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| 00:00.10 | jjazz | kate |
| 00:00.24 | jjazz | oops. wrong window |
| 00:01.00 | k-man | petemc, well... i kinda do |
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| 00:01.16 | petemc | davidcsi: doubtful, im not sure i really understand your problem tho |
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| 00:01.33 | veruus | hmm... |
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| 00:02.15 | Thanateremesis | doub, ping |
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| 00:03.42 | vladster | I got battle royal |
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| 00:05.24 | davidcsi | petemc: ok, I have a small network, on which there are 3 hosts, 1 laptop (deb), 1 server (deb, no firewall) and 1 router. Until two days ago, both the server and the laptop connected to the router via wifi, yesterday I changed the server to a ethernet cable. thats when the problems started, now I can't event ping the server from the laptop , nor the laptop from the server. Though i CAN ping both from the router. |
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| 00:06.00 | vince- | hello, does any of you knows if a mother board ASUS TUSL2-C support a total of 1gb sdram ? |
| 00:06.13 | Thaiger | Hi, on some terminals my prompt is all garbled, can someone tell me what the default PS1 setting is in their .bash_profile? |
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| 00:06.37 | petemc | davidcsi: then its obviously your router |
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| 00:06.42 | tarzeau | Thaiger: mine's '\u@\h:\w\$ ' |
| 00:06.55 | davidcsi | Thaiger: PS1='${debian_chroot:+($debian_chroot)}\u@\h:\w\$ ' |
| 00:06.55 | mith | '\u@\h:\w\$ ' is pretty standard |
| 00:07.01 | tarzeau | Thaiger: or in zsh '%n@%m:%~%(!.#.$) ' |
| 00:07.09 | Thaiger | Thanks, I'll try those, see if it helps |
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| 00:07.50 | cafuego | '\u@\h:\w\n; ' |
| 00:07.54 | davidcsi | thaiger: it is tempting to believe that, but when i connect the laptop with ethernet cable it works just fine |
| 00:07.59 | cafuego | makes for much typing space when when in deep subdirs. |
| 00:08.08 | davidcsi | sorry |
| 00:08.19 | WiFiTux | is there a paste http program in apt-get? I mean like pastebin.com and like the paster in the debian site? |
| 00:08.26 | davidcsi | petemc: it is tempting to believe that, but when i connect the laptop with ethernet cable it works just fine |
| 00:08.38 | cafuego | vince-: The ASUS website knows. |
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| 00:08.43 | petemc | davidcsi: right, so your router segregates the wired network from the wireless |
| 00:09.23 | davidcsi | thats what it looks like.. BUT, there are no options WHATSOEVER on the router to stop that from happening! |
| 00:09.35 | yoshio | davidcsi: what does netstat -rn show on each machine? |
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| 00:10.11 | davidcsi | yoshio: my routing table |
| 00:10.41 | Compy | Using apt-get how can I update my WHOLE listing for woody bf2.4? I was in need of updating ALL of GCC but the latest apt-get listed was like 3.0, I need the LATEST possible GCC and libs etc, how can I grab the latest possible version via apt-get? Most of my apt-get packs are very old and outdated. |
| 00:10.46 | yoshio | davidcsi: I mean is teh default route set to the right interface? |
| 00:10.58 | mlalkaka | hi |
| 00:11.18 | PerfDave | Compy: You're running woody. It is frozen, 2.5 years ago. No new versions enter it, only backported security fixes. |
| 00:11.19 | vince- | cafuego: http://www.digit-life.com/articles/tualatin/ " 512 MBytes memory (max)" means that I can't put memory bigger than 512 mo or means that the total of the memory must but =< to 512 ? |
| 00:11.34 | cafuego | Compy: You need or you somehow are under the mistaken impression you need? |
| 00:12.02 | Compy | I do, because 2.95 is very outdated |
| 00:12.09 | PerfDave | Compy: You can look for backported later versions of gcc on http://www.backports.org/ |
| 00:12.13 | cafuego | Compy: No, I mean _REAL_ reasons. |
| 00:12.18 | PerfDave | Compy: But they won't have security updates |
| 00:12.23 | petemc | old software sucks? |
| 00:12.29 | davidcsi | yoshio: yes, well... |
| 00:12.29 | davidcsi | Destination Gateway Genmask Flags MSS Window irtt Iface |
| 00:12.30 | davidcsi | 192.168.1.0 0.0.0.0 255.255.255.0 U 0 0 0 eth2 |
| 00:12.30 | davidcsi | 0.0.0.0 192.168.1.1 0.0.0.0 UG 0 0 0 eth2 |
| 00:12.30 | davidcsi | Destination Gateway Genmask Flags MSS Window irtt Iface |
| 00:12.30 | davidcsi | 192.168.1.0 0.0.0.0 255.255.255.0 U 0 0 0 eth0 |
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| 00:12.30 | petemc | cafuego: use sarge |
| 00:12.34 | cafuego | Compy: 2.95 looks too old is not a REAL reason, it's retarded. |
| 00:12.34 | PerfDave | petemc: t0t4lly d00d |
| 00:12.35 | petemc | gah |
| 00:12.40 | petemc | cafuego: sorry :) |
| 00:12.53 | cafuego | petemc: I would, but sarge amd64... |
| 00:13.03 | petemc | PerfDave: what are you implying? |
| 00:13.09 | mlalkaka | i'm having some serious problems with dns resolution on my debian system. all dns name resolution takes quite a long time. for example, pinging any site takes long during the name resolution part, but if i ping that site's specific ip address, then the pinging works fast. also i tried this from another computer on my network, and it worked fast. the website that was pinged was on the internet, not on the lan. any ideas/solutions? |
| 00:13.20 | Compy | Well, Ive tried mostly every type of upgrade, apt-get refuses to upgrade, I dunno why, after every try it upgrades 0 packs |
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| 00:13.42 | PerfDave | petemc: I'm implying that "old software sucks" is a stupid arguement. |
| 00:13.42 | davidcsi | yoshio: ups |
| 00:13.59 | petemc | PerfDave: well, thats bunkum |
| 00:13.59 | cafuego | Compy: it's because gcc 2.95 is the latest gcc in woody. End of story. |
| 00:14.07 | PerfDave | Compy: That's because you're running the stable release, which never gets new versions of software. |
| 00:14.07 | davidcsi | yoshio: they both have exactly this: |
| 00:14.17 | davidcsi | 192.168.1.0 0.0.0.0 255.255.255.0 U 0 0 0 eth2 |
| 00:14.17 | davidcsi | 0.0.0.0 192.168.1.1 0.0.0.0 UG 0 0 0 eth2 |
| 00:14.17 | petemc | PerfDave: if its not, why does everyone want sarge to release |
| 00:14.20 | Compy | PerfDave: I see |
| 00:14.25 | cafuego | Compy: And as opposed to what you might thing, old and STABLE software is GOOD. |
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| 00:14.42 | Compy | cafuego: Please dont waste your time arguing with me, I have a simple request. |
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| 00:15.08 | PerfDave | petemc: It'd be nice to have newer software, but that doesn't mean that woody is crap because it's old. It runs very nicely and is awesomely stable. |
| 00:15.14 | cafuego | Compy: I'm not arguin, I'm pointing out your conceptual error. |
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| 00:15.32 | durnew | can linux handle 2.7 gig files? it doesn't seem to be working |
| 00:15.42 | Compy | cafuego: Its not a conceptual error, I know whats stable and what isn't. The fact is is the programs I code need newer versions of GCC than 2.95 to compile. End of story. |
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| 00:15.48 | PerfDave | Compy: You have three options - download a pre-prepared backport of gcc for stable, do one yourself, or update to the testing release (and lose security updates) |
| 00:15.52 | Vme | hello, i recently install some stupid USBMGR program for Debian and now my DVB card isn't getting loaded....it doesn't show up in dmesg or /proc/interrupts anymore... |
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| 00:16.03 | Compy | PerfDave: okie, noted. Thanks |
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| 00:16.05 | cafuego | Compy: Then you need to not be running woody OR fix the software End of story. |
| 00:16.15 | Mutantx | can anyone help me get my SD Card reader on my laptop working? |
| 00:16.21 | Compy | cafuego: I appreciate your input. |
| 00:16.26 | PerfDave | Compy: I've already told you that there may be pre-prepared backports at http://www.backports.org/ |
| 00:16.30 | Compy | yep |
| 00:16.32 | petemc | PerfDave: i know what woody is, and i know whats its good for, but for an awful lot of cases, the software in woody is too old to be useful, and if you're using backports, you might as welll run sarge |
| 00:16.34 | Compy | Im checking around |
| 00:16.35 | davidcsi | Mutantx: is it a toshiba? |
| 00:16.48 | PerfDave | petemc: Except that's bollocks. |
| 00:17.10 | Mutantx | davidcsi: no an HP Pavilion |
| 00:17.21 | petemc | PerfDave: right, lets say you want to run a mail server... |
| 00:17.28 | PerfDave | Woody with specific backported applications is still more secure and more stable than Sarge, full stop. And it's very rare that the software in woody is too old to be useful. |
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| 00:17.35 | PerfDave | petemc: I do run a mailserver on Woody, thanks ;) |
| 00:17.41 | Compy | backports holds no results for 'gcc' |
| 00:17.43 | jbAU | can anyone install php4-mcrypt in unstable? |
| 00:17.50 | petemc | PerfDave: using backkports, pointless |
| 00:17.55 | PerfDave | petemc: No, I don't use backports. |
| 00:18.03 | jbAU | i get an error: php4-mcrypt: Depends: phpapi-20020918-zts |
| 00:18.13 | davidcsi | well, SD on laptops... forget it, I have a toshiba and it is simply not possible as far as I know... manufacturers have not release any info on it |
| 00:18.36 | jbAU | davidcsi i tried writing a driver for the sd on the toshiba, but only got half way |
| 00:19.03 | prahal | Compy : there is no point in backporting gcc ... (backport are needed to make the new program works with the old libc6 and gcc ) |
| 00:19.04 | Vme | hello, i recently install some stupid USBMGR program for Debian and now my DVB card isn't getting loaded....it doesn't show up in dmesg or /proc/interrupts anymore...?? What are some troubleshooting steps I should be starting with? |
| 00:19.08 | davidcsi | jbAU, if you EVER get it working, PLEASE let me know! |
| 00:19.30 | prahal | Compy: if you upgrade libc6/gcc you have to do it for the full distro -> sarge |
| 00:19.36 | Compy | I see |
| 00:19.41 | jbAU | davidcsi lol - i gave up but i know a guy who kept on going with it... i'll ask next time i see him |
| 00:19.42 | Compy | Sounds like I just need sarge |
| 00:19.45 | Mutantx | I see |
| 00:20.36 | PerfDave | Compy: But then you won't get security updates, it's up to you. |
| 00:20.39 | jim | Compy: getting a later libc and installing it is dangerous IF you place the results of building the lib in well-known system-wide places |
| 00:20.44 | petemc | PerfDave: out of curiousity, do you ever seek help from the upstream of any packages you use? |
| 00:20.52 | giupy | Mutantx have you tried www.linux-laptop.net ? |
| 00:21.08 | davidcsi | jbAU: you got my mail? i just sent it via a private. I would KILL for that driver! it is the ONLY reason I keep F..... M$ on my laptop! |
| 00:21.09 | prahal | if i mistaken i am sure someone will fix my telling |
| 00:21.12 | mlalkaka | i'm having some serious problems with dns resolution on my debian system. all dns name resolution takes quite a long time. for example, pinging any site takes long during the name resolution part, but if i ping that site's specific ip address, then the pinging works fast. also i tried this from another computer on my network, and it worked fast. the website that was pinged was on the internet, not on the lan. any ideas/solutions? |
| 00:21.23 | PerfDave | petemc: Not really, no. Stuff generally Just Works. |
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| 00:21.33 | jim | it's dangerous because you potentially change how every executable linked with that library works and possibly break a fair number of them |
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| 00:21.35 | Mutantx | giupy: nop, didn't know about it... let me look at it... |
| 00:21.39 | cafuego | Compy: Also keep in mind you need to keep gcc 2.95 for any kernels you may want to compile. |
| 00:21.41 | prahal | mlalkaka: do you have ipv6 support ? if it s half configured it slow down thing a lot |
| 00:21.51 | Mutantx | Thanks guys |
| 00:22.11 | mlalkaka | prahal, how can i check whether i have ipv6 support? and how can i fully configure it or fully disable it? |
| 00:22.17 | jim | but if you put it in say your home dir or other poorly-known non-system place, it's harmless |
| 00:22.39 | petemc | PerfDave: ahh right, never mind then... |
| 00:22.57 | prahal | mlalkaka: you use basically default system /kernel ? |
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| 00:23.02 | PerfDave | petemc: I've occasionally asked on #postgresql how to do SELECTs from system tables in 7.2 to replicate functions in 7.4 and 8.0 but that's about it. |
| 00:23.04 | prahal | then you should not ... |
| 00:23.16 | mlalkaka | prahal, yes but i recompiled it with new options |
| 00:23.37 | airguitar | i have a big problem. everytime i use X for a number of minutes (different application) it suddenly freezes. i went into console mode and i have deteremined that the app kacpid is using 80% of processor power. does anyone have any idea what's causing this? |
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| 00:23.43 | mlalkaka | prahal, i can check my config.gz to see if i enable ipv6. what is the config option? |
| 00:24.05 | EvanCarroll | www.jeffmarkley.com/files/cyber_lovah.asx |
| 00:24.09 | prahal | mlalkaka: grep for IPV6 |
| 00:24.47 | yoshio | davidcsi: when typing netstat -rn on the server, is the default route set to the wired interface? |
| 00:25.12 | prahal | mlalkaka: but if module : lsmod |grep ipv6 to see if it is loaded (as i told ipv6 produce this only if the config is broken , so if all ipv6 setup are ok it is another problem ) |
| 00:25.27 | kaber1 | with this dell Open Manage software, it's some how decidnig to isntall redhat enterprise linux... it's gonna ask me for a registery key after the install right |
| 00:25.28 | kaber1 | argh |
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| 00:26.01 | pipeline | RHEL has "registration keys" now? |
| 00:26.07 | davidcsi | yoshio: checking |
| 00:26.10 | prahal | mlalkaka: there are also a bunch of bugs in bind9 (usually only with pretty advanced setups) |
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| 00:26.14 | petemc | kaber1: it does not do that of its own accord |
| 00:26.25 | idimmu | was there recently a problem with the version of lilo in unstable corrupting an ntfs partition if dual booting? |
| 00:26.28 | kaber1 | well open manage.. i went to create partitions. said must select an os |
| 00:26.33 | yoshio | mlalkaka: in your /etc/nsswitch.conf, do you have hosts: files dns ? |
| 00:26.37 | kaber1 | closes optionto debian was redhat enterprise.then it started isntalling it |
| 00:26.38 | davidcsi | yoshio: yes |
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| 00:27.09 | mlalkaka | yoshio, yes i do |
| 00:27.23 | mlalkaka | prahal, i'm checking the things you told me. just a sec... |
| 00:27.47 | CoooLLer | i've got a proble. when i connect to internet via kpppd it die with message "server needs to identify itself, but i could'n find any secret(password) to do so". How can i solve this problem? |
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| 00:30.20 | mlalkaka | prahal, in my config.gz, i have CONFIG_IPV6=m; CONFIG_IPV6_PRIVACY=y; CONFIG_IPV6_TUNNEL=m; CONFIG_IP6_NF_MATCH_IPV6HEADER=m. |
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| 00:30.59 | prahal | CoooLLer: please add "debug" on a free line in "/etc/ppp/peers/ whatever file there is there" then retry and do "dmesg" , the error log kppp gave you is strange |
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| 00:31.27 | prahal | mlalkaka: this looks like the default, "lsmod |grep ipv6" ? |
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| 00:32.34 | yoshio | davidcsi: maybe try clearing the arp cache? /usr/sbin/arp -a to see the contents |
| 00:32.35 | mlalkaka | prahal, i did an lsmod | grep -i ipv6 but it returned nothing. i did change a line in my /etc/modprobe.d/aliases. i changed "alias net-pf-10 ipv6" to "alias net-pf-10 off" in hopes of disabling ipv6. from what i found on google, some people thought that ipv6 was the problem. i can change it back though if it is necessary. |
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| 00:33.12 | prahal | mlalkaka: if not could you try starting named from the console with -4 option and see if it still happens |
| 00:33.31 | mlalkaka | prahal, do most people use named? |
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| 00:35.02 | vladster | still can't get alsa to work |
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| 00:36.02 | prahal | mlalkaka: ipv6 is the first thing to check you made a good guess , about bind i think it is far from the best option for small lan , but i have spend so much time on bind that i did not have some left to try others :( |
| 00:36.05 | mlalkaka | prahal, and how can i check what version of bind i have |
| 00:36.37 | prahal | if debian packaged , dpkg -l bind* |
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| 00:37.29 | CoooLLer | prahal: i've launch it trough console and watch all that it said in console |
| 00:37.36 | mlalkaka | prahal, i've got bind (8.4.4-1) and bind9-host (9.2.4-1). just a sec. i'll check which one's installed |
| 00:37.41 | prahal | mlalkaka: to debug bind the best i found is starting it from the comand line with -f (eventually -d to set a debug level), -4 and -6 are good for the ipv6 problem too |
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| 00:38.43 | Vme | hello, i recently install some stupid USBMGR program for Debian and now my DVB card isn't getting loaded....it doesn't show up in dmesg or /proc/interrupts anymore...?? What are some troubleshooting steps I should be starting with? |
| 00:38.59 | mlalkaka | prahal, but i only installed bind yesterday. i didn't have it before. i thought that bind may speed up my dns resolution. this problem was happening before i had bind |
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| 00:39.38 | prahal | CoooLLer: the debug option i told you to add was for ppp (kppp is just a frontend over it, it can help beginner as it can provide bad error messages and confuse), the debug option of ppp will output error in /var/log/messages (you won't see them on the console) |
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| 00:40.37 | prahal | CoooLLer: my guess is you choose the bad authentification method (PAP or CHAP) |
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| 00:41.35 | ARdEBaRAn | <PROTECTED> |
| 00:41.47 | Nafed | how would i make it so that when I add user to ssh it auto creates a directory in the users home dir, copies a file into the users home dir and adds a mysql account for the user |
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| 00:42.24 | jim | Nafed: put users you add in a list, then run a program for each item in the list |
| 00:42.37 | petemc | Nafed: perl |
| 00:42.42 | jim | the program adds the user and makes the infrastructure |
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| 00:42.50 | mrhemlock | how long should "dd if=/dev/urandom of=/dev/hdc1" on 400Mhz processor take ? |
| 00:42.50 | yoshio | ARdEBaRAn: edit /etc/network/interfaces or dpkg-reconfigure base-config |
| 00:42.57 | Nafed | sounds complicated :S |
| 00:43.19 | CoooLLer | prahal: i think so, i tried to write user server and password to /etc/ppp/pap-secrets and do everything according to howto but it's not working |
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| 00:43.29 | mrhemlock | partition is 4 gigs |
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| 00:43.56 | prahal | CoooLLer: first you could try to add them to the chap-secrets in the same dir |
| 00:44.00 | petemc | Nafed: in fairness what you're trying to accomplis isnt straight forward |
| 00:44.17 | Nafed | so i should just forget the idea? lol |
| 00:44.19 | petemc | i hate this keyboard |
| 00:44.24 | prahal | though PAP is the most common case ... i doubt it will fix it :/ |
| 00:44.26 | ARdEBaRAn | yoshio thanks |
| 00:44.45 | petemc | Nafed: not necessarily, learn perl :) you dont have to learn /that/ much for it to be useful |
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| 00:45.05 | daww | How can I configure the mousespeed in XFree86 > KDE |
| 00:45.16 | prahal | mlalkaka: so it is the ipv6 problem , bind cannot help as the problem happen before it is called |
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| 00:46.09 | prahal | sadly i have a hard time remenbering the exact fix (2 years have passed since i fixed it :( |
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| 00:46.35 | mlalkaka | prahal, so what should i do to completely disable ipv6, or fully configure ipv6? |
| 00:46.59 | Nafed | also, does anyone know of a "Free" web management system for debian? |
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| 00:47.29 | mlalkaka | prahal, i thought disabling the module in /etc/modprobe.d/aliases using "alias net-pf-10 off" was enough. |
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| 00:48.05 | prahal | mlalkaka: you can modprobe ipv6 , as it was not the part that provoqued the ipv6 slowdown then the config is at fault (so we could guess the config have ipv6 enabled, loading the driver should finish it) |
| 00:48.13 | mlalkaka | prahal, i noticed i have some things in /etc/hosts that is "desirable for IPv6 hosts". should i remove/comment that |
| 00:48.33 | petemc | Nafed: if somethings "in" debian, its "Free", the only one i know of is webmin, which ive never used |
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| 00:49.01 | python | hi |
| 00:49.24 | python | can anyone tell me how to get glmatrix on as a background |
| 00:49.53 | mlalkaka | prahal, ok. i did modprobe ipv6. now what should i do? |
| 00:49.56 | prahal | mlalkaka: try the driver first (and also renable the alias before , then update-modules) |
| 00:50.22 | prahal | then modprobe ipv6, you shoudl have a message about it at the end of dmesg output |
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| 00:51.50 | abrotman | python: isn't that a moving screensaver? |
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| 00:52.36 | oigres | Hi guys, I'm trying to do portforwarding with iptables. I'm running ker 2.6 versions. Is there a module I need to load for this? |
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| 00:52.58 | prahal | CoooLLer: does chap fix it ? |
| 00:53.13 | mlalkaka | prahal, alright. i did "modprobe ipv6"; then i changed the alias line to "alias net-pf-10 ipv6"; then i ran "update-modules". i did it in that order. is that right? |
| 00:53.33 | mrhemlock | how do i do a fast disk erase with dd or other tool ? |
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| 00:54.20 | prahal | well modprobe -r ipv6 ; mdoprobe ipv6 (i shoud have told to fix the alias , update the modules list then modprobe). If you have the ipv6 enabled message in dmesg then it is ready (for the kernel side), let s check if resolv speed up now |
| 00:54.35 | python | abrotman yes it is |
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| 00:54.49 | jmd | Are there any exim4 experts here ?? |
| 00:54.57 | _ToNhO_ | Hi gringos |
| 00:55.24 | CoooLLer | prahal: i dont know, i'm under win now =) |
| 00:55.26 | Resonant | I am curious, I have an integrated sound card (w/ appropriate drivers) the alsa library, and the OSS wrapper for alsa...I am only able to run on sound output at a time (i.e. cannot watch a flash animation without closing xmms, etc) is there a workaround for this? |
| 00:55.35 | prahal | jmd: well just ask , exim4 has plenty options |
| 00:55.47 | mlalkaka | prahal, should i redo the steps in the correct order? |
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| 00:56.03 | dvs | Resonant: Change xmms to use ALSA? |
| 00:56.08 | ARdEBaRAn | hey i installed my debian linux, with a mininstall cd, is there a way to upgrade it, downloading the file of the complete installation ?? |
| 00:56.10 | sirex | anyone know why df -h prints out utter rubbish ? the disk size is a massive minus number. |
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| 00:56.24 | sirex | this is a fresh(ish) install |
| 00:56.26 | prahal | CoooLLer: ok thanks for trying (for info my setup use chap not pap secrets) |
| 00:56.28 | petemc | Resonant: dmix, but it isnt perfect |
| 00:57.09 | prahal | mlalkaka: modprobe -r ipv6 ; mdoprobe ipv6 will fix my mistake (it unload then reload the module) |
| 00:57.35 | jmd | prahal: I used base-config to set up exim. I selected the "no local mail" option. However it still tries to deliver mail locally if the domain name matches the machines' own one. I want to have NO local mail (except perhaps to root). |
| 00:57.37 | cureless | Resonant: alsa has many configuration parameters. But as a start why don't you try to have the applications use alsa as opposed to oss (alsa oss emulation) |
| 00:57.50 | ARdEBaRAn | hey i installed my debian linux, with a mininstall cd, is there a way to upgrade it, downloading the file of the complete installation ?? |
| 00:57.51 | prahal | ARdEBaRAn: apt-setup should give you a way to do so |
| 00:57.56 | ARdEBaRAn | okey |
| 00:57.59 | cureless | Resonant: i.e. tell xmms to use the alsa output plugin, not the oss output plugin |
| 00:58.15 | dvs | cureless: That sounds familiar ;-) |
| 00:58.37 | cureless | dvs: whoops... hehe :-) |
| 00:58.48 | daww | My PS/2 mouse is double as fast as my USB mouse when both is connected, how can I configure my mouse speed in XFree86? |
| 00:58.52 | ARdEBaRAn | prahal what apt is ? |
| 00:58.57 | ARdEBaRAn | im new using debian |
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| 00:59.05 | abrotman | python: look for "glmatrix x background" in google ? |
| 00:59.07 | mlalkaka | prahal, i can't do "modprobe -r". it says "FATAL: Module ipv6 is in use." |
| 00:59.13 | abrotman | !es |
| 00:59.14 | prahal | ouch pretty advanced exim . sorry |
| 00:59.14 | dpkg | Hispanohablantes: Por favor usen #debian-es, alli obtendran mas ayuda. Spanish Speakers: Please use #debian-es, there you will get much more help. |
| 00:59.27 | cureless | mlalkaka: IIRC you can't unload ipv6 |
| 00:59.36 | stew_ | daww: man xset |
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| 01:00.25 | CoooLLer | prahal: where are you from. Country i mean. I'm from russia and i think our providers use different tecnologies |
| 01:00.39 | prahal | mlalkaka: well seems it is already used to resolve , do you see a speed improvment (i really don't knwo what your alias option was intended to do , it was just a cleanup to have something "default") |
| 01:00.43 | petemc | jmd: i think if you comment out local_domain, exim wont do any local deliveries |
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| 01:00.56 | petemc | local_domains, damn keyboard |
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| 01:01.20 | prahal | CoooLLer: France , it must be damn late for you ! |
| 01:01.31 | jmd | petemc: In which file ?? |
| 01:01.39 | petemc | jmd: rather, leave it in, but dont specify any thing there |
| 01:02.03 | petemc | jmd: exim3 or 4? |
| 01:02.05 | yoshio | ARdEBaRAn: you need to add "sources" to /etc/apt/sources.list, then do apt-get update, thendo apt-get install SomePackageName or use a graphical app to add packages |
| 01:02.07 | CoooLLer | prahal: yeah =) it's 4:00 am now =) |
| 01:02.21 | jmd | petemc, exim4 |
| 01:03.11 | petemc | jmd: i guess you could try dpkg-reconfigure exim4-config,when it asks about local domains, leave it blank |
| 01:03.25 | prahal | ARdEBaRAn: advanced package T .... you could compare it to "windows automatic installer", when dpkg is "intallshield" |
| 01:03.57 | petemc | jmd: otherwise, its /etc/exim4/exim4.conf.template , and you have to run update-exim.conf after you edit it |
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| 01:05.06 | prahal | sorry i don't use it , i though apt-setup was able to setup default sources, does it ? |
| 01:05.14 | petemc | it should |
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| 01:05.26 | jmd | petemc, Tnx. I'll try it. |
| 01:05.29 | mlalkaka | prahal, no there's no increase in resolution speed. now my configuration is as follows; i uninstalled bind; ipv6 module in loaded; the alias line is "alias net-pf-10 ipv6". |
| 01:05.36 | jetscreamer | hey who knows how to fix "i deleted a partiton and formatted it in windows, then i deleted the partition in linux and formatted it, but windows still thinks the ext3 partition is fat32 and wants to chkdsk it every restart" |
| 01:05.37 | shingouz | i need to get a driver into my new custom kernel the debian way. the driver docs only mention "make && make install" and i have had no luck telling google to find me anything helpful. how would i have to set up the kernel source for menuconfig to see the new spca5xx driver so that i would be able to use kpkg properly? i'd really appreciate some hints on how to do it on kernel.org sources and i am not looking for some step-by-setp instructio |
| 01:05.37 | shingouz | t something that would help me grok how to do this in general. hints anyone? |
| 01:05.43 | jetscreamer | shingouz fo |
| 01:05.51 | shingouz | jetscreamer: ? |
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| 01:06.08 | jetscreamer | you put the source in /usr/src/modules |
| 01:06.15 | r3m | what is the command in console to show system resource cpu... |
| 01:06.33 | jetscreamer | make_kpkg kernel-image modules modules_install |
| 01:06.37 | jetscreamer | hey who knows how to fix "i deleted a partiton and formatted it in windows, then i deleted the partition in linux and formatted it, but windows still thinks the ext3 partition is fat32 and wants to chkdsk it every restart" |
| 01:06.45 | shingouz | jetscreamer: but menuconfig doesnt see them. didnt see it at least yesterday when i tried just that |
| 01:06.50 | dvs | shingouz: I think you want module-assistant |
| 01:06.59 | shingouz | dvs: lemme check |
| 01:07.04 | jetscreamer | aka why the fuck does linux let you see files and use them even after you delete the frickin partition |
| 01:07.21 | jmd | petemc, Is the exim4.conf-template used even if I've opted to split configuration into conf.d ?? |
| 01:07.24 | r3m | what is the command in console to show system resource like how percent is used by each bg |
| 01:07.24 | jetscreamer | i installed d-i last night and booted a kernel i compiled last month.. |
| 01:07.38 | shingouz | dvs: that looks good. thanks, now for the man pages |
| 01:07.41 | jetscreamer | and i had deleted thepartition the /boot was on |
| 01:07.46 | jetscreamer | that's gay |
| 01:07.47 | dvs | shingouz: np |
| 01:08.11 | mlalkaka | prahal, should i leave bind on my system? |
| 01:08.14 | shingouz | i'll be back to pester you a bit more later if i am too caffeine deprived ;) |
| 01:08.26 | Maulkin | Lo all |
| 01:08.38 | petemc | jmd: ahh, split config is different again, im not 100% sure, i could tell you how to change to one file, but you may not be abe to use debconfig to configure exim after that |
| 01:08.51 | petemc | christ |
| 01:09.02 | petemc | debconf to configure.. |
| 01:09.22 | jmd | Maybe I should go back to good old sendmail. |
| 01:09.23 | jetscreamer | ok so how do you get mkfs to quit doing a 'quick format' then |
| 01:09.46 | prahal | mlalkaka: as i told you i don't remenber the exact fix , only the whole setup , sorry .... could you test resolving with host -4 name ? |
| 01:09.46 | petemc | shingouz: if you're using a kernel.org kernel, just symlink the unpacked source to /usr/src/linux should work |
| 01:10.04 | jetscreamer | and another thing: why can nobody answer anymore when i have a question. this used to be great for answering my noob q's |
| 01:10.19 | stew | jetscreamer: you can zero out the partition |
| 01:10.24 | jetscreamer | maybe a lobotomy for me and ya'll can answer |
| 01:10.27 | shingouz | petemc: tried that too yesterday, not workee :( |
| 01:10.28 | jetscreamer | stew with mkfs? |
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| 01:10.36 | prahal | mlalkaka: it does no harm , but is pretty useless for a small lan , its best task is to help improve maintenance |
| 01:10.39 | stew | jetscreamer: no, with cp /dev/zero /dev/hd?? |
| 01:10.40 | shingouz | reading up on the module-assistant tho. lets see... |
| 01:10.41 | petemc | jmd: exim4 -bV , note where the config is, should be /var/lib/exim4/config.autogenerated, copy that /etc/exim4/exim4.conf |
| 01:10.46 | jetscreamer | ah that |
| 01:11.01 | jetscreamer | k thanks stew, that's a workaround |
| 01:11.01 | prahal | it cannot fix net problem that existed before it was installed , only add more :( |
| 01:11.25 | narcmann | poop |
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| 01:11.42 | jetscreamer | and lilo borked out every try last night w/d-i.. it needs libdevmapper on the cd and it's not |
| 01:11.52 | jetscreamer | afaict |
| 01:12.12 | narcmann | yay for mini itx's |
| 01:12.15 | petemc | jmd: if you're more comfortable with sendmail, thats what you should use, but you wuld have no case to complain about exim being complicated :) |
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| 01:12.37 | narcmann | why not qmail |
| 01:12.39 | petemc | shingouz: no workee is a good error... |
| 01:12.46 | robertg | why not postfi |
| 01:12.47 | robertg | *fix |
| 01:12.54 | shingouz | petemc: ty :) |
| 01:12.55 | stew | narcmann: how about its non-free |
| 01:12.56 | mlalkaka | prahal, i did "host -4 www.topcities.com". i received "host: illegal option -- 4 \ www.topcities.com is an alias for topcities.com. \ topcities.com has address 66.186.10.200" where ' \ ' is the end of a line. |
| 01:12.58 | jetscreamer | so nobody knows why linux thinks this partition is ext3, and w2k thinks it's fat32 until it tries to chkdsk it, then it notices that it's not msdos type, but then it still thinks it's fat32 every reboot |
| 01:13.22 | mlalkaka | prahal, it took quite a while |
| 01:13.23 | petemc | how about the qmail written by djb doesnt compile on any recent system |
| 01:13.38 | jetscreamer | is that djbob? |
| 01:13.41 | doub | jetscreamer: maybe you hae some kind of trouble with the partition type ? |
| 01:13.53 | narcmann | whats wrong with the qmail deb packages |
| 01:13.59 | ARdEBaRAn | how can i use the apt to download packages? |
| 01:14.03 | petemc | narcmann: nothing, per se |
| 01:14.16 | shingouz | ARdEBaRAn: man apt (apt-get install foo) |
| 01:14.23 | dvs | ARdEBaRAn: apt-setup |
| 01:14.27 | jim | jetscreamer: what does the partition table say about the partition type... maybe microsoft is overloading the partition type values, or maybe your partition type is set wrong in the table |
| 01:14.36 | shingouz | ARdEBaRAn: man apt-get that is |
| 01:14.50 | doub | jetscreamer: what does fdisk -l say about your partition ? |
| 01:14.51 | ARdEBaRAn | thanks |
| 01:14.52 | jetscreamer | doub, yeah but it's cfdisk imo, there's somthing ms'ish it's not getting rid of... that bit (i forget what to say but i know what i mean) |
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| 01:15.11 | WiFiTux | is there a paste http program in apt-get? I mean like pastebin.com and like the paster in the debian site? |
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| 01:15.55 | jetscreamer | doub it says it's linux, just like it did when i used cfdisk to create it |
| 01:16.37 | doub | jetscreamer: that's a bit strange. are you shure windows chkdsk refers to the same partition ? |
| 01:16.39 | jetscreamer | there's a hidden bit that ms sets that linux doesn't reset that identifies the partition type to w2k |
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| 01:16.57 | WiFiTux | shingouz, E: Couldn't find package foo |
| 01:17.01 | jetscreamer | doub yeah.. and this isn't new behavior, i've seen this for a year. |
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| 01:17.23 | shingouz | WiFiTux: heh |
| 01:17.27 | jetscreamer | aka this bug is reproducible |
| 01:17.28 | narcmann | you gotta apt-get update to get the foo package |
| 01:17.36 | doub | jetscreamer: what does the "computer management", "disk (dunno the english name) managemnt" windows thing say about your partition ? |
| 01:17.47 | Compy | When upgrading to sarge in apt-get dist-upgrade, why do I get this error and how can it be fixed? dpkg: error processing /var/cache/apt/archives/flex_2.5.31-31_i386.deb (--unpack): subprocess pre-installation script returned error exit status 1 |
| 01:17.58 | prahal | mlalkaka: -4 not --4 :) |
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| 01:18.05 | jetscreamer | doub, it does the usual linux fs thing, unknown or whatever.. this is only on boot mind. |
| 01:18.06 | shingouz | yeah, foo is not even in unstable or experimental, it is in the "crashing" ;) |
| 01:18.13 | narcmann | hehe |
| 01:18.28 | mlalkaka | prahal, i did do "-4" not "--4" |
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| 01:18.47 | jetscreamer | ext2fs.exe reads it also, from windows |
| 01:18.48 | stew | Compy: apt-get is broken for woody->sarge, use aptitude instead |
| 01:18.56 | Compy | ah thats why |
| 01:18.58 | Compy | Thanks |
| 01:19.04 | jetscreamer | !dselect |
| 01:19.04 | dpkg | it has been said that dselect is a wonderful UI for package management. or really more powerful than apt-get or the only thing that provides FULL data when making decisions on whether to install a package. most people should not hate dselect but some seem to have been told to. just read the help screens, or <Ozzie> is there a dselect howto? - Yes there is: ... |
| 01:19.08 | prahal | oups sorry , did you said you hva bind9-host (not bind8 one) ? |
| 01:19.21 | stew | i assume dselect works too, the DWN recommended aptitude |
| 01:19.24 | prahal | <PROTECTED> |
| 01:19.24 | prahal | www.topcities.com is an alias for topcities.com. |
| 01:19.29 | prahal | and so on |
| 01:19.31 | doub | jetscreamer: so there. so you know better than quite anyone about this, in fact |
| 01:19.38 | jetscreamer | i'll probably have to hexedit the hd |
| 01:19.54 | mlalkaka | prahal, yes i have bind9-host. i would use bind8 as per your suggestion but some other packages seem to rely on it. |
| 01:20.02 | narcmann | jetscreamer: whats the problem?? |
| 01:20.10 | jetscreamer | doub, i'm probably the person who most reinstalls both linux ans windows repeatedly, sometimes because i'm bored |
| 01:20.53 | inc|freaky | how can i enable realtime cabatibilities ? in my kernel? for starting jackd |
| 01:20.56 | jetscreamer | narcmann, some bit is set in the mbr telling windows that my ext3 partion/fs is fat32 so windows tries to chkdsk it every reboot.. works normally after boot, bot lin and win |
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| 01:21.05 | jetscreamer | s/bot/both/ |
| 01:21.13 | nevyn | inc|freaky: change the permissions on /dev/misc/rtc |
| 01:21.20 | stew | jetscreamer: what partition type is it? |
| 01:21.24 | narcmann | jetscreamer: thats like... weird |
| 01:21.31 | oigres | I'm using iptables to do port forwarding between two machines. I'm trying things like: iptables -t nat -A PREROUTING -d 1.2.3.4 -p tcp --dport 80 -j DNAT --to 192.168.1.1 and I don't seem to get anywhere... Is there a module one has to load or what am I doing wrong? |
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| 01:21.32 | prahal | mlalkaka: nope bind9 is better (more secure) than 8 , but i don't understand why your host program does not support -4 when mine does |
| 01:21.33 | jetscreamer | atm, it's ext3.. / even |
| 01:21.43 | jetscreamer | and i'm on it |
| 01:22.00 | abrotman | 9 is leaps and bounds better than 8 |
| 01:22.04 | jetscreamer | zeroing out the hd is how i've fixed it in the past |
| 01:22.05 | doub | jetscreamer: i bet you're not alone in this case. i happen to only install windows in vmware, to avoid much trouble |
| 01:22.10 | inc|freaky | ls: /dev/misc/rtc: No such file or directory |
| 01:22.20 | stew | jetscreamer: the partition type, not the filesystem type |
| 01:22.25 | inc|freaky | nevyn |
| 01:22.25 | jetscreamer | 82 |
| 01:22.30 | jetscreamer | linux |
| 01:22.35 | stew | 82 is swap |
| 01:22.42 | jetscreamer | err 83 then oops |
| 01:22.43 | mlalkaka | prahal, i have bind9-host version 9.2.4-1. what version do you have? |
| 01:22.52 | nevyn | inc|freaky: /dev/rtc maybe my mind is devfsified |
| 01:22.53 | jetscreamer | it's / and i'm running sid on it now |
| 01:22.57 | jetscreamer | and typing here |
| 01:23.01 | prahal | mlalkaka: i just said that you should do without bind(8 or 9) if you don't have a lot of box to manage , the less program , the less bugs |
| 01:23.22 | inc|freaky | nevyn: perms are: crw-rw-r-- |
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| 01:23.28 | inc|freaky | what should i cahnge it to? |
| 01:23.33 | petemc | inc|freaky: modprobe gen-rtc |
| 01:23.51 | prahal | 9.3.0+9.3.1beta2-1 from experimental , but i used -4 a year ago when there was no experimental ... |
| 01:23.56 | narcmann | jetscreamer: does it choke when it chdsks it? |
| 01:23.57 | mlalkaka | prahal, i know i never manually installed bind9-host. it was on my system before. it's needed by gnome. i only installed the package "bind". i even removed that now |
| 01:24.01 | petemc | or is it genrtc |
| 01:24.01 | prahal | a sec i try downgrading |
| 01:24.11 | yoshio | Resonant: apt-cache show esound |
| 01:24.26 | jetscreamer | narcmann, it notices that it's not really fat32 after all and asks me if i want to abort... thank god |
| 01:24.30 | inc|freaky | petemc: FATAL: Error inserting genrtc (/lib/modules/2.6.8-2-k7/kernel/drivers/char/genrtc.ko): Device or resource busy |
| 01:24.54 | inc|freaky | petemc: what can i do about it? |
| 01:24.59 | jetscreamer | but it would let me continue :/ |
| 01:24.59 | petemc | inc|freaky: lsmod |
| 01:25.32 | petemc | inc|freaky: is it loaded already? |
| 01:25.36 | inc|freaky | rtc 12728 0 |
| 01:25.52 | inc|freaky | petemc ;) |
| 01:25.53 | jetscreamer | i know it's some damn bit ms sets in the raw free hd space in the partiton... something something.... that's probably not documented |
| 01:25.54 | prahal | mlalkaka: yes gnome have gnome-nettool using it , not a bad tool |
| 01:25.55 | narcmann | jetscreamer: im not near a winbox but did you look in control->admin tools->system manger thing->disk managment? |
| 01:25.56 | petemc | inc|freaky: try rmmod rtc |
| 01:26.11 | jetscreamer | narcmann, yeah it's normal |
| 01:26.17 | inc|freaky | petemc: worked. |
| 01:26.35 | oigres | I'm using iptables to do port forwarding between two machines. I'm trying things like: iptables -t nat -A PREROUTING -d 1.2.3.4 -p tcp --dport 80 -j DNAT --to 192.168.1.1 and I don't seem to get anywhere... Is there a module one has to load or what am I doing wrong? |
| 01:26.35 | jetscreamer | normal as in normal for linux partitons in there |
| 01:26.39 | petemc | inc|freaky: so load genrtc and see if jackd is happy |
| 01:27.33 | inc|freaky | petemc: cant get realtime cabatibilities |
| 01:27.44 | inc|freaky | :( |
| 01:27.46 | jetscreamer | and i have a nice clean cruft free / partition and really don't want to low level format it just to fix lame ass windows bork... course cfdisk should have unset this bit |
| 01:28.01 | petemc | inc|freaky: pass |
| 01:28.05 | FieldySnuts | it's windows. likes to fuck hardware up |
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| 01:28.18 | inc|freaky | petemc: huh? |
| 01:28.32 | jetscreamer | still, this needs to not bork, bad for business |
| 01:28.44 | narcmann | windows will like.... work... sometimes |
| 01:28.46 | prahal | mlalkaka: sorry you are right only the experimental version support it |
| 01:28.49 | petemc | jetscreamer: dding /dev/zero into the first part of the disk will blow away any partitions it has |
| 01:28.54 | abrotman | oigres: #iptables |
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| 01:28.59 | doub | oigres: just look at the NAT howto in /usr/share/doc/iptables/html/ |
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| 01:29.07 | doub | oigres: everything's in there |
| 01:29.22 | mlalkaka | prahal, oh. then what should i try |
| 01:29.23 | daww | can I find programs like dc++ via apt sources? |
| 01:29.26 | oigres | doub: That's exactly where I am and I can't get it to work... Sniff, sniff.. |
| 01:29.35 | abrotman | like distc++ ? |
| 01:29.38 | jim | what's dc++? |
| 01:29.43 | narcmann | !dc |
| 01:29.43 | dpkg | rumour has it, dc is how I spell cd, or direct current, or bc's backend, or 2b2b2b617468300d |
| 01:29.46 | abrotman | !tell daww about search |
| 01:29.51 | abrotman | !distc |
| 01:29.53 | narcmann | dc is some peer to peer crap |
| 01:29.54 | doub | oigres: what do you want to do, exactly ? |
| 01:29.54 | abrotman | !distc++ |
| 01:29.58 | abrotman | bah .. fuck it . .i give up |
| 01:29.59 | FieldySnuts | narcmann got it |
| 01:30.00 | prahal | mlalkaka: you could try http://packages.debian.org/experimental/net/bind9-host |
| 01:30.01 | abrotman | !distcc |
| 01:30.06 | FieldySnuts | some warez kiddie tool |
| 01:30.15 | abrotman | oh .. it's not even cool ? |
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| 01:30.28 | deadcat | what basic software to play an audio cd? no clue |
| 01:30.29 | petemc | oigres: iptables -t nat -A PREROUTING -p tcp --dport 333 -j DNAT --to 10.0.19.139:22 is what i use to forward ssh requests to port 333 to an internal host |
| 01:30.30 | jetscreamer | dcgui? sux |
| 01:30.31 | FieldySnuts | no idea, if i need warez i just steal hard drives. |
| 01:30.31 | narcmann | its not 00ba ubaa |
| 01:30.32 | daww | narcmann, =), what is prefered on linux |
| 01:30.33 | FieldySnuts | kidding. |
| 01:30.40 | narcmann | i dunno... gnutella? |
| 01:30.43 | mlalkaka | prahal, after using it could i downgrade back to my original? |
| 01:30.45 | PerfDave | dc is Direct Connect, a hub-oriented file distribution system used pretty much exclusively for warez. |
| 01:30.54 | jetscreamer | use gift or bittornado |
| 01:30.57 | jetscreamer | !giFT |
| 01:30.58 | dpkg | methinks gift is a modular peer-to-peer file sharing daemon, with plugins for OpenFT and Gnutella, and others unofficially (including FastTrack). Now in sid! ubersimple! See also gift.sourceforge.net and channels #gift and #gift-fasttrack. |
| 01:30.59 | FieldySnuts | yep. some warez kiddie tool |
| 01:31.05 | narcmann | apt-get install gtk-gnutella |
| 01:31.10 | prahal | mlalkaka: this is getting mad , maybe you should keep this issue for another day, if i am there i may have remenbered the fix , or somebody new may be there and knowing (if it is the alias thing i told you to restore after loading the module , the rebooting will fix it) |
| 01:31.17 | daww | PerfDave, what are you using instead of DC++ on Linux? |
| 01:31.31 | inc|freaky | did anyone ever get jackd to run? |
| 01:31.34 | doub | oigres: maybe replace your '-d' param with a '-i' one. smells better |
| 01:31.41 | PerfDave | daww: Uhm, I don't use DC at all. |
| 01:31.46 | jim | inc|freaky: jack audio connection kit? |
| 01:31.47 | PerfDave | daww: never have |
| 01:31.50 | jim | yeah |
| 01:32.07 | daww | PerfDave, No I get that, but have you used some p2p program on linux? |
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| 01:32.25 | inc|freaky | jim: yea |
| 01:32.27 | prahal | mlalkaka: yes using aptitude or apt-get install bind9-host=wantedversion (here bind9-host=1:9.2.4-1) |
| 01:32.34 | beardy | deadcat: apt-cache search "cd player" |
| 01:32.41 | jim | inc|freaky: yep... ardour needed it |
| 01:33.00 | PerfDave | daww: I've used bittorrent and bittornado, played with nicotine |
| 01:33.02 | oigres | doub: I've tried all that. I'll try now what petemc suggested, without any -d or -i .... Thanks anyway |
| 01:33.14 | deadcat | beardy: xine is doing it. took so long. |
| 01:33.18 | jim | so I built jack, ardour, ssm, some ladspa plugins... |
| 01:33.20 | oigres | doub: Is there any special module one needs to load for port forwarding? |
| 01:33.51 | prahal | mlalkaka: you can do it safely as it is a small program with no libraries or such things shared with other program (and it uses the libs from unstable) |
| 01:33.55 | jim | and made weird noises with ssm which I recorded using ardour :) |
| 01:34.07 | oigres | petemc: Thanks, I've tried what you suggested but with a -i and a -d on it. Do you know if I have to load a certain module? |
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| 01:34.15 | doub | oigres: not that i know of, but i'm no iptables expert |
| 01:34.32 | oigres | doub: Ok, tx! |
| 01:34.51 | deadcat | xfonts-intl-phonetic - International fonts for X -- Phonetic Alphabet <-- this what i need to see foreign chars in xine or firefox? |
| 01:34.56 | jim | oigres: the iptables stuff is usually modulized, and modules get loaded as they are used |
| 01:35.02 | petemc | oigres: you need a bit of stuff for iptables, yeah |
| 01:35.25 | oigres | All right, thanks for the info on the modules! |
| 01:35.26 | nevyn | deadcat: well the ones from the phonetic alphabet yes. |
| 01:35.35 | mlalkaka | prahal, alright. i'll try the experimental bind9-host and see what the -4 option gives me. if i can do anything with it i will. if not i'll leave it for another day. so if it is the alias thing you told me, then leaving the alias line to "alias net-pf-10 ipv6" and loading the module ipv6, and rebooting my computer should fix it? |
| 01:35.42 | deadcat | nevyn: cool. |
| 01:36.13 | nevyn | deadcat: it won't give you the kanji/katakana etc tho. |
| 01:36.17 | dbron | hi all, I found I need to recompile to get my vpn to work, After doing that I can't bring up wlan0, I used ndiswrappers for my 802.11g card, do I need to repeat that process for the new kernel or did I miss something else taht wlan0 is unavailable? |
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| 01:36.37 | jmd | In what package do I find dig ?? |
| 01:36.42 | deadcat | nevyn: k. |
| 01:36.46 | dbron | jmd: dnsutils |
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| 01:36.51 | deadcat | jmd: bind-utils |
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| 01:36.56 | prahal | mlalkaka: the -4 will give you an important information, if it is still slow your problem is not the ipv6, yes about the reboot |
| 01:37.00 | deadcat | doh |
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| 01:37.36 | mlalkaka | prahal, alright. thank you soo much for your help. i really appreciate it :) |
| 01:37.40 | prahal | dnsutils |
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| 01:38.16 | prahal | well deadcat dbron could you share your brand of coffee :) |
| 01:38.26 | dbron | heh |
| 01:38.27 | prahal | mlalkaka: cheers |
| 01:38.30 | Thanatermesis | doub, hi |
| 01:38.45 | Thanatermesis | doub_, is posible entry en #elive please ? |
| 01:38.47 | deadcat | prahal: not a coffee drinker |
| 01:39.04 | deadcat | (= |
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| 01:40.02 | narcmann | bleh, we need to get some Tim Hortons down here |
| 01:40.13 | darkcmd | so after sarge is released... 64bit optimized packages will be in sid and testing? |
| 01:40.30 | CancerberoX | Hi! I'm trying to install the latest version of debian on a machine with windows xp, but the installation program hangs up... What could be wrong? |
| 01:40.31 | dvs | narcmann: My home town of 70000 has seven of them. |
| 01:40.38 | narcmann | dvs: canada? |
| 01:40.47 | dvs | narcmann: good guess! |
| 01:40.56 | abrotman | dvs: too much inbreeding |
| 01:41.00 | dvs | ha! |
| 01:41.04 | narcmann | dvs: You are never 1 mile from a Tim Hortons in canada |
| 01:41.06 | cafuego | darkcmd: Yes, in that therer will be a full amd64 debian flavour. |
| 01:41.21 | cafuego | darkcmd: I've found that in the mean time, Ubuntu AMD64 is a nice solution :-) |
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| 01:41.24 | dvs | narcmann: ;-) |
| 01:41.46 | abrotman | the unofficial pure64 works fine |
| 01:42.08 | narcmann | dvs: Tim's hot chocolate cappuchino is really really good |
| 01:42.30 | dvs | narcmann: The Iced Capp is my favorite |
| 01:42.31 | cafuego | abrotman: Yes, have they fixed alioth yet or is that still a slow and unstable piece of poo? |
| 01:42.45 | darkcmd | cafuego, people running testing.. on standard x86 hardware.. will they notice the 64bit packages.. or anything. |
| 01:42.49 | darkcmd | like in apt and such |
| 01:42.54 | darkcmd | or will apt and such remain the same |
| 01:42.54 | abrotman | cafuego: it was ok the other day when i was getting crap on it |
| 01:42.58 | cafuego | darkcmd: it will be faster in some cases. |
| 01:43.17 | cafuego | darkcmd: it's still faster than a same speed 32bit cpu even at running 32bit code. |
| 01:43.34 | cafuego | (as in, over twice as fast at say processing video) |
| 01:43.53 | prahal | darkcmd: apt get really fast on sata/1G ram ... as most 64b box have those , you llhave them |
| 01:44.20 | cafuego | prahal: Uh, that depends on what components you buy eh? |
| 01:44.28 | narcmann | apt-cache search shows amd 64 kernels |
| 01:44.40 | darkcmd | cafuego, i mean.. say I'm running x86 testing.. after sarge freezes.. will i notice the 64bit packages |
| 01:44.41 | cafuego | abrotman: it's only a 2800+ with 512Mb ram. |
| 01:44.48 | cafuego | darkcmd: No. |
| 01:44.49 | darkcmd | or will apt and such filter them out for me |
| 01:45.08 | narcmann | sata is bs |
| 01:45.11 | cafuego | darkcmd: You'll need to do some fiddling to upgrade the WHOLE machine to 64bit. |
| 01:45.15 | darkcmd | cafuego, so I will notice the 64bit packages, or not? |
| 01:45.17 | prahal | ? i meant that apt bottleneck was swapping and io access (they are spread all over the process, it is safer for the data but better have a fast drive |
| 01:45.20 | abrotman | !multiarch |
| 01:45.21 | abrotman | bah |
| 01:45.33 | narcmann | sata raid 0 is a different story though |
| 01:45.38 | darkcmd | !tell darkcmd multiarch |
| 01:45.42 | darkcmd | lol |
| 01:45.45 | cafuego | raid0 is for idiots |
| 01:45.45 | abrotman | raid0 is never ever a good idea |
| 01:45.51 | abrotman | !cafuego++ |
| 01:46.18 | narcmann | abrotman: i have all my stuff saved on my linux box anyway, and i backup to dvd |
| 01:46.19 | prahal | only for recording hdtv , and better backup it afterwards |
| 01:46.22 | cafuego | people who use on-mobo winraid chips use raid0 |
| 01:46.28 | narcmann | raid0 in the windows desktop |
| 01:46.34 | cafuego | narcmann: I rest my case. |
| 01:46.38 | darkcmd | ok.. if I'm running x86 32bit procs.. and I'm running testing once 64bit comes in... will it show multiple packages one being 32bit, and one being 64bit in the search? |
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| 01:46.40 | abrotman | narcmann: RAID0 is for people who are too cheap to buy real hardware |
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| 01:46.46 | abrotman | and are dumb |
| 01:46.50 | narcmann | erm... no |
| 01:46.55 | abrotman | erm .. yes |
| 01:46.57 | darkcmd | or will it probably only run on the people that installed with a special 64bit option.. in the installer or something |
| 01:47.00 | cafuego | abrotman: No, since with the SAME hardware they could run raid1 <heh> |
| 01:47.05 | narcmann | im not spending a ton of money on hard disks that just fucking die anyway |
| 01:47.09 | darkcmd | i mean the 64bit packages |
| 01:47.10 | abrotman | cafuego: well .. at least that makes more sense |
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| 01:47.23 | prahal | cafuego: one of my coworker had a nice ntfs corruption , thanks we retrieve all the data but no way to restore the system |
| 01:47.30 | cafuego | darkcmd: Go and read the docs on alioth, they'll know. Alternatively try #debian-amd64 |
| 01:47.35 | abrotman | narcmann: right .. you fucking moron .. so you run RAID0 .. which if one drive fails .. all your data goes byebye |
| 01:47.37 | prahal | and it was one for 3 boxes |
| 01:47.38 | Phated | cafuego: He's going to say "raid0 is for people who are too stupid to buy real hardware or run raid1"... ;) |
| 01:47.49 | narcmann | abrotman: I don't rely on my hard disks for storage |
| 01:47.50 | darkcmd | cafe_roy, where are the docs at? |
| 01:47.56 | ajordao_ | i can access a pendrive in /dev/sda1, but when putting a mp3 player/pen in USB the /dev/sda1 doesn't work, anyone has an idea ? |
| 01:48.06 | abrotman | narcmann: you're getting dumber with everything you say .. stop now |
| 01:48.06 | narcmann | abrotman: eveything is backup up to dvd and i ghost my windows installtion |
| 01:48.16 | JohnGH | Is it possible to import PDF files into scribus, or do you need filters, or is that functionality disabled in Sarge because of freeness reasons? |
| 01:48.22 | PerfDave | ajordao_: Read /var/log/messages and see what device ID the mp3 player is given |
| 01:48.23 | cafuego | narcmann: If the drives DIE anyway, running raid0 is an even dumber thing to do. AT least use decent hdds for it. |
| 01:48.30 | ajordao_ | PerfDave, ok |
| 01:48.37 | abrotman | !flw30 is <narcmann> abrotman: I don't rely on my hard disks for storage |
| 01:48.37 | dpkg | okay, abrotman |
| 01:48.46 | narcmann | abrotman, stfu |
| 01:48.51 | abrotman | narcmann: i already said .. you sohuld be quiet now :) |
| 01:48.57 | narcmann | um... no |
| 01:49.00 | abrotman | oh .. i got an stfu .. i feel special |
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| 01:49.05 | narcmann | raid0 is for performance, thats what i use it for |
| 01:49.17 | narcmann | its not ment to be redundant |
| 01:49.29 | narcmann | if i wanted redundancy id go raid5 |
| 01:49.31 | cafuego | narcmann: No, like we said earlier, raid0 is for is for idiots |
| 01:49.48 | abrotman | cafuego: should i max out your karma ? :) |
| 01:50.03 | cafuego | abrotman: I don't deserve karma. |
| 01:50.18 | abrotman | narcmann: performance for what? .. edonkeysharepiratingappoftheweek ? |
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| 01:50.38 | abrotman | video editing? |
| 01:50.45 | narcmann | abrotman: video |
| 01:50.50 | cafuego | JohnGH: afaik scrbus cannot open PDFs full stop. |
| 01:50.50 | abrotman | watching? |
| 01:50.59 | abrotman | gpdf or xpdf |
| 01:51.04 | narcmann | abrotman: i just don't want to spend tons of money on hard disks |
| 01:51.06 | cafuego | abrotman: .. for editing. |
| 01:51.15 | narcmann | abrotman: that will die eventually anyway |
| 01:51.19 | abrotman | he didn't specify editing |
| 01:51.21 | PerfDave | !tell ajordao_ -about msg |
| 01:51.22 | abrotman | he just said video |
| 01:51.28 | cafuego | narcmann: My cheap sata drive is MORE than fast enough for non-linear editing |
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| 01:51.55 | prahal | i love those new windows box with raid0 , just wait a few weeks for the first bad thing (especially for photoshop mx users with 3G swap) and you got a freeway for linux/mac buyout :) |
| 01:51.57 | cafuego | Hell, the 20MB/s scsi-2 drive in the Mac is fast enough for that. |
| 01:52.10 | abrotman | and unless i'm mistaken(and i could be ..) .. wouldn't it be easier to just buy a pile of RAM for editing video ? |
| 01:52.11 | daww | How can I check the version of wxpython (I'd just runned "apt-get install wxpython")? |
| 01:52.11 | narcmann | narcmann: my board has sata 0/1 built in anyway, not like i bought another controller |
| 01:52.12 | JohnGH | cafuego: thanks for answering... many places on Google say that it can import them... but then there are many pages on Google asking how to... and none saying how |
| 01:52.23 | narcmann | bleh |
| 01:52.29 | abrotman | espeically since your fucking win-raid controller is sapping your CPU to store on your "fast" RAID0 ? |
| 01:52.31 | cafuego | JohnGH: *import* is another matter, let me see... |
| 01:52.46 | narcmann | abgrotman: its got a gig of pc3200 |
| 01:52.51 | abrotman | cafuego: am i right? |
| 01:53.01 | abrotman | narcmann: you're losing performance by running raid0 :) |
| 01:53.29 | prahal | abrotman: fast and unreliable ! guess what happen when the swap file is corrupted |
| 01:53.33 | abrotman | narcmann: if you've got so much ram .. how much swapping do you do ? |
| 01:53.41 | ajordao_ | PerfDave, sorry |
| 01:53.55 | cafuego | abrotman: Yes, leeching cpu cycles whilst processing video isn't a smart thing to be doing. |
| 01:53.57 | abrotman | how big are your videos ? |
| 01:54.03 | narcmann | abrotman: I don't remember the benchmarks, but i get a decent increase |
| 01:54.22 | prahal | abrotman: with photoshop mx graphic designer often have 3G files nowadays |
| 01:54.25 | abrotman | narcmann: i seriously doubt it |
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| 01:54.48 | abrotman | prahal: he hasn't specified .. you can only guess just like i am |
| 01:54.51 | prahal | they merged everything in the folders as if it was a database :) |
| 01:55.01 | cafuego | prahal: They virtually all run on Dual G5 Macs, though. |
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| 01:55.11 | ajordao_ | PerfDave, it was to do not flood the channel, please help me |
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| 01:55.26 | cafuego | JohnGH: I seem to be able to import and place PDF, but it's just showing up as grey. |
| 01:55.26 | narcmann | abrotman: the boost from pata to sata is minimal, wait for sata-300 |
| 01:55.34 | CryptoDebian | what |
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| 01:55.38 | CryptoDebian | ok |
| 01:55.48 | CryptoDebian | can anybody see me? |
| 01:55.50 | Hiryu | anyone else have trouble with udev not creating the sound device files? |
| 01:55.54 | abrotman | narcmann: which you don't have |
| 01:55.58 | narcmann | CryptoDebian: no, nobody can see you |
| 01:56.03 | Hiryu | udev+alsa seems broken |
| 01:56.06 | CryptoDebian | oh.. ok |
| 01:56.14 | PerfDave | !tell ajordao_ -about paste |
| 01:56.16 | CryptoDebian | I need help with Debian desperately |
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| 01:56.22 | abrotman | narcmann: so basically .. you've not proven your point :) |
| 01:56.22 | prahal | narcmann: that s why a lot of OEM sells those winraid , user thinks the os has improved as they got the same with unreliable storage |
| 01:56.23 | CryptoDebian | in Spanish or English |
| 01:56.24 | djo | hello |
| 01:56.33 | cafuego | abrotman: I can't speak for narcmann, but there seemed to be no real perormance difference bwteen 1 and 1.5GB ram when editing 8GB DV video files. |
| 01:56.34 | PerfDave | !es |
| 01:56.34 | dpkg | Hispanohablantes: Por favor usen #debian-es, alli obtendran mas ayuda. Spanish Speakers: Please use #debian-es, there you will get much more help. |
| 01:56.45 | djo | does linux kernel support ufs files sytems read/write ? |
| 01:56.52 | abrotman | cafuego: i'm so surprised |
| 01:56.55 | ajordao_ | PerfDave, ok, can you see then my message in #flood ? |
| 01:56.59 | Biovore | djo: yup |
| 01:56.59 | CryptoDebian | can I open another channel with the Spanish channel? |
| 01:56.59 | Hiryu | djo: the write support is dangerous |
| 01:57.02 | narcmann | prahal: I don't care about the reliability |
| 01:57.11 | abrotman | and i still contend RAID0 is for poopieheads |
| 01:57.20 | narcmann | abrotman: im not a poopyhead :( |
| 01:57.44 | JohnGH | cafuego: Can you tell me what menu options you used please? |
| 01:57.45 | abrotman | narcmann: but you're a narc! |
| 01:57.51 | prahal | narcmann: sure if you backup everything (which i would do if i could find a way to backup 200G data in a fast and cheap way (home devel box) |
| 01:57.58 | PerfDave | ajordao_: No, I'm not in #flood, 'cause I'm off to bed. Hopefully someone else will be able to help you. |
| 01:58.02 | cafuego | JohnGH: File -> Import (EPS) -> Any file -> Choose PDF... |
| 01:58.03 | narcmann | abrotman: a pot smoking narc |
| 01:58.14 | djo | <Hiryu> djo: the write support is dangerous <--- why ? |
| 01:58.16 | abrotman | heh |
| 01:58.20 | CryptoDebian | I am trying to install Debian on a laptop |
| 01:58.22 | CryptoDebian | but I don |
| 01:58.30 | CryptoDebian | I don't know how to make the first step |
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| 01:58.40 | ajordao_ | PerfDave, errr its quick, |
| 01:58.40 | CryptoDebian | I wanna be able to boot out my hard disk |
| 01:58.41 | PerfDave | CryptoDebian: Read the Installation Manual |
| 01:58.50 | CryptoDebian | I did |
| 01:58.55 | narcmann | lol |
| 01:59.01 | CryptoDebian | my question is reather more specific |
| 01:59.01 | JohnGH | cafuego: oh great, thank you - hidden under a non-labelled menu option |
| 01:59.20 | narcmann | CryptoDebian: boot out your harddisk? |
| 01:59.23 | cafuego | JohnGH: ;-) |
| 01:59.39 | CryptoDebian | yeah, using some GRUB or LILO thing |
| 01:59.50 | narcmann | CryptoDebian: did you install debian? |
| 01:59.52 | jim | CryptoDebian: raise foot, move forward, lower foot |
| 02:00.01 | ajordao_ | can someone tell me, what device /dev/ should i use to mount this device: kernel: Attached scsi removable disk sda at scsi1, channel 0, id 0, lun 0 |
| 02:00.03 | prahal | narcmann: i have nothing against raid0 , just that i plan on having one disk for the system / safe data and others for fast recording/editing in raid0. I don't see the point in having /usr /boot in raid0 , maybe /var but its data is realtime, backup would not help much |
| 02:00.05 | CryptoDebian | narco: no I didn't |
| 02:00.10 | CryptoDebian | not yet |
| 02:00.18 | narcmann | prahal: this is a win box |
| 02:00.24 | jim | CryptoDebian: do you have files on there you want to save? |
| 02:00.26 | CryptoDebian | I have the .ISO images on my hard disk |
| 02:00.31 | CryptoDebian | not really |
| 02:00.32 | JohnGH | I read here: http://dot.kde.org/1108130774/ it seems to be saying you can't do it... |
| 02:00.36 | narcmann | CryptoDebian: burn em to cd and boot the cd |
| 02:00.38 | CryptoDebian | I wanna make a clean install |
| 02:00.46 | CryptoDebian | na I don't have a burner |
| 02:00.51 | yoshio | daww: dpkg -l wxpython |
| 02:00.53 | jim | so you are ok with WIPING the whole thing? |
| 02:01.10 | JohnGH | cafuego: When I import I just get lots of lines. |
| 02:01.13 | jim | because that's what the install will do... WIPE YOUR HD CLEAN |
| 02:01.16 | jim | you ok with that? |
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| 02:01.29 | CryptoDebian | jim: YIKES |
| 02:01.41 | narcmann | prahal: and i don't have tons of gigs to save anyway, which is why backing up to dvd isn't a problem |
| 02:01.42 | cafuego | JohnGH: Yes, I think it's just not (very well) supported. |
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| 02:01.51 | yoshio | ajordao_: fdisk -l /dev/sda to see the partitions (as root), then mount /dev/sda1 or whichever partition you want |
| 02:01.56 | CryptoDebian | jim: so I can't put some files on some partition on the end of my hard disk? |
| 02:02.16 | jim | you could, yes... IF you have unpartitioned space |
| 02:02.28 | xnotte | yoshio, FATAL ERROR: Bad primary partition 0: Partition begins after end-of-disk |
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| 02:02.41 | CryptoDebian | jim: mmm... unpatiotioned? |
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| 02:03.00 | enigmus | how is it possible to know which process is listening to a given port? |
| 02:03.04 | CryptoDebian | wait... where do I put my .ISO files on the hard disk? |
| 02:03.05 | JohnGH | cafuego: *sigh* oh well... pages say that kword can import them, but I avoid KDE like the plage... I wonder if it works on Knoppix - I could do that - but I don't want KDE on my laptop permanently |
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| 02:03.20 | CryptoDebian | in order to boot from them directly? |
| 02:03.21 | gradzac | enigmus: use netstat |
| 02:03.27 | prahal | narcmann: well i understand why you saw such speedup in raid0, the registry is so bloated you could have x2 in gui responsivness |
| 02:03.28 | jim | CryptoDebian: you should consider backing up entire drive |
| 02:03.43 | narcmann | CryptoDebian: you can't boot from an iso image on a hard disk, as far as i know |
| 02:03.46 | cafuego | But the real problem is that you're using WIndows. |
| 02:03.53 | abrotman | enigmus: fuser |
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| 02:03.53 | jim | and you should consider getting a burner and a tape drive |
| 02:03.57 | abrotman | fuser -n tcp port# |
| 02:03.57 | CryptoDebian | I'm using windows |
| 02:04.02 | Biovore | your screwed |
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| 02:04.05 | cafuego | That's NEARLY as bad as using raid0 on a Winraid |
| 02:04.10 | djo | so how can I add ufs fs support to my kernel ? |
| 02:04.20 | CryptoDebian | Jim: so I can't install Debian then? |
| 02:04.29 | narcmann | i just use the windows box for games and some video/audio work |
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| 02:04.37 | djo | it's said (read only) in the make menuconfig :( |
| 02:04.38 | Biovore | you will need to make a CD to install debian |
| 02:04.55 | JohnGH | cafuego: Thanks for your help, I'll be off now - night night |
| 02:04.56 | jim | CryptoDebian: not saying that... but I am saying that if you install now, you take the risk of losing the contents of your entire drive |
| 02:04.57 | Biovore | write support is dangrous.. It messes up sometimes |
| 02:05.12 | xnotte | doing "cfdisk /dev/sda" it says " FATAL ERROR: Bad primary partition 0: Partition begins after end-of-disk" what should i do ?! |
| 02:05.23 | enigmus | abrotman : ok, thanks |
| 02:05.28 | CryptoDebian | BIOVORE: not really on the installation MANUAL it mentions that it is possible to install from the Hard Drive |
| 02:05.35 | jim | CryptoDebian: is there any way you could get a second drive? |
| 02:05.42 | Biovore | yeah.. but thats not an ISO on a HD |
| 02:05.52 | CryptoDebian | Jim: no $$$$ for that |
| 02:05.59 | prahal | what do you think about tomboy ? i got addicted in 3 days , i hope more stuff liek that comes out |
| 02:06.09 | jim | then you're left with risky procedures |
| 02:06.10 | CryptoDebian | Jim: I don't care wiping out the entire windows crap |
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| 02:06.13 | yoshio | xnotte: cfdisk -z |
| 02:06.17 | narcmann | CryptoDebian: you'd have to mount the iso and copy its contents to a partition, even then, you still need something to boot from |
| 02:06.28 | jim | CryptoDebian: what is your network connection? |
| 02:06.35 | abrotman | raid0 still sucks :) |
| 02:06.41 | Biovore | CryptoDebian: you have other computers on the network? |
| 02:06.44 | jim | CryptoDebian: got a floppy drive for the laptop? |
| 02:06.49 | Biovore | network instal.. possibly |
| 02:06.49 | CryptoDebian | narco: how do I mount that on the partition? |
| 02:07.01 | CryptoDebian | jim: no floppy on the laptop |
| 02:07.09 | CryptoDebian | only a CD-reader |
| 02:07.14 | narcmann | cryptodebian: mount -t iso9660 isofile mountpoint -o loop |
| 02:07.40 | CryptoDebian | narco: but is that in the MS-DOS command? |
| 02:07.46 | xnotte | yoshio, thx |
| 02:07.47 | narcmann | cryptodebian: er.. no |
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| 02:08.06 | hulis | lol |
| 02:08.17 | jim | CryptoDebian: you have options... I'm just not sure what they are yet :) |
| 02:08.20 | CryptoDebian | narco: then... will GRUB help? or something similar? |
| 02:08.25 | narcmann | jim: lol |
| 02:08.28 | inc|freaky | when trying to use aconnectgui it says: ALSA lib seq_hw.c:446:(snd_seq_hw_open) open /dev/snd/seq failed: No such file or directory ... what am i doing wrong or what am i missing? |
| 02:08.39 | Biovore | CryptoDebian: Dose your box support PXE? |
| 02:08.46 | CryptoDebian | jim: I know sort what are the tools, I just don't know in what order the go together |
| 02:09.34 | narcmann | cryptodebian: got a floppy drive in the laptop? |
| 02:09.56 | jim | CryptoDebian: there might be a zero-floppy option for a sarge install... what is your network connection to the laptop? what is your network connection outside your house? |
| 02:09.57 | Biovore | they have floppy install for debian? |
| 02:10.02 | jim | yep |
| 02:10.02 | Biovore | (sarge) |
| 02:10.19 | CryptoDebian | narco: nope, only a CD-read, and really I am not loaded $$$$$$$$ like Bill Gates to be getting new hardware |
| 02:10.19 | darkcmd | ok.. so the only people that will be able to install the new 64bit stuff.. I mean see it by default.. will be the people installing with the 64bit installer.. after sarge goes stable |
| 02:10.20 | darkcmd | right |
| 02:10.20 | jim | Biovore: two floppies |
| 02:10.25 | CryptoDebian | I'm homeless |
| 02:10.25 | Biovore | ah.. coolies.. |
| 02:10.33 | narcmann | no floppy drive, no burner... |
| 02:10.38 | narcmann | erm... |
| 02:10.42 | jim | and no network? |
| 02:10.46 | CryptoDebian | narco: no nothing |
| 02:10.47 | Biovore | sell the computer and get a meal that MCDonals |
| 02:10.47 | narcmann | buy a cd set |
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| 02:10.59 | CryptoDebian | I hate McDonalds |
| 02:11.02 | maher | CryptoDebian: can you boot of the cd drive? |
| 02:11.12 | CryptoDebian | I rather catch a Pigeon and cook it up |
| 02:11.16 | narcmann | CryptoDebian: any 99cent value menue will do |
| 02:11.22 | jim | CryptoDebian: how is it you are on this channel? |
| 02:11.24 | yoshio | CryptoDebian: find an install fest |
| 02:11.28 | thingfish | I've eaten pigeon before, it's good. |
| 02:11.34 | narcmann | pegeon is ratish |
| 02:11.39 | CryptoDebian | maher I can boot from the CD drive, but I have the .ISO files on the hard drive |
| 02:11.39 | narcmann | pigeon* |
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| 02:11.43 | jim | CryptoDebian: how is it you are on this channel? |
| 02:11.46 | Biovore | goto your local LUG.. they will hook you up.. |
| 02:11.55 | jim | thereyago |
| 02:12.06 | CryptoDebian | jim what do you mean |
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| 02:12.08 | calin | OMG!?!?! Where's maher!?!??! |
| 02:12.19 | CryptoDebian | from DEBIAN SUPPORT page |
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| 02:12.24 | maher | CryptoDebian: buy a cd from an online store - it will cost < usd5 and take a couple of days to arrive... |
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| 02:12.27 | CryptoDebian | links to this place |
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| 02:12.30 | siimo | hi, for custom compiled kernels, does anyone know if debian init scripts actually need an initrd image ? |
| 02:12.34 | jim | CryptoDebian: no network... no home... how are you here if you do not have a network connection? |
| 02:12.49 | Biovore | CryptoDebian: what computer you using to view this IRC channel |
| 02:12.51 | CryptoDebian | jim: I am in school |
| 02:12.54 | maher | calin: here? |
| 02:12.55 | CryptoDebian | mine |
| 02:12.59 | Biovore | they have a CD burner? |
| 02:12.59 | CryptoDebian | laptop |
| 02:13.05 | CryptoDebian | yeah |
| 02:13.09 | CryptoDebian | but not the program |
| 02:13.14 | narcmann | jim: He's connected to the net useing a stenographer to right the packets on slips of paper and a series of small rodents and carrier pigeons to get them to the net |
| 02:13.16 | CryptoDebian | it's so... restricted |
| 02:13.20 | Biovore | nero, free trial |
| 02:13.22 | dondelelcaro | !rube goldberg install |
| 02:13.22 | dpkg | "Hi! I want to install Debian with a 2.6.x kernel on a machine, but I can't boot from floppies, and I can't boot from CD-ROM, and I have no network card. I have only a USB dot matrix printer and a punch card reader." |
| 02:13.22 | Biovore | :-) |
| 02:13.28 | shingouz | module-assistant works only on debianized modules and kernels and copying the spca5xx into /usr/src/modules does not let menuconfig see it at all. is there a (easy) way to set up the spca5xx module source into a debian package or should i this time just do the kernel the debian way and cp the spca5xx.ko resulting from the non-debian make into the /lib/modules/what/ever? |
| 02:13.31 | jim | ohhh... networking by shorthand! |
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| 02:13.43 | thingfish | lol usb dot matrix printer |
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| 02:13.52 | shingouz | (make-kpkg kernel-image running already) |
| 02:13.52 | calin | maher: hey, what's up? you live in texas? |
| 02:14.04 | CryptoDebian | mmm... |
| 02:14.13 | maher | calin: nothing is up and I don't live in texas |
| 02:14.13 | CryptoDebian | looks tough |
| 02:14.30 | calin | maher: i know someone who's first name is maher, goes to my school, sorry bout that |
| 02:14.54 | polm | I have just installed the "alsa-oss" package. I am running xmms with OSS output, and /dev/dsp is still being locked. I can gain simultaneous access via ALSA output, but not with OSS. My ~/.asoundrc looks ok, also. |
| 02:14.56 | maher | calin: np - maher is my surname.... |
| 02:15.12 | jim | shingouz: you would have to write the packaging infrastructure yourself, or copy it from an existing module package, or copy the source into the kernel source tree and alter one or more makefiles |
| 02:15.15 | polm | How can I ensure proper ALSA + DMIX + OSS support in Debian ? |
| 02:15.31 | siimo | polm, look up on soft dmixing |
| 02:15.47 | prahal | polm: dmix is for alsa output only (not oss emu) |
| 02:16.03 | Blissex | polm: http://tinyurl.com/4ogk2#sharing |
| 02:16.14 | siimo | polm, works fine here with alsa-oss |
| 02:16.25 | prahal | polm: i use dmix and esd to grab oss apps, little weird but fill all needs |
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| 02:16.33 | siimo | polm, http://alsa.opensrc.org/index.php?page=DmixPlugin |
| 02:16.37 | polm | prahal: that's exactly what I need. |
| 02:16.57 | prahal | polm: install libesd-alsa not libesd |
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| 02:17.40 | jim | CryptoDebian: can you borrow a floppy drive to put onto your laptop? |
| 02:17.43 | shingouz | jim: looks like i'll just copy the resulting single module into the proper place once i dpkg -i the kernel and hack on the kernel source tree at a later time, i do not know enough about makefiles to get it working The Proper Way tonight |
| 02:17.49 | blue_ | is there a way to renew a cable connection, like get a new IP pretty much |
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| 02:18.13 | CryptoDebian | jim: I got a friend that can a burn a CD for me |
| 02:18.16 | jim | blue_: cycle cable modem power |
| 02:18.18 | CryptoDebian | should I do that?> |
| 02:18.28 | mtnman | yo jim |
| 02:18.29 | CryptoDebian | I can go right now and do it |
| 02:18.31 | jim | CryptoDebian: that would be one way |
| 02:18.35 | jim | heya dave :) |
| 02:18.42 | jim | how ya doin! |
| 02:18.44 | CryptoDebian | but I really did wanna do it from the harddisk |
| 02:18.48 | shingouz | the easiest way i think |
| 02:18.54 | mtnman | jim: great thanks, and you? |
| 02:18.59 | jim | I'm good |
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| 02:19.08 | CryptoDebian | yeah but from the hard disk would've'n cool |
| 02:19.10 | sean_micken | hmm... how do you make icons on the gnome desktop smaller? |
| 02:19.21 | prahal | polm: well i found it in th above mentionned alsa page |
| 02:19.26 | blue_ | jim: tried that, somethings really messed up with my connection, I can't connect most of the time to things but once im connected like xchat or downloading i can get 500+kbs download |
| 02:19.30 | shingouz | CryptoDebian: can the computer boot from USB? if it can, slap the installer onto the usb? |
| 02:19.37 | blue_ | i don't know if its debian or what |
| 02:19.41 | ARdEBaRAn | what locales is ? |
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| 02:20.12 | shingouz | ARdEBaRAn: they set up the system to use a specific language like english, german, spanish... |
| 02:20.14 | helix | ARdEBaRAn: a package. apt-get install locales if you don't have it |
| 02:20.16 | prahal | CryptoDebian: i really advice you to use your LUG , i have not and lost a lot of time with tiny things |
| 02:20.21 | CryptoDebian | shin: I don't have a USB |
| 02:20.21 | jim | blue_: once you cycle power, you have to reboot machine cable modem is connected to, or tell it to get new ip |
| 02:20.31 | shingouz | CryptoDebian: oh |
| 02:20.41 | ARdEBaRAn | helix wich is the default for spanish? |
| 02:20.42 | CryptoDebian | Though I have a palm pilot, so may I can Infrared it |
| 02:20.54 | blue_ | i've let both sit for about 15 minutes with the power unplugged and it didn't reset, how do i tell it to get a new ip? |
| 02:20.58 | Xenguy_ | standalone, 2-interface, 3-if ? |
| 02:20.59 | helix | ARdEBaRAn: depends on your country |
| 02:21.01 | Xenguy_ | ww |
| 02:21.10 | shingouz | CryptoDebian: i don't think you can actually boot the laptop off IRdA :) |
| 02:21.12 | toresbe | !seen g4lt |
| 02:21.12 | blue_ | even the router unplugged |
| 02:21.12 | dpkg | g4lt <galt@g4lt.base.supporter.pdpc> was last seen on IRC in channel #debian, 153d 1h 44m 30s ago, saying: 'toresbe actually no, policy states taht no package needs to depend on anything on base'. |
| 02:21.32 | jim | CryptoDebian: possibly... right now, the best thing you should be concentrating on, is getting your hd backed up entirely or getting a second drive... |
| 02:21.43 | CryptoDebian | shin: I know, at this point I'm just saying nonsense, I can even start installing DEBIAN, I AM DESPERATE |
| 02:22.01 | jim | CryptoDebian: umm |
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| 02:22.06 | jim | why are you desperate? |
| 02:22.28 | shingouz | CryptoDebian: back up the hd like jim said and take the installer to your friend for her/him to slap it on a cd |
| 02:22.30 | prahal | CryptoDebian: you could try colinux |
| 02:22.39 | ARdEBaRAn | helix i want english... united states |
| 02:22.41 | CryptoDebian | Jim: I have no important info, on my HDD so is not that important if it gets erased |
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| 02:22.48 | shingouz | ARdEBaRAn: en-us |
| 02:22.50 | helix | ARdEBaRAn: english, united states is en_US |
| 02:22.59 | helix | ignore shingouz |
| 02:23.01 | jim | CryptoDebian: so why are you desperate? |
| 02:23.10 | shingouz | sorry... |
| 02:23.19 | blue_ | cryptodebian: isn't there a floppy disk version, it takes a few but better than nothing |
| 02:23.24 | helix | and use utf8 (en_US.UTF-8) |
| 02:23.26 | helix | shingouz: :) |
| 02:23.35 | CryptoDebian | jim: I wanna install Debian and I can't |
| 02:23.41 | Jarn | I dont know if this should be a kde q, a gnome q, or a q for here, but, if I have gnome and kde installed, how does debian know which one I want it to load? |
| 02:23.54 | thingfish | oh, anyone can install debian for crying out loud. |
| 02:23.57 | prahal | i wonder if one can install debain on the HD from a debian iso booted in colinux or qemu ... |
| 02:23.58 | CryptoDebian | how do I open a new channel on this IRC thing? |
| 02:24.02 | Gumby | I'm looking to install a printer in debian for the first time. is there a "Debian" way of doing this? Can anyone tell me where I'd start? |
| 02:24.12 | shingouz | ./join #channel |
| 02:24.14 | jim | CryptoDebian: you do not have usb ports on your laptop? |
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| 02:24.25 | CryptoDebian | PRAHAL: that's my very same question |
| 02:24.32 | yoshio | CryptoDebian: old version of debian - http://www.tuxmobil.org/Mobile-Guide.db/mobile-guide-p1c3s6-from-a-dos-or-windows-partition.html |
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| 02:24.51 | CryptoDebian | jim: oh yeah, I do have have USB ports 1.0 |
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| 02:25.14 | shingouz | CryptoDebian: then you do have USB there |
| 02:25.16 | blue_ | that wont really help unless you have one of those keys |
| 02:25.19 | jim | CryptoDebian: so does the school have a usb floppy? |
| 02:25.39 | jim | CryptoDebian: ever learned bash? |
| 02:25.40 | blue_ | err, chip things |
| 02:26.12 | blue_ | jim: how do i tell it to release/renew my connection? |
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| 02:26.24 | nullvoid | I think that my oss is giving this problem, because I can hear audio from my pc, but can't manage the volume, when my pc start it complain cannot find sound card.... but when I use alsaconf it will detect it. Please help |
| 02:26.34 | CryptoDebian | shin: yeah I forgot |
| 02:26.57 | jim | blue_: I dunno... maybe you have to reboot... or maybe you cycle power on your router |
| 02:27.09 | polm | I've installed libesd0-alsa, and ESD works with ALSA now. I'm still unable to get OSS apps to work simultaneously. I receive /dev/dsp resource busy errors. Besides installing alsa-oss, what else should I do to get simultaneous support through ALSA for my OSS apps ? |
| 02:27.10 | jim | or maybe there's a network control panel |
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| 02:27.13 | CryptoDebian | yoshio: it is possible to do the same with a new version? |
| 02:27.30 | jim | CryptoDebian: so does the school have a usb floppy? |
| 02:27.33 | jim | CryptoDebian: ever learned bash? |
| 02:27.47 | CryptoDebian | jim: it doesn't |
| 02:27.57 | CryptoDebian | jim: what it's BASH? |
| 02:28.18 | EvanCarroll | CryptoDebian: man bash, its your shell |
| 02:28.23 | jim | I would advance that you're not so desperate after all :) |
| 02:28.23 | EvanCarroll | !bash |
| 02:28.23 | dpkg | hmm... bash is the Bourne Again Shell, and the default debian shell. |
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| 02:28.38 | CryptoDebian | yoshi: shel of what, Linux or Windows? |
| 02:28.48 | jim | so just relax; this will take time for you to learn anywau |
| 02:28.51 | blue_ | release/renew gives me the same ip and dns servers! mabye rr has gone static |
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| 02:29.07 | jim | blue_: so is your connection up now? |
| 02:29.12 | maher | CryptoDebian: you might want to get hold of the book running debian by welsh et al |
| 02:29.13 | calin | is there a package i can use to convert a .img and .sub file to .iso? |
| 02:29.50 | EvanCarroll | blue_: wrong |
| 02:29.53 | CryptoDebian | maher: is the DEBINA BIBLE? |
| 02:29.55 | blue_ | no its still that barely connecting mess, like theres a bad dns server or something |
| 02:29.56 | yoshio | CryptoDebian: I don't see anything in the sarge installation manual for installing from a windows partition - I really recommend that you install from a cd that has hte install on it |
| 02:30.16 | EvanCarroll | blue_: dns woulden't have to do with connecting only resolving |
| 02:30.23 | maher | CryptoDebian: its a useful reference if you're starting from no unix/linux experience |
| 02:30.32 | blue_ | once im connected to something though it will stay and download fine |
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| 02:30.38 | yoshio | CryptoDebian: the minimal install cd is a little more than 100 megs, but then you need a net connection to finish the install |
| 02:30.40 | CryptoDebian | yoshi: I think that's a good idea, I'll stop by my friend's and ask him to burn a cd... for me |
| 02:30.59 | EvanCarroll | blue_: then chnage your dns server, /etc/resolv.conf |
| 02:31.01 | blue_ | i don't know, just throwing out anything i can think of |
| 02:31.08 | blue_ | ok |
| 02:31.19 | yoshio | CryptoDebian: read http://www.debian.org/releases/testing/installmanual |
| 02:31.20 | CryptoDebian | how can I open a new channel on this IRC thingy? |
| 02:31.23 | jim | CryptoDebian: if you're starting from no unix/linux experience, then you're not desperate to get debian installed... TRUST me |
| 02:31.25 | blue_ | search nc.rr.com nameserver 192.168.0.1 |
| 02:31.27 | EvanCarroll | !thingy |
| 02:31.27 | dpkg | The thingies from that other thing go over there right next to the thing you're looking at. |
| 02:31.29 | maher | CryptoDebian: do you have a friend who uses linux? |
| 02:31.37 | shingouz | CryptoDebian: /join #channel |
| 02:32.21 | jim | CryptoDebian: I'm not trying to chase you away, but I am saying "relax" |
| 02:32.25 | ericb_ | got a question about apmd, if the computer sleeps, and a http request come up to the server, will it wake up to answer it ?? |
| 02:32.36 | CryptoDebian | YOSHI: yes it's is possible, read: http://www.debian.org/releases/testing/i386/ch02s02.html.en#id2526368 |
| 02:32.38 | blue_ | EvanCarroll: what would i change it to? |
| 02:32.59 | blue_ | 192.168.0.1 is just my router |
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| 02:33.15 | EvanCarroll | blue_: your using linksys? |
| 02:33.22 | blue_ | netgear |
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| 02:33.32 | jim | from inside, yes... but from outside, it's your external ip |
| 02:33.35 | Jarn | if I have gnome and kde installed, how does debian know which one I want it to load? and how do I switch between them? |
| 02:33.44 | maher | CryptoDebian: upi still need some way of booting to linux |
| 02:33.56 | maher | CryptoDebian: s/upi/you |
| 02:33.58 | Jarn | also, is there a way to name my panels so its easier to know which one Im dealing with from the configure panel menu? |
| 02:34.07 | CryptoDebian | so I need to load an the installer, but how do do that |
| 02:34.28 | maher | CryptoDebian: the easiest thing for you to do is to get a copy of a debian cd |
| 02:34.33 | EvanCarroll | http into your router and copy down a dns server that it uses then type "echo nameserver ###.###.###.### > /etc/resolv.conf" |
| 02:34.37 | EvanCarroll | as root |
| 02:34.59 | CryptoDebian | maher: I might as well |
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| 02:35.28 | polm | prahal: can I see a copy of your asoundrc file ? |
| 02:35.31 | jim | or apt-get install bind9 |
| 02:35.57 | jim | and echo "nameserver 127.0.0.1" > /etc/resolv.conf |
| 02:36.01 | jim | as root |
| 02:36.03 | CryptoDebian | check this ou: |
| 02:36.04 | CryptoDebian | 2.2.3. Hard Disk |
| 02:36.04 | CryptoDebian | Booting the installation system directly from a hard disk is another option for many architectures. This will require some other operating system to load the installer onto the hard disk. |
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| 02:36.46 | jim | can debian-installer be started from hd? |
| 02:36.48 | blue_ | EvanCarroll: alright, now restart or release/renew or ...? |
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| 02:36.55 | EvanCarroll | blue_: neither |
| 02:36.56 | maher | CryptoDebian: give that you have never used linux before I suspect you will find that harder than getting a cd |
| 02:36.56 | [Cadet] | hey |
| 02:36.57 | CryptoDebian | how can I join another the Spanish channel at the same time of this one? |
| 02:36.58 | EvanCarroll | now it should work |
| 02:37.08 | jim | !es |
| 02:37.08 | dpkg | Hispanohablantes: Por favor usen #debian-es, alli obtendran mas ayuda. Spanish Speakers: Please use #debian-es, there you will get much more help. |
| 02:37.24 | CryptoDebian | jim: can Debina Installer be started from hd? ANSWER: YES |
| 02:37.26 | EvanCarroll | blue_: now your resolving directly to what ever dns server you fed it rather than through your router |
| 02:37.31 | yoshio | CryptoDebian: debian installer is at http://www.debian.org/devel/debian-installer/ |
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| 02:37.43 | EvanCarroll | !d-i |
| 02:37.43 | dpkg | extra, extra, read all about it, d-i is the new installer for sarge (debian 3.1), at http://www.debian.org/devel/debian-installer/ or see #debian-boot, but don't pester the d-i devs with unrelated questions, or see <debian-installer> |
| 02:37.55 | yoshio | CryptoDebian: you can install from another distro, but not from Windows |
| 02:37.59 | jim | CryptoDebian: debian-installer is specific thing; boot-floppies is predecessor |
| 02:38.31 | shingouz | CryptoDebian: type "/join #debian-es" without the quotes and you should have two channels open |
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| 02:38.42 | blue_ | EvanCarroll: thanks, that does seem to fix it, will i have to ever change this dns server? |
| 02:38.56 | jim | blue_: maybe |
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| 02:39.20 | jim | (but that's actually the answer to "will I ever have to ________________") |
| 02:39.21 | EvanCarroll | blue_: depends, there is a script that will clean your dns entry if you wish to keep the one you currently have i believe you remove DNS from /etc/network/interfaces |
| 02:39.31 | CryptoDebian | yoshio: I SEE NOW! so it is possible to install from HD, but from other distro not from crapWindows? |
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| 02:39.39 | deadrabbit | can someone help me with a shell problem? |
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| 02:39.54 | jim | cracked shell? |
| 02:40.09 | jim | eggshell? |
| 02:40.21 | Syrinx | seashell? |
| 02:40.22 | deadrabbit | when i type "cd \" i get [[1m>[[0m |
| 02:40.22 | CryptoDebian | SHIN: cool, I did that now I can have double help |
| 02:40.27 | shingouz | CryptoDebian: i *think* loadlin should be able to boot from windows console mode but i am not sure about it as i have never ever tried it |
| 02:40.28 | CryptoDebian | how about a channel in CATALAN? |
| 02:40.31 | CryptoDebian | is ther such? |
| 02:40.32 | RrodolfoS | hi, i have trouble with sarge and laptop dell latitude cpia, i speak spanish |
| 02:40.42 | jim | deadrabbit: directory separator is / |
| 02:40.43 | shingouz | CryptoDebian: probably not |
| 02:40.45 | blue_ | do i need "auto lo" in /etc/network/interfaces? |
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| 02:40.54 | EvanCarroll | blue_: never mind, there is a script called 0dns-up, that will reset your resolv.conf it shoulden't run though by default |
| 02:41.04 | blue_ | oh ok |
| 02:41.05 | Rucinter | hi, can someone help me with XFREE86 config |
| 02:41.08 | jim | blue_: yes, pretty much... |
| 02:41.16 | Syrinx | deadrabbit: why would you want to type "cd \"? |
| 02:41.20 | deadrabbit | ok, that was incredible stupid of me |
| 02:41.20 | shingouz | !tell Rucinter about drxx |
| 02:41.22 | EvanCarroll | blue_: yes otherwise 127.0.0.1 won't function, and localhost will point to a bad loopback |
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| 02:41.44 | blue_ | dont want that, i have apache running, that won't be affected will it? |
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| 02:41.46 | deadrabbit | i just stated using linux last week, i don't know why i went from using the correct / to \ all of the sudeen |
| 02:41.52 | deadrabbit | thanks |
| 02:41.56 | Syrinx | hehe |
| 02:41.59 | RrodolfoS | somebody have sarge installed on a dell laptop??? |
| 02:42.00 | CryptoDebian | that's funny I don't think they speak Spanish in the Spanish Channel |
| 02:42.01 | jim | deadrabbit: and on old mac os directory separator is : |
| 02:42.08 | CryptoDebian | doesn't look Spanish at all |
| 02:42.09 | EvanCarroll | blue_: no, apache would have nothing to do with it |
| 02:42.17 | maher | RrodolfoS: did you check linuxlaptops.net |
| 02:42.18 | deadrabbit | i have sarge on a dell, but clearly i can't help anyone |
| 02:42.24 | blue_ | good deal, appriciate the help EvanCarroll and jim |
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| 02:42.25 | deadrabbit | dell laptop that is |
| 02:42.31 | EvanCarroll | blue_: no problem |
| 02:42.38 | maher | RrodolfoS: i mean www.linux-laptop.net/ |
| 02:42.43 | RrodolfoS | a latitude cpia |
| 02:42.59 | jim | deadrabbit: cool :) for other shell things, you might want to read "info bash" |
| 02:43.09 | RrodolfoS | i have prob with dma i think that.. |
| 02:43.32 | CryptoDebian | YOSHI: so I drop the idea of installing DEBIAN with Windows from the HD? |
| 02:43.49 | shingouz | !tell RrodolfoS about ask |
| 02:43.53 | RrodolfoS | ~maher~ i cant't install sarge, is a latitude cpia.... |
| 02:43.54 | apt | RrodolfoS: okay |
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| 02:43.54 | deadrabbit | what does \ do anyway? |
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| 02:44.14 | shingouz | RrodolfoS: linux-laptop.net has some very good howtos |
| 02:44.21 | EvanCarroll | deadrabbit: escapes metacharacters |
| 02:44.26 | deadrabbit | oh |
| 02:44.34 | nullvoid | anyone use cs46xx under debian sid and able to get alsa working? |
| 02:44.40 | blue_ | whats the difference in sarge,and testing , and sid and unstable |
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| 02:44.46 | nullvoid | anyone use cs46xx under debian sid and able to get alsa working (kernel 2.6.10)? |
| 02:44.58 | shingouz | nullvoid: what is the problem you see there? |
| 02:45.00 | EvanCarroll | blue_: sid is unstable, sarge is testing, and stable is woody, as of now anyway |
| 02:45.05 | RrodolfoS | sorry for my english, i see linuxlaptop but no find mi answer.. |
| 02:45.20 | EvanCarroll | blue_: the stupid toy story names will change when 3.1 comes out |
| 02:45.36 | shingouz | RrodolfoS: what is the problem on the dell then? |
| 02:45.45 | blue_ | so they just have them for people with old resposotories? |
| 02:45.49 | nullvoid | shingouz: during boot, it fail to load my alsa, when I run alsaconf, it able to detect but my volume manager doesn't want to slide |
| 02:45.59 | EvanCarroll | blue_: then stasble will refer to some other dumb char, and testing to even another dumb character, and unstable as well assumming there are enough characters in toy story |
| 02:46.23 | shingouz | nullvoid: you do not happen to have both oss and alsa modules there at the same time? |
| 02:46.27 | maher | EvanCarroll: : when debian runs out of toy story characters it has to stop releasing... |
| 02:46.46 | blue_ | lol yeah, thats the first thing i asked when i installed debian, toy story....? |
| 02:46.49 | nullvoid | shingouz: I guess so, how do I use only alsa not the oss? |
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| 02:47.01 | RrodolfoS | with the debian installer when try read packages from the cd say error, bat is mounted the cd.... |
| 02:47.15 | shingouz | nullvoid: first remove all the oss stuff with modconf |
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| 02:47.25 | RrodolfoS | i can type ls and return cd files.. |
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| 02:47.45 | nullvoid | shingouz: how to tell which one to remove, is't all in oss path in the modconf? |
| 02:48.19 | shingouz | nullvoid: lsmod should give you a pretty good idea on what is and is not there |
| 02:48.23 | RrodolfoS | if i type in the lilo prompt linux26 nodma work fine, why?? |
| 02:48.28 | nullvoid | shingouz: all in kernel/sound/core/oss ? |
| 02:48.36 | EvanCarroll | blue_: the different repositories represent different stages of development, stable represents software that has stood up to the test of time, with NO added fetures between releases stable comes from the packages deemed worthy from the last distros testing, testing is a package that is 'probably' ready for production but hasn't incubated as apache would call it, and unstable is where nightly builds are dumped, and developers can |
| 02:48.49 | nullvoid | shingouz: FATAL: Module snd_mixer_oss is in use. |
| 02:48.51 | shingouz | RrodolfoS: if it works that way, install with the nodma |
| 02:49.10 | shingouz | nullvoid: that is an alsa module, all snd-something are alsa |
| 02:49.12 | EvanCarroll | blue_: in this case, stable being woody hasn't changed in ~3yr years, other than security patches |
| 02:49.13 | nullvoid | shingouz: ok done removing all in there |
| 02:49.17 | CryptoDebian | I guess I will have to spend another night without DEBIAN |
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| 02:49.54 | nullvoid | shingouz: but why it is in kernel/sound/core/oss ? |
| 02:49.59 | shingouz | CryptoDebian: get some coffee, i hope you can live through the night ;) |
| 02:50.04 | RrodolfoS | i dont know what to do this, if i have trouble with anoter thing for unig nodma??? |
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| 02:50.14 | jim | is the standard US mirror http.us.debian.org? |
| 02:50.16 | shingouz | nullvoid: it still is alsa |
| 02:50.25 | RrodolfoS | where i can read doc about this??? |
| 02:50.33 | EvanCarroll | http://us.debian.org |
| 02:50.43 | nullvoid | shingouz: so which one is not alsa? |
| 02:50.46 | blue_ | EvanCarroll: thanks so much, i've been messing for weeks trying to get this thing fixed |
| 02:50.46 | RrodolfoS | using* |
| 02:50.57 | EvanCarroll | jim: but most people will chose non-us, because it has crypto that the us server lacks |
| 02:51.06 | jim | EvanCarroll: not found |
| 02:51.10 | blue_ | why did it do that when pointing to my router? |
| 02:51.17 | EvanCarroll | jim: not found? |
| 02:51.18 | shingouz | RrodolfoS: uhh... so the dell boots if you use nodma but cannot see the cdrom. try booting without the nodma switch. the debian install documentation are on www.debian.org |
| 02:51.32 | jim | wonder if something is wrong with my dns |
| 02:51.47 | shingouz | nullvoid: i guess you should look for cs46?? |
| 02:51.57 | CryptoDebian | jim: so how does it feel to run Linux? |
| 02:52.04 | CryptoDebian | is it really such a big deal? |
| 02:52.12 | EvanCarroll | jim: no your right, its http.us.debian.org, or ftp.us.debian.org |
| 02:52.15 | jim | it's different... |
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| 02:52.17 | CryptoDebian | can you run programs such as Photoshop and Dreamweaver? |
| 02:52.26 | jim | EvanCarroll: I |
| 02:52.30 | RrodolfoS | the machine boot but no install whitout nodma, the cdrom is removable.... |
| 02:52.33 | jim | am gonna try ftp. |
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| 02:52.43 | EvanCarroll | CryptoDebian: with a virtual machine |
| 02:52.44 | shingouz | CryptoDebian: yes but there are other software that can do the same things. native linux apps at that |
| 02:52.48 | RrodolfoS | boot an mount the device... |
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| 02:53.00 | EvanCarroll | CryptoDebian: or possibly wine |
| 02:53.01 | CryptoDebian | EVAN and Shin: cool |
| 02:53.05 | Flimzy | CryptoDebian: Who would want to use Photoshop or Dreamweaver anyway? |
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| 02:53.13 | RrodolfoS | and |
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| 02:53.21 | jim | ARGH... |
| 02:53.23 | CryptoDebian | FLIM: what else would you use otherwise? |
| 02:53.28 | jim | ok, I found the problem... |
| 02:53.32 | EvanCarroll | Flimzy: photoshop is still regarded as 'the best' |
| 02:53.33 | CryptoDebian | those are the most powerful programs out ther |
| 02:53.34 | shingouz | RrodolfoS: please do not use the enter key that often |
| 02:53.34 | cafuego | Flimzy: People who own licences. |
| 02:53.42 | jim | I was trying the mirror http://http.us.debian/debian |
| 02:53.58 | Flimzy | CryptoDebian: GIMP for photo edting... works for most things Photoshop does. |
| 02:54.07 | cafuego | Flimzy: Alternatively, people that need decent pre-press capabilities or a UI that's less shit then the GIMP one. |
| 02:54.10 | abrotman | those are the most powerful programs ? |
| 02:54.25 | abrotman | you must be joking |
| 02:54.26 | Flimzy | CryptoDebian: as for HTML authoring... my preference is joe/vi/emacs/pico/whatever. Altho there are WYSIWYG editors for Linux as well. |
| 02:54.28 | shingouz | RrodolfoS: you usually speak Spanish? if that is the case, you might want to try #debian-es |
| 02:54.42 | Flimzy | cafuego: Those people will be running Photoshop natively on a Windows/Mac machine. |
| 02:54.42 | NOthsouth | Hello, I'm on debian sarge kernel 2.6, trying to install vmware workstation 4.5, he ask for the gcc path, I don't know where is it? |
| 02:54.48 | RrodolfoS | thanks :D:D:D:D |
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| 02:55.00 | shingouz | RrodolfoS: no problem :) |
| 02:55.03 | cafuego | Flimzy: Yes, but say *I* prefer to run linux, but also photoshop. |
| 02:55.08 | nullvoid | shingouz: can I msg you mu lsmod? |
| 02:55.20 | Markaci | <PROTECTED> |
| 02:55.25 | jim | EvanCarroll, thanks for trying |
| 02:55.26 | Flimzy | cafuego: Altho I admit, I did not add within an emulator as a qualifier on my question. |
| 02:55.26 | shingouz | RrodolfoS: and in anycase the debian install documentation is on www.debian.org |
| 02:55.31 | shingouz | nullvoid: no |
| 02:55.35 | Jarn | if I have gnome and kde installed, how does debian know which one I want it to load? and how do I switch between them? |
| 02:55.38 | Jarn | also, is there a way to name my panels so its easier to know which one Im dealing with from the configure panel menu? |
| 02:55.43 | EvanCarroll | jim: still having problems? |
| 02:55.51 | jim | no, found the problem |
| 02:55.51 | cafuego | Flimzy: That's an altogether differen tissue; wine doesn't run on amd64. |
| 02:55.54 | shingouz | !tell nullvoid about paste |
| 02:55.54 | nullvoid | shingouz: I don't find any cs46xx in my lsmod |
| 02:56.01 | abrotman | cafuego: you sure? |
| 02:56.03 | jim | I was using the mirror ftp.us.debian/org/debian |
| 02:56.10 | jim | note . |
| 02:56.12 | jim | err |
| 02:56.13 | mtnman | jarn: man alternatives for gnome/kde thing. |
| 02:56.14 | jim | note / |
| 02:56.16 | RrodolfoS | i think that the documentation that i need is the kernel doc... |
| 02:56.26 | Jarn | okay |
| 02:56.26 | shingouz | nullvoid: do you have alsa-base and alsa-utils installed |
| 02:56.27 | cafuego | abrotman: Yes. You can run it in a chroot, but that presents other issues. |
| 02:56.41 | RrodolfoS | for nodma thing |
| 02:56.47 | Flimzy | I prefer GIMP to Photoshop even in Windows... even when I have a PS license. |
| 02:57.06 | EvanCarroll | RrodolfoS: turning on off dma is as easy as hdparm -d0 or -d1 |
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| 02:57.15 | Jarn | I dont understand |
| 02:57.15 | shingouz | RrodolfoS: you could try installing with the 2.4 kernel too, you can always upgrade the kernel to whatever you like later on |
| 02:57.17 | Jarn | man for what? |
| 02:57.18 | CryptoDebian | FLIM I bet you can't make FLASH websites on Linux |
| 02:57.19 | Markaci | Flimzy, you like that warm fuzzy feeling that you're using OSS? |
| 02:57.31 | Flimzy | Although I do realize there are some applications where GIMP is too limited for professional quality work. (I just don't think people using those applications are likely to be trying to run anything under wine) |
| 02:57.37 | mtnman | jarn: man update-alternatives |
| 02:57.40 | cafuego | Flimzy: I've tried, but the GIMP ui is like fingernails down a blackboard for me. |
| 02:57.45 | Flimzy | Markaci: No. |
| 02:57.57 | EvanCarroll | CryptoDebian: most people using linux hate flash |
| 02:57.57 | maher | cafuego: gimp |
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| 02:58.02 | cafuego | Flimzy: plus the lack of pantone is irritating. |
| 02:58.04 | paster | "mynullvoid" at 218.208.102.130 pasted "my alsa not working, I cannot slide my volume manager" (96 lines) at http://channels.debian.net/paste/332 |
| 02:58.09 | maher | cafuego: gimp's ui makes me cry with frustration |
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| 02:58.16 | Jarn | okay |
| 02:58.17 | mtnman | jarn: basically you'll want to do something like "update-alternatives --config x-session-manager |
| 02:58.27 | nullvoid | shingouz: http://channels.debian.net/paste/332 |
| 02:58.33 | Flimzy | cafuego: It could use some improvements for sure. But I've still become more comfortable with it than PS's UI (primarly b/c I use it more, not necissarily b/c it's better) |
| 02:58.34 | shingouz | nullvoid: checking |
| 02:58.40 | CryptoDebian | flim: your GIMP hero is loosing on this chat, I guess it's still eating bananas on a cave |
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| 02:58.49 | cafuego | maher: Yes, it's annoying.. losing your tool palettes under other windows is SO counter-productive, it's quicker to boot window,s edit the file, then reboot linux. |
| 02:58.58 | Flimzy | CryptoDebian: huh? |
| 02:59.05 | cafuego | CryptoDebian: No, you misunderstand. |
| 02:59.13 | Jarn | mtnman: how would I switch between them WITHOUT changing the default one? |
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| 02:59.17 | duckman75 | ok i have a brand new install of sarge on a desktop hooked to a cable modem and it takes 10 secs to get to www.google.com ... i disconnect debian and connect a windows machine to the cable modem and it is instantly at www.google.com like .5 secs .. what gives? |
| 02:59.23 | maher | cafuego: multiple windows doesn't bother me |
| 02:59.25 | cafuego | CryptoDebian: Did you BUY photoshop anyway? |
| 02:59.27 | Flimzy | When I first started using GIMP, I hated it compared to PS. But that was in like version 0.7x or something |
| 02:59.32 | mtnman | jarn: dunno. i don't use a session-manager. |
| 02:59.33 | Flimzy | and it would frequently crash. |
| 02:59.38 | Jarn | nod |
| 02:59.40 | Jarn | ponder |
| 02:59.45 | Jarn | im gonna try somenthing |
| 02:59.46 | Jarn | brb |
| 02:59.52 | Jarn | wait |
| 02:59.54 | abrotman | cafuego: they have the winesetuptk package for pure64 though :) |
| 02:59.55 | Jarn | how do I... |
| 02:59.56 | Jarn | nvmd |
| 03:00.03 | CryptoDebian | cafuego I DIDN'T buy it, I just download it from ARES |
| 03:00.05 | Tweak`TG-Owner | why would someone say to use gentoo to sweeze all the performance out of a server instead of using debian? |
| 03:00.16 | Flimzy | cafuego: I prefer GIMP's window placement to PS's, personally. Of course, with the proper WM config, you could make your toolbox(es) "always on top", or similar |
| 03:00.17 | cafuego | maher: I can live with multiple windows, I can't livbe with having to dig though 'em to get my tools/layers palette back. |
| 03:00.20 | cafuego | CryptoDebian: lamer |
| 03:00.31 | svartalfa | does anyone alive? |
| 03:00.40 | maher | cafuego: somehow it just takes me ages to figure out how to do what i want... |
| 03:01.02 | shingouz | nullvoid: i am not sure but i think you have a bunch of chipset modules there you simply do not need. pick the one your computer needs and remove the other ones, they just may interfere with the alsa |
| 03:01.03 | chealer | Tweak`TG-Owner: what means sweeze? |
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| 03:01.10 | Flimzy | cafuego: Let me add to my statement... "The people who need features lacking in GIMP, won't be using PS in wine, and won't be warezing it." :P |
| 03:01.18 | Jarn | well, it automatically went into gnome, which I like. |
| 03:01.19 | Tweak`TG-Owner | chealer get all the performance out of it. |
| 03:01.21 | cafuego | Flimzy: I agree :-) |
| 03:01.24 | PerfDave | I've not used Photoshop, I think that helps me handle the GUI of GIMP easily. |
| 03:01.26 | Jarn | but I dont like it as much as kde |
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| 03:01.33 | Jarn | and now I don't know how to switch back. :( |
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| 03:01.51 | maher | i haven't used photoshop either - maybe i'm just stupid... |
| 03:01.54 | CryptoDebian | ok |
| 03:01.56 | chealer | Tweak`TG-Owner: probably because someone uses servers for compiling. |
| 03:02.03 | cafuego | maher: Either that or poor. |
| 03:02.13 | shingouz | nullvoid: also the sound modules look like they are there as they should. check if you have permission to actually use the audio devices with ls -l /dev | grep audio |
| 03:02.18 | Flimzy | I first used PhotoShop on a Mac Classic |
| 03:02.19 | nullvoid | shingouz: how do I know which one I need? any utils to do that? |
| 03:02.28 | CryptoDebian | ok then I am going to get my linux CD now |
| 03:02.30 | cafuego | Flimzy: Photoshop 2.0 rocked. |
| 03:02.30 | Flimzy | Then in Win 3.1 on a P200 |
| 03:02.35 | shingouz | nullvoid: what computer you run there |
| 03:02.39 | Flimzy | whee... the good ol' days |
| 03:02.45 | cafuego | Flimzy: Photoshop 3 with the DSP plugin on an AV mac rocked more, though. |
| 03:02.46 | nullvoid | ThinkPad T22 |
| 03:02.57 | cafuego | (when it didn't bus error anyway) |
| 03:03.07 | CryptoDebian | see you guys later |
| 03:03.16 | Flimzy | cafuego: There's nothing like photo editing on a 1bpp display |
| 03:03.29 | Flimzy | or whatever the heck that was |
| 03:03.38 | cafuego | !MacDrawsmite Flimzy |
| 03:03.39 | Flimzy | maybe it supported shades of grey? |
| 03:03.40 | shingouz | nullvoid: in that case you should stop by the www.linux-laptop.net site and see if you have some install howto there for the thinkpad :) |
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| 03:03.43 | nullvoid | shingouz: ls -l /dev | grep audio ---- return root:audio |
| 03:03.51 | cafuego | Flimzy: At least 256 of 'em |
| 03:03.58 | CryptoDebian | and thanks for the advice |
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| 03:04.07 | Flimzy | ah, wow |
| 03:04.15 | Flimzy | so 8bpp greyscale |
| 03:04.34 | Flimzy | "640k ought to be enough for anybody" |
| 03:04.46 | shingouz | nullvoid: huh? you didnt get anything out of the listing then? no /dev/dsp or anything? |
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| 03:04.52 | solomonn | i edit my images with a text editor |
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| 03:05.13 | maher | solomonn: i use a magnet |
| 03:05.55 | Flimzy | solomonn: And you watch your Pr0n with aalib, too! |
| 03:05.57 | ThomasThumb | I have an old Slackware computer that I am trying to get the data from, Can I use Samba, I was having trouble with permissions? |
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| 03:06.15 | nullvoid | shingouz: adsp audio dmmidi dsp midi mizer |
| 03:06.18 | Flimzy | ThomasThumb: If you have samba installed on it. |
| 03:06.26 | Jarn | well, it appears installing gnome has removed the kde helpfiles |
| 03:06.27 | Flimzy | ThomasThumb: but that's a #slackware issue, not a #debian one |
| 03:06.31 | narcmann | ThomasThumb: Why not NFS |
| 03:06.41 | Flimzy | Jarn: not likely |
| 03:06.44 | ThomasThumb | Do I need to use NFS? |
| 03:06.58 | narcmann | ThomasThumb: You don't need too, use whatever |
| 03:06.58 | Flimzy | ThomasThumb: No... you don't NEED to. |
| 03:07.00 | cafuego | ThomasThumb: Just use ssh/scp. Nice & easy. |
| 03:07.06 | shingouz | nullvoid: then you should either add yourself to the group audio and logout/logon or chmod the appropriate devices to rw-rw-rw |
| 03:07.08 | Jarn | flinzy: well, I can't find any of the man pages that Im fairly certain I used to have |
| 03:07.10 | Flimzy | ThomasThumb: this is Linux we're talking about. There's always a bazillion ways to do something. |
| 03:07.10 | cafuego | or pipe tar through ssh, |
| 03:07.14 | ThomasThumb | ssh is not on the slackware machine. |
| 03:07.21 | cafuego | ThomasThumb: rsh then |
| 03:07.22 | Jarn | flimzy: unless I'm getting the names wrong |
| 03:07.26 | Flimzy | ThomasThumb: But Samba is probably one of the more difficult ways to do what you're wanting. |
| 03:07.34 | Flimzy | ThomasThumb: So use rsh instead. Or install ssh. |
| 03:07.37 | ThomasThumb | Samba is set up though. |
| 03:07.48 | abrotman | you have nfs and samba but not ssh ? |
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| 03:07.55 | Flimzy | ThomasThumb: Well then use Samba if you know how. |
| 03:08.04 | ThomasThumb | nfsd is also running, Does that mean it is a server? |
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| 03:08.21 | simonrvn | !lart shingouz for suggesting 666 for a device file that doesn't need it |
| 03:08.27 | shingouz | nullvoid: did the sound work immediately after you installed it but went away after a reboot? just thinking about a weird "bug" here |
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| 03:08.33 | ThomasThumb | I have permission problems with Samba. |
| 03:08.38 | Flimzy | you could also move the HD to the target machine and just use cp |
| 03:08.41 | Jarn | !lart |
| 03:08.43 | Jarn | peer |
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| 03:09.04 | narcmann | ThomasThumb: ps x| grep nfsd |
| 03:09.13 | ThomasThumb | nfsd is there |
| 03:09.13 | shingouz | simonrvn: lesson learned, sorry |
| 03:09.26 | ThomasThumb | Does that mean it is a server? |
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| 03:09.32 | Jarn | !lart lenzo infobot's bugginess |
| 03:09.39 | abrotman | simonrvn: i've seen him do it before :) |
| 03:09.39 | Jarn | haha |
| 03:09.39 | nullvoid | shingouz: it was working well until I upgrade my packages |
| 03:09.46 | narcmann | ThomasThumb: if its running, yeah, look at.... man 5 exports i think it is |
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| 03:09.57 | Jarn | How do I get back into KDE from Gnome? |
| 03:10.18 | cheale1 | Jarn: using gdm? |
| 03:10.23 | ThomasThumb | HOw do you get into kde from gnome? |
| 03:10.37 | deadcat | ThomasThumb: logout |
| 03:10.38 | simonrvn | cheale1: http://tinyurl.com/6q6u7 |
| 03:10.39 | abrotman | who would want to use kde |
| 03:10.45 | Flimzy | ThomasThumb: by logging out of gnome, then logging into KDE |
| 03:10.55 | abrotman | too easy |
| 03:10.58 | abrotman | must purge kde! |
| 03:11.06 | narcmann | abrotman: kde is shiney though |
| 03:11.06 | Jarn | Flimzy: How does one do that? |
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| 03:11.18 | ThomasThumb | How do you log into kde? |
| 03:11.24 | Flimzy | Jarn: it depends on many things |
| 03:11.26 | cheale1 | simonrvn: I red that already but I was tired...didn't understand the implications so well |
| 03:11.30 | deadcat | narcmann: bullshit. thats the ugliest piece of shit i've ever seen |
| 03:11.31 | abrotman | narcmann: it's a big pile of poo |
| 03:11.37 | abrotman | and ugly :0 |
| 03:11.40 | narcmann | lol |
| 03:11.44 | shingouz | nullvoid: i am not sure in that case but i begin to suspect some configuration has changed there or something has a bug. what version of debian you run there, please do not say Sid |
| 03:11.54 | ThomasThumb | Sarge sets up KDE and Gnome by default I think. |
| 03:12.06 | PerfDave | ThomasThumb: No, Sarge doesn't install X unless you tell it to. |
| 03:12.12 | Jarn | chealel: I'm installing dm. what do I do then? |
| 03:12.24 | jjazz | I am trying to install Debian to a new box. I have a hdb and hdc hard drives and a cdrom as hdd. Does the lack of an hda drive indicate I've messed up something with the master/slave settings and/or the IDE cables? |
| 03:12.30 | deadcat | maybe those kde fuckers should really need to hire some artist to work on the looks. and DONT rip apple's theme |
| 03:12.40 | Jarn | I think I like the looks of gnome better, but I like the way KDE works |
| 03:12.44 | cheale1 | Jarn: if its gdm you're installing, it will be obvious after you start gdm |
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| 03:12.46 | simonrvn | cheale1: say goodbye to browsing around casually, without having to pay at each site. i blame quebecor having tentacles in the fed. gov't. and greedy scumbags in both places |
| 03:12.48 | PerfDave | jjazz: It means you don't have a primary master. That doesn't necessarily mean you've "messed something up" |
| 03:12.57 | jjazz | PerfDave: I think I want a primary master |
| 03:13.00 | ThomasThumb | I noticed appletalk was set up by default also. |
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| 03:13.18 | Jarn | chealel: I just installed it, nothing happened |
| 03:13.23 | simonrvn | and say hello to having to be certified or some other BS just to be able to leave your LAN |
| 03:13.26 | PerfDave | Dude, Gnome looks like Windows 3.0 :) |
| 03:13.36 | Jarn | chealel: I got this: invoke-rc.d: initscript gdm, action "reload" failed. |
| 03:13.37 | deadcat | after so many years. the KDE default taskbar is still ugly as hell. |
| 03:13.41 | narcmann | Perfdave: i agree |
| 03:13.44 | jjazz | PerfDave: Is there a downside to lacking a primary master? |
| 03:13.48 | Jarn | deadcat: definately |
| 03:13.52 | cheale1 | simonrvn: what I'd like to militate for is internet access provided by state. so no shit everytime you really read your ISP's contract and realize you've been fooled |
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| 03:13.54 | Flimzy | Dude, Gnome (as well as KDE) looks like whatever the flip you want it to |
| 03:14.01 | nevyn | jjazz: it's against the old spec. |
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| 03:14.17 | Jarn | deadcat: I removed everything on it cept clock and kmenu and made my own panels. I have 3 now. :P |
| 03:14.27 | narcmann | Kde is still more shiney |
| 03:14.29 | simonrvn | cheale1: they want to go the other way. extremely restrictive |
| 03:14.30 | cheale1 | simonrvn: I'm not sure if that article makes that a good idea though |
| 03:14.34 | nevyn | jjazz: the ide spec says or said that you are not permitted a slave without a master... |
| 03:14.35 | deadcat | Jarn: screenshot me (= |
| 03:14.49 | PerfDave | Flimzy: Out of the box, Gnome looks like ass. I can't be arsed to fuck around with a WM to get it into a useable state, which is why I use KDE. |
| 03:14.52 | Jarn | deadcat: I will when I figure out how to get back into KDE. :P |
| 03:14.53 | abrotman | who the hell uses opera as an irc client? |
| 03:14.55 | dserban | What's the best graphical terminal program? I like gnome-terminal's features but it's slow at rendering and depends on waaay to much stuff (running xfce). |
| 03:15.07 | cheale1 | simonrvn: yeah, it's bad. if you learn about initiatives to get public internet, please tell me |
| 03:15.08 | nevyn | gnome's let's remove featurs thing is broken the file select dialog requiring ctrl+l to type a filename is broken |
| 03:15.12 | simonrvn | cheale1: they want to allow lock-in to certain ISPs, too, it seems |
| 03:15.14 | PerfDave | dserban: I use rxvt on slower machines, konsole on reasonable spec stuff. |
| 03:15.19 | travisat | dserban: urxvt |
| 03:15.22 | jjazz | nevyn: I guess I'll try to convince the box that the hdb should be hda |
| 03:15.24 | jjazz | thanks |
| 03:15.31 | ThomasThumb | My Gnome beeps on startup. Other than that I like it. |
| 03:15.32 | deadcat | Jarn: DONT /msg me. |
| 03:15.41 | simonrvn | cheale1: so isps like aei.ca and istop.com would effectively get pushed out |
| 03:15.42 | nevyn | jjazz: it will probably work anyway |
| 03:15.42 | dserban | PerfDave, what's the slowest you have konsole running on? |
| 03:15.45 | cheale1 | simonrvn: maybe I'll reread the article, but I'm sick now, sticking to trying neverputt :) |
| 03:15.45 | maher | jjazz: it doesn't matter |
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| 03:15.56 | ThomasThumb | I'd look at KDE if I knew how to get it going. |
| 03:15.57 | PerfDave | dserban: Celeron 300, 64Mb RAM, running KDE and konsole |
| 03:16.04 | deadcat | !tell Jarn about pm |
| 03:16.04 | dserban | travisat, is it better? ... can it use sane fonts? |
| 03:16.04 | jjazz | ah, ok... if I later want to add a fourth IDE drive, will that cause problems? |
| 03:16.11 | travisat | dserban: yeah |
| 03:16.11 | simonrvn | cheale1: ok :). heal up well. might might to see my rant on my blog too |
| 03:16.12 | Flimzy | PerfDave: Well, for one thing, Gnome is not a WM. For another thing, what gnome looks like out of the box depends on what WM you do have installed. And third, KDE looks like ass, too. |
| 03:16.19 | cheale1 | simonrvn: heh, I just switched from AEI to VIF. AEI's service is shit. VIF is good. |
| 03:16.19 | dserban | travisat, thanks... |
| 03:16.19 | Jarn | sprry |
| 03:16.24 | dserban | Well I'll try both ;) |
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| 03:16.27 | maher | jjazz: no - it will be called hd<something> |
| 03:16.29 | cheale1 | simonrvn: ok, thanks |
| 03:16.30 | dserban | Thanks guys. |
| 03:16.43 | deadcat | Jarn: its ok. since you're a first time offender. (= |
| 03:16.43 | PerfDave | Flimzy: *shrug* I guess it's a matter of opinion. KDE might look like ass, but it's new ass, not old ass. |
| 03:16.49 | simonrvn | cheale1: heh, ok. http://simnraven.nuit.ca/blog/ just in case you don't have it |
| 03:16.55 | jjazz | maher: thanks |
| 03:16.55 | ThomasThumb | Hot ass? |
| 03:16.57 | Jarn | deadcat: I just figured I'd tell you there since it was less spammy. |
| 03:17.02 | dserban | travisat, urxvt isn't in the repository :) |
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| 03:17.30 | travisat | dserban: rxvt-unicode |
| 03:17.35 | deadcat | Jarn: telling aint the same as WYSIWYG |
| 03:17.51 | dserban | travisat, k, found it ;) |
| 03:17.52 | cheale1 | Jarn: did you try /etc/init.d/gdm start? after closing X probably |
| 03:17.52 | Jarn | deadcat: what is WYSIWYG |
| 03:18.09 | deadcat | !WYSIWYG |
| 03:18.09 | dpkg | WYSIWYG means 'what you see is what you get' |
| 03:18.25 | Jarn | cheal: how do I close x? just the normal alt+ctrl+backspace? cause that still leaves the login screen open |
| 03:18.29 | narcmann | !turd |
| 03:18.29 | dpkg | rumour has it, turd is a wannabe HaXor |
| 03:18.30 | Jarn | deadcat: ah |
| 03:18.48 | cheal | simonrvn: yeah I know your site, I browsed it when I heard about your irritation some time ago |
| 03:19.04 | simonrvn | oh yeh. np |
| 03:19.05 | cheal | Jarn: which login screen? |
| 03:19.07 | ThomasThumb | Can you close X with GDM? |
| 03:19.15 | Biovore | Jarn: /etc/init.d/gdm stop |
| 03:19.31 | Jarn | cheal: well, it did before I installed gdm. I'll see if it still does, but it took me to the debian login screen |
| 03:20.03 | ThomasThumb | Then how to start KDE? |
| 03:20.03 | Jarn | cheal: with the User, Pass, and the big debian symbol |
| 03:20.23 | Biovore | ThomasThumb: /etc/init.d/kdm start |
| 03:20.33 | ThomasThumb | OH thank you, |
| 03:20.53 | ThomasThumb | Was always wondering about that one there. |
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| 03:20.54 | deadrabbit | can anyone help me get sound working in xine through jack? |
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| 03:21.18 | ThomasThumb | I take it you need to stop gdm first? |
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| 03:21.38 | ThomasThumb | Or Gnome? |
| 03:21.58 | ThomasThumb | /etc/init.d/gnome stop First? |
| 03:22.18 | Biovore | witch login manger you want? |
| 03:22.25 | WiFiTux | Is this normal? rw-r----- 1 root adm 3.0M 2005-03-08 21:20 syslog |
| 03:22.29 | Biovore | by default (on boot) |
| 03:22.31 | WiFiTux | 3MB? |
| 03:22.35 | deadcat | WiFiTux: ya |
| 03:23.05 | WiFiTux | deadcat, ok, can i remove all the files from /var/log in case? |
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| 03:23.34 | deadcat | WiFiTux: why you want to do that? if you want to save space just cat /dev/null to it |
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| 03:24.02 | ThomasThumb | I thought all Debian logs clean up after themselves. |
| 03:24.05 | maher | WiFiTux: use logrotate |
| 03:24.08 | WiFiTux | deadcat, clear it with echo /dev/null > syslog? |
| 03:24.16 | deadcat | WiFiTux: CAT |
| 03:24.24 | Jarn | cheal: will gdm be default from now on? or will debian still try and start x? |
| 03:24.30 | Jarn | deadcat: I'll make a screenshot now |
| 03:24.33 | ThomasThumb | that will create a syslog file with nothing in it. |
| 03:24.45 | WiFiTux | deadcat, OK! |
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| 03:25.17 | calin | I'mhaving some problemswith the unstable mini.iso netboot cdrom |
| 03:25.33 | calin | when i get it booted, it starts to load grub, thenstops with "Error 15" |
| 03:25.42 | deadcat | !dm |
| 03:25.42 | dpkg | DM means display manager. xdm, gdm, kdm, wdm, pdm, and login.app are all examples of display managers. Ask me about nodm if you want to disable the DM. |
| 03:25.57 | WiFiTux | deadcat, I don't follow. cat /dev/null /var/log/syslog? or with a > ? |
| 03:26.02 | cheal | Jarn: just to make sure you're not lost, if you see gdm, it means that X is started. with gdm you start and stop X by starting or stopping gdm. from what you say, if you're using sarge, waht you call "the debian login screen" is gdm. otherwise how does it look |
| 03:26.13 | k-man | every so often, i get a process in my process tree called mumet, user www-data |
| 03:26.19 | k-man | any idea what that is? |
| 03:26.21 | deadcat | WiFiTux: just "> /var/log/syslog" without the quotes... |
| 03:26.24 | disgruntled | Hey, I need to clean up some various files from Windows (documents, songs, pictures, not config files or binaries) from Windows viruses. I can't put them on a clean Windows system in case it'll infect it again, so I was wondering if there's a program for Debian that could fix Windows viruses. |
| 03:26.26 | k-man | i have no mumet file on my hdd |
| 03:26.28 | cheal | calin: check what's grub Error 15 should help |
| 03:26.29 | calin | k-man: apt-cache search it |
| 03:26.33 | calin | cheal: thanks |
| 03:26.49 | Jarn | cheal: it wasnt gdm, after I installed gdm it said x was running and that is why gdm didnt start right away |
| 03:26.54 | disgruntled | apt-cache and google didn't turn much up, but I thought somebody here might know |
| 03:26.59 | Jarn | cheal: its not anything like the gdm login screen |
| 03:27.03 | narcmann | 1 |
| 03:27.03 | WiFiTux | deadcat, awesome, thanks |
| 03:27.05 | narcmann | !anus |
| 03:27.05 | dpkg | I still have yet to figure out where the vaseline on my anus comes from... |
| 03:27.21 | Biovore | lol |
| 03:27.21 | cheal | is it kdm? how does it look? |
| 03:27.25 | WiFiTux | deadcat, they all get reloaded on boot right? doesn't acumulate? |
| 03:27.29 | narcmann | !rimjob |
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| 03:27.37 | ARdEBaRAn | hello |
| 03:27.39 | ThomasThumb | Why do you want to remove syslog? |
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| 03:27.44 | Jarn | cheal: it was just a box, without any options, that had one line saying User:, another saying Password:, then one Login button, and a big debian icon in the upper right |
| 03:27.45 | ARdEBaRAn | how can i reconfigure ssh for example |
| 03:27.48 | ARdEBaRAn | using apt? |
| 03:27.50 | deadcat | WiFiTux: if you dont want logs. just use cron and empty it every 15min |
| 03:27.51 | Jarn | that was it, no other buttons, nada |
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| 03:28.14 | abrotman | #debian-kde ? |
| 03:28.17 | Jarn | cheal: wait, that description was wrong |
| 03:28.20 | abrotman | !es |
| 03:28.21 | dpkg | Hispanohablantes: Por favor usen #debian-es, alli obtendran mas ayuda. Spanish Speakers: Please use #debian-es, there you will get much more help. |
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| 03:28.30 | WiFiTux | deadcat, that is exagerated I just don't want a 100mb file |
| 03:28.32 | valdyn_ | ARdEBaRAn: you can't do that with apt. |
| 03:28.39 | Jarn | cheal: there was no login button, it just logged in when you hit enter |
| 03:28.48 | deadcat | WiFiTux: you said 3MB. not 100MB |
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| 03:29.02 | Jarn | cheal: and it says 'Debian GNU/Linux (Jarn)' at the top |
| 03:29.16 | cafuego | WiFiTux: or simply switch off syslogd. |
| 03:29.28 | valdyn_ | ARdEBaRAn: edit the *_config files in /etc/ssh/ |
| 03:29.29 | WiFiTux | deadcat, I know. And I also asked if any of those could become 100mb or else does it get empty alone? |
| 03:29.31 | ARdEBaRAn | valdyn_: i dont know why any remote ip can get connect with my sshd, :( i was looking my sshd_config and i see everything is okey |
| 03:29.42 | cafuego | WiFiTux: I find that a custom logrotate script and bzip2 are generally useful too. |
| 03:29.46 | ThomasThumb | I thought syslog keeps itself from getting too big? |
| 03:30.03 | WiFiTux | ThomasThumb, that's what I;m asking |
| 03:30.06 | ThomasThumb | Dont all the logfiles do that? |
| 03:30.08 | cheal | Jarn: hum...how did you install debian you could try dpkg -l *dm | grep ii |
| 03:30.13 | cafuego | ThomasThumb: No, syslog just keeps going. logrotate CAN keep the size down. |
| 03:30.33 | WiFiTux | cafuego, in the case of a laptop that i reboot daily? |
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| 03:30.48 | deadcat | Jarn: find someone around you and tell them to bitch slap you... |
| 03:30.49 | Jarn | cheal: I installed debian from disks my friend lent me |
| 03:30.52 | ARdEBaRAn | valdyn_: i cant connect in the local network... but remote i cannot |
| 03:30.52 | cafuego | /var/log/mail.log { prerotate /bin/cat /var/log/mail.log | gzip -9 - > /var/log/mail.$(/bin/date +%Y-%m-%d).log.gz; /bin/cat /dev/null > /var/log/mail.log endscript } |
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| 03:30.58 | ARdEBaRAn | valdyn_: i dont know why |
| 03:31.00 | Jarn | deadcat: why now? |
| 03:31.05 | deadcat | Jarn: ya. now |
| 03:31.11 | valdyn_ | ARdEBaRAn: dpkg --purge --force-depends ssh && apt-get install ssh will restore defaults |
| 03:31.20 | Jarn | deadcat: no, why? I didnt pm you or anything |
| 03:31.24 | ARdEBaRAn | okey |
| 03:31.25 | ARdEBaRAn | thanks |
| 03:31.27 | ARdEBaRAn | let me see |
| 03:31.27 | cheal | Jarn: disks...are you using woody? and what did you choose in tasksel (just run it to see, I suppose) |
| 03:31.28 | calin | I"m googling for this and I'm not getting any relevant results. |
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| 03:31.30 | deadcat | Jarn: you deserve it. |
| 03:31.31 | cafuego | WiFiTux: Does it run Windows? |
| 03:31.34 | Jarn | cheal: sarge |
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| 03:31.39 | Jarn | deadcat: for what? |
| 03:31.44 | calin | I"mg una ask in #grub if it exists |
| 03:31.46 | shingouz | ARdEBaRAn: when you say "remote network" do you mean something beyond a NAT? |
| 03:31.47 | Jarn | cheal: I dont have the disks anymore |
| 03:31.52 | deadcat | Jarn: getting a fucking display manager to work |
| 03:32.03 | cheal | Jarn: it's no problem |
| 03:32.07 | WiFiTux | cafuego, dual boot yes. No. I'm in Linux. Does it clear the logs on reboot? |
| 03:32.10 | Jarn | deadcat: it does work, I just wanna know how to set it to default |
| 03:32.12 | Flimzy | I should find someone to buy my LJ4050 printer from me |
| 03:32.18 | cafuego | WiFiTux: No, of course not. |
| 03:32.19 | ThomasThumb | syslog is the only one that grows forever? |
| 03:32.19 | Jarn | deadcat: and do you want me to dcc you the screenshot? |
| 03:32.20 | ARdEBaRAn | shingouz: yes |
| 03:32.39 | deadcat | Jarn: you can just upload it somewhere? i dont know how to accept from irc |
| 03:32.40 | narcmann | !dorito |
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| 03:32.50 | Jarn | deadcat: sure |
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| 03:33.04 | shingouz | ARdEBaRAn: in that case i suspect you need to set up the protforwarding on the NAT and check that the port you use for ssh is not blocked in the first place |
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| 03:33.55 | prock | how can I build/install modules without rebuilding my whole kernel? |
| 03:33.57 | WiFiTux | cafuego, hhmm there should be an option for that in syslogd |
| 03:34.03 | ARdEBaRAn | shingouz: i checked it |
| 03:34.07 | deadcat | prock: what module? |
| 03:34.34 | cafuego | WiFiTux: Why? Just run a crons cript! |
| 03:34.49 | cafuego | WiFiTux: or, again, don't run syslogd. |
| 03:34.49 | prock | alsa intel8x0 module (in the kernel-source-2.6.8 package) |
| 03:34.53 | shingouz | ARdEBaRAn: check /etc/hosts.allow and hosts.deny too, you may have some blocks there too |
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| 03:35.06 | Jarn | cheal: can I run tasksel w/o the disks? |
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| 03:35.34 | WiFiTux | cafuego, well, I want dmesg. and is not that much space. last question, if i delete the file, will it be created again alone? |
| 03:35.47 | cheal | Jarn: sure |
| 03:36.04 | Jarn | cheal: I have desktop environment and mail server |
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| 03:36.25 | Jarn | why do I have mail server... |
| 03:36.27 | deadcat | prock: if its in there. why you want to rebuild? |
| 03:36.32 | ThomasThumb | To serve mail |
| 03:36.47 | deadcat | Jarn: i say bitch slap. |
| 03:36.48 | valdyn_ | WiFiTux: maybe apt-get install anacron logrotate instead of manually deleting log files |
| 03:36.50 | cheal | Jarn: a fresh sarge install with desktop environment checked should install gdm AFAIK. are you sure you didn't have gdm already installed? |
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| 03:37.05 | Jarn | cheal: yeah, it installed it with apt-get |
| 03:37.17 | WiFiTux | maybe |
| 03:37.17 | Jarn | cheal: I did something REALLY stupid when I installed sarge, that is most likely why |
| 03:37.38 | Jarn | cheal: I thought the first disk was just install things and no packages, so I didnt get the packages off it till later |
| 03:37.43 | ThomasThumb | do the command mail yourusername and you will send yourself mail |
| 03:37.46 | nullvoid | I tried to modprobe -r cs46xx but it return FATAL: Module cs46xx is in use. How do I force to remove this? |
| 03:37.48 | Jarn | cheal: so anything that should have been auto-installed, wasnt... |
| 03:37.49 | prock | deadcat: I've custom built my own kernel, but now I want module 'foo'... is there a way I can build it without recompiling my whole kernel? |
| 03:38.20 | ThomasThumb | I think you have to compile in module support for that module. |
| 03:38.24 | deadcat | prock: ya. download driver. tar driver, cd driver, ./configure && make |
| 03:38.54 | cheal | Jarn: hehehe. # tasksel -ris might help you |
| 03:38.55 | cair0 | nullvoid, remove it from /etc/modules.autoload.d/kernel-2.x |
| 03:38.56 | Jarn | deadcat: I'm having trouble uploading the picture, the free hosting servce I use open the uploader in a popup, and firefox is blocking it. :P |
| 03:39.20 | Jarn | cheal: as root? or no? |
| 03:39.24 | deadcat | Jarn: damn. how do i accept shits in irc? |
| 03:39.47 | Jarn | deadcat: I don't know |
| 03:39.53 | Jarn | cheal: do I have to run tasksel as root? |
| 03:40.01 | deadcat | Jarn: ya |
| 03:40.08 | Jarn | deadcat: well, do you use a client? |
| 03:40.10 | nullvoid | cair0: I don't have modules.autoload.d |
| 03:40.23 | deadcat | Jarn: what client? |
| 03:40.31 | cheal | Jarn: yes. that's what I meant by "#" |
| 03:40.34 | Jarn | deadcat: a client to connect to irc? |
| 03:40.37 | Jarn | cheal: ah |
| 03:40.38 | narcmann | nullvoid: /etc/modules |
| 03:40.42 | cair0 | nullvoid, err, sorry, i forgot this was #debian and not #gentoo |
| 03:40.45 | deadcat | Jarn: i use irssi |
| 03:41.07 | Jarn | deadcat: never heard of it, I use xchat. I could tell you how with xchat, but... |
| 03:41.15 | Jarn | deadcat: is that a visual one or a terminal one? |
| 03:41.27 | deadcat | Jarn: just setup a webserver or soemthing |
| 03:41.28 | Jarn | cheal: nothing happened, it opened up the same window as before when I just typed tasksel |
| 03:41.51 | deadcat | Jarn: upload it to lynucs.org (= |
| 03:41.56 | zinx | deadcat: /dcc get nick |
| 03:42.01 | cheal | Jarn: "tasksel" or "tasksel -ris"? |
| 03:42.02 | deadcat | zinx: thanks |
| 03:42.10 | deadcat | Jarn: send to me |
| 03:42.31 | ThomasThumb | dpkg msg |
| 03:42.31 | dpkg | (1) Use private messages to the bots to reduce channel spam, but don't message people on #debian without asking permission first. Most questions should be asked on channel, so that others can benefit from the question and the answers received. (2) Always feel free to message freenode network staff. They're the people with hostnames ending in 'staff.freenode'. ... |
| 03:43.11 | Jarn | cheal: both produced the same result, opening up the tasksel menu thing |
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| 03:43.25 | cheal | Jarn: try to exit |
| 03:43.30 | Jarn | cheal: okay |
| 03:43.31 | deadcat | Jarn: send to me in irc now |
| 03:43.31 | abrotman | !tell ThomasThumb about msg |
| 03:43.36 | Jarn | deadcat: okay |
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| 03:44.19 | ThomasThumb | What is that command to write to dpkg window? |
| 03:44.36 | croddy | hi -- i want to install using an it8212f (iteraid) controller for my primary disk. there is a driver available, but it's not in the d-i kernels afaict. any suggestions? |
| 03:44.44 | Jarn | cheal: Aaaaah! |
| 03:44.49 | deadcat | zinx: dont work. 19:44 DCC no file offered by Jarn |
| 03:44.51 | Jarn | cheal: Wow, that is a LOT of packages! |
| 03:44.56 | cheal | ThomasThumb: /msg dpkg foo |
| 03:45.02 | Jarn | deadcat: peer... |
| 03:45.07 | ThomasThumb | OH thanks had it backwards |
| 03:45.09 | ARdEBaRAn | please |
| 03:45.11 | Jarn | deadcat: It said I offered it to you |
| 03:45.18 | zinx | deadcat: well, he has to offer it |
| 03:45.19 | Jarn | deadcat: "* Offering snapshot2.png to deadcat" |
| 03:45.20 | cheal | Jarn: most likely, if you didn't install CD1 |
| 03:45.27 | ARdEBaRAn | help me, i dont know why i cannot open a remote session to my box with ssh |
| 03:45.44 | ARdEBaRAn | the default setting block it ? or something like that? |
| 03:46.05 | deadcat | Jarn: fuck it. upload it to lynucs.org and msg me the link. dinner time |
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| 03:46.27 | ThomasThumb | More data on ssh please. |
| 03:46.28 | Jarn | cheal: haha, 32 pkgs. :P |
| 03:46.47 | cheal | Jarn: that's not so much |
| 03:46.54 | valdyn_ | ARdEBaRAn: why do you think that error has something to do with ssh? Does _any_ other network service work? ping? |
| 03:46.57 | calin | cheal: oyu there? |
| 03:47.02 | cheal | yes |
| 03:47.23 | ARdEBaRAn | valdyn_: well i have the ports openned at my router |
| 03:47.26 | ARdEBaRAn | open |
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| 03:48.22 | calin | cheal: I got the mini.iso netboot for debian to install debian on my i386 compy, i got it from ftp.debian.org, and the computer has had lmultiple successful net installations, i'm going to try and see if i can't grab a different installer, but i can link you to the iso itself if you want? |
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| 03:48.41 | croddy | re iteraid, perhaps this is the way to go? http://tinyurl.com/4vkpr |
| 03:48.49 | cheal | calin: yes I would like |
| 03:48.51 | Jarn | cheal: should I install the ones it said were recommended but it didnt install? |
| 03:49.02 | ARdEBaRAn | can someone help me? |
| 03:49.05 | daww | how do I extract foo.tar in /? |
| 03:49.07 | abrotman | !es |
| 03:49.07 | dpkg | Hispanohablantes: Por favor usen #debian-es, alli obtendran mas ayuda. Spanish Speakers: Please use #debian-es, there you will get much more help. |
| 03:49.13 | abrotman | daww: don't |
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| 03:49.30 | cheal | Jarn: hum, not necessarily. I think I wouldn't, but I'm not sure |
| 03:49.43 | Jarn | cheal: okay |
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| 03:50.03 | daww | how do I extract foo.tar in /usr/sbin/? |
| 03:50.08 | ARdEBaRAn | valdyn_: any suggestion? |
| 03:50.09 | valdyn_ | ARdEBaRAn: "telnet <remotehost> 21" |
| 03:50.12 | abrotman | !d-i cheal |
| 03:50.13 | dpkg | cheal, you want to go to http://www.debian.org/devel/debian-installer/ - for your own good, and everyone else's. |
| 03:50.16 | jetscreamer | tar xvzf blah |
| 03:50.26 | ARdEBaRAn | valdyn_: you mean 22 |
| 03:50.26 | jetscreamer | bzip is tar xvjf |
| 03:50.30 | ARdEBaRAn | i did it already |
| 03:50.31 | abrotman | daww: don't |
| 03:50.32 | ARdEBaRAn | brb |
| 03:50.32 | calin | daww: tar -xvf <filename> |
| 03:50.38 | abrotman | daww: what are you extracting ? |
| 03:51.00 | daww | wait, think I have it |
| 03:51.01 | jetscreamer | anybody have a hexeditor they like? |
| 03:51.11 | abrotman | daww: what are you extracting ? |
| 03:51.20 | daww | abrotman, just Bittorent |
| 03:51.22 | pjz | jetscreamer: emacs/ |
| 03:51.32 | abrotman | daww: you're an idiot |
| 03:51.33 | jetscreamer | daww, apt-get install bittornado |
| 03:51.38 | abrotman | yeah . that |
| 03:51.43 | Jarn | cheal: so do you know of gdm will start automatically now? |
| 03:51.45 | jetscreamer | or bittorrent but bittornado is a bit better |
| 03:51.49 | abrotman | !tell daww about search |
| 03:51.58 | jetscreamer | <PROTECTED> |
| 03:52.03 | pjz | !tell pjz about search |
| 03:52.04 | daww | abrotman, thank you |
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| 03:52.26 | abrotman | !tell pjz about msg |
| 03:52.29 | Jarn | !tell jarn about search |
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| 03:52.34 | abrotman | what the fuck people |
| 03:52.38 | abrotman | !tell jarn about msg |
| 03:52.47 | abrotman | i'm telling you .. but if you /msg dpkg food .. you can tell yourself |
| 03:52.47 | jjazz | daww azureus just entered unstable, so you can also get it via apt-get |
| 03:52.50 | jetscreamer | i've never installed emacs pjz, are you serious? |
| 03:52.52 | calin | cheal: I found the full cd netinstall, i'm guna get that. |
| 03:52.55 | narcmann | !tell narcmann about anus |
| 03:53.01 | abrotman | jjazz: don't mention unstable |
| 03:53.01 | calin | !anus |
| 03:53.01 | dpkg | I still have yet to figure out where the vaseline on my anus comes from... |
| 03:53.10 | jjazz | abrotman: why not? |
| 03:53.11 | cheal | Jarn: I don't know. reboot your PC to be sure |
| 03:53.16 | dondelelcaro | narcmann: you can /msg the bots |
| 03:53.20 | Jarn | cheal: aye |
| 03:53.25 | jetscreamer | calin, get a daily not the rc2, and btw don't try for lilo it's borked on d-i atm, but grub is going good for a change |
| 03:53.35 | abrotman | jjazz: cause then he'll want to switch to it .. and then it will break . and the someone will yell at him for moving to unstable |
| 03:53.41 | Jarn | cheal: ill do that now |
| 03:53.42 | cheal | calin: BTW are you sure you want to install unstable? what I don't understand yet is what's mini.is |
| 03:53.44 | jjazz | abrotman: fair enough |
| 03:53.45 | Gumby | does anyone in here know where the default pages sizes are kept for printers? ie) A4, Letter etc |
| 03:53.57 | abrotman | jetscreamer: isn't rc3 done now ? |
| 03:53.58 | dondelelcaro | Gumby: depends on the printer, but the default is set using libpaper |
| 03:54.03 | daww | after "apt-get install bittornado" "bittornado" doesn't open bittornado, how do I open it? |
| 03:54.05 | calin | cheal: yeah, i've been using testing or unstable for a while |
| 03:54.05 | cheal | Gumby: check /etc/papersize |
| 03:54.14 | calin | daww: download a torrent |
| 03:54.16 | Gumby | dondek, cheal thx, I'll have a look |
| 03:54.17 | jetscreamer | abrotman, almost but it says get a daily shit is borked for rc2 in sources |
| 03:54.27 | ambycrao | where can i make changes is grub ? cant find any config |
| 03:54.31 | abrotman | jetscreamer: exlax |
| 03:54.38 | jetscreamer | daww, btdownloadgui |
| 03:54.40 | Gumby | cheal: ah, I need to specify the sizes myself. or create my own |
| 03:54.53 | jetscreamer | daww, man btdownload btdownloadgui |
| 03:54.56 | abrotman | !tell daww about refcard |
| 03:54.57 | cheal | calin: well, that doesn't explain to me. testing isn't unstable |
| 03:55.00 | abrotman | !tell daww about fundamentals |
| 03:55.00 | pjz | ambycrao: /boot/grub someplace |
| 03:55.05 | abrotman | go fucking read |
| 03:55.16 | calin | cheal: no worries, i found exactly what i needed |
| 03:55.22 | dondelelcaro | abrotman: yeesh, calm down. |
| 03:55.25 | daww | jetscreamer, "btdownloadgui" gives me "bash: btdownloadgui: command not found" |
| 03:55.33 | cheal | calin: but what's mini.iso? |
| 03:55.35 | abrotman | dondelelcaro: i think he's been here all day :) |
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| 03:55.45 | abrotman | dondelelcaro: not that that really meansi should be mean :( |
| 03:55.52 | cheal | Gumby: I don't know what you mean by "create my own" |
| 03:56.04 | dondelelcaro | daww: you don't have bittorrent or bittornado installed then. |
| 03:56.05 | calin | cheal: somethingi found a while ago and thought it was an installer, i never got it working. i don't know why it's there |
| 03:56.06 | abrotman | pjz: don't /msg me .. or anyone without permission |
| 03:56.13 | abrotman | and i don't care what you think |
| 03:56.13 | jetscreamer | daww, the symlink didn't get installed... i had that. but it functions when you have bittorrent already installed.. so apt-get install bittorrent |
| 03:56.40 | jetscreamer | daww, see also update-menus && the debian menu |
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| 03:56.57 | cheal | calin: hehe :) |
| 03:57.01 | Gumby | cheal: the sizes for both A4 and Letter arent quite right. Letter is too wide and A4 is too short. So I need to adjust either the width or hight on Letter or A4 or create my own |
| 03:57.04 | croddy | this channel has kind of gone downhill! |
| 03:57.07 | jetscreamer | !hexeditor |
| 03:57.17 | jetscreamer | !find hexeditor |
| 03:57.19 | pjz | croddy: no kidding |
| 03:57.23 | dpkg | Debian Search of 'hexeditor' (1): (/usr/bin/hexeditor, /usr/share/info/hexeditor.info.gz, /usr/share/doc/ncurses-hexedit/hexeditor.texinfo.gz) in editors/ncurses-hexedit. |
| 03:57.24 | jetscreamer | bah |
| 03:57.25 | calin | !find hex |
| 03:57.26 | jetscreamer | ahhh |
| 03:57.27 | dpkg | Debian Package Listing of 'hex' (13): ghex ;; ghextris ;; hex ;; hexcat ;; hexcurse ;; hexedit ;; hexer ;; hexxagon ;; khexedit ;; libconvert-binhex-perl ;; libgtkhex0 ;; libgtkhex0-dev ;; ncurses-hexedit. |
| 03:57.33 | dondelelcaro | croddy: if you have a problem, help. Complaining about it isn't going to do any good. |
| 03:57.44 | b33r | is xfs viable to use for root, and why isnt ext3 an option |
| 03:57.47 | jetscreamer | coolness |
| 03:57.49 | cheal | Gumby: oh ok, I don't know then. I think dondelelcaro gave you a hint |
| 03:57.52 | abrotman | croddy: pjz: there is also ##debian if you want a more friendly atmosphere |
| 03:58.00 | abrotman | if not . don't complain .. please |
| 03:58.01 | pjz | b33r: yes and it should be |
| 03:58.10 | jetscreamer | b33r, xfs & reiser you should have a ups. |
| 03:58.12 | pjz | b33r: respectively |
| 03:58.17 | b33r | how is xfs different from the ext's |
| 03:58.25 | jetscreamer | b33r, try jfs |
| 03:58.27 | pjz | b33r: there's compartive docs on the web |
| 03:58.32 | abrotman | b33r: ext3 is an option in the sarge installer |
| 03:58.32 | dondelelcaro | Gumby: eh? the paper sizes should be exactly right. Which program is this that is causing problems? |
| 03:58.33 | b33r | in your opinions |
| 03:58.44 | abrotman | !filesystem comparison |
| 03:58.44 | dpkg | rumour has it, filesystem comparison is http://linuxgazette.net/102/piszcz.html |
| 03:58.45 | daww | jetscreamer, Now I have "apt-get install bittornado; apt-get install bittorent" but "btdownloadgui" doesn't work? |
| 03:58.53 | abrotman | err ... |
| 03:58.55 | abrotman | !fs comparison |
| 03:58.59 | abrotman | bah |
| 03:59.03 | abrotman | !literal fs comparison |
| 03:59.03 | dpkg | fs comparison is <reply> see filesystem comparison, or http://www.linuxmafia.com/faq/Filesystems/reiserfs.html |
| 03:59.06 | jetscreamer | daww, this is in an xterm, right? |
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| 03:59.22 | OrangeRoot1000 | i believe apt got updated last night when i did a dist upgrade and now it is broke and keeps pointing to localhost:80... i can browse the web with a browser, i can see the repositories that i am trying to apt-get in a browser also... any help getting it going again would be great :) |
| 03:59.30 | daww | jetscreamer, yes |
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| 03:59.44 | Jarn | cheal: it ran on startup |
| 04:00.01 | pjz | OrangeRoot1000: check out your /etc/apt/sources.list, sounds like it's busted |
| 04:00.03 | cheal | Jarn: cool. I guess you can figure the rest now |
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| 04:00.09 | abrotman | OrangeRoot1000: check your /etc/apt/sources.list |
| 04:00.09 | jetscreamer | daww, ls /usr/bin/bt* |
| 04:00.10 | Jarn | cheal: I think the old one was xdm, x-display-manager, because when I shut down it said it was stopping the x display manager: xdm |
| 04:00.15 | OrangeRoot1000 | pjz: i did they ar fine |
| 04:00.17 | abrotman | OrangeRoot1000: and if they need fixed .. apt-setup |
| 04:00.18 | Jarn | cheal: tHANK YOU |
| 04:00.22 | Jarn | cheal: oops |
| 04:00.31 | OrangeRoot1000 | let me try apt-setup |
| 04:00.33 | cheal | calin: oh, I just realized what meant "netboot" :) I can't help you there |
| 04:00.40 | abrotman | OrangeRoot1000: backup your current one first |
| 04:00.47 | Gumby | dondelelcaro: ok, I see libpaper, but I dont see any actual files that I can edit to specify my own height/width |
| 04:00.52 | cheal | Jarn: ok, now gdm should be better |
| 04:00.57 | OrangeRoot1000 | abrotman: they are already |
| 04:01.01 | Jarn | cheal: yeah |
| 04:01.05 | jetscreamer | Jarn, it always says that even if it wasn't running... |
| 04:01.06 | abrotman | OrangeRoot1000: just a precaution |
| 04:01.14 | Jarn | jetscreamer: shrug |
| 04:01.20 | OrangeRoot1000 | abrotman: i did earlier :)... always a smart move... |
| 04:01.22 | b33r | its wierd though, the only partitioning options I hae for some reason are: XFS,FAT16,FAT32,swap,new world boot, do not use |
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| 04:01.28 | daww | jetscreamer, ok |
| 04:01.29 | OrangeRoot1000 | ty4 remidning me 2 |
| 04:01.30 | pjz | OrangeRoot1000: also, you might try apt-get update |
| 04:01.39 | OrangeRoot1000 | pjz: it doesnt work |
| 04:02.23 | abrotman | wow |
| 04:02.23 | jetscreamer | holy |
| 04:02.23 | jjazz | cool |
| 04:02.29 | b33r | spllllit |
| 04:02.30 | shingouz | nice |
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| 04:02.36 | OrangeRoot1000 | that was fun |
| 04:02.36 | deeno | lol |
| 04:02.36 | abrotman | fucking christ |
| 04:02.36 | deeno | weeeeeeeee |
| 04:02.37 | croddy | m-m-m-monster kill |
| 04:02.37 | *** mode/#Debian [+o dondelelcaro] by ChanServ |
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| 04:02.37 | shingouz | i am getting woozy |
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| 04:02.37 | OrangeRoot1000 | pjz: apt get will not update at all |
| 04:02.37 | deeno | oh man, i need to play some DOTA now |
| 04:02.37 | cafuego | dondelelcaro: party pooper |
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| 04:02.37 | OrangeRoot1000 | pjz: that is what is giving me the error |
| 04:02.37 | jetscreamer | fix sources |
| 04:02.39 | abrotman | OrangeRoot1000: try apt-setup :) |
| 04:02.42 | pjz | OrangeRoot1000: it's got to be /etc/apt/sources.list then |
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| 04:03.10 | pjz | OrangeRoot1000: what abrotman said |
| 04:03.18 | OrangeRoot1000 | abrotman: dont have apt-setup on my machine |
| 04:03.20 | abrotman | i said it 5 minutes ago |
| 04:03.21 | WiFiTux | dondelelcaro, what was that? |
| 04:03.26 | abrotman | OrangeRoot1000: not debian ? |
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| 04:03.30 | abrotman | !find apt-setup |
| 04:03.32 | dondelelcaro | !fn modes |
| 04:03.32 | dpkg | umodes is, like, http://freenode.net/using_the_network.shtml |
| 04:03.37 | dondelelcaro | WiFiTux: ^^^ |
| 04:03.37 | dpkg | Debian Search of 'apt-setup' (2): (/usr/sbin/apt-setup, /usr/lib/base-config/menu/{apt-setup|apt-setup.mnu}) in base/base-config ;; (/usr/share/debian-cd/data/woody/apt-setup.html.in, /usr/share/debian-cd/data/potato/apt-setup.html.in) in admin/debian-cd. |
| 04:03.38 | OrangeRoot1000 | abrotman: oh it is debian... kanotix |
| 04:03.43 | abrotman | bah |
| 04:03.46 | abrotman | !not debian |
| 04:03.46 | dpkg | Knoppix isn't, Ubuntu isn't, Libranet isn't, Morphix isn't, lnx-bbc isn't, *your* installation you have right now ISN'T.... see if there is a channel available relevant to your distribution, if not, tough. Your questions do not belong here! |
| 04:03.49 | WiFiTux | dondelelcaro, buu |
| 04:03.56 | abrotman | OrangeRoot1000: i have no idea about kanotix |
| 04:04.10 | abrotman | OrangeRoot1000: do they have thier own channel? |
| 04:04.23 | dondelelcaro | -!- #kanotix 33 PAYPAL account for supporting: donate@kanotix.com KANOTIX 2005-01 (i586 and x86_64) is out now! |
| 04:04.27 | dondelelcaro | OrangeRoot1000: see above |
| 04:05.08 | cafuego | Haha, they only just started supporting 586? |
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| 04:05.24 | abrotman | as oppsed to 386? |
| 04:05.45 | jetscreamer | kanotix rocks though |
| 04:05.55 | abrotman | !smack jetscreamer |
| 04:05.59 | dondelelcaro | i686 I can see, as well as i386 or i486... but not i586 |
| 04:06.00 | jetscreamer | no it's been amd64 for a while |
| 04:06.10 | OrangeRoot1000 | abrotman: yes they do but beyond looking and trying to fix /etc/apt/sources.list.. everyone was stumped... apt dist-upgrade came from de respositories for debian |
| 04:06.16 | jetscreamer | he has nice scripts too btw, and ati & nvidia aren't a pain at all |
| 04:06.33 | abrotman | OrangeRoot1000: doesn't make it debian .. .. since obviously you don't have apt-setup |
| 04:06.33 | cafuego | jetscreamer: They're also not a pain on debian. |
| 04:06.57 | jetscreamer | cafuego, heh can't tell from the 'help help' sometimes |
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| 04:07.06 | pjz | jetscreamer: they shoulda spent that energy improving debian instead of forking the distory |
| 04:07.11 | abrotman | since it's in freaking base-config |
| 04:07.17 | pjz | jetscreamer: (IMHO) |
| 04:07.22 | abrotman | distory ? |
| 04:07.26 | abrotman | wtf is a distory ? |
| 04:07.35 | dondelelcaro | abrotman: a forked story |
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| 04:07.42 | croddy | (distorically speaking) |
| 04:07.44 | dondelelcaro | abrotman: like one of those parallel novels or something |
| 04:07.46 | abrotman | dondelelcaro: dis story ? |
| 04:07.51 | jetscreamer | pjz, it's knoppix based, but pure sid |
| 04:07.53 | cheal | jetscreamer: nvidia should be quite good now (can't tell for stable though...) |
| 04:07.55 | cafuego | That's a bistory |
| 04:07.58 | abrotman | dondelelcaro: are you kdding me ? |
| 04:08.06 | dondelelcaro | abrotman: do I look like I'm kidding you? ;-) |
| 04:08.11 | jetscreamer | cheal i run the nvidia.run's w/np |
| 04:08.12 | cafuego | jetscreamer: Sure it's not experimental-only? |
| 04:08.12 | cheal | jetscreamer: of course, you have to know there's the debian way :| |
| 04:08.12 | pjz | er, s/distory/distro |
| 04:08.14 | abrotman | dondelelcaro: i have no idea .. i can't see you |
| 04:08.23 | abrotman | dondelelcaro: it's not even a work ddamn you! |
| 04:08.27 | guorke | which version of debian is the latest? |
| 04:08.27 | abrotman | err word |
| 04:08.31 | abrotman | woody |
| 04:08.32 | jetscreamer | debian? what is this debian? |
| 04:08.35 | jetscreamer | ah woody |
| 04:08.36 | OrangeRoot1000 | 3.0r4 |
| 04:08.40 | jetscreamer | i run potato |
| 04:08.52 | guorke | not 3.1 |
| 04:08.59 | jetscreamer | i just upgraded from hamm |
| 04:08.59 | cheal | no, it's in testing |
| 04:08.59 | OrangeRoot1000 | kk ty anyway |
| 04:09.03 | abrotman | guorke: not officially released yet |
| 04:09.06 | cheal | !tell guorke about releases |
| 04:09.16 | cafuego | guorke: 3.1 hasn't been released yet, no. You can run it as desktop box just fine, though. |
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| 04:09.33 | guorke | ok |
| 04:09.36 | jetscreamer | if it's a desktop, yes please use a d-i daily |
| 04:09.49 | dserban | Errm... How would one go about "timing" an operation ie... i asked earlier about "fast performance" in a terminal, now... how can I time how long it takes for a terminal emu to say... run a ls -lR?? |
| 04:10.05 | abrotman | dserban: man .. wait for it .. man time!!! |
| 04:10.07 | pjz | dserban: 'time ls -lR' |
| 04:10.44 | dserban | abrotman, heh, I know about time, but what that does is... time the length of ls -lR.. not how long it took the terminal to scroll all those wonderful characters in front of my face :) |
| 04:10.57 | abrotman | dserban: man time |
| 04:11.03 | dserban | abrotman, k will do. |
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| 04:11.30 | jetscreamer | well i found all 3 hexeditors oh boy |
| 04:11.30 | b33r | what should I do if, durning an install; an attemp to mount a file system on / keeps failing ? |
| 04:11.32 | cafuego | dserban: Just redirect the output to /dev/null |
| 04:11.33 | abrotman | dserban: or you could send the output to /dev/null .. which won't scroll on your screen :) |
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| 04:12.03 | jetscreamer | b33r, is that a daily? |
| 04:12.14 | b33r | daily? |
| 04:12.18 | b33r | like happening? |
| 04:12.22 | pjz | b33r: what installer are you using? |
| 04:12.25 | jetscreamer | no like daily build |
| 04:12.33 | jetscreamer | you probably got rc2 |
| 04:12.48 | b33r | pjz: i used jigdo to make an image for my ppc laptop |
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| 04:13.04 | dserban | cafuego, I'm trying to see which terminal program will kick gnome-terminal's super slow rendering times. |
| 04:13.05 | deadcat | b33r: what ppc laptop you have? |
| 04:13.06 | cheal | ppc laptop...sounds like fun :-P |
| 04:13.08 | b33r | no its not a daily build, i dont think, its the only build im going to use |
| 04:13.10 | jetscreamer | b33r, http://www.debian.org/devel/debian-installer/ports-status |
| 04:13.15 | abrotman | dserban: xterm ? |
| 04:13.21 | cafuego | dserban: *term |
| 04:13.26 | abrotman | b33r: /msg dpkg ppc |
| 04:13.33 | cafuego | dserban: I think rxvt might be the fastest |
| 04:13.40 | b33r | deadcat: just bought it from a friend .. its a powermac g3 |
| 04:13.42 | deadcat | b33r: search for brenden ppc |
| 04:13.44 | dserban | abrotman, man time brings me to man 2 time which I can code using #include <time.h> |
| 04:13.59 | pjz | dserban: man -k time |
| 04:14.01 | abrotman | dserban: man -k time |
| 04:14.06 | dserban | cafuego, cool it's what I'd thought, though now there's 4 flavours of that :) |
| 04:14.08 | abrotman | i'd guess man 5 time |
| 04:14.11 | abrotman | but i don't remember |
| 04:14.16 | dserban | oh.. shit ... I should man man... sheesh |
| 04:14.19 | cafuego | b33r: Does it have a translucent keyboard? |
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| 04:14.31 | abrotman | no .. man 1 |
| 04:14.35 | abrotman | i feel stupid |
| 04:14.37 | b33r | yes cafuego /reluctantly |
| 04:14.38 | abrotman | oh ... wait .. i am |
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| 04:14.59 | cafuego | b33r: Good, coz they're newworld and will actually boot off the debian cd. |
| 04:15.10 | dserban | time (2) - get time in seconds |
| 04:15.16 | b33r | well it booted ito the install |
| 04:15.16 | deadcat | oldworld mac are shits. dont even waste time |
| 04:15.16 | abrotman | dserban: man 1 |
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| 04:15.19 | daww | How do I search with bittornado in the konsole? |
| 04:15.19 | abrotman | man 1 time |
| 04:15.19 | cafuego | dserban: That's the C function. |
| 04:15.27 | jetscreamer | lol |
| 04:15.28 | b33r | but my friend had *yellow dog** on it and messedd up the hdd |
| 04:15.30 | cafuego | deadcat: You lie. |
| 04:15.35 | dserban | abrotman, yah, I saw that and I tried it originally, .. for some reason... it's not there. |
| 04:15.38 | dserban | w.t.f... |
| 04:15.39 | deadcat | cafuego: no (=. its the fact |
| 04:15.40 | jetscreamer | daww isohunt.com |
| 04:15.44 | deadcat | daww: apt-cache search |
| 04:15.47 | abrotman | dserban: uhm .. om |
| 04:15.48 | abrotman | ok |
| 04:15.48 | cafuego | b33r: Yeah, just boot off cd and reformat the whole thing. You don't want his porn anyway. |
| 04:15.50 | bum_music | hello |
| 04:15.55 | b33r | lol |
| 04:16.05 | b33r | thing is i cant get anyhting to mount on / |
| 04:16.11 | cafuego | deadcat: That would imply my 604e 9650 Workgroup server was shit. |
| 04:16.16 | deadcat | b33r: gay porn. mac users' fav. |
| 04:16.18 | jetscreamer | rc2 bug |
| 04:16.19 | dserban | abrotman, serious: dserban@mars:~$ man 1 time |
| 04:16.19 | dserban | No manual entry for time in section 1 |
| 04:16.22 | jetscreamer | been there |
| 04:16.24 | b33r | checking in #debppc |
| 04:16.36 | deadcat | cafuego: are they single boot or with bootx? |
| 04:16.42 | cheal | !gay |
| 04:16.43 | dpkg | It's OK to fantasize about men and to enjoy anal stimulation. It doesn't mean you're "gay". So stop projecting your insecurities onto others. Using this term as a derogatory adjective is very offensive to some, so do not use it as such. If you continue acting like a child, expect to be devoiced. |
| 04:16.53 | jetscreamer | you can get around it, usually with expert26 b33r |
| 04:16.54 | cafuego | deadcat: BootX, dunno how they go with Quik |
| 04:16.56 | jetscreamer | iirc |
| 04:16.59 | abrotman | !find man1/time |
| 04:17.01 | b33r | omg expertzz? |
| 04:17.04 | b33r | i dont knowww |
| 04:17.08 | dpkg | Debian Package/File/Desc Search of 'man1/time' returned no results. |
| 04:17.10 | deadcat | cafuego: so you have dualboot then? |
| 04:17.11 | bum_music | ummm...bum_music = fart, not gay |
| 04:17.13 | abrotman | bah |
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| 04:17.24 | cafuego | deadcat: No, I don't have the machine anymore, but that's not the issue. |
| 04:17.25 | jetscreamer | b33r at the boot: prompt when you first boot to the cd.. hit f3 and read |
| 04:17.25 | abrotman | !find man1/time.1.gz |
| 04:17.31 | dpkg | Debian Search of 'man1/time.1.gz' (1): (/usr/share/man/man1/time.1.gz) in utils/time. |
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| 04:17.42 | cafuego | deadcat: You imply that machine was shit because it's odlworld. I submit it's not shit in any way. |
| 04:17.44 | deadcat | cafuego: my problem is that bootx seems to require a mac os or something |
| 04:17.50 | b33r | ya i just did boot:install cause i didnt want to mess up my new toy B) |
| 04:17.55 | bum_music | who cares about my problem? |
| 04:17.56 | cafuego | deadcat: yes, it does. |
| 04:18.06 | jetscreamer | b33r, also another gotcha is you have to hit esc in the partitioner to get off the 'format entire hd' screen and see the other one |
| 04:18.24 | shingouz | bum_music: you haven't told us what the problem is |
| 04:18.34 | b33r | ya jetscreamer I am in the screen that lets you mess with all the goods |
| 04:18.48 | b33r | ok i am trying the expert insatall..... restarting ppc |
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| 04:19.06 | dserban | abrotman, hrrm... ok strange... so I've actually used the time command and apparently the time package isn't installed. installing... |
| 04:19.11 | bum_music | I just installed Mepis 3.3 final and I can successfully edit the kmenu as root but not as user |
| 04:19.18 | abrotman | dserban: lovely |
| 04:19.19 | daww | jetscreamer, Ok now I have a torrentfile in /home/x, how do I use bittornado (not the gui) to use the torrentfile and begin download? |
| 04:19.20 | bum_music | everything just goes back as user |
| 04:19.23 | shingouz | bum_music: #mepis |
| 04:19.25 | jetscreamer | xterm and uxterm, why don't they have scrollbars? |
| 04:19.27 | b33r | <PROTECTED> |
| 04:19.35 | abrotman | jetscreamer: you get to help pirate stuff tonight! |
| 04:19.37 | karsten | jetscreamer: They do. |
| 04:19.42 | pjz | jetscreamer: man xterm |
| 04:19.43 | dserban | abrotman, I should've checked which package it belonged to.. |
| 04:19.57 | pjz | jetscreamer: you may have to set up some xresources or something like that |
| 04:20.03 | abrotman | why do they need them? |
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| 04:20.20 | nvz | scrollbars suck. how can anything with scrollbars call itself a terminal emulator, terminals dont have scrollbars |
| 04:20.21 | karsten | abrotman: So they can go for a scroll in the park, silly. |
| 04:20.32 | jetscreamer | daww, something cd to where you want to save it then like btdownloadcurses --responsefile=/path/to/torrent or something.. man btdownloadcurses |
| 04:20.44 | bum_music | what are you trying to tell me shing? |
| 04:20.50 | bum_music | wrong chat? |
| 04:20.51 | abrotman | karsten: what would they talk about? |
| 04:20.57 | jetscreamer | bum_music, go to mephis for help with mephis |
| 04:21.00 | jetscreamer | i think |
| 04:21.01 | shingouz | bum_music: i am trying to tell you that as you use Mepis you are in the wrong place |
| 04:21.05 | karsten | abrotman: terminal conditions. |
| 04:21.10 | abrotman | !based on debian |
| 04:21.11 | dpkg | Knoppix, Libranet, Corel/Xandros, Stormix, Progeny, Lindows, DamnSmallLinux, Ubuntu, Kurumin, Agnula, Xebian, and so on are *not* Debian. Just because something's "based on" Debian doesn't mean we can support it. You'll get a Debian answer, and if it doesn't work, you're out of luck. |
| 04:21.14 | abrotman | bah .. |
| 04:21.17 | abrotman | we can't put them all in there |
| 04:21.24 | jetscreamer | !mephis |
| 04:21.32 | jetscreamer | bah |
| 04:21.33 | abrotman | !memphis |
| 04:21.34 | bum_music | it's debian wearing a pyramid for a hat! |
| 04:21.35 | abrotman | :) |
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| 04:21.43 | nvz | mepis you zoofs |
| 04:21.44 | abrotman | !mepis |
| 04:21.44 | dpkg | MEPIS is a Debian Unstable-based liveCD distribution similar to Knoppix, with its own hardware detection system. Uses KDE by default, and includes the nVidia proprietary 3D driver. It also includes a custom installer on the KDE desktop, with simple LILO configuration. See http://www.mepis.org. It is NOT real Debian, attempts to use apt-get with Debian mirrors will ... |
| 04:21.46 | daww | jetscreamer, thank you! |
| 04:21.46 | shingouz | goes to show that debian is good as it is used as a basis for so many different distros |
| 04:21.47 | abrotman | feel better? |
| 04:21.53 | abrotman | !yinzersmite nvz |
| 04:22.14 | jetscreamer | omg apt-get install drain doesn't work!!!!! |
| 04:22.16 | b33r | jretscreamer, in expert mode its asking me to configure the keyboard and the only options are USB keyb and NO keyboard to configure... what is a guy to do? |
| 04:22.20 | abrotman | dondelelcaro: it's still doing the "..." |
| 04:22.28 | jetscreamer | b33r, is the keyboard working? |
| 04:22.32 | b33r | ya |
| 04:22.33 | karsten | jetscreamer: *brain*, damnit, *brain*. |
| 04:22.36 | jetscreamer | hmmm |
| 04:22.37 | dserban | should bitstream-vera be available to me through xfontsel? oh and how can i tell if defoma's my font manager? |
| 04:22.47 | b33r | those damn experts..... |
| 04:22.58 | jetscreamer | karsten, the drain on my bathroom sink |
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| 04:23.13 | bum_music | boy, there sure is a lot of people on here |
| 04:23.15 | karsten | jetscreamer: You've got to *purge* the old one first. |
| 04:23.18 | bum_music | first time for me |
| 04:23.29 | jetscreamer | karsten, did :) |
| 04:23.32 | shingouz | apt-get install plumber |
| 04:23.33 | karsten | bum_music: Yeah, it's a little wild'n'woolly. |
| 04:23.36 | cafuego | bum_music: only 36 people, the rest are bots. |
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| 04:23.59 | karsten | abrotman: Got to keep up that quantum state. |
| 04:24.06 | dondelelcaro | abrotman: yeah, I haven't had a chance to fix the damn thing yet |
| 04:24.10 | abrotman | karsten: bad bad joke :) |
| 04:24.21 | karsten | nvz: lick it! lick it! |
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| 04:24.29 | speaker11 | hi everyone , I have a language question |
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| 04:24.38 | abrotman | what fun |
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| 04:24.44 | abrotman | ok .. i need to sleep |
| 04:24.50 | karsten | Anyone got a good primer for bootp servers, on a network with an existing DHCP server? |
| 04:24.56 | karsten | speaker11: Just ask. |
| 04:24.57 | cafuego | abrotman: Were you expecting KARSTEN to make a GOOD joke? |
| 04:25.00 | dondelelcaro | karsten: just use the existing dhcp server |
| 04:25.04 | speaker11 | I am using XFCE 4.2 and all of my headings on the apps are not in english- how can I change tem ? |
| 04:25.04 | cheal | abrotman: you must be joking. |
| 04:25.05 | karsten | abrotman: apt-get install sleep. |
| 04:25.07 | abrotman | cafuego: i've never seen him make one |
| 04:25.13 | dondelelcaro | karsten: FE, if you're using ISC's dhcpd, it's really trivial. |
| 04:25.17 | abrotman | damn you people .. you're keeping me awake! |
| 04:25.22 | cafuego | karsten: Add filenames for the boxen that need a kerneel and install tftpf. |
| 04:25.22 | karsten | dondelelcaro: Um. Windows, maintained outside my domain of control. |
| 04:25.30 | cafuego | karsten: pxeboot is your friend. |
| 04:25.36 | pjz | karsten: ISC's dhcpd does bootp too I think |
| 04:25.51 | pjz | oof |
| 04:25.52 | cafuego | karsten: or just make the Linux box say it's authorative ;-0 |
| 04:25.52 | dondelelcaro | karsten: well, possibly screwed then... but you could still use isc's dhcpd server and only have it respond to specific mac addresses and ignore the rest |
| 04:26.02 | duckman75 | how can i check if my nic is running full duplex 100mb? |
| 04:26.09 | karsten | cafuego: is pxeboot independent of dhcp? My understanding is they're related. |
| 04:26.11 | dondelelcaro | karsten: the problem is that you have to keep the windows dhcp server from responding... |
| 04:26.12 | abrotman | ok |
| 04:26.19 | karsten | dondelelcaro: /sbin/ifconfig <interface> reports status. |
| 04:26.46 | karsten | dondelelcaro: Yeah, or I have to come up with an alternate solution. Microdistro on floppy might cut it. |
| 04:26.50 | cafuego | karsten: My dchp server sends some clients a pxeboot binary, (kinda like isolinux) which provides a kernel, which then mounts the rootfs etc... |
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| 04:26.59 | karsten | dondelelcaro: X term server. |
| 04:27.16 | cafuego | karsten: Have a look at the 'diskless' packages. |
| 04:27.20 | karsten | cafuego: Problem is I don't even know the network topology. ping and mtr both block one hop out. |
| 04:27.33 | cafuego | karsten: Unplug the windoze box |
| 04:27.44 | karsten | cafuego: Ooohh. Good call. |
| 04:27.44 | dondelelcaro | karsten: yeah, i'd just try the isc dhcp server only responding to specific mac addresses and/or firewalling out external dhcpd requests if it's just your little lab |
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| 04:28.06 | karsten | cafuego: Trust, if I could find it, I would. All cabling is ducted, and apparently patches in somewhere not immediately visible. |
| 04:28.07 | b33r | has anyone in here used jigdo to get an image recently? |
| 04:28.23 | karsten | b33r: Last time ~2 years ago. netinst is my preferred lately. |
| 04:28.24 | cafuego | karsten: You know, rewire your lab and use the Linux bootp/dhcp/nfs box as router too ;-) |
| 04:28.25 | subopt | How do i find out the ip assiciated with a URL? |
| 04:28.29 | dserban | Thanks for your help guys. Ciao. |
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| 04:28.37 | dondelelcaro | subopt: with dig or host or nslookup |
| 04:28.40 | cafuego | karsten: Just NAT the whole lot |
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| 04:28.44 | subopt | thyx |
| 04:28.45 | karsten | cafuego: Sure. You got a $250k grant with three years' salary for me too? |
| 04:28.47 | b33r | karstenm why is there all these files in this directory http://cdimage.debian.org/pub/cdimage-testing/cd/jigdo-area/powerpc/ |
| 04:28.49 | subopt | thx, rather |
| 04:28.52 | nvz | subopt: www.samspade.org |
| 04:28.56 | cafuego | karsten: That way they can do $WHATEVER to the rest of the network |
| 04:29.20 | cafuego | karsten: Sure, I'll let you have it when I'm done with it ;-) |
| 04:29.23 | b33r | karsten, i just downloaded the first one in that list and it works so far, so why is there like 15 of them |
| 04:29.36 | karsten | cafuego: Right now we've got an isolated segment (192.168.x) which we own, but there's just five boxen there. Another ~30 boxes I'd like to try LTSP or similar with. |
| 04:29.41 | b33r | damn, debianppc is dead |
| 04:29.47 | karsten | b33r: Um. RTFM. IIRC. |
| 04:29.47 | dondelelcaro | b33r: because some people don't have network connections at all |
| 04:30.10 | karsten | subopt: 'host'. |
| 04:30.10 | dondelelcaro | b33r: you don't need the rest of them if you can download them, but if you have to have every single package on CD, you can get it. |
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| 04:30.32 | dondelelcaro | (it's not like it takes up archive space to host jigdo images) |
| 04:30.51 | b33r | oh so the rest of them are all of the packages? |
| 04:31.02 | dondelelcaro | b33r: all of them are all of the packages. |
| 04:31.02 | karsten | b33r: Some of the more usable jigdo docs are written by Peter Jay Salzman (sp?) of LUGoD. |
| 04:31.06 | cafuego | host coffee { filename "pxelinux.0"; } |
| 04:31.58 | b33r | its wierd how its easier for me to install debian off 3 floppies then to go download the image to a cd somewhere |
| 04:32.16 | karsten | b33r: About this time in the discussion someone usually asks "why do you need a full install CD set?" Point being: if you have network connectivity where you're installing, a netinst is _remarkably_ faster -- you're only downloading a small fraction of all packages. |
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| 04:32.23 | karsten | b33r: Yeah, you're learnign ;-) |
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| 04:32.48 | b33r | ya i didnt want the full install... but this is my first ppc install |
| 04:32.49 | guorke | dpkg ? |
| 04:33.01 | karsten | b33r: The only real reason you'd want a full install CD set is if you're installing where you have no, or *very* slow (eg: dialup) access. |
| 04:33.01 | guorke | do you know him |
| 04:33.13 | karsten | guorke: dpkg is a bot. |
| 04:33.14 | deadcat | karsten: they are used to downloading all the cds before installing an OS |
| 04:33.19 | tkooda | I need to make a dangling symlink with a trailing '/' character on it, but `ln -s 'http://bar.com/' 'foo.com'` appears to create a 'foo.com' symlink that points to 'http://bar.com' (note the missing trailing '/'). -anyone got any idea how to the heck to make a symlink with a trailing slash in the destination? |
| 04:33.20 | b33r | ahh ok gotcha karsten,DURR |
| 04:33.29 | karsten | deadcat: Yes, I'm dispelling the myth. |
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| 04:33.46 | karsten | tkooda: You can't. '/' is a reserved character for filesystems. |
| 04:34.18 | deadcat | karsten: i feel sorry for the people i talk to that have to download all the cds but they dont listen to me so fuck'em |
| 04:34.22 | deadcat | (= |
| 04:34.36 | guorke | i mean it's somebody |
| 04:34.37 | guorke | i talk with him |
| 04:34.39 | tkooda | karsten, hrmm.. the fnord package documentation says to create a symlink with a trailing slash, and it won't work w/out it. |
| 04:34.42 | karsten | tkooda: And what you *really* want to do is use Alias or mod_rewrite in apache. |
| 04:34.54 | karsten | tkooda: Someone's smoking crack. |
| 04:35.01 | tkooda | karsten, no I don't. I'm using fnord. |
| 04:35.08 | guorke | but not found now |
| 04:35.13 | karsten | b33r: NP. |
| 04:35.22 | narcmann | Someone selling crack? |
| 04:35.31 | karsten | b33r: FYI, I just did a netinst on a new system yesterday, base install is ~40 minutes over decent DSL. |
| 04:35.34 | cheal | !tell guorke about dpkg |
| 04:35.35 | deadcat | someone offering crack? |
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| 04:35.51 | narcmann | sell the crack to the narcmann |
| 04:36.00 | karsten | deadcat: Pull you pants down halfway, and turn around. |
| 04:36.18 | deadcat | karsten: pants is down. but i am sitting on my chair (= |
| 04:36.21 | guorke | !tell dpkg |
| 04:36.21 | cafuego | !info fnord |
| 04:36.24 | dpkg | fnord: (yet another small httpd), section web, is optional. Version: 1.9-1 (sid), Packaged size: 32 kB, Installed size: 176 kB |
| 04:36.42 | cair0 | isn't there an http server in the kernel? |
| 04:36.56 | cafuego | cair0: Only in broken kernels. |
| 04:36.57 | tkooda | fnord is very small and fast, w/optional dirindex/cgi support |
| 04:36.57 | karsten | cair0: At least one. |
| 04:37.06 | karsten | cair0: *NOT* recommended as a matter of course. |
| 04:37.09 | tkooda | cair0, I think kHttpd is depreciated |
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| 04:37.38 | cafuego | Yes, apache2 threaded when tuned properly turned out to be afster then khttpd. |
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| 04:38.05 | Segers_J | tkooda: deprecated is different from depreciated. |
| 04:38.07 | karsten | cafuego: But it misses all the useful features of kernelspace buffer overflows. |
| 04:38.32 | narcmann | !deprecated |
| 04:38.32 | dpkg | [deprecated] a typo of depreciated, see depreciated, or not a typo according to the jargon file... oh well here it is "you can use it, but it's no longer the best way and will probably be unsupported soon" since when become typos new words |
| 04:38.33 | karsten | Segers_J: Yes, but can you depreciate and amortize your webserver? |
| 04:38.49 | Segers_J | hahaha |
| 04:38.50 | Nwallins | depreciated is a typo of deprecated |
| 04:38.51 | cair0 | so i wonder whos idea was it to put a webserver in the kernel |
| 04:38.58 | cair0 | that seems totally unnecessary |
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| 04:39.12 | karsten | cair0: Because it's there. |
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| 04:39.27 | cair0 | karsten, that makes no sense |
| 04:39.28 | pjz | cair0: I'm sure you can google for the discussions on kernel-dev to find out who wrote it and how they defended the insanity |
| 04:39.40 | cafuego | karsten: Oops! |
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| 04:39.43 | karsten | cair0: IIRC it was one way of countering MSFT fud about IIS serving static pages faster than Linux. So someone just wrote a static page-server kmod. |
| 04:39.45 | Segers_J | the idea was that the context switches between kernel space and user space made a differencd in the overall speed. |
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| 04:40.06 | karsten | cafuego: Don't Panic! |
| 04:40.11 | bouncing | Hey, so I noticed we've got this deforma thing.. Do I use that to ask X to use a different DPI font size or do I just etc the config file? |
| 04:40.12 | Segers_J | apparently that isn't true |
| 04:40.14 | cair0 | karsten, ah i see |
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| 04:40.17 | cafuego | WHEN WILL LINUX KERNEL GET XML SUPPORT!!! |
| 04:40.25 | karsten | bouncing: 'defoma', not 'deforma' |
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| 04:40.48 | karsten | bouncing: And I've NFC how it works, other than that it does, most of the time. |
| 04:40.48 | DeMeritus | Hey there. |
| 04:40.50 | simonrvn | cafuego: .... heh |
| 04:40.51 | bouncing | karsten: okie dokie |
| 04:41.04 | Segers_J | cafuego: shortly after you write the patch |
| 04:41.15 | DeMeritus | Anyone have a moment to help me with a wlan problem? |
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| 04:41.23 | cheal | when will the apocalypse happen? |
| 04:41.37 | bouncing | karsten: Well, mostly, I want smaller fonts, and the way I used to do that was to just switch to using another dpi font. But I haven't been paying attention to the font servers, how debian configures, them etc. |
| 04:41.41 | guorke | how install usb disk |
| 04:41.41 | karsten | cheal: Shortly after the arrival of the four horsemen. |
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| 04:41.56 | pjz | !tell DeMeritus about ask |
| 04:41.57 | Segers_J | cheal: soon for me, cafuego is not one to be messed with ;) |
| 04:42.11 | cafuego | Segers_J: Eh! |
| 04:42.11 | karsten | bouncing: Most WMs allow you to specify display fonts, check your WM / DE's controls for same. |
| 04:42.30 | _ReDRuM_ | apt-get gentoo <3 |
| 04:42.31 | karsten | bouncing: You can also try swapping order of 75/100 dpi fonts in /etc/X11/XF86Config-4 |
| 04:42.38 | _ReDRuM_ | emerge -C debian |
| 04:42.39 | karsten | bouncing: ...no idea if that hack still works. |
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| 04:42.50 | DeMeritus | I have a Prism2 WLAN card, which works just spiffily. I can connect to the access point just fine. |
| 04:42.56 | karsten | guorke: USB-connector first. |
| 04:43.09 | bouncing | karsten, I'd rather do it system wide. |
| 04:43.10 | narcmann | anyone have an Averatec 3200 series lappy? |
| 04:43.20 | guorke | sure |
| 04:43.21 | DeMeritus | The thing is, I just set it up to use WEP, and my prism2 card just refuses to connect now. |
| 04:43.37 | karsten | bouncing: XF86Config4 then, I think. |
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| 04:43.46 | bouncing | karsten, That's what I always do but I wasn't sure if with the font server being the fist option, if I should use the font server and whatnot |
| 04:43.46 | cafuego | DeMeritus: Set the crypto key on the card using iwconfig |
| 04:44.00 | cair0 | karsten, or xorg.conf |
| 04:44.08 | DeMeritus | iwconfig tells me that my prism2 card doesn't support it. |
| 04:44.11 | cafuego | cair0: There is no xorg in debian. |
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| 04:44.15 | karsten | bouncing: Y'know, I still pretty much throw up my hands at fonts. |
| 04:44.24 | cafuego | DeMeritus: Which driver did it load? |
| 04:44.33 | karsten | cafuego: but is there *Elvis* in Debian? |
| 04:44.42 | cafuego | karsten: yes |
| 04:44.46 | DeMeritus | prism2_cs |
| 04:44.48 | bouncing | karsten, hehe |
| 04:44.52 | karsten | cafuego: Elvis is everywhere. |
| 04:44.52 | cafuego | karsten: apt-get install elvis |
| 04:45.02 | guorke | which irc server for vim ,do you use vim? |
| 04:45.04 | cair0 | cafuego, sorry, gentoo use here |
| 04:45.12 | cafuego | sudo slay elvis && echo Elvis is dead |
| 04:45.37 | DeMeritus | cafuego: This card works with WEP under Win2K, though. |
| 04:45.42 | cafuego | DeMeritus: and 'iwconfig ethX key s:MyKeY' doesn't work? |
| 04:45.54 | DeMeritus | cafuego: Exactly. |
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| 04:45.57 | dondelelcaro | cafuego: no, it's ... && echo "Elvis has left the building" |wall |
| 04:46.20 | DeMeritus | cafuego: iwconfig wlan0 key open |
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| 04:46.32 | cafuego | dondelelcaro: it's more like rgrep -i elvis / | xargs rm -rf |
| 04:46.41 | DeMeritus | cafuego: SET failed on device wlan0 ; Operation not supported. |
| 04:46.42 | dondelelcaro | cafuego: heh |
| 04:46.50 | cafuego | DeMeritus: prism2_cs doesn't use the wlan0 device. |
| 04:46.56 | DeMeritus | Is this normal/expected behavior for this? |
| 04:47.08 | cafuego | DeMeritus: Unless you're using a nonstandard driver. |
| 04:47.19 | DeMeritus | cafuego: Well, what should I be using? |
| 04:47.25 | guorke | which editor you use? |
| 04:47.33 | Guerin | guorke: there is only one editor |
| 04:47.41 | b33r | damn, jetscreamer the expert option didnt help, its still not letting me mount anthing on / ,i tried xfs and ext3 they both failed :( |
| 04:47.42 | cheal | Guerin! |
| 04:47.43 | Guerin | the others are naught but pale imitations |
| 04:47.45 | guorke | emacs? |
| 04:47.48 | Guerin | cheal! |
| 04:47.49 | cafuego | DeMeritus: The in-kernel prism2_cs/orinoco_cs should create an ethX device, not a wlanX one. |
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| 04:48.00 | Guerin | guorke: you get 1 RMS Brownie Point |
| 04:48.01 | cheal | hehe, where were you? |
| 04:48.23 | narcmann | !brownie |
| 04:48.27 | DeMeritus | cafuego: Hmmm. |
| 04:48.32 | Guerin | been incommunicado -in countries with C20th telecommunications systems, and now in an apartment with no internet |
| 04:48.49 | Boris_Javert | Cafuego - Demeritus, Worse case senorio you could switch back to using a ndiswrapper for your wlan so you get some of the windows functionality (wep key) while staying in linux. |
| 04:49.00 | Boris_Javert | Just a thought |
| 04:49.03 | Guerin | why use wep? |
| 04:49.20 | Guerin | isn't it weak as piss anyhow? |
| 04:49.29 | cafuego | Boris_Javert: He should use the normal free driver. it works fine and doesn't do weird-ass shit like calling devices wlan0. |
| 04:49.29 | DeMeritus | Guerin: It's better than nothing. |
| 04:49.32 | Boris_Javert | guerin, agreed |
| 04:49.58 | DeMeritus | Guerin: Although I'll implement something better here on my local network after I get just something... anything working. |
| 04:50.02 | Guerin | DeMeritus: if you need to protect your data, encrypt it with ssh tunnels or ssl/tls/etc |
| 04:50.03 | guorke | great |
| 04:50.12 | DeMeritus | Guerin: I already do that. |
| 04:50.22 | Guerin | DeMeritus: so what's the benefit in wep? |
| 04:50.30 | Guerin | I'm not baiting, I really don;t know |
| 04:50.30 | DeMeritus | Guerin: I just want to keep some random jerkoff here in my building from using my net connection. |
| 04:50.35 | Guerin | hah |
| 04:51.31 | cheal | Guerin: apartment with no internet...sounds like you're on a pilgrimage :) |
| 04:51.42 | DeMeritus | Guerin: Since I started using WEP, the guy hasn't been able to connect. |
| 04:51.43 | guorke | what mean 1 RMs bronie point? Guerin: |
| 04:52.17 | Guerin | cheal: not quite, just moved to a new job/new place/etc - the people running the show are more than 10x as incometent as your average asian bureaucrats |
| 04:52.20 | DeMeritus | Meaning that I actually get to use my WLAN, instead of it being saturated by someone else's traffic. |
| 04:52.24 | Guerin | which is pretty fucking incompetent |
| 04:52.57 | Guerin | DeMeritus: I could suggest other ways to achieve this goal... but most of them are a bit messy |
| 04:53.10 | Guerin | guorke: it means you guessed correctly |
| 04:53.39 | guorke | oh |
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| 04:54.20 | DeMeritus | Guerin: Well, what I've suggested would work for me, and should, in theory, be readily applicable. |
| 04:54.24 | Nafed | has anyone noticed that with the latest ftp update you can no longer ftp to localhost? |
| 04:54.26 | guorke | which os system you use,guerin? |
| 04:54.27 | cheal | Guerin: what are you doing in asia? you used to be in new zealand right? |
| 04:54.50 | DeMeritus | Guerin: So I'd greatly appreciate help in gettin gthis WEP thing set up. |
| 04:54.50 | guorke | i'm in asia |
| 04:55.00 | DeMeritus | Just so I have something to work with. |
| 04:55.18 | Guerin | cheal: I lived there for the first 24 years or so... been in asia since |
| 04:55.21 | Guerin | I'm in korea |
| 04:55.24 | maher | DeMeritus: can't you just use mac address blocking |
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| 04:55.38 | Guerin | DeMeritus: I don't know a lot about wlan, as should be clear from my questions |
| 04:55.38 | DeMeritus | maher: I have friends come over. |
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| 04:55.53 | Nafed | has anyone noticed that with the latest ftp update you can no longer ftp to localhost??? |
| 04:55.55 | DeMeritus | maher: So please, trust me, I'd rather just have WEP working. |
| 04:56.04 | maher | DeMeritus: is it more hassle to set up wep or type in their mac addresses? |
| 04:56.05 | Guerin | DeMeritus: so stop whining and do it] |
| 04:56.10 | cheal | Guerin: cool...do you have a website or something about you? |
| 04:56.11 | Guerin | zounds |
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| 04:56.17 | DeMeritus | Guerin: Well, I've tried. |
| 04:56.20 | b33r | deadcat: when you said I should look up Brenden ppc, were you trying to get me to use gentoo? |
| 04:56.30 | Guerin | yeah, but like most sites, there's nothing on it |
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| 04:56.50 | cheal | Guerin: hehe, I was wondering why you moved to korea |
| 04:56.56 | DeMeritus | This prism2 driver is saying any reconfiguration i try is unsupported. |
| 04:57.10 | Nafed | ftp: connect: Invalid argument |
| 04:57.14 | Guerin | cheal: see the world, make money, teach english to poor benighted asians |
| 04:57.16 | Nafed | i keep getting that |
| 04:57.19 | Guerin | in roughly that order |
| 04:57.33 | guorke | i am in china |
| 04:57.44 | guorke | how about china |
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| 04:57.54 | DeMeritus | The issue isn't WEP's (in)security. it's in getting something to keep the mindless dumbasses out. |
| 04:58.13 | Guerin | guorke: chinese money ain't worth enough to cover my monthly minimum payment on my credit card |
| 04:58.26 | Guerin | guorke: at least, not in the amounts an english teacher gets |
| 04:58.41 | Guerin | DeMeritus: passwords not working? |
| 04:58.43 | DeMeritus | So... any suggestions for actually getting a working onfiguration? |
| 04:58.46 | cheal | Guerin: teach english to poor asians...I guess that can't be what you mean by make money |
| 04:58.49 | DeMeritus | Guerin: Nothing works. |
| 04:59.01 | Guerin | cheal: koreans aren't poor |
| 04:59.05 | guorke | but sth is cheap ,in china |
| 04:59.23 | DeMeritus | Guerin: Anything I try changing via iwconfig is unsupported. |
| 04:59.30 | cheal | south korea? |
| 04:59.38 | guorke | are you a teacher? :) |
| 04:59.47 | DeMeritus | Which is a bit surprising, since the prism2 chipset is supposed to be supported and all. |
| 04:59.49 | Guerin | cheal: a good bet, since nobody uses the internet in north korea |
| 04:59.49 | Boris_Javert | demeritus, can you do a iwlist scan? |
| 04:59.58 | DeMeritus | Boris_Javert: Yes, I can. |
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| 05:00.21 | DeMeritus | Boris_Javert: I just can't change anything. |
| 05:00.44 | Guerin | guorke: I'm planning a road trip through china next year, about this time |
| 05:00.49 | guorke | how can copy some words here? |
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| 05:01.05 | cafuego | guorke: Nice & wintery, hmmm. |
| 05:01.18 | guorke | you could go beijing or shanghai |
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| 05:01.23 | cuga | Hey when playing a dvd in mplayer, is cpu bouncing around 30-50% normal? |
| 05:01.31 | guorke | ok |
| 05:01.35 | Guerin | yeah, probably beijing -> nepal |
| 05:01.35 | Boris_Javert | DeMeritus, can you unload and reload the module then try to change the settings...? I know its a long shot maybe they got stuffed or some one should stuff a sock in me ;) |
| 05:01.39 | dondelelcaro | cuga: depends on what type of machine you've got |
| 05:02.07 | daww | how do I burn with cdrecord (I'm running a 2.6.8 kernel) |
| 05:02.10 | cuga | dondelelcaro, XP3200 cpu |
| 05:02.22 | DeMeritus | Boris_Javert: I've tried it before, although... what module loading arguments should I give? |
| 05:02.38 | Guerin | DeMeritus: might also be worth asking #wireless |
| 05:02.45 | cheal | Guerin: ok, tell me when you have a filled site or someone wrote about your life :) |
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| 05:03.11 | Guerin | cheal: nah, I'm too lazy to write much of anything |
| 05:03.18 | Coily | quick networking question: should disabling ssid broadcasting disable computers from connecting to the network wirelessly? |
| 05:03.23 | guorke | don't writ |
| 05:03.26 | Guerin | my wife has a bunch of stuff up, though, and some old photos |
| 05:03.31 | Guerin | http://liminil.net |
| 05:03.31 | DeMeritus | Guerin: I believe I did before, and only got "WEP SUX LOLROFL!!1!one!!1! |
| 05:03.42 | Guerin | DeMeritus: so much the same as in here, heh. |
| 05:03.48 | jjazz | Coily: Not if they already know the ssid |
| 05:03.51 | DeMeritus | Guerin: pretty much. |
| 05:04.18 | jjazz | Coily: broadcasting is like advertising. Even if you don't advertise, some people might know about the service from other methods |
| 05:04.40 | DeMeritus | I'm half-considering just giving up entirely on Linux, to be honest, and switching to netBSD or FreeBSD. |
| 05:04.49 | Guerin | heh |
| 05:04.57 | Guerin | because they have so much more hardware support |
| 05:05.00 | Coily | jjazz, but only through social engineering i assume. it seems my router doesnt have a simple 'off' switch for wireless conectivity |
| 05:05.03 | maher | DeMeritus: yeah - cos they have wau better wifi driver support |
| 05:05.26 | DeMeritus | Guerin: Well, this card was working on a friend's FreeBSD laptop. :) |
| 05:05.53 | que` | question if it's ok: should i set lilo to superblock or master boot record? |
| 05:06.07 | DeMeritus | que`: MBR is what I suggest. |
| 05:06.12 | jetscreamer | farkfarkfark damn flexpvc has a hole in it |
| 05:06.18 | DeMeritus | que`: Although make a bootable floppy. |
| 05:06.25 | jetscreamer | que`, mbr |
| 05:06.29 | jetscreamer | and that |
| 05:06.35 | que` | DeMeritus: i can make a bootable floppy easy enough |
| 05:06.44 | DeMeritus | que`: Good, good. |
| 05:06.49 | que` | DeMeritus: i just couldn't decide whether mbr was safe or not |
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| 05:06.59 | DeMeritus | que`: Should be relatively safe. |
| 05:07.10 | jetscreamer | que`, why woody though, it's a server? |
| 05:07.15 | jetscreamer | and yes mbr rox |
| 05:07.21 | jetscreamer | good forwindows too |
| 05:07.23 | Boris_Javert | Demeritus, lsmod -r prism2 and lsmod prism2 then it couldn't hurt to do dmesg | grep prism2 to see if there were any problems (replacing prism2 with what ever your card module is called. ) |
| 05:07.32 | que` | DeMeritus: didn't mean to sound like i knew it all with that statement |
| 05:07.56 | que` | jetscreamer: actually, and don't hate me, i'm using slackware, cause my friend suggested it |
| 05:08.07 | Guerin | we don't hate you |
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| 05:08.09 | jetscreamer | ah |
| 05:08.10 | Guerin | we pity you |
| 05:08.21 | que` | jetscreamer i tried the stable realease of debian, and i couldn't get any eth0 drivers |
| 05:08.21 | tvn | I use Windows |
| 05:08.21 | jetscreamer | i want to do lfs after i retire |
| 05:08.32 | Guerin | tvn: you're not even worth pitying |
| 05:08.40 | jetscreamer | que`, got to go sarge/d-i if it's not a server |
| 05:08.59 | jetscreamer | i run dos6.22 |
| 05:08.59 | que` | jetscreamer i'm setting it up as a web/mail server |
| 05:09.03 | jetscreamer | ah |
| 05:09.05 | DeMeritus | que`: Slackware has a really nice lilo setup script. |
| 05:09.15 | jetscreamer | woody's lilo rox |
| 05:09.19 | que` | DeMeritus ya, it seems involved |
| 05:09.59 | jetscreamer | i do not want to return to home depot for the 3rd time in 24 hrs |
| 05:10.08 | jetscreamer | those bastards |
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| 05:10.17 | cheal | jetscreamer: run dos, or run from dos? |
| 05:10.18 | jetscreamer | selling me a pipe with a hole |
| 05:10.25 | jetscreamer | i run dos atm |
| 05:10.37 | jetscreamer | i just upgraded from ibmdos |
| 05:10.41 | karsten | cheal: I say take off and nuke it from orbit. It's the only way to be sure. |
| 05:10.52 | Guerin | word |
| 05:10.57 | jetscreamer | baremetal |
| 05:10.57 | Guerin | i mean |
| 05:10.59 | Guerin | Writer |
| 05:11.09 | jetscreamer | lol... |
| 05:11.16 | jetscreamer | word... abiword. |
| 05:11.20 | Guerin | naw |
| 05:11.21 | cheal | jetscreamer: cool, so the one that was still distributed in potato? :) |
| 05:11.26 | DeMeritus | Boris_Javert: lsmod -r did nothing. |
| 05:11.33 | Guerin | it all comes back to emacs |
| 05:11.37 | jetscreamer | no i dual boot potato and 6.22 |
| 05:11.40 | karsten | Guerin: vim! |
| 05:11.46 | Guerin | so instead of saying word, I'll just say 'emacs' from now on |
| 05:11.50 | Coily | is there a simple command to show my nic's mac address? |
| 05:11.56 | Guerin | karsten: s/v/d/ |
| 05:11.58 | cair0 | emacs? |
| 05:12.01 | karsten | Coily: ifconfig |
| 05:12.05 | Coily | thanks |
| 05:12.07 | DeMeritus | Coily: ifconfig |
| 05:12.07 | jetscreamer | quake3 is my shell |
| 05:12.08 | cair0 | i thought we were talking about editors, not operating systems |
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| 05:12.24 | karsten | Coily: 'HWaddr', specifically. |
| 05:12.28 | Guerin | cair0: word is neither |
| 05:12.30 | jetscreamer | i've actually done that |
| 05:12.36 | daww | I have installed the bittorrent package via apt how do I remove it? |
| 05:12.38 | cheal | jetscreamer: ok, thought you were referring to Debian GNU/DOS. beats GNU/Hurd in all cases ;) |
| 05:12.40 | karsten | Guerin: s/m/e/ |
| 05:12.49 | jetscreamer | apt-get remove --purge blah daww |
| 05:12.55 | Coily | karsten, extra thanks |
| 05:12.55 | karsten | daww: aptitude remove <foo> |
| 05:12.58 | jetscreamer | daww, --purge is optional |
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| 05:13.03 | karsten | !tell jetscreamer about aptitude |
| 05:13.07 | jetscreamer | craptitude |
| 05:13.10 | Guerin | aptitude bad |
| 05:13.20 | karsten | Guerin: aptitude wicked. |
| 05:13.25 | jetscreamer | well i got burned with aptitude when it first made the sid scene |
| 05:13.33 | daww | jetscreamer, I just need torrentstorm what I know, so away with bittorrent |
| 05:13.34 | Guerin | in the shakespearean sense |
| 05:13.36 | jetscreamer | it seemed to do good last night |
| 05:13.36 | DeMeritus | Is it bad that I still use dselect? |
| 05:13.40 | De_Mon | jetscreamer what did it do? |
| 05:13.42 | jetscreamer | i use dselect |
| 05:13.58 | Guerin | I just use apt-* |
| 05:14.05 | Guerin | and lots of awk |
| 05:14.08 | Boris_Javert | Demeritus; Sorry my stupid, us modprobe -r and just modprobe to remove and add. |
| 05:14.15 | jetscreamer | De_Mon, i used --with-suggests --with-recommends ... and every single apt-get or aptitude those settings remained |
| 05:14.20 | karsten | DeMeritus: No, it means you'll probably collect your Social Security. |
| 05:14.38 | jetscreamer | dselect is your god |
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| 05:14.53 | DeMeritus | karsten: I don't follow. |
| 05:15.04 | daww | jetscreamer, Do you know how I burn a cd with cdrecord? |
| 05:15.08 | karsten | DeMeritus: Then lead! |
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| 05:15.12 | jetscreamer | do yo gotta run update-menus as root for it to do any good? |
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| 05:15.20 | DeMeritus | karsten: Mind you, the USA basically has little to no social security system left anymore. |
| 05:15.23 | jetscreamer | daww, i just use k3b |
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| 05:15.39 | Crow | where does apt-get source extract to? |
| 05:15.42 | karsten | daww: cdrecord -v -tao -eject driveropts=burnfree -pad dev=0,0,0 <imgfile> |
| 05:15.57 | karsten | daww: ...where dev= is determined by processes specified in TFM. |
| 05:16.08 | karsten | Crow: PWD. |
| 05:16.12 | Guerin | Crow: cwd |
| 05:16.28 | karsten | Guerin: P! |
| 05:16.32 | Crow | Oh, geeze, I am dumb. |
| 05:16.38 | TheGoodDocta | question about new users... I just created a new user but they cannot login via SSH or via the login prompt at the terminal -- any ideas on how to fix that? I just found out that debian has no equiv to the wheel gourp |
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| 05:16.54 | karsten | TheGoodDocta: Give them a password? |
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| 05:17.09 | TheGoodDocta | karsten: yeah, i did |
| 05:17.17 | karsten | TheGoodDocta: any log data? |
| 05:17.37 | TheGoodDocta | karsten: checking... |
| 05:17.37 | De_Mon | TheGoodDocta did you give them a shell? |
| 05:17.39 | jetscreamer | man ssh.config or something |
| 05:17.42 | TheGoodDocta | yeah bash |
| 05:18.19 | De_Mon | that sounds fishy if they can't login via the login prompt |
| 05:18.19 | jetscreamer | ah nm |
| 05:18.45 | daww | jetscreamer, You think that k3b is better than cdrecord, even for command? |
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| 05:19.02 | De_Mon | look at other shell users in /etc/passwd, chancs are the shell doesn't exist |
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| 05:19.22 | DeMeritus | Hmmm. |
| 05:19.26 | guorke | where's irc server for linux kernel |
| 05:19.34 | karsten | TheGoodDocta: /var/log/auth.log should show the login attempts. |
| 05:19.42 | cair0 | #kernel |
| 05:19.44 | karsten | guorke: There is none. |
| 05:19.48 | DeMeritus | guorke: I haven't seen that kernel patch yet. |
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| 05:19.51 | python | hello |
| 05:19.57 | De_Mon | hi |
| 05:19.58 | DeMeritus | python: Ni there. |
| 05:20.00 | karsten | guorke: Um. A k-mode IRC server, or a #kernel channel? |
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| 05:20.29 | guorke | sure ,a #kernel channel |
| 05:20.30 | Guerin | eep |
| 05:20.43 | Guerin | kernel-mode irc server = please pwn me h4rd3r |
| 05:20.44 | python | dous anyone know how to set up the start button like it is in xandros |
| 05:20.46 | python | ? |
| 05:20.49 | daww | karsten, TFM? |
| 05:20.49 | python | in kde |
| 05:20.59 | Guerin | python: the people in #xandros probably do |
| 05:21.01 | deadcat | python: no. try #xandros |
| 05:21.02 | karsten | !tell daww about tfm |
| 05:21.08 | karsten | daww: As in RTFM. |
| 05:21.12 | karsten | daww: ask the bot. |
| 05:21.15 | jetscreamer | how big is the mbr in hex? |
| 05:21.26 | karsten | jetscreamer: 512 bytes. Do the math. |
| 05:21.28 | TheGoodDocta | karsten: hmm... just grepd /var/log/messages for sshd and found nothing |
| 05:21.31 | deadcat | 2gig |
| 05:21.32 | jetscreamer | k thx |
| 05:21.34 | b33r | i know this isnt the right channel, but debianppc is dead: what should i do if i keep getting : the attemp to mount a file system type ext3 in IDE1 master, partition#3 (hda3) at / has failed. |
| 05:21.37 | guorke | no kernel-mode irc server |
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| 05:21.49 | guorke | i mean a kernel channel |
| 05:21.49 | karsten | jetscreamer: 0x200 |
| 05:22.10 | karsten | guorke: /query chanserv list *kernel* |
| 05:22.18 | daww | karsten, hehe, TFM now I rekognize the term ;) |
| 05:22.24 | guorke | there's nobody in #chernel |
| 05:22.37 | karsten | guorke: Hrm. Try #charnel... |
| 05:22.47 | Guerin | irc.oftc.net #kernelnewbies |
| 05:22.48 | karsten | guorke: ...that's a joke, BTW. |
| 05:23.02 | Guerin | karsten: he wants kernels \, not kannibals |
| 05:23.10 | jetscreamer | try #kernel |
| 05:23.21 | deadcat | try #KFC |
| 05:23.32 | De_Mon | TheGoodDocta auth.log |
| 05:23.38 | karsten | Guerin: what? You've never had a kernel eat itself? |
| 05:23.53 | guorke | ok |
| 05:24.04 | Guerin | karsten: can't say as I have |
| 05:24.11 | karsten | guorke: Actually, you _probably_ want LKML or comp.os.linux.development.kernel. |
| 05:24.14 | Coily | so, do any home network users actually run radius servers? |
| 05:24.19 | DeMeritus | Hmmm. |
| 05:24.20 | Guerin | Coily: no |
| 05:24.34 | Coily | just psk then? |
| 05:24.38 | guorke | how can save all above content |
| 05:24.42 | TheGoodDocta | De_Mon: thanks -- checking |
| 05:24.46 | guorke | i am in win |
| 05:24.52 | guorke | use mirc |
| 05:24.58 | Guerin | guorke: take lots of screenshots |
| 05:25.02 | guorke | but i cant save contents |
| 05:25.10 | guorke | ;$ |
| 05:25.47 | jetscreamer | forcefsck469469.... hmm |
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| 05:26.09 | jetscreamer | what is the ext3 equiv of file allocation tables? |
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| 05:26.54 | cafuego | jetscreamer: ext3 doesn't have an equivalent to that bad design decision. |
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| 05:27.22 | jetscreamer | where are partitions defined then, the mbr? |
| 05:27.36 | cafuego | jetscreamer: yes. |
| 05:27.54 | jetscreamer | okie... i have a leftover fat32 one then i think |
| 05:27.59 | cafuego | jetscreamer: Same goes for a disk containing a FAT32 or similar partition. |
| 05:28.14 | DeMeritus | Hmmm. |
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| 05:28.30 | jetscreamer | 1 hd, 2 partitions.. hda1 is ext3, hda2 is fat32 |
| 05:28.48 | jetscreamer | 2 fat32 partition definitions i 'think |
| 05:28.52 | guorke | what diffrence between ext3 and ext2? |
| 05:28.54 | cafuego | fat32 or hidden fat32? |
| 05:28.56 | cafuego | guorke: 1 |
| 05:29.00 | jetscreamer | journal, gourdin |
| 05:29.02 | guorke | df |
| 05:29.04 | jetscreamer | err guorke |
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| 05:29.20 | jetscreamer | ext3 has a journal |
| 05:29.21 | zamolxes | jetscreamer, http://www.tldp.org/HOWTO/HOWTO-INDEX/os.html#OSPARTITIONS |
| 05:29.28 | jetscreamer | thankee zamolxes |
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| 05:30.08 | guorke | gourdin? |
| 05:30.09 | zamolxes | jetscreamer, http://www.tldp.org/HOWTO/Filesystems-HOWTO.html even |
| 05:30.54 | kingsley | Is there a module, core file or something that can diagnose why a kernel crashes? |
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| 05:31.27 | jetscreamer | lol... Any misuse of the MBR by any of the OS's leads to problems..... |
| 05:31.31 | jetscreamer | go figure |
| 05:31.45 | jetscreamer | kingsley, usually for freshness it's initrd related |
| 05:32.16 | kingsley | jetscreamer: Can you elaborate? |
| 05:32.21 | zamolxes | kingsley, did you check your logs? |
| 05:32.31 | jetscreamer | if you just did a kernel... if you just installed, you need to boot up somehow and rerun lilo or grub-update |
| 05:32.44 | kingsley | zamolxes: I checked /var/log/messages. |
| 05:32.47 | jetscreamer | kernel/initrd install/lilo-grub |
| 05:33.48 | zamolxes | kingsley, nothing there? it's always a good ideea to check your cpu temperature, and run memtest |
| 05:33.49 | kingsley | jetscreamer: It boots OK. My problem is intermittent kernel crashes after running for minutes to months. |
| 05:34.03 | DeMeritus | I should start working on a production for Breakpoint 2005. |
| 05:34.15 | jetscreamer | there's kernel debugging modules if you wanna get hairy |
| 05:35.15 | zamolxes | kingsley, is this a recent problem? hardware/kernel changes? |
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| 05:36.05 | cheal | Guerin: http://liminil.net/korea/story.html is very interesting, not mentionning the eyes training provided by the grey on grey theme :-P I see you must have had some influence on your wife's site |
| 05:36.14 | Guerin | haha |
| 05:36.19 | Guerin | nope, none at all |
| 05:36.36 | bltzfsck | if the foreground in my console goes green, does that mean my monitor has died? |
| 05:36.44 | Guerin | she taught herself html and css because she hates ugly websites |
| 05:36.50 | cheal | Guerin: well, it's as hard to believe as the fact you're an english teacher |
| 05:36.58 | cheal | impressive |
| 05:36.59 | kingsley | zamolxes: There are line in /var/log/messages that I question, but none that jump out at me as causing the kernel to crash. |
| 05:37.00 | Guerin | how is that hard to believe? |
| 05:37.08 | Guerin | i speak english, and I can even spell |
| 05:37.22 | bltzfsck | spell boustrophedon |
| 05:37.26 | bltzfsck | i dare ya |
| 05:37.28 | cheal | Guerin: yeah but I thought you had a job in computing world |
| 05:37.35 | Guerin | heh |
| 05:38.05 | Guerin | I often think I should have one, given some of the 'sysadmins' who come in here |
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| 05:38.28 | kingsley | zamolxes: My kernel has been intermittently crashing for months. It *may* have started at *about* the same time as installing a CD/DVD burner and upgrading the kernel. |
| 05:38.32 | jetscreamer | lies, you don't speak or write any language Guerin |
| 05:38.39 | Guerin | wtf is a boustrophedon? |
| 05:38.46 | Guerin | a dinosaur of some kind? |
| 05:38.54 | jetscreamer | hey Guerin how do you spell 'yo bo say yo' |
| 05:39.00 | Guerin | jetscreamer: no, it's my moinkeys who do it all for me |
| 05:39.02 | jetscreamer | aka hellp |
| 05:39.05 | jetscreamer | hello |
| 05:39.20 | Guerin | jetscreamer: yoboseyo is actually more like 'hi' |
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| 05:39.28 | jetscreamer | thx |
| 05:39.30 | cheal | Guerin: I didn't find which photo was one of you |
| 05:40.02 | Guerin | feayn.org~/lewis/lg.jpg # 2 years old, very stone, sunday morning |
| 05:40.14 | jetscreamer | very stone? |
| 05:40.16 | Guerin | more like 2.5 years old now |
| 05:40.18 | zamolxes | kingsley, well, try changing your kernel, changing your IDE cables |
| 05:40.21 | bltzfsck | boustrophedon is a kind of writing that goes from right to left on one line, left to right on the next, then back and forth |
| 05:40.22 | Guerin | jetscreamer: +d |
| 05:40.29 | Guerin | bltzfsck: funky |
| 05:40.37 | bltzfsck | from the greek words meaning bull turning |
| 05:40.47 | jam3s | what version for debian to be use for i686? |
| 05:40.53 | bltzfsck | like an ox pulling a plow, back and forth |
| 05:40.55 | jam3s | ia64? |
| 05:41.00 | bltzfsck | it's very old greek writing |
| 05:41.08 | bltzfsck | so what's wrong with my monitor? |
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| 05:41.23 | Guerin | jam3s: 1386 |
| 05:41.27 | Guerin | s/1/i/ |
| 05:41.50 | jam3s | ok |
| 05:41.58 | kingsley | zamolxes: It seems to me that diagnosing the problem would lead to a fix quicker than guessing. |
| 05:42.09 | bltzfsck | you wanna talk about triskadekaphobia? |
| 05:42.09 | cheal | Guerin: hahahah. I was wondering if you were http://www.liminil.net/gallery/album02/mangoes thanks |
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| 05:42.16 | jetscreamer | Guerin, my hair was longer than that once |
| 05:42.18 | narcmann | i thought it had something to do with lightning fsck, like nazi germany fsck |
| 05:42.45 | Guerin | cheal: hah, nah, that's my wife's grandfather |
| 05:42.54 | jetscreamer | now it's barely on my ears and i want a haircut... god |
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| 05:43.35 | mackgyver | hello |
| 05:44.22 | tvn | can someone tell me what the latest kernel-image in Woody is ? I am not on Woody this moment |
| 05:44.33 | Guerin | !pdo |
| 05:44.33 | dpkg | http://packages.debian.org/ - here you can search for debian packages and their contents. Pretty Damned Obvious, isn't it? |
| 05:44.35 | jetscreamer | i have hair IN my ears now |
| 05:44.38 | karsten | tvn: packages.debian.org |
| 05:44.43 | jam3s | Guerin: 3.0r4 is good than 3.0r2? |
| 05:44.43 | mackgyver | hello? |
| 05:44.55 | jetscreamer | !hi mackgyver |
| 05:44.56 | dpkg | Many greetings, mackgyver, most strange traveller, to this IRCdom of plenty. |
| 05:45.03 | karsten | jetscreamer: You think that's bad? Wait 'til it starts turning grey. |
| 05:45.08 | mackgyver | need some help |
| 05:45.11 | tvn | karsten: and how do you search for it on that website ? kernel-image is not a complete name |
| 05:45.20 | jetscreamer | karsten, i wish wait... |
| 05:45.22 | narcmann | Grey hair on your ears? |
| 05:45.25 | cafuego | Eww, aural short 'n curlies |
| 05:45.29 | Guerin | jam3s: its' got more security patches |
| 05:45.33 | karsten | tvn: Suggest you explore the page. |
| 05:45.53 | mackgyver | does anyone know if you get booted from a channel |
| 05:46.03 | mackgyver | for a virus |
| 05:46.06 | mackgyver | how to get back |
| 05:46.11 | jetscreamer | tvn /msg dpkg find kernel-image woody |
| 05:46.22 | Guerin | mackgyver: depends on the channel and the virus |
| 05:46.34 | karsten | mackgyver: Um. There's various activity which can do that. Best bet is to ask at the channel or op channel of the server you were booted from. |
| 05:46.35 | mackgyver | its a porn password channel |
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| 05:46.56 | jetscreamer | !lart mackgyver |
| 05:46.58 | Guerin | mackgyver: then you might have to send naked pictures of yourself |
| 05:47.02 | mackgyver | dont know what type of virus |
| 05:47.04 | getram22 | any one used atlantis Browser |
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| 05:47.09 | tvn | jetscreamer: thanks |
| 05:47.11 | mackgyver | they told me i could come back |
| 05:47.18 | mackgyver | just to get rid of the virus |
| 05:47.28 | mackgyver | didn't know i'd need further instruction |
| 05:47.32 | karsten | mackgyver: You wouldn't happen to be running Debian, would you? |
| 05:47.38 | jetscreamer | mackgyver, /join #pornochan |
| 05:47.38 | mackgyver | must have been something else i was supposed to do |
| 05:47.48 | mackgyver | is it pretty good? |
| 05:47.49 | Guerin | mackgyver: send naked pics to the admins, I guarantee they'll let you in |
| 05:47.49 | jam3s | Guerin: which of two much preferr to use? 3.0r4 or 3.0r2? |
| 05:47.51 | karsten | mackgyver: This is off topic here. |
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| 05:48.00 | mackgyver | sorry |
| 05:48.07 | mackgyver | just want to know how to get back |
| 05:48.09 | Guerin | if you have any involving barnyard animals or octagenarians, that could work too |
| 05:48.09 | mackgyver | the virus is gone |
| 05:48.13 | jetscreamer | !d-i jam3s |
| 05:48.13 | dpkg | jam3s, you want to go to http://www.debian.org/devel/debian-installer/ - for your own good, and everyone else's. |
| 05:48.21 | jetscreamer | mackgyver, /join #pornochan |
| 05:48.30 | Guerin | jam3s: use 4 |
| 05:48.35 | jam3s | :) |
| 05:48.42 | mackgyver | no one there |
| 05:48.50 | Guerin | or follow jetscreamer 's advice |
| 05:48.53 | daww | What pdf reader have the search option (search for text in the pdf) that I can get via apt? |
| 05:49.01 | jetscreamer | mackgyver, /join #$pornochan |
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| 05:49.13 | jetscreamer | that's a variable btw |
| 05:49.17 | Guerin | daww: pdftotext |
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| 05:49.23 | Guerin | or might be 2text |
| 05:49.24 | mackgyver | still no one there |
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| 05:49.37 | Guerin | !moron mackgyver |
| 05:49.38 | dpkg | mackgyver: You are moron #15 |
| 05:49.42 | seberino | what OUTGOING udp ports does DNS require besides 42? If i *ONLY* allow 42 through my firewall then DNS doesn't work.. if I allow ALL udp packets then DNS works!?! |
| 05:49.48 | peterS | seberino: 53 |
| 05:49.50 | karsten | daww: xpdf. Most of the DE-specific PDF readers. |
| 05:49.51 | Guerin | the real mcgyver wouldn't need an irc channel to get porn passwords |
| 05:50.02 | peterS | seberino: UDP 53 most of the time, but it uses TCP 53 on occasion too |
| 05:50.02 | mackgyver | thats damn funny |
| 05:50.04 | seberino | peterS: RREALLY!? |
| 05:50.07 | c4_ | is some way to make my own basedebs.tar with the deb files on my machine? |
| 05:50.08 | karsten | daww: There was a good summary of same at LWN recently, part of the "grumpy editor's guide" series. |
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| 05:50.22 | jetscreamer | !pr0n |
| 05:50.22 | peterS | seberino: really. |
| 05:50.22 | dpkg | i guess pr0n is porn-get is at http://www.lesbian.mine.nu, or http://www.pornolize.com/cgi-bin/pornolize2/pornolize2.cgi?lang=en&url=http%3A%2F%2Fwww.debian.org, or see pr0n.sf.net |
| 05:50.22 | seberino | peterS: WHY does nameserver show up in /etc/services only as 42? |
| 05:50.26 | mackgyver | all he would need is a paperclip, some chewing gum... |
| 05:50.27 | c4_ | i mean IN my machin |
| 05:50.28 | c4_ | e |
| 05:50.38 | jetscreamer | !any ideas |
| 05:50.38 | dpkg | Yeah, I have an idea! But I'll need a bag full of herring, a little cod liver oil, and 42 rabid hamsters. And keep the FBI off my back for the next few hours! |
| 05:50.47 | Guerin | he'd just make a sniffing device out of gum, a hairpin and a piece of charcoal |
| 05:50.57 | peterS | seberino: my /etc/services shows 'nameserver' at TCP 42, but 'domain' at TCP 53 and UDP 53 also aliased as 'nameserver' |
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| 05:51.27 | mackgyver | so seriously why aren't they letting me back in |
| 05:51.31 | mackgyver | the virus is fixed |
| 05:51.33 | seberino | peterS: thanks! i was stuck on that one for a while |
| 05:51.35 | Guerin | !htfswk mackgyver |
| 05:51.36 | dpkg | mackgyver: How The Fuck Should We Know? |
| 05:51.41 | karsten | mackgyver: Shut up and go away. |
| 05:51.46 | mackgyver | damn it |
| 05:51.49 | peterS | seberino: np. DNS does not use TCP 42, I don't know what that one is |
| 05:51.50 | karsten | !ops kick mackgyver please |
| 05:51.51 | dpkg | Hydroxide, bob2, caphuso, dondelelcaro, doogie, eeyore-, ElectricElf, greycat, helix, ljlane, LoRez, mentor, Netsnipe, TML, walters, xk: kick mackgyver please |
| 05:51.52 | mackgyver | allright |
| 05:51.57 | mackgyver | thanx anyway |
| 05:52.03 | mackgyver | how bout this |
| 05:52.03 | daww | karsten, ok, btw if I want to make a script "apt-get install xpdf" I will be asked before "Do you want to continue? [Y/n]" is there someway to go around this? |
| 05:52.12 | mackgyver | if i tell you the name of the channel |
| 05:52.15 | Guerin | daww: man apt-get |
| 05:52.16 | mackgyver | help me get back in |
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| 05:52.23 | karsten | daww: apt-get -y install |
| 05:52.47 | peterS | daww: also, you should investigate 'aptitude install' instead of 'apt-get install'. it is slightly more intelligent. |
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| 05:52.48 | tcsetattr | the comment in /etc/services next to 42/tcp says "IEN 116" . google://IEN+116 reveals it to be a protocol from 1979. The most recent mentions of it seem to be the 1988 question "is anyone still using IEN 116?" |
| 05:52.55 | karsten | daww: There are options to set verbosity of apt-get, I don't mess with those myself. |
| 05:53.01 | karsten | !bob2++ |
| 05:53.49 | jetscreamer | hey wtf do i do a bugreport on, for failure to wipe the fat32 partition entry compleatly out of the mbr (for this ext3 / i'm running atm) |
| 05:54.04 | jetscreamer | cfdisk? or what is cfdisk a front end for? |
| 05:54.06 | peterS | tcsetattr: heh. I was too lazy to dig that up (: |
| 05:54.16 | karsten | jetscreamer: cfdisk is itself. |
| 05:54.17 | Guerin | jetscreamer: whatever you use to wipe it - grub, or dd, or whatever? |
| 05:54.23 | daww | peterS, hmm, why is almost everyone use apt-get then? |
| 05:54.40 | jetscreamer | cfdisk and mkfs... then i did a d-i install |
| 05:54.44 | peterS | daww: because apt-get is older than aptitude. apt-get was a proof-of-concept frontend for apt, not originally intended for production use |
| 05:54.45 | dondelelcaro | daww: people who know tend not to use it. |
| 05:54.46 | jetscreamer | and redid it |
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| 05:54.56 | karsten | daww: apt-get is the older, more established command. |
| 05:55.07 | karsten | !tell daww about aptitude |
| 05:55.07 | jetscreamer | dselect is your god |
| 05:55.09 | peterS | daww: aptitude doesn't have all the same command-line commands as apt-get, but the ones it *does* have, it works slightly better |
| 05:55.14 | karsten | daww: read that link the bot just gave you. |
| 05:55.23 | Guerin | bah, nothing beats apt-* and awk |
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| 05:55.30 | daww | karsten, do you use apt-get or aptitude? |
| 05:55.30 | Guerin | at leats it's predictable |
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| 05:55.49 | Guerin | hah, it's official: karsten==nothing |
| 05:55.51 | karsten | daww: for install/remove, aptitude. There are some actions which require apt-get, eg: update. |
| 05:55.57 | peterS | Guerin: ha |
| 05:55.59 | kkinder | This is a little weird. On my new debian install, the mouse wheel seems to pass weird events to the application. In firefox, it navigates the history and in xterms, it scrolls. most apps it does nothing. |
| 05:56.04 | karsten | Guerin: I'm more nothing than you can deal with ;-) |
| 05:56.16 | Panzerboy | hi all |
| 05:56.16 | peterS | karsten: no, aptitude has an 'update' |
| 05:56.23 | karsten | peterS: Ah. Good. |
| 05:56.28 | Guerin | it's ok. too much of nothing makes me ill at ease |
| 05:56.29 | peterS | karsten: it doesn't have 'source' or 'build-dep' or a few things like that |
| 05:56.29 | kkinder | I checked xev and the button mapping is right, but somehow x is sending funky events to the apps |
| 05:56.32 | karsten | peterS: Time to rewire the fingers.... |
| 05:56.58 | peterS | karsten: no big deal, I don't think 'aptitude update' is functionally different from 'apt-get update' |
| 05:57.00 | karsten | peterS: ...or, um, dselect-upgrade IIRC. |
| 05:57.17 | peterS | karsten: right, or dselect-upgrade. |
| 05:57.20 | karsten | peterS: They're the same. aptitude install/remove handles deps and logs changes better. |
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| 05:57.49 | peterS | karsten: right, the 'update' function doesn't seem any different, is what I mean. 'upgrade' and 'install' of course do the auto install tracking thing |
| 05:58.13 | Panzerboy | and what happens if one mixes apt-get with aptitude? |
| 05:58.17 | Panzerboy | are there any issues ? |
| 05:58.17 | karsten | peterS: update really doesn't do much state change stuff, other than get new package lists. |
| 05:58.19 | peterS | Panzerboy: it works fine |
| 05:58.30 | karsten | Panzerboy: ...well, modulo some stuff. |
| 05:58.35 | Panzerboy | :) |
| 05:58.47 | peterS | Panzerboy: the big draw for aptitude is that if you tell it to install foo and foo depends on libfoo0, aptitude remembers that libfoo0 was not specifically requested |
| 05:58.57 | karsten | Panzerboy: aptitude handles recommends differently, and will automatically remove any packages installed _only_ to fill deps. |
| 05:58.58 | Panzerboy | i see |
| 05:59.03 | peterS | Panzerboy: then later if you uninstall foo, it'll notice that libfoo0 has nothing depending on it, and wasn't installed by specific request, so it removes that too |
| 05:59.13 | getram22 | <PROTECTED> |
| 05:59.16 | Panzerboy | oh, cool |
| 05:59.27 | karsten | Panzerboy: ...but if you'd installed libfoo explicitly, it would stay until you removed it, explicitly. |
| 05:59.36 | Guerin | getram22: lynx |
| 05:59.40 | karsten | Panzerboy: ...basically obviating the need for deborphan, most of the time. |
| 05:59.42 | Panzerboy | i see |
| 05:59.54 | Panzerboy | well, thanks, didn't know that |
| 05:59.58 | Guerin | aptitude's purge/remove logic is screwy |
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| 06:00.05 | peterS | Panzerboy: the full-screen aptitude UI lets you toggle the state of a package between auto-installed and not-auto-installed. so if you install something with apt-get, you can run aptitude and flag all the dependencies as auto-installed so that they'll be removed as soon as nothing needs them |
| 06:00.05 | karsten | getram22: "embedded?" Console? lynx, w3m, links. |
| 06:00.06 | getram22 | Guerin, cool ... that is what i would like |
| 06:00.06 | b33r | whats the best fs to use for /boot? ext3 or newworld boot parition, iyho? |
| 06:00.17 | Panzerboy | i thought aptitude is just a front end to apt/dpkg |
| 06:00.20 | Guerin | b33r: ext2/3 |
| 06:00.22 | karsten | getram22: If you just need "fetch this page" stuff: wget or curl. |
| 06:00.27 | kingsley | Does a line beginning with "Oops: " in dmesg's output show where the kernel crashed? |
| 06:00.28 | jetscreamer | b33r, you don't need all those multiple partitions anymore, unless you need it |
| 06:00.31 | b33r | thanks guerin |
| 06:00.38 | peterS | Panzerboy: it is. but it can be used either as a command-line thing or as a full-screen thing |
| 06:00.41 | b33r | doesnt it increase performance hetscreamer |
| 06:00.41 | karsten | b33r: Depends on size, I'd do ext2 myself, the journal file's largish. |
| 06:00.42 | Guerin | kingsley: oops != crash |
| 06:00.49 | getram22 | yeah but the user will be in trouble |
| 06:00.51 | b33r | jetscreamer* |
| 06:00.53 | jetscreamer | time to see what my hexediting did... hopefully i didn't fuxor my entire hd |
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| 06:01.03 | Panzerboy | peterS: well, i didn't know about the command-line part :) |
| 06:01.17 | karsten | b33r: performance on /boot is an issue precisely *once* in the lifecycle of a system boot. |
| 06:01.17 | peterS | Panzerboy: lots of people don't. I try to spread the word (: |
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| 06:01.40 | daww | I was running "apt-get install xpdf" after that |
| 06:01.48 | daww | is that correct |
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| 06:01.50 | karsten | Panzerboy: ...and there's a lot of gratuitous bashing of aptitude by people who don't understand it. |
| 06:01.51 | b33r | well i will be botting up this laptop like 5 times a day, karsten |
| 06:01.56 | b33r | botting* |
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| 06:02.00 | b33r | boooting**** |
| 06:02.05 | Panzerboy | i see |
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| 06:02.17 | guestish | in bitchx what is the command to message through a dcc chat session? |
| 06:02.19 | karsten | b33r: Um. You're talking fractions of a second. I'd get suspend-to-disk to work in that case. |
| 06:02.29 | b33r | over-my-head |
| 06:02.30 | Panzerboy | brb, coffee time :) |
| 06:02.30 | karsten | guestish: aptitude install irssi |
| 06:02.38 | guestish | karsten: in bitchx |
| 06:02.49 | karsten | b33r: sleep/hibernate mode. Rather than shutting down/rebooting, you'd hibernate/wake. |
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| 06:02.52 | Guerin | b33r: better to build a minimal kernel, boot into cli instead of x, and turn off everything |
| 06:02.55 | karsten | guestish: Yes. |
| 06:03.01 | guestish | no, how in bitchx |
| 06:03.07 | karsten | guestish: ;-) |
| 06:03.12 | Guerin | presuming you can't get suspend working properly, which is a fair presumptio |
| 06:03.22 | pjz | how do I tell why a bug that seems to be fixed in the bug system isn't fixed in testing? |
| 06:03.30 | guestish | i figured it out |
| 06:03.38 | Guerin | pjz: version? |
| 06:03.41 | b33r | ya guerin, i am thinking i wount be ablt to get the suspend to work on this ppc |
| 06:03.51 | pjz | Guerin: version of what? |
| 06:03.55 | kkinder | so yeah... any thoughts on my mouse sending the wrong events on wheel scrollings? |
| 06:04.00 | daww | to install xpdf I should run "aptitude install xpdf", right? |
| 06:04.09 | deadcat | daww: try it |
| 06:04.23 | pjz | Guerin: bug 219760 was fixed in jan of *2004* but I just found it on an install from testing |
| 06:04.39 | OrionBerlin | Could someone help me, how do i mount by WIndows Partition in Linux? Need to know it fast becouse i need to go work and burn something . I tried OrionBln:/home/orion# mount /dev/hda5/ /mnt/Games/ mount: you must specify the filesystem type and it dont work |
| 06:04.46 | karsten | daww: Yes. |
| 06:04.53 | b33r | guerin: is cli a windows manager? |
| 06:04.54 | daww | deadcat, I have but it removed 308 packages |
| 06:05.04 | Guerin | pjz: is the fixed version of the package installed on this machine? Or a previous version... |
| 06:05.07 | pjz | b33r: cli is 'command line interface' |
| 06:05.08 | deadcat | OrionBerlin: -t vfat |
| 06:05.11 | Guerin | b33r: no. |
| 06:05.14 | b33r | oh DURR |
| 06:05.17 | karsten | OrionBerlin: mount -t ntfs -r /dev/hda5 /mnt/Games |
| 06:05.18 | deadcat | daww: try apt-get |
| 06:05.28 | Gumby | if I have a server running cups, do I need to have cups running on my client box to use that printer? |
| 06:05.28 | b33r | my bad, i should have known that |
| 06:05.32 | karsten | OrionBerlin: What version of windows? |
| 06:05.42 | Guerin | Gumby: no, you just need a cups client |
| 06:05.46 | OrionBerlin | karsten, windows xp, fat32 |
| 06:05.48 | karsten | OrionBerlin: Win9*/ME: vfat. WinNT/2K/XP: NTFS |
| 06:05.53 | Gumby | Guerin: awesome, thx |
| 06:05.54 | karsten | OrionBerlin: vfat. |
| 06:06.19 | karsten | Guerin: Um. cups client? |
| 06:06.25 | deadcat | karsten: but mount should be smart enough to detect it though right? |
| 06:06.26 | OrionBerlin | ah thanks :)) |
| 06:06.34 | karsten | OrionBerlin: NP. |
| 06:06.46 | Guerin | karsten: some cupsys client stuff, yeah. |
| 06:06.57 | vircuser | Anyone contend that Seagate makes the best harddrives? |
| 06:06.59 | karsten | Guerin: Hrm. |
| 06:06.59 | Guerin | you don't need a cupsd running |
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| 06:07.13 | karsten | vircuser: You could probably get Seagate to say that. |
| 06:07.15 | pjz | Guerin: installed version is a later version than the version in the bug report |
| 06:07.17 | daww | karsten, "aptitude install xpdf" give "The following packages are unused and will be REMOVED: 0 packages upgraded, 8 newly installed, 291 to remove and 225 not upgraded." |
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| 06:07.19 | omry_ | I create a 2.6.8.11 kernel deb, do I neeed to create a new initrd file? can I use the old one? |
| 06:07.22 | daww | karsten, why? |
| 06:07.31 | karsten | daww: 'dpkg -l xpdf' |
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| 06:07.39 | vircuser | karsten; Then who does, because I've enver heard anything bad about Seagate compared to other drives |
| 06:07.41 | deadcat | daww: cus aptitude is dumb |
| 06:07.41 | shygrrl | so can someone help me adopt a package :) |
| 06:07.43 | karsten | daww: ... 'il' at the start of the line says it's already installed. |
| 06:07.52 | deadcat | shygrrl: no |
| 06:07.53 | shygrrl | im finding the instruction confusing |
| 06:08.02 | OrionBerlin | karsten, i cant write on the partition |
| 06:08.04 | guestish | whats the xchat command to rejoin a channel |
| 06:08.05 | Guerin | pjz: file another bug against it with detailed instructions on how to replicate it. It might be a new bug with the same syptom, etc. |
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| 06:08.25 | deadcat | guestish: /rejoin |
| 06:08.29 | Guerin | shygrrl: ask on #debian-devel |
| 06:08.30 | Guerin | err |
| 06:08.31 | karsten | vircuser: drive quality varies by batch. Some vendors do better generally. Whoever it is that makes Baracudas has a usually excellent rep. |
| 06:08.33 | shygrrl | ahh ok :) |
| 06:08.34 | shygrrl | thanks |
| 06:08.35 | Guerin | debian-devel mailing list |
| 06:08.40 | Guerin | not irc channel |
| 06:08.48 | karsten | OrionBerlin: You mounted it read-only. 'man mount' for options. |
| 06:08.49 | guestish | deadcat: nope |
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| 06:09.18 | deadcat | guestish: close xchat and open the fucker again. |
| 06:09.22 | seberino | s |
| 06:09.28 | guestish | deadcat: lol |
| 06:09.38 | Gumby | Guerin: and what about sharing the printer. Can cups be detected by windows boxes? Or do I still need to setup samba |
| 06:10.00 | karsten | Gumby: I was printing to a CUPS-managed printer via samba from Windows boxen. |
| 06:10.08 | vircuser | karsten; Wtf, Seagate is who makes the Barracuda |
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| 06:10.18 | jackinthebox | i cant get any 2.6 kernel to boot on my system. i get pivot_root error, dev/console doesnt exist, kernel panic attempted to kill init. please help me. |
| 06:10.23 | karsten | vircuser: OK. Seagate generally has a good rep. |
| 06:10.28 | vircuser | karsten; :) |
| 06:10.41 | karsten | vircuser: warranty is among your better guides. Longer is better. And install smartmontools. |
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| 06:12.18 | daww | karsten, Sorry but I don't understand, why is 308 packages being removed when i run "aptitude install xpdf"? |
| 06:12.30 | karsten | daww: Ah. |
| 06:12.37 | deadcat | aptitude is messing with you |
| 06:12.43 | Guerin | daww: because aptitude is stupid |
| 06:12.46 | karsten | daww: That's one of the issues with the apt-get / aptitude changeover. |
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| 06:12.58 | karsten | daww: It gets better ;-) |
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| 06:13.06 | jackinthebox | use synaptic. |
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| 06:13.19 | deadcat | synaptic is for pussies |
| 06:13.28 | karsten | daww: Copy that list. Install xpdf *plus* the packages being removed. Other than libs. |
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| 06:13.40 | karsten | jackinthebox: synaptic doesn't solve this problem. |
| 06:13.50 | karsten | daww: You comfortable with vi? |
| 06:13.50 | Gumby | lol |
| 06:14.00 | Guerin | haha |
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| 06:15.40 | narcmann | synaptic? |
| 06:15.50 | karsten | !tell narcmann about synaptic |
| 06:16.00 | daww | karsten, no, but I know it a bit |
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| 06:16.22 | karsten | daww: Copy that list. Paste it into vi. Massage so that it's one long line. |
| 06:16.24 | narcmann | oh, i thought someone was talking about the shitty touchpad in the averatec lappies |
| 06:16.28 | daww | karsten, kate and all other apps is now gone thanks to aptitude |
| 06:16.35 | karsten | daww: then: aptitude install xpdf <pasted long line> |
| 06:16.52 | narcmann | daww: I doubt aptitude just maliciously removed a ton of packages for no reason |
| 06:16.53 | karsten | daww: Reinstall 'em. If they're still on local cache, should be pretty quick. |
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| 06:17.14 | karsten | narcmann: No, it removed them for what it thinks are good reasons, but users will tend to differ. |
| 06:17.55 | karsten | daww: If you don't mind my making a suggestion... |
| 06:18.05 | daww | well kate /foo.html don't work any more |
| 06:18.13 | narcmann | dawww: whats wrong with non curses apt stuffs |
| 06:18.18 | karsten | daww: ...if you do something, and you get a message that A LOT OF UNDESIRABLE THINGS ARE ABOUT TO HAPPEN... |
| 06:18.25 | karsten | daww: ...stop. |
| 06:18.46 | daww | It was to late |
| 06:18.49 | karsten | daww: ....cancel the operation. And ask questions. You can save yourself some work. Meantime, you can dig yourself out of this pretty easily. |
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| 06:18.56 | karsten | daww: File for future reference. |
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| 06:19.25 | karsten | daww: Linux (and Debian) give you plenty of ammunition, some very nice weaponry, and plenty of options to take out your feet. Discretion advised. |
| 06:19.56 | Guerin | yeah |
| 06:20.07 | Guerin | titanium-capped boots recommended |
| 06:20.34 | karsten | Guerin: Personall, I prefer the option of not pulling the damned trigger when my toes are in the sights. |
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| 06:20.58 | Guerin | that's always the best way, but unfortunately the sights don't always calibrate themselves |
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| 06:22.09 | daww | karsten, here is what has happend "http://pastebin.com/251238" |
| 06:22.15 | narcmann | trick here: knowing how to use the deadly weapon, and that involves blowing your feet away sometimes |
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| 06:22.58 | daww | karsten, every single line is there |
| 06:23.23 | turf | what does this command do " squid >/dev/null 2>&1 " ? |
| 06:23.39 | karsten | daww: Sec |
| 06:23.52 | jm_ | turf: man squid ; read REDIRECTION section in your shell's man page |
| 06:24.16 | narcmann | there is only one shell! |
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| 06:24.43 | Guerin | command.com! |
| 06:24.48 | narcmann | lol |
| 06:24.51 | karsten | daww: You want all those back? |
| 06:24.57 | daww | karsten, yes |
| 06:25.03 | narcmann | actually, the windows xp shell isn't too bad now |
| 06:25.14 | Guerin | bah |
| 06:25.16 | jm_ | it's crap even when compared to bash1 |
| 06:25.21 | Guerin | the w98 shell is barely usable |
| 06:25.26 | narcmann | finally added tab completion |
| 06:25.29 | Guerin | even for a single command |
| 06:25.29 | jm_ | heck, it's crap compared to ksh from 1980s |
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| 06:25.58 | Panzerboy | any idea why, even though i've changed the browser to firefox in kde (via the control center -> kde components), when i click a link in any external program, it fires first konqueror, then it opens (correctly) the link in firefox? |
| 06:26.07 | turf | jm_, : ok, how about this "/dev/null 2>&1"? i often see this in some manual, not just only for squid |
| 06:26.10 | Panzerboy | it's just annoying to close konqueror all the time |
| 06:26.10 | karsten | daww: http://linuxmafia.com/~karsten/Download/daww-reinstall |
| 06:26.27 | jm_ | turf: yes, it's related to the shell, not the the process that you run |
| 06:26.29 | Guerin | !abs |
| 06:26.30 | dpkg | it has been said that abs is a free graphical spreadsheet designed for Unix operating systems. see http://www.ping.be/bertin/abs.shtml. Advanced Bash Scripting Guide on linuxdoc.org, http://www.tldp.org/LDP/abs/html/ |
| 06:26.30 | karsten | daww: It's all the removed packages, less libs, as an 'aptitude install' commmand. |
| 06:26.41 | jm_ | turf: you don't have to start squid like that, use its init script |
| 06:26.48 | karsten | daww: ...basically, you get to reinstall. Again, if packages are cached, should be pretty quick. |
| 06:27.05 | turf | jm_, ok, thanks for the enlightment |
| 06:27.06 | karsten | daww: ...in future, if you use aptitude rather than apt-get, you won't have this problem again. |
| 06:27.10 | narcmann | karsten: what was he doing that aptitude removed a ton of packages |
| 06:27.34 | jm_ | turf: the abov redirects stdout to /dev/null then associates stderr with stdout so that both go to /dev/null |
| 06:27.36 | jm_ | above |
| 06:27.47 | karsten | narcmann: aptitude and apt-get disagree over the install state of packages. I'm not sure why. I think it's a bug in aptitude. Possibly ignoring dselect prefs. |
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| 06:28.20 | narcmann | karsten: apt-get is better anyway... he is useing aptitude command line options he might as well use apt-get |
| 06:28.20 | Gumby | anyone know how/where to setup cups-client? I see there is a cups-client.conf. but what reads that? how do I actually add the printer so my client pc can use the printer on the remote cupts server |
| 06:28.37 | karsten | !tell narcmann about aptitude |
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| 06:28.46 | karsten | narcmann: Wrong. |
| 06:28.47 | maher | Gumby: install cupsys - point a browser to localhost:631 |
| 06:28.58 | karsten | narcmann: Just. Flat. Wrong. |
| 06:29.15 | Guerin | aptitude DOES mangle removals and purges horribly, though |
| 06:29.28 | turf | jm_,: what about 2>&1? |
| 06:29.29 | karsten | Guerin: Once, on cutover from apt-get to aptitude. |
| 06:29.40 | daww | karsten, see http://pastebin.com/251241 |
| 06:29.52 | Gumby | maher: I thought I only needed cupsys-client and I didnt have to setup a cups server as the printer isnt local. Am I wrong in thinking that? |
| 06:29.55 | Guerin | karsten: once is enough |
| 06:30.02 | jm_ | turf: I covered that above, read it again |
| 06:30.07 | jm_ | Gumby: read CUPS docs |
| 06:30.07 | karsten | daww: Remove inkscape from the list. |
| 06:30.27 | karsten | Guerin: Great Lyell Lovett song. |
| 06:30.40 | jm_ | Gumby: in particular, section 5 - Client Setup |
| 06:30.43 | maher | Gumby: basically you are wrong |
| 06:30.51 | Gumby | jm_: thx. |
| 06:31.00 | karsten | narcmann: Don't privmsg |
| 06:31.06 | jm_ | maher: no, he's right |
| 06:31.12 | karsten | narcmann: ...and read what you're told to read, damnit. |
| 06:31.22 | jm_ | Gumby: however there are drawbacks with such setups, manual will mention it |
| 06:31.26 | karsten | narcmann: ...*especially* before spouting grossly ignorant crud. |
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| 06:31.44 | turf | jm_, got it thanks! |
| 06:32.00 | Gumby | I'm on a laptop so I'd like to keep the processes to a minimum. But if I have to I have to |
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| 06:32.44 | karsten | daww: The answer to your question was the lines "The following packages have unmet dependencies: " and following, BTW. |
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| 06:33.24 | karsten | mwilson: My apologies, I've been intruding on your turf. |
| 06:33.25 | Xsquared | hi, i know this is a little off topic, but i would like to buy a digital audio player. There are 2 reasons for it.. i want to be able to use it as an external HDD (like removable media that i can mount under linux [using vfat] ) and so i can listen to my music. What would be the best player to get? Any suggestions. Thanks. |
| 06:33.39 | daww | karsten, true, now it install all packages |
| 06:33.45 | karsten | daww: Right. |
| 06:34.01 | karsten | daww: You can probably get inkscape as well with some messing around. But solve the simple problems first. |
| 06:34.07 | dingo | anybody used finger print scanner with gnu/linux? |
| 06:34.14 | daww | karsten, why in hell would "aptitude install xpdf" remove all my unused packages?????????????? |
| 06:34.39 | Guerin | daww: because it's STUPID |
| 06:34.39 | karsten | daww: Differences in package installed state registration between aptitude and apt-get. I don't fully understand... |
| 06:34.43 | mwilson | daww: Fix your question mark key. |
| 06:34.47 | karsten | daww: ...but it's happened to me as well ;-) |
| 06:34.49 | jm_ | because it's not a perfect tool |
| 06:34.59 | mwilson | karsten: Yes, aptitude is fundamentally broken in this regard. |
| 06:35.03 | karsten | jm_: ...unlike some people around here. |
| 06:35.13 | simonrvn | hehe |
| 06:35.21 | mwilson | karsten: Which is of course while the Debian elite are pushing it on everyone. |
| 06:35.40 | jm_ | daww: you can use markauto |
| 06:35.43 | karsten | mwilson: I'd say it's got a significant bug. It's not fundamentally broken. And you can work around it. The issue *really* ought to be noted though. |
| 06:35.44 | simonrvn | aptitude has issues. dselect has issues.... |
| 06:35.50 | karsten | mwilson: quire. |
| 06:35.59 | karsten | mwilson: USE RPM! |
| 06:36.05 | karsten | s/quire/quite/ |
| 06:36.06 | jm_ | and unmarkauto |
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| 06:36.32 | mwilson | karsten: Oh, no, it's fundamentally broken. It ignores the status file. Its behavior is different depending on whether or not you use command-line or ncurses interfaces. |
| 06:36.46 | karsten | mwilson: It is? |
| 06:36.52 | mwilson | karsten: Yep. |
| 06:36.58 | karsten | mwilson: How? |
| 06:37.07 | daww | karsten, Do you use "aptititude install" in some case today, even if this kind of bugs exist? |
| 06:37.07 | mwilson | And the maintainer's response to that is "dependency resolution is hard". |
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| 06:37.28 | mwilson | Why the algorithm is different between one and the other... no explanation is offered. |
| 06:37.42 | karsten | daww: Once you've made the cutover, aptitude offers a number of distinct advantages, enumerated here: http://lists.debian.org/debian-user/2004/04/msg11344.html |
| 06:37.47 | simonrvn | borked code, obviously |
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| 06:38.01 | karsten | daww: ...and Joey Hess generally knows his shit -- senior Debian developer. |
| 06:38.12 | fcrick | is there a way to force the priority of a running process down? |
| 06:38.22 | karsten | fcrick: man nice |
| 06:38.23 | jm_ | fcrick: man renice |
| 06:38.38 | simonrvn | he wrote the original debhelper stuff, and debconf |
| 06:38.38 | karsten | fcrick: jm_ |
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| 06:39.07 | jm_ | to be honest, I sometimes use apt-get and sometimes aptitude, but it never removed anything so far, I guess I am lucky ;) |
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| 06:39.14 | karsten | daww: logging actions is the big win for me. Even if aptitude totally fucks up your system, it *tells* you about it. |
| 06:39.25 | karsten | daww: ...rather than sneaking out with your wife behind your back. |
| 06:39.28 | Guerin | bah |
| 06:39.38 | karsten | Guerin: Humbug. |
| 06:39.45 | Guerin | apt-* just fails and tells you why |
| 06:39.54 | Guerin | that's better for me |
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| 06:40.00 | mwilson | Ok, #1 is just wrong. |
| 06:40.03 | karsten | Guerin: ...but doesn't log the event. aptitude also tells you why. |
| 06:40.11 | mwilson | #2 is nice. |
| 06:40.16 | Guerin | karsten: I don't need logs, I can read the screen |
| 06:40.17 | mwilson | #3 is a non-issue. |
| 06:40.23 | daww | karsten, The thing is that some say that aptitude install is intelligente and some say it's stupid |
| 06:40.27 | mwilson | #4 is also a non-issue. |
| 06:40.28 | peabody_ | My machine remounted the / filesystem read only. Without telling me about it. The console seem to have several error message related to ext-3 journalling errors. I've rebooted and everything's fine, yet I can't seem to find any incriminating evidence in my logs. Anyone have some advice? |
| 06:40.37 | karsten | Guerin: You've clearly never worked in a multi-admin environment. |
| 06:40.43 | mwilson | #5 is useful. |
| 06:40.50 | karsten | Guerin: ...or had to deal with multiple-personality disorders... |
| 06:40.51 | omry_ | who asked about pivot_root and boot problem with 2.6 earlier? |
| 06:40.54 | mwilson | #6 is a non-issue. |
| 06:41.00 | Guerin | peabody_: touch /forcefsck && shutdown -r now |
| 06:41.01 | karsten | Guerin: ...or ever had less than 8 hours of sleep in your life. |
| 06:41.03 | mwilson | #7 must be a joke. |
| 06:41.11 | Guerin | karsten: haha |
| 06:41.23 | peabody_ | Guerin, thanks, brb |
| 06:41.29 | daww | karsten, yes, but apt-get is also logging actions what I know |
| 06:41.31 | mwilson | Unless using aptitude magically upgrades the task system to something that works. |
| 06:41.40 | karsten | daww: /var/log/aptitude* |
| 06:41.57 | karsten | daww: aptitude creates persistant logs under /var/log. apt-get does not. |
| 06:42.00 | mwilson | #8 might be useful |
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| 06:42.09 | daww | karsten, ah |
| 06:42.31 | karsten | mwilson: #8 is pinning on steroids. You can go forward (or back) with a package to a known release. |
| 06:42.32 | dondelelcaro | mwilson: #7 will probably become more useful once people get debtags working properly |
| 06:42.53 | mwilson | I count four out of nine. Not a good score. |
| 06:43.05 | mwilson | dondelelcaro: So, you mean never, then? |
| 06:43.10 | jmstacey | I'm using a custom build of exim. Using dselect, it won't let me install mailx (example) because it will not recognize my exim as a mta. How can I overide this? |
| 06:43.15 | dondelelcaro | mwilson: eh? debtags is comming along |
| 06:43.21 | maher | jmstacey: equivs |
| 06:43.24 | karsten | mwilson: Frankly, #9 pretty much ties it up, binds it, gags it, and offers flowers. |
| 06:43.37 | dondelelcaro | tasksel is crap, and pretty much everyone knows it. It's just that debtags isn't complete yet. |
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| 06:43.57 | karsten | mwilson: Not screwing up is good. Telling me what screwed up is *real* good. |
| 06:44.12 | mwilson | tasksel will always be crap as long as the net is as big as people seem to think it should be. |
| 06:44.16 | karsten | mwilson: Look at our friend daww here. Nuked a mess of packages, but recovered with a single command. |
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| 06:44.36 | Guerin | karsten: I was going to write a wrapper around apt-* to make it log to a file, but I decided not to because aptitude does it already |
| 06:44.42 | mwilson | The moron that decided there should be a "desktop" task that installs both competing environments should have his head examined. |
| 06:44.46 | xiaohacker | where is apt for kde 3.4? |
| 06:45.05 | karsten | !tell xiaohacker about kde |
| 06:45.07 | Guerin | xiaohacker: in the internets |
| 06:45.09 | mwilson | xiaohacker: When KDE 3.4 exists, it will be uploaded to unstable. |
| 06:45.21 | mwilson | xiaohacker: Since it does not yet, there is no problem. |
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| 06:46.57 | jesse | anyone have a URL or other pointer to debian boot disk mirroring? I am installing a new system soon and would like to have the boot disk mirrored by the OS if possible. -thanks. |
| 06:47.16 | peterS | jesse: debian-installer lets you set up RAID at install time |
| 06:47.25 | peterS | jesse: see http://www.debian.org/devel/debian-installer for images |
| 06:47.31 | mwilson | karsten: And this one is a good example of why I will never use aptitude: http://lists.debian.org/debian-user/2004/04/msg11396.html |
| 06:48.05 | xiaohacker | thk! I want to install kde 3.4 and search apt sources that include kde 3.4 |
| 06:48.09 | karsten | mwilson: That's the exact situation we just bailed daww out of. |
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| 06:48.19 | jesse | peterS: thank you, but what about for woody? this will be a production machine, and I am wary of using anything not in stable. |
| 06:48.36 | karsten | mwilson: The solution: cancel the action. Add the removed packages (less libs) to the "install" directive. |
| 06:48.38 | Panzerboy | xiaohacker: as far as i could see, there are no "unofficial" repos with kde 3.4 rc1 |
| 06:48.41 | mwilson | karsten: The package manager should not be able to get INTO that state. |
| 06:48.47 | Panzerboy | but maybe i'm mistaken |
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| 06:48.58 | karsten | mwilson: I agree it's a bug. It's one with a reasonably easy work-around. |
| 06:49.07 | peterS | jesse: I'm not sure how to describe doing the equivalent in the woody installer. it isn't all that trivial |
| 06:49.12 | karsten | mwilson: Fix it. But don't shoot the horse because it got wet in the rain. |
| 06:49.25 | jesse | peterS: but the functionality is there? |
| 06:49.27 | mwilson | karsten: My idea of fixing aptitude is to do away with it. |
| 06:49.45 | mwilson | karsten: I have no buy-in on fixing its problems. |
| 06:49.48 | maher | mwilson: did you read http://lists.debian.org/debian-user/2004/04/msg11744.html |
| 06:49.58 | Coke | Bill Maher! |
| 06:49.58 | xiaohacker | install kde 3.4 by complice source ? |
| 06:49.59 | peterS | jesse: no. that's why it wouldn't be trivial, you'd have to go behind the installer's back |
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| 06:50.09 | mwilson | Sure. |
| 06:50.12 | maher | Coke: almost |
| 06:50.16 | karsten | mwilson: Yes, but you *always* take the sensible, calm, reasoned route. |
| 06:50.16 | Panzerboy | xiaohacker: of course, you can do that |
| 06:50.25 | mwilson | And that message is entirely irrelevant. |
| 06:50.31 | jesse | peterS: I see... so, if I have an installed system, can it be modified without hacking the system up too much? |
| 06:50.39 | maher | mwilson: what is relevant |
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| 06:50.54 | peterS | jesse: you have to know what you are doing, certainly. I could manage it. |
| 06:51.02 | jesse | peterS: I have lots of experience with various unix systems, just not debian. |
| 06:51.20 | xiaohacker | Panzerboy: it is too casting time |
| 06:51.25 | jesse | peterS: okay, thanks. |
| 06:51.32 | jesse | I will keep looking for more info then. |
| 06:51.38 | maher | mwilson: seems entirely relevant to me... |
| 06:51.40 | Panzerboy | xiaohacker: well ... then wait :) |
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| 06:51.49 | mwilson | karsten: Look at the list of packages it wants to remove. |
| 06:51.55 | peterS | jesse: the secret is to make the root partition *slightly* too small (one cylinder difference) at install time, *then* format it as ext3 or whatever, then enlarge it |
| 06:52.01 | mwilson | karsten: Not libraries, *applications*. |
| 06:52.12 | karsten | mwilson: See above WRT workaround. |
| 06:52.21 | peterS | jesse: that will leave room for the RAID superblock at the end of the partition later, when you've got something installed which can create a RAID superblock ('raidtools2' or 'mdadm', either one) |
| 06:52.25 | jesse | peterS: hmmm. that sounds rather dangerous :P |
| 06:52.27 | BrianAnthony | where is firefox installed as default? |
| 06:52.28 | karsten | mwilson: I'm not denying it shouldn't do that. I'm saying there's a trivial fix. |
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| 06:52.41 | mwilson | karsten: The workaround doesn't excuse the fact that the thing is broken and dangerous. |
| 06:52.44 | karsten | BrianAnthony: /usr/bin |
| 06:52.45 | peterS | jesse: it just requires an understanding of exactly how partitioning and filesystem formatting and RAID works under the hood |
| 06:52.47 | jesse | peterS: oh, okay, that makes sense. |
| 06:52.57 | mwilson | karsten: Cluebies are told every day that they should be using aptitude. |
| 06:53.05 | karsten | mwilson: You're not listening. I never said that. I said explicitly the opposite. |
| 06:53.23 | karsten | mwilson: If you _start_ using aptitude, you don't experience the problem. |
| 06:53.24 | jesse | peterS: unless the modern linux approach is different than BSD or solaris boxes, I should be okay. |
| 06:53.27 | peterS | jesse: in particular you have to know that the only differences between an ordinary partition and a RAID partition are (a) the 'fd' partition type, and (b) the extra block or two at the *end* that has all the RAID info |
| 06:53.32 | BrianAnthony | karsten: I mean where is the folder with the plugins and things like that |
| 06:53.45 | karsten | BrianAnthony: Do you have it installed? |
| 06:53.52 | BrianAnthony | karsten: yes |
| 06:54.06 | karsten | BrianAnthony: if so: 'dpkg -L firefox' will list all files. |
| 06:54.25 | mwilson | karsten: If the tools were orthagonal, there wouldn't be a problem. But every T,D, & H thinks he can do things better than dselect. |
| 06:54.34 | jesse | peterS: thanks for the info! that really helps. |
| 06:54.36 | mwilson | karsten: And differently. |
| 06:54.52 | karsten | mwilson: dselect wasn't designed for 17,500+ packages. |
| 06:54.57 | mwilson | Personally, whoever decided that Recommends should be installed by default should be shot. |
| 06:54.57 | jesse | peterS: any particular suggestion for a RAID manager for fairly generic x86 w/EIDE drives? |
| 06:55.17 | peterS | jesse: if you're going to attempt this, good luck. what do you mean by 'raid manager'? a hardware raid controller? |
| 06:55.19 | karsten | jesse: software raid. If you go HW on IDE, 3Ware. |
| 06:55.30 | karsten | jesse: Most of the other HW controllers are shite. |
| 06:55.47 | karsten | jesse: ...and I'm not _overly_ fond of 3Ware, but it mostly works. |
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| 06:55.49 | jesse | karsten: thanks, but the budget isn't going to buy me one of those yet :P |
| 06:56.01 | jesse | peterS: no, just software. low budget this time around :( |
| 06:56.13 | karsten | jesse: Kernel software RAID should be fine. If you need more controllers, the Promise accelerators will work. |
| 06:56.26 | peterS | jesse: well, the linux kernel does the heavy lifting. I recommend 'mdadm' as opposed to 'raidtools2', because mdadm has a simpler user interface |
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| 06:56.31 | jesse | karsten: I have heard good things about Promise cards. |
| 06:56.40 | mwilson | mdadm is simpler? |
| 06:56.44 | karsten | jesse: We're getting different gossip. |
| 06:56.46 | mwilson | In what universe? |
| 06:56.46 | peterS | jesse: in woody, mdadm might be known as mdctl. I forget whether the name change was pre- or post-woody |
| 06:56.54 | Guerin | s/different/inverse/ |
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| 06:57.08 | karsten | jesse: For straight controllers, they're fine. For RAID, stick to kernel/sw. |
| 06:57.09 | jesse | peterS: k. I will check for both. |
| 06:57.22 | raghu | mwilson: yes |
| 06:57.25 | jesse | karsten: for this server software is all I need. |
| 06:57.32 | karsten | jesse: OK. |
| 06:57.37 | calin | I heard from someone that you can boot live-cd's from HD utilizing grub with the vmlinuz and initrd images from the disc. Anyone ever done this or have any help onit? |
| 06:57.39 | jesse | if I ever need hardware raid, I will just get an external storage device. |
| 06:57.42 | omry_ | where would the log of a failed boot be after I manage to boot? |
| 06:58.06 | blindboygrunt | hi guys |
| 06:58.12 | mwilson | raghu: raidtools is self-documenting. mdadm depends on being able to remember whatever arcane command-line invocation you used to build the array. |
| 06:58.14 | karsten | calin: For VMWare, use the virtual machine editor to point your CDROM drive to an image file. |
| 06:58.16 | jesse | karsten & peterS: thanks many tons for sending me down the right path. |
| 06:58.22 | peterS | jesse: you might want to go with raidtools2, now that I think about it more, because the debian kernel stuff, particularly 'mkinitrd' for generating an early boot image, did not support mdadm until quite recently (post-woody) |
| 06:58.23 | karsten | calin: ...that's where I'd start. Or STFW. |
| 06:58.38 | raghu | omry_: cat /etc/mdstat |
| 06:58.40 | jesse | peterS: oh, good to know. |
| 06:59.05 | peterS | jesse: that last point wouldn't matter if you weren't putting your root filesystem on raid1, but since you are... it does matter (: |
| 06:59.24 | daww | karsten, everything is up now =), but I will not use aptitude for a looooong while! |
| 06:59.33 | omry_ | raghu, I don't have mdstat.. |
| 06:59.33 | raghu | mwilson: more options in mdadm...and centarlized management..without using any config files |
| 06:59.38 | blindboygrunt | a mate of mine just installed sarge, and him, and myself have an issue, that when we do a ps -A we have multiple processes running, but only one apparent on view, does anyone know why this is? |
| 06:59.39 | jesse | peterS: true, but everything important will be on the same drive set internally right now. |
| 06:59.46 | karsten | daww: You should. you just cleared the initial hump. It *won't* do that again. |
| 07:00.02 | raghu | omry_: then you are kernel will not support to raid i guess? |
| 07:00.04 | mwilson | raghu: "more options" is not automatically better, and I have no idea what you think you mean by "centralized management". |
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| 07:00.23 | rudson | hi everyone |
| 07:00.23 | Panzerboy | is there somewhere a tutorial for aptitude? |
| 07:00.25 | jaime_alberto | it seems that is a waste of time to update hpijs and cupsys for a dj670c printer it is so old that the driver never improves |
| 07:00.26 | karsten | blindboygrunt: what processes? Paste output? |
| 07:00.32 | Panzerboy | ... besides the man page :P |
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| 07:00.34 | karsten | Panzerboy: man aptitude. |
| 07:00.38 | rudson | can i place a noob question ? |
| 07:00.39 | raghu | mwilson: these makes it better then raidtools |
| 07:00.40 | Panzerboy | karsten: :) |
| 07:00.42 | daww | karsten, hmm, well, much at the same time |
| 07:00.45 | omry_ | raghu, I think you are answering the wrong question :). |
| 07:00.55 | blindboygrunt | karsten: ok |
| 07:00.55 | peterS | jesse: btw - making a raid1 volume from a live filesystem - that'll require first creating a degraded array (a raid1 with 2 volumes but one is 'missing') and then setting the root filesystem as /dev/md0 or whatever, then rebooting, *then* "rebuilding" the array with a partition on the other drive |
| 07:00.59 | karsten | daww: You'll get over it ;-) |
| 07:01.02 | blindboygrunt | karsten: don't want to flood |
| 07:01.05 | daww | karsten, I have just compiled and installed a custom kernel |
| 07:01.06 | raghu | omry_: sorry..then:) |
| 07:01.13 | mwilson | raghu: Refusing to define terms doesn't automatically make it "better", either. |
| 07:01.13 | karsten | !tell blindboygrunt about flood |
| 07:01.40 | jesse | peterS: oh, similar to repairing an out of sync encapsulated root disk in Veritas Volume Manager. |
| 07:01.53 | rudson | if i install debian... does my windows xp still work AND can i install it on an amd athlon and if yes what is the correct distribution? |
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| 07:02.03 | daww | karsten, I have about 3 weeks of experience by Linux |
| 07:02.19 | peterS | jesse: I suspect the concepts are the same |
| 07:02.32 | rudson | hello? |
| 07:02.35 | jesse | peterS: while I am at it, do you suggest any particular file system? any journaling FS that is worth using in woddy? |
| 07:02.57 | karsten | Panzerboy: Osamu Aoki's Debian Reference is among the better general refs, see: http://www.debian.org/doc/manuals/reference/ch-package.en.html#s-apt-install |
| 07:03.00 | jesse | rudson: it will install on an AMD, and if youinstall it correctly, yes, windows will still work. |
| 07:03.04 | peterS | jesse: use the 'bf24' kernel boot (kernel 2.4.18 instead of 2.2.20) and you get access to ext3 and reiserfs. I recommend ext3 of those two |
| 07:03.08 | jesse | rudson: read the install docs carefully. |
| 07:03.14 | rudson | too lazy |
| 07:03.17 | rudson | to do that |
| 07:03.21 | jesse | peterS: cool, thanks. |
| 07:03.22 | rudson | sry |
| 07:03.25 | rudson | <PROTECTED> |
| 07:03.31 | Guerin | rudson: don't be sorry to us |
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| 07:03.35 | karsten | daww: 413 to go and you're caught up with me ;-) |
| 07:03.40 | rudson | what is the best verston to be installed? |
| 07:03.43 | maher | mwilson: you're whining helps them get fixed faster |
| 07:03.47 | jesse | okay. I think that gives me enough to figure out with M to RTFM :) |
| 07:03.48 | rudson | version |
| 07:03.49 | maher | s/you're/your |
| 07:03.51 | Guerin | rudson: the highest version, of course |
| 07:03.53 | jesse | rudson: that depnds on what you are doing :) |
| 07:03.56 | jesse | Guerin: hehe. |
| 07:03.59 | Guerin | the one with the biggest number |
| 07:04.06 | karsten | mwilson: No, they'll be polished into cherished quirks. |
| 07:04.10 | rudson | yeah but i mein the different releases and i got quite confused with that |
| 07:04.14 | mwilson | maher: I tried officially reporting d-i problems. |
| 07:04.17 | rudson | i meam |
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| 07:04.20 | mwilson | maher: I no longer bother. |
| 07:04.21 | daww | karsten, =) |
| 07:04.21 | maher | mwilson: that's good |
| 07:04.22 | peterS | mwilson: the one design flaw that makes it less than identical to what you were using in 1997 probably won't get fixed, no |
| 07:04.25 | paster | "blindboygrunt" at 193.128.86.52 pasted "multiple processes running?!" (123 lines) at http://channels.debian.net/paste/333 |
| 07:04.25 | jesse | rudson: workstaion or server? |
| 07:04.33 | rudson | just small workstation |
| 07:04.40 | jesse | rudson: go with sarge. |
| 07:04.44 | maher | mwilson: well if you don't bother reporting problems how are people going to know what's broken? |
| 07:04.46 | mwilson | peterS: I don't WANT it to be identical to what I was using in 1997. That's what they have now. |
| 07:04.49 | Guerin | !d-i rudson |
| 07:04.50 | dpkg | rudson, you want to go to http://www.debian.org/devel/debian-installer/ - for your own good, and everyone else's. |
| 07:04.54 | jesse | maher: telepathy |
| 07:05.06 | mwilson | peterS: If they were going to re-implement bootfloppies they could have just fixed bootfloppies. |
| 07:05.11 | blindboygrunt | karsten: http://channels.debian.net/paste/333 |
| 07:05.14 | daww | karsten, I wish my I'd started earlier with Linux =( |
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| 07:05.26 | mlalkaka | hi |
| 07:05.27 | karsten | daww: No time like the present. |
| 07:05.49 | jesse | now is always a great time to start! |
| 07:05.50 | mwilson | peterS: d-i has two major design flaws. One it inherits from bootfloppies, and the other is sheer arrogance. |
| 07:05.59 | karsten | daww: I first used Unix in the late 70s (as a kid), got into it again in college (mid/late 80s), Linux w/ RH in 1997. |
| 07:06.12 | mwilson | peterS: It inherits its non-linearity from bootfloppies. |
| 07:06.12 | maher | mwilson: if you help it will work better - but fell free to complain anyway |
| 07:06.23 | karsten | daww: ...it was the first 6-8 weeks with Debian that really started opening doors though. Things became apparent. |
| 07:06.26 | daww | karsten, ah =) |
| 07:06.45 | peterS | mwilson: non-linearity? it (as boot-floppies) does things in a linear manner unless you tell it otherwise |
| 07:06.47 | karsten | blindboygrunt: OK, so where's the problems? |
| 07:06.53 | karsten | blindboygrunt: Are you familiar with threads? |
| 07:07.00 | mwilson | peterS: And the arrogance is that you can't disable its broken hardware detection. |
| 07:07.02 | karsten | blindboygrunt: ...another command you may want to try: pstree. |
| 07:07.16 | mlalkaka | i'm having a weird problem, and i've already read the man page for this program. can anyone try to run the program time with options --verbose and --output=output.txt? so for example, can someone run "time --verbose --output.txt lsmod"? according to the man page, that's the correct argument format. but it doesn't seem to be reading the arguments properly. can anyone try that please? |
| 07:07.21 | blindboygrunt | karsten: not really |
| 07:07.47 | blindboygrunt | karsten: about the threads, just seems weird, some programs listed aren't even running at all! |
| 07:07.48 | maher | mwilson: what is non-linear about it? |
| 07:07.51 | mwilson | peterS: It lets you hop around. It should not. Haven't you ever had to deal with a moron who insists the installer didn't do this, or didn't do that? I know I have. |
| 07:08.02 | karsten | blindboygrunt: threaded programs show as multiple processes. Java's notorious for that. Not sure aobut evo (evolution) but that's the other multi-entry process. |
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| 07:08.31 | karsten | blindboygrunt: ...also: programs can run without appearing on your desktop. That takes getting used to if you're from Winodws. |
| 07:08.31 | maher | mwilson: so its bad because its flexible and bad because its inflexible |
| 07:08.35 | daww | karsten, do you think XFree86 would have crashed without all packages that I reinstalled 1 minutes ago? |
| 07:08.49 | karsten | blindboygrunt: If you _know_ the program should be dead: 'killall <program name>' |
| 07:08.56 | peterS | mwilson: there's only so much you can do to protect yourself from stupid users making stupid decisions, if you also want to give power users power. like the power to disable hardware detection |
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| 07:09.02 | jesse | peterS: thanks again! |
| 07:09.08 | karsten | blindboygrunt: ...will kill all instances of "<program name>" |
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| 07:09.15 | mwilson | peterS: d-i is supposed to be for the average idiot, not the power user. |
| 07:09.20 | karsten | daww: Sorry? |
| 07:09.25 | blindboygrunt | karsten: I have three versions of gnome-terminal running, but I only see two on any of my desktops |
| 07:09.32 | karsten | mwilson: Then boot knoppix and run debootstrap. |
| 07:09.33 | blindboygrunt | karsten: that seems weird |
| 07:09.44 | blindboygrunt | karsten: am I being dumn and ignorant |
| 07:09.49 | mwilson | karsten: Uh, no, I see no reason to use Crappix. |
| 07:09.52 | peterS | mwilson: nobody is interested in resurrecting boot-floppies, or anything else for the power user. maintaining one installer is hard enough. d-i will have to do for the power user |
| 07:09.58 | karsten | blindboygrunt: You may have a third somewhare. |
| 07:10.20 | karsten | mwilson: Take it to a bar, or give me a tip. You're not paying me enough to listen to your whinging. |
| 07:10.54 | blindboygrunt | karsten: thanks for your help |
| 07:10.54 | daww | karsten, Let's say that I never reinstalled the lost packages that aptitude cost me, could this prevent XFree86 or the kernel to start in some way? |
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| 07:11.20 | karsten | blindboygrunt: 'pstree' will show your processes in a tree view. Threads should have a commoon parent. Seperate instances won't. |
| 07:11.21 | mlalkaka | is anyone willing to try that one program for me? the program 'time'? |
| 07:11.24 | karsten | daww: Yes, could happen. |
| 07:11.38 | jm_ | mlalkaka: time is often a shell built-in |
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| 07:12.02 | peterS | mlalkaka: what about it? also, specify whether you mean /usr/bin/time or the shell builtin. the two are far from identical |
| 07:12.08 | mlalkaka | jm_, then how can i run the time program that my man page talks about |
| 07:12.13 | karsten | daww: ...the kernel will start. You might have issues with some X apps. |
| 07:12.14 | daww | karsten, oh my good =), then aptitude is really not for newbies |
| 07:12.18 | jm_ | mlalkaka: give us more details |
| 07:12.26 | karsten | daww: package management is...interesting. |
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| 07:12.39 | daww | karsten, but X would start? |
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| 07:12.43 | karsten | daww: I've had dselect and apt-get goe weird on me too... |
| 07:12.44 | mlalkaka | jm_, i was talking about the /usr/bin/time but i didn't know there was a shell built-in |
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| 07:12.47 | peterS | mlalkaka: to disable the shell builtin: alias time='command time' |
| 07:12.56 | karsten | daww: Why don't you *tell* me what's happening rather than *asking* me ;-) |
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| 07:13.20 | daww | karsten, because I'm so new |
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| 07:13.56 | karsten | !tell daww about smart questions |
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| 07:14.11 | blindboygrunt | karsten: that makes sence |
| 07:14.27 | karsten | blindboygrunt: What? I wasn't listening to myself. |
| 07:14.31 | mlalkaka | jm_, what does the built-in time do? |
| 07:14.32 | blindboygrunt | karsten: where can I read up more about threads? |
| 07:14.32 | rudson | sory but again i need to ask a question |
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| 07:14.41 | karsten | !tell rudson about ask |
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| 07:15.27 | jjazz | wowza |
| 07:15.27 | rudson | e? |
| 07:15.27 | Panzerboy | oops |
| 07:15.27 | karsten | blindboygrunt: Google. Unless you're programming, there's not a hell of a lot you need to know. |
| 07:15.27 | Panzerboy | split |
| 07:15.27 | peabody_ | whoa, net split?? |
| 07:15.27 | mwilson | Gods, there is never anything interesting on d-u any more. |
| 07:15.29 | blindboygrunt | karsten: great! thought maybe you really needed to understand to undestand your debian |
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| 07:16.02 | jm_ | mlalkaka: meausers how long a command takes to execute and informs you about it |
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| 07:16.10 | rudson | okay i hope anyone can help me... someone told me to use intelx86 if i got an amd... but there is non! |
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| 07:16.31 | karsten | blindboygrunt: I know a few bits about threads. They're a kernel feature. Mostly pimped by Sun and mostly deprecated by Linus. |
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| 07:17.00 | peterS | rudson: what is this about? sound? |
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| 07:17.00 | karsten | !tell rudson about smart questions |
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| 07:17.00 | rudson | NO |
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| 07:17.10 | jm_ | blindo;also install glibc doc package and then "info libc" and go to Threads section |
| 07:17.10 | karsten | rudson: what's your native language? And if it's English, try harder. |
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| 07:17.23 | jm_ | blindboygrunt: also install glibc doc package and then "info libc" and go to Threads section |
| 07:17.23 | rudson | it is about what release i shell download |
| 07:17.30 | rudson | i should download... |
| 07:17.31 | blindboygrunt | jm_: thanks! |
| 07:17.32 | peterS | rudson: what CPU do you have? |
| 07:17.36 | rudson | amd |
| 07:17.38 | rudson | athlon |
| 07:17.39 | peabody_ | Guerin_, well funny thing was when I did what you said, the keyboard wouldn't work for some reason, so here I am in a knoppix boot, running fsck |
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| 07:17.46 | peterS | rudson: x86 is correct then |
| 07:17.55 | peterS | rudson: unless it is athlon64 |
| 07:17.58 | mlalkaka | jm_, and /usr/bin/time measures memory usage, processor usage, etc? |
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| 07:18.11 | peterS | mlalkaka: did it when you tried it? |
| 07:18.13 | jm_ | mlalkaka: yes |
| 07:18.18 | rudson | yeah but the installation doesnt offer x86 |
| 07:18.25 | peabody_ | Guerin_, it found errors, it fixed them, and I'm running badblocks on /dev/hda1 just to be sure |
| 07:18.29 | jm_ | mlalkaka: you can tell it what to display anyway |
| 07:19.04 | rudson | i just cant find it... |
| 07:19.05 | peabody_ | Guerin_, because I could swear this drive had badblocks, even if mkfs -t ext3 -c didn't find any. I'm hoping it finds some, it would probably explain a lot for me. |
| 07:19.06 | mlalkaka | jm_, peterS, ok thanks. i didn't know there was a built-in command called time as well as /usr/bin/time |
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| 07:19.18 | peterS | mlalkaka: a lot of people get confused by that one |
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| 07:19.32 | peterS | mlalkaka: it wouldn't be so bad if they both did exactly the same thing, but they don't quite |
| 07:19.44 | mlalkaka | peterS, yeah |
| 07:19.51 | peet | when i use fragrouter does my machine have to already accept packets? |
| 07:19.53 | maher | peterS: not as confused as when you make a sample program/script called test... |
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| 07:20.00 | rudson | does sarge offer a x86 release |
| 07:20.01 | peterS | maher: ha! yeah |
| 07:20.04 | peet | like do i have to be switching packets already |
| 07:20.09 | peterS | rudson: yeah. it may be called 'i386' |
| 07:20.14 | rudson | thanks... |
| 07:20.17 | karsten | rudson: Yes. i386 |
| 07:20.18 | rudson | it got confused |
| 07:20.31 | karsten | rudson: s/it/I/ where I == you. |
| 07:20.56 | jm_ | was just going to say that ;) |
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| 07:21.01 | karsten | jm_: ;-) |
| 07:21.17 | rudson | you can loose overview easier than on installing xp |
| 07:21.29 | rudson | pro and home edition |
| 07:21.30 | rudson | ... |
| 07:21.34 | rudson | but this... |
| 07:21.38 | karsten | !tell rudson about enter |
| 07:21.39 | daww | which program is used to read chm files with? |
| 07:21.58 | karsten | daww: WTF is a chm file? |
| 07:21.59 | Panzerboy | can i do a !tell myself about something? |
| 07:22.07 | karsten | Panzerboy: /msg dpkg <foo> |
| 07:22.07 | Biovore | chm? chime? |
| 07:22.11 | Panzerboy | daww: xchm |
| 07:22.15 | daww | karsten, compiled html |
| 07:22.17 | karsten | Panzerboy: or !tell me about foo |
| 07:22.20 | daww | Panzerboy, ok |
| 07:22.33 | karsten | daww: NFC. Where's that come from? MSFT? |
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| 07:22.59 | Panzerboy | karsten: 10x |
| 07:23.03 | peet | can someone tell me how to use fragrouter |
| 07:23.05 | Panzerboy | lol |
| 07:23.12 | daww | karsten, yes |
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| 07:23.20 | steluta | helo |
| 07:23.24 | steluta | need urgen help |
| 07:23.26 | Panzerboy | hi steluta |
| 07:23.32 | steluta | just did a dd of=/dev/hda |
| 07:23.46 | steluta | with 80kb |
| 07:23.49 | karsten | daww: Um. MSFT are sort of notorious for incompatible stuff. 'file *.chm' may tell you how the file is recognized to Linux. |
| 07:24.03 | steluta | how do i recover the filesystem ? |
| 07:24.03 | karsten | steluta: Hope you didn't need anything on that drive. |
| 07:24.06 | steluta | didn't reboot |
| 07:24.09 | karsten | steluta: From your backups. |
| 07:24.14 | Panzerboy | lol |
| 07:24.23 | steluta | karsten: this is a ltsp server |
| 07:24.28 | karsten | steluta: If you're lucky, you just hosed part of your boot/root partitions. |
| 07:24.35 | karsten | steluta: That doesn't change my answer. |
| 07:24.43 | steluta | wheen rebooted big mad people will come after me :) |
| 07:24.43 | Panzerboy | don't tell me you DIDN'T have backups !?!?!? |
| 07:24.47 | karsten | steluta: More call for having backups, though.' |
| 07:25.04 | maher | steluta: what's the first partition |
| 07:25.04 | karsten | steluta: 'gpart' may be able to guess most of your partition table. |
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| 07:25.40 | steluta | maher, was a reiserfs / filesystem |
| 07:25.42 | karsten | steluta: ...you can then attempt mounting partitions and finding out which were hosed. You'll need to reinstall packages which are touched by the hosed partition(s). |
| 07:25.46 | daww | karsten, I realize that, but I have some ebooks in chm format |
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| 07:26.05 | maher | steluta: yes - but was the first partition / or swap or /boot or what |
| 07:26.10 | steluta | karsten, when a do a fdisk now, says it's empty |
| 07:26.14 | karsten | daww: 'file *.chm'. Google that response, + 'linux'. See if there's a reader/viewer. |
| 07:26.19 | steluta | the partition table got scrapped |
| 07:26.27 | karsten | steluta: Yeah. You overwrote the partition table. |
| 07:26.32 | steluta | dawg, xchm |
| 07:26.37 | karsten | steluta: *gpart* is a partition *guesser*. |
| 07:26.40 | maher | steluta: if the machine is still running df should tell you |
| 07:26.50 | karsten | maher: /proc/partitions? |
| 07:26.54 | daww | karsten, Panzerboy say xchm |
| 07:26.57 | maher | karsten: that too |
| 07:26.58 | steluta | root@c1:/kituri# df |
| 07:26.59 | steluta | Filesystem 1K-blocks Used Available Use% Mounted on |
| 07:26.59 | steluta | /dev/hda1 5855432 3746660 2108772 64% / |
| 07:26.59 | steluta | tmpfs 257068 0 257068 0% /dev/shm |
| 07:26.59 | steluta | /dev/hda3 13156776 1419244 11737532 11% /home |
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| 07:27.09 | steluta | back |
| 07:27.12 | karsten | !tell steluta about flood |
| 07:27.16 | karsten | steluta: Don't do that. |
| 07:27.26 | karsten | steluta: Can you mount a floppy or write to networked media? |
| 07:27.28 | steluta | :) |
| 07:27.37 | pro | hey all, if i have a copy for the Debian mirror, how can i sync/update it constantly? |
| 07:27.38 | Panzerboy | daww: xcham is ok |
| 07:27.47 | dondelelcaro | pro: a copy of what? |
| 07:28.05 | pro | the whole /debian/ dir on ftp servers? |
| 07:28.05 | daww | Panzerboy, xchm or xcham, which do you prefer? |
| 07:28.15 | pro | mostly just pool/ for i386 |
| 07:28.19 | dondelelcaro | pro: you really don't want to mirror that unless you absolutely have to |
| 07:28.21 | Panzerboy | daww: only used xchm |
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| 07:28.27 | dondelelcaro | pro: use apt-proxy or similar instead |
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| 07:28.29 | daww | Panzerboy, ok |
| 07:28.35 | steluta | so, any ideeas? |
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| 07:28.44 | Nafed | when i try to connect to ftp via localhost i get this ftp: connect: Invalid argument any ideas why? |
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| 07:28.59 | karsten | steluta: Can you mount a floppy or write to networked media? |
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| 07:29.20 | pro | dondelelcaro, well, i actually have some servers at home and I take a 200G drive home once a month and update them too |
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| 07:29.26 | karsten | steluta: cat /proc/partitions. Dump that to #flood |
| 07:29.35 | pro | cause i got no internet at home |
| 07:29.38 | dondelelcaro | pro: sounds like you're looking for apt-zip |
| 07:29.57 | steluta | karsten, ok |
| 07:30.14 | dondelelcaro | pro: or if you really want the whole archive, then you want to use rsync and the mirror software to do it |
| 07:30.26 | daww | Panzerboy, xchm is ok, is there some other fomat that linux using that is equal to chm? |
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| 07:30.31 | pro | im thinking more along the lines of rsync... but with the ability to skip anything thats not the orig.tar.gz and _i386.deb |
| 07:30.32 | dondelelcaro | pro: although, you'll have to look around to find a mirror that does rsync |
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| 07:30.46 | Nafed | ? |
| 07:30.47 | dondelelcaro | pro: rsync can do --exclude |
| 07:31.07 | karsten | steluta: What you need to do: 1. Figure out how many partitions you have/had. 2. Find those partitions. 3. Rebuild your partition table. 4. Restore / reconstruct nuked data. |
| 07:31.07 | dondelelcaro | pro: although, you'll also want the .diff.gz, the .dsc, the .changes, and more importantly, the _all.deb packages. |
| 07:31.22 | ircdevil | is there a guide to chose CMS for a small organization (200 ppl) |
| 07:31.26 | pro | mmmm thats maybe an option, or i could just hop on my bike and go to the ISP and let them copy it for me once a month, but thats a mission |
| 07:31.27 | steluta | karsten, got 2 partitions |
| 07:31.32 | steluta | hmm |
| 07:31.33 | steluta | 3 |
| 07:31.40 | steluta | swap,home, root fs |
| 07:31.49 | Panzerboy | daww: nope, chm is actually some sort of compiled html |
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| 07:31.55 | karsten | steluta: What was /dev/hda1? |
| 07:31.58 | dondelelcaro | pro: the debmirror scripts around are fully capable of only mirroring a single directory |
| 07:32.02 | Panzerboy | daww: and the file format is propietary to MSFT |
| 07:32.04 | Nafed | when i try to connect to ftp via localhost i get this ftp: connect: Invalid argument any ideas why? |
| 07:32.20 | Panzerboy | daww: so all the other readers are done, AFAIK, using reverse engineering |
| 07:32.26 | pro | dondelelcaro, thank you, i'll check it out, thank you for your time |
| 07:32.42 | dondelelcaro | pro: np |
| 07:33.07 | Nafed | can anyone help me? heh |
| 07:33.21 | karsten | steluta: cat /etc/fstab to #flood |
| 07:33.21 | ircdevil | !tell Nafed about ask |
| 07:33.30 | Nafed | ircdevil |
| 07:33.33 | Nafed | have 3 times now |
| 07:33.33 | Panzerboy | Nafed: you're doing ftp localhost? |
| 07:33.39 | Panzerboy | Nafed: or what? |
| 07:33.39 | Nafed | ftp |
| 07:33.40 | Nafed | open |
| 07:33.42 | Nafed | localhost |
| 07:33.45 | karsten | Nafed: running an ftp server? |
| 07:33.49 | karsten | !tell Nafed about enter |
| 07:33.50 | Nafed | yes |
| 07:33.55 | Panzerboy | so do you have a ftp server running there ? |
| 07:33.57 | karsten | Nafed: logs on that? |
| 07:34.01 | dondelelcaro | Nafed: it's ftp localhost; or open localhost; at the ftp command line. |
| 07:34.07 | dondelelcaro | Nafed: although, you're probably better off using lftp instead |
| 07:34.17 | ircdevil | leet |
| 07:34.30 | daww | is "apt-get -y install k3b cdrdao" the same as "apt-get -y install k3b; apt-get -y install cdrdao"? |
| 07:34.43 | dondelelcaro | daww: sort of |
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| 07:35.38 | karsten | steluta: You want the good news or the bad news? |
| 07:35.48 | pro | kensuke, hi |
| 07:35.51 | steluta | both |
| 07:35.53 | steluta | bad first |
| 07:35.54 | kensuke | yo ! |
| 07:35.59 | karsten | steluta: The good news is /home should be good. |
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| 07:36.11 | pro | kensuke, what you doing all the way out here? |
| 07:36.14 | steluta | hoped for / to be good |
| 07:36.29 | kensuke | pro: ?? :-) |
| 07:36.30 | karsten | steluta: The bad news is that your damage to your root FS, which includes /usr and /var, may be randomly distributed over the filesystem. |
| 07:36.33 | pro | i found nemo, i found nemo |
| 07:36.37 | steluta | don;t give a fuck is users complain, / was the problem |
| 07:37.15 | karsten | steluta: I *strongly* advocate creating multiple partitions, in part to avoid such situations. You can recover much more readily from a / which excludes /var , /usr, and /home, than a single large partition. |
| 07:37.23 | karsten | steluta: But that's water under the bridge. |
| 07:37.43 | steluta | yeah |
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| 07:37.58 | karsten | steluta: third ask, and if I don't get a response, I'm dropping you: can you mount a floppy or write to networked media? |
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| 07:39.12 | steluta | a cand mount my usbstick |
| 07:39.30 | steluta | i'm saving some config files now |
| 07:39.33 | steluta | and /etc |
| 07:39.41 | karsten | steluta: OK. You'll want to do that. |
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| 07:40.13 | karsten | steluta: /etc/passwd is the biggie. If you've got any samba servers, you'll want them as well. |
| 07:40.46 | steluta | passwords don't count and user related data |
| 07:40.55 | steluta | the sistem is the big thing |
| 07:41.06 | steluta | lot's opf custom script and modifications done here |
| 07:41.14 | steluta | which i don't want to do again |
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| 07:41.16 | karsten | steluta: Well, save your customizations. |
| 07:41.19 | steluta | but seems like i will |
| 07:41.34 | karsten | steluta: The debian-managed software you can reinstall pretty reasonably. |
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| 07:42.23 | karsten | steluta: For your next downtime reading, partitioning: kmself.home.netcom.com/Linux/FAQs/partition.html |
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| 07:42.47 | karsten | steluta: This one's more immediately useful, cover's what to back up: http://kmself.home.netcom.com/Linux/FAQs/backups.html |
| 07:43.03 | karsten | steluta: Scroll down to "What to Back Up" |
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| 07:43.34 | steluta | ok |
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| 07:43.35 | karsten | steluta: Specifically: backupdirs="/etc /root /boot /home /usr/local /var/backups /var/lib \ |
| 07:43.36 | steluta | thanks |
| 07:43.41 | karsten | <PROTECTED> |
| 07:44.51 | pro | kensuke, i see your telkomdsl |
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| 07:45.11 | pro | kensuke, sorry was speaking with my boss quick |
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| 07:45.54 | pro | kensuke, im also from .za/GP/sandton |
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| 07:47.05 | steluta | karsten, thanks, but belive me i know what to backup, the thing is i'm very tired now, ahd that's why all this shit happend |
| 07:47.13 | karsten | steluta: Yeah. |
| 07:47.18 | karsten | steluta: Been there, done that. |
| 07:47.25 | steluta | :) |
| 07:47.39 | karsten | steluta: Once you've got your partition tables rebuilt, what you're going to want to do is reinstall _all_ your packages. |
| 07:47.47 | karsten | steluta: ...then restore data from backups. |
| 07:48.20 | karsten | steluta: ...reinstall package list can come from 'dpkg --get-selections', *or* the list of all files in /usr/share/doc/ matching [a-z]* |
| 07:48.34 | steluta | yep |
| 07:48.35 | karsten | steluta: s/all files/all directories/ |
| 07:48.49 | karsten | steluta: ...that excludes a few docs-only things like HOWTO, etc. |
| 07:48.49 | steluta | the nightmare is that i have to remake the ltsp |
| 07:48.54 | steluta | and that's no fun |
| 07:49.03 | karsten | steluta: Where'd those files live? |
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| 07:49.15 | karsten | steluta: *always* back your critical stuff up somewhere *very* far away. |
| 07:49.17 | steluta | /opt/ltsp |
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| 07:49.21 | steluta | :) |
| 07:49.43 | karsten | steluta: Yeah. I usually symlink /opt => /usr/local and have /usr/local as its own partition as well. |
| 07:49.48 | steluta | and i always do that , but this was the only site were i didn;t beacuse of financial stuff |
| 07:49.53 | steluta | crappy hardware |
| 07:49.57 | steluta | and stuff |
| 07:50.10 | karsten | steluta: financial stuff == insuficient $$ or financial data on server? |
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| 07:50.31 | steluta | insuficient $ |
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| 07:51.00 | steluta | imagine that the ltsp server is a athlon 1100 Mhz with 512 sdram and ide hard drive |
| 07:51.08 | karsten | steluta: Hrm. I'd also look at a fallback server. Mirroring state to it could be useful. And hardware needn't be overly expensive. |
| 07:51.09 | steluta | so that says all about that site .. |
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| 07:51.29 | steluta | i'd also use scsi, dual proc, ddram, raid and stuff |
| 07:51.34 | steluta | but ..... $$$$ |
| 07:51.35 | karsten | steluta: I'll raise you a PIII-466 256 MB 80 GB. |
| 07:51.44 | steluta | huh ? |
| 07:51.45 | karsten | steluta: ...which we got donated ;-) |
| 07:51.52 | steluta | :) |
| 07:52.02 | karsten | steluta: That's the box I'm speccing as an LTSP server, 30 clients. |
| 07:52.14 | karsten | ...maybe ;-) |
| 07:52.19 | steluta | and u use open office ? |
| 07:52.21 | schurig | where can I get an intro into "alternatives" ? My /usr/bin/pager points to /bin/more ... what made this wrong? |
| 07:52.22 | steluta | :)))) |
| 07:52.25 | steluta | don;t think so |
| 07:52.45 | jm_ | schurig: how exactly is that wrong? |
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| 07:52.53 | schurig | "man xxxx" used to work less, now it uses more |
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| 07:53.09 | jm_ | so update the alternative, or set PAGER |
| 07:53.09 | karsten | schurig: less /etc/alternatives/README |
| 07:53.21 | steluta | karsten, i wonder if you have xfree on that ltsp |
| 07:53.22 | steluta | :) |
| 07:53.23 | karsten | schurig: ...and 'man update-alternatives' |
| 07:53.51 | karsten | steluta: Multiple instances of a program are actually _mostly_ shared mem. |
| 07:54.06 | karsten | steluta: ...and yes, X is on the box as of this afternoon. |
| 07:54.08 | schurig | karsten: yeah, there are so many options. Should I use --auto? |
| 07:54.27 | karsten | schurig: IIRC: update-alternatives --config <foo> |
| 07:54.28 | schurig | karsten: (I assume that the --install was done by the debian maint. script?) |
| 07:54.59 | karsten | schurig: ...--config gives an interactive session. Pick your poison. |
| 07:55.16 | karsten | schurig: RTFM, yes, some options are meant to be used by install scripts. |
| 07:55.35 | daww | I want to boot Linux from a CD, how can I make one? |
| 07:55.38 | guorke | hehe ,i come |
| 07:55.50 | pro | daww, knoppix |
| 07:55.53 | karsten | daww: http://www.knoppix.org/ |
| 07:55.54 | schurig | karsten: hmm, weird. It points to /usr/bin/less. Actually, in /etc/alternatives it also points to less. It's just /usr/bin/pager that is wrong. |
| 07:56.06 | guorke | use lived linux cd |
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| 07:56.06 | jm_ | daww: grub or isolinux |
| 07:56.21 | karsten | schurig: 'pager' is a generic reference to, um, a pager. Alternatives are typically 'more', 'less', and 'most' |
| 07:56.29 | daww | jm_, grub |
| 07:56.31 | schurig | karsten: after udpate-alternatives, /usr/bin/pager stopped pointing to /bin/more, but goes to /etc/alternatives/pager |
| 07:56.34 | karsten | schurig: ...though I think w3m might be possible too. |
| 07:56.35 | schurig | karsten: makes more sense to me |
| 07:56.51 | jm_ | daww: info grub -> Installation -> Making a GRUB bootable CD-ROM |
| 07:56.58 | schurig | karsten: dunno what munged /usr/bin/pager manually |
| 07:57.03 | karsten | schurig: alternatives redirect through /etc/alternatives, it makes things simpler, really ;-) |
| 07:57.06 | karsten | schurig: NFC. |
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| 07:57.41 | Patad | hello |
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| 07:58.59 | karsten | OK, bedtime. |
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| 08:03.13 | Panzerboy | any idea in which package i can find the dig command ? |
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| 08:03.38 | jm_ | Panzerboy: read the FAQ |
| 08:03.39 | nagual | Panzerboy: apt-cache search dig |
| 08:03.46 | nagual | or you could do what jm says :) |
| 08:04.39 | opc0de | hey can anyone help me? I just received a message from my ISP warning that junk mail was sent from my machine.. I just checked my server and relay access is denied, plus, there's no trace of the junk mail message in question in my server logs.. I'mm guessing that maybe one of the windows machines on my network has probably been compromised and is the culprit? |
| 08:04.41 | Patad | anyone here that can help with azureus |
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| 08:05.33 | jm_ | opc0de: so block and log all the traffic to appropriate port, except from your server |
| 08:05.58 | opc0de | jm_: yeah, that's what I'm trying to figure out right now |
| 08:06.04 | wolf2zero | For Panzer: dnsutils |
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| 08:06.11 | opc0de | the correct iptables command to log smtp traffic |
| 08:06.19 | jm_ | opc0de: grep smtp /etc/services |
| 08:06.26 | ircdevil | opc0de: verify the mail from the ISP -> could be bogus |
| 08:06.41 | opc0de | ircdevil: I'm pretty sure it's legit |
| 08:06.47 | opc0de | but that's a good point |
| 08:06.53 | ircdevil | opc0de: phone-call :o) |
| 08:07.15 | cafe_roy | Panzerboy: try apt-cache search htdig |
| 08:07.27 | opc0de | heh no, this is definitely legit, they even made the same spelling mistake on my name in the e-mail |
| 08:07.37 | ircdevil | opc0de: firewall ? |
| 08:07.39 | opc0de | as in my account information.. |
| 08:07.44 | ircdevil | opc0de: ok |
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| 08:07.45 | Panzerboy | wolf2zero: 10x |
| 08:07.54 | Panzerboy | cafe_roy: i wanted dig, not htdig :) |
| 08:07.54 | opc0de | ircdevil: yeah all the machines on my network are behind this linux firewall |
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| 08:08.18 | TinoW | how would I deal in init.d startscripts with the situation a daemon has its start and stop scripts, but I need to change effective user at least. Do I use start-stop-daemon for them or just su ? |
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| 08:08.35 | opc0de | the thing is, the junk mail came from fakeuser@mydomain.com, so I was thinking that maybe I didn't lock it up tight enough and that I had foolishly allowed anyone to relay mail through *@mydomain.com, but I just tried it myself and I get relay access denied, so that can't be the case |
| 08:08.55 | jm_ | TinoW: start-stop-daemon has the option to do that |
| 08:09.34 | ircdevil | opc0de: interesting problem. could it be someone spoofing your ip? |
| 08:10.22 | TinoW | jm_: you mean -a ? |
| 08:10.39 | jm_ | TinoW: no, -u and -g |
| 08:11.04 | jm_ | TinoW: bah no, I meant -c, sorry |
| 08:11.13 | TinoW | jm_: well, I know these options. My question was in the direction if I should use start.stop-daemon here |
| 08:11.26 | opc0de | ircdevil: is that even possible? I thought with modern routers, you cant spoof ip's |
| 08:11.50 | TinoW | jm_: since command name is different with start and stop and it also returns and the pid is useless - or am I wrong? |
| 08:12.41 | wolf2zero | For Panzer..: dig is in dnsutils... Just apt-get-it :D |
| 08:12.42 | jm_ | TinoW: well it also depends on the daemon, not all need it |
| 08:12.58 | TinoW | jm_: well, this is exactly the question ;) |
| 08:13.17 | ircdevil | opc0de: you should start by making certain if you are the sinner or not. if you suspect your win boxes, then have the firewall log all outgoing traffic from these. |
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| 08:14.33 | Patad | hey anyone here that can help me with bittorrent |
| 08:14.35 | wgandhi | debian-installer does not recognize SATA drive on my 915 board... |
| 08:14.46 | TinoW | opc0de: does the mail appear as coming from purely by the "from" line or is the server also your server? |
| 08:15.01 | ircdevil | wgandhi: the woody installer? |
| 08:15.15 | wgandhi | i downloaded the sarge installer from debian-planet.. |
| 08:15.20 | TinoW | opc0de: see Received: lines |
| 08:15.32 | ircdevil | wgandhi: i think you need one with a kernel that has sata support |
| 08:15.38 | Gumby | can anyone tell me where the offiial place is for a 2.6 kernel to add the following module parameters... "options bttv tuner=2" |
| 08:15.40 | ircdevil | !tell wgandhi about sata |
| 08:15.50 | TinoW | satan support? ;) |
| 08:15.59 | jm_ | Gumby: man modules ; man modprobe |
| 08:16.11 | ircdevil | TinoW: new feature _o) |
| 08:16.22 | wgandhi | is there an available installer with SATA support that you of? |
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| 08:16.58 | ircdevil | wgandhi: yes (i cant remember where i got it thou -> i think i spotted it on a list of netinst images) |
| 08:17.03 | ircdevil | !netinst |
| 08:17.03 | dpkg | methinks netinst is a small cd or set of floppy images which install the base Debian system. For woody, see http://www.debian.org/CD/netinst/ for boot floppies see http://ftp.us.debian.org/debian/dists/stable/main/disks-i386/current/images-1.44/ and subdirs; for sarge see http://www.debian.org/devel/debian-installer/, or see dialup install |
| 08:17.25 | TinoW | sarge netinst should do |
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| 08:17.42 | wgandhi | i tried with sarge netinst, did not work.. |
| 08:18.00 | ircdevil | TinoW: <wgandhi> i downloaded the sarge installer from debian-planet.. |
| 08:18.06 | TinoW | wgandhi: hm. then you might have a very esoteric controller |
| 08:18.12 | Patad | i have the azureus.jar downloaded, how do i run it? |
| 08:18.19 | Gumby | jm_: thx |
| 08:18.20 | TinoW | wgandhi: did you look up the pciid? |
| 08:18.29 | wgandhi | actually it is the integrated controller for the Intel 915 chipset with ICH6 |
| 08:19.14 | TinoW | wgandhi: but is it supported by linux? |
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| 08:19.41 | wgandhi | FC3 seems to install fine.. |
| 08:20.04 | TinoW | wgandhi: and you did indeed let the installer probe for devices? |
| 08:20.18 | TinoW | wgandhi: sarge netinstall with expert26 |
| 08:21.01 | wgandhi | actually i tried only linux26 |
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| 08:21.15 | calin | I heard from someone that you can boot live-cd's from HD utilizing grub with the vmlinuz and initrd images from the disc. Anyone ever done this or have any help onit? |
| 08:21.54 | TinoW | calin: you can do this, but what is the point? :) |
| 08:22.12 | calin | Hell of it, bored and looking for something to work on. |
| 08:22.45 | calin | Just puked up a full plate of hooters wings, sitting ehre cold and tiredish, looking for something trivial |
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| 08:25.33 | possie | i have a box, where i forward port 2222 to a internal ssh box, but on the box where i forward i also have ssh running, so i have ssh on port 22 and 2222 running, when i ssh to 22 first and then to port 2222 it complains about the RSA key, how can i get around this? |
| 08:26.24 | jason_ | i have two hdd in my system, both of which had xp pro, and i replaced one of them with debian...how do i veiw the files of the other hdd? |
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| 08:28.03 | TinoW | possie: you can edit /etc/hosts, add to the line with 127.0.0.1 a symbolic name for the host you want to ssh to, then add /etc/ssh/sshd_config and create 2 Lines: Host symbolic_name\n Port 2222 |
| 08:28.21 | TinoW | possie: now you can just ssh symbolic_name to reach your forwarded host |
| 08:28.49 | zyg | i installed a debian system which kernal was 2.4,bu it could connect to the LAN.i tried to ping 127.0.0.1, i was ok, but when i used the command "ifconfig eth0" ,it showed "no devise" ,can somebody tell me what's the problem? thanks |
| 08:28.58 | guorke | how can far inspect linux in windows |
| 08:29.24 | zyg | i installed a debian system which kernal was 2.4,but it couldnot connect to the LAN.i tried to ping 127.0.0.1, i was ok, but when i used the command "ifconfig eth0" ,it showed "no devise" ,can somebody tell me what's the problem? thanks |
| 08:29.40 | TinoW | zyg: lspci and look for something which is reported as network device |
| 08:30.12 | possie | TinoW: okee, i thought of using the ip address instead of the hostname indeed accomplishes almost the same, but there is not command line option to ignore the RSA message? |
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| 08:30.50 | zyg | i'll try it, |
| 08:30.57 | jason_ | i have two hdds in my system, both of which had xp pro, and i replaced one of them with debian...how do i veiw the files of the other hdd which has xp? |
| 08:31.04 | MrKeuner | hi, I can successfully use the nv driver on my widescreen with a resolution of 1280x800. However, when I run when I run nvidia driver, xorg starts on the left handside of the screen leaving a blank space on the right. I remember some kernel module parameters to use while modprobing the nvidia module. Does anybody use that? |
| 08:31.06 | TinoW | zyg: then: cd /lib/modules/`uname -r`/kernel/drivers/net and ls and look for something which sounds similar, use modprobe modulename_but_without.ko |
| 08:31.22 | TinoW | possie: there is also. |
| 08:31.42 | TinoW | possie: the power of man file may help you ;) |
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| 08:32.53 | possie | TinoW: okee thanks! :-) |
| 08:32.55 | b33r | when i was configuring Xfree it was asking what bus my video card was on (ppc laptop) i accidentally hit enter, and now when i use startx it is looking for /dev/tty , what config file can I edit to change this? |
| 08:33.09 | zyg | i have to restart my computer to do this,i am now using the debian system in an vm |
| 08:33.15 | zyg | wmware |
| 08:33.33 | TinoW | b33r: dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xfree86 |
| 08:33.46 | b33r | thank you |
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| 08:35.44 | zyg | and i have another question,when i boot the system,it showed usb.c :regestered new devise,and then it would stop to run. then i have to press crtl_c again and again to jump over it,i don't know have to deal with the problem. |
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| 08:38.29 | TinoW | zyg: what kind of devices do you have plugged in? |
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| 08:39.51 | b33r | how do i get to a shell when configuring something in debian |
| 08:39.57 | zyg | i don't know,my computer is "hp nx9040" an notetap |
| 08:39.57 | b33r | i thought it was shift+f1 |
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| 08:40.25 | simonrvn | b33r: ctrl-option-f1 |
| 08:40.31 | b33r | thank you |
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| 08:40.47 | b33r | damn didnt work... im on ppc debian btw |
| 08:41.00 | simonrvn | yes |
| 08:41.11 | simonrvn | do you know what option is? it's alt |
| 08:41.23 | b33r | ya it says it on the key |
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| 08:41.26 | simonrvn | you need to use Fn key if you're on a lappy with that key |
| 08:41.34 | b33r | oh wow |
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| 08:41.43 | b33r | still doesnt work :( |
| 08:41.52 | b33r | ctrl-fn-option-f1 |
| 08:41.55 | simonrvn | Fn first IIRC, then the others |
| 08:42.06 | b33r | no go |
| 08:42.17 | simonrvn | ok, try ctrl-opt-fn-f1 |
| 08:42.22 | simonrvn | in that order |
| 08:42.30 | b33r | yesh |
| 08:42.34 | simonrvn | ok |
| 08:42.35 | b33r | you are a life saver |
| 08:42.36 | b33r | :D |
| 08:42.41 | simonrvn | nah :) |
| 08:42.51 | jm_ | more likely one of the 10 PPC users around the world |
| 08:42.58 | b33r | lol |
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| 08:43.01 | simonrvn | hehe |
| 08:43.15 | simonrvn | times 100 000 ;p |
| 08:43.38 | jm_ | yeah, many people seem to like apple laptops |
| 08:43.54 | simonrvn | run cooler for one thing |
| 08:44.13 | simonrvn | though i've seen some get hot, mostly 'cause of the fan not working well |
| 08:44.19 | b33r | simonrvn: when im selecting the video driver for xserver, and if im using an ati rage mobility m3 which option should i choose? |
| 08:44.32 | simonrvn | the ati driver of course |
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| 08:45.00 | b33r | DURR first one on the list |
| 08:45.04 | b33r | wow i need some caffine |
| 08:45.13 | simonrvn | heh. good idea |
| 08:45.17 | b33r | now what about mouse devices? |
| 08:45.26 | simonrvn | /dev/input/mice, imps2 |
| 08:45.51 | jm_ | does PPC 2.6 kernel also use ExplorerPS/2 type for all mice? |
| 08:46.07 | jm_ | I guess it does, because the input FAQ doesn't mention architectures |
| 08:46.13 | simonrvn | no, use imps2 |
| 08:46.26 | tarzeau | morning |
| 08:46.27 | b33r | ok for what pci bus the video card is on |
| 08:46.34 | simonrvn | haven't had to change anything re: x and 2.4/2.6 |
| 08:46.37 | b33r | lspci gave me 0000:00:10:0 |
| 08:46.43 | simonrvn | don't need that |
| 08:46.47 | simonrvn | leave blank |
| 08:46.52 | b33r | you sure? |
| 08:46.53 | tarzeau | i haven't see a ps/2 port anywhere else than on mips,alpha and x86 computers |
| 08:46.55 | simonrvn | yes |
| 08:47.16 | jm_ | tarzeau: HP and SGI machines also use PS/2 |
| 08:47.18 | simonrvn | tarzeau: some mac clones and pegasos(1|2) boards have them |
| 08:47.22 | jm_ | well HP-s have USB only lately |
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| 08:47.33 | b33r | it says users of machines other than powerpcs or SGI with only one video cars should leave this entry blank |
| 08:47.36 | tarzeau | jm_: hp paric the 64bitters maybe |
| 08:47.44 | simonrvn | b33r: ignore it |
| 08:47.46 | tarzeau | jm_: i was meaning sgi when i said mips |
| 08:47.53 | b33r | but i trust you simonrvn :D |
| 08:47.55 | simonrvn | b33r: only useful if you have more than one video device |
| 08:47.57 | b33r | blank it is |
| 08:48.00 | jm_ | tarzeau: all old 7xx and B class machines use PS/2 mice and keyboards |
| 08:48.20 | tarzeau | jm_: mine has some strange connector which looks like an ethernet jack |
| 08:48.27 | b33r | should i leave video memory blank too? |
| 08:48.42 | simonrvn | b33r: say i installed the ims twin turbo card i have on this thing i would need to specify it |
| 08:48.49 | jm_ | tarzeau: what model is this? |
| 08:48.54 | simonrvn | yes, auto-detect works well |
| 08:48.58 | simonrvn | b33r: ^^^ |
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| 08:49.03 | b33r | aahh cool thanks |
| 08:49.21 | tarzeau | jm_: some 7xx apollo |
| 08:49.28 | tarzeau | jm_: 710 or 712 i'm not sure |
| 08:49.34 | tarzeau | they forgot to label it properly |
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| 08:49.40 | simonrvn | yet another kernel compile for me... |
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| 08:50.31 | ryoohki | what package provides "html2"? is it /usr/bin/html2? |
| 08:50.31 | b33r | ok simonrvn i did /dev/input/mice |
| 08:50.35 | tarzeau | simonrvn: is it at least a non-linux kernel compile? |
| 08:50.41 | pipeline | tarzeau: for extra fun, some SGI's have things that use the same connectors and voltages as PS2, but with entirely different timings and pin assignments :) |
| 08:50.41 | b33r | now its asking if i want to emulate 3 buttons... but i only have 1! |
| 08:50.53 | tarzeau | ryoohki: why/who needs that? |
| 08:50.54 | simonrvn | too good to be true getting a 2.6 kernel to build clean the first time. had to deal with yet another security hole... better safe than sorry :) |
| 08:51.06 | simonrvn | tarzeau: nah, just plain ol' linux |
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| 08:51.14 | pipeline | tarzeau: Ooh, Apollo. The OS is unobtanium, but it would be a fun machine if you somehow found a copy of Domain :( |
| 08:51.16 | tarzeau | pipeline: hehe, hilarious. who had the idea? and what sgi's are that? |
| 08:51.36 | simonrvn | b33r: say no. then set up the mouse. lemme get that for you (moment) |
| 08:51.36 | pipeline | tarzeau: The SGI Indigo R3k, Indigo R4k, and I think the Crimson. |
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| 08:51.53 | pipeline | tarzeau: Older ones used bizarro connectors, newer ones use PS/2 peripherals. |
| 08:51.57 | tarzeau | pipeline: but the connector isn't ps/2 it is different. isn't it? i think i have an sgi indigo at home |
| 08:52.20 | tarzeau | valdyn: did you do anything about the new nvidia network cards? |
| 08:52.36 | simonrvn | my bot is currently on the fritz, so i have to go fetch the data manually |
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| 08:52.47 | pipeline | tarzeau: The indigo is an espresso-machine-sized wide blue tower. And the ones I've seen had a mini-DIN that looked awfully similar to a PS/2. I think it's physically compatible. |
| 08:53.00 | sr21 | hey |
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| 08:53.32 | tarzeau | pipeline: i'll check tonight. well there's small and large espresso machines... |
| 08:53.44 | pipeline | tarzeau: It's about a foot wide and the height of a tall PC. |
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| 08:53.55 | trogger | apache2, php4, client wants to download script instead of executing it. AddType is set correctly in apache2.conf... what's the other step I'm missing? |
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| 08:54.09 | tarzeau | pipeline: aahm, wrong metrics |
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| 08:54.43 | pipeline | tarzeau: Roughly 30cm wide, less than a meter tall. |
| 08:54.55 | tarzeau | pipeline: more violet than blue? |
| 08:55.02 | tarzeau | pipeline: does it also read IRIS on it? |
| 08:55.13 | pipeline | tarzeau: They vary in color due to aging and sun damage, but yeah. |
| 08:55.24 | tarzeau | pipeline: i have a coffee machine!!! |
| 08:55.34 | pipeline | tarzeau: An expressigo? |
| 08:55.48 | tarzeau | pipeline: ye |
| 08:55.50 | pipeline | tarzeau: Err, espressigo? Those are rare. Only a handful made. |
| 08:56.02 | tarzeau | pipeline: no idea but it's an sgi... |
| 08:56.04 | pipeline | tarzeau: Does it still work? |
| 08:56.11 | tarzeau | pipeline: yes |
| 08:56.20 | pipeline | tarzeau: I'm talking about an espresso machine inside an SGI Indigo case :P |
| 08:56.58 | sr21 | i have a process that is being run by apache called "psybnc" an irc bouncer how do i see where the process is linked to |
| 08:56.59 | sr21 | ? |
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| 08:57.36 | TinoW | sr21: you see it via ps aux | grep psybnc ? |
| 08:57.52 | jm_ | tarzeau: are you sure that's not for a terminal? |
| 08:57.56 | sr21 | apache 17436 0.0 0.0 664 204 ? S Mar07 0:01 psybnc |
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| 08:58.19 | TinoW | sr21: then use lsof -p 17436 |
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| 08:58.55 | TinoW | sr21: or netstat -tpn | grep psybnc |
| 08:59.00 | sr21 | bash: lsof: command not found |
| 08:59.10 | fester | Hi, how do i make fstab mount a partition so everyone can view it? |
| 08:59.15 | TinoW | sr21: apt-get install lsof (swissarmy-knife) |
| 08:59.36 | TinoW | dont leave home w/o your lsof ;) |
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| 09:00.00 | evl | I've got famd running on a box on my network but I'm not sure what's it's being used for, is there a way to list all packages that depend on a package? |
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| 09:00.31 | jm_ | evl: yes there is |
| 09:01.07 | simonrvn | b33r: dev.mac_hid.mouse_button_emulation=1, and dev.mac_hid.mouse_buttonY_keycode=XX -- where XX is a number you get from showkey (in console only), the key you want, and Y is 2 or 3. however, you'll lose functionality of the selected keys for any other use, or to make the change permanent, add the entries to /etc/sysctl.conf - man sysctl.conf, and you can enable it immediately by running sysctl -p after you've edited sysctl.conf |
| 09:01.30 | TinoW | evl: man fam |
| 09:01.40 | b33r | ok gimme a sec to read that a couple of times :P |
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| 09:01.48 | evl | TinoW: read my question again. |
| 09:01.59 | evl | jm_: and? :) |
| 09:02.04 | jm_ | evl: and what? |
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| 09:02.05 | TinoW | evl: "<evl> I've got famd running on a box on my network but I'm not sure what's it's being used for..." |
| 09:02.13 | TinoW | evl: also see man dpkg |
| 09:02.31 | b33r | is that how you have yours setup simonrvn? |
| 09:02.47 | evl | TinoW: and the last part reads "but what I really want to know in connection with that problem presented is how to list package dependencies" |
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| 09:03.24 | TinoW | evl: two questions in one. You do not require I answer to all of them, dont you? :) |
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| 09:03.49 | LJ-silver | hello,all debian fans. |
| 09:04.03 | b33r | currently everything in my sysctl.conf files is commented out |
| 09:04.13 | b33r | so i just add those 2 above lines into it? |
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| 09:05.11 | Patad | hullo |
| 09:05.12 | b33r | and when i was configuring my xserver there was no imps option for my mouse |
| 09:05.16 | simonrvn | b33r: used to, i have a 3 button ADB mouse now |
| 09:05.35 | sr21 | TinoW i did that |
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| 09:05.41 | b33r | ya i might just leave it and get a ps/2 mouse |
| 09:05.48 | sr21 | and it listed 26 results |
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| 09:05.53 | sr21 | cd /var/tmp |
| 09:05.53 | sr21 | ls |
| 09:05.57 | simonrvn | b33r: usually people do F11 and F12, being 87 88 for dev.mac_hid.mouse_button2_keycode=87 and dev.mac_hid.mouse_button3_keycode=88 |
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| 09:06.08 | kensuke | Has anyone had a problem running sarge and the flash plugin. My videos run fine ... but the audio is CRAP ! anyone ? |
| 09:06.17 | pipeline | kensuke: The linux flash plugin sucks ass. |
| 09:06.23 | blahdeblah | wolfey, looks like my client doesn't support file transfer |
| 09:06.32 | kensuke | pipeline ... any suggestions ? |
| 09:06.35 | blahdeblah | <PROTECTED> |
| 09:06.35 | pipeline | kensuke: You may be able to fool with esd/arts buffering settings to make the audio suck less. |
| 09:06.37 | b33r | ahh so f11 is middle click and f12 is right click? |
| 09:06.42 | Patad | im upgrading to sarge, yay! |
| 09:06.44 | simonrvn | yup |
| 09:06.59 | pipeline | kensuke: Also, try reconfiguring the mozilla packages with dpkg-reconfigure -- you can try choosing a different audio wrapper. I can't remember which package exactly to dpkg-reconfigure :( |
| 09:07.14 | simonrvn | !test |
| 09:07.14 | dpkg | No, simonrvn, you're not online any more. |
| 09:07.16 | kensuke | pipeline: thanx for the hints ... :-) |
| 09:07.19 | simonrvn | @test |
| 09:07.24 | b33r | simonrvn, 1 last thing.. i did dpkg-recon on my xserver but when i startx it is still looking for /dev/tty |
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| 09:07.25 | simonrvn | ... |
| 09:07.29 | simonrvn | still fucked |
| 09:07.40 | b33r | cant figure out why |
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| 09:07.44 | simonrvn | b33r: does it exist? |
| 09:07.48 | b33r | no |
| 09:07.54 | simonrvn | it should |
| 09:08.11 | b33r | 1 little piece of info though |
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| 09:08.31 | simonrvn | less <kernel source/Documentation/devices.txt or on the web |
| 09:08.44 | b33r | whjen i was doing the netinstall, i couldnt install the base system files because i didnt know how to get into a shell and set up ip address |
| 09:08.50 | simonrvn | use mknod to make it |
| 09:08.53 | TinoW | b33r: check your mouse-config next time you run dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xfree86 |
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| 09:09.08 | TinoW | b33r: usually you can use /dev/input/mice |
| 09:09.15 | tarzeau | pipeline: ah no, i don't drink coffee |
| 09:09.42 | b33r | so would not having the base system files effect me runnign startx? |
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| 09:09.55 | jm_ | b33r: yes, and many other things |
| 09:10.01 | b33r | only thing i apt-getted after the install was gnome, and xserver |
| 09:10.10 | b33r | how can I get the base system files now |
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| 09:10.24 | sanxiyn | b33r: ... |
| 09:10.32 | b33r | i know i know |
| 09:10.33 | TinoW | b33r: dont forget x-windows-core or x-windows-system and the core-fonts |
| 09:10.44 | TinoW | s/windows/window |
| 09:10.44 | simonrvn | run base-config |
| 09:10.49 | jm_ | base-files has that, but there's also base-config |
| 09:11.14 | b33r | right when i type in base-config it echoes terminates |
| 09:11.17 | b33r | terminated* |
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| 09:12.10 | deadcat | possible to put 2 images side-by-side and save as dual.jpg? using convert. i have 2 1280x1024 images i want 2560x1024 |
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| 09:12.51 | jm_ | deadcat: man montage |
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| 09:13.08 | simonrvn | @test |
| 09:13.22 | simonrvn | *still* doing that "1 test" crap... |
| 09:13.31 | deadcat | jm_: cool |
| 09:14.07 | b33r | ok - re-installing |
| 09:14.11 | b33r | :D |
| 09:15.01 | sanxiyn | Now... what is needed to get FXRuby in Debian (#169959) after 2 years and 4 months...? |
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| 09:16.01 | simonrvn | @lart "1 test" crap |
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| 09:18.32 | deadcat | jm_: beats me. manpage is crazy. help |
| 09:18.51 | jm_ | deadcat: I never used it, I always do it in gimp |
| 09:19.15 | deadcat | jm_: ya. but my x is so buggy that when i edit stuff in gimp. X hangs. |
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| 09:19.52 | simonrvn | cat img1.jpg img2.jpg > img3.jpg :P |
| 09:20.19 | deadcat | (=. dont fuck with me heheeh. cus i am gonna do it. |
| 09:20.32 | deadcat | simonrvn: i want them side by side. 2560x1024 |
| 09:20.39 | jm_ | deadcat: well try the examples in montage man page |
| 09:20.41 | simonrvn | i have idea if that'd work. i suspect not |
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| 09:20.56 | simonrvn | no idea* |
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| 09:23.21 | FalscherHase | hi. i stumbled across a problem with cpudyn while configuring it for my centrino notebook. it expects the list in /sys/devices/system/cpu/cpu0/cpufreq/scaling_available_frequencies to be increasing while mine is *de*creasing. |
| 09:24.05 | FalscherHase | is this dependent on the hardware or did the kernel change this at some point? |
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| 09:24.57 | Araldit | Howcome Debian uses inetd over xinetd |
| 09:25.08 | deadcat | Araldit: cus both suck |
| 09:25.09 | deadcat | s |
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| 09:25.50 | Araldit | but it doesn't matter which one to use right... I can just apt xinet, without any trouble |
| 09:26.01 | deadcat | ya |
| 09:26.09 | Araldit | thx |
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| 09:26.57 | tiger1020x | hello all |
| 09:26.58 | VoX | how would i go about getting a 3dfx-based card to run gl-based apps under x? |
| 09:27.19 | tiger1020x | i'm having problems with a bootsplash |
| 09:28.21 | tiger1020x | anyone ever got one to work? |
| 09:28.55 | deadcat | tiger1020x: yes. patche your kernl yet? |
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| 09:29.32 | tiger1020x | tried to. |
| 09:29.39 | deadcat | tiger1020x: then do it. |
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| 09:29.52 | tiger1020x | used .debs from bootsplash.de |
| 09:29.55 | deadcat | jm_: i got it to work. |
| 09:30.03 | deadcat | tiger1020x: ya. |
| 09:30.18 | tiger1020x | when i try to patch the kernel i get "not in top kernel dir" |
| 09:30.29 | deadcat | tiger1020x: cd /usr/src/linux |
| 09:30.34 | tiger1020x | so i cd /usr/src/linux ..still |
| 09:30.56 | tiger1020x | tried patch -p1 <bootsplash |
| 09:31.00 | deadcat | tiger1020x: you should mess witht he kernel if you cant debug that error |
| 09:31.11 | Phated | deadcat: "shouldn't"? :) |
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| 09:31.29 | deadcat | Phated: ya. definately shouldnt (= |
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| 09:31.35 | Phated | Heh. |
| 09:31.40 | Araldit | Is there a benchmark tool for linux, like the ones in windows.. |
| 09:31.52 | deadcat | let me show my new bgimage converted by montage. |
| 09:31.59 | deadcat | Araldit: no |
| 09:32.10 | Araldit | bumb |
| 09:32.14 | asuffield | Araldit: you mean a way to generate meaningless numbers? /dev/urandom |
| 09:32.31 | asuffield | if you mean the part about corporations buying the numbers, no |
| 09:32.37 | thesaboteur | bogomips 2 win |
| 09:33.10 | Araldit | asuffield: Meaningless I wouldn't say.. But numbers which I can use to compare with other users of the same system,.. To see If something isn't completely optimum. |
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| 09:33.22 | asuffield | they are meaningless |
| 09:33.30 | asuffield | and what you can compare is whose corporation paid the biggest bribe |
| 09:33.32 | peterS | Araldit: there are lots of benchmark programs to measure specific things in specific ways |
| 09:33.47 | peterS | Araldit: but nothing, AFAIK, that you can run and it'll tell you "your computer has the equivalent of about an 8.55 inch penis" |
| 09:33.48 | asuffield | that's all those things have ever meant |
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| 09:34.26 | Araldit | If they are so meaningless howcome every review of some hardware is using em.. |
| 09:34.26 | peet | how do i get screen output to goto a file also |
| 09:34.42 | fatal__ | Araldit: because people read the article if there's numbers in them... |
| 09:34.48 | asuffield | Araldit: because you're only reading reviews that were bought by the *same corporations* |
| 09:34.57 | asuffield | of course they're going to quote the numbers they spent so much money buying |
| 09:35.16 | Araldit | asuffield: So Toms hardware and all magazines is just bogus.. |
| 09:35.19 | asuffield | hell yes |
| 09:35.27 | Araldit | asuffield: Pitty |
| 09:35.31 | deadcat | http://gallery.sshonly.sytes.net/linux/screenshots/xwd_20050309_27215.jpg |
| 09:35.41 | asuffield | pretty much all the magazines are ZD. those are bought. "Tom's Hardware" has always been a corporate mouthpiece |
| 09:36.03 | Araldit | k |
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| 09:36.08 | peet | how do you direct screenoutput to a file as well as display on a screen? |
| 09:36.20 | deadcat | peet: tee |
| 09:36.23 | peterS | peet: | tee filename |
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| 09:40.12 | Magnakai | hey debian |
| 09:40.16 | Magnakai | is the hurd working yet |
| 09:40.22 | Magnakai | is stallman alive? |
| 09:40.49 | deadcat | no no |
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| 09:43.50 | peet | thanks guys |
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| 09:46.11 | jm_ | deadcat: I get 404 for that URL |
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| 09:50.17 | deadcat | jm_: you sure? |
| 09:50.49 | deadcat | jm_: http://gallery.sshonly.sytes.net/linux/screenshots/xwd_20050309_27215.jpg |
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| 09:51.41 | deadcat | jm_: you the dillo or firefox dude right? |
| 09:51.54 | jm_ | deadcat: wget ;) |
| 09:52.00 | deadcat | heheeh |
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| 09:55.42 | deadcat | jm_: wget dont work cus its lib-apache-perl |
| 09:55.53 | jm_ | deadcat: why does that matter? |
| 09:56.03 | deadcat | jm_: its html |
| 09:57.15 | HmJ | is there any dc++ cli clients for nix? |
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| 09:58.20 | fdsj3 | hi |
| 09:58.28 | fdsj3 | what's DTrace ? |
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| 09:59.35 | deadcat | jm_: it werkin? |
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| 10:00.33 | jm_ | deadcat: well in that case I'd get back a html file in wget, wouldn't I? I just get 404 reply |
| 10:00.58 | deadcat | jm_: just use ff or dillo or links -g |
| 10:01.25 | simonrvn | @test |
| 10:01.53 | simonrvn | @test |
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| 10:03.54 | jm_ | deadcat: something is screwed, it's either the proxy or something else, lynx says 404 too |
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| 10:04.54 | deadcat | jm_: hmm. let me try it from a remote box |
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| 10:05.11 | jm_ | deadcat: naah don't worry, it's probably something on my side |
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| 10:05.35 | jm_ | or maybe it resolves to a diff. IP |
| 10:05.53 | deadcat | jm_: ya. it works from freeshell.org |
| 10:06.11 | jm_ | deadcat: what IP does hsot return for you? |
| 10:06.38 | deadcat | gallery.sshonly.sytes.net has address 66.245.253.64 |
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| 10:06.51 | jm_ | the same ;) |
| 10:06.59 | Rawplayer | lo fanclub |
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| 10:09.46 | simonrvn | @test |
| 10:09.47 | ravenbird | simonrvn: grrr, what do *you* want? |
| 10:09.59 | simonrvn | @test |
| 10:09.59 | ravenbird | Yes, simonrvn, you're still online. |
| 10:10.06 | simonrvn | it worky |
| 10:10.14 | TinoW | 7kick simonrvn *test* |
| 10:11.12 | ircdevil | @test simonrvn |
| 10:11.15 | ravenbird | Testing simonrvn... ROM BASIC NOT FOUND$#$ |
| 10:11.32 | deadcat | simonrvn: did you know words like "likee" or "workee" were used by chinese gold miners in the 1800's in US? (= |
| 10:11.46 | simonrvn | nope. do now |
| 10:11.49 | Rawplayer | suckee |
| 10:11.53 | donius | Hi all. My problem today is I still can't get my sound card working. I have grp audio on the user. looking at docs in /usr/src/linux it mentoins decfsd.conf . Do I use devfs? anyideas on snd prob.? was working before kernel recompile, running 2.6.11 now. |
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| 10:12.14 | ircdevil | !faq donius |
| 10:12.14 | dpkg | donius: http://www.linuks.mine.nu/debian-faq-wiki/ |
| 10:12.23 | deadcat | read it on my "american west" history book the other day. |
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| 10:12.49 | DrPete | I know this is a hard question to ask, but I am looking into doing a bit of monitoring. I know there is nagios, mrtg, cricket. I dont want to learn them all, what is your opinions is the best one? |
| 10:12.51 | RiV | hi all |
| 10:13.09 | RiV | rdtool |
| 10:13.17 | deadcat | DrPete: all sucks |
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| 10:14.01 | RiV | I have some trouble setting up a DWL650 Wlan card on testing. Any specialists in the room? |
| 10:14.19 | deadcat | RiV: hostap? |
| 10:14.27 | RiV | installed that allready |
| 10:14.38 | simonrvn | DrPete: nagios, rrdtool, mrtg. mrtg with rrdtool backend is really nice |
| 10:14.40 | DrPete | deadcat: hehe, err ok then |
| 10:14.42 | RiV | the thing is, i have wifi0 and wlan0, but |
| 10:14.45 | deadcat | RiV: iwconfig wlan0 essid ESSID key restricted KEY ? |
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| 10:14.47 | petemc | DrPete: nagios is great |
| 10:15.02 | DrPete | simonrvn: that sounds painfull |
| 10:15.07 | RiV | that wont connect to an ap |
| 10:15.14 | sml | ? |
| 10:15.18 | deadcat | RiV: ignore wifi0, you can even use orinoco to eliminate the confusion |
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| 10:15.51 | RiV | there is no key |
| 10:15.51 | RiV | open network |
| 10:15.55 | deadcat | damn |
| 10:16.12 | RiV | ? |
| 10:16.21 | deadcat | RiV: iwconfig see if the Access Point: is showing the MAC of the AP |
| 10:16.29 | RiV | 44:44:44:44:44:44 |
| 10:16.38 | deadcat | thats no good |
| 10:16.47 | RiV | yeah :-) Thats why im here |
| 10:16.57 | RiV | have got 2 hours to make it good :) |
| 10:17.04 | deadcat | whats the ssid you use? |
| 10:17.09 | RiV | Rivanet |
| 10:17.15 | deadcat | ah |
| 10:17.39 | deadcat | dlink to dlink? |
| 10:17.49 | RiV | dlink to linksys WRT54G |
| 10:18.15 | deadcat | ah. maybe thats the problem. i had problem with orinoco_cs to netgear before |
| 10:18.44 | RiV | what should I do? |
| 10:18.45 | petemc | ive got all sorts of devices talking to my wrt54g |
| 10:18.48 | deadcat | RiV: can you connect to neighbor? |
| 10:18.54 | RiV | nope |
| 10:19.03 | TinoW | WEP-key or so? |
| 10:19.05 | RiV | wavemon won'T show any APs |
| 10:19.09 | RiV | nope |
| 10:19.24 | deadcat | RiV: try kismet. maybe the card is bad. |
| 10:19.26 | RiV | he won't find any ap |
| 10:19.29 | TinoW | RiV: you do not encrypt? |
| 10:19.32 | RiV | no |
| 10:19.37 | deadcat | TinoW: he doesnt |
| 10:19.40 | RiV | later ssh tunnelling |
| 10:20.13 | RiV | installing kismet... |
| 10:20.43 | RiV | its open on purpose to give free access to the web |
| 10:20.46 | TinoW | RiV: firmware driver loaded if your card needs it? |
| 10:21.05 | RiV | I have neither experience nor clues doing that |
| 10:21.32 | deadcat | RiV: try kismet see if you have neighbor that are open. and try to conenct to them |
| 10:22.01 | deadcat | no MAC filter right? |
| 10:22.52 | RiV | no |
| 10:23.34 | RiV | kismet: FATAL: Unable to open cisco control file '/proc/driver/aironet/eth0/Config' 2:No such... |
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| 10:23.51 | RiV | guess I should specify some interface |
| 10:23.53 | deadcat | RiV: edit /etc/kismet/kismet_ui.conf and search source |
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| 10:24.21 | deadcat | RiV: kismet -c wlanng,wlan0,wlanng |
| 10:25.01 | RiV | deadcat: what should I do in kismet_ui.conf |
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| 10:25.25 | DrPete | simonrvn: hehe yeah |
| 10:25.25 | deadcat | RiV: search for the source line and chagne it to wlanng,wlan0,wlanng |
| 10:25.27 | FlopsyPete | at installation, despite not having chosen to install a mail server, I'm asked to configure Exim. I choose 'local delivery only; not on a network' and often it can take 50% of boot time at the 'MTA:' prompt. whats going on? |
| 10:25.33 | DrPete | petemc: I will give nagios a look |
| 10:26.08 | DrPete | Can it monitor squid, I want to check to see if it can handle the load |
| 10:26.29 | RiV | well... there is no source line. Will try the shell command |
| 10:26.37 | simonrvn | you can monitor anything |
| 10:26.51 | simonrvn | you can have it work through snmp if you want |
| 10:27.40 | RiV | gave me : FATAL: command 'wlanctl-ng wlan0 lnxreq_ifstate=enable >/dev/null 2>/dev/null' failed |
| 10:28.07 | deadcat | RiV: oops. thats for wlan-ng driver. hehe |
| 10:28.24 | RiV | would they be better in my case? |
| 10:28.34 | deadcat | RiV: source=hostap,wlan0,prism_pci |
| 10:28.40 | DrPete | simonrvn: oohh, sounds nice. I need to have a play with it |
| 10:28.40 | deadcat | RiV: in /etc/kismet/kismet.conf |
| 10:28.52 | deadcat | RiV: wlan-ng suck dicks |
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| 10:30.05 | RiV | done |
| 10:30.11 | RiV | kismet |
| 10:30.25 | RiV | FATAL: failed to set channel 6 22: Invalid argument |
| 10:30.28 | RiV | :-) |
| 10:30.47 | deadcat | as root? |
| 10:30.51 | fdsj3 | what's DTrace ? |
| 10:30.51 | RiV | yep |
| 10:31.12 | RiV | fdsj3: I guess Trace with a Typo to start |
| 10:31.20 | fdsj3 | :) |
| 10:31.29 | deadcat | dynamic |
| 10:31.34 | valdyn | FlopsyPete: I suspect its waiting for some dns lookup to time out |
| 10:32.00 | RiV | deadcat: any idea? |
| 10:32.04 | RiV | FATAL: failed to set channel 6 22: Invalid argument |
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| 10:32.18 | jm_ | DTrace is dynamic tracing facility on Solaris |
| 10:32.26 | deadcat | RiV: out of... 2:30 and i have 3 essays to read.. |
| 10:32.43 | RiV | ok, thanks a lot allready! |
| 10:32.51 | FlopsyPete | valdyn: if I've said I don't want a mail server; then chosen local delivery only; am I right in thinking it shouldn't be trying to use the Internet? |
| 10:32.53 | valdyn | FlopsyPete: and generally : a unix system _needs_ an mta |
| 10:33.05 | RiV | someone else? |
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| 10:33.55 | ricky_clarkson | fatal__: Pity lilo. |
| 10:34.01 | FlopsyPete | valdyn: ok, thanks. I'll check if it tries to do that before the DHCP request |
| 10:34.05 | spo0nman | [OFFTOPIC] what kind of salary would you say 2400 euros in frankfurt is? good bad decent. |
| 10:34.14 | ricky_clarkson | spo0nman: Per week? |
| 10:34.24 | VoX | how would i go about getting a 3dfx-based card to run gl-based apps under x? |
| 10:34.33 | fatal__ | ricky_clarkson: nah... he annoys everyone back by hilighting their status window... |
| 10:34.38 | valdyn | FlopsyPete: its trying to lookup the name to your own ip |
| 10:34.45 | sml | spo0nman: a month its crap. a week its not bad :) |
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| 10:35.05 | ricky_clarkson | fatal__: Hehe. |
| 10:35.37 | ricky_clarkson | Normally you quote salary per year, |
| 10:35.59 | valdyn | FlopsyPete: look at /etc/exim4/update-exim4.conf.conf |
| 10:36.15 | valdyn | FlopsyPete: however don't edit it |
| 10:36.20 | nagual | i know this is a bit off topic, but does anyone know if you can make irssi to not show jions/parts for specific channels (i´d read the docs, but irssis docs are unfortunately anything but good) |
| 10:36.32 | FlopsyPete | valdyn: ok. thanks |
| 10:36.33 | jm_ | nagual: yes you can, try #irssi |
| 10:36.41 | nagual | jm_: thanks |
| 10:36.46 | jm_ | nagual: /help ignore |
| 10:36.47 | spo0nman | ricky_clarkson: its accenture. you think they'd pay per week? |
| 10:36.55 | ricky_clarkson | What's accenture? |
| 10:37.07 | nagual | jm_: oh, i didnt know about that, i usually just /set <tab> |
| 10:37.09 | nagual | thanks! |
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| 10:37.33 | sml | can you use ignore to highlight in ircssi ? |
| 10:37.36 | nksen_ | what's the difference between the packages openoffice.org and openoffice.org-bin? |
| 10:37.37 | spo0nman | ricky_clarkson: lol. whats a accenture? yeah! forget it. |
| 10:37.55 | ricky_clarkson | !ircspeak spo0nman: get a grip |
| 10:37.55 | dpkg | lol spo0nman: get a grip rofl!!!111!!!!111oneone |
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| 10:38.35 | valdyn | FlopsyPete: "host_lookup = *" in exim4.conf.template. Still however you should fix the name that cannot be looked up in /etc/exim4/update-exim4.conf.conf I think |
| 10:39.37 | spo0nman | ricky_clarkson: well! there is a difference in meaning between "whats accenture?" and "whats a accenture?". you didnt got the *joke*. bad joke. forget it. |
| 10:40.51 | sml | !!!111!! lool gr8 buyer A+++++++++ (we should have an ebayspeak) |
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| 10:41.30 | sml | spoopin: gramatically speaking it should be "an accenture" |
| 10:41.45 | navreet | 2400 Euros/week sounds great :) |
| 10:41.54 | ricky_clarkson | !dict accenture |
| 10:41.55 | sml | I'd settle for working for free ski passeds |
| 10:42.06 | sml | s/d// |
| 10:42.07 | FlopsyPete | valdyn: should the name be a fully qualified one in update-exim4.conf.conf? I have 'dc_other_hostnames='melognome' and dc_local_interfaces='127.0.0.1' |
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| 10:42.14 | spo0nman | navreet: my friend isnt intrested anyways. want me to fwd the email? |
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| 10:42.52 | navreet | spo0nman, sure |
| 10:43.03 | navreet | spo0nman, navreet.gill@gmail.com |
| 10:43.45 | spo0nman | navreet: k |
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| 10:43.55 | sml | FlopsyPete: domainlist local_domains = localhost : melognome |
| 10:44.07 | sml | FlopsyPete: also add any others delimited by ':' |
| 10:44.50 | valdyn | FlopsyPete: I don't think it matters but whichever you use needs to show up in /etc/hosts |
| 10:44.52 | opqdonut | is there some way i can "reset" my debian install by uninstalling everything except the base system? |
| 10:45.16 | FlopsyPete | sml: thanks. is it a debian-installer bug that this hasn't been done for me, and if so worth reporting? |
| 10:45.43 | sml | opqdonut: why not just re-install ? you can bring your /home data and other partitions from your backup media. |
| 10:45.54 | opqdonut | sml: remote box |
| 10:46.22 | valdyn | FlopsyPete: not debian installer, but exim4's config script |
| 10:46.22 | sml | opqdonut: well you can always use dselect to mark everything apart from the base-system for removal |
| 10:46.28 | ricky_clarkson | opqdonut: Perhaps tasksel? |
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| 10:47.05 | FlopsyPete | valdyn: ok I'll report it |
| 10:47.08 | sml | or if you're using sarge perhaps someone can suggest a 3.1 "way" of doing this with is it aptitude ? |
| 10:47.24 | inc|freaky | !fgi this is just a test |
| 10:47.25 | dpkg | this: http://fuckinggoogleit.com/search?query=is just a test |
| 10:47.39 | inc|freaky | kewl :) |
| 10:47.40 | opqdonut | yep, i'm on sarge |
| 10:47.48 | valdyn | FlopsyPete: that localhost entry isnt essential, but unless you yourself specified the wrong names, its a bug yes |
| 10:47.51 | inc|freaky | id like to be on sarge my system accidently upgraded to sid |
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| 10:48.15 | valdyn | FlopsyPete: if you yourself did it, then its ( imo ) just not as userfriendly as it should be |
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| 10:48.32 | kalila_ | hmm quick, what's the gnuplot command to make the curve a line? (not dots) |
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| 10:48.43 | valdyn | FlopsyPete: well, try if that fixed your issue firs |
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| 10:49.37 | kalila_ | my datafile is a collection of dots |
| 10:49.51 | FlopsyPete | valdyn: ok |
| 10:50.03 | kalila_ | no gnuplot gurus ;_; |
| 10:50.10 | valdyn | FlopsyPete: i tried, you did specify the host |
| 10:50.21 | valdyn | FlopsyPete: was there a default value? |
| 10:50.43 | FlopsyPete | valdyn: a default value for what? |
| 10:51.17 | valdyn | FlopsyPete: run "dpkg-reconfigure exim4-config", you will see |
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| 10:51.25 | valdyn | FlopsyPete: thats what you see during install |
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| 10:52.34 | sml | kalila_: have you done man gnuplot ? |
| 10:53.01 | chino | why does `apt-get install php` not work ? |
| 10:53.17 | valdyn | chino: guess |
| 10:53.26 | chino | there is no php |
| 10:53.30 | nagual | hehe |
| 10:53.32 | drac | chino: php4 ? |
| 10:53.33 | sml | chino: try php3 |
| 10:53.34 | chino | i tried |
| 10:53.34 | sml | chino: try php4 |
| 10:53.36 | chino | php5 |
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| 10:53.47 | sml | slip of the finger there... |
| 10:53.52 | FlopsyPete | valdyn: it now gives the option 'Keep number of DNS queries minimal', could that be worth choosing? |
| 10:53.57 | drac | php5 is too unstable for debian unstable :P |
| 10:54.03 | navreet | yo spo0nman, no mail yet |
| 10:54.10 | chino | really ? |
| 10:54.18 | chino | php sucks anyway right lol |
| 10:54.31 | sml | php is great if you like being 0wned. |
| 10:54.39 | chino | lol what do yo u mean |
| 10:54.43 | valdyn | FlopsyPete: for your setup it should not matter since every dns-lookup should be solved by looking into /etc/hosts |
| 10:54.46 | R | hello, I'm trying to figure out CVS (I'm a total newbie on CVS... so RTFM answers are fine, just point which M, there just are too many to R the all). I've installed the packages and imported some existing code with cvs import -m ...., I installed WinCVS on a window$ machine, connected, edited, commited. Now the changes are in file,v in /var/lib/cvs/ but not in my original source, how do I... |
| 10:54.47 | R | ...get them there? |
| 10:55.12 | chino | sml: ? |
| 10:55.18 | sml | nothing really wrong with it its just people usually implement their php based sites very poorly and dont even bother to read the docs on apache.org that say not to install any interpretter to cgi-bin |
| 10:55.22 | sml | chino: ^^ |
| 10:55.37 | chino | lol |
| 10:55.45 | chino | why would you put php interpretter in cgi-bin ? |
| 10:55.53 | chino | its an apache mod |
| 10:55.58 | valdyn | FlopsyPete: so it cannot have a significant speed impact unless something is configured wrongly |
| 10:56.30 | jm_ | R: you check out the repository, work on it, and check-in stuff |
| 10:56.42 | FlopsyPete | valdyn: after running dpkg-reconfigure, am I supposed to see something different in /etc/exim4/update-exim4.conf.conf? |
| 10:56.43 | jm_ | R: /usr/share/doc/cvs has some useful docs |
| 10:56.58 | jm_ | or rather, you checkout modules |
| 10:56.59 | valdyn | FlopsyPete: yes, unless you edited that file manually |
| 10:57.00 | R | jm_: so I would need to first commit changes and then check them in |
| 10:57.09 | jm_ | R: no, commit=check-in |
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| 10:57.40 | FlopsyPete | valdyn: I didn't edit it. and dc_other_hostnames is the same as it was |
| 10:58.23 | R | jm_: I did commit, so now the file,v is modified, cvs created those ,v files after the cvs import from some source files in /usr/share... now I also want the update to commit in the /usr/share tree |
| 10:58.54 | jm_ | R: I don't understand your setup ;) |
| 10:58.57 | DrPete | whats the diff between nagios-text and nagios-mysql |
| 10:59.13 | jm_ | R: wait, you mean commit after import? |
| 10:59.50 | valdyn | FlopsyPete: I dont know, maybe exim4-config only changes /etc/exim4/exim4.conf.template |
| 11:00.06 | opqdonut | R: This is just a hunch, but you don't see the changes on the linux box until you update your src from the repo.. |
| 11:00.09 | R | jm_: ok.. I'll try to expain: I have sources in /usr/share I want CVS on, so installed the cvs packages, imported the sources (so it got in /var/lib/cvs) |
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| 11:00.26 | [|zNaTok_virTeks | who now Bretny Spears? |
| 11:00.53 | R | opqdonut: I do see the changes on the linux box, but only in the file,v and not in the file |
| 11:00.53 | opqdonut | R: cvs doesn't keep the original source dir in sync. you need to update in the source dir |
| 11:01.13 | opqdonut | atl east that is what i do with svn... |
| 11:01.15 | R | opqdonut: what the cvs command to sync that? |
| 11:01.23 | jm_ | R: the tutorial tells you to remove your original dir and checkout a working copy |
| 11:01.23 | opqdonut | svn update in svn |
| 11:01.33 | R | jm_: ok, thanks |
| 11:01.41 | opqdonut | probably cvs update or cvs co |
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| 11:01.53 | opqdonut | any thoughts on the resetting of my install? |
| 11:01.54 | jm_ | R: but yeah, cvs update to update working copy |
| 11:02.01 | R | I'll start reading again |
| 11:02.11 | chino | all i have to do is uncomment 2 lines and im fine ? |
| 11:02.15 | chino | in the apache conf |
| 11:02.16 | chino | for php |
| 11:02.16 | chino | ? |
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| 11:03.43 | bemusedgod | Ask a question, can linux not influence the normal execution of other process when CPU occupancy of a process is more than 99% like freebsd? |
| 11:04.01 | opqdonut | huh? like prioritize apps? |
| 11:04.07 | opqdonut | s/apps/processes/ |
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| 11:04.19 | bemusedgod | <PROTECTED> |
| 11:04.22 | valdyn | FlopsyPete: your entry for "visible mailname" is in /etc/mailname |
| 11:04.42 | valdyn | FlopsyPete: thats not an exim-specific config, thats for any mta i guess |
| 11:04.46 | FlopsyPete | valdyn: it says 'melognome' |
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| 11:05.12 | opqdonut | bemusedgod: you're not making sense |
| 11:05.36 | valdyn | FlopsyPete: and melognome is in /etc/hosts? Then its fine |
| 11:06.16 | FlopsyPete | valdyn: /ets/hosts has this: 127.0.0.1 localhost.localdomain localhost melognome |
| 11:06.43 | sellio | pls help me: how do i lock a console? |
| 11:07.22 | bemusedgod | opqdonut: thanks. btw, Does linux have this kind of characteristic? |
| 11:08.14 | opqdonut | bemusedgod: errr... linux does have process priorities and nice levels if that's what you mean... |
| 11:09.06 | valdyn | FlopsyPete: looks fine to me, ping it and you will see yourself |
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| 11:09.54 | bemusedgod | opqdonut:But in my experience, often because some process occupancy is very high and influencing other process, certainly. Have not operated I/O |
| 11:10.18 | opqdonut | sorry`? |
| 11:10.19 | FlopsyPete | valdyn: I can ping melognome ok. I guess everythings ok and it just takes a long time to do it on startup. but I shall check other machines that I see this problem on too |
| 11:11.01 | valdyn | FlopsyPete: no it shouldnt take long |
| 11:11.14 | valdyn | FlopsyPete: maybe its a different reason though.. |
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| 11:12.44 | FlopsyPete | valdyn: I'll go thru what you said but on a different machine that shows the problem, see if I come up with anything, and come back if I don't get anywhere. thanks for the help |
| 11:13.07 | valdyn | FlopsyPete: oh, wasnt this machine? i see |
| 11:13.46 | FlopsyPete | valdyn: no, it is this machine, but I see it on other machines I've setup |
| 11:15.44 | snail | On my debian box I have a fat partition which is currently checked at start up. I've tried making the partition a user mounted rather than mounted at boot time, but it's still checked at boot, and is adding ~ minute to my boot time. any suggestions as to how to check it either in the background or at mount rather than at boot? |
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| 11:16.44 | prock | snail: add noauto option to fstab? |
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| 11:17.58 | b33r | when gdm starts my screen is all messed up.. looks like it got chopped in 5 different places... is it probably the resolution? |
| 11:18.56 | petemc | snail: man fstab, look at the fs_passno options |
| 11:19.33 | raghu | how to restrict user ..so that he should not be able to navigate outside his home folder? |
| 11:19.56 | petemc | raghu: /msg dpkg ssh chroot |
| 11:19.57 | prock | sellio: apt-get install lockvc xscreensaver |
| 11:20.26 | sellio | thanx, prock |
| 11:20.40 | raghu | petemc : how to do that? |
| 11:21.02 | petemc | raghu: type what i said in your irc client |
| 11:21.06 | jm_ | snail: why are you checking it anyway? |
| 11:21.12 | snail | prock / petemc : thanks |
| 11:21.28 | snail | jm_ : it checks it by default on every boot |
| 11:21.58 | petemc | d imagine theres an errant number in the fs_passno field |
| 11:22.05 | jm_ | snail: you can disable that |
| 11:22.21 | jm_ | snail: set the last field to 0 |
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| 11:22.43 | snail | jm_: i understand that it needs checking, it just doesn't need to be on the critical path of booting |
| 11:22.46 | sellio | guys, pls tell me: is there any possibility to switch between more than six X displays on the same machine (functional keys are not enough, obviously)? |
| 11:23.03 | jm_ | snail: it definitely doesn't need checking every boot |
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| 11:24.13 | raghu | petemc: thanks dude |
| 11:24.37 | petemc | np holmes |
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| 11:24.59 | zahod | sellio, I think you can lower the numbers of gettys |
| 11:25.06 | prock | sellio: /msg dpkg screen |
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| 11:26.00 | jm_ | sellio: you can use alt-left/right for switching, see if this works with ctrl-alt-foo or use chvt |
| 11:26.02 | zahod | (in /etc/inittab) |
| 11:26.27 | raghu | petemc: it says difficult to do but it will not say how to? |
| 11:26.29 | jm_ | although I don't seee why you woul drun so many X sessions |
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| 11:26.41 | petemc | raghu: it gives a link to a guide, no? |
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| 11:27.13 | raghu | petemc: not guide one doc...but there it says difficult to do |
| 11:27.17 | sellio | thank you, zahod |
| 11:27.20 | yo | illooooooooooooo |
| 11:27.21 | sellio | thank you prock |
| 11:27.24 | yo | mariconaaaaaaaaaaa |
| 11:27.28 | sellio | thank you jm_ |
| 11:27.29 | sellio | :) |
| 11:27.40 | simonrvn | yo: #debian-es |
| 11:27.46 | petemc | raghu: right, no idea then, ive never done it, seems kind of pointless |
| 11:27.55 | prock | sellio: also, man chvt |
| 11:28.36 | yo | alguien abla español |
| 11:28.47 | simonrvn | yo: #debian-es |
| 11:28.52 | raghu | petemc: i agree ....but if you are giving ftp foldrs in you are server it makes sence i guess...any how thx |
| 11:28.53 | sellio | prock: thanx again |
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| 11:29.01 | snail | petemc: that looks like exactly what i wanted, thanks |
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| 11:29.24 | simonrvn | no habla español aqui, -> #debian-es |
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| 11:29.34 | yo | holaaaaaaaaaaaaaaa |
| 11:29.36 | simonrvn | (i hope i didn't mangle that..) |
| 11:29.41 | prock | !es |
| 11:29.41 | dpkg | Hispanohablantes: Por favor usen #debian-es, alli obtendran mas ayuda. Spanish Speakers: Please use #debian-es, there you will get much more help. |
| 11:29.51 | petemc | simonrvn: i dont think it matters much, rima tard |
| 11:30.07 | simonrvn | petemc: yeh, that internet cafe idjit |
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| 11:33.47 | EnterYourNickHer | umm ok |
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| 11:35.51 | Panzerboy | guys |
| 11:36.10 | Panzerboy | a message sent to a debian ml is sent also to the poster? |
| 11:36.19 | Panzerboy | or only to the other subscribers? |
| 11:36.25 | petemc | Panzerboy: depends |
| 11:36.37 | snail | Panzerboy: that's typically configurable in most mailing list systems |
| 11:36.47 | sellio | by the way, can i use xdm for more than one x display |
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| 11:37.28 | YourNickHere | don't want to flood this place while i am swaping nicks... |
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| 11:39.03 | boycer | sellio: I would have thought so - you can do it with gdm. Don't know for sure tho. |
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| 11:40.42 | Zvpun | I got a X.509 certificate for my web server (A). I now want to use it to create a certificate for email (B). How could a third person check that B is vallid? Are there X.509 keyservers or something similare? |
| 11:41.08 | Zvpun | A is signed by a root CA. |
| 11:42.28 | sellio | boycer: yes, gdm does that, but i was wondering whether xdm was doing it too |
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| 11:44.34 | birger | I get an email everyday from the system telling me to clean up files in lost+found. Can I safely delete all of them since the lost+found is not on the os-drive (I use it to store music only) |
| 11:45.14 | Zvpun | birger: sure, files in lost+found are not used. they were lost and are found :-) |
| 11:45.40 | birger | Zvpun: And since I know I am not looking for them, they can be deleted? |
| 11:45.43 | Panzerboy | petemc: i am asking because i've sent a mail to debian-kde ml |
| 11:45.54 | Panzerboy | petemc: and i didn't received it back |
| 11:46.05 | Panzerboy | so i actually don't know if it got to the list or not |
| 11:46.07 | Zvpun | BrianAnthony: yes. These files were found during a fsck run. |
| 11:46.12 | Zvpun | BrianAnthony: sorry |
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| 11:46.29 | petemc | Panzerboy: you didnt happen to notice the message headers? To: cc: |
| 11:46.32 | Zvpun | briger: yes. These files were found during a fsck run. |
| 11:46.58 | Panzerboy | petemc: the headers of the message i sent? |
| 11:46.59 | Zvpun | briger: something bad happend to them. This is part of error recovery |
| 11:47.09 | birger | Zvpun: thanks. Should I leave the directory itself, and only delete the files inside? |
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| 11:47.23 | Zvpun | briger: yes, leave the directory |
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| 11:47.31 | birger | Zvpun: thanks |
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| 11:48.29 | sellio | i run startx or xinit from a terminal. then i logout/exit from that terminal, but this kills the x server. please tell me: how do i avoid this? |
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| 11:48.41 | petemc | Panzerboy: yes, think about it for a second |
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| 11:48.54 | Zvpun | sellio: use a display manager: kdm, gdm, xdm |
| 11:48.58 | Panzerboy | petemc: the to: is the mailing list, there is no cc: |
| 11:49.16 | alfatau | hi, i installed debian onto my asus M6822NEBP notebook, and i have some problems: first i can't get the battery support, but i was able to solve it following instructions onto tuxmobil.org; second, when turning off the laptop, i'm obliged to keep pressed the power key. I get the message: Power down. acpi called off. what can i do, or to what is due this behaviour?? |
| 11:49.26 | Zvpun | sellio: maybe "screen" can help you too |
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| 11:49.35 | sellio | i mention that i also use "&", with the same effect |
| 11:49.36 | birger | Zvpun: It won't let me delete the files (as root). Operation not permitted. |
| 11:49.55 | petemc | Panzerboy: are you subscribed to the mailing list? |
| 11:49.56 | Zvpun | briger: become root |
| 11:50.09 | birger | Zvpun: not even as root |
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| 11:50.31 | Panzerboy | petemc: yes |
| 11:50.52 | Zvpun | briger: that seems very odd. what says ls -l |
| 11:50.54 | Panzerboy | petemc: i got the confirmation that i'm subscribed to it |
| 11:50.55 | petemc | Panzerboy: then i guess you should get a copy back at some stage |
| 11:51.33 | birger | Zvpun: d-wS-wSr-x 2 30503802 292260428 36864 2002-03-30 13:29 #19928229 |
| 11:51.40 | Panzerboy | is it appropiate to send test messages to debian ml's ? |
| 11:51.58 | jm_ | Panzerboy: no |
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| 11:52.27 | sellio | Zvpun: thanx, but i don't know how i should use "screen" |
| 11:52.48 | Zvpun | briger: actually "ls -dl /lost+found", since you have to have write permission to the DIRECTORY to delete a file in it (write permission to the file is neither needed nor necessary) |
| 11:52.57 | Zvpun | sellio: type: screen |
| 11:53.04 | Zvpun | sellio: type startx |
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| 11:53.26 | Poncha | !nickometer GiveMeANick |
| 11:53.26 | dpkg | 'GiveMeANick' is 99.830% lame, poncha |
| 11:53.37 | sellio | Zvpun: it seems i don't have "screen"; i have "screendump" instead (is it the same?) |
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| 11:53.52 | Zvpun | sellio: no, install screen. |
| 11:54.02 | sellio | ok, thanx, Zvpun |
| 11:54.08 | GiveMeANick | dpkg: I am going to kill you for that |
| 11:54.14 | Zvpun | sellio: detach the screen session with "CTRL-A d" and logout |
| 11:54.15 | GiveMeANick | i am not lame at alll |
| 11:54.16 | birger | Zvpun: I have 775 on lost+found/ |
| 11:54.21 | GiveMeANick | </joke> |
| 11:54.23 | GiveMeANick | brb |
| 11:54.49 | birger | Zvpun: I'll google for it. Thanks |
| 11:54.54 | Zvpun | briger: what says "mount" is it mounted readonly? |
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| 11:55.00 | sellio | thanx again, Zvpun |
| 11:55.06 | Zvpun | np |
| 11:56.28 | alfatau | hi, i installed debian onto my asus M6822NEBP notebook, and i have some problems: first i can't get the battery support, but i was able to solve it following instructions onto tuxmobil.org; second, when turning off the laptop, i'm obliged to keep pressed the power key. I get the message: Power down. acpi called off. what can i do, or to what is due this behaviour?? |
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| 11:56.35 | spk | hello |
| 11:56.46 | spk | have a big big big problem |
| 11:57.06 | RiV | Hi Big trouble with DWL650 on debian testing: iwconfig gives 44:44:44:44:44:44 as AP Address |
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| 11:57.18 | RiV | what would you check first? |
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| 11:57.52 | RiV | kismet gives: FATAL: Failed to set channel 6 22: Invalid Argument |
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| 11:59.18 | ricky_clarkson | spk's problem was obviously immediate and life-threatening. |
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| 12:01.07 | RiV | anyone? |
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| 12:01.55 | thomas_adam | ricky_clarkson: So where were we? Oh, Fvwm and session management... |
| 12:02.51 | ricky_clarkson | thomas_adam: Yeah. Why would your session manager have any binding to fvwm? |
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| 12:03.22 | thomas_adam | ricky_clarkson: It wouldn't per se -- that would just be the WM I'd use to test it. |
| 12:03.39 | ricky_clarkson | It should be ONE of the wms you use to test it. |
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| 12:03.56 | thomas_adam | Oh, I'm sorry Mr. Software Engineer. |
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| 12:04.24 | ricky_clarkson | thomas_adam: I'd like to be able to use your session manager without using fvwm. Possibly. |
| 12:04.46 | thomas_adam | ricky_clarkson: You poor fool. Anything I write ends up in /dev/null :P |
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| 12:05.02 | ricky_clarkson | thomas_adam: At least *try* to write something useful ;) |
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| 12:06.53 | thomas_adam | :) |
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| 12:08.51 | simonrvn | @test |
| 12:08.52 | ravenbird_ | Yes, simonrvn, you're still online. |
| 12:09.08 | thomas_adam | Just quiet. |
| 12:09.11 | thomas_adam | For once. |
| 12:09.31 | prock | so I wasn't the only one watching and waiting for someone to say something |
| 12:09.33 | simonrvn | i was wondering about here. asked a question in #perl, and it got quiet all at once |
| 12:10.46 | ricky_clarkson | Perl is the root of all eval. |
| 12:10.51 | ricky_clarkson | Perl is a bunch of $_@% |
| 12:10.51 | prock | nyuk |
| 12:10.59 | alfatau | hi, i installed linux onto my asus M6822NEBP notebook, and i have some problems: first i can't get the battery support, but i was able to solve it following instructions found on tuxmobil.org; second, when turning off the laptop, i'm obliged to keep pressed the power key. I get the message: Power down. acpi called off. what can i do, or to what is due this behaviour?? |
| 12:11.06 | simonrvn | nah, evals were in sh already ;p |
| 12:11.20 | ricky_clarkson | simonrvn: Yeah but it looks funny. |
| 12:11.32 | simonrvn | har har hardy har |
| 12:11.38 | simonrvn | ;) |
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| 12:12.05 | ricky_clarkson | Perl OO? Aw, bless(). |
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| 12:12.20 | prock | alfatau: mayhaps http://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=7998&page=1 would help you? |
| 12:12.23 | simonrvn | bless("be"); |
| 12:12.24 | RiV | Hi Big trouble with DWL650 on debian testing: iwconfig gives 44:44:44:44:44:44 as AP Address |
| 12:12.49 | prock | I don't have an iwconfig... |
| 12:13.01 | RiV | ? |
| 12:13.32 | ricky_clarkson | RiV: What's iwconfig? ifconfig mistyped? |
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| 12:14.13 | RiV | no, wireless extension to ifconfig. But now after reboot it works... forced the AP to use channel 11... |
| 12:14.19 | RiV | auto-magik |
| 12:14.41 | ircdevil | !food |
| 12:14.41 | dpkg | it has been said that food is "any substance that can be metabolized by an organism to give energy and build tissue," according to WordNet 2.0. Electricity for humans. |
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| 12:16.27 | prock | whee my son is awake |
| 12:16.51 | ricky_clarkson | prock: Unless he's been in a coma for years, that's hardly news. |
| 12:17.14 | alfatau | prock: thank you, perhaps it could help me. i'm tryiing to follow that instructions :) thanks again |
| 12:17.40 | prock | my son being awake is the most exciting thing that's happened for me in the last 12 hours |
| 12:18.00 | frood | except he's 32 |
| 12:18.57 | prock | 32/8 months. |
| 12:19.11 | ricky_clarkson | prock: http://tartarus.uwa.edu.au/~wedgey/slime1/ |
| 12:19.16 | raghu | when we access ftp folders through winscp ...it allos us to navigate through home and root...how to avoid this? |
| 12:19.28 | ricky_clarkson | raghu: chroot |
| 12:19.50 | ricky_clarkson | raghu: Or set your permissions better. |
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| 12:20.46 | raghu | ricky_clarkson: see i have permission to /home/cksftp as 755 |
| 12:21.07 | ricky_clarkson | raghu: Then everybody who can log in can see that. |
| 12:21.13 | harsha | hey anyone uses fetchmail over POP3/ssl? |
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| 12:21.54 | ricky_clarkson | harsha: I expect very few don't. |
| 12:22.02 | Cae2 | someone can detect if infolink/serverpronto.com is out? |
| 12:22.04 | Cae2 | please. |
| 12:22.31 | raghu | ricky_clarkson: if i give that 750 it will not allow me to change directory |
| 12:22.48 | ricky_clarkson | raghu: Is the user that is logging in cksftp? |
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| 12:23.19 | raghu | ricky_clarkson: yes |
| 12:23.21 | ricky_clarkson | raghu: What do you not want them to be able to read? |
| 12:23.46 | raghu | ricky_clarkson: just their home folder contents |
| 12:23.54 | Belping-- | does anyone know a good console irc client? bitchx gives me trouble |
| 12:23.57 | ricky_clarkson | You want them to not be able to read their home folder contents? |
| 12:23.59 | harsha | ricky_clarkson: i get a status 3 error |
| 12:24.02 | frood | IRCII |
| 12:24.07 | frood | been using it for years |
| 12:24.08 | ricky_clarkson | Belping--: irssi |
| 12:24.22 | Belping-- | :D i'll try them both thanks |
| 12:24.26 | Belping-- | are you using them now? |
| 12:24.31 | ricky_clarkson | I use irssi |
| 12:24.35 | harsha | ricky_clarkson: can I see your .fetchmailrc? |
| 12:24.44 | raghu | ricky_clarkson: they should have all permissions to only their hom folder |
| 12:24.45 | ricky_clarkson | harsha: No. I use webmail. |
| 12:24.52 | harsha | ricky_clarkson: Ok |
| 12:25.05 | raghu | ricky_clarkson: they should not navigate |
| 12:25.11 | ricky_clarkson | raghu: What was wrong with my answer of "man chmod" then? |
| 12:25.14 | Belping-- | ricky_clarkson: can it detach too? |
| 12:25.16 | ricky_clarkson | Or just "chmod" |
| 12:25.26 | ricky_clarkson | Belping--: How do you mean? |
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| 12:25.38 | ricky_clarkson | Sorry, not chmod, chroot, raghu. |
| 12:25.39 | raghu | ricky_clarkson: answer correct but going crazy... |
| 12:26.06 | Belping-- | ricky_clarkson: well, i use a ssh connection to connect to the irc client. but when i close it it closes the irc session too, causing the downloads to stop. |
| 12:26.08 | light_punch2 | is there a way to tell if my ram at bank 0 is running as pc2100 or pc2700? |
| 12:26.10 | raghu | ricky_clarkson: it has both group and user permission as cksftp |
| 12:26.11 | ricky_clarkson | Belping--: man screen |
| 12:26.17 | Belping-- | ricky_clarkson: ok thanks |
| 12:26.30 | Belping-- | ricky_clarkson: i'll give IRSSI a try then |
| 12:26.30 | frood | !karma |
| 12:26.30 | dpkg | frood has neutral karma |
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| 12:26.33 | ricky_clarkson | raghu: What does chroot do? |
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| 12:26.40 | ricky_clarkson | Belping--: Ok, the Debian package is irssi-text. |
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| 12:27.06 | ambycrao | what linux dist do you think the server has in competition ? http://www.linuxense.com/challenge/ |
| 12:27.23 | raghu | ricky_clarkson: sorry ..it will make that particular folder as its root folder |
| 12:27.37 | raghu | ricky_clarkson: how to implement it? |
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| 12:28.03 | Belping-- | ricky_clarkson: ok thanks, i installed it |
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| 12:28.49 | macween | /? |
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| 12:29.27 | ricky_clarkson | raghu: I'm not sure, but I think I'd make it something to do with the user's login shell. |
| 12:30.03 | raghu | ricky_clarkson: thx dude |
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| 12:31.14 | daani | how do i restart my samba? |
| 12:31.23 | daani | when i edited my conf |
| 12:32.38 | mirona | I tried to install Debian, but I can't run X, it keeps saying "no displays". Any ideeas? plz help |
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| 12:33.49 | Zvpun | mirona: boot Knoppix and copy the configuration |
| 12:34.10 | jm_ | mirona: /msg dpkg no screens found |
| 12:34.40 | mirona | how do I boot knoppix and copy the config. ? |
| 12:35.06 | Zvpun | mirona: you put the knoppix cd in the drive and restart the computer |
| 12:35.09 | mirona | I have knoppix, but how do I copy the config ? |
| 12:35.29 | Zvpun | cp -R /etc/ /mnt/hda?/root/knoppix-cfg |
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| 12:35.56 | mirona | that's it ? |
| 12:36.06 | Zvpun | lsmod > /mnt/hda?/root/knoppix-cfg/lsmod.txt |
| 12:36.16 | Zvpun | that should be it |
| 12:36.30 | Zvpun | then you compare the XF86Config-4 files |
| 12:36.34 | vladkao | hasn't it ana automated tool for that ? |
| 12:36.34 | Zvpun | and lsmod |
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| 12:37.04 | mirona | tnx |
| 12:37.12 | mirona | if this works... see you in linux :D |
| 12:37.23 | Zvpun | ? |
| 12:37.27 | Zvpun | in linux? |
| 12:38.28 | mirona | yeah since debian wouldn't work in X, and I'm not much of a linux user, I'm using windoze now ;) |
| 12:38.42 | ricky_clarkson | mirona: You can use IRC from a text console. |
| 12:38.44 | pro | hey guys, any one know how i can have a DSL line and a leased line on one debian box? the default gw must still be via the DSL? but if anyone goes to the dns on the leased line it must answer still? |
| 12:38.57 | Zvpun | mirona: did you try the new installer? |
| 12:39.05 | ricky_clarkson | Zvpun: Why would you need to boot Knoppix to copy a config file from the CD? Is it encrypted/compressed? |
| 12:39.27 | Zvpun | ricky_clarkson: the question was about no screens found. I suggested to use knoppix autoconfig |
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| 12:39.38 | ricky_clarkson | Zvpun: No screens found in Debian? |
| 12:39.45 | Zvpun | ricky_clarkson: X |
| 12:39.52 | ricky_clarkson | Zvpun: No screens found in X in Debian? |
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| 12:40.24 | ricky_clarkson | Zvpun: The answer is to look for error messages, then run dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xfree86 and correct the error. Knoppix is not Debian and the configs may differ. |
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| 12:40.53 | Zvpun | ricky_clarkson: There is no: THE answer. There is a multiple of answers and ways to go |
| 12:41.08 | ricky_clarkson | Zvpun: The above is the first answer though for Debian. |
| 12:41.25 | ricky_clarkson | Zvpun: When something goes wrong, look for error messages. That's pretty obvious. |
| 12:41.25 | Zvpun | ricky_clarkson: no. the above is just your opinion. |
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| 12:41.32 | pro | never mind |
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| 12:41.45 | ricky_clarkson | Zvpun: The above is standard procedure for Debian, not just my opinion. |
| 12:41.52 | Zvpun | ricky_clarkson: how would you justify that this would be the first answer? |
| 12:41.55 | ricky_clarkson | !no screens found |
| 12:41.55 | dpkg | no screens found is NOT a useful message - it means XFree86 has a problem SOMEWHERE with SOMETHING. Read your /var/log/XFree86.0.log more closely, and look for the REAL error, which probably begins with (EE) |
| 12:42.21 | Zvpun | ricky_clarkson: so? |
| 12:42.46 | Zvpun | ricky_clarkson: why is it so hard for you to accept that there is no THE, or THE FIRST answer? |
| 12:42.53 | Zvpun | eod |
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| 12:43.12 | ricky_clarkson | Zvpun: Because your answer is worse. It moves the person away from looking for the cause of the problem. |
| 12:43.14 | kevinz | I have both debianand MS-win on my PC and I have been using debian for quite long. However now the free space for debian is not enough, and i wonder if it is possible for me to switch space to debian, or may it be better for me to erase the debian partition and reinstall it? |
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| 12:43.54 | ricky_clarkson | Zvpun: It's like replying to "The network is down" with "reboot" (as the local admins here do). |
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| 12:44.47 | thesaboteur | THE FIRST rule of internet fighting is to never defend your answer, always attack what your opponent has said (similar to a video game, the guy blocking in corner always loses) :) |
| 12:44.53 | Belping-- | ricky_clarkson: every time i try to join xvid on irc.beer-powered.com, i get a user list of 2200+ users and a few seconds after that irssi automaticly disconnects |
| 12:44.56 | ricky_clarkson | Zvpun: http://www.linuks.mine.nu/debian-faq-wiki/ |
| 12:44.59 | Belping-- | bitchx did the same |
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| 12:45.10 | Zvpun | ricky_clarkson: I do agree that not looking at error-messages is bad. I dont agree on the reboot. |
| 12:45.13 | ricky_clarkson | Belping--: Any error messages? |
| 12:45.23 | Belping-- | ricky_clarkson: no, i didn't see any |
| 12:45.30 | ricky_clarkson | Belping--: #irssi |
| 12:45.58 | Zvpun | ricky_clarkson: what about the link? |
| 12:46.00 | ricky_clarkson | Belping--: Can you see the messages from the network status window in your IRSSI logs (~/irclogs I think). |
| 12:46.12 | inc|freaky | DarkIce: AlsaDspSource.cpp:171: can't set channels [1] <-- what can this be caused by? |
| 12:46.13 | ricky_clarkson | Zvpun: That's the #debian FAQ, with the standard answers. |
| 12:47.08 | Zvpun | ricky_clarkson: okay |
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| 12:47.18 | ricky_clarkson | Zvpun: My answer was better than yours, because it was more likely to work, but you got there first, so that's fine. Mislead all you like. |
| 12:47.27 | Belping-- | ricky_clarkson: i can't find the logs |
| 12:47.33 | Zvpun | ricky_clarkson: how would help dpkg-reconfigure in detecting the driver? |
| 12:47.35 | radiant | #surabaya |
| 12:47.36 | Belping-- | ricky_clarkson: i tried locate as well |
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| 12:47.56 | arturaz | can anyone explain me why on sid, when i dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xfree86, XF86Config-4 isn't changed? |
| 12:47.59 | Zvpun | ricky_clarkson: why would your answere be more helpful for him? |
| 12:48.09 | ricky_clarkson | arturaz: Because you edited it by hand or with another tool at some point. |
| 12:48.14 | virgomoon | Where should I put a startup script to add a default gateway? I'm really not used to this Debian init setup. |
| 12:48.17 | arturaz | ricky_clarkson, and if i removed it? |
| 12:48.26 | ricky_clarkson | arturaz: Dunno. There's a comment about it in the file iirc. |
| 12:48.33 | arturaz | kagy, thx |
| 12:48.34 | ricky_clarkson | Zvpun: You would look at the error message first then diagnose what to do. |
| 12:48.35 | arturaz | :) |
| 12:48.36 | arturaz | oops |
| 12:48.36 | directhex | !tell arturaz about x md5sum |
| 12:48.39 | arturaz | ricky_clarkson, thanks |
| 12:48.44 | Zvpun | ricky_clarkson: dude |
| 12:48.47 | petemc | virgomoon: you need a script? use the gateway part of /etc/network/interfaces |
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| 12:49.15 | Zvpun | ricky_clarkson: Why would your answer be better than any other, based on what? |
| 12:49.19 | virgomoon | petemc: I wasn't sure how the networks were setup in Linux. I'm used to FreeBSD setup. I'll check it out. |
| 12:49.28 | petemc | virgomoon: man 5 interfaces |
| 12:49.37 | Zvpun | ricky_clarkson: define the level of experience on the user who needs the help |
| 12:49.42 | Zvpun | ricky_clarkson: define your scale |
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| 12:49.46 | ricky_clarkson | Zvpun: No. |
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| 12:49.52 | Zvpun | ricky_clarkson: Or just accept that there is more than YOUR way |
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| 12:50.13 | Zvpun | ricky_clarkson: besides your way doesnt tell him anything about which driver to use |
| 12:50.17 | ricky_clarkson | Zvpun: Based on the fact that it works for other people, and that people more experienced than me recommend it, and that it doesn't rely on any non-Debian tools. |
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| 12:50.35 | virgomoon | petemc: I looked in /etc/network/interfaces and there's already a line for the gateway, but every time I boot, I still have to enter route add default dw x.x.x.x |
| 12:50.56 | Belping-- | ricky_clarkson: can you join the channel with irssi? |
| 12:50.58 | ricky_clarkson | Zvpun: no screens found doesn't necessarily mean the driver is wrong afaik. |
| 12:50.58 | Zvpun | ricky_clarkson: dpkg-reconfigure does NOT work if you dont know your driver |
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| 12:51.06 | ricky_clarkson | Belping--: Port 6667 is blocked here. |
| 12:51.11 | Zvpun | ricky_clarkson: okay, but is very likely |
| 12:51.26 | Belping-- | ricky_clarkson: oh ic thanks |
| 12:51.33 | ricky_clarkson | Zvpun: 1. Diagnose the problem. 2. Solve it. Booting Knoppix avoids (1). |
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| 12:53.09 | Belping-- | ricky_clarkson: is it possible to let irssi not show all the users when connecting to a channel? |
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| 12:53.15 | ricky_clarkson | Belping--: #irssi |
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| 12:53.43 | Space_NL | oke .. so i installed linux .. X, enlightenment .. Xchat .. BitchX .. but what should i install for browsing (being a native IE user .. grin) |
| 12:53.58 | Belping-- | ricky_clarkson: okido thanks |
| 12:54.09 | ricky_clarkson | Space_NL: mozilla-firefox probably. |
| 12:55.06 | Space_NL | okies ta |
| 12:55.37 | directhex | Space_NL, wine, and msie, of course! |
| 12:56.26 | virgomoon | I'm having trouble getting my network to come up on startup. Everything works great, but I have to type route add default gw x.x.x.x on startup or I can't get out. I already have a gateway x.x.x.x line in /etc/network/interfaces. Any thoughts? |
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| 12:56.39 | Space_NL | directhex: theres a point .. but i do think that its not oke to keep using M$ stuff on a linux machine .. i aint installing MacOS on my ibm either am i ? :-) |
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| 12:57.17 | ricky_clarkson | !qotd0 |
| 12:57.17 | dpkg | <racoontje> p_each, I don't use debian often but I have used debian on fedora core 2 |
| 12:57.18 | prock | virgomoon: can you paste your /etc/network/interfaces in #flood? |
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| 12:57.42 | virgomoon | prock: How do I do that? |
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| 12:58.06 | prock | virgomoon: /join #flood and then paste the contents of /etc/network/interfaces there |
| 12:58.08 | light_punch2 | anyone had a celeron-d working on a 400fsb? |
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| 12:58.44 | rend | I had someone tell me yesterday they thought linux sucked because it uses a shell for everything :) |
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| 12:59.35 | rend | I said there is a gui for everything and they tried to say that the gui is just an interface to the shell... |
| 12:59.38 | light_punch2 | rend, the web sucks cause i have to use the mouse |
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| 13:00.45 | s3itz | light_punch2, enable find as you type on mozilla |
| 13:00.50 | directhex | rend, i play unreal tournament on the command line. don't you? |
| 13:00.55 | s3itz | and learn shortcut keys |
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| 13:01.14 | Space_NL | does anyone know the package name for firefox ? (as i cant seem to find it .. ?) |
| 13:01.21 | directhex | Space_NL, mozilla-firefox? |
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| 13:01.39 | Space_NL | E: Couldn't find package mozilla-firefox |
| 13:01.52 | directhex | Space_NL, you're using woody? |
| 13:01.56 | Space_NL | woody, yes |
| 13:02.00 | vladkao | Space_NL: /msg dpkg search |
| 13:02.08 | directhex | !tell Space_NL about woody desktop |
| 13:02.08 | prock | virgomoon: what is the route add cmd that you do? |
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| 13:02.14 | ravenbird | ROOT has landed! |
| 13:02.25 | directhex | Space_NL, nothing after mid 2002 in woody. |
| 13:02.28 | light_punch2 | s3itz, netscape get to enable find too or what? mozilla doesn't work here. |
| 13:02.40 | Space_NL | but, sarge is like testing ? |
| 13:02.49 | s3itz | *shrug* Netscape is based largely on Mozilla, so I'm sure it does |
| 13:02.56 | Space_NL | *last server i installed was 1999 .. also debian . but still) |
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| 13:03.21 | directhex | Space_NL, sarge IS testing. but bear in mind debian's Unstable is far more stable tyhan most other "release" distributions *cough*fedora*cough* |
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| 13:03.48 | light_punch2 | s3itz, nah... mozilla is based on netscape |
| 13:03.52 | Space_NL | oke .. could anyone convince dpkg to tell me how to dist-upgrade to sarge ? |
| 13:04.04 | s3itz | light_punch2, not today |
| 13:04.10 | directhex | !tell Space_NL about woody->sarge |
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| 13:04.21 | Space_NL | thnx directhex |
| 13:04.57 | directhex | light_punch2, it comes full circle. netscape 6+ are mostly just rebadged mozillas. |
| 13:05.02 | Space_NL | directhex: and after installing i can go back to using apt ? |
| 13:05.06 | Space_NL | apt-get i mean |
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| 13:05.19 | directhex | Space_NL, if you want to. personally i prefer aptitude |
| 13:05.19 | rend | directhex: I dont play games. But for 3 years I did most of my web design from the command line :) |
| 13:06.00 | Space_NL | directhex: okies, thnx |
| 13:06.22 | light_punch2 | hm.. i am on netscape 7.x directhex |
| 13:06.26 | Gumby | is it possible to rebuild a single kernel module? |
| 13:06.40 | directhex | light_punch2, which is just moz. |
| 13:07.27 | s3itz | Moz back in the day was based on netscape, but over the years, it has become its own thing. Netscape is just, as he said, Moz rebadged. |
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| 13:07.50 | s3itz | At most they disable or add a few features, change a few things around to prepare it for production environments and desktop |
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| 13:09.44 | light_punch2 | directhex, i only can launch mozilla as root for some reason. something about the 'registering cal' error. |
| 13:09.56 | light_punch2 | and it hangs |
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| 13:10.05 | directhex | light_punch2, rm -r your ~/.mozilla |
| 13:10.14 | chrysopa | Hi, my openoffice is a turtle when the network is up and a rabbit when the network is down. Why? |
| 13:10.21 | prock | light_punch2: back it up first though |
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| 13:10.40 | light_punch2 | i even did a adduser and fresh everything |
| 13:10.47 | chrysopa | The network is OK. I dont understand the problem. |
| 13:10.47 | m4lu6 | So. I have a P3 500 with a 10G HD. I want to turn it into a "tivo" like device w/MythTV. I don't much care for installing another debian box (it is my favorite distro, but i want to try another), my question: |
| 13:10.59 | m4lu6 | Which is the 2nd best linux distro out there? |
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| 13:11.02 | chrysopa | Anybody can help-me |
| 13:11.20 | prock | light_punch2: purge and reinstall mozilla and/or mozilla calendar..? |
| 13:11.29 | frood | m4lu6: all others suck |
| 13:11.44 | s3itz | m4lu6, best? o_O |
| 13:11.45 | s3itz | hehe |
| 13:11.45 | m4lu6 | frood, come now. play nice. |
| 13:11.50 | s3itz | I'd say upgrade your processor and ram |
| 13:11.54 | m4lu6 | nah |
| 13:11.58 | s3itz | 500MHz won't make a good tivo |
| 13:12.01 | m4lu6 | it's a spare box. |
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| 13:12.06 | m4lu6 | it'll do. |
| 13:12.09 | frood | seriously |
| 13:12.10 | directhex | 500mhz will work as a mythfrontend |
| 13:12.16 | ricky_clarkson | m4lu6: sid |
| 13:12.21 | frood | heh |
| 13:12.22 | virgomoon | prock: you kick ass. It worked. I'm gettin' out of here. Thanks for the help. |
| 13:12.24 | frood | :) |
| 13:12.25 | directhex | or a backend if you have an mpeg2 encoder card such as a hauppauge pvrxxx |
| 13:12.26 | light_punch2 | prock, i'll just stay with netscape for a while, it's pretty fast on this old machine. |
| 13:12.27 | prock | np, l8r |
| 13:12.34 | m4lu6 | ricky_clarkson, no. i said "2nd best" linux distro, non-debian |
| 13:12.49 | frood | if i *had* to choose |
| 13:12.50 | directhex | but it will NOT work as an encoder for software encodes |
| 13:12.53 | frood | it'd be slackware |
| 13:13.03 | m4lu6 | {sigh} |
| 13:13.16 | s3itz | Pinnacle devices are supposed to be nice |
| 13:13.24 | prock | frood: you do have to choose, so pick slackware |
| 13:13.28 | m4lu6 | i already run 2 TV wonder VE's in this box, a P3 500x2, i'm most familiar with linux, encoding, tv, etc etc. |
| 13:13.29 | frood | but that sucks too to be honest |
| 13:13.38 | s3itz | eww tv wonder's too? |
| 13:13.47 | Upayavir1 | Hi all. I'm getting "tar: A lone zero block at XXXXX" whenever I try to untar something. Different XXXXX for each tar file. Any ideas anyone? |
| 13:13.48 | s3itz | I hope you like watching ugly low-frame TV :) |
| 13:13.52 | m4lu6 | i don't want hardware recommendations, i want a recommendation on Which Linux Distro to Use |
| 13:13.58 | prock | m4lu6: Debian |
| 13:14.02 | s3itz | you're in #debian |
| 13:14.05 | directhex | m4lu6, what the fuck do you expect peopel to recommend in #debian? |
| 13:14.08 | chrysopa | Hi, my openoffice is a turtle when the network is up and a rabbit when the network is down. Why? |
| 13:14.08 | s3itz | what do you think is going to be said? |
| 13:14.11 | chrysopa | The network is OK. I dont understand the problem. |
| 13:14.12 | m4lu6 | Oh, fine. |
| 13:14.13 | chrysopa | Anybody can help-me |
| 13:14.23 | ricky_clarkson | m4lu6: What reason do you want to use another distro? |
| 13:14.27 | s3itz | anyway, I'm just trying to help you out |
| 13:14.40 | m4lu6 | because i've been using debian since 1996, and haven't tried anything since. |
| 13:14.45 | frood | you'll only get annoyed with any other distro m4lu6 |
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| 13:14.52 | ricky_clarkson | m4lu6: Why do you want to try something else? |
| 13:14.56 | m4lu6 | because i've been using debian since 1996, and haven't tried anything since. |
| 13:15.14 | ricky_clarkson | m4lu6: Fun, employability, some particular features missing, education, or what? |
| 13:15.15 | prock | m4lu6: everything else sucks compared to debian... don't waste your time |
| 13:15.15 | s3itz | I'd recomend gentoo, but it'd take your box forever to get it going w/o a stage 3 installation |
| 13:15.22 | m4lu6 | i want to *try* another distro out, if, for no other reason, that it's Not what i'm familiiar with. |
| 13:15.27 | m4lu6 | AH. Gentoo. Thank you. |
| 13:15.35 | frood | Gentoo sucks too |
| 13:15.44 | frood | what about a nice BSD |
| 13:15.48 | frood | NetBSD is good |
| 13:15.48 | prock | m4lu6: try bsd and then you'll learn why debian is so good |
| 13:16.06 | frood | heh |
| 13:16.08 | s3itz | heh... |
| 13:16.08 | m4lu6 | thank you, no. |
| 13:16.11 | prock | m4lu6: hurd :) |
| 13:16.12 | ricky_clarkson | I'd probably try BSD just so I can add another kernel to my CV (resume) ;) |
| 13:16.18 | frood | hurd - lol |
| 13:16.19 | m4lu6 | i run bsd on my old mac IICI |
| 13:16.23 | m4lu6 | sloooow ;) |
| 13:16.29 | prock | I run hurd for a while |
| 13:16.36 | frood | is it finished yet? |
| 13:16.39 | prock | lol |
| 13:16.40 | directhex | hurd with an l4 kernel |
| 13:16.44 | frood | i've been waiting for 10 years |
| 13:16.52 | s3itz | ricky_clarkson, hey is it possible for me to add XBox kernels... I've messed w/ those before :P |
| 13:17.10 | prock | frood: I'm not even sure if they fixed the 'don't press any key during the boot process or you kernel panic' bug yet. :) |
| 13:17.17 | s3itz | I can tell ya how... that way you can be like "I'm good w/ FATX" |
| 13:17.26 | s3itz | "And no, that ain't a drug" |
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| 13:17.50 | frood | for me linux was a to-use-until-hurd-is-finished kernel |
| 13:17.57 | frood | guess i'll stick with linux now |
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| 13:18.10 | m4lu6 | damn. next choice to make is Myth or freevo. hmmmm. |
| 13:18.13 | s3itz | hey you can browse the net on Hurd now |
| 13:18.16 | s3itz | that's impressive... |
| 13:18.22 | frood | oOo |
| 13:18.25 | frood | innovative |
| 13:18.28 | prock | frood: linux is become less monolithic anyway |
| 13:18.54 | directhex | m4lu6, freevo isn't remotely as featured as mythtv, but is much easier to set up |
| 13:18.55 | s3itz | It's still not written in C++ tho... |
| 13:18.56 | ricky_clarkson | Linux is getting the eXtreme Programming attack. Refactor mercilessly. |
| 13:19.00 | s3itz | what can Linux say about that? |
| 13:19.06 | ricky_clarkson | s3itz: C++ is overly complex. |
| 13:19.16 | prock | pooh on C++ |
| 13:19.17 | m4lu6 | directhex, it's all about "ease", for now. |
| 13:19.34 | m4lu6 | not really interested that putting more than an hour into this process |
| 13:19.42 | s3itz | ah I'd agree. Sucks you failed to see the sarcasm. |
| 13:19.45 | prock | m4lu6: winxp |
| 13:19.46 | directhex | m4lu6, bu 'not as fully featured' i mean 'can't do 2 things at once, like watch & record' |
| 13:19.50 | frood | that'll be a 24th of your gentoo install |
| 13:19.51 | m4lu6 | prock, not a f**king chance. |
| 13:19.52 | ricky_clarkson | m4lu6: Gentoo takes 3 days to install. |
| 13:20.04 | Space_NL | mb* |
| 13:20.05 | prock | I installed debian in an hour this morning |
| 13:20.07 | m4lu6 | i have zero hardware w/microsoft products, and i don't plan on starting now |
| 13:20.10 | harsha | is the fetchmail available in the debian repository compiled with the ssl option? |
| 13:20.12 | s3itz | 3 days on what hardware? heh |
| 13:20.19 | s3itz | You need some new hardware :) |
| 13:20.28 | bltzfsck | say at least at the end of three days, you have something that doesn't work |
| 13:20.35 | ricky_clarkson | How to install Gentoo: http://bash.org/?464385 |
| 13:20.39 | frood | i only use Gentoo on my SGI. |
| 13:20.44 | simonrvn | @test2 |
| 13:20.45 | ravenbird | No I'm not online anymore |
| 13:20.49 | frood | ionly cos debian isn't for it yet |
| 13:21.05 | ricky_clarkson | !crapfuck ravenbird |
| 13:21.10 | s3itz | 'stage3' is for those systems that can't handle compiling large packages |
| 13:21.50 | ricky_clarkson | The differences between Gentoo and Debian seem largely political really. |
| 13:22.04 | ricky_clarkson | I mean, Gentoo provides binary repositories (the GRP), and Debian provides source. |
| 13:22.30 | simonrvn | philosophical too |
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| 13:22.55 | ricky_clarkson | Gentoo provides easier ways to manage source than Debian, Debian provides easier ways to manage binary. |
| 13:23.26 | s3itz | *shrug* I'm really happy w/ Gentoo on the box I installed it. My first attempt ended fine... |
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| 13:23.42 | s3itz | Granted my slowest machine is a AMD643000+ |
| 13:23.43 | s3itz | :) |
| 13:24.32 | morgajelWork | suppose I pooched my exim config filed and wanted to reinstall them from scratch. should be as simple as apt-get install --reinstall <packages>, correct? |
| 13:24.56 | ricky_clarkson | I don't really care, I just want to get the Amiga version of OctaMED SoundStudio working in UAE on Linux. |
| 13:25.10 | s3itz | hehe |
| 13:25.16 | simonrvn | no. dpkg -i --force-confmiss /var/cache/apt/archives/file.deb |
| 13:25.26 | morgajelWork | ah, gotcha |
| 13:25.33 | yazid_work | ok, i have an i865 based x86 machine that runs fine with a 2.6.11 kernel ... until i compile in highmem (non PAE) support - machine reaches the speed of a damn 386 then. any ideas what happened? |
| 13:25.38 | ricky_clarkson | I can only get UAE to work on Windows, which is daft, because UAE means Unix Amiga Emulator. |
| 13:25.39 | PerfDave | morgajelWork: Or just "dpkg-reconfigure exim4-config" on Sarge, or "/sbin/eximconfig" on Woody? |
| 13:25.56 | morgajelWork | PerfDave: dpkg-reconfigure didn't seem to work either. |
| 13:26.05 | prock | what is i865? |
| 13:26.16 | yazid_work | prock: modern intel chipset |
| 13:26.35 | caphuso | canon printer |
| 13:26.50 | yazid_work | caphuso not the printer ;) |
| 13:26.51 | bltzfsck | yazid, how much memory do you actually have? |
| 13:27.06 | caphuso | yazid_work: how do you know? |
| 13:27.07 | prock | caphuso: that's what "I'm feeling lucky" told me, too |
| 13:27.11 | yazid_work | bltzfsck: 2G minus a few megs framebuffer (server without X) |
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| 13:27.14 | nevyn | umm reading should be faster than writing to disk right? |
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| 13:27.32 | s3itz | that's gotta be a cool hack... "Install Linux on Canon printer!" |
| 13:27.35 | bltzfsck | i thought high mem was only if you had 4 megs or more |
| 13:27.51 | s3itz | but how do you get the mouse and stuff going? I can imagine a lot of cutting and soldering is happening |
| 13:28.00 | ricky_clarkson | High mem is all the memory above 640k, in DOS/Win31 terminology. |
| 13:28.10 | ricky_clarkson | s/31/16/ |
| 13:28.12 | nevyn | or am I completely unfamiliar with the operation of hardware? |
| 13:28.14 | bltzfsck | yeah, but not in the linux kernel |
| 13:28.14 | yazid_work | bltzfsck: not quite. a standard 3/1 split kernel only uses 1 Gig |
| 13:28.43 | s3itz | prock, I'm just looking forward to the game. |
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| 13:29.03 | prock | s3itz: you mean the playstation? |
| 13:29.10 | TinoW | ricky_clarkson: extended and expanded mem? ;) |
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| 13:29.25 | pngwn | `/c |
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| 13:29.50 | simonrvn | what's this expanded and extended RAM crap ? ;p |
| 13:29.58 | s3itz | what else, man, what else? |
| 13:30.07 | prock | simonrvn: MSDOS, methinks |
| 13:30.19 | simonrvn | msdos what? |
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| 13:30.37 | prock | simonrvn: the extended RAM reminds me of msdos |
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| 13:30.57 | directhex | there's conventional, highmem, xms and ems |
| 13:31.06 | ricky_clarkson | simonrvn: Ph34r that nonresponsive explorer.exe |
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| 13:31.33 | simonrvn | explorer.exe? wtf are you talking about? |
| 13:31.34 | ricky_clarkson | simonrvn: Do you synchronise ravenbird's factoids with dpkg's? |
| 13:31.56 | simonrvn | ricky_clarkson: do you synchronise with your parents? |
| 13:32.01 | ricky_clarkson | Only at Christmas. |
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| 13:32.24 | mejo | hello |
| 13:32.33 | simonrvn | directhex: yes i know, and i couldn't give a shit about it |
| 13:32.36 | nevyn | bltzfsck: was that at me? |
| 13:32.41 | luctor | I tried to play dvd with totem but it says im missing plugin |
| 13:32.49 | luctor | what do I meed |
| 13:32.53 | mejo | are there any tools to undelete files on an ext3 filessystem? |
| 13:33.04 | ricky_clarkson | Did we join #onlywhatsimonrvnwantstodiscuss again by accident? |
| 13:33.04 | asg | mejo: restore from backups |
| 13:33.05 | ricky_clarkson | Damn. |
| 13:33.09 | mejo | i've deleted my whole home directory. |
| 13:33.14 | mejo | asg: thanks, and without any? |
| 13:33.23 | ricky_clarkson | mejo: That's nothing. I deleted everybody else's once. |
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| 13:33.24 | stew | mejo: without any you are a fool |
| 13:33.26 | directhex | luctor, libdvdcss2. if you're not american, /msg dpkg marillat for a source to get it from. if you are, then tough |
| 13:33.26 | prock | luctor: write your congressman and tell them to repeal rediculous patent laws |
| 13:33.43 | stew | mejo: maybe; /msg dpkg undelete |
| 13:33.48 | stego | Is anyone seeing an increase in HTTPS (443) scans recently? |
| 13:33.54 | simonrvn | ricky_clarkson: no, just that i think the hacks that x86 has for memory management is stone-aged tech |
| 13:33.58 | directhex | luctor, well. you could bin debian, and install linspire or turbolinux, both of which have the option of cyberlik powerdvdlinux |
| 13:33.59 | asg | mejo: I always look at such cases as an opportunity to have a clean, fresh start. |
| 13:34.01 | luctor | prock: Im fortunate enoug not to be an american citizen on that matter :-) |
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| 13:34.25 | ricky_clarkson | simonrvn: Pythagoras is pretty damn old, let's scrap it. |
| 13:34.27 | sellio | please tell me: how do i start something on a specified desktop in icewm? |
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| 13:34.38 | luctor | directhex: :-) hmm strange |
| 13:34.40 | petemc | luctor: if you're european its just as bad |
| 13:34.48 | mejo | asg: thanks, i know that kind of idea, but currently i hate it. |
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| 13:34.58 | yazid_work | simonrvm: what about 1/3G vs 2/2G address space is an old hack? |
| 13:34.59 | simonrvn | ricky_clarkson: i amend that, useless stone-age tech. plenty of old stuff is usable :) |
| 13:34.59 | luctor | petemc: I know |
| 13:35.02 | nevyn | ricky_clarkson: yes let's and while we're at it let's make Pi exactly 3 |
| 13:35.11 | directhex | luctor, for the next couple of weeks, you can go download libdvdcss2 in europe |
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| 13:35.27 | asg | mejo: it may be possible to recover some data with debugfs but it isn't an easy to use tool and, if not used correctly, can cause more destruction. |
| 13:35.54 | caphuso | using debugfs to undelete stuff doesn't work with ext3 |
| 13:36.00 | luctor | directhex: then its stopps ? |
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| 13:36.06 | asg | caphuso: even if you quickly remount it as ext2? |
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| 13:36.16 | caphuso | asg: duh |
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| 13:36.23 | yazid_work | directhex: does marillats repo actually keep americans from getting his stuff (by GeoIP or whatever)? |
| 13:36.24 | caphuso | asg: you'd still have deleted the files in the ext3 way |
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| 13:36.30 | directhex | luctor, by then software patents should be EU law |
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| 13:36.34 | asg | caphuso: of course. |
| 13:36.44 | shadebob | hi, I have a PC with a Debian sarge. I want to install a PCI sound card... I don't known how to start with installation... Someone can help me. |
| 13:36.53 | directhex | yazid_work, no, but the FBI will knock down your door & send you to guantanamo bay if you try to install decss |
| 13:36.56 | asg | shadebob: /msg dpkg audio |
| 13:37.02 | directhex | shadebob, plug it in!!!!!! |
| 13:37.21 | caphuso | asg: so you'd still have zeroed out the necessary information (unlike ext2, which simply marks the stuff "unused") |
| 13:37.24 | yazid_work | directhex: not mine since i am in europe ;) |
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| 13:37.29 | nevyn | shadebob: plug it in |
| 13:37.34 | asg | caphuso: right |
| 13:37.39 | nevyn | shadebob: install discover ... |
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| 13:37.45 | khanman | shadebob: make sure youre grounded |
| 13:37.48 | directhex | yazid_work, wait for software patents to become law. |
| 13:37.49 | nevyn | shadebob: done. |
| 13:37.54 | asg | caphuso: I was misinformed ;) |
| 13:37.55 | chrysopa | is possible to make a debug of oowriter to test the problem with eth0? |
| 13:37.57 | luctor | directhex: so backup is a fine thing. I heard is was going bad, but didnt realise it was soon |
| 13:37.59 | khanman | you dont wanna damage the card or your system |
| 13:38.13 | nevyn | khanman: and wearing gloves so as not to leave oily residue on the card |
| 13:38.23 | shadebob | thanks all.... and a last hardware question... can I plug a "classic" PCI card on a PCI-X slot? |
| 13:38.26 | khanman | nevyn, joke? |
| 13:38.33 | luctor | directhex: I mean so soon |
| 13:39.05 | khanman | nevyn, only time i wear gloves is when im wanking |
| 13:39.14 | nevyn | khanman: industry best practice but just as much a joke as grounding wrist straps and shit. |
| 13:39.15 | simonrvn | TMI |
| 13:39.38 | nevyn | touching the case is plenty of grounding really. |
| 13:39.41 | khanman | nevyn, i didnt say wrist strap did i? i just wanted to make sure he touched the case |
| 13:39.53 | khanman | just trying to be helpful..dont be a dumb4ss |
| 13:40.06 | morgajelWork | anyone know ofhand where exim spits errormessages/logs to? I woulda thought /var/log/mail.* or at least /var/log/syslog, but nothing appears to be showing up. |
| 13:40.14 | morgajelWork | sorry, exim4 |
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| 13:40.22 | petemc | morgajelWork: /var/log/exim4/mainlog rejectlog |
| 13:40.23 | nevyn | khanman: I'm not really. it is as I said industry best practice according to A+ and stuff. |
| 13:40.24 | caphuso | morgajelWork: /var/log/exim4/ |
| 13:40.28 | morgajelWork | aah |
| 13:40.29 | simonrvn | don't use ls often, do you? |
| 13:40.37 | caphuso | morgajelWork: feel free to feel embarrassed |
| 13:40.39 | treestone | morgajelWork: ls -lrt /var/log is your friend. |
| 13:40.45 | khanman | yeah im A+,net+ and have built a few systems in my time :) |
| 13:40.46 | morgajelWork | didn't see it |
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| 13:41.45 | mejo | where do i find "undelete files" in mc? |
| 13:42.05 | morgajelWork | crap... wasn't in there either. |
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| 13:42.38 | Pappa_ | anyone ever used linux-wlan-ng ? |
| 13:42.45 | diab0l | good morning |
| 13:42.51 | Zvpun | i am looking for a channel about openssl, X.509, ... where would I find a IRC channel list? How do you know about IRC channels? |
| 13:42.52 | diab0l | i bet someone used it at some time |
| 13:43.10 | diab0l | mejo: in the menu |
| 13:43.13 | insanekane | Zvpun: /list |
| 13:43.35 | Zvpun | insanekane: and how to handle the millions of lines returned? |
| 13:43.43 | diab0l | mejo: Command -> Undelete files (ext2fs only) |
| 13:43.48 | insanekane | Zvpun: you only asked for the list dude |
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| 13:44.05 | petemc | insanekane: no, he asked how to find channels |
| 13:44.08 | insanekane | Zvpun: well, you could import it into an RDBMS and use SQL Queries or whatever .. |
| 13:44.10 | diab0l | in irssi you can pipe them into a file i think |
| 13:44.13 | stew | Zvpun: also maybe something like /msg chanserv list *ssl* |
| 13:44.14 | mejo | diab0l: it doesn't work here (it's an ext3 fs) |
| 13:44.25 | insanekane | petemc: a channel list would be a good place to start ;) |
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| 13:44.32 | diab0l | mejo: then you obviously need another tool |
| 13:44.40 | mejo | diab0l: i don't find any. |
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| 13:45.05 | diab0l | mejo: then you're screwed i guess |
| 13:45.29 | davis | I have a problem with my laptop hard disk. |
| 13:45.39 | davis | i was getting lots of interrupt messages. Looked like I was getting disk failure. |
| 13:45.40 | caphuso | mejo: again, you can't undelete files on ext3 |
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| 13:45.48 | davis | then, I reset bios pci settings to default. |
| 13:45.56 | davis | that worked ok for a few days. but now i am getting the errors again. |
| 13:46.04 | diab0l | caphuso: huh? why not? |
| 13:46.04 | caphuso | mejo: (at least not using the easy way) |
| 13:46.07 | davis | <PROTECTED> |
| 13:46.13 | caphuso | diab0l: because it doesn't work. that's why |
| 13:46.19 | davis | do you think my disk is failing? |
| 13:46.20 | diab0l | ... |
| 13:46.24 | asg | davis: sounds like it |
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| 13:46.33 | directhex | davis, what does it look like to you? |
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| 13:46.40 | directhex | davis, could be the disk controller |
| 13:46.48 | caphuso | hell, that has been stated and discussed over and over and over in the last few years |
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| 13:47.29 | davis | i think it is failing, but since dorking with the pci bios settings made it better for a bit, i thought maybe it was a software problem. |
| 13:47.37 | diab0l | as i dont have experience with ext3fs, i'll put that answer on the stack :p |
| 13:47.52 | treestone | diab0l: ext2 leaves a list of deleted inodes. When you run ext2+journalling(=ext3) then that list is not created. |
| 13:47.57 | [4-tea-2] | hi folks. is there a repository of old debian packages? because of a critical bug in MySQL 4.0.23, i need to downgrade to 4.0.22, and the quicker i can do that, the better for me. any idea where to pick up mysql-server-4.0.22*i386.deb? |
| 13:48.01 | yazid_work | ext3 does not delete the same way as ext2 (inode cleared instantly, see docs), and there is no known tool to undelete |
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| 13:48.27 | VoX | how would i go about getting a 3dfx-based card to run gl-based apps under x? |
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| 13:48.41 | diab0l | k |
| 13:48.55 | ferrs | k |
| 13:49.08 | ricky_clarkson | [4-tea-2]: snapshot.debian.org I think |
| 13:49.32 | stew | snapshot.debian.net |
| 13:49.47 | [4-tea-2] | excellent, omw, thanks ricky & stew |
| 13:49.53 | yazid_work | VoX you will probably need a dri enable x server, libglide (not sure which), and work with 16bit color (as 3dfx cards only accelerate in 16bit color mode) |
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| 13:50.54 | ricky_clarkson | nevyn: simonrvn: http://web.ics.purdue.edu/~kuliniew/wp/archives/2005/01/10/qotw-22/ |
| 13:51.11 | [4-tea-2] | btw, if you're using MySQL with InnoDB, don't upgrade just now. :\ |
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| 13:51.38 | asg | [4-tea-2]: do you have a bug #? |
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| 13:52.31 | simonrvn | "should the value of pi change" ? |
| 13:52.42 | [4-tea-2] | asg, hang on |
| 13:52.42 | simonrvn | wtf |
| 13:53.03 | Chameleon22 | i am trying to commit stuff into subversion and getting this error: svn: PROPFIND request failed on '/svn/bash/trunk' \n svn: PROPFIND of '/svn/bash/trunk': 500 Internal Server Error (http://chameleon) |
| 13:53.05 | Chameleon22 | does any one know why this might be happening and how i could fix it ? |
| 13:53.05 | greycat | simonrvn: you never know when god's going to go mucking around with the universe. |
| 13:53.23 | Gathond | simonrvn: you know when the state legislative body desides to dictate pi = 4 :) |
| 13:53.28 | asg | Chameleon22: try #svn |
| 13:53.30 | greycat | Gathond: three. |
| 13:53.33 | simonrvn | greycat: make it spin a bit faster so a circle is a bit flatter or something |
| 13:53.39 | Chameleon22 | asg: i have. all dead there |
| 13:53.41 | Delph | greycat: three in 2/3 of the states, 4 in the rest. |
| 13:53.49 | asg | Chameleon22: 171 people and they are all dead? |
| 13:53.53 | Chameleon22 | yes |
| 13:53.59 | Gathond | greycat: naah 4 is easier, since it is dividable with 2 :) .. or something |
| 13:54.04 | ricky_clarkson | Someone must have told them about bitkeeper. |
| 13:54.11 | [4-tea-2] | asg, according to heikki, this is the bug i encountered (which did cost me several tables in a long-running InnoDB database): http://lists.mysql.com/internals/22785 |
| 13:54.15 | simonrvn | or arch |
| 13:54.18 | Delph | Gathond: no; it's for engineers because you should always have a saftey factor. |
| 13:54.19 | greycat | or SCCS |
| 13:54.20 | ricky_clarkson | Or svk |
| 13:54.28 | simonrvn | or RCS |
| 13:54.32 | asg | [4-tea-2]: hmmmm |
| 13:54.34 | greycat | or CVS |
| 13:54.46 | simonrvn | or bazaar |
| 13:54.53 | Gathond | Delph: actually that could go both ways, so that is a r lousy argument :) |
| 13:55.02 | simonrvn | or PRCS |
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| 13:55.22 | Gathond | Delph: safety factor != numerically smaller, for everything anyway |
| 13:56.00 | Gathond | Delph: but anyway the whole thingy was just a joke, I think philidelphia or something actually did dictate something like that for their school system, I think i read that once anyway |
| 13:56.29 | Delph | Gathond: i know it's a joke, hence the saftey factor thing. |
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| 13:56.56 | stew | Gathond: http://www.snopes.com/religion/pi.htm |
| 13:57.21 | veruus | mmm.. pi |
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| 13:57.41 | Gathond | stew: that would be the one yes, thanks |
| 13:58.58 | davis | thanks |
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| 14:01.40 | ricky_clarkson | greycat: I don't think the SVN developers and users would be shocked by CVS ;) |
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| 14:01.51 | simonrvn | i am sick of those stupid AOL proxies |
| 14:02.20 | arthurgeek | can i install sarge in a reiser4 partition? |
| 14:02.23 | diab0l | switch to a real ISP |
| 14:02.29 | TinoW | arthurgeek: sure |
| 14:02.45 | simonrvn | diab0l: *i'm* not using them, visitors are |
| 14:02.50 | simonrvn | !lart diab0l |
| 14:02.55 | diab0l | ah |
| 14:03.00 | diab0l | x_x |
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| 14:03.20 | arthurgeek | TinoW: oh, thx, but i need to format that partition before installation, right? |
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| 14:03.56 | directhex | and you need a kernel with reiser4 support |
| 14:03.56 | NaturalRoots | samba+cups = client-error-not-possible..?? |
| 14:04.09 | NaturalRoots | packages for install? |
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| 14:04.34 | arthurgeek | directhex: ok, sarge's default kernel doenst' support it? |
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| 14:05.53 | stew | arthurgeek: you can use debootstrap perhaps |
| 14:06.20 | TinoW | arthurgeek: sarge netinstall, linux26 or expert26 and you go |
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| 14:06.46 | TinoW | arthurgeek: comes complete with ext3,xfs,reisefs,... |
| 14:07.14 | misfitx7 | can someone help me with users and groups? im trying to setup a shared drive on a linux machine that windows boxes can have access to, i can see the drives on the network in windows but cant login to them |
| 14:07.18 | arthurgeek | TinoW: reiser version 4? |
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| 14:07.45 | TinoW | arthurgeek: afaic this is ultra pre alpha or so. |
| 14:07.57 | TinoW | arthurgeek: dont expect it on debian soon |
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| 14:08.31 | directhex | arthurgeek, reiser 4 isn't in the linux kernel, full stop. debian doesn't usually have untrusted things added to its kernels |
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| 14:08.53 | asg | arthurgeek: there was some discussion on d-u last week re: reiser4 |
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| 14:09.20 | arthurgeek | directhex: ahh, right! |
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| 14:09.26 | Devi0s | I just got this 8 channel SATA RAID 5 card that apparently can increase and decrease the size of the raid container on the fly if i hotplug another disk into an empty slot in the cabinent. How would I make the partition and filesystem grow with the raid container? |
| 14:09.39 | arthurgeek | TinoW: reiser4 is stable... |
| 14:09.56 | arthurgeek | TinoW: no alpha or beta... |
| 14:10.11 | stew | !ricerfs |
| 14:10.11 | dpkg | from memory, ricerfs is the firework rocket of filesystems - it goes very fast then blows up with all your data. See "reiserfs" for real info. |
| 14:10.13 | TinoW | arthurgeek: ah yes you are right |
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| 14:10.44 | TinoW | noodle and rice-fs |
| 14:10.44 | caphuso | arthurgeek: you mean i can make software stable by not calling it "alpha" or "beta"? |
| 14:11.00 | caphuso | heh |
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| 14:11.11 | TinoW | reiser4progs - Administration utilities for the Reiser4 filesystem |
| 14:11.21 | TinoW | well, looks like it ;) |
| 14:11.22 | PerfDave | caphuso: Of course! It works for Microsoft Windows, doesn't it? |
| 14:11.27 | frood | lets start a pool... how long before CherryOS disappears? |
| 14:11.36 | |rufius| | 1 minute |
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| 14:11.52 | directhex | frood, but the GPL is unconstitutional, so they've done nothing wrong! |
| 14:11.56 | |rufius| | realistically... i give it 2 months tops |
| 14:12.37 | alvaro | The server is giving me Internet has IP 192.168.0.1.. but I can't set that IP as my DNS.. when I set that IP as my DNS on the client box, I can't see any website.. even when I can see every web on the server one |
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| 14:13.00 | greycat | "The server", "as my DNS"..... what the hell does that mean? |
| 14:13.10 | frood | i reckon a month |
| 14:13.24 | alvaro | greycat : uhm.. a Linux box.. which is connected to internet |
| 14:13.29 | PerfDave | !CherryOS |
| 14:13.32 | alvaro | that Linux is giving Internet to all the clients |
| 14:13.45 | alvaro | through switchs |
| 14:14.03 | greycat | are you trying to say "I have a Debian system which is acting as a NAT router for my Windows systems, but I forgot to install a caching DNS name resolver on it, and I misconfigured my DHCP server on it"? |
| 14:14.07 | |rufius| | its not really giving Internet... maybe routing packets and such to provide an internet connection... but you don't really 'give' the Internet to anyone |
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| 14:14.31 | greycat | |rufius|: but... but... I have an AOL internet CD right here! |
| 14:14.37 | alvaro | sorry.. english isn't my first language.. |
| 14:14.39 | alvaro | well |
| 14:14.40 | TinoW | alamar: just install dnsmasq or something like that |
| 14:14.41 | greycat | |rufius|: it's got the internet on it!!!11 |
| 14:14.45 | alvaro | I think you're right greycat |
| 14:14.53 | |rufius| | alvaro: lol i know, we're just sarcastic |
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| 14:14.58 | greycat | alvaro: so 1) install a resolver, and 2) fix your DHCP server |
| 14:15.00 | shomon | hi, a quick question: what is the debian equivalent of /sbin/chkconfig - for turning on and off services in various runlevels? |
| 14:15.08 | greycat | !rc.local |
| 14:15.08 | dpkg | hmm... rc.local is the boot script for BSD/slackware/redhat systems but is considered to be a hack for lazy people. Use the sysvinit method via update-rc.d, or read /etc/init.d/README or "man update-rc.d", or try "sysvconfig", or /etc/rc.boot/ directory, /etc/init.d/bootmisc.sh file and /etc/init.d/skeleton template. If you don't like SysV, consider file-rc. |
| 14:15.09 | asg | shomon: rcconf |
| 14:15.14 | shomon | thanks! |
| 14:15.22 | stew | shomon: update-rc.d |
| 14:15.23 | caphuso | shomon: rm/ln |
| 14:15.25 | greycat | why isn't rcconf mentioned in that factoid? |
| 14:15.46 | alvaro | a resolver? |
| 14:15.48 | alvaro | what's a good one? |
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| 14:15.53 | caphuso | greycat: and why does it claim that file-rc isn't SysV? |
| 14:16.29 | Devi0s | isn't the reiserfs instability a thing of the past now? |
| 14:16.53 | Devi0s | kind of like the IBM deathstar hdds? new versions of the travelstars have no more problems... |
| 14:17.00 | |rufius| | alvaro: google? |
| 14:17.19 | alvaro | thank you |
| 14:17.38 | alvaro | I hope you're being sarcastic again and tell me a good resolver =) |
| 14:17.54 | |rufius| | no i was serious... try google |
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| 14:17.59 | |rufius| | thats why google is there. |
| 14:18.04 | |rufius| | to _search_ for things |
| 14:18.09 | mwilson | greycat: You understand, of course... he has no idea what you meant. |
| 14:18.10 | greycat | hah. |
| 14:18.10 | TinoW | Devi0s: reisefs wasnt that instable. It was just unforgiving on hardware failures |
| 14:18.15 | greycat | <PROTECTED> |
| 14:18.18 | greycat | <PROTECTED> |
| 14:18.23 | caphuso | TinoW: wrong |
| 14:18.23 | asg | hah |
| 14:18.28 | directhex | ext3 isn't forgiving on hardware failure either |
| 14:18.34 | TinoW | caphuso: you must know... |
| 14:18.37 | |rufius| | Devi0s: ibm doesn't make hdd's anymore... thats hitachi's now |
| 14:18.40 | alvaro | http://www.reonda.com/artistas/good_charlotte/foros/foro_00028.pag_1/ |
| 14:19.08 | alvaro | that's the first result for 'good resolver' |
| 14:19.08 | alvaro | hehe |
| 14:19.08 | caphuso | TinoW: the big problem with that reisercrap is, that there are no useful fsck tools available |
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| 14:19.10 | |rufius| | alvaro: i'd try something along the lines of 'linux dns resolver' |
| 14:19.18 | TinoW | caphuso: the point is, you dont need them if the hardware works. |
| 14:19.24 | greycat | Charlotte doesn't even appear on my first results page for "good resolver" |
| 14:19.27 | caphuso | TinoW: so about damn near any minor glitch turns out to be a fucking huge kick in the family jewels |
| 14:19.29 | [4-tea-2] | I hereby pronounce Ricky and Stew life-savers. (ie. snapshot helped, i have my tables back) |
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| 14:19.47 | caphuso | TinoW: well, except when reiserfs thinks it needs to randomly hardlink directories |
| 14:19.53 | alvaro | greycat : that means Google is a dark company |
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| 14:20.03 | TinoW | caphuso: when does it do so? |
| 14:20.09 | alvaro | they aren't good boys anymore |
| 14:20.16 | alvaro | $$ eat them |
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| 14:20.24 | greycat | what *I* don't understand is how people can go around setting up DHCP servers without knowing the first damned thing about networks. |
| 14:20.25 | caphuso | TinoW: good question. but that was why i finally stopped using reiserfs |
| 14:20.46 | TinoW | caphuso: server or consumer hardware? |
| 14:20.47 | |rufius| | greycat: but but dhcp make it so easy! it just give ip to everything! |
| 14:20.59 | caphuso | TinoW: it doesn't have shit to do with hardware |
| 14:21.05 | TinoW | caphuso: sure it does. |
| 14:21.20 | caphuso | TinoW: there were no hardware problems involved |
| 14:21.43 | TinoW | caphuso: how do you know? Did you read out the S.M.A.R.T in case of IDE drives? |
| 14:21.54 | caphuso | TinoW: yes, of course |
| 14:21.54 | TinoW | aha. |
| 14:22.09 | caphuso | TinoW: i also read several megabytes of /var/log/ |
| 14:22.58 | caphuso | TinoW: case remains, reiserfs created, all by itself, hardlinks on directories, and reiserfsck didn't even notice that there was a problem |
| 14:22.59 | TinoW | caphuso: I was using rasierfs a lot of time. The only instance died was on some rotten ide harddrives |
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| 14:23.10 | Devi0s | I just got this 8 channel SATA RAID 5 card that apparently can increase and decrease the size of the raid container on the fly if i hotplug another disk into an empty slot in the cabinent. How would I make the partition and filesystem grow with the raid container? lvm? gparted? don't use ext? |
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| 14:35.12 | jerome | good afternoon all, I have a silly problem with my EuroSign character. I set up X with xkb xfree86, pc104 and fr layout, then $LANG is fr_FR@euro, so is $LC_ALL. xkb fr symbols and xmodmap are set to display EuroSign on AltGr+e but xev says "NoSymbol", any idea ? |
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| 14:35.42 | chino | so why doesn't `apt-get install mysql` turn up anything ? |
| 14:35.55 | chino | isn't there like a option to query so i can see what packages might be close to mysql ? |
| 14:36.09 | simonrvn | @tell chino -about search |
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| 14:36.11 | stew | chino: /msg dpkg search |
| 14:36.14 | ricky_clarkson | apt-cache search mysql |
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| 14:36.51 | shadebob | I have trouble with ensoniq installation under sarge.. lspci view my card, I had compiled kernel with alsa and ens1371 support, apt discover... |
| 14:37.01 | shadebob | but mpg123 say to me : no /dev/dsp. |
| 14:37.03 | shadebob | :( |
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| 14:38.10 | chino | nothing |
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| 14:38.16 | chino | is mysql not liked by debian either? |
| 14:38.24 | asg | chino: mysql-server is the package you want |
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| 14:38.42 | chino | :\ why didn't mysql show anything ? |
| 14:39.01 | asg | chino: pebcak |
| 14:39.07 | chino | ouch |
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| 14:39.10 | sorsis_ | where to get debian sarge DVD? |
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| 14:39.12 | chino | you hurt my feelings |
| 14:39.17 | chino | havn't heard someone say that to me in a while :\ |
| 14:39.31 | asg | asg@rob:~$ apt-cache search mysql | wc -l |
| 14:39.31 | asg | 246 |
| 14:39.31 | chino | maybe i should stick to slackware lol |
| 14:39.33 | ircdevil | can anyone recommend a bed & breakfast in cambridge? |
| 14:39.52 | asg | ircdevil: MA or UK? |
| 14:40.11 | mwilson | Did someone just try to claim that using Snacky was a sign of intelligence? |
| 14:40.12 | ircdevil | asg: UK |
| 14:40.17 | Putiikki | can i download mplayer with apt? |
| 14:40.25 | sevenoak | hi, can anyone tell me if its possible to get the mac-address from an other pc's network card? |
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| 14:40.44 | asg | Putiikki: /msg dpkg mplayer |
| 14:40.49 | Putiikki | thanks |
| 14:40.50 | asg | ircdevil: ricky_clarkson might know |
| 14:42.10 | sevenoak | no way to get the mac-addr. from an known ip? |
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| 14:42.40 | asg | sevenoak: man arp |
| 14:42.41 | ircdevil | preferrably something close to campus and a cozy pub |
| 14:43.00 | Kenotic | Does anyone here use mairix? |
| 14:43.02 | sevenoak | thx asg |
| 14:43.25 | ntoll | how do I grep all files and subdirectories in the current dir? grep 'search string' ?????? |
| 14:43.34 | mwilson | ntoll: man grep |
| 14:43.45 | shomon | grep search * .* ? |
| 14:43.51 | alindeman | grep -R |
| 14:44.04 | ntoll | aha.... thankyou |
| 14:44.05 | ircdevil | =gep |
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| 14:44.07 | shomon | actually use find: find . -exec grep {} \; |
| 14:44.17 | alindeman | Why? |
| 14:44.18 | shomon | that'll recursively go through all subdirs too. |
| 14:44.20 | alindeman | grep -R ... |
| 14:44.27 | alindeman | <PROTECTED> |
| 14:44.27 | alindeman | <PROTECTED> |
| 14:44.31 | dut | lynx from debian Woody works with UTF-8? |
| 14:44.31 | shomon | oh does the same oops! |
| 14:44.37 | shomon | hanks alindeman |
| 14:44.44 | alindeman | np |
| 14:44.46 | shomon | s/hanks/y\1 |
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| 14:44.50 | shomon | s/hanks/t\1 even |
| 14:44.52 | ntoll | alindeman, thanks |
| 14:44.56 | alindeman | np |
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| 14:45.20 | ricky_clarkson | ircdevil: Never been to Cambridge. PerfDave and directhex are in Oxford, they can probably point you better. |
| 14:45.33 | ricky_clarkson | ircdevil: Esaj is at Cambridge, but he's offline. |
| 14:45.54 | PerfDave | ircdevil: My advice would be "don't go to Cambridge. Ever." |
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| 14:47.41 | legider | hey all, im having a problem, I am running Debian 3.0r4 ppc on my network behind my router, on the router itself I have it set to forward all traffic on port 22 to my debian box for SSH... well If I SSH into my debian box using its local 192.168 address it works fine, but if I try my domain name which I know resolves to my real IP, I get no response, I know port forwarding is working on my router because I am routing other ports to a windo |
| 14:47.55 | legider | is there some kind of ip filtering/blocking going on in debian? |
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| 14:48.39 | PerfDave | legider: Uhm, you're trying to ssh to your debian box from inside your network using your external IP? |
| 14:48.45 | legider | negative |
| 14:49.06 | shomon | any idea if it's possible to get a parallel port logitech quickcam vc working without having to patch the kernel? |
| 14:49.36 | ircdevil | PerfDave: what a peculiar name for a bed & breakfast? (nevermind - i am going. i would like recommendations to b&b and a pub nearby) |
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| 14:50.01 | legider | PerfDave, i just tried using my external IP and no response from inside the network |
| 14:50.12 | legider | host unreachable |
| 14:50.17 | underdog | guys, I'm trying to compile kernel 2.6.10 to the i686 arch, but it won't find "i686.Linux". What should I do? |
| 14:50.23 | PerfDave | legider: Did you try your external IP from *within* the network? |
| 14:50.28 | legider | yes |
| 14:50.29 | PerfDave | ircdevil: *shrug* Can't help, I'm afraid. I know a nice B&B in Manchester, that's much nicer than Cambridge ;) |
| 14:50.46 | PerfDave | legider: I wouldn't expect that to work, unless you configure the port forwarding on the internal interface on the router as well. |
| 14:50.47 | ircdevil | PerfDave: great - if i was going to manchester :o) |
| 14:51.00 | PerfDave | ircdevil: Manchester's really a very nice place, you know... |
| 14:51.21 | PerfDave | legider: Is the router running a real OS or is it some kind of cacky embedded device? Chances are if it's the latter then you can't do what you want. |
| 14:51.40 | legider | its embedded, but it forwards to win boxes fine |
| 14:51.45 | ircdevil | PerfDave: i must widen my horizon one day |
| 14:51.58 | PerfDave | legider: It forwards to Windows boxes from *within* the network? |
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| 14:52.29 | legider | it forwards external requests for ports to an internal IP of the windows box |
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| 14:52.59 | underdog | guys, I'm trying to compile kernel 2.6.10 to the i686 arch, but it won't find "i686.Linux". What should I do? |
| 14:53.01 | PerfDave | legider: Do external requests for SSH get through to your Debian box? |
| 14:53.12 | legider | PerfDave, no they do not |
| 14:53.28 | sevenoak | how can i fill the arp table with a special ip? |
| 14:53.31 | PerfDave | legider: *external* requests? Not internal requests for the external IP, but actual external ones? |
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| 14:53.52 | legider | PerfDave, right, like right now I can sitting at work, and get no response from my debian box at home |
| 14:53.55 | FieldySnuts | legider: your isp might be blocking, you could try using a different port say 220 (remember to change the forwarding) |
| 14:54.07 | elephantman | Hi all |
| 14:54.08 | FieldySnuts | or router/whatever is set up wrong, tcp wrappers, iptables, etc etc |
| 14:54.13 | legider | FieldySnuts, no thats not it because i can forward 22 to my windows box and it works |
| 14:54.28 | elephantman | Is it possible to find "pre-made" kernel images that will boot my computer from a floppy |
| 14:54.32 | PerfDave | legider: Check your SSH server configuration to see where it's allowing connections from. |
| 14:54.35 | FieldySnuts | on the box sshd is running, netstat -anp | grep sshd see if it's really listening (eth0 addy or 0.0.0.0:22 is what you want) |
| 14:54.40 | greycat | elephantman: /msg dpkg d-i |
| 14:54.41 | elephantman | This is because my actual kernel doesn't fit on a floppy |
| 14:54.45 | elephantman | <PROTECTED> |
| 14:54.45 | greycat | elephantman: search for "floppy" on the resulting web page. |
| 14:55.01 | PerfDave | elephantman: What are you are actually trying to do? |
| 14:55.08 | FieldySnuts | legider: oh okay, i guess that makes it easy then, some sort of misconfiguration on the system sshd is running on |
| 14:55.15 | legider | PerfDave, its not only SSH though, apache will not respond to external requests either |
| 14:55.22 | elephantman | greycat: ok thanx |
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| 14:55.48 | elephantman | PerfDave: try to use "mkrescue" but my kernel is 2MB so it doesn't fit on my floppy disk |
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| 14:56.06 | PerfDave | legider: Then you may have installed some firewall or set some configuration option which is denying external requests. |
| 14:56.19 | elephantman | PerfDave: and "mkrescue --iso" doesn't work so i can't make a boot CD neither |
| 14:56.47 | PerfDave | elephantman: You could probably just use a tomsrtbt floppy as a rescue floppy instead? |
| 14:56.48 | legider | PerfDave, its just a basic debian install, i only used the first CD and tried to make it as basic as possible, do you know of anything that may have been accidently installed? |
| 14:57.02 | PerfDave | legider: No idea. My basic Debian install allows external connections just fine. |
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| 14:57.14 | FieldySnuts | legider: on the box sshd is running, netstat -anp | grep sshd see if it's really listening (eth0 addy or 0.0.0.0:22 is what you want) |
| 14:57.24 | legider | FieldySnuts, ya sshd is accepting everything fine |
| 14:57.35 | legider | FieldySnuts, its not only sshd |
| 14:57.43 | elephantman | PerfDave: ok i am gonna try to figure out what a "tomsrtbt" floppy is |
| 14:57.44 | legider | i can't hit apache either |
| 14:57.50 | stew | legider: are you positive the router is forwarding to the correct ip? |
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| 14:57.55 | PerfDave | !jfgi tomsrtbt |
| 14:57.57 | legider | stew, yes |
| 14:57.57 | FieldySnuts | i'm confused, you say sshd is accepting it fine, but you can't get the result you want? |
| 14:58.11 | legider | the config for sshd says it will accept fine |
| 14:58.16 | legider | the reality is, it is not |
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| 14:58.30 | FieldySnuts | okay, have you tried to see if traffic is actually coming to the box? such as tcpdump src or dst port 22 |
| 14:58.34 | FieldySnuts | then try to connect |
| 14:58.46 | shadebob | someone had installed HP ML110 with a debian sarge |
| 14:58.50 | legider | lemme try |
| 14:58.52 | stew | legider: run tcpdump on the ssh sever and see if you see packets coming in on :22 |
| 14:59.04 | FieldySnuts | er, stew, not stego |
| 14:59.08 | stew | arg |
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| 14:59.28 | legider | where is tcpdump |
| 14:59.36 | FieldySnuts | probably have to install it |
| 14:59.40 | greycat | !installit |
| 14:59.40 | dpkg | *** NEWS FLASH! Your box does not come with every app, tool and utility known to debiankind installed already. If you find that the program you've been told to use isn't there, install it. Also ask me about <search>. |
| 14:59.40 | FieldySnuts | it's small |
| 14:59.43 | FieldySnuts | heh |
| 14:59.53 | legider | =p |
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| 15:01.22 | FieldySnuts | legider: fyi, the command you want once you have it is: tcpdump src or dst port 22 then try to connect, you should see a flurry of traffic. ctl-c to kill it. |
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| 15:01.33 | elephantman | PerfDave: ok thanx a lot |
| 15:01.47 | PerfDave | elephantman: Best of luck. |
| 15:01.57 | legider | FieldySnuts, thanks, working on compiling libpcap and tcdump now |
| 15:02.07 | elephantman | PerfDave: now i know what a tom....blabla is |
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| 15:02.22 | FieldySnuts | brb, i am at work after all. |
| 15:02.26 | stew | FieldySnuts: isn't tcpdump port 22 the same as src or dst port 22/ |
| 15:02.43 | grigora | how do I get Emacs (emacs21-nox) to understand utf8? |
| 15:02.59 | legider | FieldySnuts, something i just realized, from the debian box I can't ping google.com? from other boxes I can fine, my resolv.conf has the correct dns servers |
| 15:03.37 | PerfDave | legider: What happens when you traceroute the IP of your DNS server? |
| 15:03.41 | FieldySnuts | stew: maybe, it's just how I do it |
| 15:04.12 | legider | PerfDave, i can't even ping external IPs like google's |
| 15:04.13 | FieldySnuts | legider: now it's starting to sound like hardware problems (switch/hub port, switch/hub itself, cable, jack, nic) |
| 15:04.16 | PerfDave | legider: What happens when you traceroute the IP of your DNS server? |
| 15:04.32 | FieldySnuts | this assuming your networking on it was set up right before and worked and nothing was changed |
| 15:04.35 | PerfDave | legider: And if your Debian box is at home and you're at work, how come you can access it? |
| 15:04.51 | FieldySnuts | @win PerfDave |
| 15:04.54 | ravenbird | Congratulations, PerfDave! You have won a lifetime supply of spam! |
| 15:04.55 | FieldySnuts | yay he's back |
| 15:05.06 | legider | I am remote desktopping into my windows box, and SSHing localy into it |
| 15:05.12 | FieldySnuts | i gotta do some work, these people can take care of you |
| 15:05.31 | legider | ya... im getting host unreachables when i try to traderoute |
| 15:05.45 | legider | tracer** |
| 15:06.25 | PerfDave | legider: Do you have a default route configured (the gateway IP for your network)? |
| 15:06.26 | simonrvn | or loose cat5 cable ;p |
| 15:06.52 | legider | im rather certain I do, ifconfig doesn't show it to me, how can I see it? |
| 15:07.05 | simonrvn | route -n, or ip route |
| 15:07.08 | FieldySnuts | or one of those situations where somebody thinks "hey I can have TWO routes", then bring traffic in one, and expect it to go out the other |
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| 15:07.18 | simonrvn | hehe |
| 15:07.20 | FieldySnuts | which ain't gonna happen |
| 15:07.27 | legider | ... |
| 15:07.31 | legider | bloody hell |
| 15:07.44 | FieldySnuts | no routes? |
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| 15:07.49 | simonrvn | not unless you're multi-homing or BGP, or something of the sort |
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| 15:07.54 | legider | it has my gateway as 0.0.0.0 i set the thing as 192.168.1.1 i swear |
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| 15:08.06 | simonrvn | !paste |
| 15:08.06 | dpkg | somebody said paste was Do not paste into the channel. Use #flood , visit http://channels.debian.net/paste/ , or try /msg paster help. don't eat this stuff |
| 15:08.08 | FieldySnuts | because then it would make sense, you can access it locall but not remotely (when the returning traffic must have a route) |
| 15:08.40 | PerfDave | legider: Set it in /etc/network/interfaces, then do "ifdown eth0" and "ifup eth0" |
| 15:08.40 | FieldySnuts | can set all the forwards you want, it'll make it to the system, but NOT back out |
| 15:08.44 | simonrvn | brrr it's cold today |
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| 15:08.52 | legider | PerfDave, thankyou |
| 15:09.07 | PerfDave | legider: That way it'll be maintained across reboots. "route add" won't be. |
| 15:09.14 | PerfDave | legider: Uhm, wait |
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| 15:09.29 | PerfDave | legider: Do "ifdown eth0; ifup eth0" as one command, otherwise when you do ifdown you won't be able to type ifup ;) |
| 15:09.38 | legider | lol |
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| 15:09.43 | legider | good thinking, thanks lol |
| 15:09.52 | FieldySnuts | i like how you can restart sshd and still stay in the session you started before you restarted sshd |
| 15:10.14 | PerfDave | FieldySnuts: Unless you're an idiot and do "killall -HUP sshd" like I once did on a busy FreeBSD terminal server :/ |
| 15:10.14 | FieldySnuts | unless it completely badgers anyway |
| 15:10.23 | FieldySnuts | ouch |
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| 15:10.38 | PerfDave | FieldySnuts: That was one of those "learn your lessons" moments |
| 15:10.43 | FieldySnuts | yeah no doubt |
| 15:11.14 | FieldySnuts | long time ago i let somebody fork bomb me "just because". i was 50 miles away and couldn't come back for 3 days, and hadn't set up ways of limiting that.. |
| 15:11.21 | FieldySnuts | not a server thankfully |
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| 15:14.52 | simonrvn | blip |
| 15:14.57 | FieldySnuts | well, that conversation died |
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| 15:15.23 | simonrvn | oh crap |
| 15:15.24 | slashzul | how can i stop XFree86 from starting up at boot time? I need it for remote connections but dont need it on the console |
| 15:15.25 | sussudio | badger? |
| 15:15.33 | greycat | !nodm |
| 15:15.34 | dpkg | Debian does not use a specific runlevel for graphical display managers by default. Just remove the dm package(s) with "apt-get remove xdm kdm wdm login.app gdm pdm". "update-rc.d -f xdm remove" and friends will also disable the dm until a package update is installed and the runlevel symlinks are restored.. NEWSFLASH! echo "false" ... |
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| 15:16.05 | slashzul | but I need X for users |
| 15:16.24 | slashzul | i just dont need X on the console |
| 15:16.32 | legider | PerfDave, FieldySnuts :: thanks alot, working fine now, |
| 15:16.35 | greycat | I need a translator. Does anyone here speak newb? |
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| 15:16.45 | simonrvn | edit it so it doesn't start an xserver, but the daemon starts - yes it's possible |
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| 15:16.50 | greycat | WHAT daemon? |
| 15:16.55 | simonrvn | xdm |
| 15:17.08 | greycat | you think he wants XDMCP for thin clients/X terminals? |
| 15:17.26 | simonrvn | not sure if gdm or kdm can do it, but i've done it with ... well, isn't that what s/he asked? |
| 15:17.33 | nevyn | gdm and kdm can |
| 15:17.34 | greycat | I have no fucking IDEA what he wants. |
| 15:17.52 | nevyn | I've done it before with kdm |
| 15:18.00 | simonrvn | then s/he needs to be clearer ;) |
| 15:18.15 | simonrvn | yeh they can, come to think of it |
| 15:18.23 | slashzul | greycat seems a litle disturbed with simple Q's |
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| 15:18.32 | greycat | no, only with simpletons |
| 15:18.40 | slashzul | oooooooooooooh |
| 15:18.43 | slashzul | smartass too |
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| 15:18.56 | slashzul | resorts to name calling now |
| 15:19.02 | greycat | tell us why dpkg's answer wasn't adequate, or shut up. |
| 15:19.10 | slashzul | makes me think he is probably a 15yo unemployed |
| 15:19.22 | sml | slashzul: you obviously dont spend much time in here then. |
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| 15:19.30 | slashzul | no need to. |
| 15:19.43 | greycat | !smart questions |
| 15:19.43 | dpkg | Go here to find out how to ask intelligent questions: http://www.catb.org/~esr/faqs/smart-questions.html - Be sure to look at the section http://www.catb.org/~esr/faqs/smart-questions.html#before - This FAQ has information to help many users solve their own problem more effectively and to help users interact more effectively with computer experts. |
| 15:19.45 | slashzul | some Q's though I come in here to find out a quick way to do thinkgs |
| 15:19.49 | greycat | !hurry |
| 15:19.49 | dpkg | Ohhhhh.... Aaaarrrreeee yyyyoooouuuuuuuuu iiiinnnn a huuuuurrrrrrryyyyy? Welllllll... |
| 15:19.56 | asg | haha, greycat a 15yr old |
| 15:20.00 | slashzul | greycat has an attitude problem |
| 15:20.02 | sml | slashzul: most intelligent people use the manpage for that very same reason. |
| 15:20.02 | FieldySnuts | @lart slashzul |
| 15:20.05 | greycat | *PLONK* |
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| 15:20.12 | Kerr | I just plugged in my new usb cdwriter.. lsusb shows it as Bus 003 Device 002: ID 0ecd:1402 Lite-On IT Corp. ; usbmodules shows usb-storage as being available for /proc/bus/usb/003/002 ... aside that i'm clueless. How can i get it working? |
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| 15:20.24 | slashzul | ive man'd many a page, just though some of you might have a quick answer |
| 15:20.32 | stew | slashzul: you got a quick answer |
| 15:20.33 | slashzul | greycat sure seems disturbed |
| 15:20.37 | stew | slashzul: /msg dpkg nodm |
| 15:20.37 | slashzul | name calling |
| 15:20.38 | slashzul | wow |
| 15:20.43 | slashzul | thanks everyone |
| 15:20.45 | sharkk | does someone know if any of the generic drivers on a netinstall debcd works with nforce2 onboard nics? |
| 15:20.45 | slashzul | i got it |
| 15:20.54 | FieldySnuts | slashzul: greycat is a regular and I think an op here too, so he gets to get away with it. you know the drill! |
| 15:20.57 | stew | slashzul: do you have another question then? or what? |
| 15:20.57 | simonrvn | blah |
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| 15:21.22 | FieldySnuts | </troll> |
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| 15:21.32 | slashzul | naw, thanks |
| 15:21.35 | directhex | sharkk, which version of debian? |
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| 15:21.39 | simonrvn | lharrison: forgot k |
| 15:21.53 | Chameleon22 | trying to mount usb key : fstab entry: /dev/sda /media/usbkey vfat ro,user,noauto 0 0 with error: mount: /dev/sda1 is not a valid block device any ideas why ? |
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| 15:22.31 | Kerr | Chameleon22: should it be sda0 ? |
| 15:22.34 | stew | Chameleon22: what mount command are you using? |
| 15:22.35 | sharkk | directhex: how can i check at the cdboot prompt? |
| 15:22.36 | nevyn | Chameleon22: check it's got a partition table on it. |
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| 15:22.48 | Ulti | hello |
| 15:23.00 | directhex | sharkk, erm... you check what you wrote on the cd you downloaded? |
| 15:23.02 | Azar | great news from Plextor: Plextor PVRs now support Linux http://www.plextor.com/english/news/press/LinuxPVR_pr.htm |
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| 15:23.14 | nevyn | yeah that's whoo. |
| 15:23.18 | Ulti | can anyone try to help me how to use/configure ipmasq ? |
| 15:23.25 | sharkk | i dont remember i just grabbed a cd i found in a stack, didnt have time to geta new one |
| 15:23.30 | sharkk | its about 2 years old |
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| 15:23.53 | directhex | !tell sharkk about woody hardware support |
| 15:23.54 | sharkk | it has all the ne200, 3c95x etc |
| 15:23.57 | greycat | sharkk: toss it. /msg dpkg d-i |
| 15:24.03 | simonrvn | goddamn, what's with the massive ping quasi-flood. past 2-3 days i've seen clients hitting the firewall with a tonne of ping requests |
| 15:24.08 | directhex | sharkk, ne2000 hasn't been relevant since, well, ever |
| 15:24.19 | sharkk | hehe still worked with a whole lot of noname cards |
| 15:24.20 | greycat | directhex: it was big in the early 90s. |
| 15:24.29 | simonrvn | (of course makes snort freak out) |
| 15:24.40 | Chameleon22 | nevyn: how do you mean ? |
| 15:24.41 | sharkk | hahah |
| 15:24.53 | sharkk | cant find a pciriser here either so cant pop in a serious card |
| 15:24.56 | nevyn | Chameleon22: what's fdisk -l /dev/sda report. |
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| 15:25.11 | nevyn | btw the fstab line you gave above doesn't match the error report. |
| 15:25.21 | Azar | greycat, simonrvn where could I get a news site for Debian, I would like to know how hardware support is progressing |
| 15:25.33 | Chameleon22 | nevyn: nop nothing there |
| 15:25.44 | simonrvn | Azar: debian news weekly |
| 15:25.55 | stew | Azar: lists.debian.org or /msg dpkg dwn |
| 15:25.56 | nevyn | try mount -t vfat /dev/sda /mnt |
| 15:25.59 | nevyn | and see what's in /mnt |
| 15:26.10 | directhex | sharkk, forcedeth is actually a prety good 10/100 option. certainly compared to things like realtek 8139 |
| 15:26.11 | Azar | thank you simonrvn, stew |
| 15:26.30 | Chameleon22 | nevyn: tried that, same error |
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| 15:27.23 | Kerr | is a usb device on bus 3, device 2 /dev/sdc1 ? |
| 15:27.26 | Ulti | can anyone try to help me how to use/configure ipmasq ? |
| 15:27.30 | simonrvn | and a sweater.... |
| 15:27.42 | PerfDave | Ulti: There's good documentation at http://www.netfilter.org/ |
| 15:28.01 | Ulti | PerfDave: oke thanx |
| 15:28.02 | stew | as if there is somewhere good to stick that |
| 15:28.04 | Chameleon22 | Kerr: same error |
| 15:28.17 | FieldySnuts | other than the garbage |
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| 15:28.31 | nevyn | Chameleon22: is there data on the device? |
| 15:28.55 | stew | Chameleon22: does fdisk -l list any partitions on /dev/sda? |
| 15:28.59 | Chameleon22 | nevyn: yes |
| 15:28.59 | greycat | Kerr: no. they're assigned SCSI disk letters in alphabetical order as they show up. |
| 15:29.07 | greycat | Kerr: the first one you plug in is sda, etc. |
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| 15:29.19 | Chameleon22 | stew: fdisk -l returns nothing |
| 15:29.29 | stew | sussudio: do you have a wang? |
| 15:29.42 | simonrvn | wangtek |
| 15:29.45 | nevyn | Chameleon22: fdisk -l /dev/sda returns nothing? |
| 15:29.59 | sussudio | stew: wanggg |
| 15:30.09 | Chameleon22 | nevyn: yes |
| 15:30.26 | nevyn | Chameleon22: where does dmesg say it put the device? |
| 15:30.43 | simonrvn | up its nose |
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| 15:30.50 | nevyn | it may not be /dev/sda (udev fixes that particular borkage.) |
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| 15:31.08 | Chameleon22 | nevyn: can i pm you the output with usb related stuff from dmesg? |
| 15:31.09 | sussudio | stew: http://home.wanadoo.nl/sussudio/wang.jpg |
| 15:31.12 | FieldySnuts | full duplex that, bitch |
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| 15:31.24 | simonrvn | hehe |
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| 15:31.59 | Kerr | greycat: erf. found it.. it was /dev/scd0 |
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| 15:32.06 | simonrvn | you people are going to make choke on my food =) |
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| 15:32.11 | simonrvn | make me* |
| 15:32.16 | FieldySnuts | that idea came from when we tried to use an old linksys switch here. worked fine at first, then ports randomly stopped working. not toally. some connections got through, other ports generated broadcast storms, choking up parts of the network |
| 15:32.20 | FieldySnuts | peice of shit |
| 15:32.25 | stew | sussudio: wacky. whats "GL". only modifier key is shift? |
| 15:32.32 | Kerr | !cdrw |
| 15:32.32 | dpkg | The Unix CD-Writer compatibility list is at http://www.shop.de/cgi-bin/winni/lsc.pl, or http://newbiedoc.sourceforge.net/tutorials/cdrw/index-debian-cdrw.html |
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| 15:32.39 | sussudio | stew: i'm not sure |
| 15:32.43 | stew | oh there is a ctrl |
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| 15:33.33 | simonrvn | FieldySnuts: yikes |
| 15:33.39 | Chameleon22 | nevyn: ? |
| 15:33.50 | humbolt | I have problems with the apache package! It does crash with segfault on /etc/init.d/apache start |
| 15:33.53 | humbolt | Restarting apache/etc/init.d/apache: line 89: 22802 Segmentation fault $ENV $SSD --start --pidfile $PIDFILE --exec $DAEMON >/dev/null |
| 15:34.09 | FieldySnuts | humbolt: are you using a grsecurity kernel? |
| 15:34.16 | directhex | stew, the Gl button switches everything to 3D |
| 15:34.33 | humbolt | no |
| 15:34.38 | FieldySnuts | dunno then |
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| 15:34.46 | stew | directhex: hah |
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| 15:35.10 | nevyn | Chameleon22: type dmesg.. find the line "attached usbb mass storage device at /dev/sdblah" |
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| 15:35.51 | simonrvn | FieldySnuts: apache isn't crashy with grsec - only crappy php |
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| 15:36.00 | Chameleon22 | nevyn: dmesg | grep sd -i returns nothing, greping usb retuned a lot and it does seem like it sees the key but no device info given |
| 15:36.02 | humbolt | directhex: why? |
| 15:36.17 | humbolt | wrong fella |
| 15:36.28 | stew | Chameleon22: do you have sd_mod loaded? |
| 15:36.42 | humbolt | FieldySnuts: why that? I have everything debian sarge standard |
| 15:36.44 | FallOnMe | simonrvn: yeah, but grsec logs every segv, thus someone may think it's grsec's fault. |
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| 15:37.27 | Chameleon22 | stego: yeah |
| 15:37.56 | simonrvn | FallOnMe: only if they don't know how to read logs |
| 15:38.19 | FieldySnuts | if you aren't experienced, the way it's worded does make it look like grsecurity is sending the signal |
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| 15:38.48 | FieldySnuts | grsec: signal 11 sent to blah blah |
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| 15:38.57 | FieldySnuts | when it's really just logging signals flying around |
| 15:39.00 | mohohaha | does anyone use gnu screen |
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| 15:39.05 | greycat | mohohaha: everone. |
| 15:39.06 | FieldySnuts | yes |
| 15:39.10 | greycat | +y |
| 15:39.26 | simonrvn | exactly |
| 15:39.35 | mohohaha | is there anwyere i can get screenrc with taskbar and time |
| 15:39.42 | simonrvn | grsec: mount of rpc_pipefs to /var/lib/nfs/rpc_pipefs by /bin/mount[mount:21778] uid/euid:0/0 gid/egid:0/0, parent /etc/init.d/nfs-commo |
| 15:39.45 | simonrvn | n[nfs-common:19829] uid/euid:0/0 gid/egid:0/0 |
| 15:39.53 | simonrvn | e.g. |
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| 15:40.39 | FieldySnuts | i like mount logging too |
| 15:40.49 | humbolt | That could be it: Invalid command 'TypesConfig', perhaps mis-spelled or defined by a module not included in the server configuration |
| 15:40.54 | simonrvn | i'm glad the grsec DD is on the ball ;) |
| 15:41.02 | FieldySnuts | dd? |
| 15:41.09 | simonrvn | humbolt: missing loaded module |
| 15:41.16 | simonrvn | debian devel |
| 15:41.18 | mohohaha | i used to have a screenrc that had taskbar at below, switch with F5 and F6 |
| 15:41.30 | mohohaha | but can't find that file anymore |
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| 15:41.47 | humbolt | The line mentioned shows: TypesConfig /etc/mime.types |
| 15:41.58 | FieldySnuts | for some reason, i thought it was TypeConfig |
| 15:42.12 | FieldySnuts | hit up httpd.apache.org and dig through docs (configuration directives) to be sure |
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| 15:42.53 | humbolt | The thing is, I installed plain sarge packages and did not alter the configuration! |
| 15:43.20 | Kerr | can anyone reccomend a good cd writer package? |
| 15:43.32 | greycat | cdrecord |
| 15:44.23 | simonrvn | main page, click on directives at the top, then /Types in browser |
| 15:44.45 | simonrvn | FieldySnuts: can you tell i read them a lot? :) |
| 15:46.53 | mohohaha | greycat: does your gnuscreen have such thing? |
| 15:47.19 | FieldySnuts | @lart mohohaha |
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| 15:47.46 | Kerr | err |
| 15:47.57 | asg | simonrvn: what have you been feeding that thing? |
| 15:48.16 | simonrvn | larts from CVS |
| 15:48.29 | Kerr | how can i launch xcdroast as root? in a root console it can't open display. |
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| 15:48.44 | simonrvn | use sudo |
| 15:48.52 | FieldySnuts | Linux creator Linus Torvalds said this afternoon that he's now running an Apple Macintosh as his main desktop, mainly for work reasons, although partly simply because he's a self-described "technology whore" and got the machine for free." |
| 15:48.55 | FieldySnuts | nice. |
| 15:48.59 | simonrvn | better, use the console app |
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| 15:49.24 | simonrvn | FieldySnuts: dual proc g5 desktop |
| 15:49.29 | FieldySnuts | daamn |
| 15:49.30 | petemc | FieldySnuts: its better than a lot of x86 crap, in my experience anyway |
| 15:49.35 | FieldySnuts | yep yep |
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| 15:49.38 | simonrvn | donation from yellowdog IIRC |
| 15:49.52 | a-atwood_ | ack. whats the deal w/ wiping out KDE when I upgrade to unstable? |
| 15:49.54 | asg | s/donation/bribe/ |
| 15:50.05 | asg | a-atwood_: #debian-kde |
| 15:50.06 | FieldySnuts | wtf, there are tornado warnings around here, this is frigging march! |
| 15:50.08 | simonrvn | hehe |
| 15:50.10 | FieldySnuts | it's still winter here! |
| 15:50.17 | asg | FieldySnuts: we had one here last night |
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| 15:50.27 | abrotman | FieldySnuts: it's always winter there |
| 15:50.29 | asg | FieldySnuts: minor f1 |
| 15:50.31 | calin | FieldySnuts: Maybe ol' jack frost had mexican? |
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| 15:50.40 | aidehua | It's March here. |
| 15:50.41 | simonrvn | FieldySnuts: we're getting unseasonably cold weather here. it's -17 C right now - at 10:50 am |
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| 15:51.01 | peetah | how can i compress a file as .tar.gz or .bz2 ? |
| 15:51.12 | abrotman | man gzip .. man bzip2 |
| 15:51.12 | Sjimmie | use tar? |
| 15:51.17 | asg | peetah: /msg dpkg tar |
| 15:51.19 | peetah | with maximum compression. |
| 15:51.30 | FieldySnuts | oh these have to be tests. they do that once a while, but it's less than obvious: http://www.crh.noaa.gov/iwx/ |
| 15:51.35 | stew | peetah: bz2 will get your more compression than gz in general |
| 15:51.35 | aidehua | peetah: use gzip *then* use bzip2 |
| 15:51.56 | peetah | Yeah, i'll use the examples from dpkg. |
| 15:52.16 | Sjimmie | tar cjvf alala/ lala.tar.bz2 |
| 15:52.32 | simonrvn | *bazzt* |
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| 15:52.45 | simonrvn | tar ball name first, then dir/files |
| 15:52.49 | greycat | Sjimmie: wrong. |
| 15:53.19 | Sjimmie | it was a wild guess :) |
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| 15:53.44 | stew | aidehua: that would often get you worse compression than just using bz2 |
| 15:53.47 | peetah | Sjimmie: it's the same params if i want to compress a single file? |
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| 15:54.10 | simonrvn | you don't tar one file... |
| 15:54.17 | simonrvn | pointless |
| 15:54.18 | aidehua | stew: I was just joking :) |
| 15:54.19 | peetah | Yes i do |
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| 15:54.22 | peetah | It's a very large database |
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| 15:54.38 | peetah | And i cannot send it untarred because of various reasons i don't need to explain. |
| 15:54.44 | stew | aidehua: you never know in here :) |
| 15:54.46 | simonrvn | tar is not compression |
| 15:54.59 | Delph | tar is concantenation of multiple files into one long file. |
| 15:55.11 | Delph | (plus or minus) |
| 15:55.18 | simonrvn | it's an archival file format |
| 15:55.20 | greycat | plus metadata and padding to 10k |
| 15:55.37 | Ridley | hi folks, just installed Debian Sarge (ker 2.6.8), I'd like to login by shell (and not by Gnome screen) and loading KDE instead of Gnome by typing startx. Does anyone know? :) |
| 15:55.47 | asg | Ridley: /msg dpkg nodm |
| 15:55.52 | greycat | tar(1) - tape file archiver |
| 15:55.52 | Ridley | tnx |
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| 15:56.04 | greycat | That's what it is, despite what the idiots at GNU say it is. |
| 15:56.06 | simonrvn | it's like gzipping an empty file. you'll lose more space than you're saving (if it's asmall enough file) |
| 15:56.13 | greycat | tar (1) - The GNU version of the tar archiving utility |
| 15:56.18 | greycat | fucking circular definitions |
| 15:56.27 | asg | greycat: that's GNU for you |
| 15:56.52 | nevyn | heh |
| 15:57.05 | kink | peetah: so you just need to "bzip2 yourfilename" and you'll get yourfilename.bz2 |
| 15:57.09 | simonrvn | fucking fucking fuck fucks |
| 15:57.18 | greycat | you forgot fucked. |
| 15:57.19 | asg | simonrvn: with nuts? |
| 15:57.24 | humbolt | what for is there an apache an apache-ssl and an apache-perl package? what if I want an apache running with perl and ssl? and which init script do I actually start?? |
| 15:57.30 | simonrvn | fucking fucking fuck fucks fucked with nuts |
| 15:57.37 | sussudio | crunchy nuts? |
| 15:57.47 | asg | humbolt: use mod_perl and/or mod_ssl |
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| 15:57.52 | simonrvn | fucking fucking fuck fucks fucked with crunchy nuts |
| 15:57.56 | peetah | shut tha fuck up you fucking slutfucker hoe fuck |
| 15:58.04 | humbolt | but what are those packages for |
| 15:58.06 | aidehua | peetah: no need to swear |
| 15:58.13 | peetah | (: |
| 15:58.13 | humbolt | what i the idea behind them? |
| 15:58.18 | asg | humbolt: compiled in, not as modules |
| 15:58.25 | humbolt | I see |
| 15:58.47 | Kerr | can anyone reccomend a good gui cd rewriter package? |
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| 15:59.02 | simonrvn | cdrecord in an xterm |
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| 15:59.39 | vladkao | simonrvn: that would be very eye-candy :-) |
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| 15:59.55 | jjazz_ | On my new debian install, a root dir was created, /media with mount points for cdroms and floppy. I mount my media elsewhere. Can I use this /media dir for something else (i.e. to mount my multimedia hard drive), or is /media expected to be left alone? |
| 15:59.55 | Space_NL | can i unselect enlightenment while it is running on a different pc ? (hence, can i ssh in to the machine and remove enlightenment ?) |
| 15:59.57 | simonrvn | vladkao: depending on your window theme ;p |
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| 16:00.35 | vladkao | xfce-curve :-) |
| 16:00.45 | Space_NL | second question, what desktop enviroment is a good desktop for sarge ? |
| 16:00.45 | aidehua | ratpoison! |
| 16:00.54 | simonrvn | Space_NL: it'll still be in memory. don't ask it to access any still on-disk data from itself however |
| 16:00.54 | vladkao | Space_NL: mine :-)) |
| 16:00.56 | PerfDave | Space_NL: Whichever one you want. |
| 16:01.22 | jjazz_ | Space_NL: Yes, but it might do weird things. |
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| 16:01.54 | jjazz_ | Space_NL: I am newly fond of icewm, but that's just me. |
| 16:01.55 | Space_NL | oke .. but i cant seem to close X on the other machine .. as i can only log out .. not actualy close it and go back to console .. |
| 16:02.08 | Evaso | hi, how could i put my debian system to another bigger hardisk? |
| 16:02.13 | jsm | jjazz: you can use it for whatever you want |
| 16:02.24 | Delph | Evaso: dd |
| 16:02.27 | jjazz_ | Space_NL: Does it keep asking you to log in again? If so, you need to shutdown xdm, gdm or kdm. |
| 16:02.30 | jjazz_ | jsm: Thanks much |
| 16:02.32 | jsm | jjazz: so long as you tell your /etc/fstab not to use /media for you floppy and cdrom |
| 16:02.33 | R | I've gotten a lot further with cvs since my questions this morning (thanks for the help!). I know how I want it but I want to know if there are any pitfalls I should be aware of: our office uses a number of window$ workstations and a debian server that we use for webdevelopment. users access the files (html/ php/ css etc) with samba and test using the apache config on the server. Now I've... |
| 16:02.35 | R | ...developed a system I placed in /usr/share/php and symlinked from a samba shared disks. I use CVS on this. users will use wincvs as a GUI to the server to commit the changes, are there are pitfalls if they would use the symlinked dir on the samba share as a working dir? |
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| 16:02.57 | Delph | or possibly just copy, if you're changing around the partition sizes as well. |
| 16:02.59 | jjazz_ | jsm: Ya, editing fstab now. |
| 16:03.01 | Evaso | Delph: i need to create partitions on the new one? |
| 16:03.34 | sniffy | R, Not really as I recall. |
| 16:03.58 | sml | using LVM is far better than any sym-link strategy IMHO (LHO). |
| 16:04.19 | stew | jjazz_: /media is for fhs 2.3 compliance, you of course can do whatever you want with your system, but you might find that hotplug still wants to mess with /media |
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| 16:04.48 | R | sniffy: that would be great |
| 16:04.50 | jjazz_ | stew: I know nothing of fhs 2.3... I'll look it up. Thanks. |
| 16:04.59 | stew | jjazz_: /msg dpkg fhs |
| 16:05.07 | simonrvn | @fhs |
| 16:05.08 | ravenbird | i guess fhs is the Filesystem Hierarchy Standard and is at http://www.pathname.com/fhs/, or included in the debian-policy package |
| 16:05.34 | stew | jjazz_: like hotplug might still do things like mkdir /media/cdrom0 ; ln -s /media/cdrom0 /media/cdrom... |
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| 16:05.51 | shadebob | I have a problem with a sarge installation. When partman finish is work, it cannot mount / ? someone? |
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| 16:06.13 | sml | the fhs is unfortunately wide open to interpretation a bit like the law :-) |
| 16:06.29 | jjazz_ | stew: Ah... well, that's ok... my media drive contains mp3s and movies, so a cdrom0 dir amidst that stuff isn't a problem. |
| 16:06.30 | sml | debian does a v. good job though (probably only due to the common sense of its developers) |
| 16:08.58 | aidehua | sml: Just OOI, could you give an example of an ambiguity in FHS? |
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| 16:09.43 | humbolt | initscript apache, action "force-reload" failed. How can I turn the reload action of in dpkg |
| 16:09.58 | humbolt | --force-help does not seem to provide the answer |
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| 16:12.45 | valentinos | is there a console programm bittorent-based that alows the user to limit the upload ? |
| 16:13.04 | vhd | Nogen fra Danmark? |
| 16:13.11 | s3itz | I hate you valentinos |
| 16:13.18 | simonrvn | !danish |
| 16:13.18 | dpkg | somebody said danish was better than swedish. To get danish support in KDE do: apt-get install kde-i18n-da, or a damn fine pastry, or #debian-dk, or #linux.dk, or and of course it's better than dutch |
| 16:13.31 | vhd | Jaja... Dansk |
| 16:13.38 | valentinos | mailman is that you :P |
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| 16:13.45 | echostorm | hey all, using debian for the first time (new to linux) im setting up my synaptic package manager and i wanted to add some more repositories (testing/unstable) is there a list of these somewhere? |
| 16:13.51 | vhd | Toyota = Good car |
| 16:13.57 | s3itz | nope, but I might hate you as much as he does :) |
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| 16:14.07 | vhd | Japan is very good to make electronic |
| 16:14.11 | Emilbp | en Dansker her |
| 16:14.19 | vhd | Sådan.... |
| 16:14.20 | asg | echostorm: you either use stable or testing (don't mix). Don't use sid at this point (/msg dpkg sid faq) |
| 16:14.21 | soccos | how do I turn off usb-storage debugging? |
| 16:14.24 | valentinos | echostorm, use mine http://www.costsales.com/pub/sources.list |
| 16:14.37 | vhd | Første gang i laaang tid har jeg set en dankser herinde |
| 16:14.38 | stew | valentinos: every console based bt client i have seen allows this |
| 16:15.03 | asg | vhd: the gang is in #debian-dk |
| 16:15.03 | s3itz | valentinos, you just limit it w/ parameters... but that's why I hate you |
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| 16:15.12 | s3itz | It's anti-bittorrent to limit upload IMO |
| 16:15.18 | echostorm | dont mix stable and testing? i am running whatever the daily build for yesterday was (install from net cd) so i guess thats testing |
| 16:15.27 | valentinos | the originall bt does this |
| 16:15.28 | simonrvn | !bobbitt |
| 16:15.28 | dpkg | Remember Lorena Bobbitt? Remember what she did to her husband's woody? Well, when you install unstable software on your stable woody system, you get the same result. |
| 16:15.30 | directhex | valentinos, that is the worst sources.list i have ever seen. |
| 16:15.57 | schuler | is that possible: a kernel and xfree86 from sid the rest from sarge in a debian installation? |
| 16:16.10 | FieldySnuts | @pee on woody |
| 16:16.12 | directhex | schuler, yes. |
| 16:16.14 | stew | schuler: yes, /msg dpkg quick sid/sarge mix |
| 16:16.20 | asg | directhex: probably from a knoppix install |
| 16:16.23 | humbolt | now my second apache seqfaults too! |
| 16:16.23 | valentinos | dont ise it |
| 16:16.48 | simonrvn | goddamn, woody sarge and sid all being used? that is SICK |
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| 16:16.59 | asg | simonrvn: and backports too |
| 16:17.04 | directhex | and no deb-src |
| 16:17.12 | stew | and experimental |
| 16:17.22 | simonrvn | *shudder*. mine's large too, but at least it makes sense |
| 16:17.26 | echostorm | lol i really just wanted testing lol |
| 16:17.30 | aidehua | simonrvn: fnar |
| 16:17.47 | simonrvn | aidehua: que? |
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| 16:17.49 | asg | echostorm: then just make sure the 2 or 3 lines in /etc/apt/sources.list are testing or sarge and you will be just fine. |
| 16:18.00 | aidehua | Oo-er missus: <simonrvn> *shudder*. mine's large too, but at least it makes sense |
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| 16:18.11 | echostorm | yeah they are, they say main which is why i was concerned |
| 16:18.11 | simonrvn | aidehua: .. |
| 16:18.15 | deadline | hi, how can i manage with gdm login to start the windowmanager from .xinitrc? |
| 16:18.19 | PerfDave | Wow, GIMP keeps getting these groovy UI tweaks in the 2.x releases. |
| 16:18.19 | echostorm | i figured i needed to add to em |
| 16:18.22 | asg | simonrvn: veiled sexual reference |
| 16:18.22 | aidehua | Sorry, automatic 15 year old smutty brain response. |
| 16:18.27 | simonrvn | aidehua: NOYB :) |
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| 16:19.10 | simonrvn | PerfDave: yeh the small themes is actually small now ;p |
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| 16:19.14 | aidehua | simonrvn: mine is short and avoids anything experimental |
| 16:19.15 | simonrvn | theme* |
| 16:19.18 | stew | deadline: ln -s .xinitrc .xsession |
| 16:19.32 | echostorm | and security is firewalls and admin stuff? |
| 16:19.38 | simonrvn | aidehua: well, i help test a lot hence i have experimental stuff |
| 16:19.42 | stew | echostorm: /msg dpkg security |
| 16:19.44 | schuler | directhex,stew: thanks |
| 16:19.46 | deadline | stew thx |
| 16:19.47 | asg | echostorm: no, security updates for all package but there aren't any for sarge/testing yet |
| 16:19.53 | bigdick | How complete are the Beowulf packages? |
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| 16:20.21 | deadline | stew: what do i have to choose in gdm login? default or last? |
| 16:20.22 | aidehua | simonrvn: I wasn't talking about my sources.list :) |
| 16:20.42 | stew | deadline: i don't know what that means |
| 16:20.57 | simonrvn | you must mistake me for someone who cares |
| 16:21.08 | deadline | stew: in gdm you can choose your window manager to start with when you login |
| 16:21.25 | stew | deadline: i dunno then |
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| 16:21.49 | deadline | stew: ok thanks so far |
| 16:21.54 | simonrvn | FieldySnuts: you ever done BGP configuration? |
| 16:22.04 | simonrvn | like in quagga or cisco? |
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| 16:22.40 | PerfDave | Oh wow, when you try to close an unsaved image window, GIMP tells you how many minutes' work you're about to lose ;) |
| 16:22.53 | abrotman | eww .. gtk apps! |
| 16:23.02 | echostorm | hey that worked... thanx valentinos |
| 16:23.05 | simonrvn | there's a few other little tweaks here and there |
| 16:23.10 | vladkao | what's wrong with gtk ? gtk 2 is pretty good |
| 16:23.16 | abrotman | vladkao: it was a joke |
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| 16:23.46 | vladkao | ah, ok |
| 16:23.49 | vladkao | good :-) |
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| 16:23.50 | yaaar | word |
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| 16:24.00 | simonrvn | wird |
| 16:24.24 | abrotman | weird |
| 16:24.34 | simonrvn | abrotman |
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| 16:24.47 | simonrvn | spam bot |
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| 16:25.07 | abrotman | simonrvn: i am not |
| 16:25.14 | simonrvn | !ops Qzuruv is a spam bot (Mqvnj@147.91.205.81) |
| 16:25.15 | asg | abrotman: beerbot? |
| 16:25.17 | abrotman | Qzuruv: what do you want? |
| 16:25.17 | dpkg | Hydroxide, bob2, caphuso, dondelelcaro, doogie, eeyore-, ElectricElf, greycat, helix, ljlane, LoRez, mentor, Netsnipe, TML, walters, xk: Qzuruv is a spam bot (Mqvnj@147.91.205.81) |
| 16:25.23 | simonrvn | asg: mmmm |
| 16:25.27 | asg | simonrvn: indeed |
| 16:25.28 | abrotman | asg: wife ? |
| 16:25.31 | echostorm | ok can anyone suggest appropriate files for the equivelant of a codec pack? i need lame mp3 decoding/encoding xvid divx ogg...etc and i am totally lost |
| 16:25.43 | bigdick | How complete is the Beowulf clustering system for Debian? |
| 16:25.53 | echostorm | i assume i cant use a windows pack here |
| 16:25.54 | asg | abrotman: haha, I'm the beer delivery portion of this relation ship, she does the food. |
| 16:25.57 | petemc | echostorm: w32codecs from marillat |
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| 16:26.01 | abrotman | asg: good trade |
| 16:26.03 | simonrvn | thank you whomever k-lined it |
| 16:26.09 | LoRez | you're welcome |
| 16:26.10 | aidehua | Bah. Spambots. I've been meaning to look up the freenode thing for banning private messages from non auth'd users. |
| 16:26.11 | asg | abrotman: yeah, she's a great cook |
| 16:26.17 | asg | abrotman: /topic |
| 16:26.19 | asg | bah |
| 16:26.21 | asg | aidehua: /topic |
| 16:26.31 | LoRez | aidehua: /umode +E |
| 16:26.32 | aidehua | *blush* |
| 16:26.41 | echostorm | thanx :) oh and one other... is there anyway to disable the useless resource smily face thing once yu start it (in kde) |
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| 16:27.04 | ben_ | hi all, I'd like to know how to activate dma for my hd at boot time... I use kernel-image-2.4.18-1-k7 and it doesn't. I have to use hdparm manualy |
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| 16:27.17 | asg | abrotman: whe had steamed sea bass with herb scalloped potatoes the other night |
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| 16:27.38 | asg | ben_: then just put the hdparm line in a custom sysvinit script |
| 16:27.42 | simonrvn | asg: *drool* |
| 16:27.42 | asg | ben_: /msg dpkg rc.local |
| 16:27.56 | asg | simonrvn: :) |
| 16:27.59 | abrotman | asg: sounds yummy... |
| 16:28.14 | abrotman | asg: last fish i had was mustard/maple syrup variety |
| 16:28.15 | echostorm | oh..right click. wow i suck |
| 16:28.24 | ben_ | asg: k, thanks |
| 16:28.26 | asg | abrotman: :) |
| 16:28.32 | abrotman | asg: very very yummu |
| 16:28.32 | asg | ben_: you're welcome |
| 16:28.42 | asg | sounds it |
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| 16:29.52 | asg | abrotman: looks like postfix is actually starting to have some nifty features |
| 16:29.58 | abrotman | asg: duh :) |
| 16:30.07 | asg | abrotman: been a while since I looked at it, admittedly |
| 16:30.17 | abrotman | asg: iknow .. it wouldn't do your rewrite thingie iirc |
| 16:30.29 | calin | Is themove fromt he linux kernel 2.6.10 to 2.6.11 worth it? |
| 16:30.43 | asg | abrotman: it won't now but that should be hackable with content filters |
| 16:30.45 | thomas_adam | calin: if it fixes your spacebar, then, yes. |
| 16:31.07 | asg | abrotman: the policy daemon framework is rather nifty |
| 16:31.50 | calin | thomas_adam: My spacebar is logically fine, but it's an old keyboard |
| 16:32.51 | directhex | calin, depends whether you have an Infiniband interconnect you want support for |
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| 16:35.45 | abrotman | asg: and the people in #postfix are pretty helpful :) |
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| 16:36.41 | echostorm | hmmn i cant configure up past 800x600 (which is fine for my 15in monitor but i cant select apply on a few menus ... i can go down to 800 by 600 but not up, can anyone make a suggestion? |
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| 16:37.13 | simonrvn | asg: do you have any experience with sendmail ? |
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| 16:37.21 | stew | !drxx echostorm |
| 16:37.21 | dpkg | echostorm: dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xfree86 (as root) |
| 16:37.22 | abrotman | enough ,, |
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| 16:37.29 | petemc | simonrvn: you jumping ship? |
| 16:37.41 | echostorm | ok thanx :) |
| 16:38.02 | simonrvn | petemc: nah, just curious. i'm keeping exim on my MX, just want to see other things |
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| 16:38.25 | petemc | simonrvn: postfix is worth a play from what ive been told |
| 16:38.26 | abrotman | simonrvn: it's not that bad .. it just takes work |
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| 16:38.38 | abrotman | simonrvn: i agree with petemc .. if you want to try another .. try postfix |
| 16:38.53 | simonrvn | mostly i want to compare their individual ldap features |
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| 16:39.30 | stew | simonrvn: also courier-mta + courier-ldap |
| 16:39.36 | abrotman | simonrvn: you're in luck .. apt-get install postfix-ldap :) |
| 16:39.43 | asg | simonrvn: not much and not in a looong time |
| 16:39.46 | simonrvn | i didn't like courier-ldap much |
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| 16:40.21 | simonrvn | too narrow configuration-wise. though i probably didn't explore it in depth |
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| 16:40.55 | sebd | Hello, does aptitude in command line behave as apt-get ? (aptitude update|dist-upgrade|install|purge) |
| 16:41.05 | directhex | sebd, that's the idea |
| 16:41.12 | travisat | whats the command to manually make a vmlinuz instead of bzImage when compiling a kernel |
| 16:41.14 | LSorensen | sebd: not sure it is exactly the same, but at least it is very very similar |
| 16:41.15 | directhex | sebd, not QUITE the same, but largely |
| 16:41.31 | sebd | directhex: what's the advantage of using aptitude over apt-get then ? |
| 16:41.33 | LSorensen | travisat: huh? it's just renamed |
| 16:41.34 | directhex | travisat, you shoulsdn't care. you should be using make-kpkg |
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| 16:41.49 | drzed | hi there! |
| 16:41.49 | anhi | sebd: cos aptitude is graphical ? (iirc) |
| 16:41.50 | LSorensen | sebd: the ui is not bad in aptitude. I tend to use apt-get most of the time though |
| 16:41.52 | travisat | directhex: I am using make-kpkg, and LSorensen ok |
| 16:42.00 | directhex | sebd, aptitude has better dependancy resolution, tracks unneeded packages |
| 16:42.04 | LSorensen | travisat: make-kpkg just does the right thing. |
| 16:42.15 | LSorensen | travisat: do you mean make-kpkg --zimage instead of --bzimage? |
| 16:42.28 | sebd | directhex: ok, the distinction between "wanted" packages and "needed" ones ? |
| 16:42.32 | travisat | directhex: I am trying to dual boot another linux install along with my debian install |
| 16:42.38 | LSorensen | travisat: when you install the deb make-kpkg created then it installes the kernel as /boot/vmlinuz-version |
| 16:42.52 | directhex | sebd, between recommended & suggested. |
| 16:42.57 | simonrvn | petemc: R=cyrus_virtual_domains T=cyrus_ltcp # total LDAP lookup |
| 16:42.57 | drzed | i guess i have some serious problem on one of my sarge boxes: 'apt-get upgrade' returns: |
| 16:43.00 | drzed | Reading Package Lists... Done |
| 16:43.00 | drzed | Segmentation faulty Tree... 50% |
| 16:43.05 | sebd | directhex: ok thanks you |
| 16:43.10 | travisat | LSorensen: I don't want to install the kernel for my debian install, but for a different linux install |
| 16:43.17 | petemc | simonrvn: nice, i use neither cyrus or ldap :) |
| 16:43.25 | LSorensen | drzed: then either apt-get or dpkg is broken, or a lib they use is broken, or your package files are busted |
| 16:43.48 | stew | drzed: or you have bad memory |
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| 16:44.10 | drzed | hmm i guess so: aptitude returns now |
| 16:44.14 | drzed | Ouch! Got SIGSEGV, dying.. |
| 16:44.15 | drzed | Segmentation fault |
| 16:44.21 | LSorensen | travisat: make-kpkg is for making kernel images for installing on debian systems. If it's not for debian, you might as well just use make bzimage and stuff and do it all manually as those systems expect you to do, or you can use dpkg-deb -x kernel-image-....deb somedir, to extract it and then tar and copy over the files that way |
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| 16:45.06 | coywolf` | are there any text based smtp good email client? |
| 16:45.10 | asg | coywolf`: mutt |
| 16:45.31 | coywolf` | asg, mutt support smtp? |
| 16:45.33 | travisat | LSorensen: thats what I did, the manual way, and I get an invalid compressed format when trying to boot the bzImage, I thought that maybe vmlinuz image were diffent |
| 16:45.39 | asg | coywolf`: it doesn't do smtp per se but you can easily use ssmtp or nullmailer to hand off to a smarthost |
| 16:45.52 | asg | coywolf`: or just configure your local machine mta to do routing for you |
| 16:46.06 | coywolf` | thanks asg |
| 16:46.12 | asg | coywolf`: you're welcome |
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| 16:47.59 | alamar | hi |
| 16:48.27 | alamar | how can i allow hosts in my lan to connect to my mysql-database server? because at the moment connections from other hosts are denied |
| 16:49.18 | stew | alamar: comment out skip_networking in /etc/mysql/my.cnf |
| 16:49.23 | asg | alamar: comment 'bind-address' in /etc/mysql/my.cnf |
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| 16:50.17 | alamar | i`m having this:" |
| 16:50.17 | alamar | i`m having this:"bind-address = 192.168.0.133 |
| 16:50.20 | alamar | in my config |
| 16:50.23 | alamar | to allow network access |
| 16:50.53 | alamar | stew: seems that this is obsolete or something like that because in the config they tell me that instead of skip-netwoorking they are using bind address now |
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| 16:51.44 | asg | alamar: then you are using sarge/sid (stew's advice was for stable) |
| 16:52.00 | slocate | anybody knows of a _free_ linux pcanywhere client |
| 16:52.01 | asg | alamar: did you provide proper 'GRANT' info for your remote users? |
| 16:52.16 | asg | slocate: ewww, pcanywhere |
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| 16:52.41 | petemc | slocate: pcanywhere is a commercial product, there are alternatives |
| 16:53.02 | alamar | asg: as I`m asking myself how to do that it doesn`t seem like i did it |
| 16:53.24 | slocate | petemc: i know, but right now that's what i'm connecting to |
| 16:53.25 | asg | alamar: look at the mysql-doc package (it provides nice information on how to use GRANT to provide the access you need.) |
| 16:53.41 | alamar | okay, thx |
| 16:54.03 | asg | alamar: also, #mysql can fill in any specifics you have trouble with in that department if the docs don't |
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| 16:56.14 | docgnome | Er... Stupid question, but how do I close wvdial when i'm done with it. I'm running it in a terminal... I know I can close the terminal or do a ctrl+c but i'm wondering if there is a differnt way heh. |
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| 16:57.18 | asg | docgnome: does the manpage not list a 'key' used to do that? |
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| 16:57.57 | docgnome | asg: Not that i saw... unless i'm being stupid. *looks again* |
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| 16:58.46 | docgnome | asg: *mutter* yeah. i'm bein stupid. |
| 16:58.56 | asg | docgnome: :) |
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| 16:59.23 | superSSS | Is anyone using rrdtool for monitoring? |
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| 16:59.38 | asg | !anyone |
| 16:59.38 | dpkg | ***anyone: No such nick/channel - and yes, there probably is someone, somewhere, who knows or runs it; that doesn't mean *I* do. |
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| 17:01.24 | SerpentWolf | guys, would this kernel work [ kernel-image-2.4.27-2-586tsc - Linux kernel image for version 2.4.27 on Pentium-Classic |
| 17:01.30 | SerpentWolf | for a pentium 133/16 Mb ram ? |
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| 17:02.35 | bigdick | Can debian mount SCO server partitions? |
| 17:02.57 | SerpentWolf | check man mount |
| 17:02.57 | greycat | what happened when you tried? |
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| 17:03.15 | bigdick | haven't tried |
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| 17:03.40 | stonie | hi all |
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| 17:03.49 | Space_NL | so i installed icewm .. its up and running .. i cna open programs .. but i only see them in the taskbar .. not on the desktop .. when i switch theme i cna see they are there .. and if i make mozilla/firefox fullscreen i can see it to .. but then i can see my taskbar anymore .. how can i solve this problem ? |
| 17:04.10 | asg | SerpentWolf: that kernel should work fine |
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| 17:04.20 | SerpentWolf | thanks asg |
| 17:04.38 | stonie | why am i getting a white globe with xtraceroute? got sarge/gnome2 installed.. on another notebook with nearly the same setup it works.. |
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| 17:05.14 | OutCast3k | Just wondering if there is a fix to the following error someone can help me with. (im trying to update the kernel from 2.4.6 to 2.6.8) the error is... |
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| 17:05.25 | OutCast3k | VFS: Connot open root device "sda1" or unkown-block(8,1) |
| 17:05.25 | OutCast3k | Please append a acorrect "root=" boot option |
| 17:05.25 | OutCast3k | Kernel Panic: VFS: Unable to mount root fs on unbknown-block |
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| 17:05.47 | ariel | hi, anyone know what mean "OpenGL GLX extension not supported by display ':0.0'???? |
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| 17:06.39 | OutCast3k | anyone? |
| 17:07.11 | greycat | ariel: it means "no 3d for you!" |
| 17:07.14 | superSSS | Space_NL: your mozilla overflows your icewm taskbar? |
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| 17:07.54 | stew | OutCast3k: did you compile the kernel yourself or apt-get it? |
| 17:07.55 | ariel | I need a 3D card? |
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| 17:08.04 | OutCast3k | stew, apt-get. |
| 17:08.05 | greycat | OpenSSH 4.0 has just been released. |
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| 17:08.17 | stew | OutCast3k: then you probably forgot to tell your bootloader about the initrd |
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| 17:08.58 | llahm | Hello. I am trying to perform some time zone conversions using the C library (standard, no GNU extensions). I need to be able to get the GMT zone offset in effect at the time represented by an epoch value. Currently I have only found a way to do it with the offset in effect at the present time. How can this be done? |
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| 17:09.10 | OutCast3k | hmmm. sec. (i'll take a look) thanks stew |
| 17:09.31 | asg | llahm: did you ask #c yet? |
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| 17:10.58 | llahm | asg: no but i am working on that in parallel |
| 17:10.59 | calin | I'm setting up bootsplash with my 2.6.10 kernel, and when I reboot (after having installed the files, made a initrd.splash, edited my grub, and reconfigured/reconpiled my kernel) I don't get a boot splash, can someone /msg me or troubleshoot with me? |
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| 17:11.19 | stonie | any idea? |
| 17:11.20 | Laibsch | Anybody here that has some experience with getting Japanese text to display in Mozilla on an English Linux system (Debian Sarge). I do have Japanese fonts installed as verified with xlsfonts|grep jisx as suggested by http://www.suse.de/~mfabian/suse-cjk/fonts-x11-core-japanese.html but cannot choose them from 'Edit - Preferences - General - Fonts'. same with gaim for IRC. |
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| 17:11.47 | directhex | calin, have you passed splash=silent as a boot parameter, patched your sysv script, enabled ALL the parts of the kernel needed by bootsplash, and used a known working splash such as newlinux ? |
| 17:12.03 | superSSS | greycat: how long will it take, untill ssh 4.0 is available as package? |
| 17:12.43 | c4_ | i have downloaded the cdrom flavor from debian, and im trying to install: c:\linux\loadlin c:\linux\vmlinuz root=/dev/ram initrd=c:\linux\initrd.gz, but the ram-disk has 16M and initrd request 18M!!, can i change the ram-disk size by a command or i have to recompile the vmlinuz kernel? |
| 17:13.08 | greycat | !when will ssh 4.0 be released |
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| 17:13.08 | dpkg | Hold on, let me get some tarot cards... ok, ssh 4.0 should be out by next year. |
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| 17:13.10 | calin | directhes: I'm going to try using newlinux, then comeback here ifit doesn't work |
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| 17:13.33 | directhex | !when will Duke Nukem Forever be released |
| 17:13.33 | calin | sorry about allt he screwed up spacing also, it's a really old keyboard, i spilled coffee and god knows what ont he othe rone |
| 17:13.33 | dpkg | Hold on, let me get some entrails... ok, Duke Nukem Forever should be out by next year. |
| 17:13.43 | directhex | lies! |
| 17:13.52 | greycat | must've used a gentoo user's entrails |
| 17:14.01 | superSSS | greycat: I mean, why there is not a .deb for it yet |
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| 17:14.11 | greycat | superSSS: please stop being a nitwit. |
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| 17:14.19 | tezem | on mldonkey_files --split Fasttrack -f0 files.ini -f1 files.ini.fasttrack -f2 files.ini I get Fatal error: exception Failure("int_of_string"). Whats up? |
| 17:14.21 | khanman | calin: you know you can wash that keyboard right? just make sure its 1000% dry b4 using it again ;) |
| 17:14.33 | greycat | or at least stop choosing me as the personal target of your idiocy |
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| 17:14.38 | calin | Khahan: I need to wash my othe rone, it's wirekless and i liek it better |
| 17:14.45 | calin | brb, reconfiguring/rebooting |
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| 17:14.53 | superSSS | greycat: haha, its really easy to upset you |
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| 17:15.16 | panda | i need to send out email, ssmtp doesn't support tls |
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| 17:15.19 | panda | help |
| 17:15.24 | c4_ | can i change the ramdisk size /dev/ram by a kernel command or i have to recompile? |
| 17:15.27 | greycat | so use exim |
| 17:15.32 | greycat | or postfix |
| 17:15.42 | liplock | can wget be used to mirror a whole site? |
| 17:15.48 | directhex | superSSS, greycat has a low tollerance for idiocy. it makes him disgruntled. unfortunately, i don't think he's ever been gruntled in #debian |
| 17:15.49 | greycat | man wget |
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| 17:15.58 | c4_ | thats wiser |
| 17:16.00 | gridline | HI, I know how to copy a dvd to disk and home to write it from disk to a dvd, btu I can't find how to empty a DVD+RW for reuse. What did I miss? |
| 17:16.06 | panda | i prefper no deamon running greycat |
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| 17:16.19 | ravenbird | ROOOOOOOT has landed! |
| 17:16.26 | greycat | botfight! |
| 17:16.36 | panda | i want to send email with a text based smtp client |
| 17:16.42 | panda | i want to send email with a text based smtp(tls) client |
| 17:16.44 | c4_ | gridline: check for a -erase command or something |
| 17:16.45 | greycat | what the FUCK. |
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| 17:17.22 | c4_ | gridline: i have read something about rewriting somewere... |
| 17:17.26 | greycat | panda: write one. NEXT! |
| 17:17.27 | c4_ | gridline: let me see... |
| 17:17.29 | jair_11 | hello guys I am getting a meesage error from the cron daily |
| 17:17.33 | panda | asg, ideas? |
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| 17:17.47 | stew | !any ideas |
| 17:17.48 | dpkg | Yeah, I have an idea! But I'll need a bag full of string, a little vegemite, and 42 rabid badgers. And keep the KGB off my back for the next few minutes! |
| 17:17.58 | asg | panda: why is using a local mta such a problem? |
| 17:18.08 | caphuso | wrong question |
| 17:18.21 | panda | asg, ssmtp doesnt support tls |
| 17:18.30 | calin | Okay, i swapped to newlinux, but it still didn't work. Any other ideas? |
| 17:18.31 | caphuso | real question: why are you whining about not wanting to run a daemon when nobody forces you to run exim as daemon? |
| 17:18.33 | jair_11 | anyone can give me a hand with this weird error |
| 17:18.36 | asg | panda: then use an mta that does, like postfix, exim, etc. |
| 17:18.40 | jair_11 | on the mail spool cron |
| 17:18.43 | stonie | why am i getting a white globe with xtraceroute? got sarge/gnome2 installed.. on another notebook with nearly the same setup it works.. |
| 17:18.45 | jair_11 | cron daily |
| 17:18.52 | greycat | jair_11: put it all on one line. |
| 17:19.16 | panda | asg, should i choose exim or exim4 or postfix? |
| 17:19.18 | c4_ | gridline: yes!, in the menuconfig from kernel makeing, i have read something about not supporting stuff... of rewriting in dvds or something... check out the <HELP> thing in make menuconfig \ cdrom-dvd stuff |
| 17:19.18 | jair_11 | greycat: http://pastebin.com/251434 |
| 17:19.32 | calin | panda: i usepostfix and i haven't seen any problems with it |
| 17:19.39 | asg | panda: that's for you to decide. Both are relatively easy to install and configure. |
| 17:19.53 | jair_11 | greycat: this is the error http://pastebin.com/251434 |
| 17:19.55 | gridline | :( thats c4_ |
| 17:19.57 | panda | calin, does it have a deamon running? |
| 17:20.04 | gridline | thanks that is |
| 17:20.09 | c4_ | greycat: can i change the ram-disk space by a kernel command? or have to recompile? |
| 17:20.12 | greycat | panda: what is your dysfunction? |
| 17:20.14 | calin | panda: postfix? |
| 17:20.32 | panda | calin, y |
| 17:20.35 | panda | calin, yup |
| 17:20.41 | panda | greycat, ??? |
| 17:20.43 | calin | panda: I see only one |
| 17:20.46 | greycat | !dict dysfunction |
| 17:20.48 | c4_ | gridline: check for changelog in new kernels |
| 17:21.00 | jair_11 | greycat: and before that error I was having this one: http://pastebin.com/251435 |
| 17:21.03 | petemc | dict hasnt worked for a while |
| 17:21.08 | greycat | @dict dysfunction |
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| 17:21.12 | calin | panda: there's a postfix process, but there's only one that i can see |
| 17:21.17 | c4_ | sam sam ! missile |
| 17:21.18 | ravenbird | Dictionary 'dysfunction' (medicine) any disturbance in the function of an organ or body part |
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| 17:21.56 | greycat | * Improved sftp(1) client, including bugfixes and optimisations for the |
| 17:21.56 | greycat | <PROTECTED> |
| 17:22.01 | greycat | \o/ |
| 17:22.08 | asg | jair_11: are you really running smail? |
| 17:22.11 | panda | calin, asg i like one as simple as ssmtp, no deamon running |
| 17:22.12 | jair_11 | greycat: then I delete the "`^" here -> `^uid=0(root)': using `^' |
| 17:22.13 | calin | will someone /msg me and assist? I'm slow sometimes and I'm losing what people have said to me |
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| 17:22.23 | jair_11 | asg: hmmm smail |
| 17:22.25 | greycat | !msgyou |
| 17:22.26 | c4_ | how do i tell apt to tell me more about something |
| 17:22.29 | calin | panda: but is ssmtp a full mta? |
| 17:22.30 | greycat | !msg you |
| 17:22.30 | jair_11 | I don't know? |
| 17:22.37 | greycat | bah. |
| 17:22.46 | panda | calin, i only need tls smtp |
| 17:22.49 | greycat | dpkg, msgyou is <reply> NO, nobody is going to /msg you. If you need private help, pay someone. |
| 17:22.49 | dpkg | greycat: okay |
| 17:22.55 | asg | c4_: /msg dpkg <factoid> |
| 17:22.57 | nite613 | If I have Seagate Travan tape drive, normal frontloading lowend jobie and throw a cleaning catridge in it, do I need to issue any `mt` commands to get it to clean properly? |
| 17:22.58 | caphuso | panda: so fucking use exim and don't run the daemon, where's the frigging problem? |
| 17:23.01 | jpeg | greycat, maybe you should talke a walk and calm down or something... unless you're having fun. |
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| 17:23.07 | jair_11 | greycat: you will help me with the error? |
| 17:23.16 | greycat | jair_11: unlikely. I haven't even read it. |
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| 17:23.20 | jair_11 | hahah |
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| 17:23.24 | jair_11 | greycat: ok |
| 17:23.25 | calin | greycat: yeah, get off your high-horse asshole, first you tell people don't msg w/o asking,t hen you tell people no /msging at all. fuck you. |
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| 17:23.45 | greycat | jair_11: there's a huge burden to overcome in clicking on a URL, pasting it into a web browser, scrolling past the crap, and then reading it, vs. just seeing it in the channel. |
| 17:23.49 | greycat | !tell noxfound about msg |
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| 17:24.02 | c4_ | damn! |
| 17:24.12 | jair_11 | greycat: do you want me to msg to you? |
| 17:24.16 | jair_11 | esier |
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| 17:24.23 | greycat | !faq jair_11 |
| 17:24.24 | dpkg | jair_11: http://www.linuks.mine.nu/debian-faq-wiki/ |
| 17:24.36 | c4_ | asg: can i change the ramdisk space by kernel command? |
| 17:24.47 | calin | greycat: learnt o help people with you OWN words, not everyone learns by reading shit |
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| 17:25.12 | asg | c4_: man 7 bootparam |
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| 17:25.19 | stew | calin: thats asinine |
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| 17:25.21 | c4_ | cool |
| 17:25.24 | caphuso | calin: no, on IRC you learn by listening... |
| 17:25.25 | asg | calin: that's the unix way |
| 17:25.26 | zinx | calin: the point of this channel (and most others on IRC) is collaborative help; everyone in the channel can provide information, instead of relying on a single person, who may make a mistake or miss something that's obvious to someone else. when you single out someone and talk to them via msg, that will be uncaught and you may waste quite a bit of both of your time. |
| 17:25.43 | caphuso | calin: oh, wait, no, you don't. you learn by reading too |
| 17:25.52 | calin | well, i don't see any help twards me, all i asked as assistance,a nd i've done 99% of what people have suggested |
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| 17:26.23 | jair_11 | greycat: you will give me a hand on the error or you want me to read all the debian doc? |
| 17:26.26 | asg | calin: that's because nobody but directhex apparently uses splash screens |
| 17:26.28 | soccos | will 'make menuconfig' in kernel-source-2.6.10 base itself on my 2.6.8 config? |
| 17:26.28 | jair_11 | ok |
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| 17:26.38 | calin | I asked if someone cvould /msg me and help with working this out, seeing as i didn't feel like pasting a grub conf into here or any of that junk |
| 17:26.43 | calin | I was attempting to be nice about it |
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| 17:26.48 | greycat | jair_11: Summarize the problem and give the relevant error message, in ONE line, in the channel. |
| 17:27.02 | ben | Hmm, I've juste installed a new kernel-image with apt-get and I obtain "Warning: can't open /etc/mtab: No such file or directory" at boot time. I already solved a bug in /etc/init.d/modutils which caused "modprobe: can't locate module *" message. |
| 17:27.03 | jair_11 | greycat: ok |
| 17:27.19 | sussudio | http://www.daszoeb.net/disksvin.jpg < o_O |
| 17:27.36 | c4_ | asg: that was a good help, thanks, bye |
| 17:27.38 | directhex | asg, hey, only on the HTPC, and that's being plugged into the telly |
| 17:27.39 | zinx | calin: please understand that most of the people in here have grown bitter from years of bad questions and abuse by people supposedly wanting help, but not accepting it when given. |
| 17:27.45 | asg | ben: cat /proc/mounts > /etc/mtab |
| 17:27.50 | asg | directhex: haha :) |
| 17:27.52 | jair_11 | I am getting this error on the cron-daily mail : /etc/cron.daily/smail: |
| 17:27.53 | jair_11 | expr: warning: unportable BRE: `^uid=0(root)': using `^' as the first character |
| 17:28.05 | zinx | calin: if you stay in here a few months answering questions, you'll begin to understand :) |
| 17:28.11 | greycat | sussudio: scary. |
| 17:28.16 | jair_11 | I don't know if I am using smail or not |
| 17:28.25 | jair_11 | I would like to know how to find out |
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| 17:28.39 | greycat | jair_11: dpkg -l smail |
| 17:28.47 | jair_11 | but it looks like in the checkerr I have something wrong |
| 17:28.56 | jair_11 | the "`^" I think |
| 17:28.58 | calin | zinx: I am not one of those people and I don't expect to be treated as someone who doesn't know what they are doing. nor do i expect to be treated in a way as for people to expect from me to not accept assistance. if i didn't want assistance, and all i wanted was to listen to some BS about shit, i'd join #music andgo NE1 GOT MP#Z?!?! |
| 17:29.00 | greycat | it looks like a bug in the /etc/cron.daily/smail script |
| 17:29.05 | sussudio | greycat: i don't think they're scsi either |
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| 17:29.10 | ben | asg: thx, is it a frequent problem? I remember I already had this problem. |
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| 17:29.11 | sussudio | 22 ide drives :-| |
| 17:29.22 | jair_11 | greycat: correct |
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| 17:29.46 | zinx | calin: sadly, it's nearly impossible to tell the difference between someone who actually wants help, and someone who just wants to waste your time -- even the people who pretend to want help don't always know. |
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| 17:30.03 | calin | and i've also been here in this channel a few months answering questions, and i have not had anyproblems with people not taking my assistance |
| 17:30.03 | directhex | asg, i think i should be permitted a penguin on my tv during bootup of the mythtv machine |
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| 17:30.26 | OutCast3k | stew, you here? |
| 17:30.34 | stew | no, i'm over here |
| 17:30.41 | jair_11 | it looks like I have it installed: ii smail 3.2.0.115-5.1 Electronic mail transport system |
| 17:30.43 | OutCast3k | heh |
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| 17:31.08 | OutCast3k | is it ok to pm you? |
| 17:31.24 | jair_11 | greycat: can I pm you? |
| 17:31.26 | CodeWarrior_ | hi friends, I have a doubt: I installed Debian Testing on a x86 box but common users don't have rights to use /dev/lp0 and CUPS show me /dev/unknown-parallel0, so I can't use my parallel printer (HP 610C), any tip ? |
| 17:31.27 | greycat | jair_11: no. |
| 17:31.31 | jair_11 | ok |
| 17:31.31 | stew | OutCast3k: its better if you just keep it in channel, i might go away at any moment |
| 17:31.34 | jair_11 | :( |
| 17:31.41 | calin | zinx: I have so far taken advice from people in the channel, I have also been here a while asking for this, and I know more than one person, utilizing this bootsplash or not, knows how to at least deal with it |
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| 17:31.50 | greycat | jair_11: did you modify the cron.daily script yourself, or has it always been this way? |
| 17:31.51 | OutCast3k | ok |
| 17:31.55 | jair_11 | so you will not be able to understand what is the error crap I am getting |
| 17:32.10 | jair_11 | I modify it |
| 17:32.16 | jair_11 | greycat: I modify it |
| 17:32.20 | greycat | then it's your bug in the script, and you should fix it. |
| 17:32.27 | jair_11 | nope |
| 17:32.31 | greycat | if you don't know how to write shell script, you should read /topic #bash |
| 17:32.35 | asg | directhex: of course |
| 17:32.40 | jair_11 | greycat: before was giving me a different error |
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| 17:32.52 | asg | ben: it should be taken care of automatically but that will fix it |
| 17:32.55 | jair_11 | I will paste the first error before I modify it: |
| 17:33.25 | ben | asg thx again |
| 17:33.29 | asg | ben: you're welcome |
| 17:33.31 | jair_11 | greycat: please the error is more than one line |
| 17:33.34 | OutCast3k | stew, ok, well i've not done a kernel update before, i've managed to fix most of the bugs i've come accross. but im unsure if i've built everything correctly should i have a new initrd.img-2.6.8 (for example) in my /boot directory? (with the older one) |
| 17:33.47 | jair_11 | let me put it on pastebin.com or pm you |
| 17:34.02 | directhex | !flood |
| 17:34.02 | dpkg | Pasting one line is fine. Pasting two lines you can usually get away with. Pasting three lines will get you insulted. Pasting four or more lines will get you kicked. Any questions? If you want to paste, use #flood or http://channels.debian.net/paste/ |
| 17:34.05 | greycat | !smart questions |
| 17:34.05 | dpkg | Go here to find out how to ask intelligent questions: http://www.catb.org/~esr/faqs/smart-questions.html - Be sure to look at the section http://www.catb.org/~esr/faqs/smart-questions.html#before - This FAQ has information to help many users solve their own problem more effectively and to help users interact more effectively with computer experts. |
| 17:34.08 | stew | OutCast3k: yeah. do you use grub or lilo? |
| 17:34.14 | jair_11 | asg: can you help me? |
| 17:34.18 | greycat | !wikifaq jair_11 AskingForHelp |
| 17:34.18 | OutCast3k | stew, grub |
| 17:34.18 | dpkg | jair_11: check out http://www.linuks.mine.nu/debian-faq-wiki/AskingForHelp or if that doesn't work, try http://www.linuks.mine.nu/debian-faq-wiki/ |
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| 17:34.36 | jair_11 | asg: I think is a very simple error just that I never deal with it before |
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| 17:35.11 | asg | jair_11: it looks like the cronjob wants to run as root. It apparently isn't. Look at the crontab and see why. man 5 crontab for info and look at other files in /etc/cron.daily for other format examples |
| 17:35.27 | stew | OutCast3k: make sure /boot/grub/menu.lst has an initrd=/boot/initrd.img-2.6.8 line for the kernel you are trying to boot |
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| 17:35.33 | asg | jair_11: if this is a debian package, checking the bts is also recommended. |
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| 17:36.22 | jair_11 | asg: bts? |
| 17:36.24 | OutCast3k | stew, i dont even see /boot/initrd.img-2.6.8 . should it have been built in the kernel build? or is there something else i need to issue to update this file? or did i miss something. - sorry to be a pain ;) |
| 17:36.27 | asg | jair_11: /msg dpkg bts |
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| 17:36.35 | jair_11 | asg: I am newbie you are making me cry hahaha |
| 17:37.04 | jair_11 | asg: the msg did not work? |
| 17:37.08 | asg | !tell jair_11 about bts |
| 17:37.12 | stew | < stew> OutCast3k: did you compile the kernel yourself or apt-get it? < OutCast3k> stew, apt-get. |
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| 17:37.16 | jair_11 | nope |
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| 17:37.20 | asg | !bts |
| 17:37.20 | dpkg | i guess bts is the Bug Tracking System for Debian packages, http://bugs.debian.org/ or to go directly to the bug page for a particular package, try http://bugs.debian.org/packagename or anyone running unstable who's unable to check the BTS should be shot on sight. apt-get install reportbug, and check out querybts too. sid users, apt-get install apt-listbugs, or ... |
| 17:37.20 | stew | OutCast3k: now you are saying you compiled your kernel? |
| 17:37.25 | stonie | mmh. .why is my xtraceroute-globe just white?! even with --texture im not getting any picture of anything.. |
| 17:37.28 | jair_11 | but thank you |
| 17:37.43 | asg | jair_11: I suggest investing in a non-braindead irc client in the future |
| 17:37.49 | paulswm | jair_11: /msg dpkg bts worked fine for me, I just tried it |
| 17:37.53 | jair_11 | asg: hahaha |
| 17:37.57 | OutCast3k | stew, i used apt-get install, them "make config" it build the .deb packages and i instlled them that way. |
| 17:37.58 | jair_11 | ok |
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| 17:38.04 | nvz | I have a friend I helped him throw together a pc last night, he doesnt have internet, and his old ISA SCSI card linux detects as a WD7000 and says it cannot initalize it.. so he cant access his cans. I am going to give him a 8gb BigFoot IDE drive, I've installed sarge base onto. I am wondering if I should maybe burn him sarge package dvds and let him go on with the new drive from its first boot running base-config? it would save me time of d/l and |
| 17:38.11 | jair_11 | asg I will check on the bts then |
| 17:38.14 | jair_11 | thank you |
| 17:38.17 | asg | you're welcome |
| 17:38.18 | jair_11 | asg: |
| 17:38.32 | stew | OutCast3k: forget initrd then, you forgot to compile in support for either your scsi controller or your root filesystem |
| 17:38.58 | stew | OutCast3k: that stuff needs to be compiled in directly, not as modules |
| 17:39.05 | stew | OutCast3k: any reason why you didn't just apt-get a kernel-image? |
| 17:39.06 | greycat | nvz: sarge doesn't see the SCSI card, or woody doesn't? |
| 17:39.09 | nvz | I figure on DVD, I am only wasting at most 2 disks |
| 17:39.13 | gridline | Ah, it was just growisofs -Z . |
| 17:39.18 | nvz | greycat: I only had knoppix last night. |
| 17:39.25 | greycat | !knoppixsmite nvz |
| 17:39.30 | OutCast3k | stew, i followed some stupid online guide ;) |
| 17:39.34 | nvz | greycat: it see's the card, but the message in dmesg says it cannot be initalized |
| 17:40.02 | nvz | greycat: in any case he wants to try linux and currently doesnt have internet |
| 17:40.22 | paulswm | nvz: presubambly he has different hardware than the system you were running when you installed the base on the 8gb drive, nit sure how much of a difference that makes |
| 17:40.23 | greycat | nvz: so let him keep the 8gig IDE disk and be happy with sarge. Burn him the first ISO. |
| 17:40.27 | soccos | gridline: are you writing to DVD? |
| 17:40.32 | OutCast3k | stew, if you've got a sec, this is basicly cut down version of what i followed: http://anarka.org/linux/debian_kernel.html what way would you recommend? |
| 17:40.46 | stew | OutCast3k: what cpu do you have? |
| 17:40.57 | OutCast3k | dual xeon 3.0ghz |
| 17:41.04 | stew | OutCast3k: apt-get install kernel-image-2.6.8-2-686-smp |
| 17:41.04 | CodeWarrior_ | any help about my problem in /dev/unknown-parallel0 in CUPS ? |
| 17:41.16 | OutCast3k | great |
| 17:41.24 | nvz | paulswm: it should be able to boot, its the installer kernel, mine is an AMD Athlon XP, and his will be either a PII or an AMD k6-2 500 |
| 17:41.37 | OutCast3k | stew, be right back. thanks a lot ;) |
| 17:41.39 | stew | OutCast3k: do you have more than 1G of memory? |
| 17:42.02 | nvz | greycat: yeah, but the first ISO isnt much probably wouldnt be enough to install even gnome, kde, or xfce fully |
| 17:42.05 | OutCast3k | stew, its 1gb atm but will be 2gb soon |
| 17:42.09 | Active2 | Permission denied in replay cache code <- someone know this heimdal error ? |
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| 17:42.17 | paulswm | nvz: Ah, just wasn;t sure how much HW detection the installer did, but he diesn't have a network connection of any sort anyway, and that is what I was mostly thinking of |
| 17:42.31 | paulswm | Scuse awful typing |
| 17:42.33 | nvz | paulswm: he doesnt have net right now, so its not going to matter |
| 17:42.33 | asg | stew: that kernel supports >1g |
| 17:42.39 | paulswm | Spackle Mittens |
| 17:42.44 | stew | asg: oh, neato |
| 17:42.59 | nvz | I am sure he will get dialup or DSL eventually |
| 17:43.00 | stew | OutCast3k: nevermind then, according to asg you shoudl be fine |
| 17:43.05 | asg | stew: yeah |
| 17:43.14 | OutCast3k | stew, sweet. thanks for your help. |
| 17:43.19 | nvz | I just dont want him to miss out on the debian experience just because he's not online right now |
| 17:43.22 | OutCast3k | asg, nice one for confirming that ;) |
| 17:43.50 | stew | asg: is that the smp kernels or all newer kernels? |
| 17:44.16 | paulswm | nvz: I understand, but let's hope he gets DSL becuase the apt-get dist-upgrade experience, for example, will suck mightily on dialup :) |
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| 17:44.27 | asg | stew: CONFIG_HIGHMEM4G=y (from 2.6.8 non-smp) |
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| 17:44.58 | nvz | paulswm: heh. well his roommate already has a PC, and we got him one thrown together last night.. Ideally he wants to setup a debian router to share internet eventually |
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| 17:46.24 | nvz | paulswm: I just thought leaving the hd with nothing but base, so when he puts it in and boots it, it will run base config.. then he can choose his own passwords and usernames.. and getting him package discs for now would be best. I figured burning him a DVD would get him a lot of choices of what to install, without wasting a lot of media |
| 17:46.56 | paulswm | nvz: BTW, I know those Quantum Bigffot drives, a while ago I removed two of them from an old Compaq box, they are possibly the worst 8gb drives ever made, but I won't tell him :) |
| 17:47.03 | paulswm | Bigfoot |
| 17:47.11 | nvz | paulswm: heh, yeah its noisy |
| 17:47.19 | paulswm | And SLOW |
| 17:47.23 | tugrul | hi, i've installed knoppix as debian and now i need to recompile kernel, how can i get correct kernel sources please? or should i get latest 2.4 kernel and use it? |
| 17:47.37 | asg | installed knoppix as debian? |
| 17:47.40 | tugrul | yes |
| 17:47.40 | nvz | paulswm: he's got two 4gb scsi drives.. and the one scsi controller he has doesnt have a bootrom, and the other doesnt seem to work with knoppix anyhow. |
| 17:47.46 | asg | wtf does that mean? |
| 17:47.55 | nvz | means he's clueless |
| 17:47.56 | tugrul | knoppix live cd is installable |
| 17:48.02 | nvz | and its not debian |
| 17:48.08 | nvz | hence the name difference |
| 17:48.09 | paulswm | Spray a dinner plate with oxide, put it in a casing and call it Bigfoot |
| 17:48.11 | tugrul | it's debian based |
| 17:48.15 | asg | paulswm: heh |
| 17:48.17 | nvz | !based on debian |
| 17:48.18 | dpkg | Knoppix, Libranet, Corel/Xandros, Stormix, Progeny, Lindows, DamnSmallLinux, Ubuntu, Kurumin, Agnula, Xebian, and so on are *not* Debian. Just because something's "based on" Debian doesn't mean we can support it. You'll get a Debian answer, and if it doesn't work, you're out of luck. |
| 17:48.18 | greycat | asg: it means "I installed Knoppix and I said it was Debian so you'd answer my questions, even though I'll get all the wrong answers, because I'm not actually running Debian" |
| 17:48.18 | asg | tugrul: /topic |
| 17:48.22 | paulswm | :D |
| 17:48.23 | greycat | asg: but with more lol in it. |
| 17:48.27 | asg | greycat: haha |
| 17:48.36 | tugrul | oh, ok. |
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| 17:49.08 | takatumi | !d-i tugrul |
| 17:49.09 | dpkg | tugrul, you want to go to http://www.debian.org/devel/debian-installer/ - for your own good, and everyone else's. |
| 17:49.12 | tugrul | no, i've tought it's same as debian |
| 17:49.12 | LSorensen | tugrul: knoppix runs from cd just fine, debian won't. obviously something is different in how it works. |
| 17:49.16 | OutCast3k | stew, any ideas... |
| 17:49.16 | OutCast3k | /usr/sbin/mkinitrd: add_modules_dep_2_5: modprobe failed |
| 17:49.17 | OutCast3k | FATAL: Module megaraid2 not found. |
| 17:49.17 | OutCast3k | Failed to create initrd image. |
| 17:49.17 | OutCast3k | dpkg: error processing kernel-image-2.6.8-2-686-smp (--configure): |
| 17:49.17 | OutCast3k | <PROTECTED> |
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| 17:49.19 | nvz | tugrul: there is a knoppix channel -> #knoppix |
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| 17:49.26 | OutCast3k | *sorry* |
| 17:49.34 | asg | B|N>S |
| 17:49.40 | tugrul | ok, thanks anyway |
| 17:49.52 | gridline | Bye |
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| 17:50.18 | raf256 | hi, |
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| 17:50.32 | raf256 | where can I change what services (like apache) does Debian start? |
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| 17:50.55 | takatumi | raf256: rcconf |
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| 17:51.02 | luctor | directhex: around ? |
| 17:51.06 | caphuso | raf256: read /etc/init.d/README |
| 17:51.12 | greycat | !wikifaq raf256 MiscellaneousPage |
| 17:51.13 | dpkg | raf256: check out http://www.linuks.mine.nu/debian-faq-wiki/MiscellaneousPage or if that doesn't work, try http://www.linuks.mine.nu/debian-faq-wiki/ |
| 17:51.31 | nvz | if I wanted to burn a DVD, I could use Jigdo to d/l and create an image, and then just burn it with any burning app? |
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| 17:52.09 | directhex | ? |
| 17:52.10 | raf256 | !takatumi++ |
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| 17:52.22 | duna | ola |
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| 17:52.45 | raf256 | duna: CIAO A TUTTI |
| 17:52.49 | LSorensen | nvz: any that will burn an image to disc direct (which should be most of them) |
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| 17:52.59 | duna | españaaaaaaaaaaa |
| 17:53.02 | LSorensen | nvz: nero calls it 'burn image to disc' I think |
| 17:53.05 | BucWheat | ?ftp_proxy |
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| 17:53.25 | nvz | LSorensen: nero, cute. I _am_ using debian |
| 17:53.27 | BucWheat | nm i got it |
| 17:53.37 | chealer | !tell duna about es |
| 17:53.58 | calin | <PROTECTED> |
| 17:54.07 | PerfDave | nvz: You can burn images with k3b, or cdrecord, or whatever. |
| 17:54.09 | LSorensen | nvz: well growisofs -Z /dev/dvddevice=filename.iso |
| 17:54.19 | LSorensen | nvz: best dvd writing tool in linux |
| 17:54.21 | PerfDave | Why are people going so crazy about bootsplash? |
| 17:54.37 | LSorensen | PerfDave: because windows has a pretty graphic when you reboot, and they think they will reboot a lot |
| 17:54.41 | BucWheat | anyone know how to enable firefox to startup in full screen mode with out any toolbars? |
| 17:54.52 | takatumi | PerfDave: I have pondered that long and hard, still don't get it. |
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| 17:55.02 | nvz | well I guess I have to go locate the jigdo files now |
| 17:55.09 | tezem | anybody is using mldonkey from package tree? |
| 17:55.11 | asg | BucWheat: it depends on your window manager. Some can be configured to provide such things. |
| 17:55.11 | PerfDave | It tells me when I have problems with my system. |
| 17:55.19 | soccos | BucWheat: it's easy with galeon |
| 17:55.19 | PerfDave | tezem: No, nobody is. |
| 17:55.21 | BucWheat | asg i'm using twm |
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| 17:55.31 | BucWheat | lightweight |
| 17:55.44 | BucWheat | soccos that is gnome browser right? |
| 17:55.54 | asg | BucWheat: I was thinking more along the lines of ion but you can check the manpage for twm |
| 17:56.12 | takatumi | asg: back to ion? |
| 17:56.12 | BucWheat | what about dillo? |
| 17:56.14 | Space_NL | oke .. so i removed enlightment (which worked ok, but i didnt like it) en installed icewm .. i can start programs .. but i dont see them .. when i switch theme i can see the programs are running on the background .. also i see then when i run em fullscreen .. but i would like em just in normal windows on my desktop .. what could be wrong ? |
| 17:56.20 | BucWheat | i just installed it and going to check it out now |
| 17:56.24 | BucWheat | asg ion? |
| 17:56.26 | asg | takatumi: just about |
| 17:56.29 | asg | !ion |
| 17:56.29 | dpkg | somebody said ion was http://modeemi.cs.tut.fi/~tuomov/ion/, or smaller than a breadbox |
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| 17:56.48 | soccos | BucWheat: I guess so, it's based on Gecko |
| 17:56.50 | LSorensen | nvz: should be easy to find. |
| 17:56.53 | asg | takatumi: though I may fool around with fvwm before I do |
| 17:57.01 | LSorensen | nvz: at least for debian dvd images |
| 17:57.14 | takatumi | asg: fvwm is the one that I haven't fiddled with yet. |
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| 17:57.44 | soccos | anyone using a usb dvd drive? |
| 17:57.52 | LSorensen | nvz: http://www.debian.org/CD/jigdo-cd/ |
| 17:57.55 | asg | takatumi: it's worth a look |
| 17:58.02 | nvz | LSorensen: I got a fucking dialog when I put in a .jigdo URL, says "Processing of .jigdo files is not yet implemented - only downloads of single files (e.g. .iso images) ..." and the 3 buttons say Cool, Awesome, Fantastic! |
| 17:58.13 | nvz | LSorensen: is what I am mad about |
| 17:58.15 | LSorensen | nvz: use jigdo-lite |
| 17:58.17 | takatumi | asg: I know, that's on my TODO list. :) |
| 17:58.21 | LSorensen | nvz: the gui isn't done yet |
| 17:58.25 | LSorensen | nvz: works just fine |
| 17:58.29 | asg | takatumi: ah, the ever expansive list ;) |
| 17:58.34 | LSorensen | I just run jigdo-lite with the url to the .jigdo file |
| 17:58.39 | LSorensen | nvz: it does the rest |
| 17:58.58 | takatumi | asg: :) |
| 17:59.11 | nvz | LSorensen: where the hell do I get jigdo-lite? its not currently installed, and says there is not package by that name |
| 17:59.12 | LSorensen | nvz: does that help? |
| 17:59.20 | LSorensen | nvz: it is in the jigdo package |
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| 17:59.36 | calin | Do I need anything special to format one of my partitions as fat32 from debian? |
| 17:59.47 | BucWheat | i cannot believe you can't set firefox to fullscreen mode on boot |
| 17:59.52 | nvz | LSorensen: not in sarge, there is only one binary, and its called jigdo |
| 18:00.04 | LSorensen | nvz: I have sarge, and I have jigdo-lite |
| 18:00.31 | nvz | LSorensen: the manpage even says "This version is not yet capable of processing `.jigdo' files - use jigdo-lite(1) for that" |
| 18:00.54 | LSorensen | nvz: oh package jigdo-file |
| 18:01.24 | nvz | ah, thank you :) |
| 18:01.24 | LSorensen | nvz: odd to name it that, but that is the name |
| 18:01.29 | takatumi | BucWheat: try about:config in the address bar, maybe there's some setting to fiddle with. |
| 18:02.01 | Laney | How can I get home/end to work through ssh? It just comes up with a "~" |
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| 18:02.59 | nvz | LSorensen: is this messy? or is it just going to leave me with a single ISO image? |
| 18:03.28 | BucWheat | takatumi will do |
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| 18:04.43 | LSorensen | nvz: should leave you one iso (per jigdo file) |
| 18:04.54 | LSorensen | nvz: and maybe a jigdo cache file (rather small) |
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| 18:05.42 | nvz | LSorensen: it's scaring me so far. its said it needed some 7000+ packages, and said -FINISHED- and started building an image after only getting 10 packages |
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| 18:06.06 | nvz | I think I should just let it go, and not watch |
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| 18:06.21 | [4-tea-2] | any grub wiz here? i'm having a hard time getting around a "/dev/sda does not have any corresponding BIOS drive." on a server (i've deployed grub without problems on dozen of machines before) |
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| 18:07.17 | ben | That's me again. Still errors after switch from 2.4.18-bf24 kernel to 2.4.18-1-k7 with apt-get :\ 3 messages during boot: "insmod: /etc/modules.conf more recent than /lib/modules/xxx/modules.dep", "modprobe: can't locate module *" (from a modprobe -a -t boot \* I think but don't know where) and "modprobe: can't open /etc/mtab: no such file or directory" |
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| 18:07.41 | teh_emo_kid | hey all |
| 18:07.55 | teh_emo_kid | can anyone help me with the debian apache package? |
| 18:08.06 | asg | !tell teh_emo_kid about ask |
| 18:08.25 | teh_emo_kid | I'm trying to run a perl script on the server |
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| 18:08.33 | miausX | hi :) |
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| 18:08.52 | ben | I haven't done something else than installing 3.0r4 from CDs, then apt-get install kernel-image-2.4.18-1-k7 :x |
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| 18:09.02 | BucWheat | how do i just install galeon without the entire gnome WM ? |
| 18:09.05 | LSorensen | nvz: yes it downloads 10 packages at a time, and adds them to the image, then gets 10 more, adds to image, etc |
| 18:09.13 | calin | zion:/home/calin# mkfs.vfat /dev/hda1 mkfs.vfat 2.10 (22 Sep 2003) mkfs.vfat: Attempting to create a too large file system |
| 18:09.16 | calin | wtf? |
| 18:09.16 | asg | BucWheat: apt-get install galeon |
| 18:09.17 | teh_emo_kid | and I think I've fixed all the config files with ample amounts of addhandler cgi-script .cgi |
| 18:09.22 | teh_emo_kid | but the script sitll wont run |
| 18:09.27 | LSorensen | nvz: that way it doesn't take much more space than the image to do. |
| 18:09.39 | BucWheat | asg i do that but it wants to install gnome wm as well |
| 18:09.42 | LSorensen | nvz: only image size + 10 random packages of space |
| 18:09.46 | BucWheat | asg i can't afford the extra bloat |
| 18:10.00 | asg | !depends galeon |
| 18:10.03 | dpkg | galeon: depends on libart-2.0-2 (>= 2.3.16), libatk1.0-0 (>= 1.7.2), libbonobo2-0 (>= 2.8.1), libbonoboui2-0 (>= 2.5.4), libc6 (>= 2.3.2.ds1-4), libeel2-2 (>= 2.8.2), libgail-common (>= 1.6.6), libgail17 (>= 1.6.6), libgcc1 (>= 1:3.4.1-3), libgconf2-4 (>= 2.8.1), libglade2-0 (>= 1:2.4.2-1), libglib2.0-0 (>= 2.6.0), libgnome2-0 (>= 2.8.0), libgnomecanvas2-0 (>= ... |
| 18:10.08 | Space_NL | oke .. so i removed enlightment (which worked ok, but i didnt like it) en installed icewm .. i can start programs .. but i dont see them .. when i switch theme i can see the programs are running on the background .. also i see then when i run em fullscreen .. but i would like em just in normal windows on my desktop .. what could be wrong ? |
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| 18:10.24 | asg | BucWheat: some standard gnomish libs but not the whole lot |
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| 18:10.41 | simmerz | does the evms udeb work properly yet? |
| 18:10.48 | nvz | damn, I should have done this inside screen |
| 18:10.50 | BucWheat | asg ok. it looked like the whole lot to me. got scared when i saw gnome_desktop-data heh |
| 18:10.52 | miausX | calin, you need to tell mkfs that you want a fat32 fs :) |
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| 18:11.07 | asg | BucWheat: that's probably just a dummy package with some readme files |
| 18:11.09 | BucWheat | hopefully i can set galleon to startup in fs mode with no toolbars |
| 18:11.16 | fly_80 | hi all |
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| 18:11.28 | asg | teh_emo_kid: have you asked #apache yet? |
| 18:11.49 | BucWheat | !depends opera |
| 18:11.54 | Space_NL | oke .. lets try different .. how can remove the desktop(picture?) in icewm ? |
| 18:12.05 | asg | BucWheat: you can also /msg the bot |
| 18:12.23 | asg | Space_NL: have you asked in #icewm yet? |
| 18:12.24 | calin | miausX thanks |
| 18:12.32 | BucWheat | asg yea. well opera package doesn't exist anyway heh |
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| 18:12.36 | spike | hi there |
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| 18:12.46 | spike | does anybody here run perl-modules 5.8 on woody? |
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| 18:13.01 | Space_NL | asg: no, but thanx, will indeed join there (arg, why cant i think of that myself ?) |
| 18:13.01 | spike | there's nothing on backports.org |
| 18:13.08 | spike | I found something on apt-get.org, but I was wondering if it's safe.. |
| 18:13.15 | asg | spike: any reason you need 5.8? |
| 18:13.16 | nvz | LSorensen: could I stop this with a CTRL+C at any point and resume it? I didnt run it in a screen session |
| 18:13.18 | [4-tea-2] | anyone know about issues with grub and MegaRAID? |
| 18:13.24 | miausX | calin, no prob, see man mkfs.vfat for more details (hum... I don't have that man page on my sarge :?) |
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| 18:13.49 | spike | asg: munin. it's not available, but it's fairly simple to backport it. point is it depends on perl-modules 5.8, so it fails to install |
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| 18:14.11 | calin | miausX: Maybe you need to buildit into your kernel and apt-get update/upgrade, but i've been looking at the mkfs.vfat man page, and i'm not seeing where i have to specify the fs type for it |
| 18:14.13 | dondelelcaro | spike: there are already backports of it available that depend on the proper modules. |
| 18:14.19 | fly_80 | hi , i'm installing sarge-netinst on my laptop and the hardware detect is now blocked at 98% ( starting "PC Card" services ) |
| 18:14.27 | calin | miausX: afaik vfat is synonymous with fat32 |
| 18:14.38 | spike | dondelelcaro: eh? sry, didn't understand what u meant there |
| 18:14.56 | jethro | hi there |
| 18:14.56 | spike | dondelelcaro: there're no munin backports as far as I've searched for it |
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| 18:15.04 | dondelelcaro | spike: there are already munin (or at least, lrrd-client) backports available that depend on the proper modules. |
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| 18:15.19 | asg | fly_80: if you hit F2 - F6 in the installer, it will give you a list of options to pass to the install kernel. Use the one that disables probing for pcmcia (I think there is one) |
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| 18:15.45 | spike | arf, u're right |
| 18:15.54 | fly_80 | asg, but in this way i can't install my wireless network card ? |
| 18:15.58 | nvz | I could always just lock my screen with xscreensaver-command, instead of logging out |
| 18:16.01 | spike | dondelelcaro: tnx |
| 18:16.14 | dondelelcaro | spike: FE, http://labs.8d.com/debian/backport/munin_1.0.4-1_all.deb |
| 18:16.15 | asg | fly_80: is your laptop a dell? |
| 18:16.16 | miausX | calin, oks, I saw that option in mkfs.msdos, but that was in another distro I think |
| 18:16.26 | fly_80 | asg, no it is a toshiba |
| 18:16.26 | nvz | I should have run this inside my screen session. though I was expecting jigdo to be a graphical app, and that not to be possible |
| 18:16.44 | takatumi | fly_80: try booting with linux26 if you need a 2.6 kernel. |
| 18:16.51 | spike | dondelelcaro: yup, there's also http://debian.jones.dk which I'm already using for another couple of things |
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| 18:16.53 | dondelelcaro | spike: granted, that's 1.0.4 instead of 1.2.0, but for a node it works fine |
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| 18:17.06 | dondelelcaro | spike: ah, good. |
| 18:17.07 | fly_80 | takatumi, i have tried with a 26 directly |
| 18:17.15 | asg | fly_80: then google or check tuxmobile.org; there is possibly a workaround to fixing the probe. |
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| 18:17.59 | proggi | hello all together |
| 18:17.59 | fly_80 | asg, http://www.alchar.org/~aedil/Toshiba-M30X.html |
| 18:18.05 | fly_80 | i found it on google |
| 18:18.06 | spike | dondelelcaro: but it's actually older. btw, what about the perl-modules? |
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| 18:18.21 | spike | dondelelcaro: backporting munin is a matter of adding testing-src and apt-get source --compile |
| 18:18.24 | dondelelcaro | spike: Depends: perl (>= 5.6.0-16), librrds-perl, libhtml-template-perl, libdigest-md5-perl, libtime-hires-perl, libstorable-perl |
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| 18:18.32 | ben | So, what is the wright way to install a 2.4.18 kernel on a fresh woody install? I begin to wonder what I have to do... |
| 18:18.42 | fly_80 | and i don't understand this : Do not probe 0x800-0x8ff |
| 18:18.44 | jethro | ben: install with bf24 |
| 18:18.45 | spike | dondelelcaro: so u get 1.2.0 at "no cost" |
| 18:19.07 | dondelelcaro | !u |
| 18:19.07 | dpkg | It's YOU. Y-O-U. Not *U*. U is a letter. YOU is a word. See ne1, or wud. Dutch for 'you' (formal singular). See http://ars.userfriendly.org/cartoons/?id=20041201 |
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| 18:19.07 | spike | eeheh, sorry |
| 18:19.16 | spike | dondelelcaro: so you get 1.2.0 at "no cost" |
| 18:19.17 | proggi | does anyone know a good server with debianpackages |
| 18:19.19 | dondelelcaro | !depends munin-node |
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| 18:19.23 | dpkg | munin-node: depends on perl, libnet-server-perl, procps |
| 18:19.29 | dondelelcaro | !depends munin |
| 18:19.32 | miausX | hum, can I upgrade the xemacs packages (you know, auctex, cc-mode etc) with the official packages from xemacs.org? I have installed the latest xemacs package in my sarge |
| 18:19.33 | greycat | isn't procps in base? |
| 18:19.33 | dpkg | munin: depends on perl (>= 5.6.0-16), perl-modules (>= 5.8.0) | libparse-recdescent-perl, librrds-perl, libhtml-template-perl, libdigest-md5-perl, libtime-hires-perl, libstorable-perl |
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| 18:19.45 | ben | jethro: that's what I've done, and apt-get install kernel-image-2.4.18-1-k7 but I have error messages at boot time then |
| 18:19.47 | calin | I';m still having problems with formatting as vfatr |
| 18:19.48 | dondelelcaro | spike: as you see, that's an | depends... so it should be ok even on stable... |
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| 18:19.53 | doub | hi there |
| 18:19.57 | asg | fly_80: you probably have to hack /etc/pcmcia/config.opts before the probe begins (by going to tty2 (ALT+F2) at the first installer screen) |
| 18:19.57 | proggi | hi |
| 18:19.58 | calin | anyone else smart enough to pass it? |
| 18:20.09 | calin | (i'm googleing while I ask btw) |
| 18:20.14 | greycat | why does munin-node depend on a package that's in *base*? |
| 18:20.22 | spike | dondelelcaro: mmmh, lemme check it again... |
| 18:20.38 | asg | fly_80: also, check if the installer has an option to prevent probing on those addresses |
| 18:20.57 | dondelelcaro | greycat: because none of those are Essential: Yes |
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| 18:21.12 | miausX | calin, maybe I can help you, query me |
| 18:21.17 | calin | nevermin, I got it |
| 18:21.25 | jethro | ben: installing woody with the bf24 target is easier |
| 18:21.34 | calin | miausX: I had to do 'mkfs.vfat -F 32 /dev/hda1' |
| 18:21.45 | fly_80 | asg, i have an option that "Don't start PCMCIA detect " |
| 18:21.45 | miausX | calin, yep, that is :) |
| 18:21.50 | jethro | ben: what's this error message of which you speak? |
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| 18:22.10 | asg | fly_80: you need that, you just don't want it to probe the specified hardware addresses |
| 18:22.10 | miausX | calin, do you remember? you need fat32 :) |
| 18:22.12 | spike | dondelelcaro: ooooh, I c, u mean insalling the single pkgs |
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| 18:22.35 | fly_80 | uhm, if i start with expert26 ? |
| 18:22.48 | proggi | is there anyone who knows a good server for synaptic? |
| 18:22.58 | proggi | sorry for my bad english |
| 18:23.00 | SerpentWolf | check the mirrors |
| 18:23.03 | dondelelcaro | proggi: any Debian mirror will work. |
| 18:23.11 | jethro | spike: I c == I see, u == you as you've been told a few lines ago, please write *full* words and don't type like the average kid on aol chat |
| 18:23.12 | dondelelcaro | proggi: use apt-setup; or /msg dpkg mirrors |
| 18:23.12 | SerpentWolf | closest to you, that is |
| 18:23.25 | proggi | ok. thank you |
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| 18:24.00 | greycat | proggi: /msg dpkg mirrors |
| 18:24.05 | greycat | proggi: or just run apt-setup |
| 18:24.16 | takatumi | or apt-spy |
| 18:24.22 | jethro | !tell ben -about msg |
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| 18:25.07 | asg | dondelelcaro: you might end up with knoppix then |
| 18:25.08 | LSorensen | nvz: yes you can stop and resume jigdo anytime |
| 18:25.41 | ben | jethro I had already wrote that error messages few lines earlier :\ :) |
| 18:26.15 | proggi | ok. thanks. i will test it |
| 18:26.24 | jethro | ben: I just wanted you to know about msg'ing people without asking them |
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| 18:27.19 | ben | jethro: k |
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| 18:29.36 | Space_NL | oke .. so i tried enlightenment .. isnt the way i like to manage desktops .. then i installed icewm .. but that doesnt work (long story) .. what desktop management system would be fine for a low-profile (P866) computer ? |
| 18:30.03 | asg | Space_NL: p866 is low profile? |
| 18:30.04 | dondelelcaro | Space_NL: no document management system would be best. |
| 18:30.10 | greycat | fvwm, blackbox, wmaker, ... |
| 18:30.11 | dondelelcaro | s/document/desktop/ |
| 18:30.17 | dondelelcaro | openbox... |
| 18:30.21 | ben | I don't understand, I always have theses error messages when I apt-get install a new kernel but I don't find about them on google. It dosen't seem to prevent Debian to work but I wonder if it's normal. |
| 18:30.41 | Space_NL | asg: considering debian is for high end purposes .. i would say P866 is pretty slow for a desktop machine with debian ... |
| 18:30.54 | greycat | "debian is for high end"?? |
| 18:31.03 | Space_NL | is what i have been told |
| 18:31.03 | greycat | what the hell are you smoking? |
| 18:31.04 | dondelelcaro | Space_NL: eh? You're saying this about a distribution that runs on m68k and mipsel? |
| 18:31.05 | asg | Space_NL: I run mail, web, dns, dhcp, and a shitload of other stuff internally on a p200 with 48 megs. |
| 18:31.22 | Space_NL | asg: my server is P166 .. but ment for desktop use .. |
| 18:31.31 | greycat | my openbsd server is a 600 MHz VIA EPIA box, fanless CPU. |
| 18:31.31 | Space_NL | but it seems some people here dont share my opinion :-) |
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| 18:31.52 | asg | Space_NL: 866 is more than enough for a desktop system. |
| 18:32.01 | dondelelcaro | Space_NL: certain things may not run well... but then, you just don't run those things. |
| 18:32.07 | asg | Space_NL: I ran FreeBSD on the p200 for years with no problems. |
| 18:32.42 | spike | dondelelcaro: well, the lib*perl required for munin aren't backported at all (4 out of 6). and actually there is a per-module 5.8 from the skolelinux project. in fact my original question was like "does anybody here uses that pkg and can confirm it won't screw up my system". |
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| 18:33.04 | proggi | is the ubuntusynaptic an other as the real-debiansynaptic? |
| 18:33.19 | jethro | suse 6.0? |
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| 18:33.36 | jethro | that like years old isn't it? |
| 18:33.47 | proggi | because i didn't find a debianserver which have a wartydirectory |
| 18:33.50 | brosio | doc_, i have 486 |
| 18:33.52 | doc_ | it's been running here for almost 7 years nin stop ;) |
| 18:33.52 | dondelelcaro | spike: I'm personally running lrrd-client (now called munin-node) on a stable box with the actual munin node on the unstable machine... |
| 18:33.58 | brosio | with redhat 6.2 |
| 18:33.59 | brosio | :D |
| 18:34.09 | jethro | brosio: running a honeypot? |
| 18:34.09 | dondelelcaro | proggi: if you have questions about ubuntu, ask in #ubuntu |
| 18:34.09 | brosio | hd 813mb |
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| 18:34.12 | takatumi | proggi: #ubuntu |
| 18:34.19 | dondelelcaro | proggi: Debian servers don't necessarily distribute ubuntu |
| 18:34.27 | brosio | honeypot? |
| 18:34.30 | proggi | ok. thanks for the tip |
| 18:34.38 | greycat | !topicsmite proggi |
| 18:34.39 | dpkg | And the wrath of /TOPIC descended with terrible fury upon proggi. And all the people marveled, saying, Behold, we too should read the /TOPIC, lest we be stricken. And all the people read the /TOPIC, and went away edified. |
| 18:34.40 | proggi | exit |
| 18:34.43 | proggi | ups |
| 18:34.47 | asg | fedex |
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| 18:35.04 | asg | brosio: google for honeypot network security |
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| 18:35.22 | Ridley | uhm, I've tried to remove packages such as gdm in order to login from shell on startup... but a problem remains: how can I load KDE instead of Gnome from shell? |
| 18:35.39 | asg | Ridley: /msg dpkg nodm |
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| 18:35.55 | asg | Ridley: echo 'startkde' >> ~/.xsession |
| 18:36.02 | spike | dondelelcaro: I see, but I need to run the server as well, and the 1.2.0 has many improvements, so I'd really love to backport the one from sarge... as I said it's really easy... it's just this perl dep.. . anyway, I guess I'll install the backported perl-modules from linex project and see what happens. those guys seems trustable |
| 18:36.23 | dondelelcaro | spike: no, don't install the bacported perl-modules package.s |
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| 18:36.31 | dondelelcaro | spike: just install the *specific* modules you need. |
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| 18:38.00 | spike | dondelelcaro: eeer, I know, I didn't like the idea to upgrade perl-modules... that's why I asked. anyway, I'll try to backport all those libperl deps and see what happens. thanks for the support. |
| 18:38.18 | dondelelcaro | spike: you shouldn't need to backport *any* of those deps... |
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| 18:38.29 | dondelelcaro | spike: almost all of them should already exist in woody |
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| 18:39.04 | spike | oh, checking. didn't notice there wasn't any version requirement |
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| 18:39.13 | greycat | spike: dh-make-perl |
| 18:39.20 | cent | i lost my grub menu after re-install XP. How get the grub menu back? |
| 18:39.36 | Morrowyn | reinstall grub and the app. mbr ? |
| 18:39.36 | dondelelcaro | greycat: yeah, in this case, you don't even need that... |
| 18:39.46 | dondelelcaro | greycat: munin has been relatively sane with their module requirements... |
| 18:40.40 | OutCast3k | stew, (or anyeone else) when updating then kernel from 2.4.6 to 2.6.8 using "apt-get install kernel-image-2.6.8-2-686-smp" i get the errors: "/usr/sbin/mkinitrd: add_modules_dep_2_5: modprobe failed" and "FATAL: Module megaraid2 not found." and "Failed to create initrd image." does anyone have any ideas how to fix this? i've already added "megaraid2" to /etc/mkinitrd/modules as i had a similar issue when the machine booted |
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| 18:41.39 | cent | Morrowyn. how to do it? |
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| 18:42.12 | Morrowyn | dunno, never messed with grub |
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| 18:42.30 | greycat | probably involves install-grub |
| 18:42.40 | Ridley | asg, you really rock :D |
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| 18:43.06 | greycat | err, grub-install |
| 18:43.32 | greycat | and oooh, guess what? |
| 18:43.35 | greycat | <PROTECTED> |
| 18:43.48 | RichiH | greycat: wee! |
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| 18:45.08 | droopy | Is there anything special you have to do to make a php file work? Its in cgi-bin. |
| 18:45.19 | sussudio | abrotman: http://home.wanadoo.nl/sussudio/ < that cup? |
| 18:45.36 | b33r | what is the most common problem (aside form vert/fouz refresh) for laptop screen flickering (massive) and also getting the "windowpane" effect? |
| 18:45.50 | b33r | horiz* |
| 18:46.22 | b33r | someone mentioned xmac which is supposedly an addon for xserver, anyone used it? |
| 18:46.22 | sussudio | droopy: fermented milk? |
| 18:46.50 | abrotman | sussudio: no .. not that one |
| 18:47.03 | droopy | greycat ....I asked...I newbie to php. |
| 18:47.03 | sussudio | abrotman: badgers? |
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| 18:47.42 | RichiH | droopy: try #linuxbeginners -- that's for the more basic stuff :) |
| 18:47.55 | jethro | holy fucking french strikes! |
| 18:47.56 | droopy | sussudio :)~ I smoked my breakfast |
| 18:48.12 | abrotman | sussudio: they fit in cups ? |
| 18:48.13 | RichiH | smoked cereal sucks |
| 18:48.16 | asg | Ridley: glad you got it going |
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| 18:48.24 | Ridley | :D |
| 18:48.28 | Visiteur | hello |
| 18:48.37 | Visiteur | ya til quelquun pour maider please |
| 18:48.46 | jethro | !fr |
| 18:48.47 | dpkg | Les personnes qui parlent francais et qui ont besoin d'une aide a propos de Debian peuvent venir sur #debian-fr - People speaking french and in need of support for debian, please join #debian-fr |
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| 18:49.39 | droopy | Can extensions cause Firefox to have memory leaks... the longer its running the more mem I use? |
| 18:50.04 | travisat | droopy: if the extension is written badlyt |
| 18:50.09 | asg | droopy: it does caching which can cause that also |
| 18:50.12 | maketo | is there a way to find out whether a scsi drive is ultra2 or ultra3 and how many rpm (without pulling the drive out of a bay)? |
| 18:50.23 | abrotman | dmesg if you're lucky ? |
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| 18:50.43 | maketo | abrotman : I am not :) |
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| 18:51.10 | droopy | asg at boot I use about 180 mb after firefox all 360 mb are used. |
| 18:51.41 | asg | droopy: well, linux uses free memory for filesystem caching also |
| 18:51.58 | droopy | asg thanks. |
| 18:52.08 | abrotman | maketo: check /proc/scsi ? |
| 18:52.27 | green_earz | maketo: hdparm should be able to give you the info |
| 18:53.41 | maketo | abrotman : nothing there |
| 18:54.05 | abrotman | maketo: get the model # from dmesg ... and google!!!! |
| 18:54.11 | GOetmet | What should I add to the named.conf in order to all the clients connected to it be able to set the ip's server as it's DNS ? |
| 18:54.48 | stonie | im googling all day and trying x things, but why is my xtraceroute-globe just white?! even with --texture im not getting any picture of anything.. |
| 18:54.48 | maketo | abrotman : did that, it's an hp model and google didn't turn up much |
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| 18:55.00 | abrotman | maketo: model # ? |
| 18:55.07 | maketo | would U160/M imply that only certain drives can hook up to it? |
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| 18:55.28 | maketo | abrotman: HP model C 80-8C42 |
| 18:55.34 | droopy | Has anyone used Sun's java jre1.5...and gotten the plugin to work with firefox. I created the sym link. |
| 18:55.41 | greycat | droopy: /msg dpkg java |
| 18:55.44 | greycat | !faq droopy |
| 18:55.44 | dpkg | droopy: http://www.linuks.mine.nu/debian-faq-wiki/ |
| 18:55.52 | greycat | !wikifaq * InstallJava |
| 18:55.53 | dpkg | *: check out http://www.linuks.mine.nu/debian-faq-wiki/InstallJava or if that doesn't work, try http://www.linuks.mine.nu/debian-faq-wiki/ |
| 18:56.05 | greycat | !topicsmite everyone |
| 18:56.05 | dpkg | And the wrath of /TOPIC descended with terrible fury upon everyone. And all the people marveled, saying, Behold, we too should read the /TOPIC, lest we be stricken. And all the people read the /TOPIC, and went away edified. |
| 18:56.05 | maketo | green_earz : these are scsi drives |
| 18:56.16 | abrotman | maketo: other option . call HP :) |
| 18:56.44 | maketo | abrotman: yeah, I just don't feel like taking three diff drives to our colocation to find out which one it is physically |
| 18:56.58 | abrotman | maketo: iirc .. HP just rebrands Seagate drives |
| 18:57.01 | green_earz | maketo: well that shoulden be a problem |
| 18:57.19 | GOetmet | any idea? I have a LAN and one server with Linux which has Internet... it's all ok configured, but the NS of the clients are set to the DNS of the ISP.. I want to set the IP of the linux box as the DNS of the clients |
| 18:57.39 | abrotman | maketo: are you looking to replace the drive ? |
| 18:57.42 | GOetmet | when I do that, the clients can't see any website |
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| 18:57.56 | green_earz | maketo: if read scsi burner drives info with hdparm |
| 18:58.01 | PerfDave | GOetmet: Are you running a DNS server on your Linux box? |
| 18:58.11 | green_earz | maketo: sorry i not if |
| 18:58.26 | maketo | abrotman : yeah |
| 18:58.41 | maketo | abrotman : it failed (in a raid5 array) |
| 18:58.41 | abrotman | maketo: drive doesn't matter .. find out what the controller is .. work from that |
| 18:58.54 | abrotman | or order an identical replacement |
| 18:58.54 | maketo | abrotman : it is some ancient megaraid |
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| 18:59.14 | abrotman | maketo: aren't they all? :) |
| 18:59.21 | GOetmet | PerfDave : uhm.. |
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| 18:59.35 | maketo | abrotman : and there seems to be no cli software to query the sob :) |
| 18:59.59 | BucWheat | what file do i need to edit/create to have web browser open when i log into X11 ? |
| 19:00.09 | abrotman | maketo: dmesg and /proc/scsi should have enough info about the controller |
| 19:00.10 | BucWheat | and i need to set twm as my default browser |
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| 19:00.16 | greycat | twm is no browser. |
| 19:00.25 | BucWheat | i meant wm heh |
| 19:00.29 | doub | BucWheat: ~/.Xsession |
| 19:00.33 | greycat | BucWheat: ~/.xsession unless you use gdm |
| 19:00.35 | diab0l | wm? |
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| 19:00.46 | BucWheat | greycat i'm using gdm |
| 19:00.51 | greycat | !lose BucWheat |
| 19:00.51 | dpkg | BucWheat: You Lose. |
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| 19:00.55 | diab0l | windowind manager? |
| 19:01.02 | diab0l | *windowsing |
| 19:01.12 | BucWheat | greycat well i'm using gdm to auto login a user (kiosk user) |
| 19:01.29 | BucWheat | greycat is there a way to do this without gdm? |
| 19:01.37 | greycat | you can configure it for *auto login* but you can't configure it for fucking twm? |
| 19:01.45 | greycat | what, did you suffer a head injury between then and now? |
| 19:01.47 | PerfDave | GOetmet: If you're not running a DNS server on your Linux box, then your clients won't be able to get DNS service from it, will they? |
| 19:01.55 | diab0l | gdm gives a great blowjob |
| 19:01.59 | jethro | yeah |
| 19:02.11 | BucWheat | greycat i can i can. i'm more interested in firing out web browser when twm loads |
| 19:02.13 | Delph | .oO( why bother with gdm if you're only going to launch twm all the time? |
| 19:02.15 | mirak | are the seagate hard drive good ? I want to buy a knew one, I feel that my ibm/hitachi will die soon |
| 19:02.16 | maketo | abrotman : yeah, not much luck there either (MegaRAID Model: LD0 RAID5 86825R) |
| 19:02.22 | diab0l | thats why it sucks ;) |
| 19:02.48 | Delph | .oO( why bother with twm if all you want to do is launch a maximised web browser, and restart it if it quits) |
| 19:03.02 | [4-tea-2] | maketo: since you mention MegaRAID, any luck getting grub working? |
| 19:03.18 | diab0l | you can launch firebird/fox as default "windowing manager" |
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| 19:03.56 | BucWheat | Delph because i need a certian user to start the x session |
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| 19:04.30 | BucWheat | greycat since i'm using gdm what file will i need to edit/create to start web browser once inside twm? |
| 19:04.34 | greycat | BucWheat: WHY are you using gdm? |
| 19:04.35 | diab0l | BucWheat: why not use sudo in the script that starts X? .oO(i better run now...) |
| 19:04.38 | Delph | isn't this what startx or xinit is for? |
| 19:04.40 | jethro | BucWheat: man gdm? |
| 19:04.51 | diab0l | true, xinit rules |
| 19:05.16 | BucWheat | greycat i do not want to use gdm as it is more overhead. show me how to accomplish what i want without it and i'll be a happy camper |
| 19:05.26 | greycat | BucWheat: xdm, ~/.xsession |
| 19:05.48 | BucWheat | greycat ok. i'll look into that |
| 19:05.49 | greycat | echo -e 'firefox &\nexec twm' > ~/.xsession |
| 19:05.55 | greycat | GODS, how fucking hard is that? |
| 19:06.04 | greycat | it's only been, what twenty-five years now? |
| 19:06.06 | diab0l | heh |
| 19:06.08 | maketo | [4-tea-2] : well the megaraid is a 2-channel for a scsi enclosure the sever is attached do, the server itself has internal scsi drives on a regular scsi card and they are in a soft-raid |
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| 19:06.09 | greycat | maybe just 20. |
| 19:06.22 | BucWheat | greycat how do i configure xdm to autologin kioskUser ? |
| 19:06.29 | greycat | *shudder* |
| 19:06.35 | BucWheat | heh |
| 19:06.38 | greycat | I've found what your problem is. |
| 19:06.42 | greycat | It's that prefix "auto". |
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| 19:07.21 | doub | why is any DM useful in this case, anyway ? |
| 19:07.29 | [4-tea-2] | maketo: i'm aware of that, i have to use it on some Primergy RX200 boxes. grub won't play with it, though. it claims /dev/sda has no corresponding bios device. this works fine with other raid controllers (e.g. the compaq cciss stuff) |
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| 19:07.39 | Delph | doub: this is what I'm trying to work out as well. |
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| 19:07.44 | abrotman | maketo: it's a netserver eh? |
| 19:07.50 | greycat | probably because, in addition to being totally ignorant of standard X workstation practice, he's also totally ignorant of inittab, SysVinit, etc. |
| 19:08.13 | [4-tea-2] | maketo: so i figure you're either using LILO or you know a trick to make grub run anyway. ;) |
| 19:08.30 | doub | greycat: everyone begins that way. the problem is willingness to learn |
| 19:08.46 | BucWheat | i'm willing to learn and trying which is why i'm here |
| 19:08.55 | greycat | doub: I don't understand people any more. I started out as a USER, not an admin. |
| 19:09.15 | greycat | doub: I just don't get how people can all of a sudden be trying to set up servers when they don't even know how to be users yet. |
| 19:09.39 | maketo | abrotman : yeah some ancient hp bullshit :) |
| 19:09.42 | [4-tea-2] | maketo: scratch that. i figure you're booting from the internal drives then. :) |
| 19:09.43 | Azar | greycat, sometimes the terminology in the manuals is hard to understand... |
| 19:09.52 | maketo | [4-tea-2] : exactly |
| 19:09.55 | abrotman | maketo: hey .. i used to use one of those as a workstation . they're kind of nice :) |
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| 19:10.05 | greycat | Azar: that's my crusade. welcome abord. |
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| 19:10.07 | greycat | aboard* |
| 19:10.07 | doub | BucWheat: so maybe RTFM about what greycat said (inittab, sysv init) and add to this a little bit of X startup scripts (man xinit, man startx) |
| 19:10.13 | maketo | abrotman : yeah, the megaraid bios software sucks donkey ass |
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| 19:10.29 | EdibleText | dpkg be manpage barbie |
| 19:10.29 | dpkg | *roff is HARD! Let's use texinfo! |
| 19:10.34 | maketo | abrotman : it is incredibly dumb and unintuitive :) |
| 19:10.44 | greycat | Azar: if you ever figure out how to make arrogant maintainers accept documentation patches, let me know. |
| 19:10.44 | jamuraa | heh |
| 19:10.47 | green_earz | BucWheat: would say that its whos greycat ignorant ? |
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| 19:10.50 | VaCi | umount -f /server1 gives: umount2: Device or resource busy, umount: /server1: device is busy - What do i do? |
| 19:11.05 | maketo | VaCi : cry? |
| 19:11.06 | Azar | greycat :) |
| 19:11.07 | jamuraa | anyone here know how to install a latex .sty file system-wide in tetex? |
| 19:11.15 | doub | greycat: that's learning with trial and error, but maybe a little bit too difficult, yes |
| 19:11.16 | BucWheat | i've already added 5 to inittab |
| 19:11.28 | BucWheat | and i'm bringing her back up now |
| 19:11.42 | VaCi | maketo: arent there anything i can do |
| 19:11.50 | [4-tea-2] | VaCi: stop everything that makes the devices busy. man lsof might be your friend. |
| 19:11.51 | BucWheat | brb |
| 19:11.58 | abrotman | maketo: mine had an adaptec controller :) |
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| 19:12.22 | VaCi | [4-tea-2]: allready tryed that lsof just do nothing it have been running for hours now. |
| 19:12.31 | VaCi | its freeze. |
| 19:12.43 | doub | BucWheat: be shure to understand how debian handles them, as quite a few docs you can find on the internet do not apply to debian |
| 19:12.43 | VaCi | i cant even kill it by pid. |
| 19:12.52 | abrotman | maketo: i'd call HP if i were you |
| 19:12.53 | greycat | VaCi: bring the NFS server back up. |
| 19:13.04 | greycat | VaCi: if you can't do that, reboot the client. PERIOD. No alternative. |
| 19:13.15 | abrotman | maketo: they give thier hardware funny IDs .. like D54325 .. you need that ID to find useful docs on thier site |
| 19:13.22 | VaCi | greycat: the NFS server is up. |
| 19:13.32 | greycat | VaCi: with the same IP address it had before? |
| 19:14.10 | VaCi | greycat: that might be the problem but im not sure because i gave it a new ip, can i fix it with ifupping the old ip on the server just with eth0:1 so i dont need to close down the new ip |
| 19:14.21 | greycat | you can try... |
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| 19:16.58 | superSSS | How do i set locales corectly, i always get funny messages when i want to install something new |
| 19:17.39 | greycat | dpkg-reconfigure locales |
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| 19:17.54 | VaCi | greycat: ls: .: Stale NFS file handle |
| 19:18.01 | VaCi | on ls |
| 19:18.02 | VaCi | in the dir |
| 19:18.09 | VaCi | ohh wee |
| 19:18.11 | VaCi | i can umount now |
| 19:18.31 | greycat | !congratulate VaCi |
| 19:18.31 | dpkg | Yay VaCi, you did it! |
| 19:18.50 | VaCi | lol ;) |
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| 19:19.28 | thomstratton | Anyone know how to mount the CD on a SCSI CD-Rom for installation when booting from a floppy? |
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| 19:19.51 | superSSS | I still get those messages, even with dpkg-reconfigure locales |
| 19:20.01 | greycat | the messages being...? |
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| 19:20.18 | superSSS | perl: warning: Falling back to the standard locale ("C"). |
| 19:20.18 | superSSS | perl: warning: Setting locale failed. |
| 19:20.18 | superSSS | perl: warning: Please check that your locale settings: |
| 19:20.18 | superSSS | <PROTECTED> |
| 19:20.18 | superSSS | <PROTECTED> |
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| 19:21.13 | superSSS | i ll paste in #flood |
| 19:21.25 | paulswm | Good Idea |
| 19:21.26 | greycat | we already saw. |
| 19:21.47 | greycat | the first question is, are you *really* running debian? |
| 19:21.54 | superSSS | sid |
| 19:22.06 | greycat | the second is, how the *hell* can it fail when it falls back to "C" which is the normal standard default setting? |
| 19:22.10 | superSSS | and i selected EN_us locales |
| 19:22.18 | zinx | select en_US instead |
| 19:22.19 | greycat | superSSS: logout and back in |
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| 19:23.55 | superSSS | now works |
| 19:24.13 | david | hello |
| 19:24.21 | david | who manages the debian mirror list? |
| 19:24.30 | david | I sent e-mails in over a week ago, and I didn't hear anything back yet |
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| 19:25.11 | greycat | superSSS: it's still very odd that it fails when your locale is C. that's a bug, I'm sure... just don't know which package to file it against. |
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| 19:26.28 | superSSS | It happened before to me |
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| 19:27.11 | working_pourr | I am looking to apt-get a particular perl module (Statistics::Distributions) ... convention would be : apt-get install libstatistics-distributions-perl ... but no dice ... anyone know (preferably not CPAN) a good way to get this ? |
| 19:27.23 | greycat | working_pourr: dh-make-perl |
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| 19:27.52 | burd | Anyone in here that understands the GPL2 very well? |
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| 19:28.31 | blizah | mind if i ask a question related to ubuntu since nobody knows the answer in #ubuntu? |
| 19:28.36 | greycat | !they don't know |
| 19:28.36 | dpkg | Just because the morons in some OTHER channel don't know the answer to your non-Debian question does NOT give you the right to molest US with your problems. Go try Google. |
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| 19:28.56 | Rawplayer | haha |
| 19:29.00 | Rawplayer | that was hard :) |
| 19:29.01 | paulswm | !prize greycat |
| 19:29.02 | blizah | well ubuntu is related to debain no? |
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| 19:29.07 | greycat | !based on |
| 19:29.08 | blizah | ive looked all over google.. |
| 19:29.09 | greycat | !based on debian |
| 19:29.09 | dpkg | Knoppix, Libranet, Corel/Xandros, Stormix, Progeny, Lindows, DamnSmallLinux, Ubuntu, Kurumin, Agnula, Xebian, and so on are *not* Debian. Just because something's "based on" Debian doesn't mean we can support it. You'll get a Debian answer, and if it doesn't work, you're out of luck. |
| 19:29.26 | blizah | k |
| 19:29.39 | paulswm | blizah: Install a distribution with better support then. |
| 19:29.44 | blizah | heh |
| 19:29.48 | paulswm | :D |
| 19:29.49 | nagual | like microsoft |
| 19:29.50 | lechuza | what about the today European decision about patents? |
| 19:29.52 | blizah | hehe |
| 19:29.54 | paulswm | Like...debian!!! |
| 19:29.56 | working_pourr | greycat, you are my hero |
| 19:30.00 | nagual | microsoft has great support |
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| 19:30.14 | lechuza | is it caming a new non-EU section? |
| 19:30.19 | blizah | dpkg your a really fast typer :D' |
| 19:31.00 | burd | I been reading the GPL and was wondering a few things about it. Am I right to assume that if I include a piece of GPL software with my software, mine must also be GPL'd? If not then say at a later date I want the software to NOT be GPL'd after a certain amount of R&D, can I do this even including the GPL'd software? |
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| 19:31.25 | greycat | dpkg, ubuntusmite $1 is <action> takes away all the CO2 in the air around $1 and replaces it with CO. "It's related to carbon dioxide! It's based on carbon dioxide!" |
| 19:31.25 | dpkg | okay, greycat |
| 19:31.56 | nagual | is dpkg blootbot? |
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| 19:32.04 | greycat | yes |
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| 19:32.55 | BucWheat | greycat i set inittab to 5 and created S99login in /etc/rc5.d . in S99login i have su kioskUser ; startx |
| 19:33.09 | BucWheat | greycat i never get to startx |
| 19:33.10 | Segers_J | burd: if you use someone else's code, you play by their rules. if you just bundle their code in the same distribution medium, you don't. keep in mind I am not a lawyer. |
| 19:33.28 | BucWheat | greycat how do i fix this? as you can see i'm willing to learn |
| 19:34.01 | BucWheat | let me try & |
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| 19:34.45 | BucWheat | that was stupid |
| 19:34.51 | greycat | first of all, it's: su username -c startx |
| 19:35.05 | BucWheat | and what manpage was that in? |
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| 19:35.10 | greycat | man su |
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| 19:35.26 | BucWheat | ahh thanks |
| 19:35.41 | MesaMan | Does linux offer "audit logs" such that user actions (ie creating/renaming/deleting/editing a file, password changes, chmod/chown/chgrp/etc are used) are configured to be tracked/logged in a single place or am I going to have to trace down a zillion seperate program configs to tweak the logging? |
| 19:35.45 | Athon_Solo | What's the command to switch a users group? I know how to add the user to new groups, but not switch group. Or how do I change what group files created by a specific user belong to by default? |
| 19:35.46 | greycat | second of all, that S99login script had better be executable and have a #!/bin/sh in it. |
| 19:35.55 | BucWheat | greycat it does |
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| 19:36.20 | greycat | Athon_Solo: they will belong to the user's *primary* group unless they are created in a dir that's setgid. |
| 19:36.40 | Athon_Solo | How can I change a users primary group? |
| 19:36.45 | greycat | it's in passwd(5) |
| 19:36.50 | Azar | <PROTECTED> |
| 19:36.55 | Athon_Solo | thx |
| 19:37.05 | greycat | vipw would be how *I* do it. others may user some front-end like useradd or usermod or whatever the hell it is... |
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| 19:37.35 | Azar | MesaMan... sorry I misread your request |
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| 19:37.51 | resiak | The question is, when will the first person come in here and say "OMG GNOME 2.10 aint in Debain it si teh old lol"? Or did I miss the first idiot of spring? |
| 19:38.05 | VoX | i'm trying to install the nvidia drivers on kernel 2.6.11, but it's failing with "unable to build kernel module". any ideas? |
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| 19:38.18 | greycat | resiak: start a pool. |
| 19:38.23 | resiak | greycat: Heh |
| 19:38.38 | Azar | VoX are you using the nVidia installer? |
| 19:38.39 | c4_ | someone can help me with loadlin and installer images? |
| 19:38.43 | VoX | azar: yes |
| 19:38.44 | greycat | resiak: and you could've added openssh 4.0 to it, but you're too late. already had the idiot. |
| 19:38.53 | paulswm | resiak: You've missed quite a lot of entertainment over the last hour or so |
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| 19:39.21 | Azar | VoX, it will only work if you are running unstable, and your gcc version is the same with the gcc version when you compiled your last kernel |
| 19:39.40 | VoX | mmuh |
| 19:39.41 | enyc | Urrrm, I am having trouble. I cannot find which debian package contains the "/usr/bin/w" file |
| 19:39.42 | resiak | paulswm, greycat: Glad to hear it. I suspect that a pool would be a waste of time, though. FWIW, I suspect that we won't reach UK midnight. |
| 19:39.51 | MesaMan | I'll take that as a no... :( |
| 19:39.52 | greycat | !find bin/w$ sarge |
| 19:39.56 | VoX | i thought running testing would be enough |
| 19:39.56 | enyc | th debian does isntall /usr/bin/w but debian "packages.debian.org" doesnt help |
| 19:40.00 | Azar | VoX read the README text from nVidia installer |
| 19:40.07 | enyc | ' ??!find |
| 19:40.14 | enyc | 'dont understand vox |
| 19:40.18 | greycat | lrwxrwxrwx 1 root root 19 Aug 24 2004 /usr/bin/w -> /etc/alternatives/w |
| 19:40.19 | dpkg | Debian Search of 'bin/w' (1): (/usr/share/linpac/bin/w) in hamradio/linpac. |
| 19:40.25 | Azar | VoX, no, the nVidia installer will only run in "unstable" |
| 19:40.27 | greycat | lrwxrwxrwx 1 root root 17 Aug 24 2004 /etc/alternatives/w -> /usr/bin/w.procps |
| 19:40.53 | enyc | 'thats /usr/share/linpac/bin/w |
| 19:40.55 | enyc | 'not /usr/bin/w |
| 19:40.56 | c4_ | loadlin.exe vmlinuz initrd=initrd.gz root=/dev/ram0 <<-- gives me a kernel panic: ...ram0: rw=0, want=18890, limit=16384 what happend? |
| 19:41.03 | greycat | enyc: what in the hell are you talking about? |
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| 19:41.19 | enyc | grey: im trying to debina-package-search for the "/usr/bin/w" utility |
| 19:41.35 | VoX | azar: ok, i'll change to unstable |
| 19:41.42 | greycat | enyc: you'll never find it, because it's a symlink to alternatives. |
| 19:41.47 | thomstratton | c4 maybe you ran out of ram? |
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| 19:41.53 | greycat | enyc: see what I pasted above. |
| 19:41.53 | Azar | VoX , generally here, in #debian the nVidia installer is not recommended for stable or testing, there is a Debian way of installing the latest nVidia driver |
| 19:42.08 | c4_ | thomstratton: are u shure? |
| 19:42.14 | resiak | !shure |
| 19:42.14 | dpkg | i guess shure is a manufacturer of record needles. IT IS NOT AN ALTERNATE SPELLING OF "SURE" DAMMIT |
| 19:42.19 | Azar | VoX ask dpkg about nVidia installation |
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| 19:42.26 | c4_ | thomstratton: of ram or of ramdisk? |
| 19:42.29 | resiak | !tell VoX -about nvidia howto |
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| 19:42.32 | thomstratton | c4 no not an expert |
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| 19:42.33 | resiak | !tell VoX -about nvidia one-liner |
| 19:42.39 | c4_ | thomstratton: ok |
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| 19:42.50 | cordovan | moin |
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| 19:42.53 | thomstratton | c4 maybe ran out of ramdisk |
| 19:42.58 | c4_ | greycat: do you know? |
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| 19:43.20 | greycat | I don't do loadlin. |
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| 19:43.47 | rautudu | What mean "APT" of apt-get?thank! |
| 19:43.50 | nagual | hm. seems the new 2.6* exploit doesnt work if you are running grsec. gg. |
| 19:44.16 | resiak | rautudu: man ampt |
| 19:44.16 | c4_ | greycat: another way of try the debian installer disks? |
| 19:44.21 | resiak | rautudu: man apt |
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| 19:44.27 | resiak | !d-i c4_ |
| 19:44.28 | dpkg | c4_, you want to go to http://www.debian.org/devel/debian-installer/ - for your own good, and everyone else's. |
| 19:44.29 | greycat | c4_: uh... boot it? |
| 19:44.49 | aol_lamer | lol |
| 19:45.04 | resiak | enyc: In case you haven't figured out yet, procps is the package in question here. |
| 19:45.25 | c4_ | resiak? |
| 19:45.37 | resiak | c4_? |
| 19:45.50 | c4_ | !d-i c4_ |
| 19:45.51 | dpkg | c4_, you want to go to http://www.debian.org/devel/debian-installer/ - for your own good, and everyone else's. |
| 19:45.52 | c4_ | ? |
| 19:45.59 | c4_ | oh, i see... |
| 19:46.02 | resiak | ! |
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| 19:46.32 | aol_lamer | nonetheless, dpkg _can_ be pretty puzzling.... but thats only me... |
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| 19:47.40 | doub | aol_lamer: lighting a bulb can also be puzzling, too |
| 19:47.41 | greycat | set oncallUrl http://www/neuro_neuro/oncall_file |
| 19:47.43 | greycat | Oh. My. God. |
| 19:47.53 | c4_ | resiak: i have the flavor initrds and vmlinuz, i've tryed to boot them like i used to do with loadlin but something is wrong, it loads the vmlinuz kernel, the initrd.gz, but it kernel panic halts with some out of ramdisk stuff |
| 19:47.53 | thomstratton | Looks like debianinstaller might help me here too |
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| 19:48.35 | resiak | greycat: ?# |
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| 19:48.40 | Azar | too bad that nVidia installer is not recommended, the guide and installation is so easy on beginners |
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| 19:48.54 | aol_lamer | doub, so can anything after all. |
| 19:48.56 | greycat | !punish greycat's predecessor for using www as a hostname in a URL. |
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| 19:49.07 | Azar | :D |
| 19:49.12 | LaidBack_01 | hey is it possible to do a remote install in a similar way to Gentoo's setup? Eg, down load a tarball, untar it, chroot, and viaola, a debian system that you continue to build? Or is it just better to have the machine local and build it that way? |
| 19:49.24 | greycat | LaidBack_01: *why*? |
| 19:49.27 | resiak | !tell LaidBack_01 -about debootstrap |
| 19:49.49 | greycat | but yeah, debootstrap is the answer you wanted. |
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| 19:50.04 | greycat | not necessarily the answer you needed to hear. |
| 19:50.13 | resiak | !d-i LaidBack_01 |
| 19:50.14 | dpkg | LaidBack_01, you want to go to http://www.debian.org/devel/debian-installer/ - for your own good, and everyone else's. |
| 19:50.17 | LaidBack_01 | grecat because i use XEN server and it's on a server in Texas - I'm in Montana. It's not much fun to build a system here and tar it up and send it down there... |
| 19:50.22 | c4_ | resiak: isn't the vmlinuz of the debian bootdisks from ftp.debian.org prepared for the amount of ramdisk space that initrd.gz debian bootdisk from the same type will use?, that makes no sence |
| 19:50.49 | resiak | !viaola is voila. GO LEARN FRENCH! |
| 19:50.49 | dpkg | okay, resiak |
| 19:50.51 | LaidBack_01 | thanks much for the info. |
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| 19:51.13 | greycat | !viola |
| 19:51.13 | dpkg | hmm... viola is a string instrument, related to the violin but slightly larger. It is *not* the French word for "there it is". |
| 19:51.17 | c4_ | voila is something that flys |
| 19:51.22 | resiak | c4_: That made absolutely no sense. |
| 19:51.27 | c4_ | hehe |
| 19:51.35 | c4_ | resiak: i've made a mess |
| 19:51.36 | resiak | !sence |
| 19:51.36 | dpkg | You mean sense. |
| 19:51.43 | Azar | voila == there you are |
| 19:51.46 | cent | how to load my ext3 partition using boot cd? |
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| 19:51.59 | c4_ | resiak: let me explain that... |
| 19:52.02 | resiak | c4_: What is wrong with burning and using the d-i CD like Nature intended? |
| 19:52.06 | greycat | cent: mount. not "load". |
| 19:52.17 | resiak | !permasunday |
| 19:52.17 | dpkg | All days in #debian will remain Sunday until further notice. Unfortunately, outside #debian the world keeps turning, so you still have to get up and go to work. Welcome to PermaTardsday! |
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| 19:52.41 | Azar | :D |
| 19:52.59 | doub | the world ? what's that ? |
| 19:53.06 | doub | !world |
| 19:53.06 | dpkg | i guess world is part of the delusion created around us by the matrix |
| 19:53.14 | doub | oh ok |
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| 19:53.33 | VoX | god i hate getting nvidia to work |
| 19:53.44 | cent | greycat : how to "mount" my ext3 fs using boot cd, i want my linux back! |
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| 19:53.53 | Azar | VoX, I know, the nVidia installer is way easier |
| 19:54.02 | greycat | cent: alt-f2, enter, mkdir /mnt, mount device /mnt |
| 19:54.04 | VoX | *nods* |
| 19:54.16 | c4_ | resiak: i have downloaded the initrd.gz and the vmlinuz files under the same flavor installer directory in the debians ftp. when i load that stuff with loadlin, bouth load, but cant run init for some kB beyond the /dev/ram0 |
| 19:54.17 | VoX | i remember trying to get it to work when the 2.6 kernels first came out |
| 19:54.21 | c4_ | damn! |
| 19:54.24 | VoX | that was a mission |
| 19:54.39 | VoX | but that was a while ago now and i'd forgotten how to go about it :) |
| 19:54.41 | Azar | VoX if you want to keep it with the "not recommended" nVidia installer, first make sure your gcc version is the same with the gcc used when you last upgraded the Kernel |
| 19:54.42 | MesaMan | Question... I would like to ditch my windows systems entirely but I have a few websites that I *must* use that are "IE Only" (ActiveX, mostly). Is there any hope? |
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| 19:54.51 | c4_ | resiak: i've sold my cdburner |
| 19:54.55 | Azar | Vox, second, you have to go "unstable" |
| 19:54.59 | resiak | abrotman: ^^ |
| 19:55.05 | resiak | paulswm: ^^ |
| 19:55.13 | resiak | Azar: NOT TRUE |
| 19:55.28 | greycat | MesaMan: some people have run IE under WINE. |
| 19:55.28 | resiak | !tell VoX -about quick sid/sarge mix |
| 19:55.28 | VoX | azar: yeah. i'm going unstable as we speak, then i'm going to re-compile my kernel and modules, then i'll try running the installer again. |
| 19:55.33 | resiak | !tell Azar -about quick sid/sarge mix |
| 19:55.34 | Azar | errrr Vox, first go "unstable" get the newer version of gcc then upgrade your kernel, then use the nVidia installer |
| 19:55.36 | greycat | MesaMan: me, I'd just keep a windows box for it. |
| 19:55.36 | c4_ | resiak: anyway, what is that d-i CD? |
| 19:55.40 | resiak | !d-i c4_ |
| 19:55.41 | dpkg | c4_, you want to go to http://www.debian.org/devel/debian-installer/ - for your own good, and everyone else's. |
| 19:55.47 | c4_ | he |
| 19:55.50 | resiak | MesaMan: It's really quite straightforward |
| 19:55.52 | flark | gui bay |
| 19:56.07 | resiak | MesaMan: Google for Sidenet |
| 19:56.08 | doub | MesaMan: http://frankscorner.org iirc has instructions as to how to have IE to run under wine |
| 19:56.11 | Azar | VoX read the nVidia README file is very helpful |
| 19:56.29 | MesaMan | greycat: wine? Is wine working these days? Last time I looked at it (a few years ago) it was pretty much useless and not much development being done.. |
| 19:56.37 | resiak | VoX: Please do not use the nvidia-installer. If you come in here and moaan about it, we will point and laugh. |
| 19:56.44 | abrotman | resiak: ? |
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| 19:56.54 | resiak | MesaMan: Do as I said. Sidenet sets up IE, WMP etc in Wine for you. |
| 19:56.55 | Azar | resiak, I was on sid making my way up from Woody, never had Sarge |
| 19:56.55 | cent | greycat: im using sarge boot cd, i cannot get anything on alt-f2 |
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| 19:57.05 | c4_ | resiak: wich one is for installing in another machine with the debs i olready have in mine?: flavor: cdrom, hd-media, floppy,...? |
| 19:57.16 | flark | brasil name flavio |
| 19:57.16 | omry_ | I am having problems booting my system with a 2.6 kernel other than the one I got duing setup, I suspect its related to the fact that my root drive is SATA. can anyone help? |
| 19:57.19 | flark | brasil name flavio |
| 19:57.19 | resiak | c4_: I haven't the foggiest. |
| 19:57.22 | flark | brasil name flavio |
| 19:57.49 | greycat | cent: then let it get a bit farther into the menu or something. |
| 19:57.53 | greycat | cent: WFM (tm) |
| 19:57.54 | c4_ | resiak: ill ask collins dic about foggiest |
| 19:57.55 | resiak | abrotman: Someone can't use d-i because he sold his CD burner :D |
| 19:57.56 | MesaMan | resiak: sidenet gives me "Sidecar Racing" ;) |
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| 19:58.02 | Azar | right now I am back on Woody on a limb = no nVidia driver, waiting to figure out how to balance this issue |
| 19:58.04 | abrotman | resiak: oh .. lovely |
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| 19:58.30 | c4_ | what is foggie? |
| 19:58.33 | resiak | MesaMan: sidenet wine |
| 19:58.38 | resiak | c4_: I mean, I don't know |
| 19:58.54 | greycat | c4_: the spelling is "foggy" and it means "covered in fog" |
| 19:59.03 | c4_ | oh, i see, is something like, i don't have a remote idea |
| 19:59.08 | greycat | "foggy" becomes "foggiest" in the superlative mode |
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| 19:59.10 | doub | MesaMan: http://sidenet.ddo.jp/winetips/config.html |
| 19:59.13 | fly | hi all again |
| 19:59.20 | greycat | c4_: yes. |
| 19:59.31 | fly | asg: i installed debian base on my laptot finally |
| 19:59.42 | MesaMan | doub: found it... google showed a bunch of japanese characters so I skipped it, at first. |
| 19:59.45 | c4_ | he |
| 20:00.04 | greycat | 14:58 c4_ [~c4@200-70-76-24.mrse.com.ar] |
| 20:00.05 | greycat | 14:58 ircname : * I'm to lame to read BitchX.doc * |
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| 20:00.07 | ravenbird | ROOOOOOT has landed! |
| 20:00.08 | greycat | so sad. |
| 20:00.13 | c4_ | fog is humidity suspended in air |
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| 20:00.25 | fly | now i'm searching for sources to add in apt.source |
| 20:00.32 | resiak | fly: Just use apt-setup |
| 20:00.42 | resiak | !tell fly -about marillat |
| 20:00.43 | c4_ | apt-get fog |
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| 20:02.06 | fly | resiak: eh, but i added some source with apt-setup |
| 20:02.18 | fly | but when i launch base-config |
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| 20:02.40 | fly | it stops the installation of "Desktop packges" |
| 20:02.56 | resiak | !tell fly -about enter |
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| 20:03.19 | Azar | desktop? is there any desktop on Debian? |
| 20:03.35 | shiner840 | Could anybody help me with an apt-get install problem, I'm getting some strange errors with packages I've installed, I've tried apt-get update and -f install but still have same errors... output is... http://rafb.net/paste/results/sF1jVi69.html |
| 20:03.43 | greycat | Azar: if you install one. |
| 20:03.55 | Azar | greycat: AH |
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| 20:04.39 | resiak | shiner840: Now that you mention it, update-alternatives segfaulted for me earlier today. |
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| 20:04.54 | shiner840 | Hmmm ! :( |
| 20:05.05 | greycat | doub: nobody said it was information *providing* technology. |
| 20:05.14 | greycat | doub: it's information *controlling* technology. |
| 20:05.28 | thomstratton | it's technology controlling information? |
| 20:05.37 | greycat | yes, I meant information-controlling |
| 20:05.53 | fly | uhm, ok, now i 'm going to install gnome |
| 20:05.59 | greycat | have fun. |
| 20:06.25 | doub | greycat: of course, that won't solve the world's finest lazy (in the bad sense of the term) people's problem out there |
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| 20:07.08 | asg | fly: cool |
| 20:07.31 | greycat | ************************ Neutological Computing *************************** |
| 20:07.36 | greycat | DAMN, that's embarrassing. |
| 20:07.44 | OutCast3k | does anyone know how to fix the megaraid2 issue after updating the kernel? (i've edited the correct files, and rebooted) but i still get a nasty kernel panic. |
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| 20:08.07 | justin | greycat: heh, just like "Commuter Science" |
| 20:08.16 | fly | asg: the only problem is that now i'm using the ethernet instead of the wireless card. then i have to install it |
| 20:08.36 | resiak | !faq fly |
| 20:08.37 | dpkg | fly: http://www.linuks.mine.nu/debian-faq-wiki/ |
| 20:08.43 | greycat | justin: fortunately, this file hasn't actually been *visible* for at least 2 years, probably more... |
| 20:08.43 | OutCast3k | adding megaraid2 to /etc/mkinitrd/modules fixed it before, when i first installed debain and had the same issue |
| 20:08.45 | Azar | OutCast3k: Debian Rescue Mode from the CD? |
| 20:08.59 | fly | Azar: there was the option in base-config |
| 20:09.01 | aol_lamer | i dont give a flying !faq oops |
| 20:09.05 | soth` | <PROTECTED> |
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| 20:09.19 | Azar | fly, oh ok so you already have X |
| 20:09.19 | greycat | soth`: sed 's/$/foo/' |
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| 20:09.43 | fly | Azar: you don't understand, it is an option after the installation. |
| 20:09.52 | greycat | soth`: perl -pi -e 's/$/foo/' filename |
| 20:09.55 | OutCast3k | Azar, i can still boot into the old kernel, but booting into the new one 2.6.8 gives me issues.. it seems to be something with megaraid.. |
| 20:10.18 | fly | it sounds like : "install all the package for a desktop environment " i think ( including X ) |
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| 20:10.25 | Azar | OutCast3k oh I thought the fs or lilo is giving you hardship |
| 20:10.30 | soth` | greycat: n1 cheers |
| 20:10.54 | OutCast3k | Azar, i found a better way to install it.. i was downloading the source and building it :\ |
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| 20:11.22 | OutCast3k | Azar, now i've managed to get it installed... but when i reboot into it, i get a kernel panic from megaraid.. |
| 20:11.35 | Azar | oh the panic is from hd |
| 20:11.58 | Azar | OutCast3k, I never had such issue, so I would not know what to say |
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| 20:12.18 | OutCast3k | Azar, i found something before which fixed it... => http://lists.debian.org/debian-user/2005/01/msg03405.html |
| 20:12.34 | OutCast3k | Azar, as i had a similar issue when i first installed debian |
| 20:12.34 | drezzzz | hi all ! |
| 20:13.02 | OutCast3k | Azar, but i havent changed the /etc/mkinitrd/modules so why would i still get the errors :\ |
| 20:13.04 | Azar | OutCast3k, then it is the hard drive ... what could I say |
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| 20:13.19 | OutCast3k | oh well... :\ |
| 20:13.25 | drezzzz | I need a extra storage on my debian server and wonder if someone ever try iscsi card ? |
| 20:13.45 | thomstratton | Newbie Question: is there a keystroke combination I can use to pause scrolling during the kernel load so I can see the messages displayed? |
| 20:13.55 | kingsley_ | drezzzz: How about compressing the data? |
| 20:13.58 | asg | thomstratton: type 'dmesg' after boot to display them |
| 20:13.59 | Azar | OutCast3k maybe just try the Rescue maybe it works |
| 20:14.21 | drezzzz | kingsley_ : compressing 1TB .... |
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| 20:14.41 | drezzzz | I need 1TB extensible to 2 or 3 |
| 20:14.45 | thomstratton | asg thanks... now all I have to do is get it to boot :) |
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| 20:15.42 | drezzzz | My question is about hardware support for iscsi or fiber chanel extension card. Is there some model supported ? |
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| 20:15.56 | shiner840 | Could anybody help me with an apt-get install problem, I'm getting some strange errors with packages I've installed, I've tried apt-get update and -f install but still have same errors... output is... http://rafb.net/paste/results/sF1jVi69.html please :) |
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| 20:16.35 | asg | !tell otsego about root |
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| 20:17.18 | kingsley_ | drezzzz: lzop and rzip (with compression level 0) take about 5 times as long as just copying the data and, depending on the type of data, can increase your effective disk space from 70% to 200%. |
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| 20:18.12 | greycat | haha |
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| 20:18.17 | kingsley_ | lzop works as a filter, rzip doesn't. |
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| 20:18.43 | Azar | greycat, share please |
| 20:18.44 | drezzzz | kingsley_ : compressing data is already implemented with gzip2 for backup but for a uncompressed mirror, there no way to backup...! |
| 20:18.50 | greycat | Azar: 15:17 + foreskin [penis@66.42.70.72] joined #debian |
| 20:18.53 | asg | bris time |
| 20:18.54 | Azar | :) |
| 20:19.09 | greycat | gzip2? |
| 20:19.11 | foreskin | hi |
| 20:19.13 | foreskin | :) |
| 20:19.22 | drezzzz | sorry : bzip2 |
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| 20:19.25 | Azar | I only heard of bzip2 |
| 20:19.37 | drezzzz | well didn t help |
| 20:19.50 | drezzzz | think i ll buy suse ... |
| 20:20.01 | asg | drezzzz: I've used QLA2300 fiber cards with our FastT |
| 20:20.03 | Azar | your money, your time |
| 20:20.12 | asg | drezzzz: the installation was non-trivial, however, but doable |
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| 20:20.53 | asg | drezzzz: if you don't want to actually boot from SAN and just access partitions, it is trivial |
| 20:21.16 | drezzzz | <asg> : which device did you plug to ?? |
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| 20:21.36 | drezzzz | I don't want to boot on sans |
| 20:21.56 | asg | drezzzz: an IBM FastT SAN array |
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| 20:22.08 | kingsley_ | drezzzz: Perhaps if you replaced bzip2 with rzip at compression level 5 you'd have enough extra disk space to mirror. bzip2 gives you an extra 150% disk space, but rzip 5 gives you an extra 350% and it's faster. |
| 20:22.16 | drezzzz | <asg> : coool... |
| 20:22.42 | kingsley_ | drezzzz: But, with rzip, you'd need space for a temporary tar file. It doesn't owrk as a filter. |
| 20:22.45 | asg | drezzzz: there are well supported cards (directhex can tell you about them) but I've only worked with the qla2300s |
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| 20:23.27 | drezzzz | <asg> : is that a card from ibm too ? |
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| 20:24.24 | asg | drezzzz: yes, it's an IBM tweaked qlogic card |
| 20:24.26 | OutCast3k | Azar, no luck in recovery... |
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| 20:25.17 | drezzzz | <asg> : tweaked ??? |
| 20:25.26 | asg | drezzzz: they added some bits |
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| 20:27.20 | drezzzz | asg> : soory I don't find the FasT storage array is it an old system (I'm searching in 'Disk Storage Systems') |
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| 20:28.06 | Azar | OutCast3k -noinitrd ? |
| 20:28.15 | _tuX | I must benchmark a J2EE server interfaced with an Oracle server : Which tools can I use ? |
| 20:28.16 | asg | drezzzz: http://www.nasi.com/IBM_FAStT.php |
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| 20:28.43 | OutCast3k | Azar, sorry? |
| 20:28.56 | drezzzz | asg : WOW |
| 20:28.58 | greycat | _tuX: you mean, which tools to use on your wrists? |
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| 20:29.04 | pigor | hello :-) i have one question |
| 20:29.04 | greycat | _tuX: razor blades. |
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| 20:29.36 | drezzzz | asg : its a expXXX |
| 20:29.39 | asg | drezzzz: you might also look at NetAPP and their filer solutions |
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| 20:29.45 | kingsley_ | pigor: We may have one answer. |
| 20:29.46 | asg | drezzzz: yes, they are expensive |
| 20:30.02 | Azar | OutCast3k this is how I did it: insert the bood disk and at the command line typed: rescue=root"path to your root here /devhda1 or what ever your hd is - noinitrd |
| 20:30.13 | drezzzz | asg : I was looking to buy a ds300 or a exp400 ...! |
| 20:30.19 | Azar | err -noinitrd |
| 20:30.21 | asg | drezzzz: some something less pricey, you might look at etherdrive |
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| 20:30.29 | pigor | i have an notebook with an internal mouse and told it my xserver ... but sometimes i want to use an usb-mouse. how can i tell it my xserver? (without dpkg-reconfigure) |
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| 20:30.54 | OutCast3k | Azar, ok. thx i'll try it |
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| 20:31.13 | _tuX | greycat : razor blades is it enough ? |
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| 20:31.25 | Albacker | guys I'm geting something with apt-get install. |
| 20:31.36 | kingsley_ | pigor: Perhaps edit /etc/X11/XF86Config-4 and restart X by pressing ctl-alt-backspace. |
| 20:31.36 | asg | Albacker: that's usually what happens |
| 20:31.39 | Albacker | how do I pause it and restart it tomorrow/I'm using dial up ! |
| 20:31.46 | asg | Albacker: CTRL+C |
| 20:31.52 | asg | Albacker: just 'apt-get install foo' tomorrow |
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| 20:32.09 | pigor | kingsley_: hmm .. i will try |
| 20:32.35 | Albacker | asg, ok thanks. |
| 20:32.47 | Delph | How can i find out all the packages that a specific package depends on? |
| 20:32.53 | VoX | when i'm trying to build these nvidia kernel bits, it's complaing that it cant find qm_modules. what is it and where do i get it? :) |
| 20:33.00 | asg | !qm_modules |
| 20:33.00 | dpkg | install module-init-tools, or <Justin_> like I said a while ago, it should be QM_ID10T_MODULES, or ask me about <bunk 2.6> |
| 20:33.05 | Delph | like i can do apt-cache show foo, and see that it depends on badger, but i want to also have the dependencies of badger listed as well. |
| 20:33.09 | Azar | OutCast3k, after you do that, login and do /sbin/lilo |
| 20:33.11 | Delph | all the way back to things that don't have dependencies. |
| 20:33.14 | VoX | ahh module-init |
| 20:33.16 | VoX | cheers |
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| 20:33.34 | asg | Delph: apt-rdepends |
| 20:33.39 | Delph | asg: ah, thanks. |
| 20:33.42 | Azar | VoX you did it? :) |
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| 20:33.55 | drezzzz | asg : so thx a lot, your info is gold |
| 20:34.05 | asg | drezzzz: you're welcome, hope it all works out for you |
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| 20:36.40 | VoX | ahh crap |
| 20:36.54 | VoX | that means my kernel modules probably didnt compile properly |
| 20:36.56 | Delph | asg: sorry to bother... |
| 20:37.05 | Delph | how can vim depend on vim-common; but vim-common depend on vim ? |
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| 20:37.29 | thomstratton | Delph - maybe they must both be installed in order for the other to be useful? |
| 20:37.59 | Delph | thomstratton: hmm, i would have thought that things like gvim would use vim-common without vim. |
| 20:38.02 | Delph | ah well. |
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| 20:38.16 | thomstratton | I didn't think of the graphic version |
| 20:38.17 | Delph | (so then vim just needs vim-common, and installing vim-common doesn't even give you an executable) |
| 20:38.31 | Delph | thomstratton: but the two packages that need each other thing i didn't think about. |
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| 20:38.44 | geistbak | can anyone recomend me a program with almost identical functionality/features in the vein of mondorescue and mkCDrec? |
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| 20:46.03 | asg | geistbak: you might try bootcd to make a live cd of an already running system that can also be installed to drives afterwards. |
| 20:46.05 | oskie | anyone checked out BitTorrent 4.0.0? there's no documentation, no changelog, no news file whatsoever. they're using Yahoo for mailing lists! wtf?! |
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| 20:47.20 | LSorensen | oskie: most people seem to think bittornado is better than bittorrent as a client anyhow |
| 20:47.35 | _keroppi_ | I have an ipw2100 adapter, and it used to be working fine with the ipw2100 driver from source forge, and now modprobe gives this error in dmesg: http://www.pastebin.com/251583 -- I've googled the error text and nothing useful came up at all. Any ideas? |
| 20:47.37 | oskie | LSorensen: yeah but isn't that coded by one person only..or? |
| 20:47.50 | Space_NL | is there an emule client for linux btw ? |
| 20:48.07 | Space_NL | (speaking about bittorent :-) |
| 20:48.11 | LSorensen | oskie: bittornado is a very impresive piece of python code |
| 20:48.20 | LSorensen | Space_NL: I suspect amule or mldonkey would do |
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| 20:48.42 | Jacobo221 | Space_NL: aMule |
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| 20:49.05 | Space_NL | thnx |
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| 20:50.02 | acker | hello. Proble with dcgui-qt in sarge. problem with libdc0. Dependecy trouble |
| 20:50.10 | greycat | acker: file a bug |
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| 20:50.52 | acker | it was filled a bug a few weeks ago because libdc0 broke dcgui-qt |
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| 20:51.17 | acker | but nothing new, and libdc0 seems is provided for valknut. But there is not valknut |
| 20:51.21 | greycat | fix the bug and submit the patch |
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| 20:52.05 | _keroppi_ | Is there a log of what apt-get dist-upgrade has done? |
| 20:52.06 | greycat | they'll probably ignore it, of course, but then you get to put up your own web site with your fixed .debs on it |
| 20:52.16 | greycat | _keroppi_: no |
| 20:52.18 | acker | yeah. fix all bugs and make a new kernel and os |
| 20:52.25 | acker | thanks a lot :) |
| 20:52.26 | _keroppi_ | greycat: Why on earth not? |
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| 20:53.08 | acker | greycat: is debian only for programmers, developers and coders? |
| 20:53.21 | greycat | <PROTECTED> |
| 20:53.21 | greycat | <PROTECTED> |
| 20:53.21 | greycat | <PROTECTED> |
| 20:53.21 | greycat | <PROTECTED> |
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| 20:53.30 | greycat | it was worth it. |
| 20:53.30 | dondelelcaro | !dbugs 957 |
| 20:53.35 | asg | :) |
| 20:53.35 | dpkg | #957:W[dpkg] dpkg should automatically log everything Wed, 7 Jun 1995 14:03:02 UTC [#53376,#77109,#143882] |
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| 20:53.50 | greycat | dondelelcaro: that doesn't have the same impact as "9 years and 278 days old." |
| 20:54.24 | asg | acker: no but you are using testing which isn't stable and therefore will exhibit bugs |
| 20:54.52 | acker | and i've comed here because maybe is using it and fixed it in some way |
| 20:55.02 | greycat | ackron: alternatively, if it's fixed in unstable but just hasn't trickled down yet, /msg dpkg simple sid backport |
| 20:55.08 | greycat | s/ackron/acker/ |
| 20:55.11 | acker | i've tried compiling from sources but i've got some errors as well |
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| 20:55.44 | _keroppi_ | greycat: Why do you think there's no need for dpkg or apt to log everything it does? |
| 20:56.08 | greycat | I never said there was no need. |
| 20:56.11 | Coily | is it possible to access registry keys from a mounted windows partition? |
| 20:56.27 | greycat | There's a 9 year and 278 day old wishlist bug filed to request precisely that feature. |
| 20:56.41 | acker | ok... i'll go filling a bug report. thanks for your time |
| 20:56.42 | greycat | !possible |
| 20:56.42 | dpkg | Anything's possible. Some things are more possible than others. You'll need to ask a more meaningful question if you want to find out how possible your planned course of action is. |
| 20:56.53 | Coily | anyone? |
| 20:57.03 | greycat | ask a windows channel |
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| 20:57.38 | nagual | Coily: of course it is, why wouldnt it be? |
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| 20:58.07 | _keroppi_ | greycat: Well, my ipw2100 driver no longer loads, and I think it's because I did a dist-upgrade on unstable last night. But I have no idea what was updated... |
| 20:58.13 | Kerr | anyone know an app that can edit swf files? |
| 20:58.20 | Coily | nagel, because i dont know where they are stored :x |
| 20:58.27 | greycat | _keroppi_: ls -lart /var/lib/dpkg/info/*.list |
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| 20:58.54 | nagual | Coily: well, i have to congratulate you on your choice of place on asking that qustion |
| 20:59.04 | nagual | and on the way you spell my nick :) |
| 20:59.18 | vince- | Hello, does any of you knows the seagate cheetah scsi hard drives? I would like to know if they are hotplug hard drives or normal ones |
| 20:59.23 | greycat | nagual: there's a nagel here too. nick completion... |
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| 20:59.40 | nagual | ah. |
| 20:59.52 | _keroppi_ | greycat: Holy shit, thanks. This is what I was looking for. =) |
| 20:59.53 | Coily | nagual, i guessed i might need something like regedit to view them |
| 20:59.53 | scoopexH | i would be also very happy if logging will be included in apt......i'm wondering about that..... |
| 20:59.56 | bltzfsck | hey nagual, you seen tonal lately? |
| 21:00.00 | valdyn | _keroppi_: the options that can be given to ipw2100 changed |
| 21:00.09 | nagual | bltzfsck: yea, i see tonal all the time, wherever i turn :) |
| 21:00.15 | efort | could someone tell me what's with the stock debian testing kernel not supporting fat and how I get this working? |
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| 21:00.17 | nagual | Coily: good idea |
| 21:00.26 | greycat | efort: mount -t vfat /foo /bar |
| 21:00.27 | Coily | nagual, but if you could please tell me where they are id be set... |
| 21:00.31 | greycat | efort: should auto-load the driver |
| 21:00.44 | nagual | Coily: yea, i probably could. |
| 21:00.49 | efort | sec |
| 21:00.53 | _keroppi_ | valdyn: Changed in what, the newest ipw2100 driver, or some other package that apt-get dist-upgrade would have changed last night? Where do I specify what options are actually passed when trying to modprobe ipw2100? |
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| 21:01.45 | savio_R | Hello, I am not understanding how mmv works. How can I use the "#" in "to file"? |
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| 21:02.06 | pack | So totem has some sorta bug in testing, that seems like it was resolved in unstable but hasn't made it back to testing yet. is there a way to find out what packages are in the queue for testing? |
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| 21:02.28 | toukitsune | anyone know how to get direct rendering to work? |
| 21:02.36 | asg | pack: if it's just one package, you can try installing unstable's fixed package until it filters into testing |
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| 21:02.48 | efort | thanks |
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| 21:03.12 | pack | asg: mixing and matching makes me sad. but that was what i figured i'd have to do |
| 21:03.30 | greg_work | i have a hardware modem (3Com Corp, Modem Division (formerly US Robotics) 56K FaxModem Model 5610) that discover can find, however, nothing else can (setserial -g, wvdialconf) .. how do I configure it? |
| 21:03.32 | asg | pack: it isn't mixing and matching per sé, it will eventually enter testing unchanged |
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| 21:03.58 | asg | pack: I'm not saying stick unstable sources in /etc/apt/sources.list, just grabbing the deb from snapshot.debian.net and installing it with dpkg |
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| 21:05.10 | Blissex | greg_work: its a winmodem most likely. ''hardware modem'' does not necessarily mean what you think... |
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| 21:05.44 | Blissex | greg_work: however someone has reported success: http://lists.suse.com/archive/suse-linux-e/2000-Feb/1004.html |
| 21:06.05 | toukitsune | Anyone know how to get direct rendering working on Debian? I know on knoppix it works but I need to get it wroking on my Sarge distro so I can play stepmania |
| 21:06.28 | greg_work | Blissex: its a true hardware modem, i'm 100% sure. i have put other identical modems in many boxes |
| 21:06.41 | _keroppi_ | valdyn: did you get my question? How did the options passed to ipw2100 change, and how can I fix it? |
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| 21:07.43 | clown | After install apache and php4, why do I have to edit /etc/apache/httpd.conf to "AddType application/x-httpd-php .php", if this is already mentioned in /etc/mime.types?? |
| 21:07.47 | Blissex | greg_work: as I said, ''hardware modem'' odes not necessarily mean what you think. Most hardware modems are winmodems... |
| 21:07.50 | paulswm | Blissex, greg_work : A 5610 is a controller based modem, I have one, model 3CP5610A |
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| 21:07.59 | Patad | i just got sarge and a new screen has popped up |
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| 21:08.02 | uwai | hi |
| 21:08.04 | demon | anyone know why it is that when I'm trying to netboot debian now, I'm getting an error about not being able to find kernel modules? are all the rc2 module udebs gone? |
| 21:08.08 | uwai | i have a question |
| 21:08.12 | Patad | what interface should be used for confiuring packages |
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| 21:08.15 | Blissex | greg_work: however, what matters is that the 5610 has not only a controller, but also a fw ROM. |
| 21:08.20 | greg_work | paulswm: as in, true hardware, correct? |
| 21:08.23 | greycat | Patad: dpkg-reconfigure, usually |
| 21:08.25 | _keroppi_ | uwai: just ask the question, don't ask to ask |
| 21:08.38 | paulswm | greg_work: Yes, don't listen to Blissex |
| 21:08.38 | Patad | greycat, the options are dialog and readline |
| 21:08.41 | asg | pack: pick dialog |
| 21:08.42 | greycat | Patad: oh, you want to know what to pick on that screen. use dialog. |
| 21:08.43 | asg | bah |
| 21:08.47 | greg_work | i realize theres 3 types really .. host-based, half host-based (I forget which part is which), and fully controller-based |
| 21:08.49 | greycat | !widhe |
| 21:08.49 | dpkg | When In Doubt, Hit Enter |
| 21:08.59 | Blissex | paulswm: note that you too seem to be ignorant of what ''hardware modem'' means.. |
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| 21:09.14 | Blissex | greg_work: there are actually _four_ categories then. |
| 21:09.15 | Patad | greycat, hehe now on the next one, what prioity should i have? medium? |
| 21:09.31 | greycat | depends on how much control you want |
| 21:09.33 | uwai | <PROTECTED> |
| 21:09.37 | Blissex | greg_work: the fourth category is fully controller based but without onboard rom. |
| 21:09.45 | paulswm | greg_work: there is no reason why that modem should not work just fine. |
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| 21:09.45 | Patad | medium will do |
| 21:10.03 | alfatau | hi, i installed sarge. when i boot the kernel, it autodetects and loads some kernel modules. One of them is the "PC Speaker" drivers. can i configure my boot options to avoid loading it? i dislike it because it beeps strongly and disturbs people sleeping. can u help me? |
| 21:10.07 | asg | uwai: if it was on the first disc, it would be called /dev/hda anyhow |
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| 21:10.11 | xarg | where can I find info on setting up the hubbed_hosts router in exim3? |
| 21:10.16 | greycat | alfatau: /msg dpkg blacklist |
| 21:10.18 | greg_work | paulswm: yeah, like i said.. i use it in other systems. i have a "MAKEDEV -v ttyS4" in my setup scripts for those ones |
| 21:10.23 | Patad | greycat, do i want my system wide readable home directories? |
| 21:10.23 | asg | xarg: /usr/share/rdoc/exim/spec.tar.gz |
| 21:10.24 | greycat | alfatau: /msg dpkg bell |
| 21:10.33 | greg_work | but it doesn't seem to be working on this system (which is otherwise different hardware than i normally use) |
| 21:10.33 | greycat | !breastfeed Patad |
| 21:10.52 | asg | oops, s/tar/txt/ |
| 21:10.53 | Patad | greycat, its only for this sarge setup, noithing else! |
| 21:11.18 | valdyn | _keroppi_: the module changed ( ipw2100-source would be the package ) |
| 21:11.18 | Patad | greycat, should i upgrade Flex? |
| 21:11.28 | uwai | <PROTECTED> |
| 21:11.44 | _keroppi_ | valdyn: I'm using the package from the sourceforge site. |
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| 21:12.12 | _keroppi_ | valdyn: And I've had the latest version of ipw2100-source for a while... I already tried to update it today, said it was latest. |
| 21:12.19 | puppet | Hia all |
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| 21:12.26 | valdyn | _keroppi_: guess then that is not your problem |
| 21:12.28 | greg_work | so is there a way i can configure this modem? Like i said, discover lists it .. but thats it. i dunno what port/irq etc it's on, and i can't get any other programs to find it |
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| 21:12.39 | uwai | does my reboot work with this warning ? |
| 21:12.39 | raf256 | how can I read in "normal" email clients this local emails in example sent to root by crontab etcc |
| 21:12.54 | raf256 | this ones with I can see using $mail |
| 21:13.01 | Patad | how will i know when sarge is fully installed? |
| 21:13.23 | greycat | Patad: because you won't be asking us any more questions. |
| 21:13.24 | raf256 | Patad: when it will finish the instalation process? |
| 21:13.30 | asg | raf256: have your mta deliver them to wherever your client expects to read them or configure your mua to read from where they are stored. |
| 21:13.31 | paulswm | greg_work: It may be dependent on the PCI slot you use. On my mobo, I needed to place it so it wasn't sharing an IRQ with my AGP card |
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| 21:13.34 | Patad | greycat, lol |
| 21:13.42 | Patad | greycat, should i upgrade glibc? |
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| 21:13.54 | greg_work | paulswm: lspci (forgot about that one) says it's using irq 144 |
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| 21:14.07 | stew | Patad: maybe you should hire greycat if you want him to install this for you |
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| 21:14.17 | raf256 | asg: I have my email delivered to me, only I wonder how to read it using normal programs... |
| 21:14.19 | alfatau | greycat: thank you, and, another question: my machine is a notebook (ASUS M6Ne). when i shut down the pc it doesn't turn off automatically, but i have to keep the power key pressed to turn off it. elsewhere the last message shown is "Power down" and "acpi power off called". do u know what could i do? |
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| 21:14.31 | Patad | well anyone then, should i upgrade glibc? |
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| 21:14.39 | asg | raf256: mail(1) is a normal program |
| 21:14.50 | paulswm | greg_work: 144?? |
| 21:14.54 | valdyn | Patad: you're in the process of doing what? installing sarge? |
| 21:14.55 | asg | Patad: are you in the security updates bit? |
| 21:15.02 | greg_work | paulswm: thats what it says :p |
| 21:15.03 | Patad | valdyn, yes im installing sarge |
| 21:15.09 | websdale | greg_work:try http://www.linuxforum.com/forums/index.php?showtopic=73343&st=0&#entry318027 |
| 21:15.19 | Patad | asg, i would say so |
| 21:15.23 | paulswm | greg_work: mine: Subsystem: 5610 56K FaxModem: Unknown device 00d3 |
| 21:15.24 | paulswm | <PROTECTED> |
| 21:15.25 | yoshio_ | alfatau: I have "acpi=on" in my grub file |
| 21:15.31 | valdyn | Patad: i know of no glibc update in sarge.. |
| 21:15.38 | Patad | valdyn, what?? |
| 21:15.49 | Patad | valdyn, ill just say yes |
| 21:16.00 | asg | Patad: just say yes, if it gets frobbed, you can always start again and say no. |
| 21:16.09 | valdyn | Patad: i agree, say yes |
| 21:16.09 | Patad | lol nice! |
| 21:16.22 | asg | Patad: not that that's likely to happen unless you did something unorthodox |
| 21:16.22 | Patad | i have to restart services now |
| 21:16.24 | takatumi | update glibc to what? from a fresh install? |
| 21:16.30 | valdyn | Patad: still wondering _where_ you got that from |
| 21:16.32 | Patad | from woody |
| 21:16.33 | asg | takatumi: a security update most likely |
| 21:16.40 | asg | Patad: ohhhhhh, you didn't say that |
| 21:16.46 | stew | heh |
| 21:16.46 | Patad | lol |
| 21:16.54 | valdyn | Patad: ok, you're upgrading, that is a "minor" differnce =p |
| 21:16.55 | Patad | i gotta reboot my machine, there goes my uptime :( |
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| 21:17.00 | paulswm | greg_work: that don't sound right to me (144 I mean) |
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| 21:17.02 | alfatau | yoshio_: me too |
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| 21:17.11 | asg | Patad: uptime is meaningless if you are rooted |
| 21:17.12 | alfatau | yoshio_: which laptop? |
| 21:17.17 | Patad | asg, lol |
| 21:17.20 | paulswm | greg_work: perhaps try a different slot |
| 21:17.23 | Patad | be back later when server is on |
| 21:17.55 | websdale | greg_work: the poster describes how he got his 3com 5610 working - it is a hardware modem, but you have to create a ttyS4 & setserial to that it seems |
| 21:18.28 | yoshio_ | alfatau: asus L1400 series, very strange, it has chinese/korean/japanese characters on the keycaps, but I bought it here in the US |
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| 21:18.50 | paulswm | greg_work: websdale has a point, mine was on ttyS4 once |
| 21:18.55 | greg_work | paulswm: yeah it sounds strange to me too, i think i will just move it. |
| 21:18.56 | idimmu | i have a dubious command running on a box of a friends, if i know its pid is there an easy way to find out it's location? |
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| 21:18.58 | puppet | g++: installation problem, cannot exec `cc1plus': No such file or directory |
| 21:19.03 | puppet | why aint I finding a solution? :( |
| 21:19.12 | greg_work | the other ones i have are ttyS4 too |
| 21:19.14 | asg | puppet: apt-get install build-essential |
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| 21:19.21 | greycat | !b-e puppet |
| 21:19.22 | dpkg | puppet: Sounds like you need to install build-essential. |
| 21:19.29 | paulswm | greg_work: If you have a windows partition, boot it up and see what COM number Windows IDs it as |
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| 21:19.34 | puppet | dpkg, asg <3 Thanks |
| 21:19.40 | puppet | :) |
| 21:19.45 | alfatau | yoshio_: mmhh, i think it's not the same mainboard, so it could work well but mine not :( |
| 21:19.48 | greg_work | but all i had to do for them was MAKEDEV /dev/ttyS4 . difference is those are all mini-itx systems, this is a linux server on a normal atx board |
| 21:19.52 | edsuom | Several weeks ago, I learned that running sid on my server was stupid of me. I haven't touch apt since. I don't suppose I can just change sid to woody in /etc/apt/sources.list, can I? |
| 21:19.53 | greg_work | paulswm: thats funny. :p |
| 21:20.08 | Space_NL | hmm, i do an ps aux .. i see "lpd" running .. but when i tell apt to remove the package .. it sais it can nog be found .. any ideas ? |
| 21:20.09 | yoshio_ | alfatau: I have asus_acpi, thermal,ac,processor, button,battery in my /sbin/lsmod output |
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| 21:20.16 | paulswm | greg_work: Actually, that's how I figured out mine back in the potato days :) |
| 21:20.31 | alfatau | yoshio_: me too |
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| 21:21.08 | paulswm | greg_work: But now although the card's still in the box I've removed ppp cos of the 5MBit cable connection :P |
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| 21:21.41 | yoshio_ | alfatau: did you apt-get install acpid? |
| 21:21.49 | alfatau | and... anyone knows how to discover which boot options could i call from loading the kernel? for example adding the append "" line to lilo.conf? |
| 21:21.55 | greg_work | paulswm: sadly i need this for sendpage to send to a TAP pager that has no email address |
| 21:21.57 | alfatau | yoshio_: yes, of course |
| 21:22.13 | alfatau | yoshio_: acpi works well, and laptop-mode too |
| 21:22.16 | KirbyMeister | why is apt trying to install this caudium crap? |
| 21:22.18 | paulswm | !comfort greg_work |
| 21:22.18 | dpkg | There, there, greg_work. It's OK. I'm here for you. |
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| 21:22.22 | valdyn | Space_NL: why should "lpd" be from a package named "lpd" ? "dpkg -s bin/lpd" |
| 21:22.25 | valdyn | Space_NL: why should "lpd" be from a package named "lpd" ? "dpkg -S bin/lpd" |
| 21:22.26 | alfatau | yoshio_: only turning off i have problems |
| 21:22.52 | yoshio_ | alfatau: I guess your BIOS options are OK then |
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| 21:23.00 | Space_NL | valdyn: well .. dont know .. thats why i came in here .. thnx |
| 21:23.08 | dondelelcaro | lpd is in a package called cups, lpr or lprng |
| 21:23.15 | dondelelcaro | !+find bin/lpd |
| 21:23.18 | alfatau | yoshio_: i think yes |
| 21:23.27 | dpkg | Debian Search of 'bin/lpd' (2): (/usr/sbin/lpdomatic) in text/foomatic-filters ;; (/usr/sbin/lpd) in net/lpr,net/lprng,net/lpr-ppd. |
| 21:23.28 | asg | dondelelcaro: cupsys-bsd or cupsys-client |
| 21:23.39 | asg | dondelelcaro: eep, disregard that |
| 21:23.51 | dondelelcaro | although, why you'd care about lpd is beyond me... you usually want lpr |
| 21:24.02 | BlueWolf | heloo I don`t know linux at all, i`d installed Debian Woody and i have a problem with x server, don`t start . I used kernel bf 24 because i need ext3 and the vanilla kernel witch runs fast and good it is too stupid and don`t know ext3. |
| 21:24.03 | greg_work | yeah. thanks. :) |
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| 21:24.23 | yoshio_ | alfatau: you didn't modify /etc/acpi/events/powerbtn and /etc/acpi/powerbtn.sh, did you? |
| 21:24.27 | dondelelcaro | (or lpq or lprm or something) |
| 21:24.28 | valdyn | BlueWolf: is your gfx card supported by woody? which one is it? |
| 21:24.32 | andrius | any ppc people out there? |
| 21:24.46 | dondelelcaro | andrius: just ask your question, or ask in #debianppc |
| 21:24.47 | stew | andrius: #debianppc |
| 21:24.48 | asg | BlueWolf: since you are install X on woody, this is probably not a server. If not, just install sarge (and read our FAQ (/msg dpkg faq)) |
| 21:24.51 | andrius | ah |
| 21:24.52 | andrius | hehe |
| 21:24.57 | asg | BlueWolf: and buy and introductory book on Unix |
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| 21:25.07 | asg | s/install/installing/ |
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| 21:25.10 | toresbe | Anyone know of an IRC client that doesn't need much hardware? |
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| 21:25.17 | dondelelcaro | toresbe: irssi-text |
| 21:25.20 | asg | toresbe: irssi-text |
| 21:25.20 | alfatau | yoshio_: not yet, before i want to view my laptop working well... :) |
| 21:25.40 | toresbe | asg: dondelelcaro that all depends on glib :( |
| 21:25.43 | dondelelcaro | if irssi-text is too much... well, you've got some really weak hardware. |
| 21:25.49 | asg | toresbe: telnet |
| 21:25.57 | toresbe | asg: Argh, the horror :P |
| 21:26.02 | dondelelcaro | toresbe: so build it statically |
| 21:26.04 | yoshio_ | BlueWolf: dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xfree86 |
| 21:26.08 | asg | toresbe: statically compile it and learn the protocol |
| 21:26.20 | asg | toresbe: it isn't *that* hard, at least for simple things |
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| 21:26.38 | LittleFire | Anyone knows when Gnome 2.10 will be in SID? |
| 21:26.44 | yoshio_ | BlueWolf: you don't have really new display hardware do you? woody's X may be too old to have good drivers |
| 21:26.52 | toresbe | asg: telnet irc.freenode.net 6667, right? |
| 21:26.52 | dondelelcaro | LittleFire: when the maintainers actually upload it to sid. |
| 21:26.55 | valdyn | !info libglib2.0-0 |
| 21:26.59 | dpkg | libglib2.0-0: (The GLib library of C routines), section libs, is optional. Version: 2.6.3-1 (sid), Packaged size: 436 kB, Installed size: 972 kB |
| 21:27.01 | paulswm | resiak: Note the Gnome question |
| 21:27.04 | asg | LittleFire: when it arrives in 'incoming.debian.org', let us know |
| 21:27.14 | asg | toresbe: that should work |
| 21:27.17 | paulswm | !prize resiak |
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| 21:27.21 | toresbe | asg: dosnae |
| 21:27.28 | toresbe | asg: I'm logged onto a cray :) |
| 21:27.32 | HeavenWarrior | LittleFire, ;) |
| 21:27.38 | paulswm | He said it wouldn't last till this evening |
| 21:27.41 | andrius | anyone know why the monitor looks funky with the debianppc netinstall on a new powerbook g4? |
| 21:27.41 | LittleFire | sure, it's clear. I ask u 'cause right now i've installed it from ubuntu pkgs |
| 21:27.42 | ecko | BlueWolf: Debian is great but it's not great for new useres |
| 21:27.50 | daww | What Desktop manager is recommended: KDE or GNOME? |
| 21:27.52 | ecko | it has exactly zero handholding |
| 21:27.56 | dondelelcaro | andrius: wrong modeline, most likely |
| 21:28.03 | dondelelcaro | daww: we don't recommend DMs here. |
| 21:28.08 | ecko | daww: They're both good, I use gnome cuz it's better :-P |
| 21:28.11 | paulswm | daww: Both or neither, entirely your choice |
| 21:28.25 | toresbe | ecko: true, that's what Ubuntu is for :) |
| 21:28.27 | daww | Ok |
| 21:28.28 | baronsamedi | daww, i'm a big xfce4 fan. try a few out, it can't hurt |
| 21:28.28 | andrius | dondelelcaro: it's just a standard netinstall...not windows based |
| 21:28.49 | ecko | KDE is a little lighter on older machines (note I said a little) |
| 21:28.50 | dondelelcaro | andrius: you mean the fb display is wierd looking? |
| 21:28.56 | ecko | Gnome is MUCH more consistent |
| 21:28.59 | toresbe | ecko: not anymore |
| 21:29.00 | dondelelcaro | andrius: that's pretty unusual |
| 21:29.05 | baronsamedi | ecko, xfce4's uber light and rather consistent... |
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| 21:29.12 | Delph | ecko: and neither is much lighter on any machine. |
| 21:29.13 | toresbe | ecko: Lately, KDE's been getting slower, and GNOME faster |
| 21:29.23 | toresbe | ecko: but for old hardware, fluxbox is king :) |
| 21:29.29 | ecko | toresbe: I haven't used KDE's most recent release so I can't say |
| 21:29.30 | idimmu | if a script is running, and it's been deleted is there anyway to get it back? (ext3fs) |
| 21:29.31 | sgeigerb` | toresbe: xfce |
| 21:29.34 | paulswm | No boubt, toresbe |
| 21:29.37 | paulswm | doubt |
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| 21:29.45 | daww | ecko: It seems to be a bit easier to configure mouse, keyboard, screen resolution in GNOME rather then KDE |
| 21:29.45 | dondelelcaro | andrius: most likely its still the fb parameters, since they aren't all that different from X's modelines. |
| 21:30.07 | ecko | daww: It's much easier the options make more sense and are in more sensible locations |
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| 21:30.14 | dondelelcaro | andrius: I'd ask in #debianppc and give your specific model number, or search google for it. I didn't have any problems with my g4, but then, it's only a 400MHz one. |
| 21:30.16 | ecko | KDE's motto seems to be features featres features |
| 21:30.29 | ecko | and while some of them are cool more often than not they're half assed |
| 21:30.30 | andrius | dondelelcaro: thanks |
| 21:30.51 | sgeigerb` | ecko: all are apparently geared towards drawing windows users to linux, imho. |
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| 21:31.19 | ecko | sgeigerb`: yeah but I remember when I used KDE something would break horribly every release |
| 21:31.31 | c4_ | loadlin ./vmlinuz root=/dev/ram rw initrd=./initrd.gz ramdisk_size=32768 devfs=mount,dall and the newest version of loadlin <<-- is the way thigs just works perfect! |
| 21:31.38 | c4_ | hoochie mama! |
| 21:31.43 | Space_NL | isnt iptables standard in sarge ? do i still need to insmod that ? |
| 21:31.47 | zahod | so, drawing windows users to linux is bad? |
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| 21:31.50 | paulswm | and I have it just today on good authority that Konqueror sucks ass |
| 21:31.55 | c4_ | take note! |
| 21:32.07 | daww | ecko, There is no KDE appz on the Application menu in GNOME |
| 21:32.10 | Epicurus | hi there |
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| 21:32.14 | sgeigerb` | ecko: I think on a livecd install it is okay, but yeah...maintaining the thing could be ugly. No thanks. |
| 21:32.19 | Patad | u-oh.... |
| 21:32.23 | Patad | somthings happened |
| 21:32.26 | stew | Space_NL: the sarge kernels will have iptables support enabled, don't use insmod, use modprobe |
| 21:32.28 | dondelelcaro | Space_NL: no, it's not, and you need to install iptables and then load whatever modules you want to use. |
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| 21:32.30 | jjazz_ | paulswm: I don't use KDE anymore, but konq is really the one thing I miss |
| 21:32.56 | Patad | Errors were encountered while processing: /var/cache/apt/archives/flex |
| 21:33.07 | c4_ | does someone here take notes of responses to questions? |
| 21:33.08 | sgeigerb` | jjazz_: yes, it is a shame that you can't use all those io slaves in a non-kde client |
| 21:33.10 | dondelelcaro | zahod: it's fine if they come on their own, but far to often they're a support nightmare without any actual contribution to the community |
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| 21:33.12 | stew | jjazz_: then apt-get install konqeror |
| 21:33.21 | paulswm | jjazz: Not my opinion, but one of someone whom I respect, maybe things have gone the wrong way since you used it, si, miss it no more :) |
| 21:33.30 | Patad | anyone know what happened? and nothings happening.. is sarge complete/ |
| 21:33.32 | Epicurus | does anybody know any debian fork/branch/distro specially made for servers ??? I mean ... woody is fucking good for servers, but I need some new features like kernel 2.6, lvm2, apache2, etc... It should be something like ubuntu but for servers and not for desktop. And no, I can't use tetsting/unstable, I don't like them. Any ideas ? Thanks |
| 21:33.33 | paulswm | s/si/so/ |
| 21:33.33 | asg | toresbe: hehe |
| 21:33.35 | dondelelcaro | c4_: the bot does, and almost all of the basic ones are in the FAQ |
| 21:33.41 | yoshio_ | Patad: try apt-get -f install |
| 21:33.50 | dondelelcaro | Epicurus: use stable and backport the specific packages that you require. |
| 21:33.51 | valdyn | Patad: you obviously got an error there, what error is it? |
| 21:33.56 | bahamat | I'm looking for a good, reliable backup solution that I can use in an all Debian corporate production shop. Any suggestions? |
| 21:34.00 | Epicurus | dondelelcaro : that's a mess |
| 21:34.01 | dondelelcaro | Epicurus: although, why you're using apache2 on a production server is totally beyond me. |
| 21:34.10 | Space_NL | stew: modprobe iptalbes doesnt work .. what am i doing wrong ? |
| 21:34.17 | jjazz_ | stew: I stopped using KDE because it was eatng a ton of memory. I thought using konqueror would load all those kdelibs into memory, which is sort of a waste for just one app |
| 21:34.18 | zahod | dondelelcaro, people change |
| 21:34.21 | Patad | valdyn, Sub process /usr/bin/dpkg returned a error code |
| 21:34.22 | dondelelcaro | Epicurus: it's actually not that bad. But you can't have both stability and the newest software. They don't go hand in hand. |
| 21:34.36 | Patad | valdyn, with flex_2.5.bar.deb |
| 21:34.40 | dondelelcaro | zahod: sure, and that's great if they participate... but market share isn't too terribly important. |
| 21:34.48 | valdyn | Patad: remove that file , then run apt-get dist-upgrad again |
| 21:34.56 | Epicurus | dondelelcaro : man ... really ... I don't want to use backports. That's why I came here to ask. Thanks anyway for the tips |
| 21:35.10 | c4_ | dondelelcaro: thats a thing that none answer to me, and i have the correct answer now, like i sometimes do, can i publish them some where? |
| 21:35.11 | toresbe | abrotman: 2.10 is out?? |
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| 21:35.20 | paulswm | In a way, Linux might actually be better if fewer people used it. |
| 21:35.22 | stew | Space_NL: ip_tables, but it should be loaded automatically when you use the iptables binary |
| 21:35.30 | dondelelcaro | c4_: you can publish them anywhere you want |
| 21:35.32 | toresbe | abrotman: oh, yay! |
| 21:35.38 | cafuego_ | paulswm: That's right. Your using Linux is ruining my OS experience. |
| 21:35.39 | Patad | valdyn, will that take ages? |
| 21:35.43 | dvs | paulswm: I agree |
| 21:35.43 | Space_NL | well, i cant run iptables.rc as is .. so something should be done i guess |
| 21:35.44 | cafuego_ | paulswm: bitch. |
| 21:35.52 | Epicurus | why there isn't a debian branch without all the gnome/kde/etc... shit |
| 21:35.57 | Patad | valdyn, its getting flex now |
| 21:36.00 | stew | Space_NL: did you install the iptables package? |
| 21:36.02 | jjazz_ | paulswm: Sure, a niche OS will serve that niche better than an OS of broader appeal |
| 21:36.04 | asg | Epicurus: there is, just don't install that crap |
| 21:36.08 | ecko | Epicurus: do you have to install it? |
| 21:36.08 | bahamat | Epicurus: what? |
| 21:36.10 | stew | Patad: did you try to apt-get dist-upgrade or something? |
| 21:36.13 | Epicurus | guys |
| 21:36.14 | asg | Epicurus: woody, sarge, etc do not require any of that |
| 21:36.14 | Epicurus | I mean ... |
| 21:36.15 | dondelelcaro | Epicurus: why not? It's not like backports are inheriently different than this mythical "debian branch" you're talking about... |
| 21:36.18 | valdyn | Patad: i have _no_ idea how far you are in the process of upgrading woody->sarge |
| 21:36.19 | Space_NL | stew: apt tells me iptables is installed and newest version |
| 21:36.21 | Patad | stew, yup |
| 21:36.25 | c4_ | dondelelcaro: so, no where to search really specific answers |
| 21:36.26 | paulswm | cafuego_: Well, you know what I mean, less noise, more focus maybe, didn't mean to really offend you |
| 21:36.29 | c4_ | damn! |
| 21:36.29 | Epicurus | that's why sid will never become stable |
| 21:36.32 | ecko | Epicurus: You can use gnome on a server |
| 21:36.33 | c4_ | thats why |
| 21:36.38 | c4_ | hoochie mama! |
| 21:36.39 | asg | Epicurus: no, sid is never ever supposed to be stable |
| 21:36.40 | stew | Patad: apt-get doesn't work for woody->sarge, you need to use aptitude |
| 21:36.41 | Epicurus | because there are hundreds of packages that a server will never use |
| 21:36.44 | Epicurus | fonts, X, gnome, etc... |
| 21:36.52 | ecko | Epicurus: who says? |
| 21:36.53 | Patad | stew, how so? |
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| 21:37.03 | dondelelcaro | Epicurus: that's fine. You don't have to use them. |
| 21:37.04 | valdyn | stew: does apt-get dselect-upgrade work? |
| 21:37.08 | asg | Epicurus: why don't you just start with LFS |
| 21:37.08 | greycat | many servers use the X *libraries* |
| 21:37.08 | bahamat | Epicurus: that's not why sid will never become stable |
| 21:37.13 | stew | Patad: aptitude update ; aptitude dist-upgrade |
| 21:37.16 | Epicurus | asg : coz I want a distro |
| 21:37.24 | ecko | Epicurus: btw woody was once sid |
| 21:37.29 | ecko | as is sarge |
| 21:37.33 | Epicurus | asg : with release cycles, security patches, etc... just like woody! but a bit more updated |
| 21:37.34 | c4_ | damn |
| 21:37.40 | bahamat | ecko: no it wasn't |
| 21:37.40 | c4_ | cd -r Parent Directory |
| 21:37.44 | asg | Epicurus: then use OpenBSD |
| 21:37.44 | dondelelcaro | ecko: that's not true, actually. |
| 21:37.53 | Epicurus | asa |
| 21:37.56 | stew | valdyn: you mean dselect dist-upgrade? thats should work also |
| 21:37.56 | bahamat | ecko: sarge was never sid either |
| 21:37.57 | ecko | ecko: All the packages were in sid originally? |
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| 21:38.04 | Patad | stew, i already did apt-get dist-upgrade |
| 21:38.05 | jerome | hi all. I just compiled a 2.6.11.2 kernel with my traditional .config. It seems matroxfb doesn't work anymore as the same kernel options (video=matrox:vesa:...) doesn't produce the same effect as with 2.6.9. In fact, /var/log/kern/log doesn't report anything related to matroxfb where it should ("kernel: fb0: MATROX frame buffer device" for instance). Any idea ? 2.6.9 still works fine so I guess this is not an udev pb. |
| 21:38.05 | Space_NL | stew: so package iptables is installed .. but i cant run my iptables script .. what am i messing up ? |
| 21:38.07 | Epicurus | asg : If i'm asking for a debian branch it's because i want a LINUX distro, not a bsd one |
| 21:38.12 | ecko | what I mean is everything comes from sid |
| 21:38.17 | Patad | stew, it got flex which i deleted and now its doing other things |
| 21:38.17 | stew | Space_NL: i dont' know, what does uname -r say |
| 21:38.20 | paulswm | jjazz: I wasn't thinking quite that narrowly, but, yesy, of course |
| 21:38.21 | dondelelcaro | ecko: the packages were, but equating the two is a common mistake. |
| 21:38.22 | greycat | Epicurus: why? |
| 21:38.26 | valdyn | stew: no, i meant apt-get dselect-upgrade, but i assume they use the same algorithm |
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| 21:38.36 | yoshio_ | Patad: did you upgrade apt before beginning to upgrade to sarge from woody? |
| 21:38.37 | bahamat | jerome: talk a walk around that Documentation directory in your kernel source tree, that's what it's there for |
| 21:38.42 | greycat | Epicurus: is it because you think penguins are cuter than blowfish? |
| 21:38.44 | Space_NL | stew: 2.2.20-idepci |
| 21:38.46 | stew | valdyn: what does dselect-upgrade have to do with dist-upgrade? |
| 21:38.47 | dondelelcaro | ecko: and actually, not all packages start in sid. Some go through testing-proposed-updates and stable-proposed-updates |
| 21:38.49 | stew | !idepci |
| 21:38.49 | bahamat | ecko: no it doesn't |
| 21:38.49 | dpkg | 2.2.20-idepci makes greycat cry. apt-get install kernel-image-2.2.20 or kernel-image-2.4.18-1-686 or similar. You didn't read the final section of the install guide /msg dpkg install guide. Go read it before we laugh at you :) |
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| 21:38.54 | greycat | !pal Space_NL |
| 21:38.56 | c4_ | what is rc2 under ftp.debian.org/.../sid/main/installer-i386 ? |
| 21:38.59 | Epicurus | greycat : more or less, yeah ;-) |
| 21:39.01 | Patad | yoshio_, nup |
| 21:39.07 | ecko | dondelelcaro: that's after a release though :) |
| 21:39.08 | greycat | c4_: release candidate 2 |
| 21:39.12 | dondelelcaro | c4_: see www.debian.org/devel/debian-installer |
| 21:39.15 | stew | Space_NL: /msg dpkg real kernel ; install a 2.4 kernel |
| 21:39.16 | c4_ | damn |
| 21:39.17 | dondelelcaro | ecko: no, it's always ongoing. |
| 21:39.21 | jerome | bahamat: matroxfb doc is a clone of vesafb and I could not find anything new. Do you have any idea about a specific option I could look for ? |
| 21:39.27 | ecko | dondelelcaro: excuse my ignorance then |
| 21:39.32 | Space_NL | can i go for a 2.6 kernel while i am at it ? |
| 21:39.34 | c4_ | greycat: that means is more "unstable"? |
| 21:39.43 | greycat | Space_NL: /msg dpkg woody 2.6 |
| 21:39.46 | Epicurus | no, guys, really ... then there's nothing like ubuntu but for servers ? |
| 21:39.47 | c4_ | unstablest |
| 21:39.48 | dvs | Space_NL: Not with woody |
| 21:39.48 | asg | Epicurus: then use sarge. It gets updates, more or less, now and in a relatively timely manner (at least on par with most other distros) |
| 21:39.48 | greycat | !d-i c4_ |
| 21:39.49 | dpkg | c4_, you want to go to http://www.debian.org/devel/debian-installer/ - for your own good, and everyone else's. |
| 21:39.50 | valdyn | stew: it does about the same, just using dselect as backend |
| 21:39.50 | jerome | bahamat: the same options with an 2.6.9 still works perfectly so I'm pretty confused. |
| 21:39.52 | bahamat | jerome: not a clue, I haven't used matrox anything in like 8 years |
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| 21:40.01 | kill-9 | is there any bugs with gmix is not working any ideas? |
| 21:40.08 | dondelelcaro | kill-9: see bugs.debian.org/gmix |
| 21:40.09 | greycat | !btssmite kill-9 |
| 21:40.15 | ecko | Epicurus: Nobody is going to run new software on a server if you want new whizbang features look at a server distro that has released recently |
| 21:40.26 | kill-9 | dondek, no bugs is not working is giving me an error |
| 21:40.33 | Patad | what i did was i did dist-upgrade then there was an error, i removed the file and i did dist-upgrade again |
| 21:40.34 | kill-9 | Error Sorry, No mixer elements and/or devices found |
| 21:40.35 | bahamat | jerome: well they changed something, try reading the release notes |
| 21:40.36 | Epicurus | ecko : do you think lvm2 is NEW software ? |
| 21:40.36 | greycat | ecko: 2.5 years ago *is* recent for a server. |
| 21:40.39 | ecko | Epicurus: sarge is releasing soon and it'll have what you want |
| 21:40.41 | Patad | same error again!!! |
| 21:40.43 | stew | valdyn: ahh,ok it probably works then, the problem is that when apt-get tries to do the dist-upgrade it overflows the arg limit to dpkg and has to split it into multiple commands which breaks circular dependencies, i assume the dselect does the right thing like aptitude does |
| 21:40.43 | kill-9 | any ideas? |
| 21:40.45 | Patad | stupid flex! |
| 21:40.47 | greycat | !any ideas |
| 21:40.47 | dpkg | Yeah, I have an idea! But I'll need a sack full of condoms, a little cod liver oil, and 5 or 6 starving badgers. And keep the KGB off my back for the next few hours! |
| 21:40.59 | Epicurus | ecko : sure, soon .... it's 2 years sarge will be released "soon" |
| 21:41.04 | ecko | greycat: I meant something along the lines of RHES or NES |
| 21:41.10 | valdyn | stew: ah, thanks, that is the info i was looking for |
| 21:41.13 | dondelelcaro | kill-9: what is this mythical gmix package of which you speak? |
| 21:41.15 | greycat | nintendo entertainment system? |
| 21:41.19 | Patad | valdyn, any ideas? |
| 21:41.23 | greycat | what's an 8bit console have to do with Debian? |
| 21:41.23 | ecko | Novel Enterprise server |
| 21:41.23 | kill-9 | is the gnome mixer, |
| 21:41.23 | dondelelcaro | kill-9: figure out what package it is, then look at the BTS for that package. |
| 21:41.24 | ecko | :) |
| 21:41.25 | LordC | Does anyone know what "cdrecord OPC failed." means? :/ I can't burn CDs, and thats the error it gives me (http://rafb.net/paste/results/OpdYnZ65.html) |
| 21:41.26 | stew | valdyn: it was mentioned in a DWN a few weeks back |
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| 21:41.37 | bahamat | ecko: btw, that's called suse |
| 21:41.44 | Patad | stew, what should i use instead of dist-upgrade |
| 21:41.46 | ecko | greycat: I heard debian was running on it now :) |
| 21:41.47 | kill-9 | Gmix 2.0 Gnome mixer |
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| 21:42.06 | dondelelcaro | kill-9: then look at bugs.debian.org/gnome-media or whatever actually has the mixer in it |
| 21:42.07 | ecko | the point is debian isn't the newest server based distro on the block |
| 21:42.08 | s3itz | gnome-media ebuild most likely? |
| 21:42.08 | rautudu | It would like to know if it is possible to make with that ONLY ONE computer of the net (beyond mine) can send archives for a printer shared for the samba?[translate for google] |
| 21:42.10 | ecko | sarge will change that |
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| 21:42.14 | stew | Patad: aptitude upgrade ; aptitude dist-upgrade |
| 21:42.16 | bahamat | kill-9: apt-get install gnome-mixer gnome-alsamixer |
| 21:42.16 | Epicurus | ecko : now, really, I don't want to argue with everyone of you why I want what I asked for. Just tell me ... is there anything like ubuntu but for servers or not ? You just say the name ... I'll decide if it's enough good or not. Thanks. |
| 21:42.20 | s3itz | oops 'ebuild' haha |
| 21:42.25 | ecko | We said no |
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| 21:42.30 | Epicurus | ok thanks |
| 21:42.32 | valdyn | Patad: dpkg -i /var/cache/apt/archives/flex..., if it gives the same error, try to fetch that package from a different mirror |
| 21:42.35 | paulswm | ecko: It isn't the newest, or even trying to be. It's by far the safest. |
| 21:42.39 | stew | Patad: or continue the apt-get -f install ; apt-get dist-upgrade ; loop that you are in now until its all upgraded |
| 21:42.45 | pack | LordC: have you tried running it as root? |
| 21:42.54 | ecko | paulswm: that's up for debate I'm not gonna argue that though it's completely subjective |
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| 21:43.01 | bahamat | Epicurus: if it makes you feel any better, I'm running sarge on about 25 servers in production |
| 21:43.02 | Patad | stew, i did the aptitude one |
| 21:43.16 | Patad | stew, does it have to redownload stuff again |
| 21:43.18 | valdyn | Patad: paste the error in #flood. |
| 21:43.21 | ecko | Epicurus: sarge is fine right now it's not officially stable yet but I'd be willing to bet it's as stable as anything else |
| 21:43.23 | Epicurus | bahamat : no it doesn't, thanks. |
| 21:43.25 | Patad | im on a different box |
| 21:43.30 | Epicurus | ecko |
| 21:43.37 | Epicurus | but nobody says there will be security patches |
| 21:43.38 | asg | ecko -n |
| 21:43.40 | Epicurus | for i.e. |
| 21:43.40 | LordC | pack, Yeah, still the same error. |
| 21:43.41 | paulswm | ecko: I don't want to ague either, but it's not subjective, it's something which can be priven by good QA testing |
| 21:43.47 | paulswm | proven |
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| 21:43.57 | rautudu | It would like to know if it is possible to make with that ONLY ONE computer of the net (beyond mine) can send archives for a printer shared for the samba?[translate for google] |
| 21:44.00 | paulswm | Damn Spackle Mittens |
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| 21:44.18 | bahamat | Epicurus: there won't be, at least not for a minimum of 10 days, but you can read the security announcements and determine if they affect you or not, and if they do you can apply patches yourself |
| 21:44.20 | c4_ | why: sarge-i386-businesscard.iso is "businesscard"? |
| 21:44.26 | yoshio_ | Patad: release notes http://www.debian.org/releases/testing/i386/release-notes/index.en.html says try aptitude -f --with-suggests --with-recommends dist-upgrade, then if you have problems, aptitude --fix-broken install, dpkg --configure --pending |
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| 21:44.28 | asg | bahamat: 2 days if it's urgent |
| 21:44.35 | greycat | c4_: if you have to ask, you don't want that. |
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| 21:44.44 | Epicurus | bahamat : hey, really ... I didn't know that... sure .. thanks |
| 21:44.48 | bahamat | Epicurus: honestly, in the past year of running sarge on my servers none of the security updates affected anything I was using |
| 21:44.49 | Epicurus | doh |
| 21:44.51 | c4_ | ok |
| 21:45.15 | Epicurus | bahamat : but can't you understand that there are sometimes in which you can get the risk in a production environment ? |
| 21:45.16 | bahamat | Epicurus: you just have to be dilligent about watching security updates, and evaluating them appropriately |
| 21:45.26 | greycat | Epicurus: then FUCKING RUN WOODY AND SHUT UP. |
| 21:45.30 | stew | paulswm: no it won't download again |
| 21:45.36 | asg | Epicurus: just manage the risk |
| 21:45.42 | greycat | my GOD, what does he WANT from us? |
| 21:45.44 | bahamat | Epicurus: it's all relative, if sarge were declared stable today (regardless of it's current shape) would you use it? |
| 21:45.54 | c4_ | greycat: i have the debs in a dir and a Packages.gz what installer do i need to install in another hd? |
| 21:46.01 | asg | greycat: he wants us to tell him to use CentOS |
| 21:46.01 | Epicurus | greycat :shhhht... |
| 21:46.17 | greycat | Epicurus: asg says to use CentOS |
| 21:46.21 | greycat | happy? |
| 21:46.25 | Epicurus | bahamat : I trust debian developers |
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| 21:46.33 | PerfDave | c4_: It's small enough to fit on a businesscard-sized CD-R |
| 21:46.33 | kill-9 | !kbsd |
| 21:46.34 | c4_ | hehe |
| 21:46.43 | c4_ | damn! |
| 21:46.52 | kill-9 | !kFreeBSD |
| 21:46.54 | Blissex | Epicurus: then use 'stable', because that is what Debian developers maintain. |
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| 21:47.04 | c4_ | yeah! PerfDave, thats it! |
| 21:47.08 | ribnitz | evening |
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| 21:47.14 | bahamat | Epicurus: so do I, that's why when the issue a security release I evaluate that with what I've got running in production. it rarely affects me |
| 21:47.37 | FarrisG | If an interface is set to dhcp, ifup takes a long time, then the interface says it's up but can't connect to any address on the network, is it a good bet the NIC is bad? |
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| 21:47.47 | c4_ | PerfDave: do you know that?, what installer do i use to install from one machine to another? |
| 21:47.52 | Epicurus | Blissex : that's why I asked if there was something like "stable" but a bit more updated. That's it. I see that there's not ... but people is trying to convice me to do things that don't fit into my question. Thanks |
| 21:47.56 | ribnitz | Is there an easy way to convert a set of mailaccounts (mbox, mh,..) to something more useful, like Maildir? |
| 21:47.56 | PerfDave | c4_: Read the Installation Manual. |
| 21:48.01 | bahamat | FarrisG: more likely the cable is bad |
| 21:48.02 | c4_ | PerfDave: i olready have the debs |
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| 21:48.16 | Gnurdux | is sarge frozen? |
| 21:48.16 | FarrisG | bahamat: Cable has been checked |
| 21:48.20 | greycat | Gnurdux: /topic |
| 21:48.20 | PerfDave | c4_: Read the Installation Manual. |
| 21:48.23 | ribnitz | Gnurdux: nope |
| 21:48.24 | bahamat | Epicurus: none of the debian based distros have nearly the support that debian itself does |
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| 21:48.34 | Gnurdux | the topic says it is |
| 21:48.38 | greycat | Gnurdux: does not. |
| 21:48.38 | jeff_ | can anyone help me get my ircd running correctly? i can connect to it when i do /server localhost but not when i use my actual ip address |
| 21:48.40 | bahamat | Epicurus: even if there were "ubuntu server" I'd still trust sarge more |
| 21:48.44 | greycat | <PROTECTED> |
| 21:48.52 | ribnitz | is it? |
| 21:48.53 | PerfDave | ribnitz: apt-cache search maildir |
| 21:48.55 | Blissex | Epicurus: of course there are things like 'stable' but a bit more up to date, but they are Debian derivatives. If you want to use Debian, Debian *is* the stable release, and the Debian project is committed to maintaining 'stable' and nothing else. |
| 21:48.57 | Epicurus | bahamat : finally! a clever answer ... thanks dude |
| 21:49.02 | Gnurdux | <PROTECTED> |
| 21:49.11 | ribnitz | Gnurdux: well, the base basically is. |
| 21:49.13 | Epicurus | Blissex : then tell me the names please |
| 21:49.20 | Gnurdux | i see |
| 21:49.24 | Gnurdux | i like sarge |
| 21:49.25 | jeff_ | can anyone help me get my ircd running correctly? i can connect to it when i do /server localhost but not when i use my actual ip address |
| 21:49.28 | dondelelcaro | jeff_: your ircd isn't bound to yrou external interface. |
| 21:49.35 | Gnurdux | is that why it still uses gnome 2.8? |
| 21:49.36 | bahamat | Epicurus: the thing with using sarge in production is that you have to take a much more active role in security. |
| 21:49.36 | dondelelcaro | jeff_: please don't repeat. |
| 21:49.37 | pack | ribnitz: theres mbox2maildir or somthing like that. but it puked on some mbox files i had. |
| 21:49.39 | Gnurdux | i mean kernel |
| 21:49.44 | Gnurdux | 2.6.8 |
| 21:49.48 | Blissex | Epicurus: well, the obvious names are Libranet and Ubuntu. Or UserLinux perhaps. |
| 21:49.49 | greycat | Gnurdux: yes |
| 21:49.49 | Gnurdux | will it get gnome 2.10 |
| 21:49.52 | jeff_ | dondelelcaro, well i configured my firewall to forward connections to an irc port to my computer |
| 21:49.53 | bahamat | Epicurus: other than that there's little to worry about |
| 21:49.56 | greycat | Gnurdux: maybe |
| 21:50.00 | Gnurdux | i hope so |
| 21:50.05 | dbron | Hi all, I have an xterm question, if I log in to a box and use cat <huge file> The terminal becomes unusable, xterm runs up to 50 or 60% cpu and I can do nothing other than kill the process. Is there a buffer setting or some other config to change to correct this. A regular vtty works fine. |
| 21:50.17 | Epicurus | Blissex : ubuntu is more for desktop than for server, isn't it ? I'll check the other two though. Thanks |
| 21:50.18 | greycat | I don't care which flaming heap of dogshit it gets, as long as I don't have to run it. |
| 21:50.20 | ribnitz | pack: my specimens are the 80-100mb category. |
| 21:50.32 | greycat | fhod 2.8, fhod 2.10, they all smell. |
| 21:50.33 | paulswm | Blissex: Good answer on 'stable' |
| 21:50.35 | Epicurus | greycat : take note ... see how blissex helped me |
| 21:50.36 | Blissex | Epicurus: what Ubuntu is for does not matter a lot... |
| 21:50.43 | greycat | Epicurus: take note: *PLONK* |
| 21:50.44 | dondelelcaro | jeff_: that's great, but unless you can actually connect to address eth0 instead of localhost you haven't bound the ircd to the proper port. |
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| 21:50.57 | stew | Gnurdux: it still has kenrel 2.6.8 becuase 2.6.10 doesn't build on alpha and 2.6.11 hasn't been packaged yet |
| 21:51.13 | Epicurus | bahamat : there are situations in which you CAN'T do 100 things at the same time. If someother else is doing the security stuff for me ... welcome! |
| 21:51.21 | Blissex | Epicurus: I basically told you the same as the others, but worded in a slightly different way... |
| 21:51.32 | jeff_ | dondelelcaro, any help on how i can change that? ftp servers work fine |
| 21:51.32 | chealer | stew: last release update said sarge sticked to 2.6.8 |
| 21:51.40 | stew | chealer: yes |
| 21:51.45 | Gnurdux | i have a question, in the installer the boot option bf26 installs kernel 2.6.8-1-386 but is there aw ay to install kernel 2.6.8-686 at bot |
| 21:51.49 | dondelelcaro | jeff_: if this is at all confusing, I'd strongly recommend against running an ircd that's exposed to the world until you understand that. |
| 21:51.50 | Gnurdux | boot |
| 21:51.54 | Gnurdux | i mean during the install? |
| 21:51.56 | greycat | there is no "bf26" |
| 21:52.01 | Gnurdux | there isnt |
| 21:52.05 | Gnurdux | i heard there was |
| 21:52.06 | greycat | Gnurdux: build your own custom install |
| 21:52.11 | Gnurdux | nah |
| 21:52.14 | sontek | i just installed iptables and used the netfilter program narc to set it up. but when i setup iptables i don't have internet anymore ;p does the config completely ignore /etc/network/interfaces/ |
| 21:52.16 | justin | !tell Gnurdux about d-i |
| 21:52.18 | ribnitz | Gnurdux: update later on |
| 21:52.18 | Gnurdux | i like to build my own kernels anyway |
| 21:52.19 | pack | ribnitz: keep backups -=] i think i did somthing like a for loop for each file and grep |
| 21:52.21 | greycat | the thing you called "bf26" is spelled "linux26" |
| 21:52.21 | Epicurus | Blissex : you writed names ... that's what I wanted. And that's what all the others didn't manage to give me. Of course it's not their obligation to help me, but at least they could be more polite or just shup up |
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| 21:52.23 | Biovore | sarge installer has 2.6 kernel on it.. :-) |
| 21:52.28 | jeff_ | dondelelcaro, no its not confusing. im just curious why other servers work fine but ircd dosent |
| 21:52.34 | Gnurdux | no it uses 2.4 |
| 21:52.36 | pack | ribnitz: to check if they were split funny. |
| 21:52.36 | ribnitz | pack: I have daily backup. |
| 21:52.48 | greycat | Gnurdux: no, it uses A FUCKING HELP SCREEN THAT LISTS THE THINGS YOU CAN DO. |
| 21:52.57 | Gnurdux | yeah true |
| 21:52.58 | greycat | and one of them is "linux26" |
| 21:53.02 | Gnurdux | i dont like to read those |
| 21:53.03 | Gnurdux | ok |
| 21:53.07 | Gnurdux | ill do that |
| 21:53.13 | Gnurdux | or apt-get it afterwards |
| 21:53.19 | abrotman | you should learn to read |
| 21:53.21 | Gnurdux | or apt-get the source and build it |
| 21:53.21 | jeff_ | do i have to start it with a specific command to use my eth0 |
| 21:53.22 | joerg | Joind debian-users |
| 21:53.25 | Biovore | when you insert the cd on boot.. it shows the debian logo, at the prompt type linux26 |
| 21:53.26 | dvs | "i dont like to read those"?!? |
| 21:53.26 | PerfDave | !tell Gnurdux -about enter |
| 21:53.29 | greycat | !faq jeff_ |
| 21:53.30 | dpkg | jeff_: http://www.linuks.mine.nu/debian-faq-wiki/ |
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| 21:53.55 | dondelelcaro | jeff_: can you connect to the ircd on eth0? If not, ask in the channel appropriate for your ircd. |
| 21:54.11 | dondelelcaro | #debian having nothing whatsoever to do with any ircds |
| 21:54.12 | greycat | dondelelcaro: oh. his question wasn't standalone.... |
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| 21:57.08 | Epicurus | Blissex : UserLinux looks good |
| 21:57.08 | paulswm | Epicurus: To be fair to others, this is a debian channel and there are lots of distros which claim to be "based on debian". At least of them is a dangerous mix of testing and unstable. I wouldn't recommend any to you becuase I wouldn't want to be responsible for giving bad advice, and I'm sure that others here feel the same. |
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| 21:57.17 | marl__ | can anyone tell me how to remove a network card and its config under debian without removing the card? i did an upgrade lastnight as well as a kernel upgrade, now when i try and bring up eth0 on mylaptop it cant pickup my dhcp server, and if i manually assign an ip address i can ping that localy but i cant ping out onto my network, anyone any ideas? |
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| 21:57.37 | PerfDave | marl__: Set the configuration you want in /etc/network/interfaces |
| 21:57.44 | Blissex | Epicurus: its not a bad idea, a bit brave though. |
| 21:57.49 | ribnitz | marl__: remove the auto iun the interfaces.# |
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| 21:58.05 | Epicurus | paulswm : thanks |
| 21:58.06 | marl__ | PerfDave: dosnt work, i cant ping outside the computer |
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| 21:58.27 | confrey | hi everybody |
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| 21:59.13 | PerfDave | marl__: Set the configuration *correctly* in /etc/network/interfaces then :) |
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| 21:59.37 | confrey | I need a little help; I can't use power management on my laptop Fujitsu A1640; acpi is set; why can't I use suspend? |
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| 22:00.14 | Epicurus | Blissex : I see ... it's on the first stages ... not mature enought. Although it looks promising (hey, that's my point of view) |
| 22:00.55 | now3d | Hi, I noticed that /usr/lib/gconf2/gconfd-2 is always running. Is this required for KDE/X/Gnome? Could someone tell me some info about it? |
| 22:01.10 | greycat | would be gnome, not x or kde. |
| 22:01.13 | marl__ | /etc/network/interfaces : line 4 : iface eth0 inet dhcp - should set eth0 as a dhcp assigned network card yup? well its not working, if i reboot the laptop into windoz it works fine so i know the phsical card/cable/dhcp server is ok |
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| 22:01.25 | PerfDave | marl__: man 5 interfaces |
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| 22:01.39 | greycat | marl__: check dmesg, too. could be a bad driver, etc. |
| 22:01.45 | marl__ | PerfDave: is that the rite format for the line? |
| 22:01.48 | kenboo | is there eclipse for testing (sarge)? dpkg says -- the end of the world :( |
| 22:01.59 | greycat | marl__: man interfaces |
| 22:02.00 | now3d | In addition, I have 'netstat <defunct>' in my "ps aux" output.. I cannot find out what this problem is.. any ideas anyone? |
| 22:02.01 | greycat | !faq |
| 22:02.01 | dpkg | The #debian FAQ is at http://www.linuks.mine.nu/debian-faq-wiki/ |
| 22:02.02 | stew | marl__: what happends why you run 'ifup eth0' / |
| 22:02.30 | marl__ | it trys to get an ip via dhcp and fails after the normal number of retrys |
| 22:02.51 | chealer | when you run m-a update, isn't there a file (or several) that's modified? what are they? |
| 22:03.07 | chealer | or where are they? |
| 22:03.12 | marl__ | if i run : ifconfig eth0 192.168.0.199 - then eth0 shows as having an ip of 192.168.0.199, i can ping it localy but i cant get out sdie the laptop |
| 22:03.14 | greycat | my m-a(8) page has a FILES section... |
| 22:03.25 | greycat | not sure if it's complete, of course. |
| 22:03.47 | paulswm | Epicurus: Just my 2 cents, but if you are thinking about a particular distro, try out their support. Maybe ask a few questions in their channel or their support forum. Get an idea of what level of help you may get if a graphics card doesn't work or dependencies break. We often see people from other distros here becuase they can't get any help from the distro builders. |
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| 22:04.26 | ribnitz | paulswm: and try to get a distor with support not as lousy as debian's :) |
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| 22:04.55 | greycat | !why debian |
| 22:04.55 | dpkg | http://www.debian.org/intro/why_debian or at http://snowcrash.tdyc.com/articles/imoore2.html or at http://www.linuxplanet.com/linuxplanet/reviews/2204/1/ or http://people.debian.org/~srivasta/talks/why_debian/ |
| 22:04.55 | chealer | greycat: thanks, but I only have /usr/share/modass/packages/* and the files there weren't updated despite "Updated infos about 69 packages" |
| 22:05.05 | abrotman | greycat: not that . i meant the ones based on debian |
| 22:05.09 | greycat | chealer: yeah, I wouldn't expect anything in /usr/share to be updated... |
| 22:05.17 | greycat | !why not debian |
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| 22:05.22 | greycat | there ya go. tabula rasa. |
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| 22:05.28 | VoX | what do i run to reconfigure X so it loads kdm by default, instead of gdm? |
| 22:05.38 | greycat | VoX: dpkg-reconfigure kdm |
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| 22:05.44 | cafuego_ | VoX: update-alternatives --config x-display-manager |
| 22:05.51 | VoX | mmuh |
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| 22:05.58 | greycat | one of 'em should work, maybe both. |
| 22:06.03 | VoX | heh righto |
| 22:06.10 | cafuego_ | greycat's command probably calls mine |
| 22:06.21 | cafuego_ | hmm. |
| 22:06.36 | greycat | mine's hearsay anyway. I've never run kdm. |
| 22:06.47 | cafuego_ | mine is guaranteed to work |
| 22:07.00 | ribnitz | greycat: I hear its bad uck not to run kde. |
| 22:07.05 | cafuego_ | Seeing as It's the One True Way[tm] |
| 22:07.43 | ribnitz | cafuego_: wasnt that GNOME? |
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| 22:07.48 | cafuego_ | ribnitz: What's "uck" ? |
| 22:07.53 | greycat | like 1 Infinite Loop |
| 22:08.14 | cafuego_ | greycat: There used to be. |
| 22:08.29 | dondelelcaro | bob2: hmm... kinky. |
| 22:08.40 | daww | Is there some shortcut to "Run application" in GNOME? |
| 22:08.43 | bahamat | cafuego_: careful, I heard something about ucking, but I don't remember if it was good or bad |
| 22:08.49 | cafuego_ | Bloody uckjuice EVERYWHERE! |
| 22:09.04 | bob2 | daww: alt-f2 |
| 22:09.06 | cafuego_ | bahamat: Well, bad uck is obviously bad |
| 22:09.12 | daww | They don't answer my question in #gnome thats why I have to ask it here |
| 22:09.15 | daww | bob2, ok |
| 22:09.18 | greycat | !they don't know |
| 22:09.18 | dpkg | Just because the morons in some OTHER channel don't know the answer to your non-Debian question does NOT give you the right to molest US with your problems. Go try Google. |
| 22:09.30 | bahamat | cafuego_: oh, right, but I was refering more to unspecified uck |
| 22:09.37 | ribnitz | cafuego_: a speling, problem. otherwiswe: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/UCK |
| 22:10.18 | VoX | hmm |
| 22:10.25 | bob2 | gah |
| 22:10.29 | bob2 | FOLDOC is GFDL |
| 22:10.31 | bob2 | idiots |
| 22:10.39 | VoX | dpkg-reconfigure: kdm is broken or not fully installed |
| 22:10.46 | VoX | but i just apt-get'd it |
| 22:10.54 | ribnitz | bob2: gfdl can be non-free, right? |
| 22:11.00 | cafuego_ | VoX: apt-get -f install |
| 22:11.07 | bahamat | VoX: ah, that's your problem |
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| 22:11.26 | VoX | cafuego_: nothing to install |
| 22:11.37 | cafuego_ | VoX: dpkg-reconfigure kdm |
| 22:11.45 | Empty | in sudoers, WTH is wrong with this line : username ALL=root scriptname |
| 22:11.49 | cafuego_ | Eh |
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| 22:12.09 | VoX | cafuego_: same responce |
| 22:12.17 | bob2 | ribnitz: annoyingly, yes |
| 22:12.20 | cafuego_ | VoX: Run my thing, see what happens. |
| 22:12.24 | bob2 | ribnitz: and may non-free in all cases |
| 22:12.29 | bob2 | er, may be |
| 22:12.30 | cafuego_ | update-alternatives --config x-display-manager |
| 22:12.44 | bogon | Empty: I think you need parentheses around root |
| 22:12.58 | Empty | just tried that, no love :( |
| 22:13.05 | VoX | cafuego_: "No alternatives for x-display-manager" |
| 22:13.17 | cafuego_ | VoX: Oh dear |
| 22:13.17 | now3d | ok, regarding the netstat defult process... i see using "ps fax" that the process was left by mozilla |
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| 22:13.45 | ribnitz | bob2: "GFDL may be used to construct non-free documentation" |
| 22:13.47 | now3d | just wondering about /usr/lib/gconf2/gconfd-2 18 process now.. |
| 22:13.59 | bogon | Empty: well, what happens? |
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| 22:14.05 | ryan_ | Is it true that sarge will be debian 'stable' soon? |
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| 22:14.19 | bogon | Empty: after adding the parentheses |
| 22:14.19 | cafuego_ | ryan_: For variying values of 'soon' yes |
| 22:14.23 | Empty | bogon: "syntax error" from the visudo wrapper |
| 22:14.25 | bob2 | ribnitz: at best |
| 22:15.38 | bogon | Empty: could you paste your file somewhere? |
| 22:15.38 | bogon | Empty: e.g. in #flood |
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| 22:15.40 | ryan_ | is it expected to becom stable within the next few months, or is it likely to be longer? |
| 22:15.40 | cafuego_ | ryan_: Yes |
| 22:15.44 | Laney | If I tunnel some thing through my SSH server (on my home network) using PuTTY, am I correct in thinking that it will only be encrypted between my pc and the SSHd box? |
| 22:15.56 | Empty | bogon: ok doing it now |
| 22:16.03 | ludi | what do I need to play a "*.wmv" video file? It says that "Video codec 'MS WMV 8 (win32) is not handled" |
| 22:16.04 | nite613 | Laney: yes |
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| 22:16.06 | bob2 | Laney: anything passing through the tunnel is encrypted, yes |
| 22:16.10 | bob2 | ludi: mplayer |
| 22:16.11 | cair0 | ludi, mplayer |
| 22:16.12 | [Elad] | hello all |
| 22:16.19 | cair0 | hello [Elad] |
| 22:16.21 | bob2 | ryan_: hopefully, but no one can make any guarantee |
| 22:16.22 | Laney | OK, thanks. |
| 22:16.30 | ludi | I use Totem Movie Player though |
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| 22:16.47 | bob2 | and I like peanuts |
| 22:16.52 | cair0 | tough luck, only mplayer can decode wmv/wma files |
| 22:16.57 | bob2 | cair0: no |
| 22:16.58 | ludi | only mplayer can really? |
| 22:16.59 | cair0 | or if you wanna use windows.. |
| 22:17.01 | cair0 | :-p |
| 22:17.03 | now3d | ludi: You could try MPlayer with binary win32 codecs |
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| 22:17.06 | bob2 | don't be stupid |
| 22:17.09 | ryan_ | I had heard that testing had been frozen |
| 22:17.12 | [Elad] | how can I enable APCI support? |
| 22:17.15 | bob2 | ryan_: no, some parts have been |
| 22:17.17 | pipeline | ludi: totem will use thi win32 codecs if you have them. |
| 22:17.19 | bob2 | [Elad]: use a modern kernel |
| 22:17.20 | ryan_ | ah. |
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| 22:17.29 | ludi | pipeline: how do I get/install the win32 codecs? |
| 22:17.31 | pipeline | ludi: If you're on something other than i386, you're scrsewed. |
| 22:17.32 | cair0 | [Elad], most 2.6 kernels should have it |
| 22:17.33 | ludi | is there a package? |
| 22:17.33 | thorie | anyone here know php? |
| 22:17.33 | bob2 | ludi: gxine, totem-xine, xine, etc will work, too |
| 22:17.39 | schuler | kenboo: eclipse is possible in sarge: download the newest binary tar archive from www.eclipse.org and detar it in /usr/local or /opt; you don't need a .deb package |
| 22:17.42 | bob2 | ludi: /msg dpkg mplayer |
| 22:17.49 | bob2 | ludi: w32codecs is the package name |
| 22:17.51 | bob2 | thorie: #php |
| 22:17.53 | [Elad] | /exec -o uname -r |
| 22:17.54 | [Elad] | 2.6.10-1-386 |
| 22:17.54 | VoX | ahh got it sorted |
| 22:18.02 | ludi | does w32codecs works with totem? |
| 22:18.03 | [Elad] | I install it from apt-get install |
| 22:18.05 | thorie | bob2: im banned from #php for trolling |
| 22:18.08 | pipeline | ludi: As I just mentioned, yes. |
| 22:18.11 | [Elad] | and I don't have APCI in it |
| 22:18.12 | bob2 | thorie: then fuck off |
| 22:18.13 | ja1 | NEWBIE alert... trying to install, can anyone help me |
| 22:18.14 | ribnitz | bob2: is it possible to come up with a subset of GFDL that enforces free documentation? |
| 22:18.20 | thorie | bob2: hmm ok |
| 22:18.23 | bob2 | ribnitz: it's called the GPL ;) |
| 22:18.26 | now3d | <PROTECTED> |
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| 22:18.45 | ludi | I don't see w32codecs in my apt sources |
| 22:18.48 | pipeline | ribnitz: Yeah, there's standardized riders. "No invariant sections" "no cover" etc |
| 22:18.50 | bob2 | [Elad]: by "don't have ACPI in it", you mean "suspend-to-ram doesn't work"? |
| 22:18.57 | ribnitz | bob2: but thats not specific to documen tation. |
| 22:19.05 | bob2 | ribnitz: why does it need to be? |
| 22:19.06 | kenboo | schuler, ya i got the same response at #eclipse. thanks |
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| 22:19.16 | now3d | ludi: they are not in the sources as they are binary and "borrowed".. |
| 22:19.24 | bob2 | ribnitz: if nothing else, the GFDL (and things like it) are GPL-incompatible, so you can't mix code and documentation |
| 22:19.29 | ribnitz | bob2: People are confused. |
| 22:19.32 | [Elad] | bob2, when I do: "# halt" my computer dosen't turn off.... u know what I'm talking about? |
| 22:19.41 | travisat | ludi: there in the marillat reposotiry |
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| 22:20.03 | bob2 | [Elad]: then you're missing a module called 'ac' |
| 22:20.17 | travisat | damn I can't write wehn I just wake up from a nap |
| 22:20.22 | kenboo | halt -p |
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| 22:20.30 | [Elad] | bob2, I didn't configure my kernel. I used apt-get install for it |
| 22:20.40 | bob2 | [Elad]: yes, I know. load the 'ac' module. |
| 22:20.43 | [Elad] | how can I fix this problem please? |
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| 22:20.56 | ja1 | has anyone done a hd install from a dos partition? |
| 22:21.03 | [Elad] | 1# modprobe ac |
| 22:21.04 | [Elad] | FATAL: Error inserting ac (/lib/modules/2.6.10-1-386/kernel/drivers/acpi/ac.ko): No such device |
| 22:21.10 | bob2 | [Elad]: er |
| 22:21.15 | bob2 | [Elad]: how old is this machine? |
| 22:21.25 | bob2 | if you say more than 3 years, I will laugh at you |
| 22:21.28 | [Elad] | it's P3 450Mhz |
| 22:21.34 | bob2 | right |
| 22:21.42 | bob2 | so it doesn't actually have ACPI hardware |
| 22:21.44 | FarrisG | I don't know jack about Xeons... Exactly what arch should I install on one? |
| 22:21.45 | bob2 | load the 'apm' module |
| 22:21.48 | [Elad] | but on Mandrack it was work |
| 22:21.53 | bob2 | FarrisG: i386 |
| 22:21.53 | daww | what command let me choose DM? |
| 22:22.00 | [Elad] | apm loaded |
| 22:22.01 | FarrisG | bob2: Thanks |
| 22:22.04 | [Elad] | now what? |
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| 22:22.12 | bob2 | FarrisG: or amd64 might work on the crackful new ones |
| 22:22.21 | bob2 | em64t or whatever stupid name they invented |
| 22:22.26 | bob2 | [Elad]: now try shutting down |
| 22:22.50 | bob2 | FarrisG: ACPI support in hardware from before 20002 or so is crap at best |
| 22:22.52 | bob2 | perhaps mandrake has some magic patches to make it work |
| 22:22.57 | [Elad] | bob2, 10x thank u very much, be right back |
| 22:23.07 | bob2 | er |
| 22:23.10 | bob2 | not to FarrisG |
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| 22:24.02 | Thaiger | How do I keep my computer from going into suspend mode, I think its called, where the monitor goes dark and I have to press a key to get it to show up again |
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| 22:24.42 | ribnitz | Thaiger: thats called dpms. |
| 22:24.47 | bob2 | Thaiger: man xset, dpms is what you're looking for |
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| 22:25.49 | Thaiger | Do I have to set -dpms everytime or will it stay that way? |
| 22:26.38 | bob2 | you need to set it in your X config file if you want it to be permanent |
| 22:26.52 | Thaiger | OK thanks bob2 and ribnitz! |
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| 22:28.56 | ja1 | How do I install from hard drive and a dos partition? |
| 22:28.59 | sheeparegreat | does anyone have a good howto on installing alsa? i cant get it working :( |
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| 22:29.04 | [Elad] | bob2, it's work :D thanks man |
| 22:29.15 | valdyn | !alsa 2.6 |
| 22:29.15 | dpkg | it has been said that alsa 2.6 is On Sarge, to use ALSA, ensure you have discover1 1.7.2 or higher, then apt-get install alsa-base alsa-utils. You may need to run alsaconf too. No more faffing about with OSS modules. Remember to tell your applications and libraries to use alsa, to get any benefit. |
| 22:29.23 | protein_origami | Speaking of "suspend", I have debian running on an iBook G3. My "suspend" doesn't work properly, so I have to issue a "shutdown" command before I close my laptop (to get off the subway, etc.) Otherwise, it goes dead without unmounting disks, etc. Anyone know offhand how to tell my system to just keep running as usual even though the laptop is closed? |
| 22:30.03 | ja1 | I'm getting a kernel panic when mounting the root fs to 01:00 |
| 22:30.03 | bob2 | sheeparegreat: install 2.6 kernel. load alsa modules. enjoy! |
| 22:30.03 | cureless | protein_origami: configure the bios... oh wait.... :-) |
| 22:30.06 | bob2 | protein_origami: not possible with ibooks |
| 22:30.26 | bob2 | protein_origami: at least the g4 ones have a hardware "feature" that hard powers down it if the lid is closed for N minutes |
| 22:30.33 | ludi | ok it works now thanks |
| 22:30.52 | ludi | too bad wmv can't be used by everyone |
| 22:30.59 | bob2 | yeah |
| 22:30.59 | sheeparegreat | i think I have the null soundcard selected, i cant change alsa to use the c-media one... any ideas? |
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| 22:31.08 | bob2 | that's a good reason to not use proprietary codecs |
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| 22:32.26 | protein_origami | Oh well, thanks anyway. I'm really beginning to hate Apple's "user-friendliness". I can't even get rid of the stupid "bong" noise everytime I start up my laptop (at meetings, conferences, etc.) |
| 22:33.04 | Paganist | heh |
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| 22:33.18 | Paganist | cut the wires |
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| 22:33.29 | ribnitz | protein_origami: you'll grow to love it. Windows now has it too.. |
| 22:33.31 | bob2 | protein_origami: hah, yeah, I always plug my headphones in before powring up |
| 22:33.38 | bob2 | protein_origami: sleep should work fine on a g3, tho... |
| 22:33.46 | mifritscher | hi in which packet is a rfc822.h ? |
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| 22:34.28 | c4_ | why boot.img.gz has about 8MB and decompressed boot.img has 128MB? |
| 22:34.56 | Paganist | mifritscher: you'll easily find that at http://packages.debian.org |
| 22:35.11 | mifritscher | Paganist, ok, thanks |
| 22:35.12 | khanman | i am unable to mount my cdrom drives under sarge (2.6.8 kernel)...i was able to under a previous sarge install (2.4.27)..anyone help? |
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| 22:35.24 | yoshio_ | mifritscher: apt-file search rfc822.h says: emil,libc-client-dev,libdebian-installer4-dev |
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| 22:35.40 | mifritscher | Can't find that package, at least not in that distribution and on that architecture. |
| 22:35.43 | mifritscher | ok, thanks |
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| 22:36.05 | Paganist | mifritscher: you sure of the name of the file ? |
| 22:36.17 | mifritscher | configure: error: Cannot find rfc822.h. Please check your IMAP installation. |
| 22:36.23 | yoshio_ | mifritscher: apt-get install apt-file; apt-file update; very cool package |
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| 22:36.40 | mifritscher | ok, thanks :) |
| 22:37.07 | bob2 | mifritscher: what are you compiling? |
| 22:37.13 | mifritscher | php5 |
| 22:37.18 | c4_ | bob2: it's because it was made dd if=/dev/zero of=iso.img and compressed?, but why creating a 128MB file that has only 8MB inside? are them specting me to put something inside the file? -->> why boot.img.gz has about 8MB and decompressed boot.img has 128MB? |
| 22:37.26 | bob2 | ha ha ha |
| 22:37.29 | bob2 | !+php5 |
| 22:37.29 | dpkg | [php5] at ``deb http://packages.dotdeb.org ./'' but remember to read http://devel.dotdeb.org and remove the line or you'll hose your system, or http://lists.debian.org/debian-devel/2004/12/msg01992.html (for sid), but don't yell at us when they break your system, or see http://bugs.debian.org/262977 |
| 22:37.34 | Paganist | mifritscher: if you really had a look you'd have found it |
| 22:37.39 | Paganist | mifritscher: i just found it |
| 22:37.43 | Paganist | mifritscher: try again |
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| 22:37.58 | bob2 | c4_: I don't know, sorry |
| 22:37.58 | davidcsi | anyone knows why a debian box would simply not accept any connection from a specific host? not even ping! |
| 22:38.02 | enyc | I'm.. having trouble with a 2.6.11 'stock' kernel built, breaking "ps" and "w" , resulting in kernel errors saying 'kernel BUG' in kernel BUG at mm/memory.c:591! |
| 22:38.14 | enyc | does anybody here know of this as a recent/known problem.. not just in debian world? |
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| 22:38.42 | digital_ | gn :) |
| 22:38.42 | mifritscher | ah, I had to click to "Durchsuchen des Inhalts von Paketen" first |
| 22:38.45 | c4_ | bob2: boot.img.gz is one of the files inside the debian sid install disks directory |
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| 22:39.13 | protein_origami | davidcsi: I feel silly suggesting this, but did you already check for firewalls? |
| 22:39.29 | yoshio_ | elad: do you have acpi=on in your grub/lilo |
| 22:39.30 | Paganist | lol |
| 22:39.31 | cureless | c4_: it might be the one meant for 128M usb keys |
| 22:39.49 | davidcsi | protein_origami: there are no firewalls anywhere |
| 22:39.54 | bob2 | c4_: yes, I know |
| 22:40.27 | bob2 | enyc: that's a kernel issue, not a ps/w one. try looking in the kernel bugzilla, bugzilla.kernel.org |
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| 22:40.39 | yoshio_ | elad: and do you have the package acpid installed? |
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| 22:41.14 | enyc | bob2: right.. kk |
| 22:41.50 | protein_origami | davidcsi: other possibilities... Did you just register a new domain? Perhaps DNS hasn't propagated everywhere? Maybe try a "traceroute" to see if it's router thing? Do pings work in the opposite direction? |
| 22:41.57 | c4_ | cureless: when the installer search al my disks and says that it's found some isos but it couldn't mount them for the base sistem, what kind of isos it want to? i mean where can i found one little iso so it can install the base system? |
| 22:42.17 | litage | an office building manager has asked for bandwidth monitoring in his building. the connection is: ADSL line > router > switch > patch panel. for BW monitoring, where would a box need to be placed? between the ADSL line and the router? |
| 22:42.45 | c4_ | my grammar is worst each day... |
| 22:42.47 | davidcsi | protein_origami: both boxes are on the same network... |
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| 22:42.55 | cureless | c4_: I don't understand what you mean. |
| 22:43.00 | thomas_adam | c4_: You make more sense than the Welsh... |
| 22:43.03 | Delph | litage: what bandwidth do you want to monitor? |
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| 22:43.14 | Delph | thomas_adam: and a good day to you too =:) |
| 22:43.20 | thomas_adam | Delph: Hello, boyo. |
| 22:43.25 | litage | Delph: internet usage for each office in the building |
| 22:43.44 | Delph | litage: broken down by what? |
| 22:43.50 | litage | Delph: by IP |
| 22:43.53 | bob2 | litage: if it's a useful router (ie cost more than $100), it can probably do it for you already |
| 22:44.14 | Delph | litage: aye, bob2 has the first point; secondly you might even have the ability on the switch. |
| 22:44.17 | Delph | (bandwidth per port) |
| 22:44.17 | protein_origami | davidcsi: OK. But do pings work in the other direction? That is, machine A can't ping machine B, but can B ping A? |
| 22:44.27 | litage | bob2: i looked into it, and the router doesn't support bandwidth monitoring. however, i'm considering suggesting that they just install a slightly more expensive router |
| 22:44.44 | Delph | litage: and thirdly, is the router doing NAT before sending stuff out to the ASDL? |
| 22:44.51 | Delph | (if so, you'll want to go between the switch and the router) |
| 22:44.54 | bob2 | hm, maybe not IP? |
| 22:44.58 | bob2 | er, per-IP. |
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| 22:45.07 | davidcsi | protein_origami: A and B cannot ping each other |
| 22:45.11 | PerfDave | What tool can I use to turn a sequence of images into an animated GIF? |
| 22:45.14 | c4_ | cureless: i have downloaded the hd-media installer from debian ftp: initrd.gz and vmlinuz. i've loaded them with loadlin. the debian sid installer has run. and it argue that hi couldnt find any base system .iso in my hds. what iso it needs? |
| 22:45.15 | Delph | PerfDave: convert |
| 22:45.19 | Delph | (ImageMagick) |
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| 22:45.31 | davidcsi | protein_origami: but I can ping and connect both from OTHER boxes |
| 22:45.41 | litage | Delph: it wasn't mentioned whether or not the router's doing any NAT. i'll have to find that out |
| 22:45.41 | bob2 | davidcsi: checked firewall rules? |
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| 22:45.56 | davidcsi | bob2: no firewall anywhere |
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| 22:46.19 | cureless | c4_: I haven't installed via loadlin in a long while, so I don't know. Maybe it wants an installer iso (mini inst.iso?) |
| 22:46.21 | Delph | works best if they're all the same size, but if you can be bothered, you can play about with moving them around. Make sure you get a copy with LZ encoding enabled (i'm not sure if default debian does it, as it used to be patent encumbered) |
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| 22:46.55 | tchmnkyz | hey all, i am having a problem with some wireless drivers and 2.6.11 Link: http://prism54.org/forums/viewtopic.php?t=1057 anyone here have any knowledge to fixing this? |
| 22:47.01 | c4_ | cureless: ok, do you know where to find (the sid one) it? |
| 22:47.14 | protein_origami | davidcsi: Are those "other boxes" on the same subnet? |
| 22:47.20 | bob2 | a) forums are inhabited by idiots |
| 22:47.28 | bob2 | b) posting a link to a forum question on irc is kinda silly |
| 22:47.29 | c01100011 | hello, stupid quick question but i can't find an answer anywhere else, is there a command to check what version of a program i have ? |
| 22:47.39 | bob2 | c01100011: no |
| 22:47.44 | davidcsi | protein_origami: no, the other boxes are outside the subnet |
| 22:47.44 | c4_ | sarge-i386-businesscard.iso 08-Mar-2005 23:25 30.7M |
| 22:47.48 | bob2 | c01100011: if you mean "package", then "dpkg -l packagename" |
| 22:47.48 | c4_ | is that? |
| 22:47.50 | Ryushin | Anyone heard of an update to firefox that will block the new generation of pop ups? |
| 22:47.57 | bob2 | Ryushin: yes |
| 22:47.58 | cureless | err... I don't know where to find the sid one, or even if there is one. I've only seen the sarge ones. Check the website. |
| 22:48.07 | tchmnkyz | bob2 yes but it was better then pasting directly hee |
| 22:48.09 | tchmnkyz | here |
| 22:48.11 | cureless | c4_: that was for you. |
| 22:48.17 | Ryushin | bob2: Care to expand on that? :) |
| 22:48.34 | bob2 | tchmnkyz: how so? |
| 22:48.44 | bob2 | Ryushin: it's being included in the next release, aiui |
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| 22:48.45 | cureless | c4_: that one might work, like I said, I don't know about the loadlin/hd install. |
| 22:48.57 | c4_ | ok |
| 22:49.10 | Ryushin | Oh, okay then. Thanks Bob. |
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| 22:50.06 | c01100011 | bob2 i just did a dist-upgrade and i am not sure if i have the newest gnome, i don't see anything new but that doesn't mean that i don't have 2.10 |
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| 22:50.49 | davidcsi | bob2, proteinorigami: |
| 22:50.49 | davidcsi | when I type "arp -a" I see the other box's address as: |
| 22:50.49 | davidcsi | ? (192.168.1.2) at <incomplete> on eth0 |
| 22:50.49 | davidcsi | whereas the address that work shows: |
| 22:50.49 | davidcsi | ? (192.168.1.1) at 00:A0:C5:57:E0:09 [ether] on eth0 |
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| 22:51.04 | ganante | hello, visit my website - http://decio_ganante.web.simplesnet.pt |
| 22:51.20 | ptlis | No. I will not. |
| 22:51.25 | ocran | Hey guys, trying to remember the command to add and remove modules from the kerenel. It used a menu sytem, does anyone know? |
| 22:51.37 | cureless | ganante: does it run on debian? |
| 22:51.39 | peterS | c01100011: for the gnome version, try 'dpkg -l libgnomeui-0' |
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| 22:51.41 | staynal7 | I have a question concerning initrd's. When from a custom initrd tat does lots of neat stuff I pivot_root and then exit I get an 'VFS: Cannot open root device "hda3"' |
| 22:51.59 | staynal7 | However, I have hda3 mounted and can access the files on it already. |
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| 22:52.25 | peterS | c01100011: there isn't a single gnome package, it's split into lots of different packages, which have their own versions. debian doesn't just package a single thing called 'gnome 2.8' or 'gnome 2.10' |
| 22:52.25 | staynal7 | Why would it freak out when the linuxrc script exits?? |
| 22:52.28 | cureless | ocran: insmod, rmmod modprobe |
| 22:52.40 | c4_ | damn! why this speed continiusly with my stupid modem?: 0% [ ] 156,061 9.39K/s ETA 1:06:43 |
| 22:52.45 | c4_ | hehe cool! |
| 22:52.51 | davidcsi | when I type "arp -a" I see the other box's address as: |
| 22:52.51 | davidcsi | ? (192.168.1.2) at <incomplete> on eth0 |
| 22:52.51 | davidcsi | whereas the address that work shows: |
| 22:52.51 | davidcsi | ? (192.168.1.1) at 00:A0:C5:57:E0:09 [ether] on eth0 |
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| 22:53.06 | cureless | ocran: or do you mean update-modules? |
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| 22:53.16 | ocran | cureless: it was a specific debian program I belive that did it all for you. |
| 22:53.27 | c4_ | wow! |
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| 22:53.29 | protein_origami | davidcsi: better not try pasting again |
| 22:53.32 | ocran | cureless: update-modules might have been it |
| 22:53.35 | c4_ | hehe |
| 22:53.36 | davidcsi | when I type "arp -a" I see the other box's address as: ? (192.168.1.2) at <incomplete> on eth0 whereas the address that work shows: ? (192.168.1.1) at 00:A0:C5:57:E0:09 [ether] on eth0 |
| 22:53.49 | PerfDave | Delph: Cheers |
| 22:53.51 | c4_ | i will not buy adsl conection.. .xd |
| 22:54.06 | myren | is there any semi-standard place i should install java .jar's to? |
| 22:54.08 | peterS | davidcsi: the <incomplete> means you've tried to arp the other box but it hasn't responded yet |
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| 22:54.24 | peterS | davidcsi: or, for some reason or other, you haven't received the response |
| 22:54.33 | ocran | cureless: nope, that was not it, it was simply a menu with all the avalaible modules, you just picked on and it added it or removed it. |
| 22:54.45 | protein_origami | davidsci: could you do a traceroute? I'm very curious as to what it looks like. |
| 22:55.32 | davidcsi | peterS; how can that be? using tcpdump, I see the request comming from 192.168.1.3 like: 23:55:30.063577 arp who-has 192.168.1.2 tell 192.168.1.3 |
| 22:55.38 | peterS | protein_origami: if arp doesn't work, traceroute won't go anywhere |
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| 22:55.45 | staynal7 | So no takers on the initrd problem?? |
| 22:55.58 | davidcsi | protein_origami: peterS is correct |
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| 22:56.27 | peterS | davidcsi: tell a bit more of your network situation, would you? the machine that can't arp 192.168.1.2 - can it communicate with anyone else? |
| 22:56.57 | bob2 | c01100011: I'm pretty sure gnome 2.10 isn't in Debian |
| 22:57.14 | davidcsi | peterS: yes, it (both) goes to the internet just fine, and it pings the router just fine... |
| 22:57.54 | peterS | davidcsi: what OSes are 192.168.1.2 and 192.168.1.3 running, anyway? are they connected through a switch, or what? |
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| 22:58.07 | protein_origami | davidsci: are there other boxes on that subnet (aside from those two)? |
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| 22:58.39 | davidcsi | protein_origami: boxes per se, no. the router |
| 22:58.57 | c01100011 | bob2 yeah, i am discovering that now, it's just that i saw a few gnome packages before i said yes and got all giddy about new gnome , |
| 22:58.58 | davidcsi | peterS: conected to a router |
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| 22:59.23 | peterS | davidcsi: so this 'router' has a built-in switch as well, I assume? like, multiple ports on the 'inside' of the NAT? |
| 22:59.36 | jjazz_ | Where besides /etc and user directories do Debian apps store config info? In other words, If I backup /etc and /home and save a list of packages, is that enough to restore a system if the drive crashes? |
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| 23:00.08 | Ridley | folks, goodnight |
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| 23:00.16 | Ridley | thanks for your great help ;) |
| 23:00.24 | blue_ | how do i create a link from a.load to b.load? |
| 23:00.24 | peterS | jjazz_: packages store their own config info in /var/lib sometimes. /etc is mainly for human-editable data, /var is used for computer-maintained data |
| 23:00.48 | jjazz_ | peterS: I'll add /var/lib to the backup list. Thanks. |
| 23:00.49 | davidcsi | peterS: yes, actually, the two boxes could actually see each other until like a week ago, when I set the ip addresses manually |
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| 23:01.50 | peterS | davidcsi: you're using tcpdump to see the arp request coming in to 192.168.1.2 - does tcpdump also see the arp reply? you never did say what OSes .1.2 and .1.3 were running |
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| 23:02.52 | davidcsi | peterS: sorry, they are both debian sarge with 2.6 kernel... no, I don't see a reply |
| 23:03.04 | blue_ | anyone know how to make a file link to another? |
| 23:03.13 | thomas_adam | blue_: man ln |
| 23:03.15 | caphuso | blue_: man ln |
| 23:03.22 | blue_ | thats it, thanks, i was trying ls |
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| 23:04.12 | willigi | ha you all, im here to learn english, and ive got a question, does anybody knows a webcam running properly under debian linux, with a kernel 2.6.8 or higher? |
| 23:04.47 | peterS | davidcsi: I don't know why a linux kernel would *not* send arp replies. that's pretty odd |
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| 23:05.05 | citral | willigi: those based on phillips chip, e.g. quickcam pro are known to work good |
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| 23:06.43 | citral | willigi: google for it, e.g. for quickcam pro http://www.seismo.ethz.ch/linux/webcam.html |
| 23:06.46 | davidcsi | peterS: I'm going to test something |
| 23:06.49 | peterS | davidcsi: one workaround you could try is to add the other machine to your static arp table, using 'arp -s 192.168.1.2 aa:bb:cc:dd:ee:ff' |
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| 23:07.58 | xst | I use blender on a debian with gnome. There are some problem with the graphics below the mouse pointer. When I move the mouse a square of approx 30x30 pixels with the mouse pointer in centrum, jams the graphics below. It's only in this square surrounding the pointer. Has anyone an idea on how to solve it? |
| 23:08.04 | shingouz_ | willigi at least do not get a Sweex miniwebcam or the Creative WebCam Notebook. the sn9c102 module does not like the sweex even if it should and the creative drivers are not yet in the kernel tree at all |
| 23:08.12 | peterS | davidcsi: you can get the aa:bb:cc:dd:ee:ff with '/sbin/ifconfig | grep HWaddr' |
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| 23:08.57 | yoshio_ | c01100011: does "dpkg -l |grep gnome" show you versions other than 2.8.x? |
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| 23:09.28 | FromTO | I have been trying to install debian on my desktop with no luck. I first thought my hard drive was corrupted so I got a replacement. I have a scsi sytem with and adaptec 2930A cu card. everything boots fine but I keep getting messages like "crc ; system halted" or it would go on and it won't be able to install the base file. |
| 23:09.50 | yoshio_ | davidcsi: your server isn't a sun is it? if the eeprom is really old, it goes, then you have no MAC address |
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| 23:09.57 | citral | FromTO: ask in #debian-boot |
| 23:10.11 | FromTO | citral : thanks |
| 23:10.32 | willigi | citral: thats my problem, ive a logitech quickcam 3000 pro, but the problem is only with a pwc module i get an image in a bad quality, with pixels on the border of the objects displayed in the image. so i think i should get the pwcx module, but its only support kernel version 2.6.4 |
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| 23:11.43 | loke | what is a good app for writing pdf? |
| 23:11.51 | willigi | citral: sorry, but can you send me the link, which youve sended before again? |
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| 23:11.56 | ravenbird | ROOT has landed! |
| 23:12.00 | litage | Delph: if the router is doing NAT before sending data out to the adsl line, what impact does that have on bandwidth monitoring? |
| 23:12.14 | loke | !tell blume about root |
| 23:12.19 | citral | willigi: I'm not sure that will help you http://www.seismo.ethz.ch/linux/webcam.html |
| 23:12.58 | FromTO | is there a way to register rsync as a protocol in firefox or mozilla. If so how |
| 23:13.09 | citral | willigi: the 2.6.8 kernel comes with a pwc module, it doesn't work? |
| 23:13.44 | loke | what app can i create pdf files with? |
| 23:13.52 | caphuso | loke: lots |
| 23:14.05 | Pappa_ | OpenOffice.Org! ;) |
| 23:14.05 | loke | caphuso which is best? |
| 23:14.09 | FromTO | loke: try pdflatex if yiu know latex. |
| 23:14.11 | caphuso | loke: depends |
| 23:14.17 | loke | i dunno latex |
| 23:14.26 | loke | openoffice can create pdfs? |
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| 23:14.36 | FromTO | loke yes it does |
| 23:14.40 | loke | which app? |
| 23:14.45 | loke | oo??? |
| 23:14.56 | caphuso | the whole suite |
| 23:15.00 | loke | heh |
| 23:15.05 | loke | how |
| 23:15.15 | loke | so from oocalc i can make a pdf |
| 23:15.18 | FromTO | loke: push the buttion |
| 23:15.21 | loke | really |
| 23:15.24 | loke | which? |
| 23:15.45 | loke | oh shit |
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| 23:15.59 | loke | thanks guys |
| 23:16.00 | FromTO | loke: the one that says pdf |
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| 23:16.03 | loke | im blind |
| 23:16.13 | loke | FromTO sorry man, i never saw it |
| 23:16.32 | loke | FromTO i thought i needed a seperate app besides oo |
| 23:16.38 | FromTO | loke: no problem but if you want to do nice things try and give latex a shot |
| 23:16.49 | willigi | citral: yeah i know, but the image is in a bad quality, and the webcam server tells me at startup, that there is no pwcx decompression module! anyway im thinking that the problem of the bad image is because the pwcx module is no present?! |
| 23:16.56 | srineer | hi, im looking for an apt-get source list to get nVidia Drivers for Debain unstable. can someone point in the direction? |
| 23:17.03 | loke | latex heh |
| 23:17.09 | stew | srineer: /msg dpkg nvidia one-liner |
| 23:17.45 | srineer | uh? |
| 23:18.01 | stew | !tell srineer about nvidia one-liner |
| 23:18.11 | srineer | ok |
| 23:18.42 | srineer | ahh |
| 23:19.00 | luulis | hello, anyone else had this kind of behaviour with X; suddenly all text inputting becomes slow as hell (have to hold a key down like 1 sec to input anything)? it is very annoying when this happens, this is the second time it happened to me.. restarting X seems to fix this though.. |
| 23:19.02 | srineer | thank you |
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| 23:19.06 | loke | is there anyway to get the source code from a .bin file? |
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| 23:19.23 | stew | loke: what .bin file? |
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| 23:19.32 | loke | stew cisco ios .bin file |
| 23:19.39 | stew | loke: no |
| 23:19.43 | citral | willigi: ah! I found the new maintainer's site : http://www.saillard.org/linux/pwc/ |
| 23:19.47 | loke | stew: how come? |
| 23:19.57 | simmerz | does the EVMS udeb work yet? RC1 wouldn't let it install. |
| 23:20.01 | citral | willigi: 640x480 and so promised... |
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| 23:20.16 | loke | stew it seems logical to me if it was once source code that it should be able to be decompiled, right? |
| 23:20.25 | stew | loke: what makes you think they put the source in there? |
| 23:20.50 | loke | stew, the bin file was source code before it was compiled correct? |
| 23:21.04 | stew | loke: i dunno |
| 23:21.18 | nrl | loke: see http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Trap_door_function :) |
| 23:21.23 | shingouz_ | loke google for decompiling and be shocked |
| 23:21.27 | loke | nrl whats this? |
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| 23:21.56 | Jonn | :-) I just thought of something really cool, /dev/loremipsum :-) |
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| 23:22.06 | peterS | Jonn: haha |
| 23:22.12 | stew | heh |
| 23:22.15 | peterS | Jonn: a more latin-looking /dev/urandom? |
| 23:22.21 | Jonn | exactly! |
| 23:22.22 | Jonn | :-) |
| 23:22.29 | toresbe | Jonn: hehehe |
| 23:22.32 | nrl | "A trapdoor function is a function that is easy to compute in one direction, and difficult to compute in the opposite direction (finding its inverse)" -- ie finding the inverse of the compile function isn't easy |
| 23:22.34 | tarzeau | why do we need openssh 4.0 ? |
| 23:22.39 | tarzeau | when there is GNU ssh! |
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| 23:22.57 | caphuso | GNU ssh? |
| 23:23.01 | caphuso | what the fuck is that? |
| 23:23.03 | peterS | yeah, wtf is gnu ssh? |
| 23:23.07 | tarzeau | caphuso: yeah, the better ssh |
| 23:23.08 | peterS | I've heard of lsh, is that what you mean? |
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| 23:23.15 | tarzeau | peterS: ye |
| 23:23.20 | caphuso | tarzeau: i've never heard of GNU ssh |
| 23:23.23 | dbron | Hi all, is there a good way to create a macro that I can use with xterm for common commands? I ssh and use the same commands over and over to start mysql and similar items, or queries that are often the same (and rather long). It would be nice to be able to hit crtl-F12 for example and have it send the sequence of keys to the terminal window as if it were typed. I have tried khotkeys but it really sucks. |
| 23:23.26 | toresbe | "Gnussh is a russian delicacy" |
| 23:23.43 | citral | hehe |
| 23:23.51 | peterS | is lsh actually going anywhere? I thought it was practically dead ever since openssh arose from the non-free camp of ssh.com |
| 23:23.52 | citral | you mean Gulasch |
| 23:23.55 | loke | nrl i see |
| 23:24.10 | loke | nrl so its almost impossible? |
| 23:24.17 | shingouz_ | citral that is hungarian afaik |
| 23:24.24 | caphuso | peterS: it's definitely not being testing enough for my taste |
| 23:24.33 | caphuso | s,ing,ed, |
| 23:24.35 | citral | need further exlorations |
| 23:24.47 | peterS | caphuso: well, I scoffed at gnutls too and that has turned out to be the 'saner openssl', so.. |
| 23:25.06 | willigi | citral: thanks very much for your link, i dont know, that the pwc support is continued |
| 23:25.31 | citral | willigi: a fight with the kernel maintainers, about binary parts of the module |
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| 23:25.40 | doub | loke: the most you can do, assuming it's not obfuscated, is have the assembly code produced by the compiler |
| 23:25.48 | nrl | loke: well I'm not exactly an expert, there are such things as decompilers but they obviously won't get you back to the pretty source code complete with comments etc |
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| 23:25.54 | Jonn | I think I'll have to head to one of the kernel development channels and have a talk to someone about /dev/loremipsum :-) |
| 23:25.57 | fly_80 | hi all |
| 23:26.01 | caphuso | peterS: well, how many people do you know that run lsh instead of openssh vs. gnutls instead of openssl? |
| 23:26.03 | Jonn | it sounds to cool :-) |
| 23:26.16 | loke | nrl lol |
| 23:26.27 | joey_ | dbron, you can put the commands in a shellscript, or use alias (man bash) |
| 23:26.35 | doub | loke: so you'll have to know about whatever arch assembly your .bin file is made for |
| 23:26.36 | peterS | caphuso: I'm just saying, a few years ago I laughed at gnutls and I turned out to be wrong. maybe lsh will eventually displace openssh for a lot of people. who knows? |
| 23:26.46 | fly_80 | i have this source in my sources.lst : deb http://ftp2.it.debian.org/debian/ testing main non-free contrib |
| 23:26.46 | fly_80 | <PROTECTED> |
| 23:26.58 | caphuso | tarzeau: but you're also pretending to use the hurd, so you don't count ;-) |
| 23:27.02 | stew | fly_80: that is correct |
| 23:27.09 | stew | fly_80: most likely sarge will release with 2.6.8 |
| 23:27.10 | tarzeau | caphuso: and don't forget GNUstep! |
| 23:27.15 | Harik | I need to identify a kernel rootkit. It's giving me -EPERM on a file that I'm trying to remove as root. |
| 23:27.25 | caphuso | peterS: but a couple of years ago isn't really important to my needs of security now |
| 23:27.29 | dbron | joey_: thanks but that doesn't work on an ssh connection |
| 23:27.32 | peterS | caphuso: true, true |
| 23:27.39 | caphuso | (nor is in a few years) |
| 23:27.56 | willigi | does anybody knows when sarge comes stable? |
| 23:27.56 | loke | nrl, it is easier to find software insecurities with source code rather any binaries corect? |
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| 23:28.08 | citral | willigi: siyh |
| 23:28.08 | bob2 | willigi: no, no one does |
| 23:28.11 | loke | willigi 10 maybe 20 years |
| 23:28.13 | bob2 | willigi: when it's ready |
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| 23:28.29 | fly_80 | stew, so i recompile the 2.6.8 with that source |
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| 23:28.54 | stew | fly_80: if you wish. why would you want to recompile/ |
| 23:29.03 | Harik | /bin/ls, /bin/netstat, /bin/ps, md5sum, find, top, pstree, lsof. That's the main ones. |
| 23:29.06 | nrl | loke: I would presume so |
| 23:29.08 | d0t101 | whats the fastest way to sync time with internet time? Running debian sarge... |
| 23:29.13 | willigi | citral: sorry dont understand your short forms, what is siyh? |
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| 23:29.18 | Harik | d0t101: ntpdate |
| 23:29.19 | davis | i need help with a trident card. |
| 23:29.21 | doub | d0t101: ntpdate |
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| 23:29.25 | d0t101 | thanks guys |
| 23:29.26 | eidolon | hey folks, i'm trying to get a lusb joystick controller to work under debian testing. what's the current stats of joystick support under usb? do i follow the 'linuxusbguide' guidelines (mknode /dev/input/js0 etc etc) ? |
| 23:29.26 | citral | willigi: sooner if you help :) |
| 23:29.29 | loke | d0t101 ntp |
| 23:29.31 | davis | I switched to the trident and it works in VESA mode for X11 |
| 23:29.32 | fly_80 | stew, i have to verify if there are the option to activate my wireless card |
| 23:29.42 | davis | but it using refresh rate of 85 hz. |
| 23:29.48 | davis | err, 88Hz |
| 23:29.52 | stew | fly_80: look in /boot/config-`uname -r` |
| 23:30.03 | willigi | citral: ah thanks ;) |
| 23:30.05 | davis | the monitor has a help function which says it will remove flicker if it runs at 70 or 85 hz |
| 23:30.07 | Harik | ifconfig, ttyload, ttymon. Damn, what I'd be using. |
| 23:30.10 | davis | any idea how I can do this? |
| 23:30.12 | fly_80 | stew, what i have to look there ? |
| 23:30.22 | meds | is it possible to use passive mode on prism3 usb wireless? i thought i saw patches somewhere |
| 23:30.23 | citral | davis: dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xfree86 |
| 23:30.28 | stew | fly_80: that is the config your kernel was compiled with |
| 23:30.36 | davis | citral: i have been doing that |
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| 23:30.41 | Harik | Anyone? |
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| 23:30.45 | stew | fly_80: if it is available in the kernel-source then its probably compiled as a module in the debian kernel |
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| 23:30.52 | doub | is it possible to have a dual-head setup where, say, you have X on one screen, and console on the other ? i've searched for dual head console on google but didn't find useful stuff |
| 23:30.53 | shingouz_ | meds you talking about monitor mode or promiscuous now? |
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| 23:30.54 | Harik | I'm trying to ID this rootkit so I can figure out where it got in. |
| 23:31.04 | meds | shingouz_: yes |
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| 23:31.09 | davis | citral: I have set the upper end of the refresh rate to 85, but it seems to override it based on ddc results. |
| 23:31.11 | fly_80 | ah ok |
| 23:31.12 | g4me0ver | hi... |
| 23:31.23 | shingouz_ | meds which is it you mean? two different animals |
| 23:31.29 | citral | davis: I see... did you try 70? |
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| 23:31.35 | fly_80 | i have the 2.6.8.1 in /boot |
| 23:31.39 | bboett | stupid question about chown.... why isn't it possible to give a file to another user??? |
| 23:31.40 | g4me0ver | someone know how to add a image to grub?? |
| 23:31.45 | davis | citral: not 70 but I will try it. |
| 23:31.51 | Harik | bboett: Lot of exploits |
| 23:31.54 | eidolon | bboett: only root can change ownership to someone else. |
| 23:31.58 | bboett | darn.... |
| 23:31.59 | doub | g4me0ver: add it to /boot/grub/menu.lst |
| 23:32.01 | G400 | doub:yes |
| 23:32.04 | meds | shingouz_: must be promiscous, so i can find aps with ssid broadcast off |
| 23:32.14 | doub | G400: do you have pointers as to how ? |
| 23:32.15 | Harik | bboett: There were systems that allowed that, but they were full of ways to get higher privs |
| 23:32.15 | shingouz_ | meds promiscuous should be supported by default and for the rfmon... www.kismetwireless.net and cross your fingers |
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| 23:32.21 | bboett | doesn't solve my cvs problem then... :( |
| 23:32.26 | Harik | generally by dropping config files into daemon/bin etc. |
| 23:32.29 | shingouz_ | meds you want to run kismet is that it? |
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| 23:32.45 | davis | VertRefresh 48-70 |
| 23:32.46 | meds | shingouz_: yes, kismet and something to break wep |
| 23:32.57 | davis | and when I hit monitor info button, it says 88Hz |
| 23:33.01 | Harik | Is there a channel for linux-security questions? |
| 23:33.02 | ZEA | what package contains the configure utility for changing the apearence of kde based applications? |
| 23:33.11 | shingouz_ | meds www.kismetwireless.net and read the docs there, the docs are pretty good |
| 23:33.12 | meds | shingouz_: i assumed monitor, passive, and promiscous modes were all the same. i guess i have some reading to do |
| 23:33.12 | rdgzt | I used to use pppoeconf to set up my DSL connection, but that seems to be deprecated now, with Sarge. What's the correct way to set that up now, so it comes up on boot, etc.? |
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| 23:33.23 | bboett | BTW g4me0ver update-grub does the job just fine, no? |
| 23:33.46 | G400 | doub:you must google a bit; look at framebuffer maybe, or just "dual head" console |
| 23:33.48 | shingouz_ | meds just do that you know, breaking someones wep will get you in trouble, don't do it |
| 23:33.56 | citral | Today is Prickle-Prickle, the 69th day of Chaos in the YOLD 3171 |
| 23:33.58 | doub | rdgzt: only the "trigger on boot" part of it is deprecated, AFAIK |
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| 23:34.09 | betoreyez | which is the meta package to install gcc? |
| 23:34.17 | citral | uh, gcc |
| 23:34.19 | caphuso | betoreyez: apt-get install build-essential |
| 23:34.28 | betoreyez | caphuso, thanks |
| 23:34.28 | doub | rdgzt: for it to work on boot you'll have to set up /etc/network/interfaces (man interfaces) |
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| 23:34.39 | meds | shingouz_: yes, wep was more for testing purposes. but i would like to go wardriving |
| 23:35.04 | fly_80 | stew, i need this in config : ARC4 cipher algorithm (CONFIG_CRYPTO_ARC4) |
| 23:35.13 | G400 | davis: set sane scan rates in XFConfig and then comment out load ddc |
| 23:35.19 | nrl | fdshfdsjkhfjkdshA |
| 23:35.24 | nrl | oops |
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| 23:35.30 | fly_80 | if i do a cat config-2.6.8 |grep arc4 |
| 23:35.49 | shingouz_ | meds the website i referred you to. have fun reading the docs. your best bet for wardriving would still be a prism2 or orinoco card. for the orinocos you will have to patch the driver though so it involves a custom kernel |
| 23:35.49 | fly_80 | the output is : CONFIG_CRYPTO_ARC4=m |
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| 23:36.10 | yoshio_ | bboett: some people (like for instance school) have disk quotas, if you give away files, you would be able to get around that |
| 23:36.10 | Harik | so modprobe arc4 |
| 23:36.50 | meds | shingouz_: i'm limited to usb only as i have an ibook without pcmcia. i'm looking for a better adapter |
| 23:36.51 | Harik | you could also give away files in /tmp and race a process. |
| 23:36.58 | Harik | lots of possiblities. |
| 23:36.59 | shingouz_ | meds speaking of the orinoco drivers, i just patched a 2.6.9 and 2.6.10 with the dragorn patch and it goes flawlessly into both kernel.org and debian sources |
| 23:37.10 | meds | nice |
| 23:37.15 | fly_80 | Harik, and then i have to make the module start at boot ? |
| 23:37.22 | stew | fly_80: /etc/modules |
| 23:37.27 | Harik | fly_80: add it to /etc/modules |
| 23:37.29 | greedymintX | weird Xwin problem with woody... worked fine for about a year, now all of a sudden when it boots, it comes up in "zoom mode" or something. |
| 23:37.31 | greedymintX | the desktop layout is still as if it were the original 1280x1024 i set it at, but it's magnified, so you can see only about 1/16 of the screen at a time, and have to move the mouse around to see other parts of the screen |
| 23:37.32 | greedymintX | the XF86config file has not changed. |
| 23:37.34 | fly_80 | ah ok |
| 23:37.34 | greedymintX | the PC boots into redhat and winXP without this problem, but these alternate boots also do not kick the video back into the right mode when i boot back into debian. |
| 23:37.36 | greedymintX | anyone know what might have changed? it seems like the video card is confused, and retaining this confusion between boots. |
| 23:37.38 | fly_80 | thx |
| 23:38.05 | g4me0ver | where do i need to add the image...?? anyplace in menu.lst?? |
| 23:38.12 | Harik | greedymintX: Ctrl-Alt-+ |
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| 23:38.25 | greedymintX | tried that, nothing happened |
| 23:38.28 | Harik | it probably re-ordered the modes in your XF86-config |
| 23:38.29 | doub | g4me0ver: i bet the best place is at the end |
| 23:38.30 | greedymintX | also tried ctrl-alt-- |
| 23:38.36 | doub | g4me0ver: RTFM for the details |
| 23:38.49 | g4me0ver | thanks.. |
| 23:39.02 | yoshio_ | greedymintX: that is for old video cards that can't do better than 640x480 or 800x600, it allows you to scroll, very annoying |
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| 23:40.05 | tarzeau | greedymintX: can you make a video rom dump before? |
| 23:40.15 | tarzeau | greedymintX: www.linuks.mine.nu/ree/ |
| 23:40.17 | greedymintX | never done that |
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| 23:40.34 | tarzeau | greedymintX: it's easy, download that tool, run it as root, send me all your *.rom to silverd@gmail.com |
| 23:40.49 | greedymintX | kewl... thanks |
| 23:41.00 | yoshio_ | greedymintX: some option in /etc/X11/XF86-Config that I can't remember, there must be a FAQ on the xfree86 site |
| 23:41.05 | tarzeau | greedymintX: beware it might be illegal to distribute that dumps |
| 23:41.22 | tarzeau | heh |
| 23:41.59 | VoX | when trying to mount an nfs share, i get this error - mount: RPC: Program not registered any ideas? |
| 23:42.07 | tarzeau | VoX: run portmapper? |
| 23:42.13 | VoX | it is running |
| 23:42.17 | tarzeau | VoX: on both? |
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| 23:42.46 | VoX | tarzeau: yep |
| 23:42.55 | oR|hilikus | what variation of apt-get can i use to make it go on the debian site and get the latest version of the package? |
| 23:42.57 | tarzeau | VoX: showmount -e nfssesrver says what? |
| 23:43.04 | tarzeau | oR|hilikus: ? |
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| 23:43.09 | tarzeau | oR|hilikus: what software? |
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| 23:43.18 | oR|hilikus | apache |
| 23:43.20 | tarzeau | oR|hilikus: /msg apt sid faq |
| 23:43.22 | rob0 | all your *.rom are belong to us! |
| 23:43.28 | tarzeau | oR|hilikus: apache 1.x or 2.x ? |
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| 23:44.12 | tchmnkyz | hey all i got a prob i am compiling the prism54 drivers with 2.6.11 and i get a error that listed on the forums back as far as 2.6.10 and maybe further back just wondering if someone could help maybe solve it Paste: http://rafb.net/paste/results/uEsgr158.html |
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| 23:44.48 | zOOz | who is responsible for mail dirs(INBOX,OUTBOX,TRASH) creation? (postfix+courier-imap) |
| 23:45.01 | VoX | tarzeau: doesnt find anything |
| 23:45.07 | tarzeau | VoX: are you root? |
| 23:45.10 | VoX | yes |
| 23:45.13 | tchmnkyz | ummm i would think you are z00z |
| 23:45.17 | tarzeau | VoX: ls *.rom ? |
| 23:45.23 | tarzeau | it just writes them, without asking |
| 23:45.31 | VoX | tarzeau: where? |
| 23:45.38 | tarzeau | VoX: wherever you start ree/ree.sh |
| 23:45.55 | VoX | on the server box then? |
| 23:46.01 | tarzeau | yep |
| 23:46.07 | G400 | zOOz: exim will create mail dirs if you supply it with .forward rules |
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| 23:46.20 | oR|hilikus | can i386 work if i686 isnt availble? |
| 23:46.27 | leumaS | I'm getting a strange error about k3b not finding growisofs but is i there right where it is supposed to be in /usr/bin/ anybody heard about this? |
| 23:46.31 | oR|hilikus | http://packages.debian.org/stable/web/apache |
| 23:46.33 | shingouz_ | oR|hilikus yes |
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| 23:46.36 | oR|hilikus | ok |
| 23:46.41 | pootie | hello |
| 23:47.08 | pootie | anyone know if it is possible to run windows screensavers under linux, using an emulator or something? |
| 23:47.14 | VoX | tarzeau: it's not finding anything |
| 23:47.18 | enyc | no ida |
| 23:47.20 | tarzeau | pootie: ugh |
| 23:47.30 | enyc | proabbly with wine or something, but sounds like a bit of a silly thing to be trying to do |
| 23:47.39 | tarzeau | VoX: you must be doing something wrong, i can't explain it to me otherwise |
| 23:47.44 | VoX | ok |
| 23:47.55 | G400 | zOOz: Maildir format does not specify INBOX,OUTBOX, or trash. But you can of course create them. Mail apps sometimes do their own thing. IMAP is different. |
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| 23:48.28 | rob0 | tchmnkyz: often, "implicit declaration" warnings mean that one or more of your #include files are missing. Do you have kernel source and headers installed? |
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| 23:49.28 | willigi | citral: hey how did you find this page which you gave it to me so fastly, is it a special search engine? |
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| 23:49.39 | RoNiS | hi, when i start kde with KDM the fonts become too little and when i kill kdm and start X without it, the fonts goes to the normal size, how i can fix it? |
| 23:50.31 | thomas_adam | RoNiS: /msg dpkg font guide, perhaps. |
| 23:50.38 | bob2 | nope |
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| 23:54.25 | badblody | how can i compile for a sparc in a x86 ? |
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| 23:54.52 | brynjarh | So how long does it usually take for a new release of GNOME to hit unstable? |
| 23:55.36 | Harik | Holy FUCK I feel stupid. |
| 23:55.45 | bob2 | badblody: you can't, easily |
| 23:55.45 | Harik | No wonder I couldn't find a kernel rootkit. |
| 23:55.54 | bob2 | badblody: if it's a simple package, look at toolchain-source |
| 23:55.59 | Harik | it was chattr +i |
| 23:55.59 | bob2 | Harik: go away |
| 23:56.02 | Harik | x.x |
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| 23:56.08 | fly_80 | which is the module name for this ? CONFIG_FW_LOADER=m |
| 23:56.08 | fly_80 | <PROTECTED> |
| 23:56.10 | bob2 | that doesn't stop you seeing it |
| 23:56.14 | blue_ | i have a good idea for a program, a gui that lists commonly used terminal commands, like /etc/init.d/apache2 reload |
| 23:56.16 | Harik | no, immutable |
| 23:56.17 | bob2 | fly_80: the kernel help will say |
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| 23:56.31 | Harik | bob2: I was looking for a rootkit because I couldn't delete files in /bin |
| 23:56.33 | bob2 | brynjarh: I really really doubt they're uploading it before sarge |
| 23:56.35 | Harik | they were just marked immutable. |
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| 23:57.01 | prahal | brynjarh: until the previous debian has msot bugs fixed or only design bugs |
| 23:57.02 | daft_ | Some one here Running the Teamspeak client (not in debian package) i have a problem with it |
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| 23:57.39 | prahal | brynjarh: it could be done but 2.6.10 is mostly a feature release, it does not fix most bugs in 2.6.8 |
| 23:57.40 | brynjarh | darn it :), well that's good I guess. |
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| 23:59.46 | prahal | blue_: you coudl port/improve tkworld |
| 23:59.50 | fly_80 | where can i find the kernel help without do a make menuconfig ? |
