| 00:00.09 | bartolo | noatun solo me funciona como root. Alguna idea |
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| 00:00.15 | mdh | m0nk3y8oy: first, you must configure your brain. If your brain isn't configured, you cannot apply anything in it to apmd |
| 00:00.18 | codc | sry - may someone can help me - is threre someone how have expirience with hostap ? |
| 00:00.30 | m0nk3y8oy | thanks thats really helpful |
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| 00:01.01 | mdh | m0nk3y8oy: repeat after me: "I will read the documentation. The documentation is my friend." |
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| 00:01.15 | toresbe | <PROTECTED> |
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| 00:01.27 | Guerin | toresbe: beatings |
| 00:01.30 | toresbe | grrr, had scrolled back :P |
| 00:01.38 | Stew2 | What images do I need to write to floppies to get sarge working with a over the network install from the internet? |
| 00:01.38 | codc | i ask in his way because i cant discripe in a very shot way |
| 00:01.50 | Stew2 | I've got boot.img and net-drivers.img written already |
| 00:01.54 | toresbe | codc: It should be shot... |
| 00:02.10 | vladster | When I use some apps in gnome, I get GTK assertion errors for some of the apps, is there a fix for this ? |
| 00:02.11 | mdh | <PROTECTED> |
| 00:02.16 | mdh | whoops, damn space key ;) |
| 00:02.17 | bob2 | m0nk3y8oy: there's nothing to configure |
| 00:02.23 | toresbe | heh |
| 00:02.36 | Stew2 | Do I need to write cd-drivers.img and root.img too? |
| 00:02.39 | codc | i mean a short way - sry |
| 00:03.02 | Phated | Stew2: root, yes. cd-drivers, no. |
| 00:03.21 | vladster | The thing is I don't know if this a Gnome problem or a Debian linker problem |
| 00:03.21 | Stew2 | Phated So I need root.img, boot.img, and net-drivers.img? |
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| 00:03.39 | m0nk3y8oy | why does the kernel log show no apm present? |
| 00:03.39 | mdh | toresbe: is that comment and mine somehow related? ;) |
| 00:03.43 | bob2 | toresbe: you sick puppy |
| 00:03.49 | bob2 | m0nk3y8oy: do you have apm hardware? |
| 00:03.50 | Phated | Stew2: Pretty much. One to boot with, oen to insert when it makes noises, and one for your NIC. |
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| 00:04.05 | toresbe | bob2: IRIX is FUN! ^_^ |
| 00:04.08 | m0nk3y8oy | it's a laptop |
| 00:04.15 | bob2 | toresbe: it's shit |
| 00:04.18 | Stew2 | phated: On when it make noises? What do you mean, when it prompts me? |
| 00:04.19 | bob2 | terribly, terrbily shit |
| 00:04.21 | m0nk3y8oy | is there a compatibility list? |
| 00:04.23 | Phated | Stew2: Ys. |
| 00:04.59 | toresbe | bob2: It's fun shit! :P |
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| 00:05.10 | bob2 | m0nk3y8oy: you don't know what hardware you have? |
| 00:05.15 | joaopaulo | the default place to install software on debian is /usr and not /usr/local ? |
| 00:05.21 | Erpo | Ok. I just went into aptitude and messed everything up, but I quit before I accidentally applied my settings. How do I reset aptitude so that it reflects the way my system is now and not how I accidentally instructed it to change it? |
| 00:05.22 | Phated | Stew2: You start off with boot.img and boot, insert root.img at a certain point of time when it says to insert the root stuff ('s fairly obvious), and then install the NIC driver at an appropriate time. |
| 00:05.28 | m0nk3y8oy | its a thinkpad 600 and yes it has a supported apm bios |
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| 00:05.37 | caphuso | joaopaulo: debian follows the FHS |
| 00:05.40 | m0nk3y8oy | i have had other distros installed and apm working |
| 00:05.49 | Phated | Grrr, why do people like him get Thinkpads. |
| 00:05.54 | xFlux | can someone help me if I set them up with vnc for rndc/bind setup? |
| 00:05.57 | vladster | this is the error I get |
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| 00:06.01 | vladster | (synaptic:5083): Gtk-CRITICAL **: file gtklabel.c: line 2792 (gtk_label_set_use_underline): assertion `GTK_IS_LABEL (label)' failed |
| 00:06.04 | joaopaulo | caphuso, what FHS said? |
| 00:06.10 | caphuso | joaopaulo: /msg dpkg fhs |
| 00:06.14 | xFlux | just a basic setup, bot a full zone setup |
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| 00:07.14 | mdh | Phated: money beats good looks ;) |
| 00:07.33 | Phated | mdh: Fuck that, who cares about looks. |
| 00:08.10 | zinx | or money, for that matter... |
| 00:08.43 | mdh | people with standards? |
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| 00:09.24 | Phated | LOOKS? Hardly standards. I'd say people with none would care about -looks-. |
| 00:10.05 | mdh | Phated: true, I don't really have a working PC, and I care about looks ;) |
| 00:10.10 | zinx | but omg if u look good and have lots of money.. WUT ELSE IS THER??? |
| 00:10.20 | Phated | The ability to type properly, FFS. |
| 00:10.28 | zinx | Phated: :P |
| 00:10.30 | mdh | zinx: vicodin? ;) |
| 00:10.33 | caphuso | zinx: more money |
| 00:10.34 | Phated | Or plastic surgery. |
| 00:10.39 | zinx | Phated: sarcasmeter broken? |
| 00:10.40 | Phated | Or, hey! Brains! |
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| 00:10.47 | Lo_Meinix | Hello |
| 00:10.51 | zinx | caphusa: oooh, good point |
| 00:10.59 | eflynn | or not being an elitist asshole |
| 00:11.09 | zinx | eflynn: impossible |
| 00:11.17 | sussudio | elitist? moi? |
| 00:11.20 | Phated | zinx: It's stuck on "fire". |
| 00:11.25 | mdh | eflynn: you want WHAT?!?! |
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| 00:11.31 | Garp | Hi. |
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| 00:12.01 | mdh | Lo_Meinix: cool? you dickhead, they're assholes |
| 00:12.19 | Garp | Question: to have my network card to work I must type "modprobe sis900": What is the best way for this to automatically append at boot ? |
| 00:12.19 | Phated | Says the one calling people dickheads. |
| 00:12.23 | Lo_Meinix | mdh: without elitist assholes what would we have? Nothing. |
| 00:12.31 | dvs | Garp: /etc/modules |
| 00:12.37 | Phated | Garp: add "sis900" to the file /etc/modules |
| 00:12.45 | mdh | since when has being an asshole ever shown even a modicum of chill? |
| 00:12.46 | eflynn | groundhog day! |
| 00:12.49 | Garp | Phated : just like this by hand ? |
| 00:12.49 | directhex | Lo_Meinix, mdh, is there a point to all this? |
| 00:12.57 | Phated | Garp: It's -one- line. |
| 00:13.16 | Lo_Meinix | directhex: I dunno, I'm just fanning the flame. ;) |
| 00:13.18 | scarynetworkguy | !be typing barbie |
| 00:13.19 | zinx | my other IRC nick isn't an elitist asshole |
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| 00:13.26 | Erpo | How do I remove just one package without removing packages that depend on it? |
| 00:13.26 | Garp | Phated : OK :-) I thought there was some interface for this$ |
| 00:13.40 | mdh | directhex: yes. the channel was silent for too long. |
| 00:13.43 | Guerin | Erpo: you don't |
| 00:13.43 | dvs | Erpo: That's not a good idea |
| 00:13.51 | zinx | Garp: there is, but it kind of sucks |
| 00:13.54 | zinx | Garp: 'modconf' |
| 00:13.56 | Phated | Garp: nano has a nice interface. |
| 00:14.02 | zinx | Garp: faster to add it by hand, usually |
| 00:14.02 | scarynetworkguy | Garp: Are you thinking of modconf |
| 00:14.03 | Garp | zinx : OK... |
| 00:14.08 | Garp | Phated : I prefer vi |
| 00:14.16 | Garp | scarynetworkguy : likely, yes. |
| 00:14.16 | Paganist | Phated: nano was stolen from "pico" |
| 00:14.21 | Guerin | Garp: echo modulename >> /etc/modules; |
| 00:14.22 | Paganist | just to make a GNU thing |
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| 00:14.28 | kirbymeister | GNUbies |
| 00:14.33 | Guerin | just to make free software, yeah |
| 00:14.43 | Phated | Garp: You mean vim. vi itself is much harder to use. |
| 00:14.45 | kirbymeister | is the new name for people new to Linux |
| 00:14.45 | Garp | Paganist : pico is for pine, : Evil non-free stuff ;-) |
| 00:14.45 | directhex | curse them! /me goes back to solaris |
| 00:14.52 | Guerin | vi is for people who get comfused easily |
| 00:14.52 | Paganist | I love debian, i still prefer BSD license |
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| 00:15.03 | Phated | Paganist: It's dfsg-free. I'm happy. Screw pico. |
| 00:15.04 | kirbymeister | I hate the BSD license it has no copyleft |
| 00:15.09 | Erpo | Guerin, dvs: I want to remove abiword-common and abiword-gnome and the appropriate gnumeric packages. This causes gnome-office to be removed, which causes gnome to be removed, which causes a bunch of other things I do want (like Evolution) to be removed. I don't want that. |
| 00:15.10 | Guerin | kirbymeister: word |
| 00:15.13 | Garp | Phated : for basic things (like adding a line) they are equivalent. |
| 00:15.24 | Paganist | bsd makes really free |
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| 00:15.28 | Phated | Garp: Still prefer vim. :) |
| 00:15.35 | Guerin | Paganist: no. |
| 00:15.36 | Paganist | you can simply do whatever you want with the code |
| 00:15.45 | Erpo | Guerin, dvs: It's lying when it says anything depends on abiword and gnumeric. |
| 00:15.47 | Guerin | Paganist: including make it non-free. Not very free. |
| 00:15.51 | Garp | Phated : well... I really prefer xemacs if for coding |
| 00:16.08 | Phated | Oh, FFS, the free-est is just fucking THROWING the code out on the internet without any licence. |
| 00:16.09 | Guerin | Erpo: apt-get remove abiword? |
| 00:16.13 | dvs | Erpo: Have you tried just removing abiword-gnome? |
| 00:16.19 | Paganist | Guerin: including make it non-free, the original code still is free |
| 00:16.19 | Guerin | Phated: no, that's not true either |
| 00:16.26 | Guerin | that's worse than bsd |
| 00:16.31 | Phated | Yeah well. |
| 00:16.34 | Paganist | Guerin: so you force ppl to make is free, it's a loss of freedom |
| 00:16.42 | Little_Dump | how can i get my touchpad and scroll buttons on my laptop to work in debian? |
| 00:16.43 | Paganist | to force someone to make free |
| 00:16.51 | Paganist | real freedom is "do whatever" |
| 00:17.00 | Paganist | the person decides then |
| 00:17.10 | Guerin | Paganist: no. You choose what conditions you want your code to be used under, meaning that someone can't go and tweak it and put a nice gui on it and then sell it back to you |
| 00:17.20 | Erpo | Guerin, dvs: That remove gnome-office and gnome too. |
| 00:17.31 | vulture | Paganist: depends who's freedom you are talking about.. in a society of more than one person defining freedom as "do whatever" isn't applicable to all.. |
| 00:17.31 | Garp | Paganist : real freedom is for the developper to choose wich licence to take ? |
| 00:17.34 | Guerin | Paganist: this clueless argument has been had a trillion times, and I'm not going to have it again: you're dead wrong. |
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| 00:18.00 | Garp | Paganist : are you from the US ? |
| 00:18.03 | mdh | !start a license flamewar |
| 00:18.07 | Paganist | Garp: nah |
| 00:18.10 | kirbymeister | VI is crap (it's just ED with a text display) but VIM is pretty good. |
| 00:18.19 | kirbymeister | crap |
| 00:18.24 | sparr | I can connect to gamesurge.net in xchat but not in bitchx (address family not supported by protocol). help? |
| 00:18.27 | kirbymeister | I guess it's not a licence flamewar... |
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| 00:18.36 | Guerin | !start a license war |
| 00:18.37 | dpkg | GPL r0xx0rs! |
| 00:18.43 | Paganist | Okay, well i agree BSD is more freedom wose for the developper and GNU is more freedom for the user |
| 00:18.44 | Guerin | !botsnack |
| 00:18.44 | dpkg | thanks, Guerin |
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| 00:19.17 | surreal_ | why when i do apt-get remove bluefish, it also tries to remove gnome? |
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| 00:19.28 | Paganist | ... and i'm developper |
| 00:19.28 | Phated | gnome is a metapackage, just let it remove it. |
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| 00:19.38 | kirbymeister | BSD is not that good because Microsoft can go, take your code and improve it, strip it of it's rights and lock up the world |
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| 00:19.49 | kirbymeister | I removed GNOME and I'm using it right now! |
| 00:19.51 | surreal_ | ok, thanks. just for understanding, what is meant by metapackage? |
| 00:19.52 | samuel | ok |
| 00:20.03 | morgan | how do i mount a ntfs filesystem in debian? |
| 00:20.06 | kirbymeister | metapackage installs a bunch of stuff by listing it as dependancies |
| 00:20.09 | Phated | !metapackage |
| 00:20.09 | dpkg | i guess metapackage is a package that normally exists for convenience. It has no content, it just depends on other packages so that you don't have to have a hundred things on an apt-get command line. |
| 00:20.11 | Phated | There. |
| 00:20.14 | mdh | surreal_: a package that doesn't actually provide anything itself, it just has a bunch of dependencies on other stuff |
| 00:20.23 | kirbymeister | You can safely remove metapackages |
| 00:20.27 | kirbymeister | or their dependancies |
| 00:20.33 | surreal_ | ahh ok, thanks much :) |
| 00:20.39 | kirbymeister | I learned that when removing udev |
| 00:21.00 | surreal_ | my gnome installation wouldn't work without udev heh |
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| 00:21.12 | dvs | Garp: Hear that? You can safely remove meta packages like gnome and gnome-office |
| 00:21.19 | morgan | excuse me... i know i am a newbi ... but how do i mount a ntfs filesystem? |
| 00:21.37 | mdh | morgan: mount -t ntfs /dev/whatever /some/mount/point |
| 00:22.44 | Garp | dvs: I'm not so sure |
| 00:23.05 | Little_Dump | how can i get my touchpad and scroll buttons on my laptop to work in debian? |
| 00:23.07 | Garp | dvs: If I remove kde the all kde apps will be listed as "UNUSED" and removed by aptitude |
| 00:23.40 | dvs | Garp: gnome and gnome-office are meta packages. If you remove them, no actual programs will be removed. |
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| 00:23.59 | Erpo | dvs: aptitude will remove packages depended on by gnome if gnome is removed. |
| 00:24.15 | mdh | morgan: 'man mount' for other options |
| 00:24.15 | Erpo | dvs: I'm looking at it right now and that's what it's telling me. |
| 00:24.17 | samuel | ive re-installed apache, but apache2.conf was not replaced? is there a special command i have to do to overwrite config files that are not there? |
| 00:24.49 | dvs | Erpo: That's dumb. No wonder I don't use aptitude. |
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| 00:25.33 | sofaSpud | ok, I just changed my default wm. I tried restartin xdm, also tried "init S" then "init 2". How do I get it to launch the newly chosen wm? |
| 00:25.33 | Guerin | because aptitude removes deps unless you tell it not to |
| 00:25.48 | pingouin | how can i see the ouput of a command on standard output AND send it to a file ? (sorry i know it's a stupid question) |
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| 00:26.12 | Erpo | dvs: I've seen other programs that do this too. "These packages are being deleted because they were automatically installed to fulfill dependencies, and the planned action will result in no installed package declaring and 'important' dependency on them." |
| 00:26.12 | Garp | dvs: that's a nightmare. Imagine jyou just dont want kuseless-app. You do "apt-get remove kuseless-app", it works fine. Then you use aptitude and it list 100 of kde packages as "to be removed" and you're done... |
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| 00:26.40 | Duke | how do you know if you have gtk2-xtf enabled, im trying to download sunbird and don't know which to choose |
| 00:26.50 | strubbel | how do i trigger a deb build if debian/rules only patches, /debian/rules binary? |
| 00:26.54 | Guerin | Duke: are you using gnome 2? |
| 00:26.57 | Duke | yes |
| 00:27.00 | morgan | mdh: so how do i know what device my ntfs partition is? |
| 00:27.08 | dvs | Erpo: That's so dumb. |
| 00:27.14 | Guerin | Duke: you've got it then |
| 00:27.20 | Duke | good deal, thanks |
| 00:27.22 | Guerin | Duke: unless you built it yourself without |
| 00:27.36 | Guerin | morgan: fdisk -l |
| 00:27.56 | Erpo | Anyone know how to stop aptitude from killing my system? Any suggestions would be great. |
| 00:28.05 | Garp | dvs: it has it's pros, it sould let less useless stuff. because when you install an app and removve it, depenmdencies that were only used by that one are removed |
| 00:28.16 | Guerin | Erpo: don't use it, or look for a config option to disable auto-removing-depends |
| 00:28.29 | dvs | Garp: That's what deborphan is for. |
| 00:28.30 | Guerin | Erpo: or mark thos packages as n'not-deps' |
| 00:29.17 | Erpo | Guerin: But I want it to automatically remove depends. It keeps my system clean and fresh. I just don't want it to think that gnome depends on gnome-office when it actually doesn't. |
| 00:29.19 | morgan | guerin: fdisk -l doesent do anything!? |
| 00:29.27 | mdh | Erpo: apt-get purge apititude |
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| 00:29.37 | Garp | my new machine seems to work |
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| 00:30.10 | Blitx | where are the kernel source things? |
| 00:30.18 | Cisyouc | i8253 count too high! resetting... |
| 00:30.22 | Cisyouc | what does that mean? |
| 00:30.26 | Erpo | mdh: Ok. So aptitude is bad. What should I use then to wrangle my system? |
| 00:30.37 | Cisyouc | Erpo: synaptic |
| 00:30.39 | Guerin | morgan: be root |
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| 00:30.59 | Guerin | Erpo: apt-get; this behavior should be configurable; if it's not, file a bug against it |
| 00:31.08 | Xemacs_ | <<< likes aptitude |
| 00:31.11 | mdh | GNOME the desktop environment doesn't depend on gnome-office, but gnome the debian metapackage does. |
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| 00:31.26 | morgan | guerin: i am root... but it doesent giv any respons |
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| 00:31.44 | nvz | mdh: so don't install gnome then |
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| 00:32.11 | Garp | I do use aptitude, I'm just cautious when removing stuff |
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| 00:32.26 | mdh | nvz: I'm just trying to explain the dependency |
| 00:32.37 | nvz | mdh: a base gnome install would be like apt-get install gnome-session gnome-panel gnome-panel-applets capplets nautilus |
| 00:32.46 | nvz | mdh: maybe gdm |
| 00:32.55 | Garp | ok, good night |
| 00:33.02 | mdh | nvz: or just gnome-desktop-environment ;) |
| 00:33.05 | nvz | and well megashitty I guess |
| 00:33.13 | Garp | I just setup my new PC with debian stable and sshd is working |
| 00:33.16 | nvz | mdh: sure |
| 00:33.24 | Garp | so that I'll continue tomorow remotely |
| 00:33.30 | nvz | mdh: the gnome and kde meta packages are to install ALL of gnome and kde |
| 00:33.40 | Garp | so, now, time to sleep :-) |
| 00:33.47 | Garp | good night ! |
| 00:33.53 | Erpo | Night Garp. |
| 00:33.53 | mdh | nvz: although that also throws in epiphany, themes, file-roller, etc etc |
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| 00:34.23 | Little_Dump | how can i get my touchpad and scroll buttons on my laptop to work in debian? The laptop has 2 buttons + an up scroll and down scroll |
| 00:34.26 | mdh | nvz: exactly. Erpo whined about the gnome metapackage wrt. dependencies |
| 00:34.32 | nvz | mdh: yeah a complete gnome environment, with web browser themes, gtk based frontends to gnu tools |
| 00:34.38 | shmike | what program would i use to remote desktop with a windows user? |
| 00:34.44 | misfitx7 | where do i find error messages from the boot process |
| 00:34.46 | hypa7ia | Little_Dump: you need the synaptics drivers |
| 00:34.52 | mdh | shmike: tsclient |
| 00:34.55 | samuel | aspseek or mnogosearch? anyone give me their opinion please? |
| 00:35.14 | shmike | ok mdh: i will look it up |
| 00:35.17 | Little_Dump | hypa7ia: im not sure that its a synaptics touchpad. plus dont i need to patch the kernel for those? |
| 00:35.28 | nvz | opinions are like assholes, everyone's got one and nobody wants to hear em |
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| 00:35.40 | dvs | or smell them |
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| 00:35.52 | mdh | samuel: aspseek is a steaming pile of dog turd. But having never used mnogosearch, perhaps it smells sweeter ;) |
| 00:36.02 | hypa7ia | Little_Dump: they're as modules in the 2.6 debian kernel, iirc... plus, 95% of laptop touchpads are synaptics |
| 00:36.38 | orfeu | when will be ready sarge ? |
| 00:36.45 | dvs | uh oh |
| 00:36.49 | samuel | mdh, those are the only two I know of, you know any others? |
| 00:36.51 | misfitx7 | where would i find error messages from hotplug |
| 00:36.55 | dvs | orfeu: /msg dpkg wwsr |
| 00:36.58 | morgan | i have 3 partitions... one htfs and two linux filesystems... with device is the ntfs one? |
| 00:37.32 | dvs | morgan: as root, fdisk -l |
| 00:37.47 | Little_Dump | hypa7ia: so i dont need to patch or what? |
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| 00:38.13 | hypa7ia | Little_Dump: as root, try: modprobe synaptics |
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| 00:38.48 | morgan | dvs: it doesent list anything... |
| 00:38.59 | mdh | samuel: I know of heaps. Of course, you might not be able to afford some (many?) of them |
| 00:39.15 | samuel | mdh, lol |
| 00:39.28 | mdh | <--- works for a search/km company |
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| 00:39.50 | morgan | dvs: i have ultra ata 100 thing... can that have anything to do with it? |
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| 00:40.25 | samuel | mdh, you wouldnt happen to know any cheap (free?) ones? |
| 00:40.43 | mdh | samuel: namazu is another one that's free that's in debian |
| 00:40.43 | dvs | morgan: On a PCI controller? |
| 00:40.44 | misfitx7 | i think im having problems with hotplug where do i start troubleshooting? |
| 00:41.06 | samuel | mdh, thanks, ill have a look at that |
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| 00:41.20 | chealer | dvs: hey, thx for the command, works super for me :) |
| 00:41.21 | nvz | misfitx7: apt-get --purge remove hotplug heh :) |
| 00:41.26 | morgan | dvs: nope... its integrated in the mobo... |
| 00:41.30 | mdh | samuel: I was a bit harsh with aspseek. it's pretty stable but just lacks extensibility |
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| 00:42.19 | mdh | samuel: and its results are a lot like altavista. do a search on subject A and you get pretty much every document on every subject BUT A ;) |
| 00:42.28 | samuel | mdh, i uninstalled it, i just didnt like it very much, and not wanting to write my own search engine... |
| 00:42.34 | morgan | dvs promise ultra 100 ide controller |
| 00:42.39 | dvs | chealer: At least I know I'm not crazy. ;-) |
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| 00:42.51 | penta | my server load is high because of these to process 4 root 19 19 0 0 0 R 69.1 0.0 71:44.72 ksoftirqd_CPU1 ksoftirqd_CPU0 does anybody know why ??? |
| 00:42.56 | nostromo^ | morgan, what does 'sfdisk -l' give? |
| 00:43.06 | dvs | morgan: Oh. I'm sure you need another kernel driver for that. |
| 00:43.34 | morgan | nostromo^, nothing |
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| 00:43.47 | samuel | mdh, hahaha.. so true... didnt even know altavista was still around |
| 00:43.48 | dvs | morgan: lspci | grep -i promise |
| 00:43.49 | morgan | dvs: but im running linux from it now... |
| 00:44.11 | MrP | Does "apt-get remove --purge wine" remove EVERYTHING wine related? I can't get it fixed and I just want to start out on a clean slate |
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| 00:44.24 | chealer | dvs: someone came to mount his ntfs partition a few days ago and I teached him withOUT that... cat /etc/fstab compared to ls -l /dev/hd*. shame on me |
| 00:44.27 | morgan | dvs, 0000:00:11.0 Unknown mass storage controller: Promise Technology, Inc. PDC20265 (FastTrak100 Lite/Ultra100) (rev 02) |
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| 00:44.56 | dvs | morgan: sec.. |
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| 00:44.57 | m0nk3y8oy | help! |
| 00:45.04 | m0nk3y8oy | still stuck with apm |
| 00:45.19 | sussudio | !irritate m0nk3y8oy |
| 00:45.20 | dpkg | m0nk3y8oy: hi every1 who uses cable lol |
| 00:45.26 | m0nk3y8oy | apmd is installed and running |
| 00:46.09 | dvs | morgan: as root, modprobe pdc202xx_old |
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| 00:46.36 | morgan | dvs, nothing |
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| 00:46.51 | rdancer | is there any earthly reason ::1 is not called localhost? i mean, would ::1 localhost instead of ::1 ip6-localhost ip6-loopback hurt that much? |
| 00:46.54 | m0nk3y8oy | apm -s produces no apm present |
| 00:46.55 | dvs | morgan: as root, fdisk -l |
| 00:46.59 | m0nk3y8oy | anyone? |
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| 00:47.13 | morgan | dvs, still nothing |
| 00:47.14 | rdancer | m0nk3y8oy: modprobe apm |
| 00:47.22 | chealer | sussudio: is dpkg output copylefted? |
| 00:47.23 | cole | is there a good respository that has things such as sunbird and php5 |
| 00:47.37 | m0nk3y8oy | modprobe apm produces no output |
| 00:47.41 | dvs | morgan: What? Does "lsmod | grep pdc" say anything? |
| 00:47.42 | sussudio | :-| |
| 00:47.44 | m0nk3y8oy | but i guess that is normal? |
| 00:47.51 | TheButteryWonder | cls |
| 00:47.56 | sgeigerbot | chealer: no |
| 00:47.58 | sussudio | password: |
| 00:48.16 | Xemacs_ | cole, www.apt-get.org |
| 00:48.17 | morgan | dvs, pdc202xx_old 9924 1 (autoclean) |
| 00:48.17 | morgan | ide-core 93980 2 (autoclean) [ide-scsi ide-cd ide-detect via82cxxx pdc202xx_old ide-disk] |
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| 00:48.41 | cole | Xemacs_ alright, thnaks |
| 00:48.42 | rellik | arg.... when I plug my ipod into the computer why doesn't it do anything? it used to put the device /dev/sda and put stuff into syslog.. now it doesn't seem to do anything :( |
| 00:48.44 | cole | thanks* |
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| 00:49.02 | dvs | morgan: That's a start. as root, echo pdc202XX_old >> /etc/modules |
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| 00:50.04 | morgan | dvs, done... no response |
| 00:50.21 | dvs | morgan: as root, fdisk -l /dev/sda |
| 00:50.49 | morgan | dvs, done .... no response |
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| 00:51.06 | dvs | morgan: Then I'm fresh out of ideas. |
| 00:51.38 | m0r3 | dpkg-reconfigure your mind lol |
| 00:51.44 | m0r3 | hello all |
| 00:51.45 | cole | apt-get.org doesn't have a single respo with mozilla sunbird |
| 00:51.46 | m0r3 | night |
| 00:51.59 | morgan | dvs, haha thanks anyway... |
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| 00:52.05 | jimmy3719 | hi all |
| 00:52.09 | mdh | cole: perhaps you haven't packaged it yet? |
| 00:52.12 | m0r3 | :>) |
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| 00:52.51 | dvs | morgan: try "mount | grep 'on /'" |
| 00:52.57 | cole | mdh: i couldn't even figure out how to build it |
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| 00:53.27 | dvs | morgan: correction "mount | grep 'on / '" |
| 00:53.28 | morgan | dvs, /dev/hde3 on / type ext3 (rw,errors=remount-ro) |
| 00:53.28 | morgan | proc on /proc type proc (rw) |
| 00:53.28 | morgan | devpts on /dev/pts type devpts (rw,gid=5,mode=620) |
| 00:53.28 | morgan | tmpfs on /dev/shm type tmpfs (rw) |
| 00:53.28 | morgan | usbfs on /proc/bus/usb type usbfs (rw) |
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| 00:53.39 | sussudio | !seen morons |
| 00:53.40 | dpkg | i haven't seen 'morons', sussudio |
| 00:53.45 | sussudio | dpkg: i have. |
| 00:53.45 | dpkg | i don't know, sussudio |
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| 00:53.51 | dvs | sussudio: That's my fault |
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| 00:53.59 | sussudio | !blame dvs |
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| 00:54.05 | morgan | dvs, did you se that? |
| 00:54.10 | mdh | sussudio: I've seen mormons, does that help? |
| 00:54.13 | dvs | morgan: Yes, that's my fault |
| 00:54.17 | sussudio | mdh: nein |
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| 00:54.28 | eflynn | dpkg: you're retarded |
| 00:54.28 | dpkg | bugger all, i dunno, eflynn |
| 00:54.31 | dvs | morgan: but I got my answer: as root "fdisk -l /dev/hde" |
| 00:54.38 | eflynn | !retard |
| 00:54.38 | dpkg | [retard] slow again, from latin 'tardis', time |
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| 00:54.55 | eflynn | !unstable |
| 00:54.55 | dpkg | it has been said that unstable is the status of a Debian release when packages can be added to the system at any time that might disrupt the integrity of the whole system! Ask me about <break>. not supported here, in general. It's also newspeak for not stable If you have to ask whether you should use unstable, you shouldn't. See testing. see sid |
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| 00:55.18 | m0r3 | someone wants some wine? cabernet sauvignon RESERVADO from concha y Toro |
| 00:55.39 | m0r3 | 2 bottlo right now lol |
| 00:55.46 | m0r3 | bootle ups |
| 00:55.52 | chealer | nickometer m0r3 |
| 00:55.57 | chealer | !nickometer m0r3 |
| 00:55.57 | dpkg | 'm0r3' is 99.570% lame, chealer |
| 00:56.03 | chealer | pretty lame |
| 00:56.04 | Seb | so metawire.org is down ? I haven't read anything about it recently (I mean since it came back up)... |
| 00:56.07 | m0r3 | hi dpkg |
| 00:56.31 | m0r3 | hi chealer |
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| 00:57.33 | rellik | anyone here good with hotplug? it used to detect my ipod and make a dev (/dev/sda) but now it doesn't do anything when I plug my ipod in.. it just acts as if nothing new was plugged in |
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| 00:57.50 | sussudio | !tell jasz about away |
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| 00:58.09 | duke_ | is there a good respository that has things such as sunbird |
| 00:58.15 | m0r3 | whay my cool-icam works fine whith xawtv, gqcam and gnomemeeting nad not work whith gtkam and gphoto |
| 00:58.15 | duke_ | apt-get.org doesn't have it |
| 00:58.52 | m0r3 | running sarge |
| 00:58.54 | Phated | unbiard hasn't been packaged. |
| 00:58.56 | morgan | dvs, i tried to mount it it but it says that i do not have permission!? |
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| 00:59.00 | Phated | Er, sunbird. |
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| 00:59.12 | duke_ | hmmm, this is the same as freenode :) |
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| 00:59.15 | dvs | morgan: Only root can do that. |
| 00:59.29 | m0r3 | were u from dpkg? |
| 00:59.35 | morgan | dvs, haha o sorry i forgott :) |
| 00:59.38 | duke_ | yall even talk the same |
| 00:59.51 | Phated | How about... This -is- freenode. |
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| 01:00.10 | morgan | how do i give a user access to it..? |
| 01:00.34 | chealer | !dpkg |
| 01:00.35 | dpkg | i heard dpkg is the debian package manager, sort of like the debian equivalent to rpm. a blootbot on #debian, or a bloodbot on #crack |
| 01:01.09 | morgan | dvs, how do i give a user access to it? |
| 01:01.10 | chealer | morgan: check man mount |
| 01:01.12 | dvs | morgan: That I'm not sure about. |
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| 01:01.45 | morgan | dvs, ok, thanks alot for your help! |
| 01:02.14 | Phated | morgan: add the word "user" to the list of options in /etc/fstab. |
| 01:02.16 | dvs | morgan: np |
| 01:02.44 | Phated | Like /dev/hda1 /mountpoint ntf user,rw 0 0. |
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| 01:03.38 | morgan | Phated, there is no /etc/fstab !? |
| 01:03.42 | m0r3 | were u from dpkg |
| 01:03.54 | chealer | m0r3: talk to the bot in private |
| 01:03.57 | Phated | morgan: There -cannot- be no /etc/fstab. |
| 01:04.18 | m0r3 | rgr |
| 01:04.42 | morgan | Phated, strange... i can only find fonts |
| 01:04.55 | Phated | You're -sure- you're running Debian, are you. |
| 01:05.01 | m0nk3y8oy | my logs show apm BIOS Version 1.2 Flags 0x03 (Driver version 1.16) |
| 01:05.12 | thorie | what tools would you use to create a software user's manual in .html and .pdf format? |
| 01:05.20 | morgan | Phated, sorry i am stupid as usual |
| 01:05.27 | m0nk3y8oy | apm: driver version: No APM present |
| 01:05.30 | Phated | morgan: No worries. Found it? |
| 01:05.44 | thorie | my first though was OpenOffice... but then i remember something called "LyX" that was pretty cool |
| 01:05.52 | thorie | though+t |
| 01:06.10 | Erpo | morgan: Don't forget http://linux-ntfs.sourceforge.net/info/ntfs.html#4.9 |
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| 01:08.05 | morgan | Phated, yes i found it... what do you mean with add user? |
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| 01:08.25 | Phated | morgan: Is there a line for the partition that you're trying to mount? |
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| 01:08.50 | Eagle101 | help.. somehow my sound pauses for 1-2 seconds randomly when i play something...?help please |
| 01:08.50 | morgan | Phated, no |
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| 01:09.09 | Phated | morgan: Then add a line. You should be able to tell the format from the other lines in the file. |
| 01:09.18 | chealer | Eagle101: with what player? |
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| 01:09.41 | Eagle101 | chealer: amarok |
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| 01:10.11 | Garp | (ok, I should be asleep) |
| 01:10.35 | chealer | Eagle101: does rythmbox do the dame? |
| 01:11.06 | Garp | Question: Is there a simple way to replicate the package content on one machine on another ? I have a machine with a given set of pkgs I would fill another with the same set. |
| 01:11.15 | Eagle101 | chealer: i dont know |
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| 01:11.43 | Phated | Garp: dpkg --get-selections. There's a nice trick with it, can't recall. |
| 01:11.51 | Phated | Garp: But that would replicate a list of packages you have. |
| 01:12.08 | chealer | Eagle101: you should try another player, juk also if you want |
| 01:12.12 | morgan | Phated, ok, how do i "activate" it... wonderful english |
| 01:12.20 | Garp | Phated : thanks, I have a look |
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| 01:12.27 | Phated | Garp: Ah. /msg dpkg selections :) |
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| 01:12.38 | Phated | morgan: Paste the line you entered, please. |
| 01:12.45 | vulture | random.. what tool would be good for printing an image over multiple pages? (gimp? something else?) |
| 01:13.00 | Garp | whow! |
| 01:13.00 | Phated | A very large printer? :) |
| 01:13.07 | morgan | /dev/hde5 /ntfs ntfs ro,umask=0222 0 0 |
| 01:13.11 | vulture | Phated: ;) |
| 01:13.13 | Garp | thanks phated and whoever filled that one on dpkg :-) |
| 01:13.18 | jharrison | Phated: what time is it there? |
| 01:13.27 | vulture | just got a big dot diagram of an expression tree I need to print so I can debug my program.. |
| 01:13.32 | Phated | morgan: Right after umask=0222, change it to umask=0222,user |
| 01:13.35 | Phated | vulture: :) |
| 01:13.36 | linoleum | hello , I upgraded my sid, and it ask me if I want to update /bin/sh to dash ... is dash beter than bash??? |
| 01:13.41 | Phated | jharrison: 0914 hrs. |
| 01:13.41 | vulture | (I would like to print, I could handle it on the screen, but it'd be nicer to draw all over) |
| 01:13.44 | caphuso | linoleum: no |
| 01:13.54 | Phated | vulture: Ah, diagrams then. |
| 01:13.56 | joaopaulo | i'm trying to use the -fn option in aterm, but it doesn't work, anybody can help me ? |
| 01:13.59 | caphuso | linoleum: don't do that, it'll just break random stuff |
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| 01:14.16 | morgan | Phated, ok |
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| 01:14.35 | Phated | morgan: After that, as a user, you can simply do mount /ntfs :) |
| 01:14.37 | m0r3 | joaopaulo voce ? brazileiro? |
| 01:14.54 | linoleum | caphuso: ok tkx mate :) I stick with bash |
| 01:14.54 | chealer | if my printer stalls printings a document, am I looking for a report to gs-* or cupsys? |
| 01:14.56 | joaopaulo | m0r3, yes, why? |
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| 01:15.10 | vulture | Phated: skye.shacknet.nu/~vulture/graph.ps |
| 01:15.14 | vulture | big pretty diagrams :) |
| 01:15.15 | Phated | jharrison: And before the inevitable question, no, I haven't slept. :) |
| 01:15.16 | m0r3 | eu reconheci seu nome |
| 01:15.20 | m0r3 | legal |
| 01:15.26 | Phated | vulture: Awww, ps. |
| 01:15.31 | joaopaulo | m0r3, :) ,de onde vc é ? |
| 01:15.32 | caphuso | vulture: poster |
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| 01:15.38 | m0r3 | sao paulo e voce? |
| 01:15.40 | tnks | I'm wondering is someone can explain the incredible lag I'm experiencing when ssh'ing the IP address that's assigned by my ISP from a computer behind a router (given that my router has port forwading of 22 set up). |
| 01:15.41 | vulture | caphuso: thanks, I'll check it out |
| 01:15.48 | joaopaulo | m0r3, blumenau |
| 01:15.51 | jharrison | Phated: I wasnt going to ask that |
| 01:15.57 | morgan | Phated, according to mtab, /dev/hde5 is already mounted on /ntfs |
| 01:15.59 | Phated | jharrison: Heh. |
| 01:16.01 | jharrison | Phated: I was going to ask if you work |
| 01:16.05 | jharrison | :-P |
| 01:16.09 | m0r3 | maravilha bom encontrar um conterraneo aqui!!! |
| 01:16.11 | Phated | morgan: Well, yes, because you mounted it as root earlier, didn't you? :) |
| 01:16.12 | vulture | Phated: well it looks prettier than the jpg output to tell you the truth.. I could just provide the original .dot file and then you can create whatever kind of image you want :) |
| 01:16.16 | mrwill | tnks: are there any logs entries? it may just take the router a while to set up the connection. |
| 01:16.18 | Phated | vulture: Heh. |
| 01:16.23 | joaopaulo | m0r3, #debian-br |
| 01:16.33 | Garp | bebye |
| 01:16.34 | m0r3 | yes its true |
| 01:16.49 | m0r3 | c u later |
| 01:16.54 | Phated | jharrison: Haha. |
| 01:16.56 | tnks | mrwill: in Debian where would such logs normally reside? |
| 01:17.03 | tnks | in /var/log somewhere? |
| 01:17.06 | mrwill | tnks: yes |
| 01:17.09 | yaarg | /var/log/ |
| 01:17.09 | Phated | Likely, yes. |
| 01:17.22 | morgan | Phated, haha, yes ofcoruse... now its working.. thanks :) |
| 01:17.22 | m0r3 | night all |
| 01:17.30 | m0r3 | bye dpkg |
| 01:17.41 | tnks | Also, these lags feel like the signal is oscillating. . . |
| 01:17.42 | m0r3 | dont forget reconfigure .... lol |
| 01:17.47 | m0r3 | bye |
| 01:17.51 | tnks | it's not at all your ordinary lag. |
| 01:17.54 | Phated | morgan: You can also unmount it aS a user now, umount /ntfs. :) |
| 01:18.06 | mrwill | tnks: oscillating? what do you mean? |
| 01:18.12 | rellik | I'm having problems with hotplug/usb/kernel/??? this is from my dmesg: http://www.rafb.net/paste/results/ylrNuc50.html... 2 of my USB things work but the 3rd (ipod) doesn't ... any ideas as to what to do? |
| 01:18.18 | tnks | bouncing between two nodes. |
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| 01:18.54 | mrwill | tnks: how far away is the ssh server? how long does it take to ping it? some lag is normal on remote shells. |
| 01:18.56 | guru | does anyone know where i can get ifogen and tocgen? |
| 01:19.03 | guru | google isn't of much help |
| 01:19.15 | mrwill | guru: they might be packaged in debian, did you check? |
| 01:19.17 | guru | i don't want to learn *how* to use it, i want to get it so that i *can* use it |
| 01:19.24 | guru | mrwill: yep |
| 01:19.29 | tnks | mrwill: I'm (just to test out a theory) ssh'ing into the exact same machine. |
| 01:19.41 | abrotman | guru: did you try "ifogen download" in google? |
| 01:19.52 | guru | abrotman: yes |
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| 01:20.07 | mrwill | tnks: well, then you could probably fairly say that the problem is in the network somewhere. |
| 01:20.07 | guru | i also tried apt-file search, apt-cache search |
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| 01:20.24 | tnks | mrwill: any guesses? |
| 01:20.27 | morgan | Phated, wee finaly :) |
| 01:20.36 | Phated | morgan: :) |
| 01:20.41 | abrotman | !ifogen |
| 01:20.48 | abrotman | guru: is it in debian ? |
| 01:20.53 | Phated | morgan: Mind, you probably can't write on it anyway, but NTFS write in linux is iffy at best. |
| 01:20.53 | abrotman | !find ifogen |
| 01:21.02 | guru | apparantly it comes with dvdrtools, however i have dvdrtools installed and it's nowhere to be found |
| 01:21.04 | mrwill | tnks: your router sucks? just blindly guessing, don't have much contextual info. |
| 01:21.21 | dpkg | Debian Package/File/Desc Search of 'ifogen' returned no results. |
| 01:21.21 | CrazyTB | Does someone have some experience with MPI with Debian? |
| 01:21.32 | abrotman | CrazyTB: why do you ask? |
| 01:21.48 | tnks | mrwill: possibly, but I don't know why a Netgear router would suck much more than the other routers out there. |
| 01:21.55 | CrazyTB | Because I NEED help with installing and configuring it. |
| 01:22.03 | mrwill | tnks: have you tried other routers, then? |
| 01:22.19 | abrotman | CrazyTB: who did you buy/download it from ? |
| 01:22.21 | abrotman | !mpi |
| 01:22.21 | dpkg | i guess mpi is Message Passing Interface, a parallel programming standard for SMPs and clusters. http://www.mcs.anl.gov/mpi. It is a library specification for message-passing proposed as a standard. MPI was designed for high performance on both massively parallel machines and on workstation clusters. See MPICH and MPILAM. |
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| 01:22.34 | ryty | where would I edit the PATH? |
| 01:22.39 | ryty | I always seem to forget |
| 01:22.44 | debian | !mpich |
| 01:22.45 | abrotman | ryty: yours or system wide? |
| 01:22.45 | dpkg | mpich is, like, http://www-unix.mcs.anl.gov/mpi/mpich/, a freely available, portable implementation of MPI. |
| 01:23.00 | ryty | abrotman: system wide |
| 01:23.06 | mrwill | ryty: you want /etc/profile |
| 01:23.06 | abrotman | ryty: /etc/profile |
| 01:23.10 | ryty | thanks guys |
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| 01:23.22 | abrotman | ryty: you're not adding . are you ? |
| 01:23.39 | ryty | no |
| 01:23.52 | ryty | I'm not stupid, just not aware |
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| 01:24.10 | nny | where can i edit the sources for apt-get? |
| 01:24.12 | CrazyTB | abrotman: I'm new to debian, but I'm experienced with Slackware (IOW, I'm not a noob). But I know nothing about mpi and I need information about how to configure it in Debian. |
| 01:24.21 | debian | nny: /etc/apt/sources.list |
| 01:24.26 | nny | thank you |
| 01:24.26 | ryty | nny: your home computer? |
| 01:24.30 | stepcut | anyone know of a program like cronolog or the rotatelogs (from apache), that will generate rotating logs from stdin, but *also* supports garbage collection of logs over X days old ? |
| 01:24.39 | abrotman | CrazyTB: but which implementation are you using? |
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| 01:24.41 | stepcut | I could perhaps fake it with cronolog, but.. |
| 01:24.50 | CrazyTB | I had "apt-get"ed some mpi-related packages. MPICH |
| 01:25.07 | abrotman | stepcut: logrotate ? |
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| 01:25.11 | MrP | I can I completely delete wine? Every last trace of it? |
| 01:25.23 | bob2 | remove the package |
| 01:25.28 | bob2 | oh, you didn't use a package? #winehq. |
| 01:25.28 | abrotman | CrazyTB: there's no #mpich ? |
| 01:25.34 | yaarg | dpkg --purge |
| 01:25.35 | dpkg | yaarg: are you smoking crack? |
| 01:25.36 | CrazyTB | abrotman: Not in this server. |
| 01:25.41 | yaarg | dpkg: ?! |
| 01:25.42 | dpkg | yaarg: I don't know, could you explain it? |
| 01:25.44 | debian | dpkg -i yaarg |
| 01:25.55 | yaarg | ! |
| 01:25.56 | MrP | bob2: I did use a package, but it still doesn't completely remove it all |
| 01:25.59 | yaarg | i didn't do anything! |
| 01:26.03 | bob2 | MrP: e.g.? |
| 01:26.08 | directhex | CrazyTB, usually you need to bind mpich against a particular compiler and network driver. this is from experience on RH, anyway |
| 01:26.10 | Piru | haha |
| 01:26.14 | ryty | abrotman: must I logout fully to get the full affect of a PATH change? |
| 01:26.15 | caphuso | yaarg: starting a line with "dpkg" will trigger the bot |
| 01:26.16 | abrotman | CrazyTB: hold a sec .. i'm gonna ask a guy who does MPI stuff |
| 01:26.17 | debian | !hug yaarg |
| 01:26.17 | MrP | I tried: apt-get remove --purge wine wine-utils libwine |
| 01:26.19 | abrotman | ryty: yes |
| 01:26.20 | ryty | effect- |
| 01:26.21 | stepcut | abrotman: logrotate does not take input from stdin, it just moves the file around on the disk, which freaks out some programs that are writing the log... |
| 01:26.22 | yaarg | caphuso: yeah i see now :) |
| 01:26.22 | yaarg | doh |
| 01:26.23 | ryty | ok, thanks |
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| 01:26.51 | caphuso | stepcut: only if you misconfigure it |
| 01:27.01 | abrotman | stepcut: uhm .. it does have a postrotate .. just SIGHUP the process |
| 01:27.05 | CrazyTB | This channel has many questions about lots of things. Would you like to join another channel to try to help me? (both directhex and abrotman) |
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| 01:27.31 | abrotman | CrazyTB: i know very little about doing actual MPI .. i have a friend who writes for MPI-Pro |
| 01:27.32 | penta | one my firewall i am getting lots of internel traffic how can i see which ips is responsible for the traffic its linux firewall with iptables ? |
| 01:27.50 | stepcut | abrotman: let me do a test... |
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| 01:27.57 | abrotman | CrazyTB: did you check the mpich site |
| 01:27.58 | abrotman | !iapf |
| 01:27.58 | dpkg | rumour has it, iapf is It's All Pete's Fault(http://www.itsallpetesfault.org) |
| 01:28.06 | caphuso | penta: by reading the logs |
| 01:28.11 | abrotman | pseubodot: yeah .. i see you .. damn canadian! |
| 01:28.22 | abrotman | !mpich |
| 01:28.22 | dpkg | mpich is probably http://www-unix.mcs.anl.gov/mpi/mpich/, a freely available, portable implementation of MPI. |
| 01:28.33 | Jacobo221 | I'm getting a strange msg when updating with apt: "E: Sub-process /usr/bin/dpkg returned an error code (2)" <- what's wrong??? I can't use apt any more now :-/ |
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| 01:28.42 | CrazyTB | abrotman: I still haven't. In fact, I installed the Debian system yesterday, and I haven't time to read any doc, yet. |
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| 01:29.09 | abrotman | CrazyTB: ah .. maybe you should start with the debian docs .. and the mpich docs |
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| 01:29.14 | CrazyTB | abrotman: And I won't use MPI, but people in the laboratry at university. |
| 01:29.17 | abrotman | CrazyTB: how many nodes are you talking? |
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| 01:29.32 | TheStar | I am using CUPS, and I can print to an alambic backend as any user, *EXCEPT* a particular one. |
| 01:29.41 | TheStar | How can I figure out what is wrong? |
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| 01:29.46 | Eagle101 | help. my sound keeps skipping randomly...this happens in almost all the apps that use sound...help ??? |
| 01:29.53 | CrazyTB | abrotman: At first time (IOW, for "just work"), only one. After some days or weeks, there can be 5 or 10 nodes. |
| 01:29.56 | abrotman | pseubodot: you can't hide from me |
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| 01:30.17 | stepcut | abrotman: ok, the process generating the log is a bash script that has done, exec >> "logfile" 2>&1, HUPing the bash process just kills the script... |
| 01:30.20 | pseubodot | abrotman: heh |
| 01:30.45 | abrotman | stepcut: can't you restart the process? |
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| 01:31.29 | stepcut | abrotman, the process is X, it would be painful... |
| 01:31.41 | stepcut | abortman: specifically, /etc/X11/Xsession |
| 01:31.42 | abrotman | CrazyTB: i'd start by reading the mpich and debian docs ... |
| 01:31.57 | abrotman | stepcut: X has its own logs .. why are you duplicating that? |
| 01:32.01 | stepcut | abortman: it keeps generating multi-gigabyte .xsession-error files |
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| 01:32.16 | stepcut | ~/.xsession-error |
| 01:32.24 | abrotman | so fix X? |
| 01:32.27 | abrotman | there's an idea :) |
| 01:32.30 | CrazyTB | abrotman: Yes, I agree. But the problem is a bit worse... They will use "intel fortran compiler". I need to know how to make it work. |
| 01:32.40 | CrazyTB | abrotman: But I will try the docs first. |
| 01:33.06 | abrotman | CrazyTB: why don't you just pull out all the weird stuff :) |
| 01:33.09 | debian | how to convert the timestamp to human readable time again? |
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| 01:33.33 | abrotman | !date |
| 01:33.34 | dpkg | The current date is Thu Feb 3 01:33:35 2005 (UTC of course, this is *NIX) |
| 01:33.36 | abrotman | just like that :) |
| 01:33.45 | stepcut | abortman: well, every process that runs under X that has no place else to send its stdout/stderr will send it to ~/.xsession-errors, because of the line in /etc/X11/Xsession -- which isn't bad, because that is often useful debug information, but what is bad is that it has no limits on ~/.xsessions-errors size |
| 01:33.53 | CrazyTB | abrotman: like what stuff? |
| 01:33.56 | stepcut | so, I thought I might *FIX X* so that it does |
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| 01:34.24 | TheStar | Cups actually gets to start the filter (It's internal pstops) and the backend, but then the backend is stopped by a signal 11. |
| 01:34.30 | TheStar | What on earth could be happening? |
| 01:34.31 | abrotman | CrazyTB: fortran .. intel fortran .. 1 node .. add more later .. probably myrinet too :) |
| 01:34.40 | Cisyouc | does 2.4.27 have an NTFS (writeable too) module and im just missing it? or.. |
| 01:34.47 | linoleum | I dont know ION window manager, I want to try it, should I try ION or ION 3 ? |
| 01:35.04 | Phated | ion3. |
| 01:35.06 | caphuso | linoleum: ion3 |
| 01:35.09 | pseubodot | abrotman: one more bounce |
| 01:35.15 | abrotman | !iapf |
| 01:35.15 | dpkg | well, iapf is It's All Pete's Fault(http://www.itsallpetesfault.org) |
| 01:35.23 | TheStar | As I mentioned, all *ALL* other users, (same group, same everything, only UID and username is different, and homedir) |
| 01:35.47 | Erpo | Cisyouc: People claim that the driver has write support. This isn't true, though. It has overwrite-only support, which is useless for almost everyone. Check out CaptiveNTFS |
| 01:36.03 | Cisyouc | Erpo: Will do, thanks |
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| 01:36.25 | dondelelcaro | debian: perl -MPOSIX=strftime -le 'print strftime(q(%c),localtime(1107394440))'; FE |
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| 01:37.14 | lOSTmONK | if i wanna just get a barebonse debian install, so i can pick and choose what packages i want, what do in go with? |
| 01:37.27 | Phated | lOSTmONK: netinstall. |
| 01:37.27 | dondelelcaro | lOSTmONK: yes, you can. |
| 01:37.40 | lOSTmONK | right, but which should i use? |
| 01:37.47 | lOSTmONK | they show like 3 of them |
| 01:37.48 | dondelelcaro | lOSTmONK: any install method will work. |
| 01:37.49 | linoleum | caphuso: tkx |
| 01:37.54 | lOSTmONK | and then those links show more stuff |
| 01:38.00 | Phated | You can just use CD1 of d-i. |
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| 01:38.15 | lOSTmONK | whats the diff between the big netinst and the bussiness card? |
| 01:38.22 | Phated | Not much. |
| 01:38.25 | abrotman | !eat pseubodot |
| 01:38.27 | Phated | Get the business card. |
| 01:38.31 | abrotman | no |
| 01:38.32 | abrotman | no |
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| 01:38.36 | abrotman | use the netinst |
| 01:38.44 | Phated | The business card -is- a netinst. |
| 01:38.55 | abrotman | no |
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| 01:39.00 | abrotman | it is a .. but requires net |
| 01:39.03 | abrotman | which is bad |
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| 01:39.12 | Phated | He wants a fucking -base-. The business card does that. |
| 01:39.21 | abrotman | so does netinst |
| 01:39.24 | lOSTmONK | but what is the base? |
| 01:39.26 | ideafix | were can i get suse kernel sources 2.6.8-24.11 so i can reinstal nvidia driver ? |
| 01:39.31 | abrotman | buscard gets the same base as netinst |
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| 01:39.38 | abrotman | but it *requires* net to get it |
| 01:39.38 | lOSTmONK | will it all be text or gui from that point? |
| 01:39.40 | Phated | Yes, but the business card is a smaller download. |
| 01:39.49 | caphuso | linoleum: text |
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| 01:39.50 | lOSTmONK | imm not worried about the size of the install |
| 01:39.52 | ideafix | were can i get suse kernel sources 2.6.8-24.11 so i can reinstal nvidia driver ? |
| 01:39.56 | caphuso | damn |
| 01:39.57 | Phated | lOSTmONK: Text. If you can't handle text, get FC3. |
| 01:39.58 | lOSTmONK | im just trying to eliminate some bloat |
| 01:39.59 | caphuso | linoleum: sorry |
| 01:40.02 | pseubodot | eeek! I have been eaten! |
| 01:40.06 | lOSTmONK | mepis is ultrbloat |
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| 01:40.16 | lOSTmONK | rofl |
| 01:40.19 | lOSTmONK | fedora |
| 01:40.22 | lOSTmONK | yuck |
| 01:40.29 | lOSTmONK | rpm's are eeeeeevil |
| 01:40.51 | Phated | Just... go. Read a couple of guides. A system isn't bloated unless you make it so. |
| 01:40.54 | abrotman | !eat pseubodot |
| 01:41.01 | abrotman | !bloat |
| 01:41.01 | dpkg | "GCC is the only one [GNU Software] that I really care about. A number of them I hate with a passion; the Emacs editor is horrible, for example. While Linux is larger than Emacs, at least Linux has the excuse that it needs to be." -- Linus Torvalds (father of Linux), or see emacs |
| 01:41.02 | initech | ideafix: what on earth are you talking about? |
| 01:41.04 | CrazyTB | lOSTmONK: the debian installation is from a nice text user interface. It's easy. |
| 01:41.18 | pseubodot | !eat abrotman |
| 01:41.18 | bender183 | lo i want to sync my palm pilot over wireless and i figured out the command to do it with pilot-xfer -p net:192.168.1.20 -l but im having problems with making an external palm sync fe utilize pilot-link any suggestions ? |
| 01:41.40 | lOSTmONK | CrazyTB: anything i should make sure to have written down before i do it? |
| 01:41.50 | dansushi | i get a segmentation fault when i try to instal realplayer 10 on mandrake 10.1 What should i do? |
| 01:42.00 | caphuso | dansushi: get a clue |
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| 01:42.01 | Phated | You SHOULD GO TO #MANDRAKE FFS! |
| 01:42.01 | lOSTmONK | mandrake? |
| 01:42.08 | lOSTmONK | rofl |
| 01:42.17 | dansushi | i'm noew with this |
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| 01:42.21 | dansushi | *new |
| 01:42.22 | Phated | Jeesus, and people wonder why #debian get annoyed. |
| 01:42.31 | Phated | dansushi: /part, /j #mandrake. |
| 01:42.32 | dansushi | i just installed a couple of weeks ago |
| 01:42.35 | bender183 | i still do |
| 01:42.43 | bender183 | you guys are a bunch of stuck up jerks |
| 01:42.45 | lOSTmONK | well dansushi, its just better to go ask in a channel for that distro |
| 01:42.50 | dansushi | i asked there too |
| 01:42.51 | Phated | No one's forcing you to stay, bender183. |
| 01:42.53 | bender183 | why dont you just help him or even give him some advice |
| 01:42.55 | abrotman | pseubodot: why you eat me@! |
| 01:43.00 | bender183 | instead of just mindlessly flaming |
| 01:43.05 | TheStar | How do I setup cups to simply print to a file? |
| 01:43.21 | dansushi | i asked there, they did not answer |
| 01:43.30 | pseubodot | abrotman: cuz yer tasty and cute and all |
| 01:43.35 | lOSTmONK | its a completely different kind of system |
| 01:43.38 | Phated | Well, you can... -wait- for an answer there, can't you. |
| 01:43.38 | abrotman | !yinzersmite pseubodot |
| 01:43.50 | caphuso | abrotman: could you stop that now? |
| 01:43.51 | CrazyTB | lOSTmONK: If you have some experience with linux, I don't think you need anything more. But, of course, the debian manual is always welcome. |
| 01:44.05 | abrotman | caphuso: the yinzersmite or abusing pseubodot ? |
| 01:44.10 | caphuso | abrotman: yes |
| 01:44.17 | abrotman | i didn't make yinzersmite |
| 01:44.28 | caphuso | abrotman: i really don't care |
| 01:44.33 | lOSTmONK | CrazyTB: ive been using mepis for 2 weeks |
| 01:44.38 | abrotman | we can make dpkg forget it |
| 01:44.41 | caphuso | i care about you being annoying |
| 01:44.41 | lOSTmONK | thats it, and it sux |
| 01:44.55 | abrotman | you could just tell me to hush up and go away for a bit |
| 01:45.07 | abrotman | which is fine |
| 01:45.11 | CrazyTB | lOSTmONK: wtf mepis? |
| 01:45.20 | lOSTmONK | is a deb based distro |
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| 01:45.28 | Eagle101 | Samus_Aran: now i know the problem is to artsd...even though i kill the artsd process, as soon as i open xmms, artsd appears again...then in xmms the songs keep skipping also? |
| 01:45.31 | resiak | !debian based |
| 01:45.31 | dpkg | Knoppix, Libranet, Corel/Xandros, Stormix, Progeny, Lindows, DamnSmallLinux, Xebian, Ubuntu, and so on are *not* Debian. Just because something's "based on" Debian doesn't mean we can support it. You'll get a Debian answer, and if it doesn't work, you're out of luck. |
| 01:45.33 | lOSTmONK | with 1500000000 things i dont want or need |
| 01:45.47 | Phated | lOSTmONK: How about just going off and installing Debian now, eh. |
| 01:45.54 | directhex | !debian solutions |
| 01:45.54 | dpkg | debian solutions are the answers to debian problems. we don't care if debian solutions don't apply to non-debian distributions (hardware issues with knoppix, packaging issues with linspire, whatever) |
| 01:45.54 | lOSTmONK | so i wanna go straight to debian |
| 01:45.54 | Eagle101 | !debian based |
| 01:45.55 | dpkg | Knoppix, Libranet, Corel/Xandros, Stormix, Progeny, Lindows, DamnSmallLinux, Xebian, Ubuntu, and so on are *not* Debian. Just because something's "based on" Debian doesn't mean we can support it. You'll get a Debian answer, and if it doesn't work, you're out of luck. |
| 01:45.57 | Phated | The Mepis abuse can go elsewhere. |
| 01:46.04 | sussudio | Phated: or you could just FOAD instead |
| 01:46.10 | sussudio | Phated: umm him |
| 01:46.10 | Cisyouc | Lindows is Debian based? hah. |
| 01:46.11 | Phated | sussudio: Moi |
| 01:46.13 | Phated | ? |
| 01:46.21 | Phated | sussudio: <snif> I thought you meant me. |
| 01:46.31 | directhex | dpkg, debian based =~ s/Lindows/Linspire/ |
| 01:46.31 | dpkg | directhex: OK |
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| 01:48.02 | chealer | Eagle101: so where are your sound test. which apps did you test? |
| 01:48.46 | chealer | killing artsd won't help much. fixing it would be better |
| 01:48.49 | Eagle101 | chealer: ok my sound skips in all sound programs...this is because of artsd..and i am trying to figure out how to stop artsd, but it doesnt work somehow |
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| 01:49.22 | chealer | Eagle101: how did you know it was artsd? did you test juk with gstreamer for example? |
| 01:49.44 | Azar | upgrading the kernel to 2.6.10 I have a dillema at Generic Driver Options because I want to be able to upgrade nvidia driver later on: [?] Select only drivers that do not need compile-time external firmware, [?] Prevent firmware from being built <M> Hotplug firmware loading support (NEW) |
| 01:49.47 | chealer | stopping artsd is like stopping your kernel if it's bugged |
| 01:49.58 | Azar | should I disable the first two [?] ? |
| 01:50.21 | directhex | Azar, how are those nvidia related? |
| 01:50.22 | caphuso | Azar: none of those affect the nvidia driver |
| 01:50.29 | Azar | oh thank you guys |
| 01:50.31 | Eagle101 | chealer: yes, in all of them sound skips |
| 01:50.54 | Azar | directhex, no it was just General Driver options |
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| 01:51.12 | chealer | Eagle101: sound skips in juk with gstreamer too? |
| 01:51.23 | ideafix | were can i get suse kernel sources 2.6.8-24.11 so i can reinstal nvidia driver ?or can i use 2.6.8-24.10 sources ? |
| 01:51.27 | Phated | It could be a simple matter of the system being too slow. |
| 01:51.30 | Guerin | alright, jetsetters of the world |
| 01:51.54 | Guerin | do international airports typically have storage space one can leave shit like suits and coats in? |
| 01:52.01 | Azar | lots of people with nvidia issues here huh |
| 01:52.04 | Eagle101 | chealer: well i dont know if juk is using gstreamer or not...but in amarok sound skips with xine and gstreamer |
| 01:52.07 | Phated | They have locker-type things, I think, Guerin. |
| 01:52.40 | Azar | the new 2.6.10 kernel version brings some new .ko modules which will bugger nvidia module |
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| 01:52.42 | chealer | Azar: I think you're not helping yourself with these issue if you have a custom kernel for fun |
| 01:53.04 | abrotman | Azar: lots of people with nvidia issues |
| 01:53.14 | Azar | chealer, I am not so expert with compiling /writing my own C stuff |
| 01:53.20 | sparr | so, linux has "eaten" my cdrom drive... i cant unmount it (busy) or eject it (mounted). i did a readonly remount, then a lazy unmount, now its unmounted but still wont eject. help? |
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| 01:53.30 | strubbel | do i assume right that snd-via686.o (alsa 0.9.* stable) is called snd-via82xx.o (alsa 1.0.7* testing) now? |
| 01:53.31 | chealer | Azar: then why do you compile your kernel? |
| 01:54.02 | Azar | chealer, firstly because I want to take advantage of a higher kernel with more options regarding hardware |
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| 01:54.12 | moshii | sparr: have you tried eject /dev/hdc or something like that? |
| 01:54.12 | chealer | Eagle101: you can select what juk uses too. do you have gnome installed? |
| 01:54.25 | caphuso | Azar: which of your hardware isn't supported by the kernel you have now? |
| 01:54.26 | Azar | chealer would you think 2.4.18 will be ok for me? |
| 01:54.29 | sparr | moshii: no, but I shall. |
| 01:54.44 | Eagle101 | chealer: yes, why? |
| 01:54.45 | Azar | caphuso, 2.4.18 will not support the new nvidia driver |
| 01:54.47 | Azar | in fact |
| 01:54.48 | chealer | Azar: hehe, I didn't say 2.4.18 but 2.6.8 looks better to me |
| 01:54.55 | Azar | there is no nvidia on 2.4.18 |
| 01:55.17 | Azar | chealer, 2.6.8 is gone from kernel.org |
| 01:55.25 | chealer | Eagle101: kde depends on artsd, while it won't start automatically in gnome |
| 01:55.26 | Azar | I only see 2.6.10 as latest stable |
| 01:55.44 | caphuso | Azar: use one of the debian kernel-images |
| 01:55.44 | chealer | Eagle101: so test your sound in gnome (with let's say amarok using gstreamer) |
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| 01:56.09 | chealer | Azar: you're running woody, right? |
| 01:56.27 | Azar | chealer, I WAS running woody half hour ago |
| 01:56.32 | Azar | now I am sid |
| 01:56.35 | caphuso | uthg |
| 01:56.35 | Azar | :) |
| 01:56.38 | caphuso | err, urgh |
| 01:56.44 | chealer | heh, I would have chosen testing |
| 01:56.52 | moshii | Azar: use a debian kernel image and the module-assistant then |
| 01:57.01 | strubbel | Azar: thats really a big step in the future :) |
| 01:57.08 | Azar | moshii where can I get module-assistant? |
| 01:57.23 | Azar | strubbel, sorry I was in a hurry for unstable |
| 01:57.26 | sparr | im getting an error while copying files off a CD, is there some "safe mode" i can mount it in to reduce the chances of this? |
| 01:57.26 | Phated | By installing it. |
| 01:57.29 | chealer | !sid |
| 01:57.29 | dpkg | somebody said sid was the unstable version of Debian. Commonly [and wrongly] backronymed Still In Development. It's actually named for the destructive neighbour kid in Toy Story. Ask me about unstable. Do not use sid unless you have the skill to find your way out of the mess that broken packages may put you in. |
| 01:57.37 | moshii | Azar: apt-get install module-assistant |
| 01:57.43 | Azar | moshii thanks |
| 01:57.44 | chealer | Azar: did you see the work "unstable" in that factoid? |
| 01:57.50 | chealer | s/work/word |
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| 01:57.56 | strubbel | Azar: I'm backporting some stuff from testing for me, at the moment :) |
| 01:58.09 | sin | how can i install debian on a raid system? |
| 01:58.19 | abrotman | sin: which controller? |
| 01:58.37 | chealer | Azar: did you at least found the debian-nvidia howto at home.comcast.net? |
| 01:58.39 | abrotman | and is it hardware or software? |
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| 01:58.44 | Azar | what was curious I was not able to apt-get install bzip2 unless I commented out the debian security ftp url in my apt sources.list |
| 01:58.51 | sin | silicon image ? |
| 01:58.55 | abrotman | so sata? |
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| 01:58.59 | moshii | sparr: try turning off things like DMA, CD's have very strong error correction so if it isn't an issue with your reader, ide interface etc the disc is probably past the point of return |
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| 01:59.07 | abrotman | sin: and dont ask me .. you tell me what it is .. |
| 01:59.13 | chealer | Azar: surprising |
| 01:59.19 | Azar | chealer the stuff at home.comcast.net did not work for me, re: ftp urls |
| 01:59.19 | sin | its a silicon image chipset |
| 01:59.25 | abrotman | sin: and it's sata? |
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| 01:59.26 | sparr | moshii: (eject worked, thanks) how do i turn off DMA? |
| 01:59.29 | sin | not sata |
| 01:59.37 | Azar | chealer, therefore, I was not able to follow the recommendations |
| 01:59.39 | abrotman | sin: what is it? IDE/ATA?SCSI ? |
| 01:59.43 | sin | scsi |
| 01:59.51 | abrotman | sin: do you know which driver? |
| 01:59.57 | moshii | sparr: hdparm -d0 /dev/hdc |
| 02:00.00 | abrotman | or if it even works in linux? |
| 02:00.17 | Azar | chealer, but I was able to diagnose and pinpoint the bugger: there was no nvidia.o but nvidia.ko and was listed as a bug |
| 02:00.18 | sin | redhat 5 used to run on the box |
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| 02:00.23 | strubbel | is snd-via686.o snd-via82xx.o now? |
| 02:00.26 | chealer | Azar: now is the time to go back to testing (by reinstalling debian) |
| 02:00.29 | abrotman | sin: is it a server or workstation ? |
| 02:00.43 | Azar | chealer I just reinstalled Debian one hour ago |
| 02:00.51 | sin | eh dell poweredge 600sc |
| 02:00.52 | chealer | Azar: that's why I say that |
| 02:00.53 | Azar | chealer now I am upgrading the kernel to 2.6.10 |
| 02:01.03 | abrotman | sin: if it's hardware raid .. it should work .. |
| 02:01.11 | abrotman | sin: are you sure that had RH5 on it? |
| 02:01.17 | sin | or rh6 |
| 02:01.21 | abrotman | sin: do you realize how old RH6 is ? |
| 02:01.34 | Guerin | motherfucker |
| 02:01.34 | abrotman | since dell didn't even make a PE600 then ? |
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| 02:01.50 | abrotman | at least i'm pretty sure they didn't |
| 02:01.51 | sin | i dunno this company didnt like to 'update' |
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| 02:02.02 | Guerin | 85,000 won to store two coats and two suits for 21 days |
| 02:02.05 | abrotman | yes .. but PE600 is old |
| 02:02.06 | Azar | hmm should I get the New Kernel Debugging from the Kernel Config? is new stuff |
| 02:02.16 | Azar | umm no, I am too newbie for that |
| 02:02.26 | abrotman | sin: err ... |
| 02:02.30 | abrotman | sin: i doubt it's that old |
| 02:02.31 | chealer | Guerin: where do you live? and what's that in € ? |
| 02:02.39 | abrotman | sin: RH6 is very very old .. like .. 1998 |
| 02:02.42 | sin | megaraid? |
| 02:02.55 | moshii | Azar: if your a newbie don't build a kernel, use one of the provided debian kernel images |
| 02:03.08 | sin | aacraid driver |
| 02:03.08 | abrotman | sin: megaraid is possible .. but that's not Silicon Image |
| 02:03.21 | abrotman | sin: then install the megaraid driver |
| 02:03.46 | sin | but it says no raid array found |
| 02:03.53 | Azar | moshii :) I only dare to try new stuff that I think I can learn |
| 02:03.55 | abrotman | and it's still not a 600SC i don't think |
| 02:04.01 | abrotman | sin: how fast is the CPU ? |
| 02:04.11 | sin | p4 |
| 02:04.16 | Azar | Debian installation and Kernel Upgrades have become my favorite hobby |
| 02:04.18 | abrotman | never ran RH6 ... |
| 02:04.24 | abrotman | it wouldn't ahve installed |
| 02:04.31 | abrotman | !cerc |
| 02:04.31 | dpkg | hmm... cerc is see perc |
| 02:04.33 | abrotman | bah |
| 02:04.35 | abrotman | !perc |
| 02:04.35 | dpkg | well, perc is See 'perc3 iso' |
| 02:04.38 | abrotman | mother f'in |
| 02:04.46 | sin | hmm maybe it was fedora. i never saw the OS because it was wiped because of drive errors |
| 02:05.09 | abrotman | sin: anyways ... |
| 02:05.12 | moshii | Azar: you don't need to build a kernel to upgrade.. you'll end up with a unbootable system if you don't know what you're doing ~_^ |
| 02:05.21 | abrotman | !dell |
| 02:05.22 | dpkg | [dell] a wonderful company that makes very wonderful laptops, but also some extremely bad laptops. For new ISOs to boot your Dell server, look at http://oregonstate.edu/~kveton/debian/, or the worst company you could ever do business with |
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| 02:05.25 | Azar | ok the nvidia log told me the exact error I used to have this morning: the gcc-3.03 was not compatible with gcc-2.95 listed in the nvidia installation |
| 02:05.36 | abrotman | sin: try that URL |
| 02:05.52 | abrotman | sin: and i think that is SATA |
| 02:05.56 | Azar | moshii this is my 4th kernel upgrade so far |
| 02:06.06 | sin | im using a dell debian disk now. |
| 02:06.09 | Azar | moshii I have learned some lessons the painful way |
| 02:06.19 | abrotman | sin: it's different i'm pretty sure |
| 02:06.22 | sin | i tried it last time but it failed |
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| 02:06.36 | abrotman | sin: is it an internal server? |
| 02:06.56 | Azar | so my lesson today was: first upgrade the kernel, compile, configure, and only THEN download the new nvidia driver and match the kernel headers |
| 02:07.00 | moshii | Azar: you shouldn't use nvidia's installer.. all the stuff you need is already in debian |
| 02:07.04 | chealer | Azar: the contest is on uptimes, not kernel upgrades :) Azar: maybe liking Debian reinstalls is a good argument to reinstall sarge now |
| 02:07.50 | Azar | chealer I was thinking of sarge, but I do not have any CD handy and I will have to take time to learn burning CDs in linux |
| 02:08.07 | Azar | the mswindows burner is not burning isos correctly |
| 02:08.09 | chealer | Azar: really? can't use k3b? |
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| 02:08.26 | Azar | chealer, I never ever in my life burned a CD |
| 02:08.29 | TheStar | Fixed it. |
| 02:08.33 | Azar | :) |
| 02:08.44 | Azar | I got Debian from TuxCds |
| 02:08.50 | chealer | Azar: I wonder if that's a good excuse for avoiding k3b |
| 02:08.59 | Azar | chealer, what is k3b? |
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| 02:09.12 | chealer | kde burner (and probably best burner) |
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| 02:09.28 | chealer | !k3b |
| 02:09.28 | dpkg | it has been said that k3b is A sophisticated KDE cd burning application, or k3b.sf.net, or 'teh uber'! |
| 02:09.46 | Azar | god help me I finally got to get the right modules .o not .ko |
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| 02:10.17 | chealer | Azar: I think the debian-nvidia howto can better help you than god |
| 02:10.17 | Azar | chealer, I have only been on gui mode for one month, experimentally, so far my Debian life was at command line |
| 02:10.22 | jcook | how do i make a patch file? |
| 02:10.37 | chealer | ok then I can't talk |
| 02:10.39 | abrotman | !patch |
| 02:10.40 | dpkg | from memory, patch is just a tool to handle text file mutations according to a common format known as 'diff'. For kernel patching use (depending on type of patch): 'patch -p1 < patch.diff' or 'zcat patch.gz | patch -p1' or 'bzcat patch.bz2 | patch -p1' |
| 02:10.58 | strubbel | jcook: use diff |
| 02:11.07 | jcook | streuner: that'll explain it ... tah |
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| 02:13.01 | strubbel | jcook: sorry i'm not streuner :) |
| 02:13.05 | Azar | thanks to whomever tought me to do apt-get update && apt-get dist-upgrade after changing to unstable |
| 02:13.13 | Azar | I guess this was a major cure |
| 02:13.16 | jcook | streuner: woops |
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| 02:13.40 | strubbel | jcock: woops |
| 02:14.26 | strubbel | !beer jcook |
| 02:14.31 | abrotman | yay |
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| 02:15.29 | Azar | this time I will do nvidia the Debian way: TTT: Tools, Tips and Tweaks — Doing the NVIDIA drivers "The Debian Way" under sarge or sid http://arstechnica.com/columns/linux/linux-20041109.ars scroll down to second article |
| 02:15.33 | Theory | Hi, ive installed sarge, and also my USB modem, but how do I edit the sources.list to make sure that aptitude connects to the net |
| 02:15.45 | abrotman | Theory: apt-setup |
| 02:15.56 | Theory | right now sources.list uses cdrom |
| 02:16.01 | abrotman | Theory: apt-setup |
| 02:16.01 | Theory | ok thanks abrot |
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| 02:16.28 | bytewalker | hi ok i have the 2.4.27-2-386 kernel does this support usb mouses? |
| 02:16.34 | abrotman | yes |
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| 02:16.36 | Theory | erm..sorry may I know the URL to add? |
| 02:16.41 | abrotman | Theory: apt-setup |
| 02:16.45 | Eagle101 | help. everytime i play an audio file, the sound skips...can someone help me please? |
| 02:17.57 | chealer | bytewalker: do you have something like an HP mouse? |
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| 02:18.37 | bytewalker | all i know is its a laser usb mouse, im at my friends house. theres no label on it or anything though |
| 02:18.45 | abrotman | laser!!! |
| 02:18.50 | abrotman | !usb mouse |
| 02:18.51 | dpkg | rumour has it, usb mouse is "MAKEDEV input", or apt-get install kernel-doc-`uname -r` && zless /usr/share/doc/kernel-doc-`uname -r`/Documentation/usb/input.txt.gz or ask me about "usbmouse" |
| 02:18.56 | abrotman | !usbmouse |
| 02:18.56 | dpkg | To use a USB mouse, do the following: [1] get a kernel with USB, USB mouse and input/HID support; standard Debian kernels have all this. [2] cd /dev && MAKEDEV usb && MAKEDEV input [3] apt-get install usbmgr or hotplug (or if that fails, modprobe hid and mousedev by hand); it should beep at you when USB devices are (un)plugged. [5] use device /dev/input/mice, protocol exps2 for gpm, protocol ExplorerPS/2 for X |
| 02:19.02 | jcook | how do i get it so the diff output puts the diffed files in the head of hte patch/diff file? |
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| 02:19.15 | dondelelcaro | jcook: I don't follow you. |
| 02:19.16 | ^Ocean^ | how do i get apache to use .htacccess files ? |
| 02:19.25 | abrotman | #apache |
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| 02:19.58 | jcook | dondelelcaro: every patch file i've ever seen has the original and patched file/dir at the top of hte file ... ie patch -p0 < patchfile ... how do i make one of those ? |
| 02:20.04 | chealer | Azar: the real debian way is at home.comcast.net |
| 02:20.08 | brian | hi guys, I am trying to get alsa working..I seem to have everything in place, but when i play an mp3 with xmms..no sound |
| 02:20.10 | chealer | !tell Azar about nvidia |
| 02:20.25 | dondelelcaro | jcook: diff foofile.orig foofile; FE |
| 02:20.29 | abrotman | brian: are you in the audio group? and have xmms to use the alsa plugin ? |
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| 02:20.42 | dondelelcaro | jcook: or diff -Ru foodir.orig foodir; |
| 02:20.58 | brian | abrotman: i dont follow |
| 02:21.06 | brian | xmms is installed..yes |
| 02:21.08 | abrotman | brian: there were two questions ... |
| 02:21.16 | abrotman | brian: are you in the audio group? |
| 02:21.17 | Azar | chealer, nvidia-howto looks a little bit old? |
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| 02:21.20 | brian | and no, i'm not using the oss plugin |
| 02:21.25 | brian | what is the audio group? |
| 02:21.28 | directhex | !tell Azar about nvidia one-liner |
| 02:21.31 | abrotman | !tell brian about audio |
| 02:21.40 | bytewalker | hows do i tell how much video ram my card has |
| 02:21.42 | drp | I have an external usb drive and I can mount it fine after I log in in the terminal but when I add the following line to fstab it says: |
| 02:21.43 | drp | /dev/sda1 /ext/hdrive ntfs rw,user,umask=000 0 0 |
| 02:22.04 | chealer | Azar: not old at home.comcast.net |
| 02:22.06 | drp | i get a /dev/sda1 is not a valid device block upon startup |
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| 02:22.36 | brian | abrotman: it says i'm already a member of audio group |
| 02:22.41 | abrotman | brian: ok .. |
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| 02:22.57 | sanxiyn | What does "quando paratus est" mean? |
| 02:22.57 | abrotman | brian: is something else playing ? .. can you do the /dev/urandom thing? |
| 02:23.02 | jcook | dondelelcaro: they dont work |
| 02:23.19 | bytewalker | anyone know how to check how much video ram i have? |
| 02:23.25 | abrotman | sanxiyn: babelfish ? |
| 02:23.31 | dondelelcaro | jcook: eh? diff -ru should... |
| 02:23.33 | valdyn_ | sanxiyn: something like "when he/it/she is ready" |
| 02:23.33 | Azar | oops what this means? I finished installing kernel 2.6.10 and I get one error: make: *** [_modinst_post] Error 1 ? |
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| 02:24.02 | sanxiyn | valdyn_: Oh. |
| 02:24.07 | jcook | dondelelcaro: im only doing files |
| 02:24.17 | valdyn_ | sanxiyn: though, why a latin question at #debian ? |
| 02:24.25 | sanxiyn | valdyn_: Visit http://release.debian.org/ |
| 02:24.27 | sanxiyn | :-) |
| 02:24.28 | dondelelcaro | jcook: then diff path/to/file/1.orig path/to/file/1; |
| 02:24.29 | jcook | dondelelcaro: -u ... got it |
| 02:24.37 | drp | any ideas? |
| 02:24.53 | dondelelcaro | jcook: the -u just changes it from a copied context to a unified context |
| 02:24.59 | brian | abrotman: if you mean is there another music playing program running...then no...otherwise i'm not sure what you mean |
| 02:25.02 | sanxiyn | So it means "When it's ready", aka "wir". |
| 02:25.05 | jcook | dondelelcaro: yeah ... thats it ... thanks |
| 02:25.11 | valdyn_ | sanxiyn: yea |
| 02:25.22 | Azar | hmm again darn .ko modules |
| 02:25.37 | sanxiyn | Catchphrase of release.debian.org? :) |
| 02:25.58 | abrotman | brian: cat /dev/urandom > /dev/random |
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| 02:26.00 | abrotman | err |
| 02:26.05 | abrotman | that's ttoallt wrong |
| 02:26.10 | abrotman | brian: cat /dev/urandom > /dev/dsp |
| 02:27.32 | brian | when i type those it just wants me to type more |
| 02:27.54 | strubbel | abrotman: listen to this "cat /dev/zero > /dev/dsp", a-a-a-a-a-h-h |
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| 02:28.08 | abrotman | strubbel: :) |
| 02:28.10 | ^Ocean^ | how do i get apache to use .htacccess files ? |
| 02:28.13 | brian | ooooh...its tts? |
| 02:28.20 | abrotman | brian: no it doesn't |
| 02:28.27 | abrotman | brian: if you're not hearing anything .. something is wrong |
| 02:28.36 | brian | should i type something in there |
| 02:28.51 | drp | how do you put a return carriage in your message without submitting the message to the channel |
| 02:29.03 | rdancer | how do i tell sudo to log particular sudoers line always? |
| 02:29.15 | abrotman | brian: no |
| 02:29.18 | dondelelcaro | drp: you don't. |
| 02:29.25 | brian | with me and alsa...something is always wrong |
| 02:29.26 | abrotman | brian: has your sound ever worked? |
| 02:29.26 | drp | ic |
| 02:29.33 | brian | nop. |
| 02:29.38 | brian | i have the drivers correct |
| 02:29.47 | brian | but i can't seem to get sound to come out |
| 02:29.56 | brian | i've done everything i've ever been told |
| 02:30.21 | Little_Dump | hello, i have acpid running on my laptop so i can read my battery power. it goes down really fast though and im able to leave my laptop on when it says its very low on power. as well sometimes it says to plug in when its already plugged in. sometimes it can tell its plugged in sometimes not. is this a problem with linux or with my laptop? can i fix it? |
| 02:30.46 | abrotman | brian: did you run `alsaconf` ? |
| 02:31.05 | abrotman | Little_Dump: check the acpi site |
| 02:31.10 | brian | yah, it said that i was good to go and to run aumix...so i did and set all the default levels up high |
| 02:31.15 | Little_Dump | abrotman: that would be? |
| 02:31.18 | abrotman | !acpi |
| 02:31.18 | dpkg | acpi is, like, Advanced Configuration and Power Interface -- a power management interface that gives more control to the BIOS. Details at http://www.teleport.com/~acpi/acpihtml/home.htm, or at http://phobos.fs.tum.de/acpi, or horribly horribly broken, for suspend software check http://sourceforge.net/projects/swsusp/, or patches at acpi.sf.netl.org), or "run this arbitrary code in ring 0", or http://acpi.sf.net/ |
| 02:31.21 | abrotman | the last link |
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| 02:31.47 | mrwill | ^Ocean^: you tell it to use those files in the configuration files. |
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| 02:33.10 | drp | has anyone ever heard of a powered-on usb device(external 5.25 enclosure) halting a system post |
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| 02:33.26 | drp | because my system is doing it |
| 02:33.29 | Locutus1976 | does anyone know how to install kernal 2.6 from boot options in sarge? I am using the net install. |
| 02:33.34 | dondelelcaro | drp: it's possible if your system is underpowered |
| 02:33.48 | directhex | Locutus1976, 'linux26' |
| 02:33.49 | abrotman | brian: ask #alsa |
| 02:33.54 | ^Ocean^ | mrwill, but its not working ;( |
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| 02:33.55 | brian | why not install 2.4 and then update it using aptitude |
| 02:33.59 | drp | dondelelcaro, good thinking ... that could very possibly be it |
| 02:34.07 | brian | oh okay...didn't know there was an alsa channel |
| 02:34.09 | directhex | Locutus1976, as you'd know if you hit the help button clearly indicated on thre boot prompt |
| 02:34.10 | dondelelcaro | drp: FE, if unplugging your interal cdrom drive (or multiple drives) gets it to work, that's probably the problem |
| 02:34.15 | brian | thanks abrotman |
| 02:34.30 | drp | dondelelcaro, yeah I'll try that |
| 02:35.02 | Flimzy | after a recent dist-upgrade (testing), when I attempt to open an image file with gwenview, it gives a message "Configuration update\n Due to some changes in the dock behavior your old dock configuration has been discarded. Please adjust your docks again." What the hell "docks" is it talking about, and how can I adjust them so it stops giving this annoying error? |
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| 02:35.26 | ^Ocean^ | mrwill, but its not working, i set up the <directoy> directives an no such luck |
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| 02:35.58 | brian | heh, too bad there is nobody over at #alsa who will talk |
| 02:36.13 | mrwill | ^Ocean^: you have to allow the use of the files, as well as enable them. |
| 02:36.26 | ^Ocean^ | mrwill, how do i allow the use of them ? |
| 02:36.31 | mrwill | ^Ocean^: the directive is AllowOverride, I believe. |
| 02:36.38 | ^Ocean^ | yeah, i have that |
| 02:36.57 | mrwill | ^Ocean^: sounds like you are on the right track. |
| 02:37.10 | ^Ocean^ | yeah. but my track ends sort |
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| 02:37.18 | mrwill | ^Ocean^: you probably just messed up a syntactical detail somewhere. |
| 02:37.25 | drp | I have a small problem getting my external usb drive to mount upon startup(however I have no problem mounting the same device when I'm logged in through the terminal). I added this line to my fstab: /dev/sda1 /ext/hdrive ntfs rw,user,umask=000 0 0 |
| 02:37.38 | drp | upon system boot I get a not a valid block device error |
| 02:37.40 | brynjarh | Anyone know when Debian will have something similar to Fedora Core 2 where stuff get's mounted automatically when connected? |
| 02:37.55 | mrwill | brynjarh: it probably has it now, if you set it up. |
| 02:37.59 | Phated | drp: The module for it isn't loaded at boot, is it. |
| 02:38.12 | drp | it doesn't seem like it but I"m not sure how to do that |
| 02:38.20 | brian | brynjarh, you mean like usb drives and stuff? |
| 02:38.21 | brynjarh | mrwill: hmm, like a package I can install? Or do I need to add a script my self or something? |
| 02:38.22 | mrwill | drp: edit /etc/modules? |
| 02:38.25 | brynjarh | Yea |
| 02:38.28 | drp | <--- new to debian and configuring linux systems in general |
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| 02:38.43 | brian | hah...yah, i would like to know the same thing |
| 02:38.49 | mrwill | brynjarh: probably a package, maybe some configuration. |
| 02:38.55 | brian | i still need to learn how to do it manually |
| 02:39.04 | brian | i have a usb key that i dont know how to mount |
| 02:39.05 | ^Ocean^ | mrwill: problem is, i dont know were to start of were i could have screwed up |
| 02:39.17 | sgeigerbot | drp: Can you manually mount the drive? |
| 02:39.25 | drp | sgeigerbot, yes |
| 02:39.33 | sgeigerbot | drp: what is the command you used? |
| 02:39.33 | mrwill | ^Ocean^: let me tell you where -- logs! read the logs, see what they say. |
| 02:39.51 | drp | mount -t ntfs /dev/sda1 /ext/hdrive |
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| 02:41.05 | drp | sgeigerbot, I think mrwill's suggestion will fix it though |
| 02:41.11 | sgeigerbot | drp: What happens when you type (as root) "mount /ext/hdrive" ? |
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| 02:41.12 | brynjarh | mrwill: Okay, I'll try to look something up, I think when I was using Fedora Core 2 there was a script that added a line automatically in your fstab file and created a proper directory and then mounted it there. |
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| 02:41.37 | mrwill | brynjarh: hmmm, well, if it is a cdrom or something you should probably already have the line /etc/fstab |
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| 02:42.02 | mrwill | brynjarh: I was thinking more of an automounter program, that watched for disk inserts and then mounted the cd. |
| 02:42.22 | drp | sgeigerbot, I tried that and it mounted correctly |
| 02:42.41 | mattybats | if I define some variables in /etc/environment do I have to then manually define them so I can use them right away or is there some command to refresh variables from /etc/environment,.... or something? |
| 02:42.44 | ^Ocean^ | mr-david, the log files arnt saying anything about .htaccess files |
| 02:43.29 | ^Ocean^ | mrwill the log files arnt saying anything about .htaccess files |
| 02:43.32 | mrwill | ^Ocean^: they probably wouldn't say something so direct. |
| 02:43.49 | ^Ocean^ | any thing i should look for, as far as i can tell, everything is okay |
| 02:43.50 | sgeigerbot | drp: okay, then apparently you don't have kernel support (module loaded) when the system boots up. /etc/modules should fix that. |
| 02:44.02 | Tearran | I haveing a problem with kmix olything it shows is pcm and it will not adjust. |
| 02:44.08 | ^Ocean^ | it displays the dir contents im looking for fine, just with out a username/password box first |
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| 02:44.19 | mrwill | ^Ocean^: the other thing you could check is if the directives are the proper context. |
| 02:44.30 | drp | sgeigerbot, I looked at all the modules I have loaded now and usb_storage seems to be the one I need to load ... I guess anyway |
| 02:44.45 | brynjarh | mrwill: my CD rom mounts automatically fine, and I guess if I make a line in fstab for all the usb-connection-thingys on my computer they would show up in "computer" in GNOME without any problem.. but I prefer them not showing up in "computer" until something is connected, like in Fedora Core 2. |
| 02:45.03 | ^Ocean^ | mrwill, via apachectl configtest ? |
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| 02:46.00 | sparr | i have a process that is writing to a file. id like to redirect that output to /dev/null (to speed up the program) without restarting the program. possible? |
| 02:46.10 | sgeigerbot | drp: incidentaly, these might also be needed: usbcore usb-uhci |
| 02:46.19 | drp | k |
| 02:46.25 | mrwill | brynjarh: sounds like all you would have to do is configure gnome to do that, but I'm not sure how. you might check how it is done on fedora for ideas. |
| 02:46.25 | drp | sgeigerbot, thanks for the help |
| 02:46.41 | drp | mrwill, thank you as well and dondelelcaro |
| 02:46.46 | sgeigerbot | drp: np |
| 02:46.47 | dondelelcaro | drp: np |
| 02:47.03 | mrwill | ^Ocean^: that verifies syntax, not logical correctness. |
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| 02:47.15 | mrwill | ^Ocean^: basically, the AllowOverride needs to be in a global context. |
| 02:47.15 | sgeigerbot | Does someone have some cheezy poofs? |
| 02:47.22 | abrotman | i can get them |
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| 02:47.30 | theJackal | sup ya'all |
| 02:48.03 | ^Ocean^ | mrwill, i have it in the global context |
| 02:48.18 | Tearran | Is there anyother volume controls that will dock in the system tray in KDE? |
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| 02:48.30 | theJackal | kmix ? |
| 02:48.30 | mrwill | ^Ocean^: ok, then something else may be in the wrong context. I would also check the permissions on the .htaccess file. |
| 02:48.40 | Tearran | not working for me nothing showing on it |
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| 02:49.05 | theJackal | oh, you want like, an volume controll tray-applet ? |
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| 02:49.13 | mrwill | sparr: no, impossible, unix system design. |
| 02:49.26 | Tearran | ya like kmix |
| 02:49.37 | Tearran | but my kmix only shows PCM |
| 02:49.44 | sparr | mrwill: :( |
| 02:49.56 | mrwill | sparr: sorry... but I'm quite sure about that. |
| 02:50.02 | theJackal | yeah,.. try clicking on a black arrow.. and going to |
| 02:50.16 | theJackal | panels -> add -> soundmixer |
| 02:50.16 | TimbrWolf | just installed Debian; but kde is my default and I want Gnome |
| 02:50.20 | TimbrWolf | How can I change to Gnome |
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| 02:50.31 | theJackal | apt-get install gnome gdm |
| 02:51.04 | TimbrWolf | thanks |
| 02:51.32 | theJackal | gdm is a good window manager chooser (when it works :) ) |
| 02:52.02 | abrotman | it works fine |
| 02:52.20 | theJackal | i had issues with it last year with it not initailizing at all :| |
| 02:52.28 | Tearran | theJackal: panels? |
| 02:52.28 | abrotman | sounds like X .. not gdm |
| 02:52.32 | theJackal | its all good now tho ;) |
| 02:52.48 | theJackal | tearran: yep...panels... |
| 02:53.00 | Tearran | from were? |
| 02:53.23 | cafuego | abrotman: I had a drive around now and the creeks and streets that are now raging torrents look interesting :-) |
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| 02:53.46 | abrotman | cafuego: more rain coming? |
| 02:53.53 | cafuego | abrotman: Just about to start, actually. |
| 02:53.57 | theJackal | rightclick on some space - and you should get a menu containing "Add, Remove, Size, Configure space.. etc" |
| 02:54.06 | abrotman | cafuego: you got your little inflatable boat? |
| 02:54.12 | theJackal | then select Add -> applet -> soundmixer |
| 02:54.17 | cafuego | abrotman: I live on a hill, I'll be right. |
| 02:54.19 | brynjarh | Anyone experienced problems with hald? Sometimes I discover it has just stopped running, like when I was going to play a CD right now, I couldn't do it because hald had mysteriously just stopped running, this is not the first time I have seen this. |
| 02:54.32 | Tearran | oh hehe |
| 02:54.47 | abrotman | cafuego: ah .. no worries then .. same deal for me .. it woudl take about 20 feet over a 2foot wide creek to get me wet :) |
| 02:54.49 | Tearran | same thing only PCM shows |
| 02:54.54 | theJackal | :| |
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| 02:55.11 | theJackal | ok.. you cant have ALSA or OSS configgured properly... |
| 02:55.18 | cafuego | abrotman: More like 20 metres here... and short of a meteorite in the bay that's not going to happen :-) |
| 02:55.23 | theJackal | whats your sound card? |
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| 02:55.29 | Tearran | its fine in gnome |
| 02:55.34 | abrotman | cafuego: or a big potato!! |
| 02:55.52 | cafuego | potatoes i can deal with,. you just eat 'em |
| 02:55.54 | Tearran | Gnome vol control is working fine |
| 02:56.06 | abrotman | cafuego: that's a lot of fries :) |
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| 02:56.20 | Tearran | but i just did the install so in not sure what drivers were installed |
| 02:56.47 | theJackal | eheh... drivers? you speak blasphemy :).... we have modules... :) |
| 02:57.01 | Tearran | shame on me |
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| 02:57.12 | theJackal | what breed of sound card is it? |
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| 02:57.37 | Tearran | onboard junk sec |
| 02:57.52 | theJackal | Via , intel , or nvidia? |
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| 02:58.22 | duke | im trying to play a wmv but totem says it doesn't have the right codec and mplayer doesn't seem to play any movies, any suggestions on a site or steps to play this? |
| 02:58.29 | theJackal | try this in a console: |
| 02:58.36 | FieldySnuts | @fuck wmv |
| 02:58.41 | Little_Dump | im a bit of a newb. are modules upgradeable without a kernel recompile? |
| 02:58.42 | theJackal | lspci | grep audio |
| 02:58.51 | Tearran | ac'97 |
| 02:59.01 | ArCHoNKoG | i just kernel 2.9.10 i didn't get nvidia working when i install but i got it working now, but if i reboot i need to do module-assistant auto-install nvidia is there anyway to do just onces and it always works |
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| 02:59.09 | theJackal | ok, that makes your job a bit easier... |
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| 02:59.31 | theJackal | lsmod | grep ac97 |
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| 02:59.41 | moshii | duke: you need the win32 codecs .. |
| 02:59.45 | Azar | !bzImage |
| 02:59.45 | dpkg | i heard bzimage is the same as zImage but allows compressed images to be larger than 512KB. bzImage is NOT compressed w/ bzip2. bzImage == big zImage. |
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| 03:00.25 | Tearran | ok it spit out the codec |
| 03:00.30 | Azar | hmm my bzImage configuration in lilo does not work |
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| 03:01.18 | Cancel | hello |
| 03:01.21 | brynjarh | Some mono packages are bugy or something, I recently did a clean install, and then installed monodevelop and all it's dependences, when I click "File>New File" in monodevelop I get the error message "Error loading template file /usr/share/dotnet/monodevelop/bin/../AddIns/AddIns/BackendBindings/templates/NemerleGtkSharpWindow.xft.xml". And when I read the mono documents through monodevelop or using the monodoc I get in some places "No stream for this |
| 03:01.22 | theJackal | do you have alsamixer installed? |
| 03:01.22 | Azar | I replaced it with 2.4.18-bf2.4 Really-old |
| 03:01.22 | ArCHoNKoG | can some telling me how to make my nvidia stay working with me doing module-assistant auto-install nvidia |
| 03:01.35 | abrotman | brynjarh: #debian-mono |
| 03:01.49 | abrotman | #nvidia |
| 03:01.57 | brynjarh | abrotman: okay |
| 03:02.01 | abrotman | everyone who has nvidia hardware should go to #nvidia ... |
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| 03:02.17 | abrotman | well . if you're having a problem with it :) |
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| 03:02.24 | Cancel | yesterday i upgraded debian to latest sid. And since this my X-fonts looks very bad. |
| 03:02.41 | abrotman | !bts |
| 03:02.42 | dpkg | i guess bts is the Bug Tracking System for Debian packages, http://bugs.debian.org/ or to go directly to the bug page for a particular package, try http://bugs.debian.org/packagename or anyone running unstable who's unable to check the BTS should be shot on sight. apt-get install reportbug, and check out querybts too. sid users, apt-get install apt-listbugs, or apt-get install apt-listchanges |
| 03:02.45 | theJackal | turn on FreeType 2 :) |
| 03:03.01 | Cancel | how can I do this? |
| 03:03.03 | Azar | :) |
| 03:03.07 | Cancel | I thought that it is enabled |
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| 03:03.44 | Cancel | libfreetype6 installed |
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| 03:04.34 | theJackal | is all the right setting in XF86Config-4 ? |
| 03:04.36 | Cancel | yes, I checked - there are all ok |
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| 03:05.01 | theJackal | hmm.. whatabout setting the AntiAliasing options in kcontrol? |
| 03:05.10 | Cancel | I'm not use antialias |
| 03:05.12 | abrotman | cafuego: so it's gonna get real ugly? |
| 03:05.23 | woofebo | i accidently pushed control s in screen and now i can't type was it because of that or did i do something else? and how do i fix it heh |
| 03:05.35 | theJackal | antialias makes it look nice.. |
| 03:05.35 | Azar | dumb question here, if bunk patches for 2.6 are for Woody and I am running sid, is that going to work? |
| 03:05.38 | Cancel | Before upgrade all fonnts looked very good withoud antialiasing enabled |
| 03:05.55 | theJackal | maybe you installed bitmap fonts by default |
| 03:05.58 | Cancel | much better than with enabled antialiasing |
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| 03:06.12 | Cancel | no, I'm using ttf fonts |
| 03:06.20 | theJackal | hmm. how perculiar. |
| 03:06.20 | FieldySnuts | woofebo: i've seen that happen, it hangs screen. I don't know why the hell that happens. probably will have to kill -9 it |
| 03:06.36 | woofebo | darn, well thanks |
| 03:06.43 | chealer | Azar: why do you want that? |
| 03:07.00 | Cancel | I solved solved problem some months ago, but I dont remember how :( |
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| 03:07.06 | bytewalker | anyone got any tips i cant get X to run in 16 bit color only 8 bit mode |
| 03:07.09 | bytewalker | plz? |
| 03:07.19 | theJackal | cancel: ive upgraded to XOrg, and am running Debian-Experimental/Unstable.... ie: im crazy. |
| 03:07.34 | abrotman | bytewalker: what? |
| 03:07.59 | Cancel | xorg? |
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| 03:08.11 | abrotman | !xorg |
| 03:08.12 | dpkg | xorg is an alternative X implementation (fork of XFree86 4.4RC2) from X.Org, current release is X11R6.8. It won't be packaged for Debian until after Sarge release. See http://necrotic.deadbeast.net/xsf/XFree86/trunk/debian/local/FAQ.xhtml#debianplans for more information. Ask me about 'get xorg' for unofficial xorg debs. |
| 03:08.12 | theJackal | yep... with transparency and shit.. |
| 03:08.14 | bytewalker | abrotman: i got the right video card selected in xconfig but when i try to run it in 16bpp i get an error |
| 03:08.15 | Azar | chealer, the new 2.6.10 kernel gives me modprobe errors |
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| 03:08.28 | abrotman | bytewalker: why? |
| 03:08.30 | Azar | and the only way I can fix is to apply patches from bunk site |
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| 03:08.36 | brynjarh | bytewalker: what error? |
| 03:08.45 | Cancel | I know x.org, but I cant find it in the server |
| 03:08.58 | Cancel | apt-cache search xorg shows nothing |
| 03:09.01 | theJackal | hehe.. you wont find any binarys for debian. |
| 03:09.03 | chealer | Azar: strange. are you running sid or woody? |
| 03:09.12 | jdhutchin1 | Cancel, /msg dpkg xorg |
| 03:09.12 | abrotman | Cancel: not in debian |
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| 03:09.53 | theJackal | if you want Xorg you have to get the source (either via CVS or download tar.bz2) and compile it yourself. |
| 03:09.56 | felipe | Hi there |
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| 03:10.23 | bytewalker | ok this is the error: |
| 03:10.24 | Cancel | Are debian going to replace xfree to xorg? |
| 03:10.32 | theJackal | oneday... maybe... |
| 03:10.33 | abrotman | Cancel: read the links |
| 03:10.40 | theJackal | but it wont be in "stable |
| 03:10.44 | theJackal | for at least a year. |
| 03:10.58 | bytewalker | (EE) SIS(0): xf86SetDepthBpp() error |
| 03:11.07 | theJackal | i dont even know if stable has firefox in it yet. |
| 03:11.08 | bytewalker | screens found, no usable configuratoin.. etc |
| 03:11.10 | felipe | I need to install a video driver model Diamond S540...On its site there is only .exe files...is it possible that there's no drive for linux?? |
| 03:11.15 | cafuego | Cancel: Once sarge is released as stable, unstable (and latest the new testing) will get Xorg. The packager has been making Xorg packages for a while (for Ubuntu) |
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| 03:11.23 | woofebo | FieldySnuts is there a way i can have it auto-detach when that kinda stuff happens? |
| 03:11.49 | FieldySnuts | woofebo: nope, it just hangs solid, I don't know why |
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| 03:12.08 | bytewalker | any ideas? |
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| 03:12.24 | theJackal | yeah... i have issues with my nvidia drivers locking my box rock solid... (well, magic sysrqs stil work...) |
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| 03:13.00 | Cancel | ok, thanks to all |
| 03:13.02 | Cancel | :) |
| 03:14.00 | cafuego | felipe: You need the s3 or savage driver that comes with X already. |
| 03:14.20 | Azar | hmm strange now that I am on unstable http://security.debian.org/stable/updates refuses to work |
| 03:14.32 | cafuego | Azar: How weird! |
| 03:14.37 | theJackal | yeah, they dont make security releases for unstable |
| 03:14.40 | Azar | I did switched to unstable but same issue |
| 03:14.47 | cafuego | Azar: Why would you even bother having that line? |
| 03:15.11 | Azar | cafuego was the default I chose at installation |
| 03:15.21 | theJackal | unstable is effectivley as recent as they have (well, experimental is more recent.. but its dodgy) |
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| 03:15.26 | cafuego | Azar: There is NEVER a time when a package on security.d.o has a higher version than one in Sid and would be instaleld by preference. |
| 03:15.26 | Azar | so while on stable 2.4.18 this morning, it worked |
| 03:15.30 | cafuego | Azar: Just delete it. |
| 03:15.45 | Azar | oh, ok I commented it anyways |
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| 03:16.03 | Azar | but yesterday, before I did reinstallation I had it active in sources and it used to work |
| 03:16.11 | Azar | strange now it does not want to work anymore |
| 03:16.17 | cafuego | Azar: That was before you can Sid, ubdoubtedly. |
| 03:16.26 | Azar | I was running sid, cafuego |
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| 03:16.33 | Azar | its been 2 months now running sid |
| 03:17.01 | Azar | I only had that startx refusing to load due to nvidia not matching kernel headers |
| 03:17.11 | Azar | so I decided to start over to learn better |
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| 03:17.11 | theJackal | yes... because stable-security is above stable, sid is above stable-security, sid-security is above sid, and unstable is above sid-security.. from what I know,, therefore a security "upgrade" wuld be a downgrade. |
| 03:17.38 | cafuego | Azar: Oh, I see, you typo3d. Never mind, just elave it disabled, it won't do anything (ever) apart from downloading package lists. |
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| 03:17.39 | Azar | aha, thanks theJackal |
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| 03:17.50 | Azar | :) |
| 03:17.52 | nvz | I think I just lost a few IQ points reading that, theJackal |
| 03:17.55 | theJackal | no worrys :D |
| 03:18.03 | cafuego | theJackal: No, he doesn't have a space between the host and repository |
| 03:18.06 | sussudio | nvz: are you in the negatives yet? |
| 03:18.15 | theJackal | lol |
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| 03:18.57 | cafuego | theJackal: what is "sid-security" ? There's no such thing. |
| 03:19.12 | theJackal | i was sure they had security updates for sid/testing. |
| 03:19.15 | sussudio | cafuego: in his mind there is |
| 03:19.15 | nvz | sussudio: I am not sure there are negitive IQs |
| 03:19.24 | cafuego | theJackal: No. Sid isn't "testing". |
| 03:19.30 | sussudio | nvz: one word. Dubya. |
| 03:19.36 | theJackal | well, its been a while since i used anything below ustable. |
| 03:19.40 | cafuego | theJackal: There are *directories* for future update for sarge, but no actual packages. |
| 03:19.58 | theJackal | lol |
| 03:20.01 | chealer | (20:58:32) Azar: chealer, I WAS running woody half hour ago |
| 03:20.01 | chealer | (20:58:36) Azar: now I am sid |
| 03:20.02 | sussudio | how's that funny? |
| 03:20.11 | theJackal | thats why im using http.us.debian.org experimental :) |
| 03:20.18 | sussudio | theJackal: did you have the special shrooms? |
| 03:20.20 | chealer | Azar: you seem very confused about what release you're running |
| 03:20.31 | nvz | sussudio: lol = looser on line |
| 03:20.33 | cafuego | I just run a cron jon to delete 2 random files every 6 hours. |
| 03:20.52 | theJackal | well, its 90% unstable with whatever is available from experimental |
| 03:21.13 | theJackal | as the "experimental" branch only has about 3000 packages in it.. |
| 03:21.29 | sussudio | nvz: on psilocybin, everything is funny. and purple. and sometimes scary. |
| 03:21.33 | cafuego | That's 3000 ways the system *WILL* break when they reelase a new one. |
| 03:21.57 | cafuego | abrotman: http://www.theage.com.au/photogallery/2004/10/28/1107228805235.html |
| 03:22.00 | theJackal | i dont have problems.. i usually have to manually balance dependancys with aptitude tho :) |
| 03:22.08 | nvz | sussudio: that would be the drug otherwise known on the streets as shrooms? |
| 03:22.20 | theJackal | lol |
| 03:22.28 | sussudio | nvz: yes, it would. |
| 03:22.35 | cafuego | theJackal: Maybe mental problems, then <heh> |
| 03:22.38 | abrotman | cafuego: looks the pics of my university town this past year ... |
| 03:22.48 | sussudio | theJackal: are you seeing the purple bunnies yet? |
| 03:22.56 | nvz | heh |
| 03:23.00 | Azar | one thing that I hardly understand when doing a system configuration with Debian configuration screens is WHY don't I get the chance to go a screen back just in case say my monitor entered in powersave mode and I press spacebar to bring back the view and I am already moved ahead? |
| 03:23.00 | theJackal | lol |
| 03:23.13 | Azar | thats a MAJOR MINUS to this stuff |
| 03:23.15 | theJackal | if i was../ i'd want a rubber shotgun to go with it. |
| 03:23.41 | Azar | caphuso any trick on this issue? |
| 03:23.56 | Azar | I missed keymap config this way |
| 03:23.56 | cafuego | Azar: Hit [alt] or [ctrl] and not space. |
| 03:24.02 | cafuego | Azar: it's not that hard |
| 03:24.08 | Kerr | i just dislike there not being an option to disable printing. Not everybody has a printer.. It's trivial to disable, but why have it there in the firstplace? |
| 03:24.15 | Azar | thanks for the hint, caphuso |
| 03:24.29 | cafuego | !lart Azar |
| 03:24.32 | nvz | Kerr: umm? |
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| 03:25.17 | Azar | hahaha |
| 03:25.28 | Kerr | you get asked about paper size and such on sarge install, but i never saw a 'no' option.. |
| 03:25.30 | cafuego | abrotman: Hmm, those pics aren't actually very impressive. |
| 03:26.16 | cafuego | abrotman: I didn't have myc amera with me, but near where a major creek currently whitewaters into the Yarra river, there's a sign saying [Bike path subject to flooding] poking out of the waves ;-) |
| 03:26.39 | theJackal | and to think i came to this IRC server loooking for people who knew their povray. |
| 03:27.39 | Azar | hmm I got a brand new set of configurations options :) |
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| 03:29.09 | theJackal | ive given up talking in #Povray... im trying to find sombody who knows how to detect if two objects overlap. |
| 03:29.32 | FieldySnuts | good luck with that here |
| 03:29.45 | theJackal | yeah... :( |
| 03:29.48 | nvz | yeah I'd say look, best viewed with eyes |
| 03:29.56 | theJackal | lol |
| 03:30.24 | theJackal | i want to throw a billion or so things in a bucket... then rotate the ones that collide untill they dont. |
| 03:30.53 | abrotman | cafuego: nice |
| 03:30.56 | WiFiTux | what is the best way to get a Canon printer working? |
| 03:31.12 | theJackal | load it up with shot.. prime the wick... and light the fuse |
| 03:31.27 | nvz | WiFiTux: install cupsys and surf to localhost:631 |
| 03:31.31 | jjazz | WiFiTux: cups |
| 03:31.42 | theJackal | !cups |
| 03:31.42 | dpkg | it has been said that cups is a spiffy new printing system. or available under the GPL since june 1999., or making loads of trouble if you try to use it. what breast size?, or available at http://www.cups.org (or so says http://www.easysw.com), or see cups-unstable, or http://localhost:631/admin, or see cups setup |
| 03:31.46 | WiFiTux | nvz, cool! thanks... |
| 03:31.56 | Xenguy | WiFiTux: check linuxprinting.org to see if it is a 'paperweight' |
| 03:32.02 | chealer | WiFiTux: replace by HP, check if it's supported, or buy turboprint |
| 03:32.03 | theJackal | !cupsys |
| 03:32.04 | dpkg | it has been said that cupsys is 'apt-get install cupsys cupsys-bsd' on server and 'cupsys-client cupsys-bsd' on clients. Visit http://127.0.0.1:631/ to configure it. For local, parallel port printers, Device URI is parallel:/dev/lp0 |
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| 03:32.22 | nvz | WiFiTux: cups has got a web-based configuration frontend that even a ig'nerent yinzer could use |
| 03:32.28 | theJackal | lol |
| 03:32.32 | Azar | how can I fix this error? what do download? while processing /var/cache/apt/archives/flex_2.5.31-31_i386.deb error: Sub-process /usr/bin/dpkg returned an error code. What do I need to install for this? |
| 03:32.37 | indigirl1 | should most people download nonus? |
| 03:32.38 | theJackal | i doubt my mum could... she cant even use word. |
| 03:33.02 | nvz | !yinzersmite theJackal's mother |
| 03:33.10 | Azar | hahaha |
| 03:33.11 | theJackal | lol |
| 03:33.17 | abrotman | nvz: try that on starfish |
| 03:33.21 | toresbe | <PROTECTED> |
| 03:33.24 | toresbe | whoops |
| 03:33.31 | Azar | !spank nvz |
| 03:33.46 | nvz | abrotman: what do you know of starfish? my logs show nothing said and like 6 hours of idling |
| 03:34.03 | abrotman | nvz: i just noticed that when he joined .. pittpa.adelphia :) |
| 03:34.08 | Azar | guys do I need a new install of dpkg? |
| 03:34.08 | theJackal | what you installing that needs flex? |
| 03:34.09 | abrotman | nvz: i've a weird brain :) |
| 03:34.14 | WiFiTux | nvz, this means anything in dmesg? usbcore: registered new driver usblp |
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| 03:34.24 | nvz | abrotman: its my cousin actually. |
| 03:34.30 | abrotman | nvz: oh . freaky |
| 03:34.41 | abrotman | nvz: maybe don't hassle starfish :) |
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| 03:34.57 | theJackal | nah, cut his arm of... it'll grow back. |
| 03:35.10 | nvz | WiFiTux: I've no idea |
| 03:35.33 | nvz | WiFiTux: seems it means it registered a new driver usblp |
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| 03:35.37 | theJackal | Azar: what needs flex? |
| 03:35.57 | theJackal | you installing lmsensors? |
| 03:36.11 | Azar | well I finished apt-get upgrade with some error but hey, the system still works |
| 03:36.12 | WiFiTux | nvz, then drivers/usb/class/usblp.c: v0.13: USB Printer Device Class driver... |
| 03:36.17 | Azar | so I guess I shouldn't worry much |
| 03:36.20 | WiFiTux | nvz, I'm downloading cups as we speak. |
| 03:36.30 | theJackal | apt-get remove flex if you dont have anything that needs it. |
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| 03:37.38 | nvz | WiFiTux: I use a mess of foomatic+hpijs+cups+xpp to get our HP PSC 2175v USB printer working doesnt involve anything like that for me |
| 03:37.53 | theJackal | mmm, tasty... wasabi |
| 03:38.00 | brynjarh | How can I get some information on the size of partitions? |
| 03:38.10 | theJackal | fdisk ? |
| 03:38.13 | WiFiTux | wasabi it's a nice movie |
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| 03:38.39 | WiFiTux | brynjarh, df -ha |
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| 03:39.07 | gustavor | could anybody help with uml? |
| 03:39.24 | theJackal | df only works on mounted partitions |
| 03:39.25 | duke | what file would i use to sh install http://ftp5.mplayerhq.hu/mplayer/releases/MPlayer-1.0pre6a.tar.bz2 |
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| 03:39.36 | Skaag | can someone remind me which linux.bin I get for a network boot installer over pxe? |
| 03:39.41 | WiFiTux | Xenguy, it's not even in the list... It was $40 :) |
| 03:39.45 | duke | Im so close to getting everything working but i just don't know what to do |
| 03:39.45 | Skaag | I want the latest |
| 03:39.57 | theJackal | duke: um.. you'ld want to tar -jxvhf 'filename |
| 03:40.06 | theJackal | then compile it... |
| 03:40.21 | duke | ok, i'll try that, thanks |
| 03:40.36 | theJackal | or... you could put http.us.debian.org into sources.list and download a precompiled one ;/ |
| 03:40.42 | gustavor | when trying to set network inside uml i get the following message: execvp of 'uml_net' failed - errno = 2 |
| 03:40.48 | gustavor | any ideas? |
| 03:41.07 | nvz | Unified Modeling Language or User Mode Linux? |
| 03:41.18 | gustavor | nvz, User Mode Linux |
| 03:41.34 | duke | mplayer isn't in the debian respository is it? |
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| 03:41.37 | nvz | got to be specific with your TLAs |
| 03:41.42 | theJackal | it is on the right servers |
| 03:41.57 | nvz | UML has been around longer than User Mode Linux, and has a channel on freenode. |
| 03:42.11 | theJackal | !mplayer-common |
| 03:42.17 | theJackal | hmm |
| 03:42.24 | nvz | duke: /msg dpkg mplayer |
| 03:42.33 | gustavor | nvz, ok... it might be better to ask there... thanks |
| 03:42.38 | nevyn | UML having two definitions sucks. |
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| 03:42.59 | zignig | nevyn: welcome to computing TLAs |
| 03:43.02 | carrett | dpkg: hi |
| 03:43.02 | nvz | nevyn: U Might not Like it |
| 03:43.07 | carrett | wtf mate? |
| 03:43.08 | theJackal | right.. i have mplayer in my apt repositry.. :) |
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| 03:43.43 | theJackal | deb http://http.us.debian.org/debian/ experimental main contrib non-free |
| 03:43.44 | Azar | ok Debian 3.1 sid, linux 2.6.10 with module-init-tools installed and STILL getting FATAL : modules not found at bootup |
| 03:44.05 | Devi0s | how do I get MS videos working in or out of my firefox browser? can anything play the video in here?: http://www.mp3.com/video/index.php?id=14 |
| 03:44.17 | theJackal | install mozilla-mplayer :) |
| 03:44.18 | nvz | Devi0s: /msg dpkg mplayer |
| 03:44.34 | theJackal | its not a standard repository |
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| 03:44.43 | WiFiTux | nvz, ok cups didn't find my printer... :( |
| 03:45.18 | nvz | WiFiTux: *shrug* I came by luck on mine working with hpijs, foomatic, cups, and xpp |
| 03:45.28 | nvz | WiFiTux: there seems to be no sure fire way of printing |
| 03:45.44 | nvz | WiFiTux: there is no real proceedure.. its all trial and error |
| 03:45.47 | WiFiTux | nvz, mine is not listed at all! No Canon i* is listed. |
| 03:45.50 | theJackal | esp not if youve got a gobshite lexmark MFC via USB :fork: |
| 03:46.03 | brynjarh | Anyone know of a program that can resize resierfs partitions? Because "parted" can't do it, I just get "No Implementation: Support for opening reiserfs file systems is not implemented yet." |
| 03:46.04 | gustavor | nvz, I confused I thought you were talking about an User mode linux channel... is there one around? |
| 03:46.15 | nvz | mine is an HP PSC 2175v |
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| 03:46.27 | nvz | gustavor: not that I know of. |
| 03:46.36 | theJackal | oh... its a post script printer? |
| 03:46.38 | nvz | !uml |
| 03:46.39 | dpkg | i heard uml is User Mode Linux, which allows you to boot a kernel in user space. http://user-mode-linux.sourceforge.net/. Unified Modelling Language, or at http://people.debian.org/~wli/uml_0.37-1_i386.deb, or has been integrated in ac patches |
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| 03:47.13 | Devi0s | why does debian not have mplayer? |
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| 03:47.18 | theJackal | it DOES |
| 03:47.23 | nvz | Devi0s: liscencing issues |
| 03:47.31 | nvz | theJackal: no it does not |
| 03:47.31 | wRd | brynjarh: I'd suggest looking at the progsreiserfs and reiserfsprogs packages. |
| 03:47.31 | wRd | They conflict. Both claim to have resizers. |
| 03:47.41 | theJackal | well i have it in my package tree. |
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| 03:47.50 | nvz | theJackal: I am serious now, stop making people dumber with your misconceptions |
| 03:47.53 | nvz | heh |
| 03:47.53 | cricket__ | how do i change window manageres |
| 03:47.56 | wRd | there is a non-official repository |
| 03:48.06 | wRd | for mplayer |
| 03:48.26 | theJackal | or.. you can use what i use.. the "almost everything non-official" rep. |
| 03:49.02 | nvz | theJackal: goto #knoppix, or #mepis, or #ubuntu or somewhere and push that stuff |
| 03:49.04 | Devi0s | http://www.princessleia.com/MPlayer.html |
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| 03:49.11 | nvz | we talk about debian here. |
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| 03:49.16 | nvz | you are just making people dumber |
| 03:49.19 | theJackal | fine.. ill prove it |
| 03:49.22 | cricket__ | how do i change window managers in debina |
| 03:49.29 | nvz | no need |
| 03:49.34 | nvz | !+info mplayer |
| 03:49.36 | dpkg | Package 'mplayer' does not exist. |
| 03:49.39 | nvz | simple |
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| 03:50.22 | chealer | dpkg is so cool |
| 03:50.22 | dpkg | chealer: i haven't a clue |
| 03:50.37 | carrett | !hello |
| 03:50.43 | carrett | dpkg doesn't like me |
| 03:50.57 | chealer | carrett: /msg dpkg |
| 03:51.03 | nvz | carrett: it should not waste our time with that anyhow /msg dpkg hello |
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| 03:51.09 | rdancer | why doesn't this tc(8) script limit the bandwidth?: http://rafb.net/paste/results/z4ipWd50.html |
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| 03:51.16 | theJackal | Package: mplayer |
| 03:51.19 | theJackal | Status: install ok installed |
| 03:51.19 | theJackal | Priority: optional |
| 03:51.19 | theJackal | Section: multimedia |
| 03:51.19 | theJackal | Installed-Size: 52 |
| 03:51.19 | theJackal | Maintainer: Jose L. Redrejo <jredrejo@itais.net> |
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| 03:51.21 | carrett | nvz: the bottom line is that dpkg isn't talking to me |
| 03:51.24 | carrett | i feel rejected |
| 03:51.24 | chealer | shit |
| 03:51.30 | jazzmanss | using a non-official repository does not make it not debian, if so, then my amd64 port from alioth is 'not debian' using a 'not free' source is still debian. |
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| 03:51.48 | carrett | i just tried /msg dpkg mplayer and got no reply |
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| 03:51.58 | pixelmonkey | anyone know the best tool to use to mass-resize (scale) a directory full of pngs? |
| 03:52.08 | nvz | carrett: use a different bot then |
| 03:52.08 | theJackal | sorry.. didnt realise it would do that. |
| 03:52.11 | carrett | pixelmonkey: imagemagick? |
| 03:52.25 | carrett | nvz: i'm just curious if there's any possible reason? |
| 03:52.36 | carrett | nvz: also, it seems like dpkg is the one with the most up to date info |
| 03:52.45 | cricket__ | how do i change window managers in debian? |
| 03:52.58 | nvz | its a real simple concept this is #debian get with the program. |
| 03:52.59 | carrett | cricket__: edit .xsession, or use gdm/kdm |
| 03:53.28 | jazzmanss | yes, and it's still debian, even if you have installed programs not in the official debian repository. |
| 03:53.29 | cricket__ | i dont have a .xsession |
| 03:53.39 | pixelmonkey | carrett: great, thanks for the information |
| 03:53.43 | carrett | cricket__: well, how are you starting X? |
| 03:53.47 | cricket__ | startx |
| 03:53.49 | carrett | carrett: um, sure. |
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| 03:53.51 | Azar | module usb-uhci not found - module input not found - module keybdev not found - module agpgart not found - module mousedev not found - module via88cxxx_audio not found - module apm not found what should I do? I wonder how this system still boots up and works |
| 03:54.09 | carrett | cricket__: .xsession is what startx will run (if it exists, otherwise it uses the system default) |
| 03:54.30 | cricket__ | k |
| 03:54.34 | carrett | cricket__: so, if you wanted to use, say, fluxbox, do this: $echo fluxbox > ~/.xsession |
| 03:54.42 | chealer | Azar: I'd install sarge with linux26 and follow the home.comcast.net debian-nvidia howto |
| 03:54.51 | carrett | ok.. |
| 03:54.55 | rover | wouldn't startx use .xinitrc? |
| 03:55.09 | nvz | yes it does |
| 03:55.09 | carrett | rover: not in the debian version. |
| 03:55.13 | Azar | chealer I have long way until nvidia, I am just trying to fix this new kernel now, it seems modules are not taken |
| 03:55.15 | carrett | not in my experience! |
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| 03:55.21 | carrett | maybe it depends on the version |
| 03:55.22 | nvz | well I never use startx anyhow, I use xinit |
| 03:55.29 | nvz | startx is just a script |
| 03:55.37 | Azar | should I try redo the kernel compilation? |
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| 03:55.42 | carrett | i just use {x|k|g}dm |
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| 03:55.51 | carrett | actually, mostly gdm |
| 03:56.02 | sanxiyn | Hey, man Xsession. |
| 03:56.11 | nvz | you can read /etc/X11/Xsession and it should tell you about it |
| 03:56.12 | burd | hey I'm playing with desktop toys have got snow, penguins, calendar and water.. is there any other little programs like that? |
| 03:56.18 | nvz | or the manpage as sanxiyn says |
| 03:56.52 | Azar | OH!!! I need to download , install and configure XF86Config-4!! dumb me! |
| 03:56.54 | carrett | burd: xdesktopwaves |
| 03:57.02 | carrett | or you have that |
| 03:57.04 | brynjarh | Is reiserfs really that much better then ext3? I'm getting annoyed since the default tools can't even resize reiserfs, so I'm thinking about changing to ext3 if it's not remarkably worse. |
| 03:57.04 | carrett | sorry |
| 03:57.05 | Azar | ofcourse poor modules are orphans |
| 03:57.09 | carrett | burd: floatbg |
| 03:57.14 | sanxiyn | !info amor |
| 03:57.16 | dpkg | amor: (a KDE creature for your desktop), section games, is optional. Version: 4:3.3.2-1 (sid), Packaged size: 302 kB, Installed size: 1988 kB |
| 03:57.27 | burd | I seen soemthing about roaches? |
| 03:57.33 | chealer | Azar: I'm just telling you you seem to overcomplicate your life and still spam #debian with the results |
| 03:57.36 | sanxiyn | burd: AMOR stands for Amusing Misuse Of Resources. |
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| 03:57.42 | carrett | brynjarh: it broke on me once...so i've used ext3 ever since |
| 03:57.44 | sanxiyn | burd: Even if you don't install that, name is amusing :-) |
| 03:57.49 | Azar | chealer sorry |
| 03:57.57 | Azar | I was just desperate |
| 03:58.05 | burd | sanziyn: :D |
| 03:58.26 | duke | is this bad "dsputil.c:3636: warning: assignment from incompatible pointer type" |
| 03:58.29 | burd | oops soory about the typo |
| 03:58.37 | duke | it seems to have frozen my make |
| 03:58.37 | wRd | brynjarh: else you could use XFS... |
| 03:58.45 | nvz | I havent noticed anything I got my 120gb backup drive using Rieserfs.. I havent had any problems in the past few months |
| 03:58.48 | sanxiyn | duke: Well, it's warning... |
| 03:58.49 | carrett | wRd: do you like? i've never tried it |
| 03:58.51 | sanxiyn | duke: Not error. |
| 03:58.56 | duke | ok |
| 03:58.59 | theJackal | !mozilla-mplayer |
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| 03:59.08 | theJackal | weid.. |
| 03:59.08 | sanxiyn | !info mozilla-mplayer |
| 03:59.10 | dpkg | mozilla-mplayer: (MPlayer-Plugin for Mozilla, Konqueror and OpenOffice.org), section contrib/misc, is optional. Version: 2.70-1 (sid), Packaged size: 94 kB, Installed size: 304 kB |
| 03:59.18 | sanxiyn | (It works for Konq, too) |
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| 03:59.36 | sanxiyn | !info mozilla-bonobo |
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| 03:59.41 | dpkg | mozilla-bonobo: (Mozilla plugin support for Bonobo components), section gnome, is optional. Version: 0.4.1-4 (sid), Packaged size: 25 kB, Installed size: 152 kB |
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| 03:59.44 | wRd | carrett: nice , the only drawback is resizing (no shrinking supported), when using lvm |
| 03:59.45 | sanxiyn | This plugin is also nice. |
| 04:00.07 | carrett | wRd: some day maybe if i'm really bored i will try it out |
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| 04:00.09 | sanxiyn | burd: heh |
| 04:00.17 | rellik | I need linux-restricted-modules for 2.6.7 but apt only lists ones for 2.6.8... where can I get the older ones? |
| 04:00.17 | suzzi | hello all |
| 04:00.42 | suzzi | what would be the best way to request a change in a packages default conf files? |
| 04:00.48 | wRd | carrett: have fun with it :) ill go to sleep good bye |
| 04:00.58 | sanxiyn | suzzi: Wishlist bug with rationale, I think. |
| 04:01.09 | carrett | wRd, see ya |
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| 04:02.16 | WiFiTux | someone knows the name of the book about hardware programming? I think it even was online.. |
| 04:02.19 | suzzi | sanxiyn: sounds like a plan |
| 04:02.38 | karsten | suzzi: asking who? |
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| 04:03.04 | karsten | suzzi: ...erm. Wishlist bug. Followup to debian-devel or it'll be lost. |
| 04:03.11 | Skaag | I'm loading a box via netboot/pxe and it has a new sata drive attached to it (unformatted), for some reason i get a kernel panic just because that drive is connected, can I tell the kernel something so it boots anyway? |
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| 04:03.45 | burd | hey I just found out about checkinstall, is it pretty reliable? |
| 04:03.48 | suzzi | karsten: I wouls like 'skip-innodb' commented out by default in mysql-server |
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| 04:04.13 | suzzi | just cost me a few hours... and I dont really see why it is commented by default? |
| 04:05.05 | sanxiyn | burd: Yes, pretty reliable. |
| 04:05.48 | sanxiyn | burd: It had some problem with libtool(? -- not always) for me, but not sure. |
| 04:06.11 | burd | k tyvm |
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| 04:07.05 | duke | make sucks, geeze, how long does it take to make something thats actually big |
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| 04:07.38 | sanxiyn | duke: Badly done make-based build system sucks. Make doesn't. |
| 04:07.56 | Muchachita77 | OLASS |
| 04:08.22 | Muchachita77 | genteeee ?? |
| 04:08.27 | Muchachita77 | alguienn?? hellooo! |
| 04:08.33 | nvz | Muchachita77: /j #debian-es |
| 04:08.47 | nvz | Muchachita77: hablamos ingles aqui |
| 04:08.48 | Muchachita77 | HOW ARE YOU |
| 04:08.53 | Muchachita77 | ??? |
| 04:08.57 | nvz | I am fine |
| 04:09.00 | Muchachita77 | =) |
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| 04:09.08 | nvz | lets relax, loos the caps, extended punctuation |
| 04:09.22 | nvz | try make us believe you are not just here to be an annoyance |
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| 04:09.47 | nvz | that was easier than it looked |
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| 04:09.59 | btsdev | does the debian install REQUIRE swap? or is it just a recommended deal? |
| 04:10.04 | karsten | suzzi: That's wishlist unless you can think of a security or other justification. I'm not familiar with it myself. |
| 04:10.07 | nvz | I thought I was going to have to try and argue in spanish |
| 04:10.16 | jjazz | btsdev: Not required AFAIK |
| 04:10.23 | karsten | btsdev: It's *strongly* recommended. But not required. |
| 04:10.28 | jjazz | btsdev: But pretty highly recommended. |
| 04:10.30 | WiFiTux | cual es el problema en Espanol? |
| 04:10.31 | WiFiTux | :) |
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| 04:10.41 | pixelmonkey | grr, anyone here know ImageMagick? Trying to convert a directory full of pngs to jpgs, and I can do the scaling but ImageMagick makes the background color (or assumes the alpha layer to be) black, when I need it white. I tried -background white and -fill white, but neither does anything |
| 04:11.12 | karsten | btsdev: http://sourcefrog.net/weblog/software/linux-kernel/swap.html |
| 04:12.03 | btsdev | karsten, jjazz: ok if i already have 2 partitions on the drive before i do the install, i'm going to have to do a logical partition in the install from what i understand.. now, in the debian install, when i select logical partition, it asks what FS to use... isn't that weird? isn't the logical partition just going to hold the extended other partitions? (ill have more than 4) |
| 04:12.08 | karsten | pixelmonkey: Hrm. Not sure. Can you stack images w/ Imagemagick? JPGs don't support transparency. |
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| 04:12.26 | karsten | btsdev: What partitioning tool are you using? |
| 04:12.43 | btsdev | the one included in the debian sarge net-inst cd |
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| 04:12.52 | theJackal | tell image magic to make an image of the same size made of white, and then tell it to place the image over the top of that... that might work |
| 04:12.59 | karsten | btsdev: IIRC, cfdisk just skips over the extended partition itself, and creates the logical partitions within it. |
| 04:13.35 | karsten | nvz: Google language tools ;-) |
| 04:13.37 | jjazz | btsdev: I haven't messed with such things in a while, so I don't know, and i don't want to guess about partitions. Sorry. |
| 04:13.44 | nvz | karsten: I was just there, it doesnt know |
| 04:13.55 | karsten | nvz: And is's "flatulation". |
| 04:14.04 | karsten | nvz: s/is's/it's/ |
| 04:14.05 | nvz | oh yeah |
| 04:14.12 | nvz | karsten: I am a yinzer, so... |
| 04:14.26 | pixelmonkey | karsten: I don't want transparency, I'd just like to use white as the background image if the png has transparency |
| 04:14.26 | WiFiTux | nvz, pedo? |
| 04:14.29 | jjazz | Isn't it flatulence? |
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| 04:15.33 | karsten | pixelmonkey: Right. Try the 'composite' command, that might work for you. |
| 04:15.52 | nvz | WiFiTux: ? |
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| 04:17.01 | nvz | so everyone about ready for some network outages ;) |
| 04:17.41 | pixelmonkey | karsten: so for this I'd need a jpg that is just, say, 32x32 white pixels, and then I'd composite it with my png which is transparent? |
| 04:18.01 | karsten | pixelmonkey: Presumably. I'm reading the manpage, haven't tried it myself. |
| 04:18.10 | karsten | pixelmonkey: You can resize a 1x1 white, FWIW. |
| 04:18.12 | pixelmonkey | karsten: me too :) Okay, I'll give it a shot |
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| 04:18.51 | abaron | quick question, how do I set debian to boot to the command line rather then gdm? |
| 04:19.05 | hoarycripple | OT question: "if you use debian heres a warning (atleast if you enter the debian channel): dont come in as root, you never hear the end of it, which was very annoying." What the heck does that even mean? |
| 04:19.06 | karsten | abaron: man update-rc.d |
| 04:19.11 | nvz | abaron: update-rc.d -f remove gdm |
| 04:19.19 | theJackal | you could start with the word "single" in the boot params... |
| 04:19.23 | abaron | thank you. |
| 04:19.43 | karsten | !tell hoarycripple about root |
| 04:19.47 | nvz | abaron: that removes all links to gdm for all runlevels |
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| 04:19.49 | theJackal | that should put you into "recovery" mode like you get when you have a fsck go wrong |
| 04:19.59 | karsten | hoarycripple: Principle of least privilege. Don't run root when you don't need to. |
| 04:20.21 | karsten | abaron: If you just want to _go_ to a console, <alt><F[1-6]> should do it. |
| 04:20.23 | burd | has anyone ever messed with VOIP before I don't understand what a SIP URL is.. |
| 04:20.30 | nvz | abaron: if you read the update-rc.d manpage, you could learn to put them all back except the default runlevel 2, and then just have it start gdm on other runlevels if you wanted |
| 04:20.34 | hoarycripple | karsten, well of course! i thought, he meant don't use the nick root while in this channel |
| 04:20.41 | karsten | abaron: ..Um.. <ctrl><alt><F[1-6]> |
| 04:20.58 | hoarycripple | karsten, was reading funroll-loops.org |
| 04:21.01 | karsten | hoarycripple: Well, that's annoying, and sets a bad example for n00bs |
| 04:21.02 | hoarycripple | and it came up there |
| 04:21.10 | karsten | hoarycripple: Heh. |
| 04:21.11 | pixelmonkey | karsten: you're a life-saver, thanks |
| 04:21.16 | karsten | pixelmonkey: Cool. |
| 04:21.37 | pixelmonkey | karsten: I got it to work... first I resized them all, then I did composite $i base.jpg composed/$i |
| 04:22.26 | karsten | pixelmonkey: Sweet. |
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| 04:23.01 | abaron | thanks for your help guys, it looks like it's worked |
| 04:23.03 | btsdev | ok, another question, since I'm getting confused by logical partitions... do you NEED a boot partition or can you have grub point to /boot in your / partition? |
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| 04:23.18 | karsten | btsdev: No, you don't. |
| 04:23.34 | karsten | btsdev: It's a convenience / tradition with certain benefits. |
| 04:24.17 | karsten | btsdev: The only thing you really need to know about logical partitions is that if you plan on more than 4 partitions on PC HW, you need to use 'em. |
| 04:24.25 | karsten | btsdev: Otherwise, they really don't affect much. |
| 04:25.35 | karsten | btsdev: FYI: Linux Partitioning mini-FAQ: http://kmself.home.netcom.com/Linux/FAQs/partition.html |
| 04:25.49 | karsten | btsdev: ...the TWikIWeThey page it points to is slightly more current. |
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| 04:27.01 | duke | has anyone ever installed lumiere |
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| 04:27.26 | karsten | duke: WTF is lumiere? |
| 04:27.41 | duke | it was the only front end for mplayer i could find |
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| 04:28.15 | duke | i don't like just the box with the movie |
| 04:28.30 | karsten | duke: Um. Fullscreen mode. |
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| 04:29.14 | theJackal | thats F incase you were wondering.. |
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| 04:31.25 | Marticus | yo |
| 04:31.36 | Marticus | is woody still stable? |
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| 04:31.45 | theJackal | :| |
| 04:31.46 | karsten | Marticus: Yes. |
| 04:31.50 | Marticus | okay |
| 04:31.53 | theJackal | you dont get much more stable |
| 04:31.56 | Marticus | lol |
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| 04:32.02 | Marticus | I didn't mean technically speaking |
| 04:32.04 | karsten | theJackal: As opposed to, say, Sarge releasing. |
| 04:32.07 | theJackal | do they have firefox in stable yet? |
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| 04:32.10 | karsten | Marticus: You'll know when that happens. |
| 04:32.19 | Marticus | karsten yeah I suppose I will |
| 04:32.21 | karsten | Marticus: ...the devil will be wearing a fur coat. |
| 04:32.28 | Marticus | I will look for it |
| 04:32.37 | Marticus | damn animal killers |
| 04:32.40 | theJackal | or is it still firebird in stable? |
| 04:32.42 | duke | no, i want the controls, foward, back, pause |
| 04:32.42 | duke | hmmm, it would appear you are right :) |
| 04:32.43 | Marticus | so anyway... |
| 04:32.44 | duke | i guess that will do |
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| 04:33.02 | Marticus | irssi snapshot... what happened to it? it's not on any backport servers anymore |
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| 04:33.10 | Marticus | did it go away? |
| 04:33.14 | Pumpkin_Pie | is there a way to dig all the PTR records that a DNS server has ? |
| 04:33.20 | karsten | theJackal: not sure. Maybe Phoenix? |
| 04:33.20 | brynjarh | Isn't mplayer part non-free or something? |
| 04:33.21 | brynjarh | I don't get it when people use free software but don't still don't believe in it's ideals, if they think non-free software is the way they should just use that. |
| 04:33.27 | chealer | theJackal: hum...you should check packages.d.o and d.o/releases. woody was released in 2002 |
| 04:33.27 | karsten | theJackal: Check backports. |
| 04:33.43 | karsten | Pumpkin_Pie: Um. 'query' IIRC, but only if you're allowed that. |
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| 04:34.02 | theJackal | !irssi-snapshot |
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| 04:34.22 | theJackal | hmm, its listed in aptitude :/ |
| 04:34.28 | Marticus | indeed |
| 04:34.53 | chealer | brynjarh: it's not in non-free. /msg dpkg mplayer |
| 04:34.55 | Marticus | backports has the 2003 cvs... |
| 04:34.58 | theJackal | 0.8.6+cvs.20031114-1 |
| 04:35.08 | Marticus | I have been using a 2004 release |
| 04:35.22 | chealer | brynjarh: I don't understand what you mean about free software |
| 04:35.39 | karsten | Pumpkin_Pie: '-a' perhaps. My bind is a bit rusty. |
| 04:35.43 | theJackal | theres free software.. and theres "free" software |
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| 04:36.08 | Marticus | nevermind |
| 04:36.24 | Marticus | I found it in my cache |
| 04:36.28 | Marticus | will just copy it to home |
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| 04:36.36 | Marticus | fyi irssi-snapshot_20041018-1440_i386.deb |
| 04:36.44 | theJackal | ive a listed irssi-scripts 20050123 if thats any help |
| 04:36.50 | Marticus | dropped off the face of the earth |
| 04:37.11 | Marticus | dunno what's in scripts, so I can't say :) |
| 04:37.34 | theJackal | it contains a text-mode client |
| 04:37.42 | Marticus | oh... |
| 04:37.52 | drac | 0.8.10-rc5.20050112-1 is available deb http://irssi.qvr.info/debian/ sarge/ |
| 04:38.05 | Marticus | backport :) |
| 04:38.13 | Marticus | still using woody, it aint broke :) |
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| 04:38.18 | Marticus | so to speak |
| 04:38.36 | brynjarh | chealer: I'm just confused when people use free software and then want non-free software, then why are they using free software to begin with? |
| 04:38.40 | theJackal | well irssi_snapshot replaces irssi-scripts |
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| 04:39.05 | rellik | is there some file that runs when you log into gnome? I wanna have stuff like gaim and email run at login |
| 04:39.26 | chealer | brynjarh: many reasons, stability, compatibility, etc. |
| 04:39.26 | theJackal | sorry..replaces irssi-scripts < 8 , but suggests irssi-script >=9 |
| 04:39.34 | karsten | rellik: .xinitrc, .xsession. |
| 04:39.36 | drac | brynjarh: e.g. ATi drivers are binary only, like those damn w32codecs mplayer likes to use. So I should be using 2D drivers with my X just because that? :/ |
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| 04:40.13 | mwilson | wheeee |
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| 04:40.46 | WiFiTux | how can I wget a whole folder of files? |
| 04:40.53 | Marticus | wget -m |
| 04:40.54 | theJackal | install lftp |
| 04:40.56 | theJackal | its better |
| 04:40.56 | mrwill | how do I get rid of a backport? commented out line in sources.list, apt-get update; apt-get upgrade; nothing. |
| 04:40.59 | Marticus | or use something else |
| 04:41.01 | Marticus | like lftp |
| 04:41.03 | Marticus | *grin* |
| 04:41.13 | mwilson | mrwill: Define "get rid of". |
| 04:41.15 | theJackal | lftp = God of FTP |
| 04:41.15 | brynjarh | drac: Yes you should, do you even know why free software exist in the first place? By the way there is a graphic card being developed that is open and will have proper free drivers for it with 3D support. |
| 04:41.16 | chealer | mrwill: uninstall it |
| 04:41.25 | Marticus | apt-get remove |
| 04:41.29 | mwilson | theJackal: Better for what? |
| 04:41.31 | mrwill | mwilson: go back to earlier non back-ported version. |
| 04:41.33 | theJackal | if nvidia went opensource, ati would see their secrets |
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| 04:41.38 | kanati | Can someone help me figure out how to downgrade my xfree86 to 4.2.1? |
| 04:41.44 | Marticus | downlaod the deb and install it manually |
| 04:41.45 | Marticus | hehe |
| 04:41.58 | theJackal | lftp is effectively a bash shell as far as functionality goes |
| 04:41.58 | Marticus | I wouldnt do that though |
| 04:41.58 | mrwill | Marticus: on top of the other deb? |
| 04:42.02 | Marticus | no no |
| 04:42.06 | mwilson | mrwill: How does messing with sources.list do anything like that? If you want it gone, uninstall it, you're done. |
| 04:42.08 | Marticus | I already said to apt-get remove |
| 04:42.13 | Nurbs | brynjarh: where? |
| 04:42.28 | theJackal | you can do stuff with lftp like ' find | grep mplayer' |
| 04:42.52 | theJackal | and 'cat pornvid.mpg | mplayer - ` -- even over ssh ftp . |
| 04:43.01 | mwilson | theJackal: Wow, the writer of lftp is that incompetent? |
| 04:43.02 | brynjarh | Nurbs: Where what? The graphic card? I think you can get most of the info on it you need from this interview --> http://kerneltrap.org/node/4622 |
| 04:43.13 | Skaag | need some urgent help here - what part in linuxrc gets the knowlege that the box needs to boot from /dev/sda2 when I attach a drive to the box? |
| 04:43.14 | WiFiTux | Marticus, cool, thanks, that -m looks fine. |
| 04:43.24 | mrwill | mwilson: right, except it has dependencies. I wish I would just swap it out in place they way it went in... |
| 04:43.28 | theJackal | wtf.. mwilson.. |
| 04:44.00 | mwilson | theJackal: Surprising that he'd enable the running of random binaries. |
| 04:44.09 | theJackal | you cd into a directory.. and type "mirror sourcedir targetdir" and it mirrors properly.. only decending.. not ascending.. like wget often gets |
| 04:44.13 | mwilson | theJackal: Or is it just a big busybox-type thing? |
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| 04:44.22 | theJackal | um, lftp runns the aplications client side. |
| 04:44.36 | Skaag | no help for me? |
| 04:44.37 | mwilson | Oh, so it's really useless, then. |
| 04:44.43 | mrwill | theJackal: but using the remote directory tree? |
| 04:44.48 | theJackal | yes |
| 04:45.00 | mrwill | theJackal: sounds pretty cool to me. |
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| 04:45.03 | theJackal | ie: access ftp files as if they were local/ |
| 04:45.08 | mwilson | What a useless feature. |
| 04:45.14 | theJackal | :| |
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| 04:45.28 | kanati | I'm having problems with xv on my nvidia using my xfree86, and I need to install an older version. Can I use apt for that? |
| 04:45.29 | theJackal | it even has tab completion |
| 04:45.35 | theJackal | !lftp |
| 04:45.35 | dpkg | i guess lftp is a rockin' ncftp killer or the leet FTP client. my daddy!, or the quick lftp howto: lftp foo? get blah? cd bleh? ^z to background d/l's? jobs to list them? |
| 04:45.51 | theJackal | !info lftp |
| 04:45.55 | dpkg | lftp: (Sophisticated command-line FTP/HTTP client programs), section net, is optional. Version: 3.0.13-1 (sid), Packaged size: 521 kB, Installed size: 1384 kB |
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| 04:46.47 | theJackal | lftp allows you to do all sorts of stuff you cant do with other ftp clients. |
| 04:46.48 | Nurbs | brynjarh: I should use complete sentences more often :) Thanks! |
| 04:47.21 | theJackal | and also, it will browse HTTP sites with links and stuff, as if it were a file system. |
| 04:47.27 | mwilson | Does it actually do anything you'd *need* to do with an ftp client? |
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| 04:47.31 | bytecolor | anyone familiar with the firefox '-remote' command line option? |
| 04:47.44 | theJackal | um.. like mirroring bulk lists of files recursively? |
| 04:47.54 | mwilson | Or is it just useless features? |
| 04:48.02 | chealer | bytecolor: check irc.mozilla.org/#firefox |
| 04:48.05 | theJackal | :( |
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| 04:48.41 | burd | weeeeee |
| 04:48.45 | mwilson | Like you really need an interactive FTP client for mirroring. |
| 04:48.56 | bytecolor | chealer, thanks |
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| 04:49.46 | nvz | seems like an early network interruption |
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| 04:51.48 | mwilson | I finally got a copy of the DVD |
| 04:51.56 | calmar | kanati: qiv is also a cool prog btw |
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| 04:53.03 | kanati | calmar: I'll check it out... looks useful |
| 04:53.35 | theJackal | feh is cool too:) |
| 04:54.44 | kanati | they both look worth trying out |
| 04:55.30 | kanati | since xfree86 came with my distro, will apt-get remove work onit? |
| 04:57.39 | Skaag | can someone *please* help me get this thing working? i'm trying to get a box that works over netboot to recognize a local sata drive and not boot from it |
| 04:58.58 | kanati | skaag: over my head, or I'd try to help out. Doesn't look like there's many ppl left after the network hiccup.. |
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| 04:59.11 | Skaag | :-[ |
| 05:00.58 | pepperpot | I think there's a serious firefox bug sid. Firefox freezes if you go to www.kernel.org and click on 2.6.10. I don't know what it is about the site, but it is reproducible. |
| 05:01.20 | surreal_ | what's your guys' pdf reader of choice? |
| 05:01.32 | vulture | surreal_: xpdf |
| 05:01.42 | pepperpot | Can someone confirm that it's not just my setup, and that there exists a bug somewhere? |
| 05:01.51 | pepperpot | surreal_: acroread |
| 05:01.54 | brynjarh | surreal_: gpdf since I use GNOME, but I have found xpdf to work better sometimes. |
| 05:01.55 | surreal_ | ill check it out pepper |
| 05:01.58 | surreal_ | acroread is bad. |
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| 05:02.02 | Guerin | acroread is shite |
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| 05:02.18 | Guerin | it doesn';t support real postscript fonts |
| 05:02.20 | pepperpot | surreal_: acroread is commercial and evil, but it is faster than xpdf with large files |
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| 05:02.41 | zog-vsl | acroread is a pain in the arse but i need it for an imortant site to work, it actually checks for the acroread plugin |
| 05:02.42 | surreal_ | well pepper im running woody |
| 05:02.47 | surreal_ | and there seems to be no problem |
| 05:03.08 | pepperpot | surreal_: i had no problem either until a recent apt-get upgrade |
| 05:03.12 | surreal_ | try installing a download manager plugin |
| 05:03.16 | surreal_ | hmm |
| 05:03.42 | pepperpot | surreal_: i think it is a library issue rather than firefox itself. I tried using the standard non-debian firefox as well |
| 05:03.56 | pepperpot | but what libraries does firefox use that could cause blocking? |
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| 05:05.42 | rellik | I'm trying to set up cron to play a video at a certain time, using 'mplayer -display :0.0 <file>'. the command works when I just type it in, but from cron it fails, saying "Must be connected to a terminal"... how do I make cron happy? |
| 05:06.18 | pepperpot | rellik: try DISPLAY=:0.0 mplayer file |
| 05:06.34 | rellik | pepperpot, I've tried that, too :( |
| 05:06.39 | rellik | pepperpot, gives same error |
| 05:06.39 | dud | make sure the crontab is ran with a user that has xhost access |
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| 05:07.09 | hikaru79 | I'm having problems running Ruby scripts after uncommenting the '#AddHandler cgi-script .cgi' line in apache2.conf , any ideas? |
| 05:07.16 | rellik | dud, crontab is being run as the user that is currently logged into gnome .. does this mean it has xhost access? |
| 05:07.27 | dud | should have yes |
| 05:09.26 | zog-vsl | anyone know how to start plone/zope on sarge? |
| 05:09.52 | mwilson | zog-vsl: Other than installing it and reading the instructions? |
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| 05:11.10 | Skaag | what modules do I need in a kernel for it to see my sata controller+drive? |
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| 05:11.31 | Skaag | or maybe, where in menuconfig do I find the various sata related options? |
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| 05:12.45 | kruzi | hey all. here is my issue, my isp has unmetered downloads between 2am and 8am daily. i need an application that can download a directory of files via multiple connections or multithreading from a webserver. any suggestions ive tried aget and axel but they wont allow a whole dir and get everything in the dir it only gets file by file ? |
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| 05:12.59 | zog-vsl | mwilson: have done that, has all this COOL STUFF about what a CMS is and how to edit your site, but the command that starts plone/zope that was in the previous version is not there |
| 05:13.14 | zog-vsl | mwilson: thanks for your help |
| 05:13.27 | budfox | how can I get the gnome pager back? |
| 05:13.44 | nvz | the what? |
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| 05:14.22 | travisat | I just installed xfree86 4.4.0 using the debs from fifi.org and it removed /sbin from my path......wierd |
| 05:14.25 | mwilson | zog-vsl: So, in other words, you haven't even looked at the documentation. |
| 05:14.34 | kruzi | anyone? |
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| 05:14.55 | mwilson | <PROTECTED> |
| 05:15.02 | mwilson | So it's unlikely it removed it. |
| 05:15.20 | budfox | when I minimize an app it disappears, but it's still running |
| 05:15.22 | travisat | hmmm then how did I run ifconfig and iwconfig |
| 05:15.55 | mwilson | Not having been there, I have no idea. |
| 05:16.07 | pepperpot | kruzi: wget? |
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| 05:16.59 | kruzi | pepperbot: but it will only get 1 file at a time with 1 connection right? |
| 05:17.22 | brynjarh | Can anyone recommend a text based browser other then Lynx? |
| 05:17.32 | calyth | brynjarh: w3m |
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| 05:17.34 | pepperpot | kruzi: yeah |
| 05:17.36 | Thaiger | brynjarh:Links |
| 05:17.45 | mwilson | You need something other than Lynx? |
| 05:17.53 | pepperpot | brynjarh: links |
| 05:17.55 | mwilson | Ew, Links |
| 05:17.56 | Skaag | what modules do I need to probe for sata? |
| 05:17.57 | kruzi | pepperpot: i need something to make more than one connection |
| 05:18.00 | calyth | anyone know where the heck the glui library is for OpenGL? I couldn't find the damn package... |
| 05:18.15 | brynjarh | mwilson: not really |
| 05:18.15 | pepperpot | kruzi: ah |
| 05:18.51 | pepperpot | brynjarh: links has some nice features. Works with mouse over putty |
| 05:18.54 | Skaag | ok found it |
| 05:19.09 | Smurg | Which is the smallest windowing enviroment around ? |
| 05:19.16 | kruzi | pepperbot: any ideas? |
| 05:19.24 | zog-vsl | mwilson: I have looked in the documentation, it doesnt say how to start it, in plone docs and zope-cmf1.4 docs |
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| 05:19.39 | brynjarh | Smurg: Don't know which is the smallest but fluxbox is pretty small. |
| 05:20.11 | calyth | Smurg: I'm sure twm is pretty small too, but you'll hate it |
| 05:20.17 | mwilson | Smurg: Uh, they're all the same windowing environment. It's called X. |
| 05:20.28 | calyth | smurg: I think blackbox is also one of the smaller ones, I'm not quite sure |
| 05:20.46 | Smurg | well, what about the x-11 i see on my aptitude screen, can i install only necessary components and make it quite small/ |
| 05:20.51 | Skaag | ok maybe you guys can help me with something simpler then... |
| 05:20.58 | Skaag | (now that my sata drive is mounted) |
| 05:21.04 | Smurg | anything around 500 MB is Ok |
| 05:21.20 | Skaag | I need to get my remotely booted (over NFS) system over to my new local physical drive |
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| 05:21.29 | Skaag | what's the best way to do this? |
| 05:22.07 | zog-vsl | mwilson: think i have fixed it, was apt acting wierd due to clashing versions |
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| 05:23.05 | alejandro_ | [OT]I have an asus a7v600-x and it hangs when I set it to work with a 2ghz pcu (yes, mine is 2ghz), so i though it has to do with the bios, I just updated it and the problem persists, has any1 of you the same problem? or maybe know what can it be? |
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| 05:23.46 | warthawg | how can i tell what dist a package is in? |
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| 05:25.35 | brynjarh | warthawg: From the folder it's in I guess, depends on how you are viewing the package, if you just find a package lying around somewhere I wouldn't know from where it came from. :) |
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| 05:26.05 | zyqqh | would anyone happen to know what changed in dpkg between woody and sarge? i recently finally upgraded, and am now noticing that "dpkg -l \*" no longer lists every single package available from the apt sources, but rather some subset (maybe those installed and those mentioned in dependencies?) |
| 05:26.35 | zyqqh | (may well be a problem with apt-something, but i don't know the details of the boundary between apt and dpkg well enough to tell) |
| 05:26.39 | warthawg | brynjarh: it's gnome-photo-print. i thought synaptic would tell me, or apt-cache, but I guess not./ |
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| 05:26.47 | Thaiger | Skaag, rsync? |
| 05:27.02 | pepperpot | kruzi: look at d4x |
| 05:27.13 | kruzi | oo? ok |
| 05:27.34 | Skaag | Thaiger: I thought about that, i'm checking which flags to use so that it will preserve permissions |
| 05:27.45 | Snadder | whats the easiest way of testing if both my interfaces working?.. with binding to them? and testing them? |
| 05:28.21 | Thaiger | Skaag, never really used rsync myself so I probably couldn't help you there |
| 05:28.39 | kruzi | pepperpot: not such package on freshmeat? d4x ? |
| 05:28.52 | pepperpot | kruzi: just apt-get it |
| 05:29.05 | brynjarh | warthawg: check your /etc/apt/sources.list file, there you can see what repository you are using, like in my file I have a line that says "deb http://ftp.is.debian.org/debian/ unstable main" so synaptic should be downloading packages from unstable. What do you mean by dist though? Are you talking about stable, testing and unstable? |
| 05:29.15 | Skaag | Thaiger: ok -av will do it |
| 05:29.19 | vulture | Snadder: bring the interfaces up, ping computers on the networks.. |
| 05:29.32 | Snadder | vulture, but I have two interfaces |
| 05:29.40 | kruzi | pepperpot: this particular box its needed on isnt debian its fedora unfortnuatly |
| 05:29.50 | vulture | Snadder: so? |
| 05:29.52 | Snadder | vulture, the first one works.. but dunno if the other works |
| 05:29.52 | warthawg | thanks, brynjarh, just did that and found it was in testing and unstable. is that unusual, for the same release? |
| 05:30.04 | vulture | Snadder: so.. is it connected to anything? |
| 05:30.21 | Skaag | quick question about rsync... if I mount a drive under /mnt and I want to rsync the entire system onto that drive, will rsync loop infinitely, trying to sync /mnt with /mnt/mnt? |
| 05:30.25 | Snadder | the cable is connected. |
| 05:30.27 | Skaag | I know it sounds weird or stupid ;-) |
| 05:30.40 | Snadder | vulture, but I guess something is wrong with the configuration |
| 05:30.57 | Snadder | vulture, should I add gateway for both interfaces? |
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| 05:31.23 | pepperpot | kruzi: i don't know. It's called Downloader for X |
| 05:31.24 | edward_ | If I try to unzip a .zip I get this error.. who can help me.. ? End-of-central-directory signature not found. |
| 05:31.43 | Snadder | vulture, I got ssh up on both interfaces.. dosnt seems to work on the second one |
| 05:31.56 | Skaag | edward_: use 'file' to identify if that file is really a zip file |
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| 05:32.04 | Skaag | edward_: if it is, then it's corrupted |
| 05:32.09 | mohohaha | someone here familiar with name server? |
| 05:32.14 | edward_ | <PROTECTED> |
| 05:32.23 | Skaag | mohohaha: I met name server last night in a pub, dude |
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| 05:32.36 | Skaag | edward_: Do you have v2.0 at least, to extract? :) |
| 05:32.47 | Skaag | unzip -v |
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| 05:33.27 | edward_ | UnZip 5.51 of 22 May 2004 |
| 05:33.31 | mohohaha | my ns in dig and in whois are different, shouldn't they be same? |
| 05:33.36 | Skaag | edward_: nice |
| 05:33.43 | Skaag | edward_: So maybe it's just corrupt |
| 05:33.52 | mohohaha | i thought linux ppl are guru |
| 05:33.53 | edward_ | damn.. solaris zip file.. |
| 05:33.55 | Snadder | vulture, I got two both eth0 and eth1 in /etc/network/interfaces |
| 05:34.04 | edward_ | It took me 1 full day to download the zip |
| 05:34.07 | Skaag | edward_: or maybe password protected? but maybe that would not be the kind of error you would get in case of a password protected zip file... |
| 05:34.25 | kruzi | pepperpot: hrm done and installed via yum whats the executable? d4x dont work. |
| 05:34.26 | Skaag | edward_: So I suggest you do an md5hash of that file and compare it with the md5hash of the remote file |
| 05:34.28 | Snadder | vulture, should I set the "gateway" option with both interface? |
| 05:34.36 | edward_ | Skaag, hm.. I'll read on the sun site for a faq |
| 05:34.42 | Skaag | i mean md5sum |
| 05:34.59 | Skaag | it will give you a string of numbers and letters, compare it to the one on the other side |
| 05:35.10 | Skaag | if they are the same, then both files are identical |
| 05:35.26 | Skaag | which means that maybe it's another problem, or that maybe even the original file is corrupt |
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| 05:36.31 | mankeletor | hi |
| 05:37.16 | mankeletor | i want to install debian, but i don't know how much cd's i need to burn the images |
| 05:37.29 | Skaag | if you use the netinstall you need just one small cd |
| 05:37.42 | Skaag | would fit in your wallet |
| 05:38.17 | mankeletor | ok saapas |
| 05:38.24 | mankeletor | sorry |
| 05:38.31 | mankeletor | ok Skaag |
| 05:38.35 | Skaag | np |
| 05:39.01 | brynjarh | mankeletor: depends on what image you want to burn, http://www.debian.org/devel/debian-installer/ - I recommend the netinst CD image if you are not on a dial-up. |
| 05:40.00 | mankeletor | thanks brynjarh |
| 05:40.29 | pepperpot | kruzi: i don't remember. I haven't used it in ages. |
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| 05:43.05 | thully | hi - does anyone know how to set up a sudoers file so that I can run anything as root with any user as long as I enter the root password? I like how sudo makes it easier to run commands and doesn't make you re-enter the password running multiple commands in a row. |
| 05:43.54 | karsten | thully: as root: visudo. Add <user> ALL=(ALL) ALL |
| 05:44.04 | karsten | thully: ...to allow some user to run any command from any host. |
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| 05:44.17 | thully | do they have to enter root pw? |
| 05:44.25 | mankeletor | but, if i want to burn the cd images, i must to have 7 cd-r's to burn debian |
| 05:44.32 | karsten | thully: No. sudo requires the *user's* password for auth. |
| 05:44.38 | mankeletor | or i wrong |
| 05:44.42 | karsten | thully: You can disable root password, theoretically. |
| 05:44.57 | thully | yes - I know that Ubuntu does that |
| 05:45.10 | karsten | mankeletor: You only need the first disk. There are other install methods. |
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| 05:45.52 | karsten | thully: I would advise *NOT* giving *all* users access via sudoers. That effectively disables user security. |
| 05:46.25 | karsten | thully: For known, trusted users, it's OK. Typically if you are admining the box, give your user account sudo rights. |
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| 05:47.14 | mankeletor | ok karsten |
| 05:47.35 | ron_ | where am i? |
| 05:47.46 | Skaag | you are right next to me |
| 05:47.52 | Skaag | i can see you are not shaved |
| 05:47.58 | karsten | ron_: Wherever you go, there you are. |
| 05:48.10 | ron_ | oh ok |
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| 05:48.47 | Skaag | so long as you don't type ls -l in here, we're ok with you not knowing where you are, dude |
| 05:48.52 | karsten | ron_: Forensics would suggest somewhere in South Carolina. |
| 05:49.34 | ron_ | how do i increase my font in here? |
| 05:49.37 | ron_ | how do i increase my font in here? |
| 05:49.49 | karsten | !tell ron_ about repeat |
| 05:49.52 | Skaag | get cloer to the screen |
| 05:49.55 | Xemacs_ | I thought this was "The Outer Limits" ?? |
| 05:49.57 | Skaag | get closer to the screen |
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| 05:50.02 | Azar | can anyone tell me why the url deb http://http.us.debian.org/debian NVDIST main contrib non-free (after setting NVDIST=unstable) is not working from apt sources.list? |
| 05:50.29 | Azar | I am really trying to follow the http://home.comcast.net/~andrex/Debian-nVidia/installation.html tutorial but it is not working |
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| 05:50.51 | edward_ | Chain INPUT (policy ACCEPT 3654M packets, 3148G bytes) <-- is there a limit to these numbers... ? |
| 05:50.54 | karsten | Azar: Um. What's NVDIST? Should be a value (stable/unstable/testing/experimental), no? |
| 05:51.02 | thully | karsten: just tried that, and I am not being prompted for any password at all! what's up? |
| 05:51.18 | Skaag | thully: sudo remembers you for a while |
| 05:51.28 | karsten | thully: 'groups' Are you in wheel? |
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| 05:51.33 | thully | well, this was the first time I did it |
| 05:51.33 | jake | hi all |
| 05:51.55 | thully | no - I am not in wheel |
| 05:52.03 | brynjarh | WANs normaly operate at lower speeds then LANs right? |
| 05:52.30 | Skaag | brynjarh: in most typical cases yes |
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| 05:52.41 | karsten | thully: Try 'sudo -k; sudo true' |
| 05:52.48 | karsten | thully: ...are you prompted for a password? |
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| 05:52.52 | jake | I am having a bit of trouble with usb mass storage devices. I cant seem to find out what device to mount. I look in /var/log/messages, I see the msd detected, and given a scsi host, but it doesnt say which /dev/sdxx i need to mount to use it.... |
| 05:52.59 | thully | karsten; no |
| 05:53.07 | karsten | thully: First clears any timestamp, second just runs 'true'. |
| 05:53.09 | karsten | Hrm. |
| 05:53.11 | Skaag | jake: did you try dmesg? |
| 05:53.18 | brynjarh | Is it DNS, UDP, TCP or RIP that includes facilities for end-to-end connections, error detection, and metering data flow? |
| 05:53.39 | vulture | brynjarh: do yer own homework |
| 05:53.51 | vulture | !beat brynjarh |
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| 05:53.55 | rellik | brynjarh, TCP |
| 05:53.56 | vulture | excellent |
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| 05:54.01 | brynjarh | vulture: homework? |
| 05:54.28 | ron_ | how do i increase my font in here? |
| 05:54.29 | brynjarh | I don't have school at this time of year |
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| 05:54.41 | rellik | ron_, CAPS LOCK KEY :) |
| 05:54.52 | ron_ | no i mean |
| 05:54.56 | karsten | thully: What's in /etc/pam.d/sudo ? |
| 05:54.58 | ron_ | reading the font on here |
| 05:55.05 | vulture | brynjarh: what else would motivate such a question? |
| 05:55.09 | ron_ | in here |
| 05:55.14 | mosty | ron, depends on your client. check your settings. |
| 05:55.16 | karsten | thully: Should be two lines, "@include common-auth" and "@include common-account" |
| 05:55.22 | Skaag | ron_: go to google, type "increase" and hit "i'm feeling lucky". With any luck, and if you follow instructions closely, within 6 month you will have a larger one, then you will not care about irc or computers as much as you do now |
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| 05:55.50 | karsten | ron_: What's your IRC client? |
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| 05:56.00 | thully | those 2 lines are there, but before them I have #%PAM-1.0 |
| 05:56.02 | Skaag | he's using xchat |
| 05:56.14 | jake | Skaag, yeah. I get no mention of sda1 or any sd**.... from dmesg |
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| 05:56.27 | mosty | i want to write a cron job that records from line-in, how can i pipe line-in to lame? |
| 05:56.30 | Skaag | jake: maybe your device is not recognized |
| 05:56.38 | jake | Skaag, explain? |
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| 05:57.00 | Skaag | the actual connectivity is recognized, but the make/model is not |
| 05:57.01 | karsten | thully: I've seen this before, just trying to figure out the fix.... |
| 05:57.22 | Skaag | jake: the usb subsystem sees a device was attached but that's all it knows |
| 05:57.24 | yxa | which package is 'dig' in? |
| 05:57.31 | Skaag | dns-utils no? |
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| 05:57.52 | yxa | Skaag no such pack |
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| 05:58.14 | yxa | dnsutils |
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| 05:58.22 | jake | Skaag, I would paste the whole output if it wasnt considered flooding. Its definitly recognised, its mentiond in /proc/scsi/scsi/X (where X is the host number??), and in the output of dmesg |
| 05:58.22 | marinos | Hello |
| 05:58.27 | yxa | thanks |
| 05:58.46 | jake | I have no /dev/sdxx at all.... |
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| 05:59.19 | Skaag | jake: that's what i'm saying |
| 05:59.40 | Skaag | jake: It is possible to get the device name but still not be able to communicate with it |
| 05:59.48 | Azar | karsten I set export NVDIST=unstable then inserted the url given in the tutorial in apt/sources.list , apt-get update and the url is IGN |
| 05:59.59 | Skaag | yxa: apt-get install host |
| 06:00.02 | kruzi | pepperpot still there? |
| 06:00.06 | chealer | Azar: NVDIST is for the home.comcast.net howto, not for sources.list |
| 06:00.15 | jake | Skaag, oh. this device works on my work computer (fedora core 3. office standards....) |
| 06:00.17 | kruzi | pepperpot: d4x is exactly what i need but everytime i add url it locks |
| 06:00.29 | Azar | oh |
| 06:00.31 | Skaag | jake: and what do you use at home? |
| 06:00.42 | jake | Skaag, um debian unstable. |
| 06:01.02 | karsten | Azar: Well, I'd suggest you Don't Do That Then. |
| 06:01.12 | karsten | Azar: Reference for this? I've never heard of it. |
| 06:01.13 | chealer | Azar: " I will use $NVDIST to represent this value in all of the commands below." |
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| 06:02.40 | chealer | I have cupsys/raw-print: true |
| 06:02.40 | chealer | where is that set? |
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| 06:04.06 | Skaag | jake: beats me... |
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| 06:04.24 | Azar | karsten I think I figure out what he means but I am trying to figure out how to do the variable |
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| 06:04.42 | Azar | thanks to your enlightment ofcourse |
| 06:04.50 | chealer | Azar: just consider $NVDIST has to be replaced by unstable |
| 06:04.52 | karsten | Azar: ;-) |
| 06:05.01 | DevilMind[ITA] | C'è qualche italiano? |
| 06:05.18 | thully | Any clue on the sudo issue? |
| 06:05.19 | Azar | where $NVDIST is in fact the real version of nvidia |
| 06:05.28 | chealer | Azar: no it's not |
| 06:05.34 | karsten | !italian |
| 06:05.34 | dpkg | extra, extra, read all about it, italian is per aiuto in lingua italiana: /j #debian-it, (anche /j #linux-it). Otterrete sicuramente piu' aiuto li', bischeri! For help in italian /j #debian-it or /j #linux-it |
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| 06:05.53 | Azar | hmm the package should be somewhere there at that url |
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| 06:06.05 | Azar | but I have to give it the real name, not NVDIST |
| 06:06.10 | chealer | Azar: they are on any sid mirror |
| 06:06.12 | mosty | can anyone tell me how i can get data from the line-in of my soundcard? |
| 06:06.19 | chealer | Azar: so give it unstable |
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| 06:06.46 | Azar | chealer as in 500 ftp://mirrors.kernel.org unstable/non-free Packages? |
| 06:06.56 | DevilMind[ITA] | grazieeeeee |
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| 06:07.22 | chealer | Azar: no, as in deb ftp://gulus.usherbrooke.ca/debian/ unstable main non-free contrib |
| 06:07.32 | chealer | kernel.org isn't a debian mirror |
| 06:07.52 | Azar | thanks |
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| 06:11.22 | thully | I've been having issues getting my fonts looking good in XFree86 with KDE. |
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| 06:11.58 | thully | First of all, does anyone know how to keep bitmap fonts enabled yet have all apps prefer outline fonts (so that I don't have to use "use my fonts" in Firefox |
| 06:12.45 | mattybats | can someone recommend a better way to play cd's than the debian default of using gnomecd and autolaunching and mounting. It seems to freak my puter out (gnomecd takes forever, mildly scratched cd's that play on computers won't play, general all around shittyness ala some bad windows 95 app) |
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| 06:14.06 | nvz | yeah that damn ear piece almost makes me like talking on the phone |
| 06:14.35 | nvz | certainly makes it more comfortable and natural feeling |
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| 06:15.53 | Skaag | why wouldn't grub find a corresponding driver for my sata drive in BIOS? |
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| 06:18.02 | nvz | I need to change my tz I accidentally set to EST to Central time, and tzconfig after choosing my country lists like 50 cities, and no Denton, Ft Worth, Dallas or anything I recognise nearby.. heh |
| 06:18.07 | nvz | I am confused |
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| 06:18.44 | BucWheat | hey all |
| 06:18.49 | Mutant-X | can anyone help me on how to create a custom keyboard shortcut in gnome? |
| 06:18.51 | cg0def | nvz: and there is no city that you know is in the same time zone? |
| 06:19.00 | BucWheat | is hyper-threading supported in debian ? or linux period ? |
| 06:19.11 | chealer | BucWheat: yes |
| 06:19.14 | Skaag | in linux period |
| 06:19.23 | Skaag | beware of pms, though |
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| 06:19.33 | BucWheat | do i need to use 2.6.x kernel ? |
| 06:19.33 | nvz | cg0def: I havent read all 50+ cities yet but I havent been able to pic out any of the largest cities in Texas so far |
| 06:19.41 | Skaag | BucWheat: not nessecarily |
| 06:20.00 | Skaag | is texas a state at all? |
| 06:20.06 | Skaag | :) |
| 06:20.16 | cg0def | nvz: you might have to go with a different state |
| 06:20.24 | nvz | cg0def: I dont see what the fuck geography has to do with this.. I know my timezones.. is it going to quiz me on geography now? |
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| 06:20.31 | CyzarX | hello all |
| 06:20.39 | CyzarX | where is gaim plugin located? |
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| 06:21.02 | nvz | Skaag: texas is technically a country. though its believed by many to be a state |
| 06:21.12 | cg0def | nvz: hey I didn't write the tool no reason to get pissted of at me |
| 06:21.16 | boow | just install debian woody for the first time not as hard as it was made out to be but i've used knoppix debian before too |
| 06:21.19 | cg0def | pissed |
| 06:21.30 | kruzi | anyone here use d4x ? |
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| 06:21.32 | nvz | cg0def: I am just expressing my frustration.. I am sure you can see what I am talking about |
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| 06:21.53 | Skaag | nvz: I was kidding |
| 06:21.54 | chealer | boow: maybe you'd be better with sarge then |
| 06:21.59 | BucWheat | are there any issues using amd processors in debian? |
| 06:22.05 | jm_ | kruzi: I used it a few times |
| 06:22.29 | chealer | CyzarX: what gaim plugin? |
| 06:22.32 | Skaag | nvz: coming from a country that is probably the size of one province in TX, i can laugh all i want ;-) |
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| 06:22.50 | cg0def | nvz: I just ran tzconfig and I really don't see what the problem is |
| 06:22.52 | kruzi | jm: everytime i add a url it locks up |
| 06:22.57 | nvz | Skaag: heh |
| 06:23.00 | kruzi | i dont know what i can be doing wrong |
| 06:23.00 | kruzi | heh |
| 06:23.13 | jm_ | kruzi: in Sarge? |
| 06:23.18 | kruzi | fedora. |
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| 06:23.23 | boow | slack is my main distro i guess when i get broadband i can switch or buy the cd's |
| 06:23.26 | nvz | Skaag: the thing asks me my country than in a very ugly way lists over 50 cities I never heard of |
| 06:23.27 | cg0def | nvz: first it ask you to enter the continent which is America/US (something like that) and then the time zone |
| 06:23.31 | jm_ | kruzi: try asking in #fedora then |
| 06:23.31 | CyzarX | chealer, i want to put my plugin to gaim plugin dir |
| 06:23.37 | BucWheat | thanks |
| 06:23.38 | CyzarX | where should i put it? |
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| 06:23.40 | CyzarX | i need the path |
| 06:23.42 | nvz | heh nick completion confusion |
| 06:23.52 | Skaag | nvz: maybe you should open a map ;-) |
| 06:24.20 | nvz | I see no "Central US" |
| 06:24.35 | Skaag | then linux advocates would say, linux makes you smarter and more aware of your environment |
| 06:24.52 | kruzi | jm: i dont think its the OS or anything to do with it |
| 06:25.01 | kruzi | i think its something im doing when adding the url |
| 06:25.09 | kruzi | im adding a http://www.mysite/dir/ |
| 06:25.20 | chealer | CyzarX: apparently /usr/lib/gaim/ |
| 06:25.30 | nvz | like they have denver and chicago |
| 06:25.43 | Skaag | i say pick one to begin with, like denver |
| 06:25.46 | nvz | isnt chicago in the same tz as new yourk city |
| 06:25.50 | Skaag | where are you in tx? |
| 06:25.52 | boow | only prob i had was that nv driver would not work with geforce 5200 had to use vesa but thats no big deal since this is not my main distro |
| 06:25.57 | nvz | Skaag: does it matter? |
| 06:26.03 | nvz | Skaag: isnt tx all one timezone? |
| 06:26.08 | CyzarX | thanks chealer |
| 06:26.13 | Skaag | nvz: If tx spans more than one time zone, it probably does, no? |
| 06:26.24 | Skaag | if it's large enough |
| 06:26.27 | chealer | boow: you don't need/want 3D acceleration? |
| 06:26.33 | nvz | I thought there were only 3 tz on the whole contenetial US |
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| 06:26.43 | cg0def | boow: you have to manually install the nvidia driver if you want good performance |
| 06:26.50 | armbothism | I'm upgrading our firewall/gateway at work and was wondering if it's possible to get both the new and old gateways working together. |
| 06:26.52 | Skaag | no there are more |
| 06:26.54 | karsten | nvz: 4 |
| 06:27.08 | boow | well i have all that already installed in slackware |
| 06:27.23 | Skaag | india for example has just one, even though it deserves around 2 to 3 |
| 06:27.25 | cg0def | boow: much more that slack |
| 06:27.29 | karsten | nvz: Eastern, Central, Mountin, Pacific. Plus AK & HI |
| 06:27.31 | lawnchair | i like statues |
| 06:27.35 | Skaag | i find it a bit funny |
| 06:27.39 | armbothism | The main issue for me is to have emails work through both gateways to the same server |
| 06:27.39 | karsten | Skaag: China's got 1. |
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| 06:27.57 | Skaag | we have barely one |
| 06:27.58 | karsten | Skaag: IIRC, Russia's got 8. |
| 06:28.11 | Skaag | well russia is huge, plus they like things big |
| 06:28.14 | nvz | karsten: well I am in central, but my tz is currently EST I want to change it.. I thought tzconfig would let me just change it to Central, but its making this a freakin geography quiz |
| 06:28.25 | Skaag | lots of vodka, lots of women, plenty of time zones! |
| 06:28.37 | armbothism | I've tried sending email through the new gateway but the return packets seem to go out the existing gateway and hence delivery fails |
| 06:28.54 | armbothism | any ideas? |
| 06:28.56 | nvz | I need to change it so when I run ntpdate shit will be right |
| 06:29.31 | boow | i usually keep one distro an experiment with others i haven't installed im triplple booting right now |
| 06:29.35 | rj__ | i'am fixing todo a dist-upgrade from testing to unstable, are there any problems i should be aware of? This is a fresh install of testing. |
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| 06:29.46 | nvz | ntp knows the right time, my system however thinks its in EST and says its an hour later than it actually is |
| 06:29.50 | rj__ | havent even rebooted yet :) |
| 06:29.55 | jm_ | kruzi: how come it works in Sarge then? |
| 06:29.57 | ANDRES | hello |
| 06:29.58 | rj__ | tzconfig |
| 06:30.06 | armbothism | anyone? |
| 06:30.09 | nvz | yeah I am bitching about tzconfig ;) |
| 06:30.18 | nvz | its a damn geography test |
| 06:30.19 | rj__ | weird :/ |
| 06:30.28 | dondelelcaro | nvz: is tzconfig set right? is TZ set right? is /etc/default/rcS set right? |
| 06:30.30 | nvz | should just have the GMT Timezones |
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| 06:30.45 | ANDRES | how do i conect a logitech camera to a debian system? |
| 06:30.46 | Skaag | use tzsetup instead, then |
| 06:30.57 | boow | your pc must be set to utc instead of local time |
| 06:31.31 | nvz | dondelelcaro: I just want to change my timezone from EST to CST I thought I was suppose to run this tzconfig which turns out to be a freaking /usr/games/geography-quiz |
| 06:31.40 | boow | set it to local time if in us then it will sync with your bios clock |
| 06:31.40 | dondelelcaro | nvz: heh. |
| 06:31.54 | dondelelcaro | nvz: well, it's kind of necessary, because some parts of CST don't do daylight savings time |
| 06:31.57 | ANDRES | boooo! |
| 06:32.06 | nvz | dondelelcaro: oh. |
| 06:32.09 | armbothism | can anyone help with my ?routing? question? |
| 06:32.29 | ANDRES | how do i conect a logitech camera to a debian system? |
| 06:32.34 | chealer | ANDRES: depends which camera. usually USB |
| 06:32.38 | chealer | !repeat |
| 06:32.38 | dpkg | from memory, repeat is if nobody answers your question, don't just repeat it. Spamming the channel and getting ignored/banned/silenced isn't going to get a faster answer; spamming is a function of time. More likely, nobody knows the answer (/msg dpkg ask), or you need to provide more information (/msg apt sicco)), or ask about "smart questions" |
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| 06:32.58 | nvz | dondelelcaro: well I am in Lake-Dallas, to the north is Denton, to the south is Lewisville, Dallas, Fort Worth..etc and none of em are in there I have no idea |
| 06:33.02 | boow | so if i want to upgrade to sarge do i just change my apt sources to testing |
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| 06:34.00 | Enflam3D_89 | hello |
| 06:34.07 | Enflam3D_89 | i need some help |
| 06:34.12 | karsten | boow: Yes. |
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| 06:34.20 | karsten | !tell Enflam3D_89 about ask |
| 06:34.29 | ANDRES | hey |
| 06:34.34 | ANDRES | can you c me? |
| 06:34.41 | chealer | ANDRES: yes |
| 06:34.43 | armbothism | ciao for now then :-) |
| 06:34.44 | Enflam3D_89 | karsten: thank you :) |
| 06:34.44 | ANDRES | sorry |
| 06:34.47 | ANDRES | thanks |
| 06:34.53 | chealer | ANDRES: you don't need to repeat ;) |
| 06:34.57 | karsten | ANDRES: /msg dpkg test |
| 06:35.07 | dondelelcaro | karsten: fail |
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| 06:35.09 | ANDRES | thanks |
| 06:35.10 | boow | weird this mozilla chat responds kind of slow on my system |
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| 06:35.24 | ANDRES | now how do i connect that logitech camera? |
| 06:35.31 | karsten | dondelelcaro: Thank you. |
| 06:35.37 | Enflam3D_89 | i just installed Sarge, and I can't set resolution higher than 800x600, and text looks real crap. I'm guessing a need a new graphics driver, or need to change the existing one. how do i do this? (i have an ATI Radeon 9600XT, by the way) |
| 06:35.47 | chealer | ANDRES: it depends which camera, what port it uses |
| 06:35.52 | ANDRES | usb |
| 06:36.01 | karsten | !tell Enflam3D_89 about radeon |
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| 06:36.15 | chealer | ANDRES: plug it in the USB port then |
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| 06:36.25 | ANDRES | and? |
| 06:36.25 | Enflam3D_89 | karsten: thanks once again :) |
| 06:36.34 | karsten | Enflam3D_89: You can probably increase your screen res. IIRC, Radeon is binary-only drivers. Don't buy proprietary HW. |
| 06:36.37 | karsten | Enflam3D_89: Np. |
| 06:36.53 | chealer | ANDRES: then your camera will be connected |
| 06:36.53 | boow | i think ill try nvidia driver im running kernel 2.4.18-bf2.4 |
| 06:36.53 | karsten | Enflam3D_89: ...though a lot of people have that kit, should work out. |
| 06:37.12 | chealer | !tell boow about nvidia |
| 06:37.14 | ANDRES | yes very nice but how do i know it is working? |
| 06:37.42 | Enflam3D_89 | karsten: my next video card will be Nvidia for sure. i bought this card back when I was still using windows :( |
| 06:37.44 | karsten | ANDRES: I don't suppose you tried googling <camera brand> linux at any point. |
| 06:37.55 | ANDRES | u suppose right |
| 06:38.02 | karsten | Enflam3D_89: Nvidia's worse. Actually, from the factoid, Radeon should be ok. |
| 06:38.06 | ANDRES | i guess ill do that and then come back to ask |
| 06:38.10 | ANDRES | thanks anyway |
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| 06:38.27 | Azar | karsten, I am trying my hard but the installation of nvidia-kernel-common is hiddens somewhere I am not able to find it and move it in /usr/src to work with |
| 06:38.32 | karsten | Enflam3D_89: Kernel developer I know signs mails with "guess it's time to break the nvidia drivers again" (by upgrading the kernel). |
| 06:38.34 | Enflam3D_89 | karsten: i heard Nvidia had good linux drivers :( |
| 06:38.38 | Azar | and the module-assistant will fail the installation |
| 06:38.42 | karsten | Azar: I know *zip* about nvidia. |
| 06:38.55 | boow | thanks for tips going to bed now |
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| 06:39.00 | Azar | karsten where can I find a file in the system, I mean HOW? |
| 06:39.02 | Enflam3D_89 | karsten: i will now install these drivers, ttyl :) |
| 06:39.04 | karsten | Enflam3D_89: They've got binary-only drivers. They're pretty good at performance, but a bitch to configure. Or deal with around kernel updates. |
| 06:39.09 | chealer | Azar: dpkg -L nvidia-kernel-common |
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| 06:39.17 | Azar | thanks chealer |
| 06:39.19 | karsten | Azar: 'locate <filename>' if your locatedb's current. |
| 06:39.21 | Skaag | how do I remove postgresql data safely? |
| 06:39.25 | karsten | Enflam3D_89: NP. |
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| 06:39.49 | ANDRES | how do i recover data from a dead hd? |
| 06:40.39 | chealer | Azar: how does module-assistant fail exactly? |
| 06:40.46 | Azar | karsten chealer did it, LOCATE gives an unknown file |
| 06:41.00 | karsten | Azar: OK. |
| 06:41.04 | nvz | ANDRES: considering the fact harddrives are not living devices.. to say ones dead I would have to assume means you cannot any longer recover data, which is why you called it dead |
| 06:41.05 | chealer | Azar: I didn't talk to you about LOCATE |
| 06:41.10 | karsten | ANDRES: From your backups. |
| 06:41.10 | yxa | can anybody else reach 203.125.237.155? |
| 06:41.23 | oR|hilikus | you might want to look into this more on google, but put it in a few air tight freezer bags and put it in the fridge over night and it can give you like an hour to backup ur data before it dies again |
| 06:41.31 | mankeletor | I go to sleep, here (Argentina) is 3:38AM |
| 06:41.39 | ANDRES | it always amezeme the solutions u guys give here to problems |
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| 06:41.45 | mankeletor | goodbye 2 all |
| 06:41.49 | oR|hilikus | i heard it on The screen savers |
| 06:42.03 | karsten | yxa: mtr shows a routing loop at 165.21.95.185 |
| 06:42.13 | Azar | chealer it popped up a screen saying nvidia-kernel-source failed! How do you wish to proceed? View (not working) Continue (not working) Stop gets me out of there |
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| 06:42.32 | Enflam3D_89 | karsten: there HAS to be a simpler way than this! all the other distros i've tried, my graphics have worked fine |
| 06:42.32 | yxa | karsten yeah. what do you guess have happened? |
| 06:42.36 | chealer | Azar: no log? |
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| 06:42.43 | karsten | yxa: Someone fucked their routing table. |
| 06:42.44 | in\exhale | how do I fix the keymap? Something wrong, when caps lock is on a types S, s types D etc |
| 06:42.50 | Azar | it said to look at the log but the log is non-existent |
| 06:42.51 | karsten | yxa: Suggest you call .185's op. |
| 06:42.57 | Azar | at the location it gives me in /var |
| 06:43.03 | nvz | oR|hilikus: I think you heard it on ER and thats what to do when you cut your finger off |
| 06:43.07 | yxa | karsten they denied :) |
| 06:43.18 | karsten | yxa: Send 'em a screenshot from mtr. |
| 06:43.28 | chealer | Azar: can you comment if you're experiencing http://bugs.debian.org/cgi-bin/bugreport.cgi?bug=290837 ? |
| 06:43.32 | Azar | the /var/cache/modass/nvidia-kernel-source*buildlog* does not exist |
| 06:43.35 | nvz | keep a broke hd on ice to preserve it.. heh |
| 06:43.35 | karsten | yxa: It looks screwy starting at ge-0-3-0.plapx-cr3.ix.singtel.com |
| 06:43.38 | nvz | thats funny |
| 06:43.45 | Azar | chealer I wish to , sure |
| 06:43.48 | karsten | nvz: It frequently works. |
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| 06:44.03 | PR- | how can i pass the options to modconf? |
| 06:44.13 | karsten | PR-: man modconf |
| 06:44.13 | oR|hilikus | nvz: actually, i read I am reading it from an article on PCWorld.com |
| 06:44.25 | chealer | Azar: use " Build manually, with a stock kernel." to workaround |
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| 06:44.52 | karsten | yxa: http://linuxmafia.com/~karsten/mtr-fucked |
| 06:45.01 | karsten | yxa: Textfile shows MTR output. |
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| 06:45.51 | yxa | karsten yeah. i'm geographically near and i too is stucked in that loop |
| 06:46.09 | Azar | yeah chealer I think that is what I will do now the only thing is ... my nvidia download was spread all over several directories |
| 06:46.12 | Azar | very strange |
| 06:46.13 | karsten | yxa: I'd bitch at Singtel or your local NANOG equivalent in search of clue. |
| 06:46.35 | PR- | i need to pass this options to saa7134 module, tda9887 port1=0 port2=1 |
| 06:46.50 | chealer | Azar: what do you mean your nvidia download, the manual install directly from nvidia.com? |
| 06:46.51 | karsten | yxa: If that's a major enough route, drop a copy of that trace to The Inquirer or The Register. They love outing idiot operations. |
| 06:47.04 | karsten | PR-: And you've read the modconf manpage like we told you? |
| 06:47.22 | PR- | i don't understand de man |
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| 06:47.34 | karsten | PR-: Suggest you start learning. |
| 06:47.58 | yxa | karsten prob not major. but i'll do it just for the stupid customer service people |
| 06:48.42 | karsten | yxa: You might try Googling some tech Usenet groups looking for singtel addresses and send to them directly. More likely to find clue. |
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| 06:50.50 | PR- | i need to pass this options to saa7134 module, tda9887 port1=0 port2=1, can anybody help me? |
| 06:51.44 | jm_ | doesn't modconf even ask you for module parameters when you select one of the modules? |
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| 06:52.22 | PR- | yes, can i just write there tda9887 port1=0 port2=1 |
| 06:52.32 | Hiryu | bob2, you there? |
| 06:52.41 | bob2 | depends |
| 06:53.08 | jm_ | so what's your problem then? |
| 06:53.13 | Hiryu | bob2, does alpha centauri multiplayer not work for you too? |
| 06:53.24 | Hiryu | bob2, :) |
| 06:53.25 | bob2 | Hiryu: never tried |
| 06:53.35 | bob2 | Hiryu: I never knew anyone who played it |
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| 06:53.42 | Hiryu | bob2, ah... I've been unable to get it working, I guess it's just too old |
| 06:53.54 | Hiryu | bob2, I have friends who do so I was going to try it with them tonight |
| 06:53.57 | bob2 | or the protocol's incompatible with windows |
| 06:53.58 | cafuego | Hiryu: That may depends on if you have the WinXP patches for it installed. |
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| 06:54.05 | Hiryu | bob2, nope |
| 06:54.07 | bob2 | which I vaguely remember hearing it did |
| 06:54.12 | Hiryu | bob2, the game crashes when you select multiplayer |
| 06:54.19 | bob2 | I thought the protocol depended on directx? |
| 06:54.21 | Hiryu | bob2, think it's some glibc issue |
| 06:54.22 | bob2 | oh, hahaha |
| 06:54.33 | bob2 | I think I installed it in a woody chroot |
| 06:54.38 | Hiryu | bob2, I know for a fact that it works with windows multiplayer, when it actually works |
| 06:54.46 | bob2 | Hiryu: did you find a legal copy? |
| 06:54.48 | bob2 | Hiryu: oh, cool |
| 06:54.57 | Hiryu | bob2, Nope :(, apparently it's a really sought after linux game |
| 06:54.58 | bob2 | I do now have a friend who is obsessed with it |
| 06:55.08 | bob2 | yeah, I think I bought the last copy in the UK |
| 06:55.14 | Hiryu | crazy |
| 06:55.16 | PR- | i put in the options card=26 and in dmesg shows bt878: Unknown parameter `card' |
| 06:55.18 | bob2 | which is impressive since I'm in Australia |
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| 06:55.24 | Hiryu | haha |
| 06:55.37 | jm_ | so it means it has no such option, modinfo will tell you the options it knows |
| 06:55.38 | cafuego | bob2: The windows version has a specific patch, which chnges the multiplayer protocol (I fetched and installed it earlier today). If the Linux one doesn't have it, it may not work with Windows ones. |
| 06:55.39 | Hiryu | will older releases of glibc work with a 2.6 kernel? |
| 06:55.41 | bob2 | bleh, now I wanna play it again |
| 06:55.46 | bob2 | cafuego: ooooh |
| 06:55.46 | cafuego | s/bob2/Hiryu |
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| 06:55.50 | bob2 | Hiryu: yeah |
| 06:55.54 | Hiryu | cafuego, ah |
| 06:55.59 | bob2 | Hiryu: but that is such a fucking huge pain in the arse |
| 06:56.04 | bob2 | ie reinstalling woody |
| 06:56.06 | cafuego | Well, I was playing Alien Crossfire, but same deal. |
| 06:56.12 | bob2 | make a chroot if you think it will help |
| 06:56.13 | Hiryu | bob2, that's not what I had in mind |
| 06:56.20 | bob2 | oh |
| 06:56.45 | Hiryu | bob2, maybe I could compile and put the libs into like... /usr/oldlib and tell that particular program to use the libs in that directory |
| 06:56.46 | bob2 | cafuego: get your AC CD. scribble "linux version" on it. sell it on ebay for $5000. come to LCA. |
| 06:56.52 | bob2 | oh, profit, too. |
| 06:56.56 | bob2 | Hiryu: hah |
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| 06:56.58 | Hiryu | bob2, that's a lot of work for one game though |
| 06:57.09 | cafuego | bob2: <ha> |
| 06:57.17 | bob2 | Hiryu: well, I had a full woody chroot to play it in, so I'm still geekier than you ;) |
| 06:57.20 | Hiryu | cafuego, so you have the game for linux? |
| 06:57.29 | cafuego | bob2: Speaking of Sid, Civ 4 is due out soonish-ish |
| 06:57.29 | bob2 | I wonder if civ3 works in wine |
| 06:57.31 | Hiryu | bob2, apparently :) |
| 06:57.33 | bob2 | that was a fun game too |
| 06:57.38 | cafuego | bob2: It does, yes. |
| 06:57.39 | Enflam3D_89 | karsten: argh |
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| 06:57.45 | bob2 | cafuego: well? |
| 06:57.47 | cafuego | if you run on ia32 |
| 06:57.51 | Enflam3D_89 | karsten: this isn't going well at all |
| 06:57.57 | bob2 | I feel kinda stupid for buying windows games now I don't have a windows machine |
| 06:57.58 | karsten | Enflam3D_89: Talk to me. |
| 06:57.59 | bob2 | woo |
| 06:58.10 | karsten | !taunt bob2 |
| 06:58.20 | bob2 | blah |
| 06:58.25 | bob2 | if it does work, I'm so going to get fired |
| 06:58.27 | Enflam3D_89 | karsten: well it's just too complex really |
| 06:58.41 | bob2 | cafuego: let me once again direct hate at you and your amd64. |
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| 06:58.44 | cafuego | bob2: well what? |
| 06:58.54 | Enflam3D_89 | karsten: when I installed other distros such as mepis, my graphics already work. here i have to do all this shit, all i want is working graphics |
| 06:58.56 | bob2 | cafuego: "does it work well?" |
| 06:59.03 | jm_ | cafuego: which CPU do you have? |
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| 06:59.08 | Hiryu | Enflam3D_89, then use mepis |
| 06:59.10 | karsten | Enflam3D_89: dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xfree86. |
| 06:59.11 | cafuego | bob2: Don't get yourself fired and spend the next wages on an amd64 |
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| 06:59.25 | bob2 | hahaha |
| 06:59.27 | cafuego | bob2: cov3? yeah.. i played it under WineX and it worked just dandy. |
| 06:59.37 | Enflam3D_89 | Hiryu: I switched from Mepis and downloaded 500MB to try out actual debian. i'm not giving up |
| 06:59.40 | karsten | bob2: What game? |
| 06:59.40 | Enflam3D_89 | karsten: thanks |
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| 07:00.39 | bob2 | cafuego: bah winex. |
| 07:00.39 | Hiryu | Enflam3D_89, aside from some of the initial stuff, there's not much difference, I've been using debian for years and tried out mepis |
| 07:00.39 | bob2 | I'm not giving money to transgaming. |
| 07:00.39 | cafuego | bob2: Cheaper then a copy of Windows. |
| 07:00.39 | Enflam3D_89 | karsten: ok, so i just select fglrx from the list? |
| 07:00.39 | bob2 | karsten: alpha centauri/civ3. |
| 07:00.39 | bob2 | cafuego: yeah, true |
| 07:00.39 | Enflam3D_89 | bob2: just use a pirate copy of Cedega |
| 07:00.39 | bob2 | tho IBM already paid for a copy on this one |
| 07:00.52 | karsten | Enflam3D_89: Not sure, but if that's the deal... |
| 07:01.00 | bob2 | actually, I deleted the restore partition on this laptop |
| 07:01.01 | Enflam3D_89 | karsten: i shall try iy |
| 07:01.02 | karsten | bob2: That's Civilization? |
| 07:01.10 | bob2 | so I don't actually have a copy anywhere of the copy that came with it |
| 07:01.10 | karsten | bob2: ...or "Civilisation" as you'd put it? |
| 07:01.16 | bob2 | karsten: hah, indeedy |
| 07:01.29 | cafuego | bob2: Ever loaded the "sid" faction in SMAC faction editor? :-) |
| 07:01.32 | bob2 | and I lost my civ2 cd |
| 07:01.33 | karsten | bob2: FreeCiv, dude, all the way. |
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| 07:01.49 | Enflam3D_89 | karsten: "Please enter the video card's bus identifier." I have no idea what it is |
| 07:01.53 | cafuego | karsten: No, no. Sid Meyer deserves your money. He is god. |
| 07:01.54 | bob2 | karsten: hm, maybe I should try it again..last time I tried it was too...unpolished to get into it |
| 07:01.55 | karsten | Enflam3D_89: <enter> |
| 07:01.58 | bob2 | superficial, I know. |
| 07:02.05 | karsten | cafuego: WTF is Sid Meyer? |
| 07:02.05 | bob2 | Enflam3D_89: leave it blank |
| 07:02.09 | bob2 | cafuego: hah, no |
| 07:02.14 | bob2 | cafuego: University 4 eva. |
| 07:02.15 | cafuego | karsten: The inventor of Civ* |
| 07:02.16 | Enflam3D_89 | karsten: understood |
| 07:02.25 | Hiryu | the problem with cedega is that it really works so.... poorly |
| 07:02.31 | Hiryu | I'm not sure why I'm even still subscribed |
| 07:02.35 | karsten | Enflam3D_89: bus ID, memory, all that jazz, you can skip. The menu prompts should suggest that's OK. |
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| 07:02.52 | bratner | i'looking for NWFS (netware fs) kernel module for my debian box, didn't have to much luck finding anything. anyone knows if there are actual NWFS modules available? |
| 07:02.56 | Enflam3D_89 | karsten: alright then :) |
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| 07:03.14 | peterS | bratner: one used to exist, a very long time ago. from timpanogas research group. I doubt it has been maintained since then. |
| 07:03.16 | Enflam3D_89 | karsten: what is the PS/2 mouse port? |
| 07:03.24 | Enflam3D_89 | karsten: e.g. /dev/psaux, etc |
| 07:03.26 | bob2 | bah, ssh is limited by the cpu of my fileserver |
| 07:03.30 | karsten | Enflam3D_89: The things that matter are your driver, depth (24-32), resolution, and "monitor capabilities", which you usually have to guess at. |
| 07:03.42 | Enflam3D_89 | karsten: ^^ |
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| 07:03.44 | Enflam3D_89 | karsten: what is the PS/2 mouse port? |
| 07:03.45 | peterS | bob2: heh. make sure you're using cipher 'arcfour', that's the easiest on the CPU |
| 07:03.46 | Enflam3D_89 | karsten: e.g. /dev/psaux, etc |
| 07:03.50 | Skaag | i am loading two identical kernels/initrd files on two machines over nfs, one gives me QM_MODULES: function not implemented, while the other box works fine with modules... what gives?! |
| 07:03.51 | karsten | Enflam3D_89: /dev/psaux for PS2, /dev/<something>/mice for USB. |
| 07:03.52 | byronsalty | #join python |
| 07:03.54 | Enflam3D_89 | karsten: tah |
| 07:03.57 | Enflam3D_89 | karsten: *ta |
| 07:04.10 | peterS | karsten: /dev/input/mice |
| 07:04.12 | bob2 | peterS: hm, I usually go with blowfish |
| 07:04.14 | jm_ | bratner: is that different then ncpfs? |
| 07:04.17 | bob2 | Skaag: /msg dpkg qm_modules |
| 07:04.21 | karsten | peterS: That's it. |
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| 07:39.15 | c-yco | anyone here with experiences with bttv ? |
| 07:39.41 | Tabitha | c-yco: Oh yes.. it has reliably not worked for me for a good two months. |
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| 07:39.55 | mousex | c-yco: a little bit . . . what's your question? |
| 07:39.59 | Tabitha | c-yco: I think it has something to do with my outdated ati aiw. |
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| 07:40.18 | Smurg | I need help with X11, how do i start it up? when i say xinit, all i see is a grey background with an X mouse |
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| 07:40.32 | Tabitha | Smurg: startx (I think) |
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| 07:40.43 | Smurg | well, its the same |
| 07:40.50 | mousex | Smurg: have you installed any window managers? |
| 07:40.56 | Tabitha | gdm/kde? |
| 07:40.57 | Smurg | i have xdm |
| 07:40.58 | c-yco | i have here an old videoconferencing card and it seems that modprobe bttv works but i have no /dev/video0 device wich xawtv tries to use |
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| 07:41.20 | Tabitha | c-yco: That's exactly my problem. |
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| 07:41.32 | Tabitha | (well, the part about no /dev/video0) |
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| 07:42.06 | c-yco | and do you have a solution ? |
| 07:42.08 | Smurg | well? |
| 07:42.15 | Smurg | anyone help me with Xfree86? |
| 07:42.20 | Tabitha | c-yco: Nope. I was told to buy a new tuner card ;) |
| 07:42.28 | mousex | Tabitha, c-yco: Don't you guys need to install a specific driver besides bttv? or configure bttv? |
| 07:42.33 | Smurg | all i see is a grey screen when i say xinit, how do i set up icons and all |
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| 07:42.44 | lordurza | smurg you need to install a window manager |
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| 07:42.50 | mousex | Smurg: you probably need to install gnome, kde or a window manager |
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| 07:42.55 | c-yco | mousex how ? really new to linux |
| 07:42.59 | lordurza | Smurg: such as kde/gnome/blackbox fluxbox etc |
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| 07:43.08 | Tabitha | mousex: In my case it's an issue with the drivers and the particular ati card I have... you can either have direct rendering or tuner support... not both at the same time. |
| 07:43.09 | Smurg | lordurza : isnt xdm enough? |
| 07:43.20 | lordurza | Smurg: xmd is not a window manager |
| 07:43.26 | mousex | Smurg: xdm is only a "login" thingie |
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| 07:43.43 | lordurza | Smurg: its a session manager more or less such as KDM and GDM |
| 07:43.51 | mousex | Smurg: apt-get install xfce4 |
| 07:44.08 | Smurg | lordurza : I just downloaded X window system core ...( 50 MB or so), i have a bad net connection, so what window manager can i download |
| 07:44.11 | lordurza | Smurg: stands for display manager more or less session manager it is not a window manager XDM is just the session manager without a window manager your looking at plain X-Windows |
| 07:44.29 | Smurg | lordurza : yes i understand |
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| 07:44.30 | lordurza | Smurg: I would use blackbox or fluxbox for a small lite interface |
| 07:44.52 | Smurg | lordurza : so this X windowing system is just the base? |
| 07:44.59 | lordurza | Smurg: Yes |
| 07:45.15 | Smurg | lordurza : its nothing without the window managers |
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| 07:45.24 | mousex | c-yco: I don't remember, but you should search google for details on how to configure bttv, as well as the list of bttv supported hardware. |
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| 07:45.44 | kenboo | Smurg, do you have /etc/X11/xinit/xinitrc ? |
| 07:45.47 | Smurg | mousex : what is the xfce4 u were saying? |
| 07:45.48 | lordurza | Smurg: I wouldnt say nothing you can do everything from it including write your own window manager but it is not the easiest things to do nor the priestest eye candy =] |
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| 07:46.15 | mousex | Smurg: xfce4 is a light window manager + file manager + desktop environment |
| 07:46.21 | mousex | !xfce4 |
| 07:46.21 | dpkg | i guess xfce4 is see xfce |
| 07:46.24 | mousex | !xfce |
| 07:46.24 | dpkg | rumour has it, xfce is a pretty nifty Desktop Environment. Lightweight, fast, compact. http://www.xfce.org/ . apt-get install xfce |
| 07:46.27 | Smurg | lordurza : lol here i am trying to set up a window manager and im supposed to write one :) |
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| 07:46.30 | c-yco | the card is not supported but the chip on card is a brooktree |
| 07:46.45 | lordurza | Smurg: You can open and run multiple windows etc etc all from the generic X Interface but without a window manager it wont have all the spiffy tabbing and so forth that a window manager can provide |
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| 07:47.04 | Smurg | lordurza : OH now i understand |
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| 07:47.06 | farphadet | Hello all |
| 07:47.11 | linux-rulz | i recommend compiling xfce....there are graphical installers that compile it for you, you get the latest and greatest....or has it already been packaged for debian (i am on my windows comp)? |
| 07:47.14 | mousex | c-yco: have you read the xawtv docs? |
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| 07:47.23 | Smurg | lordurza : anyways how do i open multiple windows on X? |
| 07:47.24 | lordurza | Smurg: TWM is a very small lite one u could prob get for under a mb or so |
| 07:47.25 | c-yco | trying if knoppix recognizes the card |
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| 07:47.32 | mousex | linux-rulz: it's debianized |
| 07:47.33 | c-yco | not yet |
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| 07:47.40 | Smurg | lordurza : How big is xfc? |
| 07:47.42 | Tabitha | c-yco: I think before fiddling with bttv, etc. you need to have /dev/video0 ;) |
| 07:47.46 | lordurza | Smurg: Not sure |
| 07:47.56 | Smurg | mousex : How big is xfc? |
| 07:48.00 | c-yco | yeah i think that's the problem |
| 07:48.00 | linux-rulz | Smurg: what do you mean multiple windows....like multiple virtual sessions? |
| 07:48.04 | Tabitha | c-yco: It's my impression that it's a driver issue. |
| 07:48.06 | lordurza | Smurg: but you can open applications to the window from the console such as application :0 |
| 07:48.10 | mousex | Smurg: not sure. check http://packages.debian.org |
| 07:48.12 | Smurg | linux-rulz : yeah sorta |
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| 07:48.37 | linux-rulz | Smurg: where each user would have their own environment, kinda like fast user switching in windows xp? |
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| 07:48.50 | lordurza | Smurg: but without a window manager to setup moving of windows and tabbing they will over lap each other and u wont be able to move them meaning ud have to place them on the window it self with cords pain in the a@@ |
| 07:48.50 | Smurg | mousex : im totally barebones i dont have any graphical software installed |
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| 07:49.22 | cafuego | Hiryu: Well, Alpha Centauri (Win) installs just fine under cedega in a 32bit Sarge chroot :-) |
| 07:49.23 | Tabitha | gui's are for wimps ;) |
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| 07:49.25 | Smurg | linux-rulz : not that, something like opening multiple terminals on the same X screen ( the screen thingy with the grey background_ |
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| 07:49.52 | mousex | Smurg: xfce ~ 4MB |
| 07:49.58 | mousex | (the core package) |
| 07:50.01 | cafuego | I think I do need to get xorg running in the chroot, though. xfree86 isn't liking talking to xorg. |
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| 07:50.03 | linux-rulz | Smurg: I don't know if you can do that, i think you need a window manager....try blackbox or fluxbox...both are very lightweighr |
| 07:50.06 | Guerin | the only thing I need a gui for is web |
| 07:50.10 | linux-rulz | *lightweight |
| 07:50.10 | runningman | anyone know why my jfs_fsck isn't being triggered when I'm booting after a crash? |
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| 07:50.29 | Guerin | Smurg: ratpoison \sounds like just the ticket for you |
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| 07:50.45 | Smurg | mousex & linux-rulz: ok last question : XFC or Fluxbox? and what is the apt-get command for them? |
| 07:51.00 | Guerin | both xfce and flux do way more than it sounds like you want |
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| 07:51.02 | runningman | I have a jfs filesystem on an lvm logical volume, and if I have to hard reset the box (due to other flakyness) the filesystem doesn't get remounted, (fails with bad subblock et al) |
| 07:51.06 | lordurza | Smurg: get blackbox its minimal and easy to use and small |
| 07:51.11 | linux-rulz | xfce is a desktop environment, more resource hungry, but much less so than gnome/kde...fluxbox is much more basic and fast |
| 07:51.14 | linux-rulz | depends on ur needs |
| 07:51.18 | lordurza | Smurg: TWM is even smaller of course |
| 07:51.24 | runningman | but once it's up, I can do a jfs_fsck on the volume, and then remount, and it's fine. |
| 07:51.27 | directhex | dpkg, xfce is also xfce4 is newer, sexier, but still lightweight - apt-get install xfce4 |
| 07:51.27 | dpkg | directhex: okay |
| 07:51.28 | Guerin | ratpoison is enforced-fullscreen and you use keys similarly to screen to get around |
| 07:51.34 | Smurg | linux-rulz : I want to use Linux as I use windows XP |
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| 07:51.36 | runningman | and rebooting normally is fine too. |
| 07:51.48 | mousex | Smurg: XFCE4 will be easier to use for you. apt-get install xfce4 |
| 07:52.07 | Smurg | Ok ill go for Xfce4 |
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| 07:52.16 | mousex | Smurg: like winXP? KDE, but it's huge! |
| 07:52.30 | linux-rulz | Smurg: what do you mean by that? kde/gnome are best for comparing to winxp |
| 07:52.33 | Smurg | mousex : I know i cant download kde, im on DIal up :) |
| 07:52.42 | Smurg | im on dial-up! hooray! |
| 07:52.43 | linux-rulz | Smurg: avoid gnome too then |
| 07:52.53 | linux-rulz | Smurg: fluxbox definately then |
| 07:53.05 | Smurg | linux-rulz : well I can download upto 20 MB |
| 07:53.08 | Guerin | ratpoison!!!1 |
| 07:53.10 | mousex | Smurg: you can always order Debian CD's over the Internet; they're cheap in most places. |
| 07:53.19 | mousex | <$10 |
| 07:53.33 | linux-rulz | Smurg: xfce is bigger than that i believe....ud have to check though, type in apt-get install xfce4 and it will tell you how much it is going to download |
| 07:53.47 | mousex | Guerin: I don't like ratpoison :( |
| 07:53.48 | Guerin | xfce4 =~ 40MB |
| 07:53.50 | runningman | (only rats eat ratpoison) |
| 07:54.02 | runningman | (and then they DIE) |
| 07:54.03 | Guerin | mousex: it's not mousexpoison |
| 07:54.04 | farphadet | I' m young french debian's user |
| 07:54.10 | Smurg | linux-rulz : Ok if not xfce4 what else? how about apt-get install fluxbox ?? is that right? |
| 07:54.14 | mousex | Guerin: lol -- :) |
| 07:54.18 | linux-rulz | i believe so yes |
| 07:54.21 | farphadet | I don't speak very well english |
| 07:54.31 | directhex | Guerin, the xfce4 mousie is a mousie. is he immune to ratpoison? |
| 07:54.36 | mousex | farphadet: /join #debian-fr |
| 07:54.36 | Tabitha | !fr |
| 07:54.37 | dpkg | Les personnes qui parlent francais et qui ont besoin d'une aide a propos de Debian peuvent venir sur #debian-fr - People speaking french and in need of support for debian, please join #debian-fr |
| 07:54.38 | directhex | !fr |
| 07:54.44 | directhex | curse you Tabitha |
| 07:54.46 | Smurg | what about the command for installing blackbox/fluxbox |
| 07:54.48 | idnar | heh |
| 07:54.51 | Smurg | apt-get install ___________ ? |
| 07:54.55 | Guerin | directhex: the ratpoison on ym box killed mine :( |
| 07:54.55 | farphadet | #debian-fr is not serious |
| 07:55.08 | linux-rulz | Smurg: probably fluxbox and blackbox...try them and see |
| 07:55.10 | mousex | farphadet: what do you mean "not serious?" |
| 07:55.11 | directhex | Guerin, nooooooo, mousie! :( |
| 07:55.17 | Smurg | thanks all |
| 07:55.21 | runningman | only BURT BRONSON IS SERIOUS |
| 07:55.36 | Tabitha | farphadet: it just looks serious in here because you can't understand a word of what we're talking about ;) |
| 07:56.02 | directhex | Tabitha, and the rest of us can? |
| 07:56.05 | runningman | (when really, we're gossiping about how to catch rats, and optimal methods of sauteeing them with garlic and olive oil) |
| 07:56.12 | mousex | Smurg: like I said, xfce4 will prove much easier to use for you . . . . apt-get install xfce4 |
| 07:56.22 | directhex | mousex, he ran away |
| 07:56.29 | farphadet | I understant what you say |
| 07:56.30 | mousex | Tabitha: that's not nice |
| 07:56.35 | farphadet | *understand |
| 07:56.39 | mousex | directhex: yeah, I see that now |
| 07:56.42 | runningman | anyone around with JFS and LVM or shall I come back in a few hours? |
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| 07:57.22 | mousex | runningman: try an HP-UX chat . . . |
| 07:57.40 | Tabitha | mousex: Well I do try :D |
| 07:57.58 | runningman | mousex: I'll probably go back to the myth users before hpux users actually :) |
| 07:58.01 | idnar | mousex: he's gone |
| 07:58.18 | runningman | just thought it might actually be something more related to general fsck setup than jfs per se |
| 07:58.38 | runningman | my ext3 partition fscks normally and comes up fine after a hard reset, |
| 07:58.38 | mousex | farphadet: :) |
| 07:58.42 | runningman | the jfs one doens't |
| 07:58.56 | mousex | idnar: who's gone? Smurg? yeah |
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| 07:59.10 | farphadet | But when I write I have an aproximative grammar and syntax |
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| 07:59.53 | wishie | is there a way to view/extract the files from a debian archive (.deb) from within windows ? |
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| 08:00.13 | farphadet | And I am a little longer than with my mother tongue |
| 08:00.18 | directhex | wishie, try and find unar for windows, maybe with cygwin |
| 08:00.38 | wishie | unar ? |
| 08:00.57 | mousex | runningman: when you see "xam" logged into this channel, talk to him; he knows a lot about hp-ux and its file systems |
| 08:01.13 | wishie | -Added Debian Package (*.deb) support (beta - extract only) <-- ooer, promising |
| 08:01.37 | farphadet | Believing that you will excuse me please |
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| 08:02.06 | mousex | farphadet: it's okay; you are not the only bad English speaker here :) |
| 08:02.16 | farphadet | thanks |
| 08:02.20 | mousex | (not that you're that bad) |
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| 08:02.53 | runningman | mousex: thanks |
| 08:03.03 | wishie | debian's xine package is going to be built against everything, isnt it ? as in, most options |
| 08:03.03 | farphadet | I'm not good either |
| 08:03.07 | mousex | has anyone here used boa-constructor, or programmed with wxPython? |
| 08:03.10 | mousex | runningman: :) |
| 08:03.19 | runningman | I've used wxperl if that counts |
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| 08:03.36 | runningman | I lurve it. |
| 08:03.46 | mousex | runningman: may I /msg you? |
| 08:03.46 | farphadet | i know wxwindows, but not wxpython |
| 08:03.53 | runningman | I'd love it more if I could work out how to get keyboard shortcuts for checkboxes without changing focus |
| 08:03.55 | runningman | yeah sure. |
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| 08:04.04 | runningman | wxwidgets! |
| 08:04.07 | runningman | not wxwindows |
| 08:04.13 | runningman | get with the program :) |
| 08:04.37 | mousex | actually, since farphadet also knows . . . how do I change properties of an object (wxstaticText) from within the same frame class/ |
| 08:05.13 | mousex | If I wanted to change the label, would I use: self.wxstaticText1.label = "blah" ??? |
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| 08:06.13 | runningman | I presume you mean something like this... |
| 08:06.15 | runningman | my $this = $class->SUPER::new(undef, -1, @_); |
| 08:06.15 | farphadet | Sorry, I cannot help you as much in detail |
| 08:06.23 | runningman | then oh. |
| 08:06.29 | runningman | for that sort of thing, then yeah. |
| 08:06.30 | mousex | because it doesn't seem to work; I call it from a left mouse up event |
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| 08:06.59 | mousex | new(...) would create a new object, thought. I want to modify an existing one. |
| 08:07.15 | runningman | hmm, actually, I don't have any static text that I change. |
| 08:07.18 | runningman | mine is all static :) |
| 08:07.25 | mousex | :) |
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| 08:07.48 | mousex | how about another text that you change somewhere? It should be similar . . . |
| 08:08.00 | mousex | txtboxes, txtinputs, etc. |
| 08:08.32 | runningman | ie, new textCtrl |
| 08:08.36 | runningman | then ->setEditable |
| 08:09.01 | mousex | oh, so I need to set them editable before I can modify their labels? |
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| 08:09.29 | runningman | well, this was for a text entry box, |
| 08:09.35 | runningman | so it was set editable for users to edit it. |
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| 08:09.46 | runningman | not sure if it applies to statictext, but hte docs should cover it. |
| 08:10.10 | mousex | where are the html docs? I can't find them in /usr/share/doc |
| 08:10.38 | mousex | ok |
| 08:10.51 | runningman | they are normally pretty good, |
| 08:10.58 | runningman | and for wxpython, they're normally more complete than for wxperl |
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| 08:11.09 | runningman | but you still need to read between the lines to get from c++ to either python or perl |
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| 08:11.42 | mousex | www.wxpython.org . . . who would have thought of that! |
| 08:11.45 | mousex | :) |
| 08:11.53 | runningman | not me :) |
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| 08:12.44 | runningman | just use setlabel |
| 08:13.01 | mousex | is setlabel a method? |
| 08:13.19 | runningman | http://www.lpthe.jussieu.fr/~zeitlin/wxWindows/docs/wxwin_wxstatictext.html#wxstatictextsetlabel |
| 08:13.29 | runningman | it's a method for all statictext objects |
| 08:13.48 | runningman | the docs are normally pretty good, and if you find yourself wanting to do something that isn't there. |
| 08:14.02 | runningman | it normally means that you don't really want to do it that way, and you need to reevaluate the way you are doing things. |
| 08:14.23 | mousex | that's an interesting perspective |
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| 08:15.35 | runningman | it's worked forme. |
| 08:15.47 | runningman | I refactored something pretty heavily after working myself into a deadend. |
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| 08:16.04 | runningman | and reread some overview of wx design docs and then it all fell into place pretty well. |
| 08:17.49 | mousex | ok, SetLabel doesn't work; but I'm thinking it's because I shouldn't define a function and implement it all inside the frame class. |
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| 08:18.18 | runningman | that I can't help you with. |
| 08:18.32 | mousex | thank, though; you still helped me a lot |
| 08:18.33 | runningman | but there are definitely odd things to deal with with where you define functions. |
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| 08:24.18 | flavius | l |
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| 08:28.18 | zignig | BLEH |
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| 08:28.45 | mousex | you guys must be really bored . . . |
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| 08:29.29 | lordurza | im having trouble with Mplayer using the gmplayer not being able to find the skin keeps saying no skin even when using the -skin flag to point it to the skin any help? |
| 08:29.33 | Guerin | I have one more hour of work, and it's my last day |
| 08:29.48 | Skaag | ever? |
| 08:29.49 | Guerin | and things are awkward |
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| 08:29.54 | Guerin | Skaag: for this job, yeah |
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| 08:30.02 | Skaag | ouch |
| 08:30.05 | Guerin | no |
| 08:30.07 | Guerin | not ouch |
| 08:30.10 | Skaag | goody? |
| 08:30.20 | Guerin | it's a good thing, it's just not going by quite quickly enough |
| 08:30.36 | Skaag | oh I know exactly what you mean |
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| 08:33.08 | amittp | what is the setup's name that debian uses for configuring system/services? how to invoke it again after debian is installed |
| 08:33.35 | mousex | dpkg-reconfigure --config package_name |
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| 08:34.26 | mousex | /etc/init.d/ also contains scripts for system services that you can edit |
| 08:34.29 | amittp | mousex: oh not the package configuration. The utility that setup runs to configure X, n setup pcmcia |
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| 08:34.58 | jm_ | X has its own debconf configuration |
| 08:34.58 | Backz | Can I trust on packages from unstable to do a simple webserver on my machine? |
| 08:35.03 | nikolas | i have a FOOTER.html and a HEADER.html on the first page of my site, how do i make it so the 2 files will be on every page on the server, no only the first |
| 08:35.14 | nikolas | i am using apache2 |
| 08:35.20 | zignig | Guerin: start annoying people, that will make the day go faster |
| 08:35.40 | mousex | dpkg-reconfigure --config xserver-common OR dpkg-reconfigure --config xfree86-common |
| 08:35.44 | Guerin | heh |
| 08:35.46 | mousex | amittp, dpkg-reconfigure --config xserver-common OR dpkg-reconfigure --config xfree86-common |
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| 08:36.20 | zignig | Guerin: get out the surly stick and start measuring how many times you hae to poke people with it before they ghet surley |
| 08:36.23 | mousex | nikolas: use SSI |
| 08:36.47 | mousex | Backz: if you're concerned about security, don't use unstable |
| 08:36.51 | nikolas | mousex: how do i do that ? |
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| 08:37.15 | mousex | nikolas: are you using PHP, perl, etc.? |
| 08:37.30 | mlewis00 | What is a good channel for questions about pc hardware? |
| 08:37.49 | nikolas | mousex: no |
| 08:37.58 | mousex | nikolas: or to make it simpler, use a framset (HTML) |
| 08:38.02 | mousex | frameset |
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| 08:38.27 | amittp | mousex: that is for doing individual package... I am taking about the setup utility that brings up the dialog menus - language, keyboard.. blah blah. I overlooked its name just before quitting install. |
| 08:38.30 | Backz | mousex: oh... but, I use this computer as desktop too... |
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| 08:39.19 | nikolas | mousex: i don't understand, i just want all pages in the directory do look like the first one... |
| 08:39.19 | mousex | Backz: in that case, don't worry; use unstable |
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| 08:40.04 | mousex | nikolas: you split the pages into three frames. In the first one, you use the header.html file; i nthe second one, your actual page; and in the third one, the footer.html |
| 08:41.07 | mousex | amittp: that's the one; you configure all X settings from there: monitor, screen resolution, language, X-keyboard rule set, etc. |
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| 08:41.24 | mousex | amittp: or if you are running gnome or kde, just go to the control panel |
| 08:41.27 | nikolas | mousex: sorry, i am talking about the HEADER.html and FOOTER.html in an Apache2 Index. |
| 08:41.44 | farphadet | yes , i have just had my wg311T |
| 08:42.11 | mousex | nikolas: Index? |
| 08:42.16 | hazzern | does anyone run linux on laptops ? |
| 08:42.22 | farphadet | yes |
| 08:42.34 | nikolas | mousex: take a look http://ftp.iasi.roedu.net/ |
| 08:42.41 | hazzern | i'm planning to buy one |
| 08:42.51 | hazzern | could you help me out |
| 08:42.53 | hazzern | plz |
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| 08:43.07 | farphadet | i'have a medion laptot |
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| 08:43.26 | hazzern | hmm how much does it cost ? |
| 08:43.40 | Guerin | hazzern: thinkpad |
| 08:43.58 | farphadet | the features is good but this mark is not known |
| 08:44.43 | hazzern | Guerin i want a cheap one but it should work |
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| 08:45.03 | hazzern | will only be doing wordprocessing and things of that nature |
| 08:45.12 | Guerin | hazzern: buy used |
| 08:45.23 | mousex | nikolas: I'm not sure what to do whith file indexes. But still, try creating a index.html that uses frames (header.html, http://ftp.iasi.roedu.net/, and footer.html) |
| 08:45.37 | Guerin | hazzern: a used thinkpad will probably do you better than a similarly-priced no-name POS |
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| 08:45.45 | Guerin | especially if it's still under warranty |
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| 08:46.10 | nikolas | mousex: ok, i will search how to do that, i am not good at html code |
| 08:46.17 | hazzern | do you have a picture of that machine ? |
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| 08:46.45 | Guerin | hazzern: thinkpad is a line of laptops made by ibm. Google around a bit. |
| 08:46.46 | Skygod | anyone can help me ? how can i restart httpd |
| 08:46.59 | mousex | nikolas: http://www.htmlhelp.com/reference/html40/frames/frameset.html |
| 08:47.01 | Guerin | Skygod: /etc/init.d/apache restart |
| 08:47.16 | Skygod | Guerin : thank you |
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| 08:49.52 | hazzern | Guerin do you know of newer modles |
| 08:49.59 | hazzern | something with 1 mb cache |
| 08:50.09 | Guerin | hazzern: for word processing? |
| 08:50.29 | simonrvn | gawds |
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| 08:51.39 | hazzern | hmm isnt that much processing speed needed ? |
| 08:51.57 | Guerin | hazzern: I use a p2-233 toshiba laptop from 1997 for all of my everyday work |
| 08:51.57 | hazzern | i havent ever used such a system yet |
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| 08:52.36 | Guerin | hazzern: basically anything over about a p3 should do you fine - ram is way more important than cpu |
| 08:52.39 | nz17 | How does one send attachments in GNOME's Pan USENET newsreader? |
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| 08:54.00 | hazzern | my friend says that i should look forward for more cache cause i wouldnt need to upgrade the system but i could always put in more ram |
| 08:54.33 | runningman | if you're movile shopping, get pentium-M, not pentium 4M |
| 08:55.22 | Guerin | hazzern: Hype. You're either going to use it as a workstation or a gaming rig. Don't bother spending $thousands on what will essentially be a typewriter - go for a moderate cpu, plenty of ram, light weight and long battery life. |
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| 08:55.54 | Guerin | unless you WANT a 3.4G alienware box which gets 45 minutes on a battery |
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| 08:56.02 | Guerin | and 100fps on ut2k4 |
| 08:56.04 | mousex | nikolas: Check out server side includes at: http://httpd.apache.org/docs/howto/ssi.html |
| 08:56.07 | Guerin | anyway |
| 08:56.18 | hazzern | i'm not getting any of these term |
| 08:56.19 | hazzern | terms |
| 08:56.31 | nikolas | mousex: ok |
| 08:56.32 | hazzern | where could i learn a little before i buy anything |
| 08:56.32 | Guerin | buses, planes and trains for me for the next 48 hours |
| 08:56.36 | hazzern | i'm totally confused |
| 08:56.39 | Guerin | and beer, naturally |
| 08:56.44 | Guerin | :) |
| 08:56.53 | simonrvn | then google. and find a dictionary, or the jargon file |
| 08:57.08 | hazzern | hmm i have that jargon file |
| 08:57.15 | findme | hazzern, www.epinions.com |
| 08:57.48 | nikolas | isn't there a simple way so apache will load the 2 files on every page is loading ? |
| 08:57.52 | nikolas | a module or something |
| 08:58.22 | simonrvn | what? try #apache |
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| 08:58.35 | fm | I have a set of procmail rules in a file, and I want to filter mails stored in a MAILDIR according to this rules. How do i invoke procmail from command line to do this ? |
| 08:58.47 | nikolas | there is noone on apache online |
| 08:59.29 | mousex | nikolas: yes, there is; it's called ssi (server side includes). <!--#include virtual="/header.html" --><br><!-- YOUR CODE/PAGE HERE--><!--#include virtual="/footer.html" --> |
| 08:59.39 | simonrvn | bullshit |
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| 09:00.08 | mousex | nikolas: http://httpd.apache.org/docs/howto/ssi.html down where it says "Including a standard footer" |
| 09:00.09 | Enflam3D_89 | what file do I need to edit to change the default session? |
| 09:00.23 | simonrvn | Enflam3D_89: ENOCONTEXT |
| 09:00.40 | Enflam3D_89 | simonrvn: ok, where can i find that? |
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| 09:01.02 | simonrvn | Enflam3D_89: you provided no context |
| 09:01.12 | Enflam3D_89 | Kuwanger: ohh |
| 09:01.15 | mousex | Enflam3D_89: that is, what session are you talking about? |
| 09:01.20 | Enflam3D_89 | oops |
| 09:01.25 | Enflam3D_89 | sorry |
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| 09:02.07 | mousex | Enflam3D_89: do you mean like a default X window manager? Gnome session? |
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| 09:02.24 | Enflam3D_89 | simonrvn, mousex: when X loads, it comes up with a login manager, by default GNOME. then automatically logs in to GNOME. i want to change these settings so it auto logs in to KDE |
| 09:02.33 | Enflam3D_89 | mousex: yes i do |
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| 09:02.44 | mousex | update-alternatives --config x-window-manager |
| 09:02.52 | Enflam3D_89 | mousex: oh i see |
| 09:03.00 | Enflam3D_89 | mousex: when i used Fedora it was /etc/sysconfig |
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| 09:03.07 | mousex | Look for the other files in /etc/alternatives |
| 09:03.09 | simonrvn | so select the kde session, then select that as default |
| 09:03.13 | Enflam3D_89 | i guess Debian is very different |
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| 09:03.40 | mousex | the alternatives system is much easier |
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| 09:08.52 | nikolas | mousex: the think i don't understand (mabye i am too tired) where do i write the "<!--#include virtual="/header.html" --><br><!-- YOUR CODE/PAGE HERE--><!--#include virtual="/footer.html" -->" code ? |
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| 09:09.47 | mousex | nikolas: index.html |
| 09:10.02 | nikolas | mousex: i don't have an index.html..... |
| 09:10.53 | iNeo | mousex: When your using server include, the extension has to be <file>.shtml |
| 09:11.13 | mousex | iNeo: how come? |
| 09:11.17 | runningman | "it jsut does" |
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| 09:11.26 | mousex | nikolas: what document is providing the file index? |
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| 09:11.31 | runningman | you can actually modify your httpd files to let it be anything |
| 09:11.39 | runningman | but for commercial hosts, and by default, you just use .shtml |
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| 09:11.46 | iNeo | runningman: I know, but default shmtl |
| 09:11.52 | runningman | to reduce the server load (it has to scan everything otherwise) |
| 09:12.04 | runningman | ineo: was telling mousx, you obviously knew :) |
| 09:12.15 | nikolas | mousex: none... |
| 09:12.29 | nikolas | mousex: it's provided by apache when there is now index.html |
| 09:12.37 | nikolas | *no |
| 09:13.29 | mousex | iNeo, runningman: maybe you can help nikolas, because I don't know very much about ssi and apache file indexes |
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| 09:15.20 | runningman | make a directory in htdocs, or whatever your httproot is. |
| 09:15.26 | runningman | put a file in it called index.shtml |
| 09:15.33 | runningman | oh |
| 09:15.44 | runningman | it's probabbly that the includes aren't .shtml as well. |
| 09:15.51 | runningman | I had that with a migration from one server to another. |
| 09:15.58 | mousex | ? |
| 09:16.06 | cat | oh boy |
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| 09:16.21 | runningman | #include virtual blah.html needed to be include virtual blah.shtml |
| 09:16.34 | nikolas | for the header and the footer i now use HeaderName and ReadmeName in apache.conf |
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| 09:17.17 | nikolas | have a look at this: http://ftp.iasi.roedu.net/ |
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| 09:18.04 | runningman | right, what abou tit? |
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| 09:19.03 | kenboo | Solaris10 is now Open Source... |
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| 09:19.16 | nikolas | there is no index.* or something like it... i just want to have the header and footer on every page without including the files in every directory... someone told me that it's an apache directive for that but i can't find it |
| 09:19.18 | cat | kenboo: where can u download it? |
| 09:19.24 | mousex | kenboo: Solaris open source?!!!! :D |
| 09:19.27 | kenboo | opensolaris.org ? |
| 09:19.45 | kenboo | www.opensolaris.org |
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| 09:20.07 | kenboo | it's kinda sad..tho i support debian and linux i hoped that Solaris would survive |
| 09:20.12 | runningman | well, I'm not going to read the httpd docs. |
| 09:20.13 | zuulu | hello, how do i restart apache2 under debian linux |
| 09:20.20 | cat | but u cannot download solaris |
| 09:20.29 | runningman | I thought you were just having problems with ssi. |
| 09:20.30 | cat | zuulu: /etc/init.d/apache restart; |
| 09:20.36 | zuulu | does not work |
| 09:20.42 | runningman | try apache2 restart |
| 09:20.42 | cat | zuulu: apache restart |
| 09:20.48 | zuulu | same result |
| 09:20.52 | kenboo | there must be a link. let me search |
| 09:20.54 | zuulu | it just does nothing |
| 09:21.06 | zuulu | when i type apache2 it shows me the command to use |
| 09:21.13 | cat | zuulu: do u get any errors? |
| 09:21.17 | zuulu | nope |
| 09:21.23 | zuulu | just nothing |
| 09:21.27 | nikolas | runningman: no |
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| 09:22.07 | zuulu | i have done it once and it worked, but it was a long long time ago and i dont have to do this kind of thing often |
| 09:22.28 | zuulu | i think it was in another dir |
| 09:23.20 | kenboo | uh they haven't released yet... |
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| 09:24.23 | mousex | nikolas: I made a test page; check it out here: http://lawkessler.com/test/index.html |
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| 09:26.53 | mousex | nikolas: mod_include is the module you need enabled in apache for ssi to work |
| 09:27.04 | nikolas | i did |
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| 09:27.26 | |ac3| | hi |
| 09:27.49 | cat | hi |ac3| |
| 09:28.08 | Backz | with xine can I open wmv file? |
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| 09:28.32 | |ac3| | i have a dhcp3-server in a subnet and i want it to be the dhcpserver for multiple other subnets (not his own) How do i do that? |
| 09:28.45 | |ac3| | I have dhcp relaying configured on our switches |
| 09:28.57 | mousex | nikolas: I just don't see how to use the default file index page when there's a index.html present, and you need that index.html to use ssi. |
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| 09:29.19 | |ac3| | is dhcpd3 capable of doing that? |
| 09:29.21 | mousex | nikolas: wait! shouldn't apache have a template for the file index page? You could edit it to have your ssi! |
| 09:29.45 | nikolas | mousex: you are right... how do i check that out ? |
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| 09:30.22 | mousex | nikolas: I don't have apache installed, but you can search in the output of dpkg -L apache |
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| 09:34.16 | nikolas | mousex: hmmm.. i can't find anything like that |
| 09:35.30 | mousex | nikolas: try looking in /var/www or /var/web |
| 09:36.19 | mousex | nikolas: http://httpd.apache.org/docs/mod/mod_autoindex.html |
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| 09:36.37 | Backz | is aptitude done to use? |
| 09:37.28 | nikolas | mousex: i am using that module for the header and footer, but i don't find anything on makeing them global |
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| 09:40.23 | mousex | nikolas: so you gave it an URI for header.html and footer.html, but they only display on the first page? |
| 09:41.05 | nikolas | mousex: yes |
| 09:41.37 | mousex | nikolas: http://httpd.apache.org/docs/mod/mod_dir.html#directoryindex |
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| 09:42.39 | mousex | nevermind that, actually |
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| 09:45.51 | mousex | nikolas: you can create an index.html that you place in every directory; it would have something like this: <html><!--#include virtual="header.html"><Directory></Directory><!--#include virtual="footer.html"></html> |
| 09:45.56 | Robi | Hi is it possible for me to extract the packages like kde from the knoppix CD so that I can install on debian |
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| 09:46.25 | tosh| | does anyone have any experience with taking a preconfigured system and placing it on a smartmedia (memorycard) and booting from it? |
| 09:46.30 | mousex | Robi: it might be, but why would you do that? |
| 09:46.42 | nikolas | mousex: that is not a good thing :) i can also place header.html and footer.html in every directory with the same effect... but there like 10.000 directories |
| 09:46.46 | Robi | Well mousex I already have kde on that |
| 09:46.55 | Robi | I dont want to download another gig for debian alone |
| 09:47.27 | mousex | Backz: aptitude has been ready for decades :) |
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| 09:47.39 | Robi | mousex : do you know how to ? |
| 09:48.11 | mousex | Robi: no, but you don't have to download the debian CD just to install KDE. You can download just the KDE .deb files |
| 09:48.22 | Robi | mousex : I already have Knoppix CD |
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| 09:48.36 | Robi | mousex : and KDE .deb files are HUGE arent they? |
| 09:48.51 | mousex | Robi: they probably are. |
| 09:48.59 | mousex | Robi: do you have debian installed? |
| 09:49.00 | surreal_ | anyone know of a decent wysiwyg html editor? |
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| 09:49.07 | mousex | surreal_: bluefish |
| 09:49.08 | Robi | mousex : yeah debian sarge installd |
| 09:49.19 | surreal_ | bluefish isnt wysiwyg |
| 09:49.22 | Robi | mousex : but internet is a problem for me |
| 09:49.27 | Robi | mousex : slow |
| 09:49.51 | Backz | mousex: it find problems that apt-get don't find! |
| 09:50.01 | mousex | surreal_: oh, you're right; it's for typing HTML |
| 09:50.05 | surreal_ | ya |
| 09:50.16 | mousex | surreal_: mozilla-editor |
| 09:50.17 | surreal_ | html is the only thing i like to be lazy with |
| 09:50.21 | surreal_ | yah it's ok :-\ |
| 09:50.23 | mousex | Backz: what problems? |
| 09:50.25 | Robi | mousex : can i extract the knoppix CD as an ISO and then install KDE from there |
| 09:50.27 | surreal_ | lacking a li ttle tho |
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| 09:50.38 | Robi | mousex : and knoppix is also based on debian |
| 09:51.12 | mousex | Robi: I don't think so, but I guess you can try copying the KDE directories from the CD on to your Debian hard drive |
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| 09:51.51 | Backz | mousex: I ever use apt-get, but, when I test aptitude... it alert of 'packages that will be removed'... why it? |
| 09:51.54 | mousex | Robi: but you would have to keep the same relative directory structure |
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| 09:52.03 | Robi | mousex : How do I know the structure |
| 09:52.34 | mousex | Backz: when you're upgrading (updating) some packages, the old versions are removed first |
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| 09:53.33 | b0ris | anyone here catch a frankston train? |
| 09:54.30 | b0ris | ahem. |
| 09:54.31 | mousex | Robi: open the CD with your file manager or borwser, and look for KDE; and then also check http://packages.debian.org/cgi-bin/search_contents.pl?searchmode=filelist&word=kde&version=testing&arch=alpha, changing "kde" in the URL for kde-core, kde-pim, etc. |
| 09:55.58 | mousex | well, got to go . . . good night |
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| 10:02.08 | schizoschaf | hi |
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| 10:06.24 | nikolas | what umask do i need for mode rwxrwxrwx (777) ? |
| 10:06.49 | mufa | nikolas: 000 ? |
| 10:06.58 | nikolas | thanx |
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| 10:10.23 | anulus | re |
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| 10:13.02 | Backz | what I need to xine(totem) or mplayer play .wmv file? |
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| 10:13.19 | tbx | I have about 150 html files that I need to inject with the same [framework] code. I am trying to do this, and it's not working. : for i in *.html; do cat filler >> "$1" ; done |
| 10:13.34 | tbx | what do I have wrong? the error is bash: : No such file or directory |
| 10:13.56 | runningman | $i not $1? |
| 10:14.23 | tbx | runningman: thanks |
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| 10:15.31 | tbx | runningman: bingo! |
| 10:16.04 | theJackal | backz: get the codecs off the mplayer site and install them in the directory according to the instructions |
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| 10:16.53 | theJackal | unless of course youve got a wmv file wich some fool has used DRM on.... then your hard out of luck |
| 10:16.55 | Simplexe | hi, what r the commands to configure an ethernet connexion on debian (mean ip and dns ) ? |
| 10:17.11 | runningman | anyone know what determines how an fsck gets run automagically after a crash?> |
| 10:17.11 | theJackal | ifconfig eth0 your_ip_here |
| 10:17.49 | Backz | theJackal: thanks! |
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| 10:18.01 | theJackal | simplexe: if you have a dhcp server somewhere, you can make life easier by "dhclient eth0" |
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| 10:18.14 | BP-Joshua | <PROTECTED> |
| 10:18.34 | theJackal | simplexe: nw :) |
| 10:18.51 | Simplexe | theJackal : no it's a home network i have to specify ip mask,dns...... |
| 10:18.57 | geronimo | BP-Joshua, more info please :) |
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| 10:19.44 | theJackal | simplexe: ifconfig eth0 you_ip_here netmask netmask_here |
| 10:20.17 | Simplexe | theJackal : what about the gateway ?? |
| 10:21.37 | Simplexe | theJackal : and dns for the internet connexion ?? :)) |
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| 10:22.09 | anulus | midnight commander is messed up in X (almost unreadable) for me, i remember that i did dpkg-reconfigure on some package to fix it, but i dont know which one was that..could somebody help me? |
| 10:22.09 | theJackal | simplexe: you can even change your mac address if the need be (this is usefull if you happen to be on a mac-filtered network one day) by ifconfig eth0 hw ether _mac_address |
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| 10:23.13 | theJackal | simplexe: well, you set the routeing table with "route add default gw _gateway_ip_ " |
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| 10:24.05 | theJackal | simplexe: and then put "nameserver _yournameservers_ip_here " in /etc/resolv.conf |
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| 10:24.36 | theJackal | simplexe: and then it should just work |
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| 10:25.02 | DuaneAllman | hi, any of you knows where can I find gaim-encryption plugin for debian sarge? |
| 10:25.47 | streuner__ | DuaneAllman: nothing in apt-cache search? |
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| 10:26.07 | PerfDave | gaim-encryption is a hack, use Jabber and GPG ;) |
| 10:26.20 | Simplexe | theJackal the ping of 192.168.0.1 don't work ! |
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| 10:27.03 | DuaneAllman | streuner__, nope, there's not in the default repos because it seems to violate some license etc etc |
| 10:27.39 | DuaneAllman | PerfDave, Unfortunately I have to use gaim-encryption above icq and msn so jabber is not an option |
| 10:27.55 | theJackal | simplexe: whats your ip? |
| 10:27.57 | PerfDave | DuaneAllman: Sucks to be you ;) |
| 10:28.10 | streuner__ | DuaneAllman: http://people.debian.org/~costela/debian/ |
| 10:28.33 | Simplexe | ip of the debian box 192.168.0.2 |
| 10:28.43 | theJackal | hmm...... |
| 10:28.52 | resiak | DuaneAllman: FWIW, the licensing issues appear to be non-trivial. |
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| 10:29.05 | theJackal | simplexe: it should just work... netmask is 255.255.255.0 ? |
| 10:29.31 | Simplexe | yes yes , how to verify ?? |
| 10:29.39 | theJackal | ipconfig eth0 |
| 10:30.00 | theJackal | ifconfig sorry :) |
| 10:30.12 | Simplexe | :)) |
| 10:30.22 | theJackal | that other operating system with dumb names has poisoned me |
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| 10:30.50 | DuaneAllman | resiak, yes I've read something on the net. it sucks, really |
| 10:30.54 | sep | Simplexe: also check that you have a route to your interface 'route -n' |
| 10:30.56 | resiak | DuaneAllman: It does. Use Jabber. :) |
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| 10:31.07 | pwk | hi, is there a nice tool with which I see all services that are started at boot time, where I can add things to start or remove things? |
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| 10:31.30 | pwk | or am I asked to read the /etc/init.d folder? |
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| 10:31.39 | macdet | high :) anyone with an k8v board? |
| 10:32.14 | streuner__ | DuaneAllman: What's with the debs from the URL i gave you? |
| 10:32.24 | sep | pwk there are several, but 'man update-rc.d' is default included, otherways you have to apt-get another |
| 10:32.29 | Simplexe | sep,theJackal :that's okay thx :)))) |
| 10:32.29 | theJackal | simplexe: there is a "cough" Gnome GUI app called network-setup that could make life easier.. |
| 10:33.05 | DuaneAllman | streuner__, I am downloading the gaim+gaim-encryption packages because installing only the plugin upon the sarge gaim doesn't work |
| 10:33.13 | DuaneAllman | streuner__, thanks for the link |
| 10:33.40 | streuner__ | DuaneAllman: the deb should be for sid/unstable... |
| 10:33.51 | theJackal | simplexe: network-admin .. sorry :) |
| 10:34.01 | streuner__ | DuaneAllman: maybe you need to make your own deb, but that's not hard |
| 10:34.57 | DuaneAllman | streuner__, my own gaim-encryption deb or the whole gaim+gaim-encryption? |
| 10:35.14 | PerfDave | theJackal: Does that modify your /etc/network/interfaces file? |
| 10:35.23 | streuner__ | DuaneAllman: the deb should be a raw plugin... |
| 10:35.27 | PerfDave | etherconf is the nice way to reconfigure your network in a Debian-friendly awy. |
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| 10:35.32 | theJackal | perfdave: im unsure..... |
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| 10:35.51 | DuaneAllman | streuner__, is there some kind of src-deb to do that or should I use checkinstall? |
| 10:35.52 | streuner__ | DuaneAllman: just install the deb, if you get any errors remove it |
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| 10:36.46 | DuaneAllman | streuner__, installing the plugin says that the plugin was not built agains the current gaim version and won't work |
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| 10:37.49 | streuner__ | DuaneAllman: try to add the URL to your sources.list and /msg dpkg simple sid backport |
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| 10:39.00 | streuner__ | DuaneAllman: simple sid backport would work for your sarge gaim version too... |
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| 10:39.29 | DuaneAllman | streuner__, I feel stupid but, where do I find that backport? |
| 10:39.56 | streuner__ | DuaneAllman: just read the factoid, it explains everything |
| 10:40.02 | streuner__ | !simple sid backport |
| 10:40.02 | dpkg | somebody said simple sid backport was 1) Add a deb-src line for sid to your sources.list. 2) apt-get update 3) apt-get build-dep packagename;apt-get -b source packagename 4) install the resulting debs, or pay someone to do it properly :) |
| 10:40.10 | streuner__ | !info gaim sarge |
| 10:40.31 | dpkg | gaim: (multi-protocol instant messaging client), section net, is optional. Version: 1:1.1.1-1 (sarge), Packaged size: 3549 kB, Installed size: 9688 kB |
| 10:40.36 | streuner__ | !info gaim sid |
| 10:40.39 | dpkg | gaim: (multi-protocol instant messaging client), section net, is optional. Version: 1:1.1.2-2 (sid), Packaged size: 852 kB, Installed size: 2120 kB |
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| 10:40.57 | Simplexe | i have installed debian with the netinstaller cd and now i need a kde to work easly how to download it from the net ?? |
| 10:41.23 | streuner__ | Simplexe: apt-get install kde |
| 10:41.26 | crypt | apt-get install kde ? |
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| 10:42.01 | streuner__ | PerfDave: Don't insult people. |
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| 10:42.19 | Simplexe | streuner__ , crypt couldn't find package kde |
| 10:42.39 | PerfDave | streuner__: I'm sorry? |
| 10:42.41 | Simplexe | <PROTECTED> |
| 10:43.02 | Simplexe | there is no kde in the dselect |
| 10:43.06 | crypt | SimpleExe |
| 10:43.10 | PerfDave | Simplexe: So download it from the Internet. |
| 10:43.13 | crypt | sources.list is ok ? |
| 10:43.13 | streuner__ | PerfDave: PerfDave> DuaneAllman: Sucks to be you ;) |
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| 10:43.52 | Simplexe | source.list ?? |
| 10:43.55 | PerfDave | streuner__: That's not an insult. It's an expression of condolence. |
| 10:43.55 | streuner__ | apt-get install kde should work for sarge/testing and sid/unstable... |
| 10:44.29 | Simplexe | crypt where can i find it n how to set it up ? |
| 10:44.32 | DuaneAllman | !info gaim-encryption sarge |
| 10:44.41 | crypt | Simplexe, /etc/apt/sources.list |
| 10:44.45 | DuaneAllman | !info gaim-encryption sid |
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| 10:44.59 | PerfDave | Simplexe: Read the Installation Manual? |
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| 10:45.09 | PerfDave | Simplexe: You should have set up your sources when you installed. |
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| 10:45.25 | shadebob | hi, someone use Hylafax with Notify script? |
| 10:45.51 | DuaneAllman | gaim-encryption doesn't exists even in sid so adding a deb-src in sources.list doesn't help |
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| 10:46.08 | resiak | DuaneAllman: I think that he's saying backport Gaim from Sid. |
| 10:46.17 | Simplexe | PerfDave : i have not yet configured the internet connexion on the installation |
| 10:46.34 | PerfDave | Simplexe: You may need to do that before you can download stuff from the Internet. |
| 10:47.32 | Simplexe | i have the line #deb http://security.debian.org/ stable/updates main in the sources.list |
| 10:47.55 | streuner__ | DuaneAllman: and adding the URL http://people.debian.org/~costela/debian/ didn't help too? |
| 10:48.07 | Simplexe | how to update this list ?? |
| 10:48.10 | Simplexe | :) |
| 10:48.11 | streuner__ | DuaneAllman: as deb-scr line |
| 10:48.13 | sep | Simplexe: first get network to function then apt-setup to configure your sources.list |
| 10:48.15 | PerfDave | !faq Simplexe |
| 10:48.16 | dpkg | Simplexe: http://www.linuks.mine.nu/debian-faq/ |
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| 10:49.18 | u0303135 | hi |
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| 10:49.46 | DuaneAllman | streuner__, now I try to build using the dsc file provided in that url |
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| 10:49.56 | Pumpkin_Pie | hello.. to restrict SSH access to only my IP I just add my ip to hosts.allow ? |
| 10:50.00 | streuner__ | DuaneAllman: sure |
| 10:50.13 | Simplexe | thx a lot sep |
| 10:50.13 | peterS | Pumpkin_Pie: in the right format, yeah |
| 10:50.15 | DuaneAllman | streuner__, adding the url to sources.list let met install gaim-encryption but it's a wrong version |
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| 10:50.33 | streuner__ | DuaneAllman: and as deb-src line? |
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| 10:50.46 | DuaneAllman | streuner__, ahh, wait, I try |
| 10:51.46 | Pumpkin_Pie | do I have to restart anything ? |
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| 10:52.09 | DuaneAllman | streuner__, "deb-src http://people.debian.org/~costela/debian/ ./" is ok? |
| 10:52.28 | streuner__ | DuaneAllman: yeah, looks ok to me. |
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| 10:53.32 | nome | hi |
| 10:53.39 | nome | i've a nice question |
| 10:53.57 | Pumpkin_Pie | Do I have to restart anything after I change hosts.allow ? |
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| 10:54.30 | SlayerXP | Pumpkin_Pie: no |
| 10:54.58 | Pumpkin_Pie | ahh it worked |
| 10:55.06 | nome | why does kdirstat say i've 8.85 gb of files and kdiskfree 10,7Gb? |
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| 10:55.19 | DuaneAllman | streuner__, "apt-build install gaim-encryption" says: "E: Package gaim-encryption has no installation candidate" |
| 10:55.23 | nome | 2Gb are missed ... |
| 10:55.33 | Pumpkin_Pie | its bad when you see a french box trying to login over 10 times a second :P |
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| 10:56.40 | pwk | ok thanks sep, I will look at update-rc.d |
| 10:56.55 | FabParma | how can i set the monitor model? |
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| 10:57.32 | streuner__ | DuaneAllman: apt-get build-dep packagename |
| 10:57.36 | sep | FabParma: ?? you mean what resolution you'r monitor can handle ??? ->dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xfree86 |
| 10:58.08 | FabParma | sep: thank you. is there a GUI tool as well? |
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| 10:58.57 | FabParma | sep: yes i have to change the resolution |
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| 10:59.50 | DuaneAllman | streuner__, says it can't find gaim-dev. I suppose I have to build gaim from source too |
| 11:00.04 | streuner__ | DuaneAllman: of course |
| 11:00.30 | DuaneAllman | streuner__, so apt-get build-dep gaim gaim-encryption could be right? |
| 11:00.31 | streuner__ | DuaneAllman: create the gaim package first |
| 11:00.41 | streuner__ | yep |
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| 11:01.42 | DuaneAllman | streuner__, ok, now it's downloading some -dev package I'll tell how the story ends. thanks for now |
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| 11:02.53 | streuner__ | DuaneAllman: anyway, if that doesn't work, just create the gaim package and us 'debian/rules' from the package of the other URL... |
| 11:03.01 | streuner__ | s/us/use/ |
| 11:03.09 | zzyber | can someone explain why my filnames dont show swedish characters, my locale is set to sv_SE |
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| 11:03.44 | d3s | is it possible to cron my apt-get upgrade? what about the questions that sometimes arise? |
| 11:03.57 | streuner__ | don't use it |
| 11:04.30 | streuner__ | d3s: there is a package for, but most people run their upgrades by hand, i guess. |
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| 11:04.42 | sep | FabParma: you can alter the visual frontend of dpkg-reconfigure by running dpkg-reconfigure debconf, but the default 'dialog' is about as guiish as the next thing |
| 11:05.02 | directhex|work | but the gnome gui is pretty! |
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| 11:05.46 | theJackal | i use fluxbox most the time./... its the king.. you know why .. quoting monty python "it aint got shit all over it" |
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| 11:06.33 | SlayerXP | theJackal: shame your grammar and spelling isn't up to the same standard as your knowledge of monty python quotes. |
| 11:06.42 | theJackal | lol |
| 11:06.49 | altan | Hi guys, I'm having a problem with the binary nvidia drivers on Ubuntu (yes, I see the topic, but I was unable to get an answer in #ubuntu) - I tried both the nvidia-glx package on Ubuntu's repositories and the deb files from Debian unstable with a recompiled kernel. |
| 11:06.58 | SlayerXP | altan: tought shit. |
| 11:06.58 | altan | Anyway, I fear the problem might be a quirky graphics card |
| 11:07.00 | theJackal | i hate english,.. java is a much nicer language |
| 11:07.00 | SlayerXP | tough |
| 11:07.14 | crypt | hmm i have installed apt in experimental how can i turn to unstable ? |
| 11:07.14 | altan | SlayerXP: it might be a hardware problem |
| 11:07.26 | Pumpkin_Pie | how do I add *.fr to my hosts.deny? according to the file the wildcard would be only allow it |
| 11:07.28 | SlayerXP | altan: yes, it might be. but it's certainly not a #debian problem. |
| 11:07.51 | altan | okay. if I install debian and come back here in an hour when it's done and I ask, would it be? |
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| 11:08.24 | theJackal | lol |
| 11:08.30 | petemc | crypt: try "apt-get install apt/unstable" |
| 11:08.34 | SlayerXP | altan: maybe |
| 11:08.34 | theJackal | try #nvidia |
| 11:09.11 | altan | thanks theJackal |
| 11:09.11 | crypt | thanks petemc |
| 11:09.11 | MtG2k | hello I was wondering if someone could help me with a small mouse issue |
| 11:09.24 | b0ris | why give people the opportunity to say no :P |
| 11:09.29 | flowtron | MtG2k : buy a bigger mouse |
| 11:09.35 | petemc | *bam* |
| 11:09.39 | theJackal | lol |
| 11:09.46 | b0ris | man, wouldnt that be great... a giant mouse |
| 11:09.48 | MtG2k | In Kernel 2.4.27 my mouse and keyboard which are plugged into a ps2 to usb converter work great, however when i go to kernel 2.6.8 the mouse does not work |
| 11:09.50 | b0ris | you could ride it.. |
| 11:09.57 | b0ris | well, i would ride it. |
| 11:09.58 | theJackal | mice suck· buy a rat.. or a cat. |
| 11:10.22 | theJackal | have you got all the USB modules and shit loaded? |
| 11:10.25 | MtG2k | problem is i need the 2.6.8 kernel for my larger hard drive controller |
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| 11:10.35 | MtG2k | usbhid, usbmouse, usbcore |
| 11:10.46 | MtG2k | and it also loads hiddev |
| 11:10.47 | theJackal | usbserial? |
| 11:11.02 | MtG2k | umm that one i dont have |
| 11:11.05 | theJackal | modprobe *usb* :D |
| 11:11.05 | cef | MtG2k: and what mouse device are you using in X? |
| 11:11.21 | MtG2k | cef: /dev/mouse |
| 11:11.23 | cef | usbserial won't give you a mouse |
| 11:11.39 | theJackal | cat /dev/mouse and see if it produces text |
| 11:11.42 | geronimo | ehm, sorry im noob, but how can i mount all usb devices? is there a shell command? |
| 11:11.43 | MtG2k | ok |
| 11:11.49 | theJackal | then cat /dev/psaux and see if it produces tex |
| 11:11.50 | cef | MtG2k: do you have 'mousedev' loaded? |
| 11:12.00 | theJackal | if not... cat /dev/input/mice |
| 11:12.31 | theJackal | if that dosent work.. load eventdev or evdev, and cat /dev/input/event0 /dev/input/event1 etc |
| 11:12.32 | MtG2k | hmm mousedev i dont think |
| 11:12.36 | MtG2k | let me check |
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| 11:12.54 | theJackal | (evdev solves many problems :D ) |
| 11:12.58 | cef | MtG2k: and is /dev/mouse a symlink? if so, what does it really point to? |
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| 11:13.05 | ciga | hi |
| 11:13.07 | peterS | theJackal: evdev does, but not on the level you're talking about here |
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| 11:13.17 | MtG2k | mousedev is not a module |
| 11:13.21 | ciga | any software to draw a topology? |
| 11:13.32 | dvsdude | dia |
| 11:13.33 | peterS | MtG2k: it certainly is in Debian kernels. where'd you get your kernel? |
| 11:13.36 | dvsdude | ciga dia |
| 11:13.52 | cef | MtG2k: are you running a kernel you built or the default deb kernel? |
| 11:13.52 | MtG2k | peterS: apt |
| 11:14.15 | MtG2k | cef: had prebuilt 2.4 kernel did patch to 2.6 |
| 11:14.16 | BP-Joshua | <PROTECTED> |
| 11:14.23 | MtG2k | cef: thru apt |
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| 11:14.39 | ciga | dvsdude: anything with kde? |
| 11:14.53 | dvsdude | ciga qcad |
| 11:15.14 | MtG2k | hmmm mouse seems to symlink to gpmdata |
| 11:15.20 | dvsdude | ciga you can apt dia it will pull in dependants etc will work fine kde |
| 11:15.20 | Xerakko | hello, I've hav a problem with an apt-get, I have to pass throught a ISA Server with user/password. I've tried with export http_proxy=http://domain\user:pass@ip:port an it doesn't work :( any idea? |
| 11:15.32 | MtG2k | when i do ls -l mouse in /dev |
| 11:15.46 | MtG2k | mouse -> gpmdata |
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| 11:16.02 | cef | aha! gpm.. yukko |
| 11:16.02 | peterS | MtG2k: mouse -> gpmdata means that at some time in the past you set up gpm as a protocol repeater |
| 11:16.17 | peterS | MtG2k: this works fine, but if you are using a 2.6 kernel, it's unnecessary |
| 11:16.35 | cef | wodner where gpm is getting it's input from |
| 11:16.44 | MtG2k | peterS: unfortuneately it is not working fine. could it be that is the source of my problem? |
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| 11:17.02 | peterS | MtG2k: possibly. please summarise for me since I wasn't paying attention earlier: you *are* using kernel 2.6? |
| 11:17.08 | MtG2k | yes |
| 11:17.18 | MtG2k | peterS: i upgraded from 2.4 |
| 11:17.21 | peterS | MtG2k: so, does 'od < /dev/input/mice' do anything useful? |
| 11:17.28 | peterS | if not, what's the error message? |
| 11:17.28 | MtG2k | one sec |
| 11:17.42 | ciga | dvsdude: thanks |
| 11:17.43 | peterS | it *should* spit out mouse packets in hexadecimal |
| 11:17.55 | dvsdude | ciga no problems check out www.fsf.org |
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| 11:18.08 | MtG2k | peterS: i get a wonderful blinking cursor |
| 11:18.09 | dvsdude | ciga free software society |
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| 11:18.16 | MtG2k | thats all it does |
| 11:18.20 | peterS | MtG2k: but no error message and no mouse packets when you move the mouse? |
| 11:18.38 | MtG2k | peterS: nada |
| 11:18.44 | DuaneAllman | streuner__, it doesn't work. building gaim from source doesn't create a gaim-dev package |
| 11:18.45 | peterS | MtG2k: ok, is your mouse plugged into a PS/2 port or a USB port? |
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| 11:18.54 | MtG2k | thats the funny part |
| 11:19.13 | DuaneAllman | streuner__, so gaim-encryption doesn-t want to compile |
| 11:19.13 | zzyber | can someone tell me how locales for filenames i set? |
| 11:19.13 | MtG2k | its a ps2 mouse going into a usb converter |
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| 11:19.22 | peterS | MtG2k: so it's plugged into USB? did the convertor come with the mouse, or did you get it somewhere else? |
| 11:19.41 | MtG2k | peterS: somewhere else but as i said it worked just fine in the 2.4 kernel |
| 11:20.04 | peterS | MtG2k: ok, just checking. because if a PS/2 mouse doesn't come with a USB convertor, it's probably not compatible with USB |
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| 11:20.21 | peterS | MtG2k: anyway, assuming it *is* compatible ... make sure you have your USB host driver loaded and stuff |
| 11:20.35 | peterS | MtG2k: if you aren't sure which type of host chips you have, do this: lspci -v | awk '/USB/{print $NF}' |
| 11:20.45 | peterS | MtG2k: it'll tell you UHCI or OHCI, and/or EHCI |
| 11:20.58 | MtG2k | peterS: here is the thing |
| 11:21.09 | pestil3nce | Hmm, is there any dpkg-reconfigure for apache2? Or any alternative? |
| 11:21.18 | MtG2k | peterS: it is a ps2 to usb for a keyboard and mouse it can be used both at the same time and that is how i am using it |
| 11:21.29 | MtG2k | peterS: the keyboard works 100% no problem |
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| 11:21.52 | MtG2k | its almost like the 2.6 kernel hates my mouse |
| 11:22.06 | peterS | MtG2k: that doesn't prove you have the USB host driver loaded, actually. it's *possible* that the keyboard is working through BIOS PS/2 emulation |
| 11:22.18 | MtG2k | i see |
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| 11:22.45 | peterS | MtG2k: (BIOS PS/2 emulation is intended for using a USB keyboard/mouse with OSes that aren't new enough to do USB natively) |
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| 11:23.22 | peterS | MtG2k: anyway, check on your UHCI/OHCI/EHCI thing, with the command I told you, unless you already happen to know which you have |
| 11:23.32 | MtG2k | peterS: when i type that lspci command as you told me to do |
| 11:23.40 | MtG2k | peterS: it comes up with an error |
| 11:24.00 | juhov | if you don't have lspci, do apt-get install pciutils |
| 11:24.02 | peterS | MtG2k: what error? I'm pretty sure I typed it right |
| 11:24.54 | MtG2k | awk: line 1: syntax error at or near ] & awk: line 2: missing } near end of file |
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| 11:25.25 | MtG2k | i typed it exactly as you did |
| 11:25.33 | petemc | peterS: you did type it right |
| 11:25.42 | MtG2k | pretty sure gimme a sec |
| 11:25.51 | OhMyAchinLap | ahoy |
| 11:25.55 | peterS | MtG2k: lspci -v | awk '/USB/{print $NF}' - I think you typed ] instead of } at the end there |
| 11:26.54 | MtG2k | peterS: heh you know what you're right >.< |
| 11:27.02 | MtG2k | peterS: UHCI |
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| 11:27.18 | peterS | MtG2k: right, ok. run 'lsmod' and see if the module 'uhci_hcd' is loaded |
| 11:27.27 | MtG2k | ok |
| 11:27.53 | MtG2k | ah ehci_hcd is |
| 11:27.54 | peterS | MtG2k: to see it clearly: lsmod | grep hcd |
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| 11:28.22 | peterS | MtG2k: ok, if you didn't see "[EHCI])" in your list of USB controllers, you don't need ehci_hcd. but you do need uhci_hcd. |
| 11:28.54 | MtG2k | peterS: Kyuuzo:/home/mtg2k# modprobe uhci_hcd |
| 11:28.54 | MtG2k | FATAL: Module uhci_hcd not found. |
| 11:29.20 | peterS | MtG2k: if this is a 2.6 kernel, it should have uhci_hcd available. unless it was compiled with much different options than what Debian uses |
| 11:29.41 | MtG2k | it was 2.4 patched up to 2.6 |
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| 11:29.47 | samdret | is there a way to convert ntfs to ext3 without loosing data? |
| 11:30.00 | petemc | samdret: i shouldnt think so |
| 11:30.06 | MtG2k | samdret: i think the only way would be by using partition magic |
| 11:30.13 | samdret | that's what i thought... |
| 11:30.14 | samdret | damn. |
| 11:30.18 | peterS | MtG2k: well, if you just did 'make oldconfig', then you'll have missed the uhci driver, probably. it has changed name since then, so the old config wouldn't catch it |
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| 11:30.25 | OhMyAchinLap | samdret, move your files to another drive temporarily |
| 11:30.28 | samdret | got a fileserver i want to convert to linux. |
| 11:30.41 | MtG2k | peterS: thats the thing i didnt do a new make |
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| 11:30.46 | samdret | OhMyAchinLap: i really don't have 600gb of free space laying around :( |
| 11:30.49 | OhMyAchinLap | thats what i did moving from XP to linux with a large NTFS part |
| 11:31.00 | peterS | MtG2k: I don't know what you mean by "patched up from 2.4" then |
| 11:31.08 | OhMyAchinLap | sanmdret, ouch |
| 11:31.14 | samdret | it'll just have to wait until i can get a new disk then.. take one disk at a time. |
| 11:31.22 | MtG2k | peterS: I did a apt-get install kernel-patch-2.6.8 on my existing 2.4.27-speakup kernel that installed with debian sarge |
| 11:31.26 | OhMyAchinLap | samdret, how many disks, what size? |
| 11:31.39 | peterS | MtG2k: oh, that won't actually patch your old kernel up |
| 11:31.54 | OhMyAchinLap | NTFS is generally a huge pain if you're running anything but windows |
| 11:31.55 | MtG2k | peterS: kernelversion reports kernel 2.6 |
| 11:31.58 | samdret | 4 disks, 2x 160, 1x 200 and 1x 75. |
| 11:32.03 | MtG2k | peterS: and my ide controller works |
| 11:32.04 | peterS | MtG2k: what does "uname -r" report? |
| 11:32.17 | MtG2k | 2.6.8 |
| 11:32.22 | samdret | so if i get a new 200gb i can use that as a temp disk before i fill it with shit. |
| 11:32.36 | OhMyAchinLap | yeah, a new 200 would solve your problems |
| 11:32.44 | samdret | seems like the best solution... although it'll take forever times two. |
| 11:32.45 | peterS | MtG2k: if you didn't compile it yourself, I don't know how you would have gotten "2.6.8". Debian kernels always have something appended to that, like "2.6.8-1-k7" |
| 11:32.58 | OhMyAchinLap | samdret, also you might want to look at resier and XFS along with ext3 |
| 11:33.12 | OhMyAchinLap | *reiser |
| 11:33.18 | peterS | !reiserfs |
| 11:33.18 | dpkg | [reiserfs] a journaling filesystem with pretty good performance and some interesting features. See http://www.namesys.com. It is wonderful and everyone loves it, until the axe falls and they lose data due to a crash. As such, it has a lot of ex-fans who are now sadder but wiser. See ext3, xfs, or jfs for safer filesystems. |
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| 11:33.32 | MtG2k | peterS: is it possible to find out what module replaced UHCI in 2.6? |
| 11:34.02 | OhMyAchinLap | peterS, fair enough. I run it on workstations cause its fast, and XFS on servers |
| 11:34.17 | peterS | MtG2k: the 2.6.8 name is uhci_hcd. the 2.4 name was "usb-uhci" or just "uhci". (there were two different drivers back in 2.4) |
| 11:34.26 | samdret | OhMyAchinLap: if reiser is "unstable", i really don't think it's ideal for a fileserver.. heh. i'd kill myself. |
| 11:35.15 | samdret | anyway, let's say i put 4 ide disks in the computer, i can make a raid of it and have it act like one big disk? /fileserver for instance? |
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| 11:35.53 | dvsdude | samdret: ext3 most stable but slower |
| 11:36.03 | MtG2k | peterS: i see |
| 11:36.04 | samdret | significantly slower? |
| 11:36.18 | samdret | what fs do you recommend for a fileserver? |
| 11:36.19 | OhMyAchinLap | samdret, depende on who you ask. SuSE defaults to reiser |
| 11:36.35 | MtG2k | thank you peterS. guess its time to go get my hands dirty |
| 11:36.36 | dvsdude | samdret: whats stablity worth if you lose your data |
| 11:36.37 | peterS | samdret: I'd say xfs, but I don't have any personal xfs experience, it's just by reputation |
| 11:36.39 | OhMyAchinLap | i wouldn't call reiser "unstable" just perhaps less so than ext3 |
| 11:36.46 | peterS | MtG2k: what I would do if I were you: |
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| 11:36.47 | OhMyAchinLap | XFS has worked very well for me |
| 11:36.52 | peterS | MtG2k: apt-cache search kernel-image-2.6 |
| 11:36.53 | OhMyAchinLap | of particular note |
| 11:36.54 | samdret | dvsdude: nothing, that's why i don't want reiser if it's unstable. |
| 11:36.57 | peterS | MtG2k: then pick one and 'apt-get install' it |
| 11:37.10 | OhMyAchinLap | samdret, i had about 10% space gaim moving from ext3 to xfs |
| 11:37.18 | peterS | MtG2k: reboot into that kernel, and those modules ought to all exist |
| 11:37.23 | samdret | unstable, "unstable" - i don't want anything that could even hint to be unstable. |
| 11:37.32 | dvsdude | samdret: no probs man just my 2cents worth |
| 11:37.44 | samdret | thanks for your input :) |
| 11:38.05 | ricky_clarkson | samdret: My cup of tea is unstable, thanks to convection currents. |
| 11:38.07 | samdret | it's better to get first-hand user-input instead of propaganda from the creators. |
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| 11:38.48 | pestil3nce | How do i mount a remote disk on my local system? The pc i want to mount is in my network... |
| 11:38.54 | samdret | ok, but back to the raid issue. i can do that? |
| 11:38.59 | samdret | pestil3nce: smbmount |
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| 11:39.06 | flowtron | pestil3nce : smbfs? |
| 11:39.20 | OhMyAchinLap | personally, i've run reiser on my SuSE desktop for about 6 months, and on this Slackware10 laptop for 2-3...no issues at all |
| 11:39.26 | pestil3nce | Thanks i will check them out :) |
| 11:39.38 | OhMyAchinLap | and none with XFS on the fileservers, which has been about 6months now |
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| 11:40.05 | MtG2k | peterS: ok im going to try that now |
| 11:40.13 | peterS | !bless MtG2k |
| 11:40.14 | dpkg | O $DEITY, bless your child MtG2k, who is about to do something stupid and needs all the help you can give. Amen. |
| 11:40.15 | samdret | i have / as ext3, there's no problem using xfs for the file-disks? |
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| 11:40.20 | SlayerXP | reiser is a crock of crap, and Hans Reiser is a foolish curmudgeon. |
| 11:40.22 | OhMyAchinLap | hha |
| 11:40.40 | MtG2k | lol |
| 11:40.58 | OhMyAchinLap | samdret, i don't see why there should be, but i am still running ext3 for / "just to be safe" |
| 11:41.08 | samdret | hehe |
| 11:41.09 | sep | samdret: that's what i do |
| 11:41.10 | MtG2k | oh stupid question here is there a reason 2.6.10 isnt on the apt list for debian sarge? |
| 11:41.24 | OhMyAchinLap | MtG2k, its probably in sid |
| 11:41.27 | SlayerXP | MtG2k: yes, there is a reason. |
| 11:41.28 | farphadet | no |
| 11:41.29 | samdret | sep: cool. do you also have the ide disks in a raid acting as one big disk? |
| 11:41.39 | nome | hi |
| 11:41.49 | MtG2k | lol ok |
| 11:41.57 | sep | samdret: yes yes yes no no and yes, dependig on what server you'r looking at :P |
| 11:42.00 | MtG2k | anyone know the reason? / what's sid? |
| 11:42.00 | nome | is it possible to mount -o loop an that is on a mirror? |
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| 11:42.15 | flowtron | sid : still in development |
| 11:42.19 | OhMyAchinLap | MtG2k, debian "unstable" |
| 11:42.24 | zeno | Hi ti all! just did a fresh Debian Woody install.. it finds my RTL8139 pci ethernet card.. i configured the /etc/hosts /etc/resolve.conf and the /etc/network/interfaces .. if I do a "ifconfig" everything seems right.. I cannot do a ping however :( |
| 11:42.30 | nome | something like mount -o loop ftp://*.iso .... |
| 11:42.30 | sep | !sid |
| 11:42.31 | dpkg | extra, extra, read all about it, sid is the unstable version of Debian. Commonly [and wrongly] backronymed Still In Development. It's actually named for the destructive neighbour kid in Toy Story. Ask me about unstable. Do not use sid unless you have the skill to find your way out of the mess that broken packages may put you in. |
| 11:42.33 | MtG2k | ah |
| 11:42.57 | OhMyAchinLap | yes, all debian versions are named from toy story heh |
| 11:42.58 | samdret | sep: hehe. so let's say i have debian sarge on an ext3 / disk, and i put in 4 ide disks for the fileserver. i can make the 4 disks in a raid acting as one big disk (/fileserver)? |
| 11:43.00 | flowtron | ooops ... I thought I got that acronym off debian.org ... well |
| 11:43.33 | sep | samdret: i ususaly have 2 small disks as raid1 for / and 3 or more disks for raid5 for data |
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| 11:43.47 | samdret | zeno: /etc/init.d/inetd restart |
| 11:43.48 | sep | samdret: but yes you can do that |
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| 11:44.07 | samdret | sep: hm.. how about hardware? anything special required? |
| 11:44.18 | sep | samdret: disks |
| 11:44.22 | sep | many disks |
| 11:44.28 | samdret | that's it? no raid controller or something? |
| 11:44.46 | zeno | samdret -> did that.. when I ping it says " netwrok is unreachable" .. :( |
| 11:44.48 | sep | samdret: 3ware raid card if you want hardware raid, but linux can do software raid also |
| 11:44.59 | MtG2k | ; ; |
| 11:45.03 | samdret | software raid is just as good or what? |
| 11:45.08 | MtG2k | looks like im going to have to compile this thing myself |
| 11:45.08 | nome | i'lltry again |
| 11:45.11 | SlayerXP | samdret: "what" |
| 11:45.15 | sep | samdret: with hardware raid i usualy put everything in one big raid5 and partition it as i want to |
| 11:45.19 | samdret | zeno: route add default gw <ip> |
| 11:45.25 | zeno | ok |
| 11:45.26 | nome | is it possible to mount an iso residing on a mirror ftp? |
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| 11:45.43 | jm_ | nome: you can probably do that with FUSE |
| 11:45.48 | sep | samdret: hardware raid comes in expencive and good and cheep and lousy variants |
| 11:45.53 | nome | ok |
| 11:45.58 | nome | i'll try |
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| 11:46.24 | zeno | get the following error : "SIOCADDRT: Network is unreachable" .. after doing that route add.. |
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| 11:47.17 | samdret | sep: alright, thanks for the info :-) |
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| 11:47.34 | flowtron | zeno : you need to put your gateway IP where samdret wrote <ip> ... |
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| 11:48.07 | samdret | ie. route add default gw 192.168.1.1 |
| 11:48.14 | samdret | if that's the ip to your gateway. |
| 11:48.19 | man_in_shack | is php5 available yet? |
| 11:48.25 | samdret | man_in_shack: yes. |
| 11:48.34 | samdret | or did you mean as a deb package? |
| 11:48.44 | man_in_shack | as in, in an easily installable-in-debian form? |
| 11:48.52 | samdret | that i don't know. |
| 11:48.54 | zzyber | okey nu är jag tillbaka där jag började och allt verkar fungera utom tex en katalog som heter hämtningar och blir Hämtningar i en terminal, om jag skriver tex gedit åäö.txt i en terminal så kommer gedit att kalla filen för ???.txt(ogiltig unicode) i programmet men sparar jag filen så heter den åäö.txt i en terminal eller i nautilus, jag blir inte klok på det här |
| 11:49.00 | man_in_shack | k |
| 11:49.04 | prog | hmmm |
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| 11:49.06 | zzyber | sorry |
| 11:49.14 | zeno | flowtron --> i Did that ofcourse! |
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| 11:49.37 | samdret | man_in_shack: apt-cache search php5 |
| 11:49.38 | zeno | id did rout add default gw 192.168.10.2 --> my router |
| 11:49.52 | man_in_shack | samdret, i'm doing an apt-get update atm |
| 11:49.55 | samdret | ping 192.168.10.2 |
| 11:50.07 | samdret | seems to be available. |
| 11:50.10 | zeno | it won't ping .. |
| 11:50.16 | samdret | atleast i found it. |
| 11:50.21 | zeno | it gives that Network is unreachable error :S |
| 11:50.24 | samdret | zeno: don't know then. |
| 11:50.32 | samdret | try googling for the errors you get. |
| 11:50.48 | flowtron | zeno : ifconfig - are all your ifaces up? |
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| 11:51.11 | zeno | eth0 is up .. |
| 11:51.16 | Skyraven | hello...has anyone successfully configured a pppoe server on debian ? |
| 11:51.26 | SlayerXP | Skyraven: without a doubt. |
| 11:51.27 | zeno | and local loopback (lo) |
| 11:51.29 | flowtron | zeno : and has IP in 192.168.10.XXX ? |
| 11:51.39 | Skyraven | (my problem might be ppp or rp-pppoe related...but there's no channel for that) |
| 11:51.42 | Skyraven | SlayerXP, how ? |
| 11:51.47 | zeno | ha ip 192.168.10.110 |
| 11:51.48 | ricky_clarkson | zzyber: People can actually understand that? ;) |
| 11:51.51 | zeno | waut! |
| 11:51.53 | zeno | wait! |
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| 11:52.02 | shadebob | someone use notify whith hylafax? |
| 11:52.02 | zeno | it has a 168.1 instead of 10 .. |
| 11:52.05 | Skyraven | I get on a win xp computer ..errors..and in /var/log/daemon.log on my debian I get timed out while sending LCP ConfReq |
| 11:52.08 | SlayerXP | Skyraven: no idea. that wasn't your questions |
| 11:52.13 | zeno | hmm.. let me change the /etc/network/interfaces |
| 11:52.16 | Skyraven | :) |
| 11:52.30 | Skyraven | well nothing seems to be able to connect to my pppoe server :) |
| 11:52.40 | Skyraven | and no answers on their forum |
| 11:52.42 | sep | zzyber: i usualy find it easier to shout at users, compared to making all programs understand localiced characters |
| 11:52.47 | man_in_shack | apt-cache search php5 comes up litterally blank :| |
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| 11:53.29 | samdret | man_in_shack: edit /etc/apt/sources.list and replace stable with testing, apt-get update, apt-get dist-upgrade, apt-cache search php5. |
| 11:53.52 | man_in_shack | samdret, i'm on unstable |
| 11:53.59 | samdret | i said testing. |
| 11:54.06 | man_in_shack | i said i'm on unstable |
| 11:54.09 | E-bola | Hello, I am using rsync to mirror 2 hdd's on a local system. I was wondering what the best aproach is to case where something bad have happend on the source drive, and it spears empty(like fs corruption or something like that) How would i prevent the mirror getting deleted once the cron'd mirror job runs? Only thing i could find was --max-delete |
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| 11:54.17 | zeno | ok |
| 11:54.21 | zeno | it works! :DDDD |
| 11:54.21 | man_in_shack | why is php5 in testing but not unstable then? |
| 11:54.24 | zeno | My mistake ! :D |
| 11:54.31 | zeno | I read over the 168.1 thing :$ |
| 11:54.55 | flowtron | zeno : well, that may happen ... |
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| 11:55.04 | flowtron | zeno : ... but it shouldn't :) |
| 11:55.11 | samdret | man_in_shack: perhaps because testing is a stage before unstable? testing -> unstable -> stable. |
| 11:55.11 | samdret | that's my guess. |
| 11:55.24 | flowtron | zeno : good thing it works now! |
| 11:55.44 | man_in_shack | samdret, i thought it was the other way around |
| 11:55.45 | sep | E-bola: i'd place a marker file on the source drive and check it before rsyncing. you could even place a file in every folder if you so please |
| 11:55.50 | man_in_shack | samdret, http://packages.debian.org/cgi-bin/search_packages.pl?keywords=php5&searchon=names&subword=1&version=all&release=all |
| 11:55.54 | samdret | or it could be that i have other sites in my sources.list than you have. so that php5 is not an official package yet. |
| 11:56.15 | E-bola | Seb: ahh good idea, would i need ot do the check before running rsync or does rsync somehow support marker files? |
| 11:56.21 | man_in_shack | samdret, that's probably it. what else do you have in your sources.list? |
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| 11:57.50 | theJackal | samdret: Experimental -> Unstable -> testing -> stable |
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| 11:58.04 | man_in_shack | that's what i thought |
| 11:58.12 | samdret | theJackal: my mistake then. |
| 11:58.18 | samdret | man_in_shack: hold on, i'll give you the extra ones. |
| 11:58.19 | sep | E-bola: just check with an 'if fi* statement bash script |
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| 11:59.50 | theJackal | hey all... whos new here? |
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| 11:59.58 | khanman | me |
| 11:59.58 | samdret | i am :/ |
| 12:00.02 | dan3 | I'm new, I just arrived |
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| 12:00.08 | theJackal | whoops -- wrong room XD |
| 12:00.14 | ricky_clarkson | Channel. |
| 12:00.17 | sep | E-bola: make sure the marker file is world writeable then, so if some user rm -rf /disk1 the file also gets deleted, no point in haveing a very secure marker file :) |
| 12:00.27 | theJackal | and wrong word for what i ment XD |
| 12:00.39 | ricky_clarkson | !XD |
| 12:00.39 | dpkg | xD is a one-eyed, stoned, shit-eating grin, or a really funny smily face like :) but better |
| 12:00.39 | E-bola | sep: precisely, also i think ile hide a few markers inside the dir sctructure |
| 12:00.55 | E-bola | so it isnt obvious its a makrer, so somebody deleting directories will delete it too |
| 12:00.58 | E-bola | Thanks alot for the tip |
| 12:01.04 | ricky_clarkson | !XD =~ s/funny/unfunny/ |
| 12:01.04 | dpkg | OK, ricky_clarkson |
| 12:01.09 | ricky_clarkson | !XD =~ s/better/worse/ |
| 12:01.10 | dpkg | ricky_clarkson: OK |
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| 12:01.37 | theJackal | ricky_clarkson: wtf!... |
| 12:01.45 | pestil3nce | theJackal: what? |
| 12:02.09 | theJackal | is there like a manual on this channels dpkg instructs somewher i should have read |
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| 12:02.20 | flowtron | !xD |
| 12:02.20 | dpkg | xD is a one-eyed, stoned, shit-eating grin, or a really unfunny smily face like :) but worse |
| 12:02.25 | ricky_clarkson | theJackal: lololo rtfm roflmao apt-cache show blootbot |
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| 12:02.49 | Jel | can someone help me map ccircumflex to alt-c? I'm reading a page that suggests keycode 54 = C NoSymbol ccircumflex should work with alt-gr, but it makes the normal c key do a ccircumflex. |
| 12:02.51 | zeno | flowtron --> why should it not happen ? :O |
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| 12:03.01 | ricky_clarkson | theJackal: Or /msg dpkg help |
| 12:03.07 | zeno | (was away for a second .. or more ;) ) |
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| 12:03.43 | flowtron | zeno : well, in an ideal universe ... LOL |
| 12:04.17 | ricky_clarkson | !lolstats |
| 12:04.31 | cef | hrm, what's a good way to start a user process at boot? |
| 12:04.50 | zeno | flowtron .. well.. let us first begin with an ideal Zeno! :D |
| 12:04.55 | zeno | that will never happen :D |
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| 12:05.04 | theJackal | hmm, you want the easy/evil or the hard/hellishly nicer way |
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| 12:05.26 | zeno | hmm .. debian is much easier to config then gentoo though :O |
| 12:05.27 | Jel | cef: su in an init script, I guess? |
| 12:05.28 | zeno | ;) |
| 12:05.46 | theJackal | the easy way to start an app at boot would be to tell the kernel that the program you want to run is acutally init.... |
| 12:05.55 | cef | Jel: yeah.. I was hoping for something more generic |
| 12:05.58 | flowtron | zeno : same here ... it's just my standard way of complaining about fragmentation in my (human) RAM, I/O or HDD |
| 12:06.44 | MtG2k | awesome mouse is working now |
| 12:06.44 | cef | Jel: something so that I don't have to write a new init.d script every time I want something to run as a user |
| 12:06.51 | MtG2k | had to start a new lilo.conf |
| 12:06.53 | theJackal | ie at boot: "linux init=/bin/bc" will make you computer about as usefull as a pocket calculator with lots of memory |
| 12:06.56 | MtG2k | but hey its worth it ^^ |
| 12:07.11 | Jel | cef: an init script that fires off ~/.atboot.sh under su for each user, if it exists? |
| 12:07.20 | zeno | Flowtron --> update your brain with a new flash drive! has really helped me out :D |
| 12:07.20 | man_in_shack | hmm ... i wonder if apt-cacher is working right |
| 12:07.23 | MtG2k | thanks peterS |
| 12:07.41 | peterS | MtG2k: hey, cool |
| 12:07.54 | cef | Jel: well I'd still prefer it to be maintained by root, not by the user.. but yeah.. hrm.. oh well, I'll think of something |
| 12:07.55 | man_in_shack | doesn't look like it |
| 12:08.52 | Jel | cef: ahh, you want the initscript that runs ~root/$USER/screwem.sh on boot ;) |
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| 12:10.00 | cef | Jel: that, or just parse commands out of a file that contains '<user> <command>' and runs <command> as <user> |
| 12:10.28 | stv | How could I turn off the PC-internal speaker to just use the sound card for output? |
| 12:10.47 | stv | With Solaris/SPARC I used "audioctl" for this purpose |
| 12:10.57 | cef | 'rmmod pcspeaker' ? |
| 12:11.11 | cef | (I know someone who did that recently to do just that) |
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| 12:11.29 | Jel | stv: a lot of us just disconnect the speaker wire :) |
| 12:11.46 | cef | Jel: not easy in a laptop |
| 12:11.48 | stv | That would be my last resort, too ;-) |
| 12:11.53 | Jel | cef: lol, no :) |
| 12:12.07 | Jel | cef: thankfully mine has a mute button :) |
| 12:12.11 | mosty | stv: it's a terminal setting. see "man setterm" for the console, and "man xset" for X |
| 12:12.25 | Jel | otherwise, it would drive me insane :) |
| 12:12.34 | jm_ | stv: 2.6 kernel has this as an option, but you can turn it off on a per application basis |
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| 12:12.40 | stv | mosty: I'm thinking about playing music using e.g. mpg123(1) |
| 12:12.51 | cef | stv: if 'lsmod|grep pcspeaker' gives you output, try 'rmmod pcspeaker' |
| 12:13.15 | cef | ahh .. pcspkr even |
| 12:13.15 | ricky_clarkson | Anyone else in the UK been having trouble sending SMSs today (I'm on the Orange network)? |
| 12:13.15 | stv | cef: I don't have a module of that name |
| 12:13.37 | mosty | stv: are you talking about the internal "pc speaker", or do you have an onboard soundcard with an onboard speaker? |
| 12:13.56 | Jel | _anyone_ know how to map alt-c to ccircumflex in X? |
| 12:13.58 | stv | mosty: good question ;-) |
| 12:14.23 | cef | stv: 'rmmod pcspkr' perhaps? |
| 12:14.35 | mosty | stv: the internal "pc speaker" only does beeps, unless you run an unusual driver. what kind of computer is this? |
| 12:14.57 | theJackal | hehe.. i just disconnected the speaker jack :D |
| 12:15.07 | stv | cef: nothing that looks like pcspeaker or an abbreviation thereof |
| 12:15.20 | stv | mosty: I hear music from the built-in speaker |
| 12:15.35 | stv | in addition to hearing it from the speaker attached to the sound-card |
| 12:16.02 | cef | stv: looked at any of the mixers for additional outputs you can mute? |
| 12:16.12 | mosty | stv: what kind of machine is it? do you know what the motherboard is? |
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| 12:16.15 | stv | cef: yes, didn't find one |
| 12:16.32 | cef | stv: what sound chip/module? |
| 12:16.33 | resiak | jor: xmodmap? |
| 12:16.36 | theJackal | (smells a compaq) |
| 12:16.42 | stv | mosty: I know that I have an ac97_codec module loaded, so I assume this chip is on the main board |
| 12:16.54 | mosty | stv: ac97 isn't a chip, it's a codec |
| 12:17.00 | theJackal | its both |
| 12:17.01 | stv | ok, I have that one ;-) |
| 12:17.27 | stv | # lsmod | sort | grep ac97 |
| 12:17.28 | stv | ac97_codec 13300 0 [i810_audio] |
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| 12:17.52 | mosty | stv: just open the case and disconnect the internal speaker |
| 12:17.58 | cef | eek! oss! |
| 12:18.10 | stv | mosty: there *should* be a software way of solving the problem |
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| 12:19.01 | theJackal | unless of course.. he has installed his sound system in such a way that console beeps are sent to your REAL sound system :| |
| 12:19.22 | cef | theJackal: that's what pcspkr does afaik |
| 12:19.34 | mosty | stv: "should be" does not mean there actually is |
| 12:19.48 | cef | theJackal: then again, he's using OSS, not alsa |
| 12:19.55 | stv | I would be surprised if that were the case ;-) With SuSE Linux I can do it |
| 12:20.02 | theJackal | pcspkr allows you to turn your standard pc-speaker into a sound device (for playing voice etc) from what ive read |
| 12:20.30 | jm_ | stv: really? try echoing beep character to /dev/tty and see if it beeps (on SuSE) |
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| 12:21.24 | cef | actually I'd guess that SuSE uses alsa, and as I've said before, he's using the old OSS modules |
| 12:21.25 | FieldySnuts | wenas how 2 defrag minix lol lol |
| 12:21.30 | FieldySnuts | should add that to !irritate |
| 12:21.31 | stv | jm_: I don't mind hearing the beeps. I just want to hear *music* from my external speaker, only |
| 12:21.39 | ricky_clarkson | !irrigate Egypt |
| 12:21.43 | ricky_clarkson | Damn, dpkg sucks. |
| 12:21.45 | FieldySnuts | haha |
| 12:21.46 | stv | cef: SuSE uses ALSA |
| 12:21.47 | resiak | Heh. |
| 12:21.53 | theJackal | lol |
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| 12:22.36 | cef | stv: yup. and currently you're using OSS. you need to install the alsa utils at least |
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| 12:22.53 | stv | cef: good advice, I'm currently installing it |
| 12:23.03 | jm_ | stv: well this is not usually the case with PC-s, I guess yours is just different and you have to mute one of the mixers, but try using ALSA instead |
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| 12:23.23 | cef | stv: and possibly a kernel that has alsa support (eg: 2.6, or 2.4 with alsa modules) |
| 12:23.25 | sylvio | hi all |
| 12:23.40 | sylvio | people, how i do floppy boot disk?? |
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| 12:23.43 | djg | Hi, I'm going to be building a firewall for a Internet-accessible small network in the near future and was wondering if anyone had any advice relating to articles, books or FM I should read. |
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| 12:24.10 | flowtron | djg : shorewall |
| 12:24.22 | FieldySnuts | ipkungfu |
| 12:24.23 | cef | jm_: I have i8x0 audio here, and the oss drivers don't support half the functions the alsa drivers do |
| 12:24.29 | sylvio | help |
| 12:24.29 | jm_ | djg: or smoothwall if you want a distro dedicated to such role |
| 12:24.31 | sylvio | people, how i do floppy boot disk?? |
| 12:24.52 | jm_ | cef: yes, people are not updating them, except for some minor things |
| 12:25.01 | djg | jm_, I'd rather stick to Debian. |
| 12:25.07 | ricky_clarkson | sylvio: mkboot |
| 12:25.11 | djg | flowtron, Thanks, reading now. |
| 12:25.24 | sylvio | people, how i do floppy boot disk, to installing it for NFS |
| 12:25.40 | jm_ | djg: well then read iptables docs, and http://iptables-tutorial.frozentux.net/ |
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| 12:25.57 | sylvio | ricky_clarkson: mkboot build boot disk to installation?? |
| 12:26.08 | ricky_clarkson | sylvio: man mkboot |
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| 12:26.31 | djg | jm_, Thanks. |
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| 12:26.43 | sylvio | ricky_clarkson: thanks |
| 12:26.51 | PerfDave | djg: I'd look at IPCop, read the documentation at http://www.netfilter.org/ and read "TCP/IP Illustrated vol. 1" |
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| 12:27.51 | djg | PerfDave, Where does that sit in the scheme of things? |
| 12:28.21 | PerfDave | djg: In what scheme of things? A sound understanding of TCP/IP is essential to firewall creation. |
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| 12:28.50 | djg | PerfDave, I meant IPCop |
| 12:28.53 | Ronin` | djg: small linux distro dedicated firewall runs on just about any pos computer you have laying around |
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| 12:29.27 | djg | Ronin`, So it's an equivalent to smoothwall? |
| 12:29.30 | RichiH | to be exact, ipcop will work on a 396 with 16 mb ram |
| 12:29.35 | RichiH | 386* |
| 12:29.36 | cef | also lartc is useful too |
| 12:29.37 | PerfDave | djg: http://www.ipcop.org/ - it's a pure-GPL fork of Smoothwall, though Smoothwall now has a pure-GPL offering anyway. IIRC IPCop is community-developed, and Smoothwall's development is controlled by a company. |
| 12:29.42 | nostromo^ | How do I create Sent/Trash/Drafts folders on a courier-imap server, that are not subdirectories of the main Inbox? |
| 12:30.19 | RichiH | PerfDave: the reason why ipcop split was that smoothwall refused to implement a feature or two |
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| 12:31.03 | PerfDave | RichiH: *nods* Didn't they have said features in their paid-for version and not want to make it less marketable or something? |
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| 12:31.26 | Ronin` | PerfDave: as i recall yes that was part of it |
| 12:31.43 | djg | PerfDave, RichiH, Ronin`, what do you use for your firewalls? |
| 12:31.51 | Ronin` | djg: ipcop |
| 12:31.55 | Ronin` | couldn't you tell? |
| 12:32.00 | Gumby | am I correct to assume that if I dd an OS disk and that disk was bootable that the file I write to should be bootable as well? (ie: an iso for vmware) |
| 12:32.15 | jm_ | djg: I have a custom made script |
| 12:32.26 | RichiH | PerfDave: something like that. i was talking to the head dev back then and he just told me he was pissed about unwillingness to implement features |
| 12:32.26 | djg | Ronin`, I'm trying to make as few assumptions as possible. :) |
| 12:32.31 | PerfDave | djg: My home connection just has a NAT device built in to the ADSL modem, and Linux boxes behind it secured with iptables. |
| 12:32.49 | RichiH | djg: at my dad's company: ipcop. at my place: pos router |
| 12:32.52 | djg | PerfDave, So you basically rolled your own like jm_? |
| 12:33.12 | PerfDave | djg: No, I used Bastille to secure my linux boxes, and don't have a proper firewall. |
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| 12:33.32 | coachz_ | hi |
| 12:33.32 | PerfDave | djg: My work connection doesn't have a firewall, but isn't connected directly to the Internet. We're looking at rolling our own Debian-based firewall or using IPCop when we do get direct connectivity. |
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| 12:33.55 | coachz_ | Is there a .deb package for Postgres 8 yet ? |
| 12:34.12 | PerfDave | !info postgresql-server sid |
| 12:34.29 | jm_ | I now use non-Debian distro on my firewall (but it's absed on Debian), although I'll look at Debian hardened project if I decide to reinstall it |
| 12:34.41 | PerfDave | coachz_: Doesn't look like there's an official Debian package |
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| 12:34.50 | RichiH | jm_: it changed its name ages ago |
| 12:34.53 | coachz_ | man, i'm dying on the vine |
| 12:35.03 | RichiH | jm_: the debian project forced/asked them to |
| 12:35.05 | PerfDave | coachz_: Make one! :) |
| 12:35.27 | thegraham | I'm having some difficulty setting up multiple displays from my laptops dual headed graphics card. I have followed a the tutorial at http://www.linuxdig.com/howto/ldp/Xinerama-HOWTO.php, but I just have two identical desktops on both monitors. Also does anyone know when x.org will be introduced to debian? |
| 12:35.28 | coachz_ | Version: 7.4.6-7 is all i see and i don't know how to make one |
| 12:35.35 | RichiH | jm_: where gentoo is hosting gentoo hardened and trying to merge it back with main, at some point |
| 12:35.51 | GregM | hi trying to use poptop for windows clients on a woody server does it require a patch to operate? |
| 12:35.52 | RichiH | one of the very few points where gentoo is slightly better, from my pov |
| 12:35.59 | PerfDave | coachz_: You could just compile it into /usr/local and use equivs to let apt know. |
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| 12:36.05 | jm_ | RichiH: ehh? http://www.debian-hardened.org/ |
| 12:36.07 | djg | PerfDave, That TCP/IP book sounds like a regular doorstop. |
| 12:36.21 | coachz_ | PerfDave, i have a lot to learn |
| 12:36.23 | petemc | GregM: it needs a patch for encryption to work afaicr |
| 12:36.23 | PerfDave | djg: It is, but it's well worth it. It's the most useful geek book I've read. |
| 12:36.24 | RichiH | jm_: wtf |
| 12:36.34 | RichiH | jm_: i am positive that site used to redirect |
| 12:36.36 | PerfDave | coachz_: /msg dpkg usrlocal |
| 12:36.46 | jm_ | RichiH: it was pretty much the same in December |
| 12:36.47 | PerfDave | coachz_: And follow the Postgres build instructions with the advice from dpkg in mind |
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| 12:37.07 | coachz_ | yeah, i always put it in /usr/local |
| 12:37.15 | djg | PerfDave, Is it a good read though? There's no point in me buying a book of which I can only read 10 pages before falling asleep? |
| 12:37.36 | PerfDave | djg: I think so. It's informative, clearly written, illustrated with many examples. |
| 12:37.49 | RichiH | jm_: then it changed back at some point. the news say they are hosted on alioth, too |
| 12:37.59 | RichiH | jm_: this is good news :) |
| 12:38.00 | ricky_clarkson | And written by Dave Page? |
| 12:38.01 | PerfDave | djg: The only real problem with it is that it covers quite a lot of stuff you probably won't need (like RIP and BGP routing protocols) |
| 12:38.23 | ricky_clarkson | djg: I wrote a IP stack with just the RFCs. |
| 12:38.25 | djg | PerfDave, I hope I don't need, because I've never heard of them. |
| 12:38.26 | PerfDave | djg: The best bit is that it's got all these examples from like SunOS 2 and shit, and it's still exactly the same today :) |
| 12:38.39 | jm_ | RichiH: yup |
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| 12:38.49 | PerfDave | djg: If you're not deploying your own software-based router, you won't need it. |
| 12:39.02 | jm_ | this looks a lot like Adamantix, except package building is more automated in Adamantix |
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| 12:39.40 | RichiH | jm_: i see they are targeting sid and act as an extra repo instead of a standalone distro, now |
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| 12:40.01 | RichiH | jm_: this means i might actually install that baby on my box |
| 12:40.13 | jm_ | RichiH: yes, they just add a few vital packages, which makes it even a better choice |
| 12:40.13 | djg | PerfDave, No, I just need to know enough to setup a firewall to redirect a few well-known TCP services, but enough to be able to sleep at night knowing some 14 year old isn't breaking into the network. |
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| 12:40.40 | PerfDave | djg: It's the best book for getting a thorough understanding of how TCP/IP works, which is really what you need for firewalls. |
| 12:40.47 | dan2 | asg: hey |
| 12:40.53 | djg | PerfDave, OK, I'm sold. :) |
| 12:41.07 | djg | PerfDave, You don't work for the publisher do you? ;) |
| 12:41.28 | jm_ | well add=replace |
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| 12:41.36 | PerfDave | djg: Nope, I was given a copy by an old boss when I guilt-tripped him about laying me off ;) |
| 12:41.58 | RichiH | jm_: indee |
| 12:42.00 | RichiH | d |
| 12:42.53 | djg | PerfDave, Hmm, no paperback version. :( |
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| 12:43.31 | Silensius | which is the command to upgrade only one package whith apt-get |
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| 12:43.42 | djg | Thanks for your help everyone. |
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| 12:43.49 | jm_ | Silensius: how do you install one package? |
| 12:44.01 | Silensius | whit apt-get install package |
| 12:44.06 | jm_ | there's your answer |
| 12:44.11 | Silensius | thanks |
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| 12:45.36 | kadambi | when will the "sarge" be released? |
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| 12:45.42 | caphuso | kadambi: /msg dpkg wwsr |
| 12:45.53 | PHPKoder | Can enyone help me a bit with Debian installation ??? |
| 12:46.21 | valdyn_ | <PROTECTED> |
| 12:46.42 | PlanarPlatypus | PHPKoder: probably..... |
| 12:46.51 | PHPKoder | I really new to debian and i cannot make it work |
| 12:47.04 | PHPKoder | so after first step and the base system has installed |
| 12:47.10 | directhex|work | PHPKoder, which version of debian, what hardware? |
| 12:47.20 | PHPKoder | Debian 3 (woody) |
| 12:47.36 | directhex|work | PHPKoder, desktop or frontline server? |
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| 12:47.53 | PHPKoder | and after the base system installation with tasksel i selected some packages |
| 12:48.04 | PHPKoder | okay after that the system seems to be worked |
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| 12:48.12 | PHPKoder | now i cannot start X Window System |
| 12:48.25 | PerfDave | PHPKoder: /msg dpkg troubleshooting x |
| 12:48.37 | directhex|work | you just _KNOW_ he's got a graphics card unsupported by woody |
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| 12:48.55 | directhex|work | but he refuses to answer my very simple questions, so... |
| 12:48.56 | PHPKoder | I have a Matrox G200 8Mb of Ram ??? |
| 12:49.05 | PHPKoder | is this unsuported ? |
| 12:49.08 | caphuso | that one is supported |
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| 12:49.21 | directhex|work | makes a change -_- |
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| 12:50.49 | runa | I like X -configure much more than other manual configurators |
| 12:51.09 | runa | I don't know why it's not the default way to configure it |
| 12:51.10 | PerfDave | runa: Except that fucks debconf |
| 12:51.16 | PerfDave | runa: /msg dpkg x md5sum |
| 12:51.26 | valdyn_ | !matrox |
| 12:51.26 | dpkg | well, matrox is they may not be the fastest cards around but at least they make some effort to work with the Open Source community unlike some manufactures, *cough*nVidia*cough*...... |
| 12:51.57 | PerfDave | Yeah, nVidia make no effort to work with the Open Source community. It's not like they're the only decent 3d cards for Linux or anything. |
| 12:51.57 | directhex|work | dpkg, matrox is also of course, drivers for any card built this millenium are binary-only for obsolete versions of Red Hat |
| 12:51.58 | dpkg | directhex|work: okay |
| 12:52.02 | theJackal | dude.. if NV went open source... ati would steal its ideas. |
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| 12:52.34 | valdyn_ | i do feel pity for the nvidia developers.. fixing api every linux 2.6.x-rcx |
| 12:52.39 | directhex|work | there are a million reasons ati or nv couldn't open-source their drivers |
| 12:52.42 | runa | PerfDave: why it's bad that dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xfree86 don't work? |
| 12:52.44 | stv | Using ALSA didn't work ;-( |
| 12:53.02 | PerfDave | runa: Because it means that migrating between x versions won't happen automatically. |
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| 12:53.45 | directhex|work | the best thing that could happen for open-source 3D is the open graphics project people give up on making new silicon, and get full rights to no-name kit such as the xgi volari series, which aolready has fully capable silicon but rather shoddy windows-only drivers |
| 12:54.39 | valdyn_ | directhex|work: what about techsource's project? |
| 12:54.57 | runa | PerfDave: well. anyway, I was never able to configure X using debconf (and never had a problem upgrading), so I'll keep using X -configure |
| 12:55.20 | PerfDave | runa: You're entitled to do that, but I wouldn't advocate breaking debconf to a newbie. |
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| 12:56.15 | takatumi | runa: try running dexconf, followed by dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xfree86 |
| 12:56.16 | runa | PerfDave: ok |
| 12:56.19 | directhex|work | valdyn_, those would be the open graphics project people. they don't have the resources to make new silicon, from scratch, which could compete. better to get ahold of existing silicon & make good on the drivers |
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| 12:56.40 | coachz_ | oops |
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| 12:56.52 | valdyn_ | directhex|work: yea, i see |
| 12:56.58 | runa | takatumi: um? to do what? |
| 12:57.00 | Indal | hmm is tehre a way to restrict grep to one match only within a file, and display it? |
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| 12:57.16 | PerfDave | Indal: grep | head -1 |
| 12:57.29 | PerfDave | Indal: grep -m 1 |
| 12:57.34 | PerfDave | Indal: man grep |
| 12:57.39 | takatumi | runa: if it doesn't apply to you, never mind. |
| 12:57.41 | Indal | thanks PerfDave, was looking but couldn't see iot |
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| 12:58.18 | yosi | Hi! I have deleted a file i would desperatly want to restore, i use reiserFS and deleted the file with 'rm'. help! |
| 12:58.42 | takatumi | yosi: restore from backup |
| 12:58.50 | valdyn_ | yosi: unmount that partition and grep for that files contents, undeleting is unpossible |
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| 12:59.23 | yosi | valdyn_: okay, what is the command do grep a file from ~/? |
| 12:59.29 | yosi | to* |
| 12:59.36 | valdyn_ | yosi: no, you unmount it |
| 12:59.41 | yosi | ye, and then? |
| 12:59.49 | valdyn_ | yosi: then you grep "content" /dev/hdxx |
| 12:59.58 | yosi | k, thanks |
| 13:00.06 | Piru | yosi, first of all, unmount it right now. the longer the system keeps writing stuff to it, the less chances you have of grepping it |
| 13:00.14 | yosi | k bye :P |
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| 13:01.17 | jojo | yosi, Take a look at http://www.antrix.net/journal/techtalk/reiserfs_data_recovery_howto.html |
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| 13:02.14 | jojo | How do you configure APT to use an HTTP proxy? |
| 13:02.20 | morgan | this is a real newbie question... but how do i exit x and get to the console |
| 13:02.21 | morgan | ? |
| 13:02.30 | jojo | morgan, cltr-alt f1 |
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| 13:02.38 | valdyn_ | now that guy recommends to reiserfsck, not sure thats a good idea.. |
| 13:02.54 | xtream | morgan: if u wanna exit the X ctrl+alt+backspace |
| 13:03.30 | morgan | jojo, thanx |
| 13:03.38 | morgan | xtream, thanks |
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| 13:05.56 | takatumi | valdyn_: http://marc.theaimsgroup.com/?l=reiserfs&m=104861318421306&w=2 |
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| 13:08.07 | valdyn_ | takatumi: thanks |
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| 13:09.39 | TheLittleWitch|a | I'm gonna install a debian a64 sata system, what cd has sata install support ? |
| 13:10.18 | takatumi | a64==amd64? |
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| 13:10.49 | prog | a64 - is intel a64, amd 64 is amd |
| 13:10.53 | morgan | what command is it to se what processe are running? |
| 13:11.00 | prog | top, ps |
| 13:11.06 | takatumi | !amd64 |
| 13:11.06 | dpkg | hmm... amd64 is See http://www.debian.org/ports/amd64/ and the #debian-amd64 IRC channel, or https://alioth.debian.org/docman/view.php/30192/21/debian-amd64-howto.html See http://debian-amd64.alioth.debian.org/install-images/ for ISOs. unofficial at the moment, will be a supported arch on Etch (Sarge + 1) |
| 13:11.21 | p2-mate | prog: you mean IA64 ? |
| 13:11.24 | TheLittleWitch|a | amd64 with sata disk |
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| 13:11.43 | mufa | TheLittleWitch|a: you want to install debian for i386 or for amd64 ? |
| 13:11.50 | TheLittleWitch|a | amd64 |
| 13:11.51 | valdyn_ | TheLittleWitch|a: sata does not need a special disk, drivers are in the standard image |
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| 13:12.05 | prog | p2-mate: ohh, i miss (i) |
| 13:12.35 | morgan | what command is it to se what processe are running? |
| 13:12.38 | resiak | morgan: ps |
| 13:12.49 | takatumi | morgan: try pstree as well. |
| 13:12.52 | mufa | TheLittleWitch|a: just be carefull to change fstab if you upgrade from kernel 2.4 to 2.6 |
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| 13:13.12 | morgan | thanks |
| 13:13.28 | TheLittleWitch|a | mufa: ok, so i can use bf24 when i install ? |
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| 13:13.32 | valdyn_ | TheLittleWitch|a: you should not really do that |
| 13:13.35 | jm_ | bf24 doesn't indicate Sarge |
| 13:13.43 | valdyn_ | TheLittleWitch|a: and I very much doubt its supported |
| 13:13.50 | takatumi | TheLittleWitch|a: no, read what dpkg said above. follow that link. |
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| 13:14.14 | resiak | takatumi: He's not talking about amd64. |
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| 13:14.21 | CoffMan | hi |
| 13:14.31 | takatumi | resiak: TheLittleWitc | amd64 with sata disk |
| 13:14.37 | CoffMan | how can i obtain php4-cli on a debian stable ???? there r no apt-get |
| 13:14.38 | resiak | takatumi: Ah. |
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| 13:15.04 | valdyn_ | TheLittleWitch|a: are you aware that you do not need to run debian-amd64, but can run debian-i386 just fine? |
| 13:15.07 | jm_ | CoffMan: yes there is |
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| 13:15.59 | valdyn_ | TheLittleWitch|a: and unless you have special requirements, running debian-amd64 instead of debian-i386 is a bad idea |
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| 13:16.17 | takatumi | valdyn_: why? have you tried it? |
| 13:16.19 | mosty | coffman, which debian release? |
| 13:16.23 | theJackal | unless you want to run povray ... or dont mind compling from source |
| 13:16.36 | valdyn_ | takatumi: yea i use them both, depending on how i feel, both installed |
| 13:16.50 | morgan | when i try to use ctrl+alt+backspace... i return to the gnome login thing... how do shutdown x and return to console? |
| 13:16.50 | takatumi | valdyn_: was thinking of buying one. |
| 13:16.58 | resiak | !tell morgan about nodm |
| 13:17.12 | mosty | morgan: permanently or temporarily? |
| 13:17.12 | petemc | morgan: ctl alt f1 , as root, /etc/init.d/gdm stop |
| 13:17.15 | resiak | morgan: or /etc/init.d/gdm stop |
| 13:17.23 | valdyn_ | takatumi: oh, the cpu? its great, but its great in i386 too, and having 64bit doesnt make your system better in itself |
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| 13:18.31 | morgan | thaanks.. |
| 13:18.37 | mosty | coffman, oh woody. is there a php4-cgi package? that is probably just as good |
| 13:18.46 | valdyn_ | takatumi: i do use amd64 on a viakt800 ( or somesuch ) board. Via rocks, because driver support is just excellent |
| 13:18.50 | mrwill | mosty: yes, that package exists. |
| 13:18.50 | travisat | morgan: or killall gdm |
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| 13:19.39 | GregM | can anyone point me in the direstion of a server that can suply a mppe patch for vpn on a woody kernel? |
| 13:19.48 | pingouin | i wanted to upgrade my BX440 and P3 450 mhz i wonder how the amd64 my retaillers propose to me was suported on linux, not easy as i can see no ? |
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| 13:19.59 | pingouin | seeing the uper links |
| 13:20.12 | takatumi | valdyn_: "The userland is entirely 64bit, taking advantage of the additional CPU registers, no lower and upper memory segmentation and the ability to address more then 4GB per process." This sounded good. |
| 13:20.18 | pingouin | official in sarge +1 ?!! |
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| 13:20.26 | pingouin | in an eon.... |
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| 13:20.41 | valdyn_ | takatumi: depending on what you do theres things that have a bigger impact on performance |
| 13:20.51 | Newport | hi i got a new card.. nvidia... i downloaded the drivers from nvidia website and installed.. i changed xf86config-4 to use "nvidia" but X will not start.. it says cant load module GLcorem glx & speedo.. please help :) |
| 13:21.02 | resiak | pingouin: Right now, amd64 is not a supported release of Debian. However, some people here run amd64 Sid. The main problem is that applications that have not been rebuilt for amd64 (as I understand it) run in a chroot. |
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| 13:21.22 | valdyn_ | takatumi: mplayer, mencoder, various codecs all have assembly optimised routines, yielding better performance in 32 bit mode |
| 13:21.23 | resiak | Newport: First mistake: you should have read the documentation. |
| 13:21.23 | flowtron | newport : did you load the nvidia-modules? |
| 13:21.23 | Newport | GLcorem = GLcore |
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| 13:21.47 | pingouin | resiak: yep it's that i see on url dpkg past ealier :/ i guess i gonna get classic xp atlon or p4 system |
| 13:21.49 | resiak | Newport: Second mistake: you should probably have used the Nvidia driver installers. |
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| 13:22.07 | pingouin | anything is faster that what i have now |
| 13:22.07 | valdyn_ | takatumi: so it depends on what you want to do, its entirely possible that an app runs twice as fast in 32 bit mode |
| 13:22.11 | Newport | resiak, i thought i read it. did i miss something? also i used their installer |
| 13:22.13 | fatal_ | resiak: first mistake was to buy a nvidia card... ;P |
| 13:22.19 | resiak | !tell Newport about nvidia one-liner |
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| 13:22.35 | resiak | Newport: You're supposed to disable at least one of those GL modules. I can't remember which offhand. |
| 13:22.40 | flowtron | !tell flowtron about nvidia one-liner |
| 13:22.49 | resiak | flowtron: /msg dpkg factoid |
| 13:22.54 | resiak | fatal_: Heh. |
| 13:23.02 | valdyn_ | takatumi: oh and finally, the various extensions ( 3dnow, sse2 etc ) are already up to 128 bit on a 32 bit cpu |
| 13:23.02 | pingouin | resiak: dont listen fatal_ , nvidia rocks on linux, ati's shit ;) |
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| 13:23.21 | resiak | Newport: Oh, and now that you've edited XF86config-4, dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xfree86 will no longer work. |
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| 13:23.26 | resiak | pingouin: I have one. I know. |
| 13:23.28 | jm_ | GLcore should be disabled with nvidia, it's in README |
| 13:23.30 | takatumi | resiak: "The debian "pure64" port for AMD64 and EM64T based systems is, as the name states, thoroughly 64bit. More than 97% of all source packages in unstable have been ported. Pure64 is installable using a pre-release of the Debian-Installer." |
| 13:23.31 | fatal_ | pingouin: open source drivers rock on linux... .binary is shit. |
| 13:23.47 | morgan | how do i boot to console instead of GDM login at startup? |
| 13:23.49 | Newport | Package nvidia-kernel-source is not available |
| 13:23.55 | resiak | Newport: Read the entire factoid., |
| 13:24.06 | jm_ | morggin: /msg dpkg nodm |
| 13:24.06 | Newport | i have non-free |
| 13:24.11 | resiak | Newport: You don't have unstable. |
| 13:24.12 | jm_ | morgan: /msg dpkg nodm |
| 13:24.19 | nevyn | takatumi: this won't make sarge tho? |
| 13:24.27 | kadambi | <PROTECTED> |
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| 13:24.32 | takatumi | nevyn: no, ethc. |
| 13:24.38 | takatumi | *etch |
| 13:24.40 | nevyn | takatumi: :( |
| 13:24.44 | nevyn | etch? |
| 13:24.44 | tanXner | bye |
| 13:24.57 | valdyn_ | takatumi: thats true, gtk1 apps compile and install just fine, just dont run ( at least those few i tried ) on amd64 |
| 13:24.58 | takatumi | !etch |
| 13:24.58 | dpkg | [etch] the codename for the Debian release to follow sarge. See http://www.debian.org/releases/etch/ |
| 13:24.59 | resiak | Newport: That's why we put a reference to simple sid/sarge mix in the factoid. |
| 13:25.03 | nevyn | ah |
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| 13:25.55 | Newport | resiak how do i add untable to "deb ftp://ftp.debian.org/debian/ ..." |
| 13:26.00 | resiak | takatumi: Oh, okay. I haven't heard much from directhex lately about it, so I guess things have changed. |
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| 13:26.08 | morgan | jm_, tanks |
| 13:26.11 | resiak | !tell Newport about quick sid/sarge mix |
| 13:26.15 | takatumi | valdyn_: I don't use any gtk1 much. |
| 13:26.24 | resiak | Newport: We said to see also that for a reason |
| 13:26.30 | valdyn_ | takatumi: nor do i ). |
| 13:26.52 | takatumi | s/1/1 apps/ |
| 13:26.55 | bactis | do i really need unload support for my kernel? |
| 13:27.00 | jojo | Is it possible to use gcc-2.95 as the primary gcc compiler in unstable? How? |
| 13:27.09 | theJackal | my gtk theme switcher keeps putting (null) instead of /usr/share/themes in my gtkrc files >:( |
| 13:27.12 | caphuso | jojo: basically no |
| 13:27.14 | takatumi | bactis: why don't you want it? |
| 13:27.18 | mosty | jojo: what do you mean by "primary" ? |
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| 13:27.31 | djg | Hi, can I monitor a specific terminal? |
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| 13:27.58 | jm_ | djg: since you're asking - I think you can't |
| 13:27.58 | djg | That is, a terminal someone else is using. |
| 13:28.08 | djg | jm_, very funny. |
| 13:28.14 | jm_ | djg: isn't it? |
| 13:28.15 | jojo | mosty, Basically that /usr/bin/gcc and the likes point to 2.95. But I really don't need it, what I really want is to be able to compile Linux 2.2.26 and it doesn't work with gcc 3.3 |
| 13:28.17 | directhex|work | fatal_, dri on r200 is fine if you don't care about anyting like 'speed', 'opengl features', 'being able to play an actual game', etc |
| 13:28.22 | djg | Is it possible to monitor a terminal? |
| 13:28.25 | jm_ | yes |
| 13:28.36 | djg | jm_, how would one do so? |
| 13:28.37 | resiak | djg: You can. |
| 13:28.48 | caphuso | jojo: edit the toplevel Makefile and change gcc to gcc-2.95 |
| 13:28.50 | jm_ | djg: apt-cache show ttysnoop |
| 13:28.56 | bactis | takatumi: i missed the configuration while configuring the kernel, now everything goes fine except, there are FATAL Kernel does not have unload support messages during the boot |
| 13:29.02 | mosty | jojo: what caphuso said |
| 13:29.02 | djg | jm_, thanks. |
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| 13:29.15 | djg | jm_, does that work for remote sessions as well? |
| 13:29.24 | jm_ | djg: read description for it |
| 13:29.27 | bactis | takatumi: i don't know if this is bad or not |
| 13:29.44 | douglas | i have finished my installation of debian, and i did not installed anything (just the basic install) |
| 13:30.01 | douglas | when i run nmap on it, it list me the following ports |
| 13:30.06 | douglas | 554, 7070, 21 |
| 13:30.25 | douglas | how to disable these services |
| 13:30.28 | douglas | ? |
| 13:30.42 | theJackal | nmap -sV -vvv -O localhost -T insane |
| 13:30.46 | jm_ | douglas: find out the tools that listen on given ports, then disable them |
| 13:30.56 | theJackal | that should tell you what they are exactly |
| 13:30.57 | lu | kernel basics question, with kernel 2.6 and debian unstable- "do i need a initrd?", i get kernel panic everytime I've done a make-kpkg builpackage compile |
| 13:31.00 | directhex|work | 7070? not in /etc/services |
| 13:31.06 | douglas | nope |
| 13:31.13 | jm_ | lu: custom compiled kernels don't need initrd |
| 13:31.16 | runa | lu: afaik, no |
| 13:31.17 | resiak | douglas: What does nmap tell you they are? |
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| 13:31.29 | mosty | douglas: netstat -na | grep LISTEN |
| 13:31.33 | douglas | wait... let me put the output here |
| 13:31.34 | theJackal | are you attacking from the same machine or a different one? |
| 13:31.36 | jm_ | lu: or to put it properly, usually don't need it (read the FAQ) |
| 13:31.38 | directhex|work | lu, you don't need an initrd, as long as you get it right when building (i.e. static compile for everything needed to boot) |
| 13:31.40 | resiak | lu: You do unless you compile everything you need into the kernel. |
| 13:31.41 | runa | lu: check if you have ide support compiled inside the kernel (not module) |
| 13:31.42 | douglas | a different one |
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| 13:31.52 | jm_ | mosty: -nap is more useful |
| 13:31.54 | douglas | that is just a server on my network |
| 13:31.59 | theJackal | hmm... |
| 13:32.02 | resiak | lu: From the sound of things, you didn't, so you have two solutions: a) make an initrd; b) compile in what you need. |
| 13:32.02 | douglas | i want just to make it more secure |
| 13:32.21 | takatumi | bactis: this is from the config help screen. "Without this option you will not be able to unload any modules (note that some modules may not be unloadable anyway), which makes your kernel slightly smaller and simpler. If unsure, say Y" |
| 13:32.28 | paulswm | lu: don't need initrd provided you compile into the kernel everything needed to boot and mount the root filesystem, that is, possibly inclid=uding netwrok stuff |
| 13:32.44 | paulswm | heh, resiak already said it |
| 13:32.47 | lu | ok, static kernels don't need ->"initrd"? and dynamic kernels with modules do? |
| 13:32.48 | resiak | paulswm: :) |
| 13:32.48 | Newport | resiak, my apt.conf just contains the lines "APT::Default-Release "testing";" is that right? |
| 13:32.52 | takatumi | bactis: does that look right to you? |
| 13:32.53 | jm_ | lu: no |
| 13:32.56 | resiak | Newport: Very much so. |
| 13:33.00 | jojo | mosty, I tried it before but it didn't seem to work.. I gave it another try now and made slightly diffrent changes to the makefile and it seems to compile just fine now. Thanks. |
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| 13:33.23 | jm_ | Newport: Sarge is a better option |
| 13:33.25 | directhex|work | lu, no, you need an initrd if you don't make static the modules for booting your system (i.e. filesystem, disk controller). other stuff you can modularise |
| 13:33.26 | bactis | takatumi: sounds good if the kernel is smaller or not? |
| 13:34.15 | lu | which is faster, initrd? or non-initrd? |
| 13:34.27 | resiak | lu: Neither once it boots. |
| 13:34.42 | djg | jm_, thanks. |
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| 13:34.48 | resiak | lu: initrds are kinda hacky, but they work. |
| 13:34.51 | douglas | here are the output |
| 13:34.53 | douglas | 21/tcp open ftp |
| 13:34.53 | douglas | 53/tcp open domain |
| 13:34.54 | douglas | 443/tcp open https |
| 13:34.54 | douglas | 554/tcp open rtsp |
| 13:34.54 | douglas | 7070/tcp open realserver |
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| 13:34.57 | jm_ | heh |
| 13:35.09 | lu | Could someone please refer me to the FAQ of which modules must be static for non initrd kernel builids |
| 13:35.11 | Newport | resiak, the factoid says "duplicate your sarge lines and change one set to sid" ... can u eleborate on that please? |
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| 13:35.19 | takatumi | bactis: if that help line didn't clarify it, I give up. |
| 13:35.28 | douglas | 21/tcp open ftp |
| 13:35.31 | jm_ | lu: /msg dpkg norootfs |
| 13:35.34 | douglas | 53/tcp open domain |
| 13:35.35 | jm_ | douglas: stop it |
| 13:35.40 | douglas | ok |
| 13:35.47 | douglas | did you saw that ? |
| 13:35.58 | jm_ | yes - we also told you what to do |
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| 13:36.16 | travisat | douglas: no my blade was bent |
| 13:36.35 | takatumi | douglas: you just pasted enough information to stress you firewall all week. |
| 13:36.37 | Newport | travisat, LOL |
| 13:36.44 | takatumi | s/you/your |
| 13:37.12 | resiak | Newport: You have lines with deb http://yourmirror/ testing main contrib non-free and a corresponding deb-src line. Copy and paste them so that you have two identical pairs of lines. Now change one set's "testing" to "unstable". |
| 13:37.15 | theJackal | aha... a vi/vim fan :) |
| 13:37.23 | directhex|work | Newport, copy and paste the existing "deb http://foo.bar.org/debian testing main" line, change the second one to 'sid' instead of 'testing' |
| 13:37.35 | directhex|work | nah, resiak iexplained it much better |
| 13:37.43 | directhex|work | !cookie resiak |
| 13:37.44 | takatumi | theJackal: who? |
| 13:37.51 | resiak | Hahah. |
| 13:37.59 | resiak | Of all the factoids dpkg could have chosen. |
| 13:38.02 | directhex|work | XD |
| 13:38.19 | resiak | !botsnack |
| 13:38.20 | dpkg | thanks, resiak |
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| 13:39.03 | theJackal | tatatumi: you are..... |
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| 13:39.14 | idnar | very evil? |
| 13:39.17 | theJackal | s/tatatumi/takatumi |
| 13:39.18 | takatumi | theJackal: I am not sold yet, undecided. |
| 13:39.22 | resiak | idnar: So it is said. |
| 13:39.39 | idnar | wtf. |
| 13:39.42 | paulswm | what, like mold |
| 13:39.43 | Delph | resiak: you can get a cream for that >.< |
| 13:39.51 | resiak | Heh. |
| 13:39.54 | theJackal | %s/undecided/devoted |
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| 13:40.00 | idnar | darcs is written in Haskall |
| 13:40.09 | resiak | :badphrasingsmite me |
| 13:40.21 | takatumi | !smitesmite resiak |
| 13:40.34 | directhex|work | !smitesmite smitesmite |
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| 13:40.52 | ricky_clarkson | !irritate directhex|work |
| 13:40.52 | dpkg | directhex|work: HELP ME!!! how can I make my mepis werkz U FUX0RZ |
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| 13:41.25 | directhex|work | !badger ricky_clarkson |
| 13:41.26 | dpkg | ENOUGH |
| 13:41.28 | directhex|work | :( |
| 13:41.38 | ricky_clarkson | Hehe. |
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| 13:41.47 | directhex|work | you win this round, clarkson! |
| 13:42.06 | ricky_clarkson | directhex|work: I win. Full stop. |
| 13:42.08 | ricky_clarkson | Period. |
| 13:42.12 | ricky_clarkson | Sentence Delimiter. |
| 13:42.13 | takatumi | !unsmite resiak |
| 13:42.19 | takatumi | :) |
| 13:42.20 | directhex|work | !lose ricky_clarkson |
| 13:42.21 | dpkg | ricky_clarkson: You Lose. |
| 13:42.24 | resiak | !botabuse |
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| 13:42.25 | dpkg | lay off me you buggerererers!!11! |
| 13:42.28 | theJackal | !irritate theJackal |
| 13:42.29 | dpkg | theJackal: Y iz debain so old? who uses sound hello? |
| 13:42.39 | caphuso | am i allowed to join the game? >:-) |
| 13:42.48 | takatumi | /msg the bots please. |
| 13:42.49 | directhex|work | !dachs caphuso |
| 13:42.49 | dpkg | caphuso: Dachs Dachs Dachs Dachs Dachs Dachs Pilz Pilz Dachs Dachs Dachs Dachs Dachs Schlange! Eine Schlange! |
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| 13:43.02 | theJackal | !xD |
| 13:43.02 | dpkg | xD is a one-eyed, stoned, shit-eating grin, or a really unfunny smily face like :) but worse |
| 13:43.19 | directhex|work | !^_^ |
| 13:43.19 | dpkg | ^_^ is, like, some dumb anime smilie/emoticon thing. |
| 13:43.26 | directhex|work | okay, enough now. |
| 13:43.35 | caphuso | but let me get the rules straight... the last able to use !foo in the channel wins, right? |
| 13:43.37 | WorkerII | !kick xD |
| 13:43.54 | resiak | caphuso: I fear what you're going to do. |
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| 13:44.08 | directhex|work | !smite solaris for being hosted on crappy sun sevrers without rnough bandwidth to go around |
| 13:44.25 | zeno | Hi to all again!! :D |
| 13:44.28 | zeno | zeno = back . |
| 13:44.30 | resiak | !speelingsmite Delph |
| 13:44.32 | resiak | Uh. |
| 13:44.39 | resiak | !kick tabcompletion |
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| 13:44.54 | theJackal | !kick init |
| 13:45.06 | zeno | can anyone tell me ... what is wrong with the following SMB.CONF (samba config file) .. I cannot write to the folder from windows .. |
| 13:45.10 | zeno | [www] |
| 13:45.10 | zeno | <PROTECTED> |
| 13:45.10 | zeno | <PROTECTED> |
| 13:45.10 | zeno | <PROTECTED> |
| 13:45.10 | zeno | <PROTECTED> |
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| 13:45.13 | Newport | resiak, using the single command in the factiod, even if i pass -t unstable, i get this.. "Package nvidia-kernel-source is not available, but is referred to by another package." |
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| 13:45.16 | paulswm | *sigh* |
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| 13:45.28 | SlayerXP | !moron zeno |
| 13:45.28 | dpkg | zeno: You are moron #91 |
| 13:45.30 | zeno | oops :# |
| 13:45.31 | directhex|work | Newport, paste your /etc/apt/sources.list into #flood |
| 13:45.35 | zeno | I am sorry :# |
| 13:45.41 | SlayerXP | zeon: this is #debian and not #samba |
| 13:45.53 | flowtron | zeno : and not #flood |
| 13:45.55 | zeno | well.. it runs on a DEBIAN linux! |
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| 13:46.05 | zeno | AND.. the SAME config, DOES work on my GENTOO box! |
| 13:46.15 | SlayerXP | zeno: so do hundreds of other things that you'll get mocked for asking about, too |
| 13:46.19 | theJackal | when you connect to in from your machine in windows... 1) turn off simple file sharing. 2) use map network drive so you can use your linux uname and passwd |
| 13:46.25 | paulswm | !win SlayerXP |
| 13:46.26 | dpkg | Congratulations, SlayerXP! You have won second prize in a beauty contest! |
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| 13:46.43 | SlayerXP | zeno: by THE way your CAPS lock IS BROKEN |
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| 13:47.12 | zeno | slayerXP no it is not! :O |
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| 13:47.23 | zeno | !kick slayerXP |
| 13:47.29 | zeno | :D |
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| 13:48.00 | SlayerXP | !cluedrill zeno |
| 13:48.03 | theJackal | wtf !:/ |
| 13:48.07 | theJackal | !:/ |
| 13:48.08 | rmstar | !kick me |
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| 13:48.22 | theJackal | !>,< |
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| 13:48.39 | theJackal | wtf is going on here? |
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| 13:49.01 | rmstar | !sorry |
| 13:49.01 | dpkg | Don't be sorry...but if you ever go against the Debian Family again... |
| 13:49.07 | theJackal | lol |
| 13:49.10 | theJackal | !wtf |
| 13:49.10 | dpkg | What the fuck is wtf, or apt-get install bsdgames ; /usr/games/wtf is wtf |
| 13:49.17 | Varg66 | !kick himself |
| 13:49.21 | SlayerXP | okay, STOP playing with the bots |
| 13:49.32 | theJackal | !yes , stop |
| 13:49.32 | dpkg | PLEASE STOP! |
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| 13:49.47 | zinx | nah, you can play with them.. just do it in #debian-bots |
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| 13:50.17 | SlayerXP | !moron neeko |
| 13:50.18 | dpkg | neeko: You are moron #64 |
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| 13:50.34 | SlayerXP | we need a bigger numberpsace for that |
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| 13:51.13 | WorkerII | !moron SlayerXP |
| 13:51.14 | dpkg | SlayerXP: You are moron #31 |
| 13:51.16 | Raf256 | !moron bush |
| 13:51.17 | dpkg | bush: You are moron #45 |
| 13:51.23 | idnar | we need a persistent counter, is all |
| 13:51.27 | theJackal | !moron dpkg |
| 13:51.28 | dpkg | dpkg: You are moron #66 |
| 13:51.32 | idnar | !botrape |
| 13:51.32 | dpkg | STOP!!! please... no more... |
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| 13:51.39 | theJackal | lmfao |
| 13:51.49 | z0unds- | hello, does anyone know the packagename for ppm3 ? (perl package manager 3) (apt-get) |
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| 13:51.51 | Varg66 | !lmfao |
| 13:51.51 | dpkg | from memory, lmfao is Laughing My Fucking Ass Off |
| 13:52.06 | theJackal | !( x ) |
| 13:52.18 | theJackal | damn, doesnt know that one :P |
| 13:52.22 | resiak | z0unds-: Why would you want that? |
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| 13:52.33 | darkskiez | anyone use ffmpeg? it is just ignoring my size parameter :/ |
| 13:52.36 | Raf256 | !WoMD |
| 13:52.40 | z0unds- | i just need it resiak |
| 13:52.56 | resiak | z0unds-: Why, FTLOG? |
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| 13:53.13 | z0unds- | resiak: i need to download some perl modules? |
| 13:53.15 | Schmohawk | Can anyone here explain how I can install the ATI video drivers I downloaded onto my WinXP machine in .rpm format using a CD to my Linux computer? |
| 13:53.16 | resiak | z0unds-: It's not in Debian, afaik. |
| 13:53.22 | z0unds- | crap |
| 13:53.23 | resiak | z0unds-: apt-cache search module::name |
| 13:53.30 | resiak | z0unds-: They're ALL PACKAGED! |
| 13:53.33 | resiak | z0unds-: for DEBIAN! |
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| 13:53.38 | resiak | z0unds-: Dance for joy! |
| 13:53.48 | idnar | resiak: they're not ALL packaged |
| 13:53.52 | resiak | idnar: Shush. :) |
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| 13:53.56 | Skaag | I can't find that script that dpkg is talking about with regards to fixing the debian-sys-maint user in mysql |
| 13:54.02 | z0unds- | resiak: apt-cache search DBD::mysql - nothing |
| 13:54.05 | directhex|work | well you cam make perl modules with cpan... |
| 13:54.21 | PerfDave | dh-make-perl is your friend |
| 13:54.24 | directhex|work | !info libdbd-mysql-perl |
| 13:54.28 | dpkg | libdbd-mysql-perl: (A Perl5 database interface to the MySQL database), section perl, is optional. Version: 2.9003-3 (sid), Packaged size: 126 kB, Installed size: 364 kB |
| 13:54.55 | z0unds- | directhex: i tried cpan install DBD::mysql it couldnt |
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| 13:55.17 | theJackal | Schmohawk: somebody blashphemed... i heard it....! |
| 13:55.22 | directhex|work | you can make debian packages with dh-make-perl. but it's poinbtless, since the package is in debian |
| 13:55.24 | z0unds- | thanks for the link directhex|work |
| 13:55.35 | PerfDave | z0unds-: Don't use CPAN.pm to install stuff in Debian. Badness happens. |
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| 13:55.54 | resiak | z0unds-: For what it's worth, apt-cache search dbd::mysql works _fine_ here. |
| 13:56.16 | z0unds- | dosnt find anything here |
| 13:56.21 | eim | Is the Debian helix-player package, available in testing, able to play RealVideo streams? Thanks. |
| 13:56.29 | resiak | eim: No. |
| 13:56.33 | mrwill | PerfDave: aw, crap. what if stuff in cpan isn't packaged in debian? |
| 13:56.34 | resiak | eim: The Real codecs are non-free. |
| 13:56.42 | resiak | mrwill: 13:54 < PerfDave> dh-make-perl is your friend |
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| 13:56.47 | eim | resiak: Any ideas where to get those codecs? Thanks. |
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| 13:56.57 | resiak | eim: Go look at the Helix site. |
| 13:57.01 | Schmohawk | Jackle: funny |
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| 13:57.31 | eim | resiak: I've just installed w32codces from Marillat. This package should provide such codecs. |
| 13:57.31 | PerfDave | mrwill: dh-make-perl --install --cpan Module::Name should work just fine |
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| 13:57.46 | mrwill | PerfDave: oh, ok. |
| 13:57.49 | resiak | eim: Uh, well, I don't know offhand. |
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| 13:58.00 | theJackal | %s/Jackle/theJackal |
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| 13:59.31 | directhex|work | eim, install realplayer from real.com into /usr/local |
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| 13:59.32 | Phated | eim: The win32 codecs do not provide Real codecs. Look on princessleia.com, there's a tarball for you to extract. |
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| 14:00.18 | eim | Phated: Thanks. |
| 14:00.22 | eim | directhex|work: Thanks, too. |
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| 14:00.48 | directhex|work | eim, realplayer and helixplayer are identical bar the codecs & some images |
| 14:00.48 | jm_ | I have w32codecs installed and mplayer can play .rm files |
| 14:00.49 | Newport | resiak, ok i rebooted on prebuilt kern... what was that one linner agian? |
| 14:00.56 | directhex|work | !nvidia one-liner |
| 14:00.56 | dpkg | i guess nvidia one-liner is apt-get install nvidia-kernel-source build-essential module-assistant kernel-headers-$(uname -r) && m-a a-i nvidia && apt-get install nvidia-glx nvidia-settings && echo nvidia >> /etc/modules && modprobe nvidia && dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xfree86. You need contrib and non-free in your sources.list first! You currently need unstable/sid sources, not just testing/sarge. see <quick sid/sarge mix> |
| 14:01.47 | Newport | E: Couldn't find package kernel-headers-2.6.8 |
| 14:01.53 | Newport | heh this is endless today :) |
| 14:02.04 | jm_ | on the other hand, who knows if my /usr/lib/win32 hasn't been populated by hand prior to installing this |
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| 14:02.28 | Newport | i do have "/usr/src/kernel-headers-2.6.8-1" |
| 14:02.32 | resiak | Newport: The kernel revision you have installed is no longer around, I'd guess. |
| 14:03.01 | Newport | resiak, crapping-A, which kern should i apt-get? |
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| 14:03.13 | resiak | Newport: Hang on, do you mean /usr/src/kernel-headers-2.6.8-1.deb ? |
| 14:03.28 | resiak | Newport: Well, with more crap before .deb |
| 14:03.30 | eim | jm_: The w32codces package provides the Real codecs, yes. |
| 14:03.35 | directhex|work | if you have a correct kernel-headers folder in /usr/src, symlink it to /usr/src/linux, and m-a will use it |
| 14:03.37 | mrwill | PerfDave: I'm curious, what kind of badness happens? it is just going outside the packaging system? I've been having some trouble building a particular module with cpan, and it also seems to have some problems with dh-make-perl. |
| 14:03.52 | Newport | resiak, nope.. i just have the dir |
| 14:04.03 | eim | jm_: No idea if helix player may use them. They are just seen by xine and mplayer. |
| 14:04.04 | resiak | Newport: as directhex|work says. |
| 14:04.24 | jm_ | eim: but /usr/share/doc/w32codecs/contents.txt doesn't mention them, si I am not sure |
| 14:04.34 | greycat | your kernel headers must be THE EXACT, PRECISE ONES that were built when your running kernel IMAGE was built. |
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| 14:05.16 | PerfDave | mrwill: If you install a module with CPAN.pm, then apt doesn't know it's there and can't use it to satisfy dependencies. CPAN.pm installation and apt installation may overwrite each other's files with different versions of stuff, which can cause random breakages. |
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| 14:06.20 | RichiH | is there a quick'n'dirty cli way to password-protect/encrypt files? |
| 14:06.33 | xelam | nah |
| 14:06.43 | resiak | RichiH: gpg : |
| 14:06.44 | jharrisonwk | 2.6.8 sucks |
| 14:06.45 | resiak | RichiH: :) |
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| 14:07.04 | RichiH | resiak: i need about ten scales less of security ;) |
| 14:07.14 | Gathond | resiak: It had to be dirty :) ... I would not call gpg dirty :) |
| 14:07.15 | jm_ | RichiH: gnupg ? |
| 14:07.32 | resiak | Gathond: It can be dirty if used in the right ways ;) |
| 14:07.40 | resiak | RichiH: rot13? |
| 14:07.52 | cire | I have some playlists (bestof_xx.m3u, xx stands for a number from 01 to 13). The paths in those files are wrong now, and I'd like to do sth like "cat bestof_01.m3u | replace "oldpathstring" "newpathstring" > bestof_01_new.m3u" |
| 14:07.55 | PerfDave | Symmetric encryption with gnupg is quick and dirty |
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| 14:08.05 | RichiH | jm_: see above. i would like to find a way where i don't have to send around the key. i was more of thinking telling someone the key on the phone etc |
| 14:08.11 | RichiH | resiak: i was waiting for that :) |
| 14:08.14 | directhex|work | urgh, firegl killed my dpkg |
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| 14:08.39 | directhex|work | rot13! |
| 14:08.39 | PerfDave | RichiH: gpg with symmetric encryption |
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| 14:08.42 | directhex|work | passworded .zip! |
| 14:08.46 | jm_ | RichiH: use symmetric encryption |
| 14:08.47 | PerfDave | RichiH: gpg -c foo |
| 14:08.48 | theJackal | nah.. use aptitude and manually fix the dependancy |
| 14:08.49 | RichiH | resiak: i am leeter, though. i just use rot14 26 times in a row |
| 14:08.52 | petemc | <PROTECTED> |
| 14:08.55 | resiak | RichiH: The basic cypher app that we're using in procedural programming lab sessions? |
| 14:08.58 | mrwill | how can I get a list of packages that depend on a certain package? |
| 14:09.00 | theJackal | wtf/ |
| 14:09.02 | directhex|work | <PROTECTED> |
| 14:09.02 | directhex|work | <PROTECTED> |
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| 14:09.17 | PerfDave | mrwill: apt-cache rdepends |
| 14:09.17 | theJackal | !moron resiak |
| 14:09.18 | dpkg | resiak: You are moron #93 |
| 14:09.18 | directhex|work | ^^ okay, how do i butcher the damned package? |
| 14:09.22 | RichiH | PerfDave, jm_: oh, duh |
| 14:09.25 | resiak | theJackal: ? |
| 14:09.26 | abrotman | mrwill: apt-cache depends ? |
| 14:09.33 | abrotman | or is that the other way? |
| 14:09.55 | theJackal | cat x | rot13 | rot13 | diff x returns no difference |
| 14:10.06 | jm_ | RichiH: -c switch can be used for that |
| 14:10.24 | resiak | theJackal: What did I do to deserve that? |
| 14:10.35 | abrotman | resiak: get him back!! |
| 14:10.36 | theJackal | i was just being stupid |
| 14:10.43 | resiak | !moron theJackal |
| 14:10.44 | theJackal | !sorry resiak |
| 14:10.44 | dpkg | theJackal: You are moron #49 |
| 14:10.51 | theJackal | !moron theJackal |
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| 14:11.19 | abrotman | resiak: == cakebutt ? |
| 14:12.11 | directhex|work | fuck yes, i brought my opengl back from the dead. BAD fglrx, no cookie for you! |
| 14:12.19 | resiak | abrotman: No, that's rot180degrees. |
| 14:12.25 | resiak | !win directhex|work |
| 14:12.25 | dpkg | Congratulations, directhex|work! You have won second prize in a beauty contest! |
| 14:12.26 | abrotman | erm .. ok |
| 14:12.49 | cire | can't someone tell me how string replacing in an output works? |
| 14:13.04 | greycat | how *what* works? |
| 14:13.05 | mrwill | PerfDave: regarding the cpan/dh-make-perl question, is it very likely that other packages would depend on a package that I built myself with dh-make-perl? |
| 14:13.05 | resiak | cire: Erm... what do you mean? |
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| 14:13.13 | jm_ | cire: use your favourite editor |
| 14:13.15 | PerfDave | mrwill: Could be |
| 14:13.18 | PerfDave | jm_: sed |
| 14:13.18 | greycat | !wayttd |
| 14:13.18 | dpkg | What Are You Trying To Do? |
| 14:13.21 | PerfDave | Whoops |
| 14:13.24 | theJackal | vim |
| 14:13.24 | PerfDave | cire: sed, or perl |
| 14:13.41 | PerfDave | cire: sed 's/foo/bar/' oldfile > newfile |
| 14:13.51 | jharrisonwk | thats strange |
| 14:13.53 | cire | okay, thanks! |
| 14:13.54 | PerfDave | cire: or just sed -i 's/foo/bar/' |
| 14:14.02 | jm_ | be careful with that if foo or bar contain '/' :) |
| 14:14.05 | jharrisonwk | 2.6.8 skips to 2.6.10 in sid |
| 14:14.33 | jharrisonwk | there does not seem to be 2.6.9 |
| 14:14.46 | PerfDave | mrwill: For example, I have an odd version of DBI and DBD::Pg on my server, some stuff depends on DBI, so I need apt to know that I've installed a particular version of it. |
| 14:14.50 | greycat | PerfDave: bad PerfDave! GNU sed 4.x is evil and icky! And not in woody! (And not in ANYTHING other than sarge/sid...) |
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| 14:15.18 | jharrisonwk | 2.6.9 sucks too |
| 14:15.31 | jharrisonwk | 2.6.8 as the default kernel in sarge is not good |
| 14:15.50 | Zero_Dogg | won't 2.4 be default in sarge? |
| 14:15.55 | greycat | Zero_Dogg: yes, it is |
| 14:16.04 | jharrisonwk | ok |
| 14:16.12 | jharrisonwk | 2.6.8 as the default 2.6 kernel in sarge is not good |
| 14:16.13 | Zero_Dogg | that's what I thought :) |
| 14:16.18 | mrwill | PerfDave: so in that case, you have replaced the package in the archive with one you built yourself. |
| 14:16.39 | jharrisonwk | and 2.4.27 is not good either as sata stuff does not work well with .27 |
| 14:16.39 | PerfDave | mrwill: Yes |
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| 14:16.53 | takatumi | jharrisonwk: kernel-image-2.6.9-2-686, but why not .10? |
| 14:17.06 | travisat | 10 works good for me |
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| 14:17.17 | travisat | I use linux version 10 |
| 14:17.25 | jharrisonwk | takatumi: I dont see a .9 |
| 14:17.34 | jharrisonwk | takatumi: .8 and .9 suck |
| 14:17.36 | takatumi | travisat: what is linux version 10? |
| 14:17.48 | travisat | takatumi: what I use |
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| 14:18.03 | greycat | he's clearly a loonie, or a moron. |
| 14:18.07 | jharrisonwk | travisat: got some good crack? |
| 14:18.25 | jharrisonwk | maybe a bit of both |
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| 14:18.29 | travisat | nope windows at school is driving me crazy. me want my debian at home |
| 14:18.42 | jharrisonwk | travisat: you mean the one running linux version 10? |
| 14:18.55 | travisat | no windows is linux version 10, duh |
| 14:18.57 | Schmohawk | Can anyone here explain how I can install the ATI video drivers I downloaded onto my WinXP machine in .rpm format using a CD to my Linux computer? |
| 14:19.05 | jharrisonwk | travisat: does not compute |
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| 14:19.10 | jharrisonwk | travisat: crack kills |
| 14:19.10 | directhex|work | Schmohawk, don't. |
| 14:19.23 | SlayerXP | Schmohawk: google for "linux ati flavio" |
| 14:19.25 | takatumi | jharrisonwk: I haven't had any serious problems with .7, .8, .9 0r .10. except for security alerts. |
| 14:19.30 | travisat | well it is clearly lower than 2610 |
| 14:20.14 | Poprocks | hey guys.. is there any way to disable a service (hotplug specifically) from booting, at the kernel or initrd lines in GRUB? My machine is locking up when it gets to hotplug and the only way to get it to work is a hard reboot -- sometimes it takes 10 reboots for it to work without locking up |
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| 14:20.27 | jm_ | Poprocks: single user mode |
| 14:20.30 | jharrisonwk | travisat: .8 and .9 go out to lunch on a regular basis |
| 14:20.41 | jharrisonwk | takatumi: .8 and .9 go out to lunch on a regular basis |
| 14:20.45 | takatumi | jharrisonwk: says you. |
| 14:20.50 | travisat | jharrizonwk: they are dating |
| 14:20.52 | jharrisonwk | takatumi: yes in my experience |
| 14:20.55 | Poprocks | jm_: hotplug starts in single user mode |
| 14:20.57 | jethro | .8 and .9 are in a boat |
| 14:21.14 | jharrisonwk | takatumi: however I have installed sarge on many systems and seen this problem |
| 14:21.14 | greycat | .8, .9 and .10 walk into a bar... |
| 14:21.19 | jm_ | Poprocks: then boot with init=/bin/bash, remove it |
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| 14:21.22 | travisat | .11 ducks? |
| 14:21.26 | jharrisonwk | takatumi: so its not like it gives me these issues just on my box at home or something |
| 14:21.45 | Poprocks | jm_: thanks |
| 14:21.45 | directhex|work | there are some gratuitous changes in the 2.6 kernel series |
| 14:21.46 | takatumi | jharrisonwk: so use .10 or 2.4 |
| 14:21.53 | resiak | !tell Schmohawk -about ati |
| 14:22.00 | resiak | Schmohawk: Have a poke around dpkg. |
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| 14:22.13 | Anthro | directhex|work: Which are gratuitous and which are not? |
| 14:22.27 | jm_ | Poprocks: "/msg dpkg i forgot root's password" for some hints with it |
| 14:22.29 | theJackal | i think 2.6.8 is pretty good :/ |
| 14:22.33 | travisat | the schedular changed didn't it |
| 14:22.34 | directhex|work | Anthro, the noexec-stopping-wine-on-amd64 changes in 2.6.10, or the change from sd? to ub? |
| 14:22.50 | jharrisonwk | takatumi: well thats what I do. I try to get onto a 2.6.10 as quickly as I can before the .8 in the sarge install goes to lunch. I would love to install on a 2.4 kernel but sarge has 2.4.27 which does not like sata chipsets |
| 14:23.01 | Poprocks | jm_: it's ok I got it |
| 14:23.04 | jharrisonwk | takatumi: either that or its an installer problem |
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| 14:23.16 | Poprocks | jm_: I didn't know you could do that though ;-) |
| 14:23.21 | Anthro | directhex|work: The noexec stuff sounds less like gratuitous and more like lack of testing. The sd to ub thing I haven't run into. Are you talking about /dev/sd? |
| 14:23.21 | directhex|work | jharrisonwk, 2.4 lacks much sata support, other than what's been backported |
| 14:23.23 | takatumi | jharrisonwk: .10 has been extremely stable here, and CD burning works well too. |
| 14:23.27 | jharrisonwk | directhex|work: yeah |
| 14:23.32 | jharrisonwk | takatumi: yes I agree |
| 14:23.39 | theJackal | yeah... im living off a sata... it was a bitch to get grub to forget a hard drive i wanted to remove >:( |
| 14:23.40 | jharrisonwk | takatumi: I have found .10 to be quite good |
| 14:23.44 | jm_ | Poprocks: alternatively, booting with rescue medium would help |
| 14:23.47 | directhex|work | Anthro, usb removable devices are now /dev/ub* not sd* |
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| 14:24.13 | jethro | directhex|work: I still have to use sd* |
| 14:24.17 | jethro | directhex|work: tho on 2.6.10 |
| 14:24.21 | baserose | hi all. I have a stupid problem with postfix onde debian : I can't get PLAIN and LOGIN authentication to work, only DISGEST-MD5. Can you help me ?! |
| 14:24.21 | jm_ | directhex|work: only if you use low-performance USB storage driver, it's still SCSI disk if you use the old driver |
| 14:24.24 | directhex|work | with noexec=off as a kernel parameter, 2.6.10 largely works |
| 14:24.24 | takatumi | directhex|work: I keep hearing that, yet my usb stick still shows up as /dev/sda1 |
| 14:24.43 | Anthro | directhex|work: Mm. It's something that probably should have been done way back when the usb-storage driver was written. Nonetheless, my usb mass storage still shows up as sda under 2.6.10. |
| 14:24.49 | takatumi | jm_: ah. |
| 14:24.51 | directhex|work | takatumi, depends on which driver you use. read your udev.rules file |
| 14:24.53 | greycat | jethro: "have to"? |
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| 14:25.47 | Anthro | directhex|work: Oh, wait, you're complaining about udev? You deserve what you get. udev is a misery/ |
| 14:25.58 | directhex|work | !magic hate ball |
| 14:26.01 | jethro | greycat: [and my english is maybe not perfect and I may choose the wrong words sometimes] |
| 14:26.08 | greycat | jethro: I'd think it's more like "My kernel is still non-fuck-tarded, so I *get* to usd sd* instead of whatever crap they've decided to inflict upon the drooling GNOME-using masses this week." |
| 14:26.13 | travisat | cire: "s/\/disc\//mp32\//" maybe |
| 14:26.25 | jethro | greycat: ok, got the point :) |
| 14:26.28 | cire | forgot one slash at the end. Now it's working |
| 14:26.41 | cire | (you too) |
| 14:26.41 | travisat | cire: misunderstood yo |
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| 14:27.00 | travisat | I was replacing disc with mp32 |
| 14:27.02 | petemc | cire: you can use another delimiter, s#foo#bar# |
| 14:27.08 | iceman | whats the name of that all girl debian channel again? |
| 14:27.23 | jethro | #lesbian ? |
| 14:27.23 | pingouin | debian-women ? |
| 14:27.23 | cire | ahhh, okay. This sound sinteresting |
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| 14:27.37 | pingouin | there is a distro called ...lesbian |
| 14:27.39 | Anthro | iceman: It's on a different server. Try /server 127.0.0.1 |
| 14:27.42 | greycat | pingouin: not related. |
| 14:27.42 | pingouin | or maybe it's a fake |
| 14:27.43 | theJackal | ohh..ohh... \/leaves |
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| 14:27.45 | iceman | I think it was someting with chix |
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| 14:28.08 | jethro | pingouin: it's a joke, but the pr0n-get is real and working |
| 14:28.11 | theJackal | i bet its default editor is sex too :D |
| 14:28.13 | pingouin | gaybian thee next |
| 14:28.19 | greycat | iceman: think of it as an IQ test. If you can't find it, you're not invited. |
| 14:28.35 | _AleX_ | hi all .. i've just switch from a 2.4.27 to a 2.6.10 kernel. The 'single' boot option don't work ... why ? (I'm using a initrd) |
| 14:28.38 | iceman | greycat: it's not for me |
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| 14:28.45 | theJackal | hmm, whred everybody go? |
| 14:28.50 | iceman | Im not looking to go there myself |
| 14:28.55 | greycat | theJackal: they're camping out in your basement |
| 14:28.58 | jethro | theJackal: they went with .8 .9 and .10 at the pub |
| 14:29.15 | jethro | went to even |
| 14:29.18 | theJackal | i dont have a basement :D |
| 14:29.19 | pingouin | _AleX_: did you edit the lilo/grub conf to add the initrd path to ? |
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| 14:29.44 | takatumi | except abrotman. |
| 14:29.47 | jethro | heh |
| 14:29.49 | nome | _AleX_: lilo or grub? |
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| 14:30.12 | Anthro | iceman: /server missing.lspace.org |
| 14:30.14 | _AleX_ | pingouin: the system works good with the initrd, but when i'm trying to add 'single' to the kernel, the system go to runlevel 2 |
| 14:30.21 | _AleX_ | pingouin: nome : lilo |
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| 14:30.38 | iceman | Anthro: is that for real? |
| 14:30.48 | takatumi | _AleX_: debian kernel-image? |
| 14:31.00 | baserose | sasl seems to be broken on debian/unstable !! |
| 14:31.04 | nome | _AleX_: if you copiled with initrd i feel you have to use it |
| 14:31.18 | _AleX_ | takatumi: is a custom kernel build from the 2.6.10 kernel source from debian |
| 14:31.19 | takatumi | baserose: file a bug or read if there is one. |
| 14:31.34 | takatumi | _AleX_: then why are you using initrd? |
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| 14:31.47 | _AleX_ | takatumi: lvm2 |
| 14:31.53 | takatumi | _AleX_: ah. |
| 14:31.53 | nome | _AleX_: you can compile with make-kpkg and no initrd |
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| 14:32.15 | Anthro | iceman: No. |
| 14:32.17 | _AleX_ | how to go in single user mode when using a initrd ? |
| 14:32.17 | nome | _AleX_: but maybe you need it for load some modeules like scsi |
| 14:32.19 | Roch | Hello. I don't know debian at all, so here's a very stupid question. When a new release of debian becomes stable, is it possible to automatically upgrade (with apt-get or whatever) to it ? |
| 14:32.20 | travisat | initrds are good for bootsplash in my initrd.splash |
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| 14:32.38 | doom | Someone can tel me how to install Debian 3 with kernel 2.4 ?? |
| 14:32.38 | takatumi | travisat: bootsplash is silly. |
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| 14:32.53 | travisat | takatumi: its pretty ^-^ |
| 14:32.56 | jethro | and so is initrd |
| 14:33.07 | Anthro | doom: You wish to install Woody using a 2.4 kernel? |
| 14:33.07 | doom | I forgot the commando to put on Boot : |
| 14:33.08 | jm_ | Roch: it's explained in the documentation/installation manual for each release how to upgrade |
| 14:33.12 | takatumi | doom: /msg dpkg d-i |
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| 14:33.14 | nome | takatumi: i like it |
| 14:33.16 | doom | yes |
| 14:33.17 | Roch | jm_, so it's always possible ? |
| 14:33.36 | doom | Anthro yes |
| 14:33.42 | Anthro | doom: When booting with the Woody install CD, type bf2.4 at the prompt. |
| 14:33.48 | jm_ | Roch: no, apt first appeared in Debian 2.2 IIRC, so 2.1 was the first one that could be upgraded with apt-get ;) |
| 14:33.55 | greycat | "bf24", no period. |
| 14:33.56 | _AleX_ | I'll reformulate my question : I want to go in runlevel S from a boot option, and I'm using a initrd. How to do that ? |
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| 14:34.01 | Anthro | greycat: Oops. |
| 14:34.03 | jethro | !tell Roch about dist-upgrade |
| 14:34.09 | greycat | doom: when you boot the woody CD, *PRESS F1 TO READ THE HELP*. |
| 14:34.10 | doom | Anthro thanks! |
| 14:34.13 | Anthro | doom: that's bf24, not bf2.4 |
| 14:34.20 | doom | greycat okz! |
| 14:34.20 | greycat | It'll tell you to press more F keys. Press those too. |
| 14:34.21 | doom | greycat thanks! |
| 14:34.26 | doom | bye |
| 14:34.32 | takatumi | heh |
| 14:34.33 | jm_ | Roch: and I think aptitude will be a recommended way with Sarge, although you can still use apt-get if you want, but you might have more problems |
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| 14:34.56 | _AleX_ | greycat: why the boot option 'single' don't work with a 2.6.10 and an initrd ? |
| 14:35.00 | Anthro | Rats. He'll be back once the bf2.4 kernel fails him. I wanted to tell him to remember to install a real kernel. *sigh* |
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| 14:35.04 | Roch | My question is: if I install the current stable release now, am I guaranteed to be able to upgrade to the next one when it becomes stable ? |
| 14:35.07 | jethro | what's the added value of aptitude when you're used to apt-get ? |
| 14:35.12 | jm_ | Roch: yes |
| 14:35.16 | Roch | OK, thanks. |
| 14:35.28 | jethro | just being curious |
| 14:35.50 | nome | _AleX_: i feel it's bocause you miss some stuf stored in initrd |
| 14:35.56 | jm_ | jethro: it logs stuff to /var/log/aptitude, it has other commands, like purge (although apt-get can do that too), it has front-end, and a few other things |
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| 14:36.08 | Igloo | Does getting "WARNING: NR_CPUS limit of 1 reached. Processor ignored." on a single-CPU (P4 with a ht flag) mean I should be using an SMP kernel? |
| 14:36.12 | jm_ | jethro: and it can track what packages get installed and removes them when you remove installed package |
| 14:36.14 | _AleX_ | nome: i've made my initrd with lvm2_create_initrd |
| 14:36.17 | Anthro | jethro: aptitude is much-hyped and much-maligned. Its main advantage is that it tracks what packages you actually requested and which ones were pulled in as dependencies. Unless you have a strong need to keep an eye on your disk space, it is probably no better than apt-get. |
| 14:36.17 | greycat | Igloo: probably. |
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| 14:36.39 | jethro | think I ll just file a bug to have apt-get log as well :p |
| 14:36.47 | nome | _AleX_: is root in a scsi hd? |
| 14:37.00 | takatumi | jethro: and you can read changelogs prior to package download. |
| 14:37.02 | _AleX_ | nome: on a classic ide drive |
| 14:37.05 | jethro | or do it myself (before someone larts me) |
| 14:37.13 | _AleX_ | with md (for software raid) |
| 14:37.19 | Anthro | jethro: Yeah, good luck with that. Honestly, there is little need. That's what deborphan and debfoster are for. |
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| 14:37.43 | nome | _AleX_: ok i don't know so :) |
| 14:37.45 | takatumi | jethro: and it gets recommends if you tell it to. |
| 14:37.52 | jethro | takatumi: ok |
| 14:38.00 | matt___ | need some serious help :/ I attempted a kernel upgrade and am now buggered. |
| 14:38.01 | _AleX_ | nome: it's a strange problem :) |
| 14:38.02 | jethro | thanks for all your replies |
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| 14:38.24 | greycat | matt___: so boot the old kernel. |
| 14:38.29 | _AleX_ | the system don't want to go in single user mode ... strange :) |
| 14:38.33 | takatumi | jethro: although I still use apt-get and occasionally aptitude |
| 14:38.42 | matt___ | I don't get a chance... |
| 14:38.57 | nome | _AleX_: take a look on the initrd and check the modules |
| 14:39.00 | _AleX_ | but when i do a 'telinit 1', it's work |
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| 14:39.04 | Anthro | takatumi: How can it read the changelogs prior to package download? Prior to installation, sure, and that's what apt-listchanges does. The changelog is in the package, though, so you'd have to download the package to read its changelog. |
| 14:39.16 | greycat | Anthro: they're available separately now. |
| 14:39.20 | nome | _AleX_: than try to compile statically those modules on you kernel |
| 14:39.25 | takatumi | Anthro: try hitting "C" on a package. |
| 14:39.30 | Anthro | greycat: Ah, I was not aware ofthat. |
| 14:39.30 | jethro | takatumi: tried it only once after a sarge install and I m so used to using apt-get for such things that it'll take some time before aptitude is my default (if it's really worth it) |
| 14:39.43 | nome | _AleX_: what is lvm2_create_initrd? |
| 14:39.50 | _AleX_ | nome: ok i'll try ... |
| 14:39.51 | jm_ | jethro: alias apt-get=aptitude for most parts |
| 14:40.00 | matt___ | It just goes lilo... loading linux..... |
| 14:40.02 | jethro | it's cmdline too? |
| 14:40.06 | jm_ | of course |
| 14:40.08 | jethro | I don't have to use the interface? |
| 14:40.09 | jethro | cool |
| 14:40.09 | jethro | :) |
| 14:40.16 | Anthro | greycat: Is there a non-aptitude tool for reading the changelog? Like maybe part of apt-cache? |
| 14:40.16 | greycat | matt___: hold SHIFT while it's booting |
| 14:40.22 | _AleX_ | nome: a tool for make a initrd specially for activating LVM |
| 14:40.33 | matt___ | ok |
| 14:40.35 | greycat | Anthro: they're somewhere on p.d.o |
| 14:40.38 | nome | _AleX_: where did you find it? |
| 14:40.42 | nome | _AleX_: apt? |
| 14:40.51 | _AleX_ | nome: in the lvm2 debian packages of sarge |
| 14:41.02 | nome | _AleX_: thanks |
| 14:41.07 | takatumi | Anthro: http://changelogs.debian.net/ |
| 14:41.08 | Anthro | greycat: But there |
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| 14:41.30 | Anthro | greycat: But there is no standalone apt-listchanges kind of thing? |
| 14:41.47 | matt___ | ok, all i have is Linux, there's no other options :/ |
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| 14:42.06 | _AleX_ | nome: i've an idea, i'll check that : maybe the problem is in the /etc/inittab of the initrd generated by lvm ... |
| 14:42.08 | Anthro | matt___: Is this LILO? |
| 14:42.11 | matt___ | yeah |
| 14:42.23 | travisat | eww lilo |
| 14:42.25 | greycat | he must've forgotten to KEEP HIS OLD KERNEL. |
| 14:42.27 | Anthro | matt___: And if you type Linux single? |
| 14:42.38 | matt___ | "linux single" |
| 14:42.48 | greycat | (and/or to configure lilo to use it... and/or to use make-kpkg...) |
| 14:42.56 | nome | _AleX_: if that initrd works you'll find your answer there i feel :) |
| 14:43.05 | Anthro | matt___: And hit return |
| 14:43.09 | matt___ | ok |
| 14:43.10 | _AleX_ | the initrd works good, i'm using it |
| 14:43.37 | _AleX_ | but when i want to go in runlevel S after the initrd, it's dont want |
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| 14:43.50 | matt___ | same error. |
| 14:43.51 | matt___ | I think it' |
| 14:44.02 | Anthro | What is the error? |
| 14:44.04 | matt___ | 's caused by modprobe having a missing file :/ |
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| 14:44.19 | TheTom | anyone know how to set scrollback buffer lines in aterm? i can scroll back very few lines |
| 14:44.34 | matt___ | modprove: can't open dependencies dile: /lib/modukes.2,6,10/modules.dep (no such file or directory) |
| 14:44.49 | matt___ | ignore my spelling errors |
| 14:44.55 | matt___ | *modprobe |
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| 14:45.15 | Anthro | matt___: You have done something wrong. Can you boot at all? |
| 14:45.17 | matt___ | I followed the instructions that came with the lkernel |
| 14:45.22 | matt___ | no. |
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| 14:45.33 | matt___ | i did make modules_install |
| 14:45.34 | Anthro | matt___: Do you have a Knoppix CD? |
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| 14:45.39 | matt___ | somewhere |
| 14:45.46 | matt___ | or maybe I threw it out :/ |
| 14:45.50 | Anthro | matt___: So you didn't use make-kpkg? |
| 14:45.57 | matt___ | no :/ |
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| 14:46.12 | matt___ | i downloaded a kernel from kernel.org and compiled it |
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| 14:46.22 | matt___ | some linux "guru" I know told me to do it :( |
| 14:46.25 | PerfDave | matt___: You can use make-kpkg with kernel.org kernels |
| 14:46.35 | matt___ | last time I listen to him :/ |
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| 14:46.39 | PerfDave | matt___: Why were you compiling a kernel in the firs tplace? Debian has very nice kernel-image packages |
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| 14:46.57 | prog | matt___: why are you makeing new kernel ? |
| 14:46.59 | matt___ | I was using 2.4 kernel and apparently I should have used 2.6 |
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| 14:47.00 | matt___ | cos it' |
| 14:47.04 | matt___ | s "better" |
| 14:47.22 | PerfDave | matt___: So install a 2.6 kernel-image package |
| 14:47.26 | Anthro | matt___: Okay. Step one, boot with Knoppix. Step two, mount your HD and chroot to it. Step three, apt-get install an appropriate kernel, which should run LILO. Note that when you mount the HD you will need to make sure it isn't mounted nosuid or nodev. |
| 14:47.31 | prog | matt___: why apt-get install kernel-image-2.6* ? |
| 14:47.49 | matt___ | cos I didn't know you could do that |
| 14:48.10 | takatumi | matt___: which version of debian? |
| 14:48.10 | matt___ | hrm |
| 14:48.15 | matt___ | sarge |
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| 14:48.35 | takatumi | matt___: yeah, you have 2.6.8 on sarge. |
| 14:48.46 | prog | do ... apt-cache search kernel-image |
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| 14:49.22 | PerfDave | !faq matt___ |
| 14:49.25 | dpkg | matt___: http://www.linuks.mine.nu/debian-faq/ |
| 14:49.27 | takatumi | matt___: however compiling one works fine as well. |
| 14:49.38 | PerfDave | takatumi: ...if you don't fuck it up ;) |
| 14:49.45 | matt___ | I was trying to load a rescue kernel from the debian install CD |
| 14:49.46 | takatumi | PerfDave: true. |
| 14:49.49 | PerfDave | takatumi: kernel-image packages are safer, particlarly if you're not entirely sure what you're doing. |
| 14:49.54 | matt___ | but it kept crashing |
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| 14:50.01 | greycat | he must've installed woody and upgraded to sarge |
| 14:50.06 | matt___ | I didn't |
| 14:50.14 | greycat | then why do you have LILO instead of GRUB? |
| 14:50.14 | matt___ | I downloaded a sarge iso |
| 14:50.19 | matt___ | dunno :/ |
| 14:50.38 | matt___ | default option as far as I remember |
| 14:50.53 | matt___ | I have a SATA drive |
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| 14:50.59 | matt___ | and that's what it's installed on |
| 14:51.15 | takatumi | PerfDave: got used to compiling since .7, .8 and .9 wouldn't work well with *my hardware*, need to get a few options static. although I hear 2.6.10 works well. |
| 14:51.16 | matt___ | I tried to do: rescue root=/dev/sda |
| 14:51.25 | matt___ | and it didn't work |
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| 14:52.52 | takatumi | matt___: to boot directly to 2.6 with sarge, start the installer with linux26 |
| 14:52.54 | greycat | there is no "rescue" in the sarge netinstall ISO image. |
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| 14:53.05 | matt___ | :S |
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| 14:53.13 | greycat | and "didn't work" is going to get you smited. Give us ERROR MESSAGES. |
| 14:53.45 | mrwill | I've got a perl module package that won't install, it's libxml-sax-perl and it says something about /usr/bin/update-perl-sax-parsers/ not having a certain method available. |
| 14:53.55 | matt___ | hrm |
| 14:53.57 | takatumi | matt___: as opposed to just hitting enter, the Function keys are a good read. |
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| 14:54.13 | matt___ | yeah it gave me the option of F3 for rescue options |
| 14:54.30 | matt___ | ok, now the disk appears to be Debian 3.0 :/ |
| 14:54.38 | resiak | matt___: It didn't magically change. |
| 14:54.49 | takatumi | matt___: be more vague. |
| 14:55.02 | matt___ | well.... rarg. |
| 14:55.21 | matt___ | flippin' idiot telling me to upgrade the kernel |
| 14:55.32 | PerfDave | takatumi: My sid box has hand-compiled stuff, but kernel-image on my Sarge box seems to work better. |
| 14:56.00 | db1000fot | exquse me, i have a zioncom ethernet card.. but my debian can't recognize the card;; |
| 14:56.03 | PerfDave | mrwill: Is that a perl module package from the Debian repositories, or one you made yourself with dh-make-perl ? |
| 14:56.09 | takatumi | PerfDave: yeah, my desktop runs the 2.6.10 image well. |
| 14:56.11 | travisat | I use make-kpkg to custom compile my kernel |
| 14:56.11 | matt___ | ok.. so next thing is to get Knoppix |
| 14:56.16 | db1000fot | please help me install the card;; |
| 14:56.19 | _AleX_ | nome: I think that I've found the error : the init script in initrd created by lvm2create_initrd.sh call at the end /sbin/init without "$@" |
| 14:56.25 | takatumi | PerfDave: but it's kinda old hardware. |
| 14:56.27 | PerfDave | takatumi: Haven't tried 2.6.10 yet, I'm sticking with the default 2.6 kernel from Sarge |
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| 14:56.48 | matt___ | first SATA drive is /dev/sda isn't it? |
| 14:56.52 | _AleX_ | nome: I'll test and if it's ok, send a email to the package manager. Thanks for your help |
| 14:56.58 | nome | _AleX_: thats great |
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| 14:57.17 | _AleX_ | nome: just normal :) |
| 14:57.21 | nome | :) |
| 14:58.11 | matt___ | I don't have a knoppix disk, but I have some mini linux boot disks, would they be sufficient? |
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| 14:58.34 | takatumi | matt___: is this a fresh install? |
| 14:58.40 | zeno | QUESTION: How can this be? => can't write to the directory /var/www when loged in as user zeno .. did a chown -r www-data:www-data on /var/www --> put user zeno in the etc/group file behind www-data .. and I still cannot write any files there |
| 14:58.45 | matt___ | trouble is that it's a Serial ATA disk and I've had trouble with it being recognised |
| 14:58.53 | matt___ | takatumi: It was the other day, yeh |
| 14:59.00 | cire | Everything worked fine with sed. Now, I'd like to do something other. I now have one large playlist, containing paths like "Artist/discname/Songname.mp3". I have a mp3 player which supports no Directories. Because of that, I'll copy every Song from the playlist into one directory. How may I alter the playlist in that way? (I want to extract everything until the last slash occurs: "Artist/discname/songname.mp3" shall be "songname.mp3") |
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| 14:59.24 | takatumi | matt___: you're better off with sarge, /msg dpkg d-i |
| 14:59.26 | xenoduck | zeno: You need to logout, then login again to be in the www-data group. Check it with the id command. |
| 14:59.51 | zeno | ok |
| 14:59.55 | zeno | let me try .. |
| 14:59.56 | jethro | zeno: /var/www shoudln't be www-data writable (it isn't by default and shoudln't be) |
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| 15:00.11 | caphuso | cire: sed -e 's#.*/##' |
| 15:00.12 | zeno | jethro --> what should it be then ? |
| 15:00.15 | PerfDave | zeno: Is the directory writable by the *group* www-data? |
| 15:00.27 | zeno | want samba users to be able to put there files in it .. |
| 15:00.38 | zeno | (it's a server for internal use) |
| 15:00.49 | PerfDave | cire: Again, sed or perl. |
| 15:00.55 | jethro | zeno: root owned and www-data with read rights, prevents from easy exploitation of whatever dynamic stuff you might serve with the http |
| 15:01.07 | jethro | httpd even |
| 15:01.25 | directhex|work | !tell matt___ about woody hardware support |
| 15:01.28 | directhex|work | !tell matt___ about woody desktop |
| 15:01.31 | directhex|work | !tell matt___ about d-i |
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| 15:01.39 | takatumi | amen. |
| 15:01.43 | ricky_clarkson | tell matt___ about stupid nicks |
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| 15:01.53 | jethro | !nickometer matt___ |
| 15:01.53 | dpkg | 'matt___' is 97.050% lame, jethro |
| 15:01.56 | paulswm | ricky_clarkson: HAHAHA |
| 15:01.56 | jethro | oh |
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| 15:02.03 | cire | I tworked. Thanks! |
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| 15:02.25 | ricky_clarkson | cire: Did you enjoy tworking? |
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| 15:02.45 | matt___ | So I've booted to a linux boot disk, if I want to mount my SATA drive with "mount /dev/sda /mnt" it says "error, device not configured" |
| 15:02.46 | jethro | !ricky_clarkson++ |
| 15:03.01 | takatumi | although I would be interested to know how he got a SATA drive to work in woody. |
| 15:03.11 | matt___ | it wasn't woody |
| 15:03.15 | matt___ | I don't think :/ |
| 15:03.32 | matt___ | unless the torrent I downloaded the iso from was wrong |
| 15:03.34 | resiak | matt___: Debian 3.0 _is_ woody. |
| 15:03.41 | matt___ | yeah that's a different disk |
| 15:03.52 | resiak | matt___: Why didn't you _SAY_?! |
| 15:03.57 | matt___ | I don't have the origional disk anymore :/ |
| 15:04.00 | matt___ | sorry :( |
| 15:04.00 | jethro | matt___: fdisk /dev/sda, then read the available partitions |
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| 15:04.16 | jethro | matt___: then try mount /dev/sdaN /mount/point , N being the partition number |
| 15:04.20 | abrotman | fdisk -l |
| 15:04.31 | matt___ | bah, this crappy boot disk doesn't have fdisk, I |
| 15:04.37 | matt___ | I'll try a different one |
| 15:04.55 | jethro | you hve on most install media |
| 15:05.02 | jethro | you have fdisk on most install media |
| 15:05.07 | jethro | or a variant |
| 15:05.19 | abrotman | crappy boot disk? |
| 15:05.24 | paulswm | *sigh* |
| 15:05.25 | matt___ | I'm using "ultimate boot CD" at the moment |
| 15:05.34 | TheTom | what's that? |
| 15:05.35 | matt___ | and that was trinux |
| 15:05.42 | resiak | matt___: Can't you just use Knoppix like everyone else? ^__^ |
| 15:05.44 | abrotman | !cluebat matt___ |
| 15:05.49 | abrotman | heh |
| 15:05.55 | jethro | ahah |
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| 15:06.06 | matt___ | I don't have a KNoppix disk like I said |
| 15:06.15 | abrotman | so you use a fucking random boot disk? |
| 15:06.19 | matt___ | I have a CD rom that has 4 linux boot disks on it |
| 15:06.26 | matt___ | trying basic linux now |
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| 15:06.35 | abrotman | oh my dear god |
| 15:06.37 | abrotman | !fish resiak |
| 15:06.59 | matt___ | ok I did fdisk /dev/sda |
| 15:07.03 | resiak | !fail your astronavigation exam is <reply> I am a fish. I am a fish. I am a fish. I am a fish. |
| 15:07.04 | dpkg | okay, resiak |
| 15:07.07 | matt___ | and it said fatal error, unable to read disk |
| 15:07.15 | greycat | I *seriously* doubt you want to do "fsck /dev/sda", *ever*. |
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| 15:07.31 | jethro | he said fdisk :) |
| 15:07.31 | abrotman | who said fsck ? |
| 15:07.33 | resiak | greycat: Either you typoed or readoed. |
| 15:07.42 | abrotman | greycat: your eyes are failing ... |
| 15:07.42 | greycat | oops. sorry. |
| 15:07.43 | zeno | jethro --> I just did a reboot .. still not workng :S |
| 15:07.52 | abrotman | !oldtimersmite greycat |
| 15:07.58 | abrotman | :) |
| 15:07.58 | ricky_clarkson | dialog --msgbox "You are a cunt" 40 5 |
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| 15:08.05 | jethro | zeno: what would a reboot change to permission issues? |
| 15:08.07 | scarynetworkguy | !geezersmite greycat |
| 15:08.11 | greycat | abrotman: it's probably because I was just doing an fsck on a damaged MO here in Real Life. |
| 15:08.31 | matt___ | bah, trying another boot disk |
| 15:08.34 | abrotman | greycat: lovely .. |
| 15:08.36 | greycat | 1 bad block -> fsck fails -> can't mount -> "sorry, you're screwed" |
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| 15:08.36 | resiak | <obligatory comment>What's Real Life(TM)?</o c> |
| 15:08.51 | scarynetworkguy | Ouch. |
| 15:08.58 | greycat | resiak: it's like #debian, except you don't get to smite people |
| 15:08.59 | scarynetworkguy | resiak: A pretty funny webcomic. |
| 15:09.04 | abrotman | greycat: says who? |
| 15:09.08 | resiak | greycat: Sounds lame. |
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| 15:09.09 | flow | hi |
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| 15:10.09 | zeno | jethro --> just to make sure USER zeno was in the GROUP |
| 15:10.11 | flow | i have a problem with debmirror .... the gpg keys cant be verified |
| 15:10.16 | flow | whats to do? |
| 15:10.23 | greycat | flow: see this week's DWN |
| 15:10.30 | jethro | zeno: reboot again then, if at first you don't succeed |
| 15:10.39 | ibroadfo | hmm, I just got a /msg from WEBCAM-GirL... info seems rather spammy |
| 15:10.39 | paulswm | Real Life has too many bugs, dependencies don't always work, too much of the stuff is in non-free |
| 15:10.47 | zeno | jethro .. I was just making sure! |
| 15:10.49 | flow | ibroadfo, im too ;) |
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| 15:10.58 | matt___ | right... |
| 15:11.01 | zeno | You said , log out .. login .. |
| 15:11.05 | jethro | zeno: man chmod man chown should be enough for you to fix the issue |
| 15:11.07 | matt___ | this boot disk has got my SATA disk as hda |
| 15:11.07 | abrotman | paulswm: it's too tactile :) |
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| 15:11.14 | flow | greycat, dwn? |
| 15:11.16 | zeno | man .. |
| 15:11.26 | ricky_clarkson | paulswm: My motherboard isn't open source. ;( |
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| 15:11.28 | zeno | I did a chmod 0775 --> should be working right?? |
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| 15:11.45 | ibroadfo | flow: Debian Weekly News |
| 15:11.56 | directhex|work | ricky_clarkson, bin it, and get linux running on a neuros mp3 player as your desktop machine |
| 15:12.04 | abrotman | !tell flow about dwn |
| 15:12.24 | matt___ | ok. so I have now mounted my root filesystem, how do I rescue my system? |
| 15:12.28 | greycat | hey! it's an ogg player that also plays mp3s! |
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| 15:12.53 | greycat | matt___: chroot into it, vi /etc/lilo.conf, /sbin/lio |
| 15:13.01 | zeno | jethro -> I did a chmod 0775 --> should be working right?? |
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| 15:13.05 | matt___ | ok, don't kill me, but what is chroot? |
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| 15:13.15 | greycat | zeno: well, it should be 0775 now. whatever that means to you. |
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| 15:13.22 | ibroadfo | is there any way for me to get updates to debian-keyring.gpg? it looks like it hasn't been updated since 2004-07 |
| 15:13.26 | ricky_clarkson | directhex|work: But, but, atoms aren't open source. |
| 15:13.31 | greycat | ibroadfo: see this week's DWN |
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| 15:13.43 | zeno | 0775 = rwx for user and group .. and read execute for public .. |
| 15:14.06 | jethro | zeno: I know of octal modes |
| 15:14.06 | ircdevil | i want to kill this connection - how? tcp 0 36200 172.31.119.26:41040 130.226.119.169:9100 ESTABLISHED - |
| 15:14.12 | zeno | well then! |
| 15:14.15 | zeno | so that is not it ! :O |
| 15:14.25 | directhex|work | ricky_clarkson, reverse-engineer them, and release NNA (NNA's Not Atoms) under GPL |
| 15:14.28 | ibroadfo | greycat: not the archive key, but the list of developer's keys |
| 15:14.35 | zeno | I do not know what is is .. but all the permissions are right .. |
| 15:14.36 | zeno | the owner is now root, with group www-data |
| 15:14.37 | greycat | ircdevil: lsof -i -n | grep 9100 |
| 15:14.42 | zeno | I am in the group file .. |
| 15:14.50 | greycat | ircdevil: or possibly grep 41040 |
| 15:14.54 | jethro | zeno: did you make sure you belong to the www-data groupe and www-data group is the group owner of the offending directory? |
| 15:14.54 | ibroadfo | so when I get signed mail gpg doesn't need to go import the signatures |
| 15:14.56 | greycat | zeno: id(1) |
| 15:15.11 | zeno | jethro -> I did! |
| 15:15.16 | ircdevil | greycat: ok -> socket 20703 root 3u IPv4 35860442 TCP |
| 15:15.28 | waxmop | i'm having trouble with apt-get install emacs. is something wrong with the debian pkg server? |
| 15:15.29 | jethro | zeno: /exec -out ls -lad /var/www |
| 15:15.29 | resiak | !tell matt___ about chroot |
| 15:15.32 | greycat | ircdevil: find out what *process* has it open. then kill that process. |
| 15:15.45 | greycat | !tell waxmop about errors |
| 15:15.53 | zeno | if I do I I see: groups=1000(zeno) :S |
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| 15:15.59 | jethro | !lart zeno |
| 15:16.01 | greycat | !lose zeno |
| 15:16.01 | dpkg | zeno: You Lose. |
| 15:16.01 | sundial | hello does anyone know what the "+" means on some partitions when I do fdisk /dev/sda |
| 15:16.02 | jethro | reboot again |
| 15:16.06 | ircdevil | greycat: ok, that must be pid 20703 -> which is socket cups |
| 15:16.20 | matt___ | ffs |
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| 15:16.22 | waxmop | greycat: here's the error: E: Package emacs has no installation candidate |
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| 15:16.27 | flow | greycat, i find nothing about a new key for mirroring |
| 15:16.30 | jethro | zeno: and man group groupadd after the reboot |
| 15:16.36 | waxmop | i've run apt-get update before. |
| 15:16.36 | matt___ | I chroot and edited /etc/lili.conf |
| 15:16.42 | matt___ | then /sbin/lilo says: |
| 15:16.57 | matt___ | /dev/mapp/ciontrol: open failed: No such device |
| 15:17.20 | matt___ | and then unknown device /dev/sda |
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| 15:17.37 | ciga | I want to have sw raid with 2 sata disks on sarge. should I use kernel 2.4, or kernel 2.6? (asus ich6) |
| 15:17.40 | resiak | waxmop: apt-cache search emacs |
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| 15:18.29 | Gumby | any ops around to mention an onjoin add to? |
| 15:18.34 | waxmop | resiak: ok, i got a lot of output from that. |
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| 15:18.56 | resiak | waxmop: apt-cache show emacs21 |
| 15:18.56 | jethro | Gumby: !ops |
| 15:19.04 | waxmop | gotcha. |
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| 15:19.14 | Gumby | !ops |
| 15:19.14 | dpkg | Please invoke 'dpkg ops $problem' to call the ops to deal with a specific problem |
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| 15:19.17 | waxmop | resiak: actually, i'm going to use emacs21-nox. |
| 15:19.24 | matt___ | is it possible to get a new kernel via apt when I'm booting from a boot disk? |
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| 15:19.28 | resiak | waxmop: Oooh, I'm quaking in my little space boots. |
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| 15:19.30 | resiak | waxmop: :) |
| 15:19.32 | Gumby | :) |
| 15:19.32 | zeno | going to reboot again .. :S |
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| 15:19.39 | resiak | zeno: Why are you rebooting?! |
| 15:19.42 | flow | greycat, i find nothing about a new key for mirroring |
| 15:19.43 | whaq__ | hej |
| 15:19.44 | jethro | zeno: you don't have too reboot |
| 15:19.50 | jethro | zeno: just logout then login |
| 15:19.53 | resiak | matt___: Yes. chroot into your Debian partition. |
| 15:19.53 | waxmop | resiak: i just don't have a local X server, that's all. |
| 15:19.57 | resiak | waxmop: Yeah, well. |
| 15:19.59 | waxmop | not trying to be l33t |
| 15:20.01 | resiak | waxmop: I was only suggesting :) |
| 15:20.03 | matt___ | resiak: Then what command is it? |
| 15:20.19 | PerfDave | matt___: chroot is the command to chroot |
| 15:20.27 | paulswm | !wun PerfDave |
| 15:20.30 | paulswm | !win PerfDave |
| 15:20.31 | dpkg | Congratulations, PerfDave! You have won a lifetime supply of spam! |
| 15:20.34 | matt___ | PerfDave: I've done that, what's the command to apt a new kernel |
| 15:20.49 | waxmop | now i need to learn how to let screen and emacs play nice together. |
| 15:20.56 | jethro | matt___: man man |
| 15:20.57 | zeno | jethro --> well ok, I know that.. but u said to reboot! :P |
| 15:21.09 | resiak | matt___: Mount your Debian partition. Chroot into it. apt-get update; apt-cache search kernel-image-2.6; pick one; apt-get install it |
| 15:21.11 | sundial | hello does anyone know what the "+" means on some partitions when I do fdisk /dev/sda |
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| 15:21.12 | zeno | it's prety fast... so I don't worry about rebooting ;) |
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| 15:21.26 | resiak | waxmop: Rebind screen's use of C-a to something else. |
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| 15:21.29 | paulswm | sundial: man fdisk or man sfdisk |
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| 15:21.34 | resiak | zeno: But you don't need to. |
| 15:21.40 | sundial | i did nothing there |
| 15:21.43 | matt___ | ffs |
| 15:21.48 | matt___ | no network support :@ |
| 15:22.01 | resiak | matt___: Just get Knoppix. |
| 15:22.01 | zeno | resiak --> I loged out, and in again .. that did NOT work .. |
| 15:22.03 | paulswm | sundial: it means that partitions do not start/end on the boundary of the displayed units |
| 15:22.05 | pquaas | i have a problem |
| 15:22.05 | colde89 | what is to do that i can see x-shockwave-flash aplications on firefox? |
| 15:22.05 | pquaas | <pquaas> whith my debian |
| 15:22.05 | pquaas | <pquaas> i start whith kernel panic |
| 15:22.05 | pquaas | <pquaas> y have put knoppix to rescue |
| 15:22.05 | pquaas | <pquaas> but in the hd i can see only the lost+found |
| 15:22.05 | pquaas | <pquaas> what can i do |
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| 15:22.07 | resiak | zeno: Then you did something wrong. |
| 15:22.08 | zeno | i REBOOTED .. now it DOES work :S |
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| 15:22.18 | mrwill | resiak: thought you had to recompile screen to change that binding. |
| 15:22.22 | zeno | should not have to .. |
| 15:22.23 | zeno | but it is .. |
| 15:22.23 | jethro | zeno: make sure you know how to add your zeno user to the www-data group |
| 15:22.25 | resiak | mrwill: Uh... I don't think that you do. |
| 15:22.27 | zeno | so it IS strange :S |
| 15:22.42 | zeno | nano -w /etc/group |
| 15:22.44 | abrotman | maybe it's all lost+found :) |
| 15:22.46 | matt___ | resiak: ok, need a small iso really |
| 15:22.51 | matt___ | wanna get it done quick |
| 15:22.52 | zeno | behind www-gropu:x:33:zeno |
| 15:22.52 | ciga | anyone with sata raid + sarge? |
| 15:22.54 | zeno | hoppa! |
| 15:22.54 | sundial | is that a bad thing? |
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| 15:22.58 | jethro | zeno: how come id doesn't show up with www-data group? |
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| 15:23.02 | abrotman | pquaas: don't flood the channel |
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| 15:23.08 | abrotman | !tell pquaas about paste |
| 15:23.09 | zeno | id does now .. |
| 15:23.10 | pquaas | no |
| 15:23.13 | zeno | the only thing i did was reboot! :S |
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| 15:23.19 | zeno | strange it is :S |
| 15:23.27 | jethro | zeno: ls -lad /var/www |
| 15:23.33 | jethro | check the perms and ownership |
| 15:23.36 | resiak | mrwill: man screen, look at the -e option. |
| 15:23.44 | sundial | paulswm : is that a bad thing? |
| 15:23.45 | zeno | could it be one of the logins crahsed ? |
| 15:23.52 | pquaas | i have a big problem whith my debian |
| 15:23.54 | zeno | but " IT WORKS! " |
| 15:23.57 | zeno | :D :D :D |
| 15:24.00 | jethro | ... |
| 15:24.02 | zeno | Thanks for the help Jehtro! |
| 15:24.04 | zeno | and others ;) |
| 15:24.14 | paulswm | sundial: probably not, if you are dual booting and the other OS doesn't have probs with it, you're fine |
| 15:24.20 | PerfDave | !faq matt___ |
| 15:24.20 | dpkg | matt___: http://www.linuks.mine.nu/debian-faq/ |
| 15:24.25 | pquaas | i start whith kernel panic |
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| 15:24.40 | pquaas | y have put knoppix to rescue |
| 15:24.40 | zeno | it says 0775 2 root www-data 4096 feb 4 18:00 /var/www |
| 15:24.50 | pquaas | but in the hd i can see only the lost+found |
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| 15:25.02 | pquaas | what can i do |
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| 15:25.23 | mrwill | resiak: yes, I see that. don't know why I couldn't figure this out before. |
| 15:25.30 | resiak | mrwill: :) man is your friend., |
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| 15:25.52 | sundial | paulswm : I'm not dual booting - but the partitions were the ones 'suggested' as the default - so the install did it - shouldn't it have done it on the 'boundaries; |
| 15:25.57 | sgeigerbot | man is your best friend, dog. |
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| 15:26.20 | paulswm | sundial: Linux doesn't care about the boundaries |
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| 15:26.35 | pquaas | y have ext3 |
| 15:26.43 | greycat | y not? |
| 15:26.44 | abrotman | I |
| 15:26.45 | paulswm | sundial: Linux addresses disk sectors |
| 15:26.48 | abrotman | not y |
| 15:26.53 | abrotman | !es |
| 15:26.53 | dpkg | Hispanohablantes: Por favor usen #debian-es, alli obtendran mas ayuda. Spanish Speakers: Please use #debian-es, there you will get much more help. |
| 15:27.07 | sgeigerbot | Rawplayer: Re: "<Rawplayer> sgeigerbot: i have vpn already with openvpn but i justed wanted to know what the other options are"> DAMN..don't you know how to use google? |
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| 15:28.05 | pquaas | okgracias |
| 15:28.17 | lord_rob | probably a stupid question, but is there a wine-like program way to run solaris binaries under linux ? |
| 15:28.42 | theJackal | look, ive seen people think that side bar in IE for searching,.. is where you enter your URL's |
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| 15:29.16 | jethro | theJackal: there is no limit to human stupidity |
| 15:29.17 | resiak | theJackal: A lot of people seem to think that the only way to go to a URL is to Google it. |
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| 15:30.01 | theJackal | lord_rob:shouldnt just installing all the execution libs like A.OUT in the kernel to enabld do most the trick? |
| 15:30.03 | travisat | lord_rob: http://www.ugcs.caltech.edu/~steven/lxrun/ |
| 15:30.30 | travisat | lord_rob: google is almost as useful as man. |
| 15:30.31 | theJackal | apart from library compatibility issues of course... |
| 15:30.31 | sgeigerbot | resiak: You can also click on one. |
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| 15:30.45 | sgeigerbot | ;-) |
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| 15:31.02 | sgeigerbot | resiak: it's in the AOL, I swear. I downloaded the Internet again but couldn't find it. |
| 15:31.11 | travisat | hmm wait I got it backwards |
| 15:31.20 | itom | hi all, is possible to use a Window share printer? |
| 15:31.30 | sgeigerbot | itom: yes |
| 15:31.32 | sgeigerbot | itom: samba |
| 15:31.33 | resiak | sgeigerbot: Did you try spider search googling? My nephew tells me that all of the loot hacksers do that. |
| 15:31.39 | Rawplayer | sgeigerbot: i know howto google but asking can never harm |
| 15:31.55 | sgeigerbot | resiak: There's a book now called _Google Hacking_ which explains how to od this. |
| 15:32.02 | sgeigerbot | resiak: it's actually pretty effective. |
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| 15:32.18 | sgeigerbot | resiak: it |
| 15:32.20 | theJackal | like that dude on napster .. " i was downloading this track from this dude, and as soon as i was done, he started downloading it off me.. so i asked him what he was doing,.. and he said 'getting myf file back FUCKER' " |
| 15:32.34 | resiak | theJackal: Yes, thank you for quoting bash.org. :) |
| 15:32.38 | jethro | there also is a site for google hacking trick |
| 15:32.39 | jethro | s |
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| 15:32.56 | paulswm | theJackal: that is too funny |
| 15:33.07 | theJackal | dpkg bot needs a bash.org quote retreiver |
| 15:33.07 | dpkg | theJackal: parse error: dunno what the heck you're talking about |
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| 15:33.19 | itom | sgeigerbot, I use samba to share folders from linux to other client, you mean that with samba I can use a printer installed in a nt machine? |
| 15:33.28 | sgeigerbot | jethro: this is related to the book: http://johnny.ihackstuff.com/index.php?module=prodreviews |
| 15:33.37 | theJackal | dpkg: didnt think you would |
| 15:33.37 | dpkg | theJackal: I'm not sure, is it larger than a breadbox? |
| 15:33.39 | travisat | !lart me |
| 15:33.40 | abrotman | why in gods name would you want to run a solaris binary? |
| 15:33.46 | sgeigerbot | itom: google. yes, that's what I meant. |
| 15:33.50 | jethro | sgeigerbot: indeed |
| 15:33.54 | sondial | paulswm : maybe you can tell me if I need the corba server running? |
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| 15:34.03 | theJackal | cos the sun shines out of solaruses arse. |
| 15:34.09 | theJackal | :P |
| 15:34.27 | abrotman | solaris' arse ? |
| 15:34.31 | resiak | Mmm, Solaris 10... |
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| 15:34.36 | resiak | Gah! |
| 15:34.42 | theJackal | yah... |
| 15:34.46 | theJackal | tpyo |
| 15:34.46 | itom | sgeigerbot, thanks |
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| 15:34.50 | paulswm | sondial: no, I can' |
| 15:34.58 | paulswm | t |
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| 15:35.22 | ricky_clarkson | OMG! It's CORBA! |
| 15:35.30 | theJackal | righty dudes.. i need some sleep... its 4:30 am where i is. |
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| 15:35.36 | resiak | Aaaah! It's a SNKAE! |
| 15:35.38 | lord_rob | travisat: I had googled before too, and lxrun seems to do the contrary of what I want to do, i.e. it alows running Linux binaries under solaris ... |
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| 15:35.46 | theJackal | AAGH>. SNAKE! |
| 15:35.54 | directhex|work | solaris 10 apparently runs unmodified linux binaries |
| 15:36.00 | directhex|work | i will test this myself next week |
| 15:36.01 | resiak | theJackal: I think that you missed the point of what I said :) |
| 15:36.03 | abrotman | lord_rob: why the hell would you want to run solaris binaries on linux? |
| 15:36.07 | resiak | directhex|work: What, when the download ends? |
| 15:36.18 | resiak | directhex|work: ;) |
| 15:36.30 | mrwill | abrotman: I think he wants the other way around. |
| 15:36.33 | directhex|work | resiak, sun sent us a machine, it's gonna take a couple of days for the comlab admins to remove all the insecure services to allow it on the network |
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| 15:36.43 | abrotman | mrwill: no .. that's what he's asking for .. lxrun allows linux binaries on solaris |
| 15:36.47 | travisat | I have the solaris isos on disks but they won't install |
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| 15:37.16 | jethro | 16:28:18 lord_rob | probably a stupid question, but is there a wine-like program way to run solaris binaries under linux ? |
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| 15:37.25 | jethro | !lose abrotman |
| 15:37.26 | dpkg | abrotman: You Lose. |
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| 15:37.28 | lord_rob | abrotman: 'cause I have to do Something for uni using warp VHDL. It only exists on window$ and solaris. As I'd prefer not to use windows, I was wondering if it was possible to run the solaris binary |
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| 15:37.50 | Snadder | anyone know why it dosnt work to have two ip's in the same ip range, with the same gateway.. on two diffrent interfaces? |
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| 15:38.07 | travisat | you could install solaris on an extra partition |
| 15:38.11 | jethro | Snadder: not wise to have 2 default gateways if you don't do advanced routing |
| 15:38.38 | Snadder | jethro, not even if those is at diffrent gateways? |
| 15:38.52 | wRd | i've done something hopelessly stupid, and i need help. i have manually purged /usr/X11R6/ because i wanted to remove xorg but i forgot , that there are numerous xlibs in that directory too, now i have a compiled version of x.org 6.8.1 in /usr/local/X11R6.8/ and many missing xlibs, does anyone know how to reinstall broken dependencies that are not shown in apt/dpkg |
| 15:38.53 | Snadder | ant diffrent networks? |
| 15:38.54 | jethro | Snadder: how deep is your knowledge of IP routing? |
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| 15:39.04 | pulu | does anyone know how to quickly clear the ip4 connection tracking table? (what shows up in /proc/net/ip_conntrack)? |
| 15:39.18 | abrotman | jethro: are you stupid .. how did i lose? |
| 15:39.27 | jethro | Snadder: and what do you call gateway? is that the defvault route? or gateways for routes to different networks |
| 15:39.28 | abrotman | idiot |
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| 15:39.34 | mrwill | wRd: damn, if you'd told us what you were doing earlier, we'd have warned you about it. |
| 15:39.43 | abrotman | jethro: you repeated exactly what i said he wanted .. |
| 15:39.47 | jethro | abrotman: you said he wants to run linux binaries on solaris, and he wants the opposite, solaris bins on linux |
| 15:39.56 | abrotman | jethro: no i fucking didn't |
| 15:39.57 | jethro | oh my bad |
| 15:39.59 | abrotman | read what i typed |
| 15:39.59 | mrwill | wRd: as it stands, I'd probably tell you to clean up your own mess. |
| 15:40.02 | CarlosAlex | I have a little problem... bash-2.05b$ /opt/kde/bin/./kmail: error while loading shared libraries: libidn.so.11: cannot open shared object file: No such file or directory,,,,,How solve it ? |
| 15:40.09 | Snadder | jethro, with gateway.. I mean default gateway, which is located at in my network |
| 15:40.11 | jethro | but that's not a reason to call me an idiot is it? nor call me stupid |
| 15:40.19 | Snadder | -in |
| 15:40.21 | abrotman | lord_rob: poke in #solaris or ##linux .. see if they know a way |
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| 15:40.27 | travisat | !jethro |
| 15:40.27 | dpkg | it has been said that jethro is a cool guy |
| 15:40.41 | travisat | !jethro-- |
| 15:40.41 | greycat | wRd: purge all the broken packages and reinstall them |
| 15:40.44 | itom | sgeigerbot, with samba, sure? I found a lot of information that tell to use cups (I never know it) |
| 15:40.49 | mrwill | abrotman, jethro: sorry guys, didn't mean to start an argument. |
| 15:40.56 | wRd | greycat: which of them where? |
| 15:40.57 | jethro | mrwill: no pb |
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| 15:41.10 | greycat | wRd: how the fuck do WE know which ones you broke? |
| 15:41.15 | abrotman | mrwill: damn you .. just damn you to tell :) |
| 15:41.19 | abrotman | err hell |
| 15:41.26 | mrwill | rofl |
| 15:41.41 | resiak | directhex|work: Ah. Nice! |
| 15:41.46 | wRd | greycat: basically is there something like apt-get --reinstall dependencies? |
| 15:41.54 | lord_rob | abrotman: hmmm yes why not, thanks I'll try |
| 15:42.13 | jethro | abrotman: I m sorry you got that offending by me using "!lose abrotman" I swear I won't ever dare doing it again |
| 15:42.19 | Snadder | jethro, my problem is, that my box dosnt work atm. since I got two default gateway settings with two diffrent ips, but in the same network |
| 15:42.28 | greycat | wRd: apt-get --remove xfree86-common; apt-get install x-window-system-core etc. etc. etc. |
| 15:42.35 | abrotman | jethro: it's ok .. just make sure you're right next time .. cause $DIETY knows .. i always am :) |
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| 15:43.20 | wRd | greycat: seems that im spending the night infront of apt , but i'll try |
| 15:44.01 | jethro | Snadder: you need to understand how IP routing works, then you'll know why you can't have 2 default gateways (unless you do some advanced routing which I doubt you do) |
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| 15:45.09 | Snadder | jethro, exactly. so its impossible to get in touch with this box?.. |
| 15:45.32 | Snadder | jethro, I see my bot tries to connect every 10 min.. but times out |
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| 15:45.54 | Snadder | why's that? |
| 15:45.56 | jethro | Snadder: why don't you just remove one of the default route? |
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| 15:46.05 | Pexa___21 | quien me da una pagina para bajarme la ultima version de linux debian |
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| 15:46.12 | Snadder | jethro, couse its impossible to connect to the box |
| 15:46.23 | Snadder | jethro, since all routes is fucked up |
| 15:46.25 | jethro | Snadder: then login on the console |
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| 15:46.36 | PerfDave | !hispanic |
| 15:46.36 | dpkg | somebody said hispanic was por favor use #debian-br para ajuda em portugues; Para los usuarios debian de habla hispaña que requieren la ayuda, ensamble por favor el canal del #debian-es |
| 15:46.37 | Snadder | jethro, what if the box aint at my place? |
| 15:46.41 | Pexa___21 | www.libranet.com |
| 15:46.49 | jethro | Snadder: ask someone to do it for you |
| 15:46.54 | Pexa___21 | quien me da una pagina para bajarme la ultima version de linux debian |
| 15:47.12 | Snadder | hehe.. sure. but I want to fix it myself, if its possible. |
| 15:47.18 | PerfDave | !tell Pexa___21 about libranet |
| 15:47.24 | jethro | Snadder: if it's not a default setting, and you think a reboot could help, have someone reboot the machine the hard way |
| 15:47.33 | PerfDave | !tell Pexa___21 about hispanic |
| 15:47.41 | jethro | Snadder: you can if you can reach a box in the same network |
| 15:47.51 | jethro | and bounce through it |
| 15:47.57 | Pexa___21 | i speak spanish ok |
| 15:48.02 | Snadder | jethro, your sure? |
| 15:48.06 | jethro | Snadder: 100% |
| 15:48.15 | Snadder | jethro, nice!:)) |
| 15:48.17 | PerfDave | Pexa___21: I'm sure you do. Go speak it somewhere where it's welcome ;0 |
| 15:48.36 | Pexa___21 | not spaek english |
| 15:48.45 | Pexa___21 | not write |
| 15:48.46 | theJackal | i speak java. |
| 15:48.53 | jethro | I speak too much |
| 15:49.05 | PerfDave | I speak dead people. No, wait... |
| 15:49.10 | jethro | heh |
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| 15:49.21 | theJackal | i see dumb people |
| 15:49.24 | Pexa___21 | where are you from |
| 15:49.31 | Tearran | I see an ass |
| 15:49.38 | theJackal | hey.. thats mine |
| 15:49.38 | zno | jbot: babelfish en es test |
| 15:50.07 | zno | I like big butts and I cannot lie |
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| 15:50.33 | Tearran | zno: errg now that song is going to be stuck in my HEAD!!! |
| 15:50.34 | theJackal | shure you can lie... |
| 15:50.42 | green_earz | <PROTECTED> |
| 15:50.57 | jethro | isn't it debian-es ? |
| 15:51.00 | valdyn_ | wRd: removing X completely, then reinstalling should do the bigger part, /msg dpkg remove x |
| 15:51.04 | theJackal | lol |
| 15:51.10 | green_earz | ?? |
| 15:51.16 | Snadder | jethro, but if I set up two default gateways/ip's on two diffrent networks, then it will work I assume? |
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| 15:51.25 | theJackal | screw installing X.. get XORG sources and compile them |
| 15:51.32 | jethro | Snadder: you need to understand what default route means |
| 15:51.32 | mith | is there an easy way to build a local debian repository that only includes a certain list of packages and their dependancies? |
| 15:51.36 | Tearran | can you use samba to share file from linux to linux? |
| 15:51.44 | Pexa___21 | idiot |
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| 15:51.55 | theJackal | default route.. aint that like.. your wife? |
| 15:51.56 | Tearran | jerk |
| 15:52.05 | jethro | Snadder: you usually don't have 2 default routes on the same host |
| 15:52.16 | jethro | Snadder: unless you know what to do with two default routes |
| 15:52.19 | Snadder | jethro, yes.. but when I "bind" to an ip, then I will use thats networks default route |
| 15:52.20 | theJackal | thats called polygamy |
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| 15:52.43 | valdyn_ | mith: apt-proxy is kinda neat and still somewhat unreliable. Works fine for me atm. Worth a try. |
| 15:52.59 | Snadder | jethro, I want to be able to log in on ssh, on both ip's |
| 15:53.03 | theJackal | whoa.. that was random |
| 15:53.06 | jethro | Snadder: get a book on networking, then read some advanced routing tuts, but in any case your problem is a debian problem, so you won't get much support here for that case |
| 15:53.07 | mith | valdyn_: how do you mean 'unreliable'? |
| 15:53.28 | jethro | Snadder: you don't need 2 default routes for that |
| 15:53.28 | valdyn_ | mith: its in sid - just try it |
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| 15:53.41 | jethro | you could just use one nic and use IP aliases |
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| 15:53.54 | theJackal | Default = meaing.. where to go when we dont know where to go... |
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| 15:54.04 | torc | hello. i did a kernel upgrade from 2.4 to 2.6. everything looks fine except that i cannot see the login prompt on console (its sparc64). |
| 15:54.10 | torc | what could be the cause? |
| 15:54.13 | mith | valdyn_: I don't have anything running sid. :) |
| 15:54.16 | theJackal | if you have 2 places to go when you dont know where to go.. where do you go? |
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| 15:54.25 | Snadder | jethro, yep.. but I need two routes on diffrent networks |
| 15:54.32 | greycat | theJackal: home. |
| 15:54.34 | valdyn_ | mith: sarge though? |
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| 15:54.51 | jethro | Snadder: what you need is lessons on IP :) |
| 15:54.53 | mith | valdyn_: yes |
| 15:54.57 | theJackal | yes,,.. but your DEFAULT one will be where they go if there not told to go elsewhere |
| 15:55.22 | theJackal | the NON default rout-- ie: an IP range, has to be specified .... |
| 15:55.43 | valdyn_ | mith: it might install cleanly on sarge , i dont know. Im using it in pure sid. |
| 15:55.50 | Snadder | jethro, I know alot about how networking works in general. but maybe not too much about spesific routing issues |
| 15:56.08 | Snadder | jethro, any good place to read about IP? |
| 15:56.22 | mith | valdyn_: there's got to be another way =/ |
| 15:56.28 | valdyn_ | greycat: hah, well.. |
| 15:56.28 | torc | any comments on 2.4->2.6 serial console issue? please... |
| 15:56.29 | jethro | Snadder: google :p |
| 15:56.29 | theJackal | ie: IF (x <> iprange) then do this , else if (x <> iprange) then do this, else do default |
| 15:56.41 | valdyn_ | mith: various other tools, |
| 15:56.49 | theJackal | !rftm |
| 15:56.51 | valdyn_ | mith: i still think apt-proxy is the best |
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| 15:56.56 | theJackal | !rtfm |
| 15:56.56 | dpkg | rumour has it, rtfm is Read The Fucking Manual. If you want to ask a question about foo, please read man foo; before asking. If there isn't a manpage about foo, use apropos to find one. Reading manuals helps us help you. [You might try info foo as well.] |
| 15:57.18 | theJackal | LD |
| 15:57.19 | theJackal | :D |
| 15:57.59 | paulswm | Snadder: there are several tutorials at about.debian, here's one: http://www.aboutdebian.com/network.htm |
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| 15:58.20 | valdyn_ | mith: apt-cacher, no idea in what shape it is |
| 15:59.12 | valdyn_ | mith: only real stable would be setting up squid to cache all debs, afaik |
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| 15:59.49 | mith | that's not a bad idea actually |
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| 16:00.53 | takatumi | running sid, is it wise to set up a local apt-repository? bandwidth ain't too good. |
| 16:00.53 | sgeigerbot | itom: cups and samba are both ways to print |
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| 16:01.08 | takatumi | for two machines. |
| 16:01.20 | valdyn_ | takatumi: sure, i'd use apt-proxy for that |
| 16:01.25 | abrotman | takatumi: apt-proxy |
| 16:01.35 | valdyn_ | takatumi: err wrong, i _do_ use it for that |
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| 16:03.46 | takatumi | would apt-proxy work on a secondary machine(desktop), while most of my stuff is for the primary machine (laptop). |
| 16:04.14 | valdyn_ | takatumi: its a http server listening on its own port |
| 16:04.21 | jetscreamer | yeah, how come 2 out of 3 of my sid boxes never need to d/l .debs for a apt-get dist-upgrade. |
| 16:04.23 | itom | sgeigerbot, you mean that print "over smb" to a windows share printer is possible? |
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| 16:04.48 | takatumi | ok, will do. |
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| 16:05.19 | valdyn_ | deb http://192.168.1.1:9999/debian sid main contrib non-free |
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| 16:05.43 | e2e | Hi, i've just installed debian on a powerpc. Installation was finished succesfuly, but now it couldn't start, asks me where to start... |
| 16:06.19 | Daffy-PKF | lo |
| 16:06.24 | takatumi | e2e: and does that happen over and over again? |
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| 16:07.21 | e2e | takatumi: if your mean is "restart can solve problem", yes i tryed 2 times, but still asks where to start |
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| 16:07.49 | takatumi | e2e: what do you mean "where to start"? |
| 16:07.52 | e2e | takatumi: And i've also tryed reinstall, but still same |
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| 16:08.18 | e2e | takatumi: Classic apple screen, a folder icon and a ? mark on it |
| 16:08.22 | takatumi | !ppc |
| 16:08.22 | dpkg | i guess ppc is short for powerpc, and powerpc is the superior architecture. You worship it, and wish you were running on it. Check out http://www.debian.org/ports/powerpc, or visit #debianppc |
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| 16:09.05 | takatumi | on a ppc you don't get a grub or lilo screen? a where to start icon instead?? |
| 16:10.06 | trc | where do you put the window codecs for mplayer (sid) downloaded from mplayerh.hu? |
| 16:10.13 | e2e | takatumi: I've no idea about what could be the problem. Yes, it's installed yaboo as boot manager |
| 16:10.14 | MaxxJag | need help with debian woody kernel upgrade to 2.4.18 |
| 16:10.23 | takatumi | trc: /msg dpkg marillat |
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| 16:10.48 | takatumi | e2e: try ##debianppc |
| 16:10.52 | takatumi | err |
| 16:10.53 | trc | thanks takatumi |
| 16:10.57 | takatumi | #debianppc |
| 16:11.08 | flow | guys i need help with my debmirror ... gpg --keyserver keyring.debian.org --recv-keys 38C6029A and 1DB114E0 it down work |
| 16:11.29 | flow | Release signature does not verify and cant find key |
| 16:11.35 | e2e | takatumi: Thanks... |
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| 16:12.14 | linuchsan | e2e:http://penguinppc.org/bootloaders/yaboot/doc/yaboot-howto.shtml/ch9.en.shtml#s9.2 |
| 16:12.18 | MaxxJag | I added the initrd line in lilo and it spams me with many erros about bad file system if I don't it gives me a unable to mount root system |
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| 16:13.16 | trc | hmm, is marillat codecs collection complete? |
| 16:13.28 | goetmet | how do I open vim or emacs with highlighting support ? |
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| 16:14.02 | trc | goetmet, use '.emacs' for that |
| 16:14.22 | caphuso | goetmet: put (global-font-lock-mode t) in your ~/.emacs |
| 16:14.31 | caphuso | and "syntax on" in .vimrc |
| 16:14.38 | valdyn_ | goetmet: put "syntax on" into ~/.vimrc |
| 16:14.41 | resiak | !tell goetmet about vim syntax highlighting |
| 16:14.47 | goetmet | ok, lets see |
| 16:14.57 | takatumi | goetmet: :syntax on (vim) F10 "o" "s" (emacs) if you want to do it at whim. |
| 16:15.03 | goetmet | I've always used pico.. what's most like Pico? emacs or vim ? |
| 16:15.16 | caphuso | goetmet: neither |
| 16:15.31 | goetmet | well |
| 16:15.54 | MaxxJag | can anyone help me with my problem? |
| 16:16.44 | takatumi | MaxxJag: is it a production server? |
| 16:17.00 | MaxxJag | production? |
| 16:17.15 | takatumi | !dic production |
| 16:17.16 | PerfDave | goetmet: nano |
| 16:17.19 | takatumi | !dict production |
| 16:17.23 | dpkg | Dictionary 'production' (3 shown; 11 total): a display that is exaggerated or unduly complicated; "she tends to make a big production out of nothing" ;; the creation of value or wealth by producing goods and services ;; a presentation for the stage or screen or radio or television; "have you seen the new production of Hamlet?". |
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| 16:17.50 | PerfDave | flow: Did you read the latest Debian Weekly News? ;) |
| 16:17.51 | directhex|work | goetmet, use 'nano' |
| 16:18.12 | MaxxJag | hmm, not as far as I know |
| 16:18.14 | takatumi | but isn't nano just pico? he wants to change. |
| 16:18.20 | directhex|work | MaxxJag, is it a desktop pc? |
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| 16:18.28 | directhex|work | MaxxJag, is the hardware all made in 2001 or before? |
| 16:18.39 | goetmet | directhex|work : but it doesnt have highlighting support doesnt it ? |
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| 16:18.45 | MaxxJag | server and 1.3ghz Athlon |
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| 16:19.30 | linux_newbie | i upgraded my gcc and gcc++ and several other related programs last night, but the links still point ot the old version...how do i fix this? |
| 16:19.41 | MaxxJag | I've had this same problem (at least the unable to mount) with the same upgrade on a pentium before |
| 16:19.47 | MaxxJag | I don't remember how I fixed it |
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| 16:20.00 | flow | PerfDave, im linked to the german and there is nothing about it |
| 16:20.02 | MaxxJag | Installed Woody and tried to upgrade to the 2.4.18 kernel |
| 16:20.07 | goetmet | directhex|work : but it doesnt have highlighting support doesnt it ? |
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| 16:20.32 | directhex|work | goetmet, i don't know, i use nano for minor config file edits only |
| 16:20.37 | pingouin | !lm_sensor |
| 16:20.41 | pingouin | !lm_sensors |
| 16:20.43 | dpkg | lm_sensors is, like, http://secure.netroedge.com/~lm78/ | It performs CPU temperature, fan speed monitoring, etc. via kernel modules. Or see the lm-sensors-source package. |
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| 16:22.22 | takatumi | MaxxJag: haven't used woody, was going to recommend dist-upgrading to sarge, however if it's a mission critical system, probably just fix the kernel in woody. |
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| 16:22.35 | MaxxJag | I've looked all over the net for the unable to mount problem but none have helped me, I used the k7 compile of 2.4.18 |
| 16:22.39 | sgeigerbot | I heard recently about a company migrating desktops to linux and using citrix clients to provide Windows-only apps to its users. Anyone else out there doing this? What's the cost? |
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| 16:22.43 | MaxxJag | mission critical...hardly :/ |
| 16:22.48 | ANDRES | hello again |
| 16:23.03 | takatumi | MaxxJag: /msg dpkg woody->sarge |
| 16:23.24 | directhex|work | !d-i |
| 16:23.26 | dpkg | rumour has it, d-i is the new installer for sarge (debian 3.1), at http://www.debian.org/devel/debian-installer/ or see #debian-boot, but don't pester the d-i devs with unrelated questions, or see <debian-installer> |
| 16:23.26 | sgeigerbot | itom: yes. |
| 16:23.53 | linux_newbie | i upgraded my gcc and gcc++ and several other related programs last night, but the links still point ot the old version...how do i fix this? |
| 16:24.04 | sgeigerbot | itom: smbclient -L //192.168.1.118/printer123 -U Administrator -c "print cdw.txt" |
| 16:24.19 | flow | PerfDave, ok there is something, but whats do now??? |
| 16:24.28 | ANDRES | i have an error trying to configure my sound card ......... the module used for your card emu10k1.o is not currently in your module search path please verefy that your kernel modules are corectly installed............how do i correctly installed emu10k1.o? for your help thanks |
| 16:24.33 | MaxxJag | hmm, I think it would probably be less painful (and possible) if I just download the sarge isos |
| 16:24.38 | greycat | ANDRES: uname -r |
| 16:25.05 | ANDRES | 2.4.26 |
| 16:25.19 | greycat | you made a CUSTOM kernel and you expected us not to point and laugh when it didn't work? |
| 16:25.27 | greycat | !pal ANDRES |
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| 16:25.56 | valdyn_ | linux_newbie: _what_ did you update _to_ what? |
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| 16:26.06 | ANDRES | what did i do whats so funny? |
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| 16:26.23 | Smurg | Do I have to install a firewall or does linux provide enough security for my debian based game server |
| 16:26.31 | greycat | built a custom kernel and forgot to include emu10k1 |
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| 16:26.34 | valdyn_ | linux_newbie: gcc-3.4 is not an upgrade to gcc-3.3, its a different compiler |
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| 16:26.39 | ANDRES | i didnt |
| 16:26.49 | linux_newbie | gcc from 3.3 to 3.4 and several other related things...g++ gccbug etc |
| 16:26.50 | ANDRES | i just installed the system |
| 16:27.04 | directhex|work | ANDRES, "the system"? |
| 16:27.08 | directhex|work | ANDRES, what OS did you install? |
| 16:27.11 | ANDRES | debian |
| 16:27.15 | zinx | Smurg: it should provide enough security even if you _DO_ put it behind a firewall... firewalls are not the end-all solution to security :/ |
| 16:27.16 | takatumi | ANDRES: woody? |
| 16:27.20 | greycat | ANDRES: what version? where did you get it? |
| 16:27.22 | ANDRES | sid |
| 16:27.27 | directhex|work | ANDRES, no, you didn't. not with any debian release or almost-release. |
| 16:27.27 | takatumi | hehe |
| 16:27.28 | greycat | !pal ANDRES |
| 16:27.30 | valdyn_ | linux_newbie: rather, its a different package, not an upgrade within debian |
| 16:27.34 | greycat | !tell ANDRES about sid faq |
| 16:27.39 | Smurg | zinx : so what can I do to make sure that Im safe on the net |
| 16:27.40 | linux_newbie | also automake from 1.4 to 1.9 and autoconf from 2.13 to 2.5 |
| 16:27.48 | sgeigerbot | greycat: Hey, buddy, watch it or I'll take away your saucer. |
| 16:27.55 | greycat | !smite sgeigerbot |
| 16:27.56 | valdyn_ | linux_newbie: those arent upgrades either, thats again different packages |
| 16:27.57 | zinx | Smurg: don't run any servers you don't need to, make sure you keep up-to-date |
| 16:28.05 | linux_newbie | ok...but how do i get the gcc command and the related things to point to the newer version |
| 16:28.13 | resiak | ANDRES: How exactly did you install it? |
| 16:28.18 | takatumi | V14GR4 |
| 16:28.35 | directhex|work | linux_newbie, change the symlinks by hand, or pass CC=/usr/bin/gcc-3.4 by hand when compiling |
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| 16:28.40 | zinx | Smurg: if you're really paranoid, use a boot CD to make/check checksums on everything periodicly |
| 16:28.41 | azreal | greycat: i guess you hurt his feelings |
| 16:28.41 | ciga | I want to have sw raid with 2 sata disks on sarge. should I use kernel 2.4, or kernel 2.6? (asus ich6) |
| 16:28.44 | Smurg | zinx : So Im ok with just the debian system installed? Unlike windows where I had to setup all nonsense like zone alarm, AVG antivirus and all |
| 16:28.46 | resiak | ANDRES: How exactly did you install it? |
| 16:28.47 | ANDRES | sorry i got disconected |
| 16:28.47 | greycat | resiak: at this point, we don't care. he got some sort of fucking unofficial "sid ISO" somewhere that's probably a piece of shit, and it has a nonstandard kernel on it, and he Loses. |
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| 16:28.56 | resiak | greycat: True enough. |
| 16:28.58 | zinx | Smurg: if you have anything reasonably recent, yes |
| 16:28.59 | ANDRES | i was gonna tell you guys the truth........... |
| 16:29.06 | takatumi | ....... |
| 16:29.07 | PerfDave | Smurg: You can use something like Bastille to further secure your setup, but it's probably not necessary. |
| 16:29.09 | directhex|work | knoppix 3.4? |
| 16:29.10 | ANDRES | i installed debian from a knoppix cd |
| 16:29.15 | directhex|work | i win! |
| 16:29.17 | ciga | :) |
| 16:29.18 | directhex|work | !win me |
| 16:29.19 | resiak | :win directhex|work |
| 16:29.19 | takatumi | !pal ANDRES |
| 16:29.20 | dpkg | Congratulations, directhex|work! You have won second prize in a beauty contest! |
| 16:29.20 | sgeigerbot | !smite ANDRES |
| 16:29.24 | resiak | Bah, not :. |
| 16:29.27 | PerfDave | ANDRES: No, you installed Knoppix, not Debian. |
| 16:29.40 | Smurg | ANDRES : How did u install Debian frmo KNOPPIX ? :) |
| 16:29.43 | directhex|work | ANDRES, you have knoppix installed, not debian. come back when you install debian, or ask in #knoppix |
| 16:29.45 | greycat | you can't install Debian from a Knoppix CD because a Knoppix CD has Knoppix on it, not Debian. |
| 16:29.49 | ANDRES | theres an option that says.........debian |
| 16:29.55 | greycat | ANDRES: it LIED. |
| 16:30.01 | paulswm | ANDRES: /topic |
| 16:30.01 | greycat | (or you did.) |
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| 16:30.04 | ciga | :} |
| 16:30.08 | Smurg | ANDRES : Knoppix is based on debian, but it really isnt debian |
| 16:30.11 | ANDRES | i came clean |
| 16:30.11 | sgeigerbot | ANDRES: It says "Debian-like" somewhere. Stop lying. |
| 16:30.12 | resiak | !tell ANDRES about debian-based |
| 16:30.14 | theJackal | unless its got a microsection for debian netinstall |
| 16:30.18 | linux_newbie | how do i get the gcc command and the related things to point to the newer version |
| 16:30.18 | FieldySnuts | friggin topic |
| 16:30.19 | resiak | !tell ANDRES about debian based |
| 16:30.30 | FieldySnuts | sgeigerbot: you're right |
| 16:30.30 | PerfDave | IIRC you *can* install Debian using debootstrap from a Knoppix CD, but it's not likely that anybody would use that by accident. |
| 16:30.34 | azreal | ANDRES: youve touched on a sensitive issue. |
| 16:30.47 | greycat | azreal: what, his own stupidity? |
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| 16:30.56 | ciga | hm |
| 16:30.59 | ANDRES | i dont think is too hard for u guys to tell me how to load the emu10k1.o |
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| 16:31.07 | resiak | ANDRES: Knoppix is NOT DEBIAN. |
| 16:31.07 | Smurg | zinx : are antiviral solutions required? |
| 16:31.12 | takatumi | ANDRES: yes, /msg dpkg d-i |
| 16:31.13 | *** mode/#debian [+q *!*@pcp09723961pcs.union01.nj.comcast.net] by greycat |
| 16:31.14 | directhex|work | ANDRES, you don't _HAVE_ emu10k.o, because you have a knoppix kernel, form knoppix |
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| 16:31.17 | theJackal | hehe.. do we need to dub a moron? |
| 16:31.17 | sgeigerbot | ANDRES: modprobe <module> |
| 16:31.17 | PerfDave | ANDRES: You're not running Debian, you're running Knoppix. If you want help with Knoppix, go ask #knoppix |
| 16:31.18 | resiak | ANDRES: Now either go install Debian, or ask in #knoppix |
| 16:31.29 | directhex|work | ANDRES, if you want emu10k, you need a kernel with it, such as those in debian |
| 16:31.30 | greycat | !moron ANDRES |
| 16:31.33 | dpkg | ANDRES: You are moron #46 |
| 16:31.33 | zinx | Smurg: not in a properly administered system; because a virus can only affect the user that ran it |
| 16:31.34 | directhex|work | ANDRES, /msg dpkg d-i |
| 16:31.35 | resiak | Hahah. |
| 16:31.38 | MaxxJag | k, out of all those ISOs which does which? I know of the different cds (flavors) but which is which? |
| 16:31.43 | ciga | where is #kernelnewbies? I mean what is the correct name for now? |
| 16:31.45 | zinx | Smurg: and generally, users have very little programs of their own, if any |
| 16:31.47 | greycat | ciga: oftc |
| 16:31.51 | sgeigerbot | ANDRES: You could just learn to compile your own kernel. I would recommend doing that. |
| 16:31.53 | FieldySnuts | i'd like to print to a network printer here at work, though i've never set up printing in linux. I have cups, where should I start reading? |
| 16:31.56 | takatumi | MaxxJag: get the sarge netinstaller. |
| 16:31.58 | FieldySnuts | yeah i'm with sgeigerbot |
| 16:32.06 | PerfDave | !full cd advocacy |
| 16:32.06 | dpkg | hmm... full cd advocacy is you can download the images while using your computer for something else, but you can't use your computer while Debian is netinstalling. It takes a full desktop install down to under half an hour from a couple of hours, even on ADSL. A full CD image will also have kernel source in case of problems. but only download the first cd, you greedy bastard. |
| 16:32.08 | azreal | i love this place :) |
| 16:32.10 | Smurg | zinx : I see , but I as admin download quite a lot of game tweak utilities from unknown websites |
| 16:32.16 | zinx | Smurg: the only antiviral systems i even know about for linux are for detecting win32 viruses :) |
| 16:32.23 | ciga | greycat: thanks. |
| 16:32.30 | zinx | Smurg: you'll be hard-pressed to find game tweak utilities for linux :/ |
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| 16:32.40 | zinx | Smurg: and you shouldn't be running random programs as root anyway |
| 16:32.44 | Smurg | zinx : I found a few tho |
| 16:32.50 | theJackal | s/unknown websites/warez sites |
| 16:32.51 | zinx | Smurg: only run things as root when you -absolutely- trust them. |
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| 16:33.02 | theJackal | s/tweaks/cracks |
| 16:33.08 | zinx | Smurg: nothing can protect you from yourself. |
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| 16:33.12 | sgeigerbot | PerfDave: downloading the kernel sources takes less time than downloading a full CD... |
| 16:33.12 | Smurg | zinx : Can I trust the stuff on aptitude without doubt? |
| 16:33.17 | PerfDave | takatumi: It's a fuck of a lot faster. |
| 16:33.20 | greycat | takatumi: the problem is the "with a good network" bit. |
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| 16:33.29 | Smurg | zinx : My sources are all debian mirrors |
| 16:33.30 | De_Mon | would someone give me an example of when to use "\( -stuff \)" in find |
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| 16:33.36 | zinx | Smurg: yes, generally.. there's some thing to check the signature on the packages too, if you're truely paranoid |
| 16:33.43 | greycat | De_Mon: when you need to. |
| 16:33.45 | MaxxJag | now to hope my sis900 network card doesn't screw up on this version... |
| 16:33.46 | PerfDave | takatumi: Depending on your definition of "a good network", but netinstalling over 512k ADSL is dog slow. |
| 16:33.51 | greycat | De_Mon: if you don't need to, don't do it. |
| 16:33.52 | Smurg | zinx : yeah i forgot, how do I use the md5sum utility |
| 16:34.03 | resiak | Smurg: man md5sum |
| 16:34.04 | sgeigerbot | Smurg: md5sum <filename> |
| 16:34.13 | takatumi | PerfDave: worked fine over my ~10KB/s dsl eth, went for the biz card yet again. |
| 16:34.14 | valdyn_ | Smurg: it depends on what level of trust you want. Official debian mirrors are about as safe as the release you're getting off them. |
| 16:34.15 | paulswm | PerfDave: no bad over 5MBit cable, though (/me ducks) |
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| 16:34.27 | De_Mon | greycat I can't come up with a time I'd need it |
| 16:34.28 | PerfDave | takatumi: You clearly have much more patience than me ;) |
| 16:34.30 | MaxxJag | 3Mbps Cable |
| 16:34.31 | caphuso | De_Mon: there are a few in the documentation. run "info find" |
| 16:34.36 | zinx | Smurg: it's not md5sum.. it's a script that automatically checks openpgp sigs; named "apt-check-sigs" or something |
| 16:34.37 | De_Mon | oh |
| 16:34.38 | MaxxJag | downloading at 110.8 |
| 16:34.42 | valdyn_ | Smurg: in other words, sid isnt trustworth, no matter what your source is |
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| 16:35.03 | Smurg | valdyn_: Its Sarge |
| 16:35.33 | theJackal | lucky cunts... we have a non-competitive monopolizig telecomunications company... and theyve just made DSL affordable |
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| 16:36.03 | theJackal | monopolizing |
| 16:36.13 | MaxxJag | theJackal: you could start your own ISP and own them with low low prices |
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| 16:36.29 | theJackal | nope... we have to go through them for everything... |
| 16:36.35 | MaxxJag | not for cable |
| 16:36.38 | sgeigerbot | FieldySnuts: check this out: http://cups.sourceforge.net/xpp/ |
| 16:36.46 | theJackal | we dont even HAVE cable |
| 16:36.52 | takatumi | s/to it/to get it/ |
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| 16:37.08 | FieldySnuts | sgeigerbot: alright |
| 16:37.10 | MaxxJag | sattelite internet |
| 16:37.19 | takatumi | at ~5KB/s |
| 16:37.45 | theJackal | you still need an upstream line.. |
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| 16:37.58 | MaxxJag | 56k |
| 16:38.02 | orjan | Is Kerberus+NIS a safe setup or are there other problem with NIS still? |
| 16:38.03 | MaxxJag | that's what most ppl use |
| 16:38.03 | sgeigerbot | FieldySnuts: "apt-get install cupsys cupsys-bsd cupsomatic-ppd foomatic-db" Hit http://localhost:631/ and add a new printer. Enjoy! |
| 16:38.17 | sgeigerbot | FieldySnuts: apparently you need to log on with the root users's username and password |
| 16:38.25 | valdyn_ | Smurg: thats better then, cant say more unless you specify which level of trust you need. |
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| 16:38.32 | theJackal | the BEST deal in the country, is currently 256k DSL, NO-DATACAP , 49NZ$ per month, 99NZ$ install |
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| 16:38.39 | MaxxJag | ow |
| 16:38.51 | ciga | is there a channel for sata + raid? |
| 16:39.08 | MaxxJag | no install 3 months at 19.99$ CAD with 5$ for no cap |
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| 16:39.24 | theJackal | :O |
| 16:39.28 | MaxxJag | 3mbps down 384kbps up |
| 16:39.34 | MaxxJag | or so they say |
| 16:39.35 | takatumi | MaxxJag: that sounds drooly. |
| 16:39.36 | theJackal | thats crazy.... |
| 16:39.40 | PerfDave | Well, when I were a lad, I were netinstallin' Debian on a ZX Spectrum with no keyboard and no internet connection. I had to write packets down on the back of old receipts with a stub of broken pencil lead, and tie them to passing animals in the hope that some day they'd reach the Internet. And when I did get a reply, I had to input it into the machine by short-circuiting with my own body lines on the motherboard which was wired to 100kV. |
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| 16:39.50 | MaxxJag | 110.8KB/sec != 3.0mbps |
| 16:39.52 | nome | hi |
| 16:39.53 | theJackal | i mean, i pulled a GIG on my first day of adsl... |
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| 16:40.08 | nome | where is the file .xsession? |
| 16:40.12 | theJackal | (mind, i pulled 4 Gig a month on Dial up.. good ol Deflate compression) |
| 16:40.17 | PerfDave | nome: Probably in $HOME |
| 16:40.25 | takatumi | PerfDave: if it wasn't for the 100kV, you almost sold me that story. |
| 16:40.35 | MaxxJag | but I've done 450KB/s down a few days back |
| 16:40.39 | nome | PerfDave: .____. no ... just xsessions-error |
| 16:40.40 | azreal | did anyone ever end up useing term, the old psedo slip daemon thing, with a collections of apps? |
| 16:40.53 | PerfDave | takatumi: You have *seen* old Speccies, right? ;) |
| 16:41.20 | takatumi | PerfDave: :) |
| 16:41.22 | PCPN | Question about using Debian for a development platform: I have heard that Debian will support some type of virtual or nested system within the system to isolate development and testing? could someone direct me to more specific details, please? |
| 16:41.30 | PerfDave | nome: Well, I've got one :) |
| 16:41.45 | PerfDave | PCPN: You can develop in a chroot, or inside something like qemu or vmware... |
| 16:41.53 | vwirem | nome, maybe you use the default one, /etc/X11/Xsession |
| 16:41.55 | valdyn_ | !debootstrap |
| 16:41.58 | dpkg | it has been said that debootstrap is <caphuso> get the debootstrap source from http://packages.debian.org/, compile it, read the man page, install debian with it </caphuso>. Useful for installing in a chroot. Also ask me about <chroot install> |
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| 16:42.06 | KimHansen | PCPN: vserver |
| 16:42.07 | De_Mon | "find ~ \( -name '*~' -o -name '#*#' \) -print0" why are \( \) being used in this? |
| 16:42.10 | takatumi | PCPN: xen? |
| 16:42.15 | nome | i'm using gdm and i would run fvwm-themes and not fvwm on x loading |
| 16:42.30 | De_Mon | their the only 2 criteria... |
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| 16:42.42 | PCPN | thanks guys, I willcheck them out... |
| 16:42.48 | De_Mon | they're |
| 16:42.57 | KimHansen | De_Mon: otherwise the shell would interpret them |
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| 16:43.23 | sgeigerbot | FieldySnuts: apt-get install xpp; xpp |
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| 16:43.28 | sgeigerbot | FieldySnuts: that is pretty sweet. |
| 16:43.30 | rhowe | De_Mon: I think the parenthesis are superfluous |
| 16:43.36 | sgeigerbot | FieldySnuts: let me know if you have problems getting cups set up. |
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| 16:43.50 | De_Mon | KimHansen ... thats not what I ment, rhowe I do too... |
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| 16:44.02 | orjan | Is Kerberos+NIS a safe setup or are there other problem with NIS still? |
| 16:44.03 | greycat | De_Mon: easy enough to test it and find out |
| 16:44.04 | takatumi | the bot should be trained to add karma on a keyword related to gratitude |
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| 16:44.07 | De_Mon | seems to be more of a readability thing |
| 16:44.18 | caphuso | De_Mon: because without the \( \) you'd only get files matching #*# |
| 16:44.22 | paulswm | theJackal: her in Florida: 5Mbit download, 512Kbit upload, $44.95 (USD), no limits, flat rate |
| 16:44.26 | paulswm | s/her/here/ |
| 16:44.28 | greycat | takatumi: it would have to learn ALL THREE HUNDRED NINETY FIVE MISSPELLING of "thanks" |
| 16:44.34 | greycat | +S |
| 16:44.35 | takatumi | greycat: :) |
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| 16:45.15 | sgeigerbot | greycat: that can be accomplished with a simple regex |
| 16:45.21 | sgeigerbot | ...200 lines long. |
| 16:45.28 | nome | how can i run fvwm-themes-start and not fvwm? |
| 16:45.42 | greycat | however you ran fvwm... change it to run fvwm-themes-start instead. |
| 16:45.45 | greycat | HTH. HAND. |
| 16:45.50 | caphuso | De_Mon: # find ~ \( -name '*~' -o -name '#*#' \) -print | wc -l |
| 16:45.50 | caphuso | 1545 |
| 16:46.00 | nome | in the man they say i should modify a xsessions file i haven't |
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| 16:46.04 | caphuso | De_Mon: # find ~ -name '*~' -o -name '#*#' -print | wc -l |
| 16:46.04 | sgeigerbot | greycat: I didn't think it could be that simple... |
| 16:46.04 | caphuso | 6 |
| 16:46.17 | greycat | nome: that's because gdm is EEEEVIL. |
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| 16:46.31 | caphuso | De_Mon: and a last one: # find ~ -name '#*#' -print | wc -l |
| 16:46.31 | caphuso | 6 |
| 16:46.40 | paulswm | !start a dm war |
| 16:46.41 | dpkg | gdm is just shit! |
| 16:46.48 | paulswm | heh, perfect |
| 16:46.52 | nome | greycat: any solution? |
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| 16:46.53 | MaxxJag | interesting, XP decided my wireless was better to get to the internet than my wired connection |
| 16:47.01 | FieldySnuts | sgeigerbot: nah got cups going, boy was that easy. just socket://ip:port and done |
| 16:47.01 | greycat | nome: yes. learn how to configure gdm, or stop using it. |
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| 16:47.16 | mrwill | once I've built a package with dh_make_perl, I just use dpkg to install it, right? |
| 16:47.22 | caphuso | mrwill: yes |
| 16:47.22 | greycat | mrwill: yup |
| 16:47.23 | felipe | Hi there! |
| 16:47.23 | sgeigerbot | FieldySnuts: great. what do you think about xpp? |
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| 16:47.29 | FieldySnuts | sgeigerbot: didn't need it |
| 16:47.40 | sgeigerbot | FieldySnuts: try it. it is COOL. |
| 16:47.46 | mrwill | well, that was easy. |
| 16:47.48 | azreal | i am contemplateing removeing XP from my other drive, and sending my copy back to MS. |
| 16:47.49 | Neelix_ | hi |
| 16:47.50 | FieldySnuts | i might sometime |
| 16:47.58 | FieldySnuts | azreal: send the EULA too |
| 16:48.03 | felipe | Where can I found some informations on where I activate 3D acceleration??? |
| 16:48.06 | azreal | its like haveing a virus on my other drive |
| 16:48.07 | abrotman | !dri |
| 16:48.09 | dpkg | somebody said dri was Direct Rendering Infrastructure, now available in xfree86 4.0, see http://dri.sourceforge.net , or at #dri |
| 16:48.10 | felipe | s/found/find |
| 16:48.18 | sgeigerbot | FieldySnuts: do it now before you forget. seriously...you will be surprised. |
| 16:48.20 | MaxxJag | I'm too stuck on Windows to stop using it as my main OS |
| 16:48.26 | FieldySnuts | azreal: hehe I kicked MS off my system in 99, it's curiously liberating |
| 16:48.27 | Neelix_ | who can help me with grub? |
| 16:48.28 | MaxxJag | I figure Linux is better for Servers anyways |
| 16:48.38 | sgeigerbot | !+better |
| 16:48.40 | dpkg | methinks better is a matter of personal taste; asking "is foo better than bar?" is almost meaningless unless we know what *you* mean by "better". |
| 16:48.40 | KimHansen | De_Mon: If you drop the -print the implicit added print also adds the () |
| 16:48.40 | felipe | abrotman thats it? |
| 16:48.44 | greycat | !tell Neelix_ about ask |
| 16:48.46 | si|vercat | how do I set up auto-mounting when plugged in for usb mass storage devices? |
| 16:48.46 | FieldySnuts | sgeigerbot: alright |
| 16:48.58 | green_earz | felipe: nvidia 3d card ? |
| 16:49.00 | sussudio | !aolify sgeigerbot |
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| 16:49.18 | torc | does serial console require CONFIG_SERIO_SERPORT ? |
| 16:49.27 | felipe | green_earz Diamond stealth III s540 |
| 16:49.47 | sussudio | felipe: craptastic |
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| 16:49.52 | MaxxJag | hehe, AOL support |
| 16:50.02 | felipe | sussudio what u mean? |
| 16:50.05 | FieldySnuts | @u |
| 16:50.09 | sussudio | felipe: that's an s3 savage crapcard, btw. |
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| 16:50.14 | FieldySnuts | no ravenbird nevermind |
| 16:50.14 | MaxxJag | CONFIG_AOLSUPPORT yes |
| 16:50.15 | takatumi | si|vercat: pmount, supermount, gnome-volumemanager (haven't tried any of them) |
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| 16:50.20 | greycat | MaxxJag: haha |
| 16:50.22 | felipe | sussudio yep |
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| 16:50.30 | felipe | sussudio Can I activate it? |
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| 16:50.52 | sussudio | felipe: if by 'activate', you mean 'chuck it out the windows and get a card that doesn't suck', yes |
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| 16:50.52 | nighter | i have tried to type ++ in the .rhost file in the users home directory and in /etc/host.equiv shouldnt the user be possible to login then whitout a password? |
| 16:51.01 | green_earz | felipe: do a lspci -v and see what it say for your video card |
| 16:51.09 | linoleum | hello , how Can I use a specific window manager when I lauche a seconde X session : startx -- :1 , but an option is missing, and I dont knwo , help me please |
| 16:51.12 | De_Mon | caphuso yeah.. I get 6 with both of them |
| 16:51.19 | MaxxJag | CONFIG_MSFEATURES yes |
| 16:51.31 | linoleum | I would like to use fluxbox in my seconde X session |
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| 16:51.37 | caphuso | De_Mon: then you don't have *~ or #*# files |
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| 16:51.56 | |NAVI| | hi ppl |
| 16:51.57 | felipe | Subsystem: Diamond Multimedia Systems Stealth III S540 |
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| 16:52.01 | De_Mon | I've got 3 of each |
| 16:52.03 | takatumi | MaxxJag: it's getting old now. |
| 16:52.17 | |NAVI| | who want gmail acounts |
| 16:52.24 | |NAVI| | i have 56 invitations |
| 16:52.27 | sussudio | !fist |NAVI| |
| 16:52.32 | takatumi | |NAVI|: stop spamming. |
| 16:52.35 | MaxxJag | I know I know |
| 16:52.38 | zinx | omg howd u get so many their so rare!!11oneoneone |
| 16:52.40 | felipe | green_earz that first line? |
| 16:52.46 | MaxxJag | at least I haven't thrown a third one |
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| 16:53.03 | paulswm | !win zinx |
| 16:53.04 | dpkg | Congratulations, zinx! You have won the time-life collection of vintage AOL CDs, a set of 120! |
| 16:53.06 | De_Mon | -name '*.jpg' -o -name '*.bmp' gave the same wc as with \( \) and I saw files of both types using both examples |
| 16:53.14 | green_earz | felipe: here is a link for the nvidia howto > http://home.comcast.net/~andrex/Debian-nVidia/ |
| 16:53.22 | De_Mon | is bash being a smartass? |
| 16:53.26 | caphuso | De_Mon: uh |
| 16:53.43 | De_Mon | \( -stuff \) as -stuff |
| 16:53.51 | greycat | bash doesn't do anything to \( except turn it into ( |
| 16:53.54 | caphuso | De_Mon: you have implicint -prints in there |
| 16:53.55 | azreal | MaxxJag: of course under CONFIG_MSFEATURES, you would have to have a sub-menu of other features, such as: CONFIG_CRASH_ON_APP_EXIT, etc. |
| 16:53.56 | MaxxJag | hmm, is it just me or is the sis900 NIC really a problem in Linux? |
| 16:53.56 | felipe | green_earz green_earz thx! will I be able to make it work?? |
| 16:53.57 | Lee__ | how can I tell if my kernel has the ACL patches already applied? |
| 16:54.00 | nuberus | zinx i have no idea |
| 16:54.12 | green_earz | felipe: as sussudio said check a nvidia card |
| 16:54.16 | greycat | Lee__: if it makes a new configuration option, read /boot/config-$(uname -r) |
| 16:54.26 | felipe | green_earz http://www.baber.com/baber/graphics/agp/diamond_stealth%20_III.htm |
| 16:54.32 | MaxxJag | APP_START APT_USE APT_FLASHYUSELESSFEATURES and that kind of thing of course |
| 16:54.43 | felipe | green_earz its says nvidia there |
| 16:54.48 | caphuso | De_Mon: it's equivalent to '-name "*.jpg" -print -o -name *.bmp" -print', and then you obviously don't need \( \) |
| 16:54.51 | resiak | nuberus: FUCKING GOOGLE IT. |
| 16:55.07 | azreal | MaxxJag: CONFIG_SUSPICIOUS_BACKGROUND_ACTIVITY |
| 16:55.16 | felipe | "True 128-bit processor-NVDIA RIVA 128" |
| 16:55.18 | FieldySnuts | --with-feces |
| 16:55.24 | linoleum | I would like to use fluxbox in my seconde X session , how can I do ??? startx -- :1 ?? how can I specify that I want fluxbox and not an other window manager? |
| 16:55.27 | green_earz | <PROTECTED> |
| 16:55.28 | sgeigerbot | FieldySnuts: and, the verdict on xpp? |
| 16:55.30 | Lee__ | CONFIG_FS_POSIX_ACL=y guess that's it. |
| 16:55.43 | MaxxJag | azreal: it would be scary if Lindows actually emulated those |
| 16:55.55 | felipe | green_earz So that tuto will work for me?! |
| 16:55.58 | FieldySnuts | sgeigerbot: why are you so interested, are you a dev for it? |
| 16:56.07 | paulswm | you guys could get the lot with CONFIG_EMACS_IN_KERNEL yes, save a lot of typing |
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| 16:56.26 | FieldySnuts | --enable-vim-shittyness |
| 16:56.27 | sgeigerbot | FieldySnuts: no. It's just neat. |
| 16:56.28 | green_earz | felipe: yes its for the nvidia video card |
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| 16:56.51 | Nenillo | hi |
| 16:56.55 | paulswm | heh, FieldySnuts must be an emacs person |
| 16:57.02 | felipe | green_earz ok thx man! I just dunno what that phrase means....Is my card from nvdia? |
| 16:57.04 | sgeigerbot | paulswm: doh. |
| 16:57.05 | green_earz | felipe: and yours is by the site specs nvidia |
| 16:57.10 | MaxxJag | Hi, what propaganda can we serve you today |
| 16:57.14 | sgeigerbot | paulswm: ok, ok, you found me out. I like software. |
| 16:57.29 | Nenillo | is there any app to send large amount of mails for a large mail list? |
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| 16:57.39 | Lee__ | Nenillo: GNU Mailman |
| 16:57.41 | resiak | !spamsmite nuberus |
| 16:57.43 | resiak | Uh. |
| 16:57.43 | Nenillo | thx |
| 16:57.45 | resiak | !spamsmite Nenillo |
| 16:57.48 | sgeigerbot | Nenillo: bulkmail |
| 16:57.53 | MaxxJag | Nenillo: O of course, otherwise spam wouldn't exist |
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| 16:58.09 | Nenillo | is not spam |
| 16:58.20 | Lee__ | Is there free software that can send spam for me? |
| 16:58.21 | sgeigerbot | Nenillo: apt-get install bulkmail |
| 16:58.29 | Nenillo | thanks |
| 16:58.30 | greycat | !factinfo CMD: spamsmite (.*?) |
| 16:58.30 | dpkg | CMD: spamsmite (.*?) -- created by toresbe <tsb@developer.skolelinux.no> at Sun Dec 19 01:56:05 2004 (46 days). |
| 16:58.38 | greycat | toresbe: you screwed it up. |
| 16:58.45 | azreal | Lee__: yeah just go sign up for a hotmail.com account |
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| 16:59.23 | sgeigerbot | toresbe: are you one of the family members? |
| 16:59.37 | sss--- | i have all sources in /etc/apt/sources.list set to unstable... |
| 16:59.46 | sss--- | but when i do apt-cache show gallery |
| 16:59.48 | sss--- | it says |
| 16:59.50 | sss--- | Filename: pool/updates/main/g/gallery/gallery_1.2.5-8woody3_all.deb |
| 16:59.53 | sss--- | why woody? |
| 17:00.09 | sss--- | the unstable gallery must be 1.4.x.. |
| 17:00.13 | sgeigerbot | sss---: do this now: apt-get install gallery |
| 17:00.19 | greycat | apt-get update |
| 17:00.49 | xtream | someone here uses centericq?! |
| 17:00.57 | sussudio | !irritate xtream |
| 17:00.58 | dpkg | xtream: hi every1 how can I make my libranet werkz U FUX0RZ |
| 17:00.59 | whaq_ | bienvenue |
| 17:01.00 | felipe | green_earz what is linux IA32? |
| 17:01.08 | nuberus | who want gmail acounts |
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| 17:01.13 | xtream | sussudio lol |
| 17:01.13 | sussudio | nuberus: fuck off |
| 17:01.14 | resiak | nuberus: FUCK OFF |
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| 17:01.15 | greycat | nuberus: fuck off |
| 17:01.19 | drac | nuberus: fuck off |
| 17:01.21 | Nenillo | apt-get install bulkmail <- not found |
| 17:01.22 | terry | How would I add a graphical boot to debian?? |
| 17:01.23 | resiak | nuberus: FUCK OFF |
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| 17:01.28 | sss--- | hmmmm sgeigerbot |
| 17:01.28 | resiak | Oh, shit, already did that. :) |
| 17:01.34 | MaxxJag | hotmail fans I think |
| 17:01.36 | sss--- | 1.4.4 will be instaled ;) |
| 17:01.37 | nuberus | i love you all (k) |
| 17:01.37 | whaq_ | nuberus: fuck off |
| 17:01.38 | sss--- | strange.. |
| 17:01.39 | nuberus | ^^ |
| 17:01.39 | sss--- | :) |
| 17:01.51 | MaxxJag | I don't need another email account |
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| 17:01.56 | greycat | !ia32 |
| 17:01.56 | dpkg | ia32 is probably the primary platform for Quake |
| 17:01.59 | greycat | bah! |
| 17:01.59 | sgeigerbot | Nenillo: I found this: "libmail-bulkmail-perl - Platform independent mailing list module" Check packages.debian.org |
| 17:02.04 | drp | terry, apt-get install kdm |
| 17:02.11 | nuberus | well i have now 40 invitations |
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| 17:02.16 | resiak | nuberus: WE DON'T FUCKING CARE> |
| 17:02.18 | nuberus | ^^ |
| 17:02.20 | greycat | dpkg, no, ia32 is a synonym for i386 (x86). In other words, if you don't know, this is what you have. |
| 17:02.21 | dpkg | greycat: okay |
| 17:02.22 | terry | drp, no I have a display manager, I mean the part where it initializes everything |
| 17:02.24 | Nenillo | sgeigerbot i've found that too |
| 17:02.26 | sgeigerbot | sss---: right... |
| 17:02.27 | nome | how can i create an .xsession file in $HOME? |
| 17:02.28 | terry | drp like suse does |
| 17:02.34 | greycat | nome: with a text editor. |
| 17:02.36 | nuberus | i love you to resiak |
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| 17:02.39 | nuberus | (k) |
| 17:02.40 | greycat | My. fucking. GOD. |
| 17:02.54 | nome | greycat: i mean what should i write... |
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| 17:02.56 | terry | whats with all the swearing in here today?? |
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| 17:03.04 | greycat | !thursday |
| 17:03.05 | dpkg | "This must be Thursday. I could never get the hang of Thursdays." (Arthur Dent) |
| 17:03.06 | felipe | greycat ow ok! myne is a i586 (k6 II 300) |
| 17:03.07 | nome | greycat: i can't find anything about this |
| 17:03.10 | sgeigerbot | terry: It is tight-underwear day. |
| 17:03.14 | sss--- | sgeigerbot: maybe a bug? :p:) |
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| 17:03.25 | greycat | nome: gdm does not read ~/.xsession unless you tell it to use a "Debian session" |
| 17:03.33 | sgeigerbot | sss---: can't you install the newer version? |
| 17:03.55 | takatumi | terry: get your client to been on swear words instead, all will be fine. *bleep* |
| 17:03.57 | sss--- | sgeigerbot no no.. |
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| 17:04.04 | sss--- | i have install the new version.. |
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| 17:04.12 | takatumi | been?BEEP |
| 17:04.16 | sss--- | be back later |
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| 17:04.26 | can-o-worms | does phppgadmin work with apache2 in debian? |
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| 17:04.36 | felipe | greycat is for i586 taht one? or linux ia64 or linux AMD64?? |
| 17:04.41 | MaxxJag | would be funny, an IRC client that censors words |
| 17:04.45 | PerfDave | !tell nuberus about gmail |
| 17:04.48 | MaxxJag | I'd never hear the end of the beeps |
| 17:04.50 | terry | lol sgeigerbot, I dont care about the swear words, just seems rather odd |
| 17:04.52 | sgeigerbot | MaxxJag: AOL does that |
| 17:04.56 | MaxxJag | oh god |
| 17:05.01 | sgeigerbot | !+thursday |
| 17:05.01 | dpkg | "This must be Thursday. I could never get the hang of Thursdays." (Arthur Dent), or tight-underwear day. |
| 17:05.01 | xtream | someone here uses centericq?! |
| 17:05.03 | greycat | felipe: please tell me you are trolling. please, *please*, for the love of god, tell me you aren't *actually* this stupid. |
| 17:05.05 | MaxxJag | and I thought AOL couldn't get worse... |
| 17:05.09 | quinten | are there any simple installation script frameworks that use ncurses? |
| 17:05.12 | MaxxJag | I've been mislead |
| 17:05.17 | felipe | greycat I am :( |
| 17:05.21 | quinten | that aren't distribution specific |
| 17:05.27 | greycat | !i386 |
| 17:05.27 | dpkg | extra, extra, read all about it, i386 is the designation for the "common ordinary garden-variety PC" architecture. Runs on everything from the 80386SX (woody) or 80486SX (sarge) and up. If you don't know what arch you want, you want this one. |
| 17:05.30 | De_Mon | Ahhh! caphuso, KimHansen you have taught me a great lesson today, though.. I wich the answer was a bit more obvious in the docs. |
| 17:05.43 | Lee__ | but I don't have a 386 anymore!?! |
| 17:05.51 | greycat | Lee__: good. because sarge won't run on one. |
| 17:05.57 | MaxxJag | yea, what debian dist runs on Athlons |
| 17:06.04 | felipe | greycat I simply have no clue of hardware and stuff |
| 17:06.07 | greycat | MaxxJag: sarge. HTH. HAND. |
| 17:06.12 | FieldySnuts | @lart lee_ and MaxxJag |
| 17:06.13 | greycat | felipe: you have an i386. |
| 17:06.21 | greycat | "A PC" |
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| 17:06.30 | felipe | greycat thx man |
| 17:06.40 | quinten | something like the debian installer, but that doesn't need microdebs |
| 17:07.15 | MaxxJag | I should come here more often to pester the newbies and annoy the others |
| 17:07.26 | FieldySnuts | aka, pester yourself |
| 17:07.57 | MaxxJag | perhaps, but I know I wouldn't be the only one |
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| 17:07.59 | KimHansen | De_Mon: Notice how the -print statement is a test like -name is |
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| 17:08.50 | jsn | Bug? I load a Word document in Abiword. I try to save as HTML (xml or other) and it crashes. I'm sid/ppc. Is this reportable? |
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| 17:09.06 | valex | Hello, I need suggestions for a -tool- to find duplicate files in my harddrive. |
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| 17:09.13 | quinten | jsn: yes, but try abisource.org |
| 17:09.21 | jsn | quinten: Check. |
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| 17:09.30 | muhahaha | what is the "name" of the repos where the non free java things are? |
| 17:09.44 | greycat | muhahaha: /msg dpkg install java |
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| 17:11.13 | muhahaha | i mean, they are not in main contrib |
| 17:11.21 | greycat | muhahaha: /msg dpkg install java |
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| 17:11.31 | linux_newbie | i installed gcc-3.4 and several other related packages (ex: g++ cpp gccbug) but my commands still point to 3.3.5 how do i change these because i'm not even sure what commands there all are |
| 17:11.37 | chugga | ok wtf is ths .. there is no lame package? |
| 17:11.39 | greycat | linux_newbie: ls -ld /usr/bin/gcc* |
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| 17:11.44 | greycat | chugga: /msg dpkg lame |
| 17:11.50 | chugga | how am i supposed to give birth to mp3s |
| 17:11.52 | greycat | chugga: /msg dpkg lame |
| 17:12.01 | chugga | ... |
| 17:12.02 | linoleum | I would like to use fluxbox in my seconde X session , how can I do ??? startx -- :1 ?? how can I specify that I want fluxbox and not an other window manager? |
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| 17:12.25 | chugga | so theres no package for it - WHY?? |
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| 17:12.34 | greycat | AND YES, YOU ARE THE VERY FIRST PERSON IN TEN YEARS WHO EVER ASKED FOR LAME. OH NO, IT COULD NOT *POSSIBLY* BE A FREQUENTLY ASKED QUESTION. |
| 17:12.35 | linux_newbie | greycat: it shows me gcc and gccbug but none of the others...the gcc points to gcc-3.3 yet, how do i change that...the gccbugis the same way |
| 17:12.40 | chugga | its open source |
| 17:12.45 | greycat | linux_newbie: man ln |
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| 17:13.21 | linux_newbie | i know it's the ln command, i'm not sure what options to use though |
| 17:13.26 | greycat | chugga: MP3 encoding is patented in various draconian legal jurisdictions where people are allowed to patent software. |
| 17:13.43 | chugga | greycat, ok ok .... *sigh* |
| 17:13.54 | chugga | so i can make bloody oggs but no one knwos how to open them |
| 17:14.05 | asg | chugga: people that matter do |
| 17:14.07 | iostream | Hello.. I have a question.. I have set a soft limit on nproc in /etc/security/limits.conf to 10 processes, and a hard limit to 40 process. But the user is not allowed run more than 10 processes.. Howcome? |
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| 17:14.13 | vchrizz | uhm, iptables -A INPUT -s 83.131.0.0/16 -j DROP would ban all ips from 83.131.*.* right? |
| 17:14.15 | chugga | ask, u mean geeks like us |
| 17:14.15 | poohbear | which package contains "linux-gate.so.1"? |
| 17:14.19 | linux_newbie | greycat: how do i find a list of all the things that i installed when i installed this? |
| 17:14.21 | asg | poohbear: /msg dpkg search |
| 17:14.22 | azreal | chugga: if you want lame so bad, just get the source and compile it yourself |
| 17:14.39 | justin | !+lame |
| 17:14.39 | dpkg | i guess lame is : Lame Ain't an MP3 Encoder at http://www.mp3dev.org/ mirrored at http://lame.sourceforge.net/ which contains debian build instructions, to make your own debs from the tarballs. Versions 3.81 onwards are LGPL!. or don't forget to 'chmod +x debian/rules'. Get .debs from <marillat> or <rarewares> |
| 17:14.40 | prog | vchrizz: yes |
| 17:14.45 | Lee__ | chugga: try here http://www.vorbis.com |
| 17:14.45 | Lee__ | the answer to all your wildest encoding dreams |
| 17:14.45 | chugga | azreal, im spoilt by apt-get .. i dont wanna do through that |
| 17:15.09 | theJackal | linoleum: nice to hear a flux lover, X :1 --query Your_IP .. will give you a second login terminal at [ALT][F8] |
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| 17:15.20 | PerfDave | chugga: Uhm, WinAmp and xmms open Oggs just fine, as do many hardware encoders. About the only people who have trouble are Crapple users, and nobody cares about them ;) |
| 17:15.20 | poohbear | asg: bot sez it doesn't know :) |
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| 17:15.32 | PerfDave | s/encoders/players/ |
| 17:15.34 | chugga | PerfDave, aye, but windows media player doesnt... |
| 17:15.37 | asg | poohbear: the bot also tells you 3 or 4 other ways to find stuff |
| 17:15.39 | azreal | chugga: so... you must not want it bad enough, since that is what people do who want things that dont comply with debian policys |
| 17:15.40 | asg | poohbear: including apt-file |
| 17:15.49 | PerfDave | chugga: Funny, it works for me ;) |
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| 17:15.56 | chugga | ok, so who wants an ogg i made? |
| 17:16.01 | chugga | since i cant send it to normal ppl |
| 17:16.03 | Lee__ | chugga: I do |
| 17:16.03 | valex | Hello, Is there any package to find duplicates|clone files, please? |
| 17:16.05 | theJackal | linoleum: sorry, thats only ONE dash |
| 17:16.09 | chugga | ok,i'll dcc it lee |
| 17:16.09 | Lee__ | my portable plays ogg/vorbis |
| 17:16.12 | PerfDave | chugga: You might need to install the Ogg DirectWhatever DLL |
| 17:16.30 | grendal_prime | ok i was looking at my bro in laws new apple I-book...big woop its a nix machine with a kde type front end basically |
| 17:16.40 | Lee__ | and my PDA plays ogg/vorbis too |
| 17:16.49 | chugga | PerfDave, they should put that on the damn ogg |
| 17:16.49 | Lee__ | and the desktop...wow. it's an integrated solution! |
| 17:16.50 | FieldySnuts | we care |
| 17:17.10 | PerfDave | chugga: "they" should put what on the damn ogg? |
| 17:17.21 | greycat | maybe he means "on www.vorbis.com"? |
| 17:17.24 | chugga | PerfDave, the codec so windows ppl can open it :P |
| 17:17.25 | PerfDave | grendal_prime: Except it's not as pretty as KDE, and costs an assload, and isn't Free ;) |
| 17:17.29 | Lee__ | the gods of all codecs |
| 17:17.36 | greycat | !full monty |
| 17:17.37 | dpkg | The full Monty: ripping with cdparanoia, encoding with vorbis-tools, and playing on a Neuros with Monty's firmware. |
| 17:17.45 | Lee__ | awesome! |
| 17:17.46 | muhahaha | what are the names of the debian repos?i mean there is main contrib.... and? |
| 17:17.50 | PerfDave | chugga: You want to embed a platform-specific, fat-ass DLL into a media file? What crack are you smoking? |
| 17:17.53 | grendal_prime | i was thinking about setting his old machine up with debian and saving him a bunch of money..i could nt find a ui network managment tool though |
| 17:17.57 | resiak | !crack chugga |
| 17:17.59 | grendal_prime | and he is big on ui |
| 17:18.01 | Lee__ | !crack |
| 17:18.01 | dpkg | crack: see source of spacehogs comment on apt |
| 17:18.01 | chugga | PerfDave, only for the windows ppl - geez |
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| 17:18.13 | takatumi | muhahaha: non-free |
| 17:18.16 | Lee__ | !crack windows |
| 17:18.22 | chugga | they do that with python apps dont they? |
| 17:18.23 | greycat | muhahaha: non-free |
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| 17:18.31 | grendal_prime | when i tried to show him how to do it with the terminal he just shook his head |
| 17:18.38 | PerfDave | chugga: Yeah, so every Ogg you have has a codec built into it, rather than installing it once? |
| 17:18.38 | resiak | chugga: Uh, how exactly would one embed the DLL into the file in such a way that it's only bigger for Windows users? |
| 17:18.45 | greycat | muhahaha: man sources.list |
| 17:18.58 | asg | heh |
| 17:18.58 | chugga | resiak, you make two versions of the file |
| 17:19.00 | PerfDave | chugga: You'd also need a player that supported these embedded DLLs |
| 17:19.00 | Lee__ | ewwwww |
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| 17:19.01 | grendal_prime | so...does anyone know of a front end for netork-wirelless config |
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| 17:19.17 | chugga | PerfDave, no problem. just find some buffer overflow exploit for windows media player |
| 17:19.18 | Lee__ | grendal_prime: Gnome has a panel applet |
| 17:19.20 | jjazz | grendal_prime: vi |
| 17:19.23 | resiak | chugga: Of every single .ogg EVER? |
| 17:19.30 | PerfDave | chugga: Why not just provide a link to either the DirectFuckshit DLL, or a proper media player, on the page with your Oggs on? |
| 17:19.36 | chugga | resiak, no just the ones i make or anyone else who wants to |
| 17:19.42 | resiak | chugga: See PerfDave. |
| 17:19.45 | gcbirzan | Oh, for the love of God! |
| 17:19.55 | chugga | PerfDave, are you serious. you send them an ogg and they go, uh how do i open this |
| 17:19.59 | greycat | chugga: please go away and die. |
| 17:19.59 | grendal_prime | ya weell i was hoping something that worked under the kde toolkit |
| 17:20.00 | PerfDave | chugga: Why not embed Winamp into the Ogg file? That'd be great! |
| 17:20.01 | gcbirzan | apt-proxy is retarded. It's trying to fetch stuff from its own IP, through a proxy. |
| 17:20.06 | chugga | lee, what did u think of the track? |
| 17:20.11 | Lee__ | you open it with your media player. is that hard? |
| 17:20.20 | jjazz | grendal_prime: Unfortunately, there isn't one. I've looked. |
| 17:20.20 | resiak | chugga: Why stop there? Why not embed Debian into the Ogg? |
| 17:20.24 | greycat | winamp plays oggs. who the fuck would trust *microsoft*? |
| 17:20.26 | chugga | resiak, haha |
| 17:20.30 | Lee__ | then you point iTunes lusers to Whamb or VLC and they go "oh, cool" |
| 17:20.35 | chugga | greycat, too many ppl :-/ |
| 17:20.47 | grendal_prime | jjazz, ya...redhat has one that works pretty cool...but...its a redhat thing |
| 17:20.54 | resiak | greycat: About 95% of computer users if the facts are to be believed. |
| 17:21.05 | Lee__ | there was an article on ogg/vorbis in the fucking Village Voice for christsake! |
| 17:21.14 | greycat | http://www.vorbis.com/download_win_1.0.1.psp |
| 17:21.16 | grendal_prime | and redhat is a dog when it comes to speed |
| 17:21.33 | theJackal | 95 % of windows loving computer users are utter fucktards,,, who open emails from people they dont know... thinking that it will be usefull |
| 17:21.46 | chugga | anyone else want my ogg? |
| 17:21.49 | jjazz | grendal_prime: Yes, I saw that one. Unfortuantely, Red Hat and I don't get along. It's amazing that there's no simple network wizard thingy in KDE. Setting up wireless is probably the biggest hassle facing a user trying to install a basic environment. |
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| 17:22.16 | zOap_ | hey, anyone in here have experience with nitix? |
| 17:22.16 | grendal_prime | hell maybe ill write one.. |
| 17:22.19 | chugga | jjazz, see how knoppix does it |
| 17:22.35 | chugga | you run a script and click some things, easy as mp3 |
| 17:22.46 | greycat | oh god, it's a fucking advocacy troll |
| 17:22.47 | jjazz | chugga: Does knoppix have an easy way to do wireless network config? |
| 17:22.51 | asg | greycat: *nod* |
| 17:22.55 | Lee__ | yeah, that's gross. |
| 17:22.55 | PerfDave | chugga: Easy as MP3? Weren't you the one having trouble installing LAME? ;) |
| 17:23.09 | chugga | hah, ok, fine i wnt talk about mp3 anymore |
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| 17:23.11 | zOap_ | greycat, you have experience with nitix? |
| 17:23.12 | asg | PerfDave: he doesn't have trouble, he's 'spoiled' by 'apt-get' apparently |
| 17:23.19 | greycat | "as easy as MP3 would be in a parallel universe where MP3 is easy" |
| 17:23.20 | Lee__ | if it's good enough for an Eminem lyric... |
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| 17:23.41 | chugga | jjazz, yeah. its got all the thigns u need |
| 17:23.52 | PerfDave | asg: Because you can't install lame with apt-get or anything ;) |
| 17:23.58 | chugga | except drivers if ur card only has propreitary ones |
| 17:23.58 | azreal | i cant figure people out who would rather go without something they obviously want, because they cant apt-get it |
| 17:24.00 | asg | PerfDave: you can, he just didn't read the factoid |
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| 17:24.31 | PerfDave | asg: Oh well, Vorbis is better anyway. |
| 17:24.36 | asg | PerfDave: agreed |
| 17:24.39 | takatumi | jjazz: tried wireless-tools? |
| 17:24.39 | chugga | azreal, i'll apt-get anything .. btw why is xmms allowed - doesnt it come with a mp3 decoder? |
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| 17:24.41 | netsurfer | hi guys, got Sarge installed, apt-get'd mysql server a few days ago.. just noticed memory usage last night was at 730MB/775MB so i restarted. Now today, already mysqld is running 6 processes, my total memory usage is rising slowly |
| 17:24.46 | chugga | or is it only the encoder thats troublesome? |
| 17:24.49 | HeavenWarrior | hail |
| 17:25.06 | Lee__ | "i'll apt-get anything" that is the coolest thing I've ever heard anyone say. |
| 17:25.06 | PerfDave | HeavenWarrior: Nah, just rain. |
| 17:25.10 | netsurfer | Is this normal ? Shouldnt it only be running once ? |
| 17:25.18 | HeavenWarrior | so i've an question |
| 17:25.23 | HeavenWarrior | i've installed Debian Sarge |
| 17:25.28 | mrwill | HeavenWarrior: good work. |
| 17:25.32 | PerfDave | netsurfer: It's normal for servers to run multiple instances of themselves to handle incoming requests faster. |
| 17:25.33 | HeavenWarrior | i've edited xf86config |
| 17:25.35 | asg | netsurfer: those are forked / threaded daemons |
| 17:25.38 | PerfDave | HeavenWarrior: Bad idea ;) |
| 17:25.42 | jjazz | takatumi: Yes, I have, and it's far from simple. My wireless works fine. I set it up pretty easily by hand. But I know it's a major obstacle for a lot of end users. |
| 17:25.43 | PerfDave | HeavenWarrior: /msg dpkg x md5sum |
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| 17:25.46 | azreal | chugga: i dont think decodeing a mp3 useing one of the various libs is considered bad |
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| 17:25.55 | HeavenWarrior | but it shows me only 640x480 and 800x600 resolution |
| 17:26.00 | HeavenWarrior | to select |
| 17:26.04 | grendal_prime | takatumi, we are trying to find a pretty front end for network settings in general...for setting up users that dont know shit about computers |
| 17:26.05 | HeavenWarrior | what am i supposed to do |
| 17:26.05 | PerfDave | HeavenWarrior: /msg dpkg troubleshooting x |
| 17:26.08 | PerfDave | HeavenWarrior: /msg dpkg enter |
| 17:26.15 | drac | HeavenWarrior: dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xfree86 |
| 17:26.17 | insanekane | is ogg vorbis better than mp3 ? |
| 17:26.22 | drac | insanekane: yes. |
| 17:26.23 | penta | how can i stop the kudzu when i start up |
| 17:26.24 | theJackal | YES |
| 17:26.25 | PerfDave | insanekane: For most values of "better", yes. |
| 17:26.30 | asg | penta: #redhat |
| 17:26.34 | HeavenWarrior | PerfDave, i'm gonna try |
| 17:26.37 | mrwill | insanekane: I think it sounds better, and it makes smaller files, but it isn't supported on a lot of things. |
| 17:26.37 | HeavenWarrior | and my other question is |
| 17:26.41 | theJackal | OGG Quality NEGATIVE ONE is better than WMA 90 |
| 17:26.49 | HeavenWarrior | i've download 2.6.8 kernel |
| 17:26.49 | PerfDave | !tell HeavenWarrior about enter |
| 17:26.53 | grendal_prime | takatumi, there is on that redhat has that works well..but...you know....who the fk wants to use redhat for a desktop? |
| 17:26.54 | PerfDave | Better quality:filesize, better quality at smaller filesizes, less artefacting. |
| 17:26.55 | netsurfer | asg ok.. how do you recommend I go about troubleshooting my extremely high memory usage ? |
| 17:26.55 | chugga | jjazz, so this is what u do, download the drivers to somewhere and when in knoppix run the ndiswrapper script before running the wavelan script (its all point and click) |
| 17:27.03 | HeavenWarrior | have i to use alsa |
| 17:27.04 | asg | netsurfer: I'd start in #mysql |
| 17:27.10 | PerfDave | mrwill: It's supported on a surprising number of things, just not iPods ;) |
| 17:27.13 | theJackal | i uses Quality 9... but im an extremist,.. |
| 17:27.21 | PerfDave | theJackal: Why not just use FLAC? ;) |
| 17:27.28 | insanekane | mrwill: is it free software and patentless ? |
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| 17:27.40 | mrwill | insanekane: yes, assuredly. |
| 17:27.40 | theJackal | i could use MonkeysAudio. |
| 17:27.41 | Lee__ | mrwill: my portable (iriver hp-140) decods ogg/vorbis |
| 17:27.44 | asg | PerfDave: sounds like some toothpaste additive |
| 17:27.50 | PerfDave | MonkeysAudio is a pile of steaming shite though. |
| 17:27.56 | theJackal | it does a left and right channel diff... |
| 17:27.58 | mrwill | Lee__: everybody in the normal world has ipods. |
| 17:28.03 | theJackal | and thats about it... |
| 17:28.06 | Lee__ | no, they don't. |
| 17:28.13 | mrwill | Lee__: yeah right. |
| 17:28.13 | insanekane | mrwill: amazing ... who makes the ogg vorbis spec ? do they also have one for video ? |
| 17:28.16 | PerfDave | mrwill: No, fashion victims with more money than sense have iPods. |
| 17:28.21 | theJackal | wtf.. who the hell uses an Ipod. |
| 17:28.27 | theJackal | OGM |
| 17:28.39 | PerfDave | insanekane: Xiph make Ogg and Vorbis (and Speex and FLAC) and Theora is their video codec - http://www.xiph.org/ |
| 17:28.43 | jjazz | mrwill: What over-privileged world do you live in? ipods are a few hundred bucks! |
| 17:28.44 | Lee__ | !theora |
| 17:28.45 | theJackal | OGM is usually an XVid video with OGG audio |
| 17:28.55 | netsurfer | asg - im not sure its a mysql problem, just thats the only thing that caught my eye when i tried 'top' |
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| 17:29.06 | insanekane | PerfDave: thanks for the info ... i will surely look at the website |
| 17:29.10 | mrwill | jjazz: so are the iRiver things, dumbass. |
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| 17:29.16 | theJackal | i wouldnt waste my money on an IPOD.. esp seing there 300$ approx in NZ |
| 17:29.20 | asg | netsurfer: oh, well, your system will start using memory since that's what linux kernels do (filesystem buffer cache) |
| 17:29.26 | Lee__ | mrwill: not the solid state ones, dumass. |
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| 17:29.38 | PerfDave | My boss has an iBead, it's a little USB flash thing with built-in mp3 and Vorbis player. |
| 17:29.39 | mrwill | Lee__: is the one you have solid state? |
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| 17:29.58 | jjazz | mrwill: Most people don't have a few hundred bucks for a media player, regardless of brand. |
| 17:29.59 | PerfDave | !vorbis hardware |
| 17:29.59 | dpkg | i heard vorbis hardware is http://wiki.xiph.org/VorbisHardware |
| 17:30.00 | jmspeex | insanekane: www.xiph.org doesn't have much right now, but speex.org, vorbis.org, ... have all the info. |
| 17:30.13 | greycat | vorbis.com actually |
| 17:30.26 | PerfDave | ^^^ list of players which support Ogg Vorbis, it's pretty long. |
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| 17:30.30 | netsurfer | asg - maybe nothing to worry about then ? I only had a few mb's free.. and it worried me a bit lol |
| 17:30.31 | HeavenWarrior | PerfDave, 10x |
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| 17:30.33 | HeavenWarrior | it helped |
| 17:30.36 | PerfDave | !10x |
| 17:30.36 | dpkg | Unless you mean 10 times, please spell it out: "thanks". IRC doesn't charge you by the character, nor is it AOHELL instant messenger. |
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| 17:30.47 | theJackal | basically all - windows media player... |
| 17:30.55 | asg | netsurfer: check the output of free(1) (the buffers part) |
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| 17:31.09 | chugga | anyone want to point me to a link to lame |
| 17:31.14 | chugga | something i can wget |
| 17:31.15 | theJackal | but windows media player CLASSIC will play it if you have the codec, but windows media player MODERN wonT! |
| 17:31.15 | asg | netsurfer: and 'cached' |
| 17:31.15 | greycat | chugga: /msg dpkg lame |
| 17:31.17 | fuat | does anyone know if there is something wrong with mysql driver plugin package for qt (debian sarge) I can not get qt to find the driver although it is installed |
| 17:31.34 | PerfDave | theJackal: WMP will play it with the freely-available DirectSomethingorother filter |
| 17:31.38 | greycat | chugga: last warning. increase your intelligence or be +q'ed. |
| 17:31.56 | mrwill | jjazz: that's true enough, I don't have any mp3 player at all... |
| 17:32.00 | Lee__ | to dog, I'll apt-get anything, y'hear? |
| 17:32.04 | theJackal | deb ftp://ftp.nerim.net/debian-marillat/ unstable main |
| 17:32.07 | netsurfer | asg - ok thanks |
| 17:32.13 | asg | netsurfer: remember, free doesn't want to be free, it wants to be used (or use a BSD kernel) |
| 17:32.19 | Lee__ | http://www.fuckinggoggleit.com |
| 17:32.19 | theJackal | that should have lame in its tree from memory |
| 17:32.21 | asg | netsurfer: erm s/free/memory/ |
| 17:32.26 | theJackal | lol |
| 17:32.33 | chugga | greycat, relax, we're comrades here. wanna hear my ogg? |
| 17:32.45 | theJackal | !karma Lee__ ++ |
| 17:32.45 | dpkg | lee__ ++ has neutral karma |
| 17:32.47 | greycat | I have no sound playback hardware here. |
| 17:32.52 | chugga | oh. shame |
| 17:33.01 | PerfDave | chugga: My comrades don't support propriatery patented music formats ;) |
| 17:33.02 | greycat | and I have thousands of Oggs at home. |
| 17:33.05 | Lee__ | only neutral? |
| 17:33.13 | asg | Lee__: remove the space before ++ |
| 17:33.22 | chugga | PerfDave, what about u? |
| 17:33.24 | jjazz | mrwill: The cheap mp3player option is a cd player that can handle mp3 files. You can get them for around $40, although then you have to burn CDs. It works well enough for me. |
| 17:33.28 | theJackal | !karma Lee__++ |
| 17:33.28 | dpkg | lee__++ has neutral karma |
| 17:33.40 | asg | theJackal: remove 'karma\ ' |
| 17:33.42 | greycat | *sigh* |
| 17:33.48 | theJackal | yeah, i spent 5 minutes on the bot server tying to sus it out.. |
| 17:33.53 | theJackal | !Lee__ ++ |
| 17:33.57 | theJackal | !Lee__++ |
| 17:33.59 | greycat | jesus CHRIST. |
| 17:34.00 | asg | arrrg |
| 17:34.19 | theJackal | ^_^; |
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| 17:34.34 | PerfDave | chugga: Nah, I@m about to head off home. |
| 17:34.34 | MaxxJag | well, sarge rc2 is a bust |
| 17:34.46 | chugga | PerfDave, oh ok. no worries :) |
| 17:34.52 | PerfDave | jjazz: There are CD players which can handle Oggs too, no idea how much they cost. |
| 17:35.03 | MaxxJag | 15 bazillion errors aparently caused by my hard drive |
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| 17:35.29 | takatumi | MaxxJag: you're in the minority. |
| 17:35.35 | takatumi | move on then. |
| 17:35.38 | MaxxJag | that's nothing new |
| 17:35.55 | MaxxJag | had the same issue with 2.4.18 if I loaded initrd |
| 17:36.05 | jjazz | PerfDave: My cheap SONY can't. Since most of my music is in MP3, it wasn't a priority for me. |
| 17:36.19 | takatumi | MaxxJag: how did you start the installer? |
| 17:36.27 | PerfDave | jjazz: See, most of my music is in Ogg, and I want to support manufacturers who support Ogg ;) |
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| 17:36.32 | MaxxJag | by booting the cd after burning the netinstaller ISO |
| 17:36.35 | PerfDave | s/Ogg/Ogg Vorbis/g |
| 17:36.46 | takatumi | MaxxJag: did you just hit enter? |
| 17:36.55 | jjazz | PerfDave: I can't hear the diff between ogg and mp3. |
| 17:36.56 | MaxxJag | no problems during installer, it spit out the cd and restarted |
| 17:37.02 | MaxxJag | yes, I wanted to install it |
| 17:37.12 | greycat | MaxxJag: so you didn't try the linux26 option? or even READ THE HELP? |
| 17:37.20 | MaxxJag | partioned my 80gig as EXT3 and my 500meg as Swap |
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| 17:37.39 | PerfDave | jjazz: I can. Plus Vorbis files are smaller, and it's not patented. |
| 17:37.50 | MaxxJag | ? linux26? |
| 17:38.02 | jjazz | PerfDave: What about AAC? |
| 17:38.14 | GoD_SPeeD | /usr/bin/ld: cannot find -lpam -> i thought libpam-dev was the solution for this.. but it's not... anyone has a clue? |
| 17:38.14 | theJackal | no,., hell no. thats dolby |
| 17:38.16 | MaxxJag | I didn't think I needed extra options |
| 17:38.16 | FieldySnuts | i can as well. also, when i convert MP3's to audio cd and stick em in my fairly nice car setup, it's obvious the loss. when I do the same from ogg, the detail and clairity is stunning |
| 17:38.27 | MaxxJag | although that would've been my next option |
| 17:38.38 | takatumi | MaxxJag: it'll run the installer with a 2.6 kernel and install one as well. |
| 17:38.43 | MaxxJag | bbut I've had to leave home to finish some homework at school |
| 17:38.45 | greycat | FieldySnuts: not all MP3s are created equal, of course. |
| 17:38.45 | FieldySnuts | with shit speakers, no you aren't gonna hear the difference, also without an unclued ear |
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| 17:39.00 | MaxxJag | ah, so default option just makes an image? |
| 17:39.09 | greycat | the range of quality *even at the same bitrate* is staggering, when one compares MP3s from across the time-space continuum. |
| 17:39.09 | FieldySnuts | greycat: this is true, i'm talking ones created with lame, which makes the best mp3's that i've seen without having to purchase an app |
| 17:39.09 | jjazz | FieldySnuts: It's funny that your car is where you put the good audio. |
| 17:39.14 | theJackal | FieldySnuts: are you shure your not called FieldysNuts |
| 17:39.16 | chugga | ive thought about it and i think the only reason mp3 encoders are in debian is because there is less of a threat of getting sued - but they're probably "infringing" patents - so is debian pragmatic that way? |
| 17:39.27 | takatumi | MaxxJag: no it installs the default 2.4 kernel. |
| 17:39.33 | PerfDave | jjazz: What about it? It's non-free, and only supported by iPods AFAICS. |
| 17:39.34 | FieldySnuts | jjazz: much of my work time is on the road, so yes |
| 17:39.46 | PerfDave | chugga: mp3 encoders are not in Debian. |
| 17:39.52 | greycat | jjazz: some of us have to drive an hour *each way* to work. |
| 17:39.53 | FieldySnuts | don't have to worry about other appartment dwellers in my car |
| 17:39.56 | chugga | s/encoders/decoders |
| 17:39.57 | chugga | sorry |
| 17:39.57 | jjazz | PerfDave: Just wondering how it compares to ogg in size and quality. |
| 17:40.04 | PerfDave | chugga: If you want to know about mp3 licensing, check http://www.mp3licensing.com/ |
| 17:40.08 | FieldySnuts | greycat: shit i'm 40 minutes on a good day, 2 hours with very heavy traffic, sucks huh |
| 17:40.11 | MaxxJag | still doesn't really explain why it would give me errors like drive no ready and such when trying to boot |
| 17:40.15 | MaxxJag | or is that a known problem? |
| 17:40.18 | PerfDave | jjazz: Can't say I've tested, because it's non-Free and badly supported ;) |
| 17:40.19 | theJackal | yeah thery are... whats mpg123 and mpg321 ? |
| 17:40.24 | jjazz | greycat: I'm from NYC... never had a car. (I have 3 motorcycles, tho :) |
| 17:40.26 | greycat | theJackal: players. |
| 17:40.29 | FieldySnuts | course on a two-hour one way drive day, i call off work. kiss my ass, i'm not spending 4 hours in the car in one day |
| 17:40.31 | jjazz | PerfDave: *nod* |
| 17:40.36 | chugga | PerfDave, i dont see the point of that since i cant make the damn things anyway |
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| 17:40.40 | theJackal | and they play... how? |
| 17:40.55 | PerfDave | chugga: *shrug* Then don't, it's no skin off my nose. |
| 17:40.55 | greycat | theJackal: they decode the mp3 to PCM and then send it to the audio device |
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| 17:41.07 | theJackal | so they DO decode... right... :) |
| 17:41.15 | FieldySnuts | they have to. or they could not be played. |
| 17:41.25 | greycat | *something* has to decode it. |
| 17:41.30 | takatumi | MaxxJag: is it a SATA drive? |
| 17:41.31 | theJackal | unless you had a hardware mp3 decoder. |
| 17:41.36 | PerfDave | FieldySnuts: Bah. cat a Merzbow mp3 to /dev/dsp and it sounds pretty much like the original ;) |
| 17:41.59 | theJackal | lol |
| 17:42.05 | chugga | PerfDave, thats another thing i noticed. i cant cat stuff to /dev/dsp |
| 17:42.07 | MaxxJag | Normal ATA |
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| 17:42.12 | greycat | chugga: you can if it's the right stuff. |
| 17:42.15 | MaxxJag | don't even think my mobo takes SATA |
| 17:42.22 | FieldySnuts | yes ladies and gentlemen, when you encode something, you need to decode it in the end to be useful. |
| 17:42.22 | chugga | greycat, oh |
| 17:42.22 | theJackal | lol |
| 17:42.25 | MaxxJag | lucky it takes DDR |
| 17:42.38 | greycat | and if you didn't do something incredibly stupid like "use ALSA without OSS compatibility" or "run GNOME with esd" |
| 17:42.52 | takatumi | MaxxJag: you shouldn't normally have a problem with a 2.4 kernel, google might help if you have some special hardware. |
| 17:42.57 | FieldySnuts | thanks for reminding me. how do I stop gnome from using esd? i friggin hate that |
| 17:42.59 | Xemacs_ | wow, i just learned somthing about encoding |
| 17:42.59 | theJackal | well, unless your encoding noise, then it wont be decodeable at the other end.. |
| 17:42.59 | PerfDave | greycat: You have a REALLY FUCKING EVIL sound configuration if it'll only let you play New Kids on the Block ;) |
| 17:43.03 | chugga | greycat, i think i dont even have gnome or alsa |
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| 17:43.17 | MaxxJag | nothing special afaik |
| 17:43.17 | FieldySnuts | or Vanilla Ice? |
| 17:43.25 | theJackal | MaxxJax: WHAT.. DDR.. OH PLEASE NO.. NO MORE DANCE DANCE REVOLUTION |
| 17:43.25 | MaxxJag | that's why I didn't bother running anything special |
| 17:43.30 | jjazz | chugga: You're running knoppix, right? so you have KDE |
| 17:43.31 | MaxxJag | tsk tsk |
| 17:43.33 | greycat | chugga: realistically? if you want to play a .wav file from console, apt-get install sox; play *.wav |
| 17:43.35 | PerfDave | FieldySnuts: Vanilla Ice did a track called "The Right Stuff"? |
| 17:43.48 | chugga | greycat, i just want to play noise |
| 17:43.49 | FieldySnuts | i have no idea, I am not the local Vanilla Ice expert |
| 17:43.52 | greycat | PerfDave: that would be New Kids. |
| 17:44.07 | greycat | PerfDave: I know this because of the Weird Al parody, "The White Stuff" |
| 17:44.10 | PerfDave | greycat: Yes, hence my comment about NKOTB and confusion at FieldySnuts's mention of Vanilla Ice :) |
| 17:44.14 | supaman | chugga: cat /dev/random /dev/dsp ? |
| 17:44.17 | FieldySnuts | hehe weird al |
| 17:44.20 | greycat | supaman: > |
| 17:44.23 | theJackal | lol |
| 17:44.35 | supaman | yeh, with the > inbetween |
| 17:44.47 | FieldySnuts | i've had "another one rides the bus", on his very first and possibly very first song |
| 17:44.57 | FieldySnuts | he sounds like a little kid it's hillarious |
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| 17:45.08 | chugga | supaman, are you crazy |
| 17:45.09 | theJackal | hmm, my hard drives doing my daily 6:45 thrash |
| 17:45.10 | FieldySnuts | er, had it stuck in my head |
| 17:45.11 | chugga | that screwed up my terminal |
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| 17:45.31 | greycat | FieldySnuts: "Another One Rides the Bus" and "My Bologna" are definitely his earliest works, but I forget which was first |
| 17:45.31 | supaman | :-) |
| 17:45.33 | theJackal | (GMT+13 :D ) |
| 17:45.41 | FieldySnuts | greycat: both on the same first "album" i think |
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| 17:46.14 | takatumi | FieldySnuts: the eye of the tiger parody was later? |
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| 17:46.24 | FieldySnuts | dunno |
| 17:46.38 | theJackal | Amish Paradise! |
| 17:46.43 | FieldySnuts | damn good one |
| 17:47.10 | takatumi | o-o: =_= |
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| 17:47.31 | chugga | supaman, wanna hear my ogg? |
| 17:47.40 | greycat | takatumi: "The Rye or the Kaiser" is definitely later than Rides. |
| 17:47.46 | theJackal | i have a good sized collection of legal copies... by this i mean there was a legal version somewhere and its a multigeneration clone of that. |
| 17:47.52 | takatumi | greycat: ah. |
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| 17:48.27 | supaman | chugga: thanks, but I gotta clip my nails |
| 17:48.36 | chugga | hmmph. |
| 17:48.36 | greycat | takatumi: if you actually listen to Rides, you'll hear how raw it sounds. It's vocals, *very* simple accordion, hand-squeaking noises, and someone banging on a box. |
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| 17:48.53 | takatumi | greycat: haven't heard that one. |
| 17:48.55 | FieldySnuts | hehe yeah that early stuff was funny largely because of that |
| 17:49.04 | chugga | you know. you open source ppl complain about the RIAA but you dont give the small guy a break and listen to his oggs :( |
| 17:49.14 | greycat | chugga: "his oggs"? |
| 17:49.17 | FieldySnuts | another one rides the bus sounds like somebody is beating on the bottom of a bucket, and somebody else making hand-armpit fart noises |
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| 17:49.21 | chugga | well. just one ogg |
| 17:49.24 | greycat | chugga: is it an original recording of you OWN music? that you wrote and sang/performed? |
| 17:49.32 | chugga | greycat, yes |
| 17:49.37 | greycat | oh, that's different then. |
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| 17:49.43 | FieldySnuts | trolled. |
| 17:49.44 | paulswm | !win chugga |
| 17:49.44 | dpkg | Congratulations, chugga! You have won the time-life collection of vintage AOL CDs, a set of 120! |
| 17:49.48 | kc9ddi | What's the name of the program that converts a Windows/DOS text file to the Linux style of new-lines? |
| 17:49.48 | GoD_SPeeD | /usr/bin/ld: cannot find -lpam -> i thought libpam-dev was the solution for this.. but it's not... anyone has a clue? |
| 17:49.53 | theJackal | whose trollied?> |
| 17:49.55 | FieldySnuts | unix2dos |
| 17:50.01 | FieldySnuts | but i think the overall app name is dos2unix |
| 17:50.04 | asg | GoD_SPeeD: libpam0g-dev |
| 17:50.07 | FieldySnuts | comes with a couple of utils like that |
| 17:50.11 | theJackal | cat file | todos |
| 17:50.12 | greycat | FieldySnuts: no worries; dpkg has both factoids. |
| 17:50.16 | theJackal | cat file | tounix |
| 17:50.23 | theJackal | cat file | tomac :| |
| 17:50.36 | FieldySnuts | something like that, i'm dyslexic so I cannot tell the difference between dos2unix and unix2dos in my head, and usually use the wrong one |
| 17:50.39 | GoD_SPeeD | asg, it's already on it.. checked it before msg'ing in here ;) |
| 17:50.52 | theJackal | ascii2ascii, dos2dos, unix lives forever |
| 17:51.40 | GoD_SPeeD | ldconfig -p | grep pam also returns all the necessary libs |
| 17:52.28 | asg | GoD_SPeeD: well, I just tested compiling a pam module on a sarge box, and libpam0g-dev was all that was required |
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| 17:52.57 | GoD_SPeeD | yea, i was thinking that too |
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| 17:53.10 | GoD_SPeeD | let me try it again , and check the config.log afterwards |
| 17:53.15 | greycat | GoD_SPeeD: "-lpam" just means "search for libpam.so or libpam.a in the standard library locations", which ought to include /usr/lib. |
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| 17:54.26 | bwlang | what's the best way to remove all the unnecessary locales on my system? |
| 17:54.47 | valdyn_ | bwlang: locales or locale data? |
| 17:55.01 | theJackal | rm -rf / (just kidding) |
| 17:55.14 | greycat | bwlang: dpkg-reconfigure locales |
| 17:55.17 | bwlang | valdyn_:hmm i guess locale data... the stuff that has to get "generated" |
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| 17:55.21 | FieldySnuts | paulswm: :( |
| 17:55.31 | paulswm | FieldySnuts: :D |
| 17:55.32 | valdyn_ | bwlang: theres a tool "localepurge" iirc |
| 17:55.42 | asg | paulswm: then he will be FieldySnuts^M |
| 17:55.44 | bwlang | valdyn_: i'll have a google - thanks! |
| 17:55.58 | valdyn_ | bwlang: dont google, thats in debian |
| 17:55.59 | theJackal | i say the rm -rf trick would have worked.. albeit overkill |
| 17:56.09 | takatumi | or SnutsFieldy |
| 17:56.27 | FieldySnuts | ok how irritating. i open up openoffice, from home, through an ssh tunnel. I open up openoffice here locally, so they're side by side. I select text in the remote one, copy. Try to paste in the local one, nothing. |
| 17:56.34 | bwlang | valdyn_: thanks.. google found it for me in debian. |
| 17:56.40 | paulswm | theJackal: that's the answer to the question: "how do I know if I'm root?" |
| 17:56.45 | FieldySnuts | guess i'll have to scp it over |
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| 17:59.30 | GoD_SPeeD | asg, you were right,.. i builded the source before i installed libpam-dev.. it's not complaining this time.. |
| 17:59.45 | GoD_SPeeD | but the reason i was looking for this, is because of the error: |
| 17:59.46 | GoD_SPeeD | saslauthd[12981] :set_auth_mech : unknown authentication mechanism: pam |
| 18:00.14 | paulswm | FieldySnuts: that is annoying, that would drive me nuts |
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| 18:00.48 | linoleum | theJackal: tkx for the tip mate :) |
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| 18:01.35 | rrohde | what's a tool under debian to change screen resolution? It's my first day on Sarge :) |
| 18:01.47 | theJackal | no worries linoleum |
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| 18:01.57 | asg | GoD_SPeeD: are you building saslauthd from source? |
| 18:02.13 | GoD_SPeeD | yep |
| 18:02.28 | asg | GoD_SPeeD: oh, okay. |
| 18:02.34 | prog | rrohde: look into /etc/X11/XF86Config-4 |
| 18:03.20 | gcbirzan | Okay. So, does anyone here know how to get apt-proxy to _work_? http://wolfheart.ro/~gcbirzan/apt-proxy-v2.conf is my configuration file, yet it does two things wrong. a) Tries to fetch files from http://10.0.0.3:9999/debian/... and, b) Uses a proxy, even though that's commented out. |
| 18:03.34 | theJackal | heres what apt proxy is like |
| 18:03.34 | gcbirzan | Also, when starting it up, I get: http://ftp.lug.ro/debian/pool/main/a/apt-proxy/apt-proxy_1.9.25_all.deb |
| 18:03.37 | gcbirzan | Er. |
| 18:03.39 | gcbirzan | I get: 2005/02/03 19:54 EET [-] [log] WARNING: [debian] has no backend servers (skiped) |
| 18:03.39 | theJackal | !goatse |
| 18:03.39 | dpkg | i heard goatse is really disgusting, or in ascii-art: (_@_), or (E@3), or goatse.cx is down :(, or given its own gallery at http://sam.zoy.org/fun/goatse/, or http://goat.cx |
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| 18:04.03 | theJackal | sorry... couldnt resist.... |
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| 18:04.58 | gcbirzan | theJackal: Well, could be, but it would be useful. |
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| 18:05.00 | prog | gcbirzan: set up backend servers |
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| 18:05.12 | nolf | need some help guyz |
| 18:05.14 | valdyn_ | gcbirzan: what tries to fetch files from there? apt-get? |
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| 18:05.28 | nolf | consider an ISP which's allocating IPs statically |
| 18:05.37 | gcbirzan | valdyn_: apt-proxy. |
| 18:05.57 | nolf | n u change ur MAC followed by a free IP in ur gateway |
| 18:05.59 | valdyn_ | gcbirzan: have you restarted it? |
| 18:06.07 | gcbirzan | valdyn_: Only 1000 times. |
| 18:06.11 | nolf | can the iSP in ny way trace u out |
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| 18:06.43 | gcbirzan | Hm. |
| 18:06.48 | nolf | say u run a sniffer |
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| 18:06.57 | Add|o | server irc.tin.it |
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| 18:07.05 | nolf | or probably other tools tht mayb active or passive |
| 18:07.14 | nolf | tht is ther mite b loggin of data |
| 18:07.19 | gcbirzan | prog: I did. The silly thing was getting confused by the backends = from the following section. |
| 18:08.08 | hoarycripple | i want to remount my root filesystem (reiser4) with remount option, question is - will this corrupt anything? |
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| 18:08.22 | gcbirzan | hoarycripple: Shouldn't. |
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| 18:08.28 | hoarycripple | ok, thanks! |
| 18:08.36 | valdyn_ | gcbirzan: how does your sources.list line look like? |
| 18:08.51 | FieldySnuts | damn badgers |
| 18:08.54 | gcbirzan | Also, now I get "Permission denied" when trying to access the /var/cache/apt-proxy/.apt-proxy/db/access.db file, even though it doesn't exist. |
| 18:09.14 | gcbirzan | valdyn_: deb http://10.0.0.3:9999/debian sarge main non-free contrib |
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| 18:09.29 | sylvio | hi all |
| 18:09.44 | nolf | can somebody help me plz |
| 18:09.59 | GoD_SPeeD | asg, found another interesting thing : configure:6858: checking for pam_start in -lpam |
| 18:09.59 | GoD_SPeeD | configure:6910: result: no |
| 18:09.59 | sylvio | how i do boot disk to installation for NFS?? |
| 18:10.03 | blackout | does NFSv4 encrypt traffic over the network? |
| 18:10.05 | valdyn_ | gcbirzan: check that your apt-proxy dir is like this: drwxr-xr-x 6 aptproxy root 136 2005-01-30 10:58 apt-proxy |
| 18:10.11 | blackout | or does it just improve authentication security |
| 18:10.14 | gcbirzan | valdyn_: /var/cache/apt-proxy/? |
| 18:10.26 | FieldySnuts | blackout: neither |
| 18:10.39 | valdyn_ | gcbirzan: yea |
| 18:10.44 | sylvio | i want to install Debian via NFS, how I do? |
| 18:10.46 | gcbirzan | drwxr-xr-x 4 aptproxy nogroup 36 Feb 3 18:56 /var/cache/apt-proxy/ |
| 18:10.54 | asg | GoD_SPeeD: hmmm, what version of the pam libs does the saslauthd say you need? what do you have? |
| 18:11.02 | sander_ | Hello. I need some help about gaim, as I didnt get to install gaim-vv, I installed gaim, but theres no MSN/ICQ protocol, what should I DO?? |
| 18:11.19 | FieldySnuts | no big loss |
| 18:11.25 | valdyn_ | gcbirzan: looks ok |
| 18:11.43 | nolf | sander: which version of gaim ru usin |
| 18:11.45 | sylvio | hi, anybody help-me?? |
| 18:11.47 | supaman | sander_: are you using woody or sarge (stable or testing)? |
| 18:11.48 | nolf | use 0.81 |
| 18:11.52 | GoD_SPeeD | asg, you mean libc6? |
| 18:11.54 | nolf | it has msn support |
| 18:11.55 | asg | GoD_SPeeD: also, do 'strings /usr/lib/libpam.a | grep pam_start' |
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| 18:12.06 | sander_ | sarge |
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| 18:12.38 | supaman | sander_: and you installed the lates package of gaim? |
| 18:12.39 | sylvio | supaman: can i help? |
| 18:12.40 | GoD_SPeeD | asg, that command gives me about 15 lines of output :) |
| 18:12.50 | GoD_SPeeD | pam_start.o/ 1011644722 0 0 100644 2628 |
| 18:12.53 | nolf | hey supaman help plz |
| 18:12.57 | supaman | sylvio: sure, be my guest :-) |
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| 18:13.06 | sylvio | supman: thanks |
| 18:13.07 | FieldySnuts | s/plz/please/ |
| 18:13.13 | asg | GoD_SPeeD: then the configure file is probably using old data. Did you make clean ; make distclean in the source tree before running ./configure ? |
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| 18:13.32 | GoD_SPeeD | asg, just make clean |
| 18:13.33 | CarlosAlex | Hello. I need some help about gaim, as I didnt get to install gaim-vv, I installed gaim, but theres no MSN/ICQ protocol, what should I DO?? |
| 18:13.34 | gcbirzan | valdyn_: How about: drwxr-xr-x 4 root root 30 Feb 3 18:56 /var/cache/apt-proxy/.apt-proxy/ |
| 18:13.47 | chugga | distupgrade broke my kde |
| 18:13.48 | valdyn_ | gcbirzan: ok, thats the bug |
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| 18:13.55 | FieldySnuts | CarlosAlex: somebody already told you. |
| 18:13.56 | sylvio | how i do boot disk to installation for NFS?? |
| 18:13.59 | nolf | use d latest gaim verion 0.81 |
| 18:14.01 | asg | GoD_SPeeD: try the latter if it has a target (or alternately unpack the tarball into a fresh directory and see if that helps.) |
| 18:14.03 | PlayaX_ | anyone know of a good place for me to find info on how to make scripts ? |
| 18:14.04 | FieldySnuts | damn. too annoying out here, bbl |
| 18:14.08 | nolf | it has d support of both msn n icq |
| 18:14.09 | IRCMonkey__ | does anyone know where I can get a list of other non-commercial Linux distributions, such as Debian? |
| 18:14.11 | valdyn_ | gcbirzan: chown aptproxy .apt-proxy |
| 18:14.22 | gcbirzan | valdyn_: Bleh. It created it like that. |
| 18:14.24 | asg | PlayaX_: google for bash howto, advanced bash scripting guide |
| 18:14.24 | GoD_SPeeD | asg, ok, will give that a go then, thanks |
| 18:14.34 | asg | GoD_SPeeD: you're welcome. If not, I'd try #c perhaps. |
| 18:14.35 | PlayaX_ | ok thanks asg |
| 18:14.38 | CarlosAlex | FieldySnuts, not yet |
| 18:14.43 | hoarycripple | gcbirzan, thanks, works great...noatime option on reiserfs was not playing nice with mutt |
| 18:14.46 | CarlosAlex | but anyway, I will try to insall from sources |
| 18:14.47 | valdyn_ | gcbirzan: maybe - make a bugreport |
| 18:14.47 | FieldySnuts | yes, they did. twice now. |
| 18:14.47 | GoD_SPeeD | asg, ok |
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| 18:14.52 | FieldySnuts | way to ignore help |
| 18:14.55 | gcbirzan | valdyn_: There is one. Heh. |
| 18:15.07 | blackout | FieldySnuts, you sure? v4 seems to include new support for Kerberos auth, and claims to increase security, specifically by authentication - what am i mis-understanding |
| 18:15.14 | valdyn_ | gcbirzan: works now? |
| 18:15.32 | FieldySnuts | yeah and it's still NFS, says it all |
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| 18:16.19 | technodude90 | Is debian the only non-commercial Linux distribution? |
| 18:16.20 | gcbirzan | valdyn_: Though, it should've been fixed in .25, or that's how I read the bugreport. |
| 18:16.26 | dvs | technodude90: no |
| 18:16.43 | GoD_SPeeD | asg, ac_cv_lib_pam_pam_start=yes -> you're great :) |
| 18:16.43 | Lee__ | technodude90: gentoo |
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| 18:16.49 | valdyn_ | gcbirzan: maybe you had the last version too |
| 18:16.50 | asg | GoD_SPeeD: :) cool |
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| 18:17.09 | gcbirzan | valdyn_: Nah, it was closed, then reopened. I stopped reading after itw as closed. :-P |
| 18:17.13 | technodude90 | I know of Gentoo, Debian and Slackware |
| 18:17.14 | GoD_SPeeD | asg, i won't forget about distclean from now on ;) |
| 18:17.15 | moodsoft | hi all, a few days ago I changed my resolv.conf file, yesterday I logged out of my computer and logged back in. This morning I noticed my web access was really slow. I looked at resolv.conf again, and saw that it had somehow been restored to the previous version I had. Any ideas how this would have been done? |
| 18:17.27 | technodude90 | I am looking for others |
| 18:17.31 | Lee__ | moodsoft: you using DHCP? |
| 18:17.32 | asg | GoD_SPeeD: hehe |
| 18:17.44 | gcbirzan | valdyn_: It starts without errors now. |
| 18:17.52 | Lee__ | technodude90: I'm sure google can help better than us humans. |
| 18:18.03 | asg | technodude90: there are probably thousands (don't forget the BSDs either) |
| 18:18.03 | technodude90 | lol |
| 18:18.05 | moodsoft | Lee__, yes |
| 18:18.06 | gcbirzan | valdyn_: It still tries to request files from the URL I'm supposed to use to access it, from the proxy that isn't configured. |
| 18:18.31 | Lee__ | moodsoft: your DHCP server is handing out DNS information. Each time you renew your lease it's going to overwrite resolv.conf |
| 18:18.41 | Lee__ | it's a server setting |
| 18:18.44 | valdyn_ | gcbirzan: its running on the same host that it is trying to access? |
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| 18:18.51 | gcbirzan | valdyn_: Yeah. |
| 18:19.08 | FieldySnuts | moodsoft: there is a flag you can pass to your dhcp CLIENT to not overwrite that. i forget what it is, i'm sure this will jog somebody's memory here |
| 18:19.25 | asg | FieldySnuts: it's client dependant iirc |
| 18:19.26 | gcbirzan | valdyn_: Hah. |
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| 18:19.30 | gcbirzan | valdyn_: Works from another machine. |
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| 18:20.01 | asg | FieldySnuts: /etc/dhclient.conf (for that one) |
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| 18:20.05 | nolf | say ur ISP is allocating IPs statically n u chng ur MAC address followed by a free static IP in your gateway....n run tools like probably a sniffer.......or for that matter any active or passive tools...........so logging is for real here........can the ISP find out the real you ??????????? |
| 18:20.21 | FieldySnuts | please, lay off the ??????????? stuff |
| 18:20.29 | FieldySnuts | actually |
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| 18:21.04 | BadKnees | Hi, is there some easy way to switch between the different gcc version i have installed on my system. gcc-2.95, gcc-3.0, gcc-3.3 |
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| 18:21.21 | asg | BadKnees: update-alternatives and some patience |
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| 18:21.43 | Covener | BadKnees: environment variables if you're using make |
| 18:21.58 | directhex | BadKnees, just call them with gcc-3.4 etc rather than gcc. or a big-ass hack with update alternatives. or manually hax the symlink |
| 18:22.01 | gcbirzan | valdyn_: It's trying to access port 3128, even though that doesn't appear in its config file. (Changed it to :3129, to test stuff) |
| 18:22.23 | greycat | nolf: you'll find that Fieldy was not the *only* person here who becomes violently ill when exposed to "u speak". |
| 18:22.25 | valdyn_ | gcbirzan: your http_proxy? |
| 18:22.37 | greycat | 13:22 DCC CHAT from ANDRES [192.168.1.100 port 1036] |
| 18:22.40 | greycat | !pal ANDRES |
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| 18:22.55 | nolf | say your ISP is allocating IPs statically and you change your MAC address followed by a free static IP in your gateway....and run tools like probably a sniffer.......or for that matter any active or passive tools...........so logging is for real here........can the ISP find out the real you |
| 18:22.56 | azreal | lol |
| 18:23.00 | moodsoft | my dhclient.conf is totally remmed out |
| 18:23.06 | BadKnees | it seem easier to link the thing my self , than to use update-alternatives. |
| 18:23.18 | nolf | greycat: hv changed my speak |
| 18:23.20 | nolf | so atleast help now |
| 18:23.21 | kingsley | Which satellite tracking program, if any, was Apple's "Freefall" screen saver based on? It renders images of the globe, satellites and their territories. |
| 18:23.29 | azreal | i wonder how his knoppix install is going? |
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| 18:23.46 | Rawplayer | azreal: #knoppix |
| 18:23.55 | Rawplayer | azreal sorry |
| 18:24.03 | Rawplayer | i'am sleeping a bit |
| 18:24.08 | Rawplayer | forget what i said |
| 18:24.15 | azreal | no prob |
| 18:24.18 | Rawplayer | hehe |
| 18:24.19 | Rawplayer | :P |
| 18:24.31 | Dossy | Is there an easy way in Debian to find out what installed packages depend on a particular package? |
| 18:24.43 | nolf | use synaptic |
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| 18:24.53 | Lee__ | synaptic or apt-cache |
| 18:24.56 | greycat | Dossy: apt-cache showpkg <pkg> |
| 18:24.57 | Dossy | For example, I'm upgrading tcpdump which now depends on libpcap0.8, so I'm assuming that libpcap0.7 is no longer needed by anything -- |
| 18:25.07 | greycat | Dossy: deborphan, debfoster |
| 18:25.26 | KimHansen | Dossy: ... aptitude |
| 18:25.29 | Dossy | I guess I could apt-get remove libpcap0.7 and see what else would get removed with it. |
| 18:25.47 | greycat | that works too, but deborphan was specifically written for the exact thing you're describing |
| 18:25.51 | nolf | hey greycat: i really need some advice sir |
| 18:25.57 | Dossy | ooh, deborphan looks interesting. |
| 18:26.08 | greycat | nolf: I don't know the answer. I'd tend to fall back on paranoia (when in doubt). |
| 18:26.52 | Dossy | debfoster looks tedious, though. |
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| 18:26.52 | nolf | and wheres' paranoia |
| 18:26.52 | moodsoft | my network currently is set up the following way: cable internet --> router 1 --> router 2 (with 802.11 connection) --> my computer. if I plug my computer directly into router 1, would I still be able to access the 802.11 connection of the second router? |
| 18:26.52 | gcbirzan | valdyn_: Yes. |
| 18:26.52 | greycat | !dict paranoia |
| 18:26.52 | dpkg | Dictionary 'paranoia' (1 shown; 2 total): Paranoia \Par`a*noi"a\, n. (Med.) A chronic form of insanity characterized by very gradual impairment of the intellect, systematized delusion, and usually by delusious of persecution or mandatory delusions producing homicidal tendency. In its mild form paranoia may consist in the well-marked crotchetiness exhibited in persons commonly called ``cranks.'' Paranoiacs usually show evidences of bodily and nervous degeneration, and |
| 18:26.52 | dpkg | inations, esp. of sight and hearing.. |
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| 18:26.52 | gcbirzan | valdyn_: And, yes, as I was already told, I am stupid. :-P |
| 18:27.00 | KimHansen | does synaptic have the same "Automatic" state that aptitude have? |
| 18:27.01 | greycat | "Just because you're paranoid, doesn't mean they aren't out to get you." |
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| 18:27.35 | nolf | fine i am paranoid .....as u wish |
| 18:27.36 | PlayaX | !info deborphan |
| 18:27.38 | dpkg | deborphan: (Find orphaned libraries), section admin, is optional. Version: 1.7.14 (sid), Packaged size: 53 kB, Installed size: 176 kB |
| 18:27.52 | nolf | greycat: nut atleast let me know the way they could possibly proceed |
| 18:27.58 | nolf | but* |
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| 18:28.34 | greycat | nolf: no no no... I said, you want to *be* paranoid, when in doubt. Assume they *can* track you. |
| 18:28.44 | nolf | oh |
| 18:28.47 | nolf | ok |
| 18:29.32 | nolf | so that's more like a rule of thumb here |
| 18:29.32 | takatumi | nolf: now re-read the sentence in quotes above. |
| 18:29.34 | moodsoft | anyone know? |
| 18:29.38 | nolf | nice point you bring to my attention |
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| 18:30.29 | xelam|home | moodsoft: depends what kinda router |
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| 18:30.44 | flowtron | I also hacv |
| 18:30.54 | flowtron | I also have an issue with resolv.conf |
| 18:31.03 | moodsoft | xelam, router 2 is a netgear router, router 1 is a linksys router |
| 18:31.12 | flowtron | I need my dhcp server in it. |
| 18:31.20 | xelam|home | that's not really what i meant |
| 18:31.23 | flowtron | the isp overwrites it completely ... |
| 18:31.24 | Lee__ | make router 2 an access point instead of a router |
| 18:31.24 | xelam|home | why do you have two routers? |
| 18:31.38 | flowtron | can I safe-guard parts of resolv.conf?! |
| 18:31.39 | Lee__ | then you don't have to go through two layers of NAT |
| 18:31.39 | xelam|home | what Lee__ said |
| 18:31.46 | asg | flowtron: what dhcp client are you using? have you read *its* manpage for overrides? |
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| 18:32.23 | nome | hi |
| 18:32.25 | flowtron | asg : this is woody and yes @ read man - didn't see anything obvious - sorry ;-) |
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| 18:32.30 | greycat | flowtron: you could always write a boot script that edits resolv.conf however you like after the interfaces are up |
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| 18:32.40 | moodsoft | Lee__, any idea what options I set to configure the netgear router in that way? |
| 18:32.49 | nome | i can't find from where gdm find the sessions like gnome kde ecc.. |
| 18:32.54 | nome | do you know? |
| 18:32.56 | Lee__ | no, but your netgear manual should. |
| 18:33.08 | flowtron | @asg : 2.0 or 2.2 available |
| 18:33.12 | nolf | thankyou guyz especially greycat and takatumi |
| 18:33.13 | Lee__ | is there a RTFM song? |
| 18:33.17 | asg | flowtron: use dhclient ; man dhclient.conf (/super) |
| 18:33.32 | greycat | !sing the greycat song |
| 18:33.40 | asg | !greycat++ |
| 18:33.44 | flowtron | greycat : well okay - I thought there was an "official" way - coz I think this is a common problem |
| 18:33.58 | Lee__ | excellent |
| 18:34.05 | takatumi | flowtron: for a dirty hack add your servers ip to /etc/resolvconf/resolv.conf.d/head |
| 18:34.34 | pingouin | how to know where is an usb printer ? /dev/what ? |
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| 18:34.43 | flowtron | takatumi : there is only the resolv.conf file, no dir ... this is woody |
| 18:34.45 | boow | how old is woody |
| 18:34.50 | greycat | !woody |
| 18:34.51 | dpkg | methinks woody is the current stable release of Debian, version 3.0, released July 19, 2002. Ask me about "potato->woody" or "woody install guide". |
| 18:34.53 | dvs | pingouin: It might be in /var/log/messages |
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| 18:35.31 | boow | lol |
| 18:35.49 | flowtron | !lolstats |
| 18:36.05 | takatumi | !hehstats |
| 18:36.06 | dpkg | total count of heh on #debian: 19534 |
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| 18:36.14 | boow | those chats bots |
| 18:37.46 | si|vercat | I cant copy a file to usb disk, I get invalid argument error.. |
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| 18:40.40 | asg | si|vercat: what command are you using? |
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| 18:41.18 | greycat | you have to mount it first. |
| 18:41.19 | takatumi | probably point and click. |
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| 18:41.41 | emice- | hey, I am trying to switch a new sarge installation to a static ip.. I know I can edit the interfaces file but I want to do it through debians own configuration system.. I've tried dpkg-reconfigure netbase - as well as etherconf.. netbase does nothing, just returns to the command prompt.. etherconf isn't installed |
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| 18:42.04 | asg | emice-: then either install etherconf or just use your editor |
| 18:42.06 | emice- | should I just install etherconf? or is there another way |
| 18:42.07 | emice- | ok |
| 18:42.12 | greycat | emice-: debian's configuration system *IS* editing interfaces(5). |
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| 18:42.36 | emice- | I should have said configuration management system.. my bad |
| 18:42.37 | emice- | heh |
| 18:42.38 | emice- | I know that |
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| 18:42.55 | boow | so some files you have to edit by hand |
| 18:42.56 | asg | emice-: oh, configuration management system is s/editor/emacs/ |
| 18:43.24 | emice- | alright, I should have said "debian's standard configuration management system" |
| 18:43.27 | emice- | heh |
| 18:43.29 | emice- | does that work? |
| 18:43.47 | asg | emice-: no, you're now back to what greycat said |
| 18:43.47 | emice- | or is that really the package management |
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| 18:44.18 | superlinux | <PROTECTED> |
| 18:44.25 | emice- | well, thanks guys |
| 18:44.28 | takatumi | emice-: call it what you want, just edit the damn file. |
| 18:44.28 | asg | emice-: the funny thing the installer does is what you are talking about but that's only valid during the installer. |
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| 18:44.59 | valdyn_ | superlinux: what are you trying to do? |
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| 18:45.17 | superlinux | i am using tc |
| 18:45.19 | emice- | yeah.. I suspected that asg.. that is why I thought I may want ether conf.. but I am comfortable editing the file.. I used to be on slackware |
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| 18:45.30 | emice- | I'm not sure how well debian handles manual editing of such things |
| 18:45.34 | emice- | so I am being careful |
| 18:45.38 | superlinux | and the filter it has dont have a range capabilty |
| 18:45.40 | asg | emice-: etherconf is an optional addon, what greycat said above is correct |
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| 18:45.49 | emice- | yeah, I see the point now |
| 18:46.03 | takatumi | emice-: any file that shouldn't be edited usually has a warning on the top. |
| 18:46.03 | superlinux | valdyn_, got me? |
| 18:46.16 | emice- | that's good to know |
| 18:46.28 | superlinux | traffic shapping tool |
| 18:46.29 | azreal | emice-: i think, usually, you will see in the file wether or not to edit it by hand, or it will tell you what to use to modify the file |
| 18:46.29 | takatumi | heh |
| 18:46.36 | boow | the nv driver that came with woody doesn't work with geforce 5200 ultra |
| 18:46.45 | takatumi | asg: patch to asrman or funnyman :) |
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| 18:47.01 | boow | i had to use vesa |
| 18:47.02 | valdyn_ | superlinux: i might be able to help you with routing, but not w/ tc |
| 18:47.10 | superlinux | ok |
| 18:47.11 | asg | takatumi: or channeldebianman |
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| 18:47.35 | superlinux | it can use the 123.123.123.123/32 format |
| 18:47.42 | takatumi | asg: how are your #debian-fortunes going? |
| 18:47.44 | asg | boow: that's because vesa was around in 2001, geforce 5200 ultras weren't |
| 18:48.01 | asg | takatumi: oh, I hacked those up a few weeks ago. I think Phated got a copy. |
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| 18:48.12 | superlinux | but cant do 1.2.2.3-1.2.2.4 format to tell it which to filter |
| 18:48.21 | takatumi | asg: yeah, read those :) |
| 18:48.41 | superlinux | valdyn_, can u be quicker plz... i am on dialup |
| 18:48.42 | azreal | someone should make an mwilson fortune-mod |
| 18:48.46 | boow | ill just upgrade to testing an install nvidia-glx |
| 18:48.54 | valdyn_ | superlinux: why use tc at all? cant you get along with simple routes? |
| 18:49.08 | takatumi | azreal: that's easy replace everything with "crap" |
| 18:49.11 | valdyn_ | superlinux: nope, i dont get paid for this |
| 18:49.18 | superlinux | k |
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| 18:49.52 | superlinux | noo i want to shape down the connection speeds for some ppl in my lan |
| 18:50.24 | boow | i've never tried reguler debian just knoppix |
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| 18:50.32 | superlinux | what should i do to address a subnet |
| 18:50.48 | asg | boow: if you want a more up to date, and soon to be stable, debian, install sarge instead of woody (/msg dpkg d-i) |
| 18:50.57 | boow | its all debian i guess |
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| 18:51.04 | asg | boow: no, knoppix is not debian |
| 18:51.07 | takatumi | boow: it's not, come to papa |
| 18:51.24 | azreal | here we go... |
| 18:51.35 | TbbW | hello can i lock the comport i.e /dev/ttyS0 to 9600 in debian? |
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| 18:51.51 | TbbW | coz i have some problems with cardserv and it hafto be in 9600baud |
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| 18:52.05 | boow | knoppix is debian hacked up |
| 18:52.13 | valdyn_ | TbbW: setserial |
| 18:52.19 | takatumi | boow: really? |
| 18:52.24 | TbbW | ty for the tip ill look it up |
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| 18:52.55 | azreal | boow: we dont say the "k" word here. |
| 18:52.57 | flowtron | greycat : you mentioned a bootscript. is /etc/ppp/ip-up.d/99mydhcp a good place for it? |
| 18:53.46 | Doc- | Ok... I have this problem with GTK some apps where certain fonts are unreadably small for instance in XMMS and Gtoaster. Does anyone know how to fix this? |
| 18:53.59 | Doc- | Maybe gtk apps |
| 18:54.02 | Doc- | i dont know :P |
| 18:54.13 | boow | startx -- -dpi 100 |
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| 18:54.29 | valdyn_ | Doc-: man XF86Config-4, set the DisplaySize to whatever fits your hardware |
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| 18:55.22 | valdyn_ | Doc-: boow's suggestion is easier, probably does enough for you, its just less accurate |
| 18:56.22 | boow | or edit Xsession X -dpi 100 |
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| 18:58.18 | Doc- | Ok, thanks I'll try these |
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| 19:02.55 | tdonahue | hi all, is there an easy way to copy the package selections on one workstation to another? |
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| 19:03.33 | tdonahue | i know that i can get a list of packages from --get-selections, but how can i apply this to another workstation? |
| 19:03.55 | tdonahue | errr.... that is "dpkg --get-selections" |
| 19:04.06 | dvs | tdonahue: --set-selections? |
| 19:04.10 | takatumi | tdonahue: copy the file over |
| 19:05.02 | tdonahue | thanks dvs and takatumi, i think that should do it. |
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| 19:06.29 | sabine | Hi all! |
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| 19:06.49 | sabine | Is there a Debian package somewhere for the Ximian Artwork, especially the OpenOffice.org pixmaps? |
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| 19:07.32 | Epitaph | hey, i got a question about 3rd-party OpenGL drivers |
| 19:07.51 | directhex | speak. |
| 19:07.57 | Epitaph | hold your hourses :) |
| 19:08.08 | Epitaph | when you install their packages, or whatever, they have to replace libGL.*, which is supplied by mesa3D |
| 19:08.16 | Epitaph | and that gives you a conflict |
| 19:08.18 | si|vercat | asg, sorry about the delay.. I'm simply using "cp file.mp3 /media/usb/" |
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| 19:08.32 | Epitaph | but I can't remove mesa3d without nuking half of my packages |
| 19:08.44 | Epitaph | well, i guess i could do it with dpkg -r |
| 19:08.52 | Epitaph | but anyways.. what's a GOOD maintainable way to handle that? |
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| 19:09.09 | takatumi | is it better to split #channel log files into smaller files? |
| 19:09.28 | Epitaph | takatumi: if you wanna find stuff, sure :) |
| 19:10.05 | takatumi | Epitaph: but what's the advantage in grepping 100 files over one file? |
| 19:10.10 | Epitaph | it's just that grepping a huge file takes longer than grepping one from a specific date range |
| 19:10.13 | Epitaph | oh, there's no difference! |
| 19:10.36 | Epitaph | usually you know something about the timeperiod though |
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| 19:10.45 | Epitaph | well, then you don't need to split it :) |
| 19:10.58 | takatumi | but I will anyway :) |
| 19:11.01 | Epitaph | haha |
| 19:11.08 | dondelelcaro | Epitaph: anything that needs to replace libGL is likely to break anything in Debian that links against it. |
| 19:11.13 | Epitaph | i guess, if you split 'em, you could also index 'em with a search engine or something |
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| 19:11.29 | Epitaph | dondelelcaro: o_O |
| 19:11.48 | Epitaph | why's that? the API in opengl is standard -- it should have the same symbols |
| 19:11.49 | dondelelcaro | Epitaph: your options are to 1) divert away (with dpkg-divert) the library [possible breakage] 2) Stick the libraries in some other location and LD_PRELOAD them as appropriate (or use LD_PATH) |
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| 19:12.48 | dondelelcaro | Epitaph: that assumes that it's both API and ABI compatible with the one in Debian... possible... but you may run into wierd bugs. |
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| 19:12.59 | davfr | hi :o) |
| 19:13.04 | Epitaph | hmm.. i haven't before. |
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| 19:13.07 | Epitaph | what's ABI? |
| 19:13.16 | dondelelcaro | Epitaph: that's the binary interface. |
| 19:13.24 | Epitaph | haha |
| 19:13.25 | greycat | !abi |
| 19:13.26 | dpkg | rumour has it, abi is Application Binary Interface |
| 19:13.38 | greycat | Duh. |
| 19:13.43 | Epitaph | well, that explains it! |
| 19:13.51 | davfr | is gcc cross-compiler for ARM CPUs packaged on Debian? |
| 19:13.53 | Epitaph | what, is that the code offsets and stuff? |
| 19:14.21 | dondelelcaro | Epitaph: not all compilers encode symbols the same way... FE, the g++ transition broke ABI compatibility for c++ libs recently |
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| 19:14.37 | dondelelcaro | offsets change... the list goes on |
| 19:14.50 | greycat | dondelelcaro: s/recently/repeatedly/ |
| 19:14.55 | caphuso | nvidia replaces libGL, and that seems to work fairly well |
| 19:14.58 | Epitaph | ok |
| 19:15.16 | Epitaph | so as long as this libGL is compiled with a new g++, it should be fine (assuming it uses g++, which it probably doesn't) |
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| 19:15.52 | dvs | dondelelcaro: Which version of g++? |
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| 19:16.35 | greycat | dvs: 2.95->3.0, and 3.0->3.1, and 3.1->3.2, and 3.2->3.4. |
| 19:16.41 | greycat | amazingly, 3.2->3.3 did *not*. |
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| 19:16.53 | cmillavil | hi |
| 19:17.07 | cmillavil | speaking spanish or english ? |
| 19:17.15 | dvs | green_earz: Oh. I think they were trying not to change the ABI after 3.2 but I guess they couldn't |
| 19:17.21 | HeavenWarrior | how to configure alsa support in Debian Sarge -i've installed some packages but it don't want to run the sound - i even change the kernel to 2.6.8 |
| 19:17.33 | HeavenWarrior | have i recompile it? |
| 19:17.34 | ricky_clarkson | cmillavil: I don't know. |
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| 19:17.59 | Epitaph | HeavenWarrior: 2.6.8 and up have alsa built in, is that right? |
| 19:18.35 | paolo | Hi guys! (testing and cups) My printer print only using "cat <file> >/dev/lp0", but it doesn't print with cups. In cups.log a <<StartJob: envp[11]="DEVICE_URI=parallel:/dev/unknown-parallel0">> line appears when printing. Any idea? |
| 19:18.52 | HeavenWarrior | Epitaph, yep |
| 19:19.00 | HeavenWarrior | but how can i turn it on |
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| 19:19.17 | Epitaph | paolo: it looks like cups has the wrong printer port selected (i.e. unknown-parallel0 instead of /dev/lp0) |
| 19:19.18 | HeavenWarrior | In Fedora i've used before it works |
| 19:19.21 | Epitaph | (i'm guessing here :) |
| 19:19.31 | Epitaph | HeavenWarrior: rebuild your kernel! :) |
| 19:19.39 | Epitaph | HeavenWarrior: there's a package for doing that.. i forget what it's called |
| 19:20.14 | greycat | Epitaph: /msg dpkg kp |
| 19:20.27 | Epitaph | HeavenWarrior: /msg dpkg kp |
| 19:20.30 | Epitaph | :) |
| 19:20.31 | ricky_clarkson | Damn. |
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| 19:20.33 | HeavenWarrior | :) |
| 19:20.35 | ricky_clarkson | kp isn't about peanuts. |
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| 19:20.53 | Epitaph | ricky_clarkson: you'll get lucky one day |
| 19:21.02 | HeavenWarrior | ricky_clarkson, ;) |
| 19:21.05 | takatumi | HeavenWarrior: you don't need to recompile your kernel to get alsa working, a regular debian kernel-image will do. |
| 19:21.06 | ricky_clarkson | Epitaph: You've not seen my picture.. |
| 19:21.20 | Epitaph | peanuts care not for how you look! |
| 19:21.25 | Epitaph | peanuts love all |
| 19:21.26 | HeavenWarrior | takatumi, i've download regular 2.6.8-2 kernel |
| 19:21.29 | HeavenWarrior | by apt-get |
| 19:21.35 | HeavenWarrior | but it doesn't works - the sound |
| 19:21.56 | Epitaph | well, he could use a newer kernel |
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| 19:22.01 | takatumi | HeavenWarrior: that'll work, what errors? what modules are loaded? |
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| 19:22.10 | meowwuff | does anyone know the syntax to grep the password file, then grab every user name and throw it in a textfile? please.. i'd apprecaite the help? |
| 19:22.10 | Epitaph | and stock kernels with modules suck.. a fully static kernel image is better! :) |
| 19:22.22 | Epitaph | plus, it's good to know how to recompile your kernel |
| 19:22.25 | takatumi | Epitaph: may be, but not necessary. |
| 19:22.40 | Epitaph | allriight :) |
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| 19:22.49 | HeavenWarrior | i've deleted my modules.conf file |
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| 19:22.57 | HeavenWarrior | guided by f*** howto |
| 19:22.59 | takatumi | although I am running a self-compiled kernel :) |
| 19:23.00 | jvng | anyone get world of warcraft working under debian? |
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| 19:23.14 | caphuso | HeavenWarrior: run update-modules |
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| 19:23.18 | Epitaph | takatumi: ohh so it's good enough for YOUUU but not HIMMM O_O |
| 19:23.20 | Epitaph | ;) |
| 19:23.22 | dvs | HeavenWarrior: Hopefully, update-modules will bring it back |
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| 19:23.36 | Epitaph | sorry, i'll let you guys get back to helping |
| 19:23.48 | takatumi | Epitaph: I still stand by what I said, it is not necessary to recompile a kernel to get sound. |
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| 19:24.04 | HeavenWarrior | 10x |
| 19:24.15 | HeavenWarrior | ok |
| 19:24.22 | HeavenWarrior | it brought them back |
| 19:24.30 | ricky_clarkson | 10x what? zoom? |
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| 19:25.06 | takatumi | zoom matters if it's only optical. |
| 19:25.15 | HeavenWarrior | :))) |
| 19:25.23 | si|vercat | I still can't copy to my usb storage media :( It's mounted fine, I can browse and even delete file, but when trying to copy to it I just get "invalid argument" |
| 19:25.43 | takatumi | HeavenWarrior: keep it on main please. |
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| 19:27.14 | abrotman | !moo |
| 19:27.14 | dpkg | mooooooo! I am cow, hear me moo, I weigh twice as much as you. I'm a cow, eating grass, methane gas comes out my ass. I'm a cow, you are too; join us all! Type apt-get moo. |
| 19:27.19 | paolo | Epitaph: right! I corrected it! thank you! |
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| 19:27.36 | karsten | si|vercat: Permissions? |
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| 19:28.13 | takatumi | isn't delete enough to prove permissions? |
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| 19:29.05 | HeavenWarrior | ok |
| 19:29.08 | Epitaph | did i help paolo? |
| 19:29.17 | si|vercat | karsten, I can check.. |
| 19:29.21 | takatumi | Epitaph: moral support. |
| 19:29.23 | HeavenWarrior | am i supposed to set a alias opl3 off |
| 19:29.24 | HeavenWarrior | alias opl3sa off |
| 19:29.24 | HeavenWarrior | alias opl3sa2 off to on |
| 19:29.46 | valdyn_ | si|vercat: are you sure its not copying _and_ giving that error message? |
| 19:29.53 | si|vercat | karsten, nope, invalid argument as root too. |
| 19:30.03 | si|vercat | valdyn_, yes. |
| 19:30.09 | si|vercat | the files don't appear. |
| 19:30.27 | si|vercat | I can create a file using touch |
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| 19:30.45 | thx_44 | hi guys |
| 19:30.47 | greycat | "invalid argument" when you run what command? |
| 19:30.59 | Epitaph | takatumi: ah, sweet. |
| 19:30.59 | HeavenWarrior | takatumi, |
| 19:31.02 | si|vercat | greycat, "cp file.mp3 /media/usb/" |
| 19:31.06 | valdyn_ | si|vercat: echo "test" > /yourusbstick/test |
| 19:31.11 | greycat | si|vercat: check the mount options on the /media/usb file system |
| 19:31.19 | thx_44 | I have created a new partition on hdc1, I tried to mount it with no success |
| 19:31.24 | thx_44 | do I have to format it ? |
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| 19:31.32 | greycat | thx_44: yes. fsck.* |
| 19:31.34 | greycat | err. |
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| 19:31.35 | greycat | mkfs.* |
| 19:31.40 | si|vercat | valdyn_, that worked. |
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| 19:31.49 | thx_44 | .*? |
| 19:31.52 | thx_44 | what's that? |
| 19:31.56 | greycat | the file system type |
| 19:32.01 | valdyn_ | si|vercat: cp file.mp3 /mnt/usb/file |
| 19:32.02 | thx_44 | mkfs.fat32? |
| 19:32.04 | greycat | man mkfs |
| 19:32.09 | thx_44 | ok thanks |
| 19:32.12 | thx_44 | bye |
| 19:32.15 | takatumi | HeavenWarrior: dpkg -l hotplug; dpkg -l discover1 |
| 19:32.33 | si|vercat | valdyn_, that worked too |
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| 19:32.50 | valdyn_ | si|vercat: echo "test" > /yourusbstick/test.mp3 |
| 19:33.06 | greycat | who wants to bet that his mp3 file is NOT actually named "file.mp3" |
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| 19:33.13 | takatumi | heh |
| 19:33.20 | greycat | but NOOOOOOO, of course he couldn't give us the ACTUAL COMMAND he used. |
| 19:33.25 | greycat | that would be too fucking easy to diagnose |
| 19:33.35 | takatumi | greycat: trust me, point and click. |
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| 19:33.48 | farphadet | Hello all |
| 19:33.53 | si|vercat | I'm just using "cp filename /path/to/usbstick/" |
| 19:33.55 | si|vercat | seriously |
| 19:33.56 | si|vercat | :P |
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| 19:34.03 | valdyn_ | si|vercat: did my last command work? |
| 19:34.06 | greycat | mount | grep /path |
| 19:34.09 | si|vercat | valdyn_, yes. |
| 19:34.24 | valdyn_ | si|vercat: now give us the name that does not work |
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| 19:34.45 | si|vercat | seems it wont accept outputting to a folder, I have to specify the output file.. |
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| 19:35.19 | valdyn_ | si|vercat: give the damn name.. |
| 19:35.20 | takatumi | si|vercat: try /directory/. |
| 19:35.24 | greycat | si|vercat: when you FINALLY dredge up the courage to admit that you're trying to use a filename that has invalid characters for the target file system type, I'm going to point and laugh. |
| 19:36.18 | valdyn_ | si|vercat: riaa isnt listening.. so give it |
| 19:36.26 | si|vercat | hmm.. |
| 19:36.32 | si|vercat | greycat, I guess you can start laughing :P |
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| 19:36.48 | TheTom | P°rn |
| 19:36.50 | HeavenWarrior | takatumi, so |
| 19:36.52 | HeavenWarrior | after that |
| 19:37.15 | takatumi | HeavenWarrior: do you see "ii" on the left of the packages |
| 19:37.16 | si|vercat | Outkast - Ghetto Music.mp3 |
| 19:37.17 | si|vercat | :P |
| 19:37.30 | greycat | hrm. so your target file system doesn't take *spaces*? |
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| 19:37.38 | si|vercat | perhaps.. |
| 19:37.43 | valdyn_ | si|vercat: or its plain fat |
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| 19:37.52 | HeavenWarrior | yep |
| 19:37.54 | greycat | it should be mounted as vfat on Linux... |
| 19:37.57 | si|vercat | I thought usb-disks usually are plain fat? |
| 19:38.16 | MaxxJag | still having 15 million errors with Sarge, 2.4 or 2.6 |
| 19:38.21 | dvs | si|vercat: Plain fat can take vfat |
| 19:38.59 | MaxxJag | for some reason it's having Hard drive seek errors and such |
| 19:39.02 | valdyn_ | si|vercat: try this : touch "t est" and secondly touch try touch "123456789" |
| 19:39.05 | greycat | 14:31 greycat> si|vercat: check the mount options on the /media/usb file system |
| 19:39.07 | MaxxJag | and I KNOW it's not the hard drive |
| 19:39.10 | si|vercat | it was mounted as msdos.. |
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| 19:39.42 | si|vercat | I guess that explains it |
| 19:39.45 | si|vercat | thanks everyone :D |
| 19:40.18 | nome | i've R.all.T.Ms i found but i can't find a way to add an options in the possible sessions i can chose from gdm |
| 19:40.24 | nome | help me ! |
| 19:40.28 | nome | :P |
| 19:40.43 | greycat | you've raged against all the machines? |
| 19:40.48 | juhov | R.all.T.Ms? |
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| 19:41.07 | takatumi | HeavenWarrior: your problem could be that oss and alsa modules are trying to be loaded, blacklist the oss ones in /etc/hotplug/blacklist and add "skip module-name" to /etc/discover.conf, apt-get install alsamixer and crank up the volume. |
| 19:41.08 | drac | read all the manuals? |
| 19:41.08 | TheTom | read all the manuals? |
| 19:41.16 | abrotman | what a stretch :) |
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| 19:41.24 | nome | one F 's missed |
| 19:41.28 | greycat | nome: what do you *want* to do? Make foowm run when you login to gdm? Choose a debian session and put 'exec foowm' in ~/.xsession |
| 19:41.28 | nome | RTFM |
| 19:41.28 | qopi | i understand that knoppix is not debian, but what specifically is better/different about debian? |
| 19:41.37 | abrotman | nome: ask #gnome on irc.gnome.org |
| 19:41.49 | abrotman | qopi: klaus knopper |
| 19:42.00 | abrotman | !tell qopi about why debian |
| 19:42.02 | qopi | when would one use debian, and when knoppix? |
| 19:42.05 | nome | i have not .xsession file |
| 19:42.15 | abrotman | nome: it would not got here |
| 19:42.17 | juhov | create one then |
| 19:42.22 | takatumi | HeavenWarrior: and comment them out in /etc/modules as well. |
| 19:42.24 | greycat | qopi: 1) when one has a brain. 2) when one can't install Linux for some reason but wants to use Linux for 10 minutes. |
| 19:42.29 | abrotman | qopi: i personally use debian everywhere .. and have no reason to use knoppix |
| 19:42.34 | Flimzy | qopi: You would use knoppix if you don't actually want to USE Linux, but just want to run it every now and then so you can brag to your friends. |
| 19:42.52 | greycat | knoppix is a decent way to find out what hardware is in your winXP laptop so you know what NIC driver to download and burn to a CD-RW |
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| 19:42.58 | nome | abrotman: ok thanks |
| 19:43.06 | Flimzy | qopi: And if you have friends lame enough to think that's cool, then you're probably lame enough that knoppix is just right for you anyway. |
| 19:43.24 | abrotman | nome: you have to make a system wide change .. if you want to say .. select openbox from the list |
| 19:43.32 | qopi | Flimzy: heh, thanks! |
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| 19:43.38 | Flimzy | qopi: Or for hardware detection, like greycat mentioned. Other than that, I can't think of any reason to ever use Knoppix. :P |
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| 19:43.46 | abrotman | nome: if you just want to change it for you .. then use the .xsession and choose "Debian Session" from the GDM list |
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| 19:44.04 | qopi | abrotman: thanks for the links |
| 19:44.27 | qopi | do you all have similar feelings about kanotix too? |
| 19:44.38 | greycat | qopi: just use Debian. |
| 19:44.47 | TheTom | one could bring a knoppix cd and a usbstick with ~ on it. but then agaon one could make ones own distro and have it all on the usbstick |
| 19:44.50 | Flimzy | qopi: A better question to ask yourself is "Why NOT use Debian?" |
| 19:44.50 | greycat | it's not a matter of *feelings*. this isn't liberal arts. |
| 19:45.14 | valdyn_ | qopi: knoppix isnt bad, but people try to use it for things that cannot work, like "upgrading" knoppix to debian |
| 19:45.35 | Flimzy | valdyn_: that "can" work. It just shouldn't be done. |
| 19:46.20 | lu | is there a good howto for hardware configuration with debian? |
| 19:46.25 | greycat | lu: install sarge. |
| 19:46.27 | Hiryu | Flimzy, long time no see |
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| 19:46.32 | Flimzy | Hi Hiryu |
| 19:46.33 | valdyn_ | qopi: knoppix isnt bad, but people try to use it for things that cannot work cleanly without manual intervention, like "upgrading" knoppix to debian |
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| 19:46.39 | Hiryu | Flimzy, how's stuff? |
| 19:46.41 | valdyn_ | Flimzy: better? |
| 19:46.42 | qopi | ok, so is there a comparisoin table somewhere with keys features of major distros? |
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| 19:46.47 | lu | yes, i have sarge greycat |
| 19:46.48 | Flimzy | valdyn_: hehe, better :) |
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| 19:46.51 | jharrisonwk | OI |
| 19:46.54 | Flimzy | Hiryu: pretty good I guess |
| 19:47.00 | Hiryu | Flimzy, right on |
| 19:47.04 | greycat | Debian Others |
| 19:47.06 | greycat | good bad |
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| 19:47.14 | greycat | HTH. HAND. |
| 19:47.25 | eye69 | Anybody familiar with LVM2 disk recovery? I've got an 8 disk VG where one of the PV's has a faulty 4MB PE. I've pvmove'd the other ~39000 PE's off the disk, but I need to "skip" this last PE. The docs seem to suggest that I do a partial activation and salvage the data before, but I don't have the space to do that. There's no activity in #lvm. |
| 19:47.26 | Flimzy | Hiryu: latest project is hacking cdrdao to produce more perfect audio CD rips, and building a perl frontend to handle it all for me |
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| 19:47.43 | Hiryu | Flimzy, heh |
| 19:47.52 | Hiryu | Flimzy, still running an isp? |
| 19:48.06 | Flimzy | Hiryu: Nope. Sold that ~2 years ago |
| 19:48.18 | Hiryu | Flimzy, so what do you do now? |
| 19:48.27 | directhex | hacks cdrdao and writes perl. |
| 19:48.31 | Hiryu | Flimzy, You'll never guess what system this IRC session is running on... |
| 19:48.41 | Flimzy | Hiryu: Since I was laid off as a comp tech a year ago, I wait tables |
| 19:48.54 | Hiryu | Flimzy, wonderful |
| 19:49.01 | Flimzy | Hiryu: A palm pilot? :P |
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| 19:49.08 | Hiryu | Flimzy, I'll give you a hint, you sold it to me |
| 19:49.10 | solomon | a neuros audio computer? |
| 19:49.22 | Flimzy | Hiryu: hehe |
| 19:49.22 | Hiryu | oh no, not solomon too.. |
| 19:49.30 | Hiryu | Flimzy, I just got it running yesterday |
| 19:49.37 | solomon | sparc? |
| 19:49.40 | Hiryu | yes |
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| 19:49.42 | Flimzy | Hiryu: What did I sell you? Did I sell you one of my old sparcs? |
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| 19:49.46 | Flimzy | hehe |
| 19:49.49 | Hiryu | Flimzy, sparc classic |
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| 19:49.51 | Flimzy | took you this long to get it up and running, eh? |
| 19:49.59 | TbbW | hmm i try to set my serial port to 9600baud but i cant... i use the command: setserial /dev/ttyS0 baud_base 9600 |
| 19:50.02 | Hiryu | Flimzy, well, I had a lot of trouble with this thing |
| 19:50.05 | TbbW | did i forget something? |
| 19:50.06 | solomon | Hiryu: drool. tell me, how many bogomips? |
| 19:50.08 | Flimzy | I got rid of all those... but I have a similar one in a pizza-box case in the closet |
| 19:50.11 | MaxxJag | this sarge thing is pissing me off |
| 19:50.12 | Flimzy | haven't used it for a long time, tho |
| 19:50.15 | Hiryu | Flimzy, first I got it from you and I was poor, so I had no vga/sparc converter |
| 19:50.27 | Flimzy | 9gb of SCSI storage in a 33Mhz system... |
| 19:50.37 | Flimzy | Hiryu: I've always used the serial console |
| 19:50.42 | Hiryu | Flimzy, then I got a job and took it there for the intention of software testing, however, when I was no longer working there, the sparc was still there |
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| 19:50.59 | Hiryu | Flimzy, I stopped working there in 2000, I got it back in 2002 |
| 19:51.01 | Flimzy | Hiryu: heh |
| 19:51.11 | Hiryu | Flimzy, in 2003, for $50 I got an alpha and a sparc/vga converter |
| 19:51.16 | Flimzy | wow |
| 19:51.23 | Hiryu | Flimzy, 233 mhz, I use it as my firewall |
| 19:51.35 | Hiryu | Flimzy, but I didn't actually try to get the sparc up until 2004 |
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| 19:51.45 | Flimzy | hehe |
| 19:51.46 | Hiryu | Flimzy, the install was going great but as it turned out, the scsi drive had finally died |
| 19:51.50 | Flimzy | I'd like to have an Alpha to play with |
| 19:51.59 | Hiryu | Flimzy, so very recently I found a place selling 50 pin scsi drives |
| 19:52.05 | Flimzy | altho since they quit making them, I'll probably never own one until they're as worthless as the 33Mhz sparc I have now |
| 19:52.16 | Flimzy | man |
| 19:52.17 | Hiryu | Flimzy, and refurbished 1.2 gig drive arrived yesterday |
| 19:52.24 | jharrisonwk | abrotman: I got debian installed on that v100 by the way |
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| 19:52.34 | abrotman | no you didn't |
| 19:52.34 | Hiryu | Flimzy, but it was not normal sized, it was the size of two drives on top of each other |
| 19:52.41 | Flimzy | Hiryu: I woulda sent the 2 4.5g's I have in my sparc if I knew you needed 'em |
| 19:52.43 | jharrisonwk | abrotman: yes I did |
| 19:52.53 | abrotman | liar! |
| 19:52.57 | Flimzy | Hiryu: yeah, a half-height... that's what mine are, too |
| 19:53.10 | Hiryu | Flimzy, much to my utter shock it still fit perfectly.. and after several attempts of fighting with openbsd's installer (mainly the partition program), I got openbsd 3.6 installed |
| 19:53.19 | jharrisonwk | abrotman: horseshit! |
| 19:53.20 | Flimzy | It's hard to find decent capacity 50-pin SCSI drives that are small |
| 19:53.32 | abrotman | ok |
| 19:53.34 | Flimzy | I have Debian on my sparc |
| 19:53.46 | Hiryu | Flimzy, 4.5 gig would've been great... but I think I'm doing ok as I have my own NFS server (running on debian ppc) |
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| 19:53.52 | iNeo | Flimzy: what kind of sparc ? |
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| 19:54.02 | Flimzy | iNeo: an old one |
| 19:54.04 | Hiryu | Flimzy,I already have debian on my pc, ppc, and alpha... so I decided to go with something else on the sparc |
| 19:54.04 | HeavenWarrior | i 've add opl3sa2 in /etc/modules |
| 19:54.06 | Flimzy | iNeo: hehe... 33Mhz |
| 19:54.11 | HeavenWarrior | but after i try to run alsamixer |
| 19:54.14 | Flimzy | Hiryu: makes sense |
| 19:54.16 | iNeo | Flimzy: a classic :-) |
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| 19:54.28 | EmleyMoor | Is there a good way I could filter with exim a friend's mail coming into my system, discarding what spamassassin believes is spam and leaving the rest still retrievable through teapop using (for example) MS-Outlook |
| 19:54.28 | Hiryu | Flimzy, it hasn't arrived yet but I recently purchased a 440 mhz ultra sparc |
| 19:54.29 | HeavenWarrior | i get alsamixer: function snd_ctl_open failed for default: No such file or directory |
| 19:54.41 | takatumi | HeavenWarrior: the alsa modules start with snd- |
| 19:54.45 | Flimzy | iNeo: I use it to put my pizza boxes on when I have friends over... they fit perfectly :P |
| 19:54.47 | MaxxJag | damnit, my 80 gig will not mount as root |
| 19:54.53 | HeavenWarrior | takatumi, aha |
| 19:55.07 | Hiryu | MaxxJag, why not? is this on a PC? |
| 19:55.10 | Flimzy | Hiryu: heh |
| 19:55.15 | MaxxJag | i386 yes |
| 19:55.21 | iNeo | Flimzy: I have a Sparc 5 170MHz stil need to install deb on it |
| 19:55.21 | MaxxJag | I don't do retro |
| 19:55.26 | Flimzy | Hiryu: The next thing on my purchase list is a Zaurus |
| 19:55.26 | Hiryu | Flimzy, probably the main reason I got it was for development purposes.. |
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| 19:55.40 | MaxxJag | in expert mode of 2.6 net install |
| 19:55.42 | Hiryu | Flimzy, do those things have math coprocessors yet? |
| 19:55.50 | directhex | !snd- |
| 19:55.50 | dpkg | ALSA modules start with "snd-", for example snd-intel8x0. OSS modules don't have any obvious features, for example i810_audio. The two do not mix. |
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| 19:55.53 | thx_44 | hi guys |
| 19:56.02 | Flimzy | Hiryu: The Zaurus? I don't really know. |
| 19:56.06 | MaxxJag | The attempt to mount a file system with type ext2 in IDE1 master partition #1 () at / failed |
| 19:56.11 | thx_44 | how can I erase all the data on /dev/hdc? |
| 19:56.20 | Flimzy | Hiryu: I would assume so... the model I want has a 400Mhz CPU... 400Mhz with no mathco seems strange these days. But possible I guess |
| 19:56.26 | qopi | greycat: i'm not sure i totally agree with your comparission table, but i am drawn to debian. i'd be interested to know what you think is so bad about everything else though |
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| 19:56.46 | takatumi | directhex: where are the factoids when we need 'em. |
| 19:56.46 | takatumi | !blacklist |
| 19:56.46 | dpkg | hmm... blacklist is <directhex> to stop modules from being loaded at booot time, add 'skip foo' to /etc/discover.conf and 'foo' to /etc/hotplug/blacklist, or <greycat> and don't forget to remove it from /etc/modules |
| 19:57.08 | thx_44 | I tried to create a new file system on /dev/hdc1 but there are still old data on it |
| 19:57.18 | takatumi | damn, I typed that whole shit out for HeavenWarrior. |
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| 19:57.53 | thx_44 | can anyone help me? |
| 19:57.55 | greycat | !why debian |
| 19:57.55 | qopi | is Dpkg like gentoo's emerge? |
| 19:57.55 | dpkg | http://www.debian.org/intro/why_debian or at http://snowcrash.tdyc.com/articles/imoore2.html or at http://www.linuxplanet.com/linuxplanet/reviews/2204/1/ or http://people.debian.org/~srivasta/talks/why_debian/ |
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| 19:58.28 | Hiryu | Flimzy, I thought I read/heard that they don't (it is "just" a pda after all) |
| 19:58.34 | FieldySnuts | thx_44: sounds like you didn't have it unmounted, or you mean you made a partition, and did not partition it |
| 19:58.42 | Hiryu | Flimzy, so I doubt most apps need anything beyond integer math.. |
| 19:58.45 | FieldySnuts | thx_44: er let me restate that |
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| 19:58.48 | FieldySnuts | thx_44: sounds like you didn't have it unmounted, or you mean you made a partition, and did not format it |
| 19:58.53 | directhex | qopi, dpkg is the basic package manager. it's interfaced with by various apt-based tools, such as aptitude or apt-get. |
| 19:59.03 | thx_44 | the second one |
| 19:59.10 | Hiryu | Flimzy, but if you do have the coprocessor, I think you install some interesting things like emulators and they'll run alright |
| 19:59.12 | directhex | qopi, it's light years ahead of RPM. |
| 19:59.14 | FieldySnuts | yeah need to format it as well |
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| 19:59.15 | Hiryu | Flimzy, it has a strongARM? |
| 19:59.18 | FieldySnuts | rpm is shit. |
| 19:59.19 | thx_44 | how? |
| 19:59.22 | Flimzy | Hiryu: it's "just" a PDA with a full Linux distro and up to several gigs of storage (depending on the size of your flash card) |
| 19:59.41 | Flimzy | Hiryu: A friend of mine ported mplayer to the Zaurus. I can't imagine video streaming being very nice without a mathco |
| 19:59.44 | FieldySnuts | thx_44: with the various commands for creating whatever file system, what filesystem do you want to use |
| 19:59.45 | thx_44 | I already tried mkfs.vfat /dev/hdc1 |
| 19:59.47 | takatumi | qopi: and if you're still hooked to compiling, try apt-build as well. |
| 19:59.47 | Flimzy | Hiryu: strongARM sounds right. |
| 19:59.51 | thx_44 | I did that |
| 19:59.52 | Hiryu | Flimzy, can you attach a keyboard to it? it would be as "l33t" as ircing from this sparc.. |
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| 20:00.06 | FieldySnuts | thx_44: hm okay, i don't know anything about the dos-type filesystems, I would think somebody here does |
| 20:00.14 | Flimzy | Hiryu: They have keyboards (of a sort) built in. |
| 20:00.26 | Flimzy | Hiryu: The latest model has a USB host controller, so you could theoretically attach a USB keyboard if you wanted |
| 20:00.33 | FieldySnuts | hehe i've been on here on my zarus 5050 or whatever it was (been a while) |
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| 20:00.36 | FieldySnuts | 5800? |
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| 20:00.43 | Hiryu | Flimzy, how much are they? |
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| 20:00.54 | qopi | directhex: not into compilling really, too slow and i'm really a desktop home user so no need for getting that serious, liked how emerge worked though, when i was using gentoo once, and now they do binaries too i think |
| 20:00.55 | FieldySnuts | it's amusing, install sshd on it and ssh into a damn pda |
| 20:01.10 | Flimzy | Hiryu: The newest model is something like $800, I think. The model I want (a Japan import) is ~$500 on eBay |
| 20:01.16 | directhex | qopi, "aptitude install x-window-system gnome" |
| 20:01.22 | Hiryu | I'm too poor for even $500 |
| 20:01.23 | directhex | qopi, that do you? |
| 20:01.32 | Hiryu | I'll get a linux pda when I'm through with school |
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| 20:01.34 | Pakal | sopmebody knows if mandrake partition tool resize the partitions without lost data? (like Partition Magic) |
| 20:01.38 | Flimzy | Hiryu: I would use it instead of getting another laptop, too. |
| 20:01.40 | mrwoody | asg: hi... are you around? |
| 20:01.51 | karsten | Flimzy: Zuarus? |
| 20:01.53 | Hiryu | 400 mhz is pretty respectable |
| 20:02.00 | Flimzy | Pakal: Whoops... did I accidentally fall into #mandrake? |
| 20:02.03 | Hiryu | and I think strongARM is faster than x86 at same mhz |
| 20:02.10 | qopi | directhex: has Dpkg got a gui to for lamos like me that like that sometimes? |
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| 20:02.37 | karsten | qopi: synaptic |
| 20:02.39 | directhex | qopi, there are curses, kde and gtk-based guis for apt. |
| 20:02.42 | takatumi | qopi: synaptic or preferable aptitude |
| 20:02.49 | takatumi | s/le/ly |
| 20:02.57 | directhex | qopi, personally i find the command line tools pretty conventient |
| 20:03.06 | Dabian | Sorry if this is an ignorant question, but what does this mean: "copyright-lists-upstream-authors-with-dh_make-boilerplate" ? |
| 20:03.12 | Pakal | Flimzy: Im writing a tutorial "Windows->Debian" but in partition section I will use mandrake part tool |
| 20:03.24 | _rene_ | RTF explanation |
| 20:03.28 | _rene_ | lintian -i |
| 20:03.29 | Flimzy | Pakal: Then maybe you should ask in #Mandrake |
| 20:03.32 | qopi | directhex, they are very convenient once accustomed to them, yes |
| 20:03.36 | Pakal | ok |
| 20:03.36 | Flimzy | Pakal: (BTW, there are already countless tutorials like that out there) |
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| 20:03.53 | Flimzy | karsten: yeah |
| 20:03.58 | takatumi | Flimzy: countless+1 then. |
| 20:03.59 | Pakal | Flimzy: not in spanish ;-) |
| 20:04.13 | Flimzy | Pakal: babelfish? :P |
| 20:04.26 | Flimzy | takatumi: hehe |
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| 20:04.47 | karsten | Flimzy: The latest Zaurus has better specs than the tower under my desk ATM. |
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| 20:05.02 | karsten | Flimzy: ...though said tower *isn't* my primary box any more :-) |
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| 20:05.32 | Mutant-X | can anyone help me on how to create a custom keyboard shortcut in gnome? |
| 20:05.32 | Flimzy | karsten: My cell phone has better specs than several towers I own :P |
| 20:05.38 | Dabian | rene: Thanks! |
| 20:05.44 | Dabian | _rene_: THanks! |
| 20:05.49 | Xaqueth | Toshiba Satellite 2610 laptop, Bluetooth adapter in USB, is there a hope to get Bluetooth connection to mobile phone and establish GPRS connection running Debian, or should I stick with Win 98? |
| 20:05.53 | karsten | Flimzy: Heh. |
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| 20:06.17 | directhex | Xaqueth, i'm sure it's possible, linux bluetooth is powerful if poorly documented |
| 20:06.47 | takatumi | Xaqueth: but seriously, is that the best connection you got? |
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| 20:07.10 | qopi | "OpenOffice is also going to be available in the next Debian release." is that release out yet? |
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| 20:07.16 | _rene_ | no |
| 20:07.18 | directhex | when did win98 get a bluetooth stack? |
| 20:07.25 | _rene_ | and OpenOffice won't be in a debian release EVER |
| 20:07.26 | Xaqueth | takatumi: yes |
| 20:07.29 | directhex | qopi, don't run the current 'stable' version |
| 20:07.37 | _rene_ | IT'S OPENOFFICE.ORG DAMNIT |
| 20:07.42 | directhex | qopi, use the "testing" release, sarge |
| 20:07.44 | nvz | qopi: what are you talking about Sarge? |
| 20:07.46 | Lee__ | what happens when I have sources for both testing and unstable in sources.list and I do a dist-upgrade? |
| 20:07.51 | _rene_ | Open Office == trademark of www.openoffice.com |
| 20:08.05 | directhex | Lee__, unless you pin testing as default, you'll move entirely to unstable |
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| 20:08.15 | Hiryu | then maybe they need a new name for OOo |
| 20:08.19 | qopi | nvz: i just copies and pasted that line from the why debian page on the debian site |
| 20:08.22 | Lee__ | woah. time to pin... |
| 20:08.25 | takatumi | Xaqueth: all the best in your quest then. :) |
| 20:08.29 | _rene_ | Hiryu: err? why? OpenOffice.org is the name |
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| 20:08.39 | Hiryu | _rene_, it's an awkward name |
| 20:08.40 | zinx | aren't trademarks per-industry? |
| 20:08.40 | Xaqueth | takatumi, thank you :) |
| 20:08.41 | _rene_ | Hiryu: just that everyone calls that Open Office doesn't make it right |
| 20:08.52 | zinx | (i.e., does it even legally matter?) |
| 20:08.57 | kaplanfx | am I only allowed to have 4 primary partitions on the entire system, or 4 per disk? |
| 20:09.00 | _rene_ | zinx: Sun apparently cares |
| 20:09.12 | directhex | !tell qopi about d-i |
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| 20:09.23 | nvz | qopi: I think not. make a point and post the actual link or stfu. _rene_ is right its openoffice.org, and what does all this have to do with anything? do you have a question or what? |
| 20:09.31 | Lee__ | directhex: how would one "pin a default" |
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| 20:09.45 | takatumi | !comfort nvz |
| 20:09.45 | dpkg | There, there, nvz. It's OK. I'm here for you. |
| 20:09.48 | vulture | _rene_: um.. why would openoffice.com have a trademark of Open Office, it's a squatter by the looks of it, just some big hosting company with 47 million hostnames |
| 20:10.00 | vulture | and I'll bet if I viewed it in something other than firefox it'd have a bunch of popups too |
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| 20:10.10 | directhex | Lee__, APT::Default-Release "testing"; in /etc/apt/apt.conf |
| 20:10.10 | _rene_ | yes, unfotunately the have the tm |
| 20:10.17 | vulture | _rene_: odd |
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| 20:10.21 | Hiryu | _rene_, I think they're more worried about being sued by MS than by openoffice.com |
| 20:10.25 | _rene_ | that's why the app is called with the .org |
| 20:10.31 | Lee__ | directhex: thanks |
| 20:10.34 | qopi | directhex: i'm a little confused. do you mean that OOo *is* in the testing package? |
| 20:10.40 | felipe_br | I run a debian mirror. How can I check the integrity of the files? |
| 20:10.43 | mrwoody | In the last few days, my cpu seems to be always active... but I am not sure why. This is from vmstat: r b swpd free buff cache si so bi bo in cs us sy id wa |
| 20:10.43 | mrwoody | 11 0 188808 4248 15120 67640 0 0 282 302 295 841 17 61 23 0 |
| 20:10.54 | _rene_ | qopi: of course |
| 20:10.55 | mrwoody | Does anyone know what I should check? |
| 20:10.58 | _rene_ | qopi: since AGES |
| 20:11.20 | felipe_br | I think I need to check md5sums in Packages.gz or something... where is the official Debian key for checking the signature? |
| 20:11.46 | _rene_ | which site? |
| 20:11.57 | mrwill | mrwoody: you could look at the running processes and see which are using the cpu... its not that hard. |
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| 20:12.00 | _rene_ | openoffice.debian.net? written there? |
| 20:12.11 | _rene_ | www.debian.org? written there also (well, on packages.debian.org) |
| 20:12.13 | takatumi | qopi: the site mentions maily the stable release, woody. |
| 20:12.17 | tdonahue | mrwoody, what does top show as the most active process? |
| 20:12.18 | _rene_ | get a clue |
| 20:12.32 | mrwoody | mrwill: that doesn't help... no process seem to use more than 4% of the cpu... and the total is much less than what is shown |
| 20:12.33 | _rene_ | since it's in no release yet the stable pages of course don't mention it |
| 20:12.36 | takatumi | qopi: /msg dpkg d-i for the testing release, sarge. |
| 20:12.51 | mrwill | mrwoody: what is shown where?? |
| 20:13.08 | mrwoody | tdonahue: unfortunately top seems to be quite useless. When i try to use top with a high refresh rate, the only high number is given by XFree |
| 20:13.18 | mrwoody | mrwill: shown as the total |
| 20:13.28 | qopi | _rene_: i'm reffering to the bit on http://www.debian.org/intro/why_debian where it says "OpenOffice is also going to be available in the next Debian release." |
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| 20:13.41 | mrwoody | Unfortunately it is not constant and not very easy to reproduce... |
| 20:13.54 | mrwoody | But I think that when I am not using X, I don't have this problem |
| 20:13.54 | mrwill | mrwoody: huh. well, if the standard utilities aren't good enough for you, I guess you could try the super secret utilities. |
| 20:13.59 | greycat | mrwoody: I told you the other day, use top on a text console instead. |
| 20:14.01 | quittt | how do I put a graphical in the kernel boot??? |
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| 20:14.08 | mrwoody | mrwill: ??? |
| 20:14.11 | greycat | mrwoody: someone else suggested you exit from X entirely. |
| 20:14.17 | takatumi | quittt: framebuffer |
| 20:14.30 | mrwoody | greycat: I did.. and I think that I don't have that problem. But I cannot be 100% sure. |
| 20:14.39 | acker | hello. anybody worked with vexim? |
| 20:14.41 | takatumi | quittt: and bootsplash |
| 20:14.50 | mrwill | quittt: and it will take a lot of effort for 3-4 seconds of graphical boot image. |
| 20:14.58 | mrwoody | greycat: I did exit from X entirely ... and I tried to run vmstat 5 for a while.. there was nothing wrong.. but of course I was also not doing much there |
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| 20:15.03 | Snadder | hey.. anyone know how to correct the charset in xchat?.. so the eg. the logs gets right?.. when I do /charset get up: Current charset: ISO-8859-15 |
| 20:15.12 | takatumi | quittt: which is utterly pointless. |
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| 20:15.32 | greycat | mrwoody: did the problem *go away* when you exited from X? |
| 20:15.35 | Snadder | when I write åøæ, I dont get that in logs |
| 20:15.37 | mrwoody | greycat: the someone else also suggested me to recompile the nvidia drivers... I did that.. but didn't work |
| 20:15.37 | qopi | one things that all these new-fangled distros like ubuntu mepis etc seem to do very nicely is get all your browser, multi-media plugins working etc |
| 20:15.40 | Dabian | Snadder: Many would probably suggest you use utf8 |
| 20:15.47 | quittt | mrwill, I dont wanna se my kernel errors |
| 20:15.50 | mrwoody | greycat: I think so. But I am not 100% sure |
| 20:16.03 | mrwill | quittt: so fix your boot scripts so there are no errors. |
| 20:16.15 | takatumi | qopi: everything works here and you are much more in control. |
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| 20:16.22 | mrwoody | greycat: It seems from vmstat5 that when the cpu starts working, also bi and bo increases a lot |
| 20:16.22 | Snadder | Dabian, I got the same problem in emacs.. |
| 20:16.33 | mrwill | qopi: debian doesn't distribute a lot of media stuff because of licensing problems. |
| 20:16.35 | tdonahue | mrwoody, if top isn't working for you you can try "ps aux" |
| 20:16.43 | polm | I have just installed Debian on my Sparc Ultra2 . How can I install the Java Runtime Environment ? |
| 20:16.55 | quittt | mrwill, it a strange error |
| 20:17.00 | Snadder | when I write an "å" in the file (with emacs), and I cat the file, I see just junk |
| 20:17.01 | qopi | takatumi: everyting works out the box? right, like mrwill says, lots not included coz of licensing problems |
| 20:17.04 | directhex | do sun have a jre for linux on sparc? |
| 20:17.07 | mrwill | polm: honestly, get it direct from sun is what I would advise. |
| 20:17.17 | directhex | you could use an open-source one, if you don't require complexity |
| 20:17.18 | mrwill | quittt: what is it? |
| 20:17.18 | Jennwong | how to install mysql on debian? |
| 20:17.20 | mrwoody | greycat: look at these two lines: 0 0 188700 6108 15312 65732 0 0 0 14 225 537 6 1 93 0 |
| 20:17.20 | mrwoody | <PROTECTED> |
| 20:17.20 | mrwoody | <PROTECTED> |
| 20:17.21 | quittt | shpchp: acpi_shpchprm:\_SB_.PCI0 evaluate _BBN fail=0x5 |
| 20:17.21 | quittt | shpchp: acpi_shpchprm:get_device PCI ROOT HID fail=0x5 |
| 20:17.22 | qopi | taught |
| 20:17.26 | Hiryu | jre for linux/sparc? I'd be shocked if it existed |
| 20:17.26 | quittt | what hell is that? |
| 20:17.32 | Hiryu | blackdown.org might have something though |
| 20:17.49 | greycat | mrwoody: out of context I can't interpret those. |
| 20:17.51 | mrwoody | tdonahue: top is working.. it is not a process ... it is the system |
| 20:18.02 | mrwill | mrwoody: says you. |
| 20:18.03 | quittt | mrwill, what is that? |
| 20:18.08 | takatumi | quittt: edit /etc/default/bootlogd; reboot, check, analyze, fix errors referenced in /var/log/boot. (If you don't see these errors in dmesg.) |
| 20:18.26 | mrwill | quittt: I'm not sure, you could try not loading the acpi module at boot if you don't have acpi. |
| 20:18.30 | greycat | quittt: dunno. On the latest sarge laptop I did, I just put a "sleep 2" script in the end of rc2.d to make the login banner appear AFTER that acpi_* spam crap. |
| 20:18.37 | Dabian | _rene_: Can you help me out with this one also? (from lintian -i)"Refer to Developers Reference, section 6.2.2 for details." |
| 20:18.38 | mrwoody | greycat: well basically it seems that when the cpu starts working (for no reason) also I/O increases a lot |
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| 20:18.42 | takatumi | qopi: everything except my winmodem worked out of the box on my laptop. |
| 20:18.45 | mrwoody | greycat: but no idea why |
| 20:18.51 | _rene_ | wtf? |
| 20:18.52 | _rene_ | it's clear |
| 20:18.54 | _rene_ | look there |
| 20:18.57 | Dabian | _rene_: Can I access this section with info? |
| 20:18.59 | chealer | Jennwong: install the packages |
| 20:19.00 | greycat | mrwoody: you're not finding the *cause*, though. |
| 20:19.03 | Dabian | _rene_: Where? ;-) |
| 20:19.03 | _rene_ | it's a *reference* |
| 20:19.07 | Dabian | Where is it? |
| 20:19.12 | _rene_ | www.debian.org of course |
| 20:19.16 | mrwoody | mrwill: excuse me? |
| 20:19.17 | Dabian | oh? |
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| 20:19.23 | Dabian | I need to open a browser? |
| 20:19.25 | Jennwong | the packages doesnt exist |
| 20:19.30 | greycat | !smite Dabian |
| 20:19.34 | greycat | *idiot* |
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| 20:19.35 | Jennwong | when i use apt-get install mysqld |
| 20:19.40 | takatumi | Dabian: are you trolling? |
| 20:19.43 | Jennwong | but it couldnt find it |
| 20:19.43 | Dabian | greycat: Thanks for encuraging me. |
| 20:19.53 | mrwoody | greycat: rigth. Do you think it depends on a new buggy version of X or could it be that my hardware is having some problems? |
| 20:19.53 | Jennwong | i used update and upgrade |
| 20:19.54 | DjMadness | Hey, can someone help me with a problem i have ? - the problem is, the system has gone into readonly mode (the filesystem), i dont have physical access to the box, and it wont let me reboot or anything |
| 20:19.56 | Dabian | takatumi: : Nah .. just hate to browse .. tis so slow. |
| 20:20.01 | greycat | mrwoody: I don't know. |
| 20:20.01 | Jennwong | it still cant find mysql |
| 20:20.10 | quittt | takatumi, ahhh ok |
| 20:20.11 | mrwill | DjMadness: remount filesystem read write, you are done. |
| 20:20.17 | mrwoody | greycat: would you try to install x.org? |
| 20:20.18 | Dabian | takatumi: I was hoping I would have this info locally. |
| 20:20.24 | chealer | Jennwong: not mysqld, mysql-server |
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| 20:20.36 | mrwoody | greycat: or kernel 2.6? |
| 20:20.36 | takatumi | Dabian: it probably is, search. |
| 20:20.37 | greycat | mrwoody: not a chance in hell. |
| 20:20.37 | Jennwong | thanks chealer |
| 20:20.38 | DjMadness | mrwill: i have tried, litually nothing happens |
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| 20:20.41 | greycat | mrwoody: my shit *works* :) |
| 20:20.43 | Jennwong | i will try |
| 20:20.54 | Dabian | takatumi: Thats why I asked here .. I don't know what to search for. |
| 20:20.59 | mrwoody | greycat: well but if it didn't work... just to make an experiment? |
| 20:21.00 | mrwill | DjMadness: what do you mean, won't let you reboot? |
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| 20:21.08 | greycat | mrwoody: I'd find out what *causes* it. |
| 20:21.16 | DjMadness | snapshooting:~# shutdown -r now |
| 20:21.16 | DjMadness | bash: /sbin/shutdown: Input/output error |
| 20:21.16 | DjMadness | snapshooting:~# |
| 20:21.16 | mrwoody | greycat: how? |
| 20:21.22 | mrwill | DjMadness: can you get anything to happen at all? did you start the shutdown sequence? |
| 20:21.22 | greycat | mrwoody: process of elimintation, if nothing else. |
| 20:21.23 | mrwoody | greycat: easy to say |
| 20:21.31 | Dabian | takatumi: Makes sense? |
| 20:21.32 | MaxxJag | still working on my damn problem and nothing so far |
| 20:21.45 | mrwoody | greycat: well it wouldn't appear when X is not working.. but that doesn't help.. does it? |
| 20:21.53 | greycat | DjMadness: that's bad. check 'dmesg' for disk errors. |
| 20:21.55 | mrwill | DjMadness: ouch! what I thought. you started the shutdown sequence, now nothing responds -- that machine will have to be physically rebooted. |
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| 20:22.01 | DjMadness | mrwill: i can ssh in the box, and its like a dummy. |
| 20:22.13 | takatumi | Dabian: google :) |
| 20:22.25 | Dabian | greycat: You havn't grown more patient with the years. That kinda reactions are very discuraging, when one tries to learn something totally new. |
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| 20:22.29 | greycat | mrwoody: it points to something in your X environment, or X itself. As opposed to your name server, your MTA, your P2P daemon, your .... whatever else you run that's NOT part of X. Right? |
| 20:22.36 | Dabian | takatumi: Browse in other words :) |
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| 20:22.42 | greycat | Dabian: I don't give a flying fuck. |
| 20:23.01 | greycat | Dabian: if you're told to look on www.debian.org then you ask "I have to open a browser?" then I'm going to react this way. |
| 20:23.01 | Dabian | greycat: I guess you're in a bad mood. |
| 20:23.09 | takatumi | Dabian: use lynx or links or elinks if the others are too bright for your eyes. |
| 20:23.13 | DjMadness | mrwill: welps, before i even started the shutdown the filesystem went readonly |
| 20:23.17 | EmleyMoor | Has someone got a clamav installation? Would you be prepared to send one of its test files to my friend? |
| 20:23.18 | mrwill | DjMadness: you might check if there are any processes in state 'D', if there are, could be a hardware problem. |
| 20:23.30 | greycat | this is 2005. all the information you want is ON THE INTERNET. That means, yes, you will be using a web broser. |
| 20:23.31 | Dabian | takatumi: Its ok .. I am already at firefox. |
| 20:23.31 | directhex | greycat is never in a bad mood. greycat is sweetness and light |
| 20:23.33 | greycat | +w |
| 20:23.41 | DjMadness | mrwill: will take a look |
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| 20:23.44 | takatumi | !greycat++ |
| 20:23.45 | Dabian | greycat: Oh .. I didn't mean it that way. |
| 20:23.47 | mrwill | DjMadness: processes stuck in state 'D' waiting for i/o can mess up the reboot/shutdown sequence. |
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| 20:24.03 | mrwoody | greycat: it is like a virus... I guess. And again, it is not very easy to do experiments because it is not always like that |
| 20:24.05 | Dabian | greycat: I wondered if the documentation was available offline. |
| 20:24.13 | greycat | Dabian: man wget |
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| 20:24.32 | mrwill | mrwoody: its hard to evaluate because you don't know how and won't listen to us. |
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| 20:24.58 | mrwoody | mrwill: what are you talking about? what am I not listening? |
| 20:25.12 | mrwoody | mrwill: so far I have just heard bullshit from you |
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| 20:25.38 | mrwoody | mrwill: no offense |
| 20:25.42 | mrwill | mrwoody: I told you to use the procps utilities, didn't I? You said they didn't work. |
| 20:25.49 | DjMadness | mr-david: i only have state S,SW,SWM and R.. gonna see if i can phone the owner of the server brb |
| 20:25.53 | mrwill | mrwoody: it's you that are full of shit. |
| 20:26.01 | Dabian | greycat: Well .. more specificly, I was looking for "Developers Reference, section 6.2.2" .. and then wondering if that document is installable in debian, so I can read it with an info-browser, on a manpage, ... a local html, dvi, pdf, ps, or something. |
| 20:26.12 | mrwill | DjMadness: ok, state 'D' is bad, so that's good. |
| 20:26.16 | mrwoody | mrwill: I told you... I used them... and they didn't show up anything interesting... if you want I can msg you the output |
| 20:26.19 | MaxxJag | back to woody 2.2 I go |
| 20:26.26 | mrwill | mrwoody: then nothing is going on, you lunatic. |
| 20:26.27 | juhov | dabian: it is installable, and you can find it with a simple apt-cache search |
| 20:26.34 | Dabian | greycat: But I can read the web .. no problem. |
| 20:26.53 | Dabian | juhov: : Thanks |
| 20:26.56 | takatumi | Dabian: happy reading :) |
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| 20:27.07 | greycat | arc1:~# apt-cache search debian developer reference |
| 20:27.08 | greycat | debian-reference - metapackage to install (all) translations of Debian Reference |
| 20:27.08 | greycat | ... |
| 20:27.16 | greycat | developers-reference - guidelines and information for Debian developers |
| 20:27.18 | greycat | ... |
| 20:27.24 | quittt | well |
| 20:27.30 | qopi | so what is different between a hd installed knoppix and a installed version of debian? |
| 20:27.30 | Dabian | juhov: But what do I search for? Developers or Reference? And wont both give me.. oh .. greycat revealed it. |
| 20:27.33 | quittt | I did what you said |
| 20:27.34 | Dabian | greycat: : Thanks!! |
| 20:27.35 | quittt | I reboot |
| 20:27.37 | greycat | gods. |
| 20:27.41 | quittt | where is kernel boot log? |
| 20:27.49 | greycat | you'd think these people have never searched for anything on a computer in their lives. |
| 20:27.57 | takatumi | qopi: knoppix ain't knoppix now, probably will never be. |
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| 20:28.39 | Dabian | greycat: Unfortunately I've searched a lot .. and I remain very bad at it. I know how it can seem like I am trying to avoid success for a person that is skilled at it .. but I assure you, that is not the case. |
| 20:28.44 | takatumi | quittt: /var/log/boot if you did what I suggested. |
| 20:28.48 | mrwoody | mrwill: I sent you the output... if you don't want to read it, I don't know what else to tell you |
| 20:29.02 | quittt | takatumi, I edited it and reboot |
| 20:29.05 | quittt | but didnt work |
| 20:29.07 | quittt | it isnt there |
| 20:29.13 | Snadder | how can I change to uft-8, as the system default encoding? |
| 20:29.28 | Dabian | greycat: I suspect that me being ESL is part of it .. I am better at searching for danish stuff ... but I am still not very good in danish. |
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| 20:29.34 | Snadder | reconfigure of locales?.. or something? |
| 20:29.37 | nvz | Snadder: dpkg-reconfigure locales |
| 20:29.53 | Snadder | exactly, thanks |
| 20:30.03 | takatumi | quittt: did you edit /etc/default/bootlogd and it has this? BOOTLOGD_ENABLE=Yes |
| 20:30.08 | mrwill | qopi: they are two different distros, using the same packaging system. |
| 20:30.14 | _rene_ | Dabian: or apt-get install developers-reference |
| 20:30.16 | quittt | takatumi, yes! |
| 20:30.21 | nvz | qopi: debian is debian because of its policy anything that is NOT DEBIAN doesnt have to follow debian policy and therefore is not debian |
| 20:30.22 | _rene_ | Dabian: it's html and PDF also |
| 20:30.32 | Dabian | _rene_: Cool |
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| 20:30.59 | Dabian | PDF is cool because its prints nicely. Now, right now I cannot get my printer working, but I much prefer to read off screen. |
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| 20:31.10 | greycat | I hate PDFs too. |
| 20:31.17 | valdyn_ | qopi: nothing which would be significant for you is probably different, but apt-get cant just upgrade knoppix |
| 20:31.20 | qopi | nvz: ok, thanks, in which case, what is so good about the debian policy? |
| 20:31.22 | mrwoody | what does at depend on exim? |
| 20:31.31 | greycat | mrwoody: for mailing you the results/errors |
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| 20:31.49 | takatumi | quittt: works here. dunno what could be wrong. |
| 20:31.59 | mrwoody | greycat: hmm to remove exim, I have to remove a lot of stuff |
| 20:32.05 | greycat | then don't remove it. |
| 20:32.07 | mrwoody | greycat: I am hoping that exim is the problek |
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| 20:32.12 | dondelelcaro | greycat: dunno... of the formats that fill that niche, pdf works fairly well. |
| 20:32.32 | mrwoody | greycat: and for some reason /etc/init.d/exim stop is useless |
| 20:32.59 | nvz | qopi: well it gaurentees things.. like that no package can contain files provided by another.. that it may not remove any files or alter them.. etc.. read the debian policy on the website |
| 20:33.04 | femtoid | we are trying to move a server. they are both debian, what is the prefered method to copying files over (mostly /home), I tried samba and nfs, but they don't seem to preserve permissions.. I don't have enough room on the first server to tar either |
| 20:33.25 | nvz | qopi: http://www.debian.org/doc/debian-policy/ |
| 20:33.28 | mrwill | femtoid: tried rsync? |
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| 20:34.02 | tatoo | i can't estabilish a TFTP connection between my serial port and my router. i wanna put a file into the router but the message error came me up: "%Error opening tftp://ip_address/file_name (Time out)". can somebody know what is happening? |
| 20:34.03 | femtoid | mrwill: not yet. I suggested it, but someone in the office said "people still use that?" |
| 20:34.08 | mrwill | femtoid: you could also tar to a pipe that went over ssh to a file on the second server if there is enough room there. |
| 20:34.10 | juhov | femtoid: something like tar cf - /home | ssh othermachine tar xvf - -C /home ? |
| 20:34.22 | nvz | qopi: see also documents like http://www.debian.org/social_contract |
| 20:34.24 | femtoid | VERY cool. I'l have to try that |
| 20:34.26 | mrwoody | greycat: exim is gone, and at the moment I don't see the problem... could it be a buggy version exim? |
| 20:34.27 | mrwill | femtoid: yeah, people still use rsync, it isn't old at all. |
| 20:34.31 | femtoid | there is plenty of room on the other machine |
| 20:34.58 | mrwill | femtoid: but yes, the piping over ssh trick is pretty neat. |
| 20:34.59 | femtoid | mrwill: thats what *I* said, but his last gig was working for a network storage company, one of the expensive ones... so he looks down on "simple" tools ;) |
| 20:35.04 | nvz | qopi: if you dont't agree with debian policy then quit wasting your time here.. everyone here is a user of debian who very much belives in the ideas and belifs.. you are just trolling if you do not |
| 20:35.05 | qopi | nvz: thanks, can you sum up what they mean to you in a sentence :) |
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| 20:35.34 | mrwill | femtoid: well, a simple tool ought to be enough for a simple job like this. |
| 20:35.44 | valdyn_ | qopi: dependency handling isnt trivial, so it is somewhat hard to explain if you dont want to read up on it yourself |
| 20:35.50 | ricky_clarkson | I'm a simple tool. |
| 20:35.52 | basti | hallo, where can i change my screensettings from 800*600 to 1024*768? |
| 20:35.52 | femtoid | mrwill: yes :) |
| 20:36.01 | femtoid | thanks so much.. lemme try the tar trick |
| 20:36.06 | mrwill | bastion: dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xfree86 |
| 20:36.06 | nvz | qopi: knoppix, mepis..etc all use debian packages.. though they are free to put in anything they like, could be non-free, could break your system..etc there are no strict debian policies governing them |
| 20:36.07 | ricky_clarkson | basti: Ctrl-Alt-NumPadPlus, or dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xfree86 |
| 20:36.32 | scarynetworkguy | tatoo: It's a Cisco problem. Long story short even though you think you have you haven't feed the Cisco the right filename. Go back read the docs *very* well and try again. It's a tricky bitch. Also make sure thet you have the tftp server configured the way you want it to be. |
| 20:36.46 | basti | thanks mrwill and rick_clarkson |
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| 20:36.51 | qopi | nvz: fair enough, i've not yet reviewed the policy, but I do reckon you'd get more converts to the debian way we a bit of good ole First Trust from the wiki world |
| 20:36.53 | mrwill | basti: sure. |
| 20:37.00 | notty | how do i stop a module from loading at boot time ? |
| 20:37.01 | takatumi | qopi: so in other words, these are distributions that went astray from the father. |
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| 20:37.16 | msf | hi |
| 20:37.18 | mrwill | qopi: we don't care about converts. |
| 20:37.19 | Delph | qopi: so go read. Really. It says a lot about the distribution. |
| 20:37.20 | nvz | qopi: you misunderstand how this stuff works |
| 20:37.29 | femtoid | whats with the tar cf - /home - what is the "-" for? |
| 20:37.37 | hedonick | qopi: part of what's good with debian is the tools and part is the process of building the distro |
| 20:37.38 | msf | is there any package on debian that provides /sbin/nologin ? |
| 20:37.39 | mrwoody | does apt have a lot anywhere? |
| 20:37.44 | paulswm | femtoid: standard input |
| 20:37.45 | nvz | qopi: open projects are just that.. they dont want anyone who doesnt want to be there |
| 20:37.50 | mrwill | msf: use /bin/false |
| 20:37.54 | paulswm | femtoid: man tar |
| 20:38.04 | femtoid | paulswm: yea... but I don't need it there - I'm refereing to the command from before |
| 20:38.06 | mrwill | msf: if you want users to never login with a shell. |
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| 20:38.11 | paulswm | femtoid: sorry |
| 20:38.13 | ricky_clarkson | msf: Use /bin/false |
| 20:38.18 | qopi | valdyn_: you've almost answered my question, thanks. So is the policy largely about things can only be included if they don't depend on certain things? |
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| 20:38.20 | femtoid | juhov: was that just a typo? |
| 20:38.24 | msf | mrwill: I want to disable shell logins but allow ftp logins |
| 20:38.30 | mrwill | msf: that will do that. |
| 20:38.31 | juhov | femtoid: no |
| 20:38.39 | femtoid | oh |
| 20:38.44 | qopi | nvz: you misunderestimate (a nice GW word) my understanding, but point taken :) |
| 20:38.53 | msf | mrwill: having no luck with that on unstable with pureftpd |
| 20:39.02 | nvz | qopi: a beginners book would be like "Free for All" by Peter Wayner.. he's a journalist who isnt really an open source guy, but he's done some good research and wrote a decent book that grabs the attention of newbies and gives them a feel for how it all works |
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| 20:39.06 | mrwill | msf: don't look at me, use stable with proftpd. |
| 20:39.10 | paulswm | msf: set the user's shell to /bin/falsem then they can't get a login but they can do ftp |
| 20:39.21 | femtoid | I have to allow root ssh connections to get this to work right? |
| 20:39.22 | paulswm | s/falsem/false/ |
| 20:39.34 | msf | k thanks for th tips |
| 20:39.41 | mrwill | femtoid: yes, from the old server to the new. |
| 20:39.45 | femtoid | yea |
| 20:39.47 | femtoid | thanks |
| 20:39.47 | takatumi | qopi: but these are just words, to feel it, you have to use it. |
| 20:39.57 | juhov | femtoid: ... | sudo tar ... might work too |
| 20:40.03 | valdyn_ | qopi: i never read the policy. Guess it includes what can be included in which section and what conditions packages must comply with to fit in. |
| 20:40.23 | qopi | nvz: i'll look into stocking that book in my bookshop, thanks |
| 20:40.29 | Milan- | Hi ! |
| 20:40.37 | mrwill | Milan-: hello there. |
| 20:40.52 | Milan- | I've a little encoding (UTF-8) problem |
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| 20:41.13 | valdyn_ | qopi: but thats not really what makes it different from ubuntu. Knoppix however has no need at all to pay attention to these things, since updating knoppix installations to anything isnt supported at all |
| 20:41.13 | tatoo | scarynetworkguy: i looked twice (or more) the file name spelling. the problem is that: i have to upload an IOS to the router...now! :( |
| 20:41.18 | amahbod | hello all. i am wondering how i can bind my "windows" key to open an eterm |
| 20:41.18 | takatumi | qopi: this is a good read as well. http://qref.sourceforge.net/ |
| 20:41.19 | amahbod | in fluxbox |
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| 20:41.44 | nvz | qopi: heh, I liked it, cause the first chapter is called "Battle" and it starts off talking about the anti-trust lawsuit agains Microsoft back in 98 and gets you understanding right off the bat the different motives and goals of the two groups, the geeks and the suits |
| 20:41.46 | qopi | nvz: i spent a weekend with stallman, so i know the politics believe me (he had an attitude problem though I think) |
| 20:41.47 | juhov | amahbod: dunno about fluxbox, but xbindkeys lets you bind anything |
| 20:41.54 | tatoo | scarynetworkguy: maybe configuration into minicom? |
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| 20:42.16 | amahbod | juhov, would it let me run a script/program when a key is pressed? |
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| 20:42.18 | Milan- | I experience some encoding choice problems |
| 20:42.19 | juhov | amahbod: though i'm not sure whether you can bind a modifier key by itself |
| 20:42.21 | juhov | amahbod: yes |
| 20:42.33 | mrwill | Milan-: what kind of problems? |
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| 20:42.49 | Milan- | I chose UTF-8 (FR) as default in deebconf |
| 20:42.50 | RuffianSoldier | I just installed debian - i apt-got everything manualy - im in xfree86 - but when I apt-get install xserver-xorg it says uknown package - so I apt-cache search xorg and nothing comes up..... How do I install Xorg then? |
| 20:42.51 | bBBb | XFree86 4.4RC2) from X.Org, current release is |
| 20:42.51 | bBBb | <PROTECTED> |
| 20:42.51 | bBBb | <PROTECTED> |
| 20:42.51 | bBBb | <PROTECTED> |
| 20:42.51 | bBBb | <PROTECTED> |
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| 20:42.56 | Milan- | 'dpkg-reconfigure locales' |
| 20:43.02 | qopi | nvz: lots of people see things as us and them. not me. we're all human and must learn to live together (but stop using shitting m$ products) |
| 20:43.10 | Milan- | but there are some strange things : |
| 20:43.12 | mrwill | Milan-: well, you can change it to anything you want that way. |
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| 20:43.25 | juhov | ruffiansoldier: x.org isn't in debian, see /msg dpkg xorg |
| 20:43.28 | takatumi | bBBb: xorg in? |
| 20:43.29 | Milan- | -Gnome-terminal sets by default iso-8859-15 |
| 20:43.44 | qopi | like bucky said "you never change something by fighting the existing reality. To change something, create a new system that makes the existing system obsolete" |
| 20:43.51 | mrwill | RuffianSoldier: if you want xorg, you are stupid. congratulations. |
| 20:43.55 | greycat | !advocacy troll |
| 20:43.55 | dpkg | i guess advocacy troll is a term that greycat made up to describe a troll who demands action (typically unreasonable or unachievable) "for the good of Debian". Example: "Debian needs to have a graphical installer to make it easier for end users to increase its market share!" Example: "The BTS should have a web interface for submitting bugs so we can have vague, misspelled, irreproducible PEBKAC errors and no way to contact the submitter!" |
| 20:43.56 | RuffianSoldier | omg |
| 20:43.58 | qopi | which is what free software is doing, so cool |
| 20:43.59 | RuffianSoldier | i like xorg |
| 20:43.59 | Milan- | although on my other computer it's UTF8 wich is chosen |
| 20:44.06 | Milan- | (same conf : sarge) |
| 20:44.21 | Milan- | it depends on users, indeed |
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| 20:44.37 | mrwill | RuffianSoldier: well, it's available on other distros, you should use those instead. |
| 20:45.06 | RuffianSoldier | I use Ubuntu, SUSE, Debian, and Win2k |
| 20:45.08 | RuffianSoldier | Ubuntu has it |
| 20:45.12 | RuffianSoldier | im running Hoary |
| 20:45.14 | Daaaani | i got a hyundai L70S+ 17" TFT monitor and i can't figure out how to install it? |
| 20:45.16 | RuffianSoldier | and Im NOT a noob |
| 20:45.29 | Daaaani | i got a hyundai L70S+ 17" TFT monitor and i can't figure out how to install it? |
| 20:45.56 | mrwill | RuffianSoldier: great! well, you should understand that xorg is not packaged in debian, and trying to install it will mostl likely mess up your system. |
| 20:45.59 | greycat | if you want it on debian, read the /topic |
| 20:46.05 | Delph | .oO( you plug the power in the one one and plug the blue cable in the other hole, then it works ) |
| 20:46.07 | jharrisonwk | RuffianSoldier: I know you |
| 20:46.12 | Milan- | So I think I've a conf file that is set properly |
| 20:46.20 | RuffianSoldier | jharrisonwk - from where? |
| 20:46.30 | msf | mrwill: fyi it wasn't working because /bin/false wasn't in /etc/shells by default |
| 20:46.43 | jharrisonwk | hhmmmm |
| 20:46.47 | jharrisonwk | maybe I dont |
| 20:46.51 | RuffianSoldier | lol |
| 20:46.53 | mrwill | msf: oh sorry, thought it was... I must have put it in there long ago and forgotten, otherwise I would have told you. |
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| 20:47.10 | msf | yeah... I should've checked that first I guess :-) |
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| 20:47.21 | juhov | isn't /etc/shells used only by chsh? |
| 20:47.29 | msf | erm no |
| 20:47.39 | takatumi | greycat: I did that from visilab, also got the one from linux-systeme, it'll work, but it's messy on the automagic. |
| 20:47.43 | qopi | what makes me laugh though, is how often people can't use some type of free software with another, coz it has a dif free soft license. If you ask me, that makes it unfree, since you can't use it any way you like |
| 20:47.45 | mrwill | juhov: that's one thing that definitely uses it. |
| 20:47.51 | Milan- | mrwill : in gnome-terminal, locale returns : |
| 20:47.51 | Milan- | milan@milan:~$ locale |
| 20:47.51 | Milan- | LANG=fr_FR@euro |
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| 20:48.03 | qopi | thanks for the quick debian culture lesson :P |
| 20:48.06 | mrwill | qopi: ah, then you must only want bsd systems. |
| 20:48.12 | quittt | whereis apci loaded?? |
| 20:48.16 | mrwill | qopi: you can use those any way at all. |
| 20:48.27 | Delph | qopi: it's a matter of protection; not of freedom. |
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| 20:48.39 | takatumi | quittt: if you mean info, check /proc/acpi/ |
| 20:48.49 | quittt | takatumi, disable it |
| 20:48.55 | Delph | qopi: and even then, read the licences. *you* can do what you like with it =:) |
| 20:48.56 | qopi | Delph: protection against what? |
| 20:49.08 | qopi | heh |
| 20:49.09 | directhex | qopi, your code being used in ms products without credit |
| 20:49.15 | mrwill | qopi: gpl licensing basically keeps people from stealing code and reselling it for profit. |
| 20:49.18 | takatumi | quittt: acpi=off or acpi=noacpi in your bootloader. |
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| 20:49.40 | mrwill | qopi: bsd licensing contains no such restriction, however. |
| 20:49.42 | nvz | qopi: the fact of the matter is its all open. if you are here we assume you agree with our way of doing things and are going to work to defend the same interests.. if you have ideas like drawing people to our project or changing something.. you have to just do it.. this isnt a place for debates. its a user group we all made up our minds a long time ago. we are not interested in your ideas. You have to go out and do things your way and hope people agree and follow |
| 20:50.07 | msf | mrwill: bsd licensing can occassionally contain some clauses that are slightly restricting |
| 20:50.18 | msf | like 4 clasue BSD license |
| 20:50.20 | Gwildor | bastards |
| 20:50.24 | msf | with the advertising clause |
| 20:50.25 | mrwill | msf: I'm painting in broad brush strokes, I know. |
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| 20:50.33 | paulswm | nvz: very, very good summary, first class |
| 20:50.40 | qopi | nvz: you should be interested in my idea, though not about distros etc, since I don't know shit |
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| 20:50.56 | directhex | i'm interested in beer. |
| 20:51.00 | Delph | beer is good. |
| 20:51.03 | nvz | paulswm: I am getting a little heated and its affecting my ability to properly explain it to him in a meaningful way he will understand |
| 20:51.09 | RuffianSoldier | what libs do I need for DVDs again? |
| 20:51.09 | takatumi | nvz: your spelling and grammar has greatly improved. :) |
| 20:51.18 | RuffianSoldier | just did this fresh install - dont remember what libs I need |
| 20:51.22 | paulswm | nvz: you are doing good, my friend |
| 20:51.24 | qopi | applying open organisational type structures more broadly to create a collaborative sustainble economy is what i'm up to |
| 20:51.30 | directhex | RuffianSoldier, libdvdcss2 is the illegal-in-non-free-countries one |
| 20:51.34 | qopi | couldn't do it withoout all you guys though |
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| 20:51.44 | RuffianSoldier | ill take that directhex :) |
| 20:51.55 | femtoid | damn, just got the tar -c | tar -x working, and its not maintaining permissions :( |
| 20:51.56 | takatumi | qopi: hmm, utopian. |
| 20:52.08 | Delph | qopi: I'm all about energizing the synystic co-evaluation of things. With a cattleprod. |
| 20:52.11 | directhex | RuffianSoldier, hope you're not american, simply thinking about it is enough to spend 4 years in guantanamo |
| 20:52.18 | RuffianSoldier | YAY! |
| 20:52.28 | RuffianSoldier | anyway - what sources do I need to add to install it again? |
| 20:52.37 | directhex | !tell RuffianSoldier about marillat |
| 20:52.39 | quittt | takatumi, it is a kernel bug |
| 20:52.51 | robin_sz | hi dudes. I just got my nice shiny dual EM64T Xeon box going, and installed the 2.6.8-10-em64t-p4-smp kernel image, but it fails to boot, due to there being a megaraid, but not megaraid2 .ko, and the box seems to think it wants to modprobe megaraid2 ... clues? |
| 20:52.57 | nvz | qopi: yeah well like I said, always remember where you are at. You are in #debian. We are just debian _users_ and we all agree with debian philosophy and policy. I dont think you even read and understand debians policy and philosophy so even if this were a place to debate it.. you are not qualified |
| 20:53.06 | takatumi | quittt: get 2.6.10 from packages.debian.org |
| 20:53.09 | qopi | nvz: i understood before i came here, you really don't have to explain. if you what mean is "please go away, you stopping us from getting useful work done", you should say so ;) |
| 20:53.24 | Delph | qopi: please stay, you're providing entertainment =:/ |
| 20:53.24 | mrwill | robin_sz: is there a megaraid module? could try putting that in /etc/modules |
| 20:53.35 | RuffianSoldier | thaks directhex |
| 20:53.43 | RuffianSoldier | your one of the nicer ones in #debian |
| 20:54.06 | qopi | nvz: incorrect. i am in this channel and am not yet a debian user (did try it out a while back though) |
| 20:54.12 | robin_sz | mrwill: that wont work, how can it look in etc modules until it can see into the raid drive ... |
| 20:54.16 | directhex | nvz, some agree more than others. personally i don't mind nvidia-glx et al |
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| 20:54.28 | Milan- | so :-) |
| 20:54.38 | Milan- | could somebody help me about UTF-8 problem ? |
| 20:54.44 | nvz | qopi: yeah thats what I am getting at, its a user support channel. We just answer questions for each other about using debian. We are not developers, politicians, or any of that. We made up our minds long before we came here. |
| 20:54.48 | directhex | Milan-, how do you get into x? |
| 20:54.53 | quittt | takatumi, well |
| 20:54.58 | nvz | qopi: if you haven' |
| 20:55.12 | Milan- | directhex : I have soem problems in GNOME |
| 20:55.15 | nvz | qopi: if you haven't already read and agree with debian.. and use it then you have nothing you could possibly gain here |
| 20:55.17 | Mutant-X | how would would I create a keybinding if wanted xine to start by pressing Alt+F3 in Gnome? |
| 20:55.21 | quittt | takatumi, I just need to but them in the blacklist |
| 20:55.28 | directhex | Milan-, how do you get into gnome? |
| 20:55.34 | takatumi | quittt: then do it |
| 20:55.34 | Milan- | directhex : I use UTF8 as system default |
| 20:55.38 | takatumi | !backlist |
| 20:55.43 | Milan- | directhex : with gdm |
| 20:55.46 | takatumi | !blacklist |
| 20:55.47 | dpkg | blacklist is, like, <directhex> to stop modules from being loaded at booot time, add 'skip foo' to /etc/discover.conf and 'foo' to /etc/hotplug/blacklist, or <greycat> and don't forget to remove it from /etc/modules |
| 20:55.51 | TbbW | Crap im out of olives... |
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| 20:55.57 | mrwoody | greycat: exim was surely the problem |
| 20:56.02 | quittt | pciehp and shpchp |
| 20:56.12 | directhex | Milan-, click languages, ensure you're DEFINITELY logging into gdm with utf-8 (gdm setting != locales package setting) |
| 20:56.21 | Raf256 | why in sarge there are packages with grave bugs? |
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| 20:56.32 | directhex | Raf256, because sarge isn't out yet |
| 20:56.34 | Raf256 | can I install previous version, without thoes bugs, for some applicaitions? |
| 20:56.35 | greycat | mrwoody: you're an open spam relay and it was spending all its time in disk I/O state churning over spam? |
| 20:56.37 | qopi | nvz: are you saying that people who are not already debian users are not welcome here? that would surely be ridiculous. or, if that is what the groups thinks, it should say so in the topic, don't you think? wouldn't be very open though |
| 20:56.45 | femtoid | Its weird, tar -cf home.tar THEN scp home.tar newserver:/ - then tar -xf home.tar KEEPS permissions - but tar -cf - /home | ssh newserver tar -xf - -C /home doesn't keep them :/ |
| 20:56.46 | Milan- | directhex : oh yes. does gnome only chooses encoding and language from this ? |
| 20:57.03 | qopi | lol |
| 20:57.04 | mrwoody | greycat: now you know where you spam comes from... |
| 20:57.07 | Coke | Hey all. I just installed ecamegapedal and a lot of LADSPA plugins, but ecamegapedal can't find them. They seem to recide in /usr/lib/ladspa, is this not correct? Anyone with experience with ecamegapedal or similar with a clue? |
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| 20:57.15 | mrwoody | greycat: well anyway could it really be that? |
| 20:57.25 | takatumi | qopi: sure we encourage newcomers, the point being that discussion is still On Topic, i.e. debian related. |
| 20:57.36 | greycat | mrwoody: *find out*! |
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| 20:57.42 | greycat | mrwoody: examine your mail queue and your logs! Sheesh! |
| 20:57.44 | qopi | bah humbug |
| 20:57.44 | darkcmd | what is debians installer written in? |
| 20:57.48 | robin_sz | oh, for anyone that cares, the dec version of Sarge netinst wouldnt load on this dell 1850, but as you lot said, it was worth trying the latest netinst CD, which had the problem fixed,. thanks guys! |
| 20:57.50 | greycat | darkcmd: blood. |
| 20:57.53 | qopi | everyone needs a little fun sometimes |
| 20:57.54 | femtoid | hahah |
| 20:57.58 | darkcmd | no.. I mean the language |
| 20:58.00 | qopi | off-topic or not |
| 20:58.01 | nvz | qopi: no I am saying this is not a political channel to discuss your philosophies. if you had enough sense to actually do something you would be doing it. not in here talking about it. You have to always remember where you are at in life. If you want to gather info aobut debian to add to your philosophy.. you have to understand what kind of people you are interviewing and what their belifs are |
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| 20:58.16 | robin_sz | ignore nvz |
| 20:58.19 | mrwoody | greycat: I just updated exim3... couldn't just be a buggy version? now i am trying exim4 |
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| 20:58.27 | mrwoody | greycat: let's see what happens |
| 20:58.33 | nvz | qopi: its a lot like the Serenity prayer, you have to change the things you can, accept the things you cannot, and have the wisdom to know the difference. |
| 20:58.47 | mrwill | robin_sz: hmmm, you are right, you probably need to put support for that drive in the kernel at compilation time. |
| 20:58.48 | darkcmd | does anyone know what language debian's installer is written in? |
| 20:58.48 | nvz | qopi: you cannot come into this user support channel expecting to change things |
| 20:59.08 | mrwill | darkcmd: last time I checked, lots of languages were available. |
| 20:59.12 | qopi | nvz: i never expected to change anything, just a warmer welcome ;) |
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| 20:59.20 | darkcmd | i meant prgramming language |
| 20:59.21 | qopi | i never even wanted to change anything |
| 20:59.28 | robin_sz | mrwill: hmm, dunno. in my other kernel it loads as a module, but thats got something to do with the initrd I think |
| 20:59.30 | qopi | just find a few basic things out |
| 20:59.30 | Azar | nvz :) |
| 20:59.34 | qopi | which i have done |
| 20:59.42 | Raf256 | where do I set up with login manager (like xdm) starts up - how to change or disable it? |
| 20:59.43 | DjMadness | mrwill: welps, got it sorted, thx for your advice, and thx for the knolledge :) |
| 20:59.45 | takatumi | qopi: trust me you had a warm welcome. |
| 20:59.47 | greycat | Raf256: /msg dpkg nodm |
| 20:59.49 | mrwill | robin_sz: right, you'd want it in the initrd image. |
| 20:59.50 | femtoid | hah |
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| 20:59.58 | nvz | "15:37 < qopi> nvz: fair enough, i've not yet reviewed the policy, but I do reckon you'd get more converts to the debian way" what do you call that |
| 20:59.59 | karsten | Raf256: Install it. It's configured. |
| 21:00.02 | Thaiger | When I installed Debian I had trouble installing grub so I went with lilo, but I really like grub better so how do I switch? |
| 21:00.04 | mrwill | DjMadness: sure. happy to help. |
| 21:00.12 | robin_sz | mrwill: is that doen with mkinitrd? |
| 21:00.13 | mrwill | Thaiger: apt-get install grub? |
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| 21:00.27 | karsten | Thaiger: uninstall lilo. Install grub. |
| 21:00.32 | nvz | like I said nobody here cares who sees or uses debian, we've accepted debian thats why we are here to support debian belifs |
| 21:00.44 | dvs | karsten: No, install grub, uninstall lilo |
| 21:00.44 | mrwill | robin_sz: my memory is foggy too, but I think so |
| 21:00.48 | qopi | nvz: a statement of opinion |
| 21:00.53 | qopi | that is what i call it |
| 21:01.00 | qopi | no, that is what it is |
| 21:01.02 | mrwoody | greycat: /var/log/mail does not contain anything interesting |
| 21:01.09 | karsten | dvs: Doesn't really matter, does it? |
| 21:01.15 | karsten | dvs: ...order, that is. |
| 21:01.20 | nvz | opinions are like assholes, everyone's got one, and nobody wants to hear it |
| 21:01.21 | dvs | karsten: If there is a dependency, it sure does |
| 21:01.28 | Azar | :) hi karsten |
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| 21:01.43 | qopi | nvz: you seem to enjoy talking to me though |
| 21:01.44 | karsten | Azar: Greets. |
| 21:01.44 | darkcmd | So no one knows what debians installer is written in? |
| 21:01.47 | nvz | .. and they are always talking shit they can't back up |
| 21:01.53 | takatumi | hear an asshole, i.e. fart? |
| 21:01.54 | qopi | since you have done much more than anyone else |
| 21:02.00 | nvz | qopi: you seem to want to know something, I just think you are in the wrong place to know it |
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| 21:02.13 | juhov | darkcmd: probably C, but why don't you go find it out? |
| 21:02.16 | mrwill | darkcmd: I just don't remember, you could find out on the website. |
| 21:02.18 | nvz | qopi: I don't want to see you in here misguiding new people who want to use debian with your "opinions" |
| 21:02.20 | wRd | jeeeehaaaa X is working , thank you guys :) |
| 21:02.29 | karsten | dvs: Best I can tell, neither are "required". lilo is "important". grub is "optional". |
| 21:02.29 | darkcmd | how can I find out? |
| 21:02.31 | qopi | nvz: i know all i need to know thanks. just been hanging around for amusements sake |
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| 21:02.40 | mrwill | wRd: you're over the hill and into the lake now! |
| 21:02.48 | nvz | qopi: I come here because I have used debian for years and believe in it. I try to supress any opinions that are not in the interest of this group |
| 21:02.48 | karsten | dvs: You *don't* need a bootloader on your system. It's just generally useful. |
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| 21:03.04 | qopi | nvz: if they are new people, they shouldn't even be in here, surely? |
| 21:03.08 | citral | /quit |
| 21:03.10 | greycat | you only need a bootloader if you plan to boot. |
| 21:03.17 | dvs | karsten: Are there any packages that depend on a bootloader? |
| 21:03.20 | wRd | mrwill: not yet i wanted to configure x.org , i have installed it now in /usr/local/X11R6.8/ :) |
| 21:03.22 | qopi | and why do i care what you out of the 732 people in this channel wants? |
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| 21:03.33 | femtoid | souldn't nfs preserve permissions? |
| 21:03.43 | Hiryu | femtoid, it does for me |
| 21:03.43 | mrwill | femtoid: not necessarily, no. |
| 21:03.44 | greycat | "preserve" in what sense? |
| 21:03.56 | karsten | dvs: I don't believe so. Nothing critical, anyway. |
| 21:04.01 | mrwill | femtoid: I've got an nfs mount that doesn't even preserve uid/guid info. |
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| 21:04.09 | femtoid | damn... |
| 21:04.10 | Azar | I found the bug on nvidia installation and this determined me to establish a sequence of installations starting with /unstable sources, kernel upgrade, xfree86 update then nvidia installation but I cannot figure out which will be first then down in order |
| 21:04.11 | greycat | mrwoody: baloney. |
| 21:04.22 | qopi | nvz: i don't believe in supressing people opinions, but that's just my asshole talking again i guess |
| 21:04.22 | deadchip | anyone has an idea howi can clone a linux installation over network onto a box that has windows xp installed *only*, and without any kind of boot cd or floppies |
| 21:04.22 | karsten | dvs: Eg: kernel images *don't* require bootloader. |
| 21:04.23 | chealer | hey Azar |
| 21:04.23 | mrwoody | greycat: baloney? |
| 21:04.26 | greycat | mrwoody: well... unless you told it specifically to do fancy UID translations. |
| 21:04.28 | Dabian | greycat: I notice something when you searched .. you can specify multiple words on the commandline to apt-cache search? Am I wrong to assume it wasn't always that way? |
| 21:04.28 | qopi | lol |
| 21:04.28 | Azar | hi chealer :) |
| 21:04.31 | femtoid | greycat: In the sense of keeping uid.gid and modes |
| 21:04.33 | greycat | I suppose that's theoretically possible. |
| 21:04.43 | Azar | so I am trying to write a mini tutorial for it |
| 21:04.47 | greycat | Dabian: it's been that way since woody. |
| 21:04.48 | Azar | for debian unstable |
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| 21:05.00 | greycat | I'm pretty sure it was new in woody and not in potato. |
| 21:05.00 | Delph | deadchip: its generally hard to overwrite a system from within it. Use a boot cd or boot floppies or boot off the network. |
| 21:05.03 | zinx | Azar: it shouldn't matter which happens first |
| 21:05.07 | deadchip | yeah of course |
| 21:05.07 | Dabian | greycat: Heh .. I havn't tried it for years .. just was disappointed when I tried and it didn't work ;) |
| 21:05.08 | deadchip | i know |
| 21:05.12 | mrwoody | greycat: I am not sure I understand what you are sayin |
| 21:05.12 | femtoid | greycat: it does an AND or an OR (cmdline) |
| 21:05.12 | deadchip | Dabian: that's not what i meant |
| 21:05.24 | chealer | Azar: which bug? |
| 21:05.25 | Delph | it's "delph", but what did you mean? |
| 21:05.28 | qopi | nvz: i'm interested to know how you asses the interests of the whole group? |
| 21:05.29 | deadchip | Dabian: i meant if i can make that box boot over network |
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| 21:05.31 | Azar | zinx it matters because the nvidia installation requires not only same kernel headers, but the gcc compiler version as well |
| 21:05.32 | Dabian | greycat: I usually use one word, and try to grep the result. |
| 21:05.46 | fenrir | OK, I uninstalled lilo, made sure grub was installed and rebooted, but lilo is still there any advice? |
| 21:05.47 | takatumi | Azar: tried? /msg dpkg nvidia one-liner |
| 21:05.48 | femtoid | Dabian: thats how I do it as well |
| 21:05.50 | greycat | mrwoody: The visible UID of the file on the client *IS* the UID of the file on the server, *unless* you're doing UID translation (which is the default if the UID is 0 and you don't specify no_root_squash, of course). |
| 21:05.52 | deadchip | Dabian: it's a notebook... it supports that but i don't know how i should set up a linux system to enable it to boot from it |
| 21:05.54 | Dabian | greycat: Now it will be easier for me :) |
| 21:05.54 | nvz | qopi: the channel is a support channel |
| 21:05.55 | deadchip | my other notebook.. |
| 21:05.59 | nvz | qopi: for debian |
| 21:06.03 | nvz | qopi: are you following me so far? |
| 21:06.09 | Dabian | deadchip: Is Debian the only OS on that box? |
| 21:06.10 | deadchip | Dabian: i guessed i'll ask in debian because you guys do all this fancy-over-network-installation-stuff |
| 21:06.12 | Azar | so if you go unstable, and install your kernel with gcc-2.95, the upgrades will install you gcc-3.x which will give you a jinx at nvidia installation |
| 21:06.12 | mrwill | deadchip: you can netboot, sure, need a dhcp server and an nfs server. |
| 21:06.20 | femtoid | I thought I needed to do no_squash_root to try and maybe get perms.. |
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| 21:06.30 | karsten | nvz: lilo-config, replicator, webin-grub, bootcd-ia64, dfsbuild, grub-splashimages |
| 21:06.32 | mrwoody | greycat: are you sure that is for me? |
| 21:06.33 | nvz | qopi: so to be allowed to participate you can assume you have to agree with debian policy and philosophy, and either have a problem or want to solve them |
| 21:06.34 | greycat | femtoid: give us an *example* of what you're seeing. |
| 21:06.34 | femtoid | mrwill: don't you need a tftp server as well? |
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| 21:06.39 | deadchip | Dabian: no on the target box (the one that should boot from network) is winxp |
| 21:06.41 | Dabian | deadchip: I've let a retired friend of mine install from an USB-memory stick. |
| 21:06.46 | karsten | nvz: That's all that depends on any of lilo, grub, or bootloader. |
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| 21:06.50 | mrwill | femtoid: righttttt missed that part. |
| 21:06.50 | deadchip | Dabian: ahh good idea |
| 21:06.54 | deadchip | i actually do have one laying around |
| 21:06.59 | greycat | mrwoody: sorry. mrwill was the intended target. |
| 21:07.07 | Dabian | deadchip: Then I don't dare help you .. I am not really comftable with more than one OS. |
| 21:07.11 | mrwoody | greycat: :-) ok... |
| 21:07.13 | Azar | zinx, have time/care to pm with me about this issue? |
| 21:07.16 | Dabian | deadchip: I usually do debian only. |
| 21:07.22 | mrwill | greycat: in which case, I saw nothing, /ignoring him. please resend. |
| 21:07.23 | deadchip | Dabian: yeah i don't want winxp |
| 21:07.31 | deadchip | Dabian: i want to get rid of it (naturally..) |
| 21:07.40 | fuat | has anyone had trouble getting mysql driver plugin QMYSQL3 compiled on debian, I can not get QT to find it? |
| 21:07.41 | Thaiger | How can I switch from lilo to grub, lilo isn't installed anymore (apt-get remove) and grub is, but lilo still boots |
| 21:07.44 | Dabian | deadchip: Then you just insert a debian netinstall or something you can boot from. |
| 21:07.48 | deadchip | well i jut bought a notebook and don't have any linux installation CDs or other media right now |
| 21:07.52 | nvz | qopi: I don't mind you being here... but your attitude towards conveying your oppinion is dangerous here. someone wanting to try debina for the first time comming here for help from people who believe in debian, coudl get a misdirected political view from you insead |
| 21:07.52 | deadchip | deadchip: don't have |
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| 21:07.56 | deadchip | Dabian: ^^ |
| 21:07.58 | deadchip | don't have a burner either |
| 21:08.02 | deadchip | not even really internet at home |
| 21:08.04 | syslogd | whats debian equivalent of /etc/sysconfig/network-scripts/ifcfg-eth0? |
| 21:08.06 | _yuli | hi there |
| 21:08.07 | dvs | Thaiger: grub-install /dev/XXX |
| 21:08.08 | karsten | nvz: systemimager-server and kdeadmin recommends elilo and lilo-config. |
| 21:08.10 | deadchip | i'm atthe universitie's clab |
| 21:08.11 | Dabian | deadchip: http://www.debian.org - you can click your way to USB-install, IIRC. |
| 21:08.11 | deadchip | but anyhow |
| 21:08.16 | deadchip | Dabian: allright |
| 21:08.18 | deadchip | thank |
| 21:08.20 | deadchip | +s |
| 21:08.22 | qopi | nvz: i came here because I do pretty much agree with the essense of the debian philosophy and had a problem i wanted to solve: should i start using debian/getting co-ops UK to use debain |
| 21:08.26 | Dabian | deadchip: Its some work to find it though .. but its there. |
| 21:08.28 | deadchip | just wanted to ask which distro is usb-installable |
| 21:08.31 | karsten | deadchip: Suggest you buy sume. |
| 21:08.34 | Dabian | deadchip: : Go for the Sarge |
| 21:08.37 | deadchip | yeah i'll find it |
| 21:08.38 | karsten | syslogd: /etc/network/interfaces |
| 21:08.41 | deadchip | karsten: sume? |
| 21:08.42 | Dabian | deadchip: Sarge or testing. |
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| 21:08.45 | directhex | !d-i deadchip |
| 21:08.46 | dpkg | deadchip, you want to go to http://www.debian.org/devel/debian-installer/ - for your own good, and everyone else's. |
| 21:08.48 | femtoid | does NFS incur a lot of overhead for transfers? I'm on a gigE switch (with two gigE machines), and it seems VERY slow to copy |
| 21:08.52 | karsten | deadchip: s/sume/some/ |
| 21:08.52 | Dabian | karsten: Sounds reasonable. |
| 21:08.57 | deadchip | karsten: yeah |
| 21:08.58 | deadchip | well |
| 21:09.02 | deadchip | i just want to clone my other installation |
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| 21:09.07 | deadchip | i just need to get some linux on it first |
| 21:09.08 | quittt | problem solved |
| 21:09.12 | syslogd | karsten: thanks but it says do not edit! |
| 21:09.14 | nvz | karsten: I have no idea what you are talking about |
| 21:09.22 | karsten | deadchip: ...or you can do a chroot install from whatever bootable system you've got. LNX-BBC, Knoppix, Tom's Root Boot. |
| 21:09.23 | _yuli | quick question: Is there a way to create an image from root partition while it is mounted? partimage doesnt allow me to do that, is there another way/tool? |
| 21:09.26 | Dabian | greycat: Lot of stuff I do in oldfashioned way because I don't notice that stuff change. |
| 21:09.35 | karsten | nvz: requirements/depends for lilo, grub, or bootloader. |
| 21:09.39 | takatumi | qopi: that is entirely upto you. |
| 21:09.42 | mrwill | femtoid: you might try increasing the block size, that usually helps for me. |
| 21:09.44 | Dabian | greycat: Until recently, I used "modconf" package to "discover" hardware. |
| 21:09.45 | karsten | nvz: You implied that a bootloader was required. It's not. |
| 21:09.47 | quittt | problem solved =]]] |
| 21:09.49 | fuat | has anyone have experience with QT and MySql? |
| 21:09.50 | quittt | it is a kernel bug |
| 21:09.52 | nvz | karsten: yeah? well what are you teling me for? |
| 21:09.53 | femtoid | mrwill: where would I do that? |
| 21:09.54 | directhex | !rube goldberg install |
| 21:09.55 | dpkg | "Hi! I want to install Debian with a 2.6.x kernel on a machine, but I can't boot from floppies, and I can't boot from CD-ROM, and I have no network card. I have only a USB dot matrix printer and a punch card reader." |
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| 21:10.02 | mrwill | femtoid: in /etc/fstab |
| 21:10.03 | nvz | karsten: I havent said the word bootloader all year |
| 21:10.04 | deadchip | karsten: yeah but there's winxp on it |
| 21:10.05 | femtoid | HAHAHA |
| 21:10.12 | karsten | nvz: Um. Wups. dvz ;-) |
| 21:10.14 | deadchip | karsten: i need to have *SOME* linux system on it first for anything further obviously |
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| 21:10.24 | femtoid | mrwill: oh, its a mount option? |
| 21:10.27 | jsn | How would someone try to find all the packages that handle MS's word .doc format as input? |
| 21:10.32 | mrwill | femtoid: yep. |
| 21:10.37 | karsten | dvs: systemimager-server and kdeadmin recommends elilo and lilo-config. |
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| 21:10.51 | deadchip | alsi don't think that notebook can boot from usb |
| 21:10.53 | deadchip | also* |
| 21:10.57 | Dabian | deadchip: When the prompt appears .. type "linux26" .. the default kernel is 2.4 ... but 2.4 is old and boring. |
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| 21:10.59 | karsten | deadchip: You can still to a chroot install. |
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| 21:11.08 | takatumi | jsn: antiword |
| 21:11.08 | deadchip | karsten: from within winxP? |
| 21:11.16 | karsten | deadchip: You're being less than clear as to what the fuck you're trying to do here. |
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| 21:11.20 | Dabian | deadchip: IMHO .. its believed to be more stable though. |
| 21:11.24 | deadchip | yeah i know linux good enough i just needed to know some network instalation method |
| 21:11.31 | deadchip | karsten: allright so |
| 21:11.33 | deadchip | i have 2 notebooks |
| 21:11.38 | deadchip | of which one runs winxp |
| 21:11.44 | deadchip | on this that runs winxp i want to install linux |
| 21:11.53 | deadchip | for now i want to clone my other notebook on it, which runs suse 9.1 |
| 21:11.54 | qopi | nvz: who are you to say my political views are misdirected? (not that you know what they are). That is your opinion, and you are welcome to it, but calling it dangerous is disrespecting the intelligence of other users of this list to decide for themselves what is misdirected and what isn't. anyways, i think we've worn this one out now. good luck all! |
| 21:12.08 | deadchip | it doesn'tmatter for now, i just need to have *some* linux running on it today |
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| 21:12.15 | darkcmd | does debian use grub by default? |
| 21:12.18 | deadchip | so i need a method to boot this notebook over network |
| 21:12.19 | mrwill | deadchip: seriously, netbooting is the way to do it. there is some automated tool for this, but I forget what. |
| 21:12.25 | karsten | deadchip: Do you want to keep XP on the box? |
| 21:12.26 | zinx | darkcmd: testing (aka sarge) does |
| 21:12.30 | mrwill | darkcmd: woody doesn't. |
| 21:12.31 | jharrisonwk | darkcmd: woody = no, sarge+ = yes |
| 21:12.33 | deadchip | because it doesn't boot over usb (i remember that only now, sorry), and i don't have installation CDs |
| 21:12.37 | darkcmd | why doesn't woody use it? |
| 21:12.38 | deadchip | karsten: nope |
| 21:12.43 | zinx | darkcmd: because woody is old. |
| 21:12.49 | directhex | darkcmd, it wasn't ready in early 2002. |
| 21:12.50 | mrwill | darkcmd: because woody was released a long time ago. |
| 21:12.51 | darkcmd | grub is new? |
| 21:12.55 | jharrisonwk | darkcmd: cause why is a crooked letter |
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| 21:13.02 | mrwill | darkcmd: newer than lilo, a lot newer. |
| 21:13.02 | karsten | deadchip: If you plan on nuking XP, you're better off. OTherwise, you're going to need some way of booting the system. From floppy, USB, CDROM, whatever. |
| 21:13.06 | karsten | deadchip: Got floppy? |
| 21:13.09 | zinx | darkcmd: grub was new back when woody was released |
| 21:13.11 | nvz | qopi: I am glad you have a true purpose here, I hope you can focus and get something figured out. What I wanted to show you is why you have a lot of "opinions" that don't add up. its because talk is cheap.. if I tried I could complain or propose to improve lots of things here.. the point is these people are all gathered here to support or get support, they are not debian developers or such, for me to send bug reports and updated code ideas here would be pointless |
| 21:13.13 | karsten | deadchip: http://www.toms.net/rb/ |
| 21:13.15 | deadchip | karsten: nope |
| 21:13.19 | karsten | !tell deadchip about chroot install. |
| 21:13.22 | karsten | deadchip: Got USB? |
| 21:13.25 | deadchip | or maybe i stil have that damned floppy |
| 21:13.27 | femtoid | mrwill: two quick questions - should I leave on no_root_squash, and what is a good block size - bigger is better? |
| 21:13.31 | deadchip | karsten: yeah but it doesn't boot from usb |
| 21:13.36 | karsten | deadchip: Got a USB floppy drive? Or can you buy, borrow, or steal one? |
| 21:13.37 | deadchip | i know how to chroot install debian |
| 21:13.49 | mrwill | femtoid: I use 32768 for block size. dunno about no_root_squash. |
| 21:13.51 | deadchip | karsten: if it were about tomorrow it's no problem, i just need some system running on it today |
| 21:13.52 | zinx | femtoid: usually smaller is better |
| 21:13.56 | femtoid | ah |
| 21:13.57 | deadchip | well probably it's not crucial |
| 21:14.00 | karsten | deadchip: What boot options do you have? PXE? |
| 21:14.16 | karsten | deadchip: Your needs aren't my problem. However I'll try to help you evaluate your options. |
| 21:14.21 | zinx | femtoid: smaller block sizes == less possible files, but less wasted space; larger block sizes == more possible files, but more wasted space |
| 21:14.22 | nvz | I don't know why people can't understand where they are at |
| 21:14.23 | darkcmd | doesn't grub support themes |
| 21:14.32 | karsten | deadchip: You can also remove the HD and mount it somewhere else. |
| 21:14.43 | femtoid | zinx: but how does that translate to transfering files over nfs, I want it to go quickly |
| 21:14.52 | zinx | femtoid: ooh, in that case, bigger is better |
| 21:14.55 | femtoid | oh |
| 21:14.57 | karsten | darkcmd: GRUB supports splash images, why the fuck you'd theme your bootloader is beyond me. |
| 21:14.57 | femtoid | :) |
| 21:14.58 | mrwill | nvz: oh come on, you just spent like half an hour arguing with somebody who was probably an 11 year old. |
| 21:14.59 | deadchip | karsten: ah true |
| 21:15.00 | zinx | femtoid: sorry, i misunderstood the problem ;) |
| 21:15.01 | nvz | its like people I see on 635 comming from Dallas, zooming around me on the Freeway.. its fucking rush hour in dallas, they are zooming around me to end up in a traffic jam |
| 21:15.08 | deadchip | well i don't thnk i can put it into my other notebook |
| 21:15.11 | femtoid | zinx: tahts how I've felt all day :) |
| 21:15.14 | deadchip | ok i'll see what i can do |
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| 21:15.30 | mrwill | femtoid: like I said, you want a generous block size for nfs. |
| 21:15.30 | nvz | some people get this self important mindset or something and just totally forget where they are at |
| 21:15.42 | nvz | I wish I could understand it |
| 21:15.46 | karsten | deadchip: There are laptop -> IDE converter caddies you can buy for $20-$50 US. |
| 21:15.51 | femtoid | mrwill: Yea.. ... -o bs doesn't work, lemme read more |
| 21:16.09 | karsten | deadchip: And I'd explore that USB boot option as you probably _can_ boot a recent laptop from USB. |
| 21:16.25 | mrwill | nvz: yeah, people's behavior driving always astonishes me, I think it has to do with some primal sense of motion that we are wired for. |
| 21:16.26 | darkcmd | karsten, I mean something like this... http://www.jaist.ac.jp/~amatsus/images/grub.png |
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| 21:16.50 | nvz | the same way you sit in a traffic jam and listen to the radio instead of cussing and driving like a nut around everyone.. you can just bite your tonge and keep your harmful opinions out of the advice you convey in a support channel |
| 21:16.53 | femtoid | mrwill: do I want buffersize or blocksize? |
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| 21:17.03 | mrwill | femtoid: blocksize. |
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| 21:17.19 | FieldySnuts | sort of like when people zip around you.. to a red light. gotta hurry to stop! fools |
| 21:17.27 | femtoid | mrwill: and thats documented in man mount under nfs? |
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| 21:17.30 | directhex | darkcmd, what about it? debian has a package with some splashes in it |
| 21:17.33 | FieldySnuts | and i mean a red light that's red when they pass you |
| 21:17.38 | karsten | darkcmd: splashimage= <location> |
| 21:17.41 | femtoid | mrwill: man 5 nfs :) |
| 21:17.42 | darkcmd | directhex, was what I showed you a splash? |
| 21:17.58 | mrwill | femtoid: rsize=32768,wsize=32768 are the options I'm referring to, maybe it's packet size I mean. |
| 21:18.15 | directhex | !info grub-splashimages |
| 21:18.18 | dpkg | grub-splashimages: (a collection of great GRUB splashimages), section admin, is optional. Version: 1.0 (sid), Packaged size: 285 kB, Installed size: 360 kB |
| 21:18.25 | femtoid | mrwill: I think it is packet or buffer size, but thank you VERY much!, it seems liek SOME permissions are saved and others arent... wierd |
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| 21:18.34 | karsten | darkcmd: 640x480 xpm files, gzipped. |
| 21:18.56 | mrwill | femtoid: yeah, I think you have to be specific about setting that up if you want it to happen. |
| 21:19.00 | nvz | FieldySnuts: yeah I have a cousin, she's about 4 months younger than I. she takes out all her frustration behind the wheel, sees a car moving slowly 500ft ahead, and speeds up to it then has to slam on the brakes, makeing it out to be their fault. |
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| 21:19.09 | Azar | the debian way of installing nvidia is the hardest way I ever seen, it walks you into a maze of files you have to copy, save, move , match kernel headers by hand is a pure nightmare for a beginner. By contrast, the nvidia installer downloaded from the nvidia site, has a clear, easy to understand README and the installer tells you not only what goes wrong but even what to do about it. I will recommend it to all beginners. |
| 21:19.26 | mrwill | Azar: it is pretty easy, all right. |
| 21:19.30 | femtoid | mrwill: I think last time I moved this server, I dook out the HD and just cp -a'd everything... but this is a running machine this time :( |
| 21:19.38 | directhex | Azar, great, but it doesn't work |
| 21:19.46 | Phated | asg: No, I didn't. |
| 21:19.48 | directhex | Azar, i can go into depth if you like. |
| 21:19.48 | Azar | directhex, it works |
| 21:20.06 | Azar | there are prerequisites for the nvidia installer |
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| 21:20.09 | darkcmd | man I want that bootsplash in that one image.. but can't find it |
| 21:20.11 | takatumi | darkcmd: http://debblue.debian.net/ |
| 21:20.15 | Azar | if you have what it takes, it goes super |
| 21:20.19 | mrwill | femtoid: whoa, be sure to mount the filesystem you are copying from read-only for the copy, otherwise it might get changed while you copy. |
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| 21:20.21 | _Nick0r | hi guys |
| 21:20.26 | directhex | Azar, first of all, it doesn't set up TLS correctly on 2.4 kernel systems. secondly it overwrites files handled by dpkg, which can cause massive system fuckups if either the kernel of x packages are updated |
| 21:20.28 | _Nick0r | for some reason my named/dns broke |
| 21:20.30 | _Nick0r | and the logs don't help me much |
| 21:20.31 | FieldySnuts | wee |
| 21:20.33 | takatumi | darkcmd: not that one though. |
| 21:20.54 | femtoid | mrwill: damn... can't do that - its live... I'm just trying to make sure it works before I do it - but I didn't even thinkg about ro :( |
| 21:20.59 | _Nick0r | see http://www.pastebin.com/237299 |
| 21:21.00 | _Nick0r | for the log |
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| 21:21.29 | directhex | Azar, using the debian packages is one line. update your kernel or nvidia version, it's 14 characters to fix it including the enter key. |
| 21:21.30 | mrwill | femtoid: files changing while you read them will mess up tar, at least, to the point of making the operation fail. |
| 21:21.37 | chealer | !nickometer _Nick0r |
| 21:21.37 | dpkg | '_Nick0r' is 99.780% lame, chealer |
| 21:21.38 | darkcmd | is there a way I can have the grub theme, without a splash |
| 21:21.40 | _Nick0r | ? |
| 21:21.41 | _Nick0r | lol |
| 21:21.51 | darkcmd | like.. just the grub theme.. not a splash screen that comes up |
| 21:21.53 | tatoo | hey folks....which parameters do i use to shutdown in order to leave a message for my user? |
| 21:21.58 | femtoid | it took 2 minutes for 680 megs.. that seems VERY slow |
| 21:22.02 | Azar | directhex, firstly you need to be sid |
| 21:22.06 | mrwill | femtoid: other low level utilities like dd probably won't be happy either. |
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| 21:22.14 | Azar | and have dist-upgrade fresh |
| 21:22.18 | Azar | with latest packages |
| 21:22.29 | mrwill | femtoid: dunno, nfs performance tuning is a big subject. |
| 21:22.36 | directhex | Azar, sarge seems happy enough here. |
| 21:22.48 | femtoid | does this make sense: it changes permissions last - after its done copying? if I cancle the copy, the permissions are messed up - if I let it finish, they seem to be ok |
| 21:22.49 | kaplanfx | does anyone know if I would need to reboot after running fdisk on a usb-storage external drive, or do I just need to power cycle the external enclosure to make sure the new partition table is read correctly? |
| 21:22.55 | greycat | femtoid: yes. |
| 21:23.02 | mrwill | kaplanfx: probably neither. |
| 21:23.02 | karsten | deadchip: booting USB: http://www.aaltonen.us/archive/2004/03/01/tip-boot-from-usb-key-addendum/ |
| 21:23.05 | femtoid | Ok, tahts one issue down |
| 21:23.05 | directhex | Azar, it's missing from sarge currently due to a packaging bug which the maintainer is working on. else the sid packages work perfectly |
| 21:23.11 | qopi | nvz: sorry, just had to add that I actually really respect your role and gatekeeper of being "on topic". A quicker way to disperse of my/similar off-topic conversation would not to engage me/others in conversation. just a little tip ;) |
| 21:23.15 | mrwill | kaplanfx: just remount the disk. |
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| 21:23.25 | Azar | oh ok, but keep in mind, I was browsing three HOWTOS last night and was not able to identify and act on the files they were recommending backedup, merged, moved...etc |
| 21:23.30 | _Nick0r | gahh |
| 21:23.31 | _Nick0r | any ideas |
| 21:23.36 | greycat | !any ideas |
| 21:23.37 | dpkg | Yeah, I have an idea! But I'll need a box of condoms, a little vegemite, and 42 rabid weasels. And keep the cops off my back for the next few hours! |
| 21:23.39 | directhex | Azar, they were all shit, then |
| 21:23.48 | directhex | !tell Azar about nvidia one-liner |
| 21:23.49 | _Nick0r | (21:23:51) (_Nick0r) see http://www.pastebin.com/237299 |
| 21:23.50 | _Nick0r | (21:23:52) (_Nick0r) for the log |
| 21:23.51 | kaplanfx | mrwill: mkresierfs said something to nature of REBOOT AFTER RUNNING FDISK! and it got me worried |
| 21:23.54 | nvz | qopi: we all get off-topic especially people like me who have been here for years |
| 21:23.56 | _Nick0r | no reason for named/bind to not work from that IMO |
| 21:23.57 | mrwill | femtoid: must be that is what it does. you can't chmod/chown a file that doesn't exist. |
| 21:24.07 | nvz | qopi: you just seem to be on a quest to know.. I am trying to show you how to know |
| 21:24.18 | kaplanfx | its a brand new drive and a brand new enclosure |
| 21:24.19 | Azar | directhex, just as out of curiosity did you read the README file that comes with nvidia installer? |
| 21:24.19 | femtoid | mrwill: makes sense... |
| 21:24.21 | mrwill | kaplanfx: that's probably just if it is your root filesystem. |
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| 21:24.30 | _yuli | please people I need some help .... |
| 21:24.36 | _yuli | quick question: Is there a way to create an image from root partition while it is mounted? partimage doesnt allow me to do that, is there another way/tool? |
| 21:24.42 | directhex | Azar, i have read it before. |
| 21:24.42 | qopi | aha, you've hit the nail on the head. i am a knowledge nomad |
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| 21:24.44 | kaplanfx | mrwill: yeah its not, its just a bunch of storage mounted in my /home/me dir |
| 21:24.44 | Albacker | dunno why but I had some problems when installing debian. Something with the X server :S |
| 21:24.46 | _Nick0r | greycat you've always done a great job in helping me in the past, any chance of help again? |
| 21:24.50 | nvz | qopi: part of it is knowing the people you are talking to. and we are not people who are going to run out and change anything. if you are.. you shouldnt be talking about it here |
| 21:24.53 | Albacker | what should I choose xmd, gmd or what ? |
| 21:24.57 | chealer | Azar: I'm also here to oppose you whenever you want to recommend nvidia-installer instead of the debian way :) |
| 21:24.58 | qopi | .."on a quest to know" i like that |
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| 21:25.07 | mrwill | kaplanfx: you be fine just mounting it again, I'm pretty sure. |
| 21:25.11 | Azar | directhex, well what can I say I was not able to mess up with debian installation for nvidia |
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| 21:25.32 | robin_sz | hmmm .. megaraid2 support in the debian 2.6 series kernels, seems to be .. err. hmm. not there? |
| 21:25.40 | directhex | Azar, for the moment. nvidia-installer will royally fuck you in the ass in any of the situations already stated |
| 21:25.45 | qopi | nvz: i'm confused as to why you were/are so convinced i want to change things, and also why you are so scared of change |
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| 21:25.50 | mrwill | _yuli: do you want the image to be accurate? if so, you'd better mount it read only. then I'd use dd to make the image. |
| 21:26.13 | mrwill | robin_sz: man, you have all that fancy hardware, and you didn't check if it was supported? |
| 21:26.14 | qopi | nvz: it is most fun talking off-topic with you, i have to say! most amusing |
| 21:26.20 | Azar | directhex, dpkg tells the truth there: You currently need unstable/sid sources, not just testing/sarge. see <quick sid/sarge mix> |
| 21:26.22 | _yuli | mrwill. i have to do it remotley using ssh |
| 21:26.22 | nvz | qopi: you are saying things like what we should do, and how we should be.. |
| 21:26.32 | kaplanfx | heh I've never had a lot of external storage, kinda scares me that I can simply turn off 160G of my filesystem with a switch on the back of the device |
| 21:26.33 | ArCHoNKoG | why when restart i need to keep doing module-assistant auto-insttall nvidia so i can my video working |
| 21:26.38 | mrwill | _yuli: ok, so pipe it over ssh. |
| 21:26.39 | kaplanfx | hotplug seems to be ok with it though |
| 21:26.47 | robin_sz | mrwill: its supported fine under 2.4, but I have an urge to try 2.6 |
| 21:26.57 | directhex | Azar, it says that because i wrote it. and it's needed because of a bug in the packaging process, as i already said |
| 21:27.01 | _yuli | mrwill: you mean using scp? |
| 21:27.04 | quittt | what rm -rf / does? DO NOT RUN IT |
| 21:27.07 | directhex | ArCHoNKoG, echo nvidia >> /etc/modules |
| 21:27.13 | Azar | directhex, I have managed to install nvidia with its own installer last night, and have already succeeded on having an X desktop |
| 21:27.24 | chealer | directhex: hehe ;) |
| 21:27.36 | directhex | Azar, want a cookie? trust me, i know more about this than you. |
| 21:27.41 | mrwill | _yuli: no, I mean like cp -R / | ssh place_you_want_file_to_go cat > filename |
| 21:27.41 | brynjarh | Why does Debian support non-free software?? |
| 21:27.50 | robin_sz | we sold out |
| 21:27.54 | mrwill | _yuli: pipe it over ssh. |
| 21:27.55 | robin_sz | for peanuts |
| 21:27.59 | ArCHoNKoG | directhex, it already there |
| 21:27.59 | takatumi | quittt: you sound like you tried it. |
| 21:28.01 | mrwill | mmm peanuts |
| 21:28.01 | Azar | directhex, the debian installation of nvidia does not work for me |
| 21:28.02 | robin_sz | amd beer |
| 21:28.07 | mrwill | mmmm beer. |
| 21:28.10 | qopi | nvz: so what? i'm not actually trying to change things. on the other hand, if you dcan't adjust to the change in a complex adaptive system, you will perish and die (ok, so that is a bit strong in many cases) |
| 21:28.16 | robin_sz | drink beer .. good. |
| 21:28.17 | Azar | yeah I deserve a beer |
| 21:28.22 | mrwill | robin_sz: I'm glad we did that, life is much better now. |
| 21:28.23 | nvz | qopi: and I am not afraid of change, but the people comming here for support expect to find it.. I cannot work at Dell arguing with all their customers to just switch to debian when they call me with windows problems.. that would be my opinions getting in the way of the support |
| 21:28.30 | takatumi | !troll feed |
| 21:28.36 | deadchip | i deserve all the beer im the world |
| 21:28.40 | _yuli | mrwill: copy a whole partition into a filename on the remote server? dont get it... |
| 21:28.44 | quittt | !troll quinten |
| 21:28.47 | quittt | !troll quittt |
| 21:28.47 | chealer | brynjarh: http://www.debian.org/vote/2004/vote_002 |
| 21:28.50 | Azar | any beginner can use that installer if he/she dares to go sid all the way |
| 21:28.58 | mrwill | _yuli: that's just an example, obviously it won't work right. |
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| 21:29.11 | qopi | nvz: that was a good example about dell. but you *could* do that, and if you work at dell, please do ;) |
| 21:29.14 | mrwill | _yuli: showing you how to pipe output of commands over ssh. |
| 21:29.26 | _yuli | mrwill: sorry , thanks anyway, Im going crazy with this |
| 21:29.28 | directhex | Azar, any user who uses sid all the way is asking for a fucked system anyway. they're also the ones most likely to be affected by nvidia-installer brokenness |
| 21:30.01 | chealer | Azar: trust directhex. it doesn't work because you're complicating your life with stuff like custom kernels and using sid |
| 21:30.06 | jjazz | damn you people have me drinking in the middle of the afternoon |
| 21:30.06 | Azar | directhex, sorry to disagree, I am a newbie with sid all the way up and my system is not fucked up |
| 21:30.10 | robin_sz | shall I get popcorn? |
| 21:30.13 | kaplanfx | mrwill: this look ok? /dev/sda1 150G 33M 150G 1% /home/kaplanfx/media |
| 21:30.23 | kaplanfx | /dev/sda1 on /home/kaplanfx/media type reiserfs (rw) |
| 21:30.25 | qopi | robin_sz: nah, unless it is salted |
| 21:30.26 | directhex | Azar, saying you're a newbie with sid has destroyed your credibility. |
| 21:30.33 | chealer | Azar: so why complain it doesn't work? |
| 21:30.39 | mrwill | kaplanfx: looks fine to me. |
| 21:30.42 | Azar | chealer, I do not have a custom kernel, just the regular stable 2.6.10 I got from kernels.org |
| 21:30.44 | robin_sz | qopi: salted? ... toffee or death! |
| 21:30.44 | kaplanfx | nice :) |
| 21:30.50 | jjazz | robin_sz: Stop talking about food... you'll have me popping corn in a few minutes, damn you! |
| 21:30.53 | kaplanfx | mrwill: thanks for the help |
| 21:31.02 | directhex | Azar, a custom fucking kernel. everyone else is happy with debian packages. |
| 21:31.03 | chealer | Azar: yeah, a custom kernel. get a kernel-image |
| 21:31.04 | qopi | and we're not beating each other, we're chatting off-topic ;P |
| 21:31.07 | femtoid | the tar | ssh kept permissions too - when it finished - it took about 20 seconds less then the other |
| 21:31.14 | Azar | all "customization" I did was to tell what hardware and drivers I have the rest went itself |
| 21:31.22 | robin_sz | jjazz: my wife is bringing back Pizza in a few minutes, to help soak up this beer. |
| 21:31.34 | mrwill | femtoid: well, yes, tar preserves permissions, that's one reason it is so useful. |
| 21:31.43 | robin_sz | jjazz: deep pan veggie feast, 12" i think ... |
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| 21:31.52 | directhex | Azar, how did you install the kernel? |
| 21:31.53 | femtoid | mrwill: I guess I was just impatient before... :) |
| 21:31.59 | qopi | we're gonna need some linux nerds ;) |
| 21:32.04 | Azar | the most work I did was researching for HOWTO the debian way nvidia, which most debian manuals are OLD for sid |
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| 21:32.08 | nvz | qopi: we all have an obligation to do our best to follow the freenode channel guidelines and stay on topic, in a channel this large, that offers free user-based support to over 30,000 users a year... its not easy to still have a working environment.. even the operators are volenteer here. so we all have to try and be catalysts. |
| 21:32.13 | jjazz | robin_sz: Hmm... ordering a pizza sounds real good about now... maybe a sicillian pie... I'm really starting to dislike you ;) |
| 21:32.17 | tatoo | [warning-message] should be used w/ quotes at the shutdown command? |
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| 21:32.39 | robin_sz | jjazz: if it helps any, I'll post jpegs ;) |
| 21:32.54 | qopi | nvz: yes, i agree. please stop entertaining me by replying! then i can leave in peace |
| 21:33.00 | nvz | qopi: sometimes you have to set your beliefs aside, sometimes you have to bite your toung ;) |
| 21:33.05 | jjazz | robin_sz: OK... that's it... I'm ordering a pizza. My gf will be happy she doesn't have to cook tonight. |
| 21:33.10 | nvz | qopi: heh |
| 21:33.18 | qopi | like i said, the best thing would be to ignore off topic people, not engage them in amusing conversation |
| 21:33.23 | jjazz | robin_sz: And you are evil... I'm supposed to be on a health kick |
| 21:33.42 | tatoo | by the way....i just want to see the command on my notebook.... |
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| 21:33.52 | brynjarh | chealer: Jesus.. "By contrast there is not, to the best of my knowledge, any evidence at all to support the claims that supporting non-free costs as anything notable.", anyone heard of something called freedom?? |
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| 21:34.30 | robin_sz | jjazz: thats why I suggested a veggie pizza, vegatables and cheese, what could be healthier? you know, I reckon, the more of it yu eat, the healthier it is! .. yeah that works! |
| 21:34.41 | kaplanfx | mrwill: I think I have to reboot anyway, I mounted the device as root now users can't write to it and I can't unmount it even though none of my terminals or filemanagers are looking at it. |
| 21:34.49 | directhex | Azar, let me guess, make && make install? |
| 21:35.07 | mrwill | kaplanfx: you are supposed to mount filesystems are root usually. |
| 21:35.09 | jjazz | My cardilogist is going to hate you too. |
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| 21:35.17 | Azar | directhex, I downloaded 2.6.10, moved the bz2 image in /usr/src, untarred in there entered in the directory of it, make menuconfig, make && make modules-install, cp arch/i386/boot/bzImage /boot/kernel-2.6.10, configured lilo, /sbin/lilo, reboot |
| 21:35.18 | mrwill | kaplanfx: rebooting won't change the permissions, if that is your problem. |
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| 21:35.25 | kaplanfx | mrwill: thats what I thought |
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| 21:35.34 | bobobo | moo |
| 21:35.37 | directhex | Azar, you _REALLY_ hate packages don't you. try slackware or gentoo |
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| 21:35.49 | Azar | directhex, I love Debian |
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| 21:35.51 | nvz | heh |
| 21:35.54 | dvs | Azar: or /msg dpkg kp |
| 21:35.56 | brynjarh | chealer: Looks like freedom is not notable to the writer of this argument, still he uses Debian and doesn't seam to care about freedom, doesn't even mention it in the argument. |
| 21:35.58 | Azar | the harder it goes , the more I love it |
| 21:35.59 | mrwill | kaplanfx: you need to chmod or chown the mount point so other users can access it. |
| 21:36.05 | kaplanfx | mrwill: eh I figured out the problem |
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| 21:36.12 | kaplanfx | yeah thats what I just realized |
| 21:36.16 | Azar | directhex, you mean I did it wrong? |
| 21:36.21 | ledet | Azar: then what are you doing with debian? debian is for lazy people |
| 21:36.22 | kaplanfx | its in my home dir, but I accidently created it as root |
| 21:36.35 | nvz | Azar: If I were you I would be hospitalized from all the whining you've done in here lately.. you still getting grief from the nvidia package? |
| 21:36.35 | chealer | brynjarh: be a debian dev if you want to vote on this |
| 21:36.36 | Azar | :( |
| 21:36.42 | directhex | Azar, you did it the 'i hate my files being handled by a package manager' way |
| 21:36.44 | mrwill | kaplanfx: right, that's not going to be writable by your regular user. |
| 21:36.46 | Azar | nvz look what they say about debian! |
| 21:36.50 | Azar | blasfemy |
| 21:36.52 | kaplanfx | mrwill: If I used defaults in my fstab I can't unmount a drive? |
| 21:36.54 | nvz | Azar: they? |
| 21:36.59 | brynjarh | chealer: yea, that's the plan. |
| 21:37.00 | nvz | oh |
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| 21:37.16 | mrwill | kaplanfx: you can give it the 'user' option so anybody can mount/umount it. |
| 21:37.21 | kaplanfx | /dev/sda1 /home/kaplanfx/media reiserfs defaults 0 |
| 21:37.21 | kaplanfx | 0 |
| 21:37.31 | kaplanfx | even root can't unmount it in this case |
| 21:37.34 | chealer | brynjarh: great :) |
| 21:37.45 | Azar | directhex, just as a small example, there is no other linux distro community like debian, what about that? |
| 21:37.47 | kaplanfx | its not being access as far as I can tell |
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| 21:37.58 | mrwill | kaplanfx: wha? something must be accessing it then, check lsof to see what. |
| 21:38.02 | Azar | I do not like gentoo people, ok? |
| 21:38.20 | mrwill | Azar: what's not to like about gentoobies? |
| 21:38.21 | robin_sz | yeah, gentoo people smell bad. |
| 21:38.24 | directhex | Azar, but of 2 packages mentionned so far, you've decided dpkg isn't good enough for you? |
| 21:38.32 | Azar | mrwill, they are snubbing with beginners |
| 21:38.46 | mrwill | Azar: so are we if the beginners are retards. |
| 21:38.49 | cg0def | hi, I am trying to install the latest version of gnomad2 because it is the only one that runs fine with my zen xtra |
| 21:38.56 | kaplanfx | mrwill: yeah im not seeing anything |
| 21:39.00 | cg0def | it is in experimental but it won't show up in apt |
| 21:39.05 | cg0def | help pls |
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| 21:39.13 | Azar | directhex, I did not imply that is only that I grew up with apt-get as nanny |
| 21:39.14 | directhex | i wrote a detailed, easy install guide for sarge, from open-source concepts to playing 3d games, which was linked on slashdot, you dolt |
| 21:39.17 | mrwill | kaplanfx: that's strange. |
| 21:39.29 | kaplanfx | I used lsof | grep /home/kaplanfx/media/ |
| 21:39.29 | cg0def | I added an experimental server to my apt sources and it still won't show up |
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| 21:39.40 | kaplanfx | but im still getting kapbox:/home/kaplanfx# umount /dev/sda1 |
| 21:39.41 | kaplanfx | umount: /home/kaplanfx/media: device is busy |
| 21:39.41 | directhex | debian isn't being snubbed for beginners, bad methodology is |
| 21:39.42 | Azar | directhex, and your criticism is constructive, I will take time to read about dpkg |
| 21:39.44 | mrwill | kaplanfx: try grepping for the name of the device. |
| 21:39.49 | nvz | It seems Gentoitis is a result of use of linux therapy to treat wintendo zombies |
| 21:39.52 | kaplanfx | yeah I tried that too |
| 21:39.53 | kaplanfx | nothing |
| 21:39.57 | juhov | cg0def: did you remember to apt-get update? |
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| 21:40.16 | cg0def | well I was doing through synaptic and yes I updated |
| 21:40.17 | mrwill | kaplanfx: boy, you got me. |
| 21:40.26 | kaplanfx | damn |
| 21:40.33 | takatumi | kaplanfx: tried umount -l? |
| 21:40.39 | Azar | I only want to use one linux distro, and since I started with Debian I will stay with it |
| 21:40.44 | kaplanfx | takatumi: no, what will that do? |
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| 21:40.50 | mrwill | kaplanfx: sounds like it should work, but it isn't. you aren't sitting in the directory with a shell anywhere, are you? |
| 21:40.51 | directhex | !nvidia-installermsite Azar |
| 21:40.59 | FieldySnuts | HEH |
| 21:41.03 | takatumi | kaplanfx: are you having trouble unmounting? |
| 21:41.07 | kaplanfx | mrwill: no, I only have one shell open right now |
| 21:41.09 | kaplanfx | takatumi: yep |
| 21:41.11 | nvz | you gotta respect Gentoo despite the fucktards that it attracts. they are working hard on optimizing GNU/Linux |
| 21:41.16 | takatumi | yeah try -l |
| 21:41.21 | Dabian | Yes |
| 21:41.29 | Dabian | Now lintian doesn't emit any errors :) |
| 21:41.32 | directhex | nvz, the funny thing is, optimising is a false god |
| 21:41.42 | kaplanfx | takatumi: that worked, but is it dangerous? |
| 21:41.49 | fuat | Is anybody using QT with the Mysql - driver -plugin successfully on sarge? |
| 21:41.52 | quittt | Dabian, ?? |
| 21:41.56 | Dabian | I wonder if Debian want more package maintainers or has too many already? |
| 21:41.59 | takatumi | kaplanfx: YMMV |
| 21:42.06 | kaplanfx | ? |
| 21:42.07 | FieldySnuts | optimising is fine, overoptimising is a hard to notice line that causes at the least wasted ram, longer load times, at the worst, goofy crashes and badness |
| 21:42.16 | Dabian | quittt: Its a program to check a debian package. |
| 21:42.17 | takatumi | !ymmv |
| 21:42.17 | dpkg | from memory, ymmv is your mileage may vary. [From 200 litres per km to 200 km per litre.] |
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| 21:42.22 | kaplanfx | lazy |
| 21:42.25 | chealer | Azar: it's no problem that the harder it goes , the more you love it. use nvidia-installer. the problem is most people here are sane, so please don't recommend them to use nvidia-installer |
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| 21:42.32 | kaplanfx | lazy unmount, haha |
| 21:42.42 | kaplanfx | well it shouldn't be a prob there is no data on the drive yet |
| 21:42.42 | directhex | !beer chealer |
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| 21:42.51 | exalted | hi. |
| 21:42.56 | kaplanfx | I just don't want a corrupted fs, reiserfsck sucks |
| 21:43.00 | chealer | yay! a beer from directhex! thanks man :) |
| 21:43.12 | Dabian | quittt: I packaged some software for debian, and lintian said I made errors .. I've fixed the reminders of the errors, and now lintain is happy. :) |
| 21:43.20 | mrwill | Dabian: there are always packages being abandoned for lack of maintainers, so yes, more would be helpful. |
| 21:43.28 | exalted | On boot, i see "Starting X Desktop Manager: xxx" and then all freeze. What's the prob/solution? Thx. |
| 21:43.44 | robin_sz | mrwill: could I offer a little advice? its just that I saw you use the phrase 'retard' with a new user earlier ... |
| 21:43.46 | nvz | directhex: still Gnu/Linux is an evolving Open OS project.. and the research being done with gentoo allows you to backup your claims with actualy facts |
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| 21:44.23 | Dabian | mrwill: OK. Is there a list of packages that needs adoption? (I think there is .. but I have no idea how to find it) |
| 21:44.26 | directhex | nvz, you mean the 'optimise this! oh wait, it doesn't make it better' research? :P |
| 21:44.26 | mrwill | exalted: you need to look in your logs and find the error, then fix it. /var/log/Xfree86.log |
| 21:44.32 | nvz | heh |
| 21:44.40 | mrwill | Dabian: it's somewhere on the debian website, yes. |
| 21:44.49 | Dabian | thanks |
| 21:44.59 | exalted | mrwill, let's see. |
| 21:45.02 | robin_sz | mrwill: thats not channel etiquette. more appropriate would have been to use approved channel languages .. such as 'retardo' or 'fucktard' |
| 21:45.06 | jjazz | http://www.debian.org/devel/wnpp/orphaned <-- orphaned packages |
| 21:45.16 | kaplanfx | mrwill: ok I create my dir as myself, when I ls -la I get that its owner and group is me, but then when I su to root and mount the drive, the owner and group changes to root |
| 21:45.42 | mrwill | robin_sz: or just 'tard', you are quite right, sir, my apologies. |
| 21:45.52 | robin_sz | bows |
| 21:45.55 | robin_sz | :) |
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| 21:46.39 | mrwill | kaplanfx: chown / chmod it after it is mounted to make the change permanent, I think. |
| 21:46.48 | kaplanfx | i'll try that |
| 21:46.49 | kaplanfx | thanks |
| 21:46.59 | Dabian | mrwill: : http://www.debian.org/devel/wnpp/rfa_bypackage |
| 21:47.01 | directhex | nvz, i've spent a couple of days runngin through varying benchmarks with 3 different compilers. the opinion i have is: gcc -O2 is about as much as most people would need or want, all in all. |
| 21:47.16 | exalted | mrwill, i have no any /var/log/xfree86.log file. |
| 21:47.22 | mrwill | Dabian: yep, that's it. |
| 21:47.29 | mrwill | exalted: ! |
| 21:47.35 | takatumi | directhex: yesterday you were slanting towards the intel one. |
| 21:47.42 | exalted | mrwill: ? |
| 21:47.44 | FieldySnuts | maar ik spreek het geen Nederlands. |
| 21:48.09 | Dabian | debconf is one of them .. wow |
| 21:48.12 | Azar | um ok |
| 21:48.15 | mrwill | exalted: you should... without the log it will be mighty hard to determine the problem. |
| 21:48.15 | Azar | sorry for the rant |
| 21:48.32 | directhex | takatumi, had a chance to play with it. making binaries which still execute on amd64, it has MASSIVE speed for memory transfer, average on floating & integer. yet, oddly, it sometimes generates really fast code on the same source with the same flags, if you do the compile 10 times in a row |
| 21:48.32 | kaplanfx | mrwill: I think it worked |
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| 21:48.40 | exalted | mrwill, but i don't have. what can i do now? =) |
| 21:48.40 | mrwill | directhex: that's the conclusion most evaluators reach, gcc is not an optimizing compiler. |
| 21:48.41 | FieldySnuts | rants are common here, just be sure to wrap them in tags such as <rant>omfg I hate $distro-maintainer</rant> |
| 21:48.48 | Azar | but I was curious what did I do wrong? am I using non-debian techniques of installing stuff? |
| 21:48.58 | chealer | Azar: yes |
| 21:49.02 | Azar | oh? |
| 21:49.02 | mrwill | exalted: I don't know. There is no way to find the problem without the log. |
| 21:49.11 | takatumi | directhex: you sure have time :) |
| 21:49.12 | directhex | exalted, /var/log/XFree86.0.log |
| 21:49.18 | nvz | directhex: I don't know enough to talk about optimization. But I know linux is being taken seriously and used in vast array of applications. and as always its all about doing this the most effecient way.. so wrong or not, its getting people's gears moving, and its giving people interested a place to start |
| 21:49.24 | directhex | takatumi, i'm paid for it. |
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| 21:49.27 | Azar | I thought all the way I was doing pure 100% debian stuff |
| 21:49.36 | exalted | directhex, no xfree86 thing under /var/log |
| 21:49.39 | Dabian | Has Joey retired or something? |
| 21:49.39 | takatumi | directhex: cool, enjoy. |
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| 21:49.47 | nvz | directhex: we can be thankful that place is not #debian ;) |
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| 21:49.50 | mrwill | FieldySnuts: actually, the rant needs to be well formed xml. |
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| 21:49.58 | kaplanfx | mrwill: yeah its working, stupid usb though im only getting about 20MB/s |
| 21:49.59 | chealer | Azar: didn't you get it already. use kernel-image if you don't need to compile, and install nvidia as said in debian-nvidia howto |
| 21:50.11 | kaplanfx | the drive is capable or over 50 sustained I think |
| 21:50.13 | mrwill | FieldySnuts: be sure to link to your dtd before beginning the rant. |
| 21:50.15 | directhex | Azar, yes, you're using non-debian ways of installing things, and recommending them to others, despitte problems caused by doing so, for people not as 1337 as you with sid |
| 21:50.19 | exalted | directhex, mrwill, let's do some search. |
| 21:50.27 | mrwill | kaplanfx: at least it works. |
| 21:50.30 | kaplanfx | yeah |
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| 21:50.37 | Azar | chealer, the debian-nvidia howto has some big issues like module-assistant is borking |
| 21:50.38 | kaplanfx | its plenty fast for media playback |
| 21:50.40 | mrwill | exalted: ok, I'm paying attention. |
| 21:50.41 | directhex | exalted, linux is CaSE sENsiTive |
| 21:50.44 | kaplanfx | which is what im going to be using it for |
| 21:50.48 | directhex | exalted, /var/log/XFree86.0.log |
| 21:50.55 | Azar | so with tools or examples that do not work I look on some third party experiences |
| 21:50.58 | exalted | directhex, ok. |
| 21:51.04 | chealer | Azar: that's a bug, not the problem of the howto. and it explains other ways |
| 21:51.15 | WillR | hey all.. im trying to do a mysql dump import... the export is fine but when i try to import i get this alogn with a serires of errors /*!40101 SET @OLD_CHARACTER_SET_CLIENT=@@CHARACTER_SET_CLIENT */; im gong from mysql3.23 to 4.1.8 |
| 21:51.17 | Azar | oh I see.. |
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| 21:51.27 | directhex | Azar, module assistant borks if you've used a custom kernel, especially one not installed with dpkgf |
| 21:51.38 | fuat | has anyone ogt QT and QMYSQL3 driver-plugin installed on his debian? |
| 21:51.43 | exalted | directhex, mrwill, what kind of information do you need in this file, all of it? |
| 21:51.46 | mrwill | WillR: try asking #mysql for best results. |
| 21:51.50 | Azar | ok I will go read dpkg stuff to see how that works |
| 21:51.51 | WillR | k |
| 21:51.54 | directhex | Azar, you non-use of debianpackages broke further debian packages. see the pattern? |
| 21:51.58 | Azar | I am willing to take it the other way as well |
| 21:52.03 | mrwill | exalted: should be on the last few lines, usually. |
| 21:52.10 | fuat | #mysql |
| 21:52.12 | Azar | oh I see... |
| 21:52.24 | mrwill | exalted: might even be the final line -- see what happened just before it failed. |
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| 21:53.01 | Azar | I did the apt-get install nvidia for example, but then I did not know where it was downloaded and what to do with it... |
| 21:53.16 | mrwill | exalted: you are looking for something that is marked as an error, says it could find something or do something. |
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| 21:53.18 | Azar | well I will certainly try that again |
| 21:53.19 | exalted | mrwill, directhex, please join #flood, thx. |
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| 21:53.39 | chealer | Azar: nvidia package doesn't exist, but the howto is there to explain you what to do with it |
| 21:53.54 | chealer | I mean the right packages |
| 21:54.13 | Azar | ok going to read it right now :) thanks |
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| 21:54.34 | The-Punisher | hola |
| 21:54.47 | quittt | for desktops which is the bestest? |
| 21:54.51 | The-Punisher | me gustaria si alguien sabe de algun programa para las temps |
| 21:54.59 | directhex | Azar, if you want to compile your own kernels again (not neccessary, not recommended), install kernel-package and read the docs |
| 21:55.05 | zinx | quittt: well, foo is better than bar. |
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| 21:55.23 | zinx | quittt: unless bar is giving out free beer |
| 21:55.34 | directhex | baz beats them both |
| 21:55.47 | takatumi | free chix0rs as well? |
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| 21:56.46 | quittt | is Sid better than Sarge? |
| 21:57.00 | drac | what a stupid question. |
| 21:57.00 | Kheldar^ | is red better than blue? |
| 21:57.07 | takatumi | quittt: quit it now. go read www.debian.org |
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| 21:57.34 | quittt | for desktops |
| 21:57.36 | directhex | !better |
| 21:57.36 | dpkg | i guess better is a matter of personal taste; asking "is foo better than bar?" is almost meaningless unless we know what *you* mean by "better". |
| 21:57.44 | ciga | I want to boot with not the default kernel in grub for this time. how should I do this? like lilo -R otherkernel... |
| 21:57.46 | tarzeau | quittt: is red or blue better for walls? |
| 21:57.52 | TbbW | never herd of "sid" :P personaly use Sarge and im happy with it :) |
| 21:57.57 | directhex | quittt, no, sid is prone to breaking, and not much more recent than sarge. use sarge. sarge sarge sarge. |
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| 21:58.03 | directhex | !d-i quittt |
| 21:58.04 | dpkg | quittt, you want to go to http://www.debian.org/devel/debian-installer/ - for your own good, and everyone else's. |
| 21:58.39 | TbbW | sid a testing version of debian? |
| 21:58.46 | ciga | no |
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| 21:58.49 | takatumi | TbbW: unstable |
| 21:59.04 | ciga | testing is sarge atm |
| 21:59.08 | tarzeau | TbbW: and that's only the name of it. read the sid faq |
| 21:59.12 | directhex | TbbW, sid is unstable, ir's where things are tested for going into testing. |
| 21:59.16 | tarzeau | dpkg sid faq |
| 21:59.16 | dpkg | [sid faq] http://wooledge.org/~greg/sidfaq.html |
| 21:59.27 | TbbW | takatumi: like sarge then :P same same diffrent name :P |
| 21:59.51 | directhex | TbbW, no, it's what si tested for inclusion in sarge. it's less stable than sarge |
| 22:00.03 | takatumi | TbbW: currently it could be close in terms of versions, once it goes stable, it won't be. |
| 22:00.11 | directhex | TbbW, much of the content in sid will never be in sarge. |
| 22:00.27 | TbbW | Debian 3.0 is code-named "woody". Sid was the kid who broke all the toys. <- LMFAO!! :D |
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| 22:00.51 | theJackal | lmfao |
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| 22:01.07 | TbbW | okey i get it :) |
| 22:01.34 | ciga | is there a way to boot up with different kernel as the default with grub? like lilo -R otherkernel? |
| 22:01.38 | nvz | TbbW: http://www.debian.org/doc/FAQ/ch-ftparchives.en.html#s-sid |
| 22:01.49 | takatumi | ciga: you get a dropdown menu |
| 22:01.49 | cg0def | is there a way to overwrite a dependancy in a package? |
| 22:01.55 | ciga | and I am not in front of that box. |
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| 22:02.19 | ciga | takatumi: I would say I see, but I'm not, cos I am doing it remotely. |
| 22:02.22 | cafuego | ciga: Just edit menu.lst and change the refault |
| 22:02.28 | takatumi | ciga: look at /boot/grub/menu.lst, you can specify defaults there. |
| 22:02.53 | ciga | cafuego: I know that, but if something goes wrong, someone will press reset and boot up with the default one. |
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| 22:03.08 | ciga | which is ok. |
| 22:03.10 | nvz | TbbW: the other codenames are right above there in that faq, but that link takes you to 5.4 which is about Sid |
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| 22:03.22 | cafuego | ciga: Nope |
| 22:03.37 | TbbW | haha nice :) allways wonderd where that woody name came from :) |
| 22:03.43 | ciga | it is not possible with grub? |
| 22:03.59 | cafuego | ciga: Well, the config file lists a default and an alternative... |
| 22:04.25 | ciga | and how do I boot up with the alternative? :) |
| 22:04.33 | ciga | just for one time only... |
| 22:04.36 | cafuego | The man page may know <heh> |
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| 22:04.50 | takatumi | ciga: to boot to your last good one, look at the savedefault option. |
| 22:04.52 | mirak | is there a way to put the r-s right for others on a folder ? |
| 22:04.53 | theJackal | oyu can use dpkg's --force parms to instrall things, and you can allways alien a package to a TGZ and unpack it manually. |
| 22:05.01 | ulisse | hi, channel |
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| 22:05.22 | mirak | I tried chmod o+s folder |
| 22:05.28 | mirak | but nothing happens |
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| 22:05.34 | ulisse | is there someone using an Asus L4800-L laptop? |
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| 22:05.43 | dondelelcaro | theJackal: using --force unless you know exactly what you're doing is never a good idea. |
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| 22:05.49 | sussudio | !irritate ulisse |
| 22:05.50 | dpkg | ulisse: is there ne1 who cn answer my n00b q? where cn I get w4arez 4 debina lol !!!! |
| 22:05.54 | streuner | ulisse: /msg dpkg laptop |
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| 22:06.47 | sussudio | dondelelcaro: is dpkg running sarge? |
| 22:06.57 | dondelelcaro | sussudio: partially |
| 22:07.02 | streuner | heh |
| 22:07.03 | dondelelcaro | that box is fucked, basically... |
| 22:07.16 | ciga | takatumi: so you mean I should not put savedefault for my first kernel? |
| 22:07.28 | streuner | why not just run woody? |
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| 22:07.36 | sussudio | dondelelcaro: can't figure out why some factoids don't work with my blootbot... i think it must be a perl thing. sarge has perl 5.8.4 and mysql "Ver 12.22" Distrib 4.0.23 |
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| 22:07.39 | exalted | On boot, i see "Starting X Desktop Manager: xxx" and then all freeze. What's the prob/solution? Thx. |
| 22:07.42 | fayt | i have a hd install of knoppix.. i was wondering how to make kde have the graphical login screen when it loads instead of logging in before kde starts.. it used to work but somethin happened and now i log in then startx.. any ideas? |
| 22:07.53 | sussudio | fayt: #knoppix |
| 22:08.02 | directhex | fayt, #knoppix |
| 22:08.12 | dondelelcaro | sussudio: yeah, that's the same thing that mine is running... |
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| 22:08.31 | dondelelcaro | sussudio: pull a tarball of the dpkg svn tree, and run a diff to see what has changed |
| 22:08.31 | digital_ | bn tout le monde :) |
| 22:08.36 | sussudio | dondelelcaro: is it complaining that it can't find DumpVars2.pl and botmail.pl, but they're not in your tarball either |
| 22:08.47 | emilios | what is the best internet security package for debian? |
| 22:08.47 | takatumi | ciga: if you remotely trying to boot a kernel, you should specify the default one. if you need to boot to the last one booted look at the savedefault will help. |
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| 22:09.01 | dondelelcaro | sussudio: hrm... that's really weird... it shouldn't need either of them |
| 22:09.07 | emilios | I mean to build the perfect firewall |
| 22:09.15 | streuner | emilios: unplug your box from i-net ? ;-) |
| 22:09.20 | emilios | :) |
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| 22:09.38 | emilios | streuenr : :) |
| 22:09.38 | cafuego | nvz: You'll NEVER find out how I cracked it. HAHAHA! |
| 22:09.38 | exalted | theJackal, but X was functioning before very well. |
| 22:09.41 | ravn | anyone has problems with ff swalowing gv? |
| 22:09.50 | tnks | hello everybody, I'm experiencing something that I can't figure out... does anybody know why /etc/resolv.conf keeps on getting rewritten everytime I bring an interface up? |
| 22:09.50 | theJackal | nuh., |
| 22:09.52 | nvz | cafuego: man, I should have known |
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| 22:10.08 | dvs | tnks: Sounds like dhclient |
| 22:10.10 | kaplanfx | tnks: using dhcp? |
| 22:10.19 | emilios | streuenr : how do I chcek for spyware in debian? |
| 22:10.26 | directhex | emilios, you don't have any. |
| 22:10.34 | surreal_ | LoL |
| 22:10.37 | theJackal | exalted: did you recompile your kernel and forget to reinstall the NVida driver package? |
| 22:10.40 | dondelelcaro | sussudio: http://rzlab.ucr.edu/cgi-bin/viewcvs.cgi/branches/dpkg_trunk/src/Modules/?root=Blootbot |
| 22:10.41 | streuner | emilios: on debian, no you haven't something like that |
| 22:10.47 | dondelelcaro | sussudio: they're both there... |
| 22:10.47 | nvz | emilios: dont got to worry about spyware much |
| 22:10.49 | t0ffel_ | I'm trying to install the ati drivers for X11 4.3.0. I've made the .deb, but it doesn't have a --force switch, and the package crashes with another package, so I have to use rpm --force. RPM, on the other hand, gives me another error, concerning Packages-index, db3 and /var/lib/rpm. how can I solve this? |
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| 22:10.53 | takatumi | ciga: regardless of whether you have savedefault or not, "default=x" is what specifies the default. to get savedefault going, you need default=saved |
| 22:11.01 | emilios | streuenr : but why is that? |
| 22:11.02 | exalted | theJackal, no nVidia, here and no i've didn't touched the kernel. |
| 22:11.05 | directhex | emilios, if you really worry, install chkrootkit |
| 22:11.14 | tnks | kaplanfx: yeah, I'm using dhcp. . . |
| 22:11.29 | emilios | directhex : ok I will give a try |
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| 22:11.35 | tnks | is there anyway to keep on using dhcp and also have some custom resolv.conf entries? |
| 22:11.37 | takatumi | ciga: what exactly are you trying to do? |
| 22:11.52 | nvz | emilios: there is chrootkit which will check for signs of your pc being owned |
| 22:12.05 | ciga | t0ffel_: dpkg --force-all fglrx-4-3-0_8.8.25-2_i386.deb |
| 22:12.15 | directhex | NO! FGLRX IS DOOM! |
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| 22:12.33 | directhex | sorry, it killed my office pc |
| 22:12.33 | jetscreamer | doom 1 or doom 3 |
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| 22:12.38 | t0ffel_ | directhex: but I need the opengl :P |
| 22:12.41 | t0ffel_ | thanks ciga |
| 22:12.53 | directhex | t0ffel_, so get an nvidia, don't DO it man! |
| 22:12.53 | takatumi | killed like? hardware? |
| 22:12.54 | neiljp-work | does anyone know Martin Albert (ma@d.o) ? |
| 22:13.00 | nvz | I think i am just gonna reboot.. heh |
| 22:13.04 | directhex | takatumi, dpkg |
| 22:13.08 | directhex | takatumi, and opengl |
| 22:13.09 | nvz | I dont know what else to try |
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| 22:13.20 | Bicchi | Who has the best linux distribution for AMD64 processor. Who is ahead in 64 bit computing? |
| 22:13.22 | ciga | takatumi: I want to have a default kernel, but now I want to boot up with my test one. if it is okay it will be the new default. but if something goes wrong someone will press reset, and the default one will boot up. |
| 22:13.22 | streuner | neiljp: people.debian.org |
| 22:13.32 | directhex | Bicchi, depends on what you want. |
| 22:13.45 | Bicchi | general computing. |
| 22:13.49 | takatumi | directhex: hmm, ok. did read a thread once on hardware problems with fglrx as well. |
| 22:13.51 | nvz | jetscreamer: my sidewinder doesnt work at all |
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| 22:14.05 | ciga | directhex: yes, and now you have an nvidia, which is better, yes? |
| 22:14.07 | jetscreamer | is that still, or again, or was that you before, nvz |
| 22:14.09 | nvz | jetscreamer: it was working, but the calibration of the dpad was a off, making me spin left in bzflag |
| 22:14.10 | directhex | takatumi, oh yeah, it hard-locks my machine too |
| 22:14.13 | jetscreamer | ah |
| 22:14.17 | directhex | ciga, office pc has ati, home has nvidia. |
| 22:14.19 | grendal_prime | anyone know how to trick a webserver into thinking mozilla-firefox is like ie6? |
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| 22:14.32 | directhex | grendal_prime, install ie6! |
| 22:14.36 | takatumi | directhex: not just hardlocks, it actually managed to mess the hardware up. |
| 22:14.43 | directhex | grendal_prime, or get the firesomething extension, change browser string |
| 22:14.48 | grendal_prime | crew that |
| 22:14.50 | directhex | takatumi, i'll believe it |
| 22:14.52 | nvz | jetscreamer: I ran jscalibrator and then couldnt move at all, so I unloaded sidewinder module and unplugged the js and then remove the ~/.joystick file jslaunch made..etc and tried starting over, now it doesnt work at all |
| 22:14.56 | theJackal | get the browser id changer extenision |
| 22:14.59 | ciga | directhex: I have xf4.3.0 + 8.8.25, and I have dual head with xv support. working fine. |
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| 22:15.01 | nvz | jetscreamer: all the while jslaunch says its fine |
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| 22:15.15 | zack | am i missing something? `aptitude --with-recommends upgrade` tells me: "The following packages are RECOMMENDED but will NOT be installed: ..." |
| 22:15.16 | neiljp-work | streuner: I know the details, and have emailed him, but not heard anything |
| 22:15.18 | nvz | jetscreamer: er jscalibrator |
| 22:15.28 | theJackal | "Firefox User Agent Switcher" |
| 22:15.28 | directhex | grendal_prime, http://apebox.net/imglibrary.php?section=three&browse=//Desktops&image=msie.png |
| 22:15.29 | misfitx7 | why am i getting the error that ifup cant read /etc/network/interfaces |
| 22:15.41 | neiljp-work | streuner: so thought it might be worth checking here if anyone might know why he's not around |
| 22:16.05 | nvz | jetscreamer: its still from the other day.. I just gave up and didnt ever get to play bzflag |
| 22:16.08 | takatumi | ciga: if you're gonna get a guy to reset it, the same guy can select another kernel as well. |
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| 22:16.28 | streuner | neiljp-work: most developers work hard every day... |
| 22:16.32 | nvz | jetscreamer: thinking about playing it again, but its saying no SDL joystick found in bzflag.. heh |
| 22:16.46 | emilios | is there a tool to check whether someone tries to get on my system? |
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| 22:16.58 | ciga | takatumi: thanks anyway. |
| 22:16.58 | robin_sz | emilios: yes. |
| 22:17.03 | misfitx7 | why am i getting the error that ifup cant read /etc/network/interfaces |
| 22:17.03 | nvz | emilios: /var/log/auth.log ;) |
| 22:17.06 | takatumi | emilios: /var/log/auth.log |
| 22:17.09 | nvz | heh |
| 22:17.12 | robin_sz | emilios: its called a 'sysadmin' |
| 22:17.18 | nvz | robin_sz: good one :) |
| 22:17.34 | neiljp-work | streuner: I didn't mean to imply they didn't...but this was a while back, and I was hoping that the new ggi might get in soon |
| 22:17.49 | emilios | ok I will see also |
| 22:17.58 | nvz | keep that up and you might get an honorary invitation to the smart ass club takatumi and I obviously belong to |
| 22:18.05 | emilios | I guess I need to have some books to read |
| 22:18.07 | robin_sz | try 'tripwire' also |
| 22:18.10 | streuner | neiljp-work: try devel ML, you might have more luck there |
| 22:18.44 | zack | 'logwatch' is a good one - it's not an IDS or anything, but it sums up logfiles nicely |
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| 22:19.58 | herbi | i was wondering if anyone could give me a hand understand bts? |
| 22:20.13 | herbi | i have a bug, and i see it in bts, but im not sure if its been resolved or not |
| 22:20.25 | herbi | is there a big "RESOLVED" stamp on the page im missing? http://bugs.debian.org/cgi-bin/bugreport.cgi?bug=252896 |
| 22:20.34 | jetscreamer | grendal_prime, you set the user agent string |
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| 22:21.11 | robin_sz | emilios: if you are really interested, just type $apt-cache search intrusion |
| 22:21.12 | streuner | jetscreamer: J E T S R E A M E R !!!!!!!!!!! |
| 22:21.33 | herbi | hmm possibly simonrvn will know. simonrvn, how do i know when a bug on BTS has been resolved? |
| 22:21.51 | zack | herbi: it's not closed |
| 22:21.59 | herbi | ah, so upgrading the package wont help? |
| 22:22.01 | zack | herbi: look at http://bugs.debian.org/cgi-bin/pkgreport.cgi?pkg=fam |
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| 22:22.16 | zack | the bug is under "Normal bugs - outstanding (9 bugs)" |
| 22:22.26 | emilios | robin_sz : ok thanks |
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| 22:22.36 | herbi | zack ah thanks. |
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| 22:22.59 | herbi | 115 days old :( |
| 22:23.19 | zack | herbi: you might want to try replacing fam with gamin if you're running unstable |
| 22:23.40 | herbi | im not, i just recieved a trouble ticket from one of the phd students on it |
| 22:23.49 | herbi | i believe he is running testing |
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| 22:24.11 | nvz | well I got the damn sidewinder being recognised again, and all 10 buttons work in bzflag, but I still get no movement. I have no idea how running jslaunch broke my js, I thought it just wrote this ~/.joystick file, and removing that doesnt fix it |
| 22:24.25 | herbi | zack, i think therein lies my problem. i fixed up the defunct trouble ticket system and already people are using it. :P |
| 22:25.26 | takatumi | nvz: this is probably a sign from the almighty to quit bzflag |
| 22:25.35 | nvz | takatumi: bah |
| 22:26.05 | herbi | anyway, thanks. im off |
| 22:26.14 | grendal_prime | jetscreamer, where would i do that at exactly |
| 22:26.15 | grendal_prime | ? |
| 22:26.22 | nvz | takatumi: and you might be going to hell for that. |
| 22:26.56 | nvz | sins against the bzflag 2.0 team |
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| 22:27.32 | quittt | amsn crashes too much |
| 22:27.48 | takatumi | quittt: gaim won't do? |
| 22:28.12 | streuner | grendal_prime: why do you want ruin your image? :-P |
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| 22:30.08 | orchid | nvz: you installed a package or built bzflag from source? |
| 22:30.09 | streuner | grendal_prime: there is a reason why you think you need that nonsense? |
| 22:30.54 | nvz | orchid: I installed the package from sid. I am sure I dont have bzflag problems, as it was working before I installed and ran jslaunch |
| 22:31.01 | Eagle101 | Help. Everytime i try to play something, the sound keeps skipping...please help ????? |
| 22:31.07 | nvz | orchid: er jscalibrator |
| 22:31.34 | orchid | nvz: you *shouldnt* need jslaunch, the driver works with out it |
| 22:31.38 | orchid | ahh |
| 22:32.16 | nvz | orchid: the tank was moving to the right, and was reluctant to go forward, so I installed jscalibrator which said it could calibrate for games |
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| 22:32.44 | nvz | orchid: it seems to create a file ~/.joystick, but even removing that file doesnt help.. all 10 keys work, but no movement |
| 22:33.01 | grendal_prime | streetcleaner, turbotaxonline |
| 22:33.07 | nvz | orchid: the responsiveness of the dpad is ideal in jscalibrator |
| 22:33.21 | nvz | orchid: doesnt respond at all in bzflag anymore |
| 22:33.33 | grendal_prime | it sumwhatworks in konquror...but...well seems to get stuck on some things |
| 22:33.43 | orchid | nvz: gameport or usb js? |
| 22:34.07 | nvz | I don't understand how its even possible. cause jslaunch afaict has no files it created and no processes running, so htf could it have messed up my js |
| 22:34.24 | nvz | orchid: its like the original sidewinder usb |
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| 22:35.16 | streuner | grendal_prime: email the sysadmin of the website |
| 22:35.16 | orchid | nvz: and you have SDL libs installed? |
| 22:35.39 | grendal_prime | intuit?? that may take some time |
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| 22:36.28 | penta | I have server with software raid |
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| 22:36.41 | penta | ist here anyway i can disable the software raid ??? |
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| 22:36.50 | nvz | orchid: yeah when I put the sid uri in my sources list and apt-get -t sid install bzflag, it fetched bzflag 2.0 and a few SDL libs. it detects the js and all 10 buttons work. just after I installed jscalibrator and ran it to improve the movement of the dpad, it doesnt move at all anymore inside bzflag. jscalibrator shows the movement was corrected as I can move the indicator in there much better now |
| 22:36.54 | misfitx7 | why am i getting the error that ifup cant read /etc/network/interfaces |
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| 22:37.21 | grendal_prime | quite honestly i doubt it would do any good |
| 22:37.35 | cheale1 | misfitx7: do you have that file? |
| 22:37.41 | misfitx7 | yes |
| 22:37.50 | cheale1 | are the permission ok? |
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| 22:37.56 | misfitx7 | yeah |
| 22:38.01 | grendal_prime | its intuit there not "In 2 it" if ya know what i mean |
| 22:38.05 | cheale1 | I have no idea |
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| 22:38.33 | nz | hey, how can i temporarly diable audio services? |
| 22:38.56 | misfitx7 | unplug your speakers |
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| 22:39.13 | caphuso | ok... this is asking for pain |
| 22:39.18 | caphuso | nz: why? |
| 22:39.33 | nvz | I don't understand what jscalibrator does, but I know when I ran it my digital pad was slightly to the right and did not move up very easily, now jscalibrator shows it working properly, and it no longer works in bzflag other than the 10 triggers. |
| 22:39.51 | nz | caphuso, i'm trying to use the smartlink modem driver and it freezes my machine when i use it |
| 22:39.57 | orchid | nvz: im just checking something.. I'm not sure, but ive seen this before |
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| 22:40.42 | nvz | I don't see how a program that is not running, that I ran as my user, and even deleted the configs it created in my home dir the only place it could have changed anything.. has or is stopping the js from working when it had worked before I installed jscalibrator |
| 22:40.56 | orchid | try a temp user? |
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| 22:40.59 | nz | caphuso, so i need to disable the audio system while i use the modem, and then enable it again when i finish using it |
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| 22:41.19 | orchid | nvz: just to make sure ist a config thing, but it sounds like its not |
| 22:41.26 | nvz | orchid: yeah I could try running bzflag as someone else. I will try that right now. |
| 22:41.35 | caphuso | nz: you need to unload the sound related modules |
| 22:42.36 | nz | caphuso, is there any other way ? |
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| 22:43.06 | nz | anyone using the smarlink modem drivers here have a soultion to the freezing problem when using sound? |
| 22:43.13 | caphuso | nz: well, you could build a kernel without sound support and reboot... |
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| 22:43.21 | cafuego | nz: I think maybe a real modem would be a good idea |
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| 22:43.49 | takatumi | unless it's a laptop. |
| 22:43.50 | nz | cafuego, yeah! but its built into my laptop |
| 22:44.12 | cafuego | takatumi: My alptop works just fine with my pcmcia modem cards |
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| 22:44.15 | caphuso | nz: that doesn't mean you have to use that piece of shit |
| 22:44.19 | takatumi | nz: yeah, that sucks. which driver are you running? |
| 22:44.37 | daft_ | nz: maby they are using the same irq |
| 22:44.41 | Gr0wLiThE | when i want to install debian 3.0r4 on my 486pc witch cds do i need? |
| 22:44.48 | takatumi | cafuego: how expensive are these pcmcia ones? |
| 22:44.57 | nz | takatumi, smartlink driver from their website |
| 22:45.08 | cafuego | takatumi: Not that expensive these days, I would hazard. |
| 22:45.11 | streuner | Gr0wLiThE: /msg dpkg netinstall |
| 22:45.23 | cafuego | takatumi: i just collected them from people that wanted to discard 'em |
| 22:45.34 | nz | daft_, i dont think i can change the irq, not may options in the dell bios |
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| 22:45.43 | takatumi | nz: the driver from linuxant.com worked for me, but it's not free. |
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| 22:46.12 | daft_ | nz: isnt there a option in the kernel to use mutiple dev with one irq? |
| 22:46.15 | takatumi | nz: mine is a conexant chipset one. |
| 22:46.18 | theJackal | heeheh.. um.. you can make it "free" |
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| 22:46.26 | streuner | Gr0wLiThE: good luck btw, how much RAM do you have? |
| 22:46.43 | Gr0wLiThE | about 16 mb or something |
| 22:46.44 | cafuego | Well, maybe ~ $100 - $120 |
| 22:46.50 | nz | daft_, i'm not sure |
| 22:47.05 | Gr0wLiThE | but which cds do i need actually, im a bit a linux and irc noob |
| 22:47.09 | daft_ | I gessed i saw it one time |
| 22:47.39 | daft_ | but external com modems > * |
| 22:47.53 | Gr0wLiThE | someone told me i had to download cds from the ftp but which ones because there are about 7 cds |
| 22:47.54 | daft_ | faster less cpu load |
| 22:47.59 | nvz | orchid: well I tried it with caitlynn's user, and I discovered another problem I had to figure out.. her user account has been acting up, I found out I had chown her homedir to my user :P but the bzflag on her user detects the js, and all 10 buttons work, but no movement |
| 22:48.01 | streuner | Gr0wLiThE: use X-Chat, www.xchat.org |
| 22:48.05 | directhex | Gr0wLiThE, cd1. |
| 22:48.12 | takatumi | cafuego: I didn't know about these modems until I was halfway through the install, and decided to start with a clean disk. imagine my plight without the internet. |
| 22:48.18 | Gr0wLiThE | only cd1 is enough? |
| 22:48.25 | directhex | Gr0wLiThE, yes. |
| 22:48.26 | nz | my modem is a pctel one |
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| 22:48.41 | Gr0wLiThE | thanks, i will tell here when my pc is running :D |
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| 22:48.54 | orchid | nvz: I dont have time now, you around tommorw? or later today? |
| 22:48.57 | takatumi | nz: try their mailing lists, or buy a better modem. |
| 22:48.58 | streuner | what a moron |
| 22:49.00 | StiFler | where can I get some help on using dpkg-deb? |
| 22:49.03 | nvz | orchid: the /dev/input/js0 was root root ownership on my system not allowing my normal users to use it for games, I had chgrp audio that file to allow anyone who has access to the audio to also access the js |
| 22:49.07 | quittt | SHINE |
| 22:49.10 | quittt | on you |
| 22:49.11 | nvz | orchid: I am always around |
| 22:49.23 | cafuego | !pfsmite quittt |
| 22:49.55 | Seb | can anyone recommend a PCMCIA serial adapter that works well under linux ? |
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| 22:50.16 | streuner | Seb: use usenet |
| 22:50.22 | cafuego | Seb: is that for a laptop with USB? |
| 22:50.30 | daft_ | seb: look it up in the kernel |
| 22:50.39 | vladster | could someone clear up an issue I am having trying to get sarge installed correctly, is there a stable way of doing it without the inconsistencies I am running into with the arge installer? |
| 22:50.46 | vladster | *sarge |
| 22:50.57 | zinx | vladster: what inconsistencies? |
| 22:50.59 | Seb | cafuego: it's for a laptop indeed, which doesn't have a serial port. Do you think a USB-to-serial adapter would be better than a PCMCIA-to-serial ? |
| 22:50.59 | orchid | nvz: in the input menu, browse js items do you see any js names or axis? |
| 22:51.15 | orchid | nvz: but I gtg .. |
| 22:51.25 | nvz | alright, later |
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| 22:51.30 | cafuego | Seb: Yeh. Cheaper, easier... |
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| 22:51.44 | vladster | sometimes it sees the hardware and sometimes it does no. Sometime the server will work and sometimes it will noty |
| 22:51.45 | cafuego | Seb: And with a usb hub you can have up to 255 serial ports ;-) |
| 22:51.45 | Seb | cafuego: oh cool |
| 22:51.50 | Seb | heheh |
| 22:51.58 | zinx | vladster: sounds like your system is broken... |
| 22:52.15 | daft_ | cafuego, and ps2 mouse and keyboard are better than usb |
| 22:52.17 | vladster | it is also an old Soyo BX mobo with a PII 400 |
| 22:52.36 | vladster | That is what I suspect |
| 22:52.37 | Seb | cafuego: so where would I find a list of linux-supported usb-to-serial adapters ? |
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| 22:52.59 | cafuego | Seb: In the kernel source. If you have one, go Device drivers -> USB -> Serial converters |
| 22:53.19 | cafuego | Seb: http://misc.nu/hugh/keyspan.html |
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| 22:53.24 | daft_ | Seb, most of them have the same usb id |
| 22:53.36 | vladster | It is an old slot 1 mobo |
| 22:53.39 | Seb | cafuego: /usr/src/kernel-source-2.6.10/Documentation/usb/usb-serial.txt seems to have some info |
| 22:53.43 | Seb | cafuego: oh ok, cool |
| 22:53.46 | Seb | daft_: thx for the tip |
| 22:54.00 | cafuego | The keyspans need firmware, but that firmware *is* avilable, they jhelped write the drivers. |
| 22:54.27 | vladster | so I should prabably try and find a mobo that is not ten years old |
| 22:55.19 | Seb | heh |
| 22:55.23 | nvz | yeah short of --purge jscalibrator and reboot I have no clue |
| 22:55.38 | nvz | I dont know how its even fucked this up to begin with |
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| 22:56.05 | vladster | has anyone tried a sempron for a server? |
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| 22:56.13 | Seb | cafuego: hrm, for what device does it not work ? |
| 22:56.15 | jaybuffet | so i'm getting a lot of init: cannot execute "/sbin/mgetty".. how do i stop this.. |
| 22:56.26 | jaybuffet | i'm pretty sure i uninstalled mgetty |
| 22:56.53 | harryvv | Dmesg does not show all file/device status output as whats scrolls across the screen during a boot. Is there a way to show everything? |
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| 22:57.03 | cafuego | Seb: A proprietary hardware multiplexer that drives 12 AT keyboards to work with proprietary software. |
| 22:57.17 | caphuso | harryvv: try /var/log/boot |
| 22:57.18 | takatumi | harryvv: look at /etc/default/bootlogd |
| 22:57.18 | Seb | harryvv: what are you looking for precisely ? |
| 22:57.24 | harryvv | okay |
| 22:57.37 | nvz | 12 AT Keyboards.. mmm.. you're turning me on |
| 22:57.41 | cafuego | Seb: So you need not worry about ever having to use one of those. |
| 22:57.46 | harryvv | seb, something about persmissions not executing pid for asterisk |
| 22:57.58 | cafuego | nvz: laptop sized low-power $120 a pop AT keyboards |
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| 22:58.34 | nvz | eww, do you also have a glove with little rods sticking out the tips of the fingers to press the little keys? |
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| 22:59.33 | harryvv | no /var/log/boot /etc/default/bootlogd has only one line in it |
| 22:59.39 | cafuego | And unless they do that, I can't charge the daily fee for system hire. |
| 22:59.50 | nvz | well I probably run mine on about 2-3 meters long cords |
| 22:59.55 | harryvv | looks like its disabled |
| 23:00.09 | nvz | I also bought a bunch of AT Coil Extensions with those keyboards |
| 23:00.09 | cafuego | nvz: Thta's still *one* keyboard. They eat power. Lots. |
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| 23:01.29 | nvz | cafuego: I bought em cause they dont make modern keyboards like thse things. I like em both to use for regular keyboards, as well as to solder other input devices to their contacts and use em for a generic input controller.. heh you cannot do that with those plastic flex-circuit keyboards |
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| 23:02.23 | cafuego | nvz: http://www.anyzing.com/portablekits.html |
| 23:02.37 | g4rvald | <PROTECTED> |
| 23:02.55 | g4rvald | i'm logged in remotely and cant reboot |
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| 23:03.32 | cafuego | g4rvald: 'apt-get clean' |
| 23:03.35 | takatumi | harryvv: what is that line in /etc/default/bootlogd? |
| 23:03.50 | g4rvald | cafuego: what does it do ? |
| 23:03.59 | nvz | cafuego: please tell me they got some better pictures than that.. I open up mozilla firefox to see wires in a case? |
| 23:04.05 | cafuego | g4rvald: it deletes the local cache of all downloaded d.ebs |
| 23:04.10 | cafuego | nvz: :-) |
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| 23:04.23 | nvz | cafuego: I cannot even see the keyboard |
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| 23:05.41 | cafuego | nvz: http://www.pumble.org/morezing/ |
| 23:05.54 | nvz | cafuego: oh I guess them wire looking things are the keyboars.. it says they are roll up keyboards |
| 23:06.06 | cafuego | nvz: http://www.pumble.org/zing_imgs/gp@hansons2.jpg |
| 23:06.28 | nvz | aww a kitten :) |
| 23:06.38 | cafuego | nvz: no, no.. I have the 'Conference Kit' with mini Cherry kbds, not the roll-up ones. |
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| 23:06.57 | directhex | cafuego, do the mini ones have tux keys? |
| 23:07.05 | cafuego | directhex: Nope |
| 23:07.13 | directhex | cafuego, a bit sucky then :/ |
| 23:07.27 | nvz | who has a conference with 12 keyboards? |
| 23:07.37 | nvz | you could use one camera or microphone |
| 23:07.43 | nvz | what are these, IRC conferences? |
| 23:07.52 | cafuego | directhex: Why would they need those? The only ones that work for participants are alphanum, interpunction, arrows, F8/F9 and shift |
| 23:08.09 | cafuego | nvz: Strategic boardroom meetings |
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| 23:08.57 | nvz | I dont really understand what 12 different people would do controlling the same screen |
| 23:08.59 | cafuego | The software allows you to stick to an agenda and store the logs in a *useful* format (as well as voting/sorting of ideas) so it's a bit more advanced than irc or netmeeting. |
| 23:09.04 | borsodi | i think debian is like wholemeal bread... very satisfying. |
| 23:09.14 | cafuego | nvz: They don't control the screen. They only enter data. |
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| 23:10.20 | takatumi | you give the Strategic board members only get to use alphanum, interpunction, arrows, F8/F9 and shift? |
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| 23:10.34 | takatumi | s/you give// |
| 23:10.45 | idnar | interpunction? |
| 23:11.08 | takatumi | idnar: I didn't say that originally. |
| 23:11.24 | idnar | yes, my question was directed more at caphuso |
| 23:11.36 | caphuso | i didn't say it either |
| 23:11.38 | takatumi | idnar: why him? |
| 23:11.54 | idnar | takatumi: because I can't tab-complete properly |
| 23:11.56 | cafuego | takatumi: Yeah, and even 8that* is more typing that most usually do. |
| 23:12.06 | takatumi | cafuego: :) |
| 23:12.33 | cafuego | http://www.cc.com.au/images/zing/facetoface.gif |
| 23:12.39 | cafuego | There's what the SW looks like |
| 23:12.58 | nvz | cafuego: looks like those kits run on wintendo :P |
| 23:13.30 | cafuego | nvz: They do. Though the latest version is Java and runs on Linux/MacOS too. |
| 23:14.20 | cafuego | nvz: .. THAT runs as client/server, but you can add 12 keyboards to any client and then remotely hook up up to 8x12 keboards and run massive sessions. |
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| 23:15.52 | nvz | cafuego: its an interesting concept. you can all contribute ideas at your own pace without interrupting someone |
| 23:15.52 | gturner | how do you remove packages in a custom repository created using mini-dinstall? |
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| 23:15.58 | cafuego | The newer protocol should have somewhat less overhead then the old, so we SHOULD be able to WiFi a large room. |
| 23:16.04 | takatumi | cafuego: if you need yet another con against cloning, use this. http://news.nationalgeographic.com/news/2005/01/0125_050125_chimeras.html |
| 23:16.27 | cafuego | nvz: *nod* Once they're submitted to the 'team space' they're no longer marked as anyone's idea though, so they become communal property. |
| 23:16.39 | gturner | anyone familiar with mini-dinstall? |
| 23:17.10 | daft_ | cafuego, if you have a dect phone everything still is hopeless |
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| 23:17.21 | cafuego | nvz: it seems odd to use it for meetings, but once people are used to the idea (normally 15 or so mins) it's HIGHLY efficient. |
| 23:17.47 | cafuego | ANd hey, it pays the rent <heh> |
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| 23:19.32 | Kerr | Sidenet wine config simply won't work for me, even with the latest deb from winehq. when building the rgistry it freezes, and the log is empty. Any ideas? |
| 23:19.50 | directhex | Kerr, s' fine for me. |
| 23:19.51 | cafuego | ... and gets me free trips to Brazil :-) |
| 23:20.08 | takatumi | cafuego: buns, buns.... |
| 23:20.23 | nvz | cafuego: yeah well it seems silly all sitting in the same room using an irc-like communication. But it does allow everyone to contribute their points as they come to them. With of course only one machine instead of many.. so its cost-effective |
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| 23:21.05 | julio | A quick question on ALSA in Sarge. I've successfully compiled the newest drivers and utils. But after having *successfully* runned 'alsaconf,' alsamixer still has errors. |
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| 23:21.19 | cafuego | nvz: Yep. The best thing is you don't get two board members just mouthing off at eachother about some irrelevant issue for an hour. They enter their point of view, the group votes, end of story. |
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| 23:21.43 | directhex | julio, lsmod | grep soundcore into #flood |
| 23:21.53 | nvz | cafuego: heh, yeah thats sweet |
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| 23:22.07 | nvz | cafuego: bringing the tatics of open projects to business :) |
| 23:22.30 | cafuego | nvz: Indeed. We call it 'Open Source Consulting' |
| 23:22.37 | julio | #flood soundcore 4420 3 [snd bttv btaudio] |
| 23:22.47 | julio | crap, i did that wrong. |
| 23:22.49 | julio | sorry. |
| 23:23.26 | directhex | hm. dunno what's wrong then. |
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| 23:23.42 | julio | let me show you the error in flood. |
| 23:24.20 | julio | and i modprobed the module too. |
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| 23:26.21 | julio | so, no ideas on me problem? |
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| 23:29.23 | simonrvn | !fix dvd |
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| 23:31.18 | simonrvn | where? |
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| 23:31.42 | simonrvn | and do you mean root logins? |
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| 23:32.08 | ApTek | ls |
| 23:32.43 | zhrek | Hi! I wonder why debian uses BSD's nvi ? |
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| 23:32.55 | caphuso | zhrek: why not? |
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| 23:33.38 | caphuso | there's no other decent and small vi implementation |
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| 23:33.55 | nvz | yeah thats the kind of stuff I like to see.. I am gonna let that idea swirl around in my head awhile |
| 23:33.55 | nvz | dpkg, test |
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| 23:33.55 | dpkg | Yes, nvz, you're still online. |
| 23:33.55 | itom | a very shining user can explain me how works exim4 for adding new user? |
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| 23:34.07 | caphuso | itom: adduser |
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| 23:34.16 | PotajiTo | how do i set my qt directory so the configure find it? |
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| 23:34.34 | rellik | I put a 'while 1; do sleep 5m; <reset screensaver idle timer>; done' in a script, to use while watching videos... and I ran the script (in cron, I think)... now every 5 minutes I see "idle timer reset".. how do I kill the script? :( the script is called "monpersistant" but 'ps -A | grep monp' shows nothing... I can 'ps -A | grep sleep' and kill the 5m timer, but that won't break out of the while loop, so the script just continues on... :( |
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| 23:35.20 | zhrek | caphuso: gvim is the leader in VI. |
| 23:35.27 | bbrazil | rellik: try ps aux |
| 23:35.29 | caphuso | zhrek: gvim?!? |
| 23:35.39 | caphuso | zhrek: that's completely unsuitable for a base installation |
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| 23:35.52 | zhrek | caphuso: yeah, why not, it has a console-vi too |
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| 23:36.00 | caphuso | zhrek: still not small enough |
| 23:36.13 | PerfDave | !wayttd PotajiTo |
| 23:36.14 | dpkg | What Are You Trying To Do, PotajiTo? |
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| 23:36.50 | r3m | Hi i would like to install eggdrop from source none from apt, but when i ./configure it that tell me to got tcl so i do an apt-get install tcl8.4, retrying with the same error.. |
| 23:36.54 | rellik | bbrazil, ahhh, that got it, thanks... I was running the script as my alarm clock, and 'ps aux' shows "bash -c /usr/local/bin/wakeup" :) |
| 23:37.01 | PotajiTo | compiling kde 3.4, it doesn't find qt headers |
| 23:37.01 | PotajiTo | and them are installed |
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| 23:37.29 | bbrazil | rellik: add ww to that, otherwise output could be cropped before it hits the pipe |
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| 23:37.41 | caphuso | vim and vim-common require about 15MiB of diskspace, vs. 0.5 for nvi |
| 23:37.57 | caphuso | do the math yourself |
| 23:38.15 | rellik | bbrazil, ps auxww ??? |
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| 23:38.30 | zhrek | caphuso: nvi is 300K |
| 23:38.30 | bbrazil | rellik: yip |
| 23:38.30 | zhrek | caphuso: and I want to switch to a newer vi, a leading vi so to speak. |
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| 23:38.31 | bbrazil | rellik: or just use pgrep |
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| 23:38.41 | caphuso | zhrek: and what keeps you from installing vim and get over it? |
| 23:38.47 | simonrvn | zhrek: WTF does "leading vi" mean ? |
| 23:38.58 | simonrvn | ffs... |
| 23:39.05 | rellik | bbrazil, great thanks |
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| 23:40.21 | infodroid | who here heard of yzis? |
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| 23:40.25 | fuat | has anyone got this file installed? /usr/lib/qt3/plugins/sqldrivers/libqsqlmysql.so ? |
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| 23:40.26 | zhrek | caphuso: cant you strip down the gvim source then ? |
| 23:40.26 | simonrvn | sounds like marketroid-speak.... |
| 23:40.33 | caphuso | zhrek: you'd get nvi... |
| 23:40.41 | caphuso | zhrek: which would be, uhm, bullshit |
| 23:40.43 | infodroid | zhrek - i think yzis is the new vim |
| 23:40.47 | thegraham | I'm having some difficulty setting up multiple displays from my laptops dual headed graphics card. I have followed a the tutorial at http://www.linuxdig.com/howto/ldp/Xinerama-HOWTO.php, but I just have two identical desktops on both monitors. Also does anyone know when x.org will be introduced to debian? |
| 23:40.49 | zhrek | simonrvn: gvim is never than nvi. |
| 23:40.59 | simonrvn | zhrek: it's already stripped. and wth would you install vim and deps when you have alternates that fucking work |
| 23:41.04 | simonrvn | zhrek: oh ffs |
| 23:41.10 | caphuso | zhrek: you're clueless |
| 23:41.15 | Xenguy | zhrek: are you trolling, or what? |
| 23:41.18 | caphuso | and very much so |
| 23:41.29 | simonrvn | zhrek: so you install it, and stop whining |
| 23:42.03 | zhrek | OK, straight down, my point is: I got the NVI syntax down my spinal cord, I can't change to gvim because of that. I get confused by the new keystroke syntax. |
| 23:42.06 | simonrvn | i can understand laziness, but to the point of stupidity, that's just nuts |
| 23:42.15 | zhrek | Im not here to offend |
| 23:42.16 | caphuso | oh damnit |
| 23:42.21 | caphuso | zhrek: but you are |
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| 23:43.10 | zhrek | the only joy is that NVI is compatible with solaris. |
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| 23:43.30 | nvz | well I think the only problem on that machine tuned out to be that I didnt realize that a chmod -R could travel backwards though ../ |
| 23:43.34 | zeeble | whoa .. need to get 64MB of archives |
| 23:43.36 | Xenguy | zhrek: since nvi functionality is a subset of vim, I'm not sure what the problem is -- install (g)vim and get happy :-) |
| 23:43.37 | infodroid | zenclavier: extreme keyboard <http://www.oreillynet.com/pub/a/oreilly/news/zenclavier_1299.html> |
| 23:43.37 | bluefox83 | how do i change the group permissions of a directory? |
| 23:43.43 | infodroid | is why i use vim |
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| 23:43.50 | caphuso | bluefox83: man chgrp, man chmod |
| 23:44.02 | Xenguy | nvz: hehe |
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| 23:45.03 | nvz | actually it was chown |
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| 23:45.27 | bluefox83 | ok, that changed group..how do i also change owner? |
| 23:45.39 | zhrek | Xenguy: it behaves different. |
| 23:45.42 | simonrvn | you said group perms |
| 23:45.53 | simonrvn | nm |
| 23:46.03 | bluefox83 | yeah, and now i need owner |
| 23:46.07 | hail04 | how do I chmod a folder and all its files properly....ive never managed to get it right so far :S |
| 23:46.21 | Xenguy | zhrek: yes, it gives you more (excellent) functionality. But if you want, you can make it behave just like vi |
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| 23:47.07 | zhrek | xenguy: checking the retro box in prefereces ? |
| 23:47.53 | nvz | it turns out I should have 'chown -R nvz /home/nvz/' cause whatever I typed went backwards through ../ and took over all the other home dirs |
| 23:48.10 | Xenguy | zhrek: in ~/.vimrc, add this -> set compatible |
| 23:48.16 | Xenguy | zhrek: is one way |
| 23:48.19 | caphuso | nvz: you used "chown nvz /home/nvz/*"? |
| 23:48.31 | caphuso | err, .../.* |
| 23:48.38 | nvz | caphuso: probably something like /.* |
| 23:48.53 | simonrvn | perfect way to shoot yourself in the foot |
| 23:48.57 | nvz | yeah |
| 23:49.02 | nvz | I see that now |
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| 23:49.09 | nvz | I broke a few user accounts |
| 23:49.10 | zhrek | xenguy: OK, then I was wrong, I thought VIM had the correct style by default, and nvi was retro/wrong. |
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| 23:49.41 | simonrvn | it isn't wrong, just different |
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| 23:49.52 | nvz | even after running a script to do chown -R $who /home/$who, some things are still broken |
| 23:49.52 | nimbb | how can I indicate that my dvd-rw is not a read-only device or that it does |
| 23:49.52 | nimbb | <PROTECTED> |
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| 23:50.35 | docgnome | What packages to i need to get my dial-up modem to work? |
| 23:50.36 | hail04 | hmm |
| 23:50.40 | Xenguy | zhrek: it might help if you provided a specific example of any issues you are having -- otherwise it is all kind of vague |
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| 23:51.15 | nvz | I can get the users sessions to login now, but the panels and such seem to be having problems still |
| 23:51.34 | caphuso | i think the whole problem starts with zhrek not having the slightest clue about the actual problem |
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| 23:52.53 | bluefox83 | how do i update my clamav "engine"? |
| 23:53.31 | bluefox83 | i got a warning that says my clamav engine is outdated and to update it immediately |
| 23:53.33 | zetho | anyone compiled fe3d under sarge ??? |
| 23:53.58 | simonrvn | bluefox83: freshclam |
| 23:54.08 | bluefox83 | ? |
| 23:54.27 | hail04 | how do I chmod a folder and all its files properly....ive never managed to get it right so far :S |
| 23:54.49 | simonrvn | hail04: info chmod |
| 23:54.55 | infodroid | hail04: chmod -R <folder> |
| 23:54.59 | nvz | hail04: chmod -R $who /directory |
| 23:55.02 | zetho | hail04, what is folder :D ? |
| 23:55.04 | docgnome | I'm using a dial-up connection, and was wondering where i should start to configure it in sarge. |
| 23:55.07 | nvz | infodroid: don't encourage him |
| 23:55.07 | hail04 | aha |
| 23:55.17 | infodroid | lol |
| 23:55.21 | nvz | infodroid: heh. |
| 23:55.23 | bluefox83 | how do i check what version of a package is in apt? |
| 23:55.29 | nvz | dpkg, folder? |
| 23:55.29 | dpkg | i heard folder is a directory damn it! or near My Computer and Network Neighborhood, or the things you put in a filing cabinet |
| 23:55.32 | caphuso | bluefox83: apt-cache show |
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| 23:55.48 | infodroid | apt-show-versions -a |
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| 23:56.03 | infodroid | the long way |
| 23:56.22 | hail04 | I ask because I know others can point me to info or assist...I have basic knowledge of the general use/compiling/running of things on debian and the os in general. |
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| 23:56.25 | hail04 | =) |
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| 23:57.15 | bluefox83 | crap, testing doesn't have the latest clamav installation files >.> |
| 23:57.19 | nvz | hail04: no you have the basic knowlage of installing and using windows |
| 23:57.25 | nvz | hail04: thats why you called it a folder |
| 23:57.31 | simonrvn | bluefox83: clamav-freshclam |
| 23:57.43 | infodroid | hail04: what's the problem now? |
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| 23:57.53 | bluefox83 | simonrvn, that did not update everything, it still gives me the error |
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| 23:57.59 | nvz | infodroid: I thought we answered it *shrug* |
| 23:58.00 | hail04 | I used windows to start with doesnt mean I cant use linux if thats what your trying to get at nvz |
| 23:58.13 | hail04 | in which I would call you a smart arse for doing so |
| 23:58.14 | nvz | hail04: nope, I too was a windows refugee |
| 23:58.15 | hail04 | good day |
| 23:58.19 | emilios | I was trying to make mynvidia driver work by download older nvidia driver. Even now I have older nvidia driver to support my card it keeps give me an error tha nvidia modules are newst version . any suggestions |
| 23:58.41 | djace | nothing borked in sid atm? |
| 23:58.49 | infodroid | if you can't stand the heat |
| 23:59.13 | nvz | unique chooses strange quit messages |
| 23:59.22 | niclas5 | i cannot open certain files on a fat drive because their names cannot be converted to UTF-8. i have support for the required codepages compiled into my kernel. i just need to know how to tell the system to USE the right codepage to display filenames from the fat drive correctly. any hints? |
| 23:59.34 | nvz | infodroid: or the smoke.. |
| 23:59.51 | caphuso | niclas5: with the iocharset mount option, i think |
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