanani | IOP = IP Adress |
| 21:00.33 | Lanani | wasa a typo |
| 21:00.42 | Lanani | shingouz Thank you very much for your help |
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| 21:00.54 | PhaserPrinter | <PROTECTED> |
| 21:01.02 | PhaserPrinter | thanks fro the help |
| 21:01.53 | streuner | nydust: leave #flood now |
| 21:02.19 | shingouz | Lanani: sit here for a while more, i'll check on the modem. the 630 looks like it is a pain in the ass |
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| 21:02.47 | streuner | nydust: well, there is an way to make apachectl more verbose, i didn't see any mistake |
| 21:02.56 | kittonian | can anyone point me to another server with the deb base packages on it so I can do this net install? |
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| 21:03.29 | streuner | nydust: grep that file with 'ServerName' |
| 21:03.30 | bucky | kittonian, for sarge? |
| 21:03.46 | shingouz | Lanani: a 660H or 650H would be very well suited for linux. for any operating system for that matter, you just need a network interface card that is supported by the o/s and you should be set |
| 21:03.53 | Lanani | shingouz: I am really very, very, very grateful, thank you that you help me. I will hold on |
| 21:04.00 | kittonian | bucky: no for woody |
| 21:04.06 | bucky | deb http://archive.progeny.com/debian/ woody main contrib non-free |
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| 21:04.20 | bucky | http://archive.progeny.com/debian/ if your in the installer |
| 21:04.44 | nydust | streuner, oki loard |
| 21:04.44 | Lanani | shingouz: I just got told, that there is a "card" in my computer too |
| 21:04.46 | nydust | ;) |
| 21:04.50 | kittonian | thanks, and yes i am in the installer |
| 21:04.55 | enola | kittonian: http://archive.progeny.com/debian/ |
| 21:04.55 | valdyn | kittonian: use "wget -t 0 <url>" to download |
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| 21:05.09 | nydust | streuner, grep: Servername: No such file or directory |
| 21:05.10 | valdyn | kittonian: oh nm |
| 21:05.25 | shingouz | Lanani: ok. then it is just to run off to the store and try to sell the 630 off and get a 650 or 660 ;) |
| 21:05.32 | Lanani | shingouz: Its a "OnBoard" Card |
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| 21:05.39 | kittonian | thanks bucky & all |
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| 21:06.00 | Lanani | the chipset is VIA VT 8237 |
| 21:06.13 | shingouz | Lanani: this one i pass :) |
| 21:06.15 | Lanani | shingouz: Can I try to connect with an ADSL tool? |
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| 21:06.57 | shingouz | Lanani: probably not as the ADSL tool on knoppix is probably not able to see the 630 in the first place |
| 21:07.07 | Lanani | shingouz: I will try it ... |
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| 21:07.15 | Lanani | shingouz: I will return in 10 mins, ok? |
| 21:07.19 | shingouz | k |
| 21:07.21 | Lanani | shingouz: Thank you very much! |
| 21:07.24 | Lanani | sooo much! |
| 21:07.31 | valdyn | thats dsl modem w/ no ethernet jack at all? |
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| 21:07.42 | nydust | # ServerName: allows you to set a host name which is sent back to clients for |
| 21:07.42 | nydust | #ServerName new.host.name |
| 21:07.42 | nydust | # to the server the response is coming from) it will use ServerName and |
| 21:07.42 | nydust | # ServerName host.some_domain.com |
| 21:07.43 | nydust | # ServerName 192.168.1.110 |
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| 21:07.58 | nydust | sorry |
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| 21:08.18 | SilentBob | nydust, what distro? |
| 21:08.25 | shingouz | valdyn: so it seems, i checked the zyxel site. looks like some n00b device to me ;) |
| 21:08.28 | nydust | SilentBob, woody |
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| 21:09.27 | directhex | kittonian, try a nice 20.1" dell tft |
| 21:09.33 | Phl33t | is anybody willing to help me fix my apache php4 problems if i give them an account with sudo? |
| 21:09.43 | Overand | heh |
| 21:09.48 | guestish | anyone know how to remotely identify a OS? |
| 21:09.57 | shingouz | guestish: nmap? |
| 21:10.03 | kittonian | got my new apple 20" cinema today |
| 21:10.04 | Overand | Phl33t: i'm sure *lots* of people will take your sudo access =] |
| 21:10.15 | Overand | shingouz: yeah, CRTs are nice. |
| 21:10.18 | directhex | kittonian, for how much $$$? |
| 21:10.28 | technos | guestish: There are a few fingerprinting rograms out there, |
| 21:10.34 | Overand | directhex: until recently, in terms of contrast and color accuracy, LCDs had *nothing* on CRTs |
| 21:10.49 | Overand | even mid-level CRTs beat the crap out of LCDs in terms of contrast and color accuracy |
| 21:10.53 | Overand | (and speed...) |
| 21:10.57 | directhex | Overand, actually usable for extended periods of time though. and they come with free deskspace |
| 21:10.59 | humbolt | what about sarge release? Any light at the end of the tunnel_ |
| 21:11.01 | kittonian | $830 |
| 21:11.06 | kittonian | found a nice seller on ebay |
| 21:11.11 | Overand | directhex: i don't dispute the advantages of LCDs |
| 21:11.13 | nydust | apache is running |
| 21:11.15 | bucky | Phl33t, is it apache2 ? |
| 21:11.17 | Overand | low-refresh-rates on CRTs are TERRIBLE |
| 21:11.20 | Phl33t | Overand: :p i really dont care that much if it gets trashed |
| 21:11.32 | PerfDave | Phl33t: I *really* wouldn't suggest that on a public IRC channel. It's asking to get your entire network 0wned. |
| 21:11.40 | valdyn | Lanani: http://sourceforge.net/projects/zyxel630-11/ ( not sure if that is yours ) |
| 21:11.41 | Overand | yeah |
| 21:11.45 | Phl33t | they cant touch anything but that comp anyway |
| 21:11.48 | Overand | if i'm root on your box, i can sniff all your network traffic |
| 21:11.56 | Overand | Phl33t: don't be so sure of that |
| 21:12.15 | Phl33t | all the other comps are running no gateways |
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| 21:12.27 | Overand | granted i don't your network topology |
| 21:12.30 | Lanani | valdyn, Waah GREAT!!!! |
| 21:12.36 | Lanani | valdyn, Thank you!!!! |
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| 21:12.43 | Lanani | I will try it out |
| 21:12.47 | Overand | but if it's plugged into the same switch as your other computers, a superuser on it can watch ALL your network traffic |
| 21:12.47 | Chris86 | hi |
| 21:13.00 | bucky | Phl33t, if it if apache2 do you have a link to mods-available from mods-enabled ? |
| 21:13.04 | Overand | network/internet/whatever |
| 21:13.09 | Phl33t | its just that im totally at a loss for what needs fixing |
| 21:13.12 | Lanani | valdyn, What do I have to do after installing? |
| 21:13.17 | Lanani | Just unsingf the ADSL Tool? |
| 21:13.18 | bucky | for php.load and php.conf |
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| 21:13.32 | Phl33t | yeah, i was trying to do it with apache2, but it was continually giving me errors |
| 21:13.40 | FallOnMe | Overand: s/switch/hub/? |
| 21:13.42 | MaxeyPad | I'm trying to install debian onto a system in a software raid volume raid 1 (2 x 250GB ATA drives). I create the logical raid device, then create the partitions inside the logical raid device, but the partition creation fails. any ideas? |
| 21:13.47 | Phl33t | it wasn't parsing the libphp.so file properly |
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| 21:13.52 | bucky | Phl33t, did you apt-get apache2 ? |
| 21:14.02 | SilentBob | How can I install and overwrite when install a deb file? |
| 21:14.11 | Phl33t | bucky: i uninstalled it, i can reinstall really quickly though |
| 21:14.17 | SilentBob | Like if there is anything in the deb file that already exists...I want it to be overwritten with the stuff in the deb file. |
| 21:14.20 | Phl33t | bucky: it was just giving me problems |
| 21:14.24 | FallOnMe | SilentBob: dpkg --force-overwrite some.deb |
| 21:14.28 | FallOnMe | -i |
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| 21:14.42 | bucky | Phl33t, which mpm are you using ? prefork ? |
| 21:14.52 | SilentBob | thanks a lot FallOnMe |
| 21:14.52 | Phl33t | bucky: ...ehehe, what? |
| 21:15.06 | valdyn | Lanani: i have no idea, but google has alot of things ( in german ) |
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| 21:15.20 | einsteinmg | % /lib/ld-uClibc.so.0 --library-path /usr/i386-uclibc-linux/lib ./discover |
| 21:15.20 | einsteinmg | Invalid ELF header |
| 21:15.20 | einsteinmg | % |
| 21:15.21 | shingouz | Lanani: just make a not of how your current system is connecting to the internet. you need to know if it is on DHCP and if you must use PPPoE to connect. grab all the usernames and passwords of the current system and use them for your linux install |
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| 21:15.27 | bucky | Phl33t, are you using apache2-mpm-prefork ? |
| 21:15.33 | shingouz | s/not/note |
| 21:15.38 | nydust | streuner, strange now apache has started, now i dont get that error after I changed the server name... but i dont see the webpage in the browser |
| 21:15.44 | einsteinmg | what could be wrong? |
| 21:15.53 | Phl33t | bucky: i dont even know what that is.. i'm kind of a n00b when it comes to linux |
| 21:16.02 | kreg | god i love the geico commercials. just saw the "even a cave man can do it" one |
| 21:16.05 | Phl33t | bucky: i realize its a package, but dont have a clue what it does |
| 21:16.12 | bucky | Phl33t, i think php only works with apache2-mpm-prefork ? |
| 21:16.14 | Overand | Phl33t: then can i sugget you NOT give out root access to people on the internet? |
| 21:16.28 | mngrif | kreg: my favorite is the "lets get campy!" one |
| 21:16.34 | Overand | I mean the ratio of people who would help to people who would screw you up is pretty huge, but still |
| 21:16.41 | Phl33t | overand: yeah yeah, its more the configuration side that i'm not too slick with |
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| 21:16.50 | Overand | heh |
| 21:16.52 | humbolt | I guess sarge never will be released! |
| 21:16.56 | Overand | 95% of linux is the configuration side |
| 21:17.03 | Overand | !troll humbolt |
| 21:17.31 | Lanani | valdyn and shingouz, I downloaded the driver and will do my best to get it work |
| 21:17.34 | Lanani | I will return soon! |
| 21:17.42 | Lanani | THANK YOU ;o) |
| 21:17.44 | nksen | anyone in here has a working TWINVIEW configuration with an nvidia card? |
| 21:17.50 | bucky | kreg.. that is sooo condescending |
| 21:17.52 | kreg | mngrif, old navy style one? |
| 21:17.57 | mngrif | (i am not feeding the troll) why not run testing anyway? i run unstable and it's rock-solid and has been since i installed |
| 21:17.58 | kreg | dude that is NOT cool |
| 21:18.03 | bucky | lol |
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| 21:18.05 | mngrif | kreg: yeah, i love it |
| 21:19.04 | mwilson | mngrif: It's not whether or not unstable will break, it's WHEN will it break, and can you recover from it? |
| 21:19.13 | InitMass | http://www.wgilk.com/linux/screenshots/nine_041705.png which calendar is this guys using? |
| 21:19.25 | FallOnMe | mngrif: good thing you don't use, say, php or pyzor, or something else that broke a few dozen sarge machines around here. Ah yes. sendmail. |
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| 21:19.31 | humbolt | whatever you wanna state with making me a troll, waiting for sarge to emerge has become quite boring. |
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| 21:19.41 | mwilson | <shrug> gdesklets |
| 21:19.45 | mngrif | mwilson: in my... 5+ years of running debian, unstable hasn't given me a single problem. guess i'm just lucky. |
| 21:20.15 | Overand | humbolt: how about this |
| 21:20.24 | Overand | you can have your money back! |
| 21:20.31 | mngrif | dselect, on the otherhand, REALLY breaks things.. thank god for aptitude |
| 21:20.41 | FallOnMe | mngrif: just keep installing eacj and every version of libc6, you're guaranteed to have a horrible breakage every few years or so. ;-) |
| 21:20.41 | mwilson | Oh, please. |
| 21:20.42 | Overand | I guarantee the debian foundation will pay you back for all the money you wasted pre-ordering sarge. |
| 21:20.49 | Phl33t | overand: despite the fact that giving root to the public is ridiculously stupid, it sure did catch enough attention to get me some help ;) |
| 21:20.52 | mikael_ | hi |
| 21:21.14 | hdkiller | !hu |
| 21:21.15 | dpkg | hu is, like, Ha magyarul beszelsz kerlek probald a #debian.hu -t. |
| 21:21.18 | valdyn | !info xdslusb |
| 21:21.44 | humbolt | Overand: Well, that's what keeps me waiting. |
| 21:21.47 | mikael_ | i'm using alsa drivers and oss emulation is enabled but if i start xmms and vlc at the same time i have the sound from one program only |
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| 21:22.24 | CyberShadow | hey, I have exactly the same problem! |
| 21:22.33 | FallOnMe | mikael_: what if you don't use oss emulation? ;-) |
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| 21:23.17 | PerfDave | mikael_: It could be that your sound card doesn't have hardware mixing support in ALSA, in which case your best option is to generate an ALSA dmix file for software mixing. |
| 21:23.23 | C17H21NO4 | Does dpkg have a factoid on captive-ntfs |
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| 21:23.52 | shingouz | C17H21NO4: msg dpkg and try |
| 21:23.58 | Overand | humbolt: what, exactly, about 'sarge not being released' is bothering you? is it just that you want security. and the associated team aimed at the newer packages? |
| 21:24.14 | mikael_ | PerfDave how can i generate an alsa dmix file ??? |
| 21:24.16 | C17H21NO4 | shingouz: Well it wasn't captive-ntfs, captive, or captive ntfs |
| 21:24.23 | marsje | Question: how can I check in both Windows and Debian whether I have a full or half duplex ethernet connection? my connection seems terribly slow for 100 Mb... |
| 21:24.28 | PerfDave | mikael_: Buggered if I know, I never worked it out. |
| 21:24.34 | PerfDave | C17H21NO4: /msg dpkg listkeys captive |
| 21:24.35 | CyberShadow | well, not exactly... I just isntalled ALSA and KDE won't play the event sounds... however, JuK and xmms can play (even at the same time) |
| 21:24.37 | shingouz | C17H21NO4: hmm.. in that case i doubt that there is one |
| 21:24.37 | directhex | marsje, mii-tool |
| 21:24.39 | mikael_ | PerfDave thanx |
| 21:25.02 | PerfDave | CyberShadow: Have you set the output device for ALSA correctly in the Control Centre? |
| 21:25.09 | CyberShadow | duh |
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| 21:25.25 | CyberShadow | you mean the "sound system" page? |
| 21:25.29 | marsje | directhex: ah, it works... 100 Mbit Full Duplex.... how about Win2K? |
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| 21:26.00 | FallOnMe | marsje: if you're running samba, I haven't ever gotten more than 5-6 MB/s on 100Base-TX, switched, full duplex. |
| 21:26.01 | js | is it possible to do some kind of tar loopback device thing with device mapper or something like that? |
| 21:26.04 | CyberShadow | PerfDave: if I set that wrong, other apps won't play at all |
| 21:26.07 | PerfDave | CyberShadow: Uhm, I mean the output device for aRts, the KDE sound server. |
| 21:26.11 | Phl33t | bucky: okay, i reinstalled apache2.. and i linked to the php4.conf and php4.load files.. when i restart apache2, i get this error: |
| 21:26.12 | Phl33t | Cannot load /usr/lib/apache/1.3/libphp4.so into server: /usr/lib/apache/1.3/libphp4.so: undefined symbol: ap_block_alarms |
| 21:26.42 | marsje | FallOnMe: I'm talking about 16 Kbps now on a 100 Mbps link |
| 21:26.42 | Overand | FallOnMe: i pull down about 30 megabits from my win2k box to my debian box, both p4 2.4 |
| 21:26.45 | CyberShadow | PerfDave: if you mean "Ovverride device location", it's turned off |
| 21:26.49 | Overand | i think both using realtek lan too |
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| 21:27.03 | chealer | Phl33t: are you sure you didn't do a bad mix between apache and apache2? |
| 21:27.03 | Overand | it really surprised the crap out of me. |
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| 21:27.19 | FallOnMe | marsje: now that's too low. |
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| 21:27.36 | Phl33t | chealer: to be honest, probably |
| 21:27.37 | humbolt | Overand: I want something final to work with, I wanna stop updating and know, the bugs are closed. |
| 21:27.42 | Phl33t | chealer: but how would i fix that? |
| 21:27.46 | marsje | FallOnMe: sure is... I used to have normal speeds when I was running Suse on the same hardware... |
| 21:27.58 | marsje | FallOnMe: exceot I goes through a Speedtouch router now |
| 21:28.00 | CyberShadow | PerfDave: also, strangely enough, the "test sound" button works as expected |
| 21:28.03 | marsje | except |
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| 21:28.22 | valdyn | !find amedyn sid |
| 21:28.48 | osiris_ | Hello all, just wondering if you could help me i have a AC`97 Sound card and for some reason i cant use skype or record audio for that matter all i get is could not open device for writing /dev/dsp |
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| 21:28.50 | shingouz | valdyn: dpkg is awol |
| 21:28.59 | chealer | Phl33t: I'm not sure what you did, but uninstalling the one you won't use could help |
| 21:29.19 | shingouz | osiris_: add yourself to the audio group and logout/login |
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| 21:29.28 | Phl33t | chealer: uninstall using what? apt-get? |
| 21:29.39 | chealer | Phl33t: if you want |
| 21:29.46 | Overand | or just sudo -u (username) what you want to do if you REALLY don't want tio login/logout, heh |
| 21:30.04 | shingouz | Overand: with skype? :p |
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| 21:30.14 | mngrif | anyone have experience with the quickcam USB? |
| 21:30.29 | Overand | well, i'm just talking about 'refresing permissions' |
| 21:30.30 | Overand | but yeah |
| 21:30.36 | Overand | skype is a bit fragile |
| 21:30.42 | Overand | is it still hardcoded to /dev/dsp ? |
| 21:31.27 | shingouz | the version i have here is still on /dev/dsp iirc |
| 21:31.29 | Overand | god. for anyone who's a console user and likes music, or who restarts X a lot, i can't reccomend mpd enough. apt-get install mpd --- http://musicpd.org |
| 21:31.32 | Overand | friggin great app |
| 21:31.38 | Phl33t | chealer: i already tried that, it leaves so much shit behind.. |
| 21:31.39 | deckrider | On Debian/Sarge, I'm using gnupg.vim - Plugin for transparent editing of gpg encrypted files ... it works fine with gvim and vim. However while using it with cream it has a problem: when clicking "save" on cream, it saves correctly, but what was recently added on screen (in the buffer?) has disappeared. Quiting and then re-editing the saved .gpg file shows that everything was indeed saved properly. |
| 21:31.44 | mngrif | Overand: agreed |
| 21:31.52 | Overand | unfortuantely the QT and ncurses packages aren't in the main debian repository, but that's ok |
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| 21:32.20 | Overand | there's a decent unofficial repository, if you swing that way |
| 21:32.30 | double_c | deckrider: checked the bts ? |
| 21:32.33 | shingouz | Overand: neat |
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| 21:33.21 | Overand | shingouz: it's also pretty stable and very fast. lots of people run it on stuff like headless P-120s and whatnot |
| 21:33.36 | deckrider | double_c: there were no bugs shown at bugs.debian.org/cream and gnupg.vim isn't in Debian that I can tell |
| 21:33.39 | chealer | Phl33t: what do you mean exactly? |
| 21:33.41 | Overand | updating the database is *very* fast, i'm surprised it works. |
| 21:33.56 | shingouz | Overand: maybe one day i get the inspiration to rty it out too ;) |
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| 21:34.24 | geit | I have a server behind NAT. Do I use the public or the private ip in the /etc/hosts? |
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| 21:34.36 | double_c | deckrider: can't help you then, thought someone else might have had the same problem, that;s all |
| 21:34.36 | Overand | it's worth it. it works out of the box, just no security settings. apt-get install mpd mpc gmpc (gnome client) |
| 21:34.48 | Overand | and put a symlink in /usr/share/mpd/music to your music library |
| 21:34.53 | Overand | and do: "mpc update" |
| 21:34.55 | Overand | and yer done |
| 21:35.00 | enola | what is the best way to begin clustering (beowulf, mosix, oscar) |
| 21:35.06 | Overand | (sorry for the excessive use of the enter key) |
| 21:35.12 | deckrider | double_c: yeah, I would think that also....oh well, thanks anyway |
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| 21:36.26 | nydust | how can i reinstall apache? |
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| 21:36.41 | mngrif | Overand: what's the name of the curses client? |
| 21:36.46 | shingouz | ...a Free CLI version of skype would be neat... ;) |
| 21:36.48 | Overand | ncmpc |
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| 21:37.02 | PerfDave | nydust: apt-get --reinstall install apache |
| 21:37.12 | mngrif | Overand: any reason the php interface isn't in debian? |
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| 21:37.14 | Overand | but you'll wanna add deb http://musicpd.org/~normalperson/debian/ncmpc ./ to your sources.list if you want that |
| 21:37.22 | Overand | mngrif: i'm not sure. it may just not have a maintainer |
| 21:37.49 | Overand | http://musicpd.org/~normalperson/debian/APT has some info on the available packages at that unofficial repository |
| 21:37.52 | mngrif | Overand: ah.. actually i need the curses interface for my gentoo box... P200 |
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| 21:38.11 | mngrif | (yes, i'm insane). |
| 21:38.22 | Overand | mngrif: source should be available on the site, musicpd.org. i'm using the curses client now, it's totally acceptable. |
| 21:38.27 | Overand | at 80x25 =] |
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| 21:39.29 | Overand | with any luck i'll be able to get my WYSE terminal not sucking wind, and i'll have a WY-60 dedicated to more or less being a controller for mpd =] |
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| 21:41.04 | Garp | cafe_roy: Thanks. It does work. |
| 21:41.28 | furrywolf | Message from syslogd@localhost at Mon Apr 18 14:23:29 2005 ... |
| 21:41.29 | furrywolf | localhost kernel: Disabling IRQ #10 |
| 21:41.31 | furrywolf | grr |
| 21:41.58 | mngrif | Overand: nice :) |
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| 21:44.28 | Overand | yeah, but anything over just lines with carraige returns at the end ends up completely scrambled on that terminal |
| 21:44.32 | Overand | it's lame |
| 21:44.45 | Overand | i don't think it's the terminal, i just think i've got somethign misconfigured somewhere |
| 21:44.49 | Overand | ncurses apps look like HELL |
| 21:45.49 | ecivo | how can I check if a package is installed? |
| 21:46.00 | nydust | how can i compleatly remove apache and reinstall it... Like it was when i first installed it? |
| 21:46.04 | directhex | Overand, busted locale. try unicode_start if not in tty1 |
| 21:46.05 | bob2 | ecivo: dpkg -l foo | grep ^ii |
| 21:46.09 | directhex | or use a unicode-compatible *term |
| 21:46.17 | ecivo | thanks bob, |
| 21:46.17 | bob2 | nydust: dpkg -P --force-depends apache ; apt-get install apache |
| 21:47.27 | mngrif | btw, for you people wondering who does the song on the PSP commercial.. it's Franz Ferdinand - Take Me Out |
| 21:47.38 | bob2 | ew |
| 21:47.42 | directhex | how is that relevant to #debian? |
| 21:47.42 | PerfDave | nydust: apt-get --purge remove apache; apt-get install apache |
| 21:47.46 | directhex | or a hard song to recognise? |
| 21:47.51 | bob2 | he came #1 in the hottest 100 |
| 21:47.54 | bob2 | jjj listeners-- |
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| 21:48.23 | mngrif | directhex: something i asked yesterday and got flamed like a bitch for it |
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| 21:49.26 | Overand | there's an MPD client that's a script that runs inside irssi. dunno if i'm ready for tht kind of commitment =] |
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| 21:49.43 | mngrif | Overand: i made a script for xchat to handle xmms.. |
| 21:49.53 | IrcCE- | Hey, does anyone have any experience with debian-HPCmips? |
| 21:49.58 | marsje2 | I'm still having a very slow (20 KBps) connection on my 100 Mbps full duplex link... Are there any debian settings that decide how fast a link is? I'm using sarge |
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| 21:50.31 | IrcCE- | dang check out my nick |
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| 21:51.02 | furrywolf | any hints on tracking down "irq x: nobody cared" messages? |
| 21:51.18 | IrcCE- | nobody at all have any experience with debian-hpcmips? |
| 21:51.40 | Overand | mngrif: that's nifty. xchat's kinda... xchatty tho |
| 21:51.40 | Overand | hehe |
| 21:51.45 | Overand | er |
| 21:51.48 | Overand | xmms is xmmssy |
| 21:51.57 | directhex | marsje2, mii-tool |
| 21:51.58 | Overand | GOD WHY DO I HIT ENTER SO MUCH?! |
| 21:52.06 | furrywolf | !enter |
| 21:52.07 | dpkg | The enter key or carriage return key is not a substitute for punctuation. Use a period '.', comma ',', colon ':', semi-colon ';' emdash '---', or ellipsis '...' instead. |
| 21:52.10 | furrywolf | :) |
| 21:52.58 | marsje2 | directhex: eth0: negotiated 100baseTx-FD, link ok |
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| 21:53.10 | daaku | anyone know of any software that'll perform a full system diagnostics? i cant figure out why my desktop keeps randomly crashing. i've tried memtest, dismantling the pc and rebuilding it, and reinstalling debian on a new partiton, but it still keeps crashing randomly. i've tried the stock kernel, and a custom kernel, no difference. |
| 21:53.52 | furrywolf | daaku: do you use ACPI? |
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| 21:53.59 | HSorgYves | evening |
| 21:54.12 | furrywolf | if so, try disabling it... causes oddness on some boards, from my experience. |
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| 21:55.07 | daaku | furrywolf: no i dont, i've disabled it in the kernel |
| 21:55.23 | Overand | daaku: chcek your power supply voltages, and fans |
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| 21:55.32 | furrywolf | also, if you have a VIA usb chipset, make sure nothing is trying to share an IRQ with it... some via chipsets don't play nicely with anything else. |
| 21:55.36 | Overand | daaku: and you used memtest86? |
| 21:55.43 | furrywolf | cpu temp too |
| 21:55.52 | furrywolf | (apt-get install mbmon will do all that on most boards) |
| 21:56.05 | Overand | and also worth trying is running - for example - knoppix, or windows, or *whatever* |
| 21:56.09 | Overand | just try a different OS for kicks |
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| 21:56.27 | Overand | NetBSD, anything. rule out linux, if you're totally stumped |
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| 21:56.34 | Overand | (and yes i know knoppix is linux-based) |
| 21:56.52 | Basic2EE | I have an in-deb override file for linda, but linda still reports the problem. Any ideas? |
| 21:56.55 | shingouz | daaku: i used to have mysterious crashes too on one of my computers. the problem was with the cpu cooling. didn't look like it really had a problem but a bit bigger fan cured the problem and the system was rock solid after that |
| 21:57.00 | furrywolf | and, if you have an older (p3 or early p4) motherboard, check the capacitors on the board for any signs of swelling or leaking. |
| 21:57.07 | daaku | Overand: i've used memtest, it didnt report any errors, the fans are running too. i dont remember the details about the power supply, but when i got the parts i remember making sure it was good enough |
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| 21:57.10 | jan_ | Overand: i'll tell you a secret, it's even debian based! |
| 21:57.24 | daft | :o |
| 21:57.37 | cebka | hi, are there any reason why ip_nat_h323 module is not in debian kernel? |
| 21:57.57 | Overand | jan_: BLASPHEMY! of course i know that =] |
| 21:58.06 | jan_ | Overand:) |
| 21:58.08 | furrywolf | daaku: what motherboard is it? |
| 21:58.09 | daaku | shingouz: i though about getting a better fan, but these crashes sometimes happen right after a boot, even if i give the system a few hours to cool down |
| 21:58.15 | Overand | daaku: go into your BIOS setup and check the power supply voltages in there. |
| 21:58.25 | Overand | daaku: that doesn't mean it's nto heat related |
| 21:58.31 | Overand | but seriously |
| 21:58.36 | daaku | furrywolf: its a gigabyte 7VAXP |
| 21:58.36 | jan_ | Hmm, i'm into trouble, the default shell from my root account is 'gone' there is 'test' in /etc/passwd as shell |
| 21:58.36 | Overand | check the power supply voltages in your bios |
| 21:58.46 | Overand | it'll list " +12" and what it actually is, -12, +5, etc |
| 21:58.49 | shingouz | daaku: so did mine.... and the psu can also be flaky, doesnt have to be a lot flaky just a bit is enough |
| 21:58.54 | Overand | check your +12 -12 and +5 rails |
| 21:59.03 | Overand | yeah |
| 21:59.10 | daft | the -12 and -5 are near 0 btw |
| 21:59.16 | Overand | ???? |
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| 21:59.22 | Overand | daft: what? |
| 21:59.26 | jan_ | so anyone knows a solution besides booting init=/bin/bash ? |
| 21:59.46 | daft | that are the grounds of the 12 and 5 |
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| 21:59.47 | Overand | jan_: log in as a standard user who is a SUDOer |
| 21:59.49 | bucky | jan_, upgrade to linux |
| 21:59.50 | daft | not -12 and -5 |
| 21:59.57 | sobersabre | tz problems.... |
| 22:00.01 | furrywolf | ga-7vaxp is on the badcaps list. check the capacitors, especially near the cpu, for any signs of the tops buldging. |
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| 22:00.04 | Overand | daft: i thought there was a -12, oh well |
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| 22:00.16 | sobersabre | why would i have 1 hour back than what's needed ? |
| 22:00.31 | Overand | i'm too modular-synth headed. +15,-15, +15, and three grounds =] |
| 22:00.36 | Overand | <3 MOTM modular |
| 22:00.43 | jan_ | Overand: well, i dont have sudo ;) |
| 22:00.46 | bucky | cat fight |
| 22:00.46 | daft | mine -12 is -1.91 right now |
| 22:00.47 | shingouz | Overand: there is both -12 and -5 on ATX iirc |
| 22:00.55 | furrywolf | daaku: check to make sure the tops of all the capacitors are perfectly flat, and not slightly dome shaped |
| 22:01.01 | Overand | shingouz: so tell that to daft, heh |
| 22:01.08 | Overand | yeah good point |
| 22:01.11 | Overand | check for preggie caps |
| 22:01.15 | daaku | i have a feeling it might be the HD, is there any way i can test the entire HD? (got a lot of partitions) |
| 22:01.25 | Overand | daaku: surface scan? |
| 22:01.29 | shingouz | daft: there is both -12 and -5 on ATX iirc (as reuquested by Overand) ;) |
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| 22:01.40 | Overand | shingouz: heh thanks |
| 22:01.48 | Overand | !atx-voltages daft |
| 22:01.49 | Overand | haha |
| 22:01.54 | furrywolf | overand: the ga-7vaxp is on the badcaps list... meaning it's prone to capacitor plague. |
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| 22:02.00 | daft | I know there is a -5 and -12 but the voltage on it isnt -12 and -5 |
| 22:02.05 | daaku | Overand: yea, that would be good enough i think |
| 22:02.05 | Overand | furrywolf: oohhhh... nice. yeah |
| 22:02.08 | Overand | that could easily be his problem |
| 22:02.17 | daft | get ksensors see for your self |
| 22:02.21 | Overand | i should look at the caps in my cobalt RaQ 4 too |
| 22:02.38 | shingouz | daft: i do not use an ATX here. not that i have AT for that matter ;) |
| 22:02.38 | Overand | daft: uh... that would be a bad implimentation of your sensor chip in lmsensors |
| 22:02.41 | dfinn | so after updating to the latest version of xfree86 for sarge I can no longer use the touchpad on my laptop, however my usb mouse works fine. I can't seem to figure it out. Anyone have any ideas? |
| 22:02.59 | Overand | daft: if -12 isn't reading near -12, then... something's wrong |
| 22:03.04 | shingouz | dfinn: psmouse and mousedev |
| 22:03.06 | sobersabre | dfinn, u probably need synaptics driver |
| 22:03.17 | Overand | daft: check in your bios sometimes. some apps actually vary WIDELY from what the bios hardware montitor reports |
| 22:03.21 | furrywolf | overand: my -5 and -12 both read as 0. always have. works perfectly. go figure. :) |
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| 22:03.26 | directhex | !warezed capacitors |
| 22:03.27 | dpkg | warezed capacitors are the bane of 2002-era motherboards. See http://www.siliconchip.com.au/cms/A_30328/article.html |
| 22:03.36 | dfinn | shingouz: I have both of those modules loaded. and knoppix seems to be able to use it just fine. |
| 22:03.39 | Overand | haha |
| 22:03.42 | daft | the -5 and -12 arnt shown in the bios |
| 22:03.46 | directhex | furrywolf, add a url for a badcaps list to that factoid |
| 22:03.47 | Overand | ALL YOUR ELECTROLYTE FORMULA ARE BELOND TO US |
| 22:03.49 | dfinn | sobersabre: did they change the driver name? |
| 22:03.53 | Overand | daft: odd |
| 22:04.01 | furrywolf | warezed caps? LOL! |
| 22:04.05 | sobersabre | dfinn, no, but are you sure you've installed it ? |
| 22:04.07 | furrywolf | never heard that name before |
| 22:04.08 | daaku | so how would i figure out if that's the problem? open it up and look at it, or is there some sensor software to help me out? |
| 22:04.10 | directhex | people called me mad when i suggested their capacitors were 1337 w4r35 |
| 22:04.13 | Overand | yeah, i like it |
| 22:04.24 | shingouz | !tell dfinn about 2.6 mouse |
| 22:04.28 | Overand | daaku: to check for bad caps, you need to actually look |
| 22:04.30 | furrywolf | daaku: just as a quick test, pop the case off, and make sure the tops of all the capacitors are perfectly flat. |
| 22:04.49 | sobersabre | my clock is 1 hour behind. it is set to the local time. |
| 22:04.54 | daaku | alright, gonna open it up |
| 22:04.58 | Overand | haha mwilson i misread that as 'overand's current...' |
| 22:05.03 | Overand | that's what i get for IRCing from a TV |
| 22:05.06 | sobersabre | i synch it with timed's but... still it is 1 hour behind! |
| 22:05.07 | shingouz | sobersabre: summertime? |
| 22:05.10 | aardvark | my clock is set to Badgertime. |
| 22:05.23 | sobersabre | you mean daylight spending ? |
| 22:05.23 | Overand | i'm like HEY! I do NOT have a lot of dependencies... |
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| 22:05.32 | dfinn | shingouz: I'm not sure what you are getting at. I have both of those loading at bootup. This used to work just fine and no no longer does. I haven't made any changes to my X config file. |
| 22:05.35 | furrywolf | recently I've recapped a FIC KA-11 and two MSI 694D Pro boards... |
| 22:05.37 | shingouz | sobersabre: yes |
| 22:05.58 | sobersabre | shingouz, how can i control it ? |
| 22:06.01 | mwilson | Gods, such crap |
| 22:06.09 | Overand | furrywolf: what's your solder station? |
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| 22:06.13 | dfinn | sobersabre: I had this working before w/o any synaptic driver, is there a reason why I would need it now to make it work? |
| 22:06.17 | shingouz | sobersabre: tzconfig i guess |
| 22:06.20 | Overand | i've got a Weller WTCPT and i *still* wouldn't want to do that |
| 22:06.24 | furrywolf | http://www.badcaps.net/forum/showthread.php?p=2317 <== there's some pics of what your caps should NOT look like. |
| 22:06.44 | Overand | furrywolf: can you message me that link so i can check it out when i have a mouse and a GUI? =] |
| 22:06.44 | sobersabre | shingouz, i've done that. doesn't help. can BIOS mix things up ? |
| 22:07.04 | furrywolf | overand: badcaps.net isn't too hard to remember. :) |
| 22:07.07 | shingouz | sobersabre: maybe, depends on the bios and how you have set it up |
| 22:07.08 | lunaphyte | can someone suggest a reasonable channel to ask ssh-related questions in? |
| 22:07.24 | daft | lunaphyte: shoot |
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| 22:07.34 | furrywolf | I have an old, crap sylvania vacuum desolderer... works well enough. |
| 22:07.39 | dondelelcaro | lunaphyte: if it's ssh on Debian, you can ask here |
| 22:07.42 | mwilson | Ok, where does evocrap keep account settings, if not in ~/.evolution ? |
| 22:07.46 | mwilson | In the Registry? |
| 22:07.52 | dondelelcaro | heh |
| 22:07.57 | PerfDave | mwilson: gconfd? |
| 22:07.59 | sobersabre | dfinn, if you look into your XF86Config ... if it uses "synaptics" driver... you need it. anyways check the log file |
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| 22:08.06 | lunaphyte | daft: thanks :) what is the difference between password authentication and keyboard-interactive authentication? |
| 22:08.12 | Overand | furrywolf: yaeh, well, when you've inhaled as much... er... solder flux fumes... as i have, your memory doesn't work so well =] |
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| 22:08.30 | lunaphyte | dondelcaro: it is - ^^^ |
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| 22:08.36 | furrywolf | over: lol |
| 22:08.48 | dfinn | sobersabre: it doesn't refer to that driver and it never has. I see nothing unusual in the log file, and it seems to think it's loading the drivers for the mice just fine. |
| 22:09.07 | k0walski | what should I apt-get to allow me to compile applications from source??? gcc? |
| 22:09.08 | daft | lunaphyte: oi that i never wonderd about :/ |
| 22:09.09 | lunaphyte | er- dondelelcaro - sorry :) |
| 22:09.16 | sobersabre | do you have a touchpad disable button ? |
| 22:09.24 | sobersabre | dfinn, do you have a touchpad disable button ? |
| 22:09.34 | Overand | yeah is there a dev metapackage? |
| 22:09.35 | dfinn | sobersabre: not that I know of. |
| 22:09.35 | furrywolf | daaku: caps look ok, or look funky? |
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| 22:09.56 | nydust | how do i easlye find the line 1050 in a config file? |
| 22:09.58 | Overand | k0walski: gcc is one of the things you'll need, yes. |
| 22:10.01 | sobersabre | dfinn, do you have any buttons that have square with 2 little buttons below it ... ? |
| 22:10.06 | dfinn | sobersabre: are you speaking of a hardware button on the laptop somewhere? if so I don't think that's the case because I can boot off a knoppix cd and it works just fine with that. |
| 22:10.25 | dfinn | sobersabre: i don't think so |
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| 22:10.29 | bob2 | nydust: in vi, 1050G, in emacs, m-x goto-line 1050 |
| 22:10.35 | jago25_98 | Why won't this let me edit a .iso: `chmod 777 /path/image.iso && mount -o loop /path/image.iso /mnt/loop && mount -o remount,rw /path` (it still says read-only) ? |
| 22:10.43 | lunaphyte | more specifically - how can i get pam_ldap to work with ssh/keyboard-interactive authentication? |
| 22:10.44 | bob2 | jago25_98: you can't edit isos |
| 22:10.50 | sobersabre | dfinn, then it's drivers issue, rmmod all the related drivers and insmod them back in diff. order should work. |
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| 22:11.10 | Overand | jago25_98: iso is a read-only filesystem. you'll need to mount it, copy the files somwhere, edit it, and recreate it |
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| 22:11.23 | daaku | furrywolf: there are 2-3 that look like the top-center has popped up a little bit |
| 22:11.33 | furrywolf | daaku: there's your problem. |
| 22:11.41 | jago25_98 | The remount,rw option used to work, I'm sure it did |
| 22:11.44 | furrywolf | daaku: congrats, you've got capacitor plague. :) |
| 22:11.45 | Overand | ISO-9660 spec is very specifically read-only, it's not designed to allow changes to the filesystem. you can hexedit a little |
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| 22:11.50 | bob2 | jago25_98: no |
| 22:11.54 | daft | lunaphyte: I think there is a pap ssh debian package try that |
| 22:11.55 | Overand | jago25_98: then you must have had magic softrware. look up the iso-9660 spec |
| 22:11.58 | daft | pam* |
| 22:12.00 | bob2 | jago25_98: the kernel has never had iso9600 write support |
| 22:12.04 | bob2 | jago25_98: maybe you used udf? |
| 22:12.12 | furrywolf | daaku: either get a new motherboard, or find someone with serious soldering experience to replace the capacitors. |
| 22:12.15 | Overand | NOTHING has iso-9660 write support. ISO9660 is a READ ONLY FILESYSTEM |
| 22:12.47 | jago25_98 | I better reboot into WinISO |
| 22:12.50 | furrywolf | replacing the capacitors is neither easy nor cheap, so your best bet is to get a new motherboard on ebay. |
| 22:13.02 | karamelos | I cannot access my cdrom because my /dev/cdrom is a link to /dev/scd0. how can I restore the cdrom file/device? |
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| 22:13.11 | daaku | furrywolf: i think i'm gonna go with a new motherboard.. |
| 22:13.12 | cafuego | Just geta brand new one from a shop. Warranty is nice. |
| 22:13.24 | karamelos | !discover |
| 22:13.25 | dpkg | it has been said that discover is a hardware identification system based on the libdiscover1 library, or see hotplug |
| 22:13.32 | daaku | cafuego: yea, i think i need warranty ;) |
| 22:13.39 | mngrif | Overand: thank you soo much for reminding me about mpd... i used it a year or so ago.. it's improved a lot to say the least |
| 22:13.40 | cafuego | daaku: What cpu you got? |
| 22:13.50 | Overand | mngrif: no prob |
| 22:13.53 | daaku | cafuego: athlon 2000+ |
| 22:14.01 | Overand | god, thank goodness for tab complete. it's so hard to reaaaaaaaaally read things on this screen |
| 22:14.13 | cafuego | daaku: What mobo was it before? KT400 or 600? |
| 22:14.21 | shingouz | karamelos: make a new link to whereever the cd is or just hack your fstab so that it points to the /dev/scd0 (or whatever the cd sits on) |
| 22:14.28 | agney | how can I configure my apache with utf-8 support ? |
| 22:14.32 | mngrif | Overand: tab completion is what made me switch to linux :) |
| 22:14.37 | lunaphyte | daft: thanks. |
| 22:14.39 | daaku | furrywolf: thanks for your help! i would have probably tried so much crap before realizing its the MB! |
| 22:14.51 | furrywolf | daaku: the short summary is that a bunch of capacitor manufacturers bought a batch of electrolyte that was produced from an incorrect stolen (mmm, industrial espionage) forumula, and shipped a few years worth of crappy capacitors to the motherboard makers... |
| 22:14.51 | Overand | mngrif: yeah. wouldn't you know winxp console has tab-complete? kinda nice actually |
| 22:15.09 | Overand | on any XP box i have to use, i also make batch files called 'ls' and 'mv' and 'cp' that, well... you get the idea |
| 22:15.18 | daaku | cafuego: KT400 |
| 22:15.20 | Overand | just beacuse i'm REALLY likely to try to ls, mv, or cp in dos |
| 22:15.25 | furrywolf | daaku: I've replaced the caps on a pile of motherboards... seen way, way too many buldging capacitors. :) |
| 22:15.33 | mngrif | Overand: helps with virus removal, that's for sure. try installing cygwin on an XP machine, makes the experience a lot nicer |
| 22:15.37 | shingouz | Overand: cygwin perhaps? ;) |
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| 22:15.49 | Overand | shingouz: or colinux =] |
| 22:16.03 | cafuego | daaku: *nod* My KT400 blew up a couple of months ago, i switched to an nforce2 mobo, they have marginally better performance. |
| 22:16.04 | shingouz | Overand: bah, just install linux on the damn box |
| 22:16.04 | Overand | cygwin + puttycyg is where it's at though |
| 22:16.15 | mngrif | colinux + distcc + gentoo = i can install gentoo on a P200!! in less than a week!! |
| 22:16.16 | Overand | shingouz: not at work, where i'm an audio engineer, heh |
| 22:16.29 | furrywolf | daaku: if you get a new motherboard/cpu, feel free to ship them my way... I still have a couple hundred capacitors left from my last order. :) |
| 22:16.49 | karamelos | shingouz, I have link /cdrom linked to /dev/cdrom. I worked before I installed discover. Now /dev/cdrom has turn into a link to /dev/scd0. How can I restore the original /dev/cdrom file? |
| 22:16.51 | shingouz | Overand: make your boss turn his back while you install linux on the damn box? |
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| 22:17.04 | Overand | the moment that *really* good audio production + editing software comes out on linux, i'll migrate some work machines to it |
| 22:17.05 | daaku | cafuego: i was thinking looking at one of those, they look nice, any issues with linux? |
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| 22:17.12 | Overand | shingouz: eh, i'm usually SSHed home anwayy |
| 22:17.17 | shingouz | karamelos: can you access the cdrom in the first place? |
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| 22:17.26 | furrywolf | (ship the old ones my way, that is) |
| 22:17.33 | daaku | furrywolf: hehe, sure |
| 22:17.33 | cafuego | daaku: None that IĀ“ve noticed. |
| 22:17.35 | directhex | daaku, nforce2 is absolutely fine with a 2.4.23 kernel or above |
| 22:17.47 | karamelos | shingouz, no. I just can access the cd-recorder which is in /dev/scd0. |
| 22:17.47 | cafuego | daaku: Mind you, I mainly run Linux on the amd64 now. |
| 22:17.57 | daaku | directhex: cool, i guess i'll get that |
| 22:17.59 | Overand | audiactiy is a good audio editor if you don't mind circa 1997 capabilities =] |
| 22:18.02 | Overand | but i like it |
| 22:18.16 | furrywolf | daaku: I could use an athlon 2000+. would be the fastest cpu I own by a fair margin. :) |
| 22:18.22 | mngrif | Overand: let me know when some good audio stuffs comes out too.. |
| 22:18.23 | shingouz | karamelos: there is no such device as /dev/cdrom, even that one is just a link to whereever the cd actually sits on |
| 22:18.31 | PerfDave | There were some great albums made in 1997. Not everybody needs an XL9000J ;) |
| 22:18.38 | daaku | cafuego: i'm trying to decide if i should upgrade just the mb, or upgrade to a amd64 system! |
| 22:18.56 | cafuego | daaku: Well... what kind of budget do you have? :-) |
| 22:19.00 | shingouz | karamelos: you need to figure out where the hell the device actually is and do some creative rm and ln on the system. or remove discover |
| 22:19.05 | directhex | daaku, nforce4! and dual-core athlon fx! |
| 22:19.09 | directhex | daaku, and 4gb ram! |
| 22:19.20 | karamelos | shingouz, how do you have your cdrom in your fstab? |
| 22:19.28 | daaku | furrywolf: as of last night, not much, just ordered a powerbook :) |
| 22:19.39 | cafuego | daaku: I went from an athlon 2400+ to an AMD64 2800+ - the speed difference is amazing. |
| 22:19.47 | directhex | PerfDave, when it's faster than p4, for 32bit apps? |
| 22:19.48 | shingouz | karamelos: i think it is something along the lines of /dev/sr5 or something at the moment |
| 22:19.50 | daaku | directhex: that would be nice. the Ars God Box ;) |
| 22:20.01 | cafuego | PerfDave: They well outperform same-rated non-amd64 boxes even in 32bit mode. |
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| 22:20.31 | furrywolf | my second-to-last recap... before: http://www.bushytails.net/~randyg/p1010027-small.jpg (note the rounded tops on the black ones) after: http://www.bushytails.net/~randyg/p1010002-small-a.jpg |
| 22:20.35 | karamelos | shingouz, how can I figure out where is the cdrom device now? |
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| 22:20.48 | anihilator | newbie question: where does firefox store temp internet files? |
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| 22:21.02 | PerfDave | cafuego: I'm aware of that. But hell, my 1.2GHz Athlon is fast enough for pretty much everything I throw at it. |
| 22:21.06 | guestish | hey |
| 22:21.06 | cafuego | daaku: Just for reference; my nforce2 mobo is a Gigabyte GA 7N400S-L |
| 22:21.08 | guestish | anihilator: ~/.firefox most likely |
| 22:21.09 | shingouz | karamelos: /dev/sr6 /cdrom iso9660 ro,user,noauto 0 0 |
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| 22:21.12 | guestish | anyone think its a good time to buy a laptop? |
| 22:21.14 | shingouz | karamelos: dmesg? |
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| 22:21.18 | keir | what could happen in an apt-get dist-upgrade that could rm -rf my ~/.gaim, ~/.ssh, ~/.firefox, and possibly others (still looking) after I reboot my machine??!~?!?! (/me is not happy) |
| 22:21.26 | bob2 | keir: nothing |
| 22:21.28 | d0s4gw | guestish: when is it not? |
| 22:21.30 | guestish | it a good time or a bad time... |
| 22:21.30 | mwilson | keir: Nothing. |
| 22:21.46 | AciD | oi |
| 22:21.47 | keir | i've never seen anything like this.... i wonder what happened |
| 22:21.50 | mwilson | Grrrr, and of course evocrap prints better, but has this idea that every user of it must be blind or something. |
| 22:21.51 | cafuego | PerfDave: When processing digital video, the amd64 is over twice as fast as my athlon... I think IĀ“ll stick with the 64bit box ;-) |
| 22:21.54 | keir | chrootkit returns nothing |
| 22:21.58 | guestish | d0s4gw: yea... |
| 22:21.59 | keir | chkrootkit rather |
| 22:22.03 | directhex | keir, file sytem b0rkage? |
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| 22:22.08 | furrywolf | daaku: I need to bbl... need to fix someone's computer... if you do decide to replace the motherboard/cpu, email me at irc@bushytails.net :) |
| 22:22.08 | shingouz | keir: dist-upgrade to sid? |
| 22:22.09 | directhex | keir, which file system is ~ on? |
| 22:22.11 | keir | directhex, hmm, this is true. |
| 22:22.15 | d0s4gw | if you can make use of one, and afford it, then yea, get it |
| 22:22.15 | keir | ~ is on / |
| 22:22.16 | PerfDave | cafuego: FFS, can you be bothered to read what I said? |
| 22:22.36 | keir | shingouz, i'm already on sid, and just dist-upgrading as usual (i do so every week or so) |
| 22:22.39 | cafuego | PerfDave: Just pointing out that what YOU thow at a box is irrelevant to ME. |
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| 22:22.49 | karamelos | shingouz, got it. dmesg says it is in hdb. |
| 22:22.52 | smurfy | hi |
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| 22:22.58 | mwilson | keir: Not to change the subject, but whyinhell are you using dist-upgrade, then? |
| 22:22.58 | daaku | furrywolf: will do. thanks again. |
| 22:22.59 | smurfy | any packet shaper here ? |
| 22:23.04 | shingouz | keir: would a normal upgrade do instead of the dist-upgrade? |
| 22:23.07 | fallen_again | does anyone here know about the iso images for debian installs? I've looked at the contents, and they don't seem to contain a kernel or anything. How does the computer boot off of them? |
| 22:23.07 | Pinnen | sarge is testing right? :-) |
| 22:23.09 | directhex | keir, and what file system is /? |
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| 22:23.14 | keir | directhex, ext3 |
| 22:23.18 | PerfDave | cafuego: Well, obviously. I didn't say that AMD64 on the desktop was pointless, after all. |
| 22:23.18 | d0s4gw | can someone point me in a direction on how to customize gnome? im hoping to make it look like the dock in os x |
| 22:23.24 | shingouz | karamelos: in that case make it /dev/hdb then |
| 22:23.25 | furrywolf | daaku: also send an email to gigabyte telling them that your motherboard doesn't work because they bought the cheapest caps they could find. :P |
| 22:23.26 | directhex | keir, a dodgy /home-eating FS if ever i saw one |
| 22:23.27 | keir | shingouz, i thought a normal upgrade wouldn't install new packages, only upgrade old ones |
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| 22:23.44 | karamelos | shingouz, thanks 4 your help. |
| 22:23.47 | shingouz | keir: you sure you should be running sid in the first place...? |
| 22:23.48 | daaku | oh, just for future use, how do i do a surface scan? |
| 22:23.50 | shingouz | karamelos: np |
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| 22:23.58 | keir | shingouz, am i correct or not? |
| 22:24.01 | cafuego | PerfDave: No. For someone whose machine just blw up itÅ the obvious choice. Cheaper and Intel and not much more expensive then amd32. |
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| 22:24.11 | book | pff |
| 22:24.14 | shingouz | keir: i think it does upgrade what is needed |
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| 22:24.28 | keir | shingouz, yes, but it will not upgrade if it requires installing new packages |
| 22:24.41 | furrywolf | daaku: glad to help. :) |
| 22:25.05 | book | I've got an ASUS A7N8X-X and a Sempron 3000+, and the netinst cd does not detect the ide bus and drives |
| 22:25.06 | shingouz | keir: that is weird then. i have not had to do any dist-upgrades in ages, a pure upgrade seems to take care of it |
| 22:25.09 | PerfDave | cafuego: *shrug* I still think it's overkill. |
| 22:25.15 | keir | shingouz, the manual bears that out. see man apt-get. |
| 22:25.27 | guestish | whats the difference between AMD and Intel? |
| 22:25.30 | guestish | as far as processors? |
| 22:25.31 | directhex | book, which netinst? |
| 22:25.32 | cafuego | book: Use the 2.6 kernel. Boot Ā“linux26Ā“ |
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| 22:25.39 | d0s4gw | book: i've got the a7n8x deluxe and it went more or less ok |
| 22:25.51 | book | linux26A instead of linux26 ? |
| 22:25.54 | cafuego | PerfDave: Yeah, 640K! |
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| 22:26.02 | directhex | book, which net inst are you trying to use? |
| 22:26.03 | keir | shingouz, pure apt-get update will not, under any circumstances, change the installed status of a package. thus, if a new version of an installed package has new dependancies, apt-get upgrade will not upgrade it (because it will not install a new pagkage on its own) |
| 22:26.06 | cafuego | book: linux26 |
| 22:26.10 | PerfDave | cafuego: Maybe it won't be when Longhorn ships ;) |
| 22:26.13 | book | directhex: the one I got from the website tonight |
| 22:26.17 | book | a few minutes ago |
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| 22:26.28 | directhex | book, what a fucking useless answer. WHERE on the website? there are about a hgundred netinst isos on there |
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| 22:26.42 | book | directhex: let me type the url |
| 22:26.43 | suifur | lmao |
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| 22:27.24 | book | http://cdimage.debian.org/pub/cdimage-testing/sarge_d-i/i386/rc3/sarge-i386-netinst.iso |
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| 22:27.49 | fallen_again | is there a way to manually install debian from a net install cd without going through the dialoge? |
| 22:28.20 | directhex | fallen_again, why, exactly? |
| 22:28.28 | PerfDave | fallen_again: Through what dialogue? |
| 22:28.30 | shingouz | keir: i believe you get to keep the pieces of the install now. if you use automagical thingies you are bound to bork something |
| 22:28.31 | directhex | book, did you do a regular 2.4.27 install or 2.6.8? |
| 22:28.44 | book | I type linux26 on the install prompt |
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| 22:29.04 | fallen_again | directhex: I'm trying to install debian (unmodified) on my sharp zaurus using disk images. i can get into the installer, but since there is no cdrom drive I have to load the packages ina different way |
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| 22:29.22 | directhex | so try a 2.4-based install, though i've never seen a problem with sarge and nforce2's ide controller |
| 22:29.36 | fallen_again | PerfDave: the install dialogue that you get when you boot from one of the cd's. |
| 22:29.39 | book | I've a 2.4 installed already, which works rather well, but I'd like my disks to go faster than 2Mbps, and I've been told that the chpiset is supported under 2.6 |
| 22:29.40 | daaku | in top, in the Cpu line, does wa stand for wasted? whenever i use my HD that shoots up to a high number.. could that mean my HD's also fried? |
| 22:29.42 | Overand | fallen_again: you probably want to do it over NFS with debootstrap if you can boot that thing oevr NFS |
| 22:29.48 | PerfDave | fallen_again: If you don't go through the dialogue, how can it be a manual install? |
| 22:30.06 | PerfDave | book: You can install with 2.4 and upgrade to 2.6 afterwards? |
| 22:30.08 | directhex | book, so apt-get install kernel-image-2.6-k7 |
| 22:30.16 | fallen_again | Overand: I'm trying to avoid NFS because that would be VERY complex. |
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| 22:30.29 | Overand | fallen_again: copmplex to ge tthe thing to boot off nds? |
| 22:30.29 | book | didn't work : the ide drives/bus are not detected at boottime |
| 22:30.51 | fallen_again | PerfDave: by running the varios installer binaries with whatever parameters they need. |
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| 22:31.06 | PerfDave | fallen_again: You're making no sense. |
| 22:31.13 | directhex | book, ask on the debian-kernel mailing list, or file a bug against kernel-image-2.6.8-2-k7 |
| 22:31.26 | fallen_again | Overand: yes. I would have to build a boot env. with the correct network stuff installed. |
| 22:31.35 | fallen_again | PerfDave: Let me try and clarify. |
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| 22:32.11 | book | directhex: what useful info could I include ? |
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| 22:32.22 | fallen_again | PerfDave: The sharp zaurus is capable of booting off of any disk image. So I can take one of the initrd.gz files, and boot off of it. |
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| 22:32.46 | Overand | but the installer is looking for the stuff in /dev/whatever-cd-blahblah |
| 22:32.53 | Overand | ? |
| 22:32.56 | sharkie | i just installed a program using apt-get |
| 22:33.06 | PerfDave | sharkie: Well done! |
| 22:33.10 | sharkie | where do i go to find the files via shell? |
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| 22:33.25 | Overand | sharkie: most 'installed' apps can just be run by tyuping their name |
| 22:33.27 | fallen_again | PerfDave: BUT if I use the normal boot procedure (from the netisntall cd) I wind up having to give it a cdrom with drivers, but there is no cdrom. I have everything I need on disk images, but no cdroms. |
| 22:33.48 | PerfDave | fallen_again: You're trying to install Debian on a Zaurus? |
| 22:33.53 | fallen_again | PerfDave: Sure. |
| 22:33.53 | Overand | oh you mean FLOPPY images? |
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| 22:34.09 | Overand | fallen_again: did you google thios first to see if anyone's done it successfully? |
| 22:34.09 | PerfDave | fallen_again: No idea about that. |
| 22:34.11 | fallen_again | Overand: well not really. I happen to be using normal images. |
| 22:34.18 | PerfDave | sharkie: "dpkg -L $package" should tell you the files contained in $package |
| 22:34.32 | sharkie | Overand: i need to find the files to that installed program |
| 22:34.41 | gurubie | How do I convert avi to mpeg in debian (or what channel?) |
| 22:34.43 | Overand | sharkie: read what PerfDave just said |
| 22:34.57 | PerfDave | It's probably in the FAQ somewhere ;) |
| 22:35.03 | fallen_again | Someone has put together a modified environment based on debian, but I wanted to see if I could do a raw install. |
| 22:35.10 | PerfDave | gurubie: mencoder, probably. Which is probably in marillat. |
| 22:35.41 | sharkie | thanks PerfDave |
| 22:35.44 | fallen_again | Overand: this is basically breaking newish ground. |
| 22:36.10 | Overand | fallen_again: what cpu arcitechture is the zaurus? arm? |
| 22:36.16 | fallen_again | yes. |
| 22:36.26 | Overand | and there's an arm net-install cd? |
| 22:36.30 | fallen_again | Overand: yes |
| 22:36.37 | Overand | hm |
| 22:36.38 | Overand | well |
| 22:36.40 | Overand | if i were you |
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| 22:36.48 | Overand | i'd use the d-i thing |
| 22:36.50 | fallen_again | Overand: if there was an hd install cd I would try that, |
| 22:36.50 | Overand | er |
| 22:36.58 | Overand | the d-i builder |
| 22:37.04 | fallen_again | PerfDave: The new zaurus has a 4gb internal disk. |
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| 22:37.13 | PerfDave | fallen_again: That's nice for it. |
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| 22:37.20 | Overand | and edit where it expects to load everything from |
| 22:37.21 | Overand | hm |
| 22:37.27 | Overand | ::thinks:: |
| 22:37.33 | nvz | I already got two palms a left one and a right one, and neither seems half as featureful as a zaurus |
| 22:37.35 | fallen_again | PerfDave: yes I rather thought so. |
| 22:37.38 | Overand | you'll proably wnt help from someone more adept than me |
| 22:37.43 | fallen_again | lmho |
| 22:37.49 | PerfDave | fallen_again: I want a PDA that Just Fucking Works, a Zaurus can't do that. |
| 22:38.08 | fallen_again | PerfDave: Yup. got me there. i want a pda that I can Con into being a computer. |
| 22:38.23 | suifur | ipaq? |
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| 22:38.30 | PerfDave | fallen_again: If I wanted a computer, I'd buy a laptop. If I wanted a PDA, I'd buy a Palm. I have no use for a Zaurus :) |
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| 22:38.32 | d0s4gw | etch a sketch? |
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| 22:38.39 | Overand | fallen_again: www.zipitwireless.com =] |
| 22:38.40 | suifur | taco? |
| 22:38.42 | Overand | TWO MEGS FLASH MAN. |
| 22:38.43 | doublehp | where is dpkg ??? |
| 22:38.44 | fallen_again | suifur: watch your language |
| 22:38.46 | fallen_again | ;-) |
| 22:38.50 | suifur | :-O |
| 22:38.52 | doublehp | I need him |
| 22:38.55 | suifur | !do fallen_again |
| 22:38.56 | d0s4gw | light bright! |
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| 22:38.59 | dondelelcaro | doublehp: netsplit got it |
| 22:38.59 | suifur | boo |
| 22:39.00 | nvz | the thing I dont like about the palm pilot is I programmed a ton of shit into it, and dont have a pc interface yet.. and it looses all its fucking data when you replace the batteries |
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| 22:39.10 | suifur | nvz: ewww |
| 22:39.12 | d0s4gw | pda's are garbage |
| 22:39.19 | fallen_again | suifur: you said ipaq |
| 22:39.25 | d0s4gw | it takes too long to get it to work right |
| 22:39.26 | Overand | d0s4gw: got something meaningful to contribute? |
| 22:39.33 | suifur | fallen_again: is shitpaq better? |
| 22:39.34 | d0s4gw | and even when it does, it still runs too slow |
| 22:39.40 | fallen_again | lmho |
| 22:39.40 | d0s4gw | yea, just get a laptop |
| 22:39.43 | llahm | Hello, how do I get bash to quit pausing the output from its completion suggestions at screenful boundaries? |
| 22:40.05 | PF_ | anyone here have FiOS (From Verizon)? |
| 22:40.10 | fallen_again | llham:you can change the PAGER env variable |
| 22:40.19 | gurubie | PerfDave, Asimilated. Thak you. |
| 22:40.32 | fallen_again | Overand: pretty cool. |
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| 22:41.21 | shingouz | llahm: also when bash asks you "do you really want to see all 29378429736582765 possibilties, y/n) say no and try adding a couple more letters on the line before you hit tab again |
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| 22:42.20 | fallen_again | Overand: do you know how the cdrom detection works in the installer? |
| 22:42.36 | llahm | shingouz: but in this case i want to save all of the possibilities and use them in a script |
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| 22:43.00 | caphuso | llahm: try "set page-completions on" in your ~/.inputrc |
| 22:43.04 | shingouz | llahm: ouch. i do not see any reason to do so but... well |
| 22:43.33 | sharkie | anyone here installed eggdrop before? |
| 22:44.01 | daffy-pkf | sharkie> what's your problem with eggdrop? |
| 22:44.07 | doublehp | dondelelcaro: is there a way to perform a ` apt-cache search | grep ` without installing a Debian ? |
| 22:44.07 | FieldySnuts | yeah when i was a kiddie on efnet. |
| 22:44.13 | llahm | shingouz: there is one, just believe me, but it's way too weird to even explain |
| 22:44.23 | llahm | caphuso: ah-ha, that's the ticket |
| 22:44.25 | llahm | caphuso: thanks |
| 22:44.37 | caphuso | llahm: that translates to "i'm too lazy to look for a better way", doesn't it? |
| 22:44.51 | nvz | oh well I am going back home to get drunk and high I guess.. heh been working all day, its past beer:30 already its quarter till ... |
| 22:45.01 | dondelelcaro | doublehp: not trivially, but you can do it by using grep on the Packages file that you download. |
| 22:45.04 | bucky | @ravensmite FieldySnuts |
| 22:45.17 | FieldySnuts | @lart bucky |
| 22:45.22 | sharkie | daffy-pkf: i installed eggdrop using apt-get |
| 22:45.27 | Overand | fallen_again: no idea how d-i works, really. you'll want to ask other people, proabbly |
| 22:45.35 | sharkie | daffy-pkf: then i proceeded by reading the README file |
| 22:45.36 | Overand | or maybe #debian-arm or something? |
| 22:45.46 | fallen_again | Overand:thanks. |
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| 22:46.22 | d0s4gw | are there any mainstream video players other than totem worth looking into? |
| 22:46.27 | shingouz | fallen_again: install with a plain debootstrap perhaps? /me has no idea how though |
| 22:46.29 | sharkie | daffy-pkf: the readme said to copy /usr/share/doc/eggdrop/eggdrop.simple.conf to the bot's directory |
| 22:46.40 | nvz | d0s4gw: well totem isnt a video player for one thing |
| 22:46.40 | shingouz | d0s4gw: mplayer? |
| 22:46.49 | nvz | d0s4gw: its more like a frontend |
| 22:46.54 | sharkie | daffy-pkf: i cannot find where the bot's directory is |
| 22:46.57 | sharkie | to put it there |
| 22:47.04 | d0s4gw | nvz: front end for what? |
| 22:47.06 | FieldySnuts | guess: /etc/eggdrop (make it) |
| 22:47.06 | willie_ | how can I make a debian install CD from a local mirror? We are charged excessive amounts for non local data |
| 22:47.13 | FieldySnuts | and i bet you copy it there as eggdrop.conf |
| 22:47.14 | nvz | d0s4gw: xine or some other player |
| 22:47.23 | daffy-pkf | sharkie> well,i compiled it, but i think you can choose any directory |
| 22:47.28 | d0s4gw | ok, then are there any better frontends? |
| 22:47.32 | FieldySnuts | or maybe ~/.eggdrop/ |
| 22:47.34 | d0s4gw | something with playlists? |
| 22:47.36 | daffy-pkf | sharkie> i didi a user specific to the bot |
| 22:47.49 | daffy-pkf | sharkie> and launch it from it's home dir |
| 22:47.53 | nvz | d0s4gw: just use gxine *shrug* |
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| 22:48.03 | sharkie | daffy-pkf: huh? |
| 22:48.04 | fallen_again | shingouz: where would I get such an image? |
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| 22:48.39 | daffy-pkf | sharkie> i'm not sure but i think you can copy that file where you want |
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| 22:48.53 | nvz | I dont have internet where I am staying, just a thumbdrive.. and I am ready to go sitr on the couch and drink all night... and sneaker net isnt going to keep me on IRC, so I am going to get out of here |
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| 22:49.04 | daffy-pkf | sharkie> in a directory wich will be the bot's directory... |
| 22:49.07 | shingouz | fallen_again: uh, im reading up an the subject myself at the moment. from what i have managed to gather so far, just boot the system into linux and run do most of the work yourself |
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| 22:49.24 | shingouz | fallen_again: google debian debootstrap install |
| 22:49.24 | nvz | when I figure out exactly where I am staying and for how long, I will probably get some internet |
| 22:49.33 | fallen_again | Shingouz: thanks will do |
| 22:49.40 | sharkie | daffy-pkf: so basically what you're saying is i can copy that file in any direcotry and it'll be the bot's directory? |
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| 22:50.59 | daffy-pkf | sharkie> as far as i know the config file can be chmod +x it, then run it, the bot's directory will be the one where the file is... but you should check what i say, i'm not sure of it |
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| 22:52.35 | lanchow | i have choose a keymap with kbdconfig, but why it doesn't apply in my X session ? |
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| 22:52.44 | jaredj | has anyone ever had a 39-pin IDE cable and a 40-pin IDE header? if so what did you do? |
| 22:52.50 | jaredj | lanchow: running gnome? |
| 22:53.04 | lanchow | jaredj: ion3 |
| 22:53.05 | jaredj | lanchow: wait i think that's a separate keymap |
| 22:53.14 | shingouz | jaredj: get another cable, they are cheap |
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| 22:53.43 | jaredj | shingouz: i paid $5.99 for this one... ripped off |
| 22:54.06 | shingouz | jaredj: almost six bucks? gee.. is it made out of unobtainium? |
| 22:54.32 | jaredj | lanchow: i believe x has its own keymap settings; you can look for xkb in the x config file |
| 22:54.39 | fallen_again | shingouz: thanks, this looks like what I needed. |
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| 22:54.47 | lanchow | ok, thank you |
| 22:55.11 | mngrif | jaredj: poke a hole where the hole should be... thumbtacks work well for this. |
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| 22:55.41 | IceD^ | hello |
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| 22:55.52 | IceD^ | I just installed apache2 & subversion |
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| 22:56.01 | IceD^ | created svn repos |
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| 22:56.08 | mngrif | jaredj: or, chop the pin on the drive off... but i don't reccomend that for obvious reasons. |
| 22:56.11 | IceD^ | and configured dav_svn module |
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| 22:56.27 | IceD^ | when I'm going to http://host/svn, I'm getting Could not open the requested SVN filesystem |
| 22:56.31 | IceD^ | what to do? |
| 22:56.36 | aardvark | IceD^: you're not running debian, are you... |
| 22:56.48 | IceD^ | aardvark: I'm running debian |
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| 22:56.53 | IceD^ | 3.1 on that server |
| 22:56.58 | aardvark | right... |
| 22:57.30 | IceD^ | local pc is gentoo however :) |
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| 22:57.55 | aardvark | meh. |
| 22:57.59 | jaredj | iced: does the web server have permission to read the svn files? |
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| 22:58.07 | jaredj | iced: i.e. the user www-data |
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| 22:58.15 | IceD^ | jaredj: hmm |
| 22:58.19 | michal_d | does anyone here have any experience with building custom debian-installer discs? |
| 22:58.20 | IceD^ | it should |
| 22:58.22 | kraehe | i just noticed that raidtools2 are removed from Sarge - how to repair my RAID now ? |
| 22:58.31 | IceD^ | the rights are 755 |
| 22:58.39 | jaredj | iced: got sudo? sudo -u www-data cat /foo/bar/baz |
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| 22:58.55 | aardvark | !why is raidtools2 not in testing |
| 22:58.56 | dpkg | raidtools2 is not in testing for the reasons listed in http://bjorn.haxx.se/debian/testing.pl?package=raidtools2 |
| 22:59.04 | Frankablu | kraehe: Don't break it? |
| 22:59.04 | jaredj | iced: is it a bdb repos or fsfs? bdb might need r/w perms to create a lockfile |
| 22:59.14 | jaredj | feh fsfs probably does too |
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| 22:59.48 | jaredj | mngrif i have a safety pin. it didn't work at all. |
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| 23:00.23 | jaredj | iced: try making the whole repository 777 |
| 23:00.24 | IceD^ | ahha - made chown to www-data:root and now it seems to be ok |
| 23:00.25 | IceD^ | thnx |
| 23:00.31 | jaredj | iced: oh ok cool :) |
| 23:00.39 | jaredj | iced: rather more secure than 777 :) |
| 23:00.53 | mngrif | jaredj: erm... i used a blowgun dart to poke the hole SEVERAL times... as long as you can tunnel it deep enough, it should work... otherwise see if you can swap cables on another box? |
| 23:01.22 | jaredj | mngrif: the plastic's rather hard... i made a little dent |
| 23:01.41 | mngrif | jaredj: i didn't say it was easy :P |
| 23:01.46 | jaredj | mngrif: i haven't any other boxes; all my pc junk is three hours away :( |
| 23:01.59 | jaredj | i already had to buy two power cables |
| 23:02.02 | jaredj | power cables! |
| 23:02.04 | michal_d | i think i may have to try installing redhat 9.. maybe then i can migrate it to debian. |
| 23:02.07 | kraehe | Frankablu: good joke - now - but what to do now - i wanted to migrate several systems from Woody to Sarge - but now all of them are stalled - and one test system already has a broken raid |
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| 23:02.15 | jaredj | how many of those do you have laying around? i've got like 12 |
| 23:02.22 | mngrif | the darts i used have tips that are grounded into a pyramid type shape.. made easy work of the plastic |
| 23:02.22 | jaredj | except not here :( |
| 23:02.23 | shingouz | jaredj: some cables do have the hole there but it is plugged with a very small plug. see if you can extract the plug |
| 23:02.40 | shingouz | oh. so not you are hacking a powercable |
| 23:02.46 | shingouz | s/not/now |
| 23:03.00 | jaredj | shingouz: no just complaining because i actually had to buy one. |
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| 23:03.19 | mngrif | jaredj: blowgun darts? hundreds, at least... most have been lost from scraping my pipes though |
| 23:03.29 | shingouz | eeeek! *buying* a power cable jaredj? that sucks ;) |
| 23:03.38 | jaredj | exactly. $2.99 or some crap |
| 23:03.45 | humbolt | how can I find out why apt-get -V dist-upgrade wants to deinstall all my kde? |
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| 23:03.51 | jaredj | mngrif ??! |
| 23:03.53 | Frankablu | kraehe: Look at the bottom left http://packages.qa.debian.org/r/raidtools2.html |
| 23:04.09 | humbolt | zope as well, by the way |
| 23:04.14 | mngrif | i went dumpster diving and came back with a printer paper box FULL of power cables and extenders |
| 23:04.16 | jaredj | yeh no connections in this town yet. |
| 23:04.21 | humbolt | have sarge with some additional packages |
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| 23:04.33 | mngrif | ended up giving the box to a lan party |
| 23:04.55 | jaredj | mngrif we've tons of them at work, but they're Not Available |
| 23:04.57 | mngrif | jaredj: i would go into detail but it's against debian policy :P |
| 23:05.06 | jaredj | heh ? |
| 23:05.07 | kraehe | Frankablu: compile it myself ? |
| 23:05.22 | michal_d | anyone know if it's difficult to migrate to debian sarge from a ubunto hoary install? |
| 23:05.39 | Overand | stuff will probably break. |
| 23:05.44 | suifur | michal_d: would probably be hell |
| 23:05.45 | Overand | over time |
| 23:05.46 | Overand | =] |
| 23:05.54 | PerfDave | michal_d: If you do, we won't be able to help you with your system. |
| 23:06.08 | suifur | you'll be ostracized for being an inbred :( |
| 23:06.08 | shingouz | michal_d: and why the hell would you like to do that in the first place? |
| 23:06.09 | chealer | michal_d: probably #ubuntu |
| 23:06.16 | mngrif | michal_d: i remember reading something about that on ubuntu's site |
| 23:06.21 | suifur | !fuck michael jackson |
| 23:06.23 | jaredj | michal_d: #debuntu |
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| 23:06.30 | seldon | Hi guys. I don't usually just enter a new channel and ask for support, but I got some really weird problem on my hands here... |
| 23:06.32 | PerfDave | Mixing packages between branches and distros is rarely a good idea, and rarely works. |
| 23:06.35 | michal_d | PerfDave: well there is no system because debian can't install on it |
| 23:06.40 | seldon | You see, I got a native c library hooked up to java via jni, and it works just fine in applications, but when I call it from a tomcat servlet, it produces a sigsegv in libc (memcpy), and I have _no_ idea why |
| 23:06.59 | seldon | So...where do I best ask questions like that? |
| 23:07.05 | Overand | #java MAYBE |
| 23:07.12 | jaredj | hah |
| 23:07.12 | Overand | maybe #tomcat? |
| 23:07.15 | PerfDave | michal_d: So either work out why Debian won't install and fix it, or install Ubuntoy. |
| 23:07.45 | seldon | Thanks. I'd look it up myself, but the server is too crowded to do /list ;P |
| 23:07.46 | michal_d | PerfDave: it won't install because it needs a newer kernel |
| 23:07.52 | jaredj | Ubuntoy is that a new word? (i've been under a rock about ubuntu) |
| 23:07.58 | Overand | michal_d: your best bet is to get the sarge netinstall cd and boot it "kernel26" |
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| 23:08.06 | Overand | did you do that? |
| 23:08.28 | Overand | if you need help installing debian, lots of people here will be glad to help you. |
| 23:08.28 | michal_d | Overand: the 2.6.8 kernel is too old.. i need 2.6.11 (maybe 2.6.10. havn't worked it out for sure yet) |
| 23:08.33 | Overand | michal_d: what system? |
| 23:08.41 | jaredj | seldon: it would be good if you could get that segv outside tomcat somehow |
| 23:08.43 | Overand | are you trying to install on a SATA drive or something? |
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| 23:08.57 | FieldySnuts | @lart sata hype |
| 23:08.59 | Overand | you could roll your own kernel for the installer. |
| 23:09.01 | seldon | I figured that much, but I wasn't able to, yet... |
| 23:09.04 | michal_d | overand: no raid.. forgot what it's called.. sec |
| 23:09.04 | jaredj | t |
| 23:09.15 | PerfDave | michal_d: Why do you think you need 2.6.11? You can build a custom installer image with your own kernel. |
| 23:09.36 | Overand | see, you're not even running it yet, you're just TALKING about installing debian, and we're suddenly 10x more helpful |
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| 23:09.51 | Overand | best bet is to not install on any kind of raid other than a raid mirror |
| 23:09.56 | jaredj | seldon: can you run a fake request by invoking tomcat classes from a java cmdline? |
| 23:10.49 | michal_d | PerfDave: the instructions for building a custom installer don't work. and #debian-boot has been dead for about a day |
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| 23:10.52 | jaredj | seldon: like analogous to running a CGI program from the shell instead of the web server |
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| 23:11.04 | PerfDave | michal_d: Ask on the mailing list instead? |
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| 23:11.23 | seldon | Sort of. It's a weird setup (historically grown), with a double stub class - meaning there are two stub classes, one of which calls the second, and the second calls the library |
| 23:11.33 | michal_d | PerfDave: it's pretty much immaterial at this stage as i somehow have to get linux onto the machine over the next few hours.. then it goes to China |
| 23:11.46 | seldon | My test app calls the first stub class, and that doesn't produce any problems |
| 23:12.06 | PerfDave | michal_d: Install onto a spare IDE disk, install a 2.6.11 kernel, debootstrap onto the RAID :) |
| 23:12.22 | PerfDave | Anyway, bed calls. |
| 23:12.35 | Overand | PerfDave: time zone? |
| 23:12.40 | PerfDave | Overand: GMT |
| 23:12.44 | PerfDave | (or rather, BST) |
| 23:12.49 | Overand | heh |
| 23:12.50 | doublehp | y one here think I am a troller ? |
| 23:12.59 | michal_d | PerfDave: may be worth a try.. |
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| 23:13.14 | FieldySnuts | heh this is amusing http://cm.bell-labs.com/cm/cs/who/dmr/odd.html |
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| 23:14.27 | jaredj | seldon: er can you make stub c code? |
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| 23:14.46 | michal_d | ahh that's it.. HostRAID |
| 23:15.04 | module | hello all, |
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| 23:15.47 | module | i'd like to know which cflags use debian for its binary packages |
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| 23:16.00 | michal_d | ok.. seems i need at least 2.6.10 |
| 23:16.00 | seldon | jaredj: You mean C code that invokes the jvm and calls the java stub class? |
| 23:16.09 | module | specialy for x86:64 port |
| 23:16.23 | module | ups, x86_64* |
| 23:16.25 | jaredj | seldon: no i mean c code that defines the same functions but does nothing. |
| 23:16.39 | seldon | I guess I could do that |
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| 23:17.02 | jaredj | i don't know if that gets you somewhere - |
| 23:17.10 | jaredj | but if it crashes it would |
| 23:17.12 | seldon | I think it'll produce the same problem though. If I read the stack dump correctly, it doesn't go too deep into the library |
| 23:17.13 | seldon | if at all |
| 23:17.17 | jaredj | hmm |
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| 23:17.30 | FieldySnuts | "Back around 1970-71, Unix on the PDP-11/20 ran on hardware that not only did not support virtual memory, but didn't support any kind of hardware memory mapping or protection, for example against writing over the kernel. This was a pain, because we were using the machine for multiple users. When anyone was working on a program, it was considered a courtesy to yell "A.OUT?" before trying it, to warn others to save whatever they were editing." HE |
| 23:17.31 | FieldySnuts | HE i love these old stories |
| 23:17.35 | bug_code | hi friends.. |
| 23:17.37 | FieldySnuts | wow didn't know it was that long, i'm sorry |
| 23:18.03 | jaredj | seldon: is it a thread thing? do your applications have threads? |
| 23:18.09 | bug_code | I have a question...when i give apt-get install gnome is included X11? |
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| 23:18.43 | seldon | Hm. That's a good pointer, it doesn't as of yet... |
| 23:18.45 | chealer | bug_code: no |
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| 23:19.22 | simonrvn | wow |
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| 23:19.27 | Rennegade | chealer: I thought apt took care of dependacies |
| 23:19.28 | simonrvn | FieldySnuts++ |
| 23:19.30 | jaredj | seldon: tomcat surely does use threads |
| 23:19.37 | seldon | I'll have to try that one, thanks. *sheesh, now I got to look up the Java thread stuff again...figures my c++ devotion would cause trouble some day ;P* |
| 23:19.55 | FieldySnuts | simonrvn: heh the story goes on to say how a coder goofed up and wrote over kernel memory |
| 23:20.01 | chealer | Rennegade: X isn't a strict dependency of DEs |
| 23:20.02 | bug_code | i need before apt-get install X11 ou Xfree86 ? |
| 23:20.16 | simonrvn | FieldySnuts: same page as you posted? |
| 23:20.21 | FieldySnuts | simonrvn: yeah |
| 23:20.37 | simonrvn | i'll get there then. i like reading the old unix stories |
| 23:20.39 | Rennegade | chealer: oh. ok. one more thing I didnt know before now |
| 23:20.43 | chealer | Rennegade: for example KDE only suggests X. I told them to increade the dependency to recommend, but they didn't want for some reason |
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| 23:21.09 | jaredj | :) |
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| 23:21.18 | simonrvn | "default ouput of gcc compiler a.out" |
| 23:21.21 | jaredj | i g2g, got to go buy another cable :P |
| 23:21.22 | simonrvn | out* |
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| 23:21.27 | NewpZ | hi when i try to play any vid clip in any movie player i get this and they alll crash.... http://www.pastebin.com/273041 |
| 23:21.29 | jaredj | good luck seldon |
| 23:21.39 | chealer | bug_code: Xfree86 "is" X11 |
| 23:21.55 | seldon | thanks. I'll let you know how it turned out tomorrow. (If you're interested...) |
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| 23:22.04 | bug_code | uyes...but in apt is not the same or is? |
| 23:22.10 | Overand | wow, i just barely missed pouring a can of soda into my UPS |
| 23:22.25 | Overand | and all over my Shuttle SS51G |
| 23:22.34 | Overand | which i'm IRCing from =] |
| 23:22.35 | paulswm | FieldySnuts: thanks for the Unix stories link, very good |
| 23:22.59 | Overand | paulswm: can you paste that link to me in MSG so i can check it out when i have a mouse and a GUI? |
| 23:23.02 | FieldySnuts | i wish it was longer |
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| 23:23.13 | chealer | bug_code: yes it's Xfree86 is X11 everywhere |
| 23:23.26 | chealer | s/yes it's/yes |
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| 23:24.03 | simonrvn | yeh me too. |
| 23:24.07 | oswaldo | hello all |
| 23:24.14 | Overand | FieldySnuts: or... can you? |
| 23:24.20 | simonrvn | "give us more !" :) |
| 23:24.21 | FieldySnuts | eh/ |
| 23:24.32 | bug_code | ok... What's the bigger, X11 or Gnome to download ? |
| 23:24.38 | Overand | msg me that story's url so i can check it out when i ave a mouse and a GUI? |
| 23:24.44 | simonrvn | both together is huge |
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| 23:25.08 | oswaldo | i'm trying to install debian sarge on a supermicro but it doesn't recognice the hrad disk |
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| 23:25.14 | bug_code | I see to Gnome is 150Mb |
| 23:25.20 | simonrvn | Overand: /lastlog bell-labs |
| 23:25.26 | bug_code | X11 is 150Mb too? |
| 23:25.30 | simonrvn | smaller |
| 23:25.33 | oswaldo | can somebody help me pls?? |
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| 23:25.45 | simonrvn | @tell oswaldo -about ask |
| 23:25.57 | crpire | hi |
| 23:26.18 | cg0def | I am trying to mount an ntfs volume and I can't seem to get it work with regular users |
| 23:26.34 | cg0def | only root has permissions to view the mounted volume |
| 23:26.41 | NewpZ | err fixed it.. all i did was delete my ~.xine dir |
| 23:27.02 | Overand | cg0def: chmod? |
| 23:27.02 | cg0def | is this the way it should work or am I doing something wrong |
| 23:27.15 | cg0def | Overand: chmod what? |
| 23:27.44 | cg0def | Overand: the directory that you mount to is supposed to be owned by root |
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| 23:28.27 | ShadowMaster1 | Does anyone here have any experience in getting the zaptel (asterisk PBX) drivers to compile? |
| 23:28.28 | Rennegade | cg0def: chmod |
| 23:28.49 | ShadowMaster1 | never mind.. gotta run.. |
| 23:30.03 | Rennegade | I have a question for some of the people here. How many times did you have to compile your first kernel to get it to work right? I ask because I am on 4 or so and still not quite there. |
| 23:30.24 | kraehe | 2.6.x - infinited - till 2.7 is out |
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| 23:30.29 | shingouz | Rennegade: a few ;) |
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| 23:31.36 | doublehp | Rennegade: even after 2y, I remember I had to compile more than 25 ones for a particular computer |
| 23:32.15 | doublehp | Rennegade: that day, I compiled kernels within 4mn, for about 5h ... |
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| 23:32.18 | oswaldo | simonrvn: i'm trying to install sarge on a supermicro |
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| 23:32.40 | kraehe | a good starting point is to copy the kernel config from Debian - and only change what you need - this often leads into one or two compile/boot cycles |
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| 23:33.02 | shingouz | oswaldo: still not enough information. what is the problem you have |
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| 23:33.15 | FieldySnuts | @smart questions oswaldo |
| 23:33.20 | FieldySnuts | ravenbird: hi |
| 23:33.21 | ravenbird | hey |
| 23:33.28 | outlier | Silly question of the day: Is sarge still testing, or has it become Stable finally? |
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| 23:33.58 | kraehe | i think its frozen - or freezing |
| 23:34.02 | doublehp | outlier: I think when sarge get stable , CNN will warn it :D |
| 23:34.05 | drac | outlier: and silly answer with question: did you read /topic ? |
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| 23:34.45 | seldon | From what I see, it's been stable for a year or so ;P |
| 23:34.50 | outlier | sorry drac. Just trying to figure out why vlc won't run. Thought maybe my sources.list was a problem. |
| 23:35.15 | seldon | I'm using it on my servers for that long without experiencing any problems (not counting those attributed to my own stupidity, of course...) |
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| 23:35.26 | TechDawg | Does anyone know of a util that will identify my CPU? I have two computers that I've been setting up remotely. One is a PII and the other PIII and I cannot recall which is which without going onsite. |
| 23:35.27 | refu | jj |
| 23:35.29 | refu | j |
| 23:35.36 | FieldySnuts | @lart refu |
| 23:35.38 | refu | j |
| 23:35.51 | Nurbs | TechDawg: /proc/cpuinfo |
| 23:35.57 | refu | debaines |
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| 23:36.56 | FieldySnuts | Phated: bite bite |
| 23:37.06 | TechDawg | And how do I get this info Nurbs? |
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| 23:37.15 | FieldySnuts | with cat |
| 23:37.19 | seldon | TechDawg: cat /proc/cpuinfo |
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| 23:37.36 | oswaldo | I'm installing sarge on a supermicro with p4sct+ mainboard but at the begginning of the installation i have a message "no hard drive found" I have a sata hard disk |
| 23:37.38 | Nurbs | please don't tell me those computers are connected to the internet, mr. admin :) |
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| 23:37.39 | TechDawg | Ahhh, now IC. |
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| 23:38.13 | chealer | Rennegade: I didn't try more than once :) |
| 23:38.28 | kurumin_ | hello!!! |
| 23:38.47 | FieldySnuts | hi |
| 23:38.48 | kurumin_ | #conectiva |
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| 23:38.53 | FieldySnuts | no thanks |
| 23:38.57 | Rennegade | well, Im off on another reboot. Hope to talk to you guys with a passable kernel conf |
| 23:39.32 | kurumin_ | #conectiva |
| 23:39.37 | FieldySnuts | shut up |
| 23:39.40 | chealer | kurumin_: stop that |
| 23:39.55 | FieldySnuts | if you're trying to join, put /join in front of it |
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| 23:41.21 | cg0def | is it possible to view ntfs as a regular user and how? |
| 23:41.48 | shingouz | cg0def: /msg dpkg ntfs |
| 23:41.53 | cg0def | thanks |
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| 23:42.47 | cg0def | shingouz: exactly what I needed :) |
| 23:42.52 | doublehp | !ping |
| 23:42.52 | dpkg | pong |
| 23:42.56 | shingouz | cg0def: :) |
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| 23:45.16 | FieldySnuts | heh http://www.bbspot.com/Images/BBloopers/2005/future_computer.jpg also the operating system is funny |
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| 23:46.35 | oswaldo | shingouz: I'm trying to install sarge on a supermicro p4sct+ and i get the message "no hard drives found" I have a sata hard disk |
| 23:47.09 | Eclipser | FieldySnuts, operating system: DOS :D |
| 23:47.31 | shingouz | oswaldo: i do not know how to install on sata, i have never installed on sata nor do i have such drives here. sorry. someone else may be able to help you |
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| 23:48.32 | bucky | oswaldo, which sata controller does the supermicro p4sct+ have? |
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| 23:48.39 | mwilson | augh augh augh augh |
| 23:48.44 | Rennegade | ugh. One problem was solved, but still not there |
| 23:49.01 | mwilson | stupid stupid stupid stupid |
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| 23:49.19 | shingouz | mwilson: stop that, get some caffeine and relax for a while ;) |
| 23:49.21 | oswaldo | bucky: it has a marvell controller |
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| 23:49.43 | Rennegade | what can you guys tell me about 2.6.11.6 and ALi5451 |
| 23:49.46 | mwilson | Had the caffeine, apparently it didn't help. :( |
| 23:50.04 | HeavyD | Anybody know where I can get a keyfile to register Turboprint? |
| 23:50.12 | bucky | oswaldo, google for it and see if linux has a driver for it |
| 23:50.20 | shingouz | mwilson: maybe a smoke then? it helps me at least, has kept me from tossing computers out the window from time to time |
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| 23:51.04 | Rennegade | there is kernel module support and I thought I enabled it, but IDK |
| 23:51.05 | cheal | what's the problem with computers outside? sounds a lot more economical |
| 23:51.11 | kurumin | help! serividor deniede |
| 23:51.23 | FieldySnuts | engrish? |
| 23:51.29 | shingouz | cheal: not really, not when you toss the box out a closed window |
| 23:51.30 | cheal | kurumin: this is an english-speaking channel for debian |
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| 23:51.35 | FieldySnuts | ravenbird: engrish? |
| 23:51.35 | ravenbird | methinks engrish is at http://www.engrish.com |
| 23:51.53 | kurumin | ok |
| 23:52.10 | cheal | shingouz: so why not compute outside? no more window problems :) |
| 23:52.18 | HeavyD | Anybody know where I can get a keyfile to register Turboprint? |
| 23:52.19 | mwilson | stupid stupid stupid stupid |
| 23:52.24 | shingouz | cheal: this is finland and it is *cold* out there |
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| 23:52.30 | mwilson | HeavyD: You buy one, of course. |
| 23:52.36 | bucky | !br |
| 23:52.36 | dpkg | Por favor use #debian-br (/j #debian-br) para ajuda em portugues. |
| 23:52.38 | mwilson | HeavyD: It's not supposed to be difficult. |
| 23:52.39 | R0bNyc | anyone here has the gnome 2.10 debian sources |
| 23:52.51 | cheal | shingouz: ok, as a canadian I'll say you have a point :) |
| 23:53.00 | R0bNyc | repository sources* |
| 23:53.01 | mwilson | R0bNyc: Wouldn't there have to BE Gnome 2.10 Debian sources, first? |
| 23:53.28 | shingouz | R0bNyc: how about reading the /topic? |
| 23:53.35 | mwilson | HeavyD: Did I invite you to /msg me, and I just don't remember it? |
| 23:53.48 | mwilson | HeavyD: And yes, by the way, I do believe in paying for what I get. |
| 23:53.59 | michal_d | i'm trying to take another approach with installing debian to bypass the hardware support problem.. just wondering if the debian rc3 installer supports it.. software raid mirroring |
| 23:53.59 | kurumin | kurumin the best of linux |
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| 23:54.09 | R0bNyc | shingouz: how about screwing urself? |
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| 23:54.13 | mwilson | HeavyD: If I want (A), and it costs something, then either I pay for it, or I don't get it. Seems rather logical. |
| 23:54.21 | cheal | kurumin: /part is your friend |
| 23:54.35 | mwilson | HeavyD: I'm sure someone like yourself, with no morals, has a different approach. |
| 23:54.41 | FieldySnuts | logic, here? |
| 23:54.49 | HeavyD | mwilson: Thanks for being ignorant, I really appreciate it. |
| 23:54.57 | FieldySnuts | HeavyD: touche. |
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| 23:55.16 | bucky | @douche FieldySnuts |
| 23:55.18 | FieldySnuts | mwilson: asking for such things is against policy on this network anyway, could get him killed :) |
| 23:55.24 | FieldySnuts | bucky: fuck off |
| 23:55.28 | mwilson | HeavyD: Oh? Do tell, please... how am *I* ignorant when it's you who doesn't think he should have to pay for it? |
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| 23:55.34 | bucky | !hut FieldySnuts |
| 23:55.39 | FieldySnuts | bleh |
| 23:55.53 | HeavyD | mwilson: I thought that paying 100 dollars for a linux distribution was enough, but obviously not. |
| 23:56.04 | kurumin | 200.201.34.6 divirta-se |
| 23:56.08 | cafuego | ANy perl guru... I want to replace ftpGet() with a HTTP method. Can you explain how? |
| 23:56.12 | bucky | ooooh linspire |
| 23:56.16 | Shorty` | HeavyD: so next time, get a free one, and buy that program :) |
| 23:56.33 | FieldySnuts | apt: pal HeavyD |
| 23:56.38 | FieldySnuts | damnit |
| 23:56.43 | FieldySnuts | ok i can't win tonight, later |
| 23:56.43 | michal_d | also.. does it make sense to software raid the swap? |
| 23:56.44 | bucky | bleh |
| 23:56.54 | FieldySnuts | michal_* no never |
| 23:56.57 | mwilson | HeavyD: How does buying (A) remove the obligation to buy (B), if you need it? |
| 23:57.09 | Shorty` | exactly. |
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| 23:57.24 | HeavyD | mwilson: sorry about being snappy, I didn't mean it honestly. I think I might go buy turboprint. |
| 23:57.27 | mwilson | HeavyD: While it'd be nice if someone liked you enough to give you whatever you want gratis, there's no obligation for anyone to do so. |
| 23:57.52 | karamelos | after running dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xfree86 I get this error: <string>:25: DeprecationWarning: xreadlines is deprecated; use 'for line in file'. |
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| 23:57.57 | karamelos | start_configlet: configlet in path /usr/share/configlets/localeconf is bad |
| 23:58.05 | mwilson | I think it's far more likely that you'll keep trolling until you find a license code. |
| 23:58.19 | HeavyD | um no.. because i've already been doing that. |
| 23:58.19 | FieldySnuts | or get killed on this network (paypal bribe?) |
| 23:58.53 | TechDawg | What would be the general recommendation for a kernel version to run? |
| 23:58.59 | HeavyD | I just found it kind of dumb that I should have to pay to get printing working on my distribution.. thats like charging me 20 bucks to make it so the mouse works |
| 23:59.02 | HeavyD | kinda dumb if you ask me |
| 23:59.12 | FieldySnuts | HeavyD: we didn't set the licensing, don't cry at us |
| 23:59.19 | FieldySnuts | now go away troll |
| 23:59.22 | Shorty` | HeavyD: is it debian? |
| 23:59.38 | bucky | it's $100 debian |
| 23:59.48 | Shorty` | oh, so that makes it different |
| 23:59.57 | mwilson | Why? Does it say on your printer that you're guaranteed Linux printing support in the purchase price? Does it say on the box of whatever distribution you bought that you're guaranteed that support in the purchase price? |
