| 00:00.08 | FieldySnuts | awk was the way, what I don't know how to do now is stick text in front of every one of those |
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| 00:00.52 | oenek | Heya |
| 00:00.54 | Hashar | helllo debian users :o) |
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| 00:00.59 | oenek | I'm having aptitude problems |
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| 00:01.22 | oenek | basically it wants to uninstall a lot of my software because it deems its not in use |
| 00:01.35 | Hashar | anyone can give me a tip to get ' xmodmap -e "pointer = 1 2 3 6 7 4 5" exectued everytime I log in in X please ? :o) |
| 00:01.50 | oenek | I guess tehy were secondary packages installed for the benifit of something I installed |
| 00:02.00 | oenek | but I do use them quite a bit |
| 00:02.02 | oenek | like KDE |
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| 00:02.15 | oenek | its not cool when it tried to uninstall all of KDE *L* |
| 00:02.36 | oenek | and I'm just trying to do a dist-upgrade |
| 00:02.44 | iceman | Hashar: put it in ~/.Xsession |
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| 00:02.57 | beardy | oenek: Mark those packages to be/continue to be installed manually. |
| 00:02.59 | oenek | so I was wondering how other people solved this problem |
| 00:03.06 | Hashar | iceman> is there a way to have it system wide ? |
| 00:03.32 | oenek | beardy: Is there a quick way to do that? |
| 00:03.50 | iceman | Hashar: not sure, check man x |
| 00:03.56 | oenek | beardy: for example all the KDE stuff I have installed... there are quite a few packages |
| 00:04.09 | FieldySnuts | how can I echo a single string X number of times to stdout? |
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| 00:04.29 | FieldySnuts | 278 to be precise |
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| 00:05.28 | beardy | oenek: I don't know.. I guess you'll have to go through them all. |
| 00:05.38 | FieldySnuts | apj_ubuntu: this isn't an ubuntu channel, #ubuntu. |
| 00:05.55 | iceman | FieldySnuts: something like.. for ((i=0; i < 279; i++)) ; do ; echo string ; done |
| 00:06.28 | FieldySnuts | syntax error near unexpected token `;' |
| 00:06.42 | iceman | thats bash vs zsh I believe, I use zsh.. |
| 00:06.49 | FieldySnuts | okay, i use bash, thanks though :P |
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| 00:07.12 | oenek | beardy: hah hah if it comes down to that I'll just stick with Synaptic :-p Wish there was an option to turn off some of aptitudes "smart" features. |
| 00:07.20 | iceman | FieldySnuts: for ((i=0; i < 279; i++)) do echo string ; done |
| 00:07.32 | FieldySnuts | that did it |
| 00:07.38 | FieldySnuts | thanks |
| 00:07.43 | iceman | FieldySnuts: and s/279/278 of course |
| 00:07.47 | FieldySnuts | right |
| 00:07.59 | oenek | Anyone in here using E DR117? |
| 00:08.05 | oenek | DR17 I mean |
| 00:08.09 | cafuego | FieldySnuts: for i in $(seq 0 279); do echo foo; done |
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| 00:10.06 | FieldySnuts | ok what i'm trying to do here: I have file-1.txt with a string, 278 lines. I have file-2 with a different string, 278 lines. I want to take line 1 from file-1, slap line1 from file-2 on the end of it, do the same for line 2, till the end. ideas? |
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| 00:10.29 | FieldySnuts | to stdout or some such |
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| 00:11.27 | oenek | could do that pretty fast in perl FieldySnuts |
| 00:11.38 | FieldySnuts | if i knew it |
| 00:11.42 | oenek | or Ruby or Python or whatever |
| 00:11.52 | thomas_adam | Ruby rocks. |
| 00:11.56 | oenek | ok here let me hook you up |
| 00:12.06 | oenek | <-- Ruby freak :-D |
| 00:12.15 | FieldySnuts | i don't have ruby... |
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| 00:12.32 | thomas_adam | FieldySnuts: If you have apt-listbugs installed, you do. |
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| 00:12.37 | FieldySnuts | really. |
| 00:12.49 | thomas_adam | FieldySnuts: Yes, all written in Ruby. |
| 00:12.55 | fredy0ne | hell0! |
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| 00:13.12 | Zarovich | hello all world! |
| 00:13.12 | ralf | hi |
| 00:13.16 | pipeline | FieldySnuts: Ruby's standard library, built into the interpreter, has everything you would need to do that. |
| 00:13.26 | ralf | anyone has ever compiled the kernel with te |
| 00:13.31 | ralf | the -O3 flag? |
| 00:13.49 | FieldySnuts | bad idea. makes it bigger and slower. -O3 is overoptimization., |
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| 00:14.23 | _rene_ | and as the kernel people work around gcc stuff, -O3 may even miscompile your kernel in additoon to make it bigger and slower |
| 00:14.26 | pipeline | Not to mention that GCC is not an optimizing compiler. |
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| 00:14.33 | pipeline | It's not meant to optimize aggressively. |
| 00:14.43 | pipeline | That was pretty far down the list of developer priorities on GCC-devel until recently. |
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| 00:15.14 | michal_ | hi.. does anyone here understand how the new xen 2.0 debian packages by doogie work? |
| 00:15.14 | ralf | intel cc can't compile a kernel |
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| 00:15.28 | michal_ | I can't figure out how to build a xen kernel. |
| 00:15.59 | ^c | aggg I am stuck playing monopoly |
| 00:16.34 | roo9 | does anyone have any experience with IR support on the creative Audigy 2? i'm getting no data from the device :-( |
| 00:17.31 | pipeline | ralf: That's because intel cc isn't a real C compiler. It's intended for one thing and one thing only: SPEC. |
| 00:17.52 | ralf | lol |
| 00:17.59 | directhex | pipeline, that's rather misinformed |
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| 00:18.07 | directhex | ralf, the kernel uses chunks of non-standard gcc-only c |
| 00:18.23 | pipeline | directhex: If you say so. Not very many people use Intel's C compiler for actual projects. |
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| 00:18.44 | ralf | intel cc is c compliant |
| 00:18.44 | pipeline | directhex: Their Itanium compiler suite is much less frightening. |
| 00:18.56 | directhex | pipeline, but not very effective |
| 00:18.57 | ralf | gcc has some other features |
| 00:19.06 | directhex | pipeline, gcc will outperform it in several scenarios |
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| 00:19.28 | pipeline | directhex: That's the price you pay for getting working code as output, which is more than I can say about icc. |
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| 00:19.53 | ralf | the jvm is good to make native code |
| 00:19.55 | directhex | pipeline, icc code tends to work, as long as you don't stick on the 'only reun on pentium 4' flags |
| 00:20.06 | ralf | i have a program that runs in 80secs with g++ |
| 00:20.14 | ralf | 60 with gcc |
| 00:20.19 | ralf | 4 in java |
| 00:20.25 | ralf | and 3 in gcc -O3 |
| 00:20.26 | distempr | Eh, I already know the answer... but why the eff do I need hotplug.../ |
| 00:20.27 | distempr | ? |
| 00:20.34 | distempr | stupid pos. |
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| 00:20.39 | FieldySnuts | stupid user. |
| 00:20.43 | directhex | distempr, so you can plug in devices & have them work? |
| 00:20.55 | pipeline | distempr: So you don't have to use discover or superprobe. |
| 00:21.03 | directhex | or kudzu! |
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| 00:21.31 | pipeline | distempr: Hotplug is merely the least painful of a number of awful choices. |
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| 00:21.57 | distempr | pipeline: heh agreed. Still ... it seems awfully borked. |
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| 00:22.01 | distempr | By default anyway. |
| 00:22.14 | distempr | kudzu omfg... what a piece... |
| 00:22.31 | directhex | or drakconf |
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| 00:22.49 | distempr | directhex: you seriously remember that? I had wiped all memories of it... |
| 00:22.58 | directhex | harddrake, i mean |
| 00:23.01 | ^c | !kudzu |
| 00:23.01 | dpkg | kudzu is probably redhat's hardware autodetection and configuration program, which runs each boot to check for and configure any changed hardware on the system. a dip shit, or another word for 'dirty kludge', and a noxious vine which smothers everything it touches. You have been warned. |
| 00:23.03 | pipeline | distempr: The alternatives are just as bad. |
| 00:23.17 | distempr | Though FieldySnuts is correct, stupid users should be here bitching about stupid software. |
| 00:23.39 | distempr | pipeline: yeah, it seems ok, though borked by default, more RTFM for me I guess ;) |
| 00:23.42 | distempr | *cry* |
| 00:23.48 | peetah | when using a netinstall image must i create a floppy bootdisk or what? |
| 00:24.04 | tarzeau | no |
| 00:24.13 | directhex | peetah, do you want to? would it make you happy? |
| 00:24.14 | distempr | peetah: burn an iso, though d-i also allows you to use disks if you insist. |
| 00:24.17 | directhex | how does it make you feel? |
| 00:24.56 | peetah | distempr: oh, okay. because i mounted the woody-i386 image and burned it. but it fails to boot. |
| 00:25.11 | tarzeau | peetah: you should burn iso images |
| 00:25.15 | distempr | ... mounted? |
| 00:25.17 | simonrvn | oh no, yet another debian deriv... |
| 00:25.19 | directhex | peetah, you MOUNTED it? as in... >_< |
| 00:25.20 | tarzeau | peetah: now the stuff you see when it's mounted |
| 00:25.25 | directhex | simonrvn, ? |
| 00:25.30 | tarzeau | simonrvn: where, what? |
| 00:25.30 | pipeline | peetah: You probably want sarge, rather than woody. |
| 00:25.32 | simonrvn | /topic |
| 00:25.44 | fredy0ne | apt-get moo |
| 00:25.45 | directhex | i see nothing new |
| 00:25.46 | tarzeau | simonrvn: Kurumin ? i've never heard of that |
| 00:25.46 | simonrvn | Knoppix/Ubuntu/Mepis/Kurumin are NOT Debian |
| 00:25.51 | pipeline | peetah: Sarge is getting close enough to release that it doesn't change quickly, and woody is starting to get long in the tooth. |
| 00:25.55 | simonrvn | me neither |
| 00:25.59 | directhex | kurumin is a brazilian knoppix |
| 00:26.00 | directhex | iirc |
| 00:26.03 | peetah | pipeline: point me to sarge then. |
| 00:26.04 | tarzeau | simonrvn: ssssh pssst , there is also GNUstep live CD, but this *is* debian |
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| 00:26.22 | tarzeau | simonrvn: it doesn't break anything, and can be used to install true debian |
| 00:26.22 | simonrvn | dunno i should lart you or not (j/k) |
| 00:26.22 | directhex | !d-i peetah |
| 00:26.22 | dpkg | peetah, you want to go to http://www.debian.org/devel/debian-installer/ - for your own good, and everyone else's. |
| 00:26.38 | pipeline | peetah: http://cdimage.debian.org/pub/cdimage-testing/daily/i386/current/sarge-i386-netinst.iso |
| 00:26.52 | simonrvn | tarzeau: when oldworlds can boot linux from cd, i'll talk to you about it ;) |
| 00:27.16 | tarzeau | simonrvn: okay it's only i386. i have plans to support powerpc (but this needs some time) |
| 00:27.17 | directhex | there IS a new one though! Loco Linux, an argentinian Progeny derivative |
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| 00:27.39 | ugexe | are there any decent perl specific editor debugger packages? |
| 00:27.42 | peetah | pipeline: 404 |
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| 00:27.48 | simonrvn | tarzeau: so does oldworld cd booting =) |
| 00:27.48 | peetah | dpkg: lol 22kb/sec. |
| 00:27.49 | dpkg | peetah: I give up, what is it? |
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| 00:27.59 | peetah | hehe |
| 00:28.09 | tarzeau | simonrvn: i wouldn't want to run anything on a oldworld, really |
| 00:28.14 | simonrvn | ugexe: perl-debug |
| 00:28.25 | directhex | simonrvn, top box on http://distrowatch.com/dwres.php?resource=independence |
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| 00:28.37 | ralf | i have an arithmetic program that gives different outputs if i compile it with -O3, *BAD* |
| 00:28.45 | directhex | ah, i was right. "Kurumin Linux is a Brazilian run-from-CD Linux distribution based on Knoppix. Its main features are excellent hardware auto-detection, support for Brazilian Portuguese and small size." |
| 00:28.48 | simonrvn | wtf |
| 00:28.53 | directhex | ralf, don't use -O3 |
| 00:28.54 | peetah | pipeline: http://cdimage.debian.org/pub/cdimage-testing/daily/i386/20050220/sarge-i386-netinst.iso is the latest. |
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| 00:29.18 | ralf | directhex same output of -O3 with -O2 |
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| 00:29.36 | ralf | and same with -O1 |
| 00:29.44 | simonrvn | Based on Debian GNU/Linux: 129 Distributions |
| 00:29.47 | simonrvn | O_O |
| 00:30.02 | ralf | damn, only -O0 differs from others |
| 00:30.11 | directhex | simonrvn, you never wondered why so many people come in here with nondeb distros? |
| 00:30.23 | swatikiss | i need to setup a debian firewall/router with proxy, mail server |
| 00:30.32 | simonrvn | no, i'm too busy to wonder about that |
| 00:30.42 | TheBlueWizard | ralf: what version of the compiler are you using, and on what platform (being curious) |
| 00:30.45 | swatikiss | what is the easiest way to set up the router |
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| 00:30.56 | ralf | -O1, -O2, -O3 outputs: false; -O0 outputs: true |
| 00:30.57 | ralf | gcc version 3.4.4 20050203 (prerelease) (Debian 3.4.3-9) |
| 00:31.02 | ralf | x86 |
| 00:31.03 | peetah | swatikiss: use iptables |
| 00:31.05 | simonrvn | swatikiss: iptables, sysctl, sh, vim, and iproute |
| 00:31.25 | peetah | iptables is poorly written though |
| 00:31.32 | peetah | you'd be better of with a 3com |
| 00:31.33 | peetah | hahah |
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| 00:31.54 | swatikiss | i was trying with shorewall with poor results |
| 00:32.01 | peetah | *sighs* |
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| 00:32.17 | ralf | TheBlueWizard: http://chicca.ath.cx:2005/methcall/ |
| 00:32.25 | ralf | try the test by yourself |
| 00:32.26 | siimo | hi im wondering why my Debian menu is empty? i am using gnome : fresh sarge install |
| 00:32.33 | peetah | swatikiss: what purpose do you need it for? |
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| 00:32.47 | swatikiss | basically just home network |
| 00:32.47 | peetah | you don't need gui's siimo |
| 00:32.48 | calljair | hello guys |
| 00:32.55 | swatikiss | nope, no gui |
| 00:32.58 | calljair | I am running from debian very nice |
| 00:33.05 | siimo | peetah, dont tell me what i need :-| |
| 00:33.10 | directhex | calljair, which version? |
| 00:33.15 | ralf | i've formatted gentoo just now |
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| 00:33.18 | calljair | I am interested in sett up my cupsys and my sound |
| 00:33.18 | nSe | ok guys, nothing dealing with debian, but i need to certificate myself that something that i wrote is in perfect english, which is not my native language (that's importar for me) it's just a 6 string text, anybody, please? |
| 00:33.19 | ralf | freebsd too |
| 00:33.25 | calljair | I lost them. |
| 00:33.33 | calljair | directhex, I am running sarge |
| 00:33.46 | calljair | the sound was working with winxp |
| 00:33.48 | peetah | siimo: hehehe :) |
| 00:34.02 | directhex | calljair, what's the sound card? |
| 00:34.03 | calljair | I know that I need to install something or run some commands |
| 00:34.14 | calljair | directhex, hmmm I will tell you right now |
| 00:34.25 | siimo | all im wondering is , has the install gone wrong somewhere or is the menu empty when all i have installed is base + gnome |
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| 00:34.51 | bnoji | Anyone know a lot about video formats and conversions? |
| 00:35.03 | C5Hardtop | siimo, i installed sarge with just the desktop option and got a debian menu |
| 00:35.10 | bnoji | I've got this crazy little device that records video and plays it back... |
| 00:35.21 | peetah | bnoji: any conversion is a bad conversion, your looking at atleast 2.5% loss of quality per frame. |
| 00:35.28 | websdale | siimo:have you tried running 'update-menus' ? |
| 00:35.28 | siimo | C5Hardtop, desktop option? i did a base install and then apt-getted gnome |
| 00:35.32 | bnoji | peetah: I dont really care about quality. |
| 00:35.46 | bnoji | I'm just trying to convert to a format this device can read. |
| 00:35.54 | siimo | websdale, bash: update-menus: command not found |
| 00:35.55 | C5Hardtop | siimo, maybe its called the workstation option. I did a net install |
| 00:36.16 | bnoji | It writes/plays back ASF files in MPEG-4. 8-bit mono audio. |
| 00:36.29 | abrotman | !moo |
| 00:36.29 | dpkg | mooooooo! I am cow, hear me moo, I weigh twice as much as you. I'm a cow, eating grass, methane gas comes out my ass. I'm a cow, you are too; join us all! Type apt-get moo. |
| 00:36.30 | bnoji | I can't find any way to write MPEG-4 |
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| 00:37.02 | peetah | dpkg: init('CALL init.kill.asap'); |
| 00:37.02 | dpkg | wish i knew, peetah |
| 00:37.14 | siimo | sweet its there now |
| 00:37.16 | nSe | hey buddies, that's important for me... anybody out there? |
| 00:37.17 | siimo | thanks websdale |
| 00:37.36 | abrotman | there is nobody |
| 00:37.37 | websdale | siimo:it happened to me... |
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| 00:38.37 | peetah | bnoji: oh, just use an average windows software or something |
| 00:38.42 | abrotman | nSe: don't /msg me |
| 00:38.51 | calljair | directhex, it is a soundmax |
| 00:38.52 | abrotman | nSe: #english |
| 00:38.53 | abrotman | !br |
| 00:38.54 | dpkg | Por favor use #debian-br para ajuda em portugues. |
| 00:38.57 | xnotte | i've installed et-linux-2.55.x86.run in /usr/local/games/enemy-territory/, how can i uninstall this ? erasing directory ? |
| 00:39.02 | calljair | directhex, soundmax something |
| 00:39.07 | abrotman | nSe: stop .. now |
| 00:39.15 | stego | Hi, would anyone have the faintest idea why when I plug in my USB camera and move my USB mouse shortly afterwards, my mouse stop working until I reboot. But if I wait 5-10 seconds after attaching my camera, my mouse works fine! |
| 00:39.18 | calljair | directhex, ac97 |
| 00:39.31 | nSe | abrotman: og gosh, you're really bad |
| 00:39.31 | abrotman | !babelfish |
| 00:39.31 | dpkg | i heard babelfish is a small fish you put in your ear.It translates everything to your language.Look at http://babelfish.altavista.com |
| 00:39.37 | abrotman | nSe: no .. you are |
| 00:39.38 | peetah | !fishbot |
| 00:39.42 | calljair | If I install alsa it is possible that recognize it ? |
| 00:39.43 | abrotman | nSe: there are channel guidelines .. obey them |
| 00:39.57 | ralf | http://chicca.ath.cx:2005/methcall/runlog |
| 00:39.59 | nSe | abrotman: ok, sorry |
| 00:40.00 | calljair | I am trying to get sound on my debian sarge |
| 00:40.14 | ralf | plz, someone looks at the runlog |
| 00:40.16 | abrotman | nSe: you can try asking here .. but i have a feeling it's offtopoic |
| 00:40.22 | ralf | i'm not cheating |
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| 00:40.30 | ralf | sources are in the same dir |
| 00:40.31 | calljair | ok |
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| 00:40.44 | calljair | other time I have to go I will deal with it tomorrow |
| 00:40.50 | calljair | good night guys |
| 00:40.54 | Janos | which version would sarge be, 3.0_r3? |
| 00:40.55 | peetah | when using Sarge, how can i burn a bootable cd? |
| 00:41.00 | peetah | Janos: r2 |
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| 00:41.10 | Janos | peetah: thx |
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| 00:41.28 | arkonis | <--noob: trying to install debian for the first time, getting a |
| 00:41.45 | arkonis | "filesystem was not created." error on any partition that I try |
| 00:42.04 | arkonis | i've tried numerous partition sizes with no luck yet... what am i doing wrong? |
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| 00:42.52 | peetah | arkonis: set it to install automatically. |
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| 00:43.01 | arkonis | ? |
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| 00:43.20 | arkonis | i've downloaded the DVD iso, booting from it... didn't see an "auto" feature |
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| 00:46.09 | xnotte | i've installed et-linux-2.55.x86.run in /usr/local/games/enemy-territory/, how can i uninstall this ? erasing directory ? |
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| 00:47.34 | simonrvn | xnotte: yes |
| 00:47.47 | C5Hardtop | did you install it with apt-get? if so do apt-get remove <package> |
| 00:47.51 | xnotte | no |
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| 00:47.56 | xnotte | sh file.run |
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| 00:48.26 | siimo | hi which version of kernel headers do i install ? kernel is: kernel-image-2.6.8-1-386 but no headers for that version? headers are kernel-headers-2.6.8-10 or kernel-headers-2.6.8-2 |
| 00:48.42 | mathieu_ | xnotte, erasing that dir and /usr/local/bin/{et,etded} |
| 00:48.49 | simonrvn | rm -rf thatdir/ |
| 00:48.52 | xnotte | ok thx |
| 00:48.57 | arkonis | i can't seem to be able to partition my drive during the install... can anyone help me? |
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| 00:49.02 | fredy0ne | byeZz |
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| 00:50.34 | siimo | this is a clean sarge install :-| |
| 00:50.50 | siimo | kernel-image-2.6.8-1-386 is already the newest version |
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| 00:51.13 | siimo | apt-get install kernel-headers-2.6.8-1-386 E: Couldn't find package kernel-headers-2.6.8-1-386 |
| 00:51.17 | modeman | akronis problems? |
| 00:51.40 | modeman | arkonis: what is the message you get? |
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| 00:51.59 | michal_ | damn.. xen has me baffled :( |
| 00:52.16 | TheBlueWizard | ralf: I looked at methcall.c and at runlog...it indeed looks strange. I suggest you have the compiler output an assembly listing and examine it to find out what may be going on |
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| 00:53.16 | ralf | TheBlueWizard: i gave the source at #gcc folks |
| 00:53.24 | TheBlueWizard | ralf: if it indeed looks wrong, then file a bug...but I suggest you try a different code, one without structure, and using global variable...to see what happens |
| 00:53.34 | caine607 | I've been using debian for a while. I installed some servers last year using knoppix because I was curious and I happened to have a knoppix cd handy. I'd like to select a new debian based distro to install basic low end servers, without putting a buncha crap on them. I don't need to run really close to the line, i.e. I don't need it to be as small as busybox or whatever, I just don't want the bloat. Any recommendations? |
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| 00:53.39 | arkonis | modeman: "filesystem was not created" when attempted to initialize and activate |
| 00:53.54 | modeman | ok, what is a really good burning program that wouldn't have any problems using an old yamah 16x ? |
| 00:54.07 | modeman | arkonis: did you delete any existing partitions? |
| 00:54.11 | oenek | is the person that needed to print out the stuff from two files on here still? |
| 00:54.30 | siimo | can someone help me please? |
| 00:54.37 | petemc | caine607: very interesting story, try sarge |
| 00:54.48 | arkonis | modeman: yes, i've attempted to create numerous sized partitions, and even tried a brand new drive... same error |
| 00:55.18 | modeman | arkonis: have you tried booitng, diskpart or anything like that? |
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| 00:55.55 | hogballs | !dpkg oss |
| 00:55.55 | dpkg | it has been said that oss is a catchphrase for Open Source Software that is ironically the acronym referring to 'Open Sound Systems', some very non-free and non-open-source software. It is also Online SAP Support. SAP is VERY non-free. (www.4front-tech.com for OSS) or an acronym coined by Vinod Valipollil in the Halloween document. the "standard" audio drivers in the 2.2-2.4 series of Linux kernels. (See ALSA for 2.5 info).. OldSchoolSound |
| 00:56.10 | arkonis | modeman: i'm using the DVD-iso 'boot-floppies' install system |
| 00:56.20 | C5Hardtop | could it be that your not getting a driver loaded for your controller arkonis ? do you have a raid controller or an add in one? |
| 00:56.20 | modeman | arkonis: does it allow you to view the current partition status? |
| 00:56.42 | hogballs | i forgot my cheat sheet at work... waht was the comman to kill the sound ? killall oss? |
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| 00:56.45 | modeman | brb phone |
| 00:57.01 | arkonis | c5Hardtop: using onboard controller on a soyo board |
| 00:57.46 | cafuego | oss =~ s/2.5/2.6/h |
| 00:57.46 | arkonis | modeman: i'm able to create the partitions, but when it attempts to format it, it errors out.... usually killing the install program afterwards |
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| 00:58.15 | hogballs | your cdrom is dying prolly |
| 00:58.22 | arkonis | it's using cfdisk 2.11n for the partition editor |
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| 00:58.41 | cafuego | arkonis: creating a partition is done by writing to the first 512 bytes of the disk. The format would fail if the disk is bad (and it will tell you) |
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| 00:59.05 | jetscreamer | lilo has a lot fewer bugreports than grub |
| 00:59.09 | arkonis | cafuego: i've tried 2 different disks, one was brand new |
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| 00:59.24 | jetscreamer | s/fewer/fewer open/ |
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| 00:59.40 | cafuego | arkonis: Maybe the mkfs package on cd is busted. |
| 00:59.55 | arkonis | cafuega: possible |
| 01:00.18 | arkonis | i'm downloading a net install iso of sarge right now |
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| 01:00.48 | drp | Unable to connect to SAMBA host, will retry in 60 seconds...ERROR: Connection failed with error NT_STATUS_ACCESS_DENIED |
| 01:00.59 | jetscreamer | windows lubs j00 |
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| 01:01.11 | drp | Problems printing to a samba printer with CUPS : ( |
| 01:01.22 | cafuego | drp: You need a samba user/pass |
| 01:01.48 | drp | cafuego, I can print to the networked printer fine with my XP machine with no username/pass |
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| 01:01.58 | jetscreamer | how nice |
| 01:02.02 | cafuego | drp: That's not what I said. |
| 01:02.16 | cafuego | drp: Besides, it's using the user/pass you logged in with. |
| 01:02.17 | drp | cafuego, k sorry I guess I didn't understand what you said |
| 01:02.37 | drp | cafuego, I think I know what you mean now |
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| 01:03.01 | stew | wow, mplayer actually got uploaded |
| 01:03.05 | cafuego | drp: Edit /etc/cups/printer.conf and set the DeviceURI to: "smb://username:password@server/printer" |
| 01:03.11 | jetscreamer | <PROTECTED> |
| 01:03.17 | jetscreamer | easy to fix though |
| 01:03.27 | Chest | guys is there a command in apt-get to install the source for debian packages? I can't find source files using apt-cache. |
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| 01:03.45 | cafuego | stew: To where? |
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| 01:03.54 | stew | cafuego: ftp-master |
| 01:04.06 | stew | http://ftp-master.debian.org/new.html |
| 01:04.07 | sgeigerbot | !+cdrecord is also ...now known as cdtools |
| 01:04.07 | dpkg | sgeigerbot: that's too long |
| 01:04.09 | cafuego | sria32 only? |
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| 01:04.26 | sgeigerbot | !+cdrecord is also renamed to cdtools |
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| 01:04.26 | dpkg | that's too long, sgeigerbot |
| 01:04.32 | sgeigerbot | !+cdrecord |
| 01:04.32 | dpkg | rumour has it, cdrecord is a CD writing tool which can deal with .iso (the file system) and .cdr (cd audio). It's available at http://www.fokus.gmd.de/nthp/employees/schilling/cdrecord.html. Use -pad if you intend to use .wav when burning audio. Use -swab if your CDR uses little endian or the .cdr is in big endian -- basically if the audio on cd is static, use -swab. now from version 2.0 up it supports atapi cd burners with an option like -dev=ATAPI:/dev/hdd |
| 01:04.36 | Noob | hi all.. i would like to connect with minicom to a hp 712/80 workstation via nullmodem. i set the parity to 8N1 and the baud rate to 9600 (which is correct). does anyone know if there are more things i have to change ? |
| 01:04.42 | Alex2283 | 'lo |
| 01:04.50 | caine607 | petemc: I appreciate your well thought out and expansive advice. |
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| 01:05.11 | Noob | for example is v102 correct ? |
| 01:05.30 | sgeigerbot | ! no cdrecord is , now known as cdtools, a CD writing tool which can deal with .iso (the file system) and .cdr (cd audio). It's available at http://www.fokus.gmd.de/nthp/employees/schilling/cdrecord.html. Use -pad if you intend to use .wav when burning audio. Use -swab if your CDR uses little endian or the .cdr is in big endian -- basically if the audio on cd is static, use -swab. now from version 2.0 up it supports atapi cd bur |
| 01:05.30 | dpkg | sgeigerbot: okay |
| 01:05.30 | sgeigerbot | ners with an option like -dev=ATAPI:/dev/hdd |
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| 01:05.54 | jetscreamer | how do you escape *-* in a bash script? as in i386-pc (*-*) |
| 01:06.00 | oenek | <PROTECTED> |
| 01:06.01 | dpkg | pornview is, like, an awesome porn viewer!, or good for non-porno image libraries. Just ignore the icon. |
| 01:06.02 | Noob | is and is ttys3 the serial port ? |
| 01:06.07 | oenek | hah hah |
| 01:06.14 | FieldySnuts | ttyS3, case is important |
| 01:06.18 | jcole | told my boss "when microsoft buys the internet, firefox will go away" |
| 01:06.20 | ignatius | heh |
| 01:06.35 | Chest | answer: apt-get source package-name |
| 01:06.40 | Alex2283 | I need help from someone with hotplug experience (aka. more than just apt-getting it ;) |
| 01:07.10 | Alex2283 | anyone around who fits that description ? |
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| 01:07.27 | jetscreamer | <PROTECTED> |
| 01:07.37 | Alex2283 | lol |
| 01:07.39 | sgeigerbot | !+cdrecord |
| 01:07.39 | dpkg | from memory, cdrecord is a CD writing tool (rnamed cdtools) for .iso (the file system) and .cdr (cd audio). Available at http://www.fokus.gmd.de/nthp/employees/schilling/cdrecord.html. Use -pad for .wav files when burning audio. Use -swab if your CDR uses little endian or the .cdr is in big endian -- basically if the audio on cd is static, use -swab. now from version 2.0 up it supports atapi cd burners with an option like -dev=AT |
| 01:07.53 | vinay | i want to monitor bandwidth usage on my machine.. from console.. store statistics over a month or something... whats the easiest way to do this? |
| 01:07.58 | jcole | Alex2283: there's a "man" that knows "hotplug", you could "man hotplug" and see what you get |
| 01:08.01 | jetscreamer | !bork sgeigerbot |
| 01:08.02 | Noob | FieldySnuts, what do you mean with case is important ? |
| 01:08.15 | Alex2283 | jcole, uhh yeah. i'm beyond that, otherwise i wouldn't be here |
| 01:08.18 | FieldySnuts | Noob: ttys3 is not the same as ttyS3 , the later is correct |
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| 01:08.31 | humbolt | gnome-volume-manager does set the sync on my usbstick but not on my ipod. does sync mean that I can unplug it any time, cause there is never something not actually written to disk but waiting in cache? |
| 01:08.39 | oenek | Alex2283: I had a hell of a time getting hotplug to work on my laptop too. |
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| 01:09.32 | jcole | Alex2283: what device(s) are you have trouble with? |
| 01:09.41 | oenek | especially when you using a networking PCMIA card with the same chip as your built in lan card. :-p |
| 01:09.49 | Alex2283 | aight, I guess I'll just blurp it out: a) the remover script doesn't get called b) i'm having trouble figuring out which block device is associated with the usb stick i'm plugging in |
| 01:10.02 | sgeigerbot | jetscreamer: Thank you sir, may I have another!? |
| 01:10.02 | siimo | hi does anyone run sarge here and know what 2.6 kernel headers im supposed to install |
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| 01:10.21 | jcole | siimo: module-assistant prepare |
| 01:10.33 | jetscreamer | dpkg, thwart sgeigerbot |
| 01:10.33 | dpkg | jetscreamer: i haven't a clue |
| 01:10.35 | jetscreamer | damn |
| 01:10.52 | hogballs | Can Someone Help Me over at FLOOD CHannel FOR setting Up MY audigy card? |
| 01:10.56 | Alex2283 | b) I'm sortof working around by creating a symlink based on the product name in a udev rule (which isn't that sexy imo) |
| 01:11.15 | Alex2283 | but a) just doesn't make any sense - i don't see anything wrong with it |
| 01:11.18 | jetscreamer | siimo, apt-get install kernel-headers-`uname -r` <-- that works |
| 01:11.25 | siimo | jcole, E: Couldn't find package kernel-headers-2.6.8-1-386 |
| 01:11.45 | Noob | FieldySnuts, sorry for the inaccuracy. minicom gives me ttyS3 as default. how do i know if this is my first serial port to which i connected the null modem card. |
| 01:11.47 | siimo | jetscreamer, same error |
| 01:11.52 | jcole | siimo: you need to add a deb-src line to your sources.list |
| 01:12.04 | sgeigerbot | jetscreamer: actually, your best bet at this point is to re-compile the kernel with AOL support,,,, that should fix it |
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| 01:12.12 | hogballs | H E L P |
| 01:12.14 | bnoji | Has anyone heard of M Catch ? |
| 01:12.15 | siimo | jcole, oh |
| 01:12.15 | Alex2283 | lol @ sgeigerbot |
| 01:12.16 | Noob | FieldySnuts, sorry not card ... bur cable |
| 01:12.20 | DaHooD | Hi |
| 01:12.21 | bnoji | or M-Catch |
| 01:12.22 | jetscreamer | <PROTECTED> |
| 01:12.22 | sgeigerbot | hogballs: Are you drowning or what? Don't ask to ask...just ask. The Ask-To-Ask Protocol v 1.0 wastes more bandwidth than any version of the Ask Protocol. (~ask-to-ask) |
| 01:12.27 | kenboo | i don't think kernel-headers need deb-src... |
| 01:12.52 | jetscreamer | siimo, is this a stock kernel? what does uname -r return? |
| 01:13.01 | hogballs | sbaudigy 1 not working but all is loaded up. help |
| 01:13.02 | siimo | jetscreamer, yes it is |
| 01:13.03 | Alex2283 | hogballs, W H Y are you not reading the channel rules |
| 01:13.06 | jetscreamer | iirc there's some missing that d-i installs |
| 01:13.15 | DaHooD | Does someone know a good trafficanalyser like ibmonitor for the console? I want to the the up/download rate in realtime.... Thx |
| 01:13.15 | oenek | siimo: You should just save yourself the time and roll your own kernel. The Debian 2.6 kernel has a lot of stuff cut out of it. |
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| 01:13.18 | jcole | jetscreamer: he doesn't have deb-src in sources.list |
| 01:13.20 | jetscreamer | missing , taken out |
| 01:13.26 | hogballs | ive been asking for help for over 12 hours now |
| 01:13.34 | siimo | jcole, still same error |
| 01:13.42 | jcole | siimo: apt-get update? |
| 01:13.45 | geoff_ | Question: want to install Sarge to box with nForce3 chipset and *only* SATA hard disks. current i386 d-i chokes on this. Is there a known way to get this working? |
| 01:13.48 | siimo | jcole, yeah done it |
| 01:13.48 | jetscreamer | !tell hogballs about alsa-bork |
| 01:14.05 | Alex2283 | hogballs, well maybe noone with a clue is around - try usenet or the mailing lists |
| 01:14.05 | jcole | siimo: per jetscreamer, uname -r |
| 01:14.13 | bnoji | Would anyone be interested in a digital video/still camera, mp3 player, voice recorder and video playback in a cell phone sized device? |
| 01:14.15 | siimo | 2.6.8-1-386 |
| 01:14.22 | hogballs | jetscreamer, not that is good info! thank you |
| 01:14.31 | Noob | how do i get minicom to connect to ttyS3, baud rate and parity are set correct !?! |
| 01:14.33 | Alex2283 | geoff_, in raid mode you're esentially boned afaik - in compatible mode it should work |
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| 01:14.43 | jetscreamer | !find kernel-headers sarge |
| 01:14.45 | dpkg | Debian Package Listing of 'kernel-headers' (12 shown; 40 total): kernel-headers-2.4-386 ;; kernel-headers-2.4-586tsc ;; kernel-headers-2.4-686 ;; kernel-headers-2.4-686-smp ;; kernel-headers-2.4-k6 ;; kernel-headers-2.4-k7 ;; kernel-headers-2.4-k7-smp ;; kernel-headers-2.4.27-2 ;; kernel-headers-2.4.27-2-386 ;; kernel-headers-2.4.27-2-586tsc ;; kernel-headers-2.4.27-2-686 ;; kernel-headers-2.4.27-2-686-smp. |
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| 01:14.53 | jcole | lol |
| 01:14.56 | jetscreamer | !find kernel-headers-2.6 sarge |
| 01:14.57 | dpkg | Debian Package Listing of 'kernel-headers-2.6' (11 shown; 22 total): kernel-headers-2.6-386 ;; kernel-headers-2.6-686 ;; kernel-headers-2.6-686-smp ;; kernel-headers-2.6-amd64-generic ;; kernel-headers-2.6-amd64-k8 ;; kernel-headers-2.6-amd64-k8-smp ;; kernel-headers-2.6-em64t-p4 ;; kernel-headers-2.6-em64t-p4-smp ;; kernel-headers-2.6-k7 ;; kernel-headers-2.6-k7-smp ;; kernel-headers-2.6.8-10. |
| 01:15.00 | DaHooD | Does someone know a good trafficanalyser like ibmonitor for the console? I want to see the up/download rate in realtime.... |
| 01:15.11 | geoff_ | Alex2283, "compatible mode"? I can only assume that's a BIOS setting I should be looking for . . . . |
| 01:15.12 | Phated | DaHooD: iftop. |
| 01:15.16 | Noob | DaHooD, iptraf ? |
| 01:15.17 | Alex2283 | DaHooD, pppstatus |
| 01:15.22 | Alex2283 | geoff_, yep |
| 01:15.37 | DaHooD | Thx Phated, Noob, Alex2283 |
| 01:15.56 | geoff_ | Alex2283, hmmm, will look . . . damn Chaintech mobo BIOS is LACKING |
| 01:15.57 | jetscreamer | siimo, apt-cache search kernel-headers-2.6, look around, figure out it's not in sarge, get a real kernel or compile one |
| 01:16.03 | siimo | jcole, jetscreamer i guess i need to install kernel-image-2.6.8-2 ? |
| 01:16.14 | Noob | DaHooD, iptraf -> detailed iface statistics |
| 01:16.30 | jetscreamer | siimo, btw don't install headers and kernel at same time, doing kernel first always seems to work better for me |
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| 01:16.40 | Alex2283 | DaHooD, depending on your line speed pppstatus might need some source hacking ( i have 3mbit dsl which the presets don't cover ) |
| 01:16.43 | siimo | ok |
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| 01:16.56 | jetscreamer | siimo, if this is a recentish box you might want to look at the -686 or -k7 |
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| 01:17.12 | siimo | ok |
| 01:17.26 | Noob | no one who can help me with my null modem connection with minicom ? |
| 01:17.34 | siimo | thanks all |
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| 01:18.26 | hogballs | i resetup my apt and selected a new server and its still pulling from the same laggy ass server.. wtf. |
| 01:18.34 | DaHooD | Noob, can i use the tool with a virtual networkdevice? when i start it on the vdevice i got no stats |
| 01:18.39 | Alex2283 | ok, let me ask this way - is anyone running hotplug with a usb stick ? |
| 01:18.42 | jetscreamer | apt-get update hogballs |
| 01:18.50 | jetscreamer | !anyone |
| 01:18.50 | dpkg | ***anyone: No such nick/channel - and yes, there probably is someone, somewhere, who knows or runs it; that doesn't mean *I* do. |
| 01:18.59 | jetscreamer | btw, yes |
| 01:19.02 | sgeigerbot | Noob: there are tutorials on this. Find a list of things to do, do them, and then tell us what you have done. |
| 01:19.04 | jetscreamer | but not me though |
| 01:19.12 | sgeigerbot | Noob: this may help: http://www.tldp.org/HOWTO/Modem-HOWTO-17.html#ss17.22 |
| 01:19.23 | Alex2283 | jetscreamer, smarty |
| 01:19.50 | Noob | sgeigerbot, i followed some hints from PA RISC Linux homepage. it is desribes like that : |
| 01:20.10 | sgeigerbot | Noob: in any case, I don't know what you have and haven't done. |
| 01:20.16 | hogballs | jetscreamer, you fixed me sound problem kudos |
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| 01:20.21 | Noob | Most of the minicom configuration is machine-dependent. You must, however, ensure that: |
| 01:20.21 | Noob | <PROTECTED> |
| 01:20.21 | Noob | <PROTECTED> |
| 01:20.22 | Noob | <PROTECTED> |
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| 01:20.27 | jetscreamer | np an all dat |
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| 01:21.02 | hogballs | next problem: creating a symbolic link for activex plugin to work in mozilla or firefox |
| 01:21.02 | Noob | oops |
| 01:21.13 | Alex2283 | activex ? oi |
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| 01:21.36 | Noob | sgeigerbot, could you please repeat the link ? |
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| 01:22.04 | TCW | <sgeigerbot> Noob: this may help: http://www.tldp.org/HOWTO/Modem-HOWTO-17.html#ss17.22 |
| 01:22.06 | hogballs | in order to get voice chat to work thru wine using yahelinux it requires activex plugin for my browser |
| 01:22.12 | geoff_ | Alex2283, confirmed in BIOS that RAID was disabled for all IDE and SATA devices . . . any other ideas? |
| 01:22.14 | jetscreamer | Alex2283, you need a few modules,usb & the sd-blah...: apt-get install modconf && modconf ; look around a bit. then it gets mounted on sda1 or so as vfat usually |
| 01:22.36 | hogballs | ive tried gyach but it is really buggy and dont work |
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| 01:22.50 | sgeigerbot | Noob: Type "/lastlog sgeigerbot" |
| 01:22.55 | sgeigerbot | ...next time. |
| 01:23.00 | hogballs | though now that ive installed alsa it may work! |
| 01:23.14 | Alex2283 | geoff_, mhm not offhand, i've done it before, and well, what i just told you did the trick (compatible mode enabled) for me - sorry :/ |
| 01:23.21 | Rambo3 | is there a way to make my cpu fan spin at a full speed all the time ? it s a laptop , and sometimes it shuts down from overheating, i have enabled ACPI |
| 01:23.25 | geoff_ | Alex2283, sigh |
| 01:23.26 | Alex2283 | jetscreamer, you haven't been listening, eh ? :P |
| 01:23.30 | jetscreamer | no |
| 01:23.34 | jetscreamer | nor reading |
| 01:23.34 | geoff_ | Perhaps a BIOS flash . . . . |
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| 01:23.53 | geoff_ | Time to go looking for BIOS images, BLEAH. |
| 01:24.10 | Alex2283 | jetscreamer, it's essentially working, just the remover script doesn't get called ( or quits for that matter - can't really tell) |
| 01:24.19 | jetscreamer | o |
| 01:24.29 | abrotman | sgeigerbot: do it again |
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| 01:24.43 | jcole | !fart on hogballs |
| 01:24.55 | jetscreamer | ahh maybe that's related to all the error msg's on_boot about not being able to rmmod *.* |
| 01:25.14 | Alex2283 | Rambo3, you'll need a board supporting that, and you'll need sysfs. then you can do something like... |
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| 01:25.16 | jetscreamer | iirc that's hotplugish |
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| 01:25.31 | jetscreamer | with a stock kernel |
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| 01:25.50 | jetscreamer | (shit that's a given isn't it) |
| 01:25.58 | jetscreamer | well ok no it's not |
| 01:26.06 | Alex2283 | Rambo3, echo yourmaxvaluehere > /sys/bus/i2c/devices/0-6000/fanX_input |
| 01:26.29 | Rambo3 | i am in win now |
| 01:26.38 | Alex2283 | see kids, that's why drugs are bad for you... |
| 01:26.54 | Alex2283 | Rambo3, windows doesn't have sysfs :P |
| 01:27.12 | Rambo3 | yeah but cpu fan works |
| 01:27.17 | Alex2283 | jetscreamer, anyway, i don't think so, not using the stock kernel, and not having that problem |
| 01:27.38 | abrotman | Rambo3: acpi.sf.net |
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| 01:27.53 | Rambo3 | strange couse i didnt have the problems with forst kernel |
| 01:27.59 | jetscreamer | just sounds like both could be caused by the same thing |
| 01:28.01 | jetscreamer | no idea |
| 01:28.04 | abrotman | probably didn't have acpi running |
| 01:28.10 | jetscreamer | it's chiffon |
| 01:28.16 | abrotman | cafuego: are you fabio ? |
| 01:28.26 | Alex2283 | Rambo3, uh and that 0-6000 is related to my machine here, so it'll be different for you. heck the whole path could be different :P |
| 01:28.27 | Rambo3 | no it didn t have acpi |
| 01:28.32 | s-king | where can i find a links2 version with ssl enabled? |
| 01:28.43 | jetscreamer | i look like fabio, in a fat kind of way... |
| 01:28.46 | Alex2283 | jetscreamer, well, almighty, any clues ? |
| 01:28.58 | jetscreamer | no, i was just musing |
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| 01:29.07 | Paganist | Anyone has an idea why samba worked just very well and someday started to be very very very slow to browse throught when i didn't change nothing in the config ? |
| 01:29.08 | jetscreamer | hotplug is a mystery to me |
| 01:29.09 | Alex2283 | jetscreamer, figured. :P |
| 01:29.20 | Alex2283 | almost deciphered it :P |
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| 01:29.39 | Alex2283 | ah well. who the fark needs hotplugging anyway |
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| 01:29.51 | Alex2283 | :%s/hotplugging/umounting/ |
| 01:29.54 | oenek | guess you eat the "real" butter huh jet? |
| 01:29.58 | Alex2283 | it's too late |
| 01:30.07 | gonzalo | alguien español? |
| 01:30.12 | Alex2283 | gonzalo, no. |
| 01:30.13 | cafuego | !es |
| 01:30.14 | dpkg | Hispanohablantes: Por favor usen #debian-es, alli obtendran mas ayuda. Spanish Speakers: Please use #debian-es, there you will get much more help. |
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| 01:31.43 | cafuego | abrotman: I used to look like fabio until I cut my hair. |
| 01:31.53 | cafuego | abrotman: At least, according to some unreliable females. |
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| 01:32.09 | oenek | plenty of oenek brand nut butter to go around ;-) |
| 01:32.20 | cafuego | The reliable females went "who the hell is fabio" |
| 01:32.28 | hogballs | he is this gay dude |
| 01:32.30 | hogballs | lol |
| 01:32.30 | sgeigerbot | Kind of stuck on what might be wrong with cdrecord (help!): "cdrecord --scanbus" gives me: "cdrecord: No target found." However, I have the sg module loaded: "sg 39584 0" and "scsi_mod 130112 3 sr_mod,sg,ide_scsi" Googling isn't helping much. Any ideas would be appreciated. |
| 01:32.40 | Phated | Who the hell -is- fabio? |
| 01:32.42 | cafuego | hogballs: oh, so i *am* like him. |
| 01:32.53 | hogballs | hahahah im just kidding |
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| 01:33.09 | hogballs | fabio is like a long haired dude that chicks like |
| 01:33.15 | Alex2283 | sgeigerbot, ide or scsi writer ? |
| 01:33.23 | oenek | didn't he star in cut rate B movies with Billy Blanks? Or was that just a wannbe Fabio? |
| 01:33.24 | cafuego | Phated: Do you like fabio? |
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| 01:33.31 | sgeigerbot | hogballs: Fabio is a guy I once met on the street in Manhattan. Yes, he dresses wierd, even by their standards. |
| 01:33.32 | Phated | cafuego: Who the fuck is fabio? |
| 01:33.35 | Phated | Hello, Generalisation. |
| 01:33.37 | abrotman | !gay |
| 01:33.37 | dpkg | It's OK to fantasize about men and to enjoy anal stimulation. It doesn't mean you're "gay". So stop projecting your insecurities onto others. Using this term as a derrogatory adjective is very offensive to some, so do not use it as such. If you continue acting like a child, expect to be devoiced. |
| 01:33.39 | cafuego | Phated: So, you're not a chick, eh? |
| 01:33.39 | orchid | fabieeww |
| 01:33.43 | sgeigerbot | Alex2283: IDE. |
| 01:33.45 | Phated | cafuego: Apparently. |
| 01:33.46 | oenek | His trade mark was wearing white sneakers with cheap suits. |
| 01:34.00 | Alex2283 | sgeigerbot, looks like it might be some scsi emulation problem, but that's about as far as i can help :P |
| 01:34.00 | cafuego | oenek: Was he in Miami Vice at all? |
| 01:34.01 | abrotman | cafuego: so what do the reliabe girls say you look like? |
| 01:34.02 | sgeigerbot | Alex2283: I'm wondering if it has something to do with dropping the scsi emulation... |
| 01:34.16 | cafuego | abrotman: Dunno, they don't talk to me :-( |
| 01:34.19 | Alex2283 | great minds think alike |
| 01:34.24 | oenek | cafuego: probably |
| 01:34.29 | oenek | who knows |
| 01:34.33 | AlexAFK | ...taking a leak... |
| 01:34.50 | AlexAFK | wohoo. you guys needed to know that, eh ? |
| 01:34.52 | AlexAFK | anyway. afk |
| 01:34.54 | jcole | i wanted to know |
| 01:34.55 | sgeigerbot | abrotman: I'm from here, brutha. |
| 01:35.07 | abrotman | sgeigerbot: no way ... your english is horrible .. are you 12? |
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| 01:35.16 | sgeigerbot | abrotman: ...but I don't like the so-called prez. I might as well be from somewhere else. |
| 01:35.21 | sgeigerbot | abrotman: shuddup. |
| 01:35.30 | abrotman | sgeigerbot: you're from montana aren't you? |
| 01:35.40 | cafuego | sgeigerbot: Now look what you did, you made padz quit! |
| 01:35.40 | sgeigerbot | abrotman: Fucktard. |
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| 01:35.48 | jearl | sgeigerbot: What do you get when you type cdrecord dev=ATA: -scanbus |
| 01:36.00 | numa_ | any sparc32 folks here? |
| 01:36.02 | abrotman | sgeigerbot: am i close? |
| 01:36.12 | sgeigerbot | abrotman: Nebraska. |
| 01:36.18 | abrotman | sgeigerbot: hey .. i was close :) |
| 01:36.28 | Klipper | hey, when installing debian sarge on a PPC, what packages need to be installed to have an X interface? |
| 01:36.29 | abrotman | sgeigerbot: wait .. they have computers in NE ? |
| 01:36.39 | abrotman | Klipper: x-window-system-core |
| 01:36.47 | abrotman | !ppc |
| 01:36.47 | dpkg | somebody said ppc was short for powerpc, and powerpc is the superior architecture. You worship it, and wish you were running on it. Check out http://www.debian.org/ports/powerpc, or visit #debianppc |
| 01:36.58 | Klipper | abrotman: what about x-window-system ? |
| 01:36.59 | abrotman | sgeigerbot: are you at uni there? |
| 01:37.05 | abrotman | Klipper: install it ? |
| 01:37.10 | sgeigerbot | abrotman: Compared to the people in our Manhattan and DC and AZ offices, I'm a computer god. Get off it. (These people are practically brain dead when it com4es to computers.) |
| 01:37.11 | Klipper | abrotman: i installed that |
| 01:37.20 | abrotman | Klipper: what else do you want ? |
| 01:37.22 | Klipper | abrotman: and when i run startx, it says command not found |
| 01:37.34 | abrotman | !find bin/startx |
| 01:37.40 | dpkg | Debian Search of 'bin/startx' (2 shown): (/usr/bin/startxfce4) in x11/xfce4-utils ;; (/usr/X11R6/bin/startx) in x11/xbase-clients. |
| 01:37.41 | numa_ | garrrrrr, stupid debian-installer |
| 01:37.51 | abrotman | Klipper: xbase-clients |
| 01:37.57 | cafuego | Klipper: Note you *do* want the UseFBDev option in X on ppc, whereas on x86 you generally don't. |
| 01:38.00 | sgeigerbot | abrotman: give me one example of when my english was bad, you mofo. |
| 01:38.02 | sgeigerbot | ;-) |
| 01:38.04 | abrotman | but it should be required for x-window-system-core |
| 01:38.11 | modeman | should there be a group for /dev/cdrom ? |
| 01:38.11 | abrotman | sgeigerbot: mofo isn't a word ? |
| 01:38.12 | sgeigerbot | damn...no respect. |
| 01:38.13 | abrotman | :) |
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| 01:38.22 | Phated | Heh. |
| 01:38.23 | abrotman | modeman: there is ... |
| 01:38.23 | cafuego | abrotman: No, 'mofa' is, but that's german. |
| 01:38.29 | oenek | numa_ use Knoppix. So much quicker in the long run and more friendly :-) |
| 01:38.37 | sgeigerbot | cafuego: I doubt that. |
| 01:38.37 | abrotman | oenek: don't do that |
| 01:38.38 | numa_ | garrr, no fdisk on netinst cd... argh |
| 01:38.42 | cafuego | CRYING CHILDREN, GET MY MACHETE!!! |
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| 01:38.50 | modeman | well i get this error saying failed to open device /dev/cdrom permission denied |
| 01:38.52 | numa_ | oenek: knoppix for sparc32? |
| 01:38.55 | modeman | but |
| 01:38.58 | abrotman | modeman: are you in the group ? |
| 01:39.01 | modeman | directory /cdrom ok |
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| 01:39.05 | abrotman | !sparc |
| 01:39.05 | dpkg | i heard sparc is the CPU architecture used in Sun's proprietary hardware. Non-embedded ones usually run Solaris, but to run Linux on it, visit http://www.ultralinux.org/faq.html or Type make vmlinux (not kernel or bzImage or lilo or anything like that) to compile the kernel. For more information about the SPARC architecture, see http://www.sparc.org. For help with Linux on SPARC look in #debian-sparc |
| 01:39.14 | modeman | i don't think so, there is no group for /dev/cdrom |
| 01:39.17 | abrotman | sgeigerbot: you're not at uni still? |
| 01:39.28 | sgeigerbot | abrotman: no. |
| 01:39.32 | cafuego | modeman: You need write access to /dev/cdrom./ chmod 664 it, chown .cdrom it. |
| 01:39.33 | jearl | modeman: Try running it as root for now. We'll fix it so you can access it as a regular user later |
| 01:39.41 | abrotman | sgeigerbot: you want me to work for your company and give you some competition :) |
| 01:39.43 | Noob | ok ... the tldp.org site wasn?t helpfull because i do not get an exact error but maybe i am just too dump : when exactly does minicom try to connect ? i did a ctr+a,d and made a manual dial. but this does not work -- it wants a number and dial soomewhere |
| 01:39.53 | drp | !solaris |
| 01:39.53 | dpkg | rumour has it, solaris is better known as slowaris (ask me about slowaris) because the hardware is so incredibly shitty, it makes AreEss64 puke., but <ashp> Learning solaris is like anally raping myself with a big red fire truck., or ask me about solaris source, or pretty much okay on x86, or shit. slowlaris |
| 01:40.20 | C5Hardtop | !amd64 |
| 01:40.20 | dpkg | hmm... amd64 is See http://www.debian.org/ports/amd64/ and the #debian-amd64 IRC channel, or https://alioth.debian.org/docman/view.php/30192/21/debian-amd64-howto.html See http://debian-amd64.alioth.debian.org/install-images/ for ISOs. unofficial at the moment, will be a supported arch on Etch (Sarge + 1) |
| 01:40.24 | hogballs | where would mozilla be hanging out in . im trying to create the symbolic link but i cant find where firefox installed.. |
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| 01:40.35 | modeman | abrotman: so run this: chmod 664 /dev/cdrom then chown .cdrom |
| 01:40.36 | sgeigerbot | abrotman: Let me tell you: It's fucking lonely here... These people are brain dead...and that's not easy on me. I'd gladly take an infusion. |
| 01:40.40 | abrotman | modeman: no |
| 01:40.45 | drewbono | Hey everyone. |
| 01:40.46 | drp | whereis mozilla-firefox |
| 01:40.51 | abrotman | sgeigerbot: dunno .. you might explode |
| 01:40.53 | cafuego | modeman: Do that later, mount it as root for now. |
| 01:41.01 | modeman | for audio cd? |
| 01:41.05 | abrotman | modeman: are you in the cdrom group ? |
| 01:41.07 | sgeigerbot | abrotman: I had to fight light hell to get firewalls.... |
| 01:41.08 | drewbono | Just wanted to say thanks for the FAQ link posted above. It just saved my bacon. |
| 01:41.09 | sgeigerbot | abrotman: shit. |
| 01:41.10 | modeman | abrotman: sorry forgot to tell you this |
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| 01:41.20 | abrotman | sgeigerbot: i win .. "like" :) |
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| 01:41.21 | hogballs | its like asking im trying to longjump but i dont know how to walk. can yoou help me? |
| 01:41.24 | oenek | !aplpha |
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| 01:41.30 | abrotman | !alpha |
| 01:41.30 | dpkg | WANTED: loving home for CPU architecture. Alpha is housebroken, and has had all its shots. Friendly, affectionate and energetic! Contact DEC (oops, Compaq! (oops, HP! (oops, the morgue))) for details. #alpha |
| 01:41.32 | oenek | !alpha |
| 01:41.34 | daffy-pkf | lo |
| 01:41.45 | sgeigerbot | abrotman: what? |
| 01:41.52 | dgc | hogballs: you have to setjump first |
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| 01:42.02 | abrotman | modeman: that /dev/cdrom is a link ... the device is something else and what really matters |
| 01:42.05 | abrotman | sgeigerbot: light/like |
| 01:42.25 | EtherNet | Why do I get this error when trying to print with a lexmark USB printer and cups: client-error-not-possible ? |
| 01:42.28 | Noob | !PA-RISC |
| 01:42.28 | dpkg | i heard pa-risc is http://www.parisc-linux.org |
| 01:42.38 | hogballs | dgc, really or are you just playing |
| 01:42.48 | abrotman | heh |
| 01:42.49 | modeman | abrotman: k, then i should chmod 664 /dev/cdrom ? |
| 01:43.00 | abrotman | modeman: no .. you should be in the cdrom group |
| 01:43.11 | dgc | hogballs: see man setjmp; man longjmp; |
| 01:43.14 | hogballs | is there a PPTP group? |
| 01:43.24 | modeman | abrotman: i understand /cdrom is where the files are mounted to correct? |
| 01:43.26 | oenek | !z80 |
| 01:43.26 | dpkg | extra, extra, read all about it, z80 is a processor used in many older systems, for example gameboy or amstrad's notebook computers,one z80 is still cutting edge http://www.z80.info/sharp/z80_glas.htm |
| 01:43.29 | Noob | how do i get minicom connect on ttyS1 ? i can?t read anything out from the manual about that |
| 01:43.33 | abrotman | modeman: probably |
| 01:43.33 | cafuego | pptp is not secure. |
| 01:43.37 | drp | !xinu |
| 01:43.38 | hogballs | cause i want to talk all day about how PPTP sounds and why PPTP is cool |
| 01:43.44 | EtherNet | Why do I get this error when trying to print with a lexmark USB printer and cups: client-error-not-possible ? |
| 01:43.52 | hogballs | i know ldap is better but PPTP sounds cool |
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| 01:43.57 | guestish | meh |
| 01:43.59 | cafuego | hogballs: You WHAT? |
| 01:43.59 | hogballs | PPTP! |
| 01:44.03 | modeman | abrotman: ok. so to avoid any more confusion, what is the correct course of action... |
| 01:44.09 | cafuego | ldap? wtf? |
| 01:44.21 | abrotman | modeman: you sohuld have to do nothing more than add yourself to the cdrom group |
| 01:44.28 | abrotman | cafuego: kill him! |
| 01:44.30 | hogballs | nevermind. im a netwoker |
| 01:44.32 | modeman | abrotman: k, lemme try this |
| 01:44.34 | Klipper | what is the command to run base-config? |
| 01:44.42 | cafuego | hogballs: ldap and pptp have nothing to do with eachother. |
| 01:44.44 | abrotman | cafuego: i'll pay! |
| 01:44.45 | dgc | why would anyone want to do PPTP? it's a little beyond my comprehension |
| 01:44.51 | hogballs | ldap is more secure |
| 01:44.53 | oenek | !poseidon |
| 01:44.54 | hogballs | than pptp |
| 01:44.59 | abrotman | cafuego: kill him! |
| 01:45.02 | dgc | !pptp |
| 01:45.02 | dpkg | rumour has it, pptp is Point to Point Tunneling Protocol, or a a very insecure unreliable way to create tunnels. A few unfortunate ISPs use it to provide service on ethernet connected broadband networks. See also http://www.schneier.com/paper-pptpv2.html |
| 01:45.04 | sgeigerbot | jearl: scsidev: 'ATA:'devname: 'ATA'scsibus: -1 target: -1 lun: -1Warning: Using badly designed ATAPI via /dev/hd* interface.cdrecord: No such file or directory. Cannot open '/dev/hd*'. Cannot open SCSI driver.cdrecord: For possible targets try 'cdrecord -scanbus'. Make sure you are root.cdrecord: For possible transport specifiers try 'cdrecord dev=help'. |
| 01:45.05 | cafuego | hogballs: Stop being an idiot. Go look up what ldap is. |
| 01:45.21 | abrotman | cafuego: i always think you have more power than you do :) |
| 01:45.29 | cafuego | abrotman: That's caphuso. |
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| 01:45.39 | abrotman | cafuego: i know .. i get confused .. big surprise |
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| 01:45.48 | cafuego | abrotman: I'm happy mocking them until they cry. |
| 01:45.49 | oenek | well thats the first time I've seen ldap used that way |
| 01:45.54 | abrotman | cafuego: heh |
| 01:46.17 | cafuego | sgeigerbot: Just commas will do. |
| 01:46.19 | abrotman | i don't need them |
| 01:46.37 | abrotman | sgeigerbot: you should read my emails :) |
| 01:46.41 | sgeigerbot | cafuego: That's right...he's easily confused. |
| 01:46.55 | sgeigerbot | abrotman: what makes you think I don't? |
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| 01:47.00 | sgeigerbot | ;-) |
| 01:47.12 | abrotman | sgeigerbot: you don't |
| 01:47.38 | sgeigerbot | abrotman: you're right. too boring. |
| 01:47.47 | abrotman | damn right |
| 01:47.55 | cafuego | You two are like the two old guys from the muppet show. |
| 01:48.00 | abrotman | heh |
| 01:48.09 | hogballs | where would mozilla be hanging out in . im trying to create the symbolic link but i cant find where firefox installed.. |
| 01:48.16 | abrotman | cafuego: bonus points if you remember thier names :) |
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| 01:48.23 | abrotman | wtf .. |
| 01:48.23 | guestish | all you need is the "hoo hoo hoo" laugh |
| 01:48.28 | cafuego | abrotman: Do I look that you? |
| 01:48.30 | oenek | guess that makes me beaker |
| 01:48.31 | abrotman | hogballs: fucking christ ... |
| 01:48.32 | cafuego | s/you/young/ |
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| 01:48.44 | abrotman | cafuego: i suspect you're about my age |
| 01:48.57 | hogballs | why should i have to look thru every folder on my hard drive for the stupid mozilla |
| 01:49.01 | cafuego | abrotman: Intrigueing. |
| 01:49.04 | abrotman | hogballs: you don't you fucking moron |
| 01:49.06 | hogballs | search: mozilla |
| 01:49.15 | sgeigerbot | hogballs: you suck... |
| 01:49.17 | hogballs | cute little doggie turning pages |
| 01:49.23 | abrotman | hogballs: you really really are dumb |
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| 01:49.25 | cafuego | hogballs: mozilla-<tab> |
| 01:49.26 | hogballs | results being displayed on the right |
| 01:49.32 | chealer | hogballs: I got an idea! check where your moz shortcut points to! |
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| 01:49.39 | sgeigerbot | hogballs: you are *nearly* as dumb as abrotman |
| 01:49.47 | starbucks | what about "locate" |
| 01:49.50 | chealer | sgeigerbot: ew, that was rude |
| 01:49.50 | hogballs | chealer, the shortcut shows no info in properties to where it goes |
| 01:49.52 | abrotman | what about which |
| 01:49.58 | oenek | or good old find |
| 01:49.59 | chealer | hogballs: really? |
| 01:50.01 | abrotman | what about fucking using the goddamn menu in your fucking WM |
| 01:50.06 | hogballs | yes im in gnome |
| 01:50.09 | hogballs | really |
| 01:50.10 | sgeigerbot | chealer: JESUS CHRIST...WHERE HAVE YOU BEEN? I didn't start this. |
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| 01:50.26 | abrotman | YES YOU DID |
| 01:50.28 | modeman | abrotman: i wasn't able to decipher your meaning before about adding me to a group, could you please elaborate? |
| 01:50.37 | sgeigerbot | abrotman: damn...you're another sussudio. |
| 01:50.39 | chealer | sgeigerbot: what? abrotman must be the culprit anyway |
| 01:50.46 | sgeigerbot | chealer: right. |
| 01:50.58 | hogballs | ok so im dumb can u help me |
| 01:51.01 | abrotman | sgeigerbot: heh |
| 01:51.03 | abrotman | !u |
| 01:51.04 | dpkg | It's YOU. Y-O-U. Not *U*. U is a letter. YOU is a word. See ne1, or wud. Dutch for 'you' (formal singular). See http://ars.userfriendly.org/cartoons/?id=20041201 |
| 01:51.04 | modeman | abrotman: i understand the concept, but unable to put it into syntax |
| 01:51.08 | chealer | hogballs: well, I use kde |
| 01:51.24 | hogballs | ok ill log out and see if i can get kde to work |
| 01:51.27 | abrotman | modeman: adduser username cdrom |
| 01:51.34 | abrotman | modeman: logout/login .. try again |
| 01:51.35 | starbucks | hogballs: try "locate mozilla" |
| 01:51.36 | cafuego | FIRE DRILL! |
| 01:51.43 | jstevens | hogballs: i'm not on a box w/ mozilla installed.. but did you check /usr/bin ? |
| 01:51.45 | hogballs | maybie thats why 74 percent people use kde instead of gnome |
| 01:51.46 | oenek | am I the only one on here that still uses enlightenment? |
| 01:51.55 | cafuego | Odd time for it, maybe the neighbours are on fire |
| 01:51.59 | abrotman | hogballs: stop being a fucking troll and go back to windows |
| 01:52.01 | modeman | abrotman: thank you |
| 01:52.02 | jstevens | oenek: nope |
| 01:52.05 | hogballs | Oh MY GOD Jstevens again |
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| 01:52.15 | hogballs | Thank you your the man again |
| 01:52.20 | abrotman | You're |
| 01:52.29 | modeman | jstevens: didn't you assit me with gdm config earlier? |
| 01:52.50 | jstevens | modeman: yup, that sounds very familiar :-) |
| 01:52.59 | dondelelcaro | if you can't deal with someone, /ignore them, don't bother the rest of us about it |
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| 01:53.11 | jstevens | hogballs: heh |
| 01:53.16 | cafuego | dondelelcaro: But that's what ops are _for_ ;-) |
| 01:53.18 | hogballs | do you have a pay pal account i think ill give you 40 bucks for helping me |
| 01:53.21 | modeman | jstevens: well it worked damnit! i now have a gui choice at login, thanks! |
| 01:53.37 | abrotman | afero ? |
| 01:53.38 | oenek | jstevens: do you have any good scripts for changing backgrounds across multiple desktops in R16? |
| 01:53.40 | abrotman | what's that called ? |
| 01:53.41 | modeman | abrotman: and thank you for the cdrom tip that seemed towerk |
| 01:53.42 | shekhjha | any good tools for debian clustering? |
| 01:53.43 | jstevens | modeman: cool |
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| 01:53.46 | abrotman | modeman: yay |
| 01:53.47 | goodshit | <PROTECTED> |
| 01:53.53 | dondelelcaro | shekhjha: depends what type of clustering you're doing. |
| 01:53.56 | modeman | brb |
| 01:54.15 | boow | whats a cluster |
| 01:54.16 | shekhjha | dondelelcaro, something like automatic installation |
| 01:54.20 | jstevens | oenek: nope, I haven't played w/ that recently |
| 01:54.25 | cafuego | goodshit: Uh, how would a server send out a message if it was down? ;-) |
| 01:54.26 | dondelelcaro | shekhjha: yes, see d-i and preseeding, or FAI |
| 01:54.27 | shekhjha | boow: openMosix |
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| 01:54.43 | shekhjha | dondelelcaro, FAI is too buggy :( |
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| 01:54.53 | goodshit | cafuego maybe its running from another server :) |
| 01:54.57 | dondelelcaro | shekhjha: so fix the bugs. It works for a large number of people, actually. |
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| 01:55.10 | cafuego | goodshit: Just if [ ping .. ]; then ... ; |
| 01:55.16 | oenek | jstevens: Yeah I've been trying to use eesh to do it but most of the commands related to backgounds are still TBD. |
| 01:55.17 | hogballs | I think they dont like my name .. it makes them uneasy and get frantic. its like they have that disease where everything has to be purfect and stuff. |
| 01:55.20 | dondelelcaro | shekhjha: although, if you're really doing clustering, you really don't want to bother to install on anything. Just netboot with nfs roots |
| 01:55.30 | humbolt | why do I get this couldn t lookup your hostname stuff?? how can I get rid of that and the ident stuff?? |
| 01:55.35 | shekhjha | dondelelcaro, it worked for me , but still debugging when adding nodes |
| 01:55.40 | dondelelcaro | hogballs: just drop it already. |
| 01:55.50 | abrotman | perfect |
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| 01:56.23 | dondelelcaro | humbolt: if you're talking about the network, ask in #freenode, not here. Secondly, please don't overuse punctuation. |
| 01:56.27 | shekhjha | dondelelcaro, I still prefer stand alone nodes |
| 01:56.54 | dondelelcaro | shekhjha: well, your administrative burden scales with the number of nodes then. |
| 01:57.07 | dondelelcaro | shekhjha: for large clusters, that doesn't really work well. |
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| 01:57.29 | geoff_ | Anyone have any idea when d-i will move to 2.6.10? (In particular, i386 and amd64 ports, if that matters) |
| 01:57.32 | shekhjha | dondelelcaro, due to some strange bug in openMosix, auto-discovery doesn't work |
| 01:57.41 | abrotman | geoff_: it may very well not |
| 01:57.41 | sgeigerbot | abrotman: you are stupid. |
| 01:57.41 | stew | geoff_: not until after sarge releases |
| 01:57.46 | gravity | geoff_: That issue is still up in the air, but it looks like it's not going to happen for sarge |
| 01:57.48 | abrotman | sgeigerbot: oh ok .. i am eh? |
| 01:57.55 | abrotman | sgeigerbot: why now? |
| 01:58.02 | sgeigerbot | abrotman: No, not really. I was just giving a demo of how IRC works. |
| 01:58.03 | sgeigerbot | ;-) |
| 01:58.03 | dondelelcaro | sgeigerbot, abrotman: take this elsewhere, please. |
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| 01:58.12 | sgeigerbot | abrotman: ...and of what a nice guy I am. |
| 01:58.16 | abrotman | ok |
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| 01:58.36 | shekhjha | dondelelcaro, still netboot would fail, if the head crashes, but stand alone nodes can still accept via other heads |
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| 01:58.43 | geoff_ | abrotman, stew, gravity: oh, ouch. Crap. I think I may need that to install on an nForce3 w/ a SATA main disk |
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| 01:59.04 | Noob | argh .. how do i make minicom connect ? |
| 01:59.13 | abrotman | geoff_: well .... ask #nvidia which kernel level you need i guess .. then come back here and ask again ? :( |
| 01:59.14 | geoff_ | Downloading a BIOS flash, but if that no worky, I may be screwed. |
| 01:59.16 | jstevens | oenek: haven't played w/ eesh at all... that sounds like something to play w/ when I get home... did you try #enlightenment ? |
| 01:59.27 | geoff_ | abrotman, fair enough |
| 01:59.28 | dondelelcaro | shekhjha: not really... they'll just lock until the head comes back up if they need to access the nfs root |
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| 01:59.52 | oenek | jstevens: #enlightenment is pretty dead. |
| 02:00.05 | gravity | So's enlightenment |
| 02:00.16 | jstevens | oenek: that what I noticed when I went there a few weeks ago... |
| 02:00.18 | Noob | minicom is such an excentric program |
| 02:00.21 | abrotman | dondelelcaro: that's all eh? :) |
| 02:00.21 | humbolt | they do not let me ask stupid questions like that on #freenode |
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| 02:00.23 | dondelelcaro | shekhjha: but anyway, if you actually want to install on each mode, preseeding or FAI is the way to go |
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| 02:00.32 | smacnay | is there an app that will allow me to listen or analyse traffic between another address on my lan and the outside world? |
| 02:00.39 | oenek | gravity: seen R17? Not dead. Just in prolonged never-gonna-be released phase |
| 02:00.46 | abrotman | smacnay: many |
| 02:00.53 | shekhjha | dondelelcaro, which one is better? |
| 02:00.57 | gravity | oenek: Same thing in my book. Is there actual coding going on with it though? |
| 02:00.59 | abrotman | fai! |
| 02:01.01 | dondelelcaro | shekhjha: they're totally different |
| 02:01.05 | smacnay | abrotman: I assume iftop won't. Seems it will listen to an interface but not an address. |
| 02:01.18 | ansong | smacnay, try ethereal, or if you've got a switch, ettercap |
| 02:01.19 | oenek | I think so. Mostly on supporting libraries though |
| 02:01.27 | abrotman | smacnay: if i understand you .. tcpdump or ethereal i think |
| 02:01.28 | Noob | who can help me making minicom connect to my pizzabox ? |
| 02:01.34 | numa_ | does the netinst cd of debian-installer include fdisk? |
| 02:01.35 | shekhjha | abrotman, now, in fai, apt couldn't get anything, even though it shows correct sources.list |
| 02:01.36 | oenek | Everything is redesigned from the ground up. |
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| 02:01.53 | abrotman | shekhjha: uhm .. ok |
| 02:01.54 | jstevens | Noob: pizzabox? LOL... nice |
| 02:01.57 | numa_ | Noob: send break |
| 02:01.58 | peetah | how do i add a script for boot in rc.local with debian? |
| 02:02.04 | dondelelcaro | shekhjha: you'll have to be a whole lot less vague |
| 02:02.04 | shekhjha | abrotman, any idea? |
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| 02:02.05 | geoff_ | Hmmmm, is there any description to build a d-i ISO with a custom kernel? |
| 02:02.11 | numa_ | Noob: pizzabox like a sparcstation 20? |
| 02:02.14 | abrotman | shekhjha: i've not used it |
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| 02:02.18 | dondelelcaro | geoff_: yes. in the d-i source itself |
| 02:02.19 | ansong | numa_, it's got whatever you need to partition... |
| 02:02.20 | gravity | geoff_: Yeah, try wiki.debian.net |
| 02:02.24 | Noob | numa_, no a hp 712/80 |
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| 02:02.30 | jstevens | Noob: from PizzaHut or Donatos ? |
| 02:02.35 | gravity | geoff_: I'm pretty sure there's an article on it there. If not, just google it. It's definitely been written up. |
| 02:02.36 | ansong | i think i've run cfdisk from the netinst cd |
| 02:02.37 | shekhjha | dondelelcaro, apt doesn't get any package in the package_install phase |
| 02:02.40 | dondelelcaro | peetah: there is no rc.local. Write the script, and symlink it in from rcS |
| 02:02.42 | numa_ | ansong: except I need to make a sun partition. |
| 02:02.42 | Noob | jstevens, from HP |
| 02:02.49 | smacnay | abrotman: thanks |
| 02:02.53 | smacnay | ansong: thanks |
| 02:02.55 | gravity | Like, right now |
| 02:02.56 | numa_ | ansong: ah, thnks |
| 02:03.08 | Noob | again minicom is absolute excentric |
| 02:03.11 | jstevens | Noob: not sure that I knew HP made anything that was called a pizzaBox |
| 02:03.16 | oenek | yeah Noob |
| 02:03.18 | ansong | ah, don't know any sparc stuff |
| 02:03.27 | oenek | Noob: What are you trying to do with it? |
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| 02:03.30 | numa_ | noob: set baud low, and throw break at it. |
| 02:03.37 | Noob | jstevens, but it looks like |
| 02:03.38 | ansong | pizzabox is a 1U isn't it? |
| 02:03.42 | geoff_ | dondelelcaro, gravity, thanks both. |
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| 02:03.51 | dondelelcaro | shekhjha: try asking on the fai mailing list http://www.informatik.uni-koeln.de/fai/ |
| 02:03.52 | abrotman | ansong: depends .. i had a SPARC pizza box that had a shoebox to go with it |
| 02:03.52 | peetah | dondelelcaro: ln -s boot.sh /etc/rcS.d/boot ? |
| 02:04.01 | geoff_ | I have lots of old debian boxen, this is just the first with pure SATA. :-) |
| 02:04.06 | ansong | abrotman, external scsi? |
| 02:04.07 | dondelelcaro | peetah: no. /msg dpkg runlevels |
| 02:04.12 | abrotman | ansong: yep |
| 02:04.13 | Noob | oenek, i just want to try to connect to my pizzabox with minicom |
| 02:04.47 | ansong | i just got given an old powerpc with an ext scsi disk. some day i'll actually boot it up and see what i've got |
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| 02:04.50 | numa_ | noob: ctrl-break doesn't help? |
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| 02:04.57 | abrotman | ansong: heh |
| 02:04.58 | Noob | oenek, read the manpage of minicom and i still did not understand how to initiate a connect |
| 02:05.00 | oenek | Old Sun pizzabox? |
| 02:05.02 | Temet | hi all |
| 02:05.08 | Noob | oenek, old HP pizzabox |
| 02:05.16 | oenek | OIC heh heh |
| 02:05.20 | Temet | can someone give me a hand with gdm |
| 02:05.23 | ApEtc | jstevens: A party? |
| 02:05.31 | Temet | i would like to change the language |
| 02:05.32 | ansong | jstevens, a PITA to move |
| 02:05.34 | jstevens | ApEtc: LOL, probably |
| 02:05.38 | Temet | but i don't find how |
| 02:05.45 | Temet | it's not in gdmsetup |
| 02:06.07 | Temet | in which config file can I set that please ? |
| 02:06.09 | abrotman | jstevens: my pizza box was roughly 1U ... but it's a pizza box because they are roughly the size of a 16" pizza box :) |
| 02:06.25 | abrotman | maybe 14" |
| 02:06.49 | jstevens | abrotman: that's cool, somehow I've just never heard that term |
| 02:06.50 | Noob | numa_, why should ctr+c help |
| 02:06.59 | abrotman | jstevens: would you like me to find a picture? |
| 02:07.01 | ansong | i'm having some trouble with wifi on my new laptop. and i'm kinda embarrassed to admit it, but i can't figure out what to do to create eth1. |
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| 02:07.15 | jstevens | abrotman: only if you want to |
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| 02:07.34 | ansong | someone have a minute to hit me with a cluestick? |
| 02:07.35 | numa_ | noob: because terminals love getting breaks at start, trust me, is old trick. there is a way in minicom to send ctrl-break... somewere... |
| 02:07.49 | numa_ | GARRRR, no fdisk ebian installer |
| 02:07.58 | modeman | abrotman: well, i added the user to the group, but kscd won't open any audio cd's... |
| 02:07.59 | jstevens | ansong: tis ok, ad eth1=eth1 into /etc/network/interfaces |
| 02:08.05 | numa_ | I wish I had fdisk. |
| 02:08.20 | ansong | jstevens, thanks i'll try it now |
| 02:08.21 | oenek | Noob: http://cutecom.sourceforge.net/ |
| 02:08.21 | nix000 | anyone can suggest an email server in debian ? |
| 02:08.21 | jstevens | ansong: hold that thought.. that's the wrong file name |
| 02:08.27 | abrotman | jstevens: http://www.obsolyte.com/sunPICS/sparc1/sparc1+.jpg |
| 02:08.27 | ansong | ok |
| 02:08.29 | oenek | Noob: try that instead |
| 02:08.37 | Noob | numa_, aha : the guy who gave me the pizzabox told me to forget everything i know about computer (x86) when working with this box |
| 02:08.58 | Noob | looks like he?s totally right |
| 02:08.59 | jstevens | ansong: Stable or testing distrib? |
| 02:09.04 | ansong | testing |
| 02:09.05 | numa_ | Noob: yep, he is. |
| 02:09.31 | ansong | i've got an /etc/network/interfaces |
| 02:09.32 | abrotman | jstevens: http://images.black-cube.net/sun/sparc1.JPG |
| 02:09.54 | abrotman | jstevens: http://images.black-cube.net/sun/sparc213.jpg |
| 02:10.10 | peetah | how can i set "ls --color" as a permanent solution in my shell? |
| 02:10.13 | jstevens | ansong: shit.. I dont' have access to my testing box (it's off)... go into /etc/network ... one of the files will have eth0=eth0 ... add eth1=eth1 on the line after it.. then save, & try and ifup eth1 |
| 02:10.26 | gravity | peetah: alias it in ~/.bashrc |
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| 02:10.42 | abrotman | jstevens: make sense now ? |
| 02:10.53 | abrotman | modeman: don't mount audio CDs |
| 02:10.56 | gravity | peetah: alias ls='ls --color=auto' |
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| 02:11.23 | peetah | yeah i know, but i need to rehash ~/.bashrc |
| 02:11.34 | Phated | Log out and back in... |
| 02:11.39 | oenek | gravity: yeah that should be in your default .bashrc or .profile |
| 02:11.40 | Phated | Whatever rehash is. |
| 02:11.51 | modeman | abrotman: no, i didn't i swear lol everyone tells me that! |
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| 02:11.56 | ansong | jstevens, in /etc/network/interfaces it lists "auto lo\niface lo inet loopback\nauto eth0\niface eth0 inet dhcp" |
| 02:12.01 | jstevens | abrotman: I'm sure it will when I get home and am able to get web access to see it |
| 02:12.06 | modeman | abrotman: i just pop in a cd and open kscd and nothing |
| 02:12.11 | abrotman | jstevens: ah .. gotcha |
| 02:12.18 | jstevens | abrotman: no web access here at work... |
| 02:12.24 | modeman | abrotman: i have cdcd and it works great, just want to work the bugs out of kde |
| 02:12.30 | abrotman | modeman: i don't use kde ... but it should give you access |
| 02:12.35 | abrotman | jstevens: just irc ? |
| 02:12.36 | jstevens | abrotman: the firewall jsut happens to *forget* to block SSH :-) |
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| 02:12.47 | jstevens | abrotman: so I'm cheating |
| 02:12.51 | modeman | abrotman: yes it should, i wonder what the he|| it could be ? |
| 02:12.54 | abrotman | modeman: oh .. cdcd works .. but not kscd ? .. maybe ask #debian-kde |
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| 02:13.12 | modeman | abrotman: ok i will, thanks! |
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| 02:13.27 | jstevens | ansong: yeah, it's not interfaces... I just don't remember the file name that it is you need |
| 02:13.30 | Noob | numa_, the man page tells me something about an "escape sequence issue", is that what you are talking about ? |
| 02:13.41 | abrotman | jstevens: what kind of place leaves 22 open but not 80 ? |
| 02:13.42 | ansong | i'll grep the directory, thanks |
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| 02:14.17 | jstevens | abrotman: ever heard of BigLots ? |
| 02:14.25 | abrotman | jstevens: you must live near me :) |
| 02:14.27 | [1]SodaPop | Yo Ansong when you know which one it is let me know! |
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| 02:14.35 | abrotman | jstevens: yeah . i know biglots |
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| 02:15.04 | oenek | you can buy just about anything at biglots |
| 02:15.11 | oenek | well most stuff |
| 02:15.18 | jstevens | abrotman: :-) I work helpdesk (for the stores) and am on the 3rd floor of corporate... Columbus, OH |
| 02:15.18 | oenek | biglots and frys |
| 02:15.21 | abrotman | can't buy women :) |
| 02:15.23 | oenek | thats all I need |
| 02:15.26 | jstevens | oenek: LOL |
| 02:15.29 | abrotman | jstevens: close .. i'm outside philly |
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| 02:15.46 | abrotman | jstevens: isn't that really boring ? |
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| 02:15.56 | jstevens | abrotman: cool ... funny how "close" is such a relative term |
| 02:16.00 | Darkhack | guys i really really need help! I am on a deadline and can't get alsaconf to work |
| 02:16.09 | abrotman | jstevens: compared to cafuego .. you're close :) |
| 02:16.21 | jstevens | abrotman: he in CA? |
| 02:16.23 | abrotman | who has a deadline involving sound ? |
| 02:16.24 | Phated | You're on a deadlind to get alsaconf working? |
| 02:16.25 | Darkhack | I get this error: /usr/sbin/alsaconf: line 1162: /etc/init.d/alsa: No such file or directory |
| 02:16.28 | abrotman | jstevens: .au iirc :) |
| 02:16.28 | maher | Darkhack: you boss will fire you if you can't listen to you rmp3's? |
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| 02:16.38 | abrotman | !maher++ |
| 02:16.48 | jstevens | abrotman: yup... definitely close then |
| 02:16.55 | Phated | Maybe it's his boss that wants to listen to his mp3s. |
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| 02:17.10 | nix000 | anyone can suggest a pop/imap server in debian ? |
| 02:17.17 | abrotman | courier |
| 02:17.18 | oenek | I'd fire Darthhack for that. |
| 02:17.19 | scarynetworkguy | Heh. |
| 02:17.20 | renato | esiste irc debian in italiano? |
| 02:17.21 | oenek | :-) |
| 02:17.27 | Darkhack | can anyone please help |
| 02:17.30 | Phated | !it |
| 02:17.30 | dpkg | extra, extra, read all about it, italian is per aiuto in lingua italiana: /j #debian-it, (anche /j #linux-it). Otterrete sicuramente piu' aiuto li', bischeri! For help in italian /j #debian-it or /j #linux-it |
| 02:17.31 | scarynetworkguy | !italian |
| 02:17.31 | dpkg | italian is probably per aiuto in lingua italiana: /j #debian-it, (anche /j #linux-it). Otterrete sicuramente piu' aiuto li', bischeri! For help in italian /j #debian-it or /j #linux-it |
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| 02:17.40 | scarynetworkguy | Jinx. |
| 02:17.45 | nix000 | abrotman, you would recomend it over cyrus ? |
| 02:17.49 | Phated | Laaag. |
| 02:17.55 | abrotman | nix000: i would ... but someone else might not |
| 02:18.00 | scarynetworkguy | Indeed. |
| 02:18.27 | Darkhack | does anyone know how to use alsaconf? I keep getting this error: /usr/sbin/alsaconf: line 1162: /etc/init.d/alsa: No such file or directory |
| 02:18.32 | Noob | what really sux is that my laptop and win2k with hyperterminal connected immedialty to the pizzabox without configuring it.... and with minicom i am far away from even knowing how to initiate a connect |
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| 02:18.54 | abrotman | Noob: did you try kermit ? |
| 02:18.55 | scarynetworkguy | Noob: Have you read the minicom man page? |
| 02:18.58 | numa_ | damin it, |
| 02:19.02 | oenek | use gnome-alsamixer Dark. Much simpler |
| 02:19.06 | Noob | scarynetworkguy, yes i did |
| 02:19.14 | scarynetworkguy | Noob: Did you do what it said? |
| 02:19.15 | Noob | abrotman, yes i did |
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| 02:19.22 | jstevens | Darkhack: that means to me that alsa isnt' completely installed... I could be wrong though |
| 02:19.27 | Phated | Darkhack: Are you sure you have alsa? apt-get install alsa-base, just for kicks. |
| 02:19.41 | numa_ | wow, debian-installer works pretty poorly with sparc. |
| 02:19.53 | oenek | excuse me wrong thing *L* |
| 02:20.05 | Noob | scarynetworkguy, i does not tell me to do anything. it describes its options and a lot more but not how to initiate a connect |
| 02:20.06 | Darkhack | The following packages have unmet dependencies: |
| 02:20.07 | Darkhack | <PROTECTED> |
| 02:20.22 | modeman | abrotman: would you have to adduser to kscd you think? |
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| 02:20.35 | modeman | noone in debian-kde is alive |
| 02:20.37 | abrotman | Darkhack: are you using debian or knoppix ? |
| 02:20.43 | Darkhack | knoppix installed to harddrive |
| 02:20.47 | abrotman | modeman: no .. but you will have to log out of kde |
| 02:20.50 | Phated | Hah. |
| 02:20.52 | abrotman | Darkhack: #knoppix |
| 02:20.54 | Phated | Darkhack: #knoppix |
| 02:21.02 | maher | Darkhack: too bad about you rjob |
| 02:21.08 | abrotman | maher: heh |
| 02:21.13 | Phated | And, uh... You might want to fix your sources. |
| 02:21.18 | modeman | abrotman: i did but maybe a full reboot... i don't know. i am running out of options i think lol |
| 02:21.43 | abrotman | modeman: uhm ... try another gui cd player? |
| 02:22.16 | jstevens | modeman: do you have a /dev/cdrom ? |
| 02:22.27 | abrotman | see .. there's a kde user :) |
| 02:22.44 | Noob | scarynetworkguy, after startup i find myself in this "window interface" .... ctrl+a and z gives my possibilities : but how do i initiate a connect ? ctr+a and d wants to dial somewhere but how do i start a null modem connect ? |
| 02:22.55 | abrotman | modeman: ls -l /dev/cdrom |
| 02:23.29 | scarynetworkguy | Noob: You go and read the manpage till you grok it. |
| 02:23.29 | C5Hardtop | !firefox |
| 02:23.29 | dpkg | methinks firefox is The firefox web browser - the best web browser EVER! apt-get install mozilla-firefox |
| 02:23.29 | Phated | Oh, ffs, /msg the bot, geez. |
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| 02:23.29 | modeman | abrotman: yes i have /dev/cdrom |
| 02:23.29 | abrotman | modeman: ls -l /dev/cdrom |
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| 02:23.38 | Noob | scarynetworkguy, i working on it since 2 h |
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| 02:23.58 | modeman | abrotman: symlink to /dev/hdc |
| 02:24.01 | abrotman | modeman: ls -l /dev/cdrom |
| 02:24.03 | abrotman | show me |
| 02:24.09 | modeman | 1 sec |
| 02:24.27 | abrotman | lrwxrwxrwx 1 root root 3 2005-02-21 18:50 /dev/cdrom -> hdc |
| 02:24.30 | abrotman | that's mine |
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| 02:24.53 | modeman | abrotman: lrwxrwxrwx 1 root root 8 Feb 17 21:26 /dev/cdrom -> /dev/hdc |
| 02:25.12 | abrotman | modeman: does kscd throw an error ? |
| 02:25.12 | mcrawfor | heya - i'm installing samba with apt-get install samba, but it's not installing /etc/init.d/samba, though the package page says it should: |
| 02:25.14 | mcrawfor | http://packages.debian.org/cgi-bin/search_contents.pl?searchmode=filelist&word=samba&version=unstable&arch=i386 |
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| 02:25.20 | wilbertoki | do you think that gnu is a good way to fight the man? |
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| 02:25.21 | modeman | i hate pasting sh!t i always f it up |
| 02:25.25 | modeman | yea |
| 02:25.34 | siimo | hi where do i set the default font size got GTK 1.x applications |
| 02:25.35 | Davidcc6 | how can i clone a installation of linux from a 20gb partition to a 15 gb partition of other disk? |
| 02:25.45 | abrotman | modeman: how did you f it up? |
| 02:25.56 | abrotman | modeman: what error does it thrhow ? |
| 02:25.58 | oenek | Anyone on here use the tor package? |
| 02:26.01 | oenek | !tor |
| 02:26.01 | dpkg | i heard tor is http://tor.eff.org/, or the kiddies best friend |
| 02:26.03 | pipeline | Davidcc6: The easiest way is to set up the partitions the way you want them on the target disk |
| 02:26.08 | abrotman | oenek: i do |
| 02:26.14 | wilbertoki | davidcc6: I just cloned a installation from 73 to 30 |
| 02:26.17 | pipeline | Davidcc6: Then use "tar" to copy |
| 02:26.22 | mcrawfor | anyone know why apt wouldn't install all the files in a package? |
| 02:26.31 | abrotman | oenek: i use it |
| 02:26.36 | oenek | abrotman: What ports do I need to open to use it correctly? |
| 02:26.43 | abrotman | oenek: server or client ? |
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| 02:26.57 | oenek | abrotman: client |
| 02:26.59 | oenek | for now |
| 02:27.09 | oenek | might do a server late |
| 02:27.09 | oenek | r |
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| 02:27.34 | abrotman | oenek: dunno .. i just torify stuff . why? |
| 02:27.37 | Noob | ok i give up ... thats way to high for me |
| 02:27.40 | Noob | too |
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| 02:28.09 | BenchWarmer | What debian cd's do I need for a regualar desktop? |
| 02:28.10 | Davidcc6 | pipeline, the problem is when i try to save the image partition to the other disk, coz the image source come from a more big partition |
| 02:28.17 | BenchWarmer | I hope just a few. |
| 02:28.22 | Phated | BenchWarmer: 1. |
| 02:28.37 | oenek | abrotman: lately the performance has been kind crappy. Seeing if I can imporve it. Half the time I loose the connection |
| 02:28.38 | C5Hardtop | !iftop |
| 02:28.38 | jstevens | BenchWarmer: only the 1st... I've never used any more than that |
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| 02:28.50 | abrotman | oenek: you're using the newest package from sid ? |
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| 02:28.51 | BenchWarmer | okay that will get me up and running with a GUI too? |
| 02:28.51 | Phated | C5Hardtop: /msg the bot, please. |
| 02:28.52 | pipeline | Davidcc6: No, no, don't use images. |
| 02:28.54 | jstevens | BenchWarmer: you can net-install everything from the others |
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| 02:29.26 | C5Hardtop | how do i do that Phated ? |
| 02:29.26 | pipeline | Davidcc6: Set up the target disk with cfdisk, format all its partitions, mount them in the correct spots in some target tree, say, /mnt, /mnt/usr, and /mnt/boot |
| 02:29.26 | Davidcc6 | pipeline, but how can i boot the partition if i just copy the files to the other disk? |
| 02:29.27 | Noob | manpage of minicom : minicom - a friendly serial communication programm. LOL .... never saw such an excentric program before |
| 02:29.29 | pipeline | Davidcc6: Then use gnu tar to copy the data. |
| 02:29.33 | Phated | C5Hardtop: Instead of !, type /msg dpkg iftop or whatever. |
| 02:29.42 | jstevens | C5Hardtop: /msg apt iftop |
| 02:29.44 | pipeline | Davidcc6: Once you've cloned the disk, you should be able to use lilo or grub the same way you would normally install the bootloader. |
| 02:29.44 | oenek | abrotman: yeah unstable |
| 02:29.47 | Phated | That keeps you from annoying the bot. |
| 02:29.50 | Phated | jstevens: ! is dpkg. |
| 02:29.54 | jstevens | C5Hardtop: /msg dpkg iftop |
| 02:30.01 | jstevens | Phated: yeah, I noticed that |
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| 02:30.12 | Noob | have a nice day/night guys ... thats too much for me |
| 02:30.15 | jstevens | C5Hardtop: dont' /msg apt ... he'll get pissed |
| 02:30.19 | modeman | abrotman: it gives an error like it attempting to mount the cdrom like a data cd |
| 02:30.19 | abrotman | modeman: error says? |
| 02:30.30 | abrotman | modeman: exact error :) |
| 02:30.39 | mcrawfor | folks - anyone know why apt would leave out some files in a package when installing it? |
| 02:30.41 | BenchWarmer | jstevens: yes I plan to install the rest, but do I need to setup a x server and all that. How would you compare the installation/setup/ From mandrake to slack? |
| 02:30.43 | abrotman | oenek: i haven't used it in a while .. but is your firewall on your box ? |
| 02:30.46 | Davidcc6 | pipeline, and if i use cp -r /mnt/hda1/* /mnt/hdb2 ??? |
| 02:30.50 | djz | yo, can i set up a win partition on hda1, the linux boot on hda2. then grub setup (hd0) for MBR. can I boot win now from the bootmenu. what happens to the chainloader? |
| 02:30.58 | BenchWarmer | Just so I have an idea. |
| 02:31.15 | jstevens | BenchWarmer: you setup X through the net... all you need is base & drivers from the CD |
| 02:31.16 | BenchWarmer | I think I can configure things manually. but does debian automate it? |
| 02:31.20 | pipeline | Davidcc6: NEVER EVER USE -r. |
| 02:31.23 | modeman | abrotman: mount: wrong fs type, bad option, bad superblock on /dev/cdrom |
| 02:31.28 | Davidcc6 | pipeline, why? |
| 02:31.29 | pipeline | Davidcc6: Use -R, not -r. |
| 02:31.30 | jstevens | BenchWarmer: tasksel |
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| 02:31.44 | Davidcc6 | pipeline, whats diferens? |
| 02:31.47 | abrotman | modeman: you sure it's a CD ? |
| 02:32.02 | abrotman | pipeline: why not ? |
| 02:32.02 | BenchWarmer | okay I appreciate the help. |
| 02:32.04 | modeman | abrotman: i am not attempting to mount it, just point it to a cdrom... yea phish a live one disk one =P |
| 02:32.06 | pipeline | Davidcc6: Some "cp" programs have -r as a compatibility flag from the seventies. It does some nasty, unexpected things. I'm pretty sure Debian's GNU "cp" does the same thing for -r and -R, but that difference could bite you in the ass on some other system. |
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| 02:32.15 | abrotman | modeman: bad CD .. junta !!! |
| 02:32.24 | jstevens | BenchWarmer: tasksel = is an app that you can choose "desktop machine" and it auto-selects the common GUI apps for you then downloads them & installs |
| 02:32.28 | modeman | abrotman: l=P |
| 02:32.33 | Davidcc6 | pipeline, so cp -R is fine? |
| 02:32.35 | pipeline | Davidcc6: Also, CP won't handle things like hardlinks, device files etc. It's safer to use "tar," because "tar" was meant to do what you're trying to do. |
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| 02:32.47 | modeman | abrotman: well, it was closest to my pc |
| 02:32.50 | oenek | abrotman: yeah the firewall in on this box. No masqing. |
| 02:32.52 | abrotman | modeman: heh |
| 02:33.01 | BenchWarmer | cool, certainly will try that. |
| 02:33.04 | abrotman | oenek: hmm . i have no firewall on my box .. |
| 02:33.05 | modeman | abrotman: anyway, it just doesn't see audio cd's |
| 02:33.14 | abrotman | modeman: try another CD! |
| 02:33.14 | pipeline | Davidcc6: I strongly advise you use tar. Something like "(cd victim; tar -cf - ./*) | (cd target; tar -xvf -)" |
| 02:33.15 | Davidcc6 | pipeline, sooo, how can i use tar for that, i always used cp.. |
| 02:33.17 | modeman | abrotman: wait, maybe in the control center ??? |
| 02:33.27 | modeman | abrotman: it's the fifth one!! |
| 02:33.31 | oenek | abrotman: and you have pretty reliable connectivity? |
| 02:34.10 | pipeline | Davidcc6: "cp" is fine for most things, but if you're trying to clone a drive, you want to use tar. "tar" is meant to make backups and restore them, so it's great for copying. The example command I just typed uses one tar command building a tarball, outputting to stdout, and a second tar command extracting from stdin. |
| 02:34.21 | abrotman | oenek: comcast |
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| 02:34.41 | abrotman | modeman: ah ... then . uhm .. kde sucks ? :) |
| 02:34.47 | Davidcc6 | pipeline, somthing like this cd (/mnt/hda1; tar -cf - ./*) | (cd hdb1; tar -xvf -) |
| 02:34.57 | modeman | abrotman: i am beginning to believe that |
| 02:35.00 | oenek | abroman mean through other onions when you use TOR? |
| 02:35.14 | abrotman | modeman: gnome rules! |
| 02:35.20 | pipeline | Davidcc6: No, I think you misunderstand me. I'll come back and explain in a minute. |
| 02:35.28 | abrotman | oenek: i don't use it .. i was testing it for the packager |
| 02:35.33 | abrotman | oenek: i actually run sarge |
| 02:35.45 | Davidcc6 | pipeline, thx so much, i will be read a little |
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| 02:36.33 | abrotman | oenek: when i do use it .. works perfectly fine |
| 02:37.02 | oenek | abrotman: must be on my side then. It works fine sometimes other times its really bad. |
| 02:37.29 | abrotman | oenek: it could be hosts that are running old versions |
| 02:37.32 | oenek | abrotman: kind of like when mixmailer was eatting my email *L* |
| 02:37.42 | abrotman | oenek: sounds like you do bad stuff |
| 02:37.45 | oenek | abrotman: yeah thats what it is |
| 02:38.13 | oenek | abrotman: hah hah no I'm just paranoid |
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| 02:38.35 | oenek | abrotman: and bored |
| 02:38.36 | abrotman | oenek: i meant bad stuff with your data |
| 02:38.37 | mcrawfor | in case anyone cares - i needed to apt-get --purge remove samba first - it was preserving the config files (even though they had been deleted) |
| 02:38.38 | ansong | jstevens, ok, so here i am in /etc and i go grep -R -e eth0 * i get a list of files, inspect just about everything and there's nothing like what you describe: eth0=eth0. |
| 02:38.39 | oenek | bad combo |
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| 02:38.52 | ansong | jstevens, wait a minute /etc/network/ifstate? |
| 02:38.53 | sgeigerbot | !lart abrotman |
| 02:39.06 | oenek | abrotman: yeah that I do |
| 02:39.09 | jstevens | ansong: it's in /etc/network |
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| 02:39.56 | jstevens | ansong: in a half hour I'll be home, I'll get my laptop on and check as to the actual file... until then I dont' have access to a Sarge install |
| 02:39.58 | abrotman | sgeigerbot: now hush .. you've already gotten in trouble once :) |
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| 02:41.57 | abrotman | !moo |
| 02:41.57 | dpkg | mooooooo! I am cow, hear me moo, I weigh twice as much as you. I'm a cow, eating grass, methane gas comes out my ass. I'm a cow, you are too; join us all! Type apt-get moo. |
| 02:42.46 | robertg | lol |
| 02:42.47 | gandy909 | who should own files in /var/www? |
| 02:43.00 | zignig | gandy909: me! |
| 02:43.07 | zignig | gandy909: :P |
| 02:43.08 | robertg | nobody |
| 02:43.10 | robertg | :p |
| 02:43.31 | toresbe | You can't like... OWN a file, maaan... |
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| 02:44.43 | Phated | Get off the drugs, toresbe. |
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| 02:45.05 | abrotman | modeman: get it working ? |
| 02:45.16 | toresbe | Phated: dudette, harsh |
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| 02:45.28 | modeman | abrotman: i don't have permissions to /dev/cdrom - should i adduser username disk ? |
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| 02:45.35 | modeman | abrotman: not yet lol |
| 02:45.38 | Assassinater | hey |
| 02:45.40 | gbic | dang gfx card isn't suported :( |
| 02:45.47 | abrotman | modeman: sure .. |
| 02:45.50 | gandy909 | wow, not even a 'blow me, RTFM', tonight? what is this place coming to |
| 02:45.56 | abrotman | modeman: adduser <username> cdrom |
| 02:45.57 | robertg | haha. |
| 02:45.58 | Assassinater | hey what release should i get? |
| 02:46.06 | gravity | A good one |
| 02:46.14 | toresbe | gandy909: It might be turning into... *GASP* a FRIENDLY SUPPORT CHANNEL |
| 02:46.19 | Phated | gandy909: Don't push it, buddy. Could happen at any time. |
| 02:46.20 | modeman | abrotman: already did that |
| 02:46.23 | abrotman | Assassinater: what for? |
| 02:46.25 | gandy909 | hehehe |
| 02:46.30 | abrotman | modeman: well .. that should do it |
| 02:46.30 | sgeigerbot | toresbe: It will never happen. |
| 02:46.34 | Assassinater | network isntallation of debian |
| 02:46.41 | oenek | bing |
| 02:46.43 | abrotman | Assassinater: purpose of the computer |
| 02:46.47 | oenek | Rick Flair blow |
| 02:46.51 | toresbe | sgeigerbot: mw ils on is still here, you have a point :P |
| 02:46.58 | Assassinater | hosting,desktop |
| 02:47.00 | modeman | hmmm |
| 02:47.09 | jstevens | ansong: you said it's a wireless card, right? |
| 02:47.18 | modeman | abrotman: is it not a good idea to addsuer to disk group ? |
| 02:47.20 | Phated | toresbe: Oooh, I'm gonna tell m wilson! |
| 02:47.25 | scarynetworkguy | Heh. |
| 02:47.28 | abrotman | modeman: no need |
| 02:47.32 | modeman | hmmm |
| 02:47.37 | ansong | jstevens, dude you were right the first time, sort of. i edited the /etc/network/interfaces with "auto eth1" and on the next line "iface eth1 inet dhcp" after an ifup/down eth1 i'm on |
| 02:47.40 | modeman | abrotman: how do you removeuser ? |
| 02:47.46 | abrotman | Assassinater: those are different purposes |
| 02:47.53 | abrotman | modeman: deluser ? |
| 02:47.59 | gandy909 | I was just wanting to be sure that all the files in the /var/www tree were really supposed to be 777 root:root...I guess so |
| 02:48.03 | jstevens | ansong: sweet... sorry about that |
| 02:48.08 | Assassinater | hmm? |
| 02:48.08 | modeman | abrotman: in the event that i want to remove the user from the disk group ... |
| 02:48.10 | Alex|afw | uhm |
| 02:48.11 | ansong | there just didn't seem to be any other file that did it... no prob |
| 02:48.11 | Alex|afw | guys |
| 02:48.23 | ansong | jstevens, thanks for the help |
| 02:48.25 | modeman | abrotman: thanks, i'll try this and let you know... maybe tomorrow lol |
| 02:48.32 | abrotman | Alex|afw: there are some gals here |
| 02:48.33 | jstevens | ansong: NP |
| 02:48.36 | oenek | gandy909 you might want them 770 |
| 02:48.40 | ansong | now i'm off with this laptop, and on with the new one |
| 02:48.41 | Alex|afw | how would i go about trimming a line down to 20 chars width |
| 02:48.51 | Assassinater | hmm abrot? |
| 02:48.58 | Alex|afw | as in |
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| 02:49.13 | gandy909 | oenek, that wouldn't be any fun! |
| 02:49.25 | abrotman | hmm what? |
| 02:49.34 | toresbe | I'm off to beeed |
| 02:49.34 | toresbe | night |
| 02:49.35 | Alex|afw | tail -n1 <somefilehere>|trimming the line here |
| 02:49.37 | Assassinater | those are different purposes |
| 02:49.42 | Assassinater | what do you mean |
| 02:49.51 | abrotman | Assassinater: one is a workstation .. one is a server right? |
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| 02:50.21 | ansong | whee! feel that Pentium M speed!! |
| 02:50.22 | Assassinater | no i mean as in both |
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| 02:50.44 | cafuego | Assassinater: Just cut it off at 20 chars? use 'cut'. |
| 02:50.47 | Phated | abrotman: Soem gals? WHERE?! |
| 02:50.55 | modeman | abrotman: can you f'in believe it |
| 02:51.01 | abrotman | modeman: no? |
| 02:51.07 | cafuego | Assassinater: if you just want to wrap it to 20, use 'fmt'. |
| 02:51.11 | modeman | abrotman: i needed to be added to the disk group - it works! |
| 02:51.22 | abrotman | modeman: doesn't make any sense .. but ok |
| 02:51.32 | Assassinater | what are you talking bout i mean what release of debian should i get |
| 02:51.40 | Alex|afw | cafuego, i asked that |
| 02:51.42 | modeman | abrotman: thats a first for me... i needed access to the disk group. is that a bad thing ??? |
| 02:51.46 | cafuego | Alex|afw: whoops :-) |
| 02:51.50 | Alex|afw | cafuego, and i believe i want wrapping |
| 02:51.53 | cafuego | Alex|afw: See 'cut' and 'fmt' :-) |
| 02:51.56 | abrotman | modeman: uhm |
| 02:51.58 | Alex|afw | cafuego, sec, i'll give that a shot |
| 02:52.11 | abrotman | modeman: not a group i'm in |
| 02:52.12 | cafuego | Assassinater: Sarge for a desktop, woody for a server. |
| 02:52.20 | modeman | abrotman: there must be other ramifications for adding a user to a group |
| 02:52.23 | oenek | gandy909: 644 |
| 02:52.29 | modeman | abrotman: to that group i meant |
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| 02:52.50 | abrotman | modeman: probably there is |
| 02:52.57 | modeman | abrotman: regardless, i'm off to bed and thanks for the assistance. |
| 02:52.59 | cafuego | modeman: Your crom device is usually owned by the 'cdrom' group, so that you don't need to add suers to 'disk' (so they can't access yor raw disk devices) |
| 02:53.08 | abrotman | modeman: ok .. |
| 02:53.11 | Alex|afw | cafuego, ail -n1 /tmp/test32 |fmt -w 20|tail -n1 |
| 02:53.14 | Alex|afw | +t |
| 02:53.17 | abrotman | cafuego: it wouldn't work otherwise |
| 02:53.19 | Alex|afw | something like that i guess :) |
| 02:53.37 | Alex|afw | now my only problem is timing, but i guess it'll work out |
| 02:53.40 | modeman | abrotman: that's what i thought. iwill need to be careful |
| 02:53.49 | modeman | good night all... |
| 02:53.50 | gandy909 | oenek, should they be root:root tho? |
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| 02:54.01 | cafuego | abrotman: That's a matter of heving the devices owned by the correct group. |
| 02:54.07 | oenek | gandy909: thats what I have |
| 02:54.15 | Alex|afw | trying to squeeze tar cjvf output onto a 4x20 lcd display ;) |
| 02:54.16 | gandy909 | oenek, thanks |
| 02:54.24 | Alex|afw | cafuego, thx ;) |
| 02:54.28 | oenek | gandy909: no problem |
| 02:54.32 | abrotman | cafuego: he said they were |
| 02:54.49 | cafuego | abrotman: I use 'cdrom' and mode 664, that way I can run cdrecord as suid root for group cdrom too. |
| 02:55.08 | oenek | gandy909: it might depend on what your httpd runs as too |
| 02:55.13 | cafuego | Alex|afw: Just drop the 'v'. |
| 02:55.19 | abrotman | cafuego: you dirty bastard!! |
| 02:55.26 | oenek | gandy909: you might need something like root:web |
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| 02:55.32 | Alex|afw | cafuego, no, i want the v, to show that something's going on |
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| 02:55.35 | peetah | how can i kill a pid with a SIGHUP ? |
| 02:55.38 | cafuego | abrotman: Eh! Wanna make something of it? |
| 02:55.44 | oenek | gandy909: or what ever the httpd runs as |
| 02:55.49 | abrotman | cafuego: i'm gonna get you deported! |
| 02:55.51 | abrotman | :) |
| 02:55.56 | cafuego | Alex|afw: Soemthing is going on unless it shows a command prompt <heh> |
| 02:56.16 | Alex|afw | cafuego, only nicer option would be cpbk, but making that display compatible is a pain in the butt |
| 02:56.51 | olorin909 | gandy909, hi |
| 02:56.55 | Alex|afw | cafuego, the display is controlled by lcd4linux, no console there really. i'm gonna have lcd4linux execute almost that line above every few msec |
| 02:56.56 | cafuego | Alex|afw: echo -n "Uncompressing ..."; tar cfz foo.tar.gz && echo " ok" || echo " error" |
| 02:57.02 | oenek | does anyone know of a mv alias that automatically renames files using random names? |
| 02:57.07 | Alex|afw | ^ |
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| 02:57.12 | olorin909 | gandy909: hi |
| 02:57.15 | oenek | or a mv script |
| 02:57.18 | Alex|afw | brb |
| 02:57.21 | olorin909 | boo |
| 02:57.50 | deadcat | i am reading greycat's sidfaq, he mentioned if grep or libpam0g breaks. is the solution livecd? |
| 02:57.55 | cafuego | Alex|afw: Or you could link it to /dev/vcs* |
| 02:58.18 | cafuego | deadcat: init=/bin/sh |
| 02:58.31 | deadcat | ah |
| 02:58.48 | deadcat | cafuego: then downgrade? |
| 02:58.56 | cafuego | deadcat: See also 'init=/ln -sf /some/path/lib.so /lib/' for advanced fixing ;-) |
| 02:59.11 | deadcat | damn (= |
| 02:59.15 | cafuego | deadcat: Then fix whatever is broken, yes. |
| 02:59.31 | Alex|afw | cafuego, dev/vcs ? |
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| 02:59.42 | cafuego | Alex|afw: Yes. snoop devices for the console. |
| 03:00.04 | gbic | I must say Debian really smokes on this HP c3000 :) |
| 03:00.19 | Alex|afw | cafuego, would have to write an interface to the display though |
| 03:00.24 | Alex|afw | cafuego, and it's 4am ;P |
| 03:00.25 | cafuego | gbic: smokes what, exactly? ;-) |
| 03:01.00 | cafuego | Alex|afw: fmt -w 20 < /dev/vcsX | tail -n1 | display-app |
| 03:01.02 | gbic | hpux was running like 3.* loads |
| 03:01.03 | roo9 | what options would you pass mkfs.ext3 if you making a filesystem that was primarily for long-term storage of large (>300mb) files? |
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| 03:01.10 | gbic | this is now runnin 0.0* |
| 03:01.11 | gbic | hehe |
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| 03:01.28 | cafuego | roo9: The device file. |
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| 03:01.59 | roo9 | cafuego: you wouldn't increase the block size? |
| 03:02.01 | Alex|afw | cafuego, well then the only difference would be not using a file for the information exchange |
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| 03:02.18 | photoguy41 | do you think its possible to install linux to a usb mass storage device? |
| 03:02.23 | lakcaj | Hi. How can I verify a CD that I burnt agaist the iso? I've tried "diff /dev/cdrom image.iso" and "md5sum /dev/cdrom" and "dd if=/dev/cdrom | md5sum" and I always get an I/O error. |
| 03:02.25 | Alex|afw | cafuego, i'll ponder about that for a while, just had another thought as well... thx for the input so far ;) |
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| 03:02.37 | lakcaj | photoguy41, it definitely is. |
| 03:02.44 | photoguy41 | dope |
| 03:03.15 | photoguy41 | i just got a 20 gig mp3 player and thought it would be sweet to also use it for booting linux |
| 03:03.21 | roo9 | cafuego: what about sparse_super |
| 03:03.31 | lakcaj | photoguy41, try here for starters: http://www.damnsmalllinux.org/ |
| 03:03.41 | photoguy41 | im trying feather linux |
| 03:03.55 | photoguy41 | 125mb |
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| 03:04.21 | photoguy41 | but do you know how i would go about installing it to the device? |
| 03:04.29 | wilbertoki | anyone used tinfoil hat linux? |
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| 03:05.03 | oenek | wilbertoki: Not even I'm that paranoid |
| 03:05.09 | oenek | :-) |
| 03:05.13 | roo9 | cafuego: and -T largefile4 |
| 03:05.40 | ncsu | Can someone help me, I have debian and apache running with a few domains pointed to my computer and a cable modem, I can download fine at 500+ kbs but when just browing it takes a really long time to resolve the domain name or something of all sites, especially my own. Are there any common issues that this sounds like? |
| 03:05.43 | roo9 | so, something like mkfs.ext3 -T largefile4 -O sparse_super,has_journal -j /dev/sda1 |
| 03:06.10 | wilbertoki | oenek: I tried to join PA, paranoids anonymous but they woulndt tell me where the meetings were |
| 03:06.37 | wilbertoki | I want a bootable floppy distro for saving passwords so to foil keyloggers |
| 03:06.48 | dud | httpd.conf prolly has resolv on ncsu |
| 03:06.50 | oenek | wilbertoki: Are you using tinfoil now? How is it? |
| 03:07.26 | wilbertoki | oenek: yes to save passwords -- it is good , it is for signing gpg keys |
| 03:08.29 | ncsu | dud, what do you mean? |
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| 03:08.48 | oenek | wilbertoki: save passwords? Do you duelboot or use something like VMware and doesn't that defeat the security... by running another os? |
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| 03:10.04 | wilbertoki | oenek: to save passwords like the root for my server and for all the office passwords, I boot the floppy, check the password and then reboot normally |
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| 03:11.11 | slocate | does exim4 still use /etc/exim.conf? |
| 03:11.13 | gravity | gweled: For when crack just isn't good enough |
| 03:11.18 | oenek | wilbertoki: I assume the filesystem is encrypted? |
| 03:11.30 | wilbertoki | on the floppy? no |
| 03:11.36 | ncsu | carl johnson says crack is bad |
| 03:11.57 | oenek | wilbertoki: well I guess you could just encrypt and hide the password file then |
| 03:11.58 | wilbertoki | I could use gpg to encrypt the text file the passwords are in but for right now im just keeping them in a safe secure plcae |
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| 03:12.11 | wilbertoki | oenek: I am looking for a better soliton |
| 03:12.17 | wilbertoki | ** solution |
| 03:12.32 | oenek | !steghide |
| 03:13.11 | oenek | hmm |
| 03:13.22 | oenek | wilbertoki: apt-get install steghide |
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| 03:13.56 | oenek | wilbertoki: it'll hide it from most people |
| 03:14.07 | AP03 | anyone know how i can add "xset -b" to my x startup? |
| 03:14.23 | oenek | wilbertoki: you can say encyrpt them using AES and hide them in a picture |
| 03:14.46 | slocate | does exim4 still use /etc/exim.conf or /etc/exim4.conf.template |
| 03:14.54 | slocate | i don't get it |
| 03:15.33 | lakcaj | AP03, you could always put it in .bashrc |
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| 03:16.01 | AP03 | lakcaj: ive heard i should put it in my ~/.xsession file - is that true? |
| 03:16.34 | oenek | What I'd liek to see is someone come up with an encrypted files system that lies across a series of pictures |
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| 03:17.00 | oenek | filesystem I mean and like :-p |
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| 03:17.22 | lakcaj | AP03, well... did you try putting it in .xsession? .bashrc get sourced every time you open a terminal, but if .xsession works too, then I guess its just personal preference. |
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| 03:18.09 | lakcaj | AP03, I've never had to use .xsession... it may work perfectly well <shrug> |
| 03:18.18 | AP03 | lakcaj: .bashrc would only apply to a terminal and not other programs, which is why i wanna try it in .xsession but it didnt work, my .xsession only has 2 lines 1) "xset b off" and 2) "exec /usr/bin/gnome-session" |
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| 03:20.15 | emp_ | what's a shell script to find all files named foo and delete them? |
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| 03:20.38 | abrotman | AP03: read the docs ... not all xterms source .bashrc or .bash_profile .. |
| 03:21.29 | oenek | emp_: find . -type f -name "foo" -exec rm \{} \; |
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| 03:21.48 | oenek | !find |
| 03:21.57 | dud | try find / -name foo -exec rm {} \; |
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| 03:22.22 | lakcaj | AP03, sorry I can't be more help with .xsession, like I said I've never played with it. |
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| 03:22.49 | lakcaj | abrotman, How can I verify a CD that I burnt agaist the iso? I've tried "diff /dev/cdrom image.iso" and "md5sum /dev/cdrom" and "dd if=/dev/cdrom | md5sum" and I always get an I/O error. |
| 03:22.59 | masterLoki | hi there |
| 03:23.27 | masterLoki | quick questions How many CD's do I need to download to install Debian |
| 03:23.34 | masterLoki | 1-7 |
| 03:23.41 | masterLoki | or just 1-2 |
| 03:23.51 | abrotman | lakcaj: why? |
| 03:24.00 | ^c | masterLoki: 1 if you do a net install |
| 03:24.03 | abrotman | masterLoki: 1 |
| 03:24.06 | oenek | masterLoki: 1 if you use Knoppix |
| 03:24.12 | abrotman | oenek: shut up with that shit |
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| 03:24.17 | abrotman | i mean it .. |
| 03:24.19 | abrotman | knoppix is shit |
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| 03:24.23 | TCW | re |
| 03:24.27 | masterLoki | First I was in Fedora, then FreeBSD |
| 03:24.29 | peet | my new debian installation fails to read my keyboard |
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| 03:24.30 | abrotman | and please PLEASE don't advocate it here |
| 03:24.33 | peet | i can't type! |
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| 03:24.38 | masterLoki | now it's time to do new thing |
| 03:24.40 | masterLoki | s |
| 03:24.46 | oenek | abrotman: knoppix has detected all my stuff and I have some weird crap |
| 03:24.55 | abrotman | oenek: doesn't matter |
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| 03:25.02 | abrotman | oenek: don't advocate it .. dont' suggest it .. |
| 03:25.07 | oenek | abrotman: like this stupid 2nd rate laptop |
| 03:25.13 | TCW | what did happen to the package "bootlogd"? Am I completely nuts? p.d.o doesn't show it anymore available... |
| 03:25.19 | lakcaj | abrotman, I want to make sure that the CD was written without errors before I give it to the guy I burnt it for. |
| 03:25.27 | masterLoki | then just the first |
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| 03:25.29 | abrotman | oenek: if you want to help people with it . go to #knoppix .. but don't tell people in #deiban to use it .. it's not debian .. and debian is not knoppix |
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| 03:25.58 | abrotman | lakcaj: you could dd if=/dev/cdrom of=blah.iso .. then do md5 ? |
| 03:26.16 | oenek | abrotman: it should be the Debian DI. |
| 03:26.27 | lakcaj | abrotman, I thought of that, but I don't like the idea of having to make another iso every time I want to verify a CD. I guess that will have to do this time. |
| 03:26.39 | yani | hello |
| 03:26.44 | wilbertoki | oenek: thanks Ill check out steghide |
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| 03:26.55 | lakcaj | abrotman, thanks for your help |
| 03:27.02 | mattilius | I know its somewhat forbidden... but where can i get my hands on decss? |
| 03:27.12 | yani | hellooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooo!!!!!!!!!!! |
| 03:27.20 | abrotman | oenek: no l.. it shouldn't .. it's crap .. go to #knoppix |
| 03:27.26 | oenek | wilbertoki: no problem |
| 03:27.34 | abrotman | mattilius: /msg dpkg marillat |
| 03:27.44 | oenek | wilbertoki: it'll hide your stuff unless the NSA gets ahold of it :-) |
| 03:27.51 | abrotman | lakcaj: i'm not sure of another way |
| 03:27.52 | mattilius | abrotman, thanks |
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| 03:28.23 | TCW | would someone be so nice and approve that there is (was?) a package called "bootlogd"? |
| 03:28.37 | abrotman | huh? |
| 03:28.40 | holycow | heh |
| 03:28.41 | abrotman | !info bootlogd |
| 03:28.51 | holycow | i'm starting to see popup on ffox and linux now |
| 03:28.57 | lakcaj | abrotman, thanks though.... I appreciate it. |
| 03:28.59 | holycow | i guess dickwads read the slashdot add |
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| 03:29.09 | holycow | well, time to disable javascript and cookies |
| 03:29.10 | holycow | touche |
| 03:29.15 | TCW | abrotman, ever heard of it? |
| 03:29.17 | oenek | abrotman: Let people decide wether they like it. You hate it. I like it. |
| 03:29.27 | abrotman | oenek: don't suggest it in this channel |
| 03:29.40 | abrotman | oenek: i don't care if you like it .. don't suggest it ... because then the fucking morons come back here for support |
| 03:29.45 | abrotman | TCW: no |
| 03:29.54 | abrotman | oenek: now do you see the problem ? |
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| 03:30.12 | oenek | memphis is another good one |
| 03:30.19 | yani | hola |
| 03:30.21 | abrotman | mepis .. dumbass |
| 03:30.30 | TCW | abrotman, a daemon which collects bootup messages and writes them to a logfile (/var/log/bootlog.log iirc) |
| 03:30.32 | oenek | mepis :-) |
| 03:30.34 | abrotman | oenek: don't god damn suggest the stuff here ? .. ok ? |
| 03:30.48 | abrotman | !based on debian |
| 03:30.48 | dpkg | Knoppix, Libranet, Corel/Xandros, Stormix, Progeny, Lindows, DamnSmallLinux, Ubuntu, Agnula, Xebian, and so on are *not* Debian. Just because something's "based on" Debian doesn't mean we can support it. You'll get a Debian answer, and if it doesn't work, you're out of luck. |
| 03:30.50 | yani | hello |
| 03:31.03 | lakcaj | wtf? I keep getting this damn I/O error: |
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| 03:31.09 | lakcaj | john@diablo:~$ dd if=/dev/cdrom of=test.iso |
| 03:31.09 | lakcaj | dd: reading `/dev/cdrom': Input/output error |
| 03:31.10 | oenek | Because they're 10X better then that crap on a CD called the debian DI that why |
| 03:31.14 | wilbertoki | oenek: yeah the only way to protect yourself from the NS A is to stay out of there way |
| 03:31.17 | oenek | thats even |
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| 03:31.27 | TCW | lakcaj, the cd is somewhat broken |
| 03:31.30 | abrotman | oenek: i don't fucking care .. you're not paying attention .. that crap is not debian .. nor do they install debian |
| 03:31.35 | abrotman | oenek: stop being an idiot |
| 03:31.59 | oenek | abrotman: stop being irrational |
| 03:32.02 | lakcaj | TCW, I'm not sure what you mean... the CD utilities or you think my actual drive/CD is broken? |
| 03:32.07 | abrotman | oenek: i'm not .. why do you think i am ? |
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| 03:32.15 | abrotman | oenek: if you want to push that crap .. go to ##linux |
| 03:32.16 | gravity | Both of you stop it |
| 03:32.34 | abrotman | gravity: we won't support it but we can advocate it ? |
| 03:32.37 | gravity | abrotman: He can suggest whatever he wants |
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| 03:32.50 | TCW | lakcaj, the cd media, the silver thingy which is around 13cm in diameter, that disc which lokks like... dunno, a disc! |
| 03:32.52 | abrotman | gravity: then you have no objections to helping knoppix users here? |
| 03:32.59 | gravity | abrotman: I suggest ubuntu plenty, and then tell people to go to Ubuntu channels. Same thing with knoppix. |
| 03:33.01 | TCW | looks even |
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| 03:33.12 | gravity | abrotman: Debian, like it or not, is not perfect, nor should we pretend it is |
| 03:33.26 | oenek | yeah Ubuntu is great too |
| 03:33.27 | holycow | nor can it ever be |
| 03:33.28 | TCW | lakcaj, surely it is also possible that the drive (the laser / lense) is broken |
| 03:33.30 | gravity | abrotman: That doesn't mean we have to support it, but we can definitely point people in the right direction in order to help them |
| 03:33.42 | oenek | I mean hell we we're just talking about tinfoil *L* |
| 03:33.46 | abrotman | gravity: i'm not saying it is .. i'm just saying that people in debian channel shouldn't be telling people to go use it .. without telling them that it is not debian .. and that we won't support it |
| 03:33.55 | lakcaj | TCW, I doubt that. I've had this error on many disks, on many distros. This is a brand new package of fujifilm CD that I just took the wrapper off. I've also had this problem on another system completely. I think there is something wrong with the software. |
| 03:33.58 | gandy909 | I have the woody .iso's mountd via loop. I used apt-cdrom to add them to sources.list. why is apt-get prompting me to change cd's ??? |
| 03:34.12 | abrotman | gravity: i saw him suggest it quite a few times .. without offering a distinction |
| 03:34.14 | gravity | abrotman: Fine, I agree, but we are here to help people. If they are best served by something other than Debian then we should help them get to it |
| 03:34.24 | lakcaj | TCW, thanks for the suggestions though. |
| 03:34.30 | abrotman | gravity: then please .. go back and check the situations where he has suggested it |
| 03:34.41 | TCW | lakcaj, every time I got that eror (exactly the same as you did paste) it was a broken cd media |
| 03:34.44 | abrotman | gravity: people ask "how do i install debian?" .. and his response "use knoppix" |
| 03:34.46 | TCW | error even |
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| 03:34.58 | abrotman | gravity: now .. that's a problem |
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| 03:35.02 | lakcaj | TCW, ok... I'll still consider that an option. |
| 03:35.12 | gravity | oenek: We don't support those other distros here. If you want to suggest them, that's fine, but support them in the appropriate on-topic forum |
| 03:35.13 | oenek | or mepis or Ubuntu *L* |
| 03:35.24 | abrotman | gravity: see ... |
| 03:35.26 | gravity | All clear? |
| 03:35.37 | TCW | lakcaj, maybe the disc is broken by intention... copy protection? |
| 03:35.41 | abrotman | oenek: or just don't suggest anything at all ... |
| 03:36.27 | abrotman | knoppix/mepis/ubuntu are not methods used to install debian .. in any way |
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| 03:36.58 | abrotman | (bah .. debootstrap stuff) |
| 03:37.02 | oenek | now you're lying abrotman. All of those are Debian based. They can be used to so so. |
| 03:37.10 | oenek | do so even |
| 03:37.12 | abrotman | oenek: no ... |
| 03:37.14 | gravity | oenek: We have enough traffic and users in here that it's tough to support just Debian. Debian-derivatives get lower priority |
| 03:37.14 | abrotman | !based on debian |
| 03:37.14 | dpkg | Knoppix, Libranet, Corel/Xandros, Stormix, Progeny, Lindows, DamnSmallLinux, Ubuntu, Agnula, Xebian, and so on are *not* Debian. Just because something's "based on" Debian doesn't mean we can support it. You'll get a Debian answer, and if it doesn't work, you're out of luck. |
| 03:37.21 | abrotman | oenek: they do not install debian |
| 03:37.31 | abrotman | oenek: and you're being part of the problem now |
| 03:37.44 | gravity | abrotman: Cool it |
| 03:37.46 | gravity | He gets it |
| 03:37.51 | oenek | abrotman: why are you being such a pighead about this? |
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| 03:37.55 | abrotman | gravity: no .. he doesn't .. he just said he doesn't |
| 03:37.59 | gravity | oenek: Cool off |
| 03:38.00 | abrotman | oenek: i'm not .. you are |
| 03:38.07 | cef | you can use almost anything to install debian using debootstrap. *grin* |
| 03:38.08 | abrotman | bah .. now i'm fucking 12 |
| 03:38.09 | abrotman | :) |
| 03:38.25 | gravity | oenek: Do you understand why we can't support Debian-derivatives in here? |
| 03:38.25 | abrotman | cef: but you can't use knop2hd or whatever it is .. and have debian |
| 03:38.27 | oenek | hah ha same here abrotman |
| 03:38.45 | gravity | cef: :-) |
| 03:38.48 | abrotman | oenek: those things do not install debian(other than using debootstrap) .. please don't suggest them |
| 03:39.11 | abrotman | oenek: they really truly are not debian |
| 03:39.11 | TCW | abrotman, it seems you have a bit of trouble here? ;) |
| 03:39.19 | abrotman | TCW: people hate me :) |
| 03:39.24 | lakcaj | TCW, what I don't understand is that if I use something like k3b to burn the CD, and have k3b verify the burn, it always comes back saying everything went fine. |
| 03:39.28 | abrotman | and Phated isn't here to back me up :) |
| 03:39.35 | oenek | abrotman: who on here as a true debian system? |
| 03:39.35 | Phated | Yes, she is. |
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| 03:39.39 | mattilius | ok, im getting libdvdcss2. What player would you reccomend? I'm not interested in ripping |
| 03:39.42 | abrotman | oenek: i do .. 100% |
| 03:39.48 | lakcaj | TCW, I don't understand how K3B is verifying the CD if I can't verify it from the CLI. |
| 03:39.49 | oenek | hell I role my own kernels and use non-free sources |
| 03:39.51 | abrotman | oenek: and many people do |
| 03:40.02 | gravity | oenek: There's a distinct difference though |
| 03:40.10 | abrotman | oenek: that's great .. that's you ... that doesn't mean crap |
| 03:40.12 | lakcaj | mattilius, either mplayer or vlc or both. |
| 03:40.21 | oenek | not as different as you think. |
| 03:40.21 | TCW | abrotman, my sympathy is with you ;) |
| 03:40.21 | mattilius | lakcaj, which is stabler? |
| 03:40.26 | holycow | oenek, i only run 100% debian and nothing else |
| 03:40.29 | abrotman | oenek: yes .. they are |
| 03:40.33 | mattilius | lakcaj, im using sid repositories, btw |
| 03:40.33 | oenek | its like pointing people to www.apt-get.org |
| 03:40.37 | abrotman | oenek: see .. many people run strict debian |
| 03:40.44 | oenek | all non -official packages |
| 03:40.45 | Phated | Like me. And abrotman. :) |
| 03:40.46 | gravity | oenek: If you really have a problem with it, just go to #mepis, #ubuntu, #knoppix or whatever and help people there |
| 03:40.51 | abrotman | oenek: because they ask .. and we tell them that we don't support it .. |
| 03:40.51 | slocate | does exim4 still use /etc/exim.conf or /etc/exim4.conf.template |
| 03:40.57 | scarynetworkguy | And all good hearted people. |
| 03:41.03 | TCW | lakcaj, what? k3b dos not complain in ANY way about the cd?! |
| 03:41.06 | lakcaj | mattilius, they are both very stable. VLC has a nice gui, and most people use mplayer from the command line. Both with play almost anything you throw at them. |
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| 03:41.15 | lakcaj | TCW, no... never. |
| 03:41.24 | TCW | lakcaj, ugh |
| 03:41.48 | TCW | lakcaj, it may be that the "problem" is a bit more complex than I thought ;) |
| 03:41.52 | mattilius | lakcaj, OK, do you have a personal recommendation? I've only used VLC from windows. Only tried mplayer once before. |
| 03:41.54 | abrotman | oenek: suggest those to your friends/family all you want .. but please don't suggest those distros in #debian ... |
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| 03:42.06 | abrotman | oenek: i repeat .. they are NOT debian |
| 03:42.27 | oenek | abrotman: I repeat your as inflexable as stallman |
| 03:42.35 | Phated | Go abrotman. |
| 03:42.38 | oenek | :-) |
| 03:42.42 | TCW | abrotman, take a deep breath, smoke a cigarette, have a cup of tea... and relax :) |
| 03:42.53 | mattilius | abrotman, i would agree. Debian or not. I would have no problem suggesting debian in any of those channels |
| 03:42.55 | lakcaj | mattilius, I really like to have both. mplayer is great to have since it is very quick from the command line. VLC on linux behaves exactly the way it does on windows. |
| 03:43.03 | zignig | TCW: mmm, ciggi , good idea. |
| 03:43.08 | mattilius | its not a cutthrought situation |
| 03:43.13 | abrotman | oenek: because there are 800 people here .. we can't support everything based on debian .. they are not debian .. that would be like asking #redhat to support MDK |
| 03:43.17 | holycow | oenek, thats a rather crude assessment |
| 03:43.20 | mattilius | lakcaj, ok thanks! |
| 03:43.23 | abrotman | mattilius: i'd yell at you there too |
| 03:43.26 | oenek | abrotman: I realize that |
| 03:43.37 | TCW | zignig, you are free to do the same... even if I think abrotman needs it more than you ;) |
| 03:43.43 | oenek | abrotman: but refusing to mention the even exist is kind of silly :-) |
| 03:43.50 | abrotman | TCW: no way! |
| 03:43.51 | lakcaj | mattilius, if you want a DVD only player, I would also look at ogle. It is very mature for mplayer DVDs, and supports menus, etc., better than most other players. You just type "ogle" in the commandline and it automagically starts your DVD. |
| 03:44.01 | Phated | We do mention that they exist. We just don't support them. <shrug> |
| 03:44.01 | mattilius | abrotman, OK, and i understand. BUt some thing are distro universal, and telling someone off when they ask about that just because it isnt exactly debian doesn't make much sense to me |
| 03:44.03 | abrotman | oenek: but you're doing it when people ask how to install debian |
| 03:44.20 | gravity | And people wonder why ars hates this channel |
| 03:44.21 | mattilius | lakcaj, ooh! I'll have to check that out |
| 03:44.23 | abrotman | mattilius: it does if say .. knoppix changes the cdrom group to .. cddrive |
| 03:44.36 | oenek | holycow: I'm starting a holy war with debian fanatics which is NOT what I want |
| 03:44.37 | abrotman | gravity: i don't know why :) |
| 03:44.42 | gravity | I do |
| 03:44.44 | gravity | I asked him |
| 03:44.44 | abrotman | heh |
| 03:44.48 | TCW | abrotman, what is the problem? The tea, the cigarette or the part about "relaxing"? :) |
| 03:44.54 | lakcaj | mattilius, subsitute "playing" for "mplayer" in my last comment about ogle. |
| 03:44.58 | Phated | With a name like "ars", I don't see who they can't hate. |
| 03:44.59 | gravity | I also told him we were trying to improve it. Thanks for helping. |
| 03:45.02 | abrotman | TCW: the fact that my nose is full of snot probably isn't helping |
| 03:45.07 | scarynetworkguy | oenek: Have you notices what channel you're in? |
| 03:45.07 | mattilius | abrotman, ok. I have to admit i have no idea what he was talking about, im kinda arguing out of my ass (too much slashdot lately) |
| 03:45.11 | mattilius | so ill butt out now |
| 03:45.15 | gravity | Phated: Ars is an excellent site |
| 03:45.21 | Phated | gravity: Who's "we" and since when did you speak for the channel? |
| 03:45.22 | igraltist | hi |
| 03:45.28 | holycow | oenek, lol, now you insult us true debian fanatics :) |
| 03:45.29 | holycow | hehehe |
| 03:45.30 | abrotman | gravity: i'm nice most of the time .. very nice .. but when someone asks how to install debian and oenek says "knoppix" .. that's just fucked |
| 03:45.32 | gravity | Phated: I spoke for the Debian project and for the channel |
| 03:45.33 | mattilius | lakcaj, lol. that makes a little more sense :) |
| 03:45.37 | igraltist | how can i write on a scsi streamer? |
| 03:45.40 | Phated | Hmmm. |
| 03:45.41 | scarynetworkguy | gravity: And you are? |
| 03:45.43 | gravity | Phated: And for some of the mods who I've talked to |
| 03:45.48 | oenek | scarynetworkguy: yeah I do but not everyone runs 100% pure debian |
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| 03:45.56 | abrotman | gravity: ask Phated .. i'm just as nice as peach pie! |
| 03:45.59 | Phated | gravity: Yeah, what scarynetworkguy said. |
| 03:46.02 | mattilius | abrotman, so THATS what happened? well, i agree then. |
| 03:46.04 | Phated | abrotman: Screw that. |
| 03:46.07 | igraltist | i try tar -cvf /dev/st0 /home but a get an error |
| 03:46.07 | TCW | abrotman, maybe "bed" should be considered as a viable option too? ;) |
| 03:46.08 | abrotman | heh |
| 03:46.10 | gravity | Wow... I've been around longer than both of you and you don't know me |
| 03:46.13 | gravity | I guess I should talk more |
| 03:46.25 | gravity | I remember when you both showed up too |
| 03:46.25 | scarynetworkguy | oenek: Point being non-Debian distros are OT and annoying here. |
| 03:46.26 | Phated | <boohoo> |
| 03:46.32 | abrotman | yeah .. he has been here a while .. but stays mostly quiet |
| 03:46.34 | gravity | Phated: /whois gravity |
| 03:46.35 | mattilius | i wish aptitude had better timeout handling. |
| 03:46.40 | Phated | I did. |
| 03:46.40 | cef | I just got prompted to install a kernel in the first stage install.. woo! |
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| 03:46.46 | mattilius | it just throws an error and doesn't try redownloading again |
| 03:46.47 | abrotman | gravity: that doesn't help :) |
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| 03:47.10 | scarynetworkguy | gravity: So by what right do you speak for Debian? |
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| 03:47.16 | gravity | scarynetworkguy: I'm a DD |
| 03:47.17 | abrotman | oenek: and something like knoppix/ubuntu should never be suggested as a way for anyone to install *debian* |
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| 03:47.20 | oenek | hey I just pointed out that they might like to play around with those debian based distros first instead of letting DI nuke their drive |
| 03:47.25 | rixth | Opinion time! What do you think the best accountint package is? |
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| 03:47.30 | c4_ | does someone where to find this file?: XFree86.bz2 |
| 03:47.36 | rixth | And which is the most similar to MYOB? |
| 03:47.38 | oenek | like it did to mine the first time I used it :-D |
| 03:47.41 | scarynetworkguy | gravity: There are hundreds of DDs. That means nothing wrt speaking for the project. |
| 03:47.42 | c4_ | knows, sorry |
| 03:47.45 | abrotman | oenek: you realize that we get people every day who tell us how nice the d-i is ? |
| 03:47.46 | gravity | scarynetworkguy: And I've long been in contact with some of the #debian mods, so I know a little bit about what they'd like for this channel. Does that help? |
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| 03:47.56 | oenek | yes I do |
| 03:48.00 | mattilius | Personally i don't see why the distros are so competitive. I use software from all over the place. I even have a couple RPMs lying around |
| 03:48.04 | scarynetworkguy | gravity: WTF is a #debian mod? |
| 03:48.08 | gravity | Wow |
| 03:48.12 | oenek | and it doesn't work for some people |
| 03:48.13 | abrotman | oenek: that's why we don't suggest other things |
| 03:48.13 | Phated | scarynetworkguy: Op, mod, wtc. |
| 03:48.16 | Phated | Er, etc. |
| 03:48.20 | abrotman | scarynetworkguy: i assume he means ops |
| 03:48.20 | gravity | This is a stupid discussion |
| 03:48.28 | rixth | I agree =/ |
| 03:48.29 | oenek | I agree gravity |
| 03:48.31 | oenek | *L* |
| 03:48.36 | abrotman | i don't agree! |
| 03:48.37 | scarynetworkguy | Phated: I know. I'm just calling him on non-standard terms. :) |
| 03:48.43 | Phated | Lovely to see I've been spoken for. I'm off now. |
| 03:48.49 | gravity | scarynetworkguy: Do you really have nothing better to do? |
| 03:48.57 | rixth | !ops please wahck scarynetworkguy with a piece of frozen tuna |
| 03:48.57 | abrotman | oenek: please please .. don't suggest those when people ask how to install debian .. ok ? |
| 03:48.58 | dpkg | Hydroxide, bob2, caphuso, dondelelcaro, doogie, eeyore-, ElectricElf, greycat, helix, ljlane, LoRez, mentor, Netsnipe, TML, walters, xk: please wahck scarynetworkguy with a piece of frozen tuna |
| 03:48.59 | scarynetworkguy | gravity: Hm? |
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| 03:49.10 | abrotman | oh my fucking god |
| 03:49.14 | Phated | Good one. |
| 03:49.20 | abrotman | !fish scarynetworkguy |
| 03:49.22 | Phated | Someone log the ops' reactions to that. |
| 03:49.24 | abrotman | taken care of |
| 03:49.26 | rixth | abrotman... language dude |
| 03:49.28 | mattilius | !irritate channel |
| 03:49.29 | dpkg | channel: hi every1 where cn I get w4arez 4 debina lol U FUX0RZ |
| 03:49.33 | scarynetworkguy | Phated: I'll let you know what happens. :) |
| 03:49.38 | abrotman | rixth: what language .. english ? |
| 03:49.43 | oenek | abrotman: you really like arguing with me? |
| 03:49.48 | TCW | abrotman, btw... have a look: dpkg -L sysvinit|grep bootlogd <- I was completely nuts... or that thing merged with another package in another life / parallel universum ;) |
| 03:49.51 | abrotman | oenek: i'm asking you to please refrain |
| 03:49.58 | rixth | Don't be a sarcastic dolt. You know waht I mean.. |
| 03:50.05 | abrotman | no i don;t |
| 03:50.09 | mattilius | OK... im probably gona get spanked for this |
| 03:50.12 | gravity | abrotman, oenek I think you both made your points |
| 03:50.15 | abrotman | !find bootlogd |
| 03:50.15 | mattilius | EVERYONE stop arguing and shut up? |
| 03:50.22 | oenek | abrotman: I'm asking you to drop it |
| 03:50.22 | dpkg | Debian Search of 'bootlogd' (2 shown): (/sbin/bootlogd) in base/sysvinit ;; (/etc/default/bootlogd, /etc/init.d/{bootlogd|stop-bootlogd}) in base/initscripts. |
| 03:50.22 | abrotman | no way! |
| 03:50.28 | rixth | I agree with Marrilius |
| 03:50.31 | abrotman | oenek: i'm asking to not do that |
| 03:50.32 | oenek | yes way! |
| 03:50.32 | mattilius | lol |
| 03:50.35 | rixth | Mattilius* |
| 03:50.41 | abrotman | TCW: make sense ? |
| 03:50.45 | TCW | abrotman, or... ask dpkg *lol* |
| 03:50.52 | scarynetworkguy | !lol |
| 03:50.52 | dpkg | well, lol is Loser On Line, good work scarynetworkguy, you've just added your name to the ever-growing #debian LOL List. |
| 03:51.02 | abrotman | TCW: sorry .. my contacts are getting fuzzy .. it was easier :) |
| 03:51.05 | scarynetworkguy | I liked the other one better. |
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| 03:51.24 | mattilius | everyone type !lol |
| 03:51.24 | oenek | abrotman: Do you use Emacs? |
| 03:51.25 | mattilius | !lol |
| 03:51.25 | dpkg | hmm... lol is Loser On Line, good work mattilius, you've just added your name to the ever-growing #debian LOL List. |
| 03:51.28 | abrotman | oenek: no |
| 03:51.32 | TCW | dpkg, bastard! :p |
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| 03:51.32 | dpkg | TCW: are you smoking crack? |
| 03:51.38 | rixth | Opinion time! What do you think the best accountint package is? |
| 03:51.39 | abrotman | oenek: what does that matter? |
| 03:51.45 | oenek | abrotman: while we're on the subject of stupid religious wars |
| 03:51.45 | abrotman | rixth: there isn't one |
| 03:51.48 | gravity | rixth: Is there more than one? |
| 03:51.58 | lakcaj | rixth, look at GnuCash |
| 03:52.00 | abrotman | oenek: this is not a religious war .. knoppix is not debian .. it's a fact |
| 03:52.01 | rixth | gravity, abrotman: I was thinking GNUCash |
| 03:52.12 | slocate | does exim4 still use /etc/exim.conf or /etc/exim4.conf.template now? |
| 03:52.15 | oenek | abrotman: knoppix is debian based FACT |
| 03:52.17 | abrotman | rixth: dunno .. it imports my bank stuff |
| 03:52.19 | TCW | dpkg, not recently... but... wanny invite me to join you? .oO( is "it" lisa-capable? *g* ) |
| 03:52.20 | dpkg | TCW: that's too long |
| 03:52.20 | gravity | rixth: I don't know if there's another. There's grisby I guess, but I don't know if it's good or even useable outside Europe |
| 03:52.21 | oenek | abrotman: hah! |
| 03:52.32 | abrotman | oenek: right . it's not debian .. and now you're just being an ass |
| 03:52.34 | rbrenart | Hey guys, I'm stumped with sound in gnome on a debian unstable laptop... anyone here able to help? |
| 03:52.41 | mattilius | abrotman, well, Redhat is most definatly not debian either. But a _LOT_ of what i learned with it carried over to debian quite well. |
| 03:52.51 | mattilius | The point is really worth arguing? |
| 03:52.54 | gravity | rbrenart: All sound or just specific apps? |
| 03:52.58 | oenek | abrotman: just joining the crowd you seem to lead |
| 03:52.59 | rixth | I'm apt-getting GNUcash now, I'll report back. I just need to do basic accounting for the Young Enterpirse Scheme. |
| 03:53.08 | abrotman | mattilius: i disagree ... RH does some weird stuff :) |
| 03:53.11 | zeeble | oenek: if something is "based" on something, does'nt mean it is something. if they were the same, they'd have no separate #$foo. as you suggested, its best to turn it off. |
| 03:53.20 | abrotman | oenek: i have no idea |
| 03:53.26 | mattilius | abrotman, :) |
| 03:53.30 | TCW | <- gone |
| 03:53.31 | pabs3 | has anyone else experienced #137989 recently? |
| 03:53.38 | mattilius | what? |
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| 03:53.42 | Phated | I AM NOT A NUMBER, I AM A FREE MAN! |
| 03:53.48 | mattilius | No |
| 03:53.48 | Phated | (I had to do that, sorreeee.) |
| 03:53.53 | mattilius | Your a free number. get it straight :) |
| 03:53.56 | pabs3 | :) |
| 03:54.05 | rixth | <PROTECTED> |
| 03:54.13 | rixth | How can I fix that error? |
| 03:54.13 | rbrenart | gravity... just some apps, including the system sounds (sorry don't know how to send message private) |
| 03:54.17 | abrotman | mattilius: you're |
| 03:54.29 | Phated | abrotman: Screw that. I'm off to look at Keanu Reeves. |
| 03:54.32 | gravity | rbrenart: Don't /msg my anyway. I'm not the best at sound stuff so I may not be able to help. |
| 03:54.33 | mattilius | abrotman, ... sounds like a slashdotter to me |
| 03:54.35 | abrotman | Phated: nudity ? |
| 03:54.47 | abrotman | mattilius: who does? |
| 03:54.52 | rixth | rbrenart: You private message by typing /msg username message |
| 03:54.54 | Phated | abrotman: Probably censored, I'll rent uncensored when the DVD comes out. |
| 03:54.59 | abrotman | heh |
| 03:55.05 | mattilius | abrotman, abrotman: mattilius: you're |
| 03:55.06 | oenek | zeeble: This is like Emacs vs. Xemacs |
| 03:55.07 | gravity | rbrenart: Do you have esnd running? |
| 03:55.10 | gravity | I hope they got off htat |
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| 03:55.25 | scarynetworkguy | oenek: Yeah. Two different things. |
| 03:55.29 | abrotman | mattilius: sitting here too much |
| 03:55.30 | rixth | <PROTECTED> |
| 03:55.32 | zeeble | oenek: :) and as you said above, its pointless. btw, i use xemacs :p |
| 03:55.36 | oenek | oenek: but all that different |
| 03:55.39 | rbrenart | Basically here's what I know... I have some sounds, kmix works, alsa stuff seems to work, but if I try to use the volume meter built into gnome, it always turns itself back down, and if I go to the system config and try to play a sound, no joy |
| 03:55.41 | oenek | *LMAO* |
| 03:55.48 | rbrenart | I don't know if esnd is running, how can I verify? |
| 03:55.51 | mattilius | abrotman, lol. You are on a LOT. ive been on with a couple different unames. You are always here :) |
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| 03:55.52 | oenek | scarynetworkguy I mean |
| 03:55.52 | gravity | rbrenart: Do these apps give you an error at all? |
| 03:55.58 | abrotman | i just spent 45 minutes explaining the obvious to a moron instead of helping people . . i feel robbed |
| 03:56.02 | gravity | rbrenart: Don't worry about that now, sorry. Do they give an error? |
| 03:56.09 | abrotman | mattilius: sorry |
| 03:56.10 | gravity | abrotman: /ignore |
| 03:56.22 | abrotman | gravity: i'm not even addressing him anymore |
| 03:56.22 | mattilius | abrotman, dont be sorry, you didn't offend |
| 03:56.31 | abrotman | mattilius: not you anyways :) |
| 03:56.38 | scarynetworkguy | oenek: Are yoy planning on making sense sometime soon? |
| 03:56.41 | gravity | rbrenart: Talk in the channel please, not in /msg |
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| 03:56.47 | mattilius | abrotman, eh, who cares who's offended? |
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| 03:56.54 | oenek | oh god hah hah only on #debian |
| 03:56.58 | abrotman | mattilius: some people here do |
| 03:57.01 | kh4nh | hi guys |
| 03:57.12 | mattilius | abrotman, i know. Im just being funny. Trying, at least. |
| 03:57.14 | rbrenart | if I just launch the volume control in gnome I get "Sorry, no mixer elements and/or devices found" |
| 03:57.30 | abrotman | mattilius: sorry .. it's about that time :) |
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| 03:57.41 | abrotman | rbrenart: your alsa is broken |
| 03:57.43 | mattilius | btw |
| 03:57.51 | mattilius | mattilius is short for Marcus Attilius |
| 03:57.51 | gravity | rbrenart: Ok, open up the multimedia systems selector control in the advanced section of your gnome preferences menu |
| 03:57.53 | abrotman | gstreamer-alsa i think is required |
| 03:57.57 | mattilius | if anyone cares |
| 03:58.00 | abrotman | mattilius: et tu ? |
| 03:58.04 | gravity | abrotman: I think that's probably it |
| 03:58.04 | kh4nh | got a question about symbolic link, can anyone help me? |
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| 03:58.12 | abrotman | mattilius: but you're from maine :) |
| 03:58.18 | lakcaj | rbrenart, do you have the alsa-oss package installed? |
| 03:58.25 | rbrenart | Ok, both options are set to OSS - Open Sound System, and my only other choice is Custom |
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| 03:58.28 | abrotman | gravity: wait .. can you yell at me when you say that :) |
| 03:58.37 | gravity | abrotman: I wasn't yelling at you :-) |
| 03:58.38 | mattilius | abrotman, lol. Not my real name. Marcus Attilius was the Aquarius of the Augustus aquaduct, about the time of Pompeii |
| 03:58.41 | gravity | I wasn't yelling at anyone |
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| 03:58.48 | rbrenart | yes, alsa-oss is installed |
| 03:58.53 | kh4nh | symbolic link anyone? |
| 03:58.54 | gravity | rbrenart: Ok, I think abrotman is right. Install the gstreamer-alsa package |
| 03:58.57 | abrotman | mattilius: i feel bad i don't know that .. i was a history major for a bit |
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| 03:59.08 | abrotman | with concentration in roman history |
| 03:59.26 | mattilius | Maybe I'm just on crack though |
| 03:59.31 | gravity | kh4nh: Just ask your question. If someone can answer you they will |
| 03:59.31 | chipheo | guys, how to install .deb file? |
| 03:59.34 | mattilius | im only a first year college student |
| 03:59.36 | gravity | chipheo: dpkg -i |
| 03:59.38 | abrotman | chipheo: man dpkg |
| 03:59.44 | abrotman | mattilius: where at? |
| 03:59.44 | chipheo | gravity, thanks |
| 03:59.58 | chipheo | sorry abrotman :-) |
| 04:00.00 | mattilius | abrotman, nowhere big. Kennebec Valley Community College. |
| 04:00.09 | abrotman | mattilius: my mom lives near belfast |
| 04:00.12 | gravity | chipheo: You should take his advice. Reading the dpkg manpage at least briefly is wise |
| 04:00.15 | mattilius | abrotman, getting an associates in Computer Applications Tech |
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| 04:00.23 | abrotman | mattilius: i bought my car in waterville |
| 04:00.27 | kh4nh | is there any difference between "ln -s .themes/ .icons" and "ln -s .themes .icons" |
| 04:00.29 | abrotman | watertown .. |
| 04:00.29 | mattilius | abrotman, really? |
| 04:00.32 | abrotman | whatever it is |
| 04:00.34 | abrotman | mattilius: really |
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| 04:00.38 | chipheo | gravity, thanks again, I will read it now |
| 04:00.38 | rbrenart | gstreamer-alsa tells me no candidate version exists |
| 04:00.38 | mattilius | waterville, near Oakland |
| 04:00.46 | gravity | kh4nh: Nope |
| 04:00.49 | mattilius | about half an hour from augusta |
| 04:00.50 | abrotman | mattilius: near augusta . whatever it's called |
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| 04:00.56 | mattilius | you got it |
| 04:01.13 | abrotman | mattilius: yeah .. my mom teaches up there |
| 04:01.17 | gravity | rbrenart: Try gstreamer0.8-alsa |
| 04:01.24 | kh4nh | gravity: thanks, what does the "/" at the end for |
| 04:01.28 | abrotman | gravity: oh yeah .. i guess that would work better :) |
| 04:01.33 | gravity | kh4nh: Nothing in that case |
| 04:01.51 | gravity | kh4nh: If you wanted to link to something in that directory, say a file, you would add it after the / |
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| 04:02.23 | rbrenart | ah yeah, apt-cache is my friend, that's what it is |
| 04:02.28 | gravity | yep |
| 04:02.41 | mattilius | abrotman, What does she teach? |
| 04:02.41 | rbrenart | is this going to be a reload xserver thing? |
| 04:02.42 | kh4nh | gravity: what about other case, is there any significance with the / |
| 04:02.49 | gravity | rbrenart: I seriously doubt it |
| 04:02.52 | axiom242 | how do i read the CPU usage from `vmstat 1`? |
| 04:02.52 | abrotman | mattilius: she subs ... so everything :) |
| 04:02.53 | gravity | kh4nh: Nope |
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| 04:03.20 | gravity | kh4nh: It's just ignored by the shell (or ls) since you're obviously referring to the directory |
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| 04:03.47 | mattilius | abrotman, sweet. My sister teaches 4th grade. I'm thinking about teaching something computer-related. Probably high-school level. |
| 04:03.51 | kh4nh | gravity: / doesn't do anything then, is that true |
| 04:03.55 | Reformed | Hi, how do you force a resync in Debian (software raid 1) when the state is "dirty"? Software RAID howto didn't tell me much but I could be missing it. |
| 04:04.02 | gravity | kh4nh: Do I have to say it again? |
| 04:04.04 | abrotman | mattilius: i thought about that too ... |
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| 04:04.15 | kh4nh | thanks |
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| 04:04.21 | gravity | No problem |
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| 04:04.25 | abrotman | mattilius: then i took a few teaching classes :) |
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| 04:04.32 | mattilius | abrotman, i love teaching people, and they seem to think im good at it. I don't even know what i want to do yet though |
| 04:04.39 | rbrenart | No joy, I can now open gnome-alsamixer through the volume bar, and I can choose ALSA in that advanced menu |
| 04:04.45 | abrotman | mattilius: well .. you're young .. :) |
| 04:04.53 | abrotman | no joy? |
| 04:04.55 | abrotman | that's bad? |
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| 04:04.59 | gravity | rbrenart: But no sound still? |
| 04:05.07 | c4__ | does someone knows where the hek is this file?: http://dri.sourceforge.net/snapshots/extras/XFree86.bz2 |
| 04:05.10 | mattilius | er, wtf? |
| 04:05.12 | rbrenart | but if I run test in that menu I get "Failed to construct test pipeline for 'ALSA - Advanced Linux Sound Architecture' |
| 04:05.17 | mattilius | i just created a directory in my home |
| 04:05.19 | debian | Reformed: sync doesn't help? |
| 04:05.25 | mattilius | and ran a tool under the same user, it created a subdir |
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| 04:05.36 | mattilius | and i get "access denied" when i try to ls it |
| 04:05.39 | mattilius | hmm... |
| 04:05.40 | gravity | rbrenart: Wow. You should google that error. I have no idea how to help you there. |
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| 04:06.08 | rbrenart | well it's a new error anyway, back to goole like you say, perhaps I'll be back |
| 04:06.09 | rbrenart | thanks |
| 04:06.17 | gravity | Good luck |
| 04:06.28 | mattilius | abrotman, im sure i'll figure it out. Whats wierd is everyone in my classes have kids/married/grandparent/ect. |
| 04:06.37 | mattilius | makes me feel like a kid again :D |
| 04:06.38 | abrotman | mattilius: eww ... :) |
| 04:06.47 | Reformed | debian: not syncing automatically.... is there some sort of mdadm switch I use to force it? |
| 04:07.04 | axiom242 | does anyone have megamon running on a debian dell system? |
| 04:07.14 | mattilius | megamon? |
| 04:07.18 | mattilius | !dpkg megamon |
| 04:07.21 | abrotman | megaraid monitor |
| 04:07.23 | mattilius | !megamon |
| 04:07.31 | abrotman | !info megamon |
| 04:07.37 | abrotman | no! |
| 04:07.41 | mattilius | i wish i had raid |
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| 04:07.45 | mattilius | damn ants |
| 04:07.46 | abrotman | i have raid ... |
| 04:07.47 | mattilius | :) |
| 04:07.52 | abrotman | not at home |
| 04:07.57 | c4__ | can someone help me with my ATI video board? |
| 04:08.07 | mattilius | sure. not much personal exp though |
| 04:08.13 | abrotman | c4__: /msg dpkg ati drivers |
| 04:08.15 | mattilius | whats the problem? |
| 04:08.29 | c4__ | abrotman: that didn't work |
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| 04:08.43 | mattilius | whats the issue? |
| 04:08.46 | gravity | c4__: Just ask your question and if someone can help you they will |
| 04:08.57 | c4__ | gravity: ok |
| 04:09.04 | c4__ | Xlib: extension "GLX" missing on display ":0.0". |
| 04:09.15 | c4__ | i can't get 3D aceleration |
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| 04:09.21 | c4__ | DRI is not loading |
| 04:09.28 | mattilius | did you install the catalyst drivers from ATI? |
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| 04:09.38 | mattilius | and set your Display0 to use it? |
| 04:09.42 | gravity | Ew... ATI proprietary drivers |
| 04:09.51 | axiom242 | no i am running megamon fine, but the load is always around 0.17-0.25 |
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| 04:10.02 | mattilius | gravity, hey, if it works |
| 04:10.11 | c4__ | and the last thing i haven't tried yet is to find that damn XFree86.bz2 file |
| 04:10.11 | abrotman | gravity: you have to for newer ati stuff |
| 04:10.17 | abrotman | c4__: which card? |
| 04:10.17 | gravity | mattilius: The sad thing is that usually it doesn't |
| 04:10.20 | mattilius | gravity, im using windows networking drivers... ndiswrapper |
| 04:10.21 | mattilius | lol |
| 04:10.25 | abrotman | eww |
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| 04:10.31 | c4__ | gravity: i am using that but doesnt load the dri |
| 04:10.33 | mattilius | Only choice i have. |
| 04:10.36 | gravity | mattilius: Yeah, I'm using ndis. I hate it, but it works. ATI drivers are a perpetual source of pain |
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| 04:10.43 | abrotman | eww |
| 04:10.44 | abrotman | c4__: which card? |
| 04:10.54 | gravity | abrotman: There's VESA mode, which I used for a year or so before Debian's X caught up |
| 04:10.54 | mattilius | gravity, so i've heard. My laptop has some crappy radeon wannabe |
| 04:11.02 | gravity | mattilius: Me too. The IGP? |
| 04:11.07 | mattilius | gravity, yep |
| 04:11.10 | gravity | Same |
| 04:11.21 | gravity | mattilius: Keith Packard personally went "Ew!" when I told him that was what I had |
| 04:11.24 | gravity | So I know it sucks :-) |
| 04:11.30 | mattilius | my desktop has a geforce2 |
| 04:11.31 | abrotman | gravity: XFree 4.3 has an accelerated driver for certain cards .. |
| 04:11.44 | mattilius | abrotman, yea, but glxgears only gets you below 200fps |
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| 04:11.51 | c4__ | abrotman: is integrated in an asus mother, the manual says radeon 9200 and sometimes says 9100 |
| 04:12.09 | abrotman | hmm .. i don't think dri covers that one .. maybe ask #dri ? |
| 04:12.11 | gravity | abrotman: Yeah, unfortunately it's not for mine. I think X.org has mine |
| 04:12.12 | tiko | :-) |
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| 04:12.22 | c4__ | abrotman: the mother is P4R400VM |
| 04:12.29 | SelfD | hello |
| 04:12.34 | abrotman | gravity: maybe since you're a DD you can sarge out the door eh? :) |
| 04:12.46 | mattilius | gravity, too bad though, as my CPU is 2.8 ghz, and my ram 512mb DDR |
| 04:12.47 | gravity | abrotman: I have no idea how to help, although I did my part when d-i was the blocker |
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| 04:13.01 | gravity | mattilius: What kind of laptop is it? |
| 04:13.07 | SelfD | we got any exim experts in here? |
| 04:13.14 | mattilius | hp pavillion 5730us |
| 04:13.17 | abrotman | gravity: depends on what you can do .. /topic #debian-bugs shows the stuff still needing to be fixed :) |
| 04:13.20 | gravity | Ah |
| 04:13.28 | dondelelcaro | SelfD: you can just ask, but try #exim first |
| 04:13.31 | gravity | abrotman: Yeah, I helped out with the last BSP. |
| 04:13.35 | SelfD | k |
| 04:13.36 | abrotman | ah .. gotcha |
| 04:13.37 | gravity | Er... second to last |
| 04:13.45 | mattilius | its a good laptop |
| 04:13.45 | gravity | abrotman: Most all those bugs are beyond me |
| 04:13.50 | mattilius | hot and noisy though |
| 04:13.53 | c4__ | (WW) fglrx(0): *********************************************** |
| 04:13.54 | gravity | mattilius: I have a Lifebook, which I love |
| 04:13.54 | c4__ | (WW) fglrx(0): * DRI initialization failed! * |
| 04:13.54 | c4__ | (WW) fglrx(0): * (maybe driver kernel module missing or bad) * |
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| 04:14.09 | mattilius | acpi is bad though. It constantly reports to acpid that my CPU is running at 65.0C |
| 04:14.18 | mattilius | at least the battery works perfectly though |
| 04:14.21 | dondelelcaro | c4__: please don't paste here |
| 04:14.23 | abrotman | c4__: poke your head in #ati |
| 04:14.25 | c4__ | i've tried with the kernels driver too |
| 04:14.27 | mattilius | and the fans are controlled in hardware |
| 04:14.29 | c4__ | aah, ok ok |
| 04:14.38 | c4__ | ok abrotman |
| 04:14.54 | abrotman | dondelelcaro: got a frozen tuna handy? |
| 04:15.11 | mattilius | !fish everyone |
| 04:15.21 | dondelelcaro | abrotman: no... I use chainsaws to enforce my will, not lametroid bitchx scripts |
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| 04:15.27 | abrotman | dondelelcaro: heh |
| 04:15.44 | mattilius | !info fish |
| 04:15.53 | dondelelcaro | mattilius: stop abusing the bot, please. |
| 04:16.12 | mattilius | if you say that was abuse |
| 04:16.16 | abrotman | heh |
| 04:16.38 | c4__ | damn all sleeping in #ati |
| 04:16.47 | SelfD | ok, no one in #exim wants to talk :/, I'll ask here, has anyone had any unauthorized relaying with exim? |
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| 04:17.08 | c4__ | fuck atis mother |
| 04:17.14 | abrotman | mattilius: not when it's your bot dying |
| 04:17.27 | abrotman | c4__: they have one? |
| 04:17.36 | dondelelcaro | mattilius: you can /msg the bot. It's just annoying to see it in channel. |
| 04:17.49 | RedPenguin | Anyone remember how to do an /amsg? |
| 04:17.50 | mattilius | abrotman, i thought CEOs reproduced asexually |
| 04:17.57 | abrotman | dunno |
| 04:17.58 | mattilius | dondelelcaro, ok |
| 04:18.08 | c4__ | abrotman: influence of southpark in here |
| 04:18.17 | abrotman | c4__: oh .. got lots of that |
| 04:18.19 | c4__ | what means uncle fucker? |
| 04:18.33 | c4__ | no, sorry, this is not the chanel |
| 04:18.38 | RedPenguin | Damn I need to make X-Chat did /amsg only on one net. |
| 04:18.52 | oenek | canadian? |
| 04:18.55 | abrotman | dondelelcaro: you know .. |
| 04:19.12 | c4__ | now i get that |
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| 04:20.14 | itga | a question please :D |
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| 04:20.24 | dondelelcaro | itga: just ask |
| 04:20.34 | maher | itga: do the mapping class groups have property T? |
| 04:20.37 | anchovie | alright... I have just completed installing debian |
| 04:20.50 | zeeble | anchovie: congrats :) |
| 04:20.51 | shamu | suuure you have |
| 04:20.52 | mattilius | dondelelcaro, Well, i hate just asking. Kinda like walking into a room and asking everyone something without introducing yourself |
| 04:20.55 | shamu | nobody ever completes installing debian :-) |
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| 04:21.25 | anchovie | well... I "completed" the installation |
| 04:21.35 | shamu | where you chatting from, anchovie? |
| 04:21.36 | itga | howto patch debian kernel-patch package ? |
| 04:21.39 | mattilius | anchovie, you haven't installed anything untill you successfully install Gentoo through bootstrapping. Jeez that was "interesting" |
| 04:21.46 | dondelelcaro | itga: use make-kpkg |
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| 04:21.58 | anchovie | well... |
| 04:21.59 | anchovie | umm |
| 04:22.10 | itga | dondelelcaro: thanks |
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| 04:22.16 | anchovie | I'm not chatting from the debian machine =( |
| 04:22.16 | travisat | anchovie is somehwere in western america |
| 04:22.30 | anchovie | I am somewhere in western america |
| 04:22.31 | anchovie | hey |
| 04:22.36 | mattilius | whois is fun |
| 04:22.45 | anchovie | yeah, whois is cool |
| 04:22.58 | chipheo | bye all |
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| 04:23.48 | shamu | just recognized your dsl node name and ip prefix as somewhat local |
| 04:23.48 | mattilius | On an OT note... |
| 04:23.50 | anchovie | I'm situated in california, but I'm actually chatting from a windows machine (ACK!) |
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| 04:23.57 | mattilius | anyone else here think forging chainmail is cool? |
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| 04:24.12 | mattilius | i need to get me some tools |
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| 04:24.28 | jEditUser | who is the simpsons gay? |
| 04:24.31 | dondelelcaro | mattilius: you don't forge chain mail. You weave it... |
| 04:24.37 | zeeble | heh |
| 04:24.45 | shamu | and then you forward it on to five other friends :-) |
| 04:24.47 | dondelelcaro | mattilius: and hopefully you've got a lot of time on your hands... |
| 04:24.51 | mattilius | dondelelcaro, ... dont forget the /pendantic :) |
| 04:24.52 | zeeble | mithril coat |
| 04:24.54 | mattilius | TOO much time |
| 04:24.59 | oenek | jEditUser: What java package are you using? |
| 04:25.09 | mattilius | I know someone who forges swords out of carbon steel |
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| 04:25.22 | anchovie | oh dude... that's awesome |
| 04:25.22 | mattilius | Ever swung a 4.6 foot blade? Fun. |
| 04:25.26 | jEditUser | oenek: jedit.org |
| 04:25.32 | gravity | insane |
| 04:25.38 | mattilius | One of his friends works wood and weaves. He makes hilts |
| 04:25.44 | plhofmei | hello everyone....does anyone know about Linux Kernel Character codepages? |
| 04:25.53 | mattilius | and one of his OTHER friends works leather |
| 04:26.10 | dli | can I for a .deb to install all files to a directory, like chroot to a dir ? |
| 04:26.16 | dli | s/for/force/g |
| 04:26.24 | itga | dondelelcaro: modetail to use make-kpkg, please :P |
| 04:26.28 | mattilius | this kids only 16 and he can work an anvil. Sucks for him though, none of the trade schools will take him that young because of liability issues |
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| 04:26.36 | dondelelcaro | itga: what? |
| 04:26.38 | gravity | dli: No, not without setting up a chroot |
| 04:26.42 | oenek | jEditUser: yeah I know but is there an easy way to obtain the IBM Java SDK? |
| 04:26.43 | shamu | no american trade schools, I'm guessing |
| 04:26.44 | itga | dondelelcaro: more detail to use make-kpkg, please :P |
| 04:27.02 | oenek | jEditUser: something that avoid their resgistration system? |
| 04:27.05 | jEditUser | oenek: why not Sun JRE? |
| 04:27.07 | mattilius | shamu, right. He probably hasn't looked outside of US. He hasn't left the county before |
| 04:27.11 | dondelelcaro | itga: read /usr/share/doc/make-kpkg/*; /msg dpkg kp mantra; man make-kpkg; |
| 04:27.13 | itga | I wanna patch promise 150 RAID with sarge |
| 04:27.26 | shamu | hey, he could make a run for the border |
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| 04:27.30 | dli | gravity: maybe the other way, how do I set up a debian bootcd, with may own kernel, and packages? |
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| 04:27.33 | mattilius | shamu, lol |
| 04:27.37 | itga | <PROTECTED> |
| 04:27.39 | dondelelcaro | itga: it's all there. make-kpkg is moderately complex, but once you learn the command to patch and unpatch, it's fairly simple. |
| 04:27.40 | oenek | jEditUser: yeah thats what I'll probably end up using |
| 04:27.42 | jEditUser | oenek: ftp://www.mononeurona.org/pub/java/ |
| 04:27.54 | oenek | jEditUser: thanks |
| 04:28.03 | plhofmei | when i try to load a VFAT i get this message: Unable to load NLS charset cp437 |
| 04:28.04 | gravity | dli: Check wiki.debian.net for info on creating a version of d-i with a custom kernel |
| 04:28.04 | itga | dondelelcaro: usefull, thanks again |
| 04:28.04 | oenek | I miss my jEdit :-( |
| 04:28.16 | mattilius | plhofmei, thats the standard windows filesystem codepage |
| 04:28.16 | dondelelcaro | itga: np |
| 04:28.25 | mattilius | plhofmei, it can be built into the kernel or as a module |
| 04:28.33 | anchovie | is my monitor supposed to turn off randomely? |
| 04:28.36 | anchovie | powersave feature? |
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| 04:28.43 | mattilius | anchovie, does it turn off when your using it? |
| 04:28.44 | octavious | if it is configured to |
| 04:28.52 | mattilius | hehe i wish they could be set to "random: |
| 04:28.57 | mattilius | have some fun at class |
| 04:28.58 | anchovie | no, it is a powersave feature, I just pressed a button on the keyboard |
| 04:29.04 | xpurple | Can linux SMP change the cpu a process is running on dymanicly? |
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| 04:29.08 | plhofmei | mattilius: I have built it in to the kernel....i still get an error |
| 04:29.11 | dondelelcaro | xpurple: yes |
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| 04:29.25 | mattilius | plhofmei, are you SURE? |
| 04:29.29 | shamu | I once checked a sony -- it can dim the screen, but it can also 'bloink' off the yoke |
| 04:29.31 | nvz | anchovie: not randomly |
| 04:29.32 | dondelelcaro | xpurple: however, a good scheduler doesn't do that often. |
| 04:29.40 | shamu | once it does that, it uses almost zero power |
| 04:29.41 | plhofmei | mattilius: CONFIG_NLS_CODEPAGE_437=y |
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| 04:29.52 | anchovie | does anyone here run kde under debian? |
| 04:29.58 | mattilius | plhofmei, did you copy the system.map and everything? |
| 04:30.02 | shamu | I do |
| 04:30.04 | xpurple | dondelelcaro: Ahh, I'm watching top and seeing them move. I've never noticed that before. |
| 04:30.13 | mattilius | plhofmei, ive never had trouble. I use fat and ntfs all the time |
| 04:30.15 | gravity | anchovie: Just ask your question. If someone can answer it they will |
| 04:30.17 | nvz | I have noticed since I got my Sony Playstation controller working with linux now, that playing games with an input js doesnt count for screen blanking |
| 04:30.18 | anchovie | shamu, how's it running |
| 04:30.20 | anchovie | ? |
| 04:30.21 | nvz | anchovie: #debian-kde |
| 04:30.23 | mattilius | plhofmei, and i really don't know what im doing |
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| 04:30.29 | nvz | anchovie: there is a special channel for it :P |
| 04:30.30 | dli | gravity, I don't need installer, just a bootcd :) |
| 04:30.32 | anchovie | nvz: thanks |
| 04:30.42 | plhofmei | mattilius: I just compiled my own 2.6.10 tonight if it make any difference |
| 04:30.45 | gravity | dli: Like a LiveCD? |
| 04:30.45 | dondelelcaro | xpurple: yeah, there's a cost to it, which is why it doesn't happen often... |
| 04:30.46 | travisat | shamu: a fitting name for a fitting system, I bet you have a whale of a time with it |
| 04:30.51 | gravity | dli: I don't know what you mean by a bootcd |
| 04:30.53 | shamu | 192MB 800Mhz PIII (Coppermine), sarge -- works smoothly |
| 04:30.58 | mattilius | plhofmei, did you follow the instructions for installation to the letter? |
| 04:30.59 | plhofmei | mattilius: and about the system.map....i use make-kpkg |
| 04:31.04 | shamu | I'm ircII'ing you from a konsole |
| 04:31.09 | dli | gravity: no, with my own kernel, and openmosix |
| 04:31.12 | mattilius | plhofmei, oh. Well, i don't know what is going in |
| 04:31.22 | shamu | oh I didn't know that |
| 04:31.22 | gravity | dli: Google for Custom Debian Distribution, or check the wiki for CDD |
| 04:31.35 | mattilius | plhofmei, does make-kpkg install the kernel? i thought it only packaged it or something |
| 04:31.52 | gravity | mattilius: Right. It makes a deb out of it. You install it |
| 04:31.55 | plhofmei | mattilius: it makes it in to a nice .deb file, which you use dpkg to install |
| 04:32.00 | mattilius | plhofmei, i always make menuconfig then run this: make && make modules && make modules install" |
| 04:32.17 | mattilius | then copy it all by hand and edit grubs menu.lst |
| 04:32.37 | dli | gravity: maybe, I will just manually copy all files in the .deb to the dir, and make the bootcd :( I'm using bick now |
| 04:33.11 | mattilius | plhofmei, i forget how, but theres a way you can CAT a gzipped .config out of your running kernel |
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| 04:33.25 | mattilius | you can use that to check i thin |
| 04:33.43 | mattilius | think |
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| 04:33.50 | shamu | you can if the option's been enabled during the kernel compile. I'm not sure it's enabled in the stock kernels |
| 04:33.52 | mattilius | How can i check my free disk space from the CLI? |
| 04:33.57 | gravity | mattilius: df |
| 04:34.00 | dli | mattilius, /proc/config.gz |
| 04:34.02 | oenek | debian usually stores old .configs in boot/ |
| 04:34.07 | plhofmei | mattilius: with 2.6.10 i enabled the option to make the config in /proc |
| 04:34.11 | mattilius | shamu, it should in my opinion. What can it hurt? |
| 04:34.23 | plhofmei | want me to DCC it mattilius? |
| 04:34.30 | mattilius | dcc? |
| 04:34.49 | rbrenart | Hey, to the guys who were helping me with sound earlier... the missing link was to run gst-register-0.8 and then reboot (the forums I read all said an XServer restart should've been enough, but that made things go haywire, then a reboot cleared them up)... things aren't perfect yet, but I'm passing those tests in the streamer selection part |
| 04:35.01 | plhofmei | send you the file via DCC |
| 04:35.19 | mattilius | nah. can you put it up on FTP or something somewhere? |
| 04:35.23 | mattilius | i dont want to punch my firewall |
| 04:35.32 | peterS | mattilius: depends on whether the kernel was compiled with it. the feature exists in 2.6 kernels only. the file is /proc/config.gz, or was last I knew |
| 04:36.01 | gravity | rbrenart: Glad you got it working |
| 04:36.15 | plhofmei | # CONFIG_NLS_CODEPAGE_437 is not set |
| 04:36.21 | mattilius | hmm |
| 04:36.22 | plhofmei | that is from my proc/config.gz |
| 04:36.30 | plhofmei | but in the .config i built from |
| 04:36.32 | mattilius | you booted from the right kernel? |
| 04:36.33 | plhofmei | it is enabled! |
| 04:36.37 | plhofmei | yes! |
| 04:36.41 | mattilius | ok. |
| 04:36.42 | rbrenart | well I can't say working yet, I pass those tests, and volume works now, but, I still don't get sound in any of the places I was trying to get it, and in fact, have broken one application even more... but it's progress of sorts |
| 04:36.44 | mattilius | thats really strange |
| 04:36.45 | plhofmei | i used dpkg to install it |
| 04:36.47 | plhofmei | and |
| 04:36.54 | plhofmei | i manually rm'd the old kernel first |
| 04:36.58 | mattilius | ! |
| 04:37.02 | mattilius | you should never do that |
| 04:37.05 | plhofmei | i know |
| 04:37.06 | mattilius | make the old onea boot option |
| 04:37.09 | plhofmei | but i was desperate |
| 04:37.14 | plhofmei | plus |
| 04:37.19 | plhofmei | i have a working 2.4.26 kernel |
| 04:37.21 | plhofmei | in my lilo.conf |
| 04:38.04 | mattilius | so you had a fallback. |
| 04:38.04 | plhofmei | # CONFIG_NLS_ISO8859_1 is not set |
| 04:38.07 | zeeble | er, does www.kernel.org work for anyone? |
| 04:38.13 | plhofmei | # CONFIG_NLS_CODEPAGE_437 is not set |
| 04:38.15 | oenek | plhofmei: just use make oldconfig? |
| 04:38.26 | plhofmei | i use make menuconfig |
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| 04:38.36 | oenek | zeeble: I was having problems apt-geting from kernel.org |
| 04:38.39 | dli | zeeble, yeah, because you can patch whatever from kernel.org |
| 04:39.08 | zeeble | dli: actually, kernel.org is'nt taking me anywhere. |
| 04:39.14 | zeeble | oenek: ok. will look for a mirror :/ |
| 04:39.22 | dli | zeeble, blocked? |
| 04:39.26 | mattilius | plhofmei, do a "make clean" and a "make mrproper" |
| 04:39.30 | mattilius | reconfigure the kernel |
| 04:39.31 | plhofmei | i think i've found the problem....now i just have to figure out why the /proc/config.gz is different than the one in the build directory! |
| 04:39.34 | mattilius | and try again |
| 04:39.39 | plhofmei | nods |
| 04:39.41 | plhofmei | thanks all |
| 04:39.41 | zeeble | dli: do a http://www.kernel.org in your browser |
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| 04:39.52 | zeeble | dli: if you get anything, tell me. |
| 04:39.57 | mattilius | plhofmei, the one in /proc is the one contained in the running kernel |
| 04:39.58 | plhofmei | and thanks esp. mattilius |
| 04:40.07 | plhofmei | mattilius: nods |
| 04:40.07 | mattilius | np. Hope i helped |
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| 04:40.12 | shamu | yeah, it looks like www.kernel.org is down for me |
| 04:40.23 | dli | zeeble, I think they are loading 2.6.11 :) |
| 04:40.24 | lnxduk | anyone know which package the kernel man pages are in |
| 04:40.29 | oenek | kernel.org is down! Oh the horror |
| 04:40.39 | oenek | D-: |
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| 04:40.44 | zeeble | dli: yeah, and they have to take it down for that? :p *whack Whack* |
| 04:40.45 | mattilius | Im sure they will fix it. |
| 04:40.48 | shamu | ftp://ftp.kernel.org is reachable |
| 04:40.51 | mattilius | who would dare attack kernel.org |
| 04:40.59 | dli | lnxduk, there's no "man kernel" ? |
| 04:41.01 | zeeble | yeah. the ftp works fine. |
| 04:41.05 | hyde | can tcpdump be used to listen to packets that did not pass through its listening network interface? |
| 04:41.11 | mattilius | HTTP serv is probably just having tantrums |
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| 04:41.28 | lnxduk | dli: no I want the kernel man pages |
| 04:41.46 | lnxduk | like for kernel functions |
| 04:41.50 | dli | gravity, how do I install a .deb, with chroot to a dir? |
| 04:42.02 | oenek | hyde: promisc mode? |
| 04:42.12 | gravity | dli: You'd have to set up the chroot, chroot in to it, and dpkg -i |
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| 04:42.21 | oenek | hyde: is that what you're talking about? |
| 04:42.38 | hyde | oenek: yes. Not sure how to check it |
| 04:42.43 | dli | gravity, no, I only want the target dir be chroot |
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| 04:42.59 | shamu | apt-get install kernel-doc-version |
| 04:43.03 | oenek | ifconfig and check the flags of that interface its listening on |
| 04:43.16 | gravity | dli: I don't know if that's possible |
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| 04:43.25 | shamu | apt-get install kernel-doc-2.6.8, for example |
| 04:43.26 | oenek | hyde: you'll get a promisc flag |
| 04:43.27 | mattilius | hyde, set your interface to promiscouse mode. If its a switched network, you need some spoofing and/or ARP poison routing |
| 04:43.27 | mattilius | <disclaimer>only do that on your own network or with the admin's permission</disclaimer> |
| 04:43.35 | gravity | dli: Check the dpkg manpage. If it's possible, it's there |
| 04:43.42 | mattilius | i can tell you the principals if you really want me to, but i don't have any practical experience with it |
| 04:43.48 | jefferskn | anybody got time to help a total linux newbie install lucent winmodem drivers? |
| 04:43.58 | gravity | dli: If not, you're just going to want to move the files by hand. You can use dpkg -x to extract them |
| 04:44.12 | hyde | mattilius thanks |
| 04:44.15 | mattilius | .me knows spoofing is bad; spoofing breaks the internet |
| 04:44.21 | jefferskn | I got the drivers and instructions just don't understand the instructions |
| 04:44.33 | shamu | you sure you wouldn't rather buy a nice external modem and we'll help you install it instead? |
| 04:44.37 | dli | gravity: dpkg --instdir= |
| 04:44.41 | shamu | nice external modem ? hmm ??? |
| 04:44.48 | gravity | dli: Cool |
| 04:44.52 | jefferskn | thought about it |
| 04:45.01 | gravity | Learn something new every day |
| 04:45.14 | jefferskn | except this was a free laptop and already spending money getting it running |
| 04:45.36 | mattilius | how can i check my disk space with the CLI? |
| 04:45.37 | dli | gravity: openMosix needs only the kernel, and a userspace-tools package, maybe, it will work |
| 04:45.48 | gravity | mattilius: I just told you. df |
| 04:45.56 | mattilius | gravity, oh |
| 04:45.59 | mattilius | forgot :) |
| 04:46.14 | mattilius | ok, im off |
| 04:46.22 | mattilius | good luck hyde |
| 04:46.39 | micker | hey, I'm wondering if I can get some help.. I'm running sarge on sparc64 and I'm trying to use 'module-assistant' but I keep getting the error 'E: Couldn't find package kernel-headers-2.4.18'. Is there a way I can make those headers with make-kpkg or something? |
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| 04:48.06 | dli | gravity, --instdir works for dpkg :) |
| 04:48.27 | gravity | dli: Awesome :-) |
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| 04:49.00 | chugga | hello debian, i cant listen to music as a non root user, what permisiion needs checking? |
| 04:49.21 | gravity | chugga: adduser yourusername audio |
| 04:49.27 | gravity | chugga: Logout and then log back in |
| 04:49.41 | chugga | aw man, |
| 04:49.46 | chugga | dont wanna log out ;) |
| 04:49.56 | chugga | thats almost like rebooting windows |
| 04:49.57 | zeeble | well, you have to :p |
| 04:50.02 | chugga | ok :( |
| 04:52.07 | zeeble | anyone have an idea when ddd was created ? |
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| 04:52.29 | oenek | zeeble: 90' some time. I remember using it then |
| 04:52.54 | zeeble | oenek: ok. i'll hunt up. first used it in 98 |
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| 04:53.07 | oenek | if anyone knows how to tie ddd into gvim please tell me |
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| 04:53.32 | oenek | thats the only problem with gvim. No real integrated debugging support |
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| 04:55.35 | micker | so no one has any ideas on my modules-assistant' problem? |
| 04:56.31 | zeeble | oenek: do you use ddd with vim? |
| 04:57.09 | oenek | zeeble: yeah but its a pain |
| 04:57.33 | oenek | zeeble: vim is so nice once you sit down and really learn it |
| 04:57.33 | zeeble | oenek: heh. yeah. one of the reasons why xemacs ;p |
| 04:58.00 | De_Mon | whats ddd? |
| 04:58.14 | zeeble | De_Mon: debugger |
| 04:58.17 | oenek | zeeble: does DDD tie into xemacs? |
| 04:58.24 | De_Mon | thought so |
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| 04:58.43 | oenek | zeeble: so you have something of a borland like system? |
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| 04:59.08 | zeeble | oenek: yeah. works with xemacs. and yeah. it can be something like borland. |
| 04:59.13 | oenek | zeeble: set break points and step through the code one line at a time |
| 04:59.27 | zeeble | yes |
| 04:59.28 | oenek | zeeble: thats what I'd like |
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| 05:06.33 | reNegad3 | anyone know of sites that provide taskbar/panel textures, backround, ive looked around on google and kde-look.org...but cant seem to find anything, any suggestions how to phrase it better or anyone got a link for me please ;) |
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| 05:10.36 | kaplanfx | are there any speech recognition programs packaged for debian (preferably continuous speech)? |
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| 05:12.19 | Lord-Phoenix | how can i reinstall a single package? its already installed and has deps, but i want to just reinstall over the top |
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| 05:12.53 | kenboo | Lord-Cereburus, sphinx? |
| 05:12.59 | kenboo | oops Lord-Phoenix |
| 05:13.06 | Lord-Phoenix | sphinx? |
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| 05:13.49 | kenboo | sphinx2-bin is the package name |
| 05:14.18 | kenboo | OOPS |
| 05:14.31 | kenboo | sorry the answer was for kaplanfx |
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| 05:15.13 | Lord-Phoenix | oh |
| 05:16.10 | oenek | kaplanfx: check out festival |
| 05:16.28 | oenek | it might support that |
| 05:16.31 | oenek | don't know |
| 05:16.51 | chugga | why would it be a bad idea to add read/write permissions to /dev/dsp0? |
| 05:16.58 | chugga | (for the other) |
| 05:17.32 | kenboo | my guess is that festival is a synthesizer |
| 05:17.35 | peterS | chugga: because that allows your remote users to harass you at your local console by playing country music through your speakers |
| 05:17.45 | peterS | chugga: also, they can eavesdrop on your living room through your connected microphone |
| 05:17.47 | kenboo | haha |
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| 05:18.16 | peterS | kenboo: festival is a voice synthesizer specifically |
| 05:18.27 | jetscreamer | it's cool |
| 05:18.45 | chugga | Peters, dude that doesnt bother men :-/ |
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| 05:18.56 | jetscreamer | have it say "hello $user" on log in |
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| 05:19.08 | oenek | kaplanfx: http://sourceforge.net/projects/cmusphinx |
| 05:19.16 | oenek | kaplanfx: sphinx2 |
| 05:20.28 | chugga | peterS, ok, cheers man, |
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| 05:20.59 | peterS | jetscreamer: somebody collected a couple dozen voices in as many languages saying something like "welcome to debian in $this_language". he rigged it to play the appropriate sound after doing an auto-install in the specific language. then cycle through random language localized installs |
| 05:21.01 | jetscreamer | how do i limit bandwidth on a per-user basis cross-workstation |
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| 05:21.11 | peterS | jetscreamer: cool demo, I think, not that I've actually seen / heard it |
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| 05:21.45 | jetscreamer | no matter what workstation the user is logged into |
| 05:21.50 | TheZanke | how do i set the time and date of my debiuan pc? |
| 05:21.55 | TheZanke | debian* |
| 05:21.56 | jetscreamer | date |
| 05:22.00 | jetscreamer | man date |
| 05:22.06 | TheZanke | i did that |
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| 05:22.14 | kenboo | hwclock? ntp? |
| 05:22.14 | TheZanke | and i can't figure it out right |
| 05:22.16 | hogballs | Please run NTP support in the system to enable synchronisation of your local time server with internet time servers |
| 05:22.17 | kenboo | uh |
| 05:22.21 | jetscreamer | i installed ntp to deal with that |
| 05:22.28 | oenek | TheZanke: check out ntp |
| 05:22.28 | hogballs | my time is wrong |
| 05:22.36 | kenboo | timezone? |
| 05:22.44 | hogballs | its fine |
| 05:22.46 | hogballs | chicago |
| 05:22.47 | jetscreamer | tzconfig to change tz |
| 05:22.50 | oenek | TheZanke: so you don't end up like hogsballs |
| 05:23.07 | shamu | make sure ntp is still running -- 'ntpdc -p' should show you how far off you are from the time servers |
| 05:23.13 | hogballs | is there anyone in here? |
| 05:23.16 | jetscreamer | apt-get install ntp maybe |
| 05:23.18 | chealer | no |
| 05:23.23 | jetscreamer | no |
| 05:23.27 | hogballs | ok |
| 05:23.28 | oenek | just us bots |
| 05:23.34 | jetscreamer | !test hogballs |
| 05:23.35 | dpkg | Testing hogballs... PARITY ERROR - SYSTEM HALTED$#$ |
| 05:23.47 | chealer | dpkg is ignoring me |
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| 05:23.50 | chealer | !test |
| 05:24.03 | chealer | I made him forget too much stuff :) |
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| 05:24.22 | oenek | did you rape the bot again chealer? |
| 05:24.26 | peterS | chealer: you should have listened to her when she warned you to stop abusing her |
| 05:24.46 | chealer | peterS: yeah yeah...it's what oenek says, can't stop it |
| 05:25.09 | oenek | dpkg was asking for it |
| 05:25.10 | dpkg | oenek: i haven't a clue |
| 05:25.15 | oenek | I know |
| 05:25.23 | shamu | Didn't you watch that Futurama episode? DON'T DATE ROBOTS!!!! |
| 05:25.40 | peterS | chealer: next time you have a mass of deletes you'd like to do, forward them to Phated. she's handling bot housecleaning these days. or you could send it straight to dondelelcaro, the bot owner |
| 05:25.44 | oenek | not even Calculon? |
| 05:25.53 | oenek | or The Robot Devil? |
| 05:26.19 | chealer | peterS: not a mass cleaning, sometimes I used listkeys and check lots of factoids...out of which lots of outdated one |
| 05:26.20 | shamu | I guess those guys are ok. It's the Marilyn Monrobot you gotta watch out for, at least per the movie |
| 05:26.52 | hogballs | ntp is already the newest version. |
| 05:27.12 | jetscreamer | maybe you need to configure it |
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| 05:27.20 | jetscreamer | or run ntpdate |
| 05:27.34 | chealer | I'll report about my mental sanity when it will be a couple of days without dpkg |
| 05:27.36 | hogballs | !geek |
| 05:27.36 | dpkg | methinks geek is a circus performer who bites heads off of nevyns, or a chicken who performs the circus off of byte headers, or what GenericBoy is, and most other people in this channel, if they wish to be so called, or substract the sum of all boyfriends/girlfriends you have had from the number of computers you've ever owned. if the number is positive you're a geek. |
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| 05:27.52 | TheZanke | NTP version being claimed is 2 |
| 05:27.57 | TheZanke | is this right? |
| 05:28.06 | jetscreamer | hey i installed shfs got it working, but there is no sound in the bedroom when watching movies |
| 05:28.28 | chugga | ok so guys, i still cant play audio as non root - whats going on - i did su user and ran it that way, |
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| 05:28.33 | deadcat | i want to add "nameserver 10.10.10.1" to line 2 of my /etc/resolv.conf from command line. whats the trick? |
| 05:28.37 | jetscreamer | is there a sound_over_the_local_net thing i don't know about? |
| 05:29.09 | hogballs | howto robot |
| 05:29.23 | dli | deadcat, echo " " >> |
| 05:29.28 | jake | Is tehre a way to find out what options a module was loaded with? I am tryiong to set options for the module lirc_serial, so that when i boot, its loaded correctly |
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| 05:30.27 | deadcat | dli: no, line1 is search domain, line2 3 4 is nameserver blah already |
| 05:30.45 | hogballs | should i uninstall-reinstall ntp? |
| 05:30.50 | jetscreamer | no |
| 05:30.59 | jetscreamer | you should get it to work |
| 05:31.16 | deadcat | jake: check /etc/modutil*.d |
| 05:31.22 | jetscreamer | did you give it any timeservers? |
| 05:31.37 | hogballs | debianhog:/home/hogballs# ntpdate |
| 05:31.37 | hogballs | bash: ntpdate: command not found |
| 05:31.37 | hogballs | debianhog:/home/hogballs# ./ntpdate |
| 05:31.37 | hogballs | bash: ./ntpdate: No such file or directory |
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| 05:31.55 | deadcat | hoover: whereis ntpdate |
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| 05:31.57 | hogballs | sorry |
| 05:32.22 | jetscreamer | <PROTECTED> |
| 05:32.24 | hogballs | it is in flood now |
| 05:32.34 | shamu | ntpdate isn't part of the base install |
| 05:32.34 | deadcat | hoover: no. this is #debian |
| 05:32.47 | shamu | ntpdc -p -- what does that give you? an error or a list of stuff? |
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| 05:33.02 | hogballs | shamu, hold on |
| 05:33.28 | deadcat | i need a trick to add "nameserver 10.10.10.1" into the line2 of my file with 4 lines |
| 05:33.30 | hogballs | debianhog:/home/hogballs# ntpdc -p |
| 05:33.30 | hogballs | ntpdc: read: Connection refused |
| 05:33.42 | shamu | your ntpd isn't running |
| 05:33.43 | hogballs | is there a 3 line limit here? |
| 05:33.49 | hogballs | room rules ? |
| 05:33.56 | jetscreamer | !win hogballs |
| 05:33.56 | dpkg | Congratulations, hogballs! You have won a one way ticket to Cuba! |
| 05:33.58 | shamu | first, you need to set your clock to within 15 minutes of the actual time |
| 05:33.58 | deadcat | hoover: /topic |
| 05:34.16 | jetscreamer | hooverbaby |
| 05:34.33 | hogballs | ok |
| 05:34.37 | jetscreamer | whadda hoooot |
| 05:35.08 | hogballs | it says am not pm like it supposed to |
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| 05:35.14 | shamu | once you've set your clock to within 15 minutes of the actual time (via 'date') |
| 05:35.15 | hogballs | there is no option in gui gnome |
| 05:35.28 | hogballs | that I see that is |
| 05:35.35 | hogballs | command? |
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| 05:36.14 | hogballs | anyone have a command? what should i nail in the console to get the sync service to work |
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| 05:36.36 | hogballs | sync hurts my hand to type. . |
| 05:37.15 | hogballs | shamu, ok |
| 05:37.22 | hogballs | im there... |
| 05:37.24 | enolay | I need help with a missing cursor - I've had the problem with both SuSE 9.0 and Mepis (2004.06), anyone know how I could possibly fix this? I know you debian guys are pro compared to some of the guys who use other linux distros. I was here last night, I tried debian so PLZ I need your expertise |
| 05:37.50 | hogballs | A.M. not P.M like it shoudl |
| 05:38.02 | hogballs | i think it is annoying |
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| 05:38.18 | hogballs | it happens when i boot |
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| 05:39.02 | hogballs | enolay, be patient they are thinking] |
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| 05:39.17 | hogballs | i got a flood someone should look at |
| 05:39.21 | hogballs | join #flood |
| 05:39.26 | TheZanke | okay i installed ntp and ntp-simple and ntpd is running but my clock is stll wrong in /etc/ntp.conf the server is set to pool.ntp.org |
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| 05:39.59 | tchino | i want to install an ipod mp3-player under debian, is that possible to install that, when i only have a usb1.1 port, when it have an usb-port2.0 |
| 05:40.03 | shamu | ok, now can you run ntpdc -pn ? |
| 05:40.12 | shamu | does it give you an error? |
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| 05:40.18 | hogballs | just a sec |
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| 05:40.32 | TheZanke | ntpdc: read: Connection refused |
| 05:40.34 | hogballs | connectino refused |
| 05:40.42 | hogballs | that is error enough or me |
| 05:40.53 | TheZanke | open udp 123? |
| 05:40.58 | shamu | your clock is still too far off from the actual time |
| 05:41.13 | Alien_Dude1 | I have a question about apt-get |
| 05:41.14 | hogballs | i know because im stuck in am not pm |
| 05:41.27 | hogballs | i do not know how to set time in linux |
| 05:41.32 | hogballs | ok? |
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| 05:41.42 | hogballs | the gui is stupid |
| 05:41.42 | shamu | try using the date command : date 02212140 ( feb 22, 9:40pm) |
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| 05:41.52 | TheZanke | date command says Tue Feb 22 05:41:31 EST 2005 the actual time here is 12:41 AM |
| 05:41.57 | gravity | hogballs: The last time I did it I just googled for it. There's a good page or two out there on it |
| 05:41.59 | zeeble | oh boy. i cant believe how good this Open Journal Systems software is :/ |
| 05:42.03 | Alien_Dude1 | how do you ue apt-get on user account? |
| 05:42.06 | gravity | hogballs: Also, gnome-system-tools has an app that lets you do it |
| 05:42.27 | gravity | Alien_Dude1: You can't. You can set up sudo and use it to give temporary root privledges to a user |
| 05:42.33 | zeeble | Alien_Dude1: you dont. use sudo apt-get install/upgrade |
| 05:42.47 | Alien_Dude1 | how do I do that? |
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| 05:43.00 | gravity | Alien_Dude1: Install sudo and read man sudoers |
| 05:43.17 | gravity | Alien_Dude1: Also man sudo |
| 05:43.23 | bobessutio | how can i figure out how much free space i have on my drive? |
| 05:43.32 | gravity | bobessutio: df |
| 05:43.55 | bobessutio | gracias |
| 05:44.04 | hogballs | i change it to 11 pm and the clock in the corner changes from 11:51 am to 5:51pm |
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| 05:44.18 | hogballs | whats going on here |
| 05:44.24 | gravity | hogballs: Timezones |
| 05:44.25 | hogballs | time is essence |
| 05:44.27 | shamu | that's fine for now ... that's just a timezone thing |
| 05:44.32 | hogballs | chicago is selected |
| 05:44.34 | hogballs | central |
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| 05:44.53 | peterS | hogballs: quite possibly there's a mixup about your "hardware clock is or is not on GMT" setting |
| 05:44.58 | hogballs | look, i did the g\nome setup for time and date 3 times already |
| 05:44.58 | shamu | did you change the time using the 'date' command like I said? |
| 05:45.05 | hogballs | im done |
| 05:45.07 | peterS | hogballs: oh, and just fyi, in central time it's quarter to midnight |
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| 05:45.17 | peterS | in case there was some confusion on the matter (: |
| 05:45.18 | hogballs | yes i know |
| 05:45.24 | hogballs | peter i got a real clock here |
| 05:45.31 | peterS | heh, I know |
| 05:45.41 | shamu | ok, now /etc/init.d/ntp-server restart |
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| 05:45.58 | shamu | ok, now sudo /etc/init.d/ntp-server restart |
| 05:46.27 | hogballs | Restarting NTP server: ntpd... start-stop-daemon: warning: failed to kill 3297: No such process |
| 05:47.29 | deadcat | peterS: know a trick to add "nameserver 10.10.10.1" into the line2 of my file with 4 lines? |
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| 05:48.04 | kaplanfx | kenboo: thanks |
| 05:48.10 | factotum | is it common for debain-testing to lose its net connection after a reboot? |
| 05:48.15 | kaplanfx | oenek: thanks |
| 05:48.21 | TheZanke | YAY i got ntp working |
| 05:48.23 | TheZanke | ty |
| 05:48.35 | factotum | all I have is a loop-back at this point |
| 05:48.51 | kaplanfx | TheZanke: was your clock running fast before? |
| 05:49.00 | TheZanke | date command says Tue Feb 22 05:41:31 EST 2005 the actual time here is 12:41 AM |
| 05:49.05 | TheZanke | thats what it was |
| 05:49.05 | peterS | deadcat: you have to rewrite the file. in shell: 'exec 90< /etc/resolv.conf 91> /etc/resolv.conf.new; read foo <&90; echo "$foo" >&91; echo "nameserver 10.10.10.1" >&91; cat <&90 >&91; exec 90>&- 91>&- |
| 05:49.07 | hogballs | <PROTECTED> |
| 05:49.10 | TheZanke | but it is fixed |
| 05:49.12 | peterS | deadcat: then use mv |
| 05:49.19 | hogballs | failed to kill 3297 |
| 05:49.47 | deadcat | peterS: i have to put this in /etc/network/interfaces so the ";" cant do it. and i dont want to use mv. |
| 05:49.48 | hogballs | well chicago isnt eastern |
| 05:50.01 | hogballs | chicago is central |
| 05:50.03 | hogballs | right? |
| 05:50.07 | deadcat | hogballs: ya |
| 05:50.07 | hogballs | or did it change? |
| 05:50.24 | jake | deadcat, no, that will tell me what i think i have told it to load. I need to know what It actually loaded with. |
| 05:50.33 | peterS | chicago has always been central time as far as I can recall |
| 05:50.39 | hogballs | because of this time crap my computer sucks balls |
| 05:51.01 | hogballs | i guess this kernel blows |
| 05:51.15 | Tr0gd0r | i forgot the root pass on my linux box and i did not make a rescue disc when i installed linux can i just download a rescue disc |
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| 05:51.31 | hogballs | ahh finally it works |
| 05:51.42 | deadcat | Tr0gd0r: livecd or the install cd |
| 05:51.50 | kaplanfx | Tr0gd0r: do you still have your install cd? |
| 05:52.00 | Tr0gd0r | yes i have the install |
| 05:52.11 | hogballs | upon bootupinto debian i catch the boot process of the ntp thing failing |
| 05:52.17 | deadcat | Tr0gd0r: boot it up and switch to tty2 |
| 05:52.22 | hogballs | im going to check my bios time to double chck |
| 05:52.26 | Tr0gd0r | wait i did the livecd network install |
| 05:52.46 | deadcat | Tr0gd0r: there aint no livecd network install |
| 05:53.08 | Tr0gd0r | well i booted the live cd |
| 05:53.09 | shamu | ok so its still failling |
| 05:53.17 | Tr0gd0r | then downloaded the install files from the internet |
| 05:53.30 | shamu | ok so how far off is the time now? |
| 05:53.36 | shamu | if you type 'date'? |
| 05:53.36 | deadcat | Tr0gd0r: then use that cd. but debian doesnt have a livecd |
| 05:53.37 | Tr0gd0r | can i just download a rescue disk? |
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| 05:53.45 | hogballs | says its 6 pm when its like midnight |
| 05:53.56 | Tr0gd0r | so i just put the cd in and it will work heh |
| 05:54.07 | deadcat | Tr0gd0r: boot with the livecd, mount the right partition, then edit the passwd file. |
| 05:54.07 | shamu | that may be correct |
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| 05:54.36 | Tr0gd0r | linux aint very secure heh |
| 05:54.39 | Tr0gd0r | thanks |
| 05:54.43 | shamu | now if you sudo /etc/init.d/ntp-simple restart, then give it about 10 seconds, then ntpdc -pn, what does it give you? |
| 05:55.10 | hogballs | shamu, ok ill try that now |
| 05:55.57 | deadcat | Tr0gd0r: if you have physical access. nothing is secure |
| 05:56.21 | hogballs | its not in that directorty |
| 05:56.26 | hogballs | nonexistant |
| 05:56.32 | cheal|ignored | about dpkg, what do you do to see other factoids when for example listkeys returns more than 15 results? |
| 05:56.43 | disasm | Tr0gd0r: technically if your that worried about physical access you could encrypt your filesystem, but nothing is a 100% secure |
| 05:57.22 | cheal|ignored | Tr0gd0r: it's really a filesystem issue, if that's an issue for you |
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| 05:58.25 | hogballs | debianhog:/home/hogballs# /etc/init.d/ntp-simple restart |
| 05:58.25 | hogballs | bash: /etc/init.d/ntp-simple: No such file or directory |
| 05:58.59 | deadcat | /etc/init.d/ntp<tab> restart |
| 05:59.17 | disasm | i thought it was ntpdate |
| 05:59.35 | hogballs | ahh |
| 05:59.36 | hogballs | tab |
| 06:01.56 | Kerr | famd is eating 97% cpu.. why would that be :-/ ? |
| 06:02.04 | hogballs | sorry deadcat |
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| 06:02.07 | hogballs | didnt work either |
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| 06:04.03 | hogballs | <PROTECTED> |
| 06:04.03 | hogballs | ntpdc: read: Connection refused |
| 06:04.25 | hogballs | refused could mean permissions |
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| 06:04.31 | hogballs | but i think its a bug |
| 06:04.35 | jefferskn | how do I setup a dialup connection in debian? I think "Shamu" got my lt winmodem installed for me |
| 06:04.53 | shamu | nope, check daemon.log -- you should see that ntpd pooped out because the time offset was too much |
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| 06:05.48 | shamu | sorry, once again ... what time does your clock say, and what time is it ? |
| 06:06.12 | hogballs | i just changed the prefs to read 24 hour time instead of 12 hour |
| 06:06.30 | shamu | and if you type 'date' what does it give you? |
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| 06:07.05 | hogballs | Mon Feb 21 12:14:52 CST 2005 |
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| 06:07.23 | hogballs | so thats right |
| 06:07.25 | shamu | yeah, that's not right |
| 06:07.36 | hogballs | but its the application thats messed up |
| 06:07.40 | hogballs | so thats ok |
| 06:07.42 | anakin_z | Anyone use the webalizer deb package? |
| 06:07.48 | shamu | type 'sudo date 02220007' |
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| 06:07.51 | hogballs | but still it does it everytime i reboot |
| 06:08.32 | mike_ | hi, does anyone know of a good java ssh client that is free and works with ssh2 ? |
| 06:08.32 | hogballs | ok done shamu |
| 06:08.45 | shamu | now the output of 'date', please? |
| 06:08.55 | hogballs | debianhog:/home/hogballs# date 02220007 |
| 06:09.09 | hogballs | sorry my security thing |
| 06:09.10 | shamu | sorry, the output of 'date' by itself |
| 06:09.30 | hogballs | haha ok ill be back |
| 06:09.48 | Solet | hey out of curiousity... anyone around here speak german? |
| 06:10.08 | Solet | (^ totally off topic) |
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| 06:11.23 | hogballs | Tue Feb 22 12:19:01 CST 2005 |
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| 06:12.21 | shamu | let me get this right. When you type 'date 02220007', and then type date, it tells you it's noon on Tuesday? |
| 06:12.23 | hogballs | Tue Feb 22 12:19:01 CST 2005 |
| 06:12.23 | hogballs | <PROTECTED> |
| 06:12.44 | hogballs | im sorry Shadur |
| 06:12.48 | hogballs | err shamu |
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| 06:14.58 | shamu | ok, let's try this |
| 06:15.03 | hogballs | it tells me its 6:22 pm |
| 06:15.19 | hogballs | and but when i type in date i get the real time |
| 06:15.25 | hogballs | the gnome x is screwy |
| 06:15.38 | hogballs | and ntp package is unstable or needs reconfigured |
| 06:15.50 | shamu | ok, try this |
| 06:16.02 | shamu | date -u 02220615 |
| 06:16.08 | shamu | and then give me the output of date |
| 06:16.30 | hogballs | Tue Feb 22 06:15:00 UTC 2005 |
| 06:16.40 | hogballs | still says 6:15 am |
| 06:16.49 | shamu | thanks, I can work with this :-) |
| 06:16.52 | hogballs | (gnome time widget) |
| 06:16.55 | simonrvn | um, -s to set it... |
| 06:17.14 | shamu | now /etc/init.d/ntp-server restart |
| 06:17.31 | hogballs | -s inplace of -u |
| 06:17.32 | hogballs | ? |
| 06:17.48 | simonrvn | ignore me |
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| 06:18.07 | shamu | -s not required |
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| 06:18.21 | shamu | ok now |
| 06:18.21 | shamu | ntpdc -pn |
| 06:18.45 | cafuego | Hmm. |
| 06:19.01 | hogballs | Restarting NTP server: ntpd... start-stop-daemon: warning: failed to kill 3978: No such process |
| 06:19.01 | hogballs | done. |
| 06:19.08 | shamu | ok |
| 06:19.17 | hogballs | i have not typed in ntpdc -pn yet |
| 06:19.22 | hogballs | should i? |
| 06:19.33 | shamu | we're all holding our breath here, guy :-) |
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| 06:19.51 | hogballs | hey shamu can i go and smoke a cig? |
| 06:19.55 | hogballs | sorry |
| 06:20.00 | cafuego | hogballs: No, it's bad for you. |
| 06:20.07 | hogballs | i appreciate your contribs to a noob like me |
| 06:20.17 | streuner | haha |
| 06:20.23 | streuner | !lart cafuego |
| 06:20.31 | hogballs | i need to relax man i live in a real kinda sucky place |
| 06:20.34 | simonrvn | bah, lame lart |
| 06:20.38 | simonrvn | @lart cafuego |
| 06:20.40 | streuner | yeah |
| 06:20.42 | cafuego | hogballs: Alcohol is not as bad. |
| 06:20.45 | simonrvn | better |
| 06:20.56 | hogballs | my standards of living is suffering here where i live |
| 06:20.58 | shamu | no problem, always glad to assist porcine gonads in need |
| 06:21.01 | cafuego | s/s/d/ |
| 06:21.22 | streuner | cafuego: smoking is the bs pure |
| 06:21.28 | simonrvn | pig balls? |
| 06:21.28 | cafuego | I quit smoking 3 months, 1 week, 1 day, 14 hours, 21 minutes and 60 seconds ago. |
| 06:21.33 | shamu | even swine testicles need to have time kept accurately |
| 06:21.36 | hogballs | hog, b |
| 06:21.48 | cafuego | And I swam 1500m today. |
| 06:21.54 | streuner | !congratulate |
| 06:21.58 | streuner | !congratulate cafuego |
| 06:21.59 | dpkg | Good show cafuego, you did it! |
| 06:22.02 | cafuego | By quitting I've saved AU$779.62. |
| 06:22.25 | simonrvn | oh ffs, please stop with the ex-smoker anti-smoker stuff |
| 06:22.25 | shamu | Wow -- that'll buy a lot of ale and whores! |
| 06:22.34 | cafuego | @lart simonrvn |
| 06:22.46 | hogballs | 700 us is a chain smoker |
| 06:22.46 | cafuego | shamu: Even more after I doube it at the casino... |
| 06:23.00 | cafuego | Oh, it was only a pack a day |
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| 06:23.18 | simonrvn | that's a lot though. i don't smoke that much |
| 06:23.18 | hogballs | i smoke about 3/4 pack at most |
| 06:23.34 | simonrvn | me it's 0.5 to 0.75 |
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| 06:23.44 | streuner | cafuego: in six month you could buy a nice PC for that money... |
| 06:23.44 | cafuego | How many in a pack? |
| 06:23.44 | hogballs | i usually roll up my own cigs |
| 06:23.51 | shamu | that's great, glad to hear it hogballs. May I have my output of ntpdc -pn, please? :-) |
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| 06:23.52 | hogballs | im from kansas so its common |
| 06:23.52 | simonrvn | 25 |
| 06:23.57 | cafuego | simonrvn: 20 here |
| 06:23.57 | hogballs | haha |
| 06:24.16 | cafuego | simonrvn: So I didn't smoke THAT many more |
| 06:24.16 | cheal|ignored | !smoke |
| 06:24.16 | dpkg | No Im trying to quit. or see also magic smoke |
| 06:24.20 | simonrvn | but i roll my own.. |
| 06:24.21 | shamu | there should be one line with an IP addr on it, at the left. please paste that in |
| 06:24.29 | cafuego | simonrvn: Yeah, cheaper. |
| 06:24.30 | simonrvn | cafuego: no, actually |
| 06:24.32 | hogballs | debianhog:/home/hogballs# ntpcd -pn |
| 06:24.32 | hogballs | bash: ntpcd: command not found |
| 06:24.36 | shamu | ntpdc -pn |
| 06:24.42 | cafuego | Ey? |
| 06:25.01 | cafuego | streuner: In 6 months I can go travel through europe for a couple of weeks. |
| 06:25.23 | hogballs | <PROTECTED> |
| 06:25.36 | simonrvn | oh no, cron.daily... |
| 06:25.37 | hogballs | =127.127.1.0 127.0.0.1 13 64 77 0.00000 0.000000 0.43399 |
| 06:25.37 | hogballs | *69.37.143.241 192.168.0.100 2 64 77 0.08469 83.662967 0.43672 |
| 06:25.45 | cafuego | simonrvn: <heh> |
| 06:25.48 | hogballs | :) |
| 06:26.02 | shamu | the 'offset' is how far off you are in seconds from that time server |
| 06:26.17 | Solet | why in the debian matrix screensaver are all the characters mirror image backwards? |
| 06:26.18 | hogballs | great my ip |
| 06:26.19 | shamu | it will sit at about 83 for a few minutes, then correct itself to be accurate to within a second |
| 06:26.31 | shamu | now all you need to do is fix the timezone where it appears in gnome, etc. |
| 06:26.33 | cafuego | Solet: You're sitting on the wrong side of the screen |
| 06:26.41 | Solet | cafuego rofl |
| 06:26.44 | Solet | seriously tho |
| 06:27.06 | cafuego | Solet: Maybe the real matrix chatacters were trademarked |
| 06:27.22 | atrus | Solet: xmatrix or glmatrix? |
| 06:27.31 | Solet | xmatrix |
| 06:27.31 | cafuego | studios are fascist that way |
| 06:27.34 | Solet | i think |
| 06:27.38 | Solet | lemme check |
| 06:28.02 | Solet | yeah xmatrix |
| 06:28.04 | hogballs | face it its a stupid bug |
| 06:28.09 | hogballs | i should use kde |
| 06:28.12 | atrus | Solet: i think they're backwards to look more exotic, personally. |
| 06:28.13 | hogballs | and see if it does it |
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| 06:28.19 | Solet | aha |
| 06:28.22 | mike_ | does anyone know of a good java ssh client that is free and works with ssh2 ? |
| 06:28.23 | Solet | whats glmatrix |
| 06:28.35 | shamu | I think tzsetup and tzset are valid programs to change the timezone, and there's probably some way to fix it in gnome also |
| 06:28.36 | hogballs | prolly some trippy screensaver |
| 06:28.38 | cafuego | Solet: Maybe the coder scanned them off a movie frame and accidentally had it the wrong way around |
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| 06:29.16 | atrus | Solet: it's in the xscreensavers-gl package. same principal, but hardware accelerated and 3d. looks like you're flying through the columns of text. very cool. |
| 06:29.18 | cafuego | See also 'matrixview' from rss-glx |
| 06:29.46 | Solet | atrus... would this kill a 200 mhz processor... what cd is it on? |
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| 06:29.58 | atrus | Solet: /usr/lib/xscreensavers/glmatrix -speed 10 |
| 06:30.06 | cafuego | Solet: If you have hardware 3d you'll be ok, otherwise, don't bother. |
| 06:30.07 | jefferskn | how do I add myself to the dialout group? I've been googling but not much luck |
| 06:30.23 | jm_ | jefferskn: /msg dpkg audio -- this will give you a hint |
| 06:30.29 | atrus | Solet: not a clue. apt-get install xscreensaver-gl and see what CD it asks for |
| 06:30.30 | shamu | sudo adduser jefferskn dialout |
| 06:30.35 | jm_ | jefferskn: or just man adduser |
| 06:30.55 | jefferskn | thanks, that's almost too easy |
| 06:31.03 | shamu | debian's like that for some things |
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| 06:31.35 | hogballs | ahhh kde is the answer hahahaha its owning gnome as i speak! |
| 06:31.48 | hogballs | the time works by the way |
| 06:31.59 | hogballs | im not sure if its a coincadence |
| 06:32.00 | Solet | ummmm could not get lock /var/lib/dpkg/lock -open (11 resource temorarily unavailable) |
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| 06:32.22 | jefferskn | shamu, the sudo command still says command not found |
| 06:32.28 | shamu | sorry |
| 06:32.47 | shamu | sorry, sudo doesn't come standard |
| 06:32.52 | Solet | nvm i fixed it :P |
| 06:32.52 | shamu | you can log in as root and run that command |
| 06:33.23 | shamu | or you can apt-get install sudo and twiddle some files to give you sudo access |
| 06:33.35 | jm_ | or just use su |
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| 06:34.19 | jefferskn | I'm logged in as root right now and got sudo command not found |
| 06:34.32 | hogballs | hahah shamu is the parinoid |
| 06:34.34 | shamu | you need to apt-get install sudo |
| 06:34.39 | hogballs | sudo blah blah blah |
| 06:34.44 | jefferskn | okay, i'll try that |
| 06:36.00 | hogballs | this sucks |
| 06:36.08 | hogballs | !sucks |
| 06:36.09 | dpkg | Blow me! |
| 06:36.23 | hogballs | !sudo |
| 06:36.23 | dpkg | somebody said sudo was (SUperuser DO) better than su, according to talon.It is able to give limited super user privileges to specific users, or can allow you to do silly things like run X apps with root perms, or good in scripts with "username ALL = NOPASSWD: /some/program", or http://www.aplawrence.com/Basics/sudo.html |
| 06:36.56 | hogballs | sowhy do i need sudo |
| 06:36.59 | smeg | exit |
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| 06:37.05 | hogballs | i thought it was already there |
| 06:37.16 | shamu | nope |
| 06:37.33 | hogballs | is dpkg right? |
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| 06:37.46 | streuner | mostly |
| 06:38.00 | Solet | i installed the gl crap but i cant find it |
| 06:38.01 | hogballs | but the package sudo is way different right? |
| 06:38.17 | Solet | ist not in my screen saver list |
| 06:38.17 | jm_ | sudo's priority is optional, so it's not installed together with base, like su |
| 06:38.41 | hogballs | isnt su and sudo same thing? |
| 06:38.42 | jm_ | sudo is "just" more flexible version of su |
| 06:39.10 | hogballs | well my common scence is retarded i guess |
| 06:39.18 | hogballs | hahaha |
| 06:39.19 | hogballs | a |
| 06:39.48 | hogballs | No /etc/sudoers found... creating one for you. |
| 06:39.54 | hogballs | good |
| 06:40.07 | streuner | hogballs: what's so funny about, jm_ told you all infos you need? |
| 06:40.58 | hogballs | well let me grab my crystal ball and see what flexible really means |
| 06:41.08 | hogballs | ooooOOOOooooook |
| 06:41.12 | jefferskn | okay, I ran apt-get and installed sudo, ran sudo command to add my user name to the dialout group, when I click on "diald" I still get error saying to add yourself to dialout group ??? |
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| 06:41.24 | jm_ | perhaps reading package descriptions will help, but what a silly idea that would be |
| 06:41.43 | jm_ | jefferskn: you need to logout and login again, or as a temporary workaround, man newgrp |
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| 06:41.49 | Solet | i try to run glmatrix from command line and it doesnt work |
| 06:42.05 | jm_ | jefferskn: sg would also work |
| 06:42.15 | jefferskn | ah, so logging out and logging back in when making changes? |
| 06:42.16 | Solet | i try to "find / -name "*matrix*"" and its not listed |
| 06:42.30 | Solet | i apt-get it again and it tells me its installed |
| 06:42.42 | jm_ | that's why I said "/msg dpkg audio" will give you a hint, it also says you have to logout |
| 06:43.23 | dli | nfs-kernel-server: mount: RPC: Program not registered |
| 06:43.31 | mike_ | does anyone know of a good java ssh client that doesn't use the machine that its run on to connect? |
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| 06:43.39 | streuner | dli: is portmapper running? |
| 06:44.21 | dli | streuner, /etc/init.d/nfs-kernel-server reload, creats the problem, but "restart" instead of reload works |
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| 06:44.47 | simonrvn | check /etc/default/portmap to see if it's listening on localhost only |
| 06:44.49 | jm_ | mikeeusa: what else is it supposed to use then? |
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| 06:44.54 | puree | what command do I use to make myself belong to 'audio' group? |
| 06:45.00 | jm_ | mike_ see above |
| 06:45.08 | jm_ | purestorm: /msg dpkg audio |
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| 06:45.10 | jm_ | gah |
| 06:45.11 | zeeble | puree: /msg dpkg audip |
| 06:45.14 | simonrvn | !tell puree about audio |
| 06:45.22 | jefferskn | jm, logging out and logging back in worked, thanks |
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| 06:45.48 | dli | simonrvn, it's empty in /etc/default/portmap |
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| 06:46.16 | nvz | is the ammount of ram X consumes pretty much direcctly related to hte size of the desktop? |
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| 06:46.51 | simonrvn | no |
| 06:46.53 | mwilson | Not at all. |
| 06:46.56 | mike_ | jm_: where above? |
| 06:47.05 | peterS | nvz: that, and what the apps demand of the X server (and how many you run) |
| 06:47.15 | simonrvn | the amount shown in x is decptive anyway |
| 06:47.24 | hogballs | what is mirror country |
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| 06:47.31 | peterS | nvz: some apps are a lot more demanding of X server resources than others |
| 06:47.32 | hogballs | !mirror country |
| 06:47.32 | streuner | dli: ps aux | grep portmap |
| 06:47.35 | simonrvn | shown in top i mean |
| 06:47.38 | nvz | my X server (running onee with gdm) is using 150 or so mb of ram which is close to what my virtual machines use |
| 06:47.43 | shamu | a lot of it is the number of images (icons, thumbnails, pictures, etc) loaded by various apps |
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| 06:47.50 | mwilson | nvz: No big deal. |
| 06:47.50 | hogballs | !dpkg mirror country |
| 06:47.54 | simonrvn | shamu: yup |
| 06:47.56 | ArtVandalae | To bundle Flash, and Java with a distribution like Debian (for example, I know Debian doesn't do it, both of them being non-free), would you have to pay Macromedia and Sun respectively? |
| 06:48.07 | jm_ | mike_: what else is it supposed to use then? |
| 06:48.13 | nvz | I thought my 1600x1200 ddesktop was the reason |
| 06:48.29 | mike_ | jm_: the host that it is stored on |
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| 06:48.31 | simonrvn | ArtVandalae: read debian policy, and other related docs |
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| 06:48.37 | dli | streuner, daemon 28210 0.0 0.1 1608 544 ? Ss Feb21 0:00 [portmap] |
| 06:48.42 | Solet | grrr why cant i get glmatrix |
| 06:48.44 | jm_ | heh I had X use over 1G of RAM before I rebooted last week |
| 06:48.51 | Kog | jm_: whoa |
| 06:49.01 | Solet | i installed the package... but glmatrix didnt appear in the list |
| 06:49.06 | zignig | jm_: that's a _BIG_ monitor ;) |
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| 06:49.07 | nvz | I only got 512RAMBUS |
| 06:49.11 | jm_ | mike_: how's that supposed to work then? |
| 06:49.13 | Solet | and it isnt in the xscreensavers folder |
| 06:49.24 | nvz | got one vm runningg right now |
| 06:49.27 | jm_ | zignig: naah, that happens when you run X server for 445 days |
| 06:49.36 | streuner | dli: custom kernel? |
| 06:49.38 | nvz | annd switched to cd mussic cause of lah |
| 06:49.42 | dli | streuner, yes |
| 06:49.43 | nvz | lag |
| 06:49.53 | dli | streuner, with openMosix |
| 06:49.53 | nvz | wwwhich as you can see is affectingg my input |
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| 06:50.12 | zignig | jm_: ruined your uptime , you should have just restarted X |
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| 06:50.21 | nvz | I am tyyping at normal speed, its just not keepiiiing up and double buffering things/. |
| 06:50.25 | streuner | dli: no idea about openMosix, but install an official kernel, if that works fix it then. |
| 06:50.47 | mike_ | jm_: never mind. spose there is no real purpose.. im trying to ssh from school but they blocked port 22 and i can't putty to it becuase they've put a redirect block on the server. |
| 06:51.07 | dli | streuner, I can not, it's the head for an openmosix cluster |
| 06:51.17 | mike_ | jm_: because ** |
| 06:51.18 | nvz | disk access on the vvmm is what consumees too muuch cpuu ttime |
| 06:51.24 | nvz | is the problem heree |
| 06:51.50 | Kog | anyone know of a decent DVD player? |
| 06:51.58 | Kog | or do I have to boot to windows? |
| 06:51.58 | jm_ | mike_: ahh they require you to use a http proxy? |
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| 06:52.19 | sussudio | shitfuckhypocriticalsanctimoniouswankwank |
| 06:52.25 | jm_ | zignig: naah, I thought my machine went berserk, but I wanted to reboot anyway, to plug in a new sound card |
| 06:52.26 | Gnea | hey guys, got a command line issue... i'm trying to take the output from some shell variables and plug them into a perl regexp, like this: ONETHING=`cat something`; ANOTHERTHING=`cat anything`; perl -pi -e 's/$ONETHING/$ANOTHERTHING/g' some.file but the variables aren't catching, even if exported, and even with brackets {} around the variables like this: ${ONETHING} any clues how i can make this work? |
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| 06:52.54 | jm_ | Gnea: you need to learn what '' means with respect to variable expansion |
| 06:53.02 | nvz | and xargs |
| 06:53.17 | Gnea | i see |
| 06:53.31 | Gnea | got it |
| 06:53.36 | Gnea | s/'/"/ :) |
| 06:53.37 | mike_ | jm_: no, they just block everything in general. i can't connect to anything :'-( |
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| 06:53.39 | sussudio | fucking americans |
| 06:53.41 | jm_ | yeah, " will help |
| 06:53.45 | hogballs | aww |
| 06:53.46 | jm_ | mike_: not even web sites? |
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| 06:53.48 | Gnea | sussudio: fuck you |
| 06:53.51 | zignig | jm_: ah |
| 06:53.58 | sussudio | Gnea: eat poop |
| 06:54.04 | hogballs | not all americans are fuckers |
| 06:54.05 | mike_ | jm_: they've blocked everything, even microsoft.com and google.com... really sad stuff |
| 06:54.07 | Kog | sussudio: do you mean people from the US or all people from the american continents? |
| 06:54.11 | nvz | he called the shit poop |
| 06:54.23 | sussudio | Kog: USians and USian wannabees |
| 06:54.31 | sobersabre | how can i discover: operating room temperature, heat radiation of server ? |
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| 06:54.36 | hogballs | ian |
| 06:54.41 | hogballs | !ian |
| 06:54.41 | dpkg | Did you mean Ian Murdock? |
| 06:54.42 | Kog | sussudio: do canadians count as wannabees? |
| 06:54.45 | Gnea | sussudio: sorry, i don't consider that to be a desirable meal |
| 06:54.50 | simonrvn | sobersabre: sensors and mrtg/rrdtool |
| 06:54.52 | jm_ | mike_: heh |
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| 06:55.06 | sussudio | Kog: if they pretend to be USians, yes |
| 06:55.08 | mike_ | jm_: but i can access my machine thru a web browser, so i want to connect to my machine and use it to ssh to it |
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| 06:55.16 | Kog | ok, not that I'm canadian... just making sure |
| 06:55.21 | sobersabre | simonrvn, I don't mean a CPU temp. |
| 06:55.24 | Gnea | sussudio: and yes, i'm hypocritical, and i'm quite secure with that notion, now go fuck your mom's horse with a brick some more :) |
| 06:55.25 | mike_ | jm_: using a java client or the such. any ideas? |
| 06:55.35 | Kog | Gnea: harsh man, harsh |
| 06:55.51 | Gnea | Kog: hehe, he knows i'm being sarcastic |
| 06:55.52 | sobersabre | it should be in some doc. related to the machine, but i don't know which |
| 06:55.55 | jm_ | mike_: ahh, try using httptunnel with regular ssh (but you'll need to install it somewhere local) |
| 06:55.56 | simonrvn | sobersabre: i didn't mean CPU temp either |
| 06:55.57 | sussudio | Gnea: get a disease that causes long periods of pain |
| 06:56.09 | Gnea | sussudio: like life? done. |
| 06:56.19 | sussudio | now troll off |
| 06:56.24 | nvz | heh |
| 06:56.32 | simonrvn | please just /ignore each other, ok? |
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| 06:56.52 | nvz | mine is about empty |
| 06:57.05 | Gnea | i fill mine often |
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| 06:57.07 | Gnea | it helps |
| 06:57.25 | nvz | fill em? clean em too? |
| 06:57.29 | VoX | what's the best way to restart syslogd? kill -HUP or via init.d? |
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| 06:57.33 | Gnea | once in awhile :) |
| 06:57.37 | Gnea | VoX: the latter |
| 06:57.43 | VoX | cheers |
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| 06:57.53 | nvz | you can go buy the little cardboard ones with stuff in em then throw em away :P |
| 06:58.27 | jefferskn | how would I verify if my lucent winmodem module was installed correctly |
| 06:58.36 | Gnea | those are good too, and free dpending where you go ;) |
| 06:58.41 | mike_ | mike_: ok, thanks |
| 06:58.43 | sobersabre | simonrvn, can i talk to u privately ? [no asl, don't worry :)] |
| 06:58.50 | nvz | heh |
| 06:59.12 | Kog | any takers on a good deb package for watching dvds? |
| 06:59.18 | Gnea | jefferskn: probably with lsmod and dmesg |
| 06:59.21 | simonrvn | no, thanks. just giving what i heard, i have little experience with server room kinda stuff =) |
| 06:59.28 | Gnea | Kog: ogle |
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| 06:59.36 | streuner | Kog: mplyer, xine |
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| 06:59.39 | Kog | Gnea: I was looking at it... any good? |
| 06:59.42 | streuner | Kog: mplayer |
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| 06:59.45 | Gnea | Kog: and if u check the docs dir, there's a script to get full support |
| 06:59.57 | Gnea | Kog: yeah, perfect for DVDs |
| 07:00.02 | Gnea | mplayer's OK |
| 07:00.13 | Gnea | better for things like divx and whatnot |
| 07:00.35 | Kog | ah, just watching a DVD I rented |
| 07:00.36 | sobersabre | ok. maybe someone else: i need to present room requirements to air-cond. engineer. it is unacceptible to tell him "just make it as cold as possible". |
| 07:00.39 | sussudio | you want to play dvd's? buy a dvdplayer! |
| 07:00.45 | streuner | Kog: vlc |
| 07:00.50 | streuner | !info vlc |
| 07:00.56 | dpkg | vlc: (multimedia player for all audio and video formats), section graphics, is optional. Version: 0.8.1-3 (sid), Packaged size: 4819 kB, Installed size: 11708 kB |
| 07:01.01 | Gnea | you want to support debian? then stop trolling! |
| 07:01.04 | zignig | sobersabre: just add up all of the powersupplies you are running and at ~20% |
| 07:01.15 | sussudio | Gnea: i told you to shut your fucking troll gob |
| 07:01.43 | Kog | sussudio: on my computer genius |
| 07:01.48 | Kog | sussudio: jeebus |
| 07:01.53 | Gnea | sussudio: oh, it's ok for you to troll but not anyone else? besides i wasn't trolling, i was stating a point. get it right. |
| 07:01.57 | sobersabre | zignig, good point. but... powersupplies consume energy into computations.... and only a part of it comes out as heat.... am i missing something ? |
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| 07:02.10 | sussudio | Gnea: you will be banned again soon |
| 07:02.22 | Gnea | oh that's just great |
| 07:02.31 | simonrvn | sobersabre: well, some cpus and other hardware give out more heat than others |
| 07:02.34 | flor | hi |
| 07:02.35 | zignig | sobersabre: all of it comes out as heat and noise in the end. |
| 07:02.52 | flor | i don't know anything about computers |
| 07:02.55 | sobersabre | zignig, so if there's much noise... there is less heat. |
| 07:03.02 | Gnea | i've helped how many people in the past 5 minutes while all you've done is shit words all over? WAY TO SUPPORT YOUR DISTRIBUTION |
| 07:03.02 | jm_ | if all of it came out as heat, CPU-s would have no power to do the crunching :) |
| 07:03.03 | zignig | sobersabre: nope. |
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| 07:03.23 | Kog | Gnea: so is ogle still ok? I've heard about xine being pretty damn nice |
| 07:03.26 | sussudio | moron |
| 07:03.28 | sobersabre | zignig, why not ? |
| 07:03.36 | Gnea | Kog: xine is alright, i've had it crash more often tho |
| 07:03.43 | flor | moron? |
| 07:03.43 | hogballs | im stuck |
| 07:03.50 | flor | from moron? |
| 07:03.51 | hogballs | in a wizard |
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| 07:04.01 | flor | aaaaaaaaa |
| 07:04.08 | Kog | Gnea: ok, I'll take a look at ogle... you said there was a doc I should read |
| 07:04.09 | Kog | ? |
| 07:04.09 | Gnea | flor: ignore sussudio, he's PMSing |
| 07:04.21 | hogballs | i ran apt-setup and i do not know what my mirror country is |
| 07:04.23 | Gnea | Kog: yeah, should be in /usr/share/doc |
| 07:04.32 | hogballs | in central |
| 07:04.34 | hogballs | usa |
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| 07:04.40 | jm_ | you don't know what country you're in? now that's class |
| 07:04.41 | sobersabre | hogballs, which wizzard ? are you in Gandalf ? |
| 07:04.47 | hogballs | no |
| 07:04.48 | Kog | sobersabre: hahaha |
| 07:04.58 | Kog | sobersabre: that was my moment of Zen for the evening |
| 07:05.01 | hogballs | sobersabre, im in apt-setup |
| 07:05.08 | Gnea | hogballs: .. are you human? |
| 07:05.13 | jm_ | hogballs: apt-cache show netselect |
| 07:05.20 | jm_ | or rather, netselect-apt |
| 07:05.29 | sobersabre | hogballs, which country are you in ? |
| 07:05.34 | simonrvn | "moment of Zen" heh |
| 07:05.41 | Gnea | lol |
| 07:05.42 | hogballs | sobersabre, usa |
| 07:05.46 | simonrvn | another daily show watcher |
| 07:05.50 | flor | do you always chat here? |
| 07:05.50 | hogballs | central |
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| 07:05.58 | flor | or it's just ocationally |
| 07:05.59 | flor | ? |
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| 07:06.13 | Kog | simonrvn: I used to get comedy central... then my TV broke... it only gets fox news and the food network |
| 07:06.14 | Gnea | i watch it when i remember to |
| 07:06.21 | Gnea | which hasn't been often lately |
| 07:06.21 | hogballs | tuxracer tuxracer |
| 07:06.26 | Kog | simonrvn: and being that I'm not republican (can you tell? I watch the daily show).... |
| 07:06.31 | zignig | Kog: fair and balanced. <NOT> |
| 07:06.34 | simonrvn | =) |
| 07:06.49 | nvz | oh boy, emril live, and rachel ray |
| 07:06.51 | hogballs | united statess |
| 07:06.56 | shamu | hey hogballs, what time is it? |
| 07:07.01 | simonrvn | we get on one of the local channels here. only real news is from that show, IMO |
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| 07:07.06 | hogballs | 1am |
| 07:07.13 | flor | here it's 4 15 AM |
| 07:07.14 | Kog | simonrvn: only news I trust is on CSPAN |
| 07:07.17 | simonrvn | i don't watch the news ... it's fucking bullshit |
| 07:07.22 | Kog | simonrvn: they're too boring to be propoganda |
| 07:07.24 | jair_11 | I have a concern, always when I try to open a link on the kmail the default browser that start is konqueror. It is a way that I can make firefox the default browser. |
| 07:07.26 | hogballs | flor is a vampire |
| 07:07.33 | sobersabre | hogballs, you can try ping/dl-atempt on several us servers. |
| 07:07.34 | Gnea | CSPAN is fscking cool, but it's still biased in some areas |
| 07:07.35 | flor | jaja |
| 07:07.41 | flor | flor lives in argentina |
| 07:07.58 | Kog | Gnea: hahah, everything is biased |
| 07:07.58 | sobersabre | flor means "flower" in portuguese... |
| 07:08.06 | Gnea | Kog: good point :) |
| 07:08.10 | Kog | Gnea: I go to one of the most liberal colleges that isn't anarchistic in the US |
| 07:08.11 | hogballs | mirror country |
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| 07:08.15 | Gnea | jefferskn: sure, but not in pm |
| 07:08.16 | flor | in spanish too |
| 07:08.31 | jefferskn | no prob |
| 07:08.32 | Gnea | Kog: ah, the power of choice... use it while ya can |
| 07:08.35 | Kog | flor: I hear the argentinians speak the best spanish in the world... is it really true? |
| 07:08.37 | sobersabre | mui bien. |
| 07:08.45 | jair_11 | it is a way that I can eliminate "konqueror" to browse the web, I want it only to browse the files and directories. |
| 07:08.49 | Kog | Gnea: no, I lost that chance a long time ago when the ATA/USA/PATRIOT were all passed |
| 07:08.53 | flor | I don't think so |
| 07:09.02 | jair_11 | who is from argentina? |
| 07:09.13 | nvz | jair_11: use something else like links2, firefox, whatever |
| 07:09.16 | hogballs | No /etc/sudoers found... creating one for you. |
| 07:09.21 | Gnea | Kog: heh, choices still exist, just gotta readbetweenthelines |
| 07:09.23 | flor | but I prefer this spanish than the Spain spanish |
| 07:09.30 | hogballs | whoops |
| 07:09.34 | streuner | jair_11: not many people are usually here, why? |
| 07:09.35 | hogballs | bash: ping/dl-atempt: No such file or directory |
| 07:09.36 | sobersabre | plop |
| 07:09.38 | Kog | Gnea: indeed |
| 07:09.39 | jair_11 | nvz, what do you mean? |
| 07:09.40 | Solet | atrus: are you still there? i cant get glmatrix... |
| 07:09.42 | jefferskn | shamu, helped me get the ltmodem module installed earlier but we never checked to see if was actually there, when I type lsmod its not there |
| 07:09.45 | Kog | flor: I don't speak castellano |
| 07:09.46 | simonrvn | we have C-36, 32, and "friends". they're more draconian than patriot act 1 and 2... |
| 07:09.52 | Kog | flor: I speak dirty mexico city street |
| 07:09.54 | Gnea | jefferskn: i never installed a winmodem in linux before, have you read the howto? |
| 07:10.04 | nvz | jair_11: I mean dont use konqueror to browse the web, use something else |
| 07:10.05 | Kog | flor: and a bit of nicuragense |
| 07:10.05 | hogballs | ewww winmodem |
| 07:10.07 | jair_11 | streuner, because you are from argentina? |
| 07:10.19 | streuner | jair_11: no - germany |
| 07:10.19 | flor | I can hardly understand mexican people |
| 07:10.20 | Kog | simonrvn: where do you live? |
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| 07:10.24 | sobersabre | what a noisy line! |
| 07:10.27 | simonrvn | .ca |
| 07:10.29 | Kog | flor: I speak much slower than they do heh |
| 07:10.35 | jair_11 | nvz, it looks like my english is getting worst, did you read what I out before. |
| 07:10.37 | jair_11 | ? |
| 07:10.38 | hogballs | sobersabre, well |
| 07:10.38 | Kog | simonrvn: yeah... you all followed us in marvelous suit |
| 07:10.46 | jair_11 | streuner, nice |
| 07:10.59 | jefferskn | yha, didn't make any sense to me so I pasted the how to for Shamu to read and he walked me through it, but we never checked it and when I run lsmod NO modem so I don't think it worked |
| 07:11.00 | jair_11 | streuner, I am planning go to live in germany |
| 07:11.01 | Gnea | hey now, mexicans have some really good tequila #) |
| 07:11.05 | simonrvn | the gov't did. they're not *my* gov't. bastids |
| 07:11.14 | Kog | simonrvn: you're not a citizen of CA? |
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| 07:11.17 | flor | just to know Kog how old are you |
| 07:11.19 | Kog | simonrvn: I take it back then |
| 07:11.22 | oenek | hey wikipedia went down too |
| 07:11.23 | maher | jefferskn: try modprobe drivername |
| 07:11.25 | flor | ?? |
| 07:11.27 | simonrvn | Kog: legally, yes. |
| 07:11.27 | sobersabre | any cluster related channels in this freeenode ? |
| 07:11.28 | Kog | flor: I feel about 90 at the moment |
| 07:11.29 | Gnea | jefferskn: well then so there was a module that you had to load via modprobe? |
| 07:11.32 | jair_11 | streuner, it is hard for new people overthere, like I am from Venezuela but I will be going from USA |
| 07:11.34 | Kog | flor: but I'm closer to 21 |
| 07:11.39 | oenek | wonder if that has anything to do with kernel.org |
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| 07:11.48 | simonrvn | being born here kinda "entitles" you to that |
| 07:11.53 | jefferskn | I don't remember ever typing modprobe? |
| 07:11.54 | flor | I am 16 |
| 07:12.02 | Kog | flor: good to know |
| 07:12.18 | Gnea | well i don't know what howto you were reading you haven't said which one yet so... |
| 07:12.25 | maher | jefferskn: well try it and see |
| 07:12.39 | flor | I WANT EVERYBODY TO KNOW THAT I'M HAVING THE BEST TIME OF MY LIFE |
| 07:12.47 | Kog | flor: are you drunk? |
| 07:12.52 | nvz | oh dear |
| 07:12.56 | Gnea | GOOD NOW SEND ME $500 PLEASE KTHX |
| 07:13.00 | simonrvn | well good for you, and please stfukthx |
| 07:13.01 | flor | I don't drink |
| 07:13.02 | xam | oenek: nope, apparently there was some power outage that took out some servers |
| 07:13.06 | Kog | Gnea: you're expensive dude |
| 07:13.19 | flor | but it's dificult to find someone who talk to |
| 07:13.24 | Gnea | Kog: eh, i got bills to pay :P |
| 07:13.25 | flor | here |
| 07:13.31 | nvz | try teenchat on AOL |
| 07:13.33 | simonrvn | keep looking |
| 07:13.33 | sobersabre | flor, its rare on irc lately ... maybe it has to do with time & age. |
| 07:13.37 | Kog | shinagatta na nai |
| 07:13.38 | sobersabre | hehe |
| 07:14.23 | sobersabre | i must continue working, nice talking to you all. see ya. |
| 07:14.31 | Kog | Gnea: should there be a doc called ogle? I don't see anything with DVD in there either |
| 07:14.36 | Kog | Gnea: except for rw |
| 07:14.47 | Gnea | uhm |
| 07:15.12 | Kog | I see xine tho |
| 07:15.37 | Gnea | Kog: i dunno, try using ogle to play your dvd and make sure you start it from a terminal and read what it says if it says anything |
| 07:15.54 | Gnea | bbiaf |
| 07:15.57 | Kog | rr |
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| 07:16.25 | Kog | apt-get here I come |
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| 07:18.08 | ferris | is there a desktop for debian that is for children? |
| 07:18.46 | sussudio | ferris: debian jr |
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| 07:18.50 | jm_ | there's debian-jr project |
| 07:19.19 | hogballs | crap |
| 07:19.24 | ferris | ok thanks |
| 07:19.32 | flor | what the hell is DEBIAN? |
| 07:19.34 | sussudio | hogballs: you can't say crap, it upsets the christian right |
| 07:19.53 | ferris | a linux OS |
| 07:19.59 | ferris | and so much more |
| 07:20.06 | hogballs | im sorry |
| 07:20.06 | Kog | sussudio: does it make the baby jesus cry? |
| 07:20.09 | streuner | flor: www.debian.org ? |
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| 07:20.18 | hogballs | sussudio, i have a flood over at #flood channel |
| 07:20.23 | flor | THANKS |
| 07:20.24 | hogballs | can you look please? |
| 07:20.26 | sussudio | no |
| 07:20.32 | Kog | flor: capital letters? tisk tisk |
| 07:20.37 | sussudio | i built an ark just for #flood |
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| 07:20.46 | sussudio | and you can't get on |
| 07:20.50 | flor | FUCK |
| 07:20.52 | hogballs | hahah |
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| 07:20.54 | simonrvn | hehe |
| 07:20.58 | hogballs | junk |
| 07:20.59 | flor | IT DOESN0'T OPEN |
| 07:21.02 | simonrvn | QOTD |
| 07:21.04 | flor | ANY PAGE OPEN |
| 07:21.09 | jm_ | more like TOTD |
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| 07:21.11 | streuner | flor: capital letters are in IRC shouting.... |
| 07:21.15 | SlayerXP | !ops SoS is an onjoin porn spammer |
| 07:21.15 | dpkg | Hydroxide, bob2, caphuso, dondelelcaro, doogie, eeyore-, ElectricElf, greycat, helix, ljlane, LoRez, mentor, Netsnipe, TML, walters, xk: SoS is an onjoin porn spammer |
| 07:21.17 | hogballs | so no linux heaven for me and goto back to windows? |
| 07:21.20 | sussudio | flor: what are you on about? |
| 07:21.22 | simonrvn | jm_: TOTD? |
| 07:21.26 | jm_ | simonrvn: troll ;) |
| 07:21.35 | simonrvn | gotcha :) |
| 07:21.36 | zignig | troll of the day |
| 07:21.45 | mythsmith | hi! How can I know the device name of my usb mass storage? |
| 07:21.46 | flor | i dont understand |
| 07:21.54 | SlayerXP | mythsmith: 'dmesg' |
| 07:21.55 | simonrvn | mythsmith: dmesg |
| 07:21.58 | tga | mythsmith: tail dmesg |
| 07:22.00 | jm_ | but I realised we talked about different things |
| 07:22.01 | flor | am I showtin? |
| 07:22.04 | flor | sjsjaja |
| 07:22.07 | maher | mythsmith: cat /proc/partitions may work too |
| 07:22.16 | flor | okei |
| 07:22.19 | ferris | it is usually /sda1 |
| 07:22.19 | flor | i quidd it |
| 07:22.23 | flor | LOVES FOR YOU ALL |
| 07:22.29 | flor | YOU ARE EXELLENT PEOPLE |
| 07:22.31 | flor | VERY POLITE |
| 07:22.37 | streuner | Doh |
| 07:22.38 | sussudio | !aolify flor |
| 07:22.42 | flor | ARGENTINIAN CHAT ARE UNPOLITE |
| 07:22.50 | flor | I LOVE YOU PEOPLE |
| 07:22.51 | SlayerXP | flor: if being stupid hurt, you'd be in constant agony. |
| 07:22.55 | sussudio | !tejon flor |
| 07:22.55 | simonrvn | please stop with the all caps |
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| 07:23.05 | flor | sorry |
| 07:23.10 | simonrvn | thanks |
| 07:23.13 | flor | I'm gone |
| 07:23.19 | Kog | oh.. he ain't drunk... he's on X |
| 07:23.27 | Kog | no wonder he was dry humping my leg... |
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| 07:23.48 | mythsmith | SlayerXP, simonrvn, tga, yes, there are hundreds of lines... |
| 07:23.59 | simonrvn | yes.. |
| 07:24.03 | jm_ | better start reading sooner then |
| 07:24.03 | SlayerXP | so, no ops awake then? |
| 07:24.20 | helix | oh |
| 07:24.24 | streuner | at this time, usually not many... |
| 07:24.27 | streuner | oh |
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| 07:24.34 | *** mode/#Debian [-o helix] by helix |
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| 07:25.12 | simonrvn | @helix++ |
| 07:25.37 | greister | why I can't down fvwm-themes? |
| 07:25.52 | simonrvn | because your mommy doesn't like them ;P |
| 07:25.55 | SlayerXP | # hey helix, you're so fine, you're so fine you blow my mind, hey helix! *clap-clap clap* hey helix! *clap-clap clap* |
| 07:26.08 | simonrvn | hehehe |
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| 07:26.58 | mythsmith | thanks maher |
| 07:27.13 | SlayerXP | is that stunned silence? or is she just looking for a bigger bat? :) |
| 07:27.27 | simonrvn | the latter |
| 07:27.36 | SlayerXP | oh carp |
| 07:27.50 | zignig | SlayerXP: one with rusty nails in the end I reckon. |
| 07:27.53 | zignig | SlayerXP: :P |
| 07:27.57 | greister | some body can tell me ,why i cann't down fvwm-themes? |
| 07:28.04 | SlayerXP | today I shall find out if I'll be spending 3 months in Switzerland |
| 07:28.10 | simonrvn | couldyou be less vague? |
| 07:28.34 | SlayerXP | greister: it's probably hereditary. |
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| 07:28.49 | SlayerXP | green_earz: intelligence is thought to be genetic. |
| 07:28.54 | SlayerXP | err |
| 07:29.00 | SlayerXP | greister: intelligence is thought to be genetic. |
| 07:29.19 | streuner | SlayerXP: very expensive country... |
| 07:29.38 | SlayerXP | streuner: that's okay, they're paying me shitloads :) |
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| 07:29.56 | zignig | SlayerXP: cool ! , doing what ? |
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| 07:30.04 | SlayerXP | earthquake in iran |
| 07:30.19 | SlayerXP | zignig: rolling out cfengine for a big pharmacorp |
| 07:30.38 | zignig | SlayerXP: very nice , on debian ? |
| 07:30.44 | SlayerXP | zignig: pass. |
| 07:31.29 | zignig | SlayerXP: cfengine docs hurt my brain, do you know of any good primers for cfengine ? |
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| 07:32.22 | SlayerXP | zignig: yes. take a stable gun and imagine using it several thousand times on the people that wrote the cfengine docs. |
| 07:32.36 | SlayerXP | staple |
| 07:32.49 | simonrvn | stable gun sounds bigger |
| 07:33.03 | SlayerXP | yes, they shoot horses ay high velocity |
| 07:33.07 | SlayerXP | at |
| 07:33.39 | zignig | SlayerXP: ah so the docs hurt your brain also. |
| 07:33.51 | SlayerXP | zignig: yes, they're appalling |
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| 07:35.04 | martha | What can I do with a defective DVD? I tried washing it with soap. No dice. |
| 07:35.16 | maher | martha: use it as a coaster |
| 07:35.40 | simonrvn | to go along with your 120-CD AOL collection |
| 07:36.11 | zignig | martha: can't mount it , can't see it at all, has small warty growths on the edges ? |
| 07:36.26 | Happy1 | 这里支æŒä¸æ–‡å—？å¯ä»¥ç”¨ä¸æ–‡æé—®å—？ |
| 07:36.31 | martha | maher: I have enough coasters (all AOL software) |
| 07:37.08 | maher | martha: yeah - sorry - i don't have any useful advice... |
| 07:37.09 | martha | zignig: can't mount or watch it. small scratches |
| 07:37.29 | zignig | martha: try using 'dd' to copy as much as yu can off it. |
| 07:39.08 | SlayerXP | then write "I will not use DVD media to backup my data" on the disk with a black waterproof marker and nail it to your monitor |
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| 07:39.54 | zignig | SlayerXP: what do you reccomend , chizziling the bits into obsidian pyramids ? |
| 07:40.03 | herodes | hi.. |
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| 07:40.39 | martha | zignig: dd: opening `/dev/cdrom': No medium found |
| 07:40.48 | SlayerXP | zignig: sounds reasonable. |
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| 07:41.04 | martha | the strangest thing this DVD doesn't *look* too bad |
| 07:41.16 | herodes | anyone can test if my pc is accepting ssh conections in port 2222?. ip inet :83.165.35.31 |
| 07:42.02 | zignig | martha: ah then you might be in troble then. |
| 07:42.11 | zignig | <PROTECTED> |
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| 07:42.14 | tga | herodes: I would say no |
| 07:42.15 | SlayerXP | herodes: it's not accepting connections |
| 07:42.23 | herodes | ummm |
| 07:43.36 | herodes | iptables -A INPUT -i eth1 -p TCP --dport 2222 -m state --state NEW -j ACCEPT |
| 07:43.44 | herodes | <PROTECTED> |
| 07:43.59 | herodes | where 0.3 is the local ip |
| 07:44.04 | herodes | is that right? |
| 07:44.22 | SlayerXP | it occurs to me that, of the holly and the ivy, when they are both full grown, of all the trees that are in the wood, the holly wears the crown. |
| 07:44.30 | herodes | or only works if you are nating to to other host? |
| 07:44.53 | herodes | ssh listen in 22 |
| 07:46.18 | herodes | do you underestand what i mean? |
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| 07:46.43 | tga | herodes: try -A FORWARD instead of -A INPUT |
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| 07:46.54 | sword | what's going on |
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| 07:47.03 | sword | what filesystem do audio cds use? |
| 07:47.11 | SlayerXP | sword: they don't |
| 07:47.13 | sword | i tried to mount an audio cd to one of my drives and I got an error |
| 07:47.16 | sword | hmm |
| 07:47.16 | SlayerXP | yes |
| 07:47.20 | sword | okay |
| 07:47.25 | SlayerXP | you don't mount audio CDs |
| 07:47.27 | sword | well, im trying to rip a CD of mine |
| 07:47.32 | sword | okay |
| 07:47.36 | maher | sword: use abcde |
| 07:47.41 | sussudio | in soviet russia, CD rips you. |
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| 07:48.17 | sword | heh |
| 07:48.37 | sword | i just want to know how linux handles audio cds |
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| 07:49.06 | herodes | tga, try then |
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| 07:49.20 | jm_ | Linux doesn't handle them, you need a CD player application |
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| 07:49.46 | sword | alright |
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| 07:49.55 | jm_ | well there is audiofs kernel patch, but I don't think it's still maintained |
| 07:50.05 | jm_ | just use CD ripper to rip it, there are a few in Debian |
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| 07:50.21 | herodes | tga, can you? |
| 07:50.32 | tga | herodes: nope, no go |
| 07:50.45 | herodes | :( |
| 07:50.55 | tga | herodes: maybe you have something else in your firewall that's blocking me |
| 07:51.00 | SlayerXP | jm_: http://photos.hinterlands.org/p12043024.html |
| 07:51.37 | jm_ | SlayerXP: why the sign? |
| 07:51.47 | SlayerXP | it was a game |
| 07:51.56 | SlayerXP | you have to guess who you are |
| 07:52.20 | jm_ | ohh |
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| 07:52.55 | SlayerXP | jm_: see also http://photos.hinterlands.org/p12043030.html |
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| 07:53.38 | sword | thanks |
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| 07:53.56 | jm_ | SlayerXP: can't read that |
| 07:54.06 | SlayerXP | click on "full size" at the bottom |
| 07:54.17 | SlayerXP | but it says "The Dalai Lama" |
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| 07:54.38 | jm_ | haha |
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| 07:54.59 | sussudio | spot the spammer. |
| 07:55.06 | sussudio | helix: /cycle |
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| 07:55.23 | helix | CRaCK? |
| 07:55.31 | sussudio | uh huh. |
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| 07:55.34 | simonrvn | yup |
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| 07:55.37 | *** mode/#Debian [-o helix] by helix |
| 07:55.37 | SlayerXP | yeah, same url as earlier |
| 07:55.40 | sussudio | ktnx |
| 07:56.20 | SlayerXP | helix: see line starting "# hey helix" above and repeat :) |
| 07:56.26 | helix | yeah yeah |
| 07:56.33 | helix | :) |
| 07:57.10 | zignig | helix: bleh |
| 07:57.33 | jm_ | blah, need to finally move our DNS server to something newer than potato (hopefully the updates will work after that) |
| 07:57.55 | herodes | tga, retry it to port 22 |
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| 07:58.13 | helix | bleh to you |
| 07:58.18 | zignig | jm_: potato! :) , I replicate mine out of ldap now , so I can regen it really easily. |
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| 07:59.20 | jm_ | zignig: we have a company wide server, but our team uses its own, and updates stopped working at some point - I already have Sarge install ready, but I need to fix it so it will allow lookups |
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| 08:00.06 | zignig | jm_: dns is still black art, good luck :) |
| 08:00.21 | jm_ | it's just a slave server and something must be screwed, but it may well be on remote end, as I haven't touched anything |
| 08:00.32 | jm_ | zignig: to me it is, that's why I don't touch it |
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| 08:01.23 | herodes | tga, can you? |
| 08:01.42 | zignig | jm_: from the slave server type : dig AXFR zone @nameserver , it that does not work , primary server is borked. |
| 08:01.53 | zignig | s/it/if |
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| 08:02.19 | jm_ | zignig: thanks, I'll write it down |
| 08:02.26 | Randall32 | Anyone know how to get lessdisks terminals to copy a host-specific XF86Config-4? /etc/lessdisks/terminals/XF86Config.$host doesn't seem to be used for anything. |
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| 08:03.25 | tga | herodes: nope, sorry |
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| 08:03.50 | jm_ | Randall32: that used to work in XF 4.1, but it seems it's no longer mentioned in 4.3 man pages |
| 08:03.59 | herodes | tga, wanna say.....ssh over 22 not works?? |
| 08:04.15 | jm_ | ahh no it still does, /etc/X11/$XF86CONFIG |
| 08:04.16 | zignig | jm_: It took me 2 years to learn the inherent freakyness of DNS and also the fact that _most_ isps don't follow the rfcs. |
| 08:04.32 | Randall32 | jm: It's a lessdisks issue afaict. |
| 08:04.35 | tga | herodes: exactly |
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| 08:05.22 | jm_ | Randall32: could be, I only toyed with this locally |
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| 08:05.57 | Randall32 | lessdisks seems more flexible than ltsp but it feels a bit unfinished |
| 08:06.15 | Randall32 | The debs like to remove a live installation. |
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| 08:07.21 | ericmf | question on using vanilla /usr/src/linux-x |
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| 08:08.46 | MrKrystal | hi. Where can i find old .deb please ? |
| 08:08.53 | jm_ | what old deb? |
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| 08:09.30 | MrKrystal | jm_: flash 6 |
| 08:09.41 | jm_ | MrKrystal: as in flash player? |
| 08:09.47 | MrKrystal | jm_: yeap |
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| 08:10.05 | jm_ | MrKrystal: that has never been packaged by Debian |
| 08:10.09 | jair_11 | what application on debian let me watch dvds on a computer using a lite on dvd writer and player |
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| 08:10.30 | zeeble | jair_11: xine, mplayer |
| 08:10.34 | MrKrystal | is there an archive of all version of debian packages ? |
| 08:10.35 | Randall32 | xine has menus |
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| 08:10.56 | MrKrystal | jm_: oh ? are you shure. I just checked yesterday, it was |
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| 08:11.01 | jair_11 | zeeble, are you sure they will eork to watch dvds no plug ins to install? |
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| 08:11.54 | zeeble | jair_11: /msg dpkg marillat and install mplayer. see what else you are promtped to install. get those. |
| 08:13.09 | MrKrystal | jm_: http://packages.debian.org/testing/web/flashplugin-nonfree |
| 08:13.41 | jm_ | MrKrystal: that's just installer |
| 08:13.54 | MrKrystal | jm_: that's just what i need. Version 6. |
| 08:14.06 | jm_ | MrKrystal: you'll still need to find a place to download it from - sdn has old Debian packages |
| 08:14.55 | MrKrystal | jm_: old places i just what i look for... What is sdn ? |
| 08:15.27 | jm_ | MrKrystal: /msg dpkg sdn |
| 08:15.44 | cafuego | hat's a frighteningly old script/client |
| 08:15.46 | MrKrystal | ok, thanks |
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| 08:19.45 | Ramstein_fan | sex is good, sex is fine, doggy style or 69. Just for fun or getting paid, everyone loves getting laid. Send this to all pepol who is online!! or you will be doomed to bad sex 4ever |
| 08:20.08 | wali | okee |
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| 08:20.44 | Phated | IRC chainmail... |
| 08:20.49 | Phated | *hahahahhaahhahahahahahahahaha* |
| 08:21.14 | wali | yo |
| 08:21.33 | pro | does anyone know the package name for libgd that includes gif support, for php4? |
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| 08:22.10 | dangereux | coucou |
| 08:22.40 | SlayerXP | Ramstein_fan: you are doomed to bad spelling forever. |
| 08:22.48 | Phated | Heh. |
| 08:22.53 | SlayerXP | Rammstein traditionally has more Ms |
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| 08:23.04 | Phated | pepol? :) |
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| 08:24.07 | qiz | yoyo |
| 08:24.10 | qiz | cq ;qrche |
| 08:24.21 | qiz | kookdwok |
| 08:24.22 | qiz | edewidjew |
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| 08:24.27 | qiz | kel clqvier de ;erde |
| 08:24.31 | Gnea | !troll qiz |
| 08:24.32 | wali | lool |
| 08:24.33 | Phated | !ops qiz |
| 08:24.33 | dpkg | Hydroxide, bob2, caphuso, dondelelcaro, doogie, eeyore-, ElectricElf, greycat, helix, ljlane, LoRez, mentor, Netsnipe, TML, walters, xk: qiz |
| 08:24.37 | tga | is it weirdo hour or something? |
| 08:24.37 | pro | guess i need to compile it by hand? |
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| 08:24.41 | wali | tg |
| 08:24.43 | simonrvn | @lart Ramstein_fan |
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| 08:25.08 | simonrvn | g'bye |
| 08:25.13 | Phated | Go helix, go helix. |
| 08:25.21 | sussudio | +b *.be |
| 08:25.23 | simonrvn | go go go go go |
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| 08:25.33 | Phated | MOSH! |
| 08:25.40 | pro | helix,? and shesux? |
| 08:25.43 | Phated | Er, yeah, sorry, got carried anyway. |
| 08:25.46 | simonrvn | pit |
| 08:25.48 | helix | pro? |
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| 08:25.58 | Phated | Meh? |
| 08:26.01 | Gnea | pro's trying to be funny, and failing |
| 08:26.05 | simonrvn | mosh pit |
| 08:26.05 | MrKrystal | jm_: i don't find flashplugin-nonfree Version 6 on sdn |
| 08:26.13 | pro | helix, and shesux? as in he licks and she sucks |
| 08:26.28 | jm_ | MrKrystal: tough luck |
| 08:26.30 | helix | gosh, that's clever |
| 08:26.40 | simonrvn | <sarcasm /> |
| 08:26.43 | tga | pro: having to explain your puns is usually a bad sign |
| 08:26.50 | Gnea | wow, i was JUST about to tell pro how he could find what he's looking for too |
| 08:26.52 | zeeble | tga: heh |
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| 08:27.40 | Gnea | pro: apt-cache search libgd | grep -i gif |
| 08:27.44 | simonrvn | i think streuner clicked on the close button again |
| 08:27.47 | kneet | mailman on woody - I have 2.0.11-1woody8 installed - security fix to 1woody11 refuses since it says it wants exim-tls (this is a sendmail box). Packages.d.o states that it wants either exim or mail-transport-agent (which is virtual and so not installable for itself). Sendmail is showing mail-transport-agent under provides - so - why does dist-upgrade (or install) show - need to remove sendmail? |
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| 08:28.14 | MrKrystal | i thought there was an archive of _all_ debian packages... Seems not. Can anyone send me the flashplugin.deb, version 6 please. As version 7 sux a lot :/ |
| 08:28.18 | simonrvn | @depends mailman woody |
| 08:28.19 | pro | Gnea, yeah, i tried that, didnt find what i want, also made sure i have non-free in my sources.list |
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| 08:28.29 | torc | hello. will sarge final include 3.4 as the default compiler? |
| 08:28.36 | helix | no |
| 08:28.39 | Gnea | pro: weird, i get 3 results (sarge) |
| 08:28.41 | ravenbird | mailman: depends on libc6 (>= 2.2.4-4), python, logrotate, cron (>= 3.0pl1-42), exim | mail-transport-agent, apache | httpd, debconf |
| 08:29.02 | kneet | Correct - "exim | mail-transport-agent" - sendmail provides mail-transport-agent |
| 08:29.03 | torc | helix: thanks! |
| 08:29.09 | pro | Gnea, yeah, and i installed all 3 it showed. and none of them add the support i need for php4 |
| 08:29.10 | simonrvn | kneet: should work ^^^^. duno why it isn't. is sendmail installed from debian? |
| 08:29.14 | kneet | y |
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| 08:29.45 | Gnea | pro: are you sure php4 is properly linked to them? |
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| 08:30.04 | zeeble | hello Quequeg :) this is ishmael |
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| 08:30.59 | pro | and it did not work, i even restarted apache and all that |
| 08:30.59 | Quequeg | zeeble, heh - I'm not looking to harpoon any whales tonight.... |
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| 08:31.09 | zeeble | Quequeg: heh. ok. |
| 08:31.27 | Gnea | pro: try apt-get install "$pkg"; |
| 08:31.28 | kneet | apt-get install mailman states - needs logrotate. apt-get install mailman logrotate then says new packages pwgen and exim-tls - removed packages sendmail and all that depend on sendmail |
| 08:31.59 | simonrvn | um, why did you remove your MTA? |
| 08:32.08 | pro | a dpkg -l | grep gd shows it is installed |
| 08:32.24 | Gnea | alright, but that still doesn't explain how they're linked |
| 08:32.32 | simonrvn | php4-gd |
| 08:32.39 | SlayerXP | i used to like sendmail, then I got better. |
| 08:32.41 | kneet | simonrvn, as far as I can see I haven't - haven't let it run thru yet |
| 08:33.07 | kneet | SlayerXP, lots and lots of scripts that need to be re-written when/if I change - waiting for the update to sarge b4 I start on that |
| 08:33.17 | simonrvn | well, i need to sleep. hope you get that fixed (seems minor once you get that MTA installed ;) |
| 08:33.20 | pro | i think the problem is that the gd for php links to gd2 and that is a module, and i will have to install the gd2 source rebuild it with gif support and then rebuild the php module, |
| 08:33.32 | SlayerXP | kneet: exim provides a sendmail compatible sendmail binary |
| 08:33.45 | pro | i was just hoping there was an easy way |
| 08:33.50 | kneet | Does it run all the sendmail virtusers etc? |
| 08:33.56 | SlayerXP | a symlink I think |
| 08:34.09 | SlayerXP | kneet: no, it just accepts sendmail style commands |
| 08:34.22 | Quequeg | I'm interested in VPS/VDS hosting w/ an initial basic debian setup, with at least 256mb Ram and > 5gb hd space -- and, of course, I want them to do backups, be reliable, have at least raid-1, etc.. Anyone used a service they are personally happy with (first-hand)? (This would be for small business web-based database apps (postgresql)) |
| 08:34.30 | kneet | This has python scripts to create shell scripts that sync users from LDAP and mailman and which create virtual users |
| 08:34.32 | MrKrystal | i found .tar.gz on sdn O.O . Why . How to convert them to .deb ? |
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| 08:35.05 | SlayerXP | !wayc MrKrystal |
| 08:35.07 | dpkg | MrKrystal: Why are you compiling instead of using apt-get? |
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| 08:35.26 | pro | MrKrystal, if it has debian support in the tar.gz then its easy, if not you need to do some reading on how to build a .deb |
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| 08:35.36 | cat | !wayc SlayerXP |
| 08:35.36 | dpkg | SlayerXP: Why are you compiling instead of using apt-get? |
| 08:35.58 | helix | cat: any luck on your quest to become a DD? |
| 08:36.11 | cat | yeah |
| 08:36.16 | helix | what? |
| 08:36.25 | Gnea | MrKrystal: alien |
| 08:36.42 | MrKrystal | pro:the tar.gz is from sdn ( http://snapshot.debian.net) |
| 08:37.03 | cat | Gnea: alien heck no alien is a rpm to convert them to deb |
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| 08:37.09 | cat | !alien |
| 08:37.09 | dpkg | i guess alien is a program which allows one to convert from one package format to another: slackware to redhat, redhat to debian, debian to slackware, redhat to slackware, etc... it can handle stampede .slp packages as well, or some slimy, green, bug-like, creepy creature from outerspace that came to Earth to have sex with agent Scully, or at http://kitenet.net/programs/alien/ |
| 08:37.30 | helix | I didn't know joeyh wrote that |
| 08:37.32 | Gnea | cat: what? |
| 08:37.40 | Gnea | read it again |
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| 08:38.52 | Gnea | that might not be the actual way to get it done, but if it's the right format it will |
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| 08:39.48 | MrKrystal | Just putting the deb http... link works ! |
| 08:39.53 | MrKrystal | sdn is cool |
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| 08:40.16 | heyciao | hi |
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| 08:41.20 | heyciao | I have the source and I want to build and pack in a .deb. In the source dir I don't have debian/rules. Any suggestion? |
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| 08:43.08 | helix | !nm guide |
| 08:43.08 | dpkg | The New Maintainer's Guide contains an introductory tutorial on the art of making Debian packages. It is located at http://www.debian.org/doc/maint-guide/ |
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| 08:43.16 | helix | heyciao: read that ^ |
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| 08:45.24 | heyciao | helix:thank you |
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| 08:47.22 | pro | Gathond, in ZA your nick means "arsedog" |
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| 08:48.10 | snail | pro: thanks for sharing |
| 08:48.12 | SlayerXP | pro: in english slang, your nick means "whore" or "hooker" |
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| 08:49.26 | helix | SlayerXP: ha, really? |
| 08:49.32 | SlayerXP | helix: yup |
| 08:49.33 | Phated | SlayerXP: You go. :) |
| 08:49.53 | hogballs | my audigy is messed up again. |
| 08:49.57 | pro | SlayerXP, nyamaoy inyou gogogaba, masendaku |
| 08:50.00 | hogballs | i cant remember how to get it going again |
| 08:50.16 | sussudio | pro: ratel ratel ratel ratel |
| 08:50.23 | hogballs | i wonder why it crapped out even after a reboot |
| 08:50.27 | SlayerXP | pro: alnznbl valbh tbtbtnon, znfraqnxh |
| 08:50.40 | hogballs | alsi |
| 08:50.48 | zeeble | wow. talking fire with commas now. |
| 08:50.55 | hogballs | err alsa is prolly the cause |
| 08:51.18 | pro | SlayerXP, and that translated means, your mothers clitoris is long and dirty and hangs in the sand, cunt.... |
| 08:51.20 | hogballs | switching from gnome to kde did it i bet |
| 08:51.29 | helix | sigh |
| 08:51.33 | hogballs | i even went back and forth and shoosh |
| 08:51.36 | SlayerXP | pro: I expect you'll be leaving the channel now. |
| 08:51.41 | helix | pro, SlayerXP: stop speaking to each other |
| 08:52.01 | SlayerXP | helix: but here started it! |
| 08:52.06 | SlayerXP | </13> |
| 08:52.40 | Phated | SlayerXP: That's </8>, mind. |
| 08:52.48 | helix | ok, not really, but stop acting like teenage boys for once |
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| 08:52.56 | SlayerXP | Phated: oh yes, good point. |
| 08:53.06 | draconian | sheesh |
| 08:53.09 | Phated | helix: We cannot deny ourselves! Well, they can't, anyway. :) |
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| 08:53.11 | Phated | SlayerXP: :) |
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| 08:53.38 | mary | dont intend to start a flame war - but - any clues on when php5 is making it to the official servers / |
| 08:54.02 | sussudio | mary: go away plz ktnx |
| 08:54.02 | asuffield | Phated: like you're any better :P |
| 08:54.03 | pro | anyway, i got better things to do than sit around 'arguing' with kids, my code does not write its self. |
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| 08:54.27 | pro | laters all, and Gnea, thanks for tring to help. i just built the module by hand and its working |
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| 08:55.06 | helix | Phated: I think he has a nick hilight for you |
| 08:55.14 | user_ | hey, what was the link about kept-back packages? |
| 08:55.21 | helix | mary: no idea |
| 08:55.24 | sussudio | user_: /msg dpkg kept back |
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| 08:56.42 | asuffield | helix: you're just jealous |
| 08:57.29 | SlayerXP | she's envious, not jealous |
| 08:57.53 | SlayerXP | you're envious of something you don't possess, you're jealous of something you do. |
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| 08:58.04 | helix | yes, lucky Phated getting flirted with by older men with an asian girl fetish :P |
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| 08:58.38 | SlayerXP | helix: she's young enough to be my daughter |
| 08:58.46 | helix | indeed |
| 08:58.52 | SlayerXP | helix: she's young enough to be our daughter, in fact |
| 08:59.00 | helix | ours? no way dude |
| 08:59.02 | asuffield | helix: I'm not flirting |
| 08:59.04 | asuffield | now that was flirting |
| 08:59.25 | helix | yeah yeah |
| 08:59.37 | mary | hrm - anyways - time to go either the dotdeb way or build it myself - or use the freebsd machine.. hrm |
| 08:59.38 | asuffield | what I do is called *harassing* |
| 09:00.12 | helix | mary: well, there are php5 debs in NEW but I'd be surprised if they made it in at all, much less *soon* |
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| 09:00.18 | helix | mary: but the dotdeb ones work |
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| 09:00.51 | helix | asuffield: you do seem to prefer harassing females |
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| 09:03.26 | asuffield | helix: if they aren't female, it's not "harassing", it's "sodomising". that's more Overfiend's thing |
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| 09:03.39 | helix | oh my |
| 09:04.09 | mary | helix: i was looking for sarge packages.. |
| 09:04.20 | helix | mary: oh. dotdeb doesn't have sarge? |
| 09:04.29 | mary | helix: there are some on people.debian.org.. |
| 09:04.49 | helix | eh, by dexter? |
| 09:05.09 | mary | helix: yes.. |
| 09:05.16 | helix | I probably shouldn't discriminate based on build system |
| 09:06.03 | helix | ah |
| 09:06.05 | sussudio | there is no tilde. |
| 09:06.48 | helix | mary: heh, he has them for woody and sid |
| 09:06.52 | mary | helix: except its putting off a lot of devels - quite a few people i know are slowly switching to freebsd.. |
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| 09:07.10 | SlayerXP | people who switch to freebsd get what they deserve |
| 09:07.13 | SlayerXP | i.e. freebsd |
| 09:07.13 | helix | switching to any bsd from debian is semi-insane |
| 09:07.34 | helix | though I gather freebsd is the least insane |
| 09:07.40 | SlayerXP | helix: nope |
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| 09:07.47 | mary | helix: well - as a developer - its working better for them - thats all - no comments on general usability of debian vs freebsd - and lets not degrade this into a flame war |
| 09:07.48 | SlayerXP | freebsd is hoplessly outdated |
| 09:07.48 | helix | openbsd certainly isn't |
| 09:07.57 | helix | mary: ok |
| 09:08.20 | mary | SlayerXP: i have a machine with freebsd 5.3 and latest ports - and definitely its ahead for quite a few devel stuff than debian |
| 09:08.31 | mary | SlayerXP: for example - php5 |
| 09:08.36 | helix | mary: what kind of development? |
| 09:08.40 | helix | web devel? |
| 09:08.49 | mary | helix: for one |
| 09:08.55 | helix | what else? |
| 09:09.16 | SlayerXP | mary: try maintaining more than one freebsd box over a number of years |
| 09:09.22 | SlayerXP | I did, hence I know it's hopeless. |
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| 09:10.10 | mary | anyways |
| 09:10.22 | asuffield | "web developer", indeed. pfeh |
| 09:10.36 | mary | asuffield: so! |
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| 09:11.13 | helix | people have whined about perl too |
| 09:11.16 | spo0nman | Freebsd is hopeless... packagemanagement sucks... |
| 09:11.32 | mary | spo0nman: hehe |
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| 09:11.58 | asuffield | ["What do we call them?" "We don't call them" -- actual exchange I heard with a couple of guys from a development company recently] |
| 09:12.25 | mary | what most of the package management thingamies lack is - views - that of a developer - that of a desktop user and misc - anyways |
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| 09:13.18 | asuffield | php5 is pretty endemic of the species, really. only a web developer would ever want this abomination |
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| 09:13.34 | helix | pity me |
| 09:13.37 | mary | asuffield: why .. - do you sue php5.. just curious - no offense |
| 09:13.44 | spo0nman | poor girl... |
| 09:13.57 | helix | asuffield: yeah, the things we do for money |
| 09:14.01 | mary | php5 + pear make for a brilliant combination.. - for those who can use it that is |
| 09:14.10 | asuffield | of course I don't use php5, I'm not stupid |
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| 09:14.48 | mary | its the same discussion - my language is better than yours - ofcourse i am not stupid enough to know your language |
| 09:14.50 | mary | hehe |
| 09:15.02 | spo0nman | mary: dont use php please... spending some time in writing code helps you in the long run... my 2 cents on rapid development. |
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| 09:15.50 | mary | spo0nman: that doesnt help - my question is why not - php5 is a domain specific language - mostly - and nothing even comes close - but thats just my opinion - thats besides the point |
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| 09:16.08 | mary | the question here being - are there legitimate reasons why php5 is not yet into "debian" |
| 09:16.09 | asuffield | helix: "pathetic" is a good word. I can think of a few others for people who sell themselves for money too :P |
| 09:16.24 | dondelelcaro | !php5 |
| 09:16.24 | dpkg | well, php5 is at ``deb http://packages.dotdeb.org ./'' but remember to read http://devel.dotdeb.org and remove the line or you'll hose your system, or http://lists.debian.org/debian-devel/2004/12/msg01992.html (for sid), but don't yell at us when they break your system |
| 09:16.25 | SlayerXP | asuffield: "consultant" |
| 09:17.00 | mary | dondelelcaro: not yet for sarge.. |
| 09:17.09 | spo0nman | dondelelcaro: he ment to ask, when it'll come packaged with debian? |
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| 09:17.33 | dondelelcaro | mary: it won't be in sarge, because php5 is currently considered by the php4 maintainer to be not suitable for release. |
| 09:17.37 | asuffield | yeah, reason #1: introducing php5 will bring about a whole new wave of bloody php users, and everybody who's ever been involved in php maintainance knows just how much of a disaster that would be; php users are *dumb*. #2: php upstream are no better, and the thing is a godawful mess. #3: not before sarge; php is hard enough to bludgeon into functioning at the best of times |
| 09:17.42 | mary | spo0nman: probably no one wants to answer that - hehe |
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| 09:18.09 | mary | asuffield: for the inefficient and uneducated - yes - php is tough to maintain |
| 09:18.21 | asuffield | because that's the only kind who uses php |
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| 09:18.35 | mary | asuffield: closed world views - alas |
| 09:18.38 | mary | anyways |
| 09:18.38 | dondelelcaro | dpkg: php5 is also see http://bugs.debian.org/262977 |
| 09:18.39 | dpkg | dondelelcaro: okay |
| 09:18.41 | asuffield | no. experienced on. |
| 09:18.43 | asuffield | s/on/one/ |
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| 09:19.09 | dondelelcaro | mary: quite a few of us have maintained rather large bits of software written in php. It's not an experience I would wish on anyone |
| 09:19.25 | asuffield | it's not difficult to see php code nowadays anyway; there's plenty of it about on the internet |
| 09:20.13 | mary | dondelelcaro: badly written code is always difficult to manage - a lot of people give the same opinion about perl and misc - however that is not the point - anyways |
| 09:20.34 | mary | soon this discussion will degenerate into the bloodiness of majority in a democracy - hehe |
| 09:20.47 | mary | cut the discussion over php5 - perhaps i am better of packaging it myself |
| 09:21.04 | dondelelcaro | mary: badly written code is a problem always. However, php has specific features that lend itself towards things that aren't particularly maintainable. |
| 09:21.07 | asuffield | you're better off getting a real language. like tcl. |
| 09:21.08 | spo0nman | mary: its easy to write bad code. but, php is the only language designed to encourage writing bad code. |
| 09:21.29 | asuffield | dondelelcaro: hell, php *is* a feature that lends itself towards unmaintainability |
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| 09:22.19 | dondelelcaro | mary: but, if you want to see why, read the bug report for 262977 and help out. |
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| 09:24.54 | debboy | hey guys. is there a good framework out there for simple web pages? i'm looking for pretty basic static pages, plus an 'upload' page, like attachments in yahoo. are these things standardised yet? |
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| 09:25.34 | dondelelcaro | debboy: there are a few thousand of the things... |
| 09:25.43 | debboy | do any come with debian? |
| 09:26.01 | debboy | i'd love to be able to apt-get those sorts of tools |
| 09:26.11 | zeeble | debboy: plone/zope, wordpress, drupal, textpattern |
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| 09:26.19 | zeeble | debboy: take a look at those. |
| 09:26.25 | debboy | sweet thanks |
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| 09:29.07 | FlimFlamMan | wikipedia crash: "The sticky point is the database servers, where all the important stuff is. Although we use MySQL's transactional InnoDB tables, they can still sometimes be left in an unrecoverable state." |
| 09:29.34 | asuffield | no surprises there. serve them right for using mysql |
| 09:29.35 | jm_ | haha |
| 09:30.30 | FlimFlamMan | asuffield, i knew someone would say it for me :-) |
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| 09:33.12 | FlimFlamMan | heh, some guy has "dbase IIIII" on his resume |
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| 09:33.30 | FlimFlamMan | he shoud have drawn the fifth one diagonally across the other four |
| 09:34.07 | dondelelcaro | why would anyone advertise that they knew dBase? |
| 09:34.16 | helix | heh |
| 09:34.22 | helix | dbase is awful |
| 09:34.27 | aixing | lol |
| 09:34.30 | dondelelcaro | that's like advertising that you learned basic in kindergarten |
| 09:34.41 | helix | dondelelcaro: some people still use it |
| 09:34.47 | helix | like the people at my job |
| 09:34.53 | dondelelcaro | helix: yeah... some people still use basic too... ;-) |
| 09:34.54 | asuffield | your job sucks |
| 09:34.59 | helix | it does |
| 09:35.05 | mary | dondelelcaro: that bug report is fairly vague - will try and build the package myself.. |
| 09:35.15 | FlimFlamMan | clipper is still pretty big in south america |
| 09:35.41 | dondelelcaro | mary: that bug report *IS* the ITP. It explains exactly what is being done. The fact that no package is in the archive, is basically because no one has cared enough to do the work to have it in the archive. |
| 09:35.47 | aixing | helix what do u do? |
| 09:35.55 | helix | dbase myself |
| 09:35.59 | aixing | lol |
| 09:36.09 | dondelelcaro | helix: did you see the gates yet? |
| 09:36.22 | helix | dondelelcaro: no, but the pics I've seen make it seem pretty lame |
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| 09:36.31 | helix | I suppose I might go.. at some point |
| 09:36.36 | FlimFlamMan | i used to love clipper. course that was 20 years ago :-) |
| 09:36.43 | dondelelcaro | helix: hrm... dunno, it's only going to be up for ~16 days... even if it's lame, go see it |
| 09:36.53 | helix | dondelelcaro: yeah, I'll go before I leave |
| 09:37.13 | helix | it should be there til the 28th |
| 09:37.14 | asuffield | dondelelcaro: what sort of stupid idea is that? are you having difficulty with the notion of sunk costs? :P |
| 09:37.16 | helix | mako's been twice |
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| 09:37.25 | asuffield | just because somebody bothered to do something stupid doesn't mean you should waste time looking at it |
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| 09:37.51 | FlimFlamMan | sometimes inspiration comes from unexpected places |
| 09:37.58 | helix | all that orange makes it look like central park is under construction |
| 09:37.59 | dondelelcaro | asuffield: eh, if you're in the city, it's in central park, there are thousands of things to see around central park. |
| 09:38.02 | helix | it reminds me of street cones |
| 09:38.12 | dondelelcaro | asuffield: if it's stupid, you go to the museum instead |
| 09:38.12 | helix | wait, 'saffron' |
| 09:39.21 | helix | dondelelcaro: yeah, I'll probably go to one of those once my feet have recovered |
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| 09:39.38 | FlimFlamMan | i wrote the system used to create work schedules for the "psychics" at the Psychic Hotline in clipper :-) |
| 09:39.39 | dondelelcaro | helix: heh. yeah, the museums are a load of walking |
| 09:39.48 | helix | I wore the totally wrong shoes yesterday |
| 09:40.05 | dondelelcaro | helix: ouch. See, I solve this problem by not owning "wrong" shoes |
| 09:40.25 | helix | they're normally ok, but I hadn't worn them in a while |
| 09:40.42 | asuffield | and not owning shoes that haven't been worn in a while |
| 09:40.46 | debian | exit |
| 09:40.49 | asuffield | both of these things indicate you have too many shoes |
| 09:40.50 | debian | oops |
| 09:41.11 | helix | well, I'd just dropped them in favor of some sneakers about a month ago |
| 09:41.15 | helix | I used to wear them daily |
| 09:41.51 | helix | and I know I've traipsed around nyc in them before, so.. |
| 09:42.01 | dondelelcaro | heh. |
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| 09:42.50 | helix | snow |
| 09:43.00 | asuffield | ahahaha, snow |
| 09:43.10 | helix | yay snow |
| 09:43.10 | dondelelcaro | helix: ah... yeah, I've got a pair of north face shoes for that... |
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| 09:43.34 | heloo | hi |
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| 09:43.37 | heloo | anyone? |
| 09:43.38 | helix | yeah, wearing cute mary janes in the snow is a bad idea |
| 09:43.46 | TSCHAK | is there a telnet BBS inside the main debian apt repository ? |
| 09:43.47 | heloo | Does anyone know how long kde |
| 09:43.54 | heloo | need to be install |
| 09:43.59 | directhex|work | a year |
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| 09:44.11 | heloo | lol :( |
| 09:44.15 | dondelelcaro | heloo: depends on many factors. |
| 09:44.21 | TSCHAK | heloo, how fast is your machine ? |
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| 09:44.31 | TSCHAK | heloo, and more importantly... how much RAM ? |
| 09:44.51 | rabenkind | hello all |
| 09:44.53 | dondelelcaro | this is like asking how long it takes to bake a loaf of bread. |
| 09:44.58 | directhex|work | the 'kde' metapackage is about 700mb, if that helps |
| 09:45.04 | directhex|work | dondelelcaro, three hours! |
| 09:45.15 | dondelelcaro | directhex|work: I see lots of charcol in your future |
| 09:45.33 | rabenkind | is anyone able to help me with x.org? |
| 09:45.41 | dondelelcaro | rabenkind: read /topic |
| 09:46.20 | rabenkind | that means no, right? |
| 09:46.36 | JYL57 | read /vncserver |
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| 09:46.42 | dondelelcaro | rabenkind: that means read /topic; and your question will be answered. |
| 09:47.15 | rabenkind | o_O |
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| 09:47.34 | dondelelcaro | reading... that little used art... |
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| 09:47.41 | heloo | 512 1.7 centrino |
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| 09:48.00 | rabenkind | i dont want to talk to a bot |
| 09:48.02 | helix | heloo: shouldn't take horribly long on that machine |
| 09:48.18 | TSCHAK | heloo, you're looking at about a good 3 hours. |
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| 09:48.45 | heloo | I am also doing over the web install not with cds |
| 09:48.45 | dondelelcaro | rabenkind: so you want to waste our time instead? The stuff that's in the bot is there so we don't have to say it 8 billion times. |
| 09:48.55 | helix | TSCHAK: it's not gonna take 3h on that machine |
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| 09:49.06 | rabenkind | but the bot cant help |
| 09:49.08 | oKtosiTe | During the installation, I get a question that asks me whether I want to let discover manage mount points for me. How do I get that question back to change the answer? |
| 09:49.14 | dondelelcaro | rabenkind: then ask your actual question already. |
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| 09:49.56 | rabenkind | i compiled x.org yesterday, it works fine but now I cant start some x-applications like xterm |
| 09:50.09 | dondelelcaro | then it obviously didn't work fine... |
| 09:50.22 | dondelelcaro | rabenkind: what exactly is the message that xterm is giving you? |
| 09:50.45 | heloo | helix |
| 09:50.46 | heloo | is not |
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| 09:50.54 | rabenkind | command couldnt be executed: xterm |
| 09:51.03 | rabenkind | its in german |
| 09:51.06 | dondelelcaro | rabenkind: uh, that's not an error that it would give you. |
| 09:51.13 | helix | heloo: eh? |
| 09:51.19 | dondelelcaro | rabenkind: export LANG=C; then run xterm again. |
| 09:51.35 | rabenkind | HOW, WITHOUT A CONSOLE??? |
| 09:51.46 | helix | gosh |
| 09:51.46 | dondelelcaro | !tell rabenkind about caps |
| 09:51.47 | rabenkind | i cant get into the other gettys |
| 09:51.47 | Noid | oKtosiTe: dpkg-reconfigure discover, i guess |
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| 09:52.17 | heloo | where you aksing 3hrs for kde install |
| 09:52.19 | heloo | helix |
| 09:52.28 | helix | I'm not |
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| 09:52.50 | dondelelcaro | rabenkind: so use ctrl-alt-f1; login, export DISPLAY=":0.0" LANG=C; xterm; |
| 09:53.06 | PerfDave | rabenkind: Seems you'd better stick to using stuff that's packaged for Debian, since it works and your xorg compile doesn't. |
| 09:53.06 | rabenkind | i told you i cant get into these gettys |
| 09:53.11 | dondelelcaro | rabenkind: why not? |
| 09:53.48 | rabenkind | because this doesnt work, may be because I changed the keyboard driver to "kbd" |
| 09:54.04 | oKtosiTe | Noid, tried that |
| 09:54.05 | rabenkind | but to get into the console i have to shutdown the xserver |
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| 09:54.12 | dondelelcaro | rabenkind: so either kill off X, or log in remotely, or fix your keyboard drive. |
| 09:54.16 | oKtosiTe | Noid, didn't work |
| 09:54.27 | resiak | rabenkind: So you log in through gdm? Pick Lang = c from its menus. |
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| 09:54.42 | dondelelcaro | rabenkind: if you can't get a terminal at all, there's no point in continuing. |
| 09:55.00 | rabenkind | ok, i'll shutdown the xserver, cya |
| 09:55.30 | dondelelcaro | x.org compiled fine, but everything else broke |
| 09:55.33 | dondelelcaro | resiak: dunno... |
| 09:55.52 | resiak | dondelelcaro: Evidently non-console apps work just fine. |
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| 09:56.11 | PerfDave | But then, I have this crazy idea about using stuff that works. |
| 09:56.20 | PerfDave | I guess it's why I gave up on Gentoo. |
| 09:56.25 | dondelelcaro | resiak: suposedly... but then, I've no clue why you can't just go to a console. |
| 09:56.49 | resiak | dondelelcaro: \o/ a lie! \o/ |
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| 09:58.35 | JYL57 | hello, I'm searching log trace of incorrect vncserver startup script, where ?! |
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| 09:59.18 | tactless | Upon upgrading from 2.6.8 to 2.6.9, framebuffer stopped working. I've made sure the relevant options are identical, but whereas setting vga=791 in 2.6.8 works as accepted, it causes the FB console to be unusable in 2.6.9. Downgrading solves, but some other issues I have are fixed in 2.6.9. Any ideas? |
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| 10:00.07 | tactless | Oh, and, this occurs both on my laptop (Intel Extreme Graphics) and desktop (GeForce FX 5700), both using vesafb. |
| 10:00.16 | pif | tactless : use 2.6.10 |
| 10:00.50 | PerfDave | tactless: Any reason why you're using framebuffer? It always made stuff break for me. |
| 10:01.36 | PerfDave | tactless: It might be a known bug in 2.6.9, or it might be some compile options changing if you're rolling your own. |
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| 10:02.03 | heloo | come on people, come to gentoo forum #gentoo |
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| 10:03.43 | tactless | pif: Is this a known issue which was fixed in 2.6.10? |
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| 10:03.54 | fooz | is freedb toast? |
| 10:03.54 | tactless | PerfDave: I like using the console, and I want my 1024x768... |
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| 10:05.46 | tactless | Has framebuffer option syntax changed? Or is it still vga=xxx ? |
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| 10:07.38 | pif | tactless : yep, you should always run latest stable kernels anyway |
| 10:08.29 | pif | and never report bugs before trying the latest version of any software |
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| 10:13.39 | nokia6000 | anyone know if Endeavour Mark II is faster than konqueror? |
| 10:13.55 | nokia6000 | http://wolfpack.twu.net/Endeavour2/ |
| 10:14.08 | WorkerII | nokia6000 : Maybe. |
| 10:14.34 | WorkerII | nokia6000 : I donno Edeavour, but I would suspect someone ran a benchmark or something. |
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| 10:17.30 | blicki | hi all |
| 10:17.50 | resiak | nokia6000: Or perhaps you could try them both. |
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| 10:18.18 | WorkerII | Is it possible to tell famd to not mess with my memorystick? Every now and then, I have to su in order to umount my stick, which gets rather annoying in the long run. I wasn't able to find anything in the man or in the conf-file (which doesn't mean there isn't anything, I am not english, so I miss stuff if they use bad (for me) words.) |
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| 10:18.20 | chris_ | Where would I put a script that I want to run before the networking scripts at bootup? |
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| 10:18.26 | SonnyChiba | is there any way to make ethereal sniff traffic on machine x and display data on another? |
| 10:18.35 | WorkerII | SonnyChiba : Yes there is. |
| 10:18.45 | dud | /etc/init.d/famd stop |
| 10:18.47 | dud | or such? |
| 10:18.50 | jm_ | SonnyChiba: ethereal is a X application, so you can have display elsewhere |
| 10:19.04 | WorkerII | dud: That would work .. but that disables famd altogether. |
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| 10:19.23 | jm_ | chris_: ifup lets you do that in a trivial way |
| 10:19.26 | blicki | is there a way that I can add <file1> on head of <file2> using any shell script language? |
| 10:19.32 | dud | WorkerII, I'm not a great fan of famd hehe |
| 10:19.40 | WorkerII | dud: I am looking for an option to tell famd "Don't mess with /pen*" or something. |
| 10:19.46 | resiak | blicki: cat file1 file2 > newFile1 |
| 10:19.49 | SkippedySkop | hmm i didn't think you could create your own custom error codes, generally i.e. catch the error in php or something, without specifying in a htaccess file or something? |
| 10:19.50 | jm_ | blicki: on head? you mean before? you can use sed |
| 10:20.07 | WorkerII | dud: Famd is not that bad . but it depends on something that is bugged (forgot what it is) |
| 10:20.15 | resiak | blicki: Then mv newFile1 file2 or whatever |
| 10:20.16 | blicki | resiak : I cannot hack on <file2> as it contains 500k lines... |
| 10:20.33 | resiak | blicki: You'll have to move all of those 500k lines down. |
| 10:20.33 | WorkerII | blicki : How could that possibly stop you? |
| 10:20.37 | blicki | <file1> just contains like 2k lines - so easier to hang on |
| 10:20.37 | chris_ | jm_, could you please elaborate on the ifup thing? |
| 10:20.45 | resiak | blicki: Whatever you do, those lines are moving. |
| 10:20.59 | jm_ | chris_: did you read man interfaces? |
| 10:21.09 | chris_ | man pages are usually confusing. |
| 10:21.15 | jm_ | no they're not |
| 10:21.17 | resiak | chris_: That's no excuse not to read them. |
| 10:21.35 | blicki | resiak : its for a maintanance script. the process writes that much lines daily... |
| 10:21.38 | WorkerII | chris_ : You made a very stupid remark there. |
| 10:21.40 | resiak | blicki: Yes, and? |
| 10:22.15 | chris_ | Yes it is. Plus interfaces isn't even an obvious man page to look at. It isn't named after a program I would use like ifup |
| 10:22.15 | resiak | blicki: It will take ... seconds. |
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| 10:22.35 | blicki | resiak : not on this old and overused host... :( |
| 10:22.37 | resiak | chris_: It's named after, erm, the configuration file in question. You can do man conffilename in general. |
| 10:22.41 | jm_ | man page for ifup mentiones you should also read man page for interfaces ... |
| 10:22.46 | blicki | jm_ what about the "sed" idea? |
| 10:22.51 | Azra`el | resiak, not if he's on a sparcstation 5 with 48 meg of ram. =) |
| 10:22.53 | jm_ | blicki: what about it? |
| 10:22.56 | WorkerII | chris_ : Man pages are very very well ordered, so if you get confused by them, it usually means that you either don't understand english, or lack some mental capabilities. |
| 10:22.58 | resiak | blicki: Well, then you're fucked, because in order to put something at the start of the file you have to move all the other lines down. |
| 10:23.09 | resiak | s/f....d/in a tight spot/ |
| 10:23.10 | chris_ | WorkerII, No I didn't. Man pages aren't aimed at me. They are aimed at people that know what they are doing. |
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| 10:23.15 | blicki | resiak : this is what I expected... :( |
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| 10:23.22 | resiak | chris_: You _read_ them and then you know what you're doing :) |
| 10:23.23 | blicki | thanks for the help guys! |
| 10:23.46 | WorkerII | I reckon I should expect no further help regarding famd? |
| 10:23.47 | chris_ | resiak, Some of them are good. Most of them are crap. List of options with no real explanation. |
| 10:23.57 | chris_ | I'm going to look at interfaces and see which one it is. |
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| 10:24.09 | resiak | chris_: man interfaces and /usr/share/doc/ifupdown/ are both excellent. |
| 10:24.15 | rabenkind | re |
| 10:24.23 | rabenkind | somehow i fixed it |
| 10:24.29 | WorkerII | The readme or something says that I should not report it as a bug.. |
| 10:24.40 | resiak | rabenkind: Define "somehow". |
| 10:24.41 | WorkerII | s/readme/readme or something/ |
| 10:24.41 | rabenkind | i removed kdm |
| 10:25.22 | rabenkind | and now I start wmaker manually with startx |
| 10:25.23 | resiak | rabenkind: And that fixed xterm? |
| 10:25.28 | rabenkind | yup |
| 10:25.29 | resiak | rabenkind: Oh, okay. |
| 10:25.33 | resiak | rabenkind: It did? |
| 10:25.35 | resiak | :/ |
| 10:25.44 | rabenkind | and my keyboard works again, too: @@@ |
| 10:26.26 | rabenkind | i can't really explain it, maybe I am just lucky |
| 10:26.26 | resiak | rabenkind: Glad it's fixed. Now let this be a lesson to you: using software that works is generally a better idea. |
| 10:26.26 | rabenkind | thanks anyway |
| 10:26.37 | rabenkind | lol, ok |
| 10:26.47 | rabenkind | are there x.org-debian-packages availiable? |
| 10:26.52 | resiak | rabenkind: READ THE TOPIC! |
| 10:26.55 | resiak | FTLOG. |
| 10:26.55 | jm_ | rabenkind: topic |
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| 10:28.16 | rabenkind | okay thx and goodbye |
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| 10:28.31 | sml | morning peepz |
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| 10:29.05 | cool_blade | Any recommendations for a firewall proggy in SID? |
| 10:29.30 | zeeble | iptables? |
| 10:29.39 | ndazza | cool_blade: for a gui app, try guarddog |
| 10:30.03 | cool_blade | ndazza: thanks, i'll have look, although i'm looking for something console based |
| 10:30.30 | ndazza | cool_blade: i've heard people talk up shorewall |
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| 10:31.41 | Noid | resiak: subtle. |
| 10:31.46 | toresbe | resiak knows a lot of dances |
| 10:31.57 | toresbe | resiak is the Lord Of the Debian Dance |
| 10:32.02 | Azra`el | i have an idea |
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| 10:33.25 | romgo | il y a des francais ici ? |
| 10:33.26 | sml | romgo: perhaps there is a debian-fr ? |
| 10:33.34 | ndazza | romgo: no... |
| 10:33.40 | romgo | i don't know i will look |
| 10:33.42 | romgo | thank you |
| 10:33.44 | toresbe | !french |
| 10:33.45 | dpkg | Vous pouvez obtenir de l'aide sur Debian sur le canal #debian-fr - For help in french, please join #debian-fr |
| 10:33.46 | gu | romgo, yes but you should speak english to them |
| 10:33.52 | pif | romgo : don't give more reason to usians to hate us :) speak english here |
| 10:33.52 | sml | server load is too heavy at the moment to perform a search "/list" |
| 10:34.00 | toresbe | Je n'est pas compris france... |
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| 10:35.24 | sml | j'ai un chien. il s'appelle w00f. |
| 10:35.28 | sml | or something. |
| 10:35.39 | drasko | I've got a question about apache: a site I put on my machine i coplely browsable from my machine, but from other machine all I see is a homepage with no pictures on it... |
| 10:36.26 | resiak | XD |
| 10:36.31 | sml | external or eternal ? |
| 10:36.33 | Noid | that was 3 minutes, not 5 d-: |
| 10:36.51 | resiak | Noid: Shut up. |
| 10:36.52 | resiak | :) |
| 10:37.04 | Noid | resiak: as soon as you learn to count (; |
| 10:37.08 | PerfDave | drasko: You probably screwed up the links for the image sources. |
| 10:37.09 | zeeble | hehe |
| 10:37.31 | resiak | Noid: Hey, I study maths. We don't count any more. :) |
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| 10:38.54 | damripp | whats the deiabn alternative for ICQ? |
| 10:38.57 | Noid | resiak: hehehe 1+2=0 (in Z3 at least) d-: |
| 10:39.07 | resiak | Noid: Yes dear. |
| 10:39.09 | drasko | PerfDave, I don't thing so... It's the php site I dovnloaded from the net... Pictures are in the different folder from index.php, and they can not be reched - I guess the access to them is forbiden somehow, like the access to the other pages... |
| 10:39.13 | sussudio | damripp: not being on a LAME messenger? |
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| 10:39.22 | gu | damripp, centericq for example |
| 10:39.31 | mxn | damripp: apt-get install gaim ... |
| 10:39.48 | mxn | damripp: apt-cache search icq ! |
| 10:40.08 | PerfDave | drasko: *shrug* Try loading the URL for the image directly, see if you get a 404 or a 403. |
| 10:40.28 | orjan | From the description of checkinst: "builds a |
| 10:40.35 | damripp | can u use gaim on tje ICQ network? |
| 10:40.42 | orjan | is that a .deb? |
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| 10:40.52 | PerfDave | damripp: apt-cache show gaim |
| 10:41.00 | PerfDave | !tell damripp -about u |
| 10:41.24 | _barf | hi. little question; just compiled a new fresh 2.6 kernel on my default 2.2 debian install. |
| 10:41.44 | _barf | now the problem is, when I boot the new kernel something is going wrong when spawning the tty's |
| 10:41.53 | _barf | I get the "respawning too fast" message |
| 10:42.04 | orjan | From the description of checkinstall: "builds a binary"..is that a .deb? |
| 10:42.30 | drasko | PerfDave, yes... going to any other page is forbidden, although I can browse all from my local machine... |
| 10:42.34 | damripp | i wood like to tank ewe gies! |
| 10:43.06 | _barf | I tried to replace getty in innittab with mingetty (minimal getty). wouldnt change a damn thing. later on I got an error saying input/output error on /dev/console |
| 10:43.09 | _barf | any ideas on this? |
| 10:43.16 | drac | _barf: 2.6 won't work in woody. |
| 10:43.26 | _barf | drac: ah. any reason why's that? |
| 10:43.41 | drac | _barf: cause woody doesn't provide things like module-init-tools. |
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| 10:43.53 | ricky_clarkson | damripp: eye our well kem |
| 10:43.57 | ricky_clarkson | s/eye/ewe/ |
| 10:44.00 | drac | _barf: stay with 2.2/2.4 or upgrade to sarge and get 2.6 |
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| 10:44.10 | _barf | ok. how do I upgrade to sarge? |
| 10:44.13 | _barf | from a woody install |
| 10:44.19 | _barf | I need 2.6 for cif-fs support |
| 10:44.22 | aidehua | !tell aidehua about java |
| 10:44.23 | PerfDave | drasko: You can browse from your local machine through your webserver? |
| 10:44.24 | _barf | or what's it called (: |
| 10:44.29 | ricky_clarkson | aidehua: /msg dpkg java |
| 10:44.42 | drac | _barf: replace 'stable' from /etc/apt/sources.list to 'sarge' and apt-get update && apt-get dist-upgrade. |
| 10:44.47 | PerfDave | !faq _barf |
| 10:44.48 | dpkg | _barf: http://www.linuks.mine.nu/debian-faq-wiki/ |
| 10:44.49 | aidehua | Sorry -- brain implosion. |
| 10:44.49 | drasko | PerfDave, yes, and everything looks ok. |
| 10:45.04 | _barf | aye aye sir |
| 10:45.07 | PerfDave | drasko: Hmm, then your "php site you downloaded from the net" has some fucked config. |
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| 10:47.49 | drasko | PerfDave, I think it's got to do something with CannonicalName... Someone right now from #apache pointed me to the docs I will look at these now... Thanks! |
| 10:48.11 | resiak | drasko: Canonical, perhaps? |
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| 10:48.43 | drasko | resiak, yes... |
| 10:48.45 | tactless | Upgrading to 2.6.10 does indeed solve the framebuffer problem. |
| 10:48.46 | tactless | Thanks. |
| 10:49.13 | Zta | This is not really a Debian question, but I'm curious... I've got a bluetooth mobile phone, and my laptop has bluetooth installed. The phone can see my box. How do I make a bluetooth service that the phone can use? Can I have fortune become a BT service just for testing? =) |
| 10:49.17 | tactless | Another thing: I have whereami mapped to an ACPI event, and I do not want it running on startup. I've removed whereami from the runlevel, but it still runs: |
| 10:49.39 | tactless | I believe that as a part of /etc/init.d/networking. But that's not in my runlevel... |
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| 10:53.42 | zeeble | heyas markybob |
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| 10:54.11 | zeeble | heh, i just typed scp /path/local1 /path/local2 by mistake and it worked... |
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| 10:54.41 | ricky_clarkson | Nice. |
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| 10:56.07 | karsten_ | What's a goodly number of spamassasin daemons for a destkop single-user box? I found 10 was hogging a lot of RAM, now down to 4. Any reason to need more than 1? |
| 10:56.18 | Azra`el | While doing a net-install, does apt Keep the packages on the box (after installing them) so i can burn them off / put them on a local webserver so while i'm doing more installs i can do them local? |
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| 10:56.55 | karsten | Azra`el: Yes. /var/cache/apt/archives/ |
| 10:57.07 | Azra`el | thank you |
| 10:57.12 | karsten | Azra`el: ...however, if you'd like to do that on an ongoing basis, you wnat apt-proxy |
| 10:57.44 | karsten | Azra`el: ...it acts as a local, on-demand mirror server for Debian packages. You serve up any already downloaded packages locally. Real boon if bandwidth is an issue. |
| 10:58.09 | karsten | !tell Azra`el about apt-proxy |
| 10:58.51 | karsten | zeeble: Yeah, scp will copy local paths if they're specified. I've got a lot of <hostname>:foo files in /tmp. |
| 10:58.51 | raghu | !apt-proxy |
| 10:58.51 | dpkg | apt-proxy is, like, a cool proxy for lots of Debian machines on a network together. Watch out for the upcoming 1.3.0 version which supports http backends too |
| 10:59.02 | ricky_clarkson | raghu: /msg dpkg apt-proxy |
| 10:59.11 | karsten | Azra`el: There's another apt caching tool, name escapes me ATM. |
| 10:59.21 | karsten | raghu: /msg dpkg <factoid> |
| 10:59.34 | zeeble | karsten: yeah. when i typed scp, it was a typo for cp, but was nice to see it work. |
| 10:59.49 | karsten | zeeble: Same trick works for rsync... |
| 10:59.58 | ricky_clarkson | Will scp copy a remote file to a remote file too? |
| 11:00.00 | karsten | zeeble: ...though typoing that for 'cp' is a tad interesting. |
| 11:00.06 | PumpkinPie | !tell PumpkinPie about apt-proxy |
| 11:00.16 | karsten | ricky_clarkson: Well, you can test.... |
| 11:00.40 | ricky_clarkson | karsten: I'm only mildly interested, whereas zeeble is probably trying it out now. |
| 11:00.41 | karsten | ricky_clarkson: tring here.... |
| 11:00.49 | zeeble | ricky_clarkson: heh. no. |
| 11:01.18 | karsten | ricky_clarkson: Apparently not. |
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| 11:01.32 | karsten | ricky_clarkson: ...I could copy remote1 => local; local => remote2. |
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| 11:01.39 | karsten | ricky_clarkson: ...but not remote1 => remote2. |
| 11:01.44 | ricky_clarkson | I have an upload script that sends the file you specify to remotemachine:~/public_html/tmp then prints out the URL for pasting into IRC. That's handy. |
| 11:01.52 | karsten | ricky_clarkson: ...though there's probably semantics to pull something like that off.... |
| 11:02.14 | karsten | ricky_clarkson: ssh <host1> cat /file | ssh host2 cat \> file |
| 11:02.15 | ricky_clarkson | karsten: How about remote1->remote1 (but with a different name)? |
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| 11:02.27 | jm_ | it works for that too |
| 11:02.29 | karsten | ricky_clarkson: $ scp navel:/etc/fstab jung:/tmp |
| 11:02.33 | karsten | ricky_clarkson: Permission denied, please try again. |
| 11:02.37 | karsten | ricky_clarkson: ...FYI. |
| 11:02.39 | jm_ | man page explicitely mentions it |
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| 11:02.52 | karsten | ricky_clarkson: ...Ah. Doh. |
| 11:02.57 | ricky_clarkson | I noticed that when you mount a remote partition with shfs, then do cp from one part of it to another, it downloads and uploads all the data. |
| 11:02.59 | karsten | jm_: ?? |
| 11:03.03 | jm_ | karsten: !! |
| 11:03.08 | karsten | ricky_clarkson: Yes. |
| 11:03.10 | ricky_clarkson | .. |
| 11:03.33 | karsten | ricky_clarkson: Some guy was posting IIRC to d-u asking about tar < local > smb share; gzip smbshare |
| 11:04.07 | karsten | ricky_clarkson: ...which is horribly inefficient: you create a tarfile, and stream it over the net. *Then* read back the tarfile, compress it, and write the compressed data back over the net. |
| 11:04.26 | Chameleon22 | <PROTECTED> |
| 11:04.30 | ricky_clarkson | tar -z solves it? |
| 11:04.43 | karsten | ricky_clarkson: tar czvf <remote>.tar.gz <local> is *much* more efficient: compression is local, compressed data is streamed over the net. |
| 11:04.52 | ricky_clarkson | Chameleon22: Print to file, use ps2pdf, or File->Export to PDF iirc. |
| 11:04.57 | karsten | Chameleon22: Open in OpenOffice.org, print to PDF. |
| 11:05.16 | Chameleon22 | sweet ta |
| 11:05.17 | karsten | Chameleon22: Doh. You can print to PDF directly. |
| 11:05.32 | karsten | ricky_clarkson: Yeah. -z == gzip. -j == bzip2. |
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| 11:06.39 | JRWR | im looking for a Perl/PHP script where it would take a pop3 account and get all the emails off the account (and remove them from the server) and send them to a email/emails |
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| 11:07.10 | Azra`el | j pipes through bzip2 instead of gzip, quite a bit better compression |
| 11:07.10 | jm_ | JRWR: why perl? |
| 11:07.21 | JRWR | for my webserver |
| 11:07.34 | karsten | ricky_clarkson: Hrm. per manpage: scp user@host1:file1 user2@host2:file2 *should* work. |
| 11:07.47 | JRWR | needs to beable to run as a Cron job |
| 11:07.50 | jm_ | well apt-cache search perl pop3 |
| 11:07.51 | karsten | Azra`el: Yes, that's what I said. At the cost of much higher CPU load. |
| 11:08.12 | karsten | Azra`el: ....but (and my email noted this) if it's over network, your network latency is probably well below CPU bottlenecks. |
| 11:08.29 | Azra`el | karston: e-mail? |
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| 11:08.30 | jm_ | JRWR: fetchmail can do that |
| 11:08.36 | Azra`el | i don't recall reading any e-mail. :o |
| 11:08.42 | Azra`el | nobody loves me enough to send me e-mail. :`( |
| 11:08.47 | karsten | Azra`el: I'm discussing a post to debian-user. |
| 11:08.51 | ricky_clarkson | Azra`el: I think karsten refers to... |
| 11:09.20 | karsten | JRWR: A 'fetchmail' process with a local .forward to the user in question might suit your needs. Or just fetchmail directly with an appropriate local processing rule. |
| 11:09.43 | karsten | ricky_clarkson: I *always* refer, never defer.... |
| 11:10.19 | ricky_clarkson | Hmm. |
| 11:10.29 | karsten | ricky_clarkson: Unfortunately, I was defurred a month ago. |
| 11:10.33 | ricky_clarkson | Man with drill at door. karsten, did you call for backup? |
| 11:10.34 | karsten | ricky_clarkson: My cat died. |
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| 11:10.52 | PumpkinPie | I died |
| 11:11.02 | ricky_clarkson | My brother's dog died last week. |
| 11:11.03 | PumpkinPie | a month ago |
| 11:11.32 | karsten | ricky_clarkson: Sucks really bad. He'd been my best buddy for nearly 16 years. |
| 11:11.43 | zeeble | 16! |
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| 11:11.54 | PumpkinPie | karsten: im your best buddy now |
| 11:12.22 | ricky_clarkson | karsten: Handy hint: Get a best buddy with a similar or longer life expectancy than you. |
| 11:12.25 | PumpkinPie | im starting to think this is weird |
| 11:12.31 | ricky_clarkson | karsten: Tortoise or something. |
| 11:12.37 | ricky_clarkson | Or a tree. |
| 11:12.48 | ricky_clarkson | [as long as you don't live in Brazil] |
| 11:12.48 | resiak | ricky_clarkson: Tortoises aren't very good pets, though. Nor are trees. Not furry enough. |
| 11:12.53 | karsten | PumpkinPie: um. Thanks. |
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| 11:13.23 | zeeble | how about some spam? its gross enough. |
| 11:13.23 | JohnFlux | resiak: some cactuses are fairly furry |
| 11:13.27 | karsten | ricky_clarkson: Well, I've got a few mountains on my friends list. Though one *did* try to kill me. |
| 11:13.34 | karsten | ricky_clarkson: ...um, make that two. |
| 11:13.53 | karsten | resiak: Trees *can* be furry if you get them in the right mood. |
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| 11:13.58 | JohnFlux | does anyone have a problem with /var/spool/mail files getting kinda large? |
| 11:13.59 | karsten | resiak: ...unfortunately, that process... |
| 11:14.04 | karsten | resiak: ...can take several centuries. |
| 11:14.11 | JohnFlux | some of the mail files are over 1GB in size. |
| 11:14.19 | JohnFlux | is this okay? |
| 11:14.37 | JohnFlux | or should I get users to move emails into folders or something? |
| 11:14.48 | JohnFlux | or is there a better way ? |
| 11:14.49 | karsten | JohnFlux: Well. Don't keep your mail in /var/spool. Or use maildir / mh format if yoru MTA supports it. |
| 11:15.03 | JRWR | how would i setup fetchmail to send my emails to a email (eg jrwr@nospamming.com) |
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| 11:15.13 | karsten | JohnFlux: ...however, large files, of & by themselves isn't bad. Linux does big files. mbox corruption's bad news. |
| 11:15.25 | sml | JohnFlux: dont use pop3 and "leave messages on server" because imap was designed for that not pop3 |
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| 11:15.36 | JohnFlux | this is on my imap server |
| 11:15.39 | zeeble | JRWR: what? you want fetchmail to download emails from different palces and then send to jrwr@nospamming.com? |
| 11:15.49 | sml | JohnFlux: well in that case its normal. |
| 11:15.56 | JRWR | yes |
| 11:16.12 | sml | JohnFlux: if you have many users you will need LOTS of disk space :) |
| 11:16.27 | karsten | JRWR: man fetchmail. Generally: poll popd.ix.netcom.com with proto APOP |
| 11:16.31 | JohnFlux | i'm not worried about disk space - overall it's less than 6GB |
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| 11:16.34 | karsten | JRWR: user username there with password sUpErSeCrEt is localuser here nokeep |
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| 11:16.55 | JRWR | O.o |
| 11:16.56 | JohnFlux | also the users tend to have email accounts that they share. Like an 'info' account etc that everyone reads |
| 11:17.07 | JohnFlux | this seems bad to me because imap isn't designed for locking like this |
| 11:17.21 | JohnFlux | but it mostly seems to work, so should I just leave alone? |
| 11:17.23 | zeeble | karsten: after he gets the emails with fetchmail. he wants them forwarded to a new address |
| 11:17.32 | karsten | JohnFlux: Forward the mail to user@gmail.com and tell your users you've installed a new mail program.... |
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| 11:17.47 | Azra`el | heh |
| 11:17.54 | karsten | JRWR: ...and for each user, .forward in their home directory, specifying the new delivery address. |
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| 11:18.11 | zeeble | there. that completes it. |
| 11:18.14 | karsten | JRWR: ...that's the traditional trick. You can also specify a local handler in fetchmail. RTFM. |
| 11:18.15 | JohnFlux | karsten: i have thought about it :) No more worries about backups or anything |
| 11:18.21 | Le_Vert | hi |
| 11:18.30 | karsten | JohnFlux: ;-) |
| 11:18.41 | Le_Vert | i need to define a system variable in a bash script |
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| 11:18.45 | Le_Vert | how can i do that ? |
| 11:18.54 | Le_Vert | if I use VAR=xx |
| 11:18.56 | Le_Vert | export VAR |
| 11:19.01 | pigor | how to uninstall a package with all [after uninstallation] unused depenencies? |
| 11:19.04 | Le_Vert | it only works inside the script |
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| 11:19.18 | petemc | pigor: you need to have installed it with aptitude |
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| 11:19.23 | oKtosiTe | During the installation, I get a question that asks me whether I want to let discover manage mount points for me. How do I get that question back to change the answer? |
| 11:19.25 | Le_Vert | pigor > have a look at deborphan |
| 11:19.29 | JohnFlux | karsten: I'm just reading up on maildir - very interesting |
| 11:19.35 | JohnFlux | karsten: I haven't seen this before |
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| 11:19.53 | boycer | oKtosiTe: try dpkg-reconfigure |
| 11:20.37 | oKtosiTe | boycer, dpkg-reconfigure <what?> |
| 11:20.42 | Jon | hi - I'm trying to read a non-finalised, multisession DVD+R. I cannot read it under deb/testing/2.4.27-2-686 ; same machine can read it in XP (so not a drive limitation). Any pointers/ |
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| 11:20.55 | talon | hi @all. where i get a "mysql-max.4.1.x" .deb archive? |
| 11:20.56 | boycer | oKtosiTe: the package you want to reconfigure... |
| 11:21.06 | boycer | oKtosiTe: perhaps discover? |
| 11:21.29 | Le_Vert | <PROTECTED> |
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| 11:22.05 | pigor | Le_Vert: thank you! |
| 11:22.23 | JRWR | mna i never could really undrstand man pages |
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| 11:22.49 | jm_ | Jon: as in get the files off of it? |
| 11:23.14 | Randall32 | Anyone know how to get lessdisks terminals to copy a host-specific XF86Config-4? /etc/lessdisks/terminals/XF86Config.$host doesn't seem to be used for anything. |
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| 11:23.38 | talon | @Le_Vert i can't get no result. |
| 11:23.44 | Jon | jm_: yes. dvd+rw-mediainfo lists the two sessions, but mounting the disc only shows the contents of the first session |
| 11:23.48 | Le_Vert | so it ll be hard to find one |
| 11:23.50 | Le_Vert | google it |
| 11:23.53 | fabietto | i haven't yet resolved my problems with ndiswrapper module: when i try to modprobe it i get a number of error messages like: "/lib/modules/2.4.27/misc/ndiswrapper.o: /lib/modules/2.42.7/misc/ndiswrapper.o: unresolved symobl __udelay"... any suggest about that? |
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| 11:24.23 | jm_ | Jon: you can specify alternative session as a mount option, check if that helps |
| 11:24.46 | Azra`el | :o |
| 11:24.51 | Azra`el | focus follows mouse rocks! |
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| 11:25.43 | resiak | Exactly. |
| 11:26.24 | Azra`el | windows? wassat, some new version of X? |
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| 11:26.33 | Azra`el | (sorry, can't resist a stab at m$) |
| 11:26.44 | resiak | How is one supposed to use it when the menubar is detached from the window in question, so to get to it without it vanishing you have to avoid focusing any other window? |
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| 11:27.47 | Azra`el | menubar? detached? |
| 11:27.53 | resiak | Azra`el: Have you ever used GNUstep |
| 11:27.55 | resiak | Azra`el: ? |
| 11:28.03 | _barf | I dist-upgraded to sarge, but my new 2.6 kernel still doesnt work. same stuff, init says process respawing too fast :( |
| 11:28.03 | jm_ | yes, that's typical for nextstep/openstep and then gnustep |
| 11:28.13 | Azra`el | Can't say i've ever had that issue. |
| 11:28.32 | Azra`el | nope |
| 11:28.36 | Jon | jm_: hmm mounted wihtout complaint; I can see the second session's files now, cheers :) wonder why mount default isn't the most recent session. having some I/O errors but maybe unrelated. |
| 11:28.42 | resiak | Azra`el: Well there you go. If you try it, you'll know what I mean. |
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| 11:29.24 | jm_ | Jon: it would be interesting to check how the code works, as in which session it selects by default (I always thought it's last, but maybe it goes back if there are read errors) |
| 11:29.43 | Azra`el | i have a better idea, i'm going to take a nap while this net-install goes, and be back in an hour or so |
| 11:30.09 | JohnFlux | karsten: how do I use maildir? |
| 11:30.15 | Jon | jm_: yeah, will add it to my to-do list |
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| 11:31.45 | fflush | whats the equivalent to dpkg -x someApp.deb . when dealing with rpm files ? |
| 11:31.52 | Chameleon22 | is there a reason my spell checker is not working in open office? |
| 11:32.15 | jm_ | fflush: why ask here? |
| 11:32.21 | Le_Vert | man rpm |
| 11:32.22 | Le_Vert | :p |
| 11:33.04 | directhex|work | fflush, rpm -ivh, unless you already have a package with the same name installed, or any of the files in the package conflict |
| 11:33.22 | jm_ | you can use rpm2cpio and cpio to get the files from RPM archives |
| 11:33.29 | fflush | i dont wanna install it |
| 11:33.37 | fflush | just extract its contents |
| 11:33.47 | fflush | jm_: humm |
| 11:33.53 | fflush | that seems like it |
| 11:33.54 | directhex|work | fflush, oh. it's a cpio archive. |
| 11:34.14 | directhex|work | fflush, or file-roller in gnome will open .rpm files as archives |
| 11:34.24 | jm_ | mc will do that too |
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| 11:35.27 | TheTecK | Hi all |
| 11:35.37 | TheTecK | I got a problem |
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| 11:35.49 | talon | @Le_Vert thanks. yes i found a mirror. have a nice day |
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| 11:36.41 | TheTecK | I recompile my kernel 2.6.10 and whan i reboot my conputer i get this error message "VFS : Cannot open root device "302" or unknown-block(3,2)" |
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| 11:36.51 | jm_ | tehte;/msg dpkg norootfs |
| 11:36.58 | jm_ | TheTecK ^^^^^ |
| 11:37.04 | directhex|work | then you compiled it incorrectly. don't compile a kernel if you don't know what you're doing |
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| 11:37.53 | TheTecK | i understood this is the only way to have my pcmcia acx100 wifi card working on mly system |
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| 11:38.52 | fabietto | directhex|work: Get Acquainted with Linux Security and |
| 11:38.52 | fabietto | Optimization System |
| 11:39.04 | fabietto | ops... sorry for the copy&paste |
| 11:39.20 | fabietto | directhex|work: i haven't yet resolved my problems with ndiswrapper module: when i try to modprobe it i get a number of error messages like: "/lib/modules/2.4.27/misc/ndiswrapper.o: /lib/modules/2.42.7/misc/ndiswrapper.o: unresolved symobl __udelay"... any suggest about that? |
| 11:39.51 | directhex|work | unresolved symbols mean you have a kernel module compiled against a different kernel source to the one you're currently running |
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| 11:40.04 | grozniy | Hi all, i have problem installing alsa on kernel 2.6.10 (Debian Sid), with 2.6.8 works fine, can anybody help me ? |
| 11:40.19 | tarzeau | resiak: heh |
| 11:40.53 | fabietto | directhex|work: it's not possible, in my opinion... i compiled the module (make && make install) after the kernel upgrade, and i'm now trying to install the module using the same kernel (2.4.27) |
| 11:40.56 | Sunblade | 5 |
| 11:41.06 | Sunblade | damn keyboard |
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| 11:41.20 | directhex|work | even something minor like changing package release number can cause unresolved symbol messages. ensure that your kernel headers or source EXACTLY match your running kernel, then m-a a-i ndiswrapper |
| 11:41.37 | resiak | tarzeau: Tastes differ, i guess. |
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| 11:41.50 | tarzeau | resiak: you still haven't tried? |
| 11:42.01 | directhex|work | module assistant ought to check your kernel source/headers are valid, get some if they're not, or at least throw a meaningful error |
| 11:42.07 | tarzeau | resiak: you want to try http://livecd.gnustep.org it comes with a bunch of handy tools |
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| 11:42.42 | resiak | tarzeau: I already have that live-cd, actually ... oh, is there a new one? |
| 11:43.03 | tarzeau | resiak: it only fixed a few annoyances .. which version do you have? |
| 11:43.12 | resiak | tarzeau: From a few months back. |
| 11:43.24 | sml | ok dont all bite by head off but i have a dvi file under linux how do i view it using "that other operating system" ? if there's no free software i'll just print it off from linux and read it instead (how reading was done in the ol' days ;) ) |
| 11:43.27 | tarzeau | resiak: oh that's stoneage, definitely try out 0.9.4.2 |
| 11:43.32 | resiak | tarzeau: Okay. |
| 11:43.42 | tarzeau | resiak: you mean 0.5 which is over 8 months old |
| 11:44.00 | grozniy | can anybody have a look at my question ,please? |
| 11:44.11 | resiak | tarzeau: Ah. |
| 11:44.51 | sml | ok i take that as a hint i'll spool it off dont worry ;) |
| 11:45.57 | PerfDave | grozniy: If you can't handle Sid, don't run Sid ;) |
| 11:45.59 | fabietto | directhex|work: uhm, i'm using kernel 2.4.27, compiled yesterday with the support enabled for k7 processors (i'm using an athlon xp-m)... in /usr/src i've got the directories kernel-headers-2.4.27-2-k7 and kernel-headers-2.4.27-2 may be here the problem? |
| 11:47.06 | macomber | grozniy: what's wrong ? |
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| 11:47.22 | macomber | alsa does come with the 2.6 kernel |
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| 11:47.49 | grozniy | PerfDave: u can't answer the question don't say bull..stuff :) |
| 11:48.05 | PerfDave | grozniy: I'm giving you sensible advice :) |
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| 11:49.33 | directhex|work | fabietto, yes, that sounds like a problem. you still have the exact kernel source you compiled from? |
| 11:49.34 | grozniy | macomber: hi , problem is that alsa cant start and gives me this error : Setting up ALSA.../etc/init.d/alsa: Warning: 'alsactl restore' failed with error message 'No state is present for card Modem' |
| 11:49.55 | sml | ricky_clarkson: snow update: BLIZZARDS |
| 11:50.08 | macomber | grozniy: but does you sound work ? |
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| 11:50.23 | grozniy | no |
| 11:50.32 | fabietto | directhex|work: yes, i compiled with kernel-source-2.4.27 |
| 11:50.33 | macomber | do you use alsa for your modem too ? |
| 11:50.39 | newbie | <PROTECTED> |
| 11:50.59 | grozniy | maconber: no sound, after i install alsa |
| 11:51.04 | directhex|work | fabietto, make a link to that folder as /usr/src/linux, and run module-assistant auto-install ndiswrapper |
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| 11:51.40 | fabietto | directhex|work: ok, the link already exist... i'm trying module-assistant |
| 11:51.58 | paquin | hi guys... I had a problem upgrading seahorse 0.7.6-1 --> (using .../seahorse_0.7.6-2_i386.deb) because postinst called with unknown argument `upgrade' |
| 11:52.02 | grozniy | maconber: i dont usr modem at all |
| 11:52.10 | jm_ | paquin: check BTS |
| 11:52.29 | streuner____ | + |
| 11:52.38 | streuner____ | typo, sorry |
| 11:52.39 | fabietto | directhex|work: no errors encountered |
| 11:52.42 | paquin | jm_: done, of course :) |
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| 11:52.52 | paquin | i simply used dpkg --remove --force-remove-reinstreq seahorse |
| 11:53.09 | paquin | to get the system upgrade others packages |
| 11:53.14 | johnnyST | Hi I have a readeon ATI card and it is supporetd, but during the installation what do I choose? there is an ATI option but no radeon option. |
| 11:53.32 | directhex|work | fabietto, that compiled & installed an ndiswrapper module for your kernel. try to modprobe ndiswrapper nw |
| 11:53.33 | paquin | that's all. And love :) |
| 11:53.45 | directhex|work | johnnyST, which card, which version of debian, what are you after (2d, 3d) |
| 11:53.57 | newbie | help... |
| 11:54.07 | fabietto | directhex|work: it seems to be loaded! :-) |
| 11:54.09 | SlayerXP | !help newbie |
| 11:54.21 | streuner | johnyST: did you read /msg dpkg ati? |
| 11:54.50 | newbie | <PROTECTED> |
| 11:54.51 | grozniy | maconber: do u know how can i configure alsa or something else for modem ?, or may be is there possibility to disable it ? |
| 11:55.38 | ricky_clarkson | sml: I've never seen a blizzard. |
| 11:55.54 | macomber | grozniy: what version ? |
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| 11:57.14 | DanMarSal | one question i update my kernel to 2.6.10 with debian deb and now i cant burn CDs anyone now how to fix this Thanks |
| 11:57.49 | jm_ | burn it as root |
| 11:57.53 | johnnyST | directhex|work, it is a ATI RV280 (Radeon 9200 PRO) And I am using the latest new sarge installer. |
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| 11:58.21 | Humbe | newbie: apache ain't broke in stable at least. If you're not running stable you should know how to debug things yourself.. Maybe the mod_env.so is in another package.. Try debsums to verify your files.. |
| 11:58.21 | directhex|work | johnnyST, use the ATI driver, which will load the radeon module internally if needed. |
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| 11:58.33 | DanMarSal | i allready try burning like a root and dont work |
| 11:58.35 | paulswm | DanMarSal: Do you have an ATAPI or SCSI CD burner |
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| 11:58.42 | johnnyST | directhex|work, OK I will try that.. |
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| 11:58.45 | DanMarSal | ATAPI |
| 11:58.49 | jm_ | it works fine for me, and I used 2.6.8, .9 and now .10 |
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| 11:59.13 | paulswm | DanMarSal: are you trying to burn with cdrecord |
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| 11:59.29 | DanMarSal | yes and try with k3b to |
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| 12:01.42 | png | i have compiled mplayer successfully but my mplayer doesn't now the esd driver.. When I do mplayer -ao help icant see esound.. |
| 12:01.49 | Coke | My home and end-keys produce ASCII characters instead of moving the cursor to start or end of line. What file do I need to edit to fix this? |
| 12:01.56 | jm_ | png: use Marillat's |
| 12:02.14 | jm_ | Coke: read man page for your shell |
| 12:02.31 | paulswm | DanMarSal: You don't have to use SCSI emulation with ATAPI CD burnarees any more, try 'cdrecord -scanbus -devATAPI', see if your devoce shows up |
| 12:02.41 | paulswm | s/burnarees/burners/ |
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| 12:03.07 | paulswm | Heh, 'burnarees', that's another useful word I made up |
| 12:04.07 | DanMarSal | i see the cd-rw and my dvd-+rw |
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| 12:05.42 | jm_ | DanMarSal: so burn using that device and see how it goes |
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| 12:05.57 | paulswm | DanMarSal: Then you should be able to burn with (I don't remember the exact syntax) -devATAPI:0,0,0 or -dev/dev/hdX where X is your burner of course, sorry I don't remember the exact syntax, but both exaples are close to the two possible opeiotns |
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| 12:06.12 | jm_ | dev=/dev/hdX for cdrecord |
| 12:06.17 | paulswm | options |
| 12:06.33 | paulswm | DanMarSal: Please excuse my typing this morning |
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| 12:10.42 | newbie | <PROTECTED> |
| 12:11.05 | Agrajag- | anyone have any idea why whatever i do to try and mount a cd in my cdrom (/dev/hdb), it says there's no medium found? |
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| 12:12.16 | resiak | Agrajag-: Are you trying to mount a music CD? |
| 12:12.25 | Agrajag- | no.. |
| 12:12.37 | jm_ | it's a read my mind CD ;) |
| 12:12.45 | Coke | Agrajag-: the device /dev/hdb is not a real cdrom |
| 12:12.59 | Agrajag- | .. yes it is |
| 12:13.01 | Agrajag- | dmesg says it is |
| 12:13.08 | Agrajag- | if i eject /dev/hdb the tray spits out |
| 12:13.21 | Agrajag- | so if it's not real... i must be imagining it. which im pretty sure im not. |
| 12:13.25 | Coke | Agrajag-: the filesystem on the cd is unrecognized? |
| 12:13.40 | Agrajag- | i've tried many cds. these same cds work in my other cdrom drive, /dev/hdc |
| 12:13.51 | Coke | Agrajag-: check your fstab |
| 12:14.02 | Coke | Agrajag-: make sure you're not assuming anything about /dev/hdb |
| 12:14.05 | DanMarSal | i allready try with the devtatapi think but this think dont work maybe i need to reinstall de kernel you now how to do that in debian without to much problems |
| 12:14.27 | Coke | DanMarSal: apt-get install kernel-image-<version of your choice> |
| 12:14.27 | Agrajag- | Coke: there's no entries for /dev/hdb |
| 12:15.03 | Coke | Agrajag-: show me the mount command you used |
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| 12:15.51 | Agrajag- | mount -t iso9660 /dev/hdb /media/burner |
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| 12:16.32 | Coke | Agrajag-: and it says? |
| 12:16.44 | Agrajag- | mount: No medium found |
| 12:16.51 | Agrajag- | and yes, there is a cd in there |
| 12:16.52 | Coke | Agrajag-: I'd make sure that you have support for iso9660 and that the cd is indead an iso9660 fs |
| 12:17.05 | cadu | hi! anyone knows a way that i can suppress reporting my logging on my box on /var/run/utmp ? if my boss sees i'm using work box to do my work he'll fire me ;D |
| 12:17.17 | Agrajag- | i've tried many cds. these same cd's mount fine with the other cd drive in this box, /dev/hdc |
| 12:17.33 | SlayerXP | cadu: best start looking for a new job. |
| 12:17.47 | Coke | Agrajag-: what does dmesg say about hdb? |
| 12:18.02 | johnnyST | I got a kernel panic now after the installation I think it dose not load the VIA drivers, can I boo the system from the sarge installation cd? |
| 12:18.04 | cadu | SlayerXP: my boss is an idiot ;D i thought in renaming "who" to "ashkadhs" then creatin a "who" command that would only show what i want ;D |
| 12:18.08 | Coke | cadu: reconfigure syslog? |
| 12:18.29 | cadu | Coke: syslog? can be used on a per user basis ? |
| 12:18.35 | Agrajag- | Coke: hdb: ATAPI 40X CD-ROM CD-R/RW drive, 2048kB Cache |
| 12:18.36 | SlayerXP | cadu: your boss is an idiot, yet you're the one not able to work out how to do this yourself. riiiiight. |
| 12:18.39 | Coke | cadu: no |
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| 12:19.02 | cadu | SlayerXP: i've already worket out , on some dirty way |
| 12:19.14 | cadu | SlayerXP: i thought i could share the ideas with some mroe experienced linux'ers |
| 12:19.14 | Coke | Agrajag-: well then. beats me. |
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| 12:19.34 | Coke | cadu: quit doing illegal stuff |
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| 12:20.07 | cadu | isn't illegal ! it's my box @ work...fucking boss thinks i'm using box @ work to do some P2P'ing from home... |
| 12:20.47 | Coke | cadu: if you are using computers against the owners will in secrecy it sounds like lot like regular systems hacking |
| 12:21.09 | cadu | bleh |
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| 12:21.49 | Coke | cadu: besides, redirecting logs isn't difficult if you have root access. |
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| 12:22.04 | Coke | cadu: you just can't do it on a per-user basis |
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| 12:23.25 | ppires | hi guyd. does any one know if OpenNTP is going to be packaged and used in Debian? |
| 12:23.28 | cadu | Coke: that's what i'm trying to say , i'm box admin |
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| 12:24.28 | Coke | ppires: check whether or not it is in unstable already. |
| 12:24.35 | ^rob^ | hi |
| 12:25.01 | ^rob^ | what's the debian package to config network? - i have to do it manually all the time i reboot |
| 12:25.16 | _rene_ | vi /etc/network/interfaces |
| 12:25.29 | jm_ | ^rob^: man interfaces ; cd /usr/share/doc/ifupdown and read ; apt-cache show etherconf |
| 12:25.30 | ricky_clarkson | sensible-editor |
| 12:25.31 | Sunblade | ^rob^: man interfaces |
| 12:25.42 | ricky_clarkson | An: Funny, but don't. |
| 12:25.55 | _rene_ | or some other editor of your choice :) |
| 12:26.10 | ricky_clarkson | sensible-editor is your editor of choice. |
| 12:26.15 | An | This would be better in a Windows User channel ^^ |
| 12:26.17 | An | :P |
| 12:26.25 | ^rob^ | ty |
| 12:26.52 | An | hmm the quake.net might be a good target |
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| 12:29.03 | ricky_clarkson | !haskell |
| 12:29.03 | dpkg | i guess haskell is a non-strict purely functional programming language, named after the logician Haskell B. Curry. A free implementation is in the hugs package. The language specification is in the haskell-doc package. See http://haskell.org for more info. or GHC is a free Haskell compiler. Ask me about it. Even more perlish than perl!, or very evil In resiak's experience, GHC is _much_ faster than hugs. |
| 12:30.28 | ricky_clarkson | I was gonna add 'haskell is an interface between academics and programming languages' |
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| 12:30.28 | jm_ | you have a few more that fit in there, like oberon |
| 12:30.28 | resiak | ricky_clarkson: Then do :-) |
| 12:30.28 | jm_ | or pascal |
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| 12:30.28 | rsolemnwaning | hi all |
| 12:30.29 | rsolemnwaning | i keep having to use ctrl+alt+F1 just to use this |
| 12:30.29 | rsolemnwaning | chan |
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| 12:30.34 | ricky_clarkson | rsolemnwaning: xterm |
| 12:30.40 | tarzeau | dondelelcaro: unpopular software is fun :) |
| 12:31.10 | tarzeau | rsolemnwaning: what irc client? use gnu screen? |
| 12:31.26 | tarzeau | rsolemnwaning: and then you can use the same thing in X and ctrl-alt-f1 |
| 12:31.30 | rsolemnwaning | bitchx cos im using the gui for root |
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| 12:31.48 | tarzeau | haha what's worse, running X as root or the irc client? |
| 12:31.54 | ndazza | rsolemnwaning: gui for root? what a brilliant idea? |
| 12:31.55 | tarzeau | rsolemnwaning: you shouldn't run either one as root |
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| 12:32.06 | rsolemnwaning | im setting up one of my servers |
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| 12:32.12 | tarzeau | rsolemnwaning: that's not a reason |
| 12:32.26 | rsolemnwaning | I NEED ROOT TO SET SOME STUFF UP |
| 12:33.31 | tarzeau | rsolemnwaning: yes but not to run X as root |
| 12:33.31 | rsolemnwaning | apt-get install cups wont work |
| 12:33.31 | ricky_clarkson | rsolemnwaning: X should not be run as root. BitchX should not be run as root. You can do your setup stuff without running X as root. |
| 12:33.31 | jm_ | that's because cups is not a package name |
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| 12:33.32 | tarzeau | rsolemnwaning: besides my eyes and ears are working properly, no need to rise your voice and cry for attention |
| 12:33.32 | ricky_clarkson | /msg dpkg cups |
| 12:33.37 | ricky_clarkson | /quit Excess Food |
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| 12:34.58 | rsolemnwaning | cups-unstable isnt a package either |
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| 12:35.16 | jm_ | correct, so "apt-cache search cups" is in order |
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| 12:36.03 | magnus | Hi! I'm having some problems with a USB-mouse connected to my laptop. I cannot get it working. I've done everything that is said in "/msg dpkg usbmouse", but only my touchpad works. How do I debug? |
| 12:36.04 | _rene_ | rsolemnwaning: cupsys |
| 12:36.24 | _rene_ | rsolemnwaning: don't ask me why that is named cusys. I never kn(o/e)w either |
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| 12:37.30 | tras1 | when i try to startx i get an error msg: xf86OpenSerial: Cannot open device /dev/input/mice no such device |
| 12:37.30 | tras1 | ive been attempting to solve this for some time now but nothing seems to make a difference |
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| 12:38.10 | simpsonetti | hallo |
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| 12:38.27 | _rene_ | tras1: kernel 2.6? module mousedev loaded? |
| 12:38.32 | simpsonetti | spricht jemand deutsch?? |
| 12:38.36 | ricky_clarkson | !german |
| 12:38.36 | dpkg | hmm... german is #debian.de - deutschsprachige Debian-Hilfe gibt es in #debian.de |
| 12:38.46 | _rene_ | simpsonetti: ja, aber besser Du fragst in #debian.de |
| 12:38.48 | simpsonetti | habe oh sorry |
| 12:38.51 | tras1 | kernel 2.2 module not loaded unless it is so by default |
| 12:38.55 | simpsonetti | ok |
| 12:39.04 | tras1 | _rene- time to recompile kernel? |
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| 12:39.23 | oKtosiTe | rsolemnwaning, you better hope there are no hackers in today... :-P |
| 12:39.33 | _rene_ | tras1: if you built an own one and don't have mousedev build-tin or as a module, yes. otherwise, just load the module |
| 12:40.16 | tras1 | _rene_: got a nice link to a guide on messing with debianated kernels? |
| 12:41.01 | _rene_ | tras1: just load the damn module. modprobe mousedev |
| 12:41.25 | tras1 | not loaded |
| 12:42.23 | slackd00d | modprobe psmouse |
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| 12:42.41 | tras1 | not loaded either |
| 12:42.48 | tras1 | how do i load them? |
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| 12:43.35 | _rene_ | tras1: modprobe mousedev. I did tell you |
| 12:43.44 | _rene_ | oh, define "not loaded" |
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| 12:43.52 | _rene_ | get some error? or what? |
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| 12:43.56 | _rene_ | or just nothing? |
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| 12:44.03 | _rene_ | nothing doesn't mean nothing happened... |
| 12:44.23 | tras1 | it sais modprobe: can't locate module mousedev |
| 12:44.30 | _rene_ | ah |
| 12:44.53 | CAiRO | where does xprt get it's font information from? when i print something in firefox it constantly prints a load of messages that it can't find some fonts |
| 12:45.13 | CAiRO | how could i update the font information? what does it think there are fonts at some places where there arent? |
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| 12:45.54 | valdyn | CAiRO: i dont know, but you dont need to use xprt to print w/ firefox afaik |
| 12:46.13 | tras1 | _rene_: a hint to how i could solve it? |
| 12:46.27 | _rene_ | what does modprobe psmouse say? |
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| 12:46.35 | tras1 | almost the same :( |
| 12:46.37 | _rene_ | which kernel do you use btw? |
| 12:46.39 | daww | How do I mount an usb device (fat)? |
| 12:46.54 | tras1 | its 2.2 .. the one that came with the debian install |
| 12:46.59 | daww | an USB memory? |
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| 12:48.00 | daww | brb, *gone |
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| 12:52.22 | MrKrystal | where can i find kernel-image-2.6.9-1 ? |
| 12:52.26 | CAiRO | valdyn: that's what i said if you look closely :) |
| 12:52.41 | streuner | MrKrystal: /msg dpkg kernel avail |
| 12:52.49 | holycow | http://www.bilder.leantik.de/ <-- heh |
| 12:53.00 | CAiRO | valdyn: ups, sorry, how can i print without xprt in ff? |
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| 12:54.22 | streuner | holycow: looks usually like canada but its germany nowadays :-P |
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| 12:54.50 | MrKrystal | streuner: ?? I don't look for an array, but for a .deb that contains the kernel-image-2.6.9-1 |
| 12:54.50 | jm_ | that's from Geneve |
| 12:54.58 | holycow | streuner, hehe :) |
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| 12:56.45 | streuner | jm_: how do you know that? |
| 12:57.35 | jm_ | streuner: it was on some news site I think, it was spreading on IRC a few months ago |
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| 12:58.30 | bernardo_ | anybody know's a program same acsses?? |
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| 12:59.10 | sussudio | !pt |
| 12:59.10 | dpkg | por favor use #debian-br para ajuda em portugues. |
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| 12:59.43 | cafuego | winter? in february? are you insane? |
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| 13:00.09 | bernardo_ | uhahuauuh |
| 13:00.09 | cafuego | bernardo_: No,. maybe in the new OpenOffice, when that's done. |
| 13:00.26 | cafuego | And stop having seizures on the carpet. |
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| 13:00.48 | bernardo_ | thanks... |
| 13:01.08 | kostasK | is it possible to get an apt-get history? see what has been apt-gotten over the lifetime of the system |
| 13:01.22 | streuner | cafuego: we had usually a few days snow in .de, but now we have a few weeks snow ;-) |
| 13:01.23 | cafuego | kostasK: dpkg -l? ;-) |
| 13:01.35 | resiak | Okay, let's disregard the fact that I am a fool for wanting to use nautilus and hence having to use gnome-settings-daemon rather than the vastly superior xfce-mcs-manager as a GTK themer. How can I stop g-s-d munging my desktop image? The damned Gnome people don't like manpages. |
| 13:01.45 | cafuego | streuner: I'll admit it's not been 40C, but calling 25C winter is going a bit far. |
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| 13:02.44 | ricky_clarkson | 3C in Manchester. |
| 13:02.46 | Coke | resiak: you forgot the more optimal solution of using mutt |
| 13:03.02 | Coke | resiak: oh. nautilus, sorry. :) |
| 13:03.02 | resiak | Coke: You're confusing Nautilus and Evolution. |
| 13:03.11 | KoMMyHNcT | Could somebody kick and ban iNsaNe? He's msg'ing me with bad advertisement. |
| 13:03.13 | Coke | resiak: no, I just had a temporary short cicruit |
| 13:03.16 | resiak | Coke: As it happens, I do use Evolution, but that plays nicely with xfce-mcs-manager. |
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| 13:03.25 | ricky_clarkson | iNsaNe: Is this true? |
| 13:03.30 | callipygous | hey, can somebody help me with compiling links? |
| 13:03.37 | callipygous | im getting stupid errors |
| 13:03.41 | Coke | resiak: well, I just wanted to comment your funny question |
| 13:03.42 | callipygous | with the configure script |
| 13:03.43 | ricky_clarkson | callipygous: apt-get install links |
| 13:03.45 | stew | !wayc callipygous |
| 13:03.46 | cafuego | callipygous: Why are you compiling it? |
| 13:03.46 | dpkg | callipygous: Why are you compiling instead of using apt-get? |
| 13:03.49 | callipygous | ricky_clarkson: can't |
| 13:03.51 | MrKrystal | nvidia and debian, makes it not that much easy. Packages and kernel version don't match :/ |
| 13:03.52 | ricky_clarkson | Why? |
| 13:03.53 | callipygous | im using woody |
| 13:03.57 | callipygous | and woody doesn't have links2 |
| 13:04.02 | ricky_clarkson | backports? |
| 13:04.04 | resiak | !tell MrKrystal about nvidia howto |
| 13:04.09 | cafuego | So you're compiling links2. |
| 13:04.12 | cafuego | !vagueness |
| 13:04.12 | dpkg | VAGUENESS KILLS! |
| 13:04.13 | callipygous | yeah |
| 13:04.16 | MrKrystal | resiak: that's what i'm talkin about |
| 13:04.47 | Putiikki | I want that after boot one user logs automatically in and x starts. how? |
| 13:04.48 | cafuego | callipygous: Backport the source package from sarge; be sure to install build-deps. DO NOT run a tarball. |
| 13:04.53 | resiak | MrKrystal: And this is why it's wise to always install the kernel-headers when you install a kernel-image |
| 13:04.55 | MrKrystal | "method 1" is now impossible to get it work |
| 13:05.02 | petemc | Putiikki: gdm has an autologin feature |
| 13:05.05 | cafuego | Putiikki: Pick kdm or gdm and configure it. |
| 13:05.05 | KoMMyHNcT | ricky_clarkson: iNsaNe is advertising p0rn site |
| 13:05.07 | callipygous | i think ive checked for backports, im on ppc here |
| 13:05.08 | resiak | MrKrystal: I'm too busy right now. |
| 13:05.15 | callipygous | and I don't think there is |
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| 13:05.30 | Putiikki | yep, i know, but is there any lighter dm? |
| 13:05.40 | cafuego | !ops InsaNe Joinbot pron spam. |
| 13:05.43 | dpkg | Hydroxide, bob2, caphuso, dondelelcaro, doogie, eeyore-, ElectricElf, greycat, helix, ljlane, LoRez, mentor, Netsnipe, TML, walters, xk: InsaNe Joinbot pron spam. |
| 13:06.11 | callipygous | yeah, that prick spammed me too |
| 13:06.22 | Coke | Putiikki: how about modifying inittab to login with a user and that users start scripts start x with appropriate wm? |
| 13:06.32 | *** part/#debian streuner (foobar@pD9E5D962.dip.t-dialin.net) |
| 13:06.40 | callipygous | i'll paste a specific error |
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| 13:06.43 | cafuego | It's a bot, not a prick. /msg nickserv help, register a nick, identify, set mode +CE and they won't spam you. |
| 13:06.48 | callipygous | *** The pkg-config script could not be found. Make sure it is |
| 13:06.48 | callipygous | *** in your path, or set the PKG_CONFIG environment variable |
| 13:06.48 | callipygous | *** to the full path to pkg-config. |
| 13:06.54 | Putiikki | Coke: sounds good, but how? :) |
| 13:07.07 | cafuego | callipygous: You're missing build-depends, like I said. |
| 13:07.16 | callipygous | wait |
| 13:07.18 | callipygous | root@toaster-7200:~/links-2.1pre15# echo $PKG_CONFIG |
| 13:07.22 | callipygous | /usr/bin/pkg-config |
| 13:07.38 | Coke | Putiikki: check out /etc/inittab, learn how it works |
| 13:07.46 | Putiikki | ok, i try |
| 13:07.46 | ricky_clarkson | callipygous: ls -l $PKG_CONFIG |
| 13:07.48 | Putiikki | thanks |
| 13:07.51 | streuner____ | !ops iNsaNe spaming us |
| 13:07.52 | dpkg | Hydroxide, bob2, caphuso, dondelelcaro, doogie, eeyore-, ElectricElf, greycat, helix, ljlane, LoRez, mentor, Netsnipe, TML, walters, xk: iNsaNe spaming us |
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| 13:08.16 | ricky_clarkson | cafuego: What's +CE? |
| 13:08.31 | callipygous | total 4 |
| 13:08.31 | callipygous | drwxr-xr-x 2 callipyg callipyg 4096 Feb 18 22:59 tmp |
| 13:08.31 | cafuego | ricky_clarkson: Blocks ctcp and msg from non-ident users. |
| 13:08.40 | Coke | Putiikki: if you always want to use the same user and you don't care much about security and such, you can use sudo -u <user> bash in inittab |
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| 13:08.46 | ricky_clarkson | muy interesante. |
| 13:08.54 | cafuego | ricky_clarkson: muy bien! |
| 13:08.54 | callipygous | oh i should probably do that in the same term i set the vaiable in |
| 13:09.01 | sussudio | !tejon |
| 13:09.01 | dpkg | http://faunaiberica.org/especies.php3?esp=52 |
| 13:09.11 | cafuego | ricky_clarkson: You don't get |
| 13:09.13 | callipygous | root@toaster-7200:~/links-2.1pre15# ls -l $PKG_CONFIG |
| 13:09.13 | callipygous | -rwxr-xr-x 1 root root 94616 Mar 11 2002 /usr/bin/pkg-config* |
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| 13:09.21 | Coke | Putiikki: or su <username> -c bash |
| 13:09.26 | ricky_clarkson | cafuego: mi scussi? |
| 13:09.26 | cafuego | ricky_clarkson: when you've got it set |
| 13:09.31 | Putiikki | Coke: ok |
| 13:09.32 | sussudio | callipygous: stop pasting crap in here. go to #flood. |
| 13:09.38 | Knight_Lord | How can i record an asx stream? It's too slow for me to listen to it on realtime |
| 13:09.59 | jm_ | asfrecorder, mplayer |
| 13:10.00 | Coke | Knight_Lord: what is an asx stream and why can't you just dump it to disk? |
| 13:10.01 | sussudio | Knight_Lord: why don't you ask microsoft? |
| 13:10.01 | cafuego | Knight_Lord: *maybe* with mplayer. |
| 13:10.04 | jm_ | mimms |
| 13:10.11 | ricky_clarkson | cafuego: Like my style? |
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| 13:10.45 | callipygous | well so what is going on? the environment vairable PKG_CONFIG is set |
| 13:10.47 | Coke | Knight_Lord: oh, you have audio coming in and you want to encode it with some codec that makes it ASX? |
| 13:10.50 | ricky_clarkson | Weirdo Dutch prawnstar. |
| 13:10.54 | Knight_Lord | cafuego i can't even get it to play on mplayer :-( |
| 13:10.57 | callipygous | so whats the configure script bitching about? any idea? |
| 13:11.16 | Coke | Knight_Lord: most likely because you haven't installed the codec pack with windows codecs. |
| 13:11.17 | cafuego | Knight_Lord: Tough titties then. proprietary crap. |
| 13:11.21 | Knight_Lord | Coke i want to listen to my home country radio, but the connection is too slow for me to be able to listne to it on real time |
| 13:11.32 | ricky_clarkson | Knight_Lord: Can you record it? |
| 13:11.39 | Knight_Lord | ricky_clarkson that is what i'm asking |
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| 13:11.41 | Putiikki | Coke: would it work if i put "su <username> -c startx" ? |
| 13:11.45 | Coke | Knight_Lord: get the correct codec and then use -dumpaudio in conjunction with -dumpfile |
| 13:11.52 | Piru | it seems !ops are in coma ;) |
| 13:12.01 | cafuego | Putiikki: Pick kdm or gdm and configure it. |
| 13:12.02 | MrKrystal | wooop |
| 13:12.03 | Coke | Putiikki: yeah, but you probably want a shell to start x from, so start bash instead. |
| 13:12.08 | stew | callipygous: are you trying to backport? |
| 13:12.09 | MrKrystal | ops in coma ? |
| 13:12.14 | cafuego | Putiikki: Which part of that did you not understand? |
| 13:12.16 | MrKrystal | let's play ? |
| 13:12.17 | cafuego | MrKrystal: yah |
| 13:12.19 | Knight_Lord | Coke i don't think it's a codec problem. I get this error: size_confirm mismatch!: 30835 28271 |
| 13:12.31 | Coke | Knight_Lord: sounds exactly like a codec problem |
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| 13:12.41 | Knight_Lord | Coke ok i'll look for codecs then |
| 13:12.50 | resiak | sussudio: I love you. "crab" :) |
| 13:12.53 | cafuego | Knight_Lord: apt-get install w32codecs |
| 13:12.53 | Putiikki | cafuego: kdm and gdm are too heavy to my computer |
| 13:13.00 | sussudio | :-| |
| 13:13.02 | Coke | Knight_Lord: there's a big problem with all non-open codecs. |
| 13:13.07 | cafuego | Putiikki: They run for 30 seconds, then are gone. |
| 13:13.09 | resiak | sussudio: In a platonic way :) |
| 13:13.17 | Knight_Lord | w32codecs is already the newest version |
| 13:13.20 | resiak | Putiikki: How light is your computer. |
| 13:13.25 | callipygous | stew: no |
| 13:13.28 | cafuego | !ops WAKE UP ALREADY! |
| 13:13.28 | Coke | Knight_Lord: yeah, but you need mplayer to point it out |
| 13:13.29 | dpkg | Hydroxide, bob2, caphuso, dondelelcaro, doogie, eeyore-, ElectricElf, greycat, helix, ljlane, LoRez, mentor, Netsnipe, TML, walters, xk: WAKE UP ALREADY! |
| 13:13.36 | stew | callipygous: why not? /msg dpkg simple sid backport |
| 13:13.37 | callipygous | im trying to compile source |
| 13:13.53 | cafuego | callipygous: You're ignoring sane advice. SDtop doing that and you might get more help. |
| 13:13.55 | callipygous | stew: i think i checked for a backport, im running debianppc here, not x86 |
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| 13:14.16 | stew | callipygous: we're saying backport it yourself |
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| 13:14.34 | callipygous | ok |
| 13:14.36 | callipygous | im reading the bot |
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| 13:14.41 | CleeK | lo |
| 13:14.41 | Putiikki | cafuego: i thought that gdm takes still memory after login? |
| 13:14.44 | cafuego | callipygous: Backporting is *easy* and doesn't break yourt system. a tarball will. |
| 13:14.45 | CleeK | lo |
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| 13:14.54 | cafuego | Putiikki: It'll get swapped out soon enough. |
| 13:14.56 | bob2 | ? |
| 13:15.02 | bob2 | cafuego: eh? |
| 13:15.05 | streuner | bob2: re-join |
| 13:15.07 | cafuego | bob2: Spambot, insane. |
| 13:15.09 | streuner | the channel |
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| 13:15.11 | callipygous | ahh ok |
| 13:15.21 | Putiikki | cafuego: oh, ok. then i install gdm. thanks |
| 13:15.26 | callipygous | yeah, don't worry, I didn't intend on installing a later .deb |
| 13:15.38 | cafuego | Same dan site again. |
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| 13:15.59 | Knight_Lord | cafuego where do i set the codec location? man mplayer is quite big |
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| 13:16.11 | cafuego | Knight_Lord: apt-get install w32codecs; done. |
| 13:16.22 | cafuego | Knight_Lord: Note that works on ia32 only. |
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| 13:16.39 | Piru | yay |
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| 13:16.45 | Knight_Lord | cafuego yea i'm ia32 and i still get the same error, so maybe it was not a codec problem |
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| 13:16.57 | bob2 | if it's on-join, htf did you notice it? |
| 13:16.58 | cafuego | bob2: cheers, have a cask of south eastern australian riesling. |
| 13:17.08 | bob2 | hah |
| 13:17.09 | cafuego | bob2: New joiners complain when they join. |
| 13:17.19 | bob2 | hm, right |
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| 13:17.25 | Piru | bob2, two previous complaints perhaps? :) |
| 13:17.31 | cafuego | They duunno about !ops, so we help. |
| 13:17.35 | MirageGarage | hey all |
| 13:17.56 | cafuego | Also, I like joinflooding with 42 spam-detector bots ;-) |
| 13:18.07 | ricky_clarkson | Hehe. |
| 13:18.10 | MrKrystal | ops are not here so ? well |
| 13:18.11 | MirageGarage | man, what a hard time connecting to server.. |
| 13:18.17 | ricky_clarkson | MrKrystal: Yes they are. |
| 13:18.19 | jm_ | they are now |
| 13:18.25 | cafuego | MrKrystal: They are, just not opped. |
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| 13:18.54 | ricky_clarkson | !freenode guidelines |
| 13:18.54 | dpkg | methinks freenode guidelines is http://www.freenode.net/channel_guidelines.shtml |
| 13:18.59 | callipygous | can i have both sid and stable in my deb-src line? |
| 13:19.06 | cafuego | callipygous: Yes. |
| 13:19.10 | callipygous | or rather have two separate lines one with sid and one with stable |
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| 13:19.18 | bob2 | hm, out of disk space again |
| 13:19.22 | callipygous | ahh ok, and it won't confuse apt? or shag my system? |
| 13:19.24 | bob2 | suckage |
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| 13:19.32 | bob2 | callipygous: with sources, no |
| 13:19.34 | ricky_clarkson | !shag callipygous' system |
| 13:19.35 | cafuego | callipygous: *only* apt-get source links2, then remove the sid deb-src line. then apt-get build-dep links2. |
| 13:19.37 | bob2 | for binaries, possibly |
| 13:19.40 | MrKrystal | bob2: eternal problem :/ |
| 13:19.54 | bob2 | heh |
| 13:20.03 | callipygous | haha? there really is a !shag command? |
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| 13:20.16 | SpamHog | try it |
| 13:20.18 | sussudio | yes. |
| 13:20.21 | ricky_clarkson | callipygous: There are thousands. Whatever people put in. |
| 13:20.21 | greycat | !literal CMD: shag (.*?) |
| 13:20.22 | dpkg | CMD: shag (.*?) is ($1): <action> gives $1 a good seeing to |
| 13:20.27 | sussudio | !factinfo CMD: shag (.*?) |
| 13:20.27 | dpkg | CMD: shag (.*?) -- created by sussudio <Suss@45dyn70.dh.casema.net> at Sat Apr 6 09:04:03 2002 (1053 days); it has been requested 17 times, last by sussudio at Tue Mar 18 15:00:13 2003. |
| 13:20.36 | MirageGarage | lol' |
| 13:20.38 | MrKrystal | wtf, why debian didn't let kernel-image on their repositories ? |
| 13:20.48 | bob2 | MrKrystal: of course they have |
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| 13:20.49 | ricky_clarkson | MrKrystal: They, um, did. |
| 13:20.52 | callipygous | i like the wtf game |
| 13:20.56 | callipygous | TF: travel fat |
| 13:20.56 | greycat | MrKrystal: there are a lot. |
| 13:21.02 | callipygous | i added TF |
| 13:21.08 | paulswm | Be a pretty poor distro without kernel images |
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| 13:22.18 | SpamHog | Q.: from the CLI, how do I measure the amount of data in a directory? I hate using GUI filemanagers for that! |
| 13:22.18 | ricky_clarkson | The problem with Debian is the colour. |
| 13:22.18 | MrKrystal | bob2: ricky_clarkson : greycat : errrrr... What i'm looking for is kernel-image-2.6.9 and i don't find it. It's a big lack because there _is_ 2.6.8 and 2.6.10, but all others disepeared (or may i not see them ?) |
| 13:22.32 | greycat | why would you want 2.6.9 when 2.6.10 exists? |
| 13:22.32 | bob2 | MrKrystal: yes, old versions go away |
| 13:22.35 | cafuego | SpamHog: du -sh ./directory |
| 13:22.39 | bob2 | SpamHog: du -sh dir |
| 13:22.47 | MirageGarage | is it me, or is linspire crippled as far as updating the system? |
| 13:22.48 | bob2 | 2.6.10 is kinda ass in some respects |
| 13:22.49 | SpamHog | thank you! |
| 13:22.49 | cafuego | SpamHog: See also 'du -sh *' |
| 13:22.51 | bob2 | as was 2.6.9 |
| 13:22.57 | bob2 | (e.g. usb fuckage) |
| 13:23.05 | greycat | !kernel of instability |
| 13:23.05 | dpkg | Linux 2.6. "Andrew's vision, as expressed at the summit, is that the mainline kernel will be the fastest and most feature-rich kernel around, but not, necessarily, the most stable. Final stabilization is to be done by distributors (as happens now, really)..." <http://kerneltrap.org/node/view/3513> |
| 13:23.07 | cafuego | bob2: As on round and good for sitting on? |
| 13:23.07 | slackd00d | 2.6.10 has givin me no errors |
| 13:23.08 | ricky_clarkson | MrKrystal: Maybe 2.6.9 was stupidly broken so it was removed. Dunno. |
| 13:23.09 | bob2 | 2.6.8.1 has been the most stable recent one for me |
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| 13:23.25 | ricky_clarkson | I've been using 2.6.5 for ages. |
| 13:23.32 | MrKrystal | bob2: errrrr, yes, but here there is a gap between 2.6.8 and 2.6.10 and i find it's not very handy (especially when u have to install nvidia "method 1") |
| 13:23.32 | bob2 | MrKrystal: also, make silly incorrect assertions is kinda annoying |
| 13:23.35 | greycat | Linux griffon 2.4.28 #1 Thu Jan 6 08:29:18 EST 2005 i686 GNU/Linux |
| 13:23.44 | cafuego | maybe compiling a kernel with gcc 4.0 was a bad idea, though ;-) |
| 13:23.44 | bob2 | MrKrystal: yes, 2.6.9 is obsolete |
| 13:23.57 | bob2 | MrKrystal: if you have a problem with 2.6.10, please file a bug |
| 13:23.58 | MrKrystal | bob2: silly incorrect assertions ? |
| 13:23.59 | ricky_clarkson | greycat: You're positively stone-age! Fred Flintstone upgrades more than you! |
| 13:24.00 | sussudio | Linux router 2.2.25 #1 Wed Sep 29 03:35:05 CEST 2004 i586 GNU/Linux |
| 13:24.06 | bob2 | MrKrystal: 23:20:39 MrKrystal | wtf, why debian didn't let kernel-image on their repositories ? |
| 13:24.08 | greycat | Linux svr1 2.0.40 #1 Wed Feb 18 10:37:00 EST 2004 i686 unknown |
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| 13:24.16 | cafuego | Linux monolith 2.0.40 #79 Fri Mar 5 01:23:52 CET 2004 i586 |
| 13:24.19 | bob2 | that's either a lie or a very confused statement |
| 13:24.20 | MirageGarage | If I am going to 'update' can I do it whial i am in KDE, or do I have to be in console? |
| 13:24.21 | sussudio | !win greycat |
| 13:24.22 | dpkg | Congratulations, greycat! You have won a lifetime supply of spam! |
| 13:24.24 | ricky_clarkson | Linux ricky 2.6.5-1-686 #5 Fri Apr 30 20:26:13 EST 2004 i686 GNU/Linux |
| 13:24.31 | bob2 | MirageGarage: that's fine |
| 13:24.31 | ricky_clarkson | [yes, I have no imagination] |
| 13:24.36 | cafuego | Pah, #1 is lame. |
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| 13:24.44 | greycat | !win cafuego |
| 13:24.44 | dpkg | Congratulations, cafuego! You have won a lifetime supply of spam! |
| 13:24.47 | MrKrystal | bob2: i don't find anything incorrect here, but maybe it's my english ... |
| 13:24.51 | bob2 | yay for using distro kernels |
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| 13:25.01 | idnar | ricky_clarkson: I think I have you beat (not my fault, though) |
| 13:25.04 | idnar | Linux server.local 2.4.26-server #1 Wed May 26 16:10:52 SAST 2004 i686 GNU/Linux |
| 13:25.08 | bob2 | MirageGarage: linspire being crap is both off-topic and well known ;) |
| 13:25.18 | cafuego | Linux cachaca 2.6.11-rc3 #1 Thu Feb 3 15:53:35 EST 2005 x86_64 GNU/Linux |
| 13:25.27 | MirageGarage | balls. |
| 13:25.30 | greycat | MirageGarage: "whial"?? |
| 13:25.32 | bob2 | yay for using distro kernels |
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| 13:25.42 | guk | Linux solosoft.org 2.6.7-1-686-smp #1 SMP Thu Jul 8 06:08:37 EDT 2004 i686 GNU/Linux |
| 13:25.42 | bob2 | so you don't need to compile at all! |
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| 13:25.46 | MirageGarage | thats right, right? |
| 13:25.50 | ricky_clarkson | Yeah, so everyone knows your bugs! |
| 13:25.50 | Knight_Lord | cafuego my problem was that the file i thought was a stream was actually another file pointing to the stream |
| 13:25.53 | MirageGarage | while |
| 13:25.55 | MirageGarage | lol |
| 13:25.56 | bob2 | guk: 2.6.7 has local root holes |
| 13:26.06 | MirageGarage | whale |
| 13:26.08 | callipygous | really? |
| 13:26.10 | callipygous | oh man |
| 13:26.10 | guk | bob2: yeah ... I need to find a stupid user one of these days |
| 13:26.14 | bob2 | as does 2.6.5, but I assume ricky_clarkson knows that :) |
| 13:26.17 | bob2 | guk: hah |
| 13:26.18 | callipygous | 2.6.7 was the last decent kernel imo |
| 13:26.18 | cafuego | Knight_Lord: Yeah, asx and rm do that, it's annoying. 'less' is your friend :-) |
| 13:26.23 | guk | bob2: since im the only one ... I don't know ... unless I feel like breaking it |
| 13:26.24 | Coke | Knight_Lord: that's what you get for using crappy formats and codecs |
| 13:26.30 | ricky_clarkson | bob2: I do. <font size="reallytiny">Now.</font> |
| 13:26.36 | callipygous | 2.6.9 is decent, but had cd burning issues to begin with |
| 13:26.37 | ricky_clarkson | bob2: What's the hole? |
| 13:26.37 | bob2 | guk: normal exploit in apache + local root hole = rooted box, remember :) |
| 13:26.38 | MirageGarage | so, hmm, theres no way around updating linspire? |
| 13:26.43 | callipygous | 2.6.10 blows |
| 13:26.44 | bob2 | MirageGarage: #linspire |
| 13:26.47 | guk | oh |
| 13:26.51 | bob2 | MirageGarage: it's not Debian. it's not even much like Debian. |
| 13:26.55 | MirageGarage | ooooh, thanks bob2 :) |
| 13:26.57 | guk | when all 3 users of my website care ... im sure i'll bother to fix it |
| 13:27.03 | bob2 | hah |
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| 13:27.10 | ricky_clarkson | cafuego: What"s the hole? |
| 13:27.12 | MirageGarage | its based on debian tho, right? |
| 13:27.15 | guk | [encode_ffmpeg] mpa codec not found ! |
| 13:27.17 | bob2 | MirageGarage: yes |
| 13:27.17 | guk | hmm |
| 13:27.21 | guk | how do I fix that little dixie |
| 13:27.27 | bob2 | MirageGarage: but so are lots of things which are not Debian |
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| 13:27.29 | Phated | Don't make us !based on you. :) |
| 13:27.30 | Knight_Lord | Coke it's the only way i can listen to radio you know |
| 13:27.31 | cafuego | ricky_clarkson: Which hole would that be? |
| 13:27.37 | bob2 | MirageGarage: also, presumably you got some support from them when you gave them money? |
| 13:27.39 | ricky_clarkson | 2.6.5's root exploit. |
| 13:27.40 | guk | I want to convert my of course legal divx file to a DVD ... and transcode thingy won't work ... how would I fix that silly error |
| 13:27.46 | bob2 | ricky_clarkson: iirc it was the vt one |
| 13:27.49 | bob2 | let me see |
| 13:27.50 | MirageGarage | lmao! theres nomore linspire channel |
| 13:27.52 | ricky_clarkson | vt? |
| 13:27.54 | cafuego | ricky_clarkson: I dunno, ask bob2! |
| 13:27.54 | Knight_Lord | Coke it's even worse if i want to watch tv |
| 13:28.00 | greycat | 08:27 Channel Users Name |
| 13:28.00 | greycat | 08:27 #linspire 1 No more LINDOWS? Microsoft attacks Lindows, Inc! ==> |
| 13:28.01 | greycat | <PROTECTED> |
| 13:28.07 | stew | MirageGarage: try a mailing list then |
| 13:28.09 | ricky_clarkson | cafuego: I, um, did. |
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| 13:28.15 | cafuego | Don't expect me to remembers CERT releases from MONTHS ago... |
| 13:28.20 | greycat | MirageGarage: or better still, try installing Debian instead. |
| 13:28.21 | bob2 | hah |
| 13:28.26 | callipygous | E: Build-Depends dependency on links2 cannot be satisfied because the package libpng12-dev cannot be found |
| 13:28.26 | jharrisonwk | either 2.6.8 and 2.6.9 have usb problems or the software raid is screwed up |
| 13:28.29 | callipygous | so much for backporting |
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| 13:28.39 | jharrisonwk | I have a feeling its the software raid |
| 13:28.42 | bob2 | callipygous: pick another libpng-dev package |
| 13:28.43 | MirageGarage | dang |
| 13:28.47 | bob2 | libpng i special |
| 13:28.51 | bob2 | oh, sorry, I mean "shit" |
| 13:28.55 | cafuego | bob2: Your pitiful 56K modem is no match for the mighty 1.5Mb background png! |
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| 13:29.01 | jharrisonwk | but im starting to think it is actually the mdadm package instead |
| 13:29.06 | ricky_clarkson | bob2: You shit libpng? |
| 13:29.07 | bob2 | cafuego: 1.5mbit/s dsl, baybe. |
| 13:29.09 | callipygous | pick it? |
| 13:29.17 | callipygous | oh |
| 13:29.20 | bob2 | ricky_clarkson: there was an 's' in there when I typed it, I swear |
| 13:29.23 | MirageGarage | i was wanting to update KDE. |
| 13:29.23 | cafuego | bob2: iinet have "fixed" my exchange... |
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| 13:29.30 | callipygous | i have an older libpng installed, but nooo.. |
| 13:29.35 | SpamHog | cafuego: describe the pic, DCC |
| 13:29.39 | guk | speaking of 56k modem ... |
| 13:29.43 | guk | I setup an external 56k modem. .. but I got no use for it |
| 13:29.43 | cafuego | SpamHog: what? |
| 13:29.44 | guk | :( |
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| 13:29.55 | bob2 | cafuego: inthe installed-DSLAM-capable-of-8mbit/s sense of "fixed"? |
| 13:29.59 | SpamHog | cafuego: is it so cool? |
| 13:30.02 | cafuego | bob2: yeah... |
| 13:30.05 | SpamHog | I mean the png |
| 13:30.07 | greycat | guk: the most common use these days among the post-dialup crowd would be faxing. |
| 13:30.09 | cafuego | !crack SpamHog |
| 13:30.11 | bob2 | cafuego: bastard |
| 13:30.21 | guk | greycat: yeah ... but prank goatsee faxes are only so fun |
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| 13:30.25 | SpamHog | I shall not cry |
| 13:30.26 | callipygous | can somebody give me advice, I've been taking it and trying backports :S |
| 13:30.37 | cafuego | bob2: I don't for the life of me want their bundled local/long distance call thing, though. |
| 13:30.53 | bob2 | ricky_clarkson: http://isec.pl/vulnerabilities/isec-0017-binfmt_elf.txt: |
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| 13:31.06 | greycat | callipygous: backports to what? woody? |
| 13:31.13 | guk | oh well |
| 13:31.14 | callipygous | yeah |
| 13:31.17 | penta | how can i get debian bleeding age ?? i mean is it testing ?? |
| 13:31.20 | SpamHog | !shag * |
| 13:31.22 | christor | Hello need help to disable the ctrl+alt+backspacce function on the X? |
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| 13:31.27 | greycat | callipygous: uh... well, I guess you'd have to backport libpng12-dev and its matching shared lib |
| 13:31.27 | guk | im sure it's blinking when someone calls is enough to keep me happy |
| 13:31.32 | cafuego | penta: You don't want debian bleedign edge. |
| 13:31.37 | MirageGarage | man alive, i dislike windows... |
| 13:31.38 | christor | Someone can help me? I dont remember the file I ned to change |
| 13:31.41 | callipygous | it says it can't find it :S |
| 13:31.46 | cafuego | penta: You want Sarge (testing). |
| 13:31.47 | SpamHog | bye 4 now, thanks for your help folks |
| 13:31.50 | bob2 | cafuego: hah, yeah |
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| 13:32.05 | greycat | penta: sarge should be good enough for almost any purpose where blood is wanted. |
| 13:32.05 | cafuego | bob2: I'm keeping my finger crossed for new internode plans |
| 13:32.06 | ricky_clarkson | bob2: Ah, so difficult to remotely exploit. Good. |
| 13:32.11 | mruiz | Hi! |
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| 13:32.22 | callipygous | oh dear gawd |
| 13:32.24 | greycat | penta: it's got most of the blood wiped off before you get it, but you could always stab it a few more times |
| 13:32.24 | stew | callipygous: tried w3m? :) |
| 13:32.33 | bob2 | cafuego: hm, yeah |
| 13:32.34 | callipygous | i thought that package management was supposed to stop dependency problems |
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| 13:32.39 | MirageGarage | debconf: unable to initialize frontend: Kde |
| 13:32.39 | MirageGarage | debconf: (Can't locate Qt.pm in @INC (@INC contains: /etc/perl /usr/local/lib/perl/5.8.4 /usr/local/share/perl/5.8.4 /usr/lib/perl5 /usr/share/perl5 /usr/lib/perl/5.8 /usr/share/perl/5.8 /usr/local/lib/site_perl .) at /usr/share/perl5/Debconf/FrontEnd/Kde/Wizard.pm line 7.) |
| 13:32.41 | bob2 | cafuego: agile seems to have DSLAM-replacement plans, too |
| 13:32.45 | guk | callipygous: doesn't stop fucked up users tho |
| 13:32.46 | callipygous | stew, I haven't heard of it |
| 13:32.47 | penta | greycat, cat i have unstable in the source list whats is that called |
| 13:32.49 | MirageGarage | anyone know what that means? :P |
| 13:32.50 | cafuego | callipygous: it does. YOU are trying to mix nonstandard stuff <heh> |
| 13:32.52 | greycat | callipygous: package management means "You don't fucking run new shit on woody." |
| 13:33.05 | bob2 | MirageGarage: dude, seriously, #linspire |
| 13:33.07 | callipygous | well it was YOU guys who told me to backport |
| 13:33.08 | greycat | callipygous: if you want new shit, you run sarge. |
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| 13:33.14 | bob2 | MirageGarage: your linspire problems are off-topic here |
| 13:33.17 | stew | callipygous: w3m is a nice possible alternative to links2 |
| 13:33.19 | mruiz | someone knows a recovery aplication that work with EXT3 filesystem? |
| 13:33.29 | PerfDave | Mmm, I have a quad-CPU Opteron box in my office. |
| 13:33.32 | MirageGarage | bob2: theres no one in there. |
| 13:33.35 | cafuego | bob2: yeah, no plans as of yet for my exchange though. (I did sign the register, but I think I'm the only one here...) |
| 13:33.35 | callipygous | thanks stew, i'll look into it |
| 13:33.37 | bob2 | mruiz: as in undelete? there isn't one. |
| 13:33.41 | callipygous | does it require X tho? |
| 13:33.45 | bob2 | MirageGarage: well, I'm sorry, but it's not our problem |
| 13:33.49 | cafuego | Maybe there's too many Bigpond tards n my suburb. |
| 13:33.59 | bob2 | MirageGarage: you should pick a distribution with better support perhaps ;) |
| 13:34.00 | greycat | !depends w3m sarge |
| 13:34.00 | penta | greycat looks like i have files from all version of debian how can consistance to testing .. without reinstalling |
| 13:34.07 | cafuego | PerfDave: guive us a shell, mate. |
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| 13:34.15 | greycat | penta: delete everything that's not in sarge. |
| 13:34.27 | PerfDave | cafuego: It's not connected to the network yet, and I haven't put Sarge on it ;) |
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| 13:34.48 | cafuego | PerfDave: Sarge x86_64 I hope? |
| 13:34.49 | bob2 | but, 9am meeting totally sleep time |
| 13:34.50 | bob2 | adios, y'all. |
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| 13:35.26 | alele | hi... i changed my /etc/fstab to insert userquota in my "/" but when i reboot, the linux is only in read-only.. how can i rollback? |
| 13:35.28 | PerfDave | cafuego: Yeah. Plan is to use 32-bit userspace and a 64-bit kernel to run 64-bit statically compiled statistical analysis software. |
| 13:35.33 | penta | greycat, whichi is newer untable or testing just wondering |
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| 13:35.40 | greycat | !sid faq |
| 13:35.40 | dpkg | i guess sid faq is http://wooledge.org/~greg/sidfaq.html |
| 13:35.41 | greycat | !faq |
| 13:35.42 | dpkg | The #debian FAQ is at http://www.linuks.mine.nu/debian-faq-wiki/ |
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| 13:35.49 | cafuego | PerfDave: *nod* 32bit chroot is easy. See 'dchroot' |
| 13:35.57 | penta | greycat, thx |
| 13:36.12 | cafuego | PerfDave: I run ia32 sarge in a chroot, works nice. |
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| 13:36.17 | christor | Please I m seearching how to deactivate the ctrl+alt+backspae in the X? |
| 13:36.26 | greycat | christor: grep -i zap /etc/X11/XF86Config-4 |
| 13:36.38 | PerfDave | cafuego: I don't think I'll need a chroot for this. |
| 13:36.57 | greycat | DAMN. It's not in by default apparently. |
| 13:37.27 | dpkg | w3m: depends on libc6 (>= 2.3.2.ds1-4), libgc1, libgpmg1 (>= 1.19.6-1), libncurses5 (>= 5.4-1), libssl0.9.7, zlib1g (>= 1:1.2.1) |
| 13:37.43 | greycat | christor: man XF86Config-4 and search for "zap". |
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| 13:40.26 | alele | quem how can i fix my fstab? |
| 13:41.05 | christor | greycat: Thank you ,now I remember , modifications has been done thx |
| 13:42.43 | penta | i have Thunderbird 0.5 how can i get Thunderbird 1.0 ? |
| 13:43.09 | PerfDave | penta: apt-get update; apt-get install mozilla-thunderbird |
| 13:43.15 | greycat | it's either in Debian or it's not. if it's in debian, install it. if it's not, download it by hand from upstream and install it in /usr/local. |
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| 13:45.13 | penta | PerfDave, when i do that i still get 0.5 :( what version do youhave |
| 13:45.32 | greycat | penta: packages.debian.org |
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| 13:46.32 | PerfDave | penta: Which version of Debian are you running? |
| 13:46.41 | PerfDave | !info mozilla-thunderbird woody |
| 13:46.52 | penta | PerfDave, unstable but its kindf of screwed up install i guess |
| 13:46.57 | PerfDave | Yeah, I didn't think Thunderbird was in Woody. |
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| 13:47.08 | PerfDave | penta: /msg dpkg sid faq |
| 13:47.14 | Alde | hi |
| 13:47.17 | penta | W: GPG error: ftp://ftp.us.debian.org unstable Release: The following signatures couldn't be verified because the public key is not available: NO_PUBKEY F1D53D8C4F368D5D |
| 13:47.24 | penta | why do i get that |
| 13:47.30 | penta | perfdave i have read that |
| 13:48.00 | PerfDave | penta: Because the signatures can't be verified. |
| 13:48.02 | Alde | I get a kernel panic |
| 13:48.05 | PerfDave | !sparc |
| 13:48.06 | dpkg | extra, extra, read all about it, sparc is the CPU architecture used in Sun's proprietary hardware. Non-embedded ones usually run Solaris, but to run Linux on it, visit http://www.ultralinux.org/faq.html or Type make vmlinux (not kernel or bzImage or lilo or anything like that) to compile the kernel. For more information about the SPARC architecture, see http://www.sparc.org. For help with Linux on SPARC look in #debian-sparc |
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| 13:49.24 | AldeBaran_ | Dave: thanx but I've been to ultralinux |
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| 13:51.22 | greycat | none of the 7 people in #debian-sparc are alive? :/ |
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| 13:52.12 | AldeBaran_ | there is a debian-sparc....? kewl.. *swoosh* |
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| 13:53.42 | AldeBaran_ | nope, seems dead |
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| 13:55.04 | AldeBaran_ | man I wish my brain didn't wander all over the place... I have 22 mozilla windows open and 3 internet explorer |
| 13:55.28 | ArtVandalae | IE? |
| 13:55.40 | oogy | the king of softwares |
| 13:55.40 | petemc | its a browser |
| 13:55.41 | jm_ | never heard of tabs? |
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| 13:55.58 | AldeBaran_ | er... 22 tabs even |
| 13:56.05 | AldeBaran_ | but 3 IE windows |
| 13:56.08 | nemo | it's rare I have less than about 30 tabs open |
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| 13:56.16 | greycat | ah, I only have 16 at the moment. |
| 13:56.21 | nemo | I don't bother to bookmark anymore. I just open page in a new tab, and get back to it days/weeks/months later |
| 13:56.50 | stew | its always interesting when you start closing all 2 zillion tabs you have open and start saying, "when tf was i on that site?!?" |
| 13:56.51 | greycat | nemo: I only bookmark things whose URLs I can't remember |
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| 13:57.01 | AldeBaran_ | I'm on a windows machine so I have to reboot at least once a week |
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| 13:57.23 | nemo | greycat: now I only bookmark stuff after I've read it if I'll want to come back to it. I used to bookmark stuff I intended to read, but inevitably I never would... |
| 13:57.25 | greycat | AldeBaran_: you could install Debian on it. |
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| 13:57.41 | nemo | galeon + session management = browsing heaven :) |
| 13:57.42 | AldeBaran_ | grey: no I couldn't... there is too much 'doze software that I need |
| 13:58.14 | PerfDave | AldeBaran_: You don't need Windows software, you just think you do :) |
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| 13:58.17 | Phated | Need is a relative term. |
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| 13:58.21 | paulswm | I have a bookmark folder called "Interesting, check out" which I never seem to get to |
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| 13:58.39 | paulswm | Obviously not all that interesting |
| 13:58.39 | talon | hi @all. please tell me. how i can create a "overide" file? |
| 13:58.40 | Tatus | ff/listchannels |
| 13:58.47 | nemo | paulswm: I have a browser window with several dozen tabs for that ;) |
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| 13:59.04 | paulswm | nemo: Heh |
| 13:59.35 | nemo | talon: what is the context? |
| 14:00.25 | paulswm | If it's really good reference material, like instructions for something, I end up DLing it and inserting it into my internal site anyway in case it goes away |
| 14:00.37 | Phated | Textfiles own. |
| 14:00.46 | Tatus | hello, please where can i finds technical informations about the AS400 machine. thanks. |
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| 14:00.53 | greycat | hahahahaha |
| 14:01.01 | paulswm | Tatus: imb.com? |
| 14:01.01 | Tatus | ? |
| 14:01.04 | paulswm | ibm |
| 14:01.33 | Tatus | yes. ok. thanks. but particulary the AS400 ? |
| 14:01.49 | greycat | Tatus: how the fuck would WE know? there's no AS/400 Debian port. |
| 14:01.51 | Phated | You can bloody well click on the menus on the IBM site... ? |
| 14:02.05 | paulswm | Tatus: Well as IBM make them that's where I thought you'd find it |
| 14:02.05 | stew | Phated: would you mind doing it for him, perhaps? |
| 14:02.08 | greycat | I doubt there ever *will* be, either. |
| 14:02.26 | talon | i loaded up some mysql-packages on the server. now i will install. the howto tell me i need a overide-file to create a packages.gz. |
| 14:02.39 | Phated | stew: Give me a call when mwil son likes udev and I'll do it. |
| 14:02.46 | stew | hah |
| 14:02.48 | scarynetworkguy | Heh. |
| 14:02.55 | paulswm | He, don't hold your breath |
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| 14:03.05 | sussudio | mwilson likes anything? |
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| 14:03.10 | Phated | Links2. |
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| 14:03.36 | stew | Phated: was that a strategically placed space to keep his client from beeping? "mwil son' |
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| 14:03.53 | Phated | stew: Yes, I avoid drawing the wrath of one such as him. |
| 14:03.56 | stew | heh |
| 14:03.59 | paulswm | sussudio: gnome developers, HAHA |
| 14:04.00 | stew | i actually saw him appologize to someone the other day |
| 14:04.04 | Phated | NO |
| 14:04.33 | paulswm | He is intellectually honest, if he makes a mistake he owns up to it. |
| 14:04.34 | Phated | There's just enough time to repent. |
| 14:04.35 | talon | @nemo do you have an idea? |
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| 14:05.00 | scarynetworkguy | Yeah. Just. |
| 14:05.02 | Phated | paulswm: We know, really. We're just playin' witcha. :) |
| 14:05.05 | paulswm | And he is highly entertaining |
| 14:05.07 | nemo | talon: sorry, no |
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| 14:05.15 | stew | Phated: 22:51 < mwil son> x1bncwn: Actually, I owe you an apology... it's enough RAM, but it doesn't mean that the card will do it. |
| 14:05.22 | Phated | Aie. |
| 14:05.24 | sussudio | debian.log.20050211:[04:52] <mwilson> x1bncwn: Actually, I owe you an apology... it's enough RAM, but it doesn't mean that the card will do it. |
| 14:05.27 | sussudio | debian.log.20050221:[21:19] <mwilson> BucWheat: Apologies, I always get the two |
| 14:05.28 | paulswm | Especially if you start talking about maybe his becoming an op |
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| 14:05.29 | sussudio | backwards. |
| 14:05.34 | Phated | Heh. |
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| 14:05.52 | paulswm | I know, I know scarynetworkguy |
| 14:05.56 | scarynetworkguy | paulswm: Heh. |
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| 14:06.19 | talon | @nemo thanks |
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| 14:06.48 | Ashtars_fanclub | I'm trying to learn some iptables tutorial, and it suggests that i look into '/proc/net/ip_conntrac' but there is no such file on my sarge |
| 14:06.51 | paulswm | stew: Then that's at least two, he apologized about something else yesterday as well |
| 14:07.06 | greycat | Ashtars_fanclub: you may have to modprobe something to make it appear |
| 14:07.08 | PerfDave | Ashtars_fanclub: You probably don't have the correct kernel module loaded. |
| 14:07.32 | valdyn | i bet "modprobe ip_conntrac" |
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| 14:09.14 | talon | @all I need to know. How it works a packagesinstall after a manuell upload. please tell me. |
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| 14:09.41 | saintiss | hi |
| 14:09.43 | saintiss | is there a command to list the dependencies of an installed package? |
| 14:09.54 | Ashtars_fanclub | ok |
| 14:09.56 | greycat | saintiss: dpkg, apt-cache |
| 14:09.57 | Phated | saintiss: apt-cache show. |
| 14:09.58 | Ashtars_fanclub | i will try |
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| 14:10.16 | sysdef | talon, upload? do you mean download? |
| 14:11.25 | BucWheat | ahhh i'm having chmod/chown issues. i have a dir that I'm trying to share between two users: mysql and www-data i've chown mysql:www-data -R /var/dir && chmod 777 /var/dir and when www-data tries to rm or write I get permission denied in error.log. what did i do wrong? |
| 14:11.37 | talon | @sysdef no. i put it on the server via ssh. and now i'll install. |
| 14:11.48 | Ashtars_fanclub | ip_conntrac thats it thanks |
| 14:11.50 | sysdef | talon, you can install .deb files with dpkg -i <packagefile> |
| 14:12.01 | greycat | !bless talon |
| 14:12.02 | dpkg | O $DEITY, bless your child talon, who is about to do something stupid and needs all the help you can give. Amen. |
| 14:12.08 | Ashtars_fanclub | conntrack |
| 14:12.42 | stew | BucWheat: having www-data own mysql files seems very dangerous. and 777 is almost never a good idea |
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| 14:13.10 | BucWheat | stew the only reason i'm doing this is because the scripts write to files |
| 14:13.12 | greycat | s/almost // |
| 14:13.20 | stew | BucWheat: why on earth would you need/want your apache server to be able to write to the mysql data directory? |
| 14:13.26 | stew | yeah |
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| 14:13.50 | BucWheat | stew i have a .pl script that queries mysql and mysql writes a file out to /var/run/webapp_data |
| 14:13.55 | talon | @sysdef ok i'll try it. |
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| 14:14.30 | BucWheat | stew the next time this script runs apache needs to be able to remove the old file (which is in the .pl script) |
| 14:15.03 | CleeK | BucWheat, chmod 775 /var/dir ; groupadd www-data-mysql ; chgrp www-data-mysql /var/dir ; usermod -G www-data-mysql www-data ; usermod -G www-data-mysql mysql |
| 14:15.06 | BucWheat | stew i'm trying to make a dir that is a scratch pad for mysql and www-data |
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| 14:15.09 | CleeK | BucWheat, something like that |
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| 14:16.03 | BucWheat | CleeK ahh just like in windows server 2000 or 2003. add the users to a group and then apply the groups perm. to the folder/files |
| 14:16.08 | ppires | whys does /etc/security/limits.conf is formatted in a very different way described on man limits.conf ? |
| 14:16.20 | greycat | ppires: file a bug report against the man page |
| 14:16.32 | CleeK | BucWheat, I was not thinkin about windows but maybe |
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| 14:17.01 | ppires | greycat, i guess the problem is against the limits.conf since i've changed it and nothing happens |
| 14:17.18 | greycat | ppires: or it's a problem with your understanding of how that file works... |
| 14:17.22 | abrotman | ppires: are you sshing in? |
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| 14:17.32 | steve | according to the faq ATI Mobility Radeon 9700 SE 128MB is suported by Sarge; is this correct |
| 14:18.06 | ppires | abrotman, yes |
| 14:18.14 | abrotman | ppires: then you've more reading to do :) |
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| 14:18.24 | abrotman | ppires: that file doesn't work automagically when you ssh in |
| 14:18.26 | greycat | /etc/pam.d/ssh:session required pam_limits.so |
| 14:18.32 | BucWheat | CleeK well thanks i'm trying it |
| 14:18.37 | abrotman | greycat: (sshd_config) |
| 14:18.52 | ppires | greycat, i've done it |
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| 14:19.05 | greycat | abrotman: I don't see any references in sshd_config |
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| 14:19.22 | ppires | abrotman, the problem is not for ssh sessions really. some of my cron scripts won't run because of it |
| 14:19.24 | tell | hi all, i'm trying to share my internet connection with my suse laptop connected with a cross-over to my debian pc. 'dhcpd start' says: No subnet declaration for start (0.0.0.0). How should i edit dhcpd.conf? |
| 14:19.30 | ppires | the limit by ulimit -n is 1024 |
| 14:19.31 | greycat | ppires: BBZZZZZZZTTTT!!! |
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| 14:19.37 | MaximusBr | hello |
| 14:19.44 | abrotman | greycat: see the part about PAM ? |
| 14:19.51 | greycat | ppires: thank you for playing Debian GNU/Linux! We have some lovely parting gifts... |
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| 14:20.13 | greycat | abrotman: mine says "UsePAM yes" |
| 14:20.19 | ppires | greycat, if u're being ironic, i just can't get it. |
| 14:20.20 | abrotman | so yours works :) |
| 14:20.23 | greycat | I see no other Pam or pam or PAM |
| 14:20.26 | stew | tell: you need to have a subnet declaration for every interface on the dhcp server even if you aren't going to offer and address over it. |
| 14:20.27 | abrotman | oh my fucking god .. u're ? |
| 14:20.29 | abrotman | !u |
| 14:20.29 | dpkg | It's YOU. Y-O-U. Not *U*. U is a letter. YOU is a word. See ne1, or wud. Dutch for 'you' (formal singular). See http://ars.userfriendly.org/cartoons/?id=20041201 |
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| 14:20.34 | stew | s/and/an/ |
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| 14:20.45 | abrotman | greycat: PAMKeyboardViaInit or some crap |
| 14:20.50 | FieldySnuts | @lart abrotman |
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| 14:20.52 | abrotman | don't make me go find it :) |
| 14:20.55 | abrotman | FieldySnuts: what did i do? |
| 14:20.56 | greycat | ppires: cron jobs DO NOT LOG IN AND THEREFORE THEY DO NOT CONSULT /etc/pam.d/* AND THEREFORE THEY DO NOT USE pam_limits.so AND THEREFORE... you guess the rest. |
| 14:20.59 | FieldySnuts | abrotman: nothing :) |
| 14:21.03 | abrotman | oh ok |
| 14:21.13 | greycat | I *KNEW* it was going to be something like this. |
| 14:21.26 | greycat | I just absolutely positively KNEW it was going to be something like a daemon. |
| 14:21.34 | tell | stew : thanks, i have this in dhcpd.conf: option subnet-mask 255.255.255.0; what should i alter? |
| 14:21.38 | FieldySnuts | daemons in cron jobs? |
| 14:21.51 | sussudio | ghostbusters? |
| 14:21.56 | FieldySnuts | slimed? |
| 14:21.58 | ppires | it's a c program that parses squid logs |
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| 14:22.25 | greycat | /etc/security/limits.conf should have gigantic flaming red letters at the top of it saying THIS FILE IS ONLY READ WHEN YOU LOGIN, AND DOES NOTHING -- *NOTHING*!! -- AT ALL WHEN YOU HAVE A DAEMON OR A CRON JOB |
| 14:22.35 | ppires | i want it to do it daily, weekly, and monthly. i solved it by adding ulimit -n xxxxx before initiating the program |
| 14:22.38 | FieldySnuts | greycat: i thought it was obvious enough... |
| 14:22.43 | bowman | I need sshd for stable - what am I supposed to do? |
| 14:22.54 | greycat | FieldySnuts: you've been here *how* long and you don't understand the newbie mind? |
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| 14:23.02 | FieldySnuts | greycat: it's still hard. |
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| 14:23.16 | abrotman | greycat: i just remember having to muck with the sshd thing to get ulimits to work via ssh |
| 14:23.17 | Phated | There there, greycat. |
| 14:23.34 | ppires | u are a bunch of egocentric minds |
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| 14:23.40 | ppires | i want to use it .. and i came for help |
| 14:23.45 | ppires | fuck off |
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| 14:23.52 | abrotman | !u |
| 14:23.52 | dpkg | It's YOU. Y-O-U. Not *U*. U is a letter. YOU is a word. See ne1, or wud. Dutch for 'you' (formal singular). See http://ars.userfriendly.org/cartoons/?id=20041201 |
| 14:23.59 | FieldySnuts | good, he let |
| 14:24.00 | FieldySnuts | left |
| 14:24.08 | Phated | At least we're like... minds. |
| 14:24.10 | sdf | hi |
| 14:24.10 | MaximusBr | hi... im a linux n00b, and ive got a question about networking in debian |
| 14:24.29 | stew | tell: i'm not talking about subnet mask, i'm talking about subnet |
| 14:24.31 | FieldySnuts | the aol-speak (u're, n00b) is way up there today |
| 14:24.37 | abrotman | u're .. wtf |
| 14:24.43 | FieldySnuts | is it still sunday somewhere? |
| 14:24.51 | sdf | hjkbh |
| 14:24.54 | abrotman | he went shorthand .. and added an apostrophe ? |
| 14:24.58 | MaximusBr | i dont know how to set op a lan... ive read all documentation but apt still doesnt work |
| 14:25.00 | FieldySnuts | in Soviet Russia, the beams cross YOU |
| 14:25.32 | sdf | hi |
| 14:25.32 | MaximusBr | can anybody help me with this??? |
| 14:25.32 | Phated | It's "ur", but anyway. |
| 14:25.32 | bowman | why is sshd not in stable? |
| 14:25.32 | stew | tell: it seems like you have an interface that is up but with no ip assigned and you need to assign it an address and declare a subnet for it in dhcpd.conf before you start dhcp |
| 14:25.32 | valdyn | !faq MaximusBr |
| 14:25.32 | dpkg | MaximusBr: http://www.linuks.mine.nu/debian-faq-wiki/ |
| 14:25.32 | greycat | bowman: it's "ssh" |
| 14:25.36 | MaximusBr | ty |
| 14:25.40 | MaximusBr | ill read it . :) |
| 14:25.57 | FieldySnuts | another hint, learn about networking basics before attempting to set up dhcpd. |
| 14:26.26 | tell | stew : thanks, but i don't really understand all of it. could you tell me what i should modify in dhcpd.conf exactly? |
| 14:26.50 | travisat | big hint, don't muck with dhcpd unless you have to, static resolves faster |
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| 14:27.20 | bowman | oh thanks greycat, I was already getting very unhappy *g* |
| 14:27.28 | incorrect | is there an option to stop xinetd from throtting connections for a service? |
| 14:27.38 | valdyn | tell: see what travisat said, and its also alot easier to maintain static IP for _small_ networks |
| 14:27.42 | greycat | people use xinetd? |
| 14:27.48 | greycat | outside of red hat? |
| 14:27.52 | Azra`el | yeah =/ |
| 14:28.04 | incorrect | would you just use inetd then? |
| 14:28.05 | CarlosAlex | I have DSL connection of 300kb, but is about 4Kb using squid, how to discover who is using the another 200kb ??? |
| 14:28.22 | greycat | incorrect: I use DJB's tcpserver for most stuff that can't stand alone |
| 14:28.23 | incorrect | i've been using xinetd since potato |
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| 14:28.46 | schuler | has someone some experience with ATI Radeon Mobility 9700 SE in Sarge? |
| 14:28.49 | greycat | CarlosAlex: lartc.org |
| 14:28.58 | sussudio | schuler: badgers |
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| 14:29.11 | tell | travisat : ok, but i'm worried that when i start windows on my pc, the sharing won't work at laptop |
| 14:29.13 | incorrect | greycat, was that your way of advising me to use inetd? |
| 14:29.19 | CarlosAlex | greycat, thanks |
| 14:29.25 | tell | when configured static |
| 14:29.26 | stew | tell: type ifconfig -a; for every interface that shows up there you need a "subnet" declaration in dhcpd.conf which contains its ip address |
| 14:29.53 | travisat | tell: you can have linux static, and windows will still work with its crappy dhcp |
| 14:29.56 | greycat | incorrect: use what you want. read the man pages. |
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| 14:30.10 | greycat | I doubt there are more than a small handful of xinetd users here, though. |
| 14:30.11 | mathieu__ | I've got a problem with the fonts in mplayer |
| 14:30.32 | mathieu__ | they are really small |
| 14:30.51 | lestest | hi there I just compiled ipw2100 kernel module, and after reboot I have an extra eth interface? anybody knows what does it represent? |
| 14:31.02 | prock | mathieu__: mplayer -font |
| 14:31.05 | incorrect | greycat, man page doesn't say, i remember in 98 xinetd was all the rage ;) |
| 14:31.05 | travisat | tell: its not a router setting, just a setting for your comp. if you have a standard router you can assign the ip to 192.168.1.167 or the like |
| 14:31.25 | valdyn | mathieu__: _which_ fonts are small? |
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| 14:31.45 | mathieu__ | the fonts in the file chooser |
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| 14:31.49 | greycat | incorrect: whenever some xinetd user comes into #qmail with a question, they never know the syntax for setting up their own damned xinetd files. |
| 14:31.53 | lestest | I have eth0 for the plugged iface, eth1 for the wireless and eth2???? |
| 14:32.04 | travisat | tell: on your linux, you will also need to setup dns. |
| 14:32.16 | mathieu__ | lestest: perhaps a firewire over ethernet |
| 14:32.19 | greycat | it's like... if you're going to go out of your way to choose this hideously nonstandard replacement for a 20 year old standard unix tool, you'd *BETTER* know how to use it, or we'll just laugh. |
| 14:32.22 | travisat | most likely |
| 14:32.32 | lestest | mathieu__: how do I check? |
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| 14:32.52 | mathieu__ | lestest: dmesg|grep eth2 |
| 14:32.59 | valdyn | mathieu__: various ways to "fix" this, the _proper_ way: man XF86Config-4, read about "DisplaySize", measure you display, add the proper values in /etc/X11/XF86Config-4 |
| 14:33.29 | lestest | mathieu__: right thanks ... :) |
| 14:33.29 | JohnFlux | hey all |
| 14:33.38 | lestest | mathieu__: what is the corresponding module? |
| 14:33.39 | asuffield | not that there's much point in using any form of inetd these days |
| 14:34.14 | greycat | actually my favorite feature of tcpserver is that you don't have to be root to use it. |
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| 14:34.17 | JohnFlux | is there any way i can allow imap access from certain ips but only for specific users |
| 14:34.20 | mathieu__ | you have to blacklist a module, but i don't remember it's name |
| 14:34.25 | MaximusBr | !faw |
| 14:34.29 | MaximusBr | !faq |
| 14:34.29 | dpkg | The #debian FAQ is at http://www.linuks.mine.nu/debian-faq-wiki/ |
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| 14:34.50 | greycat | there's no central "tcpserver.conf" file that requires root privileges to edit. you want to run a service? nohup tcpserver whatever whatever /bin/cat /path/to/myfile & Done. |
| 14:34.57 | dwu | is there a way to kill a an entire ps tree |
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| 14:35.04 | dwu | like a string of process started by one parent |
| 14:35.06 | asuffield | greycat: ...or you could just run the service directly |
| 14:35.06 | lestest | answer is eth1394 |
| 14:35.07 | mathieu__ | valdyn: the problem is just with gtk 1.2 apps, not with gtk 2 apps |
| 14:35.11 | JohnFlux | dwu: kill the parent ;) |
| 14:35.12 | lestest | thanx mathieu__ |
| 14:35.20 | greycat | asuffield: assuming it's a service that required an inetd-like crutch. |
| 14:35.27 | greycat | asuffield: e.g. the "cat file" example above. |
| 14:35.31 | mathieu__ | lestest: i had the same pb with ipw2200 ;-) |
| 14:35.37 | dwu | JohnFlux what if the parent started it in background? |
| 14:35.42 | jpdp | Why would the following yield "invalid argument" "iptables -A PREROUTING -d ipaddr -p tcp -m tcp --dport portnum -j DNAT --to-destination ipaddr:portnum"? |
| 14:35.44 | paulswm | JohnFlux: well that doesn't always work, init might adopt the children |
| 14:35.45 | asuffield | greycat: bah, who wants to do that anyway? all such services should have been thoroughly killed by now |
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| 14:35.54 | valdyn | mathieu__: i know, gtk2 apps get the DPI setting from elsewhere, ( gnome-font-properties ) |
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| 14:36.12 | travisat | errg I hate java |
| 14:36.22 | asuffield | it's not like the listen-and-daemonise code is more than a dozen or so lines |
| 14:36.43 | dfsg | valdyn: During the x-window-system setup one can choose what font wrapper (or it wasn't a wrapper) to choose for the display: auto, for LCD and for 'normal' monitors. If I choose 'normal' the XMMS program happens to occupy more space on my display, but if I choose 'auto' it's ok. How do these two relay? |
| 14:37.14 | valdyn | dfsg: no idea |
| 14:37.32 | JohnFlux | paulswm: it depends on whether the child ignores HUP |
| 14:38.08 | dwu | John which signal is HUP again? |
| 14:38.15 | asuffield | and whether the child is still running in terminal mode, or has daemonised |
| 14:38.17 | dwu | 9? |
| 14:38.18 | travisat | dfsg: I would think it would be the other way around. |
| 14:38.25 | JohnFlux | hmm i don't mean HUP i think |
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| 14:38.30 | NaturalRoots | hi |
| 14:38.32 | JohnFlux | sigKILL probably |
| 14:38.40 | NaturalRoots | someone use postgresql+postfix in debian heRE? |
| 14:38.44 | JohnFlux | no hmm i forget sorry :) |
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| 14:38.55 | travisat | dfsg: subpixel rendering is the cause though. |
| 14:38.56 | paulswm | dwu: man kill, man 7 signal |
| 14:39.01 | NaturalRoots | or howto for install postgresql+postfix In DEBIAN? |
| 14:39.02 | asuffield | children don't get killed when their parent dies. they get a SIGHUP if they're in terminal mode and their session leader ends |
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| 14:39.25 | NaturalRoots | in slackware 10 function postfix+postgresql; but in debian i don't knows howto... |
| 14:39.27 | incorrect | what file system is most commonly used these days? |
| 14:39.28 | dwu | you cant ignore sigKILL |
| 14:39.34 | paulswm | Excatly, children are adopted by init |
| 14:39.44 | asuffield | orphans are adopted by init :P |
| 14:39.47 | mathieu__ | lestest: add eth1394 in /etc/hotplug/blacklist |
| 14:40.26 | asuffield | SIGHUP kills a process that didn't go out of its way to avoid it. daemons must, terminal stuff shouldn't |
| 14:40.36 | gu | incorrect, ntfs ;) |
| 14:40.44 | JohnFlux | asuffield: ah, i thought it was UHP |
| 14:40.45 | JohnFlux | HUP |
| 14:40.47 | paulswm | asuffield: Well yes of course, my loose terminology again :) |
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| 14:40.55 | incorrect | gu, you mean people upgrade from fat32? |
| 14:40.56 | NaturalRoots | :) |
| 14:41.17 | gu | incorrect, well i don't know if "up" is the good word |
| 14:41.21 | asuffield | a somewhat more practical answer to the original question would be to send a SIGKILL to the process group |
| 14:41.22 | JohnFlux | incorrect: you upgraded to fat32? |
| 14:41.26 | JohnFlux | i'm still on FAT12 |
| 14:41.28 | travisat | well one could say that ntfs is better than fat32 |
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| 14:41.48 | nakee | I want to configure my mozilla install to give the users default proxy/home page how do I do that? |
| 14:41.54 | paulswm | Of course ntfs is better than fat32 for native Windows |
| 14:41.59 | dwu | asuffield would background process avoid a SIGHUP? |
| 14:42.02 | dfsg | travisat: It's a bit uncomforable. Btw, I am currently at the fontconfig setup screen. is there any difference between "auto" and "lcd" modes? |
| 14:42.04 | dwu | like a process started in the bg |
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| 14:42.10 | fabietto | Hi at all. I'm trying to configure my pcmcia wireless adapter (d-link dgl-g630 installed through ndiswrapper). I manually set up the various parameters (IP, netmask, routing table, etc.) but i'm not able to ping the gateway (my access point). Any suggest? |
| 14:42.12 | nakee | I tried dpk-reconfigure but didnt give me anything |
| 14:42.13 | gu | incorrect, more seriously, debian lets you choose between ext3 fs and reiser3 fs |
| 14:42.21 | asuffield | dwu: it's got nothing to do with the way you run it |
| 14:42.36 | dwu | asuffield how do you mean? |
| 14:42.39 | travisat | dfsg: auto sets it so it automatically detects your monitor, lcd is for sub-pixel. |
| 14:42.40 | gu | incorrect, maybe even ext2 |
| 14:42.41 | asuffield | although anything you run under shell job control had better be a regular terminal application or it'll go horribly wrong |
| 14:43.04 | SlayerXP | fabietto: don't buy unsupported hardware, reward manufacturers who provide open specifications |
| 14:43.14 | dfsg | travisat: well, last time i chose 'auto' i got anti-aliased fonts all over the place. |
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| 14:43.49 | dfsg | travisat: what can i do to make those gtk programs smaller? (as with 'auto' option) |
| 14:43.51 | gusto | Steven_ hovoris po ? |
| 14:44.02 | Steven_ | hello, does anyone here have a Dell Latitude D600 and willing to share some of his/her experience on installing debian on it ? |
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| 14:44.07 | gusto | Steven_ hovoris po slovensky ? |
| 14:44.08 | travisat | dfsg: set your font size or dpm smaller |
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| 14:44.18 | Steven_ | gusto : I'm sorry, I don't speak slovak (spelling?) |
| 14:44.24 | gusto | :) |
| 14:44.33 | famagosta | i just tried out the d-i from sarge, and it works fine. but how can i retrieve the corresponding kernel sources with apt-get? |
| 14:44.45 | fabietto | slayerxp: it should be a great idea, but when i bought this card i didn't think at linux in any way... |
| 14:44.47 | petemc | Steven_: google for marlow + debian + d600 |
| 14:44.52 | gusto | Steven_ you know the language , don't you ? |
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| 14:45.02 | travisat | dfsg: if you have gnome installed you can do that through its font config, otherwise you need to edit .gtkrc-2.0 for gtk2 progs |
| 14:45.26 | PerfDave | !faq famagosta |
| 14:45.28 | dpkg | famagosta: http://www.linuks.mine.nu/debian-faq-wiki/ |
| 14:45.30 | travisat | err dpm larger? |
| 14:45.30 | Steven_ | petemc : I already looked on www.linuxlaptops.com, but I was hoping to find someone with hands-on experience :) |
| 14:45.33 | gu | Steven_, is it a problem of freeze with green screen ? |
| 14:45.38 | dwu | asuffield oh i see. so you are saying that any program not explicitly ignore SIGHUP should exit when its parent die? |
| 14:45.38 | petemc | Steven_: did you try what i said? |
| 14:45.42 | travisat | err dp1 larger? |
| 14:45.49 | asuffield | dwu: no. when its session ends. |
| 14:45.50 | travisat | err dpi larger? //damn keyboard |
| 14:45.52 | Steven_ | gusto : I saw "slovensky" and it looked to "slovak" |
| 14:45.58 | gusto | :) |
| 14:45.59 | Steven_ | gusto : I don't know the language though |
| 14:46.04 | Steven_ | petemc : I will now |
| 14:46.04 | gusto | :) |
| 14:46.09 | daww | How do i mount a USB memory (128MB, fat)? |
| 14:46.21 | dwu | asuffield whats "it" ? parent or child? |
| 14:46.32 | Rambo3 | slovank / sloven |
| 14:46.34 | Coke | daww: like you would mount any device |
| 14:46.38 | asuffield | dwu: if they aren't in the same session, the child is a daemon anyway |
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| 14:46.49 | incorrect | would fs would most people go with these days for production servers? |
| 14:47.03 | daww | Coke, mount -t fat /dev/? /mnt? |
| 14:47.04 | greycat | ext3 |
| 14:47.10 | dwu | asuffield how do you mean by session? |
| 14:47.16 | travisat | incorrect: ext3 |
| 14:47.20 | daww | Coke, mount -t (fat?) /dev/? /mnt? |
| 14:47.23 | Coke | daww: that depends if your device uses FAT or not |
| 14:47.35 | asuffield | I mean the session. |
| 14:47.36 | daww | Coke, Yes, as mentioned |
| 14:47.41 | incorrect | what about xfs or reiser? |
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| 14:47.59 | dwu | asuffield do you mean the same pid group or something? |
| 14:48.09 | asuffield | no. process group and session are independent |
| 14:48.11 | Coke | daww: then, yes. for more information on more options, look at the manual pages for mount |
| 14:48.24 | asuffield | although new sessions always have new process groups |
| 14:48.26 | dfsg | travisat: yes, I use GNOME. But changes in "Fonts" there do not affect the size of xmms anyhow. |
| 14:48.46 | dfsg | travisat: The app is itself looks zoomed. |
| 14:48.53 | dwu | asuffield how do you "create" new session? when do things stay in the same session |
| 14:48.54 | dfsg | -is |
| 14:49.02 | dwu | is there a page somewhere i can read about this |
| 14:49.03 | greycat | !ricerfs |
| 14:49.03 | dpkg | ricerfs is, like, the firework rocket of filesystems - it goes very fast then blows up with all your data. See "reiserfs" for real info. |
| 14:49.07 | nakee | ph well |
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| 14:49.35 | paulswm | fabietto: does iwconfig tell you that it's connected to the AP? |
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| 14:50.08 | asuffield | things stay in the same session unless they explicitly create a new one. only daemons and stuff that behaves like login will create new sessions |
| 14:50.08 | incorrect | i thought that was that case in 2002 |
| 14:50.16 | mathieu__ | the hack with DisplaySize didn't work :( |
| 14:50.19 | incorrect | no change then |
| 14:50.44 | NiklasH_work | !reiser4 |
| 14:50.44 | dpkg | hmm... reiser4 is If you want Reiser4, why are you using debian? |
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| 14:50.48 | saintiss | greycat, Phated, thanks |
| 14:50.52 | dwu | asuffield how do i find out if things are in the same session or not? will ps be able to tell me this? |
| 14:50.53 | Phated | ? |
| 14:50.57 | Phated | You're welcome. |
| 14:51.13 | saintiss | <Phated> saintiss: apt-cache show. |
| 14:51.20 | incorrect | what about xfs? |
| 14:51.24 | Phated | Yeah, I just lastlogged. |
| 14:51.34 | dwu | incorrect screw xfs, go with reiserfs or ext3 |
| 14:51.45 | greycat | screw reiserfs, go with ext3 or xfs |
| 14:51.52 | mathieu__ | Does smomebody know how to change the fonts in gtk 1.2 apps? (i've got pbs with mplayer, xtraceroute..) |
| 14:51.52 | dwu | screw you! |
| 14:51.56 | asuffield | dwu: the SID column from ps shows the session leader for each process |
| 14:51.57 | incorrect | lol |
| 14:52.03 | paulswm | fabietto: iwconfig should show your AP's SSID on the first line after ESSID: if it's connected |
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| 14:53.25 | dwu | asuffield okay thanks :) |
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| 14:53.34 | NiklasH_work | does anyone know if reiser4 will ever become stable? I heard it fails miserably on anything except x86, and even there it's flaky |
| 14:53.52 | gu | NiklasH_work, reiser4 works well :) |
| 14:54.03 | NiklasH_work | gu: do you run it? |
| 14:54.04 | gu | it's been stable for over 3 months, no ? |
| 14:54.16 | NiklasH_work | gu: that seems to be open to debate... :) |
| 14:54.23 | sep | i woudn't consider 3 months long when it regards a filesystem |
| 14:54.26 | gu | no, a sysadmin friend runs it on his server |
| 14:54.26 | NiklasH_work | gu: but hey, I hope i'm wrong |
| 14:54.48 | gu | and no problem for him |
| 14:55.03 | sep | !reiserfs |
| 14:55.03 | dpkg | reiserfs is, like, a journaling filesystem with pretty good performance and some interesting features. See http://www.namesys.com. It is wonderful and everyone loves it, until the axe falls and they lose data due to a crash. As such, it has a lot of ex-fans who are now sadder but wiser. See ext3, xfs, or jfs for safer filesystems. |
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| 14:55.22 | asuffield | "works for me" is a pathetic measure of any application. but "on one server for three months" is impressively poor for a filesystem |
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| 14:55.25 | incorrect | what about jfs? |
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| 14:55.30 | mathieu__ | Does smomebody know how to change the fonts in gtk 1.2 apps? (i've got pbs with mplayer, xtraceroute..) |
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| 14:55.44 | NiklasH_work | sep: about what i seem to think, even though i've used reiser3 on my desktop for a few years with no probs |
| 14:55.47 | asuffield | jfs is the AIX filesystem of choice |
| 14:55.51 | incorrect | sorry last time i looked at file systems, it was 2002 |
| 14:55.52 | greycat | incorrect: Fucking hell.... just go run Gentoo for fuck's sake and leave us alone. |
| 14:55.54 | asuffield | happens to be implemented for linux as well |
| 14:56.21 | sep | !jfs |
| 14:56.21 | dpkg | somebody said jfs was Journaled File System from IBM, licensed under the GPL. Check http://oss.software.ibm.com/developerworks/opensource/jfs/ It improved a lot performance-wise since 2003! Give it an other try... Maybe worth it! |
| 14:56.21 | Ashtars_fanclub | how does reiserfs4 compare with ext3, xfs? |
| 14:56.33 | paulswm | Ashtars_fanclub: ext3 works and is stable and safe |
| 14:56.48 | JohnFlux | does "imapd" have any kind of configuration file or anything |
| 14:56.48 | incorrect | chill greycat im not trolly, i was asking what experiences people had with them |
| 14:56.49 | directhex|work | ext3 seems to eat data for me |
| 14:56.51 | directhex|work | constantly |
| 14:56.54 | NiklasH_work | paulswm: and pretty good performance-wise too |
| 14:56.55 | greycat | JohnFlux: which one? |
| 14:56.59 | Ashtars_fanclub | paulswm: meaning performance isnt great? |
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| 14:57.07 | JohnFlux | greycat: how do I know which one I've got? |
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| 14:57.11 | asuffield | directhex|work: what on earth are you doing, toggling the power switch continually? |
| 14:57.16 | greycat | please please please for the love of Beelzebub tell me you ARE NOT using uw-imapd.... |
| 14:57.25 | Phated | "stable and safe" sounds like good performance... |
| 14:57.27 | paulswm | Ashtars_fanclub: It's OK, but choice of a filesystem should partly depend on how much you love your data |
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| 14:57.30 | valdyn | Ashtars_fanclub: "performace" in a filesystem, is irrelevant for most applications |
| 14:57.31 | fabietto | paulsw: i think this is the problem... with iwconfig i see "access point: 00:00:00:00:00:00" |
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| 14:57.37 | cheal|ignored | asuffield (OR others...) : do you know how to ask long lists to blootbot? if I use listkeys sid and there are about 60 entries, and just repeat it (listkeys sid), many entries are repeated each time. |
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| 14:57.41 | Chameleon22 | is there a reason my spell checker is not working in open office? |
| 14:57.51 | asuffield | no I don't, go away |
| 14:57.56 | directhex|work | asuffield, erm... only when i have a GPF. i suspect dodgy ram |
| 14:58.10 | asuffield | directhex|work: yeah, that's pretty much guaranteed to eat your data :P |
| 14:58.10 | Ashtars_fanclub | from what i've read jfs seems to be very well balanced considering speed and security |
| 14:58.33 | directhex|work | i tried JFS briefly |
| 14:58.33 | travisat | I normally prefer reiser for myself |
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| 14:58.50 | feistel | hi |
| 14:58.56 | directhex|work | not much to choose between JFS and XFS, though there seems to be a massive lack of utils for JFS, and permissions seem a bit odd |
| 14:59.04 | feistel | Sarge install support SATA disks? |
| 14:59.05 | asuffield | there's no particular reason to use jfs unless you're migrating from AIX. if you are migrating from AIX there's no particular reason not to use jfs |
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| 14:59.16 | directhex|work | feistel, yes, especially with a 2.6 kernel (llinux26 at boot:) |
| 14:59.17 | feistel | Sarge network install |
| 14:59.17 | Ashtars_fanclub | xfs then? |
| 14:59.32 | paulswm | fabietto: what does the 'wireless_essid' line in your /etc/network/interfaces file say exactly |
| 14:59.32 | NiklasH_work | directhex|work: doesn't xfs make pretty heavy use of RAM caching, making it a bit sensitive to power outage? |
| 14:59.41 | directhex|work | feistel, you have serial ata but no cd drive? |
| 14:59.44 | dfsg | travisat: So, if I even change the fonts in GNOME's "Fonts" section it has no effect on XMMS. The app itself looks zoomed. |
| 14:59.45 | feistel | directhex|work, can I install a woody with Sarge net install CD? |
| 14:59.47 | directhex|work | NiklasH_work, well, yeah,. there is that |
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| 14:59.49 | Roey | hello |
| 14:59.52 | directhex|work | feistel, no. |
| 15:00.03 | directhex|work | feistel, why would you want woody if you have post-2002 hardware? |
| 15:00.10 | paulswm | It is definitely still Sunday somehwere |
| 15:00.11 | travisat | dfsg: not just the fonts? |
| 15:00.18 | NiklasH_work | directhex|work: seems whatever fs i choose, there's someone with a horror story about it :) |
| 15:00.21 | valdyn | dfsg: xmms is gtk1, sure it ignores gnome2 font settings |
| 15:00.22 | asuffield | paulswm: yeah, two days ago |
| 15:00.25 | feistel | directhex|work, Sarge is fine for a production server? |
| 15:00.25 | justin | directhex|work: 'aptitude install xmms- beep-media-player' |
| 15:00.26 | dfsg | travisat: Nope, that's the point. Fonts are fine. |
| 15:00.26 | sep | i use ext3 for everything, the minar differences in performance is of no consern to me, 5 servers running for 4 years no data loss yet, and i run xfs on a baackup server due to xfs-dump|xfs-restore saves me many houers a day |
| 15:00.30 | Ashtars_fanclub | sarge is shaping up IMO |
| 15:00.48 | dfsg | valdyn: Yeah, but why is the app itself zoomed? :-) |
| 15:01.03 | travisat | dfsg: hmm use Beep not xmms. does it happen for any other apps |
| 15:01.30 | dfsg | No, not in any single other I use on daily basis. |
| 15:01.30 | valdyn | dfsg: xmms has a feature to zoom , what happens if you use that? |
| 15:01.35 | directhex|work | feistel, no, it's not. <rock>feistel<hardplace> |
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| 15:01.38 | Ashtars_fanclub | dfsg, isnt that a special option, some small button om xmms to the left to zoom |
| 15:01.39 | dfsg | valdyn: It gets even bigger. :) |
| 15:01.40 | JohnFlux | greycat: I'm using UW IMAP |
| 15:01.44 | greycat | !pity JohnFlux |
| 15:01.45 | dpkg | I pity da fool JohnFlux! |
| 15:01.49 | dfsg | Ashtars_fanclub: No. |
| 15:01.50 | JohnFlux | greycat: I guess that's bad? |
| 15:01.55 | greycat | Very bad. |
| 15:01.56 | dfsg | Ashtars_fanclub: I wish it was that. ;-) |
| 15:01.56 | Roey | I'm administrating a set of Debian boxes running Debian (sarge); I want to make it so that one of the boxes serves as an update source for all the other boxes (and it itself should retrieve updates from the 'net every week or so). Is there an easy way to do this, shy of making a box a complete mirror of Sarge? |
| 15:02.00 | paulswm | asuffield: It's been Sunday since last Friday in here :) |
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| 15:02.16 | greycat | JohnFlux: try dovecot if you REALLY must stick with mbox format. |
| 15:02.17 | directhex|work | Roey, nfs mounts! |
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| 15:02.20 | valdyn | dfsg: file a bug report and/or use beep-media-player |
| 15:02.21 | Ashtars_fanclub | for me there is a button called d, meaning double maybe |
| 15:02.23 | Roey | directhex|work: what do you mean? |
| 15:02.32 | greycat | JohnFlux: otherwise, I *strongly* recommend you abandon mbox and switch to Maildir/ format |
| 15:02.44 | Roey | directhex|work: that only one box will have anything installed on it, and all the other boxes access it through NFS? |
| 15:02.48 | Ashtars_fanclub | not button it's more a letter |
| 15:02.50 | JohnFlux | greycat: I can't switch to mailbox if I want to still allow mozilla-mail etc to connect? |
| 15:03.04 | daww | When plug in my USB memory i get "usb.c: USB disconnected on device 00:10.4-1 adress 2. hub.c: new USB device 00:10.4-1 adress 2", is USB not supported by the kernel? |
| 15:03.23 | JohnFlux | greycat: currently imapd is on the "email server", and all the windows machines connect to it |
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| 15:03.31 | NiklasH_work | daww: if usb.c gives a message it seems to be supported |
| 15:03.55 | dfsg | travisat: And another question. Speaking of fonts, where does GNOME look for the fonts? Like, I installed msttcorefonts and they appeared in the GNOME's font selection menu, I also installed "console-terminus" and "artwiz", which are only accesible via XMMS and other Gtk1.x apps. Where to look? |
| 15:03.56 | JohnFlux | daww: do "lsusb" :) |
| 15:04.06 | travisat | daww: usb is supported |
| 15:04.11 | directhex|work | Roey, was jokingly suggesting nfs-mounting a communal /var/cache/apt/archives. very insecure, not recommended |
| 15:04.15 | daww | Ok so what is the problem |
| 15:04.22 | Roey | directhex|work: ah, ok |
| 15:04.25 | Roey | directhex|work: interesting. |
| 15:04.26 | Ashtars_fanclub | how come rhythmbox is still so crappy, it locks up whenever i try to use internet radio. |
| 15:04.32 | daww | Why does linux disconnect it |
| 15:04.38 | Roey | directhex|work: if not NFS then maybe some other, more secure one such as Coda or AFS. |
| 15:04.45 | directhex|work | Ashtars_fanclub, it doesn't thread that connection attempt. it should eventually time out |
| 15:04.50 | JohnFlux | greycat: do you know of any way I can allow certain users to connect from anywhere via imap, and other users can only connect locally |
| 15:04.51 | Roey | directhex|work: thanks |
| 15:05.00 | directhex|work | Roey, no, i wasn't... :| |
| 15:05.02 | JohnFlux | greycat: uh, locally == internal network |
| 15:05.06 | Roey | directhex|work: oh, ok :) |
| 15:05.14 | fabietto | paulsw: i've no lines in /etc/network/interfaces saying "wireless_essid" |
| 15:05.23 | daww | JohnFlux, lsusb? |
| 15:05.25 | travisat | dfsg: I don't know. isn't artwiz a bitmapped font? maybe gtk2 doesn't like bitmapped fonts |
| 15:05.26 | Roey | directhex|work: there was this project but it wasn't included in Debian (sid, even) because it was so buggy |
| 15:05.32 | directhex|work | Roey, apt-proxy is probably what you want |
| 15:05.32 | JohnFlux | daww: lists the usb devices you have |
| 15:05.33 | Ashtars_fanclub | directhex|work: why doesn't it thread that connection attempt? |
| 15:05.38 | Roey | directhex|work: THAT'S it |
| 15:05.42 | directhex|work | Ashtars_fanclub, ask the developers. |
| 15:05.45 | Roey | directhex|work: apt-proxy wasn't in Sarge from what I hear |
| 15:06.00 | directhex|work | !why is apt-proxy not in sarge |
| 15:06.00 | dpkg | directhex|work: what are you talking about? |
| 15:06.03 | directhex|work | bah |
| 15:06.10 | Roey | heh |
| 15:06.12 | NiklasH_work | !apt-proxy |
| 15:06.12 | dpkg | apt-proxy is, like, a cool proxy for lots of Debian machines on a network together. Watch out for the upcoming 1.3.0 version which supports http backends too |
| 15:06.14 | directhex|work | what was that factoid? |
| 15:06.14 | greycat | !why is apt-proxy not in testing |
| 15:06.15 | dpkg | apt-proxy is not in testing for the reasons listed in http://bjorn.haxx.se/debian/testing.pl?package=apt-proxy |
| 15:06.28 | feistel | when Surge will be a STABLE release of Debian? |
| 15:06.30 | directhex|work | oh for fecks sake. someone make a linked factoid |
| 15:06.32 | dfsg | travisat: It sure does. I used them in FreeBSD with GNOME. I believe it's the issue of the paths. I tried additing path to XF86Config-4, but GNOME seems to ignore those. |
| 15:06.39 | directhex|work | feistel, when it's ready. |
| 15:06.40 | stew | feistel: /msg dpkg wwsr |
| 15:06.40 | greycat | feistel: never. |
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| 15:06.55 | greycat | there's no toy story character named Surge. |
| 15:07.01 | dfsg | travisat: I guess it is looking in some other place. |
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| 15:07.11 | justin | dfsg: no, you told it not to use bitmaped fonts |
| 15:07.19 | yaargy | anyone got any idea what device my pc's internal speaker is? |
| 15:07.23 | travisat | dfsg: the paths in XF86Config-4 are ignored by default I believe |
| 15:07.24 | dfsg | justin: What about 'console-terminus' fonts? |
| 15:07.42 | justin | !+info console-terminus |
| 15:07.45 | dpkg | console-terminus: (Fixed-width fonts for fast reading on the Linux console), section utils, is optional. Version: 4.11-1 (sid), Packaged size: 108 kB, Installed size: 240 kB |
| 15:07.49 | justin | dfsg: try bothering to read the package description |
| 15:08.11 | sussudio | http://home.wanadoo.nl/sussudio/nullmodem_the_hard_way.jpg |
| 15:08.16 | daww | JohnFlux, Cool =) |
| 15:08.32 | abrotman | sussudio: you're missing an adapter |
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| 15:08.48 | sussudio | abrotman: no, i think i've pretty much used up all of them |
| 15:08.51 | abrotman | sussudio: heh |
| 15:08.54 | dfsg | justin: What are the default path locations GNOME looks at? |
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| 15:09.10 | dfsg | justin: For fonts. |
| 15:09.10 | justin | dfsg: why does it matter? |
| 15:09.20 | sussudio | abrotman: going from 9 pin male to 9 pin male while incorporating a nullmodem is harder than it seems |
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| 15:09.33 | cfh_dev | What's the best way to play windows media streams on linux? |
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| 15:09.39 | abrotman | sussudio: probably would have been easier to break it apart :) |
| 15:09.46 | justin | sussudio: usually it is easier to just strip the cable and jamn the wires into the port |
| 15:09.50 | famagosta | i need to come back with my question. i got the kernel-sources, but do i really need to write my own config? |
| 15:09.50 | dfsg | justin: Why doesn't it? |
| 15:09.50 | sussudio | :-| |
| 15:09.55 | travisat | dfsg: if you are really interested look in /usr/share/fonts (at least thats where I believe defoma deals with fonts) |
| 15:09.58 | abrotman | cfh_dev: win32 essential codecs for xine/mplayer |
| 15:09.59 | justin | dfsg: because it has nothing to do with your problem? |
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| 15:10.05 | sussudio | :-\ |
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| 15:10.46 | dfsg | justin: How to enable this feature then? |
| 15:10.46 | cfh_dev | abrotman: is there a way to use that as a browser plugin? The Sirius website (satellite radio) uses windows media (bastards) |
| 15:10.53 | Ashtars_fanclub | <PROTECTED> |
| 15:10.54 | travisat | famagosta: well if you don't use your own config, compiling the kernel seems sadistic to me |
| 15:10.54 | justin | dfsg: WHAT feature |
| 15:11.26 | dfsg | justin: Okay, I am confused. I used the same fonts in Gnome on FreeBSD and they worked just fine. What's wrong with it here? artwiz and terminus collections. |
| 15:11.29 | famagosta | travisat i need the config because something else i want to compile takes settings from the kernel config |
| 15:11.36 | abrotman | cfh_dev: uhm .. i think is an mplayer-plugin |
| 15:11.39 | justin | 10:07 < justin> dfsg: no, you told it not to use bitmaped fonts |
| 15:11.45 | nevyn | famagosta: kernel config or kernel headers? |
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| 15:11.50 | cfh_dev | abrotman: thanks, I'll check into that |
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| 15:11.57 | dfsg | justin: I don't remember telling it such a thing. |
| 15:12.17 | travisat | famagosta: install kernel-package, man make-kpkg, and do the option that involves configure |
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| 15:12.29 | famagosta | nevyn i am not exactly aware of the difference. but if headers are what controls the make process, it is what i need |
| 15:12.33 | justin | dfsg: dpkg-reconfigure fontconfig |
| 15:12.59 | nevyn | famagosta: config's in /boot somewhere. |
| 15:13.13 | sussudio | ah, mini_com_ |
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| 15:13.30 | famagosta | nevyn yep. thanx a lot. exactly what i needed |
| 15:13.35 | dfsg | justin: Heh, that's it. I did not have that question at install time. |
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| 15:14.10 | MaSterNet | hello |
| 15:15.08 | daww | When I do "mount -t fat /dev/sda /mnt" I get "mount: fs type fat not supported by kernel", what can I do to mount it correctly? |
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| 15:15.20 | travisat | daww: vfat |
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| 15:15.44 | dfsg | travisat: Really, during the install it only asked about the type of font rendering I need (auto, CRT or LCD). |
| 15:15.47 | [Cadet] | daww: Most times you can just drop the -t stuff too |
| 15:15.48 | MaSterNet | I've to use php4 extension mnogosearch under debian. The package wasn't compiled with this extension... what is the best way to have a php4-udm ? recompile my php4-apache env ? |
| 15:15.50 | dfsg | travisat: ...from that section. |
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| 15:15.59 | travisat | dfsg: wierd |
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| 15:16.03 | NiklasH_work | does anyone know if there is a way to retrieve the MAC of a remote box that connects to mine via a router? The router seems to overwrite the remote MAC with its own |
| 15:16.08 | Random832 | can someone help me with a weird gtkrc error? |
| 15:16.10 | Random832 | Gtk-Message: /home/random/.gtkrc-2.0:6: failed to retrieve property `GtkWidget::interior-focus' of type `gboolean' from rc file value "((GString*) 0x80b1464)" of type `GString' |
| 15:16.13 | spenerc | how to set up a system wide filter in exim4 (debian sarge) |
| 15:16.14 | greycat | NiklasH_work: login to it and ask ifconfig(8). |
| 15:16.27 | daww | travisat, if i try vfat instead i get "mount: /dev/sda is not a valid block device" |
| 15:16.29 | Random832 | the line in question reads: GtkWidget::interior-focus = TRUE |
| 15:16.31 | greycat | NiklasH_work: or put another machine on the same subnet as the target host. |
| 15:16.34 | sep | NiklasH_work: yes that is what routers do if it didnt it would be a switrch not a router |
| 15:16.34 | greycat | NiklasH_work: or ask the router. |
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| 15:16.48 | jstevens | 'mornin all |
| 15:16.57 | rdgr00t | I installed kernel-image-2.4.16-586, incl. headers & src. Now, where can I find the .config used by debian to make this kernel? |
| 15:17.00 | daww | travisat, I have tried sda, sda1-4 all give me the same result "mount: /dev/sda is not a valid block device" |
| 15:17.06 | NiklasH_work | greycat: i'm trying to use the mac match of iptables |
| 15:17.12 | travisat | daww: well /dev/sda isn't what you need to mount then |
| 15:17.14 | greycat | NiklasH_work: so what? |
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| 15:17.17 | greycat | NiklasH_work: I gave you 3 ways. |
| 15:17.24 | edward__ | rdgr00t, check out /boot/config.x.x.x. |
| 15:17.35 | dfsg | justin: Then perhaps you also might know what's wrong here: if I choose to use CRT font rendering (for cathode-ray monitors) I happen to have program like XMMS be zoomed in GNOME. |
| 15:17.40 | petemc | daww: cat /proc/scsi/scsi |
| 15:17.47 | NiklasH_work | greycat: how do i ask the router? |
| 15:17.51 | rdgr00t | edward__: found, thx! |
| 15:17.53 | greycat | NiklasH_work: uh.... of course, you *do* realize that "MAC match" won't do much if the MAC address you're trying to block isn't on your local network, right? |
| 15:17.55 | justin | dfsg: 'aptitude install xmms- beep-media-player' |
| 15:17.56 | edward__ | rdgr00t, it looks like : config-2.4.25-bf2.4 |
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| 15:18.06 | greycat | Why do I bother? |
| 15:18.11 | daww | travisat, Ok, but the USB memory is pluged in a the first USB port (integrated in the motherboard) |
| 15:18.14 | FieldySnuts | you like oain |
| 15:18.18 | FieldySnuts | p |
| 15:18.21 | sep | NiklasH_work: the mac match will only be logical to use if the device you'r matching is in the same subnet. |
| 15:18.24 | NiklasH_work | greycat: well, that was kind of what i was asking: is there any way to get the mac of a connecting box from another subnet? |
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| 15:18.39 | NiklasH_work | sep: ok, thanks. |
| 15:18.40 | JohnFlux | NiklasH_work: nmap :) |
| 15:18.40 | travisat | daww: it might be registering as /dev/sdb |
| 15:18.46 | Phated | FieldySnuts: You're a fine one to talk about liking pain, oh great subber of PerfDave. ;) |
| 15:18.56 | FieldySnuts | shush |
| 15:19.01 | dfsg | justin: Thanks. |
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| 15:19.06 | Phated | FieldySnuts: :) |
| 15:19.16 | sep | daww: look at dmesg, it should tell you what it's registering as |
| 15:19.21 | dwu | how do i kill a bunch of process with the same process group ID? |
| 15:19.24 | [Cadet] | !coffee |
| 15:19.24 | dpkg | methinks coffee is the reason the net exists, or the drug of choice for a GNU generation, or http://www.chez.com/emarsden/downloads/coffee.el, or /usr/share/doc/HOWTO/en-html/mini/Coffee.html, or geiseri's favorite beverage, or smells better than it tastes |
| 15:19.30 | JohnFlux | greycat: is cyrus-imapd good? I'm reading the docs, and it seems quite coo |
| 15:19.32 | JohnFlux | cool |
| 15:19.34 | MaximusBr | !faq |
| 15:19.34 | dpkg | The #debian FAQ is at http://www.linuks.mine.nu/debian-faq-wiki/ |
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| 15:19.53 | greycat | JohnFlux: dovecot, courier-imap, and bincimap are the only ones for which I've heard any reliable recommendations. |
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| 15:20.09 | greycat | Cyrus scares me. It's like a pyramid with an Eye on it. |
| 15:20.25 | MaximusBr | hey |
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| 15:21.03 | McKillroy | Hello ! I want to install debian over a network, but need a vpn (pptp) connection to get out (ISP issue). Are there floppy images which support VPN config ? |
| 15:21.12 | JohnFlux | greycat: i'm finding it hard to find a guide on going from mbox to mailbox. the installation instructions don't seem to mention it for some reason |
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| 15:21.15 | daww | sep, dmesg, this is just for the autoprobing, right? |
| 15:21.21 | Ashtars_fanclub | any mouse configuration guru around, my usb razor diamondback is way to fast, and inaccurate (jumpy) |
| 15:21.27 | greycat | Maildir. Or "Maildir/". Not "mailbox". |
| 15:21.29 | directhex|work | greycat, and what, exim is like the golden apple of discordia? |
| 15:21.33 | zulu | I never noticed but WTF is this /.dev/* filesystem??? |
| 15:21.40 | MaximusBr | do I need to install all security patches... and, which program I need for that??? dselect or apt... or some other app??? |
| 15:21.41 | greycat | zulu: udev poisoning. you've been GNOMEd. |
| 15:21.42 | directhex|work | zulu, a udev afterbirth |
| 15:21.45 | daww | sep, I did never start linux with the memory pluged |
| 15:21.50 | greycat | zulu: DON'T DELETE IT. |
| 15:21.56 | zulu | why? |
| 15:22.05 | directhex|work | zulu, because if you do, game over. |
| 15:22.11 | greycat | zulu: it's your last remaining vestige of sanity in the post-udev world. It's your *real* /dev hidden away for safekeeping. |
| 15:22.11 | zulu | ok... |
| 15:22.18 | travisat | daww: dmesg should tell you where the usb is mounted. dmesg isn't just for booting |
| 15:22.24 | directhex|work | plus, it's needed to boot |
| 15:22.33 | zulu | but what does this mean? |
| 15:22.36 | stew | zulu: its discussed in the latest dwn |
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| 15:22.43 | zulu | dwn? |
| 15:22.50 | greycat | it means "you were stupid enough to install gnome, so they slapped udev on your system" |
| 15:22.52 | zulu | debian weekly news? |
| 15:22.54 | greycat | !dwn |
| 15:22.54 | dpkg | Debian Weekly News at http://www.debian.org/News/weekly/ . You can also get it emailed to you weekly by subscribing to the debian-news list at http://lists.debian.org/debian-news/ or by sending an email with the subject 'subscribe' and no body to debian-news-request@lists.debian.org |
| 15:22.55 | stew | zulu: /msg dpkg dwn |
| 15:22.57 | zulu | ok.. gonna read that.. |
| 15:23.05 | nylon | can you ask subversion for debian questions here? |
| 15:23.06 | JohnFlux | zulu: let me know what you find out ;) |
| 15:23.12 | MaximusBr | do I need to install all security patches... and, which program I need for that??? dselect or apt... or some other app??? |
| 15:23.15 | greycat | nylon: I think you just did. |
| 15:23.17 | JohnFlux | nylon: ask and find out ;) |
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| 15:23.26 | greycat | MaximusBr: /msg dpkg security |
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| 15:23.38 | MaximusBr | ty |
| 15:23.47 | directhex|work | udev CAN be fine. i'm learning more & more how to tame things like hotplug, udev, etc. |
| 15:23.58 | greycat | why would you have to tame it? |
| 15:23.59 | directhex|work | udev can also eat your system & spit out the remains all over your sanity |
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| 15:24.10 | JohnFlux | directhex|work: for a while I was working on the kde frontend to hotplug |
| 15:24.26 | greycat | if you ever find yourself having to "tame" your Debian box, isn't that a gigantic red flag? |
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| 15:24.33 | travisat | well if you fight udev, it will win. but if you join forces you win |
| 15:24.49 | MaximusBr | @ greycat... i knew that :) but do ive to use apt or dselect for that... dselect seems to be for installing packages... i want only to install security patches :) |
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| 15:24.59 | greycat | travisat: I've got my anti-udev nuke right here. It's spelled "apt-get --purge remove udev". |
| 15:25.04 | Phated | "Join us... as we will rule the galaxy as what? Geek and bits?" |
| 15:25.11 | directhex|work | i could start with nothing & try & get it to a usable state, or start with too much & work backwards. either way, you need to beat your /etc into submission |
| 15:25.24 | greycat | MaximusBr: /msg dpkg security |
| 15:25.25 | travisat | join the udev and be freed |
| 15:25.32 | directhex|work | and by that i mean debian, not udev |
| 15:25.38 | PerfDave | Join the udev way, install Ubuntu ;) |
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| 15:25.47 | directhex|work | PerfDave, or fedora! |
| 15:25.57 | pif | will udev help me get laid more? |
| 15:26.06 | travisat | pif: ask phated |
| 15:26.07 | greycat | pif: no |
| 15:26.16 | pif | then fuck it |
| 15:26.16 | Z-CooL | can anyone tell me where i can find more servers for apt-get |
| 15:26.16 | directhex|work | pif, my girlfriend uses udev... |
| 15:26.19 | dwu | wow cool!! kill -9 -[process groupid] kills the everything with same process group id |
| 15:26.19 | Phated | travisat: ? |
| 15:26.22 | dwu | co cool |
| 15:26.26 | greycat | Z-CooL: /msg dpkg mirrors |
| 15:26.58 | Z-CooL | tnx :) |
| 15:27.00 | nylon | I just installed and setup subversion 1.1.3-1. |
| 15:27.02 | nylon | I keep getting <m:human-readable errcode="13"> |
| 15:27.03 | nylon | Could not open the requested SVN filesystem |
| 15:27.05 | nylon | </m:human-readable> |
| 15:27.17 | pif | OTOH udev should automount usb vibrators |
| 15:27.18 | nylon | i checked permissions |
| 15:27.30 | travisat | install ubuntu and break your system, it won't be udev's fault though |
| 15:27.45 | greycat | pif: I doubt the USB port puts out enough power to make a vibrator work usefully |
| 15:28.03 | PerfDave | Is kernel 2.6.8 more than 3 months old now? |
| 15:28.07 | nylon | i've set the permissions to www-data |
| 15:28.17 | greycat | PerfDave: uh.... is there a point to that question? |
| 15:28.24 | directhex|work | greycat, depends, USB can put out 5v at 500ma, so compare that to a single AA battery some devices use... |
| 15:28.32 | jstevens | anyone know of a good suspend-to-disk setup tutorial for Sarge? |
| 15:28.33 | pif | greycat : no, I use it with the xmms-vibe plugin |
| 15:28.34 | cheal|ignored | PerfDave: yes. 2.6.10 20041225 I think |
| 15:28.40 | nylon | anyone have any idea what my problem might be? |
| 15:28.47 | greycat | directhex|work: 500 milliamps? Damn.... |
| 15:28.53 | PerfDave | greycat: Yes, it's telling me on boot that it doesn't recognise my APIC and I should report it to a certain e-mail address if the kernel is less than three months old. |
| 15:29.38 | PerfDave | Oh, wait, no, that's the dmesg from 2.4.27. D'oh. |
| 15:29.47 | greycat | PerfDave: I think the real point of that is "try it with the latest 2.6 first, and if it's still failing, then report it" |
| 15:30.00 | greycat | PerfDave: or... in that case, "the latest 2.4" |
| 15:30.03 | zulu | can't find simple doc on udev... |
| 15:30.05 | PerfDave | greycat: Bah, this involves installing packages from sid :( |
| 15:30.10 | daww | travisat, ok the list is long, can you please check out http://pastebin.com/244950 |
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| 15:30.25 | greycat | zulu: Documentation? BWA-hahahahaha! |
| 15:30.37 | directhex|work | PerfDave, 14/08/04 00:00:00 |
| 15:31.03 | zulu | I need my parport to work.. no parport* in /dev ... what's next? |
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| 15:31.19 | zulu | I have one in /.dev/ |
| 15:31.20 | greycat | zulu: apart from "apt-get --purge remove udev"? |
| 15:31.27 | zulu | really? |
| 15:31.34 | zulu | I'm not that hot... |
| 15:31.47 | justin | zulu: why do you think you should have a /dev/parport? |
| 15:31.48 | greycat | of course, you'll lose gnome-volume-thingy |
| 15:31.55 | greycat | or whatever it was... |
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| 15:32.18 | zulu | because dmsg | grep par give me: parport0: PC-style at 0x378, irq 7 [PCSPP,TRISTATE] |
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| 15:32.43 | travisat | daww: hmm it says that it is at /dev/sda |
| 15:32.45 | zulu | greycat, you are a Gnome fan .. are you? |
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| 15:33.14 | daww | travisat, hmm, why didn't it work? any ideas |
| 15:33.32 | greycat | zulu: udev moves your REAL /dev tree to /.dev and then mounts a fake, dynamically-generated one on /dev |
| 15:33.40 | justin | zulu: yes, dmesg also usually prints something about cp0 or eth0 , do you have a /dev/cpu0 or /dev/eth0? |
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| 15:34.01 | travisat | daww: can you fdisk -l /dev/sda ? |
| 15:34.09 | cheal|ignored | PerfDave: sid is still stopped at 2.4.27 anyway. not sure if it'll ever be updated anymore |
| 15:34.20 | greycat | Ah, here's the path. gnome-volume manager -> hal -> udev |
| 15:34.23 | travisat | udev makes /dev more readable |
| 15:34.39 | greycat | why the fuck should it be *readable*? |
| 15:34.52 | daww | travisat, No |
| 15:34.57 | zulu | justin, I have a /dev/cpu/0 .. this udev thing is weird.. |
| 15:34.58 | justin | greycat: because the clueless like to open /dev/ with nautilus or something and "see" the devices |
| 15:34.59 | travisat | I don't know, but that is what it does |
| 15:35.02 | PerfDave | cheal|ignored: Yeah, there are no 2.4-*-amd64-k8-smp packages anyway :) |
| 15:35.07 | graytron | is the udev conversation still going on since 1 day? |
| 15:35.07 | justin | zulu: bad example |
| 15:35.09 | travisat | daww: it might be your usb |
| 15:35.18 | asuffield | justin: no need to mount that at /dev, then |
| 15:35.19 | travisat | daww: it might be your usb device |
| 15:35.31 | asuffield | justin: put it someplace harmless, like in their ~ |
| 15:35.33 | daww | travisat, its fine, and using FAT |
| 15:35.43 | justin | asuffield: or just /udev heh |
| 15:35.59 | greycat | justin: that's not bad. |
| 15:36.00 | zulu | ok justin I know what you mean.. sorry I dont want to be a ..I don't know how it's called in english |
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| 15:36.05 | zulu | no /dev/eth0 |
| 15:36.10 | fabietto | i tried "iwlist wlan0 scan", but i get "No scan result"... the activity led of my card never turn on |
| 15:36.24 | greycat | zulu: there never HAS been a device node for an ethernet interface in Linux. Probably never will be. |
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| 15:36.36 | zulu | yes I know... |
| 15:36.47 | justin | zulu: now try explaining what you are trying to DO with your parallel port |
| 15:36.51 | zulu | justin was just showing me something.. |
| 15:36.53 | JohnFlux | greycat: why is that? |
| 15:37.11 | JohnFlux | greycat: just never fitted the block/character idea well enough? |
| 15:37.11 | joaopaulo | i have compiled 2.6.10 with reiserfs as built in and getting kernel panic on boot, what more can i check ? |
| 15:37.22 | zulu | well I'm trin to make sane work with my officejet combo scanner coffee thing |
| 15:37.23 | greycat | JohnFlux: ask a kernel hacker, not me... |
| 15:37.25 | daww | travisat, do you mean that the USB memory could be broken? |
| 15:37.42 | travisat | daww: does it work with other computers? |
| 15:37.54 | zulu | how to make a simple test to make sure my parport0 is workin in linux... |
| 15:38.00 | daww | travisat, It worked in Windows for some days ago |
| 15:38.07 | zulu | well my /.dev/parport0 ... i suppose.. |
| 15:38.10 | greycat | zulu: slap a printer o nit. |
| 15:38.12 | greycat | on it. |
| 15:38.20 | zulu | done |
| 15:38.22 | daww | travisat, so I'm 99% sure it still works |
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| 15:38.24 | directhex|work | joaopaulo, either compile it right, or use a premade kernel-image |
| 15:38.30 | greycat | the "modprobe lp" and "echo hello world >/dev/lp0" or whatever |
| 15:38.34 | travisat | daww: well pull it out and plug it back in again |
| 15:38.46 | daww | travisat, and then..? |
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| 15:38.54 | directhex|work | udev hates mdadm, which irritates |
| 15:38.55 | jstevens | how do I get suspend-to-disk working on Sarge, Kernel 2.6.8 ? |
| 15:38.59 | travisat | fdisk -l /dev/sda |
| 15:39.12 | golanx | question: anybody uses quanta, or nvu, or other web authoring tools? I'm trying to get rid of dreamweaver... any suggestions? |
| 15:39.19 | zulu | nothing happen greycat |
| 15:39.22 | daww | travisat, didn't work |
| 15:39.29 | travisat | what is the error msg |
| 15:39.33 | zulu | and lp0 is in my /dev udev.. |
| 15:39.34 | directhex|work | golanx, nothing replaces dreamweaver. well, maybe vi |
| 15:39.37 | greycat | zulu: did the "modprobe lp" actually succeed? |
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| 15:39.40 | Rammstein_fan | Sex is good, sex is fine, doggy stile or 69. Just for fun or getting paid, everyone loves getting laid. Send this to all pepol who is online!! or you will bee doomed to bad sex 4ever |
| 15:39.41 | JohnFlux | daww: some usb sticks have the filesystem on /dev/sda1 and some on /dev/sda |
| 15:39.46 | zulu | yes greycat |
| 15:39.47 | JohnFlux | daww: i don't know why though |
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| 15:39.58 | directhex|work | Rammstein_fan, don't make me kill you |
| 15:39.59 | greycat | Rammstein_fan: do you have anything Debian related to discuss? |
| 15:40.00 | daww | JohnFlux, I have tried them all |
| 15:40.11 | travisat | daww: why wont fdisk work |
| 15:40.13 | daww | JohnFlux, None of them worked out, crap |
| 15:40.19 | JohnFlux | daww: and tried /dev/sdb sdc etc |
| 15:40.22 | golanx | directhex, vi is not visual |
| 15:40.34 | greycat | golanx: is too. |
| 15:40.40 | travisat | daww: if you can' |
| 15:40.43 | greycat | that's what the 'v' stands for. |
| 15:40.45 | directhex|work | golanx, where did you say that was a requirement? and it's more visual than Ed |
| 15:40.51 | Rammstein_fan | Sex is good, sex is fine, doggy stile or 69. Just for fun or getting paid, everyone loves getting laid. Send this to all pepol who is online!! or you will bee doomed to bad sex 4ever |
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| 15:40.59 | travisat | daww: if you can't get your partition table, you sure as hell can't mount it |
| 15:40.59 | directhex|work | greycat, do the honors |
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| 15:41.02 | FieldySnuts | uhyeah. |
| 15:41.02 | daww | travisat, no errors comes up but nothing is being showed either |
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| 15:41.09 | travisat | @cigar greycat |
| 15:41.13 | FieldySnuts | i bet that's kawfee |
| 15:41.13 | greycat | ewww. |
| 15:41.16 | FieldySnuts | </troll> |
| 15:41.28 | directhex|work | !start a badger war |
| 15:41.29 | dpkg | mushrooms are worse than badgers |
| 15:41.33 | golanx | directhex, I meant something *like* dreamweaver, WYSIWYG editors... |
| 15:41.42 | travisat | mushrooms are fun |
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| 15:41.53 | JohnFlux | golanx: mozilla |
| 15:41.55 | golanx | I've read online that quanta and nvu are some kind of replacement of dreamweaver |
| 15:41.59 | [Cadet] | daww: on that web page you posted it clearly states that it cannot read the device, see the I/O errors? |
| 15:42.02 | travisat | oh well gotta go |
| 15:42.03 | JohnFlux | yeah quanta is very cool |
| 15:42.10 | directhex|work | golanx, not nearly in the same league, but that's the idea |
| 15:42.17 | golanx | ok |
| 15:42.41 | BucWheat | ahhhhh |
| 15:42.54 | BucWheat | this is so frustrating. |
| 15:43.04 | BucWheat | after doing the following i still get permission denied |
| 15:43.08 | directhex|work | golanx, nvu uses gecko, which is good, but isn't in debian, which is bad |
| 15:43.16 | BucWheat | chmod 775 -R /var/run/webapp_data ; groupadd webapp_users ; chgrp webapp_users /var/run/webapp_data ; usermod -G webapp_users www-data ; usermod -G webapp_users mysql |
| 15:43.23 | BucWheat | after doing that i still get this: |
| 15:43.29 | BucWheat | rm: cannot remove `/var/run/webapp_data/log.txt': Permission denied |
| 15:43.29 | BucWheat | DBD::mysql::st execute failed: File '/var/run/webapp_data/log.txt' already exists at lwizard.pl line 35. |
| 15:43.39 | BucWheat | why is this? what am i overlooking? |
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| 15:43.41 | golanx | directhex , I will develop on a testing debian, so no probl in packets :) |
| 15:43.55 | justin | BucWheat: why are you putting things in /var/run/ ? |
| 15:43.57 | golanx | and at the end, I can always compile them in my home... |
| 15:43.58 | daww | After I runned "fdisk -l /dev/(sda, sda1-4, sdb, sdb1-4) just a new line "debian:/home/x# " comes up, no partition table at all |
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| 15:44.18 | greycat | BucWheat: what the hell does "usermod -G" have to do with anything that Apache does? |
| 15:44.22 | BucWheat | justin just a temp dir for my web application logs/images |
| 15:44.27 | BrutusLinux | I have vsftpd up and working on my server but cant get the port right for the router...its just port 20, right? |
| 15:44.34 | greycat | that's two today. |
| 15:44.36 | kevinz | i find gnome-terminal not very good, is there any better terminal in gnome? |
| 15:44.41 | JohnFlux | daww: do "file -s /dev/sd*" :) |
| 15:44.42 | justin | BucWheat: then use /var/tmp... |
| 15:44.49 | greycat | I *REALLY* need to get started writing that documentation I've been contemplating. |
| 15:44.52 | [Cadet] | daww: what about if you just run fdisk /dev/sda, does it see the device and start fdisk? |
| 15:45.00 | jstevens | BrutusLinux, 21 |
| 15:45.03 | BucWheat | greycat i put them in a group (www-data and mysql) |
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| 15:45.09 | daww | lsusb found "Bus 007 Device 014: ID 1005:b113 Apacer Technology, Inc. Handy Steno 2.0 (256MB)" |
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| 15:45.21 | BucWheat | greycat when i tried chown mysql:www-data couldn't get it to work right either |
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| 15:46.06 | [Cadet] | daww: your dmesg output shows it to only be 130mb |
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| 15:46.48 | daww | [Cadet], ok, it's 128MB in Windows, and it stand 128MB at the box |
| 15:47.16 | BucWheat | greycat now do you see what i'm trying to do ? |
| 15:47.43 | [Cadet] | daww: have you tried fdisk /dev/sda? does fdisk find the device and actually open? |
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| 15:48.31 | warchief | hi, im using sarge, upgraded just from woody, im keeping bf24(old machine), and since the upgrade, im having some sound problems, anyone know anything? |
| 15:48.44 | BucWheat | justin so i create /var/tmp/webapp_data/ and i want mysql and www-data user to be able to add/remove files from that dir what should the perms be? |
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| 15:49.03 | justin | BucWheat: g+w |
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| 15:49.32 | daww | [Cadet], "fdisk /dev/sda" gives me "Unable to open /dev/sda" |
| 15:49.43 | BucWheat | justin so just chown mysql:www-data -R /var/tmp/webapp_data ; chmod -R g+w /var/tmp/webapp_data ? |
| 15:50.26 | [Cadet] | daww: then it is not /dev/sda, or all the needed modules are not being loaded automatically |
| 15:50.38 | justin | BucWheat: no |
| 15:51.01 | daww | [Cadet], I've tried sda, sda1-4, sdb, sdb1-4 |
| 15:51.06 | warchief | i were using the opl3sa2(YAMAHA), and i really dont get why it doesnt work anymore |
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| 15:51.17 | BucWheat | justin heh. i was about to say because that doesn't give me the results i'm after either |
| 15:51.18 | daww | [Cadet], I think one of them should work properly |
| 15:51.24 | BucWheat | justin what did i do wrong ? |
| 15:51.55 | [Cadet] | daww: I see this: scsi: device set offline - not ready or command retry failed after bus reset: host 3 channel 0 id 0 lun 0 |
| 15:51.55 | justin | BucWheat: chown root:webapp_users /var/tmp/webapp_data |
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| 15:52.11 | [Cadet] | daww: so it looks like you have problems |
| 15:52.12 | manfred | hi there, sorry, just testing |
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| 15:52.15 | manfred | have a nice day |
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| 15:52.39 | BucWheat | justin then chmod g+w /var/tmp/webapp_data ? |
| 15:53.02 | [Cadet] | daww: maybe missing modules (well probably not missing, just not loaded) |
| 15:53.31 | incorrect | what can tell me what package a file belongs to? |
| 15:53.33 | calljair | good morning guys, it is a command to reconfigure the ftp servers from where I connect using "apt-get" the person that install this debian box was a windows lover and it did not know how to use the configuration. |
| 15:53.37 | justin | !tell incorrect about search |
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| 15:53.50 | fabietto | i'm still working on my wireless card... it receive signals from the access point (quality 100/100, signal level: -100dBm, noise level:-256 dBM, but iwconfig give me "access point: 00:00:00:00:00:00" |
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| 15:54.08 | warchief | anyone know something? |
| 15:54.10 | calljair | I am trying to add two more of the servers ftp ot http I know I can do it manually on the /etc/apt/ ? |
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| 15:54.17 | calljair | hahahah |
| 15:54.19 | incorrect | thanks justin |
| 15:54.20 | JediMaster | anyone know bind9 config? |
| 15:54.23 | fabietto | i tried also with kwifimanager and the accesspoint results to be "N/A" |
| 15:54.24 | calljair | ok |
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| 15:54.41 | BucWheat | justin when i do so and remove log.txt from that dir i get can't write/create |
| 15:54.51 | daww | [Cadet], and how do I load the modules (running Sarge ? RC2, the latest sarge anyway) |
| 15:54.55 | JediMaster | I've got primary dns working and I know I have the syntax correct for the slave/secondary dns working on a different machine, but the first machien refuses to give the data to teh secondary server even though it's in teh SOA |
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| 15:55.19 | daww | [Cadet], is it Sarge 3.1? How can I check that? |
| 15:55.23 | BucWheat | justin all of the files and the dir has -rwxrwxr-x |
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| 15:55.36 | BucWheat | justin and are root:webapp_users |
| 15:55.37 | paines | hi |
| 15:55.40 | ombresaco | hi |
| 15:55.46 | justin | BucWheat: you are not webapp_users then |
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| 15:55.58 | [Cadet] | daww: give me a second |
| 15:56.00 | greycat | JediMaster: tell BIND to allow zone transfers from the slave. |
| 15:56.05 | BucWheat | justin i added mysql and www-data to webapp_users |
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| 15:56.19 | greycat | daww: cat /etc/debian_version |
| 15:56.22 | JediMaster | greycat: I'm being stupid, I got the allow-transfer ip wrong =) thanks |
| 15:56.27 | daww | [Cadet], I should mention that the USB mouse ain't working at startup |
| 15:56.35 | paines | how can i get rid gnome with all of it's dependencies, easily ? |
| 15:56.39 | greycat | BucWheat: you have a FUNDAMENTAL misunderstanding about what it means to be "in a group". |
| 15:56.45 | paines | rid off, I mean |
| 15:56.50 | greycat | BucWheat: NOTHING you put in /etc/group is relevant to Apache, EVER. |
| 15:57.18 | calljair | to make the mouse wheel work i need to add the line explorer ps/2 |
| 15:57.20 | BucWheat | greycat so i need to adjust my httpd.conf then? |
| 15:57.23 | greycat | paines: /msg dpkg remove gnome |
| 15:57.34 | greycat | BucWheat: apache's child processes run as the user and group you specify in the file. |
| 15:57.41 | calljair | or something like that on the /etc/X11/XFree86.... |
| 15:57.42 | daww | [Cadet], I think I can start with the mouse =) |
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| 15:58.13 | calljair | but I see two areas of the file that have the headings "mouse |
| 15:58.14 | calljair | " |
| 15:58.15 | paines | greycat, thank you very much |
| 15:58.22 | ce | does anyone know if firefox can browse samba network? |
| 15:58.25 | lixhell | where to find the debian dvd`s of the sarge |
| 15:58.34 | daww | [Cadet], huh, now the mouse is working, directly when I pluged it |
| 15:58.37 | lixhell | ???? |
| 15:58.39 | BucWheat | greycat that i've specified in the httpd.conf for that dir right? |
| 15:59.00 | greycat | BucWheat: "for that dir"? uh... I don't believe it's configurable on a per-directory basis. |
| 15:59.01 | cheal|ignored | !jigdo |
| 15:59.01 | dpkg | methinks jigdo is *the* method for downloading cd images of Debian. at http://www.debian.org/CD/jigdo-cd/ or http://tldp.org/HOWTO/Debian-Jigdo/index.html |
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| 15:59.05 | lixhell | ops! Hello! |
| 15:59.06 | greycat | BucWheat: you could ask #apache to be sure. |
| 15:59.25 | possie | to forward a port over ssh i just need to do ssh -L localport:remoteip:remoteport user@remoteip right? cause when i connect on my localhost to localport i get a 'Connection refused' message on the remote ssh session |
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| 15:59.32 | BucWheat | greycat k. i've got to run an errand now but when i return i'll ask |
| 15:59.38 | BucWheat | so i'll be back in about an hour |
| 15:59.45 | tell | what's a nice dhcp config tool?? preferably gui |
| 16:00.02 | greycat | !kill tell |
| 16:00.49 | daww | [Cadet], whell the USB mouse working so it's no problem with the USB modules |
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| 16:01.10 | FieldySnuts | @kill fascineroso |
| 16:01.12 | Rawplayer | fascineroso :( |
| 16:01.25 | lixhell | been thankful |
| 16:01.29 | sussudio | woot. i have a nullmodem connection to my router via serial port. |
| 16:02.12 | FieldySnuts | heh |
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| 16:02.16 | [Cadet] | daww: not really, there are other modules for your device |
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| 16:02.22 | sussudio | k... mc doesn't agree with the charset. |
| 16:02.45 | daww | [Cadet], Ok |
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| 16:03.22 | daww | [Cadet], So what am I doing, witch modules should I load and how? |
| 16:03.53 | daww | [Cadet], ah, you mean that the mouse use usbmouse module, kind of |
| 16:04.54 | lixhell | exist dvd for AMD64??? |
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| 16:05.29 | directhex|work | lixhell, what you say? someone set up us the bomb! |
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| 16:05.59 | ro1 | hi |
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| 16:06.44 | greycat | lixhell: /msg dpkg amd64 |
| 16:06.56 | lixhell | dvd for amd64! exist? I not found. |
| 16:07.10 | slocate | whats' that app to use hardware not recognized by linux? |
| 16:07.17 | daww | [Cadet], Im lost |
| 16:07.18 | ro1 | i have a small problem - just installed the new kern from sarge - 2.6.8 -- i can't see the cd device in /dev -- in grub i have no hdc=... |
| 16:07.26 | zinx | slocate: Windows? |
| 16:07.28 | directhex|work | oh yeah, thanks greycat, disturb the peace & harmony of #debian-amd64 |
| 16:07.34 | greycat | ro1: did 2.4.27 work? |
| 16:07.42 | slocate | lol |
| 16:07.46 | ro1 | yes - but 2.2.4 does not use udev |
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| 16:07.50 | dvs | ro1: Do you have a /.dev directory |
| 16:07.52 | greycat | !worked in 2.4 |
| 16:07.52 | dpkg | Every time you say "___ doesn't work in 2.6, but it worked in 2.4", a 25 cent (USD) surcharge must be paid to greycat. |
| 16:07.53 | ro1 | yes |
| 16:08.18 | directhex|work | whatever happened to the !works in 2.6 factoid i had as a stock reponse for people using SATA? |
| 16:08.31 | greycat | directhex|work: try both works and worked |
| 16:08.35 | ro1 | should i use /.dev instead /dev? |
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| 16:08.49 | dvs | ro1: That means you're using udev |
| 16:08.54 | slocate | freenode~zinx: btu it lets you use windows drivers on linux |
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| 16:09.08 | slocate | i forget the name |
| 16:09.16 | ro1 | dvs: i know that - so udev does not see hdc? |
| 16:09.16 | directhex|work | slocate, ndiswrapper lets you use a limited number of windows ndis-compatible network drivers |
| 16:09.16 | starfish | does anyone know of a stained glass program for linux |
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| 16:09.17 | at0m|c | directhex: !works have no chance to survive make your time |
| 16:09.33 | dvs | ro1: You don't have a /dev/hdc entry? |
| 16:09.38 | ro1 | nope |
| 16:09.50 | slocate | yes freenode~directhex|work |
| 16:10.03 | ro1 | <PROTECTED> |
| 16:10.03 | ro1 | hda hda1 hda2 hda3 hda4 |
| 16:10.28 | directhex|work | ro1, erm... do you use ide-scsi? |
| 16:10.34 | ro1 | no |
| 16:10.42 | directhex|work | ro1, did dmesg say the device was detected? |
| 16:10.44 | ro1 | ide-scsi is obsolete in 2.6 |
| 16:10.51 | dvs | ro1: Do you have ide-cd loaded? |
| 16:11.01 | ro1 | module? |
| 16:11.03 | tell | what does this mean: Address range 145.97.210.177 to 145.97.211.255 not on net 145.97.210.177/255.255.254.0! ?? |
| 16:11.06 | ro1 | ide-cd module? |
| 16:11.07 | daww | Does anyone know how to load modules for USB memorys in Sarge, kernel 2.4.27? |
| 16:11.09 | dvs | ro1: yes |
| 16:11.18 | ro1 | no |
| 16:11.18 | ro1 | :) |
| 16:11.25 | dvs | !smake ro1 |
| 16:11.30 | dvs | !smack ro1 |
| 16:11.35 | PerfDave | tell: apt-get install ipcalc |
| 16:11.47 | tell | PerfDave : thanks |
| 16:11.59 | directhex|work | ro1, do you have hotplug or discover1 installed? |
| 16:11.59 | ro1 | i usually compile the kernel - this time i tried debian, and deb kernel :) |
| 16:12.04 | PerfDave | ipcalc++ # fantastic for dicking around with subnet masks |
| 16:12.07 | ro1 | thank you for enlightment |
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| 16:12.19 | ro1 | i have hotplug and discover |
| 16:12.20 | dvs | ro1: use the debian kernel if it works. |
| 16:12.26 | greycat | !kill tell |
| 16:12.44 | tell | !kiss greycat |
| 16:12.44 | greycat | so... so... horrible. |
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| 16:12.55 | daww | Does anyone know how to load modules for USB memorys for kernel 2.4.27? |
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| 16:13.04 | ro1 | dvs: how do i tell to load ide-cd at boot? /etc/modules? |
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| 16:13.09 | greycat | why do people who don't even know the difference between a host and a network think they should be setting up DHCP servers? |
| 16:13.10 | MrP | How do you configure what xserver xfree uses? |
| 16:13.13 | dvs | ro1: Yup |
| 16:13.16 | justin | daww: can you stop calling it a usb memory? |
| 16:13.24 | greycat | MrP: you mean what X server *Debian* uses? |
| 16:13.24 | ro1 | ty |
| 16:13.26 | greycat | MrP: or what? |
| 16:13.27 | directhex|work | MrP, erm... xfree is an x server |
| 16:13.30 | daww | justin, what should i call it? |
| 16:13.33 | dvs | ro1: Do you see it now? |
| 16:13.41 | daww | justin, USB Drive |
| 16:13.45 | greycat | MrP: or are you talking about using xf3 vs. xf4 in woody? |
| 16:14.07 | ricky_clarkson | How can I make my computer beep? |
| 16:14.11 | ro1 | dvs: yes - thank you |
| 16:14.16 | MrP | greycat: Well, I was trying to get an old S3 card to work, so I install xserver-s3, but it never worked. So I put my other card back in. And I want to switch back over to the original xserver it was using |
| 16:14.17 | greycat | ricky_clarkson: echo -en '\007' |
| 16:14.17 | dvs | ro1: np |
| 16:14.20 | MrP | installed* |
| 16:14.25 | paulswm | Heh |
| 16:14.31 | shamu | push its nose |
| 16:14.32 | ro1 | dvs: do i still have to tell to grub hdc=ide-cd ? |
| 16:14.37 | ricky_clarkson | greycat: I said beep, not make a martini! |
| 16:14.40 | dvs | ro1: nope |
| 16:14.40 | ro1 | to write cd |
| 16:14.40 | greycat | MrP: apt-get install xserver-xfree86 |
| 16:14.48 | MrP | greycat: Simple enough :) |
| 16:14.49 | dvs | ro1: nope |
| 16:14.57 | ro1 | k ty again |
| 16:15.06 | ricky_clarkson | greycat: It doesn't work. No beep, no error. |
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| 16:15.20 | greycat | ricky_clarkson: /msg dpkg bell |
| 16:15.23 | MrP | greycat: It says it is already installed :-/ |
| 16:15.31 | greycat | MrP: apt-get remove xserver-s3 |
| 16:15.33 | shamu | xserver-xfree86 is sarge, I believe -- I thought xserver-s3 was woody? |
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| 16:15.38 | ricky_clarkson | /msg dpkg can I talk to you about bells? |
| 16:15.44 | herodes | hi.,.. |
| 16:16.00 | greycat | shamu: xserver-s3 is one of the obsolete, unsupported XFree86 3.x servers in potato/woody |
| 16:16.01 | herodes | anyone uses ddclient?? |
| 16:16.07 | greycat | !anyone use |
| 16:16.08 | dpkg | No, no one uses it, not even the people who use it. |
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| 16:17.50 | warchief | what the problem herodes |
| 16:17.51 | ro1 | rebooooot :) |
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| 16:17.56 | ricky_clarkson | greycat: /msg dpkg bell didn't help too much, I tried both things. |
| 16:17.59 | starfish | does anyone know of a stained glass program for linux |
| 16:18.14 | ricky_clarkson | starfish: gimp |
| 16:18.24 | tell | PerfDave : i calculated hostmin and hostmax but still: Address range 145.97.210.1 to 145.97.210.254 not on net 145.97.210.177/255.255.255.0! |
| 16:18.37 | greycat | ricky_clarkson: then check your actual speaker wires. |
| 16:18.52 | ricky_clarkson | greycat: Can I make it use the soundcard instead? |
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| 16:19.36 | warchief | whats the problem herodes |
| 16:20.08 | warchief | whats wrong with ddclient |
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| 16:20.29 | warchief | verga y ese de donde salio |
| 16:20.31 | tactless | Apparent waste in whereami script: Is activated both by /etc/init.d/networks (by ifup -a) and /etc/init.d/whereami |
| 16:20.42 | greycat | tell: 145.97.210.177/255.255.255.0 is a NONSENSE network. |
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| 16:20.54 | greycat | that .177 on the end is totally eaten up by the 255.255.255.0 netmask. |
| 16:21.17 | tell | greycat : what should i modify then? |
| 16:21.22 | angelo_caduto | arf |
| 16:21.23 | greycat | your ignorance. |
| 16:21.31 | dvs | doh! |
| 16:21.31 | herodes | Wanderer, what to put in myhost.dyndns.org??-- pastebin.com/244972 |
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| 16:22.40 | warchief | how about your host |
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| 16:23.15 | herodes | iphost now? |
| 16:23.22 | warchief | no |
| 16:23.30 | alexscott | ns identify anarckyrc |
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| 16:23.44 | tactless | Is there any way to make-kpkg kernel_image without cleaning first? As in, when just adding a module... |
| 16:23.48 | herodes | warchief. hostname? |
| 16:23.52 | cat | how can i put a user to a group? |
| 16:23.58 | cat | adduser username group? |
| 16:24.00 | warchief | with which host did you create your acount? |
| 16:24.01 | tactless | Because as far as I can tell, if you don't clean first, the package is unaffected. |
| 16:24.01 | asg | cat: man adduser |
| 16:24.07 | tactless | cat: vigr |
| 16:24.15 | herodes | ok... |
| 16:24.29 | greycat | also see group(5) |
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| 16:24.45 | herodes | warchief so login? without .dyndns.org?? |
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| 16:25.26 | ivanfrey | What's happened to the dpkg bot? |
| 16:25.32 | greycat | !where are you |
| 16:25.32 | dpkg | I am located at Latitude: 33.9695129 Longitude: -117.3275986 |
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| 16:26.07 | jc-denton | hi |
| 16:26.30 | cat | I have my server set up so that unless you ip is in the hosts.allow file you can not login to the server I want to allow users to login under the username ircd but not be able to access root or any other user even if the sss 216.216.156.200 -l root it will tell the host denied |
| 16:26.57 | cat | how can i do that? |
| 16:27.08 | jc-denton | i am behind nat, so my local machines have different adresses then in the dns i use |
| 16:27.12 | jc-denton | how can i change that? |
| 16:27.23 | jc-denton | if i write them in /etc/hosts |
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| 16:27.35 | jc-denton | and use a dns, then it takes the ip from the dns |
| 16:27.45 | greycat | cat: you want to disable su(1) for user ircd? man su, editor /etc/pam.d/su |
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| 16:28.44 | asuffield | greycat: I think he wants rlogin auth for ssh. which is quite insane |
| 16:28.48 | takatumi | !greetings |
| 16:28.48 | dpkg | hello, takatumi |
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| 16:28.55 | warchief | ok, configuring from a .tar its not an easy tasj |
| 16:29.03 | warchief | task* |
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| 16:32.02 | alexscott | alexscott test |
| 16:32.10 | ricky_clarkson | alexscott: You failed! |
| 16:32.23 | MrP | What would cause xfree to give me the error "Caught signal 11"? |
| 16:32.31 | alexscott | yes |
| 16:32.36 | PerfDave | MrP: Something sending signal 11 to xfree? |
| 16:32.41 | greycat | !sig11 |
| 16:32.41 | dpkg | it has been said that sig11 is Process Signal 11, SEGV (Segment Violation or Segmentation Fault). The program has been smacked down by the kernel for accessing memory outside its segment; indicates a bug in the software, or, with memory-intensive software like gcc, may indicate failing RAM. See the Sig11 FAQ at http://www.bitwizard.nl/sig11/ |
| 16:32.43 | alexscott | amsg cant send private messages :S |
| 16:32.45 | ricky_clarkson | MrP: Something segfaulted. |
| 16:33.03 | ricky_clarkson | alexscott: Please don't spam. |
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| 16:33.42 | Davidcc6 | how can i share a session whit screen? |
| 16:34.17 | stew | Davidcc6: what do you mean? have 2 different clients view the same screen session? |
| 16:34.22 | MrP | I get the signal 11 when I try to start up the gnome display manager |
| 16:34.29 | Davidcc6 | for attach is screen x, but how can i do the session shared? |
| 16:34.35 | warchief | dpkg i have sound problems moving from woody to sarge, what can you tell my about thath |
| 16:34.35 | dpkg | warchief: You are moron #30 |
| 16:34.39 | petemc | Davidcc6: get the user to run screen, then as root "chown user `tty` ; su - user ; screen -x" |
| 16:34.41 | Davidcc6 | stew, yes |
| 16:34.49 | stew | Davidcc6: screen -x |
| 16:34.49 | ricky_clarkson | I heard that 'lol' signifies the end of a sentence in IRC lol |
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| 16:37.27 | Davidcc6 | petemc, thx |
| 16:37.29 | Davidcc6 | thx all |
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| 16:37.57 | PerfDave | Or use ttysnoop |
| 16:38.49 | jc-denton | nobody helps me with my stupid problem |
| 16:38.49 | jc-denton | :( |
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| 16:39.16 | samuel | sup all |
| 16:39.38 | asg | jc-denton: check /etc/nsswitch.conf and make sure 'files' come before 'dns' on the 'hosts: ' line |
| 16:39.39 | PerfDave | jc-denton: You need to upgrade your nanotech implants. |
| 16:39.51 | samuel | whats the name of the package that creates/deletes device nodes when hardware is connected/disconnected? |
| 16:40.03 | ricky_clarkson | devfs? |
| 16:40.17 | PerfDave | jc-denton: You can run dnsmasq on a local machine to serve local addresses to local machines and use upstream resolution for other things, or you could do the nsswitch.conf thing that asg said |
| 16:40.33 | samuel | ricky_clarkson, thats the one! |
| 16:40.34 | samuel | thanks |
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| 16:40.40 | asg | we don't care |
| 16:40.47 | jc-denton | hosts: files dns |
| 16:40.57 | stew | !tell Wanou -about away |
| 16:41.12 | jc-denton | PerfDave: i know |
| 16:41.14 | karina23 | With coming(stepping) all February, 23! |
| 16:41.17 | jc-denton | but i dont have the money |
| 16:41.19 | failsafe | hello, how can i get start debian without a X window? |
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| 16:41.26 | asg | karina23: wtf? |
| 16:41.31 | asg | failsafe: /msg dpkg nodm |
| 16:41.36 | jc-denton | also most modern implants use proprietary software |
| 16:41.45 | jc-denton | and i dont want that in my body :P |
| 16:42.00 | PerfDave | jc-denton: Free Bioware! |
| 16:42.07 | stew | isn't the human genome now non-free? |
| 16:42.08 | jc-denton | ah it works |
| 16:42.15 | jc-denton | lol |
| 16:42.26 | PerfDave | It's bad enough that US military run systems on Windows without people putting that shit in their bodies. |
| 16:42.37 | jc-denton | i think my fault was that i checked with the utility host |
| 16:42.43 | PerfDave | "What's the cause of death, coroner?" "Oh, his pacemaker had a BSOD." |
| 16:42.56 | failsafe | asg: u means use a command: dpkg nodm? |
| 16:42.57 | warchief | lol |
| 16:43.06 | asg | failsafe: no, it means /msg our channel bot |
| 16:43.07 | PerfDave | !tell failsafe -about msgdpkg |
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| 16:43.27 | TheBlueWizard | stew: patenting basically makes human genome nonfree for practical purposes |
| 16:43.40 | ricky_clarkson | np, samuel, np. |
| 16:44.18 | stew | TheBlueWizard: does that mean i cannot create a derivative work? |
| 16:44.24 | ricky_clarkson | stew: Hehe. |
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| 16:44.39 | ricky_clarkson | You've got to pay some company if you father a child? |
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| 16:44.57 | ricky_clarkson | I thought you just sued Durex. |
| 16:44.58 | jc-denton | thx4help! |
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| 16:45.02 | stew | wanna see my sourcecode? |
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| 16:45.15 | ricky_clarkson | stew: Save it for the post-mortem. |
| 16:45.21 | ricky_clarkson | stew: I'm free tomorrow. |
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| 16:45.39 | paulswm | gives apt-get install a whole new meaning |
| 16:45.46 | ^majik^ | grephead: wow.. technomage.net. heh, MORDOR rules :-) |
| 16:45.54 | LuCkYaN | anyone know a good imap for debian ? |
| 16:45.59 | grephead | ^majik^: hehe |
| 16:46.22 | failsafe | oh, i see |
| 16:46.24 | failsafe | thack u |
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| 16:46.28 | dvs | LuCkYaN: I use uw-imap and it's fine |
| 16:46.32 | TheBlueWizard | stew: patenting is all about the implementation. If you create something that does the same (or similar) functionality as that covered under a patent, you can get sued. By the way, IANAL |
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| 16:46.54 | resiak | Let's patent a reproducing organism! |
| 16:46.55 | stew | LuCkYaN: courier-imap is the most popular |
| 16:46.56 | grephead | any mysql/sasl/postfix gurus in here? |
| 16:46.58 | asg | LuCkYaN: dovecot, courier-imap |
| 16:47.03 | karina23 | Who speaks in Russian? |
| 16:47.07 | asg | grephead: they would be in #postfix |
| 16:47.07 | ricky_clarkson | Russian people. |
| 16:47.09 | ricky_clarkson | !russian |
| 16:47.09 | dpkg | [russian] Pogalujsta, zajdite na #debian-russian :) |
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| 16:47.21 | warchief | <PROTECTED> |
| 16:47.37 | TheBlueWizard | stew: what is so broken re: genetic patenting is that one does not have to actually create in order to patent...discovery suffices |
| 16:47.45 | ricky_clarkson | warchief: You put kelvin off. |
| 16:48.08 | LuCkYaN | stew: and you know a web page with HOW-to configure courier without mysql ? i want to install openwebmail and want to get users from users from shell |
| 16:48.12 | paulswm | resiak: that certainly protects a lot of inmates here from possible patents |
| 16:48.39 | grephead | asg: i would agree, but i am hoping for some more debian centric answers... like hopefully someone that may have a similar setup |
| 16:48.42 | ricky_clarkson | warchief: Do not /msg me. |
| 16:48.43 | jay_ | what's the name of the X11 on apt-get? |
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| 16:48.53 | ricky_clarkson | jay_: xserver-xfree86 |
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| 16:49.03 | ricky_clarkson | jay_: use apt-get install x-window-system |
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| 16:49.13 | jay_ | im looking for x11, not xfree86 tho. |
| 16:49.20 | LuCkYaN | stew? anyone know ? |
| 16:49.22 | stew | LuCkYaN: that should be the default configuration, just apt-get install courier-iap |
| 16:49.22 | asg | grephead: okay, maybe someone can help you then. |
| 16:49.23 | ricky_clarkson | XFree86 is an implementation of X11. |
| 16:49.27 | stew | err courier-imap |
| 16:49.38 | LuCkYaN | oka .. tks |
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| 16:49.41 | jay_ | ah, thx |
| 16:49.51 | greycat | !faq jay_ |
| 16:49.52 | dpkg | jay_: http://www.linuks.mine.nu/debian-faq-wiki/ |
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| 16:50.20 | chugga | how do i stop this stupid iptables thing |
| 16:50.27 | asg | grephead: http://workaround.org/articles/ispmail-sarge/ (you look at that yet)? |
| 16:50.48 | jay_ | thank you |
| 16:50.54 | grephead | asg: yup |
| 16:51.05 | grephead | asg: and a plethora of other docs |
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| 16:51.40 | chugga | iptables --flush <- should this do it? |
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| 16:52.12 | InsomniaCity | Hi.. is there anyone here good at troubleshooting Postfix? I'm getting email to users sent to the catch all address when it shouldnt be. |
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| 16:53.01 | penta | all the sudden my evolution stop working on the pop .. but i can login using telnet mail.server.com 110 and i can check with commandline but evolution says can not get POP summary : operation now in process and fail does anybody know why its 2.0.3 |
| 16:53.20 | LuCkYaN | stew: a nice or a good webmail you know ??? open webmail is good ? |
| 16:53.20 | samuel | whats the name of the package that creates/deletes device nodes when hardware is connected/disconnected? NOT devfs? |
| 16:53.21 | travisat | InsomniaCity:#postfix |
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| 16:54.04 | InsomniaCity | travisat: thanks |
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| 16:54.42 | Ataliba | ALGUEM DA SECTI-BA? |
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| 16:54.44 | stew | chugga: that will flush the filter table but not other tables, (like the nat table) |
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| 16:55.05 | greycat | !br |
| 16:55.05 | dpkg | Por favor use #debian-br para ajuda em portugues. |
| 16:55.07 | chugga | stew, ok, .. so what do i do? |
| 16:55.10 | samuel | udev |
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| 16:55.24 | samuel | whats the difference between udev and devfs? |
| 16:55.27 | stew | chugga: iptables -t tablename -F |
| 16:55.30 | jakjak | what the best package for tape backups? |
| 16:55.43 | greycat | jakjak: tar, mt, cpio |
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| 16:56.12 | jakjak | not something like admanda or backuppc? |
| 16:56.14 | greycat | BAH! Stupid GNU! |
| 16:56.19 | greycat | <PROTECTED> |
| 16:56.24 | greycat | That's not what tar stands for! |
| 16:56.36 | greycat | <PROTECTED> |
| 16:56.39 | greycat | ^^^ HP-UX. |
| 16:56.44 | jakjak | wow |
| 16:56.45 | greycat | THAT is what tar is. Tape ARchiver. TAR. |
| 16:56.54 | jakjak | so thats what tar was originally created for? |
| 16:57.07 | jakjak | interesting |
| 16:57.17 | jakjak | how do I sue it for tape backup/restore? |
| 16:57.24 | dvs | sue? |
| 16:57.31 | jakjak | use |
| 16:57.32 | jakjak | err |
| 16:57.37 | jakjak | sorry |
| 16:57.37 | travisat | jakjak: man tar |
| 16:57.37 | m3d | step 1: hire a lawyer... |
| 16:57.39 | cmug | use fbackup instead |
| 16:57.45 | cmug | on hpux |
| 16:57.45 | jakjak | alright |
| 16:57.48 | Esaj | I don't think you can sue programs :) |
| 16:57.53 | greycat | cmug: *shudder* |
| 16:57.55 | jakjak | friggin man |
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| 16:58.05 | greycat | jakjak: tar cvf /dev/st0 mydir |
| 16:58.14 | cmug | greycat, what? :) |
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| 16:58.26 | jakjak | danke |
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| 16:59.09 | travisat | jakjak: you don't actually need the v in there unless you want to watch tar do its work |
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| 17:00.15 | otje | when running chkrootkit, I get "Checking `wted'... 1 deletion(s) between" (2 dates follow) ; what is this? |
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| 17:00.58 | MaximusBr | hi... |
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| 17:01.14 | sussudio | greycat: what do i need to do to get minicom to work properly with cursorkeys and pgup/pgdown over a serial line with nullmodem to another pc? |
| 17:01.36 | travisat | knoppix sux, yo |
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| 17:02.33 | MaximusBr | when I execute dselect I can get some packages... but I cant get SSH... not even on the non-us servers... how can this be??? and plz dont sent me to a manual... because I read all manuals availible on the site !!! |
| 17:02.49 | otje | when running chkrootkit, I get "Checking `wted'... 1 deletion(s) between" (2 dates follow) ; what is this? |
| 17:02.50 | asg | MaximusBr: then fuck dselect, just 'apt-get install ssh' |
| 17:03.07 | travisat | !fuck dselect |
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| 17:03.21 | purestorm | MaximusBr: aptitude is much better than dselect |
| 17:03.24 | travisat | hmmm didn't work |
| 17:03.28 | MaximusBr | k |
| 17:03.32 | MaximusBr | ill try it :) |
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| 17:03.53 | MaximusBr | where to get apitude??? |
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| 17:03.59 | purestorm | MaximusBr: apt-get aptitude |
| 17:04.00 | purestorm | ;) |
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| 17:04.04 | MaximusBr | lol |
| 17:04.05 | MaximusBr | ty |
| 17:04.11 | purestorm | aptitude allows to view packages detailed |
| 17:04.13 | idnar | or apt-get install aptitude, even |
| 17:04.13 | purestorm | dependencies |
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| 17:04.22 | purestorm | idnar: true |
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| 17:04.35 | purestorm | MaximusBr: Aptitude lets you see detailed ependencies |
| 17:04.39 | purestorm | has saved my ass some times ;) |
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| 17:04.59 | MaximusBr | Couldn't find package Aptitude |
| 17:05.11 | asg | MaximusBr: lowercase 'aptitude' |
| 17:05.12 | Jimmymaniac | hi. Quick question: to change the hostname of a given debian install, will it do with just "hostname newone"? or do i need to change something else? i already saw an entry on /etc/hosts with the current hostname |
| 17:05.22 | asg | Jimmymaniac: /msg dpkg hostname |
| 17:05.26 | MaximusBr | @asg... sry ... it was lower case |
| 17:05.29 | Araldit | is it possible to have the boot sequence in different colors for warnings and success like the knoppix life cd...? |
| 17:05.30 | MaximusBr | telephone |
| 17:05.31 | appaji | MaximusBr: apt-cache show aptitude |
| 17:05.40 | ricky_clarkson | !1.5*1.5 |
| 17:05.40 | dpkg | 2.25 |
| 17:05.48 | PerfDave | Araldit: Use a different init |
| 17:05.58 | Jimmymaniac | asg: thanks :) |
| 17:06.04 | asg | Jimmymaniac: you're welcome |
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| 17:06.20 | Araldit | PerfDave: Do you know where I can find some info conserning this. |
| 17:06.37 | appaji | Jimmymaniac: it depends, if you wanted to change just the output of 'hostname', yes. if you want to say set the mail-name see /etc/mailname (man mailname) |
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| 17:08.22 | MaximusBr | @ appaji... apt-cachhe show aptitude gives error: Unable to locate package aptitude |
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| 17:08.30 | MaximusBr | apt-cache |
| 17:08.31 | MaximusBr | * |
| 17:08.47 | asg | MaximusBr: apt-setup (configure some sane sources) |
| 17:08.49 | dvs | MaximusBr: What the heck do you have in /etc/apt/sources.list |
| 17:08.59 | asg | !kill nortel |
| 17:09.00 | appaji | MaximusBr: Do you have the right sources in /etc/apt/sources.list? |
| 17:09.04 | MaximusBr | alot of things |
| 17:09.05 | MaximusBr | yes |
| 17:09.08 | MaximusBr | i think so... |
| 17:09.21 | dvs | MaximusBr: It doesn't look like it from here |
| 17:09.29 | MaximusBr | no... i know that |
| 17:09.31 | MaximusBr | :) |
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| 17:09.42 | MaximusBr | ill add another one ! |
| 17:09.50 | jstevens | I heard somewhere that you had to have a partition set aside for suspending to disk... does "Software Suspend 2 script" require this? |
| 17:09.54 | appaji | MaximusBr: paste your /etc/apt/sources.list in #flood? |
| 17:09.55 | asg | MaximusBr: are you running Debian or frobnitz-based-on-debian(tm) ? |
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| 17:10.26 | MaximusBr | @ appaji... i cant paste because I havent setup ssh yet |
| 17:10.27 | oZt | Has someone in here ever experienced a total loss of icons? Or at least almost total |
| 17:10.29 | asg | jstevens: iirc, you only need a swap partition 2.5 times larger than your memory |
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| 17:10.34 | archpollux | when doing apt-get update, is there a way to only update from one site? |
| 17:10.38 | asg | oZt: I never had icons to begin with |
| 17:10.38 | ricky_clarkson | oZt: apt-get install gnome-icon-theme |
| 17:10.39 | archpollux | ..source.. |
| 17:10.40 | appaji | MaximusBr: eh? |
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| 17:10.50 | stew | oZt: yes when i switched to ratpoison, it was a great day |
| 17:10.50 | MaximusBr | im saying this from another comp |
| 17:11.03 | appaji | MaximusBr: Ok. |
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| 17:11.21 | jstevens | asg: so if I have 256 Ram, my swap needs to be about 700, and it'll suspend to the swap partition? |
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| 17:11.38 | asg | jstevens: if all your other stuff works correctly, it should. |
| 17:11.45 | ricky_clarkson | ROOOOOOOD VAN NISTELROOOOOY |
| 17:11.49 | asg | jstevens: I've never managed to get it to work though so YMMV. |
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| 17:11.57 | MaximusBr | ive gotta go... |
| 17:11.59 | oZt | ricky_clarkson, it's already isntalled... |
| 17:12.02 | appaji | !dpkg tell MirageGarage about root |
| 17:12.04 | MaximusBr | thnx for your guys help |
| 17:12.05 | MaximusBr | ! |
| 17:12.22 | ricky_clarkson | oZt: Look in /usr/share/icons |
| 17:12.33 | jstevens | asg: cool, so how do I change the size of the swap partition? |
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| 17:13.47 | asg | jstevens: either resize the partition and mkswap /dev/whatever or create a larger one in some free space. |
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| 17:14.11 | Cyber_NY | question...installing a video driver from vendor for linux...but doesn't have debian...it has redhat...redflag...mandrake...suse...fedora...which driver do i use? |
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| 17:14.33 | asg | Cyber_NY: get the tarball if they provide one. |
| 17:14.34 | ludi | is there something wrong if I do "apt-get update" multiple times in a row and it still has to download from the sources? |
| 17:14.40 | zinx | Cyber_NY: this channel is for help with debian |
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| 17:14.51 | jstevens | asg: ok... well in order to do that I need to *shorten* the current partition... I heard at one point that there was an app that would do that (similar to Partition Magic, but for Linux) ... do you reccolect it's name? |
| 17:14.53 | Cyber_NY | i'm running debian |
| 17:15.01 | asg | jstevens: gnu parted |
| 17:15.12 | zinx | Cyber_NY: you're not making much sense, then |
| 17:15.15 | Cyber_NY | asg: yes i got the tarball... |
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| 17:15.31 | jstevens | asg: sweet, that was in... not sure why I couldn't remember that |
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| 17:15.37 | asg | zinx: he wants to download some prorietary driver and all they provide are redhat, etc. He wanted to know what to get for debian. |
| 17:15.46 | zinx | ooh, ok |
| 17:15.47 | asg | Cyber_NY: then untar it, and read the readme |
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| 17:15.51 | zinx | Cyber_NY: which distribution? |
| 17:15.58 | zinx | errrrrh |
| 17:16.00 | zinx | Cyber_NY: which video card? |
| 17:16.07 | Cyber_NY | zinx: serge |
| 17:16.11 | ludi | is there something wrong if I do "apt-get update" multiple times in a row and it still has to download from the sources? |
| 17:16.19 | dvs | S3... yuck! |
| 17:16.25 | asg | ludi: no, it's supposed to do that |
| 17:16.27 | zinx | Cyber_NY: best to follow asg's advice then |
| 17:16.34 | ludi | asg: why? |
| 17:16.48 | Cyber_NY | asg: i got the tarball |
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| 17:16.50 | asg | ludi: oh, sorry it isn't. It has to check the packages but not download sources everytime. |
| 17:17.17 | asg | Cyber_NY: then untar it and read the README. |
| 17:17.42 | gridline | ludi: How do you know it's downloading? |
| 17:17.45 | ludi | asg: so why does it continue to download the indexes or whatever, every time I do apt-get update |
| 17:17.47 | Cyber_NY | asg: i have and it doesn't mention anything about debian |
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| 17:17.54 | ludi | gridline: because I can see it downloading |
| 17:18.02 | asg | Cyber_NY: then follow the instructions for compiling it, installing it, etc. |
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| 17:18.16 | ludi | usually I do that apt-get update once and it synchronizes and doesn't have to download again for awhile. |
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| 17:18.22 | NaturalRoots | hi |
| 17:18.28 | PerfDave | Araldit: Look for packages like minit and sysvinit |
| 17:18.31 | greycat | /nick Mad_Sacred_Flying_Cow |
| 17:18.40 | NaturalRoots | someone use postfix+squid in MYSQL or postgreSQL ?? |
| 17:18.43 | asg | ludi: either the upstream indicies have changed (not likely) or /var is ro or you don't have enough space on /var to write the indicies. |
| 17:18.48 | Araldit | PerfDave: thx |
| 17:18.49 | hdo781 | Does anyone have experience using gxine as a plugin for firefox? |
| 17:19.01 | sussudio | MEH. |
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| 17:19.30 | Cyber_NY | asg: it has a few different ones ....redhat...redflag...suse...mandrake...fedora...which one do i use? |
| 17:19.35 | ludi | asg: /var is not ro, and there's plenty of free space available. |
| 17:19.50 | sussudio | greycat: how do i get cursor keys to work properly in minicom over a serial line? ctrl-a i doesn't seem to do the trick. |
| 17:19.53 | asg | ludi: you could 'strace' it and see if anything obvious shows up. |
| 17:20.12 | gridline | ludi: or see if what it downloads in the the cache or not |
| 17:20.12 | greycat | sussudio: the serial line shouldn't be relevant... |
| 17:20.12 | asg | Cyber_NY: nothing for 'generic linux'? |
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| 17:20.27 | greycat | sussudio: it's more likely to be a terminal emulation vs. $TERM issue |
| 17:20.38 | Cyber_NY | nope |
| 17:20.55 | asg | Cyber_NY: then mail the manufacturer and ask WTF? |
| 17:20.58 | penta | is there any replacement for evolution like with calendar and task with email |
| 17:21.02 | sussudio | greycat: $TERM is vt100, minicom is set to vt102 |
| 17:21.03 | archpollux | is there no way for apt-get update to only update from a specific source? |
| 17:21.13 | asg | penta: mutt + pal works great |
| 17:21.28 | greycat | sussudio: press "Ctrl-V" "Uparrow" to see what it's sending, and compare that to whatever you get from "infocmp" on the server. |
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| 17:21.47 | Cyber_NY | ok....and is there another option |
| 17:21.51 | greycat | sussudio: or learn to use hjlk movement keys in vi like the rest of us. vi uses hjlk for a *reason*. :) |
| 17:21.58 | phanter | hello, If I mount my vfat partition the users do not have the permissions to writwe on that partition. I did insert the rw option in the fstab file |
| 17:22.01 | asg | !long live hjlk |
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| 17:22.07 | sussudio | greycat: that give ^[[A |
| 17:22.12 | penta | asg mutt is console am i right |
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| 17:22.15 | diesel | Will Knoppix 3.6 recognize SATA> |
| 17:22.16 | greycat | sussudio: sounds about right. |
| 17:22.20 | asg | penta: yes, as is pal |
| 17:22.24 | asg | diesel: #knoppix |
| 17:22.25 | greycat | diesel: who fucking cares? ask #knoppix. |
| 17:22.33 | penta | asg, i need GUI :-) |
| 17:22.41 | octavious | GUI is overrated |
| 17:22.42 | asg | penta: *sigh* then try mozilla |
| 17:23.00 | diesel | geesh...seek some valium. |
| 17:23.05 | asg | penta: or thunderstick (or wtf the new firefox thingy with calendar option is called.) |
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| 17:23.14 | asg | diesel: no, learn to ask questions in appropriate places. |
| 17:23.28 | jstevens | I'm getting "(parted) check 6 Error: Filesystem was not cleanly unmounted! You should e2fsck. Modifying an unclean filesystem could cause severe corruption." ... this is the main linux partition... can parted modify the "/" partition? |
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| 17:23.42 | asg | jstevens: not while it's mounted |
| 17:23.48 | NaturalRoots | howto postfix+postgreSQL someonE havEE? |
| 17:23.49 | ricky_clarkson | greycat: Isn't the reason for hjlk simply that some keyboards didn't have arrow keys? |
| 17:23.51 | asg | jstevens: reboot into single user mode |
| 17:23.51 | NaturalRoots | ? |
| 17:24.07 | jstevens | asg: that was my question... thanks |
| 17:24.08 | Cyber_NY | asg: ok....and is there another option besides emailing the vendor? |
| 17:24.22 | InsomniaCity | ok... no-one in #postfix is helping (apart from me)... could someone over here help me with my problem? |
| 17:24.30 | greycat | ricky_clarkson: that's another reason. |
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| 17:24.54 | greycat | ricky_clarkson: still another is that the hjkl keys are on the home row, so you don't have to take your hands off the alphabet. |
| 17:24.54 | jstevens | asg: that scares me... I'll get brave and try it in a little bit (I hope) |
| 17:25.02 | Cyber_NY | insomniacity: just ask ur question |
| 17:25.14 | InsomniaCity | Hi.. is there anyone here good at troubleshooting Postfix? I'm getting email to users sent to the catch all address when it shouldnt be. |
| 17:25.15 | ricky_clarkson | ur? |
| 17:25.21 | ricky_clarkson | Is that a word? |
| 17:25.24 | greycat | !ur |
| 17:25.24 | dpkg | Ur is the ancient Sumerian city that dominated Mesopotamia from 6000 BC to 600 BC. If you mean "you are" or "your", just say so. Also swedish for clock, and a swedish word meaning "from within". a german prefix for refering to something very old |
| 17:25.41 | golanx | !golan |
| 17:25.49 | sussudio | ~seen odl |
| 17:25.54 | apt | odl <7WN3oLebKg@odl.registered> was last seen on IRC in channel #kde, 245d 11h 18m 26s ago, saying: 'good night.'. |
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| 17:26.07 | InsomniaCity | thats a long sleep! |
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| 17:26.24 | ricky_clarkson | Probably KDE's most active user. |
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| 17:26.48 | InsomniaCity | Cyber_NY: my point is.. I did ask my question here, and I was told to take it to #postfix |
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| 17:26.59 | Cyber_NY | ask again |
| 17:27.06 | t0ffel | how can I find out which source provides a certain package? |
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| 17:27.22 | phanter | If I mount my vfat partition the users do not have the permissions to write on that partition. I did insert the rw option in the fstab file. What should I do? |
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| 17:27.24 | PerfDave | t0ffel: apt-cache show $package |
| 17:27.44 | t0ffel | ok thanks PerfDave |
| 17:27.49 | phanter | t0ffel: or apt-cache search $package |
| 17:28.13 | PerfDave | phanter: Uhm, no. |
| 17:28.34 | PerfDave | ricky_clarkson: Are you accussing #debian of great spackage? ;) |
| 17:28.35 | phanter | PerfDave: why not? |
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| 17:28.43 | stew | phanter: apt-cache doens't show sources |
| 17:28.49 | stew | phanter: err apt-cache search rather |
| 17:28.50 | PerfDave | phanter: Because that doesn't tell you which source package provides a certain package. |
| 17:28.57 | shamu | packages.qa.debian.org might |
| 17:28.59 | ricky_clarkson | PerfDave: If you want. |
| 17:29.00 | phanter | you are right. I need to read better :) |
| 17:29.08 | shamu | http://packages.qa.debian.org -- visit there and type in the package name |
| 17:29.17 | shamu | I think it will indicate which source package it comes from |
| 17:29.24 | Cyber_NY | asg: is my only option to email the vendor |
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| 17:29.46 | partially | i am looking to implement a high traffic mail server and have very little experience with mail serers; what mta would people recommend |
| 17:29.49 | gridline | Cyanophytes: NO you can just pik one at random and see if it works. |
| 17:29.52 | shamu | it'll ask for a source package, but if you type in a package package, it'll find it for you |
| 17:30.01 | nevyn | partially: define high traffic? |
| 17:30.04 | gridline | Cyber_NY: that is not Cyanophytes |
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| 17:30.14 | nevyn | partially: sending or recieving? |
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| 17:30.25 | partially | nevyn: recieving |
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| 17:30.34 | digitaltemper | Hi, i recently installed Nvidia video drivers everythings working fine except when gdm login screen loads the resolution is messed up but when it gets to the desktop its fine, how can i rectify this? |
| 17:30.47 | nevyn | partially: more than 10 messages a second? |
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| 17:30.59 | partially | no, maybe 5 or so |
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| 17:31.19 | nevyn | 5/second is still pretty high... if that's sustained. |
| 17:31.24 | t0ffel | how can I find a package that provides a certain file? |
| 17:31.31 | PerfDave | t0ffel: /msg dpkg search |
| 17:31.32 | dvs | t0ffel: dpkg -S |
| 17:31.56 | shamu | t0ffel -- also, http://packages.debian.org , go to the second form down |
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| 17:32.22 | nevyn | partially: how are people accessing this email? |
| 17:32.22 | PerfDave | dvs, shamu: or he could just ask dpkg ;) |
| 17:32.22 | partially | nevyn: i do not thing it will be sustained, but there will definetly be bursts with such numbers; i really want somethin that is secure and reliable, speed is less of an issue |
| 17:32.23 | t0ffel | thanks guys :) |
| 17:32.36 | partially | nevyn: web interface |
| 17:32.38 | Cyber_NY | gridline: Cyber_NY: that is not Cyanophytes????? |
| 17:32.52 | gridline | yes, like I said soon after. |
| 17:33.22 | gridline | I types Cyanophytes when I meant to sau Cyber_NY before |
| 17:33.27 | nevyn | partially: if you have to deliver locally anyway.. you might as well use postfix |
| 17:33.33 | shamu | digitaltemper -- if you try using kdm instead of gdm, does it work any differently? Worth a shot |
| 17:33.56 | daww | dvs, Hi |
| 17:34.07 | shamu | it's a quick way to verify it's a gdm and not an X server or other kind of problem |
| 17:34.09 | dvs | daww: No soup for you! ;-) |
| 17:34.15 | shamu | mmm soup |
| 17:34.23 | shamu | quick survey -- favorite soup |
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| 17:34.26 | Cyber_NY | gridline...ok...but i'm new to linux...so if the video get all scrammbled i don't know how to fix it |
| 17:34.28 | daww | dvs, Having problem with mounting a USB Drive, do you think you can help |
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| 17:34.35 | digitaltemper | shamu: Ill try that then? just think its weird, never had that problem before. |
| 17:34.39 | shamu | daww, did you ask this question before? |
| 17:34.39 | partially | nevyn: ok, thanks |
| 17:34.58 | gridline | Uh, Make sure you knwo how to undo what you do AND make backups |
| 17:35.00 | exalted | To be able to programming in Java on debian, which package(s) i have to install? |
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| 17:35.07 | shamu | digitaltemper -- when you install kdm, make sure the install dialog asks you which to choose, and then choose kdm so that kdm starts up instead |
| 17:35.21 | dvs | daww: What problem are you having? |
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| 17:35.36 | MirageGarage | whoot |
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| 17:36.01 | shamu | hold on -- this page helped me out a bunch. sarge has a lot of nicer hardware autodetection now |
| 17:36.10 | daww | dvs, I can't mount with "mount -t vfat /dev/sda or sda1-4 or sdb or sdb1-4 |
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| 17:36.39 | dvs | daww: Do you see it in /var/log/messages? |
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| 17:37.03 | Cyber_NY | shamu: can u share that page? |
| 17:37.06 | gridline | daww, do you really have fat on a scsi drive? |
| 17:37.33 | shamu | http://wiki.debian.net/?HardwareAutodetection |
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| 17:37.37 | LuCkYaN | hi |
| 17:37.43 | daww | ok I reboot, check it in Windows, but I'm quite sure |
| 17:37.44 | LuCkYaN | anyone who know courier online ? |
| 17:37.45 | daww | brb |
| 17:38.22 | LuCkYaN | ?? |
| 17:38.24 | netcat | leave #debian |
| 17:38.26 | MirageGarage | I just installed debian, via sarge, and installed kde by apt-get, when i startx, or kde, it says xinit server error, how can i remedy this? |
| 17:38.29 | shamu | I went kind of 'geek gone wild' and apt-get installed everything on that page. Surprisingly, it all seemed to work together. I particularly like udev -- it automanages /dev for you, and you only see the /dev files that actually have hardware devices behind them |
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| 17:38.55 | LuCkYaN | i get on apt-get install courier-imap this : |
| 17:38.55 | LuCkYaN | Configuration file `/etc/pam.d/imap' |
| 17:38.55 | LuCkYaN | ==> File on system created by you or by a script. |
| 17:38.56 | LuCkYaN | ==> File also in package provided by package maintainer. |
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| 17:39.03 | exalted | Sorry about repeating: "To be able to programming in Java on debian, which package(s) i have to install?" |
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| 17:39.17 | Cyber_NY | shamu: did u have any problems with video |
| 17:39.21 | simonrvn | a jdk |
| 17:39.25 | shamu | hence, if the other stuff can autodetect your usb drive when you plug it in, then if you have udev installed, and look at /dev before and after you plug your usb flash drive in, then you should see some /dev files magically appear |
| 17:39.33 | shamu | and those are the partitions you then should mount |
| 17:39.38 | jakjak | kdat is a nice frontend |
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| 17:39.44 | exalted | simonrvn: for me? |
| 17:39.45 | PerfDave | exalted: free-java-sdk for Free java implementation, java-package for Sun's non-Free stuff. |
| 17:39.54 | jakjak | cool a knoppix user |
| 17:39.56 | simonrvn | exalted: yes. a jdk |
| 17:39.57 | gridline | exalted: there are many options you noot to choose a virtual machine |
| 17:40.14 | shamu | exalted: /msg dpkg java |
| 17:40.21 | exalted | PerfDave: i've installed free-java-sdk, but "javac" command gives me an error. |
| 17:40.25 | grendal_prime | anyone running xml on there apache server? |
| 17:40.31 | Iconsumed | when I log in it says my keyboardlayout in X and that in Gnome differs, so I have to choose... the Gnome one is correct (as is the XF86Config-4) but how do I get rid of the log in question |
| 17:40.32 | Iconsumed | ? |
| 17:40.36 | PerfDave | exalted: Ask #java about it then ;) |
| 17:40.39 | gridline | exalted: what error? |
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| 17:40.56 | feistel | hi |
| 17:40.59 | MirageGarage | why cant i startx or kde? |
| 17:41.03 | tuxy17 | why fedora is so bad ... why ... (my 2 cents thought) |
| 17:41.06 | exalted | gridline: let me write it a sec. |
| 17:41.12 | simonrvn | @vagueness |
| 17:41.16 | feistel | have Linux support for D865GLC SATA controller? |
| 17:41.16 | ricky_clarkson | MirageGarage: I don't know. |
| 17:41.21 | MirageGarage | lol |
| 17:41.24 | shamu | tail -F /var/log/XFree86.log.0 |
| 17:41.28 | simonrvn | !vagueness |
| 17:41.28 | dpkg | VAGUENESS CAUSES ACNE! |
| 17:41.32 | shamu | or more it |
| 17:41.32 | MirageGarage | lmao |
| 17:41.35 | Cyber_NY | mirage: what does it say? what system are u running? |
| 17:41.37 | ricky_clarkson | MirageGarage: Do you know? |
| 17:41.40 | stew | MirageGarage: did you install x or kde? |
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| 17:41.48 | MirageGarage | kde |
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| 17:41.58 | stew | MirageGarage: did you install x-window-system? |
| 17:42.00 | MirageGarage | ooh, hey stew |
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| 17:42.10 | Skaag | what's the name of the package for the module utilities for 2.6 kernels please? |
| 17:42.11 | MirageGarage | ermm.. lol donno. one sec. |
| 17:42.20 | ricky_clarkson | "MirageGarage: why cant i startx or kde?" |
| 17:42.25 | shamu | oops |
| 17:42.25 | ricky_clarkson | MirageGarage: You can. Type 'startx'. |
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| 17:42.32 | dvs | Skaag: module-init-tools |
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| 17:42.42 | exalted | gridline: "bash: javac: command not found" |
| 17:42.42 | MirageGarage | stew - nope ;p |
| 17:42.46 | Skaag | thanks dvs |
| 17:43.02 | simonrvn | @lart Seb_ |
| 17:43.02 | MirageGarage | aptin it raight now |
| 17:43.13 | simonrvn | @hi Seb_ |
| 17:43.16 | ravenbird | Many greetings, Seb_, most strange traveller, to this IRCdom of plenty. |
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| 17:43.28 | phanter | Somebody? After mounting my vfat partition i do not have rw access. I did enter the rw option in fstab |
| 17:43.40 | gridline | exalted: what does locate javac say? The problem is he can't mind the progrem |
| 17:43.50 | simonrvn | phanter: man mount |
| 17:44.07 | MirageGarage | ive never had an install that was so, ummm, not point and click.. sweet |
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| 17:44.59 | paulswm | The only decent point and click interface is made by Smith & Wesson |
| 17:45.18 | otje | hehe |
| 17:45.20 | MirageGarage | lol. What distro is that? |
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| 17:45.29 | shamu | ask dpkg about hardware |
| 17:45.31 | shamu | oops |
| 17:46.24 | Lorvija | lol paulswm :D |
| 17:46.31 | paulswm | :D |
| 17:46.52 | MirageGarage | you fellers suppose it would be hard to set up a mail server? |
| 17:47.05 | jakjak | its kinda wierd |
| 17:47.13 | exalted | gridline: it say's that my locate database is older than 8 days. |
| 17:47.14 | jakjak | almiost non traditional |
| 17:47.20 | shamu | can't be that hard |
| 17:47.31 | shamu | just load windows xp, don't patch it, and put it on the open internet |
| 17:47.37 | shamu | it'll be a mail server in 4 minutes |
| 17:48.16 | stew | MirageGarage: you are already running exim, dpkg-reconfigure exim |
| 17:48.19 | stew | !mail tutorial |
| 17:48.19 | dpkg | hmm... mail tutorial is at http://wooledge.org/~greg/mail.html |
| 17:48.21 | stew | MirageGarage: ^^ |
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| 17:48.38 | shamu | you want to receive mail, miragegarage? |
| 17:48.44 | MirageGarage | lol, yes |
| 17:49.00 | shamu | the best way to receive mail ... is to have someone else administer the mail server :-) |
| 17:49.20 | phanter | simonrvn: I did man mount, but it is not in there (or can't find it / do not get it). |
| 17:49.21 | MirageGarage | I meant to have a designated machine, to act as a mail serv. |
| 17:49.24 | emfpilot | checking to see if anyone has configured / installed a 3com home connect webcam on deb kernel 2.6.9? |
| 17:49.28 | MirageGarage | sorry |
| 17:49.46 | greycat | !mail tutorial |
| 17:49.46 | dpkg | extra, extra, read all about it, mail tutorial is at http://wooledge.org/~greg/mail.html |
| 17:49.56 | simonrvn | phanter: /FAT |
| 17:50.14 | MirageGarage | oooh, I know ill get my hands slapped for cussin, but. Anyone mange to get an IPAQ with windows mobile to sync? |
| 17:50.17 | MirageGarage | in linux |
| 17:50.39 | MirageGarage | cool, thaks grey |
| 17:50.42 | greycat | dpkg, wikifaq $1 is <action> Try http://www.linuks.mine.nu/debian-faq-wiki/$1 or if that doesn't work, http://www.linuks.mine.nu/debian-faq-wiki/ |
| 17:50.42 | dpkg | okay, greycat |
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| 17:51.58 | greycat | !wikifaq DotFiles |
| 17:52.12 | greycat | dpkg, CMD: wikifaq (.*?) =~ s/action/reply/ |
| 17:52.12 | MirageGarage | holy dien!!!! got kde up an runnin.. putt putt putt putt |
| 17:52.12 | dpkg | OK, greycat |
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| 17:52.45 | alexandros | hello everybody from greece |
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| 17:53.12 | thenuke | Hello |
| 17:53.20 | IRCMonkey | hello |
| 17:53.26 | IRCMonkey | and greetings from ireland |
| 17:53.41 | ricky_clarkson | "fuck you" from Manchester. |
| 17:53.45 | shamu | shouldn't that be 'EIRECMonkey' then? |
| 17:53.48 | phanter | Now I added the umask and dmask (which are described to be for fat and not for vfat) and remounted the disk. Still no user write permission |
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| 17:54.05 | IRCMonkey | thanks ricky |
| 17:54.14 | emfpilot | I didn't think so... |
| 17:54.14 | shamu | did you also mount it with the uid and gid set to you? |
| 17:54.19 | alexandros | all the gay are from mancester |
| 17:54.27 | Iconsumed | How do I change keyboardlayout for X? |
| 17:54.28 | greycat | !tell alexandros about gay |
| 17:54.37 | greycat | Iconsumed: /msg dpkg keymap |
| 17:54.45 | IRCMonkey | can any one help me with starting up with debian ? |
| 17:54.49 | gridline | <PROTECTED> |
| 17:54.56 | ricky_clarkson | alexandros: Eat shit. |
| 17:54.57 | phanter | shamu: no, but I 'll try that now |
| 17:55.05 | shamu | iconsumed, what desktop you running? |
| 17:55.17 | shamu | phanter -- ls -lat your mounted fat directory |
| 17:55.21 | dvs | ahhhh... world peace |
| 17:55.24 | shamu | ls -l your mounted fat directory |
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| 17:55.28 | alexandros | in your face MALAKA ricky clarks |
| 17:55.34 | greycat | ricky_clarkson: don't feed the trolls. |
| 17:55.44 | shamu | it should show you username and group .. if they're both root, then, well, you need to specify your uid and gid so they're readable by you |
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| 17:55.46 | IRCMonkey | spent hours dl the 7 cds, then installing answering millions of questions, now have a command prompt OS |
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| 17:55.54 | IRCMonkey | how do i get the gui up ? |
| 17:55.58 | penta | all the sudden pop its not working with evolution but it works with thunderbird does anybody know why and how to go about fixing it gives me error but thunderbird works fine |
| 17:55.59 | ricky_clarkson | alexandros: I know what that means, and that Greeks don't know many other words. |
| 17:55.59 | godsmoke | hah |
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| 17:56.03 | heidi | hi |
| 17:56.12 | greycat | IRCMonkey: startx |
| 17:56.14 | Empty | greycat, dpkg's "gay" def has 2 r's in "derogatory". Well, three, but two in a row where one is correct |
| 17:56.18 | digitaltemper | hello can someone help me get sound working ? when i run programs with sound i get errors like Reason: No available audio device, open /dev/[sound/]dsp: Permission denied |
| 17:56.20 | gridline | IRCMonkey: runtasksel ? |
| 17:56.24 | xai | dpkg-deb: failed to read archive `sendmail': No such file or directory |
| 17:56.35 | greycat | Empty: thanks. someone else modified it after me :( |
| 17:56.36 | xai | Is there a way to fix this in stable? |
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| 17:56.43 | greycat | dpkg, gay =~ s/derrog/derog/ |
| 17:56.43 | dpkg | OK, greycat |
| 17:56.48 | IRCMonkey | i run tasksel |
| 17:56.52 | IRCMonkey | yes, |
| 17:56.54 | heidi | hi greycat |
| 17:56.57 | IRCMonkey | and thanck cat i'll try it now |
| 17:56.58 | Iconsumed | shamu, Gnome... when I log in it says gnome and has different settings... gnome has the right one... |
| 17:57.02 | MirageGarage | umm, now i have another question. how do I specify my monitor, its set at 800x600 . |
| 17:57.04 | heidi | (racoontjes evil sister) |
| 17:57.07 | alexandros | it is an international word everybody know what MALAKAS means ricky |
| 17:57.16 | IRCMonkey | how do i make the comp load the GUI as soon as the comp starts |
| 17:57.18 | simonrvn | !gay |
| 17:57.18 | dpkg | It's OK to fantasize about men and to enjoy anal stimulation. It doesn't mean you're "gay". So stop projecting your insecurities onto others. Using this term as a derogatory adjective is very offensive to some, so do not use it as such. If you continue acting like a child, expect to be devoiced. |
| 17:57.41 | heidi | IRCMonkey: apt-get install xdm |
| 17:57.47 | shamu | IConsumed -- gnome's control center should let you pick a keyboard setup. IT may be under 'regional and accessability' or 'international' |
| 17:57.51 | alexandros | viva la milan ricky |
| 17:57.51 | heidi | also, please use correct terminology |
| 17:57.57 | heidi | GUI =! X |
| 17:58.19 | ricky_clarkson | GUI!=X would be more accurate. |
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| 17:58.30 | heidi | only if you code c++ |
| 17:58.33 | ricky_clarkson | !X is just the lack of X. |
| 17:58.33 | dpkg | ...but x is already something else... |
| 17:58.34 | greycat | heh |
| 17:58.36 | ricky_clarkson | Oops. |
| 17:58.46 | Iconsumed | shamu, done that... as I said gnome has the correct setup. as opposed to X |
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| 17:58.51 | appaji | ;) |
| 17:58.52 | shamu | oh ok |
| 17:58.53 | greycat | heidi: ricky_clarkson's even worse. he does java. |
| 17:58.53 | sussudio | hmm someone from greece talking about 'the gay' tells probably more about that person than he wants to tell us. |
| 17:59.02 | heidi | greycat: ehehejecckt |
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| 17:59.08 | ricky_clarkson | heidi: Or Java, Perl, C, PHP, JavaScript, to name but a few. |
| 17:59.15 | simonrvn | sussudio: usually |
| 17:59.15 | heidi | eeek! |
| 17:59.29 | hairy_potter | guys, can someone tell me where exactly in California is the 'Debian Shop' located? |
| 17:59.36 | ricky_clarkson | greycat: A HexCursePoxEvilSpell on you! |
| 17:59.44 | heidi | planning a raid, hairy_potter |
| 17:59.50 | hairy_potter | I'm planning to visit Sunnyvale in a few days, would like to buy debian goodies 0:-) |
| 17:59.52 | oZt | can't u use curses with c++? |
| 17:59.52 | Lorvija | hairy_potter just drive around and you'll find it in no time ;) |
| 17:59.53 | shamu | iconsumed - ok then -- gnome may be using the 'setxkbmap' command to set the keyboard layout. When kde does it, it shows you the setxkbmap command it's using, so you can call that command directly from the command line. Sorry, don't know the counterpart for gnome |
| 18:00.02 | heidi | oZt: sure you can |
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| 18:00.06 | SlayerXP | are people really still called Heidi? this is 2005 |
| 18:00.09 | ricky_clarkson | struct dumb by[sizeof(member)]; |
| 18:00.11 | shamu | come by mr potter, and I'll give you some of the oranges falling off my tree |
| 18:00.12 | ricky_clarkson | SlayerXP: Yes. |
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| 18:00.16 | SlayerXP | amazing |
| 18:00.19 | ricky_clarkson | SlayerXP: Heidi Klu:m |
| 18:00.22 | penta | does anybody use evolution 2.0.4 if so how can install on the debian |
| 18:00.24 | SlayerXP | who? |
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| 18:00.30 | ricky_clarkson | Google. Miss out the : |
| 18:00.30 | heidi | SlayerXP: please don't offend my sister |
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| 18:00.49 | ricky_clarkson | heidi: You are called Heidi, and so is your sister? Lots of imagination there I see |
| 18:00.52 | heidi | SlayerXP: she's hotter than anything you'll ever bang :» |
| 18:00.55 | heidi | well |
| 18:00.56 | xai | dpkg-deb: failed to read archive `sendmail': No such file or directory : trying to install postfix in stable.. |
| 18:00.58 | heidi | it's racoontje |
| 18:00.58 | bdunn | Hi everyone. Easy question. I just installed Woody and now I realize I should have installed Sarge. Can I easily upgrade this Woody install to Sarge? I didn't install XWindows or anything... just plain system. |
| 18:01.02 | heidi | this is heidis box |
| 18:01.05 | heidi | which im installing |
| 18:01.10 | SlayerXP | heidi: care to reform that in the form of a wager? |
| 18:01.11 | simonrvn | ah |
| 18:01.14 | sussudio | "heidis box" |
| 18:01.16 | kony | fortza milan ole |
| 18:01.17 | sussudio | :-| |
| 18:01.23 | appaji | bdunn: yes, just modify your /etc/apt/sources.list |
| 18:01.23 | Iconsumed | shamu, already got the right layout, but I have to choose X or gnome when I log in... |
| 18:01.24 | greycat | heidi: "hotter" is highly subjective. |
| 18:01.30 | dvs | bdunn: It is possible but it is better if you started from scratch |
| 18:01.36 | SlayerXP | heidi: http://photos.hinterlands.org/p6268802.html |
| 18:01.40 | simonrvn | bdunn: yes |
| 18:01.43 | dvs | bdunn: If you have nothing valuable in the computer yet |
| 18:01.46 | SlayerXP | that's my french fiancee |
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| 18:01.51 | ricky_clarkson | heidi: Even if I bang a hot exhaust pipe?!??1111///slashslashone? |
| 18:01.53 | simonrvn | ravenbird: woody->sarge |
| 18:01.53 | ravenbird | well, woody->sarge is edit /etc/apt/sources.list, changing all non-local mentions of "woody" or "stable" to "sarge", or "testing". testing *is* sarge currently.. Then "apt-get update" and "apt-get dselect-upgrade". |
| 18:01.54 | appaji | bdunn: and apt-get update followed by apt-get dist-upgrade |
| 18:01.58 | ulisse | hi all |
| 18:02.22 | bdunn | Okay... I'm new at this... do I just change the word "stable" to something else? |
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| 18:02.35 | xai | Why can't I remove sendmail in stable? |
| 18:02.35 | ricky_clarkson | SlayerXP: I know her. Is she still available from Tesco in a wooden frame? |
| 18:02.39 | Maulkin | SlayerXP: You puttinmg pr0n on Fotopic again? |
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| 18:02.50 | ulisse | I'm having a little trouble with Ubuntu, i'd like to know if it si the same on debian... sorry for the intrusion ;-) |
| 18:03.01 | Empty | xai: are you sure it is installed? |
| 18:03.01 | SlayerXP | Maulkin: not any more, not enough quota :) |
| 18:03.01 | digitaltemper | hello can someone help me get sound working ? when i run programs with sound i get errors like Reason: No available audio device, open /dev/[sound/]dsp: Permission denied |
| 18:03.19 | Maulkin | ulisse: Probably not. Try #ubuntu |
| 18:03.26 | dvs | digitaltemper: Add yourself to the audio group |
| 18:03.30 | greycat | xai: it's not installed by default. |
| 18:03.34 | Maulkin | SlayerXP: heh |
| 18:03.38 | shamu | what happens if you run the programs as root, and/or are the right sound modules loaded? |
| 18:03.40 | ricky_clarkson | dvs: You're talking rubbish. |
| 18:03.42 | ulisse | Maulkin, I tried, but got nothing useful... |
| 18:03.43 | digitaltemper | dvs: How do i do that? |
| 18:03.46 | heidi | SlayerXP: I still think I'm right :-) |
| 18:03.53 | nevyn | I gotta say kudos to the DI people I didn't have to configure anything :) |
| 18:03.56 | ricky_clarkson | dvs: woody->sarge is very well tested, and shouldn't be discouraged. |
| 18:04.02 | shamu | I installed this box about 5 days ago, and I was automatically added to the audio group when I just created a new user |
| 18:04.04 | SlayerXP | and now I have to go collect her from the train station |
| 18:04.04 | SlayerXP | & |
| 18:04.08 | Empty | xai: are you just seeing the "/usr/lib/sendmail" etc stuff? Those are typically symlinks to exim or your MTA of choice |
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| 18:04.35 | Maulkin | ulisse: Well, they're more likley to be able to help then we are I'm afraid. |
| 18:04.38 | heidi | why would you want a specific release codename in sources.list |
| 18:04.41 | xai | Empty: yes, its installed.. Trying to install postfix ovver it fails because sendmail can be removed.. |
| 18:04.42 | ricky_clarkson | heidi: You seem to find your own sister attractive. Please don't invite me to the Christening of your children. |
| 18:04.46 | dvs | digitaltemper: adduser `whoami` audio |
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| 18:04.51 | xai | Empty: error looks like this: |
| 18:04.56 | Empty | heidi: to avoid upgrading when "testing" becomes "stable" |
| 18:04.56 | greycat | heidi: so that you continue to run sarge after it's released, rather than following testing and getting etch |
| 18:04.58 | xai | dpkg-deb: failed to read archive `sendmail': No such file or directory |
| 18:05.07 | ulisse | Sometimes I loose some fstab enties in "Computer://" Gnome's folder... |
| 18:05.10 | Maulkin | heidi: Because when trhere's a release you won't automatically upgrade to the next one |
| 18:05.10 | shamu | digitaltemper -- type 'id' first and see if 'audio' shows up in groups |
| 18:05.30 | heidi | ricky_clarkson: There's a difference between judging someones beauty and instinctively wanting to hit it. |
| 18:05.34 | LuCkYaN | anyone have/know something about sqwebmail ? |
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| 18:05.52 | Empty | heidi, Perhaps for the females of the species ;) |
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| 18:06.02 | Maulkin | !anyone |
| 18:06.02 | dpkg | ***anyone: No such nick/channel - and yes, there probably is someone, somewhere, who knows or runs it; that doesn't mean *I* do. |
| 18:06.03 | heidi | damnit, openbox3 is err... really nice |
| 18:06.07 | ricky_clarkson | heidi: Yes, but it sounds like you don't know that difference. |
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| 18:06.11 | digitaltemper | shamu:then do i have to restart x? |
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| 18:06.36 | heidi | ricky_clarkson: of course, you have the power to know people after seeing about 15 typed lines from them. |
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| 18:07.10 | ricky_clarkson | heidi: Oh, didn't I explain? I'm your stalker. |
| 18:07.21 | Empty | xai: well, you can see it on " dpkg -l sendmail" then? |
| 18:07.25 | octavious | for some reason X is not regisetering Mod4 as being my "logo" keys, i ran dpkg-reconfigure x-windows-system, and tried to fix it, but it didn't work :\ |
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| 18:07.43 | digitaltemper | DVS,SHAMU thanks alot its now working perfectly |
| 18:07.48 | heidi | grow up |
| 18:07.48 | dvs | digitaltemper: np |
| 18:07.52 | heidi | brb, restarting x |
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| 18:08.02 | shamu | what was the problem, digitaltemper? |
| 18:08.03 | IRCMonkey | i cant startx |
| 18:08.15 | ricky_clarkson | IRCMonkey: Yes you can. Type 'startx'. |
| 18:08.16 | xai | Empty: yes..: ri sendmail 8.12.3-7.1 A ... |
| 18:08.23 | IRCMonkey | just did |
| 18:08.30 | IRCMonkey | and it told me it aint installed |
| 18:08.33 | ricky_clarkson | Install it. |
| 18:08.38 | IRCMonkey | though i definetly installed it |
| 18:08.40 | ricky_clarkson | What? |
| 18:08.43 | shamu | rehash? |
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| 18:08.52 | ricky_clarkson | You installed startx? |
| 18:09.03 | IRCMonkey | ani thought i did |
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| 18:09.10 | Empty | xai: hrm... well I do not know then |
| 18:09.12 | IRCMonkey | w8, i'll tell u the error msg |
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| 18:09.24 | Empty | !u |
| 18:09.24 | dpkg | It's YOU. Y-O-U. Not *U*. U is a letter. YOU is a word. See ne1, or wud. Dutch for 'you' (formal singular). See http://ars.userfriendly.org/cartoons/?id=20041201 |
| 18:09.27 | shamu | ircmonkey -- you sure you don't want to install xdm instead? |
| 18:09.30 | marrat | Hi! I need some help with keymapping. How could I use ctrl+alt == altgr? |
| 18:09.31 | simonrvn | !w8 |
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| 18:09.58 | ricky_clarkson | !w8 is <reply>Wait. I'll tell you in a minute. |
| 18:09.58 | dpkg | okay, ricky_clarkson |
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| 18:09.58 | heidi | openbox is rather stale |
| 18:10.09 | Empty | actually !u sounds like a pickup line in a script kiddy milk bar |
| 18:10.18 | simonrvn | Empty: heh |
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| 18:10.27 | IRCMonkey | unable to unwrap |
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| 18:10.32 | IRCMonkey | and user not authorised |
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| 18:10.47 | Empty | Maybe "!u/plz???!!!1!" |
| 18:11.03 | paulswm | Empty: + lol |
| 18:11.05 | digitaltemper | Shamu: I wasnt a member of the audio group i had to add myself. |
| 18:11.13 | simonrvn | LOLPLSSTFUKTHXBYEULUSERSLOL |
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| 18:11.34 | samuel | ok, anyone know what may be wrong? ive got pilot-link working properly, can list and do whatever with the files on the palm, BUT gnome-pilot isnt recognising the hotsync press... anybody plz? |
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| 18:11.47 | MirageGarage | hey, stew, are you still on? |
| 18:11.55 | simonrvn | greycat: heads up |
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| 18:12.17 | shamu | how very strange ... I thought new users were automatically added to audio -- oh well |
| 18:12.23 | ricky_clarkson | IRCMonkey: Maybe you're not allowed to startx as non-root. |
| 18:12.28 | marrat | Keymapping?? How could I use ctrl+alt == altgr on X? |
| 18:12.39 | simonrvn | dpkg-reconfigure xserver-common IIRC |
| 18:12.44 | xai | greycat: dpkg -l sendmail shows "ri".. Does that mean it tried to remove it? |
| 18:12.46 | Blissex | marrat: look at 'man setxkbmap' |
| 18:12.51 | simonrvn | for startx as non-root thing |
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| 18:12.58 | shamu | and man xmodmap |
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| 18:13.44 | Blissex | marrat: if you use KDE, the 'kxkb' control panel is a convenient frontend to 'setxkbmap' |
| 18:13.45 | heidi | I think we're missing a game somewhat similar to soldat |
| 18:13.48 | xai | I get this errors when I try to Purge sendmail: /etc/init.d/sendmail: ELF: command not found |
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| 18:14.03 | stew | MirageGarage: yes? |
| 18:14.23 | heidi | xai: it's trying to execute a binary as if it were a shell script |
| 18:14.37 | marrat | Blissex: thanks ... man-ing ;-) |
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| 18:15.02 | fabietto | I'm using a d-link dwl-dg630 wireless pcmcia adapter through ndiswrapper, but i can't set my wireless access point via iwconfig. Any suggest? |
| 18:15.04 | Blissex | marrat: be forewarned: the XKB story is deep and complex. |
| 18:15.13 | nevyn | XKB ewww... |
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| 18:15.37 | xai | heidi: how would I go about fixing that? |
| 18:15.53 | ricky_clarkson | xai: http://bugs.debian.org |
| 18:15.58 | marrat | Blissex: do you know how to change this with xkeycaps? |
| 18:16.24 | heidi | xai: wait a sec why are you purging sendmail |
| 18:16.28 | Blissex | marrat: sweet dreams... |
| 18:16.49 | heidi | ick |
| 18:17.12 | simonrvn | because s/he's clueless |
| 18:17.24 | heidi | IRCMonkey: actually said kthanks to me ;. |
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| 18:17.27 | xai | heidi: yes.. purging sendmail |
| 18:17.40 | IRCMonkey | :) |
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| 18:18.00 | IRCMonkey | whts wrong with kthanx |
| 18:18.01 | xai | heidi: i want to install postfix over it. |
| 18:18.07 | Blissex | marrat: BTW, I am slightly skeptical you can use C-A to do group shifting etc. Check 'kxkb', it is by far the easy way to see what can be done and how. |
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| 18:18.34 | marrat | Blissex: Thanks |
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| 18:18.45 | xai | heidi: maybe that is the problem. I know you cant remove sendmail.. |
| 18:19.04 | xai | heidi: when i try to install postfix I get this errors: Debian::DebConf::Client::ConfModule is deprecated, please use Debconf::Client::ConfModule instead. |
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| 18:19.12 | simonrvn | you can't remove mail-transport-agent without it taking out half the system |
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| 18:19.26 | heidi | xai: install postfix as a replacement MTA first |
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| 18:19.33 | heidi | that should get a bug filing |
| 18:19.40 | simonrvn | it'll auto-remove sendmail |
| 18:20.13 | xai | heidi: it wont allow me to do so: |
| 18:20.34 | xai | heidi: dpkg: error processing sendmail (--remove): |
| 18:20.34 | xai | <PROTECTED> |
| 18:20.55 | simonrvn | xai: install postfix *first* |
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| 18:21.01 | heidi | xai: probably because sendmail is on your system in a half broken state |
| 18:21.04 | heidi | reinstall sendmail first |
| 18:21.14 | simonrvn | oh yeh |
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| 18:21.17 | simonrvn | :) |
| 18:21.36 | xai | ok.. |
| 18:21.41 | heidi | who sez women dont know anything about technology ;) |
| 18:21.44 | heidi | oh wait im a guy |
| 18:21.46 | heidi | :P |
| 18:22.06 | simonrvn | @lart heidi |
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| 18:22.42 | heidi | @lart me |
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| 18:22.57 | heidi | @lart me |
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| 18:23.00 | heidi | bot abuse! |
| 18:23.03 | heidi | @lart me |
| 18:23.18 | heidi | @lart ravenbird |
| 18:23.28 | heidi | hah |
| 18:23.54 | heidi | brb kthx |
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| 18:24.35 | addNtoX | hi folkzzzz |
| 18:24.48 | tub | how small kernels you use in your everyday comps? after couple of hours of tweaking I got 1,4mt, yes and I know it's not very small |
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| 18:25.19 | nomed^ | hi |
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| 18:25.34 | simonrvn | tub: -rw-r--r-- 1 root root 5596909 2005-01-11 15:45 /boot/vmlinux-2.6.10-grsec *grin* |
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| 18:25.43 | nomed^ | is it possible to watch wmv 9 files? |
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| 18:26.25 | otje | tub: 1,4 mt? |
| 18:26.25 | simonrvn | yes |
| 18:26.28 | spenerc | is it possible to save outgoing mails in exim4 to a Maildir for a mailinglist? someone has a good link? |
| 18:26.32 | tub | otje: yes, and simonrvn: quite huge |
| 18:26.32 | addNtoX | does anybody know what to do when firefox crashes when composite is enabled in xorg.conf? |
| 18:26.46 | otje | well i don't know the unit 'mt' |
| 18:26.53 | stew | addNtoX: we don't support xorg here |
| 18:26.57 | simonrvn | MB i think ;) |
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| 18:27.05 | tub | MB of course |
| 18:27.22 | otje | well 1.4 MB looks kind of small to me |
| 18:27.26 | addNtoX | stew: ....see it as firefox-support :) |
| 18:27.30 | tub | In my country (finland ) we say MB = Mt |
| 18:27.39 | stew | addNtoX: sorry, if you are running xorg you are on your own |
| 18:27.46 | simonrvn | addNtoX: see it as not in this channel |
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| 18:28.04 | simonrvn | tub: what's the t for? |
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| 18:28.39 | addNtoX | hm but there are so many people in this room, perhaps one of them runs xorg&firefox too and has already solved the problem |
| 18:28.56 | simonrvn | addNtoX: no, even if someone did, they don't |
| 18:28.59 | lord_rob | Hi ! I have a problem with mozilla thunderbird / sid : when I select multiple files (using CTRL+DOWN_ARROW) then I press ENTER, it segfaults. The problem is : when I want to reportbug mozilla-thunderbird, reportbug says mozilla-thunderbird is not in a consistent state. Do anyone have the same problem, or is it just me ? |
| 18:29.04 | timo | simonrvn, the t is for "tavu" |
| 18:29.09 | leonel | Sarge ! Where Are You ? Come out Come out wherever you are ! |
| 18:29.11 | LuCkYaN | anyone have/know something about sqwebmail ?? |
| 18:29.13 | simonrvn | timo: ah, thanks |
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| 18:29.19 | nomed^ | addNtoX: i try enabling composite |
| 18:29.33 | lzsilva | leonel: lol |
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| 18:29.44 | addNtoX | nomed^: does firefox crash when you have composite enabled? |
| 18:29.57 | IRCMonkey | can any one help me get started ? |
| 18:30.08 | IRCMonkey | i cant seem to get the graphical interface up |
| 18:30.15 | ricky_clarkson | IRCMonkey: Install x-window-system |
| 18:30.16 | IRCMonkey | all iam getting is a command prompt |
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| 18:30.27 | IRCMonkey | how do i do that ricky ? |
| 18:30.34 | ricky_clarkson | IRCMonkey: apt-get install x-window-system |
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| 18:30.40 | IRCMonkey | k |
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| 18:30.46 | tub | simonrvn: t means just what byte means in finnish, "tavu" |
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| 18:30.53 | LuCkYaN | Not Found |
| 18:30.53 | LuCkYaN | The requested URL /en-us/[ was not found on this server. |
| 18:30.59 | simonrvn | "i'm so lost, all i have is a shell. LOL KTHX!" |
| 18:31.02 | LuCkYaN | on sqwebmail .. anyone know why ? |
| 18:31.07 | tub | simonrvn: oh, you got the answer already |
| 18:31.16 | simonrvn | tub: thanks |
| 18:31.17 | ricky_clarkson | LuCkYaN: http://bugs.debian.org/sqwebmail |
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| 18:31.33 | nomed^ | addNtoX: no |
| 18:31.52 | addNtoX | nomed^: can you try this site : http://www.heise.de/newsticker/meldung/56680 |
| 18:31.53 | tub | damn this tab addition makes you dependent of it. Now I try to use it to fill the sentences but even IT can't read my thoughs.. |
| 18:32.06 | IRCMonkey | rickry, i have no permission |
| 18:32.09 | IRCMonkey | saying i am not root |
| 18:32.15 | IRCMonkey | how do i get in to root ?> |
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| 18:32.23 | tub | IRCMonkey: su root |
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| 18:32.36 | addNtoX | on my box it crashed on this site (also on others but i don't remember them) |
| 18:32.36 | stew | LuCkYaN: en-us should be in /usr/lib/courier/sqwebmail/html |
| 18:32.37 | xai | I tracked it down to some bogus stuff in /etc/init.d/sendmail.. I just commented outthe offending lines and was able to install postfix.. Thanks. |
| 18:33.01 | Klicker | can someone with Internet explorer chech one Apache error please. Private message me. |
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| 18:33.33 | EdibleText | tub tab thought-completion could be embarrassing :) |
| 18:33.33 | abrotman | ruh-roh .. it's rickry!! |
| 18:33.33 | nomed^ | addNtoX: it's workin' |
| 18:33.33 | addNtoX | hm, ok thank you |
| 18:33.33 | abrotman | Klicker: ask here .. or try #web(#www .. whatever it is) |
| 18:34.05 | simonrvn | EdibleText: not if you're in the same room with the person, and know them well ;) |
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| 18:34.11 | abrotman | Klicker: do NOT /msg me |
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| 18:34.24 | LuCkYaN | stew, yes ... and i create an virtualdomain : DocumentRoot /usr/lib/courier/sqwebmail/html/en-us |
| 18:34.27 | IRCMonkey | went root |
| 18:34.30 | abrotman | Klicker: either ask the entire channel .. or go to #web and ask them |
| 18:34.35 | IRCMonkey | but still cant run statx |
| 18:34.35 | LuCkYaN | stew, and give me that error |
| 18:34.36 | nomed^ | is it possible play wmv 9 under linux? does someone know? |
| 18:34.52 | abrotman | Klicker: do NOT /msg me |
| 18:34.54 | IRCMonkey | so i went : apt-get install x-window-system |
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| 18:35.06 | IRCMonkey | and it installed ok (infact not doing much) |
| 18:35.11 | stew | LuCkYaN: if the document root includes the en-us then certainly /en-us would be 404, since that wouldc be looking in ...html/en-us/en-us |
| 18:35.14 | digitaltemper | nomed^: doesnt Mplayer play wmv? |
| 18:35.18 | IRCMonkey | then startx |
| 18:35.21 | MirageGarage | anyone know how to change video settings in kde? its all greek |
| 18:35.26 | schizoschaf | m$ is trying to patent the basic operator 'IsNot' :/ will there be a fee on saying 'GNU is not Unix'? |
| 18:35.29 | IRCMonkey | : fatal error no screen found |
| 18:35.38 | abrotman | MirageGarage: #debian-kde |
| 18:35.40 | stew | MirageGarage: dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xfree86 |
| 18:35.49 | nomed^ | digitaltemper: i can play just wmv 7 |
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| 18:35.55 | MirageGarage | wellokie |
| 18:36.05 | digitaltemper | nomed^ |
| 18:36.09 | digitaltemper | im not sure then |
| 18:36.20 | CarlosAlex | Hi, I came back |
| 18:36.28 | LuCkYaN | stew, so i have to put there : DocumentRoot /usr/lib/courier/sqwebmail/html/ ?? |
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| 18:36.46 | IRCMonkey | flip me, |
| 18:36.50 | CarlosAlex | I need to install the sound card now. This is not essential but, if works it good to listen musics |
| 18:36.51 | IRCMonkey | that aint working |
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| 18:36.54 | CarlosAlex | lol |
| 18:36.54 | IRCMonkey | thanks all |
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| 18:37.06 | LuCkYaN | stew, i put that .... and show me dir 'en-us' ... and if i click on dir 'en-us' again show me that error |
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| 18:37.10 | MirageGarage | alright, now wehere do i go for settings? |
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| 18:37.21 | abrotman | what settings? |
| 18:37.34 | CarlosAlex | I had installed alsa |
| 18:37.37 | abrotman | !portuguese |
| 18:37.37 | dpkg | i heard portuguese is the most beautiful idiom of the world, or #debian-br, or por favor use #debian-br para ajuda em portugues. |
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| 18:39.08 | stew | LuCkYaN: i dunno, did you read the docs in /usr/share/doc/sqwebmail? |
| 18:39.14 | gboutwell | is there an apt or dpkg command to verify the binary installed on the system with the binary in the package that's freshly downloaded? |
| 18:39.29 | LuCkYaN | stew, yes and don't tell me nothing :( |
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| 18:39.42 | abrotman | !double negative |
| 18:39.45 | LuCkYaN | stew, and i don't find HOW-to on web |
| 18:39.55 | greycat | gboutwell: debsums |
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| 18:40.20 | gboutwell | graycat ty, I'll go dig into that. |
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| 18:40.48 | dvs | CarlosAlex: What exactly is the problem? |
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| 18:43.13 | CarlosAlex | No card is found |
| 18:43.26 | dvs | CarlosAlex: What driver did you install? |
| 18:43.28 | CarlosAlex | Im going to check in BIOS, I be back |
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| 18:43.40 | greycat | *wow*. |
| 18:43.45 | dvs | ??? |
| 18:44.14 | RRT | How do you provide peerguardian protection in debian? |
| 18:44.43 | greycat | is that some sort of windows product? |
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| 18:45.22 | greycat | Google sayeth "A lightweight IP blocker to stop rogue connections.". Try "man iptables". |
| 18:45.23 | stew | LuCkYaN: iirc sqwebmail is a cgi-bin that you need to redirect to from the webroot, but i haven't run it in a while |
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| 18:45.35 | RRT | p2p url filtering. there is a linux version available but won't work in my debian. wondering about dansguardian too |
| 18:45.40 | stew | LuCkYaN: you might wanna file a bug against the documentation if there are no clues in /usr/share/doc/ |
| 18:46.14 | abli | Hi! I am getting socket errors from fetchmail, so I figured I should set mtu and mru to 552 from the current 1492 setting. However, after editing /etc/ppp/options and /etc/ppp/peers/dsl-provider the mtu setting is still the default (1492) one. What other configfile do I have to edit? |
| 18:46.19 | joaopaulo | i have update my kernel 2.4 to 2.6 and modconf don't show no one module, i already have installed module-init-tools, somebody can help ? |
| 18:46.32 | greycat | you set mtu to *552*?? |
| 18:46.45 | RRT | blocklists available to block connections from corps and groups apposed to file sharing. |
| 18:46.46 | abli | Not yet, I'm trying :) |
| 18:47.06 | abli | That was the recomended setting in the fetchmail faq I found. Is it wrong? |
| 18:47.16 | greycat | it sounds very wrong to me. |
| 18:47.19 | abli | (I am using an ADSL line btw.) |
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| 18:47.58 | jetscreamer | 1492 seems to be the adsl default, all i know |
| 18:48.06 | abli | I found that setting in http://lists.debian.org/debian-user/2000/12/msg04594.html |
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| 18:48.24 | greycat | I've got my ADSL tun0 connection at MTU 1492 on my openbsd router/gateway. |
| 18:48.30 | fabietto | I'm using a d-link dwl-dg630 wireless pcmcia adapter through ndiswrapper, but i can't set my wireless access point via iwconfig. Any suggest? |
| 18:48.39 | abli | yeah, thats the default |
| 18:48.41 | dvs | greycat: You're asking us a question?!? |
| 18:48.46 | greycat | dvs: on |
| 18:48.49 | greycat | dvs: no |
| 18:48.57 | greycat | not at the moment, anyway. |
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| 18:49.07 | CarlosAlex | I came back |
| 18:49.19 | CarlosAlex | Theres no sound card detected by sarge |
| 18:49.24 | CarlosAlex | I installed ALSA |
| 18:49.29 | CarlosAlex | do driver found |
| 18:49.32 | greycat | CarlosAlex: does lspci see it? |
| 18:49.36 | CarlosAlex | sorry, no card found |
| 18:49.41 | dvs | CarlosAlex: lspci | grep audio |
| 18:49.45 | abli | ok, but I have fetchmail dieing with socket errors, and my mail isn't getting downloaded. |
| 18:49.51 | CarlosAlex | YEs |
| 18:49.56 | CarlosAlex | Its AC97 |
| 18:49.58 | abli | Do I have another way to debug such socket errors? |
| 18:50.00 | dvs | CarlosAlex: lspci | grep audio |
| 18:50.01 | greycat | !ac97 |
| 18:50.01 | dpkg | There's no universal driver for every single motherboard that uses ac97 audio. ac97 is just the codec, you need a driver for your audio chip. For OSS, this is usually either i810_audio or via82cxxx_audio; for ALSA, it's usually one of snd-intel8x0 (see also <intel8x0>), snd-au8810 or snd-via82xx. Use lspci to check. |
| 18:50.18 | CarlosAlex | 0000:00:11.5 Multimedia audio controller: VIA Technologies, Inc. VT8233/A/8235/8237 AC97 Audio Controller (rev 60) |
| 18:50.25 | abli | Or, where do I really set the mtu size just to try whether thats the problem? |
| 18:50.26 | fabietto | uh... for ali m5451 instead? |
| 18:50.30 | greycat | sounds like a snd-via82xx to m e. |
| 18:50.35 | dvs | CarlosAlex: modprobe and-via82xx |
| 18:50.38 | dvs | CarlosAlex: modprobe snd-via82xx |
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| 18:50.59 | CarlosAlex | modprobe: Can't locate module snd-via82xx |
| 18:51.07 | CarlosAlex | Then I will need to download it ? |
| 18:51.10 | dvs | CarlosAlex: Then you dont have ALSA installed |
| 18:51.18 | stew | CarlosAlex: what does uname -r say? |
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| 18:52.12 | CarlosAlex | alsa its not loaded |
| 18:52.26 | dvs | CarlosAlex: But you said you installed it |
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| 18:52.27 | stew | thats what i was waiting for... |
| 18:52.29 | CarlosAlex | Im using 2.4.27 kernel speakup |
| 18:52.41 | CarlosAlex | Its installed, But Its not loaded |
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| 18:52.49 | dvs | CarlosAlex: apt-get install alsa-modules-$(uname -r) |
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| 18:53.10 | greycat | CarlosAlex: a.... *custom* 2.4.27?? |
| 18:53.16 | greycat | CarlosAlex: what does uname -r ACTUALLY say? |
| 18:53.18 | CarlosAlex | E: Couldn't find package alsa-modules-2.4.27-speakup |
| 18:53.22 | dvs | CarlosAlex: If it was installed then modprobe snd-via82xx would have worked. |
| 18:53.26 | greycat | wtf is -speakup? |
| 18:53.32 | greycat | !listkeys speakup |
| 18:53.33 | dpkg | Factoid search of 'speakup' by key (1 shown): speakup. |
| 18:53.41 | stew | !speakup |
| 18:53.42 | dpkg | a set of kernel modules for linux that enables blind people to work at the linux console directly. see http://linux-speakup.org for detales. |
| 18:53.53 | greycat | so it's a custom kernel? |
| 18:54.03 | CarlosAlex | matrix:/home/sander# uname -r |
| 18:54.04 | CarlosAlex | 2.4.27-speakup |
| 18:54.12 | greycat | did you build that kernel yourself? |
| 18:54.18 | CarlosAlex | No |
| 18:54.20 | stew | CarlosAlex: how did you install that kernel? |
| 18:54.22 | greycat | who built it? |
| 18:54.28 | CarlosAlex | usind CD |
| 18:54.30 | CarlosAlex | only |
| 18:54.31 | greycat | WHAT cd? |
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| 18:55.13 | CarlosAlex | I downloaded CD from website |
| 18:55.13 | CarlosAlex | and used it |
| 18:55.13 | greycat | WHAT website? |
| 18:55.19 | stew | ohh, the cd from the website... |
| 18:55.24 | greycat | If you have a problem with Knoppix, Ubuntu, Mepis, Kurumin, or any other non-Debian distribution of Linux, don't even bother asking it on #debian. Please just save us the time and effort of dragging the confession out of you and then kick-banning you, by not asking in the first place. |
| 18:55.26 | stew | from the net thingy |
| 18:55.29 | ricky_clarkson | greycat: 'the' website, obviously. |
| 18:55.30 | dvs | stew: yes, THE website |
| 18:55.38 | CarlosAlex | http://ftp.acc.umu.se/pub/cd-images/debian-weekly/i386/sarge-i386-1.iso |
| 18:55.48 | greycat | !find speakup sarge |
| 18:55.50 | dpkg | Debian Package Listing of 'speakup' (4 shown): kernel-doc-2.4.27-speakup ;; kernel-headers-2.4.27-speakup ;; kernel-image-2.4.27-speakup ;; kernel-patch-speakup. |
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| 18:56.03 | greycat | CarlosAlex: what command did you TYPE to get that kernel? |
| 18:56.14 | stew | CarlosAlex: are you using the "speakup" modules? |
| 18:56.15 | greycat | and why didn't "apt-get install kernel-headers-2.4.27-speakup" work for you? |
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| 18:56.40 | greycat | oh wait, it wasn't headers you wanted, it was alsa modules. |
| 18:56.50 | greycat | you may have to build them yourself using the kernel-headers-$(uname -r) and module-assistant. |
| 18:56.58 | CarlosAlex | I guess its not in module mode |
| 18:57.13 | stew | uhh |
| 18:57.15 | greycat | CarlosAlex: get module-assistant and the alsa sources and build your own alsa modules. |
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| 18:57.18 | abli | Any ideas where should I set mtu and mru sizes? |
| 18:57.22 | dipnlik | hi all. i installed flash player on firefox but it doesn't show some texts, like the notes (and many other texts) on photos on flickr and even the text from the config menu. any ideas on how to fix this? |
| 18:57.29 | poptix | hmm |
| 18:57.30 | directhex | module assistant will get the headers and sources for you |
| 18:57.31 | greycat | abli: when in doubt, use an 'up' command in interfaces(5) |
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| 18:57.42 | greycat | directhex: oh, ok. |
| 18:57.43 | Iconsumed | how do I do if I want to rebind "alt gr" to "/"? |
| 18:57.43 | poptix | debians sendmail package sucks |
| 18:57.57 | CarlosAlex | First I must install the headers, after that, I sould build alsa modules ? |
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| 18:58.02 | abli | greycat, ok, I'll try that |
| 18:58.23 | dvs | CarlosAlex: and install module-assistant |
| 18:58.35 | jstevens | will a kernel patch for 2.6.10 work *correctly* on 2.6.8 (what I;m looking for doesn't list a patch for 2.6.8 |
| 18:58.44 | greycat | jstevens: not necessarily. |
| 18:58.44 | dvs | jstevens: no |
| 18:58.51 | jstevens | damn... |
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| 18:59.09 | directhex | CarlosAlex, apt-get install module-assistant && m-a a-i alsa-modules. that should work |
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| 18:59.27 | jstevens | is there a software-suspend patch for the 2.6.8 kernel anywhere? |
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| 18:59.43 | delHorno | hi all |
| 18:59.56 | delHorno | i think my bios temperature sensor works bad. |
| 19:00.04 | delHorno | is there any way to know the real temp? |
| 19:00.22 | greycat | stick a thermometer in it... |
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| 19:01.42 | delHorno | mmm |
| 19:02.07 | RichiH | greycat: that's a stupid idea |
| 19:02.10 | jstevens | nvm... found it. |
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| 19:02.25 | RichiH | greycat: everybody knows you can only measure temps correctly with your tongue! |
| 19:02.37 | RichiH | you need to lick your equipment |
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| 19:02.52 | greycat | I thought that was how you checked voltages |
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| 19:03.36 | jstevens | graytron, dvs: will a patch that says it's for 2.6.8.1 work on 2.6.8-2 ? |
| 19:03.38 | RichiH | greycat: you do that with your eyelids or your crotch. geeze, you don't know the first thing about hardware.. |
| 19:03.45 | greycat | jstevens: it might. |
| 19:03.48 | directhex | jstevens, maybe. |
| 19:03.57 | directhex | jstevens, depends what it patches |
| 19:04.36 | greycat | abrotman: ..... is this a temperature-reading test? |
| 19:04.48 | jstevens | greycat: Sorry :-( |
| 19:04.50 | abrotman | greycat: you about up to boil yet? |
| 19:04.53 | stew | jstevens: why not patch your 2.6.8-1 to 2.6.8-2 first? |
| 19:05.15 | stew | jstevens: and you can (should?) always do a --dry-run first |
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| 19:05.36 | jstevens | stew: actually, I've upgraded to 2.6.8-2... now what I'm trying to do is add the software-suspend package to the 2.6.8-2 kernel |
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| 19:05.51 | greycat | stew: 2.6.8.1 is not the same as 2.6.8-1 |
| 19:05.58 | greycat | 2.6.8.1 is an UPSTREAM kernel version. |
| 19:06.01 | jstevens | stew: wh/ requires patching it onto the kernel |
| 19:06.04 | greycat | 2.6.8-1-386 is a DEBIAN kernel version. |
| 19:06.23 | stew | oh i missed the .1 |
| 19:06.48 | greycat | however, the DEBIAN 2.6.8-*-*86 kernels are actually patched 2.6.8.1 kernels. |
| 19:07.01 | jstevens | greycat: really... didn't know that. so does that mean that'd I'd be better off using the patch that says it's for "software-suspend-2.0.0.103-for-2.6.8-rc3-mm1.tar.bz2 " ? |
| 19:07.09 | greycat | so the chances of a patch for UPSTREAM 2.6.8.1 working on DEBIAN 2.6.8-* are actually not that bad. |
| 19:07.39 | jstevens | aah :-) |
| 19:07.50 | xai | Im getting some wierd dependency problems: Sorry, but the following packages have unmet dependencies: |
| 19:07.50 | xai | <PROTECTED> |
| 19:07.50 | xai | <PROTECTED> |
| 19:07.56 | stew | lastlog -clear |
| 19:07.59 | stew | err |
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| 19:08.42 | jstevens | alright.. well I'll *try* the one for 2.6.8.1 ... worst thing that'll happen is it won't complie, right? |
| 19:09.02 | directhex | jstevens, it will tell you if the patch won't patch |
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| 19:09.10 | stew | jstevens: try a --dry-run first |
| 19:09.10 | jstevens | directhex, cool. |
| 19:09.24 | abrotman | poptix: no way .. i got one fixed once :) |
| 19:09.28 | stew | xai: what version of debian? |
| 19:09.32 | xai | stew: stable.. |
| 19:09.45 | stew | !depends apache-perl |
| 19:09.45 | abrotman | xai: mixed with what? |
| 19:09.47 | dpkg | apache-perl: depends on libc6 (>= 2.3.2.ds1-4), libdb4.2, libexpat1 (>= 1.95.8), libperl5.8 (>= 5.8.4), mime-support, apache-common (>= 1.3.33-4), apache-common (<< 1.3.34-0), libapache-mod-perl (>= 1.29.0.2-9), libapache-mod-perl (<< 1.30), debconf, dpkg (>> 1.9.0), libmagic1, logrotate (>= 3.5.4-1) |
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| 19:09.52 | greycat | xai: didn't you have OTHER errors a couple hours ago? |
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| 19:09.58 | abrotman | stew: wrong |
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| 19:10.01 | greycat | xai: I suspect you're overlooking the ROOT of your problems. |
| 19:10.02 | Inv_arp | ok setup all that needs for ppp in /etc/ppp/ blah now how do i start dialing to connect to isp?... |
| 19:10.04 | abrotman | !depends apache-perl stable |
| 19:10.04 | stew | !depends apache-perl stable |
| 19:10.06 | dpkg | apache-perl: depends on libc6 (>= 2.2.4-4), libdb2 (>= 2:2.7.7.0-7), libperl5.6 (>= 5.6.1-7), mime-support, apache-common (>= 1.3.26), apache-common (<< 1.3.27), libapache-mod-perl (>= 1.26), libapache-mod-perl (<< 1.27), debconf, dpkg (>> 1.9.0) |
| 19:10.10 | stew | doh |
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| 19:10.18 | stew | !info libapache-mod-perl stable |
| 19:10.21 | dpkg | libapache-mod-perl: (Integration of perl with the Apache web server), section web, is optional. Version: 1.26-3.0woody1 (woody), Packaged size: 374 kB, Installed size: 1056 kB |
| 19:10.37 | xai | greycat: yes, i had some other problems.. Mixed with i'm not sure yet.. I saw some testing entries in sources.list. |
| 19:10.43 | greycat | !bobbitt |
| 19:10.43 | dpkg | Remember Lorena Bobbitt? Remember what she did to her husband's woody? Well, when you install unstable software on your stable woody system, you get the same result. |
| 19:11.35 | vircuser | you fix it by looking in the grass? |
| 19:11.43 | xai | greycat: ok.. i inherited this problem, didnt create it. |
| 19:11.53 | dipnlik | hi all. i installed flash player on firefox but it doesn't show some texts, like the notes (and many other texts) on photos on flickr and even the text from the config menu. any ideas on how to fix this? |
| 19:12.04 | De_Mon | xai format and reinstall |
| 19:12.11 | De_Mon | oh sorry forgot which channel I was in |
| 19:12.20 | resiak | dipnlik: If you find out, please /msg me and tell me how. I'd love to know. |
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| 19:12.28 | manas | trying to use a microcontroller programmer which requires access to parellel port. I have libieee1284 installed, parport and parport_pc loaded, and ppdev loaded. However my programmer says it cannot claim /dev/parport0, which is a link to /dev/par0. I run the programmer as root. Everytime this error occurs, lp gets loaded. Then I remove it manually. Help? |
| 19:13.19 | greycat | De_Mon: yeah, dummy! it should be "back up your data, then format and reinstall"! |
| 19:13.23 | greycat | ;-) |
| 19:13.27 | xai | greycat: is there a possible fix that doens't require reinstall? |
| 19:14.04 | De_Mon | lol |
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| 19:14.59 | manas | and one more thing: it works on knoppix + linux 2.4, refuses to work on sarge + linux 2.4 |
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| 19:15.21 | greycat | manas: /msg dpkg blacklist |
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| 19:15.53 | zaikxtox | hello. i have run apt-setup, but it searches the testing mirrors, and i wanna unstable |
| 19:16.01 | zaikxtox | where does i change that? |
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| 19:16.27 | dvs | zaikxtox: Change it to unstable after apt-setup is done. |
| 19:16.41 | zaikxtox | dvs, no, because some mirrors dont have unstable |
| 19:17.01 | dvs | zaikxtox: Then pick the ones that do. |
| 19:17.11 | manas | greycat: why? |
| 19:17.38 | greycat | manas: you want to prevent lp being loaded, yes? |
| 19:17.40 | zaikxtox | dvs, is not a real solution to the apt-setup problem |
| 19:17.46 | xam | dvs: clearly if he hasn't figured out how to install/use unstable, he is not ready for it yet |
| 19:17.52 | manas | greycat: yes |
| 19:17.58 | dvs | xam: that's true |
| 19:17.59 | zaikxtox | is there some way to tell apt-setup to use unstable instead of testing? |
| 19:18.09 | paulswm | zaikxtox: you can always edit /etc/apt/sources.list |
| 19:18.16 | De_Mon | why is the k in knoppix silent? |
| 19:18.30 | dvs | De_Mon: I don't know |
| 19:18.34 | Delph | because thats how the language works. |
| 19:18.39 | zaikxtox | yes. but damn! i dont want to vim /etc/apt/sources.list each time i try a new mirror |
| 19:18.40 | greycat | zaikxtox: if you can't handle "editor sources.list" you have NO business running unstable. |
| 19:18.47 | manas | sarge is on 2.6 not 2.4 |
| 19:18.48 | zaikxtox | and then do apt-get udpate and all dat |
| 19:18.57 | greycat | manas: only because you chose 2.6. |
| 19:19.19 | xai | greycat: would upgrading to testing be an option? |
| 19:19.19 | paulswm | zaikxtox: but I wouldn't recommend unstable for everyday use, as things are certain to break from time to time |
| 19:19.29 | greycat | xai: possibly. |
| 19:19.34 | manas | greycat: yes, I know. but when I remove lp by hand, it autoloads when I run the program. Is that expected? |
| 19:19.42 | zaikxtox | paulswm, i have been using unstable for 4 years. it works pretty good. |
| 19:19.42 | greycat | manas: /msg dpkg blacklist |
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| 19:20.01 | jstevens | greycat: I think it worked... "Applying 20-software-suspend-linux-2.6.8.1-rev1-whole ... Applying 21-software-suspend-linux-2.6.8.1-rev2-incremental ... Applying 21-software-suspend-linux-2.6.8.1-rev3-incremental ... Applying 30-software-suspend-core-2.0.0.104-whole ... Applying 31-software-suspend-core-2.0.0.105-incremental ... All happy! GraniteLinux:/usr/src/linux# " |
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| 19:20.03 | zaikxtox | paulswm, and has all that cool new features one expect to have! |
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| 19:20.23 | paulswm | !sid |
| 19:20.23 | dpkg | sid is probably the unstable version of Debian. Commonly [and wrongly] backronymed Still In Development. It's actually named for the destructive neighbour kid in Toy Story. Ask me about unstable. Do not use sid unless you have the skill to find your way out of the mess that broken packages may put you in. |
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| 19:20.39 | zaikxtox | but fine, then, nobody can tell simply "no, i dont know how to make apt-setup use unstable instead of testing" ? |
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| 19:21.01 | zaikxtox | this channel is getting rot. goodbye! |
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| 19:21.24 | dvs | good luck |
| 19:21.28 | valdyn | !fuck zaiktxtox |
| 19:21.29 | paulswm | and good riddance |
| 19:21.30 | try_catch_this | omg |
| 19:21.31 | try_catch_this | poon bots |
| 19:21.38 | try_catch_this | p0rn* |
| 19:21.43 | greycat | one less rot in the channel. |
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| 19:22.17 | xam | greycat yes, it stinks less already |
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| 19:22.24 | gigabytes | hi |
| 19:22.45 | gigabytes | does the 2.4.18 kernel of debian woody support Serial ATA disks?? |
| 19:22.56 | valdyn | gigabytes: no |
| 19:22.58 | greycat | gigabytes: no |
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| 19:23.18 | gigabytes | uhm |
| 19:23.19 | jetscreamer | gee i'd guess no |
| 19:23.26 | gigabytes | how can I install woody on a serial ata disk? |
| 19:23.34 | De_Mon | dpkg comes softly, funny. |
| 19:23.34 | dpkg | De_Mon: i haven't a clue |
| 19:23.42 | jetscreamer | server eh |
| 19:23.44 | greycat | gigabytes: build a custom ISO with a custom kernel that supports your hardware |
| 19:23.54 | greycat | !roll your own iso |
| 19:23.54 | dpkg | i heard roll your own iso is http://oregonstate.edu/~kveton/debian/ |
| 19:24.17 | gigabytes | thanks |
| 19:24.23 | inc|freaky | hi all. i installed debian yesterday, but when it tries to load X, my monitor just displays something like: "frequencies not supported" ... i dont have the manual of the monitor. I got a Acer AL707 ... does anybody have this monitor and could u give me your XFree86.conf or xorg.conf or whatever? |
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| 19:24.42 | inc|freaky | because i dont know how i can fix that :( |
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| 19:24.57 | dvs | inc|freaky: google it |
| 19:25.11 | gigabytes | greycat, that link is broken |
| 19:25.30 | jetscreamer | monitorworld.com |
| 19:25.37 | directhex | hilux might help |
| 19:25.40 | inc|freaky | is frequencies spelled correctly? |
| 19:25.49 | dvs | inc|freaky: yes |
| 19:25.50 | jetscreamer | seems to be |
| 19:25.54 | inc|freaky | ok, thx :D |
| 19:25.54 | directhex | but, much as greycat might stab me in the eyes for saying it, you really want 2.6 for serial ata |
| 19:26.18 | jetscreamer | just go sarge and keep up with security updates manually |
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| 19:27.06 | greycat | dpkg, roll your own iso =~ s#debian/#debian/ which moved to: http://wiki.osuosl.org/display/LNX/Debian+on+Dell+Servers# |
| 19:27.06 | dpkg | OK, greycat |
| 19:27.10 | greycat | !roll your own iso |
| 19:27.10 | dpkg | somebody said roll your own iso was http://oregonstate.edu/~kveton/debian/ which moved to: http://wiki.osuosl.org/display/LNX/Debian+on+Dell+Servers |
| 19:27.26 | greycat | it's hardly BROKEN when it gives you a nice refresh URL that you can "click" on. |
| 19:27.40 | jetscreamer | just use medium when you dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xfree86 |
| 19:28.05 | jetscreamer | inclfreaky^^ |
| 19:28.23 | jetscreamer | err inc|freaky |
| 19:28.30 | zarchne | dpkg, installed? |
| 19:28.30 | dpkg | To list installed packages, COLS=200 dpkg -l |grep ^ii|awk '{print $2}'; man dpkg; man grep; man awk; |
| 19:28.45 | zarchne | dpkg, I think you mean "COLUMNS", not "COLS" |
| 19:28.45 | dpkg | zarchne: I'm not sure, is it larger than a breadbox? |
| 19:28.55 | inc|freaky | jetscreamer: what do you mean? dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xfree86 and then? |
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| 19:29.13 | greycat | dpkg, installed =~ s/ii/[hi]i/ |
| 19:29.13 | dpkg | that doesn't contain 'ii', greycat |
| 19:29.18 | greycat | dpkg, literal installed |
| 19:29.18 | dpkg | installed is <reply> see installed packages |
| 19:29.23 | greycat | dpkg, installed packages =~ s/ii/[hi]i/ |
| 19:29.23 | dpkg | greycat: OK |
| 19:29.24 | jetscreamer | inc|freaky, when it says advanced medium or simple, chose medium |
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| 19:29.38 | inc|freaky | jetscreamer: thanks, ill try :D |
| 19:31.23 | zarchne | dpkg, installed packages =~ s/COLS/COLUMNS/ |
| 19:31.23 | dpkg | OK, zarchne |
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| 19:32.12 | grigora | hi, I am trying to build an initrd image to be able to read my root filesystem which resides on a RAID1 mirror, I have included md, raid1 and ext3 in /etc/mkinitrd/modules and have also set MODULES=dep, but I still get the same message "EXT3-fs: unable to read superblock" does anyone know what's causing this? thanks |
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| 19:33.07 | slocate | are there mplayer pkgs? |
| 19:33.15 | greycat | slocate: /msg dpkg mplayer |
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| 19:33.16 | abrotman | !tell slocate about marillat |
| 19:33.24 | gartt | How could I make dirB link to DirA, only to the .abc files, DirA containing .abc and .def files? |
| 19:33.26 | MacTAnzu | §Attach msg ignored: coming from inside. |
| 19:33.41 | stew | mplayer actually got uploaded to ftp-master |
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| 19:33.53 | abrotman | gartt: make a DirC ? |
| 19:33.55 | stew | so maybe we'll have a mplayer package in sid soon? |
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| 19:34.01 | stego | How do I find out which device belongs to a certain piece of hardware? |
| 19:34.02 | abrotman | stew: it really got uploaded this time? |
| 19:34.11 | abrotman | stew: or the same email you showed me a few weeks ago? |
| 19:34.33 | octavious | is there a licensing issue with mplayer? |
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| 19:34.47 | gartt | abrotman: Why a dirC? |
| 19:34.48 | stew | abrotman: http://ftp-master.debian.org/new.html |
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| 19:35.25 | gartt | I just want empty dirB to link to dirA, but only show the .abc files in dirA, (b/c dirA has many types of files) |
| 19:35.28 | christor | Hello, I m searching a application to build a web site?? Is there something on debian? |
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| 19:35.51 | dvs | christor: quanta2? |
| 19:35.54 | jetscreamer | bluefish amaya quanta |
| 19:35.59 | zarchne | vim |
| 19:36.03 | dvs | emacs |
| 19:36.06 | jetscreamer | openoffice i think, mozilla |
| 19:36.07 | valdyn | christor: vim emacs bluefish joe quanta ( be less vague? ) |
| 19:36.22 | jetscreamer | no i like vague |
| 19:36.30 | dvs | it's fun |
| 19:36.33 | christor | valdyn: ok :) like drereamweaver for windows |
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| 19:36.56 | jetscreamer | bluefish or quanta or maybe amaya.. screem... |
| 19:36.56 | christor | it s more |
| 19:36.58 | valdyn | christor: quante or nvue ( not in debian ), i believe |
| 19:36.59 | christor | it s better? |
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| 19:37.06 | valdyn | christor: quanta or nvue ( not in debian ), i believe |
| 19:37.07 | abrotman | stew: i see something much better in there .. pgsql 8 :) |
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| 19:37.17 | jakjak | better |
| 19:37.22 | stew | yeah |
| 19:37.26 | christor | nvu is ko for sid I saw, but I m running ssarge |
| 19:37.28 | abrotman | stew: why is it so backlogged ? |
| 19:37.30 | xipto1 | Hi! Does anyone have any link or suggestion to put HAL to auto mount usb storage devices? I'm using sid... |
| 19:37.46 | valdyn | !simple sid backport |
| 19:37.46 | dpkg | [simple sid backport] 1) Add a deb-src line for sid to your sources.list. 2) apt-get update 3) apt-get build-dep packagename;apt-get -b source packagename 4) install the resulting debs, or pay someone to do it properly :) |
| 19:38.14 | jetscreamer | you named your computer HAL? |
| 19:38.26 | stew | abrotman: i dunno, i've been wondering myself |
| 19:38.44 | abrotman | stew: ask bob2 .. he's got something in there |
| 19:39.07 | abrotman | maybe he has an idea .. that doesn't involve duct tape and some gerbils |
| 19:39.13 | abrotman | or whatever that factoid is |
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| 19:39.16 | jetscreamer | there's something called scribus too but it's not very featurefilled |
| 19:39.24 | christor | dpkg: ok no prob for that, but just would like if something existed on debian. I m installing quanta to see. If quanta not good for me I will do that. THX all |
| 19:39.24 | dpkg | You are moron #35, christor |
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| 19:39.42 | jetscreamer | !botsnack |
| 19:39.42 | dpkg | aw, gee, jetscreamer |
| 19:39.50 | christor | moron?? |
| 19:39.53 | christor | what means? |
| 19:39.55 | abrotman | dpkg: what are you |
| 19:39.55 | dpkg | I am a blootbot. For more info see <blootbot> |
| 19:40.10 | jakjak | <blootbot> |
| 19:40.12 | abrotman | christor: get it now ? |
| 19:40.13 | jakjak | ? |
| 19:40.16 | cat | !blootbot |
| 19:40.16 | dpkg | somebody said blootbot was a severely modified infobot (right now, the code doesn't even look like infobot any more), by xk. Homepage at http://blootbot.sourceforge.net. Archive is at http://www.nyip.net/~apt/blootbot. See blootbot debs now in debian, or if you didn't already know this you probably don't want to run a blootbot unless you're very good with perl |
| 19:40.19 | jetscreamer | moron==brain needs to be on more |
| 19:40.19 | christor | abrotman: yes |
| 19:40.21 | abrotman | jakjak: /msg dpkg blootbot |
| 19:40.35 | jakjak | coo |
| 19:40.36 | jakjak | l |
| 19:40.47 | christor | <PROTECTED> |
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| 19:41.05 | grigora | does anyone know which modules I need to read my ext3 root filesystem on RAID1 (in addition to md, raid0, ext3)? |
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| 19:41.12 | jetscreamer | <PROTECTED> |
| 19:41.16 | abrotman | kynaptic? ... why can't kde stop naming everything with a fucking k? |
| 19:41.39 | jetscreamer | there's a kynaptic for real? omg |
| 19:41.39 | abrotman | soon .. parents kan't teach thier kids to read |
| 19:41.45 | dvs | abrotman: It's communist. Microsoft said so |
| 19:41.46 | zarchne | abrotman: sexism. |
| 19:41.47 | abrotman | jetscreamer: apparently so |
| 19:41.54 | jetscreamer | !info kynaptic |
| 19:42.00 | jetscreamer | that's blatant |
| 19:42.14 | abrotman | jetscreamer: https://oops.kerneljanitors.org/repos/synaptic/branches/kynaptic/ |
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| 19:43.11 | jetscreamer | wonder if Sebastian Heinlein is related |
| 19:43.22 | abrotman | jetscreamer: conectiva i think |
| 19:43.35 | jetscreamer | to robert i mean |
| 19:43.36 | abrotman | i do see gnomebaker in there also |
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| 19:43.50 | christor | abrotman: quanta works properly |
| 19:43.53 | abrotman | and horde3 .. yay |
| 19:43.56 | abrotman | christor: ok |
| 19:43.58 | jetscreamer | \o/ |
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| 19:44.31 | jetscreamer | next time try looking around in your_choice_of_packagemanager first |
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| 19:46.12 | jetscreamer | if you have a kernel-panic, or a remote box locks up, can you make it reboot with pxe while it's hung? (assuming you have pxe boot setup already) |
| 19:46.16 | CarlosAlex | How solve it ? IsAuthorized: No matching user:group for "root" |
| 19:46.16 | CarlosAlex | in passwd.md5! |
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| 19:47.36 | jetscreamer | and does anybody know offhand the normal operating temp for a duron 950 |
| 19:48.11 | jetscreamer | i think 143F is too high |
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| 19:48.25 | dvs | jetscreamer: Hell yeah! |
| 19:48.45 | edit_21 | hi all, anywone good with laptops? |
| 19:48.53 | dvs | !ask |
| 19:48.53 | dpkg | If you have a question, just ask away on channel. If somebody knows, they'll answer :) For best results, be specific, informative, complete, concise and on-topic! Don't ask if you can ask a question first. Also don't ask if anyone uses/knows about foo. Please don't be demanding or insulting. Remember, we're all volunteers. Finally, please don't /msg people without permission or demand an answer from one particular person. Thanks! |
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| 19:49.31 | MirageGarage | hey all |
| 19:49.39 | MirageGarage | back for another round |
| 19:49.40 | edit_21 | lol ok. i cant get my pcmcia working with debian! on an old tp240 |
| 19:49.59 | edit_21 | havent a clue whats up with it, new install |
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| 19:50.26 | edit_21 | not surewhat mod-to probe. |
| 19:50.32 | pder | I TRY THE DEBIAN AND IT ARE CRAP |
| 19:50.44 | dvs | that's nice |
| 19:50.47 | pingouin | pder: great ;) |
| 19:50.47 | MirageGarage | does debian have an autoconfig for video and monitors.. like mandrake |
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| 19:50.57 | edit_21 | thtas usefull thanks pder |
| 19:51.04 | pder | you bet |
| 19:51.12 | valdyn | MirageGarage: yes |
| 19:51.22 | pingouin | pder: switch to what you need then, pder dont loose you time here |
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| 19:51.28 | MirageGarage | Yes! how do I use it :) |
| 19:51.36 | edit_21 | can some one give me a line to check if right mod is loaded |
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| 19:51.47 | jetscreamer | looks like 90C |
| 19:51.58 | valdyn | MirageGarage: dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xfree86 *might* do it for you |
| 19:52.00 | pder | pingouin: was just joking |
| 19:52.14 | valdyn | MirageGarage: you may want to tell us what hardware you have though |
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| 19:52.28 | jetscreamer | MirageGarage, you might apt-get install read-edid mdetect first |
| 19:52.43 | oKtosiTe | While installing Sarge, I got asked if discover should take care of mount points. It's behaving badly, and I need to disable it. How would I go about this? |
| 19:52.48 | Blissex | HELLO could the 'dpkg' bot be generously shared with #Knoppix and #Kanotix? |
| 19:53.00 | jetscreamer | dpkg-reconfigure discover.. yeah it sucks at mount points |
| 19:53.19 | MirageGarage | okie.. ill try that. can I exit out of KDE into command? |
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| 19:53.26 | oKtosiTe | jetscreamer, that doesn't work |
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| 19:53.39 | oKtosiTe | says package discover isn't installed |
| 19:53.49 | stew | Blissex: why not run your own blootbot and start with dpkg's current factoid set? |
| 19:54.07 | dvs | stew: But.... cloning is illegal ;-) |
| 19:54.10 | jetscreamer | well try discover1 |
| 19:54.10 | valdyn | MirageGarage: exit depends on how youre running kde, switch to command is: open a terminal in kde or ctrl-alt-f1 |
| 19:54.12 | revenger_ | hmm.. what do I have to do to enable core dumps systemwide? (I edited limits.conf and set hard/soft core to unlimited) also modified login in /etc/pam.d but it still shows up 0 when I type ulimit -a? (also rebooted the machine) |
| 19:54.13 | R | I'm trying to edit some video using cinelerra, someone got the clips from a sony camera and gave them to me (sony dv format, retrieved on a mac). If I try to open the file with cinelerra it crashes (but just before it crashes I can see it supports the format)... any ideas? |
| 19:54.17 | oKtosiTe | jetscreamer, ok |
| 19:54.21 | jetscreamer | oKtosiTe, try discover1 then ah nm |
| 19:54.29 | Blissex | stew: I was just an idea... after all much the same factoids are needed in those channels. |
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| 19:54.43 | MirageGarage | yeah, but it wont let me write to file er something.. its in use. |
| 19:54.49 | MirageGarage | ill just reboot |
| 19:54.52 | MirageGarage | bbiab |
| 19:54.58 | jetscreamer | you can invite dpkg to /join a channel |
| 19:55.01 | jetscreamer | iirc |
| 19:55.08 | jetscreamer | might be turned off thugh |
| 19:55.12 | jetscreamer | o |
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| 19:55.47 | paulswm | The dpkg bot contains factiods specific to debian |
| 19:55.50 | jetscreamer | or that might have been a diff bot |
| 19:55.53 | jetscreamer | so? |
| 19:55.55 | Krisso | what program can i use to extract rar files? (several volumes to one file) |
| 19:56.03 | valdyn | !unrar |
| 19:56.03 | dpkg | In unstable, unrar has been reimplemented as Free software (see <dfsg>). The new unrar package cannot read V3 RAR files. If you need that functionality, use the unrar-nonfree package, in the non-free section.. Woody: unrar, Sarge: unrar-nonfree |
| 19:56.07 | jetscreamer | Krisso, rar x or unrar |
| 19:56.14 | Krisso | k |
| 19:56.25 | valdyn | !rar |
| 19:56.25 | dpkg | methinks rar is an archiver used mostly by 3l33+ war3z d00dz ;), or unrar to unrar things, or the worst file format ever, designed by morons FFS, use split and cat like a sane person!, or (better get parchive too, lest your pr0n be incomplete) |
| 19:56.41 | jetscreamer | rar is slow |
| 19:56.52 | Krisso | valdyn, where to get it from? |
| 19:57.00 | jetscreamer | apt-get install unrar |
| 19:57.05 | valdyn | Krisso: apt-get install unrar-nonfree |
| 19:57.14 | jetscreamer | add non-free contrib to your sources if you don't have it |
| 19:57.29 | jetscreamer | <PROTECTED> |
| 19:57.33 | jetscreamer | then apt-get update |
| 19:57.35 | Blissex | paulswm: yes yes, but it is better than nothing... |
| 19:58.19 | stew | Blissex: why not just run your own and start it with the current set of factoids? |
| 19:58.23 | stew | !your factoids |
| 19:58.23 | dpkg | My factoids are available at http://rzlab.ucr.edu/~dpkg/ They are updated nightly and the previous 18 days are archived. |
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| 19:58.32 | Krisso | valdyn, how to get nonfree sources into apt? |
| 19:58.40 | jetscreamer | why not just use a supybot |
| 19:58.41 | nomeata | hi. In GNOME, what (possible key combination) might have caused that the AltGr-Key stopped working as it should? Suddently, xev reports ISO_Level3_Shift for it. |
| 19:58.53 | jetscreamer | Krisso, i just told you |
| 19:58.57 | paulswm | stew: exactly. |
| 19:59.03 | jetscreamer | try /lastlog jetscreamer |
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| 20:00.17 | Rambo3 | i broke my linux |
| 20:00.27 | Krisso | jetscreamer, tell me a good nonfree source |
| 20:00.37 | Krisso | jethro, in that cfg file, there is none. |
| 20:00.45 | Blissex | nomeata: what do you mean by «working as it should»? |
| 20:01.12 | dvs | Rambo3: You get both halves. |
| 20:01.28 | pingouin | :) |
| 20:01.29 | Rambo3 | well its in more then 2 peaces |
| 20:01.30 | jetscreamer | Krisso, you just add the shit i told you after main in your existing source |
| 20:01.45 | jetscreamer | aka main contrib non-free |
| 20:01.45 | nomeata | Blissex: e.G. AltGr-q should give me the at sign forgot to say I'm using latin1 here. |
| 20:01.54 | pingouin | Rambo3: tell more about the 2 pieces that are broken |
| 20:01.56 | nomeata | Blissex: german layout, actually |
| 20:02.10 | jetscreamer | then apt-get update Krisso |
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| 20:02.33 | oKtosiTe | jetscreamer, thanks! |
| 20:02.35 | Blissex | nomeata: I suspect you need to read a bit on the different meanings of group shifting, ISO3 shifting, composing and all those diabolical novelties... |
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| 20:02.52 | Blissex | nomeata: it is hard to explain briefly what the whole mess is about. |
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| 20:03.18 | Devi0s | hey |
| 20:03.20 | nomeata | Blissex: hmm. I don't want any of this, actually. I just want to know how exactly I did switch anything and how I switch back. |
| 20:03.27 | Rambo3 | i think i need to reinstall it . i recompiled my kernel without acpi , and it was working just fine without overheating. and sudenly it just shut down , when i booted the system it reported 10^10 errors on file system , no xconf , and missing folders |
| 20:03.34 | Devi0s | how do I make sure that sshd starts up when the system does? |
| 20:03.37 | nomeata | Blissex: and then how I disable switching alltogether :-) |
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| 20:03.48 | jetscreamer | oh btw i never see /msg's usually till it's too late |
| 20:03.52 | Blissex | nomeata: as I said, it is hard to explain in brief whats the whole mess is about. |
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| 20:04.12 | nomeata | Blissex: ok. any guesses what key combination might have caused this? |
| 20:04.18 | Krisso | jetscreamer, thx. works. |
| 20:04.28 | Blissex | nomeata: the best is for you to read a bit about it, decide what you want once you know the options, and then hunt down the way to make it stick. |
| 20:04.31 | kh4nh | watup |
| 20:04.34 | [ZoPeNkO] | I want to change my monitor resolution (Dell e551, Ati rage pro 120 32 mbs, debian sarge) Already did xf86config |
| 20:04.47 | nomeata | Blissex: ok, thanks. |
| 20:04.52 | Blissex | nomeata: and probably you changed something in the keyboard/initialization control panel, or the X configuration. |
| 20:04.58 | kh4nh | anyone where to get Acrobat Reader 7 |
| 20:05.07 | stew | kh4nh: acrobat.com/ |
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| 20:05.27 | kh4nh | there isn't ver 7 |
| 20:05.35 | nomeata | Blissex: last thing: what is AltGr called in the X-Config-Language? Meta? Super?... |
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| 20:06.14 | oskie | nomeata: depends on the keyboard setting... apparently 'ISO_Level3_Shift' here |
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| 20:06.40 | stew | kh4nh: so you are asking where to get software that doens't yet exist/ |
| 20:06.42 | stew | ? |
| 20:06.58 | nomeata | oskie: actually, that is right. I managed to switch the group by enabling groupswitching with both alt keys. Now I just need to figure out what key combo swithed it in the first place. |
| 20:06.59 | stew | ugh, my shift key seems to be dying |
| 20:07.10 | EdibleText | kh4nh, if you need a pdf viewer, use xpdf |
| 20:07.16 | jetscreamer | actually i think it's the linux adobe .7 that's missing i just read about v7 i think? |
| 20:07.24 | cheal|ignored | adobe reader 7 is released. it's the current version |
| 20:07.24 | jetscreamer | or it's coming out? |
| 20:07.31 | oskie | nomeata: heh..sounds messy |
| 20:07.33 | jetscreamer | yeah there we go |
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| 20:07.44 | stew | cheal|ignored: version 7 is released for linux? |
| 20:07.51 | jetscreamer | for windoes |
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| 20:07.53 | jetscreamer | afaik |
| 20:07.54 | nomeata | oskie: not so much actually. I guess there is just a single key combo that I might have hit that causes this. |
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| 20:07.58 | jetscreamer | dunno if linux or not |
| 20:08.13 | cheal|ignored | stew: no, 5 |
| 20:08.28 | Blissex | nomeata: Meta and Super are attributes... |
| 20:08.40 | Blissex | nomeata: they can be attached to any key. |
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| 20:09.05 | Blissex | nomeata: what you probably really want to have a look at is 'man setxkbmap' and in general the XKB config HOWTOs. |
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| 20:09.34 | [ZoPeNkO] | I want to change my monitor resolution (Dell e551, Ati rage pro 120 32 mbs, debian sarge) Already did xf86config |
| 20:09.39 | nomeata | Blissex: Well, not now, and at least I found a way to fix it. thanks so far! |
| 20:09.41 | stew | !drxx [ZoPeNkO] |
| 20:09.42 | dpkg | [ZoPeNkO]: dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xfree86 (as root) |
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| 20:10.02 | [ZoPeNkO] | Muchas gracias |
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| 20:10.26 | stew | [ZoPeNkO]: if you edited that with xf86config you should probably read /msg dpkg x md5sum |
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| 20:11.16 | mAIJK | Is the minicd a good choice 2 install debian? |
| 20:11.32 | greycat | do we get to guess what a minicd is? |
| 20:11.36 | cheal|ignored | stew: wouldn't dexconf work? |
| 20:11.41 | Xemacs_ | where are good docs on xreseourses ? |
| 20:11.54 | Xemacs_ | xresources |
| 20:12.02 | BucWheat | does sarge install selinux ? |
| 20:12.03 | Rambo3 | heh only stable kernel is left , booting now ,it restord some default xconf ,dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xfree86 reboots my comp |
| 20:12.08 | BucWheat | or is that soley for redhat ? |
| 20:12.11 | greycat | Xemacs_: foo:<TAB>bar (NO SPACES!) in .Xresources and "xrdb -merge ~/.Xresources" |
| 20:12.34 | BucWheat | i ask because a gentlemen in #apache is helping me and he wanted to know :) |
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| 20:12.47 | stew | cheal|ignored: what is dexconf? |
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| 20:13.09 | mAIJK | LordSutch.com ISOLINUX-mini-ISO <---- Should I use this or should I use ----> debian-30r4-i386-binary-1.iso !? |
| 20:13.17 | greycat | !d-i mAIJK |
| 20:13.17 | dpkg | mAIJK, you want to go to http://www.debian.org/devel/debian-installer/ - for your own good, and everyone else's. |
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| 20:13.30 | stew | mAIJK: what are you installing a server or a desktop? |
| 20:13.33 | cheal|ignored | stew: man dexconf... |
| 20:13.40 | mAIJK | Desctop |
| 20:13.45 | mAIJK | desctop |
| 20:14.02 | inc|freaky | hi all, im currently on debian. I'm having problems getting X to run. It tells me no display found. What can this be caused by? |
| 20:14.16 | inc|freaky | the "unsupported frequencies" prob is solved (i hope) |
| 20:14.17 | [ZoPeNkO] | stew, Do i have to Reboot ? i did dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xfree86 |
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| 20:14.28 | inc|freaky | [ZoPeNkO]: usually not |
| 20:14.45 | mAIJK | stew Should I use the rc2 version, not the r4 ? |
| 20:15.05 | greycat | 3.0r4 is woody with 4 bunches of security patches applied |
| 20:15.12 | cheal|ignored | [ZoPeNkO]: just restart X |
| 20:15.14 | greycat | sarge-rc2 is the second release candidate of sarge (3.1). |
| 20:15.15 | inc|freaky | please can someone help me, I'd even tell you the root-pass so you can fix that for me. I tried to install the nvidia drivers for my geforce 6600 but it says i'd have to configure the kernel headers or whatever ... something like that |
| 20:15.16 | [ZoPeNkO] | inc|freaky, i did the dpkg reconfiguration and Didnt work :S i still have mi 800*600 conf |
| 20:15.16 | stew | mAIJK: if you are running a desktop you'll be much happier with d-i |
| 20:15.32 | cheal|ignored | inc|freaky: what method did you choose? |
| 20:15.37 | inc|freaky | medium |
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| 20:15.49 | inc|freaky | at the dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xfree86 |
| 20:15.50 | cheal|ignored | [ZoPeNkO]: you restarted X, right? |
| 20:15.51 | CarlosAlex | Hummmm.... |
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| 20:16.04 | [ZoPeNkO] | cheal|ignored, dont know .... let me restart it |
| 20:16.05 | CarlosAlex | I dont know how to build alsa-modules... |
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| 20:16.19 | greycat | CarlosAlex: module-assistant |
| 20:16.35 | greycat | 13:59 directhex> CarlosAlex, apt-get install module-assistant && m-a a-i alsa-modules. that should work |
| 20:16.48 | directhex | inc|freaky, how are you installing the drivers? |
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| 20:16.55 | CarlosAlex | I did apt-get |
| 20:17.05 | cheal|ignored | inc|freaky: no, I mean at http://home.comcast.net/~andrex/Debian-nVidia/installation.html |
| 20:17.12 | inc|freaky | the person who get this solved for me can get a shell on a debian system on a server on a 100Mbit/s line pleasse im going crazy! i was trying to install all possible distributions. mdk hangs @ the sata drivers |
| 20:17.15 | R | I'm looking for a video editing tool that can do: remove frames, rotate the entire movie.. anyone knows such a tool (it should work with a video format that has no compression whatsoever) |
| 20:17.18 | inc|freaky | cheal|ignored: ? |
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| 20:17.36 | directhex | inc|freaky, and which version fo debian, that's also relevant |
| 20:17.41 | cheal|ignored | inc|freaky: " There are four different procedures that you can use to install the kernel module. " which one did you choose? |
| 20:17.44 | inc|freaky | directhex: i install them using: sh NVidia....run --kernel-source-path=/usr/src/kernel-source-2.6.8 |
| 20:17.51 | directhex | oh fucking god >_< |
| 20:17.58 | cheal|ignored | !tell inc|freaky about nvidia-installer |
| 20:18.11 | directhex | !tell inc|freaky about quick sid/sarge mix |
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| 20:18.21 | directhex | !tell inc|freaky about non-free sources |
| 20:18.27 | directhex | !tell inc|freaky about nvidia one-liner |
| 20:18.28 | klex | how do i make my debian sarge to connect and get an ip at boot time? |
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| 20:18.42 | FieldySnuts | @lart inc|freaky |
| 20:18.43 | dvs | klex: man interfaces |
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| 20:19.20 | inc|freaky | directhex: i dont really understand what that means (im german, my english sucks) ... is it hard to do that? |
| 20:19.49 | directhex | inc|freaky, look at the private messages the bot dpkg has sent you. |
| 20:19.53 | klex | dvs: i have but.... |
| 20:20.01 | cheal|ignored | inc|freaky: not really...at least, we're here to help you if you have trouble |
| 20:20.05 | inc|freaky | if it isnt time expensive, could u please please please login as root on my pc using ssh and do that for me? i can give you something back ... i own a server on a 100Mbit/s line located in germany, i pay 68euro a month. you can have a shell if you want |
| 20:20.07 | dvs | klex: You are using a network card? |
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| 20:20.24 | cheal|ignored | |root |
| 20:20.27 | cheal|ignored | !root |
| 20:20.27 | dpkg | It has been said that root is the administrative account - only use it when root power is needed. So no reading mail, compiling programs, or running applications as root. And don't even think about irc'ing as root, it increases the danger from exploits and trojans (such as bliss), or see, for example, the security advisory on BitchX http://www.debian.org/security/2003/dsa-306 |
| 20:20.27 | directhex | i'm not accepting random root passwords, and you should NOT be offering them |
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| 20:20.46 | directhex | you also never answered by question. <directhex> inc|freaky, and which version fo debian, that's also relevant |
| 20:20.48 | cheal|ignored | oops that's not it |
| 20:20.54 | inc|freaky | im using sarge |
| 20:20.54 | Rambo3 | ok dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xfree86 fixed xconf |
| 20:20.58 | inc|freaky | used netinstall |
| 20:21.03 | directhex | right. |
| 20:21.04 | RichiH | inc|freaky: es gibt auch #debian.de :) |
| 20:21.10 | directhex | so do what the bot told you. not hard. |
| 20:21.15 | [ZoPeNkO] | Well, Just Re-Started X server, and i still have the same conf |
| 20:21.23 | directhex | can someone in debian.de translate those factoids? |
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| 20:21.35 | directhex | !tell [ZoPeNkO] about x md5sum |
| 20:21.42 | directhex | !tell [ZoPeNkO] about leading punctuation |
| 20:21.58 | inc|freaky | ok, i hope i understand it correctly. btw, im not even sure if it is caused by the wrong drivers. it just tells me "no screens found" and in the xfree.log are thousand of nvidia cards listed but not the one i use so i guessed its caused by that |
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| 20:22.26 | directhex | inc|freaky, indeed. |
| 20:22.32 | [ZoPeNkO] | directhex, Ok ...... |
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| 20:22.56 | directhex | inc|freaky, you're correct, and followed the correct procedure to find out what was wrong. that makes a change. |
| 20:23.05 | Randall32 | Anyone using a voodoo2? |
| 20:23.09 | inc|freaky | awkay :D thank you all very much :D |
| 20:23.09 | jetscreamer | no |
| 20:23.41 | Chicago | i have a dual boot system: win98 / woody; only have dial-up access under windoze, no internet access under linux. is there a way i can download and save updates to disk under windows, then apt-get update from disk source? |
| 20:23.57 | tub | I would also like to know what should I put to that screen form in XF86Config-4 file, graphic card and display are clear but screen? |
| 20:24.08 | directhex | Randall32, last millenium called, they want their 3d accelerators back |
| 20:24.10 | ELMALO | alguien que able en español |
| 20:24.15 | xtof | Hi! to share files between 2 debian box, the easyest is still nfs? |
| 20:24.25 | dataw0lf | no. |
| 20:24.26 | R | I'm looking for a video editing tool that can do: remove frames, rotate the entire movie.. anyone knows such a tool (it should work with a video format that has no compression whatsoever) |
| 20:24.27 | greycat | !es |
| 20:24.27 | dpkg | Hispanohablantes: Por favor usen #debian-es, alli obtendran mas ayuda. Spanish Speakers: Please use #debian-es, there you will get much more help. |
| 20:24.27 | dataw0lf | it's scp. |
| 20:24.39 | Randall32 | directhex: Yeah, and the 80s called and asked for all the x86 back. |
| 20:24.39 | zopenko | directhex, i did what dpkg toldme ... and the files are equal |
| 20:25.03 | ELMALO | cual es tu nombre |
| 20:25.11 | directhex | zopenko, if your x md5sum is up to date, then dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xfree86 should work. |
| 20:25.19 | Xemacs_ | R freshmeat.net |
| 20:25.30 | zopenko | ELMALO, entra a #debian-es , aqui no ayudan en español |
| 20:25.39 | directhex | r, avidemux |
| 20:25.51 | zopenko | directhex, well i will try again. |
| 20:25.55 | zopenko | Thank you |
| 20:25.59 | ELMALO | idiotas |
| 20:26.03 | R | directhex: avidemux doesn't support the formati I got (sony dv video) |
| 20:26.04 | Randall32 | haha |
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| 20:26.09 | Randall32 | chingate |
| 20:26.12 | ELMALO | verdadero zopenco |
| 20:26.15 | zopenko | ELMALO, si muchas gracias por tus Insultos .... pero sakate de aqui Imbecil |
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| 20:26.38 | directhex | !ops ELMALO is being a tard in a funny foreign language |
| 20:26.39 | dpkg | Hydroxide, bob2, caphuso, dondelelcaro, doogie, eeyore-, ElectricElf, greycat, helix, ljlane, LoRez, mentor, Netsnipe, TML, walters, xk: ELMALO is being a tard in a funny foreign language |
| 20:26.42 | ELMALO | por que no te vas a descansar |
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| 20:26.54 | inc|freaky | umm, do i have to replace something in that line: "echo 'APT::Default-Release "testing";' >> /etc/apt/apt-conf ? and then change one set to sid ... huh? im confused. |
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| 20:27.13 | greycat | !es |
| 20:27.13 | dpkg | Hispanohablantes: Por favor usen #debian-es, alli obtendran mas ayuda. Spanish Speakers: Please use #debian-es, there you will get much more help. |
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| 20:27.27 | paulswm | thanx greycat |
| 20:27.28 | directhex | inc|freaky, take your keyboard, and run the command, exaxctly as it was written in the first fucking place. |
| 20:27.35 | directhex | echo 'APT::Default-Release "testing";' >> /etc/apt/apt-conf |
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| 20:27.49 | directhex | erm, apt.conf |
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| 20:27.53 | directhex | is that a dash in the factoid? |
| 20:28.03 | inc|freaky | awkay, im sorry |
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| 20:28.14 | directhex | no, you typed it out wrong. |
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| 20:28.26 | directhex | it's apt.conf in the factoid, as Hex intended |
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| 20:28.53 | inc|freaky | ah, i see ;p |
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| 20:30.01 | jetscreamer | !es |
| 20:30.01 | dpkg | Hispanohablantes: Por favor usen #debian-es, alli obtendran mas ayuda. Spanish Speakers: Please use #debian-es, there you will get much more help. |
| 20:30.31 | slocate | were can I find the apt.sql? |
| 20:30.50 | greycat | the what? |
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| 20:30.55 | inc|freaky | umm, and what if i got no apt.conf but only a apt.conf.d directory?? |
| 20:31.04 | dondelelcaro | inc|freaky: then you make an apt.conf |
| 20:31.24 | slocate | the databese that dpkg uses |
| 20:31.26 | inc|freaky | in the apt.conf.d directory? |
| 20:31.28 | greycat | !your factoids |
| 20:31.29 | dpkg | My factoids are available at http://rzlab.ucr.edu/~dpkg/ They are updated nightly and the previous 18 days are archived. |
| 20:31.38 | directhex | inc|freaky, then if you just typed the command `echo 'APT::Default-Release "testing";' >> /etc/apt/apt.conf` it would create one for you. |
| 20:31.43 | inc|freaky | ok |
| 20:31.43 | dondelelcaro | inc|freaky: although, since you're asking this, you really should be reading man apt.conf; man apt_preferences; |
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| 20:32.08 | slocate | freenode~greycat: got me? |
| 20:32.13 | inc|freaky | i just didnt know that it reads that file if there is a .d directory as i thought it would read all files in the .d directory but not the single file then |
| 20:32.35 | nvz | I cannot see how these live cds have all the crap they have... bootcd tells me the running system has to fit on cd.. thats like 700MB even after removing large packages like openoffice I cannot get a full desktop in less than 1gb |
| 20:33.09 | directhex | it's standard practice to have configuration read from foo, or from files in foo.d. a number of packages had the .d option added as a way to fix debian policy issues (e.g. discover had it added to help alsa) |
| 20:33.22 | greycat | !tell slocate about msg |
| 20:33.25 | directhex | nvz, they run from a compressed disk image |
| 20:33.40 | dondelelcaro | directhex: in this case, it's read apt.conf AND apt.conf.d |
| 20:34.00 | nvz | directhex: hmm |
| 20:34.04 | directhex | dondelelcaro, indeed. anything else would be SILLY. |
| 20:34.05 | inc|freaky | so, i have to change the "testing" to "sid"? |
| 20:34.11 | inc|freaky | because there is no "sarge" |
| 20:34.28 | directhex | inc|freaky, for the last time, TYPE THE COMMAND EXACTLY AS WRITTEN |
| 20:34.30 | greycat | you mean.... sarge is MAKE BELIEVE?! |
| 20:34.39 | dondelelcaro | greycat: YOU BIG MEANY! |
| 20:34.40 | inc|freaky | i did that, im @ the sources.list |
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| 20:35.01 | inc|freaky | directhex, i typed the command exactly as written |
| 20:35.10 | nvz | directhex: I am using vmware to try and experiment with the bootcd and related packages.. can install test systems and make "cds" without wasting the cds or hd space |
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| 20:35.15 | inc|freaky | im so sorry, its just a bit hard for me to understand |
| 20:35.20 | slocate | who is in charge of dpkg? |
| 20:35.25 | greycat | !who owns you |
| 20:35.25 | dpkg | dondelelcaro does |
| 20:35.26 | dondelelcaro | slocate: just ask your question |
| 20:35.30 | directhex | inc|freaky, oh. in that one, you copy the existing main source lines (usually the top two, e.g. the ftp.de.debian.org ones) then paste, so you have 2 identical sets. then you change one set to say 'sarge' one set to say 'sid' |
| 20:35.34 | dvs | !maint dpkg |
| 20:35.36 | dpkg | dpkg: Dpkg Development <debian-dpkg@lists.debian.org> |
| 20:35.39 | Chicago | had a ? about apt-get...pasted it, but no responses...new to this channel, read the rules..said don't ask to ask, just ask, did ask, no response, if there's anyone in here who'd like to take on an apt-get question, please PM |
| 20:35.45 | greycat | dvs: he meant the bot. he /msg'ed me about it earlier. |
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| 20:35.51 | dvs | oh |
| 20:35.54 | dondelelcaro | Chicago: just ask your question |
| 20:35.55 | ribnitz | heyas |
| 20:36.08 | Chicago | i have a dual boot system: win98 / woody; only have dial-up access under windoze, no internet access under linux. is there a way i can download and save updates to disk under windows, then apt-get update from disk source? |
| 20:36.18 | dondelelcaro | Chicago: yes, use apt-move |
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| 20:36.23 | dondelelcaro | s/move/zip/ |
| 20:36.24 | inc|freaky | ok, done. Do i have to change the testing/updates to sid/updates, too? |
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| 20:36.37 | Chicago | ok..what's the command / syntax |
| 20:36.45 | inc|freaky | and do i have to comment out the testing ones when i finished changing the duplicates from testing to sid? |
| 20:36.45 | svizzero | anyone knows how to set a vhost for irc? |
| 20:37.08 | directhex | inc|freaky, no, just the top two. and NO, do _NOT_ comment those out. if they needed commenting out, the factoid would tell you to |
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| 20:37.19 | slocate | freenode~dondelelcaro: was wondering if the *.sql it uses is available |
| 20:37.33 | directhex | jeeses, even writing a complete & accurate factoid or three isn't enough these days. |
| 20:37.37 | cheal|ignored | heh, what if you don't have apt-zip installed? :) |
| 20:38.00 | inc|freaky | ok. ive done this. ill proceed now. |
| 20:38.01 | cheal|ignored | Chicago: apt-get install apt-zip |
| 20:38.20 | dondelelcaro | slocate: /msg dpkg your factoids; that's where the sql database is. |
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| 20:38.26 | Casquapointer | http://www.xconcept.c.la/ |
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| 20:38.33 | cheal|ignored | stupid people |
| 20:38.37 | directhex | GNAA trollage? |
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| 20:38.54 | Chicago | what will apt-get install apt-zip do |
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| 20:39.06 | directhex | oh, porno |
| 20:39.21 | vircuser | wher |
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| 20:40.00 | directhex | nope, not even porno spam, it's fake porno spam |
| 20:40.02 | partially | i am trying to get syslogd to output the iptables stuff to a specific file |
| 20:40.12 | partially | currently i hae this in /etc/syslog.conf |
| 20:40.14 | partially | http://paste.getlinuxhelp.org/819 |
| 20:40.20 | svizzero | anyone knows how to set a vhost for irc? |
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| 20:40.40 | Chicago | how do i download what i need while i'm under windoze in order to use the apt-move command? |
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| 20:41.04 | partially | Chicago: packages.debian.org |
| 20:41.06 | cheal|ignored | Chicago: it will install a package to help you do what you want want |
| 20:41.15 | inc|freaky | directhex: umm, i have to use the 2.6.8 kernel but it now tries to install the 2.4 kernel? |
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| 20:41.25 | Chicago | gotcha...and that package is called? apt-zip? |
| 20:41.29 | cheal|ignored | yes |
| 20:41.35 | Chicago | marvelous |
| 20:41.38 | inc|freaky | nvidia-kernel-2.4... |
| 20:41.52 | inc|freaky | i have to use the 2.6.8 kernel because of the sata stuff |
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| 20:42.12 | jetscreamer | i don't think that's the same, inc|freaky |
| 20:42.20 | jetscreamer | not positive, what's the package? |
| 20:42.27 | directhex | jetscreamer, you're correct |
| 20:42.39 | inc|freaky | what do you mean? |
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| 20:42.42 | BucWheat | ok i'm at my wits end with this permission stuff. it is going on5 hours now and i have yet to get this crap to work |
| 20:42.43 | directhex | inc|freaky, it's a slight bug in the Depends: on the package. ignore it. |
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| 20:42.52 | BucWheat | will someone please intervene |
| 20:43.08 | jetscreamer | !wayttd BucWheat |
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| 20:43.09 | dpkg | What Are You Trying To Do, BucWheat? |
| 20:43.16 | directhex | inc|freaky, as long as the m-a a-i nvidia ran without a hitch, you're fine |
| 20:43.23 | inc|freaky | directhex: ok, ill just press 'y` now |
| 20:43.23 | Chicago | one more question...i currently have woody 3r4 with 2.2 kernel which is crap in terms of supporting my hardware...if i want to have the current 2.6 kernel, can i still keep woody or do i need to upgrade to sarge or sid? |
| 20:43.30 | BucWheat | i have a perl script that runs a mysql emebedded code to write out table to a file |
| 20:43.36 | inc|freaky | i dont udnerstand what u mean |
| 20:43.41 | BucWheat | the perms on this file is mysql:mysql |
| 20:43.42 | valdyn | !bunk 2.6 |
| 20:43.42 | dpkg | i heard bunk 2.6 is You can't run Linux 2.6 in woody without some newer packages. Get them at http://www.fs.tum.de/~bunk/packages/woody/kernel-26.html or just upgrade to sarge <woody->sarge>. |
| 20:43.48 | jetscreamer | Chicago, you 'can' with woody, ..^^^^ |
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| 20:43.59 | directhex | Chicago, you can run 2.6 on woody with some packported questions, but why bother? |
| 20:44.01 | BucWheat | now before that i have perl system('rm /tmp/file'); this is the file mysql is going to create |
| 20:44.08 | CarlosAlex | FANTASTIC |
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| 20:44.15 | jetscreamer | BucWheat, i have no idea. |
| 20:44.17 | CarlosAlex | Now sound card is working good |
| 20:44.28 | Chicago | well would i be better off with woody or sarge if i'm gonna use the 2.6 kernel |
| 20:44.29 | BucWheat | but instead of apache user removing the file i get permission denied. this is because www-data doesn't have perms to the /tmp/file |
| 20:44.33 | greycat | Chicago: sarge |
| 20:44.38 | Chicago | gotcha |
| 20:44.40 | BucWheat | jetscreamer ok. let me slow down. where did i lose you? |
| 20:44.59 | CarlosAlex | Thanks for all help!!!! |
| 20:45.02 | jetscreamer | in the beginning |
| 20:45.07 | inc|freaky | directhex: it installed the 2 packages successfull ... what do i have to do now? |
| 20:45.10 | Chicago | so i should reformat and do a clean install of sarge or can i apt-get from woody to sarge |
| 20:45.12 | jetscreamer | i know nothing about what you're trying to do |
| 20:45.16 | cheal|ignored | Chicago: don't even think about sid |
| 20:45.18 | Chicago | <<<sorry for being such a n00b |
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| 20:45.22 | Chicago | ok |
| 20:45.23 | inc|freaky | ah, the last step, on emoment |
| 20:45.25 | directhex | Chicago, you can upgrade, if you really want to |
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| 20:45.32 | valdyn | !n00b |
| 20:45.33 | dpkg | Don't bother telling us you're a "newb" or a "n00b". We can tell. |
| 20:45.37 | BucWheat | jetscreamer i'm trying to give mysql users and apache user both access to a dir/files to add/remove at whim |
| 20:45.58 | Chicago | i want minimum hassle, so a clean install of sarge is recommended or hacking woody into sarge? |
| 20:46.17 | directhex | Chicago, do you have anything on woody to preserve? data, configs, whatever? |
| 20:46.23 | Chicago | not really |
| 20:46.26 | jetscreamer | BucWheat, ask somebody else, i'm clueless :/ |
| 20:46.32 | directhex | Chicago, fresh install then. |
| 20:46.33 | directhex | !d-i Chicago |
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| 20:46.34 | dpkg | Chicago, you want to go to http://www.debian.org/devel/debian-installer/ - for your own good, and everyone else's. |
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| 20:46.42 | BucWheat | jetscreamer i have chown mysql:www-data /tmp/dir/ and when www-data tries to delete files that mysql created i get permission denied |
| 20:46.45 | jetscreamer | Chicago, my thought on the matter is clean sarge install |
| 20:46.45 | swanky | hi, i have a gnu linux debian SID - and problem. how to create /etc/init.d/iptables ? dpkg-reconfigure iptables doesnt work |
| 20:46.47 | BucWheat | jetscreamer k |
| 20:47.03 | BucWheat | greycat you alive? |
| 20:47.16 | sepski | swanky, if you dont know iptablesa use a firewall script i'd recomend shorewall |
| 20:47.19 | jetscreamer | BucWheat, you might set the guid on the dir... ls -ld /path/to/dir |
| 20:47.19 | Chicago | i'm pretty experienced with the installation process, believe it or not |
| 20:47.22 | valdyn | !find etc/init.d/iptables |
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| 20:47.30 | directhex | Chicago, sarge has a new installer |
| 20:47.30 | dpkg | Debian Package/File/Desc Search of 'etc/init.d/iptables' returned no results. |
| 20:47.44 | jetscreamer | or set it suid |
| 20:47.46 | Chicago | but i will take the consensus advice and fresh install sarge |
| 20:47.51 | inc|freaky | ok, its doing all that now, im praying |
| 20:47.52 | Chicago | are there torrents of sarge |
| 20:48.04 | swanky | sepski i'd like to use iptables, but i don't want to create init script by myself |
| 20:48.04 | inc|freaky | oh man i love this console stuff |
| 20:48.10 | jetscreamer | Chicago, yeah but i find a straight ftp d/l is faster, ymmv |
| 20:48.11 | inc|freaky | if just that stupid Xserver was runnin :( |
| 20:48.31 | greycat | there are torrents of the sarge full-ISOs but not of the net-install ISO |
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| 20:48.51 | swanky | and i dont know how to create it - i have installed iptables into my system, but it doesnt create /etc/init.d/iptables |
| 20:48.57 | NaturalRoots | have keylogger for debian? |
| 20:49.00 | NaturalRoots | .deb? |
| 20:49.02 | greycat | but of course you couldn't be bothered to search for the word "torrent" on the d-i page. that would be SOOOO hard. |
| 20:49.03 | Chicago | ftp is not a good option for 56k dial up...it may take some time, but bittorrent is always the way to go for me |
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| 20:49.06 | NaturalRoots | or download sourcE? |
| 20:49.15 | Chicago | well thanks for all your help everyone |
| 20:49.21 | sepski | swanky, all the firewall scrips use iptables, they just make it easier |
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| 20:49.38 | BucWheat | jetscreamer this is ls -ld of dir: drwxrwxr-x 2 mysql www-data |
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| 20:50.06 | inc|freaky | didnt work. i have to install the correct kernel-headers first ... |
| 20:50.11 | inc|freaky | doing this right now |
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| 20:50.55 | inc|freaky | it doesnt work :( it cant find the kernel-headers :(((((( |
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| 20:51.45 | daww | When I "mkdir x" in my USB Flash memory that is using FAT "x" is being a file and not a directory, how can i fix this? |
| 20:51.49 | swanky | maybe on the SID debian dosnt exist /etc/init.d/iptables ? |
| 20:51.58 | swanky | who know that? |
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| 20:52.16 | _rene_ | a) it's sid, not SID |
| 20:52.22 | asg | swanky: read the README in /usr/share/doc/iptables |
| 20:52.25 | sepski | swanky there is no /etc/init.d/iptables unless you install a firewall script package that provide that file. |
| 20:52.31 | _rene_ | b) you want to read the iptables debconf messages/README |
| 20:52.31 | sepski | or make one |
| 20:52.32 | drac | swanky: you do, with dpkg -L iptables |
| 20:52.52 | cheal|ignored | inc|freaky: what's "it"? |
| 20:53.00 | inc|freaky | it tell:'( |
| 20:53.00 | inc|freaky | ill give up |
| 20:53.15 | cheal|ignored | what it? |
| 20:53.34 | asg | BucWheat: 1) set the gid bit on the directory, 2) set reasonable umasks for both users. |
| 20:53.42 | inc|freaky | i want linux on my pc but nothing works :( |
| 20:53.42 | drac | inc|freaky: never give up |
| 20:53.44 | drac | or people will tease you whole life! |
| 20:53.52 | inc|freaky | well, i got it working but not X |
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| 20:54.01 | slocate | freenode~dondelelcaro: how does it get populated? |
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| 20:54.14 | inc|freaky | but i dont know what to do now :( |
| 20:54.14 | incorrect | has anyone ever use sasl for system user accounts? |
| 20:54.18 | cheal|ignored | inc|freaky: really? even with nv driver? |
| 20:54.28 | inc|freaky | i cant get them installed :( |
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| 20:54.36 | inc|freaky | thats my problem |
| 20:54.42 | cheal|ignored | nv driver is installed by default with sarge |
| 20:54.44 | inc|freaky | it cant find the kernel-headers even i installed them |
| 20:54.46 | drac | inc|freaky: /msg dpkg nvidia howto |
| 20:54.46 | asg | incorrect: I've uses saslauthd with courier to authenticate via pam to kerberos? |
| 20:54.51 | inc|freaky | nv driver != nvidia driver |
| 20:54.52 | cheal|ignored | you're trying to install the 3D drivers |
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| 20:55.01 | inc|freaky | yea |
| 20:55.04 | cheal|ignored | inc|freaky: exactly |
| 20:55.10 | inc|freaky | cuz the usual nv drivers ton work with my geforce 6600 |
| 20:55.12 | inc|freaky | i think |
| 20:55.22 | cheal|ignored | inc|freaky: and what about vesa& |
| 20:55.27 | ribnitz | can the debian tools handle a deletion of a directory (trying to link against db2, not use the db2 included)? |
| 20:55.32 | cheal|ignored | s/&/? |
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| 20:55.56 | incorrect | asg, i just wanted to find an alternative to nis or the ldap method |
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| 20:56.13 | inc|freaky | i didnt try vesa, but i want the nvidia drivers |
| 20:56.16 | inc|freaky | but the ydont work |
| 20:56.17 | directhex | inc|freaky, update your kernel |
| 20:56.29 | slocate | freenode~dondelelcaro: anywhere to find out how the factoids are collected? |
| 20:56.37 | asg | incorrect: well, pam provides a framework for a number of alternate methods. |
| 20:56.39 | directhex | inc|freaky, sarge comes with 2.6.8-1-foo, you need to update to 2.6.8-2-foo to have kernel headers which work |
| 20:56.40 | inc|freaky | i allready got the newest kernel |
| 20:56.53 | inc|freaky | how to update my kernel? |
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| 20:57.11 | swanky | in /usr/share/doc/iptables i see * removed init.d, /var/lib/iptables, and debconf-ization |
| 20:57.12 | directhex | inc|freaky, apt-get install kernel-image-foo. apt-cache search kernel-image-2.6.8 will show you the options |
| 20:57.26 | inc|freaky | awkay, thx :D |
| 20:57.45 | swanky | so /etc/init.d/iptables exist on debian now or not? |
| 20:57.58 | asg | swanky: read the README file in /usr/share/doc/iptables |
| 20:58.02 | asg | swanky: all is explained in there |
| 20:58.07 | PunkZY | I am looking for HTML parser library for C. Can somebody help me? |
| 20:58.08 | ribnitz | swanky: if you have iptables installed it might |
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| 20:58.27 | ribnitz | PunkZY: #c, #html? |
| 20:58.41 | incorrect | asg, for example, sorry google isn't coming up trumps for me |
| 20:58.47 | brynjarh | In the version number does the number that comes afture a - meen anything special? Example 2.6.8-1 <-- or 2.6.8-2 <-- |
| 20:58.54 | inc|freaky | directhex: do i have to use 386 or 686 with a amd athlon 64 if i dont want to use the 64bit version? |
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| 20:59.13 | buu | Hrm. I installed debian, it auto recognized my sound card and did magic, how do I access the system mixer dealy? |
| 20:59.19 | dvs | inc|freaky: k7 should work too |
| 20:59.22 | asg | incorrect: opie, kerberos, Yale's CAS, etc. |
| 20:59.23 | BucWheat | asg k. thanks i'm looking into that now |
| 20:59.31 | inc|freaky | is k7 better? |
| 20:59.32 | l8rabbit | is there a program that will show stats on disk i/o of a certain directory or process id? |
| 20:59.42 | inc|freaky | i dont want no experiments ;D |
| 20:59.46 | paulswm | inc|freaky: k7 is geared to AMD CPUs |
| 20:59.49 | incorrect | asg, thanks, |
| 20:59.53 | inc|freaky | ah, awkay ;D |
| 20:59.55 | cheal|ignored | brynjarh: it's ABINAME. means that modules compiled for -1 won't work with -2 |
| 21:00.05 | asg | incorrect: also, there are pam modules to support smartcards, usb keys, etc. |
| 21:00.08 | directhex | inc|freaky, k7 i should say |
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| 21:00.13 | swanky | ok thx |
| 21:00.18 | kalila | is it possible to have evolution minimise to the system tray |
| 21:00.20 | inc|freaky | ok, its downloading |
| 21:00.27 | incorrect | asg, i just wanted something simple |
| 21:00.36 | Skaag | I have a box that boots randomly - how do I even begin to trace this? there's nothing in the logs |
| 21:00.41 | jstevens | directions for setting up the suspend-to disk include"edit your linuxrc (or init) script to contain the line: "echo > /proc/software_suspend/do_resume"" wh/ file am I looking for to do this under debian? |
| 21:00.42 | asg | incorrect: nothing more simple than /etc/shadow |
| 21:00.56 | cheal|ignored | Skaag: CPU temp, check fans, check when happens |
| 21:01.00 | ribnitz | Skaag: Load? |
| 21:01.08 | greycat | Skaag: bad power supply or mobo |
| 21:01.09 | ribnitz | Skaag: otherwise some hw problem. |
| 21:01.25 | vpalle | how come vstpd wont let users with there standard shells set to /bin/false login .. i dont want them to be able to login with ssh.. |
| 21:01.27 | cheal|ignored | Skaag: check other OSes if possible |
| 21:01.28 | greycat | (or other loss of power) |
| 21:01.31 | dvs | Skaag: memtest86+ |
| 21:01.35 | kh4nh | anyone know where to get Acrobat Reader 7 |
| 21:01.38 | incorrect | asg, i don't really want to have multiple shadows |
| 21:01.56 | incorrect | asg, last time i rsync'd from a master, but i don't want to do that again |
| 21:02.01 | paulswm | kh4nh: from the Adobe site I expect |
| 21:02.01 | Skaag | ribnitz: How can load affect it? it does look like it reboots when the load is high |
| 21:02.03 | ribnitz | kh4nh: theit website? |
| 21:02.08 | cheal|ignored | kh4nh: acrobat.com |
| 21:02.13 | paulswm | Heh |
| 21:02.13 | greycat | Skaag: bad mobo then. |
| 21:02.14 | Skaag | cheal|ignored: I tried to find out the cpu temp but was unable to |
| 21:02.17 | kh4nh | no, they only have version 5 |
| 21:02.25 | cheal|ignored | Skaag: did you try lm-sensors? |
| 21:02.25 | asg | incorrect: hmmmm |
| 21:02.31 | Skaag | yes |
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| 21:02.36 | cheal|ignored | kh4nh: so don't look for version 7 |
| 21:02.41 | ribnitz | Skaag: Processor heating up, bad ventilation, processor turning off at a certain temp? |
| 21:02.41 | incorrect | asg, i thought sasl was easy to admin, |
| 21:02.48 | asg | jstevens: read /etc/init.d/README, /etc/init.d/skeleton, etc. |
| 21:02.53 | ribnitz | Skaag: hat that here for like 2 weeks. |
| 21:02.54 | kh4nh | i am talking about version 7 beta here, they have it up for while and pulled it down |
| 21:02.59 | takatumi | Skaag: using acpi? |
| 21:03.01 | asg | incorrect: from all reports, sasl is like Pandora's box. |
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| 21:03.16 | nvz | well I guess I should do more testing of existing live cds before I try figure out how to make one :P |
| 21:03.20 | incorrect | asg, oh |
| 21:03.29 | ribnitz | kh4nh: googkle would kknow? |
| 21:03.29 | asg | nvz: man bootcd |
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| 21:03.38 | asg | nvz: the easiest way to make a livecd ever. |
| 21:03.50 | nvz | asg: yeah I got vmware I am trying to get a system that will fit on a cd.. |
| 21:03.52 | lightbright | is there anyway to do a bootable software raid with knoppix hd install? |
| 21:03.54 | incorrect | asg, i found a fairly easy to follow slap method, but got to do the investigation into other methods |
| 21:04.07 | inc|freaky | what do i have to do after isntalling that kernel-image? |
| 21:04.07 | asg | incorrect: ah, okay. Good luck in your search. |
| 21:04.07 | ribnitz | lightbright: ->#knoppix |
| 21:04.11 | nvz | asg: I need to figure out specifically what to do in setting up the system |
| 21:04.12 | directhex | lightbright, ask #knoppix |
| 21:04.22 | lightbright | oops... thanks. |
| 21:04.22 | kh4nh | ribnitz: i have done that, but there's no sight of it |
| 21:04.29 | asg | nvz: okay |
| 21:04.33 | directhex | !start a badger war |
| 21:04.33 | dpkg | FieldySnuts are worse than snakes |
| 21:04.36 | nvz | asg: as far as users, fstab, compressed voulmes.. etc |
| 21:04.40 | nvz | initrd |
| 21:04.41 | jstevens | kh4nh, xpdf not work for you? |
| 21:04.44 | inc|freaky | do i have to restart? |
| 21:04.48 | asg | nvz: ah |
| 21:04.51 | lightbright | i've done it with sarge. |
| 21:04.52 | ribnitz | kh4nh: Îs there anything in acroread that xpdf cant do and that you need? |
| 21:04.53 | jstevens | kh4nh, apt-cache search xpdf |
| 21:04.53 | kh4nh | not really |
| 21:04.55 | lightbright | thanks. |
| 21:05.00 | inc|freaky | brb, ill restart |
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| 21:05.04 | incorrect | asg, ty |
| 21:05.10 | ribnitz | jstevens: doesnt do forms, eg. |
| 21:05.24 | nvz | asg: going to try make a live cd so simple my grandma could use it, and maybe try make a custom set of package cds to complement it if its installed to hd |
| 21:05.43 | dvs | inc|freaky: new kernel? absolutely |
| 21:06.04 | nvz | asg: while I got vmware here, I might as well try something different |
| 21:06.26 | Skaag | ribnitz: What did you do to fix it? |
| 21:06.32 | asg | nvz: true |
| 21:06.39 | Skaag | takatumi: I think the board has ACPI enabled but how do I use it? |
| 21:06.49 | ribnitz | Skaag: cleaned the case. ventilation was clogged. |
| 21:06.57 | Skaag | ouch |
| 21:07.03 | Skaag | so it might be heating... :-( |
| 21:07.08 | takatumi | Skaag: dmesg will confirm, check temp here /proc/acpi/thermal_zone/THRM/temperature |
| 21:07.31 | Skaag | I don't have thermal_zone under /proc/acpi/ |
| 21:07.58 | Skaag | damnit |
| 21:08.08 | lightbright | how do i access the boot log? |
| 21:08.18 | greycat | !wikifaq TroubleShooting |
| 21:08.18 | dpkg | Try http://www.linuks.mine.nu/debian-faq-wiki/TroubleShooting or if that doesn't work, http://www.linuks.mine.nu/debian-faq-wiki/ |
| 21:08.20 | dvs | dmesg |
| 21:08.26 | jstevens | lightbright, dmesg |
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| 21:08.31 | l8rabbit | or /var/log/dmesg |
| 21:08.33 | lightbright | thanks. |
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| 21:09.14 | lightbright | I've been on a project trying to get it to work on either pure debian or knoppix. i'm so close. |
| 21:09.56 | cheal|ignored | Skaag: what's the problem with lm-sensors? |
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| 21:10.13 | ribnitz | are there any sid sources for XFCE4? |
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| 21:10.29 | nvz | asg: have you ever done a hd-install from one of those bootcd live cds? |
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| 21:10.46 | asg | nvz: yep, that's how install my blade servers |
| 21:11.04 | nvz | asg: do they run you through a base-config or something to get you situated adding users and stuff? |
| 21:11.10 | tyia | what's The Debian Way<tm> to set the default editor? |
| 21:11.15 | cheal|ignored | !info xfce4 sid |
| 21:11.15 | asg | nvz: no, I wrote a shell script to do that |
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| 21:11.22 | dpkg | xfce4: (Installs XFce4 core and scripts to set it up), section x11, is optional. Version: 4.0.5-1 (sid), Packaged size: 4 kB, Installed size: 17 kB |
| 21:11.30 | ribnitz | asg: do i see it correctly, the benefit of a blade is basically its size? |
| 21:11.33 | asg | tyia: set your EDITOR variable or use sensible-editor |
| 21:11.44 | asg | ribnitz: yes, I can get 14 in a 3u chassis. |
| 21:12.02 | ribnitz | cheal|ignored: I use 4.2 atm. |
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| 21:12.17 | directhex | ribnitz, yes there are sid sources for 4.2 |
| 21:12.28 | directhex | ribnitz, os-works.de, something like thaty |
| 21:12.31 | Yes_Yes | i want to create a reiser4 partition and install sid on it...does debian support this? |
| 21:12.40 | ribnitz | directhex: they are for sarge. |
| 21:12.42 | nvz | asg: I could maybe use zenity.. I was just looking at that.. I havent checked it out yet.. but it says you can use it to make gtk+ stuff for shell scripts |
| 21:12.43 | greycat | Yes_Yes: debootstrap |
| 21:12.56 | ribnitz | Yes_Yes: nope. |
| 21:13.00 | asg | nvz: yes, zenity or dialog (if you want curses) |
| 21:13.11 | tyia | asg: well, I actually want to know how to change the default (which is nano, yuck) after debootstrap |
| 21:13.20 | asg | tyia: man update-alternatives |
| 21:13.22 | ribnitz | Yes_Yes: or lets put it thusly: not the default debian kernel with the d-i |
| 21:13.23 | greycat | Oh my. zapw in #gift. |
| 21:13.34 | asg | hehe |
| 21:13.43 | Yes_Yes | so what's the workaround |
| 21:13.59 | greycat | !debootstrap |
| 21:13.59 | dpkg | extra, extra, read all about it, debootstrap is <caphuso> get the debootstrap source from http://packages.debian.org/, compile it, read the man page, install debian with it </caphuso>. Useful for installing in a chroot. Also ask me about <chroot install> |
| 21:14.00 | tyia | asg: saw that already, I'm afraid it wasn't that enlightening (or I'm just plain stupid) |
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| 21:14.09 | inc|freaky | ok, i gave up. back on linux. |
| 21:14.14 | ribnitz | Yes_Yes: use reiser3, or rol your own. |
| 21:14.19 | inc|freaky | ill try again in a few months when my hardware is supported |
| 21:14.29 | directhex | inc|freaky, erm... what? |
| 21:14.31 | Yes_Yes | ok |
| 21:14.36 | directhex | inc|freaky, did you reboot intpo the new kernel? |
| 21:14.42 | inc|freaky | Yes_Yes: i did |
| 21:14.45 | takatumi | inc|freaky: persist and you'll get through. |
| 21:14.50 | nvz | asg: what I want and what I need are two different things in this project |
| 21:14.55 | directhex | inc|freaky, and when you ran m-a a-i nvidia? |
| 21:14.58 | tyia | asg: ah, found it |
| 21:15.01 | inc|freaky | but it says "bad luck, your kernel headers for this kernel could not be found" |
| 21:15.02 | ribnitz | Yes_Yes: not that I particularly like any of the reisers, they are immature.. |
| 21:15.04 | asg | tyia: basically, update-alternatives --config editor |
| 21:15.14 | Rambo3 | ok new Xcong just turns screen plack sctr+alt+del does nothing. what to do , i cant get x to work |
| 21:15.15 | tyia | asg: the --config option is undocumented in the man page |
| 21:15.17 | asg | nvz: as they often are ;) |
| 21:15.17 | directhex | !info kernel-headers-2.6.8-2-k7 |
| 21:15.20 | dpkg | kernel-headers-2.6.8-2-k7: (Linux kernel headers 2.6.8 on AMD K7), section devel, is optional. Version: 2.6.8-13 (sid), Packaged size: 248 kB, Installed size: 16472 kB |
| 21:15.27 | tyia | asg: should file a bug... |
| 21:15.39 | asg | tyia: When using the --config option, update-alternatives will list all of the choices for the link group of which given name is the master link. |
| 21:15.46 | directhex | inc|freaky, if you installed kernel-image-2.6.8-2-k7 as suggested, then the kernel headers _CAN_ be found. |
| 21:15.48 | Yes_Yes | ribnitz...what's the best fs for debian then |
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| 21:15.49 | asg | tyia: that's from a sid box though. |
| 21:16.01 | inc|freaky | well, i did everything like u said |
| 21:16.06 | inc|freaky | and it couldnt find them |
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| 21:16.19 | Skaag | cheal|ignored: I ran sensors-detect and it found an lm85 and eeprom |
| 21:16.19 | directhex | inc|freaky, what does 'uname -r' say? |
| 21:16.24 | takatumi | inc|freaky: then you are definitely doing something wrong |
| 21:16.26 | ribnitz | Yes_Yes: that depends on what you use it for, I personally have ext3, xfs and jfs partitions. |
| 21:16.30 | Skaag | cheal|ignored: But that's all it found |
| 21:16.32 | inc|freaky | it said 2.6.8-2 |
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| 21:16.37 | tyia | asg: yes, but I din't spot it... it's not listed in ACTIONS |
| 21:16.45 | inc|freaky | im currently under windows |
| 21:16.47 | nvz | this packagesearch is a good idea, but its pretty sluggish and the interface is butt-ugly |
| 21:16.52 | FieldySnuts | ravenbird: spank Phated |
| 21:17.00 | directhex | inc|freaky, great. sarge will _NEVER_ support your card, you know |
| 21:17.00 | FieldySnuts | oh yeah. |
| 21:17.01 | justin | !+info kernel-image-2.6.8-2 |
| 21:17.02 | dpkg | Package 'kernel-image-2.6.8-2' does not exist. |
| 21:17.05 | asg | tyia: it is in this manpage (9th item down) |
| 21:17.28 | cheal|ignored | Skaag: hum...ok, check http://secure.netroedge.com/~lm78/ to see if you're supported |
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| 21:17.31 | directhex | inc|freaky, either take help as it's offered, or don't even bother starting. going 90% of the way then giving up is frustrating for everyone concerned. |
| 21:17.33 | asg | tyia: are you using woody or sarge? |
| 21:18.12 | starfishy | i have a debian mirror, which about twice as big as debian site says it should be |
| 21:18.27 | starfishy | I mirror debian sid for i386 and the mirror is about 35GB |
| 21:18.27 | takatumi | Skaag: any acpi errors in dmesg? |
| 21:18.28 | tyia | asg: I'm using a semi-unupdated sid |
| 21:18.29 | inc|freaky | directhex: :( ok ... ill reboot in a moment |
| 21:18.44 | tycon_ | anyone knows if it is possible to switch to a new kernel image without rebooting? |
| 21:18.46 | asg | tyia: ah, woody + sid (bobbitt box) |
| 21:18.47 | starfishy | the debian site states that it should be ~8GB for each -i386 and -all |
| 21:18.53 | starfishy | so, less than 20G |
| 21:18.54 | asg | tyia: yeah, woody's manpage is lacking in that respect. |
| 21:19.01 | ribnitz | starfishy: use apt-proxy if its for a local network. |
| 21:19.11 | xam | starfishy: I have a mirror for debian/testing x86, binary only, that takes about 9GB |
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| 21:19.17 | Delph | tycon_: depends how you go about doing it. |
| 21:19.26 | tyia | asg: anyhow, thanks a lot |
| 21:19.31 | asg | tyia: you're welcome |
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| 21:19.35 | starfishy | yeah, 9GB sounds about right |
| 21:19.47 | justin | starfishy: maybe you should like, see what is taking up all that space? |
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| 21:19.53 | Delph | tycon_: eg, if you run your machines in a Xen system, or some other hypervisor like thing, then you can move the virtual machines to another box, reboot the kernel, then move the processes back. |
| 21:19.56 | starfishy | the reason I run a full mirror is that I do a lot of testing and the DSL connection is not very fast |
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| 21:20.20 | starfishy | i found that the pool directory has two or three versions of the same packages |
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| 21:20.23 | Delph | tycon_: but a common or garden install will need a reboot. |
| 21:20.33 | ribnitz | starfishy: I have a local mirror of debian, and I use apt-proxy. |
| 21:20.35 | sepski | starfishy, your sure your not mirroring every version of every package that have been in the repo ?? |
| 21:20.40 | starfishy | but in the anonftpsync script everything non-sid is excluded |
| 21:20.43 | tycon_ | Delph: ok that was what i was talking about :) |
| 21:20.59 | xam | starfishy: of course, pool contains the versions for stable, testing and unstable |
| 21:21.01 | justin | starfishy: use debmirror |
| 21:21.27 | starfishy | pool at the debian site does, but the anonftpsync script should only sync the stuff it needs |
| 21:21.35 | cafuego | starfishy: 'apt-proxy' will make your life easier and uses up WAY less space (both disk and bandwidth). |
| 21:21.44 | xultz | hello guys, I am using Debian Woody and I want to run bittorrent. I downloaded it from the official site, but when I try to run it it gives some erros (I think its something about python). I installed all packages related to python but the same error continues. Can someone please help me? |
| 21:21.47 | starfishy | i will look at apt-proxy |
| 21:22.04 | xam | x |
| 21:22.05 | takatumi | inc|freaky: you could install irssi-text and get on #debian without X, would help to sort out problems better. |
| 21:22.09 | starfishy | hadnt heard of that one so far |
| 21:22.11 | starfishy | thanks :) |
| 21:22.22 | PerfDave | <PROTECTED> |
| 21:22.25 | xam | starfishy: I've written my own script ... works quite well |
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| 21:23.03 | starfishy | xam: that was the next thing I was going to do but Ill try apt-proxy first |
| 21:23.36 | Imh0teP | hey, is it possible to reinstall the "tar" package. Because dpkg won't work (because it needs tar) and so does apt-get |
| 21:23.38 | cafuego | starfishy: It basically mirrors packages as you request them (so run apt-get upgrade at night). |
| 21:23.53 | cafuego | starfishy: That means it *only* fetches packages you use. |
| 21:24.04 | starfishy | yeah, i figured from reading the docs |
| 21:24.14 | starfishy | but that's precisely what I don't want |
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| 21:24.17 | Skaag | Ok this is what i2cdetect -l gives me: i2c-0 unknown SMBus I801 adapter at c400 Algorithm unavailable |
| 21:24.18 | inc|freaky | takatumi: i did that allread y;) |
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| 21:24.33 | starfishy | i want all the packages available on my mirror so I can install them fast |
| 21:24.37 | grigora | does anyone know how to create an initrd image to load the root file system off of a RAID1 mirror? TIA |
| 21:24.53 | starfishy | and if I use apt-proxy i would have to have all packages installed to do that |
| 21:25.02 | starfishy | which obviously is not possible |
| 21:25.12 | starfishy | so, ill have to write my own mirror script |
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| 21:25.25 | xam | starfishy: here at the office we have something like 30 debian PCs, exactly for that reason I installed the mirror |
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| 21:25.37 | directhex | Skaag, erm... what's wrong with installing lm-sensors and then running sensors-detect? |
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| 21:25.58 | FieldySnuts | anyone know of a nice squid logfile analyser that can generate fancy reports in html with graphics (for management.. cough)? I used to use SRG but it used up insane ammounts of ram and disk space, and was slow. |
| 21:26.01 | starfishy | xam: mind if I have a look at your script? |
| 21:26.19 | asg | FieldySnuts: calamaris maybe |
| 21:26.23 | inc|freaky | k, im rebooting ;) |
| 21:26.28 | ribnitz | FieldySnuts: LIRE? |
| 21:26.58 | directhex | FieldySnuts, logwatch and a perl script? |
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| 21:27.27 | FieldySnuts | asg: heard of that, pretty sure I tried it, forget why I dumped it, i'll look again thanks |
| 21:27.29 | atrus | apt-get update says about the mirror I use: "unstable Release: The following signatures couldn't be verified because the public key is not available: NO_PUBKEY F1D53D8C4F368D5D". Do I have a reason to be concerned? Is there some configuration I need to change? Is the mirror just broken? |
| 21:27.40 | xam | starfish: /msg nickserv info xam |
| 21:27.45 | FieldySnuts | ribnitz: haven't heard of that one i'll look |
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| 21:27.47 | asg | FieldySnuts: you're welcome. |
| 21:27.51 | Skaag | directhex: that's the thing - it doesn't seem to know this sensor |
| 21:27.58 | jstevens | I'm still unable to find how to make sure that boot creates a specific /proc on bootup |
| 21:28.02 | FieldySnuts | directhex: i'll take a look into that |
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| 21:28.14 | directhex | Skaag, is it something properietary like the abit 3rd eye crap? |
| 21:28.23 | Skaag | it's an Intel motherboard |
| 21:28.24 | asg | jstevens: man 5 sysctl.conf |
| 21:28.24 | octavious | how do i configure debian to display a fortune as opposed to /etc/motd on the opening of a login shell? |
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| 21:28.38 | JoshH | octavious: add fortune to your .bash_profile |
| 21:28.39 | Skaag | Intel D915GUX |
| 21:28.42 | inc|freaky | ok, back under debian |
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| 21:28.47 | directhex | inc|freaky, uname -r |
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| 21:29.00 | Imh0teP | hey, is it possible to reinstall the "tar" package. Because dpkg won't work (because it needs tar) and so does apt-get |
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| 21:29.06 | inc|freaky | 2.6.8-2-k7 :) |
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| 21:29.09 | greycat | apt-get --reinstall install tar |
| 21:29.12 | goron | I need to unload and recompile the nvidia driver everytime I want to startx if I want 3d hardware accelleration. This is not very efficient. *understatement* Can anyone diagnose the problem? I am using 2.6.9 and unstable. |
| 21:29.14 | directhex | inc|freaky, so NOW m-a a-i nvidia |
| 21:29.20 | Imh0teP | greycat: apt-get won't work |
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| 21:29.27 | greycat | Imh0teP: HOW did you break tar> |
| 21:29.27 | octavious | JoshH: will that only fix it on a user basis? |
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| 21:29.30 | asg | octavious: replace the motd code in $(grep -r motd /etc/init.d) with a call to /usr/games/fortune |
| 21:29.31 | directhex | goron, yes, i can diagnose the problem. it's not polite. |
| 21:29.33 | Blissex | octavious: the '/etc/motd' is displayed by the 'login' program, while you can display fortunes by adding 'fortune' to the shell profile setup as someone said |
| 21:29.35 | cheal|ignored | goron: echo "nvidia" >> /etc/modules |
| 21:29.37 | NitroFish | xam: need to register my nick first |
| 21:29.39 | Imh0teP | greycat: it segfaults at the install process |
| 21:29.47 | inc|freaky | bad luck. the kernel headers for this kernel could not be found ... |
| 21:29.47 | JoshH | octavious: yes, if you use another shell you will have to add fortune to that shells startup file |
| 21:29.51 | directhex | goron, step one, don't motherfucking use motherfucking nvidia-motherfucking-installer |
| 21:29.52 | goron | cheal|ignored: It's already in there. |
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| 21:29.56 | greycat | Imh0teP: what makes you think it's because of tar? |
| 21:29.59 | directhex | inc|freaky, erm... apt-get update |
| 21:30.08 | Blissex | Imh0teP: not diifficult, just download the 'tar' dpkg', unpack it. |
| 21:30.09 | Imh0teP | greycat: it says it's because of tar |
| 21:30.12 | inc|freaky | nothing updated. |
| 21:30.23 | directhex | !info kernel-headers-2.6.8-2-k7 sarge |
| 21:30.25 | Imh0teP | greycat: and i can't make any tar files |
| 21:30.26 | xam | NitroFish: http://www.cs.ucc.ie/~xam/update_mirror |
| 21:30.26 | dpkg | kernel-headers-2.6.8-2-k7: (Linux kernel headers 2.6.8 on AMD K7), section devel, is optional. Version: 2.6.8-13 (sarge), Packaged size: 248 kB, Installed size: 16472 kB |
| 21:30.26 | greycat | !VAGUENESS |
| 21:30.26 | dpkg | VAGUENESS MAKES THE BABY PENGUINS CRY! |
| 21:30.28 | octavious | JoshH: I want it to display for every user, is there a configuration file somewhere? |
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| 21:30.41 | inc|freaky | do i have to install them? |
| 21:30.41 | JoshH | octavious: if they all use bash, /etc/profile |
| 21:30.48 | starfishy | xan: thank you :) |
| 21:30.52 | octavious | ok thanks i'll check it out |
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| 21:30.52 | cheal|ignored | goron: what does startx if you don't recompile? |
| 21:30.54 | goron | directhex: Can you point me to some source that explains how exactly I need to install it the Debian way. I tried a couple of months ago, but I had to use a stockkernel(which doesn't support my hardware). |
| 21:31.01 | JoshH | k |
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| 21:31.05 | directhex | inc|freaky, try apt-get install kernel-headers-$(uname -r) |
| 21:31.06 | Imh0teP | Blissex: i don't get it what do you mean by downloading 'tar' 'dpkg' |
| 21:31.10 | goron | cheal|ignored: It says Caught Signal 11 |
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| 21:31.14 | PerfDave | goron: /msg dpkg nvidia-howto |
| 21:31.17 | asg | greycat: ah, the really nice and fuzzy error messages. |
| 21:31.19 | greycat | Imh0teP: packages.debian.org/tar |
| 21:31.22 | directhex | !tell goron about non-free sources |
| 21:31.27 | directhex | !tell goron about quick sid/sarge mix |
| 21:31.31 | directhex | !tell goron about nvidia howto |
| 21:31.34 | directhex | !tell goron about nvidia one-liner |
| 21:31.36 | inc|freaky | its downloading :D |
| 21:31.37 | greycat | heh |
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| 21:32.07 | goron | directhex: I know non-free sucks. I compiled nvidia like with every kernel and that takes time and sucks. |
| 21:32.16 | greycat | too bad "tell" is a special bot built-in and can' be enhanced |
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| 21:32.25 | inc|freaky | directhex: you rule !! :DD it works :DD |
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| 21:32.36 | PerfDave | greycat: Without patching the bot ;) |
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| 21:32.47 | xam | starfishy: I've written some cleaned up/better version of it, but never gotten around to actually publish it |
| 21:32.49 | directhex | inc|freaky, good. when it's done, dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xfree86, tell it to use 'nvidia' not 'nv' |
| 21:32.51 | asg | PerfDave: we can bribe dondelelcaro |
| 21:33.20 | gridline | !tell gridline about nvidia one-liner |
| 21:33.25 | directhex | goron, you have udev installed. |
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| 21:33.35 | asg | gridline: you can also /msg dpkg <factoid> |
| 21:33.36 | modeman | whats the command to eliminate the annoying beep in xterm ? |
| 21:33.42 | asg | modeman: /msg dpkg bell |
| 21:33.50 | inc|freaky | directhex: i did that. it asks me for a bus-identifier for my graphic card ... can i leave that empty? |
| 21:34.01 | modeman | what about in shell ? |
| 21:34.04 | LuCkYaN | what's cmd to close? |
| 21:34.10 | asg | modeman: the latter part of said factoid |
| 21:34.11 | valdyn | inc|freaky: yes |
| 21:34.12 | directhex | inc|freaky, yes. |
| 21:34.15 | LuCkYaN | /etc/apache2/httpd.conf:50: <?php> was not closed. |
| 21:34.17 | inc|freaky | ok |
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| 21:34.19 | Skaag | ok "i2cdetect 0" shows me i2c devices in places that the chart on the i2cdetect pages does not know about |
| 21:34.21 | Skaag | how shitty |
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| 21:35.15 | modeman | on command line, the annoying beep, not in irc |
| 21:35.27 | asg | !bell |
| 21:35.27 | dpkg | rumour has it, bell is "xset b off" in X, or "setterm -blength 0" in console |
| 21:35.34 | modeman | aha! |
| 21:35.37 | modeman | gracious |
| 21:35.40 | asg | modeman: the former is for commandline in X, the latter for commandline in console |
| 21:35.43 | asg | ffs |
| 21:35.46 | cafuego | Aah, fresh new kernel. |
| 21:35.49 | inc|freaky | GUYS I LOVE YOU!! :DDDD IT WORKS :DDDDD |
| 21:35.53 | modeman | understood and thanks |
| 21:36.10 | modeman | still there.... |
| 21:36.24 | inc|freaky | directhex: would u still need a shell on a server with a 100Mbit/s line? also debian installed ;) 1Gig RAM, AMD Athlon 64 ;) |
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| 21:36.37 | directhex | inc|freaky, no. |
| 21:36.49 | inc|freaky | ok :) just wanted to be thankful :D |
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| 21:36.58 | directhex | inc|freaky, and see, you weren't far off having it working |
| 21:37.19 | cafuego | it was just a matter of reading what the screen said. |
| 21:37.24 | goron | directhex: I have. This m-a-a-i command or whatever actually works without borks. I will restart X and see what happens. Thanks. |
| 21:37.36 | modeman | <PROTECTED> |
| 21:37.40 | inc|freaky | directhex: right. hehe ... now i want to have kde working it puts me into gnome ... ill try to find out how myself hehe. |
| 21:37.49 | nvz | asg: there is apperently an xdialog package as well,does GTK+ dialogs |
| 21:38.01 | roo9 | is there a way to find out how many bytes have been sent over a particular tcp link? |
| 21:38.17 | inc|freaky | directhex: do i have to remove the sid sources now? |
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| 21:38.28 | bassinboy | <PROTECTED> |
| 21:38.32 | inc|freaky | or, comment them out so a apt-get upgrade && apt-get dist-upgrade doesnt upgrade to sid? |
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| 21:38.46 | directhex | inc|freaky, that's what the apt.conf file was for. |
| 21:38.50 | nvz | though zenity I figure any idiot can learn in 2 minutes from the manpage. Xdialog is a bit tricky looks like xmessage on steriods |
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| 21:39.04 | inc|freaky | directhex: to remove them ? |
| 21:39.09 | directhex | inc|freaky, you will only install sid versions of packages if 1) sarge versions don't exist or 2) you say "-t unstable" in the apt-get line |
| 21:39.22 | directhex | inc|freaky, otherwise you'll stay on sarge, nice & comfy |
| 21:39.23 | inc|freaky | aw, kewl :D |
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| 21:39.29 | inc|freaky | ok, thx :DD |
| 21:39.38 | inc|freaky | im so happy this is working :D |
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| 21:39.54 | cld | hello:) sed: how to prefix all lines in file by "word" ? sed 's/.*/word../' file ? how to make this works ? |
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| 21:40.19 | cheal|ignored | inc|freaky: keeping sid sources will only slow down your apt-get update -s |
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| 21:40.56 | valdyn | cld: sed s/^/word/ |
| 21:41.18 | directhex | cheal|ignored, true, but removing the sources mean those packages don#'t get updated anymore |
| 21:41.21 | Anaujiram | damn i just recompilled a new 2.6.10 kernel and it wont boot giving me a kernel panic : unable to mount root fs on unknow_block(0,0) |
| 21:41.35 | Anaujiram | anybody got a clue of what is my problem |
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| 21:41.53 | cafuego | Anaujiram: It need a root=/dev/foo parameter. |
| 21:42.00 | nvz | Anaujiram: you forgot to compile IDE/SCSI/FS drivers |
| 21:42.02 | valdyn | Anaujiram: you didnt compile in ide driver and/or fs driver |
| 21:42.10 | Anaujiram | i did |
| 21:42.14 | Anaujiram | both of those |
| 21:42.17 | Anaujiram | what else |
| 21:42.20 | ribnitz | Anaujiram: as module? |
| 21:42.24 | Anaujiram | yes |
| 21:42.30 | greycat | That is why you fail. |
| 21:42.33 | cafuego | Anaujiram: Set up the correct initrd. |
| 21:42.34 | ribnitz | Anaujiram: inirdß |
| 21:42.35 | nvz | <PROTECTED> |
| 21:42.39 | valdyn | Anaujiram: compiling as module is not compiling in |
| 21:42.46 | Anaujiram | damn |
| 21:42.48 | valdyn | Anaujiram: thats why its not called the same |
| 21:42.53 | cheal|ignored | directhex: about that, I have a sid/sarge mix and would like to control how much stuff stays unstable. do you know how to list installed packages which didn't come from sid (which version higher than sarge's) |
| 21:42.54 | Anaujiram | i got no initrd either |
| 21:43.02 | nvz | Anaujiram: you are screwed :P |
| 21:43.07 | zahod | is it realatively easy to modify what packages d-i will install, and perhaps add a couple of dotfiles? if so, is there any howto or similar? |
| 21:43.11 | inc|freaky | ive never used debian on a system with a monitor ;) does debian have any tool like mandrake control center or something? |
| 21:43.19 | directhex | cheal|ignored, i don't know of an easy way, no. a perl script wrapped to apt-cache policy? |
| 21:43.22 | greycat | inc|freaky: gods no. |
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| 21:43.25 | greycat | and thank GOD for that. |
| 21:43.25 | cafuego | Anaujiram: Noot your old kernel, fiox the new one. |
| 21:43.30 | cafuego | s/Noot/Boot/ |
| 21:43.31 | ribnitz | inc|freaky: aptitude.. |
| 21:43.33 | PerfDave | zahod: Yes, and yes. Google for "preseed sarge install". |
| 21:43.35 | resiak | inc|freaky: Synaptic |
| 21:43.39 | cheal|ignored | directhex: yeah...I don't know perl yet though :) |
| 21:43.43 | nvz | zahod: d-i installs base system |
| 21:43.50 | resiak | inc|freaky: Or just plain apt-get. We're better than Mandrake :-) |
| 21:43.51 | buht-work | is there an apt source for the debian security sources via FTP? I'm asking because http no longer works for me.. my company's proxy server for some reason allows me to use things like IE with the proxy server configuration script.. i think the whole configuration script thing is causing problems with APT cause its linux? any ideas? |
| 21:43.53 | inc|freaky | where i can change the graphical login stuff, cuz i want to boot into kde ;) and what kde version does sarge have? |
| 21:44.03 | cheal|ignored | APT GUIs aren't mdk control center |
| 21:44.06 | Anaujiram | ok well c ya got to shut down this god damn xp |
| 21:44.06 | Anaujiram | :P |
| 21:44.07 | greycat | inc|freaky: packages.debian.org/kde |
| 21:44.07 | nvz | zahod: base-config runs you through setting up apt and installing addituional packages with tasksel or aptitude |
| 21:44.10 | inc|freaky | resiak: yea, i always loved debian for my server ;) |
| 21:44.17 | cafuego | inc|freaky: /j #debian-kde and check the topic for detailed instructions. |
| 21:44.18 | jetscreamer | zahod, man debconf priority, or rather readup on it at http://www.debian.org/devel/debian-installer/ |
| 21:44.23 | nvz | zahod: thats after you've installed debian and rebooted from the hd |
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| 21:44.27 | valdyn | !info kdebase sarge |
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| 21:44.30 | ribnitz | buht-work: use the companys proxy server? |
| 21:44.30 | Blissex | buht-work: as a rule the same URL works as either FTP or HTTP for most mirrors. |
| 21:44.30 | dpkg | kdebase: (KDE Base metapackage), section kde, is optional. Version: 4:3.3.2-1 (sarge), Packaged size: 19 kB, Installed size: 48 kB |
| 21:44.31 | modeman | inc|freaky: install xdm |
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| 21:44.35 | greycat | !wikifaq InstallKde |
| 21:44.35 | dpkg | Try http://www.linuks.mine.nu/debian-faq-wiki/InstallKde or if that doesn't work, http://www.linuks.mine.nu/debian-faq-wiki/ |
| 21:44.39 | buht-work | ribnitz: thats whats not working |
| 21:44.42 | cheal|ignored | inc|freaky: I think the answer to your question is no. you can compensate with KDE, gnome tools and in last resort webmin |
| 21:44.52 | simonrvn | configure-debian is porbably the closest, but that doesn't do it justice. it's a frontend for running dpkg-reconfigure foo |
| 21:44.55 | buht-work | Blissex: it didnt for the debian security tree |
| 21:45.04 | greycat | cheal|ignored: I'd rather "compensate" by having a brain. |
| 21:45.04 | buht-work | ill try that again |
| 21:45.12 | zahod | nvz, I'm thinking about making a customised iso for an introduction to debian I'm about to write |
| 21:45.15 | simonrvn | and all curses + dialog ;) |
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| 21:45.29 | cheal|ignored | inc|freaky: and if this insufficient you can check specific tools for each thing to configure |
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| 21:45.30 | ribnitz | greycat: then webmin seems the right tool for you. :) |
| 21:45.38 | simonrvn | eeew |
| 21:45.40 | nvz | zahod: I am about to do the same. I am setting up a debian system in VMware workstation I am going to run bootcd on |
| 21:45.45 | buht-work | Blissex: Err ftp://security.debian.org testing/updates/main Packages |
| 21:45.45 | buht-work | <PROTECTED> |
| 21:45.46 | inc|freaky | debian is kewl ;D i just dont like gnome ... how can i change to kde? kde is installed |
| 21:45.55 | greycat | !wikifaq InstallKde |
| 21:45.55 | inc|freaky | thx for all your great help! :D |
| 21:45.55 | dpkg | Try http://www.linuks.mine.nu/debian-faq-wiki/InstallKde or if that doesn't work, http://www.linuks.mine.nu/debian-faq-wiki/ |
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| 21:46.08 | greycat | looks like I need to make a 2-variable version. |
| 21:46.12 | stew | yeah |
| 21:46.20 | buht-work | ribnitz: the company proxy server uses an automatic configuration script... which apparently works well with IE but not APT or whatever client apt uses |
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| 21:46.24 | greycat | dpkg, forget CMD: wikifaq (.*?) |
| 21:46.24 | dpkg | i forgot CMD: wikifaq (.*?), greycat |
| 21:46.28 | simonrvn | funkay |
| 21:46.38 | resiak | cafuego: 21:44 [freenode] -!- Topic for #debian-kde: < JasonBox> I make that kind of pr0n myself |
| 21:46.46 | greycat | dpkg, wikifaq $1 $2 is <reply> $1: check out http://www.linuks.mine.nu/debian-faq-wiki/$2 or if that doesn't work, try http://www.linuks.mine.nu/debian-faq-wiki/ |
| 21:46.46 | dpkg | okay, greycat |
| 21:46.46 | ribnitz | buht-work: then use ftp |
| 21:46.56 | inc|freaky | brb, reboot :) |
| 21:46.58 | bucky | inc|freaky, update-alternatives --config x-window-manager |
| 21:46.58 | greycat | !wikifaq inc|freaky InstallKde |
| 21:46.59 | dpkg | inc|freaky: check out http://www.linuks.mine.nu/debian-faq-wiki/InstallKde or if that doesn't work, try http://www.linuks.mine.nu/debian-faq-wiki/ |
| 21:47.04 | buht-work | ribnitz: thought i just pasted that failure to Blissex? or does debian security only host "stable" ? |
| 21:47.05 | goron | directhex: I just did every command. The result is exactly the same after a reboot. A Server Caught Signal 11. |
| 21:47.09 | simonrvn | nice |
| 21:47.13 | cafuego | buht-work: proxy-autoconf is javascript, that's never going to work in something that doesn't do javascript (or a sane browser) |
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| 21:47.23 | directhex | goron, something's fucked then |
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| 21:47.26 | buht-work | cafuego: i figured it was something like that :) |
| 21:47.27 | ribnitz | buht-work: there is only security for stable, yes. |
| 21:47.27 | cafuego | resiak: Pfff. |
| 21:47.28 | greycat | dpkg, wikifaq $1 is <reply> Try http://www.linuks.mine.nu/debian-faq-wiki/$1 or if that doesn't work, try http://www.linuks.mine.nu/debian-faq-wiki/ |
| 21:47.29 | dpkg | $1: check out http://www.linuks.mine.nu/debian-faq-wiki/is <reply> Try http://www.linuks.mine.nu/debian-faq-wiki/$1 or if that doesn't work, try http://www.linuks.mine.nu/debian-faq-wiki/ or if that doesn't work, try http://www.linuks.mine.nu/debian-faq-wiki/ |
| 21:47.32 | buht-work | ribnitz, k thx |
| 21:47.32 | greycat | damn. |
| 21:47.39 | greycat | you can't have both any more, apparently. |
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| 21:47.48 | Blissex | buht-work: yes, security updates are only available for 'stable'. |
| 21:47.55 | websdale | inc| |
| 21:48.05 | cafuego | buht-work: Just fix up squid to return DIRECT for appropriate hosts/domains. |
| 21:48.05 | ribnitz | Blissex: I was fasta ;) |
| 21:48.15 | Blissex | ribnitz: OK OK. |
| 21:48.23 | buht-work | now i just need to find the debian security apt sources via FTP |
| 21:48.23 | goron | directhex: Would compiling Xorg from source help? |
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| 21:48.37 | greycat | buht-work: repulsive! |
| 21:48.41 | cafuego | goron: Xorg doesn't solve any problems. |
| 21:48.48 | ribnitz | buht-work: replace http by ftp, works for most. |
| 21:48.54 | jetscreamer | zorg is evil, just ask dallas |
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| 21:48.58 | PerfDave | greycat: Get dondelelcaro to stick the factoid in the database manually? |
| 21:48.59 | buht-work | ribnitz, i just pasted the error to blissex |
| 21:49.01 | simonrvn | only on funky old ati cards ;p |
| 21:49.08 | buht-work | Err ftp://security.debian.org stable/updates/main Packages |
| 21:49.08 | buht-work | <PROTECTED> |
| 21:49.26 | greycat | PerfDave: I'd rather see blootbot enhanced to the point where obvious things can be done normally. |
| 21:49.30 | PerfDave | buht-work: Seems like you should really be fixing this http/ftp proxy of yours, it appears to be broken. |
| 21:49.35 | PerfDave | greycat: FFTSAP ;) |
| 21:49.52 | buht-work | PerfDave, no its not, as mentioned already its an automatic configuration script which apt's client doesnt support |
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| 21:49.58 | bucky | buht-work, is that in your sources.list ? |
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| 21:50.00 | greycat | something something send a patch? |
| 21:50.03 | stego | What would people recommend for an external HD interface, firewire or USB2? |
| 21:50.14 | buht-work | bucky: deb ftp://security.debian.org/ stable/updates mai |
| 21:50.14 | valdyn | buht-work: now that cant be because that line is broken |
| 21:50.15 | PerfDave | greycat: Feel Free To Submit A Patch ;) |
| 21:50.21 | xam | stego: SCSI? |
| 21:50.24 | directhex | stego, depends on the files. |
| 21:50.28 | xam | stego: I'd go for firewire |
| 21:50.30 | simonrvn | greycat: there's discussion on who's going to be the next blootbot maintainer ;). |
| 21:50.31 | PerfDave | buht-work: That's not difficult at all. Just wget the script and copy the proxy setting into the apt config. |
| 21:50.41 | directhex | stego, firewire for hundred-megabyte files, usb2 otherwise |
| 21:50.43 | roo9 | is ataraid present in the 2.6 kernel, if not what substitute can i use, my disks are already using ataraid and loosing the data is not an option? |
| 21:50.50 | simonrvn | greycat: send it here, i have cvs access |
| 21:50.51 | stego | directhex, why's that? |
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| 21:50.59 | greycat | simonrvn: you're assuming a lot :) |
| 21:51.04 | greycat | like perl skillz on my part... |
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| 21:51.09 | buht-work | PerfDave, you dont understand me.... a client like IE supports the automatic configuration script for the proxy server, apts doesnt... i could use and have used apt-setup to add the proxy to try anyways |
| 21:51.11 | simonrvn | heh |
| 21:51.16 | buht-work | someone just tell me im SOL :) |
| 21:51.23 | cld | valdyn: thanks |
| 21:51.26 | directhex | stego, the way the interfaces work. firewire is suited to streams of sata transfer, not random access |
| 21:51.26 | jetscreamer | i just took out a bunch of cruft!!! between the cpufan and the heatsink that is |
| 21:51.31 | simonrvn | buht-work: you're SOL. what about? |
| 21:51.32 | PerfDave | buht-work: Yes, I know exactly what you mean. So why not add the proxy to the apt config so HTTP works? |
| 21:51.41 | goron | So you are basically saying that I should reinstall? |
| 21:51.56 | xarg | hi .... I am trying to build a debian qmail server. any suggestions on what the best way to do that would be ... need to have var-qmail with qmail-queue etc. |
| 21:51.57 | simonrvn | oh, that HTTP proxy |
| 21:52.01 | buht-work | PerfDave, how is apt going to follow the rules of the javascript presented by the proxy server? its not a quick and easy proxy.... it configures IE |
| 21:52.09 | simonrvn | xarg: #qmail |
| 21:52.10 | sepski | roo9, take a backup ! |
| 21:52.16 | abbas | #debian.fr |
| 21:52.24 | stego | directhex, so as a backup solution for a /home directory, USB2 is probably more sensible. |
| 21:52.25 | simonrvn | buht-work: my condolences |
| 21:52.30 | PerfDave | buht-work: Just wget the proxy, read the bits you need for your apt sources, put in apt config. It's not hard. |
| 21:52.35 | buht-work | is there not an FTP source for debians security updates? |
| 21:52.39 | PerfDave | buht-work: Write a perl script to do it. |
| 21:52.53 | PerfDave | buht-work: There is, but that doesn't work for you either, evidently. |
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| 21:52.58 | buht-work | PerfDave, hmmm.. well i could try , im not that special :) |
| 21:53.08 | PerfDave | Probably because your proxy is broken. |
| 21:53.09 | buht-work | PerfDave, figured there would be something much more simple |
| 21:53.14 | buht-work | PerfDave, its not broken |
| 21:53.20 | buht-work | PerfDave, works fine in IE, firefox, etc |
| 21:53.24 | PerfDave | buht-work: What's more simple than READING THE PROXY SETTINGS and PUTTING THEM IN YOUR CONFIG? |
| 21:53.28 | simonrvn | if it doesn't work correctly, it's borked |
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| 21:53.54 | buht-work | PerfDave, read the data returned by the autoconfiguration script? |
| 21:53.58 | ribnitz | simonrvn: for adequate definitions of borked.. |
| 21:54.01 | PerfDave | buht-work: Yes |
| 21:54.08 | simonrvn | @+dict borked |
| 21:54.12 | ravenbird | could not find definition for borked |
| 21:54.13 | buht-work | PerfDave, what if the auto config script made me login securely to the network/domain, would apt let me do that? |
| 21:54.13 | roo9 | sepski: how do you suggest i backup 1.2tb of information? |
| 21:54.17 | simonrvn | @+dict bork |
| 21:54.19 | ravenbird | could not find definition for bork |
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| 21:54.23 | simonrvn | meh |
| 21:54.26 | ribnitz | buht-work: that will be something like Proxy: a.b.c.d,... |
| 21:54.27 | xam | @+dict b0rked |
| 21:54.28 | simonrvn | @bork |
| 21:54.29 | ravenbird | to sex0r as in "bork bjork", lart to death, or a nicer curse word, or the Swedish Chef's favorite word |
| 21:54.29 | ravenbird | could not find definition for b0rked |
| 21:54.37 | PerfDave | buht-work: If you have to authenticate to the proxy, you can do that with apt. |
| 21:54.39 | buht-work | ribnitz: i have the simple Acquire::Proxy shit in apt.conf :) |
| 21:54.41 | simonrvn | um |
| 21:54.44 | simonrvn | fucking bot |
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| 21:55.10 | simonrvn | there |
| 21:55.16 | bucky | buht-work, can't use deb http://security.debian.org/ stable/updates main |
| 21:55.19 | buht-work | apparently there is no ftp source for security sources? |
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| 21:55.33 | valdyn | buht-work: ftp://ftp.de.debian.org/debian-security/ or any other debian mirrors, maybe |
| 21:55.39 | sepski | roo9, if your afraid of loosing it then yes ofcouse you back it up |
| 21:55.40 | buht-work | bucky, nope... and not with the simple Acquire::Proxy setting either |
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| 21:55.51 | buht-work | valdyn, thanks |
| 21:55.52 | phanter | when I try to umount a partition I get the error that it is in use. How can I see what is using the partition? |
| 21:56.01 | resiak | phanter: lsof |
| 21:56.01 | ribnitz | simonrvn: "burked" (to murder by suffocation?) |
| 21:56.13 | Casty | apt-get has suddenly turned into a nightmare and won't install or uninstall anything because it's complaining about exim. Exim was installed from source, not via apt-get. How can I get apt-get to stop worrying about exim? |
| 21:56.17 | simonrvn | that'll be in the dictionary =) |
| 21:56.17 | sepski | roo9, and on whatever backup scheme you use, tapes, harddrives, many dvds a lot of cd's or a whole frigging truck of floppies |
| 21:56.19 | ribnitz | phanter: lsof |
| 21:56.34 | PerfDave | Casty: Why did you install exim from source? Where did you install exim from source? /msg dpkg usrlocal |
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| 21:56.42 | simonrvn | Casty: equivs. make one for mail-transport-agent |
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| 21:56.46 | PerfDave | Casty: And did you install from Debian source or upstream source? |
| 21:56.48 | valdyn | Casty: /msg dpkg equivs |
| 21:56.48 | kaiowa | how could i view a .rar archive??? |
| 21:56.55 | cafuego | kaiowa: 'less'. |
| 21:57.01 | valdyn | Casty: though just using debians exim is easier.. |
| 21:57.06 | simonrvn | @tell kaiowa about ep |
| 21:57.09 | roo9 | sepski: this is the backup machine. |
| 21:57.12 | cafuego | kaiowa: You can extract it with 'unrar' which might be more productive. |
| 21:57.14 | sepski | kaiowa, if you'd rather unpack it then view it then unrar |
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| 21:57.43 | PerfDave | Or probably unrar-nonfree if it was made with any non-ancient version of Windows rar applications. |
| 21:57.50 | buht-work | valdyn, thats what i was looking for... worked great :) |
| 21:57.50 | Casty | back when I installed it I don't think apt-get had the options i needed. It's been customized a good bit and I don't want to bring my mail server down now |
| 21:57.54 | ribnitz | the rar format gas never been published, has it? |
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| 21:58.13 | PerfDave | Casty: What on earth are you talking about "I don't think apt-get had the options I needed"? |
| 21:58.17 | cafuego | Casty: apt/dpkg don't modify your cfg files without explicit permission. |
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| 21:58.24 | sepski | roo9, then loosing the data cant be that bad, since you take a new backup every night ? |
| 21:58.25 | buht-work | thanks guys... |
| 21:58.33 | jefferskn | anybody what Trigger:udp is when a ppp dialup connection is established and computer tries to find 192.168.0.2 |
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| 21:58.52 | goron | nvidiahorror:http://home.comcast.net/~andrex/Debian-nVidia/troubleshooting.html |
| 21:58.53 | sepski | jefferskn, most likely a name lookup |
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| 21:59.07 | Casty | Exim installed by apt-get is multi-config files, i have one |
| 21:59.09 | PerfDave | cafuego: Unless you've installed them through non-apt methods and it doesn't know not to overwrite them? |
| 21:59.10 | jetscreamer | kaiowa, if you have rar and unrar, file-roller or some similar package will let you view it... see also man rar |
| 21:59.27 | cafuego | Casty: Serves you right for not using postfix like a sane person. |
| 21:59.27 | jefferskn | I finally got my laptop to connect using an external serail modem but then connect no browse |
| 21:59.34 | valdyn | Casty: exim installed by apt-get gives you the option to use either config system |
| 21:59.42 | jetscreamer | exim4 installed by apt-get is multi-config files IF YOU TELL IT TO DO THAT WHEN IT ASKS YOU |
| 21:59.43 | Casty | i also needed tls support |
| 21:59.58 | simonrvn | so you install -heavy... |
| 21:59.59 | Rambo3 | what to install woody unstable stable or sarge |
| 22:00.04 | jetscreamer | sarge |
| 22:00.10 | valdyn | Casty: and that is supported too afaik |
| 22:00.13 | PerfDave | Casty: Read the APT HOWTO. You've been told how to fix your problem, but if you didn't compile into /usr/local you may be in trrouble. |
| 22:00.15 | abrotman | Rambo3: depends on the purpose of the system |
| 22:00.17 | PerfDave | Rambo3: What for? |
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| 22:00.26 | jetscreamer | heh you have to ask? |
| 22:00.34 | Rambo3 | laptop, i ll update kernel later anyhow |
| 22:00.35 | ribnitz | jetscreamer: you expect skills few people have. like reading. |
| 22:00.43 | PerfDave | Rambo3: "woody unstable stable or sarge" doesn't make sense. It's "stable or testing". |
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| 22:00.48 | cafuego | goron: That page fails to mention you need more patches for 2.6.11-rc* support. |
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| 22:00.50 | simonrvn | ribnitz: reading comprehension |
| 22:00.52 | Casty | anyway, the point is it's already installed and I don't want to overwrite the installation, the mail server works great. It's just recently that apt-get started complaining about exim though |
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| 22:01.01 | jetscreamer | Rambo3, what he means is stable == woody |
| 22:01.06 | ribnitz | simonrvn: literacy. |
| 22:01.09 | jetscreamer | and testing == sarge (atm) |
| 22:01.12 | Rambo3 | sarge=unstable? |
| 22:01.14 | Rambo3 | ok |
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| 22:01.18 | jetscreamer | sid is unstable |
| 22:01.19 | abrotman | Rambo3: no |
| 22:01.20 | PerfDave | Rambo3: /msg dpkg releases |
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| 22:01.21 | valdyn | Casty: /msg dpkg equivs ( though sticking to this is fucking stupid imo ) |
| 22:01.23 | simonrvn | hm |
| 22:01.25 | jetscreamer | Rambo3, go sarge imo |
| 22:01.27 | abrotman | Rambo3: sid is not for you |
| 22:01.29 | jetscreamer | you'll be happy |
| 22:01.31 | PerfDave | Rambo3: You do NOT want to install unstable, it will fuck you up bigstyle. |
| 22:01.32 | abrotman | ier |
| 22:01.36 | Casty | i don't know what /msg dpkg equivs means |
| 22:01.43 | simonrvn | @dict literacy |
| 22:01.45 | ravenbird | Dictionary 'literacy' the ability to read and write [ant: {illiteracy}] |
| 22:01.46 | valdyn | Casty: type it in your irc client |
| 22:01.50 | jetscreamer | casty it means type it in the damn irc client |
| 22:01.51 | PerfDave | !tell Casty -about msgdpkg |
| 22:01.51 | abrotman | Casty: type "/msg dpkg equivs" in this screen |
| 22:01.56 | jetscreamer | jinx@valdyn |
| 22:02.01 | ribnitz | Rambo3: sid is a very unstable thing that can break any time, and you cannot be sure when it gets fixed. |
| 22:02.10 | ribnitz | Rambo3: hence go for sarge |
| 22:02.11 | simonrvn | jinx@valdyn.org? |
| 22:02.19 | abrotman | email spam! |
| 22:02.22 | jetscreamer | no just jinx |
| 22:02.25 | Rambo3 | ok thanks all |
| 22:02.28 | jetscreamer | jinx @ valdyn |
| 22:02.43 | jetscreamer | must be an american thing simonrvn |
| 22:02.44 | xor3x | I'm trying to mount my NTFS disk in debian and i only get it writeprotected what am i doing wrong ? |
| 22:02.51 | jetscreamer | !ro-ntfs |
| 22:02.51 | dpkg | add a line similar to: /dev/hdd1 /mnt/hdd1 ntfs ro,users,auto,gid=24,uid=1001,fmask=0333,dmask=0222 to your fstab... change the hdxx and uid, and maybe the gid if you want. and you should want. |
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| 22:03.02 | jetscreamer | do not write to ntfs unless you're a god |
| 22:03.05 | resiak | xor3x: You don't write NTFS. |
| 22:03.13 | abrotman | jetscreamer: or you know one personally :) |
| 22:03.13 | ribnitz | xor3x: there is no ntfs-linux thing that works adequately. |
| 22:03.19 | jetscreamer | or that yeah |
| 22:03.27 | resiak | xor3x: Before you bitch and moan, can WinXP write to _any_ Linuxy filesystem? Can it _read_ them? |
| 22:03.30 | jetscreamer | you can read ntfs all day long though |
| 22:03.30 | technoMyst | is there a xml package for php4 or does php4-domxml include it |
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| 22:03.44 | technoMyst | cause i only see a php3-xml package |
| 22:03.46 | abrotman | technoMyst: which function are oyu trying to use ? |
| 22:03.49 | jefferskn | when I connect with pon I ran tail -f /var/log/messages and something keeps calling site 192.168.0.2 but then says no devices free to call out on |
| 22:03.51 | abrotman | and which version of debian ? |
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| 22:04.03 | technoMyst | im going to install horde, and it requires php with xml and domxml |
| 22:04.09 | technoMyst | saege |
| 22:04.13 | technoMyst | sarge* |
| 22:04.16 | phanter | resiak: the man page of lsof tells me it should give a output when used without options, but is does not give any output ?!? |
| 22:04.20 | abrotman | technoMyst: php4 then .. and what functions? |
| 22:04.27 | jetscreamer | jeff, sounds like it's trying to connect to a local box eh |
| 22:04.34 | inc|freaky | hi all, me again. are there any kde3.3.3 .debs for debian? cuz sarge only got kde3.3.2 :( |
| 22:04.36 | jetscreamer | err jefferskn |
| 22:04.37 | resiak | phanter: Yes, it does... |
| 22:04.50 | xam | ;n |
| 22:04.51 | resiak | inc|freaky: Look at what's in unstable. But if you use it, you're on your own. |
| 22:04.51 | ribnitz | phanter: 'lsof|grep foo' |
| 22:04.57 | jetscreamer | inc|freaky, sid does. |
| 22:05.01 | xam | phanter: you have to be root ;) |
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| 22:05.04 | cafuego | inc|freaky: Be happy with 3.3.2. |
| 22:05.12 | inc|freaky | no, i want 3.3.3 ;) |
| 22:05.17 | jetscreamer | kde is bloated anyway |
| 22:05.19 | jefferskn | I agree but don't know how to stop it - I can connect and pull a valid IP but can't get out |
| 22:05.21 | resiak | inc|freaky: Get it from Sid, and be on your own. |
| 22:05.25 | jetscreamer | at least the meta packages are |
| 22:05.27 | Fox012 | hello can some one help me ? |
| 22:05.30 | jetscreamer | no |
| 22:05.32 | inc|freaky | whats the command again? |
| 22:05.36 | resiak | Fox012: Ask your question... |
| 22:05.37 | abrotman | technoMyst: i'd take a guess and say php4-domxml is the one you want |
| 22:05.40 | inc|freaky | -t unstable ? |
| 22:05.40 | resiak | inc|freaky: IYHTAYS |
| 22:05.40 | ribnitz | inc|freaky: thats only for people who renounce stability. |
| 22:05.43 | Black-Jack | Feb 22 01:20:50 vaikas sg[15781]: user `root' switched to group `list' |
| 22:05.43 | Black-Jack | Feb 22 01:20:51 vaikas sg[15781]: user `root' (login `???' on ???) switched to group `list' |
| 22:05.45 | Black-Jack | what it that? |
| 22:05.48 | technoMyst | abrotman: that's what im hoping, thx |
| 22:05.56 | Fox012 | where i can get the dns server with apt-get ? |
| 22:05.58 | jetscreamer | inc|freaky, /msg dpkg sarge->sid |
| 22:06.00 | abrotman | technoMyst: might need php4-xslt maybe too ? |
| 22:06.05 | jetscreamer | Fox012, bind9 |
| 22:06.06 | cafuego | inc|freaky: There is no command for "Being happy with 3.3.2 and not breaking your box". |
| 22:06.15 | jetscreamer | apt-get install bind9 |
| 22:06.15 | ribnitz | Fox012: 'bind9' |
| 22:06.17 | jetscreamer | iirc |
| 22:06.19 | technoMyst | kk |
| 22:06.23 | abrotman | technoMyst: and horde/imp is in debian |
| 22:06.27 | samuel | sup all |
| 22:06.27 | technoMyst | and any idea about gettext support with php? |
| 22:06.28 | technoMyst | o |
| 22:06.29 | Fox012 | whats the command ? |
| 22:06.30 | phanter | sorry it gives "command not found", but I am very shure that ist is installed and I am root. |
| 22:06.31 | technoMyst | what package? |
| 22:06.39 | abrotman | technoMyst: gettext should be in php4 by itself |
| 22:06.44 | jetscreamer | i have no idea what the command is Fox012 i already typed it |
| 22:06.46 | abrotman | !info horde sarge |
| 22:06.50 | inc|freaky | is there any tool with which i can automatically mount my windows drives? |
| 22:06.52 | abrotman | !info horde3 sarge |
| 22:06.54 | ribnitz | phanter: 'which lsof' |
| 22:06.58 | technoMyst | !info horde3 sarge |
| 22:06.59 | technoMyst | thx |
| 22:07.00 | cafuego | inc|freaky: man fstab |
| 22:07.01 | abrotman | wtf |
| 22:07.04 | abrotman | !info horde2 sarge |
| 22:07.06 | dpkg | horde2: (The Horde Web Application Suite), section web, is optional. Version: 2.2.7-6 (sarge), Packaged size: 500 kB, Installed size: 2888 kB |
| 22:07.07 | abrotman | i give up |
| 22:07.08 | Fox012 | apt-get bind9 |
| 22:07.08 | Fox012 | E: Invalid operation bind9 |
| 22:07.09 | abrotman | yay |
| 22:07.10 | abrotman | there we go |
| 22:07.10 | Fox012 | hmm... |
| 22:07.14 | abrotman | Fox012: install ? |
| 22:07.17 | technoMyst | imp requires horde v3 |
| 22:07.18 | jetscreamer | inc|freaky, put it in fstab, /lastlog jetscreamer or /msg dpkg ro-ntfs |
| 22:07.26 | Fox012 | ? |
| 22:07.30 | abrotman | technoMyst: well .. imp is also in deiban .. but they are older versions |
| 22:07.31 | jetscreamer | apt-get install blah |
| 22:07.41 | technoMyst | hmm |
| 22:07.41 | samuel | im trying to connect with gnome-pilot to /dev/pilot, but it tells me the device does not exist... never done a sync b4 in linux... but i CAN list using pilot-xfer program |
| 22:07.43 | jetscreamer | not apt-get blah |
| 22:07.44 | Fox012 | working thanks |
| 22:07.48 | simonrvn | @info horde2 sid |
| 22:07.48 | technoMyst | i'll try to compile myself first |
| 22:07.53 | ribnitz | technoMyst: the dwolaoded apps work quite well.. |
| 22:07.56 | abrotman | simonrvn: the same iirc |
| 22:07.59 | phanter | ribnitz: you want to know the version? that is: lsof-4.73-1.i386 |
| 22:08.03 | abrotman | !info imp sarge |
| 22:08.04 | jetscreamer | i heard tell horde has some security issues a week ago or so |
| 22:08.07 | simonrvn | you don't compile php |
| 22:08.20 | abrotman | jetscreamer: i'm not surprised |
| 22:08.21 | simonrvn | imp3 IIRC |
| 22:08.29 | abrotman | !info imp3 sarge |
| 22:08.32 | dpkg | imp3: (Web Based Mail Program), section web, is optional. Version: 3.2.6-3 (sarge), Packaged size: 774 kB, Installed size: 3728 kB |
| 22:08.36 | abrotman | what a pain .. some have numbers .. some dont |
| 22:08.46 | jetscreamer | my host supplies horde also... and damn do i get a LOT of spammail with that account |
| 22:08.46 | ribnitz | panther: lsof |head |
| 22:08.46 | ribnitz | COMMAND PID USER FD TYPE DEVICE SIZE NODE NAME |
| 22:08.46 | ribnitz | init 1 root cwd unknown /proc/1/cwd (readlink: Permission denied) |
| 22:08.47 | abrotman | technoMyst: so that's what's in sarge .. horde2/imp3 |
| 22:08.55 | inc|freaky | if im using sata ... whats the definition for different hard-drive partitions then? |
| 22:08.59 | inc|freaky | also hdc? |
| 22:09.01 | jetscreamer | sda |
| 22:09.01 | inc|freaky | f.e. |
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| 22:09.06 | jetscreamer | iirc |
| 22:09.07 | inc|freaky | awkay, thx :D |
| 22:09.44 | simonrvn | there's other horde stuff, but it's mostly old |
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| 22:10.07 | ribnitz | simonrvn: getting the things from upstream works reasonably well. |
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| 22:10.16 | jstevens | resiak: :-) |
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| 22:10.18 | phanter | my system does not recognice lsof... and that is very strange ... |
| 22:10.18 | madmax|PN | would anyone like to help with my x-windows problems? |
| 22:10.26 | simonrvn | ribnitz: yup. i've done it. no compiling ;) |
| 22:10.36 | resiak | madmax|PN: Ask it, and we'll see. |
| 22:10.37 | phanter | madmax|PN: just ask your question |
| 22:10.48 | madmax|PN | so I have a clean install of Sarge |
| 22:10.48 | ribnitz | phanter: which lsof |
| 22:10.49 | ribnitz | /usr/bin/lsof |
| 22:10.49 | abrotman | phanter: install it ? |
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| 22:10.55 | madmax|PN | kernel 2.6.8-10 |
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| 22:11.00 | Randall32 | Can anyone reach the webserver at 128.101.80.133? |
| 22:11.11 | GomGom | anything wrong with a xserver-xfree86 package of 55MB instead of 324KB for the previous version ? |
| 22:11.20 | madmax|PN | i successfully apt-got x-windows-system, or whatever its called |
| 22:11.24 | madmax|PN | X worked fine |
| 22:11.24 | phanter | ribnitz: do you mean the version? ow yes I am root and it is installed. The versin is lsof-4.73-1.i386 |
| 22:11.25 | Randall32 | iirc that's the http.us.debian.org IP that's always hanging apt |
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| 22:11.34 | madmax|PN | apt-got firebird, xmms and gaim |
| 22:11.36 | madmax|PN | none of them ran |
| 22:11.42 | madmax|PN | got xchat, it worked fine |
| 22:11.45 | abrotman | Randall32: dpkg says it's in umn.edu |
| 22:11.50 | madmax|PN | xmms gave some library problem, which we'll ignore |
| 22:11.53 | resiak | !tell madmax|PN about enter |
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| 22:12.09 | Randall32 | abrotman: It's always f'ing down. |
| 22:12.10 | madmax|PN | sorry! |
| 22:12.24 | madmax|PN | xmms gave some library problem, which we'll ignore. gaim did too, we'll ignore that. |
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| 22:12.46 | ribnitz | What would be a decent (HW) RAID controller that actually works? |
| 22:12.53 | resiak | madmax|PN: Why are we ignoring them, since these are things which refuse to run? |
| 22:13.05 | madmax|PN | firebird game an error about XDM authentication. someone on the #debian-amd64 channel suggest I uninstall xdm, and try again. |
| 22:13.10 | sepski | ribnitz, www.3ware.com |
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| 22:13.21 | abrotman | Randall32: so have them remove it maybe / |
| 22:13.23 | abrotman | ? |
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| 22:13.54 | madmax|PN | i apt-get remove xdm, and now startx refuses to work as any user other than root; it gives some error about font renderer for ".pcf" alread being registered at priority 0 |
| 22:13.57 | jstevens | I still cant' figure out how to create a /proc ... let alone how to get debian to "make sure"/create it on bootup |
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| 22:14.00 | resiak | madmax|PN: Hang on. You're using AMD64? |
| 22:14.05 | madmax|PN | yes resiak |
| 22:14.05 | abrotman | Randall32: maybe send .. -devel an email .. ask them to remove it from the dns lookup ? |
| 22:14.10 | Randall32 | abrotman: Working up to figuring out who to email :) |
| 22:14.13 | resiak | madmax|PN: And you're using Sarge? |
| 22:14.18 | simonrvn | madmax|PN: dpkg-reconfigure xserver-common or xfree86-common |
| 22:14.20 | madmax|PN | i believe so |
| 22:14.22 | inc|freaky | where can i start in finding out why my soundcard doesnt work? the only thing i know is that i have one, onboard, and another extra one. |
| 22:14.22 | GomGom | anything wrong with a xserver-xfree86 package of 55MB instead of 324KB for the previous version on the German mirror of the debian repo ? |
| 22:14.30 | abrotman | Randall32: honestly .. i'm not sure .. but i figure -devel will flame you to the right list if it's the wrong one |
| 22:14.35 | madmax|PN | simonrvn, I've tried that, and I've checked the md5sums of the XFree84Config file too |
| 22:14.35 | simonrvn | madmax|PN: might need -p low |
| 22:14.36 | sepski | ribnitz, i allso like this one http://www.intel.com/design/servers/buildingblocks/srcu42l/ |
| 22:14.43 | madmax|PN | what is -p low? |
| 22:14.43 | resiak | madmax|PN: Are you using the AMD64 port, or the x86 port? |
| 22:14.47 | abrotman | -plow |
| 22:14.47 | madmax|PN | AMD64 port |
| 22:14.50 | simonrvn | madmax|PN: no, not the xserver - read what i said |
| 22:14.54 | resiak | madmax|PN: That's only in Sid. |
| 22:15.01 | resiak | madmax|PN: Are you, by any chance, using Ubuntu? |
| 22:15.31 | madmax|PN | simonrvn, I have tried to reconfigure both xserver-common and xfree86-common |
| 22:15.32 | abrotman | beep beep .. beep beep |
| 22:15.36 | resiak | simonrvn: Heh. |
| 22:15.39 | madmax|PN | resiak, I have no idea what Ubutnu is ;) |
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| 22:15.46 | abrotman | that looks like a wink to me! |
| 22:15.50 | abrotman | he's lying .. lynch him! |
| 22:15.52 | resiak | madmax|PN: Does that mean yes? |
| 22:15.55 | simonrvn | it does! it does! |
| 22:15.59 | resiak | (Or is he baiting me?) |
| 22:16.01 | paulswm | Geddim |
| 22:16.02 | madmax|PN | no, i really have no idea what Ubutnu is |
| 22:16.05 | paulswm | Heh |
| 22:16.05 | abrotman | yes you do |
| 22:16.10 | abrotman | madmax|PN: dpkg -l libc6 |
| 22:16.12 | madmax|PN | lies! |
| 22:16.13 | simonrvn | !ubuntu |
| 22:16.13 | dpkg | hmm... ubuntu is NOT Debian, see http://www.ubuntulinux.org. IRC channel is #ubuntu |
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| 22:16.26 | resiak | simonrvn: Hey, that's my job. I even have a keybinding for it! |
| 22:16.32 | abrotman | bah .. we need to find a package that ubuntu has that debian doesn't |
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| 22:16.41 | Casty | ok, going with you guys' suggestions, how to I install exim4 /w tls support? |
| 22:16.49 | cheal|ignored | !ubuntusmite madmax|PN |
| 22:16.50 | madmax|PN | abrotman, that lists... stuff |
| 22:16.58 | directhex | abrotman, ubuntu uses linux-* not kernel-* |
| 22:16.59 | madmax|PN | shows I have the libc libraries |
| 22:17.01 | simonrvn | /exec -o grep main /etc/apt/sources.list :P |
| 22:17.10 | jcole | how does one change the Desktop path in wine config |
| 22:17.20 | madmax|PN | so, any more suggestions? |
| 22:17.24 | madmax|PN | was removing XDM a bad idea? |
| 22:17.29 | simonrvn | nah |
| 22:17.31 | inc|freaky | exit |
| 22:17.33 | inc|freaky | oops |
| 22:17.38 | jcole | i could symlink to ~Desktop and enable symlink follow, but i don't want to do that |
| 22:17.39 | PerfDave | Casty: Read the APT HOWTO |
| 22:17.40 | abrotman | directhex: for kernel stuff? |
| 22:17.44 | vpalle | what should umask be, if i want to lead users read and group read write, nothing else |
| 22:17.45 | abrotman | uhm .. yeah duh |
| 22:17.50 | vpalle | let |
| 22:17.50 | Randall32 | I use ubuntu xorg packages on x86. |
| 22:17.52 | abrotman | resiak: i'm not sure it has yet |
| 22:17.53 | inc|freaky | umm, where can i find the XFree86 includes and headers when i want to install a program which cant find them? |
| 22:17.56 | cheal|ignored | jcole: ask #winehq |
| 22:17.56 | directhex | abrotman, for heaers, source, inmages |
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| 22:18.08 | ravenbird | horde2: (The Horde Web Application Suite), section web, is optional. Version: 2.2.7-6 (unstable), Packaged size: 500 kB, Installed size: 2888 kB |
| 22:18.13 | abrotman | ravenbird: you're so late |
| 22:18.13 | ravenbird | abrotman: have you tried http://www.tldp.org/ ? |
| 22:18.16 | jcole | cheal|ignored: thx |
| 22:18.18 | simonrvn | vpalle: info chmod look for umask |
| 22:18.18 | madmax|PN | any more ideas gys? |
| 22:18.19 | PerfDave | inc|freaky: What program are you trying to install? |
| 22:18.19 | abrotman | ravenbird: shuddup |
| 22:18.20 | ravenbird | Fine, I'll be quiet. |
| 22:18.21 | madmax|PN | er |
| 22:18.22 | madmax|PN | *guys |
| 22:18.25 | inc|freaky | PerfDave: kvirc :) |
| 22:18.26 | resiak | inc|freaky: What are you trying to install, and why are you not using an apt package? |
| 22:18.41 | inc|freaky | because the apt-package is a old version |
| 22:18.57 | PerfDave | inc|freaky: So use a newer apt package from unstable or experimental? |
| 22:19.08 | inc|freaky | how to? |
| 22:19.14 | directhex | inc|freaky, what package? |
| 22:19.15 | jcole | !ass |
| 22:19.16 | dpkg | hmm... ass is what you're sitting on, the thing that you're riding, possibly the thing you're admiring. |
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| 22:19.16 | inc|freaky | apt-get -t unstable install kvirc ? |
| 22:19.22 | inc|freaky | kvirc :) |
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| 22:19.35 | inc|freaky | i was trying to compile the cvs version ... |
| 22:19.41 | inc|freaky | but i want to know where the X-libs are ;) |
| 22:19.46 | resiak | inc|freaky: You need -dev packages. |
| 22:19.56 | inc|freaky | what are they called for X? |
| 22:20.06 | directhex | inc|freaky, apt-get build-dep kvirc |
| 22:20.17 | inc|freaky | k, thx :D |
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| 22:20.36 | vpalle | what should umask be, if i want to let users read and group read write, nothing else |
| 22:20.57 | blujay | Randall32: You just installed the Ubuntu xorg packages directly into Debian? And it just worked? |
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| 22:21.12 | paulswm | vpalle: man umask |
| 22:21.27 | PerfDave | inc|freaky: Read the APT HOWTO. |
| 22:21.32 | jefferskn | anybody know why I would be connect no browse once I establish a dialup connection - this pc has never been on the internet before |
| 22:21.33 | vpalle | think ill take my question else where.. |
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| 22:22.09 | sepski | jefferskn, check that you have nameservers in /etc/resolv.conf, also check that you have a route out your connected interface. |
| 22:22.32 | jefferskn | route out your connected interface??? |
| 22:22.34 | js_ | is it stupid to run sarge on a server at this time? |
| 22:22.56 | inc|freaky | PerfDave: will do that soon. i just want to get the system running. |
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| 22:23.17 | PerfDave | inc|freaky: If you read teh APT HOWTO it will *tell* you how to do what you're trying to do. |
| 22:23.19 | inc|freaky | before i read through thousand documentations ;) its the first time im using debian with a desktop envirroment |
| 22:23.22 | blujay | js_: I don't think so. But what I think would be stupid is automatically doing an apt-get update or apt-get dist-update, like I've read about some people doing on debian-user. |
| 22:23.36 | PerfDave | js_: Depends. Sarge doesn't have security updates and still has bugs, but rarely serious ones. |
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| 22:23.45 | sepski | jefferskn, route -n you should have a route that starts with 0.0.0.0 the default route and it should be towords you'r ppp partner |
| 22:23.50 | inc|freaky | umm, where can i see how many soundcards i have? or, the sound-card ids for alsamixergui? |
| 22:23.51 | js_ | blujay: ok, i never intend on doing automatical updates |
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| 22:24.02 | js_ | PerfDave: ok, the reason is that i want features which woody doesn't have |
| 22:24.15 | PerfDave | js_: Such as? |
| 22:24.24 | js_ | PerfDave: filesystem encryption tools |
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| 22:24.30 | js_ | PerfDave: i know i can do this from source, i but i prefer packages |
| 22:24.31 | blujay | js_: then, as PerfDave said, you won't get security updates ASAP, but the likelihood of actually getting hit by a security probably is probably pretty low |
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| 22:24.35 | PerfDave | js_: Can yo not backport the packages? |
| 22:24.42 | js_ | PerfDave: hm, i guess i can |
| 22:24.46 | js_ | blujay: ok |
| 22:24.52 | PerfDave | js_: http://www.backports.org/ may be the easiest option. |
| 22:24.58 | purestorm | Hi, I have a problem with random connection drops on a "testing" Debian box I set up freshly. Can anyone point me at some tool/logger I can use to log system health over a period of time to see where all this comes from? |
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| 22:25.01 | js_ | ah, great |
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| 22:25.12 | PerfDave | js_: Unless your filesystem encryption stuff requires 2.6 kernel. 2.6 is doable in Stable, but not advised. |
| 22:25.38 | jarango | Why does Debian use cramfs for initrd ? |
| 22:25.47 | inc|freaky | lol, it worked :D |
| 22:25.47 | nvz | purestorm: thats cute. a system health log that tells you whats wrong eh? |
| 22:26.01 | purestorm | nvz: Something that could point me where I can investigate furter |
| 22:26.01 | inc|freaky | now, the only problem left is my sound again. i hate that. always the sound aint working. |
| 22:26.02 | jefferskn | sepski: how do I check for name servers? I browsed to the directory and found the file but get nameserver: command not found |
| 22:26.03 | nvz | purestorm: why don't you be more specific about "drops" |
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| 22:26.10 | js_ | PerfDave: it can be done with 2.4 |
| 22:26.20 | purestorm | ssl and IRC proxy gets disconnects regulary |
| 22:26.31 | purestorm | I'd like to log all stuff that looks like that |
| 22:26.31 | purestorm | timeouts etc. |
| 22:26.33 | purestorm | If that's possible |
| 22:26.35 | resiak | !tell purestorm about enter |
| 22:26.41 | sepski | jefferskn, you look at the file 'more /etc/resolv.conf' |
| 22:26.53 | blujay | I've wondered that too, jarango |
| 22:26.57 | sepski | you can configure you'r ppp to add you'r isp's nameservers to that file when you dial up |
| 22:27.03 | nvz | purestorm: you are not likely keeping any such logs |
| 22:27.15 | nvz | purestorm: what kind of connection is this? |
| 22:27.22 | incorrect | is kerberos commonly used? |
| 22:27.27 | madmax|PN | so |
| 22:27.27 | purestorm | nvz: What exactly do you mean? |
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| 22:27.37 | madmax|PN | should i have not removed XDM? |
| 22:27.43 | grigora | how do you make a partition bootable in fdisk? |
| 22:27.49 | nvz | purestorm: what connection are you dropping? |
| 22:27.51 | madmax|PN | or is it alright to have removed it, and are the problems I am now having starting X a bigger problem? |
| 22:27.55 | sepski | jefferskn, when in doubt i'v found that the man page often helps, so you could try man resolv.conf to learn a bit about that file |
| 22:28.01 | madmax|PN | s/bigger/different/ |
| 22:28.26 | jarango | blujay: perhaps is smaller than ext2 ? |
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| 22:28.44 | jefferskn | sepski: I have DNS servers listed - when I connect I pull my ISP's DNS servers fine - I even tried the static DNS option in pppconfig but still CNB |
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| 22:28.58 | purestorm | nvz: I have a friend who runs an IRC proxy/bouncer on the box and that gets random disconnects, well concentrated around time spans of like 1h. Then there are some disconnects from ssh connections to the server. Sometimes one crashes, sometimes all. |
| 22:29.27 | sepski | jefferskn, and they resolve you'r namequeries also ? |
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| 22:29.28 | purestorm | "crash" in the sense of "disconnect" |
| 22:29.28 | blujay | jarango: I would imagine so, yeah. But there is another fs that most other distros use for initrds, I think... |
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| 22:29.42 | purestorm | Additionally, the latency is pretty high at the time where the disconnects are (i.e. ping goes up and down). |
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| 22:29.52 | blujay | jarango: the name escapes me at the moment |
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| 22:30.28 | madmax|PN | so I have a problem trying to start X where it gives me the error "Warning: font renderer for ".pcf" already registered at priority 0" |
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| 22:30.36 | madmax|PN | any ideas on what could be done to fix this? |
| 22:30.37 | goron | It looks like it crashes during the GLX initialization. |
| 22:30.42 | purestorm | nvz: Any idea? |
| 22:30.47 | nvz | purestorm: sounds complicated |
| 22:30.51 | jefferskn | sepski: not sure what you mean, if I"m not getting pages then I must not be resolving names |
| 22:31.01 | nvz | purestorm: you arent very good at explaining issues to get help |
| 22:31.09 | purestorm | nvz: Maybe my ISP is responsible, though (defect network card, switch etc.) |
| 22:31.12 | purestorm | That's bad |
| 22:31.20 | purestorm | What exact information would you need? |
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| 22:31.32 | nvz | purestorm: what the problem is you are having |
| 22:31.54 | purestorm | Some processes drop connections, i.e. disconnect pretty randomly. |
| 22:32.04 | purestorm | I do not know how to explain it better. |
| 22:32.09 | nvz | purestorm: you just want a network monitor or what? cant find your way to /var/log |
| 22:32.12 | nvz | I dont know |
| 22:32.16 | zopenko | Hi, a few hours ago i came because i have resolution issues, some one told me to do "dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xfree86" Idid it ... now i cant acces my X window |
| 22:32.17 | drac | that's just symptom of your problem, not the problem. |
| 22:32.34 | drac | zopenko: Do it again, until you get it right. |
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| 22:32.59 | inc|freaky | is there any program where i can look at my hardware configuration or, what soundcards are recognized? |
| 22:33.02 | madmax|PN | any ideas?? |
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| 22:33.33 | drac | zopenko: And read /var/log/XFree86.0.log for EE and WW starting lines. |
| 22:33.33 | starfishy | freaky: dmesg|less? |
| 22:33.33 | purestorm | nvz: Okay, I'll try to investigate further somewhere else. Thanks for your time. |
| 22:33.33 | xor3x | why can't I mount my NTFS-disk so I can get writeaccses to it all I get i a writeprotected disk and I can't change it as root ... |
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| 22:33.33 | zopenko | drac. I tried 4 times, now it says that x crashed because i dont have "core" or my "core" is damaged (sorry, i'm really new to linux) usin Debian Sarge |
| 22:33.34 | inc|freaky | thx ^^ |
| 22:33.55 | sepski | jefferskn, try pinging your ppp partner (you find the ip address with ifconfig, then try pinging other known addresses, i'd start with the nameservers you talked about, if this failes check your routes. if you can ping a nameserver you should also be able to resolve against it, you can test resolving by pinging a hostname, and see if it resolved to an ip |
| 22:33.57 | starfishy | well, omit the '?' of course |
| 22:34.06 | madmax|PN | can anyone actually hear me, or have I been muted for some bizarre reason? |
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| 22:34.14 | blujay | madmax|PN: loud and clear |
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| 22:34.16 | drac | zopenko: how about: grep EE /var/log/XFree86.0.log |
| 22:34.16 | Black-Jack | Feb 22 01:20:50 vaikas sg[15781]: user `root' switched to group `list' |
| 22:34.17 | Black-Jack | Feb 22 01:20:51 vaikas sg[15781]: user `root' (login `???' on ???) switched to group `list' <<< what it that? |
| 22:34.25 | madmax|PN | thanks blujay |
| 22:34.30 | madmax|PN | that just means people are ignoring me then |
| 22:34.40 | drac | zopenko: don't paste here, if it's more than 1 line. |
| 22:35.09 | inc|freaky | has anybody got 2 soundcards and knows how i can switch the default soundcard? |
| 22:35.15 | inc|freaky | cuz none of my soundcards work |
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| 22:35.22 | drac | inc|freaky: another one integrated to your motherboard? |
| 22:35.39 | blujay | inc|freaky: it's not hard, google for "alsa asoundrc default" |
| 22:35.40 | jefferskn | sepski: I tried to ping my dns servers but nothing happened - it never came back to a command prompt again - just kept saying ping 207.230.192.251 |
| 22:35.41 | inc|freaky | yea, one onboard and the other one is a Hercules GameSurround Fortissimo II |
| 22:35.55 | zopenko | Ok, let me do the "grep" thing |
| 22:35.58 | drac | inc|freaky: disable it from bios. easiest, and to avoid futher conflicts. |
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| 22:36.06 | solemnwarning | hi a;; |
| 22:36.07 | inc|freaky | i dont know how i can disable it lol |
| 22:36.07 | blujay | madmax|PN: sorry, I don't know how to solve your problem, either :( |
| 22:36.09 | solemnwarning | *all |
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| 22:36.16 | madmax|PN | cheers blujay, I just hope someone does :( |
| 22:36.18 | sepski | jefferskn, then you dont have connectivity, check your routes and try pinging you'r ppp partner |
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| 22:36.27 | solemnwarning | is there a command to reconfig net? |
| 22:36.28 | blujay | madmax|PN: I assume you've googled? |
| 22:36.40 | madmax|PN | blujay: i have indeed, and turned up nothing of use |
| 22:36.50 | blujay | madmax|PN: :( |
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| 22:37.02 | shamu | anyone here implemented iptables rules in their debian box? |
| 22:37.03 | Spherical` | Isn't blujay the name of a musician? |
| 22:37.04 | sepski | jefferskn, your ppp partner assigned you an ip i assume, and i supose you'r using it |
| 22:37.06 | madmax|PN | blujay: seems like I need some part of xdm; if I reinstall it then X works fine |
| 22:37.11 | solemnwarning | ? |
| 22:37.20 | jefferskn | sepski: I have connectivity - otherwise I would not pull a valid IP and both valid DNS servers - |
| 22:37.22 | madmax|PN | but I still get errors trying to start firefox and so forth |
| 22:37.27 | green_earz | inc|freaky: run the command cat /dev/urandom > /dev/dsp and see if there any sound ? |
| 22:37.32 | sepski | shamu, only with the aid of a good firewall script like shorewall i have |
| 22:37.36 | blujay | madmax|PN: when did the problem start? |
| 22:37.50 | sepski | jefferskn, and you'r routes are sane ? |
| 22:37.54 | jefferskn | I am not currently connected on the linux machine right now - only 1 phone line = currently on my xp machine |
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| 22:38.17 | Demon` | hello |
| 22:38.18 | madmax|PN | blujay: I had everything installed, installed firefox and it gave an XDM error (XDM authorization key matches an existing client) |
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| 22:38.24 | solemnwarning | so theres no command? |
| 22:38.25 | Demon` | does anone use NXSERVER? |
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| 22:38.36 | madmax|PN | blujay: I then removed XDM and X would then refuse to start if I used the startx command |
| 22:38.38 | blujay | madmax|PN: weird...are you on testing or unstable or what? |
| 22:38.45 | quittt | how do I configure command eject? |
| 22:38.49 | madmax|PN | blujay: I'm on sarge; I think that's testing? |
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| 22:39.02 | jefferskn | sepski: I ran tail -f /var/log/messages in a different window to watch what was happening while I connected with pon |
| 22:39.10 | shamu | thanks |
| 22:39.14 | shmike | hey |
| 22:39.16 | solemnwarning | ? |
| 22:39.17 | blujay | madmax|PN: yeah. well, the best advice I can give you is to either wait a few days and see if new packages get moved into sarge that fixes it, or upgrade those packages to their unstable versions |
| 22:39.23 | inc|freaky | green_earz: it says: -su: /dev/dsp: Device or resource busy |
| 22:39.35 | shmike | how do i start in console mode at startup? |
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| 22:39.41 | inc|freaky | but i have nothing running which uses sound and theres no sound output on both soundcards |
| 22:40.03 | jefferskn | as soon as I connected and pulled an IP and DNS info - Trigger: udp comes up trying to call 192.168.0.2 |
| 22:40.05 | sepski | jefferskn, use ifconfig to check that you actualy use the ipaddress assigned to you. use route -n to check your routes you should have 2 lines 1 to your ppp0 device, and one default(0.0.0.0 to your ppp partner |
| 22:40.12 | blujay | inc|freaky: are you using ALSA? |
| 22:40.30 | inc|freaky | i just installed alsa-base i think i have to reboot |
| 22:40.37 | inc|freaky | id like to use alsa |
| 22:40.42 | inc|freaky | and i have no idea what it is using now |
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| 22:40.51 | blujay | inc|freaky: run alsaconf |
| 22:41.08 | drac | inc|freaky: boot your computer, go to BIOS at startup (F1, DEL, or such key), disable the card integrated to your bios, save, and run alsaconf again. just a suggestion. |
| 22:41.10 | sepski | jefferskn, are you trying to do dial on demand ? |
| 22:41.22 | drac | er.. integrated to mobo |
| 22:41.22 | blujay | inc|freaky: you can use both sound cards at the same time, most likely |
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| 22:41.37 | blujay | inc|freaky: I use two SB Live cards at the same time, one for speakers and the other for headset |
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| 22:41.57 | inc|freaky | blujay: how can i "stop all sound applications now" if i dont know what is using my sound? |
| 22:41.59 | Solet | ok i installed the xscreensaver-gl package and glmatrix still isnt on my system... whats going on... |
| 22:41.59 | madmax|PN | bluejay: that's not really acceptable to me, I'm sure there's something else wrong ;) |
| 22:42.00 | Blissex | inc|freaky: for ALSA advice, #ALSA .... |
| 22:42.05 | jefferskn | sepski: I don't know what dialing on demand is but at first I tried to connect with diald which might be the problem |
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| 22:42.19 | blujay | inc|freaky: close what you can find, then proceed...I've never had a problem |
| 22:42.34 | Rambo3 | alsaconf stops all |
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| 22:42.35 | Blissex | inc|freaky: in any case, if you join that I shall tell you to just read the troubleshooting section of http://WWW.sabi.co.UK/Notes/linuxSoundALSA.html |
| 22:42.38 | green_earz | jefferskn: it was the commad cat /dev/urandom > /dev/dsp ?? |
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| 22:42.50 | blujay | madmax|PN: well, it's possible that a current package has a problem...though my guess is that you're more likely right that somethign else is the problem |
| 22:43.13 | green_earz | jefferskn: cat /dev/urandom > /dev/dsp |
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| 22:43.36 | sepski | jefferskn, never used diald, dont know what it is |
| 22:43.39 | inc|freaky | blujay: thx, the card was setup successfully, ill try to play something through it now :D |
| 22:43.43 | jefferskn | green_earz: what does that command do?? |
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| 22:43.50 | shmike | i am trying to install the nvidia drivers how do i switch to console mode? |
| 22:44.10 | green_earz | jefferskn: it sound give you a sound |
| 22:44.18 | sepski | jefferskn, diald is a dial on demand deamon, if you dont want to dial on demand i suggest you remove and purge it |
| 22:44.20 | blujay | jefferskn: it destroys your speakers :) |
| 22:44.29 | blujay | jefferskn: TURN DOWN THE VOLUME before you do that |
| 22:44.43 | jcole | cat /dev/urandom > /dev/stdout |
| 22:44.56 | ansong | i've got a question about building a .deb kernel image from vanilla sources. um. how do you do it? |
| 22:45.10 | blujay | ansong: have you read the kernel howtos? |
| 22:45.14 | simonrvn | @maint guide |
| 22:45.14 | jefferskn | sepski: so just type apt-get remove diald then |
| 22:45.18 | quittt | eject: unable to eject, last error: ioctl inapropriado para dispositivo |
| 22:45.22 | quittt | what is that? |
| 22:45.25 | sepski | jefferskn, apt-get remove --purge diald |
| 22:45.26 | simonrvn | @nmg |
| 22:45.37 | blujay | ansong: look for make-kpkg and read the docs, man pages, etc |
| 22:45.40 | timo | ansong, with make-kpkg from the package kernel-package |
| 22:45.53 | jefferskn | okay, what the extra --purge command for? |
| 22:45.56 | drac | quittt: what "inapropriado para dispositivo" means?! |
| 22:46.03 | simonrvn | jefferskn: man apt-get |
| 22:46.10 | sepski | jefferskn, it also removes the config files |
| 22:46.13 | quittt | drac, inapripietade for drive |
| 22:46.18 | jefferskn | got it - thanks |
| 22:46.20 | inc|freaky | still no sound output :( |
| 22:46.25 | quittt | drac, it isnt for the drive |
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| 22:46.36 | green_earz | jefferskn: as su ? |
| 22:46.42 | technoMyst | I'm trying to install MIME Magic on debian sarge for Horde, can't find a package for it |
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| 22:47.00 | ansong | blujay, timo, thanks |
| 22:47.07 | jefferskn | green_earz: I'm currently logged in as su |
| 22:47.12 | Rambo3 | inc|freaky> alsaconf , then alsamixer adn unmute pcspeaker with (M) |
| 22:47.35 | green_earz | jefferskn: so it looks like the driver for the card is not installed |
| 22:47.49 | sepski | inc|freaky, what chipset is that ? i had sound problems yesterday. i had to purge everything alsa. replace discover1 with discover, reboot, apt-get install alsa-base and reboot again and it workesd, never had to run alsaconfig, this was on a intel8x0 based chip tho |
| 22:48.42 | jefferskn | green_earz: what are card are you referring to? |
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| 22:48.51 | green_earz | jefferskn: run lspci -v to find out what sound card it is |
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| 22:49.32 | green_earz | jefferskn: do you have a onboard sound and a pci ?? |
| 22:49.41 | sepski | green_earz, are you mixing inc|freaky and jefferskn |
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| 22:49.58 | green_earz | sorry |
| 22:50.06 | green_earz | most be |
| 22:50.17 | daaku | anyone know of a libegg debian package? cant seem to find one on apt-get.org.. trying google right now |
| 22:50.20 | jefferskn | I am new at linux - don't confuse me more than I already am - I'll check on the sound as I haven't done that yet anyway |
| 22:50.43 | sepski | jefferskn, youll need to dl packages so get your net working first :) |
| 22:50.57 | green_earz | jefferskn: sorry |
| 22:50.59 | sepski | night all |
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| 22:51.13 | jefferskn | no problem - thanks sepski |
| 22:51.33 | green_earz | inc|freaky: do you have a onboard sound and a pci ?? |
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| 22:52.20 | inc|freaky | yea, i got two ... in /etc/modules is no soundcard entry? |
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| 22:52.29 | inc|freaky | but it says the soundcard drivers are loaded |
| 22:52.31 | inc|freaky | ill try to reboot now |
| 22:52.35 | inc|freaky | sometimes this fixes problems |
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| 22:53.32 | green_earz | inc|freaky: the sound drivers that are load may be the wrong ones. what the make of the pci card ? |
| 22:54.33 | inc|freaky | hercules game surround fortissimo 2 it uses the correct drivers (at least the name is correct) as that drivers worked on mandrake |
| 22:54.49 | themusicgod1 | I have a USB mouse that is plugged into what appears to be a USB connection; it is powered, but not sensed by the X Window System; mdetect detects nothing. is there a HOWTO to read that will contain instructions to get the mouse sensed? |
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| 22:55.25 | blujay | themusicgod1: do you have the usb hid kernel modules loaded? |
| 22:55.41 | green_earz | inc|freaky: you can run modconf and from there you can load the drive |
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| 22:56.39 | green_earz | inc|freaky: modconf may need to be installed if so apt-get install modconf |
| 22:56.41 | PerfDave | themusicgod1: Which version of Debian are you running? You might want hotplug or usbmgr to load the relevant modules automaticall.y. |
| 22:57.05 | Devi0s | exit |
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| 23:00.29 | themusicgod1 | OK hid and usbmouse modules saw the USB mouse, but when dpkg-reconfigured to /dev/input/mice(usb standard?) nothing was sensed. I am running sarge. |
| 23:01.03 | madmax|PN | i fixed my problem; I suspect people should listen up so they can help others |
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| 23:01.47 | madmax|PN | i was having problems starting X having removed XDM. I removed .fonts.cache-1 from my home directory, and it now works perfectly |
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| 23:02.06 | blujay | madmax|PN: you should put that in wiki.debian.net |
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| 23:02.29 | blujay | madmax|PN: how did you find the solution? |
| 23:02.33 | madmax|PN | blujay: I might just do that |
| 23:02.38 | madmax|PN | blujay: trial and error ;) |
| 23:02.42 | blujay | madmax|PN: wow :) |
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| 23:03.01 | madmax|PN | blujay: it was bitching about fonts, I saw a .font file I had never seen before, *blam* |
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| 23:03.58 | feder79_ | hi... one question.. do I have a command o utils to check the port open or inactive in my debian system ? |
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| 23:04.13 | repp | hi folks - anyone know of a package or way to truncate the size of a file? |
| 23:04.22 | blujay | madmax|PN: cool :) |
| 23:04.30 | repp | assume that you don't have enough space to make a copy of the file |
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| 23:05.08 | blujay | repp: you just want to cut it off? |
| 23:05.23 | blujay | repp: and destroy the rest of the data? |
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| 23:05.45 | repp | blujay: Yes, that's right |
| 23:05.50 | blujay | repp: try dd |
| 23:05.56 | blujay | it's very powerful, so be careful |
| 23:06.00 | blujay | repp: but I'm sure it can do what you need |
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| 23:06.17 | confrey | hi everybody |
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| 23:06.30 | repp | blujay: dd if=file of=file ... ? |
| 23:06.31 | madmax|PN | blujay: is the wiki open to all to edit..? |
| 23:06.37 | madmax|PN | blujay: I seem unable to make an account |
| 23:06.42 | feder79_ | <PROTECTED> |
| 23:06.52 | blujay | repp: yeah, that's the starting point :) you'll have to check the man page for the exact switches to use |
| 23:06.59 | Agrajag- | i keep getting 'no medium found' when trying to mount a cd in my cdrw device (/dev/hdd), anyone any ideas? |
| 23:07.02 | blujay | repp: I'm not an expert so I can't tell you off the top of my head |
| 23:07.14 | blujay | madmax|PN: I don't know...I haven't used it in a while |
| 23:07.31 | blujay | Agrajag-: do you have k3b? |
| 23:07.37 | repp | blujay: I'll try it out and let you know what happens ;) |
| 23:07.41 | blujay | repp: good luck |
| 23:07.55 | Agrajag- | blujay: yeah, what's that got to do with it? |
| 23:08.00 | repp | it happens to be 15GB of /dev/urandom that I want to be 10GB of /dev/urandom |
| 23:08.14 | repp | but my drive is only 20GB |
| 23:08.20 | blujay | Agrajag-: start k3b and then click on the drive in the list, and see if k3b can read it...k3b seems to be able to do stuff like that when other methods don't work |
| 23:08.28 | confrey | help me please; I have a brother installed by cups; some apps (qcad) don't recognize that printer; qcad is trying to print with a lp printer; how can I add my brother printer to non-cups applications? |
| 23:08.31 | Agrajag- | it can't.. |
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| 23:08.42 | Agrajag- | no medium found |
| 23:08.45 | blujay | Agrajag-: right-click the drive and try mount |
| 23:08.58 | Agrajag- | it says there's nothing in the drive... |
| 23:09.06 | blujay | Agrajag-: are you sure the disc is good? |
| 23:09.26 | Agrajag- | yes, it works in my other dvd drive, /dev/hdc |
| 23:09.39 | repp | Agrajag-: I agree with blujay... I've seen k3b copy discs that "cat /dev/hdd" can't read |
| 23:09.40 | feder79_ | <PROTECTED> |
| 23:09.42 | Agrajag- | (i've tried lots of cds in /dev/hdd) |
| 23:09.43 | blujay | Agrajag-: ah...I don't konw, then, sorry :( |
| 23:10.00 | blujay | feder79_: try firestarter |
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| 23:10.16 | jarango | Do I need to patch the kernel.org sources if I plan to create a cramfs initrd image ? |
| 23:10.25 | blujay | jarango: I think so |
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| 23:10.38 | sobersabre | hi guys... which package shall i reconf, to redirect system email to another user ? |
| 23:10.39 | sh | jarango: yup |
| 23:10.53 | sh | sobersabre: ur mail-server |
| 23:10.56 | daffy-pkf | lo |
| 23:10.56 | jarango | sh: What does that patch provide ? |
| 23:11.01 | bucky | jarango, just make sure CRAMFS=y |
| 23:11.01 | Agrajag- | sobersabre: just edit /etc/aliases and change the 'root' one |
| 23:11.01 | sh | postfix/exim or whatever |
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| 23:11.35 | madmax|PN | blujay: you have been most helpful and friendly; cheers! |
| 23:11.37 | blujay | feder79_: also try iftop |
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| 23:11.42 | blujay | madmax|PN: no prob good luck :) |
| 23:11.58 | jarango | sh, bucky: Why does debian use cramfs instead of something else ? |
| 23:12.14 | bucky | jarango, i don't know |
| 23:12.25 | repp | blujay: dd truncated the file... to zero bytes. :( oh well |
| 23:12.26 | bucky | why not |
| 23:12.46 | blujay | repp: like I said, it's powerful, you have to be careful. what you need is some of the switches... |
| 23:12.53 | blujay | repp: did you read the man page? |
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| 23:13.11 | jarango | bucky: do you know what does the cramfs patch provide ? insn't the cramfs included in the kernel.org sources ? |
| 23:13.16 | blujay | repp: you'll want to use seek= and/or skip= |
| 23:13.21 | sobersabre | thanks!!! |
| 23:13.46 | sobersabre | Agrajag-, you're right! |
| 23:13.52 | blujay | repp: what you could do is use dd to make a copy of the file, but only copy a certain amount of the file |
| 23:13.58 | bucky | jarango, afaik there is no "cramfs patch" and cramfs *is* included in kernel.org sources |
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| 23:14.12 | feder79_ | blujay : what I need is to look all ports open and using.. for example.. mysql port is 3306.. snort port.. etc.. |
| 23:14.22 | sobersabre | bucky, this is true only for recent kernels. |
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| 23:14.36 | blujay | feder79_: have you tried firestarter? it makes it pretty easy |
| 23:14.37 | bucky | sobersabre, how recent/ |
| 23:14.41 | repp | blujay: you didn't read my question.... I could not make a copy. Yes I read the man page. Thank you for trying. |
| 23:14.48 | sobersabre | 2.6.something |
| 23:14.52 | kromagg | I'm trying to set up a diversion of a file, but I'm having a bit of trouble with it, namely other packages seem to still conflict for the file |
| 23:15.02 | SilentBob | My dmesg for sarge says, "Dell Inspiron with broken BIOS detected. Refusing to enable the local APIC" |
| 23:15.07 | bobessutio | How do I list installed packages? |
| 23:15.10 | blujay | repp: I can pretty much guarantee that the proper combination of dd tags will do it for you |
| 23:15.13 | SilentBob | Do I update my laptop bios from dell.com? |
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| 23:15.25 | kromagg | could anybody explain to me how exactly you can setup dpkg-divert so it uses the currently installed copy as the default and diverts all else? |
| 23:15.27 | SilentBob | Or will that not matter? |
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| 23:16.19 | dmg | Apt is telling me that todays upgrade will use 206M of additional disk space. Which package has ballooned in size? (No new packages, just existing ones upgraded.) |
| 23:16.20 | sobersabre | SilentBob, there's intel disassembler/compiler for buggy BIOSes, i don't remember the link, but you can look in ACPI homepage |
| 23:16.26 | feder79_ | blujay: firestarter is works... but I need a command that shows me the same information.. |
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| 23:16.39 | rovragge | how can I make the following script line work even if $@ matches files not in the current directory? for i in "$@"; do echo "load \"$PWD/$i\"" | xmms-shell; done |
| 23:16.46 | bucky | feder79_, man netstat |
| 23:16.57 | sobersabre | it allows you to fix some bugs in the bios, and write it there. |
| 23:16.59 | blujay | feder79_: try iftop |
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| 23:17.26 | jetscreamer | !br |
| 23:17.26 | dpkg | Por favor use #debian-br para ajuda em portugues. |
| 23:17.37 | feder79_ | iftop only show me port of internet conexion.. not mysql port.. |
| 23:17.41 | blujay | repp: something like `dd if=/file/name of=/file/name bs=1M count=100` for 100MB |
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| 23:18.11 | feder79_ | iftop is an usefull tools.. |
| 23:18.14 | blujay | feder79_: you need the port that mysql is listening on? |
| 23:18.17 | jetscreamer | will rpcinfo -p only return values for rpc ports? |
| 23:18.37 | blujay | repp: but make a backup copy of the file first...if you can |
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| 23:18.52 | feder79_ | blujay.. what I need to know and show all port opens. |
| 23:19.00 | stego | I've always wondered, what decisions go into configuring an apt-get'able kernel-image? Is it the idea to compile everything as a module and then let the user's hw config determine which are loaded? |
| 23:19.21 | dmg | rovragge: 'xmms -e "$@"' ? |
| 23:19.45 | bucky | feder79_, are you trying to open up mysql to the network.. if so uncomment it in my.conf |
| 23:19.47 | blujay | feder79_: look in apt-cache for "tcp"...you'll probably find something |
| 23:19.56 | digital_ | bn tout le monde :) |
| 23:20.11 | feder79_ | blujay.. thanks ! |
| 23:20.13 | pingouin | bn digital_ |
| 23:20.22 | blujay | feder79_: good luck |
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| 23:20.45 | pingouin | someone own and DL dvd burner ? |
| 23:20.52 | pingouin | s/and/an |
| 23:21.01 | olecr | can a Debian Linux machine compete with a FreeBSD machine running Apache 2 on a high scale with numerous dynamic jsp websites? |
| 23:21.09 | sobersabre | s/an/a/ |
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| 23:21.21 | xam | pingouin: I own one, but never used DL media |
| 23:21.23 | pingouin | sobersabre: ok, thx u very much. |
| 23:21.27 | sobersabre | ; |
| 23:21.39 | xam | _ |
| 23:21.44 | sobersabre | ] |
| 23:21.45 | olecr | I've been using FreeBSD for many years now and think i'm pretty skilled at tweaking them, however the job i started in friday wants me to convert their SuSE/Slackware serverpark to Debian |
| 23:21.52 | pingouin | xam: hmm, ok..supose to work..i guess... |
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| 23:22.20 | sobersabre | olecr, so what is the question ? |
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| 23:22.39 | ludi | how do I reset my rhythmbox music player to the defaults? |
| 23:22.46 | olecr | iI already asked that :) |
| 23:23.03 | PerfDave | olecr: It can compete. It may not win. Benchmark and see. |
| 23:23.16 | olecr | I am wondering if Debian can match FreeBSD performance on a highscale webserver |
| 23:23.38 | olecr | PerfDave: I was hoping you had some benchmarks available, been trying to google for one :) |
| 23:23.55 | xam | olecr: I don't know. All I know is that linux scales better than FreeBSD *ducks* |
| 23:24.00 | kristiank | korganizer sigsegv: hello, I newbie to sarge ; just upgraded tonight, I get a sigsegv with korganizer. someone can explain me what to do ? |
| 23:24.04 | sobersabre | olecr, according ro a webpage found by googling on "filesystem benchmark" ... linux kernel performs better... |
| 23:24.13 | Demon` | I can connect to my nxserver using PuTTY, but not nxclient, can anyone help? |
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| 23:24.27 | xam | pingouin: please don't privmsg me |
| 23:24.28 | PerfDave | "nxserver"? |
| 23:24.29 | sobersabre | at least it was true for 5.0 |
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| 23:24.52 | PerfDave | olecr: I'm not aware of any benchmarks, and benchmarks are mostly meaningless. You'll need to look at filesystem performance, memory, thread, process creation, as well as raw processing oomph. |
| 23:24.54 | inc|freaky | hi all. me again. :o) can anyone tell me how i can install kde3.3.3 from unstable? |
| 23:24.56 | xam | pingouin: better to ask in the channel |
| 23:25.00 | olecr | sobersabre: this is more a case of memory and process management, i'm unaware of how to tweak (u)limits in Linux |
| 23:25.04 | PerfDave | inc|freaky: Read the APT HOWTO |
| 23:25.27 | inc|freaky | you're mean. i tried: apt-get -t unstable install kde and it says allready the newest version :( |
| 23:25.29 | PerfDave | olecr: And then as a sysadmin you need to consider ease of maintenance and updates etc., where IMHO FreeBSD is a (close) second to Debian. |
| 23:25.29 | olecr | PerfDave: exactly! thats what im looking for :X |
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| 23:25.52 | PerfDave | inc|freaky: Why the fuck am I mean for telling you where to find the information you're looking for? |
| 23:25.54 | olecr | yeah I like both |
| 23:26.16 | feder79_ | hi... one question.. do I have a command o utils to check the port open or inactive in my debian system ? |
| 23:26.34 | olecr | netstat -an | grep :NN |
| 23:26.39 | olecr | where NN is your port |
| 23:26.44 | inc|freaky | because im sitting in front of all this since ages now and i just want to know how i can install it from unstable and i thought im writing the correct command (--target-release) and it still says its the newest version :( |
| 23:26.48 | cafuego | inc|freaky: Which part of "It's not a good idea to install unstable KDE on sarge" we told you before was somehow unclear? |
| 23:26.59 | kristiank | nobody can help me here tonight |
| 23:27.03 | kristiank | ? |
| 23:27.09 | PerfDave | inc|freaky: If you want to know how to do what you're trying to do, READ THE APT HOWTO WHICH TELLS YOU HOW TO DO IT. |
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| 23:27.38 | inc|freaky | where can i find that howto? |
| 23:27.47 | PerfDave | inc|freaky: http://www.debian.org/ |
| 23:27.51 | cafuego | !fgi inc|freaky apt+howto |
| 23:27.52 | dpkg | inc|freaky: http://fuckinggoogleit.com/search?query=apt+howto |
| 23:27.58 | olecr | feder79_: to close ports, start by commenting out open lines in /etc/inetd.conf, then stop services ;) |
| 23:28.01 | xarg | whats that debian package that downloads cpan modules? |
| 23:28.06 | PerfDave | xarg: dh-make-perl |
| 23:28.08 | cafuego | xarg: dh-make-perl |
| 23:28.11 | simonrvn | goddamn, how many times have you told him/her to read that? |
| 23:28.11 | xarg | thanks |
| 23:28.11 | inc|freaky | lol ^^ |
| 23:28.17 | olecr | feder79_: or use iptables and block ports if you cant figure out how ;) |
| 23:28.37 | xam | *boink* |
| 23:28.37 | xam | that was the sound when my head hits the table |
| 23:28.40 | cafuego | simonrvn: Not counting the times we sugegsted mixing KDE stuff was BAD and got fully ignored? |
| 23:28.45 | cafuego | simonrvn: 16 or so. |
| 23:28.58 | feder79_ | olecr: and to look all ports open ? do I have an comannd ? nmap or iptables ? |
| 23:29.03 | simonrvn | oh, i thought it was like 16 000 or so |
| 23:29.12 | cafuego | Last I checked KDE in Sid was perpertually broken. |
| 23:29.18 | inc|freaky | ok, then, one last question: how can i disable those KDE-sounds? everytime i change a window or change the desktop, it plays a sound, thats kinda annoying |
| 23:29.21 | PerfDave | cafuego: KDE in Sid WFM. |
| 23:29.29 | cafuego | !wfm? |
| 23:29.29 | dpkg | it has been said that wfm is Works for Me, or some strange corruption of hopwfm, or what fucking manual? |
| 23:29.47 | FieldySnuts | stop arts and artsd from loading (going a bit far, but arts/artsd blow), I forget how |
| 23:29.49 | cafuego | PerfDave: Ah, but that's already on the system eh? |
| 23:29.52 | bucky | inc|freaky, in kde control center... like all kde users do |
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| 23:30.02 | xarg | does the qmail deb from the official debian archive install as var-qmail or is it the debian "we are going to spread things out" package? |
| 23:30.02 | dmg | xlibmesa-dri and xserver-xfree86 in -12 seem to be about 10x bigger than -10 |
| 23:30.04 | PerfDave | cafuego: Yeah, but I had to install it at some point ;) |
| 23:30.17 | cafuego | PerfDave: Last few times I did an addition of Sid KDE, it has broken packages which required manual fixing. |
| 23:30.18 | PerfDave | xarg: There is no qmail deb from the official Debian archive. |
| 23:30.24 | sobersabre | olecr, you can tweak limits. |
| 23:30.24 | kristiank | I do not know how to manage with a bug, even reading bug.kde.org. Somebody can help me ? |
| 23:30.27 | stew | !beer me |
| 23:30.33 | FieldySnuts | engrish? |
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| 23:30.47 | resiak | kristiank: What do you mean? What's your problem? |
| 23:30.47 | PerfDave | cafuego: I've only had that problem once, ended up using the console for a week rather than deal with Gnome ;) |
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| 23:30.58 | xarg | PerfDave: i guess you are right because I think it just has the source and then a build script |
| 23:31.16 | resiak | xarg: There's no guessing involved. |
| 23:31.18 | resiak | !qmail |
| 23:31.18 | dpkg | i guess qmail is a non-free (it's illegal to distribute modified binaries) MTA by djb, or http://www.qmail.org/, or for good getting-started docs see LWQ: http://www.lifewithqmail.org/lwq.html, or an MTA that insists on having 3.4 million configuration files spread throughout the filesystem. for reasons why you shouldn't use qmail, see http://lists.debian.org/debian-isp/2004/02/msg00179.html, or http://www-dt.e-technik.uni-dortmund.de/~ma/qmail-bugs.html |
| 23:31.20 | humbolt | how do I get this gpg-agent kmail is complaining about? |
| 23:31.26 | kristiank | I upgraded juste right now a sarge, and got a sigsegv bug aler from korganizer |
| 23:31.34 | dondelelcaro | cafuego: I second that. |
| 23:31.44 | warchief | <PROTECTED> |
| 23:31.53 | FieldySnuts | qmail does suck |
| 23:31.56 | PerfDave | xarg: apt-cache show qmail-src |
| 23:32.00 | FieldySnuts | ravenbird: start an mta war |
| 23:32.00 | simonrvn | humbolt: um, read the message it's telling you. |
| 23:32.00 | ravenbird | sendmail has an evil license |
| 23:32.05 | warchief | <PROTECTED> |
| 23:32.06 | FieldySnuts | but it comes from djb so who's surprised |
| 23:32.30 | bucky | !start a MTA war |
| 23:32.30 | dpkg | courier systems are liable to be r00ted |
| 23:32.32 | cafuego | !eye FieldySnuts |
| 23:32.32 | olecr | PerfDave: so, hypothetically and non biased, if you had a serverpark of 12 machines you wanted to setup in a homogenus platform, running alot of dynamic java and jsp pages, dns, mail, statistics (nagios, cacti), webmin, and some custom built services on.. the machine park is not very high end so i need to tweak everything very well. Most are older IBM xSeries machines and some are newer HP (DL380 G2) machines.. Would you choose debian or freebsd. Maintenance, ea |
| 23:32.36 | resiak | !tell warchief about repeat |
| 23:32.47 | cafuego | !anyone |
| 23:32.47 | dpkg | ***anyone: No such nick/channel - and yes, there probably is someone, somewhere, who knows or runs it; that doesn't mean *I* do. |
| 23:32.48 | themusicgod1 | usb mice are found at /dev/input/mice right? |
| 23:32.55 | FieldySnuts | heh at the r00ted comment |
| 23:33.01 | FieldySnuts | xarg: you're nuts. |
| 23:33.08 | cafuego | themusicgod1: provided the right moduels are loaded, yes. |
| 23:33.15 | simonrvn | 2.6 kernels all use /dev/input/mice |
| 23:33.18 | dondelelcaro | olecr: you're asking in #debian and you expect non-biased responses? heh. The answer is clearly Debian. |
| 23:33.18 | kristiank | I just succeeded in correcting the bug "no keyboard at boot in kdm" but I do not know what to do with this sigsegv of korganizer (which I did not launch) |
| 23:33.28 | jetscreamer | djbob? |
| 23:33.37 | simonrvn | dj bob2 |
| 23:33.43 | simonrvn | (sorry bob2) |
| 23:33.47 | dondelelcaro | jetscreamer: billy joe bob. |
| 23:33.53 | inc|freaky | in that apt howto it says apt-get -t distribution package=version thats what i did |
| 23:33.55 | simonrvn | hehehe |
| 23:34.06 | jetscreamer | i know a dev nicked djbob |
| 23:34.13 | inc|freaky | and it still says the newest version isinstalled :( |
| 23:34.13 | simonrvn | billy joe bob mike thorton joe |
| 23:34.16 | olecr | dondelelcaro: well, i think perfdave is skilled enough to answer if only slightly non biased :) |
| 23:34.33 | SilentBob | I just installed the drivers, for my Orinoco, hermes II chipset...but I don't have a WAP anywhere near me... |
| 23:34.36 | jetscreamer | who would want to ignore the cafuego??? |
| 23:34.41 | PerfDave | olecr: I honestly don't know enough about Java etc. to make that decision. I'm leaning towards FreeBSD, mostly because I know that Java on Debian is a bit of a PITA. On the other hand, I find Debian easier to maintain, so it's pretty much a toss-up. |
| 23:34.43 | SilentBob | Is there a way I can tell if the drivers are working properly? |
| 23:34.45 | kristiank | can anybody explain me what to do i such a case ? |
| 23:34.47 | inc|freaky | does sid really have kde3.3.3? |
| 23:34.50 | simonrvn | @tell jetscreamer about ep |
| 23:34.50 | simonrvn | :P |
| 23:34.52 | bucky | olecr, the performance issue isn't that much different either way... you would make a decision based on other factors besides perfomance |
| 23:34.53 | octavious | SilentBob: time to go wardriving? |
| 23:34.55 | resiak | inc|freaky: packages.debian.org |
| 23:34.56 | cafuego | SilentBob: Are the lights on the card blinking? |
| 23:35.01 | SilentBob | octavious, That's the diea. |
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| 23:35.06 | SilentBob | cafuego, yes |
| 23:35.12 | simonrvn | blinky blinky |
| 23:35.12 | SilentBob | cafuego, They always blink though. |
| 23:35.14 | cafuego | SilentBob: It's fine then. |
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| 23:35.31 | cafuego | SilentBob: They don't blink when the drivers aren't loaded. |
| 23:35.34 | octavious | there is like 12 articles in the latest 2600 dealing with wireless networks.... |
| 23:35.38 | cafuego | sobersabre: Which drivers did you install, btw? |
| 23:35.42 | xarg | FieldySnuts why am i nuts |
| 23:35.47 | PerfDave | Ooh, that reminds me, I have 3 wireless cards to play with. |
| 23:35.48 | bucky | olecr, the load balancing would be handled by apache anyway |
| 23:35.52 | cafuego | eh, SilentBob, Which drivers did you install? |
| 23:35.59 | sobersabre | heh |
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| 23:36.05 | inc|freaky | unstable also got 3.3.2 :(( |
| 23:36.09 | PerfDave | I should set up a second monitor / keyboard on my desk to plug my sister's fileserver in. |
| 23:36.13 | cafuego | sobersabre: I don't care about your drivers. |
| 23:36.16 | inc|freaky | i guess i have to compile myself |
| 23:36.25 | humbolt | imean are there any gnupg 1.9 debs available somewhere unofficially that you know of? |
| 23:36.26 | olecr | Is JAVA very cumbersome in Debian? I guess it will lean on that issue... I also have to consider that I will not work in this company forever (only while I am studying) and someone will have to take over the administration.. I think Debian might be a better candidate for that consideration |
| 23:36.29 | cafuego | PerfDave: google://KVM |
| 23:36.42 | cafuego | olecr: No, it's trivial. |
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| 23:36.45 | senin | anyone know what the make error "dh_testdir: Command not found" means |
| 23:37.03 | PerfDave | cafuego: I already have two monitors, two keyboards and two mice. |
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| 23:37.03 | cafuego | senin: install build-essential |
| 23:37.04 | PerfDave | cafuego: Besides, KVMs are cumbersome for side-by-side testing. |
| 23:37.19 | cafuego | PerfDave: vnc is your friend |
| 23:37.22 | senin | thanks will try that cafuego |
| 23:37.32 | PerfDave | cafuego: Not for what I'm doing. |
| 23:37.36 | inc|freaky | is kde3.3.2 the newest released version? |
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| 23:37.40 | cafuego | PerfDave: liar! |
| 23:37.40 | inc|freaky | strange |
| 23:37.43 | sobersabre | PerfDave, there are kvms for many computers... 4,8,12 etc, |
| 23:37.58 | PerfDave | sobersabre: Yes, thank you, I'm aware of that. I have several at work. |
| 23:38.01 | olecr | I believe there are more people skilled in Linux than FreeBSD.. I am the opposite, because I've worked with FreeBSD for many years.. So my biased decision is FreeBSD, but I'm trying to put that aside ;) |
| 23:38.05 | SilentBob | cafuego, wlags49 |
| 23:38.14 | FieldySnuts | @troll olecr |
| 23:38.22 | cafuego | SilentBob: never heard of that. Does it support monitor mode? |
| 23:38.26 | simonrvn | @away |
| 23:38.26 | jetscreamer | yes, when you wish to remove 20F from cpu, clean the kruft in the heatsink |
| 23:38.27 | ravenbird | away is, like, We don't care if you're 'afk', 'having a shower' or 'doing my wife'. If we really want to know, we'll /whois you. so please disable any public messages your client sends when you go /away or come back. If everyone did something annoying, we'd never get any conversation in. |
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| 23:38.38 | FieldySnuts | haha "doing my wife" |
| 23:38.55 | PerfDave | OTOH FreeBSD has better documentation, but OTOH Debian is more intuitive and has better support. |
| 23:38.57 | cafuego | olecr: You download the .bin from Sun, you run 'make-jpkg' on it, you install the resulting .deb file. |
| 23:38.59 | SilentBob | cafuego, http://www.agere.com/mobility/docs/wl_lkm_722_abg.tar.gz |
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| 23:39.12 | simonrvn | wtf would actually put that up for public consumption? |
| 23:39.17 | cafuego | SilentBob: is it a pcmcia card? |
| 23:39.23 | senin | cafuego that didn't help (build-essential) |
| 23:39.26 | SilentBob | cafuego, yes |
| 23:39.27 | kristiank | nobody can help me here ? |
| 23:39.30 | simonrvn | fbsd has rather nice docs |
| 23:39.39 | olecr | furthermore the company I work for develop alot J2EE applications aswell as simpler jsp based sites, so im leaning on sun's jvm's |
| 23:39.39 | cafuego | SilentBob: Let me find you a nice non-proprietary driver. |
| 23:39.44 | thenuke | kristiank: maybe? maybe not? |
| 23:39.50 | Agrajag- | is it safe to remove files in /var/cache/apt/archives ? |
| 23:39.56 | cafuego | Agrajag-: yes |
| 23:40.02 | Agrajag- | ta |
| 23:40.06 | PerfDave | Agrajag-: apt-get clean, apt-get autoclean |
| 23:40.14 | inc|freaky | ok, nm :) where can i download themes etc. for KDE? i forgot the url :\ |
| 23:40.16 | kristiank | i just upgraded my sarge, and I get a sigsegv from korganizer. What must I do ? |
| 23:40.18 | aidehua | Anyone know a user-space tool for making snapshot backups of directories? |
| 23:40.28 | bucky | inc|freaky, you're a pest |
| 23:40.34 | cafuego | SilentBob: http://savannah.nongnu.org/projects/orinoco/ |
| 23:40.35 | inc|freaky | thanks :( |
| 23:40.39 | RichiH | PerfDave: i won't stop you |
| 23:40.44 | simonrvn | inc|freaky: apt-cache search kde theme. apt-get install what_you_found_that_you_want |
| 23:40.47 | jetscreamer | google kde artwork, apt-get install superkaramba |
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| 23:40.52 | jetscreamer | something like that |
| 23:40.53 | PerfDave | inc|freaky: Read the APT HOWTO |
| 23:40.56 | Agrajag- | ugh.. i still can't get this cd drive to mount any cds. could it be a driver issue? |
| 23:40.57 | jetscreamer | or try kde.org |
| 23:41.02 | infodroid | aidehua: what, like rdiff-backup? |
| 23:41.02 | darkgamer20 | hey everyone |
| 23:41.06 | inc|freaky | PerfDave: i did that! |
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| 23:41.09 | cafuego | SilentBob: You can fetch the actual driver from http://ozlabs.org/people/dgibson/dldwd/orinoco-0.15rc2.tar.gz |
| 23:41.17 | inc|freaky | well, at least the part i needed ... |
| 23:41.20 | jetscreamer | it could be a pebkac issue.... ls -l /dev/cd* |
| 23:41.27 | PerfDave | inc|freaky: Read the bit about searching for packages. |
| 23:41.31 | cafuego | SilentBob: Just replace the corresponding files in the ekrnel source tree with these, then compile (that's how I do it). |
| 23:41.33 | Agrajag- | i just can't get it do mount anything, always get "mount: no medium found" |
| 23:41.35 | inc|freaky | i know how to search for packages ;) |
| 23:41.46 | inc|freaky | i just didnt think i can just apt them ;p |
| 23:41.47 | SilentBob | http://support.dell.com/support/downloads/format.aspx?releaseid=R57532&c=us&l=en&s=gen&cs= |
| 23:41.52 | SilentBob | How can I install that bios upgrade. |
| 23:41.54 | kenji_ | 'nenuit |
| 23:41.56 | simonrvn | think more, ask less |
| 23:41.58 | resiak | inc|freaky: What the hell else would you do with them? |
| 23:42.00 | kristiank | It is my first time I see this. Do not know what to do. Can you help ? (I read bugs.kde.org but did not understand) |
| 23:42.03 | cafuego | SilentBob: floppy disk |
| 23:42.03 | jetscreamer | SilentBob, with a dos boot floppy |
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| 23:42.05 | aidehua | infodroid: if you are a real person, thank you -- that's great :) |
| 23:42.12 | aidehua | infodroid: if you are a bot, thank you -- that's great :) |
| 23:42.15 | darkgamer20 | dose anyone know a guide to installing a boot splash in debian |
| 23:42.16 | darkgamer20 | ? |
| 23:42.24 | PerfDave | inc|freaky: How do you know whether you can find what you want as a Debian package without fucking searching for them? |
| 23:42.27 | cafuego | !info bootsplash |
| 23:42.40 | cafuego | Hmm. |
| 23:42.44 | bucky | bootsplash.org |
| 23:42.50 | darkgamer20 | thanks |
| 23:43.04 | kristiank | could you help me ? |
| 23:43.06 | jetscreamer | Agrajag-, some cdroms can't read cdrw's very well, and/or cd-r's ... is there ANY cd that works? |
| 23:43.15 | darkgamer20 | why is !info not comming up? |
| 23:43.20 | PerfDave | kristiank: You might want to ask #debian-kde |
| 23:43.24 | SilentBob | ftp://ftp.openbios.org/pub/bootsplash/kernel/bootsplash-3.0.7-2.4.22-vanilla.diff.bz2 |
| 23:43.35 | inc|freaky | how come every1 attacking me now. im just a german linux newbie and dont know much about everything yet. |
| 23:43.39 | cafuego | SilentBob: You can make the floppy bootable with syslinux (probably) and the exe should be able to be processed with 'unzip'. |
| 23:43.48 | Agrajag- | jetscreamer: no, i've tried a few, they never work. they work in my other dvd drive though (/dev/hdc). /dev/hdd is my cdrw drive |
| 23:43.49 | kristiank | well, ok. thanks a lot, I willtry. |
| 23:44.00 | bucky | inc|freaky, invade poland! |
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| 23:44.11 | jetscreamer | Agrajag-, maight just be a bum cdrom |
| 23:44.15 | resiak | inc|freaky: Learn to search the net. |
| 23:44.15 | FieldySnuts | annex finland! |
| 23:44.17 | jetscreamer | not sure |
| 23:44.19 | PerfDave | inc|freaky: Because you don't bother reading documentation and thinking about things, you just expect to be spoonfed answers instead of learning how to help yourself. |
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| 23:44.48 | resiak | "Put out cat. Stop newspaper. Invade Czechoslovakia." |
| 23:44.57 | Agrajag- | jetscreamer: the drive was working with a windows box not long ago. i dont suppose jumper settings or anything would make it do that? |
| 23:45.00 | PerfDave | resiak: Now now, don't mention the war. |
| 23:45.01 | cafuego | SilentBob: If not, ftp://ftp.cc.com.au/pub/users/cafuego/stuff/win98.img.bz2 is a bootable dos floppy image. bunzip it, 'dd' it to floppy, then copy the flash util and new bios to floppy too, boot off it. |
| 23:45.21 | PerfDave | SilentBob: Or use a FreeDOS floppy ;) |
| 23:45.31 | jetscreamer | Agrajag-, it wouldn't recognize the drive if you had the jumpers wrong |
| 23:45.43 | PerfDave | More BIOS updates should be distributed as FreeDOS floppy ISOs. |
| 23:45.48 | Agrajag- | hmm ok that's what i figured |
| 23:45.50 | FieldySnuts | freedos blows don't trust it for something as critical as a bios update |
| 23:46.02 | resiak | FieldySnuts: Justify that? |
| 23:46.04 | PerfDave | FieldySnuts: Really? It's worked for me before. |
| 23:46.05 | Agrajag- | guess the drive is screwed.. i'll test it in another box some time |
| 23:46.14 | jetscreamer | i have a w98 boot floppy .img if you want it |
| 23:46.26 | PerfDave | http://www.bootfloppy.com/ or whatever |
| 23:46.27 | cafuego | huaaauaahuuuaaa |
| 23:46.37 | bucky | Agrajag-, what's the command you use to mount it? |
| 23:46.39 | feder79_ | hi.. I need some help with command nmap .. any can help me ?? |
| 23:46.39 | SilentBob | cafuego, thanks for the explanation |
| 23:46.51 | Agrajag- | bucky: mount -tiso9660 /dev/hdd /media/burner |
| 23:46.56 | octavious | feder79_: man nmap |
| 23:47.08 | SilentBob | I just dd that image to a floppy, and put the drivers on another floppy? |
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| 23:47.15 | SilentBob | What if the drivers are bigger then 1.44MB? |
| 23:47.20 | bucky | Agrajag-, cdrecord -scanbus |
| 23:47.34 | Mole | how do i compress files in a dir with both tar and gzip? id like compression of -9 with gzip :) |
| 23:47.43 | SilentBob | http://support.dell.com/support/downloads/format.aspx?releaseid=R57532&c=us&l=en&s=gen&cs= |
| 23:47.45 | PerfDave | Mole: You don't compress files with tar. |
| 23:47.45 | jetscreamer | it's a bin not img |
| 23:47.46 | jarango | Where can I get the so called cramfs initrd patch ? |
| 23:47.50 | SilentBob | I'm not sure which windows binary I need. |
| 23:47.52 | PerfDave | Mole: man tar, man gzip |
| 23:47.52 | FieldySnuts | please stop spamming us with dell urls |
| 23:47.59 | bucky | Agrajag-, you'll need ide-cd for ro |
| 23:48.00 | jetscreamer | jarango, it's already in debian kernel sources |
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| 23:48.09 | Skolem | I've installed a mail transport agent from source. How can I get apt-get and friends to stop bugging me about installing exim & the like? I think I could achieve this if I could somehow tell dpkg that I've "installed" the virtual package mail-transport-agent, but I don't know how to do that. |
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| 23:48.40 | Skolem | For instance, apt-get wants to install exim when all I want is mutt. |
| 23:48.47 | bucky | Skolem, apt-cache search equivs |
| 23:48.52 | Skolem | Thanks. |
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| 23:48.57 | jarango | jetscreamer: But what if I want to use non-debian source |
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| 23:49.13 | aidehua | dpkg: can I use you to do an apt-cache search? |
| 23:49.14 | dpkg | bugger all, i dunno, aidehua |
| 23:49.21 | Agrajag- | bucky: what am i looking for with cdrecord -scanbus? |
| 23:49.26 | jetscreamer | jarango, iirc it's also in the kernel.org sources |
| 23:49.50 | jetscreamer | aidehua, /msg dpkg find blah |
| 23:49.50 | bucky | Agrajag-, is this a burner - scsi or just a cdrom ide ? |
| 23:50.00 | Agrajag- | bucky: it only lists my HDD under scsibus0: |
| 23:50.02 | Skolem | Great, that works. |
| 23:50.05 | Agrajag- | it's an ide burner |
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| 23:50.28 | kuonSama | hello |
| 23:50.32 | jetscreamer | Agrajag-, is this 2.4 kernel? |
| 23:50.34 | kristiank | well, I just tried #debian-kde but nobody right now. Nobody here expert in kde ? |
| 23:50.47 | jetscreamer | still, shouldn't need scsi just to read a cd |
| 23:50.51 | aidehua | jetscreamer: ta |
| 23:50.53 | Agrajag- | jetscreamer: nah, 2.6.10 |
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| 23:51.22 | jarango | jetscreamer: are the kernel.org sources the ones they called "pristine" ? |
| 23:51.34 | Empty | so... if I am sshed into a box remotely, what tool can I use to pop up a widget on their X session? |
| 23:51.41 | Empty | specifically, a message |
| 23:51.44 | Agrajag- | xmessage |
| 23:52.00 | jetscreamer | jarango, yeah think so... aka clean, not patched by 3rd parties |
| 23:52.06 | Empty | I can't seem to get xmessage to do the trick, it tries to tunnel back to my xsession |
| 23:52.06 | Agrajag- | you may have to export DISPLAY=:0.0 or something first so it doesn't try to ssh forward it |
| 23:52.17 | Empty | Agrajag-, thanks a ton |
| 23:52.19 | jetscreamer | jarango, still the patch is in there but it's still considered pristine |
| 23:52.58 | kristiank | nobody can help me here with this sigsegv of korganizer ? |
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| 23:53.02 | technoMyst | if i want apache with ssl do i install apache-mod-ssl or apache and apache-ssl |
| 23:53.08 | bucky | Agrajag-, can you just modprobe ide-cd and mount -t iso9660 /dev/hdd /cdrom |
| 23:53.10 | cafuego | technoMyst: yes |
| 23:53.18 | Agrajag- | bucky: lemme see.. |
| 23:53.29 | Empty | Agrajag-, that works, thanks a ton |
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| 23:54.01 | Agrajag- | bucky: i dont seem to have ide-cd. it's a custom kernel.. let me check what i did |
| 23:54.14 | Agrajag- | (well i dont have it as a module anyway) |
| 23:54.20 | bucky | ic |
| 23:54.30 | Agrajag- | but i do have an ide dvd drive, which does mount cds fine |
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| 23:55.56 | jarango | jetscreamer: But make-kpkg always warns about applying cramfs patches. I don't understand.... if it's in the kernel.org sources than it wouldn't be called a patch and there would be no reason to warn |
| 23:56.17 | oneo | hey guys - in X, whenever i start up a program it gives me the outline of a white box to move and click where i want the program to start...is there any way to have it just start at a default location? its pretty annoying |
| 23:56.27 | jetscreamer | jarango, i know what you are talking about, you can ignore it. |
| 23:56.34 | Agrajag- | bucky: yeah i've got ide-cd built in |
| 23:56.39 | Empty | oneo, what window manager are you using? |
| 23:56.42 | jetscreamer | unless you have some weird ass source |
| 23:56.47 | PerfDave | oneo: Use a different window manager, or reconfigure your exisitng one. |
| 23:57.04 | oneo | fvwm |
| 23:57.23 | bucky | Agrajag-, and the module cdrom ? |
| 23:57.24 | Empty | oneo, icky, try fxce or fluxbox if you want a simple clean little WM |
| 23:57.40 | jarango | jetscreamer: Is that warning something that used to be valid but it no longer is ? |
| 23:57.41 | Empty | oneo, xfce I mean |
| 23:57.45 | kuonSama | I got configure: error: termcap support not found on compiling |
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| 23:57.51 | kuonSama | but I just installed termcap-compat |
| 23:57.52 | inc|freaky | i got another question: im trying to install window decorations for KDE, now, where is KDE installed in debian? i cant use the /usr/include/kde/ directory, can i? |
| 23:57.55 | kuonSama | I'm on sarge |
| 23:58.32 | jetscreamer | jarango, yeah pretty much... but may still be applicable, like maybe with a woody source or something (not sure) |
| 23:58.48 | roo9 | i have a number of mail folders under my home directory, actually about 100 of them, for some reason, i use directories to organize them and accecss them over IMAP. All mail is under ~/mail and my imap prefix in my client is set to ~/mail, however i get files showing up in my home directory like "mailNANOG" which contains mail destined for ~/mail/NANOG. Any ideas why? |
| 23:58.53 | Paganist | oh !!?? mono is not included in debian ? |
| 23:59.05 | Paganist | can't find the package... |
| 23:59.15 | jarango | jetscreamer: thanks |
| 23:59.47 | bucky | Agrajag-, do you have /dev/cdrom -> /dev/cdrom0 and /dev/cdrom0 -> /dev/hdd |
| 23:59.53 | PerfDave | roo9: Which IMAP client? Sounds like it has its folder delimiter set incorrectly. |
