| 00:00.08 | mike__ | Adrian: yes |
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| 00:00.33 | mike__ | Wyzard: so can i just compile a later kernel instead? |
| 00:00.50 | Wyzard | mike__: Sure, now's a great opportunity to upgrade to 2.6 |
| 00:01.03 | Wyzard | mike__: apt-cache search kernel-image-2.6.8 |
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| 00:01.49 | mike__ | Wyzard: but, i have a alsa4000 soundcard too, which i needed to manually select in 2.4.17 kernel in the source, will the image have that? |
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| 00:02.14 | Wyzard | alsa4000? |
| 00:02.29 | dvs | mike__: lspci | grep Eth |
| 00:02.29 | Wyzard | The only "alsa" I've heard of is a driver framework, not a specific piece of hardware |
| 00:02.37 | dvs | oops |
| 00:02.38 | mike__ | Wyzard: no, advance logic 4000 |
| 00:02.40 | dvs | mike__: lspci | grep audio |
| 00:02.46 | Wyzard | but the Debian kernel-image packages have most modules included |
| 00:02.48 | Wyzard | ah |
| 00:02.56 | mike__ | 0000:00:13.0 Multimedia audio controller: Avance Logic Inc. ALS4000 Audio Chipset |
| 00:03.06 | Wyzard | Well, if you're comfortable compiling custom kernels, feel free to do that -- use the kernel-source-2.6.8 package instead |
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| 00:03.32 | mike__ | Wyzard: im not really comfortable compiling kernels lol |
| 00:03.48 | mike__ | Wyzard: something always usually goes wrong for me |
| 00:03.49 | wayde | any ideas on my question above? :) |
| 00:04.00 | Wyzard | Then install the precompiled kernel-image and see if it supports all your hardware |
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| 00:04.15 | deadcat | wayde: no clue. |
| 00:04.15 | Wyzard | It probably will, and if not, only then do you have to worry about custom compiling |
| 00:04.29 | wayde | deadcat: Cheers :) |
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| 00:04.39 | deadcat | (= |
| 00:04.52 | Wyzard | wayde: You could check using netstat or "lsof -i" to see whether it's actually listening on the port you expect |
| 00:05.02 | mike__ | Wyzard: so i'll just download the kernel image first |
| 00:05.08 | mike__ | Wyzard: :-) |
| 00:05.08 | Wyzard | yeah |
| 00:05.18 | wayde | Wyzard: Cheers |
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| 00:05.47 | Wyzard | mike__: Don't forget you need the prism54 firmware file from prism54.org... it's not distributed with the kernel because it's non-free |
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| 00:06.15 | deadcat | Wyzard: all prism54 cards can do master mode yes? |
| 00:06.47 | Wyzard | deadcat: You mean acting as an AP? |
| 00:06.55 | deadcat | Wyzard: ya. |
| 00:06.58 | Wyzard | deadcat: I think I tried it once and it didn't work, but I could've been doing something wrong |
| 00:07.10 | Wyzard | deadcat: using a Netgear WG511, FWIW |
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| 00:07.33 | deadcat | Wyzard: would be nice if they have usb prism54 cards and can do AP mode (= |
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| 00:08.02 | Wyzard | hehe |
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| 00:08.05 | mike__ | Wyzard: nooo |
| 00:08.10 | mike__ | Wyzard: that sucks |
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| 00:08.44 | [OGI]-full0shrap | hey all, how do i get my scroll mouse hooked up? |
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| 00:09.06 | Wyzard | mike__: I dunno, I don't really see much need for using a wireless card as an AP |
| 00:09.07 | dvs | [OGI]-full0shrap: Does your mouse work in general? |
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| 00:09.14 | [OGI]-full0shrap | yes sir |
| 00:09.28 | dli | what service is on 953/tcp ? rndc ? |
| 00:09.34 | [OGI]-full0shrap | i'm using my fragged pc now... |
| 00:09.43 | dvs | [OGI]-full0shrap: Then put "ImPS/2" as the mouse protocol in your /etc/X11/XF86Config-4 file |
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| 00:10.08 | deadcat | dli: seems like it |
| 00:10.20 | deadcat | [OGI]-full0shrap: dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xfree86 |
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| 00:10.33 | Wyzard | dvs: seems like it to me too |
| 00:10.37 | Wyzard | oops |
| 00:10.38 | dli | deadcat, what? |
| 00:10.46 | Wyzard | no, deadcat's oops |
| 00:10.48 | Wyzard | hehe |
| 00:10.49 | deadcat | dli: thats for named |
| 00:10.51 | [OGI]-full0shrap | now to do the dpkg-reconfig, i have to rename my old XF86 file yes? |
| 00:11.10 | dvs | [OGI]-full0shrap: Just copy it |
| 00:11.11 | deadcat | [OGI]-full0shrap: DONT edit the file by hand. read the comment on the top of the XF86Config-4 file. |
| 00:11.13 | dli | deadcat: oh, I have bind9 running, I thought it is only on 53/tcp |
| 00:11.25 | deadcat | dli: ya. 53 and 953 as well. |
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| 00:11.56 | Wyzard | dli: 53 is for actual DNS queries... 953 is for rndc, which is an implementation detail of bind9 |
| 00:11.59 | dli | deadcat: this is still a compromised box, watching it carefully |
| 00:12.21 | deadcat | dli: i know what you mean. my friend's server at work was rooted as well. (= |
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| 00:12.33 | dli | Wyzard, thanks |
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| 00:12.58 | dli | deadcat, looks fine for me. I worry about the infected init |
| 00:13.01 | [OGI]-full0shrap | hmm, ok so copy it to another name, or dir kill X, kill gdm, and then run dpkg-reconfigure xf86 yes? |
| 00:13.15 | dli | deadcat: can I restart init without effecting running processes ? |
| 00:13.31 | Wyzard | dli: I don't think you can restart init without rebooting |
| 00:13.38 | dvs | [OGI]-full0shrap: copy it, run dpkg-reconfigure, then restart X |
| 00:13.40 | deadcat | [OGI]-full0shrap: just copy the file then run the dpkg-... command. then /etc/init.d/gdm restart |
| 00:13.43 | Wyzard | dli: best you can do is tell the running init to re-read its configuration |
| 00:13.47 | irony | \q |
| 00:13.50 | dli | Wyzard: then, the rootkit couldn't either, right? |
| 00:13.51 | irony | \quit |
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| 00:14.08 | [OGI]-full0shrap | gotcha, thanks all DEBIAN ROCKS |
| 00:14.08 | dli | Wyzard, How do I do that? |
| 00:14.09 | deadcat | dli: restart init? thats like restarting the entire system. |
| 00:14.18 | mike__ | about kernel-image-2.6.8.. i have a P111 Katami so does it matter if i select the -2-386 or -2-686? |
| 00:14.31 | deadcat | dli: or init q, it rereads the /etc/inittab file |
| 00:14.32 | Wyzard | dli: Theoretically, it could've patched init's memory to modify the running process, but that's fairly unlikely |
| 00:14.36 | dvs | mike__: Pick 686 |
| 00:14.37 | dli | deadcat: no, so many user jobs running normally, don't want to reboot |
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| 00:14.57 | deadcat | dli: you mean you want to restart SOME services right? |
| 00:15.12 | mike__ | or should i be using just a kernel-image-2.6.8 and not a kernel-image-2.6.8-2? |
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| 00:15.22 | Wyzard | dli: and of course, it could've modified the on-disk init program, which is what would get loaded if you were to reboot |
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| 00:15.31 | dli | deadcat: I just wonder the rootkit might have done something to init |
| 00:15.41 | dvs | mike__: Use kernel-image-2.6.8-686 |
| 00:15.47 | dli | Wyzard, I corrected the on disk init |
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| 00:16.13 | dli | Wyzard, chkrootkit told me init INFECTED, so I rm it, and apt-get install sysvinit |
| 00:16.14 | deadcat | dli: ah. the best way is to reinstall. (=... did the dude leave the rootkit around? look at what the script did to the system |
| 00:16.23 | Wyzard | ok |
| 00:16.57 | mike__ | dvs: thanks mate |
| 00:17.05 | dli | deadcat: this rootkit doesn't even bother to hide itself from me, it installed /scripts, /usr/local/cpanel, /root/.zk |
| 00:17.05 | dvs | mike__: np |
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| 00:17.50 | Wyzard | dli: hehe... then it's probably not advanced enough to have done something like patching the memory of a running process, so your init is probably OK |
| 00:17.52 | dli | deadcat, but I have rm all them |
| 00:17.54 | deadcat | dli: damn. the one installed on my friend's system put shits in /dev/ptyxx/ and /etc/X11R6/... |
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| 00:18.03 | Wyzard | but note that I say "probably" |
| 00:18.18 | dli | Wyzard, "fuser 953/tcp" hangs forever |
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| 00:18.36 | Xsquared | dvs: no suck package... |
| 00:18.41 | dli | deadcat: this one is called "ZK rootkit" by chkrootkit |
| 00:18.42 | Xsquared | dvs: such ** |
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| 00:19.03 | juan | Hi guyz, how can I install gnome 2.10 from experimental to sid? apt-get install gnome ?? I don't know, thanks :P |
| 00:19.06 | dli | deadcat: oh, and one folder "/tmp/. " |
| 00:19.13 | avatara | i have a messed up entry in my route table and i'm having trouble removing it via route del, the enery is "69.0.0.0 * 255.0.0.0 U 0 0 0 eth0 |
| 00:19.16 | dvs | Xsquared: kernel-image-2.6-686 |
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| 00:19.20 | deadcat | dli: oh ya. ". " and ".. " is popular. heheh |
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| 00:19.28 | dli | deadcat: and "..." |
| 00:19.37 | Xsquared | dvs: i was just going to ask that |
| 00:19.41 | Xsquared | dvs: thanks again |
| 00:19.51 | Wyzard | juan: If you don't know how to install gnome, you probably shouldn't be installing things from experimental |
| 00:19.52 | dli | deadcat: "fuser 953/tcp" hangs forver, any suggestion? |
| 00:19.54 | dvs | Xsquared: no problemo |
| 00:19.58 | Wyzard | juan: It's called "experimental" for a reason |
| 00:20.09 | deadcat | dli: do you have named running? |
| 00:20.22 | rob^ | juan, why do you want to "upgrade" to 2.10 anyway? |
| 00:20.38 | juan | rob^ yes please |
| 00:20.38 | juan | :P |
| 00:20.39 | dli | deadcat: I just did "/etc/init.d/bind9 restart" |
| 00:20.55 | juan | rob^ 'cause I like it and I want to have it on debian |
| 00:20.55 | rob^ | ? |
| 00:20.56 | Xsquared | dvs: so is the 2.6.8 more unstable than just the 2.6? |
| 00:21.01 | KirbyMeister | I'm just trying to figure out how to get rhythmbox or gnomoradio to use dsp1 instead of dsp |
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| 00:21.35 | deadcat | dli: i dont know man. download the named packages to /tmp and extract it there. then do a md5sum on both binaries |
| 00:21.38 | dli | deadcat: how to check named by "ps", no bind or named |
| 00:21.49 | thingfish | Xsquared: not much in Debian is unstable. Even sid is comparatively stable. |
| 00:21.53 | dvs | Xsquared: 2.6 will always give you the latest 2.6 kernel, which is currently 2.6.8 |
| 00:21.57 | juan | rob^ wuill you say me how can I do that? |
| 00:22.00 | rob^ | juan, "just because" isn't a very good reason to upgrade |
| 00:22.03 | Wyzard | KirbyMeister: rhythmbox uses gstreamer for playing audio, so gstreamer is what you want to configure |
| 00:22.16 | KirbyMeister | Wyzard: okay, how to do that |
| 00:22.18 | dli | deadcat: I rm all /var/cache/apt/archieves, and apt-get --reinstall |
| 00:22.21 | Wyzard | rob^: 2.10 has some niceties... I wouldn't mind having it either |
| 00:22.25 | rob^ | notty, because you will end up breaking things eventually |
| 00:22.33 | deadcat | dli: you can just -d to download only. |
| 00:22.34 | notty | ? |
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| 00:22.42 | rob^ | grrr |
| 00:22.46 | juan | rob^ no?? |
| 00:22.47 | rob^ | xchat is so fucked |
| 00:22.53 | notty | i know |
| 00:22.54 | notty | :) |
| 00:22.54 | deadcat | dli: ps -ef |grep named shows 5 lines here. |
| 00:23.08 | PeNNiSmEn | xchat is good |
| 00:23.08 | Wyzard | KirbyMeister: The GNOME preferences stuff has a "multimedia systems selector" which lets you configure which gstreamer plugins to use, but I'm not sure how to configure particular plugins |
| 00:23.09 | PeNNiSmEn | rob^ |
| 00:23.10 | PeNNiSmEn | jaaja |
| 00:23.14 | deadcat | dli: also fuser 953/tcp returns output as well. |
| 00:23.16 | rob^ | i type "no", it puts "notty" |
| 00:23.26 | PeNNiSmEn | jajaaj |
| 00:23.27 | juan | rob^ well, the reason is: I don't fucking use anymore ubuntu? did u understand? thanks. |
| 00:23.35 | PeNNiSmEn | i donīt know.. |
| 00:24.00 | rob^ | juan, well maybe you should "fucking use anymore ubuntu".. |
| 00:24.08 | juan | :) |
| 00:24.16 | juan | haha cool |
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| 00:24.34 | KirbyMeister | ubuntu: aka the GNOME packager |
| 00:24.38 | KirbyMeister | :) |
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| 00:24.54 | dli | deadcat: yes, I have many copies of named running |
| 00:24.58 | dmnz | whats the X11 headers/include file package called? |
| 00:25.06 | juan | I'm asking about how can I replace gnome 2.8 wirh gnome 2.10 of experimentel, adn you say me why I ant to do it, it's your problem it? You only hav to give me the comen to do it |
| 00:25.06 | KirbyMeister | what is the difference between debian and ubuntu anyway? |
| 00:25.17 | cafuego | KirbyMeister: 4 |
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| 00:25.25 | KirbyMeister | cafuego: 4 what? |
| 00:25.35 | dli | deadcat: fuser 22/tcp also hangs |
| 00:25.39 | deadcat | KirbyMeister: guess |
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| 00:25.44 | thingfish | juan: you can barely come here hoping for help with unstable, and you want help with experimental? |
| 00:25.47 | dli | deadcat: whatever fuser /tcp hangs :( |
| 00:25.53 | cafuego | juan: if you don't know how to find out how to do it, you ALSO don't know how to fix things when they go wrong. and they WILL go wrong in experimental. |
| 00:26.02 | Wyzard | !tell juan about ubuntu |
| 00:26.02 | KirbyMeister | deadcat: i give up. |
| 00:26.04 | Wyzard | oops |
| 00:26.06 | deadcat | dli: redoanload coreutils and md5sum some commands. |
| 00:26.08 | Wyzard | !tell juan about experimental |
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| 00:26.20 | juan | #debian does not support experimental. |
| 00:26.25 | juan | cool |
| 00:26.25 | juan | bye |
| 00:26.25 | juan | fuckires |
| 00:26.26 | juan | :) |
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| 00:26.28 | dli | deadcat: how to do md5sum check ? |
| 00:26.30 | cafuego | haha |
| 00:26.40 | war- | !tell war sarge iso url |
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| 00:26.41 | deadcat | dli: how you get root? |
| 00:26.42 | rob^ | thank god |
| 00:26.43 | deadcat | (= |
| 00:26.45 | juan | Wyzard fuck you =) |
| 00:26.52 | dvs | see ya |
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| 00:26.58 | thingfish | I mean, really. If you're going to cuss at us, at least get the spelling right. |
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| 00:27.06 | rob^ | hehe yeah |
| 00:27.12 | cafuego | Jesus, only person who actually helped him gets a personal fuck you. |
| 00:27.16 | dli | deadcat: not for sure, I checked the leftover, looks like through webmin, which was installed by mistake |
| 00:27.18 | cafuego | Tard. |
| 00:27.48 | Wyzard | cafuego: Well, I was about to give him a sources.list line so he could learn his lesson firsthand... :-) |
| 00:27.53 | Knight7 | hello, fellow Debian users |
| 00:28.05 | Xsquared | thanks all for your help! Very appreciative =] |
| 00:28.17 | thingfish | Knight7: fooled you, we're all closet bsd users. |
| 00:28.19 | cafuego | Wyzard: He would have just hung around whingeing about his his woody system seems to have broken since he plonked experimental on it. |
| 00:28.21 | Knight7 | good to see there's so many people out there using Debian, the best distro |
| 00:28.40 | deadcat | Knight7: you here to ask q or not? |
| 00:28.49 | Xsquared | Knight7: its cause we are hardcore |
| 00:28.58 | rob^ | haha |
| 00:29.07 | Wyzard | deadcat: That's not quite fair... #debian shouldn't be "ask a question or get out" |
| 00:29.12 | Knight7 | deadcat: what is that a question? |
| 00:29.25 | thingfish | deadcat thinks he's an op. |
| 00:29.39 | Wyzard | deadcat: Otherwise we're just a helpdesk rather than a community :-) |
| 00:29.42 | cafuego | Speaking of, Xorg broke my potato! |
| 00:29.51 | deadcat | thingfish: hes op when i get kick by him (= |
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| 00:30.44 | Knight7 | what do you all use for backup? |
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| 00:30.54 | Knight7 | I'm seriously considering afio. |
| 00:31.10 | Knight7 | don't tell me you don't backup |
| 00:31.12 | maher | Knight7: dirvish, + write to dvd's once a month |
| 00:31.20 | dondelelcaro | I prefer to carry a small revolver in a anklet, and other weapons secreted elsewhere. |
| 00:31.23 | dli | deadcat: I think it did something to /proc :( |
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| 00:31.27 | dvs | Knight7: I use dar and backuppc. I haven't had to restore it yet so I can't say how well it works. |
| 00:31.34 | deadcat | dli: ya. probably. |
| 00:31.44 | irony | amature here: I'm trying to run xserver but if fails and complains it can't find my mouse. This is, this old box has only a serial mouse port, or USB |
| 00:32.07 | Knight7 | I'll be backing up to DVDs. |
| 00:32.21 | Knight7 | The idea is to enable random-access to the files. |
| 00:32.22 | maher | Knight7: i just write tarballs |
| 00:32.29 | Knight7 | So that rules out a tarball. |
| 00:32.45 | Wyzard | irony: Serial ports are /dev/ttyS0, /dev/ttyS1, etc. |
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| 00:33.15 | Knight7 | afio, OTOH, can store files compressed individually and transparently decompress them when restoring. |
| 00:33.53 | Knight7 | The other problem is incremental backup. |
| 00:34.30 | Knight7 | I was considering xdelta to make compressed patches of each file. |
| 00:34.42 | Knight7 | Does anyone have any experience with lzop? |
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| 00:35.04 | [OGI]-full0shrap | hey all, |
| 00:35.07 | VulpesFoxnik | Hi. I'm having trouble installing Nvidia's drivers. I'm running a sarge release canidate 3 with a 2.6.8 kernel. I've enen installed the Kernel sources and pointed the Nvidia installer to it with no success. |
| 00:35.10 | Knight7 | If so, what compression ratio did you achieve? |
| 00:35.19 | Wyzard | VulpesFoxnik: Using nvidia-kernel-source? |
| 00:35.27 | thingfish | Knight7: is that the shirt with the crocodile on it? |
| 00:35.34 | [OGI]-full0shrap | to no avail, i did the dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xf86 and my scroll mouse doesn't work... |
| 00:35.41 | billyoc | thingfish: lol |
| 00:35.51 | Knight7 | thingfish: huh? |
| 00:35.55 | dvs | thingfish: That's izod I think |
| 00:36.00 | VulpesFoxnik | Wyzard: No I was using the kernel-source-2.8.6. Am I useing the wrong source file? |
| 00:36.02 | thingfish | never mind Knight7 |
| 00:36.09 | Knight7 | thingfish: ok |
| 00:36.10 | [OGI]-full0shrap | strangeness, unless i used my previously used xf86 it wouldn't boot x either. |
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| 00:36.29 | deadcat | [OGI]-full0shrap: did you select IMP/S or something like that? |
| 00:36.44 | [OGI]-full0shrap | yes sir |
| 00:36.45 | Wyzard | !tell VulpesFoxnik about nvidia |
| 00:36.49 | dvs | [OGI]-full0shrap: Isn't a serial mouse protocol "serial"? |
| 00:37.18 | Wyzard | VulpesFoxnik: There's a package called "nvidia-kernel-source" that you can use (in conjunction with your kernel sources, i.e. from kernel-source-2.6.8) to build a .deb of the nvidia kernel module |
| 00:37.25 | [OGI]-full0shrap | hmmhm, i'm using usb hid notebook optical |
| 00:37.28 | Knight7 | lzop = LZO Professional |
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| 00:37.30 | Wyzard | VulpesFoxnik: It's preferred over using the install script you get from nvidia.com |
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| 00:37.41 | VulpesFoxnik | ok |
| 00:37.43 | deadcat | [OGI]-full0shrap: usb is the /dev/input/mice |
| 00:37.47 | VulpesFoxnik | thanks |
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| 00:38.06 | deadcat | [OGI]-full0shrap: for taht you might have to restart the box or restart hotplug |
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| 00:38.36 | [OGI]-full0shrap | raagg, i'll have trouble owning with out my scroll mouse on cs |
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| 00:38.55 | [OGI]-full0shrap | lol, i'll continue to attempt to resolve my prob |
| 00:39.02 | deadcat | [OGI]-full0shrap: is that what the [OGI] is for? HAHAHAHAH |
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| 00:39.15 | [OGI]-full0shrap | i dn't want to be accused of advertisement |
| 00:39.22 | [OGI]-full0shrap | or spamming. |
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| 00:40.34 | paolo | Hi guys! after last testing's gdm upgrade, gdm doesn't start: it's running, but it doesn't run X. In order to run X, I must run "startx", and then X starts with my gnome session (but without showing the gdm screen). What the hell is it? |
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| 00:40.51 | [OGI]-full0shrap | i've got /dev/input/mice with procotol as ImPS/2 |
| 00:40.59 | dli | ironically, the rootkit, which installs spam server on my box, also installed a spammassassin |
| 00:41.10 | deadcat | hehe |
| 00:41.10 | [OGI]-full0shrap | as well as /dev/psaux PS/2 |
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| 00:41.17 | deadcat | [OGI]-full0shrap: restart see if it works or not |
| 00:41.32 | [OGI]-full0shrap | ok |
| 00:43.30 | dli | can I do a simple ssh gate? ssh to the gate automatically ssh to another box? like ssh -> A -> B |
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| 00:44.55 | Knight7 | dli: Why not just bounce the connection? |
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| 00:45.07 | dli | Knight7, like NAT? |
| 00:45.10 | Knight7 | dli: You could use netcat to accept a connection, then forward it to the other host. |
| 00:45.49 | Knight7 | dli: I guess, but in userland. |
| 00:45.58 | dli | knight: our cluster got rooted, I want to put another box as the firewall and gate to it |
| 00:46.28 | Knight7 | dli: firewall equals NAT in this case? Or firewall is a filter? |
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| 00:46.36 | Wyzard | dli: Just ssh to the firewall box, then ssh from there to the cluster |
| 00:46.44 | dli | Knight7, the firewall can be upgraded, even rebooted everyday, without effecting the running cluster |
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| 00:47.01 | dli | Wyzard, yeah, I wonder, whether it's easy to make auto |
| 00:47.07 | WiFiTux | Someone understands the new find syntax? |
| 00:47.11 | dli | Wyzard, then, transparent to users |
| 00:47.33 | Knight7 | WiFiTux: what do you want to find? |
| 00:47.45 | dli | Knight7, The gate would be secure, and easy for users, that's my idea |
| 00:48.03 | Knight7 | dli: gate = gateway? |
| 00:48.09 | dli | Knight: right |
| 00:48.17 | WiFiTux | Knight7: I'm looking for my leggo beast music, so I find /mnt/Music -iname leggo* |
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| 00:48.41 | Knight7 | WiFiTux: You spelled Lego wrong. |
| 00:49.01 | Knight7 | WiFiTux: and you need to escape wildcards so that the shell doesn't interpret them. |
| 00:49.03 | C17H21NO4 | WiFiTux: I think you need to escape that * |
| 00:49.07 | Knight7 | WiFiTux: yes |
| 00:49.14 | deadcat | "lego*" |
| 00:49.21 | WiFiTux | Knight7: no. |
| 00:49.25 | Knight7 | WiFiTux: put a backslash in front of it, or put it in quotes. |
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| 00:50.43 | WiFiTux | Knight7: this crap is telling me that -iname is deprecated :| |
| 00:51.05 | Knight7 | WiFiTux: That's very strange. Is it just a warning, or a fatal error? |
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| 00:51.37 | WiFiTux | Knight7: fatal, hhmm "leggo*" did the trick |
| 00:51.46 | Knight7 | WiFiTux: Type find --version |
| 00:52.06 | WiFiTux | Knight7: 4.1.20 |
| 00:52.25 | Knight7 | WiFiTux: That's what I have, GNU find. |
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| 00:52.40 | deadcat | WiFiTux: you've been rooted |
| 00:52.54 | Knight7 | deadcat: are you sure? |
| 00:53.13 | Knight7 | deadcat: I mean, not sure, but you're not kidding? |
| 00:53.23 | deadcat | Knight7: no. |
| 00:53.43 | dli | deadcat: not running a chkrootkit |
| 00:53.43 | deadcat | Knight7: if we all have the same version of find and hes getting error... |
| 00:53.58 | Knight7 | deadcat: Yeah, and...? |
| 00:54.22 | Knight7 | We could md5sum the binary for him. |
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| 00:54.29 | deadcat | Knight7: and hes been compromised |
| 00:54.44 | Knight7 | f88ace1e9fd6f456cfff178e29189c32 /usr/bin/find |
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| 00:54.53 | WiFiTux | deadcat: what? |
| 00:54.54 | deadcat | d21e951a54c62634976692f062d4d152 /usr/bin/find |
| 00:55.00 | Knight7 | hmm |
| 00:55.02 | maher | use debsums |
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| 00:55.27 | michael1234 | is there a way to get epoch time in bash |
| 00:55.37 | dli | deadcat: how to check md5sum for a command? |
| 00:55.49 | deadcat | dli: md5sum /usr/bin/find |
| 00:55.51 | dli | deadcat: does chkrootkit do it for me ? |
| 00:55.54 | WiFiTux | deadcat: I have yours. |
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| 00:56.02 | deadcat | dli: dont know. never used chkrootkit. (= |
| 00:56.13 | maher | use chkrootkit too |
| 00:56.15 | deadcat | WiFiTux: ah. maybe you gave wrong options. |
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| 00:56.24 | dli | 10915b3ddf0084f247d84790a57269ba /sbin/init |
| 00:56.33 | WiFiTux | deadcat: I had to use the "bla*" |
| 00:56.40 | deadcat | dli: same. |
| 00:56.45 | dli | f88ace1e9fd6f456cfff178e29189c32 /usr/bin/find |
| 00:56.50 | deadcat | WiFiTux: cool. |
| 00:56.51 | [OGI]-full0shrap | hey all, i've got a bit0problem with my scroll mouse and configuring x to use it appropriately. |
| 00:57.20 | [OGI]-full0shrap | for some reason the dpkg-reconfigure xf86server bit didn't fix it |
| 00:57.36 | dli | deadcat: is my find okay? |
| 00:57.36 | [OGI]-full0shrap | i'm using the appropriate lines in xf86config-4 |
| 00:57.51 | deadcat | dli: i am running unstable. |
| 00:58.03 | [OGI]-full0shrap | for my mouse, what modules do i need? inserted... i'm thinking that is probably it |
| 00:58.05 | Knight7 | dli: Same sums here. |
| 00:58.12 | Knight7 | dli: I'm running testing. |
| 00:58.14 | dli | Knight7: see :) |
| 00:58.19 | dli | Knight same here |
| 00:58.22 | deadcat | [OGI]-full0shrap: modprobe usbmouse |
| 00:58.25 | [OGI]-full0shrap | running the unstable version |
| 00:58.28 | [OGI]-full0shrap | thankyou |
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| 00:58.59 | WiFiTux | hhmm I can't copy in xterm. |
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| 00:59.34 | [OGI]-full0shrap | yep, got that in there lsmod | grep usbmouse is a "roger" |
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| 01:00.25 | dli | WiFiTux, did you run a chkrootkit ? |
| 01:00.27 | caiqian | hi all, how can I select font in xterm under UTF-8 enviroment? |
| 01:00.34 | deadcat | [OGI]-full0shrap: is your XF86Config-4 using /dev/input/mice? <- usbmouse |
| 01:00.46 | deadcat | caiqian: man xterm yet? |
| 01:00.56 | WiFiTux | dli: huh? |
| 01:01.08 | dli | caiqian, if you are using xterm for Chinese, you must be an expert, use gnome-term or konsole instead |
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| 01:01.16 | Opty | phpmyadmin said "cannot load mysql extension;" yet when i installed php4 with apt-get it installed php-mysql. What should i do? |
| 01:01.34 | dli | WiFiTux, since deadcat said you are rooted, why not do a check? apt-get install chkrootkit |
| 01:01.38 | [OGI]-full0shrap | no it's saying ImPS/2 |
| 01:01.49 | dvs | [OGI]-full0shrap: wrong field |
| 01:01.52 | dli | WiFiTux, I do "chkrootkit |grep INFECTED" |
| 01:02.04 | caiqian | deadcat: yes, I decide to change ~/.Xdefaults, like XTerm*VT100*font: "ar pl new sung", but doesn't work. |
| 01:02.05 | deadcat | dli: he told my why he got that error so i dont think hes been rooted no more (= |
| 01:02.07 | [OGI]-full0shrap | should i i'll cp and pst in flood |
| 01:02.43 | caiqian | dli: the default xterm is already supported, but some chars are missing, so I just want to change the font. |
| 01:02.49 | dvs | [OGI]-full0shrap: The Device in the InputDevice section should be /dev/input/mice |
| 01:02.56 | deadcat | caiqian: ah. try XTerm*faceName: option |
| 01:02.59 | WiFiTux | dli: Im not running as root. and I have not been hacked. |
| 01:03.12 | dvs | [OGI]-full0shrap: the Protocol should be ImPS/2 |
| 01:03.15 | WiFiTux | dli: unless Linux sucks in security |
| 01:03.25 | [OGI]-full0shrap | yes i think that is how it is set up |
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| 01:03.38 | dli | deadcat: I was rooted for two days without noticing anything wrong, but I unplugged immediately, after it tried to starts the spam email server |
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| 01:03.38 | dvs | [OGI]-full0shrap: you sure? |
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| 01:03.49 | [OGI]-full0shrap | i cp and pasted my xf86 in #flood |
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| 01:04.09 | dvs | !paster |
| 01:04.09 | dpkg | Instead of pasting in #debian or #flood, use paster, your friendly paste bot. Visit http://channels.debian.net/paste then select #debian, and paste away. |
| 01:04.24 | dli | WiFiTux, unfortunately, nothing is perfect, two of my most important boxes got rooted for days |
| 01:04.30 | [OGI]-full0shrap | did again for good measure |
| 01:04.47 | dvs | !tell [OGI]-full0shrap about paster |
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| 01:05.04 | dli | caiqian: anyway, you are the master, I'm n00b, I wont even bother to think about Chinese in xterm, it's possible, periond |
| 01:05.16 | dli | s/periond/period/ |
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| 01:05.36 | BadMan | well its still busted |
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| 01:05.54 | deadcat | dli: all the commands are in english. what you do with chinese in a terminal for? |
| 01:05.55 | BadMan | API mismatch: the NVIDIA kernel module is version 1.0.7167, but |
| 01:05.57 | BadMan | this X module is version 1.0.7174. |
| 01:05.58 | dli | caiqian: last time I tried, I got Chinese in xterm, but then, it's too ugly in English |
| 01:06.13 | BadMan | I cant seem to gte it fixed, what am I missing? |
| 01:06.31 | dli | deacat: come on! we want a whole Chinese system |
| 01:06.38 | paster | "[OGI]-full0shrapnel" at 24.73.144.154 pasted "my xf86 mouse config" (11 lines) at http://channels.debian.net/paste/13 |
| 01:06.53 | [OGI]-full0shrap | http://channels.debian.net/paste/13. is my cut and paste |
| 01:07.14 | deadcat | someone explain dli's last mesg please (= |
| 01:07.28 | BadMan | [OGI]-full0shrap: it sends us a channel message. |
| 01:07.59 | BadMan | API mismatch: the NVIDIA kernel module is version 1.0.7167, but |
| 01:08.02 | dvs | [OGI]-full0shrap: Is this your only mouse attached to the computer? |
| 01:08.05 | deadcat | damn. splitting screen(1) is gonna get me in trouble one of these days. one of these days i will type rm -rf in the wrong region. )= |
| 01:08.08 | BadMan | oops |
| 01:08.12 | [OGI]-full0shrap | yes |
| 01:08.46 | dvs | [OGI]-full0shrap: Then option should read "CorePointer" instead of "SendCoreEvents" |
| 01:08.56 | C17H21NO4 | How do I get exim to forward all mail, even mail destined for localhost to my central mailserver? I was able to do this with postfix, but I don't know where to start with exim. |
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| 01:10.24 | [OGI]-full0shrap | ok i'll restart, there is a touch pad though and a ibm nipple thing |
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| 01:10.39 | dvs | [OGI]-full0shrap: That's another mouse!! |
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| 01:10.55 | dvs | [OGI]-full0shrap: You're only allowed one CorePointer. |
| 01:11.04 | Frederick | can anyone please help me with autmake problems? |
| 01:11.15 | [OGI]-full0shrap | crapulance, sorry man.. i forgot about the touchpad and nipple thing |
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| 01:11.25 | maher | [OGI]-full0shrap: try using gpm |
| 01:11.32 | BadMan | is nvidia-kernel-2.6.8-2-k7 newer or older than nvidia-kernel-2.6.9-1-k7(newb doesnt understnad kernel numbers well) |
| 01:11.42 | Knight7 | Frederick: You could try installing a newer version of automake, or temporarily revert to an older version. |
| 01:11.42 | Frederick | I cant compile a simple c program http://rafb.net/paste/results/MqAMuv11.html |
| 01:11.57 | [OGI]-full0shrap | is that apt-get install gpm? |
| 01:12.33 | a_monkey | i have an Eterm probalmo. when i use --shade=%, it doesn't shade my transparent Eterm; it makes the background sort of bluey. |
| 01:12.36 | C17H21NO4 | [OGI]-full0shrap: Is it a synaptics touchpad/trackpoint? |
| 01:12.38 | a_monkey | can anybody help? |
| 01:12.43 | [OGI]-full0shrap | yes |
| 01:12.48 | [OGI]-full0shrap | synaptics |
| 01:12.54 | [OGI]-full0shrap | it's a dell d800 |
| 01:12.55 | a_monkey | on my old distro it didn't do that... |
| 01:13.01 | a_monkey | it just shaded |
| 01:13.10 | [OGI]-full0shrap | aah it is an apt-get install gpm |
| 01:13.13 | C17H21NO4 | [OGI]-full0shrap: Use the synaptics driver |
| 01:13.36 | [OGI]-full0shrap | synaptics driver? |
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| 01:13.57 | C17H21NO4 | [OGI]-full0shrap: I'll paste my config on #flood |
| 01:14.05 | Frederick | Knight7: Im trying it now :) |
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| 01:14.28 | [OGI]-full0shrap | ok, i found a file on apt-cache search for xf86 for synaptics is that it? |
| 01:14.35 | caiqian | deadcat: Thanks, it works. and I didn't know xterm can even support support truetype fonts before. |
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| 01:14.47 | Knight7 | Frederick: Read the INSTALL or README file to find out what version of automake it requires. |
| 01:15.38 | C17H21NO4 | [OGI]-full0shrap: It's in #flood |
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| 01:15.54 | [OGI]-full0shrap | ok so that should do the synaptics pad, the nipple, and a usb-scroll mouse? |
| 01:16.03 | C17H21NO4 | [OGI]-full0shrap: Yes |
| 01:16.52 | Frederick | Knight7: I couldnt find such info in none of the files |
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| 01:17.16 | Frederick | cd '/home/imanewbie/Desktop/teste' && WANT_AUTOCONF_2_5="1" WANT_AUTOMAKE_1_6="1" gmake -f Makefile.cvs && mkdir '/home/imanewbie/Desktop/teste/debug' && cd '/home/imanewbie/Desktop/teste/debug' && CFLAGS="-O0 -g3 " "/home/imanewbie/Desktop/teste/configure" --enable-debug=full && cd '/home/imanewbie/Desktop/teste/debug/src' && WANT_AUTOCONF_2_5="1" WANT_AUTOMAKE_1_6="1" gmake -k teste.lo? |
| 01:17.21 | [OGI]-full0shrap | thankyou, all i'll attempt to update and restart |
| 01:17.30 | Knight7 | Frederick: ok |
| 01:17.47 | Knight7 | Frederick: Try to give it 1.6, then. |
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| 01:18.07 | Frederick | Knight7: I got 1.9.4 |
| 01:18.57 | Knight7 | Frederick: I think you can install 1.6 in parallel on Debian. |
| 01:19.24 | Knight7 | Frederick: Then you could either temporarily remove 1.9, or just do update-alternatives, and point it to the 1.6 version. |
| 01:19.40 | Frederick | Knight7: Im on gentoo |
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| 01:20.02 | Knight7 | Frederick: Okay, then you'll need to install a copy of automake 1.6 somehow. |
| 01:20.12 | Frederick | Knight7: but #gentoo folks only troll around so give me a sec to discover how can I emerge a copy of automake 1.6 |
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| 01:25.01 | Witigonen | hey everyone. I have some REALLY crappy computers (133s w/ 32 megs of RAM) that my school wants me to set up to use Linux to browse the internet and run a program emulated under WINE. And that's it, nothing else. Oh, another fun thing, they don't boot from CD, only floppy. Advice? Suggestions? Anything other than burning them? |
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| 01:25.22 | drini_ | installing from net? I guess they have eth cards |
| 01:25.26 | Witigonen | They do. |
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| 01:25.37 | dondelelcaro | Witigonen: you can do installations using 2 floppies, iirc. |
| 01:25.39 | drini_ | boot from floppy, do a net install |
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| 01:27.35 | bbrazil | Witigonen: move harddrives over to a more powerful machine and install there |
| 01:27.48 | WiFiTux | ~[6~[6~[6~[6~[6~[6~[6~[6~[6~[6~[6~[6~[6~[6~[6~[6~[6~[6~[6~[6~[6~[6~[6~[6~[6~[6~[6~[6~[6~[6~[6~[6~[6~[6~ |
| 01:27.59 | WiFiTux | wow |
| 01:28.10 | WiFiTux | sorry. Stupid ssh. :) |
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| 01:28.55 | Witigonen | Hm, bbrazil, that's not a bad idea. |
| 01:28.57 | Witigonen | Here's a question. |
| 01:29.41 | Witigonen | I was originally thinking that a live cd might not be a bad choice due to security. A |
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| 01:30.01 | Witigonen | Is there a way to set up a user that will only have access to a web browser and that one wine-emulated program I mentioned? |
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| 01:30.06 | Witigonen | In some sort of really basic GUI? |
| 01:30.19 | Witigonen | Like ,literally, I'm imagining a desktop with those two icons and that's -it- |
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| 01:33.12 | ta[i]nted | what is the package for kernel headers/source |
| 01:33.15 | rafx | why don't we announce Sarge d-i rc3 in the News section of www.debian.org? do we already have too many people testing it? |
| 01:33.20 | ta[i]nted | apt-get install kernel-source? |
| 01:33.23 | Knight7 | Witigonen: I don't know of a GUI solution that would be as secure as a restricted login shell. |
| 01:33.28 | buu | ta[i]nted: apt-cache search and find out |
| 01:33.39 | ta[i]nted | buu i did |
| 01:33.45 | buu | ta[i]nted: So what's the problem? |
| 01:33.49 | ta[i]nted | can't find it |
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| 01:33.54 | buu | uh |
| 01:33.57 | Witigonen | Knight7: these will be public kiosk computers for checking email. |
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| 01:34.00 | buu | You can't find what? |
| 01:34.04 | ta[i]nted | apt-cache search kernel source |
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| 01:34.12 | buu | ta[i]nted: Use a dash |
| 01:34.17 | ta[i]nted | doh |
| 01:34.24 | buu | Witigonen: Only if you add a 'ssh' icon |
| 01:34.58 | Knight7 | Witigonen: If you think about it, how secure is a web browser, really? |
| 01:35.18 | Knight7 | Witigonen: A user can do a lot with a web browser, including browse local files. |
| 01:35.34 | buu | Knight7: Not if they don't have read permissions! |
| 01:35.37 | Wyzard | rafx: Because it's more of a developer/tester thing... if it were announced on the front page, people would install it thinking it's what everyone's supposed to use, and would end up with a system running sarge, which has not yet been released |
| 01:35.42 | Witigonen | Knight7: That's why I was hoping to restrict the user that would be on the computers to - yeah, what buu said. |
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| 01:36.42 | Knight7 | buu: They could escalate their priviledges by exploiting a vulnerability. |
| 01:37.01 | buu | Knight7: NO THEY COULDN'T LINUX IS PERFECT AND HAS NO VULNERABILITY OR FLAW |
| 01:37.12 | Frederick | Knight7: I got a copy of 1.6 |
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| 01:37.39 | Knight7 | buu: Well, some configurations are more secure than others, THAT'S THE POINT. |
| 01:37.43 | Witigonen | I understand that there is no real way to make a system be perfectly safe, my goal is to get it as safe as I reasonably can given the features I need to have. |
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| 01:38.08 | Wyzard | Witigonen: GNOME has some "lockdown" features, but I don't know how extensive they are, or how well they work |
| 01:38.30 | Witigonen | Wyzard: unfortunately I'm fairly sure that these 133s probably won't be able to run gnome :) KDE also has those features. |
| 01:38.38 | Witigonen | I suppose I could try and find a very old version. |
| 01:38.40 | Wyzard | ah |
| 01:38.58 | Knight7 | Witigonen: Yeah, if a GUI is a feature that you need to have, then I would look around for an existing GUI fortress-like Linux-based system. |
| 01:39.01 | buu | Pssh, run ratpoison and an app that looks like a gui |
| 01:39.03 | dvs | Witigonen: Wouldn't WINE take up more processor power than KDE or GNOME? |
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| 01:39.07 | Wyzard | Old versions won't have the lockdown stuff |
| 01:39.39 | bbrazil | Witigonen: I advise against KDE on that spec, go with something very lightweight. |
| 01:40.27 | kaplanfx | apt-get install freebsd |
| 01:40.31 | buu | What kind of web browser are you going to run on a 133? |
| 01:40.40 | Knight7 | elinks! |
| 01:40.50 | Witigonen | dvs: My school is in the process of transitioning from using an old program called Blitzmail to access email to an IMAP system that you can check via webmail. A lot of upperclassmen still use Blitz and require it. There isn't, as far as I can find, a native linux version of the Blitzmail program, which is a proprietary program developed by Dartmouth. |
| 01:40.52 | kaplanfx | links2 -g! |
| 01:40.53 | Knight7 | with the -g switch |
| 01:40.56 | Knight7 | yeah |
| 01:41.00 | Knight7 | links2, then |
| 01:41.13 | kaplanfx | dillo?? |
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| 01:41.23 | Wyzard | Witigonen: Why do they "require" Blitzmail if IMAP is available? |
| 01:41.26 | GeeSeCillo | hi |
| 01:41.40 | kaplanfx | is there an easy way to get the xvmc driver to work on debian? |
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| 01:41.52 | kaplanfx | dpkg: tell me about xvmc |
| 01:41.54 | GeeSeCillo | someone know how to see how many domains has a ip of server? |
| 01:42.06 | dondelelcaro | GeeSeCillo: unless it's your server, there's no way to tell. |
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| 01:42.13 | Witigonen | Wyzard: many people don't want to switch over to the IMAP system (a very painless process) because they don't care or prefer blitz. |
| 01:42.34 | buu | GeeSeCillo: Simple, social engineer a shell on the server then exploit a local attack to gain root, then read their dns conf! |
| 01:42.39 | dondelelcaro | Witigonen: well, you're pretty much not going to be able to run wine on a machine with those specifications... |
| 01:42.45 | GeeSeCillo | dondelelcaro, on whois,sc sale ir |
| 01:42.47 | Wyzard | Witigonen: It's a one-way transition, then? Enabling IMAP necessarily disbles Blitz? |
| 01:42.47 | GeeSeCillo | sale it |
| 01:42.54 | GeeSeCillo | buu :P |
| 01:42.56 | Witigonen | Wyzard: yes. |
| 01:43.01 | dondelelcaro | GeeSeCillo: what? |
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| 01:43.41 | GeeSeCillo | dondelelcaro, on a web whois .sc u can bu a silver account for access to db of domains... |
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| 01:44.20 | GeeSeCillo | *buy |
| 01:44.21 | dondelelcaro | GeeSeCillo: well, they're lying. |
| 01:44.43 | Wyzard | GeeSeCillo: Maybe that's just a database of the .sc domains |
| 01:44.57 | Wyzard | GeeSeCillo: which that country's registrar would have access to, of course |
| 01:44.58 | dondelelcaro | GeeSeCillo: and regardless, that'd just give you the sld in the .sc tld. |
| 01:45.00 | fl0w | Hm, I'd need help changin' my screen resolution. I just installed debian, and I run under KDE currently. The problem is that in "Screen resolution" app I only get 800 * 600 resolution, and that's the highest :( |
| 01:45.06 | Knight7 | GeeSeCillo: You want to do a reverse lookup of an IP address? |
| 01:45.22 | dondelelcaro | (which wouldn't tell you anything about anything > 2ld) |
| 01:45.26 | GeeSeCillo | Knight7, yes |
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| 01:45.48 | Knight7 | GeeSeCillo: Type host <IP address> |
| 01:46.15 | Wyzard | Knight7: That won't tell you all the domain names which point to that IP, though... just the canonical one |
| 01:46.22 | GrosaX | Where a get the debian ,,, the address with i get so bad ... some talk one fast |
| 01:46.39 | Wyzard | GrosaX: www.debian.org |
| 01:46.41 | fl0w | http://mirrors.debian.org |
| 01:46.59 | GeeSeCillo | Knight7, i want access to all domains of one server one ip |
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| 01:47.25 | fl0w | Woops. Supposed to type that one into my browser :) |
| 01:47.30 | Knight7 | GeeSeCillo: do you mean subdomains, too? |
| 01:47.43 | GeeSeCillo | Knight7, no |
| 01:48.06 | Wyzard | GeeSeCillo: There's no database that has all that information collected... you'd have to go to every registrar in the world and query their database somehow |
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| 01:48.24 | Knight7 | GeeSeCillo: host <domain name> sometimes lists the aliases. |
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| 01:48.41 | buu | Wyzard: I shall assign you.. a quest! |
| 01:48.41 | Knight7 | GeeSeCillo: So if you know one domain name, perhaps that would help. |
| 01:48.51 | Wyzard | Knight7: A DNS record doesn't know about aliases which point to anywhere |
| 01:49.08 | Wyzard | Knight7: oops... s/anywhere/it/ |
| 01:49.25 | Knight7 | Wyzard: Well, the host command does somehow. |
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| 01:50.03 | Wyzard | Knight7: If you own www.knight7.com, and I make knight7.wyzard.com point to it, your DNS server has no knowledge of that |
| 01:50.12 | GeeSeCillo | isc .org sale a cd or dvd with Domain Survey Dataset |
| 01:50.21 | jenglish | Something keeps changing the ownership of all the files under /var/www, but I can't find what's doing it -- any clues? |
| 01:50.24 | Knight7 | Wyzard: Did you say aliases? |
| 01:50.31 | loren | where's the file with my DNS settings? |
| 01:50.33 | GeeSeCillo | 2500$ O_O |
| 01:50.36 | loren | i need to set my DNS to 4.2.2.2 |
| 01:50.39 | dondelelcaro | loren: /etc/resolv.conf |
| 01:50.40 | Knight7 | Wyzard: host sliceoftheday.com |
| 01:50.42 | Wyzard | Knight7: Yes, in the sense of CNAME records |
| 01:50.42 | loren | thank you |
| 01:50.50 | Wyzard | Knight7: Same goes for A records pointing to your IP |
| 01:51.03 | Knight7 | Wyzard: That domain name has two aliases. |
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| 01:51.25 | Wyzard | Knight7: No, that domain name IS an alias to something else, which is itself an alias to a third name |
| 01:51.26 | Knight7 | Wyzard: or vice-versa |
| 01:51.35 | loren | thanks a bunch man, god the stupid thing deleted my DNS entry somereash |
| 01:51.35 | GrosaX | I need to get 7 Cdīs do Install ? |
| 01:51.36 | loren | reason |
| 01:52.02 | Wyzard | Knight7: Think of your filesystem... you can easily follow a symlink, but there's no way (short of searching the entire filesystem) to find all symlinks which point to a given file |
| 01:52.03 | Knight7 | Wyzard: you're right |
| 01:52.10 | wilbertoki | I have 4 hot swappable scsi drives, am I better off puting all 4 in a raid 5 array or a raid 0 array with hotspares? I am only concerned with data redundancy, not speed |
| 01:52.42 | buu | wilbertoki: Dude, go raid0, it's el33t. |
| 01:52.58 | buu | wilbertoki: (If you want redundancy, raid2!) |
| 01:53.04 | Wyzard | wilbertoki: Depends on how much disk space you want available... raid5 will give you more usable space, but can only withstand one drive failing |
| 01:53.10 | wilbertoki | buu: I dont think my raid controller supports raid 2 |
| 01:53.16 | buu | Awhh =[ |
| 01:53.20 | Wyzard | wilbertoki: raid0 will give you much less usable space, but up to 3 of the 4 drives can fail and the array will still work |
| 01:53.32 | buu | Wyzard: Er, but you lose the data on the drives if they fail right? |
| 01:53.37 | wilbertoki | wyzard: thanks that explains a lot |
| 01:53.45 | caiqian | hi all, after ran `program &` from X11 terminal, I close the terminal, and the "program" closed as well. So How can I avoid this? |
| 01:53.56 | buu | caiqian: man nohup |
| 01:54.04 | Wyzard | buu: No, because the data is also stored on other drives. The 'R' in "RAID" stands for "redundant". |
| 01:54.14 | buu | Wyzard: er, in raid0? |
| 01:54.21 | caiqian | bun: Thanks a lot |
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| 01:54.38 | caphuso | raid0 isn't redundant |
| 01:54.40 | buu | raid0 has no redundancy |
| 01:54.48 | buu | heh |
| 01:54.57 | fl0w | Where can I change screen resolution (not the KDE 'Screen Resolution' app since it doesn't allow higher than 800 by 600, wich is not my limit) |
| 01:54.58 | wilbertoki | im sorry I meant raid 1 lol |
| 01:55.08 | Wyzard | buu: raid0 is mirroring... all drives are complete copies of each other |
| 01:55.13 | buu | Wyzard: No mate, that's raid1 |
| 01:55.14 | caphuso | Wyzard: that's raid1 |
| 01:55.31 | caphuso | raid0 == stupi^H^H^H^Hstriping |
| 01:55.33 | buu | fl0w: /etc/XF86Config-1 or something |
| 01:55.35 | Wyzard | caphuso: 0 is append? I though append didn't have a number... |
| 01:55.44 | wilbertoki | so with raid 5 I will have 18gb of space and raid 1 9 gb |
| 01:55.46 | buu | Wyzard: http://www.pcguide.com/ref/hdd/perf/raid/levels/singleLevel0-c.html |
| 01:55.50 | Wyzard | ah... forgot about striping as something distinct from append |
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| 01:56.16 | paolo | Hi guys! does debian works with adsl cards (always, mostly, very little)? |
| 01:56.17 | Wyzard | wilbertoki: I'm wrong, see above -- raid0 will give you the most space available but has absolutely zero tolerance for drives failing |
| 01:56.36 | Guerin | buu: if you don't know, don't guess |
| 01:56.49 | Guerin | !drxx fl0w |
| 01:56.50 | Knight7 | Is anyone familiar with Reed-Solomon coding? |
| 01:56.50 | dpkg | fl0w: dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xfree86 (as root) |
| 01:56.54 | Wyzard | wilbertoki: raid1 will give you only one drive worth of space, but can withstand n-1 of them failing at the same time |
| 01:56.55 | buu | Guerin: It's more entertaining this way |
| 01:57.14 | Guerin | buu: yeah, because someone gets to tear you a new one every time you're wrong |
| 01:57.15 | Wyzard | wilbertoki: If you're concerned with reliability, you definitely do not want raid0 |
| 01:57.28 | Knight7 | Does Reed-Solomon do error detection too, or just erasure recovery? |
| 01:57.43 | buu | Guerin: Eh, I was close. |
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| 01:57.54 | wilbertoki | yeah raid 0 is out |
| 01:58.12 | Wyzard | Knight7: detection and correction |
| 01:58.13 | buu | Does raid1 mirror one drive multiple time, or just half the space? |
| 01:58.30 | Wyzard | Knight7: You can find info about it with google |
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| 01:58.56 | Wyzard | buu: All drives in raid1 contain exactly the same data |
| 01:58.59 | wilbertoki | how could I have it so that I could take one of the four drives out and home for backup? |
| 01:59.03 | Xsquared | hi, i got my new kernel installed, everything works and is detected. I have one problem with my wireless network card. It says "eth0 NOT READY! ESSID:"Wireless"". What does this mean besides the obvious? |
| 01:59.11 | i3dmaster | anyone knows why the time can jump back and forth... When I issue the date command, I can see the time is not consistency |
| 01:59.17 | Wyzard | buu: Some people talk about "raid1+0" or "raid10", where you make two raid0 stripe sets and then mirror them together |
| 01:59.23 | caphuso | wilbertoki: with raid1? by simply taking it out |
| 01:59.52 | buu | i3dmaster: Relativity man! |
| 01:59.55 | buu | Wyzard: I see. |
| 01:59.57 | wilbertoki | caphuso: if I had 2 drives in raid 1 I could just take one out and reinsert at any time and data will be auto updated? |
| 02:00.08 | caphuso | wilbertoki: that's the point, yes |
| 02:00.49 | wilbertoki | caphuso: and If I have one or two other drives as hotspares when I removed the one drive would the hotspare kick in to keep data redundancy and when I reinsert drive hotspare will go back to standby? |
| 02:01.02 | Knight7 | i3dmaster: Does ntpdate or ntpd run sometimes? |
| 02:01.16 | i3dmaster | buu: no, its definitely weird. say if I issue date command 1 sec a time, I can see sometimes the time is jumping back to before... |
| 02:01.28 | i3dmaster | Knight7: run all the time. |
| 02:01.32 | Wyzard | buu: I don't like that though, because the number of drives it can withstand failing depends on which drives they are... if a pair of corresponding drives in the two stripe sets happen to fail, you lose |
| 02:01.33 | caphuso | wilbertoki: yes |
| 02:01.54 | synic | wilbertoki: do you have a raid card? |
| 02:01.58 | wilbertoki | caphuso: nice thank you so much thats what Im going to do |
| 02:02.12 | i3dmaster | Knight7: when I recycle ntpdate, it can update the time to current, but after that, my box time is starting jumping... |
| 02:02.16 | wilbertoki | synic: yes I have a poweredge 6400 |
| 02:02.18 | Wyzard | wilbertoki: Depending on how you can configure the array, you can have it keep all the drives in-sync all the time, or keep some of them as spares whch are only synced when one of the others fails |
| 02:02.33 | synic | wilbertoki: cool. |
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| 02:02.46 | i3dmaster | Knight7: right now is about 3 hours later than the correct time. |
| 02:02.52 | Wyzard | wilbertoki: If you're not concerned with performance, it'd probably be best to keep all 4 drives in sync all the time, rather than leaving some as "spares" |
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| 02:03.27 | wilbertoki | wyzard: when I select 4 drives for one array it only allows me to use raid 0 or 5, plus I want to take a drive out for off site backup |
| 02:03.30 | Knight7 | i3dmaster: So you manually run ntpdate sometimes (but never ntpd?), but besides that, your clock jumps backward AND forward sometimes??? |
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| 02:03.45 | Knight7 | i3dmaster: i.e. by itself? |
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| 02:03.58 | i3dmaster | Knight7: yes, its jumping by itself |
| 02:04.02 | Wyzard | wilbertoki: What RAID controller are you using? If it only supports 0 and 5, it's probably a cheap Highpoint or FastTrak or something |
| 02:04.05 | Framus | hey, does anyone know how to get some interesting fonts under linux ? |
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| 02:04.15 | Knight7 | i3dmaster: even while the system is running without rebooting? |
| 02:04.18 | wilbertoki | wyzard: its a dell raid controller for a poweredge server |
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| 02:04.41 | i3dmaster | Knight7: I did recycle ntpd though. Like I said, it can sync the time, but it can not keep it consistency. the time is just jumping |
| 02:04.57 | wilbertoki | wyzard: I have a scsi backplane that can take 6 hot swappable discs and also theres 2 more hotswappable bays |
| 02:04.59 | Wyzard | wilbertoki: hmm, then maybe it's a real hardware controller, at least... but 0 and 5 seem to be the most popular modes so many controllers only support those two |
| 02:05.02 | Knight7 | i3dmaster: What do you mean by "recycle"? |
| 02:05.05 | i3dmaster | Knight7: yes |
| 02:05.18 | i3dmaster | restart ntpd and ntpdate |
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| 02:05.26 | Wyzard | wilbertoki: I guess you can either use raid5, get a better controller, or use software raid |
| 02:05.41 | Framus | i am trying to do some graphics work with gimp, but i need some cool fonts. Does anyone know how i can add fonts to linux, and where i can get them from ? |
| 02:05.41 | wilbertoki | wyzard: im going with raid 1 with a hot spare thats the ticket |
| 02:05.43 | i3dmaster | Knight7: I restarted nptd and ntpdate many times already |
| 02:05.53 | Wyzard | wilbertoki: Why a hot spare? |
| 02:06.07 | i3dmaster | <PROTECTED> |
| 02:06.10 | Knight7 | i3dmaster: If you don't want your clock to jump around so often, then I recommend making sure the ntpd daemon is NOT running, and that ntpdate does not run periodically from a cron job. |
| 02:06.30 | wilbertoki | wyzard: 1 drive will always be off site, so the hotspare will keep 2 disc redundancy |
| 02:06.48 | Wyzard | wilbertoki: I think you're misunderstanding what a "spare" is in RAID terminology |
| 02:06.52 | Stereo | the ntp daemon can actually adjust the drift |
| 02:07.03 | Guerin | Framus: look at the font howto on tldp.org |
| 02:07.17 | Framus | thanks |
| 02:07.18 | Guerin | Framus: there are shitloads of free fonts available on the web, too |
| 02:07.28 | Wyzard | wilbertoki: The spare will be idle most of the time... when one of the drives fails, (or you remove it for backup), the array will start syncing the spare |
| 02:07.28 | i3dmaster | Knight7: ntpdate is a running as a daemon |
| 02:07.28 | Guerin | tens of thousands of them, most of which are awful |
| 02:07.39 | Knight7 | i3dmaster: If your system time runs extremely fast, then I think there's a way to tweak it. |
| 02:07.43 | Stereo | but if you need something more precise than ntp's drift correction which isn't perfect, there are some other methods |
| 02:07.45 | Wyzard | wilbertoki: and when you put the removed drive back, the array will stop keeping the spare in sync |
| 02:07.49 | i3dmaster | Knight7: ok I stopped ntp-server |
| 02:07.50 | Knight7 | i3dmaster: The ntpdate manpage says "hunt for some values of the kernel variables tick and tickadj". |
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| 02:08.21 | Wyzard | wilbertoki: If you just put all 4 drives in the array, they'll all be kept in sync all the time -- slightly slower because of extra disk I/O, but more reliable, and you said you're not concerned with speed |
| 02:09.13 | bbrazil | wilbertoki: having all the disks on will increase your read speed |
| 02:09.22 | Knight7 | i3dmaster: AFAIK, there is no ntpdate daemon. You're thinking of the NTP daemon. |
| 02:09.34 | bbrazil | although atime could mess with that |
| 02:09.42 | i3dmaster | Knight7: looks like it still the same. I just date several times, and it goes from 59 sec to 56 sec, and then 57, 59, 01,01 |
| 02:10.03 | Knight7 | i3dmaster: type ps -A | grep ntp |
| 02:11.08 | i3dmaster | Knight7: did not get anything |
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| 02:11.21 | Knight7 | i3dmaster: That's a good sign. |
| 02:11.23 | Wyzard | wilbertoki: I don't think a hotspare is very useful in raid1... in raid5, yes, because the drives contain different data and the spare can step in for any of them, but in raid1 that's irrelevant |
| 02:11.54 | dondelelcaro | i3dmaster: if you'd paste the output of adjtimex -p into #flood, that'd be useful too |
| 02:11.54 | i3dmaster | Knight7: but it does not help, the time is still jumping... |
| 02:12.07 | i3dmaster | dondelelcaro: let me try |
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| 02:12.48 | paolo | Hi guys! Is it possible to write a bootable cd with nautilus-cd-burner? thank you |
| 02:12.57 | i3dmaster | dondelelcaro: I don't have that cmd |
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| 02:13.21 | dondelelcaro | i3dmaster: apt-get install adjtimex |
| 02:13.21 | Knight7 | i3dmaster: when did the problem first manifest? |
| 02:13.34 | Wyzard | paolo: I don't think so |
| 02:13.41 | dondelelcaro | i3dmaster: that'll tell us what your values for tick and frequency are, so we can see if they're at least semi-sane. |
| 02:13.57 | mcm | has anyone installed the 2.2 evolution on unstable. if so where are all the e-plugins ??? |
| 02:14.04 | mcm | i can't find them... |
| 02:14.11 | i3dmaster | Knight7: its been like this about 2 weeks now. I did not notice at very beginning. |
| 02:14.23 | Knight7 | paolo: Check whether it can write El-Torito boot images. |
| 02:14.48 | i3dmaster | dondelelcaro: ok I see. I am apt getting it |
| 02:15.35 | Wyzard | paolo, Knight7: It creates the iso for you, drag-and-drop style, and has no way to control the iso9660 generation options... nor does it provide a way to burn an iso you've made on your own |
| 02:16.28 | i3dmaster | Knight7, dondelelcaro: the another thing I noticed when this happens is my system goes to very slow and unstable stage. On Wed, I rebooted 5 times a day. |
| 02:16.56 | i3dmaster | Knight7,dondelelcaro: I've never experienced this type of issue before |
| 02:16.56 | dondelelcaro | i3dmaster: uh... what kernel is this? |
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| 02:17.19 | i3dmaster | dondelelcaro: Linux ubuntubaby 2.6.10-5-686 #1 Tue Apr 5 12:27:02 UTC 2005 i686 GNU/Linux |
| 02:17.25 | fl0w | I don't get it. Why can't I get a larger resolution than 800x600? (It's Not that the screen doesn't support it) |
| 02:17.56 | KirbyMeister | I wonder, how unstable is sid anyway |
| 02:18.01 | dondelelcaro | i3dmaster: and you're not asking these questions in #ubuntu because... anyway, you've got a problem that's more complex than just a simple ntpdate/adjtimex issue. |
| 02:18.16 | dondelelcaro | KirbyMeister: depends. |
| 02:18.19 | i3dmaster | dondelelcaro: see right now, apt is running very slow, the adjtimex is only 46.7k and it still has not finish installing it. |
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| 02:18.41 | KirbyMeister | dondelelcaro: Is sid as destructive as the movie? |
| 02:18.46 | i3dmaster | dondelelcaro: I did ask #ubuntu... no one seems to know |
| 02:18.50 | dondelelcaro | i3dmaster: see what top reports; also, you may have a kernel or hardware issue. |
| 02:19.04 | i3dmaster | dondelelcaro: I even went to #gentoo and no body knows |
| 02:19.06 | dondelelcaro | KirbyMeister: that depends on who is the parent of sid |
| 02:19.35 | dondelelcaro | generally, if you have to ask, sid is not right for you. |
| 02:19.43 | KirbyMeister | dondelelcaro: Hrm... Debian? Ubuntu? Republicans? |
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| 02:19.58 | i3dmaster | dondelelcaro: I suspect that too. looks like a hardware problem. but since I could not find any obvious evidence, I can not prove it |
| 02:20.22 | bbrazil | i3dmaster: try a knoppix cd, see if it still manifests |
| 02:20.25 | dondelelcaro | i3dmaster: well, the trivial test is to take your harddrive and boot in a similar machine that is compatible with your harddrive, and see if the problem persists. |
| 02:20.30 | i3dmaster | dondelelcaro: I will give it a try for that adjtimex cmd |
| 02:20.41 | dondelelcaro | i3dmaster: check top first. |
| 02:20.57 | i3dmaster | dondelelcaro: ok |
| 02:21.11 | dondelelcaro | i3dmaster: also, vmstat 1 20; will also be useful. |
| 02:21.29 | dondelelcaro | (and probably a close look at dmesg|less for anything unusual) |
| 02:21.31 | i3dmaster | dondelelcaro: ok, let me get the info to you guys |
| 02:21.54 | dondelelcaro | !paster |
| 02:21.54 | dpkg | Instead of pasting in #debian or #flood, use paster, your friendly paste bot. Visit http://channels.debian.net/paste then select #debian, and paste away. |
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| 02:24.42 | i3dmaster | dondelelcaro: I pasted my top to #flood |
| 02:24.50 | i3dmaster | dondelelcaro: I will paste vmstat now |
| 02:25.14 | i3dmaster | bbrazil: since I am not at the pc, so I can not physically try that. |
| 02:25.50 | i3dmaster | dondelelcaro: vmstat is there now |
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| 02:26.14 | i3dmaster | dondelelcaro: apt is still hanging there for setting up the adjtimex... |
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| 02:27.21 | shingouz | i3dmaster: make sure you do not have any power saving options enabled in the bios. also check that the bios does not have some weird-ass clock reset or ntpd enabled. i have a faint recollection that i have seen such a problem before but at the moment i can't remember any details about it: i need to think a bit more |
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| 02:27.54 | shingouz | it was a hardware thingie, that i remember, i jsut cant remember how it got fixed |
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| 02:28.19 | i3dmaster | shingouz: ok thanks. I will check that |
| 02:28.34 | i3dmaster | shingouz: I do know ntpd is not running |
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| 02:28.38 | shingouz | i3dmaster: what motherboard you have there? |
| 02:29.02 | i3dmaster | shingouz: not sure, its IBM NetVista box |
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| 02:29.26 | shingouz | i3dmaster: hmm.. lemme have a short thinking session here |
| 02:29.41 | Xsquared | where could i find the "lame" package? |
| 02:29.43 | shingouz | the ibm rings a bell somehow |
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| 02:30.33 | i3dmaster | shingouz, dondelelcaro: I pasted the date result there... |
| 02:30.36 | i3dmaster | on #flood |
| 02:30.53 | bbrazil | i3dmaster: make sure you aren't running 'chrony' (does similar job to ntpd) |
| 02:30.56 | i3dmaster | you guys can look how offen my time is jumping.. I almost never go ahead |
| 02:31.07 | Guerin | !tell Xsquared about marillat |
| 02:31.08 | i3dmaster | bbrazil: let me check that |
| 02:31.33 | Xsquared | Guerin: thanks mate |
| 02:31.38 | i3dmaster | bbrazil: I did a ps -aef|grep chrony and there is nothing returned |
| 02:31.50 | Guerin | Xsquared: no wuckin' furries |
| 02:33.10 | i3dmaster | dondelelcaro: the adjtimex is comparing clocks... now. Let me paste the output to #flood |
| 02:33.22 | dondelelcaro | i3dmaster: just adjtimex -p; that's it |
| 02:34.04 | i3dmaster | dondelelcaro: well apt hasn't give me the shell yet. its doing stuff itself right now |
| 02:34.17 | dondelelcaro | i3dmaster: hrm... this shouldn't have happened: Floating point exception |
| 02:34.54 | dondelelcaro | yeah, something is probably wrong with this machine... although, it's manifesting itself in really strange ways |
| 02:35.20 | i3dmaster | dondelelcaro: yea, apparently |
| 02:35.26 | dondelelcaro | anyway, I'll be back in a while. |
| 02:35.41 | i3dmaster | dondelelcaro: k thanks man for helping out |
| 02:36.29 | i3dmaster | I can wipe out the box but just curious and want to understand the reason |
| 02:38.12 | shingouz | i3dmaster: dont wipe! |
| 02:38.13 | i3dmaster | The thing is if my CPU, or memroy,or harddisk or whatever broken that I can find out, I can just ask for return then... so I don't need to reinstall and waste the time.. |
| 02:38.37 | i3dmaster | shingouz: I know, I am trying my best to find out if there is a hardware failure.. |
| 02:39.04 | shingouz | i3dmaster: im almost on a wild goose chase here but enter the bios, make a careful note of all settings you have there and then do a few mods. |
| 02:39.29 | i3dmaster | shingouz: ok |
| 02:41.17 | shingouz | i3dmaster: turn off all power management options except apm or acpi, turn off "pnp aware o/s", in isa legacy resources make them all not available; io ranges, irq's and dma. there is something else too but for the life of me i cannot recall at the moment, it has been a long time since i last was in a netvista bios |
| 02:41.48 | shingouz | i3dmaster: also you may want to replace the bios battery on the box, they are easy to replace and cost next to nothing |
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| 02:42.44 | shingouz | i3dmaster: of course if the fault still persists or the box gets some new errors, revert to the old settings you wrote down |
| 02:43.05 | i3dmaster | shingouz: ok I see |
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| 02:44.19 | i3dmaster | shingouz: you know before I loaded debian, I have suse there and there was no such issue. It may just in such a coincidence |
| 02:45.18 | shingouz | i3dmaster: i still have a nagging feeling that what i just mentioned is not the cure but i just cant remember how such a problem can be fixed. i have seen it once before somewhere though and the box was another IBM. some older server i think it was, it could have something to do with the scsi termination too if you have a raid there, it had nothing to do with the o/s though, that i am certain of |
| 02:45.19 | i3dmaster | dondelelcaro: I pasted adjtimex output there. it shows something wrong. |
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| 02:46.14 | i3dmaster | shingouz: I don't have scsi controller there. Its a desktop box and only have a IDE controller |
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| 02:46.21 | shingouz | hmm... |
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| 02:46.32 | i3dmaster | shingouz: but I will definitely check BIOS |
| 02:47.06 | i3dmaster | shingouz: I pasted the adjtimex output to #flood. You kknow that cmd? It apparently has something wrong there |
| 02:47.19 | shingouz | i3dmaster: do that, i'll try to find the thing with google |
| 02:47.29 | Knight7 | i3dmaster: That awk script needs a number in front of the "/" operator. |
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| 02:48.22 | i3dmaster | Knight7: ya, that's the weird thing. In order to compare, I did the same thing on my home box and it does not have any problem, so obviously, something is wrong on that box |
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| 02:49.07 | i3dmaster | Knight7, shingouz: I just pasted the one that ran from my home box successful |
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| 02:49.52 | i3dmaster | Knight7, shingouz: from that problem box, seems like it could not adjust the CMOS clock. |
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| 02:50.27 | Knight7 | i3dmaster: no, it doesn't seem like it's trying to adjust the CMOS clock |
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| 02:50.55 | i3dmaster | Knight7, shingouz: adjtimex -p output |
| 02:50.57 | Knight7 | i3dmaster: That program only affects the System clock. |
| 02:51.16 | shingouz | i3dmaster: do you have advanced rtc support enabled in the kernel |
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| 02:51.43 | buffman697 | can anyone tell my why the debian install cant detect my hard drive connected to a PCI IDE card? |
| 02:51.45 | i3dmaster | shingouz: not sure what is that. but I don't think I have |
| 02:52.10 | i3dmaster | Knight7: well I think its trying to adjust the system time with the CMOS clock. |
| 02:52.25 | i3dmaster | Knight7: but for some reason, it failed |
| 02:53.39 | i3dmaster | shingouz, Knight7: just pasted the non-problem box adjtimex -p, there is big differences there. |
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| 02:54.46 | Knight7 | i3dmaster: Yeah, offset and frequency seem very messed up. |
| 02:54.57 | Knight7 | i3dmaster: If frequency is 0, that is a big problem. |
| 02:55.09 | i3dmaster | Knight7: ya right. |
| 02:55.23 | i3dmaster | Knight7: what do you think? where might be the problem then? |
| 02:55.38 | dondelelcaro | i3dmaster: ok, that looks fine. |
| 02:55.47 | dondelelcaro | Knight7: no, a frequency of 0 doesn't mean anything. |
| 02:55.50 | i3dmaster | dondelelcaro: what? fine? |
| 02:56.10 | dondelelcaro | the important thing is that the tick is somewhere near 10000 |
| 02:56.13 | Knight7 | I guess I don't know what I'm talking about. |
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| 02:56.46 | i3dmaster | dondelelcaro: then why those two boxes show so different? |
| 02:57.40 | dondelelcaro | i3dmaster: the output isn't all that different, actually |
| 02:58.02 | i3dmaster | dondelelcaro: well ya, some are close... |
| 02:58.23 | dondelelcaro | Knight7: frequency is a finer range of adjustment than tick, so 6553600 freq = 1 tick |
| 02:58.41 | dondelelcaro | Knight7: if you man adjtimex; you'll see. |
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| 02:58.56 | i3dmaster | dondelelcaro: looking at the man |
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| 02:59.28 | dondelelcaro | yeah, so everything is checking out, save the hardware/software on that box. |
| 03:00.03 | dondelelcaro | i3dmaster: I'd next try to run memtest86 on the thing to see if you have bad memory... the floating point exception is also kind of wierd, since you shouldn't have seen that either. |
| 03:00.26 | dondelelcaro | i3dmaster: if memtest86 doesn't show anything, then the hardware is probably ok, and you may want to change to a different kernel. |
| 03:00.58 | i3dmaster | dondelelcaro: that's right. I did run all of those stuff you showed me on a good box and I did not see the exception. |
| 03:01.36 | i3dmaster | dondelelcaro: oh the kernel? I switched billions of times already. forget about that man |
| 03:01.57 | i3dmaster | dondelelcaro: that's something I did at very beginning when I did not know what |
| 03:02.02 | i3dmaster | was happening... |
| 03:02.31 | dondelelcaro | ok... have you run memtest86 yet? |
| 03:02.34 | DanC | hmm... I'm trying to swap in the state of the art in nvidia support. (yes, I talked with dpkg a bit). xfree86 has released 4.5.0... but there's some license problem? |
| 03:02.44 | i3dmaster | dondelelcaro: but I will try to memtest86. No I did not try it |
| 03:03.32 | dondelelcaro | DanC: yes, Debian won't be releasing any future revisions of xfree86. However, most useful patches have already been incorporated into the X that is actually released in Debian. |
| 03:03.38 | i3dmaster | dondelelcaro: do you know is there any problem like that so I can run on fly since I can not reboot the box, I am on remote |
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| 03:03.58 | DanC | dondelelcaro, that's x.org? |
| 03:04.07 | dondelelcaro | DanC: eh? |
| 03:04.11 | smacnay | seems my firewall is dropping incoming network requests for my saned (sane daemon). I have set up my firewall to ACCEPT calls on the port from the specific address requesting. Seems odd. |
| 03:04.20 | dondelelcaro | i3dmaster: uh... no, that probably will require you to just be running memtest86 |
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| 03:04.37 | Guest506798256 | what if x.org changes their license in the future? |
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| 03:04.56 | dondelelcaro | Guest506798256: if they change it to a crappy one, we fork, and continue on. |
| 03:05.03 | DanC | hmm... ubuntu is very proud that their new release uses x.org, dondelelcaro. I assumed that's what you meant by "the X that is actually released in Debian" |
| 03:05.05 | i3dmaster | dondelelcaro: ok, then I will have to do that when I get to my office |
| 03:05.18 | DanC | but I don't see xserver-xorg among sid packages. hm. |
| 03:05.36 | dondelelcaro | DanC: no, I mean the version of xserver-xfree86 that is actually in Debian. |
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| 03:05.56 | walnuck | hi |
| 03:06.08 | keenan | I'm in the process of installing sarge on a PowerBook 3400 I got on Ebay |
| 03:06.11 | dondelelcaro | Guest506798256: that's basically what happened to xfree86 anyway |
| 03:06.18 | DanC | so debian just maintains its own xserver-xfree86? no more upstream? |
| 03:06.24 | keenan | so far it's working perfectly, good job d-i team! |
| 03:06.41 | dondelelcaro | DanC: currently, yes. However, the XSF will eventually switch to x.org; /msg dpkg xorg |
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| 03:07.19 | walnuck | is there an app to set up an interface with 1394? |
| 03:07.31 | dondelelcaro | walnuck: what type of interface? |
| 03:08.47 | i3dmaster | dondelelcaro,shingouz,Knight7,bbrazil: thank you guys so much for helping even though we still haven't had any idea why this box is acting so strange. but looks like we still have some steps to try... I can not do much now without touching the box, so I will do it on Monday. Thanks guys! |
| 03:08.50 | walnuck | dondelelcaro, i have the other system running with linux and intend to setup a firewire connection with a laptop, I still have to read up about bridging ieee 1394 and rj45 together.. |
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| 03:10.28 | shingouz | i3dmaster: yw. try the new battery too, the ibm's seem to have some very odd quirks from time to time |
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| 03:11.17 | i3dmaster | shingouz: ok ya. I will try memory test and tuning BIOS, if all of those wouldn't help, I will try change the battery. |
| 03:11.32 | bbrazil | i3dmaster: you can run memtest from userland, but it isn't a complete scan |
| 03:11.55 | i3dmaster | bbrazil: what do you mean? |
| 03:12.23 | bbrazil | i3dmaster: see the memtest86 package |
| 03:13.18 | smacnay | I am wondering if my firewall doesn't like the kind of access. Seems that all starts well now, a remote comp can start using my scanner, but then it dies and 'dmesg' shows my firewall dropping the incoming connection. |
| 03:13.33 | i3dmaster | bbrazil: from google or local? |
| 03:13.49 | bbrazil | i3dmaster: apt |
| 03:14.20 | i3dmaster | bbrazil: oh ok |
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| 03:15.12 | DanC | tx, all... |
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| 03:17.18 | walnuck | dondelelcaro, what should i apt- search my box? |
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| 03:17.54 | dondelelcaro | walnuck: you just need the appropriate kernel driver, and then just ifconfig the thing, assuming you're doing ip over ip1394 |
| 03:18.26 | dmess | who can point me towards a decent multimedia player for debian packeges |
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| 03:18.38 | drini_ | what's a multimedia player for debian packages? |
| 03:18.44 | drini_ | debs are not sound or video files |
| 03:18.47 | walnuck | dondelelcaro, ok, but about wireless I guess its another issue.. I still have this wireless interface I have to dwiddle with, just got a lappie today :) |
| 03:19.11 | dmess | ok for debian system setups |
| 03:19.11 | keenan | it says the quik bootloader needs an ext2 boot partition, but I can still have a reiserfs root partition, right? |
| 03:19.18 | dondelelcaro | walnuck: oh, you mean, you just want the 1394 working as it usual does? Just load the appropriate driver for your 1394 chip |
| 03:19.35 | dondelelcaro | walnuck: assuming you've installed sarge, that should have happened automagically |
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| 03:20.27 | walnuck | dondelelcaro, well i'm trying to have ip over 1394... but the reason being is because i'll be accessing different networks.. as I said i just got a laptop.. |
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| 03:20.57 | dondelelcaro | walnuck: oh. ok... so I didn't misunderstand you as badly as I thought at first. |
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| 03:22.22 | i3dmaster | bbrazil: that package just has a memtest86+.bin file, other than that, I cannot see anything else that can be run under real-time |
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| 03:24.05 | bbrazil | i3dmaster: works fine here on sarge |
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| 03:25.02 | patricia | Hi guys |
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| 03:29.44 | Guerin | just before I totally fuck things up |
| 03:30.48 | Guerin | if I have a file made by /dev/zero, i can use parted to make a partition table in that space, in order to convince other programs that it is actually a partition; not just a file |
| 03:30.52 | Guerin | right? |
| 03:31.23 | shingouz | i3dmaster: not quite what i am looking for but getting close: http://groups-beta.google.com/group/aus.computers.ibm-pc/browse_thread/thread/75f171b4c2d87f66/04814355bd9e4f75?q=aptiva+clock+unstable&rnum=2#04814355bd9e4f75 |
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| 03:34.23 | i3dmaster | bbrazil: how you did the mem test then? |
| 03:34.32 | takatumi | Guerin: that looks too easy. |
| 03:34.47 | bbrazil | i3dmaster: memtest 1mb |
| 03:35.01 | Guerin | takatumi: i thought i must be missing something |
| 03:35.02 | i3dmaster | shingouz: ok thanks man, let me take a look |
| 03:35.23 | bbrazil | i3dmaster: but using a memtest CD is a better idea (knoppix CD can boot into memtest) |
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| 03:35.46 | i3dmaster | bbrazil: gotcha |
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| 03:36.08 | Danar | can someone help me with my video drivers? i just upgraded to the latest version, but now it's using the mesa drivers. i had this problem before but i forget how i fixed it last time... |
| 03:36.13 | i3dmaster | bbrazil: ok I got that package, its called memtester on ubuntu repository |
| 03:36.18 | i3dmaster | I will try that |
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| 03:36.30 | bbrazil | i3dmaster: but if you want to run something until monday it can't hurt - it just isn't exhaustive |
| 03:36.44 | i3dmaster | bbrazil: right, I know. |
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| 03:37.06 | i3dmaster | bbrazil: it does not hurt to try that memtester |
| 03:37.30 | Knight7 | Guerin: Don't count on the /dev/zero trick. |
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| 03:37.53 | Knight7 | Guerin: Most modern filesystems do sparse writes, so those zeros will get optimized out. |
| 03:37.55 | bbrazil | i3dmaster: if you have bad memory it could finish it off |
| 03:38.19 | Knight7 | Guerin: The space for them is not actually allocated. Be careful about sparse writes. Write non-zero data to be safe. |
| 03:39.05 | i3dmaster | bbrazil: well then we found the problem. I will just return it back |
| 03:39.33 | Knight7 | i3dmaster: ah, bad RAM? |
| 03:39.53 | i3dmaster | bbrazil: wow, this guy is having tons of testings to run.. |
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| 03:40.02 | i3dmaster | Knight7: oh no, not proved yet |
| 03:40.15 | Guerin | Knight7: right, i see |
| 03:40.20 | bbrazil | i3dmaster: just lots of ways to try and break it |
| 03:40.21 | Danar | ok, found the error in XFree86.0.log |
| 03:40.24 | Danar | (WW) fglrx(0): Kernel Module version does *not* match driver. |
| 03:40.24 | Danar | (EE) fglrx(0): incompatible kernel module detected - HW accelerated OpenGL will not work |
| 03:40.25 | i3dmaster | Knight7: I was just hoping that memtester can detect if there is anything wrong on the memory |
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| 03:40.44 | i3dmaster | bbrazil: true |
| 03:40.45 | Danar | so i gotta upgrade the kernel module... damn |
| 03:41.00 | Guerin | Knight7: so, how to go about creating a fake partition for us with an emulator which thinks it needs its own partition? |
| 03:41.27 | Knight7 | Guerin: Will you end up putting a filesystem on that partition? |
| 03:41.55 | Guerin | Knight7: yeah, I'm wanting to install windows in it, then run it throuh qemu |
| 03:42.05 | i3dmaster | shingouz: it looks similar, the difference is my time is jumping back and forth. its not just alwast a little bit faster. Actually, if the time just go faster, that's easy to adjust... |
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| 03:43.17 | ddfire | hi how i do to install zlib and zlib-devel packages?? |
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| 03:44.07 | Knight7 | Guerin: I'm not sure how qemu works, but at least for wine, you might try mounting a vfat filesystem on loopback. |
| 03:44.14 | shingouz | i3dmaster: maybe the voltage is fluctuating on the oscillator. from the googling i have done so far there seem to be a few IBM's that have had similar symptoms. too slow clocks, too fast clocks or just fluctuating clocks but the ones i have found do not have any indication of a cure. still googling |
| 03:44.24 | i3dmaster | bbrazil: how many test this guy has, its going to 90th test and still running... would it stop by itself or I have to kill it? |
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| 03:45.13 | Knight7 | i3dmaster: It will run indefinitely, but you should let it do one or two passes before quitting. |
| 03:45.27 | Knight7 | i3dmaster: by default, that is |
| 03:45.31 | i3dmaster | shingouz: oh I see. you know what does make sense though... more than likely its a hardware issue |
| 03:45.39 | shingouz | i3dmaster: if you have acpi there, turn it off and run the computer with just apm. some indications of acpi messing up something |
| 03:46.06 | i3dmaster | shingouz: I do have acpi on, and apm is off though |
| 03:46.13 | i3dmaster | Knight7: ok I see |
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| 03:47.19 | shingouz | i think it is hardware related too. maybe it can be corrected with some configuration, maybe it will need some hardware hacking. try apm on acpi off and remember to make the bios have the same options, i3dmaster |
| 03:47.24 | i3dmaster | Knight7: ok, I am running it on my own box right now, so far passed 110th testings without any problem. So I should be able to kill it. I will run on that problem box later. |
| 03:47.49 | Knight7 | i3dmaster: ok |
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| 03:49.19 | takatumi | ddfire: zilb1g and zlib1g-dev perhaps? |
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| 03:49.31 | i3dmaster | shingouz: ok got it |
| 03:49.36 | TNKS | hey everybody, I have a question about IMAP. Does anybody know a good Linux utility to delete attachments from IMAP E-mails? |
| 03:49.47 | TNKS | Does Pine or Mutt do this? |
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| 03:50.03 | TNKS | Because the more fanciful GUIs that I've tried don't seem to. |
| 03:50.04 | saberworks | any suggestions on getting mod_include to work? I'm on testing, two boxes, same symptoms. Apache 1.3. I've got AddHandler server-parsed .shtml, the module was added using apache-modconf, and it's in modules.conf. Any ideas why my .shtml files aren't being parsed at all? |
| 03:50.05 | zeeble | hi |
| 03:50.37 | i3dmaster | Knight7, shingouz, bbrazil, dondelelcaro: I am running memtest on the problem box now |
| 03:50.44 | ddfire | takatumi, the program say i need zlib and zlib-devel |
| 03:50.52 | Knight7 | TNKS: Pine does this well. |
| 03:51.06 | Knight7 | TNKS: for an individual piece of mail. |
| 03:51.11 | i3dmaster | Knight7, shingouz, bbrazil, dondelelcaro: passwd 30th testings without any problem |
| 03:51.25 | Knight7 | TNKS: but it probably would be tedious if you wanted to do a batch job. |
| 03:51.54 | cafuego | i3dmaster: Run it overnight, see if it gets any issues. |
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| 03:52.39 | i3dmaster | cafuego: overnight? Wouldn't that too much? |
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| 03:52.50 | cafuego | i3dmaster: what? |
| 03:52.57 | simonrvn | TNKS: mutt does it fine |
| 03:53.07 | i3dmaster | cafuego: that would be too much I think |
| 03:53.14 | cafuego | i3dmaster: Why? |
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| 03:53.27 | cafuego | i3dmaster: it should not develop errors iven if it ran for 3 months |
| 03:53.48 | i3dmaster | cafuego: it runs easily about 100 testings within several mins. |
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| 03:54.05 | cafuego | i3dmaster: Yes, so? |
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| 03:54.33 | i3dmaster | cafuego: wait, its hung on 99th test |
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| 03:54.54 | paragonx | i'm having problems upgrading my vid card driver. can someon help me out? |
| 03:55.23 | i3dmaster | Knight7, shingouz, bbrazil, dondelelcaro, cafuego: it passed, by much slower now |
| 03:55.33 | TNKS | Knight7, simonrvn, I just found some directions for doing this with pine and mutt. |
| 03:55.42 | cafuego | i3dmaster: So there is some sort of issue. |
| 03:56.02 | gabe123 | is there a program for mouse gestures? |
| 03:56.08 | i3dmaster | cafuego: ya looks like. If I run overnight, would it kill my box? |
| 03:56.17 | simonrvn | TNKS: it's easy. go v once viewing the email, and hit d on the attachment |
| 03:56.21 | cafuego | i3dmaster: it shouldn't, it's just data being written and read. |
| 03:56.36 | i3dmaster | Knight7, shingouz, bbrazil, dondelelcaro, cafuego" interesting... it seems back to speed |
| 03:56.42 | TNKS | I'm normally fine with text-based alternatives to GUIs, but in the case of E-mail clients, I just think things like Thunderbird are kind of nice, but this one feature is missing. |
| 03:56.50 | i3dmaster | cafuego: ok |
| 03:57.09 | simonrvn | i3dmaster: dude, i think it's ok, and you don't need to tell us the play by play |
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| 03:58.05 | i3dmaster | simonrvn: I am not very familiar this sort of thing, just want to make sure everyhing is still good. After all, I want my box back |
| 03:58.07 | blujay | I need some help. After dist-upgrading my laptop, my wifi card doesn't work. When I try to raise the interface, it says "wlan0: ERROR while getting interface flags: No such device". I've checked /etc/network/interfaces, and it hasn't changed. I verified that the wifi driver module is loaded. I have no idea what to do next. Any help would be appreciated. |
| 03:58.16 | simonrvn | i3dmaster: sure |
| 03:58.36 | cafuego | 'wlan0' means a non-free 3rd party driver. Ask them for support. |
| 03:58.39 | i3dmaster | buy anyway, I will let it run overnight and see how it goes. |
| 03:58.52 | blujay | cafuego: It worked for months until I dist-upgraded and rebooted. |
| 03:58.55 | simonrvn | i3dmaster: yes |
| 03:59.07 | cafuego | blujay: Well, then you know what broke it, eh? |
| 03:59.14 | blujay | cafuego: And it is actually an open-source driver. |
| 03:59.36 | blujay | blujay: If I knew what broke it, I would fix it. I've checked everything I know to check. Now I need some help. If you are just going to be rude, then please don't say anything. |
| 03:59.58 | simonrvn | bugger wugger fucker! :P |
| 04:00.08 | cafuego | blujay: it saus 'wlan0: No such device" - hint: no driver. |
| 04:00.16 | mwilson_ | blujay: So... (a) why did you dist-upgrade, (b) what packages got changed? |
| 04:00.20 | blujay | cafuego: did you read what I said? I did an lsmod and the module IS loaded. |
| 04:00.44 | cafuego | blujay: Did you read what *I* said? no driver. That's what your kernel is telling you. |
| 04:00.59 | blujay | cafuego: the kernel is the same, the driver IS loaded, so how are you telling me the driver isn't loaded? |
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| 04:01.03 | mwilson_ | Nah, other actual in-kernel drivers create interfaces named wlan<n> |
| 04:01.19 | cafuego | blujay: I'm telling you your kernel says you don't have the right driver. |
| 04:01.23 | poli | Hello! Anyone using testing has noticed that linphone lost its codec list? |
| 04:01.29 | blujay | mwilson_: a lot of packages were changed, it had been a while since I upgraded |
| 04:01.31 | cafuego | blujay: That's what that error means. |
| 04:01.47 | mwilson_ | blujay: That's not what I asked you, now is it? I asked two specific questions. |
| 04:01.50 | blujay | cafuego: It's the same driver and the same kernel. That's all I know. |
| 04:02.03 | blujay | mwilson_: you want the entire list of changed packages? |
| 04:02.08 | cafuego | blujay: Well, if you can't be forthcoming with sueful info, we can't help you. |
| 04:02.30 | blujay | cafuego: What? I explained the problem in detail, I'm not some newbie who says "HELP IT DOESN"T WORK" |
| 04:02.47 | DuckTales | "gnomebaker is only 9 days old. It must be 10 days old to go in." |
| 04:02.49 | mwilson_ | blujay: Of course you are. That's *exactly* what you are. |
| 04:02.50 | DuckTales | One more day.. |
| 04:02.57 | DuckTales | Then gnomebaker will be in the debian.org repos. |
| 04:03.13 | mwilson_ | DuckTales: Except that it is now, and has been for some time. |
| 04:03.15 | DuckTales | lol |
| 04:03.33 | blujay | mwilson_: Dude, I spent a lot of time trying to figure the problem out on my own before coming here. I used up all the knowledge I have, and I checked Google first, but that didn't help either. So finally I came here, and I get rude people. Usually #debian is much friendlier. |
| 04:03.39 | DuckTales | mwilson_, Where? |
| 04:03.43 | cafuego | blujay: Did you unload the driver and then reload it, to see if it prints any info? |
| 04:03.54 | blujay | cafuego: rmmod and insmod work fine, no errors |
| 04:03.55 | saberworks | any suggestions on getting apache mod_include to work? I'm on testing, two boxes, same symptoms. Apache 1.3.33. I've got AddHandler server-parsed .shtml, the module was added using apache-modconf, and it's in modules.conf. There's Options +Includes in the correct Directory line. Any ideas why my .shtml files aren't being parsed at all? |
| 04:04.02 | zeeble | blujay: use modprobe |
| 04:04.09 | cafuego | blujay: You shouldn't be using isnmod. ever. |
| 04:04.17 | blujay | cafuego: sorry, that's what I meant |
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| 04:04.29 | cafuego | blujay: Is it what you meant or what you DID? |
| 04:04.43 | blujay | cafuego: it's what I did, and it loads fine, no errors |
| 04:04.52 | cafuego | blujay: What does 'dmesg' say? |
| 04:05.10 | blujay | cafuego: ah, that's a good idea, I hadn't thought of that, thanks |
| 04:05.19 | mwilson_ | blujay: All I've seen is a complete lack of detail... "I dist-upgraded, but from what to what I can't say, and what packages changed I can't say, and oh, I'd better not tell you what hardware I have either, 'cause that might help you figure out my problem." |
| 04:05.33 | zeeble | heh |
| 04:05.39 | blujay | cafuego: the module is trying to load, but it "Can't get IRQ 0" |
| 04:05.56 | blujay | cafuego: says it found the card, though |
| 04:06.06 | cafuego | blujay: What card? |
| 04:06.10 | poli | blujay, IRQ 0? System timer? |
| 04:06.22 | blujay | mwilson_: Ok, sorry. I'm running testing. The card is a DWL-650+ using the ACX100 drivers from acx100.sf.net |
| 04:06.26 | poli | blujay, That one the OS uses to make multi-task? |
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| 04:06.30 | mwilson_ | cafuego: Now, now, he said he already gave all the detail he has. So he must not know what card it is. |
| 04:06.34 | blujay | poli: I don't know, I've never had this problem before. |
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| 04:06.47 | blujay | mwilson_: you're being rather arrogant and rude, and I don't appreciate it |
| 04:07.00 | cafuego | blujay: See the /ignore button? use it if you must. |
| 04:07.06 | blujay | cafuego: good idea |
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| 04:07.21 | zeeble | ignore has a button now? |
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| 04:07.28 | me | hey my console seems to be booting up in graphical mode instea dof text mode, the result is that I can't access my console anymore how do I revert back to text mode? |
| 04:07.31 | cafuego | zeeble: In X-chat undoubtedly |
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| 04:07.40 | Guerin | !tell me about nodm |
| 04:07.43 | zeeble | me Ctrl Alt F1-F7 |
| 04:07.48 | Guerin | hah |
| 04:07.49 | me | yes i know that |
| 04:07.51 | cafuego | blujay: Which driver version are you running? |
| 04:07.52 | me | the point is |
| 04:07.52 | Guerin | !nodm |
| 04:07.52 | dpkg | Debian does not use a specific runlevel for graphical display managers by default. Just remove the dm package(s) with "apt-get remove xdm kdm wdm login.app gdm pdm". "update-rc.d -f xdm remove" and friends will also disable the dm until a package update is installed and the runlevel symlinks are restored.. NEWSFLASH! echo "false" >/etc/X11/default-display-manager, or a temporary solution is to hit ctl-alt-fN to get to a console |
| 04:07.55 | mwilson_ | me: Well, then? |
| 04:08.01 | blujay | cafuego: I'm wondering if it's a hotplug or PCMCIA problem, because the driver is complaining about the assigned IRQ, and it used to work fine. |
| 04:08.04 | me | i cant access the console because they are in graphical mode and out of my monitors scan range |
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| 04:08.15 | Guerin | me: so you've set it up wrong |
| 04:08.16 | me | only my graphical (X) environment is working |
| 04:08.24 | cafuego | blujay: And which kernel? |
| 04:08.30 | me | yes, so how do i revert back to text mode... |
| 04:08.37 | mwilson_ | me: So what you ACTUALLY mean is that you set up something like framebuffer, and screwed it up. |
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| 04:08.44 | cafuego | me: ctrl-alt-f1 |
| 04:08.48 | blujay | cafuego: 0.2.0pre8...not the latest, I'll admit, but it worked until now...2.6.10-1-386 is the kernel, same one... |
| 04:08.48 | me | I have thought about compiling a kernel without graphics mode capabilities, but that seems bothersome |
| 04:08.50 | suidik | I'm trying woody->sarge upgrade, but I can't go through libc6 upgrade - always stops at: dpkg: error processing /var/cache/apt/archives/libc6_2.3.2.ds1-20_i386.deb (--unpack): subprocess pre-installation script returned error exit status 139 |
| 04:09.00 | blujay | cafuego: I will try upgrading the driver module. Thanks for your help. |
| 04:09.02 | Guerin | me: boot with vga=normal |
| 04:09.17 | me | is there a way to change it at run time? |
| 04:09.24 | zeeble | yeah. as guerin said. remove all those weird stuff in the bootloader config. |
| 04:09.30 | cafuego | blujay: 0.2.0pre8 is the latest accrding to the website you pasted and also states it doesn't work on 2.6.x |
| 04:09.30 | mwilson_ | me: Yes, you were just told how to do so. |
| 04:09.32 | poli | me on boot: linux vga=normal |
| 04:09.37 | me | yes on boot |
| 04:09.37 | Guerin | zeeble: fbset, maybe. svgatextmode |
| 04:09.43 | me | i was wondering if it were possible at run time |
| 04:09.46 | me | saves me the reboot |
| 04:09.46 | cafuego | or is that the USB one only... |
| 04:09.46 | blujay | cafuego: well, it DOES work on 2.6.10, I've been using it for months |
| 04:09.47 | Guerin | eh |
| 04:09.50 | me | besides its educational |
| 04:09.55 | blujay | cafuego: yes I think that's the USB version |
| 04:09.56 | Guerin | me: ^^^ |
| 04:10.03 | zeeble | me guess not. you have to reboot. |
| 04:10.05 | poli | me, Don't think so, sorry. :) |
| 04:10.11 | me | too bad :( |
| 04:10.13 | me | thx for the help |
| 04:10.19 | cafuego | blujay: Edit /etc/pcmcia/config.opts add add "exclude irq 0" |
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| 04:10.34 | blujay | cafuego: actually it's 0.2.0pre8_plus_fixes43 or something like that...very poor/confusing numbering scheme... |
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| 04:10.43 | blujay | cafuego: thanks, I will try that...should I reboot afterwards? |
| 04:10.51 | Guerin | !fuck korail.go.kr's online timetable service |
| 04:10.53 | mwilson_ | cafuego: Is that really going to make a difference? It's a cardbus card. |
| 04:11.00 | cafuego | blujay: No, just restart pcmcia-cs |
| 04:11.05 | blujay | cafuego: ok, thanks |
| 04:11.06 | cafuego | mwilson_: Yes. |
| 04:11.16 | cafuego | mwilson_: My laptop is retarded that way as well. |
| 04:11.19 | poli | Anyone using some SIP/IAX package? I am having a hard time testing them. None seems to get acceptable audio quality. Can anyone recommend me one? |
| 04:11.20 | mwilson_ | pcmcia-cs cares about cardbus now? |
| 04:11.43 | cafuego | mwilson_: yes, cardmgr 9in pcmcia-cs) loads cardbus card drivers. |
| 04:12.04 | mwilson_ | Huh... usually that's given over to the kernel. |
| 04:12.19 | blujay | cafuego: I did /etc/init.d/pcmcia restart, but it's still getting the IRQ 0 error |
| 04:12.23 | cafuego | mwilson_: Well, pcmcia-cs does it here. Not the kernel. or hotplug. |
| 04:12.38 | i3dmaster | cafuego: you rock! seems knowing lots of stuff man |
| 04:12.45 | mwilson_ | cafuego: Learn something new every day. I stopped running Linux on laptops long ago. |
| 04:12.58 | cafuego | blujay: Check 'modinfo <module>' for possibly params. |
| 04:13.05 | i3dmaster | cafuego: may I ask a silly question though? |
| 04:13.05 | blujay | cafuego: thanks, will do |
| 04:13.15 | poli | mwilson_, I like debian on laptops. :) |
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| 04:13.28 | cafuego | mwilson_: The nicest is the way my laptop can't boot d-i with 2.4 kernels, makes the keyboard not work. |
| 04:13.40 | zeeble | haha |
| 04:13.44 | mwilson_ | poli: I'm happy for you. |
| 04:13.51 | zeeble | what laptop is that? |
| 04:14.04 | cafuego | 2.6 works, but only with acpi disabled. I can re-enable acpi after instalaltion, though. |
| 04:14.07 | Guerin | old sarge installers used to not work for me |
| 04:14.08 | mwilson_ | cafuego: How often do you have to run d-i on your laptop? |
| 04:14.12 | poli | zeeble, Toshiba Satellite |
| 04:14.13 | cafuego | zeeble: HP nx9005 |
| 04:14.21 | Guerin | aroundabout feb 2004 I had to use the woody installer |
| 04:14.25 | cafuego | mwilson_: Couple of times this week. |
| 04:14.36 | i3dmaster | cafuego: what difference b/w cardbus and pcmcia-cs? |
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| 04:14.59 | blujay | cafuego: according to /etc/pcmcia/config.opts, "these settings have no effect at all on resources used for 32-bit CardBus cards. These are set by the PCI hotplug subsystem." |
| 04:15.05 | mwilson_ | i3dmaster: cardbus is a hardware spec, pcmcia-cs is a piece of software. |
| 04:15.28 | cafuego | blujay: Have a perv through /etc/hotplug/* then |
| 04:15.35 | blujay | cafuego: yup, looking :) |
| 04:15.37 | zeeble | well, time to stress test courier |
| 04:15.41 | i3dmaster | mwilson_: ok. then is that pcmcia-cs anything to do with cardbus? |
| 04:15.57 | blujay | i3dmaster: according to config.opts, no |
| 04:16.03 | mwilson_ | i3dmaster: Why're you asking me? |
| 04:16.28 | i3dmaster | mwilson_: a shortcut maybe... :) |
| 04:16.54 | mwilson_ | i3dmaster: A shortcut to what? I thought it was pretty obvious that I was behind on the current state of pcmcia-cs. |
| 04:17.03 | cafuego | i3dmaster: pcmcia-cs is a software package that (on my laptop) loads drivers for cardbus cards when they're inserted. |
| 04:17.11 | blujay | cafuego: on mine hotplug does that |
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| 04:18.07 | i3dmaster | cafuego: k got it. mwilson_: still better than me... I have no knowledge about the pcmcia hardware.. |
| 04:18.34 | i3dmaster | Im tring to learn something here... kinda interesting... |
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| 04:19.24 | i3dmaster | cafuego: if you explain in this way, pcmcia-cs isn't nothing to do with cardbus though. |
| 04:19.45 | cafuego | i3dmaster: You mean 'something' ? |
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| 04:19.50 | trend | hello |
| 04:20.29 | i3dmaster | cafuego: ya, at least it loads the drivers for cardbus cards (same as pcmcia cards on laptop right?) |
| 04:20.52 | blujay | i3dmaster: look at /etc/pcmcia/config.opts, read the comments at the top |
| 04:21.07 | Zorton | when aptitude says a package is being held back does that mean there exists a newer one in the pool but my distribution doesn't call for it? |
| 04:21.26 | cafuego | Zorton: No. |
| 04:21.51 | cafuego | Zorton: Well, in a way, yes. it means the newer package has an unresolved depend, so the system keeps the old one for the time being. |
| 04:21.55 | blujay | Zorton: I believe that means there's a version conflict, an unresolved dependency probably, those can be some trouble to get around. Are you on testing or unstable? |
| 04:22.04 | Zorton | unstable |
| 04:22.07 | i3dmaster | blujay: ya I got that. nowadays, the hotplug subsystem takes care of those hotplug devices as what I knew. just want to learn something more |
| 04:22.12 | blujay | Zorton: what package is it? |
| 04:22.18 | trend | how do I change what group owns a folder? |
| 04:22.19 | Zorton | quie a few accually :) |
| 04:22.22 | blujay | i3dmaster: oh ok |
| 04:22.36 | Zorton | blujay: let me reload aptitute and i'll see what's what |
| 04:22.36 | blujay | Zorton: maybe if you wait a few days the problem will go away, after some more packages in unstable are updated |
| 04:22.59 | i3dmaster | blujay: sometimes, know the context of a technology helps you solve the problem |
| 04:23.08 | blujay | i3dmaster: indeed, especially with Linux |
| 04:23.38 | mwilson_ | trend: A "folder"? |
| 04:23.45 | i3dmaster | blujay: ya, right. no hurt to learn more... ;-) |
| 04:23.55 | blujay | mwilson_: give him a break man, maybe he's a new convert from Windows |
| 04:23.57 | trend | chgrp groupname folder is the answer :) |
| 04:24.42 | benjamindees | maybe he's using KDE :p |
| 04:25.08 | blujay | cafuego: argh. This is weird. I rebooted, and now it's working. Maybe it was a fluke hardware problem. |
| 04:25.48 | blujay | cafuego: thank you for your help though |
| 04:26.07 | trend | mwilson_ how do you add a user to a group? |
| 04:26.10 | blujay | cafuego: I was really worried that I was going to be stuck with an unnetworkable laptop |
| 04:26.22 | blujay | trend: are you using Gnome or KDE or just a console? |
| 04:26.27 | trend | no X |
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| 04:26.30 | trend | just console |
| 04:26.35 | blujay | trend: mm, ok |
| 04:26.41 | mwilson_ | trend: man addgroup. What does X have to do with it? |
| 04:26.44 | oXeY | ola |
| 04:26.55 | trend | great thanks |
| 04:26.59 | blujay | mwilson_: I was going to suggest he use a GUI utility if he was running X |
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| 04:27.25 | mwilson_ | blujay: And what's stopping you? |
| 04:27.29 | oXeY | their doesnt seem to be anyone awake in #xine anyone willing to help poor me with a install? |
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| 04:27.33 | blujay | mwilson_: the fact that he's not running X |
| 04:27.34 | trend | mwilson_ because i don't have one |
| 04:27.40 | i3dmaster | blujay: it might still have potential problem. keep an eye on it.. |
| 04:27.43 | oXeY | or maybe suggest a diffrent dvd player program |
| 04:27.46 | blujay | i3dmaster: yeah, I will, thanks |
| 04:27.53 | far | Hello, I dont understand why but ever i connect to my debian with a specific user it boot's me out ... the shell config is ok |
| 04:28.06 | blujay | mwilson_: Man, do you have to answer everything with a superior-sounding attitude? |
| 04:28.18 | blujay | far: are you using SSH or what? |
| 04:28.29 | far | ssh |
| 04:28.33 | i3dmaster | blujay: np man... I usually don't feel comforable without knowing why... :) |
| 04:28.34 | Zorton | cool, I think i've got a busted mirror |
| 04:28.35 | blujay | far: have you checked the SSH config? |
| 04:28.40 | blujay | i3dmaster: me too :) |
| 04:28.51 | blujay | Zorton: really? |
| 04:28.55 | Zorton | the Packages.gz on my favorite mirror shows fakeroot-1.2.8 but fakeroot was upgraded to 1.2.9 |
| 04:28.55 | blujay | Zorton: did changing sources fix it? |
| 04:29.12 | mwilson_ | blujay: It's superior sounding to ask you why you don't make your suggestion? Interesting position, there... |
| 04:29.13 | Zorton | well I shouuld admit it's me running the mirror |
| 04:29.31 | far | blujay, yes bit I really don't see nothing that could be corrupting access already tryed to disable pam use yet same result |
| 04:29.34 | blujay | mwilson_: No, I'm basing that on just about everything you've said since I came in here. |
| 04:29.36 | Zorton | so when fakeroot came up 404 I looked a the version that debmirror grabbed and rm'd last |
| 04:29.50 | Zorton | and it was updated to 1.2.9, but my Packages.gz for sid dosen't reflect that |
| 04:29.52 | blujay | Zorton: what mirror were you using? |
| 04:30.04 | FieldySnuts | ravenbird: troll blujay |
| 04:30.12 | mwilson_ | Oh, then it must be superior to suggest that he read a man page, and to tell him which one. |
| 04:30.23 | Zorton | blujay: one i'm working on at my local campus |
| 04:30.27 | blujay | mwilson_: No, it's your attitude, the way you talk to other people. |
| 04:30.29 | FieldySnuts | mwilson_: in this age of "computers", the user doesn't need a clue (sarcasm) |
| 04:30.35 | Zorton | blujay: haven't published it to the main lists untill I get it stabalized |
| 04:30.38 | FieldySnuts | blujay: they have it coming. |
| 04:30.40 | benjamindees | ravenbird: botloop |
| 04:30.41 | ravenbird | benjamindees: have you tried http://www.tldp.org/ ? |
| 04:30.44 | blujay | Zorton: cool, that makes it a lot more complicated |
| 04:30.46 | FieldySnuts | heh |
| 04:30.55 | Zorton | blujay: heh |
| 04:30.56 | blujay | FieldySnuts: that's a very bad attitude, the kind that puts people off and sends them to other distros |
| 04:31.02 | i3dmaster | mwilson_: hey Dude, be nice. we all come here to learn. |
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| 04:31.11 | Zorton | blujay: before I get all excited though, i'll just update the mirror and see if that fixes it |
| 04:31.13 | adexta | !dpkg rar |
| 04:31.13 | dpkg | rar is, like, an archiver used mostly by 3l33+ war3z d00dz ;), or unrar to unrar things, or the worst file format ever, designed by morons FFS, use split and cat like a sane person!, or (better get parchive too, lest your pr0n be incomplete) |
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| 04:31.20 | FieldySnuts | blujay: if they can't handle something as minor as a minor attitude, and being expected to have or get a clue, then too bad |
| 04:31.24 | blujay | FieldySnuts: contrast yourself with, for example, the Gentoo community, where helping others is the name of the game |
| 04:31.24 | dodgyville | Hello. |
| 04:31.46 | mwilson_ | blujay: You *are* joking, of course. |
| 04:31.49 | benjamindees | hello dodgyville |
| 04:32.01 | FieldySnuts | blujay: i'm actually part of that as well, each community is different. the debian community in general does have an attitude, but that's fine with me. people who don't like it, can go sulk in a corner and fondle their fedora disks. |
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| 04:32.04 | adexta | what's the name of the package? |
| 04:32.07 | adexta | for rar |
| 04:32.12 | blujay | mwilson_: Look at the Gentoo forums, then look at people like you and FieldySnuts and how you "help" people in here. |
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| 04:32.20 | mwilson_ | Oh, wait... pointing someone to relevant documentation is no longer "helping". My mistake. |
| 04:32.23 | adexta | i tried "rar" "unrar" "winrar" |
| 04:32.31 | FieldySnuts | blujay: if you don't like it, go away. simple as that. |
| 04:32.38 | _joey | winrar 0wnz |
| 04:32.39 | FieldySnuts | @lart blujay |
| 04:32.42 | _joey | but |
| 04:32.44 | Phated | adexta: There's unrar and rar, but you need the non-free sources. |
| 04:32.49 | _joey | pax iz zze best |
| 04:32.51 | blujay | FieldySnuts: if you don't like my opinion, then ignore me. Simple as that. |
| 04:32.58 | mwilson_ | blujay: Uh, I've looked at the Gentoobie fora. Linuxquestions.org is more clued. |
| 04:33.01 | FieldySnuts | blujay: nah, too fun to annoy you. |
| 04:33.21 | Phated | And if you don't like FieldySnuts or mwilson_, then ignore -them-, sheesh. Practice, preach, y'know? |
| 04:33.27 | FieldySnuts | amen baby!! |
| 04:33.31 | FieldySnuts | Phated: :) |
| 04:33.35 | blujay | Phated: I am, actually |
| 04:33.36 | Phated | Hello, FieldySnuts dear. |
| 04:33.39 | FieldySnuts | heyy |
| 04:33.51 | Phated | blujay: Good for you. |
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| 04:33.58 | Zorton | is debmirror an okay script to use for building partial mirrors? or should I be using something else? |
| 04:33.59 | FieldySnuts | getting close to sunday, is it |
| 04:34.10 | scarynetworkguy | That it is. |
| 04:34.25 | FieldySnuts | hm. tor is interesting. though slow |
| 04:34.41 | dodgyville | Does debian place python2.3 in a strange place? |
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| 04:34.57 | FieldySnuts | strange? like /dev/null ? |
| 04:35.00 | scarynetworkguy | FieldySnuts: Keep traffic analysis in mind. |
| 04:35.07 | FieldySnuts | scarynetworkguy: i'm aware |
| 04:35.11 | chunhonz | Hi, everyone. Anybody is having problem with mozilla-firefox? |
| 04:35.24 | chunhonz | I am apt-get installing it |
| 04:35.26 | cafuego | chunhonz: Apart from it being a crashing POS? |
| 04:35.33 | blujay | I mean, good grief, the very essence of Debian is that it's made by and for the community, not some company. Helping each other is the whole point! Leave the attitude at your bash prompt. There's a difference between showing someone where to find docs and making them sound like an idiot. |
| 04:35.36 | chunhonz | yeah, segfault |
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| 04:35.52 | blujay | chunhonz: mine has started crashing immediately after a file upload, but other than that, no |
| 04:35.53 | chunhonz | on the installation. Both the unstable (1.0.2-3) and testing(1.0.2-1) |
| 04:36.01 | mwilson_ | hm, weird |
| 04:36.02 | FieldySnuts | troll troll troll |
| 04:36.07 | takatumi | no segfaults here. |
| 04:36.09 | caiqian | hi all, how can I use 'dpkg' to find all the packages taged with "remove", then "purge" them? |
| 04:36.10 | cafuego | blujay: there is no reason why poeple on #debian should be helpful to anyone at all if they don't fell like it. |
| 04:36.12 | Phated | None here either. |
| 04:36.16 | blujay | chunhonz: what process is crashing? |
| 04:36.34 | chunhonz | hold on. I'll copy the info here |
| 04:36.39 | blujay | cafuego: Well, that's fine. So if they don't want to help, how about just keeping quiet instead of being a jerk? |
| 04:36.45 | FieldySnuts | blujay: when a user such as yourself sits there and whines, no surprise, you catch extra flak. |
| 04:36.51 | chunhonz | Setting up mozilla-firefox (1.0.2-3) ... |
| 04:36.51 | chunhonz | Updating mozilla-firefox chrome registry.../usr/sbin/update-mozilla-firefox-chrome: line 106: 11733 Segmentation fault firefox-bin -register >/dev/null 2>&1 |
| 04:36.54 | FieldySnuts | blujay: in that case, you should be quiet |
| 04:36.55 | cafuego | blujay: Again, /ignore is not a hard command to type. |
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| 04:37.04 | FieldySnuts | hm. yeah I shall do that myself |
| 04:37.09 | FieldySnuts | enough of my pissing |
| 04:37.15 | takatumi | but it does go unresponsive in its own way at times. |
| 04:37.18 | blujay | cafuego: The point is, people should be quiet if they don't have anything decent to say. |
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| 04:37.41 | cafuego | blujay: Who put you in charge of deciding what is a decent thing to say? |
| 04:37.48 | takatumi | blujay: yes, just go quiet now. |
| 04:37.51 | blujay | chunhonz: try renaming the ~./mozilla-firefox directory, then reinstall it, if it still doesn't work, I'd file a bug |
| 04:37.52 | FieldySnuts | god. shut up already |
| 04:38.05 | Zorton | blujay: well that did it, telling the mirror to update fixed the problem |
| 04:38.15 | chunhonz | blujay: I'll try. Thanks. |
| 04:38.15 | blujay | cafuego: I don't have to have some special authority to know that you should treat other people with decency. |
| 04:38.19 | Zorton | *sigh* now another long download :) |
| 04:38.21 | blujay | Zorton: cool |
| 04:38.21 | takatumi | !dict fwaps |
| 04:38.23 | dpkg | could not find definition for fwaps |
| 04:38.26 | cafuego | Is that like thwapping with a speech impediment? |
| 04:38.28 | Zorton | is there a way to tell apt to get the Packges.bz2? |
| 04:38.30 | FieldySnuts | @dict spliff |
| 04:38.38 | FieldySnuts | ravenbird: hi. |
| 04:38.38 | ravenbird | Dictionary 'spliff' marijuana leaves rolled into a cigarette for smoking |
| 04:38.39 | ravenbird | Many greetings, fieldysnuts, most strange traveller, to this IRCdom of plenty. |
| 04:38.47 | mwilson | Now pointing someone to documentation is indecent. |
| 04:38.48 | Zorton | instead of Packages.gz which is bigger by about a meg or two? |
| 04:38.49 | Phated | Maybe it's like a fap/thwap. |
| 04:38.51 | blujay | chunhonz: let me know if it works |
| 04:38.54 | takatumi | FieldySnuts: don't tempt me. |
| 04:38.58 | FieldySnuts | takatumi: to? |
| 04:38.59 | cafuego | blujay: I didn't think there was any law that claimed anyone should. |
| 04:39.04 | blujay | Zorton: I've wondered that myself |
| 04:39.11 | cafuego | FUCKIGN ALARM SYSTEM!!! DIE!!! |
| 04:39.19 | blujay | cafuego: If we all only went by what the law requires, the world would be a horrible place to live. |
| 04:39.20 | FieldySnuts | haha car alarm systems are dumb |
| 04:39.26 | cafuego | FieldySnuts: it's a house |
| 04:39.28 | Zorton | i'm assuming that's what the Packges.bz2 is there for, for poor saps like myself stuck behind a modem |
| 04:39.30 | chunhonz | blujay: Sorry It does not work. I removed both the .mozilla and .firefox (no .mozilla-firefox/ dir) |
| 04:39.35 | Phated | blujay: Who said it wasn't? |
| 04:39.39 | cafuego | FieldySnuts: I bet those retards left a door open, which is now moving in the wind |
| 04:39.41 | FieldySnuts | i have a rather nice car, it's car alarm is the 15 or so dogs the person accross the alley has, they go CRAZY any time ANYBODY comes near them |
| 04:39.45 | blujay | chunhonz: and you said it happens both on testing and unstable? |
| 04:39.49 | FieldySnuts | ah |
| 04:40.00 | chunhonz | yes |
| 04:40.08 | cafuego | FieldySnuts: This fucker is ALWAYS going off. Those poeple should be made to have a silent alarm or no alarm. |
| 04:40.09 | Phated | FieldySnuts: Hah, nice. |
| 04:40.10 | blujay | chunhonz: check bugs.debian.org maybe there's a bug for it already |
| 04:40.12 | chunhonz | I did apt-get install mozilla-firefox/unstable or /testing |
| 04:40.14 | FieldySnuts | the second part of that "alarm" is the owner of said dogs is a very well armed person, and he just loves the chance to take a shot at a few attempted burglars |
| 04:40.25 | chunhonz | I'll check it out. Thanks |
| 04:40.27 | blujay | chunhonz: one more idea... |
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| 04:40.34 | FieldySnuts | that's the best part, every few months you hear YOU MOTHER *****S!! BANG BANG BANG GET OUTTA HERE |
| 04:40.38 | FieldySnuts | crazy guy heh |
| 04:40.39 | blujay | chunhonz: try purging firefox and then installing it again |
| 04:40.47 | mwilson | But does he ever HIT anything? |
| 04:40.49 | FieldySnuts | so needless to say, nobody screws with my car |
| 04:40.54 | FieldySnuts | mwilson: only if they come back |
| 04:40.55 | chunhonz | bluejay: That's what I did |
| 04:40.56 | mwilson | You need to KILL them. |
| 04:40.57 | cafuego | FieldySnuts: Nice neighbourhood |
| 04:41.01 | blujay | chunhonz: weird...must be a bug then |
| 04:41.04 | chunhonz | I did everytime --purge remove |
| 04:41.07 | FieldySnuts | yeah. it sucks here, at least he's my friend |
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| 04:41.18 | chunhonz | I remembered last year (2004) there was something similar to this. |
| 04:41.22 | FieldySnuts | only small section of the neighborhood that doesn't get screwed with |
| 04:41.32 | chunhonz | blujay: And it was something related to libc |
| 04:41.35 | cafuego | come home and night and get killed by a well-intended stay bullet - yay! |
| 04:41.37 | blujay | chunhonz: I think it's remove --purge |
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| 04:41.43 | FieldySnuts | junk happens |
| 04:41.53 | Opiated | could anyone possibly recommend a java .class decompiler in debian sarge |
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| 04:42.05 | FieldySnuts | we have a rather rude ethnic-slang based nickname for here, but i'm not going to say it here |
| 04:42.06 | Opiated | i can't find a package with apt-cache search |
| 04:42.17 | cafuego | Opiated: Didn't you get the memo? Reverse engineering is illegal. |
| 04:42.20 | blujay | Opiated: LOL, say so next time, that's what I was doing :) |
| 04:42.26 | Opiated | no |
| 04:42.29 | FieldySnuts | decompiler HEHE |
| 04:42.32 | FieldySnuts | @laugh |
| 04:42.36 | Opiated | i am doing this hacking challenge thing for fun |
| 04:42.42 | Opiated | hackquest.de |
| 04:42.49 | cafuego | Opiated: it's EVEN illegal if you have permission or if it's your own code. |
| 04:42.58 | Opiated | that is lame |
| 04:43.01 | Opiated | :( |
| 04:43.08 | blujay | cafuego: what country are you talking about? |
| 04:43.10 | maher | cafuego: where is reverse engineering illegal again? |
| 04:43.11 | cafuego | Team America and the RIAA will hunt you down and neuter you. |
| 04:43.27 | Opiated | for a hack challenge game website |
| 04:43.27 | blujay | Opiated: er...ignore him...he's not telling the truth, or just joking |
| 04:43.29 | Opiated | i dout it |
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| 04:43.50 | Opiated | like they are going to spend money and resources to come after cuz im playing a game on a website |
| 04:43.52 | Opiated | riiight |
| 04:43.53 | cafuego | maher: According to the DMCA it's illegal in the US, and thus the whole world. |
| 04:44.04 | blujay | cafuego: no, "reverse engineering" is not illegal |
| 04:44.13 | blujay | cafuego: the DMCA makes it illegal to attempt to circumvent copy protection |
| 04:44.26 | blujay | cafuego: they are not the same thing |
| 04:44.29 | FieldySnuts | i doubt anybody is going to take you seriously after your last bit of whining |
| 04:44.37 | blujay | cafuego: besides, the DMCA is a stupid law |
| 04:44.45 | chunhonz | blujay: I just tried --purge again. No luck :( |
| 04:44.46 | FieldySnuts | ah so that means you should break it. nice morality |
| 04:44.50 | cafuego | blujay: You missed the </sarcasm> tags, |
| 04:44.53 | blujay | chunhonz: :( |
| 04:45.07 | blujay | cafuego: yeah, I caught it, actually |
| 04:45.12 | chunhonz | And I am stuck with konqueror for browser |
| 04:45.13 | chunhonz | :( |
| 04:45.17 | cafuego | Oooher, the alarm has been off for a whole 20 seconds now. |
| 04:45.21 | blujay | cafuego: but I don't want Opiated to be discouraged from trying |
| 04:45.26 | rafx | i bet most people pro or anti DMCA haven't even bothered reading it |
| 04:45.41 | blujay | chunhonz: are there any bugs about it? |
| 04:45.41 | Opiated | I am not trying to do anything illegal |
| 04:45.43 | takatumi | chunhonz: works fine here, fiddle some more. (dunno where) |
| 04:45.43 | Opiated | anyway |
| 04:45.44 | poli | cafuego, did you read www.piratebay.org? ;) Legal threats |
| 04:45.45 | cafuego | rafx: I just assume it's a shit law because it's a US one. |
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| 04:46.05 | blujay | chunhonz: what are you currently running, testing or unstable or what? |
| 04:46.09 | Opiated | i have more sense to go in a support channel and ask questions pertaining to illegal activity |
| 04:46.13 | Opiated | especially #debian |
| 04:46.23 | chunhonz | blujay: I am running unstable. |
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| 04:46.35 | blujay | chunhonz: how many packages are currently out-of-date? |
| 04:46.52 | blujay | chunhonz: maybe some other package that does some behind-the-scenes work has a bug and needs to be upgraded |
| 04:47.02 | chunhonz | blujay: not much, I just did an apt upgrade |
| 04:47.06 | blujay | chunhonz: ok |
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| 04:47.22 | blujay | chunhonz: well my final advice would be to wait a few days, do another upgrade, and then try to install it. If that doesnt work, I'd file a bug |
| 04:47.25 | cafuego | poli: looks like just another BT search engine |
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| 04:47.40 | poli | cafuego, Take a look inside the "Legal Threats" link. |
| 04:47.45 | chunhonz | blujay: yes, that's what I think. Thanks anyway! |
| 04:47.50 | blujay | chunhonz: good luck :) |
| 04:47.56 | poli | cafuego, VERY funny. :) |
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| 04:49.33 | smhar | hi again everybody.. and thanks to the good people here I am running on debian now :-) |
| 04:49.41 | blujay | great |
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| 04:50.25 | smhar | I am still checking the system though and see wher I need the little touchings |
| 04:50.38 | jerrymcfarts_ | hey guys |
| 04:50.40 | Zorton | blujay: found a thread on debian-user describing exactly the Package.bz2 vs Package.gz question |
| 04:50.46 | smhar | it took me around 5.5 hours for the install |
| 04:50.47 | jerrymcfarts_ | how do i use msgsnarf? |
| 04:50.51 | Zorton | blujay: turned out to be a bit of a flamefest |
| 04:51.00 | blujay | Zorton: haha not surprising |
| 04:51.20 | Zorton | blujay: somehow they twisted the orignal question as an "insult to the apt-get maintainer" |
| 04:51.28 | blujay | Zorton: LOL! |
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| 04:51.34 | Zorton | blujay: reminds me why I don't do debian development sometimes |
| 04:51.37 | jcole | lol |
| 04:51.38 | blujay | Zorton: :( |
| 04:51.44 | delyan | I just got a Turtle Beach Catalina sound card and I am trying to install it. Does anyone have any information on how to do this? |
| 04:51.52 | Zorton | ref: http://readlist.com/lists/lists.debian.org/debian-user/6/30958.html |
| 04:52.39 | jerrymcfarts_ | can anyone teach me how to use msgsnarf? it runs ok but it gives no output |
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| 04:52.45 | smhar | shouldn't installed debian packages put an icon in the main kde menu? |
| 04:53.03 | blujay | smhar: some do, some don't :/ |
| 04:53.16 | tga | I'm getting bad file sizes on smbfs mounts.. any idea what I should look at? |
| 04:53.19 | smhar | firefox, xchat andmany more didn't |
| 04:53.33 | jcole | smhar: lol, ya, you would think... it's best to just dpkg -L | grep /usr/bin |
| 04:53.36 | blujay | tga: what do you mean exactly? |
| 04:53.59 | blujay | smhar: strange, those certainly should |
| 04:54.03 | tga | blujay: 292G debian-30r1-i386-binary-1.iso |
| 04:54.04 | jcole | smhar: dpkg -L {packagename} | grep /usr/bin |
| 04:54.04 | Nurbs | smhar: they should (under Internet here) |
| 04:54.11 | blujay | tga: LOL... |
| 04:54.19 | blujay | tga: weird, I dunno :) |
| 04:54.28 | blujay | tga: sorry |
| 04:54.34 | tga | blujay: sid on both the server and the client |
| 04:54.42 | tga | according to it I have 69T of music |
| 04:54.47 | blujay | tga: wow |
| 04:54.59 | blujay | tga: well, if both are running sid, why not use NFS or something instead of SMB? |
| 04:55.01 | jcole | wow again |
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| 04:55.19 | tga | blujay: because I also have some win machines accessing this stuff? |
| 04:55.23 | blujay | tga: oh ok |
| 04:55.34 | delyan | has anyone messed with Turtle Beach Catalina sound card ? |
| 04:55.38 | blujay | tga: I assume you've checked all of the samba config stuff? |
| 04:55.41 | Shamilton0360 | how do I install a .deb package if that I have stored on my HD? |
| 04:55.51 | blujay | Shamilton0360: dpkg -i whatever.pkg |
| 04:55.51 | cafuego | Shamilton0360: dpkg -i foo.deb |
| 04:55.53 | poli | Shamilton0360, man dpkg |
| 04:55.53 | tga | blujay: yeah, I set "huge file sizes" to "off" |
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| 04:56.01 | delyan | Shamilton0360: dpkg -i deb_package_name |
| 04:56.05 | smhar | oh I found firefox, I diddn't recognize the icon.. but didn't find xchat.. if it is there |
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| 04:56.08 | cafuego | Shamilton0360: note, do not install packages intended for other debian revisions. |
| 04:56.21 | tga | by the way, does anyone else have trouble with firefox? mine crashes a lot |
| 04:56.25 | Shamilton0360 | what are other debian revisions? |
| 04:56.26 | benjamindees | lol @tga |
| 04:56.27 | blujay | tga: sorry, don't know what else to try except searching google |
| 04:56.35 | cafuego | tga: Yes. |
| 04:56.39 | blujay | tga: any extensions? |
| 04:56.43 | poli | tga, absolutely |
| 04:56.45 | delyan | tga: what is the error message? |
| 04:56.50 | tga | flash and mplayerplug-in notably |
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| 04:56.59 | cafuego | tga: Blame flash |
| 04:57.15 | tga | delyan: I don't have it handy |
| 04:57.16 | blujay | tga: the mplayer plugin is bad for that, I think |
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| 04:57.27 | blujay | tga: tends to cause 100% CPU usage freezups |
| 04:57.32 | smhar | btw how to reconfigure my video card and monitor? |
| 04:57.32 | Zorton | geeze |
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| 04:57.40 | Zorton | is apt writtten in perl? |
| 04:57.50 | Zorton | perhaps I should just write a patch to fix this 5 year old wishlist bug |
| 04:57.53 | blujay | smhar: dpkg-reconfigure xfree86-common I think |
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| 04:58.08 | sineer | hi, where's the UDEV config in 2.6 menuconfig? I install the udeb package but I also tweak the kernel for udev right? where? anyone? thanks! |
| 04:58.12 | blujay | smhar: maybe it's xfree86-server, I don't remember |
| 04:58.20 | Pythos | anyone able to say how to go through the question/answer portion for the x-window-system --- xserver settings? I tried a few times using dpkg-reconfigure, but can't figure out which package to try it on. |
| 04:58.21 | shingouz | smhar: dpkg-reconfigure xfree86-xserver |
| 04:58.29 | Nurbs | sineer: you don't. you just don't run devfs |
| 04:58.34 | blujay | shingouz: thanks |
| 04:58.35 | Pythos | man, there it is |
| 04:58.52 | sineer | Nurbs, cool.. thanks :) I'm used to dunamic devfs with bsd.. first time on linux |
| 04:58.54 | Nurbs | sineer: well, you'll want sysfs enabled, but it's really unlikely that you haven't |
| 04:58.55 | blujay | Pythos: shingouz just posted it |
| 04:59.06 | Pythos | xfree86-xserver is not installed |
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| 04:59.15 | blujay | Pythos: try xfree86-server... |
| 04:59.16 | delyan | Catalina sound card --> lspci seems to find this "Multimedia audio controller: VIA Technologies Inc. VT1720/24 [Envy24PT/HT] PCI Multi-Channel Audio Controller (rev 01)" and that's about it... |
| 04:59.19 | smhar | shingouz, Package `xfree86-xserver' is not installed and no info is available. !!! |
| 04:59.30 | sineer | I got to redo a deb cause my via8237 didn't work with alsa :( trying oss via cxxx now... |
| 04:59.32 | maher | Pythos: xserver-xfree86 |
| 04:59.40 | shingouz | true. thanks maher |
| 04:59.41 | delyan | does any one have an idea what i can do from this point on in regards to TB Catalina Sound card? |
| 04:59.45 | blujay | ah, there we go |
| 04:59.58 | sineer | anyone here with an Asus board and ac97 audio? |
| 04:59.58 | delyan | Does Debian support this card at all ? |
| 05:00.00 | shingouz | damn i always forget that part for some reason |
| 05:00.13 | cafuego | delyan: You mean you didn't check before you bought it? |
| 05:00.24 | blujay | sineer: if it's AC97 audio, it's probably supported |
| 05:00.28 | delyan | cafuego: right |
| 05:00.34 | Pythos | Ok, so.. that was it maher, thnx |
| 05:00.39 | sineer | blujay, I know.. but alsa ac97 modprobe failed to detect anything |
| 05:00.51 | smhar | shingouz, but I am running X!! |
| 05:01.01 | blujay | sineer: try booting Knoppix, if that can run it, then it should be possible in Debian |
| 05:01.16 | shingouz | smhar: dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xfree86 is the command, i always get it wrong |
| 05:01.20 | blujay | smhar: after you do it, restart X |
| 05:01.21 | cafuego | delyan: < > ICE/VT1724/1720 (Envy24HT/PT) (2.6.11 kernel config) |
| 05:01.29 | maher | delyan: google says http://www.turtlebeach.com/site/kb_ftp/5865008.asp |
| 05:01.30 | sineer | yeah.. and use knoppix irq/dma settings? is it that modprobe is to lame to probe my via right? |
| 05:01.36 | cafuego | "the module will be called snd-ice1724." |
| 05:01.52 | blujay | sineer: I don't know, look in dmesg and see if there are any errors |
| 05:01.57 | smhar | thanks shingouz & blujay |
| 05:02.02 | sineer | yes I saw errors.. codec blah.. wait |
| 05:02.03 | blujay | smhar: good luck |
| 05:02.18 | delyan | maher: I read this but i hoped it was an old post |
| 05:02.20 | Pythos | Now on to a different question about it all.. when it came up in the first install, it had marked vesa as the xserver driver. However, thinking that I had read the MB manual, I decided that the right one would be sis. Sis failed, was the system guessing vesa for some smart reason? |
| 05:02.32 | sineer | codec_read: codec 0 is not balid [0xfe0000] repeated like 6 times |
| 05:02.37 | cafuego | delyan: 2.6.11 at least supports it 9via ALSA) |
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| 05:02.45 | maher | Pythos: probably not - vesa is meant to work on most cards |
| 05:03.04 | blujay | sineer: does it work in Knoppix? |
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| 05:03.30 | jerrymcfarts | hey guys |
| 05:03.38 | Pythos | maher, ok, thnx |
| 05:03.39 | sineer | I dunno, I haven't tried another linux distro than debian for ehh.. 3 or 4 yrs mayb |
| 05:03.40 | delyan | cafuego: alsaconf complains that it cant find a module |
| 05:03.51 | eduardo_ | Ooh sounds like I am right on topic here... I keep reading about tools which will probe my video hardware and config X for me but I cannot find the names for them. Sounds like this usually happens on install. Didn't happen for me. What tool can I use to |
| 05:03.52 | blujay | sineer: try Knoppix or an Ubuntu livecd |
| 05:03.54 | eduardo_ | autoconfig X? |
| 05:04.02 | sineer | but I'm willing to download this and give it a try... but that won't fix my sound in the living room for my movie I wanted to watch heh |
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| 05:04.09 | blujay | eduardo_: dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xfree86 |
| 05:04.10 | cafuego | delyan: 'modprobe snd-ice1724' |
| 05:04.13 | jerrymcfarts | does anyone know how to use msgsnarf? It works fine but there is no output. |
| 05:04.15 | delyan | cafuego: I have 2.6.11.6 |
| 05:04.28 | blujay | sineer: hehe...sorry...can't always fix problems like this real fast |
| 05:04.29 | sineer | well not tonight anyway.. but thanks. I'll try oss audio and if that doesn't fix it I'll try the knoppix thing |
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| 05:04.41 | blujay | sineer: have you used modconf? |
| 05:04.44 | eduardo_ | blujay -- trying |
| 05:04.44 | delyan | cafuego: this returns FATAL |
| 05:04.52 | cafuego | delyan: FATAL what? |
| 05:05.11 | delyan | cafuego: "FATAL: Module snd_ice1724 not found." |
| 05:05.16 | sineer | blujay, nop. .I'll check that out |
| 05:05.22 | delyan | cafuego: "FATAL: Error running install command for snd_ice1724" |
| 05:05.24 | sineer | I think google just gave me smoething |
| 05:05.26 | blujay | sineer: try modconf and make sure the right audio modules are loaded |
| 05:05.31 | cafuego | delyan: Well, that should be enough of a hint. You didn't configure your kernel with the driver. |
| 05:05.45 | cafuego | delyan: No wonder it's not working. |
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| 05:05.47 | jerrymcfarts | damn.. lol i was just here |
| 05:06.25 | jerrymcfarts | I love running Two X servers |
| 05:06.30 | jerrymcfarts | when I am gaming |
| 05:06.34 | jerrymcfarts | its soo muc easier |
| 05:06.43 | jerrymcfarts | than useing Alt+Enter |
| 05:06.54 | blujay | jerrymcfarts: under the same user? |
| 05:06.55 | jerrymcfarts | or was that Ctrl+ Enter to minimise |
| 05:06.57 | jerrymcfarts | yep |
| 05:07.04 | blujay | jerrymcfarts: is there a doc that explains how to do that? |
| 05:07.04 | shingouz | jerrymcfarts: enter is not punctuation |
| 05:07.08 | Pythos | maher, any guess if'n using a ECS - 755-A2 MB with onboard video? |
| 05:07.11 | delyan | cafuego: so now i should compile that module only ? |
| 05:07.12 | cafuego | shingouz: what do |
| 05:07.14 | jerrymcfarts | blujay, running an X server on f7 and f8 |
| 05:07.15 | cafuego | you mean? |
| 05:07.21 | shingouz | cafuego: not |
| 05:07.22 | maher | Pythos: sorry - dunno |
| 05:07.23 | shingouz | cafuego: sure |
| 05:07.29 | blujay | jerrymcfarts: yeah but if I try to run two gnome's under the same user it doesn't like it |
| 05:07.33 | jerrymcfarts | blujay, I wrote one up |
| 05:07.37 | jerrymcfarts | blujay, hold on |
| 05:07.45 | eduardo_ | blujay, I don't believe it DETECTED anything... just is asking me to selecthardware properties which i have no idea about. |
| 05:07.52 | cafuego | delyan: That *should* worm, yes. |
| 05:07.55 | cafuego | work too |
| 05:08.10 | cafuego | delyan: or simply used a precompiled kernel. |
| 05:08.12 | blujay | eduardo_: I see. Hmm...have you checked with Knoppix or Ubuntu to see if they auto-detect anything? |
| 05:08.12 | sineer | blujay, modconf is useful but nothing I haven't tried with rmmod already |
| 05:08.17 | blujay | sineer: ok |
| 05:08.19 | jerrymcfarts | blujay, well not so.. Linux is all about being multiusers, it will slow your copmuter down, but i don't run a full gnome under both of them |
| 05:08.29 | sineer | blujay, would be useful if installed anothing non custom kernel :) |
| 05:08.32 | eduardo_ | blujay - interesting point... |
| 05:08.34 | blujay | jerrymcfarts: yeah I could skip gnome on one of them |
| 05:08.51 | jerrymcfarts | blujay, here read this my guide, http://www.linuxquestions.org/questions/showthread.php?s=&threadid=285904 |
| 05:08.55 | blujay | sineer: oh, that could be part of the problem...have you tried booting a regular Debian kernel? |
| 05:08.58 | blujay | jerrymcfarts: thanks |
| 05:09.18 | blujay | jerrymcfarts: hey cool you play TCE also |
| 05:09.33 | blujay | jerrymcfarts: I hardly play AA anymore, TCE is so much better |
| 05:09.37 | sineer | blujay, not in awhile no.. but I figure if its not the alsa pci module its cause its the oss via one.. I' running 2.6.11 |
| 05:09.52 | delyan | cafuego: is "make menuconfig" going to do this ? do you have handy a source on how to compile a single module ? |
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| 05:09.54 | jerrymcfarts | blujay, I love them both, but since i have been learning to get a server up, that has been my game |
| 05:10.04 | blujay | sineer: have you tried...hmm...alsacfg or alsaconf, can't remember which |
| 05:10.08 | cafuego | delyan: 'make modules'. Then just copy the module by hand |
| 05:10.15 | jerrymcfarts | blujay, i also just installed Ubuntu, so id ont' havea nything installed |
| 05:10.24 | blujay | jerrymcfarts: what's your in-game name? I'll put it in XQF and look for you |
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| 05:10.50 | jerrymcfarts | blujay, after you are done reading my guide, let me know how you iked it, my sn is JerryMcFarts |
| 05:11.02 | smhar | ok I am back with the right screen size and color depth yahoo.. I am debian :-) |
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| 05:11.10 | FieldySnuts | f |
| 05:11.12 | blujay | jerrymcfarts: cool will do |
| 05:11.18 | sineer | blujay, no I haven't.. could this be useful when nothing show up in dmesg about detected via multimedia controller? |
| 05:11.20 | eduardo_ | blujay, itcomplains about 'no screens found' after saying 'no devide detected'.... |
| 05:11.28 | eduardo_ | are there any other tools which probe X? |
| 05:11.35 | eduardo_ | I mena , probe video hardware |
| 05:11.35 | blujay | sineer: maybe, I'm not sure |
| 05:11.38 | tga | eduardo_: X -configure |
| 05:11.39 | delyan | cafuego: thanks much ! |
| 05:11.44 | blujay | eduardo_: what video card do you have? |
| 05:12.32 | eduardo_ | tga: that seemed to work.. Let me play more |
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| 05:12.52 | delyan | cafuego: do ou know the name of the .o file ? |
| 05:12.59 | blujay | jerrymcfarts: that's cool...but you know you can also run gdmflexiserver (or "New Login" through the menus) and that will start another X server on "F8" |
| 05:13.09 | jerrymcfarts | really? |
| 05:13.13 | blujay | jerrymcfarts: yeah |
| 05:13.23 | jerrymcfarts | blujay, in command line just run gdmflexiserver? |
| 05:13.24 | cafuego | delyan: I told you a little while back. the help info on the module screen also lists its name. And it's a .ko file. |
| 05:13.27 | blujay | jerrymcfarts: yep |
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| 05:14.14 | blujay | jerrymcfarts: also, with the latest xscreensaver, you can click New Login while a screensaver is running |
| 05:14.41 | jerrymcfarts | blujay, Damn.. I just orgasimed in my pants |
| 05:15.00 | sineer | arr where are the make-kpkg docs again? I totally forgot :( |
| 05:15.00 | blujay | jerrymcfarts: you know what would be really cool is if you could run a single command that would start a new xserver and run the game on the new display |
| 05:15.25 | cafuego | sineer: /usr/share/doc/kernel-package |
| 05:15.29 | FieldySnuts | which you can |
| 05:15.31 | FieldySnuts | man startx |
| 05:15.44 | jerrymcfarts | blujay, you could do that probably with a script |
| 05:15.46 | sineer | cafuego, thank you |
| 05:15.48 | cafuego | That's exceedingly trivial. |
| 05:16.02 | blujay | jerrymcfarts: yeah probably |
| 05:16.10 | jerrymcfarts | blujay, i am still learning, i wouldn't know how too plus would have to work around playing the game as root |
| 05:16.17 | Osmar | where do |
| 05:16.18 | blujay | jerrymcfarts: yeah, good points...same here |
| 05:16.19 | cafuego | You could even make gdm run an X server with said game as 3rd X server |
| 05:16.34 | blujay | cafuego: doesn't the game require an X server to be running to start? |
| 05:16.35 | jerrymcfarts | blujay, punkbuster really pisses me off |
| 05:16.40 | cafuego | s/gdm/*dm/ |
| 05:16.47 | jerrymcfarts | blujay, half thet ime it works half the time it doesn't |
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| 05:16.55 | blujay | jerrymcfarts: no probs here, what exactly happens? |
| 05:17.03 | blujay | jerrymcfarts: do you mean in AA or TCE? |
| 05:17.10 | jerrymcfarts | blujay, the pbkey doesn't recongize |
| 05:17.15 | blujay | jerrymcfarts: I got that one time!!! |
| 05:17.19 | blujay | jerrymcfarts: really drove me nuts |
| 05:17.22 | cafuego | FieldySnuts: I do note, btw, that it appears to be morphing into sunday. |
| 05:17.22 | jerrymcfarts | blujay, the so i usaelly have to go in a delete it |
| 05:17.26 | FieldySnuts | :( |
| 05:17.29 | blujay | jerrymcfarts: yeah, I did that and it fixed it |
| 05:17.34 | jerrymcfarts | blujay, and then after its deleted i will have to initialize it again |
| 05:17.39 | blujay | jerrymcfarts: found the solution through Google on a RTCW forum |
| 05:17.52 | jerrymcfarts | blujay, I think it happens everytime i restart my computer |
| 05:17.57 | blujay | jerrymcfarts: that is weird. |
| 05:18.05 | jerrymcfarts | blujay, yea, its just an annoyance that bugs me |
| 05:18.09 | blujay | jerrymcfarts: the thing that drove me crazy the most was trying to get TCE to work with TeamSpeak |
| 05:18.25 | blujay | jerrymcfarts: TCE would load a black square in the corner of the screen and sit there until I killed it |
| 05:18.35 | jerrymcfarts | blujay, I have never done that how is it? |
| 05:18.36 | blujay | jerrymcfarts: I had to run it from a console and see what the last thing it loaded was, which was audio |
| 05:18.52 | blujay | jerrymcfarts: you have to echo something to /proc/asound, there's a very helpful thread on the TCE Linux forum |
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| 05:20.47 | eduardo_ | bluejay,I have a thinkpad t22 and apparent it uses a S3 card. I guess that got detected. But it refuses to use any resolution aside from 640x480 |
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| 05:21.07 | blujay | eduardo_: have you added the resolutions to /etc/X11/XFree86-4? |
| 05:21.17 | blujay | sorry, it's XFree86Config-4 I think |
| 05:21.29 | jerrymcfarts | blujay, alright if and when i load TCE I will check it out |
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| 05:21.37 | blujay | eduardo_: haha, ok, it's XF86Config-4 |
| 05:21.40 | eduardo_ | I don't have a -4, only a XFree86Config |
| 05:21.43 | blujay | jerrymcfarts: cool |
| 05:21.44 | Pythos | hehe, well I think I got the xwin problem straightened out, but Im not in the office with the machine. I can't see the monitor. I don't see an error anyway, so when I get back there, I hope it works ;-) |
| 05:21.46 | blujay | eduardo_: ok use that one then |
| 05:22.05 | blujay | eduardo_: find the entries where the resolutions are listed and add the ones you want to use |
| 05:22.14 | cafuego | eduardo_: Are you running Debian? |
| 05:22.16 | blujay | eduardo_: then X should use the highest one available, I think |
| 05:22.35 | jerrymcfarts | I have used XQF before but AAO's servers don't pop up |
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| 05:22.53 | blujay | jerrymcfarts: yeah I use AABrowse for AA, but it's not in Debian, you have to compile and install it yourself, but it |
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| 05:22.57 | blujay | jerrymcfarts: is great |
| 05:23.15 | cafuego | holy crap |
| 05:23.30 | FieldySnuts | yes, aao won't let anything but their own client get servers |
| 05:23.33 | loren | jackd has permision problems running as a regular user, but i need i can run it as root, how do i give myself the correct permisions to run it |
| 05:23.41 | FieldySnuts | which sucks because their game browser stinks |
| 05:23.45 | blujay | loren: are you in the audio group? |
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| 05:24.01 | eduardo_ | Blujay: I dont have any resolutions listed in there... HMM.. when I ran dpkg-reconfigure it asked me about resolutions,apparentlythat did not get saved? |
| 05:24.02 | loren | blujay: no, how do i add myself to that group |
| 05:24.11 | blujay | loren: are you running a GUI or just a console? |
| 05:24.15 | loren | GUI |
| 05:24.19 | loren | KDE |
| 05:24.21 | blujay | eduardo_: maybe so, make sure you select all of the ones you want to use |
| 05:24.29 | blujay | loren: ok use the GUI applet for editing users and groups |
| 05:24.46 | Pythos | root 11505 0.4 1.3 82316 13664 ? S< 00:20 0:00 /usr/X11R6/bin/X :0 -audit 0 -auth /var/lib/gdm/:0.Xauth -nolisten tcp vt7 |
| 05:24.56 | Pythos | seems to be waiting for login.. I guess its up |
| 05:25.20 | loren | blujay: Opening KUser, haha is this really all i needed to do? lol |
| 05:25.26 | blujay | loren: maybe |
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| 05:25.49 | eduardo_ | blujay, maybe its because i hit enter when it asks me about BUS ID.. but i have no idea. |
| 05:26.05 | blujay | eduardo_: I don't know, read all of the help info when you do dpkg-reconfigure |
| 05:26.18 | blujay | also I recommend you use update-alternatives to set the dpkg-reconfigure to use the GUI interfaces |
| 05:26.31 | loren | blujay: it said i was in the audio group however i just set myself to primarily be in the audio group |
| 05:26.38 | eduardo_ | what does'update-alternatives' mean |
| 05:26.42 | blujay | loren: primarily? what do you mean? |
| 05:26.46 | blujay | eduardo_: it's a command you can run |
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| 05:27.47 | loren | bluja: it asked me which group i was primarily in under KUsers and i said Audio |
| 05:27.50 | delyan | cafuego: do you have docs on how to compile a single module? strangely enough, i've never done this. |
| 05:27.54 | loren | jack_create_thread: error 1 setting scheduler parameters after thread creation: Operation not permitted |
| 05:27.56 | loren | it stills gives me: |
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| 05:28.13 | blujay | loren: I'm not aware of being able to be "primarily" in one group |
| 05:28.20 | blujay | loren: maybe there's a jackd group...let me look... |
| 05:28.23 | smhar | whenever I click in the xbutton of the option window xchat itself exits!! |
| 05:28.29 | loren | blujay: thank you |
| 05:28.53 | eduardo_ | blujay, how do i use display-alternatives to enable GUI interface/ |
| 05:28.54 | cafuego | delyan: Why don't you just use the precompiled 2.6.10 kernel? |
| 05:29.13 | eduardo_ | thanks for your help, of course. I am a littlelost with debian specific stuff as I come from Fedora |
| 05:29.38 | blujay | loren: I don't see a jackd group, just audio...have you checked in /usr/share/doc/jack*, or man jackd? |
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| 05:29.56 | delyan | cafuego: because there are customizations that i dont want to get rid of... |
| 05:30.04 | loren | blujay: i'll check right now |
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| 05:30.13 | blujay | eduardo_: run "update-alternatives --all" |
| 05:30.41 | eduardo_ | unknown uptio |
| 05:30.42 | eduardo_ | n |
| 05:30.52 | blujay | eduardo_: maybe that's not it, hold on... |
| 05:30.56 | cafuego | delyan: Then you best bet is to just rebuild the whole kernel-image deb. |
| 05:31.39 | delyan | cafuego: thanks. i guess i have to do this then.. thanks again |
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| 05:31.45 | eduardo_ | thanks blujay |
| 05:32.24 | loren | blujay: im not finding anything useful in the documentation unfortunatly |
| 05:32.49 | blujay | loren: I don't remember if I had that problem with JACK, sorry...check Google I guess, google for that exact error message and you'll probably find the fix |
| 05:33.16 | blujay | eduardo_: I'm trying to remember where you choose the interface... |
| 05:33.20 | loren | blujay: thanks for the help ;) i appreciate it, but yeah thanks :P |
| 05:33.37 | blujay | eduardo_: I *think* you have to dpkg-reconfigure something... |
| 05:33.49 | blujay | loren: no prob |
| 05:33.50 | eduardo_ | blujay - thanks. I am trying meanwhile to look for other X config utils |
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| 05:34.11 | blujay | aha |
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| 05:34.20 | blujay | yes |
| 05:34.24 | blujay | dpkg-reconfigure debconf |
| 05:35.11 | blujay | eduardo_: run that and choose the Gnome or KDE interface, or whatever you want |
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| 05:35.33 | simonrvn | i recommend the dialog frontend |
| 05:35.45 | blujay | simonrvn: is that the ncurses one? |
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| 05:37.21 | hoe | how to list all, even not configured network interfaces via default networking tools, i.e. not `ip` or /proc ? |
| 05:37.30 | blujay | ifconfig |
| 05:37.37 | blujay | I think taht will do what you wnat |
| 05:37.48 | blujay | or look in /etc/network/interfaces |
| 05:38.01 | hoe | blujay: I heard about a param too, but can't remember and the manpage says nothing |
| 05:38.11 | blujay | hoe have you just run "ifconfig"? |
| 05:38.13 | shingouz | ifconfig -a |
| 05:38.20 | smhar__ | my freenode nickname is hijacked |
| 05:38.21 | myren | how do i turn essid broadcast mode off? |
| 05:38.27 | benjamindees | what shingouz said |
| 05:38.33 | hoe | shingouz: that's it, ty |
| 05:38.37 | blujay | myren: that's for your access point, look in its control panel |
| 05:38.43 | eduardo_ | blujay-installing gnome now ;-) |
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| 05:38.56 | blujay | eduardo_: what do you mean...? |
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| 05:39.24 | eduardo_ | THe only gui option in -reconfigure is Gnome... SO i apparnetly need Gnome to use it |
| 05:39.25 | adexta | what package can i use to apt-get rar? |
| 05:39.33 | blujay | eduardo_: er... |
| 05:39.41 | blujay | eduardo_: what are you running now, KDE? |
| 05:39.44 | smhar__ | testing |
| 05:39.50 | Opiated | apt-get install rar unrar zip unzip |
| 05:39.54 | blujay | adexta: apt-cache search rar? |
| 05:39.57 | Opiated | those are useful ones to have around |
| 05:39.59 | cafuego | adexta: you need non-free. |
| 05:40.00 | hoe | blujay: `ifconfig` show you only currently ocnfigured ones, /etc/network/interfaces only the ones beeing configured at booting :) |
| 05:40.10 | blujay | hoe: ah I see |
| 05:40.43 | adexta | apt-get install non-free? |
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| 05:40.51 | blujay | adexta: add non-free to your apt sources |
| 05:41.02 | eduardo_ | blujay - i didnt have either kde nor gnome just twm ;-) |
| 05:41.07 | blujay | eduardo_: ah I see |
| 05:41.17 | blujay | eduardo_: careful that gnome doesn't get set as your default X session then |
| 05:41.47 | cafuego | Or just use 'dialog' |
| 05:41.47 | blujay | eduardo_: good luck man, I'm logging off for now |
| 05:41.50 | shingouz | eduardo_: what ist he problem you are trying to fix by installing gnome? |
| 05:41.52 | cafuego | oh my god |
| 05:42.04 | adexta | how would that be done? |
| 05:42.04 | eduardo_ | thanks bluejay. nite |
| 05:42.21 | adexta | apt-config something? |
| 05:42.22 | blujay | adexta: /etc/apt/sources.list add "non-free" after "main contrib" |
| 05:42.22 | _joey | I compiled vmware modules myself in /root/vmware dir, I can I transfer the modules in /lib/modules and keep them there? |
| 05:42.23 | shingouz | adexta: man sources.list |
| 05:42.52 | eduardo_ | shingouz-well thats an awkward way of putting it. I am trying to confugre X... As soon as I have an X config file, it doesnt startup because it cant find a screen. w/o a config it starts up but looks like crap obviously |
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| 05:43.42 | shingouz | eduardo_: did you happen to check the log X writes to /var/log? you should see something helpful there |
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| 05:44.09 | eduardo_ | shingouz - i see on the consore that no devices found is the prob |
| 05:44.19 | eduardo_ | console |
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| 05:44.24 | shingouz | !tell eduardo_ about no screens found |
| 05:44.24 | PoolPool | hello guys |
| 05:44.38 | PoolPool | how do i save my iptable rules |
| 05:44.46 | shingouz | eduardo_: installing gnome sure as hell does not cure anything like that |
| 05:44.47 | PoolPool | how do i save my iptable rules? |
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| 05:45.27 | leopold | i have a question plzzzz |
| 05:45.39 | cafuego | !ask-to-ask |
| 05:45.40 | dpkg | ask-to-ask is, like, Don't ask to ask...just ask. The Ask-To-Ask Protocol v 1.0 wastes more bandwidth than any version of the Ask Protocol |
| 05:46.08 | leopold | about php version on debian3.0r2 |
| 05:46.18 | cafuego | leopold: What is the question? |
| 05:46.40 | leopold | is there the gd2 module with php? |
| 05:46.47 | leopold | on this version? |
| 05:46.57 | Arafangion | Hmm, so Ask-to-ask was the first *accepted* version, since it's version 1? :) |
| 05:47.10 | cafuego | leopold: yes. 'apt-get install php4-gd2' |
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| 05:47.26 | cafuego | leopold: (it is in a separate package, not in the php4 package) |
| 05:47.58 | adexta | apt-get remove ask-to-ask |
| 05:48.18 | shingouz | --purge ;) |
| 05:48.21 | leopold | what is the name of this version 3.0r2, is it woody, or sarge? |
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| 05:48.27 | Arafangion | Not to forget about --force |
| 05:48.30 | shingouz | woody |
| 05:48.35 | cafuego | leopold: Debian 3.0 is woody. |
| 05:49.27 | felipe__ | hello faw |
| 05:49.27 | felipe__ | same name user :) |
| 05:49.50 | faw | felipe__, yeah... |
| 05:49.59 | _joey | does anyone know in which dir I have to place vmware modules vmmon and vmnet so that they get loaded from during boot once I have configurations in /etc/modules ? |
| 05:50.00 | faw | felipe__, and considering your IP address you are also from Brazil :) |
| 05:50.19 | cafuego | _joey: SOmewhere under /lib/modules/$(uname -r) |
| 05:50.31 | _joey | in the top dir / |
| 05:50.43 | cafuego | _joey: No, plonk them in kernel/vmware or soemthing |
| 05:51.24 | Zorton | how do I get a wider display of dpkg? like with dpkg -l? I want to see the whole package name |
| 05:51.38 | cafuego | Zorton: COLUMNS=200 dpkg -l |
| 05:51.40 | leopold | because i would like to take a linux server (www.serverpronto.com), and i have already 2 web sites who use gd2 module. if i take a woody server, will they work easely on it? |
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| 05:52.15 | cafuego | leopold: Yes. Mind you, in theory that code should also work with php4-gd |
| 05:52.41 | leopold | apt_get install php-gd2....that s all |
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| 05:52.55 | Zorton | cafuego: w0rd |
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| 05:53.01 | leopold | no it doesn t work with gd |
| 05:53.03 | Zorton | thanks |
| 05:53.13 | leopold | only gd2 |
| 05:53.20 | leopold | =( |
| 05:53.24 | cafuego | leopold: Yes. just check /etc/php4/apache/php.ini and make sure the gd2 module is loaded. |
| 05:53.39 | cafuego | Oh, i think it's /etc/php4/php.ini on woody. |
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| 05:55.35 | cafuego | leopold: After install, there should be a line saying "extension=gd2.so" in your /etc/php4/apache/php.ini |
| 05:55.58 | leopold | oki thanks a lot |
| 05:56.25 | celia | hi to everybody--- I have a problem: I can't use a trivial (local) repository, although I've followed the exact instructions on "Deb Repository Howto"... can you help me? |
| 05:56.38 | Arafangion | What is gd2, btw? |
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| 05:57.08 | celia | using aptitude as front-end, it simple ignores my local repository |
| 05:57.11 | chealer | !tell Arafangion about gd |
| 05:57.16 | cafuego | Arafangion: GD is a graphics library. It allows your code to quickly draw images complete with lines, arcs, text, multiple colours, cut and paste from other images, flood fills, and write out the result as a PNG file. |
| 05:57.22 | Arafangion | Nice. |
| 05:57.28 | cafuego | Yes, it is. |
| 05:57.37 | smhar | now that debian is installed I needt to spend some time reading about the basic operations |
| 05:57.44 | cafuego | In combination with php and mysql it's a neat way of generating dynamic images. |
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| 06:00.15 | delyan | cafuego: thanks again .. ;-) |
| 06:00.28 | cafuego | delyan: Sound working now? |
| 06:00.48 | delyan | cafuego: not yet, the kernel is still crunching.. |
| 06:00.52 | cafuego | <heh> |
| 06:00.54 | SiliconViper | If I install a new version of gcc, say... 3.4.3, how do I make that the default? |
| 06:01.00 | cafuego | What cpu does that machine have? |
| 06:01.13 | cafuego | SiliconViper: CC=gcc-3.4 make |
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| 06:01.20 | delyan | cafuego: i will let you know how it goes.. |
| 06:01.39 | Paganist | Do anyone know an x86 emulator that can boot from PXE or bootp ? |
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| 06:03.51 | SiliconViper | cafuego, I meant as default, not just for that make. Figured it out, though. |
| 06:04.26 | SiliconViper | /usr/bin/gcc is a symlink to /usr/bin/gcc-3.3, I simply updated it to point to /usr/bin/gcc-3.4 |
| 06:04.38 | SiliconViper | Now, to test this... |
| 06:04.40 | cafuego | SiliconViper: Any reason? |
| 06:04.42 | peterS | SiliconViper: easier to just do 'ln -s /usr/bin/gcc-3.4 /usr/local/bin/gcc' |
| 06:04.49 | peterS | SiliconViper: since /usr/local/bin is earlier in the path by default |
| 06:04.59 | peterS | SiliconViper: that way package updates won't affect your symlink |
| 06:05.08 | SiliconViper | True... |
| 06:05.15 | SiliconViper | cafuego, any reason for what? |
| 06:05.16 | peterS | hello, cafuego |
| 06:05.22 | SiliconViper | Setting it to default? |
| 06:05.25 | cafuego | SiliconViper: using gcc 3.4 over 3.3 |
| 06:05.51 | SiliconViper | Just thought I'd try something new. |
| 06:05.59 | SiliconViper | s/new/different/ |
| 06:06.05 | peterS | much the same effect can be had by setting the environment variable $CC to gcc-3.4 |
| 06:06.07 | benjamindees | Paganist, all the emulators I know of require an OS to run on |
| 06:06.10 | peterS | most 'configure' scripts will honor that |
| 06:06.30 | cafuego | notable exception being the kernel. And for a good reason. |
| 06:06.33 | Paganist | benjamindees: even bochs ? |
| 06:06.48 | peterS | btw, if you use the symlink thing, don't forget /usr/local/bin/cc to match /usr/local/bin/gcc |
| 06:06.56 | peterS | a lot of packages just use CC=cc |
| 06:07.18 | karsten | Paganist: Not AFAIK. |
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| 06:07.40 | benjamindees | Paganist, yes, but why would you need to circumvent a host OS? |
| 06:07.52 | karsten | Paganist: why don't you explain what you're trying to do. I can think of a few alternatives. |
| 06:08.21 | karsten | Paganist: Note too that BOOTP is different from PXE, markedly. |
| 06:08.34 | Paganist | it's ok, i just found out, i'll boot a floppy from etherboot |
| 06:08.36 | Paganist | thanks |
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| 06:08.49 | Paganist | i know it's different |
| 06:08.53 | Paganist | thank you guys |
| 06:08.58 | peterS | heh. 'markedly' is one way of putting it |
| 06:09.08 | karsten | Paganist: Trying to trial LTSP in emulo? |
| 06:09.13 | karsten | peterS: Quite. |
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| 06:09.44 | benjamindees | trying to run windows from ltsp sounds like |
| 06:09.50 | karsten | benjamindees: Heh. |
| 06:09.59 | benjamindees | karsten, heh is an understatement |
| 06:10.01 | peterS | karsten: do you know how long PXE has been around? I've got an IBM Pentium 133 sitting around that claims to support netboot but I can't get it to do PXE |
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| 06:10.42 | karsten | peterS: NFC. It's one of those things that's talked about a lot but not done much. |
| 06:10.50 | peterS | yeah |
| 06:10.58 | cafuego | meeh |
| 06:11.17 | karsten | peterS: I think it's a late 1990s thing, not sure of that. I think I saw boxes with wake-on-lan *way* before that which AFAIK is totally different. |
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| 06:11.25 | karsten | cafuego: Scary how? Killing 'em before they join? |
| 06:11.30 | peterS | yeah, wake-on-lan has no resemblance to PXE |
| 06:11.39 | cafuego | karsten: kernel 2.6.12-rc2-mm2 |
| 06:11.53 | cafuego | karsten: Stopped before it has finished compiling acsreenful of stuff though |
| 06:12.04 | cafuego | karsten: if that happens, I'll see you on #shell |
| 06:12.29 | karsten | cafuego: Meh. |
| 06:12.43 | karsten | 2.6.12-rc-really-we-think-its-ready |
| 06:12.55 | karsten | 2.6.12-rc-ok-we-mean-it-this-time |
| 06:13.03 | karsten | 2.6.12-not-nearly-stable |
| 06:13.14 | karsten | 2.6.12-what-are-you-smoking |
| 06:13.18 | cafuego | woo, we got through x86_64/kernel/ |
| 06:13.22 | karsten | 2.6.12-run-screaming |
| 06:13.28 | shingouz | and 2.6.12-wtf ? |
| 06:13.30 | karsten | It would make things *so* much easier. |
| 06:13.37 | cafuego | karsten: 2.6.12-badger-badger-badger |
| 06:13.45 | peterS | oh dear |
| 06:13.53 | karsten | Heh. |
| 06:14.15 | cafuego | sussudio would volunteer to become a kernel developer I reckon |
| 06:14.33 | peterS | he just might |
| 06:14.44 | shingouz | heh. in that case it might be 2.6.12-soviet-russia ;) |
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| 06:14.59 | cafuego | in soviet russia, kernels develop you |
| 06:15.06 | karsten | 2.6.12-in-korea-only-old-people-run-me |
| 06:15.07 | shingouz | somethng like that yes |
| 06:15.29 | cafuego | karsten: Did Guerin verify that or are you making it up? ;-) |
| 06:16.17 | karsten | cafuego: Well... |
| 06:16.54 | karsten | cafuego: ...I just got 152 emails telling me this was true, all from AS 4766. |
| 06:17.27 | cafuego | karsten: oh shit, that was meant for helix |
| 06:17.51 | cafuego | The linker doesn't like 2.6.12-rc2 |
| 06:18.41 | karsten | cafuego: Um. OK. |
| 06:18.41 | aardvark | in soviet russia, kernel maintains you |
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| 06:24.49 | eduardo3 | Folks I have one last question for the night. What is the piece of software that provides you a taskbar and desktop icons, etc. Not window manager. |
| 06:25.23 | Arafangion | The collection of programs is referred to as a Desktop Environment, I think. |
| 06:25.42 | peterS | eduardo3: sometimes that *is* the window manager, handled as plugins. with fvwm this is the case. |
| 06:26.22 | eduardo3 | Arafangion: Well I am trying not to have the entire kde/gnome installed... |
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| 06:26.39 | eduardo3 | peter, I kinda hate fvwm... any other candidates? |
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| 06:26.45 | Arafangion | eduardo3, Some people like XFCE as a 'light' desktop. |
| 06:26.53 | eduardo3 | thanks |
| 06:26.56 | Arafangion | eduardo3, But I'm not sure if that has icons. |
| 06:27.01 | benjamindees | icewm |
| 06:27.03 | eduardo3 | i can live w/o icons ;-) |
| 06:27.10 | Arafangion | eduardo3, Could also try icewm + rox filer + rox-desktop |
| 06:27.19 | marinos | fluxbox |
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| 06:27.48 | marinos | and the rest blackbox family is light |
| 06:27.52 | Arafangion | marinos, Please read the problem specification rather than spewing useless answers. |
| 06:28.21 | eduardo3 | thanks guys :) |
| 06:28.24 | marinos | right sorry |
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| 06:28.48 | smhar | I was reading some of the documentation in debian.org and read that mplayer cannot be packaged for debian due to patent issues.. is this true.. so the only option is to compile from source? |
| 06:29.04 | chealer | !tell smhar about marillat |
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| 06:30.31 | smhar | thanks chealer |
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| 06:33.33 | mDuff | How do I define routes to be created on interface bringup? |
| 06:33.45 | poli | mDuff, man interfaces |
| 06:34.03 | poli | mDuff, hint: put a up line in /etc/network/interfaces |
| 06:34.13 | smhar | omg. the list of requestedd dibian packages is very long and some packages were requested more than 3 years ago!!! |
| 06:35.05 | nevyn | wnpp? |
| 06:35.11 | polok | how do I display my dns cache? |
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| 06:35.38 | nevyn | display. |
| 06:35.40 | nevyn | why? |
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| 06:37.22 | mrwill | how can I cause receiving an email to a certain address trigger the running of a script to process said email? |
| 06:37.38 | poli | mrwill, sure. try man forward |
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| 06:38.10 | poli | mrwill, no, man forward won't do it... man exim probably if you run exim |
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| 06:38.34 | polok | nevyn: an associate is writing an faq on dns and such |
| 06:38.34 | mrwill | poli: running postfix, unfortunately can't change just for this. |
| 06:38.42 | bucky | mrwill, what do you want to do.. post a jpg to your webserver? |
| 06:39.04 | mrwill | poli: you've triggered a memory that I can put '| scriptname' in a .forward file, I think. |
| 06:39.27 | poli | mrwill, exactly! very good! |
| 06:39.44 | takatumi | hmm, azureus is nice. |
| 06:39.50 | poli | mrwill, but it depends on where your mailer looks for the .forward file. |
| 06:39.53 | mrwill | bucky: it's silly -- I want to send an url in the subject line, then have a script generate an html mail with the content of the url... anyhow, think I've figured the last bit out. |
| 06:40.01 | poli | mrwill, usually it's in the home dir of the user, but not necessarily. |
| 06:40.17 | mrwill | poli: I'll have to look into that, probably somewhere in the postfix docs. |
| 06:40.36 | poli | mrwill, look for forward inside the documentation, should be easy. |
| 06:41.02 | nevyn | polok: you can query the cache with tools like dig and host. |
| 06:41.14 | nevyn | but I don't know that you can dump the entire contents of the running bind. |
| 06:41.36 | polok | nevyn: thanks :D |
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| 06:41.57 | Adr | how do i register my nickname |
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| 06:42.20 | Adr | does anyone know how i take a screenshot |
| 06:42.25 | Adr | on debian sarge |
| 06:42.31 | chealer | Adr: /msg nickserv help |
| 06:42.31 | poli | polok, try (I am GUESSING) /var/cache/bind |
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| 06:42.34 | Adr | i want to send a screenshot of linux to my friend |
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| 06:42.37 | helix | oops |
| 06:42.43 | poli | Adr, Yes, use gimp. :) |
| 06:42.53 | Adr | gimp? |
| 06:42.54 | daffy-pkf | lo |
| 06:43.00 | Adr | i installed sarge today |
| 06:43.04 | poli | Adr, acquire->Screen. ;) There are plenty of others, that's how I do it. |
| 06:43.36 | Adr | i type "acquire->screen"? |
| 06:43.37 | poli | Adr, Gimp is a graphics manipulation package, very powerful, in the Photoshop style. |
| 06:43.45 | poli | Adr, No, you type gimp |
| 06:43.57 | Adr | are u teasing me |
| 06:44.06 | shingouz | Adr: man import |
| 06:44.07 | inu | adr, import |
| 06:44.14 | Adr | just type import in shell? |
| 06:44.15 | poli | Adr, hum am I? |
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| 06:44.31 | shingouz | Adr: read the man page first |
| 06:45.05 | poli | Adr, I still recommend gimp. ;) |
| 06:45.21 | Adr | i got no idea what you guys are on about |
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| 06:45.37 | poli | Adr, Okay they are about typing man import in a console |
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| 06:45.49 | shingouz | Adr: man import in a consolr |
| 06:45.51 | takatumi | Adr: try scrot |
| 06:45.54 | shingouz | console evern |
| 06:45.57 | cahoot | Adr: need imagemagick to get 'import' |
| 06:46.01 | Adr | man import, no manual entry for import |
| 06:46.12 | Adr | scrot: command not found |
| 06:46.13 | poli | Adr, Now try gimp in a console. |
| 06:46.19 | chealer | adr: do you use a desktop environment? |
| 06:46.21 | takatumi | Adr: install it. |
| 06:46.26 | Adr | yes i do |
| 06:46.29 | Adr | chealer |
| 06:46.38 | Adr | kde |
| 06:46.56 | poli | Adr, did gimp give you any positive feedback? |
| 06:47.01 | chealer | Adr: you can use ksnapshot |
| 06:47.04 | shingouz | Adr: to get the import, apt-get install imagemagick |
| 06:47.15 | chealer | adr: but make sure to check gimp anyway |
| 06:47.34 | shingouz | the gimp is good. bit big but good |
| 06:48.37 | Adr | pl |
| 06:48.40 | Adr | ok |
| 06:48.54 | Adr | This may mean that the package is missing, has been obsoleted, or |
| 06:48.54 | Adr | is only available from another source |
| 06:48.54 | Adr | E: Package imagemagick has no installation candidate |
| 06:49.07 | shingouz | apt-get update |
| 06:49.11 | Adr | thats the same error message i get with synaptic |
| 06:49.29 | Adr | ok i did the apt-get update |
| 06:49.31 | Adr | no errors |
| 06:49.39 | chealer | adr: how did you install debian? |
| 06:49.43 | Adr | cd |
| 06:49.44 | Adr | full cd image |
| 06:49.50 | takatumi | Adr: apt-setup |
| 06:49.51 | valdyn | !why is imagemagick not in testing |
| 06:49.53 | dpkg | imagemagick is not in testing for the reasons listed in http://bjorn.haxx.se/debian/testing.pl?package=imagemagick |
| 06:50.02 | Adr | ooo |
| 06:50.05 | Adr | what about synaptic |
| 06:50.20 | takatumi | Adr: what do you have in /etc/apt/sources.list? |
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| 06:50.27 | Adr | ok let me check |
| 06:50.35 | chealer | adr: did you try apt-setup? |
| 06:50.43 | shingouz | i never knew imagemagick is not in testing. maybe that is because i do not run testing |
| 06:50.58 | valdyn | it is in testing, i just use that to check |
| 06:51.00 | Adr | #deb file:///cdrom/ sarge main |
| 06:51.01 | Adr | deb cdrom:[Debian GNU/Linux testing Sarge - Official Snapshot i386 Binary-1 (20050323)]/ unstable contrib main |
| 06:51.01 | Adr | deb http://security.debian.org/ testing/updates main contrib |
| 06:51.04 | Adr | sry if thats spam |
| 06:51.07 | Adr | considered* |
| 06:51.08 | liable | its in apt-cache on my machine |
| 06:51.13 | cahoot | shingouz: solidly there on my sarge |
| 06:51.21 | takatumi | Adr: yes, run apt-setup |
| 06:51.25 | Adr | ok thx |
| 06:51.34 | jerrymcfarts | Adr, you smell |
| 06:51.38 | shingouz | cahoot: ah. i would not know, i have been running sid for some time |
| 06:51.44 | Adr | archive access method for apt: |
| 06:51.46 | Adr | what do i choose |
| 06:51.54 | Adr | cdrom, http, ftp |
| 06:52.01 | Adr | filesystem, edit sources |
| 06:52.08 | Adr | edit sources list by hand* |
| 06:52.15 | shingouz | Adr: if the box is on the internet, http |
| 06:52.21 | takatumi | !faq Adr |
| 06:52.22 | dpkg | Adr: http://www.linuks.mine.nu/debian-faq-wiki/ |
| 06:52.24 | smhar | anybody running kde3.4 |
| 06:52.30 | Adr | ok http |
| 06:52.35 | chealer | smhar: some people in #debian-kde |
| 06:52.42 | valdyn | !anyone use |
| 06:52.42 | dpkg | No, no one uses it, not even the people who use it. |
| 06:52.58 | Adr | woot its installing |
| 06:54.10 | Adr | oh and how do i mount a fat32 partition, i made one so that i could share files between windows and debian |
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| 06:54.59 | starscalling | heh |
| 06:55.04 | starscalling | im in debian |
| 06:55.09 | chealer | !fat32 |
| 06:55.09 | dpkg | modprobe vfat ; mount -t vfat /dev/whatever /wherever |
| 06:55.12 | starscalling | and i have no clue |
| 06:55.14 | starscalling | lol |
| 06:55.15 | Adr | !fat32 |
| 06:55.16 | starscalling | nice |
| 06:55.21 | valdyn | Adr: /msg dpkg vfatrw |
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| 06:55.22 | starscalling | ok |
| 06:55.23 | starscalling | big |
| 06:55.23 | peterS | Adr: add the following to /etc/fstab: /dev/hda6 /media/fathd vfat defaults 0 2 |
| 06:55.29 | peterS | Adr: then mkdir /media/fathd |
| 06:55.31 | Adr | thanks |
| 06:55.32 | peterS | Adr: then 'mount -a |
| 06:55.37 | takatumi | !tell starscalling -about enter |
| 06:55.47 | Adr | will that mount the partition every time i open linux |
| 06:55.48 | starscalling | crap wrong room sorry |
| 06:55.50 | peterS | Adr: of course, /dev/hda6 and /media/fathd should be whatever you want |
| 06:55.53 | Adr | or do i have to manually type that in |
| 06:56.05 | peterS | Adr: yeah, by adding it to /etc/fstab it'll mount at boot time |
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| 06:57.23 | Adr | peterS it says i dont have write access |
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| 06:58.00 | C17H21NO4 | How do I reconfigure exim? dpkg-reconfigure exim4 does nothing. |
| 06:58.05 | Adr | i know my root password |
| 06:58.07 | peterS | Adr: perhaps change 'defaults' to 'dmask=0,fmask=0111' |
| 06:58.16 | chealer | C17H21NO4: dpkg-reconfigure exim4-config |
| 06:58.17 | valdyn | !tell Adr about vfatrw |
| 06:58.18 | peterS | Adr: and then 'umount /whatever; mount /whatever' |
| 06:58.23 | C17H21NO4 | chealer: Thanks |
| 06:58.49 | Adr | i dont have write access |
| 06:59.20 | Adr | i must seem very noob |
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| 07:00.10 | valdyn | Adr: no, you need to specify a umask and/or a gid/uid to have write access as user ( or what peterS said ) |
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| 07:00.56 | Adr | no i meant that when i tried to save over the fstab |
| 07:01.02 | Adr | it didnt let me because i dont have write access |
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| 07:01.13 | valdyn | Adr: edit it as root |
| 07:01.14 | chealer | adr: are you root? |
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| 07:01.31 | Adr | no |
| 07:01.45 | Adr | the desktop environment wouldnt let me login as root |
| 07:02.03 | Adr | so i changed to the console bit using ctrl+alt+f2 |
| 07:02.14 | Adr | and i tpyed in my root password, i typed startx |
| 07:02.19 | Adr | and then it gave me some error |
| 07:02.34 | Adr | so i had to restart and not login as root |
| 07:02.34 | valdyn | Adr: which editor are you using? |
| 07:03.04 | Adr | kwrite |
| 07:03.08 | chealer | adr: you need to be root to edit something under /etc (maybe with few exceptions) |
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| 07:03.22 | chealer | adr: type su in konsole to get root |
| 07:03.30 | liable | Adr: kde menu > sytem > more programs > file-manager super user will give you a root window |
| 07:03.33 | valdyn | Adr: apt-get install sux, use sux to become root in your desktop-environment, then start kwrite |
| 07:03.37 | chealer | then type nano /etc/fstab |
| 07:03.50 | Adr | ok chealer |
| 07:04.00 | Adr | ok im in |
| 07:04.04 | valdyn | Adr: or what liable said, theres an endless number of solutions |
| 07:04.05 | chealer | all what the others propose is fine too |
| 07:04.20 | Adr | ok i'll do what liable said |
| 07:04.32 | valdyn | Adr: just do not ever start X as root |
| 07:04.41 | Adr | why? |
| 07:04.44 | Adr | is it bad? |
| 07:05.02 | valdyn | Adr: running more as root than really needed is always bad |
| 07:05.41 | Adr | ok |
| 07:05.42 | chealer | adr: you may want to read TLDP's introduction to linux once you're started |
| 07:06.01 | Adr | will do once i can get fstab to allow me to write |
| 07:06.11 | Adr | i tried what liable said |
| 07:06.23 | chealer | adr: it takes some time though :) |
| 07:06.24 | Adr | it prompted me for a password, i entered it and now i still cant save fstab |
| 07:06.38 | Adr | yeh im thinking of buying debian gnu/linux 3.1 bible |
| 07:06.41 | Adr | to read |
| 07:06.50 | valdyn | Adr: you need to open fstab from that root shell / root filemanager |
| 07:06.57 | pureone | all you need is the man pages ;) |
| 07:07.02 | valdyn | Adr: close the window where you cannot write fstab |
| 07:07.07 | Adr | ok valdyn |
| 07:07.18 | Adr | i here man pages, what are they? |
| 07:07.20 | Adr | man = manual? |
| 07:07.25 | pureone | man man in konsole |
| 07:07.27 | pureone | yes |
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| 07:07.50 | valdyn | Adr: yea, but mangpages assume *some* knowledge already so they are not ideal to start with |
| 07:08.02 | Adr | o ok |
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| 07:08.13 | Adr | is that debian gnu/linux 3.1 bible a good book to start with? |
| 07:08.23 | Adr | yes i saved over fstab |
| 07:08.30 | liable | Adr: is that book out yet? |
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| 07:08.50 | shingouz | Adr: dalheimer et al, running linux; o'reilly is a good one too |
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| 07:08.52 | Adr | according to amazon and www.dymocks.com.au, yes |
| 07:09.10 | Adr | ok i'll search them up shingouz |
| 07:09.34 | Adr | hmmm the fat32 partition doesnt have the 32gb i allocated to it |
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| 07:10.04 | valdyn | Adr: which filesystem type did you specify in fstab? |
| 07:10.30 | Adr | <PROTECTED> |
| 07:10.30 | shingouz | Adr: the o'reilly book is a more generalized version, it is about linux, not debian. all tricks work on debian too of course but debian has a few tricks that other distros do not have so you might end up doing things the non-debian way |
| 07:10.43 | Adr | o |
| 07:10.46 | valdyn | Adr: thats the partition, which worse w/ "fat" in it? |
| 07:10.52 | Adr | i want to be debian all the way:P |
| 07:10.58 | valdyn | Adr: thats the partition, which *word* w/ "fat" in it? |
| 07:11.06 | Adr | vfat |
| 07:11.11 | Adr | u mean that? |
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| 07:11.22 | Adr | <PROTECTED> |
| 07:11.28 | valdyn | Adr: yea, its correct anyway |
| 07:11.55 | Adr | i right clicked on the folder /media/fat32 and clicked on properties |
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| 07:12.02 | Adr | and i didnt see the 32gb |
| 07:12.05 | valdyn | Adr: what does "df -h" say about it |
| 07:12.19 | chealer | adr: hehe, use the mount command instead |
| 07:12.22 | kevinz | is there any tool for downloading files in debian? such as nettransport in MSwin |
| 07:12.28 | Adr | whats that command? |
| 07:12.30 | Adr | df -h? |
| 07:12.33 | chealer | adr: I mean df -h |
| 07:12.38 | valdyn | Adr: try it |
| 07:12.45 | Adr | df -h in shell? |
| 07:12.51 | peterS | kevinz: lots of commands for downloading files. wget, mozilla, snarf, curl, ncftp...... |
| 07:12.53 | valdyn | Adr: yea |
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| 07:13.09 | Adr | debian:~# df -h |
| 07:13.09 | Adr | Filesystem Size Used Avail Use% Mounted on |
| 07:13.10 | peterS | kevinz: all of those except ncftp support both HTTP and FTP |
| 07:13.12 | Adr | /dev/hda3 17G 1.2G 15G 8% / |
| 07:13.12 | Adr | tmpfs 253M 0 253M 0% /dev/shm |
| 07:13.17 | valdyn | kevinz: describe more accurately what you demand of that tool |
| 07:13.21 | Adr | thats what i got |
| 07:13.34 | kevinz | peterS: yes but their functions are not enough for me |
| 07:13.52 | peterS | kevinz: as valdyn says, maybe you can outline your requirements. we are not too good at reading minds |
| 07:13.52 | valdyn | Adr: your vfat partition is not yet mounted |
| 07:13.59 | SiliconViper | So, what should I be looking for, if I want to extract single frames from an MPEG? |
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| 07:14.04 | Adr | bummer |
| 07:14.06 | kevinz | valdyn, i need it to auto reconnect when error occurs, and better split the file into several threads for downloading |
| 07:14.14 | valdyn | Adr: as root "mount /dev/hda2" |
| 07:14.19 | Adr | ok |
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| 07:14.26 | kevinz | peterS: i am sorry, i will be more detailed next time |
| 07:14.43 | Adr | [mntent]: warning: no final newline at the end of /etc/fstab |
| 07:14.54 | valdyn | kevinz: the 2nd is more than unpolite, to the internet and to the ftp server owner, the 2nd can be done by wget |
| 07:15.01 | valdyn | kevinz: the 2nd is more than unpolite, to the internet and to the ftp server owner, the 1st can be done by wget |
| 07:15.22 | Adr | mount: /dev/hda2 already mounted or /media/fat32 busy |
| 07:15.22 | Adr | mount: according to mtab, /dev/hda2 is already mounted on /media/fat32 |
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| 07:15.26 | Adr | ok i closed the fstab file |
| 07:15.29 | Adr | and retyped it |
| 07:15.30 | kevinz | oh i see |
| 07:15.42 | kevinz | i know... ok i will never try the 2nd |
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| 07:15.51 | raf256 | quick programming question, in C - how can I write a function that will display like "warning, signal number XXX recived!"? |
| 07:16.08 | Adr | woot |
| 07:16.11 | Adr | i got the 32gb :P |
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| 07:16.25 | valdyn | Adr: df -h should display that now too |
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| 07:16.31 | peterS | kevinz: if you want to split a file into multiple pieces for downloading simultaneously, the logical method is bittorrent, since that protocol was designed for this purpose. there are several bittorrent clients in Linux - see 'apt-cache search bittorrent client' |
| 07:16.43 | Adr | <PROTECTED> |
| 07:16.56 | valdyn | kevinz: "gwget2" does it too, w/ a gtk2 gui |
| 07:17.01 | Adr | how do i allow myself, not root, to write on the partition |
| 07:17.06 | LinuxNIT-- | how do youenable X tunneling through ssh? |
| 07:17.06 | Adr | it was set to default |
| 07:17.33 | ozzloy | LinuxNIT--, use -X |
| 07:17.34 | kevinz | oh, ok |
| 07:17.42 | kevinz | thank you! |
| 07:17.49 | peterS | LinuxNIT--: also, make sure to install 'xbase-clients' on *both* ends of the ssh connection |
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| 07:18.02 | ozzloy | LinuxNIT--, if that doesn't work, try -Y |
| 07:18.02 | peterS | LinuxNIT--: and enable X forwarding in the /etc/ssh/sshd_config file on the server |
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| 07:18.14 | LinuxNIT-- | ok |
| 07:18.18 | LinuxNIT-- | anyhting else |
| 07:18.23 | valdyn | Adr: do you want everyone to write and read from that partition? |
| 07:19.00 | ozzloy | i can think of nothing, sounds like peterS knows more than i on the subject, LinuxNIT-- |
| 07:19.26 | Adr | yes |
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| 07:20.44 | valdyn | Adr: after default add, separated by komma ( "," ), umask=000 |
| 07:20.59 | Adr | ok |
| 07:21.24 | smhar | I am trying skype.. installation was a breeze but why in heaven does it need 6 characters fo a name!!!! |
| 07:21.24 | shingouz | no space, just "default,umask=000" |
| 07:21.31 | Adr | yep ok |
| 07:21.50 | Adr | i got a problem |
| 07:22.01 | Adr | my umask line takes up so much space that my 0 0 at the end arent lined up |
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| 07:22.09 | Adr | with the other partitions above it |
| 07:22.11 | shingouz | smhar: maybe because it is proprietary and they want to look like they are secure? |
| 07:22.12 | valdyn | Adr: thats not a problem |
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| 07:22.17 | Adr | o ok |
| 07:22.20 | takatumi | is this rate optimal over a wifi 11b card? 626.0KB/s |
| 07:22.36 | shingouz | takatumi: at least it is pretty close |
| 07:22.38 | valdyn | Adr: this need to be seperated by whitespace ( tab or space ), thats all |
| 07:22.56 | LinuxNIT-- | well i did all that and i still cant open a program |
| 07:22.58 | smhar | shingouz, the password minimum is 4 (FOUR) charcters.. secure?! |
| 07:23.17 | shingouz | smhar: they want to *look* like they are secure :) |
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| 07:23.25 | Adr | access still denied |
| 07:23.38 | liable | Adr: you have to remount it |
| 07:23.41 | valdyn | Adr: unmount it, mount it |
| 07:23.51 | Adr | how do i unmount and mount? |
| 07:24.09 | valdyn | Adr: unmount /dev/hda2 , mount /dev/hda2 |
| 07:24.11 | Adr | dw i think i found out |
| 07:24.15 | valdyn | Adr: umount /dev/hda2 , mount /dev/hda2 |
| 07:24.15 | Adr | unmount doesnt work |
| 07:24.17 | Adr | is it umount? |
| 07:24.18 | Adr | ok |
| 07:24.22 | shingouz | umount |
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| 07:24.45 | smhar | shingouz, this makes my life complicated I don't have a 6 character name or nickname and I like my smhar nickname (5) and my real name is 5 characters as well.. this will take more time than I thought :-) |
| 07:24.46 | Adr | [mntent]: warning: no final newline at the end of /etc/fstab |
| 07:24.52 | Adr | i get that error, is that a problem? |
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| 07:25.06 | Adr | but i think i got write access now |
| 07:25.10 | valdyn | Adr: its a warning |
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| 07:25.21 | shingouz | smhar: just fake it man. something like uhh... l337syst3ml0rd or somethign ;) |
| 07:25.26 | Adr | is it a big problem? |
| 07:25.28 | valdyn | Adr: add a newline to have a final newline at the end, warning != error however |
| 07:25.29 | Adr | or can i just leave it alone |
| 07:25.43 | liable | Adr: open the file again and go to the end of the last line and hit enter a couple of times |
| 07:25.44 | Adr | ok |
| 07:26.24 | valdyn | Adr: it *may* be an error for some tools that manipulate fstab, but so far it is not a problem. |
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| 07:26.56 | Adr | problem fixed woot |
| 07:27.00 | Adr | thanks a lot guys |
| 07:27.04 | shingouz | :) |
| 07:27.12 | smhar | shingouz, and then I will discover that someone has already used it the program will suggest l337syst3ml0rd76 or something :-) |
| 07:27.27 | Adr | wish i could be as good on linux as u guys |
| 07:27.29 | shingouz | smhar: there is something to that too of course |
| 07:28.48 | Adr | i got another question, im not sure if im suppose to ask this on #debian-kde though. When i go to the control center, and then to peripherals->display. I try to change my resolution to 1024x768 from 800x600 but i only have two options, 800x600 and the lower resolution |
| 07:29.09 | smhar | shingouz, it reminds me of the old days of hotmail (pre microsoft) when I got my first email.. oh it took me too long |
| 07:29.11 | shingouz | smhar: of course you could try the Complete Doofus appriach and make it surname.firstname :p |
| 07:29.18 | valdyn | !drxx Adr |
| 07:29.19 | dpkg | Adr: dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xfree86 (as root) |
| 07:29.23 | Adr | ok |
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| 07:29.49 | shingouz | approach even. dang i need some sleep i guess |
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| 07:31.34 | starscalling | goes to bed |
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| 07:31.43 | simonrvn | peterS: what string do you set to set the syntax highlighting for an Xresources file in emacs? -*- XXXXXXX -*- ? |
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| 07:31.59 | Mardus | Hi. |
| 07:32.06 | peterS | simonrvn: I have no idea if X resources files have an emacs mode |
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| 07:32.38 | simonrvn | hrm, ok |
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| 07:33.04 | sanmarcos | in apache 2, were should I put the LoadModule /usr/lib/apache2/modules/mod_rewrite.so ?, Since mpm-prefork includes it, but not enabled by default |
| 07:33.32 | valdyn | sanmarcos: look at /etc/apache2/mods-enabled/ |
| 07:33.34 | peterS | simonrvn: first glance at google "X resources" "emacs major mode" doesn't look too promising |
| 07:33.48 | simonrvn | ok |
| 07:33.57 | valdyn | sanmarcos: compare it to /etc/apache2/mods-available/ also |
| 07:34.10 | sanmarcos | valdyn: yeah, but mod_rewrite inst in available |
| 07:34.23 | sanmarcos | valdyn: ahh nevermind |
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| 07:35.21 | starscalling | minimises irc for reals this time ;) |
| 07:35.31 | Unfrgiven | hey all. my keyboard repeat rate is really slow to my debian box via ssh. any ideas on how to speed it up? |
| 07:36.25 | peterS | Unfrgiven: ssh itself doesn't have a 'keyboard repeat rate', nor does the sshd at the other end. so it's a local problem, or a bandwidth problem |
| 07:36.46 | simonrvn | if it's a crappy link there's nothing you can do except maybe QoS to lessen the lag |
| 07:36.56 | Unfrgiven | peterS: ok so its a local problem. can't be a bandwidth problem since its over a 100MB local network |
| 07:37.17 | peterS | Unfrgiven: do you have the same slow repeat rate in the terminal you launch ssh from? |
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| 07:37.32 | Commodore4eva | #ubuntu == lamest channel about linux ever |
| 07:37.39 | Unfrgiven | well im sshing into the debian box from windows |
| 07:37.42 | peterS | Commodore4eva: you're including ##linux? |
| 07:37.56 | Unfrgiven | peterS: and the repeat rate in windows is fine |
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| 07:38.05 | peterS | Unfrgiven: using a terminal-based ssh program, or putty, or what? |
| 07:38.06 | valdyn | Unfrgiven: up your keyboard repeat rate in windows then |
| 07:38.16 | Unfrgiven | peterS: putty |
| 07:38.17 | helix | Commodore4eva: I recommend not trolling in here. |
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| 07:38.48 | streuner | !ops Socket is a Spam-Bot |
| 07:38.50 | dpkg | Hydroxide, bob2, caphuso, dondelelcaro, doogie, eeyore-, ElectricElf, greycat, helix, ljlane, LoRez, mentor, Netsnipe, TML, walters, xk: Socket is a Spam-Bot |
| 07:38.51 | Unfrgiven | dammit! it was a windows problem... uggh im embarrased |
| 07:38.51 | peterS | Unfrgiven: then it's apparently a problem with putty. check to see if that's configurable in putty, or what. I can't recall |
| 07:38.52 | Mardus | I had Netscape Communicator 4.77 (sm, which I think is shorthand for smotif) loading a page with heavy Flash/JavaScript and the process made the comp too slow. Before it was too late, I killed most of it with top, but as per top, communicator-sm still stays in memory (despite not being active anymore and not showing). Any suggestions? |
| 07:38.56 | Jabolotai | ooooh, so this is where the other 4 billion people sit in irc. efnet seems rather tiny in comparison |
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| 07:39.08 | streuner | thanks helix |
| 07:39.13 | spoonman2 | hello! i tried compiling mplayer it does not creat a gmplayer binary even though I gave a --enable-gui |
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| 07:39.25 | Commodore4eva | well now that you mention it ... |
| 07:39.35 | valdyn | Mardus: you cant kill the communicator process? |
| 07:39.41 | Mardus | valdyn: Yes |
| 07:40.23 | Unfrgiven | is there a good gui application to configure the startup scripts? i.e. rc2.d and rc6.d? |
| 07:40.23 | valdyn | Mardus: kill its parent ( probably X then ) |
| 07:40.23 | peterS | Unfrgiven: there is rcconf but that isn't gui |
| 07:40.23 | simonrvn | rc6 stuff isn't start up |
| 07:40.27 | Unfrgiven | peterS: I've found rcconf to be not that great... i want to set specific numbers for the apps |
| 07:40.51 | Unfrgiven | simonrvn: i know, its reboot right? i want to make sure that things are shutdown correctly before a reboot |
| 07:40.58 | Mardus | valdyn: It's not working, but top shows it. Separately killing it with kill pid ### doesn't work either, because kill says 'no such pid'. |
| 07:41.18 | simonrvn | yes |
| 07:41.28 | bucky | Unfrgiven, man update-rc.d |
| 07:41.34 | valdyn | Mardus: just "kill <pid>" not kill pid <pid> |
| 07:41.51 | spoonman2 | what do i need to do to get gmplayer? |
| 07:41.59 | valdyn | Mardus: either way killing X should remove it |
| 07:42.04 | Unfrgiven | bucky: yeah im butting heads with that atm. it says that a hdparm is already in startup but it clearly isnt... |
| 07:42.15 | simonrvn | install it via a .deb like a norbal person |
| 07:42.20 | peterS | Unfrgiven: any debian package that needs to shut something down but doesn't include an rc6 link is broken |
| 07:42.46 | Mardus | valdyn: On killing X... I've tried exiting my X session, then X restarts and I go in and it's still there. Alternately, Ctrl+Alt+Bcksp doesn't work either, because I've tried it. |
| 07:43.01 | valdyn | Mardus: if it is already a zombie then you cannot kill it directly |
| 07:43.12 | simonrvn | Commodore4eva quit (~troller@224-66.mg.cgocable.ca) # note the user name.. |
| 07:43.19 | Unfrgiven | peterS: well what ive noticed is a bunch of startup and shutdown scripts that have been left over even though packages have been removed.... e.g. fam, courier, fetchmail to name a few |
| 07:43.29 | valdyn | Mardus: then its already given init as parent i suppose, wait for init to reap it or reboot |
| 07:43.46 | valdyn | Mardus: no problem with leaving it as it is though |
| 07:43.54 | shingouz | spoonman2: /msg dpkg marillat |
| 07:43.54 | Mardus | valdyn: kill <pid> returns to next line in bash (ie "nothing happens") |
| 07:44.09 | peterS | Unfrgiven: yeah, that's because they're configuration data. if you remove a package without "purging" it, configuration data is retained, so that you can reinstall the package later and it'll already be configured the way you had it before |
| 07:44.15 | valdyn | Mardus: right, because you cannot kill a zombie directly |
| 07:44.20 | spoonman2 | shingouz, ofcourse i'll have a reason to compile it myself wont i? |
| 07:44.28 | simonrvn | no |
| 07:44.33 | shingouz | spoonman2: most do not |
| 07:44.45 | Mardus | valdyn: I'd like to start Communicator again, but then it says it won't work properly, unless I kill its previous process and then delete the lock file... |
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| 07:45.06 | valdyn | Mardus: just delete the lockfile w/ rm |
| 07:45.15 | Unfrgiven | peterS: bummer... anyways so im keen on just manually doing a clean up... surely there must be a nice GUI tool. it would be too laborious using update-rc |
| 07:45.28 | valdyn | Mardus: that will be done automatically if you reboot |
| 07:45.36 | Mardus | valdyn: deleted lock file. |
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| 07:46.06 | sanmarcos | hmm when I upgraded to apache2, now php+mysql, wont work anymore Call to undefined function: mysql_connect(), I installed php4-mysql, auth-mysql, etc, any ideas? I copied /etc/php4/apache/php.ini to the apache2 dir |
| 07:46.17 | infinity_ | what is wrong with this picture? |
| 07:46.17 | infinity_ | # arp -a |
| 07:46.17 | valdyn | !zombie |
| 07:46.18 | infinity_ | porsche.brendon.com (10.5.5.242) at 00:00:00:00:00:00 [ether] PERM on eth0 |
| 07:46.18 | infinity_ | # ping 10.5.5.242 |
| 07:46.18 | infinity_ | 64 bytes from 10.5.5.242: icmp_seq=0 ttl=128 time=1.2 ms |
| 07:46.18 | dpkg | A zombie process is one which has issued an exit(), but whose parent has not yet issued wait() (or one of its variants) to retrieve the exit code. This usually means the parent process is buggy. You can't kill a zombie, because it's already dead; you have to kill the parent, or just ignore the zombie. |
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| 07:46.32 | infinity_ | ah. that was 4 lines! doh |
| 07:46.36 | simonrvn | peterS: m-x xrdb-mode |
| 07:46.37 | liable | Unfrgiven: typing a few lines harder than what you have just typed |
| 07:46.47 | peterS | simonrvn: oh, cool |
| 07:47.04 | simonrvn | works ok |
| 07:47.06 | Mardus | valdyn: Thanks for explanations. |
| 07:47.10 | Unfrgiven | liable: i disagree. update-rc.d is telling me that the links are already setup for certain applications when they clearly arent |
| 07:47.22 | peterS | simonrvn: that'd be useful for /etc/X11/app-defaults/* too then |
| 07:47.29 | infinity_ | how can a system be pingable with a bogus arp entry? |
| 07:47.33 | simonrvn | yup |
| 07:47.50 | valdyn | Mardus: additionally, a zombie takes up about zero resources, so you can ignore its existance pretty much. |
| 07:47.53 | liable | Unfrgiven: if the script still exists in /init.d then you need to use -f |
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| 07:48.11 | Unfrgiven | liable: tried it |
| 07:48.13 | EvanCarroll | where can i find infomration about making kernel without initrd |
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| 07:48.46 | liable | Unfrgiven: what is the actual error message |
| 07:48.48 | Mardus | valdyn: That's comforting. What about "[then it's] given init as parent, wait for init to reap it" -- what does it mean? |
| 07:49.02 | Unfrgiven | liable: System startup links for /etc/init.d/hdparm already exist. |
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| 07:49.03 | simonrvn | infinity_: says PERM there. do you have an /etc/ethers with that info? |
| 07:49.20 | simonrvn | (or similar) |
| 07:49.25 | shingouz | EvanCarroll: you just need to compile statically all the drivers you need to access your root filesystem. disk drivers, filesystems basically |
| 07:49.36 | valdyn | Mardus: its a mechanism to clean up zombies |
| 07:49.48 | liable | Unfrgiven: are you using 'update-rc.d remove foo -f' |
| 07:50.09 | Mardus | valdyn: How to activate it or is it even needed? |
| 07:50.15 | valdyn | Mardus: since you cannot kill a process parents once its parent is init w/o shutting down your system ( init is parent to every process ) |
| 07:50.20 | spoonman2 | when i comple mplayer why do i not get gmplayer? |
| 07:50.35 | Unfrgiven | liable: update-rc.d -f hdparm defaults 11 |
| 07:50.35 | EvanCarroll | because gmplayer is an interface to mplayer |
| 07:50.36 | infinity_ | simonrvn: no. i did arp -s to make it PERM |
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| 07:50.43 | valdyn | Mardus: dont worry aboutt it, if it can it will clean it up, if it cant it wont. |
| 07:50.43 | Mardus | valdyn: Ok. |
| 07:50.45 | EvanCarroll | spoonman2: apt-cache search mplayer, pick your favorite |
| 07:50.48 | infinity_ | simonrvn: but i can ping it even though its set to 00:00:00:00:00:00 |
| 07:50.56 | liable | Unfrgiven: ok misunderstood, you are trying to add it and it says there already there? |
| 07:51.06 | Unfrgiven | liable: yes |
| 07:51.11 | Mardus | valdyn: But the cpu % stays around 90.x |
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| 07:51.30 | liable | Unfrgiven: well just try the remove command to remove and then try again |
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| 07:51.42 | valdyn | Mardus: which process is taking that much? |
| 07:52.17 | Unfrgiven | liable: ok that worked. thanks :) guess this isnt so bad after all.... |
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| 07:52.41 | liable | Unfrgiven: np :) |
| 07:53.04 | Mardus | valdyn: communicator-sm, although, it doesn't seem to be working. Communicator often works well, but on these occasions it's not communicator-smotif, but communicator-sado-maso. |
| 07:53.18 | simonrvn | infinity_: i see. fyi, dunno if it's pertinent, but might have some bearing, certain devices can have their IP set via their mac addie... ...i suppose one can set the mac addie via the ip - but in this case the box is finding that ip even with what seems like bogus arp data |
| 07:53.30 | spoonman2 | EvanCarroll, i cant do that. |
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| 07:53.47 | EvanCarroll | did you add mirallat? |
| 07:54.00 | shingouz | marillat |
| 07:54.06 | spoonman2 | does anyone here know what gmplayer is and how to get it? compiling mplayer from source just gives me mplaye binary. |
| 07:54.08 | infinity_ | simonrvn: are you talking about bootp in the first part? |
| 07:54.09 | valdyn | Mardus: thats not a zombie the, try "kill -9 <pid>" instead of just "kill" |
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| 07:54.38 | EvanCarroll | !tell spponman2 about marillat |
| 07:54.41 | spoonman2 | shingouz, EvanCarroll, no i did not and thats not the problem, the problem is I want to compile it, |
| 07:54.42 | Mardus | valdyn: Oh, thanks. That worked :D |
| 07:54.43 | svx | Morning |
| 07:54.45 | simonrvn | no, though that's one case |
| 07:54.47 | infinity_ | simonrvn: i don't get it. must be something broken somewhere. i tried to kick the system off the internet connection from the firewall by settings its arp addr to soemthing bogus |
| 07:54.51 | mike__ | hi, how can i find out which ports are open and/or which ones belong to each program? |
| 07:54.59 | shingouz | spoonman2: why dont you ask that on #mplayer if there is such a channel or check the mplayer homepage for some information on the compilation? here we just apt-get the stuff off marillat |
| 07:55.12 | spoonman2 | shingouz, /whois spoonman |
| 07:55.15 | bob2 | mike__: sudo netstat -pluant |
| 07:55.18 | simonrvn | would seem like it. doesn't always work. dunno why |
| 07:55.29 | mike__ | bob2: thanks mate |
| 07:55.32 | infinity_ | simonrvn: thats a serious flaw. lol. |
| 07:55.35 | valdyn | Mardus: just "kill" sends a signal that needs reaction by the process itself, kill -9 though requires only the kernel to react and just removes the process w/o letting it to possible cleanup work |
| 07:55.47 | simonrvn | heh |
| 07:56.08 | valdyn | Mardus: iows, lockfile wont be removed if you issue a kill -9 |
| 07:56.08 | Mardus | valdyn: That's interesting. |
| 07:56.22 | Mardus | valdyn: What's iows? |
| 07:56.33 | valdyn | Mardus: in other words |
| 07:56.35 | svx | I have here a hard drive with one partition of the NTFS variety that is said to have been infected by a virus. the partition mounts, but when I ls in the mounted drive I receive "ls: reading directory .: input/output error". but it mounts fine, so my question is: |
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| 07:57.15 | svx | what exactly would cause the drive to mount properly, but cause such an error when I try to access data from the mounted drive? |
| 07:57.25 | ArSeN | hi! Could please someone give me the command to add anther IP to my Server? There was a command something with "ip ..." ?! |
| 07:57.26 | bob2 | lots of things |
| 07:57.29 | simonrvn | @taunt fubar eth devices |
| 07:57.30 | valdyn | Mardus: "man 7 signal" for details |
| 07:57.36 | bob2 | mounting just means the kernel could read the basic partition info |
| 07:57.39 | svx | I can cat the device and its partition and data seems to be in order |
| 07:57.49 | bob2 | unless you trash the beginning of the partition, you can always mount them |
| 07:58.01 | svx | alright, I see |
| 07:58.04 | EvanCarroll | svx there should be no inputing to an NTFS volume |
| 07:58.10 | Mardus | valdyn: Well, the lockfile is already gone. So I think if I encounter this again, I'll do the regular kill to stop the slowdown process, then kill -9 <pid>, then remove lockfile. |
| 07:58.10 | bob2 | ArSeN: ip addr add 1.2.3.4 dev eth0 |
| 07:58.11 | svx | so, is the partition bad, do you think? |
| 07:58.18 | EvanCarroll | svx might want to try mounting it as ro |
| 07:58.24 | ArSeN | big thx bob2 |
| 07:58.32 | simonrvn | ArSeN: man ifconfig, man ip |
| 07:58.42 | Mardus | valdyn: The regular kill would probably let it go with some attempts at cleanup. |
| 07:58.43 | svx | I'm trying to find a way to fix it - the data on the drive actually -does- exist and isn't fubar'd, so I'm trying to retrieve some important things from it |
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| 07:59.01 | svx | EvanCarroll: RO by default, since it's NTFS |
| 07:59.05 | simonrvn | ...though ip's 'help' option is more helpful.. |
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| 07:59.09 | valdyn | Mardus: yea, exactly. Its not safe however, if communicator crashes while writing to some other file, that file will be broken and may need cleanup too |
| 07:59.10 | bob2 | svx: use some windows tool |
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| 07:59.32 | simonrvn | it's a tool alright... |
| 07:59.47 | valdyn | Mardus: that should usually only be its disk cache though i think, so no big deal |
| 08:00.11 | Mardus | valdyn: So I guess at next startup I'd have to delete the disk cache too. |
| 08:00.12 | svx | Do you think writing a new partition table to the drive would solve the problem? |
| 08:00.18 | bob2 | no |
| 08:00.21 | Mardus | valdyn: * communicator startup |
| 08:00.22 | svx | or would that make the data inaccessable? |
| 08:00.51 | bob2 | I'd image the disk before playing with it |
| 08:00.51 | valdyn | Mardus: theoretically yea, no idea if it ever breaks its cache. its just a possibility |
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| 08:01.20 | svx | right - I want to, but the thing's got like 200 GB of stuff on it and I just don't have that much to spare for a backup |
| 08:01.23 | simonrvn | @status |
| 08:01.24 | ravenbird | Since Fri Apr 8 02:45:03 2005, there have been 1 modification, 30 questions, 10 dunnos, 0 morons and 19 commands. I have been awake for 1d 5h 16m 21s this session, and currently reference 20688 factoids. I'm using about 19548 kB of memory. With 0 active forks. Process time user/system 292.63/15.68 child 0.02/0.1 |
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| 08:02.13 | Mardus | valdyn: Suppose there's something that is not in the cache that might not be cleaned up? |
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| 08:02.51 | svx | what portion of the disk do you think is corrupted, bob2? |
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| 08:03.19 | ak70 | Hi,everyone. I got a serious problem on CD/DVD burning! |
| 08:03.25 | ak70 | all burning software can not use cache when I burn DVDs!!! It is extremely slow! And I can not burn CDs due to this problem! |
| 08:03.43 | svx | that would cause it to mount and display the proper partition table, but not let me access data? |
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| 08:03.57 | simonrvn | oh boy! |
| 08:03.57 | bob2 | ak70: you didn't need to use any exclamation marks there |
| 08:04.02 | bob2 | svx: the contents of the disk |
| 08:04.06 | bob2 | er, partition |
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| 08:04.32 | bob2 | ak70: "cache"? |
| 08:04.33 | svx | alright, that's what I was trying to communicate my wanting to know :) |
| 08:04.40 | ak70 | here is the information I got from hdparm |
| 08:04.45 | Mardus | ak70: How large is your computer cache and I was thinking whether you use swap, too. Additionally, what large apps are you running when trying to burn? |
| 08:04.45 | ak70 | /dev/hdc: |
| 08:04.46 | ak70 | <PROTECTED> |
| 08:04.46 | ak70 | <PROTECTED> |
| 08:04.46 | ak70 | <PROTECTED> |
| 08:04.46 | ak70 | <PROTECTED> |
| 08:04.46 | ak70 | <PROTECTED> |
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| 08:04.55 | svx | perhaps there's a utility to fix fubar'd NTFS partitions |
| 08:04.59 | svx | I'll have a look around |
| 08:05.01 | simonrvn | of course s/he pastes it... |
| 08:05.31 | shingouz | maybe it is sunday where s/he is from |
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| 08:05.34 | dondelelcaro | the utility to fix them is mkfs... since NTFS by definition is fubared. |
| 08:05.37 | smhar | man.. skype is cool |
| 08:05.45 | simonrvn | w00t dondelelcaro |
| 08:05.51 | svx | dondelelcaro: I agree :) |
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| 08:06.02 | Mardus | simonrvn: I was already thinking when s/he'd be kicked off |
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| 08:06.13 | Mardus | Skype come from where I come. |
| 08:06.15 | svx | dondelelcaro: unfortunately, isn't my hard drive but the data on it is important to me nevertheless, so I have to find a way to fix it |
| 08:06.16 | Mardus | * comes |
| 08:06.35 | dondelelcaro | svx: yeah, it happens. |
| 08:06.46 | delyan | cafuego_: i got sound to work after recompiling the kernel with the modules. thanks for your hints |
| 08:06.50 | ak70 | Note that "BuffSize=0kB" |
| 08:06.51 | Mardus | At least by a large margin from the coutry where I live in. |
| 08:07.22 | Mardus | valdyn: Thanks for advice. |
| 08:07.42 | ak70 | I have 2MB cache on my DVD Writer |
| 08:07.42 | shingouz | ak70: --driveropts=burnfree perhaps in cdrecord? |
| 08:07.49 | ak70 | no |
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| 08:08.26 | valdyn | Mardus: welcome |
| 08:08.36 | Mardus | ak70: All other sizes are also zero in your specs. |
| 08:09.03 | ak70 | because cdrecord can not use cache, burnfree is disabled automatically |
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| 08:09.13 | i3dmaster | ak70: try hdparm -W1, that will enable write cache |
| 08:09.35 | ak70 | it dose not work |
| 08:09.51 | shingouz | ak70: burnfree is disabled automatically in anycase unless you enable it on the commandline |
| 08:10.56 | Mardus | ak70: I'd be thinking of a driver problem first, but I am not yet experienced in CD/DVD burning in Linux. I've only burned Debian 3.0r2, Knoppix and a few programs. |
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| 08:11.07 | ak70 | no you don't understand, when I enable burnfree, it tells me it can not get cache information |
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| 08:11.17 | vague | hi |
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| 08:11.39 | valdyn | ak70: that information does not mean that your cache is not used |
| 08:11.41 | erzeon | is there a gkrellm program for debian? and a tv program? |
| 08:11.50 | vague | can anybody help me with my printer driver? |
| 08:12.01 | Mardus | erzeon: apt-cache search gkrellm |
| 08:12.06 | vague | i have a canon IP1500 |
| 08:12.10 | erzeon | ok |
| 08:12.12 | ak70 | I am using sid, about one week ago, it worked perferly. |
| 08:12.19 | shingouz | vague: could you be a bit more vague |
| 08:12.26 | ak70 | any hints? |
| 08:12.31 | Mardus | shingouz: LOL |
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| 08:12.41 | shingouz | had to |
| 08:12.46 | Mardus | vague: Go to Canon's homesite, see if they have anything |
| 08:12.49 | vague | oh. don't make fun about my nick.HELP ME! :( |
| 08:13.01 | ak70 | that is an error information |
| 08:13.06 | erzeon | is there a tv program to watch normal tv for debian |
| 08:13.11 | shingouz | vague: how about giving us a bit more information. what is the problem |
| 08:13.49 | vague | no. the link to a site of a company named zedonet and the purchase a driver for 30EURO |
| 08:13.52 | vague | :( |
| 08:14.05 | erzeon | my computer can work like a normal home tv with lifeview tv, is there something like that for debian? |
| 08:14.08 | ak70 | there are some people in Ubuntu having the same problem. |
| 08:14.21 | vague | and now i hope that anyone has the registration key file for me |
| 08:14.27 | Mardus | vague: Well, it's good to give you credit for having done some preliminary work. |
| 08:14.40 | ak70 | so i think it is a bug |
| 08:15.05 | ak70 | but where does it lie? |
| 08:15.07 | shingouz | vague: most of us use cups here and from what i know you do not need to pay for some drivers |
| 08:15.07 | valdyn | erzeon: tvtime, xawtv,zapping |
| 08:15.11 | EvanCarroll | do i have to enable pcie in the kernel if im building my own? |
| 08:15.27 | erzeon | ok thanks |
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| 08:16.08 | shingouz | EvanCarroll: pci-e? do you have the root filesystem sitting on a controller using pci-e then |
| 08:16.15 | EvanCarroll | shingouz: yes |
| 08:16.22 | erzeon | i tried apt-get install xawtv and apt-get insall tvtime but i get |
| 08:16.27 | vague | but i haven't found a free driver for the canon ip1500 printer |
| 08:16.29 | erzeon | E: Could not get lock /var/lib/dpkg/lock - open (11 Resource temporarily unavailable |
| 08:16.32 | shingouz | EvanCarroll: in that case yet, it has to be static unless you want to use initrd |
| 08:16.53 | EvanCarroll | ok do you know how to browse to it in menuconfig i can't find it |
| 08:16.54 | valdyn | erzeon: so you have another apt-get or dpkg still running? |
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| 08:17.13 | erzeon | dont think so |
| 08:17.14 | valdyn | erzeon: or synaptic or aptitude |
| 08:17.20 | shingouz | vague: have you tried cups already, i seems to surprise from time to time. maybe the printer can run with some other driver |
| 08:17.21 | erzeon | synaptic |
| 08:17.26 | erzeon | thx |
| 08:17.27 | takatumi | EvanCarroll: use less on the config, hit / |
| 08:17.38 | vague | what is cups? |
| 08:17.43 | takatumi | !vaguenesssmite vague |
| 08:17.44 | shingouz | EvanCarroll: uh. if there is no pci-e there i think the pci would be it |
| 08:17.45 | erzeon | where are the downloaded files saved to |
| 08:17.51 | glev | please i have a probleme but i speak very veru very liitle english im speak french and i want floppy virtual of my dekstop "pour" creat diskette boot and copy of cdrom boot |
| 08:18.03 | EvanCarroll | shingouz: alright cool i got that covered =d |
| 08:18.12 | valdyn | !french |
| 08:18.12 | dpkg | Vous pouvez obtenir de l'aide sur Debian sur le canal #debian-fr - For help in french, please join #debian-fr |
| 08:18.15 | shingouz | !tell vague about cups |
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| 08:18.53 | erzeon | does anyone know what the default television standard is for australia? |
| 08:19.05 | liable | pal |
| 08:19.08 | shingouz | EvanCarroll: just remember to do even the filesystem driver static there. like ext3... would not hurt to do a static for your ide driver too if you run ide.... ;) |
| 08:19.09 | Mardus | erzeon: Pal? Ntsc? |
| 08:19.13 | erzeon | thx |
| 08:19.24 | EvanCarroll | i did everything static i think |
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| 08:19.49 | erzeon | lol tvtime just closes straight away ocne i run it |
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| 08:20.08 | shingouz | EvanCarroll: not everything and their dog, just the stuff you need to access the root. all the other stuff can still be modules to keep the size of the kernel smaller |
| 08:20.19 | valdyn | erzeon: run it from a shell |
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| 08:20.32 | erzeon | how do u run it from shell? |
| 08:20.39 | valdyn | erzeon: "tvtime" |
| 08:20.41 | vague | oh f***! i've searched http://www.cups.org/ for a driver for the canon ip1500 model. but they have none |
| 08:20.47 | erzeon | ok thanks |
| 08:21.07 | peterS | vague: check http://linuxprinting.org then |
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| 08:21.14 | shingouz | vague: does the priter support either pcl or postscript? |
| 08:21.18 | erzeon | bah cnat run it |
| 08:21.24 | erzeon | is it because i got an ATI radeon 9200 |
| 08:21.24 | erzeon | ? |
| 08:21.35 | vague | what does that mean shing? |
| 08:21.49 | valdyn | erzeon: id doubt that, check the error message |
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| 08:21.57 | erzeon | ok |
| 08:21.58 | shingouz | vague: does the ptinter support PCL or PostScript |
| 08:22.09 | shingouz | printer, dammit :( |
| 08:22.13 | peterS | vague: PCL and PostScript are two common languages a lot of printers, especially laser printers, support |
| 08:22.21 | erzeon | I/O warning : failed to load external entity "/root/.tvtime/tvtime.xml" |
| 08:22.21 | erzeon | xvoutput: No XVIDEO port found which supports YUY2 images. |
| 08:22.46 | vague | it is an ink printer and it is connected via usb |
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| 08:22.57 | shingouz | erzeon: run xvinfo in a terminal, you should be able to see if you have anythying capable of xv there now |
| 08:23.18 | erzeon | I/O warning : failed to load external entity "/root/.tvtime/tvtime.xml" |
| 08:23.18 | erzeon | xvoutput: No XVIDEO port found which supports YUY2 images. |
| 08:23.20 | erzeon | woops sry |
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| 08:23.28 | peterS | vague: probably doesn't support PCL or PS then. anyway, did you check http://linuxprinting.org to see if foomatic has a driver for it? |
| 08:23.29 | shingouz | vague: linuxprinting.org might know a bit more |
| 08:23.33 | erzeon | can't open /dev/video0: No such device |
| 08:23.53 | shingouz | erzeon: what driver you use for the radeon at the moment? |
| 08:23.58 | valdyn | erzeon: first you need a driver loaded for your video device |
| 08:24.05 | erzeon | i dont know what driver |
| 08:24.14 | erzeon | i got ati radeon 9200 |
| 08:24.14 | vague | i'm searching... |
| 08:24.17 | shingouz | erzeon: vesa does not cut it |
| 08:24.21 | valdyn | erzeon: me neither, i dont even know what your video device is |
| 08:24.22 | erzeon | awww |
| 08:24.24 | erzeon | i used vesa |
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| 08:24.30 | takatumi | is it possible to get less to highlight syntax? |
| 08:24.34 | erzeon | because ati stuffed up for me on 3.0r4 |
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| 08:25.04 | shingouz | erzeon: bingo. dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xfree86 and use the ati radeon specific driver, tehn you should have xv and the tv software should be able to run |
| 08:25.07 | valdyn | erzeon: i wouldnt use woody for viewing tv or for a desktop |
| 08:25.13 | valdyn | !tell erzeon about woody |
| 08:25.37 | erzeon | shingou would it stuff up? |
| 08:25.37 | takatumi | erzeon: heard ati released a new driver, apparently works, but *shrug*. |
| 08:25.55 | shingouz | erzeon: no idea, i run matrox here |
| 08:26.04 | erzeon | i tried searching it through google and i read stuff about some ati driver released that requires alien or something |
| 08:26.07 | erzeon | ok |
| 08:26.17 | valdyn | !tell erzeon about ati drivers |
| 08:26.20 | shingouz | erzeon: man alien |
| 08:26.24 | erzeon | i dont know what alien is |
| 08:26.25 | valdyn | erzeon: but those ati drivers may not work in woody |
| 08:26.34 | erzeon | ok so the ati drivers should work for sarge? |
| 08:26.35 | shingouz | erzeon: apt-cache show alien |
| 08:26.39 | valdyn | erzeon: you dont need alien |
| 08:26.42 | erzeon | ok |
| 08:26.54 | resiak | !ati drivers |
| 08:26.54 | dpkg | debs of the binary ATI drivers are at http://stanchina.net/~flavio/debian/fglrx-installer.html (requires that the 'rpm' package be installed) Be sure to *modularize* both the AGP GART and the Radeon DRM options in your custom kernel (under Character Devices). ATI's binary driver does NOT support 9700 mobility radeon or the Mobility U1. Ask me about 'mobility u1'. |
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| 08:27.27 | erzeon | what did dpkg say? |
| 08:27.32 | erzeon | i didnt understand that |
| 08:27.52 | valdyn | its written here, whats there not to understand |
| 08:28.06 | erzeon | ok dinner now, thanks for the help anyway |
| 08:28.18 | erzeon | i'll try dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xfree86 later |
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| 08:29.19 | Mardus | vague et al: I checked the canon homepage and they really don't have their own Linux driver. And they use .asp in their pages. sux |
| 08:29.32 | vague | :( |
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| 08:31.16 | soloflyer | brb booting into 2.6 kernel |
| 08:31.30 | netbrain | when i browse in gnome. how come it open folders in a new window? how can i change that? |
| 08:31.37 | soloflyer | is there anyway to change kernel without restarting linux? |
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| 08:32.06 | netbrain | im guessing no.. |
| 08:32.13 | bob2 | soloflyer: no |
| 08:32.13 | soloflyer | yeah i didnt think so |
| 08:32.16 | bob2 | think about it |
| 08:32.30 | soloflyer | yes i know if i think about it i cant see anyway for it to work |
| 08:32.39 | Anders1 | ive seen an article about hotswapping kernels once |
| 08:32.41 | soloflyer | but that dosent mean im not missing something |
| 08:32.41 | bob2 | there is kexec and 'two kernel monte' but they're not simple |
| 08:32.53 | Mardus | Interesting. Canon has named some of its printer make bj-<no. of model> |
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| 08:33.53 | soloflyer | anyway must reboot :P |
| 08:34.01 | soloflyer | shutdown -r now |
| 08:34.14 | soloflyer | ahh crap |
| 08:34.38 | Mardus | Like BJ-5 or BJ-300. Maybe the guy creating these model names was in fact doing some other "BJ" activity. |
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| 08:35.29 | prologic | Does the 2.6 kernel images use ALSA by default now ? |
| 08:35.29 | Mardus | vague: A listing of Canon printers with linux: http://linuxprinting.org/printer_list.cgi?make=Canon |
| 08:35.36 | peterS | Mardus: you don't believe that 'bubblejet' was an innocent name for a product line? |
| 08:36.11 | Mardus | peterS: Well, it's a half-hearted disbelief in my part towards Canon. |
| 08:36.37 | Mardus | peterS: With what issues vague is having with his/her printer right now. |
| 08:36.40 | infinity_ | peterS: image how bubbles & jets REALLY relate. |
| 08:37.36 | infinity_ | something i've been wondering. what the easiest way to install debian with evms underneath? |
| 08:37.51 | peterS | infinity_: debian-installer rc3 has an evms module |
| 08:38.00 | simonrvn | underneath a rock? must be crowded |
| 08:38.42 | infinity_ | reallly?? i didn't see it when i used it last! hm. |
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| 08:39.05 | peterS | infinity_: I haven't tried it. just noticed it the other day. it was not in debian-installer rc2. |
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| 08:39.20 | infinity_ | wonder if i used rc2 or 3 last |
| 08:39.54 | infinity_ | descriptive file name: sarge-i386-netinst.iso |
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| 08:39.56 | infinity_ | hah |
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| 08:40.42 | javier_ | I have installed kernel-image-2.6.* series in my laptop and my pc110pad isn't correctly detected, who can help me? |
| 08:40.47 | Mash | hello |
| 08:40.52 | peterS | infinity_: indeed. isoinfo -d -i sarge-i386-netinst.iso |
| 08:41.06 | infinity_ | peterS: no shit? thanks for the tip. |
| 08:41.18 | Mardus | Yea well, bye for now. |
| 08:41.18 | peterS | infinity_: that won't actually tell you if it's rc2 or rc3, directly, because the 'volume id' just says 'Debian testing i386 Bin-1' |
| 08:41.31 | vague | mardus: inn this list is every printer...but not mine :( |
| 08:41.43 | peterS | infinity_: rc3 has a 'Volume size is: 53388', don't know what rc2 had |
| 08:41.48 | vague | oh...gone.. |
| 08:42.24 | infinity_ | peterS: mine is Volume size is: 57456 |
| 08:42.40 | peterS | infinity_: it's not the rc3 image I've got, then (: |
| 08:43.10 | infinity_ | peterS: hm. i think i put it on an actual cd and actually labeled it! |
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| 08:43.37 | javier_ | my pc110pad worked fine with 2.4 series kernel, and 2.6 series doesn't detect it correctly, when I modprobe it, it answers with an error |
| 08:43.50 | peterS | infinity_: come to think of it, the information isoinfo -d spits out isn't any more useful in this case than just 'ls -l' which shows the iso size just as well, except in bytes instead of in 2048-byte blocks (: |
| 08:43.52 | infinity_ | peterS: oooo ..the cd says rc3 |
| 08:44.14 | infinity_ | peterS: now who really has rc3? hm. |
| 08:44.27 | smhar | what is agood alternative to vmware? |
| 08:44.33 | infinity_ | smhar: uml? |
| 08:44.39 | peterS | infinity_: I do. the iso is 109338624 bytes long. rc3 had some test candidates, you might have one of those |
| 08:44.45 | javier_ | smhar: bochs is an alternative to vmware |
| 08:44.52 | Anders1 | smhar: qemu, bochs |
| 08:45.04 | smhar | infinity_, I want to windows, mainly for autocad |
| 08:45.06 | javier_ | anyone can help me with laptop problem? |
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| 08:46.16 | javier_ | smhar: have you triend qcad? |
| 08:46.20 | javier_ | smhar: have you tried qcad? |
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| 08:46.43 | smhar | javier_, yes.. but it just doesn't cut it |
| 08:47.06 | javier_ | smhar: I suppose qcad is not evolved enough |
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| 08:48.34 | smhar | javier_, very long way to go.. I am actually thinking of learning to program in C and see if they will still need the help when I am through learning :-) |
| 08:49.00 | infinity_ | i really need to get linux on my laptop setup so i can boot it from inside windows/vmware and directly. |
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| 08:49.42 | acidc0re__ | morning |
| 08:50.08 | javier_ | infinity: what do u mean to get linux on your laptop? |
| 08:50.27 | javier_ | smhar: nice step forward :) C is not that hard anyway |
| 08:51.05 | infinity_ | javier_: i use windows on the desktop, but all my servers are on linux. i can't travel and do development czu the one on my laptop isn't setup. i hate X11. it never works after i upgrade stuff. |
| 08:51.12 | infinity_ | javier_: i sorta just avoid using it. |
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| 08:51.18 | ^rob^ | hi |
| 08:51.42 | javier_ | infinity_: I have linux installed on my laptop, what is your problem? |
| 08:51.42 | smhar | javier_, I have little experience in Delphi as a hobby from windows days.. so I will not be mission imposible for me :-) |
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| 08:51.57 | smhar | javier_, I have linux installed on my laptop, what is your problem? |
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| 08:52.21 | ^rob^ | which is java runtime env. in deb pkg? - or how can i install jre to make FireFox support java? |
| 08:52.45 | chealer | !tell ^rob^ about java |
| 08:52.58 | javier_ | smhar: my problem is that my pc110pad is not correctly recognized since I installed a 2.6 kernel |
| 08:53.42 | infinity_ | javier_: i duno. thanks for the offer. i don't feal like rebooting into linux. |
| 08:53.49 | smhar | javier_, that last post was a copy/paste mistake.. I don't have a laptop |
| 08:54.20 | javier_ | smhar: :) |
| 08:54.22 | smhar | javier_, but did you try compiling the kernel from source |
| 08:54.39 | starshine | javier_: tested under gpm as well as X ? |
| 08:54.43 | ^rob^ | and if i'm in sarge? |
| 08:54.55 | javier_ | smhar: I am trying to avoid compiling, I want the precompiled one to work for me, at least, it did with 2.4 series |
| 08:55.05 | javier_ | starshine: gpm works but not ok |
| 08:55.27 | javier_ | the problem is that pc110pad module is not loaded, and psmouse is instead |
| 08:55.28 | peterS | javier_: did you load the pc110pad kernel module, or are you using it in PS/2 compatibility mode? |
| 08:55.32 | starshine | javier_: see if its support module changed names, a lot of them did that :/ |
| 08:55.53 | chealer | !tell ^rob^ about java-package |
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| 08:56.05 | smhar | javier_, does it work with knoppix, then maybe you can check the kernel it is using |
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| 08:56.16 | javier_ | peterS: I think the ps/2 compatibility is automatically loaded, but if I unload it, I am still unable to load pc110pad |
| 08:56.29 | peterS | javier_: that's pretty odd. what happens? |
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| 08:56.42 | ^rob^ | chealer: thnx! |
| 08:56.56 | soloflyer | Hello im back with 2.6 kernel :P |
| 08:56.58 | starshine | javier_: jumpy mice is usually a protocol selection problem, not a device driver failure |
| 08:57.11 | javier_ | peterS: let's see, with 2.4 it worked fine. I have seen there was some problem with pc110pad that was corrected in prior versions |
| 08:57.29 | javier_ | so I upgraded to 2.6.11 and the problem is still there |
| 08:57.36 | peterS | javier_: you said it fails to load in 2.6 ... how does it fail exactly? does 'dmesg | tail' say anything about it/ |
| 08:58.01 | javier_ | peterS: well, now I have dmesg full of evbug messages :( |
| 08:58.05 | soloflyer | javier_ are u running debian? |
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| 08:58.13 | javier_ | yes, debian |
| 08:58.15 | ^rob^ | chealer: any clue which is more compatible with other's sun ibm or blackdown java package? |
| 08:58.16 | peterS | javier_: oh, you don't want to have evbug loaded normally (: |
| 08:58.20 | acidc0re__ | [OS] Debian 3.1; Kernel 2.6.11.6 (130 processes) |
| 08:58.24 | peterS | javier_: its only purpose is to spew to dmesg |
| 08:58.30 | soloflyer | i didnt know 2.6.11 was in unstable yet |
| 08:58.37 | soloflyer | i thoguth it was 1.6.10 |
| 08:58.41 | soloflyer | 2. |
| 08:58.49 | peterS | soloflyer: yeah, 2.6.11 just got into unstable a couple days ago |
| 08:58.57 | soloflyer | dam it! |
| 08:59.07 | javier_ | peterS: yes, but here comes another question, I unloaded it with modconf, and it is still loaded each time I restart, has something changed with 2.6 so that modconf is not useful? |
| 08:59.15 | soloflyer | i just installed 2.6.10 and im already behind!!!!! :) |
| 08:59.17 | chealer | ^rob^: sorry, I don't |
| 08:59.52 | chealer | soloflyer: don't worry, 2.6.12 should be coming soon (on kernel.org, at least) :) |
| 08:59.54 | peterS | javier_: yes. 2.6 uses the 'hotplug' package to automatically load modules based on detected hardware. it's kind of a pain to get it to stop loading things, except to uninstall it entirely |
| 08:59.56 | javier_ | soloflyer: you are late! |
| 09:00.18 | peterS | javier_: you can create a /etc/hotplug/blacklist with module names in it - that might help |
| 09:00.19 | infinity_ | anyone know when vmware is going to support a host OS of 2.6.x? |
| 09:00.29 | ^rob^ | chealer: tnx anyway |
| 09:00.48 | javier_ | peterS: well, I am fond of hotplug, it detects my pendrive but well, perhaps it places too many spurious things |
| 09:01.13 | javier_ | peterS: ok, I will try /etc/hotplug/blacklist, but evbug is loaed by hotplug??? |
| 09:01.19 | soloflyer | infinity_ i was under the impression it already did |
| 09:01.23 | chealer | ^rob^: well, actually, I'd guess Sun's |
| 09:01.37 | peterS | javier_: like I said, /etc/hotplug/blacklist is supposed to work. I've seen places where it appears to fail, so I'm not sure what goes on there. the other suspect would be 'discover' which also loads modules based on detected hardware, but only at boot time |
| 09:01.43 | infinity_ | soloflyer: its hackable so it works, but its not listed as 'supported' |
| 09:02.01 | javier_ | peterS: yes, I use discover also |
| 09:02.09 | soloflyer | infinity_ debian isnt even listed as supported... |
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| 09:02.56 | peterS | javier_: for discover, I think the correct way to tell it to blacklist something is to create a file /etc/discover.d/local or similar and put the line 'skip evbug' in there |
| 09:03.03 | javier_ | peterS: in any case, my main problem is to have pc110pad module loaded instead of a pseudo ps2 mouse which I dont have |
| 09:03.03 | infinity_ | soloflyer: i know. bastards. it works fine though. 2.6 is a little qwirky. |
| 09:03.27 | infinity_ | soloflyer: for example, i can't use tcpdump. all the packets get dropped |
| 09:03.39 | peterS | javier_: well. you might be able to fool the system, even if blacklisting 'psmouse' doesn't work. put 'pc110pad' in /etc/modules or (if you have one, this overrides /etc/modules) /etc/modules-2.6 |
| 09:03.52 | soloflyer | have u tried the new beta of 5.0 it may be better |
| 09:03.53 | peterS | javier_: the theory is that whichever module loads first and claims the hardware first wins |
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| 09:04.32 | javier_ | peterS: aha! I will try with /etc/modules-2.6 |
| 09:04.42 | infinity_ | soloflyer: no. i usually use GSX on linux and workstation on windows. linux boxes are usualy headless. |
| 09:04.45 | peterS | javier_: /etc/modules is used if /etc/modules-2.6 does not exist. so edit whichever one you have |
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| 09:05.12 | javier_ | peterS: but listen, I should be able to unload and load moduls until I find a correct configuration isn't it? |
| 09:05.51 | peterS | javier_: you should be able to. some mouse-related modules may not be able to reinitialise the hardware after some other module has left it in a weird state. this isn't supposed to happen but it *could*. |
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| 09:06.17 | soloflyer | infinity_ i personally only use unstable with 2.6 on workstations i tend to using 2.4 with stable on my servers |
| 09:06.27 | javier_ | peterS: aha, because I unloaded ps2 and loaded pc110pad and I got an error, perhaps I should unload something more first? |
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| 09:06.45 | peterS | javier_: no, 'psmouse' is the one you needed to unload |
| 09:06.59 | javier_ | peterS: yes yes sorry this is |
| 09:07.07 | peterS | javier_: also. make sure gpm and XFree86 are using /dev/input/mice with Option "Protocol" "ExplorerPS/2" (XF86Config-4) or type=exps2 (gpm.conf) |
| 09:07.13 | seanix | hi all :) Has anyone heard of Anthony Fok? |
| 09:07.25 | peterS | seanix: we know who foka@debian.org is, yes. why? |
| 09:07.36 | javier_ | peterS: oh, I got lost here :( |
| 09:08.10 | seanix | peter: does he still come here? |
| 09:08.25 | starshine | javier_: leave module ps2 in (it's the raw port). take psmouse out (it's the compatible-mouse) |
| 09:08.26 | peterS | seanix: hmmm, let me check my logs to see when I last saw him |
| 09:08.36 | seanix | peter: thanks :) |
| 09:09.02 | javier_ | starshine: yes, I have just tried 'modprobe -r psmouse' 'modprobe pc110pad' and nothing |
| 09:09.33 | javier_ | it replies: FATAL: Error inserting pc110pad (/lib/modules/2.6.11-1-686/kernel/drivers/input/mouse/pc110pad.ko): Unknown symbol in module, or unknown parameter (see dmesg) |
| 09:09.35 | starshine | javier_: you shouldn't get nothing, you should get dmesg reporting success or failure on the pc110pad |
| 09:11.09 | starshine | javier_: either the module has an error or your mouse is in a horked state after the other usage. try coming up single user mode (might not be modules in yet) and loading it by hand, then invoking gpm manually |
| 09:11.25 | peterS | seanix: seems he was in #debian just under a week ago |
| 09:11.49 | javier_ | starshine: how do I get into single user mode (never did before) |
| 09:11.54 | starshine | javier_: if that behaves correctly, then take steps that psmouse never loads, and that the pc110pad does |
| 09:11.57 | peterS | !seen foka |
| 09:11.57 | sessiz | Son görüþ: Eþleþme yok |
| 09:11.58 | dpkg | foka <~foka@61.149.1.237> was last seen on IRC in channel #debian, 112d 12h 30m 5s ago, saying: 'Is it mandatory to compile in devfs in the kernel if I were to use initrd on Debian?'. |
| 09:12.05 | chealer | javier_: ini 1 |
| 09:12.10 | chealer | javier_: init 1 |
| 09:12.11 | seanix | peter: Thank you! bummer |
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| 09:12.20 | peterS | hmm, dpkg knows nothing |
| 09:12.21 | javier_ | init 1 in the xterm? or in boot? |
| 09:12.45 | seanix | anyone here who has a dayjob babysitting a windows2000 server? |
| 09:12.57 | starshine | javier_: telinit 1 goes into it, but the hardware may need a reset :( (hope not) in which case linux 1 or linux single at boot prompt |
| 09:13.09 | jethro | moin |
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| 09:13.56 | soloflyer | ahh its nice to be able to use the network card built into my laptop the pcmcia card was pissing me off! |
| 09:14.22 | starshine | javier_: you can't reset the mouse devices while in X, it's in use then! |
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| 09:14.46 | soloflyer | seanix sometimes i babysit 2k boxes |
| 09:14.57 | peterS | starshine: actually not true in kernel 2.6 |
| 09:15.13 | starshine | peterS: it'd be X that has the fit I would think |
| 09:15.35 | starshine | ...amd since that was the described symptom.. |
| 09:15.41 | peterS | starshine: unless you go way out of your way to gain raw access to a mouse device, in kernel 2.6, the kernel shields you from the physical device, such that you can load and unload mouse modules without X even noticing |
| 09:16.39 | starshine | javier_: try running depmod -a as root, that symbols error makes me wonder if the deps table is wrong somehow |
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| 09:17.49 | soloflyer | brb |
| 09:17.56 | simonrvn | peterS: re-did my ruby script with some pointers from a rails thing. it's actually is starting to work |
| 09:18.03 | starshine | peterS: ok, noted |
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| 09:18.45 | debuser | Hello, could anyone recommend me a console mp3 player (preferably with ogg vorbis support) |
| 09:18.58 | debuser | *terminal |
| 09:19.00 | peterS | debuser: cplay |
| 09:19.03 | debuser | thanks |
| 09:19.26 | peterS | debuser: I used to use mp3blaster. I think that one supports both mp3 and ogg too |
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| 09:20.10 | smhar | man I really like debian.. so far:-) |
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| 09:22.23 | redduck666 | i'm trying to compile the kernel. when i boot in newly compiled kernel i get: modpobe: fatal: can not load (lib/modules/2.6.11.6/modules.dep pivot_root: no such file or directory /sbin/init: 431: can not open dev/console no such file or directory. the error ends with kernel panic |
| 09:22.34 | redduck666 | any help appriciated |
| 09:23.01 | simonrvn | forgot your initrd in lilo/grub? |
| 09:23.45 | starshine | redduck666: sounds like you forgot to make an initrd for this kernel, and are trying one from an old kernel somehow. |
| 09:23.46 | redduck666 | simonrvn, i used mkinitrd, to make initrd. should i execute it in any particular directory? |
| 09:23.58 | Putiikki | how to enable framebuffer in terminals? |
| 09:24.07 | simonrvn | no, you should however include in your bootloader's conf |
| 09:24.14 | biggi_mat | mkinitrd -o initrd.img-kernel-version uname -r |
| 09:24.21 | biggi_mat | if you maybe don't know |
| 09:24.22 | starshine | redduck666: then your matching initrd needs also to be mentioned to the bootloader |
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| 09:24.45 | Unfrgiven | hey all. i'm having a problem with my ppp0. i've noticed that during boot up i was getting a message saying that /etc/ppp/ppp_on_boot is deprecated and to use the /etc/network/interfaces method. now i have configured that but what i've noticed is that the scripts from /etc/ppp/ip-up.d no longer run automatically. ive confirmed this by doing a ifup ppp0. but if i run /etc/init.d/ppp start, the scripts run fine. what am i missi |
| 09:25.11 | javier_ | starshine: sorry, I was out, I try depmod -a in root |
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| 09:25.35 | starshine | Putiikki: vga=0x317 in my lilo stanza for 2.4.x |
| 09:25.41 | javier_ | starshine: how do I knoe if there is some error? |
| 09:25.52 | redduck666 | simonrvn, starshine i did put it grub.initrd /boot/initrd.img <-- the relevant line from /boot/grub/menu.lst |
| 09:25.57 | Putiikki | starshine: okay |
| 09:26.08 | starshine | javier_: it either complains or returns silently |
| 09:26.11 | simonrvn | redduck666: made the symlink? |
| 09:26.20 | redduck666 | simonrvn, nope |
| 09:26.25 | javier_ | starshine: it returnd silently |
| 09:26.28 | redduck666 | simonrvn, symlink to what |
| 09:26.37 | starshine | redduck666: dime gets you donuts that links the wrong initrd |
| 09:26.38 | simonrvn | the initrd |
| 09:26.52 | starshine | javier_: good, good. |
| 09:27.16 | javier_ | starshine: as I understand, I should go out of X, shut down gpm, remove psmouse and load pc110pad? is it? |
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| 09:27.43 | redduck666 | starshine, simonrvn you make sym link with ln -s /boot/initrd.img? where should i execute that command? |
| 09:27.52 | starshine | javier_: yeah, peterS says it shouldn't be needed in 2.6, but, it shouldn't be needed to reset the mouse either, so... be a completist :) |
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| 09:28.14 | simonrvn | redduck666: doesn't matter if you're using absolute paths |
| 09:28.28 | javier_ | starshine, peterS: I will try adding psmouse in hotplug blaklist, I hope it works |
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| 09:28.47 | starshine | redduck666: use the path to the exact initrd instead of the short name. |
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| 09:29.18 | starshine | javier_: /etc/init.d/hotplug reload |
| 09:29.39 | redduck666 | starshine, i creted the initrd by doing mkinitrd -o /boot/initrd.img |
| 09:29.56 | liable | its ok to edit the kernel .config by hand isnt it? |
| 09:30.08 | javier_ | starshine: I think it is force-reload instead |
| 09:30.13 | streuner | liable: yes |
| 09:30.26 | starshine | javier_: or you could stop and start it |
| 09:30.26 | liable | streuner: thanks |
| 09:30.37 | javier_ | starshine: another question, lsmod shows several lines with [permament] tag, what does it mean? |
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| 09:30.56 | starshine | javier_: those modules don't allow unloading |
| 09:31.10 | starshine | javier_: or so I am guessing |
| 09:31.21 | luna | I have a quickie question: I just installed a clean debian system and chose the option with "windowing system" or something during install. 'startx' gives "command not found". Is that because I should use something else than startx or is it because I should do "apt-get something"? |
| 09:31.24 | javier_ | starshine: but they should never be loaded, as they are for hardware I don't have |
| 09:31.30 | redduck666 | starshine, what is "path to the exact initrd" |
| 09:31.40 | streuner | luna: xbase-clients |
| 09:31.43 | Unfrgiven | hey all. i'm having a problem with my ppp0. i've noticed that during boot up i was getting a message saying that /etc/ppp/ppp_on_boot is deprecated and to use the /etc/network/interfaces method. now i have configured that but what i've noticed is that the scripts from /etc/ppp/ip-up.d no longer run automatically. ive confirmed this by doing a ifup ppp0. but if i run /etc/init.d/ppp start, the scripts run fine. what am i missi |
| 09:31.45 | simonrvn | redduck666: it's better that you provide more info in the file name - like kernel version for instance - since you can have more than one. seems that you might've forgot a module though. |
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| 09:32.03 | streuner | luna: /msg dpkg wm |
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| 09:32.08 | starshine | javier_: how odd. |
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| 09:32.21 | eriksul | has anybody experienced problems getting ipw2100 working? I get the "Unknown symbol in module, or unknown parameter" error message when doing "modprobe ipw2100" |
| 09:32.29 | peterS | javier_: like which modules? |
| 09:32.32 | javier_ | starshine: well, I'll start with my mouse problems |
| 09:32.43 | starshine | redduck666: ls -ald /boot/initrd* please? is initrd.img a symlink or a real file? |
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| 09:32.47 | eriksul | "dmesg | tail" shows this "ipw2100: Unknown parameter `ifname'" |
| 09:32.51 | javier_ | peterS: many modules, should I dump in this channel? |
| 09:33.03 | redduck666 | simonrvn, i'm trying to compile 2.6.1.6. the sources are located in /kernel/linux-2.6.11.6. initrd is located in /boot/initrd.img |
| 09:33.05 | peterS | javier_: no, I was just curious. moving back to your mouse.. |
| 09:33.14 | starshine | javier_: #flood generally preferred.. |
| 09:33.24 | javier_ | via82cxxx 13820 0 [permanent] |
| 09:33.28 | eriksul | the module loaded just fine before I rebooted |
| 09:33.31 | glev | please i have a probleme but i speak very veru very liitle english im speak french and i want floppy virtual of my dekstop "pour" creat diskette boot and copy of cdrom boot |
| 09:33.31 | javier_ | ok, just one, so you see |
| 09:33.45 | redduck666 | ls: please: No such file or directory -rw-r--r-- 1 root root 4313088 2005-04-09 10:05 /boot/initrd.img -rw-r--r-- 1 root root 4354048 2005-04-01 22:31 /boot/initrd.img-2.6.10-1-386 starshine |
| 09:33.49 | peterS | javier_: that's really odd. via82cxxx is an IDE module. I've loaded / unloaded those with impunity in the past |
| 09:33.53 | javier_ | peterS: not my mouse, my pc110pad, he he, I have no mouse |
| 09:33.56 | streuner | glev: /j #debian-fr |
| 09:33.59 | peterS | javier_: right, right (: |
| 09:34.03 | glev | yes |
| 09:34.05 | glev | merci |
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| 09:34.34 | javier_ | peterS: I have been using linux for years and I never saw "permanent" modules!!! |
| 09:34.39 | Virtual | anyone uses KVirc over here? |
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| 09:34.43 | midas | hi 111 |
| 09:34.54 | redduck666 | starshine, forget my last line: -rw-r--r-- 1 root root 4313088 2005-04-09 10:05 /boot/initrd.img |
| 09:34.54 | redduck666 | -rw-r--r-- 1 root root 4354048 2005-04-01 22:31 /boot/initrd.img-2.6.10-1-386 |
| 09:34.57 | peterS | javier_: not sure what's up with that. I don't run kernel 2.6.11 yet either though, maybe it's a recent change |
| 09:34.58 | midas | I've got problems running KDE |
| 09:35.03 | starshine | redduck666: ok it's a true file and not a symlink. |
| 09:35.08 | luna | streuner: But I just did "apt-get install ctwm" so that part is already fixed. It could be that startx is not installed or not in my path. |
| 09:35.16 | javier_ | peterS: it was also happening with 2.6.10 |
| 09:35.18 | streuner | midas: what version of KDE, what version of debian, what kernel? |
| 09:35.28 | redduck666 | starshine, that is good or bad? |
| 09:35.32 | streuner | luna: apt-get install xbase-clients |
| 09:35.35 | peterS | javier_: anyway, I note that the pc110pad module has no dependencies, which surprised me a bit - I expected it to depend on 'input' at least |
| 09:35.37 | javier_ | well, I will try shutting X down and restarting my pad |
| 09:35.37 | starshine | luna: add /usr/X11R6/bin to your PATH |
| 09:35.45 | midas | last stable debian (Woody) |
| 09:35.48 | peterS | javier_: but I guess 'input' is built into debian kernels, so never mind |
| 09:35.54 | streuner | luna: if that doesn't work you don't run debian. |
| 09:35.58 | starshine | redduck666: it's ok though odd. |
| 09:36.09 | midas | instalation through http |
| 09:36.09 | redduck666 | starshine, :) |
| 09:36.15 | javier_ | peterS: no, pc110pad has no dependencies, which is much surprising, I suppose like you that input is inside the kernel |
| 09:36.33 | javier_ | well, I will try, I say good bye, I must shut X down |
| 09:36.38 | streuner | midas: ok, just upgrade to sarge unless you are running a server. |
| 09:36.40 | starshine | redduck666: check bootloader, is the other kernel still default? and does its stanza say use the other initrd by full path, or also say initrd.img |
| 09:36.40 | javier_ | bye :) wish me luck |
| 09:36.46 | midas | the problem is that I get a login X screen |
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| 09:36.48 | peterS | javier_: anyway, assuming you're using "/dev/input/mice" in XF86Config-4 rather than "/dev/input/event1" or similar, there should be no need to shut down X to make changes |
| 09:36.49 | eriksul | nevermind my question :) |
| 09:37.06 | streuner | midas: call the people by nickname, please. |
| 09:37.09 | javier_ | peterS: ah! then I will not shut down, I will wait here |
| 09:37.16 | streuner | midas: prolly xdm |
| 09:37.26 | streuner | midas: /msg dpkg nodm |
| 09:37.34 | streuner | midas: or just remove xdm |
| 09:37.37 | peterS | javier_: so you can unload the 'psmouse' module, correct? after doing so, remind me what 'modprobe pc110pad' says? |
| 09:37.40 | midas | streuner: and starts loading KDE, but when it arrives "initializing peripherials" crashes |
| 09:37.52 | luna | streuner: Thanks. That seems to be it. Seemed odd that debian didn't fix that itself though since I chose an option at install that seemed to do graphics stuff. |
| 09:38.04 | streuner | midas: /msg dpkg woody->sarge |
| 09:38.06 | javier_ | peterS: wait, I use as input the /dev/gpmdata, is it ok? |
| 09:38.36 | peterS | javier_: only if gpm is working correctly. and in kernel 2.6 there is no need for the /dev/gpmdata stuff anymore - it's fine in kernel 2.6 for two processes to both open /dev/input/mice |
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| 09:38.46 | liable | streuner: I just noticed it said 'dont edit' at the top of the file, I can ignore this? |
| 09:38.53 | streuner | luna: some people think that a desktop-manager is more secure... |
| 09:38.57 | javier_ | peterS: I will then change to /dev/input/mice |
| 09:39.02 | redduck666 | starshine, http://www.pastebin.com/269230 the is relevant part of /boot/grub/menu.lst. when i boot my computer it asks me which kernel i want to boot from. the error i posted in my first line is from the kernel i'm trying to compile |
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| 09:39.18 | peterS | javier_: right. when doing so, make sure to specify Option "Protocol" "ExplorerPS/2" in XF86Config-4 as well |
| 09:39.24 | starshine | javier_: even before, gpm was wired to not speak mouse during graphic console, was often compatible |
| 09:39.37 | midas | streuner: okz, I'll try updating xdf |
| 09:39.40 | peterS | javier_: I don't know which "Protocol" you were using before, but for /dev/input/mice that one is right |
| 09:39.44 | streuner | liable: uhm |
| 09:40.15 | streuner | liable: make your changes, and run make menuconfig or whatever to see if it can read the file then. |
| 09:40.18 | ^rob^ | did anyone has MS Natural Kb ? with all buttons working in X ?? |
| 09:40.19 | javier_ | peterS: the protocal that was being used before was microsoft, echs!!! |
| 09:40.30 | streuner | midas: no - the whole system i meant |
| 09:40.35 | peterS | javier_: *probably* not correct, then, but I cannot be sure without knowing your gpm.conf |
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| 09:40.44 | starshine | javier_: eep, wrong protocol indeed. |
| 09:40.45 | peterS | javier_: anyway. put it as I said (: |
| 09:40.45 | liable | streuner: well I might try anyway, can only scew the compile. |
| 09:41.10 | peterS | starshine: well, the gpm repeater *can* send a microsoft serial protocol out. if it was doing so, he had it right. however, that's not a default so you'd have to do it on purpose |
| 09:41.10 | midas | streuner: why the hole system ? |
| 09:41.13 | starshine | javier_: gpm old config used to default to repeat ms3 protocol |
| 09:41.14 | luna | streuner: Secure? In what way? |
| 09:41.21 | javier_ | peterS: the gpm I use I configured long ago, and now the gpmconfig is not used anymore so I didn't change it |
| 09:41.21 | streuner | liable: the script will tell you, if you doing something wrong just in time ;-) |
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| 09:41.42 | starshine | peterS: yeah I always found repeating ms3 silly, why not ps2 ... sigh.. |
| 09:41.43 | liable | streuner: :) its only a kernel... |
| 09:41.44 | streuner | luna: access to the system |
| 09:41.57 | kevinz | who codes in Debian? I am seeking a good IDE. I use emacs a lot but emacs seems not good for code viewing |
| 09:42.03 | javier_ | starshine: yes, gpmconf has repeat type ms3 and type autops2 |
| 09:42.08 | peterS | starshine: there is actually a good reason why not ps2. ps/2 is a bidirectional protocol, and /dev/gpmdata is a FIFO so it is unidirectional |
| 09:42.20 | starshine | peterS: ah. got it :) |
| 09:42.21 | streuner | liable: well, what you are calling only the kernel, is almost the OS itself... ;-) |
| 09:42.29 | peterS | starshine: as such, any app that thinks it *is* talking to a PS/2 mouse will be sorely disappointed at the lack of ability to send commands to the "mouse" to change its mode |
| 09:42.37 | liable | streuner: just kidding, I know |
| 09:42.41 | streuner | ok |
| 09:42.44 | starshine | kevinz: I use vim with exuberant-ctags |
| 09:42.50 | dama | what package you recommend for monitoring motherbord's temp and voltages? |
| 09:42.58 | starshine | kevinz: or in gui mode, nedit. |
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| 09:43.03 | streuner | lm-sensors, dama |
| 09:43.03 | javier_ | peterS: should I change gpm config so that it points to mice or is psaux ok? |
| 09:43.10 | kevinz | starshine: ah, vim |
| 09:43.16 | peterS | javier_: both are fine. in kernel 2.6 they're actually identical |
| 09:43.20 | dama | what about mbmon? |
| 09:43.28 | streuner | !info mbmon |
| 09:43.32 | javier_ | peterS: ok, now I should restart X is it? |
| 09:43.33 | dpkg | mbmon: (Hardware monitoring without kernel dependencies (text client)), section admin, is optional. Version: 2.05-2 (sid), Packaged size: 64 kB, Installed size: 112 kB |
| 09:43.38 | peterS | javier_: yeah |
| 09:43.41 | starshine | peterS: thus proving the true mouse is far preferable. |
| 09:43.46 | javier_ | peterS: then, good bye!!!! |
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| 09:43.57 | streuner | dama: i use gkrelm to see the output |
| 09:44.12 | streuner | dama: s/gkrelm/gkrellm/ |
| 09:44.18 | dama | can use mbmon withgkrellm? |
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| 09:44.25 | kevinz | starshine: does nedit support program codes well? I need to do a program project which need widely reference |
| 09:44.40 | peterS | starshine: in a pure kernel 2.6 environment, the gpm repeater is basically obsolete. we have to support it for people who boot 2.4 kernels, or dual-boot 2.4 and 2.6, though |
| 09:44.49 | streuner | dama: no idea, just use lm-sensors and run 'sensor(s)-detect' |
| 09:44.54 | starshine | kevinz: it has a lot of support for syntax highlighting, plus macro-effects you can add |
| 09:45.16 | peterS | starshine: can't say I'll be all that sorry to see kernel 2.4 go. speaking as gpm co-maintainer here (: |
| 09:45.20 | starshine | kevinz: also you can force it to syntax highlight of type you prefer, nice for files with no suffix |
| 09:45.22 | ArchitectSinan | hi all |
| 09:45.27 | Anders1 | i use gedit |
| 09:45.30 | Anders1 | or nano |
| 09:45.31 | starshine | peterS: *g* |
| 09:45.38 | dama | i'm intesrested in uisng mbmon w gkrellm, anyone w that set-up? |
| 09:46.12 | ArchitectSinan | i want to expand a partitions' (/dev/hda1) size on my /dev/hda. I've got enough non-partioned space on the disk. How can i do this ? |
| 09:46.21 | starshine | peterS: I surely owe you a beer or your fave drink at least once then, I've been using gpm for $mumble years now.. |
| 09:46.39 | peterS | starshine: oh, you don't owe me anything. I only started helping out with gpm packaging last year |
| 09:46.49 | streuner | ArchitectSinan: qtparted (qtparted.sf.net) |
| 09:46.54 | starshine | peterS: :) ok |
| 09:47.04 | ArchitectSinan | streuner: thank you again :) |
| 09:47.09 | midas | starshine: where can I see the reason because KDE crashes ?ŋ |
| 09:47.32 | streuner | midas: what videocard do you have? |
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| 09:47.44 | midas | nVIDIA gForce MMX |
| 09:47.53 | streuner | midas: upgrade to sarge first |
| 09:48.04 | ArchitectSinan | streuner: btw, this "no disk space" problem happened while "apt-get dist-upgrade" (from woody->sarge). i hope "qtparted" will be installed ? |
| 09:48.04 | streuner | midas: after that, /msg dpkg nvidia |
| 09:48.33 | streuner | ArchitectSinan: no - i think qtparted isn't part of debian... |
| 09:48.38 | ArchitectSinan | streuner: btw, i don't have X |
| 09:48.41 | midas | streuner: ... sorry if I'm 'borde', but I don't want to upgrade the hole system |
| 09:48.55 | ArchitectSinan | streuner: btw, i don't have X. i also don't have QT also :( |
| 09:48.56 | streuner | ArchitectSinan: parted then |
| 09:49.02 | resiak | midas: Are you using this as a desktop system? |
| 09:49.15 | streuner | resiak: yes, he do. |
| 09:49.17 | ArchitectSinan | streuner: yeah :) |
| 09:49.35 | streuner | Who want to run KDE with woody? |
| 09:49.37 | EvanCarroll | did Anarchy online go free? |
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| 09:49.51 | midas | resiak: I do right now, but I will construct a server |
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| 09:50.04 | EvanCarroll | wow talk about an awesome marketing idea, that should have hit slashdot |
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| 09:50.29 | streuner | ArchitectSinan: you can do one thing, just install those packages you already have downloaded. |
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| 09:50.44 | Nijan_ | hello, i mounted an ext2 fs with a bash, chrooting i have Illegal Instruction, is a n ipod with linux installed. |
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| 09:51.00 | streuner | ArchitectSinan: and after installation you are clean the cache (apt-get (auto)clean) |
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| 09:51.29 | resiak | midas: Just install Sarge. If you want KDE, then you _really_ want Sarge. |
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| 09:52.18 | midas | resiak: okz, so how I do ?ŋ |
| 09:52.33 | midas | resiak: changing to "testing" apt.sources ?ŋ |
| 09:52.34 | streuner | midas: /msg dpkg woody->sarge |
| 09:52.35 | resiak | midas: /msg dpkg woody->sarge |
| 09:52.39 | resiak | streuner: Jinx. |
| 09:52.59 | starshine | redduck666: that grub config looks ok to me... |
| 09:53.15 | midas | okz, thanx a lot starshine ang resiak .. |
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| 09:53.38 | midas | resiak starshine : I'll try right now |
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| 09:56.19 | streuner | !dict jinx |
| 09:56.21 | dpkg | could not find definition for jinx |
| 09:56.35 | lakerss | v |
| 09:56.36 | lakerss | s samba the only way to share files from a linux machines and access them from a windows one ? |
| 09:56.37 | starshine | streuner: means he owes you a coke |
| 09:56.47 | streuner | hehe |
| 09:56.53 | peterS | lakerss: no, there are other solutions out there |
| 09:57.01 | peterS | lakerss: for example you can buy an NFS client implementation for NT |
| 09:57.22 | peterS | lakerss: or use apache2 with mod_dav and MS Internet Explorer |
| 09:57.29 | streuner | peterS: isn't there a free version of NFS for windows? |
| 09:57.38 | peterS | streuner: good question |
| 09:57.46 | lakerss | ok |
| 09:57.53 | lakerss | thanks |
| 09:58.24 | resiak | streuner: We said the same thing simultaneously. |
| 09:58.52 | streuner | resiak: i told him that before... ;-) |
| 09:58.59 | resiak | streuner: Okay, you win already :) |
| 09:59.05 | streuner | haha |
| 09:59.07 | lakerss | <PROTECTED> |
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| 10:02.09 | shekky | I need some serious help on how to load a script during boot up |
| 10:02.26 | streuner | peterS: i think it was on a french server, IIRC |
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| 10:03.02 | liable | I seem to be having problems patching kernels, which package could be the prob? |
| 10:03.27 | takatumi | vague vaguer vaguest. |
| 10:03.33 | streuner | liable: /msg dpkg patch |
| 10:03.51 | streuner | liable: and use the 'uncompressed version' of the factoid |
| 10:03.57 | shekky | I actually want to run a c program after the system boots up , but I cant , I wrote a file runit.sh inside it I wrote /bin/sh then set the MANPATH=/home/shek/ and then in a new line ; make foo and then foo |
| 10:04.06 | simonrvn | guess never occured it be be user problem... |
| 10:04.15 | supaman | oyh ... pizza dude is spamming people as they join the channel |
| 10:04.24 | takatumi | supaman: /topic |
| 10:04.24 | shekky | I then copied over the file to /etc/init.d and then symlinked it in rc3.d |
| 10:04.27 | simonrvn | supaman: /topic |
| 10:04.30 | supaman | doh |
| 10:04.33 | streuner | simonrvn: what's the french word for 'np'? |
| 10:04.33 | shekky | but when I boot up it doesnt run |
| 10:04.37 | liable | streuner: how do I get the uncompressed version |
| 10:04.50 | streuner | liable: just read the factoid (patch) |
| 10:04.55 | liable | ok |
| 10:05.08 | simonrvn | not sure if there's a shortened form, but usually it's 'pas d'probleme' or 'pas d'quoi' |
| 10:05.29 | simonrvn | (note i'm skipping vowels too ;) |
| 10:05.56 | streuner | simonrvn: pas d'probleme ;-) |
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| 10:06.04 | simonrvn | :) |
| 10:06.17 | resiak | shekky: Is it +x ? |
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| 10:06.51 | shekky | I wrote it as root and I did a chmod a+x runit.sh |
| 10:07.26 | shekky | resiak: do you think my script file syntax is correct? can I run commands as if I was on a console? |
| 10:07.27 | resiak | shekky: Why on earth did you put it in rc3.d rather than rc2.d ? |
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| 10:07.34 | candyban | Hi guys |
| 10:07.50 | shekky | a friend told me that would be a better choice , |
| 10:07.53 | liable | ok, thing is, I dont actually use the command 'patch', is 'apply' part of patch? |
| 10:07.57 | shekky | can I put it in both ? |
| 10:08.00 | candyban | Does anyone know how I can enable sub pixel rendering? I can hardly read anything on my screen |
| 10:08.01 | resiak | shekky: What version of Debian are you running? |
| 10:08.08 | resiak | shekky: And do you understand how runlevels work? |
| 10:08.12 | shekky | sarge 2.6.8-2-386 |
| 10:08.19 | peterS | liable: 'patch' is for applying patches |
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| 10:08.27 | shekky | resiak: no I dont this is the first time I am doing it |
| 10:09.06 | resiak | shekky: Google on runlevels. Debian runs in runlevel 2 by default so if you've put the script into rc3.d it just won't run at all. |
| 10:09.20 | liable | peterS: well I used to be able to apply the suspend2 patch, but now I cant, and all I do is type the path & /apply |
| 10:09.21 | shekky | ahh |
| 10:09.54 | streuner | liable: delete the whole folder and extract the stuff new |
| 10:09.56 | peterS | liable: I have no idea what you mean by "/apply". clearly you're doing something very different from what I am thinking of |
| 10:10.12 | candyban | shekky: grep default /etc/inittab ... there you'll see the default init your computer boots to |
| 10:10.27 | shekky | resiak: do you think that in my runit.sh file I can just say make foo and then foo in the next line to run the program? |
| 10:10.35 | streuner | liable: You CAN't apply the patch twice... |
| 10:10.39 | liable | streuner: this was from freshly unpacking both kernel-source and patch source, two kernels, two patches |
| 10:10.41 | resiak | shekky: Why on earth are you recompiling every time? |
| 10:10.46 | resiak | shekky: What are you trying to do? |
| 10:11.10 | liable | streuner: both failed |
| 10:11.19 | streuner | liable: what kind of patch is this? |
| 10:11.43 | liable | streuner: suspend2 for hibernating laptops |
| 10:11.59 | liable | streuner: funny thing is, it used to work |
| 10:12.23 | streuner | liable: and you're using vanilla source? |
| 10:12.23 | war- | When I select full screen with GQVIEW (I have a dual monitor + XINERAMA via GeForce 4800) it puts the picture in the middle of the two monitors, how do I fix this? |
| 10:12.34 | liable | streuner: nup debian |
| 10:12.42 | takatumi | liable: which kernel? |
| 10:12.55 | liable | takatumi: 2.6.10 2.6.11 |
| 10:13.01 | streuner | liable: *cough* just use vanilla source *cough* |
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| 10:13.17 | liable | streuner: whysthat |
| 10:13.36 | streuner | liable: less headaches? |
| 10:13.36 | takatumi | liable: the debian kernel-sources may already be patched, the vanilla kernel sources should be patched instead. |
| 10:14.10 | shekky | resiak: woops I am not trying to compile everytime, I just want my c and c++ program to run as soon as the system boots up , I am working on a project on a laptop that will be controlling motors, but once I turn the laptop on I want the motor control files to run automatically without me having to log in and leave it running, I want to leave it running all the time |
| 10:14.22 | liable | streuner: ok i'll try, but it worked once, thats why it has me stuffed |
| 10:14.29 | resiak | shekky: So why are you running make in your script? |
| 10:14.34 | takatumi | or try 2.6.12-rc?, remember reading something in the changelogs. |
| 10:15.02 | liable | streuner: if I dont use initrd, do I need to patch the vanilla kernels for anything else? |
| 10:15.42 | streuner | liable: why do you think initrd has something to do with patching? |
| 10:16.00 | takatumi | for 2.4, the cramfs patch may be needed. |
| 10:16.01 | streuner | liable: no idea, what you need to patch or not |
| 10:16.09 | liable | streuner: cramfs I meant, read somewhere about something to do with it |
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| 10:16.18 | streuner | liable: don't use initrd |
| 10:16.25 | liable | streuner: i dont |
| 10:16.27 | streuner | ok |
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| 10:17.44 | polok | I use fluxbox as my wm, and sometimes, some applications just refuse to take keystrokes, has anyone had a similar problem? |
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| 10:18.12 | takatumi | polok: checked bts? |
| 10:18.44 | polok | takatumi: bts? |
| 10:19.00 | takatumi | !tell polok -about bts |
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| 10:19.20 | streuner | !bts |
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| 10:19.20 | dpkg | [bts] the Bug Tracking System for Debian packages, http://bugs.debian.org/ or to go directly to the bug page for a particular package, try http://bugs.debian.org/packagename or anyone running unstable who's unable to check the BTS should be shot on sight. apt-get install reportbug, and check out querybts too. sid users, apt-get install apt-listbugs, or apt-get install apt-listchanges |
| 10:19.53 | polok | takatumi: ta :) |
| 10:20.38 | war- | Anyone have a favorite KDE image viewer for looking at lots of images? |
| 10:20.48 | streuner | gqview |
| 10:20.52 | shekky | resiak: I took make out |
| 10:20.58 | streuner | pornview |
| 10:20.59 | takatumi | pornview? |
| 10:21.00 | war- | streuner: _kde_ |
| 10:21.04 | chealer | is alioth down? |
| 10:21.07 | shekky | any other suggestions |
| 10:21.09 | streuner | war-: and? |
| 10:21.20 | chealer | war-: kview |
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| 10:21.25 | streuner | war-: you can use any GTK app in KDE as well |
| 10:21.26 | war- | streuner: I asked if anyone had a fave KDE image viewer, gqview doesnt work right w/XINERAMA in kde |
| 10:21.30 | war- | streuner: yes but ^^ above |
| 10:21.35 | SpamHog | apropos of nothing: have u seen how much $ M$ is giving to FLOSS websites to make itself heard? I find it rather marvelous. Nobody believes them anyway... |
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| 10:22.04 | Putiikki | kuickshow is good image viewer |
| 10:22.15 | war- | Putiikki: I am checking it out now btw |
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| 10:22.31 | paines | war-, gwenview |
| 10:22.46 | war- | paines: also nice but it crashed when I loaded a dir of 5000+ images (when I was scrolling through them) |
| 10:22.54 | war- | not stable :( |
| 10:22.59 | war- | using Debian Sarge btw. |
| 10:23.00 | paines | oh, good to know |
| 10:23.10 | paines | then kuickshow, like already suggested |
| 10:23.29 | streuner | !info kuickshow |
| 10:23.33 | dpkg | kuickshow: (KDE image/slideshow viewer), section graphics, is optional. Version: 4:3.3.2-1 (sid), Packaged size: 452 kB, Installed size: 856 kB |
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| 10:24.25 | liable | peterS: just out of interest, I suppose, when I use that 'apply' maybe a script in the patch itself calls patch? |
| 10:24.25 | idealbsd | I compile kernel with ` make-kpkg --initrd kernel_image kernel_headers`, but the kernel_headers package without dirs like:`arch,fs,ipc ...`, just `arch include`, how to compile kernel-headers package with those dirs? lib net |
| 10:24.42 | peterS | !ops ummm ... Pizza just sent me an onjoin spam |
| 10:24.43 | dpkg | Hydroxide, bob2, caphuso, dondelelcaro, doogie, eeyore-, ElectricElf, greycat, helix, ljlane, LoRez, mentor, Netsnipe, TML, walters, xk: ummm ... Pizza just sent me an onjoin spam |
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| 10:25.07 | streuner | idealbsd: what does 'dpkg -l libc6' say? (only the version) |
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| 10:25.23 | peterS | liable: my irc client froze over 10 minutes ago so I have lost all context |
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| 10:25.29 | peterS | bob2: thanks |
| 10:25.47 | idealbsd | streuner, ii libc6 2.3.2.ds1-20 GNU C Library: Shared libraries and |
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| 10:26.16 | liable | peterS: ok |
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| 10:26.17 | fl0w | Hello. I have this problem that I can't get a bigger resolution than 800x600. The thing is that my monitor supports it :\ |
| 10:26.23 | streuner | idealbsd: and you have the right kernel-headers installed? |
| 10:26.38 | takatumi | streuner: he's trying to make one. |
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| 10:26.47 | streuner | uhm |
| 10:26.59 | idealbsd | streuner, i use the same config file as office package |
| 10:27.39 | resiak | !drxx fl0w |
| 10:27.39 | dpkg | fl0w: dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xfree86 (as root) |
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| 10:28.26 | takatumi | idealbsd: looked at man make-kpkg? buildpackage maybe? |
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| 10:29.33 | liable | that factoid on patch hasnt helped, is there actually a 'patch' app, or what happens when you 'patch', what commands are actually used when you use it |
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| 10:29.59 | Putiikki | fl0w: did you use "simple" or "medium" monitor configuration? |
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| 10:30.08 | bob2 | yes, there's a program called patch |
| 10:30.10 | idealbsd | takatumi, thanks, i just use the office kernel package config then compile it with 'make-kpkg --initrd kernel_image kernel_headers' ;) |
| 10:30.12 | bob2 | why don't you just try it? |
| 10:30.24 | zwo | Hi, anybody familiar with darwinports on Mac OS X? |
| 10:30.37 | bob2 | zwo: this doesn't sound very Debian-related |
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| 10:30.54 | takatumi | idealbsd: there's also a lot of info in /usr/share/doc/kernel-package/README.headers |
| 10:31.10 | streuner | zwo: there is a channel for, i think, here in freenode |
| 10:31.17 | zwo | bob2, that's right, but it's more or less a "linux-related" thing |
| 10:31.19 | liable | bob2: well I apt-cache searched it and didnt see it, plus I dont actually use it directly, I was wondering if it maybe gets called in a script in the patch itself |
| 10:31.20 | fl0w | Putiikki, I used "advanced", but all I was able to choise was the hertz |
| 10:31.28 | zwo | Right streuner, but there's nobody ;-( |
| 10:31.33 | bob2 | zwo: #macosx or such, I guess |
| 10:31.39 | idealbsd | takatumi, ok, thanks |
| 10:31.41 | Putiikki | fl0w: try that "medium" one |
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| 10:31.52 | zwo | Even there is nobody familiar with this theme. |
| 10:32.00 | CerealVore | has anyone had any experience/luck installing debian on a cobalt raq4? |
| 10:32.07 | zwo | Ok. Not my day I think... |
| 10:32.10 | bob2 | zwo: just because approriate channels don't know about it doesn't mean it's on-topic here |
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| 10:32.19 | fl0w | But dpkg-reconfigure doesn't exist. |
| 10:32.22 | bob2 | CerealVore: is that the mipsel one? |
| 10:32.30 | fl0w | oops. forgot su |
| 10:32.35 | zwo | Going to lunch - nice day... |
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| 10:33.57 | slept | I'm trying to get 3d-acceleration to work, what is a good number of FPS for Radeon9200 with glxgears ? |
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| 10:34.38 | xukun_ | anybody here using dell inspiron 8200 laptop? |
| 10:34.55 | CerealVore | slept, probably around 1600 or above |
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| 10:35.08 | slept | thanks |
| 10:35.11 | drac | slept: 10203 frames in 5.0 seconds = 2180.600 FPS (RADEON 9250 with fglrx drivers) |
| 10:35.17 | CerealVore | i have a gf fx 5700le, that does 2250ish |
| 10:35.19 | streuner | xunkun_: /msg dpkg laptop |
| 10:35.21 | shekky | how can I renew my ip address in debian in a terminal? |
| 10:35.44 | CerealVore | but, hell, if you can actually get the catalyst drivers installed and working, kudos ;) |
| 10:35.48 | streuner | shekky: ifdown -a, ifup -a |
| 10:35.48 | shekky | ifconfig up doesnt do it |
| 10:35.59 | fl0w | Putiikki, what driver should i x server driver should I pic? |
| 10:36.01 | CerealVore | shekky, ifdown eth0; ifup eth0 |
| 10:36.18 | shekky | thx |
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| 10:36.26 | CerealVore | fl0w, what video card have you got? |
| 10:36.34 | streuner | pas 'd probleme |
| 10:36.35 | Putiikki | fl0w: what graphic card you have? |
| 10:36.47 | fl0w | erm, What x server driver should I pic.. Hm, Ati .. somewhat radion (laptop) |
| 10:37.15 | liable | doh, there is a patch program when I search....:( |
| 10:37.23 | Putiikki | fl0w: i think "vesa" should work |
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| 10:37.40 | fl0w | I have vesa currently. |
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| 10:37.50 | Putiikki | and it works? |
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| 10:39.03 | vague_ | hello. has anyone a registration key file for turboprint?? |
| 10:39.07 | M57KBA | Anyone there how knows how to install debian sarge source package |
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| 10:39.30 | streuner | vague_: go to #warez |
| 10:40.02 | streuner | M57KBA: apt-get -s package? |
| 10:40.06 | resiak | vague_: Buy the damned program, or complain to your printer manufacturer and sell your printer and get a better one. That's what I did. |
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| 10:40.50 | onemanarmy | halo |
| 10:41.00 | onemanarmy | first time for me to open xchat |
| 10:41.04 | PoolPool | hello guys |
| 10:41.09 | PoolPool | i need help |
| 10:41.09 | onemanarmy | any help plz :( |
| 10:41.16 | streuner | vague_: don't DCC Chat with me unless you are asking me! |
| 10:41.20 | cheal | onemanarmy: help with what? |
| 10:41.34 | onemanarmy | how could i join a channel for example? |
| 10:41.38 | resiak | onemanarmy: /join #foo |
| 10:41.46 | cheal | onemanarmy: try /join #xchat |
| 10:41.47 | PoolPool | how do i save the my iptable |
| 10:41.58 | vague_ | i need help , because i'm very new in irc too |
| 10:41.59 | PoolPool | how do i save the my iptables? |
| 10:42.12 | vague_ | how can i get connected to warez? |
| 10:42.18 | drac | hah |
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| 10:42.33 | onemanarmy | yo |
| 10:42.34 | linuxfreck | PoolPool: look into the iptables-save and -restore programs |
| 10:42.40 | cheal | vague_: go to debianwarez.com |
| 10:42.44 | streuner | vague: why do you think you need turboprint? |
| 10:42.54 | onemanarmy | i cant connect to any channel i want? |
| 10:43.04 | cheal | onemanarmy: why? |
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| 10:43.25 | liable | bah, no bugs for patch |
| 10:43.28 | supaman | onemanarmy: any channel that is on this server and you are allowed to connect to yes ... |
| 10:43.31 | onemanarmy | i mean i tried to join #egypt for example i couldnt |
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| 10:43.36 | onemanarmy | aha |
| 10:43.44 | onemanarmy | ur all debian urs? |
| 10:43.48 | onemanarmy | users |
| 10:43.52 | cheal | !ur |
| 10:43.53 | dpkg | Ur is the ancient Sumerian city that dominated Mesopotamia from 6000 BC to 600 BC. If you mean "you are" or "your", just say so. Also swedish for clock, and a swedish word meaning "from within". a german prefix for refering to something very old |
| 10:44.09 | streuner | onemanary: most people, why? |
| 10:44.10 | cheal | not sure debian existed when Ur existed |
| 10:44.18 | onemanarmy | :) it feel like home |
| 10:44.21 | jc-denton | whats a good way to get kde3.4 in debian sarge? |
| 10:44.27 | jc-denton | compile, inoffical binaries, etc? |
| 10:44.30 | cheal | jc-denton: ask #debian-kde |
| 10:44.31 | vague_ | streuner: the site doesn'T work |
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| 10:44.36 | jc-denton | ah thx cheal |
| 10:44.38 | jc-denton | part |
| 10:44.43 | jc-denton | lol err |
| 10:44.44 | resiak | vague_: Of course it bloody doesn't. BUY THE DAMNED THING |
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| 10:44.52 | streuner | jc-denton: what version of debian? |
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| 10:45.32 | PoolPool | tnx |
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| 10:47.27 | onemanarmy | i am thinking to write a program for the kde using qt |
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| 10:47.32 | onemanarmy | so any idea guys |
| 10:47.43 | onemanarmy | i wanted to write something like MS project |
| 10:48.01 | onemanarmy | planner is not that efficient and doesnt have much options |
| 10:48.55 | onemanarmy | i mean any of u miss some kind of programs in linux |
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| 10:49.08 | onemanarmy | except games ofcourse :)) |
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| 10:50.07 | resiak | onemanarmy: Well, for starters, learn to write stuff with Qt. Secondly, stop using <ENTER> as punctuation. Thirdly, why not try improving KPlan rather than starting from scratch. Yes, I do miss programs, but you don't feel like writing a multi-channel audio app that works, does sequencing and doesn't use non-standard controls, do you? |
| 10:50.26 | rob^ | qt? |
| 10:50.31 | rob^ | why qt? |
| 10:50.42 | resiak | !start a toolkit war |
| 10:50.43 | resiak | :( |
| 10:50.45 | jc-denton | is alioth down? |
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| 10:51.14 | rob^ | hmm |
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| 10:51.45 | onemanarmy | i already started writing some programs using QT |
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| 10:51.51 | Pihti | I think that it is not worth to argue about toolkits. |
| 10:52.41 | jc-denton | i mean alioth.debian.org |
| 10:53.07 | onemanarmy | any of u a QT developer? |
| 10:53.13 | jethro | !u |
| 10:53.14 | dpkg | Damnit Jim! It's YOU. Y-O-U. Not *U*. U is a letter. YOU is a word. See ne1, or wud. Dutch for 'you' (formal singular). See http://ars.userfriendly.org/cartoons/?id=20041201 |
| 10:53.37 | drac | again that userfriendly.org spam :/ |
| 10:53.51 | Pihti | onemanarmy: I suggest you to read QT documents first before coming to whine here |
| 10:53.55 | jethro | what do you mean? |
| 10:54.06 | drac | the link is dead, or spam these days. |
| 10:54.09 | onemanarmy | :)i already did |
| 10:54.30 | onemanarmy | why do i feel always that debian users are kind of furious and angry always |
| 10:54.33 | Pihti | onemanarmy: but why whine for qt developers? Perhaps you did not understand the QT docs? |
| 10:54.34 | onemanarmy | :) |
| 10:54.46 | resiak | onemanarmy: Because people come in here and whine at us for things which aren't our problem or which are solved by RTFMing |
| 10:54.58 | eriksul | onemanarmy: I have the same feeling |
| 10:54.59 | paulswm | !prize resiak |
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| 10:55.09 | resiak | :D |
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| 10:55.16 | onemanarmy | yes but i dont find it a bad thing to ask for help |
| 10:55.25 | Pihti | onemanarmy: we debian users (as I am) read first documents and howtos. |
| 10:55.45 | onemanarmy | i mean i search on google for days then the documentation then finally go to the debian user list |
| 10:55.47 | Pihti | then, when the problem seems not to be solvable by own brains we ask others. |
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| 10:56.05 | CerealVore | has anyone had any experience/luck installing debian on a cobalt raq4? |
| 10:56.09 | resiak | onemanarmy: Sure, go ask in #qt or #kde or whatever. Or use Google. Google is your friend. apt-cache search qt doc and you'll find tutorials in packages. apt-cache search gtk doc and so on. |
| 10:56.28 | doublehp | it looks like I have formatted the /var partition (cat /dev/zero > /dev/hda9); is there any way to rebuild it from /usr and /etc ? or shall I better reintall it all, now ? |
| 10:56.31 | EvanCarroll | dear sweet god, is this true, does the US now have an offical 'army game' |
| 10:56.34 | paulswm | onemanarmy: And then we google. I ask questions here only as a last resort, becuase I hate to waste anybody's time if I could have found the answer for myself |
| 10:56.49 | jethro | doublehp: you're not supposed to format partitions that way are you? |
| 10:56.52 | cheal | EvanCarroll: yep, a buggy one |
| 10:56.58 | EvanCarroll | ... |
| 10:57.02 | EvanCarroll | wow that is scarry |
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| 10:57.03 | cheal | EvanCarroll: and very propagandist |
| 10:57.14 | cheal | although that is expectable |
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| 10:57.18 | EvanCarroll | right |
| 10:57.20 | Pihti | the #debian channel is about general discussion, _not_ about programming. |
| 10:57.22 | onemanarmy | yes your right but why dont give someone an answer if u could |
| 10:57.29 | EvanCarroll | kind of socialist isn't it providing video games as a public service |
| 10:57.36 | aardvark | Pihti: and badgers. |
| 10:57.38 | doublehp | jethro: long story ... |
| 10:57.39 | jethro | Pihti: #debian is about debian support |
| 10:57.47 | Pihti | onemanarmy: because programming |
| 10:57.51 | cheal | EvanCarroll: haha. try it, you'll see what I mean by "propaganda" |
| 10:57.56 | jethro | doublehp: mkfs.* would do the job better |
| 10:58.00 | Pihti | jethro: yeah, debian support is what I mean |
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| 10:58.12 | cheal | EvanCarroll: it's for recruiting too |
| 10:58.32 | Pihti | if onemanarmy wants to program, so join a programmer channel, not a distro support channel |
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| 10:58.37 | debian | jethro: I thought this is a channel dedicated to worshiping me, no? :P |
| 10:58.48 | onemanarmy | in fact i didnt know which channel i was in |
| 10:58.54 | onemanarmy | first time for me to use xchat |
| 10:58.54 | jethro | heh |
| 10:59.02 | Pihti | onemanarmy: then you should read documents. |
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| 10:59.05 | toresbe | "The Official US Army Game" |
| 10:59.07 | onemanarmy | sorry anyway |
| 10:59.09 | toresbe | *puke* |
| 10:59.18 | CerealVore | bob2: no, it's the amd k6-2 one |
| 10:59.35 | Pihti | onemanarmy: many people here, although we are able to program, do not want to solve programmer or beginner programming problems |
| 10:59.41 | CerealVore | i wish it was a mips one, i'd be able to use the pre-prepared nfsroot setup stuff from sarge |
| 10:59.42 | doublehp | jethro: my point is that if had just done mkfs, I could have recover using advancde tools, what is now impossible => is there a way to rebuild /var an other way ? |
| 11:00.03 | jethro | doublehp: what are you trying to do precisely? |
| 11:00.07 | onemanarmy | so if thats the debian support channel i have a problem in installing my ATI card |
| 11:00.14 | onemanarmy | is that the right place or the wrong one? |
| 11:00.20 | cheal | !tell onemanarmy about ati |
| 11:00.28 | jethro | doublehp: sweep data so that it can't be recovered, then rebuild filesystems and install a system? |
| 11:00.34 | onemanarmy | i tired google and started installing the driver |
| 11:00.43 | onemanarmy | i just got stuck in a problem in the middle |
| 11:00.43 | eriksul | onemanarmy: now they hate you, and won't tell you anything... |
| 11:00.46 | doublehp | jethro: wanna know if using etc and usr, I can rebuild apt and dpkg trees of var |
| 11:00.50 | onemanarmy | :) |
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| 11:02.06 | drac | Pihti: That's crap these days. |
| 11:02.19 | eriksul | ah, it's so nice with a little nerd humour when you're struggling with some problem... |
| 11:02.33 | Pihti | drac: not at all. their drivers are crap on Linux |
| 11:02.40 | Pihti | drac: and pain to get working |
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| 11:02.59 | drac | Pihti: That's odd. I'm playing games like Doom 3 with my 9250 without any problems. |
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| 11:03.07 | manou_ | hi |
| 11:03.17 | Pihti | drac: some ati cards work, but many do not |
| 11:03.26 | Adrian | my 9800xt won't even let me play ut2k4 under linux but runs it great under windows |
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| 11:03.42 | manou_ | somebody can tell me how can i do a symbolic link from the directory to another, i mean ln -s . ./lib, but it doesnt work |
| 11:03.48 | CerealVore | heheh |
| 11:03.53 | CerealVore | paulswm, that's impossible |
| 11:04.03 | CerealVore | the linux catalyst drivers won't allow it to be simple and easy :P |
| 11:04.04 | peterS | manou_: ln -s {existing location} {location of link} |
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| 11:04.24 | Pihti | atis work with vesa driver without any accelerators |
| 11:04.34 | Pihti | I myself prefer matrox cards |
| 11:04.48 | Pihti | at least their acceleration works and picture is sharp like razor knife |
| 11:05.06 | paulswm | CerealVore: what I said, but simple is a function of not only the card but also understanding what you're doing :P |
| 11:05.08 | liable | Pihti: mine works with tha dri and the ati driver |
| 11:05.09 | CerealVore | i prefer voodoo3s ;) |
| 11:05.15 | manou_ | thanks peteS, i thought that i test this way too, but i dont' now it's works |
| 11:05.16 | manou_ | thanks |
| 11:05.17 | manou_ | bye |
| 11:05.23 | Pihti | liable: you are lucky |
| 11:05.26 | CerealVore | actually, if for a remotely modern card, i prefer the 3dlabs wildcat series |
| 11:05.33 | pingouin | manou_: i never understood this one ;) i always make the wrong way first... ;) |
| 11:05.44 | CerealVore | they actually have real linux support |
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| 11:05.55 | drac | or just use one-liner like.. *easy* wget http://url/to/ati/fglrx.rpm && alien fglrx.rpm && dpkg -i --force-overwrite fglrx.deb && cd /lib/modules/fglrx/build_mod && sh make.sh && cd .. && sh make_install.sh && modprobe fglrx && echo fglrx >> /etc/modules && fglrxconfig |
| 11:05.56 | peterS | CerealVore: too bad the wildcat linux driver is closed source and doesn't support kernel 2.6 |
| 11:06.12 | CerealVore | peterS, the 2.6 kernel driver is on its way |
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| 11:06.18 | peterS | CerealVore: nice to hear. where can I download it? |
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| 11:06.38 | jethro | heh |
| 11:06.44 | pingouin | ;) |
| 11:06.52 | pingouin | not time for fricadelle yet |
| 11:06.53 | peterS | CerealVore: technically they only support SuSE and Red Hat. or is debian support also "on its way"? |
| 11:06.57 | pingouin | croissants time ;) |
| 11:06.58 | eriksul | I must say, this is one crap support channel |
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| 11:07.19 | peterS | eriksul: thanks for letting us know how you feel. I'll try and remember never to answer any of your questions |
| 11:07.19 | jethro | pingouin: heh enjoy your breakfast |
| 11:07.31 | Malevolence | woohoo iv got xchat working on gnome! |
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| 11:07.37 | Pihti | Malevolence: so? |
| 11:07.46 | mindmime | how do I mount a parition that is NTFS ? |
| 11:07.47 | Malevolence | im useless at linux :D |
| 11:07.58 | eriksul | yeah, because so many other people get their questions answered here... |
| 11:08.00 | paulswm | eriksul: maybe I missed your question, I scrolled back over the last 17 minutes and didn't see one |
| 11:08.05 | eriksul | especially newbies |
| 11:08.22 | peterS | eriksul: please leave now. but in the future, if you want to get answers for free, it helps to be polite and something other than completely unwilling to learn anything on your own |
| 11:08.26 | Malevolence | and i did it myself... had errors with xkd but they seemed to have gone away |
| 11:08.28 | eriksul | scroll back another 20 minutes |
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| 11:08.57 | paulswm | eriksul: I have only been on for 17 minutes |
| 11:09.03 | paulswm | *sigh* |
| 11:09.08 | CerealVore | nope, but alien does a fine job ;) |
| 11:09.20 | jethro | paulswm: he asked about ipw2100 |
| 11:09.22 | onemanarmy | man ur completely right about learning on ur own and stuff |
| 11:09.27 | peterS | eriksul: I saw your question about ipw2100. if I had known the answer I would have told you |
| 11:09.31 | paulswm | mindmime: mount -t ntfs ... |
| 11:09.33 | eriksul | solved the problem on my own this time, but I've been here before with rude responses and elitist discussions |
| 11:09.34 | onemanarmy | but linux newbei like me sometimes need help |
| 11:09.38 | jethro | then said "nevermind my question" |
| 11:09.48 | onemanarmy | so why shouting and stuff its not a bad thing to ask for help i guess |
| 11:09.53 | InitMass | how do i get swedish keyboard support? when i was using gnome it worked but now in fluxbox it doesn't |
| 11:10.11 | peterS | eriksul: now. I demand you answer my question. why is xterm apparently not receiving the FocusChangeEvent NotifyPointer 'leave' event when it starts up under ion3? |
| 11:10.22 | jethro | hah |
| 11:10.34 | peterS | eriksul: if you don't know the answer, just ignoring me doesn't count. you refuse to give *us* that privilege without telling us we suck. |
| 11:10.34 | paulswm | onemanarmy: This is certainly the place to ask for help on specifically debian related stuff |
| 11:10.39 | jethro | peterS: because xterm is teh suck |
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| 11:10.54 | onemanarmy | yes thats what i did but no answer |
| 11:10.56 | eriksul | if I was a debian expert I would answer that |
| 11:11.05 | peterS | jethro: got a patch? I do. but my patch is a hack, and I want to understand how to fix xterm for real |
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| 11:11.20 | onemanarmy | i mean i wont ask for help if i could do it on my own i am not found of wasting others time |
| 11:11.30 | jethro | peterS: I was kidding, I have no idea what you're talking about :p |
| 11:11.31 | Pihti | onemanarmy: no one answers a non-clear question |
| 11:12.02 | hoe | how can I prevent specific static IP from access to outside world, tried iptables -A INPUT -s $HOST_LAN_IP -d ! $LAN_NET -j DROP //I'm quite a newbie to iptables |
| 11:12.17 | peterS | eriksul: actually you probably still wouldn't answer my question. it's not really about debian, it's about xterm and ion3, requires a lot of digging into the source code to discover, and probably isn't specific to debian. the point is, nobody knows all the answers and it's unfair of you to expect us to |
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| 11:12.32 | Pihti | hoe, route it to drop |
| 11:12.42 | hoe | Pihti: but dunno how |
| 11:12.44 | Pihti | hoe, it is just a route command |
| 11:12.46 | jethro | hoe: block it on the internal interface |
| 11:12.51 | Malevolence | to celibrate my glory of setting gnome and xchat up im going to have breakfast! |
| 11:12.58 | peterS | eriksul: as it happens, the ipw2100 driver is NOT EVEN IN DEBIAN AT ALL. at least my question pertains to software that *is*. |
| 11:12.58 | paulswm | onemanarmy: You stated something about installing an ATI driver and getting stuck in the middle. There's no way of answering that, really |
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| 11:13.14 | jethro | hoe: something like this : $FW -A INPUT -i $ETH_DEV -m state --state NEW,INVALID -j $NO |
| 11:13.16 | onemanarmy | well i am trying to install the ati driver packages |
| 11:13.22 | pingouin | Malevolence: you can also make us all a paypall transfert :) |
| 11:13.26 | jetx | my tabbuddy, my tabbuddy.. i take him everywere that i, go... my tabbuddy... |
| 11:13.40 | jethro | hoe: $FW being iptables, $ETH_DEV being the internal interface, and $NO being DROP |
| 11:13.41 | Pihti | Malevolence: do not shout here that you are an idiot |
| 11:13.45 | onemanarmy | when i typed the command dpkg -i fglrx-driver_8.10.19-2_arch.deb |
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| 11:13.52 | eriksul | i don't, but i do expect a civilized tone in the response (none of that: "read the fucking manual, n00b!" stuff"), and a simple "i don't know, maybe you should go to this channel here,..." would be nice |
| 11:13.52 | pingouin | Pihti: :) |
| 11:13.55 | onemanarmy | i got the following erorr message |
| 11:13.55 | Malevolence | heh u and me both no this triumph isnt THAT gr8 :P |
| 11:14.02 | pingouin | it's unfair ;) |
| 11:14.09 | onemanarmy | (Reading database ... 92955 files and directories currently installed.) |
| 11:14.10 | onemanarmy | Unpacking fglrx-driver (from fglrx-driver_8.10.19-2_i386.deb) ... |
| 11:14.10 | onemanarmy | dpkg-divert: `diversion of /usr/X11R6/lib/libGL.so.1.2 to /usr/share/fglrx/diversions/libGL.so.1.2 by fglrx-driver' clashes with `diversion of /usr/X11R6/lib/libGL.so.1.2 to /usr/share/fglrx/diversions/libGL.so.1.2 by fglrx-4.3.0-driver' |
| 11:14.10 | onemanarmy | dpkg: error processing fglrx-driver_8.10.19-2_i386.deb (--install): |
| 11:14.10 | onemanarmy | <PROTECTED> |
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| 11:14.12 | jethro | hoe: you can remove the various state related stuff if you don't use it |
| 11:14.30 | drac | d'oh |
| 11:14.31 | jetx | dpkg --force-help |
| 11:14.31 | eriksul | peterS: thank you, you keep confirming my view of the normal debian user |
| 11:14.41 | Pihti | *yaawn* oneanarmy, install the radeon driver and try that |
| 11:14.59 | pingouin | kiked |
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| 11:15.02 | eriksul | peterS: apt-get install ipw2100-source |
| 11:15.13 | peterS | eriksul: happy to enlighten you. this channel is for debian questions. you asked a question about software you couldn't get to work which ISN'T IN DEBIAN. why did you expect us to be able to help you? |
| 11:15.27 | onemanarmy | do u need any more info? |
| 11:15.37 | jetx | dpkg --force-help |
| 11:15.54 | Pihti | onemanarmy: man Xfree86Config-4 |
| 11:15.59 | jethro | eriksul: I m not trying to be unpleasant, but ipw2100/ipw2200 have a dedicated channel on freenode, #ipw2100 iirc, and wireless experts can be found at #wireless |
| 11:16.05 | hoe | jethro: still a little bit confusedm, seems it's not so easy and I will need to study iptables fully;; I still need the IP be able to use services on router and that sounds like to drop everyhing |
| 11:16.07 | onemanarmy | i did that |
| 11:16.24 | onemanarmy | i am using the ati open source driver which doesnt support 3D |
| 11:16.24 | peterS | eriksul: well, I know why you expected us to be able to help you. because you are incapable of discerning the difference between software that is in debian, and third-party software with an installer provided by debian 'contrib' for user convenience, but which debian can't support because it isn't free software |
| 11:16.26 | eriksul | jethro: thank you, see that's a helpful response right there! |
| 11:16.27 | jetx | you did? |
| 11:16.27 | jethro | hoe: want a sample script? |
| 11:16.42 | jethro | eriksul: you're welcome |
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| 11:17.06 | hoe | jethro: why not accept offered help, yes, ty |
| 11:17.17 | jethro | hoe: hold on a sec |
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| 11:17.26 | hoe | jethro: np, take your time |
| 11:17.30 | eriksul | peterS: again, you shouldn't be here, for the sake of debian's reputation |
| 11:17.39 | Pihti | onemanarmy: where you need 3d? normal 2d using does not need 3d for anything |
| 11:17.42 | peterS | eriksul: neither should you. #ipw2100 is ---> that way |
| 11:17.53 | jetx | eriksul: that was a moronic statement |
| 11:18.05 | onemanarmy | games |
| 11:18.10 | peterS | eriksul: as for me, I'll continue to answer people's questions about software I actually have any knowledge of. that excludes almost all software that isn't in debian. |
| 11:18.13 | eriksul | yeah, real friendly atmosphere in here |
| 11:18.18 | paulswm | eriksul: you were helped, why continue to bad mouth people? |
| 11:18.21 | paulswm | asshole |
| 11:18.41 | Pihti | onemanarmy: what says lspci -v for your card? |
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| 11:19.31 | jetx | is this where i can ask questions about software? i have a problem with my kernel, ntoskernel.exe... |
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| 11:19.45 | Pihti | jetx: ntoskernel my ass |
| 11:19.46 | onemanarmy | 0000:01:00.0 VGA compatible controller: ATI Technologies Inc RV350 [Mobility Radeon 9600 M10] (prog-if 00 [VGA]) |
| 11:19.47 | onemanarmy | <PROTECTED> |
| 11:19.47 | onemanarmy | <PROTECTED> |
| 11:19.47 | onemanarmy | <PROTECTED> |
| 11:19.47 | onemanarmy | <PROTECTED> |
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| 11:19.48 | peterS | jetx: rename it to ntoskrnl.exe and you might have better luck |
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| 11:20.12 | jetx | ah thankee peterS, as helpful as always |
| 11:20.12 | jethro | hoe: here's the sample script I use to start firewalling on a one legged host : http://www.ebat.org/~jethro/init.fw , hold on and I ll put another I use on a NAT box |
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| 11:20.24 | onemanarmy | before i got kicked again |
| 11:20.25 | peterS | jetx: see, ntoskrnl.exe is software I have used (: |
| 11:20.30 | onemanarmy | how could i send a long sentence |
| 11:20.34 | Pihti | onemanarmy: your card should work with radeon driver |
| 11:20.39 | jetx | !tell onemanarmy about paste |
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| 11:21.05 | jetx | you could also not hit the enter key |
| 11:21.20 | onemanarmy | i just paste then enter |
| 11:21.26 | onemanarmy | what should i do instead? |
| 11:21.34 | jetx | read the msg from dpkg |
| 11:21.48 | jetx | paste, take the <cr> out, paste again... |
| 11:22.08 | jethro | hoe: http://www.ebat.org/~jethro/init.fw.nat |
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| 11:23.46 | jetx | very interesting, tabbuddy... http://www.ebat.org/ |
| 11:23.56 | onemanarmy | i used that site to install the driver as i was told in the debian user list http://xoomer.virgilio.it/flavio.stanchina/debian/fglrx-installer.html#install |
| 11:23.57 | jethro | jetx: ~jethro/ has more stuff :) |
| 11:24.09 | onemanarmy | i reached step 4 then i got the error message i got before |
| 11:24.21 | onemanarmy | i mean which i already mentioned |
| 11:24.23 | hoe | jethro: wow, what a speed; gonna take a look immed., thank you indeed; will you be avail. in now on to ask additional q's? |
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| 11:24.48 | jethro | hoe: just ask when you have some, if I m here i ll answer, if not others might help |
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| 11:25.38 | jetx | i need a new desk, i'm getting pains :( |
| 11:25.39 | hoe | jethro: right ;) |
| 11:26.12 | feng | Does debian has a strong support team ? |
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| 11:26.26 | paster | "onemanarmy" at 62.139.82.126 pasted "Selecting previously deselecte" (12 lines) at http://channels.debian.net/paste/14 |
| 11:26.26 | jethro | jetx: would you like to be part of the devnull webring too? |
| 11:26.29 | feng | I mean,how many people are in the Debian core team ? |
| 11:26.54 | peterS | feng: 964 |
| 11:26.58 | jethro | jetx: we have special offers for tabbuddies |
| 11:27.07 | feng | peterS, no joke ? |
| 11:27.25 | peterS | feng: 964 developers with direct upload access, that is. a lot fewer than that have other kinds of access, a lot more than that work on package development at all |
| 11:27.26 | jetx | i would, but like many things i wanna do, i don't have the time :( and i mean that sincerely |
| 11:27.34 | cheal | feng: this isn't really a support team, though |
| 11:27.38 | jethro | jetx: heh |
| 11:27.44 | peterS | feng: right, as for 'support team' |
| 11:27.59 | peterS | feng: ...there really isn't one at all. just a bunch of us who sit on irc and on mailing lists for no particular reason |
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| 11:28.09 | Pihti | Although this is not debian-spesific, what could be problem with 2.6.11.8 and trident framebuffer? with 2.4.30 it works fine, but with same arguments to 2.6.x it just gets the screen about immediately to power saving state... ? |
| 11:28.30 | peterS | feng: most of us in here, btw (including myself) are *not* among the 964 developers |
| 11:28.40 | feng | peterS, it sounds like it's totally different from what it is in Fbsd world |
| 11:29.26 | Pihti | but still the system wakes up and X starts without problems at all |
| 11:29.34 | peterS | feng: quite different. for one thing, in freebsd, the developers actually write a lot of the core software. in debian, we write very little of it, most of it comes from other sources like the linux kernel people or the GNU project |
| 11:30.13 | peterS | feng: the job of debian developers is to integrate third-party software. in freebsd that's true of the ports tree, but the core of the distribution is directly maintained by the freebsd team |
| 11:31.01 | feng | I see :) |
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| 11:32.23 | peterS | feng: well, there are a *few* packages written and maintained directly by debian developers. but not nearly on the same scale as what they have in BSD |
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| 11:32.43 | jimmyy | Bonjour |
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| 11:32.51 | jetx | !fr |
| 11:32.51 | dpkg | Les personnes qui parlent francais et qui ont besoin d'une aide a propos de Debian peuvent venir sur #debian-fr - People speaking french and in need of support for debian, please join #debian-fr |
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| 11:33.02 | jimmyy | thanks |
| 11:33.13 | jetx | de nada :) |
| 11:33.45 | drac | Pihti: where did you get 2.6.11.8?! |
| 11:33.52 | feng | peterS, understood,thanks for the info. |
| 11:33.57 | jetx | kernel.org? |
| 11:34.02 | cheal | Pihti must be bleeding edge |
| 11:34.22 | drac | jetx: The latest stable version of the Linux kernel is: 2.6.11.7 |
| 11:34.23 | rob^ | its in sid |
| 11:34.38 | rob^ | well, not .8 |
| 11:34.41 | jetx | only .7 on kernel.org |
| 11:34.46 | Pihti | drac, error in my brain (saw it on kernel.org), I am using 2.6.11.7 |
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| 11:35.02 | Pihti | drac, *scratches his head and gets sticks under fingernail* |
| 11:35.19 | cheal | sid has 2.6.11.6 |
| 11:35.21 | jetx | 2.6.12-rc2-mm2 |
| 11:35.27 | hoe | jethro: in init.fw seems like we're dropping everything except mentioned ones, which we explicitely allow |
| 11:35.29 | rob^ | thats it |
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| 11:35.34 | onemanarmy | by the way i have somehow a strange question |
| 11:35.43 | jethro | hoe: that's how firewalling is supposed to be implemented |
| 11:35.44 | onemanarmy | why i dont see many girls or women use debian |
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| 11:35.53 | onemanarmy | linux in general |
| 11:36.00 | jetx | onemanarmy: get real |
| 11:36.06 | Pihti | The kernel is not Debian standard, I took the sources from kernel.org and compiled it debian way |
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| 11:36.37 | hoe | jethro: obvious :) ;; gonna take a look at nating one |
| 11:36.45 | Pihti | onemanarmy: stop shouting your idiocy here |
| 11:36.45 | onemanarmy | really its strange its like seeing an alien if u saw a women who is a unix administrator or something |
| 11:36.54 | onemanarmy | :( |
| 11:37.24 | jetx | not really, there are more than you think, maybe they just don't advertise |
| 11:37.40 | jethro | hoe: the .nat one lacks rules for the internal interface to fit your need, just copy the one used for the external, and add -s <IP> to deal with your static IPs |
| 11:37.40 | eriksul | yes, she would be as ugly as an alien... |
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| 11:37.50 | jetx | no, not really |
| 11:38.02 | jetx | i'm thinking of examples, so no. |
| 11:38.03 | hoe | jethro: yup |
| 11:38.07 | cheal | onemanarmy: http://www.ibiblio.org/pub/Linux/docs/HOWTO/other-formats/html_single/Encourage-Women-Linux-HOWTO.html |
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| 11:38.28 | jethro | hoe: btw, you need specific modules for the -m state and --state-stuff to work |
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| 11:38.55 | jetx | !coffee |
| 11:38.55 | dpkg | from memory, coffee is the reason the net exists, or the drug of choice for a GNU generation, or http://www.chez.com/emarsden/downloads/coffee.el, or /usr/share/doc/HOWTO/en-html/mini/Coffee.html, or geiseri's favorite beverage, or smells better than it tastes |
| 11:39.06 | jethro | hoe: CONFIG_IP_NF_MATCH_STATE on 2.4 |
| 11:39.34 | jetx | we can get you started liable ... /me whips out carving knife |
| 11:40.32 | onemanarmy | that site is really nice |
| 11:40.32 | jethro | liable: just bleed from between the legs once a month and spend a lot of cash |
| 11:40.32 | onemanarmy | i will let my sister read it :) |
| 11:40.32 | liable | jetx: nah just want boobs really! |
| 11:40.38 | paulswm | Take estrogen then |
| 11:40.39 | hoe | jethro: using debian's distribution kernel config /from 2.6.9/ on 2.6.10 + some more stuff to fit my needs, I suppose it's there by default |
| 11:41.01 | cheal | onemanarmy: "This document is intended mainly for the male Linux enthusiast who would like to see more women involved in Linux. " but it can be red by women too |
| 11:41.02 | Flawless | is pkg-kde.alioth.debian.org == people.debian.org? |
| 11:41.03 | jethro | hoe: grep MATCH /boot/config-$(uname -r) :) |
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| 11:41.11 | cheal | Flawless: no |
| 11:41.14 | liable | you guys need to get a sense of humour |
| 11:41.16 | jetx | hoe: whey you make config, /boot/config-'uname -r' is automagically used as a base |
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| 11:41.25 | cheal | Flawless: it is down, though |
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| 11:41.29 | paulswm | liable: I thought we *were* joking |
| 11:41.32 | Flawless | cheal: ok, thanks |
| 11:41.35 | hoe | jetx: oh, didn't know, ty |
| 11:41.36 | Flawless | cheal: any more info on that? |
| 11:41.37 | jetx | liable: i'll even clean the little bits or rust off first |
| 11:41.47 | jetx | see i can joke |
| 11:41.52 | cheal | Flawless: no, I asked myself why one hour ago without answer |
| 11:42.06 | Flawless | cheal: ok, I'll just wait - thanks |
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| 11:42.50 | jetx | ah hey. what's with this weird stuff in console... i type ` and it doesn't show up until i hit the spacebar? |
| 11:43.19 | jetx | i think ~ does the same |
| 11:43.43 | paulswm | Works OK on my sarge console |
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| 11:44.07 | jetx | sid, and it started doing that a week or so ago |
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| 11:44.47 | jetx | maybe it's my console-data or locales |
| 11:45.01 | hoe | jethro: lots of MATCH ones compiled in, about 20, only 3 not:SCTP,COMMENT,HASLIMIT so it includes what I need |
| 11:45.09 | jetx | i get weird ncurses in console also, looks fine in xterm |
| 11:45.11 | jethro | hoe: cool |
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| 11:46.57 | hoe | btw. when using make-kpkg to build the kernel pkg, and having the need of including some additional module/o' to this way built kernel |
| 11:47.01 | hoe | vr |
| 11:47.19 | jetx | make-kpkg --targets |
| 11:47.44 | eriksul | you've probably seen this one (at the bottom of the page): http://arstechnica.com/columns/linux/linux-20050102.ars/2 |
| 11:47.53 | hoe | Is there a way not to do make-kpkg clean at not compiling what alredy is compiled, just compile the new thing and gzip the kernel ? |
| 11:48.14 | hoe | and build the pkg, off course |
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| 11:48.39 | jetx | he means can he only recompile the borked stuff if anybody needs a translation |
| 11:49.15 | jethro | hoe: if you build stuff in modules/ you don't compile anything in kernel-source-$(uname -r) |
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| 11:49.26 | cheal | eriksul: hehe, I didn't |
| 11:49.38 | jethro | hoe: I assume you're talking about the various foo-source such as ipw2200 nvidia, etc.. |
| 11:49.47 | hoe | jethro: no, no |
| 11:49.59 | hoe | once again, more consistently |
| 11:50.13 | eriksul | i think quite a few of the guys here haven't |
| 11:50.32 | eriksul | or aliens/girls |
| 11:50.34 | jetx | what i don't like about being your tabbuddy is trying to figure out if they're really meaning to type @ me :) |
| 11:51.19 | jethro | jetx: are you saying you no longer want to be my tabbuddy? :'( |
| 11:51.19 | jetx | no i was pointing out the only downside |
| 11:51.37 | jethro | heh |
| 11:51.45 | liable | wtf is a tabbuddy? |
| 11:52.00 | jethro | liable: someone whose nick start with the same letters as yours |
| 11:52.06 | jetx | you've seen the 'my buddy' commercials for a while ago, right? |
| 11:52.09 | jethro | liable: then everyone screws up with tab completion |
| 11:52.16 | jetx | man dolls |
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| 11:52.26 | cheal | eriksul: the channel is a rather complex environment. and very crowded. very easy to jump to such conclusions |
| 11:52.31 | liable | oh thanks, here I was thinking unpure thoughts again |
| 11:52.36 | jethro | heh |
| 11:53.03 | liable | heh |
| 11:53.03 | eriksul | believe me, i'm not jumping to anything, it's been experienced first-hand |
| 11:53.10 | jetx | lies |
| 11:53.18 | hoe | configured the kernel, compiled via make-kpkg --revision=blah kernel_image, now I want to add e.g. support for wireless cards, so configured to include this and I suppose there's smarter way /of not compiling what is already compiled/ than `make-kpkg clean; make-kpkg --revision=blah kernel_image` , isn't it? |
| 11:53.30 | jetx | that --revision thing is gay |
| 11:53.34 | jetx | oopps |
| 11:53.36 | hoe | :) |
| 11:53.40 | jetx | i mean fey |
| 11:54.06 | jetx | or did i mean... ahhh guey |
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| 11:54.38 | shingouz | hoe: i guess it is not --revision but --append-to. check the manpage, i'll turn myself off for a few hours ;) |
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| 11:54.56 | jetx | --revision is in the example |
| 11:55.02 | jetx | i just never tried it |
| 11:55.13 | jetx | there is also --append-to-version |
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| 11:55.25 | shingouz | that was the one i was thinking about. |
| 11:55.49 | hoe | shingouz: --revision and --append to are 2 different things, you use --append-to if you want to have 2 kernels of the same version on the system, --revision is just blah string to identify |
| 11:56.05 | jetx | man kernelpkg.conf and kernel-img.conf someday |
| 11:56.31 | jetx | err kernel-pkg.conf |
| 11:56.34 | shingouz | i know that, that is why i like to use the revision on the kernels i make here, easier to identify them |
| 11:56.34 | holorad | hi got a problem: logged in in tty3 which does not react any more, cant exit, type etc. how to "restart" the console without reboot? thx |
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| 11:57.03 | cheal | holorad: did you try clear? |
| 11:57.18 | shingouz | or reset |
| 11:57.19 | holorad | cheal: no effect |
| 11:57.19 | jetx | isn't there a 'reset' also |
| 11:57.22 | jetx | jinx |
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| 11:57.25 | cheal | holorad: Ctrl+L |
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| 11:57.39 | holorad | cheal: no effect again |
| 11:57.55 | holorad | it seems like it is freezed |
| 11:58.37 | jetx | reset didn't work eh |
| 11:58.57 | jetx | as in type it and hit enter even though you can't see it on screen |
| 11:58.59 | cheal | yep reset is better than clear |
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| 11:59.20 | holorad | jetx: no, reset didnt work |
| 11:59.32 | Supaplex | shingouz: /etc/init.d/sleep start |
| 11:59.33 | jetx | new one to me then |
| 11:59.34 | holorad | I guess I have to reboot |
| 11:59.41 | hoe | holorad: `ps -AH |grep -E 'tty3.*getty'` and than `kill -SIGTERM $PID_FOUND`, new getty will start autom. |
| 11:59.44 | jetx | or just use another console? |
| 12:00.00 | jetx | or do what hoe just typed even better maybe |
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| 12:00.22 | celukenn | who knows from where i can download xchat for linux slackware on kernel 2.6.11? |
| 12:00.32 | jetx | xchat.org |
| 12:00.55 | hoe | celukenn: mayb. linuxpackages.net that's source of compiled pkgs for slack as far as I know |
| 12:01.10 | Supaplex | celukenn: seeins as how you're in #debian the answer is also install debian, then apt-get install xchat =) |
| 12:01.19 | celukenn | :) |
| 12:01.30 | hoe | hehe |
| 12:01.42 | celukenn | well i found some pkg but only for fedora 2.4.3 |
| 12:02.01 | celukenn | i have apt-get |
| 12:02.32 | cheal | celukenn: this is a support channel for debian, not APT |
| 12:02.34 | hoe | holorad: or better SIGKILL |
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| 12:02.59 | jetx | ooo daylight |
| 12:03.07 | streuner | jetx: J-E-T-S-R-E-A-M-E-R.... !! |
| 12:03.09 | jetx | just compile it |
| 12:03.22 | jetx | <S>treuner-------------------> |
| 12:03.29 | streuner | :-) |
| 12:03.30 | jetx | !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!1 |
| 12:03.30 | dpkg | 1 |
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| 12:03.42 | drac | dpkg: 2 |
| 12:03.44 | dpkg | It's TO, not '2'. This is not l33t3 sp34k nor is this AOL. |
| 12:03.48 | jetx | !3 |
| 12:03.48 | dpkg | it has been said that 3 is the news item that i would like to read |
| 12:03.51 | takatumi | !ep |
| 12:03.52 | dpkg | Stop!!! Using!!!! So!!!!! Much!!!!! Punctuation!!!!!!!!!!! It's ..... Irritating ..... As ..... All .... Hell!!!!!!!!!!! |
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| 12:04.49 | celukenn | how : checking for linuxpackages.net |
| 12:04.53 | _joey | dpkg shush |
| 12:04.53 | dpkg | Fine, I'll shut up. |
| 12:05.03 | celukenn | hoe : checking for linuxpackages.net |
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| 12:05.27 | holorad | hoe: Had to change your command to `ps aux|grep -E 'tty3'` to get the pid |
| 12:05.37 | holorad | hoe thx :-) it worked |
| 12:05.51 | streuner | jetx: ever saw torsmo? |
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| 12:07.18 | hoe | holorad: mayb, I was writing what I can remember, didn't test it ;; -E param is that the 'string' to search for will be regular expression, in your variant you just could use |grep tty3 |
| 12:08.56 | celukenn | hoe:xchat 2.3.4 is the newest version? |
| 12:09.12 | hoe | celukenn: dunno, sry, using irssi |
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| 12:09.26 | streuner___ | !info xchat |
| 12:09.32 | dpkg | xchat: (IRC client for X similar to AmIRC), section net, is optional. Version: 2.4.1-0.1 (sid), Packaged size: 258 kB, Installed size: 688 kB |
| 12:09.41 | streuner___ | celukenn: you are using sarge? |
| 12:09.47 | streuner___ | !info xchat sarge |
| 12:09.50 | hoe | streuner___: slack-er ;) |
| 12:09.51 | holorad | hoe: well thx again :-) |
| 12:10.08 | hoe | streuner___: on #debian moreover ;P |
| 12:10.17 | dpkg | xchat: (IRC client for X similar to AmIRC), section net, is optional. Version: 2.4.1-0.1 (sarge), Packaged size: 258 kB, Installed size: 688 kB |
| 12:10.30 | streuner___ | install debian then |
| 12:11.01 | hoe | streuner___: not me the slack-er, celukenn is the one :) |
| 12:11.26 | celukenn | yes |
| 12:11.27 | celukenn | :) |
| 12:11.46 | celukenn | people say the slackware is not good as a server |
| 12:12.02 | cheal | oh no |
| 12:13.02 | celukenn | is not ? |
| 12:13.15 | streuner___ | !start a distro war |
| 12:13.15 | liable | celukenn: and you want us to deny that? |
| 12:13.15 | dpkg | Rock is stupid! |
| 12:13.35 | Supaplex | distro, no genre! |
| 12:13.42 | Supaplex | not* |
| 12:13.50 | cheal | celukenn: ask ##slackware. we #debian folks are already all convinced that slackware is The distro for servers, so no need to troll |
| 12:14.33 | Supaplex | cheal, uh did I read that right? |
| 12:14.34 | hoe | celukenn: I started on #debian years ago, not knowing about linux anything, it was a hard work, but when lately tried anything else it was all just 'brrrr' :) |
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| 12:14.59 | cheal | Supaplex: hehe, I'm making lots of concessions to avoid more trolling |
| 12:15.26 | hoe | s/#debian/debian/ :) |
| 12:15.34 | celukenn | you know Lion-O from #linux on undernet ? |
| 12:15.38 | streuner___ | hoe: well, many thing changed the last years. |
| 12:15.52 | celukenn | he said: ' who the hell recomended slackware as a server' |
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| 12:16.21 | celukenn | he sadi : on slackware when you try to update you only mess up the system |
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| 12:17.15 | Nijan | Why this channel didn't changed to ##debian ? |
| 12:17.27 | Supaplex | because, that's why |
| 12:17.49 | liable | cheal: ? |
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| 12:18.14 | cheal | liable: I've said sarcastic things recently, so ignore me if you don't understand |
| 12:18.48 | jetx | lies |
| 12:18.52 | jetx | all lies |
| 12:19.20 | cheal | liable: sorry |
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| 12:19.46 | jetx | Nijan: must be official eh |
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| 12:20.11 | jetx | or maybe it's.... SATAN??? |
| 12:20.17 | hoe | streuner_: yup, nowadays same results can be made really faster, in the time I was starting no household in my country could think of internet connection, expect crazy expensive dial-up, as well as thing inside distro have really changed |
| 12:20.41 | drac | seems like sunday.. but it's not.. or is it.. |
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| 12:20.57 | jetx | sat/sun.. what the diff |
| 12:21.21 | liable | drac: only two hours too go here, but im in sunday mode already |
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| 12:21.30 | jetx | wb streuner |
| 12:21.36 | drac | that could explain it:) |
| 12:21.48 | cheal | hey buzzzz |
| 12:21.49 | liable | drac: bah |
| 12:21.52 | streuner__ | jetx: thanks |
| 12:22.19 | streuner__ | jetx: ever tried torsmo? |
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| 12:23.43 | streuner__ | jetx: http://themes.freshmeat.net/screenshots/53036/56944/ |
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| 12:25.18 | streuner | jetx: i got that working, but i need it in Celsius not Fahrenheit |
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| 12:29.12 | streuner | jetx: http://weather.yahoo.com/forecast/USTX0617.html |
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| 12:29.39 | buzzzz | cheal: hi |
| 12:29.53 | streuner | jetx: its pretty warm in TX :-) |
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| 12:30.12 | liable | drac: im always an idiot, so I suppose I'm living in a perpetual sunday... :) |
| 12:30.16 | Eclipser | ... I'm never going to buy an ATI card again... they just can't make proper drivers... well, at least drivers that would COMPILE, damn it |
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| 12:30.34 | cheal | buzzzz: are you using...buzz? :D |
| 12:30.47 | FieldySnuts | @hump hoe |
| 12:30.57 | buzzzz | cheal: not yet :) |
| 12:31.14 | cheal | buzzzz: ah, think about upgrading then :) |
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| 12:34.09 | buzzzz | cheal: not for my purposes |
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| 12:36.05 | AngelG | is it possible to scan my network for all the MAC addresses? i have some machines that are on diffrent subnets, and i can't get nmap to see them |
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| 12:37.58 | linuxfreck | AngelG: you can use arpping |
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| 12:38.17 | linuxfreck | but you can't really scan the whole 2^48 mac address space |
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| 12:39.30 | sml | AngelG: use arpwatch |
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| 12:39.57 | tombs | hi everyone |
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| 12:40.47 | Andrea | hallo |
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| 12:40.51 | sml | Andrea: HALLO |
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| 12:40.59 | sml | ciao people |
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| 12:41.25 | streuner | asuffield: for what was this for? |
| 12:42.50 | AngelG | what's the diffrence between arping and arpwatch? |
| 12:43.49 | sml | AngelG: arpwatch sniffs arp broadcasts and emails you of all the mac's and then notifies you of any ip changes on that mac. |
| 12:43.54 | Andrea | bye |
| 12:43.55 | sml | AngelG: run first time it will do what you want |
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| 12:45.33 | streuner | asuffield, jetx: do you have me on your ignore-list? :-) |
| 12:45.40 | liable | streuner: bang harder, it will come to you ... :) |
| 12:45.52 | streuner | liable: :-P |
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| 12:46.50 | streuner | seems everyone watching the wedding |
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| 12:47.12 | liable | streuner: what old chuckles? |
| 12:47.14 | MjoLLnER_ | net/policy.shtml#channelownership . It's |
| 12:47.16 | MjoLLnER_ | <PROTECTED> |
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| 12:47.52 | SiliconViper | Huzzah! |
| 12:47.58 | SiliconViper | Enlightenment DR17pre + Debian! |
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| 12:49.38 | streuner | is 'e' 17 even in debian? |
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| 12:50.56 | green_earz | streuner: which wedding bush and blair ? so nice |
| 12:51.08 | streuner | hehe |
| 12:51.18 | liable | e17? they split up ages ago...... :P |
| 12:51.51 | liable | sorry, too many beers |
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| 12:52.01 | streuner | some time ago, you need in order to get the source of e17 an account... |
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| 12:52.38 | Virtual | I downloaded bittornado & bittorrent with apt-get and I downloaded a .torrent key but how do I start the download? |
| 12:52.58 | darxeth | Virtual: btdownloadcurs .... |
| 12:53.19 | darxeth | Virtual: btdownloadcurses [file path] |
| 12:53.32 | darxeth | or RTFM :) |
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| 12:53.47 | liable | Virtual: what desktop or whatever are you using |
| 12:53.55 | green_earz | Virtual: are you behind a router ? |
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| 12:55.02 | Virtual | liable: kde |
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| 12:55.46 | Virtual | green_earz: dunno for sure, I was on windows until about 1 month when I switched to linux and on windows downloading torrents worked but right before they wouldn`t connect anymore |
| 12:55.54 | Virtual | darxeth: from console ? |
| 12:56.32 | sml | Virtual: are you using iptables ? |
| 12:56.37 | green_earz | Virtual: apt-get > bittornado-gui and to fire it up > /usr/bin/btdownloadgui |
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| 12:57.10 | Alleria | what's remstats-bintools and why is there a security upgrade? |
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| 12:57.42 | William_Kidd | is there any way to return from sid to testing? |
| 12:57.51 | cheal | !sid->testing |
| 12:57.55 | liable | Virtual: well you need to associate bittorent with .bittorent files. Go into kde control panel and set kde to use bittorent when you click on those files |
| 12:57.57 | cheal | oops |
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| 12:58.19 | cheal | !sid->sarge |
| 12:58.26 | Zrin | i'm getting "base system installation error" / debootstrap exited with error 1 - (sarge rc3) - log reads: setting up base-config / Out of memory / dpkg: error processing base-config. there are 128 MB RAM and pleanty of HD space |
| 12:58.37 | Zrin | what shall i check first? |
| 12:59.01 | cheal | dpkg: sid->sarge |
| 12:59.02 | dpkg | i heard sid->sarge is a very bad idea |
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| 12:59.54 | Zrin | SOS! |
| 13:00.04 | abrocadabro | Zrin: what does free say? |
| 13:00.10 | Zrin | moment |
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| 13:01.09 | BadMan | need some help gents, I have fought this thing for 2 days and can't sem to get it right: API mismatch: the NVIDIA kernel module is version 1.0.7167, but this X module is version 1.0.7174.this X module is version 1.0.7174. |
| 13:01.19 | green_earz | Virtual: do you have a ethernet connection to a modem. and if so is that modem a router ? |
| 13:01.54 | Virtual | green_earz: nope, my connection is LAN type ... through cable |
| 13:02.03 | Zaoo | BadMan: have you've tried to rerun the installer for the drivers? |
| 13:02.14 | Zrin | abrocadabro: mem tot 111176 used 102460 free 8716 shared 0 buff 13124 |
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| 13:02.33 | Zrin | abrocadabro: swap 730948 used 18024 free 712924 |
| 13:02.41 | Zrin | enough swap space |
| 13:02.43 | BadMan | Zaoo: yes even downloaded the older 1.0.7167 nVidia drivers and ran it, they build successfully.. but nothing seems to work |
| 13:02.47 | cheal | isn't the factoid sid->sarge misleading? |
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| 13:03.08 | stew | no |
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| 13:03.14 | stew | !downgrade |
| 13:03.15 | dpkg | from memory, downgrade is not possible with apt-get currently. No future support is anticipated. Some programs change the binary format of their files in a way that cannot be rolled back later. If you find you want to try going from unstable/testing => stable, then read http://www.debianplanet.org/node.php?id=880 or The Debian Reference Section 6.2.7, or http://people.debian.org/~osamu/downgrade.html |
| 13:03.41 | cheal | oh yeah, that's better |
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| 13:04.02 | cheal | dpkg: no, sid->sarge is something you shouldn't count on, or ask me about downgrade |
| 13:04.02 | dpkg | okay, cheal |
| 13:04.03 | abrocadabro | Zrin: are you installing sarge from scratch? |
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| 13:05.02 | Virtual | I have alot of ports closed from my ISP, if I change the ports to bittornado to 6660-7000 will it download anything >? |
| 13:05.38 | darxeth | Virtual: why your isp closed some of your ports? |
| 13:05.45 | Zrin | abrocadabro: yes |
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| 13:06.11 | Virtual | darxeth: it closed alot of them, he sayd because of viruses all over the network and excesive downloading with p2p clients from all the network |
| 13:06.14 | liable | Virtual: what do you mean your your isp has closed your ports? |
| 13:06.16 | Zrin | abrocadabro: netinst cd |
| 13:06.53 | Zrin | abrocadabro: i have to install it today :-/ |
| 13:07.03 | green_earz | Virtual: reason being is that if you are behind a fire wall you need to open the ports for bittoren to work at it best. when you fire up /usr/bin/btdownloadgui look in the advance part on the gui to find out what the client port are set to. and if you have a firewall open them ports |
| 13:07.04 | darxeth | Virtual: thats not a motive for your isp to close your ports, are you sure its your isp not your network admin !? |
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| 13:08.08 | AngelG | How can i find the MAC addresses of my switches? |
| 13:08.14 | Virtual | darxeth: it`s the main admin from the ISP, I know him and I asked him about this... |
| 13:09.35 | darxeth | Virtual: wierd... anyways if you are trying to immegrate from windows to linux, i rather you NOT download the gui bittorrent, cause you should get along with the none gu interfaces... |
| 13:09.36 | Virtual | green_earz: I don`t have no firewall on my computer |
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| 13:10.13 | netcraft_ | pOLice, is spambot |
| 13:10.29 | Virtual | darxeth: I didn`t express my self correctly, i`m quite familiar with linux cause I use it on my server at my shell company (actually it`s freebsd there) but i`ve administrated alot of unix basesd servers |
| 13:10.32 | darxeth | Virtual: if you've downloaded bittornado, just use the terminal to type btdownloadcurses [file path] , you can add something like max_uploads or max_upload-rate -13 or whatever before it |
| 13:10.42 | Virtual | but this is the first time I`m using linux for my desktop |
| 13:11.03 | darxeth | Virtual: oh, if that so, then suit yourself |
| 13:11.07 | BadMan | I just dont understand how my nvidia moule got updated without me downloading it and changing it? I left the comp off for a few days for "power" issues where I live it, when they were resolved, I booted, everything wsa fine. Done a apt-get update, then I did apt-get upgrade, I read the name of each and every pkg(125) before I answered yes, and nothing related to the nvidia kernel or nvidia drivers... |
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| 13:11.18 | green_earz | Virtual: have a look at seting up shorewall for you fire wall. becaues when you are bittorenting you ip will get batterd with port scran and DOS attacks |
| 13:12.02 | green_earz | Virtual: you can configure shorewall from webmin |
| 13:12.46 | crashbg | what is the best firewall for debian? |
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| 13:12.55 | Virtual | yeah I know... haven`t tought yo set it up thow |
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| 13:13.42 | abrocadabro | Virtual: what's your problem? |
| 13:14.08 | Nwallins | !ops pOLice is msg spamming |
| 13:14.09 | dpkg | Hydroxide, bob2, caphuso, dondelelcaro, doogie, eeyore-, ElectricElf, greycat, helix, ljlane, LoRez, mentor, Netsnipe, TML, walters, xk: pOLice is msg spamming |
| 13:14.40 | Virtual | heh abrocadabro nothing actually, but getting bittorent to actually download something would be nice |
| 13:15.05 | luulis | is it possible to use something else than 25 as the port for SMTP, phpBB in my server used smtp but now my ISP has closed the port 25 so it's not possible anymore.. |
| 13:15.10 | abrocadabro | Virtual: never used it before, but have you tried passieve mode? |
| 13:15.39 | green_earz | Virtual: when you are bittorens downloading they may be running for days. so the will give some good time the work on getting into the box. so i would say spend some time on getting shorewall setup the. bittorent your heart away. be safe wear a firewall |
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| 13:15.55 | SiliconViper | streuner, no, it's not in the repositories, but that doesn't stop me from compiling it from CVS... >_< |
| 13:16.08 | SiliconViper | Sorry for the late reply, busy playing with it. |
| 13:16.11 | SiliconViper | Shiny! |
| 13:16.36 | Virtual | green_earz: sure, i`m on it |
| 13:16.43 | SiliconViper | Back in a few! |
| 13:16.45 | green_earz | good |
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| 13:18.19 | sepski | luulis, what would be the use in that, since 3rd parties wont reach your mailserver, if its not on port 25 |
| 13:18.20 | green_earz | Virtual: and you are runing sarge ? did you install with the net installer or from cd , just wondering |
| 13:18.22 | Virtual | green_earz: anyway if you try to portscan my ip it gives you connection timeout |
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| 13:18.28 | intero | what's good to have all users in group users instead of one equals to their nick? |
| 13:18.32 | Virtual | green_earz: yes sarge and with netinstall |
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| 13:18.54 | cheal | BadMan: check if there's a magician nearby :) |
| 13:19.04 | Di``` | where can i know whats is the RC version of my sarge cd ??? |
| 13:19.08 | BadMan | cheal: ? |
| 13:19.08 | E-bola | Hi guys i am having a problem installing debian sarge on a Dell server. If i chose 2.4 kernel form the cdrom install it boots up fine after installation, but i would prfer a 2.6 kernel. And when doing an install with a 2.6 kernel after the install is done and i am booting into the new system. It freezes in the bootup after the: Real Time Clocl Driver v1.12 message |
| 13:19.17 | E-bola | its right after it have declared the root fs to be clean |
| 13:19.36 | cheal | BadMan: that shouldn't happen. you missed it, most likely |
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| 13:20.02 | BadMan | so what route do you sggest I go right now? |
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| 13:20.13 | cheal | BadMan: do you have any problem? |
| 13:20.20 | BadMan | oh yes |
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| 13:20.22 | TypeRite | I will be reinstalling Debian on a remote server colocated at a data center by building a fresh installation on a new root filesystem then rebooting into that. I plan to use debootstrap but have never done this before. any good howto's/guides to recommend? |
| 13:20.28 | cheal | BadMan: hehe, just reading it, sorry |
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| 13:20.35 | BadMan | ok |
| 13:20.58 | abrocadabro | E-bola: go back to 2.4 kernel and stop rtc module from loading see if it helps |
| 13:21.11 | BadMan | cheal: getting better at this but IM still newb... |
| 13:21.14 | cheal | BadMan: you're not using nvidia-installer, right? |
| 13:21.35 | BadMan | cheal tried to use it after it broke.. no go |
| 13:21.35 | mwilson | TypeRite: Sure. Do something like that locally until you're familiar with it rather than starting off with trying to kill a remote server. |
| 13:22.01 | cheal | BadMan: better paste dpkg -l nvidia* |
| 13:22.11 | E-bola | abrocadabro: How do u mean precisely? |
| 13:22.16 | E-bola | it works fine with a 2.4 kernel |
| 13:22.16 | cheal | BadMan: I'm already in #flood |
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| 13:22.45 | cheal | BadMan: I just hope try nvidia-installer won't have screwed you up more |
| 13:22.56 | cheal | s/try/trying |
| 13:23.07 | BadMan | ummm how do I get back here (irssi-text)? if I join #flood? |
| 13:23.15 | BadMan | Ill use paste bing |
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| 13:23.25 | cheal | allright |
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| 13:23.52 | abrocadabro | E-bola: boot from 2.4 kernel, run base-config, if I can remember the first question is asking you what time system you might wanna use, change that first, then reboot, if that doesn't work, remove rtc module from system start-up and reboot from 2.6 kernel |
| 13:24.03 | DaCa | BadMan: you can for example use ctrl-n to switch channels, there are more, see also /bind |
| 13:24.05 | streuner | BadMan: hit 'CTRL - n' |
| 13:24.31 | streuner | BadMan: /win #(number) |
| 13:24.35 | paster | "BadMan" at 216.227.38.7 pasted "output of dpkg -l nvidia*" (18 lines) at http://channels.debian.net/paste/15 |
| 13:25.00 | E-bola | abrocadabro: can i switch between 2.4 and 2.6 kernels without updating/removing libraries and sys files etc? |
| 13:25.09 | BadMan | streuner: thanks |
| 13:25.27 | abrocadabro | E-bola: you are no debugging |
| 13:25.34 | abrocadabro | E-bola: now* |
| 13:25.35 | cheal | BadMan: you're running a 2.6 kernel? |
| 13:25.41 | BadMan | cheal: yes |
| 13:26.01 | abrocadabro | E-bola: set you clock to GMT and see if it helps |
| 13:26.11 | cheal | BadMan: then you need to rebuild your nvidia kernel module (module-assistant) |
| 13:26.15 | E-bola | abrocadabro: ok it just anoys me i cant see what precisely is causing the freeze |
| 13:26.18 | E-bola | since i get no errors |
| 13:26.27 | E-bola | so it might very well be what comes after the rtc message |
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| 13:27.02 | abrocadabro | E-bola: is your clock currently set to GMT? |
| 13:27.09 | fl0w | Does anyone have a presario 1500 notebook, i have problem with installing drivers (or selecting monitor). |
| 13:27.15 | abrocadabro | E-bola: run base-config and find out |
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| 13:28.50 | E-bola | ok |
| 13:28.55 | E-bola | ile have to reinstall to get a 2.4 kernel then |
| 13:28.58 | BadMan | I have no clue on this "module-assistant" lol |
| 13:29.02 | mvirkkil | What package do I need to dpkg-reconfigure to select an option to NOT store the old debs? |
| 13:29.09 | cheal | !tell BadMan about nvidia-howto |
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| 13:29.58 | mvirkkil | Basically I don't want to cache the installed debs locally. How do I configure that? |
| 13:30.10 | abrocadabro | E-bola: were you doing a net-install> |
| 13:30.28 | mvirkkil | I've tried reconfiguring apt and dpkg. |
| 13:30.52 | E-bola | abrocadabro: nope cd boot |
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| 13:31.01 | E-bola | dont tihnk its a netinstall image |
| 13:31.14 | green_earz | mvirkkil: you could use -d switch with apt-get download only ? |
| 13:31.15 | abrocadabro | E-bola: okay, you don't need to reinstall, just boot up from the cd then |
| 13:31.58 | E-bola | how? |
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| 13:32.00 | E-bola | i just looked |
| 13:32.02 | abrocadabro | mvirkkil: if you wannt to remove deb files, do apt-get clean |
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| 13:32.06 | E-bola | thgere arent any "recovery" options |
| 13:32.22 | cheal | green_earz: looks like the opposite of what he wants |
| 13:32.23 | abrocadabro | E-bola: how many cds do you have ? |
| 13:32.33 | green_earz | ok |
| 13:32.34 | mvirkkil | abrocadabro: Yeah. But isn't there a package when installed that asks and sets a param to do that automagically? |
| 13:32.52 | E-bola | abrocadabro: 1 |
| 13:33.12 | BadMan | cheal: after module-assistant, do I dpkg-reconfigure xservr-xfree86 and select nv this time or continue witht he "nvidia" driver that worked fine for so long without issue.... |
| 13:33.16 | abrocadabro | E-bola: I think it might be a net-install cd |
| 13:33.28 | E-bola | its possible |
| 13:33.30 | E-bola | its a few months old |
| 13:33.32 | E-bola | so i cant remember |
| 13:33.37 | BadMan | |
| 13:33.38 | E-bola | doesnt matter |
| 13:33.40 | BadMan | hmmmm |
| 13:33.40 | E-bola | ile just reinstall |
| 13:33.41 | cheal | BadMan: you continue with nvidia, unless you don't need 3D acceleration |
| 13:33.42 | E-bola | only takes 10mins |
| 13:34.00 | BadMan | cheal: I deff need 3d 8-) |
| 13:34.00 | abrocadabro | mvirkkil: sry, can't help you with that |
| 13:34.09 | E-bola | the sarge installer rocks :) |
| 13:34.13 | BadMan | still cant seem to get to the other windows... |
| 13:34.17 | mvirkkil | abrocadabro: Ok, thanks anyway. I'll just use clean |
| 13:34.30 | BadMan | 4 |
| 13:34.36 | sepski | mvirkkil, only think i can think if is reading man apt.conf see if there is anything there |
| 13:34.40 | abrocadabro | E-bola: install the system with 2.4 kernel, and you can always add 2.6 kernel to it anyway |
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| 13:35.21 | green_earz | E-bola: is the sarge net installer ? http://www.debian.org/devel/debian-installer/ for the up to date one. may help ?? |
| 13:35.33 | BadMan | muhhahahaha its alt # 8-) |
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| 13:35.41 | BadMan | in irssi-tex that is |
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| 13:36.07 | cahoot | BadMan: might depend on $TERM |
| 13:36.17 | Eclipser | BadMan, xterm? |
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| 13:36.52 | E-bola | green_earz: thats the one im using yes |
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| 13:36.57 | E-bola | the install er works fine though |
| 13:36.59 | green_earz | ok |
| 13:37.00 | E-bola | no problems at all |
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| 13:37.07 | E-bola | its after the installation when booting up my new system |
| 13:37.22 | E-bola | but if u guys say i can just install a 2.6 kernel after i have installed a 2.4 system |
| 13:37.26 | E-bola | it will be easyer to test |
| 13:37.32 | FieldySnuts | @u |
| 13:37.33 | ravenbird | Dammit Jim! It's YOU. Y-O-U. Not *U*. U is a letter. YOU is a word. See ne1 or wud. Dutch for 'you' (formal singular). See http://ars.userfriendly.org/cartoons/?id=20041201 |
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| 13:38.57 | abrocadabro | E-bola: are you installing ? if not you can append --disable-rtc to your kernel and see what happens |
| 13:39.41 | E-bola | abrocadabro: ahh to late4 its installing a 2.4 system atm |
| 13:40.03 | E-bola | btw dont the installer on sarge start the rtc? |
| 13:40.05 | crashbg | what VGA text console do? I have sis chipset and i want graphical console, do i need the VGA text console? |
| 13:40.08 | E-bola | because if it do that should freeze tooĻ |
| 13:40.37 | crashbg | i've compiled the framebuffer console support into the kernel |
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| 13:45.05 | E-bola | k, 2.4 installed |
| 13:45.05 | KirbyMeister | get PERPENDICULAR!!! |
| 13:45.58 | abrocadabro | E-bola: okay, make sure it boots, then put on 2.6 kernel |
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| 13:46.42 | E-bola | yep |
| 13:46.48 | E-bola | installing ntp to get clock 100% right |
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| 13:48.09 | cjohnson | Is there something screwy w/exim4 in sid? Whenever I try to use apt, I get a screen from (what looks like) some exim script, and then apt bombs out on me |
| 13:48.26 | green_earz | E-bola: pick the 2.6 kernel for you cpu |
| 13:48.31 | SiliconViper | http://siliconviper.whatthefork.org/gfx/screenshots/30fdc13b1d7a267da88fe0aa91da99b2.png <-- Enlightenment DR17 oni Debian. |
| 13:48.35 | SiliconViper | *on |
| 13:48.41 | crashbg | now, i'm passing the vga=791 (1024x768) to the grub so i have a really nice vga console, but i wan to use video=sisfb:mode:1024x768x24,mem:12288 |
| 13:49.01 | E-bola | so whats simplest way to install a 2.6 kernel and still be able to boot up the 2.4? |
| 13:49.02 | crashbg | so is it ok to remove vga text console? |
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| 13:49.16 | E-bola | i asume i wont have to compile my own 2.6 |
| 13:49.17 | abrocadabro | E-bola: apt-get install |
| 13:49.21 | E-bola | and edit grub etc |
| 13:49.33 | E-bola | abrocadabro: that wont overwrite the 2.4 entry in the bootloader? |
| 13:49.46 | crashbg | E-bola, you will have 2 kernels :) |
| 13:49.49 | abrocadabro | E-bola: then you will have dual boot |
| 13:49.53 | E-bola | ok cool |
| 13:50.01 | crashbg | what CPU do you have? |
| 13:50.11 | E-bola | A normal P4 2.8ghxz without HT |
| 13:50.24 | crashbg | why not HT? |
| 13:50.47 | green_earz | E-bola: apt-cache search kernel-image-2.6 |
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| 13:50.55 | Gh0sty | man i'm loosing it here: have setup basic install from sarge to act as my new router, everything works fine, except i can't surf with my clients to http://passport.com, so can't login to msn either; however i can surf to it from my router itself, iptables only contains basic dsl masqueing setup, no proxy present |
| 13:50.59 | crashbg | apt-get install kernel-image-2.6.8-2-686 |
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| 13:51.41 | crashbg | Gh0sty, use NAT? |
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| 13:51.59 | BadMan | cheal: using dpk-reconfigure does not seem to be writing my new XF86Config? |
| 13:52.12 | cheal | BadMan: did you edit it manually? |
| 13:52.17 | BadMan | nope |
| 13:52.19 | BadMan | never |
| 13:52.20 | Gh0sty | masq is nat ... |
| 13:52.33 | cheal | you know it's actually XF86Config-4 ? |
| 13:52.45 | BadMan | cheal yes |
| 13:52.54 | BadMan | just shrotening here |
| 13:53.00 | drac | !x md5sum |
| 13:53.00 | Gh0sty | hm site is wrong: should be https://passport.com (everything else works fine, mail, surfing, icq, ...) |
| 13:53.02 | cheal | try dexconf anyway, then retry dpkg-reconfigure |
| 13:53.04 | drac | !x md5sums |
| 13:53.26 | drac | dpkg: test |
| 13:53.27 | dpkg | No, drac, you're not online any more. |
| 13:53.31 | BadMan | drac: did the md5sum as suggested by the nvidia page |
| 13:53.48 | BadMan | cheal: ok |
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| 13:54.11 | BadMan | cheal: debconf? |
| 13:54.16 | BadMan | for? |
| 13:54.19 | cheal | BadMan: dexconf |
| 13:54.23 | BadMan | ok |
| 13:54.27 | Mash | re |
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| 13:54.51 | cheal | actually maybe you won't have to retry dpkg-reconfigure after dexconf |
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| 13:55.07 | cheal | see if dexconf changes XF86Config-4 |
| 13:55.09 | hagen | hallo alle |
| 13:55.22 | hagen | oh english only? |
| 13:55.31 | cheal | hagen: yes, what do you speak? |
| 13:55.40 | BadMan | woohoo it wrote it |
| 13:55.49 | hagen | normaly german |
| 13:55.53 | cheal | !de |
| 13:55.53 | dpkg | [de] deutschsprachige hilfe bekommt ihr in #debian.de - aber aufpassen, die sind manchmal ziemlich unfreundlich. german speaking users please go to #debian.de - but beware, they're pretty unfriendly sometimes... |
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| 13:56.10 | hagen | k thanks cu all |
| 13:56.14 | hagen | exit |
| 13:56.23 | hagen | and bye |
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| 13:58.05 | FieldySnuts | sigh. tor is a neat idea, too bad it's so *slow* |
| 13:58.46 | BadMan | ok I guess Im ready for a trial run |
| 13:59.01 | BadMan | wooohoo!!!!! |
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| 13:59.07 | BadMan | see my nvidia logo!!!! |
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| 13:59.48 | BadMan | that bites, why does kdm load gnome and agdm load kde hehe cap, another goof up by switching to kdm.... |
| 13:59.49 | cheal | dpkg: x md5sum |
| 13:59.58 | cheal | factinfo x md5sum |
| 14:00.02 | StupidMop | i am running a very minimal install of debian. i used apt-get to install xfree86 and fluxbox. when i type startx i get a ver basic blackbox instead of fluxbox. i tried add exec /usr/bin/fluxbox to .Xsession and it still is bbox when i startx |
| 14:00.03 | cheal | !factinfo x md5sum |
| 14:00.03 | dpkg | x md5sum -- created by PerfDave <user42415@sparky.ox.compsoc.net> at Sun Oct 17 18:03:36 2004 (173 days); it has been requested 175 times, last by resiak, 20h 10m 4s ago. |
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| 14:00.25 | drac | odd. |
| 14:00.34 | cheal | another factoid dpkg doesn't like |
| 14:00.42 | xLP | can anyone help: I've recompiled my kernel (2.6.3), at startup it displays my hdb disk, then says it can't mount /dev/hdb1 as root |
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| 14:01.04 | Virtual | anybody can tell me a good im client that supports yahoo as well ? cause the unix yahoo messenger is LAME |
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| 14:01.09 | BadMan | cheal: I remember when I installed kdm it made me choose between it or gdm, where can I change this back? |
| 14:01.10 | drac | xLP: use debian kernel. |
| 14:01.16 | cheal | xLP: you've recompiled 2.6.3 :? |
| 14:01.32 | cheal | Virtual: gaim's the best AFAIK |
| 14:01.39 | xLP | cheal : I installed a debian with 2.2.20... got source from 2.6.3 and recompiled it |
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| 14:01.48 | nevyn | gaim is like the bomb. |
| 14:01.58 | Virtual | cheal: yes but how can I set the chat window to blink on new messages |
| 14:01.58 | Virtual | ? |
| 14:02.05 | drac | xLP: you can't use 2.6 kernel with woody. |
| 14:02.08 | E-bola | lets se eif it still fails with a 2.6 kernel |
| 14:02.13 | cheal | Virtual: it should be easy, if not ask #gaim |
| 14:02.29 | cheal | Virtual: check the plugin |
| 14:02.39 | FieldySnuts | good luck, gaim devs and #gaim ops (same people) are dicks |
| 14:02.40 | xLP | drac: hmmm can u tell me why ? |
| 14:02.42 | cheal | drac: there's a backport |
| 14:02.56 | drac | xLP: module-init-tools and initrd-tools from backports.org might help. |
| 14:03.03 | drac | xLP: but without them, no dice.. |
| 14:03.05 | cheal | !bunk 2.6 |
| 14:03.05 | dpkg | extra, extra, read all about it, bunk 2.6 is You can't run Linux 2.6 in woody without some newer packages. Get them at http://www.fs.tum.de/~bunk/packages/woody/kernel-26.html or just upgrade to sarge <woody->sarge>. |
| 14:03.11 | BadMan | well guess I am going to reboot it and make sure its not a fluke that its upp and running... |
| 14:03.20 | BadMan | thanks cheal and l8r all |
| 14:03.26 | cheal | BadMan: no problem |
| 14:03.33 | crashbg | it's better to upgrade from backports.org first |
| 14:03.33 | xLP | thx |
| 14:03.37 | crashbg | i think |
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| 14:03.46 | E-bola | heh |
| 14:03.56 | E-bola | Now it froze a little bit later |
| 14:04.05 | drac | xLP: and is there some particular reason you compiled so old kernel? |
| 14:04.11 | abrocadabro | E-bola: what's the message? |
| 14:04.14 | drac | xLP: 2.6.11.7 is newest, 2.6.3 is ancient. |
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| 14:04.21 | xLP | drac: it started one year ago :) |
| 14:04.27 | kbrooks | i want to install every package enumerated from a file. how do i do so? |
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| 14:04.47 | drac | xLP: you compiled kernel for an year? |
| 14:04.51 | cheal | looks like bunk 2.6 suggests 2.6.7 |
| 14:04.53 | Merovingian | Someone help me update my BIOS? |
| 14:04.58 | xLP | no... I tried and tried one year ago |
| 14:05.04 | xLP | now I'm starting again |
| 14:05.07 | E-bola | abrocadabro: well looks like the 2.6.x kernel i installed loads things in a different order |
| 14:05.13 | E-bola | the last messages was: |
| 14:05.24 | cjohnson | Anyone know of a convenient tool for splitting a wav file up based on times? E.g., if I have one wav file that's 25 minutes long and want to split it into a wav file that makes up the first 7 minutes, then one that makes up the first 4 minutes, then one for the last 14 minutes |
| 14:05.24 | crashbg | is there 11.7 alreadyu? |
| 14:05.26 | aardvark | !tell E-bola about flood |
| 14:05.37 | E-bola | Setting system clock using the hardware clock as reference |
| 14:05.44 | E-bola | dont worry i wont paste :) |
| 14:05.49 | xLP | drac: what should I do to compile latest kernel ? just get sources ? |
| 14:05.49 | cheal | !kernel |
| 14:05.51 | dpkg | Linux kernel versions, stable: 2.6.11.7, prepatch: 2.6.12-rc2, 2.4: 2.4.30, snapshot: 2.4.30-bk2, 2.2: 2.2.26, prepatch: 2.2.27-rc2, 2.0: 2.0.40, -ac patch: 2.6.11-ac6, -mm patch: 2.6.12-rc2-mm2 |
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| 14:05.59 | E-bola | this time it got 2 messages about the nic out after that though |
| 14:06.14 | cheal | crashbg: sid has 2.6.11 |
| 14:06.18 | cheal | crashbg: sid has 2.6.11.6 |
| 14:06.32 | crashbg | on sarge i have 2.6.11.6 |
| 14:06.34 | Gh0sty | have setup basic install from sarge to act as my new router, everything works fine, except i can't surf with my clients to https://passport.com (other pages work, mail, icq, irc too), so can't login to msn either; however i can surf to it from my router itself, iptables only contains basic dsl masqueing setup, no proxy present |
| 14:06.35 | abrocadabro | E-bola: go back to 2.4 kernel and run base-config and change your option for the first question |
| 14:06.46 | crashbg | manual compiled, i'll download the new :) |
| 14:06.53 | E-bola | abrocadabro: chang eit to what |
| 14:07.25 | abrocadabro | E-bola: change yes to no or vice versa |
| 14:07.28 | DaCa | kbrooks: cat file | xargs apt-get install |
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| 14:09.20 | E-bola | abrocadabro: i think i tried both, its asking if the hardware clock is GMT |
| 14:09.42 | abrocadabro | E-bola: which one did you try previously> |
| 14:09.57 | E-bola | As i said i think i tried both |
| 14:10.01 | E-bola | ile try to answer no now |
| 14:10.01 | Merovingian | Can someone help me update my BIOS? Please msg me. It's really silly actually.. |
| 14:10.17 | aardvark | !msg me |
| 14:10.17 | dpkg | Nobody is going to /msg you. Especially, don't /msg aardvark. |
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| 14:11.08 | kbrooks | !msg me |
| 14:11.08 | dpkg | Nobody is going to /msg you. Especially, don't /msg kbrooks. |
| 14:11.14 | kbrooks | :) |
| 14:11.29 | E-bola | abrocadabro: my hw clock is 1 ghour behind |
| 14:11.39 | E-bola | should i be able to set the hw cloclk with date --set |
| 14:11.44 | E-bola | ? |
| 14:11.50 | kbrooks | TIAS |
| 14:11.55 | asg | E-bola: /msg dpkg set the time |
| 14:12.01 | StupidMop | <PROTECTED> |
| 14:12.01 | abrocadabro | E-bola: first make sure if it boots |
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| 14:12.08 | Isil`Zha | hi. does anybody know how to fix this error? "Symbol `sql_protocol_typelib' has different size in shared object, consider re-linking" |
| 14:12.11 | E-bola | abrocadabro: well it doesnt |
| 14:12.45 | abrocadabro | E-bola: it got stuck with the same problem after you changed the setting? |
| 14:13.07 | E-bola | abrocadabro: i will reboot now, having said no, i bet it fails, and then ile try answering yes |
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| 14:13.12 | E-bola | to be completely sure |
| 14:14.18 | abrocadabro | Gh0sty: try to ssh to you router, then ssh back with ssh -R port:route:80 username@client go to mozilla and enable proxy and put proxy name as localhost and port as the port you used in ssh |
| 14:14.33 | E-bola | Yep froze again |
| 14:14.41 | E-bola | rebooting and trying to boot after having answered no |
| 14:14.51 | jethro | abrocadabro: why ssh twice? |
| 14:15.05 | Gh0sty | yeah and what would that help ? |
| 14:15.14 | FieldySnuts | read about the -R option |
| 14:15.18 | stew | StupidMop: user .xinirc not .xsession for startx |
| 14:15.23 | Gh0sty | just setting up ethereal to do packet capture to see what goes wrong |
| 14:15.25 | abrocadabro | E-bola: go to your 2.6 kernel and move rtc and restart again see what happens |
| 14:15.25 | E-bola | this is some weird freezes though |
| 14:15.29 | E-bola | in my 3 years of linux |
| 14:15.33 | E-bola | ive only had kernel penics |
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| 14:15.38 | E-bola | never just a frozen machine |
| 14:15.39 | aardvark | kernel Penix? |
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| 14:16.01 | abrocadabro | jethro: ok, you are right, if he has sufficient rights on both machines |
| 14:16.11 | E-bola | abrocadabro: move rtc? U mean chose yes instaid of no? |
| 14:16.12 | StupidMop | stew: i tried .xinitrc and it didn't work there either |
| 14:16.35 | abrocadabro | E-bola: rename rtc.ko to rtc.ko.bak |
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| 14:17.07 | jethro | Gh0sty: ssh -D <port> to the router and setup your browser to use a socks proxy bound to localhost:8080 |
| 14:17.29 | Gh0sty | but what would that help??? |
| 14:17.35 | Gh0sty | why all the sudden i need a proxy? |
| 14:17.44 | jethro | Gh0sty: man ssh, read about the -D |
| 14:17.53 | Gh0sty | its working just fine with gentoo, now i setup sarge and it doesn't work |
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| 14:18.17 | E-bola | abrocadabro: i will try that once i have confirmed neither no or yes in base-config makes any difference |
| 14:18.22 | Virtual | how can I set linux that when it starts to load directly the X server and not the text mode where I have to login and type startx, just the X server to login from there |
| 14:18.26 | E-bola | Where do i find rtc.ko? |
| 14:18.43 | drac | E-bola: find /lib/modules -name rtc.ko |
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| 14:19.01 | DaCa | Virtual: install one of on xdm, kdm, gdm, wdm, ... |
| 14:19.11 | jethro | Gh0sty: sorry I jumped in late, what does happen when you tcpdump for connection attempts to passport.com ? |
| 14:19.19 | Gh0sty | one sec |
| 14:19.21 | abrocadabro | E-bola: I thought you have confirmed, run updatedb and then locate rtc.ko |
| 14:19.24 | Virtual | kdm ? |
| 14:19.38 | E-bola | weee it worked! |
| 14:19.39 | Putiikki | kde display manager |
| 14:19.40 | E-bola | answering yes |
| 14:19.51 | E-bola | Great |
| 14:19.55 | kbrooks | grolly |
| 14:19.57 | kbrooks | er |
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| 14:20.00 | kbrooks | golly |
| 14:20.04 | Putiikki | Virtual: and gdm is gnome display manager |
| 14:20.05 | E-bola | But howcome answering no can just freeze my whole server just like that? |
| 14:20.07 | Virtual | oh |
| 14:20.13 | Virtual | yeah I got the point |
| 14:20.14 | abrocadabro | E-bola: how come you told me you tried both and neither worked? |
| 14:20.16 | Virtual | i`m using kde anyway |
| 14:20.21 | kbrooks | i need to remove ALL TRACES OF kde |
| 14:20.31 | kbrooks | forever. |
| 14:20.35 | E-bola | abrocadabro: i never said that, i said i thought i had tried both |
| 14:20.44 | E-bola | i wasnt sure thats why i insisted on trying both |
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| 14:21.07 | E-bola | but do u have any explanation what can caurse the freeze? |
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| 14:21.31 | estevao | hi people.. |
| 14:21.39 | Mash | re |
| 14:21.41 | Gh0sty | ok, the client does handshake, sends data and then the server responds with encrupted alert and shuts down the connection |
| 14:21.50 | abrocadabro | E-bola: how many OS have you got in your system? |
| 14:21.52 | Gh0sty | encrypted alert* |
| 14:21.54 | Putiikki | !tell kbrooks about remove kde |
| 14:21.59 | Gh0sty | @ jethro |
| 14:22.01 | ravenbird | methinks jethro is a cool guy |
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| 14:22.15 | daffy-pkf | how do i read audio cds with xmms? |
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| 14:22.22 | DaCa | kbrooks: apt-get --purge remove kdelibs\* |
| 14:22.25 | jethro | Gh0sty: does your msn client provide any usefull information? |
| 14:22.30 | kbrooks | DaCa, ..... |
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| 14:22.38 | estevao | I have a debian woody r4 in my computer.... |
| 14:22.41 | streuner | daffy-pkf: install the plugin |
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| 14:22.56 | Gh0sty | no this is just surf session to https://passport.com |
| 14:23.00 | estevao | ive updated to kernel-image-2.418-686 |
| 14:23.05 | Gh0sty | msn just tries to connect and fails |
| 14:23.13 | estevao | and when I boot, slip module loads by itself... |
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| 14:23.27 | jethro | Gh0sty: and https to any other site would work ? |
| 14:23.29 | estevao | and it gets eth0 pre-configured ip... |
| 14:23.34 | estevao | some idea? |
| 14:23.35 | De_Mon | I'm trying to write a procmailrc recipe that will move mail if from email1 or email2 or subject foo. I haven't been sucecssful yet :/ any advice? (and the guys in #procmail aren't talking) |
| 14:23.47 | E-bola | abrocadabro: i only have 1 debian |
| 14:23.47 | Gh0sty | jethro: yes |
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| 14:23.56 | E-bola | have never had more than 1 os at the same time |
| 14:24.08 | daffy-pkf | streuner> libcdaudio.so? i have it, and it's configured |
| 14:24.09 | Virtual | can I share a folder under linux so that users in my network can copy from it ? |
| 14:24.11 | estevao | some idea guys? |
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| 14:25.25 | bbrazil | De_Mon: use the e or E flag and demorgans law |
| 14:25.29 | De_Mon | Virtual samba or nfs both work good |
| 14:25.35 | Virtual | ok |
| 14:25.36 | Virtual | thanks |
| 14:25.36 | bbrazil | De_Mon: or just use multiple recipies |
| 14:25.41 | jethro | Gh0sty: then I don't think how it could be a sarge problem with your router |
| 14:25.48 | E-bola | Btw another side question. My system needs ot utilize backup by copying files over to a usb disk an employee will remove when he leaves for the day |
| 14:25.50 | jethro | s/think/see/ |
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| 14:25.55 | streuner | daffy-pkf: apt-get install xmms-cdread |
| 14:25.55 | E-bola | hotplug works fine whne u insert the usb disk |
| 14:26.02 | bbrazil | De_Mon: or you could have fun with regexes |
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| 14:26.10 | E-bola | but does debian(linux) support automounting when unplugging? |
| 14:26.19 | dbron | Hi all, I use mutt for all my mail, but get a fair amount of html mail. When I view mail, the default is to give me unrendered text (html formatting and all). Is there a way to change that behavior and pipe it to html2txt or page mutt display it using lynx (or some other pleasant alternative)? |
| 14:26.26 | De_Mon | bbrazil doing multiple recipies at the moment, but I'd like to change the destination a bit easier. heh, I never have figured out how to match on whole words with regex |
| 14:26.33 | abrocadabro | E-bola: hald might be what you want |
| 14:26.40 | jethro | Gh0sty: now I think the point of the ssh thingie is to try if it works from the router itself |
| 14:26.47 | bbrazil | De_Mon: procmail can use variables |
| 14:27.34 | jethro | Gh0sty: tho you could use w3m or any other textmode browser but it's more convenient to use the ssh way imho |
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| 14:27.41 | E-bola | abrocadabro: the HAL package? |
| 14:27.49 | De_Mon | I'll check out that [eE] flag. I still want thise recipies redable, regexp isn't so much :P |
| 14:28.06 | abrocadabro | E-bola: yep |
| 14:28.11 | simonrvn | dbron: yeh |
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| 14:28.50 | simonrvn | auto_view text/html |
| 14:28.55 | bbrazil | De_Mon: http://www.uwasa.fi/~ts/info/proctips.html#orrules I have sometihng on eE somewhere |
| 14:28.58 | simonrvn | dbron: ^^ |
| 14:29.04 | E-bola | kewl |
| 14:29.09 | E-bola | installing 2.6 also fixed my lil ram bug |
| 14:29.15 | E-bola | the old kernel i used only saw 894mb or so |
| 14:29.17 | E-bola | of the 1gb |
| 14:29.30 | simonrvn | that's not a bug |
| 14:29.33 | E-bola | i know its a setting |
| 14:29.39 | simonrvn | an option wasn't turned on |
| 14:29.39 | dbron | simonrvn: cool, thanks |
| 14:29.41 | E-bola | but i never found a kernel image with highmen support |
| 14:29.42 | simonrvn | :) |
| 14:29.48 | E-bola | i dont compile kernels myself |
| 14:29.57 | Eclipser | E-bola, nothing beats compiling kernel :p |
| 14:30.00 | simonrvn | obviously ;) |
| 14:30.06 | tarzeau | Eclipser: linux kernels? |
| 14:30.08 | estevao | bbrazil, do u speak portuguese? |
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| 14:30.11 | Di``` | any guy have something about lvm + raid 1 on the debian sarge install ? |
| 14:30.11 | Eclipser | tarzeau, yeh |
| 14:30.11 | simonrvn | dbron: 'k |
| 14:30.13 | abrocadabro | E-bola: how much ram have you got? |
| 14:30.24 | bbrazil | estevao: no |
| 14:30.48 | E-bola | apt: thanks |
| 14:30.48 | apt | de rien, E-bola |
| 14:30.51 | DaCa | tarzeau: gnu/kfreebsd pub time? :) |
| 14:30.54 | E-bola | looks like precisely what i neec :) |
| 14:30.57 | E-bola | need even |
| 14:31.05 | tarzeau | DaCa: more like HURD! |
| 14:31.17 | smhar | well everything seems fine with my new debian installtion.. although sound is not working |
| 14:31.29 | DaCa | tarzeau: oh, is it ready yet? :) |
| 14:31.32 | simonrvn | Di```: what about it? it does it, just have to load the right modules in the installer |
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| 14:31.48 | DaCa | tarzeau: I knew it hurd would be ready before sarge :) |
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| 14:32.00 | ricky_clarkson | How would you make multiple copies of a file? |
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| 14:32.15 | kbrooks | ricky_clarkson, copies? |
| 14:32.16 | ricky_clarkson | I want cp original.java newname1.java newname2.java newname3.java |
| 14:32.19 | abrocadabro | smhar: are you using alsa? |
| 14:32.23 | tarzeau | ricky_clarkson: using seq |
| 14:32.29 | Virtual | can I set a program to automaticly start when X server starts ? and if yes how can I do it ? |
| 14:32.29 | tarzeau | ricky_clarkson: but why? |
| 14:32.30 | jethro | ricky_clarkson: a for + seq loop |
| 14:32.33 | ricky_clarkson | tarzeau: Those aren't real names. |
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| 14:32.50 | tarzeau | ricky_clarkson: must it waste diskspace or not? |
| 14:32.53 | smhar | abrocadabro, I think |
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| 14:33.01 | kbrooks | for i in seq 1 2 3; do cp original.java newname$i.java; done |
| 14:33.09 | ricky_clarkson | I want cp original.java newname.java anothernewname.java yetanothernewname.java |
| 14:33.24 | tarzeau | ricky_clarkson: why oculdn't you give an example with .jpg files!!! |
| 14:33.25 | ricky_clarkson | So seq won't do it, but I know what will ;) |
| 14:33.29 | jethro | `seq 1 3` would be better |
| 14:33.33 | abrocadabro | smhar: apt-get install alsa-utils |
| 14:33.33 | xiaogil | What's the meaning of "tank" in "think tank" ? |
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| 14:33.36 | tarzeau | ricky_clarkson: yes seq will, but you want to run cp alot of times |
| 14:33.42 | smhar | abrocadabro, well this is my first debian install so I was in a hurry and just installed a hell of things without looking |
| 14:33.50 | dbron | simonrvn: auto_view rocks - exactly what I needed |
| 14:33.51 | ricky_clarkson | xiaogil: Like a fish tank. |
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| 14:34.09 | Aronofsky | hi everybody |
| 14:34.10 | simonrvn | dbron: works well :) |
| 14:34.17 | jethro | ricky_clarkson: for f in `cat names` ; do cp file.java $f.java; done |
| 14:34.34 | gridline | Hi, does anyone know how I can get rid og my gnome menu bar under kde?? (and keep it onder gnome?) Or where to go to ask this question more appopriately? |
| 14:34.39 | tarzeau | awww my stomach |
| 14:34.55 | abrocadabro | smhar: to get your sound to work, you might need to get all modules and utils installed, you can check that by issuing the aforementioned command, then run alsaconf as root |
| 14:34.55 | ricky_clarkson | jethro: I got that after seeing kbrooks' example. Thanks. |
| 14:35.02 | jethro | yw |
| 14:35.04 | tarzeau | too much cookies of anna's ginger things biscuits |
| 14:35.29 | kbrooks | :) |
| 14:35.36 | bbrazil | jethro: for i in $(<names); do .... |
| 14:35.39 | daffy-pkf | streuner> with xmms-cdread i now can load my cd in the playlist, but i can't play it... it just do nothing, not even an error |
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| 14:36.29 | streuner | daffy-pkf: do you see anything xmms? |
| 14:36.52 | streuner | daffy-pkf: in* |
| 14:37.08 | Gh0sty | jethro: i said i already tried it on the router itself, it works from there, using lynx i can get on https://passport.com, its only my clients that can't get there |
| 14:37.11 | tarzeau | the best audio player is: open cubic player |
| 14:37.21 | streuner | tarzeau: no |
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| 14:37.25 | tarzeau | streuner: yes |
| 14:37.39 | jethro | Gh0sty: your client doesn't display anything? |
| 14:37.51 | ricky_clarkson | The best audio player is not any of my 3 walkmans (walkmen) |
| 14:37.52 | daffy-pkf | i open /dev/hdd (my cdrom drive), it shows a track in the playlist (only one track on the cd), but don't play ot |
| 14:37.53 | ricky_clarkson | ? |
| 14:38.08 | tarzeau | streuner: can xmms look that good? without x? http://download.freshmeat.net/screenshots/7401.png |
| 14:38.16 | daffy-pkf | *it |
| 14:38.24 | streuner | daffy-pkf: just use another CD |
| 14:38.25 | tarzeau | streuner: xmms renders modules like crap too! |
| 14:38.30 | smhar | abrocadabro, I will.. just as soon I finish installing these other software |
| 14:38.40 | daffy-pkf | streuner> another cd? why? |
| 14:38.48 | Gh0sty | jethro: it gives the windows where it says press ok for accepting the key, when i press yes it just times out |
| 14:38.59 | streuner | daffy-pkf: try it |
| 14:39.02 | ricky_clarkson | Wowee, last time I looked at the source for xmms it seemed hopelessly tied to Gtk. |
| 14:39.09 | ricky_clarkson | They must have done some serious work. |
| 14:39.10 | jethro | Gh0sty: can you try from another client behind the router? |
| 14:39.24 | abrocadabro | Gh0sty: have you got any other machine to test with? |
| 14:39.26 | tarzeau | ricky_clarkson: tried Cynthiune.app yet? |
| 14:39.34 | tarzeau | ricky_clarkson: doesn't use one line of gtk!!! |
| 14:39.34 | ricky_clarkson | No, wassat? |
| 14:39.42 | tarzeau | ricky_clarkson: like xmms, but much nicer |
| 14:39.46 | Gh0sty | there's nothing wrong with the machine |
| 14:39.58 | Gh0sty | it works with my gentoo hdd in my router |
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| 14:40.04 | daffy-pkf | streuner> the cd is new, we buy it there is half an hour |
| 14:40.10 | Gh0sty | also my laptop next to me shows the same behavior |
| 14:40.13 | tarzeau | ricky_clarkson: http://freshmeat.net/projects/cynthiune |
| 14:40.23 | Gh0sty | looks like the router trashes the packages or something |
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| 14:40.42 | jethro | Gh0sty: there is no reason it would do that just for passport.com |
| 14:40.47 | abrocadabro | Gh0sty: you are making assumptions here, even it may be true, but if you have another client machine to test with, it just gives you more ino |
| 14:40.58 | streuner | daffy-pkf: try 'cdcd' then, see if that works |
| 14:41.06 | streuner | daffy-pkf: apt-get install cdcd |
| 14:41.15 | ricky_clarkson | tarzeau: Looks alright, is it in Debian? |
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| 14:41.22 | tarzeau | ricky_clarkson: sure, cynthiune.app pkg |
| 14:41.41 | EvanCarroll | where is the default shell located for XDM? |
| 14:41.43 | tarzeau | ricky_clarkson: the cool about it, can be compiled for os x too, without x server or so (pure cocoa) |
| 14:41.59 | p2-mate | tarzeau: does it have all kinds of psychedelic plugins ? :) |
| 14:42.30 | tarzeau | p2-mate: not cynthiune. but open cubic player does have a ton of graphic anylyers and psychodelic shit |
| 14:42.42 | Aronofsky | I just installed new kernel, and my vfat partitions refuses to mount from fstab whereas it works if i mount it manually , any idea ? |
| 14:43.18 | ricky_clarkson | tarzeau: I trust the XMMS guys, I'll ask them their thoughts on it. They were right about beep-media-player. |
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| 14:44.01 | Gh0sty | well, lets run over my config then: basic sarge (no package selection at the end, really basic) + dnsmasq (dns and dhcp) + iptables masq setup + apache2 + mysql on dsl link |
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| 14:46.02 | Gh0sty | laptop shows the same behavior and i repeat: when i put in my router a gentoo disk with similar install (only way older) it works just fine, the box also had woody running before the sarge was on it, only difference is i use dnsmasq for dhcp server in stead of dhcpd |
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| 14:47.16 | daffy-pkf | streuner> well, i can see it do something with the cdrom drive (the light is blinking) but no sound |
| 14:47.51 | streuner | daffy-pkf: is CDROM connected to the soundcard? |
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| 14:48.48 | streuner | daffy-pkf: you need to connected both via cable |
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| 14:49.14 | Johanes | #praha |
| 14:49.23 | abrocadabro | daffy-pkf: in your preferences, did you set up your card properly? |
| 14:49.52 | abrocadabro | daffy-pkf: output plugin in particular |
| 14:50.10 | EvanCarroll | where is the default window-manager option located for XDM? |
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| 14:50.59 | Gh0sty | i just did a capture of msn and that shows tcp previous segment lost error |
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| 14:51.12 | jethro | !tell EvanCarroll -about xsession |
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| 14:52.52 | mazze | using bash, when doing "declare F=test ; declare ${F}=asdf" then "echo ${test}" gives me "asdf". But how do I get the value of "test" only using "F", as in "echo ${${F}} # which doesn't work"? |
| 14:53.02 | jethro | mazze: /j #bash |
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| 14:53.18 | mazze | jethro thank you, didn't know the place ... |
| 14:53.33 | jethro | mazze: didn't mean to be unpleasant, but they might know better |
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| 14:56.30 | prologic | I can't seem to get postfix to listen on * (fresh install of Sarge) it only wants to listen on localhost:smtp any reason why ? |
| 14:57.06 | daffy-pkf | streuner> no there is no cable, but can't i read it the numeric way? |
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| 14:57.38 | daffy-pkf | abrocadabro> yes, i can read mp3 and co, only audiocds are problematic |
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| 14:58.40 | daffy-pkf | streuner> wow, it workd from /dev/cdrom, but not from /dev/hdd... strange |
| 14:58.44 | daffy-pkf | -d |
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| 15:00.10 | streuner | daffy-pkf: /exec -o ls -l /dev/cdrom |
| 15:00.24 | streuner | lrwxrwxrwx 1 root root 3 2004-12-12 19:44 /dev/cdrom -> sr0 |
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| 15:07.59 | daffy-pkf | streuner> lrwxrwxrwx 1 root root 8 2005-02-20 03:46 /dev/cdrom -> /dev/hdd |
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| 15:08.43 | walnuck | hi, anyone knows if an ip or otherwise connection for data transfer can be done between two 1394 interfaces- a laptop of mine has only the av port, is this okay? |
| 15:09.28 | aardvark | !fgi walnuck firewire transfer between computers |
| 15:09.30 | dpkg | walnuck: http://fuckinggoogleit.com/search?query=firewire transfer between computers |
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| 15:11.22 | walnuck | aardvark, it's seldom and its why i'm asking the possibility- googling it didn't help me too much |
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| 15:12.15 | Gnurdux | hey i need help making an init script for my irc bot |
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| 15:12.41 | aardvark | walnuck: this is the support channel for debian gnu/linux, not #hardware |
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| 15:12.53 | Gnurdux | there IS a #hardware |
| 15:12.58 | walnuck | aardvark: i'm in linux for debian |
| 15:12.59 | aardvark | yes, there is. |
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| 15:13.07 | walnuck | aardvark, this IS #debian, correct? |
| 15:13.14 | Gnurdux | yup |
| 15:13.16 | aardvark | walnuck: don't be an asshole. |
| 15:13.28 | walnuck | aardvark: #hardware is not debian, stop the name calling |
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| 15:13.54 | aardvark | walnuck: don't give me the "i'm running debian somewhere, so you have to help me with my car too" |
| 15:14.08 | walnuck | aardvark: I AM RUNNING DEBIAN |
| 15:14.14 | Gnurdux | aardvark, do you know how to make init script for things that need to be run in their own direcotries and not as root? |
| 15:14.18 | walnuck | aardvark: i think i'll never come back.. |
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| 15:14.28 | aardvark | good. |
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| 15:14.40 | idnar | uhm, what does #hardware have to do with anything? |
| 15:14.41 | aardvark | Gnurdux: man update-rc.d ? |
| 15:14.44 | gyuift | how could you, walnuck |
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| 15:14.45 | Gnurdux | no |
| 15:14.46 | gyuift | ;-) |
| 15:14.52 | Gnurdux | the init script template |
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| 15:15.06 | aardvark | idnar: he was asking about firewire p2p. |
| 15:15.11 | Gnurdux | doesnt have any support for an su insode the script, or having to run it in its own dir |
| 15:15.19 | Gnurdux | eggdrop irc bot cant run as root |
| 15:15.31 | Gnurdux | so you have to "su -c eggdrop eggdrop" |
| 15:15.41 | idnar | aardvark: right. I assume he doesn't need help plugging a firewire cable in, and thus his problem lay in not knowing how to configure his firewire interfaces for IP - that's hardly a question for #hardware :P |
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| 15:16.04 | aardvark | idnar: i told him to google for it. |
| 15:16.07 | Di``` | any guy tried to set up raid on the debian sarge installer? |
| 15:16.17 | aardvark | Di```: #debian-boot |
| 15:17.06 | Di``` | thanks |
| 15:17.40 | aardvark | Gnurdux: you could run it from inittab. |
| 15:17.52 | Gnurdux | aardvark, what would i add to the iniitab? |
| 15:18.53 | aardvark | Gnurdux: or cron or something... try googling for eggdrop on boot. |
| 15:18.59 | unknown_ | hi, is it possible to use debians apt-get source.list for ubuntu linux? |
| 15:19.06 | Gnurdux | i gogled eggdrop "init script" |
| 15:19.08 | aardvark | unknown_: no, this is not possible. |
| 15:19.11 | Gnurdux | eggdrop on boot is a good idea |
| 15:19.27 | Gnurdux | aardvark, yes it is |
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| 15:19.41 | Gnurdux | its the same as ubuntus universe |
| 15:19.42 | aardvark | Gnurdux: no, it will fuck ubuntu. |
| 15:19.47 | Gnurdux | but it has to be unstable NOT testing |
| 15:19.58 | Gnurdux | it might fuck ubuntu true |
| 15:19.58 | ledet | unknown_: consider asking in #ubuntu... this is #debian... not #ubuntu |
| 15:19.58 | aardvark | Gnurdux: if you want to run debian, start with debian. |
| 15:20.04 | Gnurdux | yeah |
| 15:20.06 | Gnurdux | i did |
| 15:20.07 | Rydekull | !ubuntu |
| 15:20.07 | dpkg | ubuntu is NOT Debian, see http://www.ubuntulinux.org. IRC channel is #ubuntu, or http://interviews.slashdot.org/comments.pl?sid=144934&cid=12136879 |
| 15:20.10 | Gnurdux | never touched ubuntu |
| 15:20.21 | aardvark | ubuntu touches you in the bad place. |
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| 15:20.37 | Gnurdux | i might have, but i was put off by the root user thing |
| 15:20.45 | azeem | aardvark: hey, are you Bernd Wachter? |
| 15:20.53 | Gnurdux | Re: Eggdrop load on boot |
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| 15:20.54 | Gnurdux | ay! |
| 15:20.56 | unknown_ | humm okay thanks |
| 15:20.56 | Gnurdux | yay! |
| 15:20.56 | unknown_ | bb |
| 15:20.59 | Gnurdux | google rox! |
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| 15:21.10 | aardvark | azeem: who? |
| 15:21.33 | Wyzard | Gnurdux: I like that "root user thing"... did that on my Debian desktop systems after trying Ubuntu |
| 15:22.00 | azeem | aardvark: obvisously not. I know a Bernd Wachter who goes by the nick of Aardvark |
| 15:22.17 | ledet | Wyzard: about the same time you picked up your crack habit? |
| 15:22.30 | azeem | ledet: eh? |
| 15:22.35 | Wyzard | ledet: huh? |
| 15:22.38 | Gnurdux | Wyzard, hmmm |
| 15:22.42 | Gnurdux | i dotn liek it |
| 15:22.46 | Gnurdux | but thats just me |
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| 15:22.59 | Wyzard | Gnurdux: Well, you can always re-enable root if you want |
| 15:23.50 | ledet | Wyzard: i like having users for doing user stuff... and then having root to do root stuff |
| 15:23.52 | Wyzard | Gnurdux: It'd probably just be "passwd root; usermod -U root", but that's just a guess and I believe they have a FAQ entry which tells you for certain |
| 15:24.14 | Wyzard | ledet: You *do* have root to do root stuff... all that's changed is how you access root |
| 15:24.16 | azeem | ledet: what does that have to do with crack habits? |
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| 15:24.57 | Gnurdux | now i gotta see if it does start on boot |
| 15:25.01 | ledet | from what i've seen of ubuntu, it's a bit like windows... it encourages that you do everything as Adminstrator/root |
| 15:25.09 | Wyzard | ledet: incorrect |
| 15:25.16 | ledet | Wyzard: i use sudo for doing root-stuff |
| 15:25.23 | ledet | Wyzard: mostly |
| 15:25.31 | azeem | ledet: uhm, Ubuntu uses sudo for doing root-stuff as well |
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| 15:25.57 | Wyzard | ledet: Ubuntu has root's password disabled, and you use sudo for executing commands as superuser... exactly what you just said you already do, it seems |
| 15:25.59 | ledet | azeem: in that case it was either changed from when i saw it... or the guy with the ubuntu installation was the one on crack |
| 15:26.15 | Wyzard | ledet: It does *not* have normal users log in as root, or anything like that |
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| 15:26.27 | azeem | ledet: so that should teach you to talk about being "on crack" when you don't have appropriate information |
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| 15:26.50 | ledet | azeem: not really... i still dislike ubuntu :) |
| 15:26.58 | Wyzard | ledet: sudo is configured such that users who are in the root *group* are allowed to sudo to the root *user* |
| 15:27.06 | azeem | you're free to do so, but don't tell others names |
| 15:27.16 | ledet | azeem: ? |
| 15:27.35 | azeem | 17:19 < ledet> Wyzard: about the same time you picked up your crack habit? |
| 15:27.49 | fubar | and why is 'sudo passwd' so out of the question? |
| 15:27.54 | ledet | azeem: yes? and what does that have to do with telling others names? |
| 15:28.07 | ledet | azeem: i'm not even sure how you tell others names |
| 15:28.19 | Wyzard | ledet: I think he means name-calling... not everyone here speaks perfect English |
| 15:28.35 | ledet | Wyzard: ah ok... |
| 15:28.36 | azeem | whatever, I guess ledet understood pretty well |
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| 15:29.39 | ledet | i still dont see what you gain from disabling root's password |
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| 15:30.00 | fubar | and I still don't see what's wrong with running 'sudo paswd' |
| 15:30.19 | ledet | fubar: neither do i |
| 15:30.36 | starscalling | off to work >.< be back in a few hours |
| 15:30.52 | Wyzard | ledet: The disabled root password is just to encourage you to use sudo rather than just logging in as root, which some people do |
| 15:30.57 | nevyn | ledet: there's no longer a known account on the box. |
| 15:31.17 | Wyzard | ledet: and using sudo is better than logging in as root because you give superuser privilege to only the commands that need it, rather than to your entire login session |
| 15:31.23 | ledet | nevyn: true... but access to that particular account should already be disabled from ssh |
| 15:31.34 | nevyn | ledet: but isn't by default. |
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| 15:31.43 | ledet | Wyzard: i know |
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| 15:32.10 | Wyzard | ledet: So that's the answer to your question |
| 15:32.17 | nevyn | being unable to login as root just adds another hurdle to jump |
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| 15:32.36 | nevyn | and security is about putting enough hurdles in place that people move on to the next place/box |
| 15:32.41 | ledet | nevyn: if you have local access anyway, that isnt really a hurdle |
| 15:32.58 | nevyn | ledet: if you have local access it's game over. |
| 15:33.01 | azeem | just having people not login as root makes it worth enough |
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| 15:33.17 | Wyzard | ledet: There are far fewer people (read: potential attackers) who have physical access to a box than those who have network access |
| 15:33.19 | ledet | and what the heck is wrong with my xchat? it wont tab complete some of yall |
| 15:33.37 | ledet | Wyzard: which is why root-over-ssh is disabled :) |
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| 15:33.54 | E-bola | DaGo: hav eu tried that usb backup util? |
| 15:33.57 | E-bola | i got it working now |
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| 15:34.02 | E-bola | but it onyl seem to grap my / partition |
| 15:34.05 | Aronofsky | hi |
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| 15:34.06 | E-bola | not /home /usr etc |
| 15:34.38 | E-bola | guess its an rdiff-backup issueĻ |
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| 15:34.51 | Aronofsky | got a problem to mount my usb key, i ain't got any sda node in my /dev rep ? |
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| 15:35.15 | Wyzard | ledet: I do wish Debian's default sshd config would have root logins disabled... and Ubuntu's disabling of root's password does work as a substitute for that, but I think the main purpose is to prevent legitimate superusers from getting into the bad habit of doing too much as root |
| 15:35.24 | cahoot | Aronofsky: got sd_mod loaded? |
| 15:35.24 | Wyzard | Aronofsky: modprobe usb-storage |
| 15:35.43 | ledet | Wyzard: sudo bash and it's all over anyway... |
| 15:36.13 | nevyn | ledet: a box where potential attackers have physical access is screwwed |
| 15:36.13 | nevyn | Wyzard: it used to have root logins disabled. |
| 15:36.13 | nevyn | ledet: but you need to compramise a user account. |
| 15:36.14 | nevyn | and get the actual password. |
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| 15:36.25 | Wyzard | ledet: At least that only gives you one shell though -- if you logged in as root at the GDM screen, you'd get an entire GNOME session running as root |
| 15:36.26 | nevyn | ARRRG |
| 15:36.36 | ledet | nevyn: identd? |
| 15:36.42 | nevyn | I'm idented |
| 15:36.45 | nevyn | flood protection |
| 15:36.48 | Aronofsky | cahoot, yes sd_mod is loaded but i don't have usb-storage |
| 15:37.01 | Wyzard | nevyn: Why'd they un-disable it? |
| 15:37.05 | ledet | nevyn: i was referring to <nevyn> ledet: but you need to compramise a user account. |
| 15:37.27 | nevyn | you need to compramise a user account and get the password |
| 15:37.35 | nevyn | getting a shell is not enough |
| 15:37.52 | ledet | Wyzard: they probably did that about the same time as they disabled password authentication |
| 15:37.58 | ledet | nevyn: true... |
| 15:38.10 | inu | wyzard, how is a gnome session under root worse than a root shell? |
| 15:38.15 | ledet | nevyn: but they could still get a root shell and mess around |
| 15:38.20 | nevyn | umm isn't password authentication still enabled. |
| 15:38.30 | nevyn | how? |
| 15:38.37 | DaveMan | Hi guys, i'm trying to disable ipv6 on sarge kernel 2.6.8-2-686 |
| 15:38.37 | ledet | nevyn: then the reenabled it :) |
| 15:38.42 | nevyn | inu: it's way worse |
| 15:38.45 | Wyzard | inu: Having gnome-panel, nautilus, all the applets, etc. running as superuser is just asking for trouble... those programs haven't been audited for security |
| 15:38.58 | DaveMan | I keep reading things about editing files i don't have. hoping someone can help |
| 15:39.00 | nevyn | inu: gnome runs a whole bunch of code. a shell runs.. a command interpreter |
| 15:39.04 | cahoot | Aronofsky: actually usb-storage would pull in sd_mod too |
| 15:39.29 | nevyn | and while bash is hardly the most.. secure piece of code on the planet.. |
| 15:39.39 | Wyzard | ledet: Wait, the ssh package maintainer disabled password authentication once upon a time? |
| 15:39.45 | nevyn | <PROTECTED> |
| 15:39.47 | inu | wyzard nevyn: and from a shell you can run *any* program as well, i don't see it being any more secure than a gnome session |
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| 15:39.57 | ledet | Wyzard: recently as far as i remember... |
| 15:40.09 | DaveMan | I edited /etc/modprobe.d and changed "alias net-pf-10 ipv6" to "alias net-pf-10 off" and rebooted. |
| 15:40.13 | Wyzard | inu: Yes, you *can* run any program... that's different from having a bunch of things running as root whether you want them to or not |
| 15:40.22 | nevyn | inu: it's less prone to remote attacks. |
| 15:40.24 | DaveMan | But it still seems to be active. |
| 15:40.34 | inu | wyzard, well if you logged into gdm as root.. then clearly you *did* want them to |
| 15:40.35 | nevyn | inu: if you're running an entire gnome-session as root. |
| 15:40.40 | johnga1t | is it possible to read an ntfs filesystem after booting from a debian installer disk? |
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| 15:41.00 | azeem | inu: people login as root for all kinds of strange reasons |
| 15:41.08 | Aronofsky | cahoot, ok , and when i got the got modules should i load them a boot time or isn't it necessary , |
| 15:41.16 | Wyzard | inu: Remember that we're not talking about malicious users here... we're talking about a legitimate administrator who's not trying to cause damage to the system, but might not necessarily understand all the implications of running things as root |
| 15:41.33 | azeem | johnga1t: you mean as a rescue measure? I don't think, but I haven't tried |
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| 15:42.16 | johnga1t | azeem: yea ... |
| 15:42.17 | Wyzard | inu: I've seen people log in as root simply because they'd never heard of "su" or "sudo" |
| 15:42.17 | cahoot | Aronofsky: just them in /etc/modules |
| 15:42.17 | nevyn | Wyzard: oh.. I was talking about a malicious third party |
| 15:42.17 | Aronofsky | cahoot, actually now all the modules are loaded but still no /dev/sdx |
| 15:42.37 | johnga1t | azeem: would i just try a mount -t ntfs? |
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| 15:42.48 | inu | wyzard, i realise you meant legitimate users, but i see your point about ignorance |
| 15:42.50 | cahoot | Aronofsky: using devfsd or udev by chance? |
| 15:42.50 | nevyn | running gnome-session as root allows an attacker to compramise any element of that gnome-session to escellate privilages |
| 15:43.41 | Aronofsky | cahoot, don't think so |
| 15:43.43 | Wyzard | inu: especially since Ubuntu is a "desktop" distribution meant to be run on personal computers, not a "high-end server that better be run by a competent admin" distro |
| 15:43.45 | azeem | johnga1t: I guess so |
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| 15:43.49 | nevyn | I'mg goint to sleep. |
| 15:43.52 | nevyn | night all |
| 15:43.53 | Aronofsky | cahoot, debian testing base install |
| 15:43.54 | cahoot | Aronofsky: another thing - make sure the ub module isn't loaded |
| 15:43.56 | simonrvn | 'escalate privileges' |
| 15:44.01 | azeem | johnga1t: well, there is a ntfstools-udeb and ntfs-modules-2.6.8-2-386-di |
| 15:44.04 | simonrvn | g'night |
| 15:44.04 | Stereo | I have a sed question; I can't figure out how to escape sed -n -e 's/^/nvram set /' -e "s/=\(..*\)/='\1'/p" to run it inside a ssh connection, like ssh foo 'sed -n -e 's/^/nvram set /' -e "s/=\(..*\)/='\1'/p"' |
| 15:44.16 | azeem | johnga1t: so maybe you need to load is a d-i module or something |
| 15:44.17 | johnga1t | azeem: nenvermind ... i just booted a gentoo cd and it worked. fanfriggintastic |
| 15:44.22 | azeem | heh |
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| 15:44.25 | Aronofsky | cahoot, its not |
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| 15:44.46 | cahoot | Aronofsky: does pgrep devfsd give any output? |
| 15:45.00 | Aronofsky | cahoot, no |
| 15:45.54 | cahoot | Aronofsky: looks to me you have udev at work |
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| 15:46.16 | Aronofsky | cahoot, yeah I think, should I change something , |
| 15:46.24 | DaveMan | Not trying to sound annoying, but this is a new irc client for me. can anybody even see this msg? |
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| 15:46.34 | cahoot | Aronofsky: might try restart udev |
| 15:46.35 | Wyzard | DaveMan: yes |
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| 15:46.55 | DaveMan | wyzard: thanks |
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| 15:47.41 | simonrvn | DaveMan: no |
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| 15:48.11 | DaveMan | simonrvn: :) |
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| 15:48.18 | simonrvn | teehee |
| 15:48.50 | p2-mate | hi simonrvn |
| 15:48.55 | simonrvn | hey |
| 15:48.56 | azeem | hi p2-mate |
| 15:48.59 | simonrvn | oh, sec |
| 15:49.12 | merwin | I've installed epic4, with lice script on ubuntu |
| 15:49.21 | merwin | how do I "start" the script? |
| 15:49.26 | simonrvn | #ubuntu |
| 15:49.32 | Mage__ | #epic |
| 15:49.37 | p2-mate | hi azeem |
| 15:49.53 | Rydekull | !ubuntu merwin |
| 15:49.54 | DaveMan | anyone have ideas on disabling ipv6 |
| 15:50.00 | Zrin | i have problems with sarge netinstall - i'm getting segfaults or |
| 15:50.00 | p2-mate | simonrvn: did you test compressed kernel boot with quik ? |
| 15:50.02 | Rydekull | aww, didnt work like that :D |
| 15:50.16 | DaveMan | or at least explain why i have /etc/modprobe.d/aliases but not /etc/modprobe.conf |
| 15:50.18 | simonrvn | p2-mate: sec |
| 15:50.26 | Zrin | ... e.g. segfault while extracting libstdc++5 |
| 15:50.45 | DaveMan | and /etc/modules.conf says "do not edit this file" ? |
| 15:50.47 | Zrin | shall i blame the hardware? memtest did not show any problems |
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| 15:55.28 | wayer | hablan espanol? |
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| 15:55.55 | bbrazil | !es |
| 15:55.55 | dpkg | Hispanohablantes: Por favor usen #debian-es, alli obtendran mas ayuda. Spanish Speakers: Please use #debian-es, there you will get much more help. |
| 15:55.56 | drac | !es |
| 15:56.16 | wayer | I'll just use ingles then |
| 15:56.18 | wayer | heh |
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| 15:57.24 | wayer | I have a problem with apt. I have some unresolvable dependencies (dont know why, -f install doesnt work) so my apt is broken. Is there a way to force a installation while ignoring some of the borken dependencies? |
| 15:58.03 | simonrvn | p2-mate: no, but i will asap. quik is installed and everything, and have my symlinks set up :) |
| 15:58.09 | Wyzard | wayer: What happens when you try the "-f install" ? |
| 15:58.13 | SiliconViper | http://siliconviper.whatthefork.org/gfx/screenshots/5b10341ce1fc4f8cb202fb924dc764cd.png <-- KDE 3.4, anyone? |
| 15:58.28 | wayer | still has the same dependency errors |
| 15:58.36 | wayer | http://siliconviper.whatthefork.org/gfx/screenshots/5b10341ce1fc4f8cb202fb924d |
| 15:58.51 | p2-mate | simonrvn: ok :) |
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| 15:59.03 | SiliconViper | wayer, herm? What's with the reposting the link? |
| 15:59.20 | wayer | sorry |
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| 15:59.29 | wayer | I am on a remore term, not used to it |
| 15:59.37 | wayer | right click doest work |
| 15:59.46 | SiliconViper | ;p |
| 15:59.50 | SiliconViper | Ah, no worries. |
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| 16:00.37 | wayer | so is there a way to force apt to ignore some unresolved packages/ |
| 16:00.40 | Wyzard | wayer: I find that it sometimes helps to remove the affected packages and then reinstall them... what's the dependency issue you're having though? (i.e. what packages are involved?) |
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| 16:01.44 | wayer | I tried that, even apt-get remove is affected by the unresolved dependencies |
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| 16:01.54 | wayer | let me get the exact error |
| 16:02.52 | slept | how can I find out if my dhcp3 server is configuerd properly - I'm not sure if the client is misconfiguered |
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| 16:03.19 | Wyzard | slept: Ethereal, or tcpdump and dhcpdump |
| 16:03.23 | wayer | Wyzard, I will be right back, please hold on |
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| 16:03.54 | nSe | i'm running sarge, what can i do in order to have kde 3.4 ? |
| 16:04.09 | Mage__ | wait. |
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| 16:04.23 | Wyzard | nSe: KDE 3.4 isn't even in unstable yet |
| 16:04.40 | Wyzard | nSe: Either find an unofficial package (apt-get.org maybe) or have patience |
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| 16:06.52 | jost | my ftpserver is accessed from hosts.deny server, what could be wrong? |
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| 16:07.13 | Mage__ | maybe pam config |
| 16:07.22 | slept | thanks |
| 16:07.35 | DaveMan | /etc/modules.conf says "DO NOT MODIFY THIS FILE!" ... should i believe it? |
| 16:07.41 | nSe | Wyzard: oh gosh, i can't wait that much, do you have any idea how much time does it take, i mean, in avarage, for this kind of package be avaliable in testing? |
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| 16:08.09 | Wyzard | nSe: Well, certainly not until after sarge is released |
| 16:08.34 | caphuso | DaveMan: uh |
| 16:08.57 | Wyzard | nSe: GNOME 2.10 is currently being prepared in experimental and will likely go into unstable soon after the sarge release... as a guess, perhaps KDE 3.4 will too |
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| 16:09.14 | caphuso | DaveMan: why do you think someone would put lies into config file comments? |
| 16:09.42 | DaveMan | caphuso: a valid point. but here's why... |
| 16:09.52 | Wyzard | DaveMan: That's because the file will be overwritten next time you run update-modules |
| 16:10.11 | DaveMan | it say "use update-modules instead", but the man page for update-modules says "this is osbsolete" |
| 16:10.17 | DaveMan | so i'm all confused |
| 16:10.22 | Wyzard | DaveMan: Create a new file in /etc/modules and put your lines there, then run update-modules to generate modules.conf from it |
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| 16:10.40 | jost | my ftpserver is accessed from a server in the hosts.deny list, what could be wrong? |
| 16:10.45 | Gnurdux | how do you redirect ALL fo the output of somehting? |
| 16:10.53 | E-bola | What decides when new kernel images apear ont he offocial debian sarge list? |
| 16:10.53 | Zrin | can it be that the sarge installer does not recognize shared (video) memory? |
| 16:11.03 | E-bola | wondering since kernel.org list .11 and aptitude only has .8 |
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| 16:11.08 | Wyzard | DaveMan: The 2.6 kernel uses a different module system and doesn't use modules.conf at all... for 2.4 kernels, though, modules.conf (and therefore update-modules) are still appropriate |
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| 16:11.28 | Mash | re |
| 16:11.36 | DaveMan | ok. i'm running 2.6. |
| 16:11.36 | Wyzard | E-bola: The release maintainers decide that... and I think sarge is expected to ship with 2.6.8 |
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| 16:11.54 | borzki | How can I set different locales to different users? |
| 16:11.56 | Wyzard | DaveMan: Then create a new file in /etc/modutils, and you don't have to run any sort of update program |
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| 16:12.13 | jost | hosts.deny ALL: ALL does not work! why? |
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| 16:12.31 | Wyzard | DaveMan: and you can remove the modutils package, btw, if you don't plan on going back to a 2.4 kernel... it's superseded by module-init-tools |
| 16:12.35 | caphuso | DaveMan: Wyzard means /etc/modprobe.d/ |
| 16:12.49 | E-bola | what if there are found security bugs in 2.6.8? |
| 16:12.54 | c01100011 | i know this is probally the wrong place to ask, but i will go for it anyway, I have used Debian sarge for about 6 months now and am getting a little board of it, i am thinking of switching over to another debian based distro like progency. Any recomendations ? |
| 16:12.55 | E-bola | will apt-get upgrade |
| 16:12.56 | Wyzard | Gnurdux: Redirect with &> |
| 16:12.59 | Wyzard | caphuso: oops, indeed |
| 16:13.02 | E-bola | some how getmt hem applies? |
| 16:13.03 | Gnurdux | i see |
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| 16:13.22 | azeem | c01100011: why bored? |
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| 16:13.27 | ryanwaye | Wyzard, where should I paste this error, it is lengthy |
| 16:13.36 | azeem | c01100011: you could start fixing bugs if you're bored :) |
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| 16:13.46 | Wyzard | ryanwaye: #flood maybe? |
| 16:13.57 | DaveMan | Wyzard & caphuso: /etc/modutils is also outdated in 2.6? |
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| 16:14.07 | ryanwaye | do you have a website, like a text dump website |
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| 16:14.16 | tarzeau | c01100011: try livecd.gnustep.org |
| 16:14.16 | Wyzard | DaveMan: Yes, that was a mistake on my part... modutils uses /etc/modutils; module-init-tools uses /etc/modprobe.d |
| 16:14.19 | ryanwaye | long story, but I cant get the error on IRC directly |
| 16:14.26 | caphuso | DaveMan: /etc/modutils contains the files out of which update-modules creates /etc/modules.conf |
| 16:14.33 | tarzeau | c01100011: wanna play some genious debian packaged games? |
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| 16:15.01 | DaveMan | caphuso: thanks for clarifying. and all of that is obsolete on a 2.6 system. |
| 16:15.10 | caphuso | DaveMan: yes |
| 16:15.16 | c01100011 | tarzeau no , i am looking more for eyecandy |
| 16:15.18 | caphuso | just like Wyzard said |
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| 16:15.33 | tarzeau | c01100011: beware you don't get eye cancer instead! |
| 16:15.37 | nSe | Wyzard: so that means that will take too much time. consider this: i'm a very impatient linux starter, but i'm going trought several manuals and i love this. do you think there's a REAL problem in installing and running unstable here? |
| 16:16.01 | c01100011 | yeah, that i can handle, i have time to fix broken stuff but no patience to work on something to make it broken |
| 16:16.07 | JoshH | nSe: if you are that much of a noob, you should probably stay with sarge at first. |
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| 16:17.03 | Wyzard | nSe: As a user of unstable, I can say that it's *mostly* fine, but does break on occasion, and you won't get friendly answers if you come in here asking people to walk you through how to fix them |
| 16:17.07 | azeem | c01100011: I guess (K)Ubuntu has a bit more eye-candy |
| 16:17.08 | c01100011 | maybe i should go sid, is the newest gnome in the repository ? |
| 16:17.14 | azeem | no, not yet |
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| 16:17.24 | JoshH | c01100011: sid has 2.8.3 |
| 16:17.29 | tarzeau | c01100011: yes rather go sid than (K)Ubunut |
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| 16:17.50 | c01100011 | so just throw the sources in and apt-get dist upgrade right ? |
| 16:17.51 | azeem | there's no big difference between sarge and sid eye-candy-wise |
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| 16:18.04 | mathieu_ | newest gnome is 2.10 |
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| 16:18.15 | Wyzard | nSe: You might be better off with a more desktop-oriented distribution... there's KUbuntu which is a variant of Ubuntu that uses KDE intsead of GNOME... Ubuntu has GNOME 2.10 already, so maybe KUbuntu has KDE 3.4? (just guessing) |
| 16:18.16 | c01100011 | maybe something willbreak in the process, i have a weekened to blow |
| 16:18.18 | azeem | c01100011: I question this step for the sake of eye-candy |
| 16:18.33 | ryanwaye | Wyzard, I am going to pase in #flood, are you ready? |
| 16:18.37 | azeem | but sure, try it out if you're bored |
| 16:18.44 | ryanwaye | Wyzard, it will be under the name tomsawyer |
| 16:18.47 | Wyzard | tarzeau: You recommend sid rather than Ubuntu for someone who just wants a nice-looking desktop? |
| 16:18.52 | Wyzard | ok |
| 16:18.54 | DaveMan | caphuso: So i'm trying to disable ipv6. what i've read says to edit /etc/modprobe.d/aliases . but that file also says "This file does not need to be modified." it's not as strong as "don't modify this"... |
| 16:18.56 | azeem | Wyzard: indeed, Kubuntu features KDE-3. |
| 16:18.58 | azeem | 4 |
| 16:19.02 | tarzeau | Wyzard: not really, but i recommend rather stay with debian |
| 16:19.14 | tarzeau | Wyzard: than go to something like ubuntu and then bother the people here |
| 16:19.14 | caphuso | DaveMan: use /etc/modprobe.d/local |
| 16:19.21 | trc | help: kernel 2.6.10, sid, as user usb scanner doesn't work, /dev/usb doesnt have any ref to scanner |
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| 16:19.26 | c01100011 | maybe i will just switch to something like blackbox and build my own eyecandy |
| 16:19.30 | azeem | tarzeau: he'd obviously be kicked to #ubuntu then :) |
| 16:19.35 | cheal | nSe: sid doesn't have KDE 3.4 anymore than sarge |
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| 16:19.55 | SiliconViper | Taking shot in 5.. 4.. 3.. 2.. 1.. 0. |
| 16:19.55 | tarzeau | c01100011: good idea! |
| 16:20.03 | SiliconViper | >_< |
| 16:20.06 | Wyzard | tarzeau: I recommend using a distribution which suits one's needs... there are experienced users here who use sid as a desktop, but Debian's focus is on stable releases |
| 16:20.10 | SiliconViper | Wrong command. |
| 16:20.13 | DaveMan | caphuso: can you point me at a man page? |
| 16:20.21 | cahoot | trc: user in group scanner? |
| 16:20.26 | c01100011 | tarzeu if only i had some gimp skills |
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| 16:20.36 | annulus | re |
| 16:20.37 | tarzeau | c01100011: you can get the skills... |
| 16:20.47 | caphuso | DaveMan: man 5 modprobe.conf |
| 16:21.09 | tarzeau | Wyzard: i don't think ubuntu or kubuntu have more eye candy than debian (sarge+) |
| 16:21.17 | trc | cahoot: no, i wil add it, but what device corresponds to scanner? |
| 16:21.20 | azeem | tarzeau: I disagree |
| 16:21.23 | tarzeau | Wyzard: sid has the eyecandy 2 - 10 days earlier |
| 16:21.29 | azeem | though I'd rather call it "usability" |
| 16:21.37 | annulus | i'd downloaded an unofficial sid image, i boot from it, but i can't install it..i've got a shell, but i don't know what to do, could somebody help me figure out what to do? |
| 16:21.39 | Wyzard | tarzeau: I've never used KUbuntu, but Ubuntu has GNOME 2.10, which sid won't have until after sarge is released |
| 16:21.40 | tarzeau | azeem: i disagree |
| 16:21.46 | nSe | Wyzard, tarzeau, cheal: no way, i can't leave debian! :) and i'll stay here with sarge, i have several config problems so turning to sid will kill me, right? |
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| 16:21.59 | tarzeau | azeem: i find gnome and kde very bad on usability and consistency (but to each his own opinion) |
| 16:21.59 | dvs | annulus: Does the shell say "boot:" ? |
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| 16:22.05 | zorton | would I get better proformance out of the framebuffer device with Xwindows? |
| 16:22.11 | c01100011 | maybe i will just build a gnome nightly instead |
| 16:22.17 | azeem | tarzeau: we're obviously comparing Debian's GNOME desktop to Ubuntu's |
| 16:22.26 | tarzeau | does ubuntu even have real cow powers? or is it just a cheap plastic cow copy? |
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| 16:22.28 | azeem | otherwise, we'd be comparing apples and oranges |
| 16:22.29 | cahoot | trc: handled via libusb - no /dev entry |
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| 16:22.31 | annulus | dvs, no, i've got some shell like bash, with very few 'bulit-in' commands |
| 16:22.45 | azeem | sure |
| 16:22.51 | azeem | nighthawk/etc/udev$ apt-get moo |
| 16:22.52 | trc | hmm |
| 16:22.52 | azeem | <PROTECTED> |
| 16:22.52 | azeem | <PROTECTED> |
| 16:22.52 | azeem | <PROTECTED> |
| 16:22.52 | azeem | <PROTECTED> |
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| 16:22.53 | tarzeau | azeem: gnome is not the only software giving you a graphical environment to work with. no i'm not narrowed to only say gnome OR kde |
| 16:22.56 | Wyzard | tarzeau: As a developer, I'm fine with running sid day-to-day, but for someone who just wants a working desktop, Ubuntu would be better since it's shielded from the breakage that occasionally gets uploaded to unstable |
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| 16:23.04 | trc | cahoot: hmm, will try it, lets see |
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| 16:23.25 | ryanwaye | Wyzard I just pasted it in #flood as billymaddison |
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| 16:23.51 | DaveMan | caphuso: so even though i don't have a modprobe.conf file, this is the format of the other files in /etc/modprobe.d/* too? |
| 16:23.57 | caphuso | DaveMan: yes |
| 16:24.05 | annulus | dvs, any ideas? |
| 16:24.16 | aardvark | !any ideas |
| 16:24.16 | dpkg | Yeah, I have an idea! But I'll need a drawer full of ground beef, a little K-Y jelly, and 5 or 6 starving ostriches. And keep the Cabal off my back for the next few hours! |
| 16:24.22 | Wyzard | ryanwaye: That's not an error... that's just apt telling you that mozilla-browser is a dependency so it'll be installed |
| 16:24.31 | dvs | annulus: Nope. Besides hitting Alt-F2 or something |
| 16:24.37 | ryanwaye | did you read the whole thing |
| 16:24.46 | ryanwaye | like the fatal errors and the broken pipe |
| 16:24.53 | annulus | dvs, to get another shell?:) |
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| 16:24.59 | DaveMan | caphuso: does a line like: "alias net-pf-10 off" in local override the "alias net-pf-10 ipv6" in aliases? |
| 16:25.06 | dvs | annulus: To see what it says. |
| 16:25.12 | annulus | ah. |
| 16:25.29 | Wyzard | DaveMan: modprobe.conf used to be generated from modprobe.d using an update mechanism similar to what modutils used, but now the new modprobe just reads modprobe.d directly so modprobe.conf is no longer necessary |
| 16:25.54 | DaveMan | Wyzard: thanks. |
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| 16:26.08 | cheal | nSe: yep, KDE 3.4 isn't worth using the unofficial pkgs |
| 16:26.08 | trc | cahoot: thanks, is working now |
| 16:26.09 | caphuso | DaveMan: you can check with "modprobe -c | grep net-pf-10" |
| 16:26.12 | ryanwaye | wyzard, so any ideas? |
| 16:26.13 | Wyzard | ryanwaye: What happens when you let it go ahead and install mozilla-browser? |
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| 16:26.22 | ryanwaye | let me get that error for you |
| 16:26.22 | trend | hello |
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| 16:27.08 | trend | how can I set a user up, so when he loggs on, he will automatically be in the /var/www/ dir? |
| 16:27.10 | DaveMan | caphuso: i see. it shows one off and two ipv6 aliases. |
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| 16:27.31 | ryanwaye | wyzard, you get the same error with apt-get install mozilla-browser, is that what you wanted? |
| 16:27.37 | caphuso | trend: by setting his home dir to /var/www |
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| 16:27.50 | trend | in .bashrc? |
| 16:27.57 | Wyzard | ryanwaye: I already have mozilla-browser installed |
| 16:28.04 | trend | or .bash_profile ? |
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| 16:28.12 | trend | i looked in both, but didn't see a homedir variable |
| 16:28.19 | ryanwaye | well, sorry my english isnt perfect |
| 16:28.19 | caphuso | trend: man usermod |
| 16:28.27 | ryanwaye | wyzard, I get the same error with apt-get install mozilla-browser, is that what you wanted? |
| 16:28.31 | ryanwaye | happy? |
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| 16:28.58 | Wyzard | ryanwaye: The message you pasted in #flood isn't an error... it's just apt telling you that it needs to install mozilla-browser |
| 16:29.04 | tarzeau | dpkg midi |
| 16:29.05 | dpkg | well, midi is MUSICAL INSTRUMENT DIGITAL INTERFACE, or timidity to play. smurf to edit, or http://www.midi-howto.com |
| 16:29.16 | tarzeau | dpkg timidity |
| 16:29.16 | dpkg | hmm... timidity is a great midi player, using timidity-patches (gravis ultra sound) it sounds perfect, (try these switches too -in or -ig), grab few midis from http://www.classicgaming.com/tmk/midi.shtml, or http://www.stardate.bc.ca/eawpatches/html/get_patches.htm |
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| 16:29.54 | Wyzard | ryanwaye: However, in the second thing you pasted, I couldn't see what packages it was going to upgrade, because you got kicked for excess flood... could you re-paste just that part? |
| 16:30.06 | ryanwaye | wyzard, I just send that part |
| 16:30.36 | DaveMan | caphuso: if the alias line shows up more than once in modprobe -c, will it use the first one or the last one? |
| 16:31.01 | caphuso | DaveMan: don't know, try it out |
| 16:31.09 | Wyzard | ryanwaye: Notice this part: failed in buffer_write(fd) (8, ret=-1): backend dpkg-deb during `./usr/lib/mozilla/components/libeditor.so': No space left on device |
| 16:31.12 | Wyzard | ryanwaye: Your hard drive is full |
| 16:31.25 | DaveMan | caphuso: do i have to reboot after changing something here? |
| 16:31.45 | caphuso | DaveMan: no |
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| 16:31.49 | kandalf | hi |
| 16:32.02 | kandalf | Im trying to install ati provided drivers |
| 16:32.04 | ryanwaye | wyzard: I saw that, deleted 2 gigs worth of files and still get the same error |
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| 16:32.08 | kandalf | but when making dpkg -i |
| 16:32.17 | kandalf | i get a broken pipe message |
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| 16:32.30 | kandalf | conflicts with xlibmesa-gl |
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| 16:32.44 | Wyzard | ryanwaye: Maybe the files you deleted were on a different filesystem... run "mount" to see what's mounted where |
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| 16:32.56 | caphuso | damnit |
| 16:32.58 | Wyzard | ryanwaye: Maybe the files you deleted were on a different filesystem... run "mount" to see what's mounted where |
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| 16:33.03 | drac | kandalf: dpkg -i --force-overwrite fglrx.. |
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| 16:33.20 | ryanwaye | wyzard: checked that too, and deleted files on both of my FSes. No dice. |
| 16:33.50 | Wyzard | ryanwaye: If you're absolutely certain that you have space free on your root filesystem, you should run fsck on it, because it might be damaged |
| 16:33.51 | kandalf | thanks drac |
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| 16:34.12 | kandalf | :) done |
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| 16:34.26 | drac | kandalf: next time xlibmesa-gl upgrades, your libGL.so.1.2 gets overwritten by it, and you'll have to install that fglrx package again. keep that in mind. |
| 16:34.37 | kandalf | ok |
| 16:34.47 | ryanwaye | Wyzard, check # flood again, i just pasted an error when i just run a generic apt-get install amule |
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| 16:34.52 | kandalf | drac, radeon x600 should work with this? |
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| 16:35.07 | drac | kandalf: i think so yes, and there is also #ati if you have futher problems .. |
| 16:35.12 | kandalf | ok |
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| 16:35.18 | kandalf | I will try now |
| 16:35.26 | borzki | why not dpkg-divert ? |
| 16:35.39 | Wyzard | ryanwaye: Installing other things (like amule) won't work because apt won't let you do anything until the mozilla-browser dependency is resolved... and that won't be resolved until you have enough disk space to install it successfully |
| 16:35.46 | drac | borzki: would be better, but i don't want to confuse him any futher :) |
| 16:35.47 | Wyzard | ryanwaye: Do you have a separate partition for /usr ? |
| 16:35.50 | Cyanophytes | what's a good linux virus scanner? |
| 16:36.01 | Mage__ | clamav |
| 16:36.11 | ryanwaye | wyzard: no, and fsck comes out clean |
| 16:36.14 | Mage__ | http://www.clamav.net/ |
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| 16:37.11 | ryanwaye | wyzard: is there a command to check % free on a disk? |
| 16:37.19 | Rawplayer | df -ah? |
| 16:37.24 | Wyzard | ryanwaye: cd /usr/lib; df -h . |
| 16:37.33 | Rawplayer | df -ah /usr/lib |
| 16:37.41 | Wyzard | ryanwaye: Paste the output from that (should only be one line) |
| 16:37.46 | trend | usermod screws up my password in /etc/passwd :/ |
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| 16:37.58 | trend | easy fix = reset pw.. but that sucks |
| 16:38.03 | denemee | hi. i'm trying to compile a simple C program but it says "stdio.h not found" i tried "find stdio.h /" but couldnt find any headers. I installed packages related to C but still doesnt work. |
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| 16:38.09 | ryanwaye | Wyzard: I'll be dammned, 100% |
| 16:38.15 | ryanwaye | Wyzard: now I feel stupid |
| 16:38.20 | Wyzard | denemee: apt-get install libc6-dev |
| 16:38.30 | simonrvn | denemee: apt-get install build-essential |
| 16:38.35 | Wyzard | hehe, even better |
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| 16:39.01 | denemee | thanks |
| 16:39.06 | ryanwaye | Wyzard, what is the command to clean the apt cache? |
| 16:39.14 | Wyzard | ryanwaye: apt-get clean |
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| 16:43.20 | vladster | I just picked up an HP XF1170 with a PIII and 512 Megs with a read write for 300 bucks |
| 16:43.32 | vladster | Just one catch |
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| 16:43.40 | dvs | vladster: no cpu? |
| 16:43.42 | vladster | any way back to the catch, how do you get the smell of cigars off of a laptop |
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| 16:44.08 | borzki | How can I set different locales to different users? |
| 16:44.19 | zinx | vladster: don't get it on there in the first place :x |
| 16:44.19 | bob2 | borzki: set it in their login scripts |
| 16:44.41 | net`afk | root__, it's dangerous to connect on irc with the root session! |
| 16:44.42 | zinx | vladster: you can air it out a while, but the smell will always be there |
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| 16:44.45 | vladster | the guy who had it before me smoked cigars |
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| 16:45.25 | vladster | is there a way to cover it up? |
| 16:45.30 | kandalf | drac, it did not work |
| 16:45.37 | Mash | bye |
| 16:45.49 | kandalf | after the driver install X may run with ati or radeon driver? |
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| 16:46.24 | micro9 | #noise |
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| 16:46.44 | micro9 | llk |
| 16:46.50 | borzki | bob2: where do i find the login scripts? |
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| 16:46.57 | bob2 | kandalf: doesn't matter |
| 16:47.03 | bob2 | borzki: depends how they loigin |
| 16:47.15 | borzki | bob2: through gdm |
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| 16:47.22 | bob2 | then you've lost |
| 16:47.32 | bob2 | set it in gnome or something |
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| 16:50.20 | Isil`Zha | does anybody know how to fix this error? "Symbol `sql_protocol_typelib' has different size in shared object, consider re-linking" |
| 16:50.36 | bob2 | Isil`Zha: don't run binary crap |
| 16:50.43 | Isil`Zha | ?! |
| 16:50.54 | bob2 | whatever program you're using is broken |
| 16:50.57 | bob2 | and needs to be rebuilt |
| 16:51.06 | bob2 | presumabky it's not in Debian, or else it'd be fixed already |
| 16:51.08 | Isil`Zha | how? |
| 16:51.14 | bob2 | it'd be awesome if you were less vague |
| 16:51.17 | Isil`Zha | it is in debian |
| 16:51.20 | bob2 | and like, for instance, told us what program this is |
| 16:51.27 | ArchitectSinan | hi all |
| 16:51.31 | Isil`Zha | sorry it is mysql |
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| 16:51.44 | bob2 | still too vague |
| 16:51.48 | aardvark | !sgsmite Isil`Zha |
| 16:51.52 | ArchitectSinan | where does "apt-get" downloads the .deb file that i'm installing ? |
| 16:51.55 | Isil`Zha | mysqladmin or mysqlsump. both the same error |
| 16:51.59 | bob2 | do you mean "the mysql server"? |
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| 16:52.06 | ArchitectSinan | i mean which directory ? |
| 16:52.08 | bob2 | ArchitectSinan: /var/cache/apt/archives/ |
| 16:52.12 | bob2 | ArchitectSinan: man apt.conf |
| 16:52.16 | ArchitectSinan | bob2: thanks :) |
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| 16:52.29 | zinx | Isil`Zha: stable/testing/unstable/experimental? |
| 16:52.32 | Isil`Zha | /usr/bin/mysqladmin: Symbol `sql_protocol_typelib' has different size in shared object, consider re-linking |
| 16:52.39 | Isil`Zha | woody |
| 16:52.39 | zinx | Isil`Zha: and, which version of the mysql package |
| 16:52.52 | bob2 | !+find bin/mysqladmin woody |
| 16:52.54 | dpkg | Updating debian files... please wait. |
| 16:52.58 | dpkg | Debian Search of 'bin/mysqladmin' (1): (/usr/bin/mysqladmin) in misc/mysql-client. |
| 16:53.05 | UKPbrown_ | Hi All :-) How do I change dns info fort network adaptor from shell please? |
| 16:53.07 | Isil`Zha | mysql Ver 14.7 Distrib 4.1.7, for pc-linux (i386) |
| 16:53.32 | bob2 | Isil`Zha: no, mysql is not at version 4.1 in woody |
| 16:53.39 | bob2 | UKPbrown_: edit /etc/resolv.conf |
| 16:53.48 | UKPbrown_ | thanks |
| 16:54.13 | bob2 | Isil`Zha: so, you have mysql from some non-Debian source. you'll need to talk to whoever compile it (not us, not Debian) |
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| 16:54.51 | Isil`Zha | hmm |
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| 16:55.53 | fflush | Wyzard: yest it is |
| 16:55.59 | fflush | Wyzard: check again |
| 16:56.09 | cheal | there are two versions |
| 16:56.19 | Isil`Zha | i use packages from dotdeb.org. you might be right that this could be the cause though i use it since quite some time w/o problems. anyway... what can i do in genral to do what the error wants? i'm quite clueless about this 're-link'... |
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| 16:56.28 | Wyzard | ah... didn't notice the other package |
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| 16:56.53 | fflush | Isil`Zha: use official debian packages or a tgz from mysql AB |
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| 16:57.19 | Isil`Zha | so nothing than reinstalling helps here? |
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| 16:58.13 | mijndert | Hi. Can anyone tell me what sit0 is? Some sort of Network Device but.. |
| 16:58.13 | Wyzard | Isil`Zha: Linking is the last step in compiling a program... reinstalling the same thing won't help; you need a copy that's compiled against the libraries in woody |
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| 16:59.05 | Isil`Zha | wouldn't apt realise if it was broken this way? like with apt-get check? |
| 16:59.22 | DaveMan | caphuso & Wyzard: Thanks! I had to add these two lines to /etc/modprobe.d/local: alias ipv6 off alias net-pf-10 off |
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| 16:59.35 | DaveMan | and now my ip6 is gone :) |
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| 17:00.38 | DaveMan | i also had to reboot |
| 17:01.00 | Isil`Zha | or atp-get update should promt some error then shouldn't it? |
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| 17:01.53 | SockPuppet | quick question... are there any expected new releases of debian soon? My FreeBSD server went kaput and as part of the re-install I've decided to try linux instead. |
| 17:02.17 | dvs | SockPuppet: You can install sarge right now. |
| 17:02.23 | SockPuppet | sweet |
| 17:02.32 | dvs | !tell SockPuppet about d-i |
| 17:03.19 | denemee | hi. i wasnt able to compile a single program, but after installing "libc6-dev" and "build-essential" my anjuta works fine. But now my "make" gives lots of errors like " ... undeclared" |
| 17:03.29 | bob2 | Isil`Zha: you need to to talk to whoever made them |
| 17:03.40 | denemee | i tried "dpkg-reconfigure make " |
| 17:03.53 | resiak | denemee: What are you trying to compile? Does it need additional libraries? |
| 17:04.08 | denemee | it needs libc and gtk |
| 17:04.16 | denemee | but theyre allready installed |
| 17:04.16 | resiak | denemee: so do you have those installed? |
| 17:04.24 | resiak | denemee: Do you have the -dev packages installed? |
| 17:04.24 | dvs | denemee: which gtk? |
| 17:04.27 | Wyzard | denemee: Including the -dev package for gtk? |
| 17:04.40 | denemee | gtk-1.2 |
| 17:04.48 | dvs | denemee: Not the dev version |
| 17:05.04 | Wyzard | Isil`Zha: Installing packages with apt-get only cares that the package exists and isn't corrupted... it doesn't presume to know anything about the files contained within the package |
| 17:05.11 | denemee | gtk-1.2.0 and libc-6.0 |
| 17:05.20 | resiak | denemee: And do you have the -dev packages? |
| 17:05.22 | dvs | denemee: apt-get install libgtk1,2-dev |
| 17:05.28 | dvs | denemee: apt-get install libgtk1.2-dev |
| 17:05.33 | Wyzard | Isil`Zha: Making sure the program will actually run properly on your system is the maintainer's responsibility |
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| 17:06.01 | denemee | i dont have libgtk1.2-dev |
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| 17:06.08 | denemee | ok i'm now installing |
| 17:06.10 | dvs | denemee: That's why it fails |
| 17:06.11 | denemee | thanks for help |
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| 17:07.05 | Isil`Zha | Wyzard: bob2: sure i understand that... is there a way to go to the built in version without loosing my config? which version is the current one for debian btw? |
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| 17:07.40 | Wyzard | Isil`Zha: The version of mysql in woody is 3.23.49 |
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| 17:08.07 | miguelanxo | I've been wondering about the best way to upgrade my laptop, HD-capacity-wise, and I'm wondering now about an external USB IDE drive |
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| 17:08.13 | bob2 | Isil`Zha: debian stable, which came out in 2002, has mysql 3.something |
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| 17:08.23 | miguelanxo | do you think I will be able to boot debian from the USB drive? |
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| 17:08.41 | _ReDRuM_ | what is the thing you set in bash to stop it cashing executables paths? |
| 17:08.49 | Wyzard | miguelanxo: Depends on whether your BIOS supports booting from USB storage devices... most newer systems do, I think |
| 17:09.09 | miguelanxo | Wyzard, how about booting from a LILO set? |
| 17:09.12 | Wyzard | miguelanxo: Debian-Installer has an option to boot from a USB flash drive, and that works |
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| 17:09.27 | miguelanxo | ok |
| 17:09.39 | miguelanxo | what about speed? Someone used to work with usb 2.0 drives? |
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| 17:09.45 | miguelanxo | I mean, as system drives |
| 17:09.46 | resiak | miguelanxo, Wyzard: Many new systems do not boot from USB. |
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| 17:10.13 | Wyzard | miguelanxo: Linux supports USB 2.0 just fine, so I don't see why it wouldn't work |
| 17:10.18 | shmike | hey |
| 17:10.21 | Wyzard | resiak: Interesting... that surprises me |
| 17:10.35 | miguelanxo | the boot thing is not a problem, as long as I can do root=/dev/sda1 for example |
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| 17:10.50 | resiak | Wyzard: I've experienced it first-hand a few times. |
| 17:11.02 | resiak | Wyzard: Worth RTFMing for the mobo/bios, I guess :) |
| 17:11.11 | Wyzard | miguelanxo: And you should be able to do that as long as you use a kernel with the usb-storage driver compiled in, or an initrd containing the module |
| 17:11.17 | shmike | does anyone know if debian will have a 64 bit version? |
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| 17:11.24 | miguelanxo | I've come to a solution: If I'm able to boot from USB I will spend money on a external IDE case |
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| 17:11.28 | UKPbrown_ | When my system reboots my samba drives don't reconnect, I have to manually enter modprobe smbfs - can I automate this so that my samba drives to mount on boot? |
| 17:11.45 | Wyzard | shmike: http://www.debian.org/ports/amd64/ |
| 17:11.52 | shmike | ok ty |
| 17:11.54 | resiak | miguelanxo: Those are well worth having in any case. |
| 17:12.15 | miguelanxo | resiak, don't get it |
| 17:12.21 | miguelanxo | IDE's for laptops? |
| 17:13.08 | gridline | Can anyone explain or point me to documentation on how to add an alternative like with update-alternatives? |
| 17:13.28 | resiak | gridline: man update-alternatives |
| 17:13.48 | resiak | miguelanxo: I have a box that takes an IDE hard disk and turns it into a usb mass storage drive. I now have a 40GB USB disk :) |
| 17:14.00 | miguelanxo | ;) |
| 17:14.05 | gridline | i read that, but I don't see how to add just one alternative to an already excisting list |
| 17:14.07 | miguelanxo | just what I was thinking |
| 17:14.32 | miguelanxo | resiak, can you recommend a company? |
| 17:14.40 | miguelanxo | plextor maybe? |
| 17:14.47 | resiak | miguelanxo: Not really -- I bought a no-brand one in Hong Kong ;) |
| 17:15.24 | resiak | gridline: Read teh bit on --install . Specifically the second paragraph. |
| 17:15.34 | jazzmans | where's a good tutorial on exporting a nfs share to another machine on the local network? man nfs doesn't give me enough info. |
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| 17:15.40 | miguelanxo | linux is very hong-kong firendly I suppose |
| 17:15.54 | miguelanxo | even my processor is made in hong kong |
| 17:16.28 | gridline | Aha! Thanks |
| 17:16.30 | denemee | hi i'm trying to install a program with make. installed the dev files needed but i still see the same errors like " ... undeclared " |
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| 17:16.58 | resiak | denemee: Look at the INSTALL from the source package, and install all the -devs of its depends. |
| 17:17.04 | miguelanxo | denemee which program, which eroor, which what? |
| 17:17.12 | denemee | gtkgep |
| 17:17.13 | denemee | program |
| 17:17.21 | websdale | jazzmans: NFS HOW-TO - should be in your docs |
| 17:17.23 | denemee | i see lots of errors |
| 17:17.45 | denemee | theyre mostly errors with "... undeclared |
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| 17:18.03 | jazzmans | thanks websdale, I'll look. |
| 17:18.18 | resiak | denemee: When you ran ./configure, did it complain about anything being missing? |
| 17:18.19 | denemee | it depends on libc and gtk and i already installed the dev files |
| 17:18.32 | denemee | it doesnt have a ./configure |
| 17:18.38 | denemee | just runs with make; make install |
| 17:18.43 | dvs | denemee: Without specifics, we can't help you |
| 17:18.51 | denemee | specifics? |
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| 17:19.00 | dvs | specific message |
| 17:19.01 | dvs | specific messages |
| 17:19.28 | denemee | for example it says "GTK WINDOW TOPLEVEL not found |
| 17:19.46 | denemee | or gtkwidget |
| 17:19.57 | denemee | lots of errors and warnings |
| 17:19.59 | resiak | denemee: No, it has a ./configure . Why have you not run it? |
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| 17:20.12 | denemee | it doesnt have |
| 17:20.13 | Wyzard | denemee: Look for any errors talking about missing header files |
| 17:20.15 | denemee | a ./configure |
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| 17:20.29 | markybob | autogen? |
| 17:20.30 | resiak | denemee: I _just_ downloaded it. |
| 17:20.36 | resiak | denemee: And it sure as hell does have a ./configure |
| 17:20.38 | denemee | with apt? |
| 17:20.39 | Wyzard | resiak: If the package used autoconf, it wouldn't even have a Makefile until configure had been run |
| 17:20.56 | resiak | Wyzard: I dunno. I've just got a tarball of it with a ./configure |
| 17:21.08 | resiak | denemee: Are we talking about the low-latency audio application here? |
| 17:21.21 | gnulu | hey all, having a bit0trouble with vnc |
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| 17:21.27 | denemee | gtk guitar effects process |
| 17:21.46 | resiak | denemee: Yes, the same one,. |
| 17:22.03 | gnulu | i did the apt-get install vncserver client java etc... and i set up vncpasswd |
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| 17:22.09 | denemee | really? gtkgep-0.2.2 |
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| 17:22.17 | denemee | i dont have a ./configure |
| 17:22.20 | gnulu | but i can't connect remotely |
| 17:22.23 | resiak | denemee: 0.2.3 |
| 17:22.23 | tombs | does someone runs wireless using a smc pci card? |
| 17:22.54 | denemee | so the 0.2.2 one doesnt have a ./configure ? isnt that strange |
| 17:22.58 | Cyanophytes | Is linux capable of communicating with a usb ups battery backup? |
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| 17:23.09 | grumpy_ | when compiling 2.6 kernels should only one anticipatory scheduler be compiled in? or does it make a difference if you just put them all in? will it automagically pick the best one? |
| 17:23.11 | Wyzard | gnulu: xvncviewer doesn't need java |
| 17:23.28 | gnulu | right, just for java enabled browsing stuff |
| 17:23.53 | Wyzard | Cyanophytes: The Linux kernel itself doesn't concern itself with that, but there's a daemon called "apcupsd" which can communicate with all sorts of APC-brand UPSes, including USB ones |
| 17:24.12 | Wyzard | Cyanophytes: There might be similar daemons for other brands; I dunno |
| 17:24.13 | resiak | denemee: I suspect a badly-written makefile. |
| 17:24.20 | gnulu | i don't want to duplicate browsing |
| 17:24.24 | resiak | denemee: I can't make it build either. Email the author. |
| 17:24.33 | Cyanophytes | Wyzard: Thanks |
| 17:24.34 | gnulu | err vnc installs. |
| 17:24.34 | Wyzard | gnulu: I'm not sure what you mean by "browsing stuff" |
| 17:25.09 | Wyzard | ah... so you're serving the Java viewer from a webserver rather than installing it locally on each machine |
| 17:25.10 | gnulu | i have tried to use tightvnc |
| 17:25.34 | denemee | resiak, ok thanks |
| 17:25.42 | gnulu | tried vncserver |
| 17:25.58 | gnulu | kind of lost |
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| 17:26.27 | grumpy_ | perl is complaining about my locale settings, where do I set that? |
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| 17:29.41 | zorton | is theree any reason I should have to do a make-kpkg clean everytime? or can I just change the --revision? |
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| 17:30.20 | resiak | zorton: man make-kpkg |
| 17:30.46 | grumpy_ | where does perl look for locale settings? |
| 17:30.56 | resiak | zorton: It does explain in there. And yes, you do have to do it. Use ccache to cache compiles. |
| 17:30.59 | grumpy_ | can I just dpkg-reconfigure perl to fix my locale settings? |
| 17:30.59 | prologic | What has debmake been replaced by ? |
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| 17:33.10 | valdyn_ | grumpy_: dpkg-reconfigure locales |
| 17:33.10 | zulkifar | Hi. I've just read about udev. In faq it was called 'not yet completed' but faq written a year ago.. Well, is it time to move to udev? :) |
| 17:33.18 | resiak | zulkifar: Do you need it? |
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| 17:33.30 | grumpy_ | valdyn_: thx!! |
| 17:33.39 | Wyzard | zulkifar: I've been using udev for several months... in fact, the GNOME packages in unstable (indirectly) depend on it |
| 17:33.39 | De_Mon | zulkifar what are you using now? |
| 17:34.07 | resiak | zulkifar: It worksforme, but unless you use gnome-volume-manager, you don't _need_ it. |
| 17:34.30 | bob2 | udev is quite nifty |
| 17:34.39 | bob2 | but it breaks some stuff like root-on-software-raid, iirc |
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| 17:34.57 | sobersabre | hi guys |
| 17:35.02 | zulkifar | De_Mon: static dev |
| 17:35.10 | sobersabre | why are these p0rn bots alive in here ? |
| 17:35.17 | resiak | !topicsmite sobersabre |
| 17:35.18 | dpkg | And the wrath of /TOPIC descended with terrible fury upon sobersabre. And all the people marveled, saying, Behold, we too should read the /TOPIC, lest we be stricken. And all the people read the /TOPIC, and went away edified. |
| 17:35.23 | resiak | zulkifar: Do you _need_ a non-static dev? |
| 17:35.50 | zulkifar | resiak: I dislike having many useless files... |
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| 17:36.03 | resiak | zulkifar: Are they doing you any harm? |
| 17:36.06 | sobersabre | i have a q.: how can I manipulate serial port setup from a C program ? any serial io lib ? |
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| 17:36.14 | Wyzard | !ops Linda^is^a^geniu dCc porn bots |
| 17:36.15 | dpkg | Hydroxide, bob2, caphuso, dondelelcaro, doogie, eeyore-, ElectricElf, greycat, helix, ljlane, LoRez, mentor, Netsnipe, TML, walters, xk: Linda^is^a^geniu dCc porn bots |
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| 17:36.26 | sobersabre | i need to control misc. timeouts. |
| 17:36.51 | miguelanxo | resiak, have you tried your usb case with cd-writers? do they work? |
| 17:37.05 | resiak | miguelanxo: ...it's a hard disk case, so no they don't :) |
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| 17:37.35 | grumpy_ | when compiling a kernel for my p3-650 laptop what I/O scheduler should I use? |
| 17:37.41 | zulkifar | bob2: how many problems I can get after moving to udev? Where to read about it? |
| 17:37.54 | Wyzard | sobersabre: See above -- that's how you deal with them :-) |
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| 17:38.16 | zulkifar | resiak: http://www.kroah.com/linux/talks/ols_2003_udev_paper/Reprint-Kroah-Hartman-OLS2003.pdf |
| 17:38.17 | Jon | zulkifar: I found <http://www.kroah.com/linux/talks/ols_2003_udev_paper/Reprint-Kroah-Hartman-OLS2003.pdf> excellent |
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| 17:38.44 | bob2 | zulkifar: none on "normal" systems |
| 17:38.48 | sobersabre | Wyzard, is it hard to ... remove them ? |
| 17:38.50 | bob2 | you just install it and reboot |
| 17:38.53 | bob2 | at least on 2.6 |
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| 17:39.26 | Jon | I've just logged into GNOME (2.8,sarge). All of my nautilus desktop icons are using the default blank page icon, most of my taskbar ones also. my theme (gtk2-engines-mist) has reverted to the default, and mist isn't showing up in the list of installed themes (package is still installed however). known problem? |
| 17:39.41 | resiak | zulkifar: Read it, and I know what it does, and I know how it's useful, and I use it. I was wondering if _you_ needed it ;) |
| 17:39.43 | Wyzard | sobersabre: Just say "!ops" and a brief description of what's wrong, and one of the ops will ban them (I've just done it so you don't need to) |
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| 17:39.58 | sobersabre | no probs. |
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| 17:40.03 | Jon | I first took the plunge and tried udev today, found it a lot less painful than defgs :) |
| 17:40.04 | miguelanxo | resiak, what about a full 5.15 drive? do the usb-mass storage support CD/DVD writing commands? |
| 17:40.05 | bob2 | Jon: try asking on the debian-gnome-gtk list |
| 17:40.12 | Wyzard | Jon: apt-get install gnome-icon-theme |
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| 17:40.19 | Jon | Wyzard: it's installed |
| 17:40.21 | Jon | bob2: ok, cheers |
| 17:40.24 | zulkifar | resiak: who am _I_? |
| 17:40.24 | miguelanxo | resiak, I mean, the linux driver, the case says YES |
| 17:40.28 | Wyzard | Jon: dunno then |
| 17:40.33 | sobersabre | still i would like to get help on: software manipulation of serial port within a C program.. ( without exec stty ) |
| 17:40.38 | Jon | Wyzard: thanks all the same |
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| 17:40.48 | zulkifar | Do I need to configure some specific kernel features to use udev? |
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| 17:41.03 | Jon | zulkifar: tmpfs and sysfs |
| 17:41.08 | zulkifar | Jon: thnx |
| 17:41.08 | sobersabre | Jon, maybe you don't have permissions to view file... have you played with "chmod" lately ? |
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| 17:41.20 | bob2 | zulkifar: just us a Debian kernel, really |
| 17:41.24 | bnoji | Is there a telco or phone systems channel on freenode? |
| 17:41.24 | resiak | zulkifar: I'm not a philosopher. You'll have to answer that question yourself ;) |
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| 17:41.27 | Jon | sobersabre: nope - one moment, creating adummy user, seeing if prob occurs for them |
| 17:41.36 | resiak | miguelanxo: I have absolutely no idea. |
| 17:41.50 | sobersabre | Jon, and maybe this is a manually added theme, and you removed the directory. |
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| 17:42.38 | mne | hi there ! I have a strange apt-get problem. Some days ago I removed the package "privoxy". Now I'm trying to reinstall it and it complains that it can't find some config files in /etc/privoxy though these files are included in the package. what can I do ? |
| 17:42.54 | Jon | sobersabre: no, it's a debian packaged theme, the package of which remains installed. wondering if another gnome component has updated and broken it pehaps- checking what packages have changed recently |
| 17:43.09 | miguelanxo | resiak, would you mind if I stop bothering you and have a look at some linux USB info ;)? |
| 17:43.12 | zulkifar | bob2: debian kernel... reminds some nice working thing from the past :) Really, I use a very custom kernel with most generic things turned off :) |
| 17:43.25 | bob2 | then you'll probably have problems |
| 17:43.30 | zulkifar | resiak: ah, man.. may I use it? please!!! :))) |
| 17:43.34 | bob2 | mne: sounds like a bug |
| 17:43.35 | sobersabre | Jon... how many vnc sessions do you have running ? |
| 17:43.41 | sobersabre | :) |
| 17:43.52 | Wyzard | mne: When you removed the package previously did you "--purge" it? |
| 17:43.53 | resiak | miguelanxo: I'm sure I could cope with it ^_^ |
| 17:43.56 | valdyn_ | mne: you removed those files manually? |
| 17:43.59 | sobersabre | or more precisely, do you run a gnome-session twice as the same user ? |
| 17:44.02 | Jon | sobersabre: hehe none ... a one user local machine freshly booted |
| 17:44.07 | Supaplex | mne: what's dpkg -l privoxy say? (do NOT paste) |
| 17:44.11 | resiak | zulkifar: I'm sorry? I was saying that I couldn't answer the question "who am _I_?"... |
| 17:44.19 | mne | valdyn_, yeah, i removed them manually .. maybe --purge will help, i didn't do that |
| 17:44.47 | Supaplex | mne: or apt-get install --reinstall foo depending on your situation (you be the judge) |
| 17:44.56 | mne | Supaplex, it says the package is broken or not fully installed |
| 17:45.08 | valdyn_ | mne: purge first, then reinstall |
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| 17:45.15 | mne | valdyn_, I think that will help |
| 17:45.22 | mne | thx to all for helping out |
| 17:45.31 | valdyn_ | mne: and keep in mind that any editing of config files is respected by apt-get even if its stupid |
| 17:45.40 | Wyzard | mne: If you can reproduce the problem, file a bug against the package |
| 17:45.55 | mne | Wyzard, ok ... But I think it was my fault |
| 17:46.03 | sobersabre | Jon, look for ~/.xsession-errors |
| 17:46.06 | zulkifar | resiak: you said: "I was wondering if _you_ needed it". Like nobody can use it except of you... Or anybody can use except of me. Hm... Lets stop this, ok? |
| 17:46.07 | Wyzard | mne: Then file a bug against yourself ;-) |
| 17:46.32 | mne | Wyzard, just doing so :) |
| 17:46.56 | sobersabre | Jon, any discoveries ? |
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| 17:48.01 | mne | privoxy now works, thx again |
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| 17:48.29 | Supaplex | np, glad we could help mne. |
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| 17:48.54 | Jon^D | sobersabre: hmm good advice. I see errors relating to the theme, I see the files for the theme touched today suggests package update. going to check changelogs |
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| 17:49.32 | resiak | zulkifar: Heh. Sorry. I was just wondering if it would make life better or worse for you. Anyway, I'll shut up. |
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| 17:50.18 | zulkifar | bob2: you mentioned 'root-on-software-raid' - is it when root fs on raid? I'm asking because have a server with software mirror raid. But roots fs I left un-raided :) |
| 17:50.22 | zulkifar | resiak: np :) |
| 17:50.29 | Wyzard | zulkifar: correct |
| 17:50.51 | bob2 | I meant what I said, "root on software raid" |
| 17:50.52 | bob2 | root = / |
| 17:50.56 | luulis | hm, why would it be that occasionally my ssh connection to another host with ubuntu in it hangs, I had a session open and file transfer going on between them but all connections suddenly stopped, the shell session wouldnt let me type anything and scp outputed -stalled- .. |
| 17:51.20 | resiak | !ubuntu |
| 17:51.20 | dpkg | ubuntu is NOT Debian, see http://www.ubuntulinux.org. IRC channel is #ubuntu, or http://interviews.slashdot.org/comments.pl?sid=144934&cid=12136879 |
| 17:51.30 | Wyzard | luulis: More likely a network problem than a bug in Ubuntu's sshd, but check their BTS just to be sure |
| 17:51.36 | zulkifar | bob2: '-'s confused me :) |
| 17:51.47 | bob2 | ah |
| 17:52.00 | valdyn_ | luulis: is there a pppoe connection between the 2 hosts? |
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| 17:53.53 | starscalling | ok! how do i get usb working? |
| 17:53.57 | luulis | valdyn_: its LAN connection, but it could be ubuntu problem, i believe so, they even managed to break their autotools badly when I tried to test some software Im writing on the ubuntu host.. |
| 17:54.21 | Wyzard | luulis: Does it happen with connections to other hosts, preferably running other OSes? |
| 17:54.28 | kingsley | Debian's weekly news is late. |
| 17:54.41 | kingsley | Why? |
| 17:55.28 | luulis | Wyzard: it has never happened before, but now a few times with that ubuntu box |
| 17:55.32 | valdyn_ | kingsley: it isnt late |
| 17:55.55 | Wyzard | luulis: Sounds like it might be a problem in Ubuntu after all, then... check their BTS and ask in #ubuntu |
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| 17:56.04 | valdyn_ | kingsley: Debian Weekly News - April 5th, 2005 |
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| 17:56.35 | kingsley | valdyn_: Where did you find it? |
| 17:56.43 | valdyn_ | kingsley: in my inbox |
| 17:56.55 | Wyzard | luulis: It could also be something as simple as a bad Ethernet cable or NIC, though |
| 17:57.01 | valdyn_ | kingsley: http://www.debian.org/News/weekly/2005/14/ |
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| 17:58.13 | kingsley | valdyn_: "Not Found |
| 17:58.14 | kingsley | The requested URL /News/weekly/2005/14/ was not found on this server." |
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| 17:59.08 | nicedreams | what is the file that has the list of services that startup with linux? |
| 17:59.09 | valdyn_ | kingsley: ah so thats the problem, i see |
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| 17:59.15 | ArchitectSinan | i want to re-partition my /dev/hda with "parted". i had 2 partitions: 1st is "/dev/hda1" which is a ext3 boot partition, and 500M linux-swap. (/dev/hda1 starts from the beginning of the disc and let's say 1000M, and swap starts from 1001M and ends in 1500M. I deleted the swap partition with "rm 2" parted command. And then i resized my 1st (MINOR number is 1) partition with "resize 1 0.031 2500" parted command. |
| 17:59.17 | ArchitectSinan | <PROTECTED> |
| 17:59.30 | ArchitectSinan | question will continue in the next line ... |
| 17:59.32 | Wyzard | ArchitectSinan: You can't resize a filesystem while it's mounted |
| 17:59.32 | bob2 | nicedreams: there isn't one |
| 17:59.39 | bob2 | nicedreams: ls /etc/rc2.d/S* |
| 17:59.44 | ArchitectSinan | Wyzard: oh my god :( |
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| 18:00.14 | ArchitectSinan | Wyzard: Then i should boot with a rescue floppy or so ? |
| 18:00.18 | metaperl | is anyone interested in starting a cooperative internet hosting project? |
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| 18:00.35 | Wyzard | ArchitectSinan: Use a bootable disk or something for that... Debian rescue floppy/CD, or Knoppix, etc. |
| 18:00.37 | metaperl | for internet hosting of web, email, svn, jabber, etc |
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| 18:00.55 | kevinz | i am install a software manually. It asked me to add something to environment variables, what should i do? sorry for this stupid question |
| 18:01.13 | ArchitectSinan | Wyzard: Then how/where can i install "parted" ? let's say for knoppix ? |
| 18:01.28 | ArchitectSinan | Wyzard: Is there a bootable linux thing that including "parted" ? |
| 18:01.30 | kingsley | valdyn_: I'm happy to report that I found it on usenet. |
| 18:01.35 | nicedreams | bob2, thx |
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| 18:02.16 | Wyzard | ArchitectSinan: Knoppix probably includes parted... if not, ask #knoppix about whether it's possible to install it without doing a full hard-drive install |
| 18:02.19 | nicedreams | how do you control what starts up in the /etc/init.d then? |
| 18:02.43 | ArchitectSinan | Wyzard: Thanks so much :) |
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| 18:04.28 | Wyzard | ArchitectSinan: If Knoppix doesn't have it, you might also try Gentoo's installation CD... that gives you a shell and a bunch of tools |
| 18:05.11 | Ferret | kingsley: Not really the best hardware support there. :) |
| 18:05.34 | Wyzard | ArchitectSinan: Or using any bootable media (including Debian's own) you could simply mount your installation on your hard drive, copy parted and any necessary libraries into a tmpfs, and unmount the hard drive |
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| 18:06.15 | kingsley | Ferret: What's unsupported? |
| 18:06.23 | kaplanfx | whats the diff between a kernel-source package and a kernel-tree package? |
| 18:06.33 | simonrvn | metaperl: sounds interesting, but i'm doing it solo right now (and you're a little far geographically ;) |
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| 18:08.02 | kingsley | valdyn_: It's not on the web because of "extensive data corruption". |
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| 18:08.37 | metaperl | simonrvn, oh I see |
| 18:08.45 | metaperl | are you doing manual debian admin or using webmin? |
| 18:09.29 | Wyzard | kaplanfx: Read the package description... kernel-tree is just a workaround for a potential dependency snag |
| 18:09.39 | Wyzard | kaplanfx: kernel-source is what you want if you're building a custom kernel |
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| 18:10.16 | simonrvn | metaperl: manual of course. though i'm writing scripts and other stuff to automate or ease administration. |
| 18:10.56 | metaperl | simonrvn, I am hosted at hcoop.net --- they have a nice command line tool for handling exim-based email and the virtual serves |
| 18:11.28 | kaplanfx | Wyzard: thanks |
| 18:11.44 | yangxx | I got problems with ident, I always get ~ in front of username, when i connect to IRC. I tried oidentd, slidentd, nothing works...? |
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| 18:11.46 | kaplanfx | typically what do the debian packages consist of? |
| 18:11.49 | metaperl | so that each user can edit a directory of files for their particular domain and then run a tool which builds a virtual entry for them in httpd.conf |
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| 18:11.53 | ArchitectSinan | Wyzard: I decided to reinstall the system. it'll be easy for me |
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| 18:11.59 | kevinz | what's the lib environment variable for gcc? |
| 18:12.10 | kaplanfx | I've been building my own kernel for a while, but I typically use kernel.org sources becuase they are avial sooner |
| 18:12.13 | bob2 | kevinz: to do what? |
| 18:12.21 | Wyzard | kaplanfx: kernel-image packages are produced by make-kpkg |
| 18:12.31 | nicedreams | how do you control what starts up in /etc/init.d |
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| 18:12.37 | kingsley | kaplanfx: executable binaries, libraries and documentation for a certain application. |
| 18:12.39 | kaplanfx | Wyzard: right, thats what I use on my kernel.org sources |
| 18:12.42 | simonrvn | metaperl: cool. i'm having to write some - or a lot - of the stuff because a lot of it isn't written for ldap-based data |
| 18:12.43 | Wyzard | kaplanfx: They just contain a compiled kernel and its modules |
| 18:12.44 | kevinz | i want to install amzi! which is a library for using prolog in other language |
| 18:12.59 | kevinz | bob2: i need to do that according to the install instruaction |
| 18:13.00 | kaplanfx | Wyzard: I mean the kernel-sources |
| 18:13.10 | kaplanfx | where can I read about the debian specific patches |
| 18:13.12 | bob2 | nicedreams: aren't you using ubuntu? |
| 18:13.19 | metaperl | I see... well if you ever want to lease out some bandwidth/diskspace, I am: bauhaus@metaperl.com |
| 18:13.20 | kaplanfx | vs a stock kernel.org source |
| 18:13.20 | ArchitectSinan | I decided to have a "fresh" debian machine. And i want "sarge" but i have woody 3.0r2 discs. Now i'll install with "bf24" ? Is it a good idea or not ? |
| 18:13.38 | metaperl | I have to disengage myself from IRC for a bit here |
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| 18:13.44 | nicedreams | yea, but i use debian also and they are about the same. I use ubuntu at home and debian at work |
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| 18:13.50 | Wyzard | kaplanfx: oh, I see what you mean... there's probably info in /usr/share/doc/kernel-source-<ver> |
| 18:13.52 | kaplanfx | also it seems debian is not maintaining the new minor versions, there is an alsa patch in 2.6.11.7 that I probably want seeing as I use dmix |
| 18:13.54 | nicedreams | and this is a debian question |
| 18:13.55 | bob2 | nicedreams: rcconf |
| 18:14.01 | nicedreams | bob2, nice.....thx |
| 18:14.16 | humbolt | how can I force every new home dir to be created with sgid bit set? |
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| 18:14.22 | imatsu | Buenas tardes, me podrian decir como montar una tarjeta capturadora de video chip bt878 |
| 18:14.29 | kaplanfx | Wyzard: so I have to install the kernel-source package to read about what patches make it diff from a kernel.org source package? |
| 18:14.32 | aardvark | !es |
| 18:14.33 | dpkg | Hispanohablantes: Por favor usen #debian-es, alli obtendran mas ayuda. Spanish Speakers: Please use #debian-es, there you will get much more help. |
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| 18:15.07 | kevinz | bob2: so do you know about the gcc library environment variable? |
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| 18:15.13 | bob2 | kevinz: that makes no sense |
| 18:15.16 | Wyzard | kaplanfx: There might be another way, but I don't know of it offhand |
| 18:15.38 | Wyzard | kaplanfx: I guess you could get the .diff.gz from the package's page on packages.debian.org and inspect that |
| 18:15.53 | Jon | heh, the gtk2-engines-mist package no longer contains anything other than a gtk2rc, and the metacity xml file doesn't belong to anything else according to apt-file. methinks the latest package (an nmu? maintainer field has changed at least), has a somewhat severe bug in it :)_ |
| 18:16.01 | kaplanfx | Wyzard: I'll try that |
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| 18:16.39 | kevinz | bob2: ah i am sorry. I just know what i need to do make a new library directory known to the gcc compiler, so it knows to seek in the directory when compiling |
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| 18:16.55 | Wyzard | Jon: On my system, gtk2-engines-mist (1:2.6.1-1) contains /usr/lib/gtk-2.0/2.4.0/engines/libmist.so |
| 18:17.06 | bob2 | kevinz: right, then you need to pass it a -L/path/to/those/libs option |
| 18:17.34 | kaplanfx | Wyzard: http://packages.debian.org/cgi-bin/search_contents.pl?searchmode=filelist&word=kernel-source-2.6.11&version=unstable&arch=all which .gz do you think would have that info? |
| 18:17.34 | bob2 | kevinz: afaik it's not possible to do using an env var |
| 18:18.13 | Wyzard | kaplanfx: http://packages.debian.org/unstable/devel/kernel-source-2.6.11 -- scroll down to the bottom and find the line that says "Source Package:" |
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| 18:18.21 | Wyzard | kaplanfx: The diff.gz is at the end of that line |
| 18:18.35 | kaplanfx | Wyzard: ah thanks |
| 18:18.44 | humbolt | I want every new homedirectory chmod g+s. how can I automate this process using standard tools? |
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| 18:18.59 | bob2 | humbolt: adduser has no option for that? |
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| 18:19.02 | kevinz | bob2: ok thanks |
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| 18:19.20 | humbolt | bob2: no standard way for that at all? |
| 18:19.23 | Wyzard | humbolt: Read the adduser manpage... I'm pretty sure there's someplace you can put scripts that it'll run automatically after creating a user |
| 18:19.37 | starscalling | ok. |
| 18:19.41 | kaplanfx | nothing interesting it seems, maybe a vesafb patch |
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| 18:19.52 | kaplanfx | stock kernel.org kernels seem to work well for me |
| 18:19.59 | bob2 | humbolt: "standard" = "across all unices"? no. |
| 18:20.00 | Wyzard | kaplanfx: The vesafb patch is to make vesafb compilable as a module |
| 18:20.04 | starscalling | if i want to make my usb drive work what do i need to do? |
| 18:20.12 | Wyzard | kaplanfx: There's also the cramfs patch, which is necessary if you want to use an initrd |
| 18:20.17 | kaplanfx | Wyzard: hmm, wonder why the hell someone would want that |
| 18:20.18 | starscalling | the drive is partitioned, yet i need to edit /etc/fstab |
| 18:20.26 | starscalling | how do i do so and what do i put in there |
| 18:20.30 | bob2 | starscalling: use a 2.6 kernel. use gnome 2.8 or later. install gnome-volume-manager. plug in drive. enjoy! |
| 18:20.31 | humbolt | Is there a way to force apache creating files with the group owner ship of the specific vhost dir? |
| 18:20.44 | kaplanfx | I use standard IDE as my /boot so I can safely avoid the evils of initrd |
| 18:20.44 | starscalling | gnome volume manager huh |
| 18:20.48 | CyL | How do I set my system to scan for a dhcp server every time it boots? |
| 18:20.50 | Severity | starscalling, apt-get install usbview |
| 18:20.53 | Wyzard | kaplanfx: I think the modular vesafb is for initrd purposes, but I'm not sure of the exact reasoning |
| 18:21.13 | bob2 | CyL: /msg dpkg man interfaces |
| 18:21.14 | starscalling | how do i find what gnome im running? im sure its the latest |
| 18:21.15 | Wyzard | kaplanfx: That patch was broken until recently, in fact -- vesafb wouldn't work when compiled in statically :-) |
| 18:21.20 | smoser | CyL, man interfaces |
| 18:21.31 | Wyzard | starscalling: dpkg -s gnome-panel |
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| 18:22.22 | kevinz | bob2: how to settle the new header files for gcc to use when compiling? |
| 18:22.32 | Wyzard | starscalling: You don't need kernel 2.6 and GNOME 2.8 just for the basic functionality of being able to manually mount your USB device... that's just to have GNOME detect and mount it automatically when you plug it in |
| 18:22.33 | fl0w | hey0. does anyone here have a Presario 15xx with debian running on it? |
| 18:22.41 | CyL | bob2, smoser: i've set eth0 to be dhcp in /etc/network/interfaces, but it seems to have no effect |
| 18:22.54 | elephant | hi all |
| 18:22.58 | bob2 | kevinz: -I/path/to/whatever |
| 18:23.03 | kevinz | ls |
| 18:23.05 | bob2 | CyL: did you tell it to bring it up on boot? |
| 18:23.13 | bob2 | CyL: (auto eth0) |
| 18:23.19 | smoser | CyL, iface eth0 inet dhcp |
| 18:23.23 | Ferret | Wyzard: Yeah, you were right, it does have parted. |
| 18:23.27 | CyL | smoser: yeap... |
| 18:23.34 | smoser | it really should work. if not I'd start to question your dhcp server |
| 18:23.35 | elephant | how to see .mov, .wmv or rpm (real) web videos in linux |
| 18:23.36 | CyL | bob2: I'm afraid not |
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| 18:23.44 | smoser | run 'dhclient eth0' manually and see what happens |
| 18:23.55 | bob2 | CyL: that's what you're missing |
| 18:24.00 | smoser | sounds like it |
| 18:24.11 | CyL | smoser: that works for me... th problem is that i do that every time i boot |
| 18:24.18 | CyL | bob2: thanks buddy |
| 18:24.31 | Wyzard | elephant: mplayer can do that... /msg dpkg marillat |
| 18:25.05 | elephant | Wyzard: ok thanx |
| 18:25.48 | Ferret | elephant: also /msg dpkg dfind mozplugger, /msg dpkg plugger might help... |
| 18:25.49 | kaplanfx | whoa ubuntu is destroying on distrowatch most active |
| 18:26.03 | bob2 | kaplanfx: distrowatch is meaningless |
| 18:26.06 | kaplanfx | i've never seen any distro hit 3000 over a month |
| 18:26.10 | kaplanfx | bob2: heh |
| 18:26.12 | bob2 | tho ubuntu seems very popular nonetheless |
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| 18:26.14 | Severity | I have an ATI Radeon 9100...and when I was using fedora..this guy had fglrx rpms, and kernel modules for the default Fedora Core 3....All wrapped nicely in an rpm..so getting 3d accel was just installing one rpm. |
| 18:26.17 | kaplanfx | bob2: fun to look at anyway |
| 18:26.18 | Severity | Is there something like that for debian? |
| 18:26.18 | Ferret | kaplanfx: Fickle people and their toys.. |
| 18:26.19 | fl0w | What's the shortcut to run a program? |
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| 18:26.28 | Wyzard | And it even manages that with its ugly brown default theme... :-) |
| 18:26.31 | Severity | 2.6.8-1-386 is what I use. |
| 18:26.33 | Severity | sarge |
| 18:26.53 | kaplanfx | I'd be quite happy with debian if they moved x.org into unstable, I really don't even care about a sarge release |
| 18:27.05 | Ferret | fl0w: Huh? Type its name at the prompt and press enter. |
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| 18:27.21 | Wyzard | kaplanfx: That'll happen after sarge is released... not before, because it'd complicate updating sarge's XFree86 |
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| 18:28.00 | kaplanfx | Wyzard: I understand, but it kinda defeats the purpose of SID being bleeding edge if sarges impending release can effect what packages go into unstable |
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| 18:28.03 | kaplanfx | at least imho |
| 18:28.07 | hermitkid | whoa there |
| 18:28.11 | bob2 | fl0w: do you mean "What's the shortcut to run a program in gnome?" or something similar? |
| 18:28.17 | kaplanfx | im sticking with debian for the time being anyhow |
| 18:28.44 | CyL | bob2: I also would like to get me a new kernel... would be better to compile a new opne, or get it via apt? |
| 18:28.48 | hermitkid | I'm having a bitch of a time with my damn mouse, clicks are way too damn sensitive and I cannot for the life of me figure out how to tone the click/double click speed down |
| 18:28.53 | bob2 | CyL: I'd get it via apt |
| 18:29.22 | hermitkid | anybody have any pointers I'm sick of closing two tabs at a time |
| 18:29.37 | Wyzard | kaplanfx: sid isn't meant to be bleeding-edge by definition... it's meant to be a brokenness filter for testing |
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| 18:30.25 | Wyzard | kaplanfx: If you want bleeding-edge all the time, run Gentoo :-) |
| 18:30.26 | kaplanfx | Wyzard: exactly, we should be testing x.org right now, esp. if sarge is frozen |
| 18:30.32 | kaplanfx | Gentoo sucks ass |
| 18:30.34 | CyL | bob2: wouldn't I get a better performance with a kernel built speciffically for my machine? |
| 18:30.43 | kaplanfx | Wyzard: by the time I finish compiling the system it won' |
| 18:30.49 | kaplanfx | t be bleeding edge anymore |
| 18:31.08 | starscalling | hmmmmmm |
| 18:31.11 | Wyzard | kaplanfx: No, because introducing x.org to sarge would be too big a change at this point, and putting it in unstable but keeping XFree86 in testing would complcate updates to testing's XFree86 |
| 18:31.21 | starscalling | i installed the upbview |
| 18:31.32 | starscalling | only told me where things were. |
| 18:31.36 | Wyzard | kaplanfx: They'd have to go through the testing-proposed-updates mechanism rather than the usual propagation from unstable |
| 18:31.57 | bob2 | CyL: not really |
| 18:32.07 | Wyzard | kaplanfx: and that requires manual intervention of a release maintainer IIRC |
| 18:32.10 | bob2 | CyL: there are 686 whatever kernels in the Debian apt system anyway |
| 18:32.27 | starscalling | but when i look at the filesystem it doesnt show the usb drives.. how do i do the other thing bob2 |
| 18:32.43 | bob2 | starscalling: did you do what I said yet? |
| 18:32.55 | Wyzard | kaplanfx: Once sarge is released, sid will be getting X.org, GCC 3.4, and GNOME 2.10 |
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| 18:33.15 | kaplanfx | Wyzard: nice :) |
| 18:33.27 | kaplanfx | and kde 3.4? im already using the preview packages |
| 18:33.36 | Wyzard | kaplanfx: Possibly; I dunno |
| 18:33.57 | Wyzard | kaplanfx: The GNOME 2.10 packages are being prepared in experimental -- you might check whether KDE's there too |
| 18:34.13 | starscalling | its already in there bob |
| 18:34.13 | kaplanfx | Wyzard: nope, there is only a preview release |
| 18:34.35 | starscalling | *bob2 |
| 18:34.35 | bob2 | note that the only real solution is to get Debian to release faster |
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| 18:34.52 | Wyzard | bob2: naturally... and that'll be helped by the dropping archs thing |
| 18:35.15 | kevinz | bob2: sorry i still have to do something to make the new libraries to be "Shared Libraries" such that some program depending on them can be run. |
| 18:35.37 | bob2 | kevinz: building shared libraries by hand is a massive pain in the arse [*] |
| 18:35.47 | bob2 | *: not on Debian, but to do it portably is fucked in the head |
| 18:36.09 | kevinz | bob2: ah, but i got all the .so do i still have to build it? |
| 18:36.14 | starscalling | so bob2 if the volume manager is in already then how do i make it work? |
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| 18:36.17 | bob2 | kevinz: no |
| 18:36.27 | bob2 | starscalling: you don't, it's already working |
| 18:36.51 | starscalling | then why doent it show up in the computer:/// |
| 18:37.00 | starscalling | i got photos on my camera i need etc |
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| 18:37.17 | bob2 | awesome |
| 18:37.37 | Wyzard | starscalling: Applications -> Desktop Preferences -> Removable Drives and Media |
| 18:37.44 | Wyzard | starscalling: Make sure it's set to mount things automatically |
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| 18:38.36 | kevinz | bob2: can i just add the library directory to /etc/ld.so.conf? |
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| 18:38.49 | UNINVITED | Como cierro a la mala un programa que se me trabo |
| 18:38.54 | Wyzard | starscalling: Are you sure your camera is a mountable device, btw? Some newer cameras only support something called PTP, Picture Transfer Protocol, so you have to use an app like gthumb rather than just mounting the camera |
| 18:38.55 | starscalling | wyzard it is |
| 18:39.17 | starscalling | um on the camera it worked in windows and i have no clue |
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| 18:39.29 | bob2 | kevinz: for running it, yes |
| 18:39.44 | bob2 | kevinz: for compiling, no, you have to pass the right -l/path/to/them option to gcc |
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| 18:39.49 | Wyzard | starscalling: a |
| 18:39.51 | Wyzard | oops |
| 18:39.52 | bob2 | kevinz: this software seems incredibly crappily designed |
| 18:39.56 | Wyzard | starscalling: apt-get install hal-device-manager |
| 18:39.59 | crashbg | <PROTECTED> |
| 18:40.10 | Wyzard | starscalling: Then run Applications -> System Tools -> Device Manager |
| 18:40.12 | kevinz | bob2: ah thanks, i have a clew now. |
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| 18:41.10 | bob2 | kevinz: this should all be automatic for you, I'd totally be bugging the author politely to automate it |
| 18:41.13 | Wyzard | starscalling: You can use that to find your camera, and see whether it's listed as a "USB PTP Interface" or a "USB Mass Storage Interface" |
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| 18:41.34 | dwu_ | why is it that after i flushed my iptables and change my ip address that "ping foo" and doing a tcpdump still indicate that im using an old address as a "from ip" |
| 18:41.36 | remote | dpkg: xdefaults ?? |
| 18:41.36 | dpkg | well, xdefaults is xrdb -merge ~/.Xdefaults, or call it ~/.Xresources to have gdm merge it automatically |
| 18:41.48 | remote | gdm .. |
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| 18:42.26 | starscalling | usb mass storage device |
| 18:42.35 | siab21 | I'm having a terrible time getting a decent looking font on my gnome terminal or konsole. |
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| 18:43.31 | bob2 | yeah, they always looked crap for me |
| 18:43.35 | crashbg | anyone using synaptics tochpad on debian? |
| 18:43.36 | siab21 | What I really want is exactly the font that XEmacs uses when I type "emacs -fn 7x13" but I don't know how to identify that font or tell terminal program to use it. |
| 18:43.37 | bob2 | half of the reason I went back to exterm |
| 18:43.55 | juanmals | crashbg i am using it |
| 18:44.06 | kevinz | bob2: i see, yes it is troublesome, maybe just for expertized user.. It also support mutilple platforms as well. |
| 18:44.23 | juanmals | vaio b1xp with synaptics touchpad in debian sid |
| 18:44.38 | bob2 | kevinz: yeah, it should be using autotools to automate all this |
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| 18:44.45 | siab21 | ~: apt-cache search exterm |
| 18:44.46 | siab21 | dadadodo - Exterminates all rational thought |
| 18:44.51 | crashbg | juanmals, what did you install |
| 18:44.53 | Wyzard | starscalling: (coming back for a moment) Make sure your user is in the "plugdev" group, or you won't have permission to mount the device |
| 18:45.04 | starscalling | so in short.. i have everything all yall asked me to put in, my cam is a usb mass storage device |
| 18:45.05 | starscalling | er |
| 18:45.14 | crashbg | juanmals, can you disable the touchpad with ksynaptics or qsynaptics |
| 18:45.16 | starscalling | plugdev group? how do i do that? |
| 18:45.21 | juanmals | I parched rhe kernel |
| 18:45.22 | Wyzard | starscalling: The tool that's actually used to do the mounting is "pmount", which lets a plugdev user mount things that aren't in fstab |
| 18:45.28 | bob2 | siab21: er, xterm |
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| 18:45.33 | Wyzard | starscalling: As root, "adduser <your_username> plugdev", then log out and back in |
| 18:45.37 | juanmals | i have never tried to disable the touchpad |
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| 18:45.59 | crashbg | does horiz and vertical scrolling work? |
| 18:46.17 | juanmals | yeah |
| 18:46.18 | starscalling | im already a member of plugdev |
| 18:46.18 | siab21 | But I have had good fonts on gnome-terminal (on RH9 ) and I love having a tabbed terminal program. i mean I really really like the tabs |
| 18:46.22 | starscalling | <3 sudo XD |
| 18:46.46 | bob2 | starscalling: does "groups' agree that you're in plugdev? |
| 18:46.58 | Wyzard | starscalling: After you log back in, running "groups" from a terminal should show plugdev in the list |
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| 18:47.11 | siab21 | I could use screen instead of tabs but I can't get the scrollback buffer to work correctly |
| 18:47.32 | starscalling | hmmm |
| 18:47.44 | starscalling | do i just type "groups" to run that? |
| 18:47.48 | Wyzard | yes |
| 18:47.54 | starscalling | nothing happens at all |
| 18:47.57 | starscalling | oh wait |
| 18:48.08 | Wyzard | from a terminal... you need to be able to see the output |
| 18:48.12 | starscalling | users dialout cdrom floppy audio video plugdev |
| 18:48.14 | Wyzard | It's not a GUI program |
| 18:48.15 | Wyzard | ok |
| 18:48.17 | starscalling | yeah im there |
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| 18:49.01 | Wyzard | starscalling: Try "pmount /dev/sda1 mycamera" and see if it gets mounted on /media/camera |
| 18:49.05 | takatumi_ | siab21: screen scrollback? ctrl-a escape ain't working? |
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| 18:49.25 | Wyzard | starscalling: That's what gnome-volume-manager is actually doing under the hood, so if it's returning an error, you'll be able to see it this way |
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| 18:50.05 | fae | I'm trying to compile something and its telling me I need c++. There seems to be so many c++/g++ packages, cananyone recomment which one I might actually need? |
| 18:50.08 | Wyzard | oops, that'd get mounted on /media/mycamera, not /media/camera... you get the idea |
| 18:50.12 | siab21 | well first i had to map from ctrl-a to ctrl-[ because I use emacs keybyindins. but then no, ctrl-[ esc doesn't work (although this is from PuTTY in Windows that I tried it, haven't tried on plain XTerm. it hsould work?) |
| 18:50.16 | takatumi_ | !b-e fae |
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| 18:50.17 | dpkg | fae: Sounds like you need to install build-essential. |
| 18:50.18 | arturaz | OT: can i run some process directly to tty? |
| 18:50.19 | starscalling | hmm |
| 18:50.29 | siab21 | fae: does it say anything more specific than "you need c++" ? |
| 18:50.40 | starscalling | its just sitting there and not doing anything really.. no return anything |
| 18:50.58 | Wyzard | It just blocks and doesn't give you your prompt back? |
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| 18:51.14 | starscalling | yeah |
| 18:51.33 | Wyzard | As root, from another terminal, run "dmesg" and see if there are any obvious errors |
| 18:51.39 | nSe | what i have to do in order to install a version of a package that is in sid but not in sarge yet? |
| 18:52.00 | fae | siab21, well, I've since lost the info because the screen scrollback is not long enough. I guess I can ask again in 20 minutes when itfinishes trying to compile again. hehe |
| 18:52.11 | starscalling | can i just do a sudo wizard? |
| 18:52.17 | Wyzard | yeah |
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| 18:52.31 | starscalling | wow |
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| 18:52.43 | starscalling | all kinds of crap |
| 18:53.02 | Wyzard | Well, there'll be lots of messages... any errors though? |
| 18:53.10 | starscalling | UDF-fs: No partition found (1) |
| 18:53.10 | starscalling | SCSI error: host 2 id 0 lun 0 return code = 6000000 |
| 18:53.10 | starscalling | <PROTECTED> |
| 18:53.23 | Wyzard | interesting |
| 18:53.33 | starscalling | i got a lot more |
| 18:53.34 | starscalling | but yeah |
| 18:53.35 | Wyzard | Can you ctrl-C that pmount command? |
| 18:53.43 | starscalling | yup |
| 18:53.46 | Wyzard | ok |
| 18:53.48 | ArchitectSinan | Let's say i added "proftpd" package. And i want to see the "blue configuration" screen after installation. How can i see this screen ? (Were these screens Ncurses based thing ?) |
| 18:54.04 | Wyzard | Try running fdisk on the camera... strange as it may sound, just see if it successfully reads a partition table |
| 18:54.09 | Rawplayer | dpkg-reconfigure proftpd |
| 18:54.11 | siab21 | architectsinan: i think its "dpkg-reconfigure" |
| 18:54.13 | Rawplayer | try that |
| 18:54.14 | bob2 | ArchitectSinan: if it had one, it'd have been run |
| 18:54.18 | Wyzard | (Note that I don't actually know for sure whether it would have a partition table) |
| 18:54.32 | ArchitectSinan | Rawplayer,siab21: thanks so much:) |
| 18:54.40 | starscalling | er |
| 18:54.40 | siab21 | np |
| 18:54.51 | starscalling | im totally ignorant of these commands |
| 18:54.59 | starscalling | how do i do a fdisk |
| 18:55.03 | Wyzard | starscalling: cfdisk /dev/sda |
| 18:55.06 | ArchitectSinan | bob2: :) but i want use the "configuration" screens in .deb package ;) |
| 18:55.10 | siab21 | be careful doing fdisk if you are ignorant :) |
| 18:55.11 | Wyzard | starscalling: If it starts without complaining, just quit |
| 18:55.20 | bob2 | ArchitectSinan: if it had one, it would have been run after the install |
| 18:55.21 | Wyzard | siab21: He's not changing anything, just checking whether there's a valid partition table |
| 18:55.30 | starscalling | cfdisk: command not found |
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| 18:55.35 | siab21 | try this then: fdisk -l /dev/sda |
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| 18:55.45 | starscalling | fdisk wasnt found either |
| 18:55.52 | siab21 | (that's -l as in little L, not numeral one) |
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| 18:56.01 | ArchitectSinan | bob2: ok friend but what if you want to "reconfigure" to do some different things with the package ? |
| 18:56.11 | p8m | Do you have to be root to use fdisk? |
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| 18:56.18 | starscalling | yeah got that bit siab21 tis just being mean |
| 18:56.21 | bob2 | ArchitectSinan: then what Rawplayer said |
| 18:56.38 | ArchitectSinan | bob2: ok thx :) |
| 18:57.10 | siab21 | starscalling: apt-get install util-linux |
| 18:57.18 | zorton | what directory should I store localy created dpkg's? like the kernel-image I'm compiling for instance? I want apt to pick up on it |
| 18:57.19 | starscalling | Buffer I/O error on device hdb, logical block 282898 |
| 18:57.27 | starscalling | tried doing as root style |
| 18:57.40 | Rawplayer | thats ot good |
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| 18:57.55 | bob2 | zorton: there's nowhere apt will pick it up by default |
| 18:57.59 | Wyzard | starscalling: On hdb? That's not even related to accessing your camera... |
| 18:58.13 | xiaogil | How to know what is the default font of each language installed for my computer ? |
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| 18:58.25 | starscalling | here we go |
| 18:58.25 | zorton | bob2: so just make a directory and create a debs/Packages.gz? |
| 18:58.47 | bob2 | zorton: yeah |
| 18:58.50 | starscalling | fatal error: bad primary partition o:partition ends in final cylender |
| 18:58.53 | bob2 | zorton: and add it to /etc/apt/sources.list |
| 18:58.59 | starscalling | for the cfdisk one |
| 18:59.05 | bob2 | zorton: dpkg-scanpackages . /dev/null > ./Packages |
| 18:59.07 | siab21 | starscaling: is there any data you need on this disk? |
| 18:59.19 | Wyzard | starscalling: Is that on the camera or on hdb? |
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| 19:00.43 | swalker | Where/how do I go about installing GLIBC_2.3 on Woody? |
| 19:00.49 | siab21 | provided there is no hardware problem, you could just make the disk blank and then fdisk should have no trouble making a proper partition on it |
| 19:00.54 | bob2 | swalker: you don't |
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| 19:01.05 | bob2 | swalker: you get a woody version of whatever software you're trying to run |
| 19:01.11 | streuner | swalker: upgrade to sarge unless you running a server |
| 19:01.13 | bob2 | swalker: please don't tell my it's counterstrike |
| 19:01.19 | starscalling | Wyzard, sudo cfdisk /dev/sda |
| 19:01.20 | siab21 | lol |
| 19:01.30 | starscalling | gave me that error lol |
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| 19:01.37 | swalker | it's not counterstrike |
| 19:01.39 | Wyzard | starscalling: Either the data on your camera is corrupted, or (more likely) the driver is confused or something |
| 19:01.49 | bob2 | swalker: and the name of the software is ... |
| 19:01.50 | starscalling | the driver has to be confused |
| 19:01.52 | Wyzard | starscalling: I'd try rebooting |
| 19:01.53 | swalker | I have a app that I need to install on my server and it required GLIBC_2.3 |
| 19:01.55 | starscalling | the cam was fine a few days ago |
| 19:01.59 | starscalling | CRAP |
| 19:01.59 | streuner | swalker: its a secret? |
| 19:02.02 | starscalling | i dont wannnnnnna |
| 19:02.10 | streuner | fuck |
| 19:02.10 | swalker | /lib/libc.so.6: version `GLIBC_2.3' not found (required by bash) |
| 19:02.13 | starscalling | i thought rebooting didnt fix anything in linux |
| 19:02.15 | Wyzard | starscalling: Or try the camera on a different Linux system first |
| 19:02.17 | swalker | yes, it's a secret for now... |
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| 19:02.37 | Wyzard | starscalling: Rebooting won't fix software configuration problems, but it does have the effect of restarting confused hardware drivers :-) |
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| 19:02.56 | streuner | swalker: how do think we can you help then? |
| 19:02.57 | swalker | so, there it's not possible to have glibc 2.3 on woody? |
| 19:02.58 | bob2 | streuner: ? |
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| 19:03.05 | bob2 | swalker: it wouldn't be called woody then |
| 19:03.09 | starscalling | ok then |
| 19:03.11 | streuner | bob2: well, i don't know an answer then |
| 19:03.11 | bob2 | swalker: fix your broken software or upgrade to sarge |
| 19:03.19 | bob2 | swalker: or make a sarge chroot |
| 19:03.23 | starscalling | brb restarting dam you hardwaredrivers! |
| 19:03.33 | swalker | It's not "broken", I just need to get the glibc 2.2 build then.... |
| 19:03.35 | siab21 | swalker: if you dont want to upgrade to sarge |
| 19:03.38 | Wyzard | swalker: Your app was compiled using a newer version of libc6 than woody has... if you don't want to upgrade, see if you can get a version that's compiled against woody's libc6 |
| 19:03.43 | bob2 | swalker: yes |
| 19:03.51 | swalker | I was just hoping that I can install glibc 2.3, that is all |
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| 19:03.55 | bob2 | swalker: this is why non-distro binary software is painful |
| 19:03.56 | humbolt | isnt there some debconf setting for systemwide readable home dirs? |
| 19:04.02 | bob2 | swalker: you can, it's called "upgrading to sarge: |
| 19:04.20 | imahcine | hey. is it possible to use gtk1 instead of gtk2 in debian? |
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| 19:04.28 | humbolt | how is that managed and how can I change this setting: dpkg-reconigure what? |
| 19:04.33 | streuner | imahcine: sure |
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| 19:04.40 | imahcine | streuner, how do i do that? |
| 19:04.45 | bob2 | imahcine: no, it's not possible to make programs use a different toolkit at runtime |
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| 19:04.46 | siab21 | i run sarge for some web application servers, and it works great. perfectly stable |
| 19:04.49 | imahcine | streuner, i want mozilla gtk1 |
| 19:04.59 | streuner | imahcine: get the debs and install it |
| 19:05.01 | imahcine | bob2, but is there no gtk1 packages? |
| 19:05.01 | Wyzard | imahcine: You can't substitute one for the other... a program that's meant to use gtk2 can't use gtk1, and vice-versa |
| 19:05.04 | swalker | alright, thanks |
| 19:05.04 | siab21 | i alslo have a woody server for FileMaker 5.5. server (ugh!) because it requires the older glibc |
| 19:05.13 | bob2 | imahcine: then you need to recompile mozilla yourself |
| 19:05.15 | Wyzard | imahcine: but if you have programs meant for gtk1, they'll work fine in Debian |
| 19:05.27 | streuner | imahcine: which take ages |
| 19:05.28 | imahcine | Wyzard, i am aware of athat. but perhaphs there is a package set with gnome-1 etc. |
| 19:05.32 | bob2 | imahcine: there are indeed libgtk1.2 packages, but mozilla in sarge is not built against it |
| 19:05.38 | Wyzard | bob2: gtk2 isn't API-compatible with gtk1... I doubt he'd be able to just recompile |
| 19:05.41 | imahcine | jesus. people. one by one. |
| 19:05.42 | p8m | Thanks to xmms gtk1 will never go away. |
| 19:05.46 | imahcine | i understan. thank you. |
| 19:05.50 | imahcine | but thats MANYanswers :D |
| 19:05.55 | imahcine | let me read. ;] |
| 19:05.59 | siab21 | by the way filemaker is my bane |
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| 19:06.06 | IcedEarth | Wyzard: Mozilla can be built against GTK1, GTK2 or Qt, if not directly from source then from a patchset |
| 19:06.16 | IcedEarth | Oops, I have the wrong nick on this network :o |
| 19:06.18 | bob2 | Wyzard: but mozilla worked against both at compile time, aiui |
| 19:06.20 | Sentia | permissions problem. I have changed the owner of a directory and it's files to www, I've added user xxx to group www, the ls -l for the directory shows group xxx has -rw permissions, but when I vi the a file I get a read-only message when I try to save. |
| 19:06.22 | bob2 | er, last I checked |
| 19:06.48 | siab21 | did you change the group of the directory to www? |
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| 19:07.10 | Sentia | I think so |
| 19:07.13 | imahcine | streuner, yeah. thats exactly what i want :]\ |
| 19:07.13 | Sentia | checking |
| 19:07.17 | imahcine | streuner, xchat :] |
| 19:07.23 | imahcine | streuner, do you have a deb? |
| 19:07.29 | imahcine | streuner, or a repository> |
| 19:07.34 | imahcine | for apt? |
| 19:07.37 | streuner | imahcine: woody? |
| 19:07.43 | imahcine | streuner, sid. |
| 19:07.59 | streuner | imahcine: no - the debs for 1.8.9 are in woody |
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| 19:08.10 | imahcine | but woody is too old. |
| 19:08.10 | imahcine | :] |
| 19:08.16 | imahcine | i want sid. |
| 19:08.20 | imahcine | but with gtk1. |
| 19:08.20 | imahcine | :] |
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| 19:08.27 | imahcine | or a switch. |
| 19:08.32 | bob2 | why would anyone want gtk1? |
| 19:08.33 | imahcine | like gtk-switch reconfigure |
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| 19:08.38 | valdyn_ | imahcine: whats the point of gtk1 ? |
| 19:08.38 | Sentia | yes directory is in the www group |
| 19:08.40 | imahcine | bob2, cause its cool. |
| 19:08.42 | imahcine | :] |
| 19:08.46 | imahcine | it looks better on lcds. |
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| 19:08.51 | bob2 | imahcine: in the sense Motif is cool? |
| 19:08.51 | imahcine | without the antialias. |
| 19:08.53 | valdyn_ | imahcine: no it doesnt |
| 19:08.57 | bob2 | imahcine: if you don't like AA< disable it |
| 19:08.58 | imahcine | unless i can use gtk2 without antialias? |
| 19:09.08 | bob2 | of course |
| 19:09.08 | imahcine | hmm i havent thought of that. |
| 19:09.08 | imahcine | :P |
| 19:09.09 | imahcine | :D |
| 19:09.11 | Wyzard | imahcine: You can turn off the AA... but most people would say AA looks better |
| 19:09.11 | imahcine | hahaha. |
| 19:09.12 | imahcine | okay. |
| 19:09.13 | imahcine | sure. |
| 19:09.18 | valdyn_ | imahcine: you can configure font display to look as ugly in gtk2 as it does on gtk1 |
| 19:09.21 | imahcine | let me se. |
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| 19:09.26 | Wyzard | imahcine: The whole point is to render the text more accurately to the true shapes |
| 19:09.33 | siab21 | you would think that with our advanced software technology, we could make it possible to install both two versions of glibc at the same time, and specify which one a program should use to run. |
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| 19:09.41 | streuner | those gtk2 apps mostly look not as good as the gtk1 apps, i think. |
| 19:09.46 | imahcine | Wyzard, i want almost console fonts. |
| 19:09.52 | imahcine | Wyzard, no shaping just big consoles. |
| 19:09.56 | bob2 | siab21: it's called "use a dependency system" or "use a chroot" |
| 19:09.57 | imahcine | Wyzard, i mostly use ION. |
| 19:09.57 | Misogynist | GTK2 is really, really slow on older systems relative to GTK1. |
| 19:10.00 | valdyn_ | siab21: suprisingle that _is_ possible |
| 19:10.01 | Misogynist | That's why someone would use GTK1. |
| 19:10.05 | Wyzard | imahcine: Then run a console... Mozilla is a web browser |
| 19:10.19 | siab21 | heh |
| 19:10.31 | imahcine | Wyzard, i just have to use gnome on tghis mahcine. |
| 19:10.36 | siab21 | Sentia |
| 19:10.38 | bob2 | siab21: you can't have two at the sametime because they have the same SONAME. so you either use chroots, or fix things so it's never a problem (like how you never have issues with software in Debian) |
| 19:10.43 | imahcine | okay brb, ui need to make dinner :] |
| 19:10.58 | starscalling | oh yeah |
| 19:11.00 | starscalling | lets face it |
| 19:11.12 | starscalling | its NEVER gonna show up |
| 19:11.21 | siab21 | If you add a user to a new group it might not take effect until you log out and log bacmk in. At the user prompt type "id" and see if it says that user is in the group "www" |
| 19:11.26 | valdyn_ | LD_PRELOAD could do it, or LD_LIBRARY_PATH |
| 19:11.40 | Wyzard | starscalling: Have you tried it on a different system? |
| 19:12.02 | siab21 | why don't they generalize the SONAME so it can include a version number? |
| 19:12.03 | bob2 | valdyn_: oh, good point |
| 19:12.09 | Wyzard | starscalling: Also, search the web to see whether others have had problems with that particular model... I've never had any problems with any usb-storage device, but maybe it's a quirk of that camera |
| 19:12.11 | bob2 | siab21: it does include a version number |
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| 19:13.10 | starscalling | i only have this system with debian so no chance to try on another.. the system sees the thing when i look int he device manager just nothing when i look in the computer folder |
| 19:13.39 | Wyzard | starscalling: The problem with mounting is because of those SCSI errors you saw, and pmount hanging... that's what you want to focus on debugging |
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| 19:14.32 | siab21 | "you can't have two at the sametime because they have the same SONAME" - but if the version is in the SONAME and they are different versions then wouldnt they have differnet SONAME? and then there would be no conflict to have two installed |
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| 19:14.41 | a_monkey | how come there doesn't seem to be a single distro that includes "mplayer" as a package? |
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| 19:14.44 | a_monkey | not even debian |
| 19:14.54 | valdyn_ | siab21: complain to whoever produced this shitty binary you are having problem with |
| 19:14.58 | bob2 | siab21: software that cares if you have glibc 2.3.1 or 2.3.2 is broken |
| 19:14.58 | a_monkey | it's really popular.. |
| 19:15.02 | bob2 | or you found a glibc bug |
| 19:15.04 | Wyzard | !tell a_monkey about mplayer |
| 19:15.15 | Wyzard | a_monkey: mplayer is very legally dubious |
| 19:15.29 | bob2 | a_monkey: it violates a hojillion patents |
| 19:15.32 | ArchitectSinan | i've got a fresh woody now. and i need to add "tulip" ethernet card module. i use "insmod tulip" and it works perfectly. But i want this module to load at startup. What should i do ? |
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| 19:15.44 | bob2 | a_monkey: and the authors are dumbasses and were violating the GPL up until last year |
| 19:15.51 | scott | anyone using gmailfs (gmail file system)? |
| 19:15.51 | bob2 | ArchitectSinan: add it to /etc/modules |
| 19:16.05 | bob2 | scott: #ubuntu |
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| 19:16.10 | siab21 | i believe you put a line in /etc/modules |
| 19:16.19 | bob2 | scott: but it's not a useful filesystem, it's only intended as a joke |
| 19:16.40 | Rambo3 | like FAT? |
| 19:16.44 | ArchitectSinan | What is the line format for "/etc/modules" file ? |
| 19:16.58 | valdyn_ | Rambo3: fat *does* have its uses |
| 19:17.11 | bob2 | Rambo3: hah |
| 19:17.21 | bob2 | ArchitectSinan: simplest possible, name on a line, no quotes |
| 19:17.36 | ArchitectSinan | bob2: perfect :) thanks |
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| 19:18.51 | siab21 | architectsinan:> |
| 19:18.59 | siab21 | what hardware roughyl us your new woody box |
| 19:19.05 | siab21 | i mean |
| 19:19.07 | a_monkey | is there a way i can have movies or mp3 files played in firefox windows w/out having to dload them? like quicktime/safari? |
| 19:19.13 | siab21 | ATA100 hard drive? |
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| 19:19.25 | ArchitectSinan | yes /etc/modules is ok :) it worked, thx all again :) |
| 19:19.26 | a_monkey | is there a quicktimish browser plugin for firefox? |
| 19:19.44 | ArchitectSinan | siab21: it's a NIC friend not a harddrive |
| 19:19.47 | bob2 | mozilla-mplayer |
| 19:19.49 | bob2 | yes, it's crap |
| 19:19.57 | siab21 | ... |
| 19:20.10 | siab21 | i was going to recommend a hard drive enhancement command for vanilla woody |
| 19:20.19 | luulis | a_monkey: or mozplugger |
| 19:20.24 | siab21 | if you have reasonabley new ide hdd |
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| 19:23.51 | nSe | i have the url of a package that i want to install using apt, does apt-get install url do it? |
| 19:23.55 | valdyn_ | nSe: no |
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| 19:24.37 | siab21 | nse: you can do "wget url" and then "dpkg -i packagefilename.deb" |
| 19:26.04 | nSe | valdyn_, siab21: thank you |
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| 19:28.51 | semi_ | what mouse protocol in XF86config should i use for a logitech mx500? I'm using explorerps/2 now and it randomly jumps around occasionally (but is fine normally, aside from no mousewheel or thumb buttons working) |
| 19:28.56 | imahcine | oh yeah. |
| 19:29.08 | imahcine | Now it looks cool :] |
| 19:29.17 | Wyzard | semi_: I use ImPS/2 with my MX700 |
| 19:29.32 | valdyn_ | semi_: that depends on your kernel version too |
| 19:29.47 | valdyn_ | semi_: everything used w/ 2.6 should be ImPS/2 iirc |
| 19:29.56 | semi_ | i'll try that, thanks |
| 19:30.04 | Wyzard | valdyn_: No it doesn't... the device to use (/dev/psaux vs. /dev/input/mice) matters, but not the protocol |
| 19:30.19 | semi_ | so annoying to own yourself with a bad rocket jump like this |
| 19:30.25 | Wyzard | lol |
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| 19:30.45 | valdyn_ | Wyzard: im sure it does, not 100% sure if it was really ImPS/2 |
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| 19:30.55 | colde89 | how can i make a parition smaler without loose the data from the disk? |
| 19:31.15 | Wyzard | valdyn_: The mouse device just passes through exactly what the mouse said; that's independent of the kernel version |
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| 19:32.37 | valdyn_ | Wyzard: false |
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| 19:33.04 | valdyn_ | semi_: everything used w/ 2.6 should be _ExplorerPS/2_ ( sorry ) |
| 19:33.30 | valdyn_ | Wyzard: http://kerneltrap.org/node/2199/print |
| 19:33.36 | Wyzard | valdyn_: I use ImPS/2 on 2.6.11 with my MX700 and it works fine |
| 19:33.39 | takatumi_ | valdyn_: for any device? |
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| 19:33.59 | valdyn_ | takatumi_: they only talk about mice in this howto/faq |
| 19:34.29 | Wyzard | valdyn_: Interesting... I've never heard of that before, and I don't think it's mentioned in the kernel config's docs anywhere |
| 19:34.49 | Ferret | It isn't, but it's common sense. |
| 19:35.06 | Ferret | ExplorerPS/2 should work with all mice (except for some silly Logitech mice). |
| 19:35.21 | Ferret | So why not use it for all mice, simplifying documentation and upgrades? :) |
| 19:35.45 | FieldySnuts | i've seen cases where it didn't, which i couldn't figure out |
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| 19:36.21 | atrus | well eventually i think the plan is to just use evdev for everything |
| 19:36.24 | valdyn_ | semi_: read http://kerneltrap.org/node/2199/print btw, if you havent, and if youre using 2.6 |
| 19:36.45 | atrus | eventually auto-detection of models, quirks, buttons, wheels, everything. |
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| 19:37.27 | nano_ | <PROTECTED> |
| 19:37.37 | Wyzard | !tell nano_ about marillat |
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| 19:38.39 | valdyn_ | Wyzard: im using "ImPS/2" aswell as it seems, guess Explorer and that one are similar / identical |
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| 19:40.13 | pi_ | I just installed sarge.. and I dont have the mail command. |
| 19:40.15 | nano_ | I successfully installed it, but I can't find it in my computer |
| 19:40.18 | pi_ | what package is that a part of? |
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| 19:40.29 | valdyn_ | nano_: in a shell, type mplayer |
| 19:40.40 | scott | bob2: what do you mean gmailfs is a joke? I doubt it |
| 19:40.45 | pi_ | anyone? |
| 19:40.52 | streuner | pi_: /msg dpkg search |
| 19:41.06 | valdyn_ | scott: proof of concept that userspace filesystems work easy, probably |
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| 19:41.34 | scott | I have it, I don't think it's a joke |
| 19:41.37 | nano_ | ok |
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| 19:42.20 | pi_ | bah. |
| 19:42.20 | pi_ | how do i find it. |
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| 19:42.20 | valdyn_ | nano_: try "gmplayer" too, since youre obsessed w/ gui ) |
| 19:42.20 | semi_ | valdyn_: thanks, looking through that now |
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| 19:42.35 | scott | but it gives me fusermount: old style mounting not supported |
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| 19:43.17 | luulis | pi_: its part of mailx package |
| 19:44.00 | redduck666 | when i try to apply kernel patch it asks me what is file to patch. should i point it to vmlinuz? |
| 19:44.12 | valdyn_ | aww |
| 19:44.16 | Wyzard | redduck666: No, you have to patch the kernel source code and then recompile |
| 19:44.22 | takatumi_ | redduck666: /msg dpkg patch |
| 19:44.22 | Wyzard | redduck666: You can't patch a compiled kernel binary |
| 19:44.40 | redduck666 | i compiled the kernel by myself |
| 19:44.55 | redduck666 | kernel 2.6.11.6 |
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| 19:45.06 | redduck666 | and now i wopuld like to apply 2.6.12 patch |
| 19:45.27 | inu | if it's already compiled, it's kind of late |
| 19:45.52 | Wyzard | redduck666: Then apply the patch and recompile |
| 19:45.54 | valdyn_ | redduck666: .12 is released? |
| 19:46.05 | Wyzard | redduck666: There is no 2.6.12 yet btw... only 2.6.12-rc2, which is a release candidate |
| 19:46.10 | streuner | valdyn_: finger @kernel.org |
| 19:46.25 | valdyn_ | streuner: I knew the answer ) |
| 19:46.39 | valdyn_ | streuner: and they dont like finger |
| 19:46.42 | gnulu | uhumm, how do you verify that the agp is working |
| 19:46.46 | zorton | does svgalib use the fb? |
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| 19:46.49 | streuner | valdyn_: i like it |
| 19:47.06 | streuner | valdyn_: you could use dpkg as well ;-) |
| 19:47.12 | redduck666 | thanks for the help. i will probably try to recompile the kernel tomorow |
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| 19:47.40 | mud | zorton: im not sure but i added and removed framebuffer and saw no difference |
| 19:47.44 | Wyzard | zorton: svgalib has existed since before the kernel framebuffer existed, so it definitely doesn't require it |
| 19:47.49 | karim | hi |
| 19:47.52 | Wyzard | zorton: It might be able to use it if available; I dunno |
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| 19:47.54 | takatumi_ | streuner: dpkg probably fingers as well, remember reading against using finger for kernel.org |
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| 19:48.18 | zorton | Wyzard: I was thinking the framebuffer driver might be more up to date vs the svga driver for my paticular video card |
| 19:48.24 | streuner | takatumi_: the bot has that feature implementated ;-) |
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| 19:49.19 | mud | zorton: if ur vid card is that bad cant u use mesa? |
| 19:49.27 | streuner | takatumi_: if they don't want finger, they prolly wouldn't allow it? |
| 19:49.35 | zorton | mesa? |
| 19:50.04 | Wyzard | Mesa is for OpenGL... I don't think that has anything to do with svgalib |
| 19:50.18 | takatumi_ | streuner: August 21, 2003: Please don't use finger.kernel.org for any sort of automatic monitoring. The number of automatic bots hitting this port is causing the finger daemon to shut down more often than not. |
| 19:50.40 | zorton | I doubt i'll be trying opengl stuff |
| 19:50.43 | to_ | what this command do: 'make-kpkg --append-to-version "-flavour" --revision 2.x.y-z --config old configure' (especially the '--config old configure' option) ? |
| 19:50.53 | streuner | takatumi_: some people use scripts to check that lets say every 1 minute.... |
| 19:50.58 | zorton | i'm accually just trying to get this machine configed properly |
| 19:51.09 | streuner | takatumi_: prolly that's the reason |
| 19:51.16 | takatumi_ | streuner: guess so. |
| 19:51.17 | valdyn_ | to_: uses the old config and only asks where new options exist |
| 19:51.59 | pi_ | okay. |
| 19:52.23 | pi_ | so now that I've installed sarge (by recommendation of this channel), I am trying to install packages from the testing disto. |
| 19:52.28 | to_ | valdyn_: oh, so it doen't compile a new kernel..it only modify the .config? that's it? |
| 19:52.40 | pi_ | But there are many packages that I need that are not in the Testing package list. |
| 19:52.46 | pi_ | where can I get these packages? |
| 19:52.53 | pi_ | for example.. Pine is not in testing. |
| 19:53.05 | pi_ | can I safely install stable packages in sarge? |
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| 19:53.08 | streuner | !tell pi_ about pine |
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| 19:53.34 | pi_ | wait.. |
| 19:53.38 | pi_ | pine isnt free anyome? |
| 19:53.39 | pi_ | anymore? |
| 19:53.45 | pi_ | it was when I had woody installed. |
| 19:53.51 | streuner | read the factoid |
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| 19:53.57 | valdyn_ | to_: yea, didnt know that that command will work though, "kernel-image" is missing to compile a kernel |
| 19:53.58 | J_P | hi all |
| 19:54.13 | ncterval | <PROTECTED> |
| 19:54.24 | to_ | pi valdyn_ oki thx |
| 19:54.29 | pi_ | okay, back to my question, can I safely install stable packages in sarge? |
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| 19:54.49 | valdyn_ | ncterval: following your description and assuming that you use a debian kernel - nothing |
| 19:54.51 | takatumi_ | pi_: why do you want to do that? |
| 19:55.19 | pi_ | Well.. |
| 19:55.28 | ncterval | valdyn_, Really? Great, thank you |
| 19:55.28 | pi_ | Man, I can't believe pine isnt free anymore. |
| 19:55.35 | revenger_ | does anyone know a filesystem layer which is able to connect the content of 2 files (something like striping) |
| 19:55.38 | pi_ | how come I got it free on woody? |
| 19:56.04 | Wyzard | ncterval: After you upgrade, you might want to replace your kernel with one optimized for a P4, but the old one will work just fine |
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| 19:56.29 | valdyn_ | !pine |
| 19:56.29 | dpkg | pine: a non-free (read: evil!) POP3, IMAP, and USENET reader; modified binaries are illegal to distribute. Alternatives include elm, mutt, spruce, sylpheed, balsa, and many other FREE readers. binaries are not included in Debian because of licensing problems. To get pine debs: apt-get -b source pine (or pine4) or if you just want pico, ask about "nano", or there MAY be additional help in #pine |
| 19:56.31 | takatumi_ | Wyzard: why p4? |
| 19:56.41 | J_P | people, how i do for use cron for start one command all day of week, except in saturday and sunday ? |
| 19:56.45 | ncterval | Wyzard: Optimized for an Athlon XP, you mean. Thanks again |
| 19:57.05 | Wyzard | ncterval: Also, if you're relying on any hardware built into your old motherboard (such as the IDE controller, and possibly sound) then you'll need to switch to the driver for the one on the new board, but if you use a package like "discover", that'll be handled automatically |
| 19:57.12 | J_P | is possible? |
| 19:57.27 | Wyzard | ncterval: Sorry, I misread your statement and thought you said you were upgrading *to* a P4 |
| 19:57.32 | Wyzard | ncterval: You get the idea though |
| 19:57.58 | ncterval | Wyzard: Yah. It does have an IDE controller and onboard audio, I'll look into discover. |
| 19:58.06 | pi_ | Looks like university of washington still gives pine away free. |
| 19:58.37 | zorton | fastest xterminal? |
| 19:58.49 | streuner | pi_: there are some nice email-clients available, why not use them? |
| 19:58.51 | ncterval | Oh, I already have discover installed. It won't be a problem, then, excellent. |
| 19:59.07 | pi_ | I dunno. |
| 19:59.17 | pi_ | can someone just tell me what package mail comes in? |
| 19:59.28 | streuner | pi_: scroll up |
| 19:59.31 | pi_ | like.. the command 'mail' to send mail from the CLI |
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| 20:00.02 | starscalling | how do i connect to a windows workgroup? |
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| 20:00.13 | zorton | pi_: if you cant' find it in your scrollbuffer i've found grepping the Contents-$arch.gz file is helpful |
| 20:00.20 | starscalling | on my home network is 2 windows comps and i get the no permission error |
| 20:00.38 | streuner | <PROTECTED> |
| 20:00.40 | starscalling | pi_, udub for the win~! |
| 20:00.48 | pi_ | I dont have that file. |
| 20:00.52 | streuner | pi_: or just use /lastlog <foo> |
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| 20:01.31 | pi_ | thanks. |
| 20:01.39 | pi_ | whatever happened to textbox? |
| 20:02.20 | streuner | never heard, what's that? |
| 20:02.45 | J_P | anyone ? |
| 20:02.51 | pi_ | oh, just a simple epic4 script. |
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| 20:03.04 | pi_ | with non of that other bs that comes with most scripts these days. |
| 20:03.20 | streuner | pi_: epic4 should be part of sarge, apt-cache search epic4 would show you |
| 20:03.50 | Gandi | hello |
| 20:04.17 | streuner | pi_: i used epic4 by myself, but that wasn't part of debian, IIRC |
| 20:04.54 | starscalling | giving in and going to frys |
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| 20:05.26 | srollens | Hello |
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| 20:05.44 | leumaS | hello on you too. |
| 20:06.11 | Chrissy2k5 | hey can anyone tell me if this is right for when i do invoke-rc.d vsftpd stop |
| 20:06.12 | Chrissy2k5 | Stopping FTP server: vsftpdNo /usr/sbin/vsftpd found running; none killed. |
| 20:06.28 | srollens | i'm looking for help concerning my network connection |
| 20:06.43 | Sentia | thank you siab21 |
| 20:06.48 | Chrissy2k5 | and when i try to connect to my vsftpd server .. i am getting this |
| 20:06.52 | infinity_ | srollens: i say unplug it.heh |
| 20:06.54 | Chrissy2k5 | /usr/sbin/pure-ftpd-wrapper: Cannot exec /usr/sbin/pure-ftpd: no such file or directory at /usr/sbin/pure-ftpd-wrapper line 174. |
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| 20:07.12 | srollens | where can I see which program causes traffic? |
| 20:07.28 | infinity_ | srollens: you can't really. but netstat might help. or tcpdump |
| 20:07.32 | valdyn_ | srollens: apt-get install iftop |
| 20:08.17 | srollens | I'll try this. Thanks |
| 20:09.03 | zorton | is the native driver for Xfree86 typicaly better than the frame buffer driver? |
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| 20:09.56 | infinity_ | zorton: i think the frame buffer driver is generic. i'm not sure though. |
| 20:10.07 | zorton | infinity_: i'm not either |
| 20:10.15 | takatumi | zorton: which card? |
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| 20:10.49 | zorton | takatumi: trident cyberblade built in on Thinkpad R30 |
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| 20:12.46 | takatumi | zorton: wouldn't know. |
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| 20:12.59 | takatumi | try tuxmobil.org |
| 20:13.35 | srollens | Thanks valdyn, that solved my problem! |
| 20:14.01 | Seb | anyone know a command-line tool to burn mp3s from the command-line, that'd handle mulit-CDs: like, if I have more than can fit on one audio CD, it'll prompt me for inserting a second CD, etc... |
| 20:14.16 | zorton | takatumi: thanks for the ref, looks like a nice page |
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| 20:15.27 | a_monkey | what's an app i can use to edit mp3s? like edit the waveform, etc. |
| 20:15.38 | a_monkey | make loops more loopable |
| 20:15.46 | Seb | zorton: you can also check linux-laptop.net |
| 20:15.57 | Seb | a_monkey: maybe audacity ? |
| 20:16.02 | Seb | a_monkey: it's a pretty complete app |
| 20:16.08 | zorton | Seeb: k, i'll take a look |
| 20:16.12 | Seb | i use it for wav, i dunno if it handles mp3s directly |
| 20:16.49 | green_earz | Seb: cdrecord for a command line burner |
| 20:16.51 | Seb | a_monkey: think apt-cache search mp3 editor |
| 20:17.00 | streuner | !depends audacity |
| 20:17.02 | dpkg | audacity: depends on libc6 (>= 2.3.2.ds1-4), libgcc1 (>= 1:3.4.1-3), libid3tag0 (>= 0.15.0b), libmad0 (>= 0.15.1b), libogg0 (>= 1.1.0), libsndfile1 (>= 1.0.2-1), libstdc++5 (>= 1:3.3.4-1), libvorbis0a (>= 1.0.1), libvorbisenc2 (>= 1.0.1), libvorbisfile3 (>= 1.0.1), libwxgtk2.4 (>= 2.4.2.6) |
| 20:17.14 | Seb | green_earz: i meant "to burn audio CDs from mp3s" |
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| 20:18.59 | Sebischn | is there any .deb file that installs the nvidia grafik diver ? |
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| 20:19.22 | streuner | Sebischn: /msg dpkg nvidia |
| 20:19.23 | k3k0 | god damn it, i have in my laptop 40 gb hdd, 20 gb is debian linux 3.1 sarge, and 20 gb i just installed windows xp prof with sp2 etc.. all updates.. now i cant start xp anymore.. grub maybee lost or windows overwrite it.. can i fix it someway.. |
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| 20:19.35 | ArchitectSinan | !tell Sebischn about nvidia |
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| 20:19.43 | Sentia | what is the best graphics editor avail for free :) |
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| 20:19.56 | dna_ | Any idea on what is a good type of webserver to run? |
| 20:19.58 | ArchitectSinan | !tell Sebischn about nvidia installer |
| 20:19.58 | hoopy | is debain nforce2 friendly? |
| 20:20.04 | Seb | Sentia: gimp ? |
| 20:20.05 | Eclipser | Sentia, gimp? |
| 20:20.06 | citral | !ops yEsiL on-join spam |
| 20:20.07 | hoopy | s/debain/debian/ |
| 20:20.08 | dpkg | Hydroxide, bob2, caphuso, dondelelcaro, doogie, eeyore-, ElectricElf, greycat, helix, ljlane, LoRez, mentor, Netsnipe, TML, walters, xk: yEsiL on-join spam |
| 20:20.09 | streuner | !debain |
| 20:20.09 | dpkg | Debian! D-E-B-I-A-N! The first DPL was not named "Ain". Sheesh! |
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| 20:20.13 | Seb | heh, Seb 1, Eclipser 0 ;) |
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| 20:20.26 | Eclipser | Seb, pft |
| 20:20.29 | hoopy | !ops yEsiL on-join spam |
| 20:20.29 | dpkg | Hydroxide, bob2, caphuso, dondelelcaro, doogie, eeyore-, ElectricElf, greycat, helix, ljlane, LoRez, mentor, Netsnipe, TML, walters, xk: yEsiL on-join spam |
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| 20:20.36 | dna_ | !DPL? |
| 20:20.36 | dpkg | it has been said that dpl is the Debian Project Leader, currently Martin Michlmayr |
| 20:20.37 | Sebischn | thx guys |
| 20:20.37 | caphuso | hoopy: good job |
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| 20:20.44 | ArchitectSinan | caphuso: thanks |
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| 20:20.48 | Sentia | I'll try gimp, thank you |
| 20:20.49 | hoopy | hey man i tried |
| 20:21.20 | k3k0 | god damn it, i have in my laptop 40 gb hdd, 20 gb is debian linux 3.1 sarge, and 20 gb i just installed windows xp prof with sp2 etc.. all updates.. now i cant start xp anymore.. grub maybee lost or windows overwrite it.. can i fix it someway.. |
| 20:21.28 | hoopy | i have a pc with an nforce2 motherboard, would debian work "out of the box" with it's network adapter? |
| 20:21.41 | takatumi | k3k0: good riddance. |
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| 20:21.46 | drac | hoopy: yes, driver is called forcedeth. |
| 20:21.55 | Seb | k3k0: rescue boot withthe debian CD, and reinstall grub, taking good care of putting in an entry for your windows |
| 20:21.56 | Peaker | how do I add another alias ip address to an interface? |
| 20:22.11 | Seb | Peaker: /etc/newtork/interfaces ? |
| 20:22.14 | ArchitectSinan | caphuso: As we seen, you're right. they're (spambot runners) a lot in our network :( |
| 20:22.21 | hoopy | drac: without requiring me to have a network connection to get forcedeth? |
| 20:22.23 | Peaker | Seb: from the commandline, something only temporary? |
| 20:22.35 | Seb | Peaker: man ifconfig |
| 20:22.46 | drac | hoopy: not sure about woody, but with sarge 2.4.27 and 2.6.8 it'll work out-of-box. |
| 20:22.47 | k3k0 | is there any chance to add somethink in boot.ini ? |
| 20:22.50 | Peaker | Seb: I did man ifconfig - it seems the only way is to override the current address |
| 20:22.53 | Seb | k3k0: no |
| 20:23.00 | Seb | Peaker: ifconfig eth0:3 ... |
| 20:23.02 | k3k0 | Seb: aww :/ |
| 20:23.07 | Seb | s/3/whatever you need/ |
| 20:23.15 | Seb | k3k0: I gave you a solution, now go do it |
| 20:23.26 | Peaker | Seb: ok thanks |
| 20:23.31 | Seb | Peaker: np |
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| 20:24.21 | Seb | so, any ttol to burn audio CDs from mp3s, that'd deal nicely with several CDs ? |
| 20:24.23 | Seb | tool |
| 20:24.40 | citral | maybe "burn". |
| 20:24.43 | Seb | i'd hate to have to code it and re-invent the wheel |
| 20:24.54 | fubar | for mp3 in *.mp3; do mpg123 --cdr - "$mp3" | cdrecord dev=/dev/hdd -driveropts=b |
| 20:24.58 | hoopy | is 3.0 r4 sarge? |
| 20:25.02 | fubar | urnfree -tao -audio -pad -nofix -; done; cdrecord dev=/dev/hdd -driveropts=burnf |
| 20:25.02 | fubar | ree -fix |
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| 20:25.07 | hoopy | is sarge "stable" or "testing" |
| 20:25.11 | citral | testing |
| 20:25.15 | Seb | citral: I looked at the man, I don't think it handles several CDs. It just gives a warning that you're over one-CD capacity iiuc |
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| 20:25.37 | warhead | Hello to ALL |
| 20:25.51 | Virtual | hoopy: 3.1 is sarge and is testing |
| 20:25.52 | Seb | fubar: I'm sure you noticed how what I really ask is how to deal nicely with **several** CDs. Like, I have too many mp3s for it to fit on *one* CD |
| 20:26.04 | hoopy | nice |
| 20:26.13 | hoopy | this torrent is cookin it |
| 20:26.19 | hoopy | quicklike |
| 20:26.23 | Seb | hoopy: sarge will become stable pretty soon |
| 20:26.26 | fubar | Ah. |
| 20:26.31 | Seb | the debian definition of "soon" ;) |
| 20:26.36 | hoopy | hehe |
| 20:26.36 | Seb | fubar: :) |
| 20:27.00 | Seb | fubar: I can code for it, adding the mp3 lengths as I go, but I'm pretty sure this has been done before... |
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| 20:27.15 | hoopy | debian is pretty easy to install right? be easy to install i mean easy as slackware |
| 20:27.30 | fubar | I use NeroLinux, heh |
| 20:27.32 | fubar | evil. |
| 20:27.37 | Seb | hoopy: the sarge installer is fairly straightforward, yes |
| 20:27.39 | dna_ | Nerolinux |
| 20:27.40 | takatumi | hoopy: heard its much easier than slackware. |
| 20:27.43 | citral | Seb: I don't think so. You could write a perl script quickly for it. |
| 20:27.45 | dna_ | !nerolinux |
| 20:27.52 | thingfish | hoopy: using debian-installer, it really doesn't get much easier. |
| 20:28.01 | Seb | citral: yeah, I'm gonna do that. s/perl/python/ though ;) |
| 20:28.07 | citral | alright |
| 20:28.18 | warhead | damn, sarge is still tesitng........ I hear for "soon" realise final version of Sarge 3.1 when become stable...yes "soon"...hahaha |
| 20:28.19 | Seb | citral: hrm, is mp3burn a perl app ? |
| 20:28.24 | citral | yep |
| 20:28.32 | Seb | citral: if so, I might as well write a patch for mp3burn an dsend it upstream |
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| 20:28.39 | Seb | k i'll do that then |
| 20:28.49 | citral | Seb: uh, no, it's python |
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| 20:28.53 | mud | Seb: u tried k3b? |
| 20:28.55 | Seb | citral: sweeeeet |
| 20:29.01 | Seb | citral: that'll be even easier ;) |
| 20:29.13 | Seb | mud: heh, evil k* apps ;) Nah I need something command-line... |
| 20:29.27 | caphuso | !depends mp3burn |
| 20:29.32 | dpkg | mp3burn: depends on perl, mpg321 (>= 0.1.5.2) | mpg123, cdrecord, libmp3-info-perl, vorbis-tools (>= 1.0), file, libstring-shellquote-perl, libogg-vorbis-header-perl |
| 20:29.37 | Seb | argh, prl :> |
| 20:29.40 | Seb | perl |
| 20:29.45 | citral | !depends burn |
| 20:29.47 | dpkg | burn: depends on python (>= 2.3), cdrecord (>= 4:2.01+01a01-2), mkisofs (>= 4:2.01+01a01-2), cdrdao, python-pyvorbis, python-eyed3, python-pyao, python-pymad, mpg321 (>= 0.2.10.3) |
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| 20:29.54 | Seb | k, then burn it is |
| 20:29.55 | citral | I mean this one |
| 20:29.59 | Seb | awright |
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| 20:33.47 | Seb | citral: heh |
| 20:34.56 | r3Fl3X | does dpkg check dependencies for woody, sarge or sid? |
| 20:35.01 | caphuso | r3Fl3X: yes |
| 20:35.03 | r3Fl3X | dpkg, as in the bot |
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| 20:35.12 | Seb | r3Fl3X: apt-get fetches deps automatically, but yeah dpkg does *check* |
| 20:35.15 | DiegoElias | when i have md, vg and lv devices, whats is the order in the name...? /dev/mdname/number?/vgname/lvname? |
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| 20:35.29 | r3Fl3X | I was refering to the bot in this channel ;) |
| 20:35.41 | caphuso | r3Fl3X: defaults to unstable, so you need to explicitely specify if you want something else than sid |
| 20:35.48 | r3Fl3X | ok thank yuo |
| 20:35.50 | Seb | r3Fl3X: hah k my bad |
| 20:35.55 | r3Fl3X | np :) |
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| 20:36.06 | caphuso | as in "/msg dpkg depends mutt stable", for example |
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| 20:36.24 | jcurry | dpkg -i packagename |
| 20:36.29 | jcurry | :) |
| 20:36.39 | jcurry | dpkg -r packagename |
| 20:37.03 | thingfish | good as new! |
| 20:37.29 | takatumi | eveb better, some of the goo is gone. |
| 20:39.07 | DiegoElias | ? |
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| 20:42.26 | Yowe | debian-freebsd works nice ? |
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| 20:42.58 | remote | dpkg, find woody CBC.pm |
| 20:43.07 | dpkg | Debian Package/File/Desc Search of 'woody CBC.pm' returned no results. |
| 20:43.19 | remote | dpkg, find CBC.om woody |
| 20:43.25 | dpkg | Debian Package/File/Desc Search of 'CBC.om' returned no results. |
| 20:43.27 | remote | dpkg, find CBC.pm woody |
| 20:43.33 | dpkg | Debian Package/File/Desc Search of 'CBC.pm' returned no results. |
| 20:43.43 | Chrissy2k5 | hey can anyone tell me if this is right for when i do invoke-rc.d vsftpd stop |
| 20:43.46 | Chrissy2k5 | Stopping FTP server: vsftpdNo /usr/sbin/vsftpd found running; none killed. |
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| 20:43.51 | Chrissy2k5 | and when i try to connect to my vsftpd server .. i am getting this |
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| 20:43.58 | Chrissy2k5 | /usr/sbin/pure-ftpd-wrapper: Cannot exec /usr/sbin/pure-ftpd: no such file or directory at /usr/sbin/pure-ftpd-wrapper line 174. |
| 20:44.43 | drac | Chrissy2k5: What's on line 174? |
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| 20:46.06 | Seb | drac: an invocation to /usr/sbin/pure-ftpd, man |
| 20:46.12 | Seb | s/to/of/ |
| 20:46.23 | Seb | dpkg, find /usr/sbin/pure-ftpd |
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| 20:46.27 | valdyn_ | Chrissy2k5: how can you mixx vsftpd with pure-ftpd? |
| 20:46.32 | dpkg | Debian Package/File/Desc Search of '/usr/sbin/pure-ftpd' returned no results. |
| 20:46.42 | Seb | dpkg, find pure-ftpd |
| 20:46.43 | dpkg | Debian Package Listing of 'pure-ftpd' (5): pure-ftpd ;; pure-ftpd-common ;; pure-ftpd-ldap ;; pure-ftpd-mysql ;; pure-ftpd-postgresql. |
| 20:47.03 | Seb | Chrissy2k5: apt-get install pure-ftpd ? |
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| 20:48.19 | netbrain | how come i get Failed to create initrd image. |
| 20:48.21 | netbrain | ? |
| 20:48.30 | netbrain | im installing a new kernel. |
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| 20:49.48 | StefaN^ | are there any chances of anaconda installer making its way into sarge? |
| 20:50.31 | valdyn_ | StefaN^: zero |
| 20:50.35 | CLI | Esti roman StefN_? |
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| 20:50.40 | StefaN^ | ok |
| 20:50.57 | smacnay | Has anyone had problems scanning (sane) across a network environemt and had the serving computer drop packets? Seems a connection is made from client to server (saned) but as soon as a scan begins, my firewall (shorewall) starts dropping packets. |
| 20:51.11 | smacnay | Would that have to do with the default burst settings? |
| 20:51.50 | k3k0 | when sarge will be stable ? |
| 20:52.04 | valdyn_ | !wir |
| 20:52.04 | dpkg | somebody said wir was When It's Ready. See also RSN and SIYH |
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| 20:52.24 | alien320 | hiii ...any one expert in debian installation??? |
| 20:52.51 | streuner | alien320: we just install debian, no need to be an expert ;-) |
| 20:53.23 | hcy | anybody know about using ddclient? the dyndns site cancelled my thing because they claimed my ddclient program was updating unnecessarily, even when the IP address hadn't changed. do you know how to fix ddclient so that it only sends a refresh if it's changed? |
| 20:53.36 | alien320 | okkk thats great |
| 20:53.37 | alien320 | i m facing probs in installing debian |
| 20:53.46 | k3k0 | alien320: what kind ? |
| 20:53.50 | k3k0 | alien320: what kind ? |
| 20:53.51 | valdyn_ | hcy: what mechanisma are you using to update dyndns.org? |
| 20:53.59 | k3k0 | alien320: re u amateur :D |
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| 20:54.16 | hcy | valdyn_: ddclient |
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| 20:54.23 | alien320 | if i copy all debian into some windows drive |
| 20:54.23 | alien320 | can i install debain from these cds |
| 20:54.23 | alien320 | i also have fisrt bootable cd |
| 20:54.31 | valdyn_ | hcy: yes, i know, but what mechanism are you using to run this tool |
| 20:54.37 | valdyn_ | hcy: cron? |
| 20:54.55 | hcy | valdyn_: not sure, it's run automatically when i boot up... |
| 20:55.04 | hcy | valdyn_: how can i tell? |
| 20:55.14 | alien320 | any ideas |
| 20:55.17 | valdyn_ | hcy: it logs to /var/log/messages |
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| 20:55.31 | valdyn_ | hcy: ok - how are you connecting to the net? via ppp? |
| 20:55.32 | k3k0 | alien320: install first windows then debian.. and it works |
| 20:55.40 | ignatz | where do you set 64bit options in the kernel compile, i can find it in the .config but not in make menuconfig |
| 20:55.44 | ignatz | does anyone know the tree of it ? |
| 20:55.45 | alien320 | noo u not getting me |
| 20:55.57 | alien320 | i have windows installed on my machine |
| 20:56.09 | alien320 | then i have copied all 7 cds on windows partition |
| 20:56.13 | valdyn_ | hcy: or is a seperate router doing that for you? |
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| 20:56.49 | tony | anyone using cyrus21-imapd? |
| 20:57.02 | hcy | pppoe i believe |
| 20:57.02 | valdyn_ | !anyone use |
| 20:57.02 | dpkg | No, no one uses it, not even the people who use it. |
| 20:57.05 | alien320 | ?? |
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| 20:57.21 | tony | dpkg, dpkg is a stupid robot |
| 20:57.21 | dpkg | ...but dpkg is already something else... |
| 20:57.25 | valdyn_ | hcy: who is doing the "dialing" ? the same computer that uses ddclient? |
| 20:57.32 | tony | dpkg, do as i tell you or i'll sick doogie on you |
| 20:57.35 | hcy | valdyn_: yes |
| 20:57.37 | tony | LOL! |
| 20:57.46 | alien320 | guys an ideas |
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| 20:58.07 | valdyn_ | hcy: ok, now, does each new dialin process ( i know its not literally dialing with pppoe ), give you a new IP adress? |
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| 20:58.35 | christor | Hello I would like to see the diff between a packege installed and a the new version available , is it possible? |
| 20:58.41 | thingfish | alien320: get the rc3 debian-installer image, burn it to CD using your favorite burning app, then boot to the CD. |
| 20:58.52 | ignatz | christor read the changelog |
| 20:59.07 | alien320 | yeah i already had first bootable cd |
| 20:59.16 | alien320 | i had already installed base installation |
| 20:59.38 | thingfish | never mind |
| 20:59.44 | valdyn_ | hcy: dunno? not sure? or what? |
| 20:59.47 | alien320 | now i want to fun apt |
| 20:59.47 | alien320 | through filesystem |
| 21:00.13 | christor | ignatz: where is the changelog? |
| 21:00.22 | alien320 | i have also changed /etc/apt/sources.lst file many times |
| 21:00.22 | alien320 | but it wasnt working |
| 21:00.32 | ignatz | christor mostly on the website of the software you are looking at |
| 21:00.36 | mud | what u talkin bout willis? |
| 21:00.41 | ignatz | else try http://packages.debian.org |
| 21:01.18 | christor | ignatz: yes I am on the website the prob is that the version on debian are not the same :S 3.0.12_5 and now 3.0.12_7 |
| 21:01.32 | ignatz | what package is it then |
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| 21:02.15 | christor | request tracker |
| 21:02.25 | ignatz | they should have a changelog somewhere |
| 21:02.37 | ignatz | and also the debian package should have one |
| 21:02.42 | ignatz | else only get the source package |
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| 21:03.13 | alien320 | any ideas????????????? |
| 21:03.29 | ignatz | alien if you want to use the cds |
| 21:03.33 | ignatz | copy them over to the windows box |
| 21:03.36 | ignatz | mount them |
| 21:03.40 | Virtual | is KVirc free? |
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| 21:03.42 | ignatz | and insert them into sources |
| 21:04.07 | keenan | what's a good window manager for use with only one mouse button? |
| 21:04.21 | alien320 | where to insert into sources |
| 21:04.24 | Anders1 | twm |
| 21:04.29 | ignatz | sources.list |
| 21:04.31 | alien320 | can u give me n examlple |
| 21:04.31 | Virtual | keenan: KDE I guess :) |
| 21:04.34 | ignatz | into the file |
| 21:04.38 | alien320 | suppose i ahev cds copied in |
| 21:04.49 | streuner | keenan: why would someone use onyl 1 mouse-button? |
| 21:04.51 | keenan | I finished installing debian on a powerbook 3400 |
| 21:05.14 | ignatz | alien320 use the apt-cdrom tool |
| 21:05.17 | alien320 | location "/mnt/win_d/debian/cd1.." |
| 21:05.33 | valdyn_ | keenan: apt-cache show mouseemu |
| 21:05.51 | netbrain | what are common reasons for kernel panic (cant mount root device) when using kernel 2.6.8? |
| 21:05.55 | ignatz | alien you have to mount the cdrom as a cdrom drive |
| 21:06.02 | ignatz | not just the filepath |
| 21:06.03 | keenan | mouseemu? |
| 21:06.04 | hcy | valdyn_: sorry... too many people talking to me at the same time :) I'm really not sure if the IP address changes at each dialin or what. I just know that it changes once in a while. |
| 21:06.12 | streuner | netbrain: custom kernel? |
| 21:06.14 | alien320 | i cannt use apt-cdom cuz some packages are not readable from cd |
| 21:06.25 | J_P | people, how i set in crontab for run command only in saturday and sunday ? |
| 21:06.27 | ignatz | alien320 then create iso images of each cd |
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| 21:06.29 | ignatz | and mount those |
| 21:06.36 | caphuso | J_P: man 5 crontab |
| 21:06.40 | alien320 | so i downloaded missing packages from net and copied |
| 21:06.57 | ignatz | otherwise |
| 21:07.04 | valdyn_ | hcy: ok, try: "dpkg-reconfigure ddclient", say _yes_ to the question asking if it should be run on each connect, say *NO* to the question where it asks if it should be run as daemon at boot |
| 21:07.08 | alien320 | i created one...but it wasnt bootable.............. |
| 21:07.16 | ignatz | alien320 : www.debian.org/doc/manuals/apt-howto/ch-basico.en.html |
| 21:07.24 | ignatz | try point 2.2 |
| 21:07.29 | valdyn_ | hcy: i suspect you said yes to both when installing, which may be ugly |
| 21:07.40 | hcy | valdyn_: ok hold on... |
| 21:07.49 | J_P | caphuso: ok |
| 21:07.56 | netbrain | streuner: yes |
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| 21:08.15 | streuner | netbrain: grep INITRD your_kernel_config |
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| 21:08.33 | keenan | well I guess I'll just try out all the window managers and see which works best |
| 21:08.40 | keenan | again, excellent job d-i team! |
| 21:08.49 | hcy | valdyn_: if it automatically highlights the current selection, it was "yes" "no" |
| 21:09.00 | alien320 | hmm it measn i cannot run apt with all cds copied on hardrive |
| 21:09.04 | netbrain | streuner: what will that give me? |
| 21:09.29 | streuner | netbrain: if you don't know why in hell you want compile kernels for youself? |
| 21:09.44 | valdyn_ | hcy: yea it does. |
| 21:09.48 | marccd | How would I set a cron task to run every 4 days at 6.30AM ? 30 06 */4 * * /usr/bin/task ? |
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| 21:10.22 | pa | hello! |
| 21:10.23 | pa | do you know if there is something for fat filesystem like libcdio for iso9660 (a library to manage the filesystem)? |
| 21:10.26 | valdyn_ | hcy: maybe they give you a basically static IP and you should just run it once on boot then |
| 21:10.30 | tony | what does 'sasl mech list empty' mean when i try to log into 'websieve'? |
| 21:10.34 | streuner | netbrain: answer questions with question is not a good thing |
| 21:10.49 | netbrain | streuner: CONFIG_BLK_DEV_INITRD=y |
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| 21:11.06 | streuner | netbrain: ok, did you build an initrd.img for your kernel? |
| 21:11.10 | netbrain | yes |
| 21:11.22 | streuner | netbrain: tell the bootloader to use it then |
| 21:11.26 | valdyn_ | hcy: but if it goes randomly, you will have to modify the script yourself in /etc/ppp/ip-up.d/ ( or google for one ), to check for the current and old IP |
| 21:11.28 | netbrain | have done that too |
| 21:11.30 | hcy | valdyn_: my guess is not, since I keep my computer online for very long periods of time and i've had problems before of the IP changing without notice |
| 21:11.49 | streuner | netbrain: /j #flood |
| 21:12.16 | netbrain | yeah |
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| 21:12.49 | hcy | valdyn_: would that be hard to do? |
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| 21:13.59 | hcy | valdyn_: that would be the script called /etc/ppp/ip-up.d/ddclient ? |
| 21:14.00 | valdyn_ | hcy: quite easy if you know to write shell scripts |
| 21:14.12 | valdyn_ | hcy: yea |
| 21:14.45 | hcy | i'm looking at the script, how can I do it, to save current and then compare? |
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| 21:15.43 | ignatz | does anyone know where to set 64bit flags during kernel compile ? |
| 21:15.53 | ignatz | the em64t kernel headers has it in config |
| 21:15.54 | hcy | valdyn_: can I do something like "export myppp=$PPP_LOCAL", and then do an if? |
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| 21:15.56 | ignatz | but i cant it anywhere |
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| 21:16.30 | valdyn_ | hcy: #bash, i cant help you with it, sorry |
| 21:16.44 | hcy | valdyn_: ok thanks |
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| 21:19.03 | joe666 | hi, how do I force apt to use experimental instead of unstable ?, trying to do this for gnome 2.10 particullary |
| 21:19.37 | streuner | joe666: how long do you use sid? |
| 21:20.03 | joe666 | streuner, 2 or 3 years |
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| 21:20.16 | streuner | joe666: /msg dpkg experimental |
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| 21:20.31 | joe666 | streuner, actually I used -t experimental, but seems not to work now for this gnome 2.10 |
| 21:20.37 | joe666 | streuner, thanks |
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| 21:21.46 | Anders1 | joe666: if you find an answer, please tell me |
| 21:21.55 | Anders1 | :) |
| 21:22.47 | joe666 | Anders1, I will, actually I'm reading on gimpnet that the upload of this experimental packages is happening right now, let me ask there |
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| 21:26.22 | joe666 | Anders1, the packagers said: wait a few days, not everything is ready right now. |
| 21:27.05 | valdyn_ | joe666: instrucions on how to install gnome 2.10 are on alioth |
| 21:27.07 | Anders1 | sure, but i'd still like to know how to do it ;o |
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| 21:27.36 | joe666 | valdyn_, I saw those, but seems not to get it work, I'll read those again |
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| 21:27.50 | dragonkh | hello what do I need to apt-get to make meuconfig ? |
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| 21:28.00 | valdyn_ | joe666: it needed more than just experimental packages |
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| 21:28.05 | dvs | dragonkh: source code |
| 21:28.18 | dragonkh | dvs - no I have that - I cant turn that command |
| 21:28.19 | dvs | dragonkh: apt-cache search kernel-source |
| 21:28.19 | valdyn_ | joe666: but that may have changed nwo that gnome 2.10 is uploaded to sid ( at least partially ) |
| 21:28.35 | streuner | joe666: http://packages.debian.org/experimental/libs/libgnome2-0 |
| 21:28.43 | dvs | dragonkh: oh... sorry |
| 21:28.46 | dragonkh | dvs - make menuconfig throws errors - I think I need to apt-get some tools ? |
| 21:28.50 | dvs | drac: libcurses5-dev |
| 21:29.20 | dragonkh | is there an essential kernel tools or something ? |
| 21:29.28 | dragonkh | or some tools used to build kernels? |
| 21:29.37 | streuner | !b-e dragonkh |
| 21:29.37 | dpkg | dragonkh: Sounds like you need to install build-essential. |
| 21:29.48 | dragonkh | aha thanks :) |
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| 21:30.15 | minto | so im here at my university's installfest and im having trouble getting dhcp to work |
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| 21:30.35 | minto | the nic and cable seem to be fine since dhcp works with a gentoo livecd |
| 21:31.00 | rinkle | hi, i just installed ubuntu... can i get som help on this channel? |
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| 21:31.13 | dvs | ha! |
| 21:31.18 | streuner | !unbuntusmite rinkle |
| 21:31.19 | pngwn | rinkle, try #ubuntu |
| 21:31.30 | dvs | that's a smite? Bah! |
| 21:31.33 | minto | as far as nameservers, gateway, etc... i have all those written down from the sysadmin |
| 21:31.52 | rinkle | ohh ok, blää sorry for being a newb.. |
| 21:31.57 | semi_ | minto: i had a problem like that.. the device showed up fine in ifconfig, but dhcp wouldnt work. as it turns out there was two versions of dhclient, one for 2.2 and one for everything newer |
| 21:31.58 | streuner | !ubuntusmite rinkle |
| 21:32.10 | dvs | that's better ;-) |
| 21:32.14 | semi_ | try dhclient(tab) and see if you get two version numbers for different binaries and run the other one |
| 21:32.20 | streuner | dvs: hehe |
| 21:32.24 | hcy | valdyn_: ok i fixed that file, you're sure that's the script being used to do the update right? |
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| 21:32.34 | minto | semi_ - im using the sarge netinstall cd, if that helps at all |
| 21:32.45 | dragonkh | minto - do ifconfig -a - see if there is just eth0 or more ethx things |
| 21:32.53 | minto | ill try that |
| 21:32.57 | minto | k |
| 21:33.11 | valdyn_ | hcy: yea |
| 21:33.24 | valdyn_ | hcy: /etc/ppp/ip-up.d/ddclient |
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| 21:33.32 | dragonkh | minto - then go to /etc/network/interfaces and see what you have in that file |
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| 21:33.50 | hcy | valdyn_: ok i fixed it |
| 21:33.51 | johny | hallo zusammen |
| 21:33.52 | dragonkh | minto - then tell me ! and I might be able to help :) |
| 21:34.06 | holorad | hallo |
| 21:34.15 | cow | !seen wiggy |
| 21:34.16 | dpkg | cow: i haven't seen 'wiggy' |
| 21:34.33 | johny | °ŧholoradŦ°: , kannst Du mir bitte helfen ? |
| 21:34.41 | valdyn_ | hcy: cool, hope well tested, or you get another ban by dyndns.org ) |
| 21:34.50 | streuner | johny: #debian.de |
| 21:35.10 | dragonkh | oder Du kannst auf English sprechen ? |
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| 21:35.22 | holorad | johny sprich english hier ;-) |
| 21:35.33 | cow | i implemented transparency support for dselect, whom should i send a patch? Should i just file a feature-request with the patch against dpkg? |
| 21:35.49 | johny | ok i try to speak english |
| 21:35.50 | streuner | johny: you need to be identfied in order to join the channel (debian.de) /msg chanserv help |
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| 21:36.06 | hcy | valdyn_: I was getting this in my syslog: Apr 9 22:48:31 Spec ddclient[2156]: SUCCESS: updating spec.homedns.org: nochg: No update required; unnecessary attempts to change to the current address are considered abusive |
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| 21:36.32 | minto | weird |
| 21:36.47 | Todd_ | Hi, is there anything i can do to get the sarge installer to recognize my 3com network card. I've tried every driver in the list that comes up but none work |
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| 21:36.58 | minto | ifconfig is showing an address |
| 21:37.03 | valdyn_ | hcy: yea, i know ( though not literally ), had the same on a router once |
| 21:37.03 | netbrain | i got a celeron processor. what should i choose in the kernel config on the cpu choice? 386 or p4/celeron? |
| 21:37.14 | dvs | Todd_: What card is it? |
| 21:37.16 | sigma957 | Todd_:what is your nic model? |
| 21:37.16 | hcy | valdyn_: so this edit to this script will prevent that? thanks |
| 21:37.20 | ignatz | you just answered your question netbrain |
| 21:37.21 | johny | does anyone know where i can get a DVD Version (ISO) File to download ? |
| 21:37.28 | streuner | Todd_: is the NIC supported in linux at all? |
| 21:37.32 | dvs | Todd_: lspci | grep Eth |
| 21:37.32 | valdyn_ | hcy: if you did it properly, sure ) |
| 21:37.37 | cow | netbrain, i'd select p4/celeron |
| 21:37.42 | hcy | well i think i did :) |
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| 21:37.56 | luulis | cow: or you could send it to a developer of dselect directly |
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| 21:38.08 | Todd_ | I've tried lspci, and its not there, i was told before that it was supported and to choose one of them but none work, hold on and i'll get the # |
| 21:38.09 | holorad | johny: with jigdo |
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| 21:38.24 | FieldySnuts | if lspci doesn't show it, then the system can't see it and it's unsupported |
| 21:38.41 | dvs | unless it's a PC Card. |
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| 21:38.58 | johny | works jigdo also on a Windows PC ? |
| 21:39.04 | FieldySnuts | engrish? |
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| 21:39.04 | ruied | have any one tried festival Speech Synthesizer For Alternative and ... |
| 21:39.05 | ruied | DIXI+ A Portuguese Text-to-Speech Synthesizer For Alternative and Augmentative |
| 21:39.12 | ruied | sorry... |
| 21:39.28 | streuner | johny: why not just get d-i and install debian via network? |
| 21:39.59 | ruied | have any one tried festival Speech Synthesizer? I can't find the Festival homepage... |
| 21:40.01 | johny | thank you |
| 21:40.13 | Todd_ | FieldySnuts: its a fairly old, about 5 years |
| 21:40.19 | cow | luulis, the main-developer is wiggy (Wichert Akkerman). ok, so i'll just mail him directly. |
| 21:40.23 | netbrain | cow: thanks |
| 21:40.32 | holorad | ruied: I use festival in addition to kismet |
| 21:41.02 | japro | where can i get a via kernel module?i can select via drivers with xf86cfg but when i start the x server it says cannot find module via |
| 21:41.21 | hcy | ok toodles everyone |
| 21:41.27 | dvs | japro: A VIA what? sound? NIC? chipset? |
| 21:41.38 | Wyzard | japro: That's not a kernel module you need, it's an XFree86 driver module |
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| 21:41.53 | cow | japro, yre you talking about agpgart? i.e. via_agp? |
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| 21:42.05 | ruied | holorad, do you know where is the festival homepage? |
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| 21:42.29 | ruied | I can't find it... |
| 21:42.40 | Wyzard | cow: I think he's talking about /usr/X11R6/lib/modules/drivers/*_drv.o |
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| 21:43.05 | japro | well via_drv.o is there |
| 21:43.29 | yhg | How can I run an app from a menu (synaptic in XFCE specifically) as root? I know in gnome this is possible with a little prompt for the password but I don't know if that's a gnome menu thing or a separate program or what. |
| 21:43.31 | tony | what is the default imap server for debian? |
| 21:43.37 | tony | dpkg, imap? |
| 21:43.38 | dpkg | somebody said imap was (rfc2060) a protocol allowing a client to access and manipulate electronic mail messages on a server. It permits manipulation of remote message folders (mailboxes), in a way that is functionally equivalent to local mailboxes. IMAP includes operations for creating, deleting, and renaming mailboxes; checking for new messages; permanently removing messages; searching; and selective fetching of message attributes, texts, ... |
| 21:43.52 | Wyzard | yhg: That's gnome-su, I believe |
| 21:43.54 | tony | foo |
| 21:43.58 | holorad | ruied: no, not really ... but googled and found search.cpan.org/~rcaley/ |
| 21:44.01 | tony | dpkg, cyrus-imapd |
| 21:44.10 | Rawplayer | courier |
| 21:44.11 | Rawplayer | ! |
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| 21:44.22 | tony | hmm, but i need 'virtual hosts' |
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| 21:44.29 | ignatz | you can do that with courier |
| 21:44.35 | tony | ignatz , oh yeah? |
| 21:44.37 | Chass | anyone else having problems getting callgrind working under testing? |
| 21:44.38 | ignatz | otherwise check out dovecot |
| 21:44.41 | tony | hmm.. |
| 21:44.46 | ignatz | or courier |
| 21:44.57 | tony | i like cyrus |
| 21:45.04 | yhg | Wyzard: Ah, thanks. Actually it seems to be gnome-sudo, which points to gksu |
| 21:45.31 | tony | i've got it working, just have to find out how to point exim at it |
| 21:46.01 | ignatz | exim has to deliver into your mailboxes |
| 21:46.02 | holorad | ruied: the main page seems to be down |
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| 21:46.11 | ignatz | wether you are using single files |
| 21:46.13 | ignatz | or Maildir |
| 21:46.18 | ignatz | depends on your setup |
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| 21:46.27 | websdale | I have a problem-when I try to login on my usual username gnome-session crashes, the error says Glib is trying to allocate a huge amount of memory |
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| 21:46.41 | ignatz | and the virtual hosting also depends on your overal setup |
| 21:46.43 | tony | ignats, yes... i have to create these mailboxes inside cyrus, but i can't figure out the passwd for the 'cyrus' admin user to log-in |
| 21:47.03 | misfitx7 | could linux be booted off of a compact flash card in a pcmcia adapter? |
| 21:47.03 | tony | seems that debian sets it to something as default |
| 21:47.07 | ignatz | try cyrus |
| 21:47.07 | japro | "FATAL: Module via not found." is the error i get and i get the same when i try modprobe via... |
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| 21:47.09 | Wyzard | websdale: Does it happen to other users on your system? |
| 21:47.10 | ignatz | :) |
| 21:47.12 | ignatz | cyrus / cyrus |
| 21:47.21 | tony | misfitx7 , yes |
| 21:47.26 | ignatz | but creating mailboxes by hand is a bit sucky |
| 21:47.27 | websdale | my other logins are fine - only the one I normally use is affected |
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| 21:47.34 | tony | ignatz , i have, but it's no go :( |
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| 21:48.08 | tony | ignatz, once i'm able to login to the cyrus server there's several web-based admin tools |
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| 21:48.37 | Wyzard | japro: XFree86 doesn't load kernel modules... unless you're using something like nvidia where the XFree86 driver (nvidia_drv.o) depends on a kernel module, kernel modules have nothing to do with anything... and I don't think via_drv.o depends on a kernel module |
| 21:48.45 | tony | well, time for a reboot |
| 21:48.46 | tony | thanks |
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| 21:49.08 | websdale | Wyzard: surely there must be a file I can edit/delete which will stop this problem |
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| 21:49.27 | Chass | anyone else having problems getting callgrind working under testing? |
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| 21:49.54 | Wyzard | websdale: Probably, and it's most likely something in your ~/.gnome2 |
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| 21:50.18 | websdale | Wyzard: yes I thought that |
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| 21:50.28 | Wyzard | websdale: But first, create a new temporary user account and see if it happens there... that'll tell you whether the problem is with something in your account, or with the software itself |
| 21:51.23 | websdale | I'm logged in as a different user now - its impossible to login as me |
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| 21:51.56 | japro | Wyzard, im cunfused. the driver module is there and startx gives me the same error as modprobe and you tell me i don't need a kernel module... |
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| 21:53.14 | Kartagis | I'm trying to install debian, but installer doesn't recognize my sata hdd. what do I do? |
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| 21:53.36 | Wyzard | japro: I could be wrong, maybe via_drv.o does try to load a kernel module or something, but I'd be surprised if it did |
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| 21:53.57 | Wyzard | japro: What I'd do is run startx under strace with the output logged to a file, and then look through the file for lines containing "via_drv.o" |
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| 21:54.26 | sigma957 | Kartagis: did you go thru the help on booting and see if you need a kernel parameter? |
| 21:55.14 | ruied | holorad: tx! going to take a try... |
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| 21:57.36 | Kartagis | sigma957: I just did, but no parameter regarding sata hdd |
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| 21:58.33 | festival | ibotirama |
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| 22:00.34 | sigma957 | Kartagis: go to http://wiki.debian.net/index.cgi?DebianInstallerFAQ and read the SATA section. hope it helps |
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| 22:02.16 | tga | when I smbmount a samba share I get the remote uid/gids.. how can I have it only use the local user's uid/gid? |
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| 22:02.47 | christor | PLease I would like to install a packages unstable on a debian testing. I have added a source unstable in the /etc/apt/source.list. Then I have done an apt-get update. The apt-get -t unstable libapache2-mod-fastcgi and I have the error Package is not available . Where is the problem please? |
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| 22:03.51 | valdyn | !info libapache2-mod-fastcgi unstable |
| 22:03.53 | dpkg | libapache2-mod-fastcgi: (FastCGI module for Apache2), section non-free/web, is optional. Version: 2.4.2-6 (sid), Packaged size: 62 kB, Installed size: 184 kB |
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| 22:04.11 | tga | christor: did you apt-get update? |
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| 22:04.21 | valdyn | christor: that you are missing non-free in your source line? |
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| 22:04.26 | Kartagis | sigma957: I am using AMD, |
| 22:04.27 | christor | tga: yes I have done |
| 22:04.37 | christor | ah valdyn may be |
| 22:04.37 | Kartagis | what arch is that? |
| 22:05.05 | valdyn | Kartagis: none, thats a brand name and a company |
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| 22:05.37 | tga | an amd/sparc64 would be nice |
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| 22:06.45 | valdyn | Kartagis: so, you want us to guess what you have? amd 386 dx/40? athlonXP? opteron? |
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| 22:07.18 | sigma957 | Kartagis: your problem was booting to a sata hard drive.. what does that have to do with your processor? |
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| 22:07.28 | christor | valdyn: THX it was the prob |
| 22:07.39 | mike | hi, how can i find out why packages have been kept back and change it so i can get the latest packages? |
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| 22:08.17 | valdyn | mike: always the same reason, that is that dependencies cannot be fullfilled |
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| 22:08.28 | valdyn | mike: try "apt-get dist-upgrade" |
| 22:08.46 | mike | valdyn: whats that do? |
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| 22:08.59 | valdyn | mike: "man apt-get" |
| 22:09.08 | mike | valdyn: lol, ok |
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| 22:09.34 | valdyn | mike: thats not a joke, if i explain it you wont understand it better |
| 22:09.57 | mike | valdyn: i understand |
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| 22:15.21 | Wyzard | This is sort of a random question... anyone have experience with using a Brother P-Touch label printer (PT-1950, specifically) from Linux? |
| 22:16.04 | tga | this is a sequential question, how do I do something like -o uid=foo on smbfs? |
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| 22:16.21 | Wyzard | It's recognied as a USB print interface, same as any other USB printer, but considering that it prints on label tape rather than sheets of paper, I doubt I can use it as I'd use other printers |
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| 22:17.00 | tga | Wyzard: why not? just set the right paper size |
| 22:17.03 | Kartagis | if I do a make fdimage, will this wreck my current kernel? |
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| 22:17.30 | shingouz | Wyzard: maybe if you make a special "paper" for it, as in not letting cups use letter or A4 as default but something smaller? |
| 22:17.38 | Wyzard | hmm |
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| 22:19.17 | roo9 | does anyone know if the "Intel 82801DB (ICH4) Pro/100 Ethernet" is supported under FreeBSD |
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| 22:19.25 | roo9 | does anyone know if the "Intel 82801DB (ICH4) Pro/100 Ethernet" is supported under debian... not freebsd |
| 22:19.27 | shingouz | Wyzard: if you have such a printer there, have you tried to print something onto it already? rip just one "sheet" out off the roll and make the printer use that one so you do not use up the whole roll if it goes totally haywire |
| 22:19.42 | shingouz | roo9: i believe it is |
| 22:19.44 | Blissex | roo9: there is a version of Debian running on FreeBSD. |
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| 22:20.18 | Wyzard | shingouz: haven't tried... I suppose it wouldn't hurt to echo a string to it or something |
| 22:21.12 | shingouz | Wyzard: shouldnt hurt at least. and if you measure the "paper" and tell cups to use such paper when printing to the printer you just may succeed |
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| 22:21.36 | shingouz | of course the job you feed to the printer cannot be anything bigger than the printable surface |
| 22:22.34 | Wyzard | hmm... there's no device in /dev for it though (using udev) |
| 22:22.41 | websdale | Wyzard: hello again - this is the error I get when I try to login to my usual account: |
| 22:22.44 | websdale | GLib-ERROR **: gmem.c:141: failed to allocate 2828571276 bytes |
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| 22:23.08 | CLI | Hello! |
| 22:23.09 | Wyzard | websdale: Have you tried with a different acocunt yet? |
| 22:23.43 | websdale | yes as I said I'm logged in as a different account now - my usual one is unusable |
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| 22:24.11 | croatianninja | i am running sarge w/ kernel 2.6.8-1-386 but i cant find the kernel header for my kernel. i need them to install the nvidia drivers right? |
| 22:24.29 | croatianninja | all i see is headers for 2.6.8.-10 |
| 22:24.37 | croatianninja | is that the same thing? |
| 22:24.53 | Wyzard | Then move everything out of your ~/.gnome2 and see if that helps... if it does, move things back one at a time until you find the problem |
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| 22:25.38 | Wyzard | croatianninja: You want kernel-headers-2.6.8, which does exist in testing |
| 22:25.55 | shingouz | Wyzard: shouldnt the printer just look like any other usb printer, i doubt you would need another device for it unless you have a bunch of printers sitting there. maybe you have to check what lsusb tells you |
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| 22:26.03 | croatianninja | ok, so i need to add an apt repository? |
| 22:26.31 | Wyzard | croatianninja: No, you're already running testing (= sarge) -- just "apt-get install" it |
| 22:26.32 | green_earz | croatianninja: apt-get install kernel-headers-2.6.8-2-686 |
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| 22:26.59 | Wyzard | shingouz: Well, I mean, there's no /dev/lp* device for it, so no way (that I know of) to communicate with it |
| 22:27.07 | croatianninja | but uname -a says im running 2.6.8-1-386 |
| 22:27.24 | croatianninja | not 2.6.8-2-386 |
| 22:28.04 | green_earz | croatianninja: > kernel-headers-2.6-686 |
| 22:28.23 | green_earz | croatianninja: sorry |
| 22:28.30 | mike | valdyn: can u look at the output of dist-upgrade in #flood? |
| 22:28.37 | shingouz | Wyzard: lsusb and see what it tells you. set lp to install when you plug the printer in, i guess the printer does not have an entry in the ..umm... whatever the usbconfig file was named again |
| 22:28.53 | croatianninja | green_earz: but im not running that kernel |
| 22:29.02 | green_earz | <PROTECTED> |
| 22:29.24 | croatianninja | green_earz: ok ill try it |
| 22:30.02 | mike | why is it going to remove my kde? |
| 22:30.05 | Active2 | i've a debian box running and a ldapserver with user accounts and stuff, now some users in the ldap tree are working and others not: Failing with: "Authentication service cannot retrieve info" |
| 22:30.25 | Active2 | does somebody know what's wrong ? |
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| 22:30.44 | green_earz | mike: are you moving from woody to sarge ? |
| 22:31.11 | netbrain | what does unable to mount root fs on unknown block mean? |
| 22:31.24 | netbrain | 2.6.8 kernel |
| 22:31.38 | CLI | kg wwsr | READ BTS: /msg dpkg bts | Paste in #flood or /msg dpkg paster, NOT here | /msg bots NOT people | X.org -> /msg dpkg xorg | Java -> /msg dpkg java | Spambots? /umode +E; Ask for an op | No, gnome 2.10 and kde 3.4 are not packaged yet | Sarge d-i rc3 out! /msg dpkg d-i | people.debian.org up, some pages missing |
| 22:31.39 | CLI | Wyzardshingouz: haven't tried... I suppose it wouldn't hurt to echo a string to it or something |
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| 22:35.00 | infinity_ | anyone know of a way to detect if you're inside vmware using a script |
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| 22:35.19 | nydust | where are the apache 2 installation paramethers? |
| 22:36.15 | nydust | i am running an install script and it ask where if its in /ect/httpd/bin but where is it? |
| 22:36.50 | Wyzard | nydust: If you're looking for the apache2 binary itself, it's in /usr/sbin |
| 22:36.59 | nydust | thanks |
| 22:37.23 | ignatz | infinity you dont need a script you can simply look at the devices |
| 22:37.35 | infinity_ | which device? |
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| 22:37.57 | Cayenne | helow |
| 22:38.01 | Knorrie | I suddenly got an Segfaulting ldconfig on a remote box during apt-get upgrade |
| 22:38.03 | nydust | Wyzard, it ask for the httpd file |
| 22:38.05 | Cayenne | i need some help |
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| 22:38.09 | Cayenne | Inconsistency detected by ld.so: dynamic-link.h: 62: elf_get_dynamic_info: Assertion `! "bad dynamic tag"' failed! |
| 22:38.12 | Cayenne | please :) |
| 22:38.43 | Wyzard | nydust: The binary is called "apache2"... it hasn't been named "httpd" in a long time |
| 22:38.47 | schlurchz | Hi folks. Just found out that in an xterm, readline eats the Meta key --- aterm, for example, works okay. Just tried to set the metaSendsEscape resource, but to no avail. It's a german environment here. Any ideas? |
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| 22:39.16 | nydust | Wyzard, aha maybe i can make a link named httpd? |
| 22:39.26 | schlurchz | Note <ESC> works as the Meta key. |
| 22:39.36 | schlurchz | But that's really not very handy |
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| 22:39.43 | infinity_ | ah. /proc/ide/hda/model = vmware |
| 22:39.57 | Wyzard | infinity_: That won't work in VMs that use SCSI disks :-) |
| 22:40.01 | nydust | Wyzard, vtiger crm |
| 22:40.02 | nydust | ;) |
| 22:40.21 | infinity_ | Wyzard: got a better idea? |
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| 22:40.48 | Wyzard | infinity_: If you have VMware Tools installed, check its initscript to see if it does any sort of detection |
| 22:41.30 | infinity_ | Wyzard: thats a good idea. i'm afraid i won't be able to boot the system in native mode if i install tools though. they go and have fun on all the x11 and other stuf |
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| 22:41.48 | Wyzard | infinity_: Then just unpack the tarball without actually installing it |
| 22:41.51 | Cayenne | HELP Inconsistency detected by ld.so |
| 22:42.17 | infinity_ | Wyzard: what i need is a howto for running a system in vmware and in native mode |
| 22:42.46 | Wyzard | infinity_: Sorry... I do that with Windows, but not with Linux |
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| 22:43.18 | UKPbrown_ | Hi All, When doing an apt update I get the following errors on 2 systems, how do I fix this please... Errors were encountered while processing: |
| 22:43.18 | UKPbrown_ | <PROTECTED> |
| 22:43.46 | infinity_ | Wyzard: yea. i found a howto for windows. heh. i need the other way around. i rarely want my workstation inside linux |
| 22:43.59 | Wyzard | UKPbrown_: That just tells you that it ran into a problem earlier during the upgrade... look earlier in the output to find the actual error message |
| 22:44.13 | Wyzard | infinity_: I rarely want mine in Windows :-P |
| 22:45.11 | UKPbrown_ | dpkg: error processing /var/cache/apt/archives/flex_2.5.31-31_i386.deb (--unpack): |
| 22:45.11 | UKPbrown_ | <PROTECTED> |
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| 22:45.25 | UKPbrown_ | :( still don't know how to fix, sorry guys |
| 22:45.54 | Peaker | UKPbrown_: there should have been an error report previously wasnt there? |
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| 22:46.23 | Wyzard | UKPbrown_: That's a start... something went wrong while running the preinst script |
| 22:46.36 | Chrissy2k5 | hey can anyone tell me if this is right for when i do invoke-rc.d vsftpd stop |
| 22:46.38 | Chrissy2k5 | Stopping FTP server: vsftpdNo /usr/sbin/vsftpd found running; none killed. |
| 22:46.40 | Chrissy2k5 | and when i try to connect to my vsftpd server .. i am getting this |
| 22:46.43 | Chrissy2k5 | /usr/sbin/pure-ftpd-wrapper: Cannot exec /usr/sbin/pure-ftpd: no such file or directory at /usr/sbin/pure-ftpd-wrapper line 174. |
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| 22:46.48 | Wyzard | UKPbrown_: Any other messages before that, which might've been printed by that preinst script while it was running? |
| 22:46.59 | UKPbrown_ | can't see any error report, just those 2 mentions of an error |
| 22:47.02 | Peaker | UKPbrown_: /var/lib/dpkg/info/flex.preinst is the script that failed |
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| 22:47.53 | Wyzard | UKPbrown_: Probably a bug in the script then |
| 22:47.58 | Knorrie | what about this one: Setting up libgcc1 (3.4.3-12) ... /var/lib/dpkg/info/libgcc1.postinst: line 6: 2214 Segmentation fault ldconfig |
| 22:48.10 | UKPbrown_ | can I ask it to ignore that particular update? |
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| 22:48.22 | UKPbrown_ | i did a apt-get update && apt-get dist-upgrade |
| 22:48.27 | UKPbrown_ | so got everything |
| 22:48.28 | Knorrie | and then everthing else failes and I'm left with 44 non-updated packages :| |
| 22:48.30 | Peaker | UKPbrown_: you can try to apt-get -f install a few times? |
| 22:48.30 | Wyzard | UKPbrown_: It's /var/lib/dpkg/info/flex.preinst, if you want to debug it |
| 22:49.00 | schlurchz | er, lost connection. Did I miss a helpful statement on that xterm/meta issue? :-) |
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| 22:50.56 | UKPbrown_ | guys another question, I want to install php5 via apt, it tells me its mentioned in the database but not in the list (Or something similar) I am guessing I need to add a line to sources.list but what do I add |
| 22:51.34 | peterS | UKPbrown_: I don't think it's available at all yet. *possibly* in experimental (/msg dpkg experimental) |
| 22:51.45 | Wyzard | UKPbrown_: Are you running testing or unstable? |
| 22:52.34 | UKPbrown_ | Wyzard, I don't know :-( I have used redhat in the past and a bud said to use dedian, so I had a 3.0r2 cd, I loaded it and am using apt to update |
| 22:53.08 | UKPbrown_ | one quick thing Wyzard, there is no flex.preinst in that dir, 3 other flex files but not a preinst |
| 22:53.14 | Knorrie | well well... I did an scp /sbin/ldconfig root@remote:/sbin/ldconfig and now the rest of the upgrades are running succesfull |
| 22:53.25 | Wyzard | UKPbrown_: Then you're running stable unless you've upgraded to testing or unstable, but I'd be surprised if you got that error with flex in stable |
| 22:53.26 | Knorrie | seems like a bad sector |
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| 22:54.26 | UKPbrown_ | is there a way I can tell Wyzard |
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| 22:54.52 | Wyzard | UKPbrown_: cat /etc/debian_version |
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| 22:55.50 | nichos | hi all, im trying to use gdesklets. Im in the "gdesklets shell" and i see some desklets, but how do i launch them? |
| 22:56.24 | green_earz | UKPbrown_: stable to testing > dist-upgrade but to bring just stable or testing up to date upgrade > here a apt-get primer > http://os.newsforge.com/os/04/12/02/1710208.shtml?tid=28&tid=130 |
| 22:56.27 | UKPbrown_ | Wyzard 3.1 |
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| 22:56.39 | Wyzard | UKPbrown_: Then you're running either testing or unstable, not stable |
| 22:56.56 | Wyzard | UKPbrown_: Check your /etc/apt/sources.list and see whether it mentions "testing" or "sarge", or "unstable" or "sid" |
| 22:57.23 | FieldySnuts | @kill ircnets that diliberately ban tor nodes |
| 22:57.28 | UKPbrown_ | deb http://security.debian.org/ stable/updates main |
| 22:57.28 | FieldySnuts | (note: not freenode) |
| 22:57.28 | UKPbrown_ | deb http://ftp.uk.debian.org/debian/ testing main non-free contrib |
| 22:57.28 | UKPbrown_ | deb-src http://ftp.uk.debian.org/debian/ testing main non-free contrib |
| 22:57.41 | Wyzard | UKPbrown_: OK, you're running testing, aka "sarge" |
| 22:57.48 | alec_ | eXCaLiBuR is doing on-join porn spamming; any ops around? |
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| 22:58.05 | Wyzard | alec_: Say "!ops eXCaLiBuR on-join spam" |
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| 22:58.14 | alec_ | Wyzard, thanks |
| 22:58.20 | Wyzard | alec_: That triggers a message with the ops' names in it, which gets their attention |
| 22:58.25 | alec_ | !ops eXCaLiBuR on-join spam |
| 22:58.25 | dpkg | Hydroxide, bob2, caphuso, dondelelcaro, doogie, eeyore-, ElectricElf, greycat, helix, ljlane, LoRez, mentor, Netsnipe, TML, walters, xk: eXCaLiBuR on-join spam |
| 22:58.32 | alec_ | !ops dCc on-join spam |
| 22:58.33 | dpkg | Hydroxide, bob2, caphuso, dondelelcaro, doogie, eeyore-, ElectricElf, greycat, helix, ljlane, LoRez, mentor, Netsnipe, TML, walters, xk: dCc on-join spam |
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| 22:58.44 | Wyzard | Didn't dCc get banned earlier for that? |
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| 22:58.55 | alec_ | Wyzard, he's back now |
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| 22:58.59 | alec_ | or was, at any rate :) |
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| 22:59.04 | FieldySnuts | sheesh how many |
| 22:59.07 | Wyzard | alec_: Hence, that's why I'm wondering about the ban |
| 22:59.14 | UKPbrown_ | Sorry guys, disconnected |
| 22:59.14 | dondelelcaro | caphuso: ;-) |
| 22:59.16 | helix | Wyzard: we ban by hostname |
| 22:59.22 | helix | Wyzard: they use different ones |
| 22:59.37 | Wyzard | ah |
| 22:59.45 | caphuso | dondelelcaro: yeah, i've been wasting too much time looking for a mask catching them all :) |
| 22:59.50 | Flimzy | I have an AT system with Via MVP3 chipset that will never reboot with 'shutdown -r', instead it freezes at "Restarting... Rebooting system" Am I missing some kernel option that allows the kernel to do a reboot? |
| 23:00.01 | dondelelcaro | caphuso: heh. yeah, if you find it, implement it... |
| 23:00.22 | UKPbrown_ | So looks like I have gotten over the flex error, when it ran the actual updates it brought up an ansi page asking if I wanted to upgrade flex, default option was no so I hit ok, later the error occurred, if I reran and said yes to upgrade flex its fine :-) |
| 23:00.31 | Blissex | Flimzy: try warm instead of cold reboots... Sometimes these things just dont work. |
| 23:00.45 | arnold | is there a command that can tell me my routers ip address |
| 23:00.52 | UKPbrown_ | so last question (honest) how do I get php5 ? |
| 23:00.57 | Knorrie | Flimzy: I got the same problem with a brand new asus p4s800-mx |
| 23:01.02 | valdyn | !php5 |
| 23:01.02 | dpkg | i heard php5 is at ``deb http://packages.dotdeb.org ./'' but remember to read http://devel.dotdeb.org and remove the line or you'll hose your system, or http://lists.debian.org/debian-devel/2004/12/msg01992.html (for sid), but don't yell at us when they break your system, or see http://bugs.debian.org/262977 |
| 23:01.17 | UKPbrown_ | k cheers |
| 23:01.18 | Wyzard | UKPbrown_: PHP5 isn't packaged yet, even in unstable... the most you can hope for is unofficial packages |
| 23:01.25 | UKPbrown_ | ahh ok |
| 23:01.29 | caphuso | arnold: lynx -dump checkip.dyndns.org |
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| 23:01.42 | UKPbrown_ | based upon my past questions, I am not ready for something that new ;-) |
| 23:01.46 | arnold | thanks |
| 23:01.49 | UKPbrown_ | Thanks for all your help guys |
| 23:02.41 | ignatz | you can pretty easy compile it by hand |
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| 23:05.05 | thingfish | just a reflection...but I've been messing with linux since 1999, and it's maturing nicely. |
| 23:05.52 | thingfish | You just really don't need another o.s., unless you're addicted to some game or something. |
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| 23:06.30 | Eclipser | thingfish, don't remind me :< |
| 23:06.43 | Wyzard | Cayenne: Ask questions in the channel, not with PMs |
| 23:06.46 | Eclipser | I'm trying to forget it |
| 23:06.56 | ignatz | maybe some day even office applications are marture enough for the overall public thingfish |
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| 23:07.01 | epicenter | I have nForce 3 onboard audio, and /dev/dsp has been created, yet all audio apps can't play sound and complain that they cannot open /dev/dsp/. Am I doing something wrong?... |
| 23:07.04 | thingfish | I just wish all the time I put into redhat/fedora had been put into Debian instead. |
| 23:07.18 | Wyzard | epicenter: Is your account in the "audio" group? |
| 23:07.25 | epicenter | I am trying this as root |
| 23:07.36 | thingfish | ignatz: well really, at this point they *are* adequate. Not much more than that, but they are adequate. |
| 23:07.43 | jethro | hi |
| 23:07.44 | epicenter | Wyzard: I tried chowning dsp and audio to my user though, no luck there either. |
| 23:07.48 | ignatz | not for a simple enduser |
| 23:07.58 | thingfish | hey jethro |
| 23:08.05 | ignatz | i.e a secretary |
| 23:08.05 | xsdg | epicenter: is there anything useful in /var/log/kern.log? |
| 23:08.07 | jethro | hey thingfish |
| 23:08.10 | Wyzard | epicenter: Don't do that... add your account to the audio group |
| 23:08.13 | thingfish | drinking any bourbon tonight? |
| 23:08.21 | epicenter | chgrp username audio? ... |
| 23:08.22 | nydust | whitch port are apache on? |
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| 23:08.27 | Wyzard | epicenter: adduser <username> audio |
| 23:08.29 | epicenter | shouldn'rt it work as root though? |
| 23:08.33 | ignatz | nydust normally 80 for http and 443 for https |
| 23:08.33 | xsdg | Wyzard: bah; got me |
| 23:08.40 | epicenter | who should I give the audio and dsp back to; root? |
| 23:08.41 | xsdg | epicenter: is there anything useful in /var/log/kern.log? |
| 23:08.47 | epicenter | xsdg: checking |
| 23:08.49 | jethro | thingfish: just got a few pints of stout at the pub, went home, and took the bottle out of the closet :) |
| 23:08.49 | epicenter | doing 2 things at once |
| 23:08.53 | xsdg | np |
| 23:08.58 | Wyzard | Cayenne: Ask the channel, don't PM me |
| 23:09.06 | thingfish | jethro: there's my man. :) |
| 23:09.53 | jethro | I m still looking for a pub with smithwicks in paris |
| 23:10.18 | Cayenne | i did |
| 23:10.18 | Wyzard | Cayenne: BTW, a Google search for "elf_get_dynamic_ifo assertion failed" turns up lots of hits |
| 23:10.23 | Cayenne | Inconsistency detected by ld.so: dynamic-link.h: 62: elf_get_dynamic_info: Assertion `! "bad dynamic tag"' failed! |
| 23:10.40 | thingfish | I've never tasted smithwicks, I'll have to note it for future reference. |
| 23:10.44 | Cayenne | please Wyzard |
| 23:10.52 | Cayenne | im'm new at debian |
| 23:10.55 | epicenter | xsdg: I see nothing about my audio device there |
| 23:11.00 | jethro | thingfish: some say its a womans beer, but I like it :) |
| 23:11.23 | UKPbrown_ | night all and thanks again for your help |
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| 23:11.40 | thingfish | oh I'm sure there's no such thing as "women's beer". |
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| 23:11.47 | Chrissy2k5 | !dpfg find, ircd |
| 23:11.48 | jethro | thingfish: smooth & tasty |
| 23:11.53 | Chrissy2k5 | !dpkg find, ircd |
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| 23:11.55 | epicenter | When I say, try to play a WAV inVLC .. I get: |
| 23:11.56 | epicenter | VLC media player 0.8.1 Janus |
| 23:11.56 | epicenter | [00000270] oss audio output error: cannot open audio device (/dev/dsp) |
| 23:12.03 | Chrissy2k5 | !dpkg find ircd |
| 23:12.04 | dpkg | Debian Package Listing of 'ircd' (6): dancer-ircd ;; dancer-ircd-doc ;; ircd ;; ircd-hybrid ;; ircd-irc2 ;; ircd-ircu. |
| 23:12.09 | epicenter | I think my card is an ALSA device though ... |
| 23:12.11 | xsdg | epicenter: hrm. what does `lsmod` say? (output in #flood) |
| 23:12.11 | epicenter | XMMS does the same |
| 23:12.12 | cheal | !tell Chrissy2k5 about msg the bot |
| 23:12.14 | xsdg | epicenter: aah |
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| 23:12.22 | kernel_panic | hi |
| 23:12.32 | thingfish | You couldn't even call the crap they produce here in the U.S. women's beer - that'd be too kind. |
| 23:12.35 | Chrissy2k5 | :O my genetalia :| |
| 23:12.42 | thingfish | wow |
| 23:12.48 | xsdg | epicenter: hrm; do you have alsaplayer installed? |
| 23:13.07 | jethro | yeah she did actually beat every one of us at it |
| 23:13.13 | cheal | Chrissy2k5: eh, you were warned now :-P |
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| 23:13.15 | thingfish | I knew a girl like that once, she could hold her liquor like you can't imagine. Of Belgian extraction. |
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| 23:13.27 | Flimzy | Blissex: How do I do a warm instead of cold reboot? |
| 23:13.37 | kernel_panic | when I do "echo $PATH" with the root user, I don't have the "sbin" dirs ..., where is the root's PATH set ? |
| 23:13.41 | Blissex | Flimzy: it is kernel boot parameter... |
| 23:13.49 | Wyzard | Cayenne: You could try reinstalling the libc6 package... but I've never seen that error before, and without any prior knowledge of the problem, it'd be very difficult to track down without actually being at your computer |
| 23:13.51 | Flimzy | Knorrie: Well this problem didn't exist using an older kernel (2.2 or 2.4, IIRC) |
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| 23:14.08 | Blissex | Flimzy: 'reboot=warn' |
| 23:14.11 | Blissex | Flimzy: 'reboot=warm' |
| 23:14.24 | Wyzard | Cayenne: I've read some of the Google hits, and some people have gotten that message after being hacked or getting one of the few Linux viruses that exist |
| 23:14.31 | Blissex | Flimzy: also, try to disable ACPI with 'acpi=off' |
| 23:14.36 | kernel_panic | when I do "echo $PATH" with the root user, I don't have the "sbin" dirs ..., where is the root's PATH set ? |
| 23:14.46 | Wyzard | Cayenne: Personally, I'd probably just reinstall |
| 23:14.48 | Flimzy | Blissex: okay, I'll try that |
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| 23:14.50 | kbrooks | can clients on a vnc server connect to another client who ids serving the server? |
| 23:14.53 | Blissex | kernel_panic: '/root/.profile' |
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| 23:15.14 | Flimzy | Blissex: I don't think ACPI is even enabled in the kernel. Should it be? |
| 23:15.15 | msc | hello ! |
| 23:15.16 | kbrooks | can clients on a vnc server connect to another client who is serving the server? |
| 23:15.19 | jethro | thingfish: I've been looking for it in the states, I've found it in a few bars on tap, which is great. |
| 23:15.25 | kernel_panic | Blissex: it's set in the .profile |
| 23:15.27 | aquarius | kbrooks, no. |
| 23:15.34 | Blissex | Flimzy: no, best not, especially for an old PC. |
| 23:15.35 | jethro | thingfish: that's a quote from a website, sounds like you might enjoy it too :) |
| 23:15.57 | epicenter | xsdg: No, should I? |
| 23:15.59 | epicenter | I installed and ran ALSAPlayer. I got:Failed to load output plugin "alsa". Trying defaults. |
| 23:16.01 | epicenter | alsaplayer interrupted by signal 2 |
| 23:16.02 | infinity_ | anyone know why when i login to kdm, i see a debian background, a few icons, and the thing hangs? |
| 23:16.03 | epicenter | xsdg: any ideas? |
| 23:16.17 | msc | should compile DRM as module ? |
| 23:16.20 | kernel_panic | Blissex: that's why I don't understand |
| 23:16.20 | Flimzy | Blissex: I just checked, and I don't have any power management enabled at all |
| 23:16.24 | aquarius | HOw can I build a Python package from testing in stable, and tell that package "build without python 2.3 support"? |
| 23:16.30 | Flimzy | Blissex: ACPI or APM |
| 23:16.37 | thingfish | jethro: if it's well made and is a quality product, I'm sure I'd appreciate it. |
| 23:16.37 | xsdg | epicenter: is alsaplayer-alsa installed? (alsaplayer's package organization is funny) |
| 23:16.43 | msc | by the way , i am using ATI |
| 23:16.50 | Blissex | Flimzy: APM. Rebooting is actually a power management thingie usually. |
| 23:17.19 | doublehp | `C=/bin/ls ; D="/bin/grep bin " ; $C / | $D` => OK; `C=/bin/ls ; D="/bin/grep bin | /bin/grep s" ; $C / | $D` => ERROR ; why ? |
| 23:17.22 | Flimzy | Blissex: So I should enable APM, eh? |
| 23:17.29 | epicenter | xsdg: Now it is, when I run it though, it just sits in the console blinking the cursor and does nothing |
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| 23:17.46 | infinity_ | whats the best way to debug a hung x while loading? |
| 23:17.46 | caphuso | doublehp: you need an eval |
| 23:17.48 | Chass | anyone else having problems getting callgrind working under testing? |
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| 23:18.02 | Phoenix_Zero | infinity: reconfigure it? |
| 23:18.03 | doublehp | caphuso: ? |
| 23:18.09 | thingfish | Chass: you check BTS? |
| 23:18.10 | xsdg | epicenter: weird |
| 23:18.14 | Jacobo221 | is there a specific (policy problem, maybe?) reason why mupen64 isn't in rep? |
| 23:18.15 | Chass | BTS? |
| 23:18.15 | epicenter | :( |
| 23:18.17 | caphuso | doublehp: eval, as in the shell builtin called eval |
| 23:18.21 | Flimzy | infinity_: read the log file |
| 23:18.30 | infinity_ | Flimzy: in /var/log? |
| 23:18.32 | Phoenix_Zero | ya that helps too |
| 23:18.42 | green_earz | infinity_: try removing kdm and installing it again. as this happend after a upgrade ? |
| 23:18.55 | Flimzy | infinity_: generally |
| 23:18.59 | xsdg | epicenter: cat /proc/asound/card0/pcm0p/info |
| 23:19.12 | infinity_ | green_earz: duno how it broke. haven't used it in ages |
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| 23:19.26 | doublehp | caphuso: I d ratheri think that | is get interpreted even thought inside "" ... |
| 23:19.30 | epicenter | card: 0 |
| 23:19.30 | epicenter | device: 0 |
| 23:19.30 | epicenter | subdevice: 0 |
| 23:19.30 | epicenter | stream: PLAYBACK |
| 23:19.30 | epicenter | id: Intel ICH |
| 23:19.30 | epicenter | name: NVidia CK8S |
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| 23:19.38 | caphuso | doublehp: no, it's not. that's the problem |
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| 23:19.44 | thingfish | brasileiro |
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| 23:19.45 | epicenter | subdevices_count: 1 |
| 23:19.46 | epicenter | subdevices_avail: 0 |
| 23:19.52 | epicenter | whoops ... |
| 23:19.59 | doublehp | caphuso: how can eval help ? |
| 23:20.27 | green_earz | infinity_: i have had simuarl problem after a upgrade. apt-get --purge it and install it again and luckly all ok |
| 23:20.51 | Knorrie | Flimzy,Blissex hmm the problems i have are with a brand new asus mobo and i think i like changing it for one that isn't buggy at the shop instead of tweaking my config |
| 23:20.51 | xsdg | epicenter: #flood in future; nonetheless, it looks like something's grabbed the audio device, which is why nothing else is playing |
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| 23:20.57 | aaron | yeh gidday |
| 23:21.03 | aaron | im having some trouble lol |
| 23:21.04 | xsdg | aaron: moo |
| 23:21.13 | caphuso | doublehp: compare FOO="echo -e 'foo\nbar' | grep foo"; $FOO with FOO="echo -e 'foo\nbar' | grep foo"; eval $FOO |
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| 23:21.24 | Gabrielc_ | hi |
| 23:21.33 | epicenter | xsdg: Any idea what it might be? It could be ubuntu's GUI but that doesn't play its sounds either. :( |
| 23:21.44 | epicenter | No one in #ubuntu has any clue either |
| 23:21.54 | Gabrielc_ | hello... need help with proftpd.... |
| 23:21.55 | epicenter | I can hear it pop when ALSA loads and unloads .. but that's it |
| 23:21.56 | Flimzy | Knorrie: Well I'm sure this isn't a hw problem, b/c the same hardware was working perfectly a week ago with an older kernel |
| 23:22.30 | thingfish | This is the only channel I've ever been in where people who aren't even using the distro come in and ask questions. |
| 23:22.30 | Knorrie | Flimzy: then we don't have the same problem, that's clear :) |
| 23:22.47 | xsdg | epicenter: fuser -v /dev/snd/* |
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| 23:22.56 | doublehp | caphuso: interesting ... |
| 23:23.00 | epicenter | <PROTECTED> |
| 23:23.00 | epicenter | /dev/snd/controlC0 epicenter 8242 f.... mixer_applet2 |
| 23:23.01 | aaron | gidday.... umm i'm having trouble installing. im trying to install sarge, and if i use the default kernel the installer hangs at 40% on unpacking required packages... and if i use the 2.6 kernel it hangs at 33% on installing the base system.. cn someone lend me a hand? |
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| 23:23.21 | Flimzy | epicenter: What does ubuntu have to do with anything? |
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| 23:23.35 | epicenter | Flimzy: I'm using Ubuntu, it has its own GUI that I thought could be using ALSA as well |
| 23:23.36 | thingfish | I mean, I used to hang out in #fedora and no one ever came in there asking about centos or taolinux. |
| 23:23.44 | aaron | haha |
| 23:23.45 | xsdg | epicenter: hrm; just control? that's odd |
| 23:23.49 | epicenter | It's Debian-based, at least. Since no one can help me from there.. :P |
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| 23:24.03 | xsdg | Flimzy: hey; ltns |
| 23:24.05 | aaron | then just use debian ;) |
| 23:24.14 | epicenter | Ubuntu is usually less hassle. :P |
| 23:24.23 | Flimzy | epicenter: If you're using ubuntu, then why are you here? |
| 23:24.27 | epicenter | Also, almost nothing worked in Debian on this machine |
| 23:24.28 | aaron | debains a dream.. once u get it going..... |
| 23:24.32 | thingfish | epicenter, sweetie pie, only the ubuntu peoples can help you. |
| 23:24.34 | Flimzy | epicenter: This is #Debian, not #Ubuntu |
| 23:24.34 | Flimzy | xsdg: hey, how's it going? |
| 23:24.36 | epicenter | I know that. Debian works great on my laotp, yes. But not here. |
| 23:24.40 | epicenter | *laptop |
| 23:24.43 | Chass | aaron, until packages randomly break in updates ;) |
| 23:24.59 | xsdg | Flimzy: ok; busy busy |
| 23:25.10 | epicenter | Thanks. :P |
| 23:25.10 | Flimzy | epicenter: If Ubuntu is better, then use Ubuntu. But DON'T FREAKING ASK US TO HELP YOU. |
| 23:25.11 | aaron | soo um how do i get it to go? |
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| 23:25.22 | epicenter | Flimzy: Chill the hell out. |
| 23:25.33 | epicenter | I'm asing about a problem that is specific to ALSA, not Debian or ubuntu. |
| 23:25.36 | Wyzard | aaron: It just hangs with no error messages? |
| 23:25.40 | Chass | heh, i'd expect someone so flimsy to be less up-tight |
| 23:25.40 | aaron | no |
| 23:25.40 | thingfish | we'z chillin' fine. |
| 23:25.43 | aaron | actually.... |
| 23:25.50 | Flimzy | xsdg: perhaps you could help him on #Ubuntu :P |
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| 23:26.13 | xsdg | Flimzy: I doubt the problem is distro-specific |
| 23:26.14 | aaron | with kernel 2.6, it hangs at 33% and just stops... 2.4 it hangs at 40% then after about a minute, red background with some debootstrap error |
| 23:26.19 | aaron | think its a seg fault |
| 23:26.27 | Flimzy | epicenter: Read the topic before you tell someone to chill out when they point out that you're OT. |
| 23:26.38 | xsdg | aaron: are you using debian-installer? |
| 23:26.43 | thingfish | Really, Ubuntu should just start allocating in their budget money for someone from #debian to hang out in #ubuntu and answer questions. |
| 23:26.44 | Wyzard | aaron: Well, the debootstrap error would be the key to what's wrong... what does it say? |
| 23:26.48 | aaron | yup off the sarge net install cd |
| 23:26.59 | xsdg | aaron: which version? |
| 23:27.05 | Flimzy | Anyway... xsdg, epicenter I'll let you get back to your troubleshooting. I've made my point, and will now do something else :P |
| 23:27.08 | epicenter | Flimzy: No one on #ubuntu can help me and no one on the forums can help me. What am I supposed to do? Stare at my speakers and hope some sound comes out by magic? |
| 23:27.11 | aaron | rite ummm ill check the message.. sarge 3.something i think its 1 |
| 23:27.12 | Knorrie | aaron: is it rc3? |
| 23:27.17 | epicenter | THANK YOU. Please GO AWAY, Flimzy. |
| 23:27.31 | thingfish | It doesn't reflect well on that distro that their own people can't meet support needs. |
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| 23:28.03 | Flimzy | epicenter: I will not go away. I'm not the one who's OT. |
| 23:28.18 | Flimzy | epicenter: The fact that nobody is on #Ubuntu is hardly the fault of me or #Debian. |
| 23:28.34 | lewis2 | hey there - all of a sudden, I am not able to send emails to my MTA. I get a timeout with my mail client, and exim has the following error in its logs: 2005-04-10 00:24:37 SMTP protocol violation: synchronization error (input sent without waiting for greeting): rejected connection from H=myhost [myip] input="" - I have not changed anything - any ideas? |
| 23:28.50 | aaron | i checked the message log.... and the last few lines read Unpacking replacement base-password \n segmentation fault \n umount: /target/dev/pts and shm no such file or direcory |
| 23:29.03 | lewis2 | it looks like exim is being too slow is responding the welcome banner or something - but I haven't changed anything |
| 23:29.24 | Chrissy2k5 | how do i properly uninstall something ?ŋ |
| 23:29.29 | aaron | i think its rc2? |
| 23:29.33 | Wyzard | Flimzy: IMO, the correct way to help a user of a Debian-based distribution is to pretend they're using Debian, and help them accordingly... that way, if the problem is distro-independent, they get it fixed, and if they're unable to follow your directions due to some difference in their distro, that's their problem |
| 23:29.39 | aaron | how do i find out? |
| 23:29.43 | xsdg | epicenter: hrm... does the file in /proc/asound/... still report 0 subdevices_avail? |
| 23:29.51 | Wyzard | aaron: Probably a bug in the installer... it is a beta, after all |
| 23:29.59 | epicenter | xsdg: yes. |
| 23:30.01 | Wyzard | aaron: Check the BTS; the problem might already have been reported |
| 23:30.05 | aaron | yeah but it workd on my comp |
| 23:30.10 | Chass | what is BTS |
| 23:30.16 | aaron | wheres that lol |
| 23:30.21 | xsdg | Chass: bugs.debian.org |
| 23:30.26 | xsdg | ~+bts |
| 23:30.27 | apt | bts is the Bug Tracking System for Debian packages, http://bugs.debian.org/ or to go directly to the bug page for a particular package, try http://bugs.debian.org/packagename or anyone running unstable who's unable to check the BTS should be shot on sight. apt-get install reportbug |
| 23:30.27 | Chass | thanks |
| 23:30.29 | aaron | o shit itsonly release 1 |
| 23:30.33 | Knorrie | just dl rc3 if u r unsure http://www.debian.org/devel/debian-installer/ |
| 23:30.37 | idnar | urgh jeez, vim isn't the best thing to open a 239MB IRC logfile in |
| 23:30.51 | Knorrie | aaron: and check this: http://www.debian.org/devel/debian-installer/News/2005/20050301 |
| 23:30.52 | jcsston | I'm using Debian 3.0r3, I installed the kernel-2.4-586 to replace my existing kernel-2.2-idepci kernel. Now I get a "VFS: Cannot open root device "302" or 03:02, Please append correct "root=" boot option" error on boot, I've googled and tweaked my lilo conf to no avail, any ideas? |
| 23:30.53 | xsdg | Knorrie: *cough* "you", "are" *cough* |
| 23:31.01 | xsdg | idnar: ;o) |
| 23:31.12 | Flimzy | epicenter: The official possition of this channel is if you're using Ubuntu, don't ask us for help. If xsdg is willing to help you, that's fine. But it's his perogative, and you should be greatful for HIS generosity, and should NOT feel put off by someone who says you're OT. |
| 23:31.12 | doublehp | caphuso: perfect :) thx |
| 23:31.16 | aquarius | Can I build only one of the possible binary packages from a source package with dpkg-buildpackage? Or do I have to build all the binary packages? |
| 23:31.20 | Knorrie | sorry :] |
| 23:31.24 | Flimzy | !tell epicenter about ubuntu |
| 23:31.32 | idnar | what was that "not supported" factoid? |
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| 23:32.35 | aaron | ummmm |
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| 23:32.38 | Knorrie | xsdg: http://www.fishermansfriend.com/ |
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| 23:32.52 | aaron | i still dont think its right.. and thers nothin i can find on it... |
| 23:32.54 | green_earz | jcsston: what your cpu type ? |
| 23:32.56 | aaron | on the bug thing |
| 23:32.59 | Flimzy | !tell epicenter about msg |
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| 23:34.00 | teos | can someone pls help me? when i run xawtv i get can't open /dev/video0: No such device |
| 23:34.01 | teos | v4l-conf had some trouble, trying to continue anyway |
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| 23:34.41 | jcsston | green_earz: Cyrtix M2 6x86 (equal to a Pentium MMX) |
| 23:34.43 | aaron | im thinking is there any way i could install manually |
| 23:34.47 | xsdg | epicenter: how about `fuser -v /dev/*pcm*`? |
| 23:34.59 | aaron | the other computers sitting rite beside me and i can get into a shell |
| 23:34.59 | Knorrie | aaron: why not use rc3? |
| 23:35.09 | Flimzy | !tell epicenter about msg |
| 23:35.10 | Flimzy | (again) |
| 23:35.19 | Flimzy | epicenter: Stop cussing at me in priv msg |
| 23:35.21 | aaron | will it fix the prob? |
| 23:35.36 | epicenter | Flimzy: Fuck you. #debian's rules do not apply to whom I contact on my own time. |
| 23:35.39 | epicenter | Stop dpkg spamming me. |
| 23:35.40 | Knorrie | aaron: probably |
| 23:35.49 | lewis2 | why when I 'telnet localhost 25' does it open my mail's welcome message immediately, but when done remotely, it takes about 60 seconds to load it up... |
| 23:35.54 | epicenter | xsdg: I get *pcm* no such file or directory. |
| 23:36.02 | Wyzard | epicenter: No, but they do apply to what you talk about in the channel |
| 23:36.04 | Flimzy | epicenter: #Debian's rules *do* apply if you're on #Debian. |
| 23:36.18 | Knorrie | aaron: because of this: http://www.debian.org/devel/debian-installer/News/2005/20050301 |
| 23:36.22 | epicenter | Well, then don |
| 23:36.25 | epicenter | 't MSG me first! |
| 23:36.30 | epicenter | And don't whine when I reply! |
| 23:36.41 | Flimzy | epicenter: If you're on #Debian, and msging ppl against their will, then you are liable to be kicked off of #Debian. Once you're no longer in #Debian, you're welcome to MSG me all you want. |
| 23:36.45 | epicenter | And leave it the hell alone because this is a conversation between I and xsdg, NOT YOU |
| 23:37.01 | Flimzy | epicenter: I didn't msg you first. |
| 23:37.20 | teos | can someone pls help me with xawtv, i get this "can't open /dev/video0: No such device" |
| 23:37.20 | epicenter | I'm not continuing this intellectually devoid conversation, do so if you want |
| 23:37.21 | Flimzy | epicenter: The first statement in the msg was you cussing at me. |
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| 23:37.33 | aaron | man come on guys grow up and stop bitchn |
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| 23:37.47 | xsdg | epicenter: hrm... fuser -v /dev/sound/* |
| 23:37.59 | green_earz | jcsston: have a look in cat /proc/cpuinfo the problem will be which kernel you need. sorry i do not whick one is for Cyrtix M2 6x86 |
| 23:38.15 | Flimzy | aaron: I tried that about 10 mins ago... but he had to keep it going... then had to start cussing. *sigh* And he wonders why we don't like Ubuntu users here. |
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| 23:38.57 | epicenter | xsdg: No such file or directory |
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| 23:40.01 | green_earz | teos: by the way have you install the nvidia driver ? then xawtv not working ? |
| 23:40.25 | epicenter | I'm stumped... |
| 23:40.26 | teos | i installed the ati |
| 23:40.27 | teos | driver |
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| 23:40.31 | aquarius | Can I build only one of the possible binary packages from a source package with dpkg-buildpackage? Or do I have to build all the binary packages? |
| 23:40.35 | aaron | who cares man lol ubuntu users are dicks anyway =D |
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| 23:40.48 | epicenter | I thought that was the stereotype of gentoo users. |
| 23:40.53 | xsdg | aaron: stop please |
| 23:40.56 | teos | i used the vesa driver at firs tthen switched to ati |
| 23:41.16 | aaron | well thanks 4 ur help Knorrie & Wyzard wish me luck with this install :D |
| 23:42.17 | Knorrie | aaron: good luck |
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| 23:43.00 | green_earz | teos: sorry can not be much help. if you do not get any where here, try the mail list |
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| 23:43.42 | teos | ok |
| 23:43.46 | teos | whats the mail list |
| 23:43.52 | teos | im new to linux |
| 23:44.08 | green_earz | teos: You can search the Debian mailing lists archives > http://lists.debian.org/search.html |
| 23:44.15 | teos | ok |
| 23:44.21 | streuner | teos: www.debian.org on the left ML for mailing-lists |
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| 23:45.03 | teos | ok thanks |
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| 23:45.34 | freddy | hello... how do i set my network card to receive the ip from a DHCP? |
| 23:45.47 | travisat | man interfaces |
| 23:46.16 | icaro | hello |
| 23:46.19 | green_earz | freddy: or apt-get etherconf it will help you setup the net card |
| 23:46.33 | streuner | teos: did you modprobe the driver for your tv-card? |
| 23:46.34 | xsdg | epicenter: I don't know what to say; it seems that something is accessing your audio device, but I don't know where it could be accessing it from |
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| 23:46.43 | myren | d |
| 23:46.47 | epicenter | great ;( |
| 23:46.54 | biggi_mat | hmm...how do i make apache "know" php? |
| 23:47.03 | biggi_mat | is the thing in compiling or in httpd.con ? |
| 23:47.05 | biggi_mat | f |
| 23:47.07 | Wyzard | xsdg, epicenter: I haven't been following your conversation, but have you tried lsof yet? |
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| 23:47.26 | streuner | biggi_mat: read /usr/doc/share/php4/README.debian |
| 23:47.31 | xsdg | Wyzard: yup; on /dev/snd/* and /dev/sound/* (which doesn't exist, so OSS emu probably isn't loaded) |
| 23:47.38 | biggi_mat | streuner oh thanks |
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| 23:47.42 | biggi_mat | forgot about that |
| 23:47.56 | Wyzard | xsdg: And /dev/dsp, just in case? |
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| 23:48.34 | xsdg | Wyzard: hrm... not yet |
| 23:48.37 | xsdg | epicenter: ^^^ |
| 23:48.42 | biggi_mat | hmm streuner i don't have that |
| 23:48.45 | biggi_mat | wierd |
| 23:48.52 | biggi_mat | owh i have PHP5 btw |
| 23:48.57 | streuner | biggi_mat: oh |
| 23:49.01 | travisat | /usr/share/doc? |
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| 23:49.48 | streuner | biggi_mat: usually debian stores its doc in /usr/share/doc/package/ |
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| 23:50.21 | biggi_mat | k0x:/usr/share/doc# cd p |
| 23:50.21 | biggi_mat | passwd/ perl/ perl-modules/ postfix/ pppconfig/ pppoeconf/ procps/ proftpd-common/ |
| 23:50.21 | biggi_mat | pciutils/ perl-base/ pidentd/ ppp/ pppoe/ procmail/ proftpd/ psmisc/ |
| 23:50.29 | biggi_mat | so damn |
| 23:50.57 | travisat | biggi_mat: should be docs in php src packages, I am assuming you compiled from source |
| 23:51.11 | biggi_mat | travisat yes i did |
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| 23:51.28 | Kraig | sounds like a FA |
| 23:51.30 | Kraig | Q |
| 23:51.56 | biggi_mat | travisat no readme nowhere |
| 23:52.01 | biggi_mat | with .debian |
| 23:52.07 | travisat | no doc directory/ |
| 23:52.40 | biggi_mat | nop |
| 23:52.50 | biggi_mat | not in php-5.0.4 |
| 23:52.58 | biggi_mat | not in /usr/share/doc |
| 23:53.02 | travisat | did you install php in /usr/local? |
| 23:53.09 | myren | ugg, windows is SO STUPID. worst linking system EVAR |
| 23:53.29 | streuner | biggi_mat: hold on... |
| 23:53.43 | Wyzard | myren: dllimport/dllexport? |
| 23:53.46 | biggi_mat | travisat i didn't do --prefix=... i just did ./configure |
| 23:54.00 | travisat | so check /usr/local/share/doc for docs |
| 23:54.16 | biggi_mat | k0x:/usr/local/share/doc# ls |
| 23:54.16 | biggi_mat | irssi |
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| 23:54.30 | Kraig | biggi_mat: you mean something like http://us3.php.net/manual/en/install.unix.php#install.unix.apache ? |
| 23:54.44 | kingsley | hurd's live CD hung while qemu booted it, at least on my box. |
| 23:54.45 | travisat | oh well, I guess google might have the docs you want |
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| 23:55.08 | lewis2 | i seem to have a delayed SMTP greeting for my host, but for no other hosts, when connecting to my remote SMTP box - any ideas? |
| 23:55.09 | myren | Wyzard: erm, i was talking aboutb shortcuts |
| 23:55.10 | biggi_mat | Kraig yes this looks good |
| 23:55.19 | biggi_mat | just a sec to check it all |
| 23:55.23 | biggi_mat | Kraig thanks btw |
| 23:55.25 | Wyzard | myren: oh... *that* sort of "link" :-) |
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| 23:55.30 | myren | from what i understand, .so is hardly any more advanced than dll's |
| 23:55.39 | myren | linking is pretty simple usually |
| 23:55.53 | Kraig | biggi_mat: google is your friend... |
| 23:55.58 | epicenter | What does lsof do? |
| 23:56.03 | epicenter | er |
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| 23:56.10 | travisat | !lsof |
| 23:56.10 | dpkg | methinks lsof is LiSt Open Files. apt-get install lsof |
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| 23:56.12 | xsdg | epicenter: lsof = "ls open file"; similar to fuser |
| 23:56.12 | epicenter | xsdg: What does lsof do? |
| 23:56.15 | biggi_mat | Kraig i asked "my friend" but havent got what i needed |
| 23:56.17 | epicenter | what would I do it for? |
| 23:56.35 | travisat | it lists open files... |
| 23:56.38 | Wyzard | myren: I know... but functions to be exported in DLLs have to be tagged "dllexport" when compiling the library that defines the functions, and "dllimport" when compiing code which will use the library, so they have to use ugly macro systems to make that happen |
| 23:56.41 | xsdg | epicenter: it basically does similar stuff to fuser -- tell if a file is open, and if so, by whom |
| 23:56.42 | Kraig | biggi_mat: hehehe, there should be a how-to ask google... :-) |
| 23:56.48 | a_monkey | where can i get libmp3lame.so? |
| 23:56.57 | a_monkey | in a debian package? |
| 23:56.59 | biggi_mat | well usually i get good things. don't know what i wrote wrong :) |
| 23:57.00 | xsdg | a_monkey: you can install it; one sec |
| 23:57.06 | streuner | biggi_mat: http://weda.mine.nu/README.Debian |
| 23:57.06 | xsdg | ~tell a_monkey about marillat |
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| 23:57.09 | travisat | !google google |
| 23:57.16 | dpkg | Google says google is at http://www.google.com/ or http://www.google.com/intl/appliance/ or http://www.google.com/intl/en_extra/ or http://www.google.com/language_tools?hl=en or http://www.google.com/addurl/?continue=/addurl |
| 23:57.24 | xsdg | err... |
| 23:57.25 | biggi_mat | :)) |
| 23:57.28 | xsdg | ~tell a_monkey about mplayer |
| 23:57.29 | biggi_mat | streuner thanks |
| 23:57.40 | xsdg | a_monkey: you should be able to get lame debs from that source |
| 23:57.47 | biggi_mat | !tell a_monkey about mplayer |
| 23:58.10 | xsdg | biggi_mat: beat ya :o) |
| 23:58.26 | biggi_mat | :) |
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| 23:59.25 | epicenter | xsdg: COMMAND PID USER FD TYPE DEVICE SIZE NODE NAME |
| 23:59.25 | epicenter | esd 8096 epicenter 5w CHR 14,3 7225 dsp |
| 23:59.31 | xsdg | epicenter: there ya go |
| 23:59.39 | epicenter | esd has it open? |
| 23:59.42 | xsdg | epicenter: kill it, or just use ESD audio output |
| 23:59.50 | epicenter | OK, killed esd |
| 23:59.51 | epicenter | 1 sec |
