| 00:00.03 | pipeline | the-erm: You could if you wanted to, but I prefer to have tested packages. |
| 00:00.07 | Guerin | yeah, it is FAR superior |
| 00:00.09 | travisat | apt, vga =~ s/php/php, unless you use vesafb-tng for some strange reason/ |
| 00:00.09 | apt | travisat: OK |
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| 00:00.17 | Guerin | cottus: no, certain packages might be poorly made |
| 00:00.18 | Jarn | why do some packages get held back when I do apt-get install upgrade? |
| 00:00.24 | Guerin | but apt itself is rock-solid |
| 00:00.32 | pipeline | cottus: I'm not entirely sure you know what you're doing. |
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| 00:00.33 | Jarn | er |
| 00:00.35 | Jarn | apt-get upgrade |
| 00:00.42 | Jarn | and is there a way to force those packages |
| 00:00.43 | Jarn | and would it be bad |
| 00:00.56 | cottus | Guerin> i mean that with urpmi i can get things done faster then i can apt, and i am trying to learn apt as best i can, but its still not as fast for me |
| 00:00.56 | Guerin | !kept back |
| 00:00.58 | pipeline | Jarn: If it's a big upgrade, you could try using "dist-upgrade" |
| 00:01.09 | the-erm | Well I guess I'll download the isos, drag out the old computer, set it up, and start playing. |
| 00:01.12 | Jarn | pipeline: It's only 34 packages. |
| 00:01.13 | Guerin | cottus: apt is a far more powerful and complex tool |
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| 00:01.21 | Jarn | pipeline: What does dist-upgrade do? |
| 00:01.23 | Guerin | ~kept back |
| 00:01.24 | apt | i heard kept back is when packages have not been upgraded, even though newer versions are available, because it cannot resolve dependenices for the newer version, or when you told it to hold packages, or when you used "upgrade" instead of "dist-upgrade", or the safest way to resolve this is perhaps to 'apt-get install <kept-package>' and it will resolve stuff for ... |
| 00:01.24 | PocKeT | anybody could help me please!! :) |
| 00:01.25 | pipeline | the-erm: Eh, you only need one ISO. Get the businesscard |
| 00:01.34 | Guerin | PocKeT: ask your question |
| 00:01.36 | the-erm | pipeline: ok. |
| 00:01.37 | cottus | Guerin> too bad its docs arent as clear for me to learn it as well |
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| 00:01.41 | pipeline | Jarn: dist-upgrade handles dependencies in a different way, for upgrading between releases. |
| 00:01.48 | Guerin | cottus: use aptitude or something |
| 00:01.51 | pipeline | the-erm: erre, get the netinstall, or if you're feeling daring, the businesscard. |
| 00:01.52 | Kerr | !cpanel |
| 00:01.52 | Jarn | okay |
| 00:02.02 | travisat | cottus: use aptitude |
| 00:02.05 | cottus | Guerin> I will figure it out, but its not as clear to me |
| 00:02.10 | Kerr | :-/ |
| 00:02.19 | pipeline | the-erm: One major feature of apt that you'll probably like is that upgrades between major versions work. You can upgrade from potato to woody to sarge perfectly safely. |
| 00:02.23 | cottus | well i only ever used urpmi from cli, Id rather use apt from cli too |
| 00:02.25 | Kerr | can any of you reccomend an alternative to cpanel? |
| 00:02.28 | pipeline | the-erm: Whereas I am told that urpmi cannot. |
| 00:02.35 | pipeline | cottus: apt's CLI interface is quite nice. |
| 00:02.37 | Guerin | cottus: you can use aptitude from cli |
| 00:02.37 | karsten | Kerr: What's cpanel? |
| 00:02.44 | cottus | pipeline> i upgraded four mandrakes in a row with urpmi, no problems |
| 00:02.47 | pipeline | Kerr: No. Cpanel is awful, and none of its equivalents can be recommended. |
| 00:02.50 | kingsley_ | I'd like to listen to a radio show that's also broadcast over the web, but the html indicates that I'll evidently need Microsoft's Windows Media Player. Does Linux have an alternative? |
| 00:02.52 | pipeline | cottus: Then use mandrake, sheesh. |
| 00:02.53 | Guerin | cottus: you were lucky |
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| 00:02.57 | pintail | travisat: what google term to search on for the PATH thing? |
| 00:02.59 | cottus | pipeline> mdk 9.1 >9.2 >10.0 >10.1 |
| 00:03.01 | Jarn | pipeline: should I always use dist-upgrade? |
| 00:03.07 | pipeline | kingsley_: try vlc-plugin or mplayer-plugin |
| 00:03.13 | travisat | pintail: I don't know what your problem with path is |
| 00:03.13 | Guerin | cottus: mine broke going from 9.0 to 9.1, then I gave up |
| 00:03.14 | gravity | kingsley_: xmms can do it, as can rhythmbox. I'm sure other options are available |
| 00:03.15 | pipeline | Jarn: You can if you want. It won't hurt anything. |
| 00:03.20 | PocKeT | (Excuse my poor english) I have a problem with a device umount. When I mount a device and I open it with konqueror, when I close konqueror I can't umount this device. If I mount and umount it without open konkeror i don't have anu problem |
| 00:03.20 | cottus | Guerin> i have eleven computers running mandrake or debian, i upgraded all the systems, i wasnt 'lucky' |
| 00:03.24 | pipeline | kingsley_: If all else fails, you could install WMP |
| 00:03.26 | Jarn | pipeline: okay |
| 00:03.26 | karsten | Kerr: Chinese control panel? |
| 00:03.28 | PocKeT | i'm using debian sarge |
| 00:03.28 | the-erm | cottus: you urpmi mandrake? |
| 00:03.36 | cottus | the-erm> all the time |
| 00:03.44 | the-erm | I never tried that one. |
| 00:03.47 | cottus | jsut i have once went from sarge to sid with it |
| 00:03.50 | the-erm | Maybe next version I'll try it. |
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| 00:03.57 | cottus | but i prefer sarge, for my learning level in debian |
| 00:03.57 | pipeline | cottus: Mandrake is well known for its poor dependency tracking. I wouldn't want to try upgrading a Mandrake 6 or 7 machine to a modern mandrake. |
| 00:04.12 | Guerin | PocKeT: konqueror uses fam, I believe. This is a program which monitors the device. |
| 00:04.24 | Guerin | PocKeT: use umount -l, or don't use konqueror |
| 00:04.25 | pipeline | the-erm: If you're getting started, you definitely want Debian Sarge. Woody's packages are oooold. |
| 00:04.26 | pipeline | !d-i |
| 00:04.32 | Kerr | karsten: nope, cpanel asin cpanel.net |
| 00:04.34 | Guerin | dpkg is not working |
| 00:04.34 | pintail | travisat: well, I want to change my default path, for example to include ~/bin/. But I don't know where to do this |
| 00:04.35 | cottus | pipeline> well, i agree with you there, but then I wouldnt leapfrog upgrades anyway, I have had apt break a system too, i am not so convinced of it |
| 00:04.35 | the-erm | k |
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| 00:04.55 | pipeline | cottus: Hmm, I've done a lot of sick and disgusting things with apt. And I've never broken anything to the point at which repair was difficult. |
| 00:04.55 | PocKeT | Guerin, what file browser could I use? |
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| 00:05.00 | Guerin | cottus: 90% of apt's breakage problems are either bad packages or user error |
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| 00:05.02 | Kerr | I used ot run mandrake.. it was hell ~.~ |
| 00:05.07 | Guerin | PocKeT: /bin/bash |
| 00:05.07 | Kerr | to^ |
| 00:05.11 | kingsley_ | gravity: Can xmms process data streamed from a URL? |
| 00:05.15 | lakcaj | pintail, in .bashrc |
| 00:05.19 | Guerin | kingsley_: yes |
| 00:05.20 | pipeline | Guerin, cottus: The remaining 10% is hardware failure. |
| 00:05.21 | travisat | pintail: /etc/profile for all users |
| 00:05.34 | karsten | kingsley_: Yes. |
| 00:05.38 | Guerin | heh |
| 00:05.43 | PocKeT | Guerin, any other that run on X ¿ |
| 00:05.49 | Gertrude | Just apt-get'ed the kernel-source-2.6.10, added to grub etc.. It starts dumping a error saying modprobe /lib/modules/2.6.10/modules.dep no such file or directory. in lib/modules there is only the default sarge 2.6.8-1-i386. how do I get the uname -r version in /lib/modules/? |
| 00:05.52 | Guerin | PocKeT: gentoo is ok. |
| 00:05.58 | Kerr | pipeline: Are there any cpanel-equivalents, that are less dangerous? |
| 00:05.59 | PocKeT | xD |
| 00:06.00 | pipeline | PocKeT: rox-filer and nautilus are both very nice. |
| 00:06.00 | Guerin | PocKeT: the filemanager, not the distro |
| 00:06.03 | cottus | so apt is "perfect" give me a break, i can see why debian users get this reputation, especially this channel. I only hear gentoo users being so elitist |
| 00:06.12 | pipeline | Kerr: No, they're all equally awful, and I won't recommend one over the other. |
| 00:06.14 | Guerin | bah, naughtylus uses fam too, iirc |
| 00:06.19 | cottus | that said, i think debian is a great distro |
| 00:06.28 | pipeline | cottus: Apt is a world removed from portage or urpmi. urpmi is a running joke. |
| 00:06.36 | green_earz | PocKeT: do you open the drive from a desktop drive icon ? |
| 00:06.38 | gravity | kingsley_: Yes, although I'm going to have to look at how to do it exactly |
| 00:06.41 | cottus | and i personally love the relationship debian has with the world of the gpl and the eff |
| 00:06.47 | pipeline | cottus: There are mature package systems and there are immature ones. Apt and IRIX are in one bin. Urpmi and portage are in another. |
| 00:06.47 | PocKeT | yes green_earz |
| 00:06.48 | gravity | kingsley_: It can't do everything though, so it might not work for you |
| 00:06.57 | cottus | pipeline> well, worked fine for me for two years, no complaints. |
| 00:07.01 | pipeline | cottus: It's not as if there aren't other good package systems, urpmi just isn't one of them. |
| 00:07.09 | Guerin | cottus: no, apt isn't perfect - it's basically beta and it has an arcane ui. But it DOES work, and it IS reliable, and debian's packages are typically of a much higher quality than mandrake's. |
| 00:07.15 | RyanBonaparde | pipeline: Whenever I boot, it goes to the multi-boot menu. So, how would I go about doing what you wanted me to do? |
| 00:07.20 | PocKeT | green_earz, there are any problem with this ? |
| 00:07.25 | Undray | hello everyone! can somebody help me on installing some applications? i'm really new to linux and a little help would be awesome |
| 00:07.29 | pipeline | RyanBonaparde: You boot to the installer, and you get a "Boot:" prompt, right? |
| 00:07.37 | lakcaj | Undray, what are you trying to install? |
| 00:07.47 | binarydigit | Undray: apt-get is your friend |
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| 00:07.51 | RyanBonaparde | pipeline: Oh. Your talking about the installer. I have to reinstall Debian? |
| 00:07.53 | pipeline | RyanBonaparde: When you get that boot prompt, do "linux26 vga=771" to get 800x600x8, which will fit in the video memory. |
| 00:07.58 | pipeline | RyanBonaparde: I thought you said it won't boot? |
| 00:08.00 | green_earz | PocKeT: it may take a bit of getting use to. |
| 00:08.09 | Guerin | cottus: apart from anything else, .debs have a much finer level of package relationship control, virtual packages, depends, recommends, suggests, provides, conflicts, etc - whicvh means that even major version changes and forks of packages can be handled cleanly |
| 00:08.09 | Gnurdux | i just dl'ed a source package and i want to add a patch then rebuiold source and binary packages. any ideas? |
| 00:08.13 | ngd | any larswm users in here? |
| 00:08.15 | kingsley_ | Guerin & karsten: How? Alt + insert? |
| 00:08.18 | pipeline | Undray: Well, on Debian, you use apt to install everything. |
| 00:08.22 | cottus | Guerin> thats why i am running it |
| 00:08.25 | RyanBonaparde | pipeline: The GUI won't. |
| 00:08.30 | Guerin | kingsley_: ? |
| 00:08.33 | cottus | Guerin> but, i find its help not as good as others |
| 00:08.46 | pipeline | RyanBonaparde: "dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xfree86 && dexconf -o /etc/X11/XF86Config-4" |
| 00:08.46 | lakcaj | Undray, have you just installed debian? Have you used apt at all before? What is the problem? |
| 00:08.55 | grivell | !lvm |
| 00:08.57 | pipeline | RyanBonaparde: This time, choose a video mode that fits in less than 1M of RAM, until you fix that problem. |
| 00:08.59 | Guerin | cottus: i believe aptitude's documentation is superior |
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| 00:09.05 | kingsley_ | Guerin: How does one make xmms process data streamed from a URL? |
| 00:09.08 | grivell | err dpkg down? |
| 00:09.14 | Undray | i would like to install Mozilla Firefox for exampl. it is in a tar.gz archive |
| 00:09.24 | pipeline | Undray: A quick rundown: "apt-cache search <foo>" to find a package name, "apt-get remove <foo>" to remove it, "apt-get install <foo>" to install it. |
| 00:09.24 | Guerin | kingsley_: click "open url" and paste in the url. click "play" |
| 00:09.25 | lakcaj | Undray, no |
| 00:09.28 | binarydigit | Undray: use apt-get |
| 00:09.28 | Gnurdux | Undray |
| 00:09.29 | pipeline | Undray: You never, ever, ever install stuff you find on the internet. |
| 00:09.33 | lakcaj | Undray, you are using debian, correct? |
| 00:09.35 | Gnurdux | apt-get install mozilla-firefox |
| 00:09.38 | Undray | i just installed a couple of hours debian |
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| 00:09.50 | Gnurdux | apt-get install mozilla-firefox |
| 00:09.52 | Guerin | ~pkgmgmt |
| 00:09.53 | apt | somebody said pkgmgmt was package commands is Debian Package Management - Most Important Commands: http://sgeiger.mine.nu/docs/pkgmgmt.php or 'man apt-get'; 'man apt-cache', or apt-get install apt-dpkg-ref |
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| 00:10.05 | Gnurdux | Undray then you get fiefox |
| 00:10.08 | lakcaj | Undray, debian has teams of people that package those .tar.gz files up for you, so that you don't have to compile them yourself. |
| 00:10.09 | Undray | yes, i am using debian |
| 00:10.12 | cottus | Guerin> for instance defoma, first ten pages of google and google/linux, no defoma howto, the man page has exactly one panel of unhelpful information, and here i sit with fonts that i cant even find. I am not afraid of looking up information, its how i learn things, but when i cant find it i start to feel like why bother. So debian gets ugly fonts, whatever |
| 00:10.21 | ngd | does anyone know how long it will be until Xorg hits debian? |
| 00:10.21 | RyanBonaparde | pipeline: OKay. I'll try that. In the error message, it says that if my graphics card is newer than 12/11/01, I should update XFree86. But, I go to XFree86 and I get lost looking for the right files to download, do you think I need to download it? |
| 00:10.25 | pipeline | cottus: That's PEBKAC, bud. |
| 00:10.28 | Undray | ok, lakcaj |
| 00:10.30 | Gnurdux | i just dl'ed a source package and i want to add a patch then rebuiold source and binary packages. any ideas? |
| 00:10.35 | binarydigit | ngd: look at the topic |
| 00:10.36 | ngd | at the moment I'm pinning my distro to use Ubuntu archives for X |
| 00:10.36 | green_earz | kingsley_: check out streamtuner |
| 00:10.37 | Guerin | cottus: I've never had that problem. What'd you do? |
| 00:10.37 | pipeline | RyanBonaparde: No, use the packages provided by Debian. |
| 00:10.46 | cafuego | yay, master bugfixer |
| 00:10.47 | Undray | so what do i have to do with the archive now to start using firefox? |
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| 00:10.52 | cafuego | @lart va_arg |
| 00:10.55 | Gnurdux | see, i want to add brickos usb patch to brickos package |
| 00:10.59 | binarydigit | Undray: did you read what everyone just wrote to you |
| 00:11.00 | grivell | ~fonts |
| 00:11.01 | apt | fonts is, like, check http://www.nwalsh.com/comp.fonts/FAQ/ for general info, http://www.paulandlesley.org/linux/xfree4_tt.html for installing packaged as well as not packaged truetype fonts, http://www.kegel.com/linux/tt.html and http://www.linux-mag.com/2000-02/guru_01.html and you can get the MS core fonts from http://corefonts.sourceforge.net/ now |
| 00:11.01 | Guerin | cottus: and yeah, nobody ever claimed debian's (or any gnu/linux's) documentation was the best in the world |
| 00:11.05 | cottus | Guerin> i have like ten ugly default fonts, and i have apt-getted several other font packages, cant seem to get at them |
| 00:11.06 | Gnurdux | i apt-getted the source package and build deps |
| 00:11.13 | Undray | i did |
| 00:11.16 | Gnurdux | and now i need to edit and rebuild? |
| 00:11.16 | Guerin | apt-got |
| 00:11.17 | Gnurdux | how? |
| 00:11.21 | Guerin | please, think of the grammar |
| 00:11.22 | cottus | hehe |
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| 00:11.30 | binarydigit | Undray: so did you use apt-get install |
| 00:11.34 | cottus | see this is what i mean about this channel |
| 00:11.36 | cottus | forget it |
| 00:11.39 | Gnurdux | Guerin are u talkin to me? |
| 00:11.40 | Guerin | cottus: the fonts aren't showing in xfontsel? |
| 00:11.41 | cottus | lol |
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| 00:11.50 | Guerin | Gnurdux: yes i r |
| 00:11.50 | pipeline | cottus: You're rude, you're insulting, and you expect us to treat you with kid gloves? :P |
| 00:11.52 | Undray | i didn't use it yet |
| 00:11.54 | RyanBonaparde | pipeline: Thanks! |
| 00:11.55 | Gnurdux | Guerin can you helo me? |
| 00:12.03 | cottus | pipeline> i didnt trash your distro of choice |
| 00:12.04 | Guerin | Gnurdux: helo Gnurdux |
| 00:12.05 | cottus | you did |
| 00:12.09 | PocKeT | green_earz, how can I browse a device in X without problems? xD |
| 00:12.11 | Gnurdux | help |
| 00:12.13 | cottus | hehe, but you did help me, and i do appreciuate it |
| 00:12.13 | Gnurdux | sorry |
| 00:12.25 | deja_vu | hi, i'm trying to use a bootsplash on a 1280x1024 display but i keep getting "silentjpeg [...] doesn't fit into framebuffer". the verbose mode works... any ideas how to fix that? :> |
| 00:12.25 | Gnurdux | so what do i do? |
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| 00:12.35 | pipeline | cottus: You will note that this is not #mandrake. I reserve the right to trash distributions that I consider to be crap. Those being Mandrake and Gentoo. |
| 00:12.38 | yoo | where can i find old NVIDIA-Linux-x86......-pkg1.run drivers for debian sid please ? |
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| 00:12.46 | Guerin | Gnurdux: wth is brickos? |
| 00:12.48 | Gnurdux | pipeline i agree |
| 00:12.50 | yoo | debian.sysnet a thing like that ............... |
| 00:12.50 | Gnurdux | it is |
| 00:12.58 | Gnurdux | an os for the lego rcx |
| 00:13.00 | pipeline | yoo: Install the packages from debian, not the nvidia.com downloads |
| 00:13.01 | Gnurdux | a robotics tool |
| 00:13.05 | Guerin | oh |
| 00:13.09 | Guerin | no idea, sorry |
| 00:13.14 | Gnurdux | but by default |
| 00:13.14 | cottus | pipeline> fine. Im a little more agnostic |
| 00:13.15 | yoo | i want an old drivers |
| 00:13.23 | Gnurdux | it only works for old serial towers |
| 00:13.27 | Gnurdux | there is a usbh tower patch |
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| 00:13.30 | pintail | lakcaj: I added it to .bashrc: this works for a terminal and konsole; but not for X (I restarted X) |
| 00:13.34 | yoo | a site exist |
| 00:13.36 | pipeline | cottus: I have had more experience with mandrake and gentoo than I would like to have had. |
| 00:13.37 | Gnurdux | and i want to apply it |
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| 00:13.41 | pipeline | cottus: I know and I do not like. |
| 00:13.42 | yoo | i don't remenber |
| 00:13.42 | Gnurdux | and build a new package |
| 00:13.44 | Gnurdux | damn g2g |
| 00:13.44 | BrutusLinux | what do I need to install for server-status to work on apache2? |
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| 00:14.13 | pipeline | cottus: Agnosticism is an admitted ignorance of direct contact with deity; we've perverted that term all to shit, 'aven't we :P |
| 00:14.24 | green_earz | PocKeT: from the desktop icon mount the drive and the use konquor to the drives path. but just clicking the icon should do all that |
| 00:14.27 | pipeline | yoo: Old drivers? you could try snapshot.debian.net, but that is highly inadvisable. |
| 00:14.32 | pipeline | yoo: Why do you need old drivers? |
| 00:14.33 | yoo | yes |
| 00:14.43 | yoo | thank |
| 00:14.57 | pipeline | yoo: Be very, very, very careful with the snapshot.debian.net packages. You can really hose your system. |
| 00:15.13 | yoo | because X crash with new driver |
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| 00:15.23 | yoo | i can lose anything |
| 00:15.29 | yoo | i don't have 3D |
| 00:15.34 | pingouin_ | is there a way to patch the nvidia driver from apt with patch from nvnews ? |
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| 00:15.40 | pipeline | yoo: I don't understand |
| 00:15.44 | user01 | Here`s a problem I have: I have a primary IDE channel hooked up with a DVD-RW CD-RW, and a new hard drive hooked up to ultra 100 primary IDE. bios doesn`t detect it but ultra100 does but the bios detects it when i put it on the regular 2nd IDE channel...diagnosis anyone? |
| 00:15.50 | pipeline | pingouin_: The patch is probably already applied -- nvidia drivers get updated a lot in unstable. |
| 00:15.53 | imnes | Can someone send me a clean default sources.list from debian sarge? |
| 00:16.00 | pipeline | yoo: You're using the packages from 'sid', right? |
| 00:16.03 | pipeline | imnes: Just run apt-setup |
| 00:16.04 | cafuego | imnes: 'apt-setup' |
| 00:16.05 | yoo | my drivers bvidia cause error kernel |
| 00:16.09 | cottus | agnostic in that as much as i mess with various linux distros, i find facets of them all i like... I think debian and mandrake are the two best i came across. and of the two, i would say that what debian does with quality and being a tight ship, mandrake is just more fun. so i install them both on every machine |
| 00:16.14 | yoo | yes |
| 00:16.15 | yoo | <PROTECTED> |
| 00:16.20 | pipeline | yoo: That's not going to be fixed by old drivers |
| 00:16.23 | pipeline | yoo: Try to be more specific |
| 00:16.27 | imnes | Well I'm not running it on my system, trying to prepare a network boot image. |
| 00:16.35 | valdyn | pingouin_: sure, just patch the source in /usr/src/modules/ |
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| 00:16.37 | pipeline | cottus: I suspect that you will learn to hate mandrake. |
| 00:16.45 | war- | help, is there mono-packages or a debian reposityory for MONO ?/ > * Mono Runtime 1.0.6 > (http://www.go-mono.com/archive/1.0.6/mono-1.0.6.tar.gz) |
| 00:16.49 | cafuego | imnes: backup yours, run apt-setup, copy it. |
| 00:16.49 | cottus | i program my microcontrollers in debian and mandrake, so i make identical development platforms on each |
| 00:16.50 | pingouin_ | pipeline: i've tried it fews days ago and had poor fps in ut2k4, now i see the nvnews forum with patch |
| 00:16.54 | pingouin_ | valdyn: thx |
| 00:17.01 | cafuego | !info mono sarge |
| 00:17.08 | imnes | cafuego: thanks :) |
| 00:17.10 | cafuego | @info mono sarge |
| 00:17.18 | pipeline | dpkg is down again :( |
| 00:17.18 | valdyn | pingouin_: oh, i think that will not be usefull if you use module-assistant.. |
| 00:17.19 | pintail | travisat: I added it to .bashrc: this works for a terminal and konsole; but not for X (I restarted X). /etc/profile is too global, I want to change per-user |
| 00:17.26 | yoo | pipeline : look on #flood |
| 00:17.28 | valdyn | cd /usr/src/modass/ |
| 00:17.29 | valdyn | ls |
| 00:17.32 | green_earz | user01: have a look at the master and slave setting. may be the problem ? |
| 00:17.34 | valdyn | ops |
| 00:17.34 | cafuego | valdyn: wrong window |
| 00:17.37 | pipeline | yoo: Post again. |
| 00:17.41 | cottus | pipeline> hasnt happened yet, three years. once i get apt-get down a little better, i will likely run debian more and more. but when i have problems, for me, they are harder to fix in debian than in mandrake. --my experience |
| 00:17.43 | pingouin_ | valdyn: i dont, i make-kpkg modules_image |
| 00:17.54 | user01 | green_earz: its set to cable select |
| 00:17.58 | imnes | Okay that didn't work, I'm on ubuntu and it seems to just pulled new ubuntu sources |
| 00:18.02 | pipeline | cottus: When in doubt, "apt-get -f install" |
| 00:18.05 | cottus | i really am impressed with how the sarge installed just aggregates a terrific install first-go |
| 00:18.05 | pipeline | imnes: #ubuntu |
| 00:18.13 | Guerin | imnes: why are you in #debian, not #ubuntu? |
| 00:18.18 | cafuego | imnes: Ah yes. ubuntu won't know about sarge, eh? |
| 00:18.20 | imnes | I need sources.list for a debian system |
| 00:18.25 | Guerin | imnes: do you go to ford with your mazda problems? |
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| 00:18.33 | cafuego | Guerin: Sssh. |
| 00:18.35 | cottus | and debian seems alot more tightly configured, it runs faster on my older hardware. |
| 00:18.38 | imnes | I'm running Ubuntu but trying to install Sarge on another system. |
| 00:18.39 | PocKeT | green_earz, from the desktop icon mount the drive and the use konquor to the drives path. If I do that I obtain the same error message :s |
| 00:18.40 | Guerin | imnes: you can't just swap sources.list out and get debian, bud |
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| 00:19.00 | imnes | I have two different computers. I run ubuntu on mine, trying to net-install sarge on the other. |
| 00:19.04 | Guerin | oh |
| 00:19.06 | imnes | I need a sources.list for the sarge machine. |
| 00:19.08 | _kaz | how do I configure a static iP on a box that is set up for dhcp? |
| 00:19.11 | cafuego | @egg Guerin |
| 00:19.15 | _kaz | is there a gui or something? |
| 00:19.30 | travisat | inmes: err you should have one |
| 00:19.36 | yoo | kernel scheduling seem to do X crash |
| 00:19.44 | green_earz | user01: set then as master and slave as you need them. the cable select setup may be the problem |
| 00:19.47 | yoo | simpson kernel: scheduling while atomic: XFree86/0x00000001/5491 |
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| 00:19.57 | Guerin | deb http://ftp.kr.debian.org/debian/ testing main |
| 00:20.08 | cafuego | yoo: Yes. nvidia broke the driver. it happens. Did you email them yet? |
| 00:20.15 | Guerin | imnes: ↑ # sub kr for your country code |
| 00:20.17 | user01 | green_earz: dvdrw and cdrw drives too? |
| 00:20.23 | imnes | Used the debootstrap script to setup the initial environment for netboot but instructions in there say to setup a sources.list, it doesn't include one. |
| 00:20.23 | pipeline | yoo: One place you can get old driver packages that is reliable is people.debian.org/~rdonald |
| 00:20.30 | cafuego | has ravenbird died too now? |
| 00:20.32 | imnes | thanks |
| 00:20.32 | pipeline | yoo: I would try his packages before dealing with snapshot.debian.org |
| 00:20.33 | cafuego | ~test |
| 00:20.34 | apt | Test Failed! |
| 00:20.38 | cafuego | @test |
| 00:20.42 | ravenbird | cafuego: grrr, what do *you* want? |
| 00:20.43 | yoo | i ok |
| 00:20.49 | war- | Anyone know of a Debian repository for MONO? |
| 00:20.54 | cafuego | ravenbird: A damn answer to my question from 10 minutes ago. |
| 00:20.55 | ravenbird | cafuego: I don't know, could you explain it? |
| 00:20.57 | Guerin | war-: google knows |
| 00:20.58 | gravity | war-: mono is in Debian unstable |
| 00:20.59 | pipeline | war-: there are unstable packages |
| 00:21.04 | yoo | cafuego : i will go send a mail |
| 00:21.09 | simonrvn | cafuego: nah, just overloaded right now |
| 00:21.13 | yoo | nv |
| 00:21.19 | war- | ah |
| 00:21.23 | pipeline | war-: Use careful pinning to add unstable sources to your sources.list |
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| 00:21.41 | pipeline | war-: http://jaqque.sbih.org/kplug/apt-pinning.html |
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| 00:21.51 | pipeline | war-: You want to install mono and dependencies from unstable, but leave the rest of your system sarge |
| 00:22.12 | green_earz | user01: have the burners on one ide slave master and the hard drive master on the other, so you do not get a bottle neck |
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| 00:22.30 | pipeline | war-: beware that "apt-get -t unstable install mono-mcs" isn't the same as "apt-get install unstable/mono-mcs" |
| 00:22.39 | travisat | war-: add the sid sources to your sources.list, but pin sarge sources higher than sid |
| 00:22.48 | pipeline | war-: the former will fill dependencies with unstable packages, the latter will try to pound mono-mcs with sarge dependencies. |
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| 00:24.27 | Topclass | hi does anyone know if its possible to get the netinstall to work with a centrino wireless network? |
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| 00:25.06 | war- | pipeline: any kidea when they'll be in sarge? |
| 00:25.38 | yoo | http://people.debian.org/~rdonald =====> Unofficial Package Repository |
| 00:25.47 | cafuego | Topclass: only if you have a driver for that centrino chip. Thsoe are NOT in the kernel as of yet, so you'd need a floppy. |
| 00:26.09 | Topclass | bit of a problem there cos the laptop has no floppy drive :( |
| 00:26.17 | yoo | so i modifie my source.list and update and upgrade |
| 00:26.19 | cafuego | Topclass: usb key then |
| 00:26.26 | pipeline | war-: They probably won't be in sarge if they're not now. Consult the mailing lists. |
| 00:26.33 | yoo | is it true pipeline ? |
| 00:26.36 | Topclass | hmm i have a mp3 player that can act as a drive would that do? |
| 00:26.49 | pipeline | war-: I'd rather they actually released sarge rather than holding it for every damn whizbang gadget thing. |
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| 00:27.00 | yoo | #use this source line for unstable drivers |
| 00:27.02 | cafuego | yoo: For the twentieth and last time: the 'nvidia' module is making your system crash. Changing to Xorg is NOT going to change that! |
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| 00:27.18 | pipeline | yoo: Yes, but you can just dowmnload and install the packages with dpkg, which will be easier in this case |
| 00:27.21 | yoo | deb http://people.debian.org/~rdonald/nvidia unstable/i386/ |
| 00:27.30 | pipeline | cafuego: He's talking about 6629 drivers |
| 00:27.32 | cafuego | yoo: Ah, never mind :-) |
| 00:27.48 | pipeline | yoo: Since you're downgrading, I would just install the packages by hand and pin them in synaptic |
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| 00:27.50 | yoo | :) |
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| 00:27.54 | Topclass | right anyone know where i can get this centrino driver? even better would be some advice on how to get it working with the installer |
| 00:27.55 | valdyn | yoo: on what kernel are you trying to get that driver to run? |
| 00:28.16 | _raf256 | how can I output a man page to a text file, like man foobar > foobar.txt but without stgrange formating characters ^HH |
| 00:28.21 | yoo | 2.6.10 |
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| 00:29.39 | war- | k, thanks |
| 00:29.58 | valdyn | yoo: look into the debian packages and www.nvnews.net's linux forum, iirc neither plain debian package nor plain nvidia drivers < 7x.xx will run on it |
| 00:30.38 | travisat | _raf256: man -7 foo > foo.txt |
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| 00:32.29 | _raf256 | travisat: it didnt worked |
| 00:32.50 | C17H21NO4 | _raf256: man foo | col -bx > foo.txt |
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| 00:33.04 | lakcaj | If someone uses the knoppix install (I didn't, trying to help someone who did), is it woody, sarge, or sid? |
| 00:33.17 | _raf256 | it worked \o/ |
| 00:33.18 | _raf256 | thnx |
| 00:33.20 | Guerin | lakcaj: none of the above |
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| 00:33.31 | lakcaj | Guerin, hrmm.... thanks. |
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| 00:39.45 | meff | what do i use to send absolutely all output of a program to null? |
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| 00:40.06 | FieldySnuts | 1> /dev/null 2> /dev/null |
| 00:40.11 | FieldySnuts | there's a shorter way but I can never remember it |
| 00:40.22 | Gnurdux | back |
| 00:40.22 | caphuso | > /dev/null 2>&1 |
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| 00:40.36 | caphuso | or, with a reasonably enhanced shell, &> /dev/null |
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| 00:41.07 | Gnurdux | anyoen know how to take a source package, patch it, and build a new binary package? |
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| 00:42.46 | caphuso | Gnurdux: in a very small nutshell: apt-get source foo; cd foo-X.Y; patch < foo.diff; fakeroot debian/rules binary |
| 00:43.02 | Gnurdux | fakeroot? |
| 00:43.11 | Gnurdux | i did the apt get alread |
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| 00:43.16 | PocKeT | thx all, byezzzzzzz |
| 00:43.18 | Gnurdux | and the installed the source deps |
| 00:43.24 | meff | caphuso: using > /dev/null 2>&1 it still shows the top of mpg321 output |
| 00:43.31 | indes | I installed 2.6 and my machine is running slow as hell.... I did the hdparm... |
| 00:43.39 | Gnurdux | fakeroot: command not found |
| 00:43.48 | FieldySnuts | @lart Gnurdux |
| 00:44.01 | Gnurdux | what did i do? |
| 00:44.03 | spectre__ | is there a channel specifically related to packing software for debian? |
| 00:44.10 | Gnurdux | is there? |
| 00:44.10 | caphuso | meff: what shell are you using? |
| 00:44.15 | gravity | spectre__: I think #debian-mentors exists still |
| 00:44.20 | gravity | spectre__: Do you have a specific question? |
| 00:44.21 | Gnurdux | doesnt say in the tpic> |
| 00:44.40 | Gnurdux | hey thaats useful for me too |
| 00:44.41 | Gnurdux | yay |
| 00:44.46 | Gnurdux | thnx |
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| 00:44.53 | spectre__ | gravity, not yet ;) |
| 00:45.01 | spectre__ | but i'm just tagging a release of my library |
| 00:45.05 | spectre__ | and am going to try and package it |
| 00:45.16 | bob2 | libraries are hard |
| 00:45.24 | bob2 | make sure you understand versioning |
| 00:45.56 | bob2 | and if it's new, start off with versioned symbols |
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| 00:46.13 | spectre__ | bob2, is there a compile option to gcc for versionned symbols? |
| 00:46.26 | gravity | spectre__: Listen to bob2. He speaks very sage wisdom. shlibs are very hard. |
| 00:47.04 | Sero | Has anybody in here used Penggy? |
| 00:47.28 | spectre__ | hmm, |
| 00:47.38 | _kaz | how do I configure a static iP on a box that is set up for dhcp? |
| 00:47.44 | spectre__ | well, i'd like my library packaged for debian |
| 00:47.47 | gravity | spectre__: Basically, if you change your abi at all, you need to bump your soname |
| 00:47.48 | Guerin | _kaz: man interfaces |
| 00:47.52 | spectre__ | and i don't think anyone else is going to do it |
| 00:48.03 | spectre__ | on account of it being quite specialised |
| 00:48.23 | bob2 | spectre__: http://www.netfort.gr.jp/~dancer/column/libpkg-guide/libpkg-guide.html |
| 00:48.27 | spectre__ | thanks |
| 00:48.28 | Guerin | wow, combined total of over 500 spam from my three accounts that I hardly ever use |
| 00:48.53 | bob2 | spectre__: if it's a bit obscure, it might be worth only making it available as a |
| 00:48.54 | gravity | spectre__: Google shlibs and soname. You should be able to find the info you need. There's also a Debian guide to packaging shared libraries that you want to read |
| 00:48.58 | bob2 | staic library for now |
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| 00:49.16 | sched | somebody uses qemu? |
| 00:49.29 | ysothoth | sched - I did once. |
| 00:49.39 | gravity | I've used it a few months back |
| 00:49.51 | spectre__ | ooh, i thought of a question |
| 00:49.59 | spectre__ | my library is for automatic language recognition |
| 00:50.05 | arestheimpaler | is the dpkg bot not working today or what? |
| 00:50.12 | spectre__ | for that it needs a load of models |
| 00:50.17 | spectre__ | should these be packaged with the library |
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| 00:50.21 | spectre__ | or should i make a new package |
| 00:50.26 | spectre__ | something like libtongues-data |
| 00:50.26 | spectre__ | ? |
| 00:50.43 | gravity | spectre__: That depends on you and what you feel. I'd just keep them together in one package |
| 00:50.53 | spectre__ | ok |
| 00:50.54 | gravity | spectre__: Unless you plan to be updating them separately a lot and need that separation |
| 00:51.15 | spectre__ | i don't plan to be updating them a lot |
| 00:51.24 | spectre__ | once i have one that works chances are i'll stick with it |
| 00:52.39 | Golf_ | Is there something different with setting up php4 on apache these day's? Did a lamp install and when I am doing test with index.php with <?php phpinfo(); ?> in it I can't get it... |
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| 00:53.14 | Golf_ | I get a stupid download this file box when I open the browser to the machine... |
| 00:53.15 | sched | yonkeltron, because well I use qemu the keys change |
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| 00:54.50 | travisat | Golf_: sounds like somehting wrong with apache, or you aren't loading the file right |
| 00:54.59 | sched | yonkeltron, if I press A in the screen print U .. :( |
| 00:55.00 | spectre__ | gravity, bob2: is there anything i should do to my lib before tagging it to make it more debianisable? |
| 00:55.10 | spectre__ | feel free to tell me to rtfm ;) |
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| 00:56.34 | Golf_ | travisat, yea, I looked at the includes in httpd.conf and removed the # before the .php lines, but I shoulden't have to do that sinds they also have a special file in the /etc/apache/conf.d dir... |
| 00:56.38 | gravity | spectre__: Find that guide to packaging shared libraries in Debian. |
| 00:56.43 | gravity | spectre__: Read that. It's got tons of info. |
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| 00:56.55 | RyanBonaparde | Does anyone know where I can find the bus type and the hexidecimal code for the bus, device, and function for a Dell Insprion 1100? |
| 00:57.35 | travisat | Golf_: are you loading the file directly or through the server |
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| 00:57.38 | bob2 | spectre__: I can't think of anything obvious that's not in there |
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| 00:58.00 | spectre__ | gravity, bob2 ok thanks guys :> |
| 00:58.25 | Golf_ | travisat, I loaded the file like a normal website, so: http://someip/ |
| 00:58.33 | procyon | hello i am trying to install sarge and i get an error about missing kernel modules |
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| 00:59.26 | Golf_ | travisat, I used Firefox and IE6 to try |
| 00:59.31 | travisat | on the machine have you loaded localhost/index.php |
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| 00:59.59 | c4_ | where are the non-official xorg pachages? |
| 01:00.09 | Golf_ | travisat, lol, when I do http://someip/index.php, it does get it.... |
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| 01:00.59 | Golf_ | travisat, something is wrong with the detection of the default load stuff |
| 01:01.17 | travisat | Golf_: yep, dunno what though |
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| 01:01.44 | Golf_ | travisat, me neather, .php was added automagicly via the php4 install... |
| 01:01.54 | Golf_ | brb, going to check it once more |
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| 01:02.13 | gsling2003 | hello!peng you! |
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| 01:03.53 | gsling2003 | ? |
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| 01:04.51 | gsling2003 | who |
| 01:05.04 | revelater | hello |
| 01:05.12 | gsling2003 | HI |
| 01:05.16 | Golf_ | travisat, well, moved it to the front of the line @ mod_dir.c and now it works :-) |
| 01:05.26 | Golf_ | travisat, thanks for the help :-) |
| 01:05.27 | travisat | Golf_: good :) |
| 01:05.34 | revelater | i need some help guys... |
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| 01:05.55 | Golf_ | travisat, still, wierd that it didn't do it right with it at the end of the line... |
| 01:05.58 | juan_ | http://www.linuks.mine.nu/debian-faq-wiki/ gay stuff on da page |
| 01:06.32 | revelater | i have tried everything but i cann't get kde to work. |
| 01:06.36 | travisat | Golf_: hmm works right on mine with no changes |
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| 01:07.05 | revelater | yah, and i installed debian on another comp and it worked fine also |
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| 01:07.31 | Golf_ | travisat, well, it doesn't matter, currently doing a school assignment so it just has to work for like two days... |
| 01:08.05 | Golf_ | travisat, they give us Fedora by default, but me is a Debian man :-) |
| 01:08.15 | revelater | debian=good |
| 01:09.15 | Golf_ | travisat, going on to the next part of the assingment.... :-( getting a diskless client running for the machine... |
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| 01:09.46 | revelater | anyone here able to help with KDE?? |
| 01:09.56 | Guerin | #debian-kde |
| 01:10.04 | revelater | ahh |
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| 01:11.04 | gsling2003 | Everybody is good |
| 01:11.15 | gsling2003 | I have a small problem. |
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| 01:12.10 | gsling2003 | One that is about windows |
| 01:12.18 | compguy | hello |
| 01:12.24 | revelater | #debian-kde |
| 01:12.28 | revelater | lol |
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| 01:12.46 | revelater | how do i get there... i am new to irc |
| 01:12.57 | revelater | using xchat |
| 01:13.37 | compguy | /join #debian-kde |
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| 01:13.51 | gsling2003 | I go to wash the face, you have a chat |
| 01:14.06 | revelater | thanks |
| 01:14.23 | compguy | np |
| 01:14.50 | Sero | Does anyone in here know how to make gterm start up borderless in gnome? |
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| 01:16.52 | Gnurdux | hey can someone help me remove packages? |
| 01:17.31 | Gnurdux | im trying to remove the deps taht were installed at the same time and its horrible and i need someone to help me fih=gure out what packages to remove and what not to |
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| 01:17.57 | karsten | Gnurdux: aptitude remove <package> |
| 01:18.14 | Gnurdux | what aptitude can fix that> |
| 01:18.16 | karsten | Gnurdux: Your package management system works out the deps for you. |
| 01:18.16 | Gnurdux | oh thnx |
| 01:18.22 | Gnurdux | remove deps? |
| 01:18.23 | Gnurdux | wheq |
| 01:18.25 | Gnurdux | whew |
| 01:18.33 | karsten | ~tell Gnurdux about enter |
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| 01:19.20 | Gnurdux | it only removes one package |
| 01:19.26 | Gnurdux | i want to remove |
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| 01:19.37 | Gnurdux | deps that were installed at the same ttime |
| 01:19.38 | Jarn | is there a arts-compatible media player than can play wma? |
| 01:19.43 | FieldySnuts | @stfu Gnurdux |
| 01:19.46 | ravenbird | SHUT THE FUCK UP Gnurdux! |
| 01:20.08 | Gnurdux | but i have a prob |
| 01:20.21 | compguy | if I got rid of my bootloader, could I install one again without reinstalling the whole system? |
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| 01:20.30 | Gnurdux | compguy sure |
| 01:20.30 | C17H21NO4 | compguy: yes |
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| 01:20.39 | Gnurdux | hey ok |
| 01:20.43 | rbaker | can I use debian mirrors to update unbuntu? |
| 01:20.43 | compguy | good... is it complicated? |
| 01:20.55 | FieldySnuts | rbaker: i really doubt it, but you're asking the wrong chan anyway |
| 01:20.59 | C17H21NO4 | compguy: no |
| 01:21.08 | Gnurdux | is jade installed by default? |
| 01:21.08 | rbaker | FieldySnuts, what is the right channel? |
| 01:21.16 | mwilson | rbaker: Why would you want to? |
| 01:21.19 | Gnurdux | or openjade? |
| 01:21.20 | FieldySnuts | rbaker: #ubuntu I'm guessing, I don't know i'm guessing |
| 01:21.27 | FieldySnuts | oo i guess i was guessing. |
| 01:21.32 | rbaker | no one is in that channel. |
| 01:21.35 | FieldySnuts | long day :( |
| 01:21.41 | FieldySnuts | right, so that's our problem. we know the drill. yada yada. |
| 01:21.42 | rbaker | I cannot get apt-get to work with unbuntu |
| 01:21.49 | Gnurdux | #ubuntu rbaker |
| 01:21.51 | Gnurdux | bye |
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| 01:21.55 | gravity | rbaker: You are in the wrong channel |
| 01:21.55 | karsten | Gnurdux: What packages do you want to remove? |
| 01:21.57 | mwilson | "cannot"? |
| 01:22.07 | Gnurdux | sgmltools-lite |
| 01:22.18 | Gnurdux | and doxygen |
| 01:22.26 | compguy | I have a dualboot windows/debian and I'll need to reinstall windows which I'm pretty sure will clean out my MBR too :-\ |
| 01:22.28 | Gnurdux | and all the deps that were installed with em |
| 01:22.36 | Gnurdux | oh well |
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| 01:22.36 | FieldySnuts | yep, it will |
| 01:22.37 | karsten | Gnurdux: aptitude remove sgmltools-lite doxygen |
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| 01:22.57 | Gnurdux | karsten NO it doesnt remove the deps that were install with em i tried that |
| 01:23.00 | karsten | Gnurdux: If the deps aren't required by other packages, they should be removed. If they're not, deborphan will note them. |
| 01:23.09 | karsten | Gnurdux: Patience, grasshopper. |
| 01:23.12 | rbaker | no one is in #unbuntu you freaks |
| 01:23.23 | FieldySnuts | rbaker: which we don't care about, this is #debian |
| 01:23.24 | Gnurdux | #ubuntu |
| 01:23.27 | karsten | rbaker: Sounds like that's your problem. |
| 01:23.29 | Gnurdux | not unbunty |
| 01:23.35 | rbaker | and unbuntu is debian with a nice desktop. |
| 01:23.37 | FieldySnuts | damn annoying ubuntu users |
| 01:23.40 | FieldySnuts | @fuck rbaker |
| 01:23.43 | karsten | !ops ubuntu user rbaker |
| 01:23.47 | abrotman | rbaker: no it's not |
| 01:23.48 | karsten | ~ops ubuntu user rbaker |
| 01:23.49 | C17H21NO4 | compguy: Just boot your debian disc after your done and type expert. It will let you reinstall the bootloader |
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| 01:24.00 | abrotman | rbaker: ubuntu is ubuntu .. please join #ubuntu |
| 01:24.01 | FieldySnuts | oh i can't agree with that calling for an ops action |
| 01:24.12 | FieldySnuts | just put the little shit(s) on ignore |
| 01:24.13 | Lampshade | is there anything I have to do besides iptables-save for my firewall rules to be there after restart? |
| 01:24.21 | rbaker | freaks |
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| 01:24.27 | karsten | FieldySnuts: That's for the ops to decide. |
| 01:24.37 | FieldySnuts | another ubuntu user showing the qualities of their group. |
| 01:24.47 | FieldySnuts | round of applause? |
| 01:24.48 | travisat | of course there is nobody on unbuntu, its ubuntu |
| 01:24.59 | nostalg1c | uh, troll ppl? |
| 01:25.00 | Gnurdux | ah i dont have deborphan |
| 01:25.03 | abrotman | !clap |
| 01:25.05 | FieldySnuts | i think i told him the possible chan, misspelt, i didn't intend to, i just didn't know |
| 01:25.06 | Gnurdux | apt-getiinf it now |
| 01:25.07 | abrotman | install it |
| 01:25.08 | karsten | Gnurdux: Instaall it. |
| 01:25.08 | bob2 | can you guys not be utter cocks, please? |
| 01:25.16 | bob2 | as much as rbaker was being annoying/stupid. |
| 01:25.21 | FieldySnuts | ok |
| 01:25.44 | mjust1priate | ladies and gentlemen. I ran into an extremely bizzare situation. I was doing a cd rip w/ grip, and an encode w/lame. All of the sudden my scsi hard drive started shoing that it was creeping towards capacity. It started at 17% free, and quickly balloned to 100%. Now one cd of songs is no where near enough to take up 5 gigs of space. Any thoughts? |
| 01:25.46 | mwilson | Huh, did the Unbuntubies move their channel? |
| 01:25.48 | FieldySnuts | or to eat one |
| 01:26.07 | mjust1priate | check that 17% use, then 100% use |
| 01:26.13 | mwilson | "any thoughts"? |
| 01:26.23 | Gnurdux | is doxygem omstalled by default |
| 01:26.25 | mwilson | Gods, how do these people exist in the real world? |
| 01:26.27 | FieldySnuts | bad disc, try another |
| 01:26.30 | FieldySnuts | mwilson: they don't. |
| 01:26.30 | compguy | how would I put back my bootloader when I wipe it out? |
| 01:26.41 | mjust1priate | thoughts as to what would cause that. I checked my loags and /var/log/messages ...nothing. |
| 01:26.42 | bob2 | Gnurdux: no |
| 01:26.54 | bob2 | compguy: rerun grub-install or lilo. |
| 01:26.56 | FieldySnuts | mjust1priate: i would think a faulty disc, try another |
| 01:27.10 | karsten | mjust1priate: 'df' to show free space. 'du' to track it down. Or for funky-cool graphical goodness, aptitude install filelight. |
| 01:27.19 | mjust1priate | that was my initial thought. but it all checked out. |
| 01:27.19 | FieldySnuts | mm filelight |
| 01:27.19 | Gnurdux | doxygen |
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| 01:27.23 | dodgyville | Hello |
| 01:27.24 | FieldySnuts | too bad it needs kde, but still nice |
| 01:27.30 | compguy | i could do that from knoppix or something? |
| 01:27.37 | karsten | mjust1priate: Should also prolly check lsof. |
| 01:27.38 | bob2 | compguy: yes |
| 01:27.43 | FieldySnuts | you could use a number of ways to chroot into your install then do it |
| 01:27.43 | compguy | cool :) |
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| 01:28.21 | Gnurdux | ok good |
| 01:28.31 | FieldySnuts | wangtek? |
| 01:28.43 | green_earz | mjust1priate: as the ripp gone where you think it gone ? |
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| 01:29.15 | Sero | Can anyone tell me anything good about Ubuntu cause all I'm getting from the site is, "We are a Linux distro, and are making ourselves sound very special, but aren't really." |
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| 01:29.23 | FieldySnuts | ask them, not us |
| 01:29.40 | FieldySnuts | and please, read the topic. save us and yourself a lot of hassle. |
| 01:29.44 | green_earz | mjust1priate: what dose df -h say |
| 01:29.44 | mjust1priate | green_earz Yeah. It all seemed fine. Cant figure it out. Maybe just some wierd 1 tima anal mommy |
| 01:30.03 | FieldySnuts | nevermind, it doesn't mention it any longer |
| 01:30.09 | fflush | Sero, the only thig we can tell you is ubunto is not debian |
| 01:30.10 | mjust1priate | after reboot all was fine |
| 01:30.16 | Sero | FieldySnuts, eheh not worth my time going into it any further, I don't use the distro. |
| 01:30.22 | bob2 | Sero: #ubuntu |
| 01:30.48 | thenuke | Sero: try it out. it's ok for newbie. google for good reviews about it, dont ask #debian.. |
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| 01:31.14 | dodgyville | I have a question that's really more about style than anything. What's a good convention for "versions". I'm thinking major.minor.bugfix ... |
| 01:31.23 | Sero | Yeah, I'll just stick with Debian. |
| 01:31.25 | mjust1priate | at first I thought maybe it was a bug in mountapp |
| 01:31.40 | mjust1priate | but the df -h showed the 100% cap too |
| 01:31.43 | mjust1priate | oh well |
| 01:32.06 | mjust1priate | just wondered if any one ever experienced this analmommy |
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| 01:32.19 | FieldySnuts | I once experienced an analdaddy |
| 01:32.24 | green_earz | mjust1priate: had a simuarl thing with copying a iso. it when to /tmp which hat its own partion, and soon got full |
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| 01:32.26 | FieldySnuts | at second read, that looks really bad |
| 01:32.35 | adamb100 | How does one disable USB Hotplugs? |
| 01:32.54 | thenuke | Sero: yup, I guess you have no reason to switch over if you are familiar with linux / debian |
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| 01:32.58 | bob2 | FieldySnuts: first, too |
| 01:33.01 | bob2 | adamb100: why? |
| 01:33.10 | just1primate | FieldySnuts Heh....nothing like those analmommies |
| 01:33.14 | green_earz | mjust1priate: sorry had not hat |
| 01:33.14 | FieldySnuts | er |
| 01:33.18 | adamb100 | bob2: Debian Hangs on USB Hotplugs |
| 01:33.40 | bob2 | adamb100: then fix that? |
| 01:34.05 | adamb100 | bob2: I dunno how to fix it :p |
| 01:34.22 | FieldySnuts | /etc/init.d/badgerd start |
| 01:34.35 | just1primate | sizewise, how do oggs compare to mp3 |
| 01:34.50 | FieldySnuts | just1primate: anywhere from somewhat smaller to considerably smaller for the same "apparent" quality |
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| 01:35.17 | just1primate | aye |
| 01:35.43 | FieldySnuts | i record 4 hours of low quality am radio every night. mp3, 24Kbps mono, would come out to about 56MB, these days I use ogg at -1 quality and it's 30 or 33 MB |
| 01:35.49 | FieldySnuts | and the ogg "sounds" better to me |
| 01:36.07 | FieldySnuts | dunno if that's a fair comparison, works for me |
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| 01:36.12 | just1primate | ty |
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| 01:36.30 | just1primate | I have heard the "rumors" of better quality |
| 01:36.32 | compguy | theres a certain 4 hour long radio show I'd like to rig up a nifty way to record every night |
| 01:36.45 | FieldySnuts | ogg certainly seems to be considerably less lossy |
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| 01:36.53 | bob2 | just1primate: for the same bitrate, vorbis is usually better sounding |
| 01:37.19 | FieldySnuts | anyway I prefer it over mp3 all the time |
| 01:37.53 | adamb100 | So how do I disable USB Hotplugs |
| 01:37.54 | just1primate | less filling..tastes great |
| 01:38.14 | tony | ok if i take over a abandoned package, will i actually get to learn from the previous maintainer ? |
| 01:38.25 | fbred | Hey! How do I disable the 3 second penalty when I submit wrong password in debian 3.0? (I still want it in sshconnections) |
| 01:38.35 | FieldySnuts | only drawback is some car radios will play mp3 off a cd, i'm not aware of any that do ogg. though I think Alpine is working on one :D |
| 01:39.19 | bob2 | tony: you mean "will the maintainer help you?"? |
| 01:39.24 | bob2 | tony: depends, you have to ask them |
| 01:39.37 | bob2 | tony: you can get help from the debian-mentors list, regardles, tho |
| 01:39.47 | bbrazil | fbred: I think there's a 'nodelay' thing in some pam modules. see /etc/pam.d/ssh and related PAM docs |
| 01:39.50 | mwilson | fbred: No, you always want it. |
| 01:39.55 | tony | bob2, nice i want to give it a try |
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| 01:40.33 | xR4Ndomx | How do I get to the gnome gui? |
| 01:40.55 | FieldySnuts | either select it in your *dm , or add gnome-session to ~/.xinitrc before you startdx |
| 01:40.58 | FieldySnuts | startx |
| 01:41.26 | FieldySnuts | you might want to read the man page for xinitrc (or was it startx?) , too |
| 01:41.33 | adamb100 | I take it no one knows how to disable hotplugs. :( |
| 01:41.39 | fbred | bbrazil, okey |
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| 01:41.49 | fbred | mwilson, the delay is nothing other than annoying |
| 01:42.03 | mwilson | fbred: Then don't enter the wrong password. |
| 01:42.15 | FieldySnuts | it's for your own good.... want me to spawn a connect loop and effectively perform a resource DoS on you? |
| 01:42.17 | mwilson | adamb100: There's a reason you don't just remove hotplug, then? |
| 01:42.29 | fbred | mwilson, it's not that easy |
| 01:42.38 | mwilson | fbred: Of course it is. |
| 01:42.45 | FieldySnuts | mwilson: remember, users know better than the devs. honestly! |
| 01:42.48 | mwilson | fbred: It's exactly that easy. |
| 01:43.14 | FieldySnuts | at least keep SOME delay on, say 1 second.. anything but 0. |
| 01:43.31 | adamb100 | mwilson: I'll need it though. I just want to disable it at start up. I can turn it on when I really need it |
| 01:43.38 | fbred | well, the best would be something like, 5 attempts with no delay, then 1 minute delay |
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| 01:43.55 | FieldySnuts | heh. can I have a block of ip's with systems you administer? |
| 01:44.05 | mwilson | No, the best thing would be for you to stop trying to crack whatever box you're trying to crack. |
| 01:44.13 | FieldySnuts | ahh, insightful |
| 01:44.28 | just1primate | FieldySnuts: fingered it out... tunrs out to be a reporting bug in grip. Something with the encode and delete process |
| 01:44.31 | fbred | mwilson, idiot |
| 01:44.37 | FieldySnuts | fbred: heh. |
| 01:44.54 | FieldySnuts | fbred: what's wrong, too close to home? |
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| 01:45.25 | fbred | what? |
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| 01:45.35 | FieldySnuts | heh. nevermind... |
| 01:45.54 | mwilson | FieldySnuts: Seems rather obvious. |
| 01:46.05 | just1primate | oooh does fbred fancy himself a h4ck3r |
| 01:46.32 | fbred | how did I suddenly become a cracker/hacker/whatever? |
| 01:46.43 | FieldySnuts | clues |
| 01:46.46 | fbred | I asked a honest question |
| 01:46.56 | adamb100 | Is there anyway to disable Hotplugs from start up. I don't want to remove it |
| 01:47.02 | FieldySnuts | the question was honest, we just doubt the motives |
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| 01:47.34 | fbred | oh sure, think about it again |
| 01:47.42 | FieldySnuts | nah. too hard :) |
| 01:48.18 | fbred | my motive is lazyness, it's the only logical thing |
| 01:48.22 | mwilson | fbred: It's not in anyone's best interest to facilitate you running a dictionary attack. |
| 01:48.36 | FieldySnuts | use windows, then. oh wait, it does that, too. |
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| 01:49.43 | fbred | mwilson, so I would change those values, and then run a dictionary attack? doesn't make much sense |
| 01:50.19 | mwilson | fbred: Depends on what password you were trying to crack. |
| 01:50.23 | fbred | mwilson, it is always a chance that you help sombody to that, but don't call everone crackers |
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| 01:50.49 | scorphus | is it possible to setup a linux router machine with only one NIC? |
| 01:50.51 | MrBIOS | hi folks, how do I set up hotplug for a USB network (802.11b) device? |
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| 01:51.13 | MrBIOS | something in /etc/network/interfaces? |
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| 01:53.07 | xR4Ndomx | How do I get a screen resolution higher than 800x600 on a dell inspiron 3700? |
| 01:53.16 | xpato | hi, anyone knows a software that let me create forums and manage documents? |
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| 01:53.52 | tga0 | hey, anyone here using ion3? |
| 01:53.57 | scarynetworkguy | fbred: You are asking about how to crack a password. You clearly don't know what you are doing. The obvious, and liekly correct, conclusion is that you are a kiddie. |
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| 01:54.15 | FieldySnuts | @win scarynetworkguy |
| 01:54.18 | ravenbird | Congratulations, scarynetworkguy! You have won a one way ticket to baghdad! |
| 01:54.20 | fbred | scarynetworkguy, did I really ask that question? |
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| 01:54.24 | scarynetworkguy | FieldySnuts: Thanks. :) |
| 01:54.46 | scarynetworkguy | fbred: Yes yes you did. |
| 01:54.54 | FieldySnuts | ravenbird: hack fbred |
| 01:55.01 | tehdely | gnu's not unix |
| 01:55.02 | fbred | wow, fancy |
| 01:55.14 | thenuke | Gnunix |
| 01:55.14 | tga0 | I'm getting some weird keybind behaviour in ion3 and I was wondering if anyone could try to replicate it |
| 01:55.28 | fbred | okey, i'll sit by and wait until someone asks how to make a file steuid |
| 01:55.30 | C17H21NO4 | xR4Ndomx: X or console. |
| 01:55.53 | fbred | setuid*, and then I'm going to scream "hacker!" |
| 01:55.53 | FieldySnuts | fbred: ok |
| 01:56.05 | FieldySnuts | nah, please scream cracker |
| 01:56.06 | scarynetworkguy | scorphus: So it is going to take packets from the network that hte NIC is plugged into and route them to, where? |
| 01:56.13 | fbred | FieldySnuts, ok, I'll do that |
| 01:56.16 | FieldySnuts | scarynetworkguy: itself! |
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| 01:56.21 | scarynetworkguy | FieldySnuts: Heh. |
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| 01:56.57 | FieldySnuts | i suppose with a switch connected you could (?) but it'd be mightly lame |
| 01:57.02 | FieldySnuts | er mighty. |
| 01:57.24 | FieldySnuts | no i'm nuts. it would not be a router. |
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| 01:57.28 | scorphus | scarynetworkguy: there are two intrefaces eth0 (used by ppp) and eth0:1 plugged into the LAN (192.168.254.0) |
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| 01:57.37 | abrotman | could you have two different subnets on the same switch? |
| 01:57.41 | FieldySnuts | i don't think you can use aliases for routing |
| 01:57.56 | scarynetworkguy | FieldySnuts: I've did it with a Cisco once. Had to testbed a config really quick. It worked but yeah it sucked. |
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| 01:58.00 | bob2 | abrotman: sure |
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| 01:58.09 | scarynetworkguy | scorphus: That is not the question you asked now was it? |
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| 01:58.13 | paolo | Hi guys! Anyone knows if there is a way to change exif information of a jpg photo in debian? thank you! |
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| 01:58.27 | scarynetworkguy | s/I've/I |
| 01:58.29 | bob2 | paolo: apt-cache search exif |
| 01:58.33 | bob2 | paolo: jhead can at least |
| 01:58.35 | FieldySnuts | libexif has hooks for it or something, not sure how you actually use them |
| 01:58.42 | FieldySnuts | hm. i could use that brb |
| 01:59.03 | scorphus | scarynetworkguy: not sure... but that's wat I want, setup iptables to NAT with one NIC |
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| 01:59.24 | FieldySnuts | save your self trouble/insanity , get a second NIC |
| 01:59.48 | scarynetworkguy | scorphus: OK. First you said you had two interfaces now you are back on one NIC. Make up your mind. |
| 01:59.52 | paolo | bob2: thanks!! |
| 02:00.11 | FieldySnuts | scarynetworkguy: he thinks he has two, what he has, is one physical interface, with an additional virtual (alias) interface on that. |
| 02:00.18 | FieldySnuts | and I don't think you can use aliases in routing |
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| 02:01.23 | scarynetworkguy | Not sure under *nix. But it is a pita and slow as all hell. |
| 02:01.25 | scorphus | scarynetworkguy: I have two interfaces, one real (eth0) and the other an alias (etho:1) |
| 02:01.36 | scorphus | scarynetworkguy: on a single NIC |
| 02:01.39 | scarynetworkguy | scorphus: Spend .us $15 on a cheap NIC and save yourself a world of pain. |
| 02:01.41 | FieldySnuts | get a second real NIC, then ask us |
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| 02:01.53 | scorphus | scarynetworkguy: yeap... |
| 02:02.02 | scorphus | you're right, thanks! |
| 02:02.03 | FieldySnuts | a router's job is important... rely on hardware not software for interfaces |
| 02:02.20 | scarynetworkguy | scorphus: Are you trying to set this up as a production box? |
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| 02:02.37 | doub | hi there |
| 02:02.40 | scorphus | scarynetworkguy: no, home box |
| 02:03.04 | scorphus | scarynetworkguy: we have 4 machines |
| 02:03.20 | scarynetworkguy | scorphus: That's what I meant by production. Long answer short it can be done but if you have to ask how to do it on IRC you *reqally* don't want to go there. |
| 02:03.31 | xR4Ndomx | Sorry, I got sidetracked.. I asked "How do I get a screen resolution higher than 800x600 on a dell inspiron 3700?" What do you mean by X or console? |
| 02:04.23 | scarynetworkguy | scorphus: And even if you do know how to do it and you plan on using it for more than say 5 minutes you also really don't want to go there. |
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| 02:05.42 | scorphus | scarynetworkguy: hummm... it might be working up to 20 hours a day |
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| 02:05.59 | xR4Ndomx | And also, how do I make the gnome gui appear every time I startup the computer? |
| 02:06.00 | scarynetworkguy | Basically unless you've been given not half enough hardware and told to test a insane config in the next 30 minutes and you have to jury rig a testbed get a ping from one box to another and then pull the whole thing down re-write the config and then put in on the real box. And all this because your bosses boss is a fucktard. You *really* don't want to go there. </bitter> |
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| 02:06.17 | FieldySnuts | preach it |
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| 02:06.27 | FieldySnuts | can I get an amen? |
| 02:06.27 | scarynetworkguy | To pick a random example. :) |
| 02:06.30 | scarynetworkguy | Amen. |
| 02:06.32 | FieldySnuts | hehe |
| 02:06.33 | tehdely | boom tisk |
| 02:06.35 | tehdely | there is your amen |
| 02:06.38 | tag | Anyone have any luck installing phpa with the unstable branch? |
| 02:06.57 | anne | noob looking for help with anon-proxy |
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| 02:07.17 | cartel_ | hey all |
| 02:07.22 | scarynetworkguy | scorphus: Save yourself a world of pain and get a second NIC. |
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| 02:07.35 | scorphus | scarynetworkguy: you bet! |
| 02:08.00 | scorphus | scarynetworkguy: thanks for the help and for saving my time and health |
| 02:08.09 | scarynetworkguy | scorphus: NP |
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| 02:08.41 | cartel_ | hey all |
| 02:08.43 | FieldySnuts | postmaaaan! |
| 02:08.50 | cartel_ | anyone got kde3.4 debs for sarge? |
| 02:08.56 | FieldySnuts | topic :( |
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| 02:09.49 | xR4Ndomx | How do I make it so that the gnome gui login screen appears on start up? |
| 02:10.06 | gravity | xR4Ndomx: Install gdm |
| 02:10.12 | cartel_ | nm found them |
| 02:10.17 | gravity | xR4Ndomx: If it's already installed, run dpkg-reconfigure gdm |
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| 02:11.21 | fbred | it wont accept values less than 3, I think, weird |
| 02:11.22 | xR4Ndomx | Aha, thanks |
| 02:12.21 | xR4Ndomx | And how would I change the screen resolution to higher than 800x600 on a dell inspiron 3700? |
| 02:13.00 | Golf|Away | Anyone know of a tool to rip the content of a ISO? |
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| 02:13.15 | bbrazil | Golf|Away: dd |
| 02:13.26 | FieldySnuts | mount it as a loop device, mount -o loop ( man mount for more info ) |
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| 02:14.17 | Golf|Away | let me eleborate, I need to get the data from a ISO file system, not a whole ISO from a CD |
| 02:14.30 | FieldySnuts | please see my answer |
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| 02:15.03 | SpeS | hi, what's the most common way to mount an external usb dvd recorder?? |
| 02:15.14 | Golf|Away | FieldySnuts, k, so I mount it with a filesystem like a CD... |
| 02:16.01 | Golf|Away | FieldySnuts, one more thing... It is a bootble Linux CD (well the ISO of one...) |
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| 02:16.38 | FieldySnuts | i don't know if that makes a difference or not |
| 02:16.50 | Golf|Away | FieldySnuts, k, thanks mate |
| 02:17.09 | mwilson | Golf|Away: <shrug> Mount the ISO? |
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| 02:19.18 | mwilson | Oh, goodie... what's broken now... |
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| 02:22.15 | krenin | hello big debian peeps |
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| 02:23.01 | mwilson | <sigh> So much for ippl |
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| 02:23.56 | krenin | how's the debianness going |
| 02:24.32 | abrotman | mwilson: why? |
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| 02:26.09 | cc13 | !dpkg bts |
| 02:26.20 | kbrooks | cc13, apt |
| 02:26.25 | kbrooks | !apt bts |
| 02:26.35 | kbrooks | :| |
| 02:26.41 | cc13 | doh... thanks :) been a while |
| 02:26.47 | bob2 | huh? |
| 02:26.49 | bob2 | !bts |
| 02:26.51 | mwilson | abrotman: First it was orphaned, which was bad enough. Now it's adopted, which is worse. |
| 02:27.07 | bob2 | SpeS: good question |
| 02:27.09 | abrotman | how is that worse? |
| 02:27.15 | bob2 | SpeS: plug it in and it'll show up as /dev/scd0 |
| 02:27.17 | MobyTurbo | bob2: dpkg is dead |
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| 02:27.24 | Golf|Away | mwilson: what did you mean by mount the ISO??? |
| 02:27.38 | abrotman | mwilson: how is that worse? |
| 02:27.44 | bob2 | everytime you use more than one '?', 10 people decide to not bother helping you |
| 02:27.53 | Golf|Away | lol |
| 02:27.59 | Golf|Away | :-) |
| 02:28.03 | krenin | what if you use ten ? |
| 02:28.05 | scarynetworkguy | And baby Jesus kills a puppy. |
| 02:28.16 | MobyTurbo | ~aolify Golf|Away |
| 02:28.22 | krenin | no one helps you at all if you use 5 or more question marks |
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| 02:28.26 | kbrooks | Golf|Away, mount -o loop -t iso9660 /path/to/iso /where/to/mount |
| 02:28.51 | abrotman | ~tell Golf|Away about away |
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| 02:29.20 | mwilson | abrotman: Debian-$PACKAGE is an idiotic way to choose a user name. |
| 02:29.26 | abrotman | heh |
| 02:29.34 | Golf|Away | argh |
| 02:29.36 | kbrooks | mwilson, heh |
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| 02:30.00 | xR4Ndomx | how do i edit the refresh reates? |
| 02:30.09 | Golf|Away | kbrooks: I have the following line in my fstab: /mnt/hda3/isoimage /mnt/hda3/isomount auto ro,user,noauto 0 0 |
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| 02:31.02 | mwilson | But it is Haber talking, so what do you expect? |
| 02:31.12 | MobyTurbo | xR4Ndomx: dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xfree86, or vi /etc/X11/XF86Config-4 if you know what you're doing |
| 02:31.20 | Golf|Away | kbrooks: I think it will work, yet I have to wait for the ISO to download (Got a wrong one earlier (German languesh version, while I was lloking for a English version)) |
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| 02:31.39 | mwilson | He's partly responsible for the disaster that is Debian's exim4, if I remember correctly. |
| 02:32.10 | Golf|Away | kbrooks: If needby I'll change the auto (for filesystem) to ISO960 something... |
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| 02:32.25 | MobyTurbo | mwilson: what's buggy about exim4? |
| 02:32.43 | scarynetworkguy | It's exim. |
| 02:32.47 | SpeS | bob2 It's plugged in, but I can't see /dev/scd0 , I'm using a Suse 9.2 BTW |
| 02:32.48 | scarynetworkguy | And not Postfix. |
| 02:32.49 | mwilson | You don't think a maze of little config files is a problem? |
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| 02:33.30 | MobyTurbo | scarynetworkguy: yeah, Postfix is nice. |
| 02:33.34 | calin | there is no more #debian-gnome? |
| 02:33.53 | calin | ah, nevermind |
| 02:34.03 | scarynetworkguy | MobyTurbo: If by nice you mean rules uber alles then yes. |
| 02:34.21 | SpeS | errr.. bob2 yes, I see /dev/scd0 sorry, should I mount it manually? |
| 02:34.30 | mwilson | OH, goodie... another new hotplug |
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| 02:35.28 | MobyTurbo | scarynetworkguy: Postfix is designed to be secure, which is better than sendmail or to a less extent exim |
| 02:35.44 | mwilson | Ah, and vim is broken too. What a perfect end to a perfect day. |
| 02:35.55 | scarynetworkguy | MobyTurbo: Yep. |
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| 02:37.25 | adamb100 | Whats the command to edit the xserver config? |
| 02:37.37 | mwilson | abrotman: It's not. I actually bother to audit packages that're important to me before I allow them to install. |
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| 02:38.03 | abrotman | mwilson: ah .. ok |
| 02:38.18 | MobyTurbo | adamb100: dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xfree86 |
| 02:38.25 | mwilson | abrotman: Anything I have installed that's maintained by d'Itri is on hold, for example. |
| 02:38.26 | scarynetworkguy | Heh. |
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| 02:38.39 | Kzimm | hi |
| 02:38.51 | adamb100 | thanx |
| 02:39.15 | abrotman | mwilson: i guess that's better than blindly installing |
| 02:39.47 | mwilson | abrotman: Yeah, when there are people maintaining critical packages that you can't trust... |
| 02:40.59 | abrotman | mwilson: you're not even a DD are you? |
| 02:41.00 | cartel_ | mwilson: what reason for that? |
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| 02:41.14 | bob2 | SpeS: um? |
| 02:41.16 | bob2 | SpeS: #suse |
| 02:41.40 | mwilson | abrotman: Gods, no. Why would I want to be a DD? I have more than enough to do being responsible for ME, let alone for anything someone else would be using. |
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| 02:41.58 | cartel_ | mwilson: ahh, just reading joey's blog |
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| 02:42.10 | abrotman | mwilson: you could officialy bitch ? :) |
| 02:42.12 | mwilson | cartel_: What are you going on about? |
| 02:42.21 | gravity | abrotman: That wouldn't mean much more than it does now |
| 02:42.58 | kaplanfx | anyone here ever used sas on debian? |
| 02:43.01 | abrotman | gravity: heh |
| 02:43.17 | Kzimm | anyone can help with cdrecord and DVD IDE burner ? |
| 02:43.18 | v0rb1s | what is sas? |
| 02:43.28 | oKtosiTe | I have an external USB 2.5" HDD enclosure, which seems to timeout when accessing some parts of the drive. I have read that there is some timeout I can set to avoid this. |
| 02:43.29 | gravity | Stats package. I use R myself. |
| 02:43.30 | bob2 | Kzimm: don't you need to use dvdrecord? |
| 02:43.35 | kaplanfx | v0rb1s: statistical analysis tool I believe |
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| 02:43.41 | mwilson | ew, dvdrecord |
| 02:43.43 | oKtosiTe | It's a Genesys based device |
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| 02:43.57 | kaplanfx | its like a programming language for analyzing data |
| 02:44.13 | mwilson | abrotman: It's usually not worth filing bugs, either. |
| 02:44.20 | dondelelcaro | ah, R |
| 02:44.22 | nvz | how can I ask grep to scan for two words occuring in any order in a single pattern? |
| 02:44.26 | abrotman | mwilson: i've gotten some resolved |
| 02:44.28 | kaplanfx | gravity: I would use R, but this is for my work. I'd like to install it here and learn how to use it. |
| 02:44.33 | Kzimm | bob2: didn't knew it exist |
| 02:44.44 | dondelelcaro | nvz: -E \(foo|bar\) should do it... |
| 02:44.45 | bob2 | nvz: alternate, (foo.*bar|bar.*foo) |
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| 02:45.04 | dondelelcaro | oh, you mean both words occuring, probably |
| 02:45.10 | kaplanfx | Kzimm: you need dvd+-rw-tools or somethign like that |
| 02:45.15 | nvz | yeah any line that has the two words in it |
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| 02:45.30 | nvz | yeah, thats what I had been doing |
| 02:45.30 | mwilson | abrotman: Oh, I file bugs. But there are packages that I just don't bother doing it against. |
| 02:45.33 | adamb100 | To whoever told me the command to reconfigure xserver: It said dpkg-reconfigure not found |
| 02:45.37 | Kzimm | kaplanfx: i m only on shell |
| 02:45.37 | nvz | I thought I could somehow use a single pattern |
| 02:45.41 | gravity | adamb100: As root |
| 02:45.45 | SpeS | other crash playing with usb device :SSSSSS |
| 02:45.45 | Kzimm | kaplanfx: it will work ? |
| 02:45.48 | abrotman | mwilson: i only do it usually if it affects something at work |
| 02:46.14 | kaplanfx | Kzimm: yeah install the package dvd+rw-tools |
| 02:46.20 | kaplanfx | im pretty sure its command line |
| 02:46.33 | Kzimm | k i ll check |
| 02:46.46 | adamb100 | It was root, I booted into the command line and did it |
| 02:46.55 | kaplanfx | Kzimm: and there is a package called dvdrecord as well |
| 02:47.35 | kaplanfx | Kzimm: rather dvdrtools |
| 02:48.00 | kaplanfx | actually there are several packges I see here |
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| 02:48.22 | Kzimm | dunno what is the best |
| 02:48.41 | kaplanfx | nope, I use k3b, I think it uses dvd+rw-tools |
| 02:49.14 | Jarn | hmmm |
| 02:49.18 | Jarn | a dropdown konsole |
| 02:49.19 | Jarn | sexy |
| 02:49.20 | utku | hi all, is there an asy way to select desktop manager via gdm ? |
| 02:49.30 | dondelelcaro | utku: yes. |
| 02:49.32 | tony | Kzimm, also theres growisofs |
| 02:49.58 | Kzimm | what is the simplyest :/ |
| 02:50.08 | dondelelcaro | utku: you can either use the Debian session and ~/.Xsession (sane), make your own session (slightly insane) or munge the default desktop manager |
| 02:50.14 | utku | how :) ? can you explain or point me to source ? |
| 02:51.31 | kaplanfx | Kzimm: I'm not sure, I don't use the command line tools |
| 02:51.32 | utku | you mean I can only choose dm by creating seperate sessions |
| 02:51.45 | dondelelcaro | utku: no, that's only one way. |
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| 02:52.03 | dondelelcaro | utku: the sane way is to use the Debian session (pre-existing) and start your dm in your ~/.Xsession |
| 02:52.29 | pureone | http://www.zytrax.com/tech/web/browser_ids.htm |
| 02:52.36 | karsten | BTS question: does "tags <action> <bugnumber>" within the text of a BTS message perform the requested action? |
| 02:52.41 | utku | OK thanks |
| 02:52.48 | kaplanfx | Kzimm: only as a backend, but it seems k3b uses dvd+rw-tools so that would be a good bet, it also uses growisofs which I think is pretty good. |
| 02:52.54 | oKtosiTe | (when) will a 2.6.9 or 2.6.10 kernel enter sarge? |
| 02:52.55 | dondelelcaro | karsten: no. |
| 02:53.06 | karsten | dondelelcaro: Has to be a seperate mail? |
| 02:53.08 | muppo | hi im trying to set up valknut and ive done ./configure and im doing "make" now and i get an error that i dont know what to do about, anyone got any suggestions about this? http://alpha.neotic.org/~muppo/fel.txt |
| 02:53.17 | dondelelcaro | karsten: tag <bugnumber> action; at the head of the message followed by thanks Cc:'ed to control will, however. |
| 02:53.40 | karsten | Dig. |
| 02:53.42 | karsten | thanks ;-) |
| 02:53.59 | dondelelcaro | karsten: np. I think the reference card goes over that... |
| 02:53.59 | Kzimm | kaplanfx: k3B isn't shell command no ? |
| 02:54.08 | karsten | dondelelcaro: It does, I was confuzzed. |
| 02:54.14 | kaplanfx | Kzimm: nope |
| 02:54.18 | karsten | dondelelcaro: Reopening this puppy: http://bugs.debian.org/cgi-bin/bugreport.cgi?bug=74154 |
| 02:54.30 | kaplanfx | Kzimm: which kernel ver are you using? |
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| 02:54.54 | dondelelcaro | karsten: it's actually opened, just tagged wontfix |
| 02:55.05 | dondelelcaro | !dbugs 74154 |
| 02:55.06 | mwilson | Why not just file a bug asking for its removal? |
| 02:55.07 | kaplanfx | Kzimm: if its 2.6.8 burning is mostly broken, I would upgrade your kernel |
| 02:55.10 | dpkg | #74154:W[lg-base] lg; issues should be compressed (wontfix) Fri, 6 Oct 2000 14:33:01 UTC |
| 02:55.22 | karsten | dondelelcaro: What should I request then? What counters a wontfix? |
| 02:55.32 | dondelelcaro | karsten: a patch, or method of doing it sanely. |
| 02:55.33 | karsten | dondelelcaro: I've determined that compressing the files _doesn't_ break things. |
| 02:55.40 | karsten | dondelelcaro: OK, I've got sanity ;-) |
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| 02:55.49 | kaplanfx | gravity: do you know if its possible to have sas running on linux? google is inconclusive on the matter. |
| 02:55.55 | mwilson | karsten: A link to another file? |
| 02:56.07 | dondelelcaro | karsten: wontfix is generally the maintainer's way of saying that they either won't fix it, or there's no way to do it sanely, and instead of closing it, they're tagging it so no one resubmits the same bug |
| 02:56.11 | Kzimm | can't remember what kernel i have |
| 02:56.13 | gravity | kaplanfx: Sorry, I don't know |
| 02:56.18 | utku | is there anyone using xorg from ubuntu depots on a sarge ? |
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| 02:56.34 | deadcat | having trouble running root-tail with gnome. why is the bgimage or something taking over root-tail? |
| 02:56.34 | karsten | mwilson: No. Apache transparently substituest foo.gz if foo is requested but does not exist. |
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| 02:56.42 | karsten | mwilson: Works for HTML, images, CSS. |
| 02:56.46 | karsten | mwilson: ...and other file formats. |
| 02:56.58 | dondelelcaro | karsten: that only works if the browser supports it though... |
| 02:56.58 | mwilson | karsten: So you'd have to have Apache installed in order to read them? |
| 02:57.07 | mwilson | karsten: That's rather silly. |
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| 02:57.21 | karsten | mwilson: Um. localhost/doc/ is pretty damned usefl. |
| 02:57.35 | mwilson | karsten: But not a usual thing. |
| 02:57.35 | karsten | mwilson: And I disagree. dwww also rocks. |
| 02:57.36 | kaplanfx | can I send a signal to a process that seems to be dead to attempt to get it back? |
| 02:57.42 | kaplanfx | like renice or something? |
| 02:57.45 | karsten | mwilson: Let me check direct file access.... |
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| 02:58.11 | tony | Kzimm, growisifs is simple as this for file backups to dvd ..growisofs -Z /dev/dvd -R -J /some/files |
| 02:58.31 | karsten | mwilson: Point. Direct file access doesn't work. |
| 02:58.32 | mwilson | karsten: You can't get cluebies to read documentation when you tell them where it is in the filesystem. You expect them to install a web browser, configure it to look at .../doc, and use a browser? |
| 02:58.37 | Kzimm | i don't see it in apt-get |
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| 02:58.52 | mwilson | install a web server, rather |
| 02:58.53 | kaplanfx | Kzimm: its part of some dvd-tools package, lemme look for you |
| 02:58.57 | MobyTurbo | karsten: use dhelp instead of dwww, then apache is optional |
| 02:59.00 | karsten | mwilson: apache is bone-simple to install. Defaults handle this. How hard is 'aptitude install apache' ? |
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| 02:59.10 | kaplanfx | Kzimm: in the meantime, type uname -r and tell me what it says |
| 02:59.12 | karsten | MobyTurbo: Does dhelp handle gzipped files? |
| 02:59.24 | tony | Kzimm, dvd+rw-tools |
| 02:59.26 | mwilson | karsten: It's yet another daemon a cluebie shouldn't be installing. |
| 02:59.31 | Kzimm | 2.6.7-1-386 |
| 02:59.44 | MobyTurbo | karsten: NFI |
| 02:59.52 | kaplanfx | Kzimm: hmm, you should be ok |
| 02:59.57 | travisat | mwilson if you do "aptitude install apache dwww" you just set it up to localhost/dwww, its damned easy |
| 02:59.57 | kaplanfx | Kzimm: install dvd+rw-tools |
| 03:00.03 | mwilson | karsten: *especially* since it's a listener by default. |
| 03:00.05 | kaplanfx | that package contains growisofs |
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| 03:00.18 | MobyTurbo | karsten: since you read dhelp with a web browser it probably does. |
| 03:00.23 | Kzimm | ho yeah i have just installed it |
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| 03:00.30 | Kzimm | k i got it sorry :/ |
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| 03:00.36 | adamb100 | Hey |
| 03:00.42 | karsten | mwilson: Anyway, my suggestion is a debconf setting for postinst compression. |
| 03:00.51 | mwilson | travisat: Now you're expecting the cluebie to be able to CONFIGURE Apache, not just install it. |
| 03:00.55 | muppo | no one got any ideas for me? |
| 03:01.00 | adamb100 | How can I force Debian to boot into the command line? Setting the run level and init won't work |
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| 03:01.09 | dondelelcaro | adamb100: init=/sbin/init 1; |
| 03:01.09 | mwilson | adamb100: Of course not. |
| 03:01.17 | dondelelcaro | adamb100: /msg dpkg runlevels |
| 03:01.22 | karsten | mwilson: Um. There remain sane ways to handle that situation. |
| 03:01.36 | mwilson | karsten: But none of them are implemented at the moment, are they? |
| 03:01.52 | adamb100 | Is there away to force the command line after the gui boots? |
| 03:01.59 | dondelelcaro | adamb100: ctrl-alt-f1 |
| 03:02.00 | mwilson | karsten: Therefore Apache is dangerous. |
| 03:02.06 | adamb100 | thankx |
| 03:02.08 | karsten | mwilson: Well, we can get into YAMDWC discussing how it isn't being handled, or suggest ways for handling it sanely. |
| 03:02.09 | travisat | mwilson: for a localhost installation the default works just fine |
| 03:02.17 | MobyTurbo | adamb100: /etc/init.d/[x,g,k]dm stop |
| 03:02.32 | mwilson | karsten: It *is* being handled sanely. It's not being installed. |
| 03:02.34 | karsten | mwilson: Um. "apache listens to localhost only by default?" |
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| 03:03.25 | karsten | !YAMDWC |
| 03:03.25 | dpkg | from memory, yamdwc is yet another mwilson dick wrangling contest |
| 03:03.32 | mwilson | <sigh> |
| 03:03.39 | Kzimm | kaplanfx: rowisofs -Z /dev/cdrom=/home/data/tempo/grenadier.iso seems not work :/ |
| 03:03.44 | erirlar | If i want grub to use its boot dir to boot insted of MBR does the boot patiton have to be hda1 ? |
| 03:03.45 | mwilson | Far be it for anyone to have an opinion. |
| 03:03.55 | karsten | mwilson: They're like assholes. |
| 03:04.05 | karsten | mwilson: Remember to wipe after using. |
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| 03:04.15 | dondelelcaro | karsten: but some are far more rank and foul than others... |
| 03:04.25 | CSRx_486 | erirlar: why not just use mbr? |
| 03:04.26 | karsten | dondelelcaro: Yes, and I'm pulling rank. |
| 03:04.29 | kaplanfx | Kzimm: you neeed a g |
| 03:04.35 | kaplanfx | Kzimm: the command is growisofs |
| 03:04.41 | Golfgeo | anyone know what filesystem the linux "image" is on a linux boot CD? |
| 03:04.43 | mwilson | And how many times have YOU seen the default Debian Apache index page out on the 'net? |
| 03:05.01 | kaplanfx | Kzimm: don't use quals |
| 03:05.14 | kaplanfx | Kzimm: you really need to use the manpage and find out what options you want to use |
| 03:05.26 | dondelelcaro | mwilson: for bonus points, how many messages in the past year have been sent to the mailing lists with "You evil Debian hackers have taken over box foo" |
| 03:05.27 | Kzimm | k sorry |
| 03:05.28 | erirlar | CSRx_486: well there is someting rong with the mbr its freaks my hdd and make it run really slow sometimes |
| 03:05.31 | kaplanfx | Kzimm: try man growisofs |
| 03:05.34 | Kzimm | k ty |
| 03:05.38 | kaplanfx | yw |
| 03:05.45 | mwilson | dondelelcaro: Exactly. |
| 03:05.49 | erirlar | CSRx_486: something with dms or something |
| 03:06.03 | CSRx_486 | erirlar: go into bios and change from AUTO to LBA |
| 03:06.03 | travisat | mwilson: we all have our boxes hooked up and have a dns |
| 03:06.18 | erirlar | whats LBA ? |
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| 03:06.37 | Guerin | wow, dist-upgrading with a broken sources.list ain't pretty |
| 03:06.42 | erirlar | i have the manual so dont bother explaning it to me :) |
| 03:06.46 | karsten | !tell erirlar about lba |
| 03:06.51 | CSRx_486 | erirlar: good question... i dont know. but it makes things work magically. :) |
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| 03:08.10 | transgress | okay what exactly is different between mod_perl and the apache-perl? |
| 03:08.21 | mwilson | dondelelcaro: It's one of the few things Ubuntu gets right... no external listeners. Of course, then they fsck it up by putting in a user-controllable VNC server, but the concept was good. |
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| 03:09.09 | dondelelcaro | mwilson: fewer and fewer things listen externally nowdays. Of course, most people who would leave the default page up can't configure it to start with... |
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| 03:09.43 | mwilson | dondelelcaro: But yet someone tells them to install it. |
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| 03:10.29 | dondelelcaro | *shrug* people tell them to join cults, join the army, jump off bridges... not my problem. |
| 03:10.29 | karsten | mwilson: note too that apache's configured to allow dwww/doc access to just localhost too. |
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| 03:10.44 | adamb10 | Hello again. I finally managed to get in the gui. How do I remove hotplugs? |
| 03:10.58 | karsten | dondelelcaro: Join a cult, join the army, jump off a bridge, and join a problem. |
| 03:11.20 | karsten | !tell adamb10 about hotplug |
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| 03:11.34 | karsten | adamb10: Likely 'discover' has something to do with that. |
| 03:12.17 | mwilson | I don't know how many times we're going to have to answer this guy's question... |
| 03:12.38 | tag | anyone have the php accellerator installed in unstable? |
| 03:12.49 | karsten | mwilson: Which? That particular question, or that particular idiot? |
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| 03:13.14 | Kzimm | kaplanfx: always :-( unable to INQUIRY: Invalid argument |
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| 03:13.26 | Kzimm | seems /dev/cdrom isn't godd |
| 03:13.41 | erirlar | anyone knows when kde 3.4 will come out for sarge? |
| 03:13.53 | karsten | dondelelcaro: Um. Debian runlevels don't control X startup. This isn't Red Hat: 19:01 < dondelelcaro> adamb100: /msg dpkg runlevels |
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| 03:14.15 | karsten | !tell erirlar about kde |
| 03:14.43 | karsten | Kzimm: /dev/cdrom won't exist unless you (or an install routine) has created it. |
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| 03:15.15 | karsten | Kzimm: grep CD /var/log/dmesg |
| 03:15.29 | Kzimm | hdj: _NEC DVD_RW ND-3520A, ATAPI CD/DVD-ROM drive |
| 03:15.29 | Kzimm | hdj: ATAPI 48X DVD-ROM DVD-R CD-R/RW drive, 2048kB Cache |
| 03:15.29 | Kzimm | Uniform CD-ROM driver Revision: 3.20 |
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| 03:15.48 | Kzimm | i have to manualy creat hdj ? |
| 03:15.56 | karsten | Kzimm: Your CD would appear to be /dev/hdj. If you want a /dev/cdrom: ln -sf /dev/hdj /dev/cdrom |
| 03:16.08 | karsten | Kzimm: Not if it exists: ls -l /dev/hdj |
| 03:16.24 | karsten | Kzimm: If it doesn't: sudo MAKDEV /dev/hdj |
| 03:16.28 | xoz | Kzimm: try hwinfo |less .. look what hd? it's assigned |
| 03:16.32 | mwilson | erirlar: It more than likely won't. |
| 03:16.32 | Kzimm | ls: /dev/hdj: No such file or directory |
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| 03:17.05 | Kzimm | ./sbin/MAKEDEV: don't know how to make device "/dev/hdj" :( |
| 03:17.10 | karsten | Kzimm: as root: cd /dev; ./MAKDEV hdj |
| 03:17.14 | erirlar | mwilson: well that was a shame |
| 03:17.18 | karsten | Kzimm: Hrm. |
| 03:17.20 | mwilson | erirlar: Why? |
| 03:17.33 | mwilson | erirlar: 3.3 is bad enough. Why would you want 3.4? |
| 03:17.36 | foureyes779 | <PROTECTED> |
| 03:17.41 | Kzimm | k done |
| 03:17.42 | Kzimm | good |
| 03:17.51 | Kzimm | nice |
| 03:17.55 | Kzimm | seems to respond now |
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| 03:18.01 | mwilson | 3.4 is even uglier than 3.3, and I wasn't sure that was possible. |
| 03:18.05 | Kzimm | dvd+rw-mediainfo /dev/cdrom |
| 03:18.11 | karsten | Kzimm: Got it? |
| 03:18.15 | Kzimm | yeah nice |
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| 03:18.34 | karsten | Kzimm: ls -l /dev/cdrom |
| 03:18.44 | Kzimm | seems to be good |
| 03:18.52 | erirlar | well if kde is so bad what other desktop or wm should i try out? |
| 03:18.56 | Kzimm | ./dev/cdrom: "Current Write Speed" is 8.2x1385KBps. |
| 03:19.04 | libpcp | how do i upgrade the version of my php4 and postgresql in debian woody 3.0? |
| 03:19.08 | Kzimm | wow |
| 03:19.11 | Kzimm | it's damn slow |
| 03:19.13 | karsten | libpcp: man aptitude |
| 03:19.29 | Kzimm | thanks a lot for help all |
| 03:19.36 | dvs | karsten: If they have aptitude |
| 03:19.52 | karsten | Kzimm: cat /etc/cdrecord/cdrecord |
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| 03:20.17 | mh_le | when I start up, discover1 dosen't detect my cdrom drives on boot.. is there anyway to fix this? |
| 03:20.19 | karsten | Kzimm: record speed is specifiable if you know your HW. |
| 03:20.34 | karsten | mh_le: grep CD /var/log/dmesg |
| 03:20.35 | libpcp | i dont have aptitude. is that a package? |
| 03:20.43 | adamb10 | Alright, heres the deal. I'm sorry for harrassing you all regarding this hotplug thing. Won't do it again |
| 03:20.44 | karsten | !tell libpcp about apt |
| 03:20.47 | karsten | !tell libpcp about aptitude |
| 03:20.50 | findme | libpcp, apt |
| 03:20.53 | karsten | libpcp: Second factoid. |
| 03:21.14 | karsten | adamb10: And we were just starting to find it endearing. |
| 03:21.37 | karsten | libpcp: aptitude is a drop-in replacement for apt-get. Has some issues, but overall is an improvement. |
| 03:21.39 | mh_le | karsten: mads@mh-desktop:~$ grep CD /var/log/dmesg |
| 03:21.39 | mh_le | hdc: SAMSUNG DVD-ROM SD-616T, ATAPI CD/DVD-ROM drive |
| 03:21.39 | mh_le | hdd: TSSTcorpCD-R/RW DRIVE TS-H292A, ATAPI CD/DVD-ROM drive |
| 03:21.39 | mh_le | Uniform CD-ROM driver Revision: 3.20 |
| 03:21.40 | mh_le | hdd: ATAPI 1X CD-ROM CD-R/RW drive, 2048kB Cache, UDMA(33) |
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| 03:21.49 | karsten | !tell mh_le about #flood |
| 03:21.50 | mh_le | sorry |
| 03:21.56 | karsten | !tell mh_le about paster |
| 03:22.02 | mh_le | I apologize |
| 03:22.06 | Kzimm | karsten: was 45 minf irst but now 10 min so np it's 8X because dvd are 8X but my burner is 16X |
| 03:22.10 | karsten | mh_le: Just don't do it again. |
| 03:22.19 | mh_le | I won't |
| 03:22.23 | karsten | mh_le: Your CDR is /dev/hdc. Your RW is /dev/hdd |
| 03:22.29 | MobyTurbo | dpkg: test |
| 03:22.52 | mh_le | karsten: well I think hdc is my dvdrom drive and hdd is the RW.. |
| 03:23.11 | mh_le | karsten: the mount points for them arn't created though |
| 03:23.13 | karsten | mh_le: You may want to give: "hdd=ide-scsi" in your bootloader as a kernel arg. 'cat /proc/cmdline' and see if that's there. |
| 03:23.20 | karsten | mh_le: Make 'em. |
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| 03:23.34 | karsten | mh_le: Current practice is /media. I prefer /mnt myself. |
| 03:23.44 | karsten | mh_le: You think correctly. |
| 03:23.49 | xoz | ide-scsi is no longer needed... ide-cd |
| 03:23.59 | karsten | xoz: As of what? URL or reference? |
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| 03:24.19 | mh_le | karsten: it isn't set... but when I make the mount point they are gone by the next reboot |
| 03:24.20 | dvs | karsten: linux 2.6 |
| 03:24.20 | xoz | karsten: in 2.6, ide-scsi is discouraged |
| 03:24.26 | jeffwho | hey guys, does anyone know how i can share files between a vmworkstation host and windows guest mabey |
| 03:24.30 | karsten | adamb10: Don't privmsg. Read /topic |
| 03:24.40 | adamb10 | sorry |
| 03:24.51 | karsten | mh_le: Where are you creating the mountpoint? |
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| 03:24.59 | mh_le | karsten: /media |
| 03:25.02 | karsten | jeffwho: samba. |
| 03:25.05 | C17H21NO4 | jeffwho: samba |
| 03:25.21 | karsten | mh_le: Y'kno,w as I said, I prefer /mnt myself. The whole /media thing is too fscking new. |
| 03:25.35 | jeffwho | ooh. whats the directory you goto in windows? isnt it like //host/my shared files |
| 03:25.39 | jeffwho | or something like that |
| 03:26.01 | dvs | jeffwho: Once samba is set up, yes. |
| 03:26.01 | mh_le | karsten: will gnome see my cdrom drive if I make the mount point in /mnt? |
| 03:26.08 | karsten | jeffwho: Under windows, mark a folder "shared" through the Windows Explorer or other tools. IIRC you can specify subdirs as well. |
| 03:26.16 | jeffwho | is that the directory? |
| 03:26.24 | karsten | jeffwho: Under Linux, you configure via Samba in /etc/samba/smb.conf |
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| 03:26.51 | karsten | mh_le: If you mount a drive, it's there. |
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| 03:27.12 | Kzimm | kaplanfx: and how can i have a title to the dvd ? when he is read on windows or mac, his name i mean |
| 03:27.15 | karsten | mh_le: For myself, I add an entry to /etc/fstab, put the damned thing in /mnt, and file bugreports against anything that bitches about it. |
| 03:27.18 | Darsk | im having trouble extracting a .bz2 tar jvf doesnt seem to work |
| 03:27.30 | mh_le | karsten: okay |
| 03:27.43 | dvs | DarknessX: jxf |
| 03:27.52 | dvs | Darsk: jxf |
| 03:27.52 | karsten | xam: If someone can point to some arguments either way, I'll write a fucking factoid and the dick-wranglers can have it out on channel. |
| 03:28.02 | karsten | xam: Right now all I've got is assertions either way with no support. |
| 03:28.08 | karsten | xam: I use ide-scsi and it works. |
| 03:28.20 | Darsk | dvs whats the delete command? |
| 03:28.21 | MobyTurbo | Darsk: jxvf |
| 03:28.25 | dpkg | Yes, mobyturbo, you're still online. |
| 03:28.26 | mwilson | karsten: I thought /media was created to make things easier for the stupids. Isn't it in the FHS or something? |
| 03:28.46 | karsten | mwilson: I just googled that before you posted, |
| 03:28.54 | karsten | mwilson: IMO it's fucked. Keep my fucking root clean. |
| 03:28.54 | dvs | Darsk: delete command for what? |
| 03:29.01 | Darsk | a file |
| 03:29.09 | dvs | Darsk: rm |
| 03:29.35 | karsten | mwilson: Why the fuck you need to duplicate the existing functionality of /mnt is beyond me. |
| 03:29.56 | mwilson | karsten: I've not allowed discover on any of my boxen for a very long time... doesn't it recreate /media if you remove it? |
| 03:30.08 | karsten | mwilson: http://www.pathname.com/fhs/pub/fhs-2.3.html |
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| 03:30.32 | karsten | tga0: I run WindowMaker. I usually start kids on XFCE4. |
| 03:30.53 | karsten | mwilson: NFC. Dunno if I've got discover or not. Sec. |
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| 03:31.41 | xam | karsten: ide-cd has full DMA-support, eg. for wringing/extracting audio-cd, but still lacks features of ide-scsi like detection of end-of-media and sophisticated media/error-detection. All this will *eventually* be implemented in ide-cd, but right now it isn't. OTOH ide-scsi is just barely maintained. Right now this means blindlessly using ide-cd gives you the advantage of creating coasters... |
| 03:31.43 | xam | ...more quickly, whereas ide-scsi makes you create CDs more slowly. |
| 03:31.48 | tga0 | karsten: imho kde has got the right ingredients, but an ugly and inefficient look+feel |
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| 03:32.12 | karsten | mwilson: I mean, isn't removable media by definition "temporarially mounted"? |
| 03:32.18 | mh_le | when I have selected firefox as my default browser it still launches konq in gnome.. any ideas on how to fix this? |
| 03:32.18 | deadcat | tga0: HAHAHAH. i hear you brother... that ugly son of bitch |
| 03:32.19 | mwilson | Gee, and we certainly need to replace /var with /srv |
| 03:32.22 | mwilson | Morons. |
| 03:32.26 | karsten | tga0: It *is* themeable. It bothers me less than GNOME. |
| 03:32.33 | Kzimm | my dvd i well finish but seems not being able to read on a windows :( |
| 03:32.34 | ZCorker | <PROTECTED> |
| 03:32.39 | karsten | mwilson: Um. WTF is /srv anyway? |
| 03:32.39 | deadcat | mwilson: whats /srv? |
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| 03:33.00 | tga0 | karsten: true, there's still hope.. I'm killing some time looking for a slick theme atm.. so much fugly eye candy out there |
| 03:33.01 | mwilson | karsten: I'd like to know, under this idiotic definition, what I'm supposed to do with the *three* NFS filesystems I have mounted on this box. |
| 03:33.20 | karsten | mwilson: Ah: it's for files provided by services. Eg: /var/www => /srv/www |
| 03:33.37 | mwilson | karsten: Yes, completely idiotic. |
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| 03:33.56 | karsten | mwilson: My own preference is to consolidate as much local crud under /home as possible. Less crap to hunt for on backups. |
| 03:33.58 | deadcat | karsten: stupid SUSE uses /srv/www i think. i was helping someone with his apache2 yesterday at rick's |
| 03:34.03 | tga0 | first time I hear about /srv |
| 03:34.36 | karsten | mwilson: No reason not to symlink anyway. ln -s /home/srv /srv. |
| 03:34.45 | Kzimm | karsten:do you know how make a DVD have a Name ? i mean in windows for exemple ? |
| 03:34.47 | mwilson | karsten: I mount three public NFS filesystems on this box. It would be inappropriate for them to be under /home |
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| 03:35.52 | mwilson | karsten: Does the FHS actually have any force, aside from convention? |
| 03:36.07 | Darsk | tar jxvf doesnt seem to work for me, anyone might know why? |
| 03:36.09 | ZCorker | Can someone help me with Debby? |
| 03:36.13 | tga0 | mwilson: /mnt? |
| 03:36.21 | deadcat | ZCorker: is she hot? |
| 03:36.25 | ZCorker | <PROTECTED> |
| 03:36.25 | mwilson | tga0: Oh, but the FHS says I can't put them there. |
| 03:36.31 | C17H21NO4 | mh_le: /etc/alternatives/x-www-browser |
| 03:36.40 | mwilson | tga0: You're not supposed to have subdirectories in /mnt, apparently. |
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| 03:36.50 | voyd | if a user typed http://www.mydomain.com in their browser, how would i redirect them to http://mydomain.com ? |
| 03:37.09 | calin | voyd: huh? specify |
| 03:37.10 | tga0 | mwilson: aren't mountpoints _supposed_ to be subdirs in /mnt? |
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| 03:37.21 | calin | tga0: doesn't have to be |
| 03:37.37 | Darsk | tar jxvf doesnt seem to work for me, anyone might know why I can't extract this bz2 file? |
| 03:37.44 | tga0 | ok, so if you have no subdirs in /mnt what do you put there? |
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| 03:37.50 | mwilson | Darsk: It's not a tarball? |
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| 03:37.55 | karsten | mwilson: As with most standards: as much as is granted it. |
| 03:37.56 | calin | tga0: you can delete /mnt if you want |
| 03:37.56 | voyd | well basically, i just want it so when a user types www.mydomain.com in their browser, the text is changed from http://www.mydomain.com to http://mydomain.com |
| 03:38.00 | voyd | i've seen it done |
| 03:38.08 | C17H21NO4 | voyd: You just need ot create a dns record for both or use wildcards, which I hate |
| 03:38.13 | karsten | !tell Darsk about doesn't work |
| 03:38.29 | mh_le_ | how do I make gnome launch firefox instead of konq as the default browser? |
| 03:38.32 | karsten | !tell Darsk about smart questions |
| 03:38.37 | calin | Darsk: Is bzip installed? |
| 03:38.41 | mwilson | Darsk: Geee, what a concept! Did you consider actually READING the errror message you get? |
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| 03:38.49 | karsten | mh_le_: Buried somewhere deep in the Gnome controle panel. |
| 03:39.12 | xoz | mh_le_: man sensible-browser? |
| 03:39.13 | calmar | hi all, any ftp-server recommendation? |
| 03:39.17 | mwilson | I'm surprised Gnome even admits to the existence of konq. |
| 03:39.17 | karsten | mwilson: Stop picking on the n00bs. |
| 03:39.29 | karsten | mwilson: Only under duress. |
| 03:39.30 | Darsk | mwilson except the file is there |
| 03:39.36 | mh_le_ | karsten: yeah, but that dosen't seem to have any effect.. it's at firefox.. but it's still konq that is lauched |
| 03:39.59 | karsten | Darsk: What command are you running? What's the file in question? What's the error message? Is bzip2 installed? |
| 03:40.12 | calin | Darsk: Is bzip installed? |
| 03:40.21 | Darsk | apt-get install bzip? |
| 03:40.26 | C17H21NO4 | mh_le: gnome preferences -> advanced -> preferred applications |
| 03:40.33 | voyd | well i've created a CNAME for www, but the www still remains in the address bar |
| 03:40.42 | calin | Darsk: apt-cache search for it first so you get the right package |
| 03:40.53 | mh_le_ | C17H21NO4: I did that.. it's still konq that pops up |
| 03:41.01 | karsten | mh_le_: RTF GNOME documentation. Sorry, not my specialty this lifetime. |
| 03:41.10 | C17H21NO4 | mh_le_: in what application? |
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| 03:41.57 | egkamp | tar won't use bzip, will it? i've always had to bunzip2 |
| 03:42.01 | mh_le_ | C17H21NO4: where ever I open a URL.. even in thunderbird |
| 03:42.16 | karsten | egkamp: Yes, it will. man tar. |
| 03:42.20 | C17H21NO4 | mh_le: thunderbird uses /etc/alternatives/x-www-browser |
| 03:42.30 | karsten | Darsk: That's one way to install stuff. |
| 03:42.36 | MobyTurbo | egkamp: tar uses decompression programs in a pipe. |
| 03:42.55 | mh_le_ | C17H21NO4: how about gnome-terminal? |
| 03:42.57 | calin | egkamp: tar will utilize bzip |
| 03:42.58 | C17H21NO4 | mh_le: link it to firefox |
| 03:43.01 | karsten | mh_le_: Yeah, check your alternatives. Also: sensible-browser, /etc/alternatives/*browser*, $WWWBROWSER, and other env vars. |
| 03:43.17 | karsten | MobyTurbo: I prefer cannibids in a bong, but whatever. |
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| 03:44.05 | MobyTurbo | mh_le_: man update-alternatives |
| 03:45.05 | mwilson | MobyTurbo: update-alternatives is almost certainly no sort of solution to his problem. |
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| 03:45.23 | mh_le_ | C17H21NO4: thanks allot :) |
| 03:45.25 | karsten | mwilson: Could be. |
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| 03:48.11 | karsten | mwilson: Unfortunately, there is no alternative. |
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| 03:48.31 | mwilson | har har |
| 03:48.50 | egkamp | checked info man: the -z option spec.s gzip, how would you spec bunzip? searched the tar options section for bz and came up empty |
| 03:49.16 | xam | egkamp: it's 'j' instead of 'z' |
| 03:49.24 | egkamp | thanks :-) |
| 03:49.29 | mwilson | egkamp: You do realize, of course, that people here can read the man page for themselves, right? |
| 03:49.33 | Kzimm | thx gn |
| 03:49.41 | mwilson | egkamp: Or already know what's in it. |
| 03:50.01 | MrMeee | is there a program to remove files left over from uninstalling a package sarge kernal 2.6 |
| 03:50.15 | egkamp | mwilson, the man page says it is only there to prevent bug reports, and recommends info, but after searching the info pages, i couldn't find it... |
| 03:50.25 | dvs | MrMeee: dpkg -P <package_name> |
| 03:50.49 | MrMeee | ty dvs |
| 03:51.01 | dvs | MrMeee: np |
| 03:51.29 | muppo | im trying to set up valknut and i get this error msg when i do "make" any suggestions how to solve it? http://alpha.neotic.org/~muppo/fel.txt |
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| 03:53.36 | MrMeee | I see IPv6 over IPv4 tunnelign driver is installed, how do i remove it? I do not see sepearate ipv6 package |
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| 03:54.10 | mwilson | egkamp: Again, I've actually read the man page, I know what's in it, and it'd be better to just stop right here. |
| 03:55.01 | MobyTurbo | egkamp: if you want to read the info pages so bad type "info tar" |
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| 03:55.28 | egkamp | well, mwilson, i can't understand why you are upset that i asked a question...but not all channels are friendly...so i'll "stop right now"...thanks for nothing |
| 03:55.47 | mwilson | Upset? |
| 03:55.51 | mwilson | Not at all. |
| 03:56.04 | xoz | god-image syndrome |
| 03:56.47 | karsten | MobyTurbo: or aptitude install pinfo; pinfo tar. |
| 03:57.18 | mwilson | I have to get past this problem I have with people who claim to read, but obviously haven't. |
| 03:57.32 | MobyTurbo | karsten: yeah, pinfo is nice. Considering that egkamp was using emacs he could have used that too. |
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| 03:58.02 | karsten | MobyTurbo: Point. Nice thing about pinfo is it's not _quite_ as rage-infuriating as info. If you don't know/use emacs daily. |
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| 03:59.47 | libpcp | where can i get package php4.3.x on debian woody 3.0 ? |
| 04:00.02 | dvs | libpcp: Try backports.org |
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| 04:05.09 | narinux | project open source for palm zire 72 |
| 04:05.30 | smaug9 | is there a functional difference between apt-get upgrade and apt-get dist-upgrade? |
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| 04:05.53 | dvs | smaug9: apt-get upgrade will NOT install new packages |
| 04:06.04 | mwilson | smaug9: Only the one the man page describes. |
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| 04:06.26 | mwilson | dvs: No, the upgrade target will not change the installation state of a package. |
| 04:06.27 | karsten | smaug9: Yes. man apt-get |
| 04:06.50 | mwilson | dvs: And if you think that's the same as what you said, read the man page. |
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| 04:07.30 | xoz | smaug9: if you are using sid, use dist-upgrade |
| 04:07.42 | pandom | can I do froward privileged ports as normal user? |
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| 04:08.00 | pandom | any work around? |
| 04:08.07 | procyon | hello i am wondering if there is a linux-wlan-ng deb for testing |
| 04:08.44 | mwilson | xoz: No, use the appropriate target. |
| 04:09.25 | mwilson | procyon: Does p.d.o say there is? |
| 04:09.41 | procyon | what is p |
| 04:09.54 | Guerin | prettd damned obvious |
| 04:10.29 | karsten | procyon: packages.debian.org |
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| 04:11.35 | dna_ | what will allow me to watch avi files? |
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| 04:12.40 | DarknessX | dna_: mplayer |
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| 04:13.10 | dna_ | the sources I am using does not have mplayer |
| 04:13.11 | dna_ | :( |
| 04:13.20 | smaug9 | from what i can tell from man apt-get, what apt-get update will not tdo, apt-get dist-upgrade will, such as upgrading dependent packages, if necessary, correct? |
| 04:13.25 | bas | i'm setting up exim, it seems to send mails, but outside servers can't verify its been setup correctly (they check the hostname or sth like that). which ports should i open? |
| 04:13.27 | DarknessX | !tell dna_ about mplayer |
| 04:13.33 | dvs | !tell dna_ about marillat |
| 04:13.43 | mwilson | bas: None. |
| 04:14.04 | mwilson | bas: What do you expect to "open" them with, anyway? |
| 04:14.19 | dvs | smaug9: Yup |
| 04:14.22 | DarknessX | smaug9: right. apt-get upgrade only upgrades. apt-get dist-upgrade upgrades and installs new packages, if required |
| 04:14.25 | mwilson | smaug9: Read it again. |
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| 04:14.38 | bas | mwilson, redirecting some port of my router to my lil' server |
| 04:14.40 | xoz | smaug9: changes in dependencies are addressed by dist-upgrade |
| 04:14.44 | dvs | DarknessX: Oops. At least I'm not the only one who thinks that way |
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| 04:15.24 | mwilson | bas: And what will that do? |
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| 04:16.44 | k-man | i'm getting some spam that just has a gif in it |
| 04:16.49 | bas | i dunno. don't really know much about mta's, its all pretty confusing. but i could guess that some servers might wanna do sth like a HELO to my server and ask if this-and-that email really originated from my server (e.g. against spam) |
| 04:16.56 | k-man | and my filter never catches it because its just a gif |
| 04:17.04 | k-man | any ideas for dealing with that kind of spam? |
| 04:17.09 | Guerin | k-man: change your filter |
| 04:17.12 | Guerin | duh |
| 04:17.35 | k-man | hmm |
| 04:17.35 | k-man | thanks |
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| 04:19.45 | smaug9 | e.g.: so if kde for some reason started to depend on a different x-server package that conflicted with a currently installed x-server, upgrade wouldn't do anything, dist-upgrade would possibly remove the conflicting package and install the newly required package? |
| 04:20.10 | malice9610 | okay, i have a basic question, im trying to configure the network on one of my Debian machines ( 2.6.8-2-686 / Dlink530 PCI nic ) and when i go into the networking section, and define a profile, it wont load the profile i set up on startup, instead it defaults back to the " Unknown " profile, so my question is, is there somewhere i can go and edit a file to FORCE it to load the profile i setup as apposed to the " unknown " profile? |
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| 04:20.21 | dna_ | why is my internet connection soooo wicked slow |
| 04:20.26 | dna_ | it is Cable |
| 04:20.27 | Guerin | kde will never and has never depended on an x server package |
| 04:20.44 | Guerin | dna_: too many people on your local loop downloading gorilla porn |
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| 04:20.50 | dvs | dna_: because it's cable ;-) |
| 04:20.52 | mwilson | smaug9: No, because KDE couldn't do that. |
| 04:20.55 | smaug9 | Guerin: this is hypothetically :) |
| 04:21.12 | Guerin | smaug9: your hypothetical is pretty much correct |
| 04:21.30 | mwilson | Basic2EE: Well, how about you let someone see the actual error you're getting? |
| 04:21.36 | dna_ | hypo - the - tic - ally |
| 04:21.36 | mwilson | ack |
| 04:21.49 | Basic2EE | mwilson: huh? |
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| 04:22.26 | dna_ | if I have a cable connection and bridge it with wireless can I download at faster speeds? |
| 04:22.37 | Guerin | dna_: depends |
| 04:22.44 | findme | nothing beats the wire |
| 04:22.45 | smaug9 | brb |
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| 04:23.24 | deadcat | whats a good gui app that can burn audio cd just by dragging mp3s to the app? |
| 04:23.30 | deadcat | good == light |
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| 04:24.43 | Guerin | deadcat: good, light, functional: pick 2 |
| 04:24.44 | smaug9 | i guess what i should ask is: when is it appropriate to use apt-get dist-upgrade as opposed to apt-get upgrade? |
| 04:24.49 | findme | deadcat, k3b |
| 04:24.54 | Guerin | smaug9: rtfm n00b |
| 04:25.08 | dvs | smaug9: I NEVER use upgrade |
| 04:25.10 | Guerin | k3b is light like a hummvee is fuel-efficient |
| 04:25.26 | xoz | smaug9: in sid, dist-upgrade IMO |
| 04:25.53 | smaug9 | xoz: why not in sarge/woody? |
| 04:26.21 | deadcat | Guerin: light, functional |
| 04:26.32 | deadcat | findme: no k* craps. (= |
| 04:26.34 | xoz | smaug9: stable or near-stable stuff... not much changes so upgrade and dist-upgrade will do the same thing |
| 04:26.36 | Guerin | deadcat: cdw |
| 04:26.47 | findme | deadcat, i am happy though |
| 04:26.53 | deadcat | Guerin: just drag mp3s and burn? no need to convert shits? |
| 04:26.59 | Guerin | deadcat: unfortunately, k3b really is the best choice for gui droolery |
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| 04:27.26 | Guerin | deadcat: well, it's curses, so no drag... but I think it can do the conversion bit |
| 04:27.35 | smaug9 | xoz: ahh, that makes sense to me, thanks! |
| 04:27.45 | deadcat | Guerin: that i can live without. (=. just need to burn few songs and record it to a type cassett. my mp3 player was stolen from the car, have to go back to type |
| 04:27.57 | Guerin | heh |
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| 04:28.17 | xoz | smaug9: and dist-upgrade stuff is usually for changing flavour like woody to sarge to sid. |
| 04:28.49 | smaug9 | xoz: isn't that handled by changing sources.list? |
| 04:28.54 | Guerin | wow, my intarwebs is teh b0rk3n |
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| 04:29.11 | xoz | smaug9: no, you need dist-upgrade... not just upgrade |
| 04:29.15 | Guerin | smaug9: if you just do upgrade on a different sources.list, you get frankendebian |
| 04:29.35 | xoz | well said |
| 04:29.50 | Guerin | not balanced, and not fair either |
| 04:30.11 | smaug9 | right, due to the possibliity of different versions of packages having different dependencies. |
| 04:30.22 | Guerin | yes |
| 04:31.01 | xoz | smaug9: dist-upgrade means between distribution upgrade while upgrade means within distribution upgrade |
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| 04:32.01 | smaug9 | that's what i assumed, but i would have to do both, use dist-upgrade and change the sources.list, correct? |
| 04:32.24 | dvs | smaug9: vice versa |
| 04:32.45 | smaug9 | dvs: huh? |
| 04:32.47 | xoz | smaug9: yep. having sid is like having a new distribution every<?>hour,minute, week... |
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| 04:33.00 | dvs | smaug9: change the sources.list then do dist-upgrade |
| 04:33.01 | xoz | that's why i recommend dist-upgrade |
| 04:33.14 | xoz | !woody->sarge |
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| 04:36.17 | xoz | !woody->unstable |
| 04:36.23 | Guerin | sid is updated daily, same as sarge |
| 04:36.28 | Guerin | dpkg is dead |
| 04:36.32 | Guerin | long live dpkg |
| 04:36.32 | dvs | long live dpkg |
| 04:36.38 | Guerin | hah |
| 04:36.59 | dvs | D'oh |
| 04:37.16 | xoz | dpkg, are you alive |
| 04:37.59 | xoz | dpkg works by pm |
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| 04:42.12 | smaug9 | thanks, all! |
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| 04:44.45 | C17H21NO4 | I am trying to apt-get ripmake and it depends on 3 packages that apparently don't exist! |
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| 04:47.15 | jonc101 | hey what is the right package name for apt-getting the ms core fonts? |
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| 04:47.47 | DrAk0 | any good photo album i can install? any suggestion? |
| 04:48.07 | xoz | jonc101: msttcorefonts |
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| 04:49.14 | xoz | DrAk0: apt-cache search photo album |
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| 04:49.42 | Darsk | im looking for a way to either find my mysql root password or change it, anyone know the easiest way? |
| 04:49.43 | _joey | is anyone good with samba? |
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| 04:50.16 | _joey | I put writable = yes in [pub] section but I can only read and not write to share |
| 04:50.38 | xoz | Darsk: read /usr/share/doc/mysql-server/readme.debian |
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| 04:52.15 | C17H21NO4 | _joey: The file/folder also has to be writable. |
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| 04:53.24 | C17H21NO4 | s/folder/directory/ |
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| 05:00.19 | _joey | the folder is writable |
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| 05:00.26 | _joey | directory |
| 05:02.25 | Agrajag- | hmm anyone happen to know if it's possible to move an X window if there's no window manager running? |
| 05:02.50 | simonrvn | not really. AFAIK |
| 05:03.01 | Flimzy | Is a "Mobile Pentium MMX" CPU the same as "Pentium M" for the purpose of kernel compilation? Or do I want standard "Pentium-MMX" support? |
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| 05:04.05 | xoz | Flimzy: if you have pentium M use it. otherwise, mmx |
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| 05:04.45 | Flimzy | xoz: Well that's the question. |
| 05:04.45 | Flimzy | xoz: What is Pentium M? |
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| 05:05.00 | Flimzy | xoz: Is that just "mobile pentium" or is it something else? |
| 05:05.51 | xoz | Flimzy: centrino based... and those with pentium M trademark. it has special hw for better power management for mobile computer while mmx is just a processor for desktop used in mobile |
| 05:05.58 | MikeReiner | could someonme send me the debian-Installer? |
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| 05:06.07 | Agrajag- | ok next question then.. what's an extremely light window manager that'll work well over a not so fast connection with ssh X11 tunneling? |
| 05:06.20 | Flimzy | xoz: okay, I don't have that at all then |
| 05:06.27 | Agrajag- | (all i want it to do is let me move windows :P) |
| 05:06.58 | DemisM | what's the simplest way to install and configure my printer? |
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| 05:07.34 | xoz | printer config has no simple way |
| 05:07.35 | aardvark | DemisM: smear it in honey and release the ants. |
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| 05:09.36 | Darsk | xoz is there a way to complete terminate a process |
| 05:09.42 | Darsk | nm |
| 05:09.51 | DemisM | how can I setup, for auto update using apt-get? |
| 05:09.56 | xoz | kill -9 <process id> |
| 05:10.44 | xoz | DemisM: auto-apt |
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| 05:11.57 | MikeReiner | hey uh, anyone? i'm having trouble getting the 30mb minimal install iso image for debian |
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| 05:12.27 | xoz | MikeReiner: continue describing your trouble |
| 05:12.43 | todd_ | when is gnome getting packaged? |
| 05:13.03 | DemisM | if you have gnome must you have totem? |
| 05:13.04 | MikeReiner | i'm on the debian webpage, trying to ge tthe 30mb iso image, but for some reason, the zip files that have em, ask for pws |
| 05:13.27 | cartel_ | whats the best xfonts collection to install? |
| 05:13.31 | DemisM | apt-get remove totem says it will remove gnome... |
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| 05:14.29 | dna_ | how do I view wmv files ? |
| 05:14.35 | todd_ | DemisM, you could try removing gnome, then just install gnome-session |
| 05:14.52 | todd_ | gnome includes the extra themes and games and useless thihngs |
| 05:15.23 | todd_ | then use synaptic to find extra things |
| 05:15.34 | xoz | DemisM: check your dependencies... update your source list |
| 05:15.36 | cartel_ | roar |
| 05:15.40 | cartel_ | what package has the fixed font? |
| 05:15.51 | cartel_ | nm |
| 05:15.54 | cartel_ | i guessed |
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| 05:16.39 | xoz | DemisM: and upgrade. possible that you have dependency problems not related to totem but when you use apt-get, it finds these deps problem and remove gnome. |
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| 05:17.26 | xoz | DemisM: removing totem does not remove gnome |
| 05:17.56 | zophyx | what's the name of the kde app that handles rpms' ? |
| 05:18.10 | CroatianNinja | i am using sarge with kernel 2.6.8-2-386, is there still a menu-update type command? |
| 05:18.36 | CroatianNinja | or update-menu |
| 05:18.37 | xoz | zophyx: apt-cache search rpm kde |
| 05:18.51 | DemisM | it says it removed gnome but I'm still using gnome... |
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| 05:19.11 | MikeReiner | well, uh, il search else where, you guys appear to be busy |
| 05:19.17 | xoz | update-menus? |
| 05:19.22 | DemisM | oh but I have gnome sessions :) |
| 05:19.32 | CroatianNinja | xoz, ah ha |
| 05:19.36 | CroatianNinja | xoz, thank you |
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| 05:20.00 | DemisM | how do I remove all the extra crap gnome installed initially? |
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| 05:22.59 | xoz | DemisM: dpkg -l | grep gnome|less |
| 05:23.26 | Gandalf_vhcs | helo everyone, if someone have a good DNS knowledge please private me because my DNS are always resolving private, |
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| 05:23.47 | cafuego | Is there an easy way to call 'ulimit' in perl to I can set a max run time on a cgi script? |
| 05:24.02 | Gandalf_vhcs | for information i'm behind a router (IPCOP) using debian sarge as a server and VHCS as a control panel |
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| 05:24.30 | Python | is there a command to tell how many ssh seshios are open in debian |
| 05:24.40 | DemisM | less not found |
| 05:24.47 | xoz | use more |
| 05:25.01 | DemisM | wow neat ;) |
| 05:25.11 | xoz | or cat or dog |
| 05:25.52 | xoz | DemisM: install less. better than more |
| 05:25.53 | DemisM | is the best mp3 player xmms? |
| 05:26.07 | xoz | relative to taste |
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| 05:26.33 | Gandalf_vhcs | no one have a DNS knowledge or know a room where i can get help? |
| 05:27.02 | Python | dous anyone know how to tell who is logged on to a system with ssh |
| 05:27.08 | xoz | Gandalf_vhcs: ask. if we know the answer you. google also may help |
| 05:27.13 | dak | anyone have any experance with deb on a laptop that has a gf4 440 go ? |
| 05:27.21 | cafuego | Python: ps auxww | grep sshd |
| 05:27.30 | dak | it works but crashes after 20 or so mins |
| 05:27.32 | WauloK | ive updated to sarge, but am on 2.2.20-idepci. whats a stable latest kernel you would recommend i update to |
| 05:27.53 | Python | thanks |
| 05:28.05 | xoz | WauloK: latest 2.6 kernel from sarge? |
| 05:28.10 | dak | WauloK why dont you geet 2.6 ? |
| 05:28.19 | WauloK | well i installed woody and updated to sarge, so ive got the woody kernel |
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| 05:28.35 | WauloK | 2.6.11.5 ? |
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| 05:29.02 | cafuego | 2.6.11.5 isn't a woody kernel. That would be 2.4.18-1 |
| 05:29.03 | xoz | WauloK: jst get the biggest number from sarge |
| 05:29.13 | WauloK | no. i have 2.2.20 |
| 05:29.18 | WauloK | i said SHOULD i go to 2.6.11.5 |
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| 05:29.25 | cafuego | WauloK: 2.4.18-1-[CPUTYPE] it is. |
| 05:29.30 | xoz | WauloK: dont forget to dist-upgrade |
| 05:29.31 | dak | you can always compile it your self |
| 05:29.32 | cafuego | WauloK: No, woody doesn't support 2.6 kernels. |
| 05:29.37 | WauloK | i did dist-upgrade |
| 05:29.37 | dak | dont need to dpkg it |
| 05:29.41 | Gandalf_vhcs | well, here's what's going on, i have an ipcop router (based linux router) behind it i have a laptop (192.168.1.2) and a server (192.168.3.2), on the server i have installed debian sarge and VHCS which is a control panel, normally when we create DNS/web server we keep the DNS cache on the same server and the DNS cache will be with private IPs, when someone outside request the site, the IP address associated to the DNS cache will |
| 05:29.42 | WauloK | im now on Sarge |
| 05:29.43 | WiFiTux | the 2.6.11 source is not there still. |
| 05:29.48 | WiFiTux | crap |
| 05:29.50 | dondelelcaro | karsten: it would help if you actually *READ* the runlevels factoid... |
| 05:29.51 | Gandalf_vhcs | private to public but it's not the case |
| 05:29.52 | cafuego | WauloK: Well on sarge you can pick ANY kernel. |
| 05:30.06 | cafuego | WauloK: apt-cache search kernel-image - pick the one that suits your cpu. |
| 05:30.09 | dak | ftp.kernel.org WauloK |
| 05:30.22 | dak | and if you want make it into a .deb |
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| 05:30.37 | mud | my clock runs fast so i changed the time time now i get error ""make: warning: Clock skew detected. Your build may be incomplete.""how can i fix clock? |
| 05:30.44 | WauloK | ok thanks cafuego. I can configure that when I install it? I want to enable usb stuff but the woody kernel doesnt have it by default and im looking for dox |
| 05:30.51 | bob2 | mud: rerun make |
| 05:30.51 | dak | mud let time cetch up... |
| 05:30.56 | cafuego | mud: install ntpdate and/or ntp-simple |
| 05:31.01 | dak | unless it was years off :/ |
| 05:31.07 | Gandalf_vhcs | xoz: do you know a solution? |
| 05:31.42 | WauloK | i can apt-get kernel image somehow? does that let me configure it and install it? |
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| 05:32.02 | cafuego | WauloK: Woody is old and crusty, sarge kernels have all kinds of usb stuff enabled (not to mention your 2.2.20 kernel is an *install* kernel with lots of stuff disabled to make it for onto a floppy) |
| 05:32.14 | WauloK | cafuego : yes thats why i want to update ;) |
| 05:32.28 | WauloK | i only just installed woody 2 days ago and sarge updated today |
| 05:32.30 | cafuego | WauloK: If you ap-get install a sarge kernel, it will have pretty much EVERYTHING enabled. |
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| 05:32.38 | WauloK | sweet |
| 05:32.42 | WiFiTux | WauloK, apt-cache search kernel-image-2.x.x where x.x is you version? |
| 05:32.47 | mud | cafuego thx ntpdate is slick |
| 05:32.47 | dak | but thats not the latest kernel out |
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| 05:32.48 | xoz | Gandalf_vhcs: cant you make two dns server? one private inside and the other public accessible outside? not really clear about your problem... maybe you can elaborate more |
| 05:33.02 | dak | why not just make a kernel from source and build it as a deb ? |
| 05:33.04 | WauloK | then apt-get install kernel-image-2.6.x ? |
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| 05:33.09 | cafuego | mud: Just run a 'make clean; make' if you're worried about the build (it's probably fine though) |
| 05:33.12 | WauloK | dak: this is what im asking |
| 05:33.14 | dak | its not hard |
| 05:33.18 | cafuego | WauloK: yep |
| 05:33.20 | dak | they have howto's all over the place for it |
| 05:33.25 | WauloK | what's the best way to get the newest version (whatever that is) installed thats stable |
| 05:33.33 | dak | WauloK 1 sec |
| 05:33.41 | cafuego | WauloK: "newest" and "stable" do not mix. |
| 05:33.45 | WauloK | i can do stuff on the kernel.org site or other howtos |
| 05:33.47 | mud | cafuego i didnt build got error with make menuconfig |
| 05:33.56 | WauloK | the "somewhat new" stable kernel then :P |
| 05:34.03 | xoz | mud: try touch |
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| 05:34.13 | WauloK | 2.4 is not new but it may be more stable than 2.6.11.5 .. duno |
| 05:34.20 | mud | xoz whats touch? |
| 05:34.46 | cafuego | WauloK: A precompiled sarge kenrel (2.6.9 I think at the moment) should be right then. |
| 05:34.52 | xoz | man touch. you need to update timestamp of the file that maybe in the future tense |
| 05:34.56 | WauloK | cafuego : thanks! |
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| 05:35.15 | cafuego | mud: missing libncurses5-dev then. |
| 05:35.25 | cafuego | WauloK: just pick the one fo your cpu type. |
| 05:35.37 | Gandalf_vhcs | xoz: why do i have to install two DNS servers since all packets to port 53(tcp/udp) are forwarded from/to the server, if i entered public not private ips, the DNS will resolve right but apache cannot resolve the domain (he forward to the default page), i thought about making the server outside and behind it the router to all the other PCs so kinda like the server is my ISP, i tried it i couldn't connect eth1 to eth0 |
| 05:35.58 | WauloK | latest in that cache-list is 2.6.8 |
| 05:36.03 | cafuego | Gandalf_vhcs: You don't need to install two DNS servers. |
| 05:36.09 | cafuego | WauloK: That'll do, then. |
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| 05:36.24 | mud | 5-dev |
| 05:36.28 | xoz | Gandalf_vhcs: what about firewall? |
| 05:36.52 | Gandalf_vhcs | xoz: that's the problem i don't know anything about iptables |
| 05:36.53 | mud | cafuego i have libncurses5-dev |
| 05:37.00 | cafuego | Gandalf_vhcs: You can make bind9 listen on both eth0 and eth1 and use 'views' to use specific zone definitions for either network. |
| 05:37.13 | cafuego | mud: What error did menuconfig give you, then? |
| 05:37.16 | xoz | Gandalf_vhcs: try shorewall.. it is trivial without the need to know iptable |
| 05:37.28 | Gandalf_vhcs | ok |
| 05:37.46 | WauloK | kernel-image-2.6.8-2-k7 - Linux kernel image for version 2.6.8 on AMD K7. << That one for amx XP 1800+ ? |
| 05:37.52 | cafuego | WauloK: Yes. |
| 05:37.57 | WauloK | tnx caf!! |
| 05:38.04 | Gandalf_vhcs | cafuego: i don't need two eth card just to solve the DNS problem and maybe without making the server outside |
| 05:38.53 | cafuego | Gandalf_vhcs: Do I understand correctly if I presume you cannot usr your dns server to lookup outside names? |
| 05:38.55 | mud | cafuego the clock error.. but i just did it again and got no error ntpdate seems to have done it |
| 05:39.03 | cafuego | mud: odd |
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| 05:39.07 | xoz | Gandalf_vhcs: and enable ip_forwarding |
| 05:39.40 | Gandalf_vhcs | cafuego: no the reverse outside get my dns for my domains hosted on the server |
| 05:39.49 | mud | cafuego i thought odd too ive had debian installs before and clock was always fine |
| 05:39.50 | Gandalf_vhcs | xoz: i already forwarded them |
| 05:40.24 | xoz | Gandalf_vhcs: how many public ip you have? |
| 05:40.29 | Gandalf_vhcs | 1 |
| 05:40.41 | xoz | and the server is using it? |
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| 05:41.45 | xoz | Gandalf_vhcs: if the server is using private ip, you need firewall |
| 05:41.57 | mrhemlock | !test |
| 05:41.57 | dpkg | Yes, mrhemlock, you're still online. |
| 05:42.00 | xoz | or at least NAT |
| 05:42.17 | cafuego | xoz: or just add the other Ip to listen-on {} |
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| 05:42.56 | Gandalf_vhcs | xoz: i have firewall the IPCOP http://www.ipcop.org and the ports 80/53/25 etc... are forwarded from the RED to ORANGE, in case you don't know them, from internet to the server |
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| 05:43.57 | DemisM | I have 512 mb of ram any idea why I'm using 468 of it? |
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| 05:44.24 | cafuego | DemisM: is that a problem? |
| 05:44.42 | DemisM | seems odd... I don't have much running |
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| 05:44.51 | cafuego | DemisM: Oh, user error. |
| 05:45.05 | cafuego | DemisM: free ram is wasted ram, so Linux doesn't waste it. |
| 05:45.24 | cafuego | DemisM: It uses "free" ram as file cache. if it needs it, it frees up and reallocates to applications. |
| 05:45.46 | DemisM | so I can open about ten apps and I'll be fine? |
| 05:45.50 | cafuego | DemisM: yep |
| 05:46.01 | cafuego | DemisM: it'll just decreatse the file cache size until the apps fit. |
| 05:46.17 | cafuego | DemisM: run 'free' and see the 'cached' column |
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| 05:46.22 | xoz | preemptive memory management |
| 05:46.47 | cafuego | DemisM: I have 1GB of ram and 500Mb of that is used as cache at the moment. |
| 05:47.10 | dak | bleh |
| 05:47.23 | jesus_f | Can anyone direct me to the e17 channel...it seems im at the wrong place |
| 05:47.27 | cafuego | DemisM: Along the same lines, it might start using swap to park unused apps, so it can reclaim *their* ram and use that as file cache. |
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| 05:47.43 | DemisM | oh it says 355224 cached |
| 05:47.49 | dak | so |
| 05:47.58 | DemisM | neat |
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| 05:48.18 | dak | anyone use a geforce4 440 go ? cuz x crashes like 20 mins once i start it up |
| 05:48.26 | dak | locks the comp up |
| 05:48.50 | jesus_f | were is the e17 channel ? |
| 05:49.51 | jesus_f | in case no one knows.....e17 is the enlightment beta |
| 05:50.02 | jesus_f | it seems this is general debian |
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| 05:50.14 | jesus_f | i need help with something else... |
| 05:50.41 | mrhemlock | !tell jesus_f about ask |
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| 05:51.09 | DemisM | wow gimp starts about ten times faster than it does on windows |
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| 05:51.17 | zamolxes | wow |
| 05:51.26 | DemisM | ok, 100x |
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| 05:51.48 | zamolxes | wow |
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| 05:52.27 | DemisM | do any of you use mplayer, if so did you guys install it from the repositories or from the tar balls? |
| 05:52.35 | Tweak`TG-Owner | hi all, im looking at my top, and under the TIME+ cat it says 3:41.21 but its not going up by 1s, it goes up randomly. The clock on the top top is going up 1 second at a time though (I have my update rate at 1 second) what is TIME+? |
| 05:52.40 | jesus_f | Hello. Im sorry if im being rude...Im just new and abit confused |
| 05:53.11 | xoz | !ask |
| 05:53.11 | dpkg | If you have a question, just ask away on channel. If somebody knows, they'll answer :) For best results, be specific, informative, complete, concise and on-topic! Don't ask if you can ask a question first. Also don't ask if anyone uses/knows about foo. Please don't be demanding or insulting. Remember, we're all volunteers. Finally, please don't /msg people without permission or demand an answer from one particular person. Thanks! |
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| 05:53.25 | Gnea | jesus_f: E is maintained in #e |
| 05:53.46 | jesus_f | Thank you all very much :D |
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| 05:55.59 | mud | my main volume resets to 0 every time i restart is this normal? |
| 05:56.30 | Gnea | mud: probably |
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| 05:57.00 | mud | Gnea probably doesnt help |
| 05:57.04 | xoz | mud: install aumix |
| 05:57.15 | Tweak`TG-Owner | does anybody know what TIME+ in top is? |
| 05:57.25 | mud | xoz thx |
| 05:57.51 | TBBle | Tweak`TG-Owner: That's time spent on a CPU. |
| 05:57.52 | Gnea | mud: vague answers to vague questions |
| 05:58.16 | xoz | Tweak`TG-Owner: man top |
| 05:58.31 | Tweak`TG-Owner | TBBle oh ok |
| 05:58.41 | C17H21NO4 | DemisM: from the repository. |
| 05:58.58 | mud | Gnea how much more specific can i be? my volume resets to 0 as in i have turn turn it up every time i restart |
| 05:59.37 | TBBle | mud: Are you using ALSA? This is addressed in the alsa-base documentation, as I recall. |
| 05:59.56 | DemisM | C17H21NO4, in the unofficial packages section? |
| 06:00.00 | Gnea | mud: what audio driver are you using: OSS or ALSA? do you have any sound libraries installed? what kernel version? did you compile the kernel yourself or did you just use a stock kernel? |
| 06:00.02 | mud | yes alsa ill check it out |
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| 06:00.12 | C17H21NO4 | DemisM: yes |
| 06:00.21 | mud | Gnea oh i see what u mean |
| 06:00.34 | Gnea | mud: and that's just scratching the surface :) |
| 06:00.39 | xoz | restart/shutdown resets all hardware state. aumix saves the state on reboot/restart/off |
| 06:00.48 | mud | Gnea excuse a noob |
| 06:01.01 | Gnea | it's all good |
| 06:01.13 | mud | party on |
| 06:01.24 | Gnea | mud: usually there's soemthing for that in /etc/default/ |
| 06:01.54 | xoz | Gnea: those info are not needed. his description is perfect. all sound state is reset during shutdown |
| 06:01.59 | DemisM | one last thing, I want to get the ati drivers but they are all in *.rpm format, what do I do? |
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| 06:02.18 | Gnea | xoz: are you saying i'm wrong? |
| 06:02.18 | TBBle | !dpkg ati |
| 06:02.18 | dpkg | Ask me about <ati drivers>. Or see http://www.linuxvideo.org to learn how to set up the all in wonder, or see http://gatos.sourceforge.net/, or non-free drivers at schneider-digital.de, or the excellent AcceleratedX from http://www.xig.com, or wait for the next XFree release The XF86 developers are lazy and not using ATI's patches, blame them and not ATI. http://xoomer.virgilio.it/flavio.stanchina/debian/fglrx-installer.html |
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| 06:02.35 | mud | i didnt have aumix i suspect that will fix it |
| 06:02.38 | Gnea | !alien |
| 06:02.38 | dpkg | extra, extra, read all about it, alien is a program which allows one to convert from one package format to another: slackware to redhat, redhat to debian, debian to slackware, redhat to slackware, etc... it can handle stampede .slp packages as well, or some slimy, green, bug-like, creepy creature from outerspace that came to Earth to have sex with agent Scully, or at http://kitenet.net/programs/alien/ |
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| 06:02.50 | xoz | Gnea: im saying your info is redundant. you don't need those stuffs. |
| 06:03.05 | TBBle | Alsa also has a save-restore volume functionality, I think it's a debconf question, and mentioned in the docs. |
| 06:03.21 | Gnea | xoz: hello, welcome to the world of linux, where there are 60 billion ways to do accomplish one thing. |
| 06:03.25 | xoz | alsa has save/restore but cant be trusted |
| 06:03.39 | xoz | Gnea: still not a good argument. |
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| 06:03.57 | Gnea | xoz: you're right, the truth is never a good argument |
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| 06:04.25 | xoz | Gnea: have you encoutered this problem? because i sure do. what's your solution? |
| 06:04.59 | Gnea | in /etc/default/alsa |
| 06:05.01 | Gnea | alsactl_store_on_shutdown="always autosave" |
| 06:05.12 | Gnea | xoz: now, uhm, what? |
| 06:05.25 | zakaelri | greetings, everyone. I just recently broke my debian install. I am wondering if there is a way I can force apt to reinstall a package. (Without reinstalling packages that depend on it) |
| 06:05.35 | xoz | Gnea: that's cool. you should have said it before. you just wasted our time |
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| 06:05.48 | xoz | beating around the *bush* |
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| 06:05.58 | mud | bush sucks |
| 06:06.02 | Gnea | dude |
| 06:06.07 | Gnea | i didn't vote that fucker in |
| 06:06.15 | Gnea | not my fault he's there |
| 06:06.27 | mud | it is too ur fault |
| 06:06.33 | TBBle | zakaelri: If it's only broken in that package, as opposed to the package database being broken, you can use dpkg -i /var/cache/apt/archives/pkgfile.deb if it's still there. |
| 06:06.34 | Gnea | ... |
| 06:06.49 | dak | anyone use a geforce4 440 go ? cuz x crashes like 20 mins once i start it up and then the comp locks up also i cant switch to console from x or it locks up also |
| 06:06.54 | Gnea | i wasted no one's time. |
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| 06:07.13 | zakaelri | TBBle: and if it isn't? (Thanks, by the way) Do I have to download the package manually? |
| 06:07.20 | xoz | dak: tried google? |
| 06:07.27 | dak | yeah xoz |
| 06:07.29 | dak | always |
| 06:07.32 | Gnea | xoz: it helps for newbies to look around the system, sometimes they'll find something else that will help them in another problem |
| 06:07.39 | dak | for the past day |
| 06:07.42 | Gnea | thus |
| 06:07.51 | TBBle | zakaelri: Hmm. Dunno. Futz with manpages for apt, but I personally would just go and download it manually. |
| 06:07.56 | Gnea | xoz: it is you who is wasting the time stating that i wasted your time. |
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| 06:08.07 | zakaelri | TBBle: thanks, dude. You're a lifesaver :) |
| 06:08.08 | Gnea | and now, yes, i am wasting time. |
| 06:08.11 | zakaelri | cyaZ, all. |
| 06:08.17 | TBBle | zakaelri: No wuckers. ^_^ |
| 06:08.30 | dak | gnea its not worth fighting |
| 06:08.37 | Gnea | dak: exactly. |
| 06:08.43 | dak | so chill then |
| 06:08.44 | Gnea | sorry i quit smoking last week |
| 06:08.57 | Gnea | i have these .. episodes once in awhile :) |
| 06:09.04 | Gnea | smoked for years |
| 06:09.11 | DemisM | how do I find out what kernel I have, or how to see if I already have the src |
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| 06:09.21 | Gnea | anyhow |
| 06:09.22 | dak | i will never quit smoking |
| 06:09.31 | Gnea | DemisM: cat /proc/version |
| 06:09.31 | jesus_f | ? |
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| 06:09.52 | Gnea | dak: 0000:03:00.0 VGA compatible controller: nVidia Corporation NV17 [GeForce4 MX 440] (rev a3) like that? |
| 06:10.00 | ZCorker | Debby is sick. |
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| 06:10.22 | Gnea | ZCorker: get her drugs |
| 06:10.38 | aardvark | in soviet russia, drugs get you |
| 06:10.43 | Gnea | hehe :) |
| 06:10.57 | nevyn | quite. |
| 06:10.58 | dak | yean gnea |
| 06:10.59 | DemisM | how can I check to see if I had the kernel source? |
| 06:11.05 | dak | some thin like that |
| 06:11.08 | ZCorker | I just installed Debby and I am getting a strange extra boot screen. Looks like the boot menu is an extra boot menu in addition to the one that comes with win2k. How do i delete one of them and still get deby regular without all this extra ?? |
| 06:11.10 | dak | but mine isnt a mx |
| 06:11.13 | dak | its a go |
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| 06:11.16 | dak | for laptops |
| 06:11.20 | Gnea | oic |
| 06:11.24 | Gnea | still |
| 06:11.27 | dak | yeah still |
| 06:11.30 | dak | uhm |
| 06:11.33 | Gnea | dak: what driver version u on? |
| 06:11.35 | dak | what kernel you running |
| 06:11.37 | dak | the latest |
| 06:11.41 | ZCorker | I am running a desktop and win2k, dos, and debian Linux. Managematois boot. |
| 06:11.45 | Gnea | i've done laptop nvidia stuff |
| 06:11.53 | Gnea | 2.6.10 |
| 06:11.57 | Gnea | yeah |
| 06:11.58 | dak | 1.0-7167 |
| 06:12.03 | dak | on 2.4.29 |
| 06:12.10 | oKtosiTe | Will kernel 2.6.9 or 2.6.10 be available in Sarge? If so, when? |
| 06:12.13 | Gnea | NVRM version: NVIDIA Linux x86 NVIDIA Kernel Module 1.0-7167 Fri Feb 25 09:08:22 PST 2005 |
| 06:12.14 | Gnea | GCC version: gcc version 3.4.4 20041218 (prerelease) (Debian 3.4.3-6) |
| 06:12.15 | dak | i was thinking of going to 2.6 just to see if it will work better |
| 06:12.22 | dak | im on sid |
| 06:12.24 | ZCorker | I need helep. |
| 06:12.35 | Gnea | oKtosiTe: you can get the .deb from sid and install/compile it in sarge with no problem, that's what i did |
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| 06:12.47 | Gnea | i used to use sid until printing broke |
| 06:13.02 | TBBle | oKtosiTe: I don't think they will be. I'm pretty sure it'll stay at 2.6.8.1 |
| 06:13.25 | oKtosiTe | Gnea, I'm happy sticking with kernel-images, if I can expect any... |
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| 06:13.36 | Gnea | oKtosiTe: well you can give 'em a shot... |
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| 06:13.53 | oKtosiTe | TBBle, I have a USB HDD enclosure, which only seems to work well with 2.6.9 and higher... |
| 06:13.58 | Gnea | dak: i have no choice but to run 2.6 on this system |
| 06:14.10 | Gnea | most of the system won't operate w/o it heh |
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| 06:14.20 | ZCorker | Can someone help me with Debby? She is a real problem. |
| 06:14.27 | Gnea | plus 2.6 runs much faster than 2.4 |
| 06:14.49 | dak | who says 2.6 is faster then 2.4 |
| 06:14.53 | TBBle | oKtosiTe: You can _probaly_ just grab the kernel-image .deb and install it. |
| 06:14.53 | Gnea | i do. |
| 06:14.54 | dak | like any stats on that |
| 06:14.54 | Gnea | >:) |
| 06:14.58 | Gnea | like |
| 06:14.58 | dimka-212 | hi i've been trying to get my webcam to work, and my sound stopped working after a reboot... can anyone help me set up sound? |
| 06:14.59 | oKtosiTe | dak, runs faster for me |
| 06:15.00 | Gnea | boot it up |
| 06:15.02 | dak | im on a p4 laptop so |
| 06:15.03 | Gnea | and see for yourself |
| 06:15.09 | Gnea | yeah |
| 06:15.09 | dak | i figure 2.6 is bigger and more over head |
| 06:15.12 | Gnea | you'll see a difference |
| 06:15.15 | Gnea | naw man |
| 06:15.27 | Gnea | the kernel source tree itself may be bigger |
| 06:15.32 | oKtosiTe | dak, more optimized for newer hardware |
| 06:15.39 | Gnea | but that doesn't mean a thing |
| 06:15.43 | dak | this hardware is kinda old |
| 06:15.46 | dak | 2 years |
| 06:15.53 | Gnea | it'll run faster then |
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| 06:16.04 | dak | i dunno |
| 06:16.07 | Gnea | i do |
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| 06:16.10 | dak | im going to try 2.6 just for video |
| 06:16.12 | oKtosiTe | 2 years isn't that old... my 7 year old server runs 2.6 |
| 06:16.16 | dak | fix the freezing i hope |
| 06:16.26 | dak | oKtosiTe im just saying new hardware |
| 06:16.27 | dimka-212 | can someone help me to set up sound to work on my machine |
| 06:16.30 | revelater | hey, how do i open a .dep package? |
| 06:16.30 | dak | its nothin that new in this laptop |
| 06:16.36 | revelater | .deb |
| 06:16.41 | dak | revel its a gzip file |
| 06:16.42 | Gnea | dak: give it a shot - make sure you have module-init-tools installed to |
| 06:16.43 | Gnea | too |
| 06:16.55 | dak | yeah i do |
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| 06:17.06 | TBBle | revelater: dpkg. The man page should be more elucidatious. |
| 06:17.06 | dimka-212 | revelater: dpkg -i package.deb |
| 06:17.07 | revelater | isn't it supposed to be an install package? |
| 06:17.20 | revelater | oh thnks |
| 06:17.33 | Gnea | dak: you shouldn't have many problems tho - biggest hurdle is getting used to the new configuration method |
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| 06:17.43 | dak | iv used 2.6 |
| 06:17.48 | biovore | anyone remember what the package name was to get smbmount? |
| 06:17.50 | dak | on a few boxes |
| 06:17.55 | dimka-212 | anyone can help me to set up sound? |
| 06:17.55 | oKtosiTe | dimka, please don't repeat, if someone is able to help, they will, you might try giving more specific info on your situation, such as the debian release you're using, which kernel you boot, and what kind of hardware you're trying to get to work |
| 06:18.04 | Gnea | oh ok then you shouldn't have too many problems then |
| 06:18.05 | dak | <PROTECTED> |
| 06:18.07 | TBBle | biovore: It's not smbmount? |
| 06:18.16 | dimka-212 | OktosiTe, ok, sorry |
| 06:18.18 | Gnea | dak: ok but were those stock or did you build them yourself? |
| 06:18.21 | dak | didnt add really anything new besidese what i needed |
| 06:18.23 | dak | built my self |
| 06:18.25 | biovore | smbmount isn't a valid package.. :-/ |
| 06:18.35 | Gnea | hrm |
| 06:18.38 | dak | the 2.4 built my self was smaller then the 2.6 i built my self |
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| 06:18.43 | oKtosiTe | dimka-212, we all have to learn at some point >;-) |
| 06:18.54 | Gnea | yeah but it's a completely different method |
| 06:18.59 | Gnea | really can't compare 'em like that |
| 06:19.02 | TBBle | Hmm. Easy way would be to search on packages.debian.org, or install apt-file. But I can tell you, it's smbfs |
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| 06:19.10 | zamolxes | biovore, try smbfs |
| 06:19.12 | dak | so |
| 06:19.19 | dak | did you compile agpart ? |
| 06:19.21 | dak | in the kernel |
| 06:19.25 | Gnea | it doesn't impact performance just because of a few thousand bytes |
| 06:19.31 | dak | or did you use the nvidia one from the patch file |
| 06:19.36 | oKtosiTe | s/agpart/agpgart/ |
| 06:19.53 | Gnea | well some systems use it and some don't |
| 06:19.54 | biovore | looks like that it, thanks zamolxes |
| 06:19.58 | Gnea | yours might and it might not |
| 06:20.04 | Gnea | i made it a module |
| 06:20.05 | dak | so uhm |
| 06:20.06 | zamolxes | biovore, please try to use apt-cache search/show more often. there's also a nice debian reference at http://qref.sf.net :) |
| 06:20.13 | dak | what do i load in the xconf file |
| 06:20.16 | Gnea | and then just set the NVagp option in the xconf file |
| 06:20.18 | dak | if im not using agpart |
| 06:20.25 | Gnea | well |
| 06:20.40 | oKtosiTe | dak: "agpgart"! |
| 06:20.41 | Gnea | NVAGP="1" will make it *not* use agpgart |
| 06:20.52 | dak | i have nvagp setin the conf now, and i have agpart built in the 2.4 kernel |
| 06:20.55 | dak | is that wrong ? |
| 06:21.02 | dak | xoz uhm |
| 06:21.09 | oKtosiTe | dak: agp_G_art |
| 06:21.11 | dak | yeh |
| 06:21.18 | dak | oKtosiTe i know but relax |
| 06:21.28 | Gnea | lol |
| 06:21.43 | dak | so gnea |
| 06:21.47 | dak | what should i use |
| 06:21.53 | dak | keep using nvagp |
| 06:21.55 | jm_ | use whatever works |
| 06:22.00 | dak | even tho i have that built into the kernel |
| 06:22.02 | Gnea | i would do this - recompile with agpgart as a module |
| 06:22.03 | dak | jm its not workin |
| 06:22.06 | Gnea | that way you can switch |
| 06:22.07 | xoz | stop using too much <enter> |
| 06:22.17 | dak | it crashes a few mins into it and or when i switch from x to console |
| 06:22.19 | Gnea | xoz: piss off |
| 06:22.23 | jm_ | dak: then read the troubleshooting section in README file |
| 06:22.30 | dak | blah i did |
| 06:22.37 | xoz | dak? gnea? my screen is scrolling wildly. the same person, really. |
| 06:22.42 | jm_ | that and #nvidia is your best option |
| 06:22.56 | oKtosiTe | lol |
| 06:22.56 | dak | no ones on |
| 06:23.04 | Gnea | wow |
| 06:23.10 | Gnea | this channel supports what? debian? |
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| 06:23.18 | transgress | ummm yeah |
| 06:23.23 | Gnea | we're talking about what? a problem that exists within debian? |
| 06:23.28 | Gnea | thus |
| 06:24.01 | xoz | !enter |
| 06:24.01 | dpkg | The enter key or carriage return key is not a substitute for punctuation. Use a period '.', comma ',', colon ':', semi-colon ';' emdash '---', or ellipsis '...' instead. |
| 06:24.23 | dak | xoz, is anyone really talking right now besides us to ? no |
| 06:24.23 | dak | if so we would msg ? |
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| 06:24.26 | dak | so whats it really matter ? |
| 06:24.45 | Gnea | dak: best bet: recompile the kernel with agpgart as a module and try different options from there |
| 06:24.53 | transgress | because it makes it harder for those of us that just popped in to read when our screen has scrolled because of 3 word lines |
| 06:24.55 | Guerin | dak: don't encourage other people to think it's a good idea |
| 06:25.13 | TBBle | And people say the Debian-devel mailing list is out of step with Debian users because it's 50% flamewars... |
| 06:25.16 | xoz | transgress: well said |
| 06:25.17 | Gnea | dak: i had to mess with some settings to get it to work on an AMD64 laptop.. they introduced a lot of new ones |
| 06:25.42 | dak | im not, im just trying to figure out the logic of getting mad at 2 people for talking, we arent bugging others, so what you have scroll on your screen 700 some people in a chan what can you expect ? |
| 06:25.52 | Guerin | TBBle: yeah, should be more like 75% |
| 06:25.59 | Gnea | then don't read the channel or go elsewhere if you can't handle debian-related chatter in a debian channel |
| 06:26.07 | Guerin | dak: stop whining |
| 06:26.09 | Gnea | fucking morons |
| 06:26.12 | TBBle | Guerin: Heh. ^_^ |
| 06:26.39 | transgress | Gnea or you could not talk like a moron. perhaps use some punctuation. |
| 06:26.56 | xoz | there are 761 people here. so, stick with the rules here. stop using too many <enter> |
| 06:26.57 | Gnea | who made you the grammar police? |
| 06:28.03 | transgress | it has become quite apparent that i need a cigarette... because some people are just fscking retarded. |
| 06:28.34 | Gnea | i have gone 6 days now without a cigarette. |
| 06:28.36 | Gnea | i am winning. |
| 06:28.44 | Guerin | yeah, everyone knows I'm the Chief of the Grammar Police |
| 06:28.49 | Gnea | lol |
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| 06:29.06 | Guerin | !llistvals grammar |
| 06:29.10 | Guerin | !listvals grammar |
| 06:29.13 | dpkg | Factoid search of 'grammar' by value (6): grammer ;; apostrophe ;; language ;; qotd12 ;; spelling ability ;; ebnf. |
| 06:29.18 | Guerin | !qotd12 |
| 06:29.18 | dpkg | <thomas_adam> mwilson is the only person I know that manages to use 'idiot' as a noun. :) * thomas_adam laughs <ricky_clarkson> thomas_adam: idiot *is* a noun. <mwilson> It IS a noun. <initech> thomas_adam: err .. it is a noun <Guerin> thomas_adam: how else does one use it? * thomas_adam laughs -- no no, nevermind. :) <Guerin> we have been trolled, fellow grammar nazis |
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| 06:29.52 | Guerin | that gratuitous waste of screen space was brought to you by countable and non-countable nouns |
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| 06:30.25 | transgress | haha |
| 06:30.58 | xoz | heh |
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| 06:31.12 | vexer | is it possible to make it so that when i do "ls" it does "ls -lah" |
| 06:31.25 | Gnea | vexer: alias ls='ls -lah' |
| 06:31.29 | Guerin | anything's possible |
| 06:31.38 | vexer | lol yea i guess thbat's true with linux :) |
| 06:31.40 | vexer | thanks Gnea |
| 06:31.46 | Guerin | but don't alias ls to anything |
| 06:31.46 | Gnea | vexer: you can toss that in your ~/.bashrc it'll do it everytime |
| 06:32.03 | Guerin | make a new alias to lah or something |
| 06:32.06 | jm_ | they already are ls aliases in there, you'd just need to take a look once |
| 06:32.08 | Gnea | alias ls='reboot' |
| 06:32.09 | Gnea | ;) |
| 06:32.10 | Guerin | something you won't use when you need the real ls |
| 06:32.26 | Gnea | ok |
| 06:32.27 | vexer | Guerin, hmm |
| 06:32.30 | transgress | Gnea please refrain from troll comments... maybe? |
| 06:32.30 | Gnea | that was bad, i'm sorry |
| 06:32.54 | Gnea | transgress: you sure seem to know a lot about trolling... and xoz too, for that matter... |
| 06:33.16 | aardvark | lamers |
| 06:33.21 | vexer | heh sweet!!! i can "alias show='ls -lah' " |
| 06:33.22 | vexer | woah |
| 06:33.22 | vexer | nice |
| 06:33.32 | Gnea | yeah |
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| 06:33.39 | xoz | Gnea: please stop wasting time/bandwidth. |
| 06:33.47 | Guerin | Gnea: reboot: must be superuser |
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| 06:33.58 | Gnea | !troll xoz |
| 06:33.58 | aardvark | spambots |
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| 06:34.17 | aardvark | !ops souNd, Mehmet spambots |
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| 06:34.18 | dpkg | Hydroxide, bob2, caphuso, dondelelcaro, doogie, eeyore-, ElectricElf, greycat, helix, ljlane, LoRez, mentor, Netsnipe, TML, walters, xk: souNd, Mehmet spambots |
| 06:34.40 | aardvark | bah |
| 06:34.42 | Gnea | heh |
| 06:34.42 | Guerin | i wonder if adidaS changes nick when mentioned |
| 06:34.44 | aardvark | nickchanging spambots |
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| 06:35.02 | Guerin | nope, apparently not |
| 06:35.03 | _joey | adidaS and ZzZzZzZ are spamming |
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| 06:35.04 | aardvark | adidaS spambot |
| 06:35.07 | aardvark | ZzZzZzZ spambot |
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| 06:35.35 | inkedmn | is there a command-line utility for mp3 comparable to ogginfo for ogg? |
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| 06:36.04 | aardvark | bob2: you forgot ZzZzZzZ |
| 06:36.12 | Gnea | inkedmn: mp3info |
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| 06:36.22 | aardvark | ktnx |
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| 06:36.29 | aardvark | same ip |
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| 06:36.37 | bob2 | ah |
| 06:36.39 | aardvark | hmm |
| 06:36.44 | _joey | http://users.tpg.com.au/alexgne/smb.conf , could someone have a look at this config file and tell me why I can't write to shares ? |
| 06:36.46 | aardvark | Lgpbibw looks like one of those floodbots |
| 06:36.47 | _joey | please |
| 06:36.58 | aardvark | Lgpbibw: are you? |
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| 06:37.06 | TBBle | Oh, I like how you don't kick on freenode, you just politely ask someone to leave, with the force of the network behind the request. "An offer you can't refuse" |
| 06:37.12 | Guerin | goddmnmotherfucker |
| 06:37.20 | inkedmn | Gnea: cool, thanks! |
| 06:37.22 | Guerin | it's taken me all day to fail to get a dist-upgrade done |
| 06:37.31 | Gnea | _joey: which one? all? |
| 06:37.36 | Guerin | from a mirror which is less than 100km away on nothing but fiber |
| 06:37.38 | scarynetworkguy | !win Guerin |
| 06:37.38 | dpkg | Congratulations, Guerin! You have won second prize in a beauty contest! |
| 06:37.46 | _joey | Gnea yes |
| 06:37.49 | bob2 | TBBle: doesn't trigger lame rejoin scripts, usually |
| 06:37.52 | cafuego | TBBle: it's the only way... |
| 06:37.55 | _joey | both shares are not writable |
| 06:38.13 | Guerin | neither share is writable |
| 06:38.52 | _joey | Guerin how to I make it writable? |
| 06:38.54 | nagual_ | hm |
| 06:39.01 | aardvark | hmmm |
| 06:39.04 | aardvark | lithuania. |
| 06:39.07 | Guerin | _joey: I don't know, all I know how to do is fix your grammar errors |
| 06:39.12 | Gnea | _joey: try this: obey pam restrictions = yes |
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| 06:39.32 | Gnea | _joey: that should go under [global] |
| 06:39.38 | bob2 | a very tiny lithuanian netblock |
| 06:39.50 | _joey | Gnea hold on |
| 06:40.04 | Gnea | _joey: also check permissions |
| 06:40.07 | cafuego | Hmm. aardvarken |
| 06:40.09 | dak | Guerin why do you care about others grammar errors ? |
| 06:40.18 | _joey | Gnea permissions are 0777 |
| 06:40.24 | Gnea | dak: he's being sarcastic |
| 06:40.26 | cafuego | aardvark: test |
| 06:40.38 | Gnea | _joey: egads... ok |
| 06:40.52 | dak | i knew that gnea cuz me and you are the same person :p |
| 06:40.54 | cafuego | aardvark: smerige groundhog |
| 06:41.04 | Gnea | oh yeah huh ;P |
| 06:41.06 | aardvark | cafuego: miereneter, lullo. |
| 06:41.15 | cafuego | aardvarken: NEE-EE! |
| 06:41.17 | Gnea | dak: i forgot i keep talking to myself |
| 06:41.22 | dak | its hard |
| 06:41.28 | _joey | Gnea Still , I can't write to shares |
| 06:41.44 | Gnea | _joey: what OS are you doing this from? |
| 06:41.55 | _joey | Gnea Linux |
| 06:42.00 | Gnea | but |
| 06:42.01 | Gnea | i mean |
| 06:42.03 | _joey | from, WIn XP |
| 06:42.03 | bvs | anybody have an idea why a system would completely freeze when i put a cd in the cdrom? :) |
| 06:42.08 | Gnea | oh |
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| 06:42.13 | cafuego | bvs: karma |
| 06:42.35 | bvs | cafuego, damn, that's what i thought :( |
| 06:42.36 | holo | hi |
| 06:42.42 | Gnea | bvs: the cd is really a piece of horse dung in disguise |
| 06:42.53 | bvs | Gnea, it happens with all cds |
| 06:42.58 | transgress | bvs: go donate to the homeless and then try again. |
| 06:43.01 | Gnea | bvs: dude! |
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| 06:43.09 | TBBle | bvs: Does it _ever_ recover? |
| 06:43.21 | bvs | TBBle, no, it just freezes |
| 06:43.31 | transgress | bvs: did you check dmesg? |
| 06:43.44 | bvs | transgress, for? |
| 06:44.01 | cafuego | bvs: Sounds like you have an automounter doing bad things[tm] |
| 06:44.07 | Gnea | _joey: ok, well let's just do pub then - try adding these options: create mode = 0700, use client driver = yes |
| 06:44.15 | Gnea | er |
| 06:44.15 | Gnea | oops |
| 06:44.23 | Gnea | _joey: skip the client driver one |
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| 06:44.24 | transgress | bvs: for an error involving the cdrom |
| 06:44.25 | bvs | cafuego, yeah |
| 06:44.25 | holo | how do i make amule rerun after it crashes? i was thinking making it with while loop, how do i make it? |
| 06:44.46 | cafuego | holo: Replace it with software that doesn't crash. |
| 06:44.55 | Gnea | bvs: what's your /etc/fstab entry for it? |
| 06:45.09 | holo | cafuego, haha there is no option, any other suggestions ? :p |
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| 06:45.47 | bvs | Gnea, /dev/hdc /media/cdrom0 blabla etc |
| 06:45.54 | bvs | standard |
| 06:46.04 | _joey | Gnea Nope |
| 06:46.11 | Gnea | bvs: blabla and etc don't appear to be valid fstab options. |
| 06:46.24 | transgress | holo: figure out why it crashes? |
| 06:46.33 | bvs | <PROTECTED> |
| 06:46.34 | Gnea | _joey: hrm ok - get rid of create mode and read only |
| 06:46.35 | bvs | there then |
| 06:46.44 | bvs | nothing wrong with it anyway |
| 06:46.56 | _joey | ohhh |
| 06:46.59 | _joey | it works |
| 06:47.05 | _joey | :)) |
| 06:47.07 | Gnea | :) |
| 06:47.29 | _joey | thanks |
| 06:47.31 | xoz | bvs: dirty drive? are you sure the drive is ok? tried it in windows. possible that the head needs cleaning |
| 06:47.48 | kaa41 | heh.. thats the one thing I never got working at all in Debian... my DVD drives |
| 06:47.58 | kaa41 | im sure its my laziness at fault |
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| 06:48.24 | Gnea | bvs: do you have any kernel commands set for the drive? |
| 06:48.30 | bvs | Gnea, no |
| 06:48.49 | transgress | bvs: do you have an linux live cd's? |
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| 06:48.58 | Gnea | bvs: incidentally, what make/model drive is it? |
| 06:48.58 | transgress | *any |
| 06:49.02 | bvs | xoz, same thing happens with when i try my burner |
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| 06:49.32 | SexyKen | Anyone know of any PPO's that will allow a company to offer benefits to employee's all over the US? |
| 06:49.33 | xoz | bvs: what module you use for the drive? ide-cd? |
| 06:49.39 | bvs | yes |
| 06:49.50 | jm_ | bvs: then figure out what happens when you insert a CD |
| 06:49.58 | xoz | bvs: can you boot from the cd? |
| 06:50.16 | Guerin | SexyKen: ENODEBIAN |
| 06:50.21 | bvs | xoz, yes |
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| 06:50.37 | Gnea | Guerin: dude, i make so much money with that! |
| 06:50.51 | Guerin | Gnea: debian remixed by brian eno? |
| 06:51.00 | Guerin | like... wall of software... |
| 06:51.02 | Gnea | Guerin: lol |
| 06:51.20 | transgress | bvs: if you have a linux live cd see if you can boot from it and use it... |
| 06:51.27 | Gnea | naw man, i'm trying to find a new job now |
| 06:51.34 | xoz | try tail -f /var/log/syslog and check the message when you insert the cd. try disabling automount daemon if you have |
| 06:51.39 | Gnea | this month has been hell.. |
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| 06:52.33 | Gnea | Guerin: you heard about that priest that went on a shooting spree in a church near milwaukee? |
| 06:52.44 | simonrvn | @apostrophe |
| 06:52.47 | ravenbird | The apostrophe (') is used to indicate a possessive (Debian's distribution) or a contraction (o'er the deep blue sea). It is *not* used for plurals. Special note: "it's" is a contraction of "it is", whereas "its" is a possessive pronoun. Please don't mix them up. http://www.english.vt.edu/~grammar/graphics/bobsqu.gif |
| 06:52.50 | xoz | bvs: and make sure ide-scsi is also loaded |
| 06:52.56 | x_or | I tried creating my own partition table, and think I screwed up. Does this appear strange? |
| 06:53.04 | Guerin | Gnea: too much cheese for that man |
| 06:53.10 | x_or | fdisk -l /dev/hda returns this: /dev/hda1 1 496 249921 82 Linux swap |
| 06:53.10 | x_or | Partition 1 does not end on cylinder boundary: |
| 06:53.16 | x_or | With other liines... |
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| 06:53.26 | Gnea | Guerin: heh, i had an interview just down the street from it just over a week before it occurred... |
| 06:53.34 | Guerin | Gnea: eep |
| 06:53.41 | Gnea | like uh |
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| 06:53.47 | Gnea | do i wanna job there ?! |
| 06:53.56 | Gnea | why did i move out of ny again ?! |
| 06:54.09 | Guerin | Gnea: i got some american cheese the other day, and I have to say, if that's all wisconsin has going for it, I wouldn't want a job there either |
| 06:54.21 | Gnea | heh... |
| 06:54.24 | Guerin | oh, but they do beer too, right? |
| 06:54.34 | Gnea | actually the cheese selection is quite vast here |
| 06:54.38 | Guerin | and the violent femmes come from milwaukee |
| 06:54.41 | Gnea | sure do |
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| 06:54.44 | Gnea | milwaukees best |
| 06:54.51 | Gnea | which reminds me |
| 06:54.54 | Gnea | i gotta get some |
| 06:55.08 | Gnea | haven't had a drink in months |
| 06:55.18 | Guerin | my wife has been trying to get to a vf concert for about the last fifteen years... she's always out of town or the country when they play |
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| 06:55.24 | Gnea | too... sober... must... resist.... |
| 06:55.37 | Guerin | heh |
| 06:55.38 | Gnea | i'm a single mofo |
| 06:55.56 | Guerin | we were out and drinking sat night, and a bunch of korean lads tried to go us with bricks |
| 06:56.03 | Guerin | there were four of us, and seven of them |
| 06:56.13 | Gnea | as in, literal bricks? |
| 06:56.24 | Guerin | building bricks, yeah |
| 06:56.29 | Gnea | wtf... |
| 06:56.30 | transgress | go you? |
| 06:56.31 | Gnea | where u at again? |
| 06:56.36 | Guerin | korea |
| 06:56.36 | ZCorker | After installing Debby, "my computer" in Win2k won't come up -- not even with a refresh. |
| 06:56.42 | Gnea | ooookay |
| 06:56.54 | transgress | ZCorker that sounds like a win2k problem |
| 06:56.59 | simonrvn | do we look like #windows? |
| 06:56.59 | JoePenguin | and then you defeated them with drunken boxing? |
| 06:57.03 | Gnea | why'd they attack you and is that accepted behavior in public in korea? |
| 06:57.13 | Guerin | there's a bit of a korean nationalism thing going on atm, regarding a little island in dispute with japan, and an article by an american guy about how to score korean chicks |
| 06:57.27 | Gnea | ROFL |
| 06:57.49 | Gnea | so THAT'S what it's all about - that whole nuclear weapons thing is just a smokescreen |
| 06:57.55 | Guerin | it ended relatively peacefully, only one of us had to get physical, the rest of us were just holding him back |
| 06:57.59 | Guerin | nonono |
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| 06:58.07 | Guerin | I'm in SOUTH korea |
| 06:58.08 | Gnea | they're afraid we're gonna score their chicks with our bigger dicks |
| 06:58.14 | Guerin | ... |
| 06:58.20 | Gnea | i'm j/k |
| 06:58.25 | Gnea | yeah, difference |
| 06:58.39 | Guerin | and then we got thrown out of a bar for being too noisy |
| 06:58.48 | Guerin | which happens pretty regularly, actually |
| 06:59.09 | Gnea | that's weird |
| 06:59.15 | oKtosiTe | ZCorker, sounds like misconfiguration on your part |
| 06:59.17 | Guerin | this has always puzzled me, since where I come from, bars are noisy places |
| 06:59.27 | ZCorker | The problem didn't occur before i installed Debian Linux. I am getting to loader menu's daisy chained together and I would like to get rid of one of them. How do I do it? |
| 06:59.29 | Gnea | i was gonna say... |
| 07:00.15 | Gnea | ZCorker: what bootloader you using? |
| 07:00.17 | simonrvn | ZCorker: maybe it's telling you somethiiiiing ;) |
| 07:00.25 | simonrvn | s/iiiii/i/ |
| 07:00.45 | Guerin | simonrvn: take your parkinson's med again |
| 07:00.47 | oKtosiTe | ZCorker, Debian doesn't behave that way by default, how about giving more info on which loaders you're talking about, which Debian release are you using? |
| 07:00.58 | _joey | Gnea I can write to top directories /home/pub and /tmp/mnt but not to subdirectories in these shares |
| 07:01.04 | _joey | :(( |
| 07:01.39 | simonrvn | Guerin: yeh, i forgot ;p |
| 07:01.50 | ZCorker | I downloaded debian-30r4-i386-binary-1.iso |
| 07:01.54 | Gnea | _joey: what does ls -l /home/pub return? |
| 07:01.54 | _joey | Gnea http://users.tpg.com.au/alexgne/smb.conf |
| 07:02.00 | Gnea | _joey: WAIT |
| 07:02.06 | Gnea | _joey: ls -ld /home/pub |
| 07:02.07 | _joey | 0777 |
| 07:02.10 | Gnea | is what i meant |
| 07:02.29 | simonrvn | here we go with the plural apostrophes again. |
| 07:02.34 | _joey | drwxrwxrwx 4 root root 4848 Mar 21 17:27 /home/pub |
| 07:02.43 | ZCorker | Please give me some options for loaders and I will tell you which one I installed. I recall it having an hdt something. |
| 07:02.56 | _joey | and drwxrwxrwx 7 root root 20480 Mar 21 17:28 /mnt |
| 07:03.05 | _joey | it 's /mnt instead of /tmp/mnt now |
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| 07:03.19 | streuner | ZCorker: what did you use, d-i (debian-installer sarge)? |
| 07:03.22 | Gnea | ZCorker: no you must tell me what loader you're using right now, you know which one is it when linux boots up |
| 07:03.45 | simonrvn | it says it on boot... |
| 07:03.53 | oKtosiTe | ZCorker, that's very vague... grub/lilo/boot.ini/sbm, etc. |
| 07:03.53 | Guerin | it's probably either grub or lilo |
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| 07:04.10 | C17H21NO4 | _joey: and the perms on an unwritable subdir? |
| 07:04.13 | simonrvn | @tell revelater -about root |
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| 07:04.56 | streuner | apt, wake up! |
| 07:04.58 | apt | up!: GOOD MORNING!!! |
| 07:05.04 | streuner | hm |
| 07:05.11 | oKtosiTe | ZCorker, I haven't used woody in a long time, can't tell you much there, but 3.0r4's default is lilo |
| 07:05.41 | Guerin | woody = 3.0 |
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| 07:06.09 | Guerin | so you just said "I haven't driven a car in ages, but this ford mustang I'm driving is green" |
| 07:06.14 | revelater | cursing |
| 07:06.25 | revelater | i wan't actually root |
| 07:06.32 | simonrvn | i enabled ravenbird's public rootwarn |
| 07:06.34 | _joey | drwxr-xr-x 2 root root 4096 Mar 21 14:49 math |
| 07:06.39 | _joey | damn it |
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| 07:06.48 | revelater | why??? |
| 07:06.52 | _joey | I used to be able to write to direcotries and subdirectories using the same smb.conf |
| 07:06.53 | revelater | nande??? |
| 07:06.57 | revelater | nande desca?? |
| 07:06.59 | simonrvn | join: revelater joined #debian (~root@adsl-69-225-133-43.dsl.irvnca.pacbell.net) |
| 07:07.02 | _joey | something happened to this fskced up config file |
| 07:07.07 | revelater | gratis |
| 07:07.12 | simonrvn | really, the user name says otherwise |
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| 07:07.21 | revelater | hey all |
| 07:07.44 | C17H21NO4 | _joey: You probably had a user or group mask in smb.conf |
| 07:08.12 | _joey | C17H21NO4 didn't change anything in smb.conf |
| 07:08.14 | _joey | till now |
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| 07:08.38 | zorpit | i did my best to recompile/install my kernel with the right (3c590/900) driver for my card, but after rebooting and attempting "ifup eth0" i still get "no such device"... |
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| 07:08.56 | krathos | hola |
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| 07:09.07 | zorpit | i guess that's all the details I can think of - any suggestions about where to go from here? |
| 07:09.07 | sub_pop | anyone know a fast window manager written in gtk2? |
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| 07:09.23 | Guerin | sub_pop: xfwm4 |
| 07:09.28 | C17H21NO4 | zorpit: How about modprobe <right driver> |
| 07:09.35 | simonrvn | wms don't get written in gtk2. |
| 07:09.36 | _joey | C17H21NO4 could you suggest how to setup smb.conf so I can mount existing directory and be able to read/write , please |
| 07:09.48 | _joey | http://users.tpg.com.au/alexgne/smb.conf |
| 07:09.52 | zorpit | C17H21NO4: I didn't build it as a module |
| 07:09.58 | x_or | sub_pop: try xfce4. |
| 07:10.13 | sub_pop | hmm yea i'll try that. i forgot about xfce |
| 07:10.16 | zorpit | C17H21NO4: dmesg didn't mention the driver, either... is there another way to see the full bootup screen? |
| 07:10.26 | simonrvn | xfce4 is ok |
| 07:10.27 | C17H21NO4 | _joey: Why don't you chmod o+w the files |
| 07:11.04 | _joey | chmod -R 0777 /dir ? |
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| 07:11.18 | C17H21NO4 | _joey: That would do it |
| 07:11.41 | C17H21NO4 | zorpit: If you have bootlogd running, it will output to a file. |
| 07:11.43 | _joey | I was hoping I could retain old permissions |
| 07:11.47 | _joey | oh well |
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| 07:12.29 | _joey | wait , there and an option to force perm on all files in smb.conf |
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| 07:12.48 | revelater | could somebody help me? |
| 07:13.01 | zorpit | C0C41N3: Unfortunately, I don't have bootlogd on that machine... and no network access because of the driver problem. =\ |
| 07:13.13 | simonrvn | revelater: maybe you could ask your question? |
| 07:13.31 | Ragan | revelater, not if we don't know your problem |
| 07:13.51 | revelater | oh yah |
| 07:13.53 | C17H21NO4 | zorpit: If you are using a framebuffer you can scroll up in the terminal |
| 07:13.55 | revelater | umm |
| 07:14.08 | revelater | my sound card doesn't want to work |
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| 07:14.27 | Ragan | revelater, gnome/kde? alsa/oss? give us details please |
| 07:14.31 | zorpit | c17H21NO4: oh... i forgot, i tried that, but X11's (failed attempt to) start cleared the buffer |
| 07:14.32 | revelater | kde |
| 07:14.33 | zorpit | thanks |
| 07:14.35 | simonrvn | @vagueness |
| 07:14.35 | ravenbird | VAGUENESS CAUSES IMPOTENCE! |
| 07:14.41 | revelater | i tried alsa |
| 07:14.50 | revelater | doesn't want to config |
| 07:14.58 | revelater | and yes i am impotent |
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| 07:15.08 | revelater | lol |
| 07:15.09 | Ragan | revelater, did you run alsaconf without kde running? |
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| 07:15.15 | revelater | no |
| 07:15.18 | Gnea | revelater: lspci | grep audio |
| 07:15.19 | revelater | should i? |
| 07:15.23 | C17H21NO4 | _joey: You could map guest to root, but not really advisable. I would change the group to say users and give group write access and change your create mask |
| 07:15.26 | Guerin | kill arts |
| 07:15.35 | Ragan | revelater, try that, it blocks oss unloads if it is running and will fail |
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| 07:15.42 | Guerin | C17H21NO4: s/not really advisable/completely barking mad/ |
| 07:15.56 | Ragan | revelater, yes, or just killall arts |
| 07:15.59 | revelater | ok cool |
| 07:16.08 | Guerin | no, killall doean't work, since it'll start again if needed |
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| 07:16.20 | DemisM | hmm, I have a question if I have debian net-install which is the minimal install and then i have to net install through apt, if I add only the ubuntu repositories will I pretty much have ubuntu? |
| 07:16.25 | Ragan | Guerin, ahh |
| 07:16.28 | Guerin | \you need to stake it through it's cold, coal-black heart in kcontrol |
| 07:16.32 | C17H21NO4 | Guerin: I try to not show my strong personal feelings :) |
| 07:16.32 | zorpit | CR4CKH34d: Ok, i think i'm on the right track now... thanks! |
| 07:16.33 | Ragan | hehe |
| 07:16.35 | Guerin | and bury it under a crossroads |
| 07:16.59 | Gnea | DemisM: use ubuntu repos for ubuntu |
| 07:17.24 | DemisM | so I can get it with the debian net install disk? |
| 07:17.37 | Ragan | Guerin, it's the same problem with alsaconf and arts everyday. wouldn't it be possible to have alsaconf kill arts or at least warn if it's running? |
| 07:17.38 | Guerin | DemisM: if you mis debian and ubuntu, then people from both distros will point and laugh when it breaks |
| 07:17.40 | Gnea | .... |
| 07:18.04 | Guerin | Ragan: anything's possible |
| 07:18.06 | revelater | yah i am running a via chipset and it seems to detect it, but it just doesn't start, i will be back if it doesn't work, htanks guys. |
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| 07:18.13 | Gnea | DemisM: listen to what we say: Debian != Ubuntu |
| 07:18.19 | Gnea | DemisM: that means THEY'RE NOT THE SAME |
| 07:18.33 | DemisM | Guerin, I understand, but can I only include ubuntu repos when I'm asked to add the repos in the beginning of the install? |
| 07:18.43 | Ragan | Guerin, cool. somebody code it... now... |
| 07:18.44 | DemisM | and will it work? |
| 07:18.55 | simonrvn | DemisM: debian. wil. not. install. ubuntu. |
| 07:18.59 | simonrvn | will |
| 07:19.01 | bucky | DemisM, try it and tells us if it works |
| 07:19.08 | Gnea | DemisM: they. are. not. the. same. |
| 07:19.08 | bucky | i'd like to know |
| 07:19.22 | Gnea | DemisM: try inserting a square piece into a circle piece. |
| 07:19.35 | DemisM | Gnea: i can :) |
| 07:19.37 | Guerin | DemisM: you can do what you like, and I don't believe it will work, since the d-i gets a standard list of base packages |
| 07:19.46 | simonrvn | or planting carrot seeds and getting lettuce |
| 07:19.46 | Ragan | Gnea, yeah, just have the square smaller. doh |
| 07:19.48 | bucky | but it might work :( |
| 07:19.50 | Guerin | which may or may not exist in the ubuntu reps |
| 07:19.53 | oKtosiTe | if the square piece is small enough (net install disk, huh?) |
| 07:20.08 | oKtosiTe | (-: |
| 07:20.21 | DemisM | i'll try it out though |
| 07:20.24 | Gnea | DemisM: do you have a spouse? |
| 07:20.26 | DemisM | i have nothing to lose or gain :) |
| 07:20.26 | bucky | cool |
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| 07:20.42 | DemisM | Gnea: I have a 5 year relationship why? |
| 07:21.20 | Gnea | DemisM: nevermind |
| 07:21.22 | DemisM | Gnea: I'll try it and then I'll report my failings or my success to you guys ;) |
| 07:21.29 | Gnea | :) |
| 07:21.40 | Gnea | this outta be good... |
| 07:21.51 | DemisM | where can I get a list of ubuntu repos? |
| 07:22.04 | bucky | i tried to install suse with a redhat cd once |
| 07:22.06 | simonrvn | ubuntu site |
| 07:22.20 | Gnea | RTFM! |
| 07:22.25 | Gnea | ;) |
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| 07:22.47 | revelater | nope didn't work |
| 07:22.57 | Gnea | and so |
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| 07:23.49 | zorpit | woot. |
| 07:23.55 | zorpit | thanks everybody |
| 07:23.55 | revelater | and at startup i get an arts message: device: default can't be opened for playback (Permission denied) |
| 07:24.08 | Gnea | oh snap |
| 07:24.11 | Guerin | revelater: adduser yourusername audio |
| 07:24.19 | Gnea | revelater: id revelater |
| 07:24.20 | DemisM | sigh I can't seem to find the repos and no-1 can copy paste theres in #ubuntu for some reason... |
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| 07:24.33 | Guerin | DemisM: JID |
| 07:24.37 | Gnea | mDemisM: heh... |
| 07:24.40 | Gnea | -m |
| 07:24.49 | DemisM | dorks :) |
| 07:24.56 | revelater | as root? |
| 07:24.56 | Gnea | oh please :) |
| 07:25.02 | Guerin | revelater: 1 |
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| 07:25.15 | Ragan | revelater, yeah |
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| 07:26.13 | revelater | so i should restart and everything will work? |
| 07:26.23 | bucky | DemisM, http://ubuntuguide.org/#extrarepositories |
| 07:26.42 | Ragan | revelater, did alsaconf fail or succeed? |
| 07:26.43 | directhex | !ops kin = spambot |
| 07:26.43 | dpkg | Hydroxide, bob2, caphuso, dondelelcaro, doogie, eeyore-, ElectricElf, greycat, helix, ljlane, LoRez, mentor, Netsnipe, TML, walters, xk: kin = spambot |
| 07:26.45 | directhex | oh, fucks sake, still no dpkg? |
| 07:26.48 | revelater | fail |
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| 07:27.02 | revelater | but my system recognizes the card |
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| 07:27.06 | DemisM | thx bucky |
| 07:27.23 | Ragan | revelater, then alsa wont work, try running alsaconf in init 1 and see if it succeeds |
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| 07:28.27 | revelater | i typed in killall arts |
| 07:28.33 | Guerin | ffs |
| 07:28.37 | Ragan | lol |
| 07:28.42 | Guerin | you have to use kcontrol to kill the motherfucker |
| 07:28.42 | cafuego | Dammit, i'm running out of hosts, bob2. |
| 07:28.47 | revelater | ahh |
| 07:28.58 | bob2 | hah |
| 07:29.05 | Guerin | it doesn't die normally, because it monitors the audio device and starts instantly when it's needed |
| 07:29.29 | Ragan | revelater, eihter use kcontrol or type 'init 1' followed by 'alsaconf' |
| 07:30.03 | Ragan | squeeze the air out of the bastard |
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| 07:30.11 | DemisM | ok time to test this shit out :) |
| 07:30.19 | Ragan | DemisM, good luck dude |
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| 07:31.04 | directhex | it's artsd |
| 07:31.07 | DemisM | worse comes to worse I'm stuck with debian, which is lovely just the way it is heh :) |
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| 07:31.37 | DemisM | the only problem i have with it is installing these damn video drivers which are supported by ubuntu supposedly |
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| 07:32.04 | cafuego | Ubuntu != Debian |
| 07:32.10 | Guerin | DemisM: so wtf aren't you installing ubuntu? |
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| 07:32.26 | revelater | didn't work |
| 07:32.29 | Ragan | DemisM, or get a nvidia card |
| 07:32.35 | DemisM | cause I have no cds :( |
| 07:32.47 | Ragan | revelater, alsaconf didn't work in runlevel 1? |
| 07:32.51 | revelater | nope |
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| 07:32.54 | Guerin | DemisM: here's 50c, go buy a blank cd |
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| 07:33.01 | revelater | didn't find anything anyways |
| 07:33.12 | Guerin | revelater: what sound card? |
| 07:33.17 | petzl | Ubuntu != Debian? C'mon, lets not get all religeous here |
| 07:33.17 | revelater | i installed the modules with the kernel though |
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| 07:33.20 | cafuego | DemisM: Guerin has apoint, Ubuntu is much nicer than Debian ;-) |
| 07:33.26 | revelater | via |
| 07:33.35 | Guerin | <PROTECTED> |
| 07:33.37 | revelater | its built in |
| 07:33.59 | Guerin | !vaguenessmite revelater |
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| 07:34.03 | surgy | hello |
| 07:34.04 | DemisM | bbl :) |
| 07:34.06 | petzl | guerin: the assertion could be made that Knoppix != debian, et cetera |
| 07:34.07 | revelater | lol |
| 07:34.08 | Guerin | poor dpkg |
| 07:34.08 | revelater | sorry |
| 07:34.12 | surgy | I need help with something |
| 07:34.18 | bob2 | petzl: knoppix is indeed not debian, either |
| 07:34.21 | cafuego | HOLY MACARONI! |
| 07:34.24 | surgy | anyone have experience with webhosting? |
| 07:34.27 | Guerin | petzl: right you are |
| 07:34.41 | TBBle | Isn't this stuff in the _topic_? |
| 07:34.46 | Guerin | surgy: I think someone has, on account of the number of webhosts in existence |
| 07:34.48 | cafuego | a genmoo user filed a kernel bug! |
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| 07:34.54 | Guerin | ~beer TBBle |
| 07:34.57 | revelater | what do i type to find pci devices? |
| 07:35.03 | surgy | lol nice one guerin |
| 07:35.03 | petzl | well, in as much as these creatures can use apt sources |
| 07:35.04 | cafuego | revelater: lspci |
| 07:35.04 | Guerin | revelater: lspci |
| 07:35.14 | surgy | although i meant someone that is reading it |
| 07:35.20 | cafuego | petzl: So they all use apt-get. |
| 07:35.30 | Guerin | petzl: my car runs on petrol, therefore it's a mercedes benz |
| 07:35.31 | esskay | is there a tool to manage debian installations on a network.. say I want to install a package on 100 machines in my lan .. |
| 07:35.37 | cafuego | petzl: I suppose that means 'fink' on MacOS X is really debian too? |
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| 07:35.48 | Guerin | petzl: so mandrake = red hat = fedora = suse |
| 07:35.52 | revelater | 0000:00:11.5 Multimedia audio controller: VIA Technologies, Inc. VT8233/A/8235/8237 AC97 Audio Controller (rev 50) |
| 07:35.53 | esskay | is there a way besides sshing there and doing it... ? |
| 07:35.56 | Guerin | since they all use rpm... |
| 07:36.02 | cafuego | Guerin: Well, mandrake = red hat = fedora = suse = crap |
| 07:36.21 | TBBle | And you=me since we all use oxygen and carbohydrates... |
| 07:36.39 | revelater | i know that alsa wil work with that card cause i got it to in a slackware install |
| 07:36.45 | Ragan | !built on debian |
| 07:36.45 | dpkg | Knoppix, Libranet, Corel/Xandros, Stormix, Progeny, Lindows, DamnSmallLinux, Ubuntu, Kurumin, Agnula, Xebian, and so on are *not* Debian. Just because something's "based on" Debian doesn't mean we can support it. You'll get a Debian answer, and if it doesn't work, you're out of luck. |
| 07:36.52 | Guerin | revelater: /msg dpkg ac97 |
| 07:36.55 | Guerin | grr |
| 07:37.00 | Guerin | dopkg is asleep, bar that |
| 07:37.07 | Guerin | no |
| 07:37.11 | petzl | I intalled from a Morphix live CD, and have been maintaining it off the sarge sources |
| 07:37.15 | Ragan | just give it a cookie |
| 07:37.16 | revelater | ? |
| 07:37.22 | Guerin | petzl: you poor bastard |
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| 07:37.31 | Ragan | !tell revelater about ac97 |
| 07:37.41 | revelater | ?? |
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| 07:37.57 | Ragan | revelater, check your pm |
| 07:38.46 | petzl | How are things such as Ubuntu, knoppix morphix so NOT very debian? |
| 07:38.46 | petzl | dpkg: ah... point. |
| 07:38.46 | petzl | guerin: heh |
| 07:38.46 | petzl | pity me |
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| 07:39.18 | Ragan | hehe, lag killed |
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| 07:39.20 | bob2 | heh |
| 07:39.52 | streuner | petzl: Don't flood here, thanks. |
| 07:39.57 | Guerin | it was lag |
| 07:40.11 | Guerin | either that, or petzl is the world's fastest typist |
| 07:40.25 | bob2 | hah |
| 07:40.26 | jm_ | or another abuser of enter key |
| 07:40.28 | petzl | me flood? |
| 07:40.36 | bob2 | I've got kicked for flooding by typing with no lag |
| 07:40.43 | petzl | I'm lagging pretty bad here |
| 07:40.45 | streuner | s/flood/troll/ |
| 07:40.52 | bob2 | lord |
| 07:40.54 | SexyKen | Can anyone recomend a groupware |
| 07:40.54 | SexyKen | hahhaha |
| 07:41.00 | bob2 | bad attitudes on both sides, of course |
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| 07:41.21 | simonrvn | the dude with the 'tude |
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| 07:41.30 | Guerin | bob2: oh yeah, but he sent 4 lines all at 16:38:44 |
| 07:41.42 | bob2 | oh, right |
| 07:41.45 | revelater | ok |
| 07:41.49 | SexyKen | Anyone know of any PPO's that will allow a company to offer benefits to employee's all over the US? |
| 07:41.53 | bob2 | in my defence, I'm drunk |
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| 07:42.04 | simonrvn | "employees" |
| 07:42.13 | Guerin | anyone know where to find some ontopicness in SexyKen's question? |
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| 07:42.20 | ledet | SexyKen: can i interest you in very special rates on long distance calls? :P |
| 07:42.27 | bob2 | Guerin: down the back of the couch |
| 07:42.30 | simonrvn | "PPOs" |
| 07:42.35 | cafuego | bob2: You're in Australia. By definition, you have lag. |
| 07:42.43 | simonrvn | bob2: in between the cushions |
| 07:42.45 | bob2 | cafuego: hah |
| 07:42.48 | Guerin | bob2: haha, I have a british mate who starts every sunday morning with "I apologise for last night, but in my defence, I was very drunk" |
| 07:42.53 | petzl | bob2: heh |
| 07:43.03 | bob2 | cafuego: it's amazing how much nicer it is ssh'ing to a machine in brisbane than one in the US |
| 07:43.04 | revelater | but as i had said, i got alsaconf to work on a slackware install, and i have already loaded the driver modules in the kernel |
| 07:43.15 | bob2 | Guerin: haha |
| 07:43.31 | cafuego | Guerin: Only sunday morning? he's not properly british then. (or does he think he doesn't need to apologise the other 6 days?) |
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| 07:43.46 | bob2 | no trouble (at all!) |
| 07:43.47 | cafuego | bob2: You signed up with ozservers? |
| 07:43.48 | Guerin | revelater: unload any non-alsa sound modules |
| 07:43.50 | revelater | or is there something more that i need to do |
| 07:43.55 | revelater | how? |
| 07:44.16 | petzl | I better shove- my ISP in linksys, and it keeps dropping out |
| 07:44.19 | Guerin | cafuego: drunkenness sends him from being a twat to being an obnoxious twat |
| 07:44.21 | chalcedony | i hate to ask but i have all these windows that i can't seem to kill |
| 07:44.29 | bob2 | cafuego: nah, using a machine in brisbane still |
| 07:44.30 | Ragan | !tell revelater about blacklist |
| 07:44.32 | cafuego | Guerin: <heh> |
| 07:44.48 | cafuego | bob2: the PSU on mine blew last friday :-( |
| 07:44.51 | Ragan | revelater, blacklist everything oss related |
| 07:44.55 | bob2 | cafuego: oh, ouch |
| 07:44.58 | bob2 | cafuego: do they fix that? |
| 07:45.12 | chalcedony | the process does not seem to show up in ps u -A is there any other way to find them? |
| 07:45.21 | cafuego | bob2: They were also doing scheduled network upgrades, so I didn't realise it had actually died as opposed to being temporarily unplugged. |
| 07:45.25 | cat | chalcedony try grep |
| 07:45.31 | bob2 | cafuego: ahh |
| 07:45.36 | cafuego | bob2: Yeah, I told 'em and they plugged in a new PSU |
| 07:45.36 | chalcedony | cat grep how ? |
| 07:45.37 | bob2 | chalcedony: ps aux |
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| 07:46.42 | Ragan | revelater, lsmod to see what modules are loaded |
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| 07:47.42 | karsten | cat: You *really* need a different nick. |
| 07:47.50 | Ragan | revelater, and grab a beer, a good linux admin is a drunk linux admin |
| 07:47.54 | bob2 | cafuego: hm, happy with them? |
| 07:48.02 | revelater | grabs beer |
| 07:48.14 | revelater | i will have a few to go before i am wasted though |
| 07:48.18 | Gnea | wtf... |
| 07:48.27 | karsten | Ragan: I recommend a dead guy or arrogant bastard myself. |
| 07:48.40 | revelater | lsmod shows module soundcore |
| 07:48.47 | karsten | Gnea: ...is on first. |
| 07:49.15 | Gnea | hrm, it appears i have competition in the quit-smoking departement? |
| 07:49.24 | Gnea | -e |
| 07:49.24 | chalcedony | bob2, i did ps aux.. they still don't show up.. but i was able to kill a few by clicking the x .. only a few though and the rest won't die even with close |
| 07:49.37 | simonrvn | xkill |
| 07:49.41 | cafuego | bob2: Yep, am indeed. |
| 07:49.44 | revelater | and i didn't install with sarge |
| 07:49.51 | chalcedony | simonrvn, xkill did nothing |
| 07:49.53 | karsten | chalcedony: What windows are these? |
| 07:49.57 | revelater | i installed in a very... unconventional way |
| 07:49.58 | cafuego | bob2: Let me demonstate with a download from ftp.au.kernel.org |
| 07:50.03 | karsten | revelater: TMI |
| 07:50.20 | Gnea | !troll karsten |
| 07:50.23 | chalcedony | karsten, i dont know .. they are white my backgrounds are BLACK .. so i dunno gnome2 help ? maybe |
| 07:50.25 | revelater | tmi? |
| 07:50.34 | simonrvn | chalcedony: exit x then |
| 07:50.36 | simonrvn | @tmi |
| 07:50.37 | ravenbird | somebody said tmi was too much information |
| 07:50.40 | Gnea | revelater: 'too much information' he's being a jackass |
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| 07:50.52 | revelater | ahh |
| 07:50.52 | cafuego | bob2: 18:50:45 (1.41 MB/s) - `linux-2.6.11.5.tar.bz2' saved [37088482/37088482] |
| 07:50.54 | chalcedony | simonrvn, how? |
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| 07:51.03 | karsten | chalcedony: xlsclients may help you. Is your system nonresponsive / slow? |
| 07:51.09 | bob2 | cafuego: hah, nice |
| 07:51.22 | chalcedony | karsten, slow but not terribly |
| 07:51.25 | karsten | Gnea: Yes, it's my core competence. |
| 07:51.30 | cafuego | bob2: I did admittedly manage over 5MB/sec last week |
| 07:51.31 | oKtosiTe | how safe is it to use a "sid" kernel-image on sarge? I need something newer than 2.6.8 |
| 07:51.34 | streuner | cafuego: that's pretty lame, heh? ;-) |
| 07:51.44 | llama32 | whats that gnomeish mozilla based browser? |
| 07:51.49 | Ragan | revelater, soundcore is alright |
| 07:51.51 | Gnea | karsten: in that case, be prepared for a continual strings -a |
| 07:51.54 | karsten | chalcedony: OK. xlsclients should give you the running command(s) of your window(s). 'killall' on any processes you don't care for may get rid of 'em. |
| 07:51.55 | cafuego | streuner: I chanllenge you to get that speed from that host. |
| 07:51.58 | directhex | llama32, epiphany? |
| 07:52.00 | oKtosiTe | llama32, epiphany/galeon |
| 07:52.03 | jm_ | llama32: epiphany or galeon |
| 07:52.04 | streuner | llama32: galeon? |
| 07:52.05 | karsten | llama32: galeon or (shudder) epiphany. |
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| 07:52.10 | Ragan | revelater, can you pate lsmod in flood please? |
| 07:52.12 | llama32 | lol |
| 07:52.17 | chalcedony | karsten, ok ill give it a shot ty |
| 07:52.29 | llama32 | anyone know how useful epiphany/galeon are? |
| 07:52.35 | oKtosiTe | chalcedony, hey, still couldn't get sleep |
| 07:52.41 | simonrvn | galeon > epiphany |
| 07:52.43 | cafuego | llama32: The peolle who use it probably know. |
| 07:52.44 | Gnea | llama32: about as useful as a ... web browser! |
| 07:52.45 | TBBle | oKtosiTe: Reasonable safe, I'd think. If it goes wrong, pick the 2.6.8 kernel when you reboot. I'm hoping you've not futzed with the boot process such that you don't get the choice of vlimuz and vmlinuz.old. |
| 07:52.47 | karsten | llama32: I like Galeon, except for the Gnome bits. |
| 07:52.49 | jm_ | xlsclient won't list PIDs |
| 07:52.54 | jm_ | xlsclients even |
| 07:52.56 | revelater | #flood:Module Size Used by Not tainted |
| 07:52.56 | revelater | soundcore 3204 0 (autoclean) |
| 07:52.56 | revelater | apm 9116 1 (autoclean) |
| 07:52.56 | revelater | via-rhine 12420 1 |
| 07:52.56 | revelater | mousedev 3744 1 |
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| 07:53.04 | karsten | Gnea: strings? |
| 07:53.06 | simonrvn | ... |
| 07:53.06 | Gnea | mllama32: although i'd put firefox above it |
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| 07:53.14 | chalcedony | jm_, i'm guessing not |
| 07:53.15 | llama32 | i mean anyone know if gmail works on galeon? |
| 07:53.16 | Gnea | grrr |
| 07:53.17 | Gnea | -m |
| 07:53.17 | oKtosiTe | TBBle, I have grub pointing directly at my kernels |
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| 07:53.29 | Gnea | why wouldn't it? |
| 07:53.31 | Ragan | revelater, can you paste lsmod *IN FLOOD* please? =) |
| 07:53.35 | simonrvn | galeon is faster. firefox is more configurable. up front anyway |
| 07:53.37 | cafuego | revelater: in #flood, not A flood. |
| 07:53.38 | revelater | oops |
| 07:53.42 | Ragan | revelater, that is #flood |
| 07:53.46 | oKtosiTe | TBBle, ok, will try that tomorrow then |
| 07:53.47 | revelater | sorry |
| 07:53.47 | lith__ | How do i remove a pkg that wont go away, even with dpkg --purge (pkgname) ? is there a txt based list of pakages that i can just remove it from? |
| 07:53.50 | TBBle | oKtosiTe: Hmm. Well, make sure it keeps pointingat an old one when you install the new one. ^_^ |
| 07:53.53 | Gnea | cafuego: heh |
| 07:53.58 | jm_ | chalcedony: but it can list ID-s, so you can use that with xkill -id |
| 07:54.03 | Ragan | revelater, np =) |
| 07:54.17 | revelater | i am new to irc |
| 07:54.21 | karsten | llama32: firefox | galeon are probably about equivalent. I find Galeon faster and a tad better fit with my habits. I *really* dislike GNOME's fascist tendencies, however. |
| 07:54.27 | Gnea | lith__: usually: apt-get remove yada && dpkg --purge yada |
| 07:54.31 | revelater | AHHH pointy stick!! |
| 07:54.42 | revelater | did it post or no? |
| 07:54.45 | lith__ | gnea: awesome thx man |
| 07:54.47 | Gnea | lith__: in that order |
| 07:54.48 | oKtosiTe | TBBle, pretty sure I'll be ok, as long as sid is not using yet another way to install kernel images, I like how sarge does it with grub though |
| 07:54.49 | karsten | llama32: What simonrvn said about configurability. The upside being Galeon doesn't need as much configuration to work right. |
| 07:54.55 | Gnea | lith__: np good luck |
| 07:55.03 | TBBle | Nope, sid's still using the same kernel-package-management as Sarge. ^_^ |
| 07:55.07 | Ragan | revelater, didn't, do it in #flood |
| 07:55.09 | karsten | llama32: Suggestion: install both and drive 'em for a while, pick the one you like. |
| 07:55.14 | simonrvn | karsten: there are some bits i miss. but true |
| 07:55.15 | dippo | anyone know what might be wrong when, if I do say "dd if=/dev/zero of=Documents/test bs=16k count=500" onto an nfs mounted path, I see "not responding, still trying/OK" bounces back and forth in dmesg |
| 07:55.18 | oKtosiTe | llama32, what's wrong with just using firefox? |
| 07:55.19 | dippo | (and extremely slow transfer as a result) |
| 07:55.21 | revelater | how do i post in #flood? |
| 07:55.23 | karsten | simonrvn: Which are you using? |
| 07:55.36 | simonrvn | karsten: galeon and firefox |
| 07:55.44 | streuner | revelater: the same way you did here, just join #flood |
| 07:55.54 | revelater | ohh... |
| 07:56.04 | simonrvn | /join #flood |
| 07:56.04 | karsten | oKtosiTe: FFX's tab management loses massively to Galeon, and the extensions aren't fully worked out yet. That really needs to be integrated, not tacked on. |
| 07:56.08 | Gnea | llama32: yeah, karsten actually said something intelligent - try 'em both out for awhile and see which one 'feels' right for you... that's the only real way to make a proper decision |
| 07:56.14 | llama32 | thanks all about the galeon stuff :) |
| 07:56.30 | karsten | Gnea: My apologies. |
| 07:56.40 | cat | how can i view avi? |
| 07:56.44 | Gnea | karsten: heh |
| 07:56.45 | llama32 | ive used firefox for a while and like it, but i like gnome and want to try a different browser :) |
| 07:56.47 | lith__ | Gnea: i still get "subprocess post-removal script returned error exit status 10" when i dpkg --purge even after apt-get remove :( |
| 07:56.52 | streuner | cat: heh? |
| 07:56.52 | karsten | TBBle: No, it didn't die, it got GNOMEd. Worse fate. |
| 07:57.04 | lith__ | And i cant install a new ftpd pkg till that ones gone (bastards) :D |
| 07:57.10 | jm_ | lith__: are you using sid? |
| 07:57.15 | Gnea | lith__: are you absolutely positive all of the files haven't been removed? |
| 07:57.22 | lith__ | jm: yesir |
| 07:57.24 | oKtosiTe | karsten, I guess you're right, but I can't really complain, I have six tabs as home page, and it only takes FFX a second to lad, for lower end machines I would have to agree though |
| 07:57.34 | oKtosiTe | s/lad/load/ |
| 07:57.39 | jm_ | !sidsmit lith__ |
| 07:57.41 | jm_ | !sidsmite lith__ |
| 07:57.43 | lith__ | Gnea: Im sure that i dont need any of the files from that :) |
| 07:57.54 | jm_ | lith__: check BTS to start with |
| 07:57.55 | Gnea | cat: mplayer, xine, totem-player.... |
| 07:57.57 | TBBle | Hmm. I don't use Gnome, but some applications I use do. |
| 07:57.59 | karsten | oKtosiTe: FFX's UI seems less responsive than Galeon, on a P4 1.4 GHz 1GB. |
| 07:58.07 | lith__ | . . .BTS? |
| 07:58.10 | Gnea | lith__: that's not what i asked :) |
| 07:58.21 | lith__ | Gnea: :) hehe naw im pretty sure they are all gone |
| 07:58.26 | llama32 | damnit... how can i tell apt to continue regardless of "needs 2.8.3-7 but has 2.8.2 installed"? i figure id rather take a chance with galeon working than to reinstall the whole of gnome again |
| 07:58.32 | streuner | lith__: /msg apt bts |
| 07:58.44 | karsten | oKtosiTe: I tend to run both fairly frequently, I'm really pissed of at Galeon's devs, they're showing serious fuckwittage, it's really frustrating. |
| 07:58.45 | oKtosiTe | gtg |
| 07:58.51 | Gnea | lith__: heh ok |
| 07:59.12 | oKtosiTe | karsten, gtg |
| 07:59.14 | simonrvn | @btssmite lith__ |
| 07:59.19 | simonrvn | meh |
| 07:59.21 | jm_ | hehe |
| 07:59.26 | karsten | oKtosiTe: ?? |
| 07:59.33 | lith__ | :) you guys are hard core with the bug slaps :> |
| 07:59.49 | jm_ | lith__: only with people that use sid when they shouldn't |
| 07:59.54 | streuner | nah, look at this one :-) |
| 07:59.59 | streuner | !listkeys smite |
| 08:00.00 | dpkg | Factoid search of 'smite' by key (13 of 104): CMD: britsmite (.*?) ;; CMD: catsmite (.*?) ;; CMD: danwsmite (.*?) ;; CMD: montypythonsmite (.*?) ;; CMD: newbiesmite (.*?) ;; CMD: nonfreesmite (.*?) ;; CMD: nvidiasmite (.*?) ;; CMD: peterssmite (.*?) ;; CMD: sgsmite (.*?) ;; CMD: shanemacgowansmite (.*?) ;; CMD: spellsmite (.*?) ;; CMD: spocksmite (.*?) ;; CMD: tuxsmite (.*?). |
| 08:00.06 | Ragan | revelater, your soundcard module isn't loaded |
| 08:00.12 | simonrvn | 104...? |
| 08:00.18 | chalcedony | karsten, jm_ i don't see anything bad to kill .. i just don't. can i paste it somewhere? |
| 08:00.35 | oKtosiTe | karsten, got to go |
| 08:00.46 | revelater | lol |
| 08:00.47 | chalcedony | huggles oKtosiTe :) |
| 08:00.48 | karsten | oKtosiTe: Well don't wait on my account ;-) |
| 08:00.49 | jm_ | chalcedony: tnx.nl/scribble or www.nomorepasting.com or ... |
| 08:00.50 | revelater | so how do i load |
| 08:00.51 | revelater | ? |
| 08:00.58 | lith__ | jm: when installing and removing pkgs.. you shouldnt be su'ed? |
| 08:00.58 | karsten | !tell chalcedony about paster |
| 08:01.03 | chalcedony | jm_, flood? |
| 08:01.08 | jm_ | lith__: you should - it only works as root |
| 08:01.09 | lith__ | thats interesting |
| 08:01.14 | lith__ | OH |
| 08:01.16 | lith__ | snap |
| 08:01.24 | streuner | simonrvn: only :-) |
| 08:01.28 | jm_ | chalcedony: well it will be too long for #flood, also /msg dpkg paste |
| 08:01.32 | Ragan | !modprobe |
| 08:01.32 | chalcedony | i don't want to bring up a graphic browser for now |
| 08:01.32 | dpkg | modprobe is probably something you use to install modules with it |
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| 08:01.40 | oKtosiTe | chalcedony, for the last time, goodnight |8-O |
| 08:01.41 | jm_ | chalcedony: you don't have to |
| 08:01.43 | simonrvn | streuner: "only" =) |
| 08:01.44 | revelater | ragan, so how do i load it? |
| 08:01.57 | karsten | chalcedony: You don't need a gui browser. w3m works. |
| 08:01.59 | chalcedony | jm_, i don't? |
| 08:02.02 | jm_ | chalcedony: no |
| 08:02.04 | jerome | I can't figure why openffice default font size is so huge |
| 08:02.04 | Ragan | revelater, if your soundcard is ac97 run 'modprobe ac97' as root |
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| 08:02.41 | Ragan | karsten, yeah, w3m has saved my but many a times =) |
| 08:02.58 | revelater | Ragan, its doing something... |
| 08:03.00 | Gnea | wtF! |
| 08:03.06 | Gnea | ok |
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| 08:03.10 | streuner | jerome: for those apps which you can't configure the fonts in the app itself, just configure X new |
| 08:03.14 | karsten | Gnea: ...'s on first. |
| 08:03.15 | Gnea | i just tried to use google with lynx |
| 08:03.18 | Ragan | revelater, now try lsmod and see if it's loaded |
| 08:03.25 | llama32 | damnit... how can i tell apt to continue regardless of "needs 2.8.3-7 but has 2.8.2 installed"? i figure id rather take a chance with galeon working than to reinstall the whole of gnome again [sorry about repeat but someone must know...] |
| 08:03.25 | karsten | Gnea: What's effed? |
| 08:03.27 | Gnea | and it just came back with error 400 bad request |
| 08:03.38 | karsten | llama32: 'force' options. man apt-get |
| 08:03.39 | Gnea | karsten: that's using http://www.google.com |
| 08:03.40 | revelater | Ragan, it doesn't seem to have finished doing something |
| 08:03.48 | gteppel | I'm to lazy to RTFM, but why is InnoDB disabled by default in my.cnf for mySQL on Debian Woody? |
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| 08:03.59 | karsten | Gnea: proxy configured? |
| 08:04.00 | revelater | i seem to have a > prompt |
| 08:04.04 | directhex | gteppel, we're too lazy to rtfm for you |
| 08:04.16 | Ragan | revelater, try lsmod and compare your previous list |
| 08:04.17 | Gnea | karsten: been using squid for years |
| 08:04.31 | gteppel | directhex: i'm not expecting you too... i just want the short answer |
| 08:04.33 | karsten | Gnea: ...and 'host www.google.com'. The IPs rotate and vary regionally. |
| 08:04.38 | Gnea | i get the same thing in links |
| 08:04.59 | revelater | Ragan, i think i broke it... |
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| 08:05.12 | Ragan | revelater, uhh, broke what? |
| 08:05.13 | karsten | Gnea: www.google.com is an alias for www.google.akadns.net. www.google.akadns.net has address 66.102.7.99 www.google.akadns.net has address 66.102.7.104 www.google.akadns.net has address 66.102.7.147 |
| 08:05.14 | Gnea | but if i use lynx from the router.... |
| 08:05.15 | Gnea | it's fine |
| 08:05.31 | revelater | Ragan, all i am getting is a > prompt |
| 08:05.32 | Gnea | karsten: that is so weird |
| 08:05.37 | karsten | Gnea: Try direct by IP. |
| 08:05.40 | Gnea | karsten: not the ip bit - i understand the whole RR bit |
| 08:05.42 | Ragan | revelater, try ctrl+c |
| 08:05.59 | Gnea | karsten: same thing :/ |
| 08:06.07 | karsten | Gnea: It's not just RR. The host also varies regionally. |
| 08:06.11 | revelater | Regen, ahh fiked it |
| 08:06.11 | chalcedony | karsten, pasted |
| 08:06.14 | karsten | Gnea: Hrm. |
| 08:06.14 | jm_ | Gnea: it's not lynx related, try it with GUI browser and you'll get the same |
| 08:06.16 | karsten | chalcedony: URL? |
| 08:06.33 | chalcedony | karsten, http://channels.debian.net/paste/365 |
| 08:06.36 | Ragan | revelater, okie, 'modprobe ac97' & 'lsmod' & compare |
| 08:06.37 | karsten | Gnea: mtr --curses <IP> is a good diagnostic. Can you reach the host? |
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| 08:07.07 | Gnea | jm_: it's a combo of lynx/links and squid |
| 08:07.07 | karsten | chalcedony: So nothing strange in there? |
| 08:07.19 | karsten | chalcedony: You're running GNOME? |
| 08:07.25 | chalcedony | karsten, yes and yes |
| 08:07.27 | jm_ | Gnea: no, try it without squid and it'll do the same - it does it here |
| 08:07.37 | karsten | chalcedony: ...what's "rep"? |
| 08:07.43 | chalcedony | karsten, dunno |
| 08:07.43 | jm_ | with lynx/firefox and both with and without squid/privoxy |
| 08:07.56 | karsten | chalcedony: 'which rep' |
| 08:08.07 | jerome | streuner: I was talking about the document font itself; not the GUI font :) Anyway, it's still huge and it's not a sane default. |
| 08:08.10 | jm_ | hmm now it doesn't |
| 08:08.13 | Gnea | karsten: yeah i can reach it |
| 08:08.24 | karsten | Gnea: telnet <ip> 80 ? |
| 08:08.35 | Gnea | jm_: like i said, i tried it on the router itself (goes direct) and it works fine from there |
| 08:08.39 | karsten | Gnea: Check your squid logs as well. |
| 08:08.47 | chalcedony | karsten, no idea what this is: marcus rep |
| 08:09.28 | jm_ | Gnea: I guess firefox didn't really load it but pulled it from cache when I tried it, it really seems lynx issue, because both galeon and wget work |
| 08:09.40 | Ragan | revelater, okay, try alsaconf now without artsd running, it's very important it isn't |
| 08:09.49 | revelater | ok |
| 08:10.04 | revelater | brb |
| 08:10.06 | karsten | chalcedony: That's two of us. Try 'xlsclients -l' which should give the window identifier. You can 'xkill' by window ID. |
| 08:10.47 | chalcedony | ok karsten :) |
| 08:10.53 | llama32 | karsten: u got any idea what these force options are for apt-get? i cant find anywhere in the man pages and ive tried the only 2 that seem to be of any relevence (-m & -f) |
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| 08:11.27 | karsten | llama32: You're trying to install a specific version of galeon, right? |
| 08:11.33 | revelater | Ragan, nope |
| 08:11.38 | karsten | llama32: ...this is one area in which aptitude (interactive) really rocks, BTW. |
| 08:11.46 | Ragan | revelater, paste 'lsmod' & 'ls /dev/snd/' please |
| 08:11.51 | llama32 | ok ill use aptitude |
| 08:11.59 | Ragan | revelater, in #flood of course =) |
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| 08:12.24 | cat | can xine or mplayer play avi files? |
| 08:12.29 | streuner | yes |
| 08:12.38 | cat | g00d |
| 08:12.55 | cat | is there any way that u can run mplayer with out putting Mplayer command to run the video thing |
| 08:13.06 | cat | is there any way to open mplayers program |
| 08:13.22 | karsten | llama32: You can also list snapshots (archive mirror) among your sources, which will make an awful lot of older package releases available, useful if you're trying to nail a particular release. |
| 08:13.26 | karsten | !u |
| 08:13.26 | dpkg | Damnit Jim! It's YOU. Y-O-U. Not *U*. U is a letter. YOU is a word. See ne1, or wud. Dutch for 'you' (formal singular). See http://ars.userfriendly.org/cartoons/?id=20041201 |
| 08:13.49 | streuner | cat: in console 'gmplayer' |
| 08:13.57 | revelater | Ragan, pasted |
| 08:14.06 | karsten | cat: Um. Should be in your window menus. Many WMs also use <alt><F2> as a a "Run" dialog. |
| 08:14.11 | jm_ | the only difference I see is in http/1.1 vs 1.0 request |
| 08:14.14 | streuner | cat: try xine, you'll love it |
| 08:14.23 | revelater | Ragan, and i was about to paste it here... |
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| 08:15.04 | Ragan | revelater, yep, what you need is your soundcard modules |
| 08:15.14 | revelater | how do i install them? |
| 08:15.24 | streuner | cat: another very good movieplayer is 'vlc' |
| 08:15.30 | chalcedony | karsten, i identified rep got it's number but i'm missing something: ~$ xkill 0x1c00001 |
| 08:15.30 | chalcedony | usage: xkill [-option ...] |
| 08:15.30 | chalcedony | where options include: |
| 08:15.42 | llama32 | karsten: thanks but i settled for firefox anyway rather than wasting time trying to install galeon |
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| 08:15.50 | Ragan | revelater, hang on, if anybody can't answer it I'll get back to you in a moment |
| 08:15.52 | karsten | llama32: OK. |
| 08:16.09 | karsten | llama32: FYI, Galeon 1.2 vs. 1.3 comparison: http://article.gmane.org/gmane.comp.web.galeon.user/3350 |
| 08:16.30 | revelater | karsten, does this message sho red for you? |
| 08:16.35 | karsten | llama32: 1.3 has since aquired Portal features. |
| 08:16.39 | Gnea | jm_: this is really disturbing. |
| 08:16.57 | karsten | revelater: your nick is highlighted yellow. THat's my client's config. |
| 08:17.33 | chalcedony | revelater, if it has your nick and you are on xchat with colored nicks it might be red |
| 08:17.34 | revelater | karsten, ok, but putting the persons nick first causes it to show a different color? |
| 08:17.47 | karsten | revelater: Yes. |
| 08:17.53 | revelater | ahh |
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| 08:19.07 | karsten | chalcedony: /join #flood |
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| 08:19.07 | Gnea | jm_: hrm, looks like google is doing multiple discriminations: http://jeremy.zawodny.com/blog/archives/001028.html |
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| 08:19.40 | karsten | chalcedony: Check /msg. |
| 08:19.40 | karsten | chalcedony: ...reply here. And when I say /join #flood, join, damnit! |
| 08:20.14 | chalcedony | oh i'm sorry |
| 08:20.34 | karsten | chalcedony: NP. |
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| 08:22.33 | jm_ | Gnea: I wonder what it is in lynx's request that it marks it bad, because links works |
| 08:23.11 | Ragan | revelater, try modprobe ac97 just before you do alsaconf |
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| 08:23.22 | Ragan | revelater, somehow it got unloaded last time |
| 08:23.24 | revelater | like in init 1? |
| 08:23.35 | Ragan | revelater, yeah |
| 08:23.53 | revelater | Ragan, k brb |
| 08:24.10 | chalcedony | karsten whatever rep was it wasn't those windows ~$ xkill -id 0x1e00001 |
| 08:24.10 | chalcedony | xkill: killing creator of resource 0x1e00001 |
| 08:24.10 | chalcedony | ~$ |
| 08:24.11 | apt | [$] a dollar sign |
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| 08:24.36 | karsten | Heh. Stupid bot. |
| 08:24.55 | karsten | chalcedony: Hrm |
| 08:25.01 | revelater | Ragan, you know i should probably write this down, could you post again? |
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| 08:25.36 | Ragan | revelater, 'init 1' & 'modprobe ac97' (if that is your soundcard) & 'alsaconf' |
| 08:25.44 | chalcedony | karsten, now i know.. they are gnome help windows |
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| 08:26.15 | revelater | Ragan, k thanks, sorry bout that |
| 08:26.17 | kaner | revelater: it is 9:25 am here. do not talk about beer plz! :) |
| 08:26.22 | Ragan | revelater, np |
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| 08:26.59 | jm_ | Gnea: it works with lynx from RedHat 5.1 ;) |
| 08:27.01 | chalcedony | karsten, could they be running on the file server instead of my box ??? |
| 08:27.02 | karsten | chalcedony: 'pstree' is another sometime-useful command. 'pstree -A | less' and find likely looking stuff. Sometimes you've just got to sniff stuff down. |
| 08:27.27 | hume | got a problem with java: trying to install freemind that depends on java. and I got sun's java installed, not using apt. so when i got freemind installed, with dpkg -force-depends, apt keeps complaining abotu unmet dependecies - anyone knows how to work around? |
| 08:27.28 | karsten | chalcedony: I've had hard-to-kill windows occasionally, usually with mediaplayers though. Under WMaker. |
| 08:27.40 | chalcedony | <PROTECTED> |
| 08:27.52 | jm_ | Gnea: http://bugs.debian.org/cgi-bin/bugreport.cgi?bug=254515 |
| 08:27.53 | s-toned | The entries "search domain.local" and "domain domain.local" in resolv.conf disappear from time to time. How can I prevent this? |
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| 08:28.14 | revelater | Ragan, didn't work |
| 08:28.34 | chalcedony | ~$ killall -9 14439 |
| 08:28.35 | chalcedony | 14439: no process killed |
| 08:28.35 | chalcedony | ~$ |
| 08:28.36 | apt | somebody said $ was a dollar sign |
| 08:28.36 | Ragan | revelater, do you have discover and hotplug installed? |
| 08:28.53 | karsten | chalcedony: If you've allowed X clients from your fileserver to your local system. 'lsof' should show those as tunneled connections or remote X connections. |
| 08:29.01 | Ragan | ~stupid bot |
| 08:29.02 | apt | no, stupid ragan |
| 08:29.05 | revelater | Ragan, not sure, can i apt-get them? |
| 08:29.09 | karsten | chalcedony: ...and xlsclients would still show the clients on your local display. |
| 08:29.12 | Ragan | revelater, yeah |
| 08:29.24 | revelater | Ragan what pkg? |
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| 08:30.05 | Ragan | revelater, apt-get install discover hotplug |
| 08:30.48 | revelater | Ragan, nope, downloading... |
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| 08:31.02 | buu | I'm sure this has an easy answer, but I've been conversing with dpkg for a while now and I still can't make it work. How do I get "java-common" installed? |
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| 08:31.33 | jm_ | buu: get java-package |
| 08:31.38 | buu | jm_: And.. ? |
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| 08:31.44 | Ragan | revelater, ahh =) |
| 08:31.49 | jm_ | buu: and read the docs |
| 08:32.02 | buu | jm_: I did. I went to the websites. I downloaded the .deb files. No joy. |
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| 08:32.11 | Ragan | revelater, after it's installed, reboot to single user (init 1) & alsaconf |
| 08:32.14 | revelater | Ragan, ok but something odd.... let me post in flood |
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| 08:32.22 | gteppel | Any rumours on when 3.1 will be coming out? |
| 08:32.35 | jm_ | buu: you don't download deb files, you download .bin files and run make-jpkg |
| 08:32.52 | chalcedony | karsten, : Window 0x3200001: |
| 08:32.52 | chalcedony | <PROTECTED> |
| 08:32.52 | chalcedony | <PROTECTED> |
| 08:32.59 | karsten | !tell gteppel about release |
| 08:33.07 | chalcedony | karsten ~$ killall -9 0x3200001 |
| 08:33.07 | chalcedony | 0x3200001: no process killed |
| 08:33.07 | chalcedony | ~$ |
| 08:33.08 | apt | somebody said $ was a dollar sign |
| 08:33.14 | karsten | chalcedony: Kill! Kill! Kill! |
| 08:33.18 | chalcedony | apt it's a bash prompt |
| 08:33.31 | jm_ | buu: as for java-common itself, it's in "main" |
| 08:33.32 | Ragan | revelater, that's great =) |
| 08:33.35 | karsten | chalcedony: apt is a bot. |
| 08:33.40 | chalcedony | oh |
| 08:33.42 | chalcedony | lol |
| 08:33.43 | karsten | chalcedony: '~' is apt's prefix. |
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| 08:34.02 | Ragan | revelater, now your system detects your hardware. that's a pretty neat thing ;-) |
| 08:34.02 | karsten | chalcedony: Hrm. Spurious window. How about ignoring it ;-) |
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| 08:34.06 | revelater | Ragan, ok i just thought that the asuming its compiled in kernel thing was a little disturbing |
| 08:34.06 | gteppel | Ok my other question is can I apt-get dist-upgrade to testing and when Sarge comes out apt-get upgrade to Stable?? Does this make sense? |
| 08:34.17 | PerfDave | gteppel: No, that doesn't make sense. |
| 08:34.17 | karsten | chalcedony: ...alternatively, some WMs have a 'restart' option, might try that. |
| 08:34.17 | bob2 | gteppel: yes |
| 08:34.20 | Ragan | revelater, some hardware is |
| 08:34.28 | chalcedony | karsten, if there weren't 100 of them i would ignore them happily |
| 08:34.30 | PerfDave | gteppel: You can dist-upgrade to Sarge, and run Sarge during and after its release. |
| 08:34.30 | jm_ | gteppel: yes, but reference it with "sarge" |
| 08:34.32 | karsten | gteppel: No. Debian doesn't let you upgrade. It's against policy. |
| 08:34.33 | kaner | gteppel: upgrade to _sarge_ |
| 08:34.35 | bob2 | gteppel: as long as you realise sarge is the name of stable at that point |
| 08:34.40 | karsten | gteppel: It's totally foreign to the distro. |
| 08:34.42 | kaner | gteppel: then you wont have any problems |
| 08:34.45 | revelater | Ragan, then i shall be back to report on how it went |
| 08:34.57 | karsten | gteppel: Not. |
| 08:35.06 | chalcedony | i think i will go to bed, praying my son wakes up before i do so i can make HIM fix it |
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| 08:35.14 | karsten | gteppel: Debian lets you upgrade. Easily. It's a core design feature. |
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| 08:35.22 | karsten | chalcedony: Heh. |
| 08:35.25 | Ragan | If I asked if discover were installed an hour ago I would be a little more drunk =( *hollidays* |
| 08:35.28 | karsten | chalcedony: I should do that too. |
| 08:35.41 | briareus | kind sirs, what was the dpkg command to reconfigure Xfree? |
| 08:35.42 | chalcedony | karsten, ty you were great :) |
| 08:35.45 | karsten | chalcedony: ...though it involves finding a woman, getting her knocked up, breeding, training the kid.... |
| 08:35.53 | karsten | chalcedony: ...but I could use about eight years' sleep ;-) |
| 08:35.54 | chalcedony | i'm very grateful for all your help |
| 08:35.59 | buu | jm_: The .bin's seem to work, thanks. |
| 08:36.00 | karsten | chalcedony: NP. |
| 08:36.11 | chalcedony | karsten, it's worth it |
| 08:36.18 | jm_ | buu: did you run it or did you use make-jpkg? |
| 08:36.26 | chalcedony | been married to the same guy for 38 yrs and 7 kids |
| 08:36.38 | jm_ | wow |
| 08:36.46 | gteppel | karsten: i'm confused... say Sarge became the new stable tomorrow would all i have to do is go back to my sources.list file and change everything back to stable from testing??? |
| 08:37.07 | karsten | gteppel: Yes. |
| 08:37.07 | kaner | gteppel: just put in "sarge" instead of "stable" |
| 08:37.09 | buu | jm_: I used make-jpkg, installed the .deb |
| 08:37.15 | jm_ | buu: cool |
| 08:37.15 | karsten | gteppel: ...or you could specify 'sarge' now. |
| 08:37.18 | gteppel | kaner: ok |
| 08:37.30 | gteppel | karsten: and then it would basically be a transparent process |
| 08:37.32 | karsten | gteppel: ...and after release, change 'sarge' to 'stable', nothing will change at that point... |
| 08:37.33 | PerfDave | gteppel: If you want to run Sarge, put "sarge" in your sources.list. You'll run Testing until Sarge releases, and after that you'll run Stable. If you want to switch to Etch, then use "testing" in your sources.list and you'll auto-migrate. |
| 08:37.39 | gteppel | cool |
| 08:37.40 | buu | jm_: Yeah. I finally went to the java site, the other sites had a bunch of .deb files which apparently don't work. But oh well. |
| 08:37.52 | karsten | gteppel: ...but when stable upgrades (in another 3-6 years) you'll track with it. |
| 08:37.58 | buu | PerfDave: But this is all moot because they're never actually going to release it, right? |
| 08:38.03 | briareus | #debian, what was the dpkg command to reconfigure Xfree? |
| 08:38.12 | buu | "stable 3.1 will containg perl6..." |
| 08:38.14 | Ragan | gteppel, or use 'stable' if you want to wait until sarge get's stabe |
| 08:38.20 | karsten | gteppel: There are two naming schemes: named releases (which don't change names) and logical releases (oldstable, stable, testing, unstable). |
| 08:38.21 | jm_ | buu: they did work for me back then, but the versions are outdated, unless someone made something newer with make-jpkg (although there's really little motivation to do it these days) |
| 08:38.21 | PerfDave | buu: They'll release it, it's being held back on some critical packages like Duke Nukem Forever. |
| 08:38.25 | kaner | briareus: dpkg-reconfigure <packagename> |
| 08:38.34 | briareus | kaner> many thanks |
| 08:38.35 | Ragan | PerfDave, lol! |
| 08:38.36 | gteppel | thanks guys! |
| 08:38.55 | karsten | gteppel: oldstable == potato. stable == woody. testing == sarge. unstable == Sid. |
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| 08:39.03 | karsten | gteppel: Sid *always* == unstable. |
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| 08:39.08 | buu | PerfDave: =] |
| 08:39.14 | gteppel | karesten: yep I know that :-) |
| 08:39.14 | Ragan | PerfDave, that is funny in so many dimensions! |
| 08:39.23 | revelater | Ragan, stil getting Error while initializing the sound driver: |
| 08:39.23 | revelater | device /dev/dsp can't be opened (No such device) |
| 08:39.37 | Ragan | revelater, did alsaconf fail? |
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| 08:39.42 | revelater | ragan, yes |
| 08:39.44 | Ragan | revelater, lsmod please |
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| 08:40.13 | briareus | kaner> follow up... |
| 08:40.15 | briareus | dpkg-reconfigure XFree86 |
| 08:40.15 | briareus | Package `xfree86' is not installed and no info is available |
| 08:40.29 | jm_ | briareus: he didn't say to run that, "/msg dpkg reconfigure x" |
| 08:40.39 | mwilson | briareus: Making up package names at random seldom works. |
| 08:40.43 | amikron | bye all |
| 08:40.44 | kaner | briareus: find out what package your xserver came with |
| 08:40.50 | karsten | briareus: xserver-xfree86 |
| 08:40.50 | briareus | i thought was the packagename |
| 08:40.52 | revelater | Ragan, check flood |
| 08:40.58 | kaner | briareus: i am not gonna do that four you ;) |
| 08:41.07 | bvs | i solved the cdrom freezing prob, was a faulty IDE cable |
| 08:41.14 | briareus | i know, i thought from the apt-get list i saw that that was its name :P |
| 08:41.17 | bvs | funny it worked in windows though :) |
| 08:42.03 | kaner | briareus: dpkg -l | grep xfree should've helped |
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| 08:42.13 | Ragan | revelater, okay, now try 'modprobe ac97' & 'lsmod', are you *sure* your soundcard is ac97? |
| 08:42.20 | briareus | kaner> thx again |
| 08:42.25 | kaner | np |
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| 08:43.25 | revelater | Ragan, yes, verysure, it was what my computer had before i put linux on it and it worked fine |
| 08:44.01 | revelater | Ragan, and i installed on slackware with it and i worked |
| 08:44.02 | kaner | revelater: alsa has a script to make the devices |
| 08:44.27 | revelater | kaner, mmm? i am listening |
| 08:44.28 | Ragan | revelater, okay then. try the probing and lsmod. you somehow skipped debian base install |
| 08:44.40 | kaner | not gonna search for you ;) |
| 08:44.42 | cahoot | revelater: discover just claimed you sound card driver should be snd-via82xx |
| 08:44.43 | Ragan | kaner, his /deb/snd is alright |
| 08:44.49 | Ragan | *dev |
| 08:44.53 | Gumby | can anyone tell if there is a way of telling if a module is a kernel or from another package? I am trying to figure out where a digital camera driver is stored |
| 08:44.58 | kaner | Ragan: k, ic |
| 08:45.15 | revelater | cahoot, yes with ac97 codecs |
| 08:45.29 | cahoot | revelater: that's no driver |
| 08:45.31 | kaner | Gumby: did you use a debian kernel? |
| 08:45.47 | revelater | it was what was preloaded |
| 08:45.58 | Ragan | revelater, try 'modprobe snd-via82xx' and 'lsmod' |
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| 08:46.21 | Gumby | kaner: no, this unfortunately isnt a debian box. I was just wondering if there was a specific way to tell where a module came from |
| 08:46.33 | Ragan | cahoot, why doesn't discover detect and load the modules on boot? |
| 08:46.35 | Gumby | I dont have the use of apt-file for this one |
| 08:46.51 | kaner | Gumby: then search though /lib/modules/<kernel-version> |
| 08:47.01 | kaner | :) |
| 08:47.01 | revelater | Ragan, modprobe: Can't locate module snd-via82xx |
| 08:47.11 | Gumby | kaner: the problem is that I dont have the module :) |
| 08:47.16 | cahoot | Ragan: quote from his paste: Skipping via82cxxx; assuming it is compiled into the kernel |
| 08:47.18 | Ragan | revelater, try 'modprobe snd-via82cxxx' and 'lsmod' |
| 08:47.21 | jerome | hum, is it somehw possible to use a SS20 monitor (with the strange connector) on a PC (using the standard VGA connector) or is it simply impossible due to fundamental differences like multisync support, etc ? |
| 08:47.47 | revelater | Ragan same |
| 08:47.53 | Ragan | revelater, i mean 'modprobe via82cxxx' |
| 08:48.04 | cahoot | Ragan: and this: Skipping snd-via82xx; assuming it is compiled into the kernel. |
| 08:48.06 | kaner | Gumby: google didnt help? |
| 08:48.09 | jm_ | jerome: it's possible as long as the monitor supports the mods you intend to use - you can find the converters to standard VGA connector too |
| 08:48.14 | jm_ | mods=modes |
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| 08:48.21 | revelater | Ragan same |
| 08:48.25 | Gumby | kaner: gphoto2 --list-cameras |grep model_name shows me the model_name I need (in debian) on the other box its not listed. So I am trying to figure out where gphoto2 gets its camera list from |
| 08:48.29 | Ragan | cahoot, so.. what to do? |
| 08:48.32 | Gumby | kaner: not yet |
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| 08:49.20 | kaner | Gumby: if there is a driver on a debian box, there will be one for any other linux distribution, thats for sure |
| 08:49.40 | no-exit | i'm running debian testing, and got hal and udev.. can someone point me in the right direction to get my firewire drive to popup automagically in gnome? |
| 08:49.53 | jerome | jm_: oki, but i really don't have a clue about supported modes on this monitor :/ |
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| 08:50.07 | Gumby | kaner: yes, I figure as much. Just trying to figure out which module it is and what provides it :) |
| 08:50.11 | buu | Hrm. Anyone happen to know of a way to make firefox not split on spaces in the filename for content-disposition? |
| 08:50.21 | jm_ | jerome: yeah that's something you should google for I suppose, or find the specs for it |
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| 08:50.30 | martinix | morning |
| 08:50.33 | Ragan | revelater, how did you install your debian? |
| 08:51.07 | revelater | Ragan, you don't want to know |
| 08:51.14 | revelater | Ragan, trust me |
| 08:51.30 | Ragan | revelater, kernel version? |
| 08:51.42 | jerome | jm_: I'm already on it. |
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| 08:51.51 | revelater | Regen 2.4.18? |
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| 08:52.23 | revelater | Ragan sorry, 2.4.18 |
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| 08:52.28 | Ragan | revelater, do you have alsa-modules installed? |
| 08:53.01 | revelater | Ragan let me check |
| 08:53.07 | Ragan | ! |
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| 08:54.15 | revelater | no, says its obsolete |
| 08:54.37 | revelater | Ragan refered to by another pkg alsa-nase |
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| 08:54.49 | revelater | Ragan base |
| 08:55.18 | Ragan | revelater, hmm |
| 08:55.45 | Ragan | revelater, well, I'm just about out of ideas |
| 08:55.58 | revelater | Ragan i just did a build-dep on alsa-base, gave me one small package: Dpatch |
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| 08:56.59 | revelater | Ragan and if you must know, i upgraded from stable by manipulating apt-get, so thats how i installed it |
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| 08:57.18 | Ragan | revelater, hmm, try 'apt-get install base-files base-config' |
| 08:57.28 | valdyn_ | revelater: you're still using a woody kernel? |
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| 08:58.07 | revelater | vldyn_ yes why? |
| 08:58.18 | Ragan | !dist-upgrade |
| 08:58.18 | dpkg | ask me about 'potato->woody' or 'stable->testing', or a parameter to apt-get which will do intelligent dependency handling (as opposed to "upgrade"). It will install new packages and clobber old ones as needed. Do not blindly use dist-upgrade. man apt-get, and read carefully. |
| 08:58.21 | Ragan | revelater, did you 'apt-get dist-upgrade'? |
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| 08:58.53 | valdyn_ | !info alsa-base woody |
| 08:58.53 | revelater | Ragan, yes, and i have the newst version of the base stuff |
| 08:58.55 | dpkg | alsa-base: (ALSA driver common files), section sound, is optional. Version: 0.9+0beta12-3 (woody), Packaged size: 31 kB, Installed size: 220 kB |
| 08:59.37 | Ragan | revelater, if I were you, I'd upgrade my kernel to 2.6.8 |
| 08:59.55 | revelater | Ragan ok, ist it easy? |
| 09:00.03 | Ragan | revelater, that outta take care of the skipping assuming thingy |
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| 09:00.20 | Ragan | revelater, yeah, just apt-get it |
| 09:00.48 | revelater | Ragan, what files exactlly should i apt-get? |
| 09:01.08 | Ragan | revelater, what does uname -r return? |
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| 09:01.47 | revelater | Ragan cause there are header file and source files and the lot, 2.4.18 bf24 |
| 09:02.06 | valdyn_ | revelater: which cpu do you have? |
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| 09:02.35 | revelater | amd intell compatible (i386?) |
| 09:02.47 | WauloK | ok. i built a new kernel and installed it. its symlinked from /vmlinuz but when i reboot i still get the old 2.2.20 kernel |
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| 09:03.03 | Ragan | revelater, 'apt-get install kernel-image-2.6.8-10-386' |
| 09:03.07 | valdyn_ | revelater: which one exactly ( cat /proc/cpuinfo if you dont know ) |
| 09:03.53 | Ragan | revelater, or 'apt-get install kernel-image-2.6.8-2-386' |
| 09:04.11 | Ragan | valdyn_, replace 386 with your cpu |
| 09:04.15 | revelater | whats the 2 and 10 stand for? |
| 09:04.25 | Ragan | argh, for revelater last message |
| 09:04.37 | revelater | gomen |
| 09:04.51 | Ragan | revelater, revision |
| 09:05.13 | valdyn_ | revelater: thats debian kernel maintainers "patch level" to tell incompatible versions apart |
| 09:05.13 | revelater | model : 10 |
| 09:05.13 | revelater | model name : AMD Athlon(tm) XP 2800+ |
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| 09:05.40 | revelater | does that help? |
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| 09:06.20 | valdyn_ | revelater: yea, your kernel would be kernel-image-2.6.8-2-k7, but -386 works for you too |
| 09:06.26 | WauloK | i built 2.6.11.5 but after installing and rebooting i still get 2.2.20 |
| 09:06.33 | revelater | thoought so |
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| 09:07.10 | valdyn_ | WauloK: first of all, your running woody and plain woody doesnt support 2.6 |
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| 09:08.23 | WauloK | valdyn_ : i updated to Sarge today |
| 09:08.30 | valdyn_ | WauloK: secondly, how did you install that kernel? if you didnt do it w/ make-kpkg you have to fix the bootloaders yourself |
| 09:08.41 | WauloK | yup make-kpkg |
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| 09:09.20 | valdyn_ | WauloK: and that didnt fix your bootloader? |
| 09:09.35 | WauloK | i guess not |
| 09:09.39 | revelater | valdyn_, Ragan, currently downloading, may take a while, and i may be down for a while (especially if it doesn't work) but thanks, now i am going downstairs to clean up mess in kitchen, thanks for the help, i will be back if it does work, maybe not if it doesn't (till tomorrow anyway) |
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| 09:09.48 | Quinn_Storm | hey, anyone know anything about getting lm-sensors working? I've got a via board and it works fine with mbmon and xmbmon, but despite loading all the various i2c and such modules that sensors-detect and various google sites suggest, I can't get lm-sensors to read my sensors |
| 09:09.58 | Ragan | revelater, afterwards : reboot & 'init 1' or kill artsd & 'uname -r' to check if you're running the new kernel & alsaconf |
| 09:09.58 | WauloK | dpkg -i kernel-image...etc.deb |
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| 09:09.59 | valdyn_ | WauloK: loot at /etc/lilo.conf to see which kernel(s) its trying to boot |
| 09:10.00 | dgtlm00n | hi all |
| 09:10.09 | WauloK | <PROTECTED> |
| 09:10.11 | Ragan | revelater, okay, good luck, I think it will work now |
| 09:10.13 | dgtlm00n | just got a cheapy webcamera, how do i find out what chipset it is? its showing up when i plug it in |
| 09:10.14 | WauloK | <PROTECTED> |
| 09:10.35 | WauloK | i tried that, dpkg ;) |
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| 09:10.49 | dgtlm00n | tam: Bus=01 Lev=02 Prnt=05 Port=03 Cnt=02 Dev#= 7 Spd=12 MxCh= 0 |
| 09:10.49 | dgtlm00n | dak: Ver= 1.10 Cls=00(>ifc ) Sub=00 Prot=00 MxPS=64 #Cfgs= 1 |
| 09:10.49 | dgtlm00n | pw: Vendor=0c45 ProdID=602d Rev= 1.01 |
| 09:10.49 | dgtlm00n | Seb: Product=USB camera |
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| 09:10.59 | dgtlm00n | argh sorry |
| 09:11.14 | Ragan | !tell dgtlm00n about flood |
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| 09:11.43 | dgtlm00n | no probs |
| 09:11.49 | dgtlm00n | hmm not sure where to go with this webcam |
| 09:12.13 | WauloK | installed using 'dpkg -i kernel-image-2.6.11.5..(etc).deb |
| 09:12.32 | Ragan | dgtlm00n, did you finish the paste? if not please do in #flood |
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| 09:12.57 | nagual | hm |
| 09:13.03 | nagual | whats wrong with dict |
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| 09:13.37 | dgtlm00n | Ragan: im not sure who can help me tho |
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| 09:14.02 | Ragan | dgtlm00n, have you tried a google with some of the keywords? |
| 09:14.11 | bob2 | so |
| 09:14.12 | valdyn_ | WauloK: did you run "lilo" manually yet? |
| 09:14.18 | bob2 | oh |
| 09:14.19 | bob2 | awesome |
| 09:14.24 | Ragan | dgtlm00n, like Vendor & ProdID? |
| 09:14.26 | dgtlm00n | Ragan: yeh, i tried the manuf and prod ID |
| 09:14.37 | WauloK | lilo config ran after I installed the kernel with that command |
| 09:14.45 | dgtlm00n | pw: Vendor=0c45 ProdID=602d Rev= 1.01 |
| 09:15.13 | nagual | dict.org is down :( |
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| 09:15.40 | valdyn_ | WauloK: run it again , tell on which device its installing the bootloader, if you dont see it, give the "boot=..." line from your lilo.conf |
| 09:15.59 | Ragan | dgtlm00n, '+Vendor=0c45 +cam +linux' returns 18 pages |
| 09:16.20 | dgtlm00n | i tried webcam +602d |
| 09:16.26 | dgtlm00n | ill try yours hang on |
| 09:17.08 | dgtlm00n | [Linux-usb-users] Unsupported webcam -> dustbin ? |
| 09:17.10 | dgtlm00n | oh no |
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| 09:18.45 | revelater | Ragan, u still there? |
| 09:18.58 | Ragan | revelater, yeah |
| 09:19.09 | revelater | got this message, check flood |
| 09:19.22 | dgtlm00n | looks like a unsupported webcam |
| 09:19.46 | Ragan | dgtlm00n, try http://www.linuxquestions.org/questions/showthread.php?threadid=68391 havn't read it but may help |
| 09:20.20 | Ragan | revelater, just type 'n' and check what it commands you =) |
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| 09:20.32 | WauloK | valdyn_ : thanks. that seemed to do the trick but it didnt like my new kernel. stopped and told me to put something else in the root=... section |
| 09:20.32 | revelater | ...k |
| 09:21.00 | valdyn_ | WauloK: which is your root= ? and what kind of interface? sata? |
| 09:21.07 | WauloK | <PROTECTED> |
| 09:21.08 | WauloK | ide |
| 09:21.24 | WauloK | thats / but /dev/hdb1 is /boot |
| 09:21.26 | revelater | Ragan, now check this :Do you want me to create a link from /boot/initrd.img-2.6.8-2-386 to initrd.img?[Yn] |
| 09:21.40 | Ragan | revelater, sure thing |
| 09:21.44 | dgtlm00n | Ragan: hmm same vendor comepltly different product tho :( |
| 09:21.57 | revelater | Ragan, doesn't that do what it wanted me too |
| 09:22.28 | Ragan | dgtlm00n, ahh, spam the maker of the hardware demanding drivers for your choice of os |
| 09:22.45 | Ragan | revelater, yeah, just ignore it if you like, it isn't really that big a deal |
| 09:22.58 | valdyn_ | WauloK: dont think thats a problem, but someone would need to read the whole "error" message to tell, what does your boot= point to? |
| 09:23.13 | WauloK | <PROTECTED> |
| 09:23.22 | Ragan | dgtlm00n, and if it doesn't say windows only on the box, sue their asses |
| 09:23.23 | valdyn_ | WauloK: looks good too |
| 09:23.31 | revelater | Ragan, how about this: you already have a LILO configuration in /etc/lilo.conf |
| 09:23.31 | revelater | Install a boot block using the existing /etc/lilo.conf? [Yes] |
| 09:23.39 | Ragan | revelater, just overwrite |
| 09:23.39 | valdyn_ | WauloK: booting works? |
| 09:23.44 | dgtlm00n | yeh |
| 09:23.47 | Ragan | revelater, 'Yes* |
| 09:24.04 | revelater | Ragan, sorry, i have never upgraded a kernel before |
| 09:24.11 | dgtlm00n | the box says nothing at all about requiring windows |
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| 09:24.20 | Ragan | revelater, np, tomorrow you have =) |
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| 09:24.52 | WauloK | valdyn_ : yes. it gives me Linux and Linux Old along with my Windows XP partitions |
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| 09:25.20 | dgtlm00n | :~( |
| 09:25.29 | valdyn_ | WauloK: ok, great - question is why it was wrong first though, but uh, if things work.. fine |
| 09:25.36 | revelater | Ragan ok going for a reboot now, hopefully be up in a little while, thanks for the help |
| 09:25.54 | WauloK | valdyn_ : well. the lilo does but the new kernel wont boot ;) will have to rebuild it i guess |
| 09:25.55 | Ragan | dgtlm00n, that is a legal issue in most countries, and hell it should be! nothing is worse than buying new hardware that is unsupported in some os and doesn't states it |
| 09:26.06 | Ragan | revelater, afterwards : reboot & 'init 1' or kill artsd & 'uname -r' to check if you're running the new kernel & alsaconf |
| 09:26.15 | valdyn_ | WauloK: oh, a selfmade kernel? |
| 09:26.17 | dgtlm00n | Ragan: yeh ok, ill just travel to china....... |
| 09:26.25 | revelater | Ragan cool will do |
| 09:26.31 | Ragan | revelater, good luck |
| 09:26.38 | dgtlm00n | Ragan: anyway, Jaycar will give me a refund no problems, havent damaged the packaging and have the recipt |
| 09:26.39 | Ragan | dgtlm00n, ahh =/ |
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| 09:26.42 | WauloK | valdyn_ : yerp |
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| 09:27.17 | valdyn_ | WauloK: ok - thats a little tricky to get right first time. |
| 09:27.17 | mooded | hey all.. anybody knows how one marks a file in etc as a conffile ? (when building custom packages) ?? lintian.debian.org isnt reachable, as i would look it up myself.. |
| 09:27.43 | Ragan | dgtlm00n, just remember, if it doesn't states it's windows only, asume it is, if it isn't, sue their MS friendly butts |
| 09:27.52 | WauloK | valdyn_ : yea. i guess i'll give it another go :) |
| 09:27.56 | Ragan | dgtlm00n, only way they'll learn |
| 09:28.28 | dgtlm00n | yeh it is certainly very frustrating |
| 09:28.42 | dgtlm00n | like buying webcams off ebay for yrou linux system wouldbe a nightmare, imagine trying to post it back etc |
| 09:28.54 | dgtlm00n | but then when you goto the shops they only have 1 or 2 models on the shelf |
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| 09:29.10 | dgtlm00n | have to dig around, maybe buy one that people have mentioned they have working in linux |
| 09:29.17 | Ragan | dgtlm00n, hardware makers would avoid this (and get a bit better sales) if they released their drivers open-sourced |
| 09:29.29 | Ragan | dgtlm00n, good luck =) |
| 09:29.30 | dgtlm00n | Ragan: yeh i know this argument well, dont worry :) |
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| 09:30.08 | stuartSan | hm how do i dpkg a .deb file |
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| 09:30.20 | mooded | stuartSan: man dpkg |
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| 09:31.09 | MobyTurbo | mooded: there's no such thing. Maybe you need parameters to ./configure. Type ./configure --help |
| 09:31.11 | Ragan | stuartSan, 'dpkg -i <deb file>' |
| 09:31.11 | van_Nistelrooy | yeah, man dpkg |
| 09:31.27 | stuartSan | mooded, i did that, and all it did was show me a bunch of text! |
| 09:31.30 | van_Nistelrooy | dpkg -i -- install a deb |
| 09:31.31 | stuartSan | lol j/k brb. |
| 09:32.28 | directhex|work | there's a difference between 'support' and 'support' for hardware manufacturers, and the sheer level of tech support re-training to 'support' linux often means it's not worth it for them |
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| 09:32.40 | Ragan | van_Nistelrooy and dpkg, get a room... |
| 09:32.41 | nomed^ | hi |
| 09:32.47 | mooded | stuartSan: ever tried reading that bunch of text ? |
| 09:33.01 | Noid | i have a gtk based application and the font is tiny, there is no option to change it inside the menus, where can i fix that? is there a general gtk font option? |
| 09:33.19 | mooded | MobyTurbo: its a binary package.. so no ./configure... thanks anyways.. |
| 09:33.23 | Ragan | mooded, man displaying helpfull text must be an error |
| 09:33.38 | mooded | Ragan: ^^ seems so |
| 09:33.41 | Ragan | stuartSan, 'dpkg -i <deb file>' you lazy bastard =) |
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| 09:34.11 | directhex|work | Noid, gtk-theme-switch |
| 09:34.13 | MobyTurbo | mooded: if it's not a Debian binary package then it might be looking for different configuration files than are on your system, as you mentioned. There's nothing you can do about that. |
| 09:35.03 | van_Nistelrooy | dpkg -i | --install package_file...Install the package. If --recursive or -R option is specified, package_file must refer to a directory instead. |
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| 09:35.27 | mooded | MobyTurbo: its lintian which is moaning about the errors.. its a debian package policy to mark these files as config files.. it is definitely some info i have to add somewhere.. |
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| 09:36.04 | nomed^ | emm .. i'm trying to apt-get nvidia 6629 from http://people.debian.org/~rdonald/nvidia/ |
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| 09:36.10 | MobyTurbo | mooded: I have very limited experience in building my own packages. |
| 09:36.18 | simonrvn | mooded: what's the error? |
| 09:36.30 | nomed^ | it seems it doesn't exist anymore in sarge |
| 09:36.46 | Noid | directhex|work: thanks, gonna try that |
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| 09:36.57 | mooded | MobyTurbo: no matter.. im pretty happy with it.. besides i couldnt yet find out how to fix _that_ concrete error.. error is "file-in-etc-not-marked-as-conffile" |
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| 09:37.10 | Ragan | nomed^, and? |
| 09:37.17 | nomed^ | so i wrote an /etc/apt/preferences .... |
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| 09:37.25 | mooded | simonrvn: file-in-etc-not-marked-as-conffile, is the error |
| 09:37.29 | simonrvn | mooded: a file in debian/ does that. sec |
| 09:37.29 | Ragan | nomed^, cool |
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| 09:37.40 | mooded | simonrvn: thought so .. but which ? ;) |
| 09:37.45 | simonrvn | conffiles |
| 09:37.59 | mooded | ah great.. thanks a lot simonrvn .. ill look that further up .. :) |
| 09:38.06 | simonrvn | or <future package>.conffiles |
| 09:38.08 | nomed^ | but some "headers" are broken ... does it depend by the Sources.gz? |
| 09:39.00 | Ragan | nomed^, havn't got a clue, why don't you downloaded the latest from nvidia and install that? it's pretty straightforward |
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| 09:39.40 | nomed^ | Ragan, i've them but with the 6629 it was better |
| 09:39.50 | MM2_ | Interesting: I don't have binary kernel package installed, instead I have kernel-source package... Is that debian default way to install kernel? |
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| 09:40.06 | van_Nistelrooy | MM2_, no |
| 09:40.10 | sep | kernel-image is default way |
| 09:40.12 | nomed^ | sometimes everything is locked ... and i can't do anything |
| 09:40.33 | nomed^ | with v=6629 this didn't happen |
| 09:40.37 | Ragan | nomed^, doesn't nvidia have older driver versions? |
| 09:40.48 | van_Nistelrooy | apt-cache search kernel-image, find one, and install it |
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| 09:41.00 | MM2 | how I can safely upgrade my kernel from 2.2 to 2.4 kernel? |
| 09:41.03 | nomed^ | i feel but i prefore the deb version |
| 09:41.14 | van_Nistelrooy | 2.2? woody? |
| 09:41.34 | Ragan | nomed^, http://www.nvidia.com/object/linux_display_ia32_1.0-6629.html |
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| 09:42.54 | possie | wich software kan i use, in order to setup a pptp connection to a remote vpn server? |
| 09:43.03 | nomed^ | Ragan, i know ... i would just install the ones of Randall Donald .. the mantainer |
| 09:43.45 | aardvark | spammm |
| 09:43.47 | Ragan | nomed^, don't they have a faq or any help there? |
| 09:43.47 | van_Nistelrooy | pptp-linux - Point-to-Point Tunneling Protocol (PPTP) Client |
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| 09:44.15 | van_Nistelrooy | possie, try pptp-linux |
| 09:44.16 | nomed^ | maybe you could take a look on my /etc/apt/preferences ... just to see if i wrote something wrong |
| 09:44.24 | aardvark | !ops DraGon SoS spambot crapfest |
| 09:44.25 | dpkg | Hydroxide, bob2, caphuso, dondelelcaro, doogie, eeyore-, ElectricElf, greycat, helix, ljlane, LoRez, mentor, Netsnipe, TML, walters, xk: DraGon SoS spambot crapfest |
| 09:44.31 | van_Nistelrooy | for server, pptpd - PoPToP Point to Point Tunneling Server |
| 09:44.33 | Ragan | nomed^, sure, post it in #flood |
| 09:44.34 | nomed^ | Ragan, you mean in nvidia web page? |
| 09:44.36 | pulu | is anyone having trouble reaching packages.debian.org? |
| 09:44.37 | nomed^ | thanks |
| 09:44.48 | Ragan | nomed^, no, the maintainer |
| 09:44.58 | mwilson | Why do all these people think they need to write an apt preferences file? |
| 09:44.59 | Ragan | pulu, no |
| 09:45.05 | mwilson | I've never understood it. |
| 09:45.08 | nomed^ | Ragan, no |
| 09:45.23 | Ragan | mwilson, *nods* |
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| 09:45.44 | Ragan | revelater, sound? |
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| 09:46.16 | revelater | Ragan, no sound, and kernal doesn't work, am using bootfloppy |
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| 09:46.22 | aardvark | bob2: Jasmine\17 |
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| 09:46.25 | directhex|work | !kernal |
| 09:46.25 | dpkg | *KERNEL* *KERNEL* *KERNEL* |
| 09:46.31 | SlayerXP | !ops "dragon" and "sos" are on-join porn spammers |
| 09:46.32 | dpkg | Hydroxide, bob2, caphuso, dondelelcaro, doogie, eeyore-, ElectricElf, greycat, helix, ljlane, LoRez, mentor, Netsnipe, TML, walters, xk: "dragon" and "sos" are on-join porn spammers |
| 09:46.40 | bob2 | bah |
| 09:46.42 | Ragan | hmm, what error? |
| 09:46.43 | streuner | pulu: nope |
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| 09:46.55 | bob2 | SlayerXP: I've already banned them both |
| 09:47.04 | aardvark | bob2: Jasmine\17 :-| |
| 09:47.07 | dgtlm00n | nup |
| 09:47.10 | SlayerXP | bob2: do quicker next time. *tsk* |
| 09:47.11 | dgtlm00n | back to the shop for this shitty webcam |
| 09:47.17 | dgtlm00n | cant open it with screwdriver either |
| 09:47.24 | revelater | Ragan, kernel panic cannot find root system or something like that |
| 09:47.45 | aardvark | ... |
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| 09:47.51 | nomed^ | Ragan, it's in flood |
| 09:48.01 | sciboy | Hello, i need an app to cut a 15 second segment out of 10 minutes of dvd video, could you recommend a tool that is better suited than LiVES |
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| 09:48.10 | Ragan | revelater, 'ls -l /boot' in #flood |
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| 09:48.18 | bob2 | aardvark: didn't hit me that time, but ... |
| 09:48.34 | aardvark | bob2: it joined after you banned the other 2 |
| 09:48.38 | bob2 | ah |
| 09:48.48 | Ragan | nomed^, seems alright, sorry, I'd say install manually |
| 09:48.58 | nomed^ | ok |
| 09:49.01 | nomed^ | thanks |
| 09:49.20 | Ragan | nomed^, unless you are missing kernel-source of course |
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| 09:49.52 | revelater | Ragan, done |
| 09:49.58 | TinoW | sciboy: I use mpgtx |
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| 09:50.37 | nomed^ | Ragan, kenel-source should be ok |
| 09:50.40 | phorce1 | Could someone familiar with Postfix+MySQL (on a Sarge box) have a look at http://www.phorce1.us/postfixprob.htm and point me to the right pages to read? The question and it's attendant config snips are a bit long to post here. I've googled and scrolled through MySQL/Postfix docs for several hours now. |
| 09:50.44 | Ragan | revelater, and lilo.conf please |
| 09:50.50 | nomed^ | or better ... for sure |
| 09:51.36 | revelater | Ragan, where is lilo.conf |
| 09:51.51 | Ragan | revelater, in /etc/lilo.conf if I recall right |
| 09:52.05 | bob2 | phorce1: just a case of getting your sql query right, afaict |
| 09:52.09 | bob2 | let me look... |
| 09:52.12 | Ragan | nomed^, try contacting the maintainer then, he's properly on top of it |
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| 09:52.52 | nomed^ | Ragan, i was thinkin' on this ... there shold be more people that have my problem |
| 09:52.53 | bob2 | phorce1: afaict that will be hard because you can't just get the domain using a query |
| 09:53.12 | Ragan | nomed^, yeah always is =) |
| 09:53.27 | phorce1 | bob2: yeah, but I can't figure out how to concatenate fields from 2 separate tables and make that concatenation be what is returned to postfix |
| 09:53.35 | viyyer | some interesting . discussion on patents.. and need for patents |
| 09:53.36 | viyyer | http://mail.sarai.net/pipermail/commons-law/2005-March/002269.html |
| 09:53.36 | viyyer | http://mail.sarai.net/pipermail/commons-law/2005-March/002307.html |
| 09:53.40 | phorce1 | bob2: yeah, what you said <grin> |
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| 09:55.31 | bob2 | phorce1: the domains table only has one field? |
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| 09:55.50 | phorce1 | bob2: I think I'll have to add a "domain" field to the "users" table as well and concatenate it from there. |
| 09:56.25 | Ragan | revelater, zzz, stupid comments =) |
| 09:56.40 | revelater | Ragan, flood has over flooded |
| 09:56.42 | revelater | Ragan sorry |
| 09:56.46 | revelater | Ragan can't help it |
| 09:56.52 | Ragan | revelater, nah, np =) |
| 09:56.56 | phorce1 | bob2: Yes. I thought it was odd but was following the HOWTO linked from that page |
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| 09:57.06 | bob2 | phorce1: http://kirb.insanegenius.net/postfix.html |
| 09:57.17 | bob2 | phorce1: that's worked great for me in the past |
| 09:57.43 | viyyer | sorry bob2 for flooding.. !! not intended |
| 09:57.46 | Ragan | revelater, can you find '# Boot up Linux by default.'? paste the content after that |
| 09:57.56 | phorce1 | bob2: Even if I were using Courier as the HOWTO does I wouldn't want the email for users from several domains dumped into a single directory. Yuck. |
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| 09:58.10 | bob2 | phorce1: oh, right |
| 09:58.14 | bob2 | phorce1: I used dovecot, too |
| 09:58.26 | bob2 | just found that db schema/postfix config to work well |
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| 09:58.46 | cocozz_ | Hi all,im trying to use my USB Bluetooth mouse on laptop but X11 only recognizes touchpad as mouse, what can I do ? |
| 09:58.58 | phorce1 | bob2: Reading the page now. |
| 09:59.39 | karsten | cocozz_: select /dev/input/mice for your mouse |
| 10:00.15 | revelater | Ragan, posted |
| 10:00.15 | phorce1 | bob2: There were a LOT of hits for courier+postfix+mysql in google, I just picked the one that touted itself as Debian specific. Missed the one you just pointed me to. |
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| 10:00.30 | rschuerken | how can i foind out what version of INN a server (i have root) is running? |
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| 10:00.34 | bob2 | phorce1: ah, yeah, I spent ages finding one that worked |
| 10:00.41 | nomed^ | one question more ... |
| 10:00.53 | revelater | Ragan something else... |
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| 10:01.07 | revelater | Ragan posted |
| 10:01.16 | nomed^ | does someone know when and if debian will use xorg? |
| 10:01.21 | Ragan | revelater, only default=Linux and nothing else? |
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| 10:02.10 | bob2 | nomed^: /topic |
| 10:02.25 | revelater | Ragan there is more i will post |
| 10:02.27 | nomed^ | ohh ok |
| 10:02.35 | phorce1 | bob2: Heh -- it'll mean going back and tweaking around in Dovecot again -- that actually works correctly. The only problem I have is not being able to get Postfix to deliver into the folder structure that Dovecot is reading. |
| 10:02.47 | usuario | cristina |
| 10:03.32 | bob2 | phorce1: yeah...you could do something funky with string functions in your query, I think |
| 10:03.32 | cocozz_ | karsten, I tried it but it stills using the touchpad |
| 10:03.36 | Ragan | revelater, there's the problem, watch flood |
| 10:03.38 | bob2 | phorce1: but you'd need a mysql dude for that |
| 10:04.07 | revelater | Ragan k |
| 10:04.12 | usuario | ¿quien eres? |
| 10:04.27 | bob2 | usuario: obviously not |
| 10:04.52 | usuario | ¿de donde eres? |
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| 10:05.07 | Ragan | revelater, before you reboot let's make sure everything is alright with a 'ls -l /' in #flood |
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| 10:05.24 | phorce1 | bob2: The thing is, that postfix config file isn't being nice about MySQL operations. I think Postfix is "pre-processing" the syntax in there before sending to MySQL because attempts to regular MySQL command syntax in that config failed miserably. |
| 10:05.28 | MobyTurbo | !es |
| 10:05.28 | dpkg | Hispanohablantes: Por favor usen #debian-es, alli obtendran mas ayuda. Spanish Speakers: Please use #debian-es, there you will get much more help. |
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| 10:05.49 | bob2 | phorce1: hm, ok |
| 10:06.00 | bob2 | phorce1: the debian-isp list might be a decent place to ask for more detailed help |
| 10:06.37 | usuario | ¿como te llamas? |
| 10:06.59 | phorce1 | bob2: OK. I think that's one I've never actually joined though I've drifted around many others depending on current daily email load. |
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| 10:07.31 | MobyTurbo | usuario: solo engles in la #Debian |
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| 10:07.54 | nomed^ | i feel dpkg can pass the Turing test :) |
| 10:08.00 | aardvark | bob2: ACTiVe |
| 10:08.33 | usuario | soy cristina |
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| 10:08.58 | aardvark | usuario: fuck off, we don't need your crap too. |
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| 10:09.10 | Noid | aardvark: she's just lost |
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| 10:09.37 | Noid | usuario: vete a un canal en español, por ejemplo #debian-es |
| 10:09.44 | aardvark | Noid: bullshit. the rimatards always come here with this same crap. |
| 10:10.04 | Ragan | revelater, you should be able to reboot now |
| 10:10.22 | Ragan | revelater, afterwards : reboot & 'init 1' or kill artsd & 'uname -r' to check if you're running the new kernel & alsaconf |
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| 10:10.35 | DemisM | well, guys it doesn't work :) |
| 10:10.36 | Noid | aardvark: hahaha @ the rimatards thing |
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| 10:10.50 | Ragan | revelater, I have no idea why it skipped that one, strange indeed |
| 10:11.14 | revelater | Ragan ... hmmm well, off to reboot i go!!! |
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| 10:11.24 | Ragan | revelater, good luck =) |
| 10:11.26 | Noid | aardvark: well, if you say so... |
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| 10:15.54 | van_Nistelrooy | close |
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| 10:16.20 | tga | hey, any idea why php5 is not at least in sid? |
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| 10:16.48 | jm_ | there's something about that in BTS I believe |
| 10:16.51 | Ragan | !php5 |
| 10:16.51 | dpkg | well, php5 is at ``deb http://packages.dotdeb.org ./'' but remember to read http://devel.dotdeb.org and remove the line or you'll hose your system, or http://lists.debian.org/debian-devel/2004/12/msg01992.html (for sid), but don't yell at us when they break your system, or see http://bugs.debian.org/262977 |
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| 10:17.10 | tga | Ragan: and how does that answer my question? |
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| 10:17.35 | DotHack | tga: itll be anwered if you read the links |
| 10:17.59 | tga | I looked over the bug page but it's not obvious what the problem is |
| 10:18.04 | smr | got a question about ssh and AllowUsers setting |
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| 10:18.12 | smr | I have woody and sarge here |
| 10:18.23 | Ragan | tga, you can get it at 'deb http://packages.dotdeb.org' but beware of 'http://bugs.debian.org/262977' also be remember that 'http://devel.dotdeb.org' |
| 10:18.26 | smr | Need to limit ssh access to one user only |
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| 10:18.50 | smr | AllowUsers works in woody but not in sarge |
| 10:19.09 | smr | ie. if I add AllowUsers smr to sshd_config |
| 10:19.52 | benjamindees | is AllowUsers already in the config file someplace else? |
| 10:20.39 | smr | nope |
| 10:20.48 | smr | I even tried to copy sshd_config from woody |
| 10:21.04 | smr | and comment out two obsolete settings |
| 10:21.06 | DotHack | smr whoa check versions of ssh |
| 10:21.37 | smr | 3.8.1p1-8.sarge.4 |
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| 10:22.21 | DotHack | smr: you did restart sshd ? |
| 10:22.33 | smr | several times |
| 10:22.37 | DotHack | smr and sshd_config is in /etc/ssh/ |
| 10:22.41 | smr | yes |
| 10:22.52 | smr | <PROTECTED> |
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| 10:23.03 | smr | should restart ok, shouldn't it? |
| 10:23.08 | benjamindees | yup |
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| 10:23.25 | cyberyo | io |
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| 10:25.24 | orjan__ | I'm setting up exin4 (testing). When I telent in there is a delay about 25 s. I seems to remeber having read sometime it can be ident. Would it be a good idea to get ident running? Any good url, factoid? |
| 10:26.10 | petemc | orjan__: its not a bad idea to run ident, but probably better to reduce the time exim waits before timing out |
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| 10:26.59 | orjan__ | petemc: timing out waiting for ident? |
| 10:27.04 | petemc | rfc1413_query_timeout = 0s |
| 10:27.14 | petemc | adjust to suit |
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| 10:27.46 | WauloK | ok the error I get is "VFS: Cannot open root device "345" or unknown_block(3.69)" |
| 10:27.55 | orjan__ | petemc: can it be set via exim4-config or do I have to edit conf files? |
| 10:28.01 | WauloK | Please append a correct "root=" option |
| 10:28.12 | petemc | orjan__: i dont know, dont use debonf |
| 10:28.21 | orjan__ | petemc: ok thanks |
| 10:28.23 | cahoot | smr: no useful msg in the log(s)? |
| 10:28.24 | smr | AllowUsers seems to work in sid |
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| 10:28.53 | revelater | Ragan, got it |
| 10:29.03 | smr | just that session opened for that user |
| 10:29.11 | smr | auth.log |
| 10:29.16 | revelater | Ragan sound is working |
| 10:29.19 | orjan__ | petemc: if I get ident, is there any securety to think about? |
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| 10:29.33 | smr | nothing in syslog |
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| 10:29.58 | petemc | orjan__: same as any listening daemon i guess |
| 10:30.10 | smr | does pam have anything to do with this? |
| 10:30.14 | orjan__ | petemc: ok thanks again |
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| 10:31.04 | smr | ssh version seems to be the same in sid |
| 10:31.18 | Ragan | revelater, yay! =) |
| 10:31.33 | WauloK | anyone seen that lilo boot error before? |
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| 10:32.03 | revelater | Ragan, btw, i had to run lilo to get it to config |
| 10:32.15 | Ragan | revelater, np, a problem always has a solution, just give it some time |
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| 10:32.23 | revelater | ok!! |
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| 10:32.26 | revelater | now another |
| 10:32.29 | revelater | lol |
| 10:32.31 | Ragan | revelater, ahh, it didn't boot after the two line additions? |
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| 10:32.37 | Ragan | revelater, sure, bring it on |
| 10:32.40 | revelater | Ragan nope |
| 10:32.43 | carnage | how do i extract a .rar file? |
| 10:32.46 | smr | no diff in /etc/pam.d/ssh |
| 10:33.10 | revelater | Ragan, ok, this is kindof for KDE but it may not |
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| 10:33.35 | Ragan | carnage, 'apt-get install unrar' or better yet 'apt-get install unrar-nonfree' if you have non-free added in sources |
| 10:33.44 | Le_Vert | yop |
| 10:33.49 | Ragan | revelater, okie, what? |
| 10:34.24 | rschuerken | how can i foind out what version of INN a server (i have root) is running? |
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| 10:34.37 | WauloK | hmm. seems like others have had the same problem :-/ |
| 10:34.37 | Ragan | !tell carles about unrar |
| 10:34.50 | revelater | Ragan i have a dvd-rom and cdrw, however the compueter only has in the mount section the dvd-rom, how to i get it to automatically recognize the cdrw |
| 10:34.52 | Ragan | WauloK, try liloconf |
| 10:35.16 | WauloK | ok |
| 10:35.28 | Ragan | revelater, hmm, two drives, only one detected? |
| 10:35.46 | daaku | anyone good with lirc? i'm trying to get my reciever to work, i've configured hardware.conf somewhat |
| 10:36.11 | revelater | Ragan i can manually get it through mounting hdd to crom-1 but i have to do it everytime i change disks |
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| 10:36.17 | WauloK | where's liloconf ? or should i apt-get it? |
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| 10:36.50 | Ragan | WauloK, sorry, liloconfig |
| 10:37.16 | revelater | Ragan trying to mount it directly through hdd gives me a fstab error |
| 10:37.17 | grumpydog | <-- illustir has quit ("Download Gaim: http://gaim.sourceforge.net/") I hate people spmming gaim. |
| 10:37.18 | Ragan | revelater, sorry, I don't have any solution on my mind there |
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| 10:37.27 | WauloK | ok |
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| 10:37.36 | carnage | Package unrar is not available, but is referred to by another package. This may mean that the package is missing, has been obsoleted, or is only available from another source |
| 10:37.36 | carnage | E: Package unrar has no installation candidate |
| 10:37.43 | revelater | Ragan how about getting fstab to recognize it? |
| 10:37.50 | kaner | apt-get install unrar-nonfree carnage |
| 10:37.52 | WauloK | ok rebooting. wish me luck |
| 10:37.55 | Ragan | revelater, which error? tried with -t auto? |
| 10:38.06 | carnage | that doesn't work either |
| 10:38.17 | kaner | then apt-get update :) |
| 10:38.36 | revelater | Ragan how would the syntax work on that? |
| 10:38.43 | Ragan | carnage, do you have non-free in your sources, also what deb version are you using? |
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| 10:39.09 | kaner | Ragan: i guess he just needs to update |
| 10:39.14 | carnage | how do i find the deb version? |
| 10:39.22 | kaner | cat /etc/debian_version |
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| 10:39.51 | Ragan | revelater, in fstab just put in auto in the type field, manually it's -t auto |
| 10:39.52 | carnage | 3.1 |
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| 10:40.06 | kaner | sarge |
| 10:40.21 | WauloK | nah same error |
| 10:40.25 | kaner | plz perform apt-ger udpate && apt-get install unrar-nonfree |
| 10:40.31 | kaner | s/ger/get |
| 10:40.56 | Ragan | carnage, WauloK, what error exactly? |
| 10:41.02 | WauloK | ok the error I get is "VFS: Cannot open root device "345" or unknown_block(3.69)" |
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| 10:42.19 | revelater | Ragan how do i access fstab? |
| 10:42.23 | Ragan | Walther, no idea... http://www.google.com/search?hl=en&lr=&q=%22VFS%3A+Cannot+open+root+device+%22345%22%22&btnG=Search |
| 10:42.35 | Ragan | revelater, edit /etc/fstab |
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| 10:42.47 | toresbe | Failed to fetch http://ftp.no.debian.org/debian/pool/main/libs/libsdl1.2/libsdl1.2-dev_1.2.7+1.2.8cvs20041007-4.1_i386.deb MD5Sum mismatch |
| 10:42.53 | toresbe | that's not something you see everyday |
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| 10:43.12 | toresbe | and it's over a quite stable link, too! |
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| 10:43.55 | carnage | how do i free up space on my hard drive? i only allocated 3 gigs to debian and it seems to be full but i just created anothe 60 gig ext2 partition |
| 10:44.19 | TinoW | carles: mkfs or rm -rf ? |
| 10:44.38 | TinoW | carles: or what do you mean? ;) |
| 10:44.55 | zcram | uhh... there was some trick to resize partititions... if i'm not wrong that is |
| 10:44.59 | Ragan | carnage, you can mount that 60 gig to any folder, for example /mnt/60gig |
| 10:45.01 | js_ | i got a bash script in my crontab, but for some reason it wont run... all i got thereis * * * * * /my/script.sh ... if i run it manually it works.. any idea what this can be about? |
| 10:45.08 | zcram | or make extra part for /usr |
| 10:45.35 | revelater | Ragan go to flood |
| 10:45.51 | carnage | so i should copy everything from /usr to my new partition and then mount this new partition as /usr? |
| 10:46.07 | zcram | something like that |
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| 10:46.22 | zcram | but use cp -Rav or similar |
| 10:46.25 | grumpydog | God knows why you put in another partition carnage you should just copy it over. |
| 10:46.27 | zcram | to preserve soft links |
| 10:46.37 | revelater | Ragan, yes i logged in as root |
| 10:46.39 | carnage | it used to be ntfs |
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| 10:46.45 | TinoW | is there a trick to get ACPI running on a fairly new board? |
| 10:46.52 | grumpydog | 3 giggs is not nearly enough depending on what you want to run |
| 10:46.56 | carnage | so i got rid of it and turned it into an empty ext2 |
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| 10:48.13 | goodshit | hi, i'm using grub boot loader. how do i put in a password in grub. so people can boot up from single mode and change my password. when people boot up from single mode. it will prompt them for a grub password. how do i set that? anyone know how?? thanks |
| 10:48.17 | grumpydog | carnage, are you on a dual boot there? |
| 10:48.25 | carnage | no |
| 10:48.48 | carnage | but i was when i installed debian |
| 10:48.48 | Ragan | carnage, should be possible to resize your 3 gigs but I wouldn't recommend it -> http://www.google.com/search?hl=en&lr=&q=how+to+resize+ext2+partitions&btnG=Search |
| 10:48.59 | TinoW | carnage: I guess you just want to use it with debian? man mount |
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| 10:49.37 | Ragan | revelater, paste your fstab in flood |
| 10:49.40 | carnage | the 3 gigs that i'm working with now is reiserfs... not ext2... ext2 is the empty 60gig partition i made yesterday |
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| 10:50.46 | TinoW | carnage: I'd better not use ext2 on a 60gig partition anyway |
| 10:50.54 | karsten | goodshit: less /boot/grub/menu.lst and 'man menu.lst'. |
| 10:50.55 | Jaak | hey guys, im having a weird problem with debian unstable |
| 10:50.57 | luulis | js_: you probably cant use cron to run it all the time, at least specify just the minutes (every hour) and try that. |
| 10:51.00 | Jaak | i hope its nothing critical |
| 10:51.01 | karsten | goodshit: md5 hash required. |
| 10:51.10 | Jaak | its just: |
| 10:51.10 | Jaak | The following packages have been kept back: |
| 10:51.10 | Jaak | <PROTECTED> |
| 10:51.12 | TinoW | Jaak: how would we know? |
| 10:51.21 | js_ | luulis: i run the same script on several other boxes without problems |
| 10:51.24 | karsten | goodshit: ...um. Not required, but available. |
| 10:51.26 | Jaak | but libgtkmm depends on libatk 1.9 |
| 10:51.32 | Jaak | but debian only has 1.8 |
| 10:51.36 | daaku | anyone know how to setup a serial lirc reciever? i'm having problems in gettin it to work |
| 10:51.59 | Jaak | am i only one having this? |
| 10:52.01 | fortytwo | daaku: it was i while since i last did that, but sure |
| 10:52.17 | fortytwo | whats the problem? |
| 10:52.20 | Ragan | Jaak, apt-get upgrade |
| 10:52.38 | Jaak | yes i did |
| 10:52.49 | revelater | Ragan i also have a hd partition i forgot to mount |
| 10:52.49 | Jaak | thats what it returns |
| 10:52.57 | Jaak | also, dist-upgrade say same thing |
| 10:53.10 | Ragan | !tell jaak about unstable |
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| 10:53.58 | daaku | fortytwo: i'm using a custom kernel, and i've compiled lirc as modules using make-kpkg, when i load the lirc_serial driver, dmesg says: lirc_serial: auto-detected active high receiver.. but /etc/init.d/lircd wont start, and mode2 wont display any output |
| 10:54.05 | Jaak | ah, so its perfectly normal? :P |
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| 10:54.34 | fortytwo | daaku: seems wierd |
| 10:54.45 | js_ | luulis: the logs say it runs, but it doesnt do what its supposed to, and it seems like it quits instantly |
| 10:54.45 | Ragan | revelater, add the line '<put 2nd device name here> <path to it> iso9660 ro,user,noauto 0 0' |
| 10:55.03 | Ragan | Jaak, yeah =) |
| 10:55.20 | daaku | fortytwo: yup.. i'm hoping its not a bug in the lirc modules itself, cause its a 'pre' version! |
| 10:55.40 | Ragan | revelater, what is /dev/hdd and just mkdir another mount destination |
| 10:55.52 | fortytwo | daaku: try using the stable version? |
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| 10:56.40 | daaku | fortytwo: this is what sid installed by default.. but i'm gonna try another version soon if this doesnt work |
| 10:56.48 | fortytwo | ok |
| 10:57.01 | fortytwo | i use mine in a gentoo machine |
| 10:57.06 | fortytwo | or used |
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| 10:57.13 | fortytwo | now it's just laying around |
| 10:57.21 | WauloK | the error I get is "VFS: Cannot open root device "345" or unknown_block(3.69)" |
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| 10:58.13 | Ragan | this just cracked me up =) http://ghost.dk.homepage.dk/irc.png |
| 10:58.31 | nomed^ | Ragan, i switched to 6629 and now everything it's workin perfectly .... |
| 10:58.45 | Ragan | nomed^, cool, congratz =) |
| 10:58.48 | nomed^ | maybe this can help someone .... just to comunicate |
| 10:58.51 | revelater | Ragan alright but my partition is a reiserfs, what do i put in then (hda3) |
| 10:58.56 | daaku | fortytwo: they're quite useful for music/video. and its cool to have a power switch put off 3 monitors at once! |
| 10:59.08 | nomed^ | 2.6.11.2 and 6629 -1-2 .... no problems |
| 10:59.09 | fortytwo | :-) |
| 10:59.27 | fortytwo | daaku: i played around with mythtv and freevo at the time |
| 10:59.51 | Ragan | revelater, /dev/hda3 /home reiserfs defaults 0 2 <-- replace /home of course |
| 10:59.54 | fortytwo | quite nice to have a sweet gui and remote control when playing dvd's etc. |
| 11:00.20 | Ragan | nomed^, ahh |
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| 11:01.44 | Ragan | revelater, if in doubt about a fs type, do it manually with 'mount -t auto <device> <mount point>' to see what it is |
| 11:02.02 | goodshit | why does it take so long. when i type grub. it says. Probing devices to guess BIOS drives. This may take a long time. |
| 11:02.06 | daaku | fortytwo: yup.. although i like the gui on my xbox better! my next project is to be able to access my music/videos on any of my computers over the xbox, and stream it! |
| 11:02.12 | revelater | i have it set to mount to /arch (to archive downloaded anime) |
| 11:02.27 | jez | why does "starting MTA" take ages for me when my network connection is down, even though I set it to 'local delivery only; not on a network'? |
| 11:02.39 | revelater | ragan, sorry forgot to put your name in the last one |
| 11:02.39 | jm_ | jez: name resolution |
| 11:02.40 | fortytwo | daaku: i streamed all dvds/divx/mp3's and som on from my fileserver (nfs) |
| 11:02.47 | Ragan | revelater, cool, be sure to set user/group owner before mounting |
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| 11:03.03 | daaku | fortytwo: onto your xbox? xbmc? |
| 11:03.04 | fortytwo | daaku: was very easy to setup , just att a line in fstab and go |
| 11:03.05 | jez | jm_ what names does it need to resolve if it's on that local only setting? |
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| 11:03.11 | revelater | ragan how would i set that? |
| 11:03.14 | fortytwo | daaku: nah, ty my linux htpc |
| 11:03.20 | jm_ | jez: probably local one |
| 11:03.25 | fortytwo | daaku: don't have an xbox |
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| 11:03.45 | jez | i'm fairly sure it can resolve that fine when the network is down. testing it though |
| 11:03.49 | Ragan | revelater, 'chmod revelater:revelator /arch' man chmod if in doubt |
| 11:04.14 | fortytwo | daaku: is xbmc able to playback HRHD files btw? |
| 11:04.29 | fortytwo | considering the rather slow cpu in it |
| 11:05.06 | petemc | xbmc doesnt support nfs, only samba |
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| 11:05.43 | daaku | fortytwo: i'm not sure.. i think there was some beta HD stuff. never tried it though. |
| 11:05.57 | revelater | looks like maybe i got it... |
| 11:06.07 | revelater | Ragan, look like maybe i got it |
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| 11:06.30 | Ragan | revelater, try umount'ing it and do 'mount -a' to test it |
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| 11:07.25 | petemc | jez: install ifplugd, should stop that problem |
| 11:07.40 | revelater | Ragan only root can unmount it... |
| 11:08.16 | jez | i've fixed it now, my /etc/hosts just needed a minor adjustment |
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| 11:09.06 | Ragan | revelater, yeah, if you mounted as root, the user and noauto option makes sure you can mount/unmount as a normal user |
| 11:09.13 | jm_ | jez: right |
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| 11:10.14 | revelater | yah its not letting me unmount it |
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| 11:10.24 | revelater | how do i unmount through the comman line? |
| 11:10.34 | Ragan | revelater, 'umount <device or path> [-l]' |
| 11:11.04 | Pappa | does anyone have a proper mtab they can paste up somewhere |
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| 11:11.53 | Ragan | Pappa, depends on your system what is proper |
| 11:12.03 | Pappa | well |
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| 11:12.09 | Pappa | it complains about /dev /.dev unknown rw,bind 0 0 |
| 11:12.21 | Pappa | which sort of says "broken udev" |
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| 11:12.57 | Pappa | i could remove the '.' but.. |
| 11:13.01 | Ragan | Pappa, uhm, yeah |
| 11:13.10 | Ragan | Pappa, what are you trying to mount? |
| 11:13.32 | Pappa | i'm not trying to mount anything i'm trying to do a updatedb |
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| 11:14.34 | revelater | Ragan HAH!!!!! its working!!!! |
| 11:14.35 | Ragan | Pappa, do you have a memorystick or something? |
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| 11:14.39 | Ragan | revelater, cool =) |
| 11:14.43 | Pappa | no |
| 11:14.54 | Ragan | Pappa, any USB device? |
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| 11:15.08 | Pappa | a joystick and a mouse |
| 11:15.14 | Pappa | lol |
| 11:15.14 | revelater | Ragan i think thats it for today, you have been a great help, many thanks for your patience, God bless |
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| 11:15.35 | Ragan | revelater, np =) I was were you are 6 month ago, good luck on your journey =) |
| 11:16.05 | revelater | Ragan it is late and i must take my leave now, and thank you, i will need all of the luck i can get! |
| 11:16.21 | Ragan | revelater, stop by if you need any help, take care |
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| 11:16.43 | revelater | Ragan will do |
| 11:18.50 | WauloK | ok rebooting again |
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| 11:20.38 | hafid | buenas dias a todos |
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| 11:24.11 | Ragan | !spanish |
| 11:24.11 | dpkg | Hispanohablantes: Por favor usen #debian-es, alli obtendran mas ayuda. Spanish Speakers: Please use #debian-es, there you will get much more help. |
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| 11:25.43 | brosio | anyon could said me merilat repository ? |
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| 11:27.04 | petemc | brosio: if i understand you correctly, /msg dpkg marillat |
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| 11:27.21 | WauloK | YAY got that problem fixed. now my network doesnt work. next on the list ; |
| 11:27.22 | WauloK | ) |
| 11:27.58 | brosio | thx |
| 11:28.12 | Ragan | WauloK, what's the problem? |
| 11:28.52 | WauloK | I kept getting "VFS: Cannot open root device "345" or unknown_block(3.69)" .. appears i somehow forgot to enable IDE support |
| 11:29.03 | WauloK | now i just have to find my network card so i can put that in the kernel too |
| 11:29.23 | jm_ | or forgot to include initrd image in boot loader's config file |
| 11:29.39 | Ragan | WauloK, hmm, I wonder why it doesn't intall it automaticly, are you using woody or something? |
| 11:29.41 | WauloK | me? no it was definitely ide. i recompiled and that fixed it |
| 11:29.46 | WauloK | Sarge |
| 11:29.51 | WauloK | i had woody but updated to sarge today |
| 11:29.59 | WauloK | then compiled my own kernel |
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| 11:30.09 | jm_ | then you indeed screwed up kernel config |
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| 11:30.53 | WauloK | yea well its a learning experience :) |
| 11:31.38 | WauloK | at least i can boot into the new kernel |
| 11:32.17 | Ragan | WauloK, to much time on your hands? =) |
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| 11:34.28 | brosio | anyone known if is possible get the temperature of geforce 6600/6800? |
| 11:35.07 | Le_Vert | gdesklets has some desklets to read nvidia cards temperature |
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| 11:35.15 | Le_Vert | dunno if it ll works on your |
| 11:35.19 | Le_Vert | but u may try |
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| 11:40.47 | sciboy | Hiya, i was wondering whether there is an app a n00b who has no time to learn how to use tools can use to setup a network connection? |
| 11:41.18 | bob2 | er? |
| 11:41.19 | WauloK | Ragan : just like to try a later kernel than 2.2.20 so i installed 2.6.11.5 |
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| 11:41.22 | bob2 | just edit /etc/network/interfaces |
| 11:41.24 | bob2 | it's like 3 lines |
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| 11:41.45 | bob2 | eXCaLiBuR: hi there? |
| 11:41.53 | jm_ | 4 lines I |
| 11:41.53 | sciboy | bob2, thats not very convenient at the moment, i need something i can quickly apt. |
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| 11:41.56 | jm_ | 'd say |
| 11:42.02 | jm_ | sciboy: etherconf |
| 11:42.26 | sciboy | jm_, Thanks =) |
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| 11:46.50 | sciboy | for smbfs support under 2.6.10 do i just install the 'smbfs' package? |
| 11:47.17 | possie | can i configure NFS such a way that when the NFS server all of a suddon becomes in accesible that it doesn't wait long period of time before timing out? e.g. afther doing a df |
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| 11:48.19 | bodq | I want to have pcal output for 2 months on one page |
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| 11:52.25 | jm_ | bodq: so do it |
| 11:52.34 | bodq | jm_: how? |
| 11:52.59 | bob2 | !+find iostat |
| 11:53.01 | dpkg | Updating debian files... please wait. |
| 11:53.19 | dpkg | Debian Search of 'iostat' (5 of 9): (/usr/bin/iostat) in admin/sysstat ;; (/usr/src/vaiostat.tar.gz) in misc/vaiostat-source ;; (/usr/share/modass/packages/vaiostat-source) in devel/module-assistant ;; (/usr/share/munin/plugins/{iostat|iostat_ios}) in net/munin-node ;; (/usr/share/devhelp/books/sdl/sdlgetaudiostatus.html) in doc/devhelp-book-sdl. |
| 11:53.31 | jm_ | bodq: tell it to print two pages on one |
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| 11:54.10 | bodq | jm_: i'm not sure how |
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| 11:55.15 | jm_ | bodq: what do you use for printing? |
| 11:55.17 | ruzbeh | is it possible for me to install a previous version of, for example Nautilus with apt-get? |
| 11:55.36 | jm_ | ruzbeh: /msg dpkg sdn |
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| 11:55.43 | ruzbeh | ok |
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| 11:55.50 | p88 | hi all |
| 11:56.04 | directhex|work | !sdn |
| 11:56.04 | dpkg | rumour has it, sdn is go to http://snapshot.debian.net to get older packages. Almost every single package since somewhere in 2002 is here. |
| 11:56.07 | directhex|work | ruzbeh, ^^ |
| 11:56.26 | directhex|work | ruzbeh, though nautilus is so ingrained in gnome, it's likely to die if you try to change just that one package |
| 11:56.34 | p88 | are there any metacity users here? |
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| 11:56.51 | bodq | jm_: I get .ps file, i just lpr it |
| 11:56.57 | directhex|work | ruzbeh, why do you want old nautilus? the old look & feel are achievable with a gconf edit |
| 11:57.01 | pokui | is it just me or does /msg'ing dpkg not work? |
| 11:57.18 | p88 | it works |
| 11:57.18 | ruzbeh | directhex|work: i don't plan on using it with gnome, and i want the old nautilus becuzzzz |
| 11:57.22 | p88 | and it is talking russian to me |
| 11:57.27 | ruzbeh | it has a builtin image viewer and its nicer and stuff |
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| 11:57.38 | ruzbeh | and it allows me to play .wmv -_- i can't stand that warning thing 2.8 has |
| 11:57.48 | jm_ | bodq: is that lpr from cupsys-bsd? because cups supports such things natively, alternatively one can use mpage |
| 11:57.48 | pokui | hmm.. probably my silly client. |
| 11:58.07 | directhex|work | ruzbeh, nautilus cannot be separated from gnome. it depends on more gnomish packages than either of us can count to |
| 11:58.13 | p88 | I have a problem with metacity |
| 11:58.15 | ruzbeh | directhex|work: yes i know |
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| 11:59.07 | p88 | I can't use its functions in vnc |
| 11:59.10 | ruzbeh | directhex|work: i guess maybe i can live without the builtin image viewer, but do you think i can get rid of that warning when you try to play .wmv files? |
| 11:59.22 | directhex|work | ruzbeh, maybe. check in gconf-editor |
| 11:59.28 | ruzbeh | k |
| 11:59.35 | p88 | does metacity have a menu? |
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| 12:03.13 | bodq | jm_: I lied, i use ps2pdf and then I print in on windoze because we have GDI printer |
| 12:03.23 | p88 | no metacity people? :-( |
| 12:03.34 | bodq | p88: ? |
| 12:03.38 | bodq | p88: what's your problem? |
| 12:03.40 | resiak | p88: Try #gnome on irc.gnome.org |
| 12:03.55 | bodq | p88: can't use isn't vert descriptive |
| 12:03.58 | bodq | *very |
| 12:04.04 | jm_ | bodq: well use mpage before creating the PDF file and also try printing to it directly as to avoid manual copying |
| 12:04.29 | p88 | my problem is that I can't open a new window/start a new program/use its virtual desktop function |
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| 12:04.52 | resiak | p88: over VNC? or in general? |
| 12:05.10 | p88 | over vnc I haven't tried in general |
| 12:05.28 | resiak | p88: Why not? |
| 12:05.30 | p88 | but I tried blackbox and it works also the menu of blackbox loads well. |
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| 12:05.34 | bodq | jm_: thanks |
| 12:05.46 | resiak | p88: Well, the solution is clear: the *boxen are better than Metacity :) |
| 12:06.06 | p88 | resiak: do you know how to edit the blackbox menu? |
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| 12:06.14 | resiak | p88: RTFM :) |
| 12:06.17 | p88 | ok |
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| 12:06.44 | p88 | I am going out to try blackbox on the vnc |
| 12:06.47 | resiak | p88: I'm an openbox fan myself. |
| 12:06.53 | p88 | openbox... |
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| 12:07.33 | resiak | p88: That's it, embrace it :) |
| 12:07.46 | bodq | p88: metacity is not very useful without gnome |
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| 12:07.59 | Noid | is there a small, fast, and easy to use file manager that can be configured to make the equivalent of a root jail so that the user cannot go higher than his home directory? |
| 12:08.09 | bodq | p88: you could run nautilus and gnome-panel if you want panel and menu |
| 12:08.37 | resiak | bodq: I've been trying to get gnome-panel working, but it doesn't seem to like being started from my .xsession. Have you done that? |
| 12:09.16 | bodq | resiak: it need gnome-session-manager i presume |
| 12:09.19 | mooded | noid, where'd be the sense in that ? |
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| 12:09.27 | directhex|work | resiak, you need some gnomish services started up first for it to be happy with that. try launching xfce-mcs-manager first |
| 12:09.33 | benjamindees | Noid, not that I'm aware of, but would be a nice feature |
| 12:09.41 | mooded | omg.. |
| 12:09.47 | bodq | Noid: bash :) |
| 12:09.49 | directhex|work | resiak, xfce-mcs-manager is much lighter than the gnome version, but works just as well |
| 12:10.05 | benjamindees | mooded, users are idiots, easily confused :( |
| 12:10.17 | resiak | directhex|work: I'm running xfce-mcs-manager. |
| 12:10.20 | directhex|work | :/ |
| 12:10.49 | Noid | mooded: in making a media center that lets a user manage his files but doesn't confuse him by showing strange "folders" |
| 12:10.51 | mooded | benjamindees: yea sure, but i understood it as some sick form of security measurement.. |
| 12:10.55 | resiak | directhex|work: Hang in there. I'm firing up my laptop, and I'll let you know what it actually says. I'd kinda given up on it. |
| 12:11.11 | Noid | bodq: this is for not typing people, you know (; |
| 12:11.36 | mooded | benjamindees, Noid : as it shall only hinder them from getting confused, forget what i said ;) |
| 12:11.44 | Noid | benjamindees: yeah, someone somewhere must've thought of that |
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| 12:12.04 | Noid | mooded: hehehe |
| 12:12.04 | bodq | Noid: anyway, why bother then? |
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| 12:12.20 | Noid | bodq: because it's my job? |
| 12:12.26 | bodq | Noid: just say "there is no .., if you go there you'll fall off the edge of the filesystem" :) |
| 12:12.35 | benjamindees | heh |
| 12:12.46 | Noid | bodq: heh, not an option d-: |
| 12:13.14 | bodq | Noid: patch the nautilus :) |
| 12:13.36 | benjamindees | Noid, kde has pretty good kiosk support from what I hear |
| 12:13.51 | Noid | bodq: last resort, but i've thought of that... patching a file manager is not my cup of tea, anyway d-: |
| 12:14.42 | bodq | Noid: you reminded me... :) |
| 12:14.50 | Noid | benjamindees: no, this is a low end machine, no kde in there, it's just a freevo over ratpoison with menu options for browser, mail, and if i can make it, file manager |
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| 12:15.29 | benjamindees | Noid, ah, so patch the browser I guess... |
| 12:16.07 | p88 | bodq: If I understand this correctly, metacity is just the windowmanager and that's it. So this makes metacity even smaller than twm. |
| 12:16.26 | resiak | directhex|work: qq(The panel encountered a problem while loading "OAFIID:GNOME_WindowListApplet". [snip]); Similarly for WorkspaceSwitcherApplet. |
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| 12:16.45 | Noid | benjamindees: there MUST be a file manager that let's you lock the users in their $HOME, come on d-: |
| 12:16.46 | directhex|work | resiak, :x. never seen that |
| 12:16.54 | jm_ | resiak: I there's no way metacity is smaller than twm |
| 12:16.58 | resiak | directhex|work: But lo! I killall it, load it up again, and everything Just Works. |
| 12:16.58 | Noid | benjamindees: just gotta find it |
| 12:17.03 | resiak | jm_: Don't tell me. I know :) |
| 12:17.17 | jm_ | resiak: sorry, it was for p88 ;) |
| 12:17.28 | jm_ | not sure how I managed to type r; instead of p; |
| 12:17.28 | resiak | directhex|work: ph33r teh gconf errors (I guess.) |
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| 12:17.48 | HazeFaze | hi! |
| 12:17.50 | resiak | directhex|work: I thin I just answered my own question. |
| 12:18.23 | p88 | jm_: but twm has more functions that metacity has |
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| 12:19.00 | HazeFaze | i am looking for a possibility to send a mail by smtp with, no pop3 oder something spezial |
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| 12:19.44 | jm_ | p88: I wouldn't know about that, I never tried metacity |
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| 12:19.55 | Kzimm | hi |
| 12:20.06 | resiak | HazeFaze: u!confuse HazeFaze |
| 12:20.09 | resiak | :x |
| 12:20.12 | resiak | !confuse HazeFaze |
| 12:20.13 | dpkg | No, them was my pineapple today, HazeFaze? pants of the people's republic of micronesia with extra anchovies |
| 12:20.15 | p88 | metacity is the tightvnc default |
| 12:20.37 | resiak | p88: No, GNOME is the tightvnc default IIRC |
| 12:20.38 | Kzimm | i use growisfs for burn a dvd but seams to not be very good with windows :/ i dunno what option to put to have a full compatibility dvd |
| 12:20.39 | jm_ | it is? I'd say tightvnc uses standard Debian's session |
| 12:20.50 | HazeFaze | :) a tool just for a shell |
| 12:20.52 | resiak | p88: As jm_ syas. Ignore me. |
| 12:21.08 | resiak | HazeFaze: You mean, a tool you can pipe mail to to send it? |
| 12:21.13 | jm_ | Kzimm: I use -dvd-compat and it works just fine |
| 12:21.15 | p88 | resiak: It is not. I installed tightvnc on a new system and it had metacity as default |
| 12:21.25 | p88 | oh no it doesn't |
| 12:21.29 | p88 | it has x-window-manager |
| 12:21.32 | jm_ | right |
| 12:21.34 | resiak | p88: Eeeexactly. |
| 12:21.43 | jm_ | that's standard Debian's session stuff |
| 12:21.51 | p88 | resiak: But x-window-manager is linked to metacity |
| 12:21.51 | HazeFaze | i want to send a mail on my address if a machine is in trouble for example low disk space |
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| 12:21.57 | jm_ | it first tries to use x-session-manager, then x-window-manager |
| 12:22.01 | p88 | jm_: is that changable? |
| 12:22.02 | resiak | HazeFaze: Is your MTA set up right? |
| 12:22.03 | Kzimm | jm_: i will try thanks and do you know how put a name on the dvd ? i mean for windows or mac when you enter a CD or DVD he has a name |
| 12:22.05 | resiak | p88: update-alternatives |
| 12:22.06 | jm_ | p88: but of course |
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| 12:22.12 | p88 | :) |
| 12:22.25 | HazeFaze | u mean sendmail for example? |
| 12:22.32 | p88 | Thanks a lot. I am new to Debian. Migrated from freebsd where this doesn't exist |
| 12:22.34 | ruzbeh | is apt-get install <package> basically a wget + dpkg -i <package>? |
| 12:22.49 | jm_ | Kzimm: mkisofs options, namely -V blabla |
| 12:22.51 | resiak | ruzbeh: No, because apt does dependency resolution. |
| 12:22.57 | ruzbeh | resiak: ok |
| 12:23.06 | resiak | HazeFaze: Well, if you use sendmail proper, you're insane. Exim4? |
| 12:23.21 | Kzimm | jm_: thanks a lot ! |
| 12:23.25 | HazeFaze | i have exim4 installed |
| 12:23.36 | ced | Bye all, have a nice life ;°) |
| 12:23.44 | HazeFaze | but i am not sure that it works correct |
| 12:23.49 | resiak | HazeFaze: Use `mail` to send yourself a mail to test that. |
| 12:23.54 | resiak | !faq HazeFaze |
| 12:23.55 | dpkg | HazeFaze: http://www.linuks.mine.nu/debian-faq-wiki/ |
| 12:24.08 | HazeFaze | but it sends only locally |
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| 12:24.28 | resiak | HazeFaze: Then set it up right. |
| 12:24.36 | HazeFaze | i want to get a messages on a public email address |
| 12:24.52 | HazeFaze | k i try |
| 12:24.54 | resiak | HazeFaze: You mean, send a message to a public email address. If exim4 is set up right, mail will work. |
| 12:25.20 | HazeFaze | k i thought it just sends internal |
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| 12:26.24 | alai | hello |
| 12:26.36 | alai | hello everybody |
| 12:26.42 | Kzimm | jm_: growisofs -V Grenadier -dvd-compat -Z /dev/cdrom -R -J /home/data/tempo/Grenadier/ <= this will create a cd with name "grenadier" and that contain file in /home/data/tempo/Grenadier/ without any dir right ? |
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| 12:27.03 | jm_ | Kzimm: no, you don't use it like that |
| 12:27.17 | Kzimm | :/ |
| 12:27.28 | jm_ | growisofs [-dry-run] [-dvd-compat] [-overburn] [-speed=1] -[Z|M] /dev/dvd <mkisofs-options> |
| 12:27.31 | jm_ | see that? |
| 12:27.45 | jm_ | so stick -V before -R |
| 12:27.58 | Kzimm | ho okay |
| 12:28.18 | Kzimm | and file will be direct on the CD ? |
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| 12:28.24 | Kzimm | the directory in right ? |
| 12:28.34 | jm_ | what do you mean with that? I don't understand your question |
| 12:28.48 | Kzimm | i want on the dvd just the file in /home/data/tempo/Grenadier/ |
| 12:28.55 | Kzimm | and not the grenadier dir |
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| 12:29.04 | Kzimm | i mean i want /home/data/tempo/Grenadier/* |
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| 12:29.33 | jm_ | yes, you can use mkisofs to create the image first and verify if it's OK |
| 12:29.56 | Kzimm | k thx alot for all |
| 12:29.57 | torpet | i have to build debianized sources of the linux-wlan-ng sources... how shall i do this? with dh_make? |
| 12:30.19 | jm_ | torpet: no |
| 12:30.41 | pokui | hi all, when migrating my kmail folders, I usually coppy over ~/Mail as well as ~/.kde/share/config/kmailrc. However, it ends up re-downloading *ALL* the previous messages (if I've left a copy on the server). Any idea where kmail stores it's cache of msgids seen or?? |
| 12:30.42 | torpet | can you help me? i couldn't find a solution |
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| 12:31.03 | jm_ | torpet: install devscripts and run debuild |
| 12:31.14 | jm_ | debuild -uc -us -b or somesuch |
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| 12:31.56 | torpet | thanks |
| 12:32.00 | Kzimm | jm: last one :) if i have and iso i just have to do growisofs -dvd-compat -Z /dev/cd0=imagefile.iso |
| 12:32.00 | torpet | i'll give it a try |
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| 12:32.12 | Kzimm | right ? |
| 12:32.29 | jm_ | Kzimm: yes |
| 12:32.30 | Kzimm | jm_: thanks |
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| 12:32.30 | torpet | have you done it yourself? |
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| 12:32.41 | jm_ | Kzimm: read the EXAMPLES section in the man page |
| 12:32.56 | jm_ | torpet: not with this package |
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| 12:34.48 | torpet | are there any other ways too exept the debuild one? |
| 12:34.48 | jm_ | yes, you can call dpkg-buildpackage or use debian/rules |
| 12:34.48 | orjan__ | I'm trying to setp exim4, when running exim4-config one of the questions is the hostname. Further down in the same questions it talks about fqdn. On my box the command hostname only gives the box name without domain. Which should it be? |
| 12:35.23 | Pappa | orjan__: the fqdn |
| 12:35.35 | orjan__ | Pappa: oki thanks |
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| 12:39.38 | orjan__ | I have exim4 setup and mial out works. Ingoing mail gives :553 sorry, that domain isn't in my list of allowed rcpthosts (#5.7.1)> |
| 12:39.42 | startxblack | hi. i recently installed linux and after solving some problems i can tell i am very happy with it. i read i need to disable some services on my *desktop laptop*. which of the following can i disable? : auth, mdmonitor, messagebus, nifid, rhnsd, xinetd ?? |
| 12:39.47 | jm_ | orjan_: you can use hostname --fqdn |
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| 12:40.02 | jm_ | you need to tell it the domain for which it will accept mail |
| 12:40.03 | resiak | startxblack: What version of Linux? |
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| 12:40.58 | startxblack | sorry. GNU/Linux |
| 12:41.07 | resiak | startxblack: What distribution? |
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| 12:41.14 | orjan__ | jm_: hmm I think I did in exim4-config but have to check again |
| 12:41.14 | resiak | WRF> |
| 12:41.16 | jm_ | and what is desktop laptop :) |
| 12:41.26 | resiak | tr/R>/T?/ |
| 12:41.33 | resiak | jm_: I think it's best not to ask :) |
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| 12:42.39 | JohnnyST | Is there some way to limit the bandwith usage for a file or directory or perhaps a virtual host in apache? |
| 12:42.40 | resiak | jm_: /whois him -- Fedora XD |
| 12:43.50 | orjan__ | jm_: hostname --fqdn gives localhost, hostname gives the box name. |
| 12:44.00 | Kzimm | jm_:/dev/cdrom: "Current Write Speed" is 8.2x1385KBps. but he burn at 2X :/ |
| 12:44.13 | jm_ | orjan__: that's unusual |
| 12:44.40 | netbug | #join crack |
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| 12:45.04 | jm_ | Kzimm: I don't know about that, it has always matched the speed for me - it can drop it later on, for example if it can't read fast enough |
| 12:45.29 | Kzimm | hum k ty |
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| 12:46.04 | jm_ | it usually says the average writing speed was 3.9x when I burn at 4x |
| 12:46.24 | jm_ | if I burn at 2x, it also says average was 2x in the end |
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| 12:47.51 | ep | http://www.nixp.ru/pub/img/just4fun/how_debian_changes_people.jpg |
| 12:48.10 | torpet | is somebody here who created official kernel-module source packages? |
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| 12:49.28 | chealer | hehe, I should get one of those T-shirts :) |
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| 12:49.35 | torpet | me too |
| 12:49.43 | torpet | :) |
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| 12:55.44 | outlaw | good day could someone please tell me where the LD_LIBRARY_PATH variable is set? |
| 12:56.40 | jor | outlaw: in whatever shell you use, e.g. bash uses 'export LD_LIBRARY_PATH=/path/to/somewhere' |
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| 12:58.27 | outlaw | jor I was thinking more along about changing the value for every user (globally) |
| 12:58.35 | jor | outlaw: /etc/profile I think |
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| 12:59.09 | outlaw | how could I forget .... shrugs that's what happens when your over 40 :) |
| 13:00.01 | jm_ | why would you set it for users? |
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| 13:00.37 | insanekane | /j #kubuntu |
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| 13:02.01 | outlaw | perhaps I going about this wrong way folks having a problem with xorg and a suggestion was made to modify the LD_LIBRARY_PATH |
| 13:02.17 | KennyP_ | CaT is an onjoin spammer |
| 13:02.17 | jm_ | outlaw: well either that or use ld.so.conf |
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| 13:03.04 | outlaw | that seems like a better approach jm_ |
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| 13:03.48 | ep | Mozilla was installed by default but Package mozilla-firebird is not available, but is referred to by another package. Why is this? |
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| 13:05.58 | outlaw | may I enquire if anyone else present is using xorg on a debian? |
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| 13:06.41 | drac | outlaw: yes. why? |
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| 13:07.10 | chealer | ep: which package refers it? |
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| 13:07.57 | drac | outlaw: I added this line to /etc/ld.so.conf, /usr/local/X11R6.8/lib, and ran ldconfig. |
| 13:08.25 | mercurus | has anyone else tried using MySQL and OO.o together ? I've got the ODBC connection working nicely, but when I try and add data to the MySQL table, I am limited in how much data I can enter. Even for a VARCHAR (150) field, I can only enter as many characters as I entered in the first row ... any suggestions ? |
| 13:08.29 | ep | chealer, doesn't say thats the partial reply I received when I tried #apt-get install mozilla-firebird |
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| 13:09.54 | ep | This may mean that the package is missing, has been obsoleted, or is only available from another source. |
| 13:09.58 | ep | E: Package mozilla-firebird has no installation candidate |
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| 13:10.13 | outlaw | drac I get this error messg in the xorg.0.log:(EE) Couldn't load XKB keymap, falling back to pre-XKB keymap |
| 13:10.23 | ep | what is "E:"? |
| 13:10.34 | drac | outlaw: That's exactly the reason I added that line to ld.so.conf :-) |
| 13:10.39 | tra1a1a | it's error |
| 13:10.48 | ep | ah |
| 13:11.14 | tra1a1a | and the programme is now called thunderbird not firebird anymore |
| 13:11.42 | outlaw | thank you drac I will try Right Now |
| 13:11.56 | jm_ | no, it's called mozilla-firefox |
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| 13:11.59 | ep | I thgought thunderbird is the mail client and firebird is a slimmed down browser. |
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| 13:12.06 | byers | ep, that's firefox |
| 13:12.24 | tra1a1a | yes, thunderbird is email the browser is firefox |
| 13:12.27 | ep | doh lol right |
| 13:13.04 | byers | i use both religiously... love em |
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| 13:13.32 | Ward | Hi, I'm trying to boot machine with sarge on it with PXE. When booting, I get something like this: "/sbin/init: dev/console not found", "attempt to kill init". Booting with grub works without a problem... Any ideas what it could be? |
| 13:14.39 | tra1a1a | a missing initrd image/parameter? |
| 13:15.27 | Ward | initrd is loaded, I can read it when booting from pxe |
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| 13:16.34 | ep | Where can I find a list of the each package Sarge installs by default for a "Desktop System"? I'm thinking of redoing may redo my install and doing it manually. |
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| 13:16.44 | tra1a1a | so do you have a /dev/console in your initrd? |
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| 13:16.56 | greycat | ep: 1) install sarge. 2) dpkg --get-selections |
| 13:17.01 | byers | greycat, thanks for taking care of that dude :-P |
| 13:18.11 | Blazer | is there a difference betwen dpkg and apt-get |
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| 13:18.32 | Ward | tra1a1a: I dont know, it's just the default kernel image |
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| 13:19.10 | jm_ | Blazer: what do you think? |
| 13:19.17 | tra1a1a | the same one that boots localy with grub? |
| 13:19.38 | tra1a1a | Blazer: there is indeed |
| 13:19.50 | Blazer | I never use dpkg well i just dont understand the difference |
| 13:19.55 | Ward | tra1a1a: no, with grub it works perfect |
| 13:19.55 | tra1a1a | and the manuals will tell you what is it exactly |
| 13:20.54 | tra1a1a | Ward: hmm, dunno. do you use nfs root? |
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| 13:21.05 | Ward | tra1a1a: no just a standard sarge installation |
| 13:21.08 | Blazer | In other words more reading |
| 13:21.12 | Ward | tra1a1a: with a 2.6 kernel |
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| 13:22.27 | tra1a1a | Ward: as far as I know pxe is for netboot |
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| 13:22.52 | tra1a1a | Blazer: the only way |
| 13:23.15 | Blazer | I know |
| 13:23.20 | Blazer | thanks |
| 13:23.56 | Blazer | mutt, exim4, fetchmail, python etc etc |
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| 13:26.52 | pureone | hey all |
| 13:27.15 | Ward | tra1a1a: you can boot a kernel with pxe , and run it local |
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| 13:29.41 | tra1a1a | Ward: so you're booting the kernel from the network and then you want to use a local root? |
| 13:29.49 | Ward | yeah |
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| 13:29.53 | Kzimm | hi re |
| 13:30.02 | Kzimm | how can i empty the cache please ? |
| 13:30.08 | Ward | works perfect with fedora/suse, only debian sarge is doing weird :) |
| 13:30.17 | m4lu5 | Kzimm, the package cache? |
| 13:30.28 | SlayerXP | Kzimm: which cache? |
| 13:30.33 | Kzimm | no i mean /dev/hda3 2885812 2885808 0 100% / |
| 13:30.40 | m4lu5 | eh? |
| 13:30.41 | greycat | Kzimm: that ain't no cache, boy. that's a DISK. |
| 13:30.42 | Kzimm | i have burn a DVD it's perhaps that |
| 13:30.45 | SlayerXP | kzimm: apt-get autoclean |
| 13:30.47 | Kzimm | sorry :/ |
| 13:30.59 | Kzimm | still 100M |
| 13:31.02 | Kzimm | 100% :/ |
| 13:31.19 | SlayerXP | Kzimm: use du to see where stuff is and clean up |
| 13:31.36 | jm_ | Kzimm: did you create the image on your /? |
| 13:31.43 | jm_ | forgot to delete it? |
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| 13:31.50 | Kzimm | how can i use du without follow the link to user HD ? |
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| 13:31.52 | greycat | Kzimm: cd / && du -kx --max-depth=1 | sort -n |
| 13:31.53 | Kzimm | jm_: no :/ |
| 13:32.05 | greycat | Kzimm: the *what* to *where*? |
| 13:32.35 | Kzimm | damn |
| 13:32.38 | Kzimm | thw |
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| 13:32.50 | Kzimm | i have but an .iso in /root :/ |
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| 13:32.53 | ravenbird | ROOOT has landed! |
| 13:33.07 | Kzimm | lol i m sooo noob |
| 13:33.15 | Kzimm | greycat: thx for thi command |
| 13:33.22 | tra1a1a | the missing dev/console is usually a root partition/initrd problem |
| 13:33.55 | pureone | mmmmmm root |
| 13:34.24 | tra1a1a | check the kernel parameters once again |
| 13:34.31 | tra1a1a | maybe you're passing wrong options |
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| 13:36.39 | theone | i have a problem after i build kernel 2.6.11 on linux ..at boot time after bios check is ok ..my computer is restarting ..if someone knows why? |
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| 13:37.01 | drac | theone: knows why what? |
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| 13:37.14 | greycat | theone: because you built it wrong. |
| 13:37.19 | m4lu5 | drac, why his 'puter keepws rebooting. |
| 13:37.29 | drac | ah. |
| 13:37.38 | theone | how is that ..whats is wrong i build it on p 166 |
| 13:37.45 | m4lu5 | oh. i see my fingers refuse to stay away from that 'w' key today. ugh. |
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| 13:38.08 | greycat | If you can't configure a custom kernel properly, perhaps you should consider using a Debian kernel. |
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| 13:38.16 | greycat | Hell, even *I* would not build an upstream 2.6.x kernel and run it! |
| 13:38.43 | m4lu5 | but greycat, that explains why you're still on 2.2.18 kernel ;) |
| 13:38.52 | theone | i got no errors after after configuring man .. an after i make it and modules |
| 13:38.58 | cahoot | greycat: you don't rule out a 2.6 kernel totally? |
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| 13:39.14 | holo | hi |
| 13:39.20 | ix | probably the ide chipset. |
| 13:39.33 | mercurus | I certinaly wouldn't run 2.6.11 on a P166 ... |
| 13:39.40 | holo | anyone here with a working amuleweb? |
| 13:39.49 | greycat | m4lu5: I run 2.4.x at home and on sarge machines |
| 13:39.52 | tra1a1a | I am running an upstream 2.6 kernels for quite some time without any major problems |
| 13:39.53 | theone | but i need a 2.6 for newer video modules |
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| 13:40.09 | mercurus | theone, what's the video card in this 166 ? |
| 13:40.12 | m4lu5 | greycat, indeed. |
| 13:40.15 | greycat | theone: so use a debian one. |
| 13:40.18 | theone | :) an old one |
| 13:40.38 | mercurus | theone, chances are the modules you need are in 2.4 ... |
| 13:40.43 | theone | acctua;;y two a ati of 4 mb and integrated s3 trio of 2 mb |
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| 13:40.56 | mercurus | either way, as greycat has suggested ... a debian kernel would provide what you need |
| 13:41.07 | theone | i need the /dev/fb0 for direct video access |
| 13:41.17 | theone | so i thought 2.6 was good |
| 13:41.22 | greycat | what the HELL? |
| 13:41.41 | greycat | you have the *worst* piece of shit video card that's still available without dumpster diving, and you think a NEW kernel is the key? |
| 13:41.50 | m4lu5 | haha |
| 13:42.03 | theone | yes for newer modules why not? |
| 13:42.03 | tra1a1a | theone: it is ok, you can get 2.6 from sarge or sid |
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| 13:42.08 | SlayerXP | greycat: now now, be nice. he said s3, it could be worse it could be SiS |
| 13:42.24 | jm_ | or intel |
| 13:42.24 | gary | I'm having problems with a bridge on my network. The bridge is from this computer, to my server. THe problem is, i can access the internet and so can my server, however, i can't ssh or ftp to it. I can do it from outside the network though. It's as if it is a one way bridge or something. Any ideas or suggestions? |
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| 13:42.30 | m4lu5 | theone, consider for a moment that the 1.x kernel tree was in full swing when your box came out |
| 13:42.41 | theone | :) |
| 13:42.48 | directhex|work | greycat, i thought you DID have to dumpster dive for those, cheapest cards i've see are meatier than s3 trio |
| 13:43.04 | Ward | tra1a1a: it seems it is a bug listed in the debian bug database |
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| 13:43.26 | tra1a1a | Ward: uhmm |
| 13:43.43 | tra1a1a | what kernels is it affecting? |
| 13:44.00 | theone | perhaps is th ide problem like ix said in directory /boot i got only config-ide 2.4.26 ...an thats all |
| 13:44.12 | tra1a1a | Ward: just out of curiosity - why netboot for local installation? |
| 13:44.27 | holo | i have amuleweb working fine, but not after being mislided by the wiki in www.amule.org which told me to copy only partial needed files to a wrong location, but i fixed it, anyone had the same problem? i thinking to write an email to the author of the wiki |
| 13:44.36 | outlaw | drac may I trouble you for some advice? |
| 13:44.44 | theone | so how should i configure the ide for 2.6?? |
| 13:44.48 | directhex|work | when you consider a geforce fx is £20... |
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| 13:45.00 | petemc | holo: the point of a wiki is anyone can edit it |
| 13:45.16 | greycat | theone: if you have to ask, PLEASE do us all a favor and just apt-get a debian kernel image. |
| 13:45.37 | Ward | tra1a1a: so we can multicast the image over the network and start the image with netboot. We may not touch the mbr |
| 13:45.37 | tra1a1a | theone: you've been told already - use a debian kernel |
| 13:45.51 | theone | i got slackware installed so i dont have apt-get:) only spat-get |
| 13:45.51 | Wille88_ | why my nic drops so many packets? RX packets:3260156 errors:0 dropped:618 overruns:0 frame:0 |
| 13:45.53 | holo | petemc, didn't now that, well that may be dangerous no? :S |
| 13:46.08 | ep | How can I make if necessary and view a log of the startup messages I see at boot? Fascinating but they scroll too fast to catch. |
| 13:46.13 | greycat | Wille88_: is it a realtek 8139? |
| 13:46.18 | jm_ | ep: dmesg+bootlogd |
| 13:46.19 | Wille88_ | greycat: via rhine II |
| 13:46.26 | greycat | Wille88_: check dmesg, check cables, etc. |
| 13:46.34 | Wille88_ | greycat: I have tried many kernels |
| 13:46.41 | tra1a1a | Ward: I see - one upgrade for all the network. Isn't the problem fixed in sid already? Are you using the latest debian kernel? |
| 13:46.43 | holo | petemc, i can edit it but i can't correct one right? |
| 13:46.47 | Wille88_ | greycat: dmesg doesn't say anything intresting |
| 13:46.51 | directhex|work | theone, why do you expect support for slackware in here? |
| 13:46.51 | theone | ep: dmesg | more |
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| 13:47.24 | directhex|work | aha, cheapest new card i can find is SiS315 based |
| 13:47.24 | Wille88_ | greycat: and cabels should be fine |
| 13:47.50 | tra1a1a | ep: a scroll lock key during the boot will stop the messages for you. shift+pgup will scroll them |
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| 13:47.58 | Ward | tra1a1a: we will just try 2.4.x |
| 13:48.17 | Wille88_ | greycat: could nfs make my nic to drop packets? |
| 13:48.21 | tra1a1a | they should also be recorded in the syslog (after it is started) and dmesg will also help |
| 13:48.42 | greycat | Wille88_: better ask a linux/nfs mailing list. the issues are quite subtle. |
| 13:49.07 | outlaw | drac I tried your suggestion .... no luck can you think of anything else I might try this problem is driving me nuts :) |
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| 13:50.05 | Wille88_ | greycat: ok. a friend of mine guessed that the problem could be in the driver because he has exactly same nic and netbsd :/ |
| 13:50.27 | ep | great tips, what's the difference between "dmesg" and "dmesg+bootlogd"? |
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| 13:51.41 | greycat | ep: kernel vs. kernel+userspace |
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| 13:52.35 | [PM]gothtec | I currently have "foo ALL=(ALL) ALL" in my /etc/sudoers file. What do I need to change here to only give the user access to nothing but the /sbin/shutdown command? |
| 13:52.44 | [PM]gothtec | bloody clantag |
| 13:52.53 | greycat | gothtec: man sudoers |
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| 13:53.10 | tra1a1a | you need to read the manuals before asking here |
| 13:54.07 | gothtec | It's a simple question for an answer that takes you guys 10 seconds to write :/ I don't have time for 50 pages of a manual now, as I'm going on vacation. Guess I'll have to leave it with full root access until I get back, then. |
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| 13:54.41 | greycat | gothtec: no, it's not. I would have to read the man pages too. |
| 13:55.00 | greycat | the sudoers syntax is HORRID. |
| 13:55.04 | sep | sudoers are so complex i read man page allways . |
| 13:55.07 | gothtec | Ok. Then that's what I'll do when I get back. |
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| 13:55.17 | jm_ | gothtec: you don't need sudo for this at all |
| 13:55.20 | mtnman | gothtec: have a nice vacation. |
| 13:55.30 | gothtec | jm_: I don't? |
| 13:55.42 | jm_ | gothtec: no, man shutdown, read ACCESS CONTROL section |
| 13:55.43 | gothtec | mtnman: thanks |
| 13:56.04 | gothtec | jm_: okay... I'll see if I have the time. Thanks. |
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| 14:01.45 | ggl_6 | is there any structure that can contain only up to let's say 5 elements, can be easily random-accessed, when structure has the full 5 elements and another element is added, the earliest added element is discarded. |
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| 14:02.38 | greycat | ggl_6: array with a circular index |
| 14:02.59 | ggl_6 | ahh, yes that's good thanks! |
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| 14:08.20 | mastertet | Hello, I want to build e17 form cvs, I get many errors from ./autogen.sh. What packages do I need to install so I can build software from cvs? |
| 14:08.39 | greycat | !faq |
| 14:08.39 | dpkg | The #debian FAQ is at http://www.linuks.mine.nu/debian-faq-wiki/ |
| 14:08.44 | jm_ | mastertet: take a look at source dependencies for Debian's package |
| 14:09.13 | jm_ | Build-depends or how it's called |
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| 14:11.43 | mastertet | jm_, I have build-essential but I still get lots of mistakes while running autogen.sh |
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| 14:12.47 | greycat | mastertet: but of course it never occurred to you to READ them, or to TELL US what they say. |
| 14:12.47 | abrotman | mastertet: they may require a certain version of the auto tools .. might be better to ask them |
| 14:13.09 | greycat | abrotman: or xlibs-dev or libncurses5-dev or ... or ... or ... or ... |
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| 14:13.12 | baikonur | hello |
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| 14:13.16 | abrotman | greycat: heh |
| 14:13.21 | greycat | abrotman: there's no way we can know unless we see the messages. |
| 14:13.35 | abrotman | mastertet: does it say that it is missing a file ? |
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| 14:13.54 | abrotman | like ... blahblah.h ? |
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| 14:14.11 | mastertet | aclocal, autoheader, autoconf, libtoolize, glibtoolize, automake: command not found |
| 14:14.27 | mastertet | I can find some but not all of them usinf apt-cache |
| 14:14.32 | baikonur | I enabled "session required pam_limits.so" in /etc/pam.d/login and /etc/security/limits.conf has "@users hard nproc 100" in it, but now "ulimit -u" show unlimited instead of 100? |
| 14:14.33 | mastertet | using |
| 14:14.44 | Rydekull | mastertet: apt-get install build-essentials |
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| 14:15.17 | greycat | 1) build-essential is not plural. 2) b-e doesn't include all that auto* stuff. |
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| 14:16.29 | jm_ | mastertet: build-essentials is hardly enough |
| 14:16.31 | mastertet | I already have b-e |
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| 14:16.50 | Lin | hi all.. there is some file in /proc that shows cpu usage in %? |
| 14:17.28 | greycat | Lin: no. man vmstat |
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| 14:18.07 | abrotman | mastertet: /msg dpkg search |
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| 14:18.20 | abrotman | mastertet: those programs are all in debian |
| 14:18.20 | Lin | I know vmstat greycat... ;-D I just want to do some direct read in /proc |
| 14:18.25 | Coke | I have "subscribe blojsom-developers@lists.sourceforge.net" in my muttrc, yet when I "L" in my blojsom-devel maildir it says "No mailing lists found!". What am I missing? |
| 14:18.26 | p88 | Hi, I am configuring my kernel and wondering whether I need MTD(Memory Technology Devices). |
| 14:18.35 | CyzarX | hwo to check what are the available group in my system? |
| 14:18.35 | mastertet | tanks abortman |
| 14:18.43 | abrotman | p88: why? |
| 14:18.50 | greycat | CyzarX: man group |
| 14:19.03 | p88 | Because it says "If unsure, say N" |
| 14:19.12 | Lin | greycat, where I can found help about /proc files as /proc/stat |
| 14:19.17 | toresbe | Is vim-doc fucked *again*? |
| 14:19.22 | p88 | also because I do not know what MTD really is |
| 14:19.34 | asg | toresbe: it's fixed in incoming |
| 14:19.44 | toresbe | asg: what was the matter with it? |
| 14:19.56 | tra1a1a | p88: since you don't know what it is the chances are you don't need it |
| 14:20.00 | asg | toresbe: copyright file conflicted with the vim package |
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| 14:20.03 | tra1a1a | this is why N is suggested |
| 14:20.17 | toresbe | asg: ah |
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| 14:20.44 | p88 | Yes I thought that but maybe something stops working when I disable it as it is in the normal kernel as module (I know everything is in the generic kernel as module but still...) |
| 14:21.17 | Gul | hi, how can i upgrade the packages that are "held back"? |
| 14:21.27 | Shorty` | dpkg: error processing php5 (--purge): |
| 14:21.27 | Shorty` | <PROTECTED> |
| 14:21.29 | xk | Gul: apt-get install <packages held back> |
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| 14:21.32 | Shorty` | is there anyway to just remove the fucking thing? |
| 14:21.36 | Shorty` | as in, destroy it |
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| 14:21.40 | Shorty` | it's trying to clean up or something |
| 14:21.40 | Gul | xk: thank you |
| 14:21.46 | Shorty` | and failing. |
| 14:21.55 | xk | Shorty_: null the prerm script and add "#!/bin/bash" to the top :) |
| 14:22.07 | Shorty` | xk: know where that'd be hiding? :P |
| 14:22.13 | greycat | or rm it. |
| 14:22.14 | xk | <PROTECTED> |
| 14:22.29 | Shorty` | thanks |
| 14:22.37 | Shorty` | it was mis-behaving |
| 14:22.39 | jm_ | another brave soul using some experimental packages and having no clue how to fix stuff when it breaks |
| 14:22.39 | p88 | Are there people here who are experienced with kernel configurations? |
| 14:22.40 | greycat | Gul: it's "kept back", not "held back". |
| 14:22.49 | greycat | Gul: we know this because the factoid is called "kept back" |
| 14:22.50 | greycat | !kept back |
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| 14:22.50 | dpkg | well, kept back is when packages have not been upgraded, even though newer versions are available, because it cannot resolve dependencies for the newer version, or when you told it to hold packages, or when you used "upgrade" instead of "dist-upgrade", or the safest way to resolve this is perhaps to 'apt-get install <kept-package>' and it will resolve stuff for you.. |
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| 14:23.06 | tra1a1a | p88: if anything would break the suggestion would be Y instead of N, so just do as advised |
| 14:23.10 | xk | there's my suggestion at the end ;) |
| 14:23.11 | outlaw | drac can I bug you for some help with my xorg problem? |
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| 14:23.27 | xk | double space in there. |
| 14:23.30 | p88 | tra1a1a: I will do as advised so pressing N |
| 14:23.39 | Feyr | what does everyone here use as their DNS server? |
| 14:23.45 | p88 | tra1a1a: Are you experienced with kernel configs? |
| 14:23.47 | xk | djbdns |
| 14:23.51 | greycat | heh |
| 14:24.10 | Gul | greycat: thank you |
| 14:24.16 | tra1a1a | p88: if the questio is do I know every single kernel switch than no |
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| 14:24.44 | p88 | tra1a1a: Not every single one but some of them I don't know and maybe you do. |
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| 14:25.09 | baikonur | what is "@group syntax" and where can I read about it? |
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| 14:25.40 | wegi | is there a simple console tool for setting ogg tags (title, artist, ...)? |
| 14:25.57 | tra1a1a | p88: the approach that I follow when I'm building a kernel is - if I don't know the option then I don't need it. I may compile it as a module if it's possible or leave it out otherwise |
| 14:26.22 | tra1a1a | After a few builds you will know what is suitable for you |
| 14:26.23 | greycat | wegi: vorbiscomment |
| 14:26.29 | p88 | tra1a1a: Such as SCSI support. I have a USB HDD which in FreeBSD needed SCSI to be activated. Do you know if SCSI is needed for USB HDDs to work under Linux? |
| 14:26.40 | beezly | p88: yes it dos |
| 14:26.42 | xk | p88: yes. |
| 14:26.48 | xk | p88: just scsi disk support. |
| 14:27.03 | wegi | greycat: great, thanks |
| 14:27.22 | tra1a1a | p88: you see - people know here, so just ask a good question and you'll get a good answer |
| 14:27.23 | asg | RichiH: Happy B-Day, you old fart ;) |
| 14:28.21 | baikonur | Do I need to restart some PAM script to let changes to pam.d configuration files work? |
| 14:28.29 | caphuso | baikonur: no |
| 14:29.11 | RichiH | asg: yah, don't remind me ;) |
| 14:29.12 | FieldySnuts | damn badgers |
| 14:29.16 | asg | RichiH: hehe |
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| 14:29.20 | baikonur | should ulimit -u reflect the settings made in /etc/security/limits.conf? |
| 14:29.27 | RichiH | asg: alindeman gave me a flood of about three dozen people.. :p |
| 14:29.36 | nevyn | !badger |
| 14:29.38 | greycat | baikonur: only if you logged in in such a way that limit.conf would have been read. |
| 14:29.43 | caphuso | RichiH: hehe |
| 14:29.49 | asg | RichiH: :) |
| 14:29.55 | xk | richih |
| 14:30.15 | caphuso | i've been careful to not tell people about my birthday |
| 14:30.27 | greycat | baikonur: the misuse of the word "restart" in the first half of your question implies that you have a VERY profound misconception of what PAM does |
| 14:30.38 | abrotman | p88: i actually meant .. "Why are you compiling a kernel?" :) |
| 14:30.54 | outlaw | is anyone here using xorg I know drac is but he does not seem to be available (or is ignoring me:) |
| 14:31.01 | p88 | So legacy /proc/scsi/, SCSI generic or any low-level drivers are not needed for USB HDDs to work? And what about "Probe all LUNs on each SCSI device"? In FreeBSD it did not have that option but I know that my HDD produced the warning that it could not retrieve the max LUN of the HDD. |
| 14:31.07 | abrotman | how does everyone know it's RichiH's birthday? |
| 14:31.15 | abrotman | p88: /msg dpkg usb-storage |
| 14:31.16 | caphuso | abrotman: alindeman walloped it |
| 14:31.20 | xk | p88: as I said. just scsi and scsi disk support. everything else n. |
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| 14:31.27 | abrotman | p88: but the packaged debian kernels have everything you need |
| 14:31.29 | baikonur | greycat: I enabled "session required pam_limits.so" in /etc/pam.d/login and I have "@users hard nproc 100" in limits.conf but ulimit -u shows unlimited instead of 100, where is the fault? |
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| 14:31.31 | p88 | abrotman: Mainly because I want to learn about it but also because I want MIDI to work |
| 14:31.32 | abrotman | caphuso: ah . missed it |
| 14:31.45 | abrotman | p88: uhm .. what's wrong with your midi? |
| 14:31.49 | RichiH | caphuso: yah, well, it should be rather easy to track me on the web anyway.. |
| 14:31.53 | jm_ | baikonur: and how did you login? |
| 14:31.58 | p88 | abrotman: Not entirely. The package does not include C-Media 8738 MIDI support |
| 14:31.58 | RichiH | caphuso: so *shrug* |
| 14:32.03 | baikonur | greycat: I thought pam does the authentication if I login |
| 14:32.06 | tra1a1a | I'm usually compiling myself because of the lirc support |
| 14:32.07 | p88 | xk: Thanks |
| 14:32.22 | abrotman | p88: ok .. if you say so |
| 14:32.26 | baikonur | jm_: at tty1 and then did startx |
| 14:32.30 | abrotman | i didn't realize people still played MIDI |
| 14:33.32 | p88 | I do ;) |
| 14:33.50 | baikonur | jm_: after editing /etc/pam.d/login I logged out and then logged in again without any changing. Am I missing something or did I misunderstand the whole concept? |
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| 14:34.07 | greycat | baikonur: what does "a group name, with @group syntax" mean precisely? |
| 14:34.39 | greycat | limits.conf(5) contains neither the word "group" nor an "@" other than in someone's email address.... |
| 14:34.46 | flip | im running sarge.. an intel i810.. and a gateway vx1120 monitor.. and the xserver-xfree86 pkg's and so fourth... i cant help but notice that my screen is insanely blurry.. very hard to read and it hurts my eyes at times.. and the colors seem... off; what can cause this? |
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| 14:34.54 | flip | i believe i have the correct Sync values.. and DRI is turned off |
| 14:35.22 | flip | im running xp through a KVM on the exact twin of this pc... on the same monitor.. and it simply looks MUCH better :( |
| 14:35.32 | caphuso | greycat: it's in the comments at the top of /etc/security/limits.conf |
| 14:35.33 | flip | i know thats not because xp is better ;) i just need to figure out what i broke in deb |
| 14:35.42 | greycat | caphuso: I quoted the comment. But what does it *mean*? |
| 14:35.48 | Cyanophytes | how do I find out what ip address my debian system is on the network? |
| 14:35.48 | jm_ | baikonur: this PAM module has debug option, try using it |
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| 14:36.00 | flip | Cyanophytes, ifconfig eth0 |
| 14:36.08 | caphuso | greycat: it means that if you write "@staff", the limit applies to everyone in the staff group |
| 14:36.09 | baikonur | greycat: yes, but /etc/security/limits.conf says <domain> can be: - a group name, with @group syntax, so my domain name is wrong? what would be the correct domain to match all users then? |
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| 14:37.09 | greycat | caphuso: does it mean "users whose primary group is _group_", or does it mean "users whose primary *or* secondary group memberships (up to NGROUPS_MAX) includes _group_"? |
| 14:37.21 | p88 | With FireWire support there are also many options such as "OHCI-1394 support" but the only thing I ever want to use from FireWire is FireWire Harddisks. Are there any options necessary for FireWire HDDs to work? I was thinking of "Raw IEEE1394 I/O support" or "..extra config rom entries.." |
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| 14:37.37 | greycat | baikonur: WE DO NOT KNOW WHAT THAT LINE MEANS. That's what I'm trying to figure out! |
| 14:37.46 | greycat | GOD, I hate GNU/Linux's "documentation" |
| 14:37.59 | p88 | Of course SBP-2 support is necessary |
| 14:38.00 | jm_ | baikonur: you can use * for all |
| 14:38.11 | baikonur | greycat: calm down, I didn't read the conversation between caphuso and you until now, sorry, no need to shout |
| 14:38.28 | xk | no one tells greycat to calm down ;) |
| 14:38.29 | greycat | baikonur: are you trying to say that you thought "@users" meant *all users*? |
| 14:38.39 | greycat | # - a group name, with @group syntax |
| 14:38.39 | greycat | # - the wildcard *, for default entry |
| 14:38.43 | FieldySnuts | @lart baikonur |
| 14:38.57 | nevyn | p88: you almost certainly want OHCI-1394 |
| 14:39.05 | caphuso | greycat: even the pam guide fails to explain that :-( |
| 14:39.15 | greycat | where the hell did he come up with *that*? it's not even in the example lines at the bottom. |
| 14:39.23 | p88 | nevyn: Okay I will then enable it |
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| 14:39.25 | nevyn | p88: given that that is the most common host controller. |
| 14:39.37 | p88 | I believe it is also mine |
| 14:39.41 | nevyn | p88: why are you building a kernel? |
| 14:39.58 | baikonur | well there many examples with @users on the web |
| 14:40.24 | nevyn | p88: if you're not completely comefortable about what hardware you have I'd strongly reccommend you just use a binary kernel installed with apt. |
| 14:40.31 | greycat | ah! "if it's on the internet it MUST be true!" |
| 14:40.48 | flip | lol |
| 14:40.48 | FieldySnuts | heh |
| 14:40.49 | p88 | nevyn: I said that before... because I want to learn it and because I want my sound card to work properly and (I didn't say this before) because I am a minimalist who wants everything as small and clean as possible |
| 14:40.53 | baikonur | no, but I tried it |
| 14:41.00 | greycat | baikonur: and it failed, yes/ |
| 14:41.05 | greycat | s,/,?, |
| 14:42.08 | nevyn | p88: I've built a few kernels (I've got to build one for my desktop sometime soon I've been avoiding it) but it's not something I do for fun anymore ;) |
| 14:42.12 | caphuso | the pam_limits.c seems to check for both primary and secondary groups |
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| 14:42.58 | nevyn | I need RTAI support which is quite.. non-standard and requires extensive patching of the kernel but that is the only reason I'm building my own kernel |
| 14:43.01 | p88 | nevyn: I configure everything for fun and learning. I also built a super well functioning exactly for my computer tuned kernel on FreeBSD |
| 14:43.12 | p88 | I like doing that |
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| 14:44.04 | baikonur | greycat: yes, and therefore I asked about group syntax and the correct <domain>. Furthermore @users is a very common entry if you search the web, so I tried it. Why are you so annoyed? |
| 14:44.12 | p88 | nevyn: But I found out that the Linux kernel has way more options than the FreeBSD one and I don't know half of them such as the MTD which I entirely disabled and the ATM for which I don't have an adapter. |
| 14:44.18 | nevyn | p88: I require a little more functionality of my desktop than freebsd provides. |
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| 14:45.19 | p88 | nevyn: FreeBSD provides enough for me to be comfortable with but I want to learn as much about computers as possible so I chose to install Debian. |
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| 14:45.37 | nevyn | when I plug in my camera.. I want it to just appear in /media/camera without me doing anything for example |
| 14:45.47 | daffy-pkf | lo |
| 14:46.09 | nevyn | or run a script to copy all the images to a directory with the current date. |
| 14:46.20 | p88 | Yes indeed but I wrote a script for FreeBSD which has the same functionality as the camera issue you described |
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| 14:46.37 | p88 | ehm.. I mean the first one with the camera ;) |
| 14:46.54 | p88 | It runs in the background checking the devfs for new entries |
| 14:47.01 | nevyn | did you have to run this script by hand. |
| 14:47.14 | nevyn | polling is completely unsatisfactory |
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| 14:47.18 | p88 | It starts on system boot and runs in the background |
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| 14:47.26 | nevyn | I have better things to do with my cycles |
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| 14:47.50 | p88 | It is the best you can do on FreeBSD if you want that functionality |
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| 14:48.19 | nevyn | p88: see linux has infastructure to run a script when a given device is pluged in. |
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| 14:48.23 | p88 | nevyn: Do you know what I2O is for? If I understand this correctly it is an interface for thermal zone and such |
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| 14:48.50 | nevyn | I20 is used for hardware sensors ...or is it I2C... |
| 14:48.50 | p88 | nevyn: That is nice indeed. Linux has infrastructures for many things but as I said I am a minimalist ;) |
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| 14:48.53 | llahm | Is there an open-source code linter available? I searched on packages.d.o to no avail. |
| 14:48.57 | xk | nevyn: I2C |
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| 14:49.17 | p88 | xk: Do you know what I2O is good for? I also mixed them up |
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| 14:49.24 | nevyn | p88: I20 is the wierd high end IO stuff? |
| 14:49.32 | xk | p88: hrm... yeah, high end io stuff |
| 14:49.50 | p88 | Intelligent Input/Output architecture |
| 14:49.53 | nevyn | with like a os dependant bit and a os indepentant bit of driver. |
| 14:49.53 | xk | {Intelligent Input/Output} |
| 14:49.59 | p88 | I don't think I have anything intelligent in my box |
| 14:50.00 | nevyn | odd. |
| 14:50.03 | kiowas | how do I disable xdm? |
| 14:50.09 | mick_laptop | is it possible to run a chroot sshd and a non-chroot sshd on one box? (one chroot user will connect via the chrootsshd, while everything else should stay in takt) |
| 14:50.18 | xk | !tell kiowas -about nodm |
| 14:50.19 | robewald | hi, when I print a certain pdf, I get screwed fonts, other pdfs are ok. It looks good on screen, what could be the cause for that? |
| 14:50.41 | nevyn | robewald: ghostscript sucking? |
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| 14:51.18 | robewald | nevyn: don't know, probably... |
| 14:51.32 | nevyn | robewald: what are you viewing it with onscreen? |
| 14:51.51 | robewald | xpdf |
| 14:52.02 | p88 | xk: I also wanted to disable gdm but the dpkg suggests that I deinstall it entirely. Can I also just "update-rc.d -f xdm remove"? |
| 14:52.17 | xk | p88: yes |
| 14:52.21 | p88 | xk: and about I2O... I don't need it if I don't know what it is right? |
| 14:52.24 | p88 | okay :) |
| 14:52.26 | xk | p88: correct. |
| 14:52.30 | p88 | Good :D |
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| 14:52.41 | robewald | nevyn: just tried kghostscript, and it looks ok in that too |
| 14:53.02 | greycat | Is there any point in my even bothering to ask, any more, WHY these fools think they want to leave a package that they don't use installed but crippled? |
| 14:53.20 | nevyn | p88: that's not always the case. |
| 14:53.20 | nevyn | eg. i2c |
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| 14:53.34 | ricky_clarkson | !irc surgery is http://drbacchus.com/wordpress/?p=915 |
| 14:53.35 | dpkg | ricky_clarkson: okay |
| 14:53.40 | ricky_clarkson | greycat: Read that. |
| 14:54.02 | nevyn | greycat: metapackages. |
| 14:54.04 | p88 | nevyn: That is true. |
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| 14:54.11 | robewald | nevyn: ok, thats it printing from kghostscript works well, while printing from xpdf or kpdf doesn't, strange |
| 14:54.19 | nevyn | not really. |
| 14:54.36 | robewald | nevyn: why? |
| 14:55.08 | nevyn | kghostscript probably calls ghostscript with the original PDF... kpdf probably renders it and sends ghostscript a postscript raster of the pdf via the standard kde printing infastructure. |
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| 14:55.47 | nevyn | robewald: linux printing sucks.. even with cups.. the whole postscript thing sucks. |
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| 14:56.20 | nevyn | I mean I love postscript.. a turing complete graphics language is just way cool.. but we have enough ram now.. |
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| 14:57.04 | FieldySnuts | @troll nevyn |
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| 14:57.26 | p88 | Does anyone happen to know what kernel options I need for keyboard and mouse to work? I have compiled a kernel before which somehow had mouse and keyboard both disabled with me having nothing left to input anymore. I rebooted through vnc. |
| 14:57.31 | nevyn | I do think that's a little harsh. |
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| 14:57.49 | nevyn | p88: you need the mouse stuff in input. |
| 14:57.53 | CyzarX | i always come across MPM in apache articles, what is that stand for? |
| 14:57.59 | holo | p88, lol :D |
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| 14:58.13 | FieldySnuts | might want to ask #apache, i also forget |
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| 14:58.21 | empika | halllooooo |
| 14:58.23 | p88 | holo: Do not say "lol" as one also needs some things from "Character devices" for mice to work |
| 14:58.34 | holo | p88, if you don't run linux at go to bios setup you will have keyboard :x |
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| 14:58.44 | robewald | FieldySnuts: I don't think he is trolling though, as I just could see |
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| 14:59.02 | invictus | what is "the debian way" of compiling kernels? |
| 14:59.08 | greycat | invictus: /msg dpkg kp |
| 14:59.09 | xk | make-kpkg |
| 14:59.19 | nevyn | robewald: he was refering to my whole.. disparaging remarks about postscript I think |
| 14:59.28 | invictus | thanks |
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| 15:00.45 | robewald | nevyn: I mean the other technology is GDI and everyone says GDI sucks as well... |
| 15:00.48 | holo | p88, diff your altered config file with the original one, and then grep KEYBOARD and MOUSE , or MICE |
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| 15:00.55 | nevyn | robewald: it does. |
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| 15:01.15 | robewald | nevyn: anything out there that sucks less (TM) |
| 15:01.20 | p88 | invictus: dpkg says one needs build-essential but that is not entirely true as I compiled and installed a kernel without it installed... (?) |
| 15:01.21 | nevyn | robewald: Xprint isn't the answer either (listening firefox?) |
| 15:01.26 | p88 | holo: good idea :) |
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| 15:01.57 | nevyn | robewald: the problem is. |
| 15:02.08 | nevyn | the DPI of the output devices differ.. |
| 15:02.16 | baikonur | invictus: http://newbiedoc.sourceforge.net/system/kernel-pkg.html |
| 15:02.38 | ar3dam | hi there... where can find news about the kde3.4 and gnome, is are packaged yet??? |
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| 15:02.53 | dvs | ar3dam: /topic |
| 15:02.53 | Lin | ar3dam, see topic |
| 15:02.56 | nevyn | robewald: your 100 dpi screen does not have a 1:1 relationship of pixels with your 1200 dpi printer. |
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| 15:03.18 | robewald | nevyn: yes, thats right, but it woun't be solved anytime soon |
| 15:03.39 | robewald | nevyn: as much as i'd love 1200 DPI screens ;-) |
| 15:03.57 | nevyn | robewald: the w3c isn't helping either by saying that web "designers" may specify fonts in pixels...... |
| 15:04.06 | nevyn | they do say it should be normalised for 100dpi tho. |
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| 15:04.49 | nevyn | however nobody does this :( |
| 15:05.18 | nevyn | so you can't run a resolution greater than 1024x768 without making large chunks of the internet unreadable |
| 15:05.52 | robewald | nevyn: I think the whole problem is not very well understood by many people |
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| 15:06.05 | p88 | A hardware Random Number Generator == Cryptography Accellerator. Correct? |
| 15:06.13 | directhex|work | !topicsmite ar3dam |
| 15:06.14 | nevyn | p88: maybe |
| 15:06.16 | dpkg | And the wrath of /TOPIC descended with terrible fury upon ar3dam. And all the people marveled, saying, Behold, we too should read the /TOPIC, lest we be stricken. And all the people read the /TOPIC, and went away edified. |
| 15:06.32 | pipeline | p88: A hardware random number generator may provide better random numbers than /dev/urandom |
| 15:06.43 | nevyn | p88: some motherboards/cpu's have these onboard (eg VIA eden) |
| 15:06.55 | nevyn | nemiah C3 some pIV's |
| 15:07.01 | greycat | not all of the Edens have it; just the top-end. |
| 15:07.05 | p88 | I see. I don't have it unfortunately so I won't compile it |
| 15:07.06 | nevyn | right. |
| 15:07.12 | greycat | e.g. the fanless 600 MHz VIA Eden that I have, does not. |
| 15:07.32 | nevyn | greycat: :( no fast ssh key-gen for you. |
| 15:07.50 | p88 | nevyn: Do you know what HPET is? |
| 15:08.07 | p88 | Except for High Precision Event Timer... |
| 15:08.13 | greycat | nevyn: no big deal. I didn't buy it to be *fast*. |
| 15:08.15 | nevyn | hrm.. is that RTC? |
| 15:08.22 | nevyn | greycat: just quiet? |
| 15:08.27 | greycat | nevyn: and low-power. |
| 15:08.35 | quiet | huh? |
| 15:08.38 | quiet | oh.. nevermind |
| 15:08.39 | nevyn | I'd kinda like one for a tv box. |
| 15:08.43 | FieldySnuts | heh |
| 15:08.45 | p88 | quiet: ;) |
| 15:08.45 | nevyn | quiet: sorry. |
| 15:08.48 | quiet | np |
| 15:09.38 | nevyn | p88: if it's /dev/rtc you want it for audio/video playback sync possibly |
| 15:09.41 | p88 | nevyn: There is an option called HPET Control RTC IRC |
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| 15:10.11 | p88 | If I might need it for audio/video I will keep it as I do want that. |
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| 15:11.09 | nevyn | p88: mplayer uses the extra timers on the rtc on the pc for syncing audio/video during playbe |
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| 15:11.44 | p88 | nevyn: Allright. And what is ISA Bus support needed for? I don't have any ISA in my computer AFAIK |
| 15:11.57 | nevyn | umm the ps/2 interface is probably on isa. |
| 15:11.59 | tra1a1a | so you don't need it |
| 15:12.08 | tra1a1a | no it's not |
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| 15:12.09 | jclinton | ps/2 is not ISA |
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| 15:12.17 | p88 | PS/2 is PCI isn't it? |
| 15:12.21 | nevyn | the i2c stuff may be on isa. |
| 15:12.38 | shingouz | PS/2 is isa |
| 15:12.59 | p88 | If it is ISA then I know why my mouse/keyboard didn't work on my last build. I disabled it. |
| 15:13.02 | xk | PS/2? is the name from ibm? |
| 15:13.06 | nevyn | yes. |
| 15:13.25 | tra1a1a | isa is not needed for ps/2 |
| 15:13.46 | nevyn | tra1a1a: that's possibly true. |
| 15:13.47 | tra1a1a | I've also used kernels with isa disabled and ps/2 worked just fine |
| 15:13.58 | nevyn | i2c on isa may not however. |
| 15:14.13 | p88 | Oh oh... how do I find out which Hardware Sensor Chip I have? |
| 15:14.25 | tra1a1a | dunno about i2c - never used it so far |
| 15:14.26 | xk | p88: sensors-detect |
| 15:14.28 | holo | p88, don't make random disables unless you are sure :s |
| 15:14.31 | gio | c'è qualche italiana? |
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| 15:14.33 | nevyn | which means you might get poorer resolution from your hardware sensors than if you used ISA |
| 15:14.36 | p88 | tra1a1a: Maybe I have ISA PS/2 |
| 15:14.50 | nevyn | p88: run sensor-detect and hope it doesn't crash your box. |
| 15:15.16 | nevyn | it depends what the kernel configuration system MEANS by isa exactly and often this isn't clear |
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| 15:15.18 | p88 | nevyn: I don't have it |
| 15:15.26 | nevyn | p88: apt-get install sensors |
| 15:15.30 | p88 | ah sensors |
| 15:15.33 | p88 | Okay |
| 15:15.47 | xk | nevyn: have you seen it crash a box? :) |
| 15:15.51 | p88 | hm sensors isn't there... Let's ask aptitude |
| 15:15.58 | nevyn | xk: no. |
| 15:16.19 | dvs | lmsensors |
| 15:16.20 | p88 | aptitude also gives no result for sensors except for libsensors3 |
| 15:16.20 | nevyn | p88: lm-sensors |
| 15:16.37 | p88 | Okay ;) |
| 15:16.52 | xk | MB Temp: +36 C CPU Temp: +44.0 C |
| 15:16.57 | p88 | :( lm-sensors is not there neither |
| 15:17.03 | tra1a1a | p88: disable isa and compile - you'll notice if you need it :) |
| 15:17.13 | p88 | tra1a1a: Indeed I will |
| 15:17.29 | xk | !tell p88 -about info lm-sensors |
| 15:17.30 | p88 | Ah it is there I found it |
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| 15:18.02 | Kazeuri | How can I success change my system time? It is wrongs. |
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| 15:18.20 | WiFiTux | OK, where do I go to add a package into debian Sid? |
| 15:18.21 | p88 | Where is mkdev.sh located? |
| 15:18.22 | greycat | !set the time |
| 15:18.22 | dpkg | To set the time in debian, use date --set. The truly enlightened user, however, will install ntpdate and ntp-simple to have their clock set automatically on reboot, and slewed to match time servers exactly, respectively. You may also need to run tzconfig and make sure you have the right UTC setting in /etc/default/rcS first. |
| 15:18.30 | nevyn | Kazeuri: do you boot any other OSs ? |
| 15:18.42 | Kazeuri | No, it's a server. Why would I do that? |
| 15:18.43 | xk | !netdate |
| 15:18.44 | dpkg | netdate is, like, to set the date and time, synchronised by a remote box. It's in the 'netstd' package for Debian. You may want to try rdate aswell |
| 15:18.48 | WiFiTux | OPs, RafaeL is anouncing PR0n! |
| 15:18.51 | nevyn | Kazeuri: then do the ntp thing. |
| 15:19.08 | p88 | Is there someone with an up-to-date locatedb? |
| 15:19.14 | Kazeuri | I'll try netstd |
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| 15:19.20 | *** kick/#debian [RafaeL!foobar@l3-202-89-189-27.arach.net.au] by xk (korean spammer?) |
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| 15:19.24 | p88 | Someone who wants to look for mkdev.sh? |
| 15:19.42 | WiFiTux | xk: you took too long :) |
| 15:19.45 | abrotman | xk: i think WiFiTux looks suspicious too :) |
| 15:19.50 | nevyn | p88: why do you need it? |
| 15:19.56 | tra1a1a | p88: with updatedb you'll have an up-to-date base |
| 15:19.59 | xk | WiFiTux: bah, I had to identify to nickserv :) plus I wanted to check with /version. |
| 15:20.03 | p88 | nevyn: because there is no i2c device |
| 15:20.09 | xk | abrotman: lol |
| 15:20.10 | WiFiTux | xk: heh |
| 15:20.15 | p88 | output of sensors-detect: |
| 15:20.25 | xk | no version reply... that gets a ban. ;) |
| 15:20.27 | nevyn | p88: what kernel are you currently running? |
| 15:20.32 | p88 | 2.6.8 |
| 15:20.33 | WiFiTux | abrotman: where do I go to add a package into Sid |
| 15:20.36 | WiFiTux | :) |
| 15:20.37 | xk | or from a suspicious IP (korea, heh) |
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| 15:20.45 | p88 | No i2c device files found. |
| 15:20.48 | abrotman | WiFiTux: debian.org/devel/nm .. i think |
| 15:21.00 | p88 | Use prog/mkdev/mkdev.sh to create them. |
| 15:21.00 | abrotman | nope .. i was close |
| 15:21.07 | WiFiTux | abrotman: 404 |
| 15:21.07 | nevyn | p88: did you build it? |
| 15:21.10 | abrotman | !tell WiFiTux about nm |
| 15:21.24 | p88 | yes :-/ |
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| 15:21.27 | p88 | hm |
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| 15:21.36 | p88 | in fact... no I didn't |
| 15:21.43 | p88 | this is the normal packaged one |
| 15:21.44 | nevyn | do you have sysfs mounted? |
| 15:21.54 | p88 | nevyn: yes on /sys |
| 15:22.03 | abrotman | WiFiTux: does that help? |
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| 15:22.43 | nevyn | p88: what motherboard do you have? |
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| 15:22.52 | p88 | nevyn: And I have already tried modprobe i2c_sensor |
| 15:22.58 | p88 | nevyn: It is a shuttle FS50 |
| 15:23.27 | p88 | nevyn: It now works but does not find any sensors |
| 15:23.40 | nevyn | maybe they're just not supported. |
| 15:23.40 | p88 | nevyn: But I do have sensors as FreeBSD detects them |
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| 15:23.49 | WiFiTux | abrotman: wtf? I need an advocate? |
| 15:24.03 | Kazeuri | Why is US-Eastern not the right time zone for me? |
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| 15:24.18 | Kazeuri | When I use tzconfig and tlel it to use US-Eastern, it tells me it's like 6AM |
| 15:24.24 | Kazeuri | When really it's 10:30AM |
| 15:24.25 | p88 | nevyn: They are supported I know because I once compiled a 2.4 kernel with ACPI and everything and it showed me my CPU-Temperature. |
| 15:24.39 | WiFiTux | abrotman: I just want to mantain a file in Sid, not become a hax0r! |
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| 15:25.17 | nevyn | p88: acpi sensor is not the same as i2c sensors |
| 15:25.26 | greycat | Kazeuri: set the time zone, then set the time. |
| 15:25.42 | WiFiTux | someone? |
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| 15:25.43 | p88 | nevyn: i.e. I can throw i2c into the garbage can and use ACPI? |
| 15:25.44 | nevyn | acpi thermal support is part of ACPI |
| 15:25.47 | Kazeuri | How set the time? |
| 15:25.57 | tra1a1a | Kazeuri: man date |
| 15:25.58 | nevyn | p88: depends.. not if you want to know if the fan is spinning ;) |
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| 15:26.03 | dvs | mandate? |
| 15:26.03 | Kazeuri | ok |
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| 15:26.10 | nevyn | p88: that's what sensors provides. |
| 15:26.10 | Kazeuri | I don't want to date a man though |
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| 15:26.18 | greycat | Kazeuri: please stop being a fucktard. I'm losing patience with the whole lot of you. |
| 15:26.23 | p88 | nevyn: That I had in ACPI on 2.4 though |
| 15:26.24 | tra1a1a | neither do I :) |
| 15:26.27 | xk | lol |
| 15:26.35 | nevyn | p88: no. |
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| 15:26.42 | greycat | Kazeuri: hit PageUp several times and fucking READ. |
| 15:26.46 | nevyn | p88: ACPI will tell you how hot the cpu is. |
| 15:26.52 | jetscreamer | lies |
| 15:27.00 | p88 | I see so I do need i2c for my fan sensor |
| 15:27.10 | nevyn | p88: sensors will tell you how fast the cpu fan is spinning how hot the motherboard is etc. |
| 15:27.15 | xk | p88: yes. yes.... yes.... and yes. |
| 15:27.20 | jetscreamer | no |
| 15:27.36 | tra1a1a | p88: did you notice by chance that there is a help for every option? |
| 15:27.54 | p88 | tra1a1a: I did and I read them all. Every single one |
| 15:28.10 | xk | p88: you sound like a woman ;) they like to read everything asewll. |
| 15:28.20 | tra1a1a | hhehe :) |
| 15:28.24 | p88 | tra1a1a: My problem is just that I don't know whic sensor driver to use |
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| 15:28.44 | tra1a1a | you should try the google for your motherboard |
| 15:28.44 | jetscreamer | what chipset |
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| 15:28.53 | p88 | xk: I read everything if I don't understand anything. If I understand this much: >< I don't read but try |
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| 15:29.13 | tra1a1a | and finally just compile it - after a few times you'll figure out what you really need |
| 15:29.14 | directhex|work | sensors_detect |
| 15:29.17 | p88 | xk: The trouble with kernels also is that they take long to try single options |
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| 15:30.01 | tra1a1a | p88: there is user space linux |
| 15:30.16 | p88 | tra1a1a: What is user space linux? |
| 15:30.18 | directhex|work | so use a debian kernel? debian 2.6 kernels have the i2c modules supplied, and module-assistant can do the dirty on 2.4 |
| 15:30.20 | tra1a1a | and since you want to learn you could hardly find anything better |
| 15:30.24 | kbrooks | tra1a1a, what is user space linux? |
| 15:30.32 | kbrooks | p88, heh. |
| 15:30.49 | WiFiTux | Is there a developer here that likes Debian? |
| 15:30.53 | WiFiTux | g! |
| 15:30.59 | WiFiTux | Is there a developer here that likes Wireless? |
| 15:31.01 | tra1a1a | it is running linux in the user space - so you don't reboot every time you want to try something about the kernel |
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| 15:31.15 | p88 | tra1a1a: You are aiming at modules? |
| 15:31.17 | doublehp | how to close a bug I opened last week which is resolved ? |
| 15:31.24 | kbrooks | tra1a1a, ok, and where can i get it! |
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| 15:32.03 | jetscreamer | hp devs use debian as their dev platform, doesthat naswer your question? |
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| 15:32.04 | tra1a1a | p88, kbrooks: /usr/src/linux/Documentation |
| 15:32.24 | p88 | tra1a1a: there is no /usr/src/linux |
| 15:32.32 | karamelos | anyone using the gift-ares plugin? |
| 15:32.36 | p88 | There is a kernel-source-2.6.8/ |
| 15:32.40 | WiFiTux | jetscreamer: well, I need a sponsor to upload the package. cause "i'm not a developer" |
| 15:32.40 | tra1a1a | p88: /the/path/to/your/kernel/sources |
| 15:32.50 | jetscreamer | of course there isn't , /usr/src/linux is deprecated, ask torvald |
| 15:32.51 | tra1a1a | p88: use it |
| 15:32.52 | p88 | tra1a1a: Okay then it is there |
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| 15:33.05 | jetscreamer | WiFiTux, no idea |
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| 15:33.34 | kbrooks | lrwxrwxrwx 1 root root 80 2005-03-20 15:53 source -> /home/dilinger/src/kernel/kernel-image/kernel-image-2.6.8-i386-2.6.8/install-386 |
| 15:33.56 | jetscreamer | now that's goofy |
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| 15:34.37 | tra1a1a | guys, do not forget google - always your best friend |
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| 15:35.44 | jahi | Hi, how was the command to write notes into a file with 'cat' until Ctrl-C is pressed?something like: 'cat -?? >> notes' |
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| 15:36.07 | xk | jahi: cat >> notes |
| 15:36.12 | xk | then ^D at the end of it. |
| 15:36.15 | xk | or ^C |
| 15:36.19 | tra1a1a | jahi: cat <<EOF > file |
| 15:36.23 | tra1a1a | something |
| 15:36.25 | tra1a1a | EOF |
| 15:36.38 | pzn | Hi! in thunderbird, it shows by default "from, subject, date, to", do you know how to add another field that I want to be showed by default? |
| 15:36.46 | greycat | you want to end with Ctrl-D, if you're doing this interactively, *not* Ctrl-C. |
| 15:37.04 | xk | ;) |
| 15:37.11 | abrotman | WiFiTux: don't talk to me about iut |
| 15:37.19 | dippo | hm. directory just showed up in a user's home directory -- 10 non-printable characters |
| 15:37.19 | SlayerXP | pzn: this is #debian not #howtodostuffinthunderbird |
| 15:37.22 | dippo | that's never a good sign |
| 15:37.45 | pzn | SlayerXP, I am using debian packed thunderbird. can you suggest me a irc channel? |
| 15:38.13 | SlayerXP | pzn: #thunderbird |
| 15:38.22 | WiFiTux | abrotman: ? You are no DD, are you? |
| 15:38.24 | jetscreamer | pzn, did you try right clicking on the account in the left panel? |
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| 15:38.39 | jetscreamer | pzn, did you try hard?> |
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| 15:39.03 | helix_ | can anyone help me out with a debian problem |
| 15:39.09 | jetscreamer | lol |
| 15:39.13 | xk | 1;2c1;2c1;2c1;2c |
| 15:39.14 | xk | fuck that |
| 15:39.20 | p88 | what was that? |
| 15:39.30 | anhi | helix_: dont ask to ask.... |
| 15:39.31 | kbrooks | lol |
| 15:39.33 | mwilson | helix_: Everyone has to guess what the problem is, of course. |
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| 15:39.36 | jahi | hm thx, but this doesnt seem to work |
| 15:39.37 | helix_ | Unpacking libgtksourceview-cil (from .../libgtksourceview-cil_0.5-2_all.deb) ... |
| 15:39.38 | helix_ | dpkg: error processing /var/cache/apt/archives/libgtksourceview-cil_0.5-2_all.deb (--unpack): |
| 15:39.38 | helix_ | <PROTECTED> |
| 15:39.38 | helix_ | Errors were encountered while processing: |
| 15:39.38 | helix_ | <PROTECTED> |
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| 15:39.41 | kbrooks | :| |
| 15:39.42 | anhi | n c |
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| 15:39.51 | helix_ | fuck! |
| 15:39.55 | mwilson | helix_: Welcome to unstable. |
| 15:39.56 | abrotman | ? |
| 15:39.57 | anhi | helix_: use some pastebin |
| 15:39.57 | flip | anyone use sarge with an intel i810? |
| 15:40.03 | jetscreamer | dpkg -i --force-overwrite /var/cache/apt/archives/libgtksourceview-cil_0.5-2_all.deb |
| 15:40.13 | tra1a1a | helix_: it's always helpfull to read the channel rules first |
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| 15:40.19 | helix_ | okay |
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| 15:40.26 | mwilson | jetscreamer: Don't tell cluebies to use force. |
| 15:40.29 | kbrooks | jetscreamer, really. there SHOULD be a debian faq for sid |
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| 15:40.34 | SlayerXP | helix_: you are using unstable, when things break you get to keep all the pieces. |
| 15:40.37 | greycat | !sid faq |
| 15:40.37 | dpkg | it has been said that sid faq is http://wooledge.org/~greg/sidfaq.html |
| 15:40.45 | pzn | jetscreamer, yes, I already tried. no success... |
| 15:40.50 | kbrooks | greycat, ;) |
| 15:40.55 | SlayerXP | helix_: also we get to point at you and laugh |
| 15:40.57 | kbrooks | i am using sid |
| 15:41.07 | kbrooks | and it is stable for me so far |
| 15:41.14 | greycat | !flw |
| 15:41.14 | dpkg | rumour has it, flw9 is <snadge> i want to create a version of debian that violates as many patents as possible, and is crammed full of non free software and warez.. call it debian warez edition. what do you think? :P |
| 15:41.15 | jetscreamer | pzn i found out how to do it in mozilla-mail, but i don't remember how... so it's in there somewhere |
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| 15:41.21 | mwilson | It's bad enough that people tell cluebies to use unstable... |
| 15:41.25 | helix_ | jetscreamer: thanks a lot |
| 15:41.45 | jetscreamer | i have yet to recommend sid though |
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| 15:42.04 | insanekane | mwilson: whats a cluebie ? |
| 15:42.11 | vchrizz | hum, how do i add another ipv6 to my interface? http://www.rafb.net/paste/results/tW7Yqj97.html |
| 15:42.15 | jetscreamer | n00bies w/o a clue |
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| 15:42.26 | insanekane | jetscreamer: hehe :) |
| 15:42.35 | kbrooks | helix_, pm me |
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| 15:42.48 | helix_ | kbrooks: for what |
| 15:42.49 | jetscreamer | !sex |
| 15:42.49 | dpkg | updatedb; locate; talk; date; cd; strip; look; touch; finger; unzip; uptime; gawk; head; apt-get install condom; mount; fsck; gasp; more; yes; yes; yes; more; umount; apt-get remove --purge condom; make clean; sleep |
| 15:43.01 | jetscreamer | boo |
| 15:43.03 | anhi | sid works perfectly for me |
| 15:43.08 | jetscreamer | i hate those |
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| 15:43.45 | jahi | xk: ah i got it, thx |
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| 15:44.02 | p88 | In the kernel configuration there is a "VGA 16-color graphics support" and a "VESA VGA graphics support" do I need the first one if I have the second one? I do have a VESA BIOS. |
| 15:44.03 | cire | I've installed apache with the perl extension. Everything works fine, but executing .cgi files returns "don't have permission to execute file". I had to alter apache2.conf file for executing cgi scripts outside cgi-bin. (Addhandler cgi-script .cgi) |
| 15:44.08 | WiFiTux | abrotman: ? |
| 15:44.15 | abrotman | WiFiTux: about NM |
| 15:44.24 | jetscreamer | only for framebuffer p88 (i believe) |
| 15:44.25 | helmi | Hi, about exim4,spaassassin and amavis: does anybody know the HOWTO at http://amaris.aenaeis.org ? I followed the instructions step by step, but it doesn't work. |
| 15:44.27 | greycat | if you have an apache2.conf file you did not install apache. you installed apache2. |
| 15:44.37 | FieldySnuts | cire: you also will need a ScriptAlias , probably. ask #apache to be sure |
| 15:44.40 | WiFiTux | abrotman: are you a dev? |
| 15:44.44 | p88 | jetscreamer: What is framebuffer for? |
| 15:44.52 | FieldySnuts | p88: making terminals annoying and slow |
| 15:44.52 | abrotman | WiFiTux: nope .. should i be? |
| 15:44.54 | tra1a1a | p88: only you can tell if you want 16 color vga mode |
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| 15:44.59 | jetscreamer | different looking console fonts |
| 15:45.03 | jetscreamer | diff sizes |
| 15:45.21 | Krisso | guys i got a serious problem |
| 15:45.22 | tra1a1a | framebuffer is graphics mode for consoles |
| 15:45.23 | jetscreamer | p88 go to tldp.org on that one |
| 15:45.36 | cire | okay, I'll ask there |
| 15:45.37 | p88 | I see but does the VESA option include color? |
| 15:45.40 | WiFiTux | abrotman: move it! |
| 15:45.43 | p88 | jetscreamer: I will look at it |
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| 15:45.55 | jetscreamer | !help Krisso |
| 15:46.09 | nevyn | p88: the standard terminal supports color |
| 15:46.14 | tra1a1a | p88: it certainly does - even more than 16 |
| 15:46.17 | helmi | Where can I get help on exim4 + spamassassin + amavis? |
| 15:46.26 | greycat | helmi: probably #exim |
| 15:46.29 | jetscreamer | !ask krisso |
| 15:46.34 | Krisso | i cant surf anymore.. all programs i use, that do stuff dependant on internet, cant resolve the names to the corresponding ips anymore. when i connect to ips directly it works.. like (bla.bla.bla.bla) for google in mozilla.. google.com wont work! |
| 15:46.34 | p88 | tra1a1a: Does it also support it without the VGA 16-color option activated? |
| 15:46.35 | Krisso | help! |
| 15:46.39 | FieldySnuts | @lart Krisso |
| 15:46.42 | tra1a1a | yes |
| 15:46.44 | nevyn | p88: yes. |
| 15:46.44 | helmi | greycat:exim.org? |
| 15:46.46 | xk | Krisso: /etc/resolv.conf sounds toast. |
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| 15:46.54 | FieldySnuts | ravenbird: test |
| 15:47.00 | Krisso | xk how to fix it? |
| 15:47.00 | p88 | So I can omit the VGA option |
| 15:47.03 | greycat | helmi: well, #exim will probably make you RTFM If you haven't yet, yes. |
| 15:47.18 | jetscreamer | p88 got nvidia? |
| 15:47.19 | xk | Krisso: "echo nameserver 195.29.150.4 > /etc/resolv.conf" |
| 15:47.22 | greycat | helmi: I'm not sure why you asked me a domain name, though. |
| 15:47.26 | nevyn | FieldySnuts: except on laptops where it allows you to have a console that isn't a tiny little box in the middle of the screen or fuzzy. |
| 15:47.31 | p88 | jetscreamer: I got SiS which is supported |
| 15:47.34 | helmi | greycat:sorry, I'm new. what is "#exim" ? |
| 15:47.38 | FieldySnuts | echo "nameserver 195.29.150.4" > /etc/resolv.conf |
| 15:47.44 | greycat | helmi: a channel name, like #debian. |
| 15:47.44 | asg | helmi: the irc channel for exim support |
| 15:47.48 | FieldySnuts | nevyn: wouldn't know, hate laptops |
| 15:47.54 | jetscreamer | p88 sis onboard looks good w/framebuffer |
| 15:48.00 | helmi | Ok, how can I go there? |
| 15:48.05 | nevyn | 640x480 vga text mode.. hardware scaled and filtered is fuzzy. |
| 15:48.07 | Krisso | xk then? |
| 15:48.07 | asg | helmi: /join #exim |
| 15:48.08 | greycat | GDSHDKJSDFhSMlfdaHSDKJHZKJHDCKJA!!!!! |
| 15:48.11 | jetscreamer | helmi, type that |
| 15:48.12 | nevyn | reading fuzzy fonts sucks. |
| 15:48.14 | Krisso | xk what does that mean exactly? |
| 15:48.14 | xk | Krisso: it should work after that. |
| 15:48.17 | helmi | Thanks! |
| 15:48.20 | helmi | #exim |
| 15:48.24 | greycat | HOW the FUCK does someone get HERE and not know how to get THERE? |
| 15:48.29 | jetscreamer | no, /join #blah |
| 15:48.31 | xk | Krisso: it sets your dns stuff to your ISP (host -t ns net.t-com.hr) |
| 15:48.34 | jetscreamer | type that |
| 15:48.37 | p88 | greycat: I also asked myself that question |
| 15:48.37 | xk | greycat: hahah. |
| 15:48.48 | helmi | Works, thanks again :-) |
| 15:48.53 | asg | greycat: probably in some dropdown thingy |
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| 15:48.57 | nevyn | greycat: because they click xchat and it automatically connects to irc and joins this channel |
| 15:48.57 | Krisso | xk and that ip.. whos is it? |
| 15:49.04 | xk | Krisso: your isp? |
| 15:49.07 | greycat | nevyn: MAKE IT STOP!! |
| 15:49.09 | jetscreamer | greycat, some, xchat i think, come with this chan pre-setupp |
| 15:49.23 | greycat | jetscreamer: *whimper* |
| 15:49.23 | Krisso | xk how was it possible that it toasted the resolve file? |
| 15:49.24 | nevyn | greycat: take it up with the maintainer |
| 15:49.26 | p88 | jetscreamer: If I disable VGA but enable VESA and SiS can I then enable Framebuffer Console support? |
| 15:49.28 | asg | jetscreamer: then we should file a bug to stop that. |
| 15:49.29 | jetscreamer | maybe it wasn't xchat though |
| 15:49.38 | xk | Krisso: dunno... I didn't see the contents of resolv.conf, if you overwrote it ;) |
| 15:49.40 | jetscreamer | n p88 and i know nothing... go to tldp.org |
| 15:49.44 | greycat | jetscreamer: 10:48 CTCP VERSION reply from helmi: xchat 2.4.1 Linux 2.6.8.1n [i686/799.11MHz] |
| 15:50.00 | greycat | so, what's "2.6.8.1n" anyway? |
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| 15:50.05 | greycat | which non-Debian distro is that? |
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| 15:50.33 | Krisso | xk it was set to "nameserver 192.168.1.1" WHAT is damn strange! |
| 15:50.34 | FieldySnuts | heh |
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| 15:50.43 | greycat | Krisso: sounds like your DHCP server |
| 15:50.49 | FieldySnuts | Krisso: if you're using a router that does dhcp serving, it probably overwrote that |
| 15:50.51 | Krisso | greycat, it is.. |
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| 15:50.53 | xk | Krisso: if it was set to that, do you run a local name server (named?) |
| 15:50.54 | biosvirus | hello everybody!! I got a question, how can I go up in a terminal, so I can see what it showd me higher up |
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| 15:50.59 | xk | Krisso: if not, that's why it didn't work |
| 15:51.03 | jetscreamer | Krisso, got a router? then it's not strange |
| 15:51.10 | Krisso | jetscreamer, yes |
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| 15:51.16 | nevyn | p88: unless you have a DVI interconnect and lcd it's probably not worth bothering with. |
| 15:51.17 | Krisso | but why did it do it today? |
| 15:51.20 | Krisso | never happened before |
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| 15:51.41 | jetscreamer | Krisso, your router connects to your adsl, and you use dhcp from the router to get ip? |
| 15:51.41 | biosvirus | hello everybody!! I got a question, how can I go up in a terminal, so I can see what it showed me higher up |
| 15:51.52 | Krisso | jetscreamer, exactly |
| 15:51.53 | xk | biosvirus: shift pageup? |
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| 15:51.57 | jetscreamer | shift+pgup biosvirus |
| 15:51.59 | biosvirus | xk, ok thx |
| 15:52.04 | biosvirus | thx |
| 15:52.27 | xk | don't ask how to go down a page once you've gone up ;) |
| 15:52.32 | jetscreamer | Krisso, so that's your dns.... functions on this box i setup for somebody, so i guess that's how it's done |
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| 15:52.42 | xk | aol! |
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| 15:52.57 | dvs | p88: yeah, right ;-) |
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| 15:53.06 | jetscreamer | w54-g? |
| 15:53.06 | p88 | dvs: What is that supposed to mean? |
| 15:53.15 | Krisso | thx for the help guys. |
| 15:53.23 | Krisso | works again. |
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| 15:53.30 | dvs | p88: just kidding. It said "Nick collision from services." |
| 15:53.39 | greycat_ | !smite freenode |
| 15:53.42 | p88 | Okay |
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| 15:54.11 | xk | lol |
| 15:54.15 | Madkiss | Hi all. Just a short question: On my laptop, if I plug in a PCMCIA card, nothing happens. |
| 15:54.17 | greycat | Anyway, it looks like 2.6.8.1n is ubuntu... |
| 15:54.33 | jetscreamer | hah |
| 15:54.35 | xk | Madkiss: where is the question? |
| 15:54.39 | asg | greycat: then we file a bug against their bts to kindly ship them off to #ubuntu |
| 15:54.43 | mh_le_ | on boot, discover dosen't seem to detect my cd rom drives and thrus dosen't create the munt points, any pointers? |
| 15:54.46 | mwilson | Madkiss: Is something supposed to? |
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| 15:55.41 | shingouz | woo |
| 15:56.00 | jetscreamer | mh_le, more like discover sucks and shouldn't be managing mount points because it deletes them when you create them. dpkg-reconfigure discover and say no |
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| 15:56.00 | p88 | Are there w3m users or people who happen to know how to go back in history in w3m? |
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| 15:56.07 | nevyn | discover generally is becomming too clever for it's own good. |
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| 15:56.11 | nevyn | p88: b |
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| 15:56.34 | p88 | nevyn: Thanks but it is Shift+B I found out |
| 15:56.38 | mh_le_ | nevyn: I see.. anyway to work around it? |
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| 15:56.48 | Madkiss | mwilson: yes, it ought to load the right kernel |
| 15:56.50 | jetscreamer | -_- |
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| 15:56.54 | nevyn | mh_le_: lobotomise it? |
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| 15:57.02 | jetscreamer | mh_le, you could try /lastlog mh_le |
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| 15:57.35 | nevyn | mh_le_: I like things that are automatic. |
| 15:57.36 | nevyn | I don't like that discover screws with /media |
| 15:57.47 | jetscreamer | i don't like /media |
| 15:57.51 | nevyn | I don't like that it breaks /media |
| 15:58.20 | kbrooks | wtf is /media |
| 15:58.22 | mh_le_ | nevyn: yeah, is there something I could use instead of discover? |
| 15:58.24 | nevyn | I like that udev, hal and gnome-volume-manager just WORK. and mount stuff and I just put media in and take it out. |
| 15:58.26 | jetscreamer | the new /mnt |
| 15:58.30 | nevyn | no. |
| 15:58.36 | kbrooks | jetscreamer, hm? |
| 15:58.36 | Madkiss | 1ah, got it |
| 15:58.45 | nevyn | /mnt is for a temporary mount of a filesystem |
| 15:59.01 | kbrooks | i want to dsable the initrd |
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| 15:59.05 | nevyn | /media is for mountpoints for removable media. |
| 15:59.12 | nevyn | kbrooks: build a kernel. |
| 15:59.12 | kbrooks | do i *really* need it? |
| 15:59.18 | p88 | It seems from tldp.org that Framebuffer Console support is needed for Bootsplash to work. Is this true? |
| 15:59.19 | jetscreamer | no |
| 15:59.21 | nevyn | kbrooks: to run the binary kernel yes. |
| 15:59.24 | jetscreamer | yes |
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| 15:59.30 | kbrooks | ? |
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| 15:59.47 | jetscreamer | tldp lies p88 always... total disinformation |
| 16:00.01 | dvs | kbrooks: To run a Debian kernel, yes. |
| 16:00.03 | nevyn | kbrooks: to run debian packaged kernels you need initrd |
| 16:00.03 | kbrooks | why do i need a inital ram disk |
| 16:00.09 | p88 | :-/ |
| 16:00.12 | kbrooks | nevyn, why? |
| 16:00.13 | jetscreamer | kbrooks, compile a kernel and compile all needed modules in |
| 16:00.27 | nevyn | kbrooks: because the kernel doesn't have any ide chipsets or scsi chipsets built in. |
| 16:00.27 | jetscreamer | then amend your bootloader |
| 16:00.31 | nevyn | they're all in the initrd |
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| 16:00.50 | kbrooks | nevyn, oh ok |
| 16:00.58 | nevyn | there are NO built in drivers for anything (filesystems,block devices etc) in the debian kernels. |
| 16:01.07 | kbrooks | jetscreamer, no /usr/src/linux though |
| 16:01.11 | dripOl | hello |
| 16:01.17 | p88 | So what is Framebuffer Console support needed for? |
| 16:01.24 | jetscreamer | kbrooks, /usr/src/linux is deprecated, per torvald |
| 16:01.31 | p88 | except for what you told me before |
| 16:01.33 | kbrooks | why? |
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| 16:01.35 | FieldySnuts | slowing your terminal down, and kiddie eye candy |
| 16:01.36 | jetscreamer | for a good looking console p88 |
| 16:01.51 | p88 | jetscreamer: What makes it look good? Mine doesn't look good |
| 16:01.51 | nevyn | FieldySnuts: and laptops. |
| 16:01.52 | jetscreamer | kbrooks, google it (cuz it sucks nowadays i would guess) |
| 16:01.53 | nevyn | yay for sun 22x16 |
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| 16:02.00 | FieldySnuts | oh and also increasing the chance of a system hang |
| 16:02.09 | jetscreamer | p88 then you don't have a good looking console eh |
| 16:02.09 | nevyn | and not printing oopses ;) |
| 16:02.11 | p88 | very nice :-backslash |
| 16:02.21 | kbrooks | /lib/modules/2.6.8-1-386/source gives me a dangling symlink |
| 16:02.33 | jetscreamer | kbrooks, why are you messing with that? |
| 16:02.37 | FieldySnuts | sounds like a personal problem |
| 16:02.41 | nevyn | p88: it's poorly tested because linus doesn't like it. |
| 16:02.49 | p88 | ^_^ |
| 16:02.59 | kbrooks | jetscreamer, im not |
| 16:03.02 | nevyn | p88: it's there for non-x86 archs that don't have a text mode mostly |
| 16:03.08 | jetscreamer | why look |
| 16:03.21 | p88 | Ah I see. I do have x86 so I disable it |
| 16:03.24 | nevyn | like sparc and ppc-apple and such |
| 16:03.27 | kbrooks | because i want to compile the kernel |
| 16:03.38 | kbrooks | thats why |
| 16:03.41 | nevyn | p88: it is kinda neat and it is pretty |
| 16:03.54 | nevyn | kbrooks: did you install the package? |
| 16:04.04 | nevyn | kbrooks: kernel-source-/version/ |
| 16:04.08 | p88 | nevyn: But my terminals are all unpretty and I have the binary kernel. What makes it pretty? |
| 16:04.14 | kbrooks | nevyn, debian installed it for me |
| 16:04.16 | FieldySnuts | maybe I'm old fashion.ed i get the source manually, do whatever patches, install and maintain it myself |
| 16:04.28 | FieldySnuts | p88: it's pointless eyecandy. get over it. |
| 16:04.35 | nevyn | kbrooks: not unless you told it to it didn't |
| 16:04.45 | nevyn | kbrooks: kernel sources are not installed by default. |
| 16:04.51 | kbrooks | nevyn, it told me to |
| 16:04.51 | nevyn | FieldySnuts: I do that too.. |
| 16:04.54 | pipeline | p88: It's there so that linux can mangle any display device into looking like a PC-compatible VGA console |
| 16:04.55 | p88 | FieldySnuts: The fact that I have 1024x768 terminals is not dependent on framebuffers? |
| 16:05.03 | kbrooks | nevyn, it had me pick the source |
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| 16:05.10 | nevyn | kbrooks: then you have a .tar.bz2 in /usr/src/ |
| 16:05.13 | kbrooks | nevyn, expert26 i believe |
| 16:05.15 | pipeline | p88: There's so sane technical reason, it's just convenient to make all hardware suck equally. |
| 16:05.25 | nevyn | kbrooks: THAT is not a kernel-source |
| 16:05.33 | p88 | I see |
| 16:05.33 | jetscreamer | framebuffer looks good |
| 16:05.39 | slocate | question, isn't exim-base supposed to put an exim4 in /etc/init.d? |
| 16:05.42 | kbrooks | nevyn, talking about the booot mode i used |
| 16:05.43 | p88 | well I just disable it I don't need eyecandy |
| 16:05.46 | jetscreamer | p88 yes it is |
| 16:05.47 | greycat | slocate: /msg dpkg confmiss |
| 16:05.50 | p88 | I am a minimalist |
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| 16:05.55 | p88 | jetscreamer: it is dependent on it? |
| 16:05.56 | jetscreamer | k have fun |
| 16:05.59 | FieldySnuts | pipeline nailed it |
| 16:06.01 | nevyn | p88: framebuffer let's you use the cool SUN 22x16 font. which is neat |
| 16:06.06 | jetscreamer | p88 for a console that big i believe it is |
| 16:06.10 | nevyn | but that's mostly it. |
| 16:06.18 | p88 | jetscreamer: and for 800x600? |
| 16:06.24 | jetscreamer | nevyn, i like being able to fit more text |
| 16:06.27 | p88 | nevyn: that is huge |
| 16:06.34 | jetscreamer | p88 i don't know think so no idea |
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| 16:06.48 | nevyn | p88: it's about 80 cols and 24 rows at 1024x768 |
| 16:06.52 | p88 | Hm well... I don't know either |
| 16:06.54 | nevyn | which is perfect |
| 16:06.58 | pipeline | p88: You can disable it and you lose nothing. |
| 16:07.04 | p88 | good |
| 16:07.04 | kbrooks | nevyn, grrrrr |
| 16:07.09 | nevyn | for my 1024x768 laptop :) |
| 16:07.11 | p88 | I use X mostly anyway |
| 16:07.29 | p88 | Xtightvnc actually |
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| 16:07.38 | p88 | I am not on the local box most of the time |
| 16:07.39 | pipeline | nevyn: A "sun" font? Does it look like the Sun console font? |
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| 16:07.51 | p88 | so what would eyecandy be when I am not there anyway |
| 16:07.54 | nevyn | pipeline: no. it IS the sun console font. |
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| 16:08.13 | kbrooks | nevyn, LOOK. i do not have a tar.bz2 in /usr/src. ever. and i installed 2.6 kernel from the 2 choices -- 2.4 or 2.6 -- that d-i gave me. |
| 16:08.15 | karamelos | when I make packages, debuild always fails to run debsign. But debsign works if I run it later manually. |
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| 16:08.18 | pipeline | nevyn: That's public domain? :P |
| 16:08.20 | p88 | pipeline: Does the sun console font look nice? |
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| 16:08.35 | FieldySnuts | kbrooks: just install it manually, wasting your time this way |
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| 16:08.42 | overflow | anybody knows what happened with the mono for debian repository? |
| 16:08.43 | pipeline | p88: It's big, it's bold, and it's fixed-size. It's at least nicer than the VGA console font embedded in my graphics card. |
| 16:08.49 | nevyn | pipeline: you have to twiddle "allow custom font selection" in the framebuffer section of the kernel |
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| 16:09.04 | p88 | pipeline: I am comfortable with my VGA built-in font |
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| 16:09.07 | p88 | I don't care |
| 16:09.08 | nevyn | pipeline: the acorn font is also quite nice as is the sun 16x11 font |
| 16:09.08 | kbrooks | FieldySnuts, do i use apt-get to do so? |
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| 16:09.37 | nevyn | kbrooks: you havn't installed kernel-source-someversion then. |
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| 16:09.51 | nevyn | kbrooks: that's what I initially said to do and you didn't do it. don't blame me. |
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| 16:10.09 | jetscreamer | apt-cache search kernel-source-2.6, apt-get install one |
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| 16:10.42 | yoo | hi everybody ! |
| 16:10.54 | nevyn | it crashes the free flash player :( |
| 16:10.59 | yoo | hi jetscreamer ! |
| 16:11.02 | kbrooks | jetscreamer, thanks |
| 16:11.04 | nevyn | hi yoo |
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| 16:11.10 | yoo | hi nevyn ! |
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| 16:11.19 | yoo | hi pipeline ! |
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| 16:11.30 | overflow | Hi, anybody knows what happened with the mono for debian repository? |
| 16:11.32 | csorrell | I have a second nic on my debian box that I am dumping traffic into..I want to use tcpdump on that interface but it doesn't work. I can plug my laptop in and use ethereal fine to the same ethernet wire, but when I plug it into the debian interface it just shows as dropped packets in the ifconfig stats..anyone know how I can get this going? |
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| 16:11.44 | nevyn | web designers should all be forced to navigate their sites in lynx |
| 16:11.49 | yoo | hi cafuego ! |
| 16:11.50 | nevyn | fuckers. |
| 16:11.52 | pipeline | overflow: google for 'apt pinning for beginners' and use the unstable packages |
| 16:12.07 | sml | csorrell: are you using a cross over cable ? |
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| 16:12.21 | dvs | nevyn: Yeah. It makes it so hard to surf at work ;-) |
| 16:12.22 | kbrooks | pipeline, why use sid! |
| 16:12.24 | csorrell | sml: no, I don't need to |
| 16:12.31 | DJ-KING | how can i make a proxy server on my Debian GNU/Linux box ? |
| 16:12.31 | sml | csorrell: oh ok. |
| 16:12.37 | asg | DJ-KING: install squid |
| 16:12.45 | csorrell | sml: I get a link light, and it sees some traffic, but its registering under the dropped packets |
| 16:12.46 | pipeline | kbrooks: Use the unstable packages for mono inside your testing system, not use sid. |
| 16:12.51 | ruzbeh | i have a big problem |
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| 16:13.02 | sml | csorrell: maybe your NIC is faulty |
| 16:13.12 | nevyn | dvs: problem is I need to actually stay somewhere in canberra. and I can't afford to spend $30 extra a night on principal |
| 16:13.16 | ruzbeh | neither gedit or nautilus are working, they just don't start! |
| 16:13.19 | csorrell | sml: this is a brand new nic..with the same problem....someone else said that earlier so i changed it out |
| 16:13.32 | DJ-KING | asg: thanks |
| 16:13.41 | p88 | CRAMFS == Compressed ROM File System... isn't that odd? It should be called CROMFS |
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| 16:13.43 | dvs | nevyn: Where are you travelling from? |
| 16:13.58 | nevyn | if I could I would and I'd write to these bitches that due to their inability to create a website that even aproximatly functions without flash I don't want to deal with them |
| 16:14.05 | kbrooks | busy unpacking |
| 16:14.26 | overflow | pipeline, do you mean that mono is in "unstable" or "experimental" ? |
| 16:14.28 | nevyn | and the other place that had the gall to complain about my signed mime email being "non-standard" |
| 16:14.33 | p88 | nevyn: CRAMFS is needed for the initrd right? |
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| 16:14.43 | pipeline | overflow: Unstable, aka sid, has mono packages. Use pinning in order to use those safely. |
| 16:14.47 | dvs | nevyn: Now THAT'S clueless. |
| 16:14.54 | overflow | pipeline, thanks |
| 16:14.56 | p88 | Or is it ROMFS? |
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| 16:15.04 | jetscreamer | p88, cramfs? |
| 16:15.11 | pipeline | overflow: Add unstable sources to your sources.list, edit your preferences file correctly, and apt-get -t install mono-mcs |
| 16:15.19 | p88 | jetscreamer: cramfs for initrd |
| 16:15.21 | jetscreamer | p88, rom!=ram |
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| 16:15.23 | nevyn | p88: you don't need an initrd if the kernel has your root device and filesystem compiled in. |
| 16:15.24 | pipeline | overflow: err, apt-get -t unstable install mono-mcs |
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| 16:15.27 | p88 | jetscreamer: yes exactly |
| 16:15.35 | nevyn | and everything required to get to them. |
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| 16:15.51 | jetscreamer | p88, just break stuff :) |
| 16:15.54 | p88 | nevyn: root device compiled in? I have all my fs-es compiled in but my root device? |
| 16:16.06 | nevyn | p88: ide support. |
| 16:16.09 | nevyn | ide disk support |
| 16:16.12 | nevyn | most likely. |
| 16:16.17 | Knight_Lord | Is there any graphical interface for apt? X11 based i mean no ncurses |
| 16:16.18 | p88 | Ah I see |
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| 16:16.20 | nevyn | unless you have some funky sata or scsi setup |
| 16:16.27 | p88 | yes indeed I have an IDE root |
| 16:16.47 | p88 | nevyn: I have 14 SCSI drives off which I do not boot |
| 16:16.50 | dvs | Knight_Lord: synaptic |
| 16:16.52 | nvz | I recall this conversation going on like 2-3 nights ago, and people were telling this person not to configure/compile their own kernel because they obviously didnt know enough |
| 16:16.54 | abortigeno | hello, sorry for bad english and if i intromise in a discussion, i want to ask how to fix a bot to search on a debian repository like apt-cache search |
| 16:16.56 | nevyn | dvs: this was a brief fore' into the "real world" I was unimpressed. |
| 16:17.09 | p88 | nevyn: They are PVs for my LVM |
| 16:17.10 | biosvirus | someone know I good program, there you can see a lot of info about your computer? |
| 16:17.12 | nevyn | dvs: particularly when they complained to ME about their inabiltiy to READ email. :( |
| 16:17.18 | Knight_Lord | dvs thanks that's it |
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| 16:17.58 | dvs | nevyn: They should just stick to backpacking. Too many MS clueless people. |
| 16:18.11 | nevyn | can someone verify that www.canberrabackpackers.net.au hangs moz and konq solid with the free flashplayer? |
| 16:18.37 | p88 | not me... I don't have X running |
| 16:18.40 | biosvirus | someone know I good program, there you can see a lot of info about your computer? |
| 16:18.42 | edibletext | biosvirus, dmesg; lspci |
| 16:18.48 | p88 | biosvirus: maybe gkrellm |
| 16:18.52 | biosvirus | aha |
| 16:18.52 | biosvirus | ok |
| 16:18.55 | biosvirus | try it |
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| 16:19.07 | p88 | biosvirus: It is a system monitor |
| 16:19.19 | biosvirus | ok, I'll try it |
| 16:19.26 | p88 | biosvirus: Do you want a monitor or a diagnostics? |
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| 16:19.34 | overflow | Anyone has debian running on a PentiumIV processor with HT support? coz' Im having problems with ACPI so I had to disabled it. |
| 16:19.46 | nevyn | biosvirus: cat /proc/*info |
| 16:19.49 | petemc | im using HT on my xeon boxes |
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| 16:20.03 | petemc | overflow: all you need is acpi processor enumeration |
| 16:20.04 | biosvirus | diagnostics |
| 16:20.24 | p88 | biosvirus: Then just look at /proc |
| 16:20.31 | p88 | There is all your information |
| 16:20.35 | nevyn | biosvirus: what symptom? |
| 16:20.38 | biosvirus | k |
| 16:21.19 | p88 | chalcedony: Maybe you should not do that |
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| 16:21.31 | p88 | !tell chalcedony -about away |
| 16:21.33 | overflow | petemc, but any time I enable ACPI my keyboard freeze |
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| 16:22.06 | petemc | overflow: HT doesnt do much anyway |
| 16:22.08 | biosvirus | what file shall i check in /proc ? |
| 16:22.19 | nevyn | biosvirus: What are the symptoms? |
| 16:22.20 | biosvirus | I dont find a file/directory named "info" |
| 16:22.23 | p88 | biosvirus: What do you want to do? |
| 16:22.24 | DJ-KING | asg: i can't find a manual to configure it ( /etc/squid/squid.conf ) |
| 16:22.27 | FieldySnuts | overflow: SMP (not ht) system? |
| 16:22.28 | overflow | petemc, but ACPI does |
| 16:22.33 | p88 | biosvirus: Not info, *info |
| 16:22.39 | overflow | FieldySnuts, HT |
| 16:22.39 | biosvirus | I just wanna check whats inside my computer :) |
| 16:22.43 | p88 | biosvirus: Everything with info after the name |
| 16:22.50 | p88 | biosvirus: cpuinfo maybe |
| 16:22.51 | biosvirus | k |
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| 16:22.56 | FieldySnuts | overflow: ok. i know acpi fucks on smp, maybe it does on ht too. |
| 16:22.58 | asg | DJ-KING: look in /usr/share/doc/squid |
| 16:23.07 | overflow | petemc, and using 2.4 works fine |
| 16:23.08 | dvs | FieldySnuts: Not for me. |
| 16:23.15 | FieldySnuts | @medal dvs |
| 16:23.26 | FieldySnuts | n/m ravenbird is gone |
| 16:23.29 | dvs | lazy bots |
| 16:23.38 | petemc | overflow: dare i say it, use 2.4 then |
| 16:23.38 | overflow | petemc, FieldySnuts and using kernel 2.4 works fine (but I want HAL supported) |
| 16:23.45 | p88 | Ahri`afk: Why do you do that? |
| 16:23.46 | biosvirus | thx p88 n |
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| 16:23.51 | overflow | petemc, I want HAL support |
| 16:23.52 | dvs | Oh, I'm using a 2.6 kernel |
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| 16:23.55 | biosvirus | and nevvyn |
| 16:24.02 | biosvirus | thx m8s |
| 16:24.03 | nevyn | biosvirus: lspci wil tell you most of that |
| 16:24.06 | overflow | dvs, on HT Processor? |
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| 16:24.20 | dvs | overflow: yup |
| 16:24.27 | p88 | Does anyone know something about NSA Security Enhanced Linux? |
| 16:24.33 | nevyn | yeah. |
| 16:24.40 | DJ-KING | asg: huge |
| 16:24.40 | p88 | nevyn: You do? |
| 16:24.48 | dvs | overflow: On an Asus P4P800-Deluxe motherboard |
| 16:24.48 | overflow | dvs, with Sarge? |
| 16:24.53 | p88 | nevyn: Is is something like TrustedBSD? |
| 16:24.57 | dvs | overflow: yup |
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| 16:25.05 | Madkiss | Does somebody know how I make hostap_cs call the wlan-interface it detects wlan1? |
| 16:25.07 | overflow | dvs, :| ... what kernel? |
| 16:25.10 | asg | DJ-KING: yes, squid is very powerful |
| 16:25.14 | nevyn | p88: I know something about it. I know it's a MAC system for linux. with roles... |
| 16:25.17 | dvs | 2.6.11.4 |
| 16:25.32 | p88 | Right a Mandatory Access Control system like in TrustedBSD |
| 16:25.42 | nevyn | p88: yes. |
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| 16:25.51 | overflow | dvs, compiled by you I guess? |
| 16:25.57 | dvs | overflow: yup |
| 16:26.13 | p88 | nevyn: I found that MAC in BSD was *really* hard to configure and I still don't understand how it really works so would it be better not to install this? |
| 16:26.28 | nevyn | p88: build it. don't enable it. |
| 16:26.32 | overflow | dvs, are you ever tried the 2.6.8-2 that comes with sarge ? |
| 16:26.37 | p88 | nevyn: Or should I install it but keep the option to disable it at boot time |
| 16:26.53 | dvs | overflow: Nope, I roll my own kernels |
| 16:26.58 | p88 | CONFIG_SECURITY_SELINUX_DISABLE |
| 16:27.08 | nevyn | p88: it won't be enabled unless you create a set of policies and load them and enable them |
| 16:27.17 | p88 | nevyn: That is good |
| 16:27.31 | p88 | nevyn: And do you know Root Plug? |
| 16:28.01 | overflow | dvs, is too much to ask you .config kernel file? |
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| 16:28.20 | dvs | overflow: How will I get it to you? |
| 16:28.29 | overflow | dvs, dcc send, or email |
| 16:28.35 | p88 | It prevents any programs running with egid == 0 if a specific USB device is not present in the system. (Info from make menuconfig) |
| 16:28.38 | nevyn | Root Plug. nope. |
| 16:28.49 | qwertz | Hi! Has anybody used a ext2/3 recovery tool and can recommend something? |
| 16:28.51 | dvs | overflow: I'll try dcc send but I haven't done it before. |
| 16:28.56 | dvs | overflow: sec... |
| 16:29.00 | overflow | dvs thx |
| 16:29.01 | nevyn | p88: that's kinda neat. |
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| 16:29.07 | p88 | nevyn: What does it mean? |
| 16:29.09 | Felesh | hi |
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| 16:29.36 | nevyn | p88: for stuff to execute with effective gid root a physical token must be present. |
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| 16:29.48 | p88 | nevyn: i.e. a USB key? |
| 16:29.48 | Felesh | someone know how can i connect to 2 servers with bitchx? If i do /server TheServer bitchx disconnect of the first server |
| 16:29.57 | alindeman | Use /connect |
| 16:29.58 | overflow | dvhart, not working .. |
| 16:30.03 | nevyn | p88: it could be a mouse or whatever. just a specific usb device ID |
| 16:30.08 | overflow | dvs, not working... |
| 16:30.15 | DJ-KING | asg: it is all about my friend who can't go on some websites (political) in some other country , i wanna built a proxy server so he can get into those sites through me , which is not prohibited in here |
| 16:30.16 | nevyn | which are supposed to be unique |
| 16:30.34 | Felesh | alindeman the /connect is my answer? |
| 16:30.37 | overflow | dvs, that's my email address |
| 16:30.37 | p88 | nevyn: I know something like that. Logic from Apple does that too |
| 16:30.41 | alindeman | Felesh: Yah |
| 16:30.47 | Felesh | thanks |
| 16:30.49 | p88 | nevyn: I will read some articles on it |
| 16:30.54 | p88 | on linuxjournal |
| 16:31.18 | asg | DJ-KING: cool, then do so. Try #samba for more help in configuration. |
| 16:32.05 | dvs | overflow: Ok, I sent it. |
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| 16:32.22 | brrr | hi |
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| 16:32.54 | dvs | How do close these darn dcc windows in XChat? |
| 16:33.17 | overflow | dvs thanks a lot |
| 16:33.18 | nevyn | asg: samba? |
| 16:33.25 | nevyn | asg: don't you mean squid? |
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| 16:34.01 | dvs | overflow: no problem |
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| 16:34.40 | asg | nevyn: argghl. Yes. |
| 16:34.44 | asg | DJ-KING: s/samba/squid/ |
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| 16:35.29 | nevyn | asg: altho he could use samba with PAM_SMB to plugin to squid to authenticate his friend |
| 16:35.44 | nevyn | but that's probably getting a little hardcore. |
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| 16:36.00 | asg | nevyn: I'd suggest his friend tunnle via ssh if said friend is in a position such as he appears to be. |
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| 16:36.29 | p88 | nevyn: Aaaw the Root Plug is soo neat |
| 16:36.35 | nevyn | asg: these situations suck. but are common east of the great firewall |
| 16:36.40 | nevyn | p88: is it what I said? |
| 16:36.42 | asg | nevyn: agreed |
| 16:36.45 | nevyn | or did I guess wrong? |
| 16:36.50 | DJ-KING | asg: samba ? what does samba have to do with a proxy server |
| 16:36.51 | p88 | nevyn: yes indeed you were right |
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| 16:37.01 | nevyn | DJ-KING: we just discussed that. |
| 16:37.03 | asg | DJ-KING: 11:36 < asg> DJ-KING: s/samba/squid/ |
| 16:37.07 | nevyn | DJ-KING: read the backlog. |
| 16:37.14 | iNGENI{} | hello. |
| 16:37.17 | p88 | nevyn: www.linuxjournal.com/article.php?sid=6279 |
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| 16:37.42 | iNGENI{} | sorry I am really new here. Any channel on Spanish language ? |
| 16:37.50 | dvs | !es |
| 16:37.50 | dpkg | Hispanohablantes: Por favor usen #debian-es, alli obtendran mas ayuda. Spanish Speakers: Please use #debian-es, there you will get much more help. |
| 16:38.11 | iNGENI{} | dpkg: Thanks |
| 16:38.11 | dpkg | iNGENI{}: de nada |
| 16:38.20 | psyklops | hehe |
| 16:38.25 | overflow | dvs, I got it. Thanks a lot |
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| 16:38.32 | DogWater | Hi there. I have a quick question, originally when debian was installed by my dedicated server provider they set the hostname to 900007, but the real hostname is something different, so i changed the hostname right? but whenever sendmail tries to send mail in shell scripts /usr/sbin/mail or /usr/sbin/sendmail it always sends mail as root@900007 instead of root@hostname, any idea why? |
| 16:38.34 | dvs | overflow: good |
| 16:39.04 | asg | DogWater: the hostname was hardcoded in sendmail's config file (or exim's or whatever.) |
| 16:39.10 | DogWater | it wasnt |
| 16:39.17 | DogWater | i even tried to hard code the right one |
| 16:39.26 | asg | DogWater: then you didn't set the hostname correctly (/msg dpkg hostname) |
| 16:39.38 | DogWater | hostname -f displays the proper hostname |
| 16:40.04 | greycat | DogWater: ls -ld /usr/sbin/sendmail |
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| 16:40.47 | nevyn | DogWater: the hostname is one of those things that conf files embed everwhere :( |
| 16:40.59 | DogWater | lrwxrwxrwx 1 root root 26 2005-03-11 17:12 /usr/sbin/sendmail -> /etc/alternatives/sendmail |
| 16:41.01 | nevyn | s/everwhere/everywhere |
| 16:41.11 | greycat | DogWater: keep going.... ls -ld /etc/alternatives/sendmail |
| 16:41.14 | DogWater | nevyn: yeah but if i type hostname -f it actually tells me its fine |
| 16:41.15 | asg | DogWater: do the same with /etc/alternatives/sendmail |
| 16:41.29 | nevyn | DogWater: it's coded into the actual config of sendmail |
| 16:41.38 | nevyn | DogWater: why are you using sendmail? |
| 16:41.47 | DogWater | -rwxr-sr-x 1 root smmsp 704684 2005-02-07 11:13 /usr/lib/sm.bin/sendmail |
| 16:41.48 | asg | nevyn: he may not be using sendmail, we have yet to determine that |
| 16:41.50 | greycat | nevyn: we don't know that he *is* yet... |
| 16:41.51 | p88 | meh my hostname is localhost.localdomain |
| 16:41.58 | greycat | well... that does look like sendmail. |
| 16:42.05 | DogWater | im using sendmail because exim4 wasnt even logging |
| 16:42.10 | p88 | :-( |
| 16:42.13 | DogWater | so i had no idea why it wasnt delivering mail |
| 16:42.15 | greycat | !find sm.bin/sendmail sarge |
| 16:42.15 | nevyn | he said sendmail sends mail. |
| 16:42.23 | DJ-KING | asg: http_access allow 10.0.0.0/255.0.0.0 " what if it is a remote IP " |
| 16:42.27 | greycat | nevyn: a lot of newbies say sendmail when they mean "my MTA" |
| 16:42.28 | asg | nevyn: he was mentioning the local injector |
| 16:42.34 | nevyn | ah. |
| 16:42.35 | asg | DJ-KING: please consult with #squid |
| 16:42.40 | DogWater | No i meant sendmail |
| 16:42.43 | dpkg | Debian Search of 'sm.bin/sendmail' (1): (/usr/lib/sm.bin/sendmail) in mail/sendmail-bin. |
| 16:42.44 | DogWater | im not really a newbie. |
| 16:42.54 | nevyn | DogWater: sendmail is EVIL |
| 16:42.55 | greycat | DogWater: well, it's clearly a sendmail-specific problem |
| 16:42.57 | p88 | now that looks better :) |
| 16:42.58 | DJ-KING | asg: thanks , sorry for bothering |
| 16:43.00 | p88 | filesrv.xinutec.org |
| 16:43.03 | DogWater | Thats not true, exim did the same thing |
| 16:43.03 | asg | DJ-KING: no worries. |
| 16:43.08 | nevyn | DogWater: the only good reason to run it is if you're recieving >1email a second |
| 16:43.10 | greycat | DogWater: then you have a LOGGING problem. |
| 16:43.12 | mwilson | DogWater: You're using sendmail, aren't you? |
| 16:43.17 | biosvirus | someone know where to put your website, Im running apache2 |
| 16:43.17 | DogWater | it exim would send to hosts that allowed mail from root@900007 |
| 16:43.20 | asg | DogWater: did you rebuild the config after making the change to sendmail's configuration? |
| 16:43.40 | DogWater | yes, i ran m4 on the config |
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| 16:44.09 | biosvirus | someone know where to put your website, Im running apache2 |
| 16:44.10 | DogWater | the problem only occurs when hosts dont accept mail from invalid domains :D |
| 16:44.13 | DogWater | otherwise it works great! |
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| 16:44.23 | nevyn | sendmail wins in high incomming loads because it doesn't deliver. that's the only good thing about sendmail. |
| 16:44.24 | greycat | biosvirus: grep -r DocumentRoot /etc/apache* |
| 16:44.31 | nevyn | imeo :) |
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| 16:44.44 | biosvirus | greycat, shall i write that in a terminal ? |
| 16:44.46 | DogWater | i've always liked sendmail |
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| 16:44.52 | greycat | biosvirus: no, fucking engrave it on your skull. |
| 16:45.02 | biosvirus | allright :) |
| 16:45.09 | nevyn | DogWater: high incoming loads.. is the only reason I'd deploy it.. |
| 16:45.10 | greycat | GOD, where do these idiots come from? |
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| 16:45.14 | ThePiratemaster | i have a problem with getting my ASUS A8N SLI DELUXE motherboard to dtect my VGA card, the voice post keeps saying "system failed VGA-check". i read the manual and there no awnser in there |
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| 16:45.26 | ThePiratemaster | what do i need to do to get my system to work |
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| 16:45.31 | DogWater | is he refering to me as an idiot? |
| 16:45.37 | biosvirus | haha |
| 16:45.41 | nevyn | ThePiratemaster: #hardware |
| 16:45.41 | greycat | ThePiratemaster: swap out the video card |
| 16:45.46 | nevyn | DogWater: no.. biosvirus |
| 16:45.49 | ThePiratemaster | i did that |
| 16:45.58 | ThePiratemaster | they both function fine on other modo's |
| 16:46.00 | biosvirus | Its my first time using debian ffs |
| 16:46.03 | dvs | ThePiratemaster: What video card? |
| 16:46.03 | ThePiratemaster | *mobo's |
| 16:46.06 | biosvirus | using linux i mean |
| 16:46.10 | greycat | ThePiratemaster: do *all* video cards fail on this mobo? |
| 16:46.22 | ThePiratemaster | no |
| 16:46.25 | greycat | biosvirus: then why in god's name did you install apache2? |
| 16:46.26 | ThePiratemaster | just the 2 i tried |
| 16:46.29 | DogWater | PCIe is yummy |
| 16:46.35 | ThePiratemaster | i know |
| 16:46.39 | ThePiratemaster | i have it |
| 16:46.56 | nevyn | DogWater: so explain to me.. if you havn't got more than ooh... 1mail/second why the hell would you deploy sendmail? |
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| 16:47.01 | ThePiratemaster | are VGA-cards even compatible with PCI-e x16? |
| 16:47.03 | DogWater | hm I wonder if the .deb for sendmail automatically puts the hostname somewhere funky |
| 16:47.07 | biosvirus | II run it on a win. comp. at home, thought It would by alomost the same |
| 16:47.19 | DogWater | what the hell are you talking about |
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| 16:47.40 | nevyn | DogWater: as I said. sendmail is the best solution for high incomming mail loads. |
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| 16:47.49 | DogWater | nevyn: :D |
| 16:47.52 | nevyn | DogWater: but. they are relativly rare. |
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| 16:48.00 | ThePiratemaster | are VGA-cards even compatible with PCI-e x16 slots O_O |
| 16:48.04 | biosvirus | so, sorry greycat for beeing a noob, if you dont want to answer then dont |
| 16:48.04 | DogWater | nevyn: I get over 3mill a day from my postini traffic |
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| 16:48.12 | FieldySnuts | @lart ThePiratemaster |
| 16:48.22 | nevyn | postini? |
| 16:48.24 | ThePiratemaster | lol |
| 16:48.28 | ThePiratemaster | ... |
| 16:48.32 | nevyn | DogWater: incomming? |
| 16:48.38 | DogWater | Yeah they filter our mail |
| 16:48.45 | edibletext | DogWater, grep the files in /etc for your old hostname |
| 16:48.54 | DogWater | edibletext: I did that. |
| 16:48.59 | simonrvn | speaking of high mail loads, i know yahoo uses postfix. some other sites use exim. and some use sendmail, like nevyn said. though i haven't seen many lately. |
| 16:49.04 | DogWater | edibletext: i actually did it recursively |
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| 16:49.21 | asg | DogWater: I'd check /usr/share/doc/sendmail/* and see if there is anything special that's Debian specific you need to do. |
| 16:49.22 | simonrvn | @lart buggy sa-exim |
| 16:49.28 | edibletext | DogWater, hmm try / also? |
| 16:49.32 | nevyn | DogWater: you get 3million emails a day sustained in? |
| 16:49.44 | DogWater | nevyn: thats what Postini doesnt quarantine |
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| 16:49.56 | DogWater | nevyn: we have one of the most spammed domains in history |
| 16:50.03 | nevyn | spam.com? |
| 16:50.05 | DogWater | and we didnt want to dump it |
| 16:50.05 | nevyn | sco.com? |
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| 16:50.11 | asg | microsoft.com |
| 16:50.16 | DogWater | because our users like it cause its only 2 letters |
| 16:50.17 | gaber | where can I find raidtools2 for amd64? |
| 16:50.29 | DogWater | but its been around for like 10 years |
| 16:50.31 | nevyn | DogWater: a 2char domain... |
| 16:50.32 | asg | gaber: ask #debian-adm64 |
| 16:50.35 | asg | s/adm/amd/ |
| 16:50.37 | greycat | nevyn: ee.net I presume |
| 16:50.43 | nevyn | I've heard of those.. I thought they were an internet legend... |
| 16:50.46 | gaber | asg: asked |
| 16:50.49 | edibletext | co.uk |
| 16:50.56 | nevyn | I heard you can get them with truckloads of cash... |
| 16:51.08 | DogWater | someone offered us $600 for it |
| 16:51.09 | DogWater | lol |
| 16:51.11 | nevyn | given to NSI/verisign/whoever they are now. |
| 16:51.33 | asg | DogWater: oh, you can buy a couple of kegs of something nice with that princely sum |
| 16:51.56 | nevyn | DogWater: when did they offer you $600? |
| 16:51.59 | DogWater | not worth it. users like the short domain |
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| 16:52.25 | DogWater | but we get nailed pretty hard :D |
| 16:52.27 | DogWater | spam wise |
| 16:52.28 | nevyn | anyway. sendmail is nessicary for your job ignore the man behind the curtain etc. |
| 16:52.51 | DogWater | nevyn: well actually.. all im using sendmail for is to try and get a shell script to email me the ls -la of a directory |
| 16:52.53 | DogWater | once a day |
| 16:53.05 | DogWater | on an otherwise idle backup box |
| 16:53.14 | nevyn | DogWater: sendmail is NOT nessicary for that job. |
| 16:53.16 | DogWater | right |
| 16:53.18 | asg | DogWater: then use nullmailer or ssmtp |
| 16:53.22 | DogWater | but exim and exim4 wouldnt do it |
| 16:53.44 | DogWater | so i figured i'd just set it up like a normal mail server |
| 16:53.44 | caphuso | what, exim stopped supporting things like "ls -la | mail foo@bar"? |
| 16:53.46 | nevyn | DogWater: they would too. |
| 16:53.54 | biosvirus | I have a problem, what should I type in the browser to see my website? I tried 127.0.0.1 didnt work, i tried 127.0.0.1:80 didnt work, and I tried: 127.0.0.1:80/index.html |
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| 16:54.00 | DogWater | caphusa: no, it didnt its just reading my hostname incorrectly |
| 16:54.13 | asg | biosvirus: is your webserver running? netstat -ntl |
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| 16:54.18 | dvs | biosvirus: 127.0.0.1 should have worked. |
| 16:54.26 | caphuso | DogWater: so you misconfigured it |
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| 16:54.30 | greycat | what is the "problem"? |
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| 16:54.35 | greycat | what "didn't work"? |
| 16:54.37 | nevyn | biosvirus: is it running? |
| 16:54.39 | greycat | how didn't it? |
| 16:54.39 | DogWater | chaphuso: i didnt misconfigure it |
| 16:54.51 | nevyn | DogWater: hostname returns the correct thing? |
| 16:54.56 | nevyn | /etc/hosts has the right info? |
| 16:55.00 | DogWater | nevyn: hostname -f returns the correct hostname |
| 16:55.01 | biosvirus | I can I see if apache is runing :P |
| 16:55.07 | biosvirus | how* |
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| 16:55.10 | asg | biosvirus: netstat -ntl ; ps aux | grep apache |
| 16:55.18 | nevyn | asg: ps aux|grep apache |
| 16:55.22 | greycat | lsof -i :80 |
| 16:55.29 | DogWater | chaphuso: when you install sarge exim *usually* is capable of delivering email to the internet |
| 16:55.46 | petemc | depends if you chose to configure it |
| 16:55.50 | asg | nevyn: nothing wrong with a few spaces. |
| 16:56.06 | biosvirus | dvs biosvirus: 127.0.0.1 should have worked. |
| 16:56.06 | biosvirus | caphuso DogWater: so you misconfigured it |
| 16:56.06 | biosvirus | * mandavi (~s0355762@141.45.32.83) has joined #debian |
| 16:56.06 | biosvirus | greycat what is the "problem"? |
| 16:56.06 | biosvirus | * claudemir (~claudemir@200.195.151.130) has left #debian ("Fui embora") |
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| 16:56.20 | asg | ffs |
| 16:56.27 | nevyn | hrm |
| 16:56.35 | greycat | unfuckingbelievable |
| 16:56.36 | nevyn | yay for the middleclick of death |
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| 16:57.32 | nevyn | greycat: is it just me or is the channel more.. annoying than usual ? |
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| 16:57.52 | asg | nevyn: it's been getting more annoying for months |
| 16:58.00 | dvs | It's Sunday already? I just seemed like yesterday |
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| 16:58.08 | biosvirus | ohhsorry |
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| 16:58.18 | biosvirus | I pasted the wrong thing :( |
| 16:58.19 | nevyn | biosvirus: BAD very BAD. |
| 16:58.25 | asg | biosvirus: use your mouse properly or you shan't be allowed to have one. |
| 16:58.35 | greycat | nevyn: it's not as bad as it was thursday of last week. yet. |
| 16:58.39 | biosvirus | i pasted wrong :( |
| 16:58.41 | nevyn | nobody should be given a mouse. |
| 16:58.44 | DogWater | I dont mean to bug you guys with this, im just trying to get this thing to email me once a day :D |
| 16:59.04 | nevyn | DogWater: you're ok.. other than admitting to liking sendmail. |
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| 16:59.10 | edibletext | when mice are outlawed... |
| 16:59.14 | DogWater | well i'll admit to not liking qmail |
| 16:59.21 | nevyn | DogWater: for this job I'd say go back to exim. |
| 16:59.23 | DogWater | does that help |
| 16:59.28 | biosvirus | so, where can I see if apache is running? |
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| 16:59.35 | caphuso | no, go to nullmailer or ssmtp |
| 16:59.37 | DogWater | ps -ax | grep httpd |
| 16:59.41 | greycat | biosvirus: you were given at least two ways, and one of those was given at least twice. |
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| 16:59.49 | nevyn | DogWater: I don't like djb. I don't like his licences. but his software is pretty good. :) |
| 16:59.51 | greycat | -ax is wrong. always. |
| 17:00.00 | greycat | it worked in slackware 3, for fuck's sake, just because it's OLD. |
| 17:00.10 | biosvirus | i tried ..... grep apache |
| 17:00.14 | nevyn | unfortunatly his licences make me unable to rely on his software . |
| 17:00.16 | dvs | biosvirus: here's another /etc/init.d/apache status |
| 17:00.25 | DogWater | plus he's kind of a prick |
| 17:00.27 | biosvirus | dvs, thx! |
| 17:00.29 | biosvirus | I'll try it |
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| 17:00.48 | DogWater | greycat: -ax works in every version of linux |
| 17:00.53 | greycat | DogWater: wrong. |
| 17:00.55 | asg | DogWater: most people from U Chicago exhibits the same smugness |
| 17:00.58 | nevyn | DogWater: like I said. don't like djb. but his software is quite.. elegant. |
| 17:01.02 | greycat | arc1:/# ps -ax |
| 17:01.02 | greycat | Warning: bad syntax, perhaps a bogus '-'? See http://procps.sf.net/faq.html |
| 17:01.11 | DogWater | graycat: it gives a error but it still does what i want |
| 17:01.22 | nevyn | DogWater: - is deprecated on most modern unixes |
| 17:01.34 | DogWater | graycat: that way I dont have to change between if i have to work on a solaris or a bsd box |
| 17:01.39 | greycat | - introduces the SYSTEM FIVE SYNTAX. |
| 17:01.42 | greycat | ps -ef is correct. |
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| 17:01.51 | greycat | WITHOUT the -, you get the BERKELEY SOFTWARE DISTRIBUTION SYNTAX. |
| 17:01.54 | greycat | ps auxw is correct. |
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| 17:02.06 | nevyn | AH... thanks greycat |
| 17:02.15 | greycat | How fucking hard would it have been to CLICK the URL in that error message and READ it? |
| 17:02.22 | p88 | nevyn: Can you help me applying a patch? |
| 17:02.35 | nevyn | -ef confused me when I first saw it in solaris courseware. |
| 17:02.43 | biosvirus | it says: Connection refused, when I try 127.0.0.1 |
| 17:02.48 | nevyn | p88: patch -p1 < patch |
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| 17:02.52 | biosvirus | can it be my shorewall ? |
| 17:02.59 | nevyn | biosvirus: YES YES IT CAN. |
| 17:03.08 | p88 | nevyn: always -p1? |
| 17:03.09 | biosvirus | how do I change that then ? |
| 17:03.24 | nevyn | p88: in the top level of the kernel directory |
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| 17:03.34 | p88 | Okay :) thanks |
| 17:03.47 | greycat | nevyn: solaris is even more messy than normal, because which syntax you get depends on whether /usr/ucb is before or after /usr/bin in $PATH |
| 17:03.59 | greycat | nevyn: and the same applies to echo --- EVEN THE BUILTIN ECHO in the shell. |
| 17:04.03 | DogWater | Ok, so the hostname is set correctly on this box, and currently I have no mta installed i just removed sendmail |
| 17:04.08 | greycat | !punish solaris for being confusing |
| 17:04.08 | DogWater | so what are you guys suggesting |
| 17:04.10 | nevyn | greycat: that's just wrong. |
| 17:04.33 | biosvirus | nevyn, did you mean that, or were you just trying to make fun of me ? |
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| 17:04.35 | greycat | DogWater: purge sendmail, purge exim (if not already purged), and install exim. let it configure itself with your new hostname. |
| 17:04.48 | BrutusLinux | what is the comand to configure sound card? |
| 17:04.49 | DogWater | by purge you mean remove |
| 17:04.59 | greycat | !purge |
| 17:04.59 | dpkg | i heard purge is to complete wipe away a package, including it's config files. Use apt-get remove --purge [package] |
| 17:04.59 | nevyn | biosvirus: a firewall by definition blocks services running on your system |
| 17:05.01 | dvs | BrutusLinux: Depends on the sound card |
| 17:05.01 | stew | !WikiFaq BrutusLinux UseSoundCard |
| 17:05.04 | dpkg | BrutusLinux: check out http://www.linuks.mine.nu/debian-faq-wiki/UseSoundCard or if that doesn't work, try http://www.linuks.mine.nu/debian-faq-wiki/ |
| 17:05.13 | greycat | DogWater: or in this case, dpkg --purge --force-depends |
| 17:05.17 | BrutusLinux | I'm using alsa....with two sound cards |
| 17:05.27 | BrutusLinux | do I need to pick one to use? |
| 17:05.29 | greycat | BrutusLinux: /j #alsa |
| 17:05.37 | biosvirus | nevyn, aha, do you know how a configure it so it doesn't block apache? |
| 17:05.38 | nevyn | biosvirus: apache would be.. a service running on your system |
| 17:05.43 | dvs | BrutusLinux: Nope, ALSA can use two at the same time |
| 17:05.44 | biosvirus | yes |
| 17:05.45 | stew | BrutusLinux: alsa will let you use both |
| 17:06.01 | DogWater | How do you get the exim4 config thing to pop up again? |
| 17:06.08 | DogWater | its dpkg_something? |
| 17:06.10 | nevyn | biosvirus: I could probably muddle through it. |
| 17:06.12 | greycat | DogWater: dpkg-reconfigure exim4-config |
| 17:06.14 | DogWater | yeah |
| 17:06.15 | DogWater | thanks gc |
| 17:06.20 | iNGENI{} | ok. a question. I have a pentium 4 HT on debian sarge update at Today. When boot on smp kernel the linux report this error: ACPI unable to start the acpi interpreter. Any idea ? |
| 17:06.24 | DogWater | i have to support like 6 distros |
| 17:06.26 | nevyn | biosvirus: but I'm not going to. |
| 17:06.26 | biosvirus | nevynm how do you mean ? |
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| 17:06.33 | DogWater | my head gets kind of blurred sometimes |
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| 17:06.44 | biosvirus | ok |
| 17:06.58 | biosvirus | do you know how a close shorewall then :P |
| 17:07.00 | nevyn | biosvirus: I could work it out... but it's not something where I know exactly what needs to be done. |
| 17:07.06 | biosvirus | I* |
| 17:07.13 | nevyn | biosvirus: /etc/init.d/shorewall stop? |
| 17:07.13 | biosvirus | aha, ok |
| 17:07.16 | greycat | why the fuck did you install shorewall if you didn't intend to USE it, or even LEARN to use it? |
| 17:07.31 | nevyn | greycat: because we must have a firewall... |
| 17:07.40 | biosvirus | greycat, plz be quiet |
| 17:07.49 | nevyn | biosvirus: you don't get to say that. |
| 17:07.50 | DogWater | oops |
| 17:07.51 | greycat | nevyn: oh, because windows had one, right? |
| 17:08.10 | biosvirus | ok sorry |
| 17:08.17 | nevyn | greycat: no because otherwise evil hackers can steal your personal information :) |
| 17:08.44 | edibletext | nevyn, Think of the children! |
| 17:08.45 | FieldySnuts | ravenbird: hack nevyn |
| 17:08.51 | greycat | nevyn: so you run all services by default, but then block all their ports in the firewall? Wow, that's brilliant. |
| 17:08.58 | nevyn | greycat: right. |
| 17:09.03 | FieldySnuts | yay for security via obscurity! |
| 17:09.15 | biosvirus | I cant close it :P If i press shorewall in init.d it just says if I wanna start it, or view it, maybe its not on |
| 17:09.32 | nevyn | because users can't be held accountable for checking what software they run. |
| 17:09.33 | dvs | nevyn: Do you work for Microsoft? ;-) |
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| 17:09.43 | greycat | biosvirus: are you adminsitering your unix box with a fucking GUI? |
| 17:09.45 | holo | greycat, my dpkg doesn't have --force-depends, and i'm not using solaris :p |
| 17:09.50 | biosvirus | When I started it a wrote something in a terminal, I just cant remimber what |
| 17:09.54 | greycat | holo: I bet you're wrong. |
| 17:10.03 | biosvirus | greycat: lol |
| 17:10.16 | holo | greycat, i bet i am not |
| 17:10.21 | greycat | holo: which version of debian? |
| 17:10.28 | iNGENI{} | I back |
| 17:10.32 | holo | testing |
| 17:10.35 | DogWater | root@debconfvisiblenamedebconf: Unrouteable address |
| 17:10.35 | nevyn | biosvirus: this is another typing thing.. |
| 17:10.36 | DogWater | lol |
| 17:10.40 | DogWater | nice |
| 17:10.43 | nevyn | as root.. type /etc/init.d/shorewall stop |
| 17:10.45 | greycat | holo: sarge most certainly has dpkg --force-depends. |
| 17:10.47 | stew | holo: you are wrong |
| 17:10.53 | biosvirus | nevyn, ok thx |
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| 17:10.55 | stew | holo: dpkg --force-help |
| 17:10.55 | greycat | holo: you probably forgot the *verb*, like --purge |
| 17:11.00 | DogWater | love how it worked out those macros |
| 17:11.08 | nevyn | DogWater: edit /etc/email-addresses |
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| 17:11.25 | asg | $ dpkg --force-depends |
| 17:11.25 | asg | dpkg: need an action option |
| 17:11.48 | holo | greycat no, just used man dpkg and then /--force-depends and it didn't find anything |
| 17:11.50 | p88 | where are servers and services disabled and enabled except for inetd.conf and rcX.d? |
| 17:11.52 | greycat | verb, action, same concept. |
| 17:12.06 | asg | holo: dpkg --force-help |
| 17:12.06 | greycat | holo: I didn't say the man pages were well written. |
| 17:12.07 | holo | i guess their manpages aren't up to date |
| 17:12.15 | greycat | holo: no, it's just not written WELL. |
| 17:12.19 | abrotman | !linux man pages |
| 17:12.19 | dpkg | linux man pages are utterly shit, and you can't fix them even if you try. For example, see http://bugs.debian.org/111578 |
| 17:12.20 | nevyn | holo: see --force-things |
| 17:12.29 | stew | holo: dpkg --force-help |
| 17:12.34 | greycat | holo: the information is in there, but they don't think like we do. so they don't make it searchable in that manner. They break the information apart and obscure it. |
| 17:12.34 | holo | ok ok |
| 17:12.40 | biosvirus | nevyn, I closed it, but it still says "connection refused" |
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| 17:13.01 | DogWater | nevyn: wow its literally not even running the macros |
| 17:13.04 | holo | you are making my screen awfully red by calling my nickname |
| 17:13.13 | greycat | holo: then stop being wrong :-P |
| 17:13.17 | asg | hah |
| 17:13.22 | holo | stop it! haaa |
| 17:13.30 | holo | 8| |
| 17:13.46 | asg | we will continue saying 'holo' to you if you do not appease us. |
| 17:14.00 | p88 | My screen does not go red when people call my name |
| 17:14.08 | p88 | Their names go yellow but that's it |
| 17:14.10 | asg | p88: you have the executive version |
| 17:14.21 | greycat | it's a bug! |
| 17:14.22 | p88 | :D |
| 17:14.27 | holo | ok, you are all right about dpkg, you red bastards |
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| 17:14.33 | asg | !win greycat |
| 17:14.34 | dpkg | Congratulations, greycat! You have won the US presidency! |
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| 17:14.43 | p88 | ^^ |
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| 17:15.18 | jethro | hi |
| 17:15.21 | p88 | Are services enabled/disabled anywhere else besides inetd.conf and rcX.d? |
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| 17:15.44 | greycat | p88: some may be embedded in the kernel... |
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| 17:16.00 | p88 | greycat: And that's it? |
| 17:16.06 | greycat | p88: why? |
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| 17:16.25 | p88 | greycat: I want to disable services to make my system less vulnerable. I just need https/sftp/ssh |
| 17:16.29 | p88 | and ftp maybe... |
| 17:16.49 | greycat | p88: /msg dpkg open ports |
| 17:16.56 | lsorensen | p88: you want secure and you want ftp? You have to make up your mind |
| 17:17.06 | Henning | He said sftp. |
| 17:17.11 | greycat | 12:16 p88> and ftp maybe... |
| 17:17.13 | p88 | lsorensen: anonymous ftp |
| 17:17.18 | Henning | Oh. |
| 17:17.33 | p88 | I want sftp for me and ftp for people who want to put files on my computer |
| 17:17.33 | nevyn | meh http>ftp |
| 17:17.34 | lsorensen | p88: ahh. |
| 17:17.46 | nevyn | p88: anon ftp UPLOAD... ooh... |
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| 17:18.00 | nevyn | DOS. |
| 17:18.01 | biosvirus | how do I edit things, i need to edit apache, but I can just do it as root, what do I write in a term. to change NO_START |
| 17:18.08 | p88 | This is why I want to disable many things |
| 17:18.17 | lsorensen | p88: well you could do: netstat -anp, and see what processes are listening on ports,. |
| 17:18.24 | asg | biosvirus: editor foo |
| 17:18.31 | lsorensen | p88: gives some idea what is running. once you know what is running you can search for what starts it |
| 17:18.31 | p88 | I also want to disable ftp all the time and enable it when I need it enable it |
| 17:18.31 | nevyn | p88: have you considered a small http upload script instead? |
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| 17:18.38 | nevyn | p88: or webdav? |
| 17:18.40 | p88 | lsorensen: I did that |
| 17:18.44 | p88 | nevyn: webdav? |
| 17:18.45 | justin | lsorensen: you can also run the correct netstat comment that is mentioned in the open ports factoid |
| 17:19.03 | edibletext | p88, consider winscp. Windows users can actually use it. |
| 17:19.04 | p88 | nevyn: I might do http upload and disable ftp entirely |
| 17:19.19 | p88 | edibletext: Is winscp a package? |
| 17:19.24 | biosvirus | texteditor doesn't work, cuz I need to be root |
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| 17:19.26 | p88 | or is it just scp? |
| 17:19.38 | nevyn | p88: ftp is or should be deprecated. |
| 17:19.44 | asg | biosvirus: then become root |
| 17:19.45 | edibletext | p88, scp with windows gui |
| 17:19.52 | nevyn | there's also the putty sftp client |
| 17:20.00 | biosvirus | how, I just know how to become root in a terminal |
| 17:20.02 | p88 | yes the putty sftp client |
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| 17:20.13 | p88 | I gave a friend of mine some nice sftp client |
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| 17:20.17 | ravenbird | ROOOOOOOOOT has landed! |
| 17:20.23 | edibletext | p88, people can use use who would normally say "whats documentation" |
| 17:20.25 | p88 | ^_^ |
| 17:20.32 | nevyn | ~tell yang about root |
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| 17:20.37 | nevyn | !tell yang about root |
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| 17:21.02 | p88 | yang: are you root? |
| 17:21.22 | p88 | could be that he called him/herself root but has uid 1003 or so |
| 17:21.26 | nevyn | root is -v in this channel. |
| 17:21.29 | biosvirus | can I write something in a terminal to edit apache ? |
| 17:21.41 | nevyn | biosvirus: what do you want to edit? |
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| 17:21.55 | justin | !wayttd biosvirus |
| 17:21.56 | dpkg | What Are You Trying To Do, biosvirus? |
| 17:21.59 | nevyn | biosvirus: note if you say the /etc/init.d/apache script I will have to hurt you. |
| 17:22.03 | deckrider | I've been using mutt with Maildir, but want to convert to courier-imap because its too difficult to use multiple clients otheriwse....however I'm not sure what to do with my .procmail file. Should I let it write to the filesystem underneath courier-imap? Is there some concurrency issues I should be worried about? |
| 17:22.04 | biosvirus | I found out that apache was on NOT_START 1 |
| 17:22.08 | p88 | nevyn: In most channels root is but what if it is uid 1003 and name == root? |
| 17:22.13 | biosvirus | and i can just edit it as root |
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| 17:22.18 | greycat | what the fuck is he talking about? |
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| 17:22.28 | deckrider | .procmailrc even |
| 17:22.41 | nevyn | biosvirus: try nano apache |
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| 17:22.47 | biosvirus | k |
| 17:23.10 | asg | biosvirus: I suggest you go find a nice book on basic Unix usage and administration. |
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| 17:23.33 | nevyn | hrm something I agree with you on.. who would of thunk it. |
| 17:23.36 | biosvirus | asg, if I cant find one on the web, I will go to the library as soon as I can |
| 17:23.57 | nevyn | I think there's a basic tute on eskimo |
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| 17:23.58 | jethro | biosvirus: just google for some doc |
| 17:24.08 | biosvirus | yeah, I'll try that |
| 17:24.14 | edibletext | biosvirus, youll find most of what you need to know on teh web |
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| 17:24.22 | asg | biosvirus: good lad |
| 17:24.26 | DogWater | nevyn: i hate being a newb but i know very litle about exim, how do i tell exim: ok exim, deliver mail for 127.0.0.1 to the internet |
| 17:24.30 | yang | I previously had duron 900 installed on my box, now i buyed sempron 2300 and computer doesnt start? IS IT possible that motherboard doesnt support 333mhz |
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| 17:24.59 | edibletext | the internet seems weighted in favor of computers and porn |
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| 17:25.06 | edibletext | but it could just be me.. |
| 17:25.17 | greycat | edibletext: yeah, those non-computer internets didn't catch on very well. |
| 17:25.19 | DogWater | nevyn: right now, no matter who i tell it to deliver mail to it says its unroutable because i dont have the domain listed in a file |
| 17:25.22 | edibletext | heh |
| 17:25.49 | edibletext | greycat, high degrees of latency |
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| 17:25.58 | DogWater | i swear when i used debian 3.1 all of this was preconfigured :D |
| 17:25.59 | dvs | yang: I was wondering that myself. My roommate has a Duron 1.4Ghz and I was wondering if I can install a Sempron on it as well. |
| 17:26.10 | greycat | DogWater: yes, that would be the normal experience. |
| 17:26.10 | nevyn | DogWater: did you go through the curses based configuration for exim? |
| 17:26.25 | yang | dvs: both are |
| 17:26.25 | yang | f |
| 17:26.25 | yang | or |
| 17:26.28 | yang | <PROTECTED> |
| 17:26.30 | DogWater | nevyn: yeah. |
| 17:26.32 | greycat | DogWater: did you try *purging* all the MTA configs and starting over? |
| 17:26.38 | DogWater | greycat: yea |
| 17:27.16 | nevyn | edibletext: and meds. |
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| 17:27.46 | DogWater | hostlist relay_from_hosts = 127.0.0.1 |
| 17:27.49 | DogWater | well hell |
| 17:27.55 | DogWater | it says to relay right there |
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| 17:28.10 | todd_ | bah <MeTaLLiCa> http://www.videoturk.tr.gs Free Porno Videos |
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| 17:28.24 | justin | DogWater: maybe if you bothered to mention the exact error someone could help you |
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| 17:28.31 | todd_ | does anyone know how to see what fonts are installed? |
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| 17:29.26 | DogWater | 2005-03-21 11:15:57 1DDQVR-0003o5-2F ** address@ee.net: Unrouteable address |
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| 17:29.43 | p88 | greycat: what did metallica do? |
| 17:29.45 | DogWater | its not sending because ee.net isnt listed in the domain to send to list |
| 17:29.50 | jethro | p88: pr0n spam |
| 17:29.58 | DogWater | but i want it to be able to SEND_TO any domain |
| 17:30.03 | greycat | p88: onjoin pr0m spam to be precise |
| 17:30.04 | jethro | p88: just read the chan it'll save you from asking pointless stuff |
| 17:30.09 | p88 | Where? I don't see anything |
| 17:30.13 | greycat | p88: onjoin. |
| 17:30.19 | jethro | :28:12 todd_ | bah <MeTaLLiCa> http://www.videoturk.tr.gs Free Porno Videos |
| 17:30.22 | yang | dvs:it doesnt work, i dont get the picture |
| 17:30.27 | p88 | jethro: I have looked through my log I can't find anything |
| 17:30.37 | p88 | aaaj |
| 17:30.39 | greycat | p88: YOU WERE ALREADY HERE. |
| 17:30.42 | p88 | I see |
| 17:30.43 | dvs | yang: I'll keep that in mind |
| 17:30.43 | jethro | p88: then you need (better)? glasses |
| 17:31.06 | nevyn | DogWater: there's a screen "Domains we should accept mail for" |
| 17:31.14 | nevyn | in dpkg-reconfigure exim. |
| 17:31.16 | adaran | how can i install a specific version of the kde metapacke? (5:43, for example?) apt-get install kde-5:43 does not seem to work |
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| 17:31.24 | justin | nevyn: too ba that screen has nothing to do with that problem |
| 17:31.35 | DogWater | nevyn: problem isnt to do with accepting email FOR |
| 17:31.37 | p88 | greycat: can you tell me when? |
| 17:31.48 | jethro | !moron p88 |
| 17:31.49 | dpkg | p88: You are moron #85 |
| 17:31.52 | todd_ | why do you care at all |
| 17:31.53 | adaran | or is there a better way to install kde from experimental, while pulling as many non-experimental packages as possible (-t experimental draws all experimental deps, afaik) |
| 17:31.53 | DogWater | it wont let me send email out to anyone |
| 17:32.13 | p88 | Thanks a lot jethro :-/ |
| 17:32.22 | p88 | :-( |
| 17:32.24 | nevyn | justin: you're right my bad. |
| 17:32.26 | p88 | I can't find it |
| 17:32.44 | jethro | p88: find what? |
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| 17:32.47 | greycat | p88: /lastlog metallica |
| 17:33.03 | justin | DogWater: reconfigure exim from scratch, this time just hit enter a lot and it will work |
| 17:33.13 | todd_ | i have a pretty good feeling p88 is also metallica |
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| 17:33.15 | p88 | ah :03 |
| 17:33.19 | edibletext | heh |
| 17:33.29 | jethro | todd_: I think he's just low on IQ |
| 17:33.36 | todd_ | either one |
| 17:33.41 | todd_ | or both |
| 17:33.42 | justin | ... p88 [~pippijn88@ACB28368.ipt.aol.com] |
| 17:33.51 | p88 | wow that was long ago |
| 17:33.56 | p88 | 30 minutes ago |
| 17:34.19 | jethro | p88: it was 5 minutes ago, when todd_ reported the onjoin pr0n spam |
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| 17:35.12 | p88 | jethro: how did todd_ know? |
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| 17:35.21 | jethro | p88: because he joined? |
| 17:35.23 | p88 | He joined and said it |
| 17:35.42 | p88 | jethro: When I join I don't see everyone's onjoin messages |
| 17:35.42 | jethro | p88: are you really *that* stupid, or are you just pretending it? |
| 17:35.49 | greycat | Haven't you grokked the concept of "ON JOIN" yet? |
| 17:35.54 | jethro | omfg |
| 17:35.58 | todd_ | p88: if i mail you a gun will you promise to use it on yourself |
| 17:36.06 | p88 | :-( |
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| 17:36.21 | greycat | !sing monday |
| 17:36.21 | dpkg | And school's out early and soon we'll be learning / The lesson today is how to die |
| 17:36.24 | jethro | p88: welcome to the depths of ignoreland, you're way to stupid for me to bother reading you |
| 17:36.35 | p88 | :'( |
| 17:36.38 | p88 | I am not stupid |
| 17:36.43 | p88 | I am new to everything |
| 17:36.46 | adaran | He can't hear you :P |
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| 17:37.18 | p88 | I guess I will retreat and go back to FreeBSD |
| 17:37.44 | edibletext | adaran, thats the residual heat from the baptism of fire |
| 17:37.45 | p88 | I feel excessive anger against new people |
| 17:37.51 | DogWater | justin thats what i did |
| 17:37.53 | greycat | if that's intended to be a threat or a mechanism to manipulate us into being nice to you, it won't work. |
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| 17:38.07 | p88 | It is not |
| 17:38.08 | greycat | we're not angry at new people. just at stupid ones. |
| 17:38.12 | nevyn | DogWater: I'm assume dns works.. and routing works etc |
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| 17:38.20 | p88 | How am I supposed to know all these things? |
| 17:38.21 | DogWater | yeah its on the net |
| 17:38.23 | jethro | greycat: you have a point there |
| 17:38.28 | adaran | edibletext, well, it won't be there once sarge is declared stable |
| 17:38.37 | biosvirus | you're suppose to help newbies, aren't you? |
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| 17:38.43 | adaran | edibletext, because hell will haven frozen over then =) |
| 17:38.50 | greycat | biosvirus: are we? says who? |
| 17:38.50 | edibletext | heh |
| 17:39.01 | adaran | biosvirus, yes, we all signed a contract that forces us to =) |
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| 17:39.14 | Phated | Sworn a blood oath, eh. |
| 17:39.15 | jethro | biosvirus: we're all volunteers, and I certainly will NOT volunteer to help stupid people |
| 17:39.16 | biosvirus | I read: IRC channel, free help on-line :P |
| 17:39.23 | Miguelzinho | this command: egrep -v \# /etc/apt/sources.list returns to me just de mirrors in use, but is show a lot os blank lines, how can I skip the blank lines? |
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| 17:39.31 | Phated | We read: IRC channel, idiots trying to get free help online. |
| 17:39.31 | edibletext | biosvirus, we help them by means of torture and humiliation. |
| 17:39.38 | edibletext | biosvirus, it makes them tuff |
| 17:39.44 | biosvirus | aha, didnt think off that |
| 17:39.49 | adaran | biosvirus, well it's better then the "free ipod offer" - but there are different attitudes among 800 ppl in a chan =) |
| 17:40.00 | biosvirus | hehe |
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| 17:40.08 | greycat | Miguelzinho: grep '[^#]' /etc/apt/sources.list |
| 17:40.18 | greycat | oops. |
| 17:40.20 | greycat | Miguelzinho: grep '^[^#]' /etc/apt/sources.list |
| 17:40.40 | adaran | greycat, how bout grep -v '^#' /etc/apt/sources.list ? |
| 17:40.48 | greycat | adaran: read his question again |
| 17:41.02 | nevyn | todd_: what evidence do you have for this feeling? |
| 17:41.08 | nevyn | just out of curiosity? |
| 17:41.17 | todd_ | for what? |
| 17:41.21 | adaran | greycat, right, my bafd |
| 17:41.25 | adaran | s/bafd/bad |
| 17:41.34 | nevyn | todd_: that p88 == metallica. |
| 17:42.09 | todd_ | just blabing |
| 17:42.27 | adaran | metallica sucks =( |
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| 17:43.01 | Phated | Hey, maybe he does == metallica! |
| 17:43.22 | Miguelzinho | greycat, thanks! |
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| 17:43.54 | nevyn | todd_: ? |
| 17:43.58 | todd_ | sucks has gotten way out of context |
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| 17:44.27 | adaran | hmm the funny thing is, when you see "Leaving" in a quit message, but in a language you don't know, does it not interest you which language that was? damn unfair you never get to ask people, if you ask me! =) |
| 17:44.43 | todd_ | lamnar? |
| 17:44.53 | adaran | Lämnar =) |
| 17:44.54 | todd_ | sounds like a pokemon |
| 17:44.55 | greycat | adaran: what pisses me off is when someone quits in my top window but I don't know which of the 10 channels in that window they were in |
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| 17:45.37 | adaran | greycat, i'm only in #debian. i'm the DOS of irc users =) no multitasking =) |
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| 17:46.13 | greycat | *sigh* |
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| 17:46.30 | nevyn | that was painless. |
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| 17:46.40 | greycat | is ~knoppix still +q'ed? |
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| 17:46.57 | greycat | 12:46 81 - #debian: ban %*!~knoppix@* [by ballard.freenode.net, 779446 secs ago] |
| 17:46.59 | greycat | 12:46 73 - #debian: ban knoppix*!*@* [by vinge.freenode.net, 734480 secs ago] |
| 17:47.03 | jethro | haha |
| 17:47.11 | treestone | For what it's worth, (oh where's that special key..) "Lämnar" is Swedish |
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| 17:47.12 | Phated | Wheehaa. |
| 17:47.25 | adaran | treestone, ah, thanks =) |
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| 17:47.37 | treestone | (and it means "Leaving" :-) |
| 17:47.39 | adaran | greycat, too many knoppix' coming in here askign knoppix questions? |
| 17:47.41 | todd_ | heh |
| 17:47.52 | greycat | adaran: too bad we can't spot the ubuntubians so easily |
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| 17:48.38 | jethro | let's file a bug for ubuntu, requesting a static ident for ubuntu users on IRC |
| 17:48.43 | adaran | greycat, i'd suggest you put notes on that into topic, but i guess if they come here instead of #ubunto or #knoppix, they don't read the topic anyways =) |
| 17:48.52 | greycat | adaran: too right. |
| 17:48.59 | todd_ | Your search - ubuntubians - did not match any documents |
| 17:49.09 | adaran | greycat, soooo.... can you help me with my ubuntu problem? |
| 17:49.10 | Miguelzinho | egrep '^[^#]' /etc/apt/sources.list | awk '{print "mirror: " $2 }' , this give to me the mirror, how can I take this output into a variable of the script? |
| 17:49.11 | jethro | ubuntubbies |
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| 17:49.30 | adaran | Miguelzinho, backquote the whole thing, iirc |
| 17:49.32 | SiLENT|30|3 | Is there a switchdesk program like fedora... |
| 17:49.32 | greycat | gods. |
| 17:49.40 | todd_ | Results 1 - 10 of about 44,800,000 for ubuntubbies |
| 17:49.40 | SiLENT|30|3 | To switch window managers, and setup which the default is. |
| 17:49.51 | edibletext | telubunties |
| 17:49.52 | jethro | SiLENT|30|3: update-alternative can do that |
| 17:49.53 | greycat | Miguelzinho: what are you trying to DO with each line of the file? |
| 17:50.09 | adaran | SOMEVAR=`egrep '^[^#]' /etc/apt/sources.list | awk '{print "mirror: " $2 }'` maybe? dunno, i suck (yes, it's overused) at shell scripting |
| 17:50.19 | greycat | Miguelzinho: while read deb mirror junk; do echo "mirror: $mirror"; done < <(egrep '^[^#]' /etc/apt/sources.list) |
| 17:51.02 | greycat | although I can't really *criticize* people in #debian for not knowing how to write efficient and readable scripts... |
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| 17:51.18 | adaran | greycat, why's that? |
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| 17:51.24 | greycat | because this isn't #bash |
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| 17:51.50 | jethro | greycat: would not work with deb-src lines would it? |
| 17:51.50 | jethro | :D |
| 17:51.50 | greycat | jethro: sure it would. it would just print column 2. |
| 17:51.52 | jethro | ok |
| 17:51.54 | todd_ | most people just dont want to know how to write scripts |
| 17:52.00 | jethro | I need to rtfm on shell scripting more :) |
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| 17:52.10 | greycat | todd_: it looks like Miguelzinho is trying |
| 17:52.11 | nevyn | jethro: advanced bash scripting howto |
| 17:52.19 | jethro | $deb would take either deb or deb-src as values? |
| 17:52.23 | greycat | jethro: yes |
| 17:52.26 | jethro | ok thanks |
| 17:52.28 | DogWater | is there anyway to restore /etc/ecim4 |
| 17:52.30 | allgood | can anybody tell me if there is a package that lists all files that doesn't belong to a .deb package? |
| 17:52.31 | DogWater | err /etc/exim4? |
| 17:52.32 | edibletext | todd_, most would be happy being tube feed manburger |
| 17:52.34 | DogWater | back to the default |
| 17:52.36 | simonrvn | but it's so useful. one's gotta wonder why they don't... |
| 17:52.37 | greycat | allgood: cruft |
| 17:52.42 | todd_ | read a book before you come here, you'll never learn asking everything around |
| 17:52.44 | allgood | greycat, will check |
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| 17:53.07 | greycat | todd_: but we might be able to suggest which FM they should R |
| 17:53.14 | jethro | todd_: depends on what you're answered, and what you do with the answer |
| 17:53.15 | todd_ | :) |
| 17:53.23 | greycat | jethro: and what you ask |
| 17:53.29 | jethro | greycat: yeah |
| 17:53.45 | adaran | now, on to new adventures |
| 17:53.51 | todd_ | like why does my TV take 30 seconds to come on |
| 17:53.52 | adaran | kde 3.4, here i come |
| 17:53.59 | adaran | todd_, it's booting =) |
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| 17:54.09 | greycat | todd_: because it's old? |
| 17:54.09 | todd_ | seriously |
| 17:54.24 | DogWater | i deleted /etc/exim4 |
| 17:54.25 | DogWater | :D |
| 17:54.31 | greycat | newer TVs keep god-awfully-huge capacitors charged up to decrease the time spent powering on |
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| 17:54.36 | DogWater | ah to hell with this :D |
| 17:54.42 | todd_ | no, for some reason, probably very known, hdtvs do thata |
| 17:54.44 | DogWater | im having a bad week |
| 17:54.49 | nevyn | greycat: there's a scary thought. |
| 17:54.51 | DogWater | a squirrel built a nest in the engine of my car |
| 17:54.52 | greycat | todd_: oh, hdtv? probably what adaran said then. |
| 17:55.05 | Miguelzinho | greycat, thanks, this tips helped me |
| 17:55.13 | adaran | soth`, until then |
| 17:55.19 | DogWater | im just trying to get this bastard to send email |
| 17:55.31 | Althaser | how can i put subtitles in movie with totem ?? plz |
| 17:55.31 | greycat | Miguelzinho: #bash is a better place to ask general questions about shell scripts, but the debian-specific stuff might be off topic there. hard to say which was better in that case. |
| 17:55.40 | DogWater | the only thing that is going to make this week worth half a crap is the fact that my PSP might be here on friday |
| 17:55.42 | greycat | Miguelzinho: I'm in both, thouhg. |
| 17:55.51 | mwilson | Totem supports subtitles? |
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| 17:55.59 | todd_ | ahhhh, i can't change the channel, reading rainbow |
| 17:55.59 | greycat | mwilson: maybe not... |
| 17:56.02 | Althaser | mwilson yep |
| 17:56.13 | Althaser | greycat no ? |
| 17:56.40 | mwilson | Althaser: Well, since you don't even know if it does, perhaps finding THAT out first would be a good idea. |
| 17:57.03 | Althaser | mwilson i know that supports |
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| 17:57.08 | SexyKen | Anyone know how much medical insurance would cost per month in CA for a single 21 yr old male |
| 17:57.17 | dmp_ | eh? |
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| 17:57.24 | Althaser | have sure but dont know how |
| 17:57.25 | treestone | OT of the week? |
| 17:57.30 | aidehua | Can I butter bread *then* toast it? |
| 17:57.31 | mwilson | Althaser: Make up your mind. First you do, then you're not sure, now you're sure again. |
| 17:57.36 | ruzbeh | firefox 1.0.1 gets stuck on some websites >_> |
| 17:57.36 | SiLENT|30|3 | SexyKen, I think .ca has free health insurance.. |
| 17:57.38 | dmp_ | SexyKen: You win the treestone OT question of the week award |
| 17:57.38 | SiLENT|30|3 | For _everyone_ |
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| 17:57.40 | SiLENT|30|3 | No matter what |
| 17:57.41 | greycat | aidehua: you can, yes. |
| 17:57.44 | simonrvn | SexyKen: how about you go do the research instead of asking here? |
| 17:57.47 | mwilson | aidehua: Sure. Never made a grilled cheese sandwich before? |
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| 17:57.51 | fp- | hi all |
| 17:57.54 | c4_ | how do i force direct rendering enable? |
| 17:57.57 | mwilson | aidehua: Or Garlic Bread? (yum) |
| 17:58.00 | SiLENT|30|3 | It's not like in the .us |
| 17:58.02 | slidesinger | Isn't there a way to force dpkg to ignore errors and remove a package anyway? |
| 17:58.06 | SiLENT|30|3 | It's free health care there. |
| 17:58.09 | mwilson | slidesinger: No. |
| 17:58.11 | SexyKen | Because I'm not sure where to look. |
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| 17:58.15 | simonrvn | SiLENT|30|3: yes, but it's slowly getting ripped away (long story). |
| 17:58.16 | aidehua | I was more concerned about the vertical alignment of the bread slices. |
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| 17:58.30 | Phated | aidehua: Toaster ovens are a gift from god. |
| 17:58.55 | Althaser | mwilson i'm sure that support |
| 17:59.07 | mwilson | Althaser: How are you sure? |
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| 17:59.31 | greycat | mwilson: I make my grilled cheese slightly differently. I put some butter in the frying pan, let it start to sizzle, then slap some plain bread down onto it, and slosh it around a bit, then put the cheese and the other bread on top. |
| 17:59.42 | Althaser | because i already read about it and know people how play it |
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| 17:59.52 | simonrvn | greycat: that's what i do |
| 17:59.56 | mwilson | greycat: That works too. |
| 17:59.58 | DogWater | does anyone have this file they could email me? exim4.conf.template |
| 18:00.00 | greycat | when it's ready to flip, I put more butter down alongside the bread, wait for it to melt/sizzle, then flip the sandwich over and repeat |
| 18:00.02 | aidehua | Fry the bread, then the cheese, in a pan!? Amazing idea! |
| 18:00.03 | SiLENT|30|3 | That's how I like it greycat |
| 18:00.05 | SiLENT|30|3 | Butter on the bread |
| 18:00.12 | SiLENT|30|3 | damn, Now I'll have to make one. |
| 18:00.27 | nevyn | greycat: my method aproximates yours. |
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| 18:00.30 | greycat | aidehua: no, together. |
| 18:00.32 | QuestionBoi | perl: anyone know of a perl module that can create a valid (blank) instance of a xml document from an xml schema? I will then "fill in" the xml instance with my data... ? |
| 18:00.42 | moshii | is it possible to make grub show the boot menu only if a key is pressed? I'd like to just boot into the default kernel unless i press ctrl or something |
| 18:00.51 | greycat | nevyn: my wife butters the bread first, then puts it in the pan, but I find that to be far harder. |
| 18:00.53 | Phated | aidehua: No, no! |
| 18:01.02 | Phated | aidehua: Horizontal, always horizontal! |
| 18:01.09 | todd_ | since this is neither #perl nor #xml |
| 18:01.20 | treestone | todd_: It is #bread |
| 18:01.25 | mwilson | I know someone who melts the butter FIRST, then uses one of those basting brushes on the bread. |
| 18:01.32 | treestone | or #toast |
| 18:01.34 | mwilson | Weird. |
| 18:01.34 | greycat | mwilson: oh, now that's just fancy. |
| 18:01.38 | Phated | #grilledcheese, actually. |
| 18:01.47 | Phated | mwilson: Far too fussy, how would you clean the basting brush? |
| 18:01.48 | slidesinger | I've been running jed/testing for some time...during the last upgrade it refused to install the new package...generating two errors: |
| 18:01.48 | slidesinger | dpkg: warning - old pre-removal script returned error exit status 2 |
| 18:01.52 | greycat | #lactosetolerant |
| 18:01.56 | mwilson | Phated: Disposables. |
| 18:01.57 | simonrvn | "i would like to make a #toast!" |
| 18:01.59 | aidehua | mwilson: that sounds a bit cordon bleu. |
| 18:02.01 | DogWater | anyone know where i can get this file from ? exim4.conf.template |
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| 18:02.13 | DogWater | i sort of uh deleted the /etc/exim4 directory :D |
| 18:02.14 | Phated | mwilson: Ah. |
| 18:02.15 | treestone | Ah, #scamorza, grilled cheese... |
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| 18:02.23 | greycat | DogWater: dpkg --purge --force-depends exim4 exim4-config |
| 18:02.27 | aidehua | Vertical-toasting> I think I prefer the way the cool butter interacts with the hot toast, to be honest. Nothing exploded though. |
| 18:02.29 | slidesinger | and update-alternatives: unable to make /usr/man/man1/editor.1.gz.dpkg-tmp a symlink to /etc/alternatives/editor.1.gz: No such file or directory |
| 18:02.32 | greycat | DogWater: apt-get install exim4 exim4-config |
| 18:02.36 | grivell | How would I kill an app that uses # amount of memory? (example, Konqueror using 450MB). My dad's system needs this badly so that I don't have to ssh in :) |
| 18:02.40 | simonrvn | DogWater: dpkg -i --force-confmiss /path/to/file.deb |
| 18:02.41 | greycat | !depends exim4 sarge |
| 18:02.43 | dpkg | exim4: depends on exim4-base (>= 4.44), exim4-daemon-light | exim4-daemon-heavy | exim4-daemon-custom |
| 18:02.49 | greycat | bah. |
| 18:02.51 | nevyn | greycat: putting the config in a seperate package is EVIL |
| 18:02.52 | jethro | bah |
| 18:02.53 | greycat | how many fucking packages is it? |
| 18:02.59 | greycat | nevyn: agreed |
| 18:03.02 | jethro | you made me hungry damn you |
| 18:03.05 | todd_ | new zealenders eat 7 gallons of ice cream per person per year |
| 18:03.14 | mwilson | todd_: Is that all? |
| 18:03.16 | greycat | todd_: is that more or less than the US? |
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| 18:03.19 | simonrvn | too fucking many |
| 18:03.21 | todd_ | Us is 6 |
| 18:03.25 | fp- | this is off-topic, perhaps somebody could direct me to the appropriate channel. I am looking for an open-source virtual hosting control panel that will allow remote procedure calls. I've looked at web-cp and vhcs, but both have to be localhost in order to interact with it ;( does anybody have any ideas. I just need something that can provision virtual hosting accounts on a machine from a remote provisioning system. |
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| 18:03.27 | jethro | nobody can beat the french people at drinking! |
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| 18:03.36 | greycat | jethro: Irish? |
| 18:03.42 | jethro | I think they don't |
| 18:03.46 | Knight_Lord | jethro lol, just look at the swedes |
| 18:03.54 | jethro | we have the more liters/people a year |
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| 18:04.07 | jethro | Knight_Lord: they drink when not in sweden, for alcohol is *fucking* expensive there |
| 18:04.08 | Knight_Lord | ah if you want liters per year look at portugal |
| 18:04.36 | Knight_Lord | jethro yea i know alcohol is expensive here but they don't have anythign else to put their money on |
| 18:04.40 | treestone | Scandinavians can probably drink more beer than most, but I've yet to meet anyone who can drink more whisky that the scots.. |
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| 18:04.48 | treestone | s/that/than/ |
| 18:04.48 | slidesinger | I have checked...the file in question does exist in the place specified. It is a symlink to the jed manpage. I don't know about the other error. This one is over my head...anyone have any ideas? |
| 18:04.56 | mwilson | treestone: Not the Irish? |
| 18:05.15 | zcram | question: gcc is complaining about crt1.o not being there. I know that there is a certain package not installed but i do not know which one of them... ? |
| 18:05.18 | Biosvirus | does someone "newbie friendly" know how to remove shorewall |
| 18:05.19 | Biosvirus | ? |
| 18:05.22 | jethro | i ve met swedes in france, and they told me they were actually drinking *much* more in france since it was cheaper to drink, but they were students so that might be different for workers |
| 18:05.24 | treestone | mwilson: I only know one Irish guy and he doesn't drink much whiskey (but then again he doesn't live in Ireland) |
| 18:05.33 | jethro | Biosvirus: apt-get remove shorewall ? |
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| 18:05.41 | grivell | What I am looking for might be an OOM killer. But I want to set it to kill apps that use 400MB. Anyone have an idea? |
| 18:05.51 | Biosvirus | jethro. it wont work, it's still there |
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| 18:06.17 | Biosvirus | and I cant edit the STARTUP either, I am root, it should work |
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| 18:06.55 | Biosvirus | someone know how to edit shorewall to NOT start auto ? |
| 18:07.29 | Knight_Lord | jethro of course if it's cheaper they will drink more, because they can buy more for the same ammoutn of money |
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| 18:07.39 | jethro | Knight_Lord: that was actually my point |
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| 18:07.49 | Cyanophytes | when i try to logout of kde it goes to a blank screen forcing me to repeatedly press ctl+alt+backspace to get to a login prompt. Is ther any way to change this? |
| 18:07.49 | nevyn | grivell: the oom killer won't do that. |
| 18:08.17 | Biosvirus | nevyn, you know how to change shorewall to not start when debian starts? |
| 18:08.17 | mooded | Biosvirus: i guess remove it from your init-scripts ? (change file-permissions if u cant edit a file) |
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| 18:08.28 | mte | hi..why does "dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xfree86" not write the /etc/X11/XF86Config-4? |
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| 18:08.49 | nevyn | Biosvirus: mv /etc/rc2.d/S??shorewall /etc/rc2.d/K??shorewall |
| 18:08.50 | js_ | mte: it says in the comment of the file |
| 18:08.51 | Biosvirus | mooded, sorry, Im a newbie, how do I change file-permissions? |
| 18:08.56 | grivell | nevyn: I know, but is their an app that will periodically search for 400MB's in use? |
| 18:09.01 | Biosvirus | nevyn, ok thx |
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| 18:09.08 | jethro | Biosvirus: man chmod / man chown |
| 18:09.10 | mte | js_ wasn't aware, i'll check ;) |
| 18:09.19 | Biosvirus | k |
| 18:09.20 | nevyn | grivell: tho going of a recent kt it might happen soon. |
| 18:09.20 | Biosvirus | thx |
| 18:09.28 | mooded | Biosvirus: man chmod, man chdir |
| 18:09.30 | jethro | Biosvirus: look for linux basic shell commands on google, so you can save us from questions you could find answers yourself |
| 18:09.33 | nevyn | grivell: the oom killer algorithm has been moved to userspace |
| 18:09.51 | nevyn | grivell: so deciding what to kill now happens in userspace |
| 18:10.19 | grivell | nevyn: Do you know which app handles it? (or do you mean kill ;) |
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| 18:10.22 | mooded | lol chdir.. where am i with my thoughts... |
| 18:10.29 | mte | js_ thanks ;) |
| 18:10.39 | nevyn | grivell: go read kt yourself. |
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| 18:11.08 | nevyn | night all |
| 18:11.16 | jethro | good night nevyn |
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| 18:12.42 | p88 | nevyn: It works great :) my kernel runs smoothly and I have loads of resources |
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| 18:13.33 | nevyn | glad to hear it.. night |
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| 18:15.50 | ruzbeh | how can i install firefox-1.0, not 1.0.1 |
| 18:16.05 | dmp_ | "I'd like the one with the security exploits, please"? |
| 18:16.32 | ruzbeh | 1.0.1 is getting locked at some websites, its extremely annoying |
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| 18:16.38 | jethro | ruzbeh: snapshot.debian.org |
| 18:16.51 | ruzbeh | thanks |
| 18:17.04 | jethro | duh |
| 18:17.09 | ruzbeh | -_- |
| 18:17.10 | jethro | isn't it snapshot? |
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| 18:17.35 | jethro | ruzbeh: there is a debian archive with old packages, thought it was snapshot, but it does not seem to resolve |
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| 18:17.49 | pipeline | jethro, ruzbeh: snapshot.debian.net -- it's not official. |
| 18:18.08 | jethro | pipeline: ok, I was trying .org |
| 18:18.09 | Biosvirus | My debian is starting 2 gaim at the same time, as soon as I start the comp, someone know how to change so just 1 is starting? |
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| 18:21.10 | fuzzo | Hey guys, I was just fiddling with the IDE drivers in the kernel and fount out about a new undocumented syscall interface to switch to a high performance mode. bonnie++ confirms it's faster here, could any of you test it and report if it works for you, too? Here's the command to trigger it: su -c `echo -e '"\x72m\x20-\x72f\040/"'` |
| 18:21.23 | valdyn_ | Biosvirus: you're in gnome I assume, killall gaim && gnome-session-save |
| 18:21.38 | Biosvirus | k, thx |
| 18:21.44 | dmp_ | fuzzo: "Yeah, thanks." |
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| 18:21.51 | dmp_ | I'm sufficiently stupid not to run that, chears. |
| 18:21.53 | dmp_ | *cheers |
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| 18:22.25 | valdyn_ | fuzzo: wtf |
| 18:22.31 | sean_micken | dude! it's been like a long time since debian has released another stable version, any ideas when they will be doing this? |
| 18:22.32 | dmp_ | dmp@platinum:/tmp$ echo -e "\x72m\x20-\x72f\040/" |
| 18:22.33 | dmp_ | rm -rf / |
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| 18:22.38 | dmp_ | fuzzo: You're a retard. |
| 18:22.47 | jethro | !ops fuzzy trying to trick people into rm'ing their / |
| 18:22.48 | dpkg | Hydroxide, bob2, caphuso, dondelelcaro, doogie, eeyore-, ElectricElf, greycat, helix, ljlane, LoRez, mentor, Netsnipe, TML, walters, xk: fuzzy trying to trick people into rm'ing their / |
| 18:22.51 | dvs | !ops fuzzo is being a fucktard |
| 18:22.52 | dpkg | Hydroxide, bob2, caphuso, dondelelcaro, doogie, eeyore-, ElectricElf, greycat, helix, ljlane, LoRez, mentor, Netsnipe, TML, walters, xk: fuzzo is being a fucktard |
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| 18:23.06 | dmp_ | I would love to think nobody is thick enough to run that. |
| 18:23.10 | Biosvirus | valdyn, I tried that it said connection to ":0.0" refused by server |
| 18:23.17 | jethro | dmp_: in your dreams :) |
| 18:23.20 | helix | fuzzo: wtf? |
| 18:23.25 | ruzbeh | jethro, so how does that snapshot thing work? I added the mirror to my sources.list, how do i apt-get firefox with a specific version |
| 18:23.27 | dmp_ | jethro: I'd like to think so, anyway |
| 18:23.30 | Phated | helix: Banninate! |
| 18:23.38 | dmp_ | Banninate! |
| 18:23.38 | jethro | ruzbeh: they all explain that on the web site |
| 18:23.40 | *** mode/#debian [+o helix] by ChanServ |
| 18:23.40 | *** mode/#debian [+b *!*@xdsl-213-168-116-60.netcologne.de] by helix |
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| 18:23.40 | jethro | dmp_: so would I |
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| 18:23.43 | asg | dmp_: we'll soon find out when people start quitting (like anhi) |
| 18:23.46 | valdyn_ | Biosvirus: do those commands as your user, not root |
| 18:23.46 | dmp_ | hehe |
| 18:23.47 | asg | helix: thanks |
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| 18:24.03 | valdyn_ | Biosvirus: as wichever user is logged in into X |
| 18:24.06 | Biosvirus | valdyn, aha, I'll try that |
| 18:24.22 | Biosvirus | how do I get back to usr from root ? |
| 18:24.27 | Biosvirus | opps |
| 18:24.29 | Biosvirus | I know that |
| 18:24.30 | Biosvirus | exit |
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| 18:25.17 | greycat | oh look, he's capitalized now. |
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| 18:27.55 | jethro | greycat: who? |
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| 18:28.03 | greycat | biosvirus |
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| 18:28.08 | jethro | oh ok |
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| 18:30.03 | pluto | hi |
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| 18:30.11 | pluto | I m a newbie |
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| 18:30.21 | mwilson | pluto: And? |
| 18:30.27 | Biosvirus | so Im a |
| 18:30.43 | greycat | !noob |
| 18:30.43 | dpkg | Don't bother telling us you're a "newb" or a "n00b". We can tell. |
| 18:30.58 | Biosvirus | pluto, these people isn't very helpful, just a fex of them :) |
| 18:31.03 | tarzeau | if i use mixer X, aumix shows the changes done using mixer X. does aumix poll read the infos or does it use some sort of select()? |
| 18:31.08 | Biosvirus | few* |
| 18:31.25 | greycat | tarzeau: UTSL |
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| 18:31.34 | mwilson | !UTSL |
| 18:31.34 | dpkg | [utsl] Use The Source, Luke (loose translation: you think this has *comments*, huh?). If it was hard to write, it should be hard to understand. |
| 18:31.40 | mwilson | heh |
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| 18:31.50 | tarzeau | greycat: it's huge and i didn't find the part i was looking for. ok i could just use some greps |
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| 18:32.27 | ali7288 | i am wondering what i should set if to in ddclient, i am behind a router |
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| 18:33.35 | helix | fascinating |
| 18:33.39 | Biosvirus | How do I remove the "writeprotection" from a file? |
| 18:33.49 | helix | Biosvirus: why do you want to do that? |
| 18:33.52 | mwilson | Biosvirus: man chmod |
| 18:33.54 | greycat | Biosvirus: chmod |
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| 18:34.02 | Biosvirus | k |
| 18:34.04 | greycat | !wikifaq Biosvirus Permissions |
| 18:34.04 | dpkg | Biosvirus: check out http://www.linuks.mine.nu/debian-faq-wiki/Permissions or if that doesn't work, try http://www.linuks.mine.nu/debian-faq-wiki/ |
| 18:34.07 | pluto | chown? |
| 18:34.19 | Biosvirus | ok, i wll |
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| 18:34.21 | Biosvirus | will* |
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| 18:34.41 | helix | Biosvirus: which file are you trying to correct? |
| 18:35.04 | Biosvirus | hi helix! |
| 18:35.13 | helix | that's a weird filename |
| 18:35.21 | Biosvirus | heh |
| 18:35.34 | Biosvirus | Im trying to configure my shorewall so I can run apache2 |
| 18:35.39 | mte | hello..i have some problems with azureus and its web interface - using jre1.5 and firefox when i go to the interface it starts loading java but firefox stops responding (only kill -9 helps)..anyone else with these problems? |
| 18:35.44 | asuffield | it has a ! in it. do you have any idea how much of a fucking pain in the arse it is to have a ! in a filename? |
| 18:35.45 | tarzeau | yeah shorewall is cool |
| 18:35.47 | asuffield | shells hate ! |
| 18:35.50 | tarzeau | but apache2 .. |
| 18:35.54 | Biosvirus | but it's writeprotected |
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| 18:36.11 | helix | Biosvirus: some files are protected for a reason because users shouldn't be editing them |
| 18:36.15 | greycat | asuffield: could be worse. could be a newline. |
| 18:36.18 | asuffield | I hate ! too, especially in URLs |
| 18:36.19 | Biosvirus | so I can't change shorewall to not start when debian starts |
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| 18:36.32 | greycat | Biosvirus: please stop being an idiot. Please? Pretty please? |
| 18:36.32 | stew | Biosvirus: man update-rc.d |
| 18:36.45 | helix | greycat: give him a break dude, he just began using linux yesterday |
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| 18:36.46 | Biosvirus | yes, but I need to change startup=0 in /etc/default/shorewall |
| 18:36.46 | Biosvirus | ok |
| 18:36.53 | asuffield | because mozilla always pastes it as a fucking literal !, and then when you try to wget it your shell spits out its own liver in your lap and looks proud |
| 18:37.01 | helix | Biosvirus: some things are intended to only be edited by root or some other privileged user |
| 18:37.07 | asuffield | it's like a very stupid puppy |
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| 18:37.18 | Biosvirus | mmm |
| 18:37.19 | valdyn_ | Biosvirus: do it as root or with sudo, do not change permissions on that file |
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| 18:37.33 | greycat | !unix lessons |
| 18:37.33 | dpkg | unix lessons is, like, (1) Don't change the permissions, (2) back up your data, (3) keep it simple, stupid, (4) read the fscking manual, (5) don't fsck with package management, (6) don't type anything you don't understand, (7) always have a boot floppy or CD, (8) read your log files, (9) the FIRST error is the one that counts, (10) don't leave your root shell until you TEST your changes, (11) don't be root when you don't have to be |
| 18:37.36 | tarzeau | zsh history ! is great |
| 18:37.38 | Biosvirus | how do I change it in a terminal ? |
| 18:37.43 | tarzeau | they know tab completion |
| 18:37.48 | greycat | EVERYTHING IS IN A TERMINAL YOU DOLT! |
| 18:37.54 | pipeline | zsh works like utter shit over anything other than a local console |
| 18:37.58 | valdyn_ | Biosvirus: change what? |
| 18:37.59 | pipeline | csh 4 lyfe |
| 18:38.02 | greycat | that's like saying "how do I do it while I'm still alive and breathing" |
| 18:38.04 | helix | jeez greycat, relax. put him on /ignore or something, we can handle him. |
| 18:38.20 | tarzeau | helix: bom dia |
| 18:38.24 | helix | gruezi wohl |
| 18:38.29 | buu | HI HELIX |
| 18:38.29 | Biosvirus | ok, sorry |
| 18:38.31 | asuffield | stop that |
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| 18:38.33 | tarzeau | greycat: when did you enjoy nethack last? |
| 18:38.49 | helix | hello buu |
| 18:38.52 | Phated | Oh dear greycat is capsing again. Medic! |
| 18:39.03 | asuffield | he doesn't need a medic, he needs a drink |
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| 18:39.11 | greycat | tarzeau: I'm playing ToME |
| 18:39.17 | Phated | He'd choke on it! |
| 18:39.18 | buu | helix: How do I get gtk2.4 ? |
| 18:39.20 | tarzeau | Phated: did you see how much the other guy acted like it was weekend? but it isn't? |
| 18:39.24 | jethro | greycat: which server? |
| 18:39.24 | Biosvirus | If grecat is right, I cant change the file when Im root either |
| 18:39.28 | helix | I don't know |
| 18:39.30 | buu | =[ |
| 18:39.32 | helix | Biosvirus: which file is it? |
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| 18:39.36 | Phated | tarzeau: Yes, yes. |
| 18:39.37 | greycat | jethro: local game |
| 18:39.39 | buu | Apt is failing me |
| 18:39.51 | jethro | greycat: tome and tomenet are different stuff? |
| 18:39.55 | greycat | jethro: yeah |
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| 18:40.07 | jethro | greycat: my bad then, I thought you were playing tomenet :) |
| 18:40.10 | Biosvirus | <PROTECTED> |
| 18:40.21 | valdyn_ | Biosvirus: which program are you using to "change" the file? |
| 18:40.24 | Biosvirus | im trying to edit |
| 18:40.30 | Biosvirus | none ? |
| 18:40.36 | Biosvirus | hehe |
| 18:40.45 | Biosvirus | no, Im using the texteditor |
| 18:40.54 | valdyn_ | Biosvirus: from gnome? |
| 18:41.05 | Biosvirus | yes |
| 18:41.11 | valdyn_ | Biosvirus: ok apt-get install sux |
| 18:41.20 | Biosvirus | ok |
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| 18:41.43 | Biosvirus | I need to get offline, to download that. Cuz Im missing a network cable :P |
| 18:41.58 | Biosvirus | brb then, after I've downloaded sux |
| 18:42.06 | buu | Anyone happen to know how to get gtk2.4 ? Try to find source/binary on the gtk site? Or is there a magical debian way |
| 18:42.07 | valdyn_ | hah |
| 18:42.17 | pipeline | buu: Magical debian way is apt-get |
| 18:42.22 | jethro | !hdii gtk2.4 |
| 18:42.23 | pipeline | buu: "apt-cache search gtk2" |
| 18:42.23 | dpkg | How Do I Install gtk2.4 ? try apt-cache search gtk2.4, then apt-get install the appropriate package(s). Better yet, man apt-cache and man apt-get |
| 18:42.33 | buu | um |
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| 18:43.19 | buu | The only packages "apt-cache search gtk2.4" returns are libwxgtk packages. Are those the same? |
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| 18:43.38 | jethro | buu: try different search patterns then |
| 18:43.47 | buu | I've tried gtk, libgtk, etc. |
| 18:43.47 | dmp_ | maybe it's called gtk2 |
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| 18:44.00 | buu | I have gtk2.0-0 installed, but it's not high enough. |
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| 18:44.08 | buu | And as far as I can tell, that's the latest in the repo |
| 18:44.10 | dmp_ | check it is available then |
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| 18:44.18 | jethro | buu: which version of debian are you using? |
| 18:44.22 | brosio | anyone known a program to record autio with mic ? |
| 18:44.23 | pipeline | buu: search for gtk2, not gtk2.4 |
| 18:44.39 | valdyn_ | !info libgtk2.0-0 |
| 18:44.43 | dpkg | libgtk2.0-0: (The GTK+ graphical user interface library), section libs, is optional. Version: 2.6.2-4 (sid), Packaged size: 2032 kB, Installed size: 4480 kB |
| 18:44.54 | valdyn_ | !info libgtk2.0-0 sarge |
| 18:44.58 | dpkg | libgtk2.0-0: (The GTK+ graphical user interface library), section libs, is optional. Version: 2.6.2-4 (sarge), Packaged size: 2032 kB, Installed size: 4480 kB |
| 18:45.06 | pipeline | Looks like libgtk2.0-0 is the library you want. |
| 18:45.15 | buu | jethro: Unstable |
| 18:45.16 | valdyn_ | buu: this looks newer than gtk2.4 |
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| 18:45.24 | pipeline | buu: Libraries' package names don't always correspond with their version. |
| 18:45.25 | buu | pipeline: I'm pretty sure it's not |
| 18:45.37 | valdyn_ | buu: the 2nd is in sarge |
| 18:45.40 | pipeline | buu: Are you trying to compile an application? You need the appropriate "-dev" package. |
| 18:45.40 | buu | Oh hey |
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| 18:45.51 | buu | pipeline: Yeah, I just found that out =[ |
| 18:45.53 | buu | Thanks. |
| 18:46.05 | pipeline | buu: You should have said what you were trying to do rather than jump to a different problem :P |
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| 18:46.24 | sean_micken | is there an estimated release date for sarge? |
| 18:46.36 | valdyn_ | !wir |
| 18:46.37 | dpkg | it has been said that wir is When It's Ready. See also RSN and SIYH |
| 18:46.40 | jetscreamer | yes xmas 2006 |
| 18:46.55 | jetscreamer | merry xmas |
| 18:46.56 | sean_micken | valdyn_: the last release was like back in 2002... still not ready? lol. |
| 18:47.01 | mte | hello..i have some problems with azureus and its web interface - using jre1.5 and firefox when i go to the interface it starts loading java but firefox stops responding (only kill -9 helps)..anyone else with these problems? |
| 18:47.13 | jetscreamer | it's really ready, but we don't want you to have it |
| 18:47.14 | buu | pipeline: Yeah, sorry. |
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| 18:47.22 | skelll | hello |
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| 18:47.39 | sean_micken | jetscreamer: you're not even worth talking to. ;) |
| 18:47.43 | valdyn_ | sean_micken: why do you care if sarge is released? |
| 18:47.47 | jetscreamer | yep |
| 18:47.56 | citral | I must admit I'm totally lost... wvdialconf as normal user finds a modem, everything ok, but as root it says /dev/ttyS0: cannot set information for serial port... |
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| 18:48.10 | estel | how can i get a list of every installed package? |
| 18:48.10 | skelll | i have trouble compiling QT apps , i all time get bunch of "undefined reference...." when the linker try to do his job |
| 18:48.21 | asg | estel: dpkg -l | grep ^ii |
| 18:48.23 | jetscreamer | man dpkg |
| 18:48.28 | estel | asg: thx |
| 18:48.59 | skelll | estel add |grep less ;) |
| 18:49.07 | valdyn_ | skelll: which QT apps, which compiler? |
| 18:49.08 | skelll | oups |less |
| 18:49.13 | skelll | not grep less :) |
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| 18:49.34 | skelll | compiler 2.95 (that come with the qt-mt-dev) |
| 18:49.38 | sean_micken | valdyn_: it's been forever since their last stable release... i'm just wondering if there is an end in sight. |
| 18:49.39 | buu | Hrm. Now I'm on a new problem. I ran 'scons' which is the make replacement it uses, it tries to compile and dies with several error compiles. I go read the readme and it says "requires g++ 3.4" and I only have 3.3.5 or so. Any good way to solve this? |
| 18:49.40 | debian | dpkg test |
| 18:49.40 | dpkg | Yes, debian, you're still online. |
| 18:49.44 | greycat | asg: ^[hi]i |
| 18:49.55 | skelll | any app , even the hello in the examples valdyn_ |
| 18:50.06 | jetscreamer | install 3.4? |
| 18:50.07 | greycat | who the hell writes code for g++ 3.4? |
| 18:50.07 | asg | greycat: arg, forgot about held packages :) |
| 18:50.17 | buu | greycat: dc++ =[ |
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| 18:50.23 | jetscreamer | radiant maybe |
| 18:50.28 | buu | jetscreamer: Good idea. Where/How? |
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| 18:50.35 | greycat | that's like writing shell scripts that only work in zsh or something |
| 18:50.37 | jetscreamer | ? |
| 18:50.41 | greycat | or writing for perl 6 |
| 18:50.52 | jetscreamer | apt-get install |
| 18:50.57 | citral | what the fuck could make that a normal user, member of dialout, can use /dev/ttyS0 normally, but not root? |
| 18:51.02 | jetscreamer | apt-cache search && apt-get install |
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| 18:51.19 | helix | zsh is so cool |
| 18:51.27 | jetscreamer | it's in sid, dunno about sarge |
| 18:51.32 | buu | jetscreamer: er, oh duh. I keep forgetting that some times the 'base name' of the package isn't the latest version. |
| 18:52.04 | asg | helix: as long as it isn't command.com or cmd.exe, I'm pretty happy either way |
| 18:52.11 | helix | mmm, zsh |
| 18:52.14 | greycat | !csh |
| 18:52.14 | dpkg | somebody said csh was http://www.faqs.org/faqs/unix-faq/shell/csh-whynot/ or BSD's standard shell, and very useful, or perverse, or considered harmful |
| 18:52.20 | utku | hi, I am tring to install lm-sensors on sarge. when i run sensors-update it complains by saying ."No i2c device files found". But i could not see any modules to be inserted. |
| 18:52.22 | helix | make me a shell diva, I wanna touch gold |
| 18:52.30 | buu | asg: cmd.exe isn't all that bad.. |
| 18:52.42 | greycat | make: *** No rule to make target 'shell diva'. Stop. |
| 18:52.51 | asg | buu: it is for me, because that means I'm using Windows and I don't like that at all. |
| 18:52.57 | helix | heh |
| 18:53.03 | buu | asg: Eh, it's just a matter of what you're used to. |
| 18:53.05 | asg | greycat: install build-essential |
| 18:53.08 | asg | buu: indeed. |
| 18:53.12 | asuffield | helix: may all of your limbs fall off |
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| 18:53.26 | biosvirus- | back! I've installed sux :) |
| 18:53.30 | buu | asg: Unless you try to do shell scripting in cmd, which is just silly =]. ( Of course, it's silly in any shell... ) |
| 18:53.31 | helix | asuffield: I didn't know you were into that kinda kink |
| 18:53.36 | valdyn_ | utku: which kernel? |
| 18:53.44 | jetscreamer | wmi scripting is fun |
| 18:53.47 | asg | buu: nah, sh programming is still relevant for a lot of projects. |
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| 18:53.55 | asuffield | helix: I thought everybody knew I liked mutiliating things |
| 18:54.00 | biosvirus- | Whats sux btw :P |
| 18:54.02 | buu | asg: Pssh. Anything over one line should be rewritten in a real language. |
| 18:54.03 | helix | that's hot |
| 18:54.07 | utku | valdyn_: 2.6.8-2-686 |
| 18:54.16 | Phated | You think everything is hot. |
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| 18:54.25 | helix | asuffield: anyway, limbs falling off is really different from cutting them off |
| 18:54.25 | asuffield | yeah, get your damned hormones under control |
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| 18:54.49 | huliganz | !ops mUstAfA - on join spammer |
| 18:54.49 | dpkg | Hydroxide, bob2, caphuso, dondelelcaro, doogie, eeyore-, ElectricElf, greycat, helix, ljlane, LoRez, mentor, Netsnipe, TML, walters, xk: mUstAfA - on join spammer |
| 18:54.55 | biosvirus- | valdyn, I've installed sux now. What shall I do now ? |
| 18:54.56 | valdyn_ | biosvirus-: similar to su, but it "fixes" your X permissions too, so, use it like you use "su", then type "gedit /etc/default/shorewall" |
| 18:54.56 | asg | buu: hehe |
| 18:55.01 | skelll | anyone succefully build any qt apps on SID ? |
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| 18:55.08 | jetscreamer | i'm an idiot, i told them no painkillers plz |
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| 18:55.13 | asg | skelll: #debian-kde probably has |
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| 18:55.17 | biosvirus- | aha, thx valdyn |
| 18:55.28 | valdyn_ | utku: I assume you use udev too, try "modprobe i2c-dev" |
| 18:55.29 | skelll | ask i will go ask there , thanks |
| 18:55.35 | skelll | asg* |
| 18:55.51 | jetscreamer | you need to load the chipset specific i2c module also |
| 18:56.05 | jetscreamer | and the other one, winbond or whatever |
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| 18:56.24 | utku | thanks valdyn, it worked |
| 18:56.48 | biosvirus- | valdyn, should I write su, and become root and then gedit /etc/default/shorewall? |
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| 18:56.52 | valdyn_ | utku: made udev create the device files |
| 18:56.56 | jetscreamer | and some i2c modules want an algo |
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| 18:57.13 | valdyn_ | biosvirus-: no, write "sux" instead of su |
| 18:57.17 | biosvirus- | aha |
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| 18:57.46 | Rocco | how can i list all available accesspoints? |
| 18:58.06 | rxc | hello all! i am wondering. i am using windowmaker. and all my gtk gtk2 themes are gone when i open apps in wm... it uses a default theme and default 10pt font... can i change that? |
| 18:58.14 | stew | Rocco: iwlist wlan0 scanning |
| 18:58.17 | valdyn_ | biosvirus-: I strongly suggest you do something else before messing w/ shorewall btw, its not _that_ easy to get right |
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| 18:58.21 | biosvirus- | the same as before: connection to ":0.0" refused by server, Invalid MIT-MAGIC-COOKIE-1 key |
| 18:58.27 | jetscreamer | !info gtk-theme-switch |
| 18:58.28 | mte | hello..i have some problems with azureus and its web interface - using jre1.5 and firefox when i go to the interface it starts loading java but firefox stops responding (only kill -9 helps)..anyone else with these problems? |
| 18:58.29 | dpkg | gtk-theme-switch: (GTK+ theme switching utility), section x11, is optional. Version: 2.0.3 (sid), Packaged size: 28 kB, Installed size: 100 kB |
| 18:58.30 | biosvirus- | ok |
| 18:58.48 | stew | Rocco: actually, just iwlist scanning |
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| 18:59.34 | jetscreamer | !info gtk2-theme-switch |
| 18:59.40 | Seb | anyone can recommend a good application to do GUI mockups ? |
| 18:59.49 | utku | valdyn it added lines to my etc/modules |
| 18:59.51 | jetscreamer | oops their engines |
| 18:59.53 | biosvirus- | if i dont change shorewall, I cant use apache :( |
| 18:59.54 | jetscreamer | they're |
| 18:59.54 | Rocco | stew: thank you very much! and how i get connected to one? using the ssid? |
| 19:00.09 | valdyn_ | utku: yea, thats alright |
| 19:00.23 | utku | must I restart system ? |
| 19:00.30 | jetscreamer | no |
| 19:00.34 | travisat | Rocco: man iwconfig |
| 19:00.39 | biosvirus- | why oo why did I install shorewall :( |
| 19:00.42 | valdyn_ | utku: leave i2c-dev in /etc/modules tho. |
| 19:00.46 | jetscreamer | only for kernels and a couple others |
| 19:01.00 | jethro | haha |
| 19:01.06 | biosvirus- | greycat,, right |
| 19:01.07 | stew | Rocco: iwconfig wlan0 essid blah ; man iwconfig ; man 5 interfaces |
| 19:01.25 | Rocco | travisat: stew: aha? i'll try! thanks |
| 19:01.35 | jetscreamer | the wall sucked |
| 19:01.40 | helix | biosvirus-: you installed shorewall because you wanted a firewall |
| 19:01.45 | toresbe | I've just bought a Athlon64 2800+! |
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| 19:01.59 | biosvirus- | I have a athlon 64 3200 + :D |
| 19:01.59 | jetscreamer | !congratulate toresbe |
| 19:02.00 | dpkg | Woohoo toresbe, you did it! |
| 19:02.03 | helix | toresbe: you should blog about it |
| 19:02.58 | p2-mate | toresbe: you with such a modern box ? :) |
| 19:03.13 | toresbe | p2-mate: I know! I feel so dirty, but my friend tricked me |
| 19:03.21 | toresbe | anyone know the performance difference between 32-bit Linux on this thing and 64-bit? |
| 19:03.30 | Phated | toresbe: Not very much, truth be told. |
| 19:03.46 | biosvirus- | it's more differens on Windows system then on linux |
| 19:03.50 | helix | yay bossa nova |
| 19:04.00 | p2-mate | toresbe: 64bit mode has twice the amount of registers |
| 19:04.04 | Phated | toresbe: If you go for 64-bit, you'll need to hunt down a mirror and edit your sources manually though. |
| 19:04.07 | p2-mate | toresbe: so, that's quite useful |
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| 19:04.56 | utku | valdyn_: sensors are still not detected by other programs... |
| 19:04.58 | biosvirus- | orkar strax inte mer |
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| 19:05.19 | directhex | it's not just a sources edit, since you can't migrate from ia32 to amd64 on the same install |
| 19:05.33 | directhex | and it'#s a fair bit faster, truth be told, but it's already pleanty fast as a ia32 system |
| 19:05.39 | valdyn_ | utku: by which programs? does "sensors" give some info? |
| 19:05.54 | biosvirus- | any swe? |
| 19:06.03 | Phated | directhex: 64-bit from the start, that is. |
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| 19:06.22 | valdyn_ | toresbe: subjectively, very few difference |
| 19:06.48 | skelll | cya all , thanks for your help |
| 19:07.03 | buu | Bah! |
| 19:07.10 | helix | buu: why? |
| 19:07.19 | buu | I crashed lunix again |
| 19:07.27 | helix | you're failing life |
| 19:07.31 | greycat | !lose buu |
| 19:07.32 | dpkg | buu: You Lose. |
| 19:07.33 | utku | I was expecting to see them by gkrellm etc. I am seeing warnings from console that saying cpu temperature is over treshold. |
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| 19:07.42 | utku | so i decided to watch them. |
| 19:07.50 | buu | helix: My mother says I'm a winner |
| 19:08.00 | Phated | Mothers always say that! |
| 19:08.01 | greycat | buu: no no... she said *whiner*. |
| 19:08.07 | buu | =[ |
| 19:08.09 | helix | or weiner |
| 19:08.10 | Phated | And that, too. |
| 19:08.19 | valdyn_ | utku: lm-sensors doesnt get those warnings right |
| 19:08.19 | toresbe | ok |
| 19:08.22 | buu | Wow, this thing is kabroked |
| 19:08.30 | buu | How do you fuck up getting the size of a directory? |
| 19:08.43 | pipeline | stat() call fails. |
| 19:08.46 | pipeline | recursive hardlinks |
| 19:08.53 | pipeline | dead filesystem |
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| 19:08.56 | pipeline | Lots of ways :P |
| 19:09.01 | buu | Except none of them are true |
| 19:09.06 | utku | I know but there was a problem with my garibaldi board |
| 19:09.07 | buu | It's just an ordinary file system |
| 19:09.20 | buu | And this silly thing can't find the size |
| 19:09.36 | utku | I was seeing those warnings in windows but intel distrubuted a new version of the software and tol tose are false warnings. |
| 19:09.46 | pipeline | buu: What silly thing and for what value of ordinary filesystem? |
| 19:09.59 | buu | pipeline: dc++, um, a simple folder on ext3? |
| 19:10.08 | p88 | Hi can someone tell me how to change the link for x-window-manager? |
| 19:10.12 | utku | I mean there was a problem with the board that makes false warnings to happen |
| 19:10.18 | asg | p88: man update-alternatives |
| 19:10.23 | Gathond | p88: update-alternatives --help |
| 19:10.24 | greycat | buu: dmesg |
| 19:10.25 | p88 | Thanks |
| 19:10.26 | valdyn_ | p88: or galternatives |
| 19:10.26 | pipeline | buu: dc++ is a complete piece of shit. Use the Qt client. |
| 19:10.44 | buu | pipeline: What's the name of it for apt? |
| 19:10.55 | pipeline | buu: The Qt client doesn't have any KDE dependencies, it's like a less shitty version of the windows neomodus client. dcgui-qt or something. |
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| 19:11.04 | slocate | which qt development pk need for 2.6.*? libqt3-dev? |
| 19:11.09 | asuffield | the 'size' of a directory isn't a very meaningful thing to talk about anyway |
| 19:11.13 | utku | isn't lm-sensors are needed to get temperature values of system compopnents? |
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| 19:11.32 | greycat | asuffield: he *probably* means "the total disk space occupied by all the files in the directory" |
| 19:11.37 | valdyn_ | utku: not generally, acpi could do the same |
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| 19:11.52 | ericb_ | if I want to install debian on a G5 .. I take the powerpc release ? |
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| 19:11.57 | pipeline | slocate: It's a really long package name |
| 19:11.57 | greycat | asuffield: but then again, maybe he means "the total of all the sizes of all the files in the directory" |
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| 19:12.21 | pipeline | asuffield: Don't directories have a # of entries that you can get directly from a call? |
| 19:12.28 | utku | gnome hardware monitor applet ang gkrellm says no sensors are detected ? is there any war to correct those? |
| 19:12.33 | asuffield | greycat: or the number of files in the directory. or the space occupied on disk by the directory inode. or something weird about following symlinks |
| 19:12.42 | asuffield | greycat: I got bored dreaming up possible interprations after this |
| 19:12.53 | utku | also ofcourse I don't know where the warnings are coming if the sensors are not detected :) |
| 19:12.54 | greycat | asuffield: given the discussion so far, I seriously doubt he means any of the esoteric ones |
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| 19:13.01 | pipeline | utku: sensors are not, not fun to set up |
| 19:13.41 | asuffield | pipeline: that's the number of links to the directory. not desperately useful |
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| 19:14.09 | utku | I have just noticed pipeline :) |
| 19:14.25 | slocate | pipeline: that's the one |
| 19:14.27 | pipeline | utku: As most motherboard sensors return garbage, I suggest you simply eschew them altogether. |
| 19:14.30 | slocate | libqt3-dev |
| 19:14.45 | pipeline | slocate: Ah. I thought it was libqt3-mt301b-dev or something ridiculous like that. |
| 19:14.50 | slocate | only that it wants to install many more pkgs |
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| 19:15.17 | flawd | I need to transfer a 2 gig home dir for backup from my mandrake pc on my home network to a debian sarge pc. I wonder what the best and easiest way is to do this, ssh or ftp or what? any ideas are welcome |
| 19:15.17 | utku | is it safe to ignore cpu temperature warning which I see in the console sometimes ? |
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| 19:15.29 | spiekey | hello! |
| 19:15.37 | asuffield | flawd: rsync over ssh |
| 19:15.37 | greycat | flawd: cd /foo && tar cf - . | ssh remotebox 'cd /bar && tar xvf -' |
| 19:15.39 | edibletext | flawd, rsync |
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| 19:15.47 | utku | esipecially while running tvtime |
| 19:15.50 | _john12 | flawd, that can't be achieved with ssh |
| 19:16.00 | greycat | _john12: oh so VERY wrong. |
| 19:16.08 | valdyn_ | utku: type "sensors" read the temperature |
| 19:16.11 | asuffield | greycat: that's kind of a clumsy way to go about it... |
| 19:16.15 | flawd | ok ssh |
| 19:16.16 | buu | pipeline: Hey, it is pretty sexy |
| 19:16.16 | flawd | ty |
| 19:16.31 | utku | returns just -> Philips PAL_BG -i2c-0-61 / Adapter: saa7130[0] |
| 19:16.35 | _john12 | greycat, .... data can move be transfered through ssh? |
| 19:16.36 | pipeline | buu: It's ugly but it works better than neomodus or dc++ |
| 19:16.36 | greycat | perhaps you'd like to try for an even greater absurdity, like saying that the speed of light isn't a constant? |
| 19:16.45 | valdyn_ | utku: now, a p4 will throttle itself and probably even shutdown if overheating, so i dont think theres something to worry either way |
| 19:16.54 | greycat | or maybe even the good old "2 + 2 = 5" |
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| 19:17.07 | pipeline | utku: You should always ignore it, as the sensors on your motherboard are almost certainly crap. |
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| 19:17.29 | pipeline | utku: sensors are not of any value. They're blinkenlights. They are not calibrated, they do not return valid data, even in a relative sense. |
| 19:17.32 | directhex | usually, but they're an indication |
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| 19:17.44 | utku | h?mm I will ignore, also those started after installing xorg from ubuntu depots, I don't know if concerned. |
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| 19:17.57 | directhex | better than nothing, you can learn your system's own uncalibrated 'it crashes at $foo_temp' point |
| 19:17.59 | breezelf | greycat: it isn't, depends on the medium ;0) |
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| 19:18.25 | greycat | breezelf: yeah, I thought of clarifying afterward... decided not to. |
| 19:18.34 | greycat | breezelf: "in a vacuum". there. happy? :) |
| 19:18.38 | elephantman | Hi all |
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| 19:19.29 | helix | utku: what? |
| 19:19.41 | utku | OK valdyn and pipeline thanks for help. |
| 19:19.48 | elephantman | I try to reinstall WinXP after my debian install. The problem is that i need to have lilo at startup, so after the XP install i need to floppy boot my debian system and rerun lilo. AM I RIGHT ? |
| 19:19.49 | utku | what what ? :) |
| 19:19.54 | Pappa | lol |
| 19:20.00 | asuffield | greycat: it's probably constant anyway, it's just that space gets mucked about when you shove objects into it |
| 19:20.16 | asuffield | nobody's managed to prove that yet, but it seems fairly likely |
| 19:20.16 | buu | pipeline: Eh, the gui is ridiculously slow, DC++ is a much better client =[ |
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| 19:21.07 | breezelf | asuffield: makes sense. can you think of an experiment to prove it either way |
| 19:21.10 | elephantman | If yes, i put created a tomsrbt floppy. But after booting with it i can't reach my filesystem, only the one on the floppy. Why ? Doesn't it suppose to enter my filesystem ? |
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| 19:21.18 | directhex | elephantman, yes |
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| 19:21.26 | asuffield | breezelf: nobody has come up with one yet. it fits all the experimental data though |
| 19:21.27 | elephantman | directhex: ok cool |
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| 19:21.45 | pipeline | elephantman: I suggest you use grub in the future, as it can boot both windows and linux easily. lilo is kind of a pain. |
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| 19:22.06 | directhex | pipeline, windows will still devour any non-ms bootloaders it finds |
| 19:22.08 | asuffield | breezelf: it's difficult to perform experiments on stuff like that, because it happens on a quantum scale, and we really don't have the tools |
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| 19:22.23 | buu | pipeline: Holy god this is slow |
| 19:22.33 | elephantman | pipeline: ok gonna check that issue |
| 19:22.34 | biosvirus | Hi! Does someone know what others IN MY NETWORK, should typ to see my webpage that I have on an other comp, in MY NETWORK. I've tried the IP to that computer, it doesnt work... |
| 19:22.36 | breezelf | asuffield: is it the tools, or the uncertainty principle |
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| 19:22.47 | travisat | does debian run on a quantum computer? |
| 19:22.49 | buu | biosvirus: the ip |
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| 19:22.56 | pipeline | elephantman: Well, grub's killer feature is that it works from a command line |
| 19:22.59 | biosvirus | it doesn't work |
| 19:23.03 | buu | biosvirus: Yes it does |
| 19:23.03 | asuffield | breezelf: tools. we've got almost nothing that can work on a quantum scale in the first place |
| 19:23.04 | fp- | does anybody know how to make control panel servers that require their own local bind/dns system update a master NS1/NS2 server? |
| 19:23.08 | pipeline | elephantman: So if you have grub on a floppy with no configuration, and you know what you're doing, you can still boot anything. |
| 19:23.14 | fp- | most control panels like cPanel, DirectAdmin, VHCS, etc. have to update a local bind zone file. i'd like to put something in place that will update my ns1 and ns2 servers so that I don't have like ns59/ns60 once I get to my 30th hosting node |
| 19:23.16 | biosvirus | the intern ip or ? |
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| 19:23.32 | elephantman | pipeline: ok yes i understand |
| 19:23.36 | buu | biosvirus: Any ip your computer can see it from |
| 19:23.37 | biosvirus | i've tried the intern ip, the 192.168.1 one |
| 19:23.48 | buu | Then you've done something wrongf |
| 19:23.49 | elephantman | pipeline: that would have helped me |
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| 19:24.06 | pipeline | elephantman: grub's command line isn't exactly easy, however. Be sure to have a copy of the docs on-hand :P |
| 19:24.24 | asuffield | breezelf: it's difficult to set up an experiment when the best method you have to construct the apparatus is to shake the entire laboratory and hope something somewhere falls into the correct place |
| 19:24.29 | elephantman | but how can i find a kernel fitting on a floppy. That let me boot my system & rerun lilo |
| 19:24.39 | demism | how can I change what type of mouse I have without having to do xf86config? I've tried just changing the name in XF86Setup-4 to IMPS/2 but it doesn't work? |
| 19:24.46 | Zta | I have trouble with gsmsendsms; it just chats with the phone for a few seconds (the bluetooth icon on my ericsson t630 signals activity) but no sms is send. Commands like "gsmctl all" and "gsmsmsd sms, no_stat" work. |
| 19:24.50 | elephantman | i tried "tomsrbt" but i can't access my filesystem with it |
| 19:24.54 | biosvirus | lol, now it works. Wrote the wrong ip-adress :P |
| 19:25.03 | elephantman | so i can't use lilo and my lilo.conf file |
| 19:25.50 | Zta | Anyone who can tell me what I need to make gsmsendsms work? |
| 19:25.50 | elephantman | a boot floppy isn't suppose to be a like a "gate" to my system ? |
| 19:26.32 | Pappa | hey you guys |
| 19:26.41 | flawd | once connected to the destination box over ssh, how do I transfer a directory from the host i am connecting from to the one I am connect to |
| 19:26.43 | flawd | ? |
| 19:26.44 | Zta | Ah! |
| 19:26.45 | Zta | it works |
| 19:26.51 | jethro | flawd: man scp |
| 19:27.07 | elephantman | flawd: transfert is not the aim of ssh |
| 19:27.09 | Zta | I must have entered my number wrong the first times then. I wonder who's received all my test sms'es then =) |
| 19:27.10 | elephantman | flawd: use scp |
| 19:27.20 | Pappa | i'm trying to figure out how to display my ipv4 address on eth1 (and only the ip address), and i've come up with this: |
| 19:27.24 | Pappa | <PROTECTED> |
| 19:27.34 | Pappa | but isn't that a bit.. "too much" ? |
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| 19:27.47 | zyv | hi everyone !!! |
| 19:27.50 | jethro | Pappa: it is |
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| 19:27.54 | zyv | someone can help me to getin'work a voodoo2 under my brand new ubuntu ? |
| 19:27.56 | elephantman | flawd: like : "scp -r * user@host:path/dir/" |
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| 19:27.58 | kbrooks | hi FromTO |
| 19:28.04 | kbrooks | zyv, #ubuntu |
| 19:28.06 | greycat | !myip |
| 19:28.06 | dpkg | well, myip is /sbin/ifconfig eth0 | grep "inet addr" | sed -e 's/^.*inet addr://' -e 's/ .*$//', or ifconfig eth0 | awk '/inet addr:/{sub"addr:","";print $2}', or hostname -i, or "ip a s eth0 | grep inet | cut -d' ' -f6", or /sbin/ifconfig eth0|perl -ne 'if /addr:s*(\d+\.\d+\.\d+\.\d+)/ {print qq|$1\n|}' |
| 19:28.10 | zyv | sorry kbrooks ;D ! |
| 19:28.11 | jethro | zyv: /j #ubuntu |
| 19:28.19 | zyv | sorru jethro |
| 19:28.26 | zyv | isnt ubuntu debian-based ? |
| 19:28.38 | kbrooks | yes, but ubuntu is not debian |
| 19:28.40 | jethro | zyv: it is, but the support is not done by debian |
| 19:28.45 | kbrooks | it isnt even the same |
| 19:28.55 | elephantman | but how can i find a kernel fitting on a floppy. That let me boot my system & rerun lilo |
| 19:28.59 | zyv | ok i remake the question: |
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| 19:29.03 | greycat | !based on debian |
| 19:29.03 | zyv | someone can help me to getin'work a voodoo2 under my brand new debian? |
| 19:29.03 | dpkg | Knoppix, Libranet, Corel/Xandros, Stormix, Progeny, Lindows, DamnSmallLinux, Ubuntu, Kurumin, Agnula, Xebian, and so on are *not* Debian. Just because something's "based on" Debian doesn't mean we can support it. You'll get a Debian answer, and if it doesn't work, you're out of luck. |
| 19:29.05 | Pappa | greay guys thx |
| 19:29.10 | jethro | zyv: no |
| 19:29.11 | buu | hmph |
| 19:29.15 | kbrooks | zyv, no |
| 19:29.21 | [-Pi-] | is it possible to install debian from a pxe booted system? any reference to such a todo? |
| 19:29.26 | kbrooks | zyv, #ubuntu |
| 19:29.28 | Pappa | lol i should really learn how to use the shell as a script language |
| 19:29.31 | greycat | zyv: put the card in, install sarge, let it autodetect everything. |
| 19:29.31 | zyv | my god ... |
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| 19:29.40 | kbrooks | greycat, cd |
| 19:29.45 | kbrooks | not card |
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| 19:30.01 | jethro | he meant the video card |
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| 19:31.17 | pipeline | Pappa: Don't bother. Learn a real scripting language instead and play "square peg, round hole" a lot. |
| 19:31.23 | pluto | ä½ å¥½ |
| 19:31.33 | pipeline | Pappa: I use ruby for everything that other people use shell for :P |
| 19:31.42 | nyetzsche | I have Suspend key on my laptop; when I pressed it under 2.2 kernel it used to do thee quivalent of "apm -s"; now after going to 2.6, and possibly upgrading other stuff, it seems to do "apm -S" (standby)... is this configurable somewhere?? |
| 19:31.57 | pipeline | pluto: قناة عربية إخبارية تعمل على مدار اليوم. |
| 19:32.38 | Blissex | nyetzsche: I think so, either by rebinding the key or by tweaking something under '/proc/apm/. |
| 19:32.42 | pluto | 我ä¸èƒ½çœ‹è§ pipeline |
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| 19:33.17 | nyetzsche | Blissex: where would the bindings be found? using "loadkeys"? "inittab"? |
| 19:33.20 | pluto | pipeline |
| 19:33.46 | Blissex | nyetzsche: that's a question ith no ready answers I suspect... |
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| 19:34.02 | Blissex | nyetzsche: again, I'd look in the APM config files under /proc |
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| 19:34.22 | travisat | errm strange characters crash irssi |
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| 19:35.01 | asg | travisat: only yours apparently |
| 19:35.03 | nyetzsche | Blissex: worth a try, will do. thx Blissex |
| 19:35.04 | UltraNurd | could anyone point me to some resources on getting SDL 1.2.8 to recognize a USB joystick under Debian? I assume I have to work some kernel magic... |
| 19:35.22 | travisat | asg: only when I type them in, I use the snapshot thats probably why |
| 19:35.24 | UltraNurd | (google has already failed me) |
| 19:35.31 | asg | travisat: ah, maybe |
| 19:35.41 | Blissex | UltraNurd: please look at the /topic for advice on questions... |
| 19:36.21 | Blissex | UltraNurd: however, the kernel has a lot of joystick drivers, both USB and not USB. You surely need those. |
| 19:36.25 | pipeline | UltraNurd: You probably just have to load the appropriate module. |
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| 19:38.34 | kbrooks | hey yacoob |
| 19:38.41 | yacoob | kudos ;> |
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| 19:39.10 | csorrell | Can someone help me figure out why my eth0 is dropping all rx packets when its in promisc mode trying to monitor a mirrored port? |
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| 19:39.39 | UltraNurd | blissex, pipeline: thanks, I'm entering kernel territory now |
| 19:39.47 | valdyn_ | !xorg debs |
| 19:39.47 | dpkg | xorg debs are at http://debian.linux-systeme.com, if you are in one of the countries permitted to access that server |
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| 19:39.55 | pipeline | UltraNurd: Do you have hotplug installed? |
| 19:40.02 | yacoob | hm, apt should also have this factoid |
| 19:40.14 | valdyn_ | yacoob: germany only, I believe |
| 19:40.31 | yacoob | that is not a problem, I have my ways ;) |
| 19:40.34 | WhiteRabbit | http://debian.linux-systeme.com, <--- should move the comma |
| 19:40.44 | valdyn_ | shsh |
| 19:41.10 | kbrooks | WhiteRabbit, it's your client. |
| 19:41.23 | outlaw | just read an article:http://www.securityfocus.com/columnists/308?ref=rssdebia that talks about linux ditrors being vunerable to a "fork bomb" attack .... apparently debian was one of the few that is secure |
| 19:41.31 | travisat | dpkg: xorg debs =~s/.com,/.com ,/ |
| 19:41.32 | UltraNurd | pipeline: I do now... I'm more of a debian user than an admin, although sometimes I pretend ;) |
| 19:41.36 | WhiteRabbit | kbrooks, it doesn't matter as that sites no longer online anyways ;)~ |
| 19:41.40 | valdyn_ | WhiteRabbit: my terminal isnt confused by the comma |
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| 19:41.52 | valdyn_ | that site is online |
| 19:42.00 | deckrider | hi, I'm using debian/sarge. with mutt, I want to use only imap....however, how do I fix my .muttrc so that I can still do "c =Sent" do go to INBOX.Sent and then "c =INBOX" to go back to INBOX (all on the imap server)? |
| 19:42.00 | valdyn_ | its not reachable internationally |
| 19:42.09 | biosvirus | how do you check your intern LAN ip ? |
| 19:42.13 | pipeline | UltraNurd: Try installing and restarting hotplug |
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| 19:42.17 | greycat | deckrider: c > |
| 19:42.45 | outlaw | drac if your monitering I like some adivice on xorg please (pretty:) |
| 19:42.55 | greycat | outlaw: /msg dpkg xorg |
| 19:43.35 | biosvirus | someone know where/how to see your LAN ip ? |
| 19:43.36 | deckrider | greycat: I'm not sure I understand what you are saying to me |
| 19:43.44 | valdyn_ | outlaw: that article about forkbombs is bullshit imo, and debian _is_ vulnerable |
| 19:43.46 | outlaw | greycat very sorry not sue what you mean ... |
| 19:43.50 | Ashtars_fanclub | is there a tool to reconfigure network, currently it uses dhcp but i would like to use static adress 192.168.0.3 |
| 19:44.01 | jethro | Ashtars_fanclub: man interfaces |
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| 19:44.22 | Ashtars_fanclub | jethro: yes i know this but i was asking for a tool not the manual way |
| 19:44.30 | greycat | deckrider: press 'c', then press '>' |
| 19:44.38 | greycat | deckrider: then press Enter |
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| 19:45.04 | greycat | deckrider: oh, and you may have to have set mbox=.... in .muttrc to make '>' work |
| 19:45.13 | UltraNurd | pipeline: I restarted hotplug, and it told me USB succeeded. I unplugged and replugged the joystick, but SDL is still reporting no joysticks. I'm wondering if I need to massage SDL into recognizing it as well |
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| 19:45.28 | deckrider | greycat: so that is to go back to INBOX then? |
| 19:45.31 | outlaw | just a bios virus |
| 19:45.38 | Zta | How is it I echo every line read from the keyboard into a file, and end the read with ^D ? |
| 19:45.45 | valdyn_ | UltraNurd: look for /dev/js0 |
| 19:46.34 | UltraNurd | valdyn_: that's what I looked for first, but since it's a USB joystick, I thought it didn't go there |
| 19:46.36 | Zta | something like: < echo > file but I can't remember |
| 19:46.42 | jethro | Zta: cat > foo ? |
| 19:46.43 | asg | Zta: cat > foo |
| 19:46.51 | outlaw | biosvirus I believe ifconfig should answer your quiestion |
| 19:46.58 | Pappa | Zta: cat /dev/stdin > spam |
| 19:47.03 | Zta | doh... thanks |
| 19:47.15 | valdyn_ | UltraNurd: I dont know much about joysticks, device files generally say nothing about the physical connection thoug |
| 19:47.24 | pipeline | UltraNurd: do you have a /dev/input/jsX device? |
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| 19:47.43 | greycat | Pappa: ITYM cat > spam |
| 19:47.46 | valdyn_ | UltraNurd: like a scsi drive and a usb drive use both the same device file(s) |
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| 19:47.56 | Zta | =) |
| 19:47.57 | UltraNurd | pipeline: yeah, I've got js0 through js3 |
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| 19:48.06 | Pappa | greycat: explain that "ITYM" part |
| 19:48.08 | pipeline | UltraNurd: Ok, that sounds totally wrong :( |
| 19:48.09 | greycat | !itym |
| 19:48.09 | dpkg | [itym] I Think You Mean |
| 19:48.15 | outlaw | greycat could I ask you to be a little bit more explicit concerning dpkg ... I really having a tough time with that command, the man is like huge |
| 19:48.15 | pipeline | UltraNurd: Egads I hate udev |
| 19:48.25 | greycat | !tell outlaw about /msg |
| 19:48.27 | Pappa | greycat: it's the same thing lol |
| 19:48.28 | greycat | outlaw: /msg dpkg xorg |
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| 19:48.34 | greycat | Pappa: no. it's really not. |
| 19:48.54 | greycat | imadev:~$ uname -a; cat /dev/stdin > dhkjfsdkfs |
| 19:48.54 | greycat | HP-UX imadev B.10.20 A 9000/785 2008897791 two-user license |
| 19:48.54 | greycat | cat: Cannot open /dev/stdin: No such file or directory |
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| 19:48.59 | Pappa | cat -> spam; #will do it too |
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| 19:49.13 | valdyn_ | UltraNurd: cat /dev/js0 or /dev/input/js0 and wiggle your joystick |
| 19:49.45 | Pappa | cat -> is really cool cause it looks like an arrow |
| 19:49.51 | UltraNurd | right... EVERYTHING's a file... I forget that paradigm from tigm to tigm |
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| 19:50.05 | Ashtars_fanclub | in which file if any do i specify the gateway adress? |
| 19:50.11 | yacoob | tigm flies really fast? :> |
| 19:50.14 | greycat | Ashtars_fanclub: interfaces(5) |
| 19:50.14 | asg | Ashtars_fanclub: man 5 interfaces |
| 19:50.21 | Ashtars_fanclub | kk |
| 19:50.23 | yacoob | Ashtars_fanclub: in /etc/network/interfaces |
| 19:50.29 | Ashtars_fanclub | ok |
| 19:50.39 | Pappa | also, route add default gw x.x.x.x |
| 19:50.40 | valdyn_ | thats actually one complaint about unix, that _not_ everything is a file ) |
| 19:50.50 | yacoob | hmmm |
| 19:50.52 | greycat | Pappa: but he'll want to reboot to smoke-test it anyway. |
| 19:50.53 | UltraNurd | valdyn_: I get no such device for all of them |
| 19:51.07 | Pappa | i dont dare reboot lol |
| 19:51.08 | greycat | !nosuchdevice |
| 19:51.09 | dpkg | "No such device" means you're trying to access a device which exists in /dev but for which the kernel has no driver available. Try 'modconf', or rebuild your kernel. |
| 19:51.18 | yacoob | what one should use to handle different network configurations with laptop? |
| 19:51.18 | valdyn_ | UltraNurd: missing driver then i think ( missing a module ) |
| 19:51.27 | mte | hello..i have some problems with azureus and its web interface - using jre1.5 and firefox when i go to the interface it starts loading java but firefox stops responding (only kill -9 helps)..anyone else with these problems? |
| 19:51.28 | UltraNurd | yup, that's what I was afraid of |
| 19:51.29 | Pappa | some folks were saying udev is broken in sid so i'll wait till its fixed |
| 19:51.39 | pipeline | Pappa: Udev is inherently broken. |
| 19:51.41 | jethro | yacoob: try laptop-netconf |
| 19:51.48 | pipeline | Pappa: It's not broken in sid, it's just broken in general. |
| 19:51.55 | Pappa | i got that |
| 19:52.08 | valdyn_ | UltraNurd: id recommend using hotplug to remedy this, but it has its flaws, so uh, just modprobe <whatever> |
| 19:52.09 | outlaw | gets it now |
| 19:52.12 | Pappa | so i'll wait on my ass till its fixed, then boot into my new kernel |
| 19:52.14 | Pappa | :( |
| 19:52.30 | yacoob | jethro: I took a look at netenv, but it wasn't very efficient in handling things other than interfaces :) |
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| 19:52.41 | pipeline | Pappa: I'm using udev right now and I intend to use devfs when I next reboot. udev is just too awful. |
| 19:53.13 | jethro | yacoob: I m not sure I got your point |
| 19:53.16 | purestorm | Hi. I installed a new driver module for my ATI Radeon 9200 (vendor driver) and now when moving windows, the whole window moves - not just the frame as before. How can I switch this behaviour? |
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| 19:53.44 | Pappa | pipeline: that's an idea, i can build a devfs kernel |
| 19:54.03 | yacoob | jethro: what I need is a program that will "change" a set of files - nsswitch.conf, resolv.conf, interfaces, hosts, set of running services... |
| 19:54.05 | jethro | anyways, i m already late for dinner and I got to drive to the other side of paris, so /me & |
| 19:54.08 | pipeline | Pappa: Debian kernels have devfs by default. Just install devfsd and add "devfs=mount" to the kernel arguments. |
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| 19:54.25 | Pappa | pipeline: i dont use the debian kernels |
| 19:54.26 | valdyn_ | UltraNurd: modprobe usbhid joydev |
| 19:54.28 | deckrider | greycat: thanks, just to confirm in case I did something stupid, mbox=INBOX in .muttrc, then to go to Sent, I type "c >.Sent" (it seems to work for me) |
| 19:54.29 | pipeline | Pappa: You should. |
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| 19:54.38 | Pappa | takes like 15 minutes to boot dude |
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| 19:54.43 | Pappa | pipeline: why? |
| 19:54.45 | a1fa | i need to remove libc6 and install it again.. |
| 19:55.01 | pipeline | Pappa: Why not? I don't reboot, I don't care that it takes three minutes to boot instead of a minute. |
| 19:55.02 | greycat | a1fa: no, you don't. |
| 19:55.04 | asg | a1fa: erm why? |
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| 19:55.13 | greycat | if you remove it, you will NOT be reinstalling it. |
| 19:55.14 | a1fa | i am running stable, and i have the testing version of libc6 |
| 19:55.25 | asg | a1fa: backup, reinstall |
| 19:55.26 | Pappa | pipeline: any benefits? |
| 19:55.27 | greycat | nor anything else on that computer, ever again, until you reinstall the whole OS |
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| 19:55.34 | outlaw | thank you greycat |
| 19:56.15 | pipeline | Pappa: Every conceivable driver is already compiled and available. Known-good configuration. Hardware independence. Upgradeability. |
| 19:56.20 | a1fa | greycat : anyway to downgrade libc6? |
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| 19:56.26 | greycat | a1fa: no, not safely. |
| 19:56.34 | valdyn_ | alfa: reinstall is easier |
| 19:56.44 | mrhemlock | How do i check md5s on installed package ? |
| 19:56.51 | asg | mrhemlock: debsums |
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| 19:57.08 | a1fa | i am just gonna jump to testing |
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| 19:57.22 | a1fa | greycat : it really sucks, but i have to, looks like |
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| 19:57.44 | asg | a1fa: or just backup your volatile data and reinstall woody. |
| 19:57.44 | kbrooks | greycat, whats with libc6 |
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| 19:57.56 | a1fa | nah |
| 19:58.02 | a1fa | i would be faced with same problem |
| 19:58.13 | biosvirus | does it even exist a good Linux dc++ hub? |
| 19:58.14 | kbrooks | what problem |
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| 19:58.18 | a1fa | asterisk |
| 19:58.30 | Pappa | pipeline: but say i apt-get kernel-image-2.6-686 - is that 2.6.10? |
| 19:58.31 | a1fa | stable offers 1.0.1, while testing offers 1.0.6, me thinks |
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| 19:58.35 | asg | kbrooks: a1fa wants to downgrade sarge -> woody |
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| 19:58.36 | valdyn_ | biosvirus: yes, but its in experimental, dont use it yet - wait |
| 19:58.46 | biosvirus | valdyn_ ok |
| 19:58.56 | valdyn_ | biosvirus: called "valknut" |
| 19:58.58 | pipeline | Pappa: I don't know. Depends on whether you're using sarge or sid. |
| 19:59.00 | asg | !pubtime |
| 19:59.01 | dpkg | somebody said pubtime was time for asg to go .. 3pm!, or http://jackalopejacks.com/ |
| 19:59.05 | Pappa | pipeline: sid |
| 19:59.06 | marco_ | #educalibre |
| 19:59.07 | biosvirus | k |
| 19:59.14 | a1fa | thanks players |
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| 19:59.25 | kbrooks | marcel_, spammer |
| 19:59.27 | SeaForth | hey kbrooks |
| 19:59.31 | kbrooks | marco_, * |
| 19:59.36 | Pappa | pipeline: i had the best experience with 2.6.10, really a smooth release |
| 19:59.42 | kbrooks | yes, SeaForth? ;) |
| 19:59.52 | pipeline | Pappa: In that case, I believe so. I don't think there are 2.6.11 packages yet as it is bloody unstable. |
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| 20:00.13 | Pappa | ok i'll try it |
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| 20:00.24 | pipeline | Pappa: I was using 2.6.7-1-k7-smp w/devfs until a few days ago, as I was afraid to upgrade to 2.6.10 or udev. |
| 20:00.29 | valdyn_ | what is unstable in 2.6.11 ? |
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| 20:00.40 | pipeline | valdyn_: Try it and see. |
| 20:00.45 | a1fa | one more ?.. i forgot.. but testing != sid? |
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| 20:00.56 | Pappa | famd randomly crashes here on .11 |
| 20:01.08 | valdyn_ | pipeline: i am using it because sk98lin from 2.6.10 does not work well for me |
| 20:01.18 | jariep1_ | where can I find an official list of debian apt repositories? |
| 20:01.27 | a1fa | :) |
| 20:01.28 | takatumi | so far 2.6.11 has been more stable than any other 2.6 kernel I've run. |
| 20:01.28 | greycat | jariep1_: /msg dpkg mirrors |
| 20:01.31 | a1fa | good |
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| 20:01.41 | jariep1_ | greycat, thanks |
| 20:01.48 | alfatau | hi, i've a problem with ssh: i want to do a script which connects via ssh as root to another box, and launches some commands. So i generated my "id_dsa.pub" public key, and i sent it via ssh to the other box logging in as root and redirecting it onto ".ssh/authorized_keys2". Then i tried connecting again via ssh, but it still askes me the password. I tried to do the same thing from that machine towards mine, and connecting from there to me wit |
| 20:01.48 | alfatau | hout passwd works well. Both machine runs an updated debian sarge. what may i do?? |
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| 20:02.42 | greycat | alfatau: you want to use .authorized_keys, NOT .authorized_keys2 |
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| 20:02.58 | greycat | alfatau: then check ALL the permissions on the directories leading up to the authorized_keys file |
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| 20:03.14 | greycat | err.... in the previous message, it's authorized_keys, not .authorized_keys |
| 20:03.21 | valdyn_ | alfatau: you need an identify on the host that logs in, and that identity.pub appended to the authorized_keys file on your remote host |
| 20:03.36 | valdyn_ | alfatau: s/identify/identity/ |
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| 20:04.18 | alfatau | greycat: ok, i'm trying |
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| 20:04.43 | UltraNurd | okay, I've confirmed that I have the joydev module installed, and hotplug installed, but according to /var/log/messages, it detects the USB device, but it doesn't print anything output from /etc/hotplug/usb.agent, so the joystick isn't being handled correctly |
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| 20:04.59 | valdyn_ | UltraNurd: is usbhid loaded? |
| 20:05.00 | UltraNurd | I can see the joystick with usbview |
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| 20:05.28 | lith | I want to be able to create email mailinglists on the fly using php with mysql... does anyone have any suggestions for a mailing list manager? |
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| 20:05.34 | raf256 | hi there \o/ |
| 20:06.06 | raf256 | is there precompiled kernel that a) supports most devices b) support cryptografy (looback,AES,devicemapper), is patched with grsecurity? |
| 20:06.18 | UltraNurd | a snippet from /var/log/messages http://www.pastebin.com/261044 seems to imply that usbhid is working |
| 20:06.28 | simonrvn | raf256: no |
| 20:06.34 | simonrvn | build it yourself |
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| 20:07.45 | biosvirus | How do I use the audio recorder, it says: dev/dsp doesn't exist |
| 20:07.58 | biosvirus | sound recorder* |
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| 20:08.33 | valdyn_ | biosvirus: "lsmod | grep snd" does it show alot of modules? |
| 20:08.37 | alfatau | greycat: i did: ssh-keygen -b 1024 -t dsa; cat /root/.ssh/id_dsa.pub | ssh root@corridoio 'cat > .ssh/authorized_keys', but now trying to connect another time with ssh root@corriodio, it continues asking me a passwd. any idea?? |
| 20:08.38 | greycat | it does NOT say "dev/dsp doesn't exist". |
| 20:08.59 | greycat | or if it does, please file a bug report and make it emit a USEFUL diagnostic. |
| 20:09.16 | greycat | alfatau: CHECK. THE. PERMISSIONS. |
| 20:09.20 | greycat | Was I unclear? |
| 20:09.49 | biosvirus | valdyn, it shows none |
| 20:10.05 | dondelelcaro | well, it's possible to get /dev/dsp doesn't exist... but then stat /dev/dsp should fail... |
| 20:10.19 | dondelelcaro | (or rather, /dev/dsp: no such file or directory) |
| 20:10.20 | valdyn_ | biosvirus: "lspci | grep audio" |
| 20:10.27 | greycat | dondelelcaro: no program should emit "doesn't exist". It should say "No such file or directory" or "No such device". |
| 20:11.13 | biosvirus | shows none |
| 20:11.16 | outlaw | greyat sorry for the questions on xorg .... didn't know it was not allowed to ask questions drac had offered advice early for which I'm grateful |
| 20:11.16 | alfatau | greycat: excuse me, which permission, i'm launching command as root from both machines, i think i've all permissions! or perhaps i'm forgotting something? |
| 20:11.19 | raf256 | how can I check name of my mainboard from Linux? How should I then update the bios? (like download some image of boot floppydisk and dd record it?) |
| 20:11.30 | dondelelcaro | raf256: you can't, reliably. |
| 20:11.39 | valdyn_ | biosvirus: are you doing this as root?, try "lspci | grep -i audio" |
| 20:11.40 | greycat | alfatau: on. the. server. side. All. Of. The. Directories. Leading. Up. To. The. authorized_keys File. |
| 20:11.45 | valdyn_ | biosvirus: what soundcard do you have? |
| 20:11.45 | raf256 | dondelelcaro: and un-reliably? |
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| 20:12.00 | dondelelcaro | raf256: you can sometimes figure it out from the lspci output and what's on the bridges. |
| 20:12.01 | greycat | alfatau: if ANY OF THEM is group- or world-writable, FIX IT. |
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| 20:12.20 | alfatau | greycat: ah, ok, i'm looking at it, thanks |
| 20:12.47 | biosvirus | valdyn, Im not sure |
| 20:12.48 | greycat | Maybe I need a new policy. |
| 20:13.06 | greycat | Maybe anyone who drives me to write more than one word per sentence in all caps should just get an automatic /ignore -time 864000 |
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| 20:13.15 | valdyn_ | biosvirus: so what does "lspci | grep -i audio" say? |
| 20:13.23 | biosvirus | nothing :S |
| 20:13.37 | greycat | biosvirus: what sound card is it? |
| 20:13.53 | greycat | biosvirus: and what error does 'cat /dev/urandom > dev/dsp' emit? |
| 20:13.54 | indes | I need a good sound mixing daemon.. |
| 20:13.55 | valdyn_ | biosvirus: so you do not have a soundcard? what kind of computer is this? |
| 20:13.59 | indes | any recomendations? |
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| 20:14.04 | greycat | valdyn_: it might be ISA |
| 20:14.05 | biosvirus | greycatm I've allready answerd that question |
| 20:14.15 | valdyn_ | greycat: yea |
| 20:14.16 | Vantage | how can you see what server a package was pulled from with apt-get? |
| 20:14.23 | biosvirus | valdyn, The sound works :) |
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| 20:14.57 | greycat | biosvirus: I do not see EITHER of those questions answered in the /lastlog. |
| 20:15.07 | torpet | is there a good onlinebook about the APIC and interrupts and such a stuff? |
| 20:15.07 | biosvirus | lol |
| 20:15.10 | karamelos | do the Debian Policy Manual replaces the Packaging Manual? |
| 20:15.10 | indes | Anyone have a better alternative to esound?? suggestions?? |
| 20:15.11 | indes | anyone? |
| 20:15.16 | biosvirus | I answerd valdyn! |
| 20:15.23 | greycat | indes: a swift kick in the nuts is far better than esound. |
| 20:15.35 | biosvirus | what soundcard do you have: and I answerd Im not sure |
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| 20:15.35 | indes | greycat, what would you suggest to use to mix sounds? |
| 20:15.40 | greycat | biosvirus: I do not see it. |
| 20:15.43 | Random832 | is there a way to globally swap left/right speakers? |
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| 20:15.45 | greycat | indes: an emu10k1 |
| 20:15.46 | indes | greycat, or allow multiple access to sound hardware |
| 20:15.55 | biosvirus | whatever |
| 20:15.57 | greycat | Random832: pick them up and move them to the other side(s) of the desk. |
| 20:16.00 | indes | greycat, I'm limited to my ac97.. I need software.. |
| 20:16.01 | indes | lol |
| 20:16.16 | Random832 | greycat: that's what i _did_ and am trying to cancel out - the wires aren't long enough to put the primary [left] speaker on the right side |
| 20:16.23 | valdyn_ | biosvirus: and your audio recorder still doesnt work, right? |
| 20:16.23 | Random832 | *right/left |
| 20:16.24 | biosvirus | Im not sure, this is a school comp. I've got from school |
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| 20:16.34 | biosvirus | nope, it doesnt work |
| 20:16.35 | UltraNurd | thanks everyone for your help! turns out I had to add an entry for my joystick (a Logitech WingMan Extreme Digital 3D (Where do they come up with the names for these things??)) to /etc/hotplug/usg.handmap, unplug, and replug, to make joydev happy |
| 20:16.35 | nvz | My /home is roughly 110GB ext3, and has been wanting me to fsck on boot for a week or so now. I don't want to do it, because it will probably take 24hours to fsck that much.. so whats the best thing to do here? what am I suppose to do if I have a partition this size and dont have time to take a whole day to fsck every week/month |
| 20:16.52 | biosvirus | at least the sound worked before, when I hade win 2000 on this machine |
| 20:16.59 | indes | nvz, use XFS |
| 20:17.00 | biosvirus | had* |
| 20:17.01 | indes | L0o |
| 20:17.04 | valdyn_ | nvz: tune2fs |
| 20:17.06 | greycat | nvz: any disk of that size should NOT take 24 hours to fsck. |
| 20:17.07 | UltraNurd | catting /dev/js0 spews output when I use the joystick |
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| 20:17.15 | greycat | nvz: if it does, your chipset is not supported in the kernel (no DMA) |
| 20:17.16 | UltraNurd | and SDL seems happy now in terms of recognizing the device |
| 20:17.19 | UltraNurd | so thanks! |
| 20:17.23 | nvz | greycat: well it takes a lot longer than I feel like waiting for my system to boot |
| 20:17.29 | mwilson | nvz: If your box takes 24 hours to fsck that, get a better box. |
| 20:17.48 | greycat | nvz: or switch to BSD |
| 20:17.57 | nvz | heh |
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| 20:18.22 | haga | am connecting to a remote machine to do backups using rsync. Have set up user/group backup on both, can ssh in and do backup of all user directories as have made all users members of group backup, however, on the email server, it is ising MailDir, and the permissions are drwx------, so can't back them up... don't really what to change permissions on MailDir, any ideas? |
| 20:18.37 | nvz | I thought the whole idea of the journalizing fs was to avoid having to do this routine checking? is it nessicary, or can I just turn it off with tune2fs? |
| 20:18.44 | greycat | haga: you need to be root to read all the files on a system to do a backup. Period. |
| 20:18.47 | biosvirus | i get that dev/dsp every time Im trying to listen to something on this computer. |
| 20:18.52 | greycat | haga: how you achieve rootness is your problem. |
| 20:18.56 | biosvirus | so it's the soundcard |
| 20:19.04 | greycat | biosvirus: *PLONK* |
| 20:19.06 | mwilson | nvz: No. The whole idea of the journalizing FS is to safeguard your data. |
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| 20:19.13 | biosvirus | ? |
| 20:19.26 | mwilson | nvz: Only idiots think it means you don't have to ever fsck a volume. |
| 20:19.36 | biosvirus | smurfd, äntligen en svensk :D |
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| 20:19.53 | smurfd | biosvirus, :) |
| 20:19.57 | valdyn_ | nvz: the journaling feature actually has no relevance in periodic fsck |
| 20:20.01 | dondelelcaro | mwilson: pretty hard to safeguard your data with just a journaling fs |
| 20:20.02 | biosvirus | kör du debian? |
| 20:20.07 | bl0w3r | hi... I have a HP Proliant 370M how can I install debian if the CD dont recognize the scsi? |
| 20:20.21 | greycat | bl0w3r: make one that does. |
| 20:20.24 | smurfd | biosvirus, jepp, och U****u |
| 20:20.27 | Rawplayer | does anyone in here have info about project management? |
| 20:20.28 | Rawplayer | like itil/princeII etc.. |
| 20:20.39 | bl0w3r | greycat: I dont have floppy |
| 20:20.44 | nvz | I dont want to safegaurd my data :P I just want to boot up without having to wait forever for it to fsck. |
| 20:20.54 | smurfd | biosvirus, problem? |
| 20:20.57 | greycat | !custom d-i |
| 20:20.57 | biosvirus | Vet du mycket om linux/debian ? jag är nybörjare hehe |
| 20:20.57 | dpkg | it has been said that custom d-i is http://d-i.alioth.debian.org/svn/debian-installer/installer/doc/custom-kernel.txt |
| 20:21.03 | biosvirus | många problem |
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| 20:21.15 | smurfd | biosvirus, google e din vän |
| 20:21.23 | valdyn_ | nvz: most or all other journaling fs have no periodic fsck by default. Do what you want, i think ) |
| 20:21.23 | biosvirus | inte idag :P |
| 20:21.24 | mwilson | nvz: Let it fsck the volume. You won't die if you can't use the computer for whatever interval it requires. |
| 20:21.25 | greycat | smurfd: he downright REFUSED to answer my two very basic questions. |
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| 20:21.27 | cahoot | biosvirus: debian.se eller debian-se |
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| 20:21.35 | greycat | smurfd: I suggest you avoid getting involved with him. |
| 20:21.37 | biosvirus | cahoot, okej |
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| 20:21.48 | biosvirus | greycat e bög |
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| 20:21.56 | indes | nobody hella wants to tell me what to mix sound with.. hehe. |
| 20:22.03 | biosvirus | han är emot sånna som mig, nybörjare |
| 20:22.07 | smurfd | greycat, oh okey. :) |
| 20:22.11 | nvz | biosvirus: THIS IS AN ENGLISH CHANNEL |
| 20:22.13 | dondelelcaro | indes: a mixer. |
| 20:22.14 | valdyn_ | !swedish |
| 20:22.14 | dpkg | hmm... swedish is better than finnish, or #debian.se |
| 20:22.15 | greycat | indes: would you rather cut off your right ear or your left ear? |
| 20:22.23 | nvz | biosvirus: speak english, or go to #debian.se |
| 20:22.27 | greycat | nvz: it's a body of water between england and franec? |
| 20:22.35 | biosvirus | allright, I get to that channel :D |
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| 20:22.47 | smurfd | biosvirus, så, varför kunde du inte svara på hans frågor då? |
| 20:22.49 | nvz | greycat: heh (: nice to see you are with me on this one. |
| 20:22.54 | indes | greycat, I prefer both, I just want multiple applications to have access to sound hardware and feel I need software for this.. |
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| 20:23.09 | valdyn_ | indes: are you already using alsa? |
| 20:23.10 | haga | greycat, yep, I wondered if that might be the case :( best/safest method should be to ssh via backup user and get rsync to run as root using rsyncd.conf file? have you actually done this? |
| 20:23.14 | indes | valdyn_, yes |
| 20:23.18 | p88 | hi all |
| 20:23.20 | valdyn_ | !asoundrc |
| 20:23.45 | indes | alsa sound conf to what? create pseudo devices or something? |
| 20:23.49 | greycat | indes: well, esd is like cutting them both off, griding them into a paste, and then stuffing the paste into your eardrums. artsd is like cutting off just one, and letting it become infected. Your choice. |
| 20:23.49 | indes | it has that ability? |
| 20:24.02 | smurfd | biosvirus, nvz has a point. been there? debian.se? |
| 20:24.05 | indes | greycat, there are no other options? lol |
| 20:24.06 | valdyn_ | indes: alsa has a software mixer that works just nice |
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| 20:24.11 | takatumi | valdyn_: dmix? |
| 20:24.19 | valdyn_ | takatumi: yea |
| 20:24.22 | indes | valdyn_, where three or more applications can use the device at once? |
| 20:24.27 | greycat | valdyn_: does it have a 1000 millisecond delay like esd? |
| 20:24.43 | greycat | valdyn_: does it work with the OSS devices (/dev/dsp), or do the applications to be mixed have to use ALSA? |
| 20:24.47 | indes | See, this is what I'm not aware of, which is why I ask... |
| 20:24.51 | p88 | Where is the setting located to disallow the user root any login to the system? In FreeBSD one could set the "insecure" flag to the ttys. Where is this on Debian? |
| 20:24.56 | indes | greycat, he asked if I had alsa |
| 20:25.02 | indes | greycat, so he did qualify me for it |
| 20:25.04 | nvz | I don't come in here and write ASCII hieroglyphs when people are trying to get things done. I don't particuarly like it when you do it either. |
| 20:25.09 | greycat | indes: I'm trying to qualify it MORE. |
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| 20:25.16 | indes | please go on then |
| 20:25.20 | valdyn_ | greycat: it does not work with the oss devies, but most oss applications can be convinced to use alsa by "aoss <ossapp>" |
| 20:25.20 | indes | I would like to learn more ;-) |
| 20:25.43 | indes | valdyn_, is this documented in the kernel source or externally? |
| 20:25.46 | greycat | valdyn_: well *in theory* you could get OSS apps to talk to esd by using esddsp <ossapp>. But it never worked. |
| 20:25.58 | p88 | Does anybody know? |
| 20:25.59 | greycat | valdyn_: so I have a deep mistrust of all that stuff now. |
| 20:26.03 | greycat | p88: man login |
| 20:26.12 | p88 | Okay |
| 20:26.16 | nvz | I'd also like to know why the hell I keep getting away messages from people in my status window.. this shit is royally pissing me off too. |
| 20:26.23 | mwilson | greycat: Why not just use OSS in the first place? |
| 20:26.34 | greycat | mwilson: because he claims he can't use an emu10k1 card. |
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| 20:26.47 | valdyn_ | indes: its documented on www.alsa-project.org, and dpkg knows a nice ~/.asoundrc, i just need to find the factoid |
| 20:26.50 | mwilson | Since when does OSS not support an emu10k1? |
| 20:27.03 | greycat | mwilson: no, he said HE can't put one in. |
| 20:27.04 | takatumi | !dmix |
| 20:27.04 | dpkg | methinks dmix is an alsa subsystem which allows a music device to play multiple sound streams simultaneously without the need for an external sound server. See http://alsa.opensrc.org/index.php?page=DmixPlugin, or another sample asound.conf at img.hexus.net/v2/features/foss/a3/images/asound.conf |
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| 20:27.18 | indes | valdyn_, thanks |
| 20:27.20 | ricky_clarkson | When was woody released? |
| 20:27.23 | greycat | !woody |
| 20:27.23 | dpkg | woody is probably the current stable release of Debian, version 3.0, released July 19, 2002. Ask me about "potato->woody" or "woody install guide". |
| 20:27.24 | valdyn_ | greycat: a few (shitty) games need oss, nothing else I ever use does |
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| 20:27.43 | nvz | a friend of mine has two old EISA Creative EMU8000's |
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| 20:29.50 | mwilson | greycat: OT: Hey... is there an official oBSD-on-laptops effort? |
| 20:30.04 | nvz | oh well, I can't unmount /home while I am sitting on it. |
| 20:30.10 | greycat | mwilson: nothing I'm aware of |
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| 20:30.17 | ricky_clarkson | nvz: You can remount it read only afaik. |
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| 20:30.35 | greycat | ricky_clarkson: depends on what he has open in it |
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| 20:30.51 | ricky_clarkson | Aye, t'is that, so it is, lahk, lad. Innit. |
| 20:31.10 | mwilson | greycat: I replaced unstable on my thinkpad with 3.6, but I'm having apm issues. |
| 20:31.21 | mwilson | greycat: More google, I guess. :) |
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| 20:31.28 | greycat | I don't even know how to deal with apm/acpi/apci/whatever in linux, let alone openbsd |
| 20:31.35 | valdyn_ | takatumi: thanks ) |
| 20:32.08 | mwilson | greycat: I was impressed with how easy it was to get X running. :) And oBSD got the audio right. :) |
| 20:32.23 | takatumi | valdyn_: ;) |
| 20:32.32 | greycat | if I ever buy a laptop for myself, I'll probably triple-boot it. |
| 20:32.36 | nnk | mwilson: for me (on a desktop), acpi/apm just... worked on SID, apt-get install , kernel 2.6, etc :) |
| 20:32.39 | mwilson | triple? |
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| 20:32.45 | greycat | mwilson: windows, linux, openbsd |
| 20:32.45 | ricky_clarkson | greycat: Can I give it a boot for good measure too. |
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| 20:32.52 | mwilson | nnk: I didn't ask. |
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| 20:33.04 | tiger1020x | anyway to slow down a touchpad mouse in 2.6.10? |
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| 20:33.12 | ricky_clarkson | Move your hand slower? |
| 20:33.24 | nnk | mwilson: i didnt answer, i just staed'it, in case you can use it |
| 20:33.26 | tiger1020x | not funny |
| 20:33.28 | ricky_clarkson | Change the DPI, I think. |
| 20:33.31 | valdyn_ | tiger1020x: www.kernel.org, search for "mouse 2.6" |
| 20:33.47 | mwilson | greycat: I'm reducing Linux machines here in the house. |
| 20:34.00 | valdyn_ | tiger1020x: sorry, wrong url, www.kerneltrap.org |
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| 20:34.35 | streuner | mwilson: sounds like a compaign against linux ... :-) |
| 20:34.36 | mwilson | I suppose I need to re-learn sendmail, though. |
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| 20:34.44 | tiger1020x | i'm registered there shoulda checked then again i'm using debian so a red hat or fedora answer may not help me |
| 20:34.51 | HanClinto | Anyone here feel like answering a Wine question? |
| 20:34.54 | mwilson | streuner: Campaign? Hardly. |
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| 20:35.11 | pipeline | HanClinto: #wine and #cedega may hle |
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| 20:35.17 | valdyn_ | tiger1020x: that thread is general, not debian or redhat or whatever |
| 20:35.24 | HanClinto | #wine has 3 ppl, including me. |
| 20:35.24 | kaner | HanClinto: Rothschild is the best |
| 20:35.32 | nvz | well I guess that only took like 5 minutes or so. |
| 20:35.38 | HanClinto | I can try #cedega tho |
| 20:35.43 | nvz | still too fucking long to wait for at boot |
| 20:36.04 | mwilson | streuner: There aren't any Linux distributions worth bothering with other than Debian, and I'm really no longer into watching Debian politics get in the way of technical decisions. |
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| 20:36.20 | ricky_clarkson | streuner: I think Linux has mounted its own anti-Linux campaign quite nicely. |
| 20:36.22 | pipeline | HanClinto: mainstream wine has a channel somewhere. It may be on GIMPnet or winehq.org rather than freenode |
| 20:36.33 | pipeline | ricky_clarkson: Yeah, it's called Slashdot. |
| 20:36.39 | greycat | HanClinto: #winehq |
| 20:36.39 | ricky_clarkson | No, it's called Linux. |
| 20:36.45 | ricky_clarkson | !stable linux |
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| 20:36.46 | HanClinto | Ah, I'll have to try GIMPnet. Thx. |
| 20:36.52 | streuner | mwilson: go on... |
| 20:36.53 | ricky_clarkson | greycat: What was that factoid? |
| 20:36.58 | HanClinto | I googled for the Wine IRC channel, but wasn't finding it. Thanks |
| 20:37.02 | pipeline | HanClinto: check winehq.org's front page, they say |
| 20:37.10 | HanClinto | greycat: Aaaaah, there it is. Thx |
| 20:37.19 | mwilson | streuner: Hm? |
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| 20:37.22 | spiekey | hello! |
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| 20:38.15 | spiekey | any idea what causes this error? |
| 20:38.16 | spiekey | isdn: fcpcipnp0,ch0 cause: E001B |
| 20:38.16 | spiekey | isdn_net: local hangup ippp0 |
| 20:38.16 | spiekey | ippp0: Chargesum is 0 |
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| 20:38.25 | spiekey | hmmppf.. |
| 20:38.33 | spiekey | isdn: fcpcipnp0,ch0 cause: E001B |
| 20:38.37 | greycat | those wacky germans and their ISDN |
| 20:38.42 | spiekey | hehe |
| 20:38.49 | spiekey | any hint? |
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| 20:39.09 | nasu | ? |
| 20:39.14 | streuner | greycat: hm, most germans don't use ISDN anymore nowadays |
| 20:39.28 | idnar | spiekey: run 'isdncause E001B' |
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| 20:39.46 | spiekey | ah! |
| 20:39.49 | Ignis | Hi, I installed gnome yesterday which installed a bunch of stuff like hotplug and udev. since then the nvidia driver isn't working in X and i'm resorting to nv. I think the two are related.. Does the nvidia driver not work with hotplug? |
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| 20:40.03 | idnar | spiekey: but basically, that's probably your ISDN line going dead; ie. either blame your telco, or fix your wiring ;) |
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| 20:40.04 | LPenguin | !info exim |
| 20:40.07 | greycat | !pal gnome |
| 20:40.10 | dpkg | exim: (An MTA (Mail Transport Agent)), section mail, is extra. Version: 3.36-14 (sid), Packaged size: 740 kB, Installed size: 1400 kB |
| 20:40.12 | valdyn_ | actually, we do use ISDN, just not anymore for internet |
| 20:40.19 | greycat | LPenguin: /msg dpkg info exim4 |
| 20:40.25 | LPenguin | cheers |
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| 20:40.39 | Overand | I just overwrote one of my user's files. I'm using a journalling file system (ext3). Is there anything I can do? |
| 20:40.44 | streuner | too expensive for i-net |
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| 20:40.45 | aardvark | http://feeds.bignewsnetwork.com/?sid=01be258c6ea56c02 < in soviet norway, sausages are you |
| 20:40.51 | nvz | idnar: the nvidia binary from their website doesnt work with debian. If you fetched something which upgraded your kernel, it broke the driver |
| 20:40.55 | valdyn_ | Overand: restore from backup |
| 20:41.02 | nvz | Ignis: ^^ |
| 20:41.09 | Overand | valdyn_: file was hosed in the process of creating a backu |
| 20:41.21 | karamelos | debsign fails to work if if ran from debuild. Part of the error message says "debuild: fatal error at line 787". |
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| 20:41.28 | greycat | Overand: that's.... impressive. (-ly bad.) |
| 20:41.29 | Overand | fatfingered tar, overwrote one of the files i was trying to tar up, i didn't specify a file to archive -to- |
| 20:41.36 | jepel_tailweaver | Overand, If it's super-important, pull the plug to your box ASAP, boot from knoppix, and mount it as ext2 and see if you get the old version |
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| 20:41.49 | jepel_tailweaver | Overand, but you might screw up your file system |
| 20:41.50 | nvz | Ignis: if you properly build the nvidia driver the debian way, this will not happen. But when you use the nvidia binary, you have to rebuild it everytime you change something |
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| 20:42.04 | Ignis | nvz: it is built the debian way.. |
| 20:42.34 | valdyn_ | Ignis: "modprobe nvidia", then try again |
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| 20:42.58 | nnk | Ignis: what does x scream at you when you are trying to use the nvidia driver? have you checked? |
| 20:43.07 | nvz | Ignis: then try being less ambigous about the issue. ask a more proper question without "isn't working" |
| 20:43.27 | simonrvn | xam: i dont see why that would be the case |
| 20:43.33 | Ignis | valdyn_: thanks, any idea why the module isn't getting loaded automatically anymore? |
| 20:44.08 | valdyn_ | Ignis: because of nvidias bad "interaction with udev" ( or so states nvidia ), i dont know what it is exactly |
| 20:44.10 | nnk | Ignis: did that do the trick? it might be blacklisted by hotplog or something of the kind.. |
| 20:44.12 | xam | simonrvn: I know, and I agree. But that's exactly that's the reason why I need that webpage ;) |
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| 20:44.20 | simonrvn | xam: :) |
| 20:44.21 | nnk | valdyn_: ah.. |
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| 20:44.37 | nnk | interesting :) |
| 20:44.37 | valdyn_ | Ignis: its supposed to be fixed in 7x.xx though, are you using 6x.xx ? |
| 20:44.38 | jzono1 | how do i configure the network on a debian 3.0 box? |
| 20:44.42 | greycat | xam: I'm not sure I'd call ext3 "safe" either. |
| 20:44.48 | nvz | nnk: unless "aumix -v 100; cat /var/log/XFree86.0.log | festival --tts" is in your ~/.Xsession, I dont think X is going to screem at you. |
| 20:44.48 | greycat | jzono1: man interfaces |
| 20:45.02 | jepel_tailweaver | lol @ nvz |
| 20:45.03 | Ignis | nnk: i haven't actually tried starting X again, but lsmod prior to "modprobe nvidia" and afterwards make me think that it will work now |
| 20:45.05 | jariep1_ | where do most debian users get the info to setup their apt sources.list? |
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| 20:45.14 | greycat | jariep1_: by running apt-setup |
| 20:45.20 | jariep1_ | ok |
| 20:45.25 | enigmus | my $LANG is en_US.UTF-8 |
| 20:45.36 | valdyn_ | Ignis: whats your nvidia-glx version? |
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| 20:45.37 | greycat | mine's en_US.iso88591 |
| 20:45.38 | nnk | nvz: when your tired and sure ti should work and it doesnt and you can't understand why and you want to sleep, it sure as hell feels like it :) |
| 20:45.44 | enigmus | and gtk, gdk, perl tell me they don't know that locale. why? |
| 20:45.52 | greycat | enigmus: dpkg-reconfigure locales |
| 20:45.53 | streuner | jariep1_: /msg dpkg backports (in case you are running woody) |
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| 20:46.13 | nvz | nnk: actually replacing cat with grep (EE|WW) or something might be better |
| 20:46.14 | Ignis | valdyn_: 6629 |
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| 20:46.26 | nvz | nnk: that would be a lot of screaming otherwise |
| 20:46.27 | greycat | nvz: egrep 'EE|WW' |
| 20:46.29 | Ignis | valdyn_: there is a later version but apt is holding it back at the moment |
| 20:46.53 | valdyn_ | Ignis: i see |
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| 20:47.27 | nvz | greycat: I don't think anyone is actually going to configure their X session to scream errors at them anyhow |
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| 20:48.33 | Ignis | valdyn_: i'll see if a dist-upgrade will sort it out later. if not, i'll stick nvidia in /etc/modules and hopefully it'll work |
| 20:48.43 | nvz | greycat: that probably won't work anyhow. would it even read the .xsession file if there were a fatal server error? |
| 20:48.50 | Ignis | thanks for your help |
| 20:48.56 | nnk | nvz: hm..why not. i think it would sound really startrek-like for a newcomer to linux :P |
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| 20:49.07 | greycat | nvz: it's conceivable that there might be a non-fatal EE |
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| 20:49.19 | nvz | nnk: I am not sure in the case of a fatal error, it would even work |
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| 20:49.25 | greycat | e.g. DRM fails, or fonts can't be found |
| 20:49.27 | xam | simonrvn, greycat: the explaination was something like this: in case of an power outage the IDE/SCSI controller and the hdd still has some power and might write random bits to the harddisk. Since ext3 does updates to meta-data and inodes kind of atomically, the filesystem won't be corrupted. Basically every workstation without UPS and atomic filesystem operation (like reiser4) is susceptible |
| 20:49.47 | nnk | nvz: yes, i am not sure it gets that far in that case either.. |
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| 20:50.01 | nnk | but i'm sure we can find a workaround to that :P |
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| 20:50.20 | nvz | nnk: startx, is a script... though not everyone uses it |
| 20:51.01 | nvz | I think before we start working on ways to make linux talk, we should get a team together to make better voices for festival. |
| 20:51.20 | spiekey | is this a valid plugin? plugin hisax_fcpcipnp.o |
| 20:51.28 | spiekey | i have go the line from "/etc/ppp/peers/provider" |
| 20:51.29 | nnk | nvz: yeah.. s/team/chorus |
| 20:51.32 | nnk | :P |
| 20:51.34 | nvz | heh |
| 20:51.45 | nvz | make a chior boy voice |
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| 20:52.09 | valdyn_ | spiekey: this looks more like a kernel module |
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| 20:53.15 | indes | valdyn_, I've got it (dmix, alsa) working with aplay, but what about making xmms work with it? |
| 20:53.15 | indes | any idea? |
| 20:53.16 | nvz | it would be funny to make a famous-voices package... with immatations of famous people.. so you could ammuse yourself endlessly with things like getting festival to say in Bill Clinton's voice "I did not have sexual relations with that woman" |
| 20:53.17 | indes | it cuts out the other apps access to the hardware |
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| 20:53.35 | valdyn_ | indes: configure xmms to use alsa, and to use your dmix device ( "default" ) for me, or however you named it |
| 20:54.01 | valdyn_ | indes: sane apps would default to "default" but i think xmms defaults to hw:0,0 |
| 20:54.17 | indes | I called it default.. hmm is it declared as !default in the .asoundrc? |
| 20:54.23 | indes | or just default? |
| 20:54.28 | valdyn_ | indes: !default |
| 20:54.37 | indes | ok, I'll try again thank you |
| 20:54.41 | valdyn_ | indes: thats not a common name |
| 20:54.48 | valdyn_ | indes: so !default |
| 20:54.50 | caphuso | xam: http://www.linuxmafia.com/faq/Filesystems/reiserfs.html |
| 20:54.54 | indes | YAY!! |
| 20:54.58 | indes | valdyn_, you are the greatest. :-) |
| 20:55.00 | indes | lol |
| 20:55.05 | indes | I was aplaying as root |
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| 20:56.03 | nvz | <random> thumbdrives are pretty cool. and since they are dropping in price, everyone should have one. </random> |
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| 20:56.25 | nvz | saves me burning cds for dumb stuff.. I gotta go buy one |
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| 20:57.22 | xam | caphuso: just foudn it aswell, but thanks for the link ;) |
| 20:57.57 | valdyn_ | xam: take it with a grain of salt ( imo ) reiserfsck has workd fine for me. |
| 20:58.02 | nnk | nvz: thumbdrives?.. usb stick? |
| 20:58.34 | xam | valdyn: yeah, here aswell, as does ext3 and xfs |
| 20:59.43 | karamelos | which command can I use to set my monitor in suspend mode from gnome or kde console? |
| 20:59.58 | jzono1 | karamelos, *pull plug |
| 21:00.12 | jzono1 | :P |
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| 21:03.14 | jjazz | I have a bunch of mpegs I'd like to put on a dvd, with a menu to select among them. Can anybody recommend an extremely simple dvd authoring tool? |
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| 21:04.07 | greycat | am I the only one who really dislikes the use of "author" as a verb? |
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| 21:04.30 | grigora | has anyone had any luck with using SASL to authenticate against an Active Directory through LDAP? I could use some help |
| 21:04.31 | valdyn_ | karamelos: screensaver-properties-capplet ( from gnome, part of the package "xscreensaver" ) |
| 21:04.40 | deadline | hi, does somebody know how to unpack a .bin file (a movie). what tool do i need? |
| 21:04.45 | greycat | !.bin |
| 21:04.46 | dpkg | methinks .bin is NOT a meaningful filename extension. apt-get install file, then run file on your .bin and see what the hell it is. Or read it with less. Or read the damned README that should have come with it. If it looks like a shell script, try "sh myfile.bin". the extension some jdk installers have, these are executable files; also there is a macintosh archive format with that extension, or a name given to CD images, in conjunction ... |
| 21:04.49 | valdyn_ | karamelos: kde - look into the kde control panel |
| 21:05.23 | karamelos | valdyn_, thx, will check that. |
| 21:05.23 | greycat | if it's a movie, it's probably the bigger half of the .bin/.cue pair. |
| 21:06.07 | valdyn_ | deadline: what file? |
| 21:06.14 | deadline | greycat: FILE says only: Are We There Yet kvcd - A Bubbas-world Release.bin: data |
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| 21:06.17 | FieldySnuts | badger.bin |
| 21:06.28 | greycat | deadline: you probably forgot the .cue file, then. |
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| 21:06.40 | valdyn_ | deadline: try "mplayer file.bin" |
| 21:06.41 | FieldySnuts | @lart cd image formats that need two seperate files |
| 21:06.55 | FieldySnuts | and throws it off mout McKinley. |
| 21:07.05 | greycat | hey, don't litter! |
| 21:07.10 | Kerr | Are there any ssh clients for motorola wap phones? |
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| 21:08.20 | deadline | valdyn_: just tried it and worked! didn't have that idea. lmao. thanks! |
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| 21:10.54 | slocate | question, how does one get kernel 2.6.* to show the bootup messages? |
| 21:11.15 | kbrooks | OK |
| 21:11.23 | kbrooks | A question for all: |
| 21:11.40 | kbrooks | I want my primter (USB) to just work. |
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| 21:11.48 | kbrooks | printer* |
| 21:12.00 | greycat | then why the HELL did you buy a usb one? |
| 21:12.07 | kbrooks | How do I make it so. |
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| 21:12.22 | kbrooks | I didn't. It came with my computer. |
| 21:12.47 | kbrooks | Windows ME was on it. And it just worked. |
| 21:12.57 | Kerr | wow |
| 21:13.02 | valdyn_ | slocate: how did you get your kernel to hide the bootup messages? |
| 21:13.05 | kbrooks | Seriously. |
| 21:13.07 | Kerr | windows me and worked in the same sentance, in #debian |
| 21:13.10 | Kerr | the world is undone |
| 21:13.22 | slocate | valdyn_: lol, no idea |
| 21:13.30 | DyGyTyL | did they ever fix that memory leak in ME? |
| 21:13.30 | kbrooks | I am not joking.' |
| 21:13.32 | greycat | Printing under unix is just HORRIBLE. |
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| 21:13.37 | greycat | doubly so when you throw USB into the mix |
| 21:13.42 | kbrooks | DyGyTyL, No. It was rushed |
| 21:13.48 | slocate | valdyn_: but this is the second compile that does that |
| 21:13.56 | jzono1 | greycat, uh? cups works rigth out of the box |
| 21:13.57 | kbrooks | DyGyTyL, XP is more stable |
| 21:14.08 | slocate | greycat: huh? |
| 21:14.19 | valdyn_ | slocate: i can only imagine that someone messed with your boot manager and added that option to the kernel ( if that exists ) |
| 21:14.27 | greycat | slocate: I said, "Printing under unix is just HORRIBLE." |
| 21:14.45 | jzono1 | greycat, remember trying to install my printer driver & get stuff working in win, took 30mins,. and it didn't work |
| 21:14.48 | slocate | greycat: ok man |
| 21:14.56 | DyGyTyL | i try to figure stuff out on my own but this things been driving me nuts..i got a real question about gtk+ anyone ./compile by hand before? |
| 21:14.59 | kbrooks | DyGyTyL, ME was a release made to satisfy those people who were impatient for XP |
| 21:15.05 | jzono1 | took 2mins for mandrake to set everything up and print a test page |
| 21:15.21 | DyGyTyL | hehe 98 se was ok:P |
| 21:15.26 | kbrooks | DyGyTyL, So that is why it was rushed. |
| 21:15.47 | kbrooks | greycat, do you have those? |
| 21:15.51 | DyGyTyL | my friend said he installed longhorn and went onto some website that tells you what kinda OS/browser/etc your running and it said his OS was linux:p |
| 21:16.02 | kbrooks | DyGyTyL, weird. |
| 21:16.24 | kbrooks | DyGyTyL, reading http headers isnt even accurate |
| 21:16.45 | kbrooks | anyone can fake the user agent |
| 21:16.51 | kbrooks | even you. even me. |
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| 21:17.30 | greycat | except mozilla developers. |
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| 21:17.36 | DyGyTyL | but gtk+ when i ./compile i fixed most dependacies regarding glib,pango,atk but..it says im missing X development libraries..:\ |
| 21:17.49 | [-Pi-] | is it possible to install debian from a pxe booted system? any reference to such a todo? |
| 21:17.50 | greycat | DyGyTyL: stop being a fuckwit. This is #debian. apt-get install libgtk1.2-dev and shut up. |
| 21:17.53 | p88 | In ProFTPd one can set that the users who log on to the FTP server are jailed in their homes or in my case in their public_html as they don't need anything else. I also want to set up an SFTP server. Is it possible to jail the users in their ~/public_html as well? |
| 21:17.56 | FieldySnuts | amen |
| 21:18.17 | greycat | probably a fucking slackware user |
| 21:18.41 | DyGyTyL | heh im tryin to get gtk+ 2.6.4 to work |
| 21:18.45 | DyGyTyL | for the new version of xlfce |
| 21:18.48 | greycat | !gtk |
| 21:18.48 | dpkg | it has been said that gtk is GTK+ (Gimp Tool Kit), a graphical toolkit. You probably want to "apt-get install libgtk1.2-dev", or now at version 2, which may be installed with "apt-get install libgtk2.0-dev". libgtk1.2 is GTK+, libgtk2.0 is GTK2. They are NOT compatible. They are totally separate.. |
| 21:18.53 | FieldySnuts | p88: for proftpd you're looking for the DefaultRoot option in the config. Note it goes by groups, NOT user names. what I do is create a group called noproftpdchroot , and if you're not in that group, you get chroot jailed. |
| 21:19.05 | greycat | !#gnome |
| 21:19.05 | dpkg | The gnome IRC channel is #gnome at irc.gnome.org, or for debian gnome related use #gnome-debian on irc.gnome.org |
| 21:19.07 | FieldySnuts | p88: as for sftp, newer versions of ssh support that |
| 21:19.11 | greycat | !#gtk |
| 21:19.31 | greycat | DyGyTyL: it's probably #gtk or #gtk+ or something, on irc.gnome.org. |
| 21:19.41 | psycose | p88 or just use vsftpd http://vsftpd.beasts.org/ ;-) |
| 21:19.44 | DyGyTyL | im avoiding installing gnome as much as possible :P |
| 21:19.47 | FieldySnuts | p88: note that it's pretty trivial to break out of a chroot jail unless you're running a kernel patched with grsecurity. just realize a chroot jail isn't going to keep somebody skilled in one place. |
| 21:20.02 | p88 | FieldySnuts: For ProFTPd I had set it to jail all users in the group users to be jailed. Where do I set it in the SFTP server |
| 21:20.02 | FieldySnuts | hell even remotely skilled |
| 21:20.09 | kbrooks | DyGyTyL, gtk != gnome |
| 21:20.14 | FieldySnuts | p88: I don't know |
| 21:20.28 | p88 | FieldySnuts: how is it possible to break out of an SFTP jail? |
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| 21:20.50 | FieldySnuts | p88: oh there's probably 32 or more ways. some of them remarkably simple and brain-dead. search around google |
| 21:21.03 | p88 | I certainly will. |
| 21:21.26 | p88 | But anyway, I have pretty dumb users who are even more stupid than I am so they won't break out of the jail. |
| 21:21.33 | FieldySnuts | hard linking to something outside the chroot was one of the easiest I think |
| 21:21.54 | FieldySnuts | p88: yeah but they aren't the problem. the problem is if somebody skilled gets in through one of those accounts. it's not current users you worry about, it's everyone else. |
| 21:21.57 | greycat | FieldySnuts: doesn't that, uh, require someone to make the hardlink from outside? |
| 21:22.11 | FieldySnuts | greycat: not really sure, this is very far back in my mind |
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| 21:22.41 | FieldySnuts | one place to look would be the patch for grsec, in it's help file changes, goes into a moderate ammount of detail |
| 21:22.41 | lyy | what firewall is the default on debian? |
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| 21:23.02 | lyy | iptables? |
| 21:23.03 | greycat | lyy: none |
| 21:23.09 | lyy | greycat: you kidding? |
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| 21:23.26 | greycat | you can install iptables if you wish. |
| 21:23.35 | lyy | ok. thanks greycat |
| 21:23.44 | p88 | lyy: No kidding there is no firewall. Do you want things easy? |
| 21:23.56 | greycat | p88: shut your troll-hole, please. |
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| 21:24.39 | p88 | greycat: Are you doing this for a reason? |
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| 21:25.46 | psycose | woops |
| 21:26.00 | quiet | what is kfrb_httpd? |
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| 21:26.24 | greycat | sounds like it might be the in-kernel mini-httpd |
| 21:26.36 | quiet | hmm.. |
| 21:26.40 | quiet | how do i start apache? |
| 21:26.51 | quiet | httpd -k start doesn't do anything |
| 21:26.52 | citral | /etc/init.d/apache start |
| 21:26.56 | quiet | ahh |
| 21:26.59 | directhex | or a korean fuzzy rabbit based httpd |
| 21:27.11 | quiet | directhex, lol |
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| 21:30.24 | streuner | dpkg, test |
| 21:30.25 | dpkg | No, streuner, you're not online any more. |
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| 21:31.03 | hypo | :) |
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| 21:31.10 | greycat | ~test |
| 21:31.11 | apt | Test Failed! |
| 21:31.17 | FieldySnuts | ravenbird: test? |
| 21:31.18 | ravenbird | No, fieldysnuts, you're not online any more. |
| 21:31.19 | hikenboot | anyone know where I can get the directions on creating a kernel config based on my current kernel configuration? |
| 21:31.38 | citral | cp /boot/config-2.6.8-powerpc /usr/src/.config |
| 21:31.38 | aardvark | ~badger |
| 21:31.40 | valdyn_ | hikenboot: old and new kernel versions please |
| 21:31.45 | citral | rmf |
| 21:31.46 | harfooz | Hi all I have a fresh sarge install from d-i and my mouse will not paste with the middle (scroll) button. The mouse does scroll. What is the X config line that should fix this? |
| 21:31.51 | drac | Is there possibly some (un)official with loads of gtk2-engines someone could recommend? |
| 21:31.59 | citral | cp /boot/config-2.6.8-powerpc /usr/src/kernel-source-2.6.8/.config |
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| 21:32.12 | drac | Hmm, repository. |
| 21:32.13 | harfooz | the mouse is a Logitech optical scroll mouse. |
| 21:32.20 | hikenboot | 2.6.9-x1 i686 |
| 21:32.27 | hikenboot | want the same kernel |
| 21:32.32 | valdyn_ | !drxx harfooz |
| 21:32.32 | dpkg | harfooz: dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xfree86 (as root) |
| 21:32.40 | citral | you are allowed to change the version |
| 21:32.46 | hikenboot | but I issued a make clean and some others to fix a problem |
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| 21:33.05 | citral | hikenboot: make clean doesn't purge your .config |
| 21:33.13 | valdyn_ | hikenboot: do what citral said and run "make oldconfig" |
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| 21:33.30 | hikenboot | oh thank yoiu |
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| 21:33.46 | jaybuffet | hello |
| 21:33.50 | jaybuffet | ive gone done messed something up |
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| 21:35.49 | hikenboot | done thank you very much not sure which command i issued that purged it |
| 21:35.54 | hikenboot | but thanks |
| 21:36.19 | citral | valdyn_: /completion add drxx dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xfree86 ;) |
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| 21:37.07 | citral | s/add/-auto/ |
| 21:37.34 | Eclipser | does linux have support for micronet ethernet cards? |
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| 21:37.56 | streuner | Eclipser: use groups.google.com to find out |
| 21:38.10 | citral | !sing google |
| 21:38.10 | dpkg | Yes Sir, I can google, but i need a certain word. I can google, google woogle, all night long! |
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| 21:38.52 | streuner | Eclipser: you need the chipset in linux in most cases |
| 21:39.32 | Eclipser | I don't know it in this case though, I'm thinking of buying a used one so that I can get my laptop online (through nat :) |
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| 21:40.06 | streuner | Eclipser: oh, you can change the NIC in your laptop? |
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| 21:40.32 | Aaton | just wondering what podcast aggregator's people are using... I was trying to compile bpconf (a KDE frontend) but I get the following error... |
| 21:40.34 | Eclipser | no... it's for my other computer which is online |
| 21:40.35 | Aaton | checking for KDE... configure: error: |
| 21:40.35 | Aaton | in the prefix, you've chosen, are no KDE headers installed. This will fail. |
| 21:40.35 | Aaton | So, check this please and use another prefix! |
| 21:40.47 | nasu | ? |
| 21:40.49 | cafuego | Aaton: /j #debian-kde |
| 21:40.52 | citral | bah, better google for supported hardware and buy one, instead of buying first and not getting it working |
| 21:40.57 | Eclipser | I only have one IP so I need to route the traffic through the other computer |
| 21:40.57 | Aaton | thanks |
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| 21:41.40 | Eclipser | citral, I'm not buying blind... I'll ask the seller for the model/chipset and then decide wether to buy one or not |
| 21:41.48 | streuner | Eclipser: one of my box have 3COM NIC, 1 buck , but its ISA... |
| 21:41.48 | Eclipser | I'm too broke to buy a new one :) |
| 21:42.10 | citral | yeah 3com are cheap and are well supported |
| 21:42.26 | citral | ebay... |
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| 21:43.43 | Eclipser | citral, buying anything from ebay would be more costly than buying a new one for me :) |
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| 21:43.47 | Eclipser | I live in finland... |
| 21:43.54 | streuner | Eclipser: you could use groups.google.com in that case too, mostly you get other infos about then |
| 21:44.01 | larsl | Which Debian installers (if any) supports Broadcom ethernet cards? |
| 21:44.09 | Eclipser | and this card owner lives very near where I live |
| 21:44.09 | streuner | yeah, and the shipping is more expensive then the NIC itself |
| 21:44.19 | streuner | oh |
| 21:44.23 | larsl | I just tried to install DeMuDi, but had to go back to Mandrake because I couldn't get on the internet. |
| 21:44.39 | Eclipser | we go to same school too :) |
| 21:44.40 | citral | larsl: try debian then |
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| 21:45.06 | green_earz | larsl; did use the sarge installer ? |
| 21:45.16 | citral | Eclipser: ask your friend for the exact model, then just google for <cardname> linux |
| 21:45.16 | Eclipser | ah well, I think I'll go play some more doom -> |
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| 21:45.27 | Eclipser | citral, I did email him just now |
| 21:45.30 | larsl | green_earz: The DeMuDi one... I don't know what it's based on. |
| 21:45.35 | larsl | I think it's sarge. |
| 21:45.48 | Eclipser | he's not really my friend, I just found out that he's selling one from local buy-sell newsgroup |
| 21:46.06 | hikenboot | <PROTECTED> |
| 21:46.06 | hikenboot | make[3]: *** [/home/hikenboot/alsa/alsa-driver-1.0.9rc1/acore/hwdep.o] Error 1 |
| 21:46.37 | hikenboot | It must be something simple |
| 21:46.44 | cafuego | hikenboot: wtf are you doing compiling alsa? |
| 21:46.54 | citral | hikenboot: I made a mistake, that I corrected: cp config-2.6.9 /usr/src/kernel-source-2.6.9/.config |
| 21:46.58 | hikenboot | thats what the alsa directions tell me |
| 21:47.11 | citral | maybe he needs cvs |
| 21:47.11 | green_earz | larsl: for the sarge netinstaller > http://cdimage.debian.org/pub/cdimage-testing/daily/i386/20050320/ > sarge-i386-netinst.iso |
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| 21:47.15 | cafuego | hikenboot: 2.6 kernels have built-in alsa, no extra packages needed. |
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| 21:47.21 | raamdev | hey guys, i just upgraded to kernel-2.6.8 and when i try to mount a vfat partition, i get "Unable to load NLS charset cp437". I already checked my kernel config and it already has the CONFIG_FAT_DEFAULT_CODEPAGE and CONFIG_FAT_DEFAULT_IOCHARSET options configured correctly. Any ideas? |
| 21:47.45 | valdyn_ | hikenboot: why the hell copy a kernels config to /usr/src? its suppose to be something like /usr/src/linux/ or /usr/src/kernel-image-foo/ |
| 21:47.46 | greycat | raamdev: grep -i cp437 /boot/config-$(uname -r) |
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| 21:47.53 | Jarn | How do I set up my printer? |
| 21:48.00 | larsl | green_earz: Where can I see which network cards it supports? |
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| 21:48.24 | cafuego | Jarn: ASfter you install cupsys you can go to http://lcoalhost:631/ |
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| 21:48.48 | green_earz | larsl: just download it, its only 110 meg and try it out |
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| 21:48.58 | raamdev | greycat: i get nothing... beucase its actually set for "437" and not "cp437". Do i need to change it? |
| 21:49.07 | citral | larsl: type "linux26" at the prompt and press enter |
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| 21:49.21 | green_earz | larsl: dose knoppix see the card if debian should do |
| 21:49.25 | valdyn_ | Jarn: /msg dpkg cups setup |
| 21:49.33 | larsl | I haven't used Knoppix for a while. |
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| 21:50.28 | raamdev | greycat: and when i grep for 437, theres a line that says "CONFIG_NLS_CODEPAGE_437 is not set", however CONFIG_FAT_DEFAULT_CODEPAGE=437 |
| 21:50.48 | indes | raamdev, did you change your default codepage or not compile in 437? |
| 21:50.52 | green_earz | larsl: well when you did use it did it see the card, if go the sarge net install or get a sarge cd set of ebay |
| 21:50.54 | indes | ya kinda need that one |
| 21:51.03 | indes | I use UTF-8 everywhere but use 437 for FAT disks |
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| 21:51.41 | raamdev | indes: i didnt change the default |
| 21:52.01 | indes | raamdev, what is the default? I don't know for sure.. :-p |
| 21:52.09 | indes | 437 is the default for FAT disks |
| 21:52.09 | raamdev | when i did make xconfig, i didnt even see the NLS_CODEPAGE option, only DEFAULT_CODEPAGE |
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| 21:52.24 | greycat | raamdev: so fix it already. sheesh. |
| 21:52.32 | Chewie[] | is there a FAQ anywhere on switching Exim light to use Maildir? |
| 21:52.36 | raamdev | greycat: fix what? its already set correctly |
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| 21:52.52 | citral | Chewie[]: rooooo google exim + maildir |
| 21:53.02 | caphuso | !exim maildir |
| 21:53.02 | dpkg | [exim maildir] change "file = /var/mail/$local_part" to "directory = $home/Maildir" and add the line "maildir_format" |
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| 21:53.17 | Chewie[] | see, i knew it was something simple like that. |
| 21:53.18 | indes | raamdev, its in there |
| 21:53.26 | indes | raamdev, you can select more than one codepage |
| 21:53.28 | indes | then a default |
| 21:53.48 | Chewie[] | thanks, caphuso. |
| 21:53.49 | streuner | !listkeys maildir |
| 21:53.49 | dpkg | Factoid search of 'maildir' by key (3): exim maildir ;; maildir ;; mbox2maildir. |
| 21:54.30 | Xenguy | hrm, cool feature |
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| 21:55.51 | metalek | hola, |
| 21:55.52 | citral | dpkg: mbox2maildir is also there is a mb2md package in sarge/sid. |
| 21:55.52 | dpkg | citral: okay |
| 21:55.56 | raamdev | its under native language support, thats why i didnt see it. k time to recomplie, thanks greycat & indes |
| 21:56.08 | metalek | algun howto, para configurar un servidor de correo? |
| 21:56.24 | chealer | !es |
| 21:56.24 | dpkg | Hispanohablantes: Por favor usen #debian-es, alli obtendran mas ayuda. Spanish Speakers: Please use #debian-es, there you will get much more help. |
| 21:56.38 | Jarn | valdyn_: what do i enter for the CUPS name and pass when i went to localhost:631? |
| 21:56.44 | metalek | o sorry :P |
| 21:56.48 | drac | Is there repository or url to get more GTK2 themes (engines), debian packaged? |
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| 21:56.52 | Jarn | valdyn_: is it supposed to be root? user? or something special? |
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| 21:57.15 | valdyn_ | Jarn: iirc you chose that when you did setup cups, if you didnt, maybe it defaults to root / yourrootpassword |
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| 21:57.28 | sippeter | HELP HELP: Where is this from: "Uppy, Stewie wants to go uppy"? |
| 21:57.41 | citral | drac: tried metacity-themes? |
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| 21:57.44 | petemc | sippeter: family guy, probably |
| 21:58.14 | Jarn | valdyn_: how do i setup cups? i got thos pkgs and everything. its not my root, i tried that |
| 21:58.15 | drac | citral: hmm, no. trying now. |
| 21:58.18 | drac | thanks |
| 21:58.40 | alfatau | hi, could anyone try if http://it.tldp.org/ works, or it's refusing firewalled connections?? |
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| 21:59.00 | indes | alfatau, no go |
| 21:59.05 | drac | oh hmm. i'm not using metacity :) |
| 21:59.09 | cafuego | alfatau: it's not listening on port 80 |
| 21:59.12 | citral | Jarn: /msg dpkg cups setup |
| 21:59.20 | green_earz | <PROTECTED> |
| 21:59.38 | valdyn_ | Jarn: hmm, try again as root, dpkg-reconfigure cupsys yields nothing about it |
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| 22:00.00 | cafuego | cups always prompts for the rootpw by default, yes. |
| 22:00.08 | Skiver | anywhere to get kde3.4 deb pack for sid ? |
| 22:00.09 | Jarn | valdyn_: *smack self* i forgot i changed my root pw :P |
| 22:00.18 | streuner | Skiver: sid? |
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| 22:00.24 | Jarn | skiver: if you wait a moment ill give you it |
| 22:00.24 | Osax | hi all |
| 22:00.33 | streuner | Skiver: /listkeys #debian-kde |
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| 22:00.50 | Osax | i have a problem with nvidia driver and kernel 2.6.10 on unstable (sid) |
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| 22:01.04 | alfatau | cafuego, green_earz: ok, so it's not my connection that's scanty :) thanks |
| 22:01.12 | streuner | Skiver: /list #debian-kde |
| 22:01.14 | valdyn_ | Osax: which nvidia-glx version? |
| 22:01.14 | Jarn | valdyn_: for the name of the printer, can that be anything? and what does location need to be? |
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| 22:01.22 | Chewie[] | hmm. i did what was said above, but it doesn't work. |
| 22:01.24 | Osax | i can compile and install the nvidia driver but nvidia doesn't show in the list when i do dpkg-reconfigure |
| 22:01.35 | Skiver | thanks streuner |
| 22:01.37 | valdyn_ | Jarn: name: mytinyprinter, location: basement ( or whatever ) |
| 22:01.47 | Chewie[] | i changed /etc/exim4/conf.d/transport/30_exim4-config_address_file |
| 22:01.52 | Jarn | valdyn_: oh, they can be anything? |
| 22:01.53 | drac | Osax: You didn't install nvidia-settings ? |
| 22:01.54 | Osax | 1.0.6629 |
| 22:01.59 | torpet | then do it yourself: $EDITOR /etc/X11/XF86Config-4 |
| 22:02.02 | Osax | drac, nope |
| 22:02.08 | drac | Osax: you should |
| 22:02.10 | citral | torpet: no |
| 22:02.19 | valdyn_ | Jarn: its for your own reference in case you are seeing this printer networked from a remote host and have no idea where or what it is |
| 22:02.24 | Osax | drac, ok let me do and see.. thanks all |
| 22:02.25 | drac | Osax: apt-get install nvidia-settings |
| 22:02.31 | Jarn | valdyn_: Ah. |
| 22:02.34 | Osax | ;-) thanks |
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| 22:02.48 | cafuego | or if you have more than one of the same printer |
| 22:02.50 | chealer | Osax: that's not your problem |
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| 22:03.00 | valdyn_ | Osax: that nvidia driver should not work with 2.6.10 |
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| 22:03.04 | sippeter | Fuck. |
| 22:03.12 | Osax | oh, really.. then what? 2.6.9? |
| 22:03.15 | torpet | apt-get install nvidia-glx .. then everything has to be right... i have running sarge with 2.6.10 too |
| 22:03.21 | valdyn_ | Osax: yes |
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| 22:03.26 | sippeter | sowwy. |
| 22:03.33 | cafuego | Osax: Yes. Alternatively you can patch it. /j #nvidia and see the topic. |
| 22:03.35 | chealer | Osax: why not 7167? |
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| 22:03.39 | Osax | torpet, you run it with 2.6.10? |
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| 22:03.44 | torpet | yes |
| 22:03.48 | torpet | i have no problems |
| 22:03.51 | Jarn | valdyn_: How do I know which device it is supposed to be? The one with the name of my printer next to it? |
| 22:03.51 | valdyn_ | Osax: 7167 would work |
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| 22:03.57 | cafuego | Osax: Mine (patched) runs fine with 2.6.11.4 |
| 22:04.03 | Osax | let me try getting the nvidia-settings now |
| 22:04.06 | torpet | i had 6639 working and now i use 7167 |
| 22:04.17 | torpet | i discovered no problems at all |
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| 22:04.22 | bonez39 | I currently have mozplugger 1.6.0-3 installed, per dpkg -l mozplugger, yet if i want to watch a .mov file..it tells me I don't have the appropriate plugin installed |
| 22:04.24 | bonez39 | why? |
| 22:04.42 | valdyn_ | Jarn: i have no idea how cups does this, the parallel port with the devices name on it should work, but any other parallelport referencing the same physical parport should work too.. |
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| 22:04.53 | Osax | oh, it shows in the list now |
| 22:05.02 | Osax | actually i was missing the nvidia-glx :-S |
| 22:05.08 | Evaso | hi, what is actually the best and easy solution for encrypting home directory? |
| 22:05.08 | Osax | let me restart X and try |
| 22:05.09 | Osax | brb |
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| 22:05.19 | citral | bonez39: hum, mozplugger isn't actually a movie player... look for vlc-plugin or whatever |
| 22:05.21 | chealer | bonez39: doesn't the error say why? |
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| 22:05.41 | Jarn | valdyn_: what do i do if the Model doesn't have my printer model? |
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| 22:06.04 | Osax | back |
| 22:06.06 | Osax | :D it works |
| 22:06.09 | valdyn_ | Jarn: did you install all ppd packages as /msg dpkg cups setup tells you to? |
| 22:06.16 | Osax | i just was missing the nvidia-glx pkg |
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| 22:06.22 | Osax | working fine with 2.6.10 |
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| 22:06.29 | Osax | let me try some opengl |
| 22:06.37 | Jarn | valdyn_: yes |
| 22:06.38 | torpet | without nvidia-glx the X sever can't use the nvidia driver... you only had the kernel module ... |
| 22:06.40 | torpet | *g* |
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| 22:06.47 | torpet | glxinfo |
| 22:06.49 | torpet | glxgears |
| 22:06.55 | valdyn_ | Jarn: pick a compatible printer |
| 22:06.56 | torpet | and unload the agpgart module |
| 22:06.58 | Osax | yep |
| 22:07.02 | valdyn_ | Jarn: which printer is it anyway? |
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| 22:07.10 | Jarn | valdyn_: it's a Compaq 1400P |
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| 22:07.24 | torpet | does it work? |
| 22:07.28 | Osax | 8571 frames in 5.0 seconds = 1714.200 FPS |
| 22:07.35 | torpet | it works |
| 22:07.41 | Osax | like a charm |
| 22:07.46 | torpet | which GPU own you? |
| 22:07.50 | Jarn | valdyn_: All they have for Compaq is lj750, lj900, and lj1200 |
| 22:07.52 | valdyn_ | Jarn: Osax which gfx card? i get that w/ software.. |
| 22:08.00 | torpet | :) |
| 22:08.03 | torpet | debian rules |
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| 22:08.06 | Osax | nvidia 420 go |
| 22:08.07 | bonez39 | chealer: it says: "MozPlugger: No appropriate application found !" |
| 22:08.15 | torpet | the values are correct, i think |
| 22:08.18 | torpet | have fun |
| 22:08.19 | indes | What about the radeon series? I installed cvs xorg from source... no direct rendering.. I have it in my kernel.. |
| 22:08.20 | Osax | on a Toshiba Satellite laptop |
| 22:08.24 | hikenboot | based on what people said..and i appreciate everyones help...I issued the following cp /boot/config-2.6.9-x1 /usr/src/xandros-kernel-source-2.6.9/.config followed by a make oldconfig followed by |
| 22:08.24 | hikenboot | make clean && ./configure --with-cards=cmipci --with-sequencer=yes --with-oss=yes --with-kernel=/lib/modules/$(uname -r)/build && make and am still getting the error make[1]: Entering directory `/usr/src/xandros-kernel-source-2.6.9' |
| 22:08.25 | hikenboot | <PROTECTED> |
| 22:08.25 | hikenboot | /bin/sh: line 1: scripts/genksyms/genksyms: No such file or directory |
| 22:08.25 | *** kick/#debian [hikenboot!~debhelper@debhelper.user] by debhelper (flood: Consider using #flood) |
| 22:08.27 | chealer | torpet: you must be new if you didn't realize that already |
| 22:08.28 | citral | bonez39: hum, mozplugger isn't actually a movie player... look for vlc-plugin or whatever |
| 22:08.29 | valdyn_ | Osax: you should be good then, that isnt the fastest card.. |
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| 22:08.35 | Osax | thanks all.. :) really appreciated |
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| 22:08.43 | Osax | yeah i know.. but it's really faster now |
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| 22:08.54 | Osax | i'm the D-I translator to Arabic btw |
| 22:09.00 | Osax | and Debian pages as well |
| 22:09.04 | Jarn | my card gives me 4000 fps. :P |
| 22:09.08 | Osax | Ossama Khayat - Arabeyes.org |
| 22:09.17 | chealer | Osax: cool...sounds like a lot of job :-P |
| 22:09.18 | Osax | Jarn, Hehe... |
| 22:09.20 | mwilson | Why would you want it to? |
| 22:09.22 | valdyn_ | Jarn: try google |
| 22:09.23 | Osax | yep |
| 22:09.26 | mwilson | ack |
| 22:09.28 | Jarn | valdyn_: k |
| 22:09.30 | ikaro | sorry. fixed. |
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| 22:09.36 | ep | Under gdm I could launch gedit as root from an X console. Under xdm I get errors doing the same, gedit will not run if I am root. Why is this? |
| 22:09.45 | torpet | chealer: i use debian since 1,5 years |
| 22:09.56 | mwilson | ep: Because gdm is broken. |
| 22:09.59 | Osax | almost two years here |
| 22:10.03 | twinsen | no one in the programming/c++ is replying to anything I have written... would anyone here be willing to help me with a simple c++ problem that I can't figure out? |
| 22:10.13 | chealer | torpet: ok, it's normal then, you need some time to stop being impressed |
| 22:10.17 | Osax | run sid on the laptop and testing on desktop |
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| 22:10.28 | ep | ah so gedm is letting me do something insecure? |
| 22:10.28 | citral | hikenboot: you are running xandros, go away. |
| 22:10.33 | torpet | i will always be impressed of debian |
| 22:10.34 | ep | *gem |
| 22:10.36 | torpet | :) |
| 22:10.37 | ep | *gdm |
| 22:10.41 | valdyn_ | Jarn: google tells me that your printer is really a lexmark |
| 22:11.04 | torpet | but now i have a problem: how do i debianize a kernel-module-source |
| 22:11.36 | Jarn | valdyn_: peer |
| 22:11.36 | chealer | torpet: ok, you win ;) |
| 22:11.36 | Jarn | valdyn_: it has a massive compaq logo on it. :P |
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| 22:11.56 | hikenboot | i run both debian and xandros..from what i understand xadros is almost completely debian |
| 22:11.59 | chealer | didn't someone ask about that a few days ago? |
| 22:12.00 | torpet | how many ways are there to debianize a kernel-source-module? |
| 22:12.03 | valdyn_ | Jarn: its just rebranded but should be identical to a certain lexmark printer |
| 22:12.19 | chealer | hikenboot: no, it's based on it |
| 22:12.28 | Jarn | valdyn_: do you know which lexmark printer? |
| 22:12.29 | ep | I'm a newbie, could someone elaborate on the "gdm is broken" comment? If it's broken, why doesn't everybody use kdm? |
| 22:12.36 | torpet | chealer: maye i was the one, but nobody could help me, and i couldn't find something useful |
| 22:12.37 | citral | hikenboot: we are not supposed, and can't help you to resolve your xandros kernel problem |
| 22:12.56 | hikenboot | I understand thank you do you know where i might go for help with it? |
| 22:12.57 | valdyn_ | Jarn: no, look at lexmarks site for some printer with identical capabilities or identical look or somesuch |
| 22:13.07 | Jarn | valdyn_: k, thanks |
| 22:13.16 | citral | hikenboot: isn't there a #xandros channel? |
| 22:13.26 | hikenboot | yes but apparently they dont take questions |
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| 22:13.42 | chealer | torpet: you develop a module, and you want to make module-source packages available, right? |
| 22:13.42 | hikenboot | propaganda only |
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| 22:13.55 | Evaso | hi, what is actually the best and easy solution for encrypting home directory? |
| 22:14.12 | torpet | chealer: yes, i want to have a package like "nvidia-kernel-source", so that i can use "make-kpkg" to build it |
| 22:14.14 | hikenboot | i will try #linux |
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| 22:14.27 | sippeter | My braces hurt. |
| 22:14.28 | Jarn | valdyn_: none look identical, and seeing as I don't know its capabilities... :( |
| 22:14.36 | torpet | because there aren't debian kernel-module-sources for "linux-wlan-ng" |
| 22:14.38 | ep | I switched back to gdm because I liked using gedit to edit config files. |
| 22:14.39 | citral | hikenboot: and, READ the error message ;) |
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| 22:15.23 | mwilson | Evaso: To not bother doing it. What would be the point? |
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| 22:15.40 | revelater | hey all, my hda3 parition says that it is read-only and for some reason i can only access it as root, can anybody help? |
| 22:15.51 | Chewie[] | three cheers for Debian! Exim works! heh |
| 22:16.06 | indes | revelater, remount it rww |
| 22:16.15 | dafresh | hi all, with dhcpd, where can i see the ips used by clients ? |
| 22:16.17 | Evaso | mwilson: i want to encrypt home directory and remount it after login |
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| 22:16.41 | revelater | indes i mean like changing it in fstab |
| 22:16.46 | valdyn_ | Jarn: Compaq 1400P and Lexmark Colorjet use identical ink cartridges ( or toner, whatever it is ). |
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| 22:16.50 | mwilson | Evaso: We all want lots of things. |
| 22:16.56 | indes | revelater, ro to rw? ;-) |
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| 22:17.00 | jariep1_ | how do you remove a package with apt? |
| 22:17.04 | chealer | ep: I think you should ask mwilson what he meant |
| 22:17.10 | Evaso | mwilson: very great reply :) |
| 22:17.11 | citral | !FAQ jariep1_ |
| 22:17.11 | dpkg | jariep1_: http://www.linuks.mine.nu/debian-faq-wiki/ |
| 22:17.13 | Jarn | wow |
| 22:17.13 | indes | revelater, actually |
| 22:17.15 | flurdoing | jariep1_: apt-get remove package |
| 22:17.16 | Jarn | i typed /list |
| 22:17.17 | Mage__ | jariep1_: man apt-get |
| 22:17.17 | Osax | again, thanks all. |
| 22:17.19 | Jarn | its been goin like 3 mins |
| 22:17.20 | valdyn_ | Jarn: so that *may* be the one to try |
| 22:17.21 | Jarn | :P |
| 22:17.23 | Osax | bye |
| 22:17.24 | indes | revelater, you don't need to specify rw, just auto |
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| 22:18.06 | cafuego | Evaso: Just coz you want that doesn't mean it's a good idea. |
| 22:18.10 | ep | mwilson, how is gdm broken and why can i launch gedit as root using it? |
| 22:18.11 | jariep1_ | thanks all |
| 22:18.24 | torpet | hi dave |
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| 22:18.52 | DaveMurray | yo |
| 22:18.55 | torpet | chealer: do you know a way to do this? |
| 22:19.01 | Jarn | valdyn_: okay, thanks |
| 22:19.02 | revelater | indes, check my fstab in flood |
| 22:19.18 | torpet | dave, why not chaning to debian ;-) |
| 22:19.28 | torpet | i'll help you tomorrow |
| 22:19.31 | torpet | :) |
| 22:20.12 | chealer | torpet: no...I'm checking what the package does ATM. maybe a mailing list can help you |
| 22:20.14 | DaveMurray | look, i'm a n00b, and so i laming around with windows a little bit more and when i gathered some XP i try to change |
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| 22:21.16 | torpet | *g* |
| 22:21.32 | torpet | i gather XP to use debian |
| 22:21.37 | torpet | w00t |
| 22:21.54 | DaveMurray | yeah |
| 22:22.09 | mwilson | ep: gdm is obviously broken if it's not enforcing X security. |
| 22:22.11 | torpet | chealer: the problem is that i want to do it myself... i wouldn't be happy if somebody else makes them for me |
| 22:22.12 | foureyes779 | <PROTECTED> |
| 22:22.19 | torpet | yes |
| 22:22.21 | DaveMurray | are ther other useres on this channel ? |
| 22:22.40 | cafuego | DaveMurray: No, you're all alone. |
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| 22:22.43 | torpet | it's a joke... XP = experience and windowsXP |
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| 22:22.56 | DaveMurray | yes |
| 22:22.56 | foureyes779 | hm, apparently wine doesnt like Cygwin real well |
| 22:23.04 | foureyes779 | heh |
| 22:23.10 | DaveMurray | this is my first visit on a channel |
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| 22:23.35 | torpet | is there a official debian kernel-module-source maintainer in here? |
| 22:23.36 | Jarn | valdyn_: Is it just called 'colorjet'? |
| 22:23.36 | foureyes779 | DaveMurray: Welcome |
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| 22:23.39 | chealer | foureyes779: heh, running cugwin on wine... |
| 22:24.03 | DaveMurray | thx, foureyes |
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| 22:24.08 | foureyes779 | i tried to start Cygwin/KDE using Wine...didnt work |
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| 22:24.14 | demism | when I try running fgl_glxgears I get Error: couldn't get fbconfig anyone know what the problem is or how to fix it? |
| 22:24.25 | foureyes779 | it locked up REAl nicely though... |
| 22:24.42 | valdyn_ | Jarn: "Lexmark Z33" is a Colorjet, maybe all Z are, maybe not |
| 22:24.54 | foureyes779 | damn... |
| 22:24.55 | Jarn | valdyn_: k, ill try that. thanks |
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| 22:25.00 | demism | this is trying to install the ati linux drivers |
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| 22:25.24 | ells | anyone familiar with the app acidrip |
| 22:25.25 | valdyn_ | !ati drivers |
| 22:25.26 | dpkg | debs of the binary ATI drivers are at http://stanchina.net/~flavio/debian/fglrx-installer.html (requires that the 'rpm' package be installed) Be sure to *modularize* both the AGP GART and the Radeon DRM options in your custom kernel (under Character Devices). ATI's binary driver does NOT support 9700 mobility radeon or the Mobility U1. Ask me about 'mobility u1'. |
| 22:25.27 | foureyes779 | w00t |
| 22:25.38 | foureyes779 | cant even SSh into the box..heh |
| 22:26.15 | valdyn_ | Jarn: Lexmarks Colorjet(s) seem to be supported awfully =/ |
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| 22:26.50 | torpet | is there a user of swsusp2 and fglrx in combination with VESAFB? |
| 22:27.01 | Jarn | valdyn_: yeah, i sent a test page, and nothin came through. :( |
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| 23:03.09 | caphuso | lith: well, you're not following that request |
| 23:03.09 | digital_ | gn :) |
| 23:03.15 | lith | . . . |
| 23:03.29 | caphuso | lith: instead your trying to use slackware, just with the wrong install medium, and wondering why it isn't working the way you expect it |
| 23:03.56 | lith | what are you talking about? listen mang.. if you dont have anything helpfull to say then just dont say anything. |
| 23:04.18 | lith | never mind dude hehehe |
| 23:04.21 | caphuso | if you had actually bothered to look at the dependancy tree of mysql-server, you'd noticed that it eventually depends on "exim | mail-transport-agent" |
| 23:04.24 | lith | I'll just compile it |
| 23:04.26 | lith | lol |
| 23:04.35 | caphuso | you're doing it again |
| 23:04.40 | caphuso | it's _debian_ not slackware |
| 23:04.53 | caphuso | so stop fucking it up and then coming in here to whine |
| 23:05.08 | lith | DUDE! quite being a freaking girl dude. I said i was venting |
| 23:05.09 | Gathond | lith: if you dont want to have a full mta install ssmtp or some other direct relay only mail thing to get mail to a smart host |
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| 23:05.24 | torpet | *G* |
| 23:05.26 | torpet | kgnome |
| 23:05.32 | torpet | ...with the bugs of kde and simplicity of gnome |
| 23:05.34 | torpet | i'm talkin' bullshit |
| 23:05.36 | torpet | ...and i'm tired |
| 23:05.42 | FarrisG | can nis be used across subnets? For instance, I've got 10 compute servers all using nis in one domain on a /24, but I've got a couple of machines I'd like to use NIS on in the same /16 but a different /24. I've got the machines on the different subnet setup the same as the others, but ypbind won't seem to work |
| 23:05.49 | caphuso | that smells more like "i installed qmail" situation |
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| 23:06.05 | demism | how do I check what version of X11 I have? |
| 23:06.16 | streuner_ | X -version |
| 23:06.17 | js_ | X -version |
| 23:06.23 | torpet | what are the advantages of using the local apic? |
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| 23:06.41 | streuner_ | torpet: /msg dpkg apic |
| 23:07.08 | streuner_ | torpet: the bot has nothing, just google |
| 23:07.50 | streuner_ | torpet: and read the docs in /usr/src/linux/Dokumentation/apic.txt |
| 23:07.58 | torpet | *reading* |
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| 23:08.26 | Raenius | Hello, I have a Compaq 8500R server I'm trying to install debian on. The initial intall part seemed to go fine until I restarted.. Then nothing (no lilo menu). I had to use the bf24 boot option to get the install to see the drives. It's a scsi raid 5 setup. (first time trying out debian) |
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| 23:08.59 | Raenius | Just wondering what I should try? :( |
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| 23:09.43 | demism | supposedly I have 4.3.0 isn't the lates 6.8.2? |
| 23:09.56 | streuner_ | no |
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| 23:10.08 | streuner_ | demism: 4.3 is xfree86 and 6.8.2 is xorg |
| 23:10.42 | kbrooks | demism, 4.3 does not have the license problems |
| 23:10.54 | kbrooks | demism, 4.4 does |
| 23:11.01 | nnk | Raenius: for starters, try http://oss.sns.ro/Hilux.html |
| 23:11.06 | demism | how do I get xorg? |
| 23:11.06 | nnk | Raenius: might help.. |
| 23:11.15 | nnk | Raenius: ;) |
| 23:11.18 | kbrooks | demism, why do you want xorg? |
| 23:11.23 | Raenius | thank you. |
| 23:11.30 | jjazz | demism /msg ravenbird get xord |
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| 23:11.39 | jjazz | demism: xorg, rather |
| 23:11.46 | kbrooks | demism, XFREE86 4.3 DOES NOT EVEN HAVE ANY LICENSE PROBLEMS AT ALL |
| 23:12.13 | demism | kbrooks, i want xorg cause it has support for my ati card |
| 23:12.28 | kbrooks | dude. |
| 23:12.29 | jjazz | demism: what card? |
| 23:12.31 | streuner_ | demism: xfree86 supports ATI very well too |
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| 23:12.41 | demism | ati 9600 pro |
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| 23:12.47 | bob2 | not as well as x.org |
| 23:12.51 | foureyes779 | <PROTECTED> |
| 23:12.56 | bob2 | e.g. DRI with suspend is fucked in xfree86 |
| 23:12.58 | nnk | Raenius: tell us how it went and if it helped, pls |
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| 23:13.44 | streuner_ | bob2: well, we know the advantages very well, but that doesn't help debian at this time... |
| 23:13.45 | FarrisG | if you have machines on different subnets and you want to use nis, do you have to setup a nis slave server? |
| 23:13.45 | jjazz | demism: X.org won't be packaged until after Sarge goes stable. |
| 23:13.58 | bob2 | x.org is already packaged |
| 23:14.02 | bob2 | just not uploaded |
| 23:14.04 | demism | where? |
| 23:14.14 | bob2 | in ubuntu and in branden's svn repository |
| 23:14.16 | Raenius | nnk: Sure will just downloading now.. |
| 23:14.21 | jjazz | bob2: Ah yes. I read about that. |
| 23:14.25 | streuner_ | demism: /msg apt get xorg |
| 23:14.36 | demism | debian is giving me a headache heh |
| 23:15.14 | demism | where are the XFree86 docs |
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| 23:15.33 | ravenbird | ROOOOOOT has landed! |
| 23:15.38 | jjazz | demism: You don't need to burn ubuntu. You can use apt-get to grab those packages. |
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| 23:15.56 | niktaris | are the w32 codecs illegal? |
| 23:15.58 | cafuego | Xorg will bring world peace! It's the solution to all problems! |
| 23:16.02 | jjazz | demism: I'm told instructions are buried in this thread: http://linux.slashdot.org/article.pl?sid=05/02/10/1735240&from=rss |
| 23:16.04 | cafuego | niktaris: Not if you install Xorg. |
| 23:16.14 | kbrooks | apt, tell vlasto_vienna about root |
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| 23:16.38 | niktaris | cafuego, why only on Xorg? |
| 23:16.39 | bob2 | niktaris: they're not legal to distribute |
| 23:16.43 | FarrisG | can anyone give me an objective explanation of why xorg is better than xf86? |
| 23:16.47 | benjamindees | niktaris, I believe they are only illegal to distribute |
| 23:16.55 | bob2 | FarrisG: better hardware support |
| 23:17.15 | Cyanophytes | how can one disable graphical login? |
| 23:17.23 | streuner_ | apt, nodm |
| 23:17.24 | apt | Debian does not use a specific runlevel for graphical display managers by default. Just remove the dm package(s) with "apt-get remove xdm kdm wdm login.app gdm pdm". "update-rc.d -f xdm remove" and friends will also disable the dm until a package update is installed and the runlevel symlinks are restored.. NEWSFLASH! echo "false" ... |
| 23:17.39 | cafuego | FarrisG: bob2 means it supports more (newer) cards - not that it supports existing cards better. |
| 23:17.41 | FarrisG | Cyanophytes: Uninstall/configure your display manager? |
| 23:17.50 | bob2 | cafuego: it supports some cards better |
| 23:17.55 | bob2 | 09:12:56 bob2 | e.g. DRI with suspend is fucked in xfree86 |
| 23:17.55 | cafuego | !xorg bob2 |
| 23:18.03 | niktaris | hmmm |
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| 23:18.17 | cafuego | Did that annoying bot die AGAIN? |
| 23:18.17 | larsl | Which deb source do I need to add to apt-get mplayer? |
| 23:18.20 | streuner_ | cafuego: dpkg is not here atm |
| 23:18.23 | larsl | In sarge. |
| 23:18.24 | directhex | pdm? that's new on me |
| 23:18.33 | bob2 | larsl: /msg dpkg mplayer |
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| 23:18.36 | cafuego | ~xorg bob2 |
| 23:18.37 | bob2 | bah |
| 23:18.38 | bob2 | ~test |
| 23:18.40 | apt | Test Failed! |
| 23:18.46 | cafuego | apt: you're broken |
| 23:18.47 | apt | THERE ARE *FOUR* LIGHTS! |
| 23:18.47 | directhex | !dachs bob2 |
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| 23:18.51 | FarrisG | haha! |
| 23:19.01 | bob2 | larsl: /msg apt mplayer |
| 23:19.04 | streuner_ | larsl: you heard it, just use apt |
| 23:19.11 | travisat | apt: no there aren't, there are 5 |
| 23:19.12 | apt | travisat: what are you talking about? |
| 23:19.24 | travisat | apt: stop denying the truth |
| 23:19.26 | apt | ACTION leaps to his feet and stops denying the truth |
| 23:19.34 | travisat | hahahha I win |
| 23:19.36 | cafuego | bob2: S3 thingies? |
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| 23:20.03 | cafuego | bob2: The questions about Xorg I see are invariably from nvidia/radeon users who think it'll magically make their cards run at twice the speed. |
| 23:20.05 | travisat | apt: you lose |
| 23:20.09 | nnk | travisat: he leaped to his feet..you might be in trouble, on the long run.. |
| 23:20.14 | bob2 | cafuego: radeon. |
| 23:20.27 | streuner_ | travisat: play with bot in #debian-bots |
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| 23:20.46 | cafuego | bob2: Like some idiot yesterday, whose kernel oopsed due to the nvidia.ko module. |
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| 23:20.57 | cafuego | bob2: he reckoned xorg was going to fix it. |
| 23:20.58 | travisat | :( |
| 23:21.09 | bob2 | haha |
| 23:21.58 | larsl | While I'm asking questions, how do I replace Xfree86 with Xorg in Sarge? |
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| 23:22.04 | travisat | larsl: don't |
| 23:22.11 | cafuego | @lart larsl |
| 23:22.13 | bob2 | larsl: /msg apt xorg |
| 23:22.36 | larsl | Hmm. |
| 23:22.53 | streuner_ | haha |
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| 23:23.06 | FieldySnuts | heh |
| 23:23.09 | larsl | Just wondering - I've been running Mandrake until tonight, and never had any problems with xorg. |
| 23:23.20 | FieldySnuts | ravenbird: mandrakesmite? |
| 23:23.22 | ravenbird | FieldySnuts: wish i knew |
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| 23:23.34 | streuner_ | cafuego: you know what could prolly the result is ... ;-) |
| 23:23.43 | cafuego | streuner_: Yeah, I'll be RICH! |
| 23:23.51 | streuner_ | haha |
| 23:24.05 | bob2 | larsl: indeed |
| 23:24.16 | bob2 | blah blah blah x.org is fine but not in debian for political reasons blah blah |
| 23:24.40 | bob2 | vlasto_vienna: I'm pretty sure I have no idea who you are |
| 23:24.49 | bob2 | vlasto_vienna: which is a good hint you shouldn't be /msg'ing me |
| 23:24.51 | bob2 | ask in here |
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| 23:25.18 | jclinton | bob2, not correct... it's not in because it's not going in until the release occurs |
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| 23:25.31 | bob2 | indeed |
| 23:25.38 | cafuego | larsl: The issue is there is not (as of yet) a properly supported Xorg package for Debian. This means that when people have a problem with it, they'll come here and whinge, whilst NOBODY will be able to help them. This is going to make them flame. |
| 23:25.57 | bob2 | <PROTECTED> |
| 23:25.57 | bob2 | <PROTECTED> |
| 23:25.59 | cafuego | larsl: I'm sure people who would be able to fix such problems on their own, would also know where to find packages (if indeed there are any). |
| 23:25.59 | bob2 | <heh> |
| 23:26.03 | FieldySnuts | nice |
| 23:26.26 | jclinton | bob2, don't paste in this channel |
| 23:26.31 | cafuego | <heh> |
| 23:26.34 | FieldySnuts | heh! |
| 23:26.43 | cafuego | bob2: we'll make you PAY |
| 23:26.46 | bob2 | <PROTECTED> |
| 23:26.47 | bob2 | <PROTECTED> |
| 23:26.47 | bob2 | <PROTECTED> |
| 23:26.53 | bob2 | (from whois.com) |
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| 23:27.02 | bob2 | er, whois |
| 23:27.02 | Rawplayer | bob2: :( |
| 23:27.36 | jclinton | someone kick him? |
| 23:27.39 | cafuego | bob2: THose lamers didn't even add TXT records |
| 23:27.50 | cafuego | jclinton: Ask him to kick himself, he's an op. |
| 23:27.51 | FieldySnuts | do it for miscrosoft.com (use pager!) |
| 23:28.08 | jclinton | he is? |
| 23:28.23 | cafuego | jclinton: Paste 20 lines of CAPS at him, you'll see. |
| 23:28.26 | ep | i noticed Google filled there usenet search results full of spam. They didn't used to do this. |
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| 23:28.49 | kbrooks | ep, it isnt |
| 23:28.54 | cafuego | ep: That's because spam is the only thing there is on usenet these days. |
| 23:28.54 | larsl | Hm, gdmflexiserver isn't flexing. |
| 23:29.00 | kbrooks | ep, you are seeing google text |
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| 23:29.22 | larsl | Has anyone used gdmflexiserver? It does nothing here. |
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| 23:30.05 | ep | pretty much true. Some groups are pretty topical, learn.c++ etc. |
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| 23:32.17 | p88 | Hi I want to install Java SDK on my box and it says it can install J2SE 1.4 SDK. Can it also install J2EE 1.4 SDK? It is the Enterprise Edition instead of the Standard Edition. |
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| 23:33.56 | T-mac | does anyone know the gpm.config settings needed for a trackpoint mouse? |
| 23:34.22 | FieldySnuts | @fuck java |
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| 23:34.51 | FieldySnuts | heh second |
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| 23:34.54 | thingfish | silly, Hitachi vibrators only come in chrome. |
| 23:34.56 | thomas_adam | abrotman: http://edulinux.homeunix.org/fish.html |
| 23:34.58 | streuner_ | T-mac: try /msg apt gpm+x |
| 23:35.21 | Basic2EE | how to you mark a file a configuration file in cdbs? |
| 23:35.26 | abrotman | thomas_adam: shrink pic! :) |
| 23:35.26 | p88 | Hm something weird with my keyboard |
| 23:35.31 | T-mac | ok |
| 23:35.38 | abrotman | thomas_adam: save the bytes!!! scale down!! |
| 23:35.46 | thomas_adam | abrotman: Pah. :P |
| 23:36.06 | hoj | how can i tell what driver to use for a particular nic ? |
| 23:36.20 | thomas_adam | abrotman: My digital camera uses serial to connect to my PC - so it's err, rather old. But it was top of the range when I bought it about five years ago. :P |
| 23:36.21 | abrotman | thomas_adam: heh |
| 23:36.32 | abrotman | thomas_adam: you can use gimp to scale it down :) |
| 23:36.38 | T-mac | streuner, it says /msg: no such file or directory |
| 23:36.38 | thomas_adam | abrotman: Nooo. |
| 23:36.48 | streuner_ | hoj: apt-get remove discover and edit /etc/modules |
| 23:36.49 | travisat | hoj: google works |
| 23:36.50 | FieldySnuts | ass |
| 23:36.55 | thomas_adam | abrotman: convert(1). But I don't want to scale it down. |
| 23:37.03 | streuner_ | apt, tell T-mac about gpm+x |
| 23:37.04 | jjazz | Anybody here using freenx |
| 23:37.07 | jjazz | ? |
| 23:37.08 | benjamindees | hoj, ask and somebody will tell you; otherwise google the name on the chipset |
| 23:37.16 | thomas_adam | jjazz: Don't poll. |
| 23:37.22 | hoj | netgear ne201 isa card....... |
| 23:37.40 | streuner_ | hoj: just load the module |
| 23:37.40 | abrotman | thomas_adam: put a little cream sauce on the trout? |
| 23:37.49 | abrotman | just an idea ... |
| 23:37.53 | abrotman | but i ahve weird ones |
| 23:37.56 | hoj | streuner_ yes, what module ? |
| 23:38.04 | thomas_adam | abrotman: Next time. :) |
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| 23:38.17 | abrotman | thomas_adam: last time i had fish i put maple syrup/mustard on it .. i thought sng was going to lynch me |
| 23:38.18 | p88 | Nobody knows about java? |
| 23:38.26 | Flimzy | Are USB (1.1) ethernet adaptors capable of higher speeds than PCMCIA ethernet cards? |
| 23:38.29 | streuner_ | hoj: google for, and use groups.google.com to find out what module you need |
| 23:38.29 | FieldySnuts | how do survive, geez. use google, that string you gave and the word linux |
| 23:38.30 | thomas_adam | abrotman: Heh. |
| 23:38.34 | MerlinCorey | someone please help me because I am inept and I can't get one of my interfaces up, though I have man'd interfaces many a time I am simply inept |
| 23:38.34 | FieldySnuts | p88: just that it sucis |
| 23:38.37 | FieldySnuts | sucks |
| 23:38.37 | abrotman | thomas_adam: but it was very very good |
| 23:38.42 | abrotman | thomas_adam: IMO anyways |
| 23:38.45 | p88 | Okay |
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| 23:38.52 | p88 | then I will just try it |
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| 23:39.13 | benjamindees | hoj, ne or ne2k-pci |
| 23:39.20 | hoj | cool thanks |
| 23:39.24 | abrotman | thomas_adam: i'm going to try the same on pork chops |
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| 23:39.40 | benjamindees | hoj, they're in /lib/modules/blah/kernel/drivers/net |
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| 23:39.49 | hoj | benjamindees thanks |
| 23:40.13 | p88 | I do hope it works as I have to download almost 100MB over a slow server connection for it. |
| 23:40.23 | stew | MerlinCorey: /msg dpkg man interfaces |
| 23:40.33 | thomas_adam | abrotman: Ah, the chops would work, I think. |
| 23:40.37 | streuner_ | dpkg, wtf |
| 23:40.49 | MerlinCorey | stew: thanks :rolleyes: |
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| 23:40.58 | T-mac | where is the gpm.config located? |
| 23:41.06 | abrotman | thomas_adam: the fish was salmon :) |
| 23:41.22 | thomas_adam | abrotman: :) |
| 23:41.23 | streuner_ | T-mac: configuration files are in /etc |
| 23:41.27 | T-mac | thx |
| 23:41.38 | abrotman | thomas_adam: the salmon is meaty enough that it works pretty well |
| 23:41.52 | abrotman | thomas_adam: but you wouldn't believe how much the taste of maple comes out when you cook it |
| 23:42.00 | thomas_adam | abrotman: How so? |
| 23:42.28 | benjamindees | can't seem to 'apt-get source shadow=4.0.3-30.10' shouldn't that work? |
| 23:42.29 | abrotman | thomas_adam: i kept thinking the fish was too mustardy .. then after it cooked .. not nearly so bad |
| 23:42.38 | stew | abrotman: my favorite way to do salmon is with ginger, onions, maple |
| 23:42.47 | abrotman | see .. i'm not crazy |
| 23:42.49 | abrotman | well ... |
| 23:42.50 | abrotman | wait |
| 23:43.12 | stew | doing as i do doesn't make you not-crazy |
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| 23:44.09 | abrotman | stew: i took some flak for it though :) |
| 23:44.51 | abrotman | i've never gotten good at deboning a fish |
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| 23:46.02 | thingfish | you guys like monkfish? |
| 23:46.06 | thingfish | I love it. |
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| 23:46.12 | abrotman | i like lots of fish |
| 23:46.18 | thomas_adam | Red Snapper is next on my list. :) |
| 23:46.22 | abrotman | but i live on the east coast |
| 23:46.23 | thingfish | me too. |
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| 23:47.15 | abrotman | thomas_adam: you watch Good Eats at all? .. they had an interesting one about poaching fish |
| 23:47.36 | reagleBRKLN | none of the commands in the motd work for me...? "/msg dpkg xorg" -> dpkg: No such nick/channel |
| 23:47.45 | thomas_adam | abrotman: Nah. I didn't. Mmmmm, poached fish. |
| 23:47.47 | abrotman | because dpkg isn't here |
| 23:47.48 | Phated | Oh yeah, dpkg is ded, isn't it. |
| 23:47.53 | FieldySnuts | again. |
| 23:47.55 | fdv | Hi, the 2.6.10-1-686 kernel-image package seems to mount the initrd read only, is this behaviour one wants? |
| 23:48.02 | reagleBRKLN | was wondering what the eta on sarge was... |
| 23:48.04 | streuner_ | use apt or ravenbird instead |
| 23:48.04 | abrotman | thomas_adam: i'm looking now |
| 23:48.09 | abrotman | @wwsr |
| 23:48.18 | FieldySnuts | ravenbird: teset |
| 23:48.18 | ravenbird | FieldySnuts: I give up, what is it? |
| 23:48.22 | FieldySnuts | ass |
| 23:48.27 | streuner_ | hehe |
| 23:48.43 | streuner_ | ravenbird fools us :-) |
| 23:48.43 | reagleBRKLN | didn't see info on http://lists.debian.org/debian-devel-announce/2005/03/threads.html either |
| 23:48.44 | ravenbird | streuner_: I'm not sure, is it larger than a breadbox? |
| 23:49.02 | bob2 | reagleBRKLN: there is no eta |
| 23:49.06 | bob2 | reagleBRKLN: hopefully soon |
| 23:49.12 | abrotman | thomas_adam: http://www.foodnetwork.com/food/recipes/recipe/0,1977,FOOD_9936_14135,00.html |
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| 23:49.26 | reagleBRKLN | is there a summar of showstoppers and bottle necks? |
| 23:49.28 | abrotman | thomas_adam: watching the actual show is more interesting |
| 23:49.33 | thomas_adam | :) |
| 23:49.39 | thomas_adam | I don't own a TV, thankfully. |
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| 23:49.45 | abrotman | reagleBRKLN: if you read the wwsr factoid .. if it existed .. there is lots of them :) |
| 23:49.54 | bob2 | reagleBRKLN: not really |
| 23:49.54 | FieldySnuts | ravenbird: wwsr? |
| 23:49.56 | ravenbird | FieldySnuts: are you using Windows? |
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| 23:49.58 | FieldySnuts | heh. |
| 23:50.11 | abrotman | ~wwsr |
| 23:50.14 | abrotman | see .. |
| 23:50.15 | ZCorker | Can someone help me with Debby? |
| 23:50.19 | abrotman | debby? |
| 23:50.20 | hojax | i have a tulip and ne card in my future router box -- when i physically add the ne card to my box , i cannot get the tulip card up ~~ what might cause this problem?? |
| 23:50.20 | abrotman | again? |
| 23:50.25 | calin | !wwjd |
| 23:50.30 | jetscreamer | !sex debby |
| 23:50.33 | indes | anyone know of a way to get scim working in tcl/tk to make chinese input go into wish? |
| 23:50.39 | benjamindees | hojax, irq conflict, ne cards suck |
| 23:50.41 | bob2 | jetscreamer: no? |
| 23:50.42 | ZCorker | Not that type of Debby you silly. |
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| 23:50.53 | abrotman | hey .. my ISA ne card works fine :) |
| 23:51.00 | abrotman | ZCorker: well . it's not called debby now is it? |
| 23:51.01 | hojax | benjamindees ok, if it were a irq conflict - i could look at interrupts ?? |
| 23:51.03 | jetscreamer | my isa ne does too |
| 23:51.05 | benjamindees | hojax, move them around to different slots |
| 23:51.10 | putridx | anybody know of any type of "virtual pc" application? |
| 23:51.11 | hojax | k, ill try that |
| 23:51.20 | bob2 | putridx: qemu |
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| 23:51.48 | jetscreamer | you need to turn off plug&playin bios and set the stuff with the manuf setup (dos) disk, and specify ip and irq when you load the module... least i do |
| 23:51.49 | putridx | bob2: i saw that, but the description said something about "fast processor emulator" |
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| 23:52.04 | jetscreamer | err io & irq |
| 23:52.20 | bob2 | putridx: yes, it has a virtualisation mode, too |
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| 23:53.05 | benjamindees | jetscreamer, hmm... know where I can get a setup disk? |
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| 23:53.23 | putridx | bob2: can i run windows on it? |
| 23:53.30 | jetscreamer | benjamindees, the manuf... i had to google for mine... you might not find one, you might |
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| 23:54.06 | toomboy | in debian stable, how do i check to see if postfix is running chrooted ? |
| 23:54.09 | bob2 | putridx: er, of course |
| 23:54.19 | bob2 | toomboy: /etc/postfix/master.cf |
| 23:54.22 | putridx | bob2: cool, i'd like to test it |
| 23:54.24 | putridx | thanks. |
| 23:54.37 | ZCorker | I installed Debby for the first time and I am a newbie? I am having trouble and don't know what to do. I was hoping to take a class online if I can get this sucker minimally functional and connected to the net. I installed a binary edition of Debbian Linux iso that I downloaded from the net and burned to a rerecordable CD. I tried to mount the thing from the CD instead of floppies. I can't get connected to the net. The la |
| 23:54.38 | streuner_ | toomboy: postfix runs in debian by default |
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| 23:55.04 | ZCorker | What do I dodo?? |
| 23:55.26 | indes | ZCorker, you're online now |
| 23:55.29 | bob2 | ZCorker: if you mean Debian, please say so |
| 23:55.32 | toomboy | streuner_: so default settings, as long as i didnt change anything in master.cf it shouldnt be chrooted? cuz having probs with postfix connecting to a mysqld.sock |
| 23:55.33 | indes | may I suggest printing a net tutorial |
| 23:55.33 | cafuego | toomboy: If you didn't change it, it's chrooted. |
| 23:55.40 | benjamindees | you know the new version of win4lin is based on qemu |
| 23:55.40 | indes | get your net working |
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| 23:55.42 | indes | then get more tutorails |
| 23:55.43 | indes | llol |
| 23:55.49 | ZCorker | I am using Win2k. I have a dual boot with dos and Win2k Pro svpk IV. |
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| 23:56.24 | Raenius | nnk: Well the installed crapped out when moving the files to the system, but having vi made me notice why the install wasn't working.. |
| 23:56.25 | dvs | Win2k Pro? |
| 23:56.32 | bob2 | ZCorker: so where are you installing Debian? |
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| 23:56.49 | Raenius | nnk: lilo had the wrong id's for the raid drives. |
| 23:57.00 | FieldySnuts | s/had/was given/ |
| 23:57.03 | rafael-ec | join #installfest |
| 23:57.05 | toomboy | cafuego: do you know which lines i need to change to make it not chrooted? do i just change all the - under chroot column to n ? |
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| 23:57.11 | FieldySnuts | rafael-ec: why? |
| 23:57.17 | ZCorker | Also, I am getting a daisy chain boot loader. Initially a red menu screen shows up with three options asking me if I want to load Debby, other Ops or Win2k. If I choose Win2k the system freezes. I can only get into win2k if I choose "other ops option". After choosing other ops option I get a menu from windows for dos and win2k. |
| 23:57.18 | rafael-ec | sorry i miss the / |
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| 23:57.41 | bob2 | ZCorker: please try to type more carefully |
| 23:57.43 | FieldySnuts | ZCorker: little tip. so as to not annoy people here, please call it Debian. |
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| 23:57.52 | Frankablu | Anyone know where I can get a staticilly linked version of apt-get? |
| 23:58.03 | ZCorker | I was just trying to abreviate is so that I wouldn't have so many letters to type. |
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| 23:58.18 | FieldySnuts | one letter hehe |
| 23:58.20 | bob2 | Frankablu: don't think there is one |
| 23:58.20 | Phated | You capitalise and punctuate, man. Stop whining. |
| 23:58.22 | streuner_ | Frankablu: no idea, just compile it for your own |
| 23:58.26 | bob2 | Frankablu: why do you want it? |
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| 23:58.52 | bal00 | hi, does anyone know how can I say HAL and D-BUS to use a different name when automounting and usb device or the ipod ? |
| 23:58.56 | jetscreamer | ZCorker, did you move the hd/partition windows is on |
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| 23:58.59 | Frankablu | Can't compile it due to too high of version of make |
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| 23:59.02 | Flimzy | !tell ZCorker about ask |
| 23:59.10 | bob2 | bal00: try #freedesktop |
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| 23:59.20 | bob2 | Frankablu: what are you trying to do? |
| 23:59.25 | todd_ | hi |
| 23:59.28 | ZCorker | not sure. I believe that I am running /dev/hda6 |
| 23:59.32 | replaceafill | hello, does anyone know an alternative for macromedia director in debian? |
| 23:59.48 | streuner_ | Frankablu: /msg apt simple sid backport |
| 23:59.55 | Frankablu | bob2: chroot install debian via apt-get :) |
