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| 00:01.21 | valdyn | gridline: anything not 'oldconfig' will uses linus' defaults (whatever those may be, i dont know ), or your current .config |
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| 00:03.47 | infodroid | !be random |
| 00:03.47 | dpkg | If you look hard, you can *smell* the music! |
| 00:04.13 | shakparl | !be random |
| 00:04.13 | dpkg | My middle name is TARZAN! |
| 00:04.22 | Eclipser | !be random |
| 00:04.33 | Eclipser | pft |
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| 00:04.36 | Eclipser | time limit :) |
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| 00:05.07 | ningo | !stfuyfubycsmhas |
| 00:05.07 | dpkg | stfuyfubycsmhas is, like, probably 31337 abbreviation, UFEKANMLU |
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| 00:05.17 | Blissex | !be a badger |
| 00:05.22 | Eclipser | !UFEKANMLU |
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| 00:05.43 | wgandhi | has anyone got the drm module working for the intel i915GM chipset? |
| 00:05.54 | shingouz | stop pestering poor dpkg on the channel, msg him |
| 00:06.02 | sussudio | !tell wgandhi about polls |
| 00:06.05 | ningo | yes, ppor dpkg :( |
| 00:06.15 | ningo | poor, even |
| 00:06.23 | infodroid | wgandhi: i'm still having problems with 865G chipset |
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| 00:06.56 | wgandhi | ok. I tried using the latest kernel version 2.6.11.2.. AGPGART seems to recognize the chipset.. |
| 00:06.59 | infodroid | good thing its dead, finally |
| 00:07.10 | infodroid | !die |
| 00:07.10 | dpkg | I'll murder you infodroid! Skin you alive and toss you in the great salt lake! |
| 00:07.21 | wgandhi | drm just says that it was initialized it does not say that it has initialized the i915 driver.. |
| 00:07.42 | wgandhi | I dont know how to start the debug... |
| 00:07.46 | sineer | say I install Debian ontop of an HD that use to run Windows... say I just format the drive as ext3 partitions and not DD the whole drive with 0s and 1s a few times.. Would it be possible, after a few months of operation under Debian OS, that old data on the drive could be restored say someone would want to know what used to be on that drive?? |
| 00:08.14 | shingouz | sineer it is possible but not very likely |
| 00:08.34 | sineer | yeah.. so its not really worth the trouble of DDing the drive a few times? |
| 00:08.37 | maher | sineer: probably not - you'd have to send it to a specialist data recovery place |
| 00:08.45 | infodroid | wgandhi: have you checked the xfree86 logs? |
| 00:08.48 | caphuso | sineer: depends on your level of paranoia |
| 00:08.51 | sineer | but "a special data recovery place" could recover it right... |
| 00:08.56 | maher | sineer: do you want to get data back or be sure its gone |
| 00:09.04 | sineer | caphuso, I'm orange on the paranoia scale |
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| 00:09.12 | sineer | maher, be sure its gone |
| 00:09.21 | shingouz | sineer let's put it this way: if there is something important enough to warrant such data recovery attempts, you would not be able to get the drive in the first place |
| 00:09.21 | wgandhi | i dont even have to load the xfree86 logs.. dmesg should tell me that the drm module was correctly loaded.. |
| 00:09.22 | caphuso | if you want to be sure it's gone, burn the disk, preferably after running it over with your car |
| 00:09.24 | maher | sineer: there are programs to scrub your disk for you |
| 00:09.37 | wgandhi | i mean i dont even start X.. I know it is not going to enable dri... |
| 00:10.14 | sineer | maher, something else than DD? I've just made a debian dvd and I'm about to reinstall.. it would be nice to run some small app that fit on a floppy I could scrub the drive with |
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| 00:10.51 | shingouz | sineer if you dd the drive over a couple of times from /dev/random you should be pretty safe from snoops (unless the snoops happen to be employed by some govt agency like the MIB) |
| 00:10.53 | gridline | Can't you run DD from the debian install or rescue disk? |
| 00:10.55 | caphuso | sineer: was there enough important data on that disk that someone is going to spend a few thousand dollars to recover it? |
| 00:10.59 | maher | sineer: i don't know a linux one offhand - google disk erase |
| 00:11.09 | sineer | shiner840_Away, lol |
| 00:11.28 | maher | sineer: no one cares about your dodgy pics btw... |
| 00:11.29 | caphuso | shingouz: /dev/random? that'll take a few years |
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| 00:11.39 | sineer | caphuso, some old srcs from businesses yeah... |
| 00:11.54 | shingouz | caphuso but is is safer than /dev/zero.. ;) |
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| 00:12.21 | maher | sineer: using dd to repeatedly write arbitrary patterns of 0's and 1's to the disk should work tho |
| 00:12.22 | findme | sineer, are you in trouble ? |
| 00:12.36 | sineer | findme, nop |
| 00:12.47 | findme | good good |
| 00:12.50 | sineer | if I'd be in trouble I'd physically destroy the drive :) |
| 00:13.06 | toresbe | sineer: If you want to be COMPLETELY on the safe side, destruction is the ultimate protection. |
| 00:13.09 | findme | ha ha |
| 00:13.29 | toresbe | sineer: /dev/random two times removes all traceable content. |
| 00:13.35 | sparr_ | i have a process that i cant kill. when i try to kill it nothing happens. if i do a 'ps' and see it running then ps stops responding. help? |
| 00:14.02 | puppet | lol no wonder my net was slow |
| 00:14.04 | shingouz | sineer most of the time there is simply nothing on the drives that someone would actually cough up thousands of dollars to recover the data even after a couple of runs off /dev/zero plus a few months of use under another O/S |
| 00:14.04 | caphuso | _two times_ from /dev/random? i doubt that the disk survives that long |
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| 00:14.11 | puppet | bit torrent pulled 250kb/se in and 90 out |
| 00:14.12 | puppet | hahahaha |
| 00:14.14 | Ridley | folks, I've just tried to compile a 2.6.11.2 kernel following a short guide... compiled with a "fakeroot make-kpkg --revision=custom.1.0 kernel_image" command, installed with "dpkg -i imagename.deb" followed by "mkinitrd -o initrd.img-2.6.11.2 2.6.11.2", Grub shows automatically the new kernel as on-boot choice, but... it ends in a black screen. |
| 00:14.14 | maher | toresbe: that's not entirely clear, some stuff may still be recoverable by forensic experts |
| 00:14.26 | puppet | wasnt cdimage.debian was me ; |
| 00:14.31 | toresbe | maher: no, not really |
| 00:14.36 | sineer | shingouz, that's what I figure |
| 00:14.38 | Ridley | does anyone know what could be wrong? |
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| 00:14.52 | toresbe | maher: with /dev/zero it's already ludicrously hard with today's data densities. |
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| 00:15.07 | airox | :/ |
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| 00:15.13 | trend | what is wrong with this line(I am trying to get VNCserver to start via inetd): vnc-1024 stream tcp nowait root /usr/bin/vncserver |
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| 00:15.20 | toresbe | maher: I daresay that two overwrites it's impossible. |
| 00:15.30 | troubb | hi! anyone can help me with lmsensors? i have a via8237 motherboard with the sensor chip: w83627hf, i have all the modules needed on the kernel (2.6.10), but when i run "sensors" i gte this message: Either use the ddcmon driver instead of the eeprom driver, or run the decode-edid.pl script. i have run this script with no results, anyway, anyone knows where is the ddcmon driver? i searched in .config and i can't found it, thanks! |
| 00:15.32 | simonrvn | wtf... |
| 00:15.32 | sineer | so it must be a real HD killer to dd from /dev/zero or random.. right? How long could it take for an ATA100 120G hd? any clues anyone? |
| 00:15.43 | cafuego | trend: Do the vncserver docs say that's the way to do it? |
| 00:15.44 | simonrvn | @caphuso++ |
| 00:15.46 | caphuso | let's assume a 60gig hard disk and 100 bytes/sec out of /dev/random |
| 00:16.06 | caphuso | that's about 20 years for overwriting once |
| 00:16.11 | cafuego | caphuso: We're assuming a hw random generator here, I think. |
| 00:16.14 | sineer | ok so random mayb slow but zero will be much faster right? |
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| 00:16.21 | caphuso | cafuego: yes, /dev/random |
| 00:16.28 | shingouz | sineer a day off /dev/zero perhaps? |
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| 00:16.38 | cafuego | caphuso: maybe we should use urandom, that's better... |
| 00:16.38 | infodroid | sineer: also, /dev/urandom will be faster than /dev/random, but less random |
| 00:16.39 | sineer | shit that's forever |
| 00:16.53 | sineer | plus it'll physically exhaust the drive? |
| 00:16.56 | cafuego | shingouz: Nah, 120GB of /dev/zero will take an hour, tops. |
| 00:17.06 | caphuso | sineer: slow? by the time you're done nobody will be able to put that disk in any computer because everyone will have forgotten what IDE/SCSI/SATA were |
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| 00:17.14 | infodroid | sineer: have you seen DBAN http://dban.sourceforge.net/ |
| 00:17.16 | shingouz | sineer the /dev/zero is about the same as a low level format with the manufacturer formatter |
| 00:17.18 | cafuego | shingouz: Mine did close on 4gb in two minutes the other day. |
| 00:17.20 | trend | cafuego because there is no example in the manual for vncserver |
| 00:17.31 | trend | for inetd |
| 00:17.38 | cafuego | trend: Is it possibly to run it from inetd at all? |
| 00:17.40 | Draal | Question... If I download and install the stable distro of Debian, will I be able to easily upgrade it later to the latest unstable? |
| 00:17.44 | shingouz | cafuego k. you have to have some serious horsepower compared to me then :) |
| 00:17.46 | sineer | shingouz, cool thanks for the info :) |
| 00:17.51 | jetscreamer | i use the lowlevel formatting tools from the hd manuf, takes 1.2 hours +/-10% for a 20gb hd |
| 00:17.55 | sineer | caphuso, lol :) |
| 00:17.59 | cafuego | shingouz: for /dev/null all you need is a fast disk. |
| 00:18.11 | jetscreamer | ata66 |
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| 00:18.26 | trend | cafuego how do you start it? (if you use it).. I have seen examples using inetd.. but those examples do not work |
| 00:18.27 | cafuego | See, ata66 isn't fast ;-) |
| 00:18.38 | cafuego | trend: I start it once from the command line. |
| 00:18.47 | toresbe | cafuego: uh. /dev/null as an input doesn't work. |
| 00:18.48 | Draal | Answer me or I'll cry! |
| 00:18.55 | cafuego | toresbe: zero, i mean |
| 00:18.58 | sineer | I'll try dban mayb. thanks infodroid |
| 00:18.59 | jetscreamer | yes Draal |
| 00:19.01 | toresbe | cafuego: yeah. |
| 00:19.13 | Draal | Thank you. |
| 00:19.19 | maher | Draal: yes - but that's won't fix your hw compatibilty as fas as i can see |
| 00:19.24 | cafuego | You can link zero to null via dd if you need to burn cpu cycles ;-) |
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| 00:19.47 | toresbe | hehe |
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| 00:20.00 | Draal | I'll probably just grab the DVD release and work with that. |
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| 00:20.33 | sineer | I could fit entire Sarge on a single dual layer dvd :) |
| 00:20.49 | cafuego | sineer: What a waste |
| 00:20.51 | cavediver | Hi guys. I'm installing debian on my media pc. Hence I have only a tv connected and need to get X to work with tvout on my ATI rage 128. Can anyone help me out? |
| 00:21.05 | sineer | cafe_roy, true heh.. I just downloaded the first one |
| 00:21.06 | cafuego | !atitvout |
| 00:21.12 | cafuego | !lart sineer |
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| 00:21.20 | sineer | ouch |
| 00:21.30 | jetscreamer | Draal, you won't be happy with woody as a desktop btw |
| 00:21.56 | caphuso | i need a better APL book :-/ |
| 00:21.56 | cafuego | cavediver: You may need to check gatos.sourceforge.net if you need tvout on that card. |
| 00:21.59 | jetscreamer | well gui wise |
| 00:22.29 | cafuego | jetscreamer: Nuffin wrong wif fvwm2. |
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| 00:22.46 | cafuego | 'sbin working fine since '96 |
| 00:22.47 | Draal | Jet, why not? |
| 00:22.49 | staniel | would anyone be able to help me with Printing over Samba - it seems to be ridiculosly to print over the network |
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| 00:22.52 | Draal | You mean the GUI issue? |
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| 00:23.19 | speedy2782 | I am in need of some high level troubleshooting assistance |
| 00:23.38 | speedy2782 | it is involving ndiswrapper and bcmwl5a invalid driver! |
| 00:23.43 | jetscreamer | Draal, see what cafuego said, i was only referring to gnome and kde |
| 00:23.51 | jetscreamer | mostly gnome |
| 00:23.53 | shingouz | !tell speedy2782 about ask |
| 00:24.03 | cafuego | yes, 2.10 is nice. |
| 00:24.09 | mairu | !tell |
| 00:24.16 | jetscreamer | byebye |
| 00:24.20 | mairu | ouch |
| 00:25.12 | cavediver | cafuego: ok will have a look |
| 00:25.12 | Chameleon22 | can anyone suggest a nice scanner app for kde? |
| 00:25.48 | troubb | hi! anyone can help me with lmsensors? i have a via8237 motherboard with the sensor chip: w83627hf, i have all the modules needed on the kernel (2.6.10), but when i run "sensors" i gte this message: Either use the ddcmon driver instead of the eeprom driver, or run the decode-edid.pl script. i have run this script with no results, anyway, anyone knows where is the ddcmon driver? i searched in .config and i can't found it, thanks! |
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| 00:26.33 | MetaMorfozis | hi all |
| 00:26.38 | MetaMorfozis | van itt magyar< |
| 00:26.40 | MetaMorfozis | ? |
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| 00:26.45 | mairu | oops |
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| 00:27.01 | MetaMorfozis | please hel me |
| 00:27.11 | MetaMorfozis | my english grammar is bad, but Im hungarian |
| 00:27.31 | shingouz | we can live with a bit of bad grammar ;) |
| 00:27.34 | MetaMorfozis | i try debian first time, im a lamer i think so please help me |
| 00:27.48 | ningo | flibble |
| 00:28.05 | MetaMorfozis | shit, i cant write anz apostrof or smiles |
| 00:28.05 | ningo | !hungarian |
| 00:28.06 | shingouz | MetaMorfozis just ask, we might be able to help you |
| 00:28.10 | MetaMorfozis | first question |
| 00:28.11 | cafuego | Whoops, /var is full. |
| 00:28.14 | Chameleon22 | not lamer - noob, lamers are 3 doors down in windows channel |
| 00:28.16 | Chameleon22 | :p |
| 00:28.25 | mairu | lol |
| 00:28.28 | Ridley | lamer sounds bad, you're not lamer I think |
| 00:28.29 | MetaMorfozis | what can i set the cahracter set< |
| 00:28.30 | MetaMorfozis | ? |
| 00:28.37 | Ridley | yep Chameleon :P |
| 00:28.37 | speedy2782 | I am trying to load a motorola wn825g onto my dell inspiron 1000. I am running Linux laptop 2.6.10-4-686 #1 Sat Mar 12 11:12:34 GMT 2005 i686 GNU/Linux. after ndiswrapper -i driver.inf and modprobe I get error. FATAL: Error inserting ndiswrapper (/lib/modules/2.6.10-4-686/kernel/drivers/net/ndiswrapper/ndiswrapper.ko): Operation not permitted. I am at a loss. Any suggestions. |
| 00:28.47 | MetaMorfozis | i changed windows to deban mz dick is out win... |
| 00:28.53 | MetaMorfozis | (smile) |
| 00:28.56 | mairu | lol |
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| 00:29.02 | MetaMorfozis | so |
| 00:29.07 | MetaMorfozis | what can i set the cahracter set? |
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| 00:29.18 | MetaMorfozis | to hungarian... |
| 00:29.23 | MetaMorfozis | (smile) |
| 00:29.24 | shingouz | MetaMorfozis you mean youu want to get all kinds of nice characters like åäö? |
| 00:29.34 | MetaMorfozis | zes |
| 00:29.36 | MetaMorfozis | yes |
| 00:29.37 | MetaMorfozis | shit |
| 00:29.39 | MetaMorfozis | (lol) |
| 00:29.57 | MetaMorfozis | i want hungarian character set |
| 00:29.59 | MetaMorfozis | and kezmap |
| 00:30.12 | speedy2782 | I am trying to load a motorola wn825g onto my dell inspiron 1000. I am running Linux laptop 2.6.10-4-686 #1 Sat Mar 12 11:12:34 GMT 2005 i686 GNU/Linux. after ndiswrapper -i driver.inf and modprobe I get error. FATAL: Error inserting ndiswrapper (/lib/modules/2.6.10-4-686/kernel/drivers/net/ndiswrapper/ndiswrapper.ko): Operation not permitted. I am at a loss. Any suggestions. |
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| 00:30.20 | Ridley | you should have done that at the beginning of the installation process |
| 00:30.21 | shingouz | uhh.. sec, lemme check how it is done. dont ie a couple of times but it was a long time ago |
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| 00:30.40 | Ridley | personally dunno how to set it now. |
| 00:30.50 | cafuego | speedy2782: Run it as root. |
| 00:30.53 | MetaMorfozis | shingouz its for me? |
| 00:30.56 | jim | All: now check that out.... speedy2782 told a LOT of information, including versions of things and other stuff like that... people who want to ask help questions can learn from the fact he has provided a lot of info in his first contact question |
| 00:31.05 | shingouz | MetaMorfozis yes |
| 00:31.09 | MetaMorfozis | how do you speak? |
| 00:31.10 | MetaMorfozis | ok |
| 00:31.12 | MetaMorfozis | yes |
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| 00:31.26 | MetaMorfozis | thx i waiting... i cant do anything.( |
| 00:31.41 | speedy2782 | jim, actually someone sent me a message on how to post...after i posted a lame questions...but thanks for the compliment |
| 00:31.41 | MetaMorfozis | hohoo its a smile but mirrored ) |
| 00:31.54 | shingouz | MetaMorfozis try install-keymap. do a man on it first |
| 00:31.58 | speedy2782 | but nobody is able to help me still. regardless of how I ask |
| 00:32.05 | jim | speedy2782: ok, so second contact |
| 00:32.06 | ningo | MetaMorfozis, apt-get install language-env |
| 00:32.08 | jim | :) |
| 00:32.25 | ningo | then set-language-env -E |
| 00:32.30 | ningo | and choose hungarian |
| 00:32.42 | MetaMorfozis | moment |
| 00:32.45 | shingouz | MetaMorfozis i think ningo is a bit closer than i was ;) |
| 00:32.47 | speedy2782 | it does the exact same thing if I run sudo modprobe ndiswrapper |
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| 00:33.10 | jim | unfortunately I can't help in that area... wish I could. |
| 00:33.13 | speedy2782 | today is the third day that I have been attempting to get my wifi working |
| 00:33.26 | MetaMorfozis | its write to console< |
| 00:33.27 | speedy2782 | you can imagine that I am getting close to being a windows customer again |
| 00:33.28 | MetaMorfozis | ? |
| 00:33.33 | shingouz | speedy2782 you absolutely sure you have to use ndiswrapper? |
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| 00:33.38 | infodroid | speedy2782: is it a card or built in? some cards are just hopeless under linux... |
| 00:33.47 | jim | speedy2782: this is a laptop? |
| 00:33.48 | ningo | MetaMorfozis, yes write it to console |
| 00:33.52 | speedy2782 | it is a motorola wn825g |
| 00:33.54 | gridline | brb trying new kernel |
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| 00:33.59 | jim | not sure what that is |
| 00:34.05 | speedy2782 | from everything I have researched ndiswrapper is the only thing that will work |
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| 00:34.13 | ningo | and MetaMorfozis do apt-get install localeconf |
| 00:34.29 | MetaMorfozis | i want to login root... |
| 00:34.35 | ningo | su - |
| 00:34.50 | MetaMorfozis | i dont readthe upper textst sorrz im in other windows(smile) |
| 00:34.56 | Ridley | then logout, and after logout login as root :P |
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| 00:35.03 | shingouz | MetaMorfozis use su |
| 00:35.09 | MetaMorfozis | in terminal< |
| 00:35.09 | jim | ok, so you have the dell ins. 1000 and you're trying to use this device... is it a pcmcia card? |
| 00:35.10 | MetaMorfozis | ? |
| 00:35.20 | MetaMorfozis | zes |
| 00:35.21 | ningo | yes |
| 00:35.22 | MetaMorfozis | gooz |
| 00:35.24 | ningo | in terminal |
| 00:35.28 | ningo | terminal good. |
| 00:35.38 | speedy2782 | jim: yes |
| 00:35.43 | speedy2782 | pcmcia card |
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| 00:35.59 | scorpix_ | how can i make incremental backup for /home/user using tar and exclude hidden files? |
| 00:36.10 | speedy2782 | how do I uninstall ndiswrapper |
| 00:36.21 | speedy2782 | i am goign to attempt to do this from the start one more time |
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| 00:36.51 | krumn | hi |
| 00:36.52 | krumn | how i can remove the white screen thet it appears sometimes in GNU screen?. eg: when i press tab in bash |
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| 00:37.22 | shingouz | not with kismet |
| 00:37.29 | DJ-KING | how can i disable some service from the startup ? |
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| 00:37.47 | donius | hi again. when i change perms for /dev/snd to grp audio, on reboot it gets altered back to /grp root. running sarge 2.6.x w/ custom kernel (2.6.11) what part of debian is altering this back? |
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| 00:38.11 | scorpix_ | DJ-KING: rename the with adding _ in /etc/rc3.d/ |
| 00:38.17 | jim | speedy2782, ok, the first thing you want to do is make sure you have a driver that works with the card |
| 00:38.37 | Ridley | uhm, let's try a curious question: if you had to choose a boot manager, what would you choose between Grub and LILO? |
| 00:38.59 | findme | grub |
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| 00:39.07 | infodroid | donius: my /dev/snd folder is root:root |
| 00:39.07 | green_earz | grub |
| 00:39.07 | speedy2782 | Maybe I am mentally impaired. would someone mind telling me the driver I should get for a wn825g. just to double check |
| 00:39.09 | Ridley | I'm reinstalling for the n-th time debian. |
| 00:39.12 | Ridley | uhm |
| 00:39.25 | Biovore | why so many? |
| 00:39.41 | Ridley | and what if you had just tried to upgrade your kernel and failed? |
| 00:39.45 | Ridley | well Biovore |
| 00:39.52 | scorpix_ | DJ-KING: scorpix@ubuntu:/etc/rc2.d$ mv S19cupsys _S19cupsys |
| 00:39.53 | Biovore | boot diskit |
| 00:40.01 | Ridley | I'm trying to build a 2.6.11.2 |
| 00:40.01 | Biovore | and rebuild the kernel again |
| 00:40.10 | green_earz | Ridley: grub with kernel installs it works well |
| 00:40.17 | Ridley | eheheh |
| 00:40.19 | Ridley | green_earz |
| 00:40.30 | Ridley | I've noticed that it updates itself automatically |
| 00:40.32 | jim | Ridley: depends on a few things... see, grub has things that know how particular file systems work, for the purpose of accessing a file by name (for example /vmlinuz) |
| 00:40.37 | Biovore | you building from scratch, the kernel? |
| 00:40.37 | Ridley | when you install a new kernel |
| 00:40.45 | Ridley | I compiled that using a guide |
| 00:40.51 | Ridley | I show you |
| 00:40.57 | Ridley | my questions of some minutes ago again: |
| 00:41.05 | Ridley | folks, I've just tried to compile a 2.6.11.2 kernel following a short guide... compiled with a "fakeroot make-kpkg --revision=custom.1.0 kernel_image" command, installed with "dpkg -i imagename.deb" followed by "mkinitrd -o initrd.img-2.6.11.2 2.6.11.2", Grub shows automatically the new kernel as on-boot choice, but... it ends in a black screen. |
| 00:41.17 | Ridley | this is the problem. |
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| 00:41.39 | Ridley | now I'm reinstalling to retry. |
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| 00:41.54 | infodroid | Ridley: did you do "update-grub" and double-check the symlinks in / ? |
| 00:42.01 | Azar | hello honorables |
| 00:42.06 | Ridley | wow, no :°D |
| 00:42.20 | Ridley | could you explain me what to do exactly? |
| 00:42.28 | calin | What can I used in bash to tell what the size of a file in in the best-presentable terms? like instead of 1000kB it's 1MB |
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| 00:42.40 | Biovore | you your making a custom kernel, I wouldn't do that way |
| 00:42.44 | Azar | Nero-Linux has arrived |
| 00:42.44 | DJ-KING | scorpix_: i did that already , but i i have been seeing the same thing |
| 00:42.47 | green_earz | Ridley: did you use make oldconfig |
| 00:42.55 | jim | whereas lilo uses the smarts of linux (to understand filesystem innards) to come up with a list of physical disk blocks to read in on boot |
| 00:42.57 | Biovore | Nero-Linux? |
| 00:42.57 | DJ-KING | scorpix_: dunno if it is gonna work or not |
| 00:42.59 | Ridley | I used |
| 00:43.03 | Ridley | make menuconfig |
| 00:43.07 | Azar | Biovore, yes |
| 00:43.09 | Ridley | loaded the old config |
| 00:43.12 | jim | Ridley: understand how each might work? |
| 00:43.13 | Ridley | and saved it again |
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| 00:43.24 | scorpix_ | DJ-KING: it worked with me |
| 00:43.37 | Azar | Biovore: http://www.nero.com/NeroLINUX.html |
| 00:43.37 | MetaMorfozis | thanx shou* púőúéáóóö |
| 00:43.40 | MetaMorfozis | :) |
| 00:43.46 | DJ-KING | scorpix_: thanks anyway |
| 00:43.52 | Ridley | nice MetaMorfozis :D |
| 00:43.59 | MetaMorfozis | :D |
| 00:44.02 | Ridley | jim, sorry, I didn't understand you |
| 00:44.09 | Ridley | btw, I'm Italian |
| 00:44.26 | Ridley | excuse me if I'm slow to understand or explain :| |
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| 00:44.28 | Azar | however, unfortunately it is using GTK+ 1.2x instead of 2.x |
| 00:44.53 | green_earz | Ridley: to use the old .config you need to use make oldconfig first before make menuconfig |
| 00:45.10 | Ridley | no green... thanks! |
| 00:45.22 | Ridley | I'm writing down all your suggestions |
| 00:45.24 | speedy2782 | root@laptop:/home/benjamin # sudo ndiswrapper -i /home/benjamin/bcmwl5a.inf |
| 00:45.24 | speedy2782 | Installing bcmwl5a |
| 00:45.24 | speedy2782 | Forcing parameter RadioState|0 to RadioState|1 |
| 00:45.24 | speedy2782 | root@laptop:/home/benjamin # sudo modprobe ndiswrapper |
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| 00:45.48 | unicode | hi |
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| 00:45.54 | unicode | how do i startx automatic? |
| 00:45.54 | sussudio | !sing sunday |
| 00:46.03 | Ridley | it's 1:45 a.m here, I'll do my experients later (after sleeping a bit :D) |
| 00:46.06 | speedy2782 | so how do I deal with that problem |
| 00:46.06 | calin | !dance |
| 00:46.13 | sussudio | :-| |
| 00:46.21 | speedy2782 | #flood root@laptop:/home/benjamin # sudo ndiswrapper -i /home/benjamin/bcmwl5a.inf |
| 00:46.21 | speedy2782 | Installing bcmwl5a |
| 00:46.21 | speedy2782 | Forcing parameter RadioState|0 to RadioState|1 |
| 00:46.21 | speedy2782 | root@laptop:/home/benjamin # sudo modprobe ndiswrapper |
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| 00:46.26 | sussudio | fucking moron |
| 00:46.26 | Azar | wow it goes with 3.0 Woody too! |
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| 00:46.43 | sussudio | speedy2782: stop pasting you halfwit |
| 00:46.59 | unicode | how do i start x automatic? |
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| 00:47.05 | unicode | can someone helps me pls |
| 00:47.06 | DJ-KING | scorpix_: #apt-get install rcconf |
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| 00:47.11 | sussudio | !test |
| 00:47.20 | DJ-KING | scorpix_: ;) |
| 00:47.20 | calin | dpkg, dance is <reply> o\-< o/-< o|-< o:-< |
| 00:47.27 | calin | wait |
| 00:47.29 | calin | where is dpkg? |
| 00:47.39 | Servo888 | Can you define a second gateway in the networking config? |
| 00:47.50 | calin | dpkg dance is <reply> o\-< o/-< o|-< o:-< |
| 00:47.57 | Azar | Servo888, that info you get it from your ISP |
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| 00:48.19 | Azar | Servo888 it is primary and secondary DNS IP's |
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| 00:48.40 | selam_ | hi all |
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| 00:48.49 | green_earz | unicode: do you have xdm or gdm or kdm installed ? login manigers |
| 00:48.51 | scorpix_ | DJ-KING: you just want to stop the service now, or stop it for the next boot? |
| 00:49.02 | Servo888 | Azar, no I mean I have two nics, on two networks, both use gateways. I want to use eth0 on the first gateway and eth1 on the second, I'm wondering what I would need to do that |
| 00:49.10 | sussudio | dondelelcaro: i think dpkg is dead again |
| 00:49.23 | cafuego | so is apt |
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| 00:49.24 | unicode | xmd |
| 00:49.38 | sussudio | ~test |
| 00:49.39 | apt | Test Failed! |
| 00:49.43 | sussudio | @test |
| 00:49.44 | ravenbird | Yes, sussudio, you're still online. |
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| 00:49.49 | Azar | Servo888 a router would come to mind |
| 00:49.50 | sussudio | mkay. |
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| 00:49.56 | cafuego | Well well, apt is just ignorimg msgs then. |
| 00:50.18 | Azar | hi cafuego :) |
| 00:50.21 | Servo888 | Azar, hmm, maybe some routing software |
| 00:50.23 | jim | Ridley, ok,,,, question: how do you think linux or any operating system finds where an object is located on a disk? |
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| 00:50.43 | green_earz | unicode: do you get the login promtp from xdm ? can your xserver fire up ? |
| 00:50.54 | vladster | I have a problem getting ogle to work, ogle keep exiting with the error ifoOpenVTSI failed ctrl: ipc_rmid: Invalid argument |
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| 00:51.17 | Servo888 | Azar, thanks for the info, I'll do some googleing around and see what I can fine |
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| 00:51.26 | Ridley | jim, dunno |
| 00:51.28 | Azar | Servo888 good luck |
| 00:51.30 | DJ-KING | scorpix_: i know how to do both bro , but i just wanted to make sure that what i am doing from the command line ( /etc/rc3.d/ ) is same as what rcconf does |
| 00:51.30 | SniperX[win] | anyone know howto setup the ipmasq package? |
| 00:51.35 | Ridley | scanning directories until they find it? :°D |
| 00:51.39 | DJ-KING | scorpix_: thanks for your care anyway |
| 00:52.19 | jim | Ridley: OK,,, are you aware that linux (for one example of operating system) can use more than one kind of file system (like ext2, reiser, xfs, others)? |
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| 00:52.34 | Ridley | yes :D |
| 00:52.41 | Ridley | I use reiserFS |
| 00:52.43 | SniperX[win] | Can anyone in this channel setup IPMASQ ? |
| 00:52.44 | Ridley | personally. |
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| 00:52.55 | PabloEscobar | can someone recommend an efficient "du" usage so I can see the biggest files on my system? |
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| 00:53.46 | jim | Ridley: history: first, linux only knew minix fs, then ext1, ext2, xiafs, then maybe reiser came after that |
| 00:54.13 | Ridley | yep |
| 00:54.16 | jim | so there was a linux that couldn't understand even ext2 |
| 00:54.20 | dogmeat | how can i create a dual booting debian install? install other os first then debian, or other way around? |
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| 00:54.21 | badgers | Okay, I'm here. (courtesy of sussudio) |
| 00:54.29 | sussudio | !test |
| 00:54.29 | badgers | Yes, sussudio, you're still online. |
| 00:54.36 | jim | and later came linuxes that can |
| 00:54.47 | jim | how do you suppose that came to be? |
| 00:54.55 | Ridley | eheh jim, no idea :) |
| 00:54.58 | infodroid | dogmeat: make sure the other os doesn't overwrite your mbr |
| 00:55.02 | jim | they wrote code! |
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| 00:55.13 | Ridley | well, this is obvious |
| 00:55.14 | Ridley | :P |
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| 00:55.35 | jim | well, I'm obvious guy... so at this level that's what I'm talkin about :) |
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| 00:56.01 | findme | PabloEscobar,du -k| nawk '{print $1}' | sort -n |
| 00:56.03 | Scrape | Anyone know where I can find a good howto covering ldapdns? |
| 00:56.09 | Ridley | I know you're trying to take me somewhere |
| 00:56.13 | rasa | PabloEscobar: cd / ; du | sort -nr | less |
| 00:56.15 | Ridley | I just don't know where :D |
| 00:56.24 | jim | blan blah garden path blah |
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| 00:56.31 | jim | yep :) |
| 00:56.44 | Azar | .."Naturally, any tool for getting rid of bugs in your program is called a "debugger". Mundanely enough, the corresponding tool for putting bugs in your program is called a "programmer" ". |
| 00:56.49 | jim | look at what lilo does: |
| 00:56.58 | Dumpy | n> n0mad5000: shutdown -h -t 3600 & env-update && etc-update |
| 00:56.58 | Dumpy | [19:56] <PabloEscobar> tecnico, no |
| 00:56.58 | Dumpy | [19:56] <@mbishop> Dumpy: lose the caps and quit babbling |
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| 00:57.28 | Azar | lol |
| 00:57.32 | jim | when you tell lilo "Install yourself so that next time you boot linux"... |
| 00:57.51 | jim | lilo installer runs IN THE LINUX OS ENVIRONMENT |
| 00:57.54 | sussudio | !aolify apt |
| 00:57.58 | jim | understand that part? |
| 00:58.00 | Azar | hi jim |
| 00:58.07 | jim | Heya Azar |
| 00:58.11 | Ridley | yes! |
| 00:58.19 | SniperX[win] | !help |
| 00:58.40 | PabloEscobar | findme, what does the nawk do? |
| 00:58.56 | jim | Ridley: THEREFORE lilo installer has the opportunity to ask linux "Give me entire physical location of _____ file" |
| 00:59.16 | jim | understand that part? |
| 00:59.25 | findme | PabloEscobar, gives you the numerics for example "200 abc.txt" nawk was used to extract 200. |
| 00:59.26 | Ridley | yep :°D |
| 00:59.34 | SniperX[win] | I need help configuring the IPMASQ pakagage |
| 00:59.39 | SniperX[win] | can someone please assist me |
| 00:59.58 | jim | what lilo installer does next is it takes that physical location and stores it in the thing it installs |
| 01:00.00 | PabloEscobar | findme, don't get its application here.. and when i issue that... i get a > prompt |
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| 01:00.06 | findme | PabloEscobar, du -k| sort -nr|more <---this is better |
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| 01:00.30 | SniperX[win] | !dpkg |
| 01:00.30 | badgers | methinks dpkg is the debian package manager, sort of like the debian equivalent to rpm. a blootbot on #debian, or a bloodbot on #crack |
| 01:00.35 | SniperX[win] | !dpkg ipmasq |
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| 01:00.51 | jim | so that when you boot, the lilo booter/loader gets that physical location INDEPENDENT OF what kind of file system the file is on |
| 01:00.57 | rasa | PabloEscobar: more or less :) |
| 01:01.02 | Ridley | yes. |
| 01:01.04 | jim | there are advantages and disadvantages to this |
| 01:01.21 | Azar | SniperX[win] use /msg dpkg "your-term-here" |
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| 01:01.30 | jan_ | Hi i'm trying to get my linux users out of LDAP, in some howto i found to change the /etc/nsswitch.conf file, there should be: passwd: file ldap , the default value is passwd: compat , but i can't find 'compat' anywhere in the doc's ??? |
| 01:01.38 | shingouz | dpkg seems to be awol at the moment |
| 01:01.41 | jim | one advantage: the code that inows how to get file's physical location given file name is NOT needed at boot |
| 01:02.03 | Ridley | yeah |
| 01:02.21 | Azar | um there was another bot as well around |
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| 01:02.47 | cafuego | apkg/apt/ravenbird/debhelper |
| 01:02.49 | Azar | use /msg apt |
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| 01:03.00 | jim | one disadvantage: if the file that is booted is rewritten, its physical location changes (very very likely anyway), and the physical location in the lilo booter/loader is therefore rendered invalid |
| 01:03.11 | c4_ | hehe i have direct rendering with xorg and 960 fpu glxgears |
| 01:03.15 | jim | that's easily dealt with however... |
| 01:03.21 | jim | just run lilo installer again |
| 01:03.24 | cafuego | c4_: only 960? |
| 01:03.29 | c4_ | all on my own |
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| 01:03.53 | c4_ | cafuego: he! my board doesn't have fan and discipator |
| 01:04.00 | jim | got al that part? |
| 01:04.08 | Azar | but jim, can we create an archive of kernels in lilo and use only the one set in Default? |
| 01:04.16 | Ridley | yes! |
| 01:04.16 | cafuego | c4_: so? just coz my board has 4 doesn't mean you can have any ;-) |
| 01:04.18 | jim | sure |
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| 01:04.26 | Azar | jim, thanks :) |
| 01:04.32 | c4_ | hehe 4!! |
| 01:04.37 | jim | umm, be back in about 5 mins |
| 01:04.39 | cafuego | c4_: Nah, just the 1. |
| 01:05.53 | c4_ | cafuego: i'm searching less than 1MB space for publishing the success (some without a lot of adds?) |
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| 01:07.09 | c4_ | cafuego: i only know freeserver, but something into debian or more linux stile |
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| 01:08.14 | drini | how do I use the bot to see what package includes lsusb program ? |
| 01:08.31 | astronut | Where does firefox save state info on linux? (Open task panes, window position, etc) |
| 01:08.38 | astronut | drini: apt-file search lsusb |
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| 01:08.50 | drini | even if lsusb is not installed? |
| 01:09.00 | shingouz | drini yes |
| 01:09.01 | astronut | drini: it has all packages |
| 01:09.04 | drini | thanks |
| 01:09.05 | maher | drini: yes - but also /msg dpkg find lsusb |
| 01:09.26 | shingouz | not dpkg tonight, msg apt |
| 01:09.31 | drini | apt-file isn't installed ;) |
| 01:09.31 | drini | ok |
| 01:09.32 | markmrd | hi - does anyone know which file you have to modify to make sure /dev/psaux is loaded when linux boots? I have the psaux loaded as a module in my kernel and X is failing because /dev/psaux cannot be found, any ideas? |
| 01:09.39 | gravity | astronut: What do you mean? In memory? |
| 01:09.56 | astronut | gravity: between session |
| 01:09.57 | astronut | s |
| 01:10.07 | astronut | like, it remembers maximized/not maximized, what sidebar was open, etc |
| 01:10.13 | sussudio | !do shingouz |
| 01:10.14 | gravity | astronut: Probably in ~/.firefox somewhere, although I couldn't tell you where |
| 01:10.20 | shingouz | drini apt-cache search foo (but that does not find lsusb, i tried) |
| 01:10.29 | astronut | ya... i figured that too ;-) |
| 01:10.42 | gravity | astronut: Wish I could help you more :-) |
| 01:10.49 | shingouz | sussudio huh? |
| 01:11.09 | sussudio | shingouz: badgers. |
| 01:11.16 | astronut | gravity: 'sokay |
| 01:11.19 | astronut | my problem finally fixed itself |
| 01:11.20 | maher | astronut: try lsof | grep firefox |
| 01:11.27 | astronut | maher: not a bad idea |
| 01:11.29 | meds | phil collins |
| 01:11.32 | astronut | but i wouldn't know which it was |
| 01:11.32 | shingouz | sussudio is that what dpkg is calling himself tonight then? |
| 01:11.40 | astronut | drini: usbutils |
| 01:11.46 | sussudio | shingouz: badgers has the same config and database as dpkg |
| 01:11.53 | shingouz | ok, thanks |
| 01:11.54 | jim | badgers: who do you do? |
| 01:11.54 | badgers | jim: I wish you would RTFM. |
| 01:11.54 | sussudio | unlike apt :-| |
| 01:12.01 | gravity | Same trigger too, which is weird |
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| 01:12.06 | puppet | why have i forgot all? :s |
| 01:12.11 | sussudio | gravity: dpkg's dead |
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| 01:12.13 | astronut | astronut@debian:~$ apt-file search lsusb |
| 01:12.14 | astronut | usbutils: usr/bin/lsusb |
| 01:12.14 | astronut | usbutils: usr/sbin/lsusb |
| 01:12.16 | puppet | a name of a basic shell window for x windows? |
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| 01:12.17 | gravity | sussudio: Really? Why? |
| 01:12.19 | maher | markmrd: put psaux in /etc/modules |
| 01:12.19 | runedude | What's the latest kernel for sarge? :P |
| 01:12.25 | astronut | dpkg died?!? |
| 01:12.26 | Ridley | 2.6.8 |
| 01:12.28 | sussudio | gravity: dunno, it's been doing that a few times lately |
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| 01:12.30 | astronut | who killed him? |
| 01:12.32 | gravity | puppet: twm? |
| 01:12.34 | astronut | Bring out your dead... |
| 01:12.37 | jim | runedude: whichever one you build |
| 01:12.40 | gravity | sussudio: Weird |
| 01:12.43 | markmrd | anyone know what command you need to type to find files that reference /dev/psaux inside them? |
| 01:12.43 | Ridley | lol jim |
| 01:12.46 | puppet | gravity: not window mananger |
| 01:12.49 | puppet | gravity: for bash etc |
| 01:12.57 | gravity | puppet: xterm? |
| 01:12.57 | sussudio | gravity: some perl fuckage according to dondelelcaro |
| 01:13.01 | astronut | markmrd: modprobe psmouse? |
| 01:13.02 | Thaiger | Does anyone know where I could get a stylized japanese font for linux? |
| 01:13.03 | gravity | sussudio: Ah, ok |
| 01:13.05 | runedude | is 2.4.27-speakup the latest? |
| 01:13.15 | Ridley | no runedude |
| 01:13.24 | Ridley | the latest included is 2.6.8 |
| 01:13.25 | puppet | thanks ;) |
| 01:13.32 | runedude | for sarge? |
| 01:13.38 | Ridley | 2.6.8-2 |
| 01:13.39 | green_earz | markmrd: /etc/X11/XF86Config-4 or use dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xfree86 |
| 01:13.42 | Ridley | yep, sarge. |
| 01:13.47 | runedude | ah, how do I upgrade? :P |
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| 01:13.56 | runedude | apt-get install kernel-2.6.8-2 ? |
| 01:14.03 | Ridley | you can select it for your installation |
| 01:14.13 | astronut | my sarge box uses grub, but this box uses lilo |
| 01:14.16 | runedude | What if I don't have the installation cd anymore? |
| 01:14.16 | Ridley | by typing linux26 or expert26 |
| 01:14.17 | jim | Ridley: also, lilo has a fairly limited facility that's sort of shell-like in that you can choose existing boot stanza/concepts (by their name) and supply kernel parameters to be read on boot |
| 01:14.19 | Ridley | on boot |
| 01:14.29 | Ridley | when you put your ISO in. |
| 01:14.31 | astronut | if i install grub, will dpkg -i <kernel-image> use grub automatically or still try for lilo? |
| 01:14.33 | try_catch_this | does the openoffice 2 beta have any major bugs? |
| 01:15.01 | jim | astronut: either/both |
| 01:15.04 | jim | sorta |
| 01:15.11 | Ridley | jim, doesn't the "grub" command do a similar thing? |
| 01:15.17 | jim | yes |
| 01:15.23 | jim | I'm getting there :) |
| 01:15.27 | Ridley | ok, saw it a few minutes ago :D |
| 01:15.35 | jim | so now let's talk about grub |
| 01:15.36 | Ridley | ehehe nice, I'm listening. |
| 01:15.38 | astronut | ok |
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| 01:15.54 | astronut | i've never used it (other than the fact my sarge box has it)....i rarely if ever reboot that thing |
| 01:16.00 | jim | grub can use the SAME TECHNOLOGY to load files at boot that lilo does |
| 01:16.21 | astronut | ...why the emphasis? |
| 01:16.21 | jim | but it doesn't have to use that, there are at least two other mechanisms |
| 01:16.33 | astronut | ok..... let me put it this way |
| 01:16.45 | Azar | jim I was looking at the grub conf I am a little shy is somehow different than lilo which I am used to |
| 01:16.47 | astronut | will i have to manually rewrite a conf if i upgrade kernel using make-kpkg and dpkg? or will it do it for me? |
| 01:17.03 | caphuso | astronut: read /usr/share/doc/grub/README.Debian.gz |
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| 01:17.12 | Ridley | uhm :) |
| 01:17.43 | astronut | caphuso: sarge version is close enoguh even though i'm talking abotu sid box? |
| 01:17.47 | jim | astronut: no, assuming your configuration is set, it will do it for you.... however I use a different concept and -I- -do- have to alter my config |
| 01:17.48 | Azar | maybe grub will do the auto configuration after a kernel upgrade.. |
| 01:17.54 | caphuso | astronut: should be |
| 01:18.01 | astronut | jim: what sort of options? |
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| 01:18.17 | jim | let me get there :) I'm in the middle of a longwinded thing |
| 01:18.28 | Ridley | hey, I've started up a cool lesson |
| 01:18.28 | Ridley | :D |
| 01:18.37 | Ridley | eheheh jim. |
| 01:19.06 | jim | moooooooooo |
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| 01:19.20 | JKnife | i forgot how to set up the X server |
| 01:19.22 | jim | oops, I can't type as a steerf |
| 01:19.25 | rasa | using the 5-mar daily of sarge-i386-netinst.iso i successfully installed LVM over software RAID 1, when I first boot, I get tons of "devfs_mk_dir: invalid argument. <4>devfs_mk_dev: could not append to parent for disc", yet it boots fine. Can I safely ignore these messages? |
| 01:19.25 | caphuso | JKnife: dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xfree86 |
| 01:19.33 | digital_ | gn :) |
| 01:19.34 | JKnife | k |
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| 01:20.52 | Ridley | uhhahaha jim |
| 01:20.57 | jim | ok, overall grub can use I think one of three mechanisms to load files... one, it can store and read a file's physical location (this is exactly like lilo) and read the file where it is according to the physical location |
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| 01:21.20 | Ridley | yep |
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| 01:21.46 | jim | second, it can use a "chainloader" idea, which I think lilo can also, where a boot object is written near the beginning of the partition |
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| 01:22.31 | mairu | i'm creating an ext3 partition from windows, do i have to worry about any swap partition? |
| 01:22.43 | JKnife | yes |
| 01:22.49 | jim | third, it can read a much larger part of itself that knows how to produce physical locations of files given their name (this is exactly like what linux does when it reads files for whatever purpose) |
| 01:23.16 | mairu | using partition manager, thought it created the swap automatically |
| 01:23.37 | jim | in order to read this much larger thing (that has the filesystem code in it), it uses one of the other two mechanisms to read it in at boot time |
| 01:23.45 | Azar | mairu swap is needed leave it as it is given to you |
| 01:23.59 | jim | understand that part? |
| 01:24.02 | astronut | give or take |
| 01:24.07 | mairu | azar: it is not given to me anywhere yet. |
| 01:24.14 | Azar | jim I am following trying to make a mental picture |
| 01:24.19 | astronut | ok, lilo for me, i have a conf, that has 2 symlinks in / that point to 2 kernels in /boot |
| 01:24.23 | astronut | can i make grub use that? |
| 01:24.26 | Ridley | yes jim! |
| 01:24.43 | Azar | mairu, yes you do need to do a swap |
| 01:24.47 | sussudio | Azar: like a mental picture of shagging badgers? |
| 01:25.01 | gravity | ew |
| 01:25.02 | mairu | azar: how much? 2 GB good? |
| 01:25.10 | sussudio | holy crap! badgers! |
| 01:25.13 | Azar | hey guys, it is my first "look" at grub |
| 01:25.16 | mairu | ew |
| 01:25.17 | jim | astronut: I do something like that, I tell lilo or grub to use directly the files in /boot (instead of creating symlink) |
| 01:25.17 | shakparl | badger badger |
| 01:25.19 | gravity | Holeeeeee crap! |
| 01:25.26 | astronut | jim: but i can do symlinks? |
| 01:25.27 | Biovore | sick |
| 01:25.35 | Azar | mairu the system will automatically allocate space for swap |
| 01:25.45 | astronut | then dpkg will update those (half the time, not if i'm going between 2 compiles of same version) |
| 01:25.45 | jim | gravity: yes, crap does have holes if you look at it closely enough... |
| 01:26.26 | Ridley | jim, that part about symlink is interesting for me... due to the fact that someone told me about symlink before, and I have no idea of what it is/how I use it |
| 01:26.28 | Ridley | :P |
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| 01:26.58 | mairu | there's a potential badger for the job: http://www.furry.org.au/badger/gallery/w_badger.jpg |
| 01:27.01 | Azar | jim I think I have same setting in lilo for /boot |
| 01:27.17 | Azar | mairu that is way too much for me, thank you |
| 01:27.27 | jim | astronut: sure, but remember that symlinks can point to a file or dir in a different filesystem than the one the symlink is stored in |
| 01:27.35 | mairu | heh |
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| 01:27.43 | maher | mairu: that is distubing |
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| 01:27.57 | astronut | jim: in this case they don't |
| 01:28.04 | astronut | would that be the default conf for grub if i apt-get install it? |
| 01:28.05 | Patrick_ | 25 reboots later, and I'm using reiser |
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| 01:28.07 | Patrick_ | woo! |
| 01:28.11 | markmrd | when I build a new kernel do I need to do the make modules make modules_install thing? |
| 01:28.15 | jim | Oh man! why do I have four eyes?! |
| 01:28.23 | shakparl | to see two more badgers |
| 01:28.25 | Patrick_ | ok, next question. Where does debian keep information about which package lists are up to date or not? |
| 01:28.28 | astronut | markmrd: build with make-kpkg |
| 01:28.32 | jim | oh, that explains it |
| 01:28.32 | Azar | :) |
| 01:28.36 | Patrick_ | I want to share it over nfs like I did with the package cache |
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| 01:28.46 | Patrick_ | so that apt-get update works on all machines |
| 01:28.47 | astronut | Patrick_: uhmm...all mirrors should be up to date? i dunno |
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| 01:29.09 | ARCh1V1St | has anyone here been able to get debian packages kismet/gpsd to work, displaying gps cordinates in kismet??? |
| 01:29.26 | Patrick_ | because I was apt-get updating one one machine, and then when I did apt-get update on the other machines, it downloaded the same file lists again |
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| 01:29.31 | ARCh1V1St | my gps connects when launching kismet, and then immediately reports 'lost gps signal' |
| 01:29.32 | Patrick_ | I have /var/cache/apt shared out |
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| 01:29.43 | astronut | hmm |
| 01:29.44 | jim | ok, anyway... so far, the thing that grub has that lilo does not, is the ability to find files by name at -boot- time |
| 01:29.47 | MetaMorfozis | hi all again |
| 01:29.48 | MetaMorfozis | :D |
| 01:29.51 | ARCh1V1St | everything else works with gpsd though, and gpsdrive |
| 01:30.02 | MetaMorfozis | can help me anyone to set up the printer? |
| 01:30.06 | astronut | Patrick`: perhaps set up a box as a mirror? have it get the lists, and all the others get thier lists from it |
| 01:30.15 | MetaMorfozis | the printer is my server, 192.168.0.1/nyomtato and its a hp 1010 |
| 01:30.22 | Ridley | ok, gotcha |
| 01:30.23 | Ridley | :) |
| 01:30.23 | Patrick` | astronut: not worth it, I only have 2 boxes |
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| 01:30.35 | Patrick` | I suppose what you say is technically true |
| 01:30.40 | Azar | jim: interesting I will try it (grub) soon, at my new reinstall |
| 01:30.46 | Patrick` | but I'd like it to just automatically work |
| 01:30.49 | MetaMorfozis | the printer is _IN_ my server, 192.168.0.1/nyomtato and its a hp 1010 |
| 01:30.50 | MetaMorfozis | :D |
| 01:31.01 | shakparl | printtool is pretty easy |
| 01:31.05 | jim | the other thing that grub has is a shell-like environment, but it's much more featureful than lilo is, for example it's possible to boot from grub shell when you have not yet configured grub |
| 01:31.10 | MetaMorfozis | but it's dont add |
| 01:31.10 | Patrick` | hmmmmmm |
| 01:31.16 | MetaMorfozis | i test it hundreds |
| 01:31.19 | MetaMorfozis | and dont add my printer |
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| 01:31.40 | gravity | MetaMorfozis: How are you adding your printer? |
| 01:31.41 | MetaMorfozis | foomatic-gui |
| 01:31.43 | MetaMorfozis | ? |
| 01:31.45 | gravity | ok |
| 01:31.51 | Azar | jim I would like to read it all about grub, any good site to get documentation? |
| 01:31.52 | MetaMorfozis | ok |
| 01:32.10 | jim | during this whole discussion, when I mention lilo I mean the first one, I hear there is a lilo2, and I don't know anything about that |
| 01:32.54 | gravity | MetaMorfozis: You may just want to try the cups web interface to add the printer. It's generally worked well enough for me |
| 01:32.56 | jim | Azar: I found stuff with google and also looked in the upstream source distribution of grub |
| 01:33.03 | gravity | MetaMorfozis: Check the CUPS administration documentation for how to do that |
| 01:33.03 | kalelme | hello to all, |
| 01:33.18 | MetaMorfozis | CUPs? what is that |
| 01:33.18 | Azar | jim in all those 2 years I am trying to learn Debian I never used grub, but I also never had one single crash |
| 01:33.32 | MetaMorfozis | i'm a lamer i was speaked it.) |
| 01:33.43 | gravity | MetaMorfozis: www.cups.org |
| 01:33.45 | debian | I've installed alsa, but I can't seem to volume control with Kmix... this isn't normal. |
| 01:33.46 | Azar | jim, ok I will look for documentation |
| 01:33.48 | MetaMorfozis | oh, thanx |
| 01:34.03 | Ridley | I doubt grub/lilo can be involved in crash issues |
| 01:34.03 | Azar | debian try xmms, I love it |
| 01:34.09 | kalelme | i have a thinkpand 600e with sarge and the kernel 2.6.10 with the alsa-driver compile in modules and configurated but the sound not work and can help me? |
| 01:34.15 | jim | but one thing about grub shell, you can hit tab key and have it show you possible completions, like drives, devices, files, commands |
| 01:34.23 | phogg | debian try alsamixer |
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| 01:35.05 | jim | that's pretty much it for an overview of some of the differences and similarities between lilo and grub |
| 01:35.13 | Azar | jim is grub as easily editable as lilo is? |
| 01:35.21 | jim | yes |
| 01:35.51 | jim | in fact you usually don't have to reinstall grub just because you compiled a new kernel |
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| 01:36.08 | Ridley | jim |
| 01:36.11 | Ridley | are you telling me |
| 01:36.21 | jim | and you don't even have to reinstall grub just because you alter the configuration |
| 01:36.32 | Ridley | that everytime I use tab for name completition |
| 01:36.35 | jim | well not always |
| 01:36.41 | Ridley | it's grub doing it? |
| 01:36.45 | jim | no! |
| 01:36.48 | Ridley | ah! |
| 01:36.54 | Ridley | sounded strange :°D |
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| 01:37.12 | Azar | jim you do not have to go and tell grub that the original kernel should be archived then use the new kernel you just installed and compiled? |
| 01:37.16 | jim | but I'm telling you that the -grub shell- has a fairly comprehensive set of completions available |
| 01:38.21 | jim | Azar: the debian packager does that usually... but, the debian package of grub has a command update-grub (I think it's called that) which looks for kernels and writes a config file |
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| 01:38.51 | kalelme | i have a thinkpand 600e with sarge and the kernel 2.6.10 with the alsa-driver compile in modules and configurated but the sound not work any can help me? |
| 01:39.01 | Chameleon22 | can some one go to fuzzyit.com and tell me if they see anything or get an error? |
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| 01:39.11 | jim | so if you have a new kernel that was installed in /boot, update-grub should find it and arrange that it can be booted |
| 01:39.12 | gridline | dpkg-gencontrol: error: package kernel-image-2.6.10-ewl-amd64-base not in control info. What and Where is control info? |
| 01:39.15 | Azar | jim any danger that the last good kernel be rewritten by the newly installed one, so if it fails to boot you do not have it there anymore? |
| 01:39.22 | RedPenguin | Did I do something wrong? |
| 01:39.27 | RedPenguin | I did apt-get install gcc |
| 01:39.28 | RedPenguin | But still get |
| 01:39.29 | RedPenguin | . |
| 01:39.29 | RedPenguin | <+TuxedoKamen> You have been found innocent, have a nice day. |
| 01:39.29 | RedPenguin | <+TuxedoKamen> This ia a fucking test |
| 01:39.29 | RedPenguin | * TuxedoKamen humps his father, Alan. |
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| 01:39.36 | RedPenguin | --> PitBull (Dream@3A-IRC-3EF3CBE5.dsl.stlsmo.swbell.net) has joined #Lounge |
| 01:39.37 | philstar | Chameleon22: "FuzzyIT coming soon" |
| 01:39.40 | RedPenguin | --- EggMaster gives voice to PitBull |
| 01:39.40 | RedPenguin | <+TuxedoKamen> lol l@@k its Pitbull |
| 01:39.42 | RedPenguin | <+PitBull> !owner 6627 |
| 01:39.44 | RedPenguin | <~Alan> 2 |
| 01:39.46 | RedPenguin | <~Alan> !owner 6627 |
| 01:39.47 | Chameleon22 | philips: excellent, thanks |
| 01:39.48 | jim | Azar: sure, there's always that danger |
| 01:39.48 | RedPenguin | --- CommanderInChief sets mode +q #Lounge Alan |
| 01:39.50 | RedPenguin | * Verdin wins Alan and PitBull |
| 01:39.52 | RedPenguin | <&EggMaster> o snap |
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| 01:39.56 | RedPenguin | <+TuxedoKamen> Alan do you love me? |
| 01:39.58 | RedPenguin | Opps |
| 01:40.00 | Patrick` | hooray for right-click paste |
| 01:40.00 | RedPenguin | I didn't mean to paste that |
| 01:40.02 | RedPenguin | I meant |
| 01:40.04 | RedPenguin | checking for C compiler default output... configure: error: C compiler cannot create executables |
| 01:40.07 | Patrick` | lol |
| 01:40.28 | Azar | hmm |
| 01:40.31 | jim | does that mean you haven't installed binutils? |
| 01:40.43 | jim | I thought gcc depended on binutils |
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| 01:40.46 | runedude | anyone know where the official Visual Basic chan is? :S |
| 01:41.01 | jim | irc.microsoft.com? |
| 01:41.05 | Azar | I only... is that I am only used to the lilo.conf looks and now that I know what I have to do there I am a little shy at grub |
| 01:41.09 | Ridley | (02:40) · jim · so if you have a new kernel that was installed in /boot, update-grub should find it and arrange that it can be booted about this: when I installed a new kernel before, I opened the menu.lst with vi and noticed that it was updated |
| 01:41.10 | RedPenguin | It installed binutils |
| 01:41.12 | runedude | doesn texist, jim |
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| 01:41.24 | Ridley | even if I didn't run any specific command |
| 01:41.38 | debian | Even after removing alsa-base my sound works... so how do I know what sound (server?) my system is using? |
| 01:41.45 | mrhemlock | RedPenguin, you land on channel take it over repeatedly and OFF TOPIC TO |
| 01:41.46 | RedPenguin | Is there a reinstall for apt-get or something? |
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| 01:41.56 | jim | runedude: oh, oops... my master guessing intellectual processor (aka my mind) has been rendered inoperative... sorry |
| 01:42.00 | Pumpkin_Pie | Hi |
| 01:42.07 | RedPenguin | land on channel? |
| 01:42.18 | Patrick` | apt-get remove apt |
| 01:42.19 | Ridley | and now, by the way, I've just reinstalled debian, downloaded the new kernel, and made oldconfig |
| 01:42.25 | Ridley | it's asking me a lot of things |
| 01:42.26 | Ridley | :P |
| 01:42.32 | runedude | jim, k :P |
| 01:42.58 | Azar | ok I just adjusted my screen to a more quiet convo |
| 01:43.10 | Patrick` | /ignore all ? |
| 01:43.22 | Azar | oh no nooo :) |
| 01:43.30 | RedPenguin | mrhemlock, I know I ask question, but I didn't know anything was off topic, I thought I asked Debian questions |
| 01:43.33 | gridline | Ridley, I just gad that problem. It turned out I confused 2.6.8-10 with 2.6.10 |
| 01:43.37 | Azar | I cannot ignore nobody here |
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| 01:44.24 | mrhemlock | RedPenguin, just read what you said so far, i bet 50% or more is non debian |
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| 01:44.43 | fas3r | hi all |
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| 01:45.05 | RedPenguin | mrhemlock, the gcc thing happened on Debian, so I figured it would be safe to ask about it in #Debian |
| 01:45.09 | fas3r | anybody have the pc card dwl-g650?? |
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| 01:45.37 | Azar | ok well I guess is study time :grub and symlinks on the assignment, thank you jim |
| 01:45.55 | green_earz | Ridley: thats the differents between the two kernels |
| 01:46.19 | jim | one thing, grub and xfs aren't presently getting along... if you want to use grub, your /boot cannot be xfs |
| 01:46.24 | markmrd | astronut: what does make-kpkg do? |
| 01:46.29 | mrhemlock | RedPenguin what ever i will add you to ignore (as i am sure others have) |
| 01:46.43 | astronut | markmrd: compiles a debian kernel, makes a debian package that you install |
| 01:46.46 | Ridley | green_earz, what are you talkin' about? |
| 01:46.56 | fas3r | i have bought a dwl-g650 and i want to install a antenna, do you know if i unsolder the ULF conector or I make a pigtail's cable with connector type MC?? |
| 01:46.58 | Ridley | which differences? |
| 01:47.10 | markmrd | which also installs the modules? |
| 01:47.26 | RedPenguin | mrhemlock, ok..... I swear to God, I wasn't aware I was off topic, but if you want, I will just leave |
| 01:47.27 | jim | markmrd: it will even work on non-debian kernels (i.e., from sources you get from say kernel.org) |
| 01:47.46 | astronut | that's what i do (kernel.org) |
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| 01:48.00 | markmrd | cool |
| 01:48.05 | astronut | markmrd: it does all the compiling, and makes a nice pretty package so your debian package tools can manage the kernel |
| 01:48.26 | mrhemlock | RedPenguin ask away I won't see it |
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| 01:49.35 | RedPenguin | mrhemlock, if you will not see it, how did you know I said anything? |
| 01:49.49 | markmrd | I just compiled a new kernel, but when the computer boots, XServer says it cannot find /dev/psaux any ideas, maybe I built it worng, this i sthe first time I tried to do it |
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| 01:50.00 | mrhemlock | RedPenguin doing it NOW ;) |
| 01:50.34 | RedPenguin | .... |
| 01:50.51 | jim | Ridley: so final summary, the differences and similarities between lilo and grub that I have pointed out might help you make a decision as to which you might use |
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| 01:52.30 | green_earz | markmrd: did you use make oldconfig with the kernel build, ? |
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| 01:54.27 | jim | make oldconfig can read a (kernel source dir)/.config file that might have come from being for a different version of the linux kernel, and go thru it and rewrite a new .config that has all the questions and answers for the present kernel |
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| 01:54.46 | Patrick` | yep |
| 01:54.54 | Patrick` | it'll only ask you questions that are different |
| 01:55.35 | Ridley | jim |
| 01:55.35 | Ridley | just chose |
| 01:55.35 | Ridley | grub |
| 01:55.35 | Ridley | ;) |
| 01:55.35 | Patrick` | Bah! |
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| 01:55.35 | Ridley | thanks a lot for your time. |
| 01:55.45 | jim | my usual thing is save the .config from the old kernel, make mrproper, put the .config in the dir, then run make oldconfig |
| 01:55.46 | Ridley | now I'm recompiling again |
| 01:55.52 | jim | welcome |
| 01:55.59 | Patrick` | jim: likewise |
| 01:56.13 | Patrick` | is there any real advantage to using debian sources over vanilla? |
| 01:56.24 | Ridley | the only thing is that oldconfig didn't convince me... I've just said the suggested answer to almost all questions |
| 01:56.33 | jim | I -never- fail to run make mrproper on a kernel I havent' built yet |
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| 01:56.59 | jim | yes, debian kernels get patches applied to them for i.e., security problems |
| 01:57.09 | Ridley | azz |
| 01:57.11 | Ridley | jim |
| 01:57.18 | Ridley | have you got a link? |
| 01:57.28 | runedude | is there anyway to easily setup a vnc server? |
| 01:57.29 | Ridley | I downloaded the kernel from kernel.org :| |
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| 01:57.39 | ptlis | :o |
| 01:57.42 | ptlis | Another Ridley. |
| 01:57.43 | Ridley | uhahahaah |
| 01:57.53 | Ridley | mh? |
| 01:58.01 | runedude | I tried apt-get install vncserver |
| 01:58.02 | ptlis | Ridley: You live in the North East of England. |
| 01:58.04 | ptlis | ? |
| 01:58.08 | runedude | But it says connection refused :/ |
| 01:58.14 | Ridley | hah, no, in the north of Italy |
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| 01:58.34 | jim | close, but no spaghetti! |
| 01:58.42 | Ridley | uhahah |
| 01:58.48 | [bman] | I'm looking for some help with X on a B&W mac G3. I have an ati radeon 7000. I've googled around and figured out most of the problems I had, but now it starts up X just fine, but has the square cursor like it's trying to use a software cursor (and failing), and gdm never loads... (i'm a long time i386 user, so don't give me guff about running on a mac, I just don't know the hardware ;) ) |
| 01:59.08 | ptlis | Oh well, i've just never encountered a Ridley not related to myself. Ever. |
| 01:59.19 | green_earz | Ridley: why not apt-get the kernel saucre from a mirror |
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| 01:59.21 | Ridley | how can you think I'm English, with this grammar? |
| 01:59.21 | Ridley | :P |
| 01:59.25 | Ridley | green_earz |
| 01:59.34 | Ridley | simply because I'm a noob |
| 01:59.39 | Ridley | and now that you've told me that |
| 01:59.49 | Ridley | I ask you: is it a fine solution? |
| 01:59.52 | gravity | [bman]: You'll probably find more help in #debian-ppc |
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| 01:59.58 | theshane | Hello, I'm wanting to know how to install GNOME |
| 02:00.06 | gravity | theshane: aptitude install gnome |
| 02:00.12 | [bman] | gravity, :-P go figure, thanks! |
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| 02:00.26 | theshane | How do I do that? |
| 02:00.34 | gravity | theshane: Like I just told you. |
| 02:00.43 | gravity | theshane: As root, type that in a console |
| 02:00.51 | theshane | Oh, okay, thanks |
| 02:01.03 | theshane | Will it tell me how to run it after? |
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| 02:01.22 | gravity | theshane: No it won't |
| 02:01.46 | theshane | How do I run it? |
| 02:02.00 | green_earz | Ridley: apt-cache search kernel-source to find the one you want |
| 02:02.10 | Chameleon22 | can somone point me in the right direction in using a scanner under linux (using KDE, debian sid) |
| 02:02.20 | Ridley | nice |
| 02:02.22 | Ridley | really nice |
| 02:02.23 | runedude | anyway to install the err , vncserver for debian? |
| 02:02.24 | gravity | theshane: As your user "echo "gnome-session" > .xsession" |
| 02:02.27 | gravity | theshane: Then startx |
| 02:02.35 | Ridley | and it looks for a debian-optimized one, right? |
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| 02:03.01 | theshane | thanks |
| 02:03.05 | theshane | I'll give it a try |
| 02:03.11 | PerfDave | Chameleon22: "apt-cache search scanner kde" or "apt-cache search scanner" |
| 02:03.11 | green_earz | Ridley: when you find the one just apt-get install kernel-source-x.x.x |
| 02:03.20 | Ridley | and then |
| 02:03.21 | brunner | is Ubuntu the only Debian-based distro that's Free As In Beer? |
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| 02:03.28 | Ridley | I still need to compile it, right? |
| 02:03.31 | PerfDave | brunner: No |
| 02:03.36 | gravity | brunner: No. There's Mepis/Knoppix/Gnoppix/etc |
| 02:03.46 | PerfDave | Chameleon22: IIRC the scanning system in Linux is called "sane", once you've got that installed you should be able to scan from applications like GIMP. |
| 02:03.47 | green_earz | Ridley: yes |
| 02:03.53 | Ridley | heh |
| 02:03.57 | brunner | I'll check out Mepis, thanks |
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| 02:04.02 | techn9ne | how do I setup a domain name for use w/ apache? |
| 02:04.03 | Ridley | well, I don't want to abuse of your patience, but... |
| 02:04.09 | ptlis | Ridley: Your grammar is about as good as most people online. |
| 02:04.16 | Chameleon22 | PerfDave: ARGHHHHHHHH thats what i was after, couldnt remeber the name !! sane, thanks |
| 02:04.17 | Ridley | could you paste me the commands to do that in the safest way? |
| 02:04.22 | Ridley | lol ptlis, thanks |
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| 02:05.32 | green_earz | Ridley: http://newbiedoc.sourceforge.net/system/kernel-pkg.html |
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| 02:05.47 | jim | techn9ne: buy a domain name, get it established in dns, tell apache to use that domain, put that apache on the same machine whose ip is associated with the domain |
| 02:05.54 | Ridley | whoa! |
| 02:06.23 | Ridley | this is |
| 02:06.26 | Ridley | REALLY nice |
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| 02:06.34 | Ridley | thanks a lot again :) |
| 02:06.42 | Ridley | 3 a.m now |
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| 02:06.58 | Ridley | I'll go to bed... see you tomorrow folks |
| 02:06.59 | techn9ne | jim : i dont want to use a domain name i just want to use the ip... ie http;//123.456.789 |
| 02:07.02 | green_earz | Ridley: and to make life easyer use --initrd with make-kpkg |
| 02:07.03 | all-x | lol |
| 02:07.15 | Ridley | ok |
| 02:07.19 | Ridley | wrote it |
| 02:07.21 | Ridley | :D |
| 02:07.22 | green_earz | all the best |
| 02:07.42 | Ridley | I hope to become confident with unix soon |
| 02:07.53 | jim | techn9ne: hmm, I forget exactl;y how to do tha |
| 02:07.54 | all-x | lol |
| 02:07.55 | jim | t |
| 02:08.01 | Ridley | I'd like to help here too, it's the minimum I could do. |
| 02:08.07 | green_earz | you are you are using it |
| 02:08.14 | Ridley | heh ^^ |
| 02:08.43 | jim | Ridley: unix shells (command line command execution thingys) are extremely deep |
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| 02:08.58 | Ridley | I know |
| 02:09.03 | jim | Ridley: unix people gotta know shells well |
| 02:09.09 | Ridley | it doesn't seem, but |
| 02:09.25 | Ridley | I've used latex and various programs for 3 years |
| 02:09.27 | Ridley | at school |
| 02:09.43 | Ridley | now I'm at university, and started to use Linux again |
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| 02:10.45 | Ridley | the fact is that I haven't had it at home before... so it wasn't much useful |
| 02:10.56 | runedude | Does anyone know how to install a VNC server that doesnt need much config, using apt-get on debian? |
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| 02:11.40 | green_earz | Ridley: sarge or woody and have you tryed the net installer ? |
| 02:11.48 | gravity | runedude: I've never used it myself, but lots of people like tightvnc it seems |
| 02:12.10 | runedude | gravity, apt-get install tightvnc perhaps? |
| 02:12.28 | jim | Ridley: if you want to get really familiar with forexample the bash shell, the bash info page is excellent |
| 02:12.30 | runedude | nvm |
| 02:12.37 | runedude | looks like i gotta install it from a source |
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| 02:12.44 | gravity | runedude: apt-cache search vnc | grep tight |
| 02:12.59 | gravity | Nope, you don't need source |
| 02:13.12 | runedude | ahh |
| 02:13.13 | runedude | I see |
| 02:13.31 | Kerpal2_ | runedude apt-get install `apt-cache search tightvnc` |
| 02:13.32 | Ridley | green_earz: never tried the net installer, I burned 6 ISOs |
| 02:13.41 | Kerpal2_ | wait thats wrong |
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| 02:13.48 | Ridley | even if I know that they aren't a good investment |
| 02:13.49 | Kerpal2_ | i forgot awk.. nm i will shutup now |
| 02:13.53 | SniperX[win] | w000t IPMASQ is working |
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| 02:13.59 | runedude | got it, thanks. |
| 02:14.00 | SniperX[win] | but it only works when i connect to ip's |
| 02:14.01 | Ridley | jim: thanks |
| 02:14.13 | gravity | Kerpal2_: Yeah, that's a bit much anyway if all he wants is a client too |
| 02:14.20 | gravity | And awk is necessary too :-) |
| 02:14.21 | gravity | Or sed |
| 02:14.22 | SniperX[win] | Whenever i ping irc.debian.org i get no reply(same with sites) but if i ping the ip it works fine |
| 02:14.38 | jim | welcome (note, if it looks the same as the man page, the info page is not installed for some reason) |
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| 02:14.59 | briareus | hey all |
| 02:15.04 | green_earz | Ridley: the net installer is 110 meg cd and the rest is downloaded over the net >http://cdimage.debian.org/pub/cdimage-testing/daily/i386/20050311/ |
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| 02:15.20 | Ridley | yep, I know |
| 02:15.27 | Ridley | but when I burned those CDs |
| 02:15.31 | briareus | Ridley, green_earz I jusgt used it on three mahcines liek 3 hours ago, works awesome |
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| 02:15.41 | green_earz | Ridley: sarge-i386-netinst.iso |
| 02:15.51 | Ridley | I did so because I didn't know if the ethernet card of my laptop would have worked |
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| 02:15.56 | Ridley | now I now it works |
| 02:16.02 | Ridley | and I could try the net inst |
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| 02:16.22 | Ridley | *I know |
| 02:16.24 | briareus | green_earz, can i ask a couple questions about services? |
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| 02:16.37 | green_earz | Ridley: was it woody cds you download ? |
| 02:16.47 | Ridley | sarge. |
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| 02:17.45 | green_earz | briareus: the installer as come on from woody, as you say it work very well |
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| 02:17.57 | briareus | green_earz, (or anyone) I used to use a command called chkconfig that would list all services and allow enabling/disabling for different runlevels, how do i do this in debian? |
| 02:18.00 | runedude | hm, vnc works but |
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| 02:18.07 | runedude | I want to see my GNOME desktop! not X |
| 02:18.17 | jim | Ridley: if you find bash info file is not installed, install package bash-doc |
| 02:18.18 | travisat | bleh gnome |
| 02:18.45 | rob^ | bleh everything else |
| 02:18.47 | briareus | I am in KDE now for the first time since KDE v3, its very nice |
| 02:18.51 | briareus | I am a fluxer |
| 02:18.56 | Ridley | jim: can't check it out now, kernel's compiling, I'll write this suggestion down too |
| 02:18.57 | Ridley | :D |
| 02:19.11 | jim | Ridley: yes you can :P |
| 02:19.13 | Ridley | kde 3.3.2 rocks |
| 02:19.15 | briareus | anyone know the debian-equivalent for chkconfig? |
| 02:19.20 | Ridley | really? :°D |
| 02:19.23 | jim | yep |
| 02:19.25 | gravity | briareus: What does chkconfig do again? |
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| 02:19.29 | gravity | I can never remember that |
| 02:19.31 | jim | just spawn a shell and do it |
| 02:19.37 | jim | I mean if you want |
| 02:19.38 | Ridley | during the compiling? I can't even see the command prompt |
| 02:19.48 | jim | do you have x? |
| 02:19.49 | gravity | Ridley: alt-f2 |
| 02:19.51 | briareus | gravity, for example, to disable all runlevels for ssh, chkconfig sshd off |
| 02:19.59 | green_earz | briareus: http://newbiedoc.sourceforge.net/system/runlevels-intro.html about debian run levels |
| 02:19.59 | briareus | (from startup) |
| 02:20.10 | runedude | any idea how to get to my GNOME desktop from vnc? |
| 02:20.10 | travisat | I'm compiling my kernel and using irssi on the same machine |
| 02:20.20 | briareus | thanks green_earz |
| 02:20.29 | gravity | briareus: Well, there's the rcconf package which provides a nice frontend to that |
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| 02:20.42 | briareus | gravity, for deb? |
| 02:20.43 | Ridley | jim, not yet in this install... I decided that I prefer starting with the minimum |
| 02:20.51 | gravity | briareus: Yes |
| 02:20.53 | Ridley | and install the remaining after kernel upgrade |
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| 02:21.10 | gravity | briareus: Debian doesn't have anything like that exactly though |
| 02:21.23 | runedude | no ideas? |
| 02:21.26 | briareus | ok got rcconf now |
| 02:21.28 | Ridley | thanks gravity :D |
| 02:21.44 | jim | at one point, I was burning a CD, compiling a kernel, running several daemons including sendmail, bind, ftp, web, had 20 unix students working in the lab, and upgrading debian to the next major version simultaneously |
| 02:21.50 | gravity | Ridley: No problem |
| 02:22.00 | puppet | Bah nörf :/ |
| 02:22.02 | briareus | jim, aint linux great |
| 02:22.06 | jim | the students never noticed |
| 02:22.08 | Ridley | jim, a teacher? :D |
| 02:22.19 | puppet | Im not getting 8139too in my menuconfig :/ I have no clue what I missed |
| 02:22.19 | green_earz | briareus: services are in /etc/init.d |
| 02:22.23 | jim | no, I managed a computer lab in a nearby college |
| 02:22.32 | Ridley | oh, I see |
| 02:22.54 | briareus | green_earz, so for example to restart network service... rc.sysinit /etc/init.d ? |
| 02:22.59 | briareus | no thats not right |
| 02:23.21 | runedude | Guys, I installed tightvnc, and im on my box, see, yea, but I want a way to get onto my Gnome desktop from vnc, not just some X stuff |
| 02:23.22 | green_earz | briareus: /etc/init.d/service-name stop |
| 02:23.28 | briareus | ah, thanks |
| 02:23.35 | green_earz | np |
| 02:23.38 | gravity | briareus: invoke-rc.d servicename restart |
| 02:23.38 | briareus | I got so used to aliased commands i forgot my slask knowledge |
| 02:23.42 | cafuego | puppet: other 10/100 cards |
| 02:23.59 | briareus | so for example: invoke-rc.d network restart |
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| 02:24.24 | cafuego | !stab cafuefgos neighbour |
| 02:24.27 | gravity | briareus: "networking" (it has to exist in /etc/init.d |
| 02:24.33 | jim | holy holycow batman! |
| 02:24.34 | puppet | cafuego: not there |
| 02:24.39 | briareus | thank you again :) |
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| 02:25.04 | gravity | briareus: invoke-rc.d is more meant for package scripts, but it checks for proper runlevels and things, so it's good to use |
| 02:25.05 | Ridley | folks, my head's falling on the keyboard |
| 02:25.12 | Ridley | better to sleep now XD |
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| 02:25.32 | cafuego | puppet: Network -> 10 or 100Mbit -> EISA, VLB, PCI and on board controllers -> RealTek RTL-8139 PCI Fast Ethernet Adapter support |
| 02:25.44 | Ridley | thanks again, and see ya tomorrow ;) |
| 02:26.10 | cafuego | puppet: if you don't have that, you're using a 2.2 kernel. |
| 02:26.26 | puppet | omg why did i miss it! |
| 02:26.29 | puppet | cafuego: thanks :) |
| 02:26.32 | cafuego | puppet: karma |
| 02:26.45 | jim | naw, dogma |
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| 02:27.11 | debian | I'm trying to recompile my kernel (2.6.8 for the 686). Right now I'm trying to remember what to type to the graphical config. I know that menuconfig exists, but I'd rather the GUI. |
| 02:27.25 | jim | make xconfig |
| 02:27.30 | travisat | make gconfig |
| 02:27.31 | debian | Thanks jim |
| 02:27.39 | jim | you might need to install some libs |
| 02:27.49 | cafuego | make menuconfig, installing X and 100Mb of Qt shit just to compile a kernel is retarded. |
| 02:27.51 | jim | but it's not tcl/tk for 2.6 |
| 02:27.58 | travisat | x=kde, g=gnome |
| 02:28.16 | jim | there's a gconfig? |
| 02:28.23 | cafuego | there's a randomconfig |
| 02:28.25 | travisat | last time I checked |
| 02:28.35 | puppet | NTS write is considered safe now? |
| 02:28.36 | jim | cafuego: but if he has it already... |
| 02:28.38 | puppet | NTFS* |
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| 02:28.42 | cafuego | puppet: no |
| 02:28.47 | cafuego | puppet: Read the help entry |
| 02:28.51 | puppet | I did ;p |
| 02:28.59 | FieldySnuts | geez |
| 02:28.59 | briareus | puppet, look at the 'captive' project, but its not considered "safe" |
| 02:29.00 | puppet | It said kinda safe, more then before |
| 02:29.02 | debian | cafuego: yeah, but I'd rather learn how to walk, before I fly |
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| 02:29.15 | cafuego | puppet: Did you see th bit where it needs to be the same size when you write it? |
| 02:29.17 | FieldySnuts | ntfs writing is not safe in linux. period. |
| 02:29.30 | cafuego | debian: it's the *same* thing, just with less overhead. |
| 02:29.37 | Biovore | ntfs writing is risky even in windows.. :-) |
| 02:29.44 | briareus | LOL |
| 02:29.45 | puppet | cafuego: read it again, missunderstood it last time i read it :) |
| 02:29.47 | cafuego | FieldySnuts: Honestly, it's not that safe in windwos either |
| 02:29.47 | puppet | lol biovore |
| 02:29.48 | jim | unless microsoft releases ntfs specs, it's not going to be safe |
| 02:29.49 | grh | dpkg: xorg |
| 02:29.53 | grh | hm |
| 02:30.00 | gravity | badger: xorg |
| 02:30.01 | jim | and ms probably isn't gonna do that today |
| 02:30.06 | fas3r | i have bought a dwl-g650 and i want to install a antenna, do you know if i unsolder the ULF conector or I make a pigtail's cable with connector type MC?? |
| 02:30.15 | cafuego | jim: Maybe they'll reelase ntfs specs a year after everyone has been forced to migrate to WinFS. |
| 02:30.30 | Piggy | o_o |
| 02:30.31 | jim | what's winfs? |
| 02:30.35 | FieldySnuts | a disaster |
| 02:30.35 | grh | hm |
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| 02:30.43 | grh | apt: tell gravity about xorg |
| 02:30.46 | grh | or something :) |
| 02:30.46 | cafuego | jim: Like storing your data in MS Access |
| 02:30.51 | Biovore | I think they droped winFS, The newest builds of longhorn don't have it.. :-/ |
| 02:30.51 | sussudio | !badger gravity |
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| 02:30.51 | badgers | gravity: BadgerBadgerBadgerBadgerBadgerBadgerMushroomMUSHROOMBadgerBadgerBadgerBadgerSnaaaaaaaaakkeeeASnaaaaake |
| 02:30.54 | puppet | jim: due to there will be to much sploits coming ;p |
| 02:30.58 | gravity | heh |
| 02:30.59 | FieldySnuts | Biovore: they changed their minds |
| 02:31.06 | grh | dpkg: xorg? |
| 02:31.06 | cafuego | Biovore: No, it's apparently even being backported to WinXP. |
| 02:31.06 | briareus | Biovore, but they are rumored to try and backport it to XP too |
| 02:31.09 | Biovore | ok.. |
| 02:31.12 | FieldySnuts | badgers: irritate sussudio |
| 02:31.14 | badgers | $1: HELP ME!!! how can I make my mepis werkz kthx |
| 02:31.14 | jim | so I would need an external sql server?! |
| 02:31.19 | gravity | What's up with badger and badgers ? |
| 02:31.20 | FieldySnuts | $1, nice |
| 02:31.30 | humbolt | dpkg: error processing xfree86-common (--configure) |
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| 02:31.32 | revenant | hi how do I solve this? -> http://paste.phpfi.com/51688 |
| 02:31.43 | gravity | Ah yes... blootbot must be perl |
| 02:31.44 | cafuego | jim: Of coruse not, any modern OS has a built-in sql server. (and XML support). |
| 02:31.45 | humbolt | how can I resolve that? |
| 02:31.56 | SniperX[win] | im running ipmasq, its shared the internet but not dns. So basicly if i wanted to connect to this irc server. i couldnt go irc.debian.org. i would have to go 82.96.64.2 how can i fix this problem? |
| 02:32.10 | jim | revenant: you need a web broswer to look at that url |
| 02:32.12 | FieldySnuts | that'll be fun, the first time an exploit is found for the data base. |
| 02:32.18 | cafuego | SniperX[win]: Set your ISps dns servers in /etc/resolv.conf |
| 02:32.22 | runedude | everyone |
| 02:32.22 | FieldySnuts | remote exploits and your filesystem will be vulnerable |
| 02:32.42 | runedude | how do I make it so I can get on my gnome/kde desktop through vnc, its only taking me to X |
| 02:32.42 | runedude | :S |
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| 02:32.47 | cafuego | revenant: You need to not be using the nvidia .run package. |
| 02:32.52 | FieldySnuts | read the vnc docs |
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| 02:33.04 | SniperX[win] | cafuego: when i ping irc.debian.org when im on the debian gateway boxen, it replys. When i ping irc.debian.org from my laptop(on the network) it wont reply(unless i use the ip) |
| 02:33.05 | mir | anyone use the gkrellweather plugin, and know how to configure it for a city |
| 02:33.18 | sussudio | !anyone use |
| 02:33.18 | FieldySnuts | he just told you the solution. |
| 02:33.19 | badgers | No, no one uses it, not even the people who use it. |
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| 02:33.51 | revenant | cafuego : but previously I did not encounter such problem before? what seems to be the problem? I have 2 version of GCC installed though |
| 02:33.54 | runedude | ?? |
| 02:34.01 | transgress | i'm aware that this isn't exactly a debian question, but does anyone know if knoppix will mount reiser partitions? |
| 02:34.10 | FieldySnuts | @topicsmite transgress |
| 02:34.13 | ravenbird | And the wrath of /TOPIC descended with terrible fury upon transgress. And all the people marvelled, saying, Behold, we too should read the /TOPIC, lest we be stricken. And all the people read the /TOPIC, and went away edified. |
| 02:34.20 | cafuego | revenant: Add 'non-free' sources to sources.list. Install nvidia-kenrel-src and nvidia-glx. read the docs that come with those packages. |
| 02:34.35 | transgress | oh oops |
| 02:34.36 | transgress | sorry |
| 02:34.40 | green_earz | SniperX[win]: use ifconfig and check it out put to your gateway info |
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| 02:35.00 | jim | the people went away edited? |
| 02:35.02 | transgress | i just really didn't feel like going to another channel... didn't mean to insinuate |
| 02:35.18 | SniperX[win] | ifconfig shows that my gateway is 192.168.0.1(which is my debian box ip) |
| 02:35.20 | cafuego | green_earz: the IP works. The name doesnt't. Ergo the problem is DNS. I told him how to fix it. |
| 02:35.24 | FieldySnuts | it's ok, just a touchy subject here |
| 02:35.29 | jim | you get an F in channel going! |
| 02:35.33 | SniperX[win] | its up |
| 02:35.34 | SniperX[win] | and working |
| 02:35.35 | FieldySnuts | people often keep pushing it, that's when we get upset |
| 02:35.36 | SniperX[win] | thanks guys |
| 02:35.37 | SniperX[win] | u rock |
| 02:35.39 | SniperX[win] | I LOVE YOU ALL |
| 02:35.41 | SniperX[win] | MWAH |
| 02:35.46 | green_earz | nice one |
| 02:35.58 | cafuego | !stawlker FieldySnuts |
| 02:35.59 | badgers | FieldySnuts: WHY DOES THE LINUX KERNEL HAVE NO XML SUPPORT!!! |
| 02:36.03 | FieldySnuts | heh |
| 02:36.14 | gravity | lol |
| 02:36.15 | FieldySnuts | why the nick badgers? |
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| 02:36.21 | sussudio | what else? |
| 02:36.23 | cafuego | sussudio |
| 02:36.34 | cafuego | sussudio: 'badger' perhaps. |
| 02:36.37 | gravity | You misspelled KERNAL in that factoid |
| 02:36.40 | sussudio | cafuego: already registered. |
| 02:36.42 | cafuego | crud |
| 02:36.50 | sanmarcos | Is there a way to see what messages are in the queue of my MTA? |
| 02:36.54 | cafuego | !stawlker =~ s/KERNEL/KERNAL/ |
| 02:36.54 | badgers | cafuego: i didn't have anything called 'stawlker' to modify |
| 02:36.57 | jim | gravity: no the stalker did :) |
| 02:37.06 | cafuego | !cmd: stawlker (.*?) =~ s/KERNEL/KERNAL/ |
| 02:37.19 | FieldySnuts | badgers: irritate me |
| 02:37.19 | gravity | Is stawlker someone who really showed up? |
| 02:37.21 | badgers | $1: Y iz debain so old? who uses kde kk |
| 02:37.28 | jim | the character of the stalker begs for misspellings... |
| 02:37.29 | FieldySnuts | "kk" what the hell is that supposed to be? |
| 02:37.33 | cafuego | gravity: Sadly, yes |
| 02:37.36 | gravity | Dear god |
| 02:37.40 | jim | Kick Klyde? |
| 02:37.43 | cafuego | FieldySnuts: Kota Kinabalu |
| 02:37.52 | FieldySnuts | do I want to know? |
| 02:37.56 | cafuego | FieldySnuts: google |
| 02:38.00 | FieldySnuts | nah |
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| 02:38.13 | cafuego | I don't know what skr1pd kiddies think it is.... |
| 02:38.32 | gravity | Microsoft needs to update their guide to 133t so we can learn what it means |
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| 02:39.42 | cafuego | There is no guide to 1337. if you are you know, if you're not you'll never be. |
| 02:40.07 | cafuego | Fuck. trout.vbs crashed mirc. |
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| 02:40.28 | rob^ | thats what you get for using mirc |
| 02:40.33 | grh | is dpkg dead? |
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| 02:40.37 | cafuego | </irony> |
| 02:40.38 | gravity | Why on earth are you using mirc? |
| 02:40.39 | grh | dpkg: hello? |
| 02:40.49 | cafuego | gravity: Remoprary offline. |
| 02:40.50 | cafuego | !test |
| 02:40.51 | badgers | Yes, cafuego, you're still online. |
| 02:40.56 | gravity | Ah |
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| 02:40.59 | cafuego | grh even |
| 02:41.00 | MobyTurbo | gravity: SDNWOTN |
| 02:41.09 | gravity | MobyTurbo: ? |
| 02:41.15 | grh | cafuego: what? |
| 02:41.24 | cafuego | grh: you can use 'badgers' or 'ravenbird' instead. |
| 02:41.25 | DebUser | OSS = Open Sound System = Proprietory? |
| 02:41.26 | MobyTurbo | Sarcasm Does Not Work On The Net |
| 02:41.28 | grh | ók |
| 02:41.34 | gravity | DebUser: No |
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| 02:41.58 | cafuego | what-k? |
| 02:42.03 | DebUser | gravity: no to what bit? |
| 02:42.07 | gravity | DebUser: The last |
| 02:42.23 | gravity | DebUser: Definitely not proprietary |
| 02:42.28 | cafuego | gravity: No, he's right. |
| 02:42.29 | grh | is it worth the mess installing xorg instead of xfree? |
| 02:42.31 | grh | anyone tried? |
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| 02:42.41 | gravity | cafuego: OSS is proprietary? Since when? |
| 02:42.46 | MobyTurbo | grh: /msg dpkg xorg |
| 02:42.46 | gravity | grh: I'm running it |
| 02:42.47 | jim | part of it is |
| 02:42.53 | gravity | No shit? |
| 02:42.59 | jim | since forever :) |
| 02:43.00 | gravity | How's that work? |
| 02:43.03 | cafuego | there's a proprietary OSS. The kernel stuff is *also* called OSS (and that's NOT proprietary) |
| 02:43.11 | grh | gravity: ok, is it working better than xfree? are you satesfied ? |
| 02:43.11 | gravity | Ah, ok |
| 02:43.12 | jim | there's a free part and there's a free part |
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| 02:43.15 | jim | err |
| 02:43.16 | jim | umm |
| 02:43.19 | jim | you get the idea |
| 02:43.25 | gravity | grh: It's fine. I get DRI with my card but other than that it's no different |
| 02:43.32 | gravity | grh: If you don't need it, don't bother |
| 02:43.39 | gravity | It's not like xlibs has changed |
| 02:43.46 | grh | heh okey |
| 02:44.26 | gravity | grh: You have to remember, X.org is the XFree codebase, but forked a while back |
| 02:44.29 | humbolt | when when when, is sarge fially released? |
| 02:44.35 | gravity | humbolt: When it's ready |
| 02:44.42 | FieldySnuts | 2009 |
| 02:44.43 | cafuego | humbolt: 2 weeks ago, you missed it! |
| 02:44.46 | gravity | humbolt: Hopefully sooner rather than later, but people are working on it |
| 02:44.48 | MobyTurbo | !topicsmite humbult |
| 02:44.49 | grh | i get this weird problem with xfree on my laptop... when i close and open the lid, the screen moves about 1" down, but the cursor is still at "normal" place... i have to change to the text terminal (ctrl+alt+f2) and back again for the screen to get normal |
| 02:44.50 | badgers | And the wrath of /TOPIC descended with terrible fury upon humbult. And all the people marveled, saying, Behold, we too should read the /TOPIC, lest we be stricken. And all the people read the /TOPIC, and went away edified. |
| 02:44.55 | grh | but it's not there in xorg |
| 02:45.15 | gravity | grh: Huh? What's not there? |
| 02:45.18 | cafuego | grh: That's what's commonly known as "a bug" ;-) |
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| 02:45.28 | grh | gravity: the problem |
| 02:45.33 | grh | cafuego: hehe :) |
| 02:45.36 | gravity | grh: Oh, then use xorg |
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| 02:46.06 | grh | gravity: have you compiled it in yourself or are you using the unofficial debian repositories ? |
| 02:46.17 | bytewalker | ok i just installed apache but it seems to only work for my computer?? |
| 02:46.24 | bytewalker | can anyone see if lamebox.dyndns.org works ? |
| 02:46.24 | grh | cafuego: no thanks, i'm not hungry :) |
| 02:46.35 | ARCh1V1St | when running kismet as root, I get: 'Suid priv-dropping disabled. This may not be secure'. |
| 02:46.43 | bytewalker | the other computer on my network cant connect to it for some reason |
| 02:46.49 | gravity | grh: Compiled myself. |
| 02:46.53 | bytewalker | like apache is filtering out anything except 127.0.0.1 or something |
| 02:46.56 | bytewalker | ssh works though |
| 02:47.00 | grh | gravity: okey |
| 02:47.11 | FieldySnuts | bytewalker: it's probably defaulting to localhost only. time to start reading the docs at httpd.apache.org |
| 02:47.14 | humbolt | Considering that the first estimate on the release date was somewhere in early 2004, how much more time do you think it will take? I know that is an odd question, but so many people are waiting for the release to finally have sid free for xorg and other stuff. |
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| 02:47.18 | grh | gravity: is it messy? :) |
| 02:47.21 | cafuego | ARCh1V1St: Just ignore it. |
| 02:47.25 | bytewalker | FieldySnuts can u tell me a quick fix plz:( |
| 02:47.26 | FieldySnuts | @lart humbolt |
| 02:47.31 | FieldySnuts | bytewalker: no. read. |
| 02:47.33 | gravity | grh: It's pretty easy and there are instructions on doing it online (that help keep you from stamping on Debian's install) but you do have to be aware that you're working around the package system |
| 02:47.35 | ARCh1V1St | :) It does work alright, |
| 02:47.39 | ARCh1V1St | EXCEPT for gps :/ |
| 02:47.44 | ARCh1V1St | (which works with other apps) |
| 02:47.55 | humbolt | And some strart to mess up their systems with ubuntu packages, ... |
| 02:47.58 | puppet | Anyone that have ranned SVGATextMode on a i865 successfull? |
| 02:47.59 | ARCh1V1St | so i wanted to make sure this error wasnt effecting gps as well.... |
| 02:48.19 | grh | gravity: hmm, maby i'll just wait until debian starts using xorg.. |
| 02:48.25 | theshane | I logged in as root and tried to install gnome by typing 'aptitude install gnome' into the screen but it didn't work |
| 02:48.26 | sussudio | !fist puppet |
| 02:48.36 | puppet | i855 even :) |
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| 02:48.58 | ARCh1V1St | tried chmod 777 and manually setting suid on the kismet executables, but no go |
| 02:48.58 | cafuego | humbolt: probably more then two weeks but certainly less than two years. |
| 02:49.16 | ARCh1V1St | (which i then changed back to the original permissions) |
| 02:49.16 | astronut | What's a good and simple viddeo editor? i have an ac3/xvid video file, i want to to chop off the 1st 30 seconds |
| 02:49.26 | cafuego | humbolt: people can mess up their systems if they like, they just won't get support. That's entirely up to them. |
| 02:49.27 | humbolt | cafuego: sounds like a 6 weeks |
| 02:49.41 | Gnea | astronut: there is no such thing. |
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| 02:49.46 | FieldySnuts | geez. they're working on it. relax |
| 02:49.47 | cafuego | ARCh1V1St: if you run it as root, suid is irrelevant. |
| 02:49.51 | astronut | Gnea: pity...what's clsoest to it? |
| 02:50.04 | Gnea | astronut: apt-cache search video edit |
| 02:50.07 | FieldySnuts | video editing in linux is a joke |
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| 02:50.14 | Gnea | werd |
| 02:50.22 | MobyTurbo | humbolt: sarge will be relased siyh |
| 02:50.28 | theshane | I'm new to Debian and I am somewhat lost on what to do. I'm trying to install gnome so I can see what I'm doing but I don't know how. Can anyone help me out? |
| 02:50.45 | gravity | theshane: You're going to have to be more specific than "it didn't work" |
| 02:50.51 | gravity | theshane: What did it say when you typed the command? |
| 02:50.51 | Gnea | theshane: you can't see what you're doing? |
| 02:51.06 | theshane | umm, let me try it again |
| 02:51.07 | strajnar | how can i play streams i need some codes i have them but do not know where exactly to put them...i now i have to make a win32 dir and put them in there but where to make the win dir i forgot it |
| 02:51.10 | ARCh1V1St | ahhhh, didnt take that into consideration. The error also mentions 'This may not be secure', which i dont like seeing :D |
| 02:51.20 | humbolt | MobyTurbo: siyh? |
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| 02:51.29 | ARCh1V1St | and of course kismet wont execute as normal user |
| 02:51.44 | FieldySnuts | well no, because it has to set the interface in promiscuous mode |
| 02:51.46 | Gnea | strajnar: stop smoking crack, then come back |
| 02:51.48 | cafuego | Editing xvid isn't a good idea regardless, convert it to something a bit more useful first. |
| 02:51.48 | green_earz | theshane: so you have a base install only ? up to now |
| 02:51.57 | theshane | Yes |
| 02:52.24 | MobyTurbo | !siyh |
| 02:52.25 | badgers | it has been said that siyh is Sooner If You Help, or see "wir" and "rsn" |
| 02:52.37 | theshane | It says bash: aptitude: command not found |
| 02:52.39 | Gnea | !troll MobyTurbo |
| 02:53.03 | FieldySnuts | how is that a troll |
| 02:53.03 | Gnea | theshane: heard of apt-get? |
| 02:53.11 | green_earz | theshane: first get your xserver installed and set up apt-get install x-window-system-core |
| 02:53.16 | theshane | Gnea: nope |
| 02:53.21 | gravity | Gnea: I told him to use aptitude, it's better |
| 02:53.34 | gravity | theshane: apt-get update; apt-get install gnome |
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| 02:53.57 | jim | aptitude uses apt-get |
| 02:53.58 | MobyTurbo | theshane: you need to go to debian.org and read the installation guide. |
| 02:53.58 | Gnea | ah |
| 02:54.07 | jim | so either is probably fine |
| 02:54.10 | gravity | jim: No, aptitude uses libapt. Very different. |
| 02:54.22 | green_earz | theshane: yes run apt-get update first to get apt-get ready |
| 02:54.24 | gravity | jim: apt-get is a very thin layer over libapt. Basically a demo. |
| 02:54.24 | jim | doesn't apt-get use that? |
| 02:54.38 | gravity | jim: aptitude is more full-featured and can handle more complex dependencies and such |
| 02:54.49 | strajnar | anyone can help? |
| 02:54.50 | Gnea | aptitude is OK, synaptic is probably more what they're looking to use |
| 02:54.57 | Gnea | strajnar: NO |
| 02:55.02 | gravity | http://lists.debian.org/debian-devel/2003/07/msg02135.html |
| 02:55.03 | MobyTurbo | gravity: aptitude can also get confused and delete important files |
| 02:55.09 | gravity | MobyTurbo: True, it does have bugs |
| 02:55.17 | gravity | Sadly it's far more neglected than it should be |
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| 02:55.56 | maher | strajnar: ask a question |
| 02:56.01 | wuman | hey IP got a special way to write ip/25 port get something like that? my router setup own just one rectangle for port range how i write it? 1024-5000 1024/5000 ? |
| 02:56.23 | FieldySnuts | engrish? |
| 02:56.25 | humbolt | is it possible to only update one specific respository with apt-get update? |
| 02:56.31 | Gnea | wuman: care to repeat that in english? |
| 02:56.34 | Gnea | FieldySnuts: lol |
| 02:56.53 | FieldySnuts | videotron user, good luck communicating with that species |
| 02:56.53 | bytewalker | how come apache doesnt work?? i parsed through httpd.conf but i cant find anywhere thats deny'ing all other hosts but localhost |
| 02:57.02 | Gnea | humbolt: update updates all lists specified in /etc/apt/sources.list |
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| 02:57.05 | strajnar | i would like to play a stream from internet but player says it needs some codecs i have them but don't know where to put them |
| 02:57.25 | Gnea | bytewalker: netstat -nap | grep 80 ? |
| 02:57.42 | Gnea | strajnar: player? |
| 02:57.51 | bytewalker | tcp 0 0 0.0.0.0:80 0.0.0.0:* LISTEN 5933/apache |
| 02:57.56 | bytewalker | but, u try connecting |
| 02:58.01 | bytewalker | it wont let my other computer connect to it.. |
| 02:58.07 | MobyTurbo | !u |
| 02:58.07 | bytewalker | but i can view it from firefox on this comp |
| 02:58.12 | bytewalker | (the placeholder page) |
| 02:58.16 | FieldySnuts | Gnea: i pointed him at apache's docs, if he doesn't want to read, shrug |
| 02:58.24 | bytewalker | oh yaeh, and whats the metapackage to isntall all the compiling stuff? like gmake gcc all that stuff |
| 02:58.42 | strajnar | yes see totem plays streams also but not well until you put all the win and other codecs on the right place |
| 02:58.44 | gravity | bytewalker: build-essential |
| 02:58.49 | theshane | I updated successfully; I tried to install gnome and had this error: 'E: Couldn't find package gnome |
| 02:58.55 | Gnea | ÀÄ[~ ¯ telnet lamebox.dyndns.org 80 |
| 02:58.56 | Gnea | Trying 199.126.217.11... |
| 02:58.56 | Gnea | Connected to d199-126-217-11.abhsia.telus.net. |
| 02:58.56 | Gnea | Escape character is '^]'. |
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| 02:58.56 | MobyTurbo | bytewalker: build-essential |
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| 02:59.00 | Gnea | oops |
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| 02:59.05 | bytewalker | gnea it let u connect? |
| 02:59.07 | Gnea | remember kids |
| 02:59.11 | Gnea | DON'T SPAM |
| 02:59.17 | gravity | theshane: Are you installing off a CD set? Or a netinstall? |
| 02:59.29 | theshane | netinstall |
| 02:59.32 | bytewalker | on my other comp every site seems to work except lamebox.dyndns.org |
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| 02:59.42 | bytewalker | it just stalls at Connecting to ... etc |
| 02:59.44 | gravity | theshane: Actuall, don't worry about it.Just run apt-setup as root, then re-run apt-get update |
| 02:59.46 | Gnea | bytewalker: yeah, via telnet |
| 03:00.02 | gravity | theshane: You'll want to point it at the 'net |
| 03:00.13 | theshane | So, what do I type into the computer? |
| 03:00.21 | gravity | theshane: apt-setup |
| 03:00.31 | theshane | Okay |
| 03:00.35 | gilles | Is it possible to have different font and size for different writting on Gnome ? (like a certain font size when it's written in french, another font size when it's written n chinese) ? |
| 03:01.24 | Gnea | gilles: ... |
| 03:01.58 | gravity | I suppose if you wanted to code that feature yourself... but no way gnome upstream would accept that |
| 03:02.15 | FieldySnuts | gnome devs are extremely stingy about accepting anyone elses code |
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| 03:02.30 | gilles | firefox has the feature already |
| 03:02.41 | FieldySnuts | doesn't really help anything |
| 03:02.51 | gilles | for people having to deal with chinese, that's very important |
| 03:03.06 | gravity | Maybe it is there, I dunno |
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| 03:03.41 | xal | so i just get kernel-sources-2.6.10 from apt. now whats the next step to get that installed and activated |
| 03:03.50 | theshane | I ran the setup and updated again but I got the same 'E: Couldn't find package gnome' error |
| 03:03.54 | xal | i can do it manually. is this what i'm expected to do? |
| 03:03.59 | llama32 | how do i start two apps at once from the command line? as in fork()... |
| 03:04.02 | TheBlueWizard | gravity: what's going on with gnome devs? are they getting too big for their britches? |
| 03:04.05 | gravity | theshane: What apt sources are you using? |
| 03:04.07 | Gnea | xal: unpack it, configure it, compile that bitch and slap it up against the firewall |
| 03:04.15 | xal | aight |
| 03:04.19 | gilles | for example, my system is in chinese, i have to use a font size of 14 for chinese characters to be correctly displayed, but all the latin characters are in size 14 too, which is too big |
| 03:04.20 | gravity | TheBlueWizard: Huh? They just have a policy against 'too much stuff' |
| 03:04.23 | Gnea | <PROTECTED> |
| 03:04.24 | theshane | ftp://ftp.us.debian.org I believe |
| 03:04.31 | TheBlueWizard | ah ok |
| 03:04.41 | gravity | theshane: Did you install with the woody netinstaller or the new one? |
| 03:04.57 | theshane | woody |
| 03:05.12 | theshane | That's just what it installed for me I think |
| 03:05.37 | Gnea | gilles: didn't china make their own linux? |
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| 03:05.59 | gilles | Gnea: and then ? |
| 03:06.06 | Gnea | and then what? |
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| 03:06.34 | green_earz | theshane: here a link for the sarge net installer >http://cdimage.debian.org/pub/cdimage-testing/daily/i386/20050311/ |
| 03:06.44 | gilles | Gnea: I don't care of the chinese distro of Linux, it's surely wouldn't be as good as debian and ubuntu |
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| 03:07.26 | Gnea | gilles: you've tried it? do the fonts look like what you're describing on it? |
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| 03:07.31 | gravity | theshane: Try apt-get install gnome-core |
| 03:07.39 | theshane | Okay |
| 03:07.42 | idbl | how do i get netstat to display an entire tcp6 address? |
| 03:07.56 | Gnea | heh.. |
| 03:07.56 | gravity | It must have changed since woody. It's been so long since I used woody that I really don't remember it |
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| 03:08.33 | theshane | I believe it's working |
| 03:08.35 | Mendeleth | hi everyone :) |
| 03:08.46 | gilles | Gnea: What do you think a chinese distro will use... Gnome or KDE probably, if the feature isn't integrated to gnome or kde, then i guess it won't in any distro |
| 03:09.01 | Mendeleth | theshane try apt-cache search gnome |
| 03:09.24 | idbl | i'm trying to get the ip of a computer that's ssh'd to my box, but netstat displays it as a long tcp6 address that gets cut off |
| 03:09.29 | gravity | gnome-core should work. He can add more stuff later. |
| 03:09.43 | gilles | Gnea: i recognize not having tried them, but i'm really not interested by "national" distro |
| 03:09.48 | gravity | With tasksel. That's definitely more his speed. |
| 03:10.21 | idbl | i can get it from the logs, but it would be quicker and easier from netstat |
| 03:10.28 | Gnea | gilles: i have no idea, i have no use for chinese glyphs so I wouldn't personally use it - what i'm wondering is if these chinese-based distros have a properly setup font system for gnome or kde environment(s) perhaps it would be possible to replicate that setup on another distro - stranger things have happened |
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| 03:10.39 | scarynetworkguy | idbl: The first step is to put down the crack pipe and stop talking about things that don't exist. |
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| 03:11.24 | theshane | gnome-core worked |
| 03:11.29 | theshane | Now what do I do? |
| 03:11.30 | Gnea | idbl: who ? |
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| 03:12.03 | Mendeleth | theshane startx |
| 03:12.13 | idbl | scarynetworkguy: things that don't exist? |
| 03:12.26 | idbl | tcp6 0 0 ::ffff:192.168.0.4:22 ::ffff:192.168.0.:51758 ESTABLISHED |
| 03:12.53 | FieldySnuts | ass. that's ipv4. |
| 03:12.54 | gilles | Gnea: anyway, i guess this problem has been reported, at least by many people such like me, or by chinese or japanese people, and so that some people are working on it |
| 03:12.54 | scarynetworkguy | idbl: There is no such thing as a tcp address. In any version. |
| 03:12.59 | calin | w00t for IPv6 |
| 03:13.06 | calin | woah |
| 03:13.06 | calin | wait |
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| 03:13.09 | calin | haha |
| 03:13.10 | theshane | I get 'bash: startx: command not found' |
| 03:13.11 | calin | IPv4 |
| 03:13.19 | scarynetworkguy | And yes those are IPv4 addresses. |
| 03:13.35 | FieldySnuts | try lsof -i tcp:22 instead |
| 03:13.44 | Gnea | gilles: sounds like a step in the right direction then |
| 03:13.58 | Mendeleth | theshane did you install x-window-system-core? |
| 03:14.07 | theshane | I don't think so |
| 03:14.22 | idbl | ok, maybe i don't know what i'm talking about, but how do I get netstat to display the full address? |
| 03:14.22 | gravity | theshane: Run tasksel and have it install a desktop system for you |
| 03:14.23 | green_earz | theshane: apt-get install x-window-system-core it looks like xserver is not installed |
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| 03:14.27 | gravity | theshane: That'll save you a lot of pain |
| 03:14.43 | Mendeleth | theshane yup run tasksel ;) |
| 03:14.50 | gravity | tasksel is definitely your speed |
| 03:14.52 | theshane | Okay |
| 03:14.59 | Fluten | how would i remove a hold on a package? |
| 03:15.06 | Fluten | when i do /msg apt hold, it only tells me how to set one |
| 03:15.07 | theshane | just type 'tasksel' in? |
| 03:15.11 | gravity | theshane: yes |
| 03:15.12 | calin | cool, tasksel... nifteh |
| 03:15.17 | perdenab | i tried the floppy-based network install for sarge... didn't work... none of the debian mirrors have the right files for it to complete |
| 03:15.18 | Mendeleth | theshane yup |
| 03:15.32 | calin | theshane: gotta hit enter also |
| 03:15.33 | gravity | Fluten: Just use dselect or aptitude. It's just a single keypress |
| 03:15.34 | perdenab | is this part of sarge not yet being a full release? |
| 03:15.44 | Mendeleth | lol |
| 03:16.42 | idbl | the lsof solution doesn't work |
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| 03:17.31 | theshane | calin: thanks, I feel stupid |
| 03:17.53 | calin | theshane: </sarcasm> i hope? |
| 03:18.03 | theshane | calin: yes |
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| 03:18.16 | clueless | Hey, I am writing a script to point /dev/cdrom to /dev/hd[abcd] as appropriate. Right now I am digging through /var/log/syslog with python regular expression, but is there better way to do this? |
| 03:18.27 | wishie | i have a directory, and would like to make 4.5gb tar.bz2's of the files in this dir..is there an easy way to do that ? |
| 03:18.28 | calin | theshane: sorry, i never know who i'm dealing with, some people will type the command and sit and stare at it |
| 03:18.59 | maher | wishie: to write do dvd? |
| 03:19.05 | wishie | maher: no |
| 03:19.08 | wishie | well, yes, as data |
| 03:19.12 | wishie | not a video dvd |
| 03:19.28 | theshane | calin: It's okay, I've been using windows for a long time and that's the only os I know how to use. I just recently learned how to use macosx |
| 03:19.36 | maher | wishie: iso9660 has problems with files over 2G - make the chunks about 1G or something |
| 03:19.51 | theshane | calin: I could use exact instructions |
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| 03:20.05 | calin | theshane: well good luck to you. I've used windows for a long time also, i moved to linux about 1.5 years ago and deleted my windows partition on the first day |
| 03:20.12 | wishie | maher: ok, but the question is, how do i make the chunks ? |
| 03:20.17 | BBearr | How do I change a user to a super user? I've looked through the man pages for usermod, but don't really see what I'm looking for. |
| 03:20.17 | maher | wishie: google dirsplit |
| 03:20.39 | maher | BBearr: su? |
| 03:20.40 | gravity | BBearr: Like as a permanent superuser? |
| 03:20.49 | BBearr | that's right |
| 03:20.56 | gravity | What's right? su? |
| 03:21.06 | theshane | calin: thanks |
| 03:21.18 | calin | BBearr: or sudo |
| 03:21.37 | BBearr | I want to be able to access all files from gnome. |
| 03:21.43 | maher | wishie: actually mayeb that won't work with gzip |
| 03:21.45 | gravity | Oh dear god |
| 03:21.47 | theshane | calin: I have two hard drives so I didn't really need to delete windows yet. If I like linux, I'll probably delete windows |
| 03:21.54 | kreg | how do you set a channel to voice only?? |
| 03:21.55 | gravity | BBearr: That's just asking for trouble |
| 03:22.03 | jim | BBearr: better you don't do that for a lot of reasons others are going to explain to you now :) |
| 03:22.09 | maher | BBearr: what do you want to do exactly? |
| 03:22.19 | calin | theshane: I have 4 40 GB hard drives, I didn't /need/ to delete windows, i /wanted/ to. hahaha |
| 03:22.25 | fooz | there any other systems like Zope and Pliant? (self-contained app server / web-connected programming environment) |
| 03:22.32 | wishie | maher: perhaps i can just use rar or something ? |
| 03:22.36 | gravity | fooz: Rails |
| 03:22.52 | BBearr | I can't log into gnome as root. When I log in with BBearr, I can't see any files other than BBearr's files. |
| 03:23.10 | maher | wishie: i just make a big tar.gz and then run split on it |
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| 03:23.23 | gravity | BBearr: Why can't you log in to gnome as root? |
| 03:23.33 | wishie | maher: i dont have the space to make a big tar.gz though..heh |
| 03:23.33 | BBearr | gnome says so. |
| 03:23.35 | calin | BBearr: gksu <your file viewer> |
| 03:23.38 | wishie | i sorta needed to do it in parts |
| 03:23.49 | Mendeleth | BBear that's normal just install gksu |
| 03:23.55 | calin | BBearr: like for me it's 'gksu nautilus' |
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| 03:24.27 | theshane | calin: haha |
| 03:24.37 | calin | theshane: =] |
| 03:24.45 | BBearr | I'm not sure what file viewer I'm using. |
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| 03:25.00 | BBearr | I'm on sarge. |
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| 03:25.25 | colby | grr, dpkg not responding in /msg |
| 03:25.47 | theshane | It appears I'm installing KDE as well? It's taking a while to install this. I actually ran tasksel before and it took 1-2 hours and when it was done, I got an error |
| 03:26.09 | maher | colby: try apt |
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| 03:26.49 | colby | no word from apt either :o( |
| 03:27.05 | maher | colby: apt talks to me |
| 03:27.10 | colby | hmm |
| 03:27.25 | colby | i'm identified (not that that should matter) |
| 03:27.37 | BBearr | Where do I look to find out what file viewer I'm using? |
| 03:27.48 | colby | replies to pings, too |
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| 03:28.11 | colby | that worked, though |
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| 03:29.05 | maher | BBearr: does it say on the title bar? |
| 03:29.44 | theshane | Is it bad to have both GNOME and KDE installed? |
| 03:29.59 | BBearr | I found it... Nautilus 2.8.2 |
| 03:30.07 | Mendeleth | theshane do you understand french? because i got a really good url for you |
| 03:30.31 | BBearr | So I gksu nautilus? |
| 03:30.42 | Mendeleth | theshane no you can have all the filemanager you want |
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| 03:31.01 | Mendeleth | BBearr try it... |
| 03:31.16 | |slocate | anybody's tried to access the dell jukebox? |
| 03:31.32 | BBearr | "Authentication rejected" |
| 03:31.55 | theshane | Mendeleth: I understand very very little French |
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| 03:32.23 | theshane | Mendeleth: I could translate the page thoguh |
| 03:32.28 | Mendeleth | BBearr try gksu nautilus & |
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| 03:33.05 | Mendeleth | theshane http://people.via.ecp.fr/~alexis/formation-linux/ |
| 03:33.55 | gravity | theshane: No, it's totally fine to have both gnome and kde installed |
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| 03:34.11 | gravity | theshane: Debian won't let you have two things together that shouldn't be there at the same time |
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| 03:34.41 | BBearr | I stil get "Authentication rejected, reason : None of the authentication protocols specified are supported and host-based authentication failed." |
| 03:35.11 | maher | BBearr: what files do you want to look at? |
| 03:35.39 | theshane | gravity: that's a good thing |
| 03:35.43 | BBearr | I want GUI access to all files. |
| 03:35.59 | Mendeleth | BBearr bizarre, it works normally... |
| 03:36.05 | maher | BBearr: _all_ files or all files in /home/*? |
| 03:36.18 | BBearr | All files on the hard drive. |
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| 03:36.38 | Phated | That error messages looked like an SSH thing, though. |
| 03:36.52 | maher | BBearr: what exactly did you type |
| 03:36.56 | calin | BBearr: using gksu with nautilus gives me that error also, but i can access all files on the hd anyways |
| 03:36.57 | theshane | I already use OpenOffice and FireFox, so the switch from windows to linux shouldn't be hard |
| 03:37.42 | mwilson | Why would anyone with any clue at all run Nautilus as root? |
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| 03:38.11 | Louis^^ | I have wireless PCI card id#168c:0012 I cannot find driver for my nec laptop. the card is a built-in mini pci. |
| 03:38.12 | mwilson | Or at all, but that's another issue. |
| 03:38.30 | Louis^^ | CAn any one help? |
| 03:38.36 | FieldySnuts | mwilson: to eat up loads of ram? |
| 03:38.38 | briareus | theshane> you are quite right, but don't stray far from a commandline |
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| 03:38.43 | maher | Louis^^: do you know what driver it needs? |
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| 03:38.47 | BBearr | What I want is to be able to look at the directory structure, find system files and where they reside in the system, etc. through the GUI Gnome. |
| 03:39.15 | Louis^^ | i had a look but noone has tried this card before. |
| 03:39.27 | Louis^^ | so no. |
| 03:39.32 | maher | Louis^^: what laptop |
| 03:39.37 | mwilson | BBearr: And why does that require running Nautilus as root? |
| 03:39.45 | Louis^^ | nec versa m320 |
| 03:40.41 | Louis^^ | exit |
| 03:40.44 | Louis^^ | bn |
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| 03:41.09 | maher | Louis^^: http://www.linux-on-laptops.com/nec.html <-- try that |
| 03:41.22 | Louis^^ | ok thanks. |
| 03:41.22 | BBearr | Let me try again... when I boot up, I get a login screen that will not allow me to log in as 'root'. I log in as BBearr. The only files I can see are in the GUI are BBearr's files. I want access through the GUI to the entire system. |
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| 03:41.40 | briareus | BBearr> its not generally a great idea |
| 03:41.47 | gravity | BBearr: You should be able to see all the files in the system, with rare exceptions, in the gui |
| 03:41.51 | maher | BBearr: hang on - you should be able to view all world readable files as BBearr |
| 03:41.54 | gravity | BBearr: I certaintly can |
| 03:41.59 | mwilson | BBearr: Yes, so browse to some other part of the system. |
| 03:42.13 | BBearr | I can't get outside of /home/bbearr |
| 03:42.18 | gravity | BBearr: Why not? |
| 03:42.18 | mwilson | BBearr: Nonsense. |
| 03:42.22 | BBearr | the other files are locked. |
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| 03:42.31 | gravity | BBearr: Well yeah, you can't edit those files |
| 03:42.32 | briareus | BBearr> you can switch user at prompt |
| 03:42.36 | maher | BBearr: what do you do - what happens |
| 03:42.56 | BBearr | I get a cute little "lock" icon |
| 03:43.03 | briareus | he's probably trying to look outside his branch from the KDE or Gnome desktop |
| 03:43.16 | briareus | instead of su-ing to root at cli |
| 03:43.17 | maher | BBearr: but you can still browse the directories? |
| 03:43.18 | BBearr | I'm using the Gnome desktop |
| 03:43.18 | mwilson | BBearr: First you say you can't go there, now you say you can go there but they're locked. Which is it? |
| 03:43.35 | mwilson | BBearr: And, assuming they're locked, what makes you think you need to change any of them? |
| 03:43.45 | BBearr | I can't get outside /home/bbearr |
| 03:43.46 | gravity | BBearr: Those files are locked because you don't have permission to access them. Running nautilus as root is the wrong solution to your problem |
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| 03:44.07 | maher | BBearr: can't you look at / |
| 03:44.14 | briareus | BBearr> if you need to, you could open a terminal, su to root, then start the file browser from that prompt, then its a client process owned by root. But you should just use the commandline as root to browse |
| 03:44.36 | Mendeleth | BBearr open an xterm and type 'cd /' then type 'ls' |
| 03:44.48 | BBearr | That's not what I want to do. I can do that now. I want to be able to use the GUI. |
| 03:45.11 | briareus | I mean like if you want to edit a .conf file using kwrite or whatever then start the kwrite or whatever editor from a root prompt |
| 03:45.12 | mwilson | BBearr: Then do so. |
| 03:45.21 | jetscreamer | you could always apt-get install a_clue |
| 03:45.25 | Mendeleth | BBearr do it... normally you should see the 'root tree' |
| 03:45.30 | briareus | jetscreamer> be polite |
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| 03:45.34 | briareus | :P |
| 03:45.40 | llama32 | lol |
| 03:45.56 | Mendeleth | BBearr ah ok... |
| 03:45.56 | jetscreamer | ok... pretty please :) |
| 03:46.07 | maher | BBearr: describe exactly what you do and what happens that you don't like |
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| 03:46.53 | Mendeleth | BBearr try just 'gksu &' |
| 03:47.02 | jetscreamer | ah yeah that weekend thing.. i haven't had weekends in years.... |
| 03:47.14 | jetscreamer | 24/7/365 workie sux |
| 03:47.21 | jetscreamer | on_call and all |
| 03:47.30 | Mendeleth | BBearr normally you should see a prompt |
| 03:47.32 | mwilson | Why does everyone try to tell him how to be root? He doesn't need to be root. |
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| 03:47.44 | mwilson | The *last* thing *he* needs is to be root. |
| 03:47.56 | Mendeleth | mwilson lol |
| 03:48.01 | jetscreamer | or is it... muhuhahahaha |
| 03:48.15 | BBearr | I'm getting the tree now, but I wasn't getting it before. The 'gksu' must have done something, even though it said "Authentication rejected" |
| 03:48.31 | maher | BBearr: you should get the tree even as a normal user |
| 03:48.32 | mwilson | Root is not ANY sort of solution to the problem he thinks he has, or to the problem he *actually* has. |
| 03:48.33 | gravity | No, you should have the tree no matter what |
| 03:48.41 | gravity | And you should be able to view any file you have access to read |
| 03:48.56 | Chameleon22 | can i get some help with a scanner? i tried scanimage -L and that seems to see the scanner but when i try sane-find-scanner it doesnt see it so obviousely cant use it via gimp etc |
| 03:49.08 | fooz | it's depressing that MUD servers are more powerful than most app servers out there |
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| 03:49.15 | jetscreamer | are you in the scanner & sane groups |
| 03:49.22 | jetscreamer | or was it xsane |
| 03:49.34 | BBearr | folks, I appreciate humor too, but if I want to trash the entire system and rebuild it several times, it's my system. |
| 03:49.36 | llama32 | is there any reason that bash is used by default as opposed to csh or anything else? |
| 03:49.38 | maher | Chameleon22: what sort of scanner |
| 03:49.46 | jetscreamer | 108(scanner),109(saned) |
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| 03:50.00 | Mendeleth | mwilson well you always learn from your mistake, if he wats to crash his system it's his own business |
| 03:50.01 | Chameleon22 | maber benq but it sees it as an acer which is fine ... according to sane site |
| 03:50.10 | briareus | BBearr> I built my system twice today :) |
| 03:50.11 | mwilson | llama32: Is there any reason it shouldn't be, as opposed to csh or anything else? If you want one of those, use them. |
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| 03:50.22 | Chameleon22 | jetscreamer: tried as root so shouldnt matter |
| 03:50.35 | fooz | llama32, csh is evil.. that's my favorite reason |
| 03:50.58 | jetscreamer | BBearr, easiest way is add yourself to the sudo group, edit /etc/sudoers add yourself, then from a console just sudo nautilus or whatefver |
| 03:51.05 | maher | Chameleon22: does xsane find your scanner |
| 03:51.06 | llama32 | just wondering if there was some great feature i failed to notice... |
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| 03:51.14 | fooz | llama32, the existence of a posix bourne shell at /bin/sh is codified in debian though |
| 03:51.19 | mwilson | BBearr: Yes, but it's unlikely anyone wants to listen to you complain after you destroy it. |
| 03:51.25 | fooz | llama32, so that's what is used by a lot of scripts and things |
| 03:51.56 | holycow | BBearr, heh, just hose fucking thing, it's the best way to learn |
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| 03:52.12 | Chameleon22 | maher: it returns error:: failed to open device snapscan:/dev/usb/scanner0 invalid argument |
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| 03:55.03 | llama32 | does bash have an option to get the history (as in when u press the up button) like in csh, where you type in something and press up and it gives you the last thing starting with it? |
| 03:55.22 | gravity | llama32: ctrl-r <typeyourthing> |
| 03:55.27 | gravity | llama32: Also works in zsh |
| 03:55.46 | Mendeleth | llama22 yup |
| 03:56.03 | llama32 | k thanks :) |
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| 03:56.12 | maher | Chameleon22: dunno |
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| 03:56.36 | Chameleon22 | k |
| 03:56.44 | Linuxs | How do I do to get X-chat transparent? I |
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| 03:58.16 | llama32 | its in preferences, Linuxs... |
| 03:58.16 | llama32 | is in mine anyway |
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| 03:58.46 | llama32 | under interface > text box > transparent background |
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| 04:00.17 | sparr_ | how can i disable something from being started when i boot? i know i can just delete the script from /etc/init.d/ but then what if i ever want that nice script back? |
| 04:00.18 | Linuxs | ... |
| 04:00.26 | sparr_ | whats the 'right' way? |
| 04:00.38 | kill_daemon | hi i am having trouble. i have a remote machine that i told to shutdown -h now as root, but it didnt shut down because some processes were not completed running. i am still logged on. Now i changed my mind. and i dont want to shutdown the machine. I now tried to kill the process that is qued to shutdown the machine (i got the pid and i tried as root kill -9 pid. when i do ps aux it still show the process but the STAT field |
| 04:00.39 | kill_daemon | means "asleep and not interruptable" is there any way to kill it? |
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| 04:01.12 | llama32 | sparr_ rename/move it? |
| 04:01.22 | llama32 | not the right way, but still :) |
| 04:01.25 | witless | sparr: update-rc.d |
| 04:01.26 | sparr_ | that seems... brute forceish |
| 04:01.27 | maher | kill_daemon: sutdown -c |
| 04:01.54 | maher | kill_daemon: as described in man shutdown |
| 04:02.11 | witless | eg, update-rc.d apache2 remove |
| 04:02.25 | witless | or, to put it back, update-rc.d apache2 defaults |
| 04:03.13 | sparr_ | ive got a few dozen processes running that i dont want. some are obvious |
| 04:03.17 | sparr_ | but one is running called 'lisa' |
| 04:03.22 | sparr_ | now, man lisa tells me about A lisa |
| 04:03.28 | sparr_ | but that cant (i hope) be the right lisa |
| 04:03.41 | sparr_ | why would a picture-drawing program be running on my machine in the background? |
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| 04:04.21 | kill_daemon | interesting. i was unaware of that option. Now i tried shutdown -c and it says cannot find pid of running shutdown |
| 04:04.45 | maher | kill_daemon: did you try and kill the shutdown process? |
| 04:04.51 | sparr_ | thanks witless |
| 04:04.59 | kill_daemon | but i see 3 of them ( i was very agressive in trying it. Yes it did kill -9 pid |
| 04:05.18 | theshane | I installed gnome successfully but when I type startx and press enter, I get 'Fatal server error: no screens found' Does anyone know what's causing this? |
| 04:05.28 | kill_daemon | but it still says root 19273 0.0 0.0 1680 636 ? D Mar11 0:00 shutdown -h 0 w ~ |
| 04:05.49 | witless | n.p. |
| 04:05.53 | maher | kill_daemon: i dunno how you clean that up - probably easiest just to reboot |
| 04:06.01 | gravity | theshane: You haven't configure X correctly. dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xfree86 |
| 04:06.04 | jpeg | is there a way to tell what cipher I'm using while ssh-ing? |
| 04:06.12 | Mendeleth | theshane what is your graphic card? |
| 04:06.30 | maher | sparr_: lisa - LAN Information Server |
| 04:06.36 | kill_daemon | That is humerous. the machine is 20 miles away. shutdown -r now was an attempt to reboot |
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| 04:06.54 | kill_daemon | then i got very aggressive and did shutdown -h now |
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| 04:07.04 | maher | kill_daemon: and why didn't that work? |
| 04:07.11 | theshane | Mendeleth: PNY Tech. NVIDIA GeForce FX |
| 04:07.20 | sparr_ | maher: i see... lack of a man page bothers me |
| 04:07.23 | elPepo | hi friends... |
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| 04:07.43 | maher | sparr_: try apropos lisa |
| 04:07.52 | Mendeleth | theshane so type dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xfree86 |
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| 04:07.58 | maher | sparr_: or look in /usr/share/doc |
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| 04:08.09 | sparr_ | maher: tried apropos of course |
| 04:08.13 | Eclipsed | anyone here familier with pxe and/or tftp? |
| 04:08.14 | elPepo | Do i can use Asterisk with normal telephonic lines ? (no VoIP) |
| 04:08.39 | sparr_ | elPepo: i think so |
| 04:08.44 | sparr_ | elPepo: try #asterisk? |
| 04:08.45 | kill_daemon | i dont know . i have some runaway [pstgresql processes and maybe until they stop machine wont stop. also i had a failed secondary drive on a raid1 and i told it to rsyc to a new drive i added to the raid |
| 04:08.55 | Mendeleth | theshane choose psaux for your mouse(normally) the driver for your card is called 'nv' |
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| 04:09.19 | kill_daemon | i have never seen a machine refuse to die with shutdown -h now |
| 04:09.20 | sparr_ | wtf |
| 04:09.21 | sparr_ | tamagochid |
| 04:09.27 | sparr_ | i soooo dont need that running |
| 04:09.36 | Eclipsed | kill_daemon, ha, skynet. |
| 04:09.36 | briareus | kill_daemon> me neither |
| 04:09.44 | kill_daemon | i was thinking killing init but never got around to it |
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| 04:10.04 | theshane | I have a usb mouse |
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| 04:10.52 | grendal_prime | what is the disadvantage to mozilla again? |
| 04:11.02 | sparr_ | grendal_prime: compared to what? |
| 04:11.03 | Nem[Laptop] | anyone know if a UMC 863 ISA IDE controller will work under Linux? Google spits out hundreds of hits to the "PCI Howto" where some guy was having problems with it... but nothing really helpful |
| 04:11.04 | FieldySnuts | friggin resource hog/slow |
| 04:11.05 | grendal_prime | i mean as opposed to firefox.. |
| 04:11.16 | grendal_prime | mozilla sure seems to work well |
| 04:11.17 | briareus | friggin resource hog/slow |
| 04:11.18 | FieldySnuts | it's a suite, firefox is just a browser |
| 04:11.18 | sparr_ | grendal_prime: mozilla suite is slower than firefox |
| 04:11.25 | kill_daemon | anyway am i right in interpreting the meaning of the D in the line ps aux |
| 04:11.27 | Mendeleth | theshane also remove Load "dri"; Load "GLcore" option |
| 04:11.29 | llama32 | grendal_prime: slow, ugly default interface [in my opinion] |
| 04:11.32 | FieldySnuts | @lart briareus |
| 04:11.46 | grendal_prime | well..it works pretty well on this machine |
| 04:11.55 | Mendeleth | theshane choose usb mouse so |
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| 04:12.49 | llama32 | grendal_prime: try it on a 200mhz/64mb box and compare speed to firefox & opera :D |
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| 04:14.02 | grendal_prime | o |
| 04:14.16 | DFuzzy1 | howdy. I just compiled the 2.6.11 kernel, but xfree86 complains about not finding any synaptics touchpad on my laptop. |
| 04:14.20 | grendal_prime | well..i have serveral of those lying here...but thats ok..i only use them for db and web servers |
| 04:14.35 | llama32 | take a look at ur free memory before & after mozilla starts too :) |
| 04:14.49 | DFuzzy1 | I read that USB legacy emulation breaks synaptics detection, but I don't know how to change the order of module loading in debian |
| 04:18.01 | llama32 | xanaloguetv is the best screensaver :) |
| 04:18.08 | xal | i'm getting a kernel panic about can't mount root fs /dev/hda1 |
| 04:18.14 | xal | works fine with debian stock kernel |
| 04:18.17 | xal | what could be missing? |
| 04:18.39 | xal | hda1 is ext3 and i compiled that into the kernel directly |
| 04:18.57 | llama32 | maybe the fstab says hda1, but the new kernel calls it something else [unlikely but maybe...]? |
| 04:19.12 | dark_construct | has anyone gotten the nvidia driver to work unter debina testing? |
| 04:19.15 | xal | no i made sure. grub says root=/dev/hda1 |
| 04:19.41 | xal | the kernel panic comes really early. and since it complains about /dev/hda1 i'm sure it has never accessed fstab |
| 04:19.41 | briareus | dark_construct> yeah I did a while back, but that was kernel 2.4 days |
| 04:19.54 | glutinous | DFuzzy1: try /etc/modules? |
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| 04:20.08 | socko | hi |
| 04:20.10 | dark_construct | i'm using 2.4.27 |
| 04:20.16 | L00thar | Is there a good tutorial on the module subsystem in Debian? |
| 04:20.32 | xal | does debian need /devfs ? |
| 04:20.37 | DFuzzy1 | my modules files only has ide-cd and ide-detect in it... is it normal to have so few entries? |
| 04:20.52 | bob2 | yes |
| 04:20.59 | glutinous | xal: if it is an ide drive, make sure you have the ide options compiled in |
| 04:21.05 | glutinous | xal: same for scsi.. or whatever |
| 04:21.05 | theshane | Mendeleth: remove both "dri" and "GLcore"? |
| 04:21.12 | briareus | dark_construct> driver "nvidia", commented dri and glcore |
| 04:21.21 | Mendeleth | theshane yup |
| 04:21.24 | briareus | uncommented glx |
| 04:21.25 | xal | glutinous ide. do you have anything specific in mind? |
| 04:21.39 | briareus | restarted X, worked. |
| 04:21.49 | dark_construct | did you install the run file from ividia |
| 04:21.50 | briareus | (that was i think the 5331 nvidia installer) |
| 04:21.51 | DFuzzy1 | it says to load the psmouse module after the usb modules... so how do I go about doing that? |
| 04:21.56 | briareus | yes^^ |
| 04:21.59 | DFuzzy1 | never had this problem with 2.4 |
| 04:22.04 | glutinous | xal: can't remember off the top of my head... but just make any options that are related to ide compiled in, and not as a module |
| 04:22.06 | llama32 | anyone know of a clone of the 'say' (i think its say) command from macosx? theres apps that read everything on the screen out, so i figure there must be something that says what you type in |
| 04:22.20 | bob2 | llama32: festival |
| 04:22.28 | theshane | Mendeleth: What do I select as my mouse since mine is usb? |
| 04:22.28 | llama32 | great thanks :) |
| 04:22.30 | bob2 | tho it's been around for like a decade longer than mac os x |
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| 04:23.08 | travisat | yes. I just got software suspend to work finally. if only it would work with x running |
| 04:23.25 | xal | screw this i'm gonna get a vanilla kernel |
| 04:23.51 | glutinous | xal: Device Drivers -> ATA/ATAPI/MFM/RLL support for instance |
| 04:23.58 | bob2 | travisat: does chvt'ing first help? |
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| 04:24.32 | glutinous | xal: Include IDE/ATA-2 DISK support, generic/default IDE chipset support, Generic PCI IDE Chipset Support... that kind of stuff :) |
| 04:24.39 | glutinous | xal: ah don't give up, it's not that bad :) |
| 04:24.40 | xal | glutinous fun. that was really a module |
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| 04:25.09 | glutinous | xal: i didint list all of them... so look out for others |
| 04:25.27 | xal | glutinous certainly |
| 04:25.28 | travisat | chvt'ing? |
| 04:25.32 | xal | glutinous thanks for the pointer |
| 04:25.39 | glutinous | xal: nps :) |
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| 04:25.46 | bob2 | travisat: switching to a VT instead of suspending from X |
| 04:25.51 | bob2 | as opposed to killing it |
| 04:25.58 | travisat | ah, I have to try that |
| 04:26.02 | travisat | brb |
| 04:26.04 | grendal_prime | well turbotaxfortheweb works with mozilla |
| 04:26.15 | grendal_prime | wont work on firefox..werid but it wont |
| 04:26.18 | llama32 | and anyone know of a tool for creating custom debian install discs? |
| 04:26.19 | Mendeleth | theshane /dev/input/mice |
| 04:26.28 | bob2 | llama32: /msg dpkg custom netinst |
| 04:26.34 | llama32 | or is it to be done manuallt? |
| 04:26.34 | bob2 | depends what you want to customise |
| 04:26.35 | theshane | Mendeleth: okay, thanks |
| 04:26.39 | gravity | bobtooooooo |
| 04:26.49 | bob2 | graaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaavity |
| 04:26.56 | travisat | damn that was quick |
| 04:27.05 | gravity | What's up? |
| 04:27.17 | DFuzzy1 | so does anyone know what I should do in debian to make sure psmouse loads after the usb modules? |
| 04:27.26 | bob2 | avoiding work, since it's a sunday |
| 04:27.26 | llama32 | bob2: packages |
| 04:27.33 | bob2 | where work = fixing baz bugs |
| 04:27.33 | travisat | woohoo it works with |
| 04:27.35 | travisat | X |
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| 04:27.42 | bob2 | llama32: as in the default package selecgtion? |
| 04:27.44 | socko | Does anybody know if VMWare worstation 5 installs on Debian? or does it only work under red hat |
| 04:27.44 | bob2 | DFuzzy1: why? |
| 04:27.47 | gravity | bob2: Cool. I managed to actualy go to work for a few hours today |
| 04:28.04 | bob2 | gravity: work = phd stuff? or you have something else on the side? |
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| 04:28.13 | Plork | hi there, I was wondering if anyone could kindly tell me what the advantages of caudium are over apache ? Debian seems to install it by default lately as the webserver... |
| 04:28.20 | gravity | bob2: Nope, phd stuff |
| 04:28.20 | Mendeleth | theshane last thing...you must add your user account to the video group; adduser 'username' video |
| 04:28.33 | llama32 | bob2: as in the packages on the disc |
| 04:28.39 | bob2 | llama32: oh, that's easy |
| 04:28.43 | bob2 | aiui |
| 04:28.52 | bob2 | IANAD-IHacker |
| 04:28.58 | bob2 | gravity: ah |
| 04:28.59 | cafuego | BRAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAANES |
| 04:29.09 | bob2 | cafuego: s/^/mem/ |
| 04:29.19 | theshane | Mendeleth: Write default DRI section to configuration file? |
| 04:29.33 | Mendeleth | theshane no i think |
| 04:29.36 | briareus | gravity> Im used to rpm's. in rpmland, you can: rpm -qa | grep packagename ...to find out whats installed. what's a deb equivalent? |
| 04:29.38 | cafuego | socko: Should run under debian. |
| 04:29.39 | theshane | Okay |
| 04:29.39 | glutinous | DFuzzy1: put it in /etc/modules, the names of the modules you want to load :) |
| 04:29.41 | llama32 | aiui? |
| 04:29.55 | socko | cool man. I will try it. |
| 04:30.19 | cafuego | socko: I'm told vmware 5 will even run 1) under 2.6 kernels and 2) on AMD64 boxen |
| 04:30.27 | bob2 | briareus: dpkg -l packagename |
| 04:30.28 | bob2 | briareus: I think |
| 04:30.34 | briareus | thanks bob2 |
| 04:31.04 | socko | Nice. I'm getting an AMB64 box shortly and was wanting to set it up to run vmware |
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| 04:31.12 | briareus | thats for already installed packages? |
| 04:31.26 | bob2 | briareus: maybe just explain what 'rpm -qa' does |
| 04:31.30 | socko | and 2.6 kernel |
| 04:31.40 | DFuzzy1 | glutinous: unfortunately, debian seems to automatically load modules in its own way... if I put psmouse in modules, will that force debian to load it after everything else? |
| 04:32.01 | renegad3 | bob2, rmp = dpkg q = query a = all (i think) |
| 04:32.03 | glutinous | DFuzzy1: stuff in /etc/modules is loaded pretty early on |
| 04:32.09 | llama32 | as with briareus, i would also like to thank bob2 :D |
| 04:32.10 | glutinous | DFuzzy1: so i think most likely it will do what you want |
| 04:32.13 | briareus | bob2> rpm -qa will pony up whatever packages are installed, but not all avaiolable. |
| 04:32.22 | bob2 | briareus: dpkg -l | grep ^ii |
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| 04:32.46 | DFuzzy1 | except I don't really want psmouse to be loaded early on =) |
| 04:32.53 | DFuzzy1 | I guess it's worth a shot |
| 04:33.06 | glutinous | DFuzzy1: then put usb whatever you wanted first? |
| 04:33.07 | bob2 | DFuzzy1: why do you want to change the order? |
| 04:33.14 | briareus | thanks bob2 |
| 04:33.29 | DFuzzy1 | The problem here is that USB legacy emulation breaks Synaptics detection. Therefore pay attention that you load your psmouse module after your USB modules. |
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| 04:33.47 | DFuzzy1 | under the new kernel, xfree86 can't detect any touchpad |
| 04:33.56 | DFuzzy1 | so it goes bonkers when no core pointer is found |
| 04:34.24 | theshane | Mendeleth: It's still giving me the same error |
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| 04:35.04 | theshane | I left the video bus location thing blank because I didn't know what to put there |
| 04:35.07 | Mendeleth | theshane: what does it write? |
| 04:35.14 | dogmeat | what util do i run to reconfigure X? |
| 04:35.27 | bob2 | theshane: that's corect |
| 04:35.28 | bob2 | dogmeat: dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xfree86 |
| 04:35.30 | cafuego | !xcfg |
| 04:35.37 | dogmeat | bob2: thanks |
| 04:35.38 | cafuego | @lart dpkg |
| 04:35.45 | valdyn_ | DFuzzy1: i have a working synaptics touchpad, i have usb, i use kernel 2.6, yet I've never even heared about "legacy usb emulation" or changed anything in module load order |
| 04:36.57 | DFuzzy1 | this is what I get under XFree86.0.log.old |
| 04:36.58 | nvz | valdyn_: legacy USB emulation is a function of the BIOS to emulate PS2 devices. its so you can use your USB keyboard before the OS loads, I.e. for the BIOS configuration or bootloader screen |
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| 04:37.25 | theshane | Mendeleth: Fatal server error: no screens found |
| 04:37.43 | cafuego | !noscreensfound |
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| 04:37.46 | cafuego | @noscreensfound |
| 04:37.46 | ravenbird | i heard noscreensfound is dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xfree86 and SAY NO to the framebuffer question |
| 04:37.49 | valdyn_ | nvz: ah, thanks |
| 04:37.49 | DFuzzy1 | "Touchpad no synaptics event device found (checked 5 nodes) |
| 04:37.54 | cafuego | damn bot |
| 04:38.35 | DFuzzy1 | there is a line about a missing evdev kernel module, but I compiled that directly into the kernel |
| 04:38.58 | DFuzzy1 | under 2.4, there was none of this silliness |
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| 04:39.36 | valdyn_ | DFuzzy1: you want to load usb first, so put *that* into /etc/modules and psmouse only after usb |
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| 04:40.05 | DFuzzy1 | so just "usb" will account for all usb drivers? |
| 04:40.23 | valdyn_ | DFuzzy1: no |
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| 04:41.04 | |slocate | has anybody used libnjb0 to access a dell jukebox? |
| 04:41.07 | nvz | I guess I am not doing so bad, only been back a week, and met up with most all my old friends and neighbors.. already getting involved in local politics again.. but I am getting upset about the people that I haven't managed to locate |
| 04:41.50 | valdyn_ | DFuzzy1: uhci_hcd, ohci_hcd,ehci_hcd : lsmod to see which ones you have |
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| 04:41.56 | wuman | hi can i got the name of a portscanner |
| 04:42.11 | shingouz | wuman: nmap |
| 04:42.14 | wuman | thanks |
| 04:42.31 | Mendeleth | theshane type 'cat /var/log/Xfree86.0.log' |
| 04:43.05 | DFuzzy1 | I have ehci_hcd |
| 04:43.22 | DFuzzy1 | so I type that in first in modules before psmouse? |
| 04:43.31 | nvz | DFuzzy1: ehci_hcd is USB 2.0, and requires one of the other two to work IIRC |
| 04:43.33 | valdyn_ | DFuzzy1: should be one of the other 2 too |
| 04:43.34 | Mendeleth | theshane: seek for (ww) |
| 04:43.44 | c4_ | cafuego: who are the guys that are allways here: you, bob2, and what other gurus? |
| 04:43.55 | Mendeleth | theshane: the first one... |
| 04:44.04 | bob2 | I'm not always here |
| 04:44.05 | nvz | c4_: http://debstats.dontexist.org/ |
| 04:44.09 | bob2 | I just get bored easily |
| 04:44.13 | nvz | heh |
| 04:44.21 | DFuzzy1 | I have usb-uhci, but no other *_hcd stuff |
| 04:44.32 | gravity | bob2: Yeah, you've been better about not wasting all your time here over the past year |
| 04:44.41 | DFuzzy1 | usb 2.0 works fine for me... at least, on 2.4 |
| 04:44.45 | bob2 | hah |
| 04:44.58 | Mendeleth | theshane 'cat /var/log/Xfree86.0.log |more' exactly... |
| 04:44.59 | shingouz | DFuzzy1: usb-uhci is correct |
| 04:45.03 | bob2 | gravity: well, getting paid is good encouragement ;) |
| 04:45.16 | gravity | bob2: Yeah, I can imagine :-) |
| 04:45.28 | c4_ | nvz: my dear friend |
| 04:45.31 | valdyn_ | DFuzzy1: maybe that changed within 2.6.x, i dont know , mine is uhci_hcd |
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| 04:45.49 | c4_ | condor ? |
| 04:45.50 | nvz | c4_: don't hold your breath. (: |
| 04:45.52 | llama32 | anyone know how to start two processes at once from the command line? as in fork() |
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| 04:46.01 | DFuzzy1 | I typed lsmod under 2.4, and that's what it gave me |
| 04:46.10 | bob2 | llama32: that's not how fork works |
| 04:46.13 | bob2 | or shells |
| 04:46.16 | valdyn_ | llama32: <command> & |
| 04:46.24 | llama32 | wow i have exactly 500 packages installed |
| 04:46.31 | DFuzzy1 | you're so cool |
| 04:46.33 | condor | hi every body |
| 04:46.39 | condor | everybody |
| 04:46.40 | theshane | No such file or directory |
| 04:46.44 | shingouz | DFuzzy1: sorry, i have to correct myself. on 2.6 uhci_hcd |
| 04:46.58 | mwilson | Hm, so much for ippl. |
| 04:47.21 | mwilson | too bad, I like that one. |
| 04:47.32 | nvz | wtf is an ippl? |
| 04:47.37 | shingouz | ippl? |
| 04:47.40 | DFuzzy1 | so what should I do to get my touchpad back? =) |
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| 04:47.50 | c4_ | nvz: i sigh? |
| 04:47.53 | mwilson | iU ippl 1.4.14-4 IP protocols logger |
| 04:47.59 | nvz | DFuzzy1: chase down the one who took it |
| 04:48.08 | shingouz | ah.. |
| 04:48.29 | Mendeleth | theshane retry dpkg-reconfigure...you might have made a mistake somewhere... |
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| 04:48.48 | theshane | Mendeleth: I've done that about 6 times |
| 04:48.52 | DFuzzy1 | a brilliant plan indeed. |
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| 04:49.17 | condor | lol |
| 04:49.30 | DFuzzy1 | unfortunately, I don't know where to begin in this quest to make 2.6.11 and xfree86 work for my laptop |
| 04:49.45 | Mendeleth | theshane: well the first time i configured my xserver, i spent 3 days on... lol |
| 04:49.57 | llama32 | bob2: i said fork to try and make it more clear that i wanted to start two processes going at once, rather than one after the other... |
| 04:50.29 | Mendeleth | theshane but i was alone with a debian in my hands... |
| 04:50.39 | nvz | c4_: I am not here to entertain you, or anyone else. Though it may be a coincidence that people become ammused. |
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| 04:50.57 | llama32 | thanks valdyn |
| 04:51.03 | theshane | Manage Xfree86 . . . with debconf? |
| 04:51.13 | Mendeleth | theshane no |
| 04:51.25 | DFuzzy1 | do I need to run that again if I've installed a new kernel? |
| 04:51.27 | theshane | Okay, that might have been the problem? |
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| 04:51.41 | Mendeleth | theshane probably |
| 04:51.52 | nvz | DFuzzy1: considering this is a laptop, I figure the first logical step is to disable USB Legacy Emulation in the BIOS |
| 04:51.56 | nvz | DFuzzy1: then go from there |
| 04:52.21 | DFuzzy1 | there's an option in the bios? then I will go check that out. |
| 04:52.23 | CondoR | what is better debian or slackware |
| 04:52.35 | CondoR | say me please |
| 04:52.36 | DFuzzy1 | you're in a debian channel - take a guess :D |
| 04:52.45 | maiden | somebody knows like config a monitor of 15,4" in xfree with one nvidia 4 440 |
| 04:52.53 | nvz | DFuzzy1: Legacy USB Emulation is a nightmare, if you only had a USB keyboard and needed to use it before the linux kernel booted, I could see trying to work around it.. but otherwise I would not even try. |
| 04:53.24 | c4_ | CondoR: conectiva |
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| 04:53.40 | Mendeleth | Condor with debian you got the apt tools...very useful |
| 04:53.42 | DFuzzy1 | sounds like fun. |
| 04:53.54 | theshane | Mendeleth: It just closes the configuration and takes me back to command |
| 04:53.55 | c4_ | CondoR: corelinux |
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| 04:54.25 | nvz | CondoR: you must have missed the Freenode channel guidelines. I encourage you to read and understand them, before proceeding --> http://freenode.net/channel_guidelines.shtml |
| 04:54.38 | theshane | Mendeleth: Use kernel framebuffer device interface? |
| 04:54.44 | Mendeleth | theshane did you re-run dpkg-reconfigure after? |
| 04:54.57 | nvz | on a related note to the others, _Dont_ _Feed_ _The_ _Trolls_ |
| 04:54.58 | Mendeleth | no i think |
| 04:55.13 | theshane | Mendeleth: Yes, I re-ran it and it still closed it |
| 04:55.25 | CondoR | were you from mendeleth |
| 04:55.28 | kill_daemon | does anyone know what rsync=DELAYED as output from cat /proc/mdstat in raid1 means?? |
| 04:55.30 | CondoR | ?? |
| 04:55.36 | Mendeleth | france |
| 04:55.45 | CondoR | hooo |
| 04:55.49 | CondoR | googd |
| 04:55.51 | CondoR | good |
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| 04:57.28 | cleverAlf | i have a general question ... been lookin for a good video editing pkg that will let me use my OLD camera and capture card (BT848) .. Main Actor and Broadcast 2000 both look only for firewire..!! Any suggestions? |
| 04:58.02 | Plork | hi there, I was wondering if anyone could kindly tell me what the advantages of caudium are over apache ? Debian seems to install it by default lately as the webserver... |
| 04:58.17 | Plork | i.e. does anyone here use caudium ??? |
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| 04:58.39 | spiral | lo |
| 04:58.42 | Mendeleth | theshane does it work? |
| 04:58.45 | nvz | Plork: you mean when you choose "Web Server" in tasksel, you get caudium instead of apache? |
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| 05:00.03 | mwilson | Plork: Debian doesn't install any web server "by default". |
| 05:00.06 | nvz | Plork: try refrain from saying "by default" as debian doesn't do anything you don't instruct it to do. Its not very productive to make assertions like that amongst hundreds of debian users |
| 05:00.46 | nvz | add to that remark, especially when mwilson is looking |
| 05:00.47 | bob2 | Plork: install apache if you want it |
| 05:00.54 | bob2 | then it will not install caiudium |
| 05:00.55 | Eclipsed | is there anyway to create an ext2 partition on using wndows? |
| 05:01.07 | Plork | nvz: nope, synaptic just seems to install it now and it's run by default instead of apache |
| 05:01.08 | bob2 | no |
| 05:01.15 | mwilson | Plork: Wrong again. |
| 05:01.17 | nvz | nope |
| 05:01.32 | nvz | I think my memo about assertions was not groked |
| 05:01.45 | mir | what file do you edit to switch desktop managers in debian, like from gnome to xfce4 or something |
| 05:01.47 | Plork | mwilson: i never chose to install caudium - i just marked all upgrades and it installed itself |
| 05:02.18 | nvz | Plork: then a package you have, depends on it. |
| 05:02.35 | nvz | Plork: mark it for removal in synaptic, and you will see which packages that depend on it, are also removed |
| 05:02.54 | nvz | Plork: then examine that package's dependancies |
| 05:02.54 | CondoR | somebody speak spanish? |
| 05:02.54 | nvz | CondoR: #debian-es |
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| 05:03.01 | CondoR | ok thx |
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| 05:03.41 | briareus | wb dark_construct |
| 05:04.09 | Borg^Queen | Hey people what's the command to reconfig your xserver, screen res? |
| 05:04.20 | mwilson | Borg^Queen: vi |
| 05:04.25 | bob2 | Borg^Queen: dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xfree86 |
| 05:04.30 | briareus | hehe, true enough |
| 05:04.34 | Mendeleth | dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xfree86 |
| 05:04.35 | nvz | I am failing to properly grok the concept of assonance at the moment, but I will get it soon enough. |
| 05:04.45 | gravity | One glorious day I will kill dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xfree86 |
| 05:04.48 | cleverAlf | ok... i don't see a debian-multimedia or -video etc.. can someone recommend a channel that might help me find a viedo editing pkg that will work with my hw? |
| 05:04.52 | briareus | i know for a fact I can be a real assonance |
| 05:05.03 | Borg^Queen | gravity: did i touch a nerver? |
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| 05:05.06 | Borg^Queen | nerve rather |
| 05:05.11 | gravity | Borg^Queen: Nah, it's just not ideal |
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| 05:05.18 | gravity | Borg^Queen: But it works, more or less |
| 05:05.38 | DFuzzy1 | why must 2.6.11 not locate my synaptics touchpad -_- |
| 05:05.45 | brake | hi everyone! |
| 05:05.45 | nvz | briareus: heh, assonance is like if I learned anything at all.. two words that have similar vowel sounds with different consonant endings |
| 05:05.46 | Borg^Queen | More or less is what I need |
| 05:06.03 | theshane | Mendeleth: It still doesn't work |
| 05:06.21 | Mendeleth | theshane arrgh... |
| 05:06.22 | briareus | nvz> example shmample |
| 05:06.23 | bob2 | DFuzzy1: 2.6.11 had a ton of regressions |
| 05:06.24 | Plork | nwz: in any case, is caudium any good ? |
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| 05:06.43 | Solet | hey how can i display a drive volume on a floppy |
| 05:06.51 | nvz | Plork: I've never used it. this isnt really the place to ask that sort of question. |
| 05:07.02 | Plork | nwz: fair enough :) thanx anywayz |
| 05:07.08 | DFuzzy1 | so I should stick with 2.4.27? I was hoping to get acpi and support for my wireless card |
| 05:07.44 | Mendeleth | theshane maybe 'nv' is not the right drive. you have to install the nvidia driver |
| 05:07.58 | nvz | Plork: and #caudium only has one nick present.. so I would ask google or compare their respective project websites, or try them both out and decide for myself, because even if someone made a statement, your milage may very |
| 05:08.18 | nevyn | nv is the disclosed source based driver that doesn't have 3d |
| 05:08.36 | Mendeleth | theshane download it at nvidia web site section Linux IA32 |
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| 05:08.58 | dark_construct | it also doesn't have twinview supprt :-\ |
| 05:09.02 | nvz | Mendeleth: thats what we call blasphemy |
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| 05:09.38 | Mendeleth | tnvz yaeh i know but it's geforce FX... |
| 05:09.46 | nvz | Mendeleth: I've used the nvidia all-in-one binary driver, and I am a sinner for this. |
| 05:09.48 | exobyte | I'm doing some cross compiling, but for some reason, -mips1 doesn't get file to say it's MIPS-I; it's still MIPS-II. it does say version 1 |
| 05:10.04 | nvz | Mendeleth: there is a "debian way (tm)" to do the nvidia driver |
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| 05:10.26 | Mendeleth | nvz which is? |
| 05:10.35 | bob2 | too late |
| 05:10.44 | nullvoid | hi all |
| 05:10.53 | CondoR | hi man |
| 05:11.11 | c4_ | bob2: please tell me where can i publish a little howto? |
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| 05:11.17 | c4_ | i have no idea |
| 05:11.30 | nullvoid | c4_: howto what? |
| 05:11.40 | flurdoing | hello.. what's the device file for sb gameport? |
| 05:11.43 | bob2 | c4_: qref.sf.net |
| 05:11.51 | bob2 | c4_: emable Osamu, he will shower love upon you |
| 05:11.54 | c4_ | nullvoid: make ati igps direct rendering work |
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| 05:11.55 | flurdoing | can i tail -f a device file to read what a joystick is sending? |
| 05:11.58 | c4_ | cool! |
| 05:11.58 | theshane | How would I download a driver with my half working linux? |
| 05:11.58 | bob2 | "emable" = "email" |
| 05:12.04 | Mendeleth | nvz there's th open source driver called 'nv' but it doesn't seem to work on his computer... |
| 05:12.04 | bob2 | c4_: or put it on wiki.debian.net |
| 05:12.17 | MrMeee | how do you install a debian package |
| 05:12.19 | nullvoid | c4_: flavor-free? |
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| 05:12.36 | c4_ | ok |
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| 05:12.44 | avallark | hey all! |
| 05:12.44 | theshane | I'm on my brother's computer and I could download it on here, but floppy is the only way I can transfer |
| 05:12.46 | gravity | MrMeee: dpkg -i |
| 05:12.47 | nullvoid | MrMeee: 2 way dpkg -i and apt-get install |
| 05:12.48 | c4_ | nullvoid: what? |
| 05:12.49 | avallark | one small question |
| 05:13.09 | MrMeee | ty |
| 05:13.10 | Mendeleth | theshane 'wget http://download.nvidia.com/XFree86/Linux-x86/1.0-7167/NVIDIA-Linux-x86-1.0-7167-pkg1.run' |
| 05:13.14 | avallark | why is debian still not using the xserver-xorg ? |
| 05:13.21 | Mendeleth | theshane install wget before |
| 05:13.31 | theshane | How do I install that |
| 05:13.32 | vladster | how do you convert a dvd that was encoded in PAL to recode it into NTSC |
| 05:13.33 | nullvoid | c4_: your howto is't only for debian based or can be used for other linux flavour like redhat ..... |
| 05:13.36 | Mendeleth | theshane 'apt-get install wget' |
| 05:13.37 | theshane | just install wget? |
| 05:13.44 | theshane | Oh, okay |
| 05:14.17 | nullvoid | vladster: what google says |
| 05:14.43 | vladster | ]debain howto's |
| 05:15.27 | c4_ | nullvoid: they only have to change the name for the packages of other distros |
| 05:15.30 | nullvoid | vladster: I don't think debian have any howto for converting media |
| 05:15.55 | c4_ | nullvoid: i've see that wiki thing but i dont like formating rules |
| 05:15.55 | hotmeat | how do i set up wireframe windows instead of real-time window dragging? |
| 05:16.03 | nullvoid | c4_: interesting, in that case do as what bob2 advice which is in sf.net |
| 05:16.10 | c4_ | lets see that qref |
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| 05:16.35 | bob2 | I'm not sure a howto for one particular special chipset is a good match for qref, tho |
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| 05:17.29 | nullvoid | vladster: does this help - http://www.linuxforums.org/forum/topic-8757.html |
| 05:17.37 | c4_ | mmhh... bob2 thats true, but i think that is the only one not well supported of the ati ones |
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| 05:18.38 | nullvoid | c4_: consider to upscale it ;) create a generic script |
| 05:18.40 | brake | hello |
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| 05:18.54 | c4_ | <PROTECTED> |
| 05:19.06 | Vassili | ackron like rapsody man |
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| 05:19.19 | JohnFlux | Hey all |
| 05:19.20 | c4_ | doh! all that?... |
| 05:19.40 | mwilson | avallark: Is there some reason that Debian should be? |
| 05:19.46 | JohnFlux | when i do apt-cache policy libtool i see there is a 1.6 version in experimental. How do I install this one? |
| 05:19.53 | c4_ | ok, i have to learn a lot more... |
| 05:19.56 | mwilson | JohnFlux: You don't. |
| 05:20.00 | bob2 | JohnFlux: apt-get -t experimental install libtool |
| 05:20.00 | JohnFlux | bugger |
| 05:20.04 | c4_ | thanks bob2 nullvoid |
| 05:20.06 | JohnFlux | thanks |
| 05:20.13 | bob2 | but you be REALLY careful, since it probably produces incompatible stuff |
| 05:20.15 | JohnFlux | i can't seem to compile gnome without it |
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| 05:21.25 | nullvoid | JohnFlux: gnome-2.10 ? |
| 05:21.33 | JohnFlux | whatever cvs head is |
| 05:21.38 | theshane | Mendeleth: alright, I downloaded the driver. How do I use it? |
| 05:21.43 | Mendeleth | theshane then do 'sh NVIDIA-Linux-x86-1.0-7167-pkg1.run' in the directory where you downloaded it |
| 05:21.46 | JohnFlux | gnome-cvs is saying: libtool: link: CURRENT `1000' is not a nonnegative integer |
| 05:21.54 | MrMeee | What file holds the ip address? |
| 05:22.08 | Mendeleth | theshane follow instructions |
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| 05:22.09 | nullvoid | MrMeee: ifconfig |
| 05:22.18 | theshane | Mendeleth: I don't know which directory I downloaded it in |
| 05:22.19 | nullvoid | MrMeee: it's not a file |
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| 05:22.27 | uman | people of debian: you are invited to join #distro-debate, a channel for friendly argument about which distro is best! |
| 05:22.34 | nullvoid | MrMeee: it's not a file /etc/network/interfaces (if you use fixed ip) |
| 05:22.42 | shaggs | AHHHHHHHHHH.... mozilla thunderbird is not as perfect as i thought.............. i just had to complain here, sorry |
| 05:22.46 | MrMeee | ty |
| 05:22.58 | Mendeleth | theshane i think it's where you are at the moment |
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| 05:23.08 | theshane | Okay |
| 05:23.44 | nullvoid | theshane: find / -name <filetofind> -print |
| 05:23.56 | MrMeee | how can you determine what interface your ethernet adapter is on |
| 05:24.10 | bob2 | MrMeee: ethX are ethernet interfaces |
| 05:24.12 | brake | ifconfig |
| 05:24.13 | Mendeleth | theshane then redo dpkg-... and choose 'nvidia' not 'nv' |
| 05:24.31 | MrMeee | I only see the loop back |
| 05:24.34 | sineer | what do I do when dpkg give me a configure error for bootspash-theme-athlonxp package trying to remove it? |
| 05:24.43 | bob2 | MrMeee: then your ethernet interface isn't up |
| 05:24.46 | bob2 | sineer: file a bug |
| 05:24.48 | brake | ifchonfig eth0 ip |
| 05:24.50 | sineer | apt-get -f install doesn't fix the problem |
| 05:25.27 | bob2 | sineer: indeed, it won't |
| 05:25.29 | MrMeee | says error fetching interface info |
| 05:25.37 | MrMeee | device not found |
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| 05:25.45 | BBearr | How do I start an OpenSSH terminal? |
| 05:25.46 | sineer | so what is it I do when I want to force ohh.. I remember.. --force-depends ? |
| 05:25.56 | bob2 | BBearr: you mean "How do I ssh into another machine?"? |
| 05:25.59 | sineer | something likethat.. --force-conflicts.. nah ahh I'll man dpjg I guess |
| 05:26.01 | bob2 | sineer: no, that won't help |
| 05:26.17 | BBearr | Yes, that's what I mean. |
| 05:26.49 | bob2 | BBearr: in an xterm or whatever, "ssh user@host" |
| 05:26.55 | brake | how to add a dict to stardict?? |
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| 05:27.29 | shaggs | i know this is probably the wrong forum, but does anyone know how to get the thunderbird mail filters to mark an email as "not junk" |
| 05:27.57 | Mendeleth | BBearr maybe you should learn how to use your workstation before doing something on other computers |
| 05:27.59 | shaggs | lol, this isnt even a forum |
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| 05:28.10 | vladster | is there a way to save a page and all of its links? |
| 05:28.16 | brake | how to add a dict to stardict?? |
| 05:28.20 | sineer | hrmm --force-all won't work.. I'm getting a status 10 bootsplash-theme-athlonxp pre-removal script error :( |
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| 05:28.34 | BBearr | I've been using terminals since 1973, thanks. |
| 05:28.35 | nullvoid | brake: openoffice ? |
| 05:28.39 | Penix | shaggs: try #mozilla |
| 05:28.45 | sineer | su - |
| 05:28.46 | sineer | \][rm-w} |
| 05:28.50 | sineer | grrr |
| 05:28.54 | brake | nullvoid starditc |
| 05:28.54 | sineer | sorry |
| 05:28.56 | Penix | hah |
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| 05:29.13 | Xsquared | hi |
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| 05:29.25 | Xsquared | how do you send a message to another user over tty? |
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| 05:29.32 | Xsquared | really quickly |
| 05:29.38 | mwilson | Xsquared: You don't. |
| 05:29.43 | Xenguy | Xsquared: write ? |
| 05:29.44 | Xsquared | u can |
| 05:29.47 | nullvoid | BBearr: ssh john@192.168.0.1 <---- john is the account exist on remote machine and 192.168.0.1 is the remote machine ip |
| 05:29.48 | Xsquared | yeah |
| 05:29.56 | bob2 | sineer: none of the --force flags will work |
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| 05:29.59 | bob2 | you need to file a bug |
| 05:30.01 | brake | echo "what you want to say" >/dev/ttyx |
| 05:30.04 | Mendeleth | BBearr and you don't know 'man', 'apropos'... commands |
| 05:30.04 | bob2 | then fix the prerm script |
| 05:30.24 | nullvoid | brake: sorry no clue |
| 05:30.25 | sineer | bob2 Uh.. |
| 05:30.41 | theshane | Mendeleth: the NVIDIA installer shows up and says 'ERROR: Unable to find the system utility `ld`; please make sure you have the package 'bnutils' installed. If you do not have binutils installed, then please check that `ld` is in your PATH |
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| 05:31.23 | sineer | bob2 apt is stuck I can't install packages anymore cause of this error... I remember there was a way around that I'm sure.. been a while since I used apt |
| 05:32.03 | Xenguy | BBearr: hrm, I seem to have different advice than others, but perhaps this is worth a try if else does not work -> ssh -l username IPaddress |
| 05:32.08 | bob2 | sineer: it's not an apt problem |
| 05:32.21 | Linuxs | Anyone know how to install a canon s520 printer in debian? |
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| 05:32.29 | sineer | right its dpkg's problem that ultimatly affect apt :) |
| 05:32.38 | Xenguy | Linuxs: linuxprinting.org |
| 05:32.38 | Mendeleth | theshane try 'apt-cache search bnutils' |
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| 05:32.40 | bob2 | sineer: packages can have scripts that dpkg has to run before removing the package. the script that package includes is fucked. |
| 05:32.42 | nullvoid | sineer: apt is awsome, you suck |
| 05:32.47 | bob2 | no, the package is fucked in the head |
| 05:32.53 | bob2 | not very surprising for such a stupid one |
| 05:32.57 | bob2 | nullvoid: please? |
| 05:33.10 | Biovore | hehe |
| 05:33.21 | bob2 | sineer: if change the second line of /var/lib/dpkg/info/PACKAGE.prerm to "exit 0", it should remove |
| 05:33.22 | sineer | nullvoid, lol, I never said apt wasn't awesome |
| 05:33.22 | Biovore | wrong window |
| 05:33.24 | bob2 | but file a bug first |
| 05:33.32 | nullvoid | heh |
| 05:33.44 | sineer | bob2 allright will do |
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| 05:34.17 | hotmeat | is there a way to unpartition a harddrive? |
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| 05:34.30 | tvn | hm, where's the dpkg bot ? |
| 05:34.35 | Penix | hotmeat: put it in a microwave |
| 05:34.37 | sineer | hotmeat, more than one |
| 05:34.38 | nullvoid | hotmeat: qtparted |
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| 05:35.15 | theshane | Mendeleth: What am I looking for when I type apt-cache. . . in? |
| 05:35.20 | briareus | hotmeat> hehe: dd if=/dev/zero of=/dev/hd* |
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| 05:35.39 | amahbod | i have a sed question, if anyone is interested in tackling it |
| 05:35.40 | nullvoid | theshane: ? |
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| 05:35.58 | exobyte | how can I figure out if a machine I'm on is mips-i or mips-ii |
| 05:36.06 | nullvoid | smahbod: #sed |
| 05:36.08 | amahbod | i was trying to replace spaces with new lines but this command doesnt work: sed 's/ /\n/g' file1 |
| 05:36.09 | nvz | oh wow, its penix :P ... you still got that gamp hosted on your website? heh |
| 05:36.16 | amahbod | nullvoid, noone is answering :( |
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| 05:36.46 | bob2 | amahbod: use tr |
| 05:36.59 | bob2 | amahbod: tr '\n' ' ' |
| 05:37.00 | Borg^Queen | Just curious, what was the question? |
| 05:37.06 | amahbod | bob2, you 'da man |
| 05:37.16 | c4_ | can i say something like "suck my stick" and "fuck some atis guy mother" in wiki or someone will cry? |
| 05:37.28 | Xenguy | amahbod: sed 's/ /\r/g' might work (don't know for sure) |
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| 05:37.40 | Borg^Queen | c4_: there are ladies present |
| 05:37.48 | c4_ | doh! |
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| 05:37.53 | bob2 | c4_: that just seems stupid, regardless of the auidence |
| 05:38.02 | briareus | exactly |
| 05:38.07 | briareus | but nonetheless l33t |
| 05:38.07 | Borg^Queen | Thank you bob2 |
| 05:38.07 | bob2 | unless you're trying to impress people with the fact you're 14 years old |
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| 05:38.26 | useruser | cdrecord doesn't work as a non-root user with kernel 2.6.10, failing with cdrecord: Cannot allocate memory. Cannot get SCSI I/O buffer. Is this a known bug? |
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| 05:38.30 | c4_ | Borg^Queen: how do i say that in a non obtuse way? |
| 05:38.33 | hotmeat | nullvoid: qtparted? |
| 05:38.43 | Borg^Queen | c4_: You don't |
| 05:38.45 | Mendeleth | theshane oh i forgot to tell you: you need the kernel-headers |
| 05:38.47 | gravity | hehe... but it's so cool to be 14 and sexually and socially frustrated! |
| 05:38.48 | briareus | hotmeat> parted iwth a qt frontend |
| 05:38.51 | briareus | qtparted |
| 05:38.56 | nullvoid | amahbod: sed 's/ /\n/g' file1 > file2 |
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| 05:39.03 | nvz | ladies? I never known there to be ladies in #debian.. maybe girls, or women.. |
| 05:39.06 | Mendeleth | theshane do 'uname -r' |
| 05:39.09 | nullvoid | amahbod: you will have the mod in file2 |
| 05:39.32 | hotmeat | briareus: apt-cache search qtparted doesnt show any dep packages that match |
| 05:39.45 | Mendeleth | theshane it will show you the version of the kernel you are using |
| 05:39.48 | c4_ | Borg^Queen: don't you have a way to say it... poetic |
| 05:39.52 | nullvoid | nvz: are there any female here :) |
| 05:39.55 | topa_ | while running debootsrap, one of the packages seems to be corrupt.. how do i go about rectifying this ? |
| 05:39.59 | briareus | hotmeat try something like apt-cache search parted |
| 05:40.02 | Borg^Queen | nvz: >: |
| 05:40.03 | topa_ | W: http://http.us.debian.org/debian/pool/main/s/sysvinit/sysvinit_2.86.ds1-1_i386.deb was corrupt |
| 05:40.19 | theshane | 2.2.20-idepci |
| 05:40.22 | nvz | a lady, is a woman or girl, who is either married, the head of a house, well behaved and proper |
| 05:40.29 | bob2 | topa_: try downloading again |
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| 05:40.39 | Borg^Queen | Aye, I am, |
| 05:40.42 | topa_ | bob2 |
| 05:40.45 | nullvoid | hotmeat: I got this : qtparted - A parted frontend using QT |
| 05:40.45 | Mendeleth | theshane then 'apt-get install kernel-headers-'yourversion' ' |
| 05:40.51 | topa_ | bob2 tried a couple of times |
| 05:40.52 | BBearr | nullvoid: username@machinename.domainname worked. I have my SSH terminal open now, thanks. |
| 05:40.56 | *** part/#debian jason0 (~imanonymo@pcp08937945pcs.trentn01.nj.comcast.net) |
| 05:40.59 | topa_ | even tried a couple of different mirrors |
| 05:40.59 | avallark | hey bob2! |
| 05:41.00 | nvz | somehow the girls/women I met here seemed to be a bit mischevious |
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| 05:41.10 | topa_ | seems to be the same problem |
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| 05:41.16 | Borg^Queen | nvz: Oh aye, we can be. |
| 05:41.16 | Rustynails | anyone here know php? |
| 05:41.25 | avallark | bob2: why is debian still on xserver-xfree86, when xserver-xorg is awesome! |
| 05:41.28 | bob2 | topa_: maybe try a different mirror? |
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| 05:41.35 | bob2 | avallark: /msg dpkg x.org |
| 05:41.38 | topa_ | bob2 tried, no luck |
| 05:41.40 | bob2 | Rustynails: #php |
| 05:41.41 | nullvoid | BBearr: np. btw you can have ether dns or IP, I recommend to use IP instead of dns ;) |
| 05:41.42 | mwilson | avallark: Because it's not, particularly. |
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| 05:42.03 | Mendeleth | theshane then ' cd /usr/src/ ; ln -s /usr/src/kernel-headers-2.4.18-bf2.4 linux |
| 05:42.07 | Xsquared | where's dpkg? |
| 05:42.22 | nullvoid | avallark: like Ian saying - it will be there when its ready |
| 05:42.25 | nvz | damn it! killed my links2 without thinking |
| 05:42.25 | topa_ | is it possible to download it and put it "in-some-place" so that debootstrap can automatically take it ? |
| 05:42.28 | bob2 | dondelelcaro: dpkg ran off again |
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| 05:42.31 | avallark | dpkg x.org |
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| 05:42.43 | bob2 | topa_: not unless you make a full local mirror of the base packages |
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| 05:43.02 | avallark | avallark: when its ready .. and when wud that be? 5 years from now? |
| 05:43.13 | bob2 | avallark: please dont troll |
| 05:43.20 | bob2 | there are reasons for x.org not being in Debian |
| 05:43.31 | avallark | bob2: thats what i wanna know |
| 05:43.35 | topa_ | bob2 hmmm , guess I'll just try downloading the basedebs.tar |
| 05:43.35 | bob2 | they're not particularily awesome ones, but it's not "OMG LOLZ DEBIAN IS SO OUT OF DATE" |
| 05:43.36 | mwilson | avallark: Or 10 years, or two weeks, or never. No one's going to die if X.org isn't in Debian. |
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| 05:44.03 | cafuego | BRAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAANES |
| 05:44.05 | avallark | mwilson: but people sure start using ubuntu etc.. |
| 05:44.08 | bob2 | avallark: please read the topic |
| 05:44.15 | mwilson | avallark: That's their problem. |
| 05:44.17 | bob2 | avallark: people who use ubuntu for x.org are stupid |
| 05:44.27 | cafuego | bob2: I resent that |
| 05:44.27 | nvz | cafuego: was that suppose to be "brains"? |
| 05:44.35 | Mendeleth | theshane sorry, cd /usr/src/ ; ln -sf kernel-headers-2.2.20-idepci linux |
| 05:44.39 | cafuego | nvz: No, 't was not. |
| 05:44.40 | nullvoid | avallark: we just have our new release manager for sarge in, hope the best ;) |
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| 05:44.47 | bob2 | cafuego: you use ubuntu so you can phsycially file bug reports on daniels |
| 05:44.57 | Xsquared | how to i make the tty font smaller? |
| 05:44.57 | avallark | nullvoid: :) |
| 05:45.10 | cafuego | bob2: Uh-huh, bug reports stapled to the end of a CRICKET BAT! |
| 05:45.11 | Vassili | lol |
| 05:45.13 | Vassili | men |
| 05:45.19 | bob2 | haha |
| 05:45.43 | jpeg | ok, debian newbie question: how can I get apt-get to shut up about particular dependencies? |
| 05:45.51 | cafuego | since /var was full when i filed it... |
| 05:45.54 | bob2 | jpeg: you can't |
| 05:45.57 | nullvoid | jpeg: force? |
| 05:46.08 | cafuego | jpeg: By installing the deps. |
| 05:46.12 | Xsquared | fix all the dependancies |
| 05:46.13 | BBearr | nullvoid: Yes, thanks, I use networking and I use terminal windows and I use computers. I just don't "speak" linux yet. |
| 05:46.19 | Xsquared | problems |
| 05:46.23 | Borg^Queen | c4 is 14 YOs isn't he |
| 05:46.45 | cafuego | Borg^Queen: Is that supposed to be a debian related question? |
| 05:46.45 | nvz | Borg^Queen: I don't know, but don't get him started |
| 05:46.48 | Mendeleth | jpeg apt-get -f install |
| 05:47.05 | jpeg | ah, thanks |
| 05:47.13 | tvn | and you won't be able to run it |
| 05:47.23 | Borg^Queen | cafuego: Aye, it is when a 14 yo laddie bothers me in the Debian channel. |
| 05:47.27 | doublehp | "mount: could not find any free loop device" .... how to free some ? |
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| 05:47.36 | cafuego | Borg^Queen: Surely you know how /ignore works. |
| 05:47.42 | nvz | Borg^Queen: /umode +WNBT Borg^Queen |
| 05:47.50 | cafuego | doublehp: How many loops do you have mounted? |
| 05:48.05 | Borg^Queen | cafuego: Aye, ignore, I'll try it out on you |
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| 05:48.14 | cafuego | Borg^Queen: Please |
| 05:48.19 | bob2 | doublehp: the "loop" module takes a parameter to set how many loop devices are allowed |
| 05:48.23 | Xsquared | rofl |
| 05:48.32 | doublehp | cafuego: 0 mounted, but lsof reports about 8 ones used ... |
| 05:48.45 | cafuego | bob2: No, "the loop module IN THEORY takes a parameter to set how many loop devices are allowed" |
| 05:48.48 | MobyTurbo | you can tell it just turned Sunday. |
| 05:48.53 | Borg^Queen | LOL |
| 05:49.01 | doublehp | bob2: need to reboot ? then , how to pass that arg ? to the Linux prompt ? |
| 05:49.03 | MobyTurbo | !lol |
| 05:49.10 | nvz | Jesus freaks, out in the streets? handing tickets out for god? |
| 05:49.16 | nvz | MobyTurbo: dpkg is AWOL |
| 05:49.16 | theshane | Mendeleth: I typed that in and it did nothing, it just went to a new line, no errors |
| 05:49.27 | MobyTurbo | nvz: a pity |
| 05:49.31 | cafuego | bob2: The bastard claims max_loop should work, but I've never gotten it to do antyhing. had to fix the #define in loop.c |
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| 05:49.56 | nvz | somebody said LOL is like looser on-line, or doesnt even sound like laughing. try hehe, heh, or haha instead. |
| 05:50.12 | cafuego | doublehp: You can set a max_loop option for loop. That will in theory expand the max number of loop devices. |
| 05:50.23 | Borg^Queen | My goodness this is a rude crowd |
| 05:50.24 | doublehp | any way .... any idear about how to extract files from a romfs file ? ( an initrd in fact ) |
| 05:50.27 | MobyTurbo | nvz: thanks. ;-) |
| 05:50.37 | Borg^Queen | Pitty, |
| 05:50.45 | Mendeleth | theshane when you type 'ln -sf... that's normal it just create a 'hard'link called "linux" |
| 05:50.49 | Borg^Queen | Good day or night all as such |
| 05:50.59 | bob2 | cafuego: oh, suck |
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| 05:51.09 | bob2 | doublehp: losetup -d, iirc |
| 05:51.10 | gravity | Borg^Queen: Good night |
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| 05:51.11 | theshane | Mendeleth: So what do I do now? |
| 05:51.19 | nvz | don't take it personal. I am emulating bot behavior |
| 05:51.22 | nvz | ~person |
| 05:51.23 | apt | somebody said person was like a bot, but squishier, or a meat popscicle |
| 05:51.27 | cafuego | bob2: it's well within the realms of possiblity that I'm just woefully inept ;-) |
| 05:51.28 | Mendeleth | re-run the nvidia installer |
| 05:51.44 | helix | the idea of a meat popsicle is fairly nauseating |
| 05:51.44 | MobyTurbo | ~lol |
| 05:51.45 | apt | well, lol is stands for Laughing Out Loud. It is grammatically incorrect to use LOL in the first person; use 'heh' or 'haha' instead. If you want to use LOL, do '/me lol' instead. |
| 05:52.02 | theshane | Mendeleth: it gives me the same error |
| 05:52.09 | helix | why butter? :/ |
| 05:52.10 | gravity | helixxxxxxx |
| 05:52.15 | helix | olive oil, plzkthx |
| 05:52.17 | cafuego | helix: better flavour |
| 05:52.22 | helix | hello gravityboy! |
| 05:52.26 | gravity | Word down |
| 05:52.29 | cafuego | helix: and it makes BCBs |
| 05:52.36 | helix | cafuego: butter doesn't taste better than olive oil, dude |
| 05:52.39 | nvz | oh thats right, helix isn't the carnivorous type |
| 05:52.46 | helix | I'm a man eater |
| 05:52.49 | nvz | haha |
| 05:52.50 | gravity | lol |
| 05:52.56 | cafuego | helix: Butter imparts a better caramelised flavour to what you fry in it, dude |
| 05:53.04 | nvz | hopefully I am not your type |
| 05:53.09 | helix | I don't even know what butter tastes like |
| 05:53.12 | gravity | Liar |
| 05:53.15 | MobyTurbo | gravity: don't make me bot-slap you. |
| 05:53.17 | llama32 | whats some good linuxy games that are suitable for d/l on dialup? |
| 05:53.24 | nullvoid | anyone run across a small debian (besides than damnsmalllinux) ? |
| 05:53.26 | cafuego | helix: Seeing as YOU're being fried I don't think that's relevant |
| 05:53.27 | bob2 | !scratch helix |
| 05:53.32 | bob2 | nullvoid: Debian. |
| 05:53.38 | doublehp | bob2: for i in `seq 7` ; do losetup -d /dev/loop$i ; done ; # thanx :) |
| 05:53.44 | nullvoid | bob2: how small ? |
| 05:53.45 | cafuego | nullvoid: yeah, debian on an iPaq |
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| 05:54.00 | topa_ | bob2 I tried with the --exclude=sysvinit but still it tries to get that package.. |
| 05:54.04 | helix | where is dpkg, damnit |
| 05:54.11 | cafuego | helix: Texas |
| 05:54.11 | bob2 | nullvoid: 80MB or so |
| 05:54.15 | Mr_You | anyone know of a componentized linux IRC channel? |
| 05:54.18 | bob2 | ~scratch helix |
| 05:54.20 | apt | ACTION shreds helix's backside |
| 05:54.22 | helix | gravity: we always used margarine when I was growing up and I'm vegan now, so.. |
| 05:54.24 | helix | ~spank bob2 |
| 05:54.26 | apt | ACTION bends bob2 over his knee and tatoos 'ibot' on bob2's pasty white buttocks. |
| 05:54.26 | bob2 | Mr_You: #progeny presumably would |
| 05:54.29 | nullvoid | cafugo: looking for a strip version of debian to run shorewall + snort |
| 05:54.31 | MobyTurbo | helix: apt is here, (~foo) |
| 05:54.32 | bob2 | woo! |
| 05:54.33 | helix | oh |
| 05:54.38 | Mr_You | bob2: nope. |
| 05:54.40 | cafuego | helix: There you touch on reason #2 for using butter. Irony. |
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| 05:54.57 | gravity | helix: Butter is very very good |
| 05:55.17 | cafuego | nullvoid: Limited disk size to install on? |
| 05:55.34 | nullvoid | cafugo" flash card 64MB |
| 05:55.34 | useruser | cdrecord doesn't work as a non-root user with kernel 2.6.10, failing with cdrecord: Cannot allocate memory. Cannot get SCSI I/O buffer. oddly I don't get this error running under strace. Is this a known bug? |
| 05:55.51 | helix | is butter really that much better? |
| 05:55.53 | MobyTurbo | nullvoid: if you skip using dselect, Debian can be pretty darned minimalistic. |
| 05:56.14 | nullvoid | MobyTurbo: I agree |
| 05:56.16 | MobyTurbo | better butter makes the batter better |
| 05:56.23 | bob2 | nullvoid: so strip it down |
| 05:56.24 | cafuego | nullvoid: You might be able to mount the flash card, then debootstrap set of udebs onto that... |
| 05:56.26 | bob2 | nullvoid: delete the docs |
| 05:56.38 | bob2 | useruser: no need to repeat |
| 05:56.47 | cafuego | That's right, i was at some stage going to write NULLfs for /usr/share/doc/ |
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| 05:57.00 | nvz | I am not a connoisseur, but I cant tell the difference between margarine and butter |
| 05:57.38 | cafuego | nvz: butter contains fat, ergo has flavour. margarine does not. |
| 05:57.40 | Mendeleth | theshane i think you need binary tools too 'apt-get install binutils' |
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| 05:57.56 | dhuv | hello all |
| 05:57.58 | nvz | cafuego: well I dont suck on fat. |
| 05:57.58 | nullvoid | nvz: for you http://www.ochef.com/864.htm |
| 05:58.03 | llama32 | wtf??? i have 220ish mb of ram and 250mb of swap, and im running gnome, firefox and some other stuff, all of a sudden 17% of my ram is in use and like half of my swap space, usually it doesnt use any swap space and most of the ram... what could cause this? its really slow now cus everythings running off swap |
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| 05:58.10 | cafuego | nvz: You're missing out, then. |
| 05:58.10 | nvz | oh joy |
| 05:58.13 | nullvoid | bob2: what you mean by strip down? |
| 05:58.13 | nvz | a present |
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| 05:58.26 | dhuv | i currently have 2.6.8 kernel installed and have the acpi utilities and daemon running |
| 05:58.44 | bob2 | nullvoid: delete stuff |
| 05:58.45 | dhuv | can anyone tell me where i can find the kde applet to work with this? |
| 05:58.50 | bob2 | that's all "damnsmalllinux" does |
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| 05:59.04 | dogmeat | the rescue command of parted requests a start and end number, where can i find this geometry info for the disk? |
| 05:59.05 | nullvoid | bob2: how to tell which one to delete |
| 05:59.30 | cafuego | nullvoid: check 'localepurge' and rm -rf /usr/share/doc - that'll give you some space. |
| 05:59.30 | benjamindees | does win4lin work okay on woody? |
| 05:59.55 | john | what's the command to edit the xfree86 server? |
| 06:00.01 | cafuego | @xcfg |
| 06:00.01 | ravenbird | hmm... xcfg is dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xfree86 |
| 06:00.10 | john | ty |
| 06:00.17 | nvz | cafuego: for you, http://www.ochef.com/864.htm .. heh you need this more than I do.. cause it seems to prove your statement wrong about the fat content |
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| 06:00.24 | useruser | bob2: actually i added some more information |
| 06:00.28 | MobyTurbo | nullvoid: if you rm -rf /usr/share/doc don't bother asking questions here. ;-) |
| 06:00.32 | *** part/#debian topa_ (~topa@61.247.246.89) |
| 06:00.37 | cafuego | nvz: petrochemical shit != fat in my dictionary. |
| 06:00.43 | elsanto | anybody know situation of VA Linux |
| 06:00.52 | nullvoid | MobyTurbo: heh |
| 06:00.53 | bob2 | sonice: ? |
| 06:00.58 | nvz | gawd, I trim the fat off pork chops when I eat them.. and they usually dont even have much on them to begin with |
| 06:01.07 | cafuego | nvz: I'm afraid that page makes firefox crash. |
| 06:01.18 | nullvoid | cafuego: I think I might venture to lfs.org afterall |
| 06:01.23 | biglaughing | any one installed debian on HP-nx9040 ??some thing happen to my audio. I can hear nothing... |
| 06:01.31 | cafuego | nvz: I don't eat emat, so that's no issue for me. |
| 06:01.50 | MobyTurbo | nvz: and I don't eat pork |
| 06:01.51 | nvz | cafuego: pity, I dont even bother with firefox anymore, as I am currently due to shitty monitor, limited to 640x480 and try conserving my valuable screen real-estate to using less chrome.. |
| 06:02.00 | nvz | I've been using links2 |
| 06:02.35 | benjamindees | dillo is nice :) |
| 06:02.54 | cafuego | nvz: What can I say, as I eye this 21" trinitron beast running off a 256MB vid card with Xorg and transparency enabled... |
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| 06:03.07 | nvz | hey, if I had a in house chef, that would cook me up new good stuff everyday that didnt have meat in it, I wouldnt eat meat either.. |
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| 06:03.31 | cafuego | nvz: Finding stuff to cook is only a trip to the market away. |
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| 06:03.51 | theshane | How do I install my dists libc development package? |
| 06:04.07 | nullvoid | apt-get install ? |
| 06:04.07 | cafuego | Well, having a copy of Stephanie is also an excellent idea. |
| 06:04.08 | nvz | yeah if you know how to cook.. I cant even cook eggs.. I scramble them up in a bowl first, cause I know there is no way in hell I can cook one without breaking it |
| 06:04.29 | MobyTurbo | it's quite possible to eat vegetarian without much trouble as long as you are careful to ballence your protien |
| 06:04.30 | cafuego | nvz: You're not going to learn without trying. |
| 06:05.02 | *** mode/#Debian [+o bob2] by ChanServ |
| 06:05.05 | cafuego | That said, I didn't end up having poached egg for breakfast... |
| 06:05.07 | nvz | cafuego: yeah well when I have a place of my own, and someone other than just myself who eats normal food, then maybe I will take up cooking. |
| 06:05.09 | *** mode/#Debian [+b RustyNails!*@*] by bob2 |
| 06:05.10 | *** mode/#Debian [-o bob2] by bob2 |
| 06:05.16 | topa_ | bob2 the problem with debootstrap now continues for tar,tasktel and everything in the t* category |
| 06:05.19 | *** mode/#Debian [+o bob2] by ChanServ |
| 06:05.24 | *** mode/#Debian [+b Rustynails!*@*] by bob2 |
| 06:05.31 | *** mode/#Debian [-b RustyNails!*@*] by bob2 |
| 06:05.32 | theshane | I tried apt-get install libc but it didn't work |
| 06:05.33 | *** mode/#Debian [-o bob2] by bob2 |
| 06:05.40 | bob2 | theshane: install build-essential |
| 06:05.47 | topa_ | bob2 think there's something wrong with the repositories |
| 06:05.48 | bob2 | fucktard spammer |
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| 06:06.04 | bob2 | topa_: I really doubt ftp.d.o is corrupt |
| 06:06.11 | nvz | bob2: don't be so hard on yourself, it was only a small typo :P |
| 06:06.19 | cafuego | <heh> |
| 06:06.22 | nvz | hehe |
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| 06:06.41 | Mendeleth | theshane why did you try this? try 'apt-get install binutils' it should work after |
| 06:06.48 | nullvoid | apt-get install libc6 |
| 06:06.51 | brake | what are you using talking through msn in linux? |
| 06:07.04 | nullvoid | brake: gaim |
| 06:07.04 | Linuxs | How to obtain permissions to all folders i Debian? |
| 06:07.10 | Linuxs | in |
| 06:07.14 | cafuego | theshane: 'build-essential' like bob2 said is what you need. The specific package is libc6-dev, but that will get pulled in. |
| 06:07.20 | gravity | Linuxs: Become root, but generally a bad idea |
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| 06:07.28 | nullvoid | chown user:grop i -R |
| 06:07.45 | brake | thanks |
| 06:07.49 | gravity | Linuxs: You generally only want to do this for a *very* limited period of time |
| 06:07.50 | nvz | brake: well if you are like me and prefer IRC, there is Bitlbee, which acts as a gateway to MSN, Yahoo, ICQ, AIM..etc and lets you use your IRC client to chat on those networks.. or you could use something like gaim |
| 06:07.55 | topa_ | bob2 :: I: Retrieving tasksel |
| 06:07.57 | topa_ | E: Couldn't download tasksel |
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| 06:08.12 | Linuxs | yes |
| 06:08.13 | bob2 | topa_: indeed |
| 06:08.28 | cafuego | Linuxs: Note that running that on a high level system directory WILL BREAK your system |
| 06:08.29 | bob2 | but the likely hood of the primary Debian mirror being broken, compared to you being behind a broken proxy is pretty low |
| 06:08.32 | bob2 | I'd think |
| 06:08.37 | brake | thanks i see |
| 06:08.59 | topa_ | hmm but all the other packages seem to download fine |
| 06:09.23 | topa_ | bob2 how do I check if I'm on a "broken proxy" |
| 06:09.40 | helix | I'm poisonous |
| 06:09.46 | bob2 | all that TOFU |
| 06:09.52 | cafuego | blowfish flavour |
| 06:09.54 | asuffield | not if you boil her for long enough |
| 06:09.58 | bob2 | topa_: does trying another mirror work? |
| 06:10.02 | nvz | heh, you should use a rotisserie |
| 06:10.03 | topa_ | nope |
| 06:10.12 | helix | nvz: ouch |
| 06:10.14 | cafuego | nvz: i have one, don't tempt me ;-) |
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| 06:10.16 | asuffield | nvz: ooh, that has potential |
| 06:10.17 | gravity | helix: You use botox? |
| 06:10.31 | nullvoid | wow botox! heh |
| 06:10.37 | helix | this beautiful face isn't natural |
| 06:10.38 | topa_ | bob2 I've tried us.debian.org , debian.org both http and ftp |
| 06:10.40 | nvz | helix: it just sounds like a helix would fit easily on a rotisserie.. |
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| 06:10.59 | gravity | lol |
| 06:11.08 | asuffield | nvz: with a really big spike |
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| 06:11.22 | nvz | man, we are evil |
| 06:11.24 | Dman | anyone know why the /etc/suauth file isnt functional in debian? |
| 06:11.26 | gravity | cafuego: That's poisonous |
| 06:11.37 | cafuego | gravity: yeah, she wasn't kidding... |
| 06:11.54 | helix | haha |
| 06:12.05 | Biovore | dman:do visudo |
| 06:12.13 | Biovore | to edit sudo configuration |
| 06:12.24 | Linuxs | cafuego: I am trying to install a printer in Debian, and I need to copy some files.. |
| 06:12.28 | Dman | su and sudo are diffrent tho |
| 06:12.29 | Dman | arnt they |
| 06:12.30 | asuffield | cafuego: use a hotter oven |
| 06:12.37 | nvz | Dman: yes, they are |
| 06:12.45 | Dman | so how would that fix my prob |
| 06:12.51 | cafuego | Dman: traditionally users in the 'wheel' group are allowed to 'su'. |
| 06:12.59 | nvz | Dman: seems someone other than you is confused |
| 06:13.06 | cafuego | Dman: Normally on debian anyone with the rootpw can su, I think. |
| 06:13.18 | Dman | nvz, yeah but i cant make debian enforce that |
| 06:13.20 | Dman | which is what i wanna do |
| 06:13.20 | nvz | debian doesnt have wheels. |
| 06:13.32 | asuffield | Debian doesn't configure su for a wheel group by default, because it's silly |
| 06:13.34 | cafuego | asuffield: She's in Florida, we could roast her on a launch pad... |
| 06:13.37 | theshane | How do I set the CC environment variable to the name of the compiler used to compile the kernel? |
| 06:13.44 | asuffield | it's trivial enough to do though# |
| 06:13.49 | bob2 | theshane: you don't |
| 06:13.52 | nvz | debian is for big kids, who dont need training wheels |
| 06:13.54 | bob2 | fucking with the kernel compiler is stupid |
| 06:14.05 | bob2 | theshane: if you actually know what you're doing, edit the root Makefile |
| 06:14.06 | dogmeat | the rescue cmd in parted, it takes two numbers, these numbers represent cylinders? |
| 06:14.17 | Mr_You | wth is debian still slow with releases? |
| 06:14.24 | briareus | bob2> please watch yoru language--why say stupid when you can say idiotic? |
| 06:14.25 | theshane | Nvidias installer told me to do so |
| 06:14.25 | cafuego | theshane: export IGNORE_CC_MISMATCH=1 (I assume you're having issues with nvidia) |
| 06:14.27 | theshane | I have no idea |
| 06:14.36 | cafuego | haha |
| 06:14.46 | MobyTurbo | nvz: info su to see rms's original rant about su. |
| 06:14.51 | bob2 | Mr_You: how many RC bugs have you fixed? |
| 06:15.06 | Mendeleth | cafuego is right |
| 06:15.13 | cafuego | @cafuego |
| 06:15.13 | ravenbird | you are probably god. the devil and available now from http://www.cafuego.net/, or a crack whore. See also cafuego disclaimer , or teh r0x0rxz. Marvin the Paranoid Android, or known for redirecting careless newbies to #shell |
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| 06:15.25 | cafuego | @cafuego disclaimer |
| 06:15.26 | ravenbird | well, cafuego disclaimer is Don't believe what cafuego tells you, unless you're immortal, cafuego or both! |
| 06:15.38 | nvz | Mr_You: its just the way debian works.. making a true stable distro takes time.. maybe this will be of interest to you: http://wiki.debian.net/?ReleaseProposals |
| 06:15.40 | helix | Mr_You: there's actually a BSP this weekend! |
| 06:15.52 | helix | Mr_You: so you can help |
| 06:15.53 | helix | maybe |
| 06:15.57 | Mr_You | umm.. theres a thing called "incremental updates".. |
| 06:15.59 | helix | (I'm not hopeful :) |
| 06:16.02 | cafuego | Crunchy fried garlic roaches |
| 06:16.05 | gravity | Mr_You: Yes! Please help! We're all volunteers! Help us out! |
| 06:16.08 | benjamindees | Mr_You, try backports.org |
| 06:16.10 | nvz | BSP? Bug Squashing Party? |
| 06:16.14 | helix | Mr_You: there are incremental updates in testing and unstable... |
| 06:16.16 | bob2 | Mr_You: that's what the testing branch is for! |
| 06:16.16 | Mr_You | I haven't used debian in years partly because of the slow updates. |
| 06:16.18 | MobyTurbo | Mr_You: dist-upgrade to sarge and stop complaining |
| 06:16.26 | helix | ah well |
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| 06:16.27 | helix | WHBT |
| 06:16.28 | cafuego | Mr_You: You're free to run not-debian if you disagree with any debian policy in any way. |
| 06:16.39 | TheStar | WHat is the minimum requirements for X11 display forwarding? |
| 06:16.40 | nullvoid | cafuego: "I quit smoking 3 weeks, 3 days, 22 hours, 17 minutes and 41 seconds ago." are you still are? |
| 06:16.51 | Mr_You | everyone got excited heh |
| 06:16.54 | bob2 | TheStar: xauth on the remote end |
| 06:16.56 | MobyTurbo | Mr_You: if you don't use Debian than wtf are you here? please go away. |
| 06:17.00 | cafuego | TheStar: via ssh? xlibs and xbase-clients, I think. |
| 06:17.04 | Mr_You | mobyturbo: chill out. |
| 06:17.06 | helix | MobyTurbo: you're being trolled, mmkay |
| 06:17.12 | Mr_You | mobyturbo: I use tons of *nix. |
| 06:17.20 | MobyTurbo | IHBT |
| 06:17.27 | cafuego | YHBT |
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| 06:17.29 | bob2 | come on |
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| 06:17.32 | holycow | i love how people complain about something that they aren't paying for |
| 06:17.39 | holycow | as if they have a right to demand anything |
| 06:17.41 | holycow | funny |
| 06:17.41 | TheStar | Ahh, thanks cafuego :) |
| 06:17.42 | Mendeleth | Mr_You if you want updates go for a debian sid, updates everyday!!! |
| 06:17.47 | nullvoid | Mr_You: I think you are expert enough to build your own distro then ! |
| 06:17.50 | tnks | hello. I noticed that there's some stuff in my /usr/local path that I don't remember installing. |
| 06:17.57 | TheStar | cafuego, I wonder why "xvncviewer" doesn't require some sort of X server, though. |
| 06:17.59 | cafuego | TheStar: See also 'x-window-system-core' |
| 06:18.01 | Mr_You | I happen to like the Debian-based distros the best and wouldn't mind using componentized Linux.. but I think I'm getting to the point of not relying except on a very bare minimum base. |
| 06:18.06 | Mr_You | nullvoid: yeah. |
| 06:18.11 | benjamindees | Mr_You, seriously, backports, forget today ever happened... |
| 06:18.14 | cafuego | TheStar: Why would it? |
| 06:18.15 | dabreegster | Is there any way to get a background image on the linux console with perhaps a framebuffer? Like an image and the console text in the foreground. |
| 06:18.21 | holycow | Mr_You, why not just run windows, you will get regular updates there, just not for versions YOU DIDN'T PAY FOR |
| 06:18.22 | bob2 | dabreegster: no |
| 06:18.22 | TheStar | cafuego, This is just for a server... Normally I'd just install x-window-system. |
| 06:18.24 | cafuego | TheStar: vncserver IS an X server |
| 06:18.29 | gravity | "bare and minimum"? WNBT |
| 06:18.29 | theshane | ERROR: Unable to build the nvidia kernel module |
| 06:18.33 | Mr_You | holybow: hardy har har |
| 06:18.35 | TheStar | cafuego, *VIEWER*. |
| 06:18.48 | nullvoid | !beat nullvoid |
| 06:18.52 | cafuego | TheStar: Oh, it's got no depends? |
| 06:18.53 | Linuxs | Is the printer driver BJC-8200-bj8pa06n.upp.ppd |
| 06:18.54 | Linuxs | is supposed to go in ../etc/cups/ppd ? |
| 06:18.54 | nvz | just because helix is being slow roasted, doesnt mean you guys can't take her advice |
| 06:19.01 | helix | yeah, wtf |
| 06:19.02 | nvz | ffs |
| 06:19.10 | dabreegster | Hmm. Well then is there a window manager/X-based system that's good for mimicking the console in mostly every way and still having the advantages of X? |
| 06:19.11 | TheStar | cafuego, Seems not. And xterm didn't install enough of X for forwarding. |
| 06:19.12 | tnks | I'm doing some "apt-file search"'s on some packages related to the files in my /usr/local, but I can't find that apt-file reports that any package installs anything in /usr/local. Is this right? Is "apt-file list" comprehensive? |
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| 06:19.30 | cafuego | helix: Stop talking, you're making the marinade fall off. |
| 06:19.38 | bob2 | tnks: packages don't put files in /usr/local/ |
| 06:19.40 | Mendeleth | theshane maybe it's because your kernel is too old...i have never used a 2.2.X kernel... |
| 06:19.40 | MobyTurbo | dabreegster: ratpoison |
| 06:19.41 | gravity | dabreegster: I suppose you could use ion and just maximize your terminal and such |
| 06:19.50 | bob2 | tnks: they sometimes make dirs (like /usr/local/lib/python/ or whatever) |
| 06:19.52 | holycow | cafuego, chicken for dinner? |
| 06:19.53 | dabreegster | ok |
| 06:19.57 | theshane | How do I update it? |
| 06:20.04 | nullvoid | ok guys gtg |
| 06:20.17 | helix | mmm, marinade |
| 06:20.27 | tnks | bob2: that's exactly what I'm finding, but why doesn't that kind of thing show up in an "apt-file list"? |
| 06:20.39 | cafuego | holycow: nachos tonight actually. i found a salsa containing lime and tequila :-) |
| 06:20.42 | bob2 | tnks: maybe it doesn't know about directories |
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| 06:20.53 | tnks | Is there /any/ way to find out what extraneous folders a package installs? |
| 06:20.56 | nvz | holycow: ever heard the expression "you can run, but you can't hide" . . . |
| 06:21.20 | dogmeat | after i run rescue from parted, show i be able to see the partition table if it was successful? |
| 06:21.22 | bob2 | tnks: dpkg -L blah |
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| 06:21.30 | dogmeat | heh |
| 06:21.51 | cafuego | @dict basting |
| 06:21.57 | ravenbird | Dictionary 'basting' (2 of 3): moistening a roast as it is cooking ;; loose temporary stitches . |
| 06:22.00 | dabreegster | How hard d'ya think it'd be to get ratpoison to mimic the VTs and editing the keymap? |
| 06:22.06 | theshane | Mendeleth: How do I get a newer kernel? |
| 06:22.29 | briareus | apt-get update |
| 06:22.39 | briareus | apt-get dist-upgrade |
| 06:22.40 | Mendeleth | theshane well that's not an easy task... |
| 06:22.40 | Linuxs | What is the easiest way to install a canon printer? |
| 06:22.43 | cafuego | TheStar: Odd, but I assume there's a reason. |
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| 06:22.51 | briareus | then: apt-get install kernel-whatever |
| 06:22.53 | nvz | theshane: what kernel are you using (uname -r) and why do you need a new one? |
| 06:22.58 | cafuego | Linuxs: Buy a Mac, plug it in. |
| 06:23.06 | Linuxs | hahaha |
| 06:23.12 | theshane | 2.2.20-idepc |
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| 06:23.20 | nvz | theshane: ah, enough said :) |
| 06:23.31 | cafuego | Linuxs: Any particular model of Canon printer? |
| 06:23.32 | TheStar | cafuego, Quite probable. Unfortunately, I still don't have x11 forwarding :( |
| 06:23.34 | Linuxs | Do you know what IBM stands for Cafuego? I Bought Mac .. |
| 06:23.35 | stew | !idepci |
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| 06:23.38 | nvz | theshane: apt-cache search kernel-image-2.4 |
| 06:23.41 | theshane | I'm having problems setting up things for GNOME |
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| 06:23.42 | tnks | bob2: hmm, dpkg -L seems to be giving me the same kind information as apt-file list. |
| 06:23.44 | nvz | stew: dpkg is not here |
| 06:23.45 | Linuxs | canon s520 |
| 06:23.49 | TheStar | cafuego, In the logs, I'm getting "No xauth data" |
| 06:23.52 | stew | @idepci |
| 06:23.52 | ravenbird | 2.2.20-idepci makes Baby Jesus cry. apt-get install kernel-image-2.2.20 |
| 06:23.54 | bob2 | tnks: maybe they make the dirs in ther postinstall script |
| 06:23.58 | nvz | theshane: the latest in woody I think is 2.4.19, but I am not sure |
| 06:23.59 | cafuego | Linuxs: is that listed as supported on linuxprinting.org? |
| 06:24.00 | stew | thats old |
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| 06:24.13 | tnks | bob2: yeah, that's probably what it is. |
| 06:24.19 | TheStar | Doh! |
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| 06:24.26 | cafuego | TheStar: Odd. Are you sure X is running? ;-) |
| 06:24.33 | TheStar | cafuego, Forgot to restart sshd after modifying configuration... ;) |
| 06:24.37 | Linuxs | nope, but there is a bjc-8200 that could work.. |
| 06:24.38 | TheStar | cafuego, I am locally. |
| 06:24.46 | cafuego | Linuxs: "could" ? |
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| 06:24.53 | Mendeleth | theshane the problem is that you need some other apckage to compile a new kernel... |
| 06:24.56 | Linuxs | it "might" work.. |
| 06:24.57 | dabreegster | How do you tell gdm about a new window manager? |
| 06:25.02 | briareus | * brake (~root@218.79.75.87) has joined #debian |
| 06:25.02 | briareus | apt ROOOOOOT has landed! |
| 06:25.05 | briareus | LOL |
| 06:25.12 | gravity | dabreegster: It should just work |
| 06:25.14 | Linuxs | but It did not, so I will try with s500 |
| 06:25.23 | TheStar | cafuego, All sweet now :) |
| 06:25.32 | dabreegster | gravity: It doesn't see ratpoison. |
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| 06:25.39 | theshane | Mendeleth: I need a what? How do I get this? |
| 06:26.03 | dabreegster | isn't it like /etc/alternatives or something? |
| 06:26.10 | nvz | theshane: you have _problems_? _setting_ up? _things_? care to elaborate? ambiguity doesnt help |
| 06:26.14 | Linuxs | its kinda funny with debian that everywhere it says "might work".. |
| 06:26.39 | briareus | Linuxs> you might be right |
| 06:26.44 | Linuxs | hahaha |
| 06:26.45 | cafuego | Linuxs: Normally you'd check whether stuff works BEFORE you buy it. |
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| 06:27.08 | Mendeleth | theshane first apt-get install kernel-image-2.4.X (the lastest) |
| 06:27.09 | Linuxs | normally you dont buy things before you have the money either |
| 06:27.14 | cafuego | Linuxs: Seems you may have luck with CUPS and gimpprint |
| 06:27.30 | Linuxs | hahaha |
| 06:27.42 | Mendeleth | theshane do you use web sources or cd sources |
| 06:27.56 | Mendeleth | ? |
| 06:28.06 | helix | urgh, printing in linux |
| 06:28.08 | helix | hate |
| 06:28.21 | gravity | helix: Yes. magicfilter used to be so good. Cups has made life hell. |
| 06:28.23 | cafuego | helix? |
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| 06:28.29 | stew | printing is soooo 20th century |
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| 06:28.40 | Linuxs | lpr and lpq.. |
| 06:28.44 | cafuego | The problem is cheap bastards who buy $30 WinPrinters |
| 06:28.46 | nvz | cafuego: I think the heat is getting to her.. she's not able to form complete sentences |
| 06:28.46 | briareus | helix> cups aint so bad, lets me drop into our windows network at work and maraude around the printernet |
| 06:28.49 | helix | I've only used cups once |
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| 06:28.55 | cafuego | Never had ANY problems with my LaserJet |
| 06:29.02 | helix | printing in general is pretty crap |
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| 06:29.08 | helix | I remember it sucking somewhat even on windows |
| 06:29.10 | gravity | Yeah, gs needs some love |
| 06:29.16 | brak | i like xchat! |
| 06:29.22 | helix | cafuego: well, once it's setup, it's not that bad... |
| 06:29.23 | asuffield | there's two problems: |
| 06:29.26 | asuffield | 1) printers are shit |
| 06:29.30 | asuffield | 2) printers are really, really shit |
| 06:29.33 | helix | heh |
| 06:29.34 | Linuxs | yes |
| 06:29.38 | Linuxs | listen |
| 06:29.42 | nvz | no |
| 06:29.43 | nvz | you |
| 06:29.44 | nvz | listen |
| 06:29.50 | nvz | stop talking like that |
| 06:29.54 | asuffield | all the software dancing around them is just so much fluff |
| 06:29.58 | speedy2782 | I am having an issue with my wlan0. here we go. I have my eth0 inactive. my wlan0 active. I can iwlist scan and get AP but here's the clincher. I can't get a connection unless my lan is plugged in. quiet interesting if you ask me. I am not sure what specs you would need to help me |
| 06:30.07 | asuffield | (although the windows print model is quite insane) |
| 06:30.13 | cafuego | helix: provided you buy a supported printer, cups isn't much of a hassle either. My new Canon isn't supported, but the odler Epson used to work fine, untuil it blew up [2) printers are really, really shit] |
| 06:30.30 | Soundzor | where's dpkg :-( |
| 06:30.36 | asuffield | and sometimes they crash for no apparent reason |
| 06:30.43 | cafuego | Soundzor: Taken by the heechee |
| 06:30.44 | asuffield | (the actual printer, that is) |
| 06:30.45 | TheStar | Is it just me, or is X11 forwarding slow? |
| 06:30.50 | TheStar | (ssh -XC) |
| 06:30.52 | cafuego | asuffield: They do? |
| 06:30.56 | helix | cafuego: all the printers I've used have been supported |
| 06:31.05 | cafuego | asuffield: Did you buy a WinCE powered printer? ;-) |
| 06:31.13 | asuffield | cafuego: yes. occasionally they start printing garbage, but more often they just stop responding until you flip the power |
| 06:31.14 | gravity | TheStar: It's not just you |
| 06:31.14 | Mendeleth | Soundzor type 'whereis dpkg' |
| 06:31.27 | Linuxs | easy to say with a laser printer.. |
| 06:31.35 | Linuxs | ink..:( |
| 06:31.48 | TheStar | gravity, That's a pity. |
| 06:31.52 | cafuego | Linuxs: The IP3000 isn't a laser printer |
| 06:31.55 | asuffield | cafuego: epson and lanier are the worst (epson usb printers in particular tend to forget how to talk usb from time to time) |
| 06:32.01 | helix | asuffield: yeah, I've experienced that too |
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| 06:32.06 | MobyTurbo | cafuego: always go to linuxprinting.org before you buy a printer. They have *excellent* information on compatability. |
| 06:32.08 | gravity | TheStar: People are working on it. It's mainly toolkit issues. |
| 06:32.11 | cafuego | asuffield: yeah, the one that blew up was a 740 USB |
| 06:32.15 | Soundzor | whereis dpkg |
| 06:32.18 | asuffield | but just about any printer will lose track of its own mind from time to time |
| 06:32.19 | gravity | TheStar: There's a couple of whitepapers on it floating around |
| 06:32.20 | theshane | nvz: I'm trying to set up GNOME but I'm getting an error that says 'no screens found' when I type in startx. So, I'm trying to use dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xfree86 to change my video settings. But apparently the driver isn't working so I downloaded a driver from Nvidia for my geforce fx 5200 but I'm getting an error that says to set the CC environment variable to the name of the compiler used to compile the kernel |
| 06:32.25 | cafuego | MobyTurbo: Eh. |
| 06:32.27 | asuffield | as best I can tell the firmware is just crap |
| 06:32.31 | TheStar | gravity, Can you elaborate? I'm doing vnc via this... |
| 06:32.54 | theshane | Mendeleth: web sources |
| 06:32.56 | cafuego | asuffield: I've not had any issues with the laserjet since plugging it in via a jetdirect box. |
| 06:33.11 | asuffield | HP printer? those tend to crash less often than most |
| 06:33.14 | gravity | TheStar: I don't fully understand it, but it's basically in the way that the toolkits send information to the server. It's not particularly efficient. People have done some work on the gtk to fix this, but there are plenty of problems still. |
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| 06:33.19 | nvz | theshane: ok, well if you are using the nvidia binary, you should get a new kernel, and the header packages for it, so the nvidia binary can build its driver |
| 06:33.19 | Linuxs | actually printers is shit. it prints shit. and we get more deep in shit. |
| 06:33.26 | theshane | Mendeleth: I downloaded floppy disk images and I installed from there and used web sources to get the rest of the things |
| 06:33.26 | gravity | TheStar: iirc, the papers were on Keith Packard's site |
| 06:33.29 | TheStar | gravity, I see. |
| 06:33.34 | TheStar | gravity, I think I understand. |
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| 06:33.35 | asuffield | (it still happens though, especially under heavy load) |
| 06:33.38 | cafuego | asuffield: The only real problem I've ever had with it was that it stopped working after our cat pissed on it. |
| 06:33.44 | nvz | theshane: apt-cache search kernel-image-2.4 |
| 06:33.45 | Linuxs | haha |
| 06:33.51 | TheStar | gravity, I guess it also depends on how xvncviewer does it's painting. |
| 06:33.55 | theshane | nvz: is this what Mendeleth is telling me to do? |
| 06:33.56 | gravity | TheStar: Yeah |
| 06:33.57 | nvz | theshane: install the latest one, and also the kernel-headers package for that version |
| 06:34.35 | nvz | theshane: I suspect he is trying to get you to compile a new kernel, which I suspect you are not prepaired to do.. you do not need to. you can install an already built kernel, and use the kernel-headers to build the nvidia module |
| 06:34.51 | xal | hmm i need help. it seems that after each restart i need to reinstall nvidia driver. GDM doesn't come up |
| 06:35.00 | cafuego | But the nice HP people up the road dried and fixed it. |
| 06:35.08 | xal | i think the problem is that a /dev/ device isn't being recreated |
| 06:35.15 | xal | any idea? |
| 06:35.32 | cafuego | xal: I tjhink the problem is the driver isn't being loaded at bootup. load it at the start of gdm.conf |
| 06:35.40 | cafuego | eh, /etc/init.d/gdm |
| 06:35.45 | xal | er yea |
| 06:35.47 | xal | thats probably it |
| 06:36.00 | speedy2782 | wireless lan is active, eth0 inactive, can search and find AP, but can't surf web without lan plugged in. Where should I start looking |
| 06:36.10 | nvz | theshane: what kind of CPU is in your system? |
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| 06:36.42 | cafuego | xal: just plonk a 'modprobe nvidia && sleep 2' at the top of the gdm init.d file. |
| 06:36.43 | markmrd | hi I have a wireless network question - anyone familiar with setting it up? |
| 06:36.51 | xal | just did. thank you |
| 06:36.58 | xal | i added it to /etc/modules |
| 06:37.09 | markmrd | I have signal strength from my router I can see it in KWifiManager but I cannot connect to the internet any ideas? |
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| 06:37.13 | xal | now, whats the best way to store alsa mixer settings |
| 06:37.23 | xal | every reboot wipes them to default as well |
| 06:37.30 | Mendeleth | nvz that's want him to do i don't think he can compile a kernel for now... |
| 06:38.22 | MobyTurbo | xal: alsactl |
| 06:38.23 | Mendeleth | nvz do you think the nvidia driver could work with a 2.2.20-idepci kernel? |
| 06:38.43 | cafuego | Mendeleth: install a newer kernel. Really. |
| 06:38.53 | cafuego | Mendeleth: apt-cache search kernel-image-2.4 - pick one. |
| 06:38.54 | nvz | Mendeleth: even if it could, why would you want it to.. that kernel has no sound drivers or anything, and you probably cant find valid headers for it |
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| 06:39.13 | Mendeleth | cafuego i run a 2.6.11 kernel ;) |
| 06:39.22 | xal | MobyTurbo alsactl store should do it? |
| 06:39.41 | theshane | nvz: AMD Athlon XP 2200 |
| 06:39.47 | cafuego | that's a bit old |
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| 06:39.51 | nvz | theshane: apt-get install kernel-image-2.4.18-1-k7 kernel-headers-2.4.18-1-k7 |
| 06:39.56 | markmrd | anyone know anything about configuring wireless networks? |
| 06:39.56 | sineer | O |
| 06:39.59 | MobyTurbo | xal: I don't remember, check out the manpage |
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| 06:40.08 | Mendeleth | thesahne well i have never used a kernel older than the 2.4.18 so... |
| 06:40.38 | lucasvv | Good morning from a cold Amstelveen, The Netherlands |
| 06:40.46 | lucasvv | A beautiful day indeed |
| 06:40.54 | cafuego | theshane: Can you run 'lspci' for me and tell me what IDe controller your mainboard has? |
| 06:40.55 | sineer | I'm trying to export my X11 display tunneling through ssh and it just won't work :( I did everything.. took off the -nolisten startx param, modified my ssh_config, yet ssh -X won't work for me :( please help someone |
| 06:41.03 | cafuego | lucasvv: Smerige leugenaar. |
| 06:41.06 | sineer | oh |
| 06:41.21 | sineer | will Xorg/Xfree 4.3 wotk together? |
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| 06:41.25 | lucasvv | cafuego: in the eye of the beholder... ;) |
| 06:41.31 | cafuego | sineer: No, it's either/or. |
| 06:41.44 | cafuego | lucasvv: Well, to a certaine xtent.. |
| 06:41.55 | sineer | cafuego, so that would be why ssh can't run X apps from my box that run XFree to my box that run Xorg?? |
| 06:41.56 | MobyTurbo | lucasvv: home of amstel beer? :-) |
| 06:42.01 | tnks | Is stow the standard tool for managing local installations? Is there another alternative (better or worse)? |
| 06:42.21 | theshane | cafuego: sure, just lspci? |
| 06:42.30 | cafuego | theshane: yep |
| 06:42.33 | speedy2782 | How do I connect to a dlink router that has a 64 bit key? |
| 06:42.34 | gravity | tnks: That's about it. You can use checkinstall too I suppose |
| 06:42.37 | nvz | theshane: if you must commit a sin and use the nvidia binary, you run it ./nVidia-blah.run --kernel-source-path=/usr/src/kernel-headers-2.4.18-1-k7, and it will build you a module.. however I am sure someone in here could point you to the proper debian-way of doing it.. I've only used the binary from nvidia, but its not the proper way to do it on a debian system, because it doesnt integrate with the package system and will break on upgrades |
| 06:43.00 | tnks | gravity: do you find that stow works pretty well, or does it barf on things from time to time? |
| 06:43.06 | cafuego | Mendeleth/nvz: Coz it's an AthlonXP, it may have a KT400 or KM400 or KT600 mobo. That chipset will only run in PIO mode with < 2.4.21 kernels. |
| 06:43.09 | lucasvv | I have a pretty standard Debian Testing installation with apache, protected (I hope) by firestarter. In my logs I regularly find strange HTTP requests, for example with very long URLs. Am I under attack? Is there need to worry / take special precautions? |
| 06:43.18 | gravity | tnks: I don't use it myself, but it's what's generally recommended |
| 06:43.36 | cafuego | lucasvv: Those are normally caused by infected MS IIS machines. You can safely ignore them. |
| 06:44.08 | cafuego | lucasvv: If you're worried, try apache2 with a tweaked mod-security. |
| 06:44.42 | nvz | cafuego: oh, and that would be disasterous... heh I wasn't aware those boards were DMA nazis |
| 06:44.50 | cafuego | Mendeleth/nvz: In addition, kernels < 2.4.21 don't support the KT/KM 400 AGP gart. |
| 06:44.52 | lucasvv | cafuego: What do you mean tweaked? Make it more secure? Make it report more details? What does mod_security anyway...? |
| 06:44.54 | tnks | gravity: Thanks, I just found this tool, and generally, I like to install Debian packages and avoid local installation all-together, but stow seems serve a compelling function for the few packages I have to install manually. |
| 06:45.07 | cafuego | nvz: They're not DMA nazis, they're just newer than those kernels. |
| 06:45.10 | lucasvv | (... do ...) |
| 06:45.21 | gravity | tnks: Check out checkinstall. Another option is to just make yourself a simple package. It's not that hard. |
| 06:45.29 | Mendeleth | cafuego and there's no patch? |
| 06:45.33 | nvz | cafuego: thus, newer than woody. |
| 06:45.34 | cafuego | lucasvv: mod-security can be set up to explicitly log such requests or reject them altogether. |
| 06:46.08 | lucasvv | cafuego: I'm going to have a look. If only for the fun of it. Thanks! |
| 06:46.09 | cafuego | Mendeleth: No, but any homebanked 2.4 kernel should run fine on woody. Honestly though, if he's running a desktop box, he should go to Sarge. |
| 06:46.10 | tnks | gravity: that's true. I've really not figured out how to make packages from scratch. Also, I need to figure out how to use automake. |
| 06:46.15 | cafuego | lucasvv: np |
| 06:46.21 | lucasvv | exit |
| 06:46.24 | lucasvv | sorry |
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| 06:46.30 | cafuego | lummel |
| 06:46.33 | gravity | tnks: I hate autotools :-p |
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| 06:46.49 | cafuego | theshane: Any luck? |
| 06:47.08 | theshane | cafuego: VIA Technologies, Inc. Bus Master IDE (rev 06) |
| 06:47.16 | Linuxs | How do I change to root? |
| 06:47.23 | markmrd | su |
| 06:47.28 | MobyTurbo | Linuxs: sy |
| 06:47.30 | Mendeleth | cafuego theshane should install 2.4.24 kernel, it's a good one but there's no package |
| 06:47.31 | MobyTurbo | Linuxs: su |
| 06:47.38 | speedy2782 | I need a walkthrough of wlan0 setup. My eth0 is inactive, but still connects to the internet. my wlan is active and won't connect |
| 06:47.41 | dabreegster | Ratpoison wasn't quite right. Is there a window manager/environment that will mimic the Linux console with VTs and stuff? I know I can do it by hand, but I was wondering if there was an app built for the job. |
| 06:47.42 | Linuxs | su does not help |
| 06:47.43 | cafuego | theshane: As I thought. That chipset is not in any way supported by a 2.2 kernel and not really by the latest available 2.4.18 kernel for woody either. |
| 06:47.44 | MobyTurbo | oops |
| 06:47.54 | Linuxs | - |
| 06:48.03 | Xsquared | is there a way make the text on the tty's smaller |
| 06:48.09 | theshane | cafuego: What kernel would be best? |
| 06:48.14 | cafuego | theshane: Your harddisk with speed up by a factor 10 to 20 if you get yourself a kernel newer then 2.4.21 |
| 06:48.15 | Xsquared | 640x480 is killing me |
| 06:48.28 | dabreegster | Xsquared: SVGATextMode or maybe another font; see console-tools |
| 06:48.30 | tnks | gravity: Man, I just looked up checkinstall. It seems like it's even better than stow, but I have no idea how it work. Do you use it? |
| 06:48.31 | cafuego | theshane: And a kernel like that will ALSO support the agp controller on your mobo. |
| 06:48.47 | gravity | tnks: Never used it myself either, but I hear good things |
| 06:48.47 | Xsquared | thanks dabreegster |
| 06:48.48 | theshane | cafuego: How do I get one of those? |
| 06:48.51 | cafuego | theshane: Are you going to be using that box as desktop machine? |
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| 06:49.02 | theshane | Yes |
| 06:49.07 | cafuego | theshane: ... and do you have broadband? |
| 06:49.14 | markmrd | anyone know about wirless settings, I am seeing signal strength through KWifiManager, but I cannot connect to the internet? |
| 06:49.15 | theshane | cafuego: yes |
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| 06:49.19 | cafuego | theshane: Rock. |
| 06:49.36 | dabreegster | Xsquared: apt-get install svgatextmode; SVGATextMode -s; SVGATextMode "resolution from -s" |
| 06:49.57 | cafuego | theshane: let's bring your box into the 21st century. Edit /etc/apt/sources.list and change 'stable' or 'woody' into 'sarge' on all lines. |
| 06:50.25 | Xsquared | dabreegster: ok, this sounds a bit complicated now |
| 06:50.27 | theshane | Okay |
| 06:50.28 | benjamindees | lol, Woody's old but not *that* old... |
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| 06:50.48 | cafuego | benjamindees: artistic license ;-) |
| 06:50.56 | dabreegster | Xsquared: no way. Just grab the package, run -s to get a list of resolutions that will work, and try em. |
| 06:51.01 | MobyTurbo | benjamindees: 2000 is not the 21st century. ;-) |
| 06:51.12 | dabreegster | Xsquared: or get console-tools (I think..) and use consolechars -f /usr/share/consolefonts/foo |
| 06:51.19 | sion | dabreegster: what does -s do? |
| 06:51.40 | nvz | this assonance thing got me baffled, clearly by definition... feet/deet/leet/meet is not an example of assonance, because despite the fact the vowel sounds are similar, the following consonants are the same.. and the definition as I understand it, is similar vowel sounds, with different following consonants. |
| 06:51.40 | Xsquared | ok |
| 06:51.42 | dabreegster | sion: scan the config file and see which resolutions can be supported by your card/monitor. |
| 06:51.47 | Xsquared | i have svgatextmode |
| 06:52.04 | dabreegster | Usually it will autoprobe all right, I think I changed something in /etc/TextConfig, can't remember what. |
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| 06:52.23 | MobyTurbo | nvz: deet? |
| 06:52.30 | dabreegster | Xsquared: run SVGATextMode -s and choose a resolution. the default is 80x25 |
| 06:52.39 | theshane | cafuego: I get 'Permission denied' |
| 06:52.41 | nvz | MobyTurbo: yeah, its something used to repell misquitos |
| 06:52.43 | helix | nvz: you should write a poem about it |
| 06:53.01 | cafuego | misquitos? |
| 06:53.02 | Linuxs | cp: cannot create regular file??! |
| 06:53.02 | Mendeleth | theshane you must be root |
| 06:53.09 | cafuego | theshane: as root.. |
| 06:53.11 | clueless | Hey, I am writing a script to point /dev/cdrom to /dev/hd[abcd] as appropriate during boot up. Right now I am digging through /var/log/syslog with python regular expression, but is there a better way to do this? |
| 06:53.22 | cafuego | nvz: are they related to mosquitoes? |
| 06:53.25 | MobyTurbo | nvz: I believe you spelled mesquitos wrong, but I may have too. :-) |
| 06:53.26 | theshane | cafuego: I am in root |
| 06:53.32 | Xsquared | dabreegster: whats the extra number at the end of it? |
| 06:53.33 | MobyTurbo | cafuego: bingo |
| 06:53.36 | nvz | helix: I haven't written anything in like 4-5 years.. and if I don't start groking these literary terms, it doesnt seem like I will be writing again any time soon.. I just checked out a book titles "Grammar for grownups" heh |
| 06:53.39 | cafuego | theshane: Then it must be able to save |
| 06:53.46 | dabreegster | Xsquared: not too sure, hangon |
| 06:53.47 | Xsquared | dabreegster: 80x33x9 etc... |
| 06:53.53 | helix | grammar is fun |
| 06:53.53 | benjamindees | clueless, probably also in /proc somewhere |
| 06:53.55 | cafuego | MobyTurbo: You win a furry cactus! |
| 06:54.09 | nvz | helix: the stuff I wrote when I was doing it reguarly wasnt that bad, but I was obviously not very well educated, as I see now |
| 06:54.11 | IisHere | am spinning |
| 06:54.13 | Linuxs | theshane: I had the same problem.. maybe its a bug :) |
| 06:54.18 | brak | how to install a deb package in debian? |
| 06:54.20 | dabreegster | Xsquared: the 8 versus 9 bit just looks a bit different. Experiment. |
| 06:54.22 | MobyTurbo | cafuego: yum, cactus |
| 06:54.33 | cafuego | theshane: is the root filesystem mounted read-only? |
| 06:54.42 | MobyTurbo | cafuego: snapple used to have a nice cactus flavored ice tea. |
| 06:54.43 | Xsquared | ok, thanks |
| 06:54.45 | cafuego | brak: with dpkg. 'man dpkg'. |
| 06:54.47 | benjamindees | brak, man dpkg |
| 06:54.50 | gravity | helix: You're sick |
| 06:54.52 | dabreegster | brak: dpkg -i foo.deb or apt-get install foo, assuming your sources are set up. |
| 06:55.00 | cafuego | MobyTurbo: there used to be a cactus flavoured soft drink in holland |
| 06:55.01 | theshane | cafuego: what you just said is french to me . . . I'm american |
| 06:55.01 | IisHere | newhere. do have a debian/GNU. freebox. |
| 06:55.02 | nvz | cafuego: heh I think they might be in the same phylum.. which I |
| 06:55.03 | helix | nvz: well, look at examples. dict gives 'calamo' and 'platano' as examples of assonance. |
| 06:55.15 | helix | gravity: because I like grammar? |
| 06:55.16 | Linuxs | man apt |
| 06:55.22 | gravity | helix: Yes |
| 06:55.23 | brak | thanks a lot! |
| 06:55.27 | theshane | cafuego: so I have no idea |
| 06:55.28 | helix | gravity: why? |
| 06:55.33 | helix | it's exciting! |
| 06:55.42 | cafuego | theshane: As root, run 'touch /test' |
| 06:56.04 | asuffield | helix: you're a pervert. most of the things that excite you are sick |
| 06:56.08 | Xsquared | dabreegster: omg! |
| 06:56.09 | nvz | helix: yeah I got examples.. I've been looking at this all day. its just the example I gave.. I am not sure about.. cause the definitions seem to say the consonants that follow must be different, and I guess that means that the feet/meet thing is not assonance.. but it really seems like the same thing to me |
| 06:56.11 | helix | asuffield: you like grammar too :P |
| 06:56.13 | Xsquared | dabreegster: beautiful |
| 06:56.17 | gravity | You're both sick |
| 06:56.17 | Xsquared | dabreegster: thanks mate |
| 06:56.22 | helix | nvz: oh, I see |
| 06:56.22 | asuffield | helix: no, I like making fun of people. grammar is just a tool |
| 06:56.23 | IisHere | still spinning |
| 06:56.27 | Linuxs | now its morning in Norway |
| 06:56.36 | dabreegster | Xsquared: cool. I have a good card, but a crappy monitor, so it didnt help me much |
| 06:56.47 | helix | asuffield: surely you're not limiting your definition of grammar to english? |
| 06:56.49 | dabreegster | Xsquared: you like customizing the console? I've learned how to get it looking really good. |
| 06:56.54 | IisHere | have distant relatives in norway.. |
| 06:57.11 | theshane | cafuego: that did nothing I don't think |
| 06:57.15 | cafuego | nvz: I think perhaps assonance was invented by people who didn't catch the hang of rhyming. |
| 06:57.17 | Linuxs | I have distant relavtives in america.. |
| 06:57.25 | MobyTurbo | Linuxs: now it's o-dark-thirty in Brooklyn, NY |
| 06:57.39 | cafuego | theshane: if it didn't print an error, your disk is not read-only, so you SHOULD be able edit /etc/apt/sources.list as root. |
| 06:57.41 | IisHere | its' almost 11 pm here |
| 06:57.50 | Xsquared | dabreegster: i also wanted to use bitchx with the funny chars.. in the normal console, you can't |
| 06:57.53 | Mendeleth | theshane what's your fileditor? vi? |
| 06:57.54 | cafuego | Sun Mar 13 17:58:25 EST 2005 |
| 06:57.58 | helix | nvz: I don't think 'deed' and so forth match since the consonants are bundled up in the middle; there needs to be some kind of actual rhythm, I think, though it's not clear to me whether that means "only multisyllable words" |
| 06:57.59 | asuffield | helix: I know too much about parsing to look at grammatical constructs with anything but revulsion. I don't touch it other than where necessary for linguistics and shit |
| 06:58.01 | Jappis | hmm... is there program something like bootsplash.. it doesn't fit with my 2.6.11 kernel =\ |
| 06:58.03 | IisHere | very new to linux. couple months. or so |
| 06:58.04 | MobyTurbo | IisHere: west coast? |
| 06:58.13 | IisHere | yes |
| 06:58.14 | Linuxs | søn 13 mar, 07:57 |
| 06:58.15 | MobyTurbo | cafuego: EST?! |
| 06:58.16 | cafuego | Nearly nacho time. |
| 06:58.17 | theshane | Mendeleth: I have no idea, I just installed Linux for the first time today. |
| 06:58.26 | Linuxs | hehe |
| 06:58.28 | helix | asuffield: oh, the lack of logic bothers you? |
| 06:58.30 | dabreegster | Xsquared: funny characters? escape codes? unicode? ANSI color? |
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| 06:58.33 | cafuego | MobyTurbo: Yes! And ours is ahead of yours! |
| 06:58.41 | nvz | cafuego: heh, yeah I guess |
| 06:58.41 | IisHere | I got a freebox. |
| 06:58.51 | asuffield | helix: it's not the lack of logic. it's the way that it was carefully designed to frustrate and confound any attempt at analysis |
| 06:58.55 | MobyTurbo | IisHere: I've been using Linux since kernel 0.95 and I still learn new things. |
| 06:58.58 | cafuego | MobyTurbo: So your EST is inferior! |
| 06:58.59 | Xsquared | dabreegster: ansi colors |
| 06:58.59 | dabreegster | Xsquared: try unicode_start as root |
| 06:59.24 | cafuego | asuffield: Even linguists need to keep themselves in their jobs. |
| 06:59.26 | asuffield | helix: besides, english grammar is 99% scan and flow anyway, and you can do those on sheer instinct |
| 06:59.26 | IisHere | how is your name is highlighted. mobyturbo? |
| 06:59.27 | dabreegster | Xsquared: that should work by default.. try setterm -foreground green or something |
| 06:59.30 | Mendeleth | theshane so do' vi /etc/apt/sources.list |
| 06:59.35 | cafuego | maybe 'especially' instead of 'even'. |
| 06:59.37 | kill_daemon | hi. a question. when I use minicom to log into a remote machine the intr setting in stty is not set. hence ^c does not stop a program. i must set it manually with stty intr ^c. how do i set that automatically? |
| 06:59.43 | asuffield | cafuego: <shrug> I'm no linguist, so I don't care >:) |
| 06:59.43 | helix | asuffield: there must be a lot of people with broken instincts then... |
| 06:59.45 | nvz | helix: I am studying poetry right now, actually. This is why all the confusion about literary terminology. I used to write poetry like every day several years ago, and I never knew about half the things I am learning about now. |
| 06:59.47 | cafuego | Mendeleth: nano is theshane's friend |
| 06:59.52 | asuffield | helix: yes. they're thickies. |
| 06:59.52 | llama32 | mobyturbo: what years was 0.95 from? |
| 06:59.59 | Xsquared | dabreegster: no such animal as unicode_start |
| 07:00.12 | MobyTurbo | cafuego: EST = Eurotrash Standard Time? |
| 07:00.21 | asuffield | helix: it is not overly dissimilar to the knack of public speaking |
| 07:00.22 | dabreegster | Xsquared: apt-get install unicode? |
| 07:00.30 | Penix | MobyTurbo: Eastern Standard Time |
| 07:00.32 | helix | nvz: ah. poetry, which is usually horrible to read, is interesting in terms of construction |
| 07:00.34 | cafuego | MobyTurbo: Perhaps you'd care to recheck that hostmask before embarrasing yourself even more... |
| 07:00.46 | helix | asuffield: eh, public speaking is fun and easy |
| 07:00.50 | IisHere | do you guys type the name then : or what |
| 07:00.53 | Mendeleth | cafuego well i like vi :) i don't know how to use nano... |
| 07:00.58 | asuffield | nvz: the important thing to realise about poetry is that it's almost completely pretentious bullshit |
| 07:01.00 | Xsquared | that worked |
| 07:01.01 | MobyTurbo | Penix: that's what it is here. |
| 07:01.03 | cafuego | IisHere: no, we type the first letter and then hit tab. |
| 07:01.04 | gravity | helix: Fun yes. Easy, never. |
| 07:01.07 | IisHere | very new to chat program. tonight. |
| 07:01.19 | IisHere | c |
| 07:01.19 | nvz | asuffield: heh |
| 07:01.21 | MobyTurbo | llama32: about '92 or thereabouts |
| 07:01.29 | IisHere | what |
| 07:01.32 | llama32 | wow |
| 07:01.32 | cafuego | IisHere: You need a decent irc program for that to work, though. |
| 07:01.33 | dabreegster | Xsquared: console-tools, console-utilities, and related have a bunch of useful programs. See if you have fgconsole, chvt, setterm, vcstime.. |
| 07:01.34 | helix | nvz: start with haiku, move on to limericks, then try to tackle sonnets or something |
| 07:01.38 | Linuxs | hehe |
| 07:01.38 | Penix | MobyTurbo: a more precise version is AEST - Australian Eastern Standard Time |
| 07:01.42 | helix | gravity: what's hard about it? |
| 07:01.46 | Linuxs | wow |
| 07:01.46 | IisHere | interesting. |
| 07:01.49 | benjamindees | assonance sounds like words that a bad poet would rhyme together |
| 07:01.52 | MobyTurbo | boy am I lagging |
| 07:01.55 | cafuego | AEDST |
| 07:02.02 | gravity | helix: It's very hard to prepare a really good talk |
| 07:02.04 | llama32 | who else in here is an australian? i know i am |
| 07:02.04 | Penix | you win ;P |
| 07:02.09 | Penix | damn D! |
| 07:02.10 | MobyTurbo | Penix: OZST |
| 07:02.15 | helix | gravity: hmm -- could be. depends on subject matter, I guess. |
| 07:02.22 | gravity | helix: I suppose it depends on the subject matter though. In science, it's very difficult no matter how often you've done it |
| 07:02.25 | gravity | heh |
| 07:02.26 | helix | yeah |
| 07:02.27 | IisHere | doesn'twork |
| 07:02.34 | Xsquared | dabreegster: i can see u spend alot of time customising your console |
| 07:02.38 | cafuego | Penix: I dunno if it's 'D' at the moment.. just thought I'd throw it in ;-) |
| 07:02.41 | helix | gravity: preparing anything generally sucks :P giving a talk is easy though |
| 07:02.42 | pw | benjamindees: I think assonance should mean "the characteristic of talking loudly on mailing lists whilst ignoring the refutation of your ill-conceived ideas". But it doesn't. |
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| 07:02.46 | dabreegster | Xsquared: it's my life. |
| 07:02.53 | dabreegster | gotta go; goodnight .* |
| 07:03.00 | gravity | helix: Yeah, I find giving it relatively easy if I've prepped well. But it's writing it to your audience that's hard |
| 07:03.11 | helix | pw: there's already a word for that, sorta. "cacophony" |
| 07:03.12 | Penix | cafuego: not D at the moment afaik |
| 07:03.31 | helix | gravity: yeah, it's generally good to sketch out an audience profile before actually preparing stuff |
| 07:03.32 | nvz | helix: yeah I think why I used to write it so much, was to discover what I was feeling inside. Then I guess I got sick of what I was finding out.. heh I recently discovered this little gem.. I thought it was cute, Eve Merriam published it in 1986, its called "Metaphor" you may have heard of it. |
| 07:03.43 | Penix | well, it's 6pm and it's starting to get sort of dark, so I suppose it's not |
| 07:03.45 | cafuego | Penix: Half my clocks are 30 mins fast and the rest are 30 mins slow, so it's much of a muchness to me. |
| 07:04.04 | cafuego | Penix: Queensland doesn't do the 'D' at all, ever. |
| 07:04.08 | Penix | yeah |
| 07:04.10 | Penix | fools |
| 07:04.26 | cafuego | Penix: I concur, but that has nothing to do with it ;-) |
| 07:04.28 | helix | nvz: there are some cute french poems which use sort of homonym-like french words to sound like english |
| 07:04.28 | IisHere | wht the D |
| 07:04.42 | Linuxs | Baudelaire |
| 07:04.53 | helix | but they're only cool if you can pronounce french |
| 07:04.59 | cafuego | helix: le weekend |
| 07:05.00 | theshane | cafuego: alright, I changed all the 'stable' to 'sarge' do I save it somehow? |
| 07:05.02 | MobyTurbo | Penix: Arizona (excepting the indian reservations) and part of Indiana don't do DST |
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| 07:05.16 | gravity | oh man |
| 07:05.28 | nvz | heh |
| 07:05.28 | helix | nvz: for example: http://www.ghira.mistral.co.uk/mots.html |
| 07:05.34 | helix | (jack and jill) |
| 07:05.39 | cafuego | theshane: Yep. type <esc> :wq! <return> if you're in vi. |
| 07:05.42 | Penix | MobyTurbo: indian reservations do dst in a non-dst state? weird |
| 07:05.52 | Mendeleth | theshane with 'vi' it's ':wq' with nano it's ctrl+O |
| 07:05.54 | gravity | cafuego: ouch |
| 07:06.02 | Penix | how deliciously rebellious |
| 07:06.08 | MobyTurbo | Penix: maybe they are less crazy than Arizonians. |
| 07:06.16 | cafuego | gravity: Sorry, did i elbow you in the nose? |
| 07:06.22 | MobyTurbo | Penix: after all Arizona gave us Barry Goldwater |
| 07:06.28 | helix | poems about feelings aren't fun. poems that exploit language are. |
| 07:06.32 | gravity | cafuego: No, that was a bit harsh on the quitting there |
| 07:06.36 | Penix | MobyTurbo: is Arizona's non-DST stance due to the warm weather? |
| 07:06.46 | cafuego | gravity: that was the just-in-case save |
| 07:06.50 | gravity | hehe |
| 07:06.55 | MobyTurbo | Penix: probably because they didn't like FDR, I have no idea. |
| 07:06.55 | Linuxs | my printer works partially |
| 07:06.57 | gravity | Not that I object really |
| 07:07.02 | IisHere | wht is DST |
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| 07:07.06 | cafuego | gravity: Normally I just ZZ |
| 07:07.08 | helix | :-O |
| 07:07.15 | cafuego | IisHere: Daylight Savings Time |
| 07:07.15 | helix | I have a twin in seattle! |
| 07:07.21 | MobyTurbo | brb, nature calls |
| 07:07.25 | Penix | MobyTurbo: FDR introduced DST in the US, eh? |
| 07:07.25 | theshane | cafuego: okay, now what do I do? |
| 07:07.26 | cafuego | helix: is she sleepless? |
| 07:07.29 | helix_ | W: GPG error: ftp://ftp.nerim.net unstable Release: The following signatures couldn't be verified because the public key is not available: NO_PUBKEY 07DC563D1F41B907 |
| 07:07.29 | helix_ | W: You may want to run apt-get update to correct these problems |
| 07:07.29 | helix_ | <PROTECTED> |
| 07:07.30 | helix | let's ask |
| 07:07.34 | nvz | helix: (: cool, I think I had better stick to english until I can read/write/speak it to some understandable degree. |
| 07:07.34 | helix | helix_: are you sleepless? |
| 07:07.41 | IisHere | oh ok. haven't got there yet dst |
| 07:07.43 | Mendeleth | theshane apt-get update |
| 07:07.54 | cafuego | theshane: Now run 'apt-get update' and then run 'apt-get dist-upgrade' |
| 07:07.58 | Linuxs | apt-get upgrade |
| 07:08.01 | cafuego | theshane: Be prepared to wait a while... |
| 07:08.06 | Mendeleth | theshane and then 'apt-get dist-upgrade' |
| 07:08.07 | cafuego | Linuxs: No. |
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| 07:08.11 | IisHere | so do i have adjust my dst my self |
| 07:08.13 | Linuxs | oops |
| 07:08.39 | cafuego | helix: there was a `helix on #ubuntu 2 days ago. |
| 07:08.46 | nvz | helix: I am probably not as bad a communicator as I think I am. I just lived with a bunch of bad communicators my whole life, who have shouted at me, and told me I was a bad communicator. |
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| 07:08.50 | helix | they must be using my distro |
| 07:08.58 | helix | nvz: boohoo |
| 07:09.09 | IisHere | may have reunion with child. adopted out 20 years ago.. |
| 07:09.22 | Penix | listening to Dio's greatest hits seems to give me a coding ability boost |
| 07:09.23 | nvz | well people here seem to understand me most of the time. |
| 07:09.25 | Linuxs | cafuego: why do write in red sometimes? |
| 07:09.29 | Linuxs | you |
| 07:09.44 | gravity | Penix: Holy Diver! |
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| 07:09.53 | gravity | Ronny James is the man |
| 07:09.57 | Penix | damn straight |
| 07:10.02 | cafuego | helix: You're a media player, not a distro. |
| 07:10.09 | cafuego | Linuxs: I never write in red. |
| 07:10.16 | helix | cafuego: I am a livecd |
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| 07:10.19 | helix | !helix |
| 07:10.22 | helix | damnit |
| 07:10.26 | helix | ~helix |
| 07:10.27 | apt | leave her alone. |
| 07:10.30 | helix | bah |
| 07:10.31 | IisHere | old |
| 07:10.32 | Penix | you're a former company |
| 07:10.36 | Penix | but now you're a monkey |
| 07:10.37 | Linuxs | You wrote in red now |
| 07:10.37 | cafuego | helix: So you mean I could have microwaved you instead of roasting? |
| 07:10.39 | gravity | helix: I can put you in my computer and you won't touch my hard drive? |
| 07:10.46 | asuffield | monkey, there's a good description |
| 07:10.47 | Bruno_Torres | is there someone here who uses an ati video card with the proprietary driver in a 2.6 kernel? |
| 07:10.51 | helix | cafuego: or used me as a coaster! |
| 07:10.52 | asuffield | I shall have to remember that one |
| 07:11.02 | cafuego | Linuxs: maybe you should ask your irc/chat client why it hilkights any lines containing your nickname in red. |
| 07:11.08 | gravity | You must be a ximian livecd |
| 07:11.22 | Linuxs | AHA |
| 07:11.27 | Mendeleth | Bruno_Torres shame on me , i got one... |
| 07:11.32 | cafuego | helix: microwaved livecds make artier coasters |
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| 07:12.10 | Linuxs | hahaha |
| 07:12.19 | Bruno_Torres | Mendeleth, i just compiled kernel 2.6.11.2 and downloaded the latest ati driver |
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| 07:12.38 | Bruno_Torres | Mendeleth, and i get lots of errors in build_mod/make.sh |
| 07:12.47 | Bruno_Torres | Mendeleth, i need some help... |
| 07:12.49 | Mendeleth | me too |
| 07:12.58 | cafuego | Bruno_Torres: it is highly likely it won't work with 2.6.11 or 2.6.10 due to changes in the kernel code. Try 2.6.8 or 2.6.9 |
| 07:13.16 | IisHere | I do too. but your stuff looks more urgent |
| 07:13.20 | Bruno_Torres | cafuego, hmmm....weird...i'll look at it |
| 07:13.32 | Mendeleth | cafuego let me answer pls hehe |
| 07:13.41 | cafuego | Bruno_Torres: nvidia has the same issue. (although there are 3rd party patches) |
| 07:13.50 | IisHere | i am just watching |
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| 07:13.58 | cafuego | Mendeleth: I'll go and have dinner in a few minutes, you can have the captain's hat then. |
| 07:14.00 | Bruno_Torres | so, i'll download 2.6.8 |
| 07:14.06 | helix | is IisHere talking to someone or..? |
| 07:14.11 | Bruno_Torres | should have a patch to downgrade version... :) |
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| 07:14.20 | Mendeleth | 2.69 works too |
| 07:14.21 | IisHere | I wouln't know who talk to? ok |
| 07:14.22 | theshane | cafuego: dinner? hah, I'm going to sleep |
| 07:14.28 | Mendeleth | 2.6.9 sorry |
| 07:14.31 | helix | IisHere: are you a bot? |
| 07:14.31 | cafuego | Bruno_Torres: You could also download patch-2.6.9 through to 2.6.11.2 and patch -R your source tree (might be quicker) |
| 07:14.39 | IisHere | what is a bot? |
| 07:14.51 | Bruno_Torres | cafuego, i've never done it...does it work? |
| 07:14.53 | nvz | IisHere: a program designed to respond to input |
| 07:14.54 | cafuego | IisHere: touché |
| 07:14.56 | MobyTurbo | Penix: yep, he introduced DST in the US. It was a war measure. |
| 07:14.58 | IisHere | nope. |
| 07:15.02 | cafuego | Bruno_Torres: Normally, yes. |
| 07:15.15 | Bruno_Torres | cafuego, thx |
| 07:15.21 | Bruno_Torres | Mendeleth, thx too |
| 07:15.29 | IisHere | poor chick with free computer.. but loved more then windows. |
| 07:15.32 | cafuego | Bruno_Torres: just run it with --dry-run first to check. |
| 07:15.33 | nvz | IisHere: then I suppose, you are a person... like a bot but squishier. |
| 07:15.39 | IisHere | use to make money. sort of. |
| 07:15.43 | Bruno_Torres | cafuego, ok |
| 07:15.55 | IisHere | new with this chat stuff tho. |
| 07:16.14 | Mendeleth | Bruno_Torres anyway dri driver from ati doesn't work very well... |
| 07:16.16 | theshane | Goodnight everyone (good day to people on the other side of the world) Thanks for the help |
| 07:16.17 | Bruno_Torres | cafuego, may i use the same .config? |
| 07:16.19 | karsten | Feh, what happened to dpkg? |
| 07:16.21 | MobyTurbo | IisHere: one rule of chatting is to talk in syntactically correct English. |
| 07:16.32 | Linuxs | I have downloaded a file upp.ppd from linuxprinting.org. Where do I go from here? |
| 07:16.37 | cafuego | Bruno_Torres: yep. Well, just run 'make oldconfig' before you rebuild the kernel. |
| 07:16.39 | IisHere | i am. |
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| 07:16.55 | Mendeleth | theshane good night :) |
| 07:17.00 | nvz | IisHere: well, welcome to #debian. this is a user channel, where users come to support others and get support. you should check out the Freenode guidelines if you are new to the network http://freenode.net/channel_guidelines.shtml |
| 07:17.07 | Bruno_Torres | cafuego, okay |
| 07:17.24 | IisHere | syntactically correct english.. |
| 07:17.28 | MobyTurbo | nvz: are you sure *you're* not a bot? |
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| 07:17.42 | cafuego | IisHere: That would not normally include a double full stop. |
| 07:17.43 | IisHere | wouldn't even know how to be one? |
| 07:17.47 | nvz | MobyTurbo: I am like a bot... but squishier.. more like a meat popscicle |
| 07:17.53 | karsten | MobyTurbo: nvz has his Turing Test pass certification, and has shown it to me. |
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| 07:17.59 | markmrd | I am having trouble with my network, I can connect using a regular network card, but with a wireless network card I cannot connect, I can see I have signal strength, but I cannot ping anything, any ideas? |
| 07:18.03 | cafuego | nvz: I loved you in 'The Fifth Element'. |
| 07:18.06 | Scrape | Anyone know how to get ldapdns to pass referrals for domains not in my local network? |
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| 07:18.24 | nvz | cafuego: yeah, it was hardly my best work, though I am proud. |
| 07:18.27 | MobyTurbo | karsten: just because he's traveled a lot doesn't mean he's not a bot. |
| 07:18.31 | Bruno_Torres | cafuego, can u please try to access www.brunotorres.net |
| 07:18.33 | karsten | markmrd: is your route / default GW set properly? |
| 07:18.35 | IisHere | I liked that movie |
| 07:18.42 | Bruno_Torres | Mendeleth, u too, please...www.brunotorres.net |
| 07:18.54 | Linuxs | I tried find / -name '*.ppd*' |
| 07:18.54 | Linuxs | <PROTECTED> |
| 07:18.56 | karsten | markmrd: ...and/or what does 'ifconfig' say about your WiFi iface? |
| 07:18.56 | MobyTurbo | ~u |
| 07:18.57 | apt | Dammit Jim! It's YOU. Y-O-U. Not *U*. U is a letter. YOU is a word. See ne1. |
| 07:19.01 | markmrd | I am using DHCP, do I still need to set the default gateway, where do I do that? |
| 07:19.03 | nvz | negative, I am a meat popscicile. |
| 07:19.06 | karsten | Linuxs: 'man cp' |
| 07:19.09 | cafuego | Bruno_Torres: Well, nao falo portuguese... |
| 07:19.18 | nvz | damn.. I think there are too many vowels there |
| 07:19.23 | karsten | nvz: Kindly put your meat popsicle *away* when you're on channel. |
| 07:19.29 | Bruno_Torres | cafuego, there is an english version |
| 07:19.31 | nvz | heh |
| 07:19.37 | IisHere | women |
| 07:19.46 | asuffield | cafuego: use a sharper stick |
| 07:19.48 | Bruno_Torres | cafuego, but, i just wonder if it was working...someone told me it was not |
| 07:19.51 | Mendeleth | Bruno_Torres and? |
| 07:19.57 | Bruno_Torres | cafuego, www.brunotorres.net/en/ |
| 07:20.00 | markmrd | ifconfig says it has been given an IP address |
| 07:20.03 | Bruno_Torres | Mendeleth, working? |
| 07:20.07 | karsten | cafuego: ...or borrow nvz. |
| 07:20.19 | IisHere | nasty |
| 07:20.20 | karsten | cafuego: Exactly. |
| 07:20.21 | Mendeleth | yup |
| 07:20.37 | karsten | cafuego: it did. |
| 07:20.37 | markmrd | in KWifiManager I can see the signal strength but just can't connect |
| 07:20.40 | benjamindees | heh |
| 07:20.41 | helix | cafuego: what do you want, fool? |
| 07:20.43 | nvz | cafuego: you are determined to piss her off, aren't you. I am sure she's no longer sitting around being ammused by this anymore |
| 07:21.05 | nvz | or maybe people are more bored than I though |
| 07:21.06 | karsten | !tell markmrd about smart questions |
| 07:21.13 | cafuego | helix: There's a opportunity for you to read portugese content! |
| 07:21.16 | peterS | nvz: yeah, if she were really pissed off she would have just ignored him |
| 07:21.17 | markmrd | ??? |
| 07:21.19 | karsten | markmrd: How about telling us what you've done, command-line wise, and what response you're getting. |
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| 07:21.27 | nvz | peterS: I thought that had happened already |
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| 07:21.31 | c4_ | cafuego? |
| 07:21.32 | IisHere | don't get bored. |
| 07:21.34 | karsten | markmrd: ...and reading posts to you, and respondign to them, rather than repeating yourself. |
| 07:21.34 | MobyTurbo | karsten: dpkg is AWOL, use apt |
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| 07:21.42 | karsten | MobyTurbo: Point. |
| 07:21.54 | punsad | does the script brk2 mean anything to anyone? |
| 07:21.58 | karsten | MobyTurbo: What's apt's invoke charcter? Not '!'. |
| 07:22.03 | jelque | seen dpkg |
| 07:22.06 | helix | cafuego: ok, where? |
| 07:22.08 | MobyTurbo | karsten: ~ |
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| 07:22.15 | karsten | MobyTurbo: Thanks. Been a while. |
| 07:22.15 | cafuego | karsten: Well actually, since that shaving incident... |
| 07:22.23 | cafuego | helix: www.brunotorres.net |
| 07:22.41 | Linuxs | 311:/home/egil# cp Canon-S500-bj8pa06n.upp.ppd ../usr/share/ppd/model |
| 07:22.42 | Linuxs | cp: cannot create regular file `../usr/share/ppd/model': Ingen slik fil eller filkatalog |
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| 07:22.58 | karsten | cafuego: Um. I *really* don't need to know what you were shaving. |
| 07:22.59 | markmrd | karsten: if I type ifconfig I can see my wireless network interface, it has an IP address and seems to be set up like my regualr ethernet card |
| 07:23.03 | cafuego | Linuxs: is cp telling you the disk is full? |
| 07:23.03 | karsten | Linuxs: man sudo |
| 07:23.04 | Bruno_Torres | helix, studying portuguese? |
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| 07:23.13 | MrMeee | how to i install x11 with apt-get |
| 07:23.16 | karsten | cafuego: He's running as non-root, methinks. |
| 07:23.26 | karsten | ~tell MrMeee about install x |
| 07:23.30 | punsad | MrMeee: apt-get install x-windows-system |
| 07:23.32 | helix | Bruno_Torres: not formally; I just read it and look up words when I need :P |
| 07:23.53 | Bruno_Torres | nice |
| 07:24.01 | Mendeleth | Bruno_Torres i love your country dude! :) |
| 07:24.08 | Bruno_Torres | cafuego, reverse patching doesnt seem to work |
| 07:24.11 | karsten | Linuxs: You might want to set your locale to 'en-US' for shell commands while you're on this channel. |
| 07:24.18 | Bruno_Torres | Mendeleth, oh, thanks...its lovely indeed |
| 07:24.25 | benjamindees | Linuxs, /usr/share/ppd/model not ../usr/share/ppd/model |
| 07:24.26 | MrMeee | ty |
| 07:24.38 | c4_ | cafuego: what is that # last quote in kiki? |
| 07:24.40 | cafuego | Bruno_Torres: You running 'patch' correctly? |
| 07:24.47 | cafuego | c4_: say whatnow? |
| 07:24.57 | Bruno_Torres | cafuego, in /usr/src/linux i issued : patch -p1 -R < ../patch-2.6.9 |
| 07:25.06 | Linuxs | benjamindees : ok, but do I have to write the new filename too? |
| 07:25.08 | karsten | Linuxs: 'locale en-US' in your shell should do that. Will issue english error messages. |
| 07:25.18 | c4_ | cafuego: annoyingquotes in wiki? |
| 07:25.30 | benjamindees | Linuxs, just the destination directory is sufficient for cp |
| 07:25.33 | cafuego | Bruno_Torres: Start with the highest patch. 2.6.11.2, then 2.6.11.1, then 2.6.11, then 2.6.10 (then you'll be on 2.6.9) |
| 07:25.34 | helix | Bruno_Torres: where in brazil are you? |
| 07:25.36 | c4_ | cafuego: frases that writers say? |
| 07:25.51 | nvz | I think what is wrong here, is I am looking too hard at the definition of assonance. When I should be comparing and contrasting assonance, consonance, and rhyme |
| 07:25.51 | Bruno_Torres | cafuego, uhu....lots of work to do.... |
| 07:25.56 | Linuxs | karsten: ok |
| 07:26.00 | Bruno_Torres | cafuego, so, i'll work... |
| 07:26.08 | Bruno_Torres | helix, Rio de Janeiro |
| 07:26.09 | cafuego | Bruno_Torres: Well, it's only a couple of commands, vs. downlaoding 34Mb of kernel ;-) |
| 07:26.12 | asuffield | nvz: you should definitely be doing something more worthwhile :P |
| 07:26.12 | benjamindees | Linuxs, assuming that is a valid directory... |
| 07:26.19 | Bruno_Torres | cafuego, yeah |
| 07:26.41 | cafuego | Bruno_Torres: And bandwidth sucked in Sao Paulo when iw as there... |
| 07:26.41 | IisHere | bye busy people. |
| 07:26.46 | Linuxs | benjamindees : it is |
| 07:26.46 | nvz | asuffield: hey, I got writing assignments.. if I dont understand this stuff its going to show :P |
| 07:26.56 | Linuxs | benjamindees : valid? |
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| 07:27.05 | benjamindees | Linuxs, *existing* |
| 07:27.06 | cafuego | Awww, Pixel is sleep on an anti-static bag on a DVDRW box. |
| 07:27.11 | aespinoza | hello to everyone |
| 07:27.18 | helix | nvz: what's so confusing about assonance anyway? |
| 07:27.25 | helix | vowel sounds match |
| 07:27.41 | Bruno_Torres | cafuego, i have 256kbps dsl |
| 07:27.50 | Bruno_Torres | not bad |
| 07:28.00 | Bruno_Torres | cafuego, 2.6.11.1, 2.6.10, 2.6.9...it's it? |
| 07:28.12 | cafuego | Bruno_Torres: meh, I was stuck with 33.6 through a PABX in a hotel <heh> |
| 07:28.20 | asuffield | assonance(n): the sound of a donkey |
| 07:28.23 | nvz | helix: the part about the consonants.. I guess the feet/leet/deet/meet are rhymes, and not assonance. which is what I just said.. I guess I should be comparing and contrasting rhyme, assonance, and consonance and it would become more clear to me |
| 07:28.28 | Bruno_Torres | cafuego, too bad... |
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| 07:28.32 | cafuego | Bruno_Torres: stop after 2.6.10, the kernel tree will be 2.6.9 then, which Mendeleth claims works. |
| 07:28.38 | Penix | speaking of dsl; hooray for internode lowering 512/128 to $50 a month. finally within my reach |
| 07:28.46 | Linuxs | karsten, Locale lang=en_US? |
| 07:28.53 | cafuego | Penix: Can I make you angry? |
| 07:29.00 | karsten | Linuxs: Should just be 'locale en_US' |
| 07:29.02 | Bruno_Torres | cafuego, so, i will not apply 2.6.9 patch? |
| 07:29.03 | Penix | cafuego: lemme guess. 1.5mbit? |
| 07:29.04 | *** mode/#Debian [+l 783] by debhelper |
| 07:29.04 | markmrd | karsten: I got the smart_question doc - I have actually spent the whole of today searching on how to get my wireless card working, I came here to try and get the last stage if people can help |
| 07:29.10 | Penix | cafuego: no. wait. adsl2? |
| 07:29.11 | cafuego | Penix: At the moment, yes. |
| 07:29.25 | cafuego | Penix: Q3 2005 |
| 07:29.32 | Penix | cafuego: I hate you |
| 07:29.37 | karsten | Linuxs: Um. Try: LANG=C |
| 07:29.38 | benjamindees | nvz, feet/leet/deet/meet sounds like both to me, but I dunno |
| 07:29.42 | cafuego | Penix: I told the CEO i wanted his baby ;-) |
| 07:29.43 | karsten | Linuxs: ...which defaults to English. |
| 07:29.48 | Penix | cafuego: hehe |
| 07:29.53 | c4_ | i don't understand, i've loged in to wiki debian with only one name that is public, so anyone can change the text? how is that? |
| 07:29.56 | peterS | and then there is alliteration. like the nattering nabob of nvz-ism |
| 07:29.58 | karsten | markmrd: OK, good. Tell us what modules you |
| 07:30.00 | cafuego | Penix: have you tried my internode.php script btw? |
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| 07:30.24 | Linuxs | karsten: ok |
| 07:30.25 | karsten | markmrd: OK, good. Tell us what modules you've got installed, what commands you've run to activate the card, what response you get from that. Any dmesg output. Any ifconfig output. And your route output. |
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| 07:30.30 | Penix | cafuego: not dslified yet |
| 07:30.41 | markmrd | I build and loade dath_pci, it seems to be working because in KWifiManager I can see signal strength which Icouldn't before I installed the module |
| 07:30.42 | karsten | markmrd: ...if you don't grok that yourself, you'll want to paste... |
| 07:30.46 | karsten | ~tell markmrd about paste |
| 07:30.55 | cafuego | Penix: When you do, www.cafuego.net/internode-usage.php |
| 07:30.59 | karsten | markmrd: ...which means to #flood or the paste website deal the bot just told you. |
| 07:31.01 | Mendeleth | cafuego do you think this method could be used to compile a kernel i the Debian way? (make-kpkg... --added-patch...) |
| 07:31.05 | nvz | benjamindees: yeah its got me confused :P thought it doesnt take much to confuse me. Definitions differ, but the most commonly known, seems to say the stressed vowel sounds are the repeated in both words, but the ending consonants are different.. which I guess is the difference between a rhyme and assonance |
| 07:31.09 | karsten | ~tell markmrd about flood |
| 07:31.16 | karsten | markmrd: ...um, the flood one. |
| 07:31.17 | cafuego | Mendeleth: if you need additional patches, sure. |
| 07:31.34 | cafuego | Mendeleth: Just depends on whether those patches require a debian tree or a vanilla one. |
| 07:31.34 | Bruno_Torres | cafuego, tell me, i dont need to apply 2.6.9 patch? |
| 07:32.00 | benjamindees | nvz, ah, that makes sense, the definition I found wasn't that specific :) |
| 07:32.01 | cafuego | Bruno_Torres: No, since you're patching in reverse, you should be on 2.6.9 after you apply 2.6.10 |
| 07:32.01 | Mendeleth | debian tree |
| 07:32.20 | nvz | benjamindees: yeah the one in my book wasnt either.. thats why I have been searching elsewhere. |
| 07:32.28 | Bruno_Torres | sure, cafuego...weird... |
| 07:32.35 | karsten | markmrd: ...and if any of the bits about route / ifconfig / dmesg don't mean anything to you, ask. |
| 07:32.52 | karsten | markmrd: Note that it's a lot harder to diagnose GUI crap over IRC than CLI. |
| 07:33.03 | helix | "he's just. a. KITTEN!" |
| 07:33.17 | Penix | evolution's linewrapping skills need a good spanking |
| 07:33.23 | Penix | evolution in general also needs a good spanking |
| 07:33.36 | asuffield | helix: what's to ponder? |
| 07:33.43 | helix | why they bothered to write it |
| 07:33.44 | cafuego | Penix: it gets worse, the conect menu doesn't have 'mark as read' in 2.2.0 |
| 07:33.49 | cafuego | context menu |
| 07:33.54 | asuffield | it seems kinda normal to me... |
| 07:34.01 | nvz | my mother is a cat hater, these cats arent living very happily around here. my mother hates cats for being cats. |
| 07:34.15 | Penix | cafuego: glad I've stuck with 2.0.x |
| 07:34.19 | cafuego | nvz: jealousy is such an ugly emotion |
| 07:34.38 | cafuego | Penix: Well, it *is* faster then 2.0 on a slowish ppc box |
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| 07:34.51 | asuffield | there's a song in my playlist whose title translates as "I'm a kitten" |
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| 07:35.07 | markmrd | karsten: sorry - how do I paste into #flood ? |
| 07:35.15 | *** part/#debian det (chris@sharkzone.com) |
| 07:35.24 | karsten | markmrd: what's your IRC client? |
| 07:35.24 | helix | asuffield: haha, I want it! |
| 07:35.32 | Linuxs | How do I print out test.txt? |
| 07:35.33 | nvz | I love cats, myself. they are cute, affectionate, and can take care of themself for the most part.. which is as far as I am concerned the best a man can get. |
| 07:35.33 | cafuego | i am kitten, hear me roar / claws are too sharp to ignore ... |
| 07:35.34 | asuffield | helix: it's anime music |
| 07:35.41 | Bruno_Torres | cafuego, what you came to sao paulo for? |
| 07:35.44 | karsten | markmrd: ...and are you IRCing from the box in question? |
| 07:35.45 | markmrd | xchat irc |
| 07:35.46 | helix | asuffield: that's fine |
| 07:35.56 | helix | does that mean it has no lyrics? |
| 07:36.01 | karsten | nvz: Bingo. Someday I'll promote a cat to grilf. |
| 07:36.03 | markmrd | yep |
| 07:36.08 | asuffield | no, it's Nuku Nuku singing |
| 07:36.10 | cafuego | Bruno_Torres: I was helping on a consulting job for Camargo Côrrea |
| 07:36.11 | karsten | markmrd: Should be able to ctrl-v past into it. |
| 07:36.17 | Bruno_Torres | cafuego, nice |
| 07:36.23 | Bruno_Torres | cafuego, liked brazil? |
| 07:36.28 | helix | well, if you don't want to give it to me, just say so :P |
| 07:36.33 | karsten | markmrd: ...and it's a lot easier to catch your posts if you prefix my name (hilighting) |
| 07:36.34 | asuffield | (which, given that she's Megumi H, is rather a good thing) |
| 07:36.40 | cafuego | Bruno_Torres: Indeed. 2 days in the city, 2 days on a farm they owned, after flying there in their learjet. |
| 07:36.43 | asuffield | helix: bah, gimme a minute |
| 07:36.46 | helix | brazil is so cool |
| 07:36.49 | helix | asuffield: thanks :) |
| 07:36.54 | peterS | is it free or non-free? |
| 07:36.56 | markmrd | karsten: ah got you |
| 07:37.06 | Bruno_Torres | helix, our language is very difficult...even for brazilian people... |
| 07:37.10 | cafuego | Bruno_Torres: The countryside looked nice, but the part of SP I was in kind of sucked. supposed to be VERY unsafe at night. |
| 07:37.10 | nvz | cafuego: *shug* she wont let them near the windows, cause she dont want them on top of anything.. she things cats are like diseased or something.. she wont use a spoon to get their food out of a can, cause she thinks there is something in the food that wont wash of or something I guess... |
| 07:37.22 | karsten | markmrd: ...um. I just joined #flood m'self. |
| 07:37.29 | helix | Bruno_Torres: well, it's interesting. way more irregular and complicated than spanish, which is fun |
| 07:37.30 | cafuego | nvz: yeah, "aspic" |
| 07:37.43 | Bruno_Torres | cafuego, yeah...it's one of our biggest problems...security |
| 07:37.46 | karsten | markmrd: Um. *don't* paste all dmesg. Paste the part that's relevant to your WiFI. |
| 07:37.53 | Linuxs | When I choose the printer should it be create a PDF document, generic Postscript or add printer? |
| 07:37.56 | karsten | markmrd: It takes a few minutes for that stuff to scroll by. |
| 07:38.05 | Bruno_Torres | helix, it's very similar to spanish in some constructions |
| 07:38.06 | Penix | stupid free hosting blocking ftp access and trying to make me use a web interface instead. I'll show those generous bastards what I think by boycotting their free service and forgetting about my site in general |
| 07:38.07 | cafuego | Bruno_Torres: I guess flying about in corporate jeys and staying at huge estates isn't a very representative view of brazil, though |
| 07:38.07 | karsten | markmrd: ...your IRC client delays each line by 1-2 seconds. |
| 07:38.14 | Bruno_Torres | helix, whats your native language? |
| 07:38.21 | puppet | Kernel on laptop is a hell :/ |
| 07:38.29 | Bruno_Torres | cafuego, next time, come to rio... |
| 07:38.30 | helix | Bruno_Torres: english |
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| 07:38.38 | karsten | Bruno_Torres: Biting Sarcasm. |
| 07:38.43 | helix | Bruno_Torres: so I have some experience with irregularity :) |
| 07:38.44 | Bruno_Torres | helix, english is pretty easier than portuguese |
| 07:38.47 | Chameleon22 | how come i can run xsane as root and it sees the scanner and all is sweet but i can't do it as a normal user? what groups do i need to add the user to to be able to use scanner as an unprivilaged user and not root? |
| 07:38.55 | Bruno_Torres | karsten, what? |
| 07:38.55 | markmrd | karsten: that was the only bit from dmesg that was relevant, should have only been 10 lines or so |
| 07:39.01 | cafuego | Bruno_Torres: I should have on the sunday I had off. I was horribly jetlagged though <heh> |
| 07:39.03 | puppet | chameleon22: chmod 666 /dev/device |
| 07:39.04 | karsten | markmrd: Paste it again. |
| 07:39.09 | Bruno_Torres | hehe |
| 07:39.21 | puppet | chameleon22: OR |
| 07:39.21 | karsten | Bruno_Torres: Native languages. |
| 07:39.28 | helix | Bruno_Torres: hmm, it may be, if only because there are less words |
| 07:39.33 | Chameleon22 | puppet: or? |
| 07:39.34 | Bruno_Torres | karsten, :) |
| 07:39.37 | nvz | cafuego: I have no idea what that is. :P |
| 07:39.43 | puppet | chameleon22: you can chown it root.root then exec as root, or add a burner group etc |
| 07:39.50 | puppet | chameleon22: alot of solutions dont have commands in head |
| 07:39.53 | Bruno_Torres | cafuego, the patch doesn't change the version number shown in menuconfig |
| 07:40.02 | cafuego | nvz: It's what's left in a can of cat food after you take the meat/fish bits out. |
| 07:40.08 | karsten | markmrd: OK. Low-level card detection is OK. What interfaces do you have? Is there another ethernet NIC? |
| 07:40.18 | nvz | cafuego: the gravy? |
| 07:40.21 | cafuego | Bruno_Torres: That's weird, it should do that. |
| 07:40.23 | Chameleon22 | popey: dev is already 666 |
| 07:40.27 | markmrd | yep I have a normal ethernet network card |
| 07:40.28 | puppet | strange then |
| 07:40.34 | karsten | markmrd: Got the ifconfig stuff. Looks sane. |
| 07:40.37 | Bruno_Torres | cafuego, they applied nicely...no errors |
| 07:40.39 | cafuego | nvz: gelatinised fish gravy, yeah. |
| 07:40.55 | karsten | markmrd: Paste ifconfig for that as well. Plus "route -n" |
| 07:40.56 | Linuxs | My Printer fucking works!!! |
| 07:40.57 | nvz | cafuego: ah.. and this is reason for my mother to act strangly? |
| 07:41.01 | Linuxs | oh yeah!! |
| 07:41.01 | helix | Linuxs: aww yeah |
| 07:41.04 | Chameleon22 | puppet: yeah |
| 07:41.05 | karsten | Linuxs: w00t |
| 07:41.07 | markmrd | karsten: will do |
| 07:41.11 | Linuxs | yeyeyey!!!! |
| 07:41.18 | cafuego | nvz: One word: Texas |
| 07:41.33 | nvz | cafuego: heh, what the hell has Texas got to do with anything :P |
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| 07:41.35 | Linuxs | FInally!!! |
| 07:41.35 | karsten | cafuego: Please don't use obscenities on channel. |
| 07:41.37 | Bruno_Torres | cafuego, i interviewed martin michlmayr for my website brunotorres.net |
| 07:41.54 | cafuego | Bruno_Torres: *nod* i saw. i hope he can get a release out soon. |
| 07:42.26 | Bruno_Torres | cafuego, what does *nod* mean? |
| 07:42.31 | cafuego | nvz: I often ask myself that question; then I watch the news... |
| 07:42.33 | gravity | Ugh... ebay is evil. It's making me want to buy things. |
| 07:42.34 | peterS | Bruno_Torres: means you are agreeing |
| 07:42.41 | helix | Bruno_Torres: "sim" :P |
| 07:42.42 | cafuego | Bruno_Torres: Head movement indicating consent. |
| 07:42.43 | karsten | markmrd: Um. Both your NICs are on the same network. You're not going to be using the wifi nic for anything that way. |
| 07:42.55 | Bruno_Torres | nice |
| 07:42.58 | Bruno_Torres | thx |
| 07:43.07 | Bruno_Torres | my english is too bad? |
| 07:43.08 | cafuego | de nada |
| 07:43.12 | cafuego | Bruno_Torres: Nah ;-) |
| 07:43.18 | Linuxs | thank you cafuego |
| 07:43.20 | Linuxs | ;) |
| 07:43.28 | cafuego | Bruno_Torres: Your english is FAR better then my portugese ;-) |
| 07:43.30 | markmrd | karsten: can you explain a little more - I am not following |
| 07:43.30 | nvz | cafuego: haha. somehow you are remaining within the realm of humor without making any sense what so ever |
| 07:43.39 | cafuego | nvz: it's a skill |
| 07:43.45 | cafuego | nvz: Well, a gift |
| 07:43.57 | Bruno_Torres | cafuego, hehe |
| 07:44.10 | karsten | markmrd: You've got two NICs, ath0 and eth0. Both are on the 192.168.0.0/24 net. Consequence is that all traffic effectively only uses one NIC. |
| 07:44.35 | karsten | markmrd: Not sure what your network topology looks like, but you probably want the WiFi on a different net. Say, 192.168.1.0/24 |
| 07:45.20 | cafuego | And on that note, I think that I should go and feed the cats aspic and have some dinnner myself too |
| 07:45.23 | markmrd | karsten: I thought as long as they both had unique IP addresses on the same network it would be fine? |
| 07:45.34 | cafuego | Mendeleth: Oi! You're up! |
| 07:45.45 | nvz | cafuego: any way you want to see it, I still say my mother terrorizes cats, for doing things that come natural to them. and her views on cats and related cat items, is nothing short of paranoid dillusions. |
| 07:45.49 | Linuxs | Im leaving-- bye |
| 07:45.50 | karsten | markmrd: They're not interfering with one another, but in terms of actually routing traffic, it's sort of a useless configuration. |
| 07:45.55 | benjamindees | there is a way to failover gateways |
| 07:46.03 | karsten | markmrd: It's sort of like having a house with two driveways, both on the same street. |
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| 07:46.29 | markmrd | karsten: ah - okay. So how do I change those values> |
| 07:46.32 | karsten | markmrd: ...if you had two drives, but one connected to, say, the street _behind_ your house, you've got a sensible division of traffic. |
| 07:46.37 | karsten | markmrd: You configure them ;-) |
| 07:46.49 | karsten | markmrd: How are you assigning them? Likely /etc/network/interfaces/ |
| 07:46.52 | karsten | markmrd: How are you assigning them? Likely /etc/network/interfaces |
| 07:47.17 | Mendeleth | cafuego well i think i have to go for some rest... bye everybody! :-) |
| 07:47.32 | karsten | markmrd: If you've got a WiFi access point, it's likely the AP's DHCP config. |
| 07:47.33 | peterS | cafuego: butter? |
| 07:47.41 | karsten | cafuego: better yourself w/ DF than DF with yourself. |
| 07:47.46 | markmrd | karsten: I have pasted into flood |
| 07:47.53 | Bruno_Torres | anyone here tried reiser4? |
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| 07:48.04 | nvz | before I get the urge to do the same, I think I will just go to sleep, and stuff myself with dairy fats in the morning.. well later in the morning. |
| 07:48.19 | markmrd | karsten: I do have a AP I will look how it is configured. |
| 07:48.19 | Bruno_Torres | cafuego, compiling the "new" kernel |
| 07:48.20 | karsten | markmrd: OK. That means your configuration's coming from your DHCP server. Do you have control over it? |
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| 07:48.36 | karsten | markmrd: ...alternatively, you can try taking down eth0 and see if you now have active networking over ath0 |
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| 07:49.06 | nvz | its already 2:30am, and I am obviously bored/lonely/something or I wouldnt still be here |
| 07:49.16 | Bruno_Torres | cafuego, do u use sarge? |
| 07:49.18 | redduck666 | http://www.linuxquestions.org/questions/showthread.php?s=&threadid=300904 <-- my trouble, any help appriciated |
| 07:49.25 | gteppel | It seems like the response time between entering a username and get a password prompt through remote SSH has increased for my Debian server. Are there settings that changes something like this?, what other factors could influence the longer times? Any help would be appreciated! |
| 07:49.42 | markmrd | karsten: I took down eth0 but still nothing over ath0 |
| 07:49.55 | karsten | markmrd: Um. You are or are not IRCing from that box? |
| 07:50.10 | karsten | markmrd: If you downed eth0, then ath0 *is* your network. |
| 07:50.31 | markmrd | karsten: I am but I keep putting the eth0 cable back in to use the internet |
| 07:50.46 | karsten | gteppel: Running sshd through inetd / xinetd will slow things down. As will reverse DNS resolution issues. |
| 07:50.52 | karsten | markmrd: OK. |
| 07:50.58 | benjamindees | gteppel, server load, especially if it's a virtual box |
| 07:51.06 | MobyTurbo | nvz: don't feel bad about it, I view electronic socializing to be as valuable as meat-space socializing. |
| 07:51.11 | gteppel | karsten: ok i'll check those things |
| 07:51.31 | MobyTurbo | nvz: tho it is weird to be up at o-dark-thirty |
| 07:51.47 | nvz | MobyTurbo: hmm. I am not sure I know about that one. |
| 07:51.55 | karsten | markmrd: Basically, from what I see of your config, the network side is sane. Though in 'route -n' output, the GW route (0.0.0.0) should go through ath0 rather than eth0 when eth0 is down. |
| 07:52.32 | karsten | gteppel: You can run 'ssh -v <options>' for verbose diagnostics. Note where the delay takes place. |
| 07:52.32 | MobyTurbo | nvz: well, obviously, you have to have face to face interaction else you'll go bonkers. |
| 07:52.37 | markmrd | karsten: I will try to use static IP addresses not DHCP and see if that makes any differnece |
| 07:52.48 | markmrd | karsten: thanks for the help both network and IRC :-) |
| 07:53.07 | karsten | markmrd: NP. |
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| 07:53.57 | benjamindees | there should be two routes to 192.168.0.0, one for eth0 and one for ath0, but I don't know if that enables failover by itself or not |
| 07:54.23 | Mr_You | Progeny Debian 2.0 DE RC2 is out ;-) |
| 07:54.34 | nvz | MobyTurbo: oh, I've been seeing lots of people now that I am back home.. its just a certain someone I havent found yet thats got me still feeling blue. |
| 07:54.34 | karsten | benjamindees: Nope. |
| 07:54.43 | aespinoza | Mr_You, have you tried it ? |
| 07:54.53 | benjamindees | karsten, which is frustrating, I wonder why not... |
| 07:54.59 | Mr_You | aespinoza: tried RC1, trying RC2 now.. looks good. |
| 07:55.03 | MobyTurbo | nvz: I know the feeling |
| 07:55.17 | Mr_You | aespinoza: basicly a GNOME debian install. |
| 07:55.18 | karsten | benjamindees: The local routes are set up by default. The default route should only exist once. Other special routes can be configured if you've got multiple local-net peering GWs. |
| 07:55.28 | aespinoza | Mr_You, what is the difference to debian ? |
| 07:55.46 | Mr_You | aespinoza: but I'm mainly interested in the componentized linux aspect. |
| 07:55.49 | karsten | benjamindees: ...having two seperate NICs both on the same network is sort of redundant, and generally results in no traffic on one of 'em. |
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| 07:56.09 | Mr_You | aespinoza: hmm.. I dunno.. I haven't looked into debian changes lately... is sarge going to use anaconda? |
| 07:56.10 | aespinoza | Mr_You, is that the same as meta-distro ? |
| 07:56.12 | benjamindees | karsten, yeah, but redundancy is good :) |
| 07:56.16 | karsten | markmrd: You might want to make sure the AP itself is plugged into something in addition to mains power, BTW. |
| 07:56.26 | The_Ball | where is the ctrl-alt-F7,F8 and so on sequence defined, is it possible to alter it? |
| 07:56.34 | karsten | benjamindees: Duplicate redundancy and repetition is good and beneficial. |
| 07:56.35 | brake | xlsfont have a simsun font,but in fonts of mozill i can not find the font of simsun ,why? |
| 07:56.37 | aespinoza | Mr_You, I don't know, but I heard somewhere there was going to be a port for debian. |
| 07:56.44 | karsten | The_Ball: Kernel. |
| 07:56.57 | MobyTurbo | The_Ball: control isn't neccesary unless you're in X (or using Debian/K*BSD :-) ) |
| 07:56.58 | karsten | The_Ball: ...and/or X11. |
| 07:57.03 | Mr_You | aespinoza: yeah progeny ported anaconda. |
| 07:57.20 | benjamindees | karsten, sorry, I don't know what the word "beneficial" means, so I'm ignoring your last comment :) |
| 07:57.24 | peterS | The_Ball: /etc/console/boottime.kmap.gz |
| 07:57.29 | The_Ball | karsten, ok, do you know if it is possible to send a signal to change terminal, so i could press a button in X and change to a different session? |
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| 07:57.34 | peterS | The_Ball: yes, you can alter it |
| 07:57.36 | brake | xlsfont have a simsun font,but in fonts of mozill i can not find the font of simsun ,why? |
| 07:57.38 | aespinoza | Mr_You, ohhh...then probably soon it will be included... |
| 07:57.43 | peterS | The_Ball: you can run the 'chvt' command |
| 07:57.44 | The_Ball | thanks peter |
| 07:57.46 | Mr_You | aespinoza: I guess you could say progeny is a "metadistro", but componentized linux looks at dependency management a little differently.. from what I understand. |
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| 07:58.03 | karsten | The_Ball: man chvt |
| 07:58.05 | aespinoza | Mr_You, Let me check it out... :d |
| 07:58.15 | brake | xlsfont have a simsun font,but in fonts of mozill i can not find the font of simsun ,why? |
| 07:58.17 | karsten | ~shoot benjamindees |
| 07:58.19 | apt | ACTION shoots benjamindees in the eye with a frozen turkey cannon! |
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| 07:59.15 | karsten | Mr_You: Progeny is a Linux company using Debian as a metadistro. Projeny specializes in tailored Debian-based package sets and deployments. |
| 07:59.33 | benjamindees | I wonder if you can bond an ethernet card to a wifi card... |
| 07:59.34 | Mr_You | "Componentized Linux is a new way of constructing Linux distributions, built bottom-up as a set of interchangeable parts that closely track their counterpart "upstream" open-source projects, rather than top-down as a monolithic, difficult-to-change whole. The result is a platform for building specialized Linux distributions that provides developers with a set of reusable building blocks, called components, that can be easily assembled into a wide va |
| 07:59.41 | EvanCarroll | I want to generate a random text file WITHOUT using a scripting language, is there anyway to read from /dev/urandom and save to ascii rather than bin |
| 07:59.54 | Mr_You | karten: yes I am familiar, the founder of progeny created debian. |
| 07:59.58 | EvanCarroll | or to convert random binary into ascii |
| 08:00.18 | karsten | peterS: Woah. I didn't realize the mappings *weren't* hardwired into the kernel itself. |
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| 08:00.27 | MobyTurbo | EvanCarroll: od |
| 08:00.33 | aespinoza | Mr_You, it sound pretty interesting... actually |
| 08:00.35 | karsten | Mr_You: karSten FYI. |
| 08:00.37 | peterS | karsten: indeed, it's just a keymap thing. I'm not sure how you configure it in XFree86, though |
| 08:00.39 | EvanCarroll | MobyTurbo: why is it od =/ |
| 08:00.46 | karsten | Mr_You: ...yeah, isn't his name Ian or something ;-) |
| 08:00.50 | Mr_You | karsten: typo |
| 08:00.59 | karsten | peterS: Hrm. xmodmap? |
| 08:01.03 | peterS | EvanCarroll: 'od' stands for 'octal dump'. it's a utility to do a lot more than just octal dumps |
| 08:01.04 | MobyTurbo | EvanCarroll: "Octal Dump" I think |
| 08:01.14 | EvanCarroll | thanks guys |
| 08:01.18 | EvanCarroll | much apreciated |
| 08:01.26 | peterS | karsten: possibly. I do not know for sure. xmodmap might not be low-level enough |
| 08:01.29 | Mr_You | aespinoza: yeah I think I'm gonna give it a go. |
| 08:01.36 | The_Ball | karsten, chvt 7 from console tty2 works nicely, but not from a console in X a chvt 2 won't do anything, why is that? |
| 08:01.37 | markmrd | karsten: I took the eth0 reference out of the /etc/networking/interfaces file then did a /etc/init.d/networking restart and now I am using my wireless card |
| 08:01.42 | Mr_You | aespinoza: using it as a development platform that is. |
| 08:01.42 | karsten | peterS: keycode 67 = F1 XF86_Switch_VT_1 |
| 08:01.47 | karsten | peterS: xmodmap -pke |
| 08:01.51 | karsten | peterS: ...etc. |
| 08:02.00 | peterS | karsten: ah, right. so it *is* reachable by xmodmap |
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| 08:02.04 | Mr_You | easpinoza: at the very least I could see how much it would cost to hire progeny to do it. |
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| 08:02.18 | karsten | The_Ball: In X, the keybinding is <ctrl>+<alt>+<F[1-6]> |
| 08:02.30 | karsten | The_Ball: ...in console, <ctrl> is not needed (but works anyway). |
| 08:02.43 | karsten | peterS: I learned something. |
| 08:02.47 | peterS | heh, me too |
| 08:02.55 | c4_ | now, if someone came here with an ATI IGP direct rendering soesn't working, send them to search in wiki |
| 08:02.56 | karsten | peterS: Please exercise more caution in future ;-) |
| 08:03.01 | aespinoza | Mr_You, I'm checking it out, just for the fun of it... I have an extra cpu lying around... |
| 08:03.04 | The_Ball | karsten, yes i undestood that, but chvt only works switching from console to X, but not switching from X to console |
| 08:03.09 | Mr_You | I bet progeny could whip out a custom distro in an hour. |
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| 08:03.23 | peterS | karsten: right. must control the rate at which my brain fills up, the excess capacity might have to last me another 60 years |
| 08:03.30 | karsten | The_Ball: chvt must be run as X. You'll need sudo or somewot to run it as a nonprivileged user. |
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| 08:03.57 | aespinoza | Mr_You, yep I bet they could do it really fast.... I don't really understand the point of it, but that is why I'm reading the info on the site. |
| 08:04.02 | The_Ball | karsten, i see |
| 08:04.13 | karsten | The_Ball: man chvt for more info. |
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| 08:04.26 | Mr_You | easpinoza: well its mainly for orgs that want a specific install. |
| 08:04.39 | The_Ball | karsten, yes, i checked the man page, it's very short |
| 08:04.41 | karsten | The_Ball: Think about it: you wouldn't want J Random User on your box arbitrarially switching you out of your X session. Could get annoying. |
| 08:04.45 | cdc | whats the latest version of kernel in Sarge |
| 08:04.52 | peterS | cdc: 2.6.8.1 or so, last I heard |
| 08:04.55 | The_Ball | that's true |
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| 08:05.19 | karsten | The_Ball: Hrm. I think the permissions stem from ownership of /dev/tty* (root.tty) |
| 08:05.20 | cdc | has anything more than 2.6.8-2 moved to sarge? |
| 08:05.31 | markmrd | karsten: sorry to ask you again but can you explain why those two network cards were interfering with eachother. I have a PC with Windows runing and both cards are on the same network and it seems to work fine? |
| 08:05.32 | Mr_You | aespinoza: in my case, I can see me wanting to convert any linux distro to mine ;-) |
| 08:05.36 | peterS | karsten: or possibly /dev/vcs* |
| 08:05.40 | karsten | ~tell cdc about search |
| 08:05.57 | karsten | peterS: man chvt specifies /dev/tty*. May be in error. |
| 08:06.06 | peterS | karsten: no, it's probably right |
| 08:06.31 | karsten | peterS: Your faith is stronger than mine. |
| 08:06.48 | aespinoza | Mr_You, hhehehe well I'm pretty confy with debian unstable at the moment... but it could be fun thing to do.. once I get the general idea on my mind.. :D |
| 08:07.03 | Mr_You | aespinoza: customized is best for flash boot disk which I'd like to try. |
| 08:07.13 | peterS | karsten: linux console ttys are /dev/tty1, /dev/vcs1 and /dev/vcsa1 - for doing different things with them. however, /dev/tty1 probably *is* how you manipulate this stuff |
| 08:07.32 | Mr_You | aespinoza: yeah I'm looking for more of an appliance feature. |
| 08:07.34 | aespinoza | Mr_You, you mean compact flash cards ? |
| 08:07.39 | Mr_You | yeah |
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| 08:08.13 | Mr_You | have the OS boot up mad fast. |
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| 08:08.41 | aespinoza | Mr_You, that is really cool... or maybe do a liveCd distro. I'm seeing a lot of them, for any linux distro, and even for especific needs... one that actually caught my attention was the mono live cd |
| 08:08.48 | Mr_You | I guess with a large flash drive you could use it for swap too. |
| 08:08.51 | aespinoza | Mr_You, you can work on mono on any machine. |
| 08:09.04 | aespinoza | Mr_You, that would be cool.... and fun. |
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| 08:09.10 | cafuego | aespinoza: note quite. |
| 08:09.12 | Mr_You | yeah a livecd would be good for another idea I ahve. |
| 08:09.25 | aespinoza | cafuego, what do you mean ? |
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| 08:09.36 | Mr_You | aespinoza: well I'm mainly interested in a server appliance, but have other ideas for consumer desktops. |
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| 08:09.55 | cafuego | aespinoza: There are no debian amd64 packages for mono, and the bootstrap make target in the source doesn't work. |
| 08:10.04 | aespinoza | Mr_You, cool... |
| 08:10.05 | benjamindees | Mr_You, supposedly flash drives wear out too quickly to be used for swap |
| 08:10.14 | Mr_You | bummer. |
| 08:10.26 | karamelos | from where does debhelper get my user email address? how can edit that source? |
| 08:10.27 | benjamindees | Mr_You, ram is cheap |
| 08:10.36 | cafuego | RAM is cheaper and faster than flash drives anyway |
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| 08:10.47 | Mr_You | yeah but was just thinking out loud. |
| 08:11.06 | cafuego | Even with a flash drive as main disk, you'd still run the whole system off a ramdisk. |
| 08:11.10 | aespinoza | cafe_roy, yeah you are right, ok almost every supported plataform there is. But the point is, I'm trying to move my friends to mono, and tha tlive cd is going to make the transition easier, because they don't have to install linux and everything. |
| 08:11.13 | McQuaid | hello, whats the syntax with dpkg to install 2 pkgs at the same time, as each of them are complaining about the other not being installed |
| 08:11.24 | aespinoza | cafe_roy, sorry.. It was meant for cafuego. |
| 08:11.37 | aespinoza | cafuego, yeah you are right, ok almost every supported plataform there is. But the point is, I'm trying to move my friends to mono, and tha tlive cd is going to make the transition easier, because they don't have to install linux and everything. |
| 08:11.50 | karamelos | McQuaid, just name one after the other |
| 08:11.56 | cafuego | McQuaid: dpkg -i foo.deb foo2.deb |
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| 08:12.07 | McQuaid | ah thx |
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| 08:13.03 | aespinoza | benjamindees, what is the standard life of a compact flash that is used constantly ? |
| 08:13.05 | Mr_You | cafuego: run the whole system off a ramdisk? |
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| 08:13.14 | Mr_You | cafuego: you mean for an appliance? |
| 08:13.34 | cafuego | Mr_You: Yes, Use the flashd rive to store a compressed ramdisk and kernel, use ram to expand ramdisk at runtime. |
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| 08:13.51 | cafuego | Mr_You: if you wanted to keep the flash drive working for over 2 months, yes. |
| 08:14.17 | benjamindees | aespinoza, dunno, I think they have a certain number of writes they are rated for |
| 08:15.06 | aespinoza | benjamindees, I didn't know that. I thought they were pretty durable. |
| 08:15.11 | Mr_You | hmm.. well I'm thinking about just booting the OS off the flash drive while all services (apache, etc.) would be on a HD. |
| 08:15.31 | Mr_You | hmm though I guess if I got a ramdisk of around 64MB it would be worth it. |
| 08:15.32 | cafuego | aespinoza: They were out pretty quick with an OS writing to them up to a couple of times per second. |
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| 08:15.42 | aespinoza | Mr_You, but then what would be the point of using a flash card ? just for faster booting ? |
| 08:15.45 | cafuego | Mr_You: Why bother, use LinuxBios |
| 08:15.52 | Bruno_Torres | cafuego, man, it worked lovely in 2.6.9 |
| 08:15.54 | cafuego | Mr_You: Just flash the kenrel into the bios <heh> |
| 08:15.55 | redduck666 | i would like to install nvidia driver, it comes up with an error saying "no pre-compiled interference matching my kernel found". what packages do ui need to be installed in order to make nvidia driver install smothly? |
| 08:15.58 | benjamindees | aespinoza, of course it's probably something like 10,000 writes, but swap would go through that pretty quickly |
| 08:15.59 | cafuego | Bruno_Torres: Cool :-) |
| 08:16.00 | Bruno_Torres | cafuego, but, there's an issue |
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| 08:16.17 | Mr_You | cafuego: I wish. |
| 08:16.21 | Bruno_Torres | cafuego, i had to edit the Makefile manually to change the version |
| 08:16.22 | aespinoza | cafuego, that is bad... so flash cards are not so good after all, considering all the pros and cons. |
| 08:16.30 | Bruno_Torres | cafuego, but now its working |
| 08:16.43 | Bruno_Torres | cafuego, thanks a lot...now, i'm going to bad |
| 08:16.45 | Bruno_Torres | bye |
| 08:16.54 | cafuego | aespinoza: Well, they're fine for say things like firewalls, that just sit in a curner and don't access a disk in any way. |
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| 08:17.11 | cafuego | Mr_You: The project exists... |
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| 08:17.23 | cafuego | Bruno_Torres: g'night! |
| 08:17.32 | Mr_You | cafuego: I dunno how I would go about it, but I might check it out.. would require LinuxBIOS compatible motherboards and I dunno if you could have enough space for LinuxBIOS+custom kernel. |
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| 08:17.47 | Mr_You | and userland. |
| 08:17.48 | aespinoza | cafuego, so actually Mr_You's idea is not that bad after all. Faster booting through a flash card, and using a decent hard drive for storage. |
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| 08:18.31 | Mr_You | aespinoza: thats generally how they work, the debate is booting from a ramdisk on the card vs booting from a filesystem on the card. |
| 08:18.39 | cafuego | aespinoza: But loading the kernel takes minimal time anyway. |
| 08:19.08 | cafuego | aespinoza: You may as well store a / ramdisk on the hd in that case, lasts much longer and is equially quick. |
| 08:19.09 | aespinoza | Mr_You, and what is the main difference ? |
| 08:19.15 | cafuego | aespinoza: (see initrd) |
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| 08:19.40 | MobyTurbo | Unless you're in certain production environments, I don't see why boot time on Debian is too long. |
| 08:19.52 | Mr_You | aespinoza: number of read/writes to the flash disk... he says the mean time between failures is too low. |
| 08:19.55 | aespinoza | cafuego, let me check what is the difference between a ramdisk and a filesystem, I'm not familiar with the temrm ramdisk. |
| 08:19.57 | MobyTurbo | you don't have to do it often after all |
| 08:20.04 | fusion | Hi, I have discovered a system I have is infected with bindshell - how can I get rid of this? |
| 08:20.11 | Mr_You | aespinoza: ie. disks will fail faster with many read/writes. |
| 08:20.19 | cafuego | MobyTurbo: Well, some people think it's SO long they need bootsplash so they can look at pictures while they wait ;-) |
| 08:20.19 | aespinoza | Mr_You, yep, I meant the difference with the ramdisk and the filsystem as in concept, let me look it up. |
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| 08:20.41 | benjamindees | my understanding is that it's generally writes that are the problem; the number of reads before failure is much much higher |
| 08:20.42 | cafuego | aespinoza: A ramdisk is a filesystem in a partitioned bit of ram. |
| 08:20.48 | Mr_You | aespinoza: ramdisk you read/write to hardware memory... super fast. |
| 08:21.03 | cafuego | aespinoza: is it's EXTREMELY fast. |
| 08:21.06 | MobyTurbo | cafuego: yuck, bootsplash. Another thing to go wrong that subtracts functionality. |
| 08:21.25 | aespinoza | cafuego, ok so that is the same idea as the process done with hibernation on laptops ? |
| 08:21.40 | benjamindees | wasn't there talk of, yeah, hibernation... |
| 08:21.45 | cafuego | aespinoza: Normally a flashc ard system loads a compressed filesystem from the card, expands that into ram,a nd uses that part of ram as the root filesystem. |
| 08:21.58 | aespinoza | cafuego, cool.. I got it.. |
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| 08:22.19 | cafuego | hibernation is the other way around, storing ram on disk...like swap, that's SLOW ;-) |
| 08:22.22 | Zambba | Very many people gets scared of that amount of text which shows up if there isn't bootsplash to cover 'em. :P |
| 08:22.23 | benjamindees | aespinoza, a ramdisk isn't the same as hibernation, it's the same as a hard disk that exists in ram |
| 08:22.24 | fusion | Is bindshell always a rootkit? |
| 08:22.43 | cafuego | Zambba: That's a matter of patching printk() |
| 08:22.48 | aespinoza | cafuego, yep I was completly lost, I read the concept, and I got the idea. |
| 08:23.01 | aespinoza | benjamindees, yep read go tthe concept now. |
| 08:23.17 | benjamindees | but there was talk of a way to use hibernation as a way to skip boot initialization |
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| 08:23.25 | cafuego | dinner is ready, i'm off |
| 08:23.26 | MobyTurbo | cafuego: no need to patch printk() for the kernel messages, just use "quiet" on your kernel command line. |
| 08:23.31 | asdt | how stable is reading from ntfs these days? |
| 08:23.47 | MobyTurbo | asdt: reading is good, writing is bad. |
| 08:23.49 | cafuego | MobyTurbo: bah, inelegent ;-) |
| 08:23.55 | aespinoza | benjamindees, yep I read that somewhere too. |
| 08:24.13 | Mr_You | I actually prefer splash screens with informative messages versus spewing drives messages ;-) |
| 08:24.16 | benjamindees | aespinoza, dunno what came of it, probably quite hardware dependent |
| 08:24.28 | Mr_You | driver. |
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| 08:24.42 | aespinoza | benjamindees, that would actually be that difficult, a lot of work, sure. But the idea doesn't seem to complicated. |
| 08:24.42 | asdt | im mainly concerned with reading, but the last time i used it (admittedly years ago) there was as good a chance of hosing the drive as getting data off of it |
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| 08:25.32 | aespinoza | benjamindees, I meant that wouldn't be that difficult. |
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| 08:26.04 | MobyTurbo | asdt: I think NTFS *reading* is safe now. |
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| 08:26.11 | fusion | Is port sentry likely to give false positives for chkrootkit? |
| 08:26.48 | benjamindees | aespinoza, yeah, the idea is deceptively simple, but probably works great if your hardware supports hibernate |
| 08:27.05 | MobyTurbo | asdt: though it's been a while since I had an NTFS partition |
| 08:27.07 | asdt | thanks, ill give it a try |
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| 08:27.15 | MobyTurbo | dpkg: wb |
| 08:27.15 | dpkg | thanks, mobyturbo. It's good to be back. |
| 08:27.22 | aespinoza | benjamindees, yep that could be the case... but it would be fun. :D |
| 08:27.27 | brak | oh my god! |
| 08:27.45 | brak | i could not find the font of simsun! |
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| 08:28.59 | garage | alguem fala portugues ai ? |
| 08:29.09 | brak | i add a font in my debian,why i could not use it? |
| 08:29.29 | aespinoza | garage, spanish or english..:S |
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| 08:29.59 | aespinoza | brak, are you using a font server or defoma ? |
| 08:30.10 | MobyTurbo | !portuguese |
| 08:30.10 | dpkg | i heard portuguese is the most beautiful idiom of the world, or #debian-br, or por favor use #debian-br para ajuda em portugues. |
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| 08:30.46 | garage | mor or less english && solo un poquito spanish |
| 08:31.04 | aespinoza | garage, try #debian-br |
| 08:31.13 | garage | yo soy brazileiro |
| 08:31.14 | MobyTurbo | you shouldn't use spanish here either. |
| 08:31.21 | garage | how? |
| 08:31.32 | aespinoza | MobyTurbo, I didn't really know that... |
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| 08:31.45 | aespinoza | garage, /join #debian-br |
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| 08:32.23 | MobyTurbo | aespinoza: #debian-es is for spanish. |
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| 08:32.37 | aespinoza | MobyTurbo, yep... thanks for the tip. :D |
| 08:32.39 | garage | i using irc of opera browser you now? |
| 08:32.59 | MobyTurbo | aespinoza: "spinoza" is an interesting name, any relationship to Benedict Spinoza? |
| 08:33.21 | aespinoza | garage, it should be the same. I have never used it, but it should use the same commands |
| 08:33.55 | aespinoza | MobyTurbo, nop. My last name is actually Espinoza, but it is a decendant of Spinoza. I think my last name comes from Portugal; but not sure. |
| 08:34.24 | garage | this brownser is very ... "ruin" sorry my igonorance |
| 08:34.31 | MobyTurbo | aespinoza: Benedict Spinoza was a Dutch Jew, and most of Holland's Jews came from the Portuguese expulsion |
| 08:35.09 | garage | my english is very miss , |
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| 08:35.14 | aespinoza | garage, if you are using debian, try installing/using BitchX or Xchat. But still the one you are using should support that command. |
| 08:35.15 | zeeeee | hi all, does anybody know why man pages always get messed up when viewed over ssh? |
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| 08:35.40 | garage | what this channel |
| 08:35.47 | garage | or chanell |
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| 08:36.05 | yoni | Hello you all ! With sarge i succed and i'm logged on gdm |
| 08:36.23 | aespinoza | MobyTurbo, so I guess I was right. There was also a philosopher named Spinoza it was also from portugal, and that is how I began searching for my last names origins. But didn't find much. |
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| 08:36.29 | garage | i have Xchat mor i don't now using |
| 08:36.45 | aespinoza | garage, instead of writting a message just type: /join #debian-br |
| 08:36.46 | yoni | but, resolution is stuck 640*480 no other choices (i'm noot logged as root) |
| 08:36.50 | aespinoza | garage, that should do it. |
| 08:36.55 | garage | "mor' no is but |
| 08:36.58 | MobyTurbo | aespinoza: that's Benedict Spinoza, he was a philosopher. |
| 08:37.24 | karsten | yoni: You can reconfigure X w/: dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xfree86 |
| 08:37.54 | karsten | yoni: ...try increasing your resolution. Note that having the right X driver selected will help. |
| 08:38.07 | karsten | zeeeee: terminal settings. What OS on local/remote session? |
| 08:38.08 | yoni | karsten, i should logg as root on terminal and enter this cmd ? |
| 08:38.14 | karsten | zeeeee: ....and what's your $TERM setting. |
| 08:38.18 | aespinoza | MobyTurbo, hahahah damn. I didn't actually knew his name, just the last name. I have read some writings of his. I think he was a follower of Soren Kierkegaard |
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| 08:38.33 | karsten | yoni: su or sudo. sudo preferred. 'sudo dpkg-reconfigure ...' |
| 08:38.42 | pw | karsten: did you get sorted with the IWE archive? |
| 08:38.49 | lakbu | lo |
| 08:38.51 | yoni | karsten, ok |
| 08:38.55 | MobyTurbo | aespinoza: no, he wasn't a follower of Kierkegaard - he lived a century or two earlier |
| 08:39.09 | yoni | Karsten, do you think first is to check about the proper driver ? |
| 08:39.13 | aespinoza | MobyTurbo, then I am completly off...:( |
| 08:39.16 | peterS | philosophers have the coolest names. and Kierkegaard is foremost among them. |
| 08:39.17 | karsten | pw: Think so. |
| 08:39.18 | lakbu | has anyone here successfully configured X with S3 ProSavage DDR with debian 3.0 r4? |
| 08:39.19 | zeeeee | karsten: i am using rxvt on cygwin, and i see screwed up man pages on the remote linux host. i tried setting TERM=rxvt and TERM=xterm, to no avail |
| 08:39.22 | MobyTurbo | aespinoza: Spinoza was pantheist and not particularly existentialistic from what little I know of him. |
| 08:39.23 | peterS | I know, that's a very sophisticated opinion |
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| 08:39.25 | karsten | yoni: lspci | grep -i vga |
| 08:39.30 | zeeeee | (remote is debian) |
| 08:39.38 | MobyTurbo | I love Kierkegaard. |
| 08:39.39 | karsten | yoni: Google that + 'linux' or 'xfree86' for options. |
| 08:39.55 | yoni | ok, i'm on it |
| 08:39.58 | aespinoza | MobyTurbo, yep, I'm reading his biography .. |
| 08:40.05 | karsten | zeeeee: How are your manpages messed up? Try 'vt100' or 'vt102' as basic term values. |
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| 08:40.10 | lakbu | has anyone here successfully configured X with S3 ProSavage DDR with debian 3.0 r4? |
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| 08:40.48 | zeeeee | karsten: ok let me try that. i'm not sure, they just run beyond the end of the screen and wrap around; they produce strange-looking characters; and finding doesn't work (it's always off) |
| 08:40.50 | MobyTurbo | aespinoza: Kierkegaard was excellent at beating philosophy at it's own game. |
| 08:40.57 | aespinoza | MobyTurbo, yep, you are right, I'm way off... |
| 08:41.15 | zeeeee | karsten: ok, vt100 and vt102 produce the exact same results |
| 08:41.16 | karsten | zeeeee: Hrm. Is your term width 80 chars? |
| 08:41.25 | karsten | zeeeee: exact same == broken? |
| 08:41.28 | aespinoza | MobyTurbo, I don't much about philosohy, I have read some writtings, but not many. |
| 08:41.32 | zeeeee | karsten: broken |
| 08:41.36 | benjamindees | lakbu, I know my savage board requires the s3switch utility to function |
| 08:41.41 | zeeeee | karsten: yes, my term width is 80 chars |
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| 08:41.57 | MobyTurbo | aespinoza: I'm more familiar with the existentialists than anything else. |
| 08:41.58 | aespinoza | MobyTurbo, I know Spinoza, mostly because is the only important person to use the last name, at least what I found at the time. |
| 08:42.00 | zeeeee | karsten: all other apps work just fine, and i've been using 'em for a long time ... screen, vim, emacs, etc. |
| 08:42.08 | karsten | zeeeee: 'q' to quit out of man. 'reset; export TERM=vt102; man bash' |
| 08:42.25 | aespinoza | MobyTurbo, so what is your favorite existentialist ? |
| 08:42.36 | karsten | zeeeee: OK. Note that 'screen' supplies its own term type as well. What SSH client? cygwin's or PuTTY? |
| 08:42.52 | zeeeee | karsten: cygwin's |
| 08:42.53 | PerfDave | zeeeee: It's possibly that "man" is using cached manpages which break on different sizes and styles of terminal. I think you can dpkg-reconfigure the manpage package not to cache things. |
| 08:42.56 | aespinoza | MobyTurbo, Sartre is the only one I remember, and I'm not actually sure he was an existentialist. |
| 08:42.58 | MobyTurbo | aespinoza: Kierkegaard undoubtedly. I like Camus OK though. I consider Sartre to be over-rated, especially as an author of plays. |
| 08:43.18 | llama32 | anyone have some tips as to the fastest way to un-obviously (as in no just wiping the whole hd) kill macosx, just ehh out of interest of course |
| 08:43.23 | MobyTurbo | aespinoza: Sartre was an existentialist, he was the only one to actually call himself that. |
| 08:43.43 | aespinoza | MobyTurbo, I know Camus, I loved his book L'etranger |
| 08:43.55 | karsten | zeeeee: Dig. Not sure. |
| 08:43.57 | MobyTurbo | aespinoza: that's the novel I read by him. |
| 08:44.03 | benjamindees | Kafka was another with a cool name :) |
| 08:44.12 | MobyTurbo | aespinoza: excellent, though a bit depressing. |
| 08:44.12 | peterS | benjamindees: oh, for sure |
| 08:44.26 | karsten | PerfDave: IIRC man won't use cached pages if you re-size the terminal. It caches to 80 chars, typically. |
| 08:44.29 | benjamindees | :) |
| 08:44.35 | aespinoza | MobyTurbo, so is the philosophy community just like the hacker community ? I mean in the way that you are only accepted as a hacker if your peers think so ? |
| 08:44.44 | MobyTurbo | benjamindees: I love Kafka too, he's not really an existentialist though. He's very original, clinical fantasiticism. |
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| 08:44.59 | MobyTurbo | aespinoza: I don't know because I am not a philosopher. |
| 08:45.52 | PerfDave | karsten: I was under the impression that it served cached pages which displayed incorrectly. |
| 08:45.54 | aespinoza | MobyTurbo, it is quite depressing. But I think the writter that does a better way of depressing people is Benedetti. Have you read anything by him ? He is not a philosopher, more of a novelist. |
| 08:45.55 | briareus | aespinoza> sort of, but philosophers sometimes arent recognized til after death |
| 08:46.09 | aespinoza | briareus, so they are more like artists. |
| 08:46.18 | MobyTurbo | aespinoza: I've never heard of Benedetti. |
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| 08:46.31 | aespinoza | briareus, or painters especifically. |
| 08:46.42 | Fade_To_Black | hi |
| 08:46.51 | briareus | somewhat, in that you have to be a scholar, so you are creating works |
| 08:46.57 | aespinoza | MobyTurbo, He is really good. |
| 08:46.58 | MobyTurbo | aespinoza: not neccesarily, philosophers who are also professors are often recognized during their life. Kierkegaard however was mostly recognized after his death. |
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| 08:47.42 | MobyTurbo | aespinoza: do you know if he is available in English? My Spanish is not as good as it should be. |
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| 08:47.47 | Fade_To_Black | can anyone help me? I'm trying to run my Nvidia 5600 XT graphics card in XServer. It works, but just with the standard nv driver, so I can't get it into 3D |
| 08:48.02 | Fade_To_Black | and since I'm new to linux I don't know where to start |
| 08:48.18 | aespinoza | MobyTurbo, there are exceptions as always, for example picasso lived a very great life and it was recognized as a great artist during his life. |
| 08:48.31 | Fade_To_Black | btw I'm running libranet, but i thought it has the same engine kinda, right? |
| 08:48.37 | MobyTurbo | aespinoza: Camus was definitely recognized, he got a Nobel Prize. |
| 08:48.37 | PerfDave | Fade_To_Black: #libranet |
| 08:48.42 | Fade_To_Black | k |
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| 08:48.58 | PerfDave | Fade_To_Black: Libranet is not Debian. It does not work in the same way as Debian. Debian solutions will quite probably not work on Libranet. |
| 08:49.04 | benjamindees | has anybody used the badblocks patch with a newer kernel, like 2.4.27? |
| 08:49.06 | PerfDave | !libranet |
| 08:49.06 | dpkg | somebody said libranet was a Debian based distribution that includes many enhancements such as: updated packages, including GNOME, KDE, XFree86, reiserfs, etc., a fast, easy install and, a preconfigured desktop. More information at the Libranet homepage: http://libranet.com, or non-free; read the license on their CD images carefully (if you think it's GPL, you're reading the wrong thing), or there is/was a channel #libranet, but it may be dead |
| 08:49.54 | aespinoza | MobyTurbo, so was Sartre, in fact I think of Sartre much on the way of Picasso. Of course there is a major difference, Picasso is considered to be one the ost know painters. |
| 08:49.56 | MobyTurbo | PerfDave: so much for "libra" |
| 08:50.29 | MobyTurbo | aespinoza: the French are good at recognizing their philosophers. |
| 08:50.32 | aespinoza | MobyTurbo, but still, I think both enjoyed the recognition of their art, to points where othere artists before them couldn't. |
| 08:50.56 | yoni | karsten, pm plz |
| 08:51.12 | karsten | yoni: Sec. |
| 08:51.15 | yoni | sure |
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| 08:52.16 | yoni | damned, i got no network spare here so my debian computer is not connected (i'm typing from a pc windows XP), can i plug a second network card to my allready connected computer and then link the second card to my debian unit to make it connected on the net ? |
| 08:52.17 | MobyTurbo | aespinoza: I don't really consider Satre an artist, he's a philosopher who used fiction as a medium. |
| 08:52.29 | karsten | yoni: PC-to-PC ethernet requires either a hub or crossover cable. |
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| 08:52.48 | MobyTurbo | aespinoza: I consider Camus a novelist though, he's more subtle. |
| 08:52.53 | aespinoza | MobyTurbo, well that may be true. But there are some exceptions, like descartes. He was not recognized before death. I don't know about his math works, but the philosophical ones where not accepted until after dead. |
| 08:52.58 | karsten | yoni: crossover (Xover) cable is just a standard cat5 with two of its wires switched. You can wire it up yourself or buy 'em. |
| 08:53.12 | yoni | i got a cross-over right under my eyes :) question is ; network is under dhcp, i have to configure something on the xp ? |
| 08:53.17 | aespinoza | MobyTurbo, well, I do. It it is art after all. I mean maybe not many people agreed with him, but it was still art. |
| 08:53.24 | MobyTurbo | aespinoza: Descartes is often known as the first modern philosopher. |
| 08:53.32 | karsten | yoni: vi /etc/network/interfaces. |
| 08:53.47 | aespinoza | MobyTurbo, yep, but it was sent to jail when he spoke of his ideas. |
| 08:53.48 | karsten | yoni: There are example configs in /usr/share/doc/ifupdown/examples/ |
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| 08:54.15 | karsten | yoni: Basically: key in your preferred configuration (IP, network, netmask, broadcast). |
| 08:54.21 | cdc | has anyone seen the movie Revolution OS? |
| 08:54.27 | cdc | i heard its a free download |
| 08:54.28 | cdc | is it ? |
| 08:54.31 | aespinoza | MobyTurbo, so why do you like Soren Kierkegaard ? |
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| 08:54.39 | karsten | yoni: You'll also have to supply a default route, and probably add nameservers to /etc/resolv.conf |
| 08:54.45 | MobyTurbo | aespinoza: it isn't a matter of agreement - I don't consider Sartre's plays to be subtle enough about his philosophy. But that's a matter of esthetics and hence a matter of opinion until a philosopher can come up with a coherant esthetics. ;-) |
| 08:54.45 | cdc | if so could anyone let me know the url |
| 08:55.03 | karsten | cdc: I've seen it. I believe it was freely available per the producer, not sure what the distributors' take on that was. |
| 08:55.23 | MobyTurbo | aespinoza: Kierkegaard's playfulness and his sense of humor, as well as his ideas which I like as well. |
| 08:55.31 | alfadir | cdc: use google.com http://www.revolution-os.com/ :P |
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| 08:55.40 | aespinoza | MobyTurbo, I think is art even if it is not coherant. That is what is great about art I think. |
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| 08:56.00 | karsten | yoni: Sleeptime here. |
| 08:56.06 | yoni | k, reboot and i hope i get back soon ! :) |
| 08:56.16 | cdc | karsten, ppl say it can be downloaded using bittorrent i have not used Bittorrent could you pls guide me in setting up that? |
| 08:56.17 | yoni | lol... israel morning ! :) |
| 08:56.21 | cdc | how do i do that? |
| 08:56.30 | MobyTurbo | aespinoza: esthetics is not coherant yet, because art is not coherant - I agree with you on that. |
| 08:56.34 | aespinoza | MobyTurbo, you know I'm going to read more about Kierkegaard. I have been reading so much aboust technology, that I have almost forgot all I learned about art during my college years. |
| 08:56.46 | karsten-sleep | yoni: Just before 1am here. |
| 08:57.18 | MobyTurbo | aespinoza: I read a lot of computer stuff too, it's been a while since I read Kierkegaard. |
| 08:57.22 | aespinoza | MobyTurbo, it is a difficult matter talking about art, and even define it. But it is fun. |
| 08:57.39 | peterS | this is also a perfect channel for it |
| 08:57.40 | yoni | ^^ |
| 08:57.48 | yoni | bye for a few minutes ! :) |
| 08:58.01 | MobyTurbo | yoni: shalom |
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| 08:58.07 | alfadir | cdc: buy the DVD and support the producers |
| 08:58.13 | aespinoza | MobyTurbo, you should read Benedetti, ig you find something of his, anything. It is great. |
| 08:58.24 | MobyTurbo | peterS: sorry. :-P |
| 08:58.38 | aespinoza | MobyTurbo, I have to go. But it was really nice talking with you. |
| 08:58.42 | MobyTurbo | aespinoza: I'll try to remember. |
| 08:58.43 | peterS | MobyTurbo: oh, it doesn't really *bother* me. this is about the least busy time of week for #debian |
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| 08:59.04 | peterS | MobyTurbo: throwing all this art / philosophy stuff in in the middle of busy tech support times would annoy me a bit more |
| 08:59.09 | alfadir | cdc: there is a trailer at http://www.ifilm.com/ifilm/product/film_multimedia/0,4470,2419320,00.html but it is not free. |
| 08:59.17 | MobyTurbo | peterS: don't worry, it will get busy later. |
| 08:59.36 | MobyTurbo | peterS: OK |
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| 09:00.10 | peterS | MobyTurbo: really, Saturday night / Sunday morning is the quietest this channel ever gets. that, or Friday night/Saturday morning. midnightish in various bits of the US |
| 09:00.18 | peterS | MobyTurbo: not that I have bar graphs or anything, I've just sort of noticed |
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| 09:01.03 | MobyTurbo | peterS: yep, only 700-odd people in it. |
| 09:01.27 | peterS | nothin' wrong with Mencken |
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| 09:04.35 | tcp|p | whats the easiest way to install java runtime in mozilla? |
| 09:04.56 | tcp|p | should I be asking here or should I look for help from the mozilla community? |
| 09:05.02 | PerfDave | tcp|p: /msg dpkg mozilla java |
| 09:05.11 | MobyTurbo | tcp|p: /msg dpkg java |
| 09:05.12 | cdc | i want to get the latest torrent file how do i get it |
| 09:05.12 | cdc | ? |
| 09:05.25 | cdc | has debian changed the names of the files? |
| 09:05.36 | PerfDave | cdc: *what* latest torrent file? |
| 09:05.50 | cdc | PerfDave, yes |
| 09:06.02 | PerfDave | cdc: What are you trying to download? |
| 09:06.31 | tcp|p | i'm using firefox, is that the same install directory as mozilla or no? |
| 09:06.46 | cdc | a movie video |
| 09:06.59 | PerfDave | cdc: What's that got to do with Debian? |
| 09:07.43 | benjamindees | so, if the kernel-patch-badram package only includes patches for kernels up to 2.4.23, and not, say 2.4.27, is that a bug? |
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| 09:10.07 | MobyTurbo | benjamindees: well, maybe you could file it as a wishlist bug |
| 09:11.01 | tcp|p | MobyTurbo: any idea about my last question? thats the only thing holding me back |
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| 09:11.29 | benjamindees | that would be sad if badram was never put into the vanilla kernel :( |
| 09:11.51 | MobyTurbo | tcp|p: if it isn't the same as mozilla it will be somewhere in the /usr/lib heirarchy |
| 09:12.22 | PerfDave | tcp|p: dpkg -L mozilla-firefox |
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| 09:13.12 | tcp|p | ok |
| 09:13.16 | tcp|p | found it |
| 09:13.19 | tcp|p | thank you |
| 09:13.25 | MobyTurbo | np |
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| 09:14.54 | Apachez | "Client does not support authentication protocol requested by server; consider upgrading MySQL client" anyone who have had this error with mysql 4.1 (installed through apt-get) and debian sarge ? somehow it seems like DBD is malfunctioning |
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| 09:15.21 | Apachez | but i have already latest DBI and DBD |
| 09:15.22 | benjamindees | hmm, badmem looks more promising |
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| 09:15.50 | Apachez | but when trying to compile DBD i get errors in Makefile.pl pointing out that binary file "mysql_config" is missing |
| 09:16.22 | PerfDave | Apachez: Check the BTS, it's a known bug |
| 09:16.28 | Apachez | BTS ? |
| 09:16.34 | nextime | Apachez : edit my.cnf a check that you have old-passwords = 1 in [mysql_safe |
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| 09:16.35 | nextime | ] |
| 09:16.36 | peterS | Apachez: http://bugs.debian.org |
| 09:16.36 | PerfDave | Apachez: And you shouldn't be hand-compiling Perl modules on Debian. |
| 09:16.37 | Apachez | got a link or something ? :P |
| 09:16.46 | Apachez | PerfDave: well i used apt-get |
| 09:16.46 | PerfDave | Apachez: /msg dpkg bts |
| 09:16.56 | Apachez | it always works when i hand compile |
| 09:17.07 | Apachez | but now i wanted to give apt-get a shoot... but of course murphys law strikes |
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| 09:17.32 | Apachez | nextime: that sounds like a bad workaround ? |
| 09:17.34 | PerfDave | Apachez: Uhm, no, it doesn't. It *seems* to work, but it overwrites apt files with hand-compiled ones which works until it doesn't and then your system is fucked. |
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| 09:18.23 | Apachez | but this seems like a bug that debian is excluding vital binaries from the mysql distro |
| 09:18.28 | Apachez | Debian Bug report logs: package mysql_config |
| 09:18.29 | Apachez | There is no record of the mysql_config package, and no bugs have been filed against it. |
| 09:18.30 | Apachez | :/ |
| 09:18.44 | PerfDave | Apachez: If it's a bug, it'll be in the BTS :) |
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| 09:19.04 | PerfDave | Apachez: You seem to be confused between "a binary" and "a package", I suggest you read some newbie documentation. |
| 09:19.20 | peterS | Apachez: mysql_config isn't a separate package, it'll be part of some other package. 'dpkg -S mysql_config' for details |
| 09:19.48 | Apachez | dpkg: *mysql_config* not found. |
| 09:19.52 | Apachez | hmpf :( |
| 09:20.02 | peterS | Apachez: where did you get the idea for 'mysql_config' as a name, then? |
| 09:20.10 | Apachez | i see that i have both libmysqlclient12 AND libmysqlclient14 installed |
| 09:20.17 | Apachez | can they be in conflict of each other somehow ? |
| 09:20.31 | peterS | no, libmysqlclient12 and libmysqlclient14 don't conflict |
| 09:20.36 | peterS | apps use whichever one they were compiled to use |
| 09:20.46 | Apachez | peterS: when looking in DBD -> Makefile.pl... it fails to compile on row 174... row 174 has a reference to "mysql_config" |
| 09:21.07 | Apachez | and mysql_config is missing in the apt-get distro |
| 09:21.18 | peterS | Apachez: oh, that'll be a perl subroutine inside DBD or something. it's not a package. |
| 09:21.31 | PerfDave | Apachez: Well, you shouldn't be hand-compiling DBD anyway |
| 09:21.43 | Apachez | well im open for all suggestions :) |
| 09:21.57 | PerfDave | Apachez: Read the BTS? |
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| 09:22.06 | Apachez | yeah the bts is slow |
| 09:22.10 | Apachez | brb |
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| 09:22.19 | peterS | Apachez: to compile DBD with mysql support, you need to install libmysqlclient12-dev among other things |
| 09:22.30 | PerfDave | Apachez: Well, that's not our problem. You've been told where to get the information you need to solve your problem. |
| 09:22.31 | peterS | Apachez: 'apt-get build-dep libdbd-mysql-perl' if you want to automate this |
| 09:22.44 | PerfDave | peterS: But you still shouldn't be hand-compiling Perl modules on Debian. |
| 09:23.20 | peterS | PerfDave: no, you shouldn't. however, he can't get the debian packages to work. if he *can* make it work after hand-compiling something, that's part of the process of tracking down what's going wrong |
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| 09:24.12 | PerfDave | peterS: It's a pretty drastic "solution" to his problem, which is AFAIK a known issue with a solution on the BTS. Breaking his system with a hand-compile isn't really going to make anything better. |
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| 09:25.24 | ikaro | mojn |
| 09:25.31 | usn | good morning |
| 09:25.46 | Apachez | perhaps you have a more direct link since i cant find anything in bts regadring this matter |
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| 09:25.53 | eddyp | is gnome broken? |
| 09:27.00 | Agrajag- | hey all.. my loads have been higher than normal recently, 'top' doesn't show much using the cpu though - different processes seems to intermitently jump to a higher CPU usage sometimes. is there some other tool which can monitor over a certain amount of time or something and give cpu usage reports? |
| 09:27.23 | PerfDave | Apachez: Sorry, I don't use MySQL. |
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| 09:29.37 | cdc | !list |
| 09:29.37 | dpkg | one warez list being sent |
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| 09:30.38 | nevyn | heh |
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| 09:31.10 | nevyn | cdc: find what you're looking for? |
| 09:31.35 | Apachez | how do i remove a package without removing the dependencies ? |
| 09:31.42 | PerfDave | Apachez: You can't. |
| 09:31.52 | Apachez | gah |
| 09:31.59 | PerfDave | Apachez: What are you trying to do? |
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| 09:32.15 | Apachez | well... i have both libmysqlclient12 and 14 installed |
| 09:32.23 | Apachez | i only need 14 since the server is mysql 4.1 |
| 09:32.24 | Apachez | not 4.0 |
| 09:32.27 | ningo | dpkg, fuckoff! |
| 09:32.27 | dpkg | yes master, I'm a poor peasant freak and I'll just scurry away and die now. |
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| 09:32.49 | ningo | hehelol, that actually works |
| 09:32.51 | PerfDave | Apachez: Some packages will depend on -12 |
| 09:32.57 | Apachez | gah |
| 09:33.14 | PerfDave | Apachez: "apt-cache rdepends libmysqlclient12" |
| 09:33.25 | dravey_ | hmm, libapache2-request-perl was updated at the upstream in august. Still nothing in unstable :-/ |
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| 09:34.43 | Apachez | http://www.sqlpaste.com/?466 theres my output of dpkg -l | grep mysql |
| 09:36.10 | paster | "Paster-Tester" at 194.251.240.116 pasted "Lorem ipsum" (1 line) at http://channels.debian.net/paste/342 |
| 09:36.18 | PerfDave | Apachez: COLUMNS=200 dpkg -l '*mysql*' |
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| 09:36.25 | PerfDave | Apachez: Though I don't see why this output is useful. |
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| 09:39.01 | PerfDave | dravey_: E-mail the package maintainer? Check QA? |
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| 09:39.22 | dalecp | hi, ppl! anoyone has idea about installing vmware on debian? |
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| 09:40.33 | PerfDave | dravey_: http://bugs.debian.org/cgi-bin/bugreport.cgi?bug=293099 is in the BTS |
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| 09:41.53 | brak | how to install a software version? |
| 09:42.04 | dalecp | yeap |
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| 09:42.29 | brak | apt-get install fcitx will install fcitx-3.0,but i want a fcitx3.1, |
| 09:42.44 | PerfDave | brak: What version of Debian are you using? |
| 09:43.00 | absence | where do i change the $PATH in debian? i've tried /etc/profile and /etc/login.defs, but neither worked |
| 09:43.06 | brak | can you help me?thanks! |
| 09:43.10 | PerfDave | brak: What version of Debian are you using? |
| 09:43.18 | dravey_ | PerfDave: ooh, cheers |
| 09:43.21 | PerfDave | absence: Where do you want this change to be visible? |
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| 09:44.01 | brak | have no person? |
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| 09:44.11 | absence | PerfDave, for all users, be it in gnome-terminal windows, after logging in remotely with ssh, at the text-mode console, etc |
| 09:44.20 | PerfDave | brak: IF YOU TELL ME WHAT FUCKING VERSION OF DEBIAN YOU ARE USING I MAY BE ABLE TO HELP YOU |
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| 09:44.45 | PerfDave | absence: /etc/profile would seem to be the "correct" place, at least for the latter two. I have NFI what gnome-terminal does. |
| 09:44.52 | debiantonio | 8/ |
| 09:45.02 | brak | sarge |
| 09:45.15 | Humanoid | Is it possible to create an sftp upload-only account with openSSH? I'm looking at all the options, and it looks like I can't do that. |
| 09:45.30 | brak | perfdave :sarge |
| 09:45.38 | Humanoid | Or even just a sftp account which doesn't permit actual shell logins. |
| 09:45.41 | PerfDave | brak: 3.1 isn't in Debian yet. |
| 09:45.42 | fusion | upload only as in no downloads or upload only as in no ssh login? |
| 09:45.54 | Humanoid | fusion: either one is good enough. |
| 09:45.57 | fusion | ah just set their shell to /bin/false |
| 09:45.59 | brak | what can i do? |
| 09:46.03 | PerfDave | brak: Wait |
| 09:46.07 | Humanoid | fusion: Ah yes, thanks! |
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| 09:46.09 | brak | ok. |
| 09:46.10 | PerfDave | fusion: apt-cache show scponly |
| 09:46.11 | fusion | np :) |
| 09:46.19 | PerfDave | Humanoid: apt-cache show scponly |
| 09:46.24 | absence | PerfDave, okay, i'll ask the gnome guys |
| 09:46.25 | absence | thanks |
| 09:47.45 | yoni | hello i somehow manage to connect my debian instead of my xp computer... but with resolution i'm still stuck with 640*480 low |
| 09:48.18 | MobyTurbo | yoni: do you know what video card you have? |
| 09:48.36 | simonrvn | your computer isn't xp (unless athlon ;p) it *runs* xp. big difference between the os and the h/w it's on |
| 09:48.55 | yoni | lspci says : 000:00:02.0 VGA compatible controller: Intel Corp. 82845G/GL[Brookdale-G]/GE Chipset Integrated Graphics Device (rev 03) |
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| 09:49.13 | Humanoid | PerfDave: Thanks, I will try that. |
| 09:49.39 | brak | ok? |
| 09:50.03 | simonrvn | wow, that's so descriptive |
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| 09:50.05 | MobyTurbo | yoni: I'm not familiar with what device name X gives for intel controllers. |
| 09:50.25 | simonrvn | /usr/share/misc/pciids.txt or such should give a clue |
| 09:50.30 | yoni | Moby, meanwhile i found this : http://www.video-drivers.com/companies/496.htm |
| 09:50.37 | yoni | but not sure what to do |
| 09:50.38 | amxdesign | hi guys, could use some help.. my system is reporting files in lost+found.. I dont think they're anything useful, how do I remove them? |
| 09:51.05 | simonrvn | amxdesign: um, look at them first. they were put there by fsck |
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| 09:51.12 | amxdesign | ok |
| 09:51.17 | MobyTurbo | yoni: first try getting X's own drivers to run your card. |
| 09:51.34 | MobyTurbo | yoni: check out the file simonrvn suggested |
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| 09:52.15 | trueno | Hi! Is it posible to use john the ripper against my win 2003 passwords? |
| 09:52.24 | amxdesign | simonrvn: they're postfix related..one is postdrop |
| 09:52.37 | brak | apt-get install fcitx will install fcitx-3.0,but i want a fcitx3.1, |
| 09:52.38 | amxdesign | simonrvn: not sure what else to do |
| 09:52.48 | brak | can you help me?thanks! |
| 09:53.05 | simonrvn | also the FCC id# should give more clue (if they bothered putting one for the onboard video). though even if that doesn't pan out, you can still check the fcc id for the mobo, and go from there |
| 09:53.12 | Apachez | how do i find out which DBD version is being used ? |
| 09:53.29 | Apachez | print DBI->version; didnt seem to be correct :P |
| 09:53.31 | simonrvn | amxdesign: um, re-install them maybe? you mean the binaries themselves? |
| 09:54.05 | amxdesign | simonrvn: i dont know what they are, the filenames are non-descriptive, just a bunch of numbers proceeded by #. my postfix is running fine tho |
| 09:54.10 | yoni | simonrvn, i have done vi /usr/share/miscpciids.txt ... the file is empty |
| 09:54.26 | simonrvn | um get the file name correct |
| 09:54.35 | amxdesign | simonrvn: how? |
| 09:54.49 | simonrvn | pci.ids |
| 09:55.37 | simonrvn | yoni: ever used ls? try it some time |
| 09:55.37 | MobyTurbo | yoni: tab-completion helps in getting files right (and IRC nicks with some clients) |
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| 09:55.47 | yoni | oh srry my mstake |
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| 09:57.10 | amxdesign | simonrvn: no data has been lost and no programs are having probs, so it's safe to remove those files eh |
| 09:57.11 | simonrvn | use less or some other pager, at least it'll puke if you get the name wrong |
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| 09:57.20 | simonrvn | amxdesign: looks like it |
| 09:57.32 | amxdesign | simonrvn: but they cant be removed using rm -rf, so? |
| 09:57.52 | amxdesign | i must mv them out first? |
| 09:57.55 | absence | does anyone know where gdm gets the $PATH from when a user is logging in? |
| 09:58.00 | yoni | tks guys... frankly without a mouse i'm lost ! :) |
| 09:58.02 | simonrvn | don't use rm -rf unless you have to. no, you can remove them |
| 09:58.10 | amxdesign | how? |
| 09:58.16 | yoni | (how do i exit from vi ? :)) |
| 09:58.17 | simonrvn | check the file perms... |
| 09:58.35 | MobyTurbo | yoni: esc :q! |
| 09:58.53 | Apachez | weee working... |
| 09:58.58 | yoni | tks |
| 09:59.00 | simonrvn | don't you people have basic *nix skills? |
| 09:59.16 | Apachez | seems like im forced to use old_password() in mysql 4.1 in debian when using debians own packages |
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| 09:59.43 | amxdesign | simonrvn: it's weird, no command will work on these files.. just says "missing argument" |
| 09:59.54 | simonrvn | tab complete them |
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| 09:59.59 | amxdesign | how? |
| 10:00.14 | amxdesign | magnia:/lost+found# rm #62732 |
| 10:00.14 | amxdesign | rm: too few arguments |
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| 10:00.21 | simonrvn | using the tab key... |
| 10:00.26 | yoni | arf, ok i'm on pci.ids, what should i check ? |
| 10:00.27 | amxdesign | ok |
| 10:00.29 | simonrvn | \#XXXX |
| 10:00.49 | MobyTurbo | amxdesign: you know that just because the computer seems smart that doesn't mean it will do the thinking for you. |
| 10:01.08 | amxdesign | MobyTurbo: exactly, that's why im asking what i need to do |
| 10:01.40 | simonrvn | @rutebook |
| 10:01.43 | ravenbird | if you want a copy of rutebook, wget http://simonraven.nuit.ca/doc/pdf/rute.pdf.bz2 |
| 10:01.52 | amxdesign | simonrvn: thanks, i understand now.. why are those files kept with this tab thing? security? |
| 10:01.54 | MobyTurbo | amxdesign: try thinking for yourself a bit instead of asking "how" after every reply. |
| 10:02.06 | simonrvn | @rutebook is also apt-get install rutebook |
| 10:02.06 | ravenbird | okay, simonrvn |
| 10:02.21 | amxdesign | MobyTurbo: thanks for your 'useful' advice.. when i dont understand something I'll ask |
| 10:02.26 | simonrvn | amxdesign: no, the '#' was interfering |
| 10:02.31 | amxdesign | oh |
| 10:02.51 | yoni | (someone got the fcking pssword of driverguide i keep forgeting ?) :) |
| 10:03.55 | karamelos | I am trying to sign a package. debsign skip my user saying "secret key not available". |
| 10:04.04 | xxenon | yoni - drivers2 ? |
| 10:04.05 | MobyTurbo | amxdesign: the reason why # doesn't work in the shell is because it's the comment character in the shell's scripting language. |
| 10:04.19 | simonrvn | karamelos: pass -kkeyID# |
| 10:04.23 | yoni | no driverguide |
| 10:04.52 | yoni | i should go run after someone's dog !!! |
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| 10:05.27 | amxdesign | MobyTurbo: thanks |
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| 10:05.53 | amxdesign | but why are files named with this character in lost+found? |
| 10:06.07 | MobyTurbo | amxdesign: that I don't know |
| 10:06.13 | amxdesign | I thought perhaps it was a security precaution to prevent users hastily removing files |
| 10:06.31 | netgod | because it doesnt know the original filename anymore; the # indicates the raw "inode number" of the file |
| 10:06.38 | amxdesign | ah |
| 10:06.40 | simonrvn | because that number is the inode the file was known as |
| 10:06.50 | karamelos | simonrvn, do you know if I can pass the -kkeyID directly to debuild ? |
| 10:07.00 | simonrvn | yes. yes. |
| 10:07.09 | amxdesign | how can you ever know truly if these raw files/data are really important or not? |
| 10:07.32 | amxdesign | unless you're very knowledgeable with Linux, its not easy? |
| 10:07.37 | netgod | amxdesign: open them in emacs? |
| 10:08.00 | simonrvn | or a pager of some sort, or .... |
| 10:08.01 | amxdesign | what if they're unreadable |
| 10:08.01 | MobyTurbo | amxdesign: use the "file" command to try to identify their contents?? |
| 10:08.11 | amxdesign | ok |
| 10:08.13 | simonrvn | using your brain |
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| 10:08.34 | nz17 | I am having difficulties setting up a Brother brand all-in-one printer. |
| 10:08.45 | MobyTurbo | amxdesign: I wouldn't reccomend opening them up with an editor unless "file" tells you they are text of some kind. |
| 10:08.47 | nz17 | I cannot get it to print using either lpd or CUPS. |
| 10:08.50 | dutchfish | tried the cups manual nz17? |
| 10:08.58 | amxdesign | okay |
| 10:09.18 | nz17 | I have downloaded and installed the drivers from the Brother site, and they appear correctly in CUPS and lpd. |
| 10:09.25 | nz17 | I have not consulted the manual yet. |
| 10:09.32 | amxdesign | file is a command ive never heard of, sounds useful |
| 10:09.52 | dutchfish | kernel 2.6? |
| 10:09.54 | simonrvn | it is |
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| 10:10.07 | trueno | Hi! Is it posible to use john the ripper against my win 2003 server passwords? |
| 10:10.07 | yoni | sry folks, i'm back... so i have opened pci.ids, what should i do next ? |
| 10:10.14 | MobyTurbo | amxdesign: I think "file" is not part of the base system in Debian, you might have to apt-get it. |
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| 10:10.23 | amxdesign | oh |
| 10:10.29 | nayyares | I have applied an IDE HDD system image to a SATA-HDD system, but after reboot i got Kernel Panic and boot option error? |
| 10:10.33 | nz17 | While I can send files to be printed the printer does not respond with output whether using USB or Ethernet. |
| 10:10.42 | MobyTurbo | amxdesign: it's a small file though. |
| 10:10.45 | bob2 | nayyares: use a Debian kernel |
| 10:10.59 | trueno | ii file 3.40-1.1 Determines file type using "magic" numbers |
| 10:11.11 | amxdesign | cool |
| 10:11.17 | nayyares | bob2: can you explain a bit? |
| 10:11.32 | nz17 | I am using kernel 2.6.8 |
| 10:11.49 | MobyTurbo | amxdesign: maybe dselect downloads it if it's in standard. |
| 10:11.55 | bob2 | nayyares: you'd need to explain what "IDE HDD system image" meant |
| 10:12.03 | MobyTurbo | s/downloads/selects or downloads/ |
| 10:12.49 | nayyares | bob2: no i want to recover that machine, i want to know how can i get ride of that kernel panic |
| 10:13.02 | bob2 | right |
| 10:13.06 | bob2 | don't explain it then |
| 10:13.41 | nayyares | bob2: plus if there any how-to in your mind cache for this problem , let me know :) |
| 10:13.53 | bob2 | wtf? |
| 10:14.22 | amxdesign | I have a question of a different nature now relating to wget... I have a webpage which contains some script that's activated using on.Load.. this works fine when loading the page in a browser, however I wanted to do periodic loads using wget+cron, however for some reason the script doesnt seem to be activated on the page when using wget. is it because it's not loading the page source code like a browser and merely fetching it? |
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| 10:14.46 | bob2 | I was asking "did some monkey bulid the kernel on that image or is it from Debian"? |
| 10:14.52 | bob2 | so then I could give you the one line solution |
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| 10:14.57 | MobyTurbo | sorry, darned dial-up timed out on me. |
| 10:15.00 | amxdesign | wb MobyTurbo |
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| 10:15.18 | amxdesign | MobyTurbo: why do use dial-up? |
| 10:15.23 | netgod | amxdesign: yes that is correct, wget does not execute javascript |
| 10:15.33 | amxdesign | netgod: thanks |
| 10:15.35 | bob2 | amxdesign: er, you know wget won't run javascript, right? |
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| 10:15.43 | nayyares | bob2: it is redhad-9 machine :( |
| 10:15.54 | bob2 | nayyares: yay for making it hard to help you |
| 10:15.58 | nayyares | s/redhed/redhat |
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| 10:16.01 | karamelos | how to set seahorse-agent to run at startup? |
| 10:16.03 | MobyTurbo | amxdesign: because I am poor |
| 10:16.11 | amxdesign | MobyTurbo: :-( |
| 10:16.17 | amxdesign | MobyTurbo: where do you live? |
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| 10:16.27 | MobyTurbo | amxdesign: Brooklyn, NY |
| 10:16.38 | amxdesign | you should have cheap broadband in NY eh |
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| 10:16.58 | MobyTurbo | amxdesign: yeah, being able to get DSL or cable broadband is easy here. |
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| 10:16.58 | amxdesign | US leads the way for Internet services |
| 10:17.10 | fusion | lol not even |
| 10:17.14 | fusion | sweden and japan do |
| 10:17.17 | MobyTurbo | amxdesign: not really, South Korea and Canada are ahead. |
| 10:17.24 | MobyTurbo | fusion: them too |
| 10:17.31 | amxdesign | well i mean in terms of size of the market |
| 10:17.35 | amxdesign | the US has far more choice |
| 10:17.37 | nayyares | bob2: i know i bugged you alot, but it is my office qmail server, i have to recover it :(, i am really searching for an howto for this kind of problem? |
| 10:17.48 | bob2 | no |
| 10:17.51 | bob2 | there's no howto |
| 10:17.56 | MobyTurbo | amxdesign: North Koreans pay less for broadband than Americans pay for dial-up. |
| 10:17.57 | bob2 | some idiot built the kernel wrong |
| 10:18.03 | amxdesign | incredible |
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| 10:18.11 | bob2 | if it's RH9, it probably doesn't support SATA at all |
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| 10:18.25 | MobyTurbo | s/North/South |
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| 10:18.37 | MobyTurbo | North Koreans have a hard time paying for food |
| 10:18.41 | amxdesign | I pay £25 a month ($47USD) for 750kb/128kb cable |
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| 10:18.54 | fusion | In sweden you can get 100Mbit for very very cheap to your door |
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| 10:19.03 | nayyares | bob2: what will make ma life in haven, rebuilding kernel ? |
| 10:19.16 | amxdesign | sweden won the award from EU for most advanced online country |
| 10:19.18 | yoni | ok i found the driver for my vga, i have "i830-2003012mm0-i386-linux.tar" into /tmp what should i do to install it ? |
| 10:19.43 | MobyTurbo | amxdesign: that's a bit high. $30 is the cheapest DSL here |
| 10:20.05 | amxdesign | how is sweden so far ahead in it's broadband technology than the rest of the world, when the country isnt really very remarkable itself? |
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| 10:20.13 | bob2 | nayyares: yes |
| 10:20.15 | dutchfish | Can someone pin-point me too a howto for upgrading to the latest CLAMAV in debian testing? |
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| 10:20.33 | MobyTurbo | amxdesign: it's better to not get the cheapest DSL though, if you don't get it from the local phone company and something goes wrong you get finger pointing. |
| 10:20.51 | MobyTurbo | amxdesign: Sweeds pay a lot of taxes. :-) |
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| 10:21.12 | amxdesign | alot of people i hear using DSL or ADSL complain of unreliable services and frequent disconnects |
| 10:21.20 | bob2 | dutchfish: you need to explain your problem more thoroughly |
| 10:21.42 | bob2 | dutchfish: do you mean "How do I run the version from testing on stable?" or "How do I run the latest upstream version on testing?"? |
| 10:21.44 | MobyTurbo | amxdesign: the people I know who have it are happy with it. |
| 10:21.51 | amxdesign | since I began using cable about 4 years ago, I've never had a single disconnection or problem |
| 10:21.52 | nayyares | bob2: thanks |
| 10:22.08 | yoni | ... Is there a "Debian Help Install" channel you can point me to ? |
| 10:22.16 | MobyTurbo | amxdesign: it probably has a lot to do with location. |
| 10:22.20 | bob2 | nayyares: it's really really really annoying when people conceal information and expect help |
| 10:22.26 | tcp|p | I got a call from a rep at my isp this morning |
| 10:22.27 | bob2 | yoni: no |
| 10:22.29 | amxdesign | MobyTurbo: oh |
| 10:22.36 | dutchfish | bob2: my curent CLAMAV 0.81 - fresclam advises 0.83 how to upgrade? |
| 10:22.37 | bob2 | yoni: just ask your question |
| 10:22.38 | brak | apt-get install fcitx will install fcitx-3.0,but i want a fcitx3.1, |
| 10:22.43 | brak | who help me??? |
| 10:22.56 | bob2 | lord |
| 10:22.59 | MobyTurbo | amxdesign: for instance, if you're too far away from the CO you can't get DSL at all. Maybe they are too far - this is not much of a problem in NYC I assume. |
| 10:22.59 | llama32 | whats the easiest to set up/use distro that lets you install anything you want and comes with plenty of packages (as in not stuck with kde like xandros)? i have a friend ive convinced to install linux and i want him to get a good impression... |
| 10:23.04 | bob2 | dutchfish: I'd just ignore it |
| 10:23.11 | bob2 | llama32: ubuntu |
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| 10:23.26 | dutchfish | bob2: is it save to do that? drawbacks? |
| 10:23.29 | llama32 | im guessing redhat [or whatever its called now] or something |
| 10:23.30 | yoni | Bob2, i have just install debian, under gdm i'm stuck at 640*480. I found a driver for my VGA, dl it into tmp, but don't know what else to do (instal it ?) |
| 10:23.30 | amxdesign | so the ISP's should tighten their boundries of service and not provide service where it could be unreliable to do so? |
| 10:23.34 | nayyares | bob2: conceal information? ====> me |
| 10:23.43 | bob2 | llama32: ubuntu is easier to install than redhat |
| 10:23.47 | amxdesign | these people experiencing problems must be borderline? |
| 10:23.52 | bob2 | yoni: so, that's not an install question |
| 10:23.57 | bob2 | yoni: /msg dpkg setup x |
| 10:24.00 | MobyTurbo | amxdesign: I don't know. |
| 10:24.04 | netgod | <PROTECTED> |
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| 10:24.14 | yoni | bob2, into terminal ? |
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| 10:24.21 | amxdesign | the UK wants to make the entire country online by 2007 |
| 10:24.37 | bob2 | yoni: into your IRC client |
| 10:24.44 | MobyTurbo | amxdesign: that's pretty late |
| 10:24.45 | bob2 | dutchfish: I don't know if there are any drawbacks |
| 10:24.55 | amxdesign | and also wants to end analog broadcasting |
| 10:24.55 | dutchfish | llma32: ubuntu is MUCH easier then rh9 |
| 10:24.55 | llama32 | bob2: does ubuntu have like gui tools for adding users and crap? and the installer is standard debian one right? i mean its easy unless u need to resize other partitons |
| 10:25.01 | yoni | ok |
| 10:25.11 | dutchfish | bob2: thank you very much! |
| 10:25.16 | MobyTurbo | amxdesign: that's stupid, is everyone going to have to pay $50 a month? |
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| 10:25.26 | amxdesign | MobyTurbo: well some areas are still quite remote and not covered...but most of UK is online, we're ranking high in EU's list |
| 10:25.31 | netgod | heh in taxes at least |
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| 10:26.03 | dutchfish | llma32: if you consider ubuntu a new release is coming soon |
| 10:26.07 | MobyTurbo | amxdesign: yes, the UK is at a decent level. |
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| 10:26.29 | amxdesign | everyone must have a digital tv soon |
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| 10:26.32 | MobyTurbo | amxdesign: amongst English speaking countries Canada is probably the best. |
| 10:26.36 | amxdesign | else no tv will come into your home |
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| 10:27.03 | dutchfish | bob2: ubuntu has all the thrills & frills to do just that |
| 10:27.08 | MobyTurbo | amxdesign: HDTV is taking too long here, because the FCC wanted to have a standard backwards compatable with analog TV |
| 10:27.20 | amxdesign | oh |
| 10:27.24 | MobyTurbo | amxdesign: I think Japan is the leader in HDTV |
| 10:27.39 | amxdesign | the US wouldnt want to subside all it's population to get digital set top boxes |
| 10:27.47 | dutchfish | bob2: it even has possibilities to use debian sources |
| 10:27.50 | amxdesign | *subsidise |
| 10:28.01 | MobyTurbo | amxdesign: the only things that get subsidized here are corporations via tax breaks. ;-) |
| 10:28.06 | amxdesign | hehe |
| 10:28.13 | amxdesign | especially Esso eh |
| 10:28.25 | amxdesign | ;) |
| 10:28.26 | yoni | bob2; i've done so... and then ? |
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| 10:28.27 | MobyTurbo | amxdesign: General Motors gets a multimillion dollar refund every year. |
| 10:28.27 | dutchfish | bob2: i like it as a gnome workstation |
| 10:28.47 | MobyTurbo | amxdesign: I'm sure Exxon (originally Esso) gets a good break too. |
| 10:28.51 | amxdesign | those motorcar companies are operating at such small margins tho, like 1-2% usually |
| 10:28.58 | dutchfish | bob2: its very fast and easy to maintain |
| 10:29.04 | amxdesign | i guess they do good for US in jobs and contribution to economy |
| 10:29.15 | MobyTurbo | amxdesign: yes, I understand that. |
| 10:29.43 | holycow | amxdesign, and they so very easily loose money too |
| 10:29.44 | amxdesign | i think the car industry will have to clean up and research new energy |
| 10:29.49 | MobyTurbo | amxdesign: they're outsourcing a lot of auto production however, only the final assembly is in America in some cases. |
| 10:29.53 | holycow | the car business is worse than owning a sports business |
| 10:29.54 | amxdesign | the US gov could do more to assist |
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| 10:30.08 | holycow | sports team even |
| 10:30.23 | trueno | Hi! Is it posible to use john the ripper against win 2003 server passwords? |
| 10:30.33 | MobyTurbo | amxdesign: they've done more in Chrystler's case, the government saved them from bankruptcy. |
| 10:30.44 | holycow | twice |
| 10:30.57 | amxdesign | the UK has pretty much lost it's car industry in the last 2 decades |
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| 10:31.16 | MobyTurbo | amxdesign: I hear ads for the "mini" on the radio here. |
| 10:31.27 | amxdesign | all we have is Rover, and it's changed hands so many times |
| 10:31.52 | MobyTurbo | amxdesign: I've seen rovers on the street, the SUV craze has helped them. |
| 10:31.53 | amxdesign | Rover makes the mini but it's future is uncertain again, a deal is being struck to save it with a Chinese motorcar company |
| 10:31.55 | brak | how make it reboot into text interface but not gui? |
| 10:32.11 | holycow | rover makes mini? |
| 10:32.14 | amxdesign | yeah |
| 10:32.15 | holycow | no bmw does, no? |
| 10:32.23 | holycow | rover is owned by ford? |
| 10:32.31 | amxdesign | Rover is owned by it's workers |
| 10:32.33 | MobyTurbo | holycow: BMW makes a car similar to the mini. |
| 10:32.37 | amxdesign | a co-operative |
| 10:32.46 | netgod | brak: iirc, type "linux single" at the LILO prompt |
| 10:32.53 | amxdesign | BMW owned Rover for a while and got some assets and stuff |
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| 10:33.17 | holycow | ford.com indicates that they own landrover ... you aren't refering to what i'm thinking as the rover then? |
| 10:33.31 | amxdesign | oh landrover is a separate company |
| 10:33.39 | holycow | oh okay :) |
| 10:33.43 | holycow | neat |
| 10:33.49 | Overand | Range Rover |
| 10:33.49 | Overand | ? |
| 10:33.49 | MobyTurbo | I thought the Land Rover was a Rover too. |
| 10:33.54 | amxdesign | the US is buying UK cars for last 2 decades |
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| 10:34.00 | holycow | i love the mini, thats a cool little car |
| 10:34.03 | amxdesign | Jaguar too |
| 10:34.05 | holycow | quite roomy despite its looks |
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| 10:34.10 | amxdesign | Rolls Royce |
| 10:34.13 | MobyTurbo | amxdesign: Jaguar is owned by one of the big three... |
| 10:34.24 | holycow | amxdesign, lol, yeah, the latest post ford jags look like fucking for tauruses |
| 10:34.30 | amxdesign | hehe |
| 10:34.45 | MobyTurbo | everything looks like the Taurus now. |
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| 10:34.57 | thepiratemaster | what is the name of the process of the X server |
| 10:35.00 | amxdesign | everything UK is either made abroad or financed with US/Japanese money |
| 10:35.01 | brak | netgod:i do not want to go single mode! |
| 10:35.39 | amxdesign | TVR, Aston Martin |
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| 10:35.58 | amxdesign | sportscars |
| 10:36.06 | MobyTurbo | brak: /etc/init.d/gdm stop |
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| 10:36.18 | amxdesign | what is the UK good for now eh? nuffin. we're finished and burnt out |
| 10:36.19 | netgod | brak: then remove xdm or whatever from /etc/rc2.d/ and resign yourself to starting x manually |
| 10:36.25 | MobyTurbo | brak: then change the init levels to have one that doesn't load X. |
| 10:36.47 | brak | oh,thanks |
| 10:36.56 | netgod | amxdesign: the UK is a good place to store gold used in multinational transactions |
| 10:37.02 | MobyTurbo | amxdesign: England still knows how to Rock and Roll. :-) |
| 10:37.02 | amxdesign | hehe |
| 10:37.03 | holycow | lol |
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| 10:37.08 | Mash | hello |
| 10:37.09 | holycow | amxdesign, thatcher fuck you guys |
| 10:37.19 | amxdesign | i thought the US took all the gold from UK after wwII |
| 10:37.20 | holycow | just like bush is fucking u.s. right now |
| 10:37.36 | thepiratemaster | what is the name of the process of the X server |
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| 10:37.47 | holycow | i gotta work on my tense >_> |
| 10:37.52 | MobyTurbo | Bush seems to be trying to kill Social Security, one of our few good social programs here. |
| 10:38.06 | holycow | moby, heh, yep |
| 10:38.07 | amxdesign | damn, if it gets any less how will people survive |
| 10:38.20 | MobyTurbo | amxdesign: move to Scandanavia. ;-) |
| 10:38.27 | amxdesign | your country doesnt like to give handouts, its a tough culture |
| 10:38.28 | netgod | thepiratemaster: hint: it has a 1 letter name |
| 10:38.33 | holycow | amxdesign, well, the danger for all of us outside of u.s. is an american implosion |
| 10:38.39 | holycow | they are huge consumers of everyones product |
| 10:38.47 | netgod | its not too pretty for people inside the US either |
| 10:38.50 | amxdesign | yeah |
| 10:38.56 | amxdesign | US economic meltdown |
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| 10:38.57 | holycow | they racked up record debt, that i dont see easing, and now bush is killing social programs |
| 10:39.01 | hever | hello there, I got the errormessage "{mx073} Cannot resolve your domain" in the error log by sending a email to anyemailaddess@gmx.de. Whats causing this error and what could I do ? |
| 10:39.04 | amxdesign | like the last big recession |
| 10:39.11 | amxdesign | domino effect worldwide |
| 10:39.13 | netgod | social security is already becoming less due to inflation |
| 10:39.16 | holycow | and they just guaranteed reduced taxes, so gov't has no income at all |
| 10:39.19 | netgod | amxdesign: yes |
| 10:39.22 | thepiratemaster | what is the name of the process of the X server |
| 10:39.31 | holycow | if thats not a recipe for disaster i don't know what is |
| 10:39.36 | amxdesign | Bush's spending has to be cut back |
| 10:39.45 | thepiratemaster | its not X or XFree86 nor XDM |
| 10:39.46 | amxdesign | thats the cause of the problem, he's spending faster than the US is makin |
| 10:39.52 | netgod | which in practice means that military spending needs to be cut back |
| 10:40.02 | amxdesign | the US dollar is at a record low now |
| 10:40.02 | holycow | they have been doing that now for 30+ years |
| 10:40.14 | netgod | thepiratemaster: "ps ax | more" |
| 10:40.21 | netgod | amxdesign: yes |
| 10:40.23 | holycow | the only thing that has saved them is that the world transitioned to the us dollar as the standard from gold after wwii |
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| 10:40.31 | holycow | if anyone decides to switch back, watch out |
| 10:40.32 | amxdesign | i worry for the US now that the Euro is gaining strength |
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| 10:40.34 | thepiratemaster | thanks |
| 10:40.57 | amxdesign | the market for europe is gaining ground and could pull business away from US |
| 10:41.15 | netgod | holycow: some say that iraq was thinking of switching to Euro as the oil settlement currency, and that was the last straw -- the US couldnt allow that, cause it would destroy the dollar |
| 10:41.15 | holycow | and if it does, they will invade you too |
| 10:41.25 | netgod | but all we've done is delay the inevitable |
| 10:41.26 | amxdesign | damn |
| 10:41.46 | amxdesign | the EU wouldnt do anything to harm the US |
| 10:42.07 | holycow | netgod, i bought into the bush thingy after 9/11 but now in retrospect... i wouldn't dismiss that at all |
| 10:42.20 | holycow | amxdesign, neither did iraq |
| 10:42.21 | holycow | heh |
| 10:42.22 | MobyTurbo | amxdesign: as much as they'd like to. ;) |
| 10:42.30 | amxdesign | but i think it's natural that the US dollar will lose favour / position in the market over time |
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| 10:42.44 | netgod | unlike the UK, the EU doesnt have a central government that is a world power; not much they can do except whine to the UN |
| 10:43.01 | thepiratemaster | is i wanna kill the X-server process sothat i can install the NVidia drivers, what should i do "kill <process>" ? |
| 10:43.13 | amxdesign | the Euro is at 300 million users and could grow to 700 million over time |
| 10:43.24 | holycow | netgod, unfortunately the eu seems to also have an unelected executive doing whatever it wants |
| 10:43.29 | holycow | in some ways its worse than u.s. |
| 10:43.33 | netgod | thepiratemaster: /etc/init.d/xdm stop |
| 10:43.36 | netgod | holycow: yes |
| 10:43.48 | amxdesign | netgod: that seems to be changing tho now the EU constitution has been drafted |
| 10:43.49 | MobyTurbo | thepiratemaster: stop your [x,g,k]dm |
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| 10:43.53 | netgod | amxdesign: heh thats an interesting way of looking at currencies; i like it |
| 10:43.56 | holycow | at least in the u.s. bush was actually voted in by their people, and as such they are to blame for their own situation now |
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| 10:44.04 | amxdesign | the plan is to make the EU a federation, but the UK opposes the idea |
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| 10:44.22 | MobyTurbo | holycow: he was voted in by the interior but not the coasts. |
| 10:44.29 | amxdesign | yeah |
| 10:44.38 | netgod | cooperation is good, but centralized power can only come to ill |
| 10:44.56 | holycow | MobyTurbo, true, i feel for you guys, i was in shock for two days when he results came in |
| 10:44.59 | holycow | i couldn't believe it |
| 10:45.02 | netgod | the interior is not known for its intellectuals |
| 10:45.02 | amxdesign | we feel we're losing power and control over our own internal affairs to some beaurocrats in Brussels |
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| 10:45.27 | thepiratemaster | eu is not a goverment, not a military force and not a world power. its an organisation for countrees in europe for economical purposes |
| 10:45.34 | netgod | amxdesign: we as in the UK? |
| 10:45.44 | amxdesign | thepiratemaster: thats changing now |
| 10:45.51 | amxdesign | netgod: yeah |
| 10:45.54 | MobyTurbo | amxdesign: you are, take a look at what they are doing in the case of software patents. |
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| 10:46.12 | amxdesign | for sure, the software patents is a major let down |
| 10:46.21 | thepiratemaster | yes, i live in holland. our priminister is a dweeb and a nerd. he's the president of the EU |
| 10:46.26 | amxdesign | an example of corruption and not listening to voters |
| 10:46.38 | brak | apt-get install fcitx will install fcitx-3.0,but i want a fcitx3.1, |
| 10:46.41 | brak | who help me??? |
| 10:46.42 | holycow | well don't give up it's not over yet |
| 10:47.09 | holycow | the next step is an overwhelming challenge but if you guys can get 3/4 support, just maybe it will go back to the start |
| 10:47.12 | netgod | precisely -- an organization formed for "economic interests" is essentially the puppet of superrich financiers; a real government is at least in theory accountable to ordinary people |
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| 10:47.32 | DavidS | never forget: the EU is not a union of peoples, ubt a union of governments |
| 10:47.34 | brak | apt-get install fcitx will install fcitx-3.0,but i want a fcitx3.1, |
| 10:47.37 | DavidS | s/ubt/but/ |
| 10:47.38 | MobyTurbo | holycow: more like 2/3 |
| 10:47.39 | brak | who help me??? |
| 10:47.41 | brak | apt-get install fcitx will install fcitx-3.0,but i want a fcitx3.1, |
| 10:47.44 | brak | who help me??? |
| 10:47.48 | holycow | netgod, the american instance of democracy has also been usurped by the same it seems :/ |
| 10:48.02 | holycow | perhps canadian too |
| 10:48.04 | Overand | democracy? constituional republic |
| 10:48.07 | amxdesign | you guys in US have little insight into the real EU |
| 10:48.10 | DavidS | and governments are known to take any chance they can to screw over the peoples |
| 10:48.13 | netgod | DavidS: technically thats also the case for the "united states", which is one reason the people have lost control over the federal government these past 100 years |
| 10:48.17 | amxdesign | you seem to be fed misinformation |
| 10:48.24 | MobyTurbo | brak: get checkinstall and make a deb from source |
| 10:48.25 | netgod | holycow: yes |
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| 10:48.49 | amxdesign | in NY you get to pay income tax twice, that sux |
| 10:49.00 | fusion | is there a way to redirect mail sent to a local account? |
| 10:49.03 | amxdesign | a state income tax |
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| 10:49.07 | netgod | DavidD: like any entity, a government will look out for itself first, gotta take care of number one |
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| 10:49.13 | amxdesign | is that the sign of things to come across the rest of the states? |
| 10:49.14 | netgod | fusion: my favorite way is procmail |
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| 10:49.20 | DavidS | fusion: typically via ~/.forward |
| 10:49.35 | MobyTurbo | brak: also if neccesary, run apt-get build-dep on the package. |
| 10:49.35 | MobyTurbo | s/on/for/ |
| 10:49.37 | amxdesign | netgod: thats the US way |
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| 10:49.40 | fusion | Okay and in .forward would I just have one line with the new address? |
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| 10:49.49 | fusion | also would it not store it in the local box anymore? |
| 10:49.57 | netgod | nearly all US states have income tax, typically in the 2% to 5% range; the federal tax is more like %25 to %40 |
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| 10:50.17 | MobyTurbo | amxdesign: Texas doesn't have a state income tax, but I'm not sure I'd want to live there. |
| 10:50.23 | DavidS | netgod: sad but true. the EU needs a much stronger parliament |
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| 10:50.41 | amxdesign | im confused then, some guy told me only NY has state income tax and all the other states only have sales tax |
| 10:50.43 | MobyTurbo | amxdesign: at least I know that my money is doing some good in NY. |
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| 10:51.13 | netgod | amxdesign: thats completely incorrect; only Texas and a couple other insignificant ones i cant remember are like that |
| 10:51.14 | holycow | DavidS, what the eu, us, canada and the world need i think is an educated and willing population to get in and own the bloody system |
| 10:51.14 | amxdesign | NY is a very big city |
| 10:51.19 | MobyTurbo | amxdesign: NY has sales tax too. When I lived in VA they have state income taxes too. |
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| 10:51.24 | holycow | right now it's owned by the few, while the rest here sit and watch tv |
| 10:51.27 | amxdesign | whats it now? 12 million? |
| 10:51.35 | MobyTurbo | amxdesign: NY is both a state and a city. ;-) |
| 10:51.37 | jeanmi_ | how can I get the list of files in a pckages (that it not installed on my system) ? |
| 10:51.50 | thepiratemaster | <PROTECTED> |
| 10:51.53 | DavidS | holycow: <sarcasm>I thought we had the big corps for that? |
| 10:51.53 | amxdesign | i think many states have no income tax |
| 10:51.58 | netgod | amxdesign: what IS true is that new york city has its own taxes, which is a third layer of taxation that is unusual -- IIRC only Los Angleles actually goes that far |
| 10:52.09 | holycow | DavidS, hehe :) |
| 10:52.11 | amxdesign | oh i see |
| 10:52.11 | netgod | amxdesign: just google it |
| 10:52.21 | MobyTurbo | amxdesign: no, only a few. Texas, Alaska, maybe some more conservative states. |
| 10:52.45 | amxdesign | how do Americans feel about money being taxed twice? |
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| 10:53.07 | amxdesign | well i always said sales tax/vat is a deferred income tax |
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| 10:53.27 | holycow | amxdesign, well from talking to americans they seem to think they pay very little tax ... it's usually a very odd conversation |
| 10:53.28 | MobyTurbo | amxdesign: not too badly, the state income taxes are small. Sales taxes really are a bad thing IMHO, too regressive. |
| 10:53.31 | amxdesign | but to charge a state income tax as well, thats just taking the piss when u pay a federal tax |
| 10:53.39 | amxdesign | oh |
| 10:53.45 | amxdesign | as long as it stays small eh |
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| 10:54.05 | amxdesign | but i think the federal gov will put pressure on states to increase it to lessen its burden |
| 10:54.07 | netgod | amxdesign: they dont feel as they should -- cause actually, only the states should have the power to tax its citizens directly, if the state chooses to; states are directly accountable to people, and thats how the country founders originally set up the constitution |
| 10:54.07 | MobyTurbo | amxdesign: the states do a lot of things that the Federal government doesn't do. Medicaid for example. |
| 10:54.21 | MobyTurbo | amxdesign: the localities do things like public schools. |
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| 10:54.50 | netgod | amxdesign: in the wars of the early 20th century, the US federal government appropriated to itself the power to tax the income of everyone here, even though its not directly accountable to them -- the rest is history |
| 10:54.53 | MobyTurbo | amxdesign: yes, originally federal income taxes were unconstitutional. |
| 10:54.55 | amxdesign | so really the US is like many countries with one federal manager |
| 10:55.03 | netgod | amxdesign: yes |
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| 10:55.27 | MobyTurbo | amxdesign: historically yes, that changed during the Civil War. |
| 10:55.34 | netgod | most states are fairly responsble with their money, they run roads and schools and parks, stuff people actually use |
| 10:55.39 | MobyTurbo | amxdesign: that's why they're called "States" |
| 10:55.44 | amxdesign | so the federal gov was unconsitutional in taking that move to tax all the citizens? |
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| 10:56.02 | netgod | the federal government takes peoples money, builds nuclear weapons, and destroys countries it doesnt particularly like -- i dont see how this helps the average citizen |
| 10:56.02 | MobyTurbo | amxdesign: I think they did an amendment |
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| 10:56.26 | netgod | amxdesign: they changed the constitution |
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| 10:56.40 | amxdesign | the US has the capacity to transform itself and also to do much good in the world in areas such as conversation, famine etc |
| 10:56.46 | netgod | amxdesign: im just saying that, looking back 80 years later, that was ... unfortunate |
| 10:56.49 | MobyTurbo | gtg, new kernel |
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| 10:56.52 | rayen | Hi, how could I let Debian detect my DHCP Client settings from my terminal? |
| 10:56.52 | amxdesign | *conservation |
| 10:56.59 | amxdesign | no pun intended |
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| 10:57.11 | netgod | amxdesign: yes this is true |
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| 10:57.20 | thepiratemaster | <PROTECTED> |
| 10:57.33 | netgod | there is some hope, but only if the american people wake up -- but these are the same people who re-elected bush, so .... |
| 10:57.36 | amxdesign | if the US gov becomes more open and in touch with it's voters, this change could come about |
| 10:57.49 | amxdesign | damn |
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| 10:58.23 | netgod | the world of the "Minority Report" becomes more real every day |
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| 10:59.03 | thepiratemaster | yea it does |
| 10:59.28 | holycow | netgod, well there is little hope of 'the people waking up' because to me that implies sitting around and us waiting for them to wake up |
| 10:59.35 | appaji | rayen: what do you mean discover DHCP client settings? |
| 10:59.35 | netgod | very little can stop the US/EU from demanding biometric scans and DNA samples from every baby and citizen, if in the future they decide its needed to "fight terrorism" |
| 10:59.42 | thepiratemaster | i do not like the americans |
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| 10:59.47 | holycow | i think we need to start organizing our selves and doing something about all this, because its not in just one country |
| 10:59.49 | thepiratemaster | they're so full of theirselves |
| 10:59.50 | holycow | its everywhere |
| 10:59.52 | trouble | how do i start kde from the command line ??? |
| 11:00.01 | thepiratemaster | as a country i mean |
| 11:00.09 | netgod | thepiratemaster: not all of america is asleep |
| 11:00.14 | thepiratemaster | i know |
| 11:00.16 | amxdesign | i heard the US will not allow people into the country without biometric passports |
| 11:00.16 | netgod | holycow: yes |
| 11:00.24 | thepiratemaster | they can hear me say it if they like |
| 11:00.28 | amxdesign | the US really takes the threat of terrorism seriously now |
| 11:00.33 | holycow | thepiratemaster, a lot of american population is really really poor and uneducated as well |
| 11:01.00 | netgod | amxdesign: in some cases, but thankfully such passports are rare |
| 11:01.04 | amxdesign | one can't cut oneself off from the rest of the world and live in a bubble eh |
| 11:01.06 | holycow | more so than people outside the us know ... some of that has an effect on the way people see them selves as a country i think |
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| 11:01.24 | amxdesign | life goes on, the UK has had IRA terrorism for 30 years |
| 11:01.32 | holycow | thats true as well |
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| 11:02.12 | amxdesign | netgod: i heard the US wants to make that the norm re biometric passports/id in US? |
| 11:02.51 | superSSS | Which rule must i make in order to block all outgoing connections for port 2000 for all internet except 192.168.1.0/24 with iptables? |
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| 11:03.10 | green_earz | holycow: when society start to open up and peaple can find out how things are done. that will be the time when peaple can be awake. open knowlage |
| 11:03.16 | netgod | holycow: more so than some people in the US realize: theres a reason the power brokers refer to most of the US as "flyover country" -- they might go there to manipulate the voting public and kiss some children, but when its time to handle money and power, they go to the rich cities on the coasts where people live who can actually think |
| 11:03.32 | thepiratemaster | americans think they're everything " god bless america" (what's an earth, ever heard or europe, australia or asia) and their kids are being brainwashed by having to swear loyaltie to a flag every morning at school. that's exactly the same what happen in the middle east. |
| 11:03.37 | amxdesign | when you consider the 911 thing tho it is quite shocking really... these guys werent just trying to make a statement, they were trying to destroy the US i think, maybe they antipicated the impact would be bigger |
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| 11:03.40 | netgod | amxdesign: i vaguely heard the same, but im not sure |
| 11:03.42 | holycow | green_earz, absolutely, i agree |
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| 11:04.08 | holycow | netgod, interesting, i've not heard that before |
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| 11:04.51 | netgod | thepiratemaster: all nations demand "loyalty" from its citizens; the US indoctrinates its kids with the ideas of "liberty and justice for all" (even tho the government doesnt practice it) |
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| 11:05.01 | thepiratemaster | kids are learned to die for their country there, and if american's founding fathers wouldnt have killed anyone else on the continent the same thing would happen in america |
| 11:05.06 | netgod | thepiratemaster: this is a far cry from indoctrinating with "death to infidels" |
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| 11:05.24 | amxdesign | hehe |
| 11:05.52 | amxdesign | it is a type of brainwashing as you say, it creates and maintains this "us and them" mentality |
| 11:06.00 | netgod | yes |
| 11:06.09 | thepiratemaster | exactly |
| 11:06.16 | green_earz | holycow: the GNU project is the starting point of this change |
| 11:06.34 | amxdesign | it would be better if the US had a map of the world and showed its children to respect all peoples and races as equally as its own |
| 11:06.37 | holycow | green_earz, it's funny, but i think so too |
| 11:06.39 | MobyTurbo | I think every country asks patriotism from its citizens, as long as it doesn't lead to xenophobia I don't mind it, a bit of idealism is it's positive effect. |
| 11:06.45 | thepiratemaster | u know what happens if a group of ppl thinks they are superiour (nazi gernamy 1939-1945) |
| 11:06.52 | amxdesign | yeah |
| 11:06.56 | MobyTurbo | s/it's/its |
| 11:07.01 | netgod | theres something to be said for taking a larger, "one world" view of humanity; but often the people promoting that have a secret agenda of being a high-ranking bureaucrat in an all-powerful world government, so im leery |
| 11:07.04 | MobyTurbo | (my spelling proves I'm an American) |
| 11:07.20 | holycow | green_earz, people call rms a wacko, i find him the equivalent of an oracle in relationship to what is going on out there now that i'm a bit older |
| 11:07.21 | netgod | MobyTurbo: agreed |
| 11:07.21 | amxdesign | well you can see from history, all of the european empires, UK, France, Spain etc |
| 11:07.47 | amxdesign | US is the new empire |
| 11:08.09 | amxdesign | more subtle and political, but an empire the same as the European powers were |
| 11:08.09 | MobyTurbo | and there seems to be a choice between empire and republic |
| 11:08.28 | holycow | heh, in a strange way, his hurd kernel project may infact save us once again somewhere down the road if the linux kernel is attacked enough |
| 11:08.50 | netgod | thepiratemaster: its human nature to think your family, your clan, your group is "the best" and that whatever you love is the ultimate expression of truth; where germany went wrong was confusing this human tendency with objective fact, basing this on genetics, and deciding there was such a thing as an inferior, worthless human |
| 11:08.57 | amxdesign | yes republic empire or democratic nation |
| 11:08.57 | thepiratemaster | i hope i live to see them bombed of the continent they stole someday |
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| 11:09.01 | netgod | thepiratemaster: which is fairly pathological |
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| 11:09.27 | thepiratemaster | i know its really extreme but they genocided 2 civilizations to live there |
| 11:09.57 | amxdesign | but look what the UK did to people in Africa and India/asia |
| 11:10.02 | netgod | amxdesign: yse |
| 11:10.03 | amxdesign | thats not mentioned eh |
| 11:10.14 | thepiratemaster | true |
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| 11:10.40 | thepiratemaster | i guess they used be okay |
| 11:10.50 | thepiratemaster | until the cold war |
| 11:10.51 | netgod | the governments arent asking its citizens whether they want to be an "empire" -- i wonder what the vote would be, if people actually saw what the UK has done to India |
| 11:10.54 | amxdesign | one thing tho, the US used the atomic bomb on a country |
| 11:10.59 | thepiratemaster | they actually think they won it |
| 11:11.18 | netgod | amxdesign: the US has very little moral authority to stand on, yes |
| 11:11.22 | amxdesign | i can never understand why |
| 11:11.41 | thepiratemaster | all the bad stuff comes from america |
| 11:11.58 | thepiratemaster | soap series, microsoft, A-bombs |
| 11:12.03 | amxdesign | hehe |
| 11:12.08 | amxdesign | but good comes from US too |
| 11:12.15 | netgod | amxdesign: in part to show off, to establish their power and deter future wars; whether it was actually needed in Japan, after Japan had already been reduced to smoking rubble by regular bombers, is debatable |
| 11:12.17 | thepiratemaster | macdonald, that's all |
| 11:12.34 | amxdesign | remember the US helped countries become free of empire and colonial powers |
| 11:12.42 | netgod | what is certain, is that once people have power, including the power to kill, some part of them will always want to flex it |
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| 11:13.06 | amxdesign | the political a-bomb |
| 11:13.07 | green_earz | the GNU project is very simular to Ivan Illich's writing of a society open knowlage |
| 11:13.10 | netgod | amxdesign: you mean it transfered the countrys servitude from foreign empires to the american empire |
| 11:13.12 | holycow | amxdesign, oh absolutely, the u.s. has done a whole lot of good as well, it's always bugged me when people demonise our friends south of the border |
| 11:13.33 | holycow | on the other side, it bugs me just as much that there is so much navel gazing over there too, not exclusively tho |
| 11:13.41 | holycow | they are good people |
| 11:13.47 | amxdesign | the US is like a big corporation |
| 11:13.57 | amxdesign | people will always envy its success and its strength in the world |
| 11:14.14 | amxdesign | but its not been handed to the US, it's been gained thru hard work and determination of its people eh |
| 11:14.43 | thepiratemaster | after the cold wars they turned into a cocky preppy bunch of selfcentered hypocrit invaders |
| 11:14.44 | netgod | bottom line is that Americans are trained to have very big egos -- that makes a lot of nice big things possible, like $50 million dollar Hollywood movies, but it can also make for a lot of insensitivity and arrogance |
| 11:14.49 | thepiratemaster | that' yuor america today |
| 11:14.50 | netgod | theres two sides to it |
| 11:14.52 | amxdesign | ok, some of it was sucked out of the UK in the 1930's-1950's |
| 11:14.53 | amxdesign | hehe |
| 11:14.55 | holycow | weeeeelll, yeah americans are hard workers as a society, fierce competitors but... |
| 11:15.12 | netgod | holycow: LOL what america are you in? :-) |
| 11:15.23 | holycow | ... i think it's a little more correct to say that the rest of the world has handed america the planet ... see wwi and wwii |
| 11:15.35 | netgod | the japanese are hard workers, americans are simply creative in finding ways of getting out of working |
| 11:15.39 | thepiratemaster | iraq i guess |
| 11:15.52 | holycow | netgod, hehe :) well overgeneralization but i wouldn't say america isn't productive, no?" |
| 11:15.54 | amxdesign | but if the US didnt work hard and take the initiative it could have been poor like India or China |
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| 11:16.08 | holycow | amxdesign, right thats what i mean |
| 11:16.11 | xoz | netgod: beg to disagree about japanese being hard working |
| 11:16.20 | thepiratemaster | they work hard there to steal the oil and make themselves look like liberators |
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| 11:16.31 | amxdesign | japanese work extremely hard to make things very small |
| 11:16.43 | thepiratemaster | japanese are good ppl |
| 11:16.44 | holycow | xoz, i always understood japanese sozied to be socially very productive as well, no? |
| 11:16.47 | amxdesign | they have an obsession with minaturisation and saving space |
| 11:16.52 | holycow | society even |
| 11:16.52 | pngwn | how about taking this off topic spew to #politics |
| 11:17.01 | amxdesign | sorry |
| 11:17.02 | thepiratemaster | very friendly. technologically advanced |
| 11:17.03 | netgod | holycow: agreed, im just saying its productive because we invented the ideas of a modern factory, quality control, continuous improvement, high tech, etc. and not because we have any great desire to work hard, not in the same way its drilled into children in some other countries |
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| 11:17.19 | netgod | thepiratemaster: yes |
| 11:17.26 | thepiratemaster | they actually got microsfot to lower their prices there |
| 11:17.29 | amxdesign | i hope the chat was stimulating enough for a Sunday but not too stressing |
| 11:17.33 | amxdesign | ;) |
| 11:17.34 | holycow | netgod, well consider that americans have the fewest vacation days per year |
| 11:17.37 | holycow | and longest work hours |
| 11:17.43 | xoz | holycow: maybe 10 to 20 years ago. japanese youth now are deteriorating... they havent experienced the difficulties of war |
| 11:17.47 | holycow | of probably any society that i'm aware of? |
| 11:17.59 | netgod | holycow: well maybe u have a point there |
| 11:18.00 | holycow | xoz, yeah good point |
| 11:18.06 | thepiratemaster | they started using linux on schools instead and microsoft flipped and lowered their prices |
| 11:18.10 | kenboo | <-- lazy Japanese :P |
| 11:18.30 | netgod | kenboo: ohayoo |
| 11:18.37 | holycow | thepiratemaster, japanse started using linux in school? |
| 11:18.38 | holycow | cool! |
| 11:18.39 | holycow | hehe |
| 11:18.47 | thepiratemaster | caz they where smart enough not to start any |
| 11:18.58 | holycow | note to all: i just deployed our first debian desktop workstation pilot at our company |
| 11:19.06 | thepiratemaster | yea, so did notway |
| 11:19.11 | thepiratemaster | *Norway |
| 11:19.18 | xoz | me too. it's all about appearances |
| 11:19.21 | thepiratemaster | only the capital thuogh |
| 11:19.23 | holycow | i had a funny request from a local office: reinstall my system, but i couldn't take it away, and they had dialup |
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| 11:19.43 | MobyTurbo | holycow: congradulations |
| 11:19.46 | holycow | so i said fuckit, installed debian on an hd, plugged it into their machine and told x11 to use the right driver, and they were up and running |
| 11:19.49 | amxdesign | the most intelligent people run Linux |
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| 11:19.52 | netgod | the latest generation of japanese has been infected with the idea that American-sized egos are cool, which is why their parents don't understand them -- its quite a break with two thousand years of social tradition |
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| 11:20.01 | riesebie | Hi all :) |
| 11:20.02 | jeanmi_ | anyone here using sasl for authenticating ? |
| 11:20.07 | bizkit | what's the easiest and best way to check all my filesystems on next boot without questions? i got 2x200gig discs with many partitions on them from ext2 over ext3 to reiserfs - the uptime is around a year now, a check would be good or are no checks needed? most data is on reiserfs |
| 11:20.10 | holycow | MobyTurbo, danke, its a spectacular success so far, i gave them 10 minute intro, not a single phone call in 3 days |
| 11:20.11 | thepiratemaster | that's why mocrosoft is in america |
| 11:20.26 | amxdesign | Microsaaaaft |
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| 11:20.44 | amxdesign | Bill Gates has been given his honory knighthood from the uk's queen |
| 11:20.49 | bob2 | thepiratemaster: please try to stay on-topic |
| 11:20.57 | amxdesign | sorry |
| 11:20.57 | thepiratemaster | i guess we all agree have that microsoft is evil |
| 11:21.03 | holycow | amxdesign, and appearently that uk school system as well according to theregister.co.uk |
| 11:21.04 | holycow | heh |
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| 11:21.05 | amxdesign | Japan rocks |
| 11:21.07 | netgod | bizkit: u could run tune2fs on the system to set the flags so it will definitely check; but my guess it will check all anyway -- its not just the number of mounts, but also the time between mounts that fsck looks for |
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| 11:21.11 | MobyTurbo | thepiratemaster: the open source development center where Linus works are in America. |
| 11:21.18 | xoz | because of billgate's micro and soft *thingy* |
| 11:21.20 | MobyTurbo | s/are/is |
| 11:21.22 | amxdesign | holycow yeah Bill helped schools |
| 11:21.26 | bob2 | please? |
| 11:21.32 | dacer | hi, I have "/dev/sdb1 /media/xp ntfs ro,user,auto 0 0" in my fstab, but when mount as user, /media/xp is "dr-x------ 1 root root 4096 2005-01-29 10:10 xp" |
| 11:21.36 | thepiratemaster | linux is not all linux |
| 11:21.38 | netgod | amxdesign: animated japanese women rock :) |
| 11:21.42 | amxdesign | hehe |
| 11:21.43 | thepiratemaster | its GNU/Linux |
| 11:21.44 | bob2 | I know it's sunday, but try to not regress all the way back to childhood. |
| 11:21.44 | amxdesign | true |
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| 11:22.03 | bizkit | netgod: on creation time i used tune2fs to disable check intervals on each partition to go around checking every 30mounts .. |
| 11:22.11 | bob2 | dacer: umask=002 in the options field |
| 11:22.12 | netgod | bill gates "helps" schools by getting chilren hooked on microsoft products; apple does the same thing |
| 11:22.25 | dacer | in fstab? |
| 11:22.31 | MobyTurbo | thepiratemaster: RMS is an American also. Please stop the anti-americanism, it's as disgusting as any sort of racism. |
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| 11:22.43 | netgod | bizkit: u can tune2fs a running filesystem, even tho it whines and moans while u do it |
| 11:23.04 | thepiratemaster | bill is okay i guess (never met the guy), it are the share holders and whoever thinks up marketing strategies down there |
| 11:23.15 | thepiratemaster | they suck |
| 11:23.33 | thepiratemaster | nonono, u make thea |
| 11:23.39 | riesebie | * riesebie needs one |
| 11:23.40 | dacer | ok, bob2, work fine |
| 11:23.42 | amxdesign | tea? |
| 11:23.42 | dacer | thanks |
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| 11:23.51 | cN|Vincenzo | hello peeps :) |
| 11:23.58 | thepiratemaster | yea, tea my honolable fliend |
| 11:24.02 | amxdesign | i usually drink tea, im not a big coffee drinker, however i cant drink tea in the mornings anymore |
| 11:24.17 | MobyTurbo | thepiratemaster: shareholders can sue a company if it doesn't grow fast enough, that's the real cause behind corporate misbehavior. |
| 11:24.17 | cN|Vincenzo | was wondering if any one of you guys know if PCI-e and audigy 2 are supported in either Fedora 3 or Debian |
| 11:24.33 | amxdesign | i have some kind of allergy or something, maybe lactose intolerant |
| 11:24.44 | amxdesign | hey come on guys |
| 11:24.46 | thepiratemaster | go to #kernel |
| 11:24.47 | holycow | MobyTurbo, heh, yeah thats an interesting phenomenon |
| 11:24.54 | thepiratemaster | its a kernel issue |
| 11:25.30 | MobyTurbo | amxdesign: I think I'm getting that too, dairy gives me the shits. |
| 11:25.33 | amxdesign | can anyone set themselves up as a CA? |
| 11:25.38 | netgod | MobyTurbo: agreed -- the flaw in corporations, at least large ones, is that they're motivated ENTIRELY by greed; a small company is still tied enough to egos of actual people to care about children of the future, and the environment, but a large one cares only about its next quarterly investment report |
| 11:25.42 | llama32 | anyone know if/where the very first redhat release is available? i have some old pc's here and some boredome to spare... |
| 11:25.56 | amxdesign | MobyTurbo: seems to be more common these days, also sugar/diabetis eh |
| 11:26.08 | llama32 | was redhat the first linux distro, or was it the first commercial one? |
| 11:26.12 | bob2 | llama32: #redhat |
| 11:26.12 | amxdesign | CA = certificate authority |
| 11:26.17 | Zambba | llama32: Can't you fit Debian to that? :P |
| 11:26.22 | Zambba | <PROTECTED> |
| 11:26.24 | bob2 | llama32: it wasn't evne the first commercial one |
| 11:26.24 | Zambba | Linux linuxburg 2.4.27-1-386 #1 Fri Sep 3 06:24:46 UTC 2004 i686 GNU/Linux |
| 11:26.25 | MobyTurbo | amxdesign: diabetes runs in my family. |
| 11:26.30 | amxdesign | :-( |
| 11:26.31 | bob2 | llama32: but #redhat, nonetheless |
| 11:26.32 | netgod | MobyTurbo: at that point everyone involved, including and especially the executive managers, become obedient servants of this virtual entity whos only thought is to make money, and screw the world if anything gets in its way |
| 11:26.36 | netgod | MobyTurby: it is not pretty |
| 11:26.38 | holycow | netgod, yeah, also there is this disturbing 'cult' among the financiers and bankers that goes something like 'money is the ultimate expression of the economic system' |
| 11:26.38 | llama32 | k |
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| 11:26.42 | amxdesign | MobyTurbo: do you have it? |
| 11:26.45 | MobyTurbo | llama32: the first commercial one, the first distro was SLS, and after that Slackware. |
| 11:27.09 | netgod | holycow: yes |
| 11:27.11 | holycow | and although we have our own vices that go into various directions such as communism or whatnot ... |
| 11:27.14 | MobyTurbo | amxdesign: no, but my father and half of my father's relatives do. |
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| 11:27.25 | holycow | i can't tell you how many ceo's and money people i've talked to that subsribe to that idea |
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| 11:27.45 | amxdesign | big business |
| 11:27.45 | holycow | it is incredibly disturbing, yet they are normal people, have families and all that, but can't connect the dots |
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| 11:28.08 | netgod | holycow: its a requirement for playing in that field, just as you wont find many Linux people who don't belong to the cult of free software |
| 11:28.18 | amxdesign | money has become their god |
| 11:28.19 | holycow | netgod, oh excellent point, absolutely |
| 11:28.24 | amxdesign | *religion |
| 11:28.28 | holycow | netgod, i can't tell you how hard i haveto keep my mouth shut |
| 11:28.33 | amxdesign | ethics dont come into it |
| 11:28.41 | holycow | you are so right, if they even think your not in the cult, your out of the game |
| 11:28.41 | hehehe | hey |
| 11:28.42 | netgod | everyone has their ideals, and their gods, question is, what side are their gods on? |
| 11:28.49 | AlexW | hey |
| 11:28.54 | netgod | the gods of money are pretty selfish, in my opinion |
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| 11:29.09 | llama32 | bob2: what was the first commercial one? |
| 11:29.23 | holycow | netgod, i would say their views are far too abstract and do not encompass the entire spectrum of knowledge |
| 11:29.40 | amxdesign | in the UK's theres a very large corporation which has bucked this trend and made a new type of organisation |
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| 11:29.53 | MobyTurbo | llama32: ygdrasdil(sp) was an early commercial distribution. |
| 11:29.55 | holycow | these people also tend to have weird tendencies toward obsessive compulsive behaviours, such as workaholic types of behavious |
| 11:30.18 | netgod | and incredibly tempting -- i know of a 24-year-old who sells drugs (to hospitals) -- a willing pawn of a pharmaceutical system that kills people by the millions, but then hes got a ferrari and a $130,000 a year salary |
| 11:30.23 | netgod | who could say no? |
| 11:30.32 | holycow | netgod, right |
| 11:30.37 | amxdesign | the Co-operative, it has 100's of companies across dozens of industries...but at it's heart is a very precise set of ethics, the Co-Op Bank doesnt invest in companies which harm the people or the planet |
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| 11:30.47 | netgod | amxdesign: what company? never heard of it? |
| 11:30.53 | netgod | got a website? |
| 11:30.53 | amxdesign | its a pity there arent more corporations like the Co-operative |
| 11:30.56 | amxdesign | sure |
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| 11:31.09 | holycow | amxdesign, i've been thinking of starting something similar |
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| 11:31.17 | netgod | holycow: as was i :-) |
| 11:31.17 | holycow | for software and other goods as well |
| 11:31.18 | amxdesign | the Co-op is owned by the workers and doesnt have shareholders |
| 11:31.31 | holycow | i'd like to entirely bypass the big labels and multinationals |
| 11:31.41 | holycow | and create a co-op where small and medium sized business can trade |
| 11:31.45 | MobyTurbo | netgod: I remember visiting a weight lifting gym and seeing stationary with a steroid drug advertized on it. You only can get those from drug salesmen, so I assume the drug companies sent someone there. |
| 11:31.47 | amxdesign | that would be great |
| 11:31.50 | holycow | with emphasis on the third world |
| 11:31.54 | puppet | yeah debian up running on laptop |
| 11:31.59 | puppet | only not working yet is mouse in console! |
| 11:32.00 | puppet | ;D |
| 11:32.05 | puppet | I roxxor |
| 11:32.11 | netgod | holycow: re what you said, yeah its predictable, cause anyone who is basing their actions on greed and fear instead of love and hope, is going to have wierd psychological quirks and insecurities |
| 11:32.14 | holycow | problem is some of the third world cant afford to eat, never mind gain access to say an online co-op type of site to trade |
| 11:32.19 | netgod | holycow: its only by a great effort that they appear normal |
| 11:32.28 | holycow | netgod, oh thats another good point |
| 11:32.34 | holycow | i've heard the same said of hitler |
| 11:32.35 | amxdesign | netgod: http://www.co-op.co.uk |
| 11:32.42 | holycow | he was a monster that worked hard to appear normal |
| 11:32.45 | holycow | *nod* interesting |
| 11:32.45 | netgod | heh big surprise there |
| 11:32.48 | holycow | yes i can see that |
| 11:32.49 | amxdesign | you can even be buried by the Co-op now :) |
| 11:32.58 | holycow | amxdesign, rally? hehe |
| 11:32.59 | netgod | cool thanks |
| 11:33.05 | holycow | just out of curiosity, any urls? |
| 11:33.17 | amxdesign | they also run farms, deliver milk, run supermarkets and banks |
| 11:33.21 | holycow | neato |
| 11:33.30 | holycow | see i don't think anythin will change with a revolution |
| 11:33.39 | holycow | or any of the traditional ways of subversion |
| 11:33.44 | amxdesign | i think the co-op was started in teh 1960's/1970's by hippies as an experiment in farming |
| 11:33.47 | holycow | we haveto use the system to subvert it |
| 11:33.57 | MobyTurbo | holycow: I think in general revolutions are a bad idea. |
| 11:34.05 | holycow | nothing gets a corporations attention more than people stop buying |
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| 11:34.10 | MobyTurbo | holycow: they usually end up with the Lenin/Stalin types running things. |
| 11:34.15 | holycow | thats their single greatest strenght and simultaneously a witnes |
| 11:34.16 | holycow | s |
| 11:34.29 | netgod | our weapons are words and our battleground is the internet itself -- no government can block the net, except perhaps china, and no government can fully police speech |
| 11:34.38 | netgod | holycow: heh true |
| 11:34.38 | holycow | MobyTurbo, yeah, because they haveto be headed by the same types of people as netgod described a moment ago |
| 11:34.40 | holycow | *nod* |
| 11:34.48 | holycow | weakness |
| 11:34.54 | amxdesign | is the capitalist model and way of business fundamentally flawed in the long term? wont we run out of natural resources and pollute ourselves? market saturation etc |
| 11:34.57 | holycow | man that was a weird typo |
| 11:35.08 | amxdesign | also, all these competiting forces..wasted resources/energy? |
| 11:35.09 | holycow | amx i think its a problem of extremes |
| 11:35.13 | netgod | its quite possible for a company to start out with a good idea and then grow into a monster, like Wal Mart |
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| 11:35.22 | holycow | capitalism is nothing more than offering behavioural incentive to produce |
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| 11:35.40 | holycow | human behaviour requires some incentive, capitalism is just a way to offer the incentive |
| 11:35.42 | amxdesign | supply and demand is the name of the game sure, but it is really efficient/safe? |
| 11:35.53 | netgod | amxdesign: yes theres is a fundamental flaw, it is simply not sustainable to consume resources at the rate needed to power modern economy |
| 11:35.56 | thepiratemaster | in order to destroy the internet, all 11 DNS-servers must be destroyed |
| 11:35.59 | holycow | the problem comes in when its all about the incentive, and nothing else ... when you go too far to the right |
| 11:36.07 | netgod | amxdesign: nothing wrong with trade and profit, in my book, but not at the expense of the future |
| 11:36.23 | holycow | netgod, i will hold you to the 'modern economy' part for a bit |
| 11:36.28 | netgod | amxdesign: but the only way to fix the fundamental flaw is to invent free energy, so everything becomes essentially effortless |
| 11:36.38 | thepiratemaster | technonlogie is not the thing to make profit with |
| 11:36.43 | thepiratemaster | its slowing us DOWN |
| 11:36.58 | MobyTurbo | thepiratemaster: I don't think freenet uses DNS |
| 11:37.01 | holycow | netgod, however i think the fundamental thing driving the 'modern economy' is population growth |
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| 11:37.05 | PerfDave | There are lots of co-operative organisations in the UK. |
| 11:37.06 | amxdesign | in the UK we have an interesting problem now tho on the other side of this... the "big 4" supermarkets now control much of the UK's food production/supply, and its become so centralised that any mistakes in food safety quickly affect millions of people... also standards have gone down as theres less pressure from competition |
| 11:37.09 | holycow | not unlike say bacteria growth in a petry dish |
| 11:37.16 | thepiratemaster | software patents are the greatest burden |
| 11:37.20 | holycow | we are just bacteria that 'figured out' how to game the petry dish |
| 11:37.28 | holycow | we mutated let's say |
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| 11:37.31 | netgod | holycow: the populations of the top-consuming countries are stable, so i dont see the connction |
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| 11:37.43 | holycow | and are overgrowing, i don't think there is a need to make the explanation any more complex than that |
| 11:37.57 | holycow | netgod, what do you mean? |
| 11:38.05 | holycow | oh okay |
| 11:38.26 | netgod | amxdesign: same thing in the US, where Arthur Daniels Midland and a couple others have such a grip on farming, theyre trying to genetically engineer seeds and become exclusive providers of food |
| 11:38.38 | holycow | it still comes down to the number of organisms in the petry dish in total |
| 11:38.44 | netgod | if you're going to play the world domination game, this is how |
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| 11:38.51 | amxdesign | phew that sounds dodgy |
| 11:38.51 | PerfDave | Remember, kids. Biodiversity is *good* ;) |
| 11:38.52 | holycow | not necessariuly whether one subgroup has the 'best part' of the petry dish |
| 11:39.00 | ftroop | wow iwow i have installed debian sarge 3 times and its installed itself differently 3 times lol |
| 11:39.11 | Overand | ftroop: netinstall? |
| 11:39.15 | ftroop | yeah |
| 11:39.20 | amxdesign | ftroop: why 3 installations? |
| 11:39.29 | netgod | holycow: well yeah, it does come down to a resource allocation problem -- when theres limited resources youer going to have war |
| 11:39.33 | netgod | thus the need for free energy |
| 11:39.42 | thepiratemaster | if microsoft would release sourcecode of their operating system (we will see aLOT of GNU/linux/BSD code) and we will all be able to make one working stable operating system with all the windows linux bsd hurd and unix api's |
| 11:39.44 | holycow | paulswm, its 3:30 am here, it's just an offnight on some oddball discussion, we shall returned to your regularly scheduled #debian of fighting, spitting and cursing newbs shortly |
| 11:39.45 | holycow | hehehe :) |
| 11:39.49 | thepiratemaster | full compatibilitie |
| 11:39.54 | ftroop | :( cocos i played arround with it too much and cocked it up lol |
| 11:39.58 | PerfDave | thepiratemaster: And the MOON ON A STICK! |
| 11:40.06 | netgod | paulsvm: would u like us to tie global politics to the fight between GNU and BSD copyrights, or Apache vs. Microsoft? |
| 11:40.09 | amxdesign | fusion atomic energy is a long way off they say |
| 11:40.28 | holycow | netgod, thats not so hard infact >_> |
| 11:40.30 | amxdesign | PerfDave: good man |
| 11:40.33 | paulswm | holycow: Please show me an instance where I have done anything of which you have just accused me |
| 11:40.41 | amxdesign | PerfDave: its also considerably healthier for u :) |
| 11:40.45 | thepiratemaster | the reason that there is no such thing is microsoft windows patents and SCO's non existing UNIX patents |
| 11:40.47 | ftroop | i will d/l the dvd iso i think save my self time when i balls this install up hehe |
| 11:40.48 | netgod | amxdesign: and theyre right, but theres other ways to do it; google for alternative science |
| 11:40.48 | holycow | paulswm, who is accusing you of anything? |
| 11:40.52 | netgod | holycow: indeed :-) |
| 11:40.57 | PerfDave | And if I do buy food from a supermarket, I buy from the OSG co-op, since they seem to be the least bad supermarket. |
| 11:41.00 | holycow | that was a joke paulswm :) |
| 11:41.06 | paulswm | holycow: <holycow> paulswm, its 3:30 am here, it's just an offnight on some oddball discussion, we shall returned to your regularly scheduled #debian of fighting, spitting and cursing newbs shortly |
| 11:41.20 | thepiratemaster | thank god there's ReactOS and WINE |
| 11:41.31 | netgod | whatever became of SCO's patent claims? |
| 11:41.34 | amxdesign | PerfDave: pity theres not more like you and me, then we would have better foods and health eh |
| 11:41.40 | amxdesign | :-) |
| 11:41.43 | holycow | paulswm, right, where is there any language there that referst to you? its a general comment, meant to be humorous, don't be so serious, it's sunday already :)( |
| 11:41.46 | holycow | :) even |
| 11:42.13 | thepiratemaster | for the "unix based"-linux- and unix-kernels |
| 11:42.20 | MobyTurbo | thepiratemaster: I happen to hate Windows not just because of its license. The moment Linux becomes Windows rather than Unix is when I drop it. |
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| 11:42.42 | holycow | MobyTurbo, heh, me too |
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| 11:42.59 | netgod | and Apple OSX is actually based on unix technology as well; as is part of Windows, very deep inside |
| 11:43.10 | thepiratemaster | i know |
| 11:43.13 | paulswm | Well I'd be happy if sound in Linux was as easy to set up as in Windows, or wireless LAN |
| 11:43.19 | netgod | and i mean, very deep :-) |
| 11:43.20 | Overand | netgod: OS X is bsd and NeXT based, and we know that. |
| 11:43.26 | holycow | paulswm, wireless is trivial |
| 11:43.31 | holycow | not sure about sound tho :) |
| 11:43.33 | holycow | hehe |
| 11:43.35 | Overand | paulswm: often, on sound, it's configurationless |
| 11:43.40 | paulswm | holycow: trivial? |
| 11:43.41 | Overand | depends on the sound subsystem you use |
| 11:43.43 | ftroop | i donly use windows for things like world of warcraft but thats it if it had a linux port i would dump windows all together |
| 11:43.45 | netgod | paulswm: heh it worked for me |
| 11:43.46 | holycow | paulswm, absolutely |
| 11:43.46 | Overand | i've had boxes that 'just worked' |
| 11:44.00 | paulswm | holycow: Not to me it isn't |
| 11:44.01 | thepiratemaster | "NT" technonlogy is just an opensource stolen |
| 11:44.04 | Overand | ftroop: world of workcraft works via wine/transgaming cedega on linux |
| 11:44.15 | MobyTurbo | Overand: Apple uses a modified Mach kernel, I wonder if the Hurd leaving Mach was really such a wise decision. |
| 11:44.16 | Overand | thepiratemaster: can you back that statement up with *any* evidence? |
| 11:44.21 | Rid`0uT` | hello folks! |
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| 11:44.22 | amxdesign | phew |
| 11:44.30 | thepiratemaster | i tihnk its secretly an existing opensource trechnolonie i mean |
| 11:44.34 | holycow | paulswm, *nod*, you just need the right website for the 6 basic commands, 1 or 2 config files, and the right wireless card |
| 11:44.35 | Overand | MobyTurbo: OS X runs on a mach kernel? that's news to me |
| 11:44.38 | netgod | MobyTurbo: theres a number of projects trying to make Linux like Windows, GNOME and KDE being the most prominent -- thing is, we have a choice, we don't have to run those applications |
| 11:44.45 | holycow | trivial doesn't really describe it, super easy on debian |
| 11:44.46 | thepiratemaster | no |
| 11:44.56 | thepiratemaster | i do not say it is absolute true |
| 11:45.02 | MobyTurbo | Overand: I'm sure it's a microkernel, I think Mach. |
| 11:45.03 | amxdesign | anyone here who has eaten english white sliced bread will know what i mean when i call it "pussy bread" |
| 11:45.06 | ftroop | does it nice one i got cedega hanging around somewhere i might give it a try later havnt looked on transgaming site for a while |
| 11:45.28 | holycow | amxdesign, wet and smelly? |
| 11:45.29 | holycow | >_> |
| 11:45.32 | holycow | *oops* |
| 11:45.34 | amxdesign | you dont even need teeth to eat this bread, you can swallow it without chewing |
| 11:45.37 | amxdesign | hehehe |
| 11:45.38 | MobyTurbo | Overand: so are a couple of commercial Unixes, I think either or both AIX and HP-UX. |
| 11:45.39 | amxdesign | :P |
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| 11:45.45 | netgod | MobyTurbo: the hurd left mach? i thought being mach was the main point? then again the whole hurd project seemed to be an exercise in cool computer science, not a serious attempt to make something for everyone to use |
| 11:45.57 | holycow | netgod, they left mach |
| 11:46.03 | netgod | hmpf |
| 11:46.12 | MobyTurbo | netgod: Hurd has moved to L2, another microkernel |
| 11:46.17 | holycow | the are using another one |
| 11:46.23 | MobyTurbo | netgod: and now it functions even less than before. |
| 11:46.27 | holycow | what moby said |
| 11:46.28 | netgod | hehehehe |
| 11:46.31 | amxdesign | does anyone use MythTV? |
| 11:46.39 | Overand | MobyTurbo: you're right, osx IS mach based. cool. |
| 11:46.43 | Overand | amxdesign: i've used it. |
| 11:46.45 | Overand | hellish to set up |
| 11:46.47 | Overand | great once running |
| 11:46.50 | amxdesign | so ive heard |
| 11:46.55 | Overand | depends on the card you use |
| 11:47.04 | Overand | had to edit some source to get the right tuner support in |
| 11:47.08 | Overand | iirc |
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| 11:47.24 | holycow | Overand, i've yet to get it working >_> |
| 11:47.25 | holycow | hehe |
| 11:47.30 | amxdesign | i have an old tv card i wanna replace, its just useless |
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| 11:47.33 | thepiratemaster | <PROTECTED> |
| 11:47.35 | ftroop | what is the best tv proggy to use i usually just use kdetv |
| 11:47.41 | RRT | i am trying to install sarge on a presario 900 with a net install cd. install fails to mount the cd and i have to abort. any ideas? |
| 11:47.41 | thepiratemaster | what was it called agian? |
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| 11:47.48 | holycow | thepiratemaster, mach |
| 11:47.57 | thepiratemaster | no different |
| 11:48.03 | thepiratemaster | they open sourced it |
| 11:48.08 | holycow | its mach |
| 11:48.20 | thepiratemaster | something with a G |
| 11:48.22 | holycow | and it was open source to begin with? |
| 11:48.24 | netgod | problem with linux is that all its drivers are provided by volunteers who happen to have that hardware; with windows the manufacurers themselves develop and test the drivers, cause if it doesnt work in Windows they have no market and no money |
| 11:48.37 | MobyTurbo | thepiratemaster: Mach was always open source. It is even owned by GNU now, before by CMU. |
| 11:48.39 | holycow | netgod, yeah, thats really the only thing missing |
| 11:48.43 | holycow | but its not like its an issue |
| 11:48.43 | netgod | so even tho linux eventually has the clear, more elegant driver, its usually not the first or the latest |
| 11:48.50 | thepiratemaster | g... |
| 11:48.54 | thepiratemaster | g..something |
| 11:48.56 | Penix | it's not "owned" by GNU |
| 11:49.00 | holycow | netgod, *nod* and thats okay too |
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| 11:49.02 | Penix | GNU Mach is different |
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| 11:49.14 | Overand | yeah |
| 11:49.17 | Overand | abandoned |
| 11:49.17 | Overand | heh |
| 11:49.23 | MobyTurbo | Penix: a fork? Interestinbg |
| 11:49.29 | MobyTurbo | /bg/g |
| 11:49.31 | Overand | oh |
| 11:49.33 | Overand | i take that back |
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| 11:49.38 | Overand | GNU/HURD *on* mach is abandoned |
| 11:49.45 | Overand | GNU MACH is different |
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| 11:49.47 | thepiratemaster | DARWIN |
| 11:49.49 | thepiratemaster | that was it |
| 11:49.54 | thepiratemaster | no g... |
| 11:49.56 | thepiratemaster | sorry |
| 11:50.00 | holycow | darwin ... ? i thought it was mach? |
| 11:50.06 | MobyTurbo | which is stupid because Mach has proven its usefullness on other platforms. |
| 11:50.07 | Penix | Mach based GNU/Hurd is *the* GNU/Hurd |
| 11:50.10 | holycow | heh, i'm all mixed up now |
| 11:50.14 | thepiratemaster | no its darwin |
| 11:50.15 | Penix | until the L4 port is actually usable |
| 11:50.15 | holycow | okay *nod* right |
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| 11:50.26 | Froggy9000 | where can i get rpm2tgz |
| 11:50.27 | MobyTurbo | holycow: Darwin/Mach ;-) |
| 11:50.32 | Froggy9000 | for sarge |
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| 11:50.40 | thepiratemaster | O_O |
| 11:50.42 | thepiratemaster | w/e |
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| 11:51.18 | MobyTurbo | Froggy9000: maybe Alien can do that. |
| 11:51.32 | xoz | <PROTECTED> |
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| 11:51.44 | Froggy9000 | nope i'm trying 2 convert the OOo rpms 2 tgz's |
| 11:51.47 | holycow | queuetue, will its called d-i |
| 11:51.48 | holycow | hehe :) |
| 11:51.57 | yang | Which rule must i make in order to block all outgoing connections for port 2000 for all internet except 192.168.1.0/24 with iptables? |
| 11:51.59 | MobyTurbo | brb |
| 11:52.01 | queuetue | d-i ? |
| 11:52.02 | aespinoza | hello to everyone. |
| 11:52.09 | netgod | queuetue: thats a very good idea |
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| 11:52.20 | aespinoza | has anyone been trying to compile xglx (cvs ) ? |
| 11:52.24 | holycow | queuetue, i'm joking :) it will of course erase your entire hd |
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| 11:52.43 | netgod | queuetue: what corporation wants to be locked into a single vendors product anyway, even if its linux-based? |
| 11:53.13 | queuetue | holycow, d-i won't do anyting, afaik.... |
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| 11:53.29 | holycow | queuetue, yes, like i said, it was a joke |
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| 11:53.58 | queuetue | Ok, if you say so. :) |
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| 11:54.40 | Froggy9000 | anyone get OOo 2.0 beta working? |
| 11:54.49 | aespinoza | I'm getting a weird undefined macro error while trying to autogen with xglx source. |
| 11:54.50 | netgod | <PROTECTED> |
| 11:54.52 | queuetue | Anyway .. i thought apt-get for rpm would alleviate the situation. nope. The distro si still broken, just now it's broken in ways that are more automatic.:) |
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| 11:55.05 | netgod | lol |
| 11:55.29 | holycow | netgod, funny, i did same actually |
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| 11:55.34 | holycow | 002 is going to be amazing |
| 11:55.38 | nullvoid | hi all |
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| 11:56.00 | MrHyde | hi there! |
| 11:56.03 | jack_1_2_3 | Hi |
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| 11:56.23 | netgod | i like the xml file formats; the binary-bytestream thing is a relic of the 80s |
| 11:56.54 | jack_1_2_3 | I´ve recently installed debian, and after the first reboot, I can´t get anti-aliasing fonts. Any ideas? |
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| 11:57.13 | holycow | netgod, yeah, well having an office suite save in xml format is appropriate as xml is a data exchange format |
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| 11:57.31 | holycow | and in desktop publishing, you are usually exchanging data between many apps |
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| 11:57.44 | netgod | yes |
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| 11:57.56 | MobyTurbo | jack_1_2_3: use sarge |
| 11:58.05 | ulix | hi |
| 11:58.05 | peterS | paulswm: /msg dpkg sunday |
| 11:58.11 | netgod | we can now write a simple XSLT transformation to convert from OO to LinuxDoc XML to XHTML |
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| 11:58.34 | netgod | in our dreams anyway -- cause nothing involving XSLT is simple :-) |
| 11:58.45 | holycow | heh |
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| 11:58.49 | Froggy9000 | the core04 rpm for OOo doesn't convert :-( |
| 11:58.56 | holycow | well cms systems are starting to pop up that publish directly from oo.o |
| 11:59.02 | peterS | yeah, "simple XSLT transformation" does not, I think, exist in *any* context |
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| 11:59.08 | netgod | hehehehe |
| 11:59.08 | holycow | so a little by litte |
| 11:59.40 | holycow | yeah the scope of xslt is far greater than css |
| 11:59.40 | MobyTurbo | peterS: more jobs for programmers then. ;-) |
| 11:59.48 | Froggy9000 | can someone tell me how to get OOo 2.0 beta working please :-) |
| 11:59.49 | holycow | most people think of xslt as css, its just not really the same |
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| 11:59.56 | holycow | from what i've read on the subject anyway |
| 11:59.59 | peterS | MobyTurbo: more jobs for people who can stomach XML and XSLT, anyway. a subset of programmers. |
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| 12:00.36 | netgod | ideally though you would write your stuff in conglomerate, using a proper Article or News Story DTD -- an office editor is not necessarily the best choice for production authoring |
| 12:00.42 | netgod | and conglomerate looks pretty good |
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| 12:01.05 | MobyTurbo | peterS: XML isn't always bad, it's when it's used as a human-edited configuration file format that I want to scream. |
| 12:01.16 | ulix | Hi wo gibts woody cds mit hanbuch zum kaufen? |
| 12:01.32 | peterS | MobyTurbo: yes, quite. if it's just used as an interchange format, it's great ... except for being horribly and unnecessarily verbose |
| 12:01.41 | netgod | xml is ok though wordy; XSLT is lacking by design some key features needed to make it easy; i'm looking into SXSLT instead |
| 12:01.43 | holycow | xslt is supposed to have very powerfull transformation capabilities for xml data ... i would say by definition it has to be rather large |
| 12:01.48 | findme_ | too verbose, pia <--pain in the ass |
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| 12:02.11 | xk | hrm... what's the sh way of doing if/test statements? do I need to use quotes? |
| 12:02.12 | peterS | MobyTurbo: honestly, a binary data structure that expresses the same tree of elements XML can express would be much preferable for those things XML is really good at |
| 12:02.13 | mati | I want to have a partition solely for mp3, ogg, flac files. Since i've read that xfs and jfs use little cpu power, i want to ask which would you recommend me and if i should change the default block size. |
| 12:02.15 | holycow | findme_, but the converse of that is true too, not verbose enough and you cant do a lot with it |
| 12:02.22 | netgod | holycow: largeness is not quite the same as power; that could just be inelegant design |
| 12:02.31 | holycow | okay good point |
| 12:02.32 | MobyTurbo | peterS: s-expressions? :-) |
| 12:02.37 | jack_1_2_3 | anyone can help with font problems? |
| 12:02.39 | peterS | MobyTurbo: that's a step in the right direction (: |
| 12:02.39 | findme_ | holycow, either way you need to understand what the heck is in it. |
| 12:02.47 | holycow | thats a good point too |
| 12:02.49 | holycow | hehe |
| 12:02.56 | peterS | MobyTurbo: maybe the .elc equivalent of s-expressions (: |
| 12:02.57 | findme_ | so whats the point in expressing <myass><onfire> and so on. |
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| 12:03.10 | netgod | holycow: XSLT does do a lot of cool things, problem is its NOT a programming language, so you always need some kind of wrapper around it to solve any real problem, which kindof defeats the purpose of having a transformation language |
| 12:03.13 | holycow | findme_, i would say that if all of /etc was in xml i'd not be using linux right now |
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| 12:03.34 | findme_ | well, the guys have to come up with something to make money i guess. |
| 12:03.41 | holycow | netgod, heh, *nod* |
| 12:03.42 | netgod | holycow: the basic idea of treating everything as structured XML is pretty powerful |
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| 12:04.34 | MobyTurbo | netgod: and the idea of editing everything as structured XML using vi is enough to give one nightmares. |
| 12:04.52 | raboof | is the dpkg-bot broken? `/msg dpkg wwsr' doesn't seem to get me a reply here |
| 12:04.58 | netol | hi |
| 12:05.07 | peterS | MobyTurbo: the point is to edit everything through fancy frontends like gconf-editor. vi is at that point made obsolete |
| 12:05.18 | MobyTurbo | dpkg: test |
| 12:05.18 | dpkg | No, mobyturbo, you're not online any more. |
| 12:05.29 | netgod | peterS: yes quite; XML has an exact representation in s-expressions; it turns out that SXSLT written in Scheme or Guile can process stuff easier than you could writing something in Java or C (IMO) |
| 12:05.38 | Penix | !tell raboof about wwsr |
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| 12:06.02 | raboof | Penix: strange, that works. |
| 12:06.14 | netgod | MobyTurbo: agreed, XML is best used to glue applications together, it should *not* be edited directly by humans, cause they'll probably get it wrong |
| 12:06.14 | peterS | raboof: you have to share at least one channel with dpkg or it will ignore you. since you just now joined #debian, I speculate that you tried to /msg dpkg without being in a channel it was in |
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| 12:06.43 | Maliuta | vi or vim? |
| 12:06.45 | Maliuta | oops |
| 12:06.46 | raboof | peterS: i'm here now, and it doesn't give me results.. |
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| 12:07.05 | peterS | raboof: odd. works for me. |
| 12:07.07 | netgod | MobyTurbo: heck humans cant even get basic HTML right, much less HTML 4 or XHTML |
| 12:07.19 | raboof | dpkg: wwsr |
| 12:07.20 | dpkg | Sarge will release WIR; SIYH. Current estimates are N+30 days, where N is when debian-security updates for sarge come online. See http://lists.debian.org/debian-devel-announce/2005/02/msg00010.html and http://lists.debian.org/debian-devel-announce/2004/12/msg00006.html Ask me about <sarge pool>, <wir>, <siyh>, <sarge guess> and <sing sarge>. |
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| 12:07.27 | raboof | doesn't ignore me in-channel :/ |
| 12:07.29 | xk | wwsr? |
| 12:07.37 | holycow | netgod, thats a good point, data exchange, i find it funny when people start using xml as data storage |
| 12:07.50 | peterS | netgod: and that's my problem with XML. the main differences between SGML and XML are to make it harder to write but easier to parse. for something intended to be human-editable, that's exactly a step in the wrong direction |
| 12:07.52 | raboof | no banana in privmsg. weird. |
| 12:08.02 | MobyTurbo | raboof: it works for me in /msg |
| 12:08.12 | MobyTurbo | raboof: I think the problem is in your end |
| 12:08.15 | xk | raboof: probably doesn't like you repeating. |
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| 12:08.24 | netgod | holycow: it kindof makes sense if its internal to your app, since you have a convenient xml library for every know language to read and write such files; just dont expect your user to edit the file |
| 12:08.35 | peterS | right |
| 12:09.04 | holycow | netgod, *nod* |
| 12:09.31 | peterS | and for *that* purpose, a compact binary representation with indexing and whatever is needed for efficient tokenisation would be much better than verbose text |
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| 12:09.58 | netgod | then again, theres also much to be said for storing data as s-expressions too; it all depends on what youre doing and how good you are at functional programming :-) |
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| 12:10.10 | peterS | I've heard of efforts to provide such a transformation, semantically equivalent to text-based XML |
| 12:10.15 | eddyp | dpkg wir |
| 12:10.15 | dpkg | [wir] When It's Ready. See also RSN and SIYH |
| 12:10.21 | peterS | seems like a fine idea |
| 12:10.31 | eddyp | dpkg siyh |
| 12:10.31 | dpkg | siyh is, like, Sooner If You Help, or see "wir" and "rsn" |
| 12:10.38 | queuetue | Would it be too drastic to consider running debian in UML under RHEL3 in order to reclaim som sanity, or will I just be inventing problems? :) |
| 12:10.39 | netgod | peterS: agreed |
| 12:11.05 | netgod | queuetue: heheh |
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| 12:11.14 | eddyp | dpkg gnome |
| 12:11.15 | dpkg | from memory, gnome is a desktop environment - see http://www.gnome.org. a little dwarf, or a race in d&d, or not the same as gtk but the gnome developers don't know that, or see #gnome-debian on irc.gnome.org, or not a window manager |
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| 12:11.25 | MobyTurbo | queuetue: Red Hat for gaining sanity? |
| 12:11.42 | xk | roothat |
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| 12:11.54 | queuetue | MobyTurbo, I'm stuck with RTHEL - i was asking about installing UML and debian to reclaim sanity. |
| 12:11.56 | peterS | MobyTurbo: I think he means he's forced to run on a RHEL server and wants to set up a little debian nest to do his real work in |
| 12:12.01 | netgod | MobyTurby: he has to run redhat due to corporate imperative, im guessing, but one can run debian inside with an emulator |
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| 12:12.03 | holycow | peterS, heh, perhaps just getting rid of the verbosity and using python like indentation? |
| 12:12.04 | holycow | hahaha |
| 12:12.08 | holycow | that could be fun :) |
| 12:12.12 | Aytac | i need help setuo debian ? |
| 12:12.28 | MobyTurbo | queuetue: sounds interesting. |
| 12:12.29 | peterS | holycow: indentation-based semantics is pretty awkward if you need to contain arbitrary text |
| 12:12.31 | Aytac | is any one avilable to help me? |
| 12:12.42 | queuetue | netgod, Not corporate imperatrive - not *my* corporation anyway. Hosting provider only provides RHEL BSD and windows... |
| 12:12.52 | holycow | peterS, hehe *nod* i was kidden |
| 12:13.01 | queuetue | And I'm considering Windows. :) |
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| 12:13.05 | netgod | holycow: indentation isnt enough; better to have some kind of delimiters like () |
| 12:13.08 | MobyTurbo | Aytac: first read the Debian installation guide on www.debian.org |
| 12:13.13 | eleusis | hi |
| 12:13.18 | peterS | holycow: right. seriously, though, it's one thing to force escaping of < as < or whatever, it's quite another to force escaping of leading whitespace on a line (: |
| 12:13.26 | netgod | holycow: that takes some effort to read, as anyone who runs emacs knows, but learning the style is worth it |
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| 12:13.37 | MobyTurbo | queuetue: I'd rather run BSD than RH |
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| 12:13.39 | aespinoza | does anyone know in what library is XextAddDisplay ? |
| 12:13.46 | peterS | aespinoza: libXext |
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| 12:14.00 | xk | eleusis: how's arachnet? |
| 12:14.04 | eleusis | i'm having trouble starting amarok on debian unstable :-\ the app starts up and freezes straight away |
| 12:14.07 | peterS | aespinoza: debian package 'xlibs' or 'libxext6', depending on debian release |
| 12:14.10 | aespinoza | peterrooney, hhaha damn.. I'm not so awake today, thanks. I should have tought of that. |
| 12:14.14 | eleusis | xk: you tell me :) |
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| 12:14.21 | peterS | aespinoza: if you're compiling something that needs that, 'xlibs-dev' or 'libxext-dev' |
| 12:14.23 | queuetue | MobyTurbo, How translatable are the skills? I've been a linux admin for a long time. but have not seen a non-apple bsd box in 10 years. |
| 12:14.27 | aespinoza | peterS, ok thanks. |
| 12:14.31 | Chameleon22 | can anyone recommed software that i could use to pop photos from web cam to my webserver like every second or something or even stream video or something liek that, basicly i want to be able to connect with any browser and watch remote the cam |
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| 12:15.09 | MobyTurbo | queuetue: it's similar, there are differences but not any too big. |
| 12:15.17 | aespinoza | peterS, something is wrong, I have those libraries installed. |
| 12:15.27 | holycow | netgod, hahaha, oh that style gives me goddamned headaches |
| 12:15.33 | aespinoza | peterS, I'm trying to build the xglx server glitz. |
| 12:15.43 | xk | Chameleon22: 25fps video? |
| 12:15.44 | aespinoza | peterS, but I'm having a hard time at it. |
| 12:15.47 | holycow | i haveto put { and } on separate lines to actually see the bloody code |
| 12:15.49 | peterS | aespinoza: you have libxext-dev installed? |
| 12:15.49 | Chameleon22 | xk: ? |
| 12:15.50 | holycow | perhaps more practice |
| 12:15.56 | netgod | depends on what skills youre talking about; BSD-anything is fairly hardcore, and will teach you how to make things work the hard way, manually, without convenient GNUisms; in that sense it makes you a better thinker, but not necessarily a faster admin once u get to Linux |
| 12:15.56 | aespinoza | peterS, yep. |
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| 12:16.01 | xk | Chameleon22: do you want 25 frames per second video? |
| 12:16.03 | netgod | then again, it may; who knows |
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| 12:16.18 | xk | Chameleon22: or do you want shitty 1 frame per second images reloaded in the browser? |
| 12:16.31 | visual_ | hey any1 knows how i install iceWM? |
| 12:16.35 | visual_ | im currently running gnome |
| 12:16.42 | Chameleon22 | xk: well i could try |
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| 12:16.45 | eleusis | apt-get install icewm ? :P |
| 12:16.45 | visual_ | but must i uninstall gnome b4? |
| 12:16.58 | visual_ | gnome is damn laggy for my p2 333mhz 64ram |
| 12:16.58 | netgod | visual: apt-get install icewm |
| 12:16.58 | peterS | aespinoza: I am unfamiliar with the thing you are trying to compile. what's the actual error message? like, how did you know it's an issue with XextAddDisplay? |
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| 12:17.10 | MobyTurbo | visual_: no |
| 12:17.14 | xk | Chameleon22: how much bandwidth do you have? is the webcam recognised as a v4l device? (ie: is there a driver for it) |
| 12:17.21 | queuetue | netgod, That's what I recall from 10 years ago - BSD is more stable, less convenient, and feels "older." But since "more stable" now means 9 nines instead of 6 nines - I don't need that kind of stability, really. :) |
| 12:17.25 | netgod | lol just the fact u have a desktop running in 64MB is a miracle these days |
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| 12:17.36 | visual_ | but gnome takes lots of HDD space wich i lack, does it uninstall gnome when i install icewm? |
| 12:17.47 | visual_ | netgod i know but its all i have |
| 12:17.47 | aespinoza | peterS, sorry error: /opt/fdo//lib/libglitz-glx.so: undefined reference to `XextAddDisplay' |
| 12:17.51 | netgod | visual_: no |
| 12:17.53 | xk | gnome needs like >512megs ram. |
| 12:17.56 | visual_ | netgod and i need to run desktop or my parents will rape me irl |
| 12:18.00 | peterS | aespinoza: link with -lxext |
| 12:18.03 | helix | wtf |
| 12:18.08 | visual_ | hmm but |
| 12:18.15 | Chameleon22 | xk: nfi man, just a usb web cam |
| 12:18.16 | peterS | aespinoza: also, if /opt/fdo/ actually means freedesktop.org, you might not want to mix XFree86 from Debian with that |
| 12:18.16 | visual_ | if i uninstall whole desktop env. packages |
| 12:18.20 | visual_ | and then install icewm |
| 12:18.22 | visual_ | does it work? |
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| 12:19.04 | MobyTurbo | visual_: icewm should find its own dependencies |
| 12:19.06 | xk | Chameleon22: well, how can you expect to get any output from the webcam? |
| 12:19.07 | arnouten | so if i update my sources.list to use `sarge' instead of `stable' and dist-upgrade, i'll `automatically' be running `stable' again when sarge turns stable, right? (wir) |
| 12:19.07 | netgod | visual_: yes |
| 12:19.11 | aespinoza | peterS, it does mean freedesktop. what is the problem with fdo ? |
| 12:19.25 | MobyTurbo | arnouten: yes |
| 12:19.30 | visual_ | good then i uninstall whole desktop shit, becoz i dont need openoffice, kalendar and organiser and other crap |
| 12:19.35 | Chameleon22 | xk: umm like any other cam lol |
| 12:19.42 | visual_ | i just want basic desktop env. and to download programs i use by myself :) |
| 12:19.44 | peterS | aespinoza: no problem. I'm assuming whatever it is you're compiling goes with the x.org X server, is all |
| 12:19.48 | visual_ | im a linux newbie but i sure hate windows |
| 12:19.57 | xk | Chameleon22: any other cam requires a driver. |
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| 12:20.00 | holycow | visual... i do that every time |
| 12:20.01 | nagual | yea, linux newbies usually do visual |
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| 12:20.03 | holycow | here is what you do: |
| 12:20.06 | holycow | 1. use d-i |
| 12:20.13 | aespinoza | peterS, damn, it is true :( I didn't check that... |
| 12:20.17 | visual_ | peterS btw thx for help yday i got my debian running fine now |
| 12:20.19 | holycow | 2. just install basic debian, don't check off anything like workstation |
| 12:20.26 | peterS | visual_: oh? cool |
| 12:20.42 | netgod | we're in a very visual culture right now; only the old-school people cut their teeth on 9600 baud modems and pure-text communication |
| 12:20.43 | visual_ | peterS just needs a little tuning wich i like |
| 12:20.43 | holycow | 3. on command line, login, apt-get install xserver-xfree86 xserver-common (ithink) |
| 12:20.51 | aespinoza | peterS, is there, anytime in the future, going to be xorg packages for debian ? |
| 12:20.56 | peterS | aespinoza: yes |
| 12:21.01 | visual_ | im sitting on terminal computer right now playing mud:/ |
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| 12:21.24 | MobyTurbo | holycow: x-windows-core + xterm or replacement + window manager |
| 12:21.25 | holycow | 4. when that is done, do apt-get install gnome-descktop-common (or whatever its called now, search the cache) and apt-get install gdm |
| 12:21.26 | arnouten | maybe i should. i like the `stable' idea, and i'm not so bothered by running slightly outdated stuff if it's well-tested. but man. woody was released almost 3 years ago now :/ |
| 12:21.27 | peterS | aespinoza: probably soon after sarge is released. packages may be *available* before that, but they won't be in the debian unstable archive |
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| 12:21.33 | holycow | that will get you just basic gnome |
| 12:21.35 | visual_ | netgod i got 100MBs net connection, T3 lightcable, but shit computer |
| 12:21.35 | aespinoza | peterS, ok, then I'll wait... I refuse to get into the pain of recompiling an X Window system. |
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| 12:21.39 | holycow | what MobyTurbo said :) |
| 12:21.42 | aespinoza | peterS, thanks for your time :D |
| 12:21.44 | MobyTurbo | x-window-system-core |
| 12:21.46 | peterS | aespinoza: for now, *they say* you can use ubuntu X packages and they work |
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| 12:21.55 | peterS | aespinoza: I haven't tried it, though |
| 12:22.00 | visual_ | holycow but i dont want gnome, i want icewm |
| 12:22.03 | holycow | MobyTurbo, *highfive* thats it |
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| 12:22.08 | visual_ | holycow icewm is lots quicker than gnome |
| 12:22.09 | holycow | okay, don't install gnome then |
| 12:22.16 | holycow | install icewm and gdm/kdm/xdm |
| 12:22.17 | netgod | im not sure whats holding up sarge release, cause its working great as an upgrade; maybe the installer is buggy |
| 12:22.18 | holycow | you have a choice |
| 12:22.22 | aespinoza | peterS, nah I prefer to wait. I won't risk my system at this point. I have a lot to work on... but thanks anyway |
| 12:22.22 | holycow | i don't see the problem |
| 12:22.29 | visual_ | holycow im thinking about downloading icewm and then erasing desktop env. |
| 12:22.30 | holycow | just don't check off workstation in d-i during install |
| 12:22.45 | peterS | aespinoza: heh. smart, really, not wanting to screw up your system with more unofficial stuff than necessary |
| 12:22.55 | visual_ | holycow what workstation gives? |
| 12:22.56 | MobyTurbo | visual_: there are some other low-resource window managers you might want to take a look at too. |
| 12:23.01 | holycow | gnome/kde |
| 12:23.14 | visual_ | MobyTurbo yeah but isnt icewm one of the best? |
| 12:23.33 | peterS | netgod: security updates are still holding it up a bit. release-critical bugs, although those seem to mostly be under control. final freeze and testing period. |
| 12:23.33 | aespinoza | peterS, don't get me wrong I really enjoy making a mess of my system and then putting it back toghether, but there is not enough time to screw around. :D |
| 12:23.34 | MobyTurbo | visual_: not IMHO, but others like it. |
| 12:23.35 | visual_ | MobyTurbo my gnome is running ok right now, but only prob is it lags a little bit, and i like things smooth & fast |
| 12:23.36 | holycow | visual_, not for me it's not, i wouldn't touch it with a 10 foot pole |
| 12:23.40 | peterS | aespinoza: hehe |
| 12:23.42 | netgod | i was always fond of fvwm95 |
| 12:23.45 | holycow | so depends on the user and your needs |
| 12:23.55 | xk | fvwm95 ;) I remember that |
| 12:24.01 | netgod | peterS: oic, thanks |
| 12:24.03 | visual_ | ok what do you think i should use as desktop? |
| 12:24.07 | MobyTurbo | visual_: I like windowmaker or fvwm2 |
| 12:24.13 | holycow | visual_, whatever YOU like |
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| 12:24.20 | queuetue | DAMN, I hate it when a provider forces me to be a corprate slave... |
| 12:24.20 | holycow | why are you asking other people what you should like? |
| 12:24.25 | holycow | this is debian try all of them |
| 12:24.25 | aespinoza | peterS, going to sleep now. Thanks for every thing |
| 12:24.29 | visual_ | i want speed, stability + nice looks:D |
| 12:24.29 | peterS | aespinoza: 'night |
| 12:24.33 | MobyTurbo | visual_: or if you want *really* minimal pwm |
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| 12:24.47 | holycow | visual_, just stop asking stupid questions like that and start installing :) |
| 12:24.54 | holycow | what you think is ugly i may think is beautiful |
| 12:24.56 | holycow | same with speed |
| 12:24.58 | holycow | ... etc. |
| 12:25.05 | visual_ | holycow i cant get to my comp till tomorrow |
| 12:25.10 | visual_ | holycow so im donig little research |
| 12:25.15 | visual_ | holycow im dying for knowledge:D |
| 12:25.27 | topa_ | hi, is the firefox package in unstable (1.0.1) built with the --build-for-pango ? |
| 12:25.42 | holycow | lol :) oh alrighty |
| 12:25.48 | cyberwise | Are there someone how speak french here? For help me? |
| 12:25.49 | topa_ | asking this because there seems to be a huge difference after I did a apt-get upgrade |
| 12:26.02 | MobyTurbo | !french |
| 12:26.02 | dpkg | Vous pouvez obtenir de l'aide sur Debian sur le canal #debian-fr - For help in french, please join #debian-fr |
| 12:26.04 | topa_ | !fr |
| 12:26.04 | dpkg | Les personnes qui parlent francais et qui ont besoin d'une aide a propos de Debian peuvent venir sur #debian-fr - People speaking french and in need of support for debian, please join #debian-fr |
| 12:26.10 | cyberwise | thx |
| 12:26.14 | xk | topa_: download the diff.gz and check it out |
| 12:26.40 | queuetue | Actually, ther eis no debian-fr .. there is a debian-france, tho. |
| 12:26.57 | airox | :/ |
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| 12:28.02 | topa_ | xk umm... how do I do that ? using apt-get or from the repository ? |
| 12:28.31 | MobyTurbo | topa_: apt-get source foo |
| 12:29.19 | MobyTurbo | topa_: and if you really want to build from source, build-dep too. |
| 12:29.19 | xk | topa_: wget http://ftp.debian.org/debian/pool/main/w/wine/wine_0.0.20050211-1.diff.gz, gunzip it... view it/edit. and search for configure. |
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| 12:29.42 | topa_ | MobyTurbo thanks but I think I'll get it from the repository rather than download the source |
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| 12:29.44 | togs | don't know if anybody remembers me from yesterday, but I got the debian box on the net! |
| 12:29.46 | topa_ | xk thanks |
| 12:30.08 | MobyTurbo | topa_: yeah, if all you want is the diff that makes sense. |
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| 12:30.29 | xk | actually. |
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| 12:30.35 | xk | I wasn't thinking right. |
| 12:30.37 | topa_ | MobyTurbo yeah |
| 12:30.41 | xk | topa_: hang, wrong url :) |
| 12:30.47 | sfinks | I've crashed XP, installed Debian on a seperate partition, got Thunderbird installed and now need to import the .dbx and .wab files into thunderbird. but Thunderbird doesn't do that. Any clues? |
| 12:31.13 | topa_ | xk np I'm backtracking the URL :) |
| 12:31.28 | xk | topa_: http://ftp.debian.org/debian/pool/main/m/mozilla-firefox/mozilla-firefox_1.0.1-2.diff.gz |
| 12:31.43 | xk | topa_: I was dealing with wine a few seconds ago and forgot that you wanted firefox :) |
| 12:31.43 | topa_ | ahh that's great xk thanks |
| 12:31.49 | MobyTurbo | sfinks: I think evolution can do tat sort of thing, not that I reccomend it - it's a bit bloated. |
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| 12:31.55 | topa_ | k np |
| 12:32.04 | xk | 82k for that one. |
| 12:32.05 | holycow | sfinks, export to tab delimited format from outlook |
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| 12:32.22 | holycow | .dbx and .wab are proprietary undocumented formats from what i remember |
| 12:32.31 | sfinks | holycow - I have no windows system now - just the raw files |
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| 12:32.55 | holycow | let me check evolution |
| 12:33.14 | holycow | if you can import into evo, evo will convert to mailbox format or whatever it is, then you can import that |
| 12:33.36 | sfinks | sounds ok - |
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| 12:34.04 | holycow | evolution imports .mbx format only :/ |
| 12:34.21 | sfinks | yep just found that too... :-/ |
| 12:34.22 | TheStar | I am *sure* google will reveal quite a few converters. |
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| 12:34.31 | sfinks | not to me :-/ |
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| 12:34.35 | holycow | what TheStar said |
| 12:34.36 | holycow | hehe :) |
| 12:34.44 | sfinks | theyare all written for windows |
| 12:34.59 | netgod | thats how M$ maintains its stranglehold on corporate america -- proprietary email (a mission-critical application) |
| 12:35.01 | sfinks | nothing written in *nix |
| 12:35.15 | TheStar | sfinks, Try a "linux" keyword. |
| 12:35.19 | netgod | without Outlook, most executives wouldnt know what to do with themselves |
| 12:35.19 | helix | mmm, email |
| 12:35.36 | holycow | sfinks, crossover office will install outlook :/ |
| 12:35.36 | MobyTurbo | sfinks: apt-get install readpst? |
| 12:35.42 | holycow | maybe try that? |
| 12:35.45 | holycow | netgod, heh :) |
| 12:35.56 | luite | hm, strange. the windows version of thunderbird can import outlook and outlook express mail. is that a windows only feature? |
| 12:36.06 | TheStar | Netcraft, The calendar integration of Outlook is far more useful than most people realize. |
| 12:36.09 | sfinks | doen theluite - yes it seems to be |
| 12:36.18 | netgod | TheStar: yes |
| 12:36.20 | holycow | luite, probably using some windows native library |
| 12:36.26 | TheStar | luite, I would suspect that Thunderbird uses the native libraries... |
| 12:36.28 | netgod | we need to duplicate that functionality |
| 12:36.51 | TheStar | netgod, I am interested in developing a replacement. |
| 12:36.54 | netgod | which means it could in theory work on linux too -- at one point, DivX on linux worled by simply running the actual windows DLLs |
| 12:36.56 | holycow | TheStar, evolution is being ported to windows appearently so maybe we will see some people using a few other tools eventually |
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| 12:37.02 | TheStar | netgod, But I'm starting with the server first. |
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| 12:37.23 | TheStar | ho1ywind, That'd be great. Hopefully I could get apop authentication... |
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| 12:37.59 | MobyTurbo | TheStar: fetchmail can do apop |
| 12:38.13 | TheStar | MobyTurbo, Yes, but it doesn't run on windows! |
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| 12:39.08 | MobyTurbo | TheStar: I see. Sorry, haven't been following the whole thread, I'm looking at an apt-get that's almost ready. :-) |
| 12:39.12 | sfinks | Hmmm Crossover office seems to be buyware :-/ |
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| 12:39.21 | peterS | sfinks: yes indeed |
| 12:39.24 | brosio | exist a graphical interface for latex in qt or gtk ? |
| 12:39.26 | BleSS | could i use acpi in all systems? or it needs a bios with support acpi |
| 12:39.28 | peterS | sfinks: that's how codeweavers makes money |
| 12:39.35 | brosio | i found teTeX but is only on console |
| 12:39.40 | peterS | brosio: probably LyX |
| 12:39.42 | holycow | sfinks, it's worth it, however you can try wine first |
| 12:39.47 | peterS | brosio: it's got a qt version |
| 12:39.48 | TheStar | brosio, Sortof. |
| 12:39.59 | netgod | its possible to make money with support and customization, as jboss group does, but thats rare |
| 12:40.00 | TheStar | brosio, Investigate Lyx. |
| 12:40.16 | MobyTurbo | brosio: Lyx or TeXmacs |
| 12:40.27 | brosio | thx |
| 12:40.30 | peterS | brosio: as you will discover doing 'apt-cache search LyX qt', the debian package is called lyx-qt (: |
| 12:40.33 | netgod | more likely, a company pays the programmer to solve some other, more general problem, and the free software is a side-effect |
| 12:40.49 | eleusis | grr |
| 12:41.03 | eleusis | *what* is wrong with amarok >_< |
| 12:41.04 | brosio | good thx all |
| 12:41.30 | TheStar | netgod, And what is wrong with that? Money does need to be moved. |
| 12:41.47 | MobyTurbo | or lyx-xforms |
| 12:42.22 | netgod | TheStar: nothing; either model is preferable to producing closed-source software and demanding tribute, if youre a diehard idealist |
| 12:42.29 | peterS | MobyTurbo: well, the problem with lyx-xforms is that it uses xforms |
| 12:42.57 | netgod | TheStar: at least, until we as a planet can evolve beyond needing money |
| 12:43.07 | TheStar | netgod, Closed source has it's uses. |
| 12:43.21 | MobyTurbo | peterS: I don't mind the interface too much, but then again I was never a Qt fan. |
| 12:43.32 | netgod | yes, not everyone is a free software idealist |
| 12:43.41 | yOKa | Can i convert rpm files to debian installation files? |
| 12:43.48 | caphuso | yOKa: /msg dpkg alien |
| 12:43.52 | netgod | yOKa: yes, install alien |
| 12:43.53 | peterS | MobyTurbo: I'm not a user of either lyx variant. and not a qt fan, but even less an xforms fan (: |
| 12:44.06 | netgod | hehehe |
| 12:44.10 | helix | the xforms interface is 10x worse than the qt one |
| 12:44.17 | MobyTurbo | peterS: texmacs would be good if it weren't so slow. |
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| 12:44.41 | RQ | [-www_krutas_com is a warez-advertising bot ;/ |
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| 12:44.44 | peterS | MobyTurbo: I haven't had to do anything texwise for a very long time, so I haven't investigated texmacs |
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| 12:45.12 | *** mode/#Debian [-o helix] by helix |
| 12:45.14 | *** mode/#Debian [-o xk] by xk |
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| 12:45.35 | RQ | thanks xk |
| 12:45.41 | holycow | heh |
| 12:45.46 | holycow | warez bot in a linux channel |
| 12:45.48 | helix | :( |
| 12:45.50 | helix | !win xk |
| 12:45.50 | holycow | thats funny |
| 12:45.50 | peterS | RQ: use the !ops command next time. this time obviously xk saw your line, but the usual way to tell ops about something is: !ops [-www_krutas_com is a spambot |
| 12:45.50 | dpkg | Congratulations, xk! You have won the US presidency! |
| 12:45.51 | RQ | yeah |
| 12:45.56 | RQ | and from Lithuania |
| 12:46.08 | RQ | shame on me ;/ |
| 12:46.08 | xk | holycow: hey - I saw redhat being offered as warez 7 years ago :) |
| 12:46.14 | RQ | peterS, OK :) |
| 12:46.24 | netgod | now that we have conglomerate (XML), scribus (PDF) inkscape (SVG) and gimp (everything else), i dont see a big need for classic TeX unless you absolutely have to incorporate math or communicate with academic journals |
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| 12:46.34 | queuetue | i saw a gentoo keygen offered a few weeks ago. |
| 12:46.41 | zimnyx | i need sendmail to make php 'mail()' work. with package as i supposed to install? (there are a few providing sendmail). |
| 12:46.48 | holycow | xk, hehehe :) |
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| 12:46.54 | netgod | zimnyx: postfix |
| 12:46.59 | TheStar | netgod, For "everybody" software, opensource is excellent. |
| 12:47.00 | peterS | queuetue: that's funny |
| 12:47.01 | RQ | peterS, where do i report that to ircops? |
| 12:47.04 | zimnyx | netgod: thanks |
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| 12:47.10 | netgod | zimnyx: you could install the one named "sendmail" but ... you'd probably regret it :-) |
| 12:47.15 | peterS | RQ: ircops hang out in #freenode |
| 12:47.19 | TheStar | netgod, Although, I just wish that opensoruce software was more portable, and more userfriendly. |
| 12:47.19 | holycow | xk, funny how redhat warez realy are irrelevant to redhat as their customers pay for service and support rather than licencing per se |
| 12:47.31 | peterS | RQ: but that channel is protected against random spammers by requiring someone to manually voice you before you can talk |
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| 12:47.42 | RQ | hm :) |
| 12:47.42 | peterS | RQ: anyway, !ops reaches all the #debian ops |
| 12:47.44 | netgod | holycow: heh yes |
| 12:47.50 | saloxin | any good way to clean existing mbox with spamassassin? |
| 12:47.56 | helix | not _all_ of us |
| 12:47.58 | caphuso | all those that are looking |
| 12:48.02 | helix | some no longer exist |
| 12:48.11 | peterS | helix: eh? which #debian ops aren't listed in the ops factoid? |
| 12:48.22 | peterS | and why not? |
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| 12:48.37 | helix | I mean there are too many listed |
| 12:48.40 | peterS | so? |
| 12:48.41 | helix | like doogie or something |
| 12:48.47 | netgod | salixin: use formail (part of procmail) to re-process your mailbox, sending it to yourself again |
| 12:48.50 | Gh0sty | doesn't debian / linux in general support irq sharing? seems when i add more then 3 pci cards in my motherboad it can't for example assign a network ip if the 4'th device is a nic, or can't recognize hdd's if its an ata card ... |
| 12:48.51 | helix | well, it doesn't reach all the ops if not all the ops are in the channel |
| 12:49.19 | saloxin | netgod: ah thanks |
| 12:49.20 | peterS | helix: I hoped that much was implied by common sense. not every irc user is even logged in at all times |
| 12:49.30 | PerfDave | peterS: Slackers! |
| 12:49.30 | helix | I can get pedantic if I want to |
| 12:49.40 | peterS | I know you can |
| 12:49.52 | netgod | pedants unite! :-) |
| 12:49.53 | peterS | (do I ever) |
| 12:49.57 | helix | heh |
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| 12:50.49 | peterS | PerfDave: any service that promises to reach all of a group of people immediately, at any time, 24 hours a day, is probably lying to you |
| 12:50.55 | yOKa | Thanks for alien |
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| 12:51.14 | Catsby | peterS, what about a service that implants tiny little exploding microchips into people's teeth? |
| 12:51.17 | jariep1_ | what repository do I use for kde 3.2? |
| 12:51.28 | m4lu6 | "crosslinked" files can happen in ext2 fs: True or False? |
| 12:51.32 | helix | aw, but we like nice teeth |
| 12:51.34 | peterS | Catsby: that might be hard to manage without the people's consent |
| 12:51.37 | caphuso | m4lu6: "crosslinked"? |
| 12:51.39 | MobyTurbo | jariep1_: none, sarge has 3.3 now |
| 12:51.42 | Catsby | Who said anything about consent? : o) |
| 12:51.51 | netgod | heh |
| 12:51.54 | m4lu6 | caphuso, well, i can't really figure a better term for what's happening on one of my HD's |
| 12:51.55 | xk | m4lu6: ln? :) can happen naturally. |
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| 12:52.18 | peterS | helix: that's ok, we're talking about the ops. you don't have to look at the ops |
| 12:52.18 | jariep1_ | MobyTurbo, do you know the date when it switched? |
| 12:52.32 | netgod | m4lux: there are two kinds of such links, "hard" and "soft" (symbolic); unix could do that years before windows |
| 12:52.36 | helix | good thing, they're all ugly |
| 12:52.46 | MobyTurbo | jariep1_: no... Search the mailing lists |
| 12:52.48 | m4lu6 | what's happening, in a nutshell, is I play an Mp3 which i think to be say, Vanhalen Eruption.mp3, and instead, i hear Phish - Maze.mp3 |
| 12:53.00 | m4lu6 | quite a few of these scattered throughout my fs |
| 12:53.01 | xk | m4lu6: how old is the hd? |
| 12:53.10 | m4lu6 | 2, maybe 3 years |
| 12:53.12 | peterS | helix: oh, I'd only ever heard one op tell one other op she was ugly. I didn't realise that opinion was so reflexive and commutative |
| 12:53.12 | netgod | m4lu6: have you forced an e2fsck? |
| 12:53.16 | xk | m4lu6: maybe the riaa has infected your system. |
| 12:53.22 | helix | it's not |
| 12:53.22 | m4lu6 | netgod, yeah. just this morning. clean. |
| 12:53.28 | helix | I don't know if they're all ugly |
| 12:53.30 | helix | bob2 is lovely |
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| 12:53.34 | netgod | xk: i hate it when that happens |
| 12:53.41 | m4lu6 | xk, i'd believe that if these weren't files i actually pulled from my own CDs :) |
| 12:53.46 | xk | trying to think if it has happened to me. |
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| 12:54.45 | yOKa | My linux box wont start x .. help |
| 12:54.46 | xk | I've had a kernel-rootkit like behaviour... but that was when I ran smartmontools on a pre-smart device :) |
| 12:54.47 | m4lu6 | the only thing i can think is that it was during the orignal copy from my Mac -> Linux box during my "Rip the whole archive to mp3!" marathon i did back in 2002 |
| 12:54.52 | TheStar | I still wonder why Evolution bundles the calender into the same program as email, though... |
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| 12:55.19 | m4lu6 | just wondering, though, if somehow an inode got fr0tzed here, one there, etc |
| 12:55.38 | xk | m4lu6: how many mp3s does it look like it happened to? |
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| 12:55.51 | xk | specific to a directory? random all over? |
| 12:55.54 | m4lu6 | xk, hard to say, really. 10 or so that i know of, but there may be more |
| 12:56.11 | xk | got id3 tags on the mp3 files? |
| 12:56.21 | m4lu6 | with 10k+ on this one HD, it's hard to tell. it's an archive of all my music, and i don't necessarily listen to most of it |
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| 12:56.38 | xk | should run an mp3 renamer on all of them ;) |
| 12:56.41 | m4lu6 | xk, good point |
| 12:57.07 | m4lu6 | well, not really a good point from a data-integrity stanpoint, but it's a file-by-file fix, |
| 12:57.25 | m4lu6 | but exactly *why* it happened, i guess i will never know. doesn't matter. i plan on re-ripping the borked stuff today anyhow |
| 12:57.28 | helix | TheStar: a solid calendar *only* app would be so nice. |
| 12:57.51 | TheStar | helix, I will investigate developing one. |
| 12:58.00 | helix | that was easy |
| 12:58.01 | TheStar | helix, It can't be that hard... (Except for the server bit) |
| 12:58.07 | bob2 | I am indeed lovely |
| 12:58.18 | asuffield | bob2: narcissist |
| 12:58.23 | peterS | bob2: yeah, I've seen bob2.jpg |
| 12:58.24 | helix | I only want a local one anyway |
| 12:58.29 | xk | m4lu6: I'd most probably blame the mac -> linux copy, instead of corruption of some sort. |
| 12:58.38 | TheStar | helix, There are already local calender apps... |
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| 12:58.44 | helix | TheStar: non-sucky ones? |
| 12:58.44 | m4lu6 | xk, that's what my gut says, some kind samba snafu |
| 12:58.45 | zyv | hi everyone !! I work with 1024x768 resolution on X but when i try to work in 800x600 by key combination "ctrl alt +" I get 800x600 but with a virtual screen of 1024x768, what changes i need to make on XF86Config-4 to get real 800x600 with no virtual screen ? |
| 12:58.50 | TheStar | helix, Yes. |
| 12:58.56 | helix | there is korganizer which I... well... |
| 12:58.57 | helix | no |
| 12:59.03 | helix | and sunbird which isn't in debian |
| 12:59.06 | helix | what else? |
| 12:59.18 | asuffield | sunbird is shit anyway |
| 12:59.22 | xk | m4lu6: should have used rsync or scp, or even lftp over http mirror |
| 12:59.28 | TheStar | helix, Well, there's that gnome one, etc. ical is *too* old, so neglect that one. |
| 12:59.36 | helix | TheStar: eh, which gnome one? |
| 12:59.44 | OleMoudi | any program for downsampling from mp3 to mp3 ? |
| 12:59.50 | TheStar | I can't remember, haven't actually used a linux desktop for almost 6 months. |
| 12:59.52 | m4lu6 | xk, shoulda-coulda-woulda |
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| 13:00.00 | xk | m4lu6: for next time :) |
| 13:00.09 | m4lu6 | won't be a next time. it was a one-time deal |
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| 13:00.11 | caphuso | OleMoudi: lame, but you really should reencode the original |
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| 13:00.15 | m4lu6 | but i get your point |
| 13:00.20 | jim | helix: oh good... any you like? |
| 13:00.25 | zyv | hi everyone !! I work with 1024x768 resolution on X but when i try to work in 800x600 by key combination "ctrl alt +" I get 800x600 but with a virtual screen of 1024x768, what changes i need to make on XF86Config-4 to get real 800x600 with no virtual screen ? |
| 13:00.27 | xk | playboy calendar |
| 13:00.28 | helix | jim: no, they all suck |
| 13:00.34 | helix | thus my whining |
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| 13:00.42 | asuffield | "calendar girls of Debian" |
| 13:00.42 | xk | zyv: remove 1024x768 from your modes list. |
| 13:00.55 | xk | zyv: X uses virtual set to the maximum resolution you can do. |
| 13:00.57 | peterS | asuffield: you could find 12? (: |
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| 13:01.00 | netgod | asuffield: now that is something that shoud be done |
| 13:01.03 | helix | there are 12 of us |
| 13:01.05 | m4lu6 | ughg. seeing paris hilton on the cover this month made me want to slap the shit out of Hef |
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| 13:01.09 | helix | tyvm |
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| 13:01.10 | Catsby | "Modes", zyv. Make the first and heighest one 800x600 |
| 13:01.12 | asuffield | peterS: could include Overfiend |
| 13:01.15 | jim | helix: is asuffield implying you are a calendar girl of debian?! |
| 13:01.16 | peterS | asuffield: ahh. point. |
| 13:01.21 | Catsby | Under section "Screen" |
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| 13:01.26 | peterS | helix: well, 12 who would consent to being in a calendar |
| 13:01.27 | helix | jim: he wouldn't do that |
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| 13:01.42 | helix | peterS: oh, heh. there aren't any of those :) |
| 13:02.12 | jim | whew... smarter than I thought :) |
| 13:02.12 | Aytac | uncompressing linux <<<< then freeze HEEEEEEEEEEEELP |
| 13:02.19 | asuffield | helix: none? I think one or two might be talked into it :P |
| 13:02.27 | helix | asuffield: eh, really? |
| 13:02.28 | helix | hmm |
| 13:02.36 | MobyTurbo | Aytac: do you have a kernel that needs an initrd? |
| 13:02.46 | xk | MobyTurbo: that would be too early for initrd |
| 13:02.54 | helix | I would be very sad if that were the case |
| 13:03.13 | Aytac | i dont know initrd but kernel is 2.6 |
| 13:03.19 | MobyTurbo | xk: yeah, you're right, I was thinking about when it showed dots |
| 13:03.19 | asuffield | helix: why? |
| 13:03.22 | peterS | helix: well, there's sachac (: |
| 13:03.23 | xk | Aytac: did it used to work before? |
| 13:03.27 | jim | helix: wouldn't that depend on what they were wearing? |
| 13:03.32 | Aytac | no |
| 13:03.41 | Aytac | first time setup |
| 13:03.46 | helix | asuffield: because it would betray everything I know about them :P |
| 13:03.51 | xk | what system? |
| 13:03.52 | Aytac | after restart it frezee |
| 13:03.54 | caphuso | last cosmopolitan i've read had an article about the fact, that more and more women are enjoying exhibitionism |
| 13:03.58 | jim | I think you're assuming bikini or less |
| 13:04.04 | xk | so I presume you installed from cdrom and that worked? |
| 13:04.11 | helix | jim: that's sort of what being a calendar girl implies |
| 13:04.34 | jim | well ok, so we get the swedish bikini team... |
| 13:04.43 | asuffield | helix: some people happen to like doing that sort of thing :P |
| 13:05.09 | helix | asuffield: oh, I know that. now that I think of it, yeah, there's at least one... |
| 13:05.11 | jim | but it could also work to show women using linux/debian in some professional app |
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| 13:05.54 | netgod | thing is, the more geeky and intellectual the girl is, the more likely it is that she would secretly like to be considered sexy as well as smart; talking such a girl into undressing is not as hard as one would suppose from her raw IQ score |
| 13:06.02 | helix | netgod: that is so not true |
| 13:06.13 | helix | netgod: you have no idea how much male attention female geeks get |
| 13:06.28 | netgod | average girls who have to make an effort to think, are more offended by being considered merely a sex object -- it hits them where they live |
| 13:06.30 | TheStar | netgod, It's like 100 to one here :( |
| 13:06.34 | jim | but is all male attention unwanted? |
| 13:06.45 | asuffield | helix: they usually enjoy it :P |
| 13:06.48 | TheStar | netgod, Infact, there are *NO* girls in my course. |
| 13:06.54 | peterS | asuffield: heh, you would know (: |
| 13:07.00 | netgod | helix: well it depends on the environment of course |
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| 13:07.05 | asuffield | peterS: hey, I've harassed most of them |
| 13:07.09 | peterS | exactly |
| 13:07.15 | peterS | and they keep coming back for more |
| 13:07.15 | helix | asuffield: we keep most of them hidden from you, actually |
| 13:07.20 | helix | since you can't control yourself |
| 13:07.36 | asuffield | I'm quite capable of controlling myself, I just see no reason to bother |
| 13:07.41 | helix | heh |
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| 13:07.46 | zimnyx | i have ADSL connection with dynamic IP, and dDNS. how do i need to configure postix to be able to send emails from my box? (what option) |
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| 13:07.52 | TheStar | Although, it is my opinion that girls crave companionship more than just a boyfriend. |
| 13:08.06 | asuffield | most of them just want attention |
| 13:08.08 | jim | I'm not warring :P I'm listening to opinions and expressing my own |
| 13:08.10 | Rawplayer | whats a girl? |
| 13:08.16 | TheStar | zimnyx, Get it to forward to the isp's mailserver. |
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| 13:08.27 | peterS | asuffield: I wouldn't generalise that far, but certainly there are plenty who fit that bill |
| 13:08.33 | jim | Rawplayer: being a player, you should know that part :) |
| 13:08.46 | Rawplayer | k |
| 13:08.47 | TheStar | zimnyx, Setting up mailserver on a dynamic ip address to accept email is NOT ideal, for technical reasons. |
| 13:08.55 | netgod | zimnyx: if you hardcode /etc/mailname, it should work -- whether your ISP actually allows you to connect out on port 25 is another story (some block it due to spammer abuse) |
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| 13:09.10 | InitMass | i've got a 4.9kb .jpg image that i would like to use as an avatar in gaim. i have set it but no one can see it. what to do? |
| 13:09.16 | netgod | zimnyx: to receive mail on Dyndns is much harder |
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| 13:09.41 | jim | forexample (of me not warring) I"m not saying "Hey helix, you have to think like I do"; instead I'd rather say "Hey helix, what do you think really?" |
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| 13:09.53 | TheStar | netgod, Impossible, securely. |
| 13:10.06 | netgod | TheStar: true |
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| 13:10.28 | peterS | jim: how's that different from interacting with anyone else? |
| 13:10.31 | netgod | fetchmail is your friend |
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| 13:10.52 | zimnyx | netgod: TheStar: i just want to send emails from my box, i don't care about incoming mail. |
| 13:11.01 | jim | peterS: exactly my point... I'm discussing with and just like everyone else |
| 13:11.06 | helix | "I'm a spammer" |
| 13:11.10 | netgod | zimnyx: try it and see |
| 13:11.51 | TheStar | zimnyx, Then just set it to forward the email to your ISP's emailserver, just like your email client would. |
| 13:11.54 | netgod | zimnyx: worst case, you'll have to tell postfix to forward everything to your ISP's server, but thats easily doable (though less private) |
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| 13:12.07 | paulswm | helix: you've hit the nail on the head I think |
| 13:12.20 | helix | why would anyone not want incoming mail also? |
| 13:12.25 | paulswm | Exactly |
| 13:12.29 | helix | "I just want to SEND email" is so suspicious |
| 13:12.34 | TheStar | netgod, It's preferable, even, particularly if you don't have reverseDNS setup. |
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| 13:12.44 | TheStar | helix, He's probably doing it for logging. |
| 13:12.57 | asuffield | helix: nobody else has anything worthwhile to say anyway |
| 13:12.58 | peterS | helix: I can't seem to connect to port 25 of your machine |
| 13:13.01 | peterS | helix: are you a spammer? |
| 13:13.05 | zimnyx | netgod: am i to set this forwarding up in postfix config? |
| 13:13.13 | m4lu6 | i ran my in/out mailserver on this box for years thru dyndns. damned isp shut off outbound. |
| 13:13.16 | helix | peterS: I use fetchmail :P he said he didn't want to use that |
| 13:13.25 | m4lu6 | i was no spammer. bastards. |
| 13:13.28 | asuffield | fetchmail does suck the grand goat |
| 13:13.31 | PerfDave | I send mail through my ISP's server to avoid dial-up RBL problems. |
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| 13:13.41 | netgod | zimnyx: yes if its needed; i.e. if your outgoing port 25 appears to be blocked (you can use telnet something 25 to check) |
| 13:13.46 | TheStar | helix, If he's trying to spam, then he's not going to get past many of the blocks that are in place, if he doens't even know how to setup an email server. |
| 13:13.51 | hyksos | hi, when i want to rebuild a installed package, what is the debian way todo it? switch to /usr/local, apt-get source package, build and isntall? |
| 13:13.51 | PerfDave | If I want security, I use GnuPG, I don't rely on security through obscurity. |
| 13:13.52 | peterS | helix: presumably he uses direct pop access from a mail client, then |
| 13:13.56 | helix | TheStar: heh |
| 13:14.06 | jim | TheStar: spammers are a LOT more numerous than people who know enough to set up logging in that way, or are willing to learn or read about it |
| 13:14.08 | PerfDave | hyksos: Read the APT HOWTO |
| 13:14.09 | TheStar | helix, Well, that's only partially true... But anyway, I'm getting too tired. |
| 13:14.09 | zimnyx | netgod: i got all ports opened. |
| 13:14.17 | helix | peterS: he just said "i just want to send emails from my box, i don't care about incoming mail" |
| 13:14.25 | nksen_ | what should I do if I wanna umount a drive and get 'device is busy' and 'lsof /dev/device' gives no output? how can I determine which process blockates the umount? |
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| 13:14.45 | xk | nksen_: lsof -n | grep /mountpoint is what I usually do. |
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| 13:15.04 | TheStar | Although I guess I can see how this could be suspicious. |
| 13:15.22 | nksen_ | xk: a great, thx |
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| 13:16.00 | xirtam | is anjuta in sid broken? |
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| 13:16.55 | PerfDave | xirtam: Check the BTS |
| 13:17.11 | m4lu6 | xirtam, dunno. is it? |
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| 13:17.39 | xirtam | (anjuta:9802): Gtk-CRITICAL **: gtk_widget_hide: assertion `GTK_IS_WIDGET (widget)' failed |
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| 13:17.54 | dacer | hi, anyone know any "source" to apt, to get GNOME 2.10 ? |
| 13:17.54 | xirtam | i didn't upgrade in the last time ... it was wonderful working ... |
| 13:18.14 | Flimzy | dacer: see the topic |
| 13:18.14 | xirtam | m4lu6: looks like ;-( |
| 13:18.37 | MobyTurbo | dacer: Ubuntu Pre-Release Hoary has it, but I wouldn't reccomend mixing repositories. |
| 13:19.05 | dacer | Flimzy. ok, sorry |
| 13:19.19 | dacer | gnome 2.10 has not been packaged yet |
| 13:19.24 | helix | TheStar: that's very astute of you :P |
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| 13:20.14 | MobyTurbo | helix: note how he shut up after we started suspecting him of being a spammer. |
| 13:20.29 | helix | tsk |
| 13:21.40 | helix | ~test |
| 13:21.42 | apt | Test Failed! |
| 13:21.47 | helix | :( |
| 13:22.00 | MobyTurbo | helix: dpkg and apt are here |
| 13:22.05 | helix | dpkg is back? |
| 13:22.10 | helix | I just spoke to apt |
| 13:22.18 | MobyTurbo | helix: yep |
| 13:22.25 | MobyTurbo | dpkg: test |
| 13:22.25 | dpkg | No, mobyturbo, you're not online any more. |
| 13:22.25 | helix | dpkg: foo |
| 13:22.25 | dpkg | hmm... foo is the first metasyntactic variable, it's a placeholder for some other term. see <http://www.catb.org/esr/jargon/html/F/foo.html>, or bar, or insert new factoid here, or not food, or ask me about 'Mr. T' |
| 13:22.28 | helix | woo |
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| 13:24.14 | nima | hi all |
| 13:24.23 | Rawplayer | HI |
| 13:24.27 | nima | can some1 help me pls? |
| 13:24.46 | nima | i need to edit lilo.conf but when i try it it always says permission denied |
| 13:24.55 | xk | nima: as root? |
| 13:24.58 | nima | yes |
| 13:24.59 | xirtam | hmm no bugs reported about that, just for amd64 .. ;-( |
| 13:25.06 | m4lu6 | you using sudo? |
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| 13:25.13 | nima | no |
| 13:25.16 | xk | nima: ls -la /etc/lilo.conf |
| 13:25.17 | m4lu6 | whoami? |
| 13:25.22 | xk | nima: id |
| 13:25.56 | xk | mount | grep device_mounted_as_/ |
| 13:26.23 | jim | hi there nima |
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| 13:26.52 | nima | so what am i suposed to do now? :] |
| 13:26.59 | nima | im a totaly noob |
| 13:27.02 | xk | nima: run the commands I told you to. |
| 13:27.10 | nima | ls -la... ? |
| 13:27.13 | xk | yes |
| 13:27.17 | jim | nima: what is the full exact text of the message? |
| 13:27.19 | nima | did it |
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| 13:27.26 | xk | nima: and paste output. (one line) |
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| 13:27.37 | xk | and "id" aswell. |
| 13:27.39 | bob2 | lord |
| 13:27.44 | intero | is there a way to prevent a module to be autoloaded on startup? |
| 13:27.44 | jim | nima: don't you work with openacs |
| 13:27.46 | xk | as the user you tried to edit lilo.conf |
| 13:27.46 | jim | ? |
| 13:27.50 | nima | -rw-r------ 1root root 4105... |
| 13:27.51 | bob2 | the problem is that he/she is editing as a normal user |
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| 13:28.01 | xk | nima: can't you paste the line as-is with a mouse? |
| 13:28.08 | nima | no im trying edit it as a su |
| 13:28.23 | nima | no i cant paste... its another pc |
| 13:28.34 | xk | no network connection? |
| 13:28.36 | jim | nima: don't you work with openacs? |
| 13:28.59 | nima | i dont even know what openacs is :D |
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| 13:29.14 | nima | no network... |
| 13:29.21 | iwinds | hi |
| 13:29.27 | jim | oh ok |
| 13:29.28 | iwinds | to everybody |
| 13:29.34 | jim | then you're not the same nima |
| 13:29.41 | xk | give the network connection to linux from windows ;) |
| 13:29.47 | iwinds | i have a very strange problem |
| 13:30.05 | iwinds | init proc is using 99% of cpu |
| 13:30.21 | iwinds | i dont know why |
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| 13:30.39 | netgod | jim: heh arsdigita seems to have been taken over by a search engine |
| 13:30.47 | jim | iwinds: start spewing details and facts |
| 13:30.59 | jim | netgod: redhat bought arsdigita |
| 13:31.13 | netgod | ah yes thats right |
| 13:31.18 | nima | maybe my problem is that the line looks like this: debian:/home/sperm# and sperm is a normal user :] |
| 13:31.21 | m4lu6 | hehe. that'll teach me. |
| 13:31.22 | jim | in a very strange twist of events |
| 13:31.55 | xk | nima: well, you should be able to edit and save lilo.conf with that shell. |
| 13:31.57 | helix | what the |
| 13:31.58 | jim | nima: no thats where you are not who you are |
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| 13:32.14 | nima | oh so |
| 13:32.37 | nima | so why can i not edit the lilo.conf file? :( |
| 13:32.53 | jim | nima: could the file be in use? |
| 13:33.05 | xk | jim: that's windows ;) |
| 13:33.27 | xk | and it would only happen when the file is being written to. |
| 13:33.27 | jim | hmm, ok,,, it was worth a shot in the dark |
| 13:33.28 | nima | i dont think so... |
| 13:33.33 | m4lu6 | whoami |
| 13:33.44 | m4lu6 | run it. |
| 13:33.45 | jim | m4lu6: m4lu6 |
| 13:33.47 | m4lu6 | damnit. |
| 13:33.48 | m4lu6 | :) |
| 13:33.50 | xk | hah |
| 13:34.34 | xk | anyone have problems with powernowd on an athlon system? |
| 13:34.46 | xk | it seems to randomly bork itself and not downclock any more |
| 13:35.15 | xk | well... the kernel driver rather than the userland side of things |
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| 13:37.01 | sfinks | well readpst does just that reads the pst folders, but not .dbx or .wab files |
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| 13:37.28 | sfinks | any better ideas on reading the raw files into a *nix mail client |
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| 13:41.37 | zimnyx | Thanks! posfix is finally working. |
| 13:41.41 | xk | why does debian.org refer to an unofficial netboot iso that is an encrypted zip? |
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| 13:42.11 | xk | s/netboot/netinst/ |
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| 13:42.46 | karamelos | HighPingedLPB, my GDM theme selection resets when I reboot. How can I keep my theme setting? |
| 13:43.17 | TheTom | clear |
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| 13:44.36 | Gul_ | i have a permission problem, but i don't know what files are causing it. i try to connect to this debian box with tightvnc. if i start the tightvncserver as root it works, but if i do it as any other user, all the terminals fail. i cant open gnome-terminal, rxvt, xvt or any other terminal. so the question is: what files/devices do all terminals need access to? |
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| 13:45.10 | DavidS | Gul_: try running under strace |
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| 13:45.55 | yoni | hi, thanks to your help, i've solved my resolution prob ! |
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| 13:46.15 | Gul_ | DavidS: i tried but i cant make much out of the output, i hoped any1 would know wich files get accessed |
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| 13:46.51 | Gul_ | DavidS: i could paste an strace if you want to see it |
| 13:47.33 | yoni | next, i have an xp box with 2 network card a cross cable and while a card is connected to internet (xp box is where i'm typing right now) i want to connect my linux box to internet throught this connection (the second card)... how ? :) |
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| 13:48.09 | Kerr | err.. Had something copied that i was planning on pasting, but accidentaly copied something else. Is there a way of steeping back to whatever was there before it? |
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| 13:48.57 | xk | yoni: better off making linux the gateway, heh. |
| 13:49.12 | raboof | hi. i created a swap device of 1gb with cfdisk. when trying to `mkswap' it, though, mkswap records it made a 5gb swapspace. |
| 13:49.15 | raboof | is that normal? |
| 13:49.20 | raboof | http://rafb.net/paste/results/M3oZ4i46.html |
| 13:49.55 | raboof | might it have to do with me having a stable system with some stuff from unstable mixed in? (after i'm done fixing up the partitionin i'm planning to dist-upgrade...) |
| 13:49.57 | xk | raboof: did you modify the partition table without rebooting? |
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| 13:50.03 | raboof | xk: jep |
| 13:50.08 | xk | raboof: that's the problem. |
| 13:50.22 | raboof | ok. you always need to reboot after changing the partition table? |
| 13:50.33 | xk | if you booted from a mounted drive, and modify the partition table, you have to reboot. |
| 13:50.55 | xk | raboof: only if it's the boot drive. |
| 13:51.20 | raboof | hm, it boots from hda, not hdc... |
| 13:51.20 | peterS | xk: no, only if it's got at least one partition mounted at the time of the repartitioning |
| 13:51.30 | raboof | aha |
| 13:51.34 | xk | peterS: I think you said it better :) |
| 13:51.42 | raboof | other hdc partitions were mounted, indeed. |
| 13:53.08 | xk | yeah... I somehow managed to redo my partition table by moving data everywhere... but I always rebooted after a partition table change. |
| 13:53.21 | xk | rebooted like 6 times :) but it worked in the end. |
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| 13:54.33 | Gul | in my /etc/profile i have a umask 0077 set up, could it be that this causes some devices in /dev/* to be only rw to root? and this in turn could be the reason the terminals cant be started? |
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| 13:55.00 | raboof | unrelatedly: i want to move the boot partition to another disk. |
| 13:55.26 | raboof | i guess i need to: copy over contents, change fstab, change grub config, start grub and re-install boot record. |
| 13:55.31 | raboof | missing something there? |
| 13:55.53 | raboof | hm, maybe i should start with burning a knoppix disk just in case :) |
| 13:55.57 | tarzeau | raboof: no looks fine |
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| 13:56.09 | raboof | hey tarzeau, long time no see |
| 13:56.20 | tarzeau | raboof: yeah, how are you? |
| 13:56.48 | xk | raboof: I'd redo grub after booting to the new /boot |
| 13:57.15 | InitMass | how can i make /dev/dsp always be my internal sound card and /dev/dsp1 always the external card? |
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| 13:58.28 | InitMass | as it is now it's different from time to time |
| 13:58.32 | netgod | InitMass: are they the same model? maybe you can play with the ordering of driver loads |
| 13:58.42 | Oryn | InitMass: load the internal one first |
| 13:58.49 | yoni | xk, sorry, you mean i should put the seconde card into the linux box ? |
| 13:58.55 | xk | netgod: how would you do that if it's two of the same card? |
| 13:59.10 | netgod | xk: i was hoping it wouldnt come to that :-) |
| 13:59.13 | xk | yoni: yeah. otherwise we have no clue about how to setup the windows side of things. |
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| 13:59.20 | InitMass | netgod, no they are not the same model |
| 13:59.30 | InitMass | Oryn, how do i do that? |
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| 13:59.36 | xk | yoni: if you do know... then it's a non-issue getting the linux box up. |
| 13:59.42 | netgod | xk: in that case, in theory, they would be detected in the same order as they are on the PCI bus -- offhand i cant imagine why he's getting a variation |
| 13:59.52 | yoni | ok... OFFLINE for a few time :) |
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| 13:59.59 | InitMass | netgod, how do i change the order in which the drivers are loaded? |
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| 14:00.05 | renegad3 | everytime I reboot I loose the default gateway for my ppp0 interface which requires me to input a static route to make it work, is there any way to permanently set it?? |
| 14:00.23 | DavidS | InitMass: you can "preload" kernel modules via /etc/modules |
| 14:00.28 | Oryn | InitMass: I'm guessing you have them set to load when required, find out what the module names are for them and just add them to /etc/modules |
| 14:00.36 | netgod | renegad3: you have an ethernet card as well, im guessing? |
| 14:00.54 | xk | renegad3: do you have defaultroute? |
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| 14:01.16 | xk | in the ppp options file. or the ppp user file script? |
| 14:01.21 | redduck666 | every time i reboot my computer i need to execute "dhclient" as root to connect to internet. is there any way to automate the process? i know how to run "dhclient" at every startup as a normal user. |
| 14:01.32 | InitMass | DavidS, Oryn, so all modules in /etc/modules goes before them that is not in that file? |
| 14:01.44 | DavidS | InitMass: yes |
| 14:01.55 | DavidS | InitMass: except stuff from initrd |
| 14:02.20 | DavidS | redduck666: configure it in /etc/network/interfaces |
| 14:02.26 | InitMass | DavidS, i never really understood the meaning of initrd |
| 14:02.28 | DavidS | redduck666: see man interfaces |
| 14:02.54 | DavidS | InitMass: it's a ramdisk which is temporarily loaded by bootloader |
| 14:02.56 | DavidS | InitMass: contains those modules you need to mount / |
| 14:03.24 | netgod | anyone played with mozilla calendar? |
| 14:03.27 | DavidS | InitMass: there is a limit how big the kernel may be to bee bootable |
| 14:03.34 | xal | ive got a user and i need to replace his X WM ( to ratpoison ) |
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| 14:03.39 | xal | how do i go about this? |
| 14:03.41 | redduck666 | DavidS, thanks now reading the man page |
| 14:03.46 | Oryn | netgod: yes, well the firefox plugin |
| 14:03.47 | DavidS | xal: man Xsession |
| 14:04.02 | xal | thanks |
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| 14:04.24 | netgod | oryn: good enough to play with yet? |
| 14:04.38 | Oryn | urm, kinda |
| 14:04.49 | skydoll | re tous |
| 14:05.06 | renegad3 | xk, is that a program or are you reffering to the default gw in the interfaces? |
| 14:05.15 | Oryn | netgod: I've not done the apache module thing yet that lets you have shared calenders |
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| 14:05.32 | netgod | heh |
| 14:05.48 | netgod | why shared calendars would be part of the webserver escapes me |
| 14:05.56 | InitMass | DavidS, but if i load snd_ac97_codec and have forgotten to load a sound module that it's dependant of will that other module load automatically? |
| 14:06.06 | netgod | whats next, the personal organizer kernel module? |
| 14:06.18 | peterS | netgod: because at least one shared calendar protocol uses webdav as the file transfer mechanism |
| 14:06.34 | DavidS | InitMass: yes, it's like modprobe. see /etc/init.d/mod<something> I guess |
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| 14:06.38 | peterS | netgod: and webdav, like most other protocols invented since 1997, is built on http |
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| 14:07.10 | xk | renegad3: well... are you using pppd for ppp? |
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| 14:07.22 | peterS | it's sheer luck we aren't all running LDAP on top of HTTP |
| 14:07.29 | Oryn | InitMass: have a look for the other module, your looking for something like snd_intel8x0 |
| 14:07.30 | peterS | I guess LDAP got in under the wire |
| 14:07.42 | netgod | precisely my point, does that mean everything from XML-RPC to Bubba's pet protocol needs to be a shared module with internal access to the Apache webserver API? it seems overkill |
| 14:07.51 | azreal | what time do the sarge snapshots get refreshed? |
| 14:07.57 | peterS | netgod: it could all be implemented via CGI, I suppose |
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| 14:08.16 | Oryn | InitMass: but with the name of your chipset, the ac97 one will get loaded by the sound card driver |
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| 14:08.35 | netgod | heh im sure someones defined a LDAP over HTTP spec |
| 14:08.50 | renegad3 | xk, it doesnt look like I am using pppd, but im not sure |
| 14:08.54 | InitMass | Oryn, but there are so many sound modules so it's very easy to forget one. but as long as i load one module and which results in that my internal card is the first then i'm happy |
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| 14:09.10 | peterS | netgod: I agree, though, the modern tendency to build everything on top of http is stupid. its only justification is that it allows the netadmins to go around the firewall admins. which is just a wonderful idea |
| 14:09.13 | netgod | then again thats probably too low-level; LDAP is like a super-powerful DNS |
| 14:09.23 | xk | renegad3: well, if you're using ppp... you must be using pppd somehow ;) |
| 14:09.46 | LegendLady | Wat is the best software for Remote Desktop |
| 14:09.56 | renegad3 | yer I guess so xk |
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| 14:10.03 | xk | renegad3: check /etc/chatscripts/<yourscriptname>... where yourscriptname is what you set when you configured it... and check if there's defaultroute as one of the options. |
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| 14:10.04 | Oryn | InitMass: thats all you need, hotplug will take care of your usb one, your problem is you are not playing any sound from your int card before you plug in the usb card |
| 14:10.08 | valdyn_ | LegendLady: best for what? |
| 14:10.14 | xk | _I think it should be there_ |
| 14:10.21 | xk | otherwise, /etc/ppp/options should have it. |
| 14:10.31 | renegad3 | ok ta xk, i will check now |
| 14:10.42 | xk | the script might have moved to /etc/ppp/somedir/<name> ... I don't remember. |
| 14:11.00 | Oryn | InitMass: you can use lsmod to show you whats loaded now |
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| 14:11.24 | visual_ | w |
| 14:12.20 | InitMass | Oryn, DavidS, i have added soundcore snd_intel8x0m snd_intel8x0 snd_ac97_codec to my modules file now. this would be enough to get the internal first right? |
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| 14:12.43 | takatumi | xk: it's still /etc/chatscripts/<script>, however I don't have any defaultroutes set there. (old dial-up script) |
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| 14:12.55 | gilles | hi |
| 14:13.07 | gilles | can i make a scan of all the network which the address begin with 192.168.0.* aroud my network ? |
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| 14:13.25 | valdyn_ | InitMass: only snd_intel8x0 should be in your /etc/modules, snd_intel8x0m is your winmodem |
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| 14:14.45 | InitMass | valdyn_, winmodem with snd_ before? isn't that strange |
| 14:14.47 | Printing | how do you turn on the Debian firewall? |
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| 14:15.06 | valdyn_ | InitMass: no, not at all, if you know what a winmodem is |
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| 14:16.06 | InitMass | valdyn_, in my world it's a modem for 56k connection which is not a real hardware modem but more like software |
| 14:16.25 | spoopin | gilles: look at nmap |
| 14:16.26 | valdyn_ | InitMass: that does not contradict what i said at all |
| 14:16.34 | foureyes779 | what is a program that can be usd to listen to MP3's from the command line ? |
| 14:16.50 | MobyTurbo | InitMass: I am running a hardware 56K modem |
| 14:17.06 | MobyTurbo | foureyes779: mpg321 |
| 14:17.12 | nostrand | foureyes779: mpg321, mpg123, play, amp etc. |
| 14:17.15 | Printing | how do you turn on the Debian firewall? |
| 14:17.15 | foureyes779 | MobyTurbo: tnx |
| 14:17.20 | InitMass | valdyn_, i thought that all with snd in the beginning had to do with sound but i might be wrong about that |
| 14:17.26 | valdyn_ | InitMass: a real modem has a chip to control the reception and sending of beep beep over your phone line, a winmodem is only the sound interface ) |
| 14:17.52 | drac | Printing: Install firewall script (iptables script), like Shorewall, Firehol or if you are on X, try Firestarter. |
| 14:18.00 | drac | (And learn how to configure it.) |
| 14:18.08 | raboof | winmodem is a stupid term though, such things can work fine under linux |
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| 14:18.30 | valdyn_ | raboof: thats how the vendors called it iirc |
| 14:18.33 | Printing | ok, thanks |
| 14:18.35 | takatumi | raboof: with the right drivers, it works well, used it for a year without problems. |
| 14:18.51 | valdyn_ | and its not a modem either way, any soundcard would do it better |
| 14:19.09 | takatumi | the drivers are non-free/closed source, that's the problem. |
| 14:19.14 | raboof | valdyn_: yeah, not to try to attack you :) |
| 14:20.12 | renegad3 | xk, im not using a diaup modem, im using a adsl client... |
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| 14:20.27 | InitMass | Oryn, does it speed up the start of the computer if you add the modules needed into /etc/modules? |
| 14:20.46 | Oryn | InitMass: no |
| 14:21.00 | MrMeee | i'm trying to install libice-dev but getting dependencies errors |
| 14:21.27 | drac | MrMeee: Done apt-get update lately? |
| 14:21.32 | MrMeee | yes |
| 14:21.33 | InitMass | Oryn, i thought that because otherwise the computer have to check which hardware is actually in the computer and then load the modules but i was wrong |
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| 14:21.45 | RA | you mother fuckers |
| 14:21.59 | drac | RA: your mommy perhaps. |
| 14:22.05 | MrMeee | I installed debian base and x windows but no desktop yet, want to install xfce |
| 14:22.05 | takatumi | too much Java, did that. |
| 14:22.08 | valdyn_ | InitMass: apt-cache show sl-modem-daemon, thats the other part of the "driver" to your winmodem |
| 14:22.15 | Oryn | InitMass: it did that when you installed first :) it doesn't do it again |
| 14:22.24 | drac | MrMeee: www.os-works.com for xfce 4.2 |
| 14:22.36 | Oryn | InitMass: unless you are running kudzu |
| 14:22.46 | InitMass | Oryn, i'm running ubuntu |
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| 14:22.50 | MrMeee | i been there, needs the libice-dev installed |
| 14:22.50 | RA | fuck you |
| 14:23.05 | Oryn | InitMass: I dunno then |
| 14:23.17 | MrMeee | and few others packages |
| 14:23.20 | takatumi | InitMass: #ubuntu |
| 14:23.22 | InitMass | RA, why the offensive language? |
| 14:23.30 | xk | java irc? |
| 14:23.38 | xk | an irc client that uses 200megs ram? |
| 14:23.50 | drac | RA: What debian version? |
| 14:23.50 | valdyn_ | InitMass: "checking" for hardware isnt really more than running lspci / lsusb etc, it doesnt take significant time |
| 14:23.51 | InitMass | takatumi, i'm in here because i used to use debian and there seems to be more pro people in here |
| 14:23.53 | RA | i want to be banned |
| 14:23.58 | RA | i must do a record |
| 14:24.05 | drac | MrMeee: What debian version? ;) |
| 14:24.06 | *** mode/#Debian [+o xk] by ChanServ |
| 14:24.26 | *** mode/#Debian [+q RA!*@*] by xk |
| 14:24.31 | xk | ;o |
| 14:24.32 | *** mode/#Debian [-o xk] by xk |
| 14:24.56 | DavidS | xk: he had it coming ;) |
| 14:24.56 | foureyes779 | heh |
| 14:25.00 | Henning | RA: That sounds rather sad. You should consider getting a hobby of some sort, or work. |
| 14:25.09 | MrMeee | 3.0 r4 |
| 14:25.29 | drac | MrMeee: Yeah, well.. those packages at os-works.com needs 3.1 (Sarge, Testing) |
| 14:25.46 | Zambba | <PROTECTED> |
| 14:25.49 | Zambba | Linux linuxburg 2.4.27-1-386 #1 Fri Sep 3 06:24:46 UTC 2004 i686 GNU/Linux |
| 14:25.57 | drac | Zambba: Who cares? |
| 14:26.01 | Zambba | No one does |
| 14:26.03 | MrMeee | ok how can i install the older version of xfce? |
| 14:26.12 | Zambba | "Just spamming" |
| 14:26.13 | nksen_ | I have directory /foo and wanna make a buffered read from that directory say reading from directory /foo2 is a buffered /foo, how would you start that? I'm clueless |
| 14:26.20 | drac | MrMeee: apt-get install xfce4 |
| 14:26.29 | takatumi | MrMeee: 4.2 sucks eh? |
| 14:26.32 | valdyn_ | MrMeee: apt-get install xfce ( that should yield xfce 3 |
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| 14:27.00 | MrMeee | i get depend.. errors |
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| 14:27.11 | drac | MrMeee: Fix your sources.list and run update. |
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| 14:27.24 | jeromel | hello |
| 14:27.31 | takatumi | bottrouble. |
| 14:27.33 | xk | jeromel: what's with the clones? |
| 14:27.40 | valdyn_ | MrMeee: you need to upgrade to sarge if you want to run xfce 4.2 i suppose |
| 14:27.53 | MrMeee | i'm new to debian |
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| 14:28.25 | MrMeee | i've run apt-get update |
| 14:28.57 | dvs | MrMeee: <valdyn_> MrMeee: you need to upgrade to sarge if you want to run xfce 4.2 i suppose |
| 14:29.23 | valdyn_ | MrMeee: i dont know what you really want so, i cant help you |
| 14:29.33 | MrMeee | i don't mind running the older verion of xfce |
| 14:29.36 | drac | !tell MrMeee about woody->sarge |
| 14:29.45 | thomask | takatumi: do you really think xfce 4.2 sucks? |
| 14:29.54 | valdyn_ | MrMeee: what happens if you do "apt-get install xfce" ? |
| 14:30.00 | PircHy | help i get error when i use "apt-get -u update" |
| 14:30.10 | MrMeee | i get depend.. errors |
| 14:30.24 | MrMeee | libice-dev: Depends: libice6 (= 4.3.0.dfsg.1-10) but it is not installable |
| 14:30.24 | MrMeee | <PROTECTED> |
| 14:30.37 | valdyn_ | MrMeee: paste in #flood the complete error message and your sources.list |
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| 14:30.40 | takatumi | thomask: I used to like 4, 4.2 somehow didn't seem right, was a while back(2 months or so back) |
| 14:30.47 | holycow | http://deb-install.sourceforge.net/ <-- thats neat |
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| 14:31.16 | PircHy | E: Error occured while processing plan (NewVersion1) |
| 14:31.16 | PircHy | E: Problem with MergeList /var/lib/apt/lists/ftp.us.debian.org_debian_dists_testing_m |
| 14:31.16 | PircHy | ain_binary-i386_Packages |
| 14:31.16 | PircHy | E: The package lists or status file could not be parsed or opened. |
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| 14:31.24 | xk | flood elsewhere |
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| 14:31.42 | thomask | takatumi: I'm a little concerned that they will bloat it, there are a lot of new features planned for 4.4. |
| 14:31.48 | PircHy | sorry |
| 14:31.52 | holycow | heh |
| 14:31.53 | thomask | takatumi: but for now, I think it's still great. |
| 14:32.01 | holycow | that deb install thingy is a neat idea |
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| 14:32.19 | MrMeee | done valdyn_ |
| 14:32.24 | holycow | something like that could make debian a super distro :) hehe |
| 14:32.30 | takatumi | thomask: using ion3 currently, very light and zippy. |
| 14:32.36 | thomas_adam | :| |
| 14:32.50 | xk | cool @ tab completion. |
| 14:32.58 | thomask | takatumi: I really like the graphical menu editor and that you can have the system menu in the panel, that's both new in 4.2. |
| 14:32.58 | valdyn_ | MrMeee: remove the last 2 lines, and _never_ mix testing with stable lines in your /etc/apt/sources.list before you know well what you are doing |
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| 14:33.06 | blitznl | emacs integration with idutch (ispell) is broken since the last update of the package. Who is responsible for this? Is anyone trying to fix it? |
| 14:33.07 | takatumi | thomas_adam: :) |
| 14:33.11 | thomas_adam | hehe. |
| 14:33.13 | thomask | takatumi: That's this tiled window manager, right? |
| 14:33.18 | thomas_adam | !be thomas_adam barbie |
| 14:33.18 | dpkg | fvwm is sooo cool. Let's go shopping, teehee. |
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| 14:34.10 | MrMeee | i removed then n reran the apt-get update |
| 14:34.19 | MrMeee | still same error |
| 14:34.29 | InitMass | how do i load an app every time i start the computer, which needs root previlegies and without the need to write in the password every time? |
| 14:34.29 | valdyn_ | MrMeee: now try apt-get -f install |
| 14:34.31 | takatumi | thomas_adam: yes. |
| 14:34.47 | MrMeee | same |
| 14:34.51 | ledet | InitMass: sudo |
| 14:34.58 | takatumi | thomas_adam: urgg, sorry |
| 14:35.02 | takatumi | thomask: yes. |
| 14:35.04 | OleMoudi | for i in `ls`; do mv $i $i.bak; done <-- that command does not work with filenames cotaining spaces. how can I make it work? |
| 14:35.19 | thomas_adam | OleMoudi: mv "$i" "$i.bck" |
| 14:35.21 | MrMeee | I installed the debian base and just x windows system no other desktop |
| 14:35.21 | ledet | InitMass: and... stuff in rc will be startet by root anyway |
| 14:35.23 | valdyn_ | MrMeee: ok, you're in some shit for already having installed testing packages, remove them |
| 14:35.30 | valdyn_ | MrMeee: apt-get remove libice-dev |
| 14:35.35 | OleMoudi | thomas_adam, I already tried that |
| 14:35.37 | valdyn_ | MrMeee: etc.. |
| 14:36.01 | thomas_adam | OleMoudi: Although, you can just do: for i in *; do mv "$i" "$i.bck"; done |
| 14:36.04 | InitMass | ledet, so i can just add my line to a file in rc? |
| 14:36.14 | xk | OleMoudi: try "find -type f -maxdepth 1 -exec mv {} {}.bak \;" |
| 14:36.16 | thomask | thomas_adam: that doesn't work because the input coming from `ls` is already parsed with spaces as separator. |
| 14:36.17 | MrMeee | done |
| 14:36.21 | ledet | InitMass: well... yes |
| 14:36.26 | MrMeee | i'm sorry I didn't know |
| 14:36.33 | valdyn_ | MrMeee: what you need to do is to remove all offending packages till apt-get -f install doesnt complain anymore |
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| 14:36.51 | MrMeee | i think that did it |
| 14:37.01 | valdyn_ | MrMeee: now try apt-get install xfce |
| 14:37.09 | OleMoudi | for i in *; worked, thanks thomas_adam |
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| 14:37.14 | valdyn_ | !info xfce woody |
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| 14:37.24 | drac | !info xfce4 woody |
| 14:37.28 | warty | debian.pl |
| 14:37.33 | dpkg | xfce: (The Cholesterol Free Desktop Environment), section x11, is optional. Version: 3.8.16-2 (woody), Packaged size: 3770 kB, Installed size: 9892 kB |
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| 14:37.34 | MrMeee | downloading extra packages |
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| 14:38.01 | drac | that is old :) |
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| 14:38.24 | valdyn_ | MrMeee: youre still free to upgrade to sarge/testing, but you dont need to, and its work |
| 14:38.42 | gilles | Is there a soft to put a .mov onto a dvd so that any simple dvd driver can read it on a tv ? |
| 14:38.44 | b_52GM | hi |
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| 14:39.05 | MrMeee | i figure I want to get xfce working first |
| 14:39.28 | xk | gilles: convert it to mpeg-2/svcd |
| 14:39.48 | gilles | xk: how? and then? |
| 14:39.55 | xk | but good luck finding a mpeg-2 encoder on linux. |
| 14:40.04 | azreal | gilles: search google for "howto make a vcd" |
| 14:40.28 | xk | hrm... I think transcode does mpeg2. |
| 14:40.33 | netgod | is there a mpeg4 encoder? |
| 14:40.35 | xk | gilles: is the .mov file high quality? |
| 14:40.49 | gilles | azreal: oh no, a dvd, not a vcd |
| 14:40.50 | b_52GM | is there any corean people here? |
| 14:40.57 | gilles | xk: yes |
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| 14:41.24 | visual_ | hey, does xfce run good on p2 333mhz 64 ram? |
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| 14:41.32 | azreal | gilles: i dunno how to go about that then, makeing a vcd or svcd would proably be easier though. |
| 14:41.34 | visual_ | xfce 4 i mean |
| 14:41.41 | visual_ | 4.20 |
| 14:42.13 | thomask | visual: the cpu is ok, but i'm not sure about the ram |
| 14:42.26 | thomask | visual: it uses gtk+2 for everything and that's quite large |
| 14:42.30 | xk | gilles: it's pretty difficult to do what you want... but it might be possible. |
| 14:42.31 | visual_ | well they say xfce is the less ram consuming DE |
| 14:42.37 | visual_ | ah |
| 14:42.43 | visual_ | then i should stick to window manager |
| 14:42.46 | visual_ | and not to DE |
| 14:42.46 | thomask | visual: xfce yes, but gtk |
| 14:42.49 | azreal | i thought xfce was "xforms"? |
| 14:43.00 | azreal | isnt that what xf stands for? |
| 14:43.08 | visual_ | hmm i tought about using BlackBox |
| 14:43.10 | visual_ | but i have question |
| 14:43.21 | visual_ | if i uninstall whole desktop env. using tasksel |
| 14:43.22 | xk | gilles: transcode might be able to encode... but you need to convert it to mpeg-2 dvd spec. |
| 14:43.23 | thomask | azreal: xfce from version 4 on is a complete new implementation from scratch, using gtk+2 |
| 14:43.27 | visual_ | do i get my blackbox work then? |
| 14:43.31 | xk | gilles: and that's one thing I'm uncertain about |
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| 14:43.47 | azreal | thomask: why not use gnome then? whats the difference really? |
| 14:43.56 | thomask | azreal: up to version 3 you're right |
| 14:44.01 | ALinux | Hi Everyone, Is it better to shutdown cpufreqd while I am in AC power , or it's better to keep it running ? |
| 14:44.22 | xk | ALinux: clocking down cpu? I run it on my athlon box at all times. |
| 14:44.34 | thomask | azreal: xfce is lighter, it isn't running a few daemons in the background and has to parse xml for everything. |
| 14:44.35 | visual_ | peterS u here? |
| 14:44.36 | asg | ALinux: I don't think it matters either way, though keeping it running will keep the system cooler |
| 14:44.42 | asg | !seen peterS |
| 14:44.42 | dpkg | peters is currently on #debian. Has said a total of 67670 messages. Is idling for 35m 33s |
| 14:45.05 | visual_ | !seen visual_ |
| 14:45.06 | dpkg | visual_ is currently on #debian (6m 50s). Has said a total of 122 messages. Is idling for 0s |
| 14:45.08 | netgod | heh |
| 14:45.08 | ALinux | Ok, thanks |
| 14:45.09 | visual_ | hehe |
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| 14:45.17 | azreal | thomask: i was interested in xfce once, becaus ei was told it would do drag and drop within fluxbox, without messing up the WM's own root menu's. |
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| 14:45.49 | peterS | asg: yes, it was me in #perl in that comic-like gif |
| 14:45.56 | visual_ | so does any1 know if i uninstall WHOLE desktop package using tasksel, do i get my BlackBox work then? |
| 14:46.07 | thomask | azreal: It is designed with being lightweight as a preference, for example panel applets all live in the panel's main loop and don't have an own one, with the downside that one crash of an applet brings the panel down. |
| 14:46.08 | asg | peterS: :) cool |
| 14:46.09 | azreal | thomask: couldnt do that with gnome, gnome-session wanted to manage the root menu events |
| 14:46.18 | takatumi | peterS: pychotic? #python not #perl :P |
| 14:46.30 | peterS | takatumi: we were in #perl, talking about #python |
| 14:46.33 | thomask | azreal: the xfce guys follow the freedesktop specs very closely, but i don't know about that one. |
| 14:46.34 | asg | takatumi: the discussion took place in #perl |
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| 14:46.38 | takatumi | peterS: ah. |
| 14:46.53 | azreal | thomask: ill look at it again soon. |
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| 14:47.25 | takatumi | hah. |
| 14:47.28 | asg | peterS: night |
| 14:47.31 | peterS | (: |
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| 14:48.33 | MrMeee | how do you pronounce debian? |
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| 14:48.43 | azreal | can anyone recommend a wide flatscreen monitor? i want one that is pretty big. |
| 14:48.47 | asg | MrMeee: Deb Ian |
| 14:48.50 | valdyn_ | MrMeee: Debora Ian |
| 14:48.52 | netgod | MrMeee: d as in Debra, the wife of the founder |
| 14:48.54 | MrMeee | ty |
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| 14:49.25 | netgod | the founder is of course Ian |
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| 14:50.19 | MrMeee | xfce installed, next step? |
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| 14:50.35 | visual_ | MrMeee configure it for your own comfortable? |
| 14:50.40 | thomask | Yes but how is Ian pronounced? I think I read sometime that the "I" is pronounced live, not as mice. |
| 14:50.44 | visual_ | MrMeee i mean: configure it to your own needs? |
| 14:50.52 | MrMeee | startx? |
| 14:51.11 | asg | thomask: pronounce it as eeean |
| 14:51.23 | visual_ | MrMeee yes use startx |
| 14:51.28 | netgod | Mozilla.org Site Map |
| 14:51.28 | netgod | About Mozilla |
| 14:51.29 | netgod | <PROTECTED> |
| 14:51.30 | netgod | <PROTECTED> |
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| 14:51.33 | asg | gah! |
| 14:51.34 | thomask | asg: yeah that's what I meant, i'm not a native speaker. thanks. |
| 14:51.36 | xk | netgod! gone! |
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| 14:51.38 | asg | thomask: :) |
| 14:52.05 | asg | thomask: we should probably put an audio file somewhere (there may even be one) indicating how it's pronounced. |
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| 14:52.28 | helix | poor netgod |
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| 14:52.43 | MrMeee | how do i reconfigure video etc |
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| 14:52.51 | FieldySnuts | @vaugeness |
| 14:52.51 | MrMeee | it didn't come up |
| 14:52.53 | helix | ~be bob2 |
| 14:52.54 | apt | dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xfree86 |
| 14:52.54 | asg | !drxx |
| 14:52.54 | dpkg | it has been said that drxx is dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xfree86 # Run it as root! |
| 14:52.58 | netgod | sorry |
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| 14:53.02 | FieldySnuts | ravenbird: vagueness? |
| 14:53.03 | ravenbird | FieldySnuts: no idea |
| 14:53.07 | romar | hello |
| 14:53.07 | FieldySnuts | hell I can't spell |
| 14:53.13 | helix | vagueness is right |
| 14:53.18 | asg | helix: at least apt didn't say he was going to bed this time |
| 14:53.30 | FieldySnuts | hm. didn't respond, another random factoid deletion casualty? |
| 14:53.35 | FieldySnuts | brb foodl |
| 14:53.48 | helix | !be bob2 |
| 14:53.48 | dpkg | helix: I'm going to bed now, really |
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| 14:53.51 | helix | heh |
| 14:53.53 | asg | :) |
| 14:53.58 | takatumi | foodl like noodle? |
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| 14:54.13 | romar | can anyone help me? |
| 14:54.17 | MrMeee | video card bus identifier? |
| 14:54.18 | FieldySnuts | probably |
| 14:54.21 | asg | !tell romar about ask |
| 14:54.23 | takatumi | MrMeee: hit enter |
| 14:54.23 | sussudio | badger? |
| 14:54.23 | pngwn | MrMeee, there is an install manual on debian.org and the FAQ in the topic helps too...you need to read |
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| 14:54.27 | valdyn_ | MrMeee: leave that empty |
| 14:54.29 | thomask | asg: Haha, I did a google search for "site:debian.org pronounce Debian" - 3.720 results. :-) |
| 14:54.30 | thomask | asg: A lot of people have wondered about that. |
| 14:54.33 | romar | sry |
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| 14:54.47 | FieldySnuts | oh hell. it's Sunday. |
| 14:54.54 | asg | thomask: yes, like the pronounciation of linux (which people often get wrong too) |
| 14:54.56 | valdyn_ | MrMeee: whats your gfx card btw? |
| 14:54.57 | jethro | !sing sunday |
| 14:54.57 | dpkg | Everyday is like sunday... Everyday the tards come to play... |
| 14:55.17 | MrMeee | matrox millinum II |
| 14:55.33 | valdyn_ | MrMeee: good, that one ought to work w/ woody |
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| 14:56.06 | MrMeee | ok |
| 14:56.09 | romar | I?ve got an smal problem, my soundcard isn't detected when I run alsaconf, I think it is just an, well, rear soundcard. =) |
| 14:56.13 | schuler | <PROTECTED> |
| 14:56.19 | romar | I've |
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| 14:56.53 | takatumi | romar: add the right modules to /etc/modules, install alsamixer and crank it up. |
| 14:57.04 | valdyn_ | romar: you may have oss drivers for it loaded if you didnt reboot after installing alsa-base |
| 14:57.07 | romar | ahh, will try |
| 14:57.25 | romar | tnx, will try it now |
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| 14:58.34 | takatumi | romar: sorry, alsamixer is in alsa-utils |
| 14:58.46 | romar | I installed alsa-base |
| 14:58.55 | romar | think alsaconf comes with it |
| 14:58.58 | romar | have to check |
| 14:59.05 | romar | alsamixer* |
| 14:59.06 | romar | my bad |
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| 14:59.57 | romar | but first, I have to now what kind of card i have |
| 15:00.05 | romar | lspci maybe? |
| 15:01.17 | romar | nope, lspci does not find any soundcard |
| 15:01.21 | romar | what to then? |
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| 15:02.20 | thomask | romar: That's strange. Nothing named "audio controller" or something? |
| 15:02.31 | thomask | romar: You could try adding -v |
| 15:02.32 | takatumi | romar: do you actually have a sound card? :P |
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| 15:03.37 | romar | takatumi: yepp, it works in windows :) |
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| 15:04.34 | transgress | anyone running in 1024x768? |
| 15:04.40 | romar | yes |
| 15:04.42 | romar | but |
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| 15:05.04 | signlesskid | hi |
| 15:05.12 | transgress | you wouldn't want to do me a favor would you? can you tell me if my site looks flush at that resolution? |
| 15:05.18 | transgress | hi signlesskid |
| 15:05.24 | romar | np |
| 15:05.24 | MrMeee | i get a gray screen with a X for the mouse |
| 15:05.27 | romar | give me url |
| 15:05.29 | transgress | www.irclikelife.com |
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| 15:06.01 | transgress | MrMeee sounds like your window manager isn't loading up... what do you use? |
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| 15:06.28 | MrMeee | i just loaded x window system at install |
| 15:06.39 | romar | transgress: I cant se any problems, but change linkcolor please : D |
| 15:06.48 | transgress | not any blackbox, gnome, kde? MrMeee |
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| 15:07.00 | MrMeee | xfce |
| 15:07.01 | transgress | yeah i was noticing that too... looks already visited |
| 15:07.08 | MrMeee | just loaed that |
| 15:07.23 | romar | I had problems seeing them at all |
| 15:07.28 | romar | but |
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| 15:07.38 | willigi | hi you all, i heard of e method to install debian without the installer, and i heared a name of a tool, with with i can do that. but i forgotten the name. can anybody help me? |
| 15:07.51 | romar | no, there is no other problems as I can se |
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| 15:07.55 | transgress | mrmee, try going into console and using xinit to start xfce |
| 15:08.10 | tchino | how can i draw a dottet line by gimp |
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| 15:08.48 | takatumi | willigi: debootstrap? |
| 15:08.52 | MrMeee | ok sec |
| 15:09.34 | Theosaka | quelqu'un arrive t'il a installer monodevelop? |
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| 15:09.53 | transgress | give that a shot romar. |
| 15:09.53 | willigi | takatumi: yes right.. thanks a lot |
| 15:09.54 | MrMeee | that gave me a terminal window on the screen |
| 15:10.03 | raf256 | with package should I apt-get to open fucking .rar format? |
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| 15:10.09 | transgress | oh well... nm |
| 15:10.17 | asg | raf256: unrar |
| 15:10.31 | thomask | MrMee: there must be a binary or a script to execute in the xfce package. |
| 15:10.40 | thomask | MrMee: perhaps it's just called "xfce" |
| 15:10.40 | schuler | the msg dpkg paster doesn't work anymore |
| 15:10.44 | transgress | are fucking .rar's different than .rar's? |
| 15:10.51 | MrMeee | k sec |
| 15:11.00 | raf256 | asg: apt-cache search do not see "unrar" package |
| 15:11.03 | mwilson | raf256: Can't your little pirate buddies give you a copy? |
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| 15:11.17 | Kraig | raf256: google? :P |
| 15:11.18 | nexuslab | hi there |
| 15:11.19 | asg | raf256: it's non-free |
| 15:11.24 | raf256 | mwilson: I dont make friends with pirates, and stop calling me that |
| 15:11.30 | takatumi | schuler: works here. |
| 15:11.30 | Kraig | shut up kraig |
| 15:11.33 | thomask | MrMee: write it to the .xinitrc in your homedir, then try startx again. |
| 15:11.36 | raf256 | rar is not free? what a fucked up format |
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| 15:11.53 | asg | raf256: or use unrar, which is free, but doesn't supprot 3.0 archives |
| 15:11.56 | takatumi | !tell schuler -about paster |
| 15:11.58 | transgress | Kraig are you having problems? |
| 15:11.59 | transgress | heh |
| 15:12.06 | [PM]gothtec_ | What's wrong with the --to part of this line? I want to forward ports 5120-5300 to the same ports on the other machine. "iptables -t nat -A PREROUTING -p udp -i $external_int -d $external_ip --dport 5120:5300 -j DNAT --to 192.168.3.2:5120:5300" |
| 15:12.06 | raf256 | asg: and where from can I get this unrar? |
| 15:12.17 | raf256 | asg: apt-cache search unrar do not show anything |
| 15:12.27 | nexuslab | which window manager would you install in a Debian sid running for fileserver & ftp server tasks over a Pentium II 233 machine? |
| 15:12.41 | nexuslab | none of kde or gnome i presume... |
| 15:12.48 | asg | raf256: what version of debian are you running |
| 15:12.48 | transgress | nexuslab: how much ram? |
| 15:12.50 | nexuslab | too heavy... |
| 15:12.54 | nexuslab | 64 mb |
| 15:12.55 | takatumi | nexuslab: try ion3 |
| 15:12.56 | transgress | nexuslab: and i didn't install X at all |
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| 15:12.59 | raf256 | asg: Debian Sarge |
| 15:13.03 | asg | !info unrar sarge |
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| 15:13.16 | nexuslab | transgress: ok...but wanting also X... |
| 15:13.17 | thomask | nexuslab: blackbox or fluxbox. |
| 15:13.23 | schuler | takatumi: thanks |
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| 15:13.28 | asg | raf256: it hasn't made it in from sid then (/msg dpkg why is unrar not in testing) |
| 15:13.30 | nexuslab | thanks all |
| 15:13.42 | transgress | nexuslab: i'd go for blackbox then. it's really lightweight, but it will still probably lag like a bitch on crack |
| 15:14.00 | Kraig | transgress: pretty descriptive :) |
| 15:14.02 | thomask | takatumi: ion is cool, but the laerning curve is a bit steep... well, let him try :-) |
| 15:14.10 | raf256 | oh what a fucking format, Im going to murder my cooperative for using it |
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| 15:14.14 | gothtec | What's wrong with the --to part of this line? I want to forward ports 5120-5300 to the same ports on the other machine. "iptables -t nat -A PREROUTING -p udp -i $external_int -d $external_ip --dport 5120:5300 -j DNAT --to 192.168.3.2:5120:5300" |
| 15:14.14 | transgress | thank you Kraig |
| 15:14.19 | mwilson | raf256: And of course you have some use for RAR *other* than being a pirate. |
| 15:15.00 | hotmeat | <PROTECTED> |
| 15:15.04 | nexuslab | transgress: sorry...poor english...what do u mean with "lag like a bitch on crack" |
| 15:15.14 | raf256 | mwilson: wtf? |
| 15:15.23 | raf256 | mwilson: I need to use .rar to unpack game data file |
| 15:15.31 | raf256 | for game that Im writting, so f. off |
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| 15:15.37 | xk | ;) |
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| 15:16.03 | Kraig | so, there's no package for rar/unrar? |
| 15:16.12 | netgod | hotmeat: open /etc/samba/smb.conf in your favorite editor and add stuffs to the bottom |
| 15:16.13 | xk | !info rar |
| 15:16.14 | caphuso | Kraig: there are |
| 15:16.16 | dpkg | rar: (Archiver for .rar files), section non-free/utils, is optional. Version: 3.30-2 (sid), Packaged size: 239 kB, Installed size: 419 kB |
| 15:16.16 | ar3dam | hi there, how kick user from my system? |
| 15:16.20 | MrMeee | startxfce |
| 15:16.30 | asg | ar3dam: slay |
| 15:16.33 | raf256 | graphics artist was stupid enought to 1) pack to small .rar packages 2) use tottaly non-sense and chaotic naming convention 3) use different background colour in each image, instread of using alpha channel |
| 15:16.41 | transgress | nexuslab: that's really funny sorry. umm i mean it will go slow more than likely. but maybe not. |
| 15:16.54 | asg | ar3dam: and put /bin/false as their shell in /etc/passwd afterwards so they don't log in again. |
| 15:17.00 | xophEr | Is there another way of getting streaming media to work in firefox than installing mplayer + the mplayer plugin for mozilla? thanks |
| 15:17.08 | thomask | MrMee: cool, sounds like a script to do everything for you, try just executing that from the console. |
| 15:17.17 | nexuslab | yeah...64 mb of ram... |
| 15:17.45 | MrMeee | it comes up but just very basic that normal for ver 3? |
| 15:17.47 | nexuslab | it's not a problem...i'll use ssh most times.. |
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| 15:18.07 | thomask | MrMee: I don't know xfce v3, sorry. |
| 15:18.16 | MrMeee | its ok |
| 15:18.37 | transgress | but hey... others have done it successfully nexus... so go for it. but if i were just setting up a server, most of the time i at least wouldn't leave x running |
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| 15:19.23 | nexuslab | yeah ok ...i'll put X down...running only when needed |
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| 15:20.30 | ar3dam | asg, i need to restart the computer? |
| 15:21.01 | MrMeee | i'm just getting XF windows manager up |
| 15:21.02 | asg | ar3dam: no |
| 15:22.01 | Kraig | rebooting is just for kernel switching... |
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| 15:23.02 | transgress | yeah speaking of kernel switching and rebooting... i was thinking about those crazy people who like to keep their uptime in the years... do they just not care about the ol' kernel? |
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| 15:23.27 | Kraig | yeah, that's weird... |
| 15:23.43 | transgress | i knew a guy with 3 years uptime |
| 15:23.51 | xk | transgress: what os? |
| 15:23.58 | asg | transgress: an old but working and secure kernel is just fine. No need to upgrade unless it's for security or a bugfix |
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| 15:24.01 | transgress | slack |
| 15:24.02 | xk | a guy with an uptime? was he... 3 years old? :) |
| 15:24.12 | Kraig | hehehe |
| 15:24.12 | netgod | if its good enough, and has minimal security vulnerabilities, why upgrade? especially since that means shutting down a machine that thousands of people might be using (at an ISP) and which may not come back up due to operator error? |
| 15:24.30 | xk | transgress: an old 2.4.x kernel doesn't even properly wrap past 497 days. |
| 15:24.39 | transgress | improved quality... |
| 15:24.39 | xk | so I wonder how he managed to keep count ;) |
| 15:24.41 | asg | netgod: ISPs are known to reboot machines with impunity ;) |
| 15:24.42 | pizux3 | hi is someone use a dlint dsl 300 t here? |
| 15:24.42 | Kraig | but... ain't that like saying that new kernels are coming out for nothing? |
| 15:24.51 | xk | pizux3: d-link dsl 300? |
| 15:24.53 | transgress | he let me log on to check it... he wasn't lying... |
| 15:25.10 | pizux3 | yes a dsl modem |
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| 15:25.13 | xk | pizux3: I have one running in bridge mode. |
| 15:25.14 | netgod | Kraig: theyre faster and have more features; but linux passed the point of being "good enough" for many things years ago |
| 15:25.19 | theshane | I'm trying to use startx but it give me this error 'Fatal server error: failed to initialize core devices' |
| 15:25.25 | xk | transgress: I wouldn't believe it... it wouldn't wrap properly. |
| 15:25.29 | netgod | im just saying it depends on what your highest priorities are |
| 15:25.34 | asg | theshane: configure your mouse/keyboard properly |
| 15:25.37 | Kraig | i get it |
| 15:25.38 | pizux3 | have got big problemes with mine |
| 15:25.41 | xk | and especially slackware, annoying to maintain. |
| 15:25.47 | xk | pizux3: what's the prob? |
| 15:25.57 | raf256 | so.. I can not in any way unpack .rar in linux/debian easyly? |
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| 15:25.57 | pizux3 | my eth0 don't stop to stop :) |
| 15:26.04 | xk | heh |
| 15:26.05 | Kraig | huh? |
| 15:26.05 | transgress | ah slack isn't that hard to maintain... not quite as easy as debian to be sure... but eh |
| 15:26.05 | pizux3 | eth0 down |
| 15:26.11 | pizux3 | very often |
| 15:26.12 | xk | pizux3: "ifdown eth0" ? |
| 15:26.17 | pizux3 | yes |
| 15:26.18 | xk | it doesn't stop, or it stops itself? |
| 15:26.26 | theshane | asg: I used dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xfree86 and changed my mouse to PS/2 but it still wants to use dev/input/mice |
| 15:26.29 | Kraig | or it stops stopping? |
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| 15:26.34 | xk | Kraig: heh. |
| 15:26.35 | pizux3 | and sometimes it work along 4 hours |
| 15:26.35 | asg | theshane: what kernel? |
| 15:26.47 | pizux3 | 2.6.10 |
| 15:26.52 | theshane | asg: how do I check? |
| 15:26.52 | xk | pizux3: any eth0 related messages from kernel? |
| 15:26.57 | asg | theshane: uname -r |
| 15:27.11 | xk | pizux3: "dmesg| grep eth" |
| 15:27.20 | xk | pizux3: you're running it in bridge mode? |
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| 15:27.50 | theshane | 2.2.20-idepci but I thought I updated it to sarge last night |
| 15:28.13 | asg | theshane: sarge won't automatically upgrade your kernel |
| 15:28.25 | theshane | How do I upgrade the kernel? |
| 15:28.27 | asg | theshane: apt-get install kernel-image ; pick one that suits ; install it |
| 15:28.34 | asg | !idepci |
| 15:28.34 | dpkg | 2.2.20-idepci makes Baby Jebus cry. apt-get install kernel-image-2.2.20 or kernel-image-2.4.18-1-686 or similar. You didn't read the final section of the install guide /msg dpkg install guide. Go read it before we laugh at you :) |
| 15:28.42 | MrMeee | when you install xfce shouldn't you get more than just the fx window manager? |
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| 15:28.59 | xk | what's the final section? |
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| 15:29.53 | pizux3 | what's strange that is works great on live cd's |
| 15:29.56 | raf256 | are tehre some cool "big" games for linux? Like good FPS (not only few-years-behind games like lxDoom) |
| 15:29.58 | pizux3 | and ubuntu d'ont want to works too with that modem |
| 15:30.02 | pizux3 | ( sorry i'm frenchy noob) |
| 15:30.08 | pizux3 | shit |
| 15:30.10 | raf256 | ...Quake2 package would be greate |
| 15:30.15 | xk | pizux3: so are you running it in... router/nat mode or bridge mode? |
| 15:30.33 | xk | pizux3: is pppoe run on linux side or on dsl mode side? |
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| 15:31.04 | useruser | cdrecord doesn't work as a non-root user with kernel 2.6.10, failing with cdrecord: Cannot allocate memory. Cannot get SCSI I/O buffer. oddly I don't get this error running under strace. Is this a known bug? |
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| 15:31.27 | Kerr | I'm having some trouble with intelligent select in the gimp... I select a shape by tracing about it, then can't actualy do anything with the shape picked out. The squares still show about the edge of the selection. What am i doing wrong? #Gimp ain't much help ~.~ |
| 15:31.30 | pizux3 | eth0: RealTek RTL8139 at 0xe0e60000, 00:10:dc:44:e2:2b, IRQ 5 |
| 15:31.31 | pizux3 | eth0: Identified 8139 chip type 'RTL-8101' |
| 15:31.31 | pizux3 | eth0: link up, 100Mbps, full-duplex, lpa 0x41E1 |
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| 15:31.40 | xk | bah @ realtek. |
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| 15:32.00 | theshane | I have amd athlon xp processor, which kernel shoudl I install? k7? or k7-smp? |
| 15:32.13 | xophEr | k7 I guess |
| 15:32.15 | xk | k7 |
| 15:32.28 | theshane | Okay |
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| 15:32.32 | xophEr | what does smp stand for xk? |
| 15:32.35 | xk | k8 is for opteron/athlon64? |
| 15:32.35 | thingfish | smp is for more than one processor, or ht cpus. |
| 15:32.44 | xk | xophEr: for multiple CPUs. |
| 15:32.51 | xophEr | allright |
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| 15:32.53 | netgod | xoph: symmetric multiprocessing |
| 15:32.56 | tarzeau | <PROTECTED> |
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| 15:33.50 | pizux3 | what does that means everything seems to be allright |
| 15:33.50 | pizux3 | i'v try with 3 differents net cards = same problem |
| 15:34.01 | xk | pizux3: hrm... what about cat5 cable? |
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| 15:34.14 | xk | pizux3: you still have answered my other questions. |
| 15:34.47 | pizux3 | sorry got bigs problem with connection |
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| 15:34.54 | restrex | hi guyz, I'm compiling an app and I'm getting this error: /usr/bin/ld: cannot find -lXext what libraries have I to installed? I have installed libxext-dev but I get the same error. any ideas? thanks |
| 15:35.02 | BleSS | when i load a module (modprobe) with something that there isn't in my system, it shows a 0 ater module. it consumes memory? |
| 15:35.03 | asg | restrex: xlibs-dev |
| 15:35.05 | llpamies | In wich package can I find -lstdc++ link libraries ? |
| 15:35.18 | restrex | asg I've installet it, but I'm getting the same error too |
| 15:35.20 | restrex | :/ |
| 15:35.21 | theshane | Is kernel-image-2.6.8-2-k7 good? |
| 15:35.40 | xk | libXext.so is in... libxext-dev |
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| 15:35.50 | xk | or libxext6 |
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| 15:35.54 | netgod | Kerr: did you switch to another widget first? the selector only selects, you have to click something else to drag the selection around |
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| 15:36.23 | pizux3 | it don't stop go down. |
| 15:36.27 | netgod | gimp is touchy as hell, but ultimately faster to use than Photoshop once you learn the quirks |
| 15:36.28 | asg | restrex: did you do 'make distclean' and then ./configure --foo |
| 15:36.44 | Max_Steel | anybody know any program = msproject but GNU? |
| 15:36.44 | xk | pizux3: running bridge mode or not? |
| 15:36.46 | pizux3 | xk? |
| 15:36.51 | asg | Max_Steel: planner |
| 15:36.57 | restrex | asg no, thanks, i'm gonna do it right now :) |
| 15:36.58 | Max_Steel | thanks man |
| 15:37.07 | DavidS | llpamies: use packages.debian.org to search for it |
| 15:37.17 | BleSS | Max_Steel, i think that mr project, i'm not sure |
| 15:37.18 | Kerr | netgod: It doesn't become a selection. |
| 15:37.21 | pizux3 | how to know that? |
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| 15:37.28 | gothtec | How can I forward UDP ports 5120 through 5300 to my other machine? I can't seem to get this right. My current line is "iptables -t nat -A PREROUTING -p udp -i $external_interface -d $external_ip --dport 5120:5300 -j DNAT --to $server_ip:5120:5300". I think my mistake is in the last "--to" part, because when I do "iptables-save" it seems all of the beforementioned ports are forwarded to port 5120. Help? |
| 15:37.29 | pizux3 | newbnewbnewb |
| 15:37.29 | Phossil | hey |
| 15:37.34 | Kerr | netgod: It stays as it looks whilst using the intelligent selector |
| 15:37.34 | xk | pizux3: do you run pppd/pppoe on linux? |
| 15:37.43 | Phossil | quick question about mounting drives |
| 15:37.45 | netgod | Kerr: oic |
| 15:37.45 | Max_Steel | BleSS mr project don't export to msproject |
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| 15:37.56 | Phossil | I can only access mounted drives as root - how do I allow all users access? |
| 15:38.04 | BleSS | Max_Steel, i don't know |
| 15:38.06 | Kraig | gothtec: what about #iptables? doesn't it sound better? |
| 15:38.12 | Kraig | +s |
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| 15:38.14 | Kerr | netgod: How do i get it to become a selection :-/ ? |
| 15:38.16 | gothtec | Kraig: Yes. Yes it does. |
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| 15:38.46 | netgod | Phossil: mount them on a directory that is publically readable; they cant mount stuff themselves, but they should be able to view it if the directory gives them permission |
| 15:38.46 | MrMeee | Trying to find documentation for xfce 3 |
| 15:38.53 | yang | gothtec: you know iptables? |
| 15:38.56 | yang | Which rule must i make in order to block all outgoing connections for port 2000 for all internet except 192.168.1.0/24 with iptables? |
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| 15:39.08 | mwilson | Phossil: man mount |
| 15:39.23 | pizux3 | i think |
| 15:39.23 | pizux3 | i'm in france at tiscali |
| 15:39.40 | FromTO | how do I permanently change my hostname. I tried to change /etc/hosts and issue command hostname but upon reboot the hostname is back to the original name and it complains that it is not in /etc/hosts. by the way do I need to worry about other programs when changing the hostname |
| 15:39.40 | Max_Steel | [asg] o planner not is free |
| 15:39.45 | pizux3 | big shit it dont stop stopping |
| 15:39.46 | asg | FromTO: /msg dpkg hostname |
| 15:39.47 | Phossil | I'll give it a go - thanks |
| 15:39.48 | pizux3 | argggggggggg |
| 15:40.00 | asg | !info planner sarge |
| 15:40.01 | Active2 | yang: iptables -A OUTPUT -s !192.168.1.0/24 -d 2000 -j DROP ? |
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| 15:40.10 | dpkg | planner: (A Project Management Application), section gnome, is optional. Version: 0.12.1-1 (sarge), Packaged size: 1921 kB, Installed size: 3956 kB |
| 15:40.10 | pizux3 | xk, |
| 15:40.11 | yang | Active2: thanks |
| 15:40.14 | Active2 | yang: something like that |
| 15:40.19 | xk | pizux3: ? |
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| 15:40.27 | Kraig | kraig: |
| 15:40.29 | asg | Max_Steel: it is |
| 15:40.35 | stew | yang: s/-d 2000/-p tcp --dport 2000/ |
| 15:40.45 | netgod | <PROTECTED> |
| 15:40.45 | Max_Steel | [asg] do you have the URL? |
| 15:40.48 | asg | Max_Steel: otherwise it wouldn't be in main |
| 15:40.52 | asg | Max_Steel: apt-get install planner |
| 15:41.05 | Max_Steel | [asg] I'm not in linux |
| 15:41.10 | Max_Steel | :( |
| 15:41.19 | FromTO | netgod: thank you |
| 15:41.19 | asg | Max_Steel: grrr ... http://planner.imendio.org/ |
| 15:41.28 | FromTO | asg: thank you |
| 15:41.29 | Max_Steel | :P |
| 15:41.32 | Max_Steel | :** |
| 15:41.33 | asg | FromTO: you're welcome |
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| 15:42.10 | pizux3 | sorry it stopping every 1 minutes |
| 15:42.10 | pizux3 | big shit |
| 15:42.10 | pizux3 | eth0 come down |
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| 15:42.18 | pizux3 | grrrrrrrrr |
| 15:42.23 | xk | lol |
| 15:42.34 | asg | pizux3: do you have a dhcp client running that keeps buggering up a static interface? |
| 15:42.38 | xk | pizux3: does dmesg mention "eth0 link is down" "eth0: link is up" |
| 15:42.46 | Phossil | I changed the permissions on /mnt and /media to be read and write for all users, I also changed the ownership from root to my main user, but I still cannot read from the file |
| 15:42.53 | yang | iptables -A OUTPUT -s !192.168.1.0/24 -d 2000 -j DROP |
| 15:42.53 | yang | iptables -A OUTPUT -s vim /etc/apt/sources.list .168.1.0/24 -d 2000 -j DROP |
| 15:42.53 | yang | Bad argument `/etc/apt/sources.list' |
| 15:42.59 | pizux3 | ok no don't have this message |
| 15:43.29 | Kraig | definitely |
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| 15:44.16 | rasmuson | qolume: 'mktemp /tmp/example.XXX' returns 'mktemp: cannot make temp file /tmp/example.XXX: Invalid argument'. Any ideas? |
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| 15:44.24 | pizux3 | i've got a dhcp running |
| 15:44.33 | rasmuson | damn tab completion |
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| 15:44.42 | xk | asg: maybe you can help him instead :) |
| 15:44.50 | rasmuson | Question: 'mktemp /tmp/example.XXX' returns 'mktemp: cannot make temp file /tmp/example.XXX: Invalid argument'. Any ideas? |
| 15:44.50 | asg | xk: it was just a thought :) |
| 15:44.51 | xk | asg: only thing common is the same dsl modem. |
| 15:44.51 | pizux3 | i've has already stopped the firewall include via telnet |
| 15:44.54 | Active2 | rasmuson: mktemp /tmp/example.XXXXXX (more 'X') |
| 15:45.06 | stew | yang: looks like your shell substitited !192, what shell do you use/ |
| 15:45.10 | pizux3 | but nothing to do more |
| 15:45.14 | rasmuson | Active2: thanks, I'll try that |
| 15:45.16 | asg | rasmuson: is the sticky bit set in /tmp |
| 15:45.27 | pizux3 | xk |
| 15:45.34 | rasmuson | Active2: you're right, THANKS! |
| 15:45.36 | yang | stew: bash |
| 15:45.48 | Active2 | rasmuson: i'm always right :P |
| 15:45.54 | rasmuson | :) |
| 15:45.56 | xk | pizux3: get rid of dhcp and use static IPs instead |
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| 15:46.35 | pizux3 | how to do that with my provide? |
| 15:46.43 | InitMass | ok my sudoers file look like this: |
| 15:46.43 | InitMass | # User privilege specification |
| 15:46.43 | InitMass | root ALL=(ALL) ALL |
| 15:46.43 | InitMass | # Added by Ubuntu installer |
| 15:46.43 | InitMass | victor ALL=(ALL) ALL |
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| 15:46.47 | xk | hah |
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| 15:47.08 | thenuke | happily those bots are pretty fast |
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| 15:47.34 | pizux3 | ok i try to do that thanks xk |
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| 15:47.48 | InitMass | sorry for that post. i got kicked because it was to long. but if anyone got that please help me out |
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| 15:48.11 | Kraig | InitMass: read /topic |
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| 15:48.22 | asg | InitMass: #ubuntu |
| 15:48.46 | InitMass | asg, but they couldn't give me any help in #ubuntu Kraig |
| 15:49.12 | asg | InitMass: and why would we be able to support an os that does things differently than Debian? man 5 sudoers |
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| 15:49.21 | yang | stew: ? |
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| 15:49.41 | foureyes779 | heh |
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| 15:50.40 | InitMass | asg, i have read that man file. i wouldn't see ubuntu as another os |
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| 15:50.57 | ftroop | thats better 3rd install finally got everthing working properly lol |
| 15:51.15 | Kraig | messy :-) |
| 15:51.39 | asg | InitMass: debian doesn't do the sudo non-root account by default thing that ubuntu does; we don't use ubuntu so we don't know what they have done or indeed what your problem is. |
| 15:51.53 | MrMeee | when you install xfce shouldn't you get more than just the fx window manager? |
| 15:52.00 | InitMass | asg ok |
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| 15:52.22 | Active2 | MrMeee: xfce 4.0 ? (you should get a panel and some stuff on the panel) |
| 15:52.28 | MrMeee | no 3 |
| 15:52.29 | asg | InitMass: i'm sure ubuntu has mailing lists, ask there if nobody is alive in #ubuntu. |
| 15:52.43 | Active2 | MrMeee: also a task manager and kind of things... |
| 15:52.51 | Active2 | how did you start xfce ? |
| 15:52.54 | MrMeee | what about fore version free |
| 15:52.59 | MrMeee | startxfce |
| 15:53.08 | Vegar | chkrootkit said 'eth0: PACKET SNIFFER(/sbin/dhclient[3005])' |
| 15:53.13 | MrMeee | version three |
| 15:53.17 | InitMass | asg, i might try that |
| 15:53.32 | xk | Vegar: that's normal. |
| 15:53.46 | asg | Vegar: check the md5sum in /sbin/dhclient if you want to put your mind at ease |
| 15:53.47 | Vegar | Are these normal too? /usr/lib/j2se/1.4/jre/.systemPrefs /usr/lib/j2se/1.4/jre/.systemPrefs/.systemRootModFile /usr/lib/j2se/1.4/jre/.systemPrefs/.system.lock /usr/lib/blender/.Blanguages /usr/lib/blender/.bfont.ttf /usr/lib/transgaming_cedega/.transgaming /usr/lib/j2se/1.4/jre/.systemPrefs /usr/lib/transgaming_cedega/.transgaming |
| 15:53.58 | xk | Vegar: yeah. it's chkrootkit being too anal. |
| 15:54.03 | pw | InitMass: what's the problem? |
| 15:54.08 | Vegar | ok |
| 15:54.11 | Phossil | anyone try nerolinux yet? |
| 15:54.13 | xk | Vegar: what chkrootkit prints out doesn't mean it's wrong. |
| 15:54.17 | Vegar | ok |
| 15:54.18 | xk | Vegar: you have to make that judgment. |
| 15:54.20 | asg | Phossil: #nerolinux |
| 15:54.23 | Phossil | ok |
| 15:54.28 | theshane | Where can I get the newest version of Debian to put on a cd? |
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| 15:54.30 | Vegar | thanks :) |
| 15:54.40 | Phossil | nobody in that channel |
| 15:54.42 | xk | Vegar: but from my observation, it's all good. |
| 15:54.42 | asg | theshane: debian.org |
| 15:54.56 | asg | Phossil: then you are the first to try it. Hang out there and we'll point others there if someone asks. |
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| 15:55.03 | Phossil | haha - ok |
| 15:55.05 | pizux3 | Phossil, u mean nrg? |
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| 15:55.18 | Phossil | no, nero just released a linux client yesterday |
| 15:55.23 | theshane | I know, but I'm confused with all the things I'm at ftp://ftp.debian.org/debian/dists |
| 15:55.35 | pw | InitMass: No. No dcc chat. |
| 15:55.45 | asg | theshane: do you want woody (latest stable) or sarge (testing soon to be new stable)? |
| 15:55.54 | theshane | sarge |
| 15:55.59 | InitMass | pw, i don't want to post my long message again. last time i got kicked |
| 15:56.00 | asg | theshane: /msg dpkg d-i |
| 15:56.11 | pw | InitMass: Let's go to #ubuntu |
| 15:56.19 | InitMass | pw, are you in there? |
| 15:56.45 | cooly | hi. what happens with bind if i set "bla.blabla.com NS ns.blabla.com" and "bla.blabla.com A 123.123.123.123". then i create zone bla.blabla.com on ns ns.blabla.com and add there record "bla.blabla.com A 124.124.124.124". now i have two different ips for one host, which one will be the right? or what happens here? |
| 15:56.51 | asg | cooly: #dns |
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| 15:57.15 | cooly | ok |
| 15:57.26 | asg | cooly: and google for round robin dns (if they don't answer) |
| 15:59.03 | netgod | thats not quite the same as round robin; my guess is that people will end up seeing the 124 data in their queries, even tho behind the scenes, the resolver had to go to 123 to get it |
| 15:59.05 | theshane | asg: i'm trying to get it on a windows machine. I don't have a cd burner on my linux machine |
| 15:59.31 | asg | theshane: then download the iso you want and burn it on a windows machine then |
| 15:59.50 | theshane | asg: that's the problem, I don't know which one I want |
| 15:59.56 | asg | theshane: if you have a supported nic on your linux box, just grab the netinst iso. |
| 16:00.01 | BleSS | somebody with laptop and apm? |
| 16:00.10 | asg | theshane: otherwise, grab cd1 and install from that |
| 16:00.12 | asg | BleSS: yes |
| 16:00.42 | nostrand | Hi, my apt is broken. My system crashed during an upgrade and i pushed the button. Now many libs are broken and i can't install or upgrade packages. They seem to stop during the configuration. |
| 16:00.46 | azreal | netinst still doesnt work with pppoe, correct? |
| 16:00.52 | theshane | asg: Okay, nic = network card? I have one supported, how do I get the netinst iso? |
| 16:00.57 | nostrand | E: Sub-process /usr/bin/dpkg returned an error code (1) |
| 16:01.01 | azreal | you have to use the regular cd? |
| 16:01.20 | asg | theshane: /msg dpkg d-i (there will be a list of supported arches and types to download) |
| 16:01.28 | BleSS | asg, can you show me the output's 'cat /proc/apm' ? |
| 16:01.32 | netgod | nic = network interface card, but "network card" will do for short |
| 16:01.33 | Panzerboy | <PROTECTED> |
| 16:01.46 | theshane | netgod: ya, I figured taht |
| 16:01.46 | asg | BleSS: no, since that laptop isn't here. |
| 16:02.02 | BleSS | asg, i need it for finishing a tools for autoconfiguration in live systems |
| 16:02.06 | BleSS | ok |
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| 16:02.20 | asg | BleSS: someone else might be able to though |
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| 16:02.49 | asg | netgod: apt-get -f install |
| 16:02.51 | BleSS | i'm trying from this morning |
| 16:02.52 | asg | bah |
| 16:03.01 | asg | nostrand: apt-get -f install |
| 16:03.30 | theshane | asg: /msg: no such file or directory |
| 16:03.37 | asg | theshane: type it in your irc client |
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| 16:03.45 | nostrand | asg: which package? |
| 16:03.47 | asg | theshane: our bot will give you information |
| 16:03.52 | asg | nostrand: just type 'apt-get -f install |
| 16:04.06 | nostrand | asg: ok |
| 16:04.09 | theshane | asg: bot? |
| 16:04.11 | duglas | Anybody know when Blackbox 0.70 will get into unstable? |
| 16:04.13 | Maulkin | nostrand: (as root by the way) |
| 16:04.15 | asg | !botsnack |
| 16:04.15 | dpkg | thanks, asg |
| 16:04.15 | theshane | Oh |
| 16:04.17 | nostrand | asg: doesn't work :( |
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| 16:04.40 | asg | nostrand: in what way does it not work? |
| 16:05.05 | nostrand | asg: i believe the packages doesn't get configured |
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| 16:05.14 | nostrand | asg: E: Sub-process /usr/bin/dpkg returned an error code (1) |
| 16:05.22 | covux | hi. is it possible to prevent loading agpgart module at boot (blacklisting it didnt help) cause i want to use nvagp (better performance) and not always remove agpgart with rmmod? thx for any help |
| 16:05.25 | asg | nostrand: which debian are you running? (that is not a relevant error, the error will be above that) |
| 16:05.32 | Maulkin | duglas: See http://bugs.debian.org/cgi-bin/bugreport.cgi?bug=297632 |
| 16:05.36 | nostrand | asg: ok, unstable |
| 16:05.40 | asg | arrrggg |
| 16:05.42 | asg | !sid faq |
| 16:05.42 | dpkg | extra, extra, read all about it, sid faq is http://wooledge.org/~greg/sidfaq.html |
| 16:05.50 | asg | nostrand: you get to fix it then. |
| 16:05.52 | theshane | thanks |
| 16:05.56 | nostrand | asg: how do i pipe the erros to a file? |
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| 16:06.20 | asg | nostrand: foo 2> /bar |
| 16:06.43 | theshane | So I can just put the netinstall disc in my computer and boot up? |
| 16:06.47 | asg | theshane: yes |
| 16:06.52 | theshane | Okay |
| 16:07.06 | asg | theshane: that will install a minimal base and allow you to install the rest via the net. |
| 16:07.28 | theshane | Okay, that's how I did it before, except I did it with floppies |
| 16:07.45 | transgress | i really can't believe someone was scanning my webserver for IIS holes last night... that just makes my fucking day. |
| 16:07.51 | asg | theshane: yeah, same process |
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| 16:08.03 | Maulkin | transgress: Welcome to the internet :) |
| 16:08.08 | asg | transgress: just an infected machine doing it. It's been happening for years. |
| 16:08.21 | nostrand | asg: there seem to be problems with dependencies |
| 16:08.24 | asg | transgress: feel free to blacklist the host if it bothers you. |
| 16:08.33 | asg | nostrand: quite possibly, sid breaks often. Check the bts |
| 16:09.08 | foureyes779 | <PROTECTED> |
| 16:09.10 | transgress | asg: nah it's all good. just entertaining that it's been on a few days now and i'm getting that many hits. |
| 16:09.13 | pizux3 | xk oki can't have a ip fixe with my internet provide |
| 16:09.17 | pizux3 | i'm frenchy fucked |
| 16:09.19 | pizux3 | :((((((( |
| 16:09.21 | nostrand | asg: it is not sid that is broken, it's my system |
| 16:09.25 | asg | transgress: I get more hits from worms than I do legit traffic ;) |
| 16:09.25 | transgress | frenchy fucked? |
| 16:09.32 | transgress | asg: nice. |
| 16:09.35 | transgress | i think i do too |
| 16:09.37 | asg | nostrand: if you were using woody, you wouldn't have this problem |
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| 16:09.52 | asg | nostrand: check the bts for the broken package. |
| 16:10.14 | foureyes779 | if i was to install knoppix on a HD and then do an upgrade from the debian mirror's would it still be considered "knoppix" ? |
| 16:10.14 | nostrand | asg: yes, it broke when i pulled the plug on an update |
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| 16:10.18 | asg | foureyes779: yes |
| 16:10.19 | nostrand | asg: bts? |
| 16:10.25 | asg | nostrand: /msg dpkg sid faq |
| 16:10.27 | nostrand | asg: *upgrade |
| 16:10.28 | asg | nostrand: read it |
| 16:10.32 | nostrand | asg: ok |
| 16:10.35 | PerfDave | foureyes779: Yes |
| 16:10.52 | foureyes779 | asg even if i did an apt-get upgrade from "unstable" ? |
| 16:10.57 | PerfDave | foureyes779: Yes |
| 16:11.02 | asg | foureyes779: yes, there would still be knoppix cruft |
| 16:11.11 | foureyes779 | asg: ok, tnx |
| 16:11.12 | transgress | okay what would make my internet connection not work on my main box, but it can connect to my other box via ssh, and it will connect to the internet(hence i'm still on irc) |
| 16:11.17 | PerfDave | foureyes779: And you'd be running a bizarre knoppix/sid hybrid that nobody could help you with and would break lots. |
| 16:11.25 | PerfDave | transgress: Default rout |
| 16:11.29 | foureyes779 | hmm |
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| 16:11.46 | transgress | come to think of it... this one is still working for the most part... because gaim is still kicking... |
| 16:11.49 | PerfDave | foureyes779: If you want Debian, run Debian. And run Sarge, not sid. |
| 16:11.56 | transgress | nm it isn't |
| 16:11.57 | asg | foureyes779: however, you can save the config files from a knoppix box and use them as references for configuring a debian box. |
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| 16:12.08 | asg | !tell RootsLINUX about root |
| 16:12.09 | transgress | PerfDave a fix would be? |
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| 16:12.40 | foureyes779 | well, looks like it's time to start over then.... |
| 16:13.27 | MobyTurbo | asg: "roots" is his user name |
| 16:13.37 | RootsLINUX | :) |
| 16:13.57 | RootsLINUX | Ya, Roots is what I go by everywhere |
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| 16:14.00 | foureyes779 | i installed Knoppix (Operator Live-CD) and then changed the sources.list to point to "unstable" and did and "apt-get upgrade" |
| 16:14.08 | RootsLINUX | Except some bastard on Freenode registered the nick Roots before I could :P |
| 16:14.31 | transgress | brb |
| 16:14.48 | MobyTurbo | foureyes779: then you've got a setup that is neither knoppix nor Debian. |
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| 16:14.54 | nostrand | asg: it is not sid's fault, it's my system. I've encountered problems with sid before but not anywhere near this |
| 16:14.58 | foureyes779 | four-nix |
| 16:15.04 | MobyTurbo | foureyes779: and liable to be broken with nobody to help |
| 16:15.09 | nostrand | asg: many libs are broken too |
| 16:15.12 | foureyes779 | forNixCate |
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| 16:15.24 | nostrand | asg: ldconfig doesn't work either |
| 16:15.30 | foureyes779 | heh |
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| 16:16.45 | asg | MobyTurbo: ;) |
| 16:17.06 | dragonbyte | takatumi: you around? I got xorg installed, glxgears looks like it goes faster...but reports a lower fps...you get the same thing? |
| 16:17.24 | foureyes779 | MobyTurbo: so i would be better off deleting "/" and reinstallling Debian "sid" ? |
| 16:17.55 | asg | nostrand: then get a copy of busybox and manually fix the broken packages. |
| 16:18.03 | nostrand | asg: ok |
| 16:18.06 | MobyTurbo | foureyes779: /msg dpkg d-i, even if you want sid rather than sarge you want to use the sarge installer. (Unless you need ppp) |
| 16:18.28 | foureyes779 | MobyTurbo: ok, i will read up on it....tnx |
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| 16:19.05 | transgress | ok then |
| 16:19.28 | ningo | The swirl is devil red |
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| 16:19.47 | asg | ningo: so |
| 16:19.55 | ningo | And its skin's the color of mocha |
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| 16:20.30 | asg | ningo: you going to do the macarena next? |
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| 16:20.50 | ningo | i'm thinking about it right now, yes |
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| 16:22.47 | RootsLINUX | can someone help me? I'm trying to cross-compile a kernel for AMD64. This is what I'm putting on the cmd line: |
| 16:22.50 | RootsLINUX | harima:/usr/src/kernel-source-2.6.8# make-kpkg --initrd --arch k8 --cross_compile k8 --append_to_version sawachika kernel_image |
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| 16:23.01 | RootsLINUX | and I get a bunch of these: unknown Debian architecture k8, you must specify GNU system type, too at /usr/bin/dpkg-architecture line 198. |
| 16:23.11 | asg | RootsLINUX: try #debian-amd64 |
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| 16:23.20 | ningo | hehelol, i just figured out that it's real easy to get a root account on a random box |
| 16:23.37 | InitMass | pw, thanx for the help |
| 16:23.43 | RootsLINUX | I did yesterday. They are all pure64 users, I'm trying to make a mixed system (64bit kernel and video drivers, 32bit everything else) |
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| 16:24.09 | ningo | <someone> hi, i'm a guy you stumbled over for about 4 years, and now i have a problem with my debian server: i don't know how anything works, you want root? |
| 16:24.14 | ningo | <me> yes |
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| 16:25.06 | asg | ningo: the ethical answer would be '<me> no, and don't offer it to anyone else either. Buy a book.' |
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| 16:25.11 | RootsLINUX | When I run #dpkg-architecture -- help it prints "x86_64-linux" is a known Debian architecture |
| 16:25.15 | ningo | and please don't name yourself hehelol , because i've the annoying habit to press tab each time i write heh |
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| 16:25.25 | RootsLINUX | So I try this: harima:/usr/src/kernel-source-2.6.8# make-kpkg --initrd --arch x86_64-linux --cross_compile x86_64-linux --append_to_version sawachika kernel_image |
| 16:25.26 | xal | is ther a way to get the boot up process a bit less verbose? |
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| 16:25.36 | RootsLINUX | and it returns this: unknown Debian architecture x86_64-linux, you must specify GNU system type, too at /usr/bin/dpkg-architecture line 198. |
| 16:25.38 | xal | its almost impossible to see errors since there is no color coding and tons of noise |
| 16:25.38 | ningo | asg, but unfortunately i'm not ethnic correct ;) |
| 16:25.38 | asg | xal: compile less in your kernel |
| 16:25.48 | xal | asg well usb just spams me |
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| 16:26.00 | xal | the kernel is actually pretty slim |
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| 16:26.21 | asg | xal: who cares, the boot lasts a few seconds or so. Go get a beer while that's happening or imagine you are seeing naked {girls,guys,badgers} |
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| 16:26.34 | xal | i like the way you think asg |
| 16:26.39 | nagual | xal: you remind me of that guy i saw post on windowsforums who *really* needed to find out how to set higher than 60 hz during windowsboot cause it hurt his eyes :) |
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| 16:26.51 | asg | xal: /msg dpkg bootsplash if your imagination needs a jumpstart |
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| 16:27.30 | xal | i'm actually for real. i don't care how boot looks but signal to noise ratio is very high and i just want to be sure everything goes alright |
| 16:27.35 | xal | not so important though |
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| 16:28.07 | RootsLINUX | Do you guys typically create seperate / and /home partitions for your Debian desktop systems? |
| 16:28.13 | nagual | xal: use the 'pause' key ;-) |
| 16:28.16 | RootsLINUX | What do you do if / runs out of space? |
| 16:28.24 | G400 | compiling alsa modules - want to include kernel headers from kernel I compiled earlier - what option do I need to pass to alsa's configure script? |
| 16:28.27 | nagual | or read dmesg and /var/log/messages|syslog after boot is done |
| 16:28.31 | ningo | i'd think about badgers with sexy guys |
| 16:28.47 | nagual | RootsLINUX: get more diskspace elsewhere and put stuff on there. or delete stuff ;) |
| 16:29.39 | RootsLINUX | Yeah, I want to resize root and home to take off 15GB from /home and add it to / |
| 16:29.47 | RootsLINUX | But it doesn't seem like that's going to be easy.... |
| 16:30.02 | RootsLINUX | It seems I'll have to repartition....everything |
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| 16:31.33 | OleMoudi | how long usually takes packages like gnome 2.10 to make it to testing once they are relased? |
| 16:31.50 | xal | RootsLINUX i set up all my machines with LVM these days |
| 16:32.00 | xal | RootsLINUX highly recommended |
| 16:32.05 | ningo | OleMoudi, depends |
| 16:32.21 | xal | RootsLINUX i usually have a 64mb /boot ext2 partition and the rest lives in LVM |
| 16:32.55 | RootsLINUX | LVM? |
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| 16:33.43 | ningo | !info lvm2 |
| 16:33.47 | xal | lets you create virtual partition tables. for example on partition which spans many hard drives |
| 16:33.48 | dpkg | lvm2: (The Linux Logical Volume Manager), section admin, is optional. Version: 2.01.04-3 (sid), Packaged size: 263 kB, Installed size: 772 kB |
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| 16:33.55 | xal | and you can resize them however you like |
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| 16:34.53 | RootsLINUX | Hmm interesting |
| 16:35.55 | BleSS | somebody with laptop and apm? i need output's 'cat /proc/apm' |
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| 16:36.37 | Shane^ | theshane: You are truly playing with my highlight here |
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| 16:38.40 | Mookie | Custom compiled 2.6.8, but my wireless card (TrueMobile 1150) not working. I see that hermes and orinoco drivers get loaded at boot, but google says there should be a orinoco_cs driver. Not finding it. Heh. |
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| 16:39.58 | Mookie | If anyone has any experience with getting on-board PCI cards detected, drop me a msg. *shrug* |
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| 16:40.43 | RootsLINUX | Mookie, did you make sure to compile PCIMCA (or whatever the acronym is) into your kernel? And if you installed it as a module, did you load that module? |
| 16:41.35 | Mookie | RootsLINUX: looking... pcmcia_core is loaded... let me check my configuration and verify this is it. |
| 16:41.45 | mrhemlock | How do I force a fsck on reboot ? |
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| 16:45.07 | Mookie | RootsLINUX: Yes, but I only have yenta-compatible bridge support enabled.. maybe I should try i82092 and/or i82365 support. This is an older laptop. |
| 16:45.08 | cahoot | mrhemlock: shutdown -rF |
| 16:45.10 | RootsLINUX | mrhemlock, I don't know if there is a better way than this but maybe you can rename reboot to reboot-system, then write a script called reboot that runs fsck and then reboot-system? |
| 16:45.27 | RootsLINUX | Ok, I'm defeated =D |
| 16:45.50 | DavidS | mrhemlock: take a look at tune2fs |
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| 16:49.08 | nexuslab | how can I have information from a shell about my video card chipset...i'm installing xwindow on debian |
| 16:49.08 | jessevdk | Hi, I developed a library for my own uses, and I'd like to package it. Problem is that when I try packaging it the actual files don't end up in the deb file, only autogenerated files like docs end up there. Any suggestions? |
| 16:49.23 | jethro | does d-i support install with a pppoe internet connexion? |
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| 16:50.39 | netgod | jessevdk: study debian/rules in a similar, simple library package; debhelper can only do so much, the key parts of the package are put in place manually |
| 16:50.52 | sdogi | did the sarge installation floppies changed recently or something? |
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| 16:51.17 | sdogi | i get list of things to download, trying to download all debian installer components, then i get error about libc6 and segfault |
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| 16:51.26 | jessevdk | netgod: I tried, the files do end up in debian/tmp though |
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| 16:51.45 | mrhemlock | DavidS, thnx thats what I needed ! |
| 16:52.16 | Mookie | cardctl status detects the card, lspci does not |
| 16:52.29 | FieldySnuts | cardctl is for pcmcia, lspci is not |
| 16:53.33 | Mookie | I'm pretty new to linux on laptops. *nod* |
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| 16:54.55 | Mookie | I was going to just track back the error messge from ifup using Google, but it's pretty obscure. |
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| 16:55.39 | mrhemlock | l |
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| 16:56.58 | jessevdk | somehow files don't get copied from debian/tmp to the package .deb |
| 16:57.03 | sfinks | Laptops are variable - according to makers |
| 16:57.12 | sfinks | I can't get my sound to work |
| 16:57.49 | naudix | Dude, I'm pissed 'conkeror' is such an awesome hacker's hacker web browser but it relies on the firefox-1.0nb2 which is full of bugs and vulnerabilities |
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| 16:57.58 | sfinks | and if I go to 2.6 dhcp doesn't work.... :-/ |
| 16:58.29 | sussudio | naudix: any more nonsense you'd like to spew? |
| 16:58.35 | sfinks | naudix - are you saying that konqueror is hackable? |
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| 16:58.43 | pngwn | pitiful |
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| 16:59.36 | naudix | sfinks: 'Conkeror' moron |
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| 16:59.49 | El_Gato | Hi |
| 16:59.53 | sfinks | :-p |
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| 17:00.01 | naudix | sussudio: mozilla is shit full of holes too .. what are you an ostrich with your head in the sand ? |
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| 17:00.19 | JoshH | naudix: you need to get a life. |
| 17:00.22 | Ronin | glad i woke up in time to see the children are on again |
| 17:00.27 | naudix | JoshH: define 'life' ? |
| 17:00.33 | JoshH | not being a dumbass on IRC |
| 17:00.50 | El_Gato | can anybody help me with a problem? |
| 17:00.51 | paulswm | sussudio: I see Sunday is in full swing :( |
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| 17:00.59 | Ronin | JoshH: sure they're only like this on irc and not in general? |
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| 17:01.11 | JoshH | Ronin: not sure at all, actually. |
| 17:01.11 | naudix | JoshH: It is 'Sunday' after all |
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| 17:02.52 | pebkac | hi, need a viable solution for transcoding avi's from my camcorder with testing/unstable |
| 17:03.33 | pebkac | which packages work together? |
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| 17:04.07 | sussudio | naudix: you appear to be a fucktard. Konqueror does not depend on firefox. |
| 17:04.18 | pebkac | I do have transcode 0.6.14-0.2 from marillat |
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| 17:04.35 | borius | is there a good web script that analyzes apache logs and shows nifty statistics? |
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| 17:05.06 | pebkac | and I get: API in encore.h is not compatible with installed lbdivxencore library |
| 17:05.13 | sussudio | pebkac: i doubt your camcorder creates avi's |
| 17:05.46 | sfinks | borius - webalizer |
| 17:05.47 | pebkac | hm sussudio, I do: dvgrab --buffers 10 --jpeg-quality 100 --autosplit --frames ${frmax} --opendml --format dv2 ${name}- |
| 17:05.56 | paulswm | sussudio: 'conkeror' == mozilla based browser |
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| 17:06.46 | sussudio | !info conkeror |
| 17:07.00 | sussudio | paulswm: nope. doesn't even exist. |
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| 17:07.28 | ptlis | sussudio: http://conkeror.mozdev.org/ |
| 17:07.39 | sussudio | ptlis: if it's not in debian, i don't care. |
| 17:07.44 | ptlis | :P |
| 17:08.21 | paulswm | sussudio: I don't care either, but it does exist |
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| 17:08.42 | sfinks | how do I get my mouse wheel to work? Sarge on a toshiba laptop... |
| 17:08.44 | RS | i'm doing a record!!, bann me |
| 17:08.47 | RS | bann record |
| 17:08.51 | sussudio | paulswm: poop exists. you don't see me going on about how poop is bad in here. |
| 17:09.04 | sussudio | mkay ban finland now. |
| 17:09.21 | calin | o.0 |
| 17:09.42 | paulswm | sussudio: But you said that it didn't exists, and it does, is all |
| 17:09.43 | RS | yea, i'm from finland, and bann me |
| 17:09.54 | CoLoRiTaS|away | Hi, could you help me to solve default 2.4 kernel in debian 3.0 rev4 problem with that 137Gb limit? |
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| 17:10.12 | sussudio | paulswm: you can join the two parts of "it is not in debian" and "if it's not in debian, i don't care" together. |
| 17:10.21 | CoLoRiTaS|away | I have 2x 200 Gb SATA and need to set it up some how |
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| 17:10.38 | RS | linux sucks |
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| 17:10.55 | nagual | RS: you are oh so correct |
| 17:11.05 | mesche | hello |
| 17:11.05 | nagual | RS: thank you for coming in here and sharing your wisdom with us |
| 17:11.07 | calin | Yes, linux sux, and it also swallows |
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| 17:11.11 | calin | =] |
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| 17:11.24 | sussudio | RS: don't you have some naked men to join in the sauna? |
| 17:11.29 | mesche | HEllo i need help with linux please qry |
| 17:11.41 | calin | hah, he wants a query |
| 17:11.45 | mesche | no |
| 17:11.46 | mesche | but |
| 17:11.52 | RS | bann me |
| 17:11.58 | RS | bann me |
| 17:12.02 | mesche | do you know knopix????????? |
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| 17:12.06 | nagual | RS: if you leave all the fun is gone from this channel :( |
| 17:12.08 | calin | !knoppix |
| 17:12.08 | dpkg | Knoppix is _not_ Debian. Seek knoppix help in #knoppix. For those of you who don't know, knoppix is a livecd distro based on debian. It's useful as a rescue cd, to test hardware, and for situations where you have access to a computer but it doesn't run debian. http://www.knoppix.com/ |
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| 17:12.44 | RS | dephelper, BANN MEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEE |
| 17:12.53 | RS | or i.......... |
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| 17:13.07 | RS | or i will do somthing (i haven't deside) |
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| 17:13.22 | calin | there |
| 17:13.24 | calin | you're banned |
| 17:13.26 | *** part/#debian RS (JavaUser@dsl-hkigw8k87.dial.inet.fi) |
| 17:13.29 | calin | hahahaha |
| 17:13.30 | calin | w00t |
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| 17:13.46 | nagual | ;-) |
| 17:13.52 | mesche | do you know knopix????????? |
| 17:13.56 | RS | erer |
| 17:14.00 | sussudio | mesche: go away |
| 17:14.03 | calin | !tell mesche about knoppix |
| 17:14.30 | RS | >-( |
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| 17:14.49 | nagual | RS: come on, do something really bad now |
| 17:14.52 | calin | yeah |
| 17:14.55 | RS | BANN MEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEE |
| 17:14.56 | calin | like flood the channel |
| 17:14.59 | calin | that's a good one |
| 17:15.12 | RS | you asbangers go to hell |
| 17:15.15 | calin | hah |
| 17:15.18 | calin | yeah |
| 17:15.20 | calin | ooh |
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| 17:15.26 | calin | screw a joint |
| 17:15.30 | nagual | RS: is that really the worse you can do? |
| 17:15.35 | nagual | calin: dont mind if i do |
| 17:15.46 | RS | njah |
| 17:15.50 | nagual | unfortunately, irl i dont have any right now, i havent smoked any in 3 months |
| 17:16.03 | calin | nagual: i haven't smoked in about three days |
| 17:16.11 | RS | you big *************** |
| 17:16.20 | calin | ... |
| 17:16.21 | calin | omg |
| 17:16.23 | calin | hahahahahaha |
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| 17:16.29 | nagual | calin: you are only a faggot if you take it. dont you have any greek friends at all? :) |
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| 17:16.37 | mesche | yes invalid i dont no whats the problem its one question what do you do is not good for the hole linux community |
| 17:16.40 | RS | huah |
| 17:16.42 | nagual | RS: im gonna tell my mom on you! |
| 17:16.47 | RS | how can i get baNned? |
| 17:16.53 | CoLoRiTaS | sorry I got DC, please repeat answer if you can. |
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| 17:17.02 | calin | RS: Just leave the channela nd never come back, it's about the same |
| 17:17.17 | mesche | do you know knopix????????? |
| 17:17.17 | RS | but i can't then do the record |
| 17:17.50 | nagual | what record? |
| 17:18.02 | RS | guinnes |
| 17:18.07 | calin | ... |
| 17:18.08 | nagual | RS: you never been banned before and now want o beat your own record? |
| 17:18.15 | RS | guinnes world recors |
| 17:18.23 | calin | RS: how are you going to prove to them that you've been banned? |
| 17:18.33 | nagual | you know what rs, i will give you the guiness world record of spelling if you want it. |
| 17:18.43 | RS | its only 2 channels what i'm not banned from |
| 17:18.48 | RS | this and unbutu |
| 17:18.50 | simonrvn | o/~ it's sundaaay again o/~ |
| 17:19.04 | RS | rs is my name |
| 17:19.10 | drini | you're not banned from #drini, you know? |
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| 17:19.14 | RS | my first an surname |
| 17:19.16 | foureyes779 | <PROTECTED> |
| 17:19.40 | transgress | anyone use jabber? |
| 17:19.41 | calin | hahah |
| 17:19.45 | cahoot | foureyes779: done when i called himself ra |
| 17:19.45 | nagual | ;-) |
| 17:19.53 | cahoot | foureyes779: done when he called himself ra |
| 17:19.54 | RS | BANN MEE |
| 17:20.00 | calin | transgress: i could if i felt like it |
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| 17:20.02 | foureyes779 | hahaha |
| 17:20.22 | boukensya | hey guys.. I just bought a g3 ibook.. I was just wondering what architech should I download? |
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| 17:20.35 | simonrvn | boukensya: what do you think? |
| 17:20.36 | RS | bann me |
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| 17:20.38 | RS | bann me |
| 17:20.45 | boukensya | simonrvn powerpc maybe? |
| 17:20.45 | RS | bann me |
| 17:20.47 | calin | keep saying it |
| 17:20.47 | RS | bann me |
| 17:20.50 | RS | bann me |
| 17:20.50 | calin | RS: faster |
| 17:20.54 | RS | bann me |
| 17:20.57 | calin | RS: press up and enter |
| 17:21.00 | foureyes779 | what abt PPC ? |
| 17:21.02 | simonrvn | faster faster! |
| 17:21.03 | Rawplayer | !ops rs wants to be banned |
| 17:21.03 | RS | bann me |
| 17:21.03 | dpkg | Hydroxide, bob2, caphuso, dondelelcaro, doogie, eeyore-, ElectricElf, greycat, helix, ljlane, LoRez, mentor, Netsnipe, TML, walters, xk: rs wants to be banned |
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| 17:21.09 | simonrvn | boukensya: yes |
| 17:21.10 | *** mode/#Debian [+o ElectricElf] by ChanServ |
| 17:21.13 | RS | bann me |
| 17:21.15 | RS | bann me |
| 17:21.15 | *** mode/#Debian [+b *!*@dsl-hkigw8k87.dial.inet.fi] by ElectricElf |
| 17:21.18 | *** mode/#Debian [-o ElectricElf] by ChanServ |
| 17:21.20 | calin | owned |
| 17:21.22 | doublehp | I have an initrd file , I can mount -oloop it under 2.6 but not 2.4; is there an other way to extract its content under 2.4 ? |
| 17:21.25 | Sordok | Hi @ all |
| 17:21.26 | boukensya | okay.. why is mac's called powerpc? |
| 17:21.26 | Rawplayer | thanks! :) |
| 17:21.30 | simonrvn | pwned |
| 17:21.35 | trk-nn- | is/disconnect |
| 17:21.41 | simonrvn | boukensya: that's the CPU in them |
| 17:21.45 | doublehp | !irritate rs |
| 17:21.46 | dpkg | rs: HELP ME!!! who uses kde ???/ |
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| 17:22.11 | mesche | do you know knopix????????? |
| 17:22.16 | boukensya | cool.. how does debian run on a mac? just getting into macs now |
| 17:22.19 | doublehp | boukensya: cat /proc/cpuinfo |
| 17:22.21 | WiFiTux | someone knows why I don't have my cpu anymore under /proc/acpi/thermal_zone/THMO? :( |
| 17:22.22 | simonrvn | mesche: yes, #knoppix |
| 17:22.39 | RRT | Sarge install is failing to identify my CD drive and install fails. How can it boot from the CD, start the setup proceedure and then fail to identify the drive? Can I do something to help the preceedure along? |
| 17:22.40 | Sordok | Can somebody help me i hava some Newbie Questions |
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| 17:22.46 | mesche | NOBODY HELPS AT # KNOPPIX |
| 17:22.50 | simonrvn | boukensya: it runs, like any other arch in the debian universe |
| 17:22.54 | stew | Sordok: we can't help until you start asking the questions ;) |
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| 17:23.01 | doublehp | mesche: thats not our poroblem |
| 17:23.06 | stew | mesche: try a mailing list or a different distro then |
| 17:23.08 | simonrvn | mesche: then be patient and please stop wearing on ours |
| 17:23.12 | doublehp | mesche: dont expect anything from any one |
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| 17:23.21 | BleSS | somebody with laptop and apm? i need output's 'cat /proc/apm' |
| 17:23.21 | doublehp | mesche: you may ask, but not expect. |
| 17:23.22 | foureyes779 | deb run's real nicely on PPC |
| 17:23.26 | boukensya | simonrvn many things that you can't do with it cuz it is a mac? like wine and stuff won't work will it? |
| 17:23.32 | nagual | mesche: i will help you if you pay me your whole months allowance! |
| 17:23.48 | drini | that might be 0 dollars, you know, nagual? |
| 17:23.52 | nagual | boukensya: packages.debian.org |
| 17:24.04 | simonrvn | boukensya: no, it can run mol. why would you run wine on it? ;p |
| 17:24.09 | doublehp | mesche: I take less than nagual : 1 week for me |
| 17:24.10 | Sordok | i have installed Debian from a Knoppix CD now i can not add new progs (First Linux in Life) |
| 17:24.15 | sfinks | BleSS - 1.16 1.2 0x02 0x01 0x00 0x01 100% 136 min |
| 17:24.16 | nagual | drini: he probably counts in euro :) |
| 17:24.22 | drini | hahaha :) |
| 17:24.25 | simonrvn | boukensya: the wine folks started a pp port, dunno how far along it is |
| 17:24.26 | boukensya | well some of the win32 codecs don't work on it either do they? |
| 17:24.27 | calin | !tell Sordok about knoppix |
| 17:24.34 | nagual | doublehp: lets team up we´ll take 5 weeks worth of allowance! |
| 17:24.39 | simonrvn | boukensya: s/pp/ppc/ |
| 17:24.42 | boukensya | neat (; |
| 17:24.57 | BleSS | sfinks, thanks |
| 17:24.58 | doublehp | :) |
| 17:25.04 | foureyes779 | Linux debian 2.4.27-powerpc #1 ven sep 3 09:34:51 CEST 2004 ppc GNU/Linux |
| 17:25.06 | stew | Sordok: read the apt-howto, and in the future ask knoppix questions in #knoppix |
| 17:25.09 | foureyes779 | w00t |
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| 17:25.22 | tinex | how do I set a proxy for wget? |
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| 17:25.35 | sfinks | Sordok - better still - do a proper install of debian :-) |
| 17:25.36 | doublehp | I have an initrd file , I can mount -oloop it under Linux 2.6 but not 2.4; is there an other way to extract its content under 2.4 ? |
| 17:25.42 | PerfDave | tinex: man wget |
| 17:25.50 | tinex | PerfDave: it doesn't tell you how. |
| 17:25.53 | doublehp | tinex: exort http_proxy="http://computer:port" |
| 17:25.55 | tarzeau | moo |
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| 17:25.58 | tinex | doublehp: thanks |
| 17:26.04 | airlynx | Question open to group: If I skipped the swap partition at installation, is there a way to do it later? |
| 17:26.12 | nagual | airlynx: yes. |
| 17:26.14 | PerfDave | tinex: Yes it does |
| 17:26.14 | doublehp | tinex: thats 50€ |
| 17:26.20 | tarzeau | how can i use /lastlog to grep for "_" ? |
| 17:26.27 | doublehp | tinex: export |
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| 17:26.30 | tarzeau | irssi tells me -!- Irssi: /LASTLOG would print 1301 lines. If you really want to print all these lines use -force option. |
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| 17:26.43 | boukensya | cheers guys (; |
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| 17:26.51 | nagual | tarzeau: /lastlog -force _ |
| 17:27.00 | nagual | tarzeau: or put it to a file |
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| 17:27.27 | Sordok | time to get debian |
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| 17:27.44 | addNtoX | hi folks |
| 17:27.47 | tinex | doublehp: yeah i figured, thanks.. what's 50€? typo? |
| 17:28.14 | calin | !ops mesche is trolling/harassing via /msg |
| 17:28.15 | dpkg | Hydroxide, bob2, caphuso, dondelelcaro, doogie, eeyore-, ElectricElf, greycat, helix, ljlane, LoRez, mentor, Netsnipe, TML, walters, xk: mesche is trolling/harassing via /msg |
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| 17:28.40 | cafe_roy | Sordok: wise move - u won't be sorry :) |
| 17:28.46 | RRT | Sarge setup fails, says it can't identify my CD-ROM but it is booted with the CD!! How do I fix this? |
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| 17:29.30 | PerfDave | tarzeau: "lastlog -window #debian _" or similar should limit it a little. |
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| 17:29.58 | Sordok | anybody knows a alternativ vor alien??? |
| 17:30.11 | nagual | Sordok: there isnt any |
| 17:30.13 | Morrowyn | predator? ;) (j/k) |
| 17:30.21 | netgod | Sordok: cpio and hacking the thing yourself |
| 17:30.22 | nagual | and its called 'for' in english :) |
| 17:30.23 | tarzeau | Sordok: make proper debian packages yourself? |
| 17:30.46 | nagual | Sordok: but 7-zip can extract .debs if you got windows :) |
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| 17:31.35 | sfinks | Sordok - can you not doa network install? |
| 17:31.40 | Sordok | hmm i want intall a packacket but it doesnt work |
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| 17:32.15 | Rez | meh, that's not the real netgod |
| 17:32.28 | Sordok | i installed my dad a PC 400Mhz and only Isdn here |
| 17:32.33 | netgod | Rex: how many of us are there? |
| 17:32.43 | SigmaX | hey folks. I'm on a debian shell with a 500MB hd... and six shell screens, ttys, whatever they're called. HOw can I get, say, eight instead of six? |
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| 17:32.59 | jetscreamer | man inittab SigmaX |
| 17:33.31 | cahoot | SigmaX: and/or look at screen |
| 17:33.37 | drini | No manual entry for SigmaX |
| 17:33.47 | jetscreamer | lol |
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| 17:34.34 | SigmaX | lol |
| 17:34.51 | SigmaX | jetscreamer: Thanx, I think I've figure it out. tootles group |
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| 17:35.24 | nexuslab | question: installing proftpd server do u think is it better to load it by inetd or as autonomous service? |
| 17:35.37 | calin | !ops mesche is still harassing via /msg |
| 17:35.38 | dpkg | Hydroxide, bob2, caphuso, dondelelcaro, doogie, eeyore-, ElectricElf, greycat, helix, ljlane, LoRez, mentor, Netsnipe, TML, walters, xk: mesche is still harassing via /msg |
| 17:36.00 | netgod | nexuslab: autonomous, unless it will almost never be used |
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| 17:36.07 | caphuso | calin: and what do you expect an op to do against that? |
| 17:36.15 | drini | put him on /ignore |
| 17:36.26 | caphuso | calin: come over to your house and type in the /ignore command for you? |
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| 17:36.30 | guestish | hey |
| 17:36.45 | Sordok | now anybody why i can not packet with kpacked |
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| 17:36.58 | calin | caphuso: He's better off gone anyway, still trying to get knoppix help from #debian |
| 17:37.14 | calin | bah |
| 17:37.15 | calin | screw it |
| 17:37.23 | calin | /ignore time |
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| 17:38.27 | brosio | hi, how could i turn on dma on my dvd ? |
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| 17:39.00 | bizkit | brosio: man hdparm |
| 17:39.41 | sdogi | if anyone cares to report it then.. if you have low ram,, (16MB) and you are trying to use sarge floppies to install debian then you fail and get segfaults, i haven't really got time to examine it, so i just added ram so it wouldn't ask me to select installable modules manually |
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| 17:40.03 | peppo | http://pastebin.com/255029 -- trying to build a kernel, and I end up with that error. can't figure out how to work around it. my kernel's version number is 2.6.11-RT-V0.7.40-00 after some realtime patches. |
| 17:40.37 | FieldySnuts | @lart sdogi |
| 17:40.58 | cahoot | peppo: just make the extraversion lowercase as suggested |
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| 17:41.02 | peppo | the problem is with debian's make-kpkg, and its rules. I need t... |
| 17:41.03 | Joris | does anyone have an idea how I tell hotplug to load alsa instead of oss? |
| 17:41.14 | peppo | cahoot, well, problem is, there's no extraversion, as I can tell |
| 17:41.19 | bizkit | peppo: is there error not clear? the things in EXTRAVERSION have to be in lowercase |
| 17:41.21 | peppo | cahoot, the uppercase is in the kernel's --version |
| 17:41.25 | zeffy | When I reset my machine the system clock gets decreced by 2 hours (2+GMT), when I boot the system the clock is ok. any ideas? |
| 17:41.29 | cahoot | peppo: in Makefile |
| 17:41.40 | peppo | oh. |
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| 17:41.52 | peppo | hm, does make-kpkg allow you to disregard those rules? |
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| 17:42.07 | Joris | peppo: that would be a bad idea |
| 17:42.15 | Joris | peppo: it's dpkg that will chocke on it later |
| 17:42.15 | BadMan | How the heck do I stop my xserver so I can install nVidia's newest modules.... |
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| 17:42.24 | bizkit | peppo: edit /usr/src/linux/Makefile |
| 17:42.27 | BadMan | ctrl alt bkspc only restarts it |
| 17:42.30 | doublehp | I have an initrd file , I can mount -oloop it under 2.6 but not 2.4; is there an other way to extract its content under 2.4 ? |
| 17:42.31 | nolf | how do you stop services from starting up at boot time? |
| 17:42.32 | peppo | Joris, changing my Makefile to abide debian rules for a package that won't be distributed is bad too? |
| 17:42.36 | peppo | bizkit, yeah, found it, thanks |
| 17:42.39 | brosio | if i run |
| 17:42.45 | brosio | hdparm -i /dev/hdc |
| 17:42.46 | brosio | UDMA modes: udma0 udma1 *udma2 |
| 17:42.53 | brosio | so udma2 is enable ? |
| 17:42.59 | shek | hi I just bought a usb wireless adapter (netgear MA111) to install on my debian sarge (kernel#2.6.8-2) I went to linux-wlan and downloaded the drivers and everything and followed all the instructions and didnt get significant errors. But now I cannot do a iwconfig , of ifconfig wlan0 returns : No such device |
| 17:43.00 | paulswm | brosio: yes |
| 17:43.01 | Joris | peppo: yes. you'll most likely run into problems later |
| 17:43.03 | shek | any ideas? |
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| 17:43.26 | brosio | paulswm, but if i run hdparm -d 1 /dev/hdc |
| 17:43.27 | FieldySnuts | shek: those don't work in linux, i speak from experience. take it back. those who say it works are wrong. |
| 17:43.27 | peppo | does debian unstable use initrd for kernel images? |
| 17:43.28 | doublehp | nolf: runlevel ; mv /etc/rc3.d/S??nana /etc/rc3.d/K??nana |
| 17:43.29 | bizkit | brosio: * signifies the current active mode |
| 17:43.32 | BadMan | !dpkg stop x |
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| 17:43.33 | brosio | setting using_dma to 1 (on) |
| 17:43.33 | brosio | <PROTECTED> |
| 17:43.33 | brosio | <PROTECTED> |
| 17:43.36 | FieldySnuts | stop flooding |
| 17:43.38 | peppo | Joris, you think just changing Makefile will be insufficient? |
| 17:43.41 | Joris | shek: for starters, it's easier to use the debian packaged drivers |
| 17:44.01 | Joris | peppo: you'd have to modify (or maybe pass a parameter to) the make-kpkg program |
| 17:44.21 | nolf | doublehp, what does the command do |
| 17:44.29 | Joris | shek: try running iwconfig without specifying a device, it will list all devices (some wlan drivers use different interface names) |
| 17:44.31 | shek | <joris>but I couldnt find any debian drivers for usb wireless |
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| 17:44.32 | paulswm | brosio: The mode is active, but dma isn't enabled, I assume that you are trying to change it as root |
| 17:44.33 | peppo | Joris, I was looking for that parameter. couldn't find it. hopefully changing the Makefile will do |
| 17:44.38 | doublehp | nolf: you have to tweek |
| 17:44.46 | FieldySnuts | shek: wasting your time with that. have fun |
| 17:44.55 | Joris | peppo: why do you absolutely want an uppercase extraversion? |
| 17:44.56 | shek | fieldysnuts I have no other option |
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| 17:45.01 | Joris | peppo: why not change it to lowercase? |
| 17:45.05 | shek | I dont have pci or pcmcia slots |
| 17:45.07 | shek | only usb |
| 17:45.13 | laptop_crash3m | debian is flakey and retarded |
| 17:45.13 | peppo | Joris, I changed the kernel's Makefile now. |
| 17:45.15 | FieldySnuts | shek: the device does NOT work in linux, it doesn't care about your situation. |
| 17:45.16 | peppo | Joris, but that FEELS bad |
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| 17:45.40 | Joris | peppo: *sigh* it's only a kernel extraversion... |
| 17:45.47 | shek | <fielysnuts> then what device works? I will try that |
| 17:46.01 | BadMan | I need to stop the xserver not jsut restart it where is the init or what have you to stop it |
| 17:46.09 | brosio | paulswm, yes |
| 17:46.10 | peppo | Joris, hopefully it won't cause trouble with further patches |
| 17:46.14 | paulswm | brosio: are you doing 'hdparm -d /dev/hdc' |
| 17:46.28 | Joris | peppo: if I were you, I'd simply change the extraversion |
| 17:46.35 | brosio | always using_dma = 0 (off) |
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| 17:46.51 | peppo | Joris, I've already done that, and the kernel is compiling now |
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| 17:47.28 | raf256 | hi, how can I get Quake2 on Debian? |
| 17:47.29 | shek | <fieldysnuts> I can only use a usb wilress adapter and I got a dlink first and then a netgear and both dont work, so I know what you mean , but is there someplace where I can find help? or some other channel I should go to? |
| 17:47.39 | MobyTurbo | BadMan: /etc/init.d/xdm stop (or whatever your dm is called) |
| 17:47.42 | bizkit | brosio: do you use an own kernel? .. since the kernel should automatically select and use the best access mode that the device and your chipset support |
| 17:47.48 | raf256 | article http://lists.debian.org/debian-user/2004/04/msg08380.html says that I only need to do apt-get install quake2 quake2-data |
| 17:48.02 | BadMan | raf256: check out the howto on debinas doc site |
| 17:48.06 | raf256 | but it do not work, perhaps I need to add something like non-free to sources.list of apt? |
| 17:48.06 | BadMan | MobyTurbo: thanks |
| 17:48.32 | MobyTurbo | BadMan: yw |
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| 17:48.51 | caphuso | raf256: contrib |
| 17:48.55 | bizkit | raf256: imho you need the, like in quake3 pak0.pk3 file, to run the game since it's non free and has to be bought? |
| 17:49.24 | raf256 | bizkit: I have the game CD |
| 17:49.29 | simonrvn | shek: how about you check *before* you buy something whether or not it'll work in linux? |
| 17:49.41 | raf256 | oryginal, ofcourse. So I can copy *.pak files |
| 17:49.44 | PerfDave | Quake 2 works fine in linux. "apt-get install quake2" will give you the freeware version. |
| 17:49.48 | bizkit | raf256: then you're on the safe site :-) |
| 17:49.56 | PerfDave | But they're in non-free, because they're non-Free. |
| 17:50.04 | raf256 | caphuso: what exacly should I add to sources.list to have the contribs also? |
| 17:50.04 | individuality | hi all, do you know if there is a maintainer for nvu ? |
| 17:50.09 | caphuso | raf256: man 5 sources.list |
| 17:50.11 | raf256 | or to have non-free |
| 17:50.16 | raf256 | caphuso: oh, thnx |
| 17:50.17 | caphuso | !info quake2 |
| 17:50.20 | dpkg | quake2: (improved version of id Software's Quake II engine), section contrib/games, is optional. Version: 1:0.3-1 (sid), Packaged size: 1240 kB, Installed size: 3008 kB |
| 17:50.23 | simonrvn | individuality: apt-cache show package |
| 17:50.25 | PerfDave | !maintainer nvu |
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| 17:50.30 | shek | <simonrvn> No usb driver on retail shelves comes with "compatible with Linux" written on it, next on linux-wlan it said that their driver would work |
| 17:50.46 | simonrvn | shek: hence you do research. duh |
| 17:50.52 | individuality | simonrvn: i didn't find it in my cache |
| 17:50.58 | BadMan | geez I didnt realize that the kernel source for 2.4.27 was that big |
| 17:51.00 | tinex | wget is cropping the end of my files with ~%1, ~WZ, ~XJ..? |
| 17:51.31 | simonrvn | "oh no! it's not on the package, whatever am i going to do!!!!11" |
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| 17:51.32 | PerfDave | If linux-wlan says "this model of wireless card works with linux-wlan", I think it's reasonable to assume that it does. |
| 17:51.32 | simonrvn | individuality: /msg dpkg search |
| 17:51.42 | individuality | simonrvn: thx you |
| 17:51.43 | FieldySnuts | if the list says that (ma311 was it) works, they're wrong |
| 17:51.53 | FieldySnuts | i know, i took mine back |
| 17:52.03 | FieldySnuts | s/it/it?/ |
| 17:52.27 | doublehp | FieldySnuts: whats wrong with ma311 ??? |
| 17:52.39 | FieldySnuts | ok. i can't take the lack of clue here currently, bbl |
| 17:52.42 | doublehp | FieldySnuts: it is a wonderfull cadr |
| 17:52.48 | raf256 | so I need to add deb http://ftp2.de.debian.org/debian-non-US unstable/non-US main contrib non-free ? |
| 17:53.00 | shek | simonrvn what do I do reasearch on? I have googled it intevsively and I cannot get anywhere, thats why I came here |
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| 17:53.33 | simonrvn | not my problem. and i suppose you didn't once find that w-lan site... |
| 17:53.47 | simonrvn | your search-engine-fu is lacking if so |
| 17:53.52 | MobyTurbo | raf256: not just non-US |
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| 17:54.04 | tinex | nm :) how do I rename a string in the filename of a large number of files? |
| 17:54.11 | raf256 | MobyTurbo: what else..? |
| 17:54.12 | caphuso | tinex: man rename |
| 17:54.38 | tinex | thanks, didn't know rename existed |
| 17:54.39 | MobyTurbo | raf256: they've already told you the man page, read it |
| 17:54.42 | raf256 | btw, the name should be fuck-US \o/ or fpfU as short of: fuck-patents-from-USA ;) |
| 17:54.43 | caphuso | http://www.togaware.com/linux/survivor/Netgear_MA311.shtml |
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| 17:54.48 | netgod | tinex: install mmv, run mmv "*string*" "#1newstring#2" |
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| 17:55.01 | shek | is there a wireless help channel ? |
| 17:55.07 | stuartSan | okay so i followed debian.org's install documents.. downloaded and burned debian sarge net-inst.. but i couldn't get online to complete the downloads and get the apps |
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| 17:55.24 | MobyTurbo | raf256: non-US is restricted only to software that US laws used to forbid export to other countries, cryptographic software. |
| 17:55.42 | nagual | non-us is obsolete |
| 17:55.57 | silian87 | hi all |
| 17:56.04 | MobyTurbo | it should be, but it's not. |
| 17:56.05 | silian87 | sorry, I have a question |
| 17:56.12 | silian87 | is ututo-e based on debian? |
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| 17:56.25 | MobyTurbo | I think openssl and a few other things are still in non-US |
| 17:56.39 | raf256 | ok it still do not work. I added line: deb http://ftp2.de.debian.org/debian-non-US unstable/non-US main contrib non-free |
| 17:56.53 | raf256 | it should provide the non-free category in with Quake2 is.. |
| 17:56.54 | MobyTurbo | silian87: Ubuntu is based on Debian, but like all non-Debian distros you use it's own channel. |
| 17:57.05 | MobyTurbo | raf256: are you actually listening to what I tell you? |
| 17:57.16 | foureyes779 | heh |
| 17:57.24 | MobyTurbo | raf256: you need MORE THAN NON-US |
| 17:57.31 | doublehp | what is the process to re build the initrd images ? |
| 17:57.42 | silian87 | MobyTurbo: If ututo-e channel is empty I don't know what to do |
| 17:57.53 | guestish | silian87: ubuntu or ututo-e? |
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| 17:57.59 | silian87 | sorry |
| 17:58.02 | guestish | silian87: because i've never heard of ututo-e |
| 17:58.02 | silian87 | ututo |
| 17:58.02 | raf256 | MobyTurbo: I have other lines also... so I should just add "non-free" to my current source? |
| 17:58.03 | netgod | doublehelp: man mkinitrd |
| 17:58.04 | MobyTurbo | raf256: as fond as you are of the non-US repository it is not all you need. |
| 17:58.16 | guestish | !ututo |
| 17:58.18 | guestish | ? |
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| 17:58.29 | silian87 | ututo is richard stallman favourite distro |
| 17:58.31 | MobyTurbo | raf256: add non-free and contrib to all of them. Unless you don't want to run any non-free software. |
| 17:58.36 | silian87 | only free software inside |
| 17:58.42 | raf256 | gaaaaa, I accidently added an Sid source to Sarge debian and did apt-get update (not upgrade fortunatelyt)... how to fix it (as in: how to totally flush apt-cache)?? |
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| 17:59.03 | guestish | silian87: Ututo is an automatic bootable live cdrom <--- you dont install it... |
| 17:59.16 | silian87 | mmm are you sure.... |
| 17:59.16 | bizkit | raf256: edit sources.list again and do an apt-get update again |
| 17:59.20 | silian87 | it is ututo-xs |
| 17:59.24 | silian87 | ututo-e install |
| 17:59.31 | silian87 | I hope.... |
| 17:59.33 | guestish | in any case this is a debian channel, not a ututo channel |
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| 17:59.45 | raf256 | bizkit: apt-get without "bad" sources is enought to erase already gahered headers about SID packages? |
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| 17:59.50 | guestish | plus i dont understand spanish that well =P |
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| 17:59.56 | silian87 | ok..... they send me here from #gnu channel.... |
| 18:00.17 | foureyes779 | heh |
| 18:00.18 | bizkit | raf256: yes |
| 18:00.19 | silian87 | ok....................... |
| 18:00.21 | guestish | lol... |
| 18:00.22 | silian87 | bye.... |
| 18:00.26 | simonrvn | bleh |
| 18:00.26 | guestish | bye |
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| 18:00.33 | BadMan | Im getting the kernel-source for 2.4.27 how do I know if the debian patches for kernel 2.4.27 have been installed.. would they have been installed with apt-get upgrade? |
| 18:00.50 | simonrvn | "#debian: everyone's favourite dumping ground" |
| 18:00.50 | MobyTurbo | silian87: that's because you should be running Debian, just select to not have non-free if you don't like it. |
| 18:01.18 | dsd__ | How can I make xmms playing oggs? |
| 18:01.25 | MobyTurbo | simonrvn: I think we've become freenode's default ##linux channel, at least we're busier than it. |
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| 18:01.59 | dsd__ | The description of xmms says that it depends on libogg, but i can't open ogg-files. |
| 18:02.10 | raf256 | hmm strange, now I have quake2-data but no quake2... |
| 18:02.36 | simonrvn | MobyTurbo: as far as i've seen, ##linux has less clue |
| 18:02.36 | xnotte | what should do to see mplayer or xine in firefox ? i've installed mozilla-mplayer from an unofficial repository but didnt worked so well |
| 18:02.37 | raf256 | I pasted my sources.list in #flood |
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| 18:02.58 | MobyTurbo | simonrvn: true. |
| 18:02.59 | dsd__ | how can i fix that? |
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| 18:04.05 | raf256 | I have deb ftp://ftp.pl.debian.org/debian/ testing main contrib non-free and still only quake2-data without quake2, why..? |
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| 18:04.44 | bizkit | dsd__: i dunno, perhaps apt-get install liboggflac++0c102 liboggflac1 xmms-flac |
| 18:05.17 | mkd | hi! I have a ipw2200 in Debian Sid, everything is fine, but i get "unassociated" when type iwconfig eth1 |
| 18:05.19 | BadMan | bah now I gotta find my kernel source path...... |
| 18:05.21 | mkd | anyone can help please ? |
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| 18:06.10 | dsd__ | bizkit: thx |
| 18:06.13 | bizkit | BadMan: what about /usr/src/linux - this one should imho point to the source of the running kernel, shouldn't it? :> |
| 18:06.41 | BadMan | dont see it listed only a tar.bz of kernel-source-2.4.27 |
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| 18:06.55 | stew | bizkit: no, red the README in the kernel sources |
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| 18:07.17 | stew | bizkit: /lib/modules/$(uname -r)/build should point the kernel sources of the running kenrel |
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| 18:07.26 | stew | s/red/read/ |
| 18:07.30 | bizkit | stew: good to know |
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| 18:08.29 | dogmeat | i have a second hd in my system, was wondering if anyone recommends a mount point for it |
| 18:08.40 | nagual | dogmeat: /mnt :) |
| 18:08.50 | BadMan | thanks will look in there |
| 18:08.53 | dogmeat | but /mnt will have /mnt/cdrom |
| 18:09.00 | dsd__ | bizkit: I still can't read ogg-files? |
| 18:09.05 | nagual | dogmeat: *zz* :) |
| 18:09.07 | scytheman_ | /mnt/my_second_hd |
| 18:09.24 | simonrvn | so you make a dir, and mount it there. sheesh. |
| 18:09.43 | cahoot | i e the partion(s) |
| 18:09.56 | dogmeat | OK i used /mnt/sda |
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| 18:10.53 | stuartSan | aww no luck |
| 18:11.01 | BadMan | hmmm that dodnt seem to be the source info Im looking for for the nvidia module build... |
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| 18:11.19 | stuartSan | is there a document on how i could get online with only the debian base OS from net-inst? |
| 18:11.29 | bizkit | dsd__: apt-get install libogg0 libvorbis0a libvorbisfile3 |
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| 18:11.48 | RootsLINUX | Do I have to add japan to my locales config to be able to read Japanese text in debian? |
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| 18:12.00 | MobyTurbo | stuartSan: you use PPP? |
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| 18:12.34 | stuartSan | it says so yeah.. ethernet connection to ADSL |
| 18:12.46 | BadMan | all that I run into here /lib/modules/2.4.27-1-386/kernel/arch/i386/kernel/ is apm.o and edd.o, prolly not what their looking for for them to compile a new module from the nvidia installer.. I jsut finished getting the kernel source for 2.4.27 |
| 18:13.26 | dsd__ | bizkit: It seems to work now. Thx for help. |
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| 18:13.39 | MobyTurbo | stuartSan: if you need dial-up PPP or some broadband PPPoE netinst won't work, use a woody install disk and dist-upgrade to sarge. |
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| 18:13.59 | stuartSan | oh so thats the story |
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| 18:14.01 | bizkit | dsd__: next time try apt-cache show xmms and see the recommend packages |
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| 18:14.43 | stuartSan | well i don't mind using woody if it supports geforce 2 and all the past 2 years hardwares |
| 18:14.44 | cadu | if i put exim on "Internet Site" on debian configuration i'll be able to receive mail via smtp using something like myname@myip ? |
| 18:14.47 | MobyTurbo | stuartSan: if they finally make netinst include PPP like woody's unofficial netinst cds have I'd be a real happy camper. |
| 18:14.55 | kaplanfx | where does the firefox lock file reside? |
| 18:15.15 | WiFiTux | what was the command to resize pictures? |
| 18:15.23 | MobyTurbo | stuartSan: even so you'll probably be happier with sarge, more and more recent packages. Unless you need the security for a server. |
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| 18:15.27 | WiFiTux | make them smaller |
| 18:15.42 | gilles | i have put some new fonts in ~/.fonts but that are not taken ito account, I can't use it in open office for example, what can i do ? |
| 18:15.46 | MobyTurbo | stuartSan: dist-upgrading is easy and fairly fast. |
| 18:15.51 | stuartSan | i don't need security either. i'm a newbie, just wanting to expand my comfort zone, which is why i planned to start using linux to learn. |
| 18:15.53 | kittenZzZ | WiFiTux: convert ? |
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| 18:16.12 | BadMan | dang it I still cant find where apt-get extracted the kernel source to I even ran updatedb and locate and nothing sticks out..... |
| 18:16.14 | stuartSan | MobyTurbo: so now, do i use net-inst for woody or CD1 |
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| 18:16.38 | WiFiTux | kittenZzZ, ahh, right! :) is there a way to make it convert all the files in a folder |
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| 18:16.55 | MobyTurbo | stuartSan: the GUI programs for woody such as gnome1 are a lot less user-friendly than what sarge has sometimes. |
| 18:16.58 | cahoot | WiFiTux: look at mogrify |
| 18:17.04 | omry | I am trying to install the debian package from http://xoomer.virgilio.it/flavio.stanchina/debian/fglrx-installer.html, After I built the module, I try modprobe fglrx and the module is not found. there are no errors I see in the module build process. can anyone help? |
| 18:17.13 | MobyTurbo | stuartSan: either one will work. |
| 18:17.18 | omry | (The debian package is for ati drivers) |
| 18:17.19 | kittenZzZ | try using a for loop: for a in *; do bleh; done |
| 18:17.22 | WiFiTux | cahoot, thanks |
| 18:17.29 | stuartSan | and is there a way to not burn the .iso's because i'm fresh out of empty cd's and its 2AM here was hoping to have a running usable online linux by tomorrow |
| 18:17.30 | MobyTurbo | stuartSan: of course CD1 will have some packages you won't be installing. |
| 18:17.40 | cahoot | WiFiTux: note - it will overwrite |
| 18:18.12 | dutchfish | stuartSan: http://www.linuks.mine.nu/debian-faq-wiki/ |
| 18:18.13 | MobyTurbo | stuartSan: you can run debbootstrap, but that's only if you already have a Linux installation and a net connection. |
| 18:18.15 | WiFiTux | cahoot, ok, but apt-cache search mogrify I get nothing |
| 18:18.28 | cahoot | WiFiTux: part of imagemagick |
| 18:18.44 | WiFiTux | cahoot, ok. |
| 18:19.00 | MobyTurbo | stuartSan: I think you can even use floppy images. Hmm... |
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| 18:19.10 | drini | mogrify comes with imagemagick or netpbm, I think |
| 18:19.13 | stuartSan | oh yea forgot bout those floppy images |
| 18:19.30 | BadMan | ok, need soem more ideas of where my kernel source might be..... |
| 18:19.39 | stuartSan | well thanks MobyTurbo you've been a real help. at least i know whats wrong now. |
| 18:19.42 | cadu | how do i reconfigure exim4 in debian/sarge? thanks in advance. |
| 18:20.02 | stuartSan | thank god for you or else i'd be banging my head trying to figure out why aptitude wont connect. |
| 18:20.15 | MobyTurbo | stuartSan: good, and good luck. |
| 18:20.15 | gilles | How to do so that the fonts I have put into ~/.fonts are usable in Open Office or any other freeware ? |
| 18:20.58 | dutchfish | stuartSan: Another nice trick: http://d-i.pascal.at/ |
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| 18:22.34 | dutchfish | cadu: just install postfix: apt-get install postfix (much better) |
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| 18:23.03 | dutchfish | it will deinstall exim4 along |
| 18:23.06 | MobyTurbo | dutchfish: that won't help him because d-i doesn't support PPP |
| 18:23.14 | MobyTurbo | dutchfish: he needs the old woody installer |
| 18:23.34 | dutchfish | ok thx MobyTurbo... |
| 18:23.44 | dutchfish | did miss that |
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| 18:24.44 | stuartSan | would installing woody from floppy images take like 10x longer than cd or what |
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| 18:24.52 | stuartSan | yes no PPP = death |
| 18:24.52 | cadu | dutchfish: it's a better/faster/easier mta to configure (for small sites) ? |
| 18:24.53 | mina_linux_Tux | <PROTECTED> |
| 18:25.13 | MobyTurbo | stuartSan: it will take a lot longer. |
| 18:25.15 | dutchfish | yes stuartSan but not 10x |
| 18:25.23 | xinming | anyone here can tell me what the name for sata drive is please |
| 18:25.28 | BadMan | I have found this but still cant find wher eit was extracted to... /usr/src/kernel-source-2.4.27.tar.bz2 |
| 18:25.33 | cadu | how can i see the temperature of my cpu ? my kernel is already with full acpi support ON |
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| 18:25.59 | dutchfish | cadua: install lm-sensors & read the manpages |
| 18:25.59 | kittenZzZ | BadMan: it probably wasn't -- try extracting it yourself ? |
| 18:25.59 | cadu | dutchfish: , thanx |
| 18:26.04 | dutchfish | yw |
| 18:26.16 | BadMan | ok |
| 18:26.33 | BadMan | bz2 is unzip? |
| 18:26.36 | cadu | BadMan: no |
| 18:26.39 | dutchfish | nope |
| 18:26.42 | cadu | BadMan: it's better :D |
| 18:26.57 | mina_linux_Tux | hello anyone may answer me //? |
| 18:27.01 | MobyTurbo | BadMan: no, it's bzip2 - usually a tar file is bzip2'd. |
| 18:27.24 | MobyTurbo | BadMan: if it's a tar, tar jxvf foo.tar.bz2 |
| 18:27.32 | cadu | dutchfish: "No Sensors Found!" |
| 18:27.36 | stuartSan | woot! cdr-w! woody here i come |
| 18:27.46 | mina_linux_Tux | <PROTECTED> |
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| 18:27.54 | MobyTurbo | BadMan: for gzipped tars (.gz) use tar zxvf |
| 18:28.03 | nvz | cadu: cat /proc/acpi/processor/CPU0/thermal_zone or something like that |
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| 18:28.18 | kittenZzZ | mina_linux_Tux: check the permissions on your target directory :P |
| 18:28.24 | kittenZzZ | ls -ld /path/to/somewhere |
| 18:28.27 | nvz | cadu: if your pc has ACPI thermal_zone, and the driver is loaded, the info can be read from /proc/acpi somewhere |
| 18:28.47 | vivek | can n e 1 help me? |
| 18:28.48 | MobyTurbo | stuartSan: great. :-) |
| 18:28.50 | cadu | nvz: no /proc/acpi/processor ;/// |
| 18:28.57 | MobyTurbo | !ne1 |
| 18:28.57 | dpkg | There is no such nick ne1. If you can't be bothered to type 'anyone' we can't be bothered to help you. IRC shorthand for "I don't have two braincells to rub together" (circa EFnet #amiga mid-90s) |
| 18:29.06 | vivek | i want to kow how to get the drivers for my eth0 card... |
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| 18:29.19 | nvz | cadu: then your system doesnt support ACPI. |
| 18:29.32 | Xandalf | which tool should i use best to i configure a firewall on debian? |
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| 18:29.39 | mina_linux_Tux | kittenZzZ: drwxr-xr-x |
| 18:29.46 | MobyTurbo | vivek: you might try being more specific |
| 18:29.50 | cadu | i need to edit sensors.conf ? |
| 18:29.51 | bringert | cadu: try "modprobe processor" |
| 18:29.51 | kingsley_ | vivek: Who made the card and what model number is it? |
| 18:29.59 | vivek | ko.. |
| 18:30.12 | stuartSan | woody-i386-1.iso i'll only need this right |
| 18:30.19 | kittenZzZ | mina_linux_Tux: problem found -- you probably don't have permissions to write into that directory -- change it |
| 18:30.20 | dutchfish | cadu: try sensors-detect (and default everything :) |
| 18:30.23 | MobyTurbo | stuartSan: right |
| 18:30.24 | stuartSan | dont' wanna waste another 2 hours downloading something i don't need |
| 18:30.25 | cadu | bringert: customkernel here ;/ |
| 18:30.32 | stuartSan | well thanks! idling now while wiating |
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| 18:30.39 | nvz | cadu: its /proc/acpi/thermal_zone/ on my system, and there's nothing in there. |
| 18:30.43 | vivek | lspci gives me this: Ethernet controller: Davicom Semiconductor, Inc. 21x4x DEC-Tulip compatible 10/100 Ethernet (rev 31) |
| 18:30.51 | mina_linux_Tux | kittenZzZ: isn't it changed using chmod ? |
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| 18:31.12 | vivek | but when i do ifconfig eth0 xxx.xxx.xxx.xxx it sez t'no device found' |
| 18:31.41 | Xandalf | i dont want to configure the firewall by hand |
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| 18:31.50 | Xandalf | is there a tool i can use? |
| 18:31.57 | Xandalf | a script maybe? |
| 18:32.06 | MobyTurbo | Xandalf: several |
| 18:32.15 | vivek | hey!!! |
| 18:32.15 | stuartSan | speaking bout network, is there a network document as i don't want to fumble through getting an internet connection through console later :/ |
| 18:32.18 | vivek | plz... |
| 18:32.26 | kittenZzZ | mina_linux_Tux: chmod the directory -- but you have to be a user to permissions to chmod that directory |
| 18:32.30 | nvz | vivek: lspci just means its on the PCI bus, you still have to load a driver for it to connect to a device node |
| 18:32.38 | vivek | exactly.. |
| 18:32.45 | MobyTurbo | Xandalf: ipmasq is a simple one. |
| 18:32.45 | vivek | so i want to know the command for that |
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| 18:32.52 | nvz | vivek: modprobe tulip |
| 18:32.56 | TheSHAD0W | Hi folks. |
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| 18:33.05 | nvz | vivek: actually |
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| 18:33.16 | TheSHAD0W | I wanted to find out if PyGTK was part of the Debian distro, and if so, which version. |
| 18:33.25 | vivek | it gave nothing... modprobe tulip |
| 18:33.25 | nvz | vivek: modprobe tulip && echo "tulip" >> /etc/modules |
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| 18:33.38 | Xandalf | MobyTurbo: did you use it? |
| 18:33.39 | nvz | vivek: its not suppose to "give" you anything |
| 18:33.51 | nvz | vivek: modprobe loads a driver module into kernel space |
| 18:33.57 | vivek | kooooool |
| 18:33.59 | vivek | got it ..... |
| 18:34.01 | nvz | vivek: if it "gives" you anything, that means something is wrong |
| 18:34.02 | dutchfish | it writes to the modules file |
| 18:34.09 | MobyTurbo | Xandalf: yes, but I'm a dial-up system so my needs are few. |
| 18:34.11 | vivek | thaks u all!!!!! |
| 18:34.12 | nvz | vivek: you have to edit /etc/modules and add it to the list in that file |
| 18:34.14 | vivek | CHEERS!!!!!! |
| 18:34.19 | vivek | ok... |
| 18:34.21 | nvz | vivek: that file is a list of modules to load at boot |
| 18:34.22 | vivek | i will do that. |
| 18:34.30 | MobyTurbo | vivek: Unix programs often don't display anything unless something's wrong. |
| 18:34.43 | stuartSan | so is it safe to just install woody over the sarge i just installed. |
| 18:34.53 | MobyTurbo | stuartSan: sure |
| 18:34.59 | Xandalf | MobyTurbo: can you name some others? so i have a choice |
| 18:35.12 | Rhubarb2 | Hi Folks - I could use some help here pleasey :) .. I need to copy the contents of a hard drive from /dev/hdb to /dev/hdd (only 1 primary partition and the MBR - NTFS file system) [think cup of tea / laptop / warranty repair / Broken :)] what parameters should I use with dd to replicate the data to a new drive before I send it for repair? (the drives are not made by the same vendor therefore geometry may be an issue) any help please? |
| 18:35.25 | dutchfish | use man dd |
| 18:35.39 | MobyTurbo | stuartSan: then edit /etc/apt/sources.list and dist-upgrade to sarge. If you're running a desktop you don't want Woody's smaller batch of 5 year old software... |
| 18:35.49 | vivek | ty nz and mobyturbo and all others..LOL |
| 18:35.58 | MobyTurbo | Xandalf: apt-cache search is your friend |
| 18:35.59 | nvz | dpkg: lol? |
| 18:35.59 | dpkg | from memory, lol is Loser On Line, and by using it you've just confirmed that fact. |
| 18:36.04 | TheSHAD0W | Can someone please tell me if PyGTK is part of Debian stable, and which version? |
| 18:36.27 | nvz | apt: lol? |
| 18:36.28 | apt | i heard lol is stands for Laughs Out Loud. It is grammatically incorrect to use LOL in the first person; use 'heh' or 'haha' instead. If you want to use LOL, do '/me lol' instead. |
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| 18:37.06 | MobyTurbo | !botabuse |
| 18:37.06 | dpkg | lay off me you buggerererers!!11! |
| 18:37.12 | MobyTurbo | ~botabuse |
| 18:37.13 | apt | Stop tormenting me! |
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| 18:37.21 | lookorez | lol |
| 18:37.23 | Xandalf | thanx |
| 18:37.25 | dogmeat | is there a graphical client from working with samba shares? |
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| 18:37.36 | nvz | dpkg: lol is also stands for Laughs Out Loud. It is grammatically incorrect to use LOL in the first person; use 'heh' or 'haha' instead. If you want to use LOL, do '/me lol' instead. |
| 18:37.36 | dpkg | okay, nvz |
| 18:37.42 | dutchfish | dogmeat: swatt |
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| 18:38.32 | MobyTurbo | nvz: no "laughing out loud"? |
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| 18:38.48 | dutchfish | rofl |
| 18:38.54 | nvz | MobyTurbo: thats even more stupid |
| 18:38.54 | dogmeat | dutchfish: swat needs to be enabled from inetd ? |
| 18:39.01 | TheSHAD0W | Can someone please help me? |
| 18:39.04 | dutchfish | dogmeat: yes |
| 18:39.06 | vivek | is there ne yahoo messenger on linux which suports web cams? |
| 18:39.14 | MobyTurbo | nvz: OK |
| 18:39.18 | dutchfish | dogmeat: or xinetd |
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| 18:39.22 | nvz | MobyTurbo: people dont say /me is lol. so laughing without the /me is, is even more gramatically incorrect |
| 18:39.22 | stuartSan | MobyTurbo: would the installer help me with getting online though |
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| 18:39.44 | dogmeat | is there a way to enable services in inetd without modifying the config file via text editor? |
| 18:39.51 | vivek | i can i see web cams on ymessneger onlinux? |
| 18:40.02 | MobyTurbo | stuartSan: it has less hardware detection. |
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| 18:40.16 | dutchfish | dogmeat: i believe the apt-get install swatt will just do that.. if i am not mistaken |
| 18:40.21 | appaji | vivek: you can't |
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| 18:40.28 | nvz | vivek: no. Yahoo! Messenger in linux doesnt support webcams last I checked. there may be some _other_ software out there that can do it |
| 18:40.33 | caphuso | nvz: both foldoc and v.e.r.a. say that it is indeed "laughing out loud" |
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| 18:40.35 | MobyTurbo | stuartSan: the downside of the woody installer is that it's harder. When you need it though you need it. |
| 18:40.38 | appaji | vivek: there is some python software that you can use to do that. |
| 18:40.58 | aFlag | does anyone else get segmentation fault when trying to send files through xchat or gaim? |
| 18:41.05 | nvz | caphuso: who cares. these people are morons. |
| 18:41.06 | stuartSan | nuuuuu |
| 18:41.23 | stuartSan | MobyTurbo: can sarge be installed from cd #1 then |
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| 18:41.28 | TheSHAD0W | Later. |
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| 18:41.31 | nvz | caphuso: lol, rofl, lmao.. whatever.. its all stupid AOL lingo |
| 18:41.37 | vivek | appaji:can u tell me more? |
| 18:41.39 | stuartSan | aaah freakin ie explorer crashed. now i remember why i wanna use linux |
| 18:41.56 | drini | really? I think those existed even before aol |
| 18:41.58 | MobyTurbo | stuartSan: sarge's installer, as far as I know, has no PPP support. |
| 18:42.10 | stuartSan | MobyTurbo: dang, even the full version? |
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| 18:42.16 | nvz | caphuso: these are the kind of people, if you wanted their opinion on what something meant, you'd have to give it to them first |
| 18:42.18 | stuartSan | so much... stresss.. |
| 18:42.19 | Xenguy | boo! |
| 18:42.33 | nvz | they dont know what it means, its just something they saw, and do all the time. |
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| 18:43.03 | appaji | vivek: http://phpaint.sourceforge.net/pyvoicechat/index.php |
| 18:43.07 | MobyTurbo | stuartSan: there is no official full sarge version anyway yet, and I think, like Woody, it uses the same installer for the big CDs. |
| 18:43.25 | dutchfish | anyone noticed that CLAMAV is upgraded 0.81 -> 0,83 today? |
| 18:43.34 | dutchfish | in testing |
| 18:44.21 | MobyTurbo | dutchfish: according to you, they even upgraded their decimal representation. ;-) |
| 18:44.35 | daemon_dead | good afternoon. I have a very sick debian system, with var in a bad state. When I try to shutdown -h now nothing happens. is there any option other than powercycling the system (push off button?) |
| 18:44.50 | mina_linux_Tux | smbmount //10.0.0.1/SharedDocs /mnt/network -o dmask=000,rw |
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| 18:45.13 | mina_linux_Tux | is that right to get permission |
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| 18:45.13 | nvz | mina_linux_Tux: I am not your damn shell prompt |
| 18:45.18 | w00dst0ck | Can someone tell me if there is a website that lists package changelogs and general Debian changelogs. Like a "what's changed" overview? |
| 18:45.18 | dutchfish | Mobyturbo: did you read the aprovements? ;) |
| 18:45.30 | MobyTurbo | daemon_dead: if you do that make sure to sync twice |
| 18:45.48 | MobyTurbo | dutchfish: aprovements? |
| 18:45.49 | nvz | I don't know smbmount syntax, I always just use mount, and let it handle that shit |
| 18:45.58 | stuartSan | MobyTurbo: so i shouldn't even bother getting the apps for woody and just straight away update to sarge on first reboot |
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| 18:46.23 | MobyTurbo | stuartSan: pretty much, right |
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| 18:46.34 | dutchfish | mobyTurbo: enhancements |
| 18:46.39 | nvz | fortunatly enough for someone who cares, there is a manpage |
| 18:46.56 | MobyTurbo | stuartSan: make sure not to run tasksel or dselect. Especially dselect, if you run that it selects additional stuff automatically. |
| 18:47.14 | stuartSan | so what i want is just the base os |
| 18:47.18 | MobyTurbo | dutchfish: I think you mean improvements |
| 18:47.35 | stuartSan | but is there a helpfile or something that covers networking (how i'm gonna go online from bash) and also updating to sarge? |
| 18:47.37 | dutchfish | yep: sorry for bad english |
| 18:47.39 | MobyTurbo | dutchfish: I don't run an antivirus as this is not a mail server. |
| 18:47.48 | MobyTurbo | (other than procmail) |
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| 18:48.04 | MobyTurbo | dutchfish: no need to feel sorry. |
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| 18:49.12 | Bruno_Torres | cafuego, hello man |
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| 18:49.51 | nvz | I find it abnormal that this is roughly the same crowd I was talking at, 10 hours ago |
| 18:50.04 | nvz | I guess it being sunday, anything can happen |
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| 18:50.28 | BleSS | who had a laptop with apm? |
| 18:50.43 | MobyTurbo | nvz: only us bozos on this bus |
| 18:50.44 | nvz | BleSS: do you have a question worth answering? |
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| 18:51.17 | SidDithersL | can someone here help me? I could really use some help with wpa_supplicant :/ |
| 18:51.25 | SidDithersL | i cant get it to connect to my network :( |
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| 18:52.11 | BleSS | somebody with laptop using apm? i need 'apm -d', 'apm' and 'cat /proc/apm' (private mess) |
| 18:52.12 | Mr_You | so far I'm still liking a debian (this time progeny) based distribution over fedora and suse. |
| 18:52.22 | nvz | BleSS: go away troll |
| 18:52.23 | Mr_You | from a cmdline admin point of view. |
| 18:52.34 | Bruno_Torres | I installed the ATI proprietary driver, it's working nicely, but the gnome screen resolution applet is not working anymore. It says the X server doesn't support the XrandR extension...does anyone know how to solve this? |
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| 18:53.07 | SidDithersL2 | can someone here help me? I'm trying to setup wpa_supplicant but no matter what i do it wont connect to my network :( |
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| 18:53.08 | Mr_You | Bruno: your ATI driver/server doesn't support that feature. |
| 18:53.14 | nvz | BleSS: read the /topic we dont /msg here, you do not isolate free help in here. you ask proper questions, and if someone knows they will answer. if you need to know for whatever stupid fucking reason if someone in the world used a laptop with apm, fuckinggoogleit.com |
| 18:53.23 | SidDithersL2 | oh wow the channels are linked |
| 18:53.24 | SidDithersL2 | awesome |
| 18:53.26 | Skyblaze | Bruno_Torres, i have got the same problem |
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| 18:53.44 | dutchfish | Bruno_Torres: i had the same problem but copied the conf files out of my ubuntu box: that helped amazingly! |
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| 18:53.50 | Bruno_Torres | Mr_You, but in a previous installation, i managed to make it work, but i really dont remember how |
| 18:53.54 | Skyblaze | maybe it depends on the xfree config file |
| 18:54.01 | Borg^Queen | Hey I think you guys might be interested in this. #Debian was mentioned |
| 18:54.04 | Mr_You | bruno: ahh check configuration then. |
| 18:54.09 | Borg^Queen | http://arstechnica.com/columns/linux/linux-20050102.ars/2 |
| 18:54.11 | nvz | BleSS: I am sure usage statistics of apm laptops will not help you at all with whatever yet to be known problem you have. |
| 18:54.19 | Bruno_Torres | dutchfish, i just would like to ensure if the refresh rate is ok |
| 18:54.31 | Bruno_Torres | dutchfish, i use 1152x864@75Hz |
| 18:54.47 | nvz | Borg^Queen: I am not as bored as you seem to think I am. |
| 18:54.55 | Borg^Queen | LOL, |
| 18:54.58 | BleSS | nvz, it's for a tool to autoconfiguration in live systems |
| 18:54.59 | dutchfish | Bruno_Torres: i use 1280x102@72Hx |
| 18:55.01 | Borg^Queen | Well it makes a good point. |
| 18:55.08 | MobyTurbo | Borg^Queen: who cares what arsfartsica says about #debian, they are a bunch of MS whores anyway. |
| 18:55.16 | dutchfish | 12080x1024@72Hz* |
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| 18:55.21 | Bruno_Torres | dutchfish, my monitor only supports 1280x864 with 60 Hz... |
| 18:55.30 | mirak | why is there no device file for the NIC ? |
| 18:55.35 | Bruno_Torres | this is why I use 1152x864 |
| 18:55.36 | Borg^Queen | MobyTurbo: maybe, but still makes a good point. |
| 18:55.40 | dutchfish | ok |
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| 18:55.40 | Borg^Queen | Enjoy. |
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| 18:55.45 | grivell | This group of people has managed to turn around many potential Debian and Linux newbies from test driving Debian, or Linux in general. nvz: lol :) |
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| 18:55.58 | Chris215 | i could use some assistance if anyone cares to try and help... |
| 18:56.03 | nvz | BleSS: what? if you have a problem _with_ _debian_ then ask already. |
| 18:56.08 | Bruno_Torres | dutchfish, if i put on XF86Config-4 the vertical refresh rate as 60-75, will it use the higher possible, in case 75? |
| 18:56.09 | MobyTurbo | IHBT |
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| 18:56.11 | dutchfish | grivell: :) |
| 18:56.43 | dutchfish | i believe it will be 60Hz |
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| 18:56.53 | Bruno_Torres | is there any way to figure out what refresh rate my X server is currently using? |
| 18:56.56 | nvz | grivell: this group of people is not a fucking daycare center. |
| 18:57.02 | kittenZzZ | xvidtune ? |
| 18:57.03 | mirak | why the ethernet interfaces doesn't use a device file ? |
| 18:57.03 | BleSS | nvz, and i had searched a lot of with teoma |
| 18:57.04 | Bruno_Torres | dutchfish, so, should I use 75-75? |
| 18:57.04 | nvz | grivell: a recruit office, or anything else |
| 18:57.11 | dutchfish | i gues so |
| 18:57.12 | Bruno_Torres | kittenZzZ, i'll try |
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| 18:57.18 | mirak | what makes decide to use a device file for a device by the way |
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| 18:57.20 | mirak | ? |
| 18:57.22 | nvz | BleSS: are you going to state a debian-related problem any time soon? |
| 18:57.37 | nvz | BleSS: because I have no idea what your problem is, to even know what you are talking about |
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| 18:57.41 | sepski | grivell, i thougt the point of debian was that the neewbees should use redhat/suse/debian based something or whatever untll they have a clue, then try debian... and convert. |
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| 18:57.49 | MobyTurbo | Bruno_Torres: you don't want to guess about that - use what's in your monitor's documentation, an online or included with the monitor manual. |
| 18:58.10 | MobyTurbo | Bruno_Torres: incorrect scan lines can damage a monitor, even make it completly inoperable. |
| 18:58.17 | Bruno_Torres | MobyTurbo, it supports 75Hz in 1152x864 mode |
| 18:58.29 | Bruno_Torres | MobyTurbo, it's in the docs |
| 18:58.30 | dutchfish | i think debian on kernel 2.6 is more easier to configure then redhat |
| 18:58.31 | BleSS | simply i need those data so i'll can identify a laptop |
| 18:58.31 | grivell | nvz: But by people like yourself spatting like an angry child, it just looks like an ego trip and you want the world to worship you for how cool you are. |
| 18:58.35 | MobyTurbo | Bruno_Torres: though some multisync monitors today have protection |
| 18:58.36 | sepski | grivell, i dont think debian is a very good for a first time linux user, but it's downright awesome when you need to get the real stuff done. |
| 18:58.40 | nvz | grivell: these FOSS projects grow and blossom out of interest, if the people's interest can be detered by a few users in a chat channel, then they came to debian for the wrong reasons anyhow |
| 18:58.45 | Bruno_Torres | MobyTurbo, mine has |
| 18:58.56 | nvz | grivell: no I want these people to help me to help themself |
| 18:59.04 | Bruno_Torres | dutchfish, its using 60Hz, indeed |
| 18:59.08 | MobyTurbo | Bruno_Torres: good, you have the docs - use them. |
| 18:59.17 | dutchfish | ok :) |
| 18:59.17 | nvz | grivell: you cant come in here trying to isolate a single helper and braindrain them, with poorly formatted questions. |
| 18:59.25 | Chris215 | I just d/l'ed and installed debian, when I try to run X, after alot loads properly, but (Fatal Screen Error: no screens found) comes up.. what am I doing wrong? |
| 18:59.30 | Bruno_Torres | MobyTurbo, well...i just would like to know what to put in the XF86Config file |
| 18:59.34 | Bruno_Torres | MobyTurbo, 75-75? |
| 18:59.35 | calin | If i have a lan at home, and i have a wireless connection to my neighbor, is there a way to act as a gateway for him to see my network? |
| 18:59.45 | green_earz | Bruno_Torres: the refresh rates should be soming like H 30-70 V 50-130 soming in that format |
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| 18:59.53 | nvz | grivell: some people just don't have the ability to adapt their comunnication skills to this type of environment. |
| 18:59.54 | grivell | nvz: Well, it is Sunday :-) |
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| 19:00.01 | MobyTurbo | Bruno_Torres: no |
| 19:00.01 | Bruno_Torres | brb |
| 19:00.12 | nvz | grivell: I or anyone else here cannot be held responsible for this. |
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| 19:01.00 | raf256 | damn |
| 19:01.02 | calin | !mondays |
| 19:01.03 | dpkg | o/~ I want to shoot, shoo-oo-oo-oo-ooot the whole day down! |
| 19:01.09 | nvz | grivell: this is open chat, with some 800 people in here, if I were being unreasonable, someone would speak up against me, correct me, or remove me |
| 19:01.13 | raf256 | I still dont have quake2, only quake2-data in sources-list |
| 19:01.17 | raf256 | *in apt-cache |
| 19:01.26 | green_earz | nvz: or is it the other way round "adapt their comunnication skills to this type of environment." |
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| 19:01.31 | nvz | grivell: people are just stupid and cant handle it, and go off whining somewhere feeling sorry for themselves, adn you seem to be taking their side. |
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| 19:02.05 | nvz | green_earz: isn't that verbatim what I just said? |
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| 19:02.11 | aFlag | does anyone else get segmentation fault when trying to send files through xchat or gaim? |
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| 19:02.16 | Chris215 | to interject.. Linux isnt for morons, if you are a moron, admit and, and just use windows.. there's no shame in being stupid. |
| 19:02.51 | daemon_dead | i am sshed into a debian box that refuses to shutdown with shutdown -h now. how can i shutdown withougt just pulling the plug? will kill -HUP init work? |
| 19:02.55 | pipeline | Chris215: Shut your hole. |
| 19:03.02 | green_earz | <PROTECTED> |
| 19:03.03 | aFlag | linux is too for morons, any moron can use gnome in a well setup system |
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| 19:03.04 | pipeline | Chris215: You're clearly among said morons. |
| 19:03.09 | websdale | Good evening,everyone - I'm installing Sarge, everythings fine,except I've got a SCSI disk attached to a "future domain TMC1670" ISA adaptor(2nd disk,boot from IDE) |
| 19:03.16 | helix | ok, calm down everyone |
| 19:03.19 | grivell | nvz: Well, I have never seen you flip out so much at people. You are usually the "good" one :) But even you have to admit, some people in this channel take fun at that expense of others. And that is what the article says. |
| 19:03.22 | Flimzy | daemon_dead: why doesn't shutdown -h now work? |
| 19:03.32 | Chris215 | i absoultly am.. admittedly so. |
| 19:03.33 | websdale | and it isn't detected by the time I get tp partitioning |
| 19:03.34 | Flimzy | aFlag: those morons should not be installing Debian themselves, tho. |
| 19:03.42 | sepski | grivell, people demanding to be spoonfed deserve a good verbal beating, you dont see that happening with good detailed sensible questions. most people in here cant spend houers leading some guy on a learn linux tour, but have time to answer a normal question |
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| 19:03.56 | helix | sepski: this is untrue |
| 19:03.59 | dutchfish | Flimzy: are you root? ;) |
| 19:04.00 | daemon_dead | i think htat /var partition is problematic because it was full and i deleted a too large syslog |
| 19:04.03 | helix | sepski: they may deserve to be /ignored though |
| 19:04.07 | websdale | Anyone got a suggestion as to boot params etc? |
| 19:04.17 | calin | I can spend hours on a linux tour |
| 19:04.20 | daemon_dead | so now it is not shutting down |
| 19:04.21 | aFlag | there could be a moronic install for them :P |
| 19:04.26 | calin | of course, i have too much time for my own good |
| 19:04.27 | Flimzy | dutchfish: ? |
| 19:04.37 | calin | hence the reason i can spend ~15 hours a day on my computer |
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| 19:04.42 | sepski | helix, i guess it would depend no how early it's for me, and if iv had my cofee or not :) |
| 19:04.45 | nvz | grivell: you walk a fine line, taking a side on any issue. but when people are misguided you cannot let them keep spamming a crowded channel with "does anyone use apm on a laptop LOLZ" you have to try and make them realize these questions dont even get the info they are looking for, and that they are merely trying to isolate a supporter, to cause support burnout. then you have to try and get them to form a proper question. |
| 19:04.45 | Bruno_Torres | it's ok now |
| 19:04.50 | helix | sepski: no, not really |
| 19:05.01 | dutchfish | Flimzy: do you have neough rights to do that? standard: root has... |
| 19:05.04 | grivell | sepski: And that is a plus for Gentoo. They have a strong help base. Sure, they have GCC running in the background while claiming great speed. But they do help there own. |
| 19:05.14 | Flimzy | aFlag: that moronic install is called 'Red Hat', 'SuSE', 'Knoppix', or many other things that are NOT Debain |
| 19:05.16 | helix | oh, good, gentoo trolls too |
| 19:05.20 | helix | grivell: did you start this? |
| 19:05.21 | Flimzy | dutchfish: what are you talking about? |
| 19:05.22 | pipeline | grivell: Have you READ the gentoo forums? |
| 19:05.24 | Bruno_Torres | but what worries me is that the screen is smaller than in windows...i had to resize in the monitor...it's weird |
| 19:05.27 | Flimzy | dutchfish: throw me some context |
| 19:05.33 | helix | pipeline: don't take the bait, mmkay :) |
| 19:05.46 | pipeline | helix: The one-liner is a complete rebuttal in itself :P |
| 19:06.04 | helix | anyway, if you don't all stop talking about this stuff, I'll make you |
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| 19:06.14 | Flimzy | dutchfish: I have no interest in DCC chatting with you. I don't know what gave you the idea that I was. |
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| 19:06.16 | helix | now play nice and help people or /ignore them and go about your lives in productive ways |
| 19:06.21 | daemon_dead | any ideas. can i umount /var and run fsck on var device |
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| 19:06.37 | daemon_dead | or must i go into single user mode to do that... |
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| 19:06.43 | simonrvn | daemon_dead: go to init 1 |
| 19:06.50 | Flimzy | daemon_dead: Probably not on a running system. |
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| 19:07.03 | _morbid_ | how to see exported fs list from a host? |
| 19:07.09 | dutchfish | Flimzy: i am inconvinient reading those fast pased lines... just trying to be helpfull |
| 19:07.27 | _morbid_ | showmount -e |
| 19:07.30 | _morbid_ | remembered |
| 19:07.41 | daemon_dead | i am currenly remotely logged in simonrvn. so i will drive over, and at the console type as root init 1 |
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| 19:07.44 | Flimzy | dutchfish: who are you trying to help? |
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| 19:07.47 | daemon_dead | is that right |
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| 19:07.56 | speedy2782 | I am getting no ip from AP on wlan0 using ndiswrapper for a netgear ma521 wifi. after dhclient I get the there were no offers from dhcp. I am on a dlink router without wep enabled and dhcp enabled. What are possible causes |
| 19:07.58 | dottedquad | which is the corrent netinstall iso? http://people.debian.org/~blade/boot-floppies/cvs/ |
| 19:08.25 | simonrvn | daemon_dead: so if you need to, then stop anything that's runnng off of /var, and umount then (if it's sshd, then you're fucked anyway) |
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| 19:08.42 | chump | Hi, does someone know of a good howto on apt-get updating to the 2.6 kernel for sid? |
| 19:08.48 | nvz | dottedquad: well that link seems to be boot-floppies, so there isnt going to be an ISO there :P Are you looking for the Sarge Debian-Installer rc2 ISO? |
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| 19:08.52 | pipeline | dottedquad: You want the minimal install iso from the d-i web site |
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| 19:09.01 | stuartSan | so how i'm going to upgrade to sarge later is basically edit /etc/apt/sources.list and change stable to testing |
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| 19:09.05 | pipeline | dottedquad: dpkg should have sent you the link |
| 19:09.07 | stuartSan | and then run dselect? |
| 19:09.13 | Flimzy | chump: apt-get install kernel-image-2.6 should do it |
| 19:09.20 | Flimzy | chump: I'm not sure why you'd need a HOWTO for that. |
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| 19:09.20 | dottedquad | nvz i believe so... |
| 19:09.21 | pipeline | stuartSan: run "apt-get update" and then "apt-get dist-upgrade" |
| 19:09.25 | green_earz | dottedquad: i use the current version and no problems http://cdimage.debian.org/pub/cdimage-testing/daily/i386/20050311/ >sarge-i386-netinst.iso |
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| 19:09.29 | dottedquad | i'm a newbie to linux |
| 19:09.32 | nvz | dottedquad: with or without base? |
| 19:09.36 | jc-denton | are there any probleme with reiserfs on the bf24 kernel in woody? |
| 19:09.42 | chump | I am new to deb so I was just unsure |
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| 19:10.03 | dottedquad | uhm i don't know what base is, but i want the servers... |
| 19:10.13 | daemon_dead | thaks simon. i will try it. |
| 19:10.23 | nvz | dottedquad: http://cdimage.debian.org/pub/cdimage-testing/sarge_d-i/i386/rc2/sarge-i386-netinst.iso |
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| 19:10.35 | stuartSan | pipeline: thanks. is there a list or site or helpfile suggesting what packages a linux noob should get? |
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| 19:10.59 | gilles | how to change to proprietary of files ? |
| 19:11.03 | dutchfish | Flimzy: sorry, my mistake, i thought you was asking the q... |
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| 19:11.06 | samyakuza | hi Stuart |
| 19:11.12 | chump | Flinzy: will I need to do any additional configureing? how do I choose to boot to 2.6 apposed to 2.4? |
| 19:11.15 | nvz | gilles: what? |
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| 19:11.21 | pipeline | stuartSan: I suggest you install "x-window-system," "gdm," "gnome-desktop-environment," and "synaptic" |
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| 19:11.26 | dottedquad | thanks nvz i appreciate it :-) |
| 19:11.28 | pipeline | stuartSan: install those *after* upgrading to testing. |
| 19:11.38 | jc-denton | aargh |
| 19:11.40 | MobyTurbo | stuartSan: do avoid dselect while in woody, it will select several packages you don't want/need to download. |
| 19:11.40 | pipeline | stuartSan: The less stuff you have installed before a major upgrade, the less time and effort it takes :P |
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| 19:11.48 | jc-denton | is there anybody who cares about woody? |
| 19:11.49 | Flimzy | chump: When you install a new kernel, it automatically updates lilo (and likely grub, if installed) to boot the new kernel. |
| 19:11.54 | stuartSan | MobyTurbo: no worries i wrote that down :D |
| 19:12.02 | chump | Thanks |
| 19:12.07 | stuartSan | pipeline: thanks. yep MobyTurbo suggested i do nothing after i install woody base os |
| 19:12.09 | gilles | nvz: some file belongs to root, i want them to belong to another user |
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| 19:12.16 | nvz | jc-denton: probably not, do you have a problem? |
| 19:12.27 | MobyTurbo | stuartSan: /msg dpkg woody->sarge |
| 19:12.29 | pipeline | stuartSan: And that's good advice. The less crap you have to upgrade, the better. |
| 19:12.34 | nvz | gilles: chown user[:group] file |
| 19:12.34 | jc-denton | yes |
| 19:12.38 | nvz | gilles: man chown |
| 19:12.50 | jc-denton | i have got a harddrive formated with reiserfs |
| 19:12.57 | jc-denton | i can mount it no problem |
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| 19:13.12 | xophEr | How do I load external subtitles in Totem? do I need a plugin of some sort? 'totem file:///foo.avi#subtitle:foo.sub' doesnt work |
| 19:13.14 | nvz | jc-denton: thats not a problem, then :P |
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| 19:13.18 | stuartSan | whats up samyakuza |
| 19:13.20 | jc-denton | but if i want to write something it always says no space on device left.. |
| 19:13.24 | suman | hi all |
| 19:13.25 | jc-denton | why?! |
| 19:13.34 | nvz | jc-denton: is there space left? df -Th |
| 19:13.45 | SidDithersL | Your appointment to FEMA should be finalized within the week I've already discussed the matter with the senator. |
| 19:13.48 | dutchfish | jc-denton: is it mounted rw? |
| 19:13.49 | samyakuza | Stuart: so, u have made some friends? |
| 19:13.50 | jc-denton | sure |
| 19:13.53 | jc-denton | usage 5% |
| 19:13.58 | jc-denton | ah i havent checkd that |
| 19:14.01 | jc-denton | but i think |
| 19:14.29 | jc-denton | dutchfish: yes |
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| 19:14.53 | green_earz | stuartSan: so if you got just the base installed of woody upgrade that to sarge first, then put on xserver and your desktop |
| 19:14.53 | suman | i have installed emacs and xemacs on my deb unstable...but as i do not use emacs...i want to remove it...but removing emacs installs xemacs and removing xemacs installs emacs...how can i remove emacs and xemacs from my machine? |
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| 19:15.20 | dutchfish | jc-denton: do you have permissions sorted out? |
| 19:15.28 | suman | jc-denton: is this an issue with disk quotas? |
| 19:16.09 | jc-denton | no |
| 19:16.16 | jc-denton | i thought that too |
| 19:16.18 | simonrvn | not in the slightest |
| 19:16.19 | jc-denton | but quota is not installed |
| 19:16.28 | jc-denton | and bf24 does not have support for quota i think |
| 19:16.29 | stuartSan | green_earz: neat. thanks. |
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| 19:16.36 | green_earz | np |
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| 19:16.55 | foureyes779 | apt-get remove emacs xemacs |
| 19:17.09 | foureyes779 | apt-get -s remove emacs xemacs |
| 19:17.19 | dutchfish | apt-get remove --purge emacs xemacs |
| 19:17.33 | fxf | could someone give me some pointers to info how to package python module? i need create package for internal use only - i found 5 or so (different) ways how to create debian package but i still dont know how to package classical python module :/ ... |
| 19:17.41 | crn | how do i set permissions to write to /dev/sda (usb memory stick) as a normal user? now only root can write. |
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| 19:17.51 | nvz | jc-denton: is it possible, maybe you created this filesystem with a distro other than woody, which has much newer reiserfs tools? I've had a problem like that creating an FS with sid, then the older distros cant use it properly |
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| 19:18.02 | dutchfish | crn: chown? |
| 19:18.11 | suman | dutchfish: which one of -s/--purge will be safe |
| 19:18.29 | dutchfish | i believe --purge is (not sure) |
| 19:18.30 | nvz | crn: paste the output of ls -l /dev/sda |
| 19:18.47 | green_earz | stuartSan: use apt-setup the help edit the apt saurce url. replace stable with testing or sarge, then apt-get update then apt-get dist-upgrade |
| 19:18.53 | foureyes779 | the '-s' flag just simulates what would happen |
| 19:18.53 | pluhator | i need some help with gcc 3.4 - how can i use it? whene i install the gcc34 package i can set compiler to use it but even gcc34 still calls 3.3 utils |
| 19:18.57 | suman | foureyes779: which reduces the number pf breaks caused? |
| 19:19.13 | suman | foureyes779: u mean i shud try and paste the o/p here/ |
| 19:19.20 | pluhator | what should i do/use to 3.4 become my default compiler/precompiler/... |
| 19:19.21 | jc-denton | nvz: yes i did |
| 19:19.21 | Flimzy | crn: chmod and/or chown. |
| 19:19.25 | dutchfish | suman: --purge just removes the conf files too |
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| 19:19.34 | jc-denton | but i thought reiserfs would be reiserfs |
| 19:19.45 | foureyes779 | that i dont know, but the '-s' flag would show you what would happen without actually removing anything |
| 19:19.51 | nvz | Flimzy: refrain from just telling potentially clueless people to chmod/chown /dev/ files |
| 19:19.51 | Flimzy | crn: Altho you probably don't _really_ want to write to sda... You probably really want to mount the FS so that the user can write to it. Man mount or man fstab for that |
| 19:20.01 | dutchfish | foureyes: yes |
| 19:20.07 | nvz | Flimzy: much better :P |
| 19:20.09 | jc-denton | nvz: or are there different versions of reiserfs? |
| 19:20.14 | stuartSan | green_earz: the bot suggests i use aptitude though.. |
| 19:20.17 | crn | brw-rw---- 1 root disk 8, 0 Jan 30 2003 /dev/sda |
| 19:20.19 | green_earz | ok |
| 19:20.20 | nvz | jc-denton: yes there are. |
| 19:20.20 | Flimzy | nvz: There's no faster way to get a clue. |
| 19:20.29 | stuartSan | how big is the upgrade download? |
| 19:20.37 | nvz | crn: you can add the user to the disk group, and you will have rw access as you can see |
| 19:20.44 | jc-denton | aaarrrgh |
| 19:20.48 | stuartSan | green_earz: btw how would i get online from a fresh install in teh first place? |
| 19:20.51 | Flimzy | nvz: Which is better? |
| 19:20.53 | jc-denton | i fucking hate rieserfs |
| 19:20.55 | crn | nvz: ahh thanks |
| 19:20.55 | nvz | crn: if the user is a new member, he must log out completly and back in again to take membership |
| 19:21.00 | jc-denton | nvz: what can i do now? |
| 19:21.03 | transgress | reiserfs rocks me |
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| 19:21.18 | nvz | jc-denton: I dont know what the problem is. I am just tossing ideas at you. |
| 19:21.21 | jc-denton | nvz: woody fdisk does not recognize hds bigger then 137 |
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| 19:21.31 | nvz | jc-denton: bs :) |
| 19:21.33 | jc-denton | err 137gb |
| 19:21.46 | jc-denton | THAT is the problem |
| 19:21.46 | crn | Flimzy: thanks |
| 19:21.50 | nvz | jc-denton: thats the kernel, and its because it doesnt have large disk support |
| 19:21.58 | jc-denton | shall i tell the customer now to switch to unstable? |
| 19:21.58 | nvz | jc-denton: has nothing to do with fdisk |
| 19:22.16 | nvz | jc-denton: you should get them a kernel with large disk support enabled |
| 19:22.26 | dutchfish | jc-denton: you might try testing first ;) |
| 19:22.28 | jc-denton | argh |
| 19:22.39 | green_earz | stuartSan: have you used the net installer for a fresh install. and do you have a ether connect to a dsl router ? |
| 19:22.42 | foureyes779 | well, that is certainly interesting |
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| 19:22.52 | valdyn_ | jc-denton: just use a newer kernel |
| 19:23.04 | jc-denton | the problem is the machine boots from a 3ware raid |
| 19:23.09 | jc-denton | so i cannot update it |
| 19:23.13 | foureyes779 | doing "cd $GOME" does the same thing as "CD $HOME" |
| 19:23.13 | Flimzy | nvz: Older kernels don't recognize HDs larger than 137gb, IIRC. You probably just need to upgrade to a newer kernel. |
| 19:23.20 | Flimzy | blah |
| 19:23.20 | Flimzy | sorry nvz |
| 19:23.22 | foureyes779 | heh |
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| 19:23.27 | Flimzy | jc-denton: Older kernels don't recognize HDs larger than 137gb, IIRC. You probably just need to upgrade to a newer kernel. |
| 19:23.32 | foureyes779 | cd gtk-gnut* |
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| 19:24.13 | nvz | well now, seems as good a time as any to go get a shower... before I have something I need to do. |
| 19:24.18 | jc-denton | yes but the problem is that i could get a newer kernel booting from this raid |
| 19:24.34 | jc-denton | if it would be a normal machine it would be no problem |
| 19:24.48 | dutchfish | ... older kernels dont handle large partitions > 137GB or disks, Flimzy? |
| 19:25.21 | nvz | dutchfish: the limit is 137GB, without the large disk support enabled |
| 19:25.33 | dutchfish | ok, ty nvz |
| 19:25.36 | nvz | dutchfish: if your kernel doesnt have large disk support, then you need a new kernel |
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| 19:26.02 | jc-denton | so |
| 19:26.06 | nvz | I got a 120GB, so it doesnt confront me |
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| 19:26.13 | jc-denton | woody supports that 3ware stuff per default |
| 19:26.19 | jc-denton | you can boot from a raid |
| 19:26.24 | jc-denton | but |
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| 19:26.30 | Flimzy | dutchfish: I don't recall. It's been at least a couple years since I was using a kernel that old, so I really don't know. |
| 19:26.36 | jc-denton | if you need a newer kernel what do you do then? |
| 19:26.46 | Flimzy | dutchfish: I think it was HD size, tho... but I'm not sure. |
| 19:26.56 | omry | Any idea why my system only starts SOME of the scripts in /etc/init.d ? |
| 19:26.59 | sepski | jc-denton, apt-get install kernel-image |
| 19:27.04 | valdyn_ | jc-denton: use one from backports.org just like you would use one from woody |
| 19:27.29 | jc-denton | no |
| 19:27.36 | jc-denton | i tried the 2.4.22 kernel iamge |
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| 19:27.42 | jc-denton | s/iamge/image |
| 19:27.54 | jc-denton | it does not boot from the 3ware raid |
| 19:27.55 | dutchfish | Flimzy: i thought it was the partition size... not sure... nvz stated is was the large disk support in the kernel |
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| 19:28.20 | sepski | jc-denton, and the 3ware raid was in your initrd ?? |
| 19:28.29 | Flimzy | dutchfish: Well like I said... I really don't know. It's been too long. |
| 19:28.39 | dutchfish | np |
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| 19:28.52 | kittenZzZ | omry: because it actually runs the scripts in /etc/rc2.d ? (or whatever your runlevel is) |
| 19:29.10 | omry | kittenZzZ, hmm, how do I check that? |
| 19:29.13 | jc-denton | sepski: i dont know |
| 19:29.18 | omry | kittenZzZ, what what run level is? |
| 19:29.22 | jc-denton | it boots from bf2.4 and from newer not |
| 19:29.29 | kittenZzZ | 'runlevel' |
| 19:29.41 | omry | kittenZzZ, eeek.. S 2. |
| 19:29.45 | jc-denton | and want to know how i can get it booting from newer |
| 19:29.47 | sepski | jc-denton, then the raid driver is in the kernel, you just didnt have it in the initrd |
| 19:29.52 | _morbid_ | people, I am mounting a sparc cdrom installation via nfs. Inside the root of cdrom, I have a dir called "debian" that is synlink to ".". When I try to copy the whole cdrom to the sparc via NFS, I get error cause "debian" is recursivelly copyed |
| 19:29.56 | _morbid_ | how to solve it? |
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| 19:31.02 | omry | kittenZzZ, how do I make it run scripts in init.d ? |
| 19:31.07 | Flimzy | _morbid_: man cp |
| 19:31.28 | _morbid_ | Flimzy: I should make a cp without follow synlinks? |
| 19:31.33 | valdyn_ | _morbid_: its visible as symlink in the nfs mount? |
| 19:31.33 | Led_Zeppelin | What is the correct way to find out what rules are applied with iptables? I am using iptables -L, but I can't seem to find my rules, which I just inserted. |
| 19:31.41 | _morbid_ | valdyn_: yes |
| 19:31.44 | dutchfish | iptables -L |
| 19:31.45 | Flimzy | _morbid_: try it and see. |
| 19:31.47 | _morbid_ | valdyn_: well, I will see |
| 19:31.54 | Led_Zeppelin | dutchfish: right, but they are not showing |
| 19:31.55 | valdyn_ | _morbid_: yea do what you said |
| 19:31.57 | kittenZzZ | omry: you can run them by hand: /etc/init.d/somefile start |
| 19:31.59 | _morbid_ | good |
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| 19:32.03 | Led_Zeppelin | dutchfish: more verbose option? |
| 19:32.05 | _morbid_ | thanks Flimzy and valdyn_ |
| 19:32.08 | jc-denton | sepski: yes but how? |
| 19:32.08 | dutchfish | led_zeppelin then there arent |
| 19:32.16 | jc-denton | all i can do is build the module |
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| 19:32.28 | omry | kittenZzZ, I know. but I want them to start when I boot. |
| 19:32.32 | sepski | jc-denton, jc-denton after getting the new kernel. dont reboot, but create a new initrd, try editinf your /etc/mkinitrd/modules file and make sure MODULES=most in /etc/mkinitrd/mkinitrd.conf |
| 19:32.38 | fxf | pls could someone give me some pointers to info how to package python module? i need to create package for internal use only - i found 5 or so (different) ways how to create debian package but i still dont know how to package classical python module :/ ... |
| 19:32.42 | Led_Zeppelin | dutchfish: iptables -t nat -A PREROUTING -p tcp --dport 25 -i eth0 -j REDIRECT --to-port 10025, just did that. and did iptables -L, don't see anythinhg |
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| 19:32.46 | kittenZzZ | omry: you can put symlinks into /etc/rc2.d that point to the files in /etc/init.d |
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| 19:33.00 | jc-denton | sepski: ouhh |
| 19:33.02 | dutchfish | strange |
| 19:33.04 | sepski | jc-denton, then you need to run mkinitrd and give it arguments about the kernel modules (of the new one) and the file to create |
| 19:33.12 | jc-denton | sepski: is there a howto or something on the net |
| 19:33.18 | sepski | it's all in man mkinitrd and in man mkinitrd.conf i guess |
| 19:33.29 | jc-denton | i'm not familiar with initrd |
| 19:33.42 | omry | kittenZzZ, it that a normal thing to do? I think init.d scripts are started on boot on my other system. |
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| 19:33.51 | kittenZzZ | omry: apt-get install sysv-rc-conf |
| 19:33.58 | Led_Zeppelin | dutchfish: when I apply these rules, should I see them in syslog or anything? |
| 19:34.07 | kittenZzZ | omry: it's normal |
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| 19:34.51 | kittenZzZ | omry: though in other systems /etc/rc2.d might be elsewhere, eg: /etc/init.d/rc2.d |
| 19:34.58 | kittenZzZ | but it still exists |
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| 19:35.16 | dutchfish | Led_zeppelin: http://www.netfilter.org/ |
| 19:35.44 | pluhator | sorry ...once again ...how can I set gcc34 as a default compiler? is there some script? |
| 19:35.49 | dutchfish | led_Zeppelin: man iptables-restore |
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| 19:36.45 | Pappa | huh |
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| 19:37.07 | Pappa | the CBQ wondershaper owned the HTB one |
| 19:37.10 | quittt | !ping |
| 19:37.10 | dpkg | pong |
| 19:37.16 | omry | kittenZzZ, what will sysv-rc-conf give? |
| 19:37.17 | jc-denton | sepski: thx a lot |
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| 19:37.21 | Pappa | !pong |
| 19:37.21 | dpkg | methinks pong is the best name on IRC eg. /ping pong, or *the* classic video game |
| 19:37.26 | sepski | jc-denton, the file /etc/mkinitrd/modules are just a list of modules you want , then run mkinitrd -o /replace/with/your/initrdfile version read man mkinitrd |
| 19:37.32 | sepski | jc-denton, hope youll make it work |
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| 19:38.25 | kittenZzZ | omry: 'apt-cache show sysv-rc-conf' to find out |
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| 19:38.45 | w00dst0ck | whats the command to see what packages are installed with dpkg again? |
| 19:38.57 | kittenZzZ | dpkg -l |
| 19:38.57 | dondelelcaro | !installed |
| 19:38.57 | dpkg | To list installed packages, COLUMNS=200 dpkg -l |awk '/^[hi]i/{print $2}'; man dpkg; man grep; man awk; |
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| 19:39.09 | DrPete | is debian libc5 or libc6? On sarge |
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| 19:39.15 | dondelelcaro | DrPete: lib6 |
| 19:39.19 | w00dst0ck | Thanks |
| 19:39.31 | dondelelcaro | DrPete: libc5 is so ancient that you probably won't find anything that builds with it anymore |
| 19:39.33 | DrPete | dondelelcaro: thanks, just downloading some software for it :) |
| 19:39.35 | takatumi | why man grep there? |
| 19:39.40 | DrPete | lol oki |
| 19:40.02 | DrPete | dondelelcaro: what about stable is that libc5? lol |
| 19:40.09 | Pappa | how can i stop a connection attempt (irssi) ? |
| 19:40.11 | sepski | takatumi, becouse that's tehir next question when they see that looong list |
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| 19:40.17 | dondelelcaro | DrPete: stable isn't libc5 |
| 19:40.25 | Pappa | it's been trying to connect for 2 months now |
| 19:40.44 | dondelelcaro | DrPete: libc5 is somewhere around slink, iirc. |
| 19:41.00 | takatumi | sepski: preemptive |
| 19:41.03 | DrPete | dondelelcaro: hehe :) |
| 19:41.27 | dondelelcaro | DrPete: if you have software that actually uses libc5, it's probably so outdated that you don't actually want to run it. |
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| 19:42.03 | MemphisMafioso | Hi, how do I configure multiple keyboard input languages in X Window? |
| 19:42.34 | dondelelcaro | Pappa: with /server list; then /disconnect |
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| 19:42.46 | dondelelcaro | (disconnect fooservertag, of course) |
| 19:42.47 | pluhator | sorry ...once again ...how can I set gcc34 as a default compiler? is there some script? |
| 19:43.02 | dondelelcaro | pluhator: you don't want to set gcc-3.4 as the default compiler. |
| 19:43.14 | dondelelcaro | pluhator: just set CC as appropriate for the things you want to build with 3.4 |
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| 19:44.12 | dutchfish | where can i find a howto on packetshaping within debian with kernel 2.6? |
| 19:44.23 | dondelelcaro | dutchfish: just read the lartc |
| 19:44.36 | dondelelcaro | !lartc |
| 19:44.37 | dpkg | hmm... lartc is Linux advanced Routing & Traffic Control HOWTO, http://www.lartc.org/ |
| 19:44.37 | omry | kittenZzZ, 2 is normal operation runlevel? |
| 19:44.40 | pluhator | <dondelelcaro> that's what i did but when i set cc=gcc-3.4 the right gcc is run but preprocessor is still 3.3 :( |
| 19:44.44 | dutchfish | dondelelcaro: thx |
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| 19:44.53 | dondelelcaro | pluhator: which makefile is this? |
| 19:45.15 | dondelelcaro | pluhator: the makefile should be invoking the compiler using $(CC) foo; and then the linker using $(LD) foo; |
| 19:45.23 | pluhator | it all one big makefile |
| 19:45.31 | nvz | fxf: apt-get install developers-reference |
| 19:45.51 | dondelelcaro | pluhator: what are you actually building? |
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| 19:46.02 | dondelelcaro | pluhator: (and it's CC, not cc) |
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| 19:46.18 | pluhator | <dondelelcaro> my own app :) - but i "need" precompiled headers |
| 19:46.34 | kittenZzZ | omry: yep |
| 19:46.47 | pluhator | CC=gcc-3.4 |
| 19:46.47 | pluhator | # C compiler |
| 19:46.47 | pluhator | CXX=gcc-3.4 |
| 19:46.47 | pluhator | # C++ compiler |
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| 19:47.01 | dondelelcaro | pluhator: uh, then you haven't written your makefile correctly. You need to be invoking the compiler when you call it with $(CC) instead. That will enable you to switch to the proper C compiler. |
| 19:47.06 | simonrvn | what's the point of pasting that crap? |
| 19:47.06 | dondelelcaro | pluhator: it's CPP, not CXX |
| 19:47.21 | Pappa | dondelelcaro: tried |
| 19:47.24 | omry | what are the other runlevel are for? |
| 19:47.33 | stuartSan | ok guys |
| 19:47.37 | dondelelcaro | omry: /msg dpkg runlevels |
| 19:47.43 | dondelelcaro | Pappa: ask in #irssi then |
| 19:47.44 | stuartSan | going to install now and try going online and upgrading |
| 19:47.45 | pluhator | i am calling it as $(CXX) |
| 19:47.46 | stuartSan | wish me luck |
| 19:47.53 | pluhator | ok ... i'll try CC instead |
| 19:48.00 | dondelelcaro | pluhator: well, then no one else will be able to understand your makefile |
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| 19:48.09 | omry | dondelelcaro, kittenZzZ, thanks. |
| 19:48.15 | kittenZzZ | *meow* |
| 19:49.01 | tuxipuxi | is it possible that the vesa driver doesn't support a resolution higher than 1024x786? |
| 19:49.07 | nvz | here kitty kitty |
| 19:49.32 | pluhator | the compiler still outputs "gcc-3.4: installation problem, cannot exec `cc1plus'" |
| 19:49.40 | nvz | tuxipuxi: its possible, however its not the case |
| 19:49.47 | pluhator | but i have cpp-3.4 installed |
| 19:50.01 | tuxipuxi | nvz: so i have to install the crappy ati proprietary driver? |
| 19:50.17 | jim | pluhator: cpp is the preprocessor |
| 19:50.18 | nvz | tuxipuxi: its more likely, your screen doesnt support it, because you either didnt supply the correct valuse for the monitor, or you did not choose resolutions higer than 1024x768 |
| 19:50.34 | MemphisMafioso | Hi, how do I configure multiple keyboard input languages in X Window? |
| 19:50.35 | jim | pluhator: cc1plus is the c++ compiler |
| 19:50.41 | tuxipuxi | nvz: http://tuxipuxi.org/files/XF86Config-4 .. the screen supports 1400x1050 |
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| 19:51.02 | astronut | what time do the archives get updated? |
| 19:51.11 | pluhator | well - so which envs should i set? |
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| 19:51.25 | tuxipuxi | is there a debian package somewhere for the ati linux drivers? |
| 19:51.33 | nvz | tuxipuxi: no, actually it doesnt. or you would be able to get that. |
| 19:51.58 | tuxipuxi | nvz: the screen *does* support it, i've already had that resolution running linux and windows |
| 19:52.04 | FieldySnuts | @lart tuxipuxi |
| 19:52.06 | nvz | tuxipuxi: the "screen" is a virtual entity made up of the modelines, which are calculated by the values |
| 19:52.12 | nvz | tuxipuxi: a screen is not a monitor |
| 19:52.18 | tuxipuxi | oh, sorry |
| 19:52.27 | nvz | tuxipuxi: read the damn config file, screen and monitor are two different sections |
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| 19:52.56 | tuxipuxi | nvz: but all lines in that section are above 1024.. so it should work, no? |
| 19:53.14 | Printer_Cartridg | how do you make a program start automatically when you login? |
| 19:53.47 | nvz | tuxipuxi: goto http://monitorworld.com/monitors_home.html and get the right values to put into your Section "Monitor" and then maybe it will work |
| 19:53.52 | jim | Printer_Cartridg: man bash, look for FILES section |
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| 19:54.12 | aidehua | Printer_Cartridg: in X or at a shell? |
| 19:54.14 | Printer_Cartridg | what is man bash? |
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| 19:54.26 | jim | ohboy |
| 19:54.36 | transgress | wow |
| 19:54.38 | jim | Printer_Cartridg: man man |
| 19:54.38 | Printer_Cartridg | X |
| 19:54.50 | transgress | you asked that |
| 19:54.53 | aidehua | Printer_Cartridg: get a shell, run man man, and Come Back Later(TM) |
| 19:54.55 | duBBer | does any body here have a website the is *.dyndns.org |
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| 19:55.19 | jim | Printer_Cartridg: so... you're new... |
| 19:55.27 | transgress | lmao |
| 19:55.41 | Printer_Cartridg | everyone is new at some point |
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| 19:55.49 | jim | very true |
| 19:55.52 | duBBer | does any one have a mod-chipped xbox |
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| 19:56.03 | jim | not saying that's bad |
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| 19:56.17 | aidehua | duBBer: yes, some people have mod-chipped xboxen |
| 19:56.30 | nvz | tuxipuxi: the server calculates available modes that will work with the device, monitor, and screens you supply. see your /var/log/XFree86.0.log it will show you what screens it choose, and which ones were out of range. By putting the correct values in for the monitor, you can get more modes. |
| 19:56.34 | duBBer | mine is xeniumICE chip with evox and 60gig HDD |
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| 19:56.44 | Printer_Cartridg | I found man bash |
| 19:56.55 | transgress | good job |
| 19:57.01 | jim | Printer_Cartridg: do you have graphical login? |
| 19:57.02 | transgress | read it |
| 19:57.08 | Printer_Cartridg | yes |
| 19:57.15 | jim | well, he won't understand initially' |
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| 19:57.31 | jim | YES he should read it at some point... |
| 19:57.52 | MemphisMafioso | can anyone please answer my question? |
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| 19:58.14 | jim | yes, anyone can answer your question! |
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| 19:58.23 | mlalkaka | hi |
| 19:58.27 | Printer_Cartridg | which section is autorun under |
| 19:58.45 | MemphisMafioso | cool, cause I asked it twice and it's borderlining on flood :) |
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| 19:58.49 | MemphisMafioso | here it is |
| 19:58.52 | MemphisMafioso | Hi, how do I configure multiple keyboard input languages in X Window? |
| 19:59.18 | nvz | MemphisMafioso: did it ever occur to you, that if no one answers, you should try elsewhere or reprhase? |
| 19:59.20 | erirlar | <PROTECTED> |
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| 19:59.38 | jim | hmm, oops, not everyone can answer that one... me for example |
| 19:59.43 | nvz | MemphisMafioso: the debian mailing lists are incredibly helpful.. you probably could have gotten 15 replies by now. |
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| 20:00.12 | netgod | jim: heh im not even sure X is that cool; emacs needs special support for Japanese, for instance |
| 20:00.14 | DavidS | erirlar: nmap -sP net/24 |
| 20:00.15 | nvz | MemphisMafioso: reaches a larger audience, and being that its more work to read and write email than it is to IRC, people don |
| 20:00.17 | MemphisMafioso | nvz: I've tried #linuxhelp, #xfree86 and #linuxtalk with the same result |
| 20:00.24 | nvz | MemphisMafioso: 't generally waste time giving bad advice |
| 20:00.27 | Zambba | How can I make my computer to update clock with ntp? |
| 20:00.42 | DavidS | Zambba: apt-get install ntpdate |
| 20:00.43 | prh | ntpdate pool.nt.org |
| 20:00.45 | jim | Zambba: install that and ntpdate |
| 20:00.45 | erirlar | DavidS: thanks |
| 20:00.47 | MemphisMafioso | nvz: OK, I'll do that |
| 20:00.49 | Printer_Cartridg | can someone just tell me how to make program start automatically? |
| 20:00.50 | Zambba | thanks |
| 20:01.25 | jim | Printer_Cartridg: put shell commands to start the program in .xsession |
| 20:01.49 | jim | (but if you do that, it will have other effects...) |
| 20:01.54 | nvz | MemphisMafioso: probably asking the same question. maybe you should try something, and come with a specific problem. your issue is incredibly general and obviously being directed at people who dont care.. if you are multi-lingual, go to a debian channel that speaks another language.. in here most people may only speak one language |
| 20:02.31 | Printer_Cartridg | is there an easy way to do it, that does involve very much of the console? |
| 20:02.33 | mlalkaka | i've been looking on the internet and googling about what is hald, but i can't get very much info. all i know (or what i think i know) is that it allows programs to access my hardware directly. is this correct? my problem is that after compiling my new kernel, during startup i get a message that says "Starting Hardware abstraction layer ... hald.c:302: Your kernel does not support capabilities; some features will not be available." Wh |
| 20:02.33 | mlalkaka | at types of things are not available? Has anyone else had this problem after compiling/using their own kernel? |
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| 20:03.29 | DavidS | mlalkaka: start with dpkg -S hald, apt-cache show hald and dpkg -L hald |
| 20:03.48 | DavidS | mlalkaka: there you'll probably find docs ... |
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| 20:04.14 | mlalkaka | DavidS, alright. i'm looking into it... |
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| 20:05.25 | pluhator | ok - one problem solved - i had to reinstall g++ |
| 20:05.58 | pluhator | but the precompiled headers dont work yet :( |
| 20:05.58 | chump | has anyone successfully mounted an ipod for use with gtkpod? if so did you use -t vfat or hfsplus? |
| 20:06.34 | pluhator | i knw it's a bit offtopic but did anyone got it working? |
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| 20:09.36 | mlalkaka | DavidS, that last two commands you gave me couldnt find a package called hald |
| 20:09.40 | [|HuGO|] | helpme |
| 20:09.41 | [|HuGO|] | pls |
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| 20:10.56 | numist | Im already there |
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| 20:11.12 | [|HuGO|] | please mens ? |
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| 20:12.26 | cybertek | anyone know a simple program that can grab a random line of a file in C/C++ ? |
| 20:12.32 | doublehp | whats the command to manually mount proc ? |
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| 20:13.07 | netgod | doublehp: mount -t proc proc /proc |
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| 20:13.32 | mlalkaka | DavidS, and the first command only gave me a man page, which i've read. but it doesn't give me any relevant information, other than a website, which i've already gone to |
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| 20:13.46 | netgod | cybertek: nothing in C is simple -- first you have to open the file ... :-) |
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| 20:14.28 | daemon_man | hi. i know how to upgrade a distriution by apt-get update; aptget dist-upgrade how can i upgrade just an individual package such as mdadm alone |
| 20:14.54 | jim | daemon_man: man apt-get |
| 20:15.04 | mlalkaka | daemon_man, i think apt-get install <package_name> should do it |
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| 20:15.13 | jim | actually, I don't quite understand your question |
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| 20:15.15 | cybertek | netgod, hmm, LOL |
| 20:15.16 | mlalkaka | daemon_man, but i agree with jim |
| 20:15.18 | daemon_man | even if it is already installed |
| 20:15.24 | cybertek | netgod, i found one program, but it wouldnt compile |
| 20:15.28 | daemon_man | wont it say already installed? |
| 20:15.38 | jim | daemon_man no it will replace |
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| 20:15.43 | mlalkaka | daemon_man, i think it will update the package if it is already installed |
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| 20:15.56 | daemon_man | great that is just what i need to do!!! |
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| 20:16.00 | numist | wot, /var is a read only filesystem?? |
| 20:16.04 | numist | ... |
| 20:16.09 | cybertek | netgod, http://wendtstud1.hpi.uni-potsdam.de/labor/Beispielprogramme/Eliza/C/ |
| 20:16.26 | mlalkaka | daemon_man, don't forget to do an 'apt-get update' first though |
| 20:16.28 | fxf | pls could someone give me some pointers to info how to package python module? i need to create package for internal use only - i found 5 or so tutorials how to create debian package (in various different ways) but i still dont know how to package classical python module :/ ... |
| 20:16.38 | Nebular | I'm having trouble starting mysql, error states to look in the syslog, but I'm not sure what I need to do with the info. Anyone care to take a look and point me in the right direction? |
| 20:16.46 | mlalkaka | DavidS, any other ideas for my problem? |
| 20:17.03 | netgod | cybertek: whats the error? |
| 20:17.20 | cybertek | netgod, one is randomnum.c:10: error: `time' undeclared (first use this function) |
| 20:17.21 | numist | grr |
| 20:17.43 | numist | why would /var be mounted readonly, and how do I fix it? |
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| 20:17.59 | jim | numist: yes, why? |
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| 20:18.31 | numist | jim: I asked first :P |
| 20:18.40 | jim | you're closer :P |
| 20:18.41 | |slocate | how do you find otu which locale one is using? |
| 20:18.50 | numist | bah |
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| 20:19.20 | jim | maybe there is a clue in dmesg |
| 20:19.23 | Phated | |slocate: locale. |
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| 20:19.34 | cadu | yay! sensors are working now ! great ;D |
| 20:19.45 | numist | if so, its at the top of the log, its been ro since last night and I never noticed |
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| 20:19.49 | netgod | cybertek: is randomnum.c even on that page? anyway, that usually means someone forgot to specifically include a system header like <time.h> |
| 20:19.49 | numist | :/ |
| 20:19.57 | cadu | strange....M/B temp ... CPU temp and "Temp3:" <- 59C |
| 20:20.04 | cadu | this third temperature should be what ? |
| 20:20.40 | jim | cadu: curious, what kernel are you using? and what were the last few problems to solve? |
| 20:20.41 | cybertek | netgod, yes i fixed that one, its int grline(infile,s1) on that page |
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| 20:21.35 | cadu | jim: well , no more problems , i'm using a custom kernel...the problem is that i forgot to add the i2c buses for my mobo , now i've recompiled my kernel adding then , and sensors work perfectly too |
| 20:21.41 | cadu | jim: 2.6.10cadu3 here ;-) |
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| 20:21.47 | numist | how do I force a remount of a volume, to make it rw? |
| 20:21.50 | netgod | cybertek: ok whats the problem with grline()/ |
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| 20:21.58 | netgod | numist: mount -o remount,rw volume |
| 20:22.03 | cadu | jim: but i don't know from where sensors are getting this "Temp3" thing , hitting 59C !! |
| 20:22.20 | numist | thanks netgod |
| 20:22.20 | mlalkaka | i've been looking on the internet and googling about what is hald, but i can't get very much info. all i know (or what i think i know) is that it allows programs to access my hardware directly. is this correct? my problem is that after compiling my new kernel, during startup i get a message that says "Starting Hardware abstraction layer ... hald.c:302: Your kernel does not support capabilities; some features will not be available." Wh |
| 20:22.20 | mlalkaka | at types of things are not available? Has anyone else had this problem after compiling/using their own kernel? |
| 20:22.28 | jim | cadu: hmm, 59 degrees c is pretty warm... |
| 20:22.44 | numist | ok, heres where the problem comes in I guess.. |
| 20:22.45 | dafresh | cadu: it could be your cpu temp, duplicated |
| 20:22.45 | numist | mount: block device /dev/sda3 is write-protected, mounting read-only |
| 20:22.54 | numist | netgod: what could be the cause of that? |
| 20:23.06 | cadu | jim: temp3 is what ? M/B temp is hitting 34C and CPU Temp is hitting 43C (normal) and Temp3 59 :D |
| 20:23.13 | jim | numist: write protected? how can that happen? |
| 20:23.27 | numist | no idea.. sda1 is root, so its not the drive... |
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| 20:24.04 | netgod | numist: well, is sda a CD-WORM device or something? |
| 20:24.17 | numist | netgod: no, scsi hard drive, the whole system is on that one drive |
| 20:24.27 | numist | root, swap, and var |
| 20:25.03 | netgod | numist: dunno then; maybe try a fsck of it just in case |
| 20:25.04 | simonrvn | [Cadet]: S.T.F.U. |
| 20:25.09 | simonrvn | [Cadet]: sorry |
| 20:25.16 | numist | good idea |
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| 20:25.45 | numist | netgod: is it ok to run fsck on it while mounted? unmounting var could be bad for the running system |
| 20:25.50 | simonrvn | [Cadet]: wasn't watching the screen when i typed that =) |
| 20:26.09 | cybertek | netgod, splotch.c:29: error: `infile' was not declared in this scope |
| 20:26.18 | cybertek | netgod, and the same for s1 |
| 20:26.30 | netgod | numist: yes you can fsck if its indeed read-only |
| 20:26.53 | numist | /var clean |
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| 20:27.36 | HOOOk | hi |
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| 20:28.06 | Led_Zeppelin | how can I can see what traffic is going to port xx ? |
| 20:28.20 | simonrvn | tcpdump |
| 20:28.30 | netgod | cybertek: what compiler are u using? |
| 20:28.38 | HOOOk | exit |
| 20:29.00 | netgod | cybertek: the file is valid C, its C++ compiler that produces the error |
| 20:29.14 | cybertek | netgod, gcc version 3.3.5 (Debian 1:3.3.5-5) |
| 20:29.16 | netgod | cybertek: C++ is more picky about syntax |
| 20:29.28 | cybertek | netgod, oh |
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| 20:29.36 | netgod | are u sure the filename ends in .c and not .cc |
| 20:29.39 | cybertek | netgod, i cant even make a random number generator! |
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| 20:29.58 | cybertek | netgod, if i could make one of those MAYBE i could make some type of loop function |
| 20:30.54 | netgod | cybertek: you compiled it with "gcc something.c" and it gave you a g++ error? |
| 20:30.55 | numist | oooh no the disk is corrupt |
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| 20:32.02 | numist | oh hell no... |
| 20:32.14 | DrPete | when you need to grant all sql privs to a mysql user what do I need to add? I dont want to give too much if you see what I mean |
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| 20:32.32 | cybertek | netgod, now it seems to compile! but it has one problem |
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| 20:33.27 | numist | what program do I use to find bad blocks on a drive... |
| 20:33.31 | cybertek | netgod, now it compiled |
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| 20:34.59 | netgod | numist: mke2fs does this, actually, if you specify -c or -c -c when making the filesystem |
| 20:35.10 | numist | hmm... |
| 20:35.21 | pipeline | numist: How old is the drive? |
| 20:35.24 | numist | well, I need to convert the partition to ext3 now, since fsck threw out the journal |
| 20:35.32 | numist | pipeline: old enough to die, verily |
| 20:35.37 | pipeline | numist: That's not what I asked :P |
| 20:35.42 | numist | years |
| 20:35.47 | pipeline | numist: If it's newer than about 1995, it should have zero bad blocks even if it's about to fail. |
| 20:35.50 | netgod | hm mke3fs? :-) |
| 20:35.57 | pipeline | netgod: mke2fs -J |
| 20:36.02 | numist | I dont know the exact runtime, but its been around at work longer than I have |
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| 20:36.09 | numist | yeah, mke2fs -j |
| 20:36.10 | pipeline | numist: install smartctl |
| 20:36.30 | netgod | there are ways to poll the S.M.A.R.T data even in post-1995 drives |
| 20:36.54 | pipeline | numist: And cross your fingers, on any even semi-modern drive, the drive has spare blocks and detects bad blocks before they go bad. So if you're seeing bad blocks, it means all the spares have already been used and it's probably already gone tits-up |
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| 20:37.24 | pipeline | numist: i.e. reasonably modern IDE drives and even fucking ancient SCSI drives will conceal bad blocks from the OS |
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| 20:38.08 | muttix | pipeline: you mean ALL harddrives gor bad sectors ? |
| 20:38.13 | calin | is there a WYSIWYG editor for html in apt-get? |
| 20:38.26 | TNKS | hello. I was looking into checkinstall, and I was wondering if checkinstall was good at handling installation conflicts. |
| 20:38.36 | numist | pipeline: I hope so indeed... but why would the device be read only? the device, not the fs |
| 20:38.43 | numist | mount: block device /dev/sda3 is write-protected, mounting read-only |
| 20:38.48 | TNKS | Does anybody know what happens if one installation tries to overwrite a file of anothers? |
| 20:39.14 | numist | muttix: all drives get back sectors, but drives will dynamically hide this from the OS by using unused platter space |
| 20:39.18 | TNKS | Stow looks like it would handle conflict in a very rational way, but it's a bit more manual than check install. |
| 20:39.27 | numist | TNKS: its linux, it overwrites it. |
| 20:39.29 | muttix | hmmm.. thanks |
| 20:39.37 | netgod | muttix: tehnically yes, just like nearly all CDs have scratches and data glitches -- its the job of the drive firmware to correct for all that, remap sectors to safe areas of the platter, and pretend to the OS that everything is ok |
| 20:39.41 | numist | unless its a smart installer, whichdetects and merges |
| 20:40.11 | netgod | muttix: until it runs out of good space on the platter, and all heck breaks loose |
| 20:40.17 | numist | great.. bunch o not founds from the web server side now... argh |
| 20:40.18 | TNKS | numist, do you use either Checkinstall or Stow? |
| 20:40.26 | numist | TNKS: nope |
| 20:40.29 | muttix | netgod: i did not know that.... Getting smarter every day :) |
| 20:40.34 | netgod | muttix: which is why it was said earlier that if a modern drive actually shows you a bad sector, its REALLY screwed internally |
| 20:40.44 | numist | so.. why would a block device be read-only? |
| 20:41.04 | muttix | netgod: then for sure i need a new harddrive for my server :) |
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| 20:41.58 | dead|shell | hi all |
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| 20:42.22 | dead|shell | is the ner install of ia64 for intel itanium? |
| 20:42.27 | dead|shell | net* |
| 20:42.38 | pipeline | deadcat: ia64 is itanium, yes |
| 20:43.11 | dead|shell | so there is no amd version then? |
| 20:43.18 | muttix | callin: bluefish ?... as wysiwyg editor ?...or mozilla composer as a simple solution maybe ? |
| 20:43.20 | numist | so, I guess Im reinstalling, then, eh? |
| 20:43.24 | TNKS | hmm, then in a way, I think I prefer Stow over CheckInstall (for sensible conflict managment). Does anybody else here have an opinion on the subject? |
| 20:43.38 | J_P | people, anyone know if kernel 2.4.27 have support to SATA ? |
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| 20:44.10 | pipeline | dead|shell: There is, but it's pretty, uh, beta-quality. I wouldn't use it if I were you. |
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| 20:45.23 | dead|shell | thanks pipeline i heard it wasn't ready yet but i didn't see a link for it |
| 20:46.03 | n4y | #flood |
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| 20:46.26 | omry | I have a module that need to access the serial port (lirc_serial) at boot, but the kernel hold it already, how do I prevent the kernel from catching that port? |
| 20:46.34 | pipeline | dead|shell: In all honesty, there's not a whole lot of benefit to an amd64 port. Work goes slowly because not that many people actually use it. |
| 20:47.06 | pipeline | dead|shell: Unless you spend a lot of time doing lisp work, encoding MP3's, or doing CAD with 4+ gigabyte models, you won't notice a performance benefit. |
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| 20:47.20 | BibTeX | hello |
| 20:47.33 | BibTeX | How can I choose a mirror to install from |
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| 20:47.43 | stew | BibTeX: apt-setup |
| 20:47.45 | pipeline | BibTeX: What country do you live in? |
| 20:47.49 | BibTeX | France |
| 20:47.50 | Ely__ | hi, has anyone gotten the latest ATI fglrx module to compile for 2.6.11 kernel? |
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| 20:47.58 | pipeline | BibTeX: Then I have no recommendations |
| 20:48.10 | BibTeX | Thank you very much |
| 20:48.21 | stew | ftp.fr.debian.org |
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| 20:48.27 | dead|shell | pipeline, yeah but i got an amd64 box im building and just looking for a decent distro......i'll be ready when they make the move to 64 though i guess |
| 20:48.34 | omry | Ely__, just got it to work in 2.6.7, dunno abut 2.6.11 |
| 20:49.00 | stew | dead|shell: many people are using ubuntu's amd64 port until debian has one, which will probably will be in etch |
| 20:49.07 | pipeline | dead|shell: Well, the big problem is that tons of software simply doesn't work on amd64. Finding a distribution is the easy part. Debian, Redhat, Windows, Solaris are all available in beta form. |
| 20:49.09 | Ely__ | omry, It works fine on 2.6.9 too .. but alas it seems the ati drivers are always behind |
| 20:49.12 | dead|shell | pipeline, you need like 4gigs of RAM too eh? |
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| 20:49.32 | omry | Ely__, too bad :(. |
| 20:50.15 | drac | Ely__: there is unofficial patch for it, works with 2.6.11.3. http://www.uusikaupunki.fi/~sasuomin/8.10.19-2.6.11.patch (patch -p1 < 8.10.19-2.6.11.patch in build_mod/module source directory) |
| 20:50.32 | Ely__ | drac, SWEET , I bow to you good sir |
| 20:50.56 | BibTeX | if I have mmany mirrors in my file, how to choose which one to contact? |
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| 20:51.17 | pruz | hi all |
| 20:51.21 | dead|shell | well thanks for all your advice |
| 20:51.23 | pruz | has anyone used phpnuke? |
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| 20:51.45 | Biovore | I used phpnuke |
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| 20:52.08 | pruz | Biovore: do you know how can i know if a person has registered twice or more? |
| 20:52.30 | stew | BibTeX: by removing the ones you don't want to use |
| 20:52.57 | Biovore | check the database, the default nuke should check, and not allow multipule emails/usernames in the system |
| 20:53.04 | BibTeX | stew: isn't there any softer method such as passing a param by the command line? |
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| 20:54.23 | pruz | Biovore: but if he/she uses different email and usernames? Is it possible to know the ip or the o.s.? |
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| 20:54.44 | djperegrine | Does anyone here have a tourital on how to devolop PHP sites in debian ? |
| 20:54.51 | Ely__ | drac, that patch worked like a charm with 2.6.113 |
| 20:55.04 | SigmaX | hey, I'm tring to compile tmsnc on Sarge/PPC. On ./configure I get: checking for C compiler default output file name... configure: error: C compiler cannot create executables |
| 20:55.06 | transgress | djperegrine: w3schools.com |
| 20:55.13 | asg | djperegrine: it's the same as developing PHP sites on any other platform |
| 20:55.22 | asg | !b-e SigmaX |
| 20:55.24 | djperegrine | yea but I mean what programs to get etc. |
| 20:55.25 | dpkg | SigmaX: Sounds like you need to install build-essential. |
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| 20:55.47 | SigmaX | dpkg thanx. It's a freshly installed minimal system... I didn't know exactly what I was missing :-) |
| 20:55.47 | dpkg | SigmaX: pas de quoi |
| 20:55.51 | netgod | SigmaX: so do you have a C compiler? just curious |
| 20:55.52 | DaCa | BibTeX: there is no good reason for that, when running apt-get update it updates your local database so it knows whats available on all mirrors, when installing it will only contact the needed servers |
| 20:55.53 | asg | djperegrine: apt-get install php4 libapache-mod-php4 |
| 20:56.00 | asg | djperegrine: read /usr/share/doc/php4/README* |
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| 20:56.32 | Frater_Sx | hello |
| 20:56.42 | SigmaX | netgod: I apt-getted CGG, but nothing else |
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| 20:56.46 | Frater_Sx | I would like to identify a file containing a text string |
| 20:56.49 | SigmaX | GCC** |
| 20:56.50 | Frater_Sx | but with cat & grep I didn't succeed |
| 20:56.51 | asg | Frater_Sx: man grep |
| 20:57.06 | Frater_Sx | because grep finds only the string without telling me the filename |
| 20:57.10 | netgod | Frater: what are u trying to do? |
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| 20:57.14 | asg | Frater_Sx: man grep (look for -l) |
| 20:57.23 | Frater_Sx | asg lemme check =) |
| 20:57.35 | netgod | Frater: grep --with-filename |
| 20:57.55 | netgod | Frater: err, -l is better, what asg said |
| 20:57.58 | BibTeX | DaCa: Thank you very much, I will try. Thus I will have to run this program often to update my DB |
| 20:58.05 | Hacaro | in wich channel can I ask I question about an algorithm?(A*) |
| 20:58.06 | asg | netgod: either would work, it depends on how much context he wants |
| 20:58.32 | asg | Hacaro: #math most likely |
| 20:58.37 | Frater_Sx | it just tells me "Standard input" |
| 20:58.38 | Hacaro | thnks |
| 20:58.45 | Frater_Sx | if I do cat * | grep -l "string" |
| 20:58.48 | netgod | Frater: stop using "cat" :-) |
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| 20:58.55 | LordGrunt | hello |
| 20:58.56 | asg | Frater_Sx: then don't cat it, just do 'grep -lR foo /dir' |
| 20:59.05 | netgod | Frater: grep -l "string" * |
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| 20:59.21 | LordGrunt | how to change refresh rate of monitor in xfree? im using ubuntu warty |
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| 20:59.26 | Frater_Sx | oh yeah! |
| 20:59.28 | Frater_Sx | thanks!!!!!!!!!!! |
| 20:59.33 | Frater_Sx | very big many thanks =))) |
| 20:59.38 | asg | :) |
| 20:59.46 | Frater_Sx | I didn't know grep could be used as stand alone =) |
| 21:00.01 | LordGrunt | note, i cant select 75Hz option in config tool |
| 21:00.04 | asg | Frater_Sx: an often misunderstood feature of most unix tools |
| 21:00.08 | LordGrunt | but i know i can use it |
| 21:00.19 | Frater_Sx | =) |
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| 21:01.02 | travisat | !ubuntu |
| 21:01.03 | dpkg | from memory, ubuntu is NOT Debian, see http://www.ubuntulinux.org. IRC channel is #ubuntu |
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| 21:01.22 | DaCa | BibTeX: yes, its a good idea to do an apt-get update before each upgrade or install session |
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| 21:02.14 | toresbe | !skolelinux |
| 21:02.14 | dpkg | rumour has it, skolelinux is at http://www.skolelinux.no/, or a derivative of debian for Norwegian schools, supposedly easier to install. We are developing a Linux distribution for schools. Our aim is to make it simple to install and maintain. Furthermore, to be of real use from primary school on up, it should be available in as many local languages as possible. |
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| 21:02.35 | toresbe | !factinfo skolelinux |
| 21:02.35 | dpkg | skolelinux -- last modified at Tue Sep 16 11:17:48 2003 by ircdevil!~maasha@mbi-soelv113.molbio.ku.dk; it has been requested 6 times, last by toresbe, 21s ago. |
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| 21:03.42 | alive | where can i get some fortune files? |
| 21:03.57 | asg | alive: besides the ones already installed? |
| 21:04.02 | netgod | alive: apt-cache search fortune |
| 21:04.03 | alive | yes |
| 21:04.10 | asg | alive: apt-cache search fortunes |
| 21:04.15 | jim | alive: from fortune 500 companies? |
| 21:04.28 | alive | besides the already packaged... I mean |
| 21:04.36 | alive | besides the ones already packaged... I mean |
| 21:04.43 | pipeline | There's a lot already packaged |
| 21:04.45 | jim | oh, that's a nondebian question :) |
| 21:04.54 | jim | google |
| 21:04.58 | asg | alive: http://gimp.shacknet.nu/code/debian/debian-irc.fortune (#debian qotd fortune files) |
| 21:05.00 | pipeline | Be sure to install the offensive fortune files |
| 21:05.04 | pipeline | they're the best |
| 21:05.33 | asg | alive: don't forget to run 'strfile' on that source |
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| 21:06.16 | jelly | jim: no, that question is directly relevant for debian... how else would you know which ones aren't packaged in Debian? |
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| 21:06.46 | travisat | fortune 500 is relevant to debian? |
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| 21:06.50 | jim | jelly: by knowing which ones are |
| 21:06.52 | Phated | The Bart Simpson ones. |
| 21:07.05 | jelly | jim: my point exactly |
| 21:07.07 | travisat | The Futurama ones |
| 21:07.20 | Phated | Ah yeah Futurama! |
| 21:07.31 | scarynetworkguy | BOFH! |
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| 21:07.51 | jim | jelly: so that question is on topic... the list of all fortune fiiles in the world, maybe not |
| 21:07.51 | aw | what tool can i use to bur dvd in debian? |
| 21:07.53 | alive | there should be a ripper for 'memorable quotes' from imdb.org |
| 21:08.19 | asg | alive: then write one |
| 21:08.45 | bash0 | aw use dvdrecord |
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| 21:09.01 | netgod | aw: mkisofs and cdrecord |
| 21:09.02 | aw | bash0: can't apt get it tho... u know a source list? |
| 21:09.04 | jelly | k3b? nerolinux_2.0.0.0-6.deb? :-) |
| 21:09.15 | bash0 | aw what debian do you use? woody? |
| 21:09.15 | Phated | imdb? Screw that, quotes from bash! |
| 21:09.18 | netgod | aw: nearly everything else are simply pretty GUIs for these |
| 21:09.21 | scarynetworkguy | Heh. |
| 21:09.22 | aw | bash0: sid |
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| 21:09.50 | spoopin | asg: hi |
| 21:09.53 | asg | spoopin: hiya |
| 21:10.02 | bash0 | aw there is dvdrtools or something |
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| 21:10.17 | spoopin | asg: check your CP mail for a list of Emily's SWG characters |
| 21:10.18 | bash0 | aw the program later on is called dvdrecord |
| 21:10.24 | asg | spoopin: ah, will do |
| 21:10.26 | bash0 | aw apt-get install dvdrtools |
| 21:10.30 | asg | spoopin: tell her thanks |
| 21:11.07 | aw | bash0: thanks! |
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| 21:11.16 | bash0 | aw: welcome |
| 21:11.16 | spoopin | asg: quite.. she had to type it herself due to the complexity of the names... her first experience with vi :) |
| 21:11.26 | asg | spoopin: eep :0 |
| 21:11.41 | asg | spoopin: so, how's the new priest? |
| 21:11.43 | s1gm4 | yo dudes i am having problems installing my video card on debian linux is this the right place to ask for help ???? |
| 21:11.52 | spoopin | asg: encoding as we speak :) |
| 21:11.54 | aw | bash0: for whatever reason apt-cache didn't tell me about that package |
| 21:11.55 | asg | spoopin: :) |
| 21:11.57 | aw | thanks to all |
| 21:12.08 | bash0 | aw no clue... apt-cache dvd burn should show something |
| 21:12.09 | asg | s1gm4: /msg dpkg drxx |
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| 21:12.12 | spoopin | asg: some good things on it so far, too |
| 21:12.21 | bash0 | aw apt-cache search dvd burn i mean |
| 21:12.22 | asg | spoopin: cool, it's about time. |
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| 21:12.46 | spoopin | asg: yep - a 13 min. epic to end on, too |
| 21:12.47 | nailbiter | aw: the package name is actually "dvd+rw-tools", and the tool you want is "growisofs". |
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| 21:12.59 | asg | spoopin: hehe, rock |
| 21:13.00 | redduck666 | is there any command that lists all partitions detected on my system? |
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| 21:13.06 | nailbiter | redduck666: cat /proc/partitions |
| 21:13.07 | bash0 | aw though it doesnt show dvdrtools... shame it doesnt... |
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| 21:13.44 | Phated | Isn't it dvdrwtools anyway? |
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| 21:14.09 | travisat | nero for linux would be a good thing |
| 21:14.15 | pipeline | s1gm4: Yes, it's the right place to ask for help if you ask the right questions. |
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| 21:14.22 | nailbiter | bash0, Phated: the package name is "dvd+rw-tools". no idea why it's named such |
| 21:14.26 | pipeline | travisat: Well, it's available, but none of the extra stuff comes with it. Just burning rom. |
| 21:14.27 | s1gm4 | redduck666 you can do fdisk /dev/hda |
| 21:14.27 | jelly | travisat: ermm... nero for linux _exists_. |
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| 21:14.37 | travisat | I mean the full package |
| 21:14.45 | scarynetworkguy | nailbiter: Because it is for dvvd+rw as opposed to dvd-rw? |
| 21:14.49 | scarynetworkguy | Just a guess. |
| 21:14.58 | pipeline | scarynetworkguy: Why would that make a difference? |
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| 21:15.17 | Phated | There actually is a difference between -rw and +rw. |
| 21:15.30 | nailbiter | scarynetworkguy: originally, it was for blanking dvd+rw media. support for dvd-r, dvd+r's been added since, though |
| 21:15.32 | pipeline | In on-disk format? |
| 21:15.34 | asg | Phated: man chmod? ;) |
| 21:15.35 | scarynetworkguy | pipeline: Two tottally different things form what I understand. |
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| 21:15.42 | scarynetworkguy | But I don't really know. |
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| 21:15.48 | pipeline | scarynetworkguy: Oh, never mind, you're talking about the software that handles burning them. :P |
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| 21:16.36 | valdyn_ | different media but i dont think its different api / interface |
| 21:16.39 | scarynetworkguy | pipeline: Yeah. That was my guess. I don't have either one so don't really know. |
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| 21:16.54 | redduck666 | if i want to mount a hda6 that is reiserfs to /storage, what do i need to do? mount [-t reiserfs] hda6 /storage? |
| 21:17.19 | nailbiter | redduck666: you can leave out the '-t reiserfs' if you've already loaded the 'reiserfs' module into the kernel |
| 21:17.21 | valdyn_ | redduck666: if you current directory is /dev then that would work |
| 21:17.29 | s1gm4 | the problem i have is that i installed my system and now i have no sound , i do an lsmod and i get the modules listed and i also tried alsaconf and still i get : /usr/sbin/alsactl: save_state:1194: No soundcards found... |
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| 21:18.14 | jelly | redduck666: /dev/hda6 instead of hda6 |
| 21:18.24 | nailbiter | s1gm4: which sound card/chipset do you have? |
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| 21:18.41 | TNKS | all right, so I'm not exactly up to speed on automake, but does "./configure --prefix=$SOMEPATH; make; make install" amount to the same as "./configure; make; make install prefix=$SOMEPATH"? |
| 21:19.15 | jelly | TNKS: probably not. |
| 21:19.32 | nailbiter | TNKS: not the same. :) the first command will hardware $SOMEPATH into your executables as the prefix; the second will use the default prefix (usually /usr/local) but install into $SOMEPATH |
| 21:19.36 | redduck666 | thanks guys, modprobe reiserfs did the trick |
| 21:19.39 | valdyn_ | TNKS: ./configure --help |
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| 21:19.50 | pipeline | redduck666: I tremble to think what you need that module for |
| 21:20.00 | nailbiter | TNKS: err .. s/hardware/hardwire/ :) |
| 21:20.17 | jelly | pipeline: hey... people are using that stuff, you know. |
| 21:20.29 | pipeline | jelly: Yes, and that frightens and concerns me. |
| 21:20.39 | s1gm4 | mine is : 0000:00:14.5 Multimedia audio controller: ATI Technologies Inc IXP150 AC'97 Audio Controller |
| 21:20.43 | TNKS | nailbiter, that's *exactly* what I thought, but I see people misusing Stow all the time, then. |
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| 21:21.12 | TNKS | It's like they just followed some cookbook, but didn't bother to look at the Stow README. |
| 21:21.20 | jelly | pipeline: it's actually quite good. Providing you have a working backup. |
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| 21:21.45 | s1gm4 | and i was using thid module : snd_atiixp the module gets loaded but i see an error on my logs |
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| 21:22.18 | s1gm4 | i see this : ATI IXP AC97 controller: probe of 0000:00:14.5 failed with error -13 |
| 21:22.39 | pipeline | jelly: First, I don't care for Hans Reiser the man. As long as he's involved, I'll balk. Secondly, most people don't have any backup and quite a few don't actually test the backups they do have. |
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| 21:22.50 | jelly | pipeline: and then there was that one time with the 72 hours fsck and lots of angry people ;-) |
| 21:22.57 | tra1a1a | is there a way to compile 64bit kernel on a 32bit installation? |
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| 21:23.24 | nailbiter | s1gm4: it might be that your sound card/chipset isn't supported yet by that driver. perhaps you could have a look at the big table at -- http://www.alsa-project.org/alsa-doc |
| 21:23.30 | Thargor | crosscompile? |
| 21:23.31 | pipeline | tra1a1a: Yeah, you'll need a full amd64 toolchain, though. It's possible to cross-compile with GCC and binutils from just about anything to just about anything. |
| 21:23.42 | pipeline | tra1a1a: It is not a trivial exercise. |
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| 21:24.26 | jelly | pipeline: As for Hans, I concur. As for the reiser3fs, it has been pretty stable last 2-3 years, but ext3 has catched up in terms of performance, esp. w/ -o dir_index |
| 21:24.39 | s1gm4 | ok ill check there ........... |
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| 21:24.52 | tra1a1a | I see. So I better use a 64bit installation if I want a custom 64bit kernel? |
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| 21:25.17 | pipeline | tra1a1a: Given that you're asking these questions at all, yes. Setting up a cross-compile toolchain isn't impossible, but it sure as hell isn't fun. |
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| 21:25.33 | FieldySnuts | it's also a nightmare to maintain |
| 21:25.54 | pipeline | jelly: Well, there you have it then. |
| 21:26.14 | tra1a1a | From the otherhand downloading and installing a 64bit distro only for a kernel compilation isn't much fun as well. |
| 21:26.32 | jelly | pipeline: and hey, people have been using even DJB's and de Raadt's products, and they also have ... strong personalities. |
| 21:26.35 | cakoose | How are logs rotated in Debian? I want to run logresolve2 on my apache log files, but can't figure out where to put the call. |
| 21:26.54 | asg | cakoose: man logrotate |
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| 21:27.02 | FieldySnuts | djb is a fucknut, i can deal with hans and raadt |
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| 21:27.14 | sdogi | djb? |
| 21:27.19 | pipeline | jelly: DJB and de Raadt are caustic personalities, yes, but they don't strike me as idiots. Reiser says extremely foolish things in public. |
| 21:27.21 | asg | cakoose: see /etc/logrotate.conf and /etc/logrotate.d also |
| 21:27.24 | asg | !djb |
| 21:27.24 | dpkg | i heard djb is an arrogant jerk, or Daniel J. Bernstein, author of qmail, djbdns, etc., or at http://cr.yp.to/djb.html, or a UNIX coding and mathematics genius, or an ego-maniac. See "wanker". |
| 21:27.26 | tra1a1a | thanks anyway. At least now I know my options. I didn't imagine it would take a crosscompiler |
| 21:27.30 | cakoose | asg: ok, thanks |
| 21:27.32 | pipeline | sdogi: djbdjdbdns, qmail, etc. Highly opinionated guy. |
| 21:27.34 | FieldySnuts | hehe good factoid |
| 21:27.46 | asg | FieldySnuts: it covers all bases, that's for sure |
| 21:27.49 | jelly | FieldySnuts: that about mirrors my opinion. |
| 21:27.51 | sdogi | like theo de raadt? :) |
| 21:28.02 | pipeline | sdogi: Actually, that's how DJB came up. |
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| 21:28.10 | FieldySnuts | @abuse DJB |
| 21:28.12 | brullo | How do I convert a .lyx file to .html from within lyx? |
| 21:28.44 | tra1a1a | and what are the 64bit capable gcc versions? >=3.4? |
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| 21:29.06 | FieldySnuts | goes back a lot earlier than that, not sure how far |
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| 21:29.29 | sdogi | hehe de raadt has cool personality, it's like when i read an interview with him.. something seems to be bothering him always.. like he wants to tell you something bad |
| 21:29.43 | jelly | tra1a1a: Methinks >= 3.3 for sure, 3.2 maybe. Then there's egcs64... ;-) |
| 21:29.45 | cakoose | asg: So do I add a call to logresolve2 in the "postrotate" section? |
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| 21:30.38 | asg | cakoose: you can or more likely prerotate |
| 21:30.42 | omry | during boot, a module failes to obtain the serial port because its in use. after boot, I try to modprobe it and it works, probably because setserial released the port. how do I fix the order of things? |
| 21:30.46 | pipeline | jelly: Also, you can't deny that djb and theo de raadt know their shit. The words "dancing trees" sum up Reiser very nicely for me. |
| 21:31.02 | cakoose | asg: Is there a way to just pipe the log file through logresolve2 in the first place? |
| 21:31.23 | asg | cakoose: just run a separate cron job to do that if you wish |
| 21:31.30 | nailbiter | cakoose: perhaps you could have Apache itself resolve hostnames? just use the 'HostnameLookups On' directive in your httpd.conf |
| 21:31.33 | cakoose | asg: Because my logs are read by Webalizer and I'd like it to see the resolved domains immediately. |
| 21:31.48 | cakoose | nailbiter: oh wow... I didn't see that. Will it kill performance? |
| 21:31.49 | tra1a1a | thanks, jelly |
| 21:32.02 | nailbiter | cakoose: generally, no |
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| 21:32.29 | nailbiter | cakoose: also, webalizer itself has a built-in resolver -- there's no real need for a third tool |
| 21:32.32 | asg | cakoose: if you get a lot of traffic it can. In that case, run a dns cache on the webserver to help things out |
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| 21:32.40 | tra1a1a | and... a last one - what version should I select for a crosscompiler? |
| 21:32.48 | jelly | pipeline: Dunno about the terminology, but the explanations at namesys.com looked plausible at first sight. |
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| 21:33.17 | twoface | I have installed Debian with the new sarge installer. After installation, I have compiled a 2.6.11 kernel, but now the system won't boot. It is unable to mount my root-drive, although it is correct in lilo.conf. Is there something special I need to enable in my kernel, for it to work? I am thinking especially about the /dev/ide/host0/... thing? |
| 21:33.52 | streuner | twoface: what error-message you got? |
| 21:34.00 | drasko | Can anyone help, I've got this roblem: Totem-xine show just a blue screen when I play mpeg... |
| 21:34.01 | cakoose | nailbiter: hmm...how do you resolve them in webalizer? |
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| 21:34.16 | twoface | streuner: two seconds |
| 21:34.21 | nailbiter | cakoose: you need to set 'DNSCache' and 'DNSChildren' in your webalizer configuration file |
| 21:34.29 | sdogi | i guess guys who know their shit have every right to be arrogant because they shouldn't spend time ammusing unix fans who just talk too much, they should spend their time developing and that is what they are doing |
| 21:34.29 | nailbiter | cakoose: the manual explains all. :) |
| 21:34.33 | pipeline | jelly: Key words: "at first sight." The man claims to have invented a pretty basic structure, B+ trees. Namesys.com also claims that ReiserFS 3.x had problems because it exercised gates in the processor that other filesystems didn't use. There's no rolleyes big enough. |
| 21:34.34 | streuner | twoface: don't flood here, just the first error |
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| 21:34.57 | tra1a1a | twoface: do you have your fs built into the kernel or it is a molue? |
| 21:35.02 | cakoose | nailbiter: is this a new feature? I can't find any references to those settings in my webalizer.conf file |
| 21:35.34 | twoface | streuner: 'VFS: Cannot open root device. "301" or unknown-block(3,1) |
| 21:35.42 | twoface | tra1a1a: builtin |
| 21:35.57 | streuner | twoface: grep INITRD your_kernel_config |
| 21:35.58 | pipeline | jelly: I don't have any particular reason to think Reiser is a bad person or dislike him, I just don't respect him at all. |
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| 21:36.08 | nailbiter | cakoose: then check your manual page. ;-) it's certainly in 2.01.10 (the version i've got) |
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| 21:36.27 | spoopin | asg: nope - VHS only |
| 21:36.36 | asg | spoopin: bah, does netflix do vhs? |
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| 21:36.50 | spoopin | asg: no - only DVDs |
| 21:36.52 | asg | bah |
| 21:37.02 | nailbiter | twoface: (3,1) is /dev/hda1. did you compile support for your IDE controller into the kernel? |
| 21:37.03 | drasko | anyone? |
| 21:37.04 | jetscreamer | hey wtf is apt-get borked? |
| 21:37.07 | asg | !kill media corporations |
| 21:37.20 | asg | jetscreamer: the bts would know |
| 21:37.20 | Topclass | hi i just installed dabian and logged in and i have a command prompt :( could anyone tell me how to install kde from here? |
| 21:37.26 | spoopin | asg nice |
| 21:37.27 | cakoose | nailbiter: it's in there; thanks for your help |
| 21:37.28 | asg | Topclass: /msg dpkg install kde |
| 21:37.38 | twoface | nailbiter: I would think so |
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| 21:37.45 | asg | spoopin: if they won't release it on dvd, they should just open the archives and I'll burn it to dvd. Fuckers. |
| 21:37.48 | Pappa | Topclass: try apt-get install kde |
| 21:37.48 | jetscreamer | i just did apt-get install and all it did was say 0 upgraded, 0 newly installed, 0 to remove and 0 not upgraded. |
| 21:37.49 | afaik | !dpkg imap |
| 21:37.49 | dpkg | i guess imap is (rfc2060) a protocol allowing a client to access and manipulate electronic mail messages on a server. It permits manipulation of remote message folders (mailboxes), in a way that is functionally equivalent to local mailboxes. IMAP includes operations for creating, deleting, and renaming mailboxes; checking for new messages; permanently removing messages; searching; and selective fetching of message attributes, texts, and ... |
| 21:37.52 | Pappa | or better, do what asg said |
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| 21:37.54 | ixi | hi |
| 21:38.01 | afaik | wtf package has imap in it? |
| 21:38.02 | ixi | Hi. How to extract .config from a kernel file? Kernel 2.6.9 |
| 21:38.07 | pipeline | jelly: That said, ReiserFS does have some interesting ideas in it. Not new ideas, not necessarily good ideas, but interesting ideas. |
| 21:38.10 | asg | afaik: courier-imap, dovecot |
| 21:38.14 | twoface | streuner: nothing |
| 21:38.21 | streuner | twoface: wtf? |
| 21:38.24 | eugenesan | hi all, how can i prevent cron from sending those stupid report of everything it does? |
| 21:38.25 | nailbiter | twoface: if (3,1) is missing, it would imply that IDE support is missing. :) you might want to double-check your kernel .config .. |
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| 21:38.34 | streuner | twoface: you should get something for that command... |
| 21:38.38 | twoface | nailbiter: ok |
| 21:38.40 | calin | ixi: hi i can help you |
| 21:38.41 | nailbiter | ixi: well, usually, it'd be installed into /boot/config-2.6.9 |
| 21:38.42 | twoface | streuner: nothing at all |
| 21:38.50 | afaik | asg, why courier? |
| 21:38.51 | ixi | eugenesan: disable unworking stuff |
| 21:39.08 | sdogi | pipeline: don't like reiserfs eh? |
| 21:39.09 | calin | ixi: if you have the proper config set, you can find your config file gzipped at /proc/config.gz |
| 21:39.10 | asg | afaik: it's stable and it works and supports maildirs |
| 21:39.12 | Topclass | asg: hi i have no idea what those two lines of text want me to do :D |
| 21:39.17 | FieldySnuts | sdogi: he's just a troll, don't pay too much attention |
| 21:39.31 | asg | !install kde |
| 21:39.31 | dpkg | methinks install kde is In sarge, the metapackage 'kde' installs tons of stuff, 'kde-core' slightly less, and 'kdebase' even less. |
| 21:39.34 | nailbiter | ixi: but if you've compiled IKCONFIG into your kernel, you should be able to grab it from /proc/config.gz as well |
| 21:39.37 | sdogi | lol |
| 21:39.38 | streuner | twoface: well ok, i ask via versa..., do you have an initrd kernel? |
| 21:39.46 | pipeline | sdogi: No. |
| 21:39.58 | eugenesan | ixi: there are may tasks most of them on need basis, but i don't want those report my mail box fills every couple days :-( |
| 21:40.03 | ixi | calin, nailbiter: the only which I have - is 'bzImage' file. I can't boot from this kernel since its foreign to my hardware |
| 21:40.04 | asg | Topclass: apt-get install kde or apt-get install kde-core or apt-get install kdebase |
| 21:40.05 | sdogi | pipeline: why not |
| 21:40.10 | pipeline | sdogi: Scroll upwards. |
| 21:40.15 | twoface | streuner: I don't know - what exactly is that? |
| 21:40.20 | FieldySnuts | sdogi: don't worry about it, his los |
| 21:40.21 | FieldySnuts | s |
| 21:40.23 | nailbiter | ixi: i don't think you can extract a .config from that |
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| 21:40.36 | twoface | nailbiter: where do I find IDE controllers in menuconfig? :/ |
| 21:40.44 | pipeline | ixi: You could try using 'strings' to extract a .config :| |
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| 21:40.44 | FieldySnuts | no, you can't extract a config from a kernel image |
| 21:40.47 | calin | ixi: when you get your new kernel source, you can do 'make oldconfig' i believe |
| 21:40.52 | streuner | twoface: read newbiedoc.sf.net section KERNEL-HOWTO |
| 21:40.58 | nailbiter | twoface: hang on, i'll unpack my kernel and run 'make menuconfig' |
| 21:41.10 | streuner | !initrd |
| 21:41.10 | dpkg | i guess initrd is initial root disk. initial RAM disk, or god's way of punishing you for using a prebuilt kernel image, or ...And you WILL HAVE TO INCLUDE AN INITRD STATEMENT IN YOUR BOOTLOADER (hint, hint). Typically if you can't find your root filesystem, this is your problem. or a great system for those who understand modulesneed/want root in lvm and/or md raid. http://everything2.com/index.pl?node_id=1476230 |
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| 21:41.11 | FieldySnuts | calin: which is why he needs the .config , oldconfig is useless without it |
| 21:41.13 | Topclass | asg: k but how do i log in a root to do this (sorry fairly new to linux) |
| 21:41.14 | uman | gentoo is better than debian |
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| 21:41.25 | FieldySnuts | uman: yeah? |
| 21:41.29 | pipeline | uman: Come on, you can do better than that. Change your username and come back with a better troll, man. |
| 21:41.31 | ixi | pipeline: interesting idea, i'll try |
| 21:41.33 | calin | FieldySnuts: I didn't know that |
| 21:41.40 | pipeline | ixi: I imagine you'll have to decompress the kernel image first. |
| 21:41.42 | uman | FieldySnuts: yeah |
| 21:41.43 | streuner | uman: we know that already, that's why we wasting our time here :-) |
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| 21:41.47 | uman | streuner: ok |
| 21:41.48 | asg | Topclass: login as root ; type 'root' at the Login: prompt. Type root's password at the 'Password: ' prompt |
| 21:41.49 | uman | hi BenUrban |
| 21:41.52 | Frater_Sx | bye and thanks =)) |
| 21:41.58 | uman | Are you enjoying xfree86 debian users? |
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| 21:42.07 | FieldySnuts | uman: as a gentoo user, i'm ashamed you're trying to do this. |
| 21:42.14 | FieldySnuts | he does not speak for gentoo users. |
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| 21:42.16 | calin | FieldySnuts: I just take my config from /proc/config.gz and ungzip it and move it to /usr/src/linux.config and then go from there, no need to use oldconfig |
| 21:42.17 | streuner | uman: don't troll |
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| 21:42.24 | uman | but trolling is so fun! |
| 21:42.28 | streuner | uman: ask debian related questions |
| 21:42.36 | pipeline | uman: Yeah, but you're not doing a good job trolling. You have to be creative. |
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| 21:42.49 | asg | uman: do you have a point or are you just being a sad wanker? |
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| 21:42.57 | kutsuya | uman, trolling waste peoples time. |
| 21:42.58 | FieldySnuts | calin: that's only for the *running* kernel, just making that clear |
| 21:42.59 | kutsuya | ' |
| 21:43.11 | calin | FieldySnuts: clarified |
| 21:43.19 | uman | asg: mostly just being a sad wanker |
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| 21:43.49 | rTm-mOzO | i have deleted /etc/init.d/mysql without want :/ |
| 21:43.56 | rTm-mOzO | any can send me ? |
| 21:44.05 | nailbiter | twoface: Device Drivers -> ATA/ATAPI Support, then pick the driver for your IDE chipset. or turn them all on if you're unsure |
| 21:44.11 | asg | rTm-mOzO: just download the deb and get it from there |
| 21:44.22 | nailbiter | rTm-mOzO: apt-get --reinstall install mysql-server |
| 21:44.23 | calin | rTm-mOzO: or --reinstall it |
| 21:44.38 | asg | rTm-mOzO: or use dpkg -i --force-confmiss <deb> |
| 21:44.40 | rTm-mOzO | i've tried |
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| 21:44.57 | uman | actually I was doing an experiment to see how fast I could get banned from #Debian by saying |
| 21:45.00 | rTm-mOzO | but finish with error |
| 21:45.00 | uman | that |
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| 21:45.02 | uman | I guess not, so, bye |
| 21:45.02 | ixi | pipeline: well, and how can I decompress bzImage? Of course it doesn't look like ordinary gzipped file :) |
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| 21:45.10 | calin | i,9 |
| 21:45.11 | rTm-mOzO | /var/lib/dpkg/info/mysql-server.postinst: line 10: /etc/init.d/mysql: Arquivo ou diretório não encontrado |
| 21:45.19 | tra1a1a | how do I prevent ipv5 module from loading? |
| 21:45.21 | rTm-mOzO | on "apt-get install mysq-server" |
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| 21:45.39 | twoface | nailbiter, streuner: thanks - I'll check it out |
| 21:45.42 | asg | tra1a1a: ipv5? cool |
| 21:45.42 | tra1a1a | ipv6 |
| 21:45.42 | nailbiter | rTm-mOzO: add '--reinstall'. |
| 21:45.46 | tra1a1a | :) |
| 21:45.56 | rTm-mOzO | nailbiter too |
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| 21:46.10 | asg | nailbiter: it still won't work since debian assumes correctly that if he deleted it, he doesn't want it |
| 21:46.12 | rTm-mOzO | ih.. error again.. :/ |
| 21:46.15 | FieldySnuts | if only uman knew that on sundays, it's difficult to get banned in #debian (ops are away/sleeping/don't care) |
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| 21:46.21 | asg | nailbiter: he needs to dpkg -i --force-confmiss <pkg> |
| 21:46.30 | deadcat | can screenrc do if statements? |
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| 21:46.50 | nailbiter | tra1a1a: add 'alias net-pf-10 off' to your /etc/modutils/aliases file to prevent the module from auto-loading |
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| 21:46.53 | sdogi | actually i thought there are no OP's in debian |
| 21:46.57 | sdogi | #debian |
| 21:46.58 | nailbiter | asg: ah, right |
| 21:47.02 | asg | FieldySnuts: maybe one day you'll get to be an op and take care of the problem ;) |
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| 21:47.09 | FieldySnuts | they are, they just stay deopped until needed, so they can troll users and then ban them |
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| 21:47.15 | nailbiter | rTm-mOzO: listen to asg's suggestion. :) |
| 21:47.15 | FieldySnuts | kidding about the last part, honestly |
| 21:47.18 | asg | sdogi: they don't show themselves but they are here |
| 21:47.22 | pipeline | ixi: Never mind, it appears it's not possible to decompress a bzImage short of actually bootin git. |
| 21:47.27 | Phated | Like ninja-ops! |
| 21:47.28 | bowman | hi, if an NTFS partition has been set inactive using partition magic or whatever, is it possible to re-activate it with linux-based tools? |
| 21:47.30 | FieldySnuts | Phated: :D |
| 21:47.31 | asg | Phated: yes |
| 21:47.33 | sdogi | yeah it's just i have never seen someone becoming an OP here |
| 21:47.36 | Phated | FieldySnuts: *nibble* |
| 21:47.40 | FieldySnuts | :) |
| 21:47.52 | Phated | FieldySnuts: How are ya? |
| 21:47.55 | FieldySnuts | fine! |
| 21:47.58 | nailbiter | bowman: you can use fdisk to mark it active again. it's just a flag in the partition table. |
| 21:47.58 | asg | sdogi: 09:24 -!- mode/#debian [+o xk] by ChanServ |
| 21:47.59 | asg | 09:25 -!- mode/#debian [-o xk] by xk |
| 21:48.03 | rTm-mOzO | nailbiter i listened, i tried but i get a error =~ |
| 21:48.17 | sdogi | i bet OP's are those little wankers who talk crap to everyone so that if someone would get angry then the guy can become OP and kill out the victim :) |
| 21:48.25 | FieldySnuts | sdogi: some are |
| 21:48.33 | asg | sdogi: no, most ops here are fair unless unduly provoked |
| 21:48.38 | caphuso | and some are watching... |
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| 21:48.40 | nailbiter | rTm-mOzO: what's the error? can you paste it to #flood? |
| 21:48.45 | Phated | Mostof the ops are really nice people. |
| 21:48.47 | streuner | haha |
| 21:48.50 | Phated | FieldySnuts: Brilliant. |
| 21:48.52 | asg | nailbiter: ask him to paste it in English also |
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| 21:49.02 | Phated | Depending, of course, on your perception of nice. |
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| 21:49.05 | DrPete | I am on stable, but a prog needs php4.2.0, do I have to backport to get it? |
| 21:49.07 | ixi | pipeline: i guess i need strip some stuff first. I think I'll google it. |
| 21:49.14 | asg | DrPete: yes |
| 21:49.16 | FieldySnuts | Phated is nice when nibbled on |
| 21:49.21 | nailbiter | rTm-mOzO: and please paste the message in English. :) use "export LANG=en_US" to temporarily set your message language to English if necessary |
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| 21:49.25 | asg | DrPete: backports.org |
| 21:49.26 | rTm-mOzO | nailbiter an user have sent "mysql" init file.. i'll try to run now |
| 21:49.29 | si|vercat | I have a problem with outgoing mail.. using mutt, so the problem is probably in exim.. |
| 21:49.37 | Phated | FieldySnuts: But I'm not an op. :) |
| 21:49.37 | afaik | asg, now I can't seem to find the development package for courier-imap though |
| 21:49.43 | cakoose | Is there a way to tell webalizer *not* to do a DNS lookup if the log file already has the domain name in it? |
| 21:50.00 | asg | afaik: apt-cache search courier imap dev |
| 21:50.10 | bowman | nailbiter: my friend states that it didn't work using fdisk, however I suspect that she did it wrong :) thanks for the hint though :) |
| 21:50.10 | si|vercat | Internal mail works, and the mail sending says it works fine with no errors, but the mail just doesn't get anywhere |
| 21:50.12 | asg | afaik: wait, that isn't right |
| 21:50.17 | DrPete | asg: thanks |
| 21:50.21 | sdogi | look like virusmasters pc was screwed after testing a virus :) |
| 21:50.23 | asg | afaik: what do you mean by 'development package' ? |
| 21:50.26 | afaik | asg, yeah, it came up with nothing |
| 21:50.35 | asuffield | Phated: and your perception of 'most'. which ones have you been eating? |
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| 21:50.49 | Phated | asuffield: Wouldn't you love to know. :) |
| 21:50.51 | afaik | asg, I need whatever has rfc822.h in it |
| 21:50.59 | Phated | asuffield for one is very pleasant. |
| 21:51.34 | pder | are there any tools to limit the bandwidth of a network device. in other works slow down an ethernet card to only transfer at N KB/sec |
| 21:51.34 | asg | afaik: oh, apt-get install apt-file ; apt-file update ; apt-file search rfc822.h |
| 21:51.53 | sdogi | pder: iproute2 package if there is one |
| 21:51.59 | sdogi | it contains tc |
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| 21:52.03 | asuffield | pder: there's a full-blown traffic shaper |
| 21:52.07 | ixi | Sorry for offtopic, but what is "IANAL" abbr? |
| 21:52.14 | asg | grrr, some ice cream van is whistling dixie at me. The horror! |
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| 21:52.24 | asg | ixi: I am not a lawyer |
| 21:52.32 | ixi | asg: oh :) |
| 21:52.33 | asg | ixi: apt-get install bsdgames ; /usr/games/wtf is ianal |
| 21:52.36 | pder | asuffield: what is it called? |
| 21:52.36 | scarynetworkguy | asg: But do you play one on TV? |
| 21:52.48 | asg | scarynetworkguy: I just fluffle the interns |
| 21:52.50 | DrPete | asg: I cant see php in the list on backports.org :( strange :( |
| 21:52.55 | Hell-Man | News frome sweden: the swedish antipiracy company svenska antipiratbyrån.. have been hacked www.antipiratbyran.com www.antipiratbyran.org |
| 21:52.55 | asuffield | pder: it's part of the kernel. accessed via iptables and tc |
| 21:52.56 | scarynetworkguy | asg: heh. |
| 21:53.05 | asg | DrPete: /msg dpkg php5 (they have a site with backports for php4 as well) |
| 21:53.09 | pder | ahh ok thanks |
| 21:53.14 | asg | DrPete: do read the warnings in that factoid though. |
| 21:53.17 | nostrand | anyone running unstable here who could send me some files? |
| 21:53.41 | asuffield | nostrand: get your own damn files, there's *hundreds* of mirrors |
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| 21:53.46 | si|vercat | how do I reconfigure exim? I want it to use internal mail instead.. |
| 21:53.48 | DrPete | asg ok thanks |
| 21:53.59 | asg | si|vercat: eximconfig or dpkg-reconfigure exim4-config |
| 21:54.07 | nailbiter | cakoose: non-IP addresses are ignored by the webalizer resolver |
| 21:54.09 | nostrand | asuffield: shure? where? |
| 21:54.27 | asuffield | if you can't find a Debian mirror then you aren't looking |
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| 21:55.20 | nostrand | asuffield: ffs i can find a mirror. But the files I'm looking for aren't on the mirrors |
| 21:55.52 | PerfDave | nostrand: What files are you looking for? |
| 21:55.52 | asuffield | then they aren't anyplace else either |
| 21:56.27 | nostrand | PerfDave: library files, like "/lib/libwrap.so.0.7.6" |
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| 21:56.54 | nailbiter | nostrand: that one is in the 'libwrap0' package. |
| 21:56.58 | nostrand | PerfDave: I can't unpack the debs with dpkg |
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| 21:57.06 | Phated | libwrap, actually. |
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| 21:57.08 | jelly | asuffield: what files? |
| 21:57.09 | nailbiter | nostrand: you can also search for particular files through the form at packages.debian.org |
| 21:57.13 | PerfDave | nostrand: So unpack them with ar ;) |
| 21:57.15 | nostrand | nailbiter: I can't install packages right now |
| 21:57.24 | PerfDave | nostrand: Why can't you install packages? Are you running Debian? |
| 21:57.27 | jelly | argh |
| 21:57.27 | nostrand | PerfDave: ok, thanks |
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| 21:57.40 | nostrand | PerfDave: mi system crashed during an upgrade |
| 21:57.54 | PerfDave | nostrand: That shouldn't've caused your problem. Maybe you should install Sarge. |
| 21:58.05 | nailbiter | nostrand: if you don't have a copy of 'dpkg' there, just download the .deb file and unpack it with /bin/ar. |
| 21:58.05 | nostrand | PerfDave: libraries and dpkg got coruppt |
| 21:58.09 | jelly | nostrand: what files do you need? |
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| 21:58.18 | nostrand | nailbiter: tahnks :) |
| 21:58.21 | deadcat | whats a image viewer app that is similar to gqview but better? gqview is blowing on xinerama |
| 21:58.23 | asuffield | it is not possible for anything critical to the upgrade process to get corrupted when upgrading |
| 21:58.26 | asuffield | something else happened |
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| 21:58.38 | PerfDave | nostrand: There shouldn't be any way for that to happen, unless you fucked something else up. I think you should install Sarge :) |
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| 21:58.38 | nostrand | jelly: about 15 library files |
| 21:58.50 | nostrand | PerfDave: have happend with sarge too |
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| 21:58.57 | PerfDave | nostrand: Riiiiight. |
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| 21:59.04 | PerfDave | nostrand: I think you fucked something else up. |
| 21:59.05 | asuffield | the common cause is obvious: user error |
| 21:59.11 | nailbiter | deadcat: well, there's gwenview, which also integrates nicely into konqueror .. |
| 21:59.17 | jelly | nostrand: can you dpkg -S for them? Does dpkg or grep work? |
| 21:59.19 | ixi | asg: amazing! I'm talking about /usr/games/wtf :) thanks! |
| 21:59.26 | nostrand | PerfDave: i pulled the plug during an upgarde |
| 21:59.27 | deadcat | nailbiter: doh. no kde related. |
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| 21:59.42 | jelly | nostrand: heh. What filesystem? |
| 21:59.48 | nostrand | jelly: xfs |
| 21:59.49 | PerfDave | nostrand: As asuffield said, that shouldn't have caused you any problems. |
| 21:59.51 | nailbiter | deadcat: well, pornview is a GTK-based one |
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| 21:59.59 | PerfDave | nostrand: Even so, that was a fucking moronic thing to do ;) |
| 22:00.04 | deadcat | nailbiter: weak features |
| 22:00.10 | jelly | nostrand: thanks. So I know what not to install. ;-) |
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| 22:00.30 | nostrand | PerfDave: what else should i do, just sit and watch on a malfunctioning computer? |
| 22:00.45 | panda` | how could i specify my own email address in mutt or mail (1)? |
| 22:00.57 | deadcat | nailbiter: gqview centers fullscreen image in the middle of both monitor. thats dumb. and since my main is on the right and secondary is on the left, i only see half o fthe image on my right mon. |
| 22:01.30 | nailbiter | deadcat: are you a C programmer? :) |
| 22:01.37 | deadcat | nailbiter: no sir (= |
| 22:01.57 | nostrand | Il try with ar |
| 22:02.22 | jelly | panda`: ~/.muttrc, set from="Me My <blah@example.org>". For mail, there probably is a env. variable somewhere... rtfm? |
| 22:02.35 | PerfDave | nostrand: That's preferable to yanking the fucking power out, you fool. |
| 22:02.55 | nailbiter | nostrand: ar p thepackage.deb control.tar.gz | tar -C / -zvxf - |
| 22:02.57 | panda` | jelly, danke |
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| 22:03.07 | nostrand | nailbiter: thanks |
| 22:03.07 | nailbiter | nostrand: err -- i mean -- ar p thepackage.deb data.tar.gz | tar -C / -zvxf - |
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| 22:03.24 | amahbod | hey all |
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| 22:03.32 | amahbod | is there any non-command line way to burn a dvd? |
| 22:03.40 | amahbod | similar to nero in windows? |
| 22:03.41 | RichiH | amahbod: k3b |
| 22:03.57 | RichiH | amahbod: also, there is a linux version of nero burning rom |
| 22:03.59 | nostrand | PerfDave: for how long shoul you do that? 10h? twenty days? |
| 22:04.08 | PerfDave | nostrand: No, you should fix your damn problem. |
| 22:04.08 | amahbod | RichiH, really? |
| 22:04.11 | nailbiter | amahbod: well, there's Nautilus, the GNOME file manager. it has a simple built-in CD burning interface |
| 22:04.11 | panda` | jelly, is that form reply-to? set from="Me My <blah@example.org>" |
| 22:04.18 | PerfDave | nostrand: I think you're too stupid to run a computer. |
| 22:04.18 | nostrand | nailbiter: hehe |
| 22:04.24 | travisat | hmm just installed nerolinux, its groovy |
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| 22:04.36 | travisat | no more cdrecord for me |
| 22:04.38 | nostrand | PerfDave: I think you are just plain mean, nothing else. |
| 22:04.43 | panda` | jelly, i wanna reply-to too |
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| 22:05.04 | PerfDave | nostrand: *shrug* I'm trying to help you stop your problem from reocurring, and NOT PULLING THE FUCKING POWER CABLE OUT OF A LIVE SYSTEM is a good way to stop that. |
| 22:05.18 | nailbiter | amahbod: if you opt to use that, install the "dvd+rw-tools" and "nautilus-cd-burner" packages. |
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| 22:05.25 | jelly | panda`: no. that set From:, obviously. to set other headers, use my_hdr. |
| 22:05.48 | RichiH | amahbod: for the last three days, there has been. yes |
| 22:05.55 | nailbiter | nostrand: what kind of filesystem did you get the corrupted shared libraries on, by the way? ext2? |
| 22:05.57 | amahbod | RichiH, free? |
| 22:05.59 | jelly | PerfDave: hey, there are instances where pulling the plug is the only way out. |
| 22:06.04 | jelly | nailbiter: xfs |
| 22:06.06 | nostrand | nailbiter: xfs |
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| 22:06.13 | travisat | xfs? |
| 22:06.16 | PerfDave | jelly: And if you discover a situation like that, don't do the thing that got you into it again ;) |
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| 22:06.23 | RichiH | amahbod: binary-only. only people who have a licence for the windows version may use it |
| 22:06.31 | RichiH | amahbod: but k3b is really good |
| 22:06.46 | travisat | !insult streuner |
| 22:06.47 | dpkg | streuner is nothing but a dizzy-eyed half-mouthful of coughed-up rat retch |
| 22:06.51 | jelly | PerfDave: well I will because this laptop has lousy ACPI. <shrug> |
| 22:06.53 | spidna | just missed the topic on DVD burning, someone mention nerolinux can i run apt-get |
| 22:06.54 | PerfDave | Why would people use a propriatery binary-only CD burning app when there are about 8 million perfectly good Free ones. |
| 22:07.03 | amahbod | RichiH, where can i get the binary? |
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| 22:07.18 | amahbod | RichiH, apt-get? |
| 22:07.23 | nailbiter | spidna, amahbod: it's proprietary, and it's only available to people who bought the retail version of Nero for Windows. |
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| 22:07.24 | streuner | travisat: any reason why i deserved that? |
| 22:07.26 | cartel_ | hey all |
| 22:07.27 | Riva | hey, im a lil new on debian, was wondering if there was a command to download a file? |
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| 22:07.38 | cartel_ | is there a site that has all previous versions of packages? |
| 22:07.43 | spidna | nailbiter, thanks |
| 22:07.43 | travisat | streuner: no not really, besides yelling at PerfDave to not insult people |
| 22:07.45 | nailbiter | Riva: on the command line? 'wget http://foo.com/path' |
| 22:07.45 | amahbod | nailbiter, i have the real version |
| 22:07.47 | cartel_ | i need to downgrade to an older version |
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| 22:07.52 | amahbod | nailbiter, but where can i dl it! |
| 22:07.54 | jelly | Riva: wget? curl? lftp? |
| 22:07.54 | toresbe | Riva: wget is quite nice :) |
| 22:07.57 | travisat | PerfDave: if the binary-only app is better.... |
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| 22:08.03 | calin | what's the one word that means putting a space before punctuation? |
| 22:08.07 | calin | liek hello ! |
| 22:08.12 | RichiH | amahbod: ahead.de or something |
| 22:08.14 | Riva | nailbiter I get command not found |
| 22:08.14 | PerfDave | travisat: ...then submit feature requests for the Free one ;) |
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| 22:08.18 | toresbe | Riva: But you have to install it first, probably, as root do "apt-get install wget" |
| 22:08.22 | spidna | cartel, hope you don't mind how can i change the color of my user id to blue |
| 22:08.25 | RichiH | amblin: or do you mean k3b? that's via apt-get, of course |
| 22:08.33 | nailbiter | amahbod: http://nero.com/en/NeroLINUX.html |
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| 22:08.51 | cartel_ | spidna: i have colors turned off |
| 22:08.53 | travisat | PerfDave: I would, but I already had the one for windows |
| 22:08.53 | calin | nailbiter: you have to have a nero 6 serial before you can even /download/ it |
| 22:08.59 | javi_ | hi, how can I add ACL support to my cp / mv commands on debian sarge ? |
| 22:09.13 | nailbiter | calin: yes, and i really want to suggest people _not_ bother with Nero for Linux |
| 22:09.18 | javi_ | which package would I install for this ? |
| 22:09.26 | PerfDave | travisat: When I had windows, I used Nero. And now I use k3b, because it does exactly the same thing. |
| 22:09.31 | streuner | javi_: your FS have to support it... |
| 22:09.31 | calin | nailbiter: correct |
| 22:09.31 | javi_ | do you know about it? thank you! |
| 22:09.42 | javi_ | yes, it is ext3 |
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| 22:09.55 | travisat | PerfDave: I stay away from kde apps though. k3b does work good |
| 22:10.02 | PerfDave | travisat: That's your loss ;) |
| 22:10.06 | s3itz | what's wrong w/ it, nailbiter? |
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| 22:10.14 | nailbiter | s3itz: it's proprietary! that's what's wrong with it! |
| 22:10.14 | javi_ | i can use [gs]etfacl , but I can't cp / mv .. |
| 22:10.20 | myren | mad ot here: who were the philosophers taht said you had assume you could be anyone before you could decide how society should be built |
| 22:10.21 | henke | j #debian-devel |
| 22:10.22 | travisat | PerfDave: i don't need 100 mb of depencies for a little cd burner app |
| 22:10.27 | s3itz | heh |
| 22:10.29 | s3itz | but does it work well? |
| 22:10.33 | PerfDave | travisat: Neither do I, I just run KDE ;) |
| 22:10.40 | travisat | PerfDave: thats your losss |
| 22:10.44 | jelly | javi_: so you lose ACLs with cp/mv? |
| 22:10.54 | javi_ | yes, it is! |
| 22:10.56 | PerfDave | travisat: Nope, it means I can use k3b without whining about dependencies ;) |
| 22:11.28 | javi_ | I'm now on Sid, but I suppose on Sarge is idem |
| 22:11.35 | travisat | PerfDave: nope, it means you are using bloated bloatware, and you might as well be running windows.....except for the security linux issues thingymabobs |
| 22:11.49 | s3itz | *pfft* that's stupid |
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| 22:12.01 | s3itz | Guess you should uninstall almost every X app |
| 22:12.07 | s3itz | bceause of the huge dependancies ;) |
| 22:12.08 | valdyn_ | myren: india's society works fine w/o that assumption ) |
| 22:12.10 | s3itz | stick to cosole... |
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| 22:12.20 | spidna | i just ordered A3 toshiba laptop is anyone using it here, if so any issues i need to watch out for |
| 22:12.22 | travisat | s3itz: ion3, and urxvt for most applications |
| 22:12.31 | jelly | javi_: I think that star did keep ACLs, when I used it on Solaris, but don't know about Linux. Could be that fileutils don't even support them, or have to be recomplied with right options. |
| 22:12.40 | streuner | spidna: try /msg dpkg laptop |
| 22:12.46 | travisat | s3itz: and if I am feeling gooey I use fvwm |
| 22:12.56 | citral | who cares? |
| 22:13.03 | PerfDave | travisat: Nope, it means I'm running a desktop environment which Just Fucking Works, and runs perfectly smoothly on my system, and is Free. |
| 22:13.08 | nailbiter | spidna: there may be a HOWTO on your particular laptop at -- http://www.linux-laptop.net. check that first |
| 22:13.17 | myren | valdyn_: i was actually looking for something to argue AGAINST the caste based society |
| 22:13.24 | myren | somehow it does not seem the optimal solution to me |
| 22:13.31 | travisat | PerfDave: hmmm I guess if you like it like that |
| 22:13.40 | jclinton | politics again!? |
| 22:13.43 | travisat | PerfDave: linux is free!! |
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| 22:13.57 | s3itz | Most people don't invest in 2GB of RAM and 120+GB HDs to bitch about depedancies |
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| 22:14.11 | javi_ | I know , I can recompile and apply a patch, but I suppose to be a repository for it ... I preffer apt install to a make install ... |
| 22:14.18 | PerfDave | travisat: Yes, but Nero for Linux isn't ;p |
| 22:14.22 | travisat | s3itz: I don't have 2gb of ram and 120gb hd, so pphhbtbtb |
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| 22:14.30 | travisat | PerfDave: I eat my foot |
| 22:14.43 | rTm-mOzO | hi |
| 22:14.50 | hogmeat | i need device driver aic7xxxx to load when i boot, i looked into /etc/modules.conf, but seems that this file requires update-modules, which man page says is obsolete. what is the proper way to add this driver to the startup driver conf file? |
| 22:14.54 | rTm-mOzO | i have troubles to start mysqld |
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| 22:15.11 | rTm-mOzO | i call the mysql without parameter |
| 22:15.14 | nailbiter | myren: you need to look for reasons? :) start with the sheer injustice of the thing |
| 22:15.21 | rTm-mOzO | but his say this message: mysqld: unrecognized option `--key_buffer=16M' |
| 22:15.21 | streuner | hogmeat: surely that driver is already in the kernel itself |
| 22:15.28 | paco | hello |
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| 22:15.48 | hogmeat | streuner: im sure it is, but doesnt seem to be loading/activating |
| 22:15.50 | b14ck | Hey.. |
| 22:15.51 | jelly | myren: castes seem to work optimal if people do actually get born in the right one - ie, if you actually like the job to be inherited from your parents, and stuff. |
| 22:15.59 | jclinton | hogmeat, are you doing your own kernel or using the debian kernel images w/ initrd? |
| 22:16.01 | streuner | hogmeat: custom kernel? |
| 22:16.07 | hogmeat | streuner: i mean during the boot sequence |
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| 22:16.14 | b14ck | I'm about to get debian, was wondering whether to get the stable or unstable release? |
| 22:16.22 | b14ck | And also, why are there 11 install disks? |
| 22:16.22 | myren | X works well when X is working well |
| 22:16.23 | travisat | b14ck: testing, sarge |
| 22:16.23 | myren | right |
| 22:16.23 | hogmeat | jclinton: im using sarge, the debian kernel images |
| 22:16.26 | jelly | myren: but somehow I don't see that being the case today. |
| 22:16.31 | jclinton | b14ck, you want the latest and greatest or something nice and sturdy? |
| 22:16.37 | paco | i did a fresh install of sarge, and i cannot seem to get it to detect my ethernet card. |
| 22:16.40 | b14ck | Latest and greatest |
| 22:16.49 | travisat | paco: what type of card |
| 22:16.51 | b14ck | jclinton, do I need all 11 isntall disks? |
| 22:16.54 | streuner | hogmeat: use 'dmesg' |
| 22:16.55 | citral | latest != greatest |
| 22:16.58 | s3itz | Get a gentoo universal livecd + package CD |
| 22:17.01 | travisat | b14ck: do a net install |
| 22:17.02 | travisat | !di |
| 22:17.02 | dpkg | http://linuxmafia.com/faq/Debian/installers.html |
| 22:17.07 | b14ck | oo |
| 22:17.07 | citral | latest == not enough tested |
| 22:17.08 | b14ck | ok |
| 22:17.10 | travisat | !d-i |
| 22:17.10 | dpkg | from memory, d-i is the new installer for sarge (debian 3.1), at http://www.debian.org/devel/debian-installer/ or see debian-boot@lists.debian.org, but don't pester the d-i devs with unrelated questions, or see <debian-installer> |
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| 22:17.11 | paco | travisat, i don't even know what card...it is in my motherboard |
| 22:17.18 | panda` | jelly, i cant find the env var for mail(1) from man mail :( |
| 22:17.21 | cafuego | !greenhouse |
| 22:17.21 | dpkg | Gentoo Linux causes global warming! Needlessly recompiling everything uses power. Fossil fuels are used to generate that power. Hug a tree, use Debian! |
| 22:17.24 | travisat | paco: lspci |
| 22:17.29 | jclinton | hogmeat, well, i don't know specficially what command line it is but you're probably looking for a kernel boot command line option that will load the module |
| 22:17.31 | shakparl | dpkg: haha |
| 22:17.42 | green_earz | b14ck: testing version sarge and use its net install if i suits your need. dsl connection. its only 110 meg boot cd. |
| 22:17.42 | s3itz | cafuego, whoever wrote that doesn't know gentoo |
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| 22:17.49 | jclinton | hogmeat, the debian kernels use an initrd with all the kernel modules in it |
| 22:17.50 | s3itz | compiling everything is just 1 approach |
| 22:17.59 | cafuego | s3itz: Gentoo is a piece of shit. I've used it, I know. |
| 22:18.10 | hogmeat | jclinton: if i goto prompt and type insmod aic7xxx it brings my scsi disks online |
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| 22:18.12 | jclinton | hogmeat, after the kernel stars, the initrd takes over and starts trying to load modules and do autodetection |
| 22:18.17 | s3itz | *shrug* ok fanboy |
| 22:18.19 | green_earz | b14ck: http://cdimage.debian.org/pub/cdimage-testing/daily/i386/20050311/ sarge-i386-netinst.iso |
| 22:18.22 | doublehp | where to get tunconfig for Debian ? |
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| 22:18.29 | jclinton | hogmeat, so initrd isn't finding it |
| 22:18.31 | travisat | if you think installing debian is bad, bwahahaha try installing gentoo |
| 22:18.34 | cafuego | s3itz: Secondly, this is #debian, not #gentoo. |
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| 22:18.43 | s3itz | yeah well I'm open minded |
| 22:18.48 | jclinton | hogmeat, so you need to find the command that will tell initrd to explicitly load that driver |
| 22:18.55 | cafuego | s3itz: No, you're off-topic. |
| 22:19.06 | s3itz | and you keep the topic going |
| 22:19.11 | jclinton | hogmeat, that's as much as i know -- i don't know what command that would be |
| 22:19.11 | s3itz | so let it go |
| 22:19.22 | Topclass | hi does a gui logo come as part of kde or is that a seperate package that needs to be installed? |
| 22:19.24 | cafuego | s3itz: What topic? |
| 22:19.27 | khanman | actually installing gentoo wasnt bad..the docs are really good |
| 22:19.27 | hogmeat | jclinton: initrd loads before the kernel loads |
| 22:19.31 | Topclass | logon not logo :d |
| 22:19.31 | travisat | gui logo? |
| 22:19.32 | s3itz | I dunno... but you kept going w/ it |
| 22:19.38 | cafuego | s3itz: huh? |
| 22:19.41 | travisat | Topclass: kdm or gdm |
| 22:19.42 | paco | travisat, the ethernet controller is an intel corp. 82557/8/9 ethernet pro 100 |
| 22:19.45 | s3itz | *stop* |
| 22:19.49 | jclinton | hogmeat, nay |
| 22:19.52 | citral | this is #debian, so anything else sucks by default. |
| 22:20.00 | jelly | panda`: did you try adding headers with -a, and adding -f sendmail option? |
| 22:20.05 | Topclass | travisat: sorry what do you mean? |
| 22:20.06 | khanman | not true......debian does rock though |
| 22:20.09 | calin | !troutslap |
| 22:20.17 | cafuego | citral: Yes, including (but not limited to) dondelelcaro |
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| 22:20.22 | calin | !trout slap |
| 22:20.24 | jclinton | b14ck, still here? |
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| 22:20.28 | calin | ; = ; |
| 22:20.29 | travisat | paco: eepro100 should be the module |
| 22:20.32 | citral | cafuego: and me of course! |
| 22:20.43 | ali7288 | how do i make a symbolic link to a folder? |
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| 22:20.51 | cafuego | citral: You are so far beyond sucking, there isn't even a word for it! ;-) |
| 22:20.51 | xophEr | how do I install vlc? apt-get says "package vlc is not available. This may mean that the package is missing, has been obsoleted, or is only available from another source - E: Package vlc has no installation candidate. |
| 22:20.51 | Flimzy | ali7288: man ln |
| 22:20.53 | jelly | panda`: ... what are you trying to do anyway, send mail via script? |
| 22:20.59 | citral | hahaha |
| 22:21.01 | calin | alive: ln -s /path/to/folder /path/to/link |
| 22:21.11 | calin | msg to ali ^ |
| 22:21.12 | Topclass | hi i have installed kde but how do i start it? |
| 22:21.26 | panda` | jelly, i guess -a is the only way, -f is for mailbox here |
| 22:21.27 | green_earz | b14ck: if you got a dsl connection you only need the first sarge cd and again the rest can been downloaded over the net. http://ftp.acc.umu.se/pub/cd-images/debian-weekly/torrents/i386/ and a bittorent file |
| 22:21.28 | jclinton | Topclass, do you use KDM or GDM? |
| 22:21.30 | hogmeat | jclinton: whoops man initrd says special file /dev/initrd is a RAM disk that is initialized by the boot loader before the kernel is started, but i realize that's not the same thing as the initrd ram disk |
| 22:21.35 | paco | travisat, how do i install it? |
| 22:21.36 | citral | Topclass: you could install kdm, the graphical login manager of kde |
| 22:21.42 | calin | ali7288: ln -s /path/to/folder /path/to/link |
| 22:21.46 | Topclass | no idea i only just installed debian about 20 mins ago :D |
| 22:21.49 | ali7288 | what is the difference between hard and symbolic links? |
| 22:21.52 | panda` | jelly, i don't know how to add sendmail option, i gues it's after -- |
| 22:21.57 | calin | ali7288: I don't really know |
| 22:22.02 | travisat | paco: it should already be installed, do: sudo modprobe eepro100 |
| 22:22.03 | Flimzy | ali7288: man ln |
| 22:22.03 | calin | ali7288: man ln |
| 22:22.09 | ali7288 | i did already |
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| 22:22.14 | Flimzy | ali7288: stop being so helpless |
| 22:22.15 | paxmaster | <PROTECTED> |
| 22:22.16 | calin | then google |
| 22:22.27 | jclinton | hogmeat, the only other piece of information that i can give you is that the kernel will pass any thing on its command line that it doesn't understand over to initrd -- initrd can then interpret that |
| 22:22.33 | jelly | panda`: yes, the manual says mail [options] -- [sendmail options] |
| 22:22.44 | Riva | I hate to be a pest, but bzip is the unzip method right? if so whats the command to get this? apt-install bzip? |
| 22:22.45 | travisat | paco: if you don't have sudo su to root and modprobe |
| 22:22.46 | panda` | jelly, no, not sending mail by script, just the default address isn't my real address |
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| 22:22.49 | jclinton | hogmeat, so the command lines are stored in your grub conf file |
| 22:22.53 | citral | paxmaster: uh, can you rephrase that? |
| 22:23.01 | jclinton | hogmeat, which is where your changes will be made |
| 22:23.13 | calin | paxmaster: split |
| 22:23.18 | hogmeat | jclinton: i see what you mean if i add a kernel command to load aic7xxx then i would be set |
| 22:23.19 | jclinton | hogmeat, that's /boot/grub/grub.conf -- after you mount /boot |
| 22:23.29 | paxmaster | yea so i could save file in my disk |
| 22:23.37 | jclinton | hogmeat, right but i'm not sure what the syntax is -- you'll have to look that up |
| 22:23.37 | paxmaster | a disk hold 1.44 |
| 22:23.44 | citral | ahhhh |
| 22:23.46 | jclinton | hogmeat, it will be specific to debian's initrd |
| 22:23.47 | paco | travisat, it says "load /lib/modules/2.6.8-24-default/modules.dep |
| 22:23.47 | Flimzy | ali7288: A 'hard' link creates multiple filesystem entries for the same file. As a result, the exact same file apears to exist in multiple places on the HD. If you change one, all apparant intances of the file change. |
| 22:23.49 | calin | paxmaster: split will break it up for oyu |
| 22:23.54 | citral | paxmaster: what calin says |
| 22:23.59 | Flimzy | ali7288: The file will always exist until all references (hard links) to it are deleted. |
| 22:24.06 | ali7288 | thanks both |
| 22:24.10 | calin | np |
| 22:24.15 | citral | paxmaster: hint, it's called a floppy |
| 22:24.18 | Topclass | does anyone know of any guides on how to get a console install of debian setup to have kde and graphical logon? |
| 22:24.18 | ali7288 | everyone who helped me |
| 22:24.18 | Flimzy | ali7288: A symlink just creates a symbolic link to the file (which can span physical drives as well) |
| 22:24.29 | travisat | paco: so it loaded, or did you get an error |
| 22:24.30 | ali7288 | k:-) |
| 22:24.30 | paxmaster | so the commad is split |
| 22:24.36 | jelly | panda`: oh. if this is your private machine, perhaps you might add some rewriting rules in the MTA. |
| 22:24.42 | s3itz | Topclass, install kdm & kde |
| 22:24.43 | Flimzy | ali7288: In the case of a symlink, the only 'real' file is the original one. If the original is deleted, the symbolic link stays in place, but becomes 'stale' (i.e. points to something that's not there) |
| 22:24.47 | Riva | To install a command that doesn't exist, i use apt-install command? |
| 22:24.49 | paco | travisat, i received an error |
| 22:24.58 | citral | Riva: apt-get install |
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| 22:25.15 | panda` | jelly, no, i'm not root |
| 22:25.29 | citral | !moo |
| 22:25.30 | dpkg | mooooooo! I am cow, hear me moo, I weigh twice as much as you. I'm a cow, eating grass, methane gas comes out my ass. I'm a cow, you are too; join us all! Type apt-get moo. |
| 22:25.32 | OutCast3k | [moo] [OS] Windows XP Professional (5.1 - 2600) [Uptime] 1w 1d 22h 16m 54s [CPU] 1-Intel Pentium III (Cu), 805MHz, 256KB (19% Load) [RAM] Usage: 120/126MB (95.24%) [||||||||||] [Hard Drive] C:\ (3.84GB Free, 9.77GB Total), D:\ (0.23GB Free, 8.85GB Total) |
| 22:25.45 | s3itz | wtf? |
| 22:26.01 | citral | OutCast3k: turn off that fucking script, please |
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| 22:26.20 | Riva | citral doesn't seem to work |
| 22:26.21 | Topclass | is it just apt-get install kdm ??? |
| 22:26.24 | jelly | Nice, 8 days uptime on Windows. ;-) |
| 22:26.24 | travisat | paco: you probably need to recompile your kernel with eepro100 as a module |
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| 22:26.40 | Riva | apt-get install bzip doesn't seem to work |
| 22:26.45 | citral | Riva: that's about to be eventually very vague |
| 22:26.55 | jelly | Riva: bzip2 |
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| 22:26.57 | travisat | paco: wait |
| 22:27.10 | travisat | paco: try modprobe e100 |
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| 22:27.31 | alemao | how to print PDF files with LPR?!?! it only prints %PS-Adobe-3.0 %%Creator: xpdf/pdftops 3.00 %%LanguageLevel: 2 |
| 22:27.42 | citral | Riva: apt-setup, pick up a mirror; apt-get update; apt-get install bzip2 |
| 22:28.02 | jelly | Riva: you'll be better if you first search: apt-cache search <command>, then apt-get install <package>. |
| 22:28.09 | paco | travisat, nope..still an error |
| 22:28.29 | citral | alemao: apt-cache search print pdf... |
| 22:28.35 | travisat | paco: does lsmod work? |
| 22:28.40 | khanman | why not tell him about aptitude? |
| 22:28.44 | jelly | alemao: can you print any .ps? |
| 22:29.08 | khanman | isnt that supposed to be the newer debian front-end for apt? |
| 22:29.14 | hogmeat | how do i update my kernel to version 2.6-385? |
| 22:29.18 | javi_ | ok, "cp -p " and ACLs are manteined |
| 22:29.22 | paco | travisat, yes it does; i seems like it lists a lot of modules |
| 22:29.23 | javi_ | thank you! |
| 22:29.35 | hogmeat | whoops want kernel 2.6-686 |
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| 22:30.03 | citral | khanman: it's not supposed to anything, some people like it, some not... I use apt, so I give the command using apt |
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| 22:30.13 | alemao | jelly: no i cant print PS either!! I get the same message on the paper |
| 22:30.27 | travisat | paco: what does uname -a give you |
| 22:30.41 | citral | alemao: you probably need either apsfilter or magicfilter |
| 22:30.56 | khanman | citral, i believe that in the reference manual it lists aptitude as the "new prefered apt front-end" ...correct me if im wrong |
| 22:30.57 | paco | travisat, i did an apt-cache search eepro100, and it says "nictolls-pci - diagnostic tools for many pci ethernet cards" |
| 22:31.09 | calin | can i specify port in my /etc/hosts or is there another file? i want 192.168.2.14:5980 to be vnc-windows |
| 22:31.21 | Topclass | very very new to linux could someboy let me know how to install kdm i did apt-get install kdm but now im back at the prompt with no idea whatto do next |
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| 22:31.40 | travisat | paco: your card is supported by e100 and eepro100 modules. you need to get one of those loaded. they are installed by default in debian |
| 22:32.08 | alemao | citral: then installing those packgin is just ask to print the file? or i neet to put on that filter before? |
| 22:32.10 | Zenethian | Is there a way to optimize dpkg's databases? Over time, it seems like dpkg gets stuck longer and longer reading the installed file database.. |
| 22:32.18 | Zenethian | currently it takes over 3 seconds |
| 22:32.24 | paco | is thee any other way to load them aside from re-compiling my kernel? |
| 22:32.30 | travisat | Zenethian: apt-get clean |
| 22:32.33 | alemao | citral: i think i got the way nevermind |
| 22:32.35 | jclinton | hogmeat, as far as i can tell, you specify the modules you want to load in /etc/mkinitrd/modules and it keeps that configuration forever |
| 22:32.44 | khanman | citral, im not trying to be a pain in the arse here..im just curious as why i never hear people in this channel recommend aptitude while the main docs seem to |
| 22:32.51 | citral | alemao: use apt, or aptitude or whatever, apt-cache show magicfilter |
| 22:33.05 | jclinton | hogmeat, after you do that, you run mkinitrd -o <your output file in /boot> <the kernel version number> |
| 22:33.13 | jclinton | hogmeat, and that's it |
| 22:33.14 | citral | khanman: some people here recommend it... |
| 22:33.16 | pipeline | khanman: Folks don't seem to like aptitude much. I usually recommend synaptic. |
| 22:33.24 | hogmeat | jclinton: thanks trying... |
| 22:33.47 | citral | khanman: in fact I don't mind, use whatever fits your needs |
| 22:33.47 | travisat | khanman: you might as well use apt-cache search in the command line, otherwise use synaptic |
| 22:34.09 | jelly | aptitude is a nice replacement for apt-get and apt-cache, without bothering to think which one to use. |
| 22:34.11 | khanman | pipeline, actually i prefer synaptic's interface..but its unclear from the docs as to whether it tracks dependancies like aptitude does |
| 22:34.36 | calin | can i specify port in my /etc/hosts or is there another file? i want 192.168.2.14:5980 to be vnc-windows |
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| 22:34.57 | jclinton | calin, that's the /etc/services file that you want |
| 22:35.00 | khanman | travisat, why is that better than using the search in aptitude? cant you regex searches in aptitude? dont think synaptic does...or am i wrong? |
| 22:35.06 | calin | jclinton: thank you very much |
| 22:35.20 | travisat | khanman: just a personal preference |
| 22:35.46 | raf256 | http://www.usb.org/developers/vendor/ |
| 22:35.50 | khanman | travisat, understoond..but can you regex searches in synaptic? if so id like to know :) |
| 22:36.00 | travisat | khanman: I doubt it |
| 22:36.02 | raf256 | so a fee of 1500 USD is a _must_ if I want to sell USB based device? |
| 22:36.17 | travisat | khanman: although you can make custom filters |
| 22:36.47 | Biovore | raf256: unfortionly true.. |
| 22:36.57 | paco | travisat, what's the easisest way to re-compile a kernel. |
| 22:36.58 | travisat | paco: you should be able to load them, what is the error when you try to modrope it |
| 22:37.10 | travisat | paco: you shouldn't have to recompile |
| 22:37.34 | travisat | err modprobe it |
| 22:38.15 | hogmeat | jclinton: well ran mkinitrd to rebuild the initrd, so rebooting to try, thanks |
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| 22:38.24 | paco | travisat, the error says FATAL: Could not load /lib/modules/2.6.8-24-default/modules.dep |
| 22:38.41 | travisat | paco: do you have the default 2.6.8 kernel installed? |
| 22:38.44 | raf256 | and this AVR / other USB chips mentioned above, |
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| 22:38.53 | jelly | depmod -a ? |
| 22:39.00 | raf256 | do not have own USB-ID, I must get own USB-ID for a device that is _using_ this chip? |
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| 22:39.24 | paco | travisat, yes....2.6.8-24-default |
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| 22:39.52 | Zenethian | travisat: didn't work. runs just as slow. |
| 22:40.17 | paco | travisat, is it a problem that i have the i686, even though i have a old machine? |
| 22:40.23 | travisat | paco: what tyoe of processor for your computer |
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| 22:40.43 | paco | cyrix 450mHz |
| 22:40.43 | panda` | jelly, how can I send out emails with mutt or mail(1) only? ie. they connect to remote sendmail like thunderbird does |
| 22:40.58 | paco | travisat, celeron 450 mHz |
| 22:41.18 | travisat | paco: 686 should work, |
| 22:41.44 | jelly | panda`: tough call. You need to have some sort of MTA with default mutt. |
| 22:42.13 | travisat | paco: do apt-get install kernel-image-2.6.8-2-686, and then load with this new kernel |
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| 22:42.58 | jelly | panda`: There should be some sort of MTA installed if there is mutt and mail, does it not work? |
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| 22:43.31 | paco | travisat, once i type that command (apt-get install), how do i then load the module? |
| 22:43.40 | Riva | i can't see var/ or any of the other directories |
| 22:43.53 | panda` | jelly, i don't want a MTA running, 'cos I only send out emails occasionally, and i need tls coonection |
| 22:44.20 | travisat | paco: it will install the new kernel. shutdown, boot into the new kernel and we will go from there |
| 22:44.25 | jelly | panda`: who said running? Installed is another thing. |
| 22:44.36 | panda` | jelly, not deamon |
| 22:44.39 | jelly | panda`: take a look at ssmtp. |
| 22:44.54 | panda` | jelly, ssmtp doesn't support tls |
| 22:45.03 | asg | panda`: the default mta, exim, does not require it to be listening on any port. |
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| 22:45.11 | jelly | panda`: exim works fine here. |
| 22:45.26 | panda` | asg, exim is a damon |
| 22:45.28 | jelly | panda`: but might be a problem of you don't have root. |
| 22:45.40 | jelly | panda`: no it's not. ;-) |
| 22:45.42 | panda` | jelly, i'm root only my destkop |
| 22:45.48 | asg | panda`: it has that capability but it is also a mda, injection frontend, and other things |
| 22:45.56 | Riva | I am logined as root , but all i can see and goto are directories i make or download, anyone know how to solve this? |
| 22:46.24 | travisat | you mean break out of chroot? |
| 22:46.24 | panda` | asg, i only send emails occasionally, so i don't want a damon |
| 22:46.27 | paco | travisat,i typed the command for loading the kernel image, and the error i got was that it failed to fecth some archives, and it also mentions a failure to reach the http://mirrors.kernel site |
| 22:46.44 | jelly | Riva: use "cd" to change the working directory, like "cd /"? (?) |
| 22:46.45 | panda` | jelly, i only send emails occasionally, so i don't want a damon. i only want it run when i'm sending emails |
| 22:46.49 | travisat | paco: oops, no net so no apt-get |
| 22:46.50 | asg | panda`: then don't have exim start. It will still deliver locally injected mail provided you have a cron job to do the queue runner process. |
| 22:46.54 | Riva | jelly i did |
| 22:47.05 | Riva | but the thing is i can't goto or view anything other than directories i make |
| 22:47.27 | paco | travisat, yep..no net equals a very unproductive day. |
| 22:47.27 | asg | panda`: if you have your heart set on using a cli mua that has mta functionality, there are experimental patches for mutt on freshmeat.net. Have fun. |
| 22:47.40 | panda` | asg, i want mails sent out immediately |
| 22:47.44 | caphuso | or get mutt-ng |
| 22:48.02 | asg | panda`: then run an mta that doesn't listen on a port. What does it matter? |
| 22:48.15 | green_earz | Riva: cd / then cd var |
| 22:48.28 | asg | panda`: all of them, sendmail included, can do that. |
| 22:48.29 | travisat | paco: well something is wrong with your kernel or modules install. |
| 22:48.37 | travisat | I think |
| 22:48.37 | panda` | asg, what do you mean by run an mta that doesn't listen on a port? |
| 22:48.46 | Riva | Thank you |
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| 22:49.08 | panda` | asg, i want to connect to a remote smtp server to send emails and by tls connection |
| 22:49.09 | asg | panda`: an mta is composed of a lot of functionality. the smtpd part of an mta is only a small part. Local mail is injected using a sendmail compatible program. |
| 22:49.12 | jelly | panda`: like... no daemon running? Like an exim started from inetd, but no inetd? |
| 22:49.14 | paco | travisat,perhaps i should re-install |
| 22:49.15 | travisat | paco: your card is supposedly supported right out of the box |
| 22:49.25 | travisat | paco: maybe, did you just install debian |
| 22:49.28 | green_earz | Riva: then when you are in var use ls to see the dir |
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| 22:49.35 | paco | yes i did |
| 22:49.45 | travisat | paco: did you encounter any errors |
| 22:49.46 | panda` | jelly, inetd is aemon |
| 22:49.49 | panda` | jelly, inetd is Daemon |
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| 22:49.58 | paco | travisat, yes |
| 22:50.02 | travisat | what type |
| 22:50.14 | asg | panda`: what is your aversion to daemons? |
| 22:50.16 | jelly | panda`: I think of it as a meta-daemon. |
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| 22:50.26 | cottus | hi guys, how do i invoke a service again? something like /etc/init.d/servicename ? |
| 22:50.34 | panda` | asg, i want the thunderbird way |
| 22:50.36 | asg | cottus: /etc/init.d/servicename start |
| 22:50.43 | asg | panda`: then fucking use thunderbird |
| 22:50.44 | PerfDave | cottus: man invoke-rc.d |
| 22:50.47 | panda` | asg, i want the thunderbird/outlook way |
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| 22:50.53 | asg | panda`: use Windows |
| 22:50.59 | cottus | thanks PerfDave |
| 22:51.03 | panda` | asg, i want the thunderbird/outlook way, but with mutt or maiil(1) |
| 22:51.04 | raf256 | how can I easyly distribute my C++ program (without source)? |
| 22:51.04 | travisat | paco: did you use the netinstall |
| 22:51.09 | panda` | asg, f*ck |
| 22:51.11 | raf256 | in example I would like to make a .deb of it |
| 22:51.14 | PerfDave | raf256: Stick the binary on a website? |
| 22:51.15 | asg | panda`: then use mutt-ng or the patches from freshmeat. |
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| 22:51.27 | panda` | asg mutt-ng isn't in sid |
| 22:51.27 | raf256 | PerfDave: but so that Debian users could easly install it |
| 22:51.31 | jelly | panda`: what is the problem with using exim? |
| 22:51.33 | PerfDave | raf256: If you want to make a deb of it, then read the new maintainer's guide on the Debian website |
| 22:51.35 | asg | panda`: then compile it from source |
| 22:51.36 | paco | travisat, yes i did |
| 22:51.40 | raf256 | PerfDave: thnx |
| 22:51.46 | travisat | paco: did you md5sum it |
| 22:51.48 | asg | panda`: this is Unix, not breastfeeding |
| 22:51.51 | panda` | jelly, i want the thunderbird/outlook way(no daemon) , but with mutt or maiil(1) |
| 22:52.00 | PerfDave | raf256: If you're not distributing source, though, you can't have it in the main Debian repository, so it's still going to be hassle. |
| 22:52.13 | raf256 | PerfDave: its a commercial game |
| 22:52.18 | paco | travisat, md5sum? what is that? |
| 22:52.31 | travisat | paco: check to make sure the download was correct |
| 22:52.32 | raf256 | PerfDave: for win32, but I wanted to make native linux version on my own |
| 22:52.33 | panda` | asg, no |
| 22:52.35 | PerfDave | raf256: Well, if it's not DSFG-free, it can't go into the main Debian repository. |
| 22:52.40 | jelly | panda`: mutt and mail don't provide that functionality. The only way to have it with mutt or mail is to implement it in source. |
| 22:52.49 | travisat | paco: what were the errors you encountered |
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| 22:53.00 | raf256 | PerfDave: I know :) I wanted to put also .deb and perhaps .rpm on the win32 game CD, if soume Linux would be interested |
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| 22:53.09 | panda` | jelly, then better there's something like ssmtp but with tls support |
| 22:53.12 | asg | panda`: then I suggest you just do 'telnet <mta> 25' and speak the protocol |
| 22:53.19 | jelly | panda`: exim? :-) |
| 22:53.29 | paco | travisat, no x-server for windows x |
| 22:53.34 | PerfDave | raf256: If you're distributing, you probably just want an installer shellscript which sticks the software in /usr/local, that's what pretty much all extant Linux games do. |
| 22:53.41 | panda` | jelly, then better there's something like ssmtp(no daemon) but with tls support |
| 22:53.43 | jelly | panda`: it does not run when you don't send any mail. |
| 22:53.49 | travisat | paco: is that all? |
| 22:53.50 | PerfDave | panda`: You can configure exim with TLS support. |
| 22:53.51 | asg | panda`: exim has that |
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| 22:53.55 | panda` | jelly, it run |
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| 22:54.04 | panda` | jelly, you'll see it in ps |
| 22:54.09 | paco | travisat, yes |
| 22:54.10 | asg | panda`: no, you won't |
| 22:54.11 | jelly | panda`: I don't. |
| 22:54.18 | panda` | PerfDave, what the fck, i said no DAEMON |
| 22:54.24 | jelly | <PROTECTED> |
| 22:54.29 | travisat | paco: hmm maybe you should just reinstall |
| 22:54.31 | jelly | see, there's none. |
| 22:54.41 | asg | panda`: I tell you what, buy the exim oreilly book or the cambridge press book for exim4 and read it. |
| 22:54.43 | PerfDave | panda`: Why not just configure your MTA properly and get the hell on with your life? |
| 22:54.53 | jelly | panda`: that's not a daemon, exim is a mail sending utility. |
| 22:55.03 | travisat | paco: this time check the desktop enviroment and don't do anything custom |
| 22:55.21 | panda` | PerfDave, what the fck, i said i'm in adsl |
| 22:55.27 | jelly | panda`: it is run from cron every now and then, and if you want it that way, you can disable it. |
| 22:55.33 | raf256 | I wonder, |
| 22:55.37 | PerfDave | panda`: I'm on ADSL too. What's the problem? |
| 22:55.49 | raf256 | how big are chances of finding a distributor for for-linux PC game |
| 22:55.56 | asg | panda`: for more references, look at postfix, which implements a modular mta architecture, and note that you can have local -> remote mail injection (which is what you want) without anything listening on any port. |
| 22:55.56 | panda` | jelly, NO DAEMON, no cron |
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| 22:56.04 | raf256 | some small & cheap game (say around 10 usd?) |
| 22:56.06 | asg | *PLONK* |
| 22:56.12 | panda` | PerfDave, i want to send out by fixed IP |
| 22:56.15 | paco | travisat, i re-booted, and i pinged google, and it wont stop pinging |
| 22:56.19 | PerfDave | panda`: You can do that with exim. |
| 22:56.24 | jelly | panda`: what is the exact feature of daemons that you dislike? |
| 22:56.36 | travisat | paco: ctrl^c |
| 22:56.40 | panda` | asg what's local -> remote mail injection |
| 22:56.47 | PerfDave | raf256: talk to directhex, he knows more about the Linux game scene. |
| 22:56.48 | asg | panda`: what you are trying to do |
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| 22:57.12 | panda` | PerfDave, what the f*ck, i said no DAEMON, NO exim, no cron |
| 22:57.14 | alemao | to make an HP print in economic way with LPR what to do? |
| 22:57.15 | travisat | paco so its working? |
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| 22:57.36 | asg | PerfDave: I'd give up |
| 22:57.36 | PerfDave | panda`: And you've been told how to do that. Use third-party source patches for mutt, or use Thunderbird. |
| 22:57.51 | PerfDave | panda`: You haven't given any good reason not to use exim, you've just shown that you don't understand how an MTA works. |
| 22:57.52 | paco | travisat, okay...i got it to stop pinging, BUT, NOW, i can't start gnome |
| 22:57.56 | jelly | asg: no, we're trying to be _helpful_ :-) |
| 22:58.02 | PerfDave | panda`: /msg dpkg mail tutorial. |
| 22:58.03 | PerfDave | panda`: /msg dpkg mail tutorial |
| 22:58.04 | asg | jelly: we've been helpful |
| 22:58.06 | travisat | paco: why not |
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| 22:58.10 | croddy | anyone getting a lot of kernel OOPS'es with today's 2.6.10-1-k7 ? |
| 22:58.15 | nostrand | jelly: thank you, now all my libraries ar working :) |
| 22:58.20 | jepel_tailweaver | hmm. Is there a package tracking website for Debian Unstable? I'm having a bit of trouble finding my way around debian.org |
| 22:58.23 | panda` | ok ok, i'll try exim asg PerfDave jelly :) |
| 22:58.23 | asg | jelly: we've indicated at least 5 ways to provide the result he wants. |
| 22:58.40 | paco | travisat, i go startx, and it gives me 'fatal server error: failed to initialize core devices" |
| 22:58.41 | PerfDave | jepel_tailweaver: What do you mean by "package tracking"? |
| 22:58.42 | asg | jepel_tailweaver: packages.debian.org bugs.debian.org |
| 22:58.46 | jepel_tailweaver | ah, here we go |
| 22:58.50 | PerfDave | panda`: /msg dpkg troubleshooting x |
| 22:58.55 | travisat | paco: apt-get install x-system-core |
| 22:59.05 | PerfDave | panda`: Oops, sorry, I meant paco |
| 22:59.11 | panda` | PerfDave, np ;) |
| 22:59.19 | jepel_tailweaver | I'm just trying to see if the sarge stuff is new enough for my liking before I bother trashing my temp freebsd and installing it |
| 22:59.37 | foureyes779 | <PROTECTED> |
| 22:59.39 | jelly | panda`: ok, as long as I don't have to tell you to try ssmtp + stunnel. ... no daemon, no exim, no cron. :-) |
| 22:59.43 | PerfDave | jepel_tailweaver: Sarge is not unstable, Sarge is testing. If you want to see what versions of packages are available, use http://packages.debian.org/ |
| 23:00.05 | jelly | no wife, no horse, no moustache. |
| 23:00.11 | paco | travisat, it says E:Couldnt find package x-system-core |
| 23:00.13 | jepel_tailweaver | ok, I'm confused. Stable, unstable, testing / woody, sarge, sid? |
| 23:00.19 | mathieu_ | are there any utilities that mix left/right sound channels (alsa) to make the output more suitable for headphones? |
| 23:00.27 | PerfDave | jepel_tailweaver: If you want an overview of packages, http://distrowatch.com/table.php?distribution=debian has some slightly out of date information. |
| 23:00.29 | travisat | paco: apt-get install x-window-system-core |
| 23:00.32 | panda` | jelly, ssmtp+tsocks is this ok too? |
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| 23:00.41 | doublehp | any one can remind how to load an ISA driver ? "modprobe ne2 io=240,irq=9" complains about io ... |
| 23:00.44 | travisat | paco: I left out the window |
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| 23:00.47 | jepel_tailweaver | PerfDave, I'm on packages.debian.org right now |
| 23:00.49 | green_earz | jepel_tailweaver: http://www.debian.org/distrib/packages.en-gb.html#search_packages |
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| 23:00.54 | jelly | panda`: never tried it. |
| 23:00.56 | asg | doublehp: try io=0x240 |
| 23:01.02 | PerfDave | jepel_tailweaver: Currently, Woody is the stable releease, and Sarge is the testing release. When Sarge goes stable, Etch will be the testing release. Sid is always the unstable release. |
| 23:01.08 | doublehp | asg: same |
| 23:01.15 | asg | doublehp: dunno then, sorry. |
| 23:01.25 | jepel_tailweaver | PerfDave, ok |
| 23:01.27 | doublehp | asg: s/,/ / |
| 23:01.30 | paco | travisat, it says it was already the newest version |
| 23:01.31 | c4_ | err... i've installed xorg and now opera cant find the fonst, what can i do? |
| 23:01.34 | jepel_tailweaver | PerfDave, sorry, I got testing and unstable mixed up |
| 23:01.36 | asg | doublehp: did you try removing the ','? |
| 23:01.38 | doublehp | sag no commas ... spaces |
| 23:01.55 | PerfDave | jepel_tailweaver: No worries, it's a simple thing to confuse for a newcomer. |
| 23:02.03 | paco | travisat, i am doing the apt-get update/upgrade |
| 23:02.16 | PerfDave | c4_: xorg is not in Debian, you're probably on your own. |
| 23:02.21 | jepel_tailweaver | PerfDave, The very first time I tried Debian was with stable. I still have flashbacks to that... |
| 23:02.24 | travisat | paco: you might need to reconfigure it |
| 23:02.38 | digital__ | gn :) |
| 23:02.41 | PerfDave | jepel_tailweaver: The first time I tried Debian was when potato was stable. I still run stable on all my servers. |
| 23:02.50 | PerfDave | Hell, I run stable on quite a few desktops too. |
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| 23:03.03 | jepel_tailweaver | PerfDave, The distro I ran the longest was Gentoo. I'm addicted to new packages |
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| 23:03.08 | pelujl | hello, anywhere tell me what program similar Direct connect? |
| 23:03.08 | jelly | PerfDave: we still run _potato_ on some servers. |
| 23:03.09 | c4_ | PerfDave: GRrr |
| 23:03.10 | conreyt | jepel_tailweaver: I run stable on servers and unstable or testing for workstations...... |
| 23:03.27 | jepel_tailweaver | conreyt, how unstable is unstable? |
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| 23:03.39 | jelly | jepel_tailweaver: it's quite stable. |
| 23:03.41 | asg | jepel_tailweaver: /msg dpkg sid faq (see the horrid bugs section for a sample) |
| 23:03.44 | conreyt | more stable then gentoo :) |
| 23:03.46 | jepel_tailweaver | hehe |
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| 23:03.47 | xnotte | anyone knows the movie of NOVELL where 3 addicted microsofts workers talk like in AA's ?! |
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| 23:05.09 | jepel_tailweaver | asg, the horrid bug was funny |
| 23:05.20 | asg | jepel_tailweaver: there have been several and they weren't funny at the time |
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| 23:05.39 | asg | jepel_tailweaver: removing a copy of linux gazette should never also cause 'rm -Rf /' to happen |
| 23:05.45 | borius | so, can I plug my webzine in here? it's about coding and stuff... |
| 23:05.53 | asg | borius: no |
| 23:05.54 | dafresh | anyone know a good tools for get stats from apache logs ? |
| 23:06.02 | asg | dafresh: webalizer |
| 23:06.07 | borius | asg: uh ok |
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| 23:06.09 | netgod | dafresh: analog |
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| 23:06.14 | cafuego | borius: This is #debian, not #classifieds |
| 23:06.17 | dafresh | good and cute ;) |
| 23:06.19 | asg | dafresh: awstats is decent too |
| 23:06.20 | netgod | and many others |
| 23:06.24 | conreyt | well said lol |
| 23:06.45 | borius | cafuego: well just wanted to make people aware of something they might like... not like I make any money |
| 23:06.55 | conreyt | PerfDave: thx again for the help.. |
| 23:06.56 | asg | borius: you are, of course, welcome to plug it in your irc /quit message. |
| 23:07.02 | borius | asg: interesting |
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| 23:07.08 | dafresh | asg: oki thx |
| 23:07.14 | asg | dafresh: you're welcome |
| 23:07.20 | cafuego | borius: Be that as it may, if we let all 700 users spam the channel with off-topic URLs we'd never get any help in. Gotta drw the line somewhere. |
| 23:07.29 | borius | cafuego: yeah I understand |
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| 23:08.02 | BleSS | somebody knows some project about autoconfigure a kernel without use modules? |
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| 23:08.11 | cafuego | borius: Mind you, you could ask ME if I had see http://foo at all... |
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| 23:08.45 | borius | cafuego: well, my good sir, have you by any chance had a look at this url before: http://eurohacker.mine.nu/issue1/ |
| 23:09.01 | cafuego | borius: Actually, I haven't Let me have a look.. |
| 23:09.03 | xnotte | anyone knows the movie of NOVELL where 3 addicted microsofts workers talk like in AA's ?! |
| 23:09.23 | borius | cafuego: great, tell me if you like it :) |
| 23:09.31 | cafuego | borius: My wife would be proud. |
| 23:09.46 | dafresh | and a tools for stats the hdd use ? |
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| 23:10.11 | dafresh | not the free space but the access ans load |
| 23:10.17 | dafresh | s/ans/and |
| 23:10.32 | paco | travisat, i decided to try to reconfigure x..but the problem is that i dont know my video card manufacturer..and i looked on the net, and no dicde |
| 23:11.12 | travisat | paco: what is your vidcard |
| 23:11.18 | netgod | paco: why not ask the card itself |
| 23:11.21 | cafuego | paco: 'lspci' will tell you. |
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| 23:12.01 | shingouz | paco: there is also the ancient method of cracking open your computer and visually checking what you have |
| 23:12.13 | borius | cafuego: there's an interview with ESR that might appeal to some people... |
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| 23:13.41 | paco | shingouz, i can't seem to open this laptop..i have tried many times |
| 23:14.23 | travisat | paco: what does lspci give you |
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| 23:14.45 | shingouz | paco: did you already check the www.linux-laptop.net, there's usually some pretty good pointers |
| 23:14.57 | croddy | paco you can also use google to dicsover the specifications of your laptop model |
| 23:15.16 | paco | travisat, well, it gave me informarion about my video card, and it is silicon motion |
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| 23:15.33 | asg | paco: tuxmobile.org is another resource that might provide information |
| 23:15.45 | paco | travisat,ok |
| 23:15.48 | shingouz | paco: omnibook? |
| 23:16.04 | nevyn | a series of hp laptops |
| 23:16.06 | travisat | paco: that card should work with linux |
| 23:16.20 | cafuego | nevyn: botsnack |
| 23:16.30 | shingouz | heh |
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| 23:16.45 | nevyn | paster: they're crap but. they work |
| 23:16.57 | nevyn | s/paster/paco/ |
| 23:17.09 | nevyn | paco: X2 or X3? |
| 23:17.19 | shingouz | paco: silicon motions at least on omnibooks work with the xfree 4.x versions, cannot remember off hand what driver to use though |
| 23:17.29 | travisat | siliconmotion |
| 23:17.40 | paco | nvyn, x2? what is that? |
| 23:17.46 | xnotte | anyone knows the movie of NOVELL where 3 addicted microsofts workers talk like in AA's ?! |
| 23:18.04 | shingouz | xnotte: apparently not |
| 23:18.14 | nevyn | paco: a model of omnibook they're a blue plastic shell with jbl speakers |
| 23:18.25 | borius | cafuego: did you like it? :) |
| 23:18.57 | cafuego | borius: To be honest, I just looked the front page... |
| 23:18.58 | Phated | xnotte: http://linux.meetup.com/5/boards/view/viewthread?thread=1227413 |
| 23:18.58 | shingouz | borius: doesn't look too bad. nice of you *not* to use flash :) |
| 23:19.07 | xnotte | Phated, thx |
| 23:19.10 | borius | shingouz: hell yeah, I hate that shit |
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| 23:19.15 | paco | nevyn, i have a ibm thinkpad |
| 23:19.17 | cafuego | Phated: What's the time? |
| 23:19.21 | nevyn | oh. |
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| 23:19.24 | borius | cafuego: ah well, it's a nice looking one :) |
| 23:19.25 | Phated | cafuego: 7:21 am. |
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| 23:19.38 | asg | Phated: time for school soon then |
| 23:19.41 | cafuego | Phated: Cool, thanks. |
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| 23:19.47 | Phated | asg: HOLIDAYYY |
| 23:19.48 | asuffield | Phated: your clock's wrong |
| 23:19.50 | nevyn | paco: my bad. |
| 23:19.51 | Phated | asuffield: Until May. |
| 23:19.53 | asuffield | it's just coming up on :20 |
| 23:19.57 | asg | Phated: ah, even better |
| 23:19.59 | cafuego | Time to give KK a ring roon then |
| 23:20.03 | asuffield | that's an entire minute out |
| 23:20.05 | Phated | asg: Yeah. |
| 23:20.15 | travisat | 18:20 |
| 23:20.35 | cafuego | 10:21 |
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| 23:20.49 | travisat | cafuego: your clock is a minute off |
| 23:20.49 | FallOnMe | 10am? |
| 23:20.52 | cafuego | You people have *got* to stop living in the past |
| 23:20.53 | shingouz | paco: did you man siliconmotion already? |
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| 23:21.46 | cafuego | travisat: Atually, it was 33 seconds off, not a minute. |
| 23:21.46 | paco | shingouz, yes, and x still wont load |
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| 23:22.01 | shingouz | paco: what errors you get out of it? |
| 23:22.04 | travisat | cafuego: why don't you use ntpdate? |
| 23:22.04 | Phated | asuffield: Shush you. |
| 23:22.39 | asuffield | don't any of you people run ntpd? |
| 23:22.54 | travisat | asuffield: I do |
| 23:22.56 | paco | shingouz, failed to iitialize core devices... |
| 23:23.05 | Phated | Just installed it. |
| 23:23.06 | cafuego | travisat: I thought it ran every hour, but apparenly it didn't. |
| 23:23.22 | shingouz | paco: all of them? |
| 23:23.22 | asuffield | cafuego: ntpd runs continually, but it won't do anything unless it's convinced |
| 23:23.26 | travisat | cafuego: unless you mod the cron it only runs when you boot |
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| 23:23.32 | cafuego | Mind you, this means a 33sec skew over 89 days, which isn't bad. |
| 23:23.35 | borius | shingouz: well, have fun reading the zine, and if you wanna know more I hang in #politics |
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| 23:23.45 | cafuego | travisat: Yeah, justa dded it to cron |
| 23:23.48 | asuffield | cafuego: ah, that's definiely a job for ntpd |
| 23:24.01 | asuffield | it'll rescale your system clock to keep accurate time |
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| 23:24.13 | cafuego | asuffield: nah, I'll just run ntpdate from cron. |
| 23:24.16 | cafuego | asuffield: Saves ram. |
| 23:24.36 | asuffield | cafuego: that gives regular jumps in the passage of time |
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| 23:24.51 | travisat | ntpd works just as good, |
| 23:25.03 | citral | as a cat? |
| 23:25.07 | paco | shingouz: xf86Open Serial : cannot open device /dev/psaux - configured mouse:cannot open input device - preinit failed for inout device "Configured Mouse" |
| 23:25.08 | cafuego | asuffield: That's not something I'm particularly worried about. |
| 23:25.30 | scotth | I'm setting up a new ldap server and I'm curious about a config choice I have. I have 3 drives of equal capacity and I'm going to be using back_bdb, I'm wondering if I should put both the db and logs on a raid 5 or if I should put the db on a raid 1 and the logs on a seperate drive. The howto suggests the logs should be on a seperate drive, but I'm wondering if the raid5 would make up for the performance hit of having the db and logs on the same device. |
| 23:25.32 | scotth | .. any opinions on the subject? |
| 23:25.46 | drasko | I can not install python -- sh: /usr/sbin/dzhandle: /usr/bin/python2.4: bad interpreter: No such file or directory |
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| 23:26.24 | drasko | also:E: Problem executing scripts DPkg::Post-Invoke 'dzhandle restart-pending-instances' |
| 23:26.24 | drasko | E: Sub-process returned an error code |
| 23:26.25 | jan_ | if i use pam_password exop in my pam_ldap.conf , in what form do i need to store my password into LDAP ? |
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| 23:26.28 | jan_ | md5 ? smd5 ? md5crypt ? |
| 23:26.29 | shingouz | paco: then you have to see if you have the mouse turned on with tpctl (if you have the thinkpad modules in the kernel) otherwise boot into dos and use PS2.EXE to configure the mouse on, i have seen it once or twice that the mouse is not on in the first place |
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| 23:26.50 | fairway | hi, is there a way to use puttySSH with vim so you can use copy/paste from putty because it doesn't work here |
| 23:26.56 | Skyblaze | are in sid reps the new kde packages? |
| 23:27.01 | dottedquad | how would i get linux to boot KDE automatically? |
| 23:27.02 | shingouz | paco: serial? hmmm.... it should be ps/2 i think... |
| 23:27.03 | travisat | asuffield: which is better openntpd or ntp-server |
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| 23:27.34 | citral | dottedquad: linux is a kernel, kde a desktop, it will be hard to boot a desktop |
| 23:27.51 | dottedquad | well then use that desktop |
| 23:28.04 | paco | shingouz, there is no ps/2 in the choices for the mouseport |
| 23:28.16 | citral | dottedquad: you probably mean apt-get install kdm, the graphical login manager of kde |
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| 23:28.29 | Skyblaze | are there the new kde 3.4rc1 packages in sid reps? |
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| 23:28.36 | shingouz | paco: psaux should be the cirrect port for it |
| 23:28.50 | jclinton | Skyblaze, no, sid isn't that unstable |
| 23:28.58 | streuner | Skyblaze: /msg dpkg info kdelibs would tell you |
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| 23:29.13 | Skyblaze | ok thankz |
| 23:29.31 | citral | assuming it's totally up to date |
| 23:29.38 | WiFiTux | question, someone knows why my -I-Think-OSS-Driver is at 0% everytime I boot? I need to set the volume everytime. |
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| 23:29.48 | WiFiTux | that never happend |
| 23:29.52 | jclinton | http://lists.debian.org/users.html <-------- where's the rest of the list!? |
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| 23:29.58 | streuner | Skyblaze: /list #debian-kde |
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| 23:30.16 | emRick | can I just copy deb files to /var/cache/apt/archives/ and then do at "apt-get install ..."? |
| 23:30.19 | paco | shingouz, okay, it looks like i got rid of the mouse erros |
| 23:30.36 | cafuego | emRick: dpkg -i foo.deb |
| 23:30.42 | jclinton | emRick, if you have deb files you can just dpkg -i mypackage.deb |
| 23:30.43 | paco | shingouz, now it says fatal server error: no screens found |
| 23:30.53 | streuner | emRick: nope, because you need them in the db-base as well |
| 23:30.59 | citral | !no screens found |
| 23:30.59 | dpkg | no screens found is NOT a useful message - it means XFree86 has a problem SOMEWHERE with SOMETHING. Read your /var/log/XFree86.0.log more closely, and look for the REAL error, which probably begins with (EE) |
| 23:31.13 | shingouz | ty citral :) |
| 23:31.15 | streuner | emRick: the infos, of course..., use what cafuego told you. |
| 23:31.29 | Skyblaze | streuner, great |
| 23:31.30 | valdyn_ | WiFiTux: look at the package oss-preserve |
| 23:31.42 | WiFiTux | valdyn_, thanks. |
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| 23:32.34 | WiFiTux | valdyn_, if I open the alsamixer, and my sound works, but alsamixer complains that there are no sound cards, is cause I'm with oss right? |
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| 23:33.39 | citral | 70% of the questions contain their answer (or is it more?) |
| 23:34.11 | WiFiTux | citral, are you referring to me? :) |
| 23:34.13 | emRick | is there a way to update/regenerate the db-base to include new files copied to /cache/apt/archives/? |
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| 23:34.46 | cafuego | emRick: No. |
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| 23:34.47 | petemc | C |
| 23:35.21 | cafuego | emRick: Is there any reason you cannot run 'dpkg -i' or are you just being obtuse? |
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| 23:35.41 | citral | WiFiTux: I'm not sure, though, did you try aumix? |
| 23:35.49 | valdyn_ | WiFiTux: look at /proc/asound/ |
| 23:36.05 | WiFiTux | citral, hhmm I think I did. Anyway, i think this is OSS... |
| 23:36.33 | WiFiTux | valdyn_, |
| 23:36.37 | WiFiTux | alejandro:~# cat /proc/asound/modules |
| 23:36.37 | WiFiTux | 0 snd_intel8x0 |
| 23:36.37 | WiFiTux | ? |
| 23:36.42 | WiFiTux | crap |
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| 23:37.24 | WiFiTux | valdyn_, I think this thing is ALSA |
| 23:37.40 | WiFiTux | but alsamixer doesn't find any devices. |
| 23:37.50 | valdyn_ | WiFiTux: everything in /proc/asound/ is alsa |
| 23:37.55 | cafuego | WiFiTux: That thing is alsa, yes. |
| 23:38.07 | WiFiTux | cafuego, hehe |
| 23:38.19 | valdyn_ | WiFiTux: run alsamixer as root |
| 23:38.23 | WiFiTux | any idea why alsastupidmixer wouldn't work for me? |
| 23:38.30 | WiFiTux | valdyn_, I did. let me trya gain |
| 23:38.37 | hexxeh | WiFiTux, does lsmod | grep soundcore show anything? |
| 23:39.14 | WiFiTux | it's there |
| 23:39.21 | WiFiTux | I guess that's alsa |
| 23:39.42 | jepel_tailweaver | 'lo al; a few questions before installing Debian. |
| 23:39.48 | WiFiTux | it's stupid that hotplug or discover is loading the OSS modules if it chooses alsa. |
| 23:39.51 | jepel_tailweaver | Will I break anything if I use the same /boot for deb and slack? |
| 23:40.08 | emRick | cafuego: I'm copying deb-files from a crashed debian system to a fresh one and I don't just have a "single" deb-file. Going through with "dpkg -i" seems a nuisance. Hmm, maybe not, I suppose I could specify _all_ the deb-files at once. Ah, with the "-R" option. Ok, this looks good. |
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| 23:40.19 | valdyn_ | WiFiTux: it wont do that if alsa-base is installed |
| 23:40.28 | travisat | jepel_tailweaver: huh? |
| 23:40.32 | cafuego | emRick: for file in *.deb; do dpkg -i $file; done |
| 23:40.44 | WiFiTux | valdyn_, hhmm, I used the kernel driver of ALSA |
| 23:40.51 | jepel_tailweaver | travisat, I have a dedicated boot partition at /dev/hda1. It's being used by Slackware atm. Can I use it for Debian as well? |
| 23:40.56 | valdyn_ | !alsa 2.6 |
| 23:40.57 | dpkg | methinks alsa 2.6 is On Sarge, to use ALSA, ensure you have discover1 1.7.2 or higher, then apt-get install alsa-base alsa-utils. You may need to run alsaconf too. No more faffing about with OSS modules. Remember to tell your applications and libraries to use alsa, to get any benefit. |
| 23:41.19 | travisat | jepel_tailweaver: do you use grub with slackware? |
| 23:41.26 | jepel_tailweaver | travisat, no, lilo |
| 23:41.28 | citral | "ensure you have discover". bleh. |
| 23:41.50 | travisat | jepel_tailweaver: then as long as you keep the kernel-names different |
| 23:42.12 | jepel_tailweaver | travisat, I think I'll keep them separate |
| 23:42.18 | jepel_tailweaver | brb, rebooting to knoppix |
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| 23:42.25 | WiFiTux | valdyn_, ok, gnome-alsamixer works fine. I don't get why It wouldn't before. Anyway, so the question remains. PCM in alsamixer then is in the bottom on every reboot. |
| 23:43.53 | valdyn_ | WiFiTux: try to run alsactl store manually |
| 23:44.13 | WiFiTux | valdyn_, citral : It suggest to install discover, but I dunno how good that would be. |
| 23:44.20 | citral | being able to have the boot messages in green would be a great improvement in my quest of unuseful things |
| 23:44.20 | WiFiTux | valdyn_, ok |
| 23:44.50 | WiFiTux | citral, does the option vga= works in grub as well or only lilo? |
| 23:45.05 | ama | both |
| 23:45.17 | citral | WiFiTux: it works even in yaboot, can I add a color option to that? |
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| 23:45.41 | WiFiTux | citral, color option to grub? yes. |
| 23:45.56 | Attica | is there anyway to update your current os to a different version of debian? |
| 23:45.57 | WiFiTux | for the menu. |
| 23:46.16 | Attica | like from debian woody to sarge? |
| 23:46.19 | WiFiTux | valdyn_, hmm no /etc/init.d/alsa save? :) |
| 23:46.23 | WiFiTux | Attica, yes. |
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| 23:46.40 | WiFiTux | Attica, change the /etc/apt/sources.list |
| 23:46.41 | Attica | lol would it be a easy process? |
| 23:46.43 | citral | WiFiTux: no, I want the kernel messages that come at boot time to be green, to have the feeling I'm a freaking hax0r |
| 23:46.55 | WiFiTux | and change that to testing instead of woody or stable "word" |
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| 23:47.23 | WiFiTux | citral, hahahaha That would be awesome. I have that but in the grub config for my menu |
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| 23:47.28 | WiFiTux | lol |
| 23:47.49 | valdyn_ | Attica: stable -> testing works, testing -> sstable does not |
| 23:47.52 | reNegad3 | what office package is a good one? |
| 23:48.01 | WiFiTux | citral, now, I want them small! cause fucking 2.6 kernel gives 1000 messages with hotplug on boot. |
| 23:48.03 | J_P | How i change date of my dir structure ? i inatall and my clock was wrong. now i have message time stamp becouse files are in future.. how change only date of all "/" structure in my debian ? |
| 23:48.06 | citral | the only thing I found on goole was on red-hatish distros, editig something like a file in /etc/sysconfig, which doesn't exist in debian |
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| 23:48.14 | valdyn_ | !tell Attica about woody->sarge |
| 23:48.18 | WiFiTux | reNegad3, openoffice is ok. |
| 23:48.19 | MarcinKra | reNegad3: OpenOffice |
| 23:48.26 | reNegad3 | thnaks ;) |
| 23:48.26 | _rene_ | argl |
| 23:48.32 | _rene_ | OpenOffice.org |
| 23:48.39 | _rene_ | the program is called OpenOffice.org |
| 23:48.41 | reNegad3 | ta |
| 23:48.42 | _rene_ | not OpenOffice |
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| 23:48.47 | reNegad3 | ok |
| 23:48.56 | _rene_ | Open Office is a trademark of someone else |
| 23:49.00 | Guerin | antiword |
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| 23:49.06 | J_P | anyone can help me ? |
| 23:49.10 | WiFiTux | citral, that sucks. |
| 23:49.14 | Guerin | J_P: no |
| 23:49.27 | citral | not even the ones who can |
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| 23:49.52 | MarcinKra | reNegad3, for short documets Abiword is good too |
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| 23:50.13 | Guerin | emacs is the one true office suite |
| 23:50.21 | citral | for big thesis, LaTeX is teh way |
| 23:50.23 | drini | pfft |
| 23:50.30 | J_P | anyone know how do change permissions ? |
| 23:50.32 | MarcinKra | Guerin: VIM |
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| 23:50.34 | drini | even for small docs LaTeX is the wa to go |
| 23:50.39 | ama | i just use ms word |
| 23:50.50 | Guerin | J_P: info chmod |
| 23:50.51 | citral | ama: run, fast! |
| 23:51.00 | drini | J_P: chmod xyz file where xyz is the numerical permision |
| 23:51.10 | Guerin | well, ms word is better than what all the people I work with use |
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| 23:51.52 | Guerin | which is HanWord, a korean cut-price word clone whose native format isn't even .doc or .rtf compatible |
| 23:51.57 | J_P | drini: i can not change permission, i need change only date of files understand ? |
| 23:51.58 | citral | drini: ther's more than one way to do it, for beginners chmod o-rwx is usually easier |
| 23:51.58 | MarcinKra | Guerin: ms is not working with linux |
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| 23:52.07 | Guerin | MarcinKra: amazing, really? |
| 23:52.16 | MarcinKra | Yes |
| 23:52.24 | citral | Wow. |
| 23:52.27 | Guerin | wow, I learn something new every day |
| 23:52.28 | travisat | jepel_tailweaver: /quit |
| 23:52.30 | tzafrir_laptop | Is there a way to make 'make-kpkg modules' generate a .changes file for the modules package it has built? |
| 23:52.31 | cafuego | Guerin: Not to whinge, but .doc compatability isn't a very useful feature. Not even MS word is compatible with MS word,. |
| 23:52.36 | Guerin | unfrtunately that wasn't it |
| 23:52.58 | Guerin | cafuego: I DON"T MEAN "WORKS FINE WITH"< i MEAN "WORKS AT ALL WITH" |
| 23:52.58 | khanman | Guerin, spelling wasnt either eh? ;) |
| 23:52.59 | Guerin | EH |
| 23:53.04 | Guerin | bad cas, sorry |
| 23:53.21 | Guerin | this keyboard is in korean |
| 23:53.27 | Guerin | it's not my fault |
| 23:53.30 | scarynetworkguy | Heh. |
| 23:53.32 | FieldySnuts | id10t? |
| 23:53.36 | cafuego | What's korean for CAPSLOCK? ;-) |
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| 23:53.50 | Guerin | capsurok |
| 23:54.00 | khanman | haha |
| 23:54.03 | khanman | nice one |
| 23:54.06 | scarynetworkguy | Guerin: How you doing man? |
| 23:54.10 | Guerin | you think I'm joking... |
| 23:54.10 | cafuego | Ah, a pretty word in the vein of the japanese beeru eh? |
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| 23:54.15 | Guerin | scarynetworkguy: pretty good |
| 23:54.25 | scarynetworkguy | Guerin: Cool. |
| 23:54.33 | Guerin | birthday yesterday, hired a car and went to get all my kit from the old house |
| 23:54.39 | scarynetworkguy | Nice. |
| 23:54.46 | Guerin | and my friends made me go to the sing sing room |
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| 23:54.52 | Guerin | friends like those... |
| 23:54.53 | scarynetworkguy | Heh. |
| 23:55.04 | WiFiTux | vga=791 is 1024x768? |
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| 23:55.21 | jim | WiFiTux: depends on your video card |
| 23:55.36 | Guerin | the only thing worse than singing in karaoke rooms is being in them when other people are singing |
| 23:55.40 | jim | try vga=ask |
| 23:55.42 | Guerin | jim: no, it doesn't |
| 23:56.01 | omgs | Hi |
| 23:56.16 | jim | if you use vga=ask, you will see a table of numbers you can feed to vga= |
| 23:56.17 | WiFiTux | jim, It's a ATI radeon 7500, but I think I'm with VESA on fb, I have no clue. what is a nice one? 791, 794? |
| 23:56.17 | omgs | I have a question about raid and mdm in sarge |
| 23:56.21 | Guerin | citral: don't come to east asia |
| 23:56.37 | Guerin | 791 is 1024x768x16 |
| 23:56.38 | citral | I know. It's not planned ;) |
| 23:56.40 | jim | the number is device dependent |
| 23:56.40 | Guerin | I think |
| 23:56.46 | khanman | 794 is 1280x1014 (16bit) thats what i use |
| 23:56.50 | hexxeh | 791 is the VESA for 1024x768 in 16 bit color |
| 23:56.52 | jim | use vga=ask |
| 23:56.54 | hexxeh | damn you Guerin |
| 23:56.55 | WiFiTux | jim, correct! thanks. that goes into /boot/grub/menu.lst? |
| 23:56.58 | khanman | erm...1280x1024 |
| 23:57.01 | omgs | What's exactly "to zero the superblock" |
| 23:57.06 | drini | I can never get fb to work, all I get is a blank black screen after 3 secs of booting |
| 23:57.06 | omgs | What's exactly "to zero the superblock"? |
| 23:57.12 | WiFiTux | hexxeh, awesome. That one then. |
| 23:57.17 | Guerin | for having done such a bad job of led zep choons the other night |
| 23:57.22 | hexxeh | i use 792, for 24(32) bit color |
| 23:57.24 | omgs | I have data, it's raid1 |
| 23:57.32 | jim | what's a led zep choon? |
| 23:57.42 | Guerin | a choon by led zep, natch |
| 23:57.48 | khanman | probly dont even need 16bit in console..but wtf |
| 23:57.54 | jim | what's a choon? |
| 23:57.57 | WiFiTux | hexxeh, well. I'll do =ask first, but I' have those in mind. |
| 23:57.59 | cafuego | jim: a 40-year-old wannabee rocker with a fat beer belly |
| 23:58.00 | Guerin | say it aloud |
| 23:58.10 | WiFiTux | is that in menu.lst? |
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| 23:58.24 | aespinoza | hi |
| 23:58.31 | khanman | WiFiTux, yeah at the end of your kernel line |
| 23:58.36 | citral | 99% of WiFiTux questions caotain their answer |
| 23:58.42 | jim | WiFiTux: vga=ask can be fed to your kernel command line |
| 23:58.49 | Guerin | the other 1% are unintelligible |
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| 23:59.01 | WiFiTux | citral, :) Well, first time I use grub. I like more lilo. |
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| 23:59.04 | Guerin | vga=ask also doesn't give a full list of available modes |
| 23:59.12 | cafuego | WiFiTux: Why don't you stick with lilo, then? |
| 23:59.13 | WiFiTux | jim, ok thanks. |
| 23:59.14 | zinx | it does if you hit scan |
| 23:59.20 | WiFiTux | Guerin, ok. |
| 23:59.24 | hexxeh | jim, does your obsessiveness over vga=ask simply mean your own graphics card doesn't support VESA buffer number codes? |
| 23:59.26 | cafuego | zinx: Not fb modes. |
| 23:59.33 | Guerin | not on my laptop, it doesnt... which works fine if you pass it a number |
| 23:59.36 | zinx | it doesn't scan those? who need fbcon anyway :) |
| 23:59.40 | WiFiTux | cafuego, cause it used to suck with my kernel images and Sarge and some conflicts before. |
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| 23:59.52 | khanman | WiFiTux, your line should look similar to "kernel /boot/vmlinuz-2.6.8-2-686 root=/dev/hda3 ro vga=794" |
| 23:59.55 | cafuego | WiFiTux: That goes in the 1% category. |
