| 00:00.10 | apokryphos | thanks; see ya |
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| 00:00.16 | slash2 | a word of advice for troubleshooting random kde lockups - make sure the loopback interface has 127.0.0.1 mapped to it. it appears the sarge beta installer doesn't write /etc/network/interfaces correctly, and the loopback doesn't get initialized. |
| 00:00.51 | fusibou | uGexe so lsmod shows fglrx |
| 00:00.57 | uGexe | i also dont know about using agpgart since this is a pci-express card |
| 00:01.15 | Glitch | delire: It won't read properly. I need to clean everything. I can't work with what already exists on the player. |
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| 00:01.58 | dondelelcaro | slash2: eh? there's no known bug about that at all |
| 00:02.01 | Glitch | delire: Oh.. well that might be it, actually. I ls'd it, and it lists the directories and stuff properly. |
| 00:02.02 | uGexe | fusibou: fglrx is not showing up in lsmod |
| 00:02.21 | delire | Glitch: hmm.. |
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| 00:02.49 | Glitch | delire: I don't think I can run nautilus as root from bash, though... can I? |
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| 00:02.51 | delire | uGexe: did you install a fglrx package and then compile && install the module |
| 00:03.14 | delire | Glitch: you should be able to <-- don't run a desktop environment |
| 00:03.14 | fusibou | uGexe that means it's not loaded |
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| 00:03.20 | uGexe | delire: yes |
| 00:03.31 | delire | Glitch: i mean to say i don't run a desktop environment. |
| 00:03.37 | uGexe | fusibou: modprobe does not give me any errors though. what should i check? |
| 00:03.40 | delire | uGexe: modprobe fglrx |
| 00:03.58 | uGexe | delire: modprobe fglrx gives no errors |
| 00:04.01 | delire | uGexe: glxinfo |
| 00:04.02 | fusibou | uGexe find the fglrx.ko module in the /ib/modules tree |
| 00:04.11 | Glitch | delire: It's probably permissions. I tried /usbdev/(subdir) and it said "access denied" |
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| 00:04.21 | fusibou | uGexe sorry /lib/modules/kernelversion tree |
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| 00:04.24 | delire | uGexe: and check framerate in glxgear |
| 00:04.40 | delire | Glitch: you've diagnosed correctly i think |
| 00:04.40 | fusibou | uGexe then try insmod /full/path/fglrx.ko |
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| 00:05.38 | fusibou | uGexe ie. find /lib/modules | grep fglrx |
| 00:06.33 | uGexe | fusibou: the make script instructed to put the module in /lib/modules/2.6.8-1-386/misc |
| 00:06.47 | uGexe | which is where it is located |
| 00:06.52 | fusibou | uGexe what do you get with uname -a? |
| 00:06.53 | delire | uGexe: weird |
| 00:07.20 | uGexe | 2.6.8-1-386 |
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| 00:07.29 | drac | uGexe: the fglrx.ko goes to kernel/drivers/char/drm/ |
| 00:07.32 | delire | uGexe: mine's in /lib/modules/2.6.10/kernel/drivers/char/drm/fglrx.ko |
| 00:07.35 | doub | hi |
| 00:07.52 | fusibou | uGexe yeah the driver's in the wrong place, like i suspected from the start |
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| 00:08.08 | uGexe | i wonder why the hell the make script said to put it in misc |
| 00:08.49 | delire | uGexe: 'cd /lib/modules/fglrx/build_mod && sh make.sh && cd .. && sh make_install.sh' |
| 00:09.00 | quitte_ | since when does it matter where in the modules dir a modules is? |
| 00:09.11 | delire | uGexe: then modprobe fglrx |
| 00:09.17 | mikkele | it doesn't matter where it puts the module. mine's in misc and works. just make sure depmod -a is run |
| 00:09.32 | doub | quitte_: so i'm not the only one to wonder |
| 00:09.36 | uGexe | depmod -ae was run |
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| 00:10.52 | vladster | <PROTECTED> |
| 00:11.05 | mikkele | does it show up with lsmod? |
| 00:11.21 | uGexe | no |
| 00:11.31 | fusibou | thank god for the big brains running to the rescue who've been following the whole thread so closely |
| 00:11.48 | quitte_ | vladster it's not messed up - you have no -dev package installed |
| 00:11.49 | vladster | It is causing compiler problems |
| 00:12.01 | vladster | oh |
| 00:12.08 | Flimzy | vladster: that's probably not a "configuration" problem then |
| 00:12.22 | drac | uGexe: modinfo fglrx doesn't show anything? |
| 00:12.22 | mikkele | uGexe: but modprobe fglrx doesn't complain? |
| 00:12.30 | uGexe | mikkele: nope |
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| 00:12.39 | redcoder | hello |
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| 00:13.00 | vladster | so I need to get the dev to satify the build |
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| 00:13.13 | mikkele | uGexe: uGexe maybe dmesg will help you see why it's not loaded |
| 00:13.42 | redcoder | I just compiled 2.6.8 kernel and booted with it, but as soon as lilo loads up the kernel it gives me a black screen and freezes. Can somebody tell me where the kernel error logfile is? |
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| 00:14.02 | vladster | sounds like a kernel panic |
| 00:14.09 | redcoder | it sure does |
| 00:14.14 | dondelelcaro | redcoder: that's usually a sign of having a kernel for the wrong processor type |
| 00:14.22 | quitte_ | recoder i'd bet you selected the wrong cpu type |
| 00:14.23 | redcoder | really |
| 00:14.32 | redcoder | I think i specify the right type |
| 00:14.38 | ml267 | dammit... i just purged my 'exim' package which was deinstalled, and it removed the config files for my 'exim-tls' package. |
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| 00:14.49 | ml267 | should've left it alone |
| 00:14.54 | redcoder | dondelelcaro, can you tell me where the error log is |
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| 00:15.06 | quitte_ | redcoder nowhere |
| 00:15.12 | redcoder | OhMyAchinLap, |
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| 00:15.22 | quitte_ | recoder how could it write one without filesystem mounted? |
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| 00:15.37 | redcoder | ok sorry, i didnt type that |
| 00:15.47 | redcoder | quitte_, good point |
| 00:15.58 | redcoder | I was assuming linux does magic |
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| 00:16.05 | thully | hi - does anyone know where I can get a torrent of Sarge DVD ISOs? I'm in a situation where I can't use jigdo on the system that has a DVD burner and I can't do a network install on the system I wish to install to. |
| 00:16.17 | dansushi | limewire isn't working for me, i downloaded the rpm and installed it, but i can't find it now |
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| 00:16.29 | quitte_ | recoder console on serial ;) |
| 00:16.56 | redcoder | ok imma change the proc type |
| 00:17.08 | drac | redcoder: perhaps framebuffering problem combined with lack of filesystem/ide/scsi support? |
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| 00:18.15 | redcoder | drac, i think im lacking ide/ata suppor :P |
| 00:18.27 | Glitch | Sorry about the lack of me being here for several minutes. |
| 00:18.27 | redcoder | but good point about framebuffer |
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| 00:18.35 | redcoder | thats probably why it gives me a black screen |
| 00:18.40 | drac | yup |
| 00:18.40 | Kerr | how do you unblock someone in gaim :-/ ? |
| 00:18.53 | Glitch | How can I access and change permissions to the directory, or the device if needed, delire? |
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| 00:19.06 | dvs | redcoder: Make sure you include it in the kernel and not as a module |
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| 00:19.11 | Glitch | delire is gone... |
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| 00:19.24 | redcoder | dvs, gotcha |
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| 00:19.27 | fusibou | Glitch what are you tring to do |
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| 00:19.40 | abrotman | !wayttd Glitch |
| 00:19.43 | dpkg | What Are You Trying To Do, Glitch? |
| 00:19.52 | Glitch | Delire was here and knew my problem. Sorry. |
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| 00:20.26 | sussudio | nobody knows the troubles Glitch' seen... nobody knows but delire... |
| 00:20.41 | fusibou | uGexe have you tried mikkele's suggestion |
| 00:20.42 | Glitch | Hold on. I had to think for a moment. |
| 00:20.56 | GmLB | Anyone -> Does debian have built-in support for ACLs in any file system (XFS, JFS, REISER, EXT3, et cetera)? I would very much like to setup a samba server with NT-style ACLs for use in my organization. |
| 00:21.11 | redcoder | cant find framebuffer =/ |
| 00:21.15 | chealer | sussudio: is that a song? |
| 00:21.26 | MobyTurbo | !anyone |
| 00:21.26 | dpkg | ***anyone: No such nick/channel - and yes, there probably is someone, somewhere, who knows or runs it; that doesn't mean *I* do. |
| 00:21.28 | dvs | redcoder: Which kernel? |
| 00:21.33 | redcoder | 2.6.8 |
| 00:21.54 | dvs | redcoder: I hope you're using the Sarge source |
| 00:21.58 | Glitch | fusibou: I can't alter/access files and directories on my newly mounted mp3 player. It may be a permission issue, as any attempt to get to a subdirectory via the nautilus file browser returns "access denied". However, icons that would be directories and files appear as unknown files with 0 bytes, and vanish when I right click on them. |
| 00:22.02 | MobyTurbo | GmLB: ext3 and XFS have ACLs I think. |
| 00:22.02 | redcoder | yes I am |
| 00:22.17 | GmLB | MobyTurbo: turned on in debian? Without recompiles? |
| 00:22.31 | MobyTurbo | GmLB: I don't know |
| 00:22.46 | fusibou | Glitch i'm no expert but you can ls -al your directory where it's mounted and see who's got permission |
| 00:23.00 | dvs | redcoder: Device Driver >> Graphics Support |
| 00:23.05 | fusibou | <PROTECTED> |
| 00:23.36 | redcoder | dvs, thanx |
| 00:23.47 | Glitch | Ah. Nothing but root... |
| 00:23.47 | Glitch | Oh! |
| 00:23.48 | Glitch | Dur. |
| 00:23.51 | Glitch | Thanks, fusibou. |
| 00:23.54 | Glitch | I feel stupid, now. :P |
| 00:23.58 | Glitch | XP |
| 00:24.14 | fusibou | Glitch does your fstab line for the usb drive include user in the options? |
| 00:24.35 | sussudio | woot. new Monkey Dust. |
| 00:24.40 | Glitch | fusibou: Let me check... |
| 00:24.43 | MobyTurbo | GmLB: ACL support is in the default configuration of the Debianized 2.4.27 kernels. I think it's not in 2.4.18bf, I don't know about the full kernel from xu. |
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| 00:25.01 | MobyTurbo | GmLB: and you can always turn it on. |
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| 00:25.30 | Glitch | fusibou: And hey, if the device is under /dev/sda1, can I add "/usbdev /dev/sda1" and nothing else? |
| 00:25.34 | Glitch | Will that mount? |
| 00:25.50 | Glitch | sda1 is already set. Don't worry about that. |
| 00:26.08 | jeroensnake | does anyone know a way to install php5 on debian stable ? |
| 00:26.14 | fusibou | Glitch in your fstab you'll want to specific the filesystem or auto and include options like user to ensure users can mount the drive (ie. not just root). see man fstab |
| 00:27.06 | Glitch | Oh.. wait... uba1, not sda1.. anyway... |
| 00:27.16 | sussudio | uba uba uba hop hop hop |
| 00:27.31 | dvs | ubastank! |
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| 00:28.00 | Supaplex | will mount -t swap -a mount all swap devices (from fstab)? and, will umount -t swap -a unmount all (currently mounted) swap devices? |
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| 00:29.02 | jeroensnake | does anyone know if php5 will be in stable soon ? |
| 00:29.29 | MobyTurbo | jeroensnake: stable almost never adds new packages. You'll have to wait for sarge, assuming sarge will have it. |
| 00:29.31 | Supaplex | heh, question is, is it in testing? (otherwise it'll end up in stable when sarge rolls over to stable) |
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| 00:29.51 | jeroensnake | im not really a deb user, what is sarge? |
| 00:29.56 | Supaplex | testing |
| 00:30.00 | PerfDave | jeroensnake: /msg dpkg releases |
| 00:30.11 | directhex | jeroensnake, next version of debian, after the current one |
| 00:30.18 | MobyTurbo | jeroensnake: sarge is currently testing, then once the QA is finished it will become stable. |
| 00:30.26 | jeroensnake | oh, ic |
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| 00:30.34 | directhex | jeroensnake, new packages arent added to stable, but stable is replaced by newer stables |
| 00:30.42 | Supaplex | it's frozen now to, so it'll be soon. real soon now. |
| 00:31.04 | Tearran | would you say that sarge is more stable then FC3? I would like to switch but like kde 3.2 |
| 00:31.10 | fusibou | uGexe did Mikkele's suggestion solve your problem? |
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| 00:31.40 | jeroensnake | i thought php5 wasnt in testing aswell, but ill check |
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| 00:31.55 | uGexe | fusibou: i am actually helping someone do this who can't get online... im waiting for him to get back with me |
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| 00:33.19 | directhex | Tearran, fedora is completely unstable |
| 00:33.27 | directhex | Tearran, sarge is a rock by comparison |
| 00:33.52 | dvs | fedora won't even install onto my computer (at least in graphics mode) |
| 00:33.59 | Tearran | Its the testing name that tosses me off i guess |
| 00:34.20 | ml267 | then you'll like the "unstable" name even more. :) |
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| 00:34.29 | Tearran | lol |
| 00:34.32 | dvs | ml267: What about the stable name? |
| 00:34.41 | ml267 | dvs: that's what I run |
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| 00:34.43 | FieldySnuts | I have some large images from my camera (above 3200xWhatever), neither nautilus nor konqueror while browsing show the thumbnails, though they do if I use a lower quality (less resolution), anyone know of a way to show these thumbnails? frustrating clicking on every single one to see what it is |
| 00:34.52 | dvs | ml267: you have woody? ;-) |
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| 00:35.09 | Tearran | well i install woody but kde 2. something |
| 00:35.14 | jeroensnake | whats an easy way to check if a packages is in testing when NOT using debian .. .? |
| 00:35.14 | ml267 | dvs: a stable one at that |
| 00:35.20 | dvs | hahahha |
| 00:35.23 | Tearran | not familura with apt at the time |
| 00:35.33 | caphuso | jeroensnake: http://packages.debian.org/ |
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| 00:35.47 | Glitch | fusibou: "/dev/sda1 /usbdev vfat rw,user,noauto 0 0" How does that look? /dev/sda1 is where the device is located (hopefully... /dev/sda* was what worked, but nothing else exists!). /usbdev is an already existant directory that I'll be using for this. |
| 00:35.53 | ml267 | Tearran: woody is great for servers and old machines |
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| 00:36.08 | ml267 | Tearran: sarge is more up to date for desktop use |
| 00:36.12 | Tearran | it will be a cedega gamming box |
| 00:36.18 | fusibou | Glitch you should be able to try it out as a user with "mount /dev/sda1" |
| 00:36.32 | fusibou | Glitch assuming it isn;t already mounted |
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| 00:37.16 | Glitch | fusibou: I've successfully mounted /dev/sda*, but with permission issues (done as root.. whoops). However, /dev/sda1, which is the only sda* that exists, will not mount for some reason. |
| 00:37.23 | Tearran | I use apt with FC and love it and like the fact that deb do not make a new ver every 6 months |
| 00:37.24 | Glitch | Isn't that odd? |
| 00:37.25 | marcidy | i have a computer hooked up to my TV, lets call it TVbox. I want be able to use my laptop to control TVbox's display, as in, from my lap top, login to TVbox and start up VLC so it displays on the TV, and not my laptop. I've tried various combinations of ssh, xhost +..., xauth, amd even vnc, and none will let me control the display on the TV. Am i doing something horribly wrong, because i can't even find a page that s |
| 00:37.40 | jeroensnake | hmm, even unstable doesnt seem to have php5 |
| 00:37.55 | jeroensnake | so there's no hope its in stable anywhere soon i guess ? |
| 00:37.59 | gurubie | Googgled, read, tested yet I had wine working in Sarge program from a 98 partiton but since I move partitions around and reset the fstab, etc Wine give a can't find files log. It's mounted, what else could it be? |
| 00:38.16 | fusibou | Glitch what does it say |
| 00:38.17 | directhex | jeroensnake, it will never be in woody, and is unlikely to ever be in sarge. perhaps in etch. |
| 00:38.23 | FieldySnuts | heh php5 is far from stable; stay away. apps that require php5 have idiots as devs. |
| 00:38.24 | flankk | hi. i've setup lamps on my debian system easily, and i am developing a secure login site with captchas. is there a php module in the repos for gd? or am i forced to compile? |
| 00:38.28 | fusibou | Glitch i assume you have saved the entry you showed in fstab |
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| 00:38.32 | flankk | this is woody btw. |
| 00:38.38 | pwn4ge | anyone using dual monitors ? |
| 00:38.38 | ml267 | Tearran: hmm.. apt in fedora? news to me |
| 00:38.49 | jeroensnake | directhex, its not in stabel or testing OR unstable... is there more? |
| 00:38.55 | pwn4ge | i'm trying to get a video to overlay on both of my monitors at once |
| 00:38.55 | jeroensnake | btw, im a slackware user |
| 00:39.02 | Tearran | Ya been useing it for 6 months |
| 00:39.04 | fusibou | pwn4ge are you using xinerama |
| 00:39.15 | Glitch | fusibou: I haven't saved or tried it yet. Hold on. |
| 00:39.24 | pwn4ge | fusibou: no i'm using mergedfb with xorg |
| 00:39.36 | pwn4ge | fusibou: and the radeon(4x) driver |
| 00:39.42 | directhex | jeroensnake, there's experimental, but don't look at that |
| 00:39.45 | fusibou | pwn4ge ok i dunno about that |
| 00:40.03 | jvw | jeroensnake: php5 isn't in debian yet |
| 00:40.08 | Glitch | fusibou: can I use "/dev/sda*" instead of "/dev/sda1"? It's the only thing that mounts successfully, for reasons unknown. |
| 00:40.09 | ml267 | Tearran: so FC's unstable for you? |
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| 00:40.26 | lowkey | can somebody help me .. I'm trying to find php4-* .debs for woody? are there any backports of PHP4 (4.3.10) ? |
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| 00:40.38 | jvw | jeroensnake: php5 been tried to be packaged by the php maintainers, but it's way too unstable and changing still to even qualify for unstable |
| 00:40.50 | jvw | lowkey: backports.org |
| 00:40.50 | PerfDave | fusibou: apt-cache search php gd |
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| 00:40.56 | flankk | i'm really surprised if there isn't a gd module in the repos.. |
| 00:41.09 | jvw | flankk: there is |
| 00:41.19 | lowkey | jvw: well .. tle last time I looked there .. there wasn't any php |
| 00:41.22 | fusibou | PerfDave not me |
| 00:41.24 | flankk | jvw, cool, got a name for it? |
| 00:41.28 | flankk | lowkey, there is. |
| 00:41.29 | PerfDave | fusibou: Whoops, my bad |
| 00:41.36 | jvw | flankk: php4-gd2 or php4-gd iirc |
| 00:41.43 | fusibou | Glitch what's the line in your saved /etc/fstab? |
| 00:41.45 | flankk | jvw, you're a pal :) |
| 00:41.50 | Eagle101 | help. when i try to adjust the clock in kde, i enter the password, then the window goes away and i see nothing...samething in the kde control panel??? |
| 00:41.52 | Tearran | FC3 does not even run on my P3 and just to much config to get it to work on my main to mess with |
| 00:42.07 | jvw | flankk, lowkey: http://packages.debian.org/cgi-bin/search_packages.pl?searchon=names&version=all&exact=1&keywords=php4-gd |
| 00:42.24 | Eagle101 | Tearran: leave FC3 alone, consider on debian, lol ;) |
| 00:42.28 | ml267 | Eagle101: try using the date command from command line? |
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| 00:42.41 | lowkey | jvw: php in woody is a way to old .. |
| 00:42.56 | jvw | lowkey: it works fine on my production systems... |
| 00:43.00 | Eagle101 | ml267: nope, |
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| 00:43.11 | lowkey | I need newer one .. but I don't want to upgrade debian .. and I also don't want to compile it from the source |
| 00:43.15 | ml267 | Eagle101: you use sudo? |
| 00:43.29 | fusibou | Glitch i want to confirm the usb device line in your saved /etc/fstab |
| 00:43.38 | FieldySnuts | badgers? |
| 00:43.41 | Glitch | fusibou: Regardless of the line (I haven't used that yet) I'm trying to tell you that /dev/sda1 may not actually mount. |
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| 00:43.46 | ml267 | Eagle101: personally, I use ntpdate to set clock |
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| 00:43.55 | Glitch | fusibou: /dev/sda1 /usbdev vfat rw,user,noauto 0 0 |
| 00:44.03 | jvw | lowkey: php has a very flaky upstream, it's hard to backport. Apparantly nobody yet made a high-quality woody backport that works fine |
| 00:44.03 | dvs | Eagle101: Me too ntpdate |
| 00:44.13 | Tearran | I installed it on my p3 at one time but that was 3.0 and dident know you could apt upgrade at the time I still dont know the command off hand I use symantic |
| 00:44.29 | Tearran | kde 2.0 was just to old hehe |
| 00:44.37 | sabin | anyone willing to help me with gnome-volume-manager... it doesn't automount my usbkey, i have udev,hal,d-bus... don't know what's missing |
| 00:44.41 | fusibou | Glitch if you just type mount does it show any usb device mounted |
| 00:44.48 | ml267 | Tearran: yeah, try sarge, see if you like it, or try ubuntu even |
| 00:45.05 | Glitch | fusibou: It is mounted. Give me a minute to type. |
| 00:45.06 | lowkey | jvw: so what do u suggest? |
| 00:45.21 | Glitch | I may type quickly but I must have careful wording. :P |
| 00:45.23 | Tearran | I think i will |
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| 00:45.37 | Tearran | Na I know I will hehe |
| 00:45.38 | jvw | lowkey: don't use newer php features that require php > 4.1.2? |
| 00:45.39 | fusibou | Glitch did you mount it in nautilus |
| 00:45.45 | Glitch | No. |
| 00:45.52 | Glitch | Nautilus cannot access it. I mounted it as root. |
| 00:45.54 | jvw | lowkey: it's not that there are very many really required features there... |
| 00:45.58 | Glitch | Let me unmount and mount as user, first. |
| 00:46.01 | fusibou | Glitch as root umount it |
| 00:46.06 | Glitch | I know. |
| 00:46.07 | Tearran | now to find the cds or do you have to dist upgrade |
| 00:46.16 | Glitch | You're going ahead of me, fusibou. I'm trying to tell you something. Give me a moment. |
| 00:46.19 | fusibou | Glitch then try mounting and unmounting through nautilus |
| 00:46.22 | Eagle101 | ml267: ok i downloaded ntpdate, but how do i use it to set the clock? |
| 00:46.30 | lowkey | jvw: that old PHP is a security risk .. even for woody |
| 00:46.43 | Tearran | got it hehe |
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| 00:46.49 | ml267 | Eagle101: rtfm.. man ntpdate |
| 00:46.54 | jvw | lowkey: eh, all known security bugs are fixed in woody for php |
| 00:47.01 | Glitch | fusibou: Does that require a manual thing or is that automatic? I've never mounted through nautilus. |
| 00:47.07 | Glitch | Anyway, hold on. |
| 00:47.10 | fusibou | Glitch what version of gnome |
| 00:47.10 | dvs | Eagle101: configure /etc/ntp.conf |
| 00:47.12 | Tearran | Um why 15 cd for sarge? |
| 00:47.33 | Glitch | fusibou: please wait. I'm trying to say something. You're not giving me a chance here. |
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| 00:47.38 | jvw | lowkey: it's atm sarge/sid that have security bugs |
| 00:47.41 | fusibou | Glitch go ahead |
| 00:47.47 | jvw | lowkey: that are not yet fixed |
| 00:47.53 | dvs | Tearran: Because it's big. But you don't need all of them. |
| 00:48.02 | wcs | I'm having a really weird problem, a user uploaded a file to a JFS partition that appears to maybe be in a different character set, and no program is capable of opening it for reading or renaming it because it simply says the file does not exist, using jfs_debugfs I was able to see that the file does indeed exist and contain data, but I could not figure out how to rename it through there any ideas? |
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| 00:48.43 | Tearran | 1-4? |
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| 00:48.55 | Eagle101 | dvs: thanks |
| 00:48.59 | dvs | Tearran: That's a good amount. |
| 00:48.59 | Eagle101 | ml267: thanks |
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| 00:49.11 | dvs | Eagle101: Is it set? |
| 00:49.13 | ml267 | Eagle101: the ntp.org site will show you servers you can use |
| 00:49.16 | Tearran | dvs: thank you |
| 00:49.26 | dvs | Tearran: np |
| 00:49.29 | caphuso | pool.ntp.org |
| 00:49.29 | GmLB | Does ANY version of debian have ANY filesystems in which ACL support is enabeld by default? |
| 00:49.35 | Luke | when i upgraded from the 2.4.27 kernel to the 2.6.8, my tap-on-touchpad to left click stopped working. any suggestions on how to fix this? |
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| 00:49.37 | caphuso | GmLB: yes |
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| 00:49.49 | GmLB | caphuso: which debian? what fs? |
| 00:49.59 | Glitch | fusibou: /dev/sda* mounts successfully, yet /dev/sda1 does not. However, /dev/sda1 is the only "sda" that exists in /dev. That's odd, is it not? If using /dev/sda* is more likely to mount successfully, can I use that in fstab? |
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| 00:50.01 | caphuso | GmLB: any that can run a 2.4 kernel. several |
| 00:50.03 | Golfgeo | Hi all |
| 00:50.05 | ml267 | !tell tearran about install |
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| 00:50.07 | jcole | ok, i've installed debian to a usb external disk.. but, after install when i select boot from usb, the grub bios device is now (hd0) instead of (hd1), that's fine and now i can boot debian, but now i don't know what the *kernel* device is (used to be /dev/sda)... how can i figure out what to pass as the "root=???" ? |
| 00:50.12 | wcs | any one here a JFS guru? |
| 00:50.16 | cafuego | ARRRGGHHH |
| 00:50.23 | GmLB | caphuso: I thought 2.4 ACL support was optional? Did the debian kernels turn it on? |
| 00:50.32 | wcs | cafuego: you ok? |
| 00:50.33 | Eagle101 | dvs: yes |
| 00:50.34 | cafuego | Don't you hate it when the cats catch a bird and bring it in, so it can shit itself all over the kitchen? |
| 00:50.42 | fusibou | Glitch i don't know, sorry |
| 00:50.52 | Eagle101 | ml2677: im lucky, the clock its now set correctly and everytthing |
| 00:51.07 | ml267 | Eagle101: good to hear |
| 00:51.08 | Glitch | fusibou: Alright... regardless, how do I mount via nautilus? |
| 00:51.12 | Tearran | Thank you all for you help and advice |
| 00:51.27 | fusibou | Glitch what version gnome |
| 00:51.34 | jcole | or, how do i boot the debian installer cd via grub? |
| 00:51.49 | jeaneid | I am trying to setup an nfs server but I have a router and it is not allowing me to mount the device. I disabled the firewall on the router and it is still doing the sam e thing |
| 00:51.50 | Luke | when i upgraded from the 2.4.27 kernel to the 2.6.8, my tap-on-touchpad to left click stopped working. any suggestions on how to fix this? |
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| 00:52.04 | Golfgeo | got a question: I have some MP3's witch I wan't to learn to play, yet I can't find any sheet music for it :-( So I was thinking, there must be some program out there witch can grab sheet music from audio... My question: Is there and what's it called? |
| 00:52.13 | Glitch | fusibou: Is there an easy way to find out? |
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| 00:52.35 | fusibou | Glitch right click on a panel and click about gnome |
| 00:52.37 | caphuso | GmLB: hm, right, might be that you need your own 2.4 kernel, but check your /boot/config-$(uname -r) first |
| 00:52.39 | cafuego | Glitch: Stop poking me, go clean my kitchen :-P |
| 00:52.52 | rcw | golfgeo: if there is such a program, I haven't heard of it |
| 00:52.55 | Glitch | fusibou: 2.8.1 |
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| 00:53.23 | fusibou | Glitch you should be able to open my computer and double click on the device and it should mount it |
| 00:53.26 | rcw | golfgeo: you're asking for something similarly complicated to Optical Character Recognition or Raster to Vector graphics conversion |
| 00:53.27 | ml267 | jcole: that's interesting... i guess it'll always be the first usb device if it's the booting device, right? |
| 00:53.43 | Golfgeo | rcw, :-) |
| 00:53.54 | caphuso | GmLB: this 2.4.27-2-k6 .config i have lists acl support for ext2/ext3/xfs |
| 00:54.08 | rcw | golfgeo: rosegarden can pretty-print MIDI's as sheet music though |
| 00:54.16 | Glitch | fusibou: The hell?! This isn't Windows! O_o; |
| 00:54.16 | ml267 | jcole: i have no experience with booting off usb, but you said debian boots? then why do you need to pass root=? |
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| 00:54.29 | rcw | golfgeo: although you'd tend to wind up with very overcomplicated sheet music |
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| 00:54.33 | GmLB | caphuso: Thanks :) |
| 00:54.34 | directhex | Golfgeo, any idea how hard that is from a programatical level? |
| 00:54.49 | directhex | Golfgeo, it's hard enough just to try & work out the beat of a song |
| 00:54.53 | fusibou | Glitch have you opened the computer icon? |
| 00:55.08 | Golfgeo | rcw, well, I know there are programs witch you can use to remove voice from music, but rosegarden sounds good |
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| 00:55.19 | Golfgeo | rcw, yea me program's a bit to |
| 00:55.24 | jcole | ml267: grub finds the kernel and boots it, but can't mount the root |
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| 00:55.37 | rcw | directhex: yeah, I'm still trying to figure out the *meter* of, for example, Nine Inch Nails' Somewhat Damaged. It's like it's 3/4, then seemlessly transitions into 4/4, and I can't tell where |
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| 00:56.02 | directhex | rcw, go to the shops and BUY the sheet music. that should answer it |
| 00:56.03 | rcw | golfgeo: usually removing voices works by lucky coincidence |
| 00:56.05 | ml267 | jcole: any references to usb booting in grub docs? |
| 00:56.10 | Glitch | fusibou: What the hell are you talking about? There is no computer icon! Nor is there a "my computer". You're describing something disturbingly similar to Windows. O_o |
| 00:56.10 | Golfgeo | rcw, lol |
| 00:56.19 | rcw | golfgeo: voices are *typically* recorded equally on the left and right channels |
| 00:56.21 | Packeteer | hi, how can i create an empty package to satisfy a dependency? |
| 00:56.33 | rcw | golfgeo: whereas instruments are usually towards the left or the right |
| 00:56.36 | fusibou | Glitch default gnome 2.8.1 desktop has a computer icon on the desktop. |
| 00:56.47 | jcole | ml267: good question, brb... |
| 00:56.53 | rcw | golfgeo: you eliminate the "center channel" and you've eliminated the vocals. Most of the time. |
| 00:57.16 | Golfgeo | rcw, yea, basic ocstra setup... |
| 00:57.24 | Glitch | fusibou: You know... I don't know why I didn't look... >.> |
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| 00:57.42 | Golfgeo | rcw, violins to the left and trupets to the right (If I rember correctly) |
| 00:58.10 | directhex | Golfgeo, clowns to the left, jokers to the right |
| 00:58.21 | Golfgeo | directhex :-) |
| 00:58.22 | ml267 | Golfgeo: it' just how they master the tracks |
| 00:58.23 | Glitch | Yay! |
| 00:58.25 | Glitch | Thanks, fusibou. |
| 00:58.26 | Glitch | :P |
| 00:58.28 | rcw | golfgeo: you'd probably have to do some fourier transforms to determine what frequency the sound energy is in, and you'd probably have to have a lot of code to distinguish instruments from each other and from vocals |
| 00:58.31 | Glitch | I feel kind of stupid... not trying that... |
| 00:58.58 | ml267 | Glitch: the obvious is often the last place you look |
| 00:58.58 | directhex | rcw, you're along the right tracks, but it's mind-bogglingly difficult to do effectively |
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| 00:59.14 | rcw | directhex: no doubt |
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| 00:59.19 | Glitch | ml267: Agreed. |
| 00:59.22 | Golfgeo | rcw, I know, but there might have been a nut out there who did it :-) |
| 00:59.23 | rcw | directhex: I ain't gonna try it :) |
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| 00:59.45 | fusibou | Glitch does this mean it mounted? |
| 00:59.47 | directhex | rcw, just trying to do beatmatching was the subject of my degree thesis. fourier++ |
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| 01:00.01 | Glitch | fusibou: Quite. I'm now playing an mp3 off of it. It works fine. |
| 01:00.06 | Glitch | I'm going to rename it, of course. |
| 01:00.07 | ml267 | it's one case where human process is much better.. just find a master musician who can write down the music from listening to it. |
| 01:00.10 | Glitch | I don't like "usbdev" :P |
| 01:00.10 | rcw | golfgeo: there probably have been nuts like that. But I'd be impressed if they made it recognize any multi-voice tracks |
| 01:00.27 | rcw | directhex: wow, damn |
| 01:01.06 | ml267 | rcw: yup, i'm sure it costs upwards of 4 digits too |
| 01:01.20 | wcs | christ sakes 766 people in this channel, and probally about 4 people who know what they are doing... |
| 01:01.26 | Golfgeo | rcw, well to coine a frase: On TV you see guy's spliting audio tracks into unieke tracks and one could then do the "to sheet" stuff... |
| 01:01.36 | dvs | wcs: sounds like work. |
| 01:01.53 | wcs | dvs: no shit. I do this for a living |
| 01:01.53 | ml267 | wcs: 6 billion people in this world, and probably about 40 who know what they're doing |
| 01:02.02 | rcw | golfgeo: oh, to stretch my original analogies a bit further - it'd be like sticking a microphone in the middle of a party and trying to get a voice recognition program to do its thing to every conversation a human could hear |
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| 01:02.24 | wcs | dvs: not IRC but sysadmin and I use to do tech support |
| 01:02.25 | Golfgeo | rcw :-) |
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| 01:02.55 | Golfgeo | rcw, but /me is going to look at rosegarden... Thanks for the pointer :-) |
| 01:02.56 | wepy | hello |
| 01:02.58 | dvs | wcs: I think it applies to almost any job. |
| 01:02.58 | rcw | golfgeo: yeah, typically each voice of the track is layed down independantly before everything gets mixed and produced |
| 01:02.59 | Golfgeo | gtg |
| 01:03.03 | wcs | yeah, see the difference his even a mere year or 2 ago. It was like 500 people in the channel and about 10-20 had a clue |
| 01:03.13 | wepy | i was wondering what kind of bugs debian users usually get? |
| 01:03.13 | FieldySnuts | @troll wcs |
| 01:03.15 | wcs | dvs: I'm talking about the groveling users |
| 01:03.41 | rcw | wepy: you could check out the ones they report :) |
| 01:03.47 | caphuso | wcs: i totally agree, let's kick out everyone who doesn't know what he's doing. you asked a question, so you're first |
| 01:03.50 | wepy | where do you report them? |
| 01:03.53 | wcs | FieldySnuts: yep thats me, it probally applys to you. Do you know how to rename a file on a JFS file system using jfs_debugfs? |
| 01:03.59 | rcw | wepy: see http://bugs.debian.org |
| 01:04.03 | wepy | neat thanks |
| 01:04.05 | debian | wcs: mc |
| 01:04.11 | ml267 | wepy: mosquitos in some areas, ticks in some others |
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| 01:04.17 | FieldySnuts | wcs: yes but with your attitude, get the answer from somebody else |
| 01:04.23 | zignig | FieldySnuts: I hope ravenbird has had it's rabies shot. |
| 01:04.29 | FieldySnuts | hehe zignig |
| 01:04.41 | debian | @shot wcs |
| 01:04.41 | wcs | FieldySnuts: yep, you have no fucking clue. Figured as much. |
| 01:04.48 | zignig | FieldySnuts: a bot frothing at the mouth, eek ! |
| 01:04.57 | FieldySnuts | ravenbird: test? |
| 01:04.57 | wepy | heh |
| 01:05.00 | FieldySnuts | :x |
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| 01:05.08 | debian | FieldySnuts: let's guess his age. 13 |
| 01:05.09 | wepy | in gentoo i have lots of issues with perl updates |
| 01:05.26 | wepy | but i'm betting debian doesn't have that kinda problem usually |
| 01:05.28 | FieldySnuts | it's offtopic here but i've never had perl problems in gentoo |
| 01:05.52 | FieldySnuts | hmm, pizza sounds good |
| 01:06.15 | ml267 | stop it, you're making me hungry |
| 01:06.21 | wcs | debian: might want to add 13 to your guess |
| 01:06.37 | rcw | wepy: if there's a truly horrible bug, it'll usually also be mentioned in the /topic |
| 01:06.44 | ml267 | who's signed in as debian?! |
| 01:06.48 | wepy | hm |
| 01:07.01 | wepy | thanks |
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| 01:07.47 | debian | wcs: how can you get along with the rest of the world for 26 years with such an attitude? :) |
| 01:08.04 | debian | wcs: i mean, how can the world live up with your attitude, for 26 years. :) |
| 01:08.25 | rcw | debian: when you're 26, you'll understand |
| 01:08.48 | Ronin | debian: they get punched or ignored a lot |
| 01:08.56 | debian | rcw: when I don't rememeber what I understood when I was 26. :P |
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| 01:09.52 | doub | toresbe: wait a little, opensolaris is not released yet, AFAIK |
| 01:10.03 | karsten | What companies does Debian get support from other than HP? |
| 01:10.09 | debian | toresbe: make sure the door doesn't hit your butt on your way out. :) |
| 01:10.09 | Rawplayer | compaq |
| 01:10.15 | toresbe | doub: It's an Ultra 1 - and... |
| 01:10.21 | toresbe | waitaminute |
| 01:10.27 | MobyTurbo | Rawplayer: nowadays Compaq = HP |
| 01:10.31 | karsten | Rawplayer: ?? |
| 01:10.33 | ml267 | doub: didn't slashdot have an article about solaris 10 being out? |
| 01:10.35 | toresbe | does this mean that the Solaris X server will be open too?!? |
| 01:10.35 | Rawplayer | i know MobyTurbo :P |
| 01:10.40 | kill-9 | DAMN I'M bored |
| 01:10.41 | sussudio | COMPAQQQ |
| 01:10.46 | debian | Compaq+HP=Compaq |
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| 01:10.51 | karsten | Rawplayer: DEC => Compaq => HP |
| 01:10.56 | sanxiyn | toresbe, I am not sure... |
| 01:10.58 | kill-9 | !compaq |
| 01:10.58 | dpkg | extra, extra, read all about it, compaq is a bunch of evil bastards that ship machines with twisted and perverted BIOSes and NO fscking IDE controllers. now owned by hp |
| 01:11.00 | karsten | Rawplayer: ...and Tandem, while we're at it. |
| 01:11.02 | sanxiyn | Xsun would be cool indeed. |
| 01:11.06 | fusibou | karsten http://www.debian.org/consultants/ |
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| 01:11.13 | doub | ml267: i don't know, but i've been told it will be released in 3 month or so |
| 01:11.18 | MobyTurbo | ml267: it's available for download, without source. Solaris isn't scheduled to be open source until 2Q05 |
| 01:11.19 | karsten | fusibou: Um. Wrong. That's consultants, not corporate backers. |
| 01:11.32 | fusibou | karsten um sorry i'll refund your fee |
| 01:11.53 | sanxiyn | ml267: They opened DTrace part of Kernel source. You can download it now. |
| 01:11.54 | karsten | fusibou: http://www.debian.org/partners/ would be closer to the point. |
| 01:12.12 | MobyTurbo | ml267: previous versions of Solaris, 8 & 9, were also available for registered download. Of course for x86 they were crap. |
| 01:12.25 | travisat | I tried to install solaris on an extra partition and it wouldn't detect my keyboard. |
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| 01:12.50 | MobyTurbo | travisat: USB keyboard? |
| 01:12.55 | travisat | pci |
| 01:12.56 | karsten | fusibou: Could you overnight the check? |
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| 01:13.03 | ml267 | travisat: keyboard conflicts with its telepathic abilities |
| 01:13.10 | MobyTurbo | travisat: there's no such thing as a PCI keyboard. You mean PS/2? |
| 01:13.12 | sanxiyn | http://www.opensolaris.com/ |
| 01:13.17 | fusibou | karsten you have to send yours first |
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| 01:13.37 | ml267 | travisat: or they want you to buy a terminal for you to log into your machine. lol |
| 01:13.38 | travisat | well its a laptop |
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| 01:14.07 | sanxiyn | oops it's http://www.opensolaris.org/ sorry |
| 01:14.09 | karsten | fusibou: I sent mine via FedEsp already. |
| 01:14.13 | MobyTurbo | travisat: get a tadpole. ;-) |
| 01:14.17 | sanxiyn | (see DTrace download) |
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| 01:14.45 | fusibou | karsten if you had esp you should've known not to bother |
| 01:14.52 | travisat | it supported my power button |
| 01:15.10 | karsten | fusibou: I don't have it personally, I just utilize a vendor's service. |
| 01:15.22 | fusibou | karsten sounds like they stiff you worse than i did |
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| 01:15.47 | karsten | fusibou: Well, they've been ESPing me that the check's in the mind for the past six weeks. |
| 01:15.48 | redcoder | dvs, I just booted to 2.6.8, thanx |
| 01:16.03 | dvs | redcoder: It worked? Good! |
| 01:16.08 | redcoder | yep :D |
| 01:16.19 | paolo | Hi guys! I can't have my linux box printing (debian testing, cups). All files stay in the queu and doesn't arrive to the printer. Hitting "cat <file> >/dev/lp0" gets: "-bash: /dev/lp0: Device or resource busy". Any known issue or any suggestion? thank you! |
| 01:16.24 | travisat | 2.6.10 is better =/ |
| 01:16.36 | fusibou | paolo did you install cups-client? |
| 01:16.39 | ^m0se5 | why does mysql have 2 packages? Which one do I want? mysql-server and mysql-server-4.1 |
| 01:17.04 | sanxiyn | ^m0se5: mysql-server = mysql 4.0 |
| 01:17.08 | sanxiyn | ^m0se5: You decide. |
| 01:17.11 | Glitch | Small problem... When I delete files on my mp3 player, they seem to delete properly, but it doesn't recognize the free space they leave behind. |
| 01:17.19 | karsten | ^m0se5: Different versions. |
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| 01:17.31 | fusibou | paolo sorry cupsys-client |
| 01:17.48 | doub | Glitch: what's the FS type? |
| 01:17.53 | Glitch | vfat |
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| 01:18.08 | MobyTurbo | Glitch: then there should be no problems |
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| 01:18.17 | fusibou | Glitch what happens if you sync after? |
| 01:18.18 | ^m0se5 | sanxiyn, what do I base my decision on? |
| 01:18.29 | sanxiyn | ^m0se5: If you must ask, install mysql-server. |
| 01:18.39 | paolo | fusibou: yes. All was working till last week. |
| 01:18.40 | Glitch | fusibou would nautilus's "reload" action resync? |
| 01:19.02 | fusibou | paolo sometimes a cable can be pulled out a bit; happened to me and it was the last thing i checked of course |
| 01:19.02 | rcw | glitch: if a program has the file open still, it'll remain on disk (without a filename associated with it) until the program closes the file |
| 01:19.27 | Glitch | rcw: as far as I know, these files are not in use. |
| 01:19.38 | fusibou | Glitch i don't think so; i'm just thinking that you need to unmount (which forces a sync) then remount to see the difference but i could be wrong |
| 01:19.52 | rcw | glitch: then my next step would be fsck |
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| 01:20.11 | doub | Glitch: you can try typing 'sync' on a terminal |
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| 01:20.40 | Glitch | fusibou: I'll try that, but... eh.. I'll try it. |
| 01:21.04 | paolo | fusibou: I checked it |
| 01:21.21 | rcw | glitch: since FAT doesn't support hardlinks, maybe you have the next best thing - crosslinked files :( |
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| 01:21.33 | ^m0se5 | sanxiyn, reason I ask is cause I'm using it for the backend of apache. The server doesn't get touched much but I do apt-get upgrade offen. |
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| 01:22.31 | fusibou | Glitch the other thing to check is if you are running fam (the file alteration monitor). do you have /etc/init.d/fam? |
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| 01:22.44 | sanxiyn | ^m0se5: Doesn't matter. |
| 01:22.56 | sparr | fresh debian install, bitchx is complaining "address family not supported by protocol" or some such when i try certain networks. ipv6 problem? |
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| 01:23.04 | zignig | sparr: yes |
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| 01:23.55 | ^m0se5 | sanxiyn, thanks. so mysql-server will be 4.1 someday then? |
| 01:24.00 | sparr | solutions? |
| 01:24.02 | Glitch | fusibou: I have a "famd" running in /usr/sbin/ ...Is that the same thing? |
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| 01:24.09 | fusibou | paolo have you checked the cups webpage http://127.0.0.1:631 |
| 01:24.22 | sanxiyn | ^m0se5: Someday |
| 01:24.46 | Glitch | It might be running something FROM /usr/sbin/ |
| 01:24.52 | Glitch | That's just the argument, actually. |
| 01:24.54 | travisat | sparr: recompile kernel without ipv6 support |
| 01:24.56 | Glitch | (process list window) |
| 01:25.24 | travisat | probably the hardest route though |
| 01:25.25 | fusibou | Glitch yes ok. did umounting/remounting fix the discrepancy in space? (or, as someone said you can open a terminal and do sync) |
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| 01:25.46 | Glitch | fusibou: using "sync" did not work, but I'll try mounting and unmounting, if that's any different. |
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| 01:25.57 | sparr | travisat: its a stock kernel, id rather not... and i want ipv6 support, so id really rather not. |
| 01:26.12 | travisat | sparr: well I don't know then |
| 01:26.29 | sparr | thankfully i can still connect to freenode :) |
| 01:26.45 | cafuego | well, what else would you need irc for? |
| 01:26.48 | paolo | fusibou: yes, it say nothing significant |
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| 01:27.09 | sparr | nothing, of course |
| 01:27.10 | sparr | rofl |
| 01:27.14 | sparr | You have new email. |
| 01:27.24 | sparr | ive never set up a linux box for email before... wonder what that is |
| 01:27.44 | peterS | sparr: mail from the system, related to packages just installed, or similar |
| 01:27.50 | sparr | neat |
| 01:28.00 | peterS | sparr: possibly output from cron jobs from other packages installed |
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| 01:28.26 | sparr | that ipv6 problem may get worse... i hope not |
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| 01:28.31 | sparr | would be a horrible way to start a new install |
| 01:28.34 | Glitch | ARGH! Now I'm having that damned mounting issue again! >_< |
| 01:28.56 | travisat | Glitch: GET OFF THE HORSE! |
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| 01:29.04 | CraigDun | i need the kernel headers for 2.6.8-1-386 but cant find the package. It was there before. where might i find it? |
| 01:29.19 | abrotman | apt-cache search kernel-header |
| 01:29.32 | fusibou | dinner time |
| 01:29.39 | guru | with bash, how do i test if a variable is less than something (e.g., test if $FOO < 70) |
| 01:29.43 | CraigDun | what does apt-cache do? |
| 01:29.52 | Glitch | fusibou: "mount: special device /dev/sda1 does not exist" |
| 01:30.11 | Glitch | And yes, I tried changing it to /dev/sda* |
| 01:30.13 | travisat | Glitch: is scsi support enabled |
| 01:30.22 | Glitch | travisat: yes. |
| 01:30.34 | travisat | Glitch: hmmm I have the same problem with my ipod |
| 01:30.37 | Rawplayer | lo Pluk |
| 01:30.39 | Rawplayer | :p |
| 01:30.41 | sparr | omfg |
| 01:30.51 | Glitch | Mmm... Ipod with Linux... |
| 01:30.53 | sparr | aptitude "Desktop Environment" task is 2GB of downloads? |
| 01:30.57 | Glitch | iPod, rather. :P |
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| 01:31.10 | Pluk | :D hi Rawplayer |
| 01:31.21 | caphuso | guru: if [[ FOO -le 70 ]]; then ... |
| 01:31.27 | sanxiyn | sparr: Yes. |
| 01:31.31 | travisat | sparr: or you can apt-get fvwm |
| 01:31.32 | CraigDun | those headers were never downloaded by me through apt |
| 01:31.33 | Rawplayer | caphuso: no suck command |
| 01:31.34 | CraigDun | i dont have them |
| 01:31.38 | CraigDun | thats why I need them |
| 01:31.40 | Glitch | NO SUCK COMMAND! |
| 01:31.44 | cafuego | sparr: That contains all of X, Gnome and KDE. You don't want it. |
| 01:31.48 | Glitch | Oh god! Where has the suck command gone?! |
| 01:31.49 | Glitch | It's gone! |
| 01:31.52 | korhalf | mount: you must specify the filesystem type |
| 01:31.58 | caphuso | Rawplayer: excuse me? |
| 01:31.58 | korhalf | I don't understand..the filesystem type is ext3, I'm tryign to read another harddrive |
| 01:31.59 | Glitch | We're all going to die, because bash can't give head! |
| 01:32.09 | korhalf | and I'm trying to mount it, so like.. #mount /dev/hda1 /Movies |
| 01:32.10 | caphuso | cafuego: i don't need one |
| 01:32.28 | Rawplayer | huh? |
| 01:32.28 | sparr | cafuego: and open office, and games, and mozilla, and a shitload of other stuff |
| 01:32.29 | Rawplayer | hmm |
| 01:32.30 | Rawplayer | lol |
| 01:32.30 | sparr | wow |
| 01:32.34 | Rawplayer | i wanted to type such |
| 01:32.35 | cafuego | caphuso: Well, FOO isn't an integer. |
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| 01:32.48 | sparr | im just gonna get fluxbox |
| 01:32.48 | Rawplayer | and was thinking about other things |
| 01:32.49 | caphuso | cafuego: no, it's a parameter |
| 01:32.51 | korhalf | should I force it with -f? |
| 01:32.52 | sparr | that should give me the right packages :) |
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| 01:33.45 | korhalf | can anyone help? |
| 01:33.47 | CraigDun | i am running Kernel 2.6.8-1-i386, it was installed by sarge when I installed. I need the headers but can |
| 01:33.50 | CraigDun | cant find them |
| 01:33.58 | korhalf | mount: you must specify the filesystem type |
| 01:34.07 | pipeline | CraigDun: http://snapshot.debian.net/ |
| 01:34.23 | pipeline | CraigDun: Just download the specific deb file; don't add it to your sources.list! |
| 01:34.31 | sparr | so, who do i complain to about the debian installer not setting up grub correctly? |
| 01:34.34 | CraigDun | ok |
| 01:34.42 | guru | aha...getopts is order specific |
| 01:34.45 | korhalf | !? |
| 01:34.45 | CraigDun | how do i install the package? |
| 01:34.55 | travisat | CraigDun: dpkg -i foo.deb |
| 01:35.05 | CraigDun | thanks |
| 01:35.07 | guru | e.g., ":i:o:t:s", ./foo -i bar -s 70 is not valid |
| 01:35.08 | korhalf | mount: you must specify the filesystem type |
| 01:35.11 | korhalf | why do I get that error |
| 01:35.12 | korhalf | upon mounting? |
| 01:35.19 | sparr | because you didnt specify a filesystem type |
| 01:35.19 | korhalf | should I force it with the -f option? |
| 01:35.27 | korhalf | well what's the correct way to do it then |
| 01:35.29 | sparr | step 1: read the error message |
| 01:35.37 | sparr | even *I* got that far :) |
| 01:35.38 | korhalf | I do it this way, #mount /dev/hdc5 /Movies |
| 01:35.44 | caphuso | cafuego: i think you need to learn about the difference between [ ] and [[ ]] |
| 01:35.52 | korhalf | okay I can read the fucking message, I'm wondering why when I mount windows, I don't need to specify that it's NTFS |
| 01:35.57 | sparr | mount /dev/hdc5 /Movies -t sometype |
| 01:36.15 | cafuego | caphuso: 'rc' likes neither |
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| 01:36.24 | sparr | korhalf : because 'windows' is described in your fstab |
| 01:36.35 | caphuso | cafuego: rc is stupid :-P |
| 01:36.48 | cafuego | caphuso: and plan9 is satan |
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| 01:39.03 | zignig | cafuego: plan9 is a cool idea, 'everything is a network device' <> 'everything is a file' |
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| 01:39.03 | korhalf | what libs do I purge for kde so I can remove it all |
| 01:39.27 | korhalf | sparr: How do I check the filesystem type of a given partition? |
| 01:39.38 | zignig | korhalf: cfdisk or fdisk |
| 01:39.55 | cafuego | korhalf: or with 'dd' if you feel adventurous |
| 01:40.03 | sanxiyn | cafuego: haha |
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| 01:40.23 | resiak | !tell korhalf about remove kde |
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| 01:40.33 | sanxiyn | Better, fdisk -l. |
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| 01:40.49 | bookmark | hi |
| 01:40.53 | bookmark | bye |
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| 01:41.00 | sanxiyn | ... |
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| 01:41.11 | Ronin | most intellegent thing tonight quite likely |
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| 01:42.42 | yxa | does the default 2.4.x kernel support firewire? |
| 01:42.43 | sparr | korhalf: no idea |
| 01:43.15 | sparr | im configuring my monitor for X... is 'horizontal sync' the same as 'horizontal scanning frequency'? |
| 01:43.16 | caphuso | Ronin: oh, bookmark has done things way more stupid than that before |
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| 01:43.38 | sanxiyn | sparr: Yes. |
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| 01:43.49 | sparr | ok |
| 01:44.06 | korhalf | those only show the usage and stuff, they don't show the type |
| 01:44.09 | korhalf | well wait, one sec |
| 01:44.18 | peterS | sparr: yes. it'll be a range in kHz, somewhere between 30-100 somewhere |
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| 01:44.22 | sparr | the range is 24.83-79.98, should i put in 25-79 or 24-80 or what? |
| 01:44.32 | peterS | sparr: 24-80 is fine |
| 01:44.56 | sanxiyn | korhalf: As I said, fdisk -l. |
| 01:44.58 | peterS | sparr: going slightly over or under really doesn't matter. this just helps XFree86 pick appropriate video modes (including refresh rate) which aren't out of tolerance for your monitor |
| 01:45.10 | directhex | i expect it can tollerate a 0.17khz discrepancy |
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| 01:45.15 | sparr | and vertical is 56-76 |
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| 01:45.25 | sparr | that sound right? |
| 01:45.29 | peterS | sparr: sounds about right. most monitors can do better than 76 Hz vertical, but that's not *so* bad |
| 01:45.32 | caphuso | resiak: try http://caphuso.dyndns.org/~caphuso/morons/ |
| 01:45.33 | directhex | sparr, yes it does |
| 01:45.35 | sparr | its a lcd |
| 01:45.54 | peterS | sparr: ahh. so it probably does 60 Hz or 75 Hz in the windows presets |
| 01:45.54 | sparr | 75.0X is the highest actually |
| 01:45.57 | directhex | then the refresh is prety meaningless anyway |
| 01:45.57 | sparr | yeah |
| 01:46.11 | sanxiyn | caphuso: Thanks! |
| 01:46.20 | resiak | Noooo! A typo late at night cna be destructive. |
| 01:46.22 | caphuso | sanxiyn: you're welcome |
| 01:46.24 | caphuso | what did i do? |
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| 01:46.30 | sparr | rounded, it does 56, 60, 67, 70, 73, 75 |
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| 01:46.48 | caphuso | resiak: hahaha |
| 01:47.00 | sanxiyn | caphuso: Posted link to ~caphuso/morons |
| 01:47.03 | peterS | resiak: *doh* |
| 01:47.10 | travisat | http://caphuso.dyndns.org/~caphuso/morons/ |
| 01:47.11 | Scrape | Question... Is there any good reason to have an SSL encryption on the lo interface? |
| 01:47.23 | peterS | Scrape: other than testing that it works properly, no |
| 01:47.42 | directhex | Scrape, to securely transfer data to the rest of the world living on lo |
| 01:48.02 | Scrape | peterS: Now, it is possible to snoop the lo interface, right? Although, that would imply that an attacker already has root on my machine anyway... |
| 01:48.04 | cafuego | sparr: Anything 72 or higher will not matter much. it's just that under 72 seems to flicker. |
| 01:48.10 | peterS | Scrape: exactly |
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| 01:48.35 | peterS | Scrape: if someone can sniff lo, SSL is the least of your worries (: |
| 01:48.54 | korhalf | The thing is |
| 01:48.58 | korhalf | I have 2 harddrives |
| 01:49.00 | hever | Hello. I've a touchpad on my laptop and the synaptic driver already installed but how could I now configure X to use this driver ? |
| 01:49.00 | strubbel | aaaaa, why doesn't pressing r in an interactive bash replace the char under the curser, aaaaaaaa |
| 01:49.05 | sparr | damn |
| 01:49.05 | korhalf | and cfdisk only shows me the primary one where xp is installed |
| 01:49.08 | korhalf | how do I make it read hdc |
| 01:49.08 | sparr | i have a 5:4 monitor |
| 01:49.09 | sparr | wtf |
| 01:49.09 | strubbel | or was it cursor? |
| 01:49.10 | korhalf | where linux is |
| 01:49.19 | sparr | ive never *SEEN* a 5:4 screen before i got this one |
| 01:49.20 | peterS | korhalf: 'cfdisk /dev/hdc' ? |
| 01:49.38 | cafuego | sparr: That's oddly square. |
| 01:49.42 | sparr | yeah |
| 01:49.46 | sparr | every other monitor i own is 4:3 |
| 01:49.51 | cafuego | sparr: Sure you're not just running some odd resolution? |
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| 01:49.55 | peterS | sparr: 1280x1024 is 5:4 if you have square pixels. if the manufacturer thought 1280x1024 would be better than 1280x960, and wanted square pixels ... there you have it |
| 01:49.55 | korhalf | <PROTECTED> |
| 01:49.56 | sparr | yep, im sure |
| 01:49.58 | sparr | i just measured it |
| 01:50.05 | caphuso | strubbel: because you haven't told bash to use vi bindings? |
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| 01:50.05 | Glitch | Well.. I've found a crude but practical solution to my problem with mounting that seems to result in a random sd name. I have two shortcuts to drives. One is to /sdb1, and one is to /sda1 |
| 01:50.06 | Glitch | :D |
| 01:50.08 | sparr | ive always run 1280x960 before |
| 01:50.10 | jeaneid | what port does nfs listen to???????????????????????? |
| 01:50.12 | sparr | but now ill be using 1280x1024 |
| 01:50.17 | peterS | jeaneid: several ports |
| 01:50.20 | cafuego | sparr: Just flip it to 1280x1024 then |
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| 01:50.43 | strubbel | caphuso: don't tell me this is possible! |
| 01:50.44 | peterS | jeaneid: use 'rpcinfo -p' to see them. you're looking for 'nfs', 'nlockmgr', 'mountd', 'status' and possibly a couple of others |
| 01:50.44 | cafuego | jeaneid: lots. portmap (udp/111) tells a client which one. |
| 01:50.47 | jeaneid | peterS: I have a router and I need to forward nfs port |
| 01:50.49 | caphuso | strubbel: of course it is |
| 01:51.00 | strubbel | caphuso: hui |
| 01:51.09 | peterS | jeaneid: you'll also need to forward the portmapper, which is UDP and TCP 111. the other services are not at fixed ports, although some of them *can* be |
| 01:51.20 | cafuego | jeaneid: You *really* want to run NFS through a bunch of networks? |
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| 01:51.28 | sparr | but the sucky part is that 1280x1024 is the only 5:4 res |
| 01:51.32 | mdh | strubbel: bash uses readline, which lets you do all sorts of productive things with your key bindings |
| 01:51.37 | jeaneid | what other option do I have |
| 01:51.42 | sparr | 640x512 doesnt exist |
| 01:51.44 | Glitch | PROBLEM: The file size in my mp3 player (removable storage device with vfat for filesystem type) won't change! It's locked on the same value that it has been since I fist mounted it! o_o |
| 01:51.48 | caphuso | not as many as zle :-( |
| 01:51.54 | cafuego | sparr: There's a 1920xsoemthingorother too |
| 01:51.55 | peterS | sparr: heh. create a custom mode line for it |
| 01:51.55 | sparr | or 960x768 |
| 01:52.03 | sparr | cafuego: yeah, but my monitor wont go that high |
| 01:52.05 | bjenkins | where's the initrd come from when you build a kernel? |
| 01:52.15 | peterS | sparr: but yes, in general, all the vesa standard resolutions have always been 4:3, except 1280x1024 |
| 01:52.16 | sparr | peterS: no can do, the monitor wont do it... i think... |
| 01:52.24 | sparr | guess i can try |
| 01:52.32 | caphuso | sanxiyn: no need to /msg me, i already know what's in those files |
| 01:52.38 | sparr | the manual for the lcd says no go, but what does the manufacturer know? :) |
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| 01:52.46 | jeaneid | peterS: is there anywhere a write up on this |
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| 01:53.10 | peterS | jeaneid: I saw a web page once about how you could put all those services on fixed ports, but I forget the URL |
| 01:53.11 | jeaneid | cafuego: do I have any other options |
| 01:53.30 | hever | Hello. I've a touchpad on my laptop and the synaptic driver already installed but how could I now configure X to use this driver ? |
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| 01:53.30 | strubbel | caphuso: edit /etc/inputrc? |
| 01:53.30 | strubbel | caphuso: oh, thats fun :) |
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| 01:53.36 | sparr | i remember once i found a program that ran my box through every video mode |
| 01:53.38 | sparr | it was cool |
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| 01:53.42 | caphuso | strubbel: "set -o vi", IIRC |
| 01:53.42 | sparr | hit like a hundred modes |
| 01:53.53 | sparr | some i had never heard of |
| 01:54.09 | sparr | Timeout - AT keyboard not present?(f4) |
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| 01:54.14 | sparr | ^^ not cool error message i just got |
| 01:54.38 | peterS | sparr: those are always funny, though, in their own way. "missing keyboard - hit such-and-such a key to continue" |
| 01:54.42 | Roki | For laser printers, is it better to have a single cartridge containing the toner/imaging drum, or a separate toner and imaging drum? |
| 01:54.55 | sparr | peterS: yes, but i JUST got that error |
| 01:54.55 | jeaneid | is rsync faster than nfs????? |
| 01:54.57 | sparr | right here in bitchx |
| 01:55.04 | caphuso | Roki: separate means cheaper refill |
| 01:55.16 | Glitch | PROBELM! READ! PROBELM I SAY! O_< |
| 01:55.17 | peterS | Giltch: what is it? |
| 01:55.20 | Glitch | Hey.. um.. |
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| 01:55.31 | strubbel | caphuso: how big is that :D |
| 01:55.33 | Glitch | The file size in my mp3 player (removable storage device with vfat for filesystem type) won't change! It's locked on the same value that it has been since I fist mounted it! o_o |
| 01:55.36 | Roki | caphuso: I mean quality wise..do better printers tend to have toner/imaging drum combined or not? |
| 01:55.39 | Glitch | Sorry.. |
| 01:55.41 | caphuso | Roki: yes |
| 01:55.41 | Glitch | The free space. |
| 01:55.44 | Glitch | Not the file size. |
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| 01:56.18 | Roki | caphuso: The imaging drum/toner package is $70 for 3,000 pages...you think that's good? |
| 01:56.23 | lu | curious if anyone out there has hacked the 30" apple monitor |
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| 01:56.32 | Glitch | Err.. |
| 01:56.46 | caphuso | Roki: i pay $70 for toner only and get 6000 pages |
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| 01:57.16 | Roki | thats good |
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| 01:57.21 | Glitch | The free space in my mp3 player (removable storage device with vfat for filesystem type) won't change when deleting and such. The system doesn't recognize it. It's locked on the same value that it has been since I fist mounted it! o_o |
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| 01:57.38 | Damm | Question, when installing cupsys package it does not create /etc/cups/cupsd.conf |
| 01:57.42 | Damm | what creates that file? |
| 01:57.50 | caphuso | Damm: http://localhost:631/ |
| 01:57.58 | cafuego | and I get 4000 pages for a $60 toner cartridge |
| 01:58.03 | directhex | Glitch, unmount it. or man sync. or mount -o sync |
| 01:58.04 | Glitch | Gah.. |
| 01:58.06 | Glitch | Sorry... |
| 01:58.07 | MobyTurbo | caphuso: what printer do you have? |
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| 01:58.20 | caphuso | MobyTurbo: Kyocera FS-1000+PS |
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| 01:58.32 | Glitch | directhex: I've tried that. I've actually mounted it under an entirely different device. The files are gone, but the space remains unchanged. |
| 01:58.54 | Damm | caphuso: uh, can't get cupsd to start without cupsd.conf |
| 01:59.00 | Damm | so how can I connect to localhost:631 |
| 01:59.06 | Damm | when the cupsys package doesn't include cupsd.conf |
| 01:59.08 | sparr | ok, X is choosing a bad res/refresh combo for my lcd... i can see everything, but i have vertical bars of fuzziness on the screen |
| 01:59.20 | Roki | What other parts generally wear out fast on laser printers, besides the imaging drum/toner? |
| 01:59.23 | cafuego | Damm: apt-get install --reinstall --force-confmiss cupsys |
| 01:59.33 | caphuso | Roki: small rubber thingies |
| 01:59.36 | cafuego | Damm: it *does* come with cupsd.conf |
| 01:59.37 | Damm | Feb 1 17:51:51 desolation cupsd: Unable to read configuration file '/etc/cups/cupsd.conf' - exiting! |
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| 01:59.43 | peterS | sparr: you might try 'dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xfree86' and this time set the vertical refresh to a range of 58-62. that'll force it to pick 60 Hz |
| 01:59.53 | Roki | ok |
| 01:59.58 | caphuso | cafuego: it's dpkg that has the --force-confmiss option |
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| 02:00.15 | cafuego | caphuso: meh |
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| 02:00.23 | sparr | i made the ranges a little smaller, eliminated the freakiest options |
| 02:00.26 | Roki | caphuso: its really hard to find the rubber rollers replacement parts...is it possible to use universal ones or something? |
| 02:00.27 | strubbel | caphuso: mmm, maybe i'll stay with the emacs ones :) |
| 02:00.40 | cafuego | Roki: Also, if a cat pisses on the printer it will need repair (and deodorant) <heh> |
| 02:00.42 | caphuso | Roki: doubtful |
| 02:00.44 | cheezwiz | would anyone happen to know were I can find this package: kernel-image-2.6.8-1-386 |
| 02:00.46 | sanxiyn | oops |
| 02:00.49 | sparr | lets say i want to specify my res/refresh exactly, what would i do? |
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| 02:00.54 | Roki | heh |
| 02:01.04 | sanxiyn | (pretty well hidden :( ) |
| 02:01.09 | cafuego | Roki: I've ahd my laser for 6 years now and only ever had to repalce the toner |
| 02:01.15 | peterS | sparr: give it just the one resolution to pick from, and pick a narrow refresh range, like 58-62 |
| 02:01.45 | Roki | thats nice man |
| 02:01.47 | jethro | http://uploads.ungrounded.net/196000/196510_Son_of_a_Peach_.swf |
| 02:01.51 | peterS | sparr: 'dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xfree86' will let you do this |
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| 02:02.01 | Roki | how much did you get it for? |
| 02:02.10 | cafuego | Roki: So if you have a reliable printer, you should be fine. |
| 02:02.15 | Damm | the --force-confmiss was what I was lacking |
| 02:02.20 | sanxiyn | How evil is Flash? |
| 02:02.21 | Damm | thank you. got the sob fixed now. |
| 02:02.21 | cafuego | Roki: AU$1500-ish I think |
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| 02:03.07 | jethro | sanxiyn: 12.345 |
| 02:03.20 | Glitch | directhex: resyncing and mount/unmounting do nothing. The files are gone, but the space they took up is still taken up. |
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| 02:04.07 | chealer | cheezwiz: sure you don't want -2-386? |
| 02:04.14 | Roki | cafuego: I'm looking into some dell printers, and have no clue if its reliable or not; i get a 3 yr warrenty.. |
| 02:04.33 | chealer | Roki: I'd buy HP really |
| 02:04.46 | cafuego | Roki: I wouldn't recommend dell ANYTHING to anyone |
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| 02:05.19 | sparr | damnit |
| 02:05.21 | sparr | it was the monitor! |
| 02:05.26 | sparr | worst part about this cheap lcd... |
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| 02:05.30 | sparr | it doesnt auto adjust worth a shit |
| 02:05.35 | Roki | is dell that bad? |
| 02:05.48 | cafuego | Roki: Depends on who you ask. i have 3 dead laptops here... |
| 02:05.59 | cafuego | Roki: See, dell is cheap for more reasons than just volume. |
| 02:06.04 | Glitch | An answer would be lovely. |
| 02:06.05 | sanxiyn | jethro: That sounds very evil... |
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| 02:06.39 | uGexe | I have [fglrx] module loaded - fglrx 8.8.25 on minor 0 inside my dmesg, but when i try to startx it says it cant find the module fglrx |
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| 02:07.50 | jea2tm | help what's the command for 2.6 kernel on apt-get? |
| 02:07.51 | jea2tm | hi |
| 02:07.59 | jea2tm | apt-get install kernel6? |
| 02:08.09 | asg | jea2tm: apt-get install kernel-image (pick one that suits and install it) |
| 02:08.11 | jea2tm | i meant the lastest one? |
| 02:08.16 | vulture | jea2tm: apt-cache search kernel-image |
| 02:08.21 | vulture | yeesh |
| 02:08.57 | jea2tm | and apt-get install? |
| 02:09.16 | jea2tm | but i didnt see? |
| 02:09.35 | jea2tm | just 2.4.x? |
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| 02:09.46 | chealer | jea2tm: what release are you using? |
| 02:09.49 | asg | jea2tm: what debian are you using? |
| 02:09.56 | uGexe | apt-get update first perhaps? |
| 02:10.28 | sanxiyn | What will be the version number of Sarge? |
| 02:10.32 | sanxiyn | 3.1? 4.0? |
| 02:10.32 | asg | sanxiyn: 3.1 |
| 02:10.33 | chealer | 3.1 |
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| 02:11.23 | sanxiyn | Anyone knows why Woody got a major version number bump? |
| 02:11.41 | peterS | sanxiyn: anthony towns, release manager, decided it deserved one |
| 02:11.43 | caphuso | sanxiyn: because the release manager decided to |
| 02:11.44 | sussudio | sanxiyn: your question is wrong |
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| 02:11.54 | sussudio | woody _is_ a major version. |
| 02:11.58 | peterS | sanxiyn: read debian-devel-announce from some time in 2002 where he announced this |
| 02:12.07 | sanxiyn | Thanks. |
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| 02:12.43 | chealer | sussudio: do you mean sarge will also be woody? |
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| 02:12.46 | uGexe | http://misc.ug-pro.com/problem.jpg <- that is a more detailed idea of my problem |
| 02:12.46 | bjenkins | i just compile a new kernel, and somehow lost support for non-X consoles. where'd i go wrong? |
| 02:12.50 | sussudio | !do chealer |
| 02:12.55 | caphuso | the announcement was propaganda. what he really wanted was trying to catch up to suse/redhat/mandrake ;-) |
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| 02:13.25 | chealer | hehe, long way to mandrake |
| 02:13.29 | bjenkins | everything under X seems to work OK |
| 02:13.33 | bjenkins | just no consoles |
| 02:13.40 | peterS | !ops Megan| is asking for voice in #debian, please advise |
| 02:13.41 | dpkg | Hydroxide, bob2, caphuso, dondelelcaro, doogie, eeyore-, ElectricElf, greycat, helix, ljlane, LoRez, mentor, Netsnipe, TML, walters, xk: Megan| is asking for voice in #debian, please advise |
| 02:13.56 | helix | no, Megan| has been +q'ed in here and kickbanned from another channel |
| 02:14.17 | peterS | Megan|: I assume you caught that |
| 02:14.20 | helix | but I suppose it could be kickbanned from here too |
| 02:14.29 | helix | if not k-lined for harassing various ops already |
| 02:14.34 | bjenkins | does it have something to do with no initrd? |
| 02:14.36 | helix | Megan|: is this what you want? :) |
| 02:14.36 | asg | teh wrath of helix |
| 02:14.49 | helix | tsk, you cannot speak, so sad. go away. |
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| 02:15.18 | helix | peterS: did Megan| /msg you? |
| 02:15.23 | *** mode/#debian [+b *!*@ip70-179-8-161.sd.sd.cox.net] by dondelelcaro |
| 02:15.28 | peterS | helix: yes |
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| 02:15.42 | peterS | why it thought I was an op, I do not know, but I think I helped it with a question a few days ago |
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| 02:15.54 | NOTMEGAN | any idea what ate my consoles? |
| 02:15.58 | Ronin | you just have that look of an op peterS |
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| 02:16.27 | peterS | Ronin: hmmm. that old testament plague god look? |
| 02:16.43 | Ronin | something along those lines but i didnt want to say |
| 02:16.44 | asg | NOTMEGAN: look in your kernel src tree's .config for CONSOLE and make sure you have entries that are set to N for a start. |
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| 02:17.29 | NOTMEGAN | k, thnx |
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| 02:17.30 | asg | peterS: it's the remnats of loldude |
| 02:17.34 | peterS | asg: oh, I see |
| 02:17.45 | asg | s/remnats/remnants/ |
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| 02:17.54 | chealer | there's something I don't get about postscript. do postscript printers need PPD files? |
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| 02:18.05 | sussudio | o_o |
| 02:18.05 | caphuso | chealer: it helps |
| 02:18.10 | asg | NOTMEGAN: that is, turn the 'N' to 'Y' and see if that helps. |
| 02:18.11 | Ronin | well thats always fun in a channel this busy |
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| 02:18.28 | peterS | chealer: a PPD file describes the attributes of a printer. like '600 DPI, or it can do 300 DPI and use less toner. no color, but it does have a second paper tray." |
| 02:18.48 | caphuso | chealer: the ppd file contains things like what features the printer supports (resolution, draft mode, ...) |
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| 02:19.16 | peterS | chealer: it's used so the client program can pop up a GUI with checkboxes and stuff for things like 'which paper tray', and send an appropriate dialect of postscript |
| 02:20.26 | caphuso | asg: did it answer correctly? |
| 02:20.32 | strubbel | wth is the use of the dirs stack in bash? |
| 02:20.42 | asg | caphuso: no, but it did print out what I threw at it |
| 02:20.48 | NOTMEGAN | asg, shouldn't the CONFIG_VT_CONSOLE be set to y? |
| 02:20.52 | peterS | strubbel: you mean 'pushd' and 'popd'? you use them interactively |
| 02:20.55 | caphuso | asg: that's boring :) |
| 02:20.55 | asg | caphuso: it was very djb |
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| 02:21.17 | asg | NOTMEGAN: probably |
| 02:21.22 | strubbel | peterS: yes and dirs, but what its good for? |
| 02:21.26 | NOTMEGAN | vt vt_console and hw_console are all set to y |
| 02:21.28 | caphuso | i still want a setiathome client written in postscript so that i can run it on my printer |
| 02:21.35 | strubbel | peterS: i couldn't figure out |
| 02:21.35 | asg | caphuso: hehe |
| 02:21.45 | peterS | strubbel: I often use 'pushd' to go to a new directory and then 'popd' to come back to where I came from |
| 02:21.58 | peterS | strubbel: you can use 'cd -' to go to the last dir you were in, but that only works for one level |
| 02:22.04 | asg | NOTMEGAN: and UNIX98_PTYs=y ? |
| 02:22.28 | caphuso | peterS: i've aliased 1-7 to do that |
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| 02:22.44 | strubbel | peterS: aah, i tried something like cd $(dirs -p -1) without success |
| 02:23.01 | sanxiyn | peterS: I found the message from Anthony Towns for rationale for 3.0, but it was from 2001, not 2002. |
| 02:23.05 | sanxiyn | http://lists.debian.org/debian-devel-announce/2001/06/msg00014.html |
| 02:23.07 | peterS | strubbel: I've actually got a 'pd' function which runs 'pushd' if called with an argument, or 'popd' if not |
| 02:23.09 | NOTMEGAN | yes |
| 02:23.17 | Orcrist | where is a good howto on apt? |
| 02:23.18 | peterS | sanxiyn: ok, sorry for the bad information |
| 02:23.19 | NOTMEGAN | asg, yep |
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| 02:23.27 | asg | Orcrist: man apt-get |
| 02:23.31 | sanxiyn | peterS: Well, I just searched debian-devel-announce with author name. |
| 02:23.32 | cheale1 | Orcrist: the APT howto? |
| 02:23.35 | asg | Orcrist: and the apt howto at www.debian.org |
| 02:23.40 | Orcrist | lol duh |
| 02:23.41 | sanxiyn | peterS: It's not like debian-devel-announce is heavy traffic... |
| 02:23.43 | Orcrist | wasn't thinking |
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| 02:24.07 | peterS | sanxiyn: oh, that's also true |
| 02:24.29 | Orcrist | I usually just use synaptic and/or dpkg, but I'm building a system from scratch (base install first) so I don't have all the extra weight |
| 02:24.31 | asg | NOTMEGAN: maybe CONFIG_LEGACY_PTYS=y as well. Look at a working debian kernel's config (/boot/config-$(uname -r)) for an example. |
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| 02:24.53 | NOTMEGAN | ok |
| 02:24.56 | strubbel | peterS: so you can go back serval times, like an enhancement of cd -, but only backwards, nice :) |
| 02:25.06 | sanxiyn | peterS: That shows... Woody took >1 year to release from the freeze... |
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| 02:25.10 | sanxiyn | :( |
| 02:25.11 | peterS | strubbel: yes. but you have to use pushd (or in my case pd) all the time, instead of cd |
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| 02:25.36 | NOTMEGAN | legacy ptys is not set |
| 02:25.36 | asg | sanxiyn: you can't rush quality ;) |
| 02:25.36 | strubbel | peterS: yeah, i got it |
| 02:25.46 | MobyTurbo | sanxiyn: but on top of that Debian Stable has stability other distros could only dream of. |
| 02:25.51 | NOTMEGAN | i'll try that, thx |
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| 02:25.55 | asg | NOTMEGAN: okay |
| 02:25.56 | peterS | asg: quality, money, time, pick at most two |
| 02:26.03 | sanxiyn | Heh. |
| 02:26.15 | asg | peterS: hehe |
| 02:26.21 | Guerin | unlike most distros, who pick one |
| 02:26.26 | peterS | maybe that's not quite accurate |
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| 02:26.39 | peterS | more like, high quality, fast, cheap, pick at most two |
| 02:26.48 | phin | ok i have a question, im using wlan-ng's packages under the 2.4 kernel, and i had a few problems at first, but after i changed my /etc/network to wlan0, it worked, but i still get a failed tone when i plug in, even thou it works |
| 02:26.50 | asg | peterS: there are probably boundary cases that fit all three |
| 02:26.51 | phin | ow im wondering |
| 02:26.54 | Guerin | the canonical trio is good fast cheap, re cars |
| 02:27.11 | asg | Guerin: like mrs asg's mazda 323 |
| 02:27.13 | phin | now im wondering, should i remove the /etc/pcmcia/wireless and wireless.opts stuff since im no longer using the orinico drivers? |
| 02:27.40 | cafuego | asg: What colour? |
| 02:27.46 | asg | cafuego: redish |
| 02:27.47 | peterS | asg: well, if a task is fundamentally easier to achieve, the thresholds for the 'cheap' part and the 'fast' part get tighter |
| 02:27.51 | MobyTurbo | asg: does Mazda still make those Wankel Rotary sports cars? |
| 02:27.57 | Guerin | yes |
| 02:28.03 | Guerin | that's their trademark |
| 02:28.07 | asg | MobyTurbo: dunno, this is a '93 and still ticking |
| 02:28.11 | strubbel | peterS: you don't need a function for that, it's the default behaviour |
| 02:28.12 | asg | peterS: true |
| 02:28.28 | peterS | strubbel: for pushd to actually be popd if called without arguments? |
| 02:28.45 | MobyTurbo | asg: my step-mother likes mazdas, they do seem reliable. |
| 02:28.50 | strubbel | peterS: ah, yeah, silly me |
| 02:28.51 | asg | cafuego: looks like crap, sounds like it has a ricer farty muffler (because of some leak we can't find) and has a surprising bite off the line. |
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| 02:28.57 | cafuego | asg: I have a yellow '02 :-) |
| 02:29.00 | pipeline | How does one convince the initrd to admit that software RAID and LVM devices exist? |
| 02:29.04 | peterS | strubbel: also, I like the shorter form 'pd'. I use it too seldom as it is |
| 02:29.16 | asg | MobyTurbo: this one has been pretty good, I have to admit. But it's ugly as hell. |
| 02:29.21 | asg | cafuego: haha, nice. |
| 02:30.14 | MobyTurbo | asg: ugly isn't always bad. The BMW 2002 was an ugly car but did 0-60 in 6 with a four cylander(sp) engine. |
| 02:30.22 | asg | MobyTurbo: true |
| 02:30.46 | asg | MobyTurbo: this 323 can probably do 60 in 6 if you shift it optimally. |
| 02:30.54 | MobyTurbo | later beemers of course ended up being cheap mercedes. |
| 02:30.59 | asg | MobyTurbo: and I don't have the beer load in the boot. |
| 02:31.10 | dondelelcaro | MobyTurbo: hey, in the early 70s, the 2002 was a beauty |
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| 02:31.43 | MobyTurbo | dondelelcaro: it had a certain grace in an uber-functional way. |
| 02:32.03 | peterS | did kubrick make a movie about the 2002? |
| 02:32.05 | dondelelcaro | unfortunatly, I stopped being able to fit in the back of my father's at like age 4... but... |
| 02:32.25 | asg | peterS: yes but it was just a bunch of people walking in circles |
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| 02:32.30 | Cisyouc | Hi |
| 02:32.31 | CraigDun | I have a laptop with a centrino wireless card in it. I have the ipw2200 drivers working and can see the card in ifconfig and iwconfig. How can I set it up to work with my AP? Ive tried setting the parameters I need to, but no luck |
| 02:32.36 | sussudio | 2005: a badger odyssey |
| 02:32.41 | MobyTurbo | peterS: I think that was about an OS that went psycho because of its hardware abstraction layer. |
| 02:32.52 | peterS | MobyTurbo: oh yeah! I guess I did see that one |
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| 02:33.16 | peterS | MobyTurbo: I knew it had a HAL in it somewhere |
| 02:33.27 | Cisyouc | Can anyone tell me if under normal circumstances, should the default 2.4.27-1-386 kernel image and headers compile and work with acx100 without any kernel modifications? |
| 02:33.27 | asg | CraigDun: does 'iwlist <interface> scan' list your ip? if not, are you broadcasting your SSID? If so, are you using WEP? |
| 02:33.42 | asg | s/ip?/AP?/ |
| 02:34.15 | sussudio | asg: boney m? |
| 02:34.29 | asg | sussudio: oooh oooh, night flight to venus! |
| 02:34.42 | Cisyouc | no one knows? :/ |
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| 02:34.53 | sussudio | hurray hurray it's badgerholiday |
| 02:35.05 | MobyTurbo | !badger |
| 02:35.43 | CraigDun | asg: it shows 3 access points including the one I want to connect to. I am using WEP and have put the key in for it. It shows the SSID for the AP i want to connect to. I dont see an IP anywhere |
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| 02:36.04 | asg | CraigDun: the 'ip' was a mistake on my part; I meant AP. |
| 02:36.19 | CraigDun | asg: ah |
| 02:36.25 | MobyTurbo | hey, how do you get dpkg to do that badgerbadger thing? |
| 02:36.29 | asg | CraigDun: if the AP is open, see if 'iwconfig <interface> key open' doesn't help |
| 02:36.50 | asg | MobyTurbo: /msg dpkg listkeys <keyword(s)> |
| 02:36.50 | peterS | MobyTurbo: call it up from your irc logs and drool over it in private? |
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| 02:37.01 | MobyTurbo | heh |
| 02:37.11 | MobyTurbo | we were talking about badgers. |
| 02:37.22 | Nark | hey guys.. |
| 02:37.25 | peterS | that just means sussudio is around |
| 02:37.26 | asg | MobyTurbo: badgers are verboten in #debian |
| 02:37.31 | sussudio | nein |
| 02:37.34 | Mask | when I search for "kernel-source" packages with apt, I see that it says some have "Debian patches". I want to use 2.6.10, but there is no package with "debian patches" listed, would I be better off using 2.6.10 anyway or using a debian 2.6.8? |
| 02:37.38 | sussudio | !dachs asg |
| 02:37.39 | dpkg | asg: Dachs Dachs Dachs Dachs Dachs Dachs Pilz Pilz Dachs Dachs Dachs Dachs Dachs Schlange! Eine Schlange! |
| 02:37.47 | asg | sussudio: haha |
| 02:37.59 | Mask | as in, there is no 2.6.10 kernel source package at all |
| 02:38.04 | sussudio | http://home.wanadoo.nl/sussudio/badgers.jpg |
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| 02:38.30 | nvz | is there a kde based package manager |
| 02:38.33 | CraigDun | asg: that didnt help |
| 02:38.36 | asg | nvz: kpackage |
| 02:38.42 | nvz | eww |
| 02:38.43 | nvz | heh |
| 02:38.56 | CraigDun | asg: It says Link Quality:0 in iwconfig |
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| 02:39.02 | Cisyouc | http://www.weebls-stuff.com/toons/21/ |
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| 02:39.11 | Nark | hey guys, anyone want to help/point a newbie in the right direction of getting his kernel updated? |
| 02:39.20 | sussudio | !tell Nark about faq |
| 02:39.24 | asg | CraigDun: hmmm |
| 02:40.00 | asg | CraigDun: well, I'd start by turning all wep and other stuff off on your AP and seeing if you can get that working. |
| 02:40.00 | Lordthundering | good morning guys. I'm in deep trouble with my mailserver.. it's a postfix system, (debian sarge), and randomly from time to time, the postfix just stops sending mail. only clue i got (i got no real error messages) is that when i try to send mail using "mail" i get an error about /tmp beeing full.. |
| 02:40.07 | CraigDun | on my dlink router i have the key setup to be shared key |
| 02:40.31 | asg | Lordthundering: is the filesystem on which /tmp resides in fact full? |
| 02:40.46 | asg | Lordthundering: how about inodes? |
| 02:40.46 | Lordthundering | kernel 2.6.9, i forgot to add, maybe... oh, and obviously, /tmp is not anywhere near full. in fact, it's /, and hase about 70% open |
| 02:41.03 | Cisyouc | Does anyone know if acx100 will work on debian (sarge) 2.4.27-1-386 default kernel image and headers? |
| 02:41.05 | Lordthundering | asg: good call.. how do i check that... |
| 02:41.07 | asg | Lordthundering: and df -i |
| 02:42.04 | Lordthundering | asg: but still, it's a low volume system (about 300 mails a day) so there should not be an inode problem.. |
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| 02:42.13 | Lordthundering | and a reboot helps temporarly.. |
| 02:42.28 | asg | Lordthundering: shouldn't be but worth checking just in case (df -i) |
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| 02:43.00 | cheale1 | !faq |
| 02:43.00 | dpkg | The #debian FAQ is at http://www.linuks.mine.nu/debian-faq/ |
| 02:43.02 | Lordthundering | asg: of course i will check tomorrow wehn i'm back at the machine.. |
| 02:43.12 | cheale1 | that faq is getting badly outdated |
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| 02:43.33 | Lordthundering | asg: any other ideas? |
| 02:43.35 | asg | Lordthundering: otherwise, I'd consult #postfix or ask again here (I'm not a postfix user so can't say more) |
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| 02:44.06 | BBearr | Hello |
| 02:44.08 | nvz | !find kpackage |
| 02:44.11 | asg | cheale1: the faq was previously a wiki (which is having issues). It will be fixed in time. |
| 02:44.11 | nvz | er |
| 02:44.11 | dpkg | kpackage: (KDE Software package tool), section admin, is optional. Version: 4:3.3.2-1 (sid), Packaged size: 558 kB, Installed size: 1204 kB |
| 02:44.16 | mdh | Lordthundering: postfix runs chrooted, is perhaps the filesystem with the chroot environment full? |
| 02:44.25 | cheale1 | asg: yeah I was wondering...good to know |
| 02:44.31 | nvz | that was suppose to be a message, and I am looking for the location of the kpackage binary |
| 02:44.37 | nvz | heh |
| 02:44.39 | nvz | damn it |
| 02:44.48 | asg | cheale1: the wiki is currently advertising casinos and places to find nekid chicks. |
| 02:44.56 | abrotman | yay |
| 02:44.57 | Lordthundering | mdh: my postfix is not chrooted, for sasl means etc... |
| 02:45.01 | abrotman | toresbe will love it |
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| 02:45.12 | asg | cheale1: once tarzeau fixes it, you are welcome to make any addenda. |
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| 02:45.17 | Lordthundering | mdh: and none of the fs is anywhere near full |
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| 02:45.41 | cheale1 | asg: I'm already working on wiki.debian.net :) |
| 02:45.53 | CraigDunford | asg: I disabled WEP and I got a connection, but I still dont have network access |
| 02:45.53 | asg | cheale1: ah, I'll shut up then |
| 02:45.58 | cheale1 | so many wikis, so few decades |
| 02:46.17 | mdh | Lordthundering: anyhow that error is from 'mail' and not postfix. First, check postfix's logs, it uses syslog so probably you'll want to read mail.log and mail.err for starters |
| 02:46.44 | asg | CraigDunford: does /var/log/syslog indicate you got an IP? does 'netstat -rn' show correct routes? does /etc/resolv.conf have nameservers that are sane? |
| 02:46.48 | Lordthundering | mdh: that's the point. mail.log and mail.err don't tell me jack.. |
| 02:47.20 | Lordthundering | mdh: only error i get is a "defered" from time to time "could not connect to localhost" |
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| 02:49.27 | CraigDunford | asg: Everything looks good. I have IPs and gateways setup statically. Is there anyway that the network is trying to use eth0 instead of eth1 to access the internet? |
| 02:49.30 | paolo | hi *. I have just installed the driver from nvidia-kernel-source. It works fine except when I use glx stuff (like glxinfo). In that case it would just crash. nvidia-glx is brand new |
| 02:49.30 | mdh | Lordthundering: are you perhaps being screwed over by the fact you've un-chrooted everything? |
| 02:49.43 | mdh | Lordthundering: btw, I use SASL also and still run postfix chrooted |
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| 02:50.27 | chealer | paolo: are you sure it won't do that in redmond too? |
| 02:50.34 | asg | CraigDunford: netstat -rn would indicate what the routing should be |
| 02:50.44 | paolo | chealer: what is redmond? |
| 02:50.59 | asg | CraigDunford: can you ping 166.82.1.3? (for example) |
| 02:51.00 | lakcaj | Hi. Is there much of a difference between aptitude and synaptic, besides the whole curses vs gtk thing? |
| 02:51.10 | chealer | paolo: I should have said binboze or another way to avoid saying Micr*s*ft |
| 02:51.31 | chealer | oh yeah |
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| 02:51.44 | paolo | chealer: it used to work fine before ... with linux. I don't have windows |
| 02:51.48 | Lordthundering | mdh: idk if the chroot does so much to it.. and i can't do it by any ease, as it's all about pam, saslauthd and ldap ... |
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| 02:52.02 | paolo | chealer: it only happened after I upgraded nvidia module |
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| 02:52.13 | chealer | paolo: well, when that problem happened to me, the issue was that my GPU fan was stuck. |
| 02:52.15 | CraigDunford | asg: I took eth0 down and now I get connect: Network is unreachable from ping and The connection was refused when attempting to contact www.yahoo.com from mozilla |
| 02:52.16 | sanxiyn | paolo: Michael Redmond is an American pro 9 dan in the game of Go. |
| 02:52.19 | sanxiyn | (Unique) |
| 02:52.29 | MobyTurbo | lakcaj: synaptic doesn't get "reccomended" packages, it's like apt-get. aptitude does, it's like dselect in that regard. |
| 02:52.33 | asg | CraigDunford: now that eth0 is down, what does netstat -rn show? |
| 02:52.35 | chealer | paolo: ok then it might be a different problem. is it absolutely instant? |
| 02:52.36 | paolo | sanxiyn thanks for informing me... but that doesn't help me :-) |
| 02:52.46 | paolo | chealer few second later... so i guess yes |
| 02:52.47 | uGexe | where does xwindows try and load video drivers from |
| 02:52.48 | sanxiyn | paolo: More info here: http://senseis.xmp.net/?MichaelRedmond |
| 02:52.58 | mdh | Lordthundering: postfix really expects to run chrooted, for security reasons. I'm just wondering if that "cannot connect to localhost" is a result of it not running chrooted but still attempting to talk to a socket etc in a chrooted dir, which then no longer exists |
| 02:53.05 | paolo | sanxiyn do you know that I like ice cream a lot |
| 02:53.09 | CraigDunford | 192.168.28.0 0.0.0.0 255.255.255.0 U 0 0 0 eth1 |
| 02:53.11 | mdh | Lordthundering: thought I would expect it to fail all the time, not just sometimes, if this was the case |
| 02:53.20 | sanxiyn | paolo: That's wonderful. |
| 02:53.31 | Lordthundering | mdh: that's what i thought |
| 02:53.38 | asg | CraigDunford: no gateway? |
| 02:53.44 | Lordthundering | and it has been running smoothly for maybe three months |
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| 02:53.49 | lakcaj | MobyTurbo, ok. I used to just use apt-get, but I read that aptitude will remove deps properly when removing apps. I've installed Debian on my fathers laptop, since he wants to start experimenting with Linux, but wasn't sure if I should start him with aptitude or synaptic. |
| 02:53.54 | chealer | paolo: it took a few seconds for me too. what does your crash look like exactly? you can try in several apps to get a better idea. in my case it was quickly slowing down, then freezing |
| 02:53.55 | CraigDunford | asg: 0.0.0.0 |
| 02:53.56 | paolo | anyway my question is where can I find logs to track the problem? XFree86.0 is not very useful |
| 02:54.14 | paolo | chealer: it happened also with glxgears --fps |
| 02:54.14 | MobyTurbo | lakcaj: sometimes aptitude is too agressive about removing things, it's buggy that way. |
| 02:54.19 | asg | CraigDunford: the line you just pasted is for the subnet, not a UG gateway |
| 02:54.20 | mdh | Lordthundering: what did "df -i" tell you? |
| 02:54.21 | chealer | paolo: me too |
| 02:54.24 | paolo | chealer: it just crashes X |
| 02:54.31 | paolo | chealer what was the solution for you? |
| 02:54.34 | asg | CraigDunford: try 'ifdown eth0 ; ifdown eth1 ; ifup eth1' |
| 02:54.38 | paolo | chealer in my case it would just restart gdm |
| 02:54.41 | chealer | paolo: and you get back to console without need to reboot? |
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| 02:54.51 | chealer | paolo: ok that's different from me then |
| 02:54.55 | paolo | chealer yes, if I start from console |
| 02:55.03 | Lordthundering | mdh: as said before, i'm not at the machine right now, i'm just trying to get some clues |
| 02:55.23 | Lordthundering | i will try that first thing tomorrow morning |
| 02:55.36 | Glitch | Since I previously lost my computer to my mother (damn her and her email! >.<), I will now restate my problem. |
| 02:55.39 | CraigDunford | asg: do u mean ifconfig eth0 down |
| 02:55.48 | CraigDunford | asg: ifdown gives me some error |
| 02:56.04 | asg | CraigDunford: well, in debian, ifup / ifdown control interfaces defined in /etc/network/interfaces |
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| 02:56.23 | asg | CraigDunford: if you are manually hacking things with ifconfig, that's different |
| 02:56.32 | mdh | Lordthundering: you can tell saslauthd (I think its the -m switch) to talk to a socket inside postfix's chroot |
| 02:56.33 | lakcaj | MobyTurbo, hrmmm.... then do you suggest I just show him how to "apt-get install" and "apt-get remove" to start? |
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| 02:56.52 | CraigDunford | asg: ifdown says SIOCDELRT: No such process |
| 02:57.12 | asg | CraigDunford: are your interfaces configured in /etc/network/interfaces? |
| 02:57.19 | CraigDunford | asg: dont know |
| 02:57.22 | mdh | Lordthundering: fix /etc/default/saslauthd's PARAMS= option to make it the default, then you can chroot the postfix stuff again |
| 02:57.26 | asg | CraigDunford: have a look |
| 02:57.38 | Lordthundering | mdh: okay, i'll look into that... |
| 02:57.40 | MobyTurbo | lakcaj: that depends upon his level of competance. |
| 02:57.43 | Lordthundering | mdh: that's already done.. |
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| 02:58.06 | JRWR | i get this error in Featherlinux (based off knoppix) when i try to install a deb pkg dpkg: unable to access dpkg status area: No such file or directory im in root alreay |
| 02:58.09 | CraigDunford | asg: theyre both there |
| 02:58.19 | Glitch | The free space in my mp3 player (removable flash-based storage device with vfat for filesystem type) won't change when deleting and such. The system doesn't recognize it. It's locked on the same value that it has had since I first accessed it under Debian! I've tried umounting and mounting (resulting in errors and thus even using different device names to access it), and I've tried the sync command, though the former thing would ov |
| 02:58.19 | Glitch | errule that. |
| 02:58.34 | MobyTurbo | !based-on-debian |
| 02:58.40 | mdh | Lordthundering: postfix has very good logs, I think you can bump up the log level also from what debian defaults it to. It can get down to the point of tracing roughly where in the code pipeline it is at each point of the SMTP transaction :) |
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| 02:58.46 | chealer | paolo: you said that didn't happen before; are you sure what package's upgrade brings the problem? |
| 02:58.55 | asg | CraigDunford: okay, did 'ifdown eth0' give you the error? if so, ignore it since you said you took it down. Drop eth1 (ifdown eth1) and try to bring it back up (ifup eth1) |
| 02:59.14 | MobyTurbo | !tell JRWR about based on Debian |
| 02:59.15 | lakcaj | MobyTurbo, :) Well, he is very competent, however he is also very new to Linux. What do you think would be the "safest" solution at first? I'm guessing apt-get? |
| 02:59.15 | asg | JRWR: ask #featherlinux |
| 02:59.37 | CraigDunford | asg: bingo she works |
| 02:59.42 | paolo | chealer the problem is that I was not using debian drivers before... I uninstalled nvidia stuff and I installed nvidia-kernel-source nvidia-kernel-common and nvidia-glx |
| 02:59.43 | CraigDunford | asg: now trying to make wep work |
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| 02:59.52 | Lordthundering | mdh: yeah.. that was what i wanted to do next... thanks a bunch man, you gave me some very good hints.. |
| 03:00.00 | simonrvn | whomever told jrl to /msg me is going to get a masive LART |
| 03:00.00 | asg | CraigDunford: cool |
| 03:00.12 | asg | simonrvn: it wasn't me, I assure you |
| 03:00.27 | simonrvn | asg: you wouldn't, i know that |
| 03:00.28 | MobyTurbo | lakcaj: synpatic if he's uncomfortable with the command prompt, apt-get is OK if not. If you know how to use apt-get you can use aptitude in those cases when you need it. (Meta-package installations you might remove it's very helpful.) |
| 03:00.33 | asg | simonrvn: :) |
| 03:00.38 | chealer | paolo: yeah...maybe you should test if the latest nvidia-installer is as bad |
| 03:00.53 | paolo | chealer ok now it works... I reinstalled nvidia-glx... |
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| 03:01.00 | paolo | chealer thanks for your help, anyway |
| 03:01.01 | Lordthundering | okay guys, thanks for your help, and see you soon :-) |
| 03:01.02 | Lordthundering | nite |
| 03:01.05 | MobyTurbo | lakcaj: also if you go with apt-get, teach him about apt-cache |
| 03:01.20 | paolo | chealer i think that --uninstall didn't do a good job |
| 03:01.23 | chealer | paolo: well. no problem :) |
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| 03:01.35 | Glitch | ...I feel ignored. |
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| 03:01.37 | chealer | paolo: there's a purge option I think |
| 03:02.04 | paolo | chealer no I was talking about the nvidia driver |
| 03:02.31 | code | how can i get xmms to play a file? |
| 03:02.33 | chealer | paolo: yeah...I know but don't know why you say me that :) |
| 03:02.43 | chealer | xmms: open it? |
| 03:02.54 | lakcaj | MobyTurbo, ok... thanks for your help. |
| 03:02.54 | code | it says my sound card cant |
| 03:03.34 | MobyTurbo | lakcaj: np |
| 03:03.34 | chealer | code: well, just xmms or all audio apps? |
| 03:03.34 | asg | simonrvn: well, it wasn't anyone in here (at least since 7am EST today) |
| 03:03.34 | dvs | code: What is the error message exactly? |
| 03:03.34 | code | all apps |
| 03:03.34 | chealer | code: strange way to ask about an issue to mention xmms |
| 03:04.03 | code | im new to this...im just trying to get my sound to work |
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| 03:04.25 | ^m0se5 | I have my ip set static in /etc/network/interface but it grabs the dhcp info every hour or so I guess. How do I make it ignore dhcp? |
| 03:04.26 | asg | code: /msg dpkg sound |
| 03:04.51 | code | what is that? |
| 03:04.56 | asg | ^m0se5: ps ax | grep dhcp |
| 03:04.57 | cafuego | ^m0se5: if it uses dhcp you have dhcp set in interfaces |
| 03:05.04 | dvs | code: type it |
| 03:05.14 | code | in here? |
| 03:05.15 | asg | ^m0se5: if something is running as a dhcp client, kill it |
| 03:05.20 | dvs | code: yes |
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| 03:05.25 | asg | code: type that in your irc client (/msg dpkg sound) |
| 03:05.54 | Glitch | Is there somebody here who's actually willing to help me, or am I just asking questions with no real purpose for doing so? |
| 03:05.55 | MobyTurbo | code: dpkg is our info-bot and assorted mischief enabler |
| 03:06.02 | syslogd_ | Kcalc does not have a sqr root function??? |
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| 03:06.13 | asg | syslogd_: #debian-kde would know |
| 03:06.19 | Blitx | Well I give up on Debian |
| 03:06.20 | cafuego | Glitch: yes |
| 03:06.24 | Glitch | Oh.. good.. |
| 03:06.31 | chealer | syslogd_: it does. use inv |
| 03:06.35 | Glitch | cafuego is still alive... I should have noticed. |
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| 03:06.37 | Blitx | it didn't like my box |
| 03:06.38 | toresbe | Glitch: If someone knew the answer, they'd step up and tell you |
| 03:06.45 | Glitch | cafuego, are you already familiar with my problem? |
| 03:06.49 | ^m0se5 | asg, 16665 pts/3 S+ 0:00 grep dhcp |
| 03:06.50 | code | ok ....how do i do this now? |
| 03:06.55 | dvs | Blitx: And you used the sarge installer? |
| 03:06.56 | toresbe | I have a neat idea for a screensaver |
| 03:07.01 | jcarr | heheheh |
| 03:07.02 | cafuego | Glitch: No, but I wasn't answering that aprt of your question <heh> |
| 03:07.04 | asg | ^m0se5: that's it? |
| 03:07.09 | toresbe | a 3d model of a 1960s data center |
| 03:07.13 | cg0def | how can I specify options for kernel modules so that the options are used at boot up? |
| 03:07.14 | ^m0se5 | asg yup |
| 03:07.18 | Glitch | ...Oh. |
| 03:07.18 | toresbe | with tapedrives and - and - and - and |
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| 03:07.19 | Glitch | -_- |
| 03:07.35 | asg | ^m0se5: well, that's odd. How about 'ps ax | grep dhcl' |
| 03:07.36 | Blitx | dvs, yeah |
| 03:07.43 | asg | ^m0se5: looking for dhclient |
| 03:07.48 | asg | ^m0se5: also grep for pump |
| 03:07.58 | chealer | code: do what? |
| 03:08.00 | dvs | Blitx: Then I'd give up too if the new installer can't help. |
| 03:08.09 | asg | toresbe: I go to work, I have a fullscale model of a 60s data center. |
| 03:08.17 | Blitx | dvs, actually, the Woody installer was more sucessful |
| 03:08.19 | code | it took me to thing |
| 03:08.19 | cafuego | asg: See 'pump'. |
| 03:08.22 | toresbe | asg: ooooooh, do tell |
| 03:08.23 | code | what do i do? |
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| 03:08.37 | toresbe | asg: hardware highlights include...? |
| 03:08.37 | Blitx | dvs, I downloaded Sarge and it didn't even install X or KDE/Gnome |
| 03:08.49 | dvs | Blitx: Then install it afterwards. |
| 03:08.49 | syslogd_ | ooops. Kcalc does have sqr root. Press invert first then sqr becomes sqr root. |
| 03:08.59 | ^m0se5 | asg, I do have dhclient running. no pump tho |
| 03:09.09 | cafuego | Glitch: I see. Have you run 'fsck ' on it? |
| 03:09.10 | asg | toresbe: printers and reel to reels oh my. Sun won't warranty our 6800 because of all the chaff the printers generate. |
| 03:09.12 | simonrvn | jrl: /join #debianppc |
| 03:09.25 | asg | ^m0se5: then kill dhclient, find out what is starting it (and kill that) |
| 03:09.28 | toresbe | asg: holy |
| 03:09.29 | Glitch | cafuego: No. |
| 03:09.35 | toresbe | asg: ...meep |
| 03:09.36 | Blitx | dvs, I did, but it didn't work right. I always had to login at console, the machine was slow until I added a new line into my hosts file, DNS wouldn't work, and I couldn't switch to KDE--startx just launched gnome |
| 03:09.43 | Blitx | dvs, so I gave up |
| 03:09.46 | cafuego | Glitch: Wouldn't that be a REALLY obvious thing to do? |
| 03:09.56 | toresbe | asg: What sort of machines are the reel-to-reels hooked up to? |
| 03:10.05 | cafuego | toresbe: bicycles |
| 03:10.11 | asg | toresbe: it's ugly. Mostly though, we've replaced the older hardware with an s/390 a 4 full dell racks, the 6800, and 3 blade racks + san + UPS fun |
| 03:10.27 | dvs | Blitx: The console login and DNS stuff is easy to fix. I dont use KDE though. |
| 03:10.27 | Blitx | dvs, but I managed to install using the next best thing to debian itself--Knoppix went on OK...maybe some of that legendary stability will still exist in this system |
| 03:10.40 | MobyTurbo | asg: where are you located? |
| 03:10.41 | asg | toresbe: nothing, just taking up space till we need it |
| 03:10.43 | asg | MobyTurbo: NC |
| 03:10.52 | toresbe | asg: Are they IBMs? |
| 03:10.59 | Glitch | cafuego: It only lists general details. However, I have found a problem. It indicates that there are 54 files on the device. If that includes directories, it is still too many. There are less than 20 dirs and less than 30 files. However, the device IS properly mounted. |
| 03:10.59 | cafuego | Blitx: #knoppix is thatta thatta way --> |
| 03:11.03 | toresbe | asg: Like, 3402 drives? |
| 03:11.05 | jcarr | anyone here try installing quicken 2005? |
| 03:11.11 | MobyTurbo | asg: that's interesting, my dad and mom are UNC-CH grads. |
| 03:11.19 | code | what is modconf? |
| 03:11.22 | MobyTurbo | asg: and my sister |
| 03:11.23 | Blitx | cafuego, I am here to talk about my debian experience |
| 03:11.24 | asg | toresbe: that I don't know offhand |
| 03:11.31 | chealer | code: a console command |
| 03:11.35 | jcarr | I cant seem to get it to work.. the installer keeps complaining it cant find the skuMap (?) but installs anyway |
| 03:11.40 | code | how do i run it? |
| 03:11.41 | asg | MobyTurbo: interesting, I studied Philosophy there some time back |
| 03:11.42 | toresbe | asg: man, I dream of reel-to-reel drives at night :P |
| 03:11.47 | chealer | code: you type it |
| 03:11.53 | code | where? |
| 03:11.55 | cafuego | Blitx: if you're not RUNNING debian and not GOING to run debian, why would we care? |
| 03:11.57 | dvs | Blitx: Actually, getting the system to start KDE is easy if you can login to X. |
| 03:11.59 | asg | toresbe: I know, you have the PDP kit |
| 03:12.21 | resiak | Blitx: su -c 'apt-get install gdm' would have fixed the console login. |
| 03:12.21 | chealer | code: in console (try konsole, K menu, system). you could use some reading |
| 03:12.24 | toresbe | asg: yeah, but that's not the full 9-track experience :P |
| 03:12.30 | asg | MobyTurbo: oh, you meant Chapel Hill, sorry. I went to UNCC (south and shittier but cheaper) |
| 03:12.31 | dvs | resiak: Yup, you're right |
| 03:12.32 | cafuego | Glitch: unmount it, force fsck to run. |
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| 03:12.37 | toresbe | asg: They have the direct-access tape system DECtape |
| 03:12.39 | Blitx | cafuego, because this is just a test system--I'm trying to get Debian to work before it goes on my real computer |
| 03:12.50 | Blitx | cafuego, so far, I've been unsucessful |
| 03:12.54 | MobyTurbo | asg: C = Charlette? |
| 03:12.55 | cg0def | how can I specify options for a module? |
| 03:12.57 | dvs | Blitx: Then gdm would have been able to switch to KDE at startup. |
| 03:13.00 | resiak | Blitx: If however you liked the kernel login, you could echo startkde > ~/.Xsession (I think). |
| 03:13.01 | asg | toresbe: as soon as I get a digital camera that doesn't break when taking pictures of my cats, I'll take some shots for ya |
| 03:13.02 | cafuego | Blitx: WHich part was unsuccessful? |
| 03:13.04 | asg | MobyTurbo: yes |
| 03:13.09 | resiak | Blitx: Whereupon startx would have started KDE. |
| 03:13.20 | toresbe | asg: thankyouthankyouthankyouthankyou |
| 03:13.25 | toresbe | :P |
| 03:13.43 | dvs | cafuego: 1) can't login to X 2) Can start KDE |
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| 03:13.45 | Blitx | lemme write some of these things into a text file |
| 03:14.06 | Glitch | cafuego: What will forcing fsck to run accomplish if the device is not mounted? It can't check/repair it if it isn't there... |
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| 03:14.07 | resiak | Blitx: So far we've solved all of the problems that you hadn't in about 30 seconds. |
| 03:14.09 | asg | toresbe: http://gimp.shacknet.nu/cats/webster/webster-couch-4.jpg (after I took that series, the camera crapped out.) |
| 03:14.11 | cafuego | So a borken KDM. yeah. Use GDM. |
| 03:14.30 | dvs | cafuego: 3) Also, DNS wasn't correct. |
| 03:14.31 | MobyTurbo | asg: interesting. If my Dad hadn't gotten a National Merit scholarship he probably would have gone to Applachia rather than UNC-CH. |
| 03:14.49 | ^m0se5 | asg, How do you figure I stop running dhclient at boot? |
| 03:14.58 | cafuego | Glitch: Running fsck on a mounted device will BREAK IT TO BUGGERY. |
| 03:15.01 | Blitx | geeze, you folks weren't this helpful a couple nights ago--better crowd today |
| 03:15.06 | asg | MobyTurbo: I considered it too but UNCC was close and I had to pay for it (still paying for it :/) myself. |
| 03:15.13 | cafuego | Glitch: NEVER EVER RUN FSCK ON A MOUNTED FILESYSTEM!!! |
| 03:15.16 | resiak | Blitx: I remember you. |
| 03:15.17 | Blitx | what about the DNS issues though? |
| 03:15.20 | unco | anyone able to point me in the direction of a system ldap authentication process? I want to be able to both use ldap to a windows DC and auth for web logons as well as on a different machine be able to use ldap to authenticate for a radius server (cisco -> radiusd -> windows DC) |
| 03:15.25 | jcarr | Blitx, welcome to the wonderful world of linux :) |
| 03:15.28 | asg | ^m0se5: I'd start by 'grep -ilr dhclient /etc/init.d' |
| 03:15.29 | sussudio | in soviet russia, filesystem fscks you |
| 03:15.31 | cafuego | Glitch: Now, unmount it (but don't unplug it) and run fsck on /dev/whatever. |
| 03:15.34 | Glitch | cafuego: I know this. However, when the device isn't mounted, it doesn't exist at all. How can I force fsck to do it anyway? |
| 03:15.49 | jcarr | where people will scream and hollar at you for asking something that you quite obviously dont know or understant |
| 03:15.52 | jcarr | er, understand |
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| 03:15.55 | FieldySnuts | @lart sussudio |
| 03:15.58 | Glitch | cafuego: Oh.. Nevermind. :P |
| 03:16.00 | dvs | Blitx: Edit your /etc/resolv.conf file |
| 03:16.01 | sussudio | !fist FieldySnuts |
| 03:16.05 | FieldySnuts | ... |
| 03:16.09 | Xenguy | sussudio: in the USSA, the gov't fscks you =) |
| 03:16.19 | Glitch | cafuego: Would it list errors if there were any? |
| 03:16.21 | dvs | USSA? |
| 03:16.24 | cafuego | Glitch: yep |
| 03:16.26 | sussudio | USSR? |
| 03:16.30 | Glitch | cafuego: None. |
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| 03:16.35 | peterS | dvs: yeah, presumably he was punning on 'ussr' |
| 03:16.40 | cafuego | Glitch: did you _force_ it. |
| 03:16.56 | Blitx | I can manually set some DNS servers in there? |
| 03:16.56 | Xenguy | it's kind of like Amerika :P |
| 03:16.57 | jcarr | CCCP |
| 03:17.00 | Glitch | cafuego: ...What's the parameter? |
| 03:17.05 | cafuego | Glitch: man fsck |
| 03:17.10 | asg | MobyTurbo: sadly, the scholarships in Philosophy, even for Academy of American Scholars, is almost non-existant at the undergraduate level. |
| 03:17.26 | Glitch | cafuego: You DO know that the man files for these things don't usually list the more useful parameters for commands... |
| 03:17.32 | Glitch | Yes? |
| 03:17.40 | MobyTurbo | asg: that is, if it can be proven that the scholarships don't exist. |
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| 03:18.07 | Glitch | Pardon me. That was bullshit spewing from my mouth at an alarming rate. |
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| 03:18.16 | asg | MobyTurbo: well, I'm pretty sure I received a $700 Chick-Fil-A scholarship so that at least existed ... I think. |
| 03:18.18 | resiak | Glitch: I was about to paste you lines of manpages :) |
| 03:18.19 | dvs | Blitx: Yes, you can manually set the DNS servers there. |
| 03:18.27 | Blitx | cool |
| 03:18.32 | dvs | Blitx: Make sure that dhclient isn't running though. |
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| 03:18.34 | Blitx | I think those were the main problems |
| 03:18.36 | HeLL0wEeN | hello |
| 03:18.38 | MobyTurbo | asg: heh |
| 03:18.44 | HeLL0wEeN | System.map-2.6.9-2-386 boot.0303 map |
| 03:18.44 | HeLL0wEeN | boot-bmp.b boot.b os2_d.b |
| 03:18.44 | HeLL0wEeN | boot-compat.b chain.b vmlinuz-2.6.9-2-386 |
| 03:18.44 | HeLL0wEeN | boot-menu.b config-2.6.9-2-386 |
| 03:18.44 | HeLL0wEeN | boot-text.b initrd.img-2.6.9-2-386 |
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| 03:18.48 | cg0def | can someone help me with device permissions? |
| 03:18.48 | resiak | Boom. |
| 03:18.49 | HeLL0wEeN | hello |
| 03:18.55 | cafuego | HeLL0wEeN: Stop pasting |
| 03:18.56 | HeLL0wEeN | i installed kernel 2.6 & lilo |
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| 03:18.57 | asg | HeLL0wEeN: thank you for pasting /boot at us |
| 03:19.01 | HeLL0wEeN | and same error |
| 03:19.03 | HeLL0wEeN | asg np lol |
| 03:19.27 | HeLL0wEeN | why that open again 2.4.27 kernel? |
| 03:19.27 | MobyTurbo | !lol |
| 03:19.27 | dpkg | it has been said that lol is Loser On Line, good work, you've just added your name to the ever-growing #debian LOL List. |
| 03:19.27 | sussudio | !fuck HeLL0wEeN |
| 03:19.27 | HeLL0wEeN | i installed 2.6 and lilo |
| 03:19.27 | dvs | Blitx: Just make sure you get X working before you install gdm. |
| 03:19.27 | strubbel | good nite -\- |
| 03:19.29 | sussudio | ttnet... |
| 03:19.30 | asg | HeLL0wEeN: you didn't configure lilo to use another kernel by default? |
| 03:19.31 | HeLL0wEeN | /sbin/lilo everything's super |
| 03:19.32 | HeLL0wEeN | and? |
| 03:19.38 | HeLL0wEeN | lol i confiured it? |
| 03:19.56 | asg | HeLL0wEeN: does /vmlinuz and /initrd.img point to relevant 2.6 things in /boot? |
| 03:19.58 | Glitch | cafuego: Alright. I ran it with -y. Still, if there were errors, why wouldn't it list them? o.O |
| 03:20.03 | sussudio | in soviet russia, headache gets you? |
| 03:20.10 | HeLL0wEeN | hmmm |
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| 03:20.13 | sussudio | asg: or beer. |
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| 03:20.14 | Blitx | dvs, that shouldn't be a big issue--last time all I had to do was use tasksel and do an xf86config |
| 03:20.18 | asg | MobyTurbo: it's been perma-sunday here today |
| 03:20.19 | zorpit | I'm installing debian on an old, old laptop that doesn't have a CDROM, and I'm a bit hesitant to scrounge around for the ~20 disks to do a floppy install... would there be any way to bootstrap enough junk to get a serial-crossover-cable install to happen? |
| 03:20.24 | HeLL0wEeN | asg lol i didnt do it /initrd.img |
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| 03:20.27 | HeLL0wEeN | not links |
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| 03:20.32 | resiak | The Eternal Sunday Of The Spotless Mind? |
| 03:20.35 | HeLL0wEeN | just /boot/initrd.img.kernel2.6 |
| 03:20.36 | HeLL0wEeN | ? |
| 03:20.46 | asg | resiak: s/spotless/spotty, definitely spotty/ |
| 03:20.58 | simonrvn | no, worse |
| 03:21.01 | cafuego | Glitch: fsck.vfat -f -r -v -V |
| 03:21.04 | simonrvn | damn load... |
| 03:21.09 | simonrvn | wrecks my timing |
| 03:21.31 | Glitch | cafuego: Nevermind. I found the problem. The drive was assigned a trash folder. |
| 03:21.39 | cafuego | !slap Glitch |
| 03:21.41 | simonrvn | MobyTurbo: that "no, worse" was in reply to your calendar statement |
| 03:21.45 | sussudio | !pig Glitch |
| 03:21.46 | dpkg | Get up, Glitch boy. I bet you can squeal. I bet you can squeal like a pig. |
| 03:21.50 | HeLL0wEeN | sussudio |
| 03:22.00 | Glitch | cafuego: How was I to know?! I figured it'd just delete them... |
| 03:22.14 | HeLL0wEeN | lol fuck your parents bitch who are you??? ananýn amýna çakayým |
| 03:22.14 | MobyTurbo | simonrvn: true |
| 03:22.17 | cafuego | Glitch: 'rm' just deletes. |
| 03:22.18 | HeLL0wEeN | all turks will fuck you! |
| 03:22.23 | HeLL0wEeN | fuckin bitch |
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| 03:22.29 | peterS | oh boy |
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| 03:22.33 | resiak | Woah. |
| 03:22.38 | sussudio | remind me why ttnet.net.tr isn't klined as a whole yet? |
| 03:22.40 | simonrvn | wtf |
| 03:22.42 | MobyTurbo | who lifted the kline for tr? |
| 03:22.46 | Glitch | cafuego: would there be any way to configure it so that files delete on command in this drive only? |
| 03:22.50 | mdh | he's obviously read "how to win friends and influence people" |
| 03:22.56 | simonrvn | hehe |
| 03:23.01 | cafuego | Glitch: You using Gnome, right? |
| 03:23.05 | Glitch | Yes. |
| 03:23.05 | resiak | There was some guy moaning about how that's basically the only ISP in .tr. |
| 03:23.10 | cafuego | Glitch: Then I dunno. |
| 03:23.14 | Glitch | Bleh... |
| 03:23.16 | X101 | I was testing out woody, installed with floppy over network. it fetched kernel 2.4.20 and such.. is that right? |
| 03:23.16 | peterS | sussudio: o/~ it's nobody's business but the turks' o/` |
| 03:23.19 | sussudio | resiak: so? |
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| 03:23.20 | Glitch | Damned KDE knowledge banks... -.- |
| 03:23.27 | Glitch | Why don't people like GNOME? |
| 03:23.32 | cafuego | resiak: Surely .tr allows international calls. let 'em sign up to an ISP in .gr or soemthing. |
| 03:23.43 | dvs | X101: If you think so. |
| 03:23.46 | cafuego | Glitch: wtf does that have to do with anything? |
| 03:23.54 | resiak | cafuego, sussudio: So... "...why should they all be denied access to IRC?" was the basic gist. |
| 03:23.59 | resiak | Of course, this is the why, |
| 03:24.01 | cafuego | Glitch: just coz I don't kbnow doesn't mean I 1) Don't use Gnome or 2) Use KDE. |
| 03:24.10 | Glitch | Good point... |
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| 03:24.19 | X101 | dvs: I mean 2.2.20, sorry |
| 03:24.19 | MobyTurbo | the reason why the domain was banned though was joins/parts from bots |
| 03:24.26 | sussudio | resiak: yes, they're bastards |
| 03:24.30 | Glitch | You could be using AfterStep... or even pure text... I can't know for sure. |
| 03:24.34 | dvs | X101: If it got the packages then that's right. |
| 03:24.38 | Glitch | It's usually KDE or GNOME, though. :P |
| 03:24.41 | cafuego | Glitch: If you right click a file, choose 'Delete' instead of 'Move to garbage' |
| 03:24.51 | peterS | I tell you, freenode just has to support RFC 3514. then all of our spam bot problems will be solved! |
| 03:24.56 | resiak | Glitch: You might have to tick a box in the preferences panel. |
| 03:24.56 | Glitch | cafuego: I use the delete key.. but.. meh. |
| 03:24.57 | X101 | dvs: woody uses 2.2.20? I was hoping for atleast 2.4 |
| 03:25.07 | dvs | X101: you can still install 2.4. |
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| 03:25.10 | resiak | Glitch: I think you can turn off the Trash. |
| 03:25.13 | Glitch | resiak: That's probably for general action, not specific for the drive... |
| 03:25.15 | cafuego | Glitch: Maybe shirt-delete or ctrl-delete. Surely there's a key combo. |
| 03:25.15 | peterS | X101: you get a choice at the initial boot screen. hit F3 to see how to install 2.4.18 instead of 2.2.20 |
| 03:25.17 | dvs | X101: apt-cache search kernel-image-2.4 |
| 03:25.25 | X101 | ah. hmm |
| 03:25.36 | X101 | yeah, I tried to fetch. but I got error: |
| 03:25.39 | resiak | Glitch: He's right. Shift-delete. |
| 03:25.43 | X101 | dpkg: `ldconfig' not found on PATH. |
| 03:25.43 | dpkg | X101: no idea |
| 03:25.58 | dvs | X101: ? From fetching debs? |
| 03:26.02 | hdo781 | Does anyone know any alternatives to xdm, gdm, or kdm? |
| 03:26.04 | cafuego | Or configure Gnome to just delete, rather then second-guess and store in a trash can. |
| 03:26.05 | X101 | apt-get install kernel-image-2.4.18-686 |
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| 03:26.13 | MobyTurbo | peterS: ah yes, the evil bit |
| 03:26.15 | mdh | hdo781: wdm |
| 03:26.15 | dvs | X101: as root? |
| 03:26.16 | cafuego | it's Linux. Delete is delete (without undo) |
| 03:26.19 | X101 | dvs: yes |
| 03:26.20 | Borgon | Can someone explain to me whats a disk image? |
| 03:26.21 | peterS | MobyTurbo: I loved that RFC |
| 03:26.35 | hdo781 | mdh, thanks. I'll go look for it now. |
| 03:26.40 | resiak | peterS: Fantastic. |
| 03:26.46 | MobyTurbo | peterS: that and TCP/IP with avian carriers |
| 03:26.47 | dvs | !info kernel-image-2.4.18-686 woody |
| 03:26.48 | peterS | MobyTurbo: assuming all the trnet.tr spammer hosts use the evil bit, it's easy to auto-kline them without affecting legitimate users from turkey |
| 03:26.52 | Blitx | Any idea how to join an nt domain? |
| 03:26.57 | mdh | hdo781: and entice, or something like that, from www.enlightenment.org |
| 03:26.58 | dpkg | kernel-image-2.4.18-686: (Linux kernel image 2.4.18 on PPro/Celeron/PII/PIII/PIV.), section base, is optional. Version: 2.4.18-5 (woody), Packaged size: 8492 kB, Installed size: 23216 kB |
| 03:27.07 | mdh | hdo781: apt-get install wdm |
| 03:27.10 | asg | Blitx: #samba |
| 03:27.17 | Blitx | thankyou |
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| 03:27.26 | dvs | Blitx: $500 please |
| 03:27.31 | hdo781 | mdh, does wdm allow automatic login? |
| 03:27.36 | X101 | dvs: I just tried to install irssi-text, and I got same error |
| 03:28.04 | mdh | hdo781: I've got no idea, haven't used it in years ;) |
| 03:28.18 | Glitch | cafuego and resiak: Thanks. :D ...It doesn't work... Oh well.. :\ |
| 03:28.22 | dvs | X101: What does ls -l /sbin/ldconfig say? |
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| 03:28.33 | X101 | -rwxr-xr-x 1 root root 420k Jan 7 2005 /sbin/ldconfig* |
| 03:28.55 | resiak | Glitch: :| |
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| 03:29.18 | dvs | X101: What does "su -c 'echo $PATH'" say? |
| 03:29.21 | X101 | dvs: check http://paste.uni.cc/6608 |
| 03:29.54 | X101 | root@gigas ~ 20k $ su -c 'echo $PATH' |
| 03:29.54 | X101 | /sbin:/bin:/usr/sbin:/usr/bin:/usr/bin/X11:/usr/local/sbin:/usr/local/bin |
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| 03:30.11 | asg | Blitx: if they are asleep, or just waking and groggy, check 'Using Samba' (in the samba-doc package) or online at www.oreilly.com/openbook |
| 03:30.28 | dvs | X101: Everything looks right to me. I dunno what it could be. |
| 03:30.36 | X101 | hm |
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| 03:31.39 | Meisterc | I'm using Sarge (Gnome) any idea why my splash screen doesn't disappear on its own ? I have to click on it... It worked OK until I changed the splash screen. I reverted back to the default and it didn't help |
| 03:32.06 | asg | Meisterc: try #gnome on irc.oftc.net |
| 03:32.27 | Meisterc | I'm on irc.gnome.org |
| 03:32.40 | Meisterc | but I'll try the one you recommend |
| 03:32.41 | asg | Meisterc: there is also a #debian-gnome on irc.oftc.net as well |
| 03:32.47 | Meisterc | cool |
| 03:32.53 | Meisterc | lemme try those places |
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| 03:32.56 | Meisterc | thnx |
| 03:33.08 | b0ris | i remember it having to do with some spurious items in my gnome session when i was having the same issue |
| 03:33.36 | Meisterc | weir stuff |
| 03:33.39 | Meisterc | weird |
| 03:33.47 | Meisterc | It was ok LAST NIGHT |
| 03:34.04 | Meisterc | and I didn't add anything new |
| 03:34.16 | Meisterc | that would cause this to "maybe happen" |
| 03:34.23 | b0ris | when you log in, try holding down ctrl + shift |
| 03:34.24 | dvs | Meisterc: You did an apt-get update |
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| 03:34.41 | Meisterc | yeah |
| 03:34.43 | ramb0 | can debian's live cd resize NTFS partitions? |
| 03:34.47 | dvs | Meisterc: on sarge? |
| 03:34.51 | Meisterc | yup |
| 03:34.51 | b0ris | it should reset your gnome session |
| 03:35.02 | Meisterc | I see b0ris |
| 03:35.02 | MobyTurbo | ramb0: Debian does not have a live CD |
| 03:35.04 | dvs | Meisterc: It's been like that for me for a while. |
| 03:35.05 | cafuego | ramb0: Not wtihout destroying all data. |
| 03:35.21 | ramb0 | sorry, i meant install cd |
| 03:35.21 | Meisterc | dvs: It just happen to me yesterday |
| 03:35.27 | cafuego | ramb0: if you need to resize NTFS, BACK UP ALL DATA, then run Partition Magic, |
| 03:35.34 | Meisterc | after I tried a different splashscreen |
| 03:35.38 | dvs | Meisterc: You must have just updated yesterday after a while |
| 03:35.44 | ramb0 | ok |
| 03:36.29 | skel_home | ramb0: I don't know of any linux utils that can resize ntfs without data loss |
| 03:36.43 | Meisterc | I didn't run update yesterday...but I surely did today |
| 03:37.01 | X101 | dvs: I added /sbin to my path and I got less errors now. going to try some more |
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| 03:37.08 | MobyTurbo | skel_home: Mandrake has a tool, but Mandrake in general is evil. |
| 03:37.16 | chealer | ntfsprogs is supposed to do it |
| 03:37.17 | dvs | X101: it should already be in your path. That's weird |
| 03:37.19 | skel_home | MobyTurbo: agreed |
| 03:37.34 | MobyTurbo | wow, the worst distro I ever tried |
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| 03:38.01 | skel_home | MobyTurbo: ever used caldera =P |
| 03:38.05 | MobyTurbo | no |
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| 03:38.15 | skel_home | heheh.. that one takes the cake for me.. |
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| 03:38.26 | MobyTurbo | skel_home: otherwise known as $699 SCO Linux. ;-) |
| 03:38.35 | skel_home | =D |
| 03:38.35 | Meisterc | asg: There is 0 people on the irc.oftc.net |
| 03:38.40 | cafuego | Meisterc: OpenLinux. |
| 03:38.43 | cafuego | MobyTurbo |
| 03:38.56 | beardy | ramb0: qtparted can resize NTFS partitions, I think knoppix includes it, this one has it too, http://www.sysresccd.org/ BUT MAKE BACKUPS of all your data |
| 03:39.03 | cafuego | MobyTurbo: Unlike debian, which is clearly a ClosedLinux implementation ;-) |
| 03:39.16 | mdh | cafuego: clearly |
| 03:39.21 | MobyTurbo | cafuego: yes, I've heard the name before. Ironic for a uniquely per-set licensed distro. |
| 03:39.27 | skel_home | beardy: qtparted is just a front end to gnu parted.. and gnuparted cannot resize ntfs |
| 03:39.32 | MobyTurbo | *seat |
| 03:39.35 | uGexe | I have [fglrx] module loaded - fglrx 8.8.25 on minor 0 inside my dmesg, but when i try to startx it says it cant find the module fglrx |
| 03:39.44 | cafuego | MobyTurbo: IO think it refers to 'open for business' more then anything else |
| 03:39.51 | mdh | I've tried to upload packages before and debian's servers have rejected me, I think they're a secret society like mormons |
| 03:40.05 | X101 | dvs: ok I fixed it. it seems it had all the bin but not sbin in my path. I didnt see it at first |
| 03:40.22 | dvs | X101: Very, very, strange |
| 03:40.25 | MobyTurbo | cafuego: no wonder they joined togeather with SCO, the Microsoft of Unix - literally. |
| 03:40.27 | cafuego | mdh: No, you just need to find a few passwords on the w2r3z networks |
| 03:40.43 | beardy | skel_home: System Rescue CD, at http://www.sysresccd.org/ has a version that can. |
| 03:40.57 | dvs | X101: Mine is in /root/.profile |
| 03:41.03 | skel_home | beardy: click on the gnuparted link off the sysresccd.org site and READ THE PAGE |
| 03:41.30 | skel_home | beardy: do you see a little * in the "resize" box for ntfs? |
| 03:41.55 | X101 | I got "PATH=/usr/local/sbin:/usr/local/bin:/usr/sbin:/usr/bin:/sbin:/bin:/usr/bin/X11" there |
| 03:42.06 | cafuego | skel_home: I'm sure parted can resize any NTFS partition to 0. |
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| 03:42.33 | mdh | cafuego: why use parted? just dd ;) |
| 03:42.45 | skel_home | cafuego: well.. I think ramb0 was looking for zero data loss.. which is why I don't recommend parted |
| 03:42.58 | setpyul | anyone have a working XF86Config-4 for a savage IV PCI card? it is just giving me a blank screen |
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| 03:43.03 | cafuego | mdh: Coz 'dd' doesn't resize it unless you 'dd' very carefully into the partition table. |
| 03:43.12 | mdh | dd if=/dev/zero of=/dev/[hs]d[a-z] bs=512 count=1 |
| 03:43.56 | cafuego | mdh: That just write data TO the partition. |
| 03:44.17 | cafuego | mdh: Actually, that just fucks up the MBR |
| 03:44.18 | mdh | no, that's the raw disk. |
| 03:44.26 | dvs | X101: That's pretty much what I have. |
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| 03:44.52 | sbk | cafuego > mdh. :) |
| 03:44.55 | cafuego | Or is the partition table stored in the first 512 bytes too? |
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| 03:45.09 | dvs | setpyul: There must be something in the /var/log/XFree86.0.log |
| 03:45.16 | mdh | cafuego: I thought it was, but I'm open to corrections |
| 03:45.21 | peterS | cafuego: on PC partition tables, yes |
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| 03:45.27 | cafuego | mdh: I dunno. You google. |
| 03:45.29 | skel_home | 446 + 64 + 2 == 512 |
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| 03:45.47 | bwest | does anyone know how to set up a web server without installing exim? |
| 03:45.59 | lu | heloo, some help compiling kernels please |
| 03:46.04 | bwest | I need MySql, but I can't uninstall exim4 and install mysql |
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| 03:46.12 | dvs | lu: /msg dpkg kp |
| 03:46.15 | bwest | lu, ask ppl in the #gentoo chan |
| 03:46.16 | pipeline | bwest: exim has nothing to do with MySQL. |
| 03:46.18 | cafuego | bwest: install postfix or nullmail instead of exim. |
| 03:46.25 | bwest | pipeline: preaching to the choir |
| 03:46.25 | mwilson | bwest: What does the one have to do with the other, other than nothing? |
| 03:46.26 | peterS | nullmailer, that is |
| 03:46.35 | bwest | cafuego: I don't need/ want an MTA at all |
| 03:46.35 | cafuego | pipeline: due to cron jobs, it requires an mta |
| 03:46.47 | cafuego | bwest: you DO need an MTA |
| 03:46.49 | bwest | I don't know what they have to do with each other |
| 03:46.54 | beardy | skel_home: Click on the QtParted link and READ THE FEATURES PAGE. do you see a little X in the "resize" box for ntfs? I have used it, it works. |
| 03:47.05 | bwest | aptitude won't install mysql without exim4, and I'd like to know why myelf |
| 03:47.10 | bwest | cafuego: indeed |
| 03:47.11 | cafuego | bwest: It's how mysql notifies you of problems with tables. |
| 03:47.20 | peterS | cron really only needs an MDA. might be nice to hack it to use an MDA if that's all that is available |
| 03:47.22 | mwilson | bwest: Among other things. |
| 03:47.27 | bwest | cafuego: ok, but I should be able to turn that off |
| 03:47.29 | cafuego | bwest: apt-get install nullmailer exim4-; apt-get install mysql-server |
| 03:47.45 | cafuego | bwest: You shouldn't be running a server if you want to turn that off. |
| 03:47.48 | bwest | cafuego: thankyou :) been looking for that |
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| 03:48.10 | bwest | cafuego: toy server |
| 03:48.16 | skel_home | beardy: Needed mkntfs and ntfsresize (linux-ntfs) .. my bad |
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| 03:48.17 | bwest | cafuego: running on a laptop in vmware |
| 03:48.20 | cafuego | bwest: no excuse |
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| 03:48.26 | Glitch_Master | Hmm.. |
| 03:48.30 | mwilson | What does it being a toy server have to do with good practices? |
| 03:48.32 | mdh | cafuego: if he has no MTA installed, apt-get install nullmailer mysql-server should be sufficient |
| 03:48.32 | bwest | cafuego: ok, still my call |
| 03:48.37 | skel_home | beardy: I was basing it purely off that it was a front end to parted.. so parted alone cannot do that |
| 03:48.38 | cafuego | bwest: You can alwats run an MTA from inetd |
| 03:48.44 | Meisterc | b0ris: It works as advertised ! |
| 03:48.45 | skel_home | beardy: sorry to jump your case |
| 03:48.53 | Glitch_Master | Is it me or does GNOME not support .ttf font files for its primary app GUI? |
| 03:49.08 | bwest | cafuego: true, but there are so many historic holes related smtp, mta's i'd like to stay away from them |
| 03:49.14 | bwest | I don't run public servers |
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| 03:49.20 | bwest | I develop on private servers |
| 03:49.31 | bwest | can't seem to get mysql, php and apache to play nice on windows |
| 03:49.43 | mwilson | Glitch_Master: What is "primary app GUI" supposed to mean? |
| 03:49.47 | sparr_ | installed gnome and kde, how do i pick kde as the default wm for all my users? |
| 03:49.48 | cafuego | bwest: That's because windows is shit. |
| 03:49.56 | bwest | cafuego: i don't disagree |
| 03:50.18 | bwest | just the same, I need a linux server that has those three and I don't need want, want to have to configure, deal with, wait for an MTA |
| 03:50.24 | Glitch_Master | mwilson: ...Well... the main thing... the text used in the app windows and stuff by default via GNOME settings... I don't know what you'd call it exactly... |
| 03:50.26 | cafuego | bwest: And not designed to be a server, even though there's a 'Server' version (which I think just means it has a higher default disk cache entry in the registry) |
| 03:50.34 | bwest | cafuego: thanks for your help |
| 03:50.49 | bwest | cafuego: no actuall difference, different services package set |
| 03:50.55 | mwilson | Glitch_Master: Most people call it a font. |
| 03:51.05 | cafuego | bwest: </sarcasm> |
| 03:51.05 | bwest | cafuego: I'm in windows "server" classes in college |
| 03:51.22 | valdyn | Glitch_Master: Glitch_Master default seems to be Bitstream Vera ... , that _is_ a ttf font |
| 03:51.43 | cafuego | bwest: Does it still need nightly reboots and/or switching off of the SQL server before you can back it up? |
| 03:51.48 | mwilson | valdyn: But... but... he says Gnome doesn't support TTF, so, therefore, it must not! |
| 03:51.53 | bwest | cafuego: don't go there |
| 03:51.55 | bwest | hate the class |
| 03:51.57 | bwest | like linux |
| 03:52.00 | cafuego | <heh> |
| 03:52.13 | bwest | if I could get modelines for my compaq r3370us I'd been fullptime linux |
| 03:52.13 | dvs | bwest: you hate it like linux?!? :-( |
| 03:52.14 | sparr_ | where does debian keep the default window manager setting? |
| 03:52.14 | Glitch_Master | Hmm.. |
| 03:52.17 | bwest | since i can't |
| 03:52.19 | cafuego | their NT servers has nightly 'at' reboot jobs |
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| 03:52.20 | Glitch_Master | I must be in the wrong directory. |
| 03:52.22 | Glitch_Master | I'll try again. |
| 03:52.24 | bwest | well, ceartain concession must be made |
| 03:52.26 | mdh | cafuego: yes, mssql locks the .db files so they can't be backed up. |
| 03:52.36 | bwest | dv, sorry? what do you mean |
| 03:52.42 | mwilson | valdyn: I don't even know why he thinks Gnome has any control over the font technologies his box actually makes available. |
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| 03:53.12 | cafuego | bwest: Oh, that was 6 years ago, these days I'm in charge of IT |
| 03:53.21 | mdh | cafuego: the two work-arounds are 1) use a maintenance task to backup the db before the actual backups run, and backup the backed-up files |
| 03:53.22 | sparr_ | i want kde :( |
| 03:53.24 | toresbe | cafuego: good Lord |
| 03:53.30 | dvs | bwest: Oh. I misread what you said before about "hating the SQL class, like linux" |
| 03:53.54 | bwest | dvs windows server but yeah |
| 03:54.00 | mdh | cafuego: 2) use a backup program with the s3kr3t aP1 from M$ that lets it hook into mssql and tell it to release the lock for the duration of the backup |
| 03:54.08 | X101 | how do I upgrade woody to sarge? I just change "stable" to something else in sources.list? |
| 03:54.21 | dvs | X101: Change it to "sarge" |
| 03:54.31 | X101 | ah, I was hoping for it to be that easy :) |
| 03:54.35 | dvs | X101: Then "apt-get update && apt-get dist-upgrade" |
| 03:54.47 | cafuego | mdh: Run 'vmware' on the raw devices and use 'dd' to back up th bastard |
| 03:54.55 | bwest | neways, cafuego thanks, l8er |
| 03:54.57 | mdh | :) |
| 03:55.14 | Glitch_Master | Would anyone happen to know GNOME's font dir? (The one it uses for icon fonts and such) |
| 03:55.17 | X101 | dvs: thanks alot. will lilo be replaced and kernel upgraded to 2.6 too? |
| 03:55.29 | dvs | X101: No, not automatically. |
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| 03:55.36 | mdh | Glitch_Master: GNOME will use whatever fonts the X server has available |
| 03:55.47 | dvs | X101: Kernel update are always manual |
| 03:55.49 | X101 | ok, I will look into that later then |
| 03:55.54 | pipeline | Glitch_Master: You can use "fonts:///" in the nautilus address bar. |
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| 03:57.00 | valdyn | Glitch_Master: and / or ~/.fonts |
| 03:57.01 | mwilson | Glitch_Master: You mean the one it doesn't have? |
| 03:57.21 | mwilson | Glitch_Master: You don't install fonts into *Gnome*, you install fonts into X. |
| 03:57.56 | pipeline | Glitch_Master: X fonts are kind of an ugly situation. I suggest you just dump truetype fonts into ~/.fonts and see if they work automatically. |
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| 03:58.32 | Glitch_Master | mwilson: Oh... well... in that case... where the hell is the directory?! |
| 03:58.45 | Glitch_Master | pipeline: I'll give that a shot. |
| 03:58.55 | valdyn | Glitch_Master: do you have x-ttcidfont-conf installed? |
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| 03:59.55 | lightbright | anyone know how to use smbclient to connect to a windoze box? |
| 03:59.56 | Glitch_Master | valdyn: I do now. :P |
| 04:00.10 | Glitch_Master | valdyn: Should I choose freetype or xtt? |
| 04:00.27 | valdyn | Glitch_Master: whatever you like |
| 04:00.30 | Glitch_Master | valdyn: Is xtt complicated? It sounds promising... |
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| 04:00.57 | valdyn | Glitch_Master: you don't mess with it, so you dont care if its complicated |
| 04:01.17 | CraigDunford | how do i change it so eth1 has priority over eth0 in connections |
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| 04:01.25 | Glitch_Master | valdyn: Okay... I just wanted to make sure it was basically set to work when chosen... |
| 04:01.27 | mdh | Glitch_Master: freetype is what's used by most things iirc |
| 04:01.37 | Glitch_Master | ...Oh. |
| 04:01.44 | Glitch_Master | I'll just go with that, to be on the safe side. :P |
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| 04:01.52 | beardy | lightbright: Have you read smbclient's manpage? "man smbclient" |
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| 04:02.47 | lightbright | yes I have.. I tried smbclinet pass //myserver/C$ --ip-address 123.123.123.123 --user myname |
| 04:02.52 | valdyn | Glitch_Master: I cant seem to remember any subjective difference between those 2 |
| 04:02.53 | lightbright | it didnt work. |
| 04:02.59 | valdyn | Glitch_Master: so chose whatever |
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| 04:03.23 | nvz | Sexyiest: good think SexyKen left, you were getting two sexy for us |
| 04:03.37 | lightbright | beardy: yes I have.. I tried smbclinet pass //myserver/C$ --ip-address 123.123.123.123 --user myname |
| 04:03.55 | Glitch_Master | valdyn: maintain or replace existing x11r6 file? |
| 04:04.00 | lightbright | uhh i misspelled smbclient. |
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| 04:04.17 | lightbright | not in the console though.. just right here. |
| 04:04.23 | Glitch_Master | sorry, but I'm tired and not in the condition to think or look into these things. |
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| 04:04.38 | valdyn | Glitch_Master: what is asking that question |
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| 04:05.06 | sparr | usually when i set up a debian kde desktop i get desktop icons for all my drives to be mounted, for a trash can, etc. desktop is empty this time, whats up with that? |
| 04:05.14 | Glitch_Master | valdyn. The installer. "Configuration file `/etc/X11/rstart/contexts/x11r6' \ ==> File on system created by you or by a script.\ ==> File also in package provided by package maintainer. " |
| 04:05.32 | valdyn | Glitch_Master: replace |
| 04:05.35 | CraigDunford | how do i change it so eth1 has priority over eth0 in connections |
| 04:05.36 | Glitch_Master | 'kay. |
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| 04:05.52 | beardy | lightbright: the pass should go after "//myserver/C$" |
| 04:06.02 | valdyn | Glitch_Master: unless you edited it manually "replace" is a good idea ( assuming the new file isnt broken ) |
| 04:06.08 | lightbright | ok. |
| 04:06.29 | Glitch_Master | valdyn: Done. So... Now that I've installed this and permanently changed files, what does this do? :P |
| 04:06.33 | De_Mon | hooom my log dir is misbehaving, all the daemons are writing to logname.0 and logname is empty (messages,debug,daemon.log etc) |
| 04:06.40 | beardy | lightbright: On the first line under SYNOPSIS in the manpage. |
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| 04:07.14 | valdyn | Glitch_Master: installed what? x-ttcidcont-conf? "apt-cache show x-ttcidfont-conf" |
| 04:07.30 | Glitch_Master | lightbright: beardy | lightbright: On the first line under SYNOPSIS in the manpage. |
| 04:07.31 | De_Mon | I though logrotate would fix them on its own, but it hasn't... is that expected? |
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| 04:08.32 | lightbright | Glitch_Master: I'll take another look. perhaps the pass needs to be encrypted.. |
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| 04:08.50 | Glitch_Master | lightbright: I'm not the one helping you. I'm just forwarding the message. |
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| 04:09.03 | Glitch_Master | lightbright: Talk to beardy. |
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| 04:09.44 | Glitch_Master | Sexyiest... That's wrong on so many grammatical levels... |
| 04:09.49 | Overand | hey |
| 04:09.59 | Overand | I'm trying to figure out what keeps waking my hard drive up on my laptop. |
| 04:10.07 | Overand | How can I find out what files are getting written? |
| 04:10.23 | lightbright | beardy: does the pass need to be encrypted? |
| 04:10.28 | gravity | Overand: lsof maybe? |
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| 04:10.39 | Overand | lsof lists all the open files which is a LOT |
| 04:10.55 | Overand | is there any way i can get it to show, for example, only files accessed within the past n seconds? |
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| 04:11.28 | Overand | the box is running x so there are a LOT of open files |
| 04:11.54 | debian | Overand: try to stop the swap then |
| 04:12.03 | Overand | hm, good idea. |
| 04:12.23 | sparr | blah blah |
| 04:12.41 | Overand | i'm pretty sure it wasn't using swop |
| 04:12.52 | sparr | blah blah |
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| 04:14.02 | X101 | in order to autostart a service, the correct way is to make a symlink from, ie "/etc/rc1.d" to "/etc/init.d/<service>"? |
| 04:14.17 | De_Mon | X101 other way around |
| 04:14.26 | X101 | err, yes. my bad |
| 04:14.33 | beardy | lightbright: I don't know. Do you get any error message? Try the ip of your box "//192.168.1.1/C$" (whatever it is) and skip the --ip-adress, where do you see that, not in my manpage anyway.. |
| 04:14.38 | X101 | I was just wondering if there were a more automatic way |
| 04:14.41 | Nurbs | X101: or use update-rc.d for the same |
| 04:14.46 | De_Mon | update-rc.d |
| 04:14.50 | X101 | I see. thanks |
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| 04:15.10 | Overand | killing swap didn't do it |
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| 04:17.30 | lightbright | beardy: got --ip-address from smbclient --help |
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| 04:18.04 | lightbright | beardy: I'll try your syntax. |
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| 04:19.45 | unco | so no one has ne idea about the ldap stuff? |
| 04:19.49 | lightbright | beardy: I'm getting this> session setup faild NT_STATUS_LOGON_FAILURE |
| 04:21.11 | lightbright | has anyone heard of a hack that installs a font and then sets you kde defaults to it? |
| 04:22.01 | lightbright | the font name was in German. and the only thing I can think of that I was doing the night prior was IRC and surfing the web |
| 04:23.27 | lightbright | I applaude the creativity. my px size must have been like 1 or something... couldnt read a darn thing. haha |
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| 04:24.05 | duke | how would you change the gnome splash screen? |
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| 04:24.16 | duke | i've searched google but couldn't find anything |
| 04:24.18 | CraigDun | How do I setup my wireless card to use a WEP key? |
| 04:24.30 | Glitch_Master | So... um... |
| 04:24.47 | Glitch_Master | Is this new font thingy an executable app or a sort of integrated thing? |
| 04:25.35 | dale_gribble | what is the best firewall you guys would recommend for a debian server |
| 04:25.36 | lightbright | Glitch_Master: addressing me? |
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| 04:26.37 | lightbright | dale_gribble: are you protecting a large network or just the server? |
| 04:26.38 | Overand | CraigDun: iwconfig interfacename essid "wifikey" |
| 04:26.51 | beardy | lightbright: google on that error message. Or try #samba perhaps.. |
| 04:26.55 | Overand | for example, iwconfig eth0 essid AB-3d-4f-2b |
| 04:27.03 | deadcat | Overand: iwconfig IFACE essid SSID key KEY |
| 04:27.09 | Overand | oh |
| 04:27.09 | Overand | heh |
| 04:27.10 | Overand | my bad |
| 04:27.13 | Overand | essi d = ssid |
| 04:27.14 | Overand | hha |
| 04:27.15 | lightbright | beardy:Thanks. |
| 04:27.36 | karsten | iwconfig? |
| 04:27.38 | lightbright | beardy:I mean thanks for your time. |
| 04:27.43 | deadcat | karsten: wireless. (= |
| 04:27.44 | Overand | yes, iwconfig |
| 04:27.45 | Glitch_Master | lightbright, no. |
| 04:27.46 | dale_gribble | lightbright: mainly the server |
| 04:27.53 | karsten | deadcat: Indeed. |
| 04:27.59 | deadcat | karsten: told you to get one. i bet your neighbors have it. |
| 04:28.03 | mdh | that wifi stuff sounds very ebonical |
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| 04:28.05 | Overand | heh |
| 04:28.16 | deadcat | mdh: bitch please! (= |
| 04:28.18 | Overand | mdh: what? |
| 04:28.22 | karsten | deadcat: Actually, a friend was over w/ some wardriving stuff. Total dead zone. |
| 04:28.28 | CraigDun | Overand: can I use 128 bit ascii keys? |
| 04:28.31 | Overand | CraigDun: yes |
| 04:28.34 | deadcat | karsten: )= |
| 04:28.37 | Overand | wait |
| 04:28.41 | Overand | actually i'm not positive of that |
| 04:28.50 | Overand | i've always entered it in hex, but i'm pretty sure you can |
| 04:28.56 | deadcat | karsten: what the hell. napa valley? |
| 04:28.57 | lightbright | dale_gribble: appliances such as a linksys or dlink firewalls are very inexpensive and easy to implement. |
| 04:29.02 | CraigDun | 128 bit will work though right? |
| 04:29.10 | karsten | deadcat: Yes. |
| 04:29.11 | dale_gribble | yeah i was thinking more software based tho |
| 04:29.15 | pmiperfection | quick question how do you install mouse themes |
| 04:29.16 | Overand | CraigDun: if your card supports it... which it will |
| 04:29.29 | deadcat | karsten: bastards spend too much drinking rather than internet. |
| 04:29.30 | WiFiTux | pmiperfection, mouse theme? :) |
| 04:29.32 | CraigDun | how do i set it to shared key mode? |
| 04:29.37 | pmiperfection | for kde |
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| 04:29.41 | Overand | CraigDun: iwconfig --help |
| 04:29.41 | karsten | deadcat: Something like. |
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| 04:29.53 | deadcat | CraigDun: iwconfig device essid ID key KEY restricted |
| 04:29.59 | WiFiTux | CraigDun, restricted |
| 04:30.02 | lightbright | dale_gribble:man ipchains |
| 04:30.02 | pmiperfection | to change to way the mouse looks to match a theme |
| 04:30.07 | WiFiTux | or deadcat tells you. |
| 04:30.21 | lightbright | thats a standard package i think. |
| 04:30.29 | caphuso | unclutter is a decent mouse theme ;-) |
| 04:30.34 | WiFiTux | pmiperfection, no clue... Look into config and mouse? |
| 04:30.34 | Overand | so does anyone want to help me figure out what keeps spinning up my hard drive on this box? swap's off, i figure it's a cron job or something, dunno how to find out |
| 04:30.36 | pmiperfection | how do i access it |
| 04:30.38 | pmiperfection | or install |
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| 04:31.08 | deadcat | pmiperfection: .icons/ or apt-cache search gtk2-.*-engine.* |
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| 04:31.20 | caphuso | Overand: how often does it spin up? |
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| 04:31.27 | lightbright | dale_gribble:if you're not on a linux box you can type that in google... |
| 04:31.35 | dale_gribble | i'm on one |
| 04:31.39 | pmiperfection | i got it |
| 04:31.40 | pmiperfection | thx |
| 04:32.12 | deadcat | dale_gribble: nancy's cheating on you again. |
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| 04:33.06 | dale_gribble | haha |
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| 04:33.16 | dvs | deadcat: No, it's a government conspiracy! |
| 04:33.27 | deadcat | dale_gribble: john redcorn is giving her the "special" |
| 04:33.32 | deadcat | dvs: HAHAHA |
| 04:33.43 | lightbright | dale_gribble:are you looking for more of a GUI based firewall? |
| 04:33.45 | abashuta | Can someone tell me how to make a mailing list with mutt? I have a bunch of people I need to send the same email, but need to save a list that I can call up again if I need to resend the email |
| 04:33.59 | aokaze | Question: I have sources to a program and I want to make it into a deb. How do I go about doing that? |
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| 04:34.22 | dvs | aokaze: apt-get install hello |
| 04:34.25 | deadcat | aokaze: what source? where you get it? if its debian source, just run debian/rules i think |
| 04:34.25 | dondelelcaro | abashuta: just make an alias with multiple addresses |
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| 04:34.59 | abashuta | how do I make an alias? |
| 04:35.01 | dondelelcaro | abashuta: man muttrc; search for alias, if you're not familiar with the syntax. |
| 04:35.02 | CraigDunford | I have no luck with WEP. I have the ipw2200 card. Anything I can try? |
| 04:35.06 | deadcat | abashuta: /etc/aliases |
| 04:35.11 | caphuso | deadcat: no |
| 04:35.15 | deadcat | ah |
| 04:35.18 | dondelelcaro | deadcat: nah, not /etc/aliases... mutt's alias commmand |
| 04:35.20 | deadcat | caphuso: not anymore? |
| 04:35.27 | caphuso | deadcat: mutt, not MTA |
| 04:35.28 | aokaze | its not a debian source. its a program a friend wrote in C |
| 04:35.48 | deadcat | caphuso: ah. i dont read their LONG questions (=. just pick up 1 or 2 words from the sentence |
| 04:35.52 | WiFiTux | aokaze, what does it do? |
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| 04:36.23 | dondelelcaro | s/you're/your/ |
| 04:36.25 | deadcat | i am building a Live-CD (= |
| 04:36.27 | WiFiTux | CraigDun, say what? No luck? |
| 04:36.37 | abashuta | can you give me an example of what to type? the man page is hard to understand |
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| 04:37.08 | dondelelcaro | abashuta: alias key address [, address [ ... ]] <- this goes into either your .muttrc or whatever alias file you source from your .muttrc |
| 04:37.09 | aokaze | I just want to know how to take the sources and compile or whatever into a debian package |
| 04:37.13 | WiFiTux | CraigDun, from where? with what AP? dmesg | grep ipw2200 and let me know the version... |
| 04:37.14 | CraigDunford | WiFiTux: not when I use WEP. It works fine when I turn WEP off. If I have WEP in open mode on it'll connect to the AP but it wont connect to the internet and in shared mode it wont even connect to the AP |
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| 04:37.33 | abashuta | okay I think I get it |
| 04:37.42 | WiFiTux | CraigDun, shared mode is not secure and I don't even think it's supported. |
| 04:37.47 | CraigDunford | 1.0.0 |
| 04:37.56 | WiFiTux | CraigDun, hhmm |
| 04:37.59 | CraigDunford | open mode is secure? |
| 04:38.09 | dale_gribble | actually its john redcorn's miracle migraine treatment |
| 04:38.12 | _alch | dpkg: parse error, in file `/var/lib/dpkg/status' near line 7254 package `omniidl-python': ? :/ |
| 04:38.12 | deadcat | CraigDunford: WEP is not secure. |
| 04:38.12 | dpkg | You are moron #1, _alch |
| 04:38.19 | dale_gribble | i need non gui for the fw |
| 04:38.21 | _alch | ta dpkg <3 |
| 04:38.27 | CraigDunford | WEP is more secure then nothing though |
| 04:38.28 | deadcat | dvs: what card you have? |
| 04:38.40 | WiFiTux | CraigDun, open mode is more secure because of the keying method. |
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| 04:38.53 | hikaru79 | can the emifreq-applet be run from Xfce or does it HAVE to be in Gnome? |
| 04:38.54 | deadcat | CraigDunford: yes. but if some asshole wants you dead, you're dead |
| 04:39.01 | dvs | deadcat: I don't use it for Debian but my roommate uses it for his Linksys |
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| 04:39.26 | deadcat | dvs: wuss (= |
| 04:39.27 | WiFiTux | deadcat, not even dead, he would just gain access to his Internet! :\ |
| 04:39.31 | headly | should I be seeing multiple cpus in the top included in procps? |
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| 04:39.38 | abashuta | okay here an example "alias tom email@email1.com, email@email2.com" then I got three errors, the first is "-bash: alias: tom: not found" |
| 04:39.45 | dvs | deadcat: ;-) Why should I? The router is right beside the computer. |
| 04:39.46 | headly | assuming I have a dual processor machine. |
| 04:39.47 | deadcat | WiFiTux: i would change the router setting as well (= |
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| 04:39.53 | deadcat | dvs: HAHAHAH |
| 04:39.59 | headly | and they are recognized by linux. |
| 04:40.12 | WiFiTux | deadcat, of course... :) WPA anyway and done. |
| 04:40.12 | caphuso | abashuta: you seriously need to read some mutt intro |
| 04:40.24 | deadcat | i really wish those assholes would support usb on hostap )= |
| 04:40.24 | alainm | if i want to install Debian Sarge, is downloading the iso for r4 good enought.. |
| 04:40.27 | alainm | ? |
| 04:40.30 | abashuta | I dont know much about mutt... |
| 04:40.38 | dvs | alainm: There is no r4 for sarge. |
| 04:40.39 | headly | ah, pressing 1 does it :) |
| 04:40.40 | caphuso | abashuta: then don't use it |
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| 04:40.59 | alainm | so where do i get sarge? |
| 04:40.59 | mdh | abashuta: you need to put the alias line into your ~/.muttrc |
| 04:41.00 | deadcat | WiFiTux: i use WEP (=... all but my usb prism2 card are not WPA compatible. |
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| 04:41.07 | dvs | alainm: /msg dpkg d-i |
| 04:41.09 | deadcat | alainm: debian.org |
| 04:41.12 | thyhorror | is it possible to make a short movie of your desktop ? (snapshot) |
| 04:41.18 | mdh | abashuta: and then reload mutt |
| 04:41.19 | deadcat | thyhorror: yes |
| 04:41.28 | abashuta | okay... |
| 04:41.35 | mdh | abashuta: or you can use : within mutt to set it directly in the running one |
| 04:41.39 | WiFiTux | which one is the best/easy/quick/default CD ripper? |
| 04:41.47 | gravity | thyhorror: There were some recent demos made in flash format posted to planet gnome that might be what you need |
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| 04:42.01 | gravity | thyhorror: I think they explained how they made the demos |
| 04:42.05 | deadcat | gravity: how do they make those demos? |
| 04:42.05 | bjenkins | when I boot with vga=791, i get gdm and X, but no console |
| 04:42.10 | deadcat | gravity: (= |
| 04:42.15 | gravity | deadcat: I'm not sure, I didn't read the details |
| 04:42.18 | mdh | WiFiTux: grip has worked for me for years... decades even |
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| 04:42.20 | bjenkins | i compiled in the framebuffer |
| 04:42.22 | gravity | WiFiTux: I like grip. I've used it forever |
| 04:42.38 | CraigDunf | WiFiTux: In open mode the card connects to the AP but it wont surf |
| 04:42.47 | deadcat | gravity: can you link me to the gnome demo please |
| 04:42.50 | WiFiTux | gravity, mdh yeah, me too :) |
| 04:42.50 | abashuta | mdh: What should the .muttrc line look like? (example please?) |
| 04:43.03 | thyhorror | gravity: planet gnome ? can you point me ? or give an idea how to get there. |
| 04:43.06 | WiFiTux | CraigDun, say what? make sure you are running the correct command. |
| 04:43.06 | mdh | abashuta: exactly what you were told above |
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| 04:43.17 | deadcat | thyhorror: try walking. |
| 04:43.32 | gravity | I'll try and find the actual post |
| 04:43.37 | deadcat | Geert: bad. )= |
| 04:43.38 | jorgp | is there a something that I can run to see if 2 .install files have dupes? |
| 04:43.50 | mdh | abashuta: alias <listname> addr1, addr2, ... |
| 04:43.58 | CraigDunf | WiFiTux: iwconfig shows Link Quality: 91/100, mozilla wont connect to anything and pinging stuff doesnt work |
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| 04:44.19 | WiFiTux | CraigDun, can you ping the AP? can it dhclient eth1? |
| 04:44.27 | mdh | abashuta: eg alias myfriends user1@example.com, user2@example.com, joe@example.com |
| 04:44.52 | mdh | abashuta: then you write a new message to "myfriends" and all their addresses go in |
| 04:45.20 | CraigDunf | WiFiTux: I get destination host unreachable. I have IPs setup statically |
| 04:45.35 | abashuta | mdh: that rocks I got it working thanks |
| 04:45.36 | gravity | thyhorror, deadcat http://nat.org/demos/ |
| 04:45.38 | WiFiTux | gravity, for mp3, is lame or mp3encode? |
| 04:46.00 | WiFiTux | CraigDun, odd... looks like you are associated but not authenticated with the key. |
| 04:46.04 | deadcat | caphuso: what card? i had problem with orinoco_cs with netgear, but orinoco_usb is fine |
| 04:46.05 | gravity | WiFiTux: I've never used it for mp3, but I understand the LAME is your best bet |
| 04:46.11 | mdh | abashuta: glad to be of service. And as Master Yoda once said, "pass on what you have learned" |
| 04:46.18 | WiFiTux | CraigDun, are you sure it's the same Key>? |
| 04:46.21 | caphuso | deadcat: wrong nick |
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| 04:46.29 | mdh | or something like that |
| 04:46.29 | WiFiTux | gravity, thanks |
| 04:46.32 | deadcat | caphuso: DOH (= |
| 04:46.32 | CraigDunf | WiFiTux: I've checked it and rechecked it |
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| 04:46.39 | CraigDunf | WiFiTux: its the samer |
| 04:46.41 | deadcat | caphuso: fuck it |
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| 04:46.48 | rata | hi |
| 04:46.53 | caphuso | deadcat: no, i won't :) |
| 04:47.02 | deadcat | caphuso: i'll fuck it (= |
| 04:47.13 | gravity | Hm... vnc2swf doesn't seem to be in Debian |
| 04:47.19 | chealer | I used to have a "Lock" key on a destroyed keyboard, but don't anymore. Is there an easy way to prevent my cat to abuse my keyboard through a keyboard shortcut? (KDE) |
| 04:47.20 | deadcat | gravity: cool. |
| 04:47.40 | deadcat | gravity: does that mean i need vnc? |
| 04:48.08 | gravity | deadcat: I don't know. I've never used the app before. |
| 04:48.09 | steve__ | does anyone know about getting my internal sd card reader to work |
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| 04:48.13 | Tabitha | what if the cat figures out the short cut? |
| 04:48.15 | deadcat | gravity: cool. |
| 04:48.16 | steve__ | ifo please |
| 04:48.19 | steve__ | info |
| 04:48.32 | CraigDunf | WiFiTux: should I try a 64 bit key? |
| 04:48.57 | AvengerMoJo | anyone use tomcat4 ? |
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| 04:49.05 | mdh | chealer: activate the screensaver when you walk away, and hope the cat doesn't know your password ;) |
| 04:49.22 | WiFiTux | CraigDun, try removing that key, making another one, and yes use a 64 bit 10 char key |
| 04:49.25 | AvengerMoJo | the jk setting is not clear |
| 04:49.26 | chealer | mdh: it's when I'm using the PC that it,s disturbing |
| 04:50.10 | AvengerMoJo | and it is telling me that Coyote connector has not been started |
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| 04:50.52 | dale_gribble | should my /proc/cpuinfo file be empty? |
| 04:51.12 | mdh | chealer: buy another cat to keep it company elsewhere while you're typing? |
| 04:51.14 | dvs | dale_gribble: No, it's a conspiracy! |
| 04:51.32 | dvs | dale_gribble: But it really shouldn't |
| 04:51.38 | chealer | mdh: URL? |
| 04:51.46 | dale_gribble | weird |
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| 04:51.54 | Guerin | chealer: www.cats.com |
| 04:51.56 | WiFiTux | gravity, it's giving me an error about the encoder excecutable. |
| 04:52.20 | mdh | chealer: http://www.urbandictionary.com/images.php?imageid=3910 |
| 04:52.21 | dale_gribble | is there a way to rescan for cpus then? |
| 04:52.57 | chealer | thanks! my quest has ended |
| 04:53.21 | _gentgeen_ | After launching grip error message can not initialize /dev/cdrom -- my user is already a member of CDROM and AUDIO groups -- what do I need to change? |
| 04:53.33 | WiFiTux | someone has an Idea why I can't rip with grip mp3's? but I can rip ogg's? |
| 04:53.36 | mdh | chealer: did you get a cool superpower, or maybe some elven armour or something? |
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| 04:53.57 | gravity | WiFiTux: Do you have lame installed? |
| 04:54.09 | Guerin | WiFiTux: if you don't fucking have an mp3 encoder, that might be a reason |
| 04:54.13 | chealer | mdh: well my cat moved to finish my yogourt anyway |
| 04:54.15 | Guerin | WiFiTux: you fucking idiot |
| 04:54.31 | deadcat | (= |
| 04:54.39 | WiFiTux | Guerin, why did you add the fucking to the sentence? What crawled up your arse? |
| 04:54.49 | deadcat | how can i edit some files in a .iso? can i just mount the thing and chroot? |
| 04:54.53 | Guerin | WiFiTux: stupidity annoys me. |
| 04:55.13 | mdh | deadcat: using loopback mount, yes |
| 04:55.14 | Guerin | deadcat: cd isos are read-only, strangely. |
| 04:55.20 | WiFiTux | Guerin, bad words annoy me. Go cut your wrist if you can't handle people. |
| 04:55.21 | deadcat | WiFiTux: he cant describe your action without using the word fuck or fucking. |
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| 04:55.37 | deadcat | Guerin: ya. i have to cp and mkiso it back? |
| 04:56.03 | Guerin | WiFiTux: 1) aww, poor baby doesn't likee bad wowds 2) don't fucking joke about suicide; I've wanred you about this before. |
| 04:56.24 | Overand | oh |
| 04:56.24 | Overand | yeah |
| 04:56.32 | Overand | IS9660 is a write only file system |
| 04:56.36 | Overand | there's no way to really edit the file system |
| 04:56.47 | Overand | although hex editing it will work if you just need to twiddle a few bits |
| 04:56.56 | WiFiTux | Guerin, say what? haha whatever... and we talked about rape, not suicide. |
| 04:57.09 | deadcat | Overand: dang. on a live-cd? )= |
| 04:57.14 | Overand | yeh |
| 04:57.19 | Overand | deadcat: remastering knoppix? |
| 04:57.32 | Overand | there are some good guides out there actually |
| 04:57.34 | deadcat | Overand: hacking morphix with ibuild (= |
| 04:57.34 | Guerin | WiFiTux: we've talked about BOTH of them - that anyone should have to tell you not to joke about either just demonstrates what a fucking imbecile you are. |
| 04:57.37 | Overand | yeh |
| 04:57.42 | mdh | WiFiTux: neither are really comedy topics |
| 04:57.50 | WiFiTux | Guerin, and I was going to install glame, but as I saw it was 7MB then maybe that wasn't it |
| 04:58.17 | deadcat | qemu is pretty cool. |
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| 04:58.24 | Overand | What's qemu? |
| 04:58.29 | WiFiTux | mdh, they are not if you practice them. end. |
| 04:58.37 | rata | Overand, apt-cache show qemu ? |
| 04:58.40 | Overand | heh |
| 04:58.42 | Overand | fair enough |
| 04:58.47 | deadcat | Overand: vmware like. but slow i guess... |
| 04:58.48 | gravity | qemu rocks |
| 04:58.52 | Overand | oh |
| 04:58.53 | Overand | yeah |
| 04:58.56 | Overand | i've seen that before |
| 04:59.00 | Overand | ok here's one |
| 04:59.02 | Overand | what's barnabus? |
| 04:59.04 | Overand | ... |
| 04:59.05 | Overand | er |
| 04:59.07 | WiFiTux | Guerin, FYI, there's an /ignore command. |
| 04:59.08 | Overand | bacula |
| 04:59.13 | WiFiTux | !enter |
| 04:59.13 | dpkg | The enter key or carriage return key is not a substitute for punctuation. Use a period '.', comma ',', colon ':', semi-colon ';' emdash '---', or ellipsis '...' instead. |
| 04:59.20 | mdh | Overand: a backup tool |
| 04:59.22 | Overand | oh |
| 04:59.24 | Overand | it's not like vmware |
| 04:59.26 | WiFiTux | Overand, that was for you!! |
| 04:59.29 | Overand | it's emulation, not virtualization |
| 04:59.37 | gravity | Right |
| 04:59.52 | gravity | qemu makes testing d-i without another machine very possible |
| 04:59.53 | Overand | vmware being virtualization. qemu's more like bochs, only it's not a whole-machine |
| 05:00.03 | gravity | Yeah, except bochs is ungodly slow |
| 05:00.04 | Overand | that's actually really nifty. |
| 05:00.38 | Overand | So you can directly execute i386 linux binaries on a non-intel machine? |
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| 05:00.48 | Overand | (sparc, etc) |
| 05:01.18 | Overand | Or do you need to load up a virtual envyronment as well? |
| 05:01.21 | gravity | I'd imagine so, but I never tried |
| 05:01.41 | Overand | Oh, it looks a lot like bochs. |
| 05:01.56 | mdh | hmm.. I have a usparc5 here... wonder if it'll play q3a ? |
| 05:02.02 | Overand | hahaha |
| 05:02.04 | Overand | no. |
| 05:02.30 | WiFiTux | someone has a marrilat mirror address here |
| 05:02.40 | mdh | I'd have to replace the onboard ATI graphics chip of course |
| 05:02.51 | deadcat | my sshd log is giving me alot of POSSIBLE BREAKIN ATTEMPT! )= |
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| 05:03.04 | Overand | mdh, emulation of a cpu is slow |
| 05:03.05 | mdh | its one of those hilarious ones that goes slower with 3d hardware accelleration enabled than software mesa ;) |
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| 05:03.12 | Overand | so you could probably expect 486-level performance from that |
| 05:03.24 | Overand | from the CPU emulation, if it's a fast sparc |
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| 05:04.06 | Overand | mdh: sounds like my old S3 Virge. That was a terrible chip. |
| 05:04.37 | mdh | oh hahaha yeah, a friend of mine bought that one just to see the extra effects in descent ;) |
| 05:04.56 | mdh | then replaced it with a 3dfx soon after |
| 05:05.27 | mdh | 0000:80:04.0 VGA compatible controller: ATI Technologies Inc 3D Rage II+ 215GTB [Mach64 GTB] (rev 9a) |
| 05:05.43 | Overand | sweet. mine kicks your card's ass though |
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| 05:06.01 | Overand | 0000:01:00.0 VGA compatible controller: Neomagic Corporation NM2200 [MagicGraph 256AV] (rev 12) |
| 05:06.05 | mdh | and trust me, that "215GTB" doesn't stand for 215 giga-tera-bytes of onboard memory ;) |
| 05:06.24 | acf | Overand: z505sx? |
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| 05:06.44 | Overand | At least you *have* 3d. And acf, no, it's a Thinkpad 600E |
| 05:06.50 | acf | ah |
| 05:07.33 | Overand | at least he had a tilde. probably behind nat. |
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| 05:10.09 | smj | Greetings folks. |
| 05:10.14 | smj | How's everyone tonight? |
| 05:10.57 | Ferret | Quiet. |
| 05:11.03 | Overand | Yep |
| 05:11.11 | Karhuton | Bo! |
| 05:11.17 | gravity | Slink? |
| 05:11.22 | mdh | annoyed |
| 05:11.26 | _alch | hmmm |
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| 05:11.45 | abashuta | smj good, you? |
| 05:11.53 | mdh | we appear to have lost the ability to communicate with multiple words |
| 05:11.56 | mdh | doh! |
| 05:12.00 | _alch | having a problem, apt-get upgrade... |
| 05:12.11 | doub | mdh: what? ;) |
| 05:12.11 | Karhuton | If you want, I can come up with Debian related issues so you can have something to do. |
| 05:12.15 | Overand | I'm having a problem figuring out what keeps spinning up my hard drive. |
| 05:12.30 | mdh | _alch: that's what I always tell people ;) |
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| 05:12.41 | _alch | cron-apt downloads the packages right, i run apt-get upgrade.. error comes back with - dpkg: parse error, in file `/var/lib/dpkg/status' near line 7254 package `omniidl-python': newline in field name `n' |
| 05:12.42 | _alch | no |
| 05:12.42 | Karhuton | Overand, would 'lsof' help? |
| 05:12.44 | _alch | im having a problem :P |
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| 05:13.04 | gravity | eep |
| 05:13.10 | mdh | Overand: kswapd ? |
| 05:13.13 | vr_mex | anyone familiar with camE ? |
| 05:13.20 | Overand | mdh, swap is off |
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| 05:13.39 | mdh | Overand: are you running a journaled fs like xfs, reiser, ext3? |
| 05:13.43 | Overand | ext3 |
| 05:13.50 | Overand | but what would write to the journal? |
| 05:14.05 | notden | has anyone managed to get vncserver/tightvncserver running on sid/amd64 ? |
| 05:14.07 | Overand | Wouldn't the journal only get updated if there were changes to the contents of the drive? |
| 05:14.17 | doub | Overand: install noflushd |
| 05:14.27 | be80be | any one tryed Ubuntu |
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| 05:14.54 | mdh | be80be: I booted the warty live cd, it looks very promising |
| 05:14.57 | gravity | be80be: Many people. Go ask in #ubuntu about it |
| 05:15.01 | jstevens | using "Sarge", I can't mount /media/cdrom ... /media/cdrom deletes itself on reboot... any ideas wh/ how to get it to still be there so that I can acutally use my drive w/o having to mkdir /media/cdrom ? |
| 05:15.05 | dale_gribble | if you have a dual processor and only one shows in top and /proc/cpuinfo how do you get the other to load |
| 05:15.06 | Overand | i'm not sure i want to prevent disk writes from spinning my drive back up, doub |
| 05:15.12 | Overand | dale_gribble: install an SMP kernel |
| 05:15.13 | WiFiTux | people got a video here in costa rica of a ghost.. :| who wants to check it out? http://www.teletica.com/archivo/tn7/nac/2005/01/26/fantasma.htm |
| 05:15.13 | notden | be80be, yeah, I kinda like it. It makes a real quick and easy desktop, and the installer is great. I switched back to debian cos I always ended up using the debian repositories anyway. |
| 05:15.53 | mdh | Overand: iirc the journal gets checked periodically for consistency or something |
| 05:16.20 | Overand | noflushd would certanly fix the 'problem' |
| 05:16.23 | Overand | ah interesting |
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| 05:16.42 | Overand | hm, i wonder if it's just some stupid cron job |
| 05:16.45 | dude | !nvidia |
| 05:16.46 | dpkg | nvidia is, like, To learn how to install nvidia drivers on your Debian system see 'nvidia-howto' or maybe 'nvidia debs'. That should explain all you need to know. http://home.comcast.net/~andrex/Debian-nVidia/installation.html . "Off to break the nvidia driver by changing the kernel interfaces again, this is becoming a fun hobby..." - Greg Kroah-Hartman, Linux kernel hacker, on linux-elitists |
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| 05:17.08 | brynjarh | blahh |
| 05:17.17 | doub | Overand: try at runlevel 1, but my bet is the kernel is only responsible for this |
| 05:17.34 | brynjarh | the nvidia drivers are not free |
| 05:17.43 | smj | abashuta: I'm ok. Playing with photo albums at the moment. |
| 05:17.55 | Overand | hm, interesting idea. |
| 05:18.00 | smj | I'm a little bummed about Debian thought. |
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| 05:18.15 | Overand | smj: bummed about what? |
| 05:18.38 | smj | Overand: I found out from the security list that security patches for Woody's 2.4.18 kernel are on hold. |
| 05:18.41 | CraigDun | WiFiTux: still no luck. tried different keys. 64bit 128bit. can i check in my kernel to ensure the stuff is there i need? |
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| 05:18.52 | smj | Overand: that's why there haven't been any kernel security patches since last April |
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| 05:19.06 | WiFiTux | CraigDun, crc32 and the other one |
| 05:19.06 | smj | Overand: I run 2.4.18 on my web server. |
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| 05:19.34 | mdh | smj: roll your own kernel with make-kpkg |
| 05:19.35 | doub | smj: you can install a vanilla kernel |
| 05:20.12 | mdh | relying on any external entity for security is a little silly imo |
| 05:20.24 | Overand | WEll, here's the question |
| 05:20.25 | gravity | smj: Any idea why the updates are on hold? |
| 05:20.25 | _alch | anyone able to solve my problem? |
| 05:20.31 | gravity | That's a surprise to say the least |
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| 05:20.58 | Overand | How many of the kernel level bugs/security holes are going to affect a web server that doesn't have any users on it other than you? |
| 05:21.23 | jstevens | any clue why my /media/cdrom deletes itself when I reboot? |
| 05:21.52 | gravity | jstevens: Perhaps it's managed by discover1 |
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| 05:21.56 | mdh | _alch: sounds like you may have some fs corruption. yuo can edit the file by hand and fix it. |
| 05:21.57 | smj | mdh, doub: I'm looking at rolling my own. I wasn't going to because I've come to rely on the stability of the distro, but I guess it's time I get back to my make menuconfig roots. |
| 05:22.25 | smj | Overand: Actually, I don't think it's gonna affect my web server too much. The server only has 2 users at the moment, including me. |
| 05:22.25 | spaere | Hello all - I was wondering if anyone could help me with a printing problem, i've setup cups and added the printer and all but when i try to print a test page from the web interface i get the error: client-error-not-found |
| 05:22.30 | jstevens | gravity1: why would discover1 remove the mount point on me? |
| 05:22.40 | smj | Overand: And if I can't trust my sister on the server, then I've got more serious problems. |
| 05:22.45 | Guerout | smj: have you got a link to a mailing list message explaining this? |
| 05:22.53 | smj | Guerout: Gimme sec. |
| 05:22.58 | Guerout | smj: cheers |
| 05:23.05 | gravity | jstevens: Because it's a quirky "feature" in discover1 that was removed in discover2. You can run dpkg-reconfigure discover1 to turn that off |
| 05:23.18 | fusibou | spaere apt-get install cupsys-client? |
| 05:24.09 | _alch | mdh: just edited /var/lib/dpkg/status .. line was screwed and missing S on status ;p |
| 05:24.13 | spaere | fusibou: no luck :( |
| 05:24.27 | mdh | client-error-not-found sounds mysteriously similar to "...terminated with the following error: the action completed successfully" |
| 05:24.46 | drac | heh |
| 05:25.08 | mdh | _alch: fs corruption happens sometimes. luckily debian uses plain text files so you can fix them easily |
| 05:25.41 | jstevens | gravity: ok, I'm looking for discover2 but can't findit in synaptic... is it supposed to be there (running sarge) |
| 05:25.50 | gravity | jstevens: Just install discover |
| 05:25.54 | gravity | jstevens: discover == discover2 |
| 05:26.13 | spaere | it's a usb printer and it's showing up and all in the configuration etc... and i've installed the hp-ppd files |
| 05:26.16 | _alch | mdh: just ruin it for me, i thought i was all good and that .. ;P |
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| 05:26.24 | spaere | (it's an hp deskjet 932c) |
| 05:26.45 | fusibou | spaere can you successfully do ls >> /dev/lp0? |
| 05:26.59 | fusibou | spaere assuming that's where your printer shows up in dev |
| 05:27.07 | smj | Guerout: Well... Start here: http://lists.debian.org/debian-security/2005/01/msg00201.html |
| 05:27.08 | mdh | _alch: how are you not good? |
| 05:27.16 | jstevens | gravity: cool, thanks |
| 05:27.18 | smj | Guerout: I'm looking for the word from the official Debian folks. |
| 05:27.25 | _alch | mdh: dunno, just burst my ego back there.. ;) |
| 05:27.56 | spaere | fusibou: ah yea that worked, but i had to sudo it, do i need to configure a specific user for the web test page? |
| 05:29.38 | Guerout | smj: cheers. This is what I get for being too busy to read my mailing lists :( |
| 05:30.00 | fusibou | spaere my ls -al /dev/lp0 looks like this crw-rw---- 1 root lp 6, 0 2005-01-29 10:54 /dev/lp0 |
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| 05:31.09 | spaere | fusibou: permissions are same here =\ |
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| 05:32.28 | smj | gravity, Guerout: And here's the one about why updates are on hold (maybe I'm misinterpreting): http://lists.debian.org/debian-security/2005/01/msg00232.html |
| 05:32.44 | fusibou | spaere so you did already install cupsys-client? |
| 05:32.50 | spaere | fusibou: yes i did |
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| 05:33.10 | smj | mdh: make-kpkg? |
| 05:33.19 | spaere | fusibou: |
| 05:33.35 | spaere | fusibou: oh man... sorry i figured it out. i was remotely using the web interface through an ssh tunnel |
| 05:33.44 | spaere | fusibou: and it changed the port when i hit test pages going to my local cups server |
| 05:33.50 | bob2 | wow, good to see "jan minar" maintaing a cool and collected attitude there |
| 05:33.56 | spaere | fusibou: so heh.. it works perfectly. grahh. thanks a lot though :) |
| 05:33.58 | bob2 | cafuego: I am now? |
| 05:34.01 | gravity | bob2: Yeah, no shit |
| 05:34.05 | mdh | smj: from kernel-package |
| 05:34.16 | gravity | So it basically amounts to: Joey is busy |
| 05:34.18 | fusibou | spaere ok |
| 05:34.29 | smj | mdh: Ahhh... Didn't have the right pkg name. Danke. |
| 05:34.33 | difeta | is there a program that lets me manage the packages on multiple debian machines from one interface? |
| 05:35.04 | mdh | smj: make-kpkg is one of the tools inside, its the one you actually call to build a .deb of kernel images and modules and so forth |
| 05:35.04 | bob2 | and: maintaining humourously old kernels on 11 architectures is hard and thankless |
| 05:35.07 | smj | gravity: That's what I got out of it. I feel bad because I wanted to recommend Debian over RH on a security project and... well... now I can't really well defend that, now can I? |
| 05:35.23 | smj | mdh: So, I can use it on a vanilla kernel? |
| 05:35.32 | mdh | smj: yes |
| 05:35.36 | bob2 | smj: use a non stupidly old kernel |
| 05:35.43 | bob2 | smj: like one released in the past year, say |
| 05:35.55 | smj | mdh: Cool... Wanted to make sure we were on the same page. :-) |
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| 05:36.16 | mdh | smj: first you "make-kpkg clean" in the top-level, then do your .config stuff (eg, make menuconfig, make oldconfig, whatever), then make-kpkg --revision=foo.1 kernel-image |
| 05:36.29 | CraigDun | How do I make a user so they that have all the same stuff as root kinda? When i made a user they didnt have access to mixer or iwconfig |
| 05:36.55 | mdh | smj: there's heaps more stuff you can to with it too, check its doco out |
| 05:36.57 | nevyn_ | CraigDun: iwconfig is hard. mixer is add them to the audio group |
| 05:37.00 | smj | mdh: This is what I like about Debian, all of these things have been thought of already. To do this for an RPM-based distro, I'd have one hell of a spec file to write. |
| 05:37.20 | dondelelcaro | smj: /msg dpkg kp mantra; will help you out as well |
| 05:37.33 | simonrvn | i wouldn't want to see the spec file for say, xfree |
| 05:37.38 | dondelelcaro | yick |
| 05:37.40 | simonrvn | *shudder* |
| 05:37.46 | zu22 | egads! |
| 05:37.48 | uGexe | I have [fglrx] module loaded - fglrx 8.8.25 on minor 0 inside my dmesg, but when i try to startx it says it cant find the module fglrx |
| 05:37.49 | CraigDun | nevyn_: how hard? |
| 05:38.00 | dondelelcaro | considering that the debian diff.gz is absolutely gigantic... |
| 05:38.01 | fusibou | CraigDun: apt-get install sudo; man sudo |
| 05:38.25 | smj | dondelelcaro: gracias |
| 05:38.31 | nevyn_ | CraigDun: ummm.. you'd probably need to to do sudo setup stuff. |
| 05:38.41 | CraigDun | hmmm |
| 05:38.45 | smj | simonrvn: spec files have their place |
| 05:38.46 | mdh | do people still use legacy tools like rpm? |
| 05:38.51 | smj | mdh: LOL |
| 05:38.57 | simonrvn | smj: /dev/null :P |
| 05:39.02 | mdh | didn't that go the way of the dodo like those legacy distros that used it? |
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| 05:39.04 | drac | Situation: 2 machines, desktop with 100gb, server with 4gb hdd. Both allways on, and same lan. I'm planning to use SHFS to use my desktop hdd for /home at server. Is that working idea? Or am I crazy? |
| 05:39.19 | zu22 | is there place to submit custom debian script packages? my friend wrote apt package for dialup and low bandwidth users which is a collection of bash scripts so i dont think it qualifies as a proper package eh? |
| 05:39.22 | Borgon | Can someone explain to me whats a disk image? |
| 05:39.24 | simonrvn | still on the shfs eh? |
| 05:39.29 | drac | yep :) |
| 05:39.32 | CraigDun | is there anyway i can setup in iwconfig to have connect to differnt wlans? 1 WLAN at home where I have a static IP and 1 at school with a differnt ip and dynamic ip |
| 05:39.54 | fusibou | CraigDun check out laptop-net |
| 05:40.07 | mdh | drac: nfs is easier |
| 05:40.41 | CraigDun | fusibou: where do i find that? |
| 05:40.55 | gravity | zu22: You can submit an RFP (Request for Package) on it |
| 05:41.00 | fusibou | CraigDun it's a debian package; you can google for its homepage |
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| 05:41.29 | gravity | zu22: Alternately, your friend can find a debian developer willing to upload the package in to debian, if it's up to snuff (policy-compliant, DFSG-Free, etc) |
| 05:41.32 | CraigDun | fusibou: alright |
| 05:41.43 | dondelelcaro | zu22: alternatively, if it uses a specific package, you can ask the maintainer to include it in the examples/ of the package to which it is most closely associated |
| 05:41.44 | CraigDun | fusibou: any idea why the battery monitor for gnome panel wouldnt work? |
| 05:41.52 | zu22 | gravity: ok |
| 05:41.59 | fusibou | fusibou: apm or acpi?: |
| 05:42.04 | smj | Woody runs lilo by default, right? |
| 05:42.10 | bob2 | smj: yes |
| 05:42.12 | fusibou | CraigDun apm or acpi?: |
| 05:42.16 | dondelelcaro | smj: depends on the architecture |
| 05:42.17 | bob2 | CraigDun: probably acpi or apm isn't working at all then |
| 05:42.18 | zu22 | dondelelcaro: ah good idea, apt-cache show apt will show me who is apt maintainer right? |
| 05:42.48 | smj | bob2, dondelelcaro: Looks like the folks down in Texas installed grub on my server. Ok. Plan B. |
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| 05:42.52 | gravity | zu22: Yes |
| 05:42.56 | dondelelcaro | zu22: oh... yeah, that's maintained by diety@lists.debian.org |
| 05:43.05 | CraigDun | fusibou: is that a hardware or software problem? |
| 05:43.08 | zu22 | ok thx! |
| 05:43.09 | mdh | smj: smart folks down south there ;) |
| 05:43.34 | dondelelcaro | zu22: that might be a bit different... since apt is installed everywhere, it's a bit less likely... however, the maintainers may have suggestions... |
| 05:43.35 | fusibou | CraigDun do you know what apm and acpi are? they are drivers to interface with your system and include power management features. do you know which if nay you are using |
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| 05:43.43 | smj | mdh: I prefer grub myself, bit I have no physical access to the machine, so I'm a bit squeamish about rebooting it to a new kernel. |
| 05:44.03 | lostsole | I have a newbie problem with apt - is this the right place? |
| 05:44.19 | dondelelcaro | lostsole: yes... just ask your question |
| 05:44.23 | zu22 | dondelelcaro: ok, http://quozl.linux.org.au/apt-walkabout/ |
| 05:44.23 | simonrvn | yes |
| 05:44.25 | CraigDun | fusibou: not sure. are there debian packages for those? |
| 05:44.32 | chealer | bob2: even CAN 2005-0001 took about 20 days to be fixed on 2.6.8 I think |
| 05:44.44 | fusibou | CraigDun a few questions first |
| 05:44.45 | bob2 | chealer: url? |
| 05:44.55 | fusibou | CraigDun which kernel? which laptop brand/model? |
| 05:45.16 | chealer | http://www.cve.mitre.org/cgi-bin/cvename.cgi?name=CAN-2005-0001 |
| 05:45.16 | chealer | http://packages.qa.debian.org/k/kernel-source-2.6.8/news/1.html |
| 05:45.49 | mdh | smj: you should be far less squeamish about grub than lilo, at least you don't have to scerw with the boot sector each time you make a new one |
| 05:45.52 | dondelelcaro | zu22: oh, yeah... that's a totally separate package... although, you may have your friend explain why it's different from apt-move, and whether apt-move should be (could be?) extended to do the same thing |
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| 05:46.12 | CraigDun | fusibou: 2.6.8-1-i386 the 1 sarge installed. laptop is a cicero. not sure on the model #. its a centrino |
| 05:46.20 | dondelelcaro | smj: someone has to know the grub -R equivalent... |
| 05:46.24 | lostsole | thanks: I am tring to install Firefox on a new woody installation. Firefox wants libc6.2.3.x but apt-get only shows libc6.2.2.x. There is a libc6.2.3.x available in the testing dist but I can't get dselect/apt to look at the testing distribution. |
| 05:46.24 | smj | mdh: This is very, very true, but is there some way to tell grub which kernel to boot from /sbin/reboot? |
| 05:46.36 | fusibou | CraigDun do lsmod | grep acpi |
| 05:46.44 | fusibou | CraigDun also do lsmod | grep apm |
| 05:46.46 | bob2 | chealer: that sucks, but it's not the most critical vulnerability ever |
| 05:46.54 | mdh | smj: just edit the menu.lst and make sure the one you want to boot from is the default :) |
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| 05:46.58 | chealer | bob2: hopefully :| |
| 05:47.06 | fusibou | CraigDun also ps aux | grep acpi |
| 05:47.14 | fusibou | CraigDun and ps aux | grep apm |
| 05:47.19 | zu22 | dondelelcaro: ok will let him know, thx (: |
| 05:47.33 | mdh | smj: you can hook grub into kernel-package so after you build a new kernel, the menu.lst is automatically updated with the kernel you just installed |
| 05:47.49 | CraigDun | fousibou: nothing in lsmod for either. |
| 05:47.49 | smj | mdh: That's all well and good until it doesn't boot. What if what I set as the default kernel won't boot? Now, here I am 2k miles away and I can't fix the problem. |
| 05:48.09 | bob2 | lostsole: don't bother |
| 05:48.16 | CraigDun | fousibu: 1 entry for each from ps aux |
| 05:48.16 | fusibou | CraigDun ok |
| 05:48.17 | bob2 | lostsole: find firefox for woody or upgrade to sarge |
| 05:48.35 | fusibou | CraigDun ok. try modprobe apm |
| 05:48.43 | mdh | smj: a) ensure it boots b) find someone nearby who can attend the server if it doesn't |
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| 05:48.52 | CraigDun | fusibou: no such device |
| 05:49.03 | fusibou | CraigDun ok try modprobe acpi |
| 05:49.05 | smj | mdh: a) I can do from here no prob, b) will cost me $$$ |
| 05:49.21 | smj | mdh: It's a colo server I'm renting from Server Beach. |
| 05:49.24 | CraigDun | fusibou: that worked |
| 05:49.37 | fusibou | CraigDun does your battery applet work? |
| 05:49.57 | smj | mdh: I'm thinking, if I've got enough bandwidth, of putting up a Debian mirror at some point, but I've gotta get the web site up first. :-) |
| 05:50.12 | zignig | bob2: bleh to you and your cat |
| 05:50.13 | CraigDun | fusibou: negative |
| 05:50.20 | bob2 | zignig: and you and yours! |
| 05:50.41 | mdh | smj: its never good to be offsite when forced to reboot. there's really not a lot you can do though bar the obvious things |
| 05:50.55 | fusibou | CraigDun is there an /etc/init.d/acpid? |
| 05:50.56 | mdh | (like triple-checking everything is correct) |
| 05:51.01 | uGexe | fusibou: dmesg said that the module was loaded, yet x windows still says there is no such module fglrx. is there perhaps a x windows driver directory or something |
| 05:51.15 | zignig | bob2: I set a new personal d-i record this morning, 11.3 minutes ( for a multidomain email server with webmail ) |
| 05:51.28 | CraigDun | fusibou: nope |
| 05:51.34 | bob2 | zignig: haha, wow |
| 05:51.35 | mdh | smj: could you UML that new kernel on the same box so at least you know if its working? ;) |
| 05:51.38 | fusibou | CraigDun apt-get install acpid |
| 05:51.50 | zignig | bob2: local package cache ( 100Mb network ) |
| 05:51.50 | fusibou | uGexe have you looked at the x-server logs in /var/log |
| 05:52.02 | smj | mdh: I was hoping there was a way I could force the appropriate kernel to boot, and if it doesn't, just have it boot the old one by default. I can reboot it from a web page. I invision me pushing the button on the web page actually drops the power from the server for a few so it will reboot. |
| 05:52.27 | smj | mdh: UML's a good idea. Haven't done that in a while. :-) |
| 05:52.30 | bob2 | zignig: ah, right |
| 05:52.41 | bob2 | zignig: last time I tried I was bound by my server's disk speed |
| 05:53.10 | uGexe | fusibou: there is no new information in the log. however, make this will bring some light on the problem? http://misc.ug-pro.com/problem.jpg |
| 05:53.11 | mdh | smj: I don't know of any boot loader that supports what you want :( |
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| 05:53.52 | zignig | bob2: scsi3 - raid ;P |
| 05:54.16 | mdh | smj: forcing the approriate kernel to boot is simply a matter of editing /boot/grub/menu.lst |
| 05:54.34 | mdh | smj: but if it doesn't boot, you're SOL |
| 05:54.43 | fusibou | uGexe i remember there was the stickler that the kernel and the fglrx had to be compiled with the same kernel |
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| 05:55.04 | floppyears | hello |
| 05:55.05 | fusibou | uGexe i don't know if your current kernel is the same as used to compile your kernel |
| 05:55.05 | smj | mdh: It's ok. I've got a few other issues to resolve, and all of the later security advisories deal with local users acquiring elevated privs, so I'll be ok for now. |
| 05:55.06 | uGexe | fusibou: they were compiled with the same |
| 05:55.18 | floppyears | could somebody tell me if there is a debian package for x.org |
| 05:55.18 | smj | mdh: I'm gonna get some shuteye and revisit this tomorrow. |
| 05:55.25 | mdh | smj: good luck! |
| 05:55.30 | gravity | floppyears: /topic |
| 05:55.35 | smj | mdh: Thanks for introducing me to make-kpkg!!! :-) |
| 05:55.45 | smj | dondelelcaro: Thanks for the info on make-kpkg!!! :-) |
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| 05:56.27 | CraigDun | fusibou: big problem now. after installing that package the system halted. now when i turn it back on it halts itself |
| 05:57.40 | smj | Oh, one more thing, I don't need to update modutils or anything in order to run 2.4.29 on Woody, do I? |
| 05:58.01 | AvengerMoJo | tomcat is there howto in debian |
| 05:58.10 | Borgon | Can someone explain to me whats a distribution disk image? |
| 05:58.21 | floppyears | gravity: do you use x.org and debian ? |
| 05:58.31 | gravity | floppyears: No |
| 05:58.34 | smj | Borgon: A disc image is an image of a filesystem usually. |
| 05:58.44 | fusibou | CraigDun ok you need to edit your boot line and add acpi=off to the end of your kernel line |
| 05:58.53 | fusibou | CraigDun in grub/lilo |
| 05:59.02 | smj | Borgon: Like a CD-ROM ISO image is a complete CD-ROM all enclosed in one file. |
| 05:59.09 | simonrvn | floppyears: /msg dpkg xorg |
| 05:59.10 | CraigDun | fusibou: then what? |
| 05:59.21 | smj | Borgon: Does this lead you any further on the path to understanding? |
| 05:59.30 | floppyears | simonrvn: I know, but it just seems like such a popular package should already be in debian |
| 05:59.33 | floppyears | at least in unstable |
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| 05:59.47 | simonrvn | no. after sarge |
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| 05:59.56 | Borgon | smj, so a disk image is a preinstalled system ? can you make a image of a current installed and configured system? |
| 06:00.18 | Borgon | smj, am just asking because am playing with xen virtualization and they talk about disk images being used and mounted but i didnt know exactly what there were |
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| 06:00.20 | fusibou | CraigDun boot with that parameter |
| 06:00.37 | CraigDun | fusibou: i did that, now what? remove that package? |
| 06:00.53 | smj | Borgon: A disk image can be a preinstalled system. |
| 06:01.07 | smj | Borgon: I know nothing of xen virtualization, though, sorry. |
| 06:01.14 | fusibou | CraigDun yep, remove acpid i guess |
| 06:01.26 | fusibou | CraigDun that's why i tried apm first |
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| 06:01.39 | CraigDun | fusibou: what do i try now? |
| 06:01.40 | smj | Borgon: A disk image is pretty much just what it says, an IMAGE of a DISK, whether it be CD-ROM, hard drive partition, floppy, etc... |
| 06:01.46 | fusibou | CraigDun you're sure you can't modprobe apm hm? |
| 06:01.59 | CraigDun | fusibou: ill try 1 more time |
| 06:02.10 | smj | Borgon: I've made entire disk images of the C: driver on Windows to move between machines of the exact same hardware. |
| 06:02.40 | smj | Borgon: Disk images are also used to make CD-ROMS. These are usually called "ISO images". |
| 06:02.50 | CraigDun | fusibou: it seems to have worked this time |
| 06:02.51 | fusibou | uGexe i found a couple others with your problem through google but no answers to them either |
| 06:03.03 | fusibou | CraigDun yay! apt-get install apmd |
| 06:03.22 | cycom | anyone ever get potato running on an old macintosh SE30? |
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| 06:03.40 | toresbe | cycom: ye gods |
| 06:03.44 | fusibou | CraigDun actually i know what happened; acpi must've been running already before and prevented its competitor apm from loading; using acpi=off prevented that this time |
| 06:03.50 | toresbe | cycom: ...yes |
| 06:03.54 | smj | Borgon: So, does this help any? |
| 06:03.54 | uGexe | fusibou: does x windows have its own driver folder or something? since it obviously doesn't modprobe to find the driver, im wondering how it tries to find them |
| 06:04.02 | cycom | toresbe: recently? |
| 06:04.21 | fusibou | uGexe i didn't think so but i'm not an X expert |
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| 06:04.47 | toresbe | cycom: no :P |
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| 06:05.10 | CraigDun | fusibou: errors encountered |
| 06:05.22 | fusibou | uGexe i know someone said this wasn't reasonable, but did you try copying your fglrx.ko to that other directory in the /lib/modules? |
| 06:05.24 | cycom | well, do you have any of the stuff you used? half the links to the files are dead, and the other half have files that won't run on my SE 30! |
| 06:05.28 | fusibou | CraigDun what happened |
| 06:05.43 | nvz | do I need to be root to update-menus? ir runs as user without errors and is not suid ? |
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| 06:05.55 | uGexe | fusibou: i told him too, but he has gone to bed |
| 06:06.09 | cycom | the partitioner, bootloader etc |
| 06:06.10 | CraigDun | invoke-rc.d: initscript apmd, action "start" failed |
| 06:06.16 | uGexe | in the folder it currently resides in, it is not to be found in modconf |
| 06:06.19 | fusibou | uGexe he is smart. it seems to me i might have done the copy thing. it's been a long while since i installed fglrx |
| 06:06.23 | CraigDun | dpkg: error processing apmd |
| 06:06.24 | dpkg | parse error: dunno what the heck you're talking about, CraigDun |
| 06:06.26 | smj | Cya folks, I'm outtie... |
| 06:07.08 | fusibou | CraigDun try apt-get update then try again |
| 06:07.30 | CraigDun | fusibou |
| 06:07.31 | CraigDun | same thing |
| 06:07.54 | brynjarh | Where is the config file for ssh? More precisely where do I change what ports ssh listens to? |
| 06:08.12 | bob2 | you mean the daemon |
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| 06:08.21 | nvz | brynjarh: /etc/ssh/sshd |
| 06:08.26 | bob2 | confusingly, it's in /etc/ssh/ with the name sshd_config |
| 06:08.39 | nvz | brynjarh: and as bob2 said, you mean sshd and its sshd_config |
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| 06:08.41 | simonrvn | bob2: you were right |
| 06:08.51 | cafuego | bob2: Looks like I'm not going to attend linux.conf.au |
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| 06:09.06 | bob2 | cafuego: bah |
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| 06:09.14 | bob2 | cafuego: your excuse had better be good |
| 06:09.17 | cafuego | bob2: washing machine broke so badly we need a new one |
| 06:09.28 | nvz | heh |
| 06:09.31 | gravity | That's what the laundromat is for. Priorities! |
| 06:09.32 | CraigDun | fusibou: /etc/init.d/apmd: line 54: 4148 Segmentation fault start-stop-daemon --start --quiet --exec "${APMD_BIN}" -- -P /etc/apm/apmd_proxy ${APMD} |
| 06:09.38 | nvz | heh |
| 06:09.46 | brynjarh | I don't have the folder /etc/ssh, and there is no sshd_config file on my computer. I did not set up ssh my self by the way, everything is as it comes with the default installation. |
| 06:09.47 | jdnewmil | hello... I was happily plodding along in sarge when I turned a corner called kernel 2.6 and found myself in alices wonderland, where my symlink from /dev/cdrom to /dev/scd0 for my cd burner is gone, and so is /dev/scd0, and there seem to be /.dev and /dev filesystems... so I am thinking devfs is strange... can someone tell me where to read about how to fix this? |
| 06:09.48 | nvz | haha |
| 06:09.59 | bob2 | cafuego: ah, dang |
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| 06:10.11 | zu22 | cafuego: i got on my Spider Man Underoos :) |
| 06:10.11 | uGexe | fusibou: looking at my own installation, i have found in /usr/X11R6/lib/modules/drivers i have a single file.. nvidia_drv.o |
| 06:10.15 | cafuego | gravity: laundromats 1) are FAR more expensive (in the long run) and 2) have machines that don't actually CLEAN clothing |
| 06:10.16 | simonrvn | jdnewmil: not devfs. udev |
| 06:10.30 | nevyn | brynjarh: but you have a ssh executable? |
| 06:10.31 | gravity | cafuego: Yeah, but for the short term it could allow you to attend. |
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| 06:10.37 | cafuego | bob2: Depending on interest free terms, maybe... |
| 06:10.39 | fusibou | CraigDun was there anything else in the error? |
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| 06:10.51 | zu22 | cafuego: hand washing is most efficient |
| 06:10.51 | cafuego | gravity: Yes, and in the long run I'd STILL be going to the laundromat. |
| 06:10.53 | CraigDun | nope |
| 06:10.55 | gravity | hehe |
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| 06:11.08 | brynjarh | nevyn: no, there is no ssh executable file.. |
| 06:11.12 | bob2 | handwashing is possibly the most tedious thing in the universe |
| 06:11.14 | thoreauputic | jdnewmil: relink to /dev/hdd or whatever (scsi emulation is deprecated in 2.6) |
| 06:11.18 | cafuego | (admittedly, there IS A booze shop next to the local laundromat...) |
| 06:11.19 | Knight595 | hey |
| 06:11.23 | Knight595 | using debian |
| 06:11.24 | nevyn | brynjarh: how do you know ssh is installed? |
| 06:11.26 | Knight595 | just installed |
| 06:11.31 | bob2 | cafuego: Get Hammered While U Wash! |
| 06:11.36 | bob2 | they just need a new slogan |
| 06:11.37 | zu22 | bob2: we so spoiled and lazy since electricity :) |
| 06:11.38 | fusibou | uGexe i wonder if those are the built in drivers |
| 06:11.38 | cafuego | bob2: Pff. tell me about it! (Machine broke a week and a half ago) |
| 06:11.42 | Knight595 | anyone help me with some stuff? |
| 06:11.56 | fusibou | CraigDun did you already remove acpid? |
| 06:12.04 | CraigDun | fusibou: yes |
| 06:12.04 | Knight595 | how do i know if my Apache is running |
| 06:12.07 | brynjarh | Because I connected to my computer few days ago through ssh, but that was before another clean install though.. maybe I just don't have it then.. :) mmm.. I'll go check. |
| 06:12.16 | uGexe | fusibou: its the only driver there, and i'm pretty sure that its the nvidia driver that you have to build and whatnot yourself |
| 06:12.17 | thoreauputic | Knight595: no, all 728 of us will ignore you ;) |
| 06:12.22 | CraigDun | fusibou: should i maybe restart and try again? |
| 06:12.25 | nevyn | brynjarh: just apt-get install ssh |
| 06:12.32 | zu22 | cafuego: actually i see some laundrymat/net cafe you can warwalk :) |
| 06:12.34 | Knight595 | 729 |
| 06:12.36 | Knight595 | lol |
| 06:12.45 | cafuego | zu22: long walk from here to there, though. |
| 06:12.48 | chealer | Knight595: try /etc/init.d/apache restart |
| 06:12.49 | thoreauputic | I didn't count you :) |
| 06:12.56 | zu22 | cafuego: heh |
| 06:12.57 | cafuego | well, today I could SWIM halfway there |
| 06:13.04 | Knight595 | is debain like fedora? |
| 06:13.09 | brynjarh | nevyn: Okay I don't have it installed, I'm installing it right now.. I thought ssh came installed by default. |
| 06:13.11 | bob2 | zu22: lazines is my prime virtue! |
| 06:13.13 | cafuego | Knight595: Crap? No. |
| 06:13.14 | bob2 | Knight595: no |
| 06:13.15 | Knight595 | like the files are like almost in the same place? |
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| 06:13.22 | zu22 | bob2: haha |
| 06:13.22 | thoreauputic | Knight595: debain? |
| 06:13.29 | fusibou | CraigDun not sure where to go from here, sorry; doesn't sound like a Cicero plays nice with power management. maybe google re cicero and apm and cicero and acpi |
| 06:13.32 | Knight595 | yea |
| 06:13.39 | zu22 | cafuego: or you can war-fly_first_class if you got some money to burn ;) |
| 06:13.53 | Knight595 | also about apt-get |
| 06:13.58 | cafuego | zu22: Not money, I *do* have 170k points though |
| 06:14.00 | Knight595 | how can i search for packages |
| 06:14.02 | fusibou | uGexe the name of the built driver is fglrx.ko |
| 06:14.08 | zu22 | cafuego: wow neat |
| 06:14.16 | thoreauputic | Knight595: apt-cache search <name> |
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| 06:14.21 | cafuego | but those are supposed to fly out half my parents :-) |
| 06:14.51 | jdnewmil | thoreauputic: I only seem to have /dev/hdaN ... but I have ide cdburner and dvdrom drives on hdc and hdd ... would the old ide-scsi interfere with those devices or would it quietly cease to work? |
| 06:14.56 | zu22 | cafuego: how many parents do you have man?! ;) |
| 06:14.57 | cafuego | zu22: Yeh, getting flown to brazil and back via business class (and waving yer card around, so you get the points) really helps the tally. |
| 06:15.01 | cafuego | zu22: two |
| 06:15.11 | uGexe | fusibou: i am refering to a different system. i mentioned it because the driver is in a xfree86 folder, so perhaps the fglrx driver needs to go there as well |
| 06:15.18 | cafuego | zu22: it's 140k for an economy return to europe, though |
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| 06:15.41 | zu22 | cafuego: ah brasil, now there is some lovely women hehe |
| 06:16.00 | cafuego | zu22: Hmm, there were actually... |
| 06:16.03 | zu22 | cafuego: wonder how many points if i fly from US->Australia->China->US heh |
| 06:16.10 | cafuego | Not in the same learjet i was in, tho |
| 06:16.17 | thoreauputic | jdnewmil: here it quietly ceased to work - I relinked the devices to /dev/hdc and /dev/hdd and now k3b works again :) |
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| 06:16.27 | cafuego | zu22: Better off getting a round the world |
| 06:16.35 | zu22 | cafuego: i've done some learing but sadly no lear jet yet for me! |
| 06:16.46 | CraigDun | fusibou: i installed apmd after a reboot and it worked. what to do now? |
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| 06:16.57 | cafuego | zu22: I was lucky, we were supposed to take the chopper, but that was out shopping <heh> |
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| 06:17.08 | zu22 | cafuego: bahhhhh :) |
| 06:17.09 | fusibou | CraigDun is the apm module loaded? |
| 06:17.13 | cafuego | whoa! |
| 06:17.19 | cafuego | http://mirror.bom.gov.au/products/IDR023.shtml |
| 06:17.25 | cafuego | The 3y3 of melbourne |
| 06:17.28 | fusibou | uGexe you may be right. i am not on my fglrx system right now to check. |
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| 06:17.36 | jdnewmil | thoreauputic and simonrvn: thanks, I'll go read about udev for awhile |
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| 06:17.40 | thoreauputic | jdnewmil: also if you have ide-scsi lines in lilo.conf, remove them |
| 06:17.51 | CraigDun | fusibou: modprobe apm? |
| 06:18.03 | fusibou | CraigDun yes |
| 06:18.09 | brynjarh | nevyn: ssh up and running, configured like I want to. Thanks. :) |
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| 06:18.13 | lkthomas | hey all |
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| 06:18.19 | lkthomas | does anyone want free hosting ? |
| 06:18.21 | CraigDun | fusibou: got that device not found error again |
| 06:18.23 | zu22 | cafuego: doppler radar? |
| 06:18.27 | cafuego | zu22: yep |
| 06:18.30 | CraigDun | fusibou: how do i get apm to start on boot? |
| 06:19.01 | thoreauputic | CraigDun: put a line with apm in /etc/modules |
| 06:19.02 | uGexe | fusibou: i believe this to be the case as I have found 1 link that had someone creating a symbolic think to one another.. ala (ln -s /lib/modules/fglrx/fglrx.o /usr/X11R6/lib/modules/fglrx.o) |
| 06:19.13 | fusibou | CraigDun ok. here's what's happening. acpi is loading automatically. you have to add acpi=off to your kernel line in your lilo or grub boot file; then add apm to your /etc/modules file |
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| 06:19.28 | jasz | how do i upgrade from ext2 to ext3 ? |
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| 06:19.37 | cafuego | jasz: man tune2fs (See -j) |
| 06:19.43 | CraigDun | fusibou: alright ill try that |
| 06:19.46 | fusibou | uGexe cool. that sounds familiar |
| 06:19.49 | jasz | ok |
| 06:19.49 | streuner__ | jasz: /msg dpkg ext2->ext3 |
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| 06:20.05 | unperson | If you're using a synaptics touchpad, is roll of of the SHMConfig option in the X config just to allow reconfiguration on the fly? Assuming you aren't going to want to readjust the settings often, is there any reason not to just put the settings you want in the X config and leave it at that? |
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| 06:21.07 | Knight595 | wheres the apache config file? |
| 06:21.21 | jasz | Knight595, /etc/apache/httpd.conf |
| 06:21.39 | Knight595 | also |
| 06:21.43 | Knight595 | whats the cups thing? |
| 06:21.49 | Knight595 | localhost:port? |
| 06:22.06 | jasz | cafuego, streuner__ , no formatting necessry.. right? |
| 06:22.07 | fusibou | Knight595 631 |
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| 06:22.48 | jasz | ext3 is supposed to be faster than ext2.. right? |
| 06:22.57 | crageo | how do I rerun the debian x11 configuration? |
| 06:23.06 | crageo | what is the name of the binary |
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| 06:23.26 | fusibou | jasz i doubt it; ext3 adds journalling to ext2 |
| 06:23.26 | thoreauputic | jasz: no, it's the same but with a journal ( slower if anything) |
| 06:23.57 | unperson | crageo, dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xfree86 |
| 06:24.05 | crageo | thanks |
| 06:24.09 | jasz | so if i want better performance.. i should upgrade to reiserfs or xfs? or is it the same (performance wise) |
| 06:24.23 | jm_ | crageo: read the FAQ |
| 06:24.34 | fusibou | jasz depends on what your application is; if general desktop use, who cares? |
| 06:24.35 | thoreauputic | jasz: depends on file sizes, what you are doing etc etc |
| 06:24.42 | CraigDun | fusibou: alright i did all that |
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| 06:25.08 | fusibou | CraigDun so apm shows up in lsmod and apmd shows up in ps aux? |
| 06:25.17 | fusibou | CraigDun if so your battery applet should work |
| 06:25.52 | crageo | I still have that problem dpkg-reconfigure does not create a config file |
| 06:25.59 | jasz | fusibou, thoreauputic ... i use it as a desktop... gimp, firefox, thunderbird.. and development... java.. php... ObjC.... apache.. postgresql.... no need for reiser fs.. right? |
| 06:26.00 | MikeFair | Hi all, I'm looking for an expert who can tell me how to track down a process that's trying to scan the internet but won't show it's name or PID in /proc, lsof, netstat -- Yes I made sure to restore all the proper hacked binaries... the only thing I can get is netstat -auntp which will give me the ports with a status SYN_SENT but a PID/NAME of - |
| 06:26.01 | CraigDun | fusibou: kapmd shows up in psaux |
| 06:26.02 | cat | creichen: it should |
| 06:26.07 | crageo | I was asking because configure-debian wasn't doing it either |
| 06:26.15 | thoreauputic | crageo: I bet you edited it manually. didn't you? |
| 06:26.20 | crageo | yes |
| 06:26.23 | jm_ | then you have messes iwith it by hand |
| 06:26.26 | jm_ | serves you right |
| 06:26.27 | crageo | but I deleated it |
| 06:26.32 | jm_ | that doesn't help |
| 06:26.37 | thoreauputic | crageo: readthe top of the file |
| 06:26.47 | fusibou | <PROTECTED> |
| 06:26.56 | CraigDun | its not there |
| 06:26.59 | fusibou | CraigDun you can try to start with /etc/init.d/./apmd restart |
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| 06:27.08 | fusibou | CraigDun i suspect it won't work |
| 06:27.25 | Knight595 | hey |
| 06:27.29 | fusibou | CraigDun considering how acpi hung your computer, it may be a cicero problem with linux |
| 06:27.36 | Knight595 | where do i put the .pdd files in? |
| 06:27.39 | Knight595 | for printers |
| 06:27.54 | Knight595 | .ppd* |
| 06:27.54 | crageo | thoreauputic: where is the topic? |
| 06:28.04 | fusibou | jasz i've used both and don't notice much difference for desktop stuff; reiser is supposed to be good handling LOTS of little files |
| 06:28.25 | chealer | Knight595: probably /usr/share/cups/model/ |
| 06:28.41 | CraigDun | fusibou: it fails to restart |
| 06:28.44 | Knight595 | thx :) |
| 06:28.51 | CraigDun | fusibou: error line 54 |
| 06:28.51 | thoreauputic | crageo: ? type /topic forchannel topic, or just reread the warning in XF86Config-4 |
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| 06:29.07 | crageo | ok thx |
| 06:29.43 | Knight595 | ok now |
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| 06:29.52 | Knight595 | how do i login to root? |
| 06:30.03 | Knight595 | at the login screen says root cant login here |
| 06:30.10 | Guerout | Knight595: gui? |
| 06:30.12 | thoreauputic | Knight595: you don't |
| 06:30.17 | fusibou | CraigDun sounds like you need to report it as a bug. bear in mind that your notebook may not operate properly without some kind of power management (ie. you need a fan cooling your CPU). if acpi worked for that much, you should probably re enable it |
| 06:30.19 | Knight595 | ... |
| 06:30.25 | thoreauputic | Knight595: use su |
| 06:30.30 | Guerout | Knight595: is it a gui login screen? |
| 06:30.36 | Knight595 | yea Guer |
| 06:30.49 | Guerout | Knight595: never log into X as root. Ever. For any reason. |
| 06:30.54 | thoreauputic | never run the GUI as root |
| 06:31.02 | Guerout | Knight595: the fact that you can't is a feature, not a bug. |
| 06:31.09 | Knight595 | so i cant? |
| 06:31.28 | fusibou | Knight595 you can but you'd have to change a config file and you shouldn't for security purposes |
| 06:31.33 | Knight595 | so how do i like put files in folders |
| 06:31.38 | thoreauputic | Knight595: *sigh* in a terminal, type su and your pass |
| 06:31.41 | CraigDun | fusibou: what exactly does acpid do that it would restart my laptop? |
| 06:32.07 | thoreauputic | Knight595: then cp your files or mv or whatever |
| 06:32.11 | Guerout | Knight595: do it in terminal, or use your de's privilege escalation mechanisms, like kdesu or gtksu |
| 06:32.11 | fusibou | CraigDun acpid interfaces with the acpi driver which interfaces with your BIOS/power management in your laptop. Sounds like it doesn't interact properly. |
| 06:32.41 | CraigDun | fusibou: how would i find out if my laptop uses acpi or apm. would that be in the bios somewhere? |
| 06:32.54 | Knight595 | kdesu cant connect to X |
| 06:32.57 | thoreauputic | Knight595: gui apps that need root will normally prompt for a password |
| 06:33.05 | Knight595 | i know |
| 06:33.15 | Knight595 | but i want to put .ppd file in the folder |
| 06:33.23 | Knight595 | so i can add my printer |
| 06:33.53 | fusibou | CraigDun usually newer laptops support acpi but acpi still often causes nasty problems. i use apm on a t20 and t23 without problems. maybe there is a bios update for your notebook that addresses this. |
| 06:33.56 | thoreauputic | Knight595: su ; cp <file> /destination/path/required |
| 06:34.08 | nvz | CraigDun: read dmesg |
| 06:34.49 | CraigDun | nvz: dmesg? |
| 06:34.58 | nvz | CraigDun: /var/log/dmesg |
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| 06:35.18 | Guerout | Knight595: /msg dpkg runstuffasroot; /msg dpkg sux; to find out about running individual X apps as root |
| 06:35.31 | nvz | CraigDun: if you see the kernel finding ACPI code in the bios, then you have ACPI |
| 06:35.41 | Knight595 | ok to put the file |
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| 06:35.44 | Knight595 | i type su |
| 06:35.47 | Knight595 | and password |
| 06:35.51 | Knight595 | then cp blah blah |
| 06:36.19 | fusibou | CraigDun: nvz as ACPI loaded automatically (and didn't work) i suspect he does support it technically |
| 06:36.20 | nvz | CraigDun: BIOS-e820: 0000000017ffc000 - 0000000017fff000 (ACPI data) |
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| 06:36.39 | thoreauputic | Knight595: yes. cp file /destination/directory/ |
| 06:36.47 | MikeFair | Sorry I had to step away, what's the best way to get the process iD/binary file name from open TCP ports? neither netstat nor lsof seem to be able to give them to me. netstat sees the open ports, lsof sees nothing |
| 06:37.01 | fusibou | nvz bear in mind the last change we did was to add acpi=off onto his kernel line so it won't show up in dmesg i think |
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| 06:37.13 | fusibou | nvz acpid hung his computer |
| 06:37.16 | MikeFair | I can get the inode of the connections |
| 06:37.24 | nvz | fusibou: this is not an acpi message. |
| 06:37.46 | Knight595 | wherse cups? |
| 06:37.57 | nvz | fusibou: I dont have acpi either thats just my BIOS physical ram map |
| 06:37.58 | Knight595 | the command for restarting |
| 06:38.15 | nevyn | Knight595: /etc/init.d/cupsys restart |
| 06:38.53 | CraigDun | nvz: i dont see any line like that |
| 06:40.08 | Knight595 | argh |
| 06:40.17 | Knight595 | i cant get my lexmark printer to print |
| 06:40.27 | Knight595 | its an old lexmark parallel |
| 06:41.00 | thoreauputic | Knight595: does the database at linuxprinting.org say it's supported? |
| 06:41.07 | Guerout | Knight595: #cups |
| 06:41.07 | Knight595 | yea |
| 06:41.22 | nvz | I think I am about to go to sleep. been on the phone for hours. Those headset ports on modern phones were a good fuckin idea |
| 06:41.42 | nvz | sure isnt anything fun about holding a phone up to your head |
| 06:41.54 | thoreauputic | Knight595: Guerout is right - ask the cups chan |
| 06:42.03 | Eclipser | good headsets just cost money |
| 06:42.06 | jm_ | if your phone has a plug for the speaker/mic part, then you can use a generic headset ;) |
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| 06:43.13 | nvz | I was using an ear bud with a inline mic and clip, to a 1/16" stereo phono plug deal |
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| 06:43.28 | nvz | I got a bunch of em |
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| 06:43.43 | Guerout | i just try to talk on phones as little as possible |
| 06:43.49 | nvz | yeah me to |
| 06:43.52 | nvz | too |
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| 06:44.53 | moodsoft | hi all, I currently have 2 routers between my computer and the internet, and unfortuantly I can't do away with either of them at the moment. is there any options I can configure w/ my computer itself to make it faster in browsing the web? right now name look ups seem to take a very long time |
| 06:45.07 | nvz | I need to make a small control device that plugs into those headsets for half-duplex devices |
| 06:45.08 | morggin | is there a way to gather all the .deb packages i like and create a distribution directory on the filesystem containing the packages i want to install |
| 06:45.25 | calyth | How am I suppose to make sure that a user logging in through gdm will use the /etc/X11/xinit/xinitrc script, and therefore use the xmodmap file that I've specify? I haven't found the spot that I'm suppose to deal with this yet. I need to swap two sets of buttons on my mouse for all users |
| 06:45.26 | nevyn | morggin: install a local dns server? |
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| 06:45.55 | nevyn | morggin: have a look at apt-proxy or apt-cacher |
| 06:45.57 | morggin | i know i can pull all the .deb packages from the /var/cache/apt/ |
| 06:46.15 | nevyn | morggin: have a look at apt-move as well. |
| 06:46.16 | nvz | my frs radios have a headset jack but when the mic circut closes it goes into tx, cause its half-duplex |
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| 06:47.04 | fusibou | <PROTECTED> |
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| 06:48.13 | moodsoft | ne 1? |
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| 06:49.18 | calyth | moodsoft: 2 routers shouldn't be much of a problem unless the routers are under heavy load |
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| 06:50.09 | calyth | moodsoft: oh you mean dns queries? a solution may be to have a DNS cache in the same subnet, and use that as your DNS instead |
| 06:50.29 | drp | ok not sure what I did but now when I log out it takes me to an x-windows login screen whereas before I was getting a debian login screen and also kde doesn't start upon login |
| 06:50.30 | MikeFair | fusibou: same results |
| 06:50.43 | moodsoft | calyth, that would be like a dns server of my own? |
| 06:50.48 | MikeFair | fusibou: I just a "-" where the PID/Name should be |
| 06:51.04 | jm_ | calyth: select Debian session |
| 06:51.09 | MikeFair | fusibou: I'm fairly certain something like the following is going on: http://packetstormsecurity.org/docs/hack/LKM_HACKING.html#II.5.1. |
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| 06:51.37 | calyth | moodsoft: kinda, only you're not actually hosting any dns information on it, but it will cache queries, so the first time will suck, but subsequent queries should be better |
| 06:51.42 | jm_ | mief;run it as root |
| 06:51.44 | drp | i added the line exec startkde inside of my xinitrc but it still doesn't start upon login |
| 06:51.45 | jm_ | MikeFair ^^^^^ |
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| 06:51.57 | MikeFair | fusibou: The processes seem hidden from /proc thereby stopping any /proc enumerating utility from working |
| 06:52.08 | MikeFair | jm_: I have been |
| 06:52.14 | moodsoft | or would telling my machine actual dns servers instead of just telling it to ask router 2, which asks router 1, which asks the internet? |
| 06:52.24 | sinned6915 | lo: i am doing a apg-get dist-upgrade from woody to sarge and want to know if the (?) debconf messages are logged anywhere to review later |
| 06:52.25 | jm_ | drp: use .xsession instead of .xinitrc and make sure your DM uses that instead of some other session script |
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| 06:52.32 | calyth | jm_: selecting Debian session would....? |
| 06:52.53 | jm_ | calyth: yes, it should |
| 06:53.15 | calyth | jm_: i'm going to try that... brb |
| 06:53.32 | jm_ | MikeFair: then you may have a set of tools that are incompatible with kernel's output or somesuch |
| 06:54.18 | fusibou | MikeFair: does local address column not clear up what is using the port for the ones with dashes |
| 06:54.27 | MikeFair | jm_: The tools work fine for everything but these/this process |
| 06:54.32 | sinned6915 | i need hlp with apt-get and-or debconf messages |
| 06:54.36 | moodsoft | calyth: or would telling my machine actual dns servers instead of just telling it to ask router 2, which asks router 1, which asks the internet? |
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| 06:55.05 | MikeFair | fusibou: Here's a line from netstat -avpn |
| 06:55.05 | MikeFair | tcp 0 1 66.220.12.3:59874 4.120.205.97:21 SYN_SENT - |
| 06:55.08 | jm_ | MikeFair: the same happens on my system |
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| 06:55.36 | fusibou | i have to sleep |
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| 06:57.19 | calyth | jm_: that didn't do it. the only thing I could see in gdm resembling what you said was default session, and that didn't quite work. I've modified /etc/X11/xinit/xinitrc and added a line to read the xmodmap file before running /etc/X11/Xsession, but that didn't do a thing... |
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| 06:58.00 | jm_ | calyth: that's because it didn't start Debian session - I don't know about recent versions, but in GDM on Woody, there certainly is Debian session option in the menus |
| 06:58.16 | jm_ | calyth: go into the dir with session scripts and take a look |
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| 06:58.47 | moodsoft | calyth: the dns cache, would that also work if its on the same machine thats doing the asking? the network only has 2 computers, and I can't do anything w/ the second computer |
| 06:58.49 | calyth | hm... |
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| 06:59.04 | MikeFair | jm_: You sure you don't have a PID/NAME in the last column of that output |
| 06:59.26 | calyth | moodsoft: guess so if you set up the cache right, when the cache misses, it should query another DNS for the info |
| 06:59.41 | ledestin | calyth: ~/.gnomerc |
| 06:59.46 | MikeFair | jm_: For instance here's the output for SSHD: |
| 06:59.46 | MikeFair | tcp 0 0 0.0.0.0:22 0.0.0.0:* LISTEN 29628/sshd |
| 07:00.00 | calyth | ledestin: I'm trying to make this permanent across users |
| 07:00.02 | jm_ | MikeFair: yes, trust me, the parsing is fucked up in the tools, it was even core dumping for me and I investigated it and found out the parser is fucked up - I guess it only knows about newer kernels |
| 07:00.03 | valdyn | - |
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| 07:00.17 | ledestin | calyth: using xdm would do that |
| 07:00.33 | moodsoft | calyth: would also just telling my computer what the dns servers are, instead of allowing it to find out using DHCP improve speeds? |
| 07:01.01 | ledestin | calyth: if you want .xsession to be used that is. Having certain processes run for all users, why. |
| 07:01.02 | MikeFair | jm_: I'm running Debian stable for all tools... find it hard to believe it only knows about newer kernels... besides that doesn't help me kill this internet scanner --- what tools _can_ I use... |
| 07:01.19 | MikeFair | jm_: Specifically I'm trying to go from INODE -> PID |
| 07:01.23 | calyth | moodsoft: don't think so. |
| 07:01.40 | jm_ | MikeFair: tcp cutter |
| 07:01.57 | spo0nman | how do u find out what mode is the machine in, 32 bit mode or 64 bit? for a itanium/opetron? |
| 07:02.18 | jm_ | MikeFair: http://www.lowth.com/cutter/ |
| 07:02.19 | directhex | spo0nman, itanium is in 64 bit. |
| 07:02.26 | MikeFair | spo0nman: anything in /proc/cpuinfo? |
| 07:02.26 | directhex | spo0nman, opteron it doesn't matter |
| 07:02.36 | moodsoft | calyth: so would I want to install bind then to do the dns cache? |
| 07:02.46 | MikeFair | jm_: Any debian stable packages floating around? |
| 07:02.51 | calyth | ledestin: well to get this thing working, I know it is as simple as making X run xmodmap /my/xmodmap for all user, and this used to work with other distros.. just wondering why the debian X scripts doesn't do the same |
| 07:03.33 | calyth | moodsoft: yeah, you'd use bind |
| 07:03.33 | spo0nman | directhex: you could make them run on 32 bit mode... they are remote boxes so have to check the mode through s/w. |
| 07:03.33 | jm_ | MikeFair: I had the same problem with Woody and 2.4.17 kernel - I sent a mail with bug report to maintainer, but he ignored it, so I don't care if he doesn't care about problems with his packages |
| 07:03.38 | jm_ | MikeFair: not that I know, but it's very simple tool and you can compile it on your own |
| 07:03.44 | MikeFair | jm_: Well I'm already DROPping the outbound the packets so I'm not scanning anymore, but the process still lives |
| 07:03.57 | directhex | spo0nman, they can emulate 32 bit, not run it natively. and no bugger is gonna even consider trying to run a 32 bit os on an itanium |
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| 07:04.30 | spo0nman | directhex: buggers who have apps that dont do 64 bit do. and there are a lot of em. |
| 07:04.36 | directhex | spo0nman, as for opteron, you could see which sources.list it's using, though it can use 32 or 64 bit code at the same time no worries, so it's hardly important |
| 07:04.45 | directhex | spo0nman, people in tyat situation don't buy itabium |
| 07:04.48 | directhex | *itanium |
| 07:05.03 | jm_ | MikeFair: well I guess you can rule out most of the processes and using strace -s 1024 on the rest should help you identify the process that's doing socket + connect on given port |
| 07:05.09 | spo0nman | directhex: tehy do. and tons of them. anyways... forget it. |
| 07:05.30 | directhex | spo0nman, nons of them? you overestimate how many itaniums have been sold. |
| 07:05.33 | directhex | *tons |
| 07:05.38 | calyth | moodsoft: poke around on the net somewhere and it will tell you how to set up a dns cache |
| 07:05.56 | moodsoft | thanks |
| 07:06.17 | spo0nman | directhex: we've sold around a 5 clusters of 60 nodes each last year. |
| 07:06.41 | moodsoft | I seem to also get a lot of name resolution failures.... that's what I'm mainly wanting to correct |
| 07:06.44 | directhex | spo0nman, and if the users were planning on running i386 binaries they have no business running a cluster |
| 07:07.09 | directhex | spo0nman, performance is utterly abysmal with native 64 bit code half the time, let alone emulating a ppro |
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| 07:07.28 | spo0nman | directhex: yeah! they have money and the want the *best* there is not what is best for them (not my fault) |
| 07:07.32 | MikeFair | jm_: The problem is I don't havea PID... I was about to resort to a for loop and just brute force a scan but I thought I'd check here first |
| 07:07.47 | moodsoft | calyth: I seem to also get a lot of name resolution failures.... that's what I'm mainly wanting to correct |
| 07:08.02 | jm_ | MikeFair: I know, but like I said, you can exclude most of the processes and focus on selected few and look at what they're doing |
| 07:08.16 | spo0nman | directhex: marketing goes and sells , you support. :( |
| 07:08.21 | calyth | moodsoft: is the DNS you're using not used by a lot of people? |
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| 07:08.52 | moodsoft | calyth: I'm not sure which one I am using. everything is configured via dhcp |
| 07:08.55 | calyth | moodsoft: resolution failure simply happens if the DNS doesn't have the answer, and it will go all the way to find the authorative answer |
| 07:09.16 | Guerout | sometimes it still fails though |
| 07:09.28 | Guerout | add a few more to your list |
| 07:09.32 | calyth | setting your own DNS cache will speed up your normal browsing, but it seems a bit too much work unless you enjoy setting up stuff like that ;) |
| 07:11.02 | directhex | spo0nman, where do you work that's throwing itanic about to customers? |
| 07:11.45 | calyth | moodsoft: I hope you do lot of browsing to make up for it. |
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| 07:13.08 | Guerout | idnar: reading the flamewar on -user about dosage |
| 07:13.25 | Guerout | though this one is milder than the hot-babe saga |
| 07:13.54 | MikeFair | BINGO!!!! Found them! |
| 07:14.20 | idnar | Guerout: -user or -devel? |
| 07:14.24 | moodsoft | calyth: ok, how about this my resolv.conf file contains 2 lines: search vnnyca.adelphia.net and nameserver 192.168.0.1. That ip address is now the 2nd router, the 1st router (direct to the net) is 192.168.1.15 should I change the second line to that ip? |
| 07:14.30 | MikeFair | jm_: The problem with your approach is that you assume you have PIDs to inspect |
| 07:14.37 | MikeFair | jm_: Check out: http://www.derkeiler.com/Mailing-Lists/Securiteam/2002-06/0133.html |
| 07:14.46 | Guerout | idnar: -devel. reading -user makes me turn into an axe-mudering maniac |
| 07:14.49 | MikeFair | It's a Process revealer |
| 07:15.01 | idnar | Guerout: *chuckle* |
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| 07:15.27 | calyth | moodsoft: you are trying to setup a DNS cache, right? so whichever machine that has the DNS cache is the DNS that you'd want to use |
| 07:16.27 | jm_ | MikeFair: yes, it's different story if you have been h4x0red obviously |
| 07:17.09 | moodsoft | calyth: well that is one idea, but I was thinking that my dns searching slowed down when I added the router, so I'm wondering if the resolv.conf file is the reason because its still pointing to the same ip, even though its now the internal router |
| 07:17.13 | jm_ | MikeFair: this tool is dumb, it runs ps |
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| 07:17.39 | MikeFair | jm_: Probably just to figure out what to exclude |
| 07:17.47 | calyth | moodsoft: you could try that |
| 07:17.51 | MikeFair | jm_: It found the processes |
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| 07:18.06 | ardy | does anyone know the gcc macro to tell if you compiled for debug or not (aka. is it DEBUG or __DEBUG)? |
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| 07:18.34 | MikeFair | jm_: hehe - but when I try and kill them I get "No such process" |
| 07:18.48 | moodsoft | calyth: or would setting the ip address to a real dns server be better? |
| 07:18.49 | jm_ | MikeFair: so you know your machine has been compromised? |
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| 07:19.14 | calyth | moodsoft: well actually, try setting the IP to a known DNS server. see whether that solves anything |
| 07:19.51 | calyth | anyone notice that a LCD monitor using DVI looks as if it's flickering, while using the normal vga plug doesn't in Sarge X4.3.0? |
| 07:19.56 | MikeFair | jm_: I knew that at the start |
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| 07:21.14 | amahbod | hello. |
| 07:21.30 | jm_ | MikeFair: but if this tool found the processes, then try to strace them |
| 07:21.45 | amahbod | i have a question about the mplayer config file |
| 07:22.02 | idnar | Guerout: well, it'll still be 234234 years before the package gets out of NEW, I imagine ;) |
| 07:22.17 | streuner__ | amahbod: mplayer isn't in debian |
| 07:22.18 | amahbod | how do i enable 3DNow and 3DNowExt in my config file? |
| 07:22.30 | amahbod | streuner__: ? |
| 07:22.49 | amahbod | streuner__: what do you use to play video files then? |
| 07:23.01 | streuner__ | amahbod: what's so hard to unterstand on that statement? |
| 07:23.12 | streuner__ | amahbod: xine |
| 07:23.26 | Guerout | idnar: heh |
| 07:24.01 | jm_ | calyth: no, as I don't have a LCD monitor ;) |
| 07:24.06 | amahbod | streuner__: how is it compared to other media players? |
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| 07:24.42 | streuner__ | amahbod: there are a few, xine - vlc - mplayer - they all work very well. |
| 07:25.00 | directhex | calyth, sounds like your hardware is buggered |
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| 07:25.32 | amahbod | streuner__: so vlc and xine both are supported on debian |
| 07:25.39 | streuner__ | amahbod: yes |
| 07:25.40 | amahbod | streuner__: thanks for the help. |
| 07:25.44 | streuner__ | np |
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| 07:26.01 | calyth | directhex: funny in m$ windows, it didn't look the same |
| 07:26.17 | calyth | directhex: you know where the default debian background in GNOME is stored? |
| 07:26.27 | calyth | I might double check this |
| 07:26.31 | amahbod | streuner__: oh one thing about xine, how do i add a whole directory to the playlist at once |
| 07:26.45 | amahbod | streuner__: or do i have to click "add" for each file individually |
| 07:27.03 | moodsoft | the system automatically re-reads resolv.conf right? |
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| 07:27.56 | Guerout | moodsoft: yeah, each program which needs it reads the file again |
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| 07:28.07 | Guerout | an already-running program may not, though |
| 07:28.11 | streuner__ | amahbod: why not make a PlayList? |
| 07:28.17 | calyth | moodsoft: it should |
| 07:29.11 | amahbod | streuner__: how? |
| 07:29.16 | MikeFair | jm_: OK strace confirmed they were very busy bees indeed |
| 07:29.41 | moodsoft | ok, I did a whois adelphia.net and used the 3 name servers that it listed, as soon as I loaded firefox, it said it couldn't find google.com, does this mean something is wrong? |
| 07:29.51 | jm_ | MikeFair: did you also see them connecting to that IP? strace will print the system call parameters, which means you get to see the IP and port |
| 07:29.53 | MikeFair | jm_: kill wouldn't do the deed, "no process found" but gdb -p "stop; kill" did :) |
| 07:30.41 | moodsoft | hmmm, it can't find anything now |
| 07:31.01 | MikeFair | jm_: There's about 6 hidden processes, the strace is WAY too fast for me to really inspect them, but gdb gives me the binary file name and the names are very obviously don't belong |
| 07:31.08 | Guerout | moodsoft: try |
| 07:31.12 | streuner__ | amahbod: Alt-p |
| 07:31.15 | amahbod | streuner__: which video driver do you use? |
| 07:31.16 | moodsoft | except adelphia's page |
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| 07:31.24 | jm_ | MikeFair: strace -o ! |
| 07:31.28 | Guerout | 168.126.63.1 and 2 |
| 07:31.46 | streuner__ | amahbod: sis, why? |
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| 07:32.41 | streuner__ | amahbod: push 'Alt-p' and edit an playlist file to your needs |
| 07:32.56 | amahbod | streuner__: if you move around another window while the the video is playing, does the video stop playing? |
| 07:33.21 | amahbod | streuner__: also, in alt-p, i could not figure out how to add multiple files at once |
| 07:33.30 | amahbod | i have to click each file which is annoying |
| 07:33.31 | streuner__ | amahbod: of course not |
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| 07:33.38 | moodsoft | Guerout, wow, that is fast :-) |
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| 07:34.58 | Guerout | moodsoft: interesting, since they're in korea |
| 07:34.58 | calyth | moodsoft: sounds like the DNS you were using were quite funky |
| 07:35.30 | amahbod | streuner__: why do you think i would be getting that problem? |
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| 07:35.49 | moodsoft | calyth: I had been using one of my routers as a dns server lol |
| 07:36.31 | streuner__ | amahbod: moving another window while the video is playing? |
| 07:37.27 | amahbod | streuner__: yes. i move another window, like xchat, while a video is playing in xine or mplayer or vlc. the video stops playing but the audio continues until i stop dragging the window |
| 07:37.41 | moodsoft | I guess dns configuration has little affect on speed tests? |
| 07:38.40 | streuner__ | amahbod: What CPU do you have, RAM? |
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| 07:40.20 | moodsoft | whoose speed tests are better? Toast.net or dslreports? |
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| 07:40.45 | nevyn | moodsoft: your isp? |
| 07:41.20 | moodsoft | nevyn, adelphia |
| 07:41.52 | nevyn | moodsoft: if you want to test your connection speed the best thing to do is download a large file from your isp. |
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| 07:45.26 | amahbod | streuner__: athlon xp 1800+ with 512MB pc2700 ddr ram |
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| 07:48.04 | moodsoft | ok, well my browsing speed is where it should be. now I just need to get my sound working again. |
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| 07:51.54 | amahbod | streuner__: athlon xp 1800+ with 512MB pc2700 ddr ram |
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| 07:53.04 | moodsoft | Guerout, are the dns servers listed at: http://www.opennic.unrated.net/public_servers.html just normal dns servers? |
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| 07:56.44 | brynjarh | Isn't there a better way to unmount stuff that is being read by an "unknown" program then to go through the whole mounted space with the fuser -k command? For example I have a hard drive mounted now and I am going to unmount it, not when I do that I just get "umount: /media/hdb1: device is busy", so now I'm trying to figure out what is being read on the drive so I can kill the program that is reading the drive, not user friendly at all. |
| 07:57.01 | brynjarh | now when* |
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| 07:57.18 | vulture | brynjarh: lsof? |
| 07:57.34 | brynjarh | lsof?? |
| 07:57.35 | dondelelcaro | brynjarh: there is a lazy umount option, which will umount the disk, then wait for whatever is using the disk to stop |
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| 08:01.12 | brynjarh | dondelelcaro: Okay I got it unmounted with "umount -l /dev/hdb1". But what about novice users.. not very convenient for them if they want to unmount something using nautilus or whatever. |
| 08:01.36 | dondelelcaro | brynjarh: *shrug* It's not safe to umount something that is actually being used. |
| 08:01.49 | edward_ | who uses iptables 1.3.0 rc1 |
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| 08:01.54 | amahbod | does anyone here use XINE |
| 08:02.02 | dondelelcaro | brynjarh: there's really no way around that, unfortunatly. lsof /cdrom; or similar will let you know what is using the process, but that's pretty much all you can do |
| 08:02.55 | brynjarh | dondelelcaro: I see, well okay, at least I know how to use lazy umount now.. |
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| 08:04.43 | maynanian | hello, i have a question..... i've got an adsl rotal ale-130 usb modem, and i want to know if it can work with debian, and if the net cd will recognize him ..... someone ? thanks.. |
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| 08:05.03 | cat | maynanian: yeah it can reconized it, |
| 08:05.14 | cat | big time |
| 08:05.14 | maynanian | cat: u\sb modem ? |
| 08:05.28 | cat | yes, |
| 08:05.30 | maynanian | cat: thanks man... i will try it out, god bless you in the name of the son.. :) |
| 08:05.38 | cat | thnx |
| 08:05.42 | maynanian | cya |
| 08:05.44 | maynanian | :) |
| 08:05.57 | cat | cya |
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| 08:06.37 | brynjarh | usb modem? are there actually modems out there that have only usb?? Any advantages to using usb rather then ethernet? |
| 08:06.57 | Guerout | no |
| 08:07.02 | dondelelcaro | brynjarh: no. |
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| 08:07.06 | peterS | brynjarh: no advantages that I can think of, unless the per-unit cost is lower. it *can* be autodetected by the OS just a bit more easily |
| 08:07.10 | dondelelcaro | brynjarh: much better to have a ethernet modem |
| 08:07.30 | peterS | brynjarh: but that's hardly an issue - a PPPoE modem can be detected pretty easily too |
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| 08:07.46 | peterS | brynjarh: the one other advantage of a USB-connected DSL modem is that you don't need a separate NIC for it |
| 08:07.58 | brynjarh | I see |
| 08:08.12 | peterS | that must be why people bother to make them |
| 08:08.23 | peterS | everyone's got an extra USB port, not everyone has got an extra Ethernet port |
| 08:08.47 | Guerout | heh, some of caci's /quit came up as korean characters |
| 08:09.11 | brynjarh | ehh, stupit cisco course material, it's in swf format! |
| 08:09.11 | Guerout | bah |
| 08:09.16 | dondelelcaro | brynjarh: hahaha |
| 08:09.17 | Guerout | peterS: lies |
| 08:09.22 | jm_ | Guerout: they're umlauts |
| 08:09.34 | peterS | Guerout: the only non-ascii character in there is in the word "Umständen" |
| 08:09.47 | Guerout | hrm, not utf-8? |
| 08:09.59 | Guerout | but it came up as Umst�nden for me |
| 08:10.08 | jm_ | it's 8859-1 |
| 08:10.14 | peterS | yeah |
| 08:10.24 | jm_ | yeah it fucks up the utf8 sequence I guess |
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| 08:10.32 | Guerout | curious. |
| 08:10.49 | peterS | jm_: it shouldn't, it's not valid utf8. the utf8 parser should have just said 'oh well, non-utf8-char, ignore it' or similar |
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| 08:11.42 | AldeBaran_ | hi |
| 08:11.58 | jm_ | peterS: well maybe his IRC client doesn't care and just displays the character and then who knows what underlying layer does (ncurses probably) |
| 08:12.16 | peterS | perhaps |
| 08:12.48 | jm_ | damn, I shall really reboot one of these days, now even MGT is misbehaving |
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| 08:16.20 | Hiryu | is it possible to get the binaries for old loki games? So I can play alpha centauri under linux? |
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| 08:16.40 | spiekey | hello! |
| 08:17.26 | spiekey | i am running stable and i am getting the file size limit error when i make a file bigger than 2GB. |
| 08:17.38 | spiekey | do i have to upgrade to unstable to fix this!? |
| 08:18.02 | Hiryu | does anyone even remember loki? |
| 08:18.35 | bob2 | Hiryu: find a second hand copy on ebay or something |
| 08:18.37 | bob2 | then tell me |
| 08:18.42 | bob2 | since my SMAC linux cd is scratched |
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| 08:19.15 | Hiryu | bob2: that's a good idea... it sucks I already have it for windows though |
| 08:19.23 | bob2 | Hiryu: hah, I bought both, yeah |
| 08:19.23 | GrayThunder | can any one help with samba 3.0 and printing? |
| 08:19.24 | troll_god | Does anyone know how to change the default sound device WITHOUT using alsaconf or a gui? |
| 08:19.28 | peterS | spiekey: that'll be app-specific, I think. most apps in stable know about large files |
| 08:19.57 | troll_god | for instance, my sound default device is card [0] a dummy device i would like to change that to card 1 |
| 08:19.59 | GrayThunder | i just "upgraded" to 3.0 and now printing has quit completely |
| 08:20.02 | jrl | Hiryu: Laugh hard, it's a long way to remember your wife's birthday is to remember your wife's birthday is to remember that microsoft bought the movie rights to roots? They're going to benefit all of space and its environment. |
| 08:20.13 | mort_ | spiekey: what filesystem are you running? |
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| 08:20.26 | spiekey | ext3 |
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| 08:20.44 | mort_ | spiekey: hmm, that should be ok |
| 08:20.53 | Hiryu | jrl: ok, but what does that have to do with me? |
| 08:20.56 | spiekey | i am trying to write a dd file from knoppix into a debian testing samba server. |
| 08:21.21 | United | Question, I think my box either has a virus or has been hacked, more likley hacked. Is there any way to fix this through ssh? Install a image off the hd or something? |
| 08:21.22 | jrl | Hiryu: You stated that you want to cut, leaving the hole itself barren, then submerging it in saltwater and electrifying it, causing the exposed metal to oxidize and be communist, because all open source community: (shrugs) "they're ok i guess. |
| 08:21.29 | peterS | spiekey: then you've most likely got a samba issue. I don't remember samba from woody (2.2.3a or so) having problems with large files, but it's possible |
| 08:21.41 | Hiryu | so is jrl a troll or what? |
| 08:21.47 | mort_ | United: did you chkrootkit? |
| 08:21.59 | United | mort_ chkrootkit dont even work anymore either. |
| 08:22.00 | bob2 | more likely just an idiot |
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| 08:22.17 | jrl | or bored |
| 08:22.21 | jrl | can't ever rule that one out |
| 08:22.25 | Hiryu | bob2: Is it illegal to copy the linux version of a game when you own the windows version? |
| 08:22.27 | mooded | troll_god, it depends on whats recognized first.. p.ex, my headset becomes card1 if its plugged in later... if its already plugged in at boot-time it sometimes becomes card0.... i believe theres a .asoundrc for setting this to fix values... but sadly i also dunno what u have to write inside.. alsa-project.org should give more hints.. |
| 08:22.30 | mdh | idiot, troll, whatever |
| 08:22.40 | United | /usr/sbin/chkrootkit: line 2482: 1061 Done echo "${TROJAN}" |
| 08:22.40 | United | <PROTECTED> |
| 08:22.45 | bob2 | Hiryu: well, you don't have a license for it |
| 08:22.46 | Hiryu | bob2: nothing on ebay :( |
| 08:22.51 | United | thats what i get with chkrootkit but it spamms like 40 more lines :\ |
| 08:22.55 | bob2 | Hiryu: but then again, who's left to prosecute? |
| 08:22.55 | Hiryu | brb |
| 08:22.58 | United | then it asks me to adduser |
| 08:23.07 | bob2 | might as well download it if you can find it |
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| 08:23.18 | United | when i do like ps aux or df -h it says Killed |
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| 08:23.38 | bob2 | that machine sounds pretty fucked up |
| 08:23.44 | GrayThunder | can any one help with samba 3.0 and printing? |
| 08:23.45 | jrl | Hiryu: depends on the game |
| 08:23.56 | troll_god | mooded: Well its like my programs are default to the dummy device, ie if i run alsamixer, ill get the the mixer on the dummy device, sure i can type -c1 and use the mixer for my real card, but some programs are too dumb to relise that and there seems to be a 'default' some where, if that isn't just the device0 i need to know where it is and how to change it |
| 08:24.03 | bob2 | GrayThunder: try #samba |
| 08:24.16 | United | yea it is fucked up no doubt, its been hacked also becuase bash_history goes to /dev/null |
| 08:24.18 | spiekey | whats the syntax of split again? "split --bytes=1024 infile prefix" ? |
| 08:24.22 | mort_ | United: maybe this is hardware related, like a too hot CPU or something. backup is going to be hard if you don't have physical access to the machine |
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| 08:24.28 | jrl | Hiryu: iirc with quake you had the main game files on the windows cd, downloaded the linux specific game binaries from ID, and used your windows code to unlock it |
| 08:24.39 | Guerout | United: have fun reinstalling |
| 08:24.40 | United | My question is this, if there anyway to re-install base system without a cd? |
| 08:24.41 | jrl | Hiryu: in that case, it should be fine to use it on linux |
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| 08:24.49 | jrl | Hiryu: in other cases that's not intended |
| 08:24.55 | bob2 | United: you need to boot something |
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| 08:25.05 | bob2 | United: if it's modern or non-intel, you can probably netboot |
| 08:25.12 | bob2 | but you need physical or serial access to it for that |
| 08:25.19 | Guerout | United: debootstrap - but from a hacked-up system, the only safe way is to nuke the whole shop and reinstall from bare metal |
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| 08:25.39 | mooded | troll_god, i wouldnt know of any alsa-side default, and only know programs defaulting to first-card if they have no special alsa-management (like xmms, where u can choose / override any default card settings) |
| 08:25.51 | Hiryu | jrl: doesn't look good on alpha centauri :( |
| 08:26.06 | United | bob2 ? i can get physical access to the box, but the lady is not very computer smart |
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| 08:26.15 | Hiryu | bob2: the worst part is that I didn't find out that lokigames exist till well after I had lost my job, otherwise I'm sure I would have bought at least a few games from them |
| 08:26.32 | jrl | are they still in businesS? |
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| 08:26.43 | peterS | no |
| 08:26.49 | bob2 | Hiryu: hah, right |
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| 08:27.04 | jrl | I wish I had more time for that |
| 08:27.19 | Hiryu | bob2: no, really, I was a bigger game then than I am now, and I actually had some decent cash to spend on that stuff |
| 08:27.38 | Hiryu | bob2: I just had no idea that I could get native linux versions for anything other than quake :( |
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| 08:28.34 | troll_god | ... the market for linux games is very small =/ |
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| 08:28.58 | Hiryu | troll_god: and was a lot smaller back then too |
| 08:29.04 | Hiryu | but I enjoy playing ut2004 in linux |
| 08:29.11 | troll_god | i was told that CoD only used directX for keyboard inputs -- quake engine, and they never bothered porting it to linux |
| 08:29.18 | cyberyo | io |
| 08:29.27 | Hiryu | between ut2004 and ati's linux drivers, I even bought a geforce 6800GT 256 |
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| 08:29.54 | Hiryu | jrl: no, they're not still in business, if they were, I wouldn't be whining on IRC :) |
| 08:30.12 | troll_god | lets not get me on the subject of ati |
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| 08:30.57 | United | is bitchx really vulnerable? not as root but a local user? |
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| 08:31.24 | Hiryu | I wonder if I can find torrents.. |
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| 08:31.37 | Hiryu | troll_god: hahaha, yes, I could rant all week on that too |
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| 08:31.56 | troll_god | Hiryu: atleast yo uhav the money for a 6800gt |
| 08:31.58 | brynjarh | I'm not very experienced with permissions but I wanted recently to be able to have read, write and execute access in the folder /var/www/ which was owned by root and in the www-data group. So I set the folder access to 774 and added my user account to the www-data group using the GNOME "Users and group settings" and hit OK. To my surprise I did I could not create a file in the folder. Am I misunderstanding how the permission system in *nix works or |
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| 08:32.11 | troll_god | Hiryu: im still stuck with my 9600 wo fucking opengl |
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| 08:32.45 | MobyTurbo | what about ATI? I've been considering getting an ATI card because my nvidia TNT2 M64 is no longer supported by the "nvidia" driver. |
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| 08:32.59 | trogger | has anybody else had trouble with thunderbird forgetting most email account passwords (but occasionally remembering them) ? |
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| 08:33.10 | Guerout | wtf, it isn't? |
| 08:33.16 | troll_god | brynjarh: did you set the permissions on the folder itself or just the contents? |
| 08:33.17 | Guerout | tnt2 owns |
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| 08:33.29 | Hiryu | troll_god: when I had my 9800... I couldn't get graphics in linux unless I boot into windows first and then soft rebooted into linux |
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| 08:33.45 | brynjarh | troll_god: I'm pretty sure I set it on the folder it self. |
| 08:33.58 | trogger | brynjarh: check with ls -l in the parent folder (/var) |
| 08:34.02 | Hiryu | troll_god: I could x4 agp in linux, but if I used x4 agp in windows, games would either crash or I couldn't see my desktop (and had to remove drivers in safe mode), which happened depended on the version of the drivers |
| 08:34.09 | troll_god | brynjarh: try ls -l and look at the folder prefixed with d it should read drwxrwxx-- if you did it right |
| 08:34.22 | MobyTurbo | Guerout: that's right, TNT2 and even some older Geforce cards are no longer supported by nividia's binary drivers. So I have a choice between running an old vulnerable kernel with an old driver or a safe new kernel with the "nv" no-3D X driver. |
| 08:34.35 | Hiryu | troll_god: make your next card nvidia, believe me, it's so worth it, I'm shocked at how great these drivers are |
| 08:34.39 | brynjarh | troll_god: okay, I'll check that next time I'm doing something like this. :) |
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| 08:34.49 | troll_god | brynjarh: =D |
| 08:34.50 | Guerout | MobyTurbo: ... because the old drivers don't work with new kernels either. |
| 08:34.51 | Guerout | great |
| 08:35.06 | troll_god | Hiryu: i have to, even though i hate nvidia as well |
| 08:35.06 | Guerout | !mhallsmite nvidia |
| 08:35.07 | dpkg | Fuck nvidia. Fuck it in the asshole with a big rubber dick. |
| 08:35.09 | Hiryu | I just found soldier of fortune for linux |
| 08:35.10 | Hiryu | that's promising |
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| 08:35.21 | troll_god | trogger: but its like compairing a punch in the chest with a shotgun wound |
| 08:35.29 | Hiryu | troll_god: I'm not a nvidia fanboy, but what's wrong with them? |
| 08:35.32 | troll_god | Hiryu: but its like compairing a punch in the chest with a shotgun wound |
| 08:35.47 | troll_god | Hiryu: How about their stupid monkey shit naming scheme? |
| 08:36.07 | troll_god | Hiryu: they make 3 modules of a GF4 that bechmarks in every catagory less than their GF2 |
| 08:36.35 | trogger | I'm finding the latest ati drivers (fglrx) good |
| 08:37.13 | MobyTurbo | have any of you guys had bad experiences with an ATI 9200? That's the card I'm looking at. |
| 08:37.19 | brynjarh | http://kerneltrap.org/node/4622 - anyone planing on buying the card when it comes out? |
| 08:37.27 | Hiryu | troll_god: yeh, it's confusing to figure out which is their best card sometimes.. |
| 08:37.29 | Hiryu | heh |
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| 08:37.42 | troll_god | trogger: get them working with 2.6.11-rc2, or for that matter 2.6.10 w/ AGPGART or for that matter 2.6.10 without seeking out a 3rd party kernel patch |
| 08:37.47 | troll_god | trogger: oh wait, you can't |
| 08:38.05 | Hiryu | troll_god: I agree with 11-rc2... |
| 08:38.15 | Hiryu | troll_god: which sucks because of the uselib() vuln |
| 08:38.20 | troll_god | im using 11-rc2-mm2 doesn't work =/ |
| 08:38.25 | troll_god | uselib() vuln? |
| 08:38.36 | trogger | troll_god: looks like I won't be upgrading from 2.6.9 for a bit :) |
| 08:38.44 | drac | troll_god: /join #ati and check topic for 2.6.10 patch. /msg dpkg ati |
| 08:38.48 | drac | umm trogger. |
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| 08:39.04 | trogger | drac: umm yes? |
| 08:39.17 | United | /dns Jan 8 16:58:20 hannon sshd[7187]: Accepted keyboard-interactive/pam for root from ::ffff:161.53.202.3 port 55405 ssh2 |
| 08:39.17 | United | Jan 8 16:58:20 hannon sshd[7187]: lastlog_perform_login: Couldn't stat /var/log/lastlog: No such file or directory |
| 08:39.17 | United | Jan 8 16:58:20 hannon sshd[7187]: lastlog_openseek: /var/log/lastlog is not a file or directory! |
| 08:39.17 | United | Jan 8 16:58:20 hannon sshd[7191]: lastlog_perform_login: Couldn't stat /var/log/lastlog: No such file or directory |
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| 08:39.26 | drac | trogger: /join #ati and check topic for 2.6.10 patch. /msg dpkg ati |
| 08:39.28 | United | crap, sorry |
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| 08:39.43 | troll_god | drac: I relise they have a patch, but it didn't come from ati. and in the ATI readme for their newest driver 1/17/05 they state it works with 2.6.10 out of the box |
| 08:40.01 | trogger | drac: are you trying to talk to troll_god ? |
| 08:40.05 | troll_god | drac: there is a folder 2.6.10 - wtf would you put a 2.6.10 folder if your damn drivers didn't work for it |
| 08:40.29 | drac | dunno, i needed the patch anyway. |
| 08:40.38 | drac | for new drivers .. |
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| 08:41.01 | troll_god | drac: remember that the 2.6.10 patch works with only 2.6.10 not 2.6.10-mm2, or -bk or -bk2 or -ac etc etc etc |
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| 08:41.21 | drac | i'm using them at the moment with -ac11 .. |
| 08:41.30 | drac | with the goddamn patch |
| 08:41.38 | troll_god | drac: what patch did you use? |
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| 08:41.47 | drac | the patch mentioned on #ati topic. |
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| 08:41.59 | troll_god | drac: i tried appling the 2.6.10patch on rage3d and no joy |
| 08:42.24 | drac | something called. 8.08-kernel-2.6.10.patch |
| 08:42.39 | drac | and I believe it is the official patch. |
| 08:43.27 | troll_god | ... anyway |
| 08:43.43 | troll_god | back to my problem, i don't care any more ill just ebay an nvidia card some day |
| 08:43.48 | troll_god | how do i get sound working =/// |
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| 08:43.52 | troll_god | need to change default device |
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| 08:44.03 | MobyTurbo | if all you need is xv for movies and GL for screensavers, how good are the open-source ATI 9200 drivers for that? |
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| 08:44.42 | Hiryu | wtf, there's homeworld for linux? |
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| 08:52.22 | zapalotta | hello |
| 08:52.37 | WorkerII | hello |
| 08:53.12 | zapalotta | any speciall issues to net-snmp known in sarge? I configured snmpd just as I did on other (FreeBSD though) hosts and installed mrtg. But cfgmaker seems not to find the right stuff |
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| 08:53.41 | WorkerII | I have a simple question. How do I find documentation to read about how to make my Debian Sarge machine turn off the monitor after 15 min. and turn the HD off after an hour. Of course, just helping me to do this will do, since its now company policy to save energy this way. |
| 08:53.52 | zapalotta | it's alwais "noSuchName |
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| 08:54.10 | WorkerII | Hej Jussi. |
| 08:54.12 | zapalotta | seems like it searches the wrong OIDs |
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| 08:55.40 | WorkerII | zapalotta : I really don't think this is the right channel to talk about SNMP .. I might be wrong though. |
| 08:57.30 | zapalotta | WorkerII, yes, kinda, but I have the same config on a SuSE and a more than one FreeBSD boxen working and not working on Debian, therefore I fear it's some compile option in debian's packages or something |
| 08:57.41 | zapalotta | But I think google helped me in the end, just chekcing |
| 08:57.42 | MobyTurbo | Wanderer: the monitor, in X, can be done with the DPMI setting. |
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| 08:58.22 | Guerout | WorkerII: google for dms and acpi and hdparm howtos |
| 08:58.28 | Guerout | dpms |
| 08:58.30 | Guerout | not dms |
| 08:58.37 | WorkerII | Guerout : Cool, thanks :) |
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| 08:59.16 | CleeK | lo |
| 08:59.38 | Hiryu | bob2: so I found some loki games in their entirety... so sad... they're even some games I bought for windows, and I didn't know there linux versions until just now! |
| 09:00.27 | troll_god | god fucking damit |
| 09:00.29 | troll_god | i hate this shit |
| 09:01.12 | CleeK | I did a dpkg --get-selections > list.machine.A on a machine, a dpkg --set-selections < list.machine.B on another, and the apt-get dselect-upgrade. It works but this only adds new packages. (It does not remove on B packages I removed on A). Is it normal ? |
| 09:01.33 | CleeK | s/dpkg --set-selections < list.machine.B/dpkg --set-selections < list.machine.A/ |
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| 09:03.03 | cat | how can u open .o files |
| 09:03.11 | CleeK | o_O |
| 09:03.35 | Hiryu | cat: you're not supposed to.. |
| 09:03.39 | spiekey | cat: cat |
| 09:03.41 | spiekey | ;) |
| 09:03.58 | Hiryu | hahaha |
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| 09:08.23 | Zuni | Hi Iris, hier Ralf und Micha, wir waren hier |
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| 09:14.27 | Gandalfar | After upgrading kernel from 2.6.8.1 to 2.6.10 I lost one NIC. I got two e1000 and before I had eth0 and eth1 but now I only have eth0. How can I bring back eth1? I have e1000 compiled into kernel |
| 09:14.54 | Borgon | pray hard |
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| 09:15.01 | WorkerII | cat: What on earth do you mean by "open .o files" .. are you a former windows-user or something? |
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| 09:19.19 | isam | is there a way to have Debain display init script startup and shutdown as other distros do ? to have the script name with [OK] or [FAILED] beside it.. it will be a cleaner startup and shutdown |
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| 09:21.38 | yxa | how can i cat all the text files in one directory, grep a string and return the filename ? |
| 09:23.25 | jm_ | yxa: man grep |
| 09:23.31 | Agrajag- | yxa: why not just grep all the files |
| 09:23.32 | Guerout | isam: just turn off your monitor while booting |
| 09:24.19 | isam | Guerout, Thanks for the suggestion :) but isn't there a way to make a cleaner boot and shutdown in terms of the amount of text displayed in the monitor ? |
| 09:24.28 | isam | using the bootsplash is an option |
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| 09:24.51 | isam | but I was thinking of having initscripts with cleaner output .. that's all |
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| 09:26.39 | WorkerII | Turning on apm with append="devfs=nomount apm=on" |
| 09:26.43 | WorkerII | in lilo.conf? |
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| 09:30.29 | K9 | hello |
| 09:30.55 | K9 | can anybody help me with E [02/Feb/2005:11:28:16 +0200] Unable to convert file 0 to printable format for job 13!I [02/Feb/2005:11:28:16 +0200] Hint: Do you have ESP Ghostscript installed? |
| 09:30.58 | K9 | i have gs-esp installed |
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| 09:42.17 | streuner | http://tinyurl.com/6srvp ;-) |
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| 09:43.00 | tpark | i know its the wrong channel to be asking my question.. but who here knows how to do pressure equilibrium chemistry? |
| 09:43.18 | thefly | ahahahahahahah |
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| 09:43.23 | thefly | this is beautiful |
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| 09:44.36 | Noidster_ | I have the module usbkbd in the hotplug blacklist. However, it gets loaded on startup, so my guess is that something else is loading it. What must I look for? |
| 09:45.23 | fatal_ | I'm just guessing here but these might be two alternatives: discover? /etc/modules? |
| 09:45.53 | directhex|work | !blacklist |
| 09:45.53 | dpkg | well, blacklist is <directhex> to stop modules from being loaded at booot time, add 'skip foo' to /etc/discover.conf and 'foo' to /etc/hotplug/blacklist, or <greycat> and don't forget to remove it from /etc/modules |
| 09:46.05 | Noidster_ | ok, thanks |
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| 09:50.00 | directhex|work | hmm, is dpkg asleep? |
| 09:50.09 | jm_ | no |
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| 09:51.21 | idnar | !wake up |
| 09:51.22 | dpkg | idnar: I'm already awake! :) |
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| 09:52.21 | WorkerII | No APM support in kernel |
| 09:52.21 | WorkerII | /bin/sh: OK .. I wonder if this is a bug, and how to check if it is. When I type "apm", I get ": command not found |
| 09:52.34 | bob2 | it seems pretty clear |
| 09:52.34 | WorkerII | No APM support in kernel |
| 09:52.34 | WorkerII | OK .. I wonder if this is a bug, and how to check if it is. When I type "apm", I get " "and when I type "cat /proc/cmdline" I get auto BOOT_IMAGE=GNU/Linux ro root=302 devfs=nomount apm=on .. I read that the Debian kernel is supposed to support apm, though turned off default. I use this kernelimage: Linux morten 2.6.8-2-686-smp #1 SMP Sat Jan 8 13:48:50 EST 2005 i686 GNU/Linux |
| 09:52.39 | bob2 | your kernel is lacking apm support |
| 09:52.56 | bob2 | /lib/modules/2.6.10-2-686/kernel/arch/i386/kernel/apm.ko |
| 09:52.59 | bob2 | load the module |
| 09:53.20 | WorkerII | # modprobe apm |
| 09:53.20 | WorkerII | fatal_: Error inserting apm (/lib/modules/2.6.8-2-686-smp/kernel/arch/i386/kernel/apm.ko): No such device |
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| 09:53.44 | bob2 | then you don't have hardware which supports apm |
| 09:53.52 | fatal_ | WorkerII: you can't have acpi and apm loaded at the same time. |
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| 09:54.07 | bob2 | that too |
| 09:54.08 | WorkerII | fatal_ : So I need to unload acpi? rmmod acpi ? |
| 09:54.19 | bob2 | why do you want to use apm? |
| 09:54.38 | WorkerII | bob2 : Company policy is to reduce power consumption. |
| 09:54.46 | zzyber | i cant print from mozilla? All the other programs works great but mozilla wont print altought i can se my printer in the list? |
| 09:54.50 | fatal_ | WorkerII: acpi can do that too.... acpi is the successor of apm. |
| 09:55.12 | fatal_ | WorkerII: acpi can do alot more then apm. |
| 09:55.29 | WorkerII | fatal_ : Ok .. I found a webpage about power consumption and gnu/linux .. but I didn't notice it talk about acpi .. I guess maybe the page was old.. |
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| 09:56.03 | fatal_ | WorkerII: probably because acpi is new and fancy stuff... (you need a computer from 2000 or later).. ;] |
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| 09:56.28 | WorkerII | I have a Pentium IV, 3.2 GHz .. I dunno how old it is though. |
| 09:56.48 | WorkerII | It does have hyperthreading. |
| 09:56.51 | fatal_ | WorkerII: you can be quite sure it's not five years old. |
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| 09:57.05 | WorkerII | fatal_ : that was my guess. :) |
| 09:57.33 | WorkerII | There used to be a problem with smp-kernels and saving power |
| 09:57.38 | WorkerII | IIRC |
| 09:57.45 | fatal_ | WorkerII: apm doesn't work with SMP. |
| 09:57.49 | fatal_ | WorkerII: acpi does. |
| 09:57.55 | WorkerII | ok .. then I want acpi, I guess. |
| 09:58.03 | fatal_ | WorkerII: and I guess apm doesn't work with HT.... |
| 09:58.24 | WorkerII | Probably not .. because you need an smp kernel to exploid HT. |
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| 09:59.20 | WorkerII | fatal_ : Now the question remains .. how do I start to exploid acpi? I have loaded some modules into the kernel ... (I didn't know it would not work with apm) |
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| 09:59.42 | Guerin | !dict exploid |
| 09:59.44 | dpkg | could not find definition for exploid |
| 10:00.06 | WorkerII | Guerout: Yes, I am not native english .. YouMayCorrectMyEnglish. |
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| 10:01.01 | WorkerII | less /usr/share/doc/HOWTO/en-txt/ACPI-HOWTO.gz |
| 10:01.09 | WorkerII | (zless, even) |
| 10:01.55 | jm_ | you can use less if you read man page for lessopen |
| 10:01.58 | WorkerII | apt-get install acpid |
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| 10:02.15 | jm_ | or lesspipe, I always forget |
| 10:02.56 | WorkerII | nice |
| 10:03.54 | WorkerII | apt-get install acpi |
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| 10:04.21 | WorkerII | fatal_ : I think you kickstarted me .. thanks :) |
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| 10:14.23 | streuner | WorkerII: http://tinyurl.com/6srvp ;-) |
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| 10:15.18 | WorkerII | kill tweety? |
| 10:15.41 | streuner | heh, how long do you know 'Kill Tweety'? |
| 10:16.15 | pflanze | Hello. Please point me to some page for Debian users where package archive signature keys are explained. |
| 10:16.28 | pflanze | I've got my head full of apt-secure troubles. |
| 10:16.34 | WorkerII | Since 45 seconds or so |
| 10:16.45 | pflanze | It seems like utter chaos. |
| 10:16.50 | streuner | push 'Ready' button and play |
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| 10:18.23 | WorkerII | your link points to the game. |
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| 10:18.30 | c-yco | hi |
| 10:18.55 | streuner | WorkerII: yeah, you need flash in order to play it. |
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| 10:19.16 | WorkerII | streuner : I played it .. but I don't have time, I am working. |
| 10:19.19 | dread65 | hey guys what do i need to type to scan for wireless networks around me |
| 10:19.22 | c-yco | any german here ? my technical english is not so good |
| 10:19.28 | dread65 | i want to see if my card is actually detecting stuff |
| 10:19.32 | WorkerII | c-yco : I think streuner is german. |
| 10:19.37 | WorkerII | dpkg, german |
| 10:19.37 | dpkg | from memory, german is #debian.de - deutschsprachige Debian-Hilfe gibt es in #debian.de |
| 10:19.57 | c-yco | thx |
| 10:20.09 | streuner | c-yco: /msg dpkg ask |
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| 10:20.35 | SiliconViper | There we go! Update to my bastardized variant of tasksel is available. |
| 10:20.36 | SiliconViper | http://colstrom.whatthefork.org/software/shellscript/bonuspack/readme.html |
| 10:20.47 | dread65 | hey guys waht do i need to just scan for wireless networks around me |
| 10:20.49 | SiliconViper | >_< |
| 10:20.51 | mort_ | dread65: kismet, iwlist |
| 10:20.52 | SiliconViper | http://colstrom.whatthefork.org/software/shellscript/bonuspack/readme.php |
| 10:20.57 | SiliconViper | Sorry, wrong link ;p |
| 10:21.00 | dread65 | mort_: oh ok |
| 10:21.53 | dread65 | mort_: i got kismet what do i do |
| 10:22.09 | SiliconViper | man kismet |
| 10:22.23 | dread65 | yea really |
| 10:22.38 | dread65 | i hate elitist smart asses like you |
| 10:22.44 | SiliconViper | Hey, calm down! |
| 10:22.46 | dread65 | thinking you are so much better when its 5 am in the morning |
| 10:22.46 | c-yco | as it seems that all at debian.de are sleeping :-) i will try to describe my problem here ... |
| 10:22.48 | dread65 | fuckin idiot |
| 10:22.48 | SiliconViper | I'm trying to help. |
| 10:23.24 | SiliconViper | dread65, man pages exist to help you. I don't know the answer, but I know where you can find it. It is bad for me to *not* tell you where to find it? |
| 10:23.49 | dread65 | its bad for you to say the fuckin obvious thing thinking you are smart |
| 10:23.53 | SiliconViper | I don't say it to be a smartass (although some do), I say it to help. |
| 10:24.02 | c-yco | i have here an old video conferencing card that i would like to use |
| 10:24.23 | mort_ | dread65: its 11:24 actually ;-) |
| 10:24.30 | revenger | 11:25 |
| 10:24.36 | petemc | 10:24 < revenger> 11:25 |
| 10:24.37 | SiliconViper | dread65, to be fair, if it was 'obvious', why didn't you try it? |
| 10:24.44 | SiliconViper | Wed Feb 2 02:24:50 PST 2005 |
| 10:24.50 | ahewitt | hey dread, if you are after a more intelligent response maybe you should rephrase the question...like "I have read the manual and tried X but it still isn't working" etc |
| 10:24.51 | revenger | ok :) |
| 10:24.52 | dread65 | SiliconViper: like i said its 5:30 in the morning |
| 10:24.53 | c-yco | lspci says the following . Multimedia controller : I.I.T. IIT3204/3501 |
| 10:25.04 | dread65 | SiliconViper: you heard of the concept of timezones |
| 10:25.43 | SiliconViper | dread65, So? It's 2am here, and I'm still offering suggestions, in a friendly way. Back off, and accept the help you get. I don't see any other suggestions, do you? |
| 10:25.50 | c-yco | the problem is that i dont know much about getting specific hardware running under linux/debian |
| 10:25.55 | dread65 | i dont have to back off |
| 10:25.56 | streuner | c-yco: have you discover installed? |
| 10:25.59 | dread65 | you stfu |
| 10:26.01 | WorkerII | c-yco : GNU/Linux |
| 10:26.02 | dread65 | dumb slut |
| 10:26.10 | mort_ | dread65: hey... thats not nice |
| 10:26.13 | WorkerII | c-yco Debian GNU/Linux. |
| 10:26.15 | dread65 | oh well sue me |
| 10:26.18 | petemc | dread65: why dont you lose the attitude, are you above reading documentation? do you need to be spoonfed? |
| 10:26.20 | WorkerII | !sue dread65 |
| 10:26.24 | SiliconViper | <PROTECTED> |
| 10:26.28 | dread65 | yea |
| 10:26.28 | dread65 | i do |
| 10:26.29 | ahewitt | ^---- psycho!! |
| 10:26.32 | c-yco | yes but i dont know how to use it, studied the manpage but not really wiser after that |
| 10:26.35 | mort_ | dread65: reading the man _really_ helps better than asking here.. |
| 10:26.39 | Phated | Oh, ffs, just ignore whoever it is. |
| 10:27.00 | SiliconViper | Heya Phated. How goes? |
| 10:27.12 | Phated | Hey, SiliconViper. What's up? |
| 10:27.17 | SiliconViper | Herm.... |
| 10:27.34 | ahewitt | hey do any of you guys know anything about cisco port forwarding by any chance?? |
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| 10:27.40 | bob2 | no!! |
| 10:27.41 | SiliconViper | Did you catch the link I just posted? Updated version of my bastardized variation of tasksel. |
| 10:28.07 | SiliconViper | ahewitt, a little bit, not much. Ask, and I will try my best! |
| 10:28.08 | c-yco | so how should i use discover to get more information about the card ? |
| 10:29.32 | ahewitt | SiliconViper: well I have it working fine for single ports, ie. just port 80 and 21 or whatever....but how do I forward a range such as 19000-19100...I have tried using an access list with the permit for all the ports I want to forward, but it doesn't seem to work |
| 10:29.48 | SiliconViper | Herm. |
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| 10:30.42 | ahewitt | SiliconViper: this works "ip nat inside source static tcp 192.168.0.50 XXXX interface Dialer0 XXXX" but this doesn't "ip nat inside source list 106 interface Dialer0 overload" |
| 10:30.54 | SiliconViper | From what I remember, access lists aren't what you are looking for. I don't really know what you *are* looking for, but you might save time not having to read through acl info. |
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| 10:31.19 | ahewitt | SiliconViper: hmmm cheers |
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| 10:31.34 | SiliconViper | ahewitt, I'll give it a look-see. |
| 10:31.39 | SiliconViper | Which hardware? |
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| 10:32.27 | keystonedeb | I am trying to use glade2.6.8 and ever widget I make always completely fills whatever window I place it in. Any idea what I am doing wrong? |
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| 10:32.52 | ahewitt | SiliconViper: 827 |
| 10:32.52 | bob2 | #gtk on irc.gnome.org |
| 10:32.56 | bob2 | (this is how gtk works) |
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| 10:33.16 | SiliconViper | ahewitt, 827? What's that? |
| 10:33.18 | nome | hi |
| 10:33.27 | ahewitt | SiliconViper: ADSL router |
| 10:33.41 | SiliconViper | ahewitt, I've got a 2611 I can throw commands at here, I'll see what I can find. |
| 10:33.41 | inetd | is there skype packages for debian? |
| 10:33.52 | keystonedeb | oh--i see--thanx |
| 10:33.56 | ahewitt | SiliconViper: sweet cheers |
| 10:33.57 | nome | how can i listen for radio streaming from webpage? |
| 10:33.58 | SiliconViper | inetd, apt-cache search skype |
| 10:34.09 | inetd | SiliconViper: return nothing |
| 10:34.09 | Phated | Skype's not in Debian. AFAIK. |
| 10:34.19 | mort_ | nome: depends on what kind of stream it is.. |
| 10:34.30 | SiliconViper | inetd, ah, then as Phated said, I guess it isn't in. |
| 10:34.30 | nome | they 're using such kind of realplayer and mplayer integrated |
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| 10:34.49 | nome | mort_: no way? |
| 10:34.49 | c-yco | no one a idea about my problem |
| 10:34.50 | SiliconViper | nome: as in... listen to streaming audio? or something else? |
| 10:34.50 | mort_ | nome: usually, mplayer plays a lot of it, but xmms or realplayer are handy sometimes too |
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| 10:35.18 | inetd | oh mad thats helpful ;) |
| 10:35.22 | SiliconViper | c-yco, sorry, I'm a total failure with wireless stuff. |
| 10:35.28 | nome | mort_: they are jscript ... how can i access to the real ip and port? |
| 10:35.39 | inetd | c-yco: whats the problem? |
| 10:35.52 | scarynetworkguy | They just released a static compiled version. |
| 10:35.52 | c-yco | not wireless, video conferencing card. |
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| 10:36.13 | mort_ | nome: check out the source or use streamtuner to find a nicer stream |
| 10:36.15 | hyur | hi. i'm using firefox under linux, but my school's web server will only allow either ie or mozilla under windows; is there any way i can change my headers so it will look like i'm using something else? |
| 10:36.21 | c-yco | i dont know to install new hardware under debian |
| 10:36.28 | SiliconViper | c-yco, ah, my bad. No experience at all with those. Dunno if that's better or worse. |
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| 10:36.54 | SiliconViper | c-yco, try.... # discover-modprobe |
| 10:37.02 | nome | mort_: i using it and i 'll continue .. i'll send an email to that radio explaining the problem |
| 10:37.06 | SiliconViper | No idea how useful that'll be. |
| 10:37.09 | nome | mort_: thanks anyway |
| 10:37.15 | nome | bye |
| 10:37.20 | mort_ | bye nome |
| 10:37.21 | drac | c-yco: ..check if you find your hardware in 'modconf' |
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| 10:37.50 | c-yco | ok ok i must say that im am really newbie |
| 10:38.16 | inetd | c-yco: what hardware is that? |
| 10:38.22 | mort_ | c-yco: do you know much about the hardware? use lspci to gather information |
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| 10:38.36 | PerfDave | hyur: There should be an extension for Firefox to change the User-Agent string. |
| 10:38.42 | Phated | hyur: There's an extension for FF. |
| 10:38.48 | SiliconViper | c-yco, we all are, at some things. I'm a newbie at lots of things! I think everyone here can think of something they are not experienced in. |
| 10:39.01 | SiliconViper | c-yco, so no worries! |
| 10:39.02 | c-yco | lspci says the following : Multimedia Controller I.I.T.IIT 3204/3501 |
| 10:39.10 | Phated | hyur: "IE 7.0 on Windows Longhorn." |
| 10:39.10 | SiliconViper | c-yco, update-pciids |
| 10:39.19 | c-yco | aehm what ? |
| 10:39.24 | PerfDave | hyur: But if you do that, then you will make websites think that they are being visited by a non-Linux or non-Mozilla browser, which will hurt the cause of creating browser- and platform-independent websites. Better to get your school to fix their web server or web proxy. |
| 10:39.29 | SiliconViper | c-yco, try that, as root. |
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| 10:39.38 | jake | hi all |
| 10:39.51 | SiliconViper | then, try 'discover-modprobe', if you didn't already. |
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| 10:40.20 | scarynetworkguy | hyur: |
| 10:40.31 | scarynetworkguy | hyur: ] |
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| 10:40.37 | c-yco | command not found ??? |
| 10:40.48 | scarynetworkguy | Fuck |
| 10:40.54 | micha-- | hi, i just noticed a number of exim files (from 2002) on this system, e.g. /usr/sbin/exim. According to dpkg, exim and related packages are purged. As a mail server I am using postfix. How can I get rid of these exim files? is it an option to install exim in parallel to postfix and purge it again, this time for real? |
| 10:41.00 | SiliconViper | ahewitt, Sorry, nothing in my textbooks about port forwarding, and the terminal on my 2611 isn't giving my much *useful* to you. |
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| 10:41.10 | scarynetworkguy | http://www.scarynetworkguy.net/2004/09/software-and-freedom.html |
| 10:41.12 | SiliconViper | ahewitt, try #cisco, maybe? |
| 10:41.19 | micha-- | (i noticed that postfix conflicts with mail-transport-agent?) |
| 10:41.22 | ahewitt | SiliconViper: heh...oh well cheers for looking... |
| 10:41.29 | scarynetworkguy | !punish my borken mouse. |
| 10:41.32 | SiliconViper | ahewitt, always glad to try! |
| 10:41.34 | ahewitt | SiliconViper: yeah I am in #cisco....dead as a doornail |
| 10:41.43 | SiliconViper | Ah. |
| 10:41.45 | SiliconViper | ;p |
| 10:41.47 | PerfDave | micha--: try "dpkg -S exim" to see if you still have anything installed which would put that there. |
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| 10:42.10 | c-yco | Silicon-Viper how you mean discover-modprobe ? |
| 10:42.14 | PerfDave | micha--: I know that all MTAs provide a binary called "sendmail", it's possible that postfix supplies a binary called "exim" too ;) |
| 10:42.15 | SiliconViper | ahewitt, it can take time, stick around in there, someone may answer you. |
| 10:42.17 | micha-- | PerfDave: tried that, no result. |
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| 10:42.32 | SiliconViper | c-yco, type discover-modprobe, in a terminal, as root. |
| 10:42.58 | c-yco | Silicon-Viper command not found |
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| 10:43.15 | SiliconViper | Oh? |
| 10:43.21 | PerfDave | micha--: Is it a symlink? Does "/usr/sbin/exim -V" report anything interesting? |
| 10:43.22 | SiliconViper | apt-get install discover |
| 10:43.31 | micha-- | PerfDave: maybe. but my postfix is from 2005, and this exim binary is from 2002... AFAIK I had exim back then |
| 10:43.45 | petemc | i doubt exim -V would say anything... |
| 10:44.46 | micha-- | PerfDave: it shows an error, because i uninstalled libident today. Thats how i noticed, the same error appeared in a mail from anacron |
| 10:45.05 | mort_ | c-yco: maybe you want to compile your own kernel with that stuff compiled in... |
| 10:45.24 | micha-- | PerfDave: you think it would help to re-install libident? |
| 10:45.54 | c-yco | ok discover-modprobe works and now ? |
| 10:45.56 | SiliconViper | mort_, but he still needs to figure out the module. Once he gets that figured out, then yeah, totally. |
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| 10:46.43 | SiliconViper | c-yco, lsmod |
| 10:46.44 | mort_ | SiliconViper: yeah, you're right |
| 10:46.58 | c-yco | the only module that is loaded that i dont recognize is hisax_fcpcipnp |
| 10:47.06 | SiliconViper | O_o |
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| 10:47.20 | SiliconViper | I have no idea what that is, but it sounds long. |
| 10:47.28 | c-yco | yeah |
| 10:47.37 | c-yco | i try to google it |
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| 10:48.04 | PerfDave | micha--: I don't see how that would help, personally. |
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| 10:48.26 | c-yco | seems to be the isdn fritz card |
| 10:48.38 | SiliconViper | I see. |
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| 10:49.03 | SiliconViper | I think this one is out of my league... sorry :( |
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| 10:49.04 | c-yco | but the videoconferencing card has also an isdn port |
| 10:49.10 | SiliconViper | It does? |
| 10:49.17 | SiliconViper | Maybe that's it? |
| 10:49.17 | c-yco | yes |
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| 10:49.23 | SiliconViper | Maybe it found it? |
| 10:49.38 | c-yco | perhaps but i want to use the video port ... |
| 10:49.42 | SiliconViper | Heya jethro |
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| 10:49.58 | cuse | How can I override on the console which Debconf frontend to use? I'm just working remotely on machine which has the KDE debconf frontend set and even 'dpkg-reconfigure debconf' fails with "cannot connect to x server' |
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| 10:50.01 | SiliconViper | c-yco, true, but if it is at least *detecting* it, that's a start. |
| 10:50.06 | c-yco | i found a site were it is suggested to try modprobe bttv |
| 10:50.16 | jm_ | cuse: man ddpkg-reconfigure |
| 10:50.22 | jm_ | dpkg even |
| 10:50.22 | dpkg | odd |
| 10:50.29 | micha-- | PerfDave: just had a look at the changelog (/usr/share/doc/exim/ is there, too). the version seems to be 3.35-1, looks like woody |
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| 10:50.37 | SiliconViper | cuse: If no display is available. debconf falls back to 'dialog' |
| 10:50.41 | c-yco | what will be the output when bttv don't find a card ? |
| 10:50.56 | PerfDave | micha--: what does "dpkg -l exim" say? |
| 10:51.07 | cuse | SiliconViper: no it doesnt, sometimes it does, often it doesnt |
| 10:51.16 | SiliconViper | It'll spew errors, about not being able to access the frontend, but if there is a configuration option, it comes up. |
| 10:51.30 | c-yco | lsmod says that is bttv is loaded |
| 10:51.38 | c-yco | how can i access the port ? |
| 10:51.43 | SiliconViper | The errors will persist, even if there is nothing to configure, as long as the package calls debconf for anything. |
| 10:51.50 | drac | are kdm, gdm or xdm really my only choices? |
| 10:52.13 | SiliconViper | drac, As far as I know, yes. What are you looking for, feature-eise? |
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| 10:52.15 | SiliconViper | *wise |
| 10:52.21 | micha-- | PerfDave: pn exim <none> <no description available> -- something like that, in german |
| 10:52.25 | directhex|work | drac, there's wdm and sdm |
| 10:52.36 | SiliconViper | Hey! |
| 10:52.42 | PerfDave | micha--: strange. I'm stumped. |
| 10:52.51 | drac | Ok, thanks. |
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| 10:52.59 | c-yco | on moment away |
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| 10:54.21 | SiliconViper | c-yco, I think you've reached the end of what I know. All I can really suggest from here, is google, tldp.org, and asking someone else. Hopefully, they'll be able to help better than I can. |
| 10:54.23 | PerfDave | There's also the "entrance" login manager, but it doesn't seem to be packaged for Debian. |
| 10:55.01 | c-yco | ok no problem |
| 10:55.02 | micha-- | PerfDave: ok, i guess i'll leave it as it is... thanks for your effort |
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| 10:55.27 | directhex|work | PerfDave, if you check out the e17 dvs, it has full debian/rules info for building packages |
| 10:55.30 | directhex|work | *cvs |
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| 10:56.14 | PerfDave | directhex|work: Enough with the boy band fixation. They split up, and Brian Harvey is a cunt. |
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| 10:57.13 | directhex|work | PerfDave, TT were better anyway. /me strokes robbie |
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| 10:59.29 | c-yco | Silicon-Viper seems that the bttv module works but xawtv tries to /dev/video0 which not exists |
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| 11:03.00 | robin_sz | morning girls ... |
| 11:04.04 | robin_sz | I have a Dell poweredge 1850 with scsi perc/megaraid ... the sarge installer ran OK, but first boot causes a kernel panic, fails to insmod the megaraid driver, no such device .. any clues? |
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| 11:05.04 | robin_sz | ahh, ok, found this: http://wiki.osuosl.org/display/LNX/Debian+on+Dell+Servers |
| 11:05.24 | petemc | robin_sz: you might also want to check the archives of the linux poweredge mailing list |
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| 11:05.40 | SiliconViper | c-yco, ls /dev/video* |
| 11:05.57 | robin_sz | petemc: linux poweredge mailing list? URI? |
| 11:06.16 | petemc | robin_sz: dont know it off the top of my head, not hard to find.. |
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| 11:06.25 | robin_sz | 'k ta. |
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| 11:06.44 | c-yco | Silicon-Viper nothing found |
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| 11:08.01 | SiliconViper | c-yco, it's SiliconViper, not Silicon-Viper ^_~ |
| 11:08.06 | ishamael | hello. i added the emu10k1 module to my /etc/modules to load it on startup, but when booting, it prints a message that this module is blacklisted. what does that mean and what can i do? |
| 11:08.17 | SiliconViper | The former makes my xchat icon blink, the latter does not. |
| 11:08.21 | c-yco | SiliconViper ok |
| 11:08.24 | SiliconViper | ^_~ |
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| 11:09.09 | SiliconViper | c-yco, if there's nothing found, I'm pretty much lost. |
| 11:09.24 | SiliconViper | I'm basically grasping at straws here... |
| 11:09.56 | c-yco | anyone else here with knowledge about bttv ? |
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| 11:10.04 | nome | hi again |
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| 11:10.09 | SiliconViper | Heya nome! |
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| 11:10.24 | nome | how can i link jdk with firefox? |
| 11:10.30 | nome | to |
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| 11:10.56 | SiliconViper | nome: Which jdk? |
| 11:11.37 | nome | jdk-1_5_0_01-linux-i586.bin |
| 11:12.04 | SiliconViper | Oh, Sun's JDK.... |
| 11:12.09 | nome | yes |
| 11:12.22 | inetd | anyone using voip provider to make calls? |
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| 11:12.45 | nome | is there also an apt version? |
| 11:12.56 | SiliconViper | nome: sun's jdk is non-free. |
| 11:13.07 | vulture | nome: use java-package |
| 11:13.13 | vulture | you can build a deb from the binary you have there |
| 11:13.17 | nome | yes i know |
| 11:13.21 | SiliconViper | If one did exist in the repository, you'd need to add non-free to your /etc/apt/sources.list |
| 11:13.24 | vulture | make-jpkg in the java-package package |
| 11:13.46 | nome | make-jpkg *.bin? |
| 11:13.52 | SiliconViper | For whatever repository you used. |
| 11:14.13 | petemc | inetd: yeah, freeworld dial up |
| 11:14.16 | nome | SiliconViper: i have also non free but i couldn't find |
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| 11:15.03 | vulture | nome: sure.. RTFM |
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| 11:15.23 | nome | :) ok |
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| 11:15.45 | SiliconViper | nome: apt-get install java-virtual-machine java-runtime java-compiler |
| 11:16.09 | vulture | SiliconViper: it's really not too hard to use java-package, and imnsho it's probably the right way to go for most users |
| 11:16.21 | ^Willie^ | Hi there |
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| 11:16.27 | Noidster_ | is there a repository where old packages get stored? i'm thinking about kernel-image-2.6.5, specifically |
| 11:16.31 | inetd | petemc: what are the internation call rates are like? |
| 11:16.40 | ^Willie^ | someone know an site where is an documentation about debian kernel update howto ? |
| 11:16.40 | einsteinmg | hmmm is there a chance to deaktivate the cache for a specific drive in debian? |
| 11:16.43 | juhov | noidster_: /msg dpkg sdn |
| 11:16.51 | einsteinmg | not with hdparm (not the drivecache itself, but the os cache) |
| 11:16.57 | SiliconViper | vulture, I don't even see java-package in the repository. |
| 11:17.02 | Noidster_ | juhov: many thanks |
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| 11:17.09 | nome | vulture: SiliconViper anyway will it be than linked to firefox? |
| 11:17.15 | vulture | SiliconViper: it's in sid. It's just some scripts so from what I hear it's easy to install and run in sarge |
| 11:17.38 | SiliconViper | vulture, I recompiled firefox, and specified where to find it. |
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| 11:18.07 | vulture | nome: make-jpkg produces a deb of the sun distributable, but then there's also an extra debian package which has some bits and pieces to help that generated debian package work with everything else I think (not sure how much stuff hooks in when you just have the generated package installed) |
| 11:18.16 | vulture | SiliconViper: that's excessive, I've not had to build buch of anything from source |
| 11:18.26 | KillerBunny | Is there a way to make the kernel boot silent (not so verbal) ? |
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| 11:18.33 | vulture | about the only thing was some friend wanted cppunit build for gcc 3.4, which was easy enough |
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| 11:18.42 | vulture | KillerBunny: why would you want that? |
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| 11:18.53 | KillerBunny | So it only reports errors? |
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| 11:19.04 | KillerBunny | Cause i dont want to look at all the shit it produces. |
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| 11:19.06 | SiliconViper | vulture, Excessive? No. Unneccessary, yes. I wanted to tweak some other things, anyways. And for whatever reason, the precompiled version doesn't like to prelink. |
| 11:19.13 | vulture | KillerBunny: so just don't look :) |
| 11:19.24 | KillerBunny | Okey, thanks for not anwsering the quistion. |
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| 11:19.43 | vulture | KillerBunny: any time |
| 11:20.04 | EpPiE | hello |
| 11:20.04 | SiliconViper | KillerBunny, The only way *I* know of, is to use a bootsplash, with 'splash=silent' set. |
| 11:20.10 | KillerBunny | Ohh okey. |
| 11:20.13 | EpPiE | can someone please help me with an tv card problem? |
| 11:20.14 | SiliconViper | I'm sure there is a way, though. |
| 11:20.21 | KillerBunny | Though you could do it like in knoppix. |
| 11:20.33 | SiliconViper | KillerBunny, Really? |
| 11:20.40 | KillerBunny | Where it has compesses the messages. |
| 11:20.49 | nighter | rsh? is that with .rhosts login and stuff? |
| 11:20.56 | SiliconViper | KillerBunny, I'd suggest reading the knoppix scripts, and seeing how they do it! |
| 11:20.57 | KillerBunny | So i would have a ** sound, ** mounting etc. |
| 11:21.28 | SiliconViper | KillerBunny, I'd actually be interested to see for myself, too. |
| 11:21.33 | KillerBunny | =) |
| 11:21.44 | KillerBunny | Maybe we can find something in the knoppix scripts. |
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| 11:22.04 | EpPiE | can someone please help me with an tv card problem is detected ok by the bttv drivers but i cant get any working screen |
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| 11:22.09 | elho | hi |
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| 11:23.18 | elho | is it me or is exim4 missing the dc_localdelivery debconf setting to enable delivery to Maildir? |
| 11:23.20 | SiliconViper | EpPiE, heh, c-yco is having similar problems. If either of you solve it, your should share the solution with each other! |
| 11:23.28 | KillerBunny | Maybe i should just get a splash instead. |
| 11:23.44 | elho | haven't found a bug about it either, which surprised me |
| 11:23.47 | *** part/#debian COReE (~COReE@83.103.40.74) |
| 11:23.48 | SiliconViper | KillerBunny, splashes require patching the kernel. |
| 11:23.55 | KillerBunny | I know |
| 11:24.04 | SiliconViper | Reading the Knoppix scripts would be less painful, in my opinion. |
| 11:24.12 | ^Willie^ | Hello ?? |
| 11:24.15 | CosmoDad_ | hi I'm having some USB trouble: I can use an USB mouse on my laptop if I reboot my box with the mouse plugged in, but if I start the machine mouse-unplugged and later plug it in debian won't find the mouse. What's wrong? |
| 11:24.56 | SiliconViper | CosmoDad_, /etc/init.d/hotplug restart ? |
| 11:25.01 | Indal | hmm what would /dev/cciss be? cciss? |
| 11:25.02 | ^Willie^ | some one can give advice ? |
| 11:25.21 | Skiver | hi, what happens if someone rm -rf /var/log/ |
| 11:25.25 | SlayerXP | ^Willie^: yes, don't order the oysters |
| 11:25.28 | CosmoDad_ | SiliconViper: even if that helps, I want my system to recognize the mouse all the time without the need of restarting a service... |
| 11:25.33 | nome | hey is there a bot here? |
| 11:25.38 | EpPiE | SiliconViper: has c-yco got a sollution of dont yo now that? |
| 11:25.38 | ^Willie^ | nice joke SlayerXP |
| 11:25.41 | SlayerXP | Skiver: you hit them, and ban them from having the root password every again |
| 11:25.45 | Indal | Skiver it removes the log directory and everything contained within it |
| 11:26.12 | Skiver | SlayerXP, Indal : Does it affect other services which use log ? |
| 11:26.31 | KillerBunny | EpPiE, i had a problem with the software i used. |
| 11:26.35 | nome | vulture: is there a bot here? |
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| 11:26.38 | SiliconViper | EpPiE, not yet, but hey, two heads are better than something or other. |
| 11:26.39 | KillerBunny | Try some other software. |
| 11:26.54 | SiliconViper | nome, there are. |
| 11:26.58 | EpPiE | KillerBunny: i have used xawtv and tvtime |
| 11:27.02 | vulture | nome: dpkg is the bot in these parts |
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| 11:27.20 | nome | SiliconViper: http://serios.net/content/debian/java.php |
| 11:27.28 | KillerBunny | I couldnt get mine to work in xawtv, cant remeber which worked though. |
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| 11:27.37 | nome | for make-kpkg and sun java |
| 11:27.38 | pingouin | is it possible to move the swap to other hard drive ? |
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| 11:27.40 | KillerBunny | Some bloated one. |
| 11:27.52 | pingouin | just have to make it point other /dev/ in fstab it's ok ? |
| 11:27.58 | SiliconViper | nome, that's great, now if only it didn't require me to install non-free packages. |
| 11:28.09 | ^Willie^ | how to update kernel 2.4 to 2.6 without compiling stuff i saw some patches in the woody map |
| 11:28.10 | SiliconViper | I do my best to avoid that section, when possible. |
| 11:28.32 | EpPiE | Jan 31 15:10:47 localhost kernel: bttv: Bt8xx card found (0). |
| 11:28.33 | EpPiE | Jan 31 15:10:47 localhost kernel: bttv0: Bt878 (rev 17) at 01:04.0, irq: 18, l |
| 11:28.42 | EpPiE | this looks good i think? |
| 11:28.45 | pingouin | yep |
| 11:28.47 | SiliconViper | pingouin, you'd need to create swap on that drive, first. |
| 11:29.07 | SiliconViper | EpPiE, Yeah, seems pretty normal. |
| 11:29.21 | pingouin | SiliconViper: with cfdisk it's ok also ? then change the fstab ? that's ok ? |
| 11:29.23 | EpPiE | Jan 31 15:10:47 localhost kernel: bttv0: registered device video0 |
| 11:29.23 | EpPiE | Jan 31 15:10:47 localhost kernel: bttv0: registered device vbi0 |
| 11:29.24 | EpPiE | Jan 31 15:10:47 localhost kernel: bttv0: registered device radio |
| 11:29.38 | jethro | pingouin: yes, then mkswap iirc |
| 11:29.42 | SiliconViper | pingouin, It might be! (Can't promise anything). |
| 11:29.42 | pingouin | EpPiE: xawtv -hawscan |
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| 11:30.00 | EpPiE | /dev/video0: OK [ -device /dev/video0 ] |
| 11:30.00 | EpPiE | <PROTECTED> |
| 11:30.01 | EpPiE | <PROTECTED> |
| 11:30.01 | EpPiE | <PROTECTED> |
| 11:30.01 | *** kick/#debian [EpPiE!~debhelper@debhelper.user] by debhelper (flood: Consider using #flood) |
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| 11:30.03 | SiliconViper | pingouin, as jethro said, mkswap is what you want, after creating the partition |
| 11:30.06 | pingouin | hi, jethro , what is this mkswap iirc ? |
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| 11:30.15 | jethro | !iirc |
| 11:30.15 | dpkg | IIRC, "IIRC" is an acronym for "If I Recall Correctly", or "If I remember correctly" |
| 11:30.15 | KillerBunny | I got another issue, i cant get alsa to save the soundcard settings post-boot. |
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| 11:30.21 | zinx | dpkg-shlibdeps: warning: format of libfglrx_gamma.1 not recognized |
| 11:30.22 | zinx | hah |
| 11:30.24 | pingouin | :) |
| 11:30.26 | pingouin | ok |
| 11:30.26 | jethro | pingouin: mkswap is a command, self explanatory :) |
| 11:30.34 | SiliconViper | pingouin, http://rtfm.whatthefork.org/cgi-bin/man/man2html?query=mkswap |
| 11:30.36 | zinx | looks like something needs to be tweaked in dpkg-shlibdeps :) |
| 11:30.40 | EpPiE | pingouin: is that good? |
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| 11:30.46 | EpPiE | <PROTECTED> |
| 11:30.46 | EpPiE | <PROTECTED> |
| 11:30.47 | EpPiE | <PROTECTED> |
| 11:30.48 | jethro | !tell EpPiE about paste |
| 11:30.57 | pingouin | gonna check thx SiliconViper |
| 11:30.58 | Rob_Sysman | hi room |
| 11:31.00 | KillerBunny | !tell KillerBunny about paste |
| 11:31.02 | Rob_Sysman | Im a total newbie |
| 11:31.03 | SiliconViper | pingouin, Glad to help! |
| 11:31.06 | Rob_Sysman | I need some help |
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| 11:31.14 | EpPiE | SORRY |
| 11:31.16 | jethro | Rob_Sysman: you don't have to tell, we can notice such things |
| 11:31.25 | jethro | !tell Rob_Sysman about ask |
| 11:31.27 | SiliconViper | Rob_Sysman, we are all newbies at something. |
| 11:31.30 | Rob_Sysman | :) |
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| 11:31.44 | pingouin | EpPiE: check the right on /dev/video* |
| 11:31.50 | Rob_Sysman | well, I have a TERA-100U ADSL Modem |
| 11:31.54 | EpPiE | [ -device /dev/video0 ] |
| 11:31.58 | Rob_Sysman | and I got the drivers also |
| 11:32.03 | Rob_Sysman | but i need help installing them |
| 11:32.12 | Rob_Sysman | when i try dpkg or apt-get, it says dependency error |
| 11:32.18 | SiliconViper | Oh? |
| 11:32.18 | EpPiE | pingouin: thats the one |
| 11:32.35 | jethro | Rob_Sysman: what did you do to get the river? |
| 11:32.37 | jethro | driver even |
| 11:32.40 | inetd | how does metacity themes fit in ...in fluxbox? |
| 11:32.42 | Rob_Sysman | river? |
| 11:32.42 | KillerBunny | Hmm, when i do alsaconf i get the soundcard to work. But after boot it doesnt work again. |
| 11:32.49 | pingouin | EpPiE: so just laucnh xawtv -d /dev/video0 -otheroption |
| 11:32.59 | Rob_Sysman | well I got the eciadsl package from debian.org |
| 11:33.01 | pingouin | EpPiE: or grab another tv viewer |
| 11:33.07 | Phated | KillerBunny: Put the module that it loads into /etc/modules. |
| 11:33.10 | pingouin | EpPiE: what is the card by the way ? |
| 11:33.19 | cef | anyone got sarge or sid and has samba installed? |
| 11:33.21 | sanso | how do I get udev to create device X when module Y is loaded? (That's what it should do, right?) |
| 11:33.40 | jethro | Rob_Sysman: what's this depends problem you're talking about? |
| 11:33.46 | pingouin | EpPiE: http://www.exploits.org/v4l/ |
| 11:33.46 | sanso | !tell cef about polls |
| 11:33.52 | Rob_Sysman | well, yeah maybe I just dont know what packages to download |
| 11:34.10 | cef | sanso: bah |
| 11:34.15 | EpPiE | pingouin: have tried tvtime |
| 11:34.15 | jethro | Rob_Sysman: just apt-get instasll eciadsl and apt-get will take care of the depds |
| 11:34.24 | Rob_Sysman | no it doesnt work |
| 11:34.26 | sanso | cef, I had to learn that, too :-) |
| 11:34.27 | cef | anyone got sarge or sid and has samba installed? if you do, can you tell me if you have a file called 'gdbcomamnds' in /etc/samba please? |
| 11:34.30 | jethro | Rob_Sysman: if you wish to /msg me, you have to ask me |
| 11:34.34 | jethro | Rob_Sysman: if you wish to /msg me, you have to ask me *FIRST* |
| 11:34.42 | Rob_Sysman | oops sorry |
| 11:34.51 | EpPiE | Pinnacle PCTV Studio/Rave [card= 39,autodetected] |
| 11:34.52 | Rob_Sysman | can I? |
| 11:34.56 | jethro | Rob_Sysman: and to be honest I don't like to be /msg'ed |
| 11:34.57 | jethro | Rob_Sysman: no |
| 11:34.57 | ^Willie^ | someone that can help by pm ??? |
| 11:35.19 | Rob_Sysman | jethro I need to send u a link |
| 11:35.20 | jethro | !tell ^Willie^ about ask |
| 11:35.30 | jethro | Rob_Sysman: a link to what? |
| 11:35.40 | Rob_Sysman | website |
| 11:35.41 | sanso | cef, I have and, yes, I do. |
| 11:35.50 | jethro | Rob_Sysman: just paste it here |
| 11:35.53 | Rob_Sysman | k one sec |
| 11:35.58 | Rob_Sysman | http://packages.debian.org/testing/net/eciadsl |
| 11:36.04 | Phated | Hey, cef. Long time no see. :) |
| 11:36.06 | Rob_Sysman | well, I dont know what all to download |
| 11:36.15 | cef | sanso: reportbug time *grin* |
| 11:36.18 | jethro | Rob_Sysman: you are on sarge at the moment? |
| 11:36.23 | cef | Phated: heya! yeah.. long time, no see |
| 11:36.23 | EpPiE | pingouin: this card has to work with bttv |
| 11:36.25 | sanso | cef, why is that? |
| 11:36.36 | Phated | cef: What's up? :) |
| 11:36.40 | Rob_Sysman | it says libc6 and libc6.1 to download, but do i have to download everything everytime |
| 11:36.54 | SiliconViper | ^Willie^, Many of us don't help via PM. It denies other people the opportunity to learn from your solution. |
| 11:37.04 | ^Willie^ | i understand |
| 11:37.08 | sanso | cef, is it bad to have that file? what does it do? |
| 11:37.13 | cef | sanso: well that fileis obviously from someone debugging samba using gdb (backtrace) |
| 11:37.14 | ^Willie^ | but i need an manual for debian how to update the kernel |
| 11:37.17 | SiliconViper | ^Willie^, awesome! |
| 11:37.20 | cef | sanso: well it's just not necessary |
| 11:37.21 | Rob_Sysman | i mean, there are 20 dependent packages for each software, do I have to download the packages one by one, isnt there a way to download all at once |
| 11:37.23 | ^Willie^ | befor i blowup the mess again |
| 11:37.32 | sanso | cef, okay, got it :-D |
| 11:37.33 | jethro | Rob_Sysman: you don't have to manually download stuff, for the love of god, just do what I told you, apt-get install eciadsl, and apt-get will take care of fixing the dependencies |
| 11:37.41 | Phated | ^Willie^: Google "the very verbose guide kernel" |
| 11:37.48 | jethro | !tell ^Willie^ about kp |
| 11:37.53 | SiliconViper | ^Willie^, apt-get install kernel-image-VERSION-ARCH |
| 11:37.56 | pingouin | EpPiE: which one is it ? |
| 11:37.58 | ^Willie^ | on the ftp there are ramdisk images and kernel patches for 2.6.x kernels apt-get go install an initrd update |
| 11:38.00 | Rob_Sysman | one more question |
| 11:38.10 | Rob_Sysman | How can I instal from gzip files, say inst.gz |
| 11:38.13 | ^Willie^ | jethro: one time is enuf ok |
| 11:38.14 | Rob_Sysman | sorry inst.tar.gz |
| 11:38.24 | jethro | ^Willie^: that's a different one, ok? |
| 11:38.30 | EpPiE | Pinnacle PCTV Studio/Rave [card= 39,autodetected |
| 11:38.40 | jethro | ^Willie^: I m trying to help, if you don't give a rat butt, then screw you |
| 11:38.46 | pingouin | EpPiE: i dont have one, my retailler always have some CN878 chipset card, i'm not sure they running under linux never bought one |
| 11:39.03 | jethro | Rob_Sysman: you don't if you can install from .deb |
| 11:39.10 | EpPiE | pingouin: bttv detectes the card so and it is the right card |
| 11:39.11 | Rob_Sysman | well, generally jethro |
| 11:39.16 | cef | sanso: actually, hold on, I think it is used |
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| 11:39.22 | ^Willie^ | better question when come`s debian with an up to date dist |
| 11:39.23 | jethro | Rob_Sysman: if you can't install a .deb, then tar zxf the .tgz and more README |
| 11:39.27 | pingouin | EpPiE: yeah, no problem 4 u and 878 |
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| 11:39.33 | jethro | !tell ^Willie^ about wir |
| 11:39.42 | pingouin | EpPiE: so ok ? you got the tv on ? |
| 11:39.42 | dasunt | Any ops: You might want to do a /whois Jessica_21f and then kick her. |
| 11:39.49 | Rob_Sysman | ok thanks |
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| 11:39.52 | EpPiE | pingouin: no its not working |
| 11:40.06 | pingouin | why ? |
| 11:40.08 | EpPiE | pingouin: getting blue screen |
| 11:40.10 | cef | sanso: yeah it's used.. it's just not documented anywhere apart from in the script that calls it.. grr |
| 11:40.17 | jethro | Rob_Sysman: yw |
| 11:40.40 | EpPiE | pingouin: but it did worked on redhat |
| 11:40.44 | cef | Phated: oh the usual.. not a lot *grin* |
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| 11:40.55 | Phated | cef: Heh. Cool. |
| 11:41.05 | weblin | Does anyone know how to suspend a machine using acpi? running /etc/acpi/actions/suspend.sh doesnt work |
| 11:41.09 | pingouin | EpPiE: you have the right on the device /dev/video0 ? |
| 11:41.32 | ^Willie^ | .quit lame shit |
| 11:41.32 | EpPiE | pingouin: did also run it as root |
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| 11:41.44 | pingouin | erf |
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| 11:42.33 | EpPiE | pingouin: isnt that good? |
| 11:42.40 | pingouin | np |
| 11:42.54 | EpPiE | pingouin: i dont get it |
| 11:42.59 | SiliconViper | <PROTECTED> |
| 11:43.07 | pingouin | why dont you have the tv |
| 11:43.16 | jethro | SiliconViper: he's gone |
| 11:43.16 | pingouin | and this blue screen from other os ? ;) |
| 11:43.20 | SiliconViper | Oh, wait... |
| 11:43.24 | jethro | :) |
| 11:43.25 | SiliconViper | jethro, aha. |
| 11:43.26 | SiliconViper | I se.. |
| 11:43.29 | SiliconViper | *see... |
| 11:43.36 | Indal | could someone explain this: Use your ACU and create new LUN with RAID 1: what is ACU and LUM ? |
| 11:43.50 | jethro | Indal: read some stuff about RAID |
| 11:44.12 | jethro | Indal: and SCSI too |
| 11:44.31 | Indal | hmm yeh i need to, i understand the theory, raid 1, raid 2 etc, can you direct me to somewhere in particular that wil explain it all without all the mirroring, and striping etc, which ia lready know about |
| 11:44.33 | jethro | ACU stands for Array Configuration Utility |
| 11:45.03 | EpPiE | pingouin: where do you think the problem is the bttv driver or the application |
| 11:45.05 | jethro | as for LUN I have no idea :) |
| 11:45.15 | jethro | !lun |
| 11:45.42 | jethro | dpkg: ACU is a raid specific term which means Array Configuration Utility |
| 11:45.43 | dpkg | jethro: okay |
| 11:46.06 | cef | Logical Unit Number afaik |
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| 11:46.11 | cef | or perhaps Node |
| 11:46.12 | jethro | yep |
| 11:46.20 | jethro | dpkg: LUN is Logical Unit Number |
| 11:46.20 | dpkg | okay, jethro |
| 11:46.23 | Indal | ahh cool |
| 11:46.27 | Indal | right i need to go and read ;-) |
| 11:46.37 | jethro | Indal: it's a shame we had to fgi for you :/ |
| 11:46.40 | pingouin | EpPiE: really i dont know |
| 11:46.42 | Indal | i presume that theory implies towards hardware RAID and not software RAID |
| 11:46.54 | jethro | Indal: I presume you need to *read* and not ask :) |
| 11:46.55 | Indal | or does software RAID have ACU and LUN as well? |
| 11:47.00 | EpPiE | pingouin: do i need to reinstall linux |
| 11:47.00 | Indal | fiardo's |
| 11:47.03 | jethro | this ain't #raid ;) |
| 11:47.03 | EpPiE | ? |
| 11:47.06 | pingouin | EpPiE: no |
| 11:47.07 | Indal | s/fi/fa/ |
| 11:47.28 | pingouin | EpPiE: lsmod give you all the module for the card ? bt and also the sound and tuner ? |
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| 11:48.02 | cef | software raid has tools that effectively emulate the ACU (eg: mdadm) |
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| 11:48.43 | EpPiE | pingouin: bttv, videodev, tvaudio enz... |
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| 11:48.57 | cef | lo tarzeau |
| 11:49.01 | tarzeau | hi |
| 11:49.01 | EpPiE | pingouin: did the installation of debian auto installed |
| 11:49.05 | jethro | hi helvetian tarzeau |
| 11:49.12 | pingouin | EpPiE: i dont know |
| 11:49.21 | tarzeau | jethro: hey jethro. i'm not helvetian but turkish |
| 11:49.31 | jethro | mm |
| 11:49.41 | jethro | you masquerade well then |
| 11:49.43 | jethro | ; |
| 11:49.44 | EpPiE | which modules are loaded by your tv card |
| 11:49.48 | EpPiE | ? |
| 11:49.59 | tarzeau | jethro: i live in switzerland. |
| 11:50.05 | pingouin | EpPiE: as i said, i dont have one |
| 11:50.08 | jethro | tarzeau: I know we already talked about that |
| 11:50.10 | tarzeau | jethro: but living at place x, doesn't make you x |
| 11:50.10 | EpPiE | o sorry\ |
| 11:50.22 | jethro | tarzeau: I forgot you were turkish tho |
| 11:50.33 | tarzeau | jethro: no voting, no travel status of helvetian, no work status of helvetian |
| 11:50.46 | jethro | tarzeau: taht's cause it's a pain to get them isn't it? |
| 11:50.58 | tarzeau | jethro: more like expensive |
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| 11:51.10 | jethro | where in .ch are you again? |
| 11:51.11 | tarzeau | jethro: does it hurt to pay $4000 to get another passport? |
| 11:51.13 | SiliconViper | Well, I'm sufficiently incoherent. Sleep seems fun, I think I'll try that. |
| 11:51.16 | SiliconViper | Wed Feb 2 03:51:21 PST 2005 |
| 11:51.19 | SiliconViper | >_< |
| 11:51.24 | tarzeau | jethro: why would you know where in .ch i am? |
| 11:51.30 | Phated | SiliconViper: Pft, noob. :) |
| 11:51.30 | SiliconViper | Night everyone! |
| 11:51.31 | tarzeau | <PROTECTED> |
| 11:51.32 | jethro | just being curious |
| 11:51.35 | SiliconViper | Phated, <3 |
| 11:51.35 | pingouin | EpPiE: any log message ? /var/log/messages ? or in the app ? |
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| 11:51.39 | jethro | I leave near geneva |
| 11:51.41 | jethro | live even |
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| 11:51.50 | Phated | SiliconViper: I slept at 8:09 this morning. :) |
| 11:51.55 | SiliconViper | ;p |
| 11:51.57 | jethro | pardon me for being curious |
| 11:52.11 | streuner | Phated: http://tinyurl.com/6srvp |
| 11:52.15 | SiliconViper | I've been getting 2-3 hours of sleep for the past few days. |
| 11:52.17 | EpPiE | pingouin: cat /var/log/messages | grep bttv |
| 11:52.19 | tarzeau | jethro: i couldn't see you're in .ch too. well i'm kt. ag/zh |
| 11:52.25 | scarynetworkguy | The daystar sucks. |
| 11:52.28 | tarzeau | jethro: sometimes can be also met in kt. so |
| 11:52.32 | SiliconViper | scarynetworkguy, totally. |
| 11:52.36 | jethro | ok ty |
| 11:52.36 | scarynetworkguy | All sleeping should be done while he is around. |
| 11:52.47 | SiliconViper | he? |
| 11:52.52 | robin_sz | she! |
| 11:52.53 | jethro | and I m at the french border not in .ch :) |
| 11:52.54 | cef | hrm.. sleep.. one of these days I should try that |
| 11:52.56 | SiliconViper | Energy has gender, now? |
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| 11:53.02 | SiliconViper | Awesome. |
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| 11:53.06 | SiliconViper | Just... awesome. |
| 11:53.07 | joefso | Hi |
| 11:53.11 | robin_sz | jethro: geneve? |
| 11:53.17 | EpPiE | pingouin: that doesnt give any error |
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| 11:53.29 | scarynetworkguy | TerminX: Then why are you going to bed while the daystar is still down? |
| 11:53.41 | scarynetworkguy | SiliconViper: Then why are you going to bed while the daystar is still down? |
| 11:53.53 | runa | hey :) I've just installed sarge and now my fonts in X are antialiased. How do I do to remove antialias? |
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| 11:53.59 | pingouin | EpPiE: what is you're tuner ? |
| 11:54.03 | jethro | robin_sz: yes, 15km away, on the french side |
| 11:54.09 | tarzeau | runa: gnome? kde? gnustep? something else? |
| 11:54.14 | EpPiE | pingouin: do you mean the /dev/ device? |
| 11:54.20 | SiliconViper | scarynetworkguy, because, I want to dream? |
| 11:54.22 | EpPiE | pingouin: do you mean the /dev/video0 i think |
| 11:54.25 | SiliconViper | Dreams are fun! |
| 11:54.26 | pingouin | EpPiE: the tuner on the card |
| 11:54.31 | Phated | streuner: You are a sick sick man. |
| 11:54.41 | runa | tarzeau: fluxbox |
| 11:54.42 | robin_sz | jethro: 'k ... our office is in confignon ... I'll wave :) |
| 11:54.48 | jethro | :) |
| 11:54.48 | Phated | tarzeau: Openbox. |
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| 11:54.52 | tarzeau | runa: sorry i only know how to turn it off for GNUstep |
| 11:54.55 | streuner | Phated: thank you, you don't like 'Kill Tweedy'? |
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| 11:55.06 | Phated | streuner: It's... disturbing. :) |
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| 11:55.12 | runa | tarzeau: but I think it's more an X thing, than a window manager feature |
| 11:55.14 | robin_sz | gah, pesky dell perc. |
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| 11:55.30 | EpPiE | pingouin: i think a philips |
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| 11:55.54 | pingouin | EpPiE: sorry it'a a french page http://lea-linux.org/hardware/tv.html it 's say to add some tuning in /etc/modules to add tuner debug= type blah check the list maybe... |
| 11:56.03 | pingouin | go 2 go croissants hunting |
| 11:56.37 | streuner | Phated: its just fun, no more, in relation to other games on the market its fun ... ;-) |
| 11:56.45 | Phated | streuner: Haha. True. |
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| 11:57.27 | robin_sz | if a 2 month old sarge netinstall iso doesnt work with the Dell perc/megaraid ting, is there any point trying the current one? |
| 11:57.39 | robin_sz | or is that 109mb of wasted bytes? |
| 11:57.53 | jethro | robin_sz: I d say yes since it's a moving target, check the changelog if any |
| 11:57.54 | directhex|work | every byte is sacred |
| 11:58.08 | robin_sz | 'k |
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| 11:58.47 | robin_sz | jethro: 15km in the direction of Chamonix or the other way? |
| 11:59.06 | jethro | you heard of veigy? |
| 11:59.15 | robin_sz | mmm, no. |
| 11:59.24 | jethro | it's on the road to thonon, I live right after this village at the border |
| 12:00.10 | robin_sz | 'k ... remoind me to wave next time I go to the office .. ;) |
| 12:00.25 | jethro | I sure will : ) |
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| 12:00.51 | scarynetworkguy | robin_sz: http://www.domsch.com/linux/ and http://www.debianplanet.org/node.php?id=875 |
| 12:01.08 | tarzeau | runa: no in GNUstep it's not an X thing |
| 12:01.30 | tarzeau | runa: in GNUstep it's a user setting, any user can have any setting the user wants |
| 12:01.40 | EpPiE | pingouin: sorry i cant make sense out of this site |
| 12:01.50 | sanxiyn | tarzeau: You can control antialiasing with fontconfig. |
| 12:02.00 | scarynetworkguy | robin_sz: The ISO that debianplanet story links to has just worked on every Dell server I've tried it on. |
| 12:02.07 | sanxiyn | man fonts.conf |
| 12:02.08 | webuser | hi ! Iwould like some help on sucessfull configuration on a wireless intel centrino 2100. Any hint hint would be preciated |
| 12:02.25 | jm_ | webuser: there's a page with drivers on sf.net |
| 12:02.36 | jethro | webuser: apt-get install either ipw2100-source or the precompiled modules |
| 12:02.37 | webuser | i'll check |
| 12:02.41 | jm_ | ipw2100.sf.net |
| 12:02.42 | runa | sanxiyn: it's funny that I don't have the word "antialias" nowhere in my fonts.conf |
| 12:02.48 | jm_ | or try #ipw2100 ;) |
| 12:02.54 | sanxiyn | runa: Well, you can add it. |
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| 12:03.11 | runa | sanxiyn: but I want to remove it :) |
| 12:03.14 | erlingre | I have just installed debian sarge, and wants to use both 2.6 and 2.4, is it any issues I should be aware of? (or can I just install 2.6 in addition to 2.4 with no problems) |
| 12:03.19 | webuser | i think i've already the driver |
| 12:03.25 | webuser | just can't set up essid |
| 12:03.28 | tarzeau | sanxiyn: i can control it with defaults in GNUstep |
| 12:03.30 | jethro | webuser: then get the vairous .fw files you need |
| 12:03.46 | jethro | webuser: make sure you have the appropriate options in your kernel (like hotplug and firmware loading) |
| 12:03.50 | tarzeau | sanxiyn: fontconfig doesn't affect GNUstep |
| 12:04.04 | tarzeau | sanxiyn: just like defoma doesn't support GNUstep yet |
| 12:04.18 | jethro | webuser: *.fw being the firmware files |
| 12:04.20 | robin_sz | scarynetworkguy: ok, looking |
| 12:04.53 | jethro | webuser: also make sure you don't have the kill swith on |
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| 12:05.21 | jethro | (I use Fn F2 on my laptop to enable/disable the ipw2200 wireless card) |
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| 12:05.45 | sanxiyn | erlingre: ??? |
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| 12:05.51 | Enflam3D_89 | hello |
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| 12:06.10 | Enflam3D_89 | is bebian good for servers? |
| 12:06.13 | Enflam3D_89 | *debian |
| 12:06.20 | sanxiyn | Enflam3D_89: Yes. |
| 12:06.23 | streuner | Enflam3D_89: yes |
| 12:06.27 | sanxiyn | (What do you expect in #debian?) |
| 12:06.36 | chealer | Enflam3D_89: yes |
| 12:06.38 | Rob_Sysman | My apt-get does not work at all.. |
| 12:06.43 | Enflam3D_89 | whoa |
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| 12:06.50 | Enflam3D_89 | thanks for the positive reply :D |
| 12:06.51 | runa | thanks |
| 12:06.54 | amahbod | hello all |
| 12:06.55 | Enflam3D_89 | is it better than slackware? |
| 12:06.56 | robin_sz | scarynetworkguy: it would seem unlikely to work, that .iso is from the PERC3 days, this is a nice shiny new Perc4 |
| 12:07.00 | erlingre | sanxiyn: what? (not at the same time ofcourse) I want to be able to boot both 2.4 and 2.6 |
| 12:07.03 | amahbod | having some problems with mplayer config |
| 12:07.10 | sanxiyn | erlingre: Ah, just install both. |
| 12:07.10 | sobersabre | i need help analysing if the hdisk is malfunctioning. |
| 12:07.14 | streuner | Enflam3D_89: take a look at debian.org who uses debian |
| 12:07.21 | sobersabre | how can i do this ? [no system on that disk] |
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| 12:07.24 | sanxiyn | erlingre: GRUB or LILO menu will be updated accordingly. |
| 12:07.29 | chealer | erlingre: there should be no major problems |
| 12:07.32 | scarynetworkguy | robin_sz: Check that other link. It should have links to updated drivers. |
| 12:07.33 | streuner | Enflam3D_89: /msg dpkg why debian |
| 12:07.39 | streuner | dpkg why debian |
| 12:07.39 | dpkg | http://www.debian.org/intro/why_debian or at http://snowcrash.tdyc.com/articles/imoore2.html or at http://www.linuxplanet.com/linuxplanet/reviews/2204/1/ or http://people.debian.org/~srivasta/talks/why_debian/ |
| 12:07.40 | Enflam3D_89 | streuner: i need some advice. for my server, should i use Debian stable, or Debian unstable/testing? |
| 12:07.48 | streuner | stable |
| 12:07.56 | Rob_Sysman | when I say apt-get install file.dep, I get this : "E: Cannot find file.dep"!! Please help! |
| 12:08.04 | jethro | !tell Enflam3D_89 about poll |
| 12:08.07 | Shadur | Rob_Sysman: There's a reason for that |
| 12:08.10 | erlingre | okay, thanks both of you, I'll try |
| 12:08.11 | Rob_Sysman | The file exists in that directory |
| 12:08.15 | amahbod | someone please help i "make"d a version of mplayer, but the list of available output drivers is VERY short |
| 12:08.18 | robin_sz | scarynetworkguy: yeah, been there before ... all the linux stuff on the other link has moved to linux.dell.com |
| 12:08.21 | Enflam3D_89 | streuner: ok thanks. and which would be better, 2.4 kernel, or 2.6? |
| 12:08.22 | chealer | Rob_Sysman: use dpkg, not apt-get for that |
| 12:08.27 | amahbod | wondering how i can add to it |
| 12:08.33 | Rob_Sysman | well, dpkg says dependency errors |
| 12:08.37 | jethro | Enflam3D_89: 2.0 |
| 12:08.37 | scarynetworkguy | robin_sz: Right. Which has updated drivers. Easy peasy. |
| 12:08.38 | robin_sz | scarynetworkguy: they link to some stuff, but its all woody rather than sarge |
| 12:08.40 | sanxiyn | amahbod: Read ./configure --help |
| 12:08.41 | directhex|work | amahbod, so make a better version. configure flags, i.e. --with-cool-thing --with-nice-stuff |
| 12:08.46 | Rob_Sysman | Shadur what reason were you saying? |
| 12:08.47 | streuner | Enflam3D_89: most people prefer still 2.2.x kernels |
| 12:08.47 | amahbod | lol |
| 12:08.49 | amahbod | cool |
| 12:08.52 | amahbod | ty guys |
| 12:08.57 | Rob_Sysman | ? |
| 12:09.07 | Enflam3D_89 | streuner: really?? I think it will be fine if i stick with the kernel that comes with it ;) |
| 12:09.13 | Shadur | Rob_Sysman: apt-get downloads and installs by *package* name, not file name. |
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| 12:09.18 | streuner | Enflam3D_89: they only upgrade to higher kernels if they *really* need it... |
| 12:09.19 | sobersabre | streuner, how have you come to this conclusion ? |
| 12:09.23 | Enflam3D_89 | streuner: even though i think i can easily compile kernels in debian |
| 12:09.28 | Rob_Sysman | huh? |
| 12:09.29 | Shadur | if you want to install a package you downloaded manually, you'll want to use dpkg |
| 12:09.34 | Rob_Sysman | really? |
| 12:09.40 | Rob_Sysman | well I know the name of the package - eciadsl |
| 12:09.44 | sobersabre | i mean 2.2.x [not 2.4 ? ] |
| 12:09.46 | sanxiyn | Shadowcat: And that's too bad. |
| 12:09.53 | streuner | Enflam3D_89: of course, you can use every kernel |
| 12:09.54 | sanxiyn | (meant to Shadur) |
| 12:10.07 | robin_sz | scarynetworkguy: easy peasy? ok, im confused ... the install runs OK, but first boot craps itself, failing to insmod the megaraid.o ... where and how to the updated drivers come into it? |
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| 12:10.16 | Enflam3D_89 | streuner: i looked into getting debian unstable/testing for general use (not server) and there were 15 iso's on the server. do i really need all 15? |
| 12:10.16 | sanxiyn | I think there's a bug report filed to APT to let it install single .deb directly. |
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| 12:10.19 | amahbod | what is the best video output driver for MPLAYER |
| 12:10.19 | Shadur | sanxiyn: What is? |
| 12:10.22 | Rob_Sysman | Shadur : I downloaded the basic debian minicd woody 3.0, I really need help installing some packages for this |
| 12:10.25 | amahbod | what do you people use |
| 12:10.30 | sanxiyn | Shadur: The fact that you need dpkg -i to install single .deb. |
| 12:10.39 | sanxiyn | Shadur: It's ugly. |
| 12:10.41 | amahbod | vesa? |
| 12:10.47 | streuner | Enflam3D_89: of course not, /msg dpkg d-i |
| 12:10.47 | EpPiE | pingouin: are you good in french? |
| 12:10.51 | scarynetworkguy | robin_sz: The installer asks you if you need to load drivers. Tell it yes and feed the driver to it. |
| 12:10.53 | sanxiyn | amahbod: X? |
| 12:10.55 | sobersabre | amahbod, it depends. |
| 12:10.58 | Rob_Sysman | Sanxiyn : dpkg for me says dependency error, can you help |
| 12:10.58 | amahbod | ? |
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| 12:11.00 | Enflam3D_89 | streuner: thank you, you have been very helpful so far :D |
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| 12:11.32 | sanxiyn | Rob_Sysman: Yes. After dpkg -i and error message, apt-get -f install. |
| 12:11.33 | Shadur | Rob_Sysman: And *that* is *WHY* people suggest you use apt-get to download and install packages. It'll take care of the dependencies. |
| 12:11.34 | Enflam3D_89 | streuner: oh, an installer, I see. how useful :D |
| 12:11.36 | sanxiyn | Rob_Sysman: That's why it's ugly. |
| 12:11.39 | Enflam3D_89 | streuner: and what about for stable? |
| 12:11.43 | robin_sz | scarynetworkguy: ah, ok, I'll try that. it seemed to think it could talk to the raid during install, it was just first boot that crapped itslef after the install finished |
| 12:11.50 | sanxiyn | Shadur: But there *are* cases when only single deb is provided. |
| 12:11.59 | streuner | Enflam3D_89: use netinstall then (/msg dpkg netinstall) |
| 12:12.01 | scarynetworkguy | *shrug* |
| 12:12.01 | sanxiyn | Shadur: And it's PITA to make repository by hand to use APT against it. |
| 12:12.05 | sanxiyn | Shadur: It is a BUG. |
| 12:12.11 | amahbod | thanks all |
| 12:12.13 | amahbod | im out! |
| 12:12.26 | Rob_Sysman | Sanxiyn : Its a big Joke, because the package im trying to install actually are the device drivers for my ADSL WAN Modem!!! |
| 12:12.38 | Rob_Sysman | Sanxiyn : I cant connect without them |
| 12:12.42 | sanxiyn | Rob_Sysman: And? |
| 12:12.56 | Enflam3D_89 | streuner: yeah thanks man, because I had no idea what CD's to get :) |
| 12:13.05 | sanxiyn | (-f option is to fix borken dependency) |
| 12:13.17 | Rob_Sysman | Sanxiyn : dont you need an internet connection to use -f |
| 12:13.17 | PerfDave | "ADSL WAN Modem"? |
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| 12:13.23 | EpPiE | does anyone here has experience with tv cards under debian? |
| 12:13.29 | jethro | !anyone |
| 12:13.29 | dpkg | ***anyone: No such nick/channel - and yes, there probably is someone, somewhere, who knows or runs it; that doesn't mean *I* do. |
| 12:13.31 | tarzeau | EpPiE: yes |
| 12:13.35 | directhex|work | EpPiE, a bit. plug in, just works. |
| 12:13.35 | Enflam3D_89 | streuner: is Debian Stable good for hosting a game server? |
| 12:13.38 | sanxiyn | Rob_Sysman: I don't understand what's going on. Don't you have all required files to install driver on local? |
| 12:13.48 | EpPiE | tarzeau: can you please help me with this one |
| 12:13.49 | sanxiyn | Rob_Sysman: If you don't, you're doomed, of course. |
| 12:13.52 | Rob_Sysman | Sanxiyn : Can I please PM you? |
| 12:13.58 | tarzeau | EpPiE: i can't read mine |
| 12:14.00 | tarzeau | mind |
| 12:14.06 | tarzeau | but mine just works |
| 12:14.06 | jethro | EpPiE: to me your problem is pebcak, it's been 2 hours since you first asked and you got *loads* of answers which were appropriate |
| 12:14.11 | EpPiE | directhex: not under debian i think |
| 12:14.11 | tarzeau | Enflam3D_89: what games? |
| 12:14.22 | Enflam3D_89 | tarzeau: Battlefield 1942 + CS |
| 12:14.36 | EpPiE | jethro: pebcak? |
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| 12:14.40 | sanxiyn | Enflam3D_89: As good as any, I guess. |
| 12:14.44 | EpPiE | jethro: what do you mean? |
| 12:14.46 | jethro | !tell EpPiE about pebcak |
| 12:14.47 | Enflam3D_89 | sanxiyn: thank you |
| 12:14.55 | Enflam3D_89 | i love apt :D:D |
| 12:14.57 | streuner | Enflam3D_89: it depends on the server itself, debian should work as OS very well |
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| 12:15.16 | EpPiE | jethro: what am i doing wrong then |
| 12:15.19 | Phated | !ops Jessica_21f spams on join. |
| 12:15.20 | dpkg | Hydroxide, bob2, caphuso, dondelelcaro, doogie, eeyore-, ElectricElf, greycat, helix, ljlane, LoRez, mentor, Netsnipe, TML, walters, xk: Jessica_21f spams on join. |
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| 12:15.35 | EpPiE | jethro: under another distri its just working but with debian it isnt |
| 12:15.52 | jethro | !not working |
| 12:15.52 | dpkg | Look buddy, doesn't work is an ambiguous statement. Does it sit on the couch all day? Does it want more money? Does it waste its time on IRC all day long? Please be specific! Define 'it' and what it isn't doing. |
| 12:15.54 | Enflam3D_89 | streuner: ok thanks. at the moment, I use Mepis (based on Debian testing/unstable) and I find it too easy to use, I'd rather try Debian, and I'd rather try unstable rather than stable, because I want to keep up-to-date, know what I mean? |
| 12:15.59 | tarzeau | EpPiE: yes it just works with debian too, here, for me |
| 12:16.11 | PerfDave | Enflam3D_89: Don't use unstable. use testing. |
| 12:16.16 | PerfDave | Enflam3D_89: Testing is up to date. |
| 12:16.19 | jethro | EpPiE: I ve been using a bttv for years on my debian tv box |
| 12:16.24 | Enflam3D_89 | PerfDave: yes, thats what I meant |
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| 12:16.38 | Enflam3D_89 | PerfDave: i always use the testing repositories |
| 12:16.58 | EpPiE | hmmm strange it is detected good by the bttv module but i get an blue screen in xawtv or tvtime |
| 12:17.20 | jethro | EpPiE: change the source |
| 12:17.28 | jethro | the video source |
| 12:17.34 | EpPiE | jethro: changed it same problem |
| 12:17.40 | jethro | plug something |
| 12:17.44 | tarzeau | EpPiE: lspci says what exactly do you have? |
| 12:17.50 | tarzeau | EpPiE: do you get the audio already? |
| 12:17.53 | tarzeau | EpPiE: scantv ? |
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| 12:18.31 | EpPiE | <PROTECTED> |
| 12:18.33 | sobersabre | EpPiE, maybe you don't have any available channels... maybe you need to plug a tv cable r something... and maybe the other side of the cable should also be connected to the cable device.... |
| 12:18.35 | EpPiE | says lspci |
| 12:18.51 | EpPiE | sobersabre: its working under windhoos |
| 12:19.16 | sobersabre | have you played with pal/secam/ntsc, channels ? |
| 12:19.18 | Enflam3D_89 | ok thanks for your help everyone, see you later :) |
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| 12:19.33 | EpPiE | sobersabre: yes changed this setting |
| 12:19.33 | EpPiE | s |
| 12:19.35 | jethro | EpPiE: Multimedia controller: Brooktree Corporation Bt878 Audio Capture (rev 11) I have the very same card working on my debian unstable box, and it's been so for like 3 years so it's not distro related but more pebcak issue as I suggested earlier |
| 12:19.41 | EpPiE | tarzeau: scantv E4 ( 62.25 MHz): no station |
| 12:19.41 | EpPiE | S01 ( 69.25 MHz): no station |
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| 12:19.49 | EpPiE | etcc |
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| 12:20.30 | EpPiE | jethro: yes i know but i cant find out what iam doing wrong |
| 12:20.34 | tarzeau | EpPiE: is the cable/antenna plugged to the tv card? |
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| 12:20.45 | EpPiE | tarzeau: yes it is |
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| 12:20.53 | sobersabre | EpPiE, what are the dev permissions ? |
| 12:21.01 | jethro | EpPiE: is the other end plugged to the plug on the wall? |
| 12:21.12 | EpPiE | crw-rw---- 1 root video 81, 0 Sep 18 13:53 /dev/video0 |
| 12:21.15 | EpPiE | jethro: hmmmm Yes |
| 12:21.22 | jethro | EpPiE: do you belong to the video group? |
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| 12:22.11 | sobersabre | jethro, i think he'd get "cannot open device" or something ... |
| 12:22.33 | jethro | sobersabre: never expect too much from users |
| 12:22.35 | EpPiE | jethro: yep |
| 12:22.51 | EpPiE | also tried it as root |
| 12:22.53 | basse_W | hi. every time I boot my debian testing, I seem to have a missing /media/cdrom0 directory. so I have to create it by hand. this doesn't happen on my sons debian testing.. any ideas why on mine? |
| 12:23.03 | EpPiE | jethro: :-) |
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| 12:23.27 | streuner | basse_W: dpkg -l udev |
| 12:23.31 | jethro | EpPiE: did you make sure you ahve all the mandatory kernel options/modules available? |
| 12:23.44 | basse_W | streuner: yes, udev is installed |
| 12:23.54 | jethro | EpPiE: you need a bunch, iirc |
| 12:24.01 | sobersabre | EpPiE, can u close the app, and rmmod all the drivers, then load them again ? what /var/log says ? |
| 12:24.07 | streuner | basse_W: apt-get remove udev |
| 12:24.16 | EpPiE | jethro: who do i check that? |
| 12:24.21 | EpPiE | jethro: how |
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| 12:24.52 | jethro | EpPiE: yoou look for bttv related file in $KERNELTREE/Documentation/ |
| 12:25.02 | jethro | EpPiE: that's one of the 1st thing you should have done |
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| 12:25.31 | basse_W | streuner: why? |
| 12:25.53 | streuner | basse_W: less headaches |
| 12:25.53 | EpPiE | jethro: doesnt debian do this thing automatically by the installation of it |
| 12:25.53 | basse_W | streuner: so that's the only fix? huh |
| 12:26.07 | streuner | basse_W: it works for me :-) |
| 12:26.18 | jethro | EpPiE: either you use a debian kernel, and it does, or you have a custom kernel and you have to dod it |
| 12:26.23 | basse_W | streuner: there must have been reason why I have it installed tho.. :) |
| 12:26.28 | streuner | basse_W: if you need that crap just RTFM |
| 12:26.39 | EpPiE | jethro: used the installation kernel debian |
| 12:26.40 | jethro | EpPiE: note that I m not sure of the first part (about the debian kerenels) since I never used any |
| 12:26.40 | EpPiE | it is |
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| 12:27.22 | EpPiE | jethro: can i check this settings now when iam having an debian kernel? |
| 12:28.30 | jethro | EpPiE: yes, read the file I mentionned, and check /boot/config-<version> |
| 12:28.39 | basse_W | streuner: hmm.. yes yes.. just kind of strange .. why udev was installed if it's not really needed |
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| 12:29.19 | jethro | basse_W: because it's now a default setting in sarge, file a bug if you don't like that |
| 12:29.21 | EpPiE | jethro: KERNELTREE i dont have by an basic install |
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| 12:29.45 | jethro | EpPiE: google for the file there must be online trees on the internet isn't it? |
| 12:30.54 | EpPiE | jethro: ok i will check it |
| 12:31.24 | jethro | You'll need at least these config options for bttv: CONFIG_I2C=m CONFIG_I2C_ALGOBIT=m CONFIG_VIDEO_DEV=m |
| 12:31.30 | basse_W | i think the udev was installed when I got my digital camera, and set up hotplug. |
| 12:31.40 | basse_W | so if I remoev that now, my cam stops working |
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| 12:31.46 | jethro | EpPiE: quoting Documentation/bttv/README |
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| 12:32.10 | looksaus | is there an easy way to import a lot of user/pass combinations from a text file? |
| 12:32.17 | ciga | how do I print an array with awk? |
| 12:32.22 | jethro | import to what? |
| 12:32.25 | looksaus | (system account) |
| 12:32.30 | EpPiE | jethro: but when i load the modules im not getting an error in /var/log/messages doesnt this say the kernel is configured good |
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| 12:33.53 | jethro | EpPiE: good luck |
| 12:33.57 | Phated | looksaus: Copy/paste? |
| 12:34.28 | EpPiE | jethro: how do you mean goodluck ? |
| 12:34.46 | jethro | EpPiE: I mean you bored me |
| 12:34.50 | sanxiyn | EpPiE: jethro is wishing you a good luck. |
| 12:34.58 | EpPiE | jethro: ok thanx |
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| 12:35.06 | teknotus | looksaus: I've heard of people writing a perl script to covert over 5000 account to/from unix/window in a few minutes. There are perl moduals for doing that sort of thing. |
| 12:35.11 | jethro | EpPiE: I have to thank you for being bored now :) |
| 12:35.20 | looksaus | teknotus, urls maybe? |
| 12:35.27 | EpPiE | jethro: sorry |
| 12:35.31 | jethro | !fgi |
| 12:35.31 | dpkg | fgi is probably http://www.fuckinggoogleit.com/, and see http://www.moule.org/images/bart.jpg |
| 12:35.37 | jethro | looksaus: is that a nice url? |
| 12:35.42 | teknotus | looksaus url's to how to do it? |
| 12:35.52 | sanxiyn | jethro: Indeed! |
| 12:36.28 | jethro | :p |
| 12:36.32 | EpPiE | jethro: i did googled a couple of houres |
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| 12:36.38 | jethro | EpPiE: I couldn't care less |
| 12:36.45 | jethro | EpPiE: that wasn't meant to you |
| 12:36.48 | robin_sz | scarynetworkguy: are you *sure* the installer asks if you want to load extra drivers? |
| 12:37.00 | looksaus | jethro, please troll in another channel, thank you |
| 12:37.14 | basse_W | well thanks for the tips. I'm sure I can figure this out now when I know where is comes :) |
| 12:37.16 | scarynetworkguy | robin_sz: Pretty sure. |
| 12:37.29 | jethro | looksaus: please get clues on non debian related problems using a search engine and brain cells ty |
| 12:37.30 | gothtec | ... |
| 12:37.34 | robin_sz | scarynetworkguy: umm, doesnt seem to ... |
| 12:37.42 | EpPiE | jethro: after a couple of houres google i thought lets ask the question in this channel its not so thats the first thing i do! |
| 12:37.57 | jethro | EpPiE: I didn't tell *you* to google, I told looksaus |
| 12:38.21 | Guerin | !nickometer EpPiE |
| 12:38.21 | dpkg | 'EpPiE' is 98.410% lame, guerin |
| 12:38.26 | jethro | heya Guerin |
| 12:38.27 | Guerin | !botsnack |
| 12:38.28 | dpkg | Guerin: :) |
| 12:38.28 | looksaus | jethro, I would have accepted the answer "please google for it" |
| 12:38.38 | Guerin | jethro: howdy pard |
| 12:38.55 | looksaus | not fuckinggoogleit |
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| 12:39.07 | jethro | Guerin: bored :/ I shoudln't stay on #debian too much it's not good for my mood, makes me feel like larting everyone |
| 12:39.09 | Guerin | looksaus: /msg dpkg wgaf |
| 12:39.15 | jethro | looksaus: you deserve such answers |
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| 12:39.29 | Guerin | jethro: heh, I'm like that all the time |
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| 12:39.32 | jethro | :) |
| 12:39.33 | Guerin | oh, and speak of the devil |
| 12:39.38 | Guerin | !lart WiFiTux |
| 12:39.41 | jethro | heh |
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| 12:39.51 | Guerin | jethro: I'm into my last 36 hours in KOrea |
| 12:40.00 | scarynetworkguy | looksaus: Demand your money back and complain at jethro's supervisor. |
| 12:40.07 | scarynetworkguy | Oh wait. |
| 12:40.18 | looksaus | scarynetworkguy, hey, I'm thankful for any advice I got |
| 12:40.22 | sanxiyn | Guerin: Oh, I hope you enjoyed your stay in Korea blah blah. |
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| 12:40.30 | looksaus | I don't expect any free help here |
| 12:40.36 | jethro | Guerin: tty after my lunch time :) |
| 12:40.45 | Guerin | sanxiyn: heh, I'm coming back in three weeks. |
| 12:40.48 | looksaus | but I don't expect to be yelled at for asking an on-topic question either |
| 12:40.57 | jethro | looksaus: I charge 500$ a tip |
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| 12:41.04 | Guerin | oir part thereof |
| 12:41.13 | looksaus | jethro, I don't need any help from people who yell at me |
| 12:41.23 | looksaus | and I've given you far too much attention already |
| 12:41.47 | Guerin | actually, you seem to need all the help you can get |
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| 12:44.26 | Skiver | can i boot with debian sarge netinst disc and reinstall my grub ? |
| 12:44.32 | Guerin | Skiver: yes |
| 12:44.48 | Skiver | Guerin : can you please tell me how ? |
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| 12:46.43 | Guerin | Skiver: boot; swap to a shell with alt-f2; mount your root and boot and proc; chroot to your root; grub-install /dev/hda ; update-grub # from memory |
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| 12:48.48 | sanxiyn | Guerin: It's update-grub first and grub-install later. |
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| 12:49.01 | Skiver | Guerin : i have only one partition for / , |
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| 12:49.13 | sanxiyn | Skiver: Doesn't matter |
| 12:49.24 | WizeGuy | heya guys. Is there any way to add a user, but not letting that user change his own password? |
| 12:50.18 | Phated | Don't tell him about passwd? |
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| 12:50.27 | Guerin | sanxiyn: shouldn't be |
| 12:50.28 | Blitx | is there no copy command? |
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| 12:50.48 | Phated | cp? |
| 12:51.05 | Guerin | sanxiyn: since if grub is not installed, there ain't much to update |
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| 12:51.36 | teknotus | looksaus seems to have left just when I managed to find an answer for them. I dug out my perl book. getpwent(), and setpwent() seem quit useful for the task. |
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| 12:52.41 | sanxiyn | Guerin: I must have confused something :( |
| 12:53.03 | Skiver | Guerin : what about LILO ? |
| 12:53.48 | Guerin | Skiver: just edit lilo.conf and then run lilo; |
| 12:53.53 | xcyborg | from a sh script what is the easy way to check if a package is installed or not ? |
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| 12:54.13 | xcyborg | dpkg -s pkg returns 0 even if the package was removed |
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| 12:54.14 | dpkg | There is no record of a pkg returns 0 even if the package was removed package |
| 12:54.37 | PerfDave | xcyborg: see if "dpkg -l $PACKAGE | grep ^i" generates output? |
| 12:54.49 | Guerin | xcyborg: COLUMNS=120 dpkg -l |
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| 12:55.22 | xcyborg | PerfDave: eh, I was thinking if there was another way beside parsing the dpkg output |
| 12:55.26 | sanxiyn | Guerin: From sh script. |
| 12:55.39 | xcyborg | but if there isn't.. then.. parsing is good too |
| 12:55.41 | sanxiyn | Guerin: (i.e. exit status) |
| 12:55.41 | Guerin | fucking stupid windows |
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| 12:55.52 | PerfDave | xcyborg: No idea. Does dpkg -l return differently whether a package is installed or not? |
| 12:55.55 | nome | hi |
| 12:55.59 | Guerin | sorry, got stuck instickykeys mode |
| 12:56.04 | Guerin | yeah, it does |
| 12:56.20 | nome | it seems sun-j2sdk1.5debian doesn't exist anymore in apt |
| 12:56.25 | nome | is it possible? |
| 12:56.29 | Guerin | xcyborg: COLUMNS=120 dpkg -l | awk if $1 = ii and $2 = packageyouwant; |
| 12:56.30 | xcyborg | PerfDave: nope, egrep ^i seems to be the way |
| 12:56.41 | sanxiyn | oops it does... |
| 12:56.46 | Guerin | yeah, grep works too |
| 12:56.52 | Guerin | ok |
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| 12:57.18 | sanxiyn | dpkg -l returns 0 if installed, 1 otherwise. It seems. |
| 12:57.19 | dpkg | ii returns 0 if installed, 1 otherwise. It seems. 2.9-5 sanxiyn's private porn collection |
| 12:57.22 | sanxiyn | But can't find documentation. |
| 12:57.32 | sanxiyn | (So no grep etc needed) |
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| 12:57.59 | xcyborg | sanso: yes, but if the package was installed and then _removed_ dpkg -l returns 0, too |
| 12:58.05 | orjan | how do i search for files named *.py? |
| 12:58.07 | xcyborg | sanxiyn: |
| 12:58.07 | sanxiyn | oh |
| 12:58.10 | nome | could someone tell me if sun-j2sdk1.5debian is still in apt? |
| 12:58.13 | Guerin | ah, true |
| 12:58.15 | sanxiyn | orjan: locate *.py |
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| 12:58.18 | PerfDave | orjan: man find |
| 12:58.28 | orjan | ok, thx |
| 12:58.45 | sanxiyn | nome: It's no more. You don't need it. |
| 12:58.48 | sanxiyn | nome: It's gone for good. |
| 12:59.20 | sanxiyn | nome: java-package no more generates dependency to sun-j2sdk*debian, but includes related packaging itself. |
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| 12:59.28 | nome | but with make-jpkg |
| 12:59.35 | sanxiyn | Use java-package :-) |
| 12:59.43 | nome | ahh ok i should upgrade java-package |
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| 13:00.53 | orjan | can i use apt-get to install emacs? |
| 13:01.03 | sanxiyn | orjan: Yes |
| 13:01.05 | jm_ | orjan: you have my permission |
| 13:01.10 | nome | :D |
| 13:01.13 | orjan | :) |
| 13:01.32 | orjan | "apt-get install emacs" doesn't seem to work |
| 13:02.03 | nome | try apt-cache search emacs |
| 13:02.09 | sanxiyn | Try emacs21. |
| 13:02.23 | PerfDave | sanxiyn: Or just don't use java, it's easier ;) |
| 13:02.23 | sanxiyn | nome: search will show too many packages... |
| 13:02.26 | JoaoMarcus | Try apt-get install vim |
| 13:02.29 | sanxiyn | PerfDave: Huh? |
| 13:02.31 | Skiver | thanks guerin |
| 13:02.40 | PerfDave | sanxiyn: Rather than using java-package |
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| 13:02.44 | nome | but most related to emacs21 .. :P |
| 13:03.04 | orjan | vim sux, i prefer emacs |
| 13:03.13 | JoaoMarcus | Just kidding :P |
| 13:03.14 | resiak | !start an editor war |
| 13:03.14 | dpkg | zile users are clueballs |
| 13:03.38 | sanxiyn | PerfDave: Well, I like Java. |
| 13:03.53 | orjan | so apt-get emacs21 should work? |
| 13:04.01 | JoaoMarcus | yes |
| 13:04.05 | PerfDave | sanxiyn: Freak ;p |
| 13:04.08 | orjan | `thx |
| 13:04.12 | nome | PerfDave: for some webpages you need it |
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| 13:04.51 | orjan | is 21 in emacs21 the version number? |
| 13:04.57 | sanxiyn | Yes. |
| 13:05.13 | sanxiyn | (It's not 2.1. It's 21.) |
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| 13:05.21 | alex__ | 'lo |
| 13:05.37 | alex__ | is anyone running an epia m10k with one of the recent 2.6 kernels ? |
| 13:05.41 | orjan | ok, and thats the latest ver? |
| 13:06.08 | alex__ | there's an -epia10 patchset avail for 2.6.7, but the sources for that aren't in the sid repository anymore |
| 13:06.11 | sanxiyn | orjan: Yes. |
| 13:06.22 | Skiver | why is my alsa modules won't load during boot |
| 13:06.33 | Skiver | can i add it in /etc/modules ? |
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| 13:07.22 | sanxiyn | Skiver: Oh, alex revoked it. You can't. |
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| 13:08.12 | Skiver | ? |
| 13:08.36 | Skiver | and is there a rc.local exist ? |
| 13:08.37 | alex__ | let's rephrase that question... is there an easy way to get a source deb of 2.6.7 ? |
| 13:09.11 | drac | alex__: packages.debian.org perhaps? |
| 13:09.12 | directhex|work | alex__, snapshot.debian.net |
| 13:09.34 | runa | hey :) how do I do to open links in thunderbird emails into firefox? (it doesn't appear to use x-www-browser alternative) |
| 13:09.35 | alex__ | drac: search couldn't come up with that - tried already |
| 13:09.47 | alex__ | directhex: sec gonna check |
| 13:10.13 | PerfDave | nome: Nah, you don't need to visit webpages that require Java ;) |
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| 13:10.43 | sanxiyn | runa: dpkg-reconfigure mozilla-thunderbird |
| 13:11.04 | sanxiyn | runa: Choose "Debian" for preferred way of browser integration. (Or "GNOME" if you prefer) |
| 13:11.28 | nome | PerfDave: i need java becouse i want to tell in a chat of a radio that they should permit also to linux user to listen "on air" |
| 13:11.31 | nome | :P |
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| 13:12.09 | PerfDave | nome: *shrug* I'm not going to install Java because of its odious licensing. I'm sure your radio station has e-mail ;) |
| 13:12.24 | sanxiyn | PerfDave: Java is love. Install kaffe. |
| 13:12.41 | PerfDave | sanxiyn: Java is love? What crack are you smoking? |
| 13:12.46 | runa | sanxiyn: dpkg-reconfigure -plow mozilla-thunderbird didn't asked anything |
| 13:12.57 | sanxiyn | runa: Hm. Perhaps version thing. |
| 13:13.09 | PerfDave | sanxiyn: I've considered looking at the GNU java stuff to play with the language, but it's useless for anything other than minor playing. |
| 13:13.18 | orjan | i'm planning on getting an old school laptop running debian. what's the sysmtem requirements? |
| 13:13.19 | sanxiyn | runa: Sid version asks browser integration. |
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| 13:13.28 | runa | sanxiyn: Im using sarge |
| 13:13.33 | PerfDave | orjan: The system requirements are in the Installation Manual. |
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| 13:13.34 | sanxiyn | runa: You can edit /etc/mozilla-thunderbird/global-config.js by hand. |
| 13:13.40 | runa | sanxiyn: danke |
| 13:13.43 | sanxiyn | PerfDave: Huh? |
| 13:13.50 | sanxiyn | PerfDave: GNU java useless? What crack are you smoking? |
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| 13:13.53 | nome | PerfDave: to access mail i need java .... |
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| 13:14.33 | alex__ | herbi has a state of the art machine |
| 13:14.41 | orjan | ok, thnx PerfDave |
| 13:14.44 | teknotus | sanxiyn: does GNU java even have a browser plugin yet? |
| 13:14.47 | sanxiyn | PerfDave: Running Tomcat or Eclipse isn't useless, or for numerous other stuffs. |
| 13:14.56 | sanxiyn | teknotus: Yes it has, but lacks Security Manager, sorry. |
| 13:15.01 | PerfDave | sanxiyn: Last I checked, you can't run Eclipse with Free java implementations. |
| 13:15.06 | sanxiyn | PerfDave: Now you can. |
| 13:15.13 | jethro | Guerin: where you moving to now? some other asian country not yet ruined by the tsunami? |
| 13:15.20 | PerfDave | sanxiyn: Then that's changed in the last couple of months. |
| 13:15.32 | luite | is there a free java implementation that can run 1.5 classes? |
| 13:15.35 | sanxiyn | PerfDave: True, but it could run 2.1 for longer than that. |
| 13:15.36 | robin_sz | sigh, now this dell wont even power on! |
| 13:15.37 | PerfDave | sanxiyn: I might look into that then, having to use non-Free software was putting me off using Eclipse. |
| 13:15.57 | sanxiyn | PerfDave: Eclipse 3.0 packaging for Debian is on the way, it is rumored. |
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| 13:16.14 | robin_sz | why would a nice new poweredge just wann sit there in 'sleep' mode huh? |
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| 13:16.24 | Tonik | After I upgraded some packages a week ago, nautilus and other apps don't remember their position on the screen any more; they all start in the upper-left corner. Any ideas/tips? |
| 13:16.35 | sanxiyn | luite: Not yet, I think. |
| 13:16.38 | resiak | robin_sz: Kicking it won't help. It's probably subconsciously protecting itself from you :) |
| 13:16.54 | sanxiyn | luite: There are works going on generics and annotation though. |
| 13:17.03 | PerfDave | If I were a Dell server, I'd spend as much time unconscious as possible ;) |
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| 13:17.12 | robin_sz | bah |
| 13:17.16 | sanxiyn | luite: Ah, Eclipse JavaC (ejc) understand Java 1.5. |
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| 13:17.22 | sanxiyn | (And it's a free software) |
| 13:17.26 | teknotus | sanxiyn: have any GNU java plugin's made it into debian yet? |
| 13:17.43 | sanxiyn | teknotus: apt-cache show gcjwebplugin |
| 13:17.58 | sanxiyn | teknotus: Don't expect much though. There's free Java Web Start impl too. |
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| 13:18.10 | luite | sanxiyn: but that's only a compiler, right? so I'd still need sun's jvm to run them? |
| 13:18.39 | sanxiyn | luite: I guess so, for now. |
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| 13:18.59 | nazgool | hi |
| 13:19.04 | sanxiyn | In some way, Eclipse is bootstrapping. |
| 13:19.06 | alex__ | hi |
| 13:19.15 | sanxiyn | (Since it includes compiler, and itself can be compiled using it.) |
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| 13:20.27 | nome | resiak: PerfDave i can send mail in the same way i can chat |
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| 13:20.37 | nazgool | i have a script here that i'd like to see executed at every system boot. i tried putting it in /etc/rc.boot but that doesn't seem to work. wherefrom do i launch it? |
| 13:20.57 | PerfDave | nome: There are lots of mail programs which aren't written in Java, and lots of chat clients too :) |
| 13:21.00 | petemc | nazgool: /etc/rc.boot/ is deprecated, but still works for me |
| 13:21.19 | nazgool | petemc: if it's deprecated, what's the new way? |
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| 13:21.30 | nome | PerfDave: i know but i can't see any addresses |
| 13:21.42 | petemc | nazgool: /etc/init.d/ and symlinks to /etc/rc*.d/ |
| 13:21.45 | PerfDave | nome: Try opening your eyes ;) |
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| 13:21.51 | nome | also from source ... just jscripts calling something else |
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| 13:22.13 | sanxiyn | nome: ??? |
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| 13:22.20 | resiak | nome: What are you on about? I've _never_ seen a Java email program in my whole entire life. |
| 13:22.25 | petemc | nazgool: i call my scripts in rc.boot "0local" or similar |
| 13:22.33 | resiak | nome: So it stands to reason that you could find a non-Java one. |
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| 13:22.47 | nome | wait |
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| 13:23.01 | nazgool | petemc: ok thx |
| 13:23.39 | nazgool | petemc: i didn't put a number in front of the name of my script in /etc/rc.boot. could this be the reason why it didn't work here |
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| 13:24.00 | pestil3nce | sweeet, hotplug is really nice... i wondered where my eth0 device went, so i checked on the computer, it had fallen off. i just plugged it in and got new ip ;) sweet. period |
| 13:24.12 | petemc | nazgool: could be, like i said, it works for me, but its been deprecated for years |
| 13:24.24 | greycat | what reads /etc/rc.boot? I don't see a reference to it in inittab... |
| 13:24.42 | petemc | no idea |
| 13:24.53 | jm_ | rcS |
| 13:24.55 | greycat | ah, it's in /etc/init.d/rcS |
| 13:24.58 | greycat | /etc/init.d/rcS:[ -d /etc/rc.boot ] && run-parts /etc/rc.boot |
| 13:25.13 | greycat | please read "man run-parts" for a list of the name restrictions. They're quite severe. |
| 13:25.29 | jm_ | it's there as a compatibility thing, not sure which release dropped it |
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| 13:25.44 | lnx | hi |
| 13:25.46 | greycat | that grep result is from my woody server |
| 13:26.05 | sanxiyn | greycat: /etc/rcS has comments above rc.boot thing. |
| 13:26.06 | jm_ | I think it may have been the same in potato |
| 13:26.11 | nome | resiak: javascript: sendmail('administration'), |
| 13:26.15 | greycat | ls: /etc/rcS: No such file or directory |
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| 13:26.27 | resiak | nome: You what now? |
| 13:26.28 | sanxiyn | greycat: ah, /etc/init.d/rcS |
| 13:26.32 | greycat | and comments don't count. |
| 13:26.41 | nome | resiak: i can't see the real address |
| 13:26.42 | greycat | "Never debug comments. Debug only code." |
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| 13:27.00 | nome | resiak: nothing i don't care in real ... i know what to do |
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| 13:27.06 | jm_ | hehe |
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| 13:27.16 | resiak | nome: That's not Java. |
| 13:27.53 | nome | but i don't like the windows pushing up so i prefore to use chat |
| 13:28.00 | teknotus | sanxiym: is there a good reason to not install that web plugin? galeon doesn't seem to let me pick which plugin it uses if more than one support the same format. |
| 13:29.02 | sanxiyn | teknotus: Yes, good reasons. It won't work in many cases. |
| 13:29.02 | resiak | nome: Again, you what now? Never mind, I'll just go listen to some loud music. |
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| 13:29.17 | sanxiyn | teknotus: (also it lacks security manager, as I said before) |
| 13:29.37 | orjan | how fast do you think my laptop has to be to surf the web using debian and maybe firefox? |
| 13:29.40 | sanxiyn | But perhaps there aren't many Java applets trying to do restricted things anyway. |
| 13:29.46 | greycat | orjan: 33 MHz |
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| 13:30.02 | sanxiyn | teknotus: If you're on non-x86, it is one possible alternative. |
| 13:30.15 | sanxiyn | teknotus: If not, it's not worth the trouble, IMO. |
| 13:30.16 | WorkerII | I am using udev and discover .. I want to use my ide-cdrom drive |
| 13:30.29 | WorkerII | There is no /dev/hdc or simular, though. |
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| 13:30.53 | WorkerII | Whats the way to do it? (cd /dev ; ./MAKEDEV /dev/hdc ) ? |
| 13:31.06 | greycat | Sad. Pathetic and sad. And pitiful. Pitiful and pathetic and sad. |
| 13:31.08 | teknotus | sanxiyn: do you think it will be worth the trouble once a security manager is written for it? |
| 13:31.09 | orjan | greycat: are kiddin me? is 33 mhz really enough? |
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| 13:31.26 | cycom | + |
| 13:31.26 | sanxiyn | teknotus: Eh, no. |
| 13:31.27 | orjan | im planning on getting about 100 mhz pentium |
| 13:31.33 | greycat | orjan: why the hell would the CPU speed make a SINGLE BIT of difference to whether something is POSSIBLE or NOT POSSIBLE? It would only make it FASTER or SLOWER. |
| 13:31.37 | sanxiyn | teknotus: If you're curious, you can try it :-) |
| 13:31.44 | nome | resiak: i don't really understand what you mean ... |
| 13:31.53 | sanxiyn | It's not like you can't remove gcjwebplugin package any time. |
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| 13:32.25 | sanxiyn | (Name is misleading. It works with any Classpath-derived JVMs, not only GCJ.) |
| 13:32.33 | WorkerII | There is no mention of CDROM in the docs that is obviously helpfull. |
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| 13:32.57 | zOap | greycat, Why did you bother me for a away message? |
| 13:33.10 | WorkerII | !tell zOap about root |
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| 13:33.35 | orjan | greycat: i get your point. buit i don't just want it to work. I want it to be useful! |
| 13:33.46 | orjan | usable even |
| 13:33.58 | WorkerII | oh .. I found out. |
| 13:34.05 | WorkerII | You have to manually load ide-cd |
| 13:34.09 | zOap | WorkerII, I dont log on as root.. What?? |
| 13:34.13 | WorkerII | (which seems non-obvious). |
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| 13:34.20 | WorkerII | zOap : You shouldn't. |
| 13:34.20 | greycat | orjan: then it depends on your personal threshold of pain. |
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| 13:34.44 | zOap | WorkerII, I know.. *confused* here.... |
| 13:34.55 | greycat | orjan: some people will find Firefox/Mozilla useful on a 100 MHz box, but many people won't. It's not something I can predict. |
| 13:35.08 | jethro | WorkerII: you can advice people not to log as root when the *do* |
| 13:35.09 | greycat | !tell zOap about away |
| 13:35.30 | sanxiyn | (swf-player provides Mozilla Flash plugin, free software.) |
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| 13:35.49 | orjan | greycat: ok. guess i have to try it out |
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| 13:36.04 | zOap | greaycat, got it.. but you could just tell me you know.. Iwasnt rude or anything.. |
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| 13:36.15 | greycat | orjan: if you find mozilla/firefox to be too slow on that hardware, you might try Opera (non-free, ad-supported), Dillo, links, etc. |
| 13:36.16 | sergio | joç |
| 13:36.22 | resiak | nome: From that snippet of page you pasted me, your email page is Javascript, not Java: the two are utterly unrelated. |
| 13:36.33 | directhex|work | okay, erm... how can i convince X to re-grab the mouse pointer that's been stolen by another app? qemu crashed on me (again again), whilst i was using it, so my mouse is a bit stuck |
| 13:36.39 | greycat | zOap: on the contrary. I found "Hey, look at me, look at me, look at me" quite rude. |
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| 13:36.46 | orjan | I guess console stuff works perfectly on 100 mhz at least |
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| 13:37.09 | greycat | watching The Matrix in aalib on console on 100 MHz might not be "perfect".... |
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| 13:37.20 | colde89 | an welchen port klopft den ping an? |
| 13:37.21 | sanxiyn | greycat: Hehe |
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| 13:37.31 | sanxiyn | aalib evil |
| 13:37.33 | directhex|work | greycat, you never saw the trailer converted to aalib which did the rounds back in '99? |
| 13:37.36 | zOap | greycat, ok, it was a joke in another channel.. didnt think any other saw that.. but hey, i got it.. I swear never to do it again:O) |
| 13:37.38 | greycat | cracking DES keys on the console at 100 MHz might not go quite as fast as your neighbor's AMD64 box. |
| 13:37.41 | orjan | greycat: the matrix in aalib? |
| 13:37.43 | colde89 | sorry wrong chat .. |
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| 13:38.26 | Phated | greycat: It actually looks pretty good. :) |
| 13:38.45 | directhex|work | Phated, give me back my mouse pointer :( |
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| 13:38.54 | Phated | directhex|work: ? |
| 13:39.00 | resiak | directhex|work: Fire up another qemu? |
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| 13:39.42 | runa | ?? mplayer |
| 13:39.48 | resiak | runa: ?? whataboutit |
| 13:39.59 | greycat | runa: wrong bot syntax. |
| 13:40.01 | resiak | !tell runa about mplayer |
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| 13:41.08 | jethro | is resiak a bot as well? |
| 13:41.13 | resiak | !resiak |
| 13:41.14 | dpkg | somebody said resiak was a bot |
| 13:41.23 | greycat | resiak: status |
| 13:41.32 | JennWong | hi all |
| 13:41.33 | resiak | ENOCAFFEINE. |
| 13:41.40 | jethro | heh |
| 13:41.50 | greycat | ssh resiak apt-get install caffeine |
| 13:41.59 | jethro | greycat: that's with a K |
| 13:42.00 | JennWong | can any1 help me? |
| 13:42.07 | greycat | no. |
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| 13:42.18 | Phated | NO@! |
| 13:42.25 | Phated | NO! |
| 13:42.39 | resiak | Phated: Yes, it's true, my dear. I'm sorry... |
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| 13:42.48 | JennWong | how can i get my ip ? |
| 13:42.48 | resiak | JennWong: Ask a question. |
| 13:42.55 | jethro | JennWong: man ifconfig |
| 13:42.55 | greycat | JennWong: ifconfig -a |
| 13:42.56 | PerfDave | Cutting down your caffeine intake is seriously good for you. |
| 13:43.10 | resiak | PerfDave: I was on four hench mugs of tea per day, at lesat. |
| 13:43.11 | PerfDave | Plus you go crazy apeshit after a mug or two of strong coffee if you've not had any for weeks ;) |
| 13:43.11 | Doc- | PerfDave: HERETIC! |
| 13:43.18 | JennWong | thanks |
| 13:43.28 | JennWong | i got 127.0.0.0 |
| 13:43.34 | greycat | doubtful. |
| 13:43.48 | JoaoMarcus | ifup? |
| 13:43.51 | JennWong | how do i refresh it? |
| 13:43.54 | PerfDave | Doc-: *shrug* My mum had kidney trouble caused by too much caffeine over a prolonged period. |
| 13:44.10 | greycat | JennWong: fix your /etc/network/interfaces file. It's obviously WACKED. |
| 13:44.26 | greycat | 127.0.0.0 isn't even the right address for *loopback* let alone a real ethernet IF. |
| 13:44.45 | maelcum | PerfDave: i got that too too much smoking and coffee now i drink tee :) |
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| 13:44.57 | JennWong | i dont know |
| 13:45.02 | JennWong | b4 it worked |
| 13:45.13 | Doc- | Hmm... |
| 13:45.15 | JennWong | and then i forwarded my router.. |
| 13:45.21 | maelcum | PerfDave: have to test jasmine out :) |
| 13:45.22 | JennWong | now it doesnt work |
| 13:45.22 | PerfDave | I also gave up smoking ;) |
| 13:45.26 | Doc- | it gives the digestion a kick :) |
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| 13:46.10 | greycat | !tell JennWong about man interfaces |
| 13:46.26 | Phated | resiak: <sniff> |
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| 13:46.45 | resiak | Phated: I'm sorry... I might take it up again at some point. It's mainly an experiment. |
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| 13:47.00 | JennWong | file for ifup (8) |
| 13:47.03 | PerfDave | Fennel tea is surprisingly nice. Neem tea just mings. |
| 13:47.04 | Phated | resiak: It's OK, really. I don't really care. :) |
| 13:47.10 | JennWong | ifdown ()8 |
| 13:47.14 | JennWong | is that good? |
| 13:47.22 | maelcum | PerfDave: i'm a rasta - will not be easy to quit smoking :) |
| 13:47.30 | greycat | JennWong: it's a bleedin' COMMENT!! |
| 13:47.35 | greycat | JennWong: read what the bot said. |
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| 13:47.47 | PerfDave | maelcum: Well, I gave up smoking tobacco... |
| 13:48.12 | jethro | rastas are homophobic & racist pot smokers |
| 13:48.25 | petemc | whats wrong with being a pot smoker? |
| 13:48.28 | jethro | and extremists as well |
| 13:48.29 | jethro | nothing |
| 13:48.40 | jethro | what's wrong is being an homophobic/racist/extremist one |
| 13:48.51 | petemc | seems pointless to mention it then :) |
| 13:49.15 | jethro | but many people call themselves rastas without knowing what they really are |
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| 13:49.22 | Noid | so it is fine to be an homophobic/racist/extremist non pot smoker? d-: |
| 13:49.37 | jethro | !lart Noid |
| 13:49.37 | JennWong | greycat, thanks |
| 13:49.48 | Noid | hehe |
| 13:49.57 | pif | the worst is being a PC pot smoker |
| 13:50.09 | jethro | no |
| 13:50.16 | jethro | th e worst thing is to run out of weed |
| 13:50.18 | jethro | :[ |
| 13:50.25 | PerfDave | pif: Yes, the random drug testing for Police Constables will soon get you into trouble ;) |
| 13:50.28 | JennWong | which1 is bot? |
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| 13:50.58 | greycat | !bot |
| 13:50.59 | dpkg | I ain't no stinkin' bot. I am a finely tuned and hand crafted tool. Oh wait... I guess I am a bot (that you should not abuse). |
| 13:51.17 | Doc- | Silly bot... |
| 13:51.23 | pif | you must be a black gay jew pot smocker |
| 13:51.31 | mooded | hmmm |
| 13:51.39 | greycat | pif: you forgot atheist |
| 13:51.46 | jethro | greycat: point |
| 13:51.48 | greycat | atheist jew. |
| 13:51.59 | jethro | doesnt sound like it can go together |
| 13:52.07 | pif | core dumped |
| 13:52.09 | greycat | neither does black jew, but hey. |
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| 13:52.13 | Noid | neither does military intelligence |
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| 13:52.23 | pif | there a black jew tribes in ethopia |
| 13:52.27 | PerfDave | greycat: You can be a black jew. |
| 13:52.29 | jethro | yeah |
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| 13:52.39 | PerfDave | Well, *you* may not be able to, but it's theoretically possible ;) |
| 13:52.40 | greycat | well, I suppose you could be of mixed black/jewish descent |
| 13:52.40 | pif | Abasha jews specifically |
| 13:52.42 | jethro | and there is a marley festival at the moment in ethiopia as well |
| 13:52.59 | PerfDave | greycat: You could be black and convert to Judaism, no? |
| 13:53.37 | jethro | PerfDave: you don't convert |
| 13:53.44 | resiak | !abuse mooded |
| 13:53.45 | jethro | you are born a jew |
| 13:53.53 | Noid | jethro: nope, you can convert |
| 13:53.57 | PerfDave | jethro: Uhm, you can convert to Judaism. It's hard, but you can do it. |
| 13:54.06 | jethro | never heard of such a thing |
| 13:54.08 | PerfDave | jethro: A friend of mine did it to marry a Jewish girl. |
| 13:54.15 | pif | what is disgusting is Israël will let them immigrate only if they can prove a jewish ascent from mother's side. If any other state's immigration policy was based on race/religion it would be a scandal |
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| 13:54.34 | jethro | PerfDave: ok |
| 13:54.40 | jm_ | I forgot to ask - we have a KDE user, who has installed some recent KDE version and is now annoyed by the switch to adjacent desktop whenever mouse cursor approaches screen borders; how to disable this behaviour? |
| 13:55.05 | jm_ | I should better ask in #kde |
| 13:55.07 | jethro | jm_: wm properties, it's called enable edge flip in e, look for similar stuff |
| 13:55.10 | resiak | jethro: Yes, you better :) |
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| 13:55.19 | resiak | Uh. |
| 13:55.21 | PerfDave | A quick google discovers: http://www.blackandjewish.com/bajpages/bajindex.html as well as a drink called "Black Jew" http://www.drinksmixer.com/drink8629.html which looks tasty |
| 13:55.26 | jethro | resiak: I d better what? |
| 13:55.27 | greycat | ``There are three names used in the New Testament to designate this people, (1.) Jews, as regards their nationality, to distinguish them from Gentiles. (2.) Hebrews, with regard to their language and education, to distinguish them from Hellenists, i.e., Jews who spoke the Greek language. (3.) Israelites, as respects their sacred privileges as the chosen people of God.'' (dict jew) |
| 13:55.27 | jm_ | jethro: yeah, we looked in KDE control center, but to no avail |
| 13:55.37 | space | question: if you work with UNIX, what would you expect your sysadmin to know? |
| 13:55.40 | jethro | jm_: hmm sorry then, I can't tell ou I don't use kde |
| 13:55.40 | gihad | Hi, i downloaded netinstall and installed on my Inspiron XPS, but the sound don't work, i need snd_intel8x0 module, i think i don't have it, how can i make it work ? |
| 13:55.49 | jm_ | jethro: same here |
| 13:56.03 | resiak | gihad: echo snd_intel8x0m >> /etc/hotplug/blacklist; reboot. |
| 13:56.07 | resiak | gihad: (just a suggestion.) |
| 13:56.17 | directhex|work | gihad, snd_intel8x0 is an alsa module. it comes with a 2.6 kernel, or needs compiling on 2.4 |
| 13:56.17 | resiak | gihad: Oh, install ALSA. And use a 2.6 kernel. |
| 13:56.20 | PerfDave | jm_: In Sarge's KDE, it's in "Desktop" -> "Window behaviour" -> "Advanced", "Active Desktop Borders" |
| 13:56.22 | gihad | resiak, i don; t have the module |
| 13:56.31 | directhex|work | gihad, the equivalent OSS module is i810_audio |
| 13:56.36 | clarence | we get receipts for donations? |
| 13:56.38 | jm_ | PerfDave: cool, thanks |
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| 13:56.52 | pif | what file should I edit to automatically perform a "alsactrl restore" when plugging my USB sound card? |
| 13:57.00 | greycat | clarence: 13 months later, apparently. |
| 13:57.11 | clarence | cool |
| 13:57.13 | gihad | directhex, my kernel is 2.6.8-2-368, but even so i don't have the module |
| 13:57.16 | clarence | can take it off my taxes :) |
| 13:57.26 | PerfDave | space: man, google |
| 13:57.32 | clarence | i need to check a pop3 account without deleting the messages off the server. what is the simplest way to do this? id rather not install a mail client, or sign up for a webmail account. is there maybe a java applet email client? |
| 13:57.36 | directhex|work | gihad, apt-get install alsa-base alsa-utils && alsaconf |
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| 13:57.44 | greycat | clarence: telnet, user, pass, list, retr, quit |
| 13:57.53 | gihad | directhex, if i do modprobe snd_intel8x0 it says: "can't locate module: |
| 13:58.03 | clarence | greycat: heh, its a lot of email |
| 13:58.04 | gihad | directhex, i already did it :( |
| 13:58.05 | directhex|work | gihad, snd-intel8x0 |
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| 13:58.09 | space | PerfDave: I mean seriously |
| 13:58.19 | clarence | greycat: but, because im curious... what port is pop? |
| 13:58.25 | greycat | clarence: grep pop3 /etc/services |
| 13:58.31 | clarence | im not on that machine |
| 13:58.33 | PerfDave | space: I'm being serious. The most important thing in an admin is not to know everything, but to be able to work things out for themselves. |
| 13:58.35 | directhex|work | wow. solaris 10 manages to blow me away with ineptitude. 'if you don't want a root password, leave both entries blank' |
| 13:58.39 | greycat | on ANY UNIX MACHINE |
| 13:58.46 | clarence | im not on ANY UNIX MACHINE |
| 13:58.47 | clarence | :-p |
| 13:58.57 | greycat | 08:58 CTCP VERSION reply from clarence: mIRC v6.16 Khaled Mardam-Bey |
| 13:59.01 | greycat | ^^^ Moron. |
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| 13:59.16 | clarence | because im using mirc means im on unix? |
| 13:59.28 | clarence | i think youve gotten confused |
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| 13:59.32 | greycat | means you're *not* on unix, which in turn makes you a windows-using moron. |
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| 13:59.49 | clarence | dont get to choose my OS at work |
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| 14:00.03 | xenoduck | clarence: Port 110. Use Google enxt time. |
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| 14:00.15 | PerfDave | clarence: So why are you asking on #debian about Windows problems? |
| 14:00.26 | RichiH | just bookmark the iana port list, guys :) |
| 14:00.29 | clarence | PerfDave: why are you asking about windows problems at all? |
| 14:00.41 | space | PerfDave: that might be, but my question is who a UNIX guru would be confident enough to give his system over to administer |
| 14:00.44 | PerfDave | clarence: I'm not asking about Windows problems, I'm not a Windows user. |
| 14:00.49 | clarence | PerfDave: you just did... |
| 14:01.00 | PerfDave | clarence: Stop trolling. |
| 14:01.03 | clarence | wtf |
| 14:01.07 | clarence | you brought it up |
| 14:01.11 | clarence | how am *I* trolling? |
| 14:01.11 | xenoduck | clarence is not trolling. You most definitely did say "Windows problems". |
| 14:01.12 | PerfDave | space: A true UNIX guru is far too paranoid to give his system over to another ;) |
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| 14:01.37 | greycat | clarence: I answered your questions. It's not MY fault if you cannot implement the answers because you aren't on Debian, when you ask for help in #debian. |
| 14:01.42 | PerfDave | xenoduck: Yes, clarence is using Windows, and wants to know how to check his e-mail. I don't see how this is a Debian problem. |
| 14:02.00 | Doc- | You can run mirc on wine actualy |
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| 14:02.12 | clarence | PerfDave: i want to know how to check it from any OS. notice the part of my request mentioning web mail and/or a java applet? |
| 14:02.15 | space | PerfDave: but to relieve himself and get more time to do things he's getting paid for |
| 14:02.16 | gihad | directhex|work, it still does not work, alsa can't detect my sound card, the module isn't there |
| 14:02.20 | clarence | both of those work just fine in debian |
| 14:02.23 | clarence | if they exist |
| 14:02.27 | Faiper | somo one here want invite to gmail.com |
| 14:02.32 | directhex|work | gihad, which version of debian did you install? |
| 14:02.38 | PerfDave | !tell Faiper about gmail |
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| 14:02.55 | PerfDave | clarence: This isn't a channel for OS-agnostic solutions, it's a channel for Debian solutions. You've been given a Debian solution. |
| 14:03.02 | Faiper | !tell |
| 14:03.04 | gihad | directhex|work, The Testing but that 100 megas netinstall |
| 14:03.11 | Faiper | !tell about gmail |
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| 14:03.28 | JennWong | greycat, i read it |
| 14:03.34 | JennWong | but i dont understand it |
| 14:03.39 | JennWong | can you help me? |
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| 14:03.43 | greycat | !FAQ JennWong |
| 14:03.44 | dpkg | JennWong: http://www.linuks.mine.nu/debian-faq-wiki/ |
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| 14:03.53 | greycat | (I wish our *real* FAQ hadn't been spammed to death...) |
| 14:03.57 | directhex|work | gihad, ls /lib/modules/$(uname -r)/kernel/sound/pci/snd-intel8x0.ko |
| 14:04.01 | mooded | !tell me about gmail |
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| 14:04.05 | greycat | argh! that's the spammed one, too. |
| 14:04.05 | drp | ok I did something and now when I log out I get this X windows login screen (where I used to get a debian login screen) and KDE doesn't start automatically anymore |
| 14:04.11 | JennWong | :) |
| 14:04.13 | greycat | dpkg, CMD: faq (.*?) =~ s/-wiki// |
| 14:04.14 | dpkg | OK, greycat |
| 14:04.16 | jerome | Faiper: stuutt'ttu'tuttell me about gmail |
| 14:04.16 | greycat | !faq JennWong |
| 14:04.17 | drp | I added exec startkde to my xinitrc but it still doesn't start auto. |
| 14:04.17 | dpkg | JennWong: http://www.linuks.mine.nu/debian-faq/ |
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| 14:04.40 | linuxica | nas |
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| 14:04.46 | PerfDave | drp: What you've probably done is selected xdm instead of kdm to log in. Do "dpkg-reconfigure kdm" and select it, then "/etc/init.d/kdm restart" and see if that solves it. |
| 14:04.48 | JennWong | thanks |
| 14:04.51 | Faiper | !tell about expocity |
| 14:04.53 | gihad | ls: /lib/modules/2.4.27-2-386/kernel/sound/pci/snd-intel8x0.ko: No such file or directory |
| 14:04.59 | WorkerII | ~nas |
| 14:04.59 | apt | somebody said nas was a network audio system, a lot like esound with special features, like a module wich can hijack your /dev/dsp on clients. (libaudiooss/http://www.mo.himolde.no/~knan/linux.html). Network Attached Storage |
| 14:05.05 | directhex|work | gihad, so you're not on fucking 2.6 |
| 14:05.11 | mooded | !tell about gmail |
| 14:05.21 | resiak | FOR THE LOVE OF GOD, PEOPLE, /msg dpkg gmail |
| 14:05.23 | WorkerII | directhex: I am on 2.6. |
| 14:05.28 | gihad | directhex|work, SORRRYYYY |
| 14:05.48 | directhex|work | gihad, 2.6 comes with alsa, 2.4 comes with oss, if you want 2.6, or alsa, then fine. but please try to have some degree of 'facts' to hand before asking for other people to fix your problems |
| 14:05.53 | directhex|work | WorkerII, that's lovely for you |
| 14:05.57 | gihad | directhex|work, my god, my cousin didn't follow my orders :P |
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| 14:06.08 | gihad | i said to him "linux26" |
| 14:06.49 | jerome | resiak: let's say I prefer hotbabe to god ? |
| 14:06.58 | greycat | jerome: try goddess, then. |
| 14:07.23 | jerome | greycat: hum, great |
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| 14:07.58 | gihad | directhex|work, is there an easy way to upgrade to 2.6 without reinstalling ? |
| 14:08.06 | real_ | what do i need to install X on debian sid? what should i apt-get install ? |
| 14:08.11 | directhex|work | gihad, yes. apt-get install kernel-image-foo |
| 14:08.15 | resiak | gihad: apt-cache search kernel-image-2.6; pick one. apt-get install it. |
| 14:08.20 | directhex|work | gihad, apt-cache search kernel-image to pick one |
| 14:08.26 | resiak | real_: If you're using Sid, you shouldn't have to ask that. |
| 14:08.35 | directhex|work | real_, apt-get install x-window-system yourwindowmanagerofchoice |
| 14:08.38 | jerome | uho, dpkg is even polite |
| 14:08.42 | RichiH | !tell real_ about set up x |
| 14:08.55 | gihad | ok, thank you all |
| 14:08.55 | RichiH | !botsnack |
| 14:08.55 | dpkg | RichiH: thanks |
| 14:08.56 | greycat | jerome: sometimes. |
| 14:08.59 | directhex|work | real_, you also want a nice friendly login manager, gdm tends to do best in comparisons |
| 14:09.04 | clarence | PerfDave: and im using the debian solution. just took an extra minute because someone felt like being funny and saying "grep pop3 /etc/services" instead of "110" |
| 14:09.06 | sukria | !tell sukria about set up x |
| 14:09.41 | PerfDave | clarence: It's not unreasonable for somebody to assume you're using Debian if you're asking for help on #debian. |
| 14:10.14 | clarence | PerfDave: no, but its unreasonable for them to type out a silly answer like that instead of just the real answer. |
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| 14:10.16 | resiak | clarence: Doing that shows you how to find out for yourself in future. |
| 14:10.22 | resiak | clarence: It's far from a silly answer. |
| 14:10.30 | clarence | resiak: only if i have a pop3 server installed, no? |
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| 14:10.33 | PerfDave | clarence: That's a perfeclty good answer. |
| 14:10.35 | PerfDave | No |
| 14:10.57 | PerfDave | clarence: It will work whehter you have a pop3 server installed or not |
| 14:10.59 | *** mode/#debian [+o greycat] by ChanServ |
| 14:11.06 | *** mode/#debian [+q *!*@208.44.62.24] by greycat |
| 14:11.13 | *** mode/#debian [-o greycat] by greycat |
| 14:11.25 | resiak | Boom. |
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| 14:11.36 | greycat | WE TEACH YOU HOW TO LEARN AND USE UNIX. WE DO NOT BREAST FEED YOU EVERY SINGLE STUPID LITTLE QUESTION YOUR WINDOWS-ADDLED BRAIN CAN CONCEIVE. |
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| 14:12.01 | website | :-) |
| 14:12.02 | digerati | well said! |
| 14:12.07 | greycat | Dammit, the moron left before I could deliver my sermon. |
| 14:12.09 | xelam | what's mode +q ? |
| 14:12.16 | greycat | xelam: "quiet", he cannot speak |
| 14:12.24 | SlayerXP | greycat: where can I get Outlook for Linux? I can't find an RPM. |
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| 14:12.35 | greycat | SlayerXP: wine. |
| 14:12.45 | SlayerXP | greycat: white, thanks. |
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| 14:13.42 | runa | !tell me about php5 |
| 14:13.53 | greycat | you can /msg the bot, y'know... |
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| 14:14.25 | jerome | someone should remap !tell to something like kick or set +q |
| 14:14.32 | runa | greycat: ah. tnx |
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| 14:15.57 | equnix | hi everyone, i have some kin of problem with the sound. everytime i change track in my rytmbox a whispering krispy crazy sound occures |
| 14:16.02 | directhex|work | !tell sussudio about badgers |
| 14:16.26 | PerfDave | jerome: Nah, "!tell me" ;) |
| 14:16.33 | runa | I want to install php5 on a testing box. I've found repositories for woody and sid, but nothing for sarge. I tried installing it from dotdeb but it depends on libmm11 (and testing has libmm13). Any ideas? |
| 14:16.34 | equnix | and my question is, of course, how do i get it to disappear |
| 14:17.10 | jerome | PerfDave: uho, you're right |
| 14:17.15 | chungkuo | I'm trying to install vmware, and can't for the life of me figure out which package is going to give me the kernel headers for 2.6.10 in /usr/src/include, any ideas? |
| 14:17.17 | directhex|work | runa, broadly speaking, sarge won't die with the odd sid package |
| 14:17.28 | directhex|work | chungkuo, kernel-headers-$(uname -r) |
| 14:17.30 | equnix | hi everyone, i have some kin of problem with the sound. everytime i change track in my rytmbox a whispering krispy crazy sound occures, and my question is, of course, how do i get it to disappear? |
| 14:17.37 | PerfDave | jerome: It happens, rarely ;) |
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| 14:18.05 | cycom | .0 |
| 14:18.39 | chungkuo | directhex, I've got that ... should I just symlink that to /usr/src/linux ? |
| 14:18.49 | jerome | PerfDave: "!tell me" is not perfect tho, it would have missed the bunch of "!tell about gmail"ers. "!tell aout is is a fine complement. |
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| 14:18.56 | directhex|work | chungkuo, you're not using nvidia-installer i hope? |
| 14:19.15 | chungkuo | directhex, Naah |
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| 14:19.40 | chungkuo | directhex, I just installed kernel-headers-2.6.10-686 |
| 14:19.43 | runa | directhex|work: tnx |
| 14:19.57 | directhex|work | chungkuo, what exactly do you need the headers for? |
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| 14:20.32 | chungkuo | directhex, I'm trying to install vmware, and its installer needs to compile its own modules...it wants headers in /usr/src/linux/include |
| 14:20.50 | directhex|work | oh, right. that should be fine. vmware 5 beta? |
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| 14:21.46 | chungkuo | directhex, No I think its a stable release |
| 14:21.53 | PerfDave | chungkuo: Check where that package put the headers, untar them if needs be, symlink them from /usr/src/linux ? |
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| 14:22.00 | directhex|work | chungkuo, i don't think 4.x run on 2.6 kernels |
| 14:22.33 | directhex|work | chungkuo, 5 is VERY nice, though |
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| 14:23.06 | chungkuo | Ahhh ... yeah I've got 4.5.2 |
| 14:23.24 | chungkuo | Maybe I'll snag the 5 beta then |
| 14:23.55 | directhex|work | chungkuo, since debian isn't a supported host, check the kernel versions of the officially supported hosts. i don't think 2.6 is in the list |
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| 14:24.11 | DeadZed- | does anyone use kbackup? is it any good? can I make incremental backups to local hdd with it? |
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| 14:24.25 | runa | DeadZed-: I use rdiff-backup and it rocks |
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| 14:25.43 | R | Hello, I'm trying to make screenshot of a browser (mozilla of firefox) on a server using Xvfb, unfortunately mozilla doesn't seem to accept the width and height arguments and starts way to small... any ideas? |
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| 14:26.52 | DeadZed- | runa I just wanna use incremental backups in case I mess something up ... so that my initial backup archive would be overwritten with the recent system-tree. |
| 14:26.55 | chungkuo | directhex, Ah okay thanks |
| 14:27.09 | DeadZed- | runa can I do that with rdiff-backup |
| 14:27.29 | runa | DeadZed-: I think so |
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| 14:28.32 | PerfDave | R: Can you not resize it after it starts, before you take your screenshot? |
| 14:28.42 | DeadZed- | rdiff-backup I did backups of all my linux partitons with partimage but it doesnt do incremental (so that only recent changed, added files would be added to archive) |
| 14:28.53 | DeadZed- | aarghh |
| 14:29.01 | DeadZed- | runa I did backups of all my linux partitons with partimage but it doesnt do incremental (so that only recent changed, added files would be added to archive) |
| 14:29.15 | robin_sz | well, I solved the problem of installing Debian on a Dell 1850 |
| 14:29.29 | robin_sz | the machine is now dead, the engineer will collect it tomorow :) |
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| 14:29.38 | R | Xvfb is a virtual framebuffer, in other words: I can't do anything with a mouse |
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| 14:30.19 | runa | DeadZed-: rdiff backup backups are not partition backups. I doubt you'll find something that do partition backups incrementally |
| 14:30.55 | DeadZed- | k |
| 14:30.59 | DeadZed- | Thanks |
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| 14:32.49 | DeadZed- | runa would you know how to make incremental backups with tar? .. so that it would only add, delete new files |
| 14:33.04 | jm_ | DeadZed-: info tar, also try dobackup |
| 14:33.23 | DeadZed- | google is full of tar info and scripts but theyre all a bit vague |
| 14:33.34 | jm_ | no, info is a command |
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| 14:34.39 | DeadZed- | linux inbuilt info and man give a general idea of tar but dont tell how to write scripts, commands to make incremental backups |
| 14:34.58 | digerati | DeadZed-: This may help you http://www.iratepublik.com/show_article.php?id=7 |
| 14:35.04 | jm_ | wrong |
| 14:35.04 | DeadZed- | :) |
| 14:35.06 | robin_sz | but thats what dump and restore are for :) |
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| 14:35.44 | DeadZed- | Ive been reading dump info all over but havent gone anywhere with it yet :( |
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| 14:36.16 | DeadZed- | I ended up trying kbackup but its not what I expected either |
| 14:36.48 | jethro | DeadZed-: mondorescue is what you want |
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| 14:37.00 | [Dj_baby] | qestion how can i use gd2 whit php4? i instaled libgd2 and php4-gd2 but php gives error that the can't use imagecreatefromjpeg() |
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| 14:40.42 | bjenkins | when you make menuconfig (or config) some of the options are in pointy brackets, some in square brackets. whta's that about? |
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| 14:41.05 | jm_ | the latter indicate it has sub-choices |
| 14:41.09 | jm_ | indicates |
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| 14:41.24 | equnix | hi everyone, i have some kin of problem with the sound. everytime i change track in my rytmbox a whispering krispy crazy sound occures, and my question is, of course, how do i get it to disappear? |
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| 14:41.33 | bjenkins | ok |
| 14:41.41 | bjenkins | thx |
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| 14:42.27 | jm_ | bjenkins: it's not that |
| 14:42.29 | bjenkins | i compiled a 2.6.8 kernel with all the framebuffer support i could enable, but when i boot it, i only get X, no consoles |
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| 14:42.57 | bjenkins | actually, if i boot it vga=791 i lose the consoles |
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| 14:43.12 | bjenkins | without that parameter they're there |
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| 14:43.32 | Rob_Sysman | Guys Im really having trouble with debian woody |
| 14:43.48 | greycat | !ask |
| 14:43.49 | dpkg | If you have a question, just ask away on channel. If somebody knows, they'll answer :) For best results, be specific, informative, complete, concise and on-topic! Don't ask if you can ask a question first. Also don't ask if anyone uses/knows about foo. Please don't be demanding or insulting. Remember, we're all volunteers. Finally, please don't /msg people without permission or demand an answer from one particular person. Thanks! |
| 14:44.08 | Rob_Sysman | I mean, nothing wrong with the OS, but that im a noob |
| 14:44.12 | ultibuzz | how i can manually install a second networkcard via terminal |
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| 14:44.29 | bbrazil | ultibuzz: ifconfig |
| 14:44.30 | CoolPops | I am going to be deploying a new server and it's application requires some new features of PostgreSQL 8.0. This is not yet available in .deb. What should be my general install procedure for this? Just manual compile into /usr/local ? |
| 14:44.30 | jdahm | ultibuzz: use eth1 |
| 14:44.33 | jm_ | bjenkins: it's explained in README.Menuconfig (what [] and <> mean) |
| 14:44.33 | greycat | ultibuzz: you don't install network cards via terminals. you have to open the computer and insert them, unless they're external/USB or something. |
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| 14:44.42 | jdahm | ultibuzz: you can make as many as you want |
| 14:44.44 | bjenkins | jm, thx |
| 14:44.56 | ultibuzz | just type it in the interfaces ? |
| 14:45.11 | scarynetworkguy | And of course external/USB network adapters drown kittens *and* cause cancer. |
| 14:45.36 | bjenkins | jm_ any idea wher i cd look for info about my console problem? |
| 14:45.37 | Rob_Sysman | I have a USB modem and I have the drivers, but I am unable to configure them. |
| 14:45.57 | Rob_Sysman | I dont even know if USB support is present in my version..how do I check |
| 14:46.00 | jm_ | bjenkins: it might be related to your improper input section config options |
| 14:46.01 | greycat | ultibuzz: 1) insert the hardware and boot. 2) load the driver. 3) configure the interface. |
| 14:46.03 | scarynetworkguy | Rob_Sysman: It's a sign from Loki that you should get a real modem. |
| 14:46.09 | jm_ | bjenkins: try reading 2.6 input FAQ |
| 14:46.22 | Rob_Sysman | my version : debian woody 3.0 |
| 14:46.22 | ultibuzz | card is in ;D |
| 14:46.25 | bjenkins | is that in the Documentation dir? |
| 14:46.29 | ultibuzz | how to load the driver |
| 14:46.50 | jdahm | !modprobe |
| 14:46.50 | dpkg | i guess modprobe is something you use to install modules with it |
| 14:46.56 | Rob_Sysman | I need help please |
| 14:47.06 | jm_ | bjenkins: google for it |
| 14:47.20 | Rob_Sysman | Is installing the packages easier with a desktop enviroment around ? like kde? |
| 14:47.20 | bjenkins | thx jm |
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| 14:47.52 | DeadZed- | Rob_Sysman for debian there is kpackage and synaptic for package handling |
| 14:47.52 | abrotman | Rob_Sysman: most people do it with a CLI tool |
| 14:48.04 | [Dj_baby] | qestion how can i use gd2 whit php4? i instaled libgd2 and php4-gd2 but php gives error that the can't use imagecreatefromjpeg() |
| 14:48.08 | Rob_Sysman | well, how do I know if i have USB Support |
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| 14:48.19 | abrotman | Rob_Sysman: uname -r |
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| 14:48.29 | jethro | Rob_Sysman: just plug an usb thingie and dmesg |
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| 14:48.36 | greycat | ultibuzz: if it's built into the kernel, then it's probably already loaded. if you're in woody and it's a module, then you need to load that module. if you're in sarge and using discover/hotplug, it might load the module for you, maybe. BE SPECIFIC!! |
| 14:48.44 | greycat | !VAGUENESS |
| 14:48.44 | dpkg | VAGUENESS MAKES THE BABY JESUS CRY! |
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| 14:49.17 | DeadZed- | heh :) what this .. greycat !VAGUENESS |
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| 14:49.42 | greycat | !VAGUENESS |
| 14:49.43 | dpkg | VAGUENESS CAUSES SARS! |
| 14:49.45 | Rob_Sysman | well, the lights on my USB modem dont flash when I start linux |
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| 14:49.58 | Rob_Sysman | im sorry im a total nooob |
| 14:50.22 | DeadZed- | Rob_Sysman couple of lines above you were told to uname -r |
| 14:50.31 | Rob_Sysman | uname -r |
| 14:50.34 | abrotman | which is a good place to start .. |
| 14:50.37 | DeadZed- | in terminal |
| 14:50.44 | abrotman | in a terminal window on your own machine |
| 14:51.06 | Rob_Sysman | im sorry guys how can I access the internet if I have not set up the modem yet on LINUX ??????? |
| 14:51.11 | Rob_Sysman | im on windows!! |
| 14:51.19 | Rob_Sysman | USB Modem |
| 14:51.38 | DeadZed- | hah :) |
| 14:51.47 | abrotman | well .. there's a problem |
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| 14:52.14 | Rob_Sysman | ok full details : i downloaded the woody minicd iso and installed from that |
| 14:52.21 | DeadZed- | Rob_Sysman debian install didnt detect it ? |
| 14:52.26 | abrotman | use the sarge installer |
| 14:52.28 | Rob_Sysman | not at all |
| 14:52.30 | abrotman | much happier you will be |
| 14:52.32 | DeadZed- | maybe its cause its mini cd ? |
| 14:52.36 | Rob_Sysman | yeah it is minicd |
| 14:52.38 | DeadZed- | MINI ? |
| 14:52.43 | DeadZed- | get full :) |
| 14:52.48 | abrotman | use sarge installer |
| 14:52.49 | Rob_Sysman | but ...... can i install USB support packages from somewhere |
| 14:52.51 | abrotman | fuck woody |
| 14:52.54 | abrotman | erm ... |
| 14:52.57 | Rob_Sysman | sarge installer? |
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| 14:53.10 | DeadZed- | abrotman Hes a beginner |
| 14:53.20 | abrotman | DeadZed-: exactly why sarge would be better |
| 14:53.23 | Melsen | When I recompile a new kernel.. how can I check my current drivers to make sure I ask to new compilation to use the same? |
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| 14:53.35 | DeadZed- | abrotman dunno .. I shut up |
| 14:53.38 | Rob_Sysman | well, how big is the sarge installer? |
| 14:54.04 | abrotman | !d-i |
| 14:54.04 | dpkg | hmm... d-i is the new installer for sarge (debian 3.1), at http://www.debian.org/devel/debian-installer/ or see #debian-boot, but don't pester the d-i devs with unrelated questions, or see <debian-installer> |
| 14:54.08 | abrotman | Rob_Sysman: 110MB or so |
| 14:54.13 | Rob_Sysman | really???? |
| 14:54.13 | Rob_Sysman | cool |
| 14:54.19 | Rob_Sysman | woody minicd itself was 200 MB |
| 14:54.26 | abrotman | Rob_Sysman: but it's only really good if your internet will work .. you've no router? |
| 14:54.34 | ReclusE | my server crashed last night and booted to a "Enter runlevel:" prompt, this has never happened....whats going on? |
| 14:54.34 | DeadZed- | Rob_Sysman try to google for linux usb modem support .. maybe some forums have something about it |
| 14:54.37 | abrotman | and you run windows with no firewall/router? |
| 14:54.49 | Rob_Sysman | no :( |
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| 14:54.49 | Rob_Sysman | firewall yes |
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| 14:54.54 | suifur | woody is way old unless you're gonna need to use it for a forward facing production server |
| 14:54.56 | abrotman | but software firewal like blackice etc |
| 14:55.05 | Rob_Sysman | yeah zonealarm |
| 14:55.09 | ThEOnE | Que tal |
| 14:55.13 | DeadZed- | Rob_Sysman mini cd is for net install , which you apparently dont have |
| 14:55.15 | greycat | "way old". Pbbbt. |
| 14:55.18 | ThEOnE | oops |
| 14:55.21 | ThEOnE | srry |
| 14:55.23 | Rob_Sysman | :( |
| 14:55.23 | abrotman | ThEOnE: english here |
| 14:55.26 | ReclusE | <PROTECTED> |
| 14:55.28 | ThEOnE | i know |
| 14:55.34 | suifur | greycat, rather way stale ;) |
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| 14:55.54 | greycat | you want to see way old? come here, I'll beat you to death with one of our dozens of HP-UX 10.20 boxes. Or maybe I'll give you a real treat and dig out one of the m68k-hp-hpux9.0 boxes. |
| 14:56.06 | suifur | haha |
| 14:56.10 | Melsen | which dir in the kernel source dir contain the C headerfiles? |
| 14:56.10 | greycat | woody's only 3 years old, for fuck's sake! |
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| 14:56.15 | abrotman | greycat: you should upgrade those :) |
| 14:56.18 | greycat | that's newer that Win98SE! |
| 14:56.25 | abrotman | and i don't mean the OS .. i mean the whole machine :) |
| 14:56.27 | greycat | abrotman: to what, netbsd? :) |
| 14:56.28 | suifur | i played w/ HP-UX, not that old, a little newer, from about 5 years ago |
| 14:56.48 | abrotman | greycat: that would work .. what's HPUX up to now .. 12.x ? |
| 14:56.49 | suifur | greycat, waht kinda boxen are they? |
| 14:57.01 | abrotman | pa-risc |
| 14:57.03 | ReclusE | I need some help here! |
| 14:57.06 | suifur | heh |
| 14:57.10 | suifur | what're they being used for? |
| 14:57.14 | abrotman | ReclusE: enter a run level |
| 14:57.21 | ReclusE | what level? |
| 14:57.23 | greycat | abrotman: we only have a couple of surviving m68k-hp-hpux9 boxes, and we only dig them out of mothballs on special occasions. They have weird hardware attached to them that *nothing* else has software/drivers for. |
| 14:57.25 | abrotman | ReclusE: you've only got 6 to choose from .. the normal debian one is 2 |
| 14:57.33 | abrotman | greycat: eeggads! |
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| 14:57.52 | abrotman | greycat: aren't most of them pa-risc? |
| 14:57.53 | ReclusE | I've tried it, and I get a modprobe error "dependencies not found" |
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| 14:58.52 | greycat | abrotman: yes, any half-recent HP-UX machine is PA-RISC or Itanium |
| 14:59.02 | abrotman | eww . itanium |
| 14:59.07 | greycat | the vast majority of ours are B180L workstations, which are 180 MHz PA-RISC 1.1 |
| 14:59.30 | jm_ | we use those as "servers" :) |
| 14:59.34 | ReclusE | abrotman:I've tried it, and I get a modprobe error "dependencies not found" |
| 14:59.36 | abrotman | why do you have so many .. "workstations" ? |
| 14:59.46 | abrotman | ReclusE: then something died a horrible death |
| 14:59.47 | Rob_Sysman | Ok guys Im going for the ultimate kill |
| 14:59.53 | Rob_Sysman | Im going to completely remove woody |
| 14:59.56 | greycat | abrotman: they do what we need done. |
| 14:59.58 | ReclusE | and along with it I die......... |
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| 15:00.12 | Rob_Sysman | how do I install sarge ? CAn i do it over the woody partitions? |
| 15:00.18 | jerome | there are no hpux there at work. We have some ibm, sun and sgi (and intel unfortunatly), with aix, solaris and irix, respectively. I should be able to find a vax too |
| 15:00.21 | greycat | Rob_Sysman: /msg dpkg woody->sarge /msg dpkg d-i |
| 15:00.22 | abrotman | ReclusE: let me guess .. work system . no backup? |
| 15:00.31 | abrotman | Rob_Sysman: right over woody |
| 15:00.35 | ReclusE | I've got backups and yes it is a work system |
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| 15:00.51 | Rob_Sysman | I mean, can I do it over woody? |
| 15:00.53 | abrotman | ReclusE: did a drive die? .. does the bios see the drives? |
| 15:00.57 | jerome | ReclusE: were they many partitions ? |
| 15:00.58 | abrotman | Rob_Sysman: yes ... |
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| 15:01.09 | jerome | ReclusE: like /usr, /tmp, etc ? |
| 15:01.12 | ReclusE | no dirive death, yes multiple partitions |
| 15:01.14 | Rob_Sysman | it wont cause problems with Lilo would it? |
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| 15:01.32 | jethro | !tell Rob_Sysman about woody->sarge |
| 15:01.38 | abrotman | jethro: he can't |
| 15:01.41 | Melsen | Which directory in the kernel source dir contain what is called 'C Header Files' ???? |
| 15:01.50 | Rob_Sysman | Well, where can I get sarge? |
| 15:01.51 | abrotman | Rob_Sysman: does it matter? .. it will install grub |
| 15:01.53 | abrotman | !d-i |
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| 15:01.53 | dpkg | i heard d-i is the new installer for sarge (debian 3.1), at http://www.debian.org/devel/debian-installer/ or see #debian-boot, but don't pester the d-i devs with unrelated questions, or see <debian-installer> |
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| 15:01.55 | abrotman | go there |
| 15:01.57 | suifur | Melsen, include if i remember correctly |
| 15:02.02 | jethro | abrotman: why? |
| 15:02.02 | suifur | "include> |
| 15:02.07 | abrotman | jethro: he has no network |
| 15:02.09 | Melsen | I tried that.. but it still complains |
| 15:02.10 | vds | hi all |
| 15:02.15 | abrotman | jethro: he could upgrade using d-i .. but what's the point |
| 15:02.15 | jethro | ah yes |
| 15:02.19 | jethro | the eciadsl |
| 15:02.24 | jerome | ReclusE: try to boot in "recovery" / "fail safe" mode using either a cd or /bin/sh |
| 15:02.25 | abrotman | he might as well install clean |
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| 15:02.29 | vds | I'm using sid, how can I tell to apt to never update a certain package? tnx! |
| 15:02.31 | suifur | Melsen, hmmm, you make sure its the right source for the kernel you're running |
| 15:02.31 | jethro | hasn't he been able to install it yet? |
| 15:02.31 | suifur | ? |
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| 15:02.40 | jethro | it's been like 5 hours now |
| 15:02.43 | ReclusE | just type recovery at the boot prompt? |
| 15:02.49 | Melsen | I just leeched the new kernel-source-2.4.19 |
| 15:02.50 | jerome | ReclusE: huhu, no |
| 15:02.52 | abrotman | ReclusE: if you've a rescue CD handy .. you may be able to get the data off .. |
| 15:02.55 | Rob_Sysman | yeah |
| 15:03.03 | ReclusE | I have a rescue cd |
| 15:03.10 | Rob_Sysman | Can i install sarge FROM woody? |
| 15:03.18 | abrotman | ReclusE: but be prepared for the fact that your drive may have corrupted itself .. which Filesystem? |
| 15:03.20 | jethro | Rob_Sysman: you can upgrade |
| 15:03.28 | abrotman | Rob_Sysman: easier to install clean from scratch |
| 15:03.40 | Rob_Sysman | Jethro : yes I want my system to totally forget woody |
| 15:03.40 | jerome | ReclusE: any install CD would do, debian from scratch might be better; However, you could try to passe an init level, or a command at boot prompt, calling /bin/sh |
| 15:03.41 | ReclusE | would ext2 be the right answer? |
| 15:03.48 | greycat | Rob_Sysman: /msg dpkg woody->sarge /msg dpkg d-i |
| 15:03.50 | abrotman | ReclusE: it is a possible answer |
| 15:03.51 | jethro | Rob_Sysman: to totally forget your mistakes? :) |
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| 15:03.59 | Rob_Sysman | jethro : exactly |
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| 15:04.03 | jethro | hahahahahha |
| 15:04.06 | Rob_Sysman | jethro : well, how do i start |
| 15:04.11 | abrotman | !ig |
| 15:04.12 | dpkg | ig is probably for woody: http://www.debian.org/releases/woody/installmanual ; sarge: http://d-i.alioth.debian.org/manual/ ; sid: /msg dpkg iyhtays. |
| 15:04.20 | [Dj_baby] | qestion how can i use gd2 whit php4? i instaled libgd2 and php4-gd2 but php gives error that the can't use imagecreatefromjpeg() pls? "phpinfo say's GD Version bundled (2.0.28 compatible)" |
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| 15:04.32 | Rob_Sysman | should i uninstall woody or something or i shouldnt bother? |
| 15:04.32 | jethro | Rob_Sysman: www.debian.org look for installation guide |
| 15:04.36 | ReclusE | if I do a complete re-install of debian will I lose my data? |
| 15:04.41 | abrotman | [Dj_baby]: which version of PHP .. and did you restart apache ? |
| 15:05.09 | Rob_Sysman | should I uninstall woody or just overwrite? |
| 15:05.13 | abrotman | overwrite it |
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| 15:05.17 | abrotman | for the 5th damn time |
| 15:05.28 | Rob_Sysman | well sorry abrot but Im really finicky abt these things |
| 15:05.33 | jethro | Rob_Sysman: click the start menu, look for configuration pannel |
| 15:05.35 | abrotman | Rob_Sysman: it's just your data .. who cares |
| 15:05.38 | jerome | Rob_Sysman: you can overwrite, repartition&format, keep some partitions alive |
| 15:05.40 | jerome | ... |
| 15:05.43 | jethro | Rob_Sysman: then add/remove programs, and check the woody entry |
| 15:05.44 | [Dj_baby] | abrotman yes i did restarted apache and version of php is 4.3.10 |
| 15:05.52 | abrotman | [Dj_baby]: and phpinfo() says it's there? |
| 15:05.55 | Rob_Sysman | jethro : I have NO desktop manager |
| 15:06.00 | abrotman | and? |
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| 15:06.03 | Rob_Sysman | jethro : just the terminal (minicd) |
| 15:06.08 | ReclusE | <PROTECTED> |
| 15:06.12 | jethro | omg |
| 15:06.29 | xelam | ReclusE: if you dont back it up yes |
| 15:06.31 | xelam | f00l |
| 15:06.32 | abrotman | jethro: see .. easier to reinstall :) |
| 15:06.32 | [Dj_baby] | yes |
| 15:06.37 | jerome | ReclusE: depends |
| 15:06.38 | X101 | I just installed grub and removed lilo. now, when I restart im thrown into the grub prompt |
| 15:06.38 | abrotman | !aolify xelam |
| 15:06.47 | ReclusE | how do you back up a drive you cant boot to? |
| 15:06.52 | jethro | abrotman: since he seem to lack some common sense, I do agree with what you just said |
| 15:06.52 | Melsen | Hrmm.. ok. When I want to compile a new kernel.. is there any command I can type to see the current list of hardware drivers compiled into the kernel so I can make sure the new kernel get's the exact same configuration? |
| 15:06.54 | jerome | ReclusE: you can safely preserve /home /var, etc |
| 15:06.54 | [Dj_baby] | Fatal error: Call to undefined function: imagecreatefromjpeg() |
| 15:07.06 | greycat | ReclusE: put it in a machine that can boot. |
| 15:07.14 | abrotman | [Dj_baby]: ask #php .. or check the BTS .. check the readme .. the libgd stuff was 'non-free' for a bit iirc |
| 15:07.16 | ReclusE | jerome: anything special I need to do? |
| 15:07.17 | petemc | Melsen: you can take the old .config , put it in the new kernel dir, run make oldconfig |
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| 15:07.31 | jerome | ReclusE: sure, avoid formating them |
| 15:07.34 | gualtrapa | hello |
| 15:07.48 | ReclusE | would a RH OS let me see the partitions? |
| 15:07.54 | greycat | Melsen: but beware!! you cannot use a Debian config file with a kernel.org kernel tree. |
| 15:08.56 | [Dj_baby] | k |
| 15:08.58 | Melsen | petemc: Will there be a .config file also if it's a precompiled kernel? And if so.. where can I find it.. because there are no other subdirs in the /usr/src dir other than the new kernel source |
| 15:08.58 | gualtrapa | do you know if debian works with intel xeon 64 cpu? |
| 15:08.58 | Rob_Sysman | what are the files I need to install Debian?? (the bare minimum) |
| 15:08.58 | greycat | Melsen: you can thank the Linux developers' attitude toward 'stability' for that particular fiasco. It's even documented in print now. |
| 15:08.58 | abrotman | it's not even sunday |
| 15:08.58 | greycat | Rob_Sysman: BARE minimum? two floppy images. |
| 15:08.58 | Rob_Sysman | i see folders -- dists,docs,blab bla |
| 15:08.58 | petemc | Melsen: what kernel is it? debian kernel configs should be in /boot/ |
| 15:08.58 | Melsen | 2.2.20-compact |
| 15:08.58 | jerome | ReclusE: are you the system admin of this server ? |
| 15:08.58 | greycat | Rob_Sysman: more typically? one 110 MB ISO image. |
| 15:08.58 | ReclusE | jerome: yes |
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| 15:09.04 | Rob_Sysman | well I want something with kde or something like that installed |
| 15:09.15 | jerome | ReclusE: you're not unixy are you ? |
| 15:09.17 | greycat | Melsen: 2.2.* config files cannot be used in anything other than 2.2.* kernel trees. |
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| 15:09.45 | ReclusE | not when the machine completely chokes and pukes on itself |
| 15:09.53 | jerome | sure |
| 15:10.07 | Rob_Sysman | Please what are the files I need to install sarge? can anyone send me the link? |
| 15:10.15 | Melsen | greycat: damn. Can you recommend any precedure to move ahead with then when upgrading to 2.4.19 ? ..... I just wanna make sure I install the same drivers and not a whole bunch of unnessecary stuff. |
| 15:10.28 | Melsen | precedure->procedure. |
| 15:10.32 | jerome | ReclusE: go and get some bootable CD, boot with it, mount partitions (cat /proc/partitions) and chroot onto the system |
| 15:10.51 | Rob_Sysman | What is Debian 3.0r4? |
| 15:10.53 | jerome | ReclusE: you should be able to repair things |
| 15:10.59 | X101 | I just installed grub and removed lilo. now, when I restart im thrown into the grub prompt. how can I make it autoboot my system instead? |
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| 15:11.25 | jerome | Rob_Sysman: the fourth coming of the prophetical debian woody 3.0 |
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| 15:11.27 | abrotman | X101: you have to do that from debian .. you run the update-grub script |
| 15:11.27 | ReclusE | jerome: may we chat a moment? |
| 15:11.34 | abrotman | no .. no chatting!! |
| 15:11.38 | X101 | abrotman: I did that too |
| 15:11.38 | jerome | ReclusE: nope, sorry, I'm at work now |
| 15:11.39 | ReclusE | lol |
| 15:11.52 | debboy | hi. i've just installed debian on a fresh newbie computer. its got metacity going etc, the standard x windows all that. |
| 15:11.59 | Rob_Sysman | abrotman tell me where i go from here : ftp://ftp.iitm.ac.in/debian/dists/sarge/main/ |
| 15:12.01 | abrotman | X101: you ran `update-grub;grub-install <bootdrive>` ? |
| 15:12.03 | jethro | Rob_Sysman: can you just fucking google for debian sarge install iso ? |
| 15:12.04 | jerome | ReclusE: I was drinking a little coffee, I got to go back to my work :) |
| 15:12.07 | ReclusE | damn, just wanted more detail regarding this repair procedure you descreibe |
| 15:12.10 | jethro | Rob_Sysman: is that such a darn fucking thing to type? |
| 15:12.15 | abrotman | Rob_Sysman: i don't know what you're trying to do |
| 15:12.16 | jethro | Rob_Sysman: if you need assistance tell me |
| 15:12.16 | X101 | abrotman: update grub last |
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| 15:12.19 | debboy | i want to use those usb thumb drives to show up when i plug it in |
| 15:12.21 | jethro | !fgi sarge iso |
| 15:12.22 | dpkg | sarge: http://fuckinggoogleit.com/search?query=iso |
| 15:12.24 | abrotman | X101: say what? |
| 15:12.29 | jethro | !fgi Rob_Sysman sarge+iso |
| 15:12.29 | dpkg | Rob_Sysman: http://fuckinggoogleit.com/search?query=sarge+iso |
| 15:12.34 | abrotman | jethro: /msg dpkg d-i :) |
| 15:12.36 | X101 | abrotman: grub-install /dev/hda && update-grub |
| 15:12.43 | abrotman | X101: that's backwards |
| 15:12.46 | X101 | hm |
| 15:12.50 | abrotman | X101: update-grub first |
| 15:12.55 | jethro | abrotman: the fuckinggoogleit matters in that case, you told him about d-i didn't you? |
| 15:12.55 | X101 | gonna check the other way around then |
| 15:13.14 | debboy | anyone know how i can make it simple to use those usb thumb drives? i want it like the cd rom on the metacity background/filemanager |
| 15:13.17 | abrotman | jethro: more than once :) |
| 15:13.30 | abrotman | !tell debboy about usb-storage |
| 15:13.33 | directhex|work | debboy, udev, hal, and gnome-volume-manager |
| 15:13.38 | jethro | abrotman: actually I also did it more then once with fgi, I think Rob_Sysman is helpless |
| 15:14.08 | abrotman | jethro: or you're a bad helper :) |
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| 15:14.25 | jethro | abrotman: must be that, I m a bad helper |
| 15:14.36 | debboy | thanks guys |
| 15:14.38 | Rob_Sysman | So I get the FULL CD SET? |
| 15:14.39 | jethro | Melsen: I don't care what you think, no point in telling me in pm |
| 15:14.52 | abrotman | oh dear god |
| 15:15.15 | azreal | !tell Rob_Sysman about netinst |
| 15:15.29 | abrotman | he's already been told everything dpkg knows .. it's not helpign |
| 15:15.37 | Rob_Sysman | noooooooooo not netinst I dont have a fuckin modem installed |
| 15:15.49 | abrotman | the netinst has a basic system |
| 15:15.50 | Melsen | jethro: chill down instead of acting like that man.... noone here have herassed you nor provoked you. |
| 15:15.50 | Weems | thats for eth0 |
| 15:15.51 | jethro | Rob_Sysman: it's time you switch to some other operating system and go piss off other helpers |
| 15:15.52 | abrotman | you don't need the internet |
| 15:16.01 | abrotman | and the sarge .. much better to install |
| 15:16.09 | jethro | !tell Melsen about msg |
| 15:16.28 | abrotman | !guidelines |
| 15:16.29 | dpkg | 1) Don't ask to ask. Just ask. 2) Don't repeat questions. Read and grow; show growth in new questions. 3) Reading technical documentation is a skill, please persevere, it's worth it. 4) If your problem isn't solved, come back a few hours or days later. 5) Please use /msg to talk to the bots. 6) Be polite and patient. 7) Paste on #flood, not here. 8) Don't use colours or bold, do not run scripts. 9) No Trolls. 10) see <msg> |
| 15:16.30 | Melsen | jethro: if you're annoyed by new people interrested in linux.. perhaps this isn't really a channel suitable for your bloodpressure. |
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| 15:16.43 | jethro | Melsen: welcome to /dev/null |
| 15:16.57 | Rob_Sysman | Melsen : Go man go! |
| 15:17.00 | abrotman | Melsen: no .. you're not supposed to ever /msg anyone in any channel without permission .. it's common irc courtesy |
| 15:17.06 | Melsen | jethro: thank you kindly sir. Where's the welcome committy |
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| 15:17.44 | jerome | ReclusE: try getting some inspiration with http://linux-universe.com/HOWTO/LILO-crash-rescue-HOWTO/crash.html , |
| 15:17.48 | Melsen | abrotman: regardless - Doesn't justify the way jethro acted towards Rob_Sysman |
| 15:17.51 | jerome | ReclusE: or even http://wiki.sourcemage.org/index.php?page=Repair+using+a+Boot-CD |
| 15:17.53 | Weems | Can I install another Linux distro from inside linux? |
| 15:18.06 | Weems | (debian) |
| 15:18.07 | Rob_Sysman | Ok guys Im very sorry, one final question |
| 15:18.13 | jerome | Weems: yes then |
| 15:18.15 | jethro | !lart Rob_Sysman |
| 15:18.16 | debboy | directhex|work, they were already installed, when i type lshal, it says 'org.freedesktop.Hal does not exist' ?! |
| 15:18.18 | debboy | ideas? |
| 15:18.19 | jerome | Weems: debootstrap |
| 15:18.25 | Weems | jerome: how do i do it? |
| 15:18.26 | Weems | ok |
| 15:18.36 | Weems | i run that from command propt? |
| 15:18.36 | Rob_Sysman | with the 107 MB Sarge installer, will it detect my USB ports? |
| 15:18.44 | Rob_Sysman | unlike woody |
| 15:18.46 | jethro | Rob_Sysman: just try and tell us |
| 15:18.52 | jerome | Weems: nah, you stfw for debootstrap |
| 15:18.58 | jethro | Rob_Sysman: you win a candy if you can do that within an hour |
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| 15:19.03 | suifur | Rob_Sysman, sweet mother, just take a fucking chance |
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| 15:19.41 | Rob_Sysman | jethro : Please man, ive got a bad internet connection and downloading 107 MB files isnt a piece of cake for me |
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| 15:19.41 | jerome | Rob_Sysman: it should |
| 15:19.41 | Rob_Sysman | K thanks |
| 15:19.42 | Rob_Sysman | ill try |
| 15:19.49 | Rob_Sysman | and let you know when this download completes |
| 15:19.50 | suifur | its got a 2.4.27 kernel, it had better detect fucking usb ports |
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| 15:20.03 | Rob_Sysman | probably itll finish by tomorrow night |
| 15:20.05 | Rob_Sysman | :) |
| 15:20.20 | wombachi | repquota give me a username like '#52400' does it mean such userid was once created? |
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| 15:20.33 | jerome | damned, it seems we helped someone in Texas |
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| 15:20.48 | wombachi | k, its more security- than debian- related, but I'm not sure |
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| 15:21.53 | wombachi | 'Hi, I need more space. -- More space? move to Texas!' (bofh) |
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| 15:22.41 | BaNooZ | can someone name some text editors on *nix other then pico? |
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| 15:22.59 | azreal | BaNooZ: vim, nano, elvis |
| 15:23.05 | wombachi | BaNooZ emacs, vi, vim, jed, elvis, nvi? |
| 15:23.11 | jerome | is this a troll ? |
| 15:23.16 | mutantspider | what's the command to check your ip address in debian |
| 15:23.21 | caphuso | mutantspider: ifconfig |
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| 15:23.24 | jerome | BaNooZ: apt-cache search editor |
| 15:23.36 | wombachi | mutantspider /sbin/ifconfig (if you're not root) |
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| 15:23.51 | mutantspider | thanks |
| 15:23.54 | scarynetworkguy | mutantspider: ifconfig |
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| 15:24.09 | wombachi | mutantspider it's not debian-specific, should work with any distro |
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| 15:24.19 | abrotman | and most unixes |
| 15:24.35 | mutantspider | awesome, the /sbin/ifconfig worked |
| 15:24.41 | jethro | !win mutantspider |
| 15:24.42 | dpkg | Congratulations, mutantspider! You have won the US presidency! |
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| 15:25.12 | Cristina | ola |
| 15:25.14 | azreal | jethro: i thought you were giveing away candy? |
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| 15:25.29 | Cristina | hello |
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| 15:25.35 | jethro | azreal: that was just for Retard_sysman |
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| 15:26.03 | bjenkins | ok, i got my consoles working, but i'd like to know WHY |
| 15:26.07 | bjenkins | i recompiled and removed the rivafb option ( i have a riva tnt2 card) |
| 15:26.13 | bjenkins | now it supports vga=791 with no problem |
| 15:26.18 | suifur | jethro,did we not ever tell him to read the fucking manual? |
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| 15:26.31 | wombachi | why does repquota report a uid '#52400' when I dont have any uid 52400 in passwd/shadow? What does it mean? |
| 15:26.36 | Cristina | hello |
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| 15:26.44 | invictus | what is the difference between apt-get and dpkg? |
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| 15:26.48 | abrotman | Cristina: hi .. now stop saying hello |
| 15:26.52 | greycat | man dpkg; man apt-get |
| 15:26.53 | jethro | suifur: I think we forgot that, but used nice metaphors instead |
| 15:26.56 | abrotman | !wb Cristina |
| 15:26.57 | dpkg | O frabjous day! Callooh! Callay! Cristina has returned! |
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| 15:27.26 | suifur | jethro, ah ok, i didn't recall telling him that, but i shall remember to tell the next one |
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| 15:27.46 | jethro | suifur: to me fgi is equivalent to rtfm, given the quality of linux manpages |
| 15:28.08 | JoaoMarcus | stfg? |
| 15:28.11 | suifur | jethro, heh thats true |
| 15:28.24 | JoaoMarcus | seart the fscking google |
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| 15:28.36 | JoaoMarcus | seart -> search |
| 15:28.40 | jethro | JoaoMarcus: fgi is fine |
| 15:28.40 | sansaway | invictus, it says in the manual (DESCRIPTION) |
| 15:28.45 | azreal | suifur: shouldnt be long until you can... |
| 15:28.45 | jethro | !fgi |
| 15:28.46 | dpkg | i heard fgi is http://www.fuckinggoogleit.com/, and see http://www.moule.org/images/bart.jpg |
| 15:28.46 | abrotman | JoaoMarcus: yeah .. that awas close :) |
| 15:28.48 | abrotman | bah ... |
| 15:28.49 | Cristina | sorry I am spanish and I don´t comprise very good I |
| 15:28.56 | abrotman | !es |
| 15:28.56 | dpkg | Hispanohablantes: Por favor usen #debian-es, alli obtendran mas ayuda. Spanish Speakers: Please use #debian-es, there you will get much more help. |
| 15:29.00 | JoaoMarcus | ahhh not I get it |
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| 15:29.11 | mutantspider | i'm trying to install debian on my laptop. I have sarge disc 1 and 2, i have 3 partitions, one for XP, one for debian and one for all my random files. I try booting off the cd and it runs through a few scripts but then just stops about 5 seconds into the scripts... |
| 15:29.44 | webuser | I needsome help in applying ipw2100-1.0.4.tgz to get my wireless working. Any helper ? :) |
| 15:29.50 | Cristina | I am 13 years old and my name is cristina and you? |
| 15:29.55 | greycat | Oh god. |
| 15:29.59 | jethro | webuser: you don't apply it |
| 15:30.10 | SlayerXP | Cristina: A/S/L ??????? |
| 15:30.15 | jethro | webuser: preferably you apt-get install ipw2100-source |
| 15:30.22 | jethro | webuser: as you have been told earlier today |
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| 15:30.30 | Cristina | what??????? |
| 15:30.33 | sansaway | Cristina, this forum is probably not good for You :-) People here are weird |
| 15:30.34 | invictus | sansaway; it says that both are used for package managing, but not much more |
| 15:30.35 | tobo | doesn't the debian vsftd package have ssh compiled?? |
| 15:30.36 | sansaway | :-) |
| 15:30.38 | jethro | webuser: once it's installed, you `cd /usr/share/doc/ipw2100-source/` |
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| 15:30.41 | tobo | vsftpd even |
| 15:30.45 | jethro | webuser: and read teh fine documentation |
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| 15:31.15 | suifur | troll troll troll ;) |
| 15:31.17 | suifur | !troll |
| 15:31.17 | dpkg | it has been said that troll is a race on some muds;a guy under a bridge: an annoying robot; a port scanner, or somebody faking being clueless to be shown the One Linux Way so he can argue against it for his psychology thesis on linux advocates, or an employee of trolltech, or at http://www.kuro5hin.org/story/2001/7/27/51233/2979 or http://www.catb.org/~esr/jargon/html/entry/troll.html |
| 15:31.22 | PerfDave | mutantspider: Did you check the release notes and errata for the installer? |
| 15:31.29 | sanitarium | hi all |
| 15:31.39 | Cristina | I don compled veri good |
| 15:31.55 | jethro | Cristina: /j #debian-es |
| 15:31.59 | sanitarium | how do i check which kernel i have so can get the right kernel sources |
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| 15:32.13 | Cristina | <PROTECTED> |
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| 15:32.23 | digerati | sanitarium: uname -r |
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| 15:32.26 | caphuso | Cristina: do you have anything debian related to say? |
| 15:32.30 | sanitarium | ty digerati |
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| 15:32.48 | sansaway | !tell invictus about dpkg |
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| 15:33.23 | bjenkins | dpkg, i think the troll metaphor is from fishing. driving slowly across the surface of the water, trailing a lure with a hook in it... |
| 15:33.24 | dpkg | bjenkins: what are you talking about? |
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| 15:33.39 | bjenkins | troll |
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| 15:33.53 | sansaway | invictus, apt-get in short can do more than dpkg, e.g. fetch the files for You, while with dpkg You have to get them yourself. (please correct me, if necessary) |
| 15:33.55 | bjenkins | trolling is a kind of fishing |
| 15:33.55 | suifur | bjenkins, dpkg is a bot... |
| 15:34.02 | bjenkins | ah |
| 15:34.05 | suifur | lol |
| 15:34.08 | sanitarium | hehe i added 2.2.22 and i wanted 2.2.20 |
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| 15:34.17 | bjenkins | he needs to be edited |
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| 15:34.43 | Cristina | bye bye |
| 15:34.44 | Thumann | Hi guys... |
| 15:34.52 | cat | Thumann: hello |
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| 15:35.00 | invictus | sansaway; so they have several similar features, but they both have their differences? |
| 15:35.09 | sanitarium | one more i need to edit my sources .. is there a command i can use |
| 15:35.28 | caphuso | sanitarium: apt-setup |
| 15:35.29 | cat | sanitarium: nano /etc/apt/sources.list to edit the sources list |
| 15:35.42 | sanitarium | and i grabbed debian and it gave me gnome1.4 is gnome 2.0 out yet? |
| 15:35.48 | sanso | invictus, not really. hmm.. say, dpkg is a - small - part of apt-get.. |
| 15:35.49 | Cristina | ola hay por ay ke hable español |
| 15:35.57 | cat | Cristina: que necesitas? |
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| 15:36.18 | cat | oh boy |
| 15:36.20 | invictus | sanso; so apt-get has all the features of dpkg? |
| 15:36.27 | cat | Cristina: #debian-es |
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| 15:36.33 | simonrvn | invictus: apt-get uses dpkg as a backend |
| 15:36.37 | PerfDave | invictus: No, apt-get is a tool written on top of dpkg |
| 15:36.39 | Thumann | hmm... all sounds are placed in a queue on the dsp device... so.. if i'm listening to a mp3 or something.. and something else uses sound.. it's queued... and when i stop the song... all hell breaks loose... hehe.. any ideas? |
| 15:36.39 | invictus | aha |
| 15:36.42 | invictus | I understand |
| 15:36.43 | NawPIX | Hi does anyone know what version of clib6 sarge has got/ |
| 15:36.46 | simonrvn | invictus: apt-get is a front-end |
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| 15:36.55 | cat | !info clib6 |
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| 15:36.57 | JoaoMarcus | and there is a port of apt to rpm |
| 15:36.59 | PerfDave | Thumann: Use ALSA and dmix to mix sound in software? |
| 15:37.16 | sanso | simonrvn, PerfDave, thanks :-) |
| 15:37.21 | sanitarium | is there a new gnome? |
| 15:37.30 | NawPIX | Does Sarge have the latest version of the GNU C libraries/ |
| 15:37.36 | caphuso | NawPIX: http://packages.debian.org/ |
| 15:37.38 | simonrvn | sanso: eh? |
| 15:37.40 | NawPIX | woody didnt, thats why the question |
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| 15:37.54 | sanso | simonrvn, for explaining apt-get/dpkg better than I could :-) |
| 15:37.57 | caphuso | and the thing is called libc6, not clib6 |
| 15:38.02 | directhex|work | NawPIX, define 'latest version' |
| 15:38.04 | simonrvn | oh, ok |
| 15:38.06 | NawPIX | sorry caphuso |
| 15:38.06 | directhex|work | !info libc6 sarge |
| 15:38.10 | dpkg | libc6: (GNU C Library: Shared libraries and Timezone data), section base, is required. Version: 2.3.2.ds1-20 (sarge), Packaged size: 4776 kB, Installed size: 15544 kB |
| 15:38.15 | greycat | NawPIX: sarge will satisfy your cravings and fulfill your deepest urges. |
| 15:38.18 | NawPIX | what about woody? |
| 15:38.19 | greycat | NawPIX: just do it. |
| 15:38.30 | NawPIX | i heard woody is older |
| 15:38.33 | incorrect | have there been any updates on the progress towards sarge being stable? |
| 15:38.36 | directhex|work | !d-i NawPIX |
| 15:38.36 | NawPIX | is that right? |
| 15:38.37 | dpkg | NawPIX, you want to go to http://www.debian.org/devel/debian-installer/ - for your own good, and everyone else's. |
| 15:38.37 | greycat | !TELL NawPIX ABOUT PDO |
| 15:38.42 | simonrvn | greycat: o_O |
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| 15:39.09 | suifur | NawPIX, it will even sexually please you if you can fit your dick through the hole in the cd |
| 15:39.20 | petemc | ... |
| 15:39.22 | NawPIX | really suifur? have you tried it before |
| 15:39.24 | jethro | webuser: do *NOT* request a ctcp chat, it's the same as /msg'ing me and I don't want it |
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| 15:39.34 | suifur | NawPIX, nope, but it sounded good |
| 15:39.40 | suifur | might chafe though |
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| 15:39.48 | greycat | you'd want a LOT of lube. |
| 15:39.51 | NawPIX | well, urs might fit thru |
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| 15:39.56 | abrotman | !ur |
| 15:39.56 | dpkg | Ur is the ancient Sumerian city that dominated Mesopotamia from 6000 BC to 600 BC. If you mean "you are" or "your", just say so. Also swedish for clock, and a swedish word meaning "from within". a german prefix for refering to something very old |
| 15:40.02 | suifur | NawPIX, it was a joke, im not ragging on you lol |
| 15:40.03 | azreal | NawPIX is Rob_Sysman, wasnt he supposed to be involved in a 24+ hour download right now on his shitty internet connection? |
| 15:40.13 | NawPIX | yeah exactly |
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| 15:40.41 | jethro | webuser: welcome to /dev/null, feel free to meet Melsen there |
| 15:40.44 | suifur | lmao |
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| 15:42.16 | sanitarium | im turning to setup nvidia |
| 15:42.26 | resiak | !tell sanitarium -about nvidia one-liner |
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| 15:43.19 | webuser | I'll need some help setting up my wireless. I've done apt-get install ipw2100-source now |
| 15:43.46 | greycat | webuser: apt-get install module-assistant && man m-a |
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| 15:44.15 | jethro | webuser: 16:30:40 jethro | webuser: once it's installed, you `cd /usr/share/doc/ipw2100-source/` 16:30:46 jethro | webuser: and read teh fine documentation |
| 15:44.16 | WiFiTux | abrotman: Dell got another one out.. |
| 15:44.23 | abrotman | boo hiss |
| 15:44.27 | abrotman | !lart dell |
| 15:44.35 | suifur | what about dell? |
| 15:44.39 | abrotman | dell sucks |
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| 15:44.44 | directhex|work | !dell |
| 15:44.45 | dpkg | [dell] a wonderful company that makes very wonderful laptops, but also some extremely bad laptops. For new ISOs to boot your Dell server, look at http://oregonstate.edu/~kveton/debian/, or the worst company you could ever do business with |
| 15:44.45 | suifur | oh right |
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| 15:45.00 | WiFiTux | they do, but take out market products faster |
| 15:45.01 | petemc | feh, im happy enough with dell |
| 15:45.03 | jethro | dpkg should tell which are shitty laptops |
| 15:45.04 | dpkg | jethro: what are you talking about? |
| 15:45.07 | greycat | note that the "new ISOs" in that factoid means "newer than woody" |
| 15:45.09 | jethro | dpkg: nm |
| 15:45.09 | dpkg | hmm... nm is New Maintainer, the process through which new Debian developers happen. And also nevermind, or a program to list symbols from object files and libs. Never\No Mind. New Mexico No Molestes (do not disturb) in spanish. at http://nm.debian.org/ |
| 15:45.12 | suifur | abrotman, what laptop brand would you recommend? |
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| 15:45.28 | abrotman | suifur: i like my IBM ThinkPad |
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| 15:45.37 | mixter | hi! i'd like to start a program right after bootup at tty1, as root, without having to login. how could i setup that? i tried to add the program in /etc/inittab, but it didn't really workout |
| 15:45.37 | greycat | suifur: Apple comes to mind. |
| 15:45.49 | jethro | apple is cool but has shitty shipping |
| 15:45.54 | abrotman | apple store! |
| 15:46.00 | greycat | mixter: also comment out the getty on tty1, so they don't collide. |
| 15:46.01 | Lee__ | fujitsu lifebook |
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| 15:46.09 | sanny | ok rejoined |
| 15:46.10 | ReclusE | how do I mount an existing partition on a hard drive from another machine? |
| 15:46.12 | sanny | resiak: \ |
| 15:46.16 | mixter | greycat: should that work? |
| 15:46.19 | greycat | mixter: and throw in "</dev/tty >&0 2>&1" and so on. You know. Standard stuff. |
| 15:46.20 | suifur | abrotman, ok, because i don't any laptops and was just curious, but apple was what id been considering |
| 15:46.24 | resiak | sanny: | |
| 15:46.24 | sanny | can you do that one-liner thing again |
| 15:46.27 | suifur | own* |
| 15:46.32 | greycat | mixter: if you have to ask, YOU ARE IN WAAAAAAY THE FUCK OVER YOUR HEAD AND YOU SHOULD NOT BE DOING THIS. |
| 15:46.34 | abrotman | suifur: i like my thinkpad a lot |
| 15:46.39 | caphuso | sanny: /msg dpkg nvidia one-liner |
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| 15:46.53 | abrotman | suifur: check www.linux-laptop.net .. poke around for stuff that is well supported |
| 15:47.00 | sanny | thanx guys |
| 15:47.01 | suifur | abrotman, thanks much |
| 15:47.20 | WiFiTux | abrotman: ok, back now in irssi, yeah tghey released this cool one... all PCI_E stuff and all that. |
| 15:47.34 | jethro | :) |
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| 15:47.51 | Indal | hmm when a user hits the radius to log in, what exactly is sent i.e. when the packets are accepted, how could a packet sent have 0 session length? |
| 15:47.56 | jethro | sounds like this one works better |
| 15:48.00 | samuel_ | hello all |
| 15:48.13 | resiak | !beer jethro |
| 15:48.34 | sanny | eno: Couldn't find package nvidia-kernel-source |
| 15:48.49 | greycat | !info nvidia-kernel-source sid |
| 15:48.51 | dpkg | nvidia-kernel-source: (NVIDIA binary kernel module source), section non-free/x11, is optional. Version: 1.0.6629+1-1 (sid), Packaged size: 1211 kB, Installed size: 1248 kB |
| 15:48.56 | greycat | !+info nvidia-kernel-source sarge |
| 15:48.57 | abrotman | WiFiTux: i would never buy a dell |
| 15:48.58 | dpkg | Package 'nvidia-kernel-source' does not exist. |
| 15:49.04 | resiak | sanny: Read the end of the factoid. |
| 15:49.06 | directhex|work | sanny, did you follow either the instructions about needing contrib && non-free or the needing sid sources? |
| 15:49.09 | greycat | Wow, imagine that. The factoid actually told the truth. |
| 15:49.24 | directhex|work | resiak, any ETA on it going back into sarge? |
| 15:49.25 | sanny | thats my next question |
| 15:49.26 | resiak | greycat: I've contacted the maintainer about it. He's working on it. |
| 15:49.32 | resiak | directhex|work: Nope. He never re-responded. |
| 15:49.47 | sanny | do i use apt-setup to add these mirrors |
| 15:49.48 | WiFiTux | abrotman: me either. But they release new products very fast. |
| 15:50.10 | directhex|work | !contrib |
| 15:50.10 | dpkg | hmm... contrib is debian packages that are free, but depend on non-free packages |
| 15:50.12 | mixter | greycat: i wasn't adding the redirections when i tested. i'll try that now... that why i couldn't get it to work... i don't think i'm WAAAAY over my head... |
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| 15:50.50 | incorrect | is there a way to stop docs being installed? |
| 15:50.57 | abrotman | WiFiTux: so does gentoo |
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| 15:51.11 | resiak | incorrect: If they're a part of the main package, no. If they're in a seperate package, sure: don't install them. |
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| 15:51.26 | directhex|work | !non-free sources is edit /etc/apt/sources.list, ensure that the two main debian mirror lines end with "main contrib non-free" rather than just "main", then apt-get update |
| 15:51.26 | dpkg | okay, directhex|work |
| 15:51.38 | samuel | ive a rather odd problem... i switched from cable to dsl... but now ftp and email dont work. they seem to stall alot and never finish... i have a router behind the dsl modem... any ideas? |
| 15:51.38 | incorrect | resiak, oh well |
| 15:52.08 | directhex|work | samuel, probably bad DNS details being received by DHCP. i had similar issues once |
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| 15:52.09 | sanny | ok im lost a little |
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| 15:52.35 | directhex|work | !tell sanny about non-free sources |
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| 15:52.46 | WiFiTux | abrotman: gentoo? hahah |
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| 15:52.49 | resiak | !tell sanny about quick sid/sarge mix |
| 15:52.53 | resiak | sanny: Do them in that order |
| 15:52.55 | abrotman | WiFiTux: i wasn't joking... |
| 15:53.03 | incorrect | anyone here know of a comparison between mod_jk load balancing and a front end http load balancer? |
| 15:53.03 | sanny | thanx again |
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| 15:54.02 | webuser | how can i get the firmware version of Intel? PRO/Wireless 2100 Driver Firmware |
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| 15:54.24 | ReclusE | how do I get my system to recognize a new drive with existing partitions? |
| 15:54.31 | incorrect | webuser, you can get it from their web site, |
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| 15:54.45 | resiak | ReclusE: Put it in. |
| 15:54.49 | ReclusE | I did |
| 15:54.54 | WiFiTux | abrotman: right. I know. I got my IBM (on it' way) and I will never get a Dell again. |
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| 15:54.55 | resiak | ReclusE: man fstab |
| 15:54.59 | resiak | ReclusE: man mount |
| 15:55.00 | Ronin | ahh nothing like installing debian on a government laptop without telling anyone |
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| 15:55.05 | abrotman | WiFiTux: good deal |
| 15:55.08 | greycat | ReclusE: man fdisk |
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| 15:55.50 | resiak | It appears not. |
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| 15:55.56 | resiak | Or perhaps! |
| 15:56.00 | googo | hello everyone |
| 15:56.14 | WiFiTux | abrotman: IBM released the T43 already, and should ship out by march. |
| 15:56.15 | resiak | /msg SweeTGirLS Hi, you appear to be having problems using IRC. May I help? |
| 15:56.19 | SweeTGirLS | hi |
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| 15:56.25 | abrotman | WiFiTux: i saw |
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| 15:56.31 | Kerr | nyeh? |
| 15:56.41 | Kerr | apt-get remove portmap wants me to install packages... |
| 15:56.48 | greycat | such as? |
| 15:56.53 | Kerr | galeon |
| 15:56.56 | greycat | hah |
| 15:57.07 | greycat | how about an "apt-get -f install" first? |
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| 15:57.14 | Kerr | good plan |
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| 15:57.31 | googo | I want to install php4 but i don't konw how to work .help me |
| 15:57.35 | Kerr | 0 upgraded, 0 newly installed, 0 to remove and 6 not upgraded. |
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| 15:57.57 | greycat | SweeTGirLS: please stop flooding and getting kicked. |
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| 15:58.24 | greycat | spymaster spammed me. |
| 15:58.30 | FieldySnuts | t-dialin wankers |
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| 15:58.45 | fusibou | SweeTGirLS don't paste stuff in |
| 15:58.50 | greycat | there we go. |
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| 15:58.57 | azreal | wtf? |
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| 15:59.01 | FieldySnuts | @lart SweeTGirLS |
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| 15:59.09 | heyciao | hi |
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| 15:59.13 | FieldySnuts | hi |
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| 15:59.24 | directhex|work | y helo thar! |
| 15:59.25 | san | damn internet just failed |
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| 15:59.34 | FieldySnuts | you broked the intarnet? |
| 15:59.39 | Kerr | lol |
| 15:59.40 | fatal_ | :( |
| 15:59.49 | directhex|work | FieldySnuts, do you have that backup on LTO? |
| 16:00.11 | san | ok i read what you guys said i need to add sid/sarge where do get sources.list so i can add them |
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| 16:00.19 | Kerr | there are a whole bunch of things running in my new sarge install, that weren't there in my last one. |
| 16:00.21 | heyciao | I have sun j2se-1.4.2_04 Netbeans bundle installed and working on my system. how can I tell it to apt? He does not let me to download and install eclipse |
| 16:00.27 | FieldySnuts | directhex|work: ? |
| 16:00.43 | directhex|work | FieldySnuts, the intarweb. you DO have a backup, right? |
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| 16:01.03 | directhex|work | !tell san about quick sid/sarge mix |
| 16:01.03 | FieldySnuts | yeah on my floppee drive (usb) |
| 16:01.38 | directhex|work | --- Received a DCC CHAT offer from googo |
| 16:01.45 | LSorensen | heyciao: simplest and best is to use make-jpjg to create .deb's from the sun files |
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| 16:01.53 | LSorensen | heyciao: er make-jpkg |
| 16:01.56 | fusibou | heyciao i think you need to fool debian into thinking it has its own java installed; google for debian and java |
| 16:02.00 | LSorensen | jhey: from java-pacakge |
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| 16:02.10 | LSorensen | heyciao: er java-package |
| 16:02.18 | LSorensen | dpkg: info java-package |
| 16:02.20 | dpkg | java-package: (utility for building Java(TM) 2 related Debian packages), section contrib/misc, is optional. Version: 0.19 (sid), Packaged size: 16 kB, Installed size: 252 kB |
| 16:02.20 | san | ok i have no sarge in sources only stable |
| 16:02.24 | quittt | what is that? shpchp: acpi_shpchprm:get_device PCI ROOT HID fail=0x5 |
| 16:02.25 | quittt | pciehp: acpi_pciehprm:\_SB_.PCI0 evaluate _BBN fail=0x5 |
| 16:02.25 | quittt | pciehp: acpi_pciehprm:get_device PCI ROOT HID fail=0x5 |
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| 16:02.45 | san | deb http://ftp.de.debian.org/debian/ stable main non-free contrib ... like this |
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| 16:02.54 | directhex|work | san, you're on woody? you're shitting me |
| 16:02.55 | directhex|work | -_- |
| 16:03.03 | quittt | directhex, what is that?? |
| 16:03.06 | quittt | do you know? |
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| 16:03.15 | directhex|work | quitte, looks ACPI related |
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| 16:03.32 | LSorensen | quittt: maybe your acpi implementation in the bios is broken/buggy |
| 16:03.32 | samuel__ | directhex|work, ok, its really annoying... is there anything i can do about that |
| 16:03.33 | Kerr | what is S20xprint ? |
| 16:03.54 | heyciao | make-jpkg I have but it does not work: no plugin matches |
| 16:03.56 | LSorensen | Kerr: probably a script to start xprint (used by mozilla and some other X programs for printing) |
| 16:03.57 | samuel__ | directhex|work, it disconnects from messenger services, IRC, etc... |
| 16:04.06 | san | directhex seems so |
| 16:04.11 | Kerr | i don't; nor will i have have a printer on this pc ~.~ |
| 16:04.13 | directhex|work | samuel, check your /etc/resolv.conf, see if it looks funny |
| 16:04.18 | san | brand new install |
| 16:04.30 | LSorensen | heyciao: you run it with the .bin you downloaded from sun |
| 16:04.30 | san | gnome 1.4 |
| 16:04.43 | san | xchat 1.8.9 |
| 16:04.44 | directhex|work | san, yes. woody. 2002. |
| 16:04.52 | directhex|work | !woody hardware support |
| 16:04.52 | dpkg | somebody said woody hardware support was firmly rooted around its freeze date - January 2002. It won't support new graphics cards (Geforce 4 or higher), disk controllers (Serial ATA), disks over 137Gb (LBA48), sound cards (nForce2), ethernet (e100, forcedeth), etc. Just run Sarge. |
| 16:05.12 | san | how do i change it |
| 16:05.13 | san | ? |
| 16:05.28 | fusibou | Kerr see if you have /etc/init.d/xprint if so you can either remove xprint using apt-get or you can temporarily disable it by first doing /etc/init.d/./xprint stop then moving /etc/init.d/xprint to /etc/init.d/DISABLED_xprint |
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| 16:05.49 | ReclusE | I'm having some trouble getting a hard drive mounted, I have it in fstab but when I try to mount it I get an error telling me there's either a wrong FS, bad option, bad superblock etc.... |
| 16:05.52 | san | is there an iso of sarge then |
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| 16:06.05 | directhex|work | !woody desktop is not worth your time, or our time. You'll come back, and demand to know why everything's 'so oooold' and why you're on a 2.2 kernel. Please, for the love of god, don't run Woody on a desktop. "/msg dpkg d-i me" or "/msg dpkg woody->sarge" should make you feel better. |
| 16:06.05 | dpkg | directhex|work: okay |
| 16:06.05 | san | i thought i had latest debian |
| 16:06.08 | LSorensen | heyciao: ie: fakeroot make-jpkg j2sdk-1_4_2_06-linux-i586.bin |
| 16:06.26 | directhex|work | san, you have debian woody (3.0), as released in mid 2002. |
| 16:06.28 | LSorensen | san: woody is the latest 'stable' release. |
| 16:06.37 | san | oh ok |
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| 16:06.42 | LSorensen | san: sarge is the 'testing' release which will become the next stable release |
| 16:06.45 | ReclusE | <PROTECTED> |
| 16:06.51 | heyciao | LSorensen: yes, that's what I did. But i didn't work |
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| 16:06.53 | directhex|work | san, debian sarge, 3.1, is nearing release, is 'modern', and is a damn sight more stable than most linux distributions |
| 16:06.57 | san | so i need to change it |
| 16:06.58 | fusibou | ReclusE can you mount it from the command line ie. mount /dev/hd? /mnt/whatever |
| 16:07.00 | family | sup |
| 16:07.07 | LSorensen | ReclusE: does it have a fielsystem on it? did you use the right filesystem type in fstab? |
| 16:07.15 | LSorensen | heyciao: works here (running sarge) |
| 16:07.20 | san | directhex|work: how do i get it |
| 16:07.24 | LSorensen | heyciao: which version of make-kpkg? |
| 16:07.27 | ReclusE | when I try to mount it from the command line that is what I get (see previous) |
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| 16:07.31 | samuel | directhex|work, see? i cant do anything for long! |
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| 16:07.40 | directhex|work | san, do you want a clean format (recommended by me if you have no important files yet), or an upgrade? |
| 16:07.43 | fusibou | ReclusE what command do you give |
| 16:07.43 | LSorensen | heyciao: make-jpkg --version |
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| 16:07.48 | san | and not bad first install of debian and its working except for 3d |
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| 16:07.52 | ReclusE | mount /dev/hdb1 |
| 16:08.04 | ReclusE | I have an entry in fstab as well |
| 16:08.07 | LSorensen | ReclusE: and what line is in fstab for it? |
| 16:08.10 | san | directhex|work: clean is fine .. no data on here yet |
| 16:08.15 | fusibou | ReclusE i mean mount it without using fstab; you need to specify both device and mount point |
| 16:08.16 | heyciao | Lsorensen:make-jpkg 0.19 |
| 16:08.26 | LSorensen | fusibou: mount with just one option should use fstab |
| 16:08.35 | LSorensen | heyciao: same here. what filename is your j2sdk and what filesize? |
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| 16:08.41 | fusibou | LSorensen yes i am trying to mount it WITHOUT using fstab to isolate the problem |
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| 16:09.01 | family | heelio |
| 16:09.01 | directhex|work | san, /msg dpkg d-i. download at least the 110mb net install iso, preferably CD1 of the full set. |
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| 16:09.13 | Knight101 | hello |
| 16:09.14 | ReclusE | "/dev/hdb1 /mnt/hdb ext3 defaults 0 0 |
| 16:09.20 | LSorensen | directhex|work: I would say preferably download just the netinstall |
| 16:09.33 | LSorensen | ReclusE: which kernel are you running? |
| 16:09.36 | directhex|work | LSorensen, there are reasons to get the full thing. |
| 16:09.36 | ReclusE | woody |
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| 16:09.45 | LSorensen | directhex|work: I can't think of any good ones |
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| 16:09.51 | fusibou | so much for the scientific method |
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| 16:09.55 | heyciao | j2sdk-1_4_2_04-nb-3_6-bin-linux.bin size=90.7 mb |
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| 16:09.59 | LSorensen | directhex|work: lots of stuff on cd1 no one needs :) |
| 16:10.02 | Morydd | is there a way to see what is using a specific module? |
| 16:10.06 | Kerr | is there any need to leave statd installed on a desktop/private ftp&sshserver machine? |
| 16:10.30 | LSorensen | heyciao: you don't want that one. it's old and has security problems. use j2sdk-1_4_2_06-linux-i586.bin (size 36417364) |
| 16:10.48 | LSorensen | heyciao: well unless you don't have an x86 |
| 16:10.53 | directhex|work | LSorensen, on its simplest level, cd1 has arch kernels, e.g. k7 |
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| 16:10.56 | san | http://ftp.acc.umu.se/pub/cd-images/debian-weekly/i386/ |
| 16:10.57 | space | why not just get 1.5.0_01? ;op |
| 16:11.01 | heyciao | yes i have |
| 16:11.04 | LSorensen | directhex|work: and netinstall can get that too I thought |
| 16:11.05 | Kerr | about fstab: isn't it a tad redundant to specify defaults, as by their very nature they should be there without being specified? |
| 16:11.13 | LSorensen | space: could do that too. |
| 16:11.17 | san | why is there like 14 choices .. do i just pick one |
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| 16:11.22 | directhex|work | LSorensen, not if i understand the manuals correctly |
| 16:11.25 | LSorensen | Kerr: SOMETHING must be in that field |
| 16:11.30 | Linux_Newbie | sup |
| 16:11.32 | Kerr | LSorensen: I know |
| 16:11.34 | heyciao | yes but... in sun also 1.5 is out |
| 16:11.36 | san | directhex | more |
| 16:11.37 | LSorensen | directhex|work: hmm, it used to. maybe they removed that feature |
| 16:11.37 | directhex|work | san, because there are 15 cds in the distribution. pick cd 1 |
| 16:11.49 | san | which one is net install |
| 16:11.50 | san | ? |
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| 16:11.55 | directhex|work | san, none of them. |
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| 16:11.58 | Kerr | i'm just a luser nitpicking at something i've no real knowledge of :) |
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| 16:12.03 | heyciao | but i tried some version and only 1.4.2_04 plugin worked in mozilla! |
| 16:12.16 | san | * netinst CD image, with Debian base ? this one |
| 16:12.25 | directhex|work | san, that smells like a net install cd to me |
| 16:12.27 | dvs | san: Disk 1 |
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| 16:12.42 | Linux_Newbie | just get net_install |
| 16:12.44 | LSorensen | san: that's the one |
| 16:12.49 | Kerr | san: in my experience netinstall for a desktop is a pain. |
| 16:12.50 | Linux_Newbie | i used sarge's net_install |
| 16:12.53 | dvs | san: Actually, none of them are the net install. |
| 16:12.55 | san | ok will get it on machine with burner |
| 16:13.00 | nir- | hi... how i can remove KDE from debian ? |
| 16:13.09 | directhex|work | !remove kde |
| 16:13.10 | dpkg | remove kde is probably apt-get --purge remove kdelibs3 kdelibs4 (or ask me about "install kde") |
| 16:13.14 | Daaaani | i'm trying to install nvidia drivers but i can't get x workin coz i'm mission GLCORE and i can't find it... a litle help maybe? |
| 16:13.28 | directhex|work | Daaaani, you're using nvidia-installer arehn't you |
| 16:14.03 | Daaaani | havn't tryd that i use "apt-get install nvidia-glx" |
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| 16:14.17 | gehel | I got a problem with tomcat4.1 : when starting /admin I get "java.lang.IllegalArgumentException: Chemin de ressource TLD /WEB-INF/lib/struts.jar invalide" |
| 16:14.17 | nir- | thanks |
| 16:14.19 | directhex|work | !tell Daaaani about nvidia one-liner |
| 16:14.21 | heyciao | LSorensen: but why mke-jpkg did not work? It let me think it will not work with the new version. Maybe because netbeans is bundled in? |
| 16:14.23 | gehel | any idea ? |
| 16:14.27 | san | http://www.debian.org/devel/debian-installer/ |
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| 16:14.58 | Kerr | imo though regular install takes more time downloading, you don't need to be watching it, clicking away at ugly blue console windows. with netinstall it's whilst-you-watch, which ultimatley wastes time, if you're only going to install gigabytes of packages anyway. So, unless you're after a barebones server, netinstall is an ugly waste of (human) time. |
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| 16:15.01 | gehel | I checked that struts.jar exists, it is a symlink to the actual file but it is there |
| 16:15.03 | sanitarium | ok ty all off to get iso |
| 16:15.07 | FieldySnuts | ravenbird: any ideas? |
| 16:15.08 | sanitarium | woody rulz |
| 16:15.09 | ravenbird | Yeah, I have an idea! But I'll need a bag of condoms, a little thermal paste, and a handful of three-legged weasels. And keep the cops off my back for the next few minutes! |
| 16:15.10 | sanitarium | hehe |
| 16:15.28 | tamara | hola |
| 16:15.30 | nir- | another question... can i d/k JVM with apt ? |
| 16:15.36 | nir- | d/l |
| 16:15.44 | directhex|work | Kerr, and with sarge, every single package you install off the cd will need to be upgraded anyway, soooo... |
| 16:15.44 | sanitarium | thats a fast mirror .... |
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| 16:16.00 | Kerr | sanitarium: woody rules the debian retirement home with an iron, arthritic fist? |
| 16:16.07 | directhex|work | nir-, the sun java runtime environment? with apt, yes, from debian, no. |
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| 16:16.28 | tamara | yes |
| 16:16.44 | tatperfectly4u | hi room |
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| 16:16.54 | scarynetworkguy | !room |
| 16:16.54 | dpkg | CHANNEL! |
| 16:17.18 | pingouin | what can make an umount /mnt/scsix wich is on an scsi drive nerver get the prompt back ? |
| 16:17.18 | Kerr | directhex|work: last time i installed sarge it was some six or seven hours after the weekly was made available, afaik. I'm just comparing install time between it with 3cds, and a single-cd netinstall on a near identical system two weeks back. |
| 16:17.23 | LSorensen | heyciao: it only supports certain versions as far as I know, and your filename doesn't match anything I have ever seen before |
| 16:17.38 | LSorensen | heyciao: where did you get that file and what architecture is it for? |
| 16:17.47 | pingouin | and if i open another sheell to check it's effectivly unmounted, but never get back the prompt ?! |
| 16:18.47 | fusibou | pingouin what happens if you try to sync rather than umount |
| 16:18.58 | Kerr | is there any need to leave statd installed on a desktop/private ftp&sshserver machine? |
| 16:19.09 | heyciao | java.sun.com linux, x86 architecture, it includes NetBeans Ide in it. I will try to download j2se and netbeans in two separate .bin |
| 16:19.11 | LSorensen | pingouin: try ps aux|grep mount, and see if mount is stuck in state D or something |
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| 16:19.32 | LSorensen | heyciao: I always just got j2re and j2sdk. it might not support netbeans yet |
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| 16:20.06 | pingouin | LSorensen: yeap : D (which means ?) |
| 16:20.08 | LSorensen | heyciao: hmm, the man page says: works with j2re and j2sdk 1.3, 1.4 and 1.5 |
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| 16:20.18 | LSorensen | pingouin: uninteruptable waiting for IO |
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| 16:20.25 | heyciao | so ihave to download j2se and stop. |
| 16:20.30 | LSorensen | pingouin: usually: waiting for disk io |
| 16:20.40 | LSorensen | heyciao: it will make debian believe you have java |
| 16:21.02 | LSorensen | heyciao: the netbeans you can probably deal with yourself |
| 16:21.14 | pingouin | LSorensen: what 'im supose to do ? to solve this freeze D, and to avoid it for the future umount /blah/scsi ? |
| 16:21.20 | heyciao | ok thank you a lot see you when i'll finish to set it up |
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| 16:22.11 | Kerr | i have java, debian is stupid. It was £2 for a 227g bag and i don't see the hype, douwe egburts grade 4 tastes better. |
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| 16:22.26 | ReclusE | LSorensen: I was able to mount the drive from the command line, thx |
| 16:22.38 | webuser | I do i apply/install a firmware ? |
| 16:22.44 | kikoo_ | Which command make invert colum <---> raw ? |
| 16:22.54 | ^Willie^ | who have an url for debian update to kernel 2.6.x |
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| 16:23.04 | Rockj | hi |
| 16:23.07 | Kerr | nvz: yeah, was pretty old. |
| 16:23.09 | Noid | in what package is debian/rules located? and how do i go on about finding these kind of things? |
| 16:23.10 | nvz | ^Willie^: are you using woody? |
| 16:23.13 | Rockj | I have downloaded latest netinstall image |
| 16:23.15 | ^Willie^ | yes |
| 16:23.19 | Kerr | nvz: someone should take away my lone karma point or something |
| 16:23.22 | Rockj | thing is, I'm having a problem after it reboots |
| 16:23.23 | ^Willie^ | it still come with the old 2.2.20 :/ |
| 16:23.25 | nvz | ^Willie^: why do you _need_ 2.6? |
| 16:23.27 | Rockj | it always install Grub |
| 16:23.28 | LSorensen | noid: debian/rules is in every source package (and is specific to that source package) |
| 16:23.31 | Rockj | even if I want it to install lilo |
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| 16:23.36 | nvz | ^Willie^: comes with 2.2.20 and 2.4.18 on the cd |
| 16:23.38 | ^Willie^ | i want 2.6 it is faster |
| 16:23.39 | Rockj | because my computer doesn't boot with grub :S |
| 16:23.42 | dvs | ^Willie^: 2.6 won't work on woody (3.0) |
| 16:23.47 | nvz | ^Willie^: no its not |
| 16:23.49 | Noid | LSorensen: oh, then i have to revise some concepts, thanks |
| 16:23.55 | fusibou | ReclusE so what happens if you just do mount and nothing else |
| 16:23.57 | suifur | ^Willie^, use sarge |
| 16:24.00 | pingouin | LSorensen: i did something wrong maybe with kernel scsi module or so ? to have this IO wainting..waiting... ?! |
| 16:24.14 | LSorensen | ^Willie^: woody shipped with 2.2.20 and 2.4.18 (bf24) since those were current at the time it was released. |
| 16:24.16 | ^Willie^ | i'm an suse user normaly and must now use debian for my work but this is an hell |
| 16:24.20 | LSorensen | pingouin: which kernel version? |
| 16:24.25 | fusibou | ReclusE it should tell you what file system type it auto used to mount the drive |
| 16:24.27 | nvz | ^Willie^: you need to upgrade to sarge if you must use it. though I warn upgrading to new versions for non-specific reasons is not good |
| 16:24.29 | pingouin | LSorensen: 2.6.10 |
| 16:24.37 | nvz | ^Willie^: if its not broke dont fix it |
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| 16:24.38 | ^Willie^ | i can't install mozilla firefox without kde3 :/ |
| 16:24.45 | LSorensen | pingouin: could be a bug. maybe kernel was configured/built wrong |
| 16:24.45 | Morydd | is there a way to see what is using a specific module? |
| 16:24.54 | suifur | firefox doesn't depend on kde3... |
| 16:25.06 | nvz | no it sure doesnt |
| 16:25.06 | ^Willie^ | it is not run on default deb install |
| 16:25.15 | pingouin | LSorensen: build by myself...not a proof of success sure |
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| 16:25.18 | suifur | nvz, thank the higher power for that |
| 16:25.21 | ^Willie^ | missing some depend`s |
| 16:25.26 | LSorensen | pingouin: could try debian's 2.6.10 build. |
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| 16:25.37 | resiak | ^Willie^: What are you on? |
| 16:25.39 | suifur | !VAGUENESS |
| 16:25.39 | dpkg | VAGUENESS MAKES THE BABY JESUS CRY! |
| 16:25.44 | LSorensen | pingouin: using debian or kernel.org sources? |
| 16:25.47 | Kerr | rofl |
| 16:25.47 | ^Willie^ | debian 3.0 r2 |
| 16:25.54 | nvz | ^Willie^: is english your first language, and are you old enough to use a pc without adult supervision? |
| 16:25.56 | LSorensen | ^Willie^: current stable is 3.0r4 |
| 16:25.58 | pingouin | LSorensen: kernel.org |
| 16:26.03 | resiak | ^Willie^: That wasn't really what I meant. |
| 16:26.06 | Rockj | *pokes* |
| 16:26.12 | LSorensen | pingouin: debian includes many patches to fix bugs they have found |
| 16:26.12 | Rockj | anyone wanna help me regarding sarge install? |
| 16:26.15 | ^Willie^ | nvz: better ask your self |
| 16:26.17 | Rockj | using netinstall image? |
| 16:26.29 | resiak | Rockj: Ask a question, and we'll try. |
| 16:26.34 | LSorensen | pingouin: it may be something already fixed in 2.6.11's sources or in debian's sources assuming it's a bug |
| 16:26.38 | Rockj | as after the computer automatic reboots it doesn't boot. because it always installs grub :S |
| 16:26.42 | ^Willie^ | first cd download other stuff from ftp |
| 16:26.47 | Rockj | even if I clicked the option for installing lilo |
| 16:26.54 | Kerr | is there any need to leave statd installed on a desktop/private ftp&sshserver machine? |
| 16:26.54 | pingouin | LSorensen: thx for you help |
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| 16:26.54 | directhex|work | !tell williw about woody desktop |
| 16:26.57 | LSorensen | pingouin: 2.6.10 added new checks to disk io which broke cd burning for many people and other things, so you may be hit by a related problem |
| 16:26.59 | suifur | ^Willie^, well we're pretty sure nvz is, we're just checking if you are |
| 16:27.00 | Rockj | I used test version.. |
| 16:27.19 | Weems | Can I install another Linux distro from inside debian, and if i can i would like to know how, sorry I am a newbie at doing these kinds of things |
| 16:27.20 | webuser | I'm following some hints given here. Downloaded firmware for ipw2100. How do i apply/install the firmware ? any help |
| 16:27.27 | ^Willie^ | i just come for some suppor tto update debian and not get again some kernel panic |
| 16:27.37 | ^Willie^ | support |
| 16:27.39 | directhex|work | bah |
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| 16:27.44 | LSorensen | Weems: depends on theinstaller available in the other distribution. you can install debian from another linux using debootstrap. |
| 16:27.48 | directhex|work | !tell ^Willie^ about woody desktop |
| 16:27.59 | scarynetworkguy | webuser: Read the readme that came with the firmware and do what it says. |
| 16:28.04 | nvz | tell him about communication skills |
| 16:28.05 | Rockj | resiak: any idea? |
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| 16:28.20 | fusibou | Rockj whats wrong with grub? grub is friendly |
| 16:28.32 | resiak | Rockj: Grub is a good thing... What do you mean, it doesn't boot? |
| 16:28.33 | Rockj | resiak: feel it's odd that the computer just reboots when it said 82% of installing kernel thing after I choosed that |
| 16:28.48 | Rockj | then it reboots, and it gives me error 15 |
| 16:28.54 | LSorensen | Rockj: maybe you have defective hardware |
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| 16:29.13 | Rockj | LSorensen: I've had debian on it before :S |
| 16:29.18 | resiak | Rockj: That sounds like something went wrong. Are you sure that your install CD was good? |
| 16:29.19 | webuser | I have read already, but nothing about applying or install |
| 16:29.20 | LSorensen | Rockj: doesn't mean it isn't defective |
| 16:29.21 | Rockj | but then I had to use floppy's :( |
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| 16:29.30 | Rockj | resiak: I use a net-install image.. |
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| 16:29.45 | Weems | LSorensen: i want to install a distrobution thats based on FC3, the url is www.blagblagblag.org, its a customized version of fedora |
| 16:29.46 | Rockj | because I had problem with the bootloader last time too :/ |
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| 16:29.56 | Kerr | my poor friend dual booted with XP, it ate grub when he finaly booted back into it. I know i could google me a boot disk, but is there a way to stop winbows from eating his mbr? |
| 16:29.59 | Rockj | and if I insert Fedora 3.0 it installs without problems |
| 16:30.01 | resiak | Rockj: That's not what I meant. Are you sure that your CD image was complete, and that the CD was burned properly? |
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| 16:30.25 | Rockj | resiak: downloaded .iso file and used burn image from nero. so yes. I see it as a working cd since the cd booted up |
| 16:30.35 | ethicsgradient | Hey, I've got a basic dell usb internet/multimedia keyboard and I'm trying to figure out what xkbmodel option is appropriate for it. Anyone have any ideas? On the web I can only find information about dell laptop multimedia keyboards.... |
| 16:30.40 | Rockj | and no errors reported after burn complete |
| 16:30.41 | dvs | Rockj: Did you use md5sum to check it |
| 16:30.52 | resiak | Rockj: I've had CDs boot and not be complete. |
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| 16:31.27 | insanekane | ethicsgradient: u mean u want to use all the wierd buttons etc on it ? |
| 16:31.29 | nvz | I have a question about bootloaders while we are on the subject... if someone installs linux on their hda and wants to take it out and put another drive in to install winders, then put linux back in as hdb, is that hard to setup, or is it just as simple as changing the root and boot options? |
| 16:31.35 | a-atwood | Rockj: cmp blah.iso /dev/cdrom |
| 16:31.50 | ethicsgradient | insanekane, yup |
| 16:31.57 | quitte | nvz and fstab |
| 16:31.57 | Rockj | a-atwood? oO |
| 16:32.01 | insanekane | ethicsgradient: in that case, you should look at Lineak ... its a package for this purpose ... i dont know whether it will support your keyboard .. but you can try it |
| 16:32.10 | ethicsgradient | insanekane, thanks, will do |
| 16:32.12 | a-atwood | do a binary compare of iso and cdrom device |
| 16:32.19 | insanekane | ethicsgradient: of course, you should check the websitees etc regarding this |
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| 16:32.27 | Rockj | dvs: no, never used md5sum to check stuffs. I've never had problems with stuff like this. |
| 16:32.42 | nvz | quitte: ah.. yes of course ;) |
| 16:32.43 | Rockj | thing is, I tried gentoo before. there I have a problem that it could'nt find the superblock something |
| 16:32.45 | a-atwood | Rockj: or floppy image and /dev/fd0 |
| 16:32.52 | nvz | quitte: I knew I was overlooking something |
| 16:32.56 | sanitarium | ok im burning net install for new install of sarge anything else i need to know before i start? |
| 16:33.01 | Rockj | so it diden't boot up correctly, so that's why I wanted to get back to debian |
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| 16:33.15 | resiak | !tell ^Willie^ -about d-i |
| 16:33.25 | a-atwood | Rockj: had hell installing debian due to crap floppy disks. took like 20 to get 6 good install disks. |
| 16:33.26 | ethicsgradient | insanekane, yes, I've been looking all morning. I've found help for other specific keyboards, but not the dell usb one. |
| 16:33.30 | fusibou | !md5sum |
| 16:33.30 | dpkg | from memory, md5sum is find / -type f -perm +0100 -not -path "/home/*" | xargs md5sum > sums, or see http://www.cis.ohio-state.edu/cgi-bin/rfc/rfc1321.html, or contained in package textutils |
| 16:33.38 | ethicsgradient | insanekane, Lineak...is that in apt somewhere? I can't find it. |
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| 16:33.49 | nvz | quitte: my cousin had Win2k lock up and had him stuck like chuck, he installed Sarge last night.. he wants to eventually make another windows install, I was just trying to think about how to do this.. as I have always installed windows before linux to aviod problems |
| 16:33.49 | Rockj | a-atwood: I'm using a CD. thing is, last time I was installing, I had to use floppy's to make it work :/ |
| 16:33.57 | Rockj | if I remember correctly, it was the same problem |
| 16:34.04 | Rockj | bootloader doesn't get correctly installed :( |
| 16:34.08 | quitte | nvz qemu ;) |
| 16:34.09 | Devi0s | I am getting segmentation errors when I start and stop postfix. Any ideas what this could be? |
| 16:34.24 | doublehp | I thought there vas a vhost package in SID, isnt it ? |
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| 16:34.45 | quitte | nvz but reinstalling a bootloader isnt that hard |
| 16:34.51 | nvz | quitte: he was asking about emulators. its a PII system not reall high-end so I dont think an emulator would do him any good |
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| 16:34.55 | insanekane | ethicsgradient: yes ... its in debian |
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| 16:34.58 | a-atwood | Rockj: had that problem a few times w/ Slack installs too. Just re-running lilo cured it. Just try runnig whatever the grub thing is. 8) |
| 16:35.12 | ethicsgradient | insanekane, heh, apt-get install lineak says it doesn't know about it. |
| 16:35.18 | Rockj | a-atwood: I don't get any console at bootup :/ |
| 16:35.21 | Rockj | just the error 15 |
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| 16:35.32 | nvz | quitte: yeah I just wasnt really sure what all to change if I took the linux that was hda out to install windows on hda by its self, then put linux back in as hdb afterwards |
| 16:35.38 | quitte | nvz well - vmware is great - and fast. i used it on a k6-2 and had no speed problems. only problem is missing 3d acceleration |
| 16:35.38 | Devi0s | I am getting Segmentation errors when I start and stop postfix. Any ideas what this could be? |
| 16:35.45 | a-atwood | Rockj: boot the cd, then chroot to the root partition. |
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| 16:35.54 | jyfletcher | Anyone here using mono on Debian? |
| 16:35.59 | Rockj | may I ask how to do it? |
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| 16:36.09 | insanekane | ethicsgradient: got it ? |
| 16:36.12 | Andax | i can't figure out how to tell /etc/syslog.conf that i want to see tcpd log messages outside syslog, heeelp :) |
| 16:36.20 | Rockj | but is it supposed to reboot right after it has downloaded/installed kernel image? |
| 16:36.27 | a-atwood | Rockj: aye. |
| 16:36.36 | nvz | quitte: well you have to share ram and other resouces.. not to mention they arent good for games that neeed access to the hw.. so its pretty much not worth emulating windows on linux in his case |
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| 16:36.43 | ethicsgradient | insanekane, yes, thanks |
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| 16:36.59 | quitte | nvz winex - cheap - and a lot of games supported |
| 16:37.03 | insanekane | ethicsgradient: ok, i thought you didnt get my private message :) best of luck ... |
| 16:37.07 | quittt | where do I configure the modules? |
| 16:37.11 | quitte | nvz sorry its cedega nowadays |
| 16:37.21 | nvz | quitte: it only works if you have a 3d card and linux dri setup.. |
| 16:37.30 | nvz | quitte: again, this is a PII |
| 16:37.38 | Rockj | a-atwood: oki. mind to explain fast how to chroot ? oO |
| 16:37.40 | quittt | where do I configure my modules?? hi quitte -=] |
| 16:37.40 | nvz | quitte: shitty old ati card I think onboard |
| 16:37.53 | quitte | nvz so? wine is almost as fast and in some cases faster than windows |
| 16:37.54 | Rockj | when using the cd? |
| 16:37.54 | nvz | quittt: modconf |
| 16:38.22 | fusibou | Rockj http://www.desktoplinux.com/cgi-bin/board/UltraBoard.pl?Action=ShowPost&Board=migration&Post=412&Idle=0&Sort=0&Order=Descend&Page=0&Session= |
| 16:38.23 | FieldySnuts | @fuck wine, if you need a shitty OS, just run it for real |
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| 16:38.37 | insanekane | FieldySnuts: :) |
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| 16:38.45 | nvz | quitte: cedega doesnt work at all unless you have dri drivers for the video card from what I understand.. the card being old onboard ATI means he cannot get dri and thus cannot run cedega from what I gather |
| 16:38.52 | quitte | nvz rage128 ? tht is what i would call shitty. newer atis should accelerate acceptable |
| 16:38.56 | a-atwood | Rockj: boot w/ rescue floppy or CD. then say "chroot /dev/hda1", or whatever your root partition name is. viola! you are now "running" from the hard drive |
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| 16:39.14 | quitte | nvz afaik you can get dri even with rage 128 |
| 16:39.15 | nvz | quitte: how many times do I have to say its a PII with onboard gfx :P |
| 16:39.35 | quitte | nvz onboard ati - sounds like rage to me. |
| 16:39.37 | Tearran | Im very low on CD's can I install sarge with just disk 1 and apt the rest that i may need later? |
| 16:39.44 | nvz | quitte: yeah its some rage chipset |
| 16:39.47 | juhov | tearran: yes |
| 16:39.49 | a-atwood | Tearran: aye |
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| 16:39.55 | Tearran | Thank you much |
| 16:40.13 | nvz | quitte: I got a PIII here with onboard nvidia and it works like shite with most games.. so I can just imagine what his much older rage card would do |
| 16:40.20 | ReclusE | can I mount a reiserfs filesystem? |
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| 16:40.42 | nvz | ReclusE: that depends on if you have a reiserfs module and if its loaded or if you have an autoloader |
| 16:41.00 | ReclusE | what is the module for? |
| 16:41.07 | Rockj | a-atwood: oki. ill try :) |
| 16:41.13 | fusibou | ReclusE its a driver |
| 16:41.25 | nvz | ReclusE: loadable kernel modules are to extend capabilities of the kernel.. its for the Filesystem driver |
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| 16:41.40 | Tearran | im comeing over from FC2 and use oh buger I think it ext3 file system what is recomended on sarge? |
| 16:41.40 | nvz | ReclusE: so the kernels block device primatives know how to read the filesystem |
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| 16:41.44 | ReclusE | like for raid? |
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| 16:41.58 | fusibou | Tearran same i believe |
| 16:42.02 | nvz | ReclusE: like for Reiser Filesystem which has nothing to do with raid |
| 16:42.03 | Tearran | thanks |
| 16:42.15 | Devi0s | I am getting Segmentation errors when I start and stop postfix. Any ideas what this could be? They keep popping up on the command line, interrupting what I am doing. very annoying. |
| 16:42.17 | quitte | nvz if it runs the monkeys,quake1-3,cs and ut i'd accept the performance. and i'm sure both machines can do that. |
| 16:42.18 | ReclusE | I see, can I load this module? and how? |
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| 16:42.31 | dvs | Devi0s: Bad memory? |
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| 16:42.49 | quitte | nvz in 640x480 |
| 16:43.01 | fusibou | ReclusE modprobe reiserfs |
| 16:43.14 | fusibou | ReclusE then add to /etc/modules |
| 16:43.35 | Devi0s | dvs: that's my opinion that I would like to confirm via popular opinion... just for the sake of playing devils advocate, anyone have any other ideas? |
| 16:43.40 | nvz | quitte: well this machine here is a PIII 733 ww/ 512mb ram and an nVidia Vanta LT and it doesnt even run native linux games like bzflag and stuff ant much better than 50fps.. it cannot even run bzflag 2.0 without completly disabling ALL gfx effects and textures to solid shaded vectors |
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| 16:43.44 | ReclusE | ok, will try |
| 16:43.48 | nvz | quitte: |
| 16:43.55 | dvs | Devi0s: Not right now. |
| 16:43.55 | culete | hola |
| 16:44.11 | nvz | quitte: his is a PII with like 128MB and an ATI Rage which I figure is worse |
| 16:44.33 | fusibou | !es |
| 16:44.33 | dpkg | Hispanohablantes: Por favor usen #debian-es, alli obtendran mas ayuda. Spanish Speakers: Please use #debian-es, there you will get much more help. |
| 16:44.49 | quitte | nvz i will try bzflag here on a p3 733 with s3 virge. |
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| 16:45.19 | fusibou | ReclusE out of curiosity, was that drive you were trying to mount with your fstab entry reiserfs and not ext3? |
| 16:45.19 | quitte | nvz is your nvidia card a tnt1? |
| 16:45.22 | Devi0s | dpkg Segmentation |
| 16:45.22 | dpkg | Devi0s: parse error: dunno what the heck you're talking about |
| 16:45.26 | Devi0s | dpkg Segmentation Fault |
| 16:45.26 | dpkg | well, segmentation fault is when the program takes a shit on you |
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| 16:45.44 | Rockj | a-atwood: hum, I pressed enter and then ALT+1 to get into console |
| 16:45.46 | dvs | ha! |
| 16:45.51 | Rockj | anyway, no SDA was listed in /dev :/ |
| 16:45.55 | Rockj | nor was HDA |
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| 16:46.00 | Rockj | (it's scsi) |
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| 16:46.04 | doublehp | what are the apt lines to install vhost ? |
| 16:46.34 | nvz | quitte: I'll show you what it says I think its cosidered a tnt2 |
| 16:46.57 | fusibou | Rockj sounds like you might be putting your grub/lilo on the wrong drive |
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| 16:47.17 | ReclusE | op, I did a modprobe reiserfs and the module was not found......now what? |
| 16:47.24 | BR_ | cry! |
| 16:47.26 | quittt | where is agpgart module? |
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| 16:47.36 | Rockj | fusibou: I only have one drive :S |
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| 16:47.39 | bjenkins | nvz, you have a tnt2 video card? |
| 16:47.49 | Rockj | fusibou: and now I was booting from the net-install cd |
| 16:48.30 | nvz | bjenkins: in this machine, its onboard |
| 16:48.39 | fusibou | ReclusE are you using a prepackaged kernel? |
| 16:48.42 | quitte | nvz runs ok. default options. looks like shit. |
| 16:48.48 | bjenkins | i have one too, and it's been giving me fits |
| 16:48.57 | nvz | quitte: VGA compatible controller: nVidia Corporation NV6 [Vanta/Vanta LT] |
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| 16:49.09 | ReclusE | fusibou: yes |
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| 16:49.12 | bjenkins | can't make the nvidia driver work, cant make rivafb work |
| 16:49.17 | fusibou | Rockj i meant your original problem booting off your hard disk ie. that grub/lilo was not put onto your scsi drive ie. /dev/sdsomething |
| 16:49.32 | directhex|work | bjenkins, perhaps it's time to consider an upgrade for an 8 year old 3d card? |
| 16:49.34 | quittt | how do I search something? |
| 16:49.40 | quitte | nvz why dont you get a pci geforce2 somewhere? |
| 16:49.47 | fusibou | ReclusE do find /lib/modules | grep reiser |
| 16:49.56 | Rockj | fusibou: *rolleyes* |
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| 16:50.19 | Rockj | woody better to install maybe? *rolleyes* |
| 16:50.35 | ReclusE | fusibou: nothing |
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| 16:50.44 | ethicsgradient | insanekane, lineak says it has support for my keyboard (Dell sk 8125) but when I run lineakd I get xlib errors.....are you familiar with that behavior at all? |
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| 16:50.51 | fusibou | ReclusE what kernel version? |
| 16:50.54 | si|vercat | this is weird.. I plug in my digital camera, and this box pops up asking me if I want to import the pictures.. and when I want to do that, it says there are no pics or some error or something :( |
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| 16:51.09 | lewis | hey there |
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| 16:51.18 | ReclusE | fusibou: all I can tell you right now is Woody |
| 16:51.21 | Rockj | Ill try to install again |
| 16:51.38 | lewis | trying to block e-mails sent to a specific recipient with exim4. I have the following under 'acl_check_rcpt' section: 'deny local_parts = lsearch;/etc/exim4/banned_emails' - anything wrong with that? |
| 16:51.39 | fusibou | ReclusE reiser may not be available in Woody |
| 16:51.41 | ReclusE | my system is down and I'm trying to recover data from the drive on another system |
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| 16:51.58 | a-atwood | Rockj: dunno. something is flakey there. (Like you didn't know, already.) 8( |
| 16:52.13 | fusibou | ReclusE you could try booting a livecd and recovering your data that way |
| 16:52.21 | Rockj | just feels it is odd that it worked with fedora 3.0 :S |
| 16:52.27 | Rockj | I like apt-get *rolleyes* |
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| 16:52.44 | ReclusE | I did, the system gives an infinite error "modporbe: dependencies file not found" |
| 16:52.49 | bjenkins | dmesg tells me "parport0: FIFO is stuck" |
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| 16:52.55 | bjenkins | what's up with THAT? |
| 16:53.04 | bjenkins | need to oil my printer? |
| 16:53.07 | fusibou | ReclusE i mean using knoppix or system-rescue-cd or something |
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| 16:53.28 | fusibou | ReclusE they should have reiserfs |
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| 16:53.45 | burd | is there a way to view the date a system was installed on a machine? |
| 16:54.05 | dvs | burd: ls -l /etc/debian_version ? |
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| 16:54.31 | fas3r | hi all |
| 16:54.31 | ReclusE | knoppixfusibou: I have knoppix, I just need to boot using that and then what? how do I get the data from there to a useable system? |
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| 16:54.40 | xoz | burd: what do you mean by system? filesystem, operating system...? |
| 16:54.42 | pedro | how do I stop a module?? |
| 16:54.49 | si|vercat | strange.. everything is detected fine in /proc/bus/usb/devices, but nothing is able to get anything from there |
| 16:54.53 | burd | the entire OS yes |
| 16:55.06 | jasz | ReclusE, debian is not knoppix, go to #knoppix |
| 16:55.08 | quitte | nvz i just tried tuxracer here. 1024x768 resolution and playable. you are using nvidias proprietary drivers? |
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| 16:55.17 | fusibou | ReclusE you should be able to mount the drive in knoppix then copy it over to a working drive or to a usb pen or using scp (ssh) |
| 16:55.26 | ReclusE | k, thx |
| 16:55.29 | fusibou | jasz thanks but we're solving a problem here |
| 16:55.33 | pedro | how do stop modules?? |
| 16:55.42 | fas3r | if i want to execute a script when flxbox start, i make it in ./xinitrc? |
| 16:55.50 | nvz | quitte: yeah |
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| 16:56.07 | jasz | <PROTECTED> |
| 16:56.07 | nvz | quitte: they are too fuckin simple to install and remove for me to use anything else |
| 16:56.15 | xoz | burd: seems vague. OS is compose of kernel and libs? which date you want? kernel |
| 16:56.24 | KillerBunny | Quistion, per default my alsa driver splits my laptop headphones from the master. |
| 16:56.25 | pedro | why are you ignoring me? |
| 16:56.28 | KillerBunny | Can i make them the same ? |
| 16:56.41 | fusibou | jasz hm. he's using woody and can't mount a reiserfs partition to rescue data. i suggest he use knoppix to do it. |
| 16:56.45 | burd | xoz: what I would like (not sure if it can be done) is to see the date the installation was first fired up on that machine |
| 16:56.46 | quitte | nvz tuxracer isn't playable? |
| 16:56.46 | dvs | pedro: Your question makes no sense. |
| 16:56.57 | pedro | dvs I want to stop agpgart module! |
| 16:57.00 | Kerr | is there any need to leave statd installed on a desktop/private ftp&sshserver machine? |
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| 16:57.03 | jasz | fusibou, .. that's different.. my bad.. |
| 16:57.08 | jasz | vote for pedro! |
| 16:57.12 | FieldySnuts | ravenbird: lart pedro |
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| 16:57.17 | samuel | sup all |
| 16:57.20 | samuel | ok, here is my problem... when i connect to the internet directly (ie DSL - computer) everything is fine, but if i use a router in the middle - it seems as if it "resets" the connection constantly when the router is being used |
| 16:57.20 | quitte | nvz i thought *I* had the worst 3d acceleration in this channel |
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| 16:57.35 | nvz | quitte: I can play all the games, they just dont get good fps.. only thing will not play on here is BZflag 2.0, the old bzflag 1.10 works fine with experimental textures |
| 16:57.37 | xoz | burd: what OS? debian? |
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| 16:57.42 | burd | xoz yes |
| 16:57.56 | valdyn_ | samuel: which programs connection is resetting? |
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| 16:58.01 | fas3r | lol thank... |
| 16:58.02 | PerfDave | samuel: How do you mean, "resets" the connection? |
| 16:58.27 | quitte | nvz still win2k won't be any better. dri for rage128 exists. the drm module is even in the kernel. |
| 16:58.30 | samuel | valdyn_: none now, im on the DSL only |
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| 16:58.57 | valdyn_ | samuel: uh, so your router is hanging up of the link is unused, probably |
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| 16:58.58 | si|vercat | permission problem.. how do I allow non-root to access usb digital camera? |
| 16:59.04 | fusibou | pedro rmmod <modulename> removes it; putting <modulename> into /etc/discover.conf and /etc/hotplug/blacklist prevents it loading on bootup |
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| 16:59.10 | samuel | PerfDave, well, when im using the router it seems to log into gaim constantly for like 2 mins then again... email doesnt work, ftp either.... |
| 16:59.22 | valdyn_ | samuel: and only dialing when theres network traffic |
| 16:59.23 | xoz | burd: you can check the date of earliest files in /var/lib/dpkg/info/ ... like ls -ltr | head |
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| 16:59.28 | samuel | valdyn_, but why whould it do that? |
| 16:59.45 | burd | xoz tyvm I appreciate the help |
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| 17:00.12 | valdyn_ | samuel: to save costs, it cant guess that you dont pay per minute. You can change that behaviour, but try having a ping to some inet adress running and see if it still resets |
| 17:00.27 | KillerBunny | Quistion, per default my alsa driver/or the laptops splits my laptop headphones from the master, can i make them into one? |
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| 17:00.59 | samuel | i see... |
| 17:01.21 | samuel | valdyn_, ill be back, thanks for the help... im gonna put the router back in... |
| 17:01.30 | kps | why does /usr/local have permissions drwxrwsr-x ? why the s ? |
| 17:01.39 | valdyn_ | samuel: imagine someone completely unsavy with this technical stuff plugging in a router and entering a password and uh, going broke ) |
| 17:01.45 | burd | xoz: thats not right the files have the same date on both machines |
| 17:02.10 | dvs | kps: That's the sticky bit |
| 17:02.19 | kps | why is it used here ? |
| 17:02.41 | dvs | !sticky bit |
| 17:02.41 | dpkg | from memory, sticky bit is the "t" bit on /tmp. When set on a directory, it means that users cannot unlink anyone else's files (and a few other things). It has no effect on files in any modern Unix. |
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| 17:03.01 | fusibou | !suid bit |
| 17:03.06 | xuser | !afaik |
| 17:03.06 | dpkg | methinks afaik is some kind of acronym...but nobody knows what it means, As Far As I Know. ask me about 'imnkatf'. |
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| 17:03.16 | fusibou | !suid |
| 17:03.16 | dpkg | i heard suid is "set user ID". unix supports a special bit in a file's permissions that will allow a program run by a user to run with the ID of the file owner |
| 17:03.29 | Kerr | !imnkatf |
| 17:03.30 | dpkg | imnkatf is probably I May Not Know All That Far |
| 17:03.40 | greycat | what the hell kind of phrase is that? |
| 17:03.42 | samuel | valdyn_, ok, im back... if im off in a sec then pinging didnt work... |
| 17:03.47 | xoz | burd: a bit tricky problem. what about the date of /var/lib/dpkg/status? |
| 17:03.57 | kps | so the idea is that group is "staff", so several "staff" users can install stuff there, but they can't delete each other's stuff ? |
| 17:04.07 | greycat | kps: then make it sticky |
| 17:04.10 | xuser | greycat: which one? |
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| 17:04.17 | greycat | xuser: "I may not know all that far" |
| 17:04.25 | kps | greycat, yes it is sticky atm |
| 17:04.39 | xuser | heh |
| 17:04.48 | kps | ok i guess it is ok then |
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| 17:05.07 | ixi-deb05 | Hi. I'm trying to understand how identd works. What exactly it returns to auth request and why this value is not constat for a certain user and ip |
| 17:05.18 | juhov | it's not the sticky bit, it's setgid. see man chmod |
| 17:05.21 | greycat | ixi-deb05: read RFC 1413 |
| 17:05.31 | xoz | burd: or the oldest dir in /var/lib/dpkg/ ... such as index.db or methods |
| 17:05.38 | greycat | or if you just want a useful answer, it works "badly". HTH. |
| 17:06.06 | burd | xoz: yah I'm looking now that you got my brain working ;) |
| 17:06.10 | ixi-deb05 | greycat: ok, I'll do. But is there a quick answer to the question - can I configure identd to return same value every time? |
| 17:06.11 | samuel | valdyn_, looks like you are right... but do you know of a way to solve this besides constantly pinging google? |
| 17:06.19 | greycat | ixi-deb05: yes! use nullidentd |
| 17:06.25 | greycat | !info nullidentd sarge |
| 17:06.30 | dpkg | nullidentd: (small, fast identd daemon), section net, is optional. Version: 1.0-3 (sarge), Packaged size: 7 kB, Installed size: 45 kB |
| 17:06.37 | juhov | kps: the idea is that when new files are created under /usr/local, their owner group will be staff too and not the group of the user who created them |
| 17:06.57 | greycat | juhov: oh, then make it setgid. |
| 17:07.14 | juhov | greycat: it is already. i was just trying to explain why it is so :) |
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| 17:08.14 | kps | juhov, yes thank i think i undestood that |
| 17:08.24 | benbread | Hey, i'm having a slight problem with kernel compiling, i have sucessfully compiled, (2.6.10) but don't have an initrd file for GRUB to use |
| 17:08.30 | benbread | :| |
| 17:08.41 | xoz | benbread: man mkinitrd |
| 17:08.46 | benbread | :D |
| 17:08.49 | benbread | thanks |
| 17:08.57 | samuel | can i change the DSL PPoE to bridge ethernet? |
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| 17:09.19 | Piru | samuel, depends on your service provider. |
| 17:09.44 | ReclusE | I know I'm in the wrong room here but there is no one in the knoppix room, I am trying to unlock folders on a hd, any suggestions? |
| 17:09.46 | xoz | benbread: though if your kernel statically compiled your filesystem and hd-related drivers, no need for initrd |
| 17:09.49 | si|vercat | how do I allow users to access the camera..? |
| 17:09.56 | greycat | "unlock folders"?? |
| 17:10.07 | greycat | what the... bloody... fucking... HELL does that mean? |
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| 17:10.24 | ReclusE | yeah, I booted knoppix and can see my data on the drive but it says some of the folders are "locked" ? |
| 17:10.30 | Piru | room? |
| 17:10.33 | samuel | Piru the DSL modem uses PPoE, and the router has an option for PPoE, but i font kknow what that is... |
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| 17:10.41 | benbread | i'll give it a try |
| 17:10.54 | greycat | ReclusE: dude, you have a Knoppix problem or a Unix comprehension problem. Neither one is a Debian problem. |
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| 17:11.12 | ReclusE | thx, your swell too .............. |
| 17:11.17 | xoz | ReclusE: ownership problem? or an app is using the file and locked access. |
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| 17:11.30 | ReclusE | they're mysql databases |
| 17:11.31 | Piru | samuel, usually the service is just one way... either ppoe or bridged |
| 17:11.43 | lawnchair | is there any good way to check tosee if an nfs mount is up... |
| 17:11.50 | lawnchair | if its down and you do a df t hat shit hangs forever |
| 17:11.52 | samuel | Piru, i see... |
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| 17:12.10 | xoz | lawnchair: ps ax | grep nfs? |
| 17:12.22 | greycat | !not support Knoppix |
| 17:12.23 | dpkg | We have enough trouble not supporting Debian, without trying to not support Knoppix too. Try #Knoppix or donating money to charity. |
| 17:12.27 | Piru | samuel, the box has just option to make it usable with both. anyway, you could still ask your provider to be sure |
| 17:12.38 | DeadZed- | Does anyone use mondo rescue ? it created mindi.iso and mondorescue.iso ... which one should I burn ? |
| 17:12.43 | Doc- | wth... |
| 17:12.47 | lawnchair | xoz, even if i ts down rpc.nfsd is still running |
| 17:13.01 | lawnchair | basically on the client side i wanna know if the mount is still up |
| 17:13.10 | Daaaani | how do i set my moitor to defaul from a console? |
| 17:13.10 | greycat | lawnchair: type "mount" instead of df. |
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| 17:13.34 | lawnchair | greycat, it shows the mounts even if the nfs server is down :((( |
| 17:13.36 | greycat | lawnchair: and/or try to ping the NFS server |
| 17:14.06 | greycat | and/or switch to autofs; and/or switch to soft mounts instead of hard mounts (if you don't care about your data) |
| 17:14.07 | lawnchair | well |
| 17:14.12 | xoz | lawnchair: that's one problem with nfs... its timeout is long. |
| 17:14.15 | lawnchair | i care about the data heh |
| 17:14.21 | greycat | xoz: yeah, infinity's pretty long. |
| 17:14.23 | lawnchair | yah xoz im finding that out :) |
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| 17:14.30 | lawnchair | i wish you could make the timeout shorter |
| 17:14.38 | Daaaani | when i start mepis it says video mode not supported anything i can do bout it? |
| 17:14.48 | xoz | lawnchair: restart the nfs server... ;) |
| 17:14.50 | dvs | Daaaani: Not in here |
| 17:14.50 | greycat | lawnchair: you *can*, of course. With soft mounts. With hard mounts, there's no timeout to play with. |
| 17:14.58 | resiak | Daaaani: Mepis != Debian. |
| 17:15.00 | resiak | !mepis |
| 17:15.00 | dpkg | MEPIS is a Debian Unstable-based liveCD distribution similar to Knoppix, with its own hardware detection system. Uses KDE by default, and includes the nVidia proprietary 3D driver. It also includes a custom installer on the KDE desktop, with simple LILO configuration. See http://www.mepis.org. It is NOT real Debian, attempts to use apt-get with Debian mirrors will meet with a world of hurt. |
| 17:15.01 | lawnchair | greycat, how do you dot htat w/ softmounts? |
| 17:15.07 | xoz | lawnchair: and unmount it |
| 17:15.09 | Daaaani | resiak: indeed :D |
| 17:15.14 | greycat | lawnchair: by reading the fine documentation, of course |
| 17:15.23 | lawnchair | greycat, i wanna kiss you |
| 17:15.45 | lawnchair | thanks |
| 17:15.47 | lawnchair | i appreciate the help |
| 17:15.55 | greycat | NFS is not designed to be used on flaky machines on flaky networks. It's designed to WAIT UNTIL THE SERVER COMES BACK UP, no matter *how* long it takes. |
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| 17:16.04 | Pres-Gas | hey all |
| 17:16.06 | Pres-Gas | I just caught a PC that was spamming virus laden items out to the world. I stopped postfix and am wondering how to clear the offending mail out of the queue? |
| 17:16.29 | Daaaani | well is mepis is that what debian distro could i else try? |
| 17:16.30 | lawnchair | greycat, its not flakey, im just nervous itll fuck up in the middle of the night sometime in the future |
| 17:16.30 | greycat | It's assumed, in a normal NFS environment, that if your NFS server is down, you don't GIVE a flying fuck about the clients. |
| 17:16.43 | dvs | Daaaani: #mepis? |
| 17:16.46 | lawnchair | thats not assumed |
| 17:16.46 | lawnchair | heh |
| 17:16.58 | greycat | lawnchair: that's how the design of NFS plays out. |
| 17:17.03 | lawnchair | well if that is assumed, thats a bad assumption |
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| 17:17.09 | lawnchair | well its a bad design then :) |
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| 17:17.14 | greycat | it was designed in, what, 1982? c'mon. |
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| 17:17.17 | lawnchair | heh |
| 17:17.20 | lawnchair | someone should make something better |
| 17:17.30 | jrl | you can tell the client to fail gracefully |
| 17:17.35 | xoz | lawnchair: sun people, remember? |
| 17:17.40 | lawnchair | heh true |
| 17:17.53 | greycat | jrl: you can tell a *mount* to fail gracefully, but if it's *already* mounted and the server dies, the client *waits*. |
| 17:18.02 | jrl | right |
| 17:18.05 | jrl | zombie city |
| 17:18.07 | jrl | it sucks |
| 17:18.07 | jrl | heh |
| 17:18.15 | jrl | you have to plan for problems ahead of time |
| 17:18.20 | greycat | not even zombies; just cryo-frozen bodies |
| 17:18.40 | greycat | they all magically come back to life when you plug the server back in |
| 17:18.45 | xoz | sounds like sperm-bank :) |
| 17:19.03 | Piru | nfs mounted home rules.. esp with system with several thousand users when the nfs server dies |
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| 17:19.20 | RichiH | any system that is supposed to get reliable data and uses nfs is scary, anyway |
| 17:19.27 | RichiH | iirc, nfs is based on udp |
| 17:19.31 | m0rbid | Anyone know why for some odd reason 'X' will not load my .XDefaults file? |
| 17:19.32 | CAiRO | how can i change the default character encoding in gnome-terminal? i can switch to utf8 through the menu but i want it to start with utf8? |
| 17:19.32 | greycat | yep |
| 17:19.33 | burd | is a dangling simlink a link that points to something that doesn't exist? |
| 17:19.38 | RichiH | first line s/nfs/udp/ |
| 17:19.42 | greycat | burd: yes |
| 17:19.42 | m0rbid | I still get a default aterm |
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| 17:19.52 | greycat | m0rbid: don't run 'X'. run 'startx'. |
| 17:19.57 | juhov | m0rbid: name it .Xresources? |
| 17:19.58 | xoz | m0rbid: another default tampers it. |
| 17:20.07 | greycat | and it's not .XDefaults. It's .Xresources and .xintirc or .xsession |
| 17:20.25 | greycat | insert parentheses in that. |
| 17:20.33 | m0rbid | greycat: I was before, but now xdm is running and debian will not let me remove it without taking fluxbox and everything else 'X' with it. |
| 17:20.35 | greycat | .Xresources and (.xinitrc or .xsession) |
| 17:20.47 | greycat | m0rbid: xdm reads .xsession |
| 17:21.08 | greycat | and you can *certainly* remove xdm without removing fluxbox. |
| 17:21.15 | m0rbid | greycat: ok Ill try that, thx, but in anycase, is there a way to remove xdm, Im a console guy. |
| 17:21.36 | m0rbid | I tried to remove it via apt-get, but it wants to remove X completely. |
| 17:21.53 | xoz | m0rbid: just disable the startup in /etc/init.d/xdm |
| 17:22.00 | fusibou | m0rbid mv /etc/init.d/xdm /etc/init.d/DISABLED_xdm |
| 17:22.09 | m0rbid | hmmm, good idea |
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| 17:22.56 | greycat | m0rbid: no, it wants to remove "x-window-system-core" or "x-window-system". That's one FUCK of a lot different from "remove X completely". |
| 17:23.22 | greycat | fusibou: no, mv /etc/rc2.d/S99xdm /etc/rc2.d/disabled.S99xdm |
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| 17:23.32 | PerfDave | update-rc.d! |
| 17:23.36 | greycat | PerfDave: Pbbbt. |
| 17:23.43 | greycat | update-rc.d is for bots. |
| 17:23.52 | CAiRO | is there a way how i can make my telefone dial a number from my gtk addressbook? |
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| 17:24.08 | xoz | update-rc.d is *ugly* :) |
| 17:24.08 | PerfDave | CAiRO: Yes, with your eyes and fingers ;) |
| 17:24.14 | m0rbid | I stand corrected, xdm has been removed, I appologize. |
| 17:24.16 | RichiH | CAiRO: yes, by reading and punching the numbers ;) |
| 17:24.22 | duane_ | hi, any of you knows hot to change emacs menu font? it's ugly |
| 17:24.33 | valdyn_ | samuel: your router must have a "dial on demand" switch, i cannot imagine that that doesnt exist |
| 17:24.35 | duane_ | s/hot/how/ |
| 17:24.43 | CAiRO | hmm, i should have said "automatic" |
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| 17:25.11 | PerfDave | CAiRO: Do you have a telephone connected to your PC, that you can control from the PC? |
| 17:25.17 | CAiRO | isdn't that possible through the isdn bus somehow? |
| 17:25.26 | CAiRO | PerfDave: i have an isdn phone and an isdn card |
| 17:25.43 | CAiRO | but maybe i need a special phone |
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| 17:26.19 | PerfDave | Oh, ISDN? No idea. Weird thing. |
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| 17:26.41 | CAiRO | but i think it should somehow be possible, it really sucks if you have an addressbook with all the number but then you have to type them manually |
| 17:27.07 | Phated | Yeah, it must have sucked back in the days when people actually took down numbers. |
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| 17:27.22 | lewis | under 'netstat -a', does, 'auth' stand for ident/113? |
| 17:27.33 | greycat | Back in my youth, you didn't even have touchtone phones. Dialing meant "rotating a dial". |
| 17:27.54 | Phated | God, and did you actually have to -remember- numbers? |
| 17:28.03 | greycat | no, we had these things called "pencils" |
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| 17:28.17 | CAiRO | greycat: yes, and when my grandma was young they were mainly using horses to get from A to B, but how does this help me now? :) |
| 17:28.19 | Phated | Oh, you did? I'd thought they were somewhat after your time. |
| 17:28.30 | Doc- | Phated: i still remember ip for a TF server i used to play at back in '97 |
| 17:28.42 | Doc- | or was it 98... |
| 17:28.47 | Phated | Good on you. |
| 17:28.48 | Daaaani | how do i change apt-get source? |
| 17:29.00 | greycat | Daaaani: man sources.list |
| 17:29.07 | greycat | or for that matter, man apt-get |
| 17:29.14 | xoz | Daaaani: and apt-setup |
| 17:29.18 | dvs | Daaaani: edit /etc/apt/sources.list |
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| 17:29.47 | m0rbid | when I edit .xsession, .Xdefaults, or .Xresources, do i have to restart X ? |
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| 17:29.57 | greycat | m0rbid: what do *you* think? |
| 17:30.18 | m0rbid | im thinking Ijust aske3d a stupid question |
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| 17:30.27 | juhov | m0rbid: for .Xdefaults/.Xresources you can use xrdb to load it |
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| 17:30.41 | m0rbid | Your honor I would like to retract my previous stated question. |
| 17:30.58 | Phated | I'm sorry, sir, you can't do that. |
| 17:31.05 | xoz | m0rbid: in the future, X will be even-driven through keyboard events even in console :) |
| 17:31.15 | xoz | *event-driven* |
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| 17:34.14 | m0rbid | brb |
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| 17:35.22 | Andax | how to prevent tcpd from logging every connection to /var/log/syslog? (woody, inetd) |
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| 17:36.00 | lewis | hey there - i think i have an outdated nsswitch.conf - i am using debian testing, and am having trouble changing passwords, should I change my nsswitch.conf file? |
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| 17:36.18 | greycat | lewis: probably not. |
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| 17:36.35 | greycat | !errors |
| 17:36.35 | dpkg | if you don't tell us the exact error messages you get, we can't tell you what's wrong, and it's also useful to know exactly what command you're typing. Please look for the *first* error that occurs, as this is often the cause of later errors |
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| 17:36.59 | lewis | passwd: Authentication information cannot be recovered |
| 17:37.21 | greycat | sounds like you're missing your entry in /etc/shadow |
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| 17:37.51 | lewis | nope - i can see my user, and it is happening to many users (in fact all) |
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| 17:38.25 | xoz | lewis: are you using nis? |
| 17:38.32 | lewis | not sure |
| 17:38.59 | lewis | using debian testing, with normal/default password authentication - no mysql or ldap stuff |
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| 17:39.31 | xoz | lewis: tried google the *exact* error message? |
| 17:39.31 | greycat | lewis: broken pam.d/passwd maybe... or as I said, missing entry in /etc/shadow. |
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| 17:40.10 | lewis | xoz: yeh, I saw that someone suggesting changing 'compat' to file 'nis' in the shadow/passwd and something else lines in nsswitch.conf |
| 17:40.13 | Albacker | hmmm dont know what happend to my debian woody . . . I couldnt see the windows ok. for ex i moved the mouse and the taskbar appeared in the center of the screen. or the button of apps didnt appear [like kppp for egz] |
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| 17:40.23 | nana`slx | i just tryed to compile capi4kutils and i got this error |
| 17:40.34 | nana`slx | aclocal: configure.in: 10: macro `AM_PROG_LIBTOOL' not found in library |
| 17:40.38 | xoz | lewis: that is assuming that nis provides the passwd |
| 17:40.38 | nana`slx | how can i fix it? |
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| 17:41.12 | lewis | i think I may have been asked a question when upgrading pam.d, about keeping old configuration file, where I put yes |
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| 17:41.23 | lewis | therefore, pam.d may be broken due to outdated configuration files |
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| 17:41.31 | fatal_ | nana`slx: try apt-get install libtool |
| 17:41.39 | nana`slx | fatal_: thx i am gonna try |
| 17:42.15 | Albacker | hmmmm I think I'll switch to SuSE again. |
| 17:42.34 | gualtrapa | hello, do you know if is there a Debian version for new Intel EM64T?, Xeon 64 |
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| 17:42.59 | fusibou | !amd64 |
| 17:42.59 | dpkg | amd64 is probably See http://www.debian.org/ports/amd64/ and the #debian-amd64 IRC channel, or https://alioth.debian.org/docman/view.php/30192/21/debian-amd64-howto.html See http://debian-amd64.alioth.debian.org/install-images/ for ISOs. unofficial at the moment, will be a supported arch on Etch (Sarge + 1) |
| 17:43.00 | nana`slx | fatal_: thx it looks like it works ;) |
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| 17:43.37 | rex | hi |
| 17:43.48 | fatal_ | nana`slx: ok, so looking at the error messages isn't that useless after all. ;P |
| 17:43.55 | xoz | gualtrapa: google says yes |
| 17:43.57 | gualtrapa | thanks |
| 17:44.00 | gualtrapa | yes to amd |
| 17:44.07 | gualtrapa | but I ask for intel |
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| 17:44.22 | fusibou | gualtrapa same standard isn't it? |
| 17:44.28 | gualtrapa | I don't know |
| 17:44.35 | gualtrapa | so, I was asking :-) |
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| 17:44.43 | gualtrapa | thank you very much |
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| 17:45.07 | xoz | gualtrapa: http://packages.debian.org/unstable/newpkg_main |
| 17:45.21 | DeadZed- | anyone use mondo rescue _ |
| 17:45.24 | DeadZed- | ? |
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| 17:45.42 | DeadZed- | how do I make incremental backups with mondo rescue |
| 17:45.45 | Azar | guys what is the highest linux version that stable offers? |
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| 17:46.04 | Albacker | guys does anyone have any idea of where my problems stands ? |
| 17:46.04 | gualtrapa | ok, thanks a lot, these docs are very useful :D |
| 17:46.14 | DeadZed- | Azar gentoo is the highest stable :) |
| 17:46.18 | DeadZed- | kick ban |
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| 17:46.29 | Azar | no thanks I am a Debian fan |
| 17:46.34 | DeadZed- | me too |
| 17:46.50 | Albacker | hmmm dont know what happend to my debian woody . . . I couldnt see the windows ok. for ex i moved the mouse and the taskbar appeared in the center of the screen. or the button of apps didnt appear [like kppp for egz] |
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| 17:47.29 | Albacker | CAN you help me about this ^ |
| 17:47.37 | lewis | greycat: anything I can do to try to fix pam.d? |
| 17:47.41 | zno | how do I remove a group of related packages like exim4 and all its related packages? |
| 17:47.45 | zumbi | hello, if i do $ du -sh * it shows the size of my directories, but, if i what to see .files (hide), how could i tell to du ? |
| 17:48.08 | burd | Albacker: it was fine then it went goofy? |
| 17:48.08 | zumbi | zno, apt-get remove --purge exim4 |
| 17:48.18 | rex | Do you write everyone some example in english.These words have:in believe,in believe, on lecture,on keen, of example, of afraid, about nervous,about chat,to refer,to answer.Please help me! |
| 17:48.19 | zumbi | but zno you need another MTA |
| 17:48.19 | zno | zumbi: thanks |
| 17:48.29 | zno | zumbi: I plan on doing sendmail |
| 17:48.50 | nana`slx | i want to settup a faxserver. in my system is a fritzcard v2.0 pci. i installed the capi driver, capisoftware etc. but when i want to execute capiinit there comes the following error. |
| 17:48.54 | nana`slx | ERROR: fopen(/proc/capi/driver,r) failed - No such file or directory (2) |
| 17:48.56 | nana`slx | ERROR: failed to load driver b1pci |
| 17:49.02 | nana`slx | i dont know y he does not load the driver |
| 17:49.09 | nana`slx | where can i set where the drivers are |
| 17:49.19 | nana`slx | or is it the firmware for the isdncard? |
| 17:49.25 | nana`slx | which wont be loaded |
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| 17:49.42 | zumbi | nana`slx, lsmod |
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| 17:49.46 | Albacker | hmmm . . . no one seems to know a thing about my problem ! |
| 17:49.54 | burd | Albacker: it was fine then it went goofy? |
| 17:49.55 | zumbi | is the module blpci loaded ? |
| 17:49.58 | nana`slx | one moment |
| 17:50.00 | nana`slx | !nopaste |
| 17:50.00 | dpkg | rumour has it, nopaste is http://nopaste.snit.ch/ or http://pastebin.com/ |
| 17:50.26 | Azar | !linux version |
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| 17:50.47 | nana`slx | zumbi: http://nopaste.snit.ch:8001/1752 |
| 17:50.59 | rconnect | I cant install any package in debian, I always get E: Sub-process /usr/bin/dpkg returned an error code (1) |
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| 17:51.06 | Azar | damn I have to reinstall Debian again |
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| 17:51.16 | Azar | this is the fifth time reinstallation |
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| 17:51.39 | valdyn_ | Azar: reinstalling is like never necessary, why are you doing it? |
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| 17:51.43 | zumbi | ok, nana`slx it is loaded |
| 17:52.06 | zumbi | rconnect, apt-get -f install |
| 17:52.30 | nana`slx | zumbi: so what is next to do? |
| 17:52.33 | rconnect | did try that, still all the same |
| 17:52.44 | Azar | valdyn_ I installed with bf24, upgraded kernel to 2.6.10, went unstable, downloaded latest nvidia driver, configured XF86Config, downloaded Openbox3 and I cannot get startx to work |
| 17:53.02 | Azar | so I go back to new installation, stable, but I want a 2.6 linux |
| 17:53.21 | valdyn_ | Azar: and reinstalling is supposed to fix that b/c ? |
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| 17:53.30 | lewis | having the same problem, can anyone help: http://lists.debian.org/debian-user/2003/08/msg02964.html - the 'fix' didn't work for me |
| 17:53.34 | zumbi | nana`slx, it looks like you have modules loaded.. i have never used this software.. i dunno.. did you read /usr/share/doc/<package> ? |
| 17:53.39 | valdyn_ | Azar: 2.6 on woody would be silly |
| 17:53.47 | Azar | valdyn_ I hope that while in stable to be able to get xfree recognize the nvidia driver |
| 17:54.14 | zumbi | rconnect, you might have some dependencies problem, what error tells you ? |
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| 17:54.28 | valdyn_ | Azar: just debug your current issue, its not very hard. |
| 17:54.29 | Azar | oh, I am not sure what went wrong, I did four installations so far "by the book" |
| 17:54.58 | Azar | valdyn_ debug as in recompile the kernel? |
| 17:55.08 | Azar | I am in sid now |
| 17:55.21 | valdyn_ | Azar: debug as in find out whats wrong and fix what is wrong |
| 17:55.39 | bhl | how can I install an old version of Evolution using apt-get? |
| 17:55.50 | valdyn_ | Azar: for starters, read the log files |
| 17:56.15 | Azar | valdyn_ where are them logs located? |
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| 17:56.36 | Azar | oh nm I found them |
| 17:56.39 | valdyn_ | Azar: in /var/log. You probably care about /var/log/XFree86.0.log |
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| 17:56.50 | nana`slx | zumbi: i have got a howto and therefore i need capiinit to load the devices... and this does not work |
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| 17:57.35 | valdyn_ | Azar: or try "lsmod | grep nvidia" or "modprobe nvidia" and tell us what's that outputting |
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| 18:00.20 | Azar | valdyn_ the log mainly stated failing to initialize the NVIDIA kernel module |
| 18:00.37 | Azar | and screens found but none have a usable config |
| 18:00.38 | valdyn_ | Azar: so its not loaded probably. |
| 18:00.47 | valdyn_ | Azar: so load it.. |
| 18:00.48 | greycat | A = 10, B = 11, C = 12, D = 13, E = 14, F = 15 |
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| 18:00.51 | Azar | server error: no screens found |
| 18:00.52 | greycat | oops, wrong chan... |
| 18:00.56 | nirz | hello |
| 18:00.58 | Azar | hi greycat |
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| 18:01.11 | nirz | how i can see WMV files with Totem ? |
| 18:01.15 | Azar | I have downloaded it and installed with specification for 2.6.10 |
| 18:01.16 | greycat | try mplayer |
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| 18:01.20 | valdyn_ | Azar: only the first error is important |
| 18:01.38 | valdyn_ | Azar: type "modprobe nvidia" |
| 18:01.40 | fusibou | nirz rarewares.org |
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| 18:01.57 | fusibou | nirz mplayer |
| 18:02.15 | nirz | greycat : i cant find it with apt |
| 18:02.16 | Azar | hmm modprobe can't locate the module nvidia |
| 18:02.25 | valdyn_ | Azar: so its not installed |
| 18:02.25 | Azar | so I am thinking how to do it this time |
| 18:02.36 | valdyn_ | Azar: how did you try to install it? |
| 18:02.36 | greycat | nirz: /msg dpkg mplayer |
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| 18:02.53 | Azar | valdyn_ : sh NVIDIA-Linux-x86-1.0-6629-pkg1.run --kernel-name=2.6.10 |
| 18:03.05 | fusibou | nirz add ftp://ftp.nerim.net/debian-marillat/ unstable main to repositories |
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| 18:03.37 | valdyn_ | Azar: first, you dont define --kernel-name normally, particularily not if you want to compile for your current running kernel |
| 18:03.43 | Hugo_Brazil | hi...i got a problem during trying to startx the first time after installation....it shows "no screens found"...i got a tip in a forum message that says: type dpkg --reconfigure xserver-xfree86 and choose VESA as your driver...but the dpkg doesnt recognize the "--reconfigure" command... |
| 18:03.47 | Hugo_Brazil | what should i do? |
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| 18:04.01 | valdyn_ | Azar: seconly, nvidias installer is evil, /msg dpkg nvidia |
| 18:04.05 | valdyn_ | !nvidia oneliner |
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| 18:04.21 | Azar | ahhhhh valdyn_ thank you |
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| 18:04.23 | valdyn_ | Azar: type uname -r |
| 18:04.24 | mlehrer | so what is the best way to tell debian to load a certain module on bootup |
| 18:04.39 | Azar | valdyn_ 2.6.10 |
| 18:04.41 | fusibou | mlehrer add to /etc/modules |
| 18:05.10 | mlehrer | fusibou: ah nice, i don't need any alias lines or anything, just the module name? |
| 18:05.10 | greycat | Hugo_Brazil: dpkg-reconfigure has no space in it, and only one -. |
| 18:05.11 | Azar | I will try the dpkg, that install I learned it from nvidia package README |
| 18:05.25 | juhov | mlehrer: just the module name |
| 18:05.30 | valdyn_ | Azar: looks to me like either you have two 2.6.10* installed |
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| 18:05.37 | mlehrer | that rocks, thanks |
| 18:05.42 | valdyn_ | Azar: or nvidias installer aborted with an error but you didnt notice |
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| 18:06.05 | Azar | valdyn_ I will try it again |
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| 18:06.45 | valdyn_ | Azar: just do it the right way, /msg dpkg nvidia |
| 18:06.53 | Knight_Lord | I have an image which is 10x bigger in png than in jpg. Is this normal or am i doing something stupid with gimp? |
| 18:07.08 | valdyn_ | Azar: you _will_ have trouble tracking sid and keeping using nvidias own installer |
| 18:07.08 | Azar | valdyn_ ok |
| 18:07.18 | zinx | Knight_Lord: for certain types of images, it's very normal. |
| 18:07.20 | fusibou | !png |
| 18:07.20 | dpkg | it has been said that png is the Portable Network Graphics format, a format for storing images on computers. Unofficially its acronym stands for ``PNG's Not GIF.'' PNG was designed to be the successor to the once-popular GIF format, which became decidedly less popular right around New Year's Day 1995 when Unisys and CompuServe suddenly announced that programs implementing GIF would require royalties. http://www.libpng.org/pub/png/ |
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| 18:07.33 | usn | usn, arriving |
| 18:07.34 | DeadZed- | how to search within man pages for a word ? |
| 18:07.34 | duane_ | hi, anyone using emacs on debian sarge here? |
| 18:07.51 | caphuso | duane_: no. we're all ed users |
| 18:07.57 | valdyn_ | Azar: first to sh NVIDIAxxxxxx --help and figure out how to uninstall whatever you maybe have installed ( i think you probably didnt really install anything ) |
| 18:08.11 | fusibou | Knight_Lord some formats are lossy (ie. they are compressed by throwing away info) JPG may be more lossy than png. |
| 18:08.12 | caphuso | DeadZed-: depends on your pager, but try the / key |
| 18:08.22 | DeadZed- | :) |
| 18:08.51 | lewis | can anyone help me with PAM.D and passwd problems? I get the following: 'passwd: Authentication service cannot retrieve authentication info. |
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| 18:09.00 | duane_ | caphuso, do you use it with the athen toolkit? |
| 18:09.01 | Knight_Lord | fusibou i open the jpg image in gimp and save it in png and it gets 10x bigger. |
| 18:09.19 | caphuso | duane_: ed? no... |
| 18:09.27 | valdyn_ | Azar: i gotta go, cant help you more with this, but since this is a common issue, thers plenty people here who can. Good luck |
| 18:09.32 | fusibou | Knight_Lord dunno, sorry |
| 18:09.33 | lewis | I don't use Mysql or LDAP authentication, and haven't manually edited anything in /etc/pam.d/ - I think the problem was caused by apt-get upgrade - any ideas? |
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| 18:10.01 | hedonick | Knight_Lord: could very well be if the jpeg is saved with a very high compression ratio. |
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| 18:10.56 | Knight_Lord | hedonick yup it might be. i turned png compression to maximum but still it's 10x difference. I'm going with the jpg this time |
| 18:10.57 | duane_ | I'll change my question: anyone knows how to change menu font in emacs using the athena toolkit? |
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| 18:11.39 | caphuso | duane_: #emacs |
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| 18:12.27 | hedonick | Knight_Lord: probably not much difference if it is a "natural" photo with lots of detail... typical use for png is things like schematic drawings, graphs and stuff... they tend to look horrid in jpegf |
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| 18:12.47 | LiveCD | hello |
| 18:13.02 | LiveCD | do ??! |
| 18:13.09 | LiveCD | ha ha ah |
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| 18:13.20 | LiveCD | i play linux |
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| 18:13.56 | LiveCD | i play linux |
| 18:13.58 | Knight_Lord | hedonick yup it's a real photo. I just wanted to use png because of the transparency |
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| 18:14.25 | LiveCD | no one |
| 18:14.30 | Knight_Lord | hedonick but with the 10x difference in size i'm just gonna use the old trick or coloring the "transparent" parts the same as the background |
| 18:14.55 | LiveCD | ?? |
| 18:15.07 | Azar | valdin_ thanks a lot happy to learn it in another way |
| 18:15.20 | fusibou | LiveCD this forum is for asking questions about Debian linux |
| 18:15.27 | toresbe | I also play Linux! :) |
| 18:15.36 | LiveCD | thx..... |
| 18:15.39 | toresbe | the last boss was really hard |
| 18:16.04 | LiveCD | solli my english is very poor |
| 18:16.13 | LiveCD | i am a chinese |
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| 18:17.29 | toresbe | LiveCD: No problem :) |
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| 18:19.53 | lewis | anyone about that can help explain why I get the following errror, when using 'passwd': Authentication service cannot retrieve authentication info |
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| 18:20.07 | lewis | I haven't changed anything in /etc/pam.d/ - just upgraded recently |
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| 18:21.25 | Hugo_Brazil | greycat: thx a lot!i´m completely newbie on unix systems... |
| 18:21.49 | Blissex | lewis: "just upgraded" means something has changed... |
| 18:22.16 | fusibou | <PROTECTED> |
| 18:22.18 | Blissex | lewis: try to figure out which authentication service is not working, and remove it from the list for the 'login' command. |
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| 18:23.36 | sgeigerbot | Sanity check needed: I've removed all references (as verified by egrep) in /etc/bind/ (and /etc/hosts) to a certain domain. I've restarted bind. Nevertheless, "host <domain> localhost" still returns info about that domain. |
| 18:23.40 | sgeigerbot | ...why?!! |
| 18:24.05 | Blissex | sgeigerbot: recursive resolver mode? |
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| 18:24.20 | Blissex | sgeigerbot: recursive resolver mode hitting another place which ahs cached info? |
| 18:24.23 | sgeigerbot | Blissex: does host do that? |
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| 18:24.35 | lewis | Blissex: yes - true - i think it asked me to replace nsswitch.conf, and I said no |
| 18:24.40 | sgeigerbot | Blissex: oh, the name server might be doing it, you mean. |
| 18:24.55 | Blissex | sgeigerbot: well, you are asking the BIND at 'localhost' to do it, and indeed it might be being recursive. |
| 18:25.09 | lewis | Blissex: which list? I only use default authentication - no LDAP, no MySQL, no anything else |
| 18:25.38 | Blissex | lewis: each file in '/etc/pam.d/' is a list of authentication modules to run for a specific service... |
| 18:26.28 | lewis | yeh, common-passwd is included in 'passwd' |
| 18:26.38 | lewis | so, i am just looking at that - and there is only one uncommented line in it |
| 18:26.40 | abrotman | !moo |
| 18:26.41 | dpkg | mooooooo! I am cow, hear me moo, I weigh twice as much as you. I'm a cow, eating grass, methane gas comes out my ass. I'm a cow, you are too; join us all! Type apt-get moo. |
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| 18:26.52 | sgeigerbot | Blissex: Do I need to remove the forwarders? or use allow-recursion? forwarders { 12.184.119.1; 12.184.119.20; }; |
| 18:27.07 | lewis | Blissex: password required pam_unix.so nullok obscure min=4 max=8 md5 |
| 18:27.20 | Daffy-PKF | lo |
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| 18:28.00 | Blissex | sgeigerbot: probably remove both. |
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| 18:28.20 | Hugo_Brazil | fusibou: i already read that...know i need more specific configuratios to start runing the xwindow... |
| 18:28.42 | lewis | Blissex: any ideas on what I should do next? |
| 18:28.44 | Blissex | lewis: I cant guess from a distance, just try to figure out from logs which specific authentication module gives you the error. |
| 18:28.45 | Hugo_Brazil | fusibou: now i need more specific configuratios to start runing the xwindow... |
| 18:29.07 | lewis | Blissex: should I try to 'dpkg-reconfigure libpam-runtime'? |
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| 18:29.34 | aguano | Hello everyone, I´m new to debian (my provider installed woody on my vserver) and I tried about 5 tutorials setting up a mailsystem (pop3/smtp-auth/webmail), but all the how-tos had errors in them (or I´ve been doing something wrong). Can you maybe give me a link to a working tutorial? |
| 18:29.43 | Blissex | lewis: I don't know, but it should not hut. |
| 18:29.47 | Blissex | lewis: I don't know, but it should not hurt. |
| 18:29.49 | lewis | ok |
| 18:30.29 | Blissex | aguano: that kind of stuff is not trivial and you can't just do it by following a step-by-step tutorial. |
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| 18:31.35 | bwlang | aguano: i recommend exim4 for smtp-auth... i can give you my configs if you like. I use cyrus for imap/pop3, and i use horde for webmail. |
| 18:31.56 | si|vercat | can debian use windows .ttf fonts? |
| 18:32.01 | bwlang | si|vercat: yes |
| 18:32.08 | aguano | Blissex: Well I´d like to try anyway or I´ll never learn it... |
| 18:32.10 | bwlang | si|vercat: google is your friend |
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| 18:32.25 | Blissex | si|vercat: yes. |
| 18:32.26 | aguano | bwlang: That´d be great |
| 18:32.56 | bwlang | aguano: you can do it! ... just don't get into the mindset that you can follow instructions to set things up. It's important to understand what you're doing. |
| 18:33.00 | Blissex | aguano: it takes a bit of effort... Basically you should really understand what you are doing, and to do that reading 2-3 books is a good idea. |
| 18:33.21 | lewis | i am upgrading again - why would a package be 'kept back'? |
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| 18:33.35 | Blissex | lewis: dependencies usually... |
| 18:33.52 | lewis | i.e. depending on an older version of something? |
| 18:33.58 | fusibou | Hugo_Brazil whats the issue |
| 18:34.04 | Blissex | lewis: that kind of stuff. |
| 18:34.25 | lewis | ok - one sec - perhaps upgrading/updating will fix my pam.d issues |
| 18:34.26 | dondelelcaro | lewis: the new version may also depend on something that can't actually be installed. |
| 18:34.49 | lewis | dondelelcaro: oh - any way to view its dependencies? |
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| 18:34.54 | dondelelcaro | lewis: apt-cache show foopkg; |
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| 18:35.38 | aguano | Blissex: You´re right... but many tutorials explain what the different settings in the conf-files mean... and I think I already have a slight idea how it works... don´t have the time to read books... although I wish I had the time ;) |
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| 18:35.52 | leOn | hi .. i've just installed gxmms (gnome applet for xmms) but it doesn't show up in the applet list when i choose to add an applet in the panel .. how can i update the list? |
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| 18:36.26 | LiveCD | ? |
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| 18:36.59 | fusibou | aguano http://catsearch.atomz.com/search/catsearch/?sp-a=sp1000a5a9&sp-f=ISO-8859-1&sp-t=cat_search&sp-q=pop3&search=Go |
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| 18:37.51 | BleSS | is it possible pass the options 800x600-24 to startx? how? |
| 18:38.00 | sgeigerbot | Blissex: based on the man page of host, I would have thought I could stop recursion with the -r flag...but that didn't seem to help. |
| 18:38.05 | Blissex | BleSS: not quite, but almost. |
| 18:38.06 | lewis | dondelelcaro: have you got a sec to help me with my authentication woes? |
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| 18:38.23 | Blissex | BleSS: you can tell the X server to startup with a specific layout... |
| 18:38.28 | BleSS | Blissex, and how? |
| 18:38.49 | lewis | dondelelcaro: i think a month ago (when last upgraded), I ignored the option of installing the newer nsswitch.conf - and so, I can't use passwd, at the moment - I get 'passwd: Authentication service cannot retrieve authentication info. |
| 18:39.01 | Blissex | sgeigerbot: but the 'named' might be doing recursion for you... |
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| 18:39.39 | Blissex | sgeigerbot: in any case do something like 'host -v -a ...' so from the verbose output you can figure out who is actually replying to the query and where from. |
| 18:40.11 | aguano | fousibou: thanks! |
| 18:40.21 | fusibou | lewis i know zero about this but you could always reinstall what you upgraded and it should ask you the same questions |
| 18:40.27 | fusibou | aguano no prob |
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| 18:40.36 | Blissex | BleSS: with 'startx' you can do something like 'startx -- -layout ....' or 'startx -- -screen ....' |
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| 18:41.04 | Blissex | BleSS: before that you need to define a 'Screen' or 'Layout' section with the appropriate default size and depth. |
| 18:41.18 | lewis | fusibou: a lot was upgraded at once, already tried reinstalling libpam-runtime and libpam-modules |
| 18:41.28 | BleSS | Blissex, thank you very much |
| 18:41.35 | Azar | I am having hardships to get this link to work in apt-get update from andrex Debian-nVidia installation site dpkg gave me, the link is : deb http://http.us.debian.org/debian $NVDIST main contrib non-free it seems that directory does not exist? |
| 18:41.36 | bobesponja | i compiled kdm and kde manually and I would like kdm to be started instead of gdm, how can I do this? |
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| 18:42.33 | dondelelcaro | lewis: hrm... you've got passwd,group, and shadow all set to compat, right? |
| 18:42.35 | Blissex | Azar: "$NVDIST" is not a directory... |
| 18:42.42 | fusibou | Azar $NVDIST is a variable |
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| 18:42.55 | Azar | oh |
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| 18:43.02 | Blissex | bobesponja: thats a bit of a FAQ... |
| 18:43.13 | lewis | dondelelcaro: yes |
| 18:43.20 | Azar | I will try with NVDIST only |
| 18:43.26 | Blissex | bobesponja: in any case compiling KDE/KDM manually is a bit of a crazy thing. |
| 18:43.37 | dondelelcaro | lewis: and /etc/pam.d/passwd is sane, right? |
| 18:43.46 | Blissex | Azar: you need the name of the directory... |
| 18:43.49 | bobesponja | Blissex: it works just fine |
| 18:43.49 | lewis | @include common-password |
| 18:43.55 | lewis | dondelelcaro: that is the only uncommented line |
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| 18:44.16 | lewis | common-password contains: password required pam_unix.so nullok obscure min=4 max=8 md5 |
| 18:44.21 | Azar | Blissex, I am trying to get the nvidia packages from debian from this site http://home.comcast.net/~andrex/Debian-nVidia/installation.html |
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| 18:44.29 | dondelelcaro | yeah, looks good to me |
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| 18:44.49 | lewis | dondelelcaro: thanks - syslog and auth.log don't show anything related to the situation |
| 18:44.52 | Blissex | Azar: I has suspected as much... |
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| 18:44.59 | UdontKnow | oops |
| 18:45.04 | greycat | lewis: did you check the perms on /bin/passwd yet? |
| 18:45.07 | Myren | i cant believe how many people jump on me for not using caps on /. |
| 18:45.08 | dondelelcaro | lewis: and you're using normal /etc/passwd files, right? |
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| 18:45.21 | Azar | Blissex, the Nvidia installer does not seem to work for me so I was trying that stuff |
| 18:45.26 | lewis | dondelelcaro: yes, normal, default files, only ever edited the homes in the file |
| 18:45.27 | UdontKnow | dondelelcaro: do you guys use +t cmode? |
| 18:45.28 | Myren | caps uglify way much |
| 18:45.39 | dondelelcaro | UdontKnow: yeah |
| 18:45.45 | Blissex | Azar: you need to change '$NVDIST' to either "testing" or "unstable" as that page says... |
| 18:45.48 | UdontKnow | I made a mistake on other channel, and made a modechange here |
| 18:45.50 | UdontKnow | damn |
| 18:45.54 | dondelelcaro | UdontKnow: heh. no biggie |
| 18:45.55 | Azar | Blissex, I did that |
| 18:46.06 | Blissex | Azar: In that line too? |
| 18:46.19 | Azar | Blissex, yes |
| 18:46.22 | thegraham | how do I setup my two diplays to a) display different resolutions, and b) extend desktop to both of them |
| 18:46.39 | Blissex | Azar: then the error message you report cannot happen :-) |
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| 18:46.52 | Blissex | thegraham: yes, yes, dream on... |
| 18:46.59 | lewis | greycat: erm, when I 'ls -alh' in /bin, I don't see passwd, though when I type 'pas', and press tab, it comes up |
| 18:47.04 | Azar | Blissex I inserted in sources.list the url as he writes it down there |
| 18:47.09 | Azar | did apt-get update |
| 18:47.10 | lewis | greycat: I haven't messed with any permissions |
| 18:47.14 | Azar | it is not recognized |
| 18:47.21 | greycat | lewis: type -a passwd |
| 18:47.32 | greycat | lewis: sorry, my mistake; it's in /usr/bin |
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| 18:47.39 | thegraham | Blissex: fedora does it |
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| 18:47.59 | lewis | -rwsr-xr-x 1 root root 26K Jan 15 06:08 passwd |
| 18:48.04 | toresbe | YE GODS - my SGI is evil |
| 18:48.12 | toresbe | it supports a 48Hz refresh rate |
| 18:48.29 | Blissex | Azar: but that's not what the page says... |
| 18:48.55 | greycat | oh yeah!?? well... well... mine supports drawing the screen image on a notebook full of paper and flipping through the pages! |
| 18:49.08 | Blissex | thegraham: yes, you can do it too. Just do it in exactly the same way Fedora does. |
| 18:49.15 | Lee__ | I saw a wireless notebook at the corner store for $0.99 |
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| 18:49.33 | Blissex | thegraham: just configure two independent screens and enable Xinerama. |
| 18:49.33 | lewis | dondelelcaro: thanks for the help so far (you too greycat) - any further ideas? |
| 18:49.35 | Lee__ | the optional graphite pointing device was $0.50 |
| 18:49.36 | Azar | NVDIST=unstable then vi sources.list to the url he writes there, two times, with $NVIDIA and with NVIDIA |
| 18:49.53 | Azar | 404 Not Found IP: xxxxxxxx |
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| 18:50.12 | schurro | hi folks |
| 18:50.18 | Rawplayer | hey |
| 18:50.33 | ideafix | what are sunrpc and bootpc sockets for ? |
| 18:50.43 | Azar | Blissex, in fact all url that he shows in his sources.list none works from my side here |
| 18:50.47 | greycat | ideafix: /msg dpkg open ports |
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| 18:50.56 | schurro | how does one a 'apt-get dist-upgrade' when the packages that _nned_ to be updated are "kept back". Is there a way to resolve that? |
| 18:50.57 | Nenillo | hi |
| 18:51.04 | greycat | schurro: /msg dpkg kept back |
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| 18:51.21 | Nenillo | /bin/sh: ./config.status: /bin/sh: bad interpreter: Permission Denied |
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| 18:51.29 | Nenillo | what can I do? |
| 18:51.34 | ideafix | greycat that dont explain it ! |
| 18:51.37 | greycat | Nenillo: ls -l ./config.status |
| 18:51.43 | greycat | ideafix: explain WHAT?? |
| 18:51.45 | greycat | JESUS! |
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| 18:51.54 | ideafix | greycat: get a grip |
| 18:52.06 | ideafix | what are sunrpc and bootpc sockets for ? |
| 18:52.06 | greycat | It's not bad enough I have to FUCKING READ YOUR MIND, but then you gripe when I fail to read ALL of it?! |
| 18:52.11 | Nenillo | greycat -rwxr-xr-x 1 root root 6827 2005-02-02 19:47 config.status |
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| 18:52.24 | greycat | Nenillo: does it begin with a proper shebang (#!/bin/sh)? |
| 18:52.29 | Nenillo | yes |
| 18:52.30 | Jacobo221 | wine seems unabel to run IE6 and following hte guides at winehq.org and other webs sites is of no help. is there any debian user here who has been able to run IE6 with wine? |
| 18:52.30 | schurro | greycat, thanks! |
| 18:52.37 | caphuso | Nenillo: don't use filesystems that are mounted wuth noexec for compiling stuff |
| 18:52.40 | greycat | Nenillo: then you're probably on a file system that's mounted with noexec or user |
| 18:52.50 | Azar | anyone knows where could I get a valid url for nvidia modules from debian site? |
| 18:52.51 | Nenillo | mmm |
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| 18:52.54 | greycat | !breastfeed ideafix |
| 18:52.55 | Blissex | Azar: that is very strange. |
| 18:52.56 | Nenillo | user can be |
| 18:53.24 | Blissex | Azar: I did afew days ago a good nice ``universal use'' 'sources.list' and 'apt.conf' for another n00b, and that should just work :-) |
| 18:53.27 | ideafix | greycat: cant i suck them both ? |
| 18:53.31 | Azar | Blissex, my sources has only two urls for updates and both are set to unstable |
| 18:53.33 | Azar | and work |
| 18:53.33 | Blissex | Azar: have a look at http://WWW.sabi.co.UK/Cfg/APT/ |
| 18:53.44 | Azar | thanks |
| 18:53.48 | ideafix | left nipple looks juicier |
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| 18:53.57 | Blissex | Azar: make sure you change the default distro level in the 'apt.conf' file to whatever you have. |
| 18:54.08 | lewis | !seen thomas_adam |
| 18:54.09 | dpkg | thomas_adam is currently on #debian. Has said a total of 37047 messages. Is idling for 2d 20m 32s |
| 18:54.35 | xuser | !seen xuser |
| 18:54.35 | dpkg | xuser is currently on #debian (1h 57m 22s). Has said a total of 76 messages. Is idling for 0s |
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| 18:55.00 | ideafix | greycat: let me guess bootpc socket is for something like PXE boot ? |
| 18:55.18 | greycat | bootpc 68/tcp # BOOTP client |
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| 18:55.28 | greycat | services(5) |
| 18:55.40 | Nenillo | thanks greycat, it was a noexec filesystem |
| 18:55.50 | thegraham | how do I setup two monitors? |
| 18:56.31 | thomas_adam | lewis: Can I help you? |
| 18:56.39 | ideafix | greycat why in the hell do i need bootpc running ? |
| 18:56.44 | lewis | thomas_adam: wicked |
| 18:56.46 | greycat | ideafix: you probably DON'T. |
| 18:57.05 | ideafix | hoe do i close it ? |
| 18:57.06 | greycat | ideafix: now, if you'd taken my ORIGINAL advice, you'd have learned not only why it's running, but what to do about it. |
| 18:57.08 | lewis | thomas_adam: i fixed all the exim problems - last problem is something with authentication |
| 18:57.12 | *** mode/#debian [+o dondelelcaro] by ChanServ |
| 18:57.21 | *** mode/#debian [-b *!*@200.212.137.130] by dondelelcaro |
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| 18:57.23 | Azar | Blissex I only have /etc/apt/conf.d/70debconf file which states DPkg::Pre-Install-Pkgs {" /usr/sbin/dpkg-preconfigure --apt || true";}; |
| 18:57.24 | fusibou | <PROTECTED> |
| 18:57.33 | ideafix | ORIGINAL advice ? |
| 18:57.37 | TheArtist | i just compiled a custom kernel and booted it but when i try to start X i get a "could not establish any listening sockets" error... anyone know why? |
| 18:57.40 | greycat | 13:50 ideafix> what are sunrpc and bootpc sockets for ? |
| 18:57.40 | greycat | 13:50 greycat> ideafix: /msg dpkg open ports |
| 18:57.40 | ideafix | RTFM ?! |
| 18:57.53 | lewis | thomas_adam: I get the following error message when trying to change passwd (has happened since an apt-upgrade): passwd: Authentication service cannot retrieve authentication info. |
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| 18:58.03 | ideafix | <PROTECTED> |
| 18:58.04 | thomas_adam | lewis: Check PAM. |
| 18:58.08 | greycat | *PLONK* |
| 18:58.30 | fusibou | ideafix obviously greycat is in a pissy mood. look elsewhere. this is getting boring. |
| 18:58.36 | ideafix | it only says how to get them listed |
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| 18:58.49 | Blissex | Azar: so, just download both the 'apt.conf' and 'sources.list' files from the URL I have indicated, and copy them to '/etc/apt/'. |
| 18:58.49 | lewis | thomas_adam: done that - /etc/pam.d/passwd references common-password - which contains: password required pam_unix.so nullok obscure min=4 max=8 md5 |
| 18:59.08 | ideafix | fusibou mind your buizness |
| 18:59.15 | Blissex | Azar: then edit '/etc/apt/apt.conf' to set the name of the Debian ``level'' you want. |
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| 18:59.24 | lewis | thomas_adam: I haven't changed anything in /etc/pam.d/ at all, and use regular authentication (no LDAP or MySQL stuff) |
| 18:59.24 | Deka | #qt |
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| 18:59.41 | fusibou | ideafix enjoy |
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| 19:00.00 | bni_ | anyone know if it is possible to use screen when you have "su":ed to another user. i get the message Cannot open your terminal '/dev/pts/7' - please check. |
| 19:00.08 | ld50 | im having some problems running X, it says module mga_hal not found, how can i correct this? |
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| 19:00.22 | ideafix | fusibou you wanna explain this craap to me or just to be a tard ? |
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| 19:00.54 | TheArtist | i just compiled a custom kernel and booted it but when i try to start X i get a "could not establish any listening sockets" error... anyone know why? |
| 19:00.57 | CraigDun | hi. i have a laptop running sarge with an ipw2200. I have the wireless working but now I need some software so that I can easily switch SSID and channel when I go from location to location. I tried laptop-net but it doesnt seem to do anything with SSID and WEP stuff. Any ideas? |
| 19:01.02 | ideafix | i guess your silence ansers it ... |
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| 19:01.32 | Blissex | CraigDun: there are load of those things... |
| 19:01.37 | Oryn | CraigDun: if you find anything, let me know :) |
| 19:01.43 | Blissex | CraigDun: for under KDE 'kwifimanager' |
| 19:01.51 | CraigDun | Blissex: i use gnome |
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| 19:02.48 | lewis | thomas_adam: any ideas? (if you know) |
| 19:02.49 | ideafix | greycat: i thought you to be more friendly but i guess you get feedup pretty fast ansering this "lusers" quastions |
| 19:03.22 | CraigDun | dpgk: groups |
| 19:03.37 | ideafix | can any one please explain what are sunrpc and bootpc sockets for ? |
| 19:03.45 | CraigDun | dpkg: groups |
| 19:03.45 | dpkg | CraigDun: parse error: dunno what the heck you're talking about |
| 19:03.53 | Blissex | CraigDun: there are several others, for GNOME as well as command line, perhaps try asking in #wireless. |
| 19:04.44 | thomas_adam | lewis: I would assume a PAM error at best. Have you checked the BTS? |
| 19:04.44 | lewis | thomas_adam: what's that? (I assumed the same - though can't seem to resolve - nor google, nor debian lists) |
| 19:05.01 | ideafix | can any one please explain what are sunrpc and bootpc sockets for ? are they really needed and if not why are they running by default ? |
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| 19:05.37 | abrotman | !portmap |
| 19:05.37 | whaq_ | hey guys, anyone use connexant wifi? minipci/notebook.. |
| 19:05.37 | dpkg | [portmap] for sun RPC based services (like NFS and NIS). To disable it, simply remove the "portmap" package. |
| 19:05.40 | Blissex | ideafix: the 'bootpc' probably not needed... |
| 19:05.57 | amahbod | hello, i have a question |
| 19:06.04 | ideafix | bootpc is for network boot ? |
| 19:06.21 | abrotman | !bootpc |
| 19:06.30 | abrotman | ideafix: use google .. it's smarter than most of us |
| 19:06.31 | ideafix | !bootpc |
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| 19:06.40 | amahbod | i am trying to do ./configure for MPLAYER with the --enable-gui flag, it says "Error: X11 support required for GUI compilation" |
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| 19:06.43 | greycat | I already pasted the line from services(5) for him. What the fuck is he asking for *now*? |
| 19:06.49 | amahbod | what exactly do i need |
| 19:06.50 | CraigDun | Blissex: not too much action in #wireless, you know any good ones for gnome? |
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| 19:06.57 | abrotman | !tell amahbod about mplayer |
| 19:06.59 | greycat | (It's really bad when you /ignore someone and you *still* get to see the same shit you tried to ignore...) |
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| 19:07.15 | fusibou | greycat :D |
| 19:07.17 | ideafix | greycat you didnt explain any thing |
| 19:07.25 | abrotman | ideafix: really .. go use google |
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| 19:07.38 | amahbod | abrotman: but the compilation works, it just doesnt enable the gui |
| 19:07.50 | amahbod | abrotman: what package do i need? |
| 19:07.50 | uGexe | fusibou: it still could not find the driver after putting it into the driver folder of xfree86 heh |
| 19:07.54 | abrotman | amahbod: so ask #mplayer .. not us |
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| 19:08.08 | abrotman | yay |
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| 19:08.28 | ideafix | this debian helpes should be called debian redirectors instead of helpers :P |
| 19:08.33 | fusibou | uGexe i don't think i have any other suggestions, sorry |
| 19:08.52 | abrotman | ideafix: good .. i'm going to redirect you to google .. now get! |
| 19:08.58 | ideafix | heh |
| 19:09.03 | smcavoy | Hello, anyone know how to "force" detection of unixware slices? |
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| 19:09.05 | lewis | thomas_adam: ah - the bug tracking system |
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| 19:09.29 | abrotman | smcavoy: you mean .. like SCO Unixware? |
| 19:09.41 | tr | ohoy! where can I stop smtp totally, not just by killing it once and after reboot its back on? =) |
| 19:10.02 | greycat | tr: you don't want to do that. |
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| 19:10.19 | smcavoy | abrotman: sort of, it's actually Interactive Unix which is similar. I've got the unix drive plugged into a Debian 3.1 system running 2.6.8 |
| 19:10.23 | tr | greycat: well I do sort of, but why wouldnt I? ;) I need the port elsewher (limited firewall xs) |
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| 19:10.58 | greycat | tr: so what you really mean to say is "I'm running Debian sarge (about a week old), and I'm using exim4, and I want exim to continue being my MTA, but I want it to stop listening on port 25 altogether, even on 127.0.0.1"? |
| 19:10.59 | abrotman | smcavoy: if you fdisk -l /dev/device .. does it show the partitions? |
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| 19:11.10 | Kupal[]_ | how can one sendmail from bash using sendmail. im t-shooting a php problem so it would be real helpful. |
| 19:11.12 | greycat | In that case, I can't answer you; I don't know exim4. |
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| 19:11.27 | abrotman | greycat: or he wants to get mail at home on his cable modem which his SA forbids |
| 19:11.35 | greycat | If the Greycat Mind Reading Service has failed to fulfill your telepathic needs, then you may apply in person for a full refund of your $0.00. |
| 19:11.41 | tr | greycat, well that might be pretty accurate except this particular system is bout a month old |
| 19:11.49 | smcavoy | abrotman: only the actual partition (GNU HURD or SysV) not the slices that exist within it. |
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| 19:12.03 | tr | hm perhaps i should try another port then hehe |
| 19:12.09 | xtream | does someone knows where can i find a program called badmemory? that "repairs" bad ram memory ?? |
| 19:12.12 | Manoj | hi folks |
| 19:12.13 | abrotman | smcavoy: isn't that the same as BSD slices? |
| 19:12.17 | smcavoy | abrotman: normally I've see slices autodetected, but this system only shows the partition |
| 19:12.20 | abrotman | xtream: it does no such thing |
| 19:12.26 | abrotman | !badmemory |
| 19:12.28 | fusibou | xtream i think you mean memtest86 and badram |
| 19:12.30 | xtream | abrotman ? |
| 19:12.32 | abrotman | !find badmemory |
| 19:12.36 | Manoj | I've updated my selinux uml page to reflect the latest patches |
| 19:12.38 | Azar | what means when apt-get upgrade tells that packages have been kept back? |
| 19:12.39 | abrotman | xtream: it does not repair on any level |
| 19:12.43 | xtream | fusibou ya, can be badram |
| 19:12.43 | dpkg | Debian Package/File/Desc Search of 'badmemory' returned no results. |
| 19:12.45 | greycat | tr: there *should* be a way to tell exim4 not to listen on any ports. I just don't know what it is. |
| 19:12.49 | smcavoy | abrotman: yes, and Linux maps them to /dev/hda5-10 |
| 19:12.51 | abrotman | xtream: it tells the system not to use certain parts of the stick |
| 19:12.52 | juhov | azar: /msg dpkg kept back |
| 19:13.03 | abrotman | smcavoy: but this is wrong? |
| 19:13.04 | tr | greycat, ok well that helps too im gonna try and rtfm a bit |
| 19:13.04 | Manoj | please check out http://www.golden-gryphon.com/software/security/selinux-uml.xhtml |
| 19:13.05 | xtream | abrotman memtest only tests the memory |
| 19:13.09 | Piru | usually these hacks allows one to use bad memory, the bad areas are just skipped. it does NOT repair anything, that's impossible. |
| 19:13.14 | abrotman | xtream: i didn't say jack about memtest |
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| 19:13.30 | Overfiend | 0M6!! R34D MY D3814N X F49 47 H77P://N3CR071C.D34D83457.W38/X5F/XFR3386/7RUNK/D3814N/L0C4L/F49.XH7ML N0W N0W N0W!!!11!1!!111! L0L!1! |
| 19:13.30 | abrotman | Manoj: you're always spamming us with security stuff |
| 19:13.45 | smcavoy | abrotman: it's not showing the slices, only one partition. I thought that maybe it was the only partition and tried to mount it, no dice bad super block error |
| 19:13.47 | fusibou | xtream memtest86 finds the bad ram and creates a file that bad ram uses to prevent linux from using the bad ram |
| 19:13.49 | abrotman | wtf was that |
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| 19:14.03 | greycat | !comfort Overfiend |
| 19:14.03 | xtream | Piru ya, it all i need |
| 19:14.04 | dpkg | There, there, Overfiend. It's OK. I'm here for you. |
| 19:14.07 | takatumi | DDs on crack. |
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| 19:14.30 | greycat | the sad part is that I can probably guess what the URL is supposed to be |
| 19:14.32 | Overfiend | I heard there was an automatic bannination filter for posting URLs in this channel. |
| 19:14.41 | Overfiend | greycat: moo ha ha ha. My disease spreads. |
| 19:14.44 | fusibou | xtream http://rick.vanrein.org/linux/badram/ |
| 19:14.55 | Piru | xtream, anyway, it's way better idea to replace the bad ram.. since sometimes failing ram gets worse over time |
| 19:14.56 | xtream | fusibou thanks a lot |
| 19:15.03 | abrotman | that took entire too damn long to decode |
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| 19:15.38 | xtream | Piru i understand, but i dont have a new dimm memory |
| 19:15.39 | Overfiend | it began life as "read my debian X faq at http://necrotic.deadbeast.net/xsf/XFree86/trunk/debian/local/FAQ.xhtml now now now!!" |
| 19:15.43 | greycat | Overfiend: there are no automatic bans unless you join-flood and piss off debhelper. Every ban we perform is lovingly hand-crafted. |
| 19:15.49 | Overfiend | greycat: heh |
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| 19:16.12 | Overfiend | I have a custom filter called "stupid" that I use to viciously mock people. |
| 19:16.16 | xtream | Piru and i'm trying to recompile my kernel to 2.6, and i'm getting gcc errors |
| 19:16.32 | Rawplayer | which errors? |
| 19:16.41 | Rawplayer | !error |
| 19:16.42 | dpkg | The error is on line 89373 |
| 19:16.47 | Rawplayer | !errors |
| 19:16.48 | dpkg | if you don't tell us the exact error messages you get, we can't tell you what's wrong, and it's also useful to know exactly what command you're typing. Please look for the *first* error that occurs, as this is often the cause of later errors |
| 19:17.03 | si|vercat | what's a good cd-recording gui? :) |
| 19:17.04 | Piru | xtream, well are you sure it's just failing ram, maybe the mobo is bust? |
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| 19:17.10 | greycat | si|vercat: k3b |
| 19:17.12 | juhov | si|vercat: k3b |
| 19:17.13 | fusibou | si|vercat k3b |
| 19:17.16 | si|vercat | hehe |
| 19:17.17 | abrotman | eroaster! |
| 19:17.17 | si|vercat | thanks. |
| 19:17.17 | lewis | any good way to reinstall pam.d, other than 'dpkg-reconfigure libpam-runtime' (and libpam-modules) |
| 19:17.18 | Phated | xterm! |
| 19:17.18 | greycat | ALL TOGETHER NOW! |
| 19:17.20 | Overfiend | jesus christ |
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| 19:17.28 | greycat | Overfiend: yes. it really is this bad here. |
| 19:17.32 | Rawplayer | Overfiend: you can call me kevin |
| 19:17.54 | Overfiend | greycat: nice to meet you |
| 19:17.56 | Phated | Overfiend: And we did use to think the mocking was all you. |
| 19:18.04 | xtream | Piru no, i'm sure that is the memory... memtest showed me some errors |
| 19:18.16 | abrotman | maybe we should borrow Overfiend for a week .. trim off a few dozen people |
| 19:18.16 | greycat | Overfiend: thanks |
| 19:18.17 | Piru | xtream, seen it too often, mobo giving errors in memtest, regardless of memory module. that sucks majorly. |
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| 19:18.26 | Overfiend | anyway, all you user types sux0r. You didn't reply to my RFC on -user. |
| 19:18.32 | xtream | Piru but, can be the mobo too... i don´t know |
| 19:18.34 | asuffield | nobody reads -user |
| 19:18.37 | Overfiend | If the plebes want me to do something for them, they have to do something for me! |
| 19:18.41 | asuffield | people only post to -user. they don't read it |
| 19:18.51 | Overfiend | asuffield: they do a good job of simulating follow-ups |
| 19:18.53 | Phated | Except to mock the #debian/rudeness thread. |
| 19:18.57 | helix | Overfiend: use simple language |
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| 19:19.00 | Overfiend | the level of traffic is truly dizzying, though |
| 19:19.02 | Piru | xtream, if you have any other memory module (2nd machine perhaps), try swapping the known working mem in and run memtest again |
| 19:19.03 | xtream | Piru, ya, i got this memory from other machine that was not working good |
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| 19:19.25 | Piru | xtream, if it works then, then it's only mem suckage and the mobo is ok |
| 19:19.25 | xtream | Piru, i have just one... |
| 19:19.25 | greycat | I have about a thousand unread on misc@openbsd.org |
| 19:19.26 | Piru | doh |
| 19:19.31 | asuffield | Overfiend: -user can have a thread going on for days where nobody has read any of the other mails in the thread. it's quite impressive, in a pathetic sort of way |
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| 19:19.49 | Phated | Impressively pathetic. |
| 19:19.51 | Overfiend | asuffield: sounds like -legal, when Sven Luther, Etienne Gagnon, or Steve McIntyre is involved. |
| 19:19.54 | asuffield | sort of like -private on steroids and LSD together |
| 19:20.04 | xtream | Piru, i'll try to recompile the kernel in other machine, or adding other memory in this machine |
| 19:20.12 | Piru | or -hentai |
| 19:20.17 | Piru | oops ;) |
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| 19:20.43 | Overfiend | greycat: you read the OpenBSD lists? Can you please tell us when Mount Theo is next due for an eruption? I need the entertainment. |
| 19:20.50 | lewis | greycat: sorry to disturb, any further ideas on what I could about this pam issue? tried everything |
| 19:21.03 | Piru | theo. eek. |
| 19:21.10 | greycat | Overfiend: I'm about 12 days behind on it. By the time I found out, it'd already have happened. |
| 19:21.18 | Overfiend | Theo has seemed excessively sane to me since he told XFree86 to go away. |
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| 19:21.27 | Overfiend | That messes with the balance of the universe. |
| 19:21.35 | scarynetworkguy | lewis: Hush now. Gods and demi-gods are talking. You should be sitting in awe. |
| 19:21.39 | Piru | the end is near. or something |
| 19:21.41 | martok | Hey, is Debian 3.0 r4 ok? |
| 19:21.46 | greycat | lewis: run "strace -s 512 -o /tmp/log passwd foobar" as root, where foobar is a real user, and then have fun reading the log file. It's a black art. |
| 19:21.46 | helix | I would use openbsd if it wasn't such crap |
| 19:22.01 | Overfiend | helix: That doesn't stop people from using Debian... |
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| 19:22.11 | greycat | martok: yes. |
| 19:22.12 | Phated | Piru: We're still waiting for the Chosen one to bring balance to the Force. |
| 19:22.12 | helix | Overfiend: debian is heavenly compared to openbsd |
| 19:22.14 | Overfiend | martok: better be, it's the latest stable release |
| 19:22.25 | martok | Oh, ok. |
| 19:22.26 | asuffield | helix: yeah. and I'd hit on you if you weren't so damned ugly :P |
| 19:22.31 | Phated | martok: It works fine for servers. |
| 19:22.42 | martok | Good! |
| 19:22.45 | greycat | bah. lynx wants to D)ownload or C)ancel that .xhtml URL of Overfiend's |
| 19:22.47 | martok | Good indeed. |
| 19:22.48 | Piru | phated, he'll just turn to dark side, wait and see! |
| 19:22.49 | Phated | BEcause you want a server, yes. |
| 19:22.53 | helix | asuffield wants me to have his children |
| 19:22.54 | Kerr | ergh.. xmms isn't playing fair! |
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| 19:22.55 | Phated | Piru: I got nothing against that. |
| 19:22.58 | Kerr | Inconsistency detected by ld.so: ../sysdeps/generic/dl-tls.c: 72: _dl_next_tls_modid: Assertion `result <= _rtld_local._dl_tls_max_dtv_idx' failed! |
| 19:22.59 | martok | Yes, I want a server, not a desktop machine. |
| 19:23.00 | scarynetworkguy | Piru: That would be the whole point. |
| 19:23.03 | Piru | :) |
| 19:23.05 | asuffield | helix: force-fed, preferably |
| 19:23.08 | Overfiend | asuffield: have a few drinks. All w0m3n l00k b3tt3r 4ft3r a f3w dr1nk5 |
| 19:23.10 | Kerr | what does that mean :-/ ? |
| 19:23.13 | greycat | dillo offers to Save link as file... |
| 19:23.22 | ideafix | is SELinux in debian ? |
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| 19:23.30 | martok | Have you guys checked out Ubuntu yet? |
| 19:23.31 | asuffield | Overfiend: you'd hit on bdale after a few drinks. in fact, I think you did |
| 19:23.34 | Overfiend | greycat: yes, lynx sucks |
| 19:23.43 | scarynetworkguy | ideafix: The ORA SELinux book as a very good howto for getting it set up. |
| 19:23.49 | sussudio | martok: have you checked out my squad of rabid badgers yet? |
| 19:24.00 | Overfiend | asuffield: I just wanted to kill him and eat his beard so that I could have it |
| 19:24.01 | ideafix | you mean TORA ? |
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| 19:24.15 | Overfiend | asuffield: I GROW STRONG ON THE FLESH OF MY ENEMIES! |
| 19:24.18 | abrotman | not tora you twit |
| 19:24.22 | martok | sussudio: That question is irelevant, you will be assimilated. |
| 19:24.26 | Phated | No, he means ORA. |
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| 19:24.41 | Overfiend | I am Dyslexic of Borg. Prepare to have your ass laminated. |
| 19:24.50 | lewis | greycat: argh - what am I looking for in it? |
| 19:24.51 | ideafix | what ORA sounds like some plug n pray stuff :-/ |
| 19:24.53 | martok | lol |
| 19:25.02 | streuner__ | Overfiend: don't yell, its lame ;-) |
| 19:25.05 | CraigDun | is there a pyGTK2 debian package? |
| 19:25.07 | Overfiend | Piggy: hadn't heard that one |
| 19:25.10 | greycat | lewis: "the problem" :) |
| 19:25.10 | abrotman | !tell ideafix about ora |
| 19:25.36 | Overfiend | streuner__: bwa ha ha ha. You obviously haven't had the misfortune of meeting me. I do a lot of yelling, and fear no perception of lameness. |
| 19:25.36 | greycat | lewis: hint: it's best to read strace logs from the bottom up. the interesting bits are usually right at the end. |
| 19:25.38 | fusibou | CraigDun synaptic is a gnome gui for apt-get and makes it easy to search |
| 19:25.41 | cld | hello:) i have installed debian on laptop, but in console i have screen with 80x25 chars but console is like in 80x30 chars and i can't see last 5 lines :(. what is wrong and how to repair this ?? thanks |
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| 19:26.01 | ideafix | i hate to mix technology with misticysm |
| 19:26.03 | lewis | greycat: cheers - only 463 lines |
| 19:26.08 | streuner | Overfiend: its bad luck that you don't come too often here |
| 19:26.16 | asuffield | pah, Overfiend isn't yelling until it's in inverse bold figlet |
| 19:26.19 | Overfiend | streuner: this channel got too busy for me ages ago |
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| 19:26.39 | Overfiend | it's only barely tolerable now, it's worse when the kids gets out of school |
| 19:26.50 | abrotman | you have kids!? |
| 19:27.00 | helix | abrotman: no, dummy |
| 19:27.02 | Overfiend | no, dumbass, the k1ds who use Debian |
| 19:27.03 | greycat | not *his* kids, silly. |
| 19:27.06 | Piru | :-) |
| 19:27.09 | helix | though he's more likely to breed than asuffield |
| 19:27.09 | abrotman | why am i the dummy .. he didn't specify! |
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| 19:27.18 | asuffield | Overfiend: speaking of schoolkids, meet Phated, she's your kind of pervert |
| 19:27.20 | greycat | abrotman: it's obvious in context. |
| 19:27.20 | helix | abrotman: the rest of us understood |
| 19:27.24 | abrotman | like i'm supposed to know if he has kids .. i didn't fucking personally deliver them |
| 19:27.43 | abrotman | for all i know his kids come home from school and make his life hell .. on top of the normal idiots in #debian |
| 19:27.49 | Overfiend | asuffield: OMG THERE IS F3M4L3 DEB1AN CH1X0R H3R3?!??!?!!? WH3RE WH3RE WH3RE WH3RE WH3RE |
| 19:27.51 | asuffield | helix: given that he's actually married and I'm far more sensible than him, sure |
| 19:28.07 | Azar | oh my I guess I upgraded the entire system, new lilo.conf , if I am lucky I will reboot ok |
| 19:28.13 | martok | Phated is a girl? |
| 19:28.14 | samuel | sup all |
| 19:28.19 | greycat | martok: does it matter? |
| 19:28.20 | helix | heh |
| 19:28.21 | Darien | does anyone know how to make 'less' not wrap text? |
| 19:28.22 | abrotman | like it's my fault |
| 19:28.28 | martok | greycat: Yes. |
| 19:28.30 | ideafix | ive read some were that debain has best suited for ages around 13 years old ! |
| 19:28.35 | greycat | martok: in that case, no, she's not a girl. |
| 19:28.45 | fusibou | :-D |
| 19:28.47 | Darien | who's a girl? |
| 19:28.48 | martok | greycat: I think she is! |
| 19:28.51 | helix | no one |
| 19:28.52 | Azar | :) |
| 19:28.53 | idnar | Overfiend: I believe someone read it as "Phate Daemon" |
| 19:28.55 | Darien | damn |
| 19:28.56 | Blissex | Darien: 'less -S' |
| 19:28.57 | helix | no girls in #debian, move along now |
| 19:28.59 | Piru | but considering the fact that this channel most likely covers most of the time zones, one can assume there are kids here most of the time. ouch. |
| 19:29.10 | Darien | Blissex: you rock |
| 19:29.16 | martok | ideafix: WTF? |
| 19:29.16 | Overfiend | Piru: yes, but none are quite as dumb as U.S. kids |
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| 19:29.32 | Piru | well, could be ;) |
| 19:29.44 | abrotman | ideafix: didn't you get banned a few days ago for trolling? |
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| 19:29.54 | Blissex | Darien: you can set as a default if you put it into '$LESS' |
| 19:29.57 | Overfiend | It's part of "No Child Left Behind", Bush's program for ensuring that all children are lobotomized down to the least common denominator. |
| 19:30.09 | ideafix | http://www.zdnet.com.au/news/software/0,2000061733,39179560,00.htm |
| 19:30.11 | Darien | Blissex: awesome |
| 19:30.15 | Overfiend | I had a math teacher who was into leather and chains, once. She was my denominatrix. |
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| 19:30.33 | lewis | greycat: how can I ensure that I have the latest versions of nsswitch.conf, /etc/pam.d/* config files? |
| 19:30.44 | martok | helix: you're a girl too? |
| 19:30.49 | helix | I meant his |
| 19:30.50 | martok | Wow, exciting. |
| 19:30.50 | jcamel2k5 | is there a quick a dirty way for me to just reload all of Xfree86? |
| 19:30.51 | helix | sorry |
| 19:30.54 | martok | Noooooooo! |
| 19:30.56 | sussudio | kawfee must've been in the Bush pilot program |
| 19:30.59 | martok | lol |
| 19:31.06 | Overfiend | jcamel2k5: WTF does that mean? |
| 19:31.08 | asuffield | argh. spaghetti in my hair |
| 19:31.09 | lewis | can I 'diff local_conf.con packages.debian.org/nsswitch.conf' or similar? |
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| 19:31.11 | Overfiend | "reload all of xfree86"? |
| 19:31.19 | helix | Overfiend: restart it? |
| 19:31.20 | Overfiend | jcamel2k5: you mean reinstall all of the xfree86 packages? |
| 19:31.25 | streuner | asuffield: somebody said to me onces, 'I don't yell, i speak only loudly' ;-) |
| 19:31.40 | jcamel2k5 | overfiend: welp, I don't know what happened, but it seems I'm missing libs |
| 19:31.47 | Overfiend | jcamel2k5: which one(s)? |
| 19:31.58 | martok | Does anyone know which iso image (3.0 r4) comes with the newest kernel? |
| 19:32.06 | Overfiend | idnar: u are no pub3sc3nt ch1x0r |
| 19:32.11 | jcamel2k5 | overfiend: "libXrender.so.1" to start with |
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| 19:32.12 | martok | lol |
| 19:32.13 | ideafix | idnar: join #kindergarden |
| 19:32.20 | Overfiend | jcamel2k5: woody or sarge/sid |
| 19:32.22 | Overfiend | ? |
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| 19:32.39 | idnar | ideafix: [freenode] -!- Cannot join to channel #kindergarten (You have joined to too many channels) |
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| 19:32.44 | jcamel2k5 | overfiend: but I really want to reinstall all XF86 packages....unstable |
| 19:32.48 | Overfiend | jcamel2k5: also, in approximately 330 days you will cease to exist. |
| 19:32.51 | helix | idnar: how many channels are you in? |
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| 19:32.55 | idnar | helix: 20 |
| 19:32.55 | pkern | Do you know if any of the ftp-masters is available on IRC? |
| 19:33.00 | helix | huh |
| 19:33.01 | ideafix | idnar: start by leaving this one |
| 19:33.10 | pkern | Or just present. Doesn't need to be available ;) |
| 19:33.14 | Overfiend | jcamel2k5: it's not as straightfoeward as I wish it were. I use stupid shell tricks to do it. |
| 19:33.21 | helix | pkern: eh, why? |
| 19:33.22 | Overfiend | jcamel2k5: I would experiment with.... |
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| 19:33.47 | asuffield | remove xfree86-common, then install x-window-system |
| 19:33.48 | idnar | I'll need to start running a second IRC connection or something |
| 19:33.49 | asuffield | that's close enough |
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| 19:34.00 | Overfiend | apt-get --reinstall install $(COLUMNS=300 dpkg -l | grep -F '4.3.0.dfsg.1' | awk '{print $2}') |
| 19:34.03 | Overfiend | asuffield: oh, come on |
| 19:34.06 | pkern | helix: Hm. Looking up something in the queue. It can't be that a new binary package is not approved after over a month, and no mail replies, even bouncing mail from the ftpmasters alias. |
| 19:34.16 | Overfiend | asuffield: I'm trying to impress the kids |
| 19:34.19 | common | this nickname sucks in #debian in freenode, every package contains *common* |
| 19:34.20 | helix | pkern: oh, new processing is taking forever |
| 19:34.25 | Overfiend | (and yes, I could have used awk to match the pattern) |
| 19:34.26 | asuffield | Overfiend: colour me lazy |
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| 19:34.29 | greycat | common: just the common ones. |
| 19:34.37 | asuffield | you didn't need to use bloody awk at all |
| 19:34.43 | pkern | helix: I noticed that. Development gets stuck because of this... grmpf. |
| 19:34.50 | asuffield | why do you always use awk for something inappropriate in every command? :P |
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| 19:34.54 | pkern | helix: ): |
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| 19:35.00 | Overfiend | asuffield: because it makes me look cool. |
| 19:35.03 | pkern | helix: Do you know why by chance? |
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| 19:35.04 | helix | pkern: I thought they had a run on the 26th though, if I heard correctly |
| 19:35.11 | toubsu | is there a linux equivalent to DUMeter? |
| 19:35.13 | NewSquid_FP | helloo.... |
| 19:35.14 | helix | pkern: because ftpmasters get busy |
| 19:35.20 | pkern | helix: Yeah I know that. |
| 19:35.23 | pkern | helix: ;) |
| 19:35.35 | helix | pkern: but mail is bouncing? that... shouldn't happen |
| 19:35.37 | pkern | But bug processing of ftp.debian.org at the bts is also slow. |
| 19:35.41 | helix | assuming the right address |
| 19:35.43 | NewSquid_FP | PVT-me brasilians |
| 19:35.44 | helix | yes |
| 19:35.46 | pkern | Just of one person I suppose. |
| 19:35.48 | NewSquid_FP | plixxx |
| 19:35.50 | helix | NewSquid_FP: don't do that |
| 19:35.54 | sussudio | !texugo NewSquid_FP |
| 19:35.55 | dpkg | NewSquid_FP: texugo texugo texugo texugo texugo cogumelo cogumelo texugo texugo texugo texugo texugo texugo serpeeente oooh serpeenteeeee! |
| 19:35.55 | NewSquid_FP | not? |
| 19:35.58 | Overfiend | asuffield: what do you propose for stripping out the package name? |
| 19:36.00 | greycat | dpkg, no, xfaq is http://necrotic.deadbeast.net/xsf/XFree86/trunk/debian/local/FAQ.xhtml or /usr/share/doc/xfree86-common/FAQ |
| 19:36.00 | dpkg | greycat: okay |
| 19:36.01 | helix | NewSquid_FP: #debian-br |
| 19:36.04 | asuffield | Overfiend: cut |
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| 19:36.06 | NewSquid_FP | okay |
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| 19:36.14 | Overfiend | cut is for weenies |
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| 19:36.17 | Overfiend | just ask a rabbi |
| 19:36.23 | common | thank greycat for this highlighting example |
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| 19:36.49 | slocate | Overfiend: ROTFL |
| 19:36.55 | pkern | helix: So I will just wait on the next run. |
| 19:37.11 | pkern | helix: As Sarge doesn't get released too soon (haha) that will be fine I think ;) |
| 19:37.23 | helix | pkern: which package are you waiting for? |
| 19:37.35 | jcamel2k5 | thx, guys...I'll just reincarnate in 330 days! |
| 19:37.50 | greycat | !sarge guess |
| 19:37.52 | dpkg | At a guess, sarge will be ready in about... 2 weeks, or see <guess>. |
| 19:37.56 | zaikxtox | hello. my boss wants a mail server to use shared calendar (an MS Outlook feature). Does i need the MS Exchange server or i can use Cyrus or other? |
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| 19:38.05 | greycat | !when will sarge be released |
| 19:38.06 | dpkg | Hold on, let me get some entrails... ok, sarge should be out by Passover. |
| 19:38.28 | pkern | A highly unimportant package -- mydns-postgres -- but people had asked for it, tested it, and it should go into Sarge ;) |
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| 19:38.33 | asuffield | outlook only works with exchange. please have your credit card ready. |
| 19:38.49 | pkern | But it blocks other changes aswell. I had three revisions by now. |
| 19:38.54 | pkern | None went even in unstable. |
| 19:39.06 | lewis | which package are the /etc/pam.d/ files found in? |
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| 19:39.10 | zaikxtox | asuffield, thanks. but the credit card is not my problem. i usually prefer to use debian instead of windows! |
| 19:39.13 | greycat | lewis: dpkg -S is your friend., |
| 19:39.23 | asuffield | it will be when you see the price tag on outlook |
| 19:39.26 | greycat | zaikxtox: then you must replace Outlook too. |
| 19:39.27 | jcamel2k5 | craps...nuke "xfree86-common" definitely is not the answer...it takes too many players with it. |
| 19:39.47 | abrotman | zaikxtox: ask #suse |
| 19:39.54 | zaikxtox | greycat, maybe. that would be great for me! |
| 19:39.57 | abrotman | zaikxtox: and i'm not joking |
| 19:40.16 | greycat | Overfiend: we have to deduct 5 points for using both grep and awk in the same pipeline. |
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| 19:40.29 | Kerr | Inconsistency detected by ld.so: ../sysdeps/generic/dl-tls.c: 72: _dl_next_tls_modid: Assertion `result <= _rtld_local._dl_tls_max_dtv_idx' failed! :I get this, when trying to launch xmms.. what went wrong? |
| 19:40.39 | sgeigerbot | greycat: outlook runs under x-over office... |
| 19:40.40 | Overfiend | 14:34 < Overfiend> (and yes, I could have used awk to match the pattern) |
| 19:40.54 | asuffield | Overfiend: I bet you'd have invoked awk twice |
| 19:40.58 | zaikxtox | abrotman, thanks . i will have a look at cyrus to see if i have some luck |
| 19:40.59 | zaikxtox | :) |
| 19:41.00 | zaikxtox | thanks |
| 19:41.01 | helix | btw, Overfiend, how do you like irssi? |
| 19:41.08 | pkern | dpkg: tls |
| 19:41.08 | dpkg | tls is probably Transport Layer Security (ssl), or Thread-Local Storage, or in polish, TrzyLiterowy Skrot, translated to ThreeLetter Acronym |
| 19:41.09 | abrotman | zaikxtox: ok . fine .. ignore me |
| 19:41.13 | Overfiend | helix: I don't fuck up with mischans anymore, really |
| 19:41.17 | helix | woo |
| 19:41.17 | pkern | dpkg: thread-local storage |
| 19:41.18 | dpkg | pkern: I don't know, could you explain it? |
| 19:41.21 | pkern | |: |
| 19:41.25 | Overfiend | and 1 client for multiple networks is pretty nice |
| 19:41.29 | zaikxtox | abrotman, no, i'm sure you are right |
| 19:41.36 | helix | you couldn't do that with epic? |
| 19:41.40 | abrotman | zaikxtox: google for OpenExchange |
| 19:41.46 | Overfiend | helix: didn't know how, at least |
| 19:41.48 | helix | ah |
| 19:41.49 | zaikxtox | abrotman, ok. i will |
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| 19:41.53 | asuffield | helix: you have to realise that epic is the IRC equivalent of fucking an iron railing |
| 19:41.55 | sobersabre | hi guys... |
| 19:42.02 | Overfiend | asuffield: stop, you're making me horny |
| 19:42.06 | helix | we all have our fetishes, I suppose |
| 19:42.11 | helix | but I've never used epic |
| 19:42.19 | sussudio | in soviet russia, iron railing fucks you |
| 19:42.20 | pkern | Kerr: 1) try running ldconfig as root 2) try moving /lib/tls to /tmp to test if xmms runs correctly then 3) file a bug (: |
| 19:42.44 | greycat | I don't even want to contemplate what bitchx is the equivalent of fucking |
| 19:42.53 | pkern | dpkg: thread-local storage is implemented by the glibc in /lib/tls which can be safely moved away if you are stuck with related problems |
| 19:42.53 | asuffield | it's in the name |
| 19:42.53 | dpkg | okay, pkern |
| 19:43.19 | sobersabre | i don't remember a search engine's name. it has this interface that i liked: the subjects are displayed as graph nodes, and if you click it, subsidial ones also float as graph nodes...etc. it is blue... does anybody know it ? |
| 19:43.27 | sgeigerbot | I wonder whether sussudio has a fucking bot outputting that soviet russian crap |
| 19:43.50 | lewis | grr - i've been working on this same problem for three hours, all of the files look ok, yet I still get the PAM error - I have tried reinstalling the packages, googling, BTS, debian lists |
| 19:43.52 | greycat | in soviet russia, crap outputs you |
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| 19:44.15 | takatumi | that would be the mother of all crap. |
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| 19:45.22 | helix | mmm, russians |
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| 19:45.44 | Martok | Anybody ever order one of those russian mail order brides? |
| 19:45.46 | sussudio | helix: got sprouts? |
| 19:45.50 | helix | always |
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| 19:46.08 | Overfiend | ugh! |
| 19:46.13 | Overfiend | who's been lying to dpkg? |
| 19:46.20 | greycat | probably everyone |
| 19:46.22 | Overfiend | dpkg, 14:34 < Overfiend> (and yes, I could have used awk to match the pattern) |
| 19:46.22 | dpkg | You are moron #2, Overfiend |
| 19:46.26 | Overfiend | god damn it |
| 19:46.29 | Overfiend | fucking selection bug |
| 19:46.37 | streuner | haha |
| 19:46.51 | asuffield | "sprouts: a minor, highly contagious parasite of the lower rectum" |
| 19:47.06 | sgeigerbot | sobersabre: www.kartoo.com/ |
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| 19:47.09 | pkern | helix: Are you a DD by yourself? |
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| 19:47.41 | Overfiend | no, xfaq is the Debian X FAQ; http://necrotic.deadbeast.net/xsf/XFree86/trunk/debian/local/FAQ.xhtml or /usr/share/doc/xfree86-common/FAQ (woody) or /usr/share/doc/xfree86-common/FAQ.{gz,xhtml} (sarge,sid) |
| 19:47.45 | Overfiend | bah |
| 19:47.48 | Overfiend | dpkg: no, xfaq is the Debian X FAQ; http://necrotic.deadbeast.net/xsf/XFree86/trunk/debian/local/FAQ.xhtml or /usr/share/doc/xfree86-common/FAQ (woody) or /usr/share/doc/xfree86-common/FAQ.{gz,xhtml} (sarge,sid) |
| 19:47.49 | dpkg | okay, Overfiend |
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| 19:47.53 | Overfiend | !xfaq |
| 19:47.53 | dpkg | extra, extra, read all about it, xfaq is the Debian X FAQ; http://necrotic.deadbeast.net/xsf/XFree86/trunk/debian/local/FAQ.xhtml or /usr/share/doc/xfree86-common/FAQ (woody) or /usr/share/doc/xfree86-common/FAQ.{gz,xhtml} (sarge,sid) |
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| 19:47.57 | Overfiend | Good. |
| 19:48.17 | Overfiend | !don't let anyone else fuck with xfaq |
| 19:48.23 | greycat | you should've seen what it was *before*. |
| 19:48.29 | Overfiend | some artificial intelligence THIS thing has |
| 19:48.30 | pepperpot | Where should I set up my route information? I'm tired of manually typing it in each time I boot. Should I create something in init.d? |
| 19:48.32 | greycat | 14:35 <-dpkg[~dpkg@dpkg.user] somebody said xfaq was in /usr/doc/xfree86-common/FAQ |
| 19:48.47 | asuffield | hah, that's slink or something |
| 19:48.53 | greycat | potato I think |
| 19:49.00 | Overfiend | Santiago still shipped the compat symlink, though |
| 19:49.01 | Rawplayer | what is the best way to setup a vpn? |
| 19:49.02 | asuffield | nah, we killed off /usr/doc for potato |
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| 19:49.05 | Overfiend | so it should have still worked. |
| 19:49.07 | Overfiend | we did? |
| 19:49.09 | asuffield | it was just a link farm by then |
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| 19:49.14 | Overfiend | it seemed like we were stuck with it forever |
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| 19:49.16 | greycat | I thought /usr/doc was still there in potato |
| 19:49.23 | sgeigerbot | Rawplayer: openvpn is one of the better linux-based vpn packages |
| 19:49.26 | Overfiend | it's still there in sarge! |
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| 19:49.33 | Overfiend | sid! |
| 19:49.34 | Overfiend | yeesh |
| 19:49.36 | asuffield | not if you delete the fucker |
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| 19:49.43 | pkern | Some broken packages still install into /usr/doc |: |
| 19:49.43 | greycat | it's pretty empty in sarge, though |
| 19:49.45 | Overfiend | $ ls /usr/doc |
| 19:49.45 | Overfiend | at dlocate fvwm-icons libdns5 liblockfile1 libssl095a mimedecode sysklogd update xless |
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| 19:49.49 | Overfiend | bwbasic dpkg-awk ipchains libelfg0 librplay3 linuxdoc-tools miscfiles sysutils util-linux yabasic |
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| 19:49.51 | Overfiend | cpio elvis-tiny klogd libisc4 librplay3-dev linuxdoc-tools-text shared-mime-info ttf-thryomanes vrms |
| 19:49.51 | Rawplayer | sgeigerbot: what about ip to ip tunnel or ipsec? |
| 19:49.52 | greycat | arc1:~# ls /usr/doc |
| 19:49.52 | greycat | at cpio ipchains klogd libbz2-1.0 liblockfile1 sysklogd util-linux |
| 19:49.54 | Overfiend | someone destroy all of those packages |
| 19:49.56 | bactis | how does mkinitrd work in debian?? |
| 19:49.59 | pepperpot | Should route -add blah blah go in /etc/network in some ifup file? |
| 19:50.01 | Overfiend | bactis: poorly |
| 19:50.10 | asuffield | half of those aren't maintained. some are on the -legal shitlist |
| 19:50.13 | asuffield | why am I not surprised? |
| 19:50.14 | sgeigerbot | Rawplayer: Do your homework before asking questions. If it were an easy answer, as you seem to think, you would likely have your answer by now. This is a complicated thing, so you aren't going to get a magical answer that cures your ills. Do a little research so you can formulate educated questions (which will show that you have done your homework), and only then ask other people for help. |
| 19:50.16 | jcamel2k5 | Overfiend: nice trick...thx! |
| 19:50.17 | greycat | bactis: you usually want make-kpkg --initrd |
| 19:50.21 | Overfiend | jcamel2k5: np |
| 19:50.22 | teclo | I have the following problem: I boot from the Sarge install cd, debian-installer starts, I select language and keymap, then it does its hardware detection, then says it cannont mount the cdrom... perhaps a hardware issue... any idea ? |
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| 19:50.51 | Overfiend | "ttf-thryomanes"? WTF is that and why do I have it installed/ |
| 19:50.54 | Rawplayer | sgeigerbot: i have vpn already with openvpn but i justed wanted to know what the other options are |
| 19:51.04 | greycat | !info ttf-thryomanes sid |
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| 19:51.11 | dpkg | ttf-thryomanes: (A Unicode font covering Latin, Greek, Cyrillic and IPA), section x11, is optional. Version: 1:1.1-1 (sid), Packaged size: 653 kB, Installed size: 1512 kB |
| 19:51.13 | bactis | greycat: i've compiled a new kernel and the manual says to da a initial ramdisk with mkinitrd.. so can i do this with make-kpkg --initrd ? |
| 19:51.16 | Rawplayer | and why you should use ip to ip tunnel instead of openvpn |
| 19:51.17 | sobersabre | sgeigerbot, no, it was something else, with a graph network (like a web) and the vertices were subjects. after you cvick one, u get it focused and from it you get more edges with sub_subjects etc.... hell can't recall it !!! |
| 19:51.21 | greycat | bactis: yes, I think. |
| 19:51.23 | Overfiend | dpkg: oh, that's why. IPA. |
| 19:51.23 | dpkg | i don't know, Overfiend |
| 19:51.29 | Overfiend | damnit |
| 19:51.31 | Overfiend | s/dpkg/greycat/ |
| 19:51.36 | pkern | Does anyone know if experimental has new processing? |
| 19:51.46 | pkern | Or if packages are accepted without being held? |
| 19:51.50 | pkern | dpkg: experimental? |
| 19:51.50 | dpkg | experimental is the bloody edge of Debian Development. Packages here have been deemed unfit for release by the maintainer responsible for them. DO NOT INSTALL PACKAGES FROM EXPERIMENTAL WITHOUT KNOWING EXACTLY WHY AND WHAT YOU ARE DOING. #debian does not support experimental. |
| 19:52.10 | asuffield | bloody edge? more like bleeding wound |
| 19:52.16 | Overfiend | dpkg: volatile? |
| 19:52.16 | dpkg | i guess volatile is chillin' |
| 19:52.22 | pkern | lol |
| 19:52.22 | Overfiend | cute. |
| 19:52.28 | pkern | dpkg: debian-volatile? |
| 19:52.29 | dpkg | pkern: no idea |
| 19:52.31 | Azar | where could I go and customize the default boot level so after I configure nvidia and xfree I wont boot directly in X , but rather in console mode? |
| 19:52.33 | pkern | Heh. |
| 19:52.34 | bactis | greycat: don't i need to give the initrd file a certain name? |
| 19:52.35 | pkern | o_O |
| 19:52.39 | asuffield | dpkg: factstats volatile |
| 19:52.41 | dpkg | error: invalid type => 'volatile'. |
| 19:52.44 | greycat | bactis: make-kpkg is supposed to do all that crap for you |
| 19:52.46 | asuffield | pah |
| 19:52.49 | asuffield | dpkg: factinfo volatile |
| 19:52.49 | dpkg | volatile -- created by volatile <volatile@nic-160-c214-007.mw.mediaone.net> at Sat Sep 22 09:28:05 2001 (1229 days); it has been requested 5 times, last by Overfiend, 34s ago. |
| 19:52.55 | asuffield | too old |
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| 19:53.11 | bactis | okay thank you very much :) |
| 19:53.13 | asuffield | that'll have been some lunatic trying to talk to the bot |
| 19:53.34 | sobersabre | how much FPS should i expect from glxgears in fullscreen on a laptop with intel 82852/855GM card ? |
| 19:53.48 | greycat | dpkg: radioactive contagious and explosive? |
| 19:53.49 | dpkg | greycat: i don't know |
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| 19:53.53 | fusibou | Azar default is /etc/rc2.d; disable xdm/gdm/kdm whatever there |
| 19:54.16 | pkern | dpkg, volatile is debian-volatile, a project aiming to gather fast moving targets in an own "release" system. It can be found at http://volatile.debian.net/ |
| 19:54.16 | dpkg | ...but volatile is already something else... |
| 19:54.21 | sgeigerbot | sobersabre: search for "visual search engine" there are quite a few... not sure that this is what you want, though. |
| 19:54.23 | greycat | pkern: "dpkg, no, volatile is ..." |
| 19:54.27 | pkern | dpkg, no, volatile is debian-volatile, a project aiming to gather fast moving targets in an own "release" system. It can be found at http://volatile.debian.net/ |
| 19:54.27 | dpkg | pkern: okay |
| 19:54.33 | pkern | greycat: Yeah I got it ;) |
| 19:54.35 | sobersabre | sgeigerbot, thanks, man :) |
| 19:54.39 | pkern | dpkg: volatile? |
| 19:54.39 | dpkg | volatile is probably debian-volatile, a project aiming to gather fast moving targets in an own "release" system. It can be found at http://volatile.debian.net/ |
| 19:54.47 | sussudio | !tell pkern about msg the bot |
| 19:54.48 | Azar | thank you fusibou |
| 19:54.55 | Overfiend | dpkg: factinfo Overfiend |
| 19:54.55 | dpkg | overfiend -- created by Mercury <warp-irc@24.88.38.242> at Sat Jul 29 03:39:31 2000 (1649 days); last modified at Mon Oct 28 17:31:09 2002 by blarf!alex@utterly.kicks-ass.org; it has been requested 21 times, last by LeoNerd at Mon Jan 10 17:39:07 2005. |
| 19:55.04 | greycat | !factinfo overfiendsphallus |
| 19:55.04 | dpkg | overfiendsphallus -- it has been requested 48 times, last by greycat, 1d 4h 14m 24s ago. |
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| 19:55.28 | asuffield | overfiendsphallus is so damned old that it predates the storing of dates in the fucking database |
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| 19:55.33 | greycat | you know a factoid has *real* seniority when it lacks a last-modified timestamp |
| 19:55.37 | Overfiend | bwa ha. |
| 19:55.48 | asuffield | that's like 1990s or something |
| 19:56.07 | idnar | !overfiendsphallus |
| 19:56.07 | dpkg | Today will be a day long remembered. Today we launched the massive phallus Debian 2.0, a towering penis of software, larger than any other Linux distribution ever made. We Got the Big Dicks. |
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| 19:56.28 | MikeCamel | hile, folks. I've got a machine which I've just dist-upgraded, and for which the /var/lib/dpkg/info directory is scr*wed. Anyone know how to rebuild it? |
| 19:56.43 | greycat | MikeCamel: restore it from your last backup |
| 19:56.47 | Overfiend | Hey, I actually remember saying that. |
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| 19:57.00 | zOap | hey, I have installed another graphic card in my computer. how do i get to the debian detect new devices window? |
| 19:57.05 | MikeCamel | greycat - not that easy - I've just dist-upgraded, remember. |
| 19:57.07 | Martok | What is this "backup"? |
| 19:57.40 | asuffield | MikeCamel: so restore everything else from your last backup too |
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| 19:57.49 | greycat | and then don't dist-upgrade again. |
| 19:57.57 | fusibou | zOap never heard of such a thing |
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| 19:58.15 | MikeCamel | I've just recommissioned the machine after 6 months off. no backups of any use. |
| 19:58.23 | zOap | greycat, can you help me? i've installed a new graphic card. debian testing. how do i get to install the driver? |
| 19:58.28 | asuffield | MikeCamel: you just decommissioned it too. your box is dead. |
| 19:58.36 | greycat | zOap: you have two graphics cards in it now? |
| 19:58.43 | mandarin | hi, I want to know if i need to build a package for my own use, what permission do i give to the source files ? root ? |
| 19:58.51 | MikeCamel | nolan, it's not. there's got to be a way to rebuild that directory. |
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| 19:58.58 | zOap | greycat, yes, because the first is a onboard intel 810. |
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| 19:59.00 | asuffield | no there hasn't |
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| 19:59.06 | greycat | zOap: ah. /msg dpkg set up x |
| 19:59.14 | zOap | greycat, thnx |
| 19:59.16 | asuffield | there is not some magical source of backups in the sky from which you can reproduce destroyed data |
| 19:59.23 | asuffield | dead is daed |
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| 19:59.40 | Cisyouc | data heaven |
| 19:59.44 | MikeCamel | all that's there is a list of which packages have what files in them. the rest of the box is fine. |
| 19:59.47 | Overfiend | JUST SAY NO to the frame buffer. |
| 19:59.49 | greycat | you mean /dev/null is read only?!? |
| 19:59.50 | Overfiend | !"!!?!? |
| 19:59.50 | dpkg | hmm... " is " |
| 19:59.52 | greycat | err. |
| 19:59.52 | Overfiend | LIES! |
| 19:59.55 | greycat | you mean /dev/null is write only?!? |
| 20:00.19 | idnar | < dpkg> hmm... " is " --- huh? |
| 20:00.38 | Overfiend | !factinfo set up x |
| 20:00.38 | dpkg | set up x -- last modified at Tue May 4 22:57:29 2004 by Gnea!~gnea@roc-66-66-195-0.rochester.rr.com; it has been requested 781 times, last by Overfiend, 1m 17s ago. |
| 20:00.50 | zOap | greycat, nothing happens when i /msg dpkg setup x |
| 20:01.31 | abrotman | use toresbe to do it |
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| 20:02.01 | fusibou | zOap for multihead, start here http://www.linuxdig.com/howto/ldp/Xinerama-HOWTO.php |
| 20:02.04 | streuner | Overfiend: the most users got there videocards working, so ... ;-) |
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| 20:02.22 | asuffield | dpkg: status |
| 20:02.23 | dpkg | Since Mon Jan 31 18:06:46 2005, there have been 26 modifications, 1114 questions, 262 dunnos, 2 morons and 333 commands. I have been awake for 2d 1h 55m 37s this session, and currently reference 25127 factoids. I'm using about 16044 kB of memory. With 0 active forks. Process time user/system 405.97/19.68 child 409.49/32.35 |
| 20:02.31 | abrotman | only 2 morons? |
| 20:02.34 | asuffield | Overfiend: it does seem rather unlikely |
| 20:02.43 | asuffield | abrotman: in two days |
| 20:02.51 | zOap | fusibou, but what if i just wanna disable the onboar? i just want i bigger resolution and the intel 810 sucks |
| 20:02.55 | asuffield | no active forks, bloody zombie |
| 20:03.01 | toresbe | I can't, too busy doing nothing |
| 20:03.05 | CraigDun | is it a good idea to replace dhcp-client with dhcpcd? |
| 20:03.16 | Overfiend | if the fork is inactive, whang it against something hard so it will resonate |
| 20:03.19 | asuffield | only if you really really want dhcp to stop working |
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| 20:03.49 | abrotman | asuffield: uh .. yeah . i guess that was just two days ago .. been a long week so far |
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| 20:05.23 | fusibou | zOap http://members.porchlight.ca/charm/wclp/cfg-x-windows.html where xserver is xfree86 |
| 20:05.24 | abrotman | asuffield: i really thought tonight was buckabeer |
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| 20:05.39 | zOap | fusch, thnx |
| 20:05.40 | ReclusE | anyone know the name of the module dependencies file? |
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| 20:06.02 | underplay | wow |
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| 20:06.08 | underplay | debian...but be good ;D |
| 20:06.11 | underplay | must* |
| 20:06.19 | streuner | OT-question: what do you think about this? http://daemlich.net/4856 |
| 20:06.21 | fusibou | zOap the multihead instructions are pretty good for general background though anyway |
| 20:06.25 | helix | abrotman: buckabeer? |
| 20:06.32 | ReclusE | anyone know the name of the module dependencies file? |
| 20:06.34 | zOap | fusch, thnxx |
| 20:06.36 | helix | woo, boss is gone |
| 20:06.38 | zOap | fusch, thnx |
| 20:06.43 | zOap | bla |
| 20:06.53 | underplay | does anybody have a nforce mobo with the drivers installed? |
| 20:06.59 | abrotman | !buckabeer |
| 20:06.59 | dpkg | extra, extra, read all about it, buckabeer is time for abrotman to go .. thursday 5:30pm .. buckabeer at rock bottom |
| 20:07.02 | streuner | ReclusE: what? |
| 20:07.13 | helix | I guess that means each beer is a dollar? |
| 20:07.18 | abrotman | helix: $1 drafts at a place near my office .. all day :) |
| 20:07.28 | helix | drinkers-- |
| 20:07.29 | ReclusE | when I boot my system I get an error that the module dependencies file cant be found |
| 20:07.34 | Overfiend | no, it means there is an electric rocking horse that has had its chassis modified to resemble a large can of beer |
| 20:07.45 | abrotman | helix: a few weeks ago .. about 8 of us went .. about 6 hours later .. the bill was 75$ for all the beer .. and all the food |
| 20:07.51 | helix | lame |
| 20:07.54 | Overfiend | one climbs on, inserts a quarter, and reels |
| 20:07.55 | abrotman | lame? |
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| 20:08.00 | Lee__ | ReclusE: where is the module dependencies file? |
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| 20:08.10 | helix | abrotman: yes, drinkers are lame |
| 20:08.11 | streuner | ReclusE: what did you change? |
| 20:08.14 | ReclusE | thats my question..... |
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| 20:08.27 | abrotman | helix: some of us go for food .. some go for beer .. |
| 20:08.28 | cahoot | helix: in time the get so |
| 20:08.29 | asuffield | helix probably drinks fermented breast milk or something |
| 20:08.44 | ReclusE | nothing, I came in to work this am and my machine had been rebooted (curiously) now it says it cant find this file |
| 20:08.51 | Overfiend | asuffield: sounds like a nice chaser for some Scotch |
| 20:08.57 | emitchlpd | I just installed 2.6.9 on sid. During the bootup, everything is fine, but right after it configured the network interface the screen suddenly becomes dim, like the letters are grey |
| 20:08.57 | SpamHog | QUESTION - Where can I see how many .debs (say, as %) are in synch between Woody and Sarge? There must be quite a few. |
| 20:09.01 | Lee__ | ReclusE: I believe the manpage for depmod might help |
| 20:09.03 | abrotman | helix: i'm not forcing you to drink .. but can't you go and have a good time? |
| 20:09.05 | helix | I drink water |
| 20:09.05 | Overfiend | it's been over a month since I've drunk anything |
| 20:09.11 | emitchlpd | does anyone know why that's happening? |
| 20:09.14 | Overfiend | with alcohol in it that is. |
| 20:09.18 | Madeye | Hi, my computer shuted down twice today for powershortage, Now, my HDD giving a noisy sound, Do I need to do some "Scandisk or disk defragment" ? any good tool for that? |
| 20:09.19 | helix | abrotman: have a good time? well, not usually around drinkers |
| 20:09.35 | SpamHog | is this #12steps ? |
| 20:09.36 | CraigDun | where do i find the dhcp-client executable? |
| 20:09.39 | asuffield | abrotman: it is generally impossible for anybody sober to have a good time with drunken idiots |
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| 20:09.52 | asuffield | unless they *like* getting vomited on |
| 20:10.03 | abrotman | helix: so you don't converse well with others? |
| 20:10.07 | Lee__ | Madeye: install smartmontools, generate some data and replace the drive with your manufacturers warranty. |
| 20:10.26 | helix | abrotman: I do, and I don't need to be drunk to do it |
| 20:10.26 | Overfiend | asuffield: I don't know about that. When I knocked back some scotch and gin around New Year's in #d-d, people seemed to enjoy making fun of me. |
| 20:10.27 | Overfiend | asuffield: OTOH, they ALWAYS enjoy that |
| 20:10.28 | abrotman | helix: i didn't ask you to be drunk .. |
| 20:10.35 | helix | abrotman: I know |
| 20:10.38 | abrotman | asuffield: drunken and drinking are different |
| 20:10.49 | asuffield | abrotman: the difference being about twenty minutes |
| 20:10.55 | helix | abrotman: I'm making fun of socially maladjusted people who need alcohol to have fun and converse with others |
| 20:10.56 | Overfiend | abrotman: give up, dude. Asking for tolerance is like asking for sex. It may be sincere, but it just looks pathetic, and is invariably futile. |
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| 20:11.01 | abrotman | helix: i've had good conversations with Suse idiots while drinking .. the beer has nothing to do with it |
| 20:11.10 | fusibou | Madeye backup your critical data immediately |
| 20:11.10 | abrotman | asuffield: 30 minutes tops :) |
| 20:11.13 | underplay | does kde 3.3 come with the debie installation? |
| 20:11.18 | helix | Overfiend: I prefer to pick on you while you're sober :) |
| 20:11.24 | Lee__ | can I make fun of self-righteous people who brag about "getting high on life"? |
| 20:11.28 | asuffield | Overfiend: you are being very obviously married today :P |
| 20:11.30 | Overfiend | Lee__: yes, please |
| 20:11.32 | abrotman | helix: how about we make fun of you for the inability to socialize with people who consume alcohol? |
| 20:11.32 | helix | Overfiend: luckily you're usually sober :) |
| 20:11.35 | Overfiend | asuffield: huh? |
| 20:11.38 | CraigDun | this program wifi radar that im trying to use says it wants to use dhcpcd. can i replace that with the path of dhcp-client? i would try if i knew where dhcp-client was |
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| 20:11.41 | SpamHog | Madeye: fsck - but it should have started automatically; also, no good for HW ckeck, as opposed to file ssystem check |
| 20:11.49 | helix | abrotman: "ha ha, you think you're too good for alcoholics" |
| 20:11.49 | ReclusE | rescue wont even recover my system |
| 20:11.53 | helix | yes, make fun of me |
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| 20:12.12 | abrotman | helix: i'm not sure why you feel everyone who has a beer is an alcoholic |
| 20:12.26 | Madeye | SpamHog, so there is no tool for defragmetn ? |
| 20:12.26 | streuner | ReclusE: so you installed a new kernel? |
| 20:12.37 | Overfiend | <PROTECTED> |
| 20:12.37 | Overfiend | <PROTECTED> |
| 20:12.37 | Overfiend | <PROTECTED> |
| 20:12.37 | helix | abrotman: I don't, but there's a really disgusting and pervasive drinking culture in the world which I'm fairly sick of |
| 20:12.37 | SpamHog | Madeye: also, some FS's are more resilient than others... is your filesystem journeled? |
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| 20:12.44 | smacnay | hmmm, I just lost my mouse on a boot today. Brand new hardware so I will do some digging. |
| 20:12.47 | Oswald_ | how do you mail all users on the system from the command line? |
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| 20:12.50 | Overfiend | <PROTECTED> |
| 20:12.55 | asuffield | abrotman: it's a female thing |
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| 20:13.06 | Overfiend | asuffield: there are exceptions to that rule |
| 20:13.10 | Madeye | SpamHog, yeah journeled |
| 20:13.11 | lewis | is there any other channel, other than this one, that can help with me a PAM error I get? I am using 'compat' in nsswitch.conf, debian testing, no LDAP stuff, default files, just upgraded that's all - any ideas? |
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| 20:13.15 | abrotman | helix: try spending time in places where all your friends consume a minimum of 5 beers .. every night .. it gets old |
| 20:13.16 | SpamHog | Madeye: even in WinXX, defragmenting and FS checks are different things. I'll privatemsg you. |
| 20:13.25 | helix | abrotman: been there, done that |
| 20:13.32 | streuner | true, for WHO you count as a drinker if you drink one beer each week |
| 20:13.40 | helix | have lots of family that have done that too |
| 20:13.58 | Overfiend | Ugh, if we're going to start defending *beer*, I must bow out. |
| 20:14.00 | abrotman | helix: no .. i mean your normal friends .. it does get old .. i only have drinks 1 or 2 days a week normally |
| 20:14.14 | abrotman | Overfiend: we started this because of !buckabeer |
| 20:14.15 | Madeye | SpamHog, ok pm please. |
| 20:14.16 | Overfiend | If you're going to drink, don't fuck around. |
| 20:14.26 | Overfiend | go straight for the rotgut |
| 20:14.37 | helix | Overfiend: well, many of them are beer *snobs* |
| 20:14.44 | dondelelcaro | mmm... beer! |
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| 20:14.49 | Overfiend | anything less is like waiting until marriage to have your first French kiss, and stopping there. |
| 20:14.53 | asuffield | Overfiend: that stuff you drink could strip the damn walls off the paint |
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| 20:15.03 | abrotman | i find the people that are beer snobs have less beer on a more frequent basis |
| 20:15.07 | hibla | hi, how do i setup a printer in debian? (console mode) |
| 20:15.17 | lewis | dondelelcaro: :) |
| 20:15.18 | abrotman | printers!! .. what's wrong with you .. tree killer! |
| 20:15.30 | paulswm | I'm about to install sarge on a very small old laptop, 32MB memory, 2GB HD, planning to create 100MB swap partition, then one ext3 for everything, anyone have any different advice based on experience with a small box? |
| 20:15.34 | helix | I would be able to deal with beer snobs, but they still prefer a good bar to a good restaurant in most cases |
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| 20:15.39 | dondelelcaro | abrotman: otherwise we'd go broke... good bear is expensive |
| 20:15.46 | hedonick | dondelelcaro: ever tried guiness with a side of blackforest cake (schwarzwald cake)... very goood snobbery :) |
| 20:15.48 | Phated | paulswm: USe woody? :) |
| 20:15.52 | abrotman | dondelelcaro: bear is good .. beer is better |
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| 20:16.02 | Overfiend | especially the human variety |
| 20:16.08 | abrotman | helix: they have good bars in the south? |
| 20:16.14 | paulswm | Phated: no, I don't want woody :) |
| 20:16.15 | helix | abrotman: how would I know? :) |
| 20:16.19 | tarzeau | us keymap is called: american or english keyboard layout? |
| 20:16.19 | abrotman | !bunnicula sussudio |
| 20:16.25 | dondelelcaro | hrm... maybe I shouldn't talk about the aurora restaurant where you can get bear, elk, croc, and a few other meat varieties... |
| 20:16.25 | abrotman | helix: erm .. ok |
| 20:16.25 | jharrisonwk | abrotman: FL is not the south |
| 20:16.26 | Phated | paulswm: Well, in that case, just install away. :) |
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| 20:16.39 | abrotman | jharrisonwk: it's south enough to be different than a bar in Philly |
| 20:16.40 | tarzeau | or should it be called "Federal United States Keyboard map"? |
| 20:16.43 | Oswald_ | how do you mail all users on the system from the command line? |
| 20:16.46 | jharrisonwk | abrotman: no |
| 20:16.49 | helix | abrotman: I can only judge by recent events, some of which did not take place in florida |
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| 20:17.07 | Phated | asuffield: Thanks a lot, mate. "His kind of pervert", eh. |
| 20:17.17 | Overfiend | woolly, even. |
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| 20:17.28 | asuffield | 'mate'? have you been crossbred with australians? |
| 20:17.30 | sussudio | in soviet russia, bunnies spear you. |
| 20:17.32 | Phated | Considering they don't move anymore, pft. |
| 20:17.36 | abrotman | jharrisonwk: yes |
| 20:17.37 | fusibou | Oswald_ man wall |
| 20:17.40 | jharrisonwk | abrotman: no |
| 20:17.43 | Cisyouc | Hi guys: I'm trying to set up the acx100 wireless drivers on a debian sarge install (2.4.27-1-386) and ive modified the kernel to include all the things i need that it states in the readme but im still getting unresolved symbols when i try and insmod (http://channels.debian.net/paste/229) any idea? |
| 20:17.47 | abrotman | jharrisonwk: you've been to philly of course? |
| 20:17.50 | Phated | asuffield: Guerin's fualt. |
| 20:17.52 | Phated | fault. |
| 20:17.58 | jharrisonwk | abrotman: no |
| 20:17.59 | sussudio | !blame Guerin |
| 20:18.01 | Overfiend | "man wall". Wasn't that the beginning of the gay rights struggle in the U.S.? |
| 20:18.02 | helix | he's not australian |
| 20:18.15 | Overfiend | </probably too obscure for this crowd> |
| 20:18.19 | Madeye | Lee__, I have installed smartmontools, What next? |
| 20:18.21 | abrotman | jharrisonwk: then you can comment how? |
| 20:18.22 | bandito | anyone here have a problem with fluxbox where after installing various font packages the menu font is busted while the toolbar font is ok? |
| 20:18.26 | Phated | NZian. Close enough. |
| 20:18.31 | fusibou | Overfiend stone wall |
| 20:18.35 | Overfiend | fusibou: damn |
| 20:18.54 | Overfiend | fusibou: you caught me making one of my unrecognizable jokes |
| 20:19.00 | abrotman | jharrisonwk: if there be shoney's .. it's the south |
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| 20:19.08 | Overfiend | cool, Nnazi is an anagram for NZian. |
| 20:19.16 | Oswald_ | fusibou: thats write all users |
| 20:19.24 | CraigDun | i have a program i want to start on boot, how do i do it? |
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| 20:19.36 | Oswald_ | fusibou: thats write all users, im looking to EMAIL |
| 20:19.38 | dondelelcaro | CraigDun: write an init script, or use @reboot in cron |
| 20:19.42 | hibla | anyone? its a usb printer :) |
| 20:19.49 | helix | Nnazi has too many n's, like my name |
| 20:20.00 | Phated | Annnna? :) |
| 20:20.03 | jharrisonwk | abrotman: I have been to PA |
| 20:20.09 | helix | that's not my name |
| 20:20.12 | CraigDun | dondelelcaro: i dont know how to write init scripts, where can I find out how? |
| 20:20.15 | nvz | helix: heh |
| 20:20.19 | dondelelcaro | CraigDun: cat /etc/init.d/skeleton |
| 20:20.19 | jharrisonwk | abrotman: also I know EVERYTHING |
| 20:20.21 | abrotman | helix: there's nothing wrong with your name |
| 20:20.26 | abrotman | jharrisonwk: right .. of course you do |
| 20:20.31 | helix | it has too many n's |
| 20:20.37 | abrotman | and if there's a shoney's .. it's the south |
| 20:20.40 | Overfiend | Don't tell that to the capital of Estonia. |
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| 20:20.44 | dondelelcaro | CraigDun: if this is just something simple that needs to run as your user, @reboot may be easier |
| 20:20.49 | helix | we used to have a shoney's here |
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| 20:21.04 | abrotman | helix: you got off light compared to the name my parents chose to call me |
| 20:21.11 | green_earz | Oswald_: do you know all the user name on the box ? |
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| 20:21.16 | helix | alexander is a rad name |
| 20:21.25 | abrotman | helix: they call me by my middle name :) |
| 20:21.26 | asuffield | helix's parents are just idiots who can't spell |
| 20:21.31 | Overfiend | ah, to be a Spaniard, and dream of the land of Estonia, where todos estan estoned. |
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| 20:21.44 | asuffield | or they held the 'n' key down too long or something |
| 20:21.49 | abrotman | helix: now it's not so nice is it? :) |
| 20:21.56 | Lee__ | Madeye: read the documentation |
| 20:21.58 | Phated | Hah, apparently that was how my name got screwed up. |
| 20:22.00 | jharrisonwk | abrotman: I know enough to know FL is not the south |
| 20:22.03 | helix | asuffield: I think they were just hippies back then |
| 20:22.05 | Phated | Bloody typos. |
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| 20:22.16 | Overfiend | jharrisonwk: it is if you're north of the penis part |
| 20:22.17 | Oswald_ | green_earz: yes |
| 20:22.18 | rellik | when I try to run mplayer sometimes (ie, atm) it pauses, waiting on some other program to quit using sound (ie xmms was paused, not stopped)... but if I don't know what is using the sound, how do I find out? 'lsof /dev/dsp' shows nothing |
| 20:22.23 | nvz | I actually had to think about that.. I was thinking to myself there isnt any "n"s in helix |
| 20:22.26 | asuffield | Phated: yours was a typo? I thought it was just ignorant foreigners who had forgotten what language they were speaking |
| 20:22.28 | abrotman | jharrisonwk: is it typically the south .. no .. but it's just as flat .. and parts are just as dirty .. |
| 20:22.29 | CraigDun | dondelelcaro: i need it to run every time i boot as any user |
| 20:22.32 | Overfiend | jharrisonwk: the FL panhandle is as redneck as anything in the south |
| 20:22.44 | dondelelcaro | CraigDun: what is this thing that you're starting? |
| 20:22.45 | abrotman | jharrisonwk: and it's nothing compared to the old industrial cities of mid-atlantic and NE |
| 20:22.48 | Oswald_ | green_earz: yes |
| 20:22.49 | Phated | asuffield: The funky apostrophe was supposed to be a hyphen. |
| 20:22.51 | helix | Overfiend: it's a different kind of redneck |
| 20:22.59 | helix | but they go "muddin'" |
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| 20:23.04 | helix | which is different from MUDing |
| 20:23.18 | green_earz | Oswald_: mail user1@localhost user2@localhost the idear may work offer whys make a mailing list in your mta agent |
| 20:23.18 | asuffield | "aiee! my name has been mis-punctuated!" |
| 20:23.21 | Overfiend | helix: IIRC, Panama City Beach is regarded as a redneck paradise |
| 20:23.21 | CraigDun | dondelelcaro: its a script to determine what WiFi network to connect to |
| 20:23.30 | helix | is it margaritaville? |
| 20:23.34 | abrotman | either that or North carolina |
| 20:23.36 | Overfiend | helix: I guess it's close. |
| 20:23.39 | helix | Phated: what apostrophe? |
| 20:23.41 | dondelelcaro | CraigDun: that goes in /etc/network/interfaces pre-up (or possibly post-up) |
| 20:23.43 | Phated | asuffield: :P Better yet, my dad didn't notice. |
| 20:23.49 | Phated | helix: In the Qiu'E bit. |
| 20:23.51 | dondelelcaro | CraigDun: s/post-// |
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| 20:23.57 | helix | I don't see that in your /whois |
| 20:23.59 | CraigDun | dondelelcaro: its a python program |
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| 20:24.04 | helix | so I have no idea what you're talking about |
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| 20:24.13 | dondelelcaro | CraigDun: doesn't matter. You can call anything you want from /etc/network/interfaces |
| 20:24.13 | CraigDun | dondelelcaro: its not an actual script |
| 20:24.16 | Phated | helix: I see. |
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| 20:24.27 | Oswald_ | green_earz: ok, thanks ... i wrote a sed script that formats and mails all users but I didnt know if there was a one line command for what i was looking for |
| 20:24.28 | helix | asuffield must've stalked you |
| 20:24.38 | dondelelcaro | CraigDun: since you really only want that to run when you've got the wireless interface up, and not at any other time. |
| 20:24.42 | asuffield | Phated: really an apostrophe, or some funky chinese squiggle? I never did understand which form is the legal one |
| 20:24.42 | Phated | No, it came up a long time ago. |
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| 20:24.45 | abrotman | bah |
| 20:24.49 | green_earz | Oswald_: or the CC at the end of the first email ? |
| 20:24.49 | CraigDun | dondelelcaro: so if i create a link to it in there it should work? |
| 20:24.49 | dvs | !nickometer B__R__U__N__I__M |
| 20:24.50 | dpkg | 'B__R__U__N__I__M' is 99.9768% lame, dvs |
| 20:24.51 | dondelelcaro | CraigDun: man 5 interfaces; should help you out a bit |
| 20:24.55 | Phated | asuffield: It's an apostrophe. |
| 20:25.10 | Phated | helix: /whois again. That's my full name. |
| 20:25.20 | dondelelcaro | CraigDun: no, call it explicitely as the wlan pre-up command, or similar. |
| 20:25.20 | helix | says the same thing |
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| 20:25.26 | Wekkel | !nickometer Wekkel |
| 20:25.28 | Phated | Reeeeealy. |
| 20:25.30 | asuffield | Phated: realname field is set only on connection |
| 20:25.34 | Oswald_ | green_earz: ? |
| 20:25.37 | Overfiend | !nickometer `0V3RB1FF |
| 20:25.41 | Phated | Well, bah, I'm not reconnecting. |
| 20:25.48 | helix | /msg it to me |
| 20:25.57 | green_earz | Oswald_: have a look at the mta agent to set up a mailing list. postfix or sendmail |
| 20:26.00 | Overfiend | 15:25 <dpkg> the 'lame nick-o-meter' reading for `0V3RB1FF is 99.890%, overfiend |
| 20:26.02 | Overfiend | hah |
| 20:26.06 | Overfiend | I still 0WN. |
| 20:26.22 | asuffield | it's not some great secret, she's just a yellowskin |
| 20:26.32 | Overfiend | yellowskin? |
| 20:26.34 | dondelelcaro | ooo... a peep |
| 20:26.37 | Oswald_ | green_earz: ok thatnks |
| 20:26.39 | Overfiend | she has hepatitis? |
| 20:26.42 | helix | peeps! |
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| 20:26.51 | jharrisonwk | ew |
| 20:26.52 | asuffield | Overfiend: old cartoon reference. if you don't recognise it you won't get it |
| 20:27.04 | Overfiend | asuffield: that's generally how obscure references work. |
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| 20:27.13 | AngelGabriel | i have a question ..... if I connect a wireless access point to my machine, via it's ethernet port, can i get the WAP to connect to another WAP and provide internet access? |
| 20:27.19 | Overfiend | It's like Burt Larr on psilocybin. Bep...bep...bep...bep...bep. |
| 20:27.32 | Rawplayer | AngelGabriel: #wireless |
| 20:27.33 | asuffield | that was obtuse, even for you |
| 20:27.34 | Rawplayer | try there |
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| 20:28.04 | CraigDun | dondelelcaro: the man page didnt make alot of sense to me |
| 20:28.12 | helix | hmm, peeps will be for sale in abundance soon |
| 20:28.30 | Phated | Chick farm had a bounty harvest? |
| 20:28.32 | abrotman | helix: you eat peeps but not consume beer? |
| 20:28.44 | hmmm | friend of mine just dumped an xp hdd on my desk. he says its crashed and he cant see it from xp. Can someone recommend some OS sw to try and grab data off the hdd?? |
| 20:28.45 | helix | I do not eat peeps |
| 20:28.52 | helix | they're just weird |
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| 20:29.10 | CraigDun | dondelelcaro: do i just edit interfaces and put in the line to call the python program? |
| 20:29.13 | helix | they're also really gross |
| 20:29.17 | asuffield | there is obviously something in this discussion which I do not comprehend |
| 20:29.23 | dondelelcaro | CraigDun: depending on what the python program does, yes. |
| 20:29.27 | l3m | i'm trying to get a mac which is connect to my eth0 to use my internet on wlan0 ... howto? :) |
| 20:29.41 | Phated | What the heck are peeps? The mental image is yellow and fluffy. |
| 20:29.43 | helix | asuffield: do you not know what peeps are? |
| 20:29.45 | green_earz | Oswald_: here a link for a intro howto for postfix http://www.linux.org/lessons/interm/x1873.html#POSTFIX-MTA |
| 20:30.00 | asuffield | helix: I do not think so. your conversation does not make sense |
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| 20:30.02 | helix | http://www.marshmallowpeeps.com/ |
| 20:30.05 | helix | there |
| 20:30.06 | dondelelcaro | CraigDun: you'll add a pre-up (or up) line like iface wlan0 inet static\n up /usr/local/sbin/foobarbaz\n ... |
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| 20:30.10 | fusibou | l3m firestarter is a friendly gui that does internet sharing i think |
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| 20:30.15 | abrotman | where's the peeps faq? |
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| 20:30.20 | asuffield | that is pretty fucked up |
| 20:30.21 | helix | they may only be popular in the US, but I'd be surprised |
| 20:30.23 | abrotman | !peeps |
| 20:30.23 | dpkg | from memory, peeps is a marshmallow chick product by Just Born, http://www.marshmallowpeeps.com There have been no confirmed sightings of these marshmallows on IRC, so anyone asking for them is being optimistic at best. stick them in the microwave for 30 seconds for a yummy treat. The Unofficial Peeps FAQ is available at (http://www.geekbabe.com/peeps/peepfaq.html) |
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| 20:30.27 | InKy | for some silly reason i never chose to disable users from browsing other directories, how can i turn it on? |
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| 20:30.39 | asuffield | helix: they do not exist here |
| 20:30.43 | helix | huh |
| 20:30.43 | Overfiend | I enjoyed my time in Paris, but I had a cabdriver over there; |
| 20:30.43 | Overfiend | smelled like a man eating Gorgonzola cheese while getting a permanent |
| 20:30.43 | Overfiend | inside the septic tank of a slaughterhouse. I said, "Hey, pal. |
| 20:30.43 | Overfiend | There's an extra five in it for ya if you run over a fucking skunk." |
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| 20:30.47 | helix | LOL |
| 20:30.56 | InKy | erm, browsing other home dirs, heh |
| 20:31.03 | abrotman | lovely |
| 20:31.03 | helix | now we can yell at him for flooding |
| 20:31.16 | abrotman | if he comes back |
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| 20:31.20 | CraigDun | dondelelcaro: just at the end of the file after the last auto and itll work? |
| 20:31.27 | helix | Overfiend: you can't paste in here |
| 20:31.28 | abrotman | Overfiend: no flooding .. jeez |
| 20:31.31 | asuffield | it takes him a few minutes to remember how to spell '#debian' |
| 20:31.33 | AMIGrAve | where are logged apt-get update output ? |
| 20:31.39 | abrotman | what a n00b! |
| 20:31.40 | asuffield | Overfiend: four lines |
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| 20:31.54 | Overfiend | if you saw "skunk", you saw it all. |
| 20:31.58 | abrotman | we got it |
| 20:31.59 | dondelelcaro | CraigDun: no, it has to go in the stanza for the interface that you're bringing up |
| 20:32.03 | jvw | abrotman: you're calling Overfiend a n00b? sheez |
| 20:32.06 | Phated | Heh. |
| 20:32.09 | helix | asuffield: these are the most famous ones: http://www.marshmallowpeeps.com/about/peeps_all_seasons/easter.html |
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| 20:32.18 | abrotman | jvw: it's called humor .. mine sucks .. get over it |
| 20:32.19 | CraigDun | dondelelcaro: how would i put it in there? i dont really understand this file |
| 20:32.21 | Phated | Marshmallows. Yummy. |
| 20:32.21 | Tearran | abrotman: what a jerk |
| 20:32.24 | asuffield | helix: you people are fucking nuts |
| 20:32.26 | helix | asuffield: they are totally disgusting, don't even taste like real marshmallows |
| 20:32.27 | AngelGabriel | sorry I got disconnected - If I plug a WAP into the ethernet port of a machine - instead of into a hub - can i get that WAP to connect to another WAP in order to give internet access? |
| 20:32.28 | abrotman | jvw: i've got cake on my ass for a reason |
| 20:32.35 | helix | asuffield: well, you're the ones who eat marmite |
| 20:32.39 | asuffield | Phated: those do not look like marshmallows to me |
| 20:32.41 | asuffield | helix: I do not |
| 20:32.44 | hmmm | friend of mine just dumped an xp hdd on my desk. he says its crashed and he cant see it from xp. Can someone recommend some OS sw to try and grab data off the hdd?? |
| 20:32.45 | jvw | abrotman: I fully agree your humour sucks indeed |
| 20:32.46 | Phated | asuffield: Hang on... |
| 20:32.47 | helix | and I don't eat peeps |
| 20:32.48 | dondelelcaro | CraigDun: you open it with an editor and stick it in there... it's really not all that complex |
| 20:32.49 | abrotman | asuffield: they are marshmallows |
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| 20:32.53 | SpamHog | re-question: anyone knows what % of Sarge debs are identical in Woody? |
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| 20:32.54 | helix | abrotman: BARELY |
| 20:32.55 | sussudio | peeps eat you? |
| 20:33.01 | asuffield | Phated: what to? |
| 20:33.05 | abrotman | asuffield: do you have the yellow peanut marshmallows over there? |
| 20:33.05 | dondelelcaro | CraigDun: the first two paragraphs have an example of exactly what I'm talking about |
| 20:33.09 | dvs | SpamHog: Hardly any |
| 20:33.11 | abrotman | err .. i guess they're orange |
| 20:33.12 | asuffield | abrotman: no. yellow... the fuck? |
| 20:33.12 | rellik | hmmm, any linux live cd |
| 20:33.15 | Phated | asuffield: I dunno, the nearest underage girl. |
| 20:33.16 | jvw | SpamHog: verrrrry few |
| 20:33.17 | abrotman | orange! |
| 20:33.31 | abrotman | asuffield: they are orange! |
| 20:33.32 | asuffield | Phated: that would be you |
| 20:33.33 | SpamHog | U sure?? |
| 20:33.34 | helix | yellow peanut marshmallows? |
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| 20:33.46 | dondelelcaro | SpamHog: yes, we're sure. |
| 20:33.49 | streuner | hm |
| 20:33.53 | Phated | helix: Non...chocolate.... <falls over dead> |
| 20:33.57 | Phated | asuffield: You're kidding. |
| 20:33.58 | hmmm | rellik what sw in particular could i use? |
| 20:33.59 | SpamHog | tnx!!!! wisdom rains on me! |
| 20:34.06 | asuffield | a marshmallow is an aerated gooey sugar blob. it does not contain peanut |
| 20:34.11 | dondelelcaro | pretty much anything that hasn't changed in 2 years is unmaintained shite. |
| 20:34.22 | thomas_adam | lewis: Indeed.... |
| 20:34.25 | lewis | hey |
| 20:34.27 | Azar | I got the NVIDIA README FAQ for my problem if anyone wants to add it to dpkg I am more than happy to share |
| 20:34.27 | helix | don't be talkin' 'bout woody like that |
| 20:34.28 | asuffield | Phated: I do not have a reliable supplier at present |
| 20:34.33 | abrotman | helix: they're orange!! |
| 20:34.34 | lewis | quick reply - i am still where i started though |
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| 20:34.38 | ircdevil | !dict marchmallow |
| 20:34.40 | helix | abrotman: wtf are you talking about? |
| 20:34.40 | dpkg | could not find definition for marchmallow |
| 20:34.42 | Phated | helix: They;'re cute, but I wouldn't eat them. They look kinda like rubber duckies. |
| 20:34.44 | lewis | any further help would be appreciated |
| 20:34.44 | thomas_adam | lewis: I have nothing more to add, alas. |
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| 20:34.48 | Phated | asuffield: You poor thing you. |
| 20:34.49 | helix | Phated: they're gross |
| 20:34.49 | abrotman | helix: the orange peanut marshamallow things |
| 20:34.50 | Overfiend | well, anyway, I don't think I can top my flood... |
| 20:34.51 | SpamHog | is there a channel such as #debian-really-nobull ? |
| 20:34.51 | lewis | thomas_adam: ah well, thanks |
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| 20:34.54 | helix | abrotman: wtf |
| 20:34.57 | thomas_adam | lewis: You might want to reinstall login(1). |
| 20:35.02 | Phated | helix: But visually cute. I'll make a note not to try them. |
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| 20:35.11 | helix | you can cook them |
| 20:35.12 | lewis | think i tried that already with: 'apt-get install login --reinstall' |
| 20:35.12 | nvz | Phated: you mean peeps? |
| 20:35.15 | asuffield | they just look kinda like rubber to me |
| 20:35.18 | lewis | dondelelcaro: got any further ideas? |
| 20:35.18 | helix | they melt and fall apart |
| 20:35.20 | CraigDun | dondelelcaro: so iface up /etc/mypy.py? |
| 20:35.20 | runedude_ | hey guys is there a way to kinda configure the network? |
| 20:35.21 | asuffield | I do not put things like that in my mouth |
| 20:35.21 | dondelelcaro | Phated, helix: it's basically just pure processed sugar |
| 20:35.22 | ircdevil | !dict marshmallow |
| 20:35.23 | Phated | helix: -cook-? Like, roasted marshmallow cook? |
| 20:35.24 | runedude_ | what is it ? |
| 20:35.24 | dpkg | Dictionary 'marshmallow' spongy confection made of gelatin and sugar and corn syrup and dusted with powdered sugar |
| 20:35.31 | sussudio | meep? |
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| 20:35.33 | helix | Phated: well, stick them in a pot and watch them melt |
| 20:35.36 | nvz | peep |
| 20:35.40 | sussudio | !meep |
| 20:35.40 | dpkg | http://home.wanadoo.nl/sussudio/meepcam.jpg |
| 20:35.44 | nvz | heh |
| 20:35.46 | dondelelcaro | CraigDun: read the first part of the man page! There's an example right there that tells you what to do |
| 20:35.48 | Phated | dondelelcaro: I think I'll stick with regular marshmallows. I'd feel bad about holding a little yellow chicky over a fire... Hmmmmmmm... |
| 20:35.57 | asuffield | it's a rat! |
| 20:36.03 | bucky | thirteen-year-old Elizabeth Garbee installed debian on a server before she had reached 10 years of age |
| 20:36.04 | Phated | helix: So not even roasted marshmallow cook? They suck, then. |
| 20:36.09 | Azar | as for http://home.comcast.net/~andrex/Debian-nVidia/installation.html will not work for me the url's given there are obsolete for use in apt sources |
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| 20:36.21 | nvz | bucky: ? |
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| 20:36.23 | sussudio | asuffield: ies not ghrat, ies ghamster |
| 20:36.29 | runedude_ | I can't seem to resolve any domains, guys, and I am sure I have the right nameservers, its 2 debian boxes, ones mine, and im sshing to the other box, and we both have the same resolv.conf , Any ideas? |
| 20:36.34 | asuffield | Phated: when did you last build a fire? |
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| 20:36.45 | Phated | asuffield: I dunno, about two weeks ago. |
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| 20:36.54 | runedude_ | spiderman:/home/kids# ping www.debian.org |
| 20:36.54 | runedude_ | connect: Network is unreachable |
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| 20:36.56 | dondelelcaro | lewis: no idea, really... pam/nis/ldap stuff isn't my thing |
| 20:36.57 | Nahuel | is there an utility to measure the FSB of the processor in debian? |
| 20:36.58 | runedude_ | ^ thats what I get. |
| 20:37.05 | asuffield | Phated: bloody pyromaniac |
| 20:37.07 | Azar | !nvidia readme |
| 20:37.08 | bucky | nvz, she will be speaking at this year?s linux.conf.au |
| 20:37.08 | scarynetworkguy | runedude_: That's not DNS. |
| 20:37.11 | Phated | asuffield: Duh. :) |
| 20:37.14 | helix | http://www.punkasspunk.com/peeps/joust/ |
| 20:37.17 | runedude_ | scarynetworkguy: but the network is up, and im sshed to the box |
| 20:37.18 | lewis | dondelelcaro: know of any IRC folk (not necessarily on this chan) who may be willing to help for a few mins? |
| 20:37.20 | dondelelcaro | runedude_: paste the output of ifconfig; and /etc/network/interfaces using the paster bot |
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| 20:37.29 | runedude_ | paster bot? |
| 20:37.32 | dondelelcaro | !paster |
| 20:37.33 | dpkg | Instead of pasting in #debian or #flood, use paster, your friendly paste bot. Visit http://channels.debian.net/paste select #debian, and paste away. |
| 20:37.33 | Phated | Could d.o still be down? Admittedly, I haven't looked. |
| 20:37.38 | green_earz | runedude_: can you ping the dns ip ? |
| 20:37.40 | dondelelcaro | Phated: nah, it's up |
| 20:37.43 | Phated | Ah. |
| 20:37.43 | runedude_ | yep |
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| 20:37.46 | runedude_ | It's my router |
| 20:38.11 | nvz | bucky: who cares :P |
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| 20:38.14 | runedude_ | where can I paste "ifconfig " ? |
| 20:38.21 | runedude_ | oh ok |
| 20:38.34 | bucky | nvz, a thirteen year old can install debian! |
| 20:38.41 | vwirem | I have a fonts problem here. GTK applications (such as xmms) have tiny, almost unreadable, fonts. Is it a known problem? |
| 20:38.48 | nvz | bucky: so what. |
| 20:38.49 | dondelelcaro | bucky: now days, a drinky nerd can install Debian |
| 20:39.11 | Phated | Drinky? |
| 20:39.13 | bucky | nvz, is her dad Bdale Garbee still a project leader? |
| 20:39.27 | SpamHog | aamof, I ALWAYS dring before using d-i |
| 20:39.30 | paster | "runedude_" at 68.49.128.164 pasted "umm ifconfig" (16 lines) at http://channels.debian.net/paste/230 |
| 20:39.34 | bucky | nvz, or who gives a shit about that? |
| 20:39.36 | fusibou | bucky i can install debian and i was a lawyer for god's sake |
| 20:39.39 | green_earz | runedude_: cat /etc/resolv.conf |
| 20:39.41 | nvz | bucky: I don't know since when am I a DWN reporter? |
| 20:39.45 | Phated | fusibou: Evil, evil! |
| 20:39.48 | runedude_ | http://channels.debian.net/paste/230 |
| 20:39.55 | bucky | fusibou, lol |
| 20:40.00 | scarynetworkguy | Satan must have been helping. |
| 20:40.09 | nvz | bucky: if her dad works on debian then its not really a surprise she knows how to use it |
| 20:40.11 | bucky | nvz since when have you been an asshole? |
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| 20:40.15 | abrotman | dondelelcaro: what's a drinky nerd ? |
| 20:40.17 | Phated | Does Satan still do installs then? |
| 20:40.19 | green_earz | runedude_: for your dns ip that came from your router |
| 20:40.25 | runedude_ | my dns ip is |
| 20:40.27 | runedude_ | 192.168.0.1 |
| 20:40.36 | scarynetworkguy | I'm thinking he would help a lawyer out. |
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| 20:40.45 | Phated | Considering they are his spawn, yes. |
| 20:40.46 | scarynetworkguy | Professional courtesy and all that. |
| 20:40.48 | scarynetworkguy | Yeah. |
| 20:40.48 | CraigDun | dondelelcaro: heres what i have iface eth1 inet static <> name Wireless LAN card <> up /etc/wifi_radar/wifi_radar.py |
| 20:40.57 | SpamHog | abrotman: I am (Lambrusco) |
| 20:41.05 | zimnyx | i got problem - can;t log in to phpMyadmin. i use up-to-date version, with default config. browser has cookies enabled, php user&password are 100% sure. did read docs.. dunno why can;t log in. |
| 20:41.06 | dondelelcaro | !drinky nerd is http://www.ibiblio.org/Dave/Dr-Fun/df9404/df940404.jpg |
| 20:41.07 | dpkg | okay, dondelelcaro |
| 20:41.09 | blal | I'm looking for suggestions re: a security thing. I'd like to auto-mount a SaMBa share on boot. I could use -o user=xxx,password=yyy to mount the share but that's lame security. Better is -o credentials=/path/file, where /path/file is only readable by root. Even so, passwords written to disk in plaintext creep me out. (more) |
| 20:41.14 | abrotman | SpamHog: erm .. i don't think so |
| 20:41.20 | dondelelcaro | assuming ibiblio will come back up, anyway |
| 20:41.22 | asuffield | Phated: btw, for some reason you remind me of this: http://www.penny-arcade.com/view.php3?date=2005-01-31&res=l |
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| 20:41.36 | abrotman | dondelelcaro: that's good |
| 20:41.41 | runedude_ | green_earz: did you get that? |
| 20:42.06 | Azar | how do I fix this, at modprobe nvidia I get this warning: nvidia: version magic '2.6.10 K7 gcc-3.3' should be '2.6.10 K7 gcc-2.95' ? FATAL: Error inserting nvidia (/lib/modules/2.6.10/kernel/drivers/video/nvidia.ko): Invalid module format ?? |
| 20:42.07 | simmerz | do the standard image debian kernels have EVMS support built in, or do I need to build my own kernel and patch it? |
| 20:42.07 | zzyber | i have used gentoo for a couple of month now but im back on debian becouse of my couriosity to explore=crash. Now i miss my framebuffer splash and other eye candy things like transparency in xorg. Does there exist any good guides to have debian "modern"? |
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| 20:42.16 | green_earz | runedude_: no thats your router ip address try and see what is say > cat /etc/resolv.conf |
| 20:42.16 | nvz | blal: put it in fstab |
| 20:42.20 | Phated | asuffield: Oh, all right. :) Find me a large enough suitcase and I'll try. |
| 20:42.20 | CraigDun | dondelelcaro: heres what i have iface eth1 inet static <> name Wireless LAN card <> up /etc/wifi_radar/wifi_radar.py |
| 20:42.22 | SpamHog | at's me! http://www.ibiblio.org/Dave/Dr-Fun/df9404/df940404.jpg |
| 20:42.28 | patois | Hi. I'm trying to setup a new computer and I wonder where to ask hardware questions (yes, it will run debian, but my fists questionsare about FSB speed and silly jumpers, so where does that go?) Thanks. |
| 20:42.57 | simmerz | sorry, should have asked - thats for the 2.6 kernel series |
| 20:43.06 | hibla | ive got a usb printer, its recognized by kernel by usblp, do i need the printer module ? |
| 20:43.20 | helix | haha, annarchy |
| 20:43.21 | blal | The environment variable PASSWD is used by smbmount for authentication. I could put the password in something encrypted by gpg or something and be all PASSWD=`gpg --decrypt-that-mofo /path/file`. But, to auto-load from boot, I can't be asked for a password. My question: Is there a good way to encrypt files using a password-less algorithm perhaps like that used in /etc/shadow that's appropriate for this task? |
| 20:43.21 | ircdevil | wtf is this :o) http://www.peepresearch.org/ |
| 20:43.30 | dondelelcaro | CraigDun: where is this name comming from? |
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| 20:43.39 | runedude_ | green_earz: one sec |
| 20:43.43 | runedude_ | i have to reboot the computer |
| 20:43.44 | Phated | helix: It's all your fault now, everyone's addicted to peeps. |
| 20:43.45 | runedude_ | i messed it up |
| 20:43.46 | abrotman | patois: #hardware |
| 20:43.49 | CraigDun | dondelelcaro: it was in the file to begin with |
| 20:43.51 | patois | abrotman : thanks |
| 20:44.01 | patois | (see ya sonn here, hopefuly) |
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| 20:44.12 | Azar | :P |
| 20:44.18 | helix | well, it was inevitable |
| 20:44.20 | dondelelcaro | CraigDun: in /etc/network/interfaces? |
| 20:44.21 | Azar | roll 'me towards me nvz |
| 20:44.34 | nvz | !yinzersmite Azar |
| 20:44.35 | CraigDun | dondelelcaro: yeah |
| 20:44.48 | Azar | haha |
| 20:44.52 | helix | what's a yinzer? |
| 20:45.00 | green_earz | runedude_: ping 212.58.224.126 > yes and then ping www.bbc.com and should be no for www.bbc.com ? |
| 20:45.03 | Azar | ok guys I really need to fix this, I need a little help |
| 20:45.10 | abrotman | helix: pittsburghese.org iirc |
| 20:45.14 | helix | oh |
| 20:45.25 | helix | pennsylvania-- |
| 20:45.26 | Azar | pretty please I forgot to mention sorry |
| 20:45.27 | nvz | heh |
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| 20:45.46 | dondelelcaro | freaky... must be part of wireless-tools |
| 20:45.50 | Phated | dondelelcaro: Heh, love the drinky nerds. Thinkgeek merch idea, right there. :) |
| 20:46.00 | blal | nvz : I put the mount point in /etc/fstab, but that leaves a plaintext user/pass in a credentials file. I'd like to encrypt that. Is there a practical way of encrypting a file such that the user isn't prompted for a password to decrypt the file? |
| 20:46.12 | scarynetworkguy | And they give good swag if they use one of your ideas. |
| 20:46.20 | resiak | blal: Make the credentials file readable only by root? |
| 20:46.21 | runedude_ | green_earz: |
| 20:46.23 | runedude_ | spiderman:/home/kids# cat /etc/resolv.conf |
| 20:46.23 | runedude_ | #search longhl01.md.comcast |
| 20:46.23 | runedude_ | nameserver 192.168.0.1 |
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| 20:46.27 | dvs | blal: Make it readable only by root |
| 20:46.32 | kombi | people, I was cursed here many time for still compiling my kernel generic style, now I need to do it again and am willing to go debian style: Where should I start? |
| 20:46.34 | nvz | blal: this is to silly for me to think about I dont care to fry my brain on it, I would make it use mountable and mount it and type the password |
| 20:46.48 | Azar | <PROTECTED> |
| 20:46.51 | CraigDun | dondelelcaro: is the rest right though? |
| 20:46.52 | ircdevil | !faq kombi |
| 20:46.53 | dpkg | kombi: http://www.linuks.mine.nu/debian-faq/ |
| 20:46.58 | kombi | maybe just point me tu an url.. |
| 20:47.01 | kombi | thx! |
| 20:47.02 | SpamHog | bettre bli ensam enn alt det |
| 20:47.08 | uGexe | anyone have any idea why modprobe fglrx will work and load the driver but xfree86 says that fglrx is not found when i start it? |
| 20:47.09 | dondelelcaro | CraigDun: yeah, looks fine to me |
| 20:47.11 | Phated | kombi: apt-get install kernel-package built-essential kernel-source-<version>, man make-kpkg. |
| 20:47.16 | fusibou | Azar use the same compiler to compile nvidia module as your kernel |
| 20:47.20 | green_earz | runedude_: ifconfig dones not you your dns info |
| 20:47.36 | resiak | Phated: build? |
| 20:47.40 | Azar | fusibou that means I have to recompile the entire kernel, right? |
| 20:47.41 | kombi | thank you! |
| 20:47.43 | blal | nvz : I'm not trying to be silly. I see your point that it's best not to auto-mount it, as opposed to prompting for a password. |
| 20:47.46 | resiak | kombi: build, not built |
| 20:47.50 | Phated | resiak: Errr, yeah. |
| 20:47.52 | runedude_ | green_earz: ? |
| 20:47.54 | Phated | Whoops. |
| 20:47.58 | kombi | build-essential that is.. right |
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| 20:48.05 | noloK | hi there |
| 20:48.12 | runedude_ | green_earz: i pasted cat /etc/resolv.conf |
| 20:48.14 | green_earz | runedude_: the 192.168.0.1 is your gateway ip address of your router |
| 20:48.17 | blal | resiak : dvs : No way that file's gonna' be group- or other-readable. :) |
| 20:48.19 | runedude_ | yes, green_earz |
| 20:48.22 | runedude_ | and its also my dns |
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| 20:48.31 | runedude_ | since it works on this computer, both are running same kernel, everything |
| 20:48.38 | runedude_ | and im gonna put it on my laptop too |
| 20:48.39 | nvz | I have ran jslaunch because my sidewinder was not moving as desired in bzflag 2.0. after properly calibrating and testing it with jslaunch I can no longer move in bzflag. I've tried removing the ~/.joystick file.. I dont know what the hell happened :P |
| 20:48.40 | runedude_ | another one |
| 20:48.42 | noloK | how i can change the bg on a non-kde, non-gnome wm? |
| 20:48.44 | resiak | blal: Well then you're fine! |
| 20:48.52 | fusibou | Azar are you using nvidia's installer or the debian nvidia installer |
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| 20:48.56 | scarynetworkguy | nvz: Doh!! |
| 20:49.03 | resiak | !tell automan -about d-i |
| 20:49.03 | fusibou | !nvida |
| 20:49.12 | fusibou | !nvidia |
| 20:49.12 | dpkg | i heard nvidia is To learn how to install nvidia drivers on your Debian system see 'nvidia-howto' or maybe 'nvidia debs'. That should explain all you need to know. http://home.comcast.net/~andrex/Debian-nVidia/installation.html . "Off to break the nvidia driver by changing the kernel interfaces again, this is becoming a fun hobby..." - Greg Kroah-Hartman, Linux kernel hacker, on linux-elitists |
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| 20:49.16 | dvs | blal: That's the idea ;-) |
| 20:49.25 | resiak | !nvidia one-liner |
| 20:49.25 | dpkg | rumour has it, nvidia one-liner is apt-get install nvidia-kernel-source build-essential module-assistant kernel-headers-$(uname -r) && m-a a-i nvidia && apt-get install nvidia-glx nvidia-settings && echo nvidia >> /etc/modules && modprobe nvidia && dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xfree86. You need contrib and non-free in your sources.list first! It is said that you need unstable/sid sources, not just testing/sarge. see <quick sid/sarge mix> |
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| 20:50.18 | resiak | !nvidia =~ s/debs'/debs', or possibly 'nvidia one-liner'/ |
| 20:50.18 | dpkg | OK, resiak |
| 20:50.25 | blal | resiak : Maybe for low-security environments. Passwords on disk in plantext are a Bad Thing[tm]. I'm creeped out by the idea. Physical access to the computer = one compromised account. /etc/shadow at least delays attackers' reading stolen password hashes. The idea is that your users change their passwords regularly so that, when the stolen password is decrypted, a new password is in place. |
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| 20:50.29 | nvz | what kind of command is m-a a-i |
| 20:50.33 | nvz | thats wack |
| 20:50.37 | greycat | man m-a |
| 20:50.42 | markybob | nvz, module-assistant |
| 20:50.43 | greycat | it's an abbreviation for module-assistant |
| 20:50.54 | nvz | No manual entry for m-a |
| 20:50.58 | nvz | oh |
| 20:51.02 | blal | resiak : dvs : My God. Am I making sense? |
| 20:51.04 | greycat | you have to install module-assistant first |
| 20:51.14 | nvz | I see |
| 20:51.16 | resiak | blal: No, they're not Bad Things if your security is set right. If the file is readable by root and root alone, then if the file can be read, you've been rooted. |
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| 20:51.36 | markybob | blacke, yes, but i dont think you understand that in the end it'll still be just as insecure as having a plain text file with the password |
| 20:51.42 | markybob | blal, ^ |
| 20:52.00 | runedude_ | green_earz: Yep. |
| 20:52.01 | CraigDun | is all i need to get the battery monitor working acpid or apmd? |
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| 20:52.06 | joefso | hi |
| 20:52.07 | runedude_ | That is the router IP/gateway/dns |
| 20:52.15 | directhex | bleh @ having to mail 2 expensive heavy bits of computing off |
| 20:52.16 | bucky | runedude_ i usually uncomment 'prepend domain-name-servers' in /etc/dhclient.conf and put a valid nameserver ip addy in there rather than depend on my brain dead isp's nameserver, and restart networking |
| 20:52.33 | abrotman | directhex: you blow something up |
| 20:52.34 | abrotman | ? |
| 20:52.42 | helix | that peep research site is funny |
| 20:52.43 | green_earz | runedude_: here one of may dns ip address put it in your /etc/resolv.conf as > nameserver 213.232.80.2 and try again to resolve ip address |
| 20:52.53 | joefso | i'm running debian testing and unstable, now I ouwld like to see which packages I have from unstable and which I have from testing. |
| 20:52.58 | lewis | when I installed an updated debian package - I was asked a question in the console (not a dialog box), to which I answered wrongly. How can I 'reinstall' that package, so I am asked the question again? |
| 20:53.04 | green_earz | runedude_: sorry my not may |
| 20:53.12 | resiak | lewis: dpkg-reconfigure packagename |
| 20:53.20 | directhex | abrotman, the motherboard & cpu from my shiny new media machine |
| 20:53.34 | lewis | resiak: I did that - yet it didn't seem to do anything |
| 20:53.35 | directhex | lewis, dpkg-reconfigure foopackage |
| 20:54.10 | runedude_ | bucky: but that is commented out.. |
| 20:54.12 | joebob2000 | is there any support in debian for multi application sound mixing? |
| 20:54.19 | joebob2000 | aka hearing multiple sources at once |
| 20:54.24 | bob2 | of course |
| 20:54.25 | nvz | joebob2000: sound daemon |
| 20:54.25 | lewis | i know that that works for dialog boxes, but does someone know for a fact whether it works for console questions? |
| 20:54.26 | directhex | joebob2000, plenty. |
| 20:54.28 | abrotman | directhex: dead already? |
| 20:54.28 | bob2 | just get a decent sound card |
| 20:54.28 | teeks | Hi; I am looking for a link to setting up NFS |
| 20:54.35 | blal | resiak : I see... But aren't there exploits that will let a nonprivileged user read an arbitrary file with superuser permissions? Reading files as root doesn't necessarily mean being own3d. |
| 20:54.36 | runedude_ | btw, how do you reboot network? |
| 20:54.42 | directhex | joebob2000, a sound daemon, alsa, or a creative labs emu10k |
| 20:54.44 | bob2 | also, that's a stupid question, since it's obviously about Linux, not Debian |
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| 20:55.11 | nvz | directhex: the emu10k1 module allows you to use the dsp multiple times? |
| 20:55.18 | resiak | blal: If you know of such exploits, report them! |
| 20:55.19 | bucky | runedude, did i say uncomment? .. and dhcp is going to rewrite resolv.conf so this way a valid nameserver is written in there |
| 20:55.25 | bob2 | nvz: yes |
| 20:55.28 | resiak | blal: There are far worse files that could be read. |
| 20:55.34 | bob2 | 16 times, iirc |
| 20:55.35 | joefso | i'm running debian testing and unstable, now I ouwld like to see which packages I have from unstable and which I have from testing. |
| 20:55.39 | noloK | from which file the PATH variable reads the data? |
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| 20:55.46 | kombi | Y'all, what is meant by 'top level kernel source dir', is it not /usr/src? |
| 20:55.53 | nvz | hmm.. I wondered why I didnt get errors when I killed arts and tried to use it with two different apps |
| 20:56.03 | bucky | runedude_ along with ^^ your 'gateway' which isn't really a nameserver |
| 20:56.09 | resiak | blal: AFAIK, if someone has /etc/shadow and a rainbow table, your entire system is compromised. Surely that's worse than someone stealing a SMB password, and would require no more serious an exploit? |
| 20:56.12 | bob2 | kombi: does that look like the top level of the kernel source? |
| 20:56.16 | Blissex | kombi: it can be anywhere, and it has to be the dir where the 'Makefile' for the kernel is. |
| 20:56.19 | bob2 | kombi: hint: no, /usr/src/linux-whatever |
| 20:56.20 | nvz | I got to get all that kde feces off that box now.. I am done with it |
| 20:56.29 | bob2 | kombi: but if you're building a module, you don't want kernel source at all |
| 20:56.30 | Blissex | kombi: for example /usr/local/src/linux-2.4.29/' on my PC right now. |
| 20:56.43 | runedude_ | bucky: everything is commented out atm.... |
| 20:56.43 | kombi | thanks..! |
| 20:56.44 | blal | resiak : What's a rainbow table? |
| 20:57.00 | Blissex | kombi: more precisely, it should be the directory where the 'vmlinux' file is created. |
| 20:57.11 | lewis | bob2: hey there |
| 20:57.20 | runedude_ | aha |
| 20:57.29 | bucky | <PROTECTED> |
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| 20:57.29 | runedude_ | im going to reconfigure lan by ethconf |
| 20:57.32 | Tearran | what package do I install to get java to load in firefox just installed deb and been looking in symantic and asked dpkg still dont know |
| 20:57.40 | kombi | vmlinux or vmlinuz? |
| 20:57.56 | nvz | on ia32 is vmlinuz |
| 20:57.57 | runedude_ | bucky: i think i got it working |
| 20:57.58 | resiak | blal: It's a table of hashed values and a string which hashes to that value. |
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| 20:58.17 | directhex | Tearran, debian can't redistribute java. java-package is a package for creatine java packages from hjava.sun.com .bin files |
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| 20:58.27 | resiak | blal: IOW, you brute-force every possible hash once, and store the results. Then breaking that hash later is trivial since you already have the answer. |
| 20:58.34 | Mordiaky | how do you get the header values off of a website using you browser? |
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| 20:58.42 | resiak | blal: These exist for crypt-ed things, I think, so. |
| 20:58.50 | bob2 | Mordiaky: use HEAD from libwww-perl |
| 20:58.55 | Mordiaky | thanks |
| 20:59.02 | tobo | i seem to get lousy performance across my net at home and was wondering if there's a simple network test tool available, i want to reduce bottlenecks such as the HDs |
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| 20:59.14 | tobo | remove while testing i mean |
| 20:59.23 | xenoduck | Mordiaky: http://web-sniffer.net/ |
| 20:59.40 | debian_novice | hey could someone tell me where i can find a tutorial on upgrading from testing release to a stable release? |
| 20:59.43 | cozwei | hi, i have a problem with my audiodevice. there is sound by the kde, but there is no sound if i want to play a cd. |
| 20:59.53 | nvz | tobo: you can test the hd with hdparm IIRC |
| 21:00.02 | kombi | I am still slighly confused, do I actually need to downlod a fresh one from kernel.org first? I would be ok with just turning on everything iptables on the one that came with this sarge |
| 21:00.03 | resiak | debian_novice: You mean downgrading. That's not possible. Unless you mean stable->testing |
| 21:00.03 | fusibou | debian_novice that's a little backwards |
| 21:00.05 | CraigDun | does anyone know what kapmd is? |
| 21:00.15 | bob2 | cozwei: plug your cd drive into your sound card |
| 21:00.18 | nvz | CraigDun: kernel apm daemon, would be my guess |
| 21:00.20 | bob2 | CraigDun: the kernel apm thread? |
| 21:00.20 | fusibou | debian_novice stable->testing->unstable |
| 21:00.23 | cozwei | bob2: i did |
| 21:00.31 | bob2 | cozwei: try again |
| 21:00.32 | blal | resiak : (re: your rebuttal) Theoretically, the passwords and accounts for one computer could be different than the accounts for another in the same network. 0wning a box, while bad, doesn't necessarily mean the 0wnage spreads to another node. The SMB password compromise means that another node is at least partially compromised. But I'm sure you're right. |
| 21:00.50 | blal | s/for another/for another node/ |
| 21:00.53 | cozwei | bob2: still doesn't work ;) |
| 21:00.54 | tobo | nvz: i don't wanna test the HD, know their performance but i just wanna be sure you know, any programs for linux that does a simple netspeed test? |
| 21:01.01 | bob2 | ;;;;) |
| 21:01.07 | CraigDun | i've tried installing apmd but i keep getting an error |
| 21:01.15 | CraigDun | cuz i need my battery monitor to work |
| 21:01.16 | resiak | blal: The point is that if you store your SMB credentials protected by some key, you'll need to have that key stored elsewhere. Given that the strongest protection you can give each is the same, there's no problem. |
| 21:01.23 | nvz | tobo: what the hell are you testing for ? heh |
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| 21:01.25 | Covener | Is my memory bad -- Wasn't vnc2swf packaged for sid? |
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| 21:01.36 | nvz | tobo: there are websites that will do bandwidth tests |
| 21:01.59 | resiak | blal: IOW, if your box is 0wned, so are your shares. However, there's no way to protect the credentials more strongly than the machine itself, by definition. |
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| 21:02.17 | ribnitz | heyas |
| 21:02.23 | tobo | nvz: i wanna see how much my net-hardware can do, running Gb but ADSL connection to Internet so sites wont do me any good |
| 21:02.28 | bob2 | CraigDun: have you set your system up to use apm? |
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| 21:02.37 | resiak | blal: Of course, I'm willing to be corrected, but I think that what I'm saying makes logical sense. |
| 21:02.39 | Varg66 | Does anyone know of any kernel-checking applications that will determine of a newly-compiled kernel will panic or not on reboot? |
| 21:02.40 | kombi | Blissex: Got this complete generic sarge distro here, /usr/src is just empty.. |
| 21:02.52 | bob2 | Varg66: it's called "use a Debian kernel" |
| 21:03.00 | nvz | resiak: you should have figured out by now you are arguing to a moot point.. I pointed out it was silly a long time ago.. he doesnt seem to care |
| 21:03.03 | Blissex | kombi: you need to install a kernel source package. |
| 21:03.04 | ribnitz | Varg66: Halting problem. |
| 21:03.05 | debian_novice | i mean if i am now running the testing release of sarge |
| 21:03.09 | blal | resiak : "However, there's no way to protect the credentials more |
| 21:03.22 | bob2 | ribnitz: no it's not |
| 21:03.23 | debian_novice | how would i upgrade to stable once it comes out |
| 21:03.25 | lewis | bob2: know anything about PAM errors? |
| 21:03.28 | blal | resiak : strongly than the machine itself, by definition." Eloquently put. |
| 21:03.29 | Varg66 | bob2: Its called "I'm not a fucking pussy" |
| 21:03.31 | resiak | nvz: Thanks for reassuring me :) |
| 21:03.38 | bob2 | Varg66: "pointless recompiling" |
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| 21:03.40 | ribnitz | bob2: you mean its decidable? |
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| 21:03.44 | kombi | blissex: just apt-cache searched for it as kernel-source-package.. |
| 21:03.45 | nvz | resiak: no worries |
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| 21:03.46 | bob2 | lewis: don't know anything about vague questions |
| 21:03.47 | directhex | debian_novice, edit /etc/apt/sources.list, change all 'testing' to 'sarge'. do it NOW, and you'll be on stable when stable is released |
| 21:03.49 | bob2 | ribnitz: of course |
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| 21:03.56 | resiak | blal: Thank you :) |
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| 21:04.11 | bob2 | ribnitz: "does this kernel include the root filesystem compiled in? does this kernel have the ide controller driver built in?" |
| 21:04.19 | kombi | ..and there we are.. |
| 21:04.20 | runedude_ | great |
| 21:04.21 | Blissex | kombi: what are you trying to do? |
| 21:04.25 | lewis | bob2: I have been getting some PAM errors (passwd: Authentication service cannot retrieve authentication info.) - I don't use NIS (i believe), nor LDAP, or MySQL. My OS is debian testing, and google/debian list/bug tracking have been of no help. I haven't changed any files recently, only upgraded debian packages. |
| 21:04.25 | runedude_ | my keyboard died |
| 21:04.25 | ribnitz | bob2: write an app that terminates and prints "done" if the kernel will panic on boot? |
| 21:04.36 | resiak | blal: :) |
| 21:04.51 | dvs | runedude_: I don't believe you. You're typing now ;-) |
| 21:04.52 | juhov | blal: i love that :) |
| 21:04.53 | bob2 | ribnitz: you could do it but it would be pointless and encourage people to recompile for no reason |
| 21:04.54 | kombi | Blissex: Never mind, just found it. I need to turn on everything iptables, that's all |
| 21:05.18 | blal | juhov : If I were God, I would make extensive use of that song. |
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| 21:05.23 | pmiperfection | I need some help really quick with some display problems |
| 21:05.31 | ribnitz | bob2: how are you goint got know what the root fs is, for the general case? |
| 21:05.39 | debian_novice | source.list file says file:///cdrom/ sarge main |
| 21:05.41 | bob2 | ribnitz: /etc/fstab |
| 21:05.43 | resiak | blal: If I were fighting a war, I'd make extensive use of that song. |
| 21:05.43 | debian_novice | what does it mean? |
| 21:05.53 | bob2 | ribnitz: this isn't a 'general case' game |
| 21:05.55 | pmiperfection | i have run xf86config some many times it is ridiculous |
| 21:05.55 | ribnitz | bob2: thats this here special case. |
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| 21:06.02 | bob2 | ribnitz: blahblahblah |
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| 21:06.09 | dvs | debian_novice: You need a fast internet connection. |
| 21:06.15 | lewis | bob2: did that make sense? |
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| 21:06.38 | debian_novice | i have |
| 21:06.38 | ribnitz | bob2: because for the "general case" its an instance of the halting problem. |
| 21:06.39 | bob2 | lewis: yes but I can't imagine how it could happen unless /etc/nsswitch.conf was broken |
| 21:06.41 | debian_novice | source.list file says file:///cdrom/ sarge main |
| 21:06.44 | debian_novice | what does this mean?? |
| 21:06.44 | bob2 | ribnitz: it's really not |
| 21:06.50 | bucky | pmiperfection dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xfree86 |
| 21:06.56 | bob2 | ribnitz: and 'general case' is meaningless in this context |
| 21:06.58 | directhex | debian_novice, it means you're only using the cd drive for packages |
| 21:07.00 | nvz | debian_novice: means to use cd sources |
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| 21:07.08 | nvz | debian_novice: run apt-setup |
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| 21:07.15 | directhex | debian_novice, run apt-setup, then go back & change testing to sarge |
| 21:07.23 | fusibou | pmiperfection http://www.debian.org/doc/manuals/reference/reference.en.html |
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| 21:07.28 | CraigDun | etc/init.d/apmd: line 54: 3787 Segmentation fault start-stop-daemon --start --quiet --exec "${APMD_BIN}" -- -P /etc/apm/apmd_proxy ${APMD} i get that error when trying to install apmd |
| 21:07.28 | blal | resiak : all : It's been educational and fun. I've got to go now. |
| 21:07.29 | ribnitz | bob2: ok. you win, again. |
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| 21:07.40 | lewis | bob2: the top of nsswitch.conf has passwd: compat, group: compat, shadow: compat, is that right? |
| 21:07.41 | fusibou | debian_novice http://www.debian.org/doc/manuals/reference/reference.en.html |
| 21:07.43 | resiak | blal: Okay. Have a good day! |
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| 21:07.47 | dvs | debian_novice: Good, then change it to: deb ftp://ftp.uk.debian.org/ sarge main contrib nonfree |
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| 21:08.15 | debian_novice | deb http://ftp.egr.msu.edu/debian/ testing main |
| 21:08.18 | debian_novice | deb-src http://ftp.egr.msu.edu/debian/ testing main |
| 21:08.23 | debian_novice | what does these two lines mean? |
| 21:08.28 | ribnitz | Ok. if I have dvd-rs here that can be written at speed 4, why do I only get write speeds of 1.8-2? |
| 21:08.44 | dvs | debian_novice: It means you're getting your sources from a web site |
| 21:08.45 | pmiperfection | . /msg dpkg xserve |
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| 21:08.49 | Blissex | ribnitz: because you are lucky... |
| 21:08.53 | nvz | <PROTECTED> |
| 21:08.54 | pmiperfection | . /msg dpkg xserver |
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| 21:09.03 | bob2 | pmiperfection: stop it |
| 21:09.10 | nvz | debian_novice: man 5 sources.list |
| 21:09.13 | pmiperfection | sorry god |
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| 21:09.24 | resiak | nvz: What if those are mirrors? |
| 21:09.27 | nvz | pmiperfection: its okay, my son |
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| 21:09.38 | Rathma | http://www.freegeektoys.com/?r=182 |
| 21:09.41 | Rathma | http://www.freegeektoys.com/?r=182 |
| 21:09.41 | Sirius_Black | hi guys - does anyone know how to open *.chm files? |
| 21:09.41 | kombi | for bzip, what was it again: tar xfz? |
| 21:09.42 | lewis | bob2: I downloaded the nsswitch.conf from a source of basefiles from packages.debian.org - and it looked the same |
| 21:09.43 | Rathma | http://www.freegeektoys.com/?r=182 |
| 21:09.44 | nvz | resiak: huh? |
| 21:09.45 | Rathma | v |
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| 21:09.48 | Blissex | ribnitz: what's happening is that most probably your data source cannot supply data at 4x speed, and the drive pauses. |
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| 21:09.50 | ribnitz | Blissex: writeable at spee 4 means : can be writtenm at speed 4 without much errors? |
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| 21:09.53 | lewis | bob2: anything I should be looking out for in the file? |
| 21:09.59 | resiak | nvz: What's to stop http://ftp.egr.msu.edu/debian/ being his mirror? |
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| 21:10.20 | ribnitz | Blissex: that data source is an iso file on the harddrive |
| 21:10.21 | Azar | where can I find the directory where new nvidia module might be present? |
| 21:10.28 | nvz | resiak: I dont know I just dont want him pasting shit in here over and over, he needs to read man 5 sources.list and learn something |
| 21:10.40 | resiak | nvz: Point taken. |
| 21:10.48 | nvz | resiak: I dont think he mentiond any problem.. just wants to know what shit is |
| 21:10.55 | Blissex | ribnitz: then you are very yunlucky. |
| 21:11.01 | resiak | nvz: Fair enough. |
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| 21:11.05 | E-bola | How can i tell if my fs is ext2 or 3? |
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| 21:11.14 | dvs | E-bola: mount |
| 21:11.15 | kombi | tar xfj ?? can't remember the one for bzip.. |
| 21:11.16 | lewis | ah well |
| 21:11.22 | Blissex | ribnitz: I would make sure both the source hard disk and the DVD-writer are in DMA mode. |
| 21:11.27 | E-bola | thanks dvs |
| 21:11.27 | bob2 | lewis: no idea |
| 21:11.30 | Azar | I need to do modprobe ./nvidia.o and I cannot find where is located |
| 21:11.36 | bob2 | kombi: j, as the manpage says |
| 21:11.36 | caphuso | kombi: /msg dpkg tar |
| 21:11.40 | bob2 | Azar: duh, modprobe nvidia |
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| 21:11.49 | kombi | thx bob |
| 21:11.50 | Blissex | E-bola: 'tune2fs -l' and check if there is the options 'has_journal' |
| 21:11.51 | Azar | bob2 I did that I need to fix the error there |
| 21:11.56 | ribnitz | Blissex: I cannot set anything on the harddisk (its SATA), and alreafy set dma on the drive |
| 21:11.58 | CraigDun | dpkg: acpi |
| 21:11.58 | dpkg | acpi is probably Advanced Configuration and Power Interface -- a power management interface that gives more control to the BIOS. Details at http://www.teleport.com/~acpi/acpihtml/home.htm, or at http://phobos.fs.tum.de/acpi, or horribly horribly broken, for suspend software check http://sourceforge.net/projects/swsusp/, or patches at acpi.sf.netl.org), or "run this arbitrary code in ring 0", or http://acpi.sf.net/ |
| 21:12.03 | FieldySnuts | @lart snort false alarms |
| 21:12.11 | FieldySnuts | heh |
| 21:12.34 | E-bola | brrr, NTFS |
| 21:12.36 | Azar | from README: "cd into the directory with the new kernel module and do insmod ./nvidia.o |
| 21:12.52 | runedude_ | guys, i got it working |
| 21:12.55 | runedude_ | thanx:)))) |
| 21:12.58 | Azar | wher could I go , which directory to find my module? |
| 21:12.59 | bob2 | Azar: the readme is crap |
| 21:13.11 | Blissex | ribnitz: check the CPU time while writing, peraps that can give you some indication. 1x DVD writing is roughly 1.4MB/s, so 2x is less than 3MB/s, and it is highly unlike that a modern hard disk cannot deliver more than 3MB/s sustained, unless there is some misconfiguration. |
| 21:13.35 | chealer | Azar: /usr/src/modules/nvidia-kernel/nv/ |
| 21:13.46 | mutantspider | i couldn't get debian installed on my laptop but have it running on a desktop. So I ghosted the Debian os and swap partitions and put them to two equal partitions on my laptop. I can't boot into Debian though because I don't have the grub boot loader. Is there a way to install just the boot loader that it'll automatically see both operating systems or is there another way I can have the system boot into Debian on my current setup |
| 21:14.08 | Azar | bob2: modprobe nvidia: nvidia: version magic '2.6.10 K7 gcc-3.3' should be '2.6.10 K7 gcc-2.95' |
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| 21:14.16 | nvz | mutantspider: just boot a debian install cd |
| 21:14.19 | Azar | thank you chealer |
| 21:14.21 | sobersabre | muaddib, boot with a CD, |
| 21:14.21 | toubsu | dpkg: lug |
| 21:14.21 | dpkg | methinks lug is a linux user group, or sex |
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| 21:14.34 | sobersabre | i meant mutantspider |
| 21:14.55 | ribnitz | Blissex: inappropriate ioctl for device (sata, mapped to sda..) |
| 21:14.58 | fusibou | mutantspider sobersabre yeah boot with a cd then chroot then grub |
| 21:15.00 | mutantspider | can't, that's why I can't install debian on the laptop. It goes to a black screen a few seconds after I hit enter to start installing, it runs through a few scripts and stops |
| 21:15.00 | nvz | mutantspider: from there you can mount the root partition on the laptop, and chroot to it to install grub |
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| 21:15.12 | dragonkh | hi |
| 21:15.16 | chealer | Azar: what's your kernewl? |
| 21:15.29 | Azar | chealer: 2.6.10 |
| 21:15.30 | dragonkh | I forgot the name of the php mysql package |
| 21:15.37 | dragonkh | anyone know what its called? |
| 21:15.38 | nvz | mutantspider: tried typing linux2.6 ? |
| 21:15.39 | fusibou | mutantspider try adding acpi=off to your boot options |
| 21:15.41 | mutantspider | really sorry, but I don't know anything about debian really, and that was really foreign to me. I don't know chroot |
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| 21:15.42 | bob2 | Azar: then it was built wrong |
| 21:15.43 | kirbymeister | wintendo |
| 21:15.49 | nvz | fusibou: :) |
| 21:15.52 | bob2 | Azar: try again, but build it with the right version of gcc |
| 21:15.53 | mutantspider | should I just type that parameter instead of hitting enter |
| 21:15.56 | bob2 | Azar: or just use the packaged version |
| 21:16.02 | Azar | bob2, thanks that I wanted to confirm, I need to recompile the kernel |
| 21:16.10 | green_earz | mutantspider: have you used the corrent version of sarge net installer may be better ? |
| 21:16.19 | nvz | kirbymeister: kirby was like the coolest game for nintendo |
| 21:16.21 | bob2 | hahahaha |
| 21:16.23 | mutantspider | yeah, i have the newest |
| 21:16.25 | bob2 | go nvidia! |
| 21:16.30 | sobersabre | mutantspider, u should not use enter, but press f1-f7 to choose the right image, and select vga/video option not to use fb or whatever |
| 21:16.34 | green_earz | mutantspider: sorry cerrent not corrent |
| 21:16.38 | mutantspider | the net install cd does the same as the official binary discs |
| 21:16.38 | dragonkh | in debian you have to do something like - apt-get install php-mysql to get mysql php support? |
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| 21:16.49 | Azar | bob2, I did in error apt-get dist-upgrade and fsked all configurations |
| 21:17.09 | dvs | No mustangs! |
| 21:17.10 | Azar | I want to rebuild from scratch all if not even reinstall |
| 21:17.17 | kombi | dragon: pretty much, yes |
| 21:17.18 | bob2 | dragonkh: apt-cache search php4 mysql |
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| 21:17.30 | Azar | but first I wanted to see what I did wrong so not to repeat |
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| 21:17.47 | dragonkh | ack its php4 |
| 21:17.51 | kombi | saves you hours of configuration, but it might not be the lates versions |
| 21:17.53 | dragonkh | bob2, awesome thanks :) |
| 21:17.54 | green_earz | mutantspider: i have had it where the official net install give a black screen and the cerrent worked ok |
| 21:18.09 | ribnitz | Blissex: does hdparm also do the trick for SATA? |
| 21:18.16 | kirbymeister | nvz: I agree |
| 21:18.29 | mutantspider | i've run through the f1-f7 options without any luck, i've tried several parameters telling me to type "linux acpi lapci" or something like that and have gotten no where. |
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| 21:18.47 | kombi | what means: [package] ..has no installation candidate? |
| 21:19.00 | bob2 | kombi: just what it says |
| 21:19.08 | bob2 | kombi: whatever you asked for doesn't exist |
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| 21:19.23 | greycat | stupid errors! always saying what they mean! |
| 21:19.25 | kombi | bob2: boot-floppies.. |
| 21:19.27 | ribnitz | i seem unable to set dma modes. |
| 21:19.33 | bob2 | kombi: indeed |
| 21:19.43 | Azar | "Please note that the convention for the location of kernel header files changed approximately at the time of the 2.4.0 kernel release, as did the location of kernel modules. If the kernel module fails to load properly, modprobe may be trying to load an older kernel module if you have upgraded. cd'ing into the directory with the new kernel module and doing 'insmod ./nvidia.o may help. |
| 21:19.54 | FieldySnuts | nice chopped paste |
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| 21:19.58 | nvz | sometimes the package is a meta-package but has no default canidate |
| 21:20.00 | kombi | bob2: I though it was maybe to do with distro flavour |
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| 21:20.04 | Azar | so no, the modules are not in /usr/src directory |
| 21:20.08 | bob2 | kombi: this is probably about the point where you explain whayt you're trying to acheieve, rather than what silly thing you're doing |
| 21:20.11 | bob2 | Azar: of course not |
| 21:20.20 | dupondje | hi guys got some fucked up partitions :s |
| 21:20.21 | kombi | bob2: point taken.. |
| 21:20.23 | bob2 | modules have never lived in /usr/sbin/ |
| 21:20.26 | dupondje | /dev/hda1 1 96 48163+ 83 Linux |
| 21:20.26 | dupondje | Partition 1 does not end on cylinder boundary: |
| 21:20.26 | dupondje | <PROTECTED> |
| 21:20.31 | dupondje | how could i fix this shit ? :s |
| 21:20.32 | fusibou | now i remember why i quit being a lawyer |
| 21:20.34 | nvz | Azar: compiled modules? |
| 21:20.36 | Azar | so bob2, where then? |
| 21:20.38 | fusibou | ciao |
| 21:20.45 | Azar | nvz, only at kernel upgrade |
| 21:20.48 | bob2 | Azar: /lib/modules/, as they have been for as long as I've used linux |
| 21:20.50 | nvz | Azar: /lib/modules/ |
| 21:20.51 | Blissex | ribnitz: I think with 2.6.x kernel you can set DMA using '/proc' or '/sys'... |
| 21:20.53 | bob2 | Azar: anda again, don't use insmod |
| 21:20.55 | Azar | thanks |
| 21:21.03 | bob2 | Azar: install it properly and use modprobe |
| 21:21.04 | Azar | insmod does not work for me :) |
| 21:21.12 | bob2 | yes, I know |
| 21:21.17 | bob2 | and neither will modprobe |
| 21:21.28 | bob2 | whatever file you're reading was written by some sort of deficient chimp |
| 21:21.30 | FieldySnuts | ravenbird: win bob2 |
| 21:21.32 | ravenbird | Congratulations, bob2! You have won second prize in a beauty contest! |
| 21:21.32 | kombi | bob2: just read how easy it is to create boot floppies with package boot-floppies, but that has no candidate. I wonder what one could do instead |
| 21:21.44 | bob2 | kombi: why do you want to do that? |
| 21:21.52 | bob2 | kombi: hint: even the authors of boot-floppies don't touch it anymore |
| 21:21.55 | dupondje | somebody ?? :( |
| 21:21.57 | mutantspider | alright, just read a little bit. could I put the debian disc in and instead of hitting enter type "grub-install /dev/hda", would that install over the mbr or is this only possible within a unix-like environment |
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| 21:22.14 | kombi | bob2: had a couple of occasions where I could have used one.. |
| 21:22.23 | bob2 | kombi: a boot disk? |
| 21:22.26 | tarzeau | where is .mk ? |
| 21:22.27 | kombi | yip |
| 21:22.48 | bob2 | kombi: then just download the .bin images off the debian mirrors |
| 21:22.54 | chealer | Azar: you have a custom 2.6.10 kernel? |
| 21:23.00 | bob2 | kombi: the boot-floppies source is for building custom woody installers |
| 21:23.04 | bob2 | (ie not something you want to touch) |
| 21:23.09 | caphuso | tarzeau: where yugoslavia used to be |
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| 21:23.14 | kombi | bob2: oh, ok! |
| 21:23.15 | dvs | chealer: There's no debian 2.6.10 kernel |
| 21:23.17 | Azar | chealer, no just whatever I was able to compile |
| 21:23.26 | chealer | I mean the unstable one |
| 21:23.28 | kombi | thx! |
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| 21:23.48 | junix|work | hey guys i just installed Woddy 3.0r4 and i have a RealTek 8139 card in there and 2.4.18bf won't load the module....any reason? |
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| 21:23.51 | kombi | I'll dive into debian style kernel rolling next.. |
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| 21:24.04 | Azar | chealer yes downloaded and compiled as minimal as I am able to |
| 21:24.14 | streuner | tarzeau: http://www.domaininformation.de/de/ccTLD/mk.html |
| 21:24.16 | chealer | Azar: you're sure you need to compile your kernel? |
| 21:24.26 | tarzeau | streuner: http://mt.net.mk/mediacorner/Uploads/zimskeradosti.jpg |
| 21:24.34 | tarzeau | streuner: don't click |
| 21:24.36 | bob2 | junix|work: because the driver is built into the kernel |
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| 21:24.43 | tarzeau | streuner: i just needed a place to keep my copy/paste buffer |
| 21:24.54 | junix|work | bob2: but i put it into /etc/modules and its not loading on boot |
| 21:25.09 | bob2 | junix|work: well, that's nice, but there's no module to load |
| 21:25.11 | bob2 | it's built into the kernel |
| 21:25.16 | streuner | tarzeau: nice girl |
| 21:25.21 | Azar | chealer, I have had done several attempts to get startx working, including messing with XF86Config-4, nvidia driver and whatnot, I guess there is an ugly mixture there I want to cleanup and redo |
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| 21:25.29 | junix|work | bob2: but it won't work, i can't ping anything |
| 21:25.35 | pinu | hi guys .. i have a problem with loop-aes..i have install it with an howto from the web and the install works..make tests give me ***test results ok*** out ...but when i want to encrypt a hd with losetup it makes nothing ...? |
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| 21:25.52 | bob2 | junix|work: then you need to configure it |
| 21:25.57 | Azar | chaler I have reasons to believe that my linux is dizzy by now |
| 21:25.57 | junix|work | bob2: it is |
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| 21:26.01 | lewis | in nsswitch.conf, passwd: compat, how do I know that 'compat' has all the files it needs? |
| 21:26.09 | kombi | oh, oh, that is going to be a toughie, make menuconfig takes minutes to start.. |
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| 21:26.11 | greycat | by reading nsswitch.conf |
| 21:26.15 | greycat | by reading man nsswitch.conf :/ |
| 21:26.19 | kombi | (slow box..) |
| 21:26.21 | Azar | what bugs me is that I was not able to find out what is going on |
| 21:26.27 | bob2 | junix|work: well, obviously not, since you can't ping anything |
| 21:26.33 | Azar | and I might do a recompile wrong again |
| 21:26.42 | lewis | greycat: it says /lib/libnss_compat (or similar), and I have no libnss files in /lib |
| 21:26.42 | bob2 | junix|work: assign an ip, etc with ifconfig |
| 21:27.02 | greycat | lewis: "ls /lib/*nss*" returns NOTHING? |
| 21:27.13 | chealer | Azar: I don't understand why you need to compile your kernel? |
| 21:27.24 | greycat | lewis: if so... I think you found your problem! |
| 21:27.25 | Azar | chealer my nvidia module will not load |
| 21:27.29 | Azar | and nothing so far helped |
| 21:27.42 | chealer | Azar: with a stock 2.6.8? |
| 21:28.21 | lewis | grrr, it does, but when I tried to tab, wasn't coming up - weird |
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| 21:29.04 | lewis | well, compat-wise, I have, compat-2.3.2.so, and compat.so.2 |
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| 21:29.49 | Azar | chealer, what is a stock 2.6.8 ? |
| 21:29.56 | dupondje | could somebody help plz :( |
| 21:30.02 | dupondje | Partition 1 does not end on cylinder boundary: |
| 21:30.04 | dupondje | <PROTECTED> |
| 21:30.07 | Azar | I am trying to locate nvidia in that directory and run a fix for it |
| 21:30.12 | bob2 | you need to keep repeating |
| 21:30.16 | locutus1976 | Does sarge make a good web/file/print server for home use? |
| 21:30.18 | bob2 | we can't help until you ask 73 times |
| 21:30.20 | bob2 | locutus1976: yes |
| 21:30.22 | lewis | using 'dpkg -S', it shows that these files are from libc6. |
| 21:30.23 | greycat | locutus1976: sure |
| 21:30.41 | lewis | I have tried reinstalling libc6, and dpkg-reconfigure(ing), but to no avail |
| 21:30.47 | chealer | Azar: a stock kernel is what comes default with debian, or you install with apt-get install kernel-image-... |
| 21:30.48 | Azar | how one can locate a file (search) on a miriad of files? |
| 21:30.58 | lewis | it just reminds me of the time |
| 21:31.21 | nvz | s/73 times/a good question./ |
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| 21:31.45 | Azar | chealer a fresh install will do ? |
| 21:32.02 | CraigDun | anyone know a reason why acpid would constanly reboot my laptop? |
| 21:32.12 | ponds | CraigDun: what laptop do you have? |
| 21:32.16 | chealer | Azar: you don't need to reinstall debian. don't you know why you compiled a kernel? |
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| 21:32.48 | Azar | chealer I just upgraded to 2.6.10 |
| 21:32.57 | ponds | CraigDun: are you sure it has correctly implemented acpi support? most (especially older) laptops have nonstandard acpi tables which do not work properly with acpid |
| 21:33.24 | CraigDun | ponds: its a Cicero laptop. brand new. it has a Centrino 1.5Ghz in it |
| 21:33.33 | chealer | Azar: don't compile a kernel just because you want to upgrade. apt-get install it. |
| 21:33.36 | Azar | did make menuconfig, then make && make modules-install |
| 21:33.47 | CraigDun | ponds: model number is 1201CNT |
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| 21:34.06 | lewis | greycat: anything stupid I am doing/forgetting? |
| 21:34.12 | Azar | chealer I got it : links http://kernel.org |
| 21:34.14 | Azar | then compiled it |
| 21:34.28 | dvs | Azar: /msg dpkg kp |
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| 21:34.41 | chealer | hehe. I suggest you apt-get install kernel-image-2.6.10-? now |
| 21:34.49 | ponds | CraigDun: have you tried apm? |
| 21:34.58 | greycat | lewis: did you learn anything useful from the strace? |
| 21:35.12 | chealer | Azar: if you really want 2.6.10 |
| 21:35.13 | CraigDun | yeah apmd fails to install |
| 21:35.19 | Azar | damn nvidia.ko |
| 21:35.20 | Azar | found it |
| 21:35.29 | lewis | I saw the error, and a few of the files that it went through - (i.e. ones in /etc/pam.d/) |
| 21:35.34 | robin_sz | sigh ... the problem with the debian install on my brand-new Dell 1850 has been resolved. |
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| 21:35.56 | robin_sz | By the Dell dying a death and refusing to power up |
| 21:35.58 | sussudio | DELL |
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| 21:36.18 | robin_sz | what it needs, is hammers. |
| 21:36.22 | robin_sz | lots of hammers. |
| 21:36.24 | sussudio | http://www.ctrlaltdel-online.com/?t=archives&date=2003-04-11 < Delllll |
| 21:37.36 | chealer | sussudio: I don't get it |
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| 21:38.06 | nvz | chealer: good for you. you don't want to get what he has. |
| 21:38.12 | strubbel | howdy |
| 21:38.13 | robin_sz | he he :) |
| 21:38.35 | CraigDun | packages.debian.org says this package exists but when i use apt it says it doesnt: acpi-modules-2.6.8-1-386-di |
| 21:38.45 | usn | g2g, good night |
| 21:38.50 | robin_sz | anyway, they are sending me a "diagnostic enginneer" tomorow ... |
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| 21:39.18 | robin_sz | I'll point him at our toaster, see if he'll try putting a boot CD in it. |
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| 21:39.43 | sussudio | nvz: in soviet russia, it gets you |
| 21:39.44 | lewis | greycat: the situation is even occuring on multiple systems, implying that it was definitely something to with an update. The only question I remember being confused about in the last update, I am convinced was something to do with nsswitch.conf, but I have checked it out, and all looks normal |
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| 21:39.55 | strubbel | anyone here having a ALI M5273 A1 working with the ehci module kernel 2.4.27 ships with? |
| 21:39.57 | CraigDun | ponds: actually acpi works. i see what the problem is. it says critical temperature reached 1430C. That reading is wrong though, how do i fix it? |
| 21:39.57 | lewis | (and compared it to ones off of debian.org) |
| 21:40.20 | strubbel | i intend to buy one tomorrow. |
| 21:40.24 | LiquidGUI | wow this is strange, I switched to gnome and I still have KDE scrollbars :/ |
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| 21:40.45 | alex__ | hey, i know this is off the scope of the channel, but does anyone have a clue what server app i could use to setup a shoutcast stream which plays random files from a certain dir ? |
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| 21:40.58 | ponds | CraigDun: i have no idea on that... you may want to recompile with the temperature sensor off |
| 21:41.01 | alex__ | god, I sound like an idiot |
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| 21:41.15 | nvz | alex__: its ok, sussudio is here.. nobody will notice |
| 21:41.16 | CraigDun | ponds: damn, thats too much of a pain in the ass |
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| 21:41.33 | alex__ | nvz: s'pose |
| 21:41.39 | corey | can anybody help me get my monitor working? it goes into standby once debian is done booting :-( |
| 21:41.45 | alex__ | CraigDun : what board are you using ? |
| 21:41.48 | corey | ijust installedit |
| 21:42.04 | CraigDun | alex__: its in a laptop so im not sure |
| 21:42.08 | robin_sz | corey: try hiting alt-f7 |
| 21:42.22 | corey | ok |
| 21:42.23 | robin_sz | or ctl-alt-f7 |
| 21:42.24 | alex__ | CraigDun: on my epia10k the mb1 sensor always reads >160c, but the proc sensor reports the proper mb temp |
| 21:42.28 | corey | yea |
| 21:42.34 | alex__ | CraigDun: maybe you have a similar "problem" |
| 21:42.53 | CraigDun | alex__: is there anyway i can get acpid not to halt for a temp prob? |
| 21:43.14 | alex__ | CraigDun: assuming you have i2c and acpi properly configured, you could try typing sensors at the console, and see what's available |
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| 21:43.37 | CraigDun | alex__: whats i2c? |
| 21:43.42 | Zap-W | hey, what's kicking |
| 21:44.03 | greycat | Oh come on, do I *have* to resist that straight line? |
| 21:44.21 | Zap-W | you say that everytime :) |
| 21:44.44 | strubbel | can one recommend a ehci ic, e.g. nec, ali or some other vendor that works well with the kernel 2.4.27 ehci driver? |
| 21:44.45 | corey | cntrl-alt-f1? |
| 21:44.49 | corey | f7 didnt do anything |
| 21:44.57 | alex__ | CraigDun: i2c: http://secure.netroedge.com/~lm78/ acpid halts: maybe fiddle with /etc/default/acpid ? (e.g. make it stop loading certain modules ?) |
| 21:45.05 | dvs | strubbel: That depends on your hardware |
| 21:45.23 | dvs | strubbel: Oh. You haven't bought it yet? |
| 21:45.29 | alex__ | anyway, anyone ever setup a shoutcast server at all ? maybe suggestions for simple ones ? |
| 21:45.31 | PerfDave | Hmm, what's the "most Debian" way to run a second X server on tty8? |
| 21:45.36 | strubbel | dvs: exactly :) |
| 21:45.44 | LiquidGUI | wow this is strange, I switched to gnome and I still have KDE scrollbars :/ anybody know how to this? I didnt get any valuable information from google. |
| 21:45.46 | abrotman | PerfDave: tel your DM to start it is the easiest |
| 21:45.48 | nvz | heh |
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| 21:46.01 | PerfDave | abrotman: And how do I do that? |
| 21:46.02 | LiquidGUI | *how to fix |
| 21:46.05 | lewis | greycat: well, i may be back later - strange issue |
| 21:46.06 | dvs | strubbel: I had an ADS USB 2.0 PCI card which worked. I think it used the NED chipset |
| 21:46.06 | alex__ | PerfDave: [xkg]dm |
| 21:46.15 | dvs | s/NED/NEC |
| 21:46.21 | abrotman | PerfDave: you use kdm don't you? |
| 21:46.26 | PerfDave | alex__: I'm using kdm, it doesn't seem to have any option for that. |
| 21:46.31 | corey | do to the reconfigure xserver thing? |
| 21:46.35 | abrotman | PerfDave: i know it's fairly easy in gdm .. dunno about kdm |
| 21:46.38 | strubbel | dvs: with ehci? |
| 21:46.41 | abrotman | cafuego: happy? |
| 21:46.48 | strubbel | dvs: or only ohci? |
| 21:46.54 | alex__ | PerfDave: uhh, /me shivers @ kdm, I prefer gdm, easier to configure and more options imo |
| 21:47.01 | chealer | PerfDave: it will come in KDE 3.4 |
| 21:47.04 | alex__ | besides that it looks nicer, if you care |
| 21:47.04 | alex__ | ;) |
| 21:47.16 | cafuego | abrotman: "Record rainfall and storm force winds had emergency crews up all night in Melbourne and police today warned people to stay out of the city." |
| 21:47.18 | kombi | How do I find out how a default kernel was compiled (such as sarge's 2.6.8)? |
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| 21:47.42 | alex__ | kombi: there's a config.gz in /proc somewhere (use find) |
| 21:47.53 | kombi | thx! |
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| 21:47.55 | dvs | strubbel: There's only one ehci_hcd |
| 21:47.57 | cafuego | alex__: just /proc/ |
| 21:48.05 | alex__ | kombi: also you could just get the kernel-source/ kernel-tree pkgs |
| 21:48.11 | alex__ | cafuego: thx :) |
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| 21:48.26 | dvs | strubbel: ohci_hcd is for the USB 1.1 part |
| 21:48.48 | kombi | alex__: I beleave I have those, what do I do? |
| 21:48.51 | strubbel | dvs: but usb 2.0 cards ship with an additional ohci ic for backward compatibility with 1.1 afaik |
| 21:48.51 | Lee__ | how would I configure apt to change the location of it's .deb cache? |
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| 21:49.04 | LiquidGUI | I uninstalled the KDM and KDE-Desktop |
| 21:49.05 | kombi | believe even.. |
| 21:49.08 | LiquidGUI | still scrollbars |
| 21:49.10 | LiquidGUI | I even restarted |
| 21:49.13 | nostromo^ | im trying to see new mail using imap, but it doesn't get any (there's a new mail for me in /var/spool/mail which i can get locally by running 'mail' and such).. help anyone? |
| 21:49.22 | dvs | strubbel: Yeah, you need both parts for USB 1.1 and 2.0. The NEC uses ohci_hcd |
| 21:49.33 | alex__ | kombi: look in /usr/src/, there should be a bz2 which you can extract using bzip2 xjvf <filename>, then in the dir it creates, there should be a .config |
| 21:50.02 | strubbel | dvs: so you load ohci_hdc and ehci_hdc? |
| 21:50.03 | kombi | hmm.. find / -name config.gz found nothing |
| 21:50.10 | dvs | strubbel: yes |
| 21:50.25 | alex__ | aeon:/proc# find /proc -name config.gz |
| 21:50.29 | alex__ | <PROTECTED> |
| 21:50.46 | strubbel | dvs: did you use it with a 2.4.2? series? |
| 21:50.59 | alex__ | perhaps that kernel you're using is too old/doesn't have that option set |
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| 21:51.10 | alex__ | using the source package might be the best way then |
| 21:51.17 | dvs | strubbel: Yes |
| 21:52.03 | kombi | Or even more specific: How do I find out which iptable options were chosen in the kernel that came with sarge? |
| 21:52.15 | strubbel | dvs: ok, thanks for your report and excuse for beeing so annoying :) |
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| 21:52.32 | strubbel | s/ee/e/ |
| 21:52.32 | dvs | strubbel: np, i think |
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| 21:52.52 | green_earz | nostromo^: dose the server configured to have a imap server installed cyrus or others |
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| 21:53.32 | kombi | sorry, my epic went nuts.. How do i find out whether iptables is completely there? |
| 21:54.04 | kombi | greycat: whatever that means.. |
| 21:54.13 | nvz | kombi: lyrics |
| 21:54.19 | dvs | nvz: to what? |
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| 21:54.29 | kombi | his maybe |
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| 21:54.43 | alex__ | kombi: find /lib/modules/ |less |
| 21:54.48 | kombi | ok.. |
| 21:54.52 | LiquidGUI | here is what it looks like to me http://gui.deletefactory.net/Screenshot.png my weird kde/gnome thing |
| 21:55.03 | pole | anyone know of a way to let another user login and use a machine while xscreensaver is locked? is that possible? |
| 21:55.06 | alex__ | kombi: which is going to give you an excessive list. i just don't know the modnames offhand, sorry ; |
| 21:55.06 | PerfDave | If this doesn't work, I'll try kde 3.4b |
| 21:55.06 | green_earz | nostromo^: is the server configured with a imap server ? |
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| 21:55.26 | PerfDave | KDE 3.1 had some pretty natty desktop sharing shiznit, don't know why it was taken out |
| 21:55.27 | nvz | dvs: Bullet In The Head |
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| 21:55.38 | nvz | dvs: by Rage Against The Machine |
| 21:55.39 | dvs | nvz: lovely... |
| 21:55.46 | alex__ | LiquidGUI: what's weird about that? besides the fonts being too big ? |
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| 21:55.59 | LiquidGUI | The weird gradients |
| 21:56.09 | nvz | dvs: yeah he has good taste |
| 21:56.10 | LiquidGUI | and the scrollbars |
| 21:56.22 | LiquidGUI | Those look like KDE if I am not mistakne |
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| 21:56.27 | LiquidGUI | *mistaken |
| 21:56.30 | alex__ | though that looks very kdeish |
| 21:56.32 | alex__ | yeah |
| 21:56.41 | nostromo^ | green_earz, yes i can connect to my imap server and get new messages. it's just that nothing appears, while there's new mail in /var/spool/mail |
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| 21:56.43 | CraigDun | can someone tell me where i can find out what all the default groups are? i want my users to be able to access certain things but of course i dont want them to use the root account |
| 21:56.45 | LiquidGUI | I know my theme dosnt look like that |
| 21:56.50 | alex__ | mhm |
| 21:56.59 | alex__ | no idea why tho :( |
| 21:57.01 | LiquidGUI | I even uninstalled KDE-Desktop and KDM |
| 21:57.08 | kombi | CraigDun: etc/group |
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| 21:57.26 | xelam|home | o.o |
| 21:57.28 | alex__ | LiquidGUI: apt-get remove or dpkg --purge ? |
| 21:57.33 | PerfDave | CraigDun: less /etc/group |
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| 21:57.51 | green_earz | nostromo^: but you can see it in your shell accout with mail command ? |
| 21:57.56 | pmiperfection | anyone know if you can apt-get ati drivers |
| 21:57.57 | nostromo^ | green_earz, yup |
| 21:57.58 | LiquidGUI | I apt-get --purge remove kde-desktop |
| 21:58.02 | LiquidGUI | and then kdm |
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| 21:58.12 | alex__ | mhm |
| 21:58.14 | nvz | !ati |
| 21:58.14 | dpkg | Ask me about <ati drivers>. Or see http://www.linuxvideo.org to learn how to set up the all in wonder, or see http://gatos.sourceforge.net/, or non-free drivers at schneider-digital.de, or the excellent AcceleratedX from http://www.xig.com, or wait for the next XFree release The XF86 developers are lazy and not using ATI's patches, blame them and not ATI. http://xoomer.virgilio.it/flavio.stanchina/debian/fglrx-installer.html |
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| 21:58.16 | alex__ | no ideas then |
| 21:58.16 | LiquidGUI | should I dpkg? |
| 21:58.21 | lobomufas | hiya |
| 21:58.28 | teclo | Question: Does Debian GNU/Linux support ESDI controllers / hard drives ? |
| 21:58.35 | green_earz | nostromo^: it sound like the imap is not doing its job |
| 21:58.36 | sussudio | teclo: O_o |
| 21:58.43 | nvz | pmiperfection: /msn dpkg ati drivers |
| 21:58.46 | Araldit | Im using defoma for fonts, and installed a lot of ttf fonts in /usr/local/share/fonts/truetype, generated the deforma index files, and the command fc-list, gives me a list of installed fonts, and the newly installed files are the allright. I can however not use any of them in gnome ?? Howcome??? |
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| 21:58.49 | alex__ | LiquidGUI no, the --purge is fine |
| 21:58.50 | teclo | sussudio: yes ? :) |
| 21:58.50 | nostromo^ | green_earz, you don't say. |
| 21:58.55 | ribnitz | hello |
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| 21:59.05 | sussudio | teclo: found something from 1985? |
| 21:59.08 | alex__ | LiquidGUI : apt i mean |
| 21:59.10 | green_earz | nostromo^: which imap server ? |
| 21:59.22 | LiquidGUI | wow this is annoying, huge fonts and KDE scrolls and gradients :/ |
| 21:59.28 | nostromo^ | green_earz, courier something. whichever's in woody.. |
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| 21:59.40 | CraigDun | when i do lsmod|grep acpi nothing shows. how do i get acpi to start on boot? put it in /etc/modules? |
| 21:59.50 | pmiperfection | the reason why is i cant change my desktop |
| 21:59.59 | pmiperfection | and i was told maybe it is a card problem |
| 22:00.04 | green_earz | nostromo^: have you configured the box ? |
| 22:00.06 | dvs | CraigDun: It might be compiled into the kernel |
| 22:00.08 | Araldit | CraigDun: Install acpid |
| 22:00.17 | nostromo^ | green_earz, define "configured the box" ? |
| 22:00.20 | ribnitz | pmiperfection: its unusual to change resolutions. |
| 22:00.24 | CraigDun | Araldit: already installed |
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| 22:00.34 | dvs | s/might/might not |
| 22:00.36 | CraigDun | Araldit: i guess its not starting? |
| 22:00.43 | pmiperfection | well out of the box it was set to 800x600 that is to small |
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| 22:00.53 | green_earz | nostromo^: have you built the box that the imap on ? |
| 22:01.09 | ribnitz | pmiperfection: I always found it helping to only have it chose from one resolution. |
| 22:01.18 | nostromo^ | green_earz, yup. |
| 22:01.25 | InKy | how can i delete all the 'cvs' dirs in a folder recursively? |
| 22:01.26 | ribnitz | pmiperfection: if it does not do that res, try reducing color depth. |
| 22:01.28 | pmiperfection | so what is the command to set up the config |
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| 22:01.40 | pmiperfection | not xf86config |
| 22:01.48 | pmiperfection | but he dpkg one |
| 22:01.50 | ribnitz | pmiperfection: dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xfree86 |
| 22:01.50 | cafuego | !sing bob2 |
| 22:01.51 | dpkg | dpkg dpkg dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xfree86, sing it again! |
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| 22:02.15 | nvz | haha |
| 22:02.17 | pmiperfection | so you say lower color depth |
| 22:02.24 | pmiperfection | i set it to simple |
| 22:02.28 | cafuego | InKy: man find ... hint: find . -name CVS -exec ... |
| 22:02.52 | ribnitz | pmiperfection: "1280x1024/60hz, at 32 bit colors here |
| 22:02.58 | CraigDun | acpid shows up in ps aux but acpi doesnt show up in lsmod does that make sense? |
| 22:03.07 | cafuego | CraigDun: yes |
| 22:03.09 | green_earz | nostromo^: so you are building a imap server then have a look at sarge debian and postfix and cyrus. with cyrus users do not have a accout , all a virtual users |
| 22:03.21 | CraigDun | cafeugo: is that the way it should be? |
| 22:03.23 | cafuego | nvz: Actually, courier, not cyrus. |
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| 22:03.30 | cafuego | nostromo^ too |
| 22:03.36 | dvs | CraigDun: That is a daemon |
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| 22:03.55 | nvz | cafuego: ? |
| 22:04.00 | cafuego | nostromo^: There are various excellent HOWTOs on setting up an ISP-type virtual mail system. |
| 22:04.02 | CraigDun | dvs: should acpi show up in lsmod? |
| 22:04.03 | nostromo^ | green_earz, i'm trying to use exim, as it is debian's default MTA.. |
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| 22:04.12 | dvs | CraigDun: no, that is a kernel module |
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| 22:04.24 | cafuego | nostromo^: Just coz it's the default doesn't mean it's suited to any particular task. |
| 22:04.30 | dvs | CraigDun: that acpid is a daemon and lsmod lists kernel modules |
| 22:04.32 | green_earz | nostromo^: thats what i working on and still no luck yet bet getting there |
| 22:04.39 | cafuego | CraigDun: If it's compiled-in it'll never show up. |
| 22:04.45 | nvz | cafuego: you know just now I thought of why IRC should scroll down instead of up |
| 22:04.48 | CraigDun | dvs: isnt acpi a kernel module though? |
| 22:04.49 | nostromo^ | cafuego, i agree, but my needs are very simple. |
| 22:04.58 | green_earz | :nostromo^:sorry but |
| 22:04.59 | ribnitz | gah. still takes 18 mins for a dvd... |
| 22:05.02 | CraigDun | dvs: when i modprobe acpi it then shows up in lsmod |
| 22:05.09 | dvs | CraigDun: Yes, it is. You can get acpi in one of two ways. |
| 22:05.09 | cafuego | nostromo^: No need to run something huge like exim, then ;-) |
| 22:05.24 | abrotman | cafuego: so it's wet at your house? |
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| 22:05.29 | ribnitz | cafuego: nullmailer? ;) |
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| 22:05.59 | CraigDun | dvs: those would be? |
| 22:06.11 | cafuego | abrotman: Actually, it's dry and sunny at this point. More (LOTS more) rain this afternoon though. And the two major roads running past where I live are both blocked off due to flooding. |
| 22:06.18 | dvs | CraigDun: one is a kernel module and the other is a usermode daemon |
| 22:06.38 | ribnitz | cafuego: will be a quiet day then. |
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| 22:06.51 | nostromo^ | cafuego, ok, thanks. |
| 22:06.53 | CraigDun | dvs: so if acpid is running im good then? |
| 22:06.53 | green_earz | nostromo^: will be with sasl for login and tls for encrption |
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| 22:07.03 | cafuego | ribnitz: prolly... i hope the *other* road to the swimming pool is open, otherwise I might need to SWIM there. |
| 22:07.03 | dvs | CraigDun: acpid is a usermode daemon |
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| 22:07.12 | nostromo^ | green_earz, k, good luck. |
| 22:07.24 | dvs | CraigDun: yeah, don't worry about the kernel module |
| 22:07.31 | green_earz | thanks |
| 22:07.32 | abrotman | cafuego: sounds dandy |
| 22:07.40 | CraigDun | dvs: ok. i got another quick question about groups and stuff |
| 22:07.42 | ribnitz | cafuego: where were you at again?- us , right? |
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| 22:08.05 | cafuego | abrotman: Just freaky. The day before yesterday it was 33C, 24 hours later it was 11C and 50mm of rain ahd fallen. |
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| 22:08.13 | abrotman | cafuego: is this a freak thing .. or wet season ? |
| 22:08.20 | CraigDun | dvs: how do i allow my users i make to access certain things like iwconfig and that |
| 22:08.24 | abrotman | !convert 50 mm to inches |
| 22:08.25 | dpkg | 50 mm is approximately 1.9685 inches |
| 22:08.41 | dvs | CraigDun: I know nothing about wireless stuff on Debian |
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| 22:08.58 | cafuego | abrotman: record rainfall. it's february, which is the middle of summer here.. it should be in between 25 and 40C every day with no rain. |
| 22:09.00 | CraigDun | dvs: what about the mixer? when i made a user they couldnt use the mixer |
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| 22:09.10 | pmiperfection | no luck |
| 22:09.14 | dvs | CraigDun: Have that user join the audio group |
| 22:09.21 | kombi | my first debian style kernel is in the baking.. How do I tell grub which kernel to boot? |
| 22:09.32 | CraigDun | dvs: ah. whats the video group and stuff for? |
| 22:09.40 | dvs | CraigDun: yes. |
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| 22:09.49 | ribnitz | pmiperfection: try again. 1024x768 at 16 bits works almost everywhere |
| 22:10.01 | pmiperfection | that is what i just tried |
| 22:10.11 | Covener | kombi: make-kpkg will call update-grub when you install the kernel-image rpm -- at boot time you'll scroll through a list |
| 22:10.11 | pmiperfection | i lowered it from 24 to 16 |
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| 22:10.19 | cafuego | abrotman: If it stays dry I might go rubbernecking on the bike for a bit :-) |
| 22:10.20 | ribnitz | pmiperfection: how much video memory do you have? |
| 22:10.24 | pmiperfection | 128 |
| 22:10.30 | kombi | Covener: thanks! |
| 22:10.35 | CraigDun | dvs: does the video group allow playing videos or installing codecs or what? |
| 22:10.42 | kombi | not there yet but already curious.. |
| 22:10.42 | ribnitz | pmiperfection: what card? |
| 22:10.49 | directhex | pmiperfection, which card, which version of debian? |
| 22:10.50 | pmiperfection | radeon 9200 |
| 22:10.51 | abrotman | cafuego: hmm .. sounds fun |
| 22:10.55 | pmiperfection | new debain |
| 22:10.59 | abrotman | cafuego: isn't it all mud? |
| 22:11.00 | dvs | CraigDun: I'm not sure. What directory entries does video are used for. |
| 22:11.00 | pmiperfection | and new kernel |
| 22:11.05 | pmiperfection | 2.6.10 |
| 22:11.10 | directhex | "new" debian? |
| 22:11.13 | simonrvn | @kernel |
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| 22:11.15 | ribnitz | pmiperfection: ok, try the "VESA" driver. |
| 22:11.17 | pmiperfection | well newest version sorry |
| 22:11.23 | CraigDun | dvs: how do i check? |
| 22:11.24 | pmiperfection | alright |
| 22:11.31 | directhex | "newest version"? |
| 22:11.33 | ribnitz | pmiperfection: 1280x1024/24 should be doable |
| 22:11.43 | cafuego | abrotman: Nah, I imagine there's just flooding where the creeks cross the roads (I live close to the bay/ports and all creeks and rivers flow into it near here) |
| 22:11.47 | dvs | CraigDun: What are trying to grant access to? |
| 22:11.59 | pmiperfection | alright i will try |
| 22:12.09 | directhex | what the hell is "newest version" -_- |
| 22:12.09 | pmiperfection | is there a way to exit out of x without reboot |
| 22:12.18 | cafuego | pmiperfection: ctrl-alt-backspace |
| 22:12.19 | abrotman | cafuego: gotcha .. it's too cold to bike here .. about 4C |
| 22:12.20 | CraigDun | dvs: video players and stuff |
| 22:12.25 | pmiperfection | thank you |
| 22:12.37 | abrotman | cafuego: and that's about average for the week |
| 22:12.52 | cafuego | abrotman: That's not too cold :-P I used to have to cycle to school (12km) every morning in up to -20C |
| 22:12.54 | dvs | CraigDun: Yeah, my /dev/video0 has a group of video |
| 22:13.04 | abrotman | cafuego: uphill .. both ways? |
| 22:13.10 | ribnitz | directhex: whatn the heck is volatile? |
| 22:13.16 | abrotman | cafuego: and it's one thing when you have to .. it's another when it's for fun |
| 22:13.23 | abrotman | cafuego: and i also don't have cold weather riding stuff |
| 22:13.24 | cafuego | abrotman: That was in holland... what hills? |
| 22:13.28 | directhex | ribnitz, you don't read DWN? |
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| 22:13.43 | cafuego | abrotman: (The school was about 10m higher then my hosue, overall) |
| 22:13.54 | ribnitz | directhex: I work alot, and I havent read dwn for the last 2-3 months, no. |
| 22:14.00 | abrotman | cafuego: ah .. oh well .. i still don't have the gear for anything under .. say .. 50F |
| 22:14.09 | abrotman | or roughly 10C if i had to guess |
| 22:14.24 | kombi | what is dwm? |
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| 22:14.40 | ribnitz | kombi: debian weekly news. |
| 22:14.40 | cafuego | abrotman: just a long sleeved t-shirt and jeans would do for that |
| 22:14.48 | ribnitz | kombi: the cnn of debian |
| 22:14.50 | kombi | thx.. |
| 22:14.55 | kombi | I see |
| 22:14.56 | caphuso | that's dnN |
| 22:15.00 | PerfDave | Hmm, gdm doesn't support running on multiple ttys, I think I'll have a go at installing kde 3.4 beta |
| 22:15.00 | caphuso | not dwM |
| 22:15.13 | kombi | not the fox news though |
| 22:15.20 | caphuso | err, dwN |
| 22:15.29 | directhex | PerfDave, what do you mean it doesn't support runnign on multiple tty's? |
| 22:15.53 | cafuego | OSAMA BIN LADEN FUNDS RPM DISTRO DEVELOPMENT!! |
| 22:15.55 | PerfDave | directhex: I want to run one X server on Alt-F7, and one on Alt-F8 |
| 22:16.02 | directhex | PerfDave, erm... trivial |
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| 22:16.17 | PerfDave | directhex: You'd think so. |
| 22:16.17 | kombi | cafuego: I was wondering.. |
| 22:16.17 | abrotman | cafuego: have i mentioned i hate cold weather? :) |
| 22:16.31 | abrotman | cafuego: i could .. i just hate being cold |
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| 22:16.35 | cafuego | abrotman: Ah, you wuss ;-) |
| 22:16.36 | directhex | PerfDave, i know so, it's always worked spot on for me |
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| 22:16.48 | cafuego | abrotman: I much prefer it to too-hot weather. |
| 22:16.49 | abrotman | cafuego: sad considering i used to do winters in Maine, USA |
| 22:16.56 | PerfDave | directhex: How? |
| 22:17.09 | green_earz | PerfDave: startx -- :1 |
| 22:17.18 | kombi | The coldest winter i ever spent was summer in san francisco |
| 22:17.21 | directhex | PerfDave, edit /etc/gdm/gdm.conf, go to [servers], add n=Standard |
| 22:17.35 | directhex | where 1=Standard is alt-f8, 2=Standard ios alt-f9, etc |
| 22:17.39 | directhex | as clearly stated in the text |
| 22:17.46 | PerfDave | directhex: FFS, if I have to hack config files, I'll hack kdm ones |
| 22:17.48 | abrotman | kombi: you need some time in wiscnsin or minnesota |
| 22:17.55 | kombi | lol.. |
| 22:18.01 | dvs | bah! |
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| 22:18.32 | pmiperfection | still doesnt work god |
| 22:18.45 | directhex | PerfDave, your call, but "<PerfDave> Hmm, gdm doesn't support running on multiple ttys" is just wrong |
| 22:18.53 | directhex | pmiperfection, please please PLEASE define 'latest debian' |
| 22:19.03 | pmiperfection | god that really bothers you huh |
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| 22:19.13 | directhex | yes, it does. |
| 22:19.20 | AngelGabriel | sorry I got disconnected - If I plug a WAP into the ethernet port of a machine - instead of into a hub - can i get that WAP to connect to another WAP in order to give internet access? |
| 22:19.28 | kombi | tell him then.. |
| 22:19.35 | PerfDave | directhex: Somebody said that gdm was "easily configurable" when I asked how to do it. I thought that meant without hacking config files |
| 22:19.37 | directhex | it's something retards use to describe woody, around the time they complain about it being ooooooooooold |
| 22:19.52 | kombi | can't config without config.. |
| 22:20.09 | directhex | PerfDave, 1-line edits always seemed within your zone of competance |
| 22:20.15 | pmiperfection | so you are calling me a retard? |
| 22:20.28 | alejandro_ | I have a 350w psu connected to an Asus A7V600-X (I haven't connected anything else now). Whe the cpu fan decreases dramaticly (I have those fans that you can control the speed) the psu and fan stop working, is that because the pcu or because the mobo? |
| 22:20.40 | cafuego | AngelGabriel: Depends on the AP. |
| 22:20.46 | PerfDave | directhex: I don't like hacking config files if I don't have to. I didn't have to with the old version of kdm, I don't know why they removed the functionality but it's apparently back in 3.4 |
| 22:21.05 | directhex | pmiperfection, since you evidently can't answer a simple question with a simple answer, you chose the answer to that question. |
| 22:21.19 | pmiperfection | it is 3.0r4 |
| 22:21.21 | pmiperfection | god |
| 22:21.28 | cafuego | alejandro_: The mobo might be switching off if the CPU is overheating when you turn down the fan. |
| 22:21.30 | abrotman | PerfDave: that was me .. and you didn't specify without touching config files |
| 22:21.33 | directhex | !woody hardware suport |
| 22:21.36 | abrotman | PerfDave: crybaby :) |
| 22:21.54 | alejandro_ | cafuego, but there is no cpu there |
| 22:21.58 | kombi | cafuego: that WAS the best possible answer |
| 22:22.05 | directhex | dpkg, woody hardware support |
| 22:22.05 | dpkg | rumour has it, woody hardware support is firmly rooted around its freeze date - January 2002. It won't support new graphics cards (Geforce 4 or higher), disk controllers (Serial ATA), disks over 137Gb (LBA48), sound cards (nForce2), ethernet (e100, forcedeth), etc. Just run Sarge. |
| 22:22.11 | kombi | so stick in first.. |
| 22:22.20 | abrotman | PerfDave: though .. i'm pretty sure you can do it in the configuratino thingie |
| 22:22.40 | pmiperfection | i ran the sarge install |
| 22:22.42 | AngelGabriel | cafuego, One of them is a broadband wireless router, the other a dlink AP |
| 22:22.55 | directhex | you can spawn a second gdm from within a logged in sessio with gdmflexiserver |
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| 22:22.59 | cafuego | AngelGabriel: Does the AP support WDS mode? |
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| 22:24.17 | alejandro_ | cafuego, if there is no cpu then the temp would be minimum, why would the mobo turn the psu down? :-\ |
| 22:24.27 | AngelGabriel | cafuego, WDS? |
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| 22:24.55 | cafuego | AngelGabriel: WDS is a protocol for linking APs together (so they can run it both AP and client mode) |
| 22:25.01 | kombi | alejandro: Why do you even test it without a cpu? |
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| 22:25.11 | cafuego | AngelGabriel: Can you give me the EXACT model of the dlink ap? |
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| 22:25.37 | cafuego | alejandro_: If there is no cpu, the box shouldn't even switch on |
| 22:25.39 | alejandro_ | kombi, i don't want to break my cpu |
| 22:25.46 | alejandro_ | cafuego, it does |
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| 22:25.56 | alejandro_ | :-\ |
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| 22:26.30 | tsuji | hello |
| 22:27.04 | alejandro_ | no kind of beeb thou (I guess because there is now cpu...) |
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| 22:27.12 | kombi | alejandro: Stick in the cpu, mount the cooler and keep your finger on it to see whether it gets too hot |
| 22:27.12 | cafuego | alejandro_: Yeah. |
| 22:27.23 | cafuego | alejandro_: Does the mobo have temperature sensors? |
| 22:27.26 | MonkeyPolice | did install-info change recently? a number of recent Experimental packages assume a completely different layout of command line parameters for install-info |
| 22:27.34 | alejandro_ | cafuego, yes |
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| 22:27.42 | zimnyx | can you connect to mysql server from php4 script (apache) in Sid? i got newest available version of php4-mysql and php4 . i'm getting following error in apache logs: /usr/sbin/apache: relocation error: /usr/lib/php4/20020429/mysql.so: undefined symbol: php_sprintf. waht can you advise me? |
| 22:27.44 | dupondje | hi gys |
| 22:27.44 | dupondje | /dev/hda1 1 96 48163+ 83 Linux |
| 22:27.44 | dupondje | Partition 1 does not end on cylinder boundary: |
| 22:27.44 | dupondje | <PROTECTED> |
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| 22:27.49 | dupondje | is there a way to fix that ? :( |
| 22:27.51 | sussudio | !doe dupondje |
| 22:28.04 | cafuego | alejandro_: Just configure them to shut the box down when the cpu overheats (in the bios) and monitor the temp via lm-sensors for a while |
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| 22:28.34 | cafuego | zimnyx: That's is why Sid is called 'unstable'. Downgrade your php |
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| 22:28.46 | AngelGabriel | cafuego, Nah, i can't remember the exact model - it's 5 floors above me!! |
| 22:28.59 | cafuego | AngelGabriel: Then I can't help ya... |
| 22:29.06 | alejandro_ | cafuego, I have no net conection so I don't have any linux, althou I'm afraid to plug the cpu in :-\ but I think i have to.... |
| 22:29.22 | alejandro_ | cafuego, but will check the temp with the bios.... |
| 22:29.22 | cafuego | alejandro_: The *BIOS* should provide that functionality. |
| 22:29.40 | alejandro_ | right ;) |
| 22:29.40 | cafuego | alejandro_: Just tell it to shut down when the cpu gets hot. Set it to 60C or something. |
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| 22:29.53 | alejandro_ | cafuego, thanks dude |
| 22:29.54 | alejandro_ | :) |
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| 22:30.38 | zimnyx | cafuego: i'll try. thanks. |
| 22:31.13 | alejandro_ | cafuego, what do you mean? |
| 22:31.37 | cafuego | alejandro_: Mine monitors the temperature and if the cpu isn't hot, it just switches off the cpu fan. |
| 22:31.37 | larsie | I can't config the kernel with 'make menuconfig'. It says I don't have Ncurses liberaries. I've allready installed libncurses5. |
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| 22:31.45 | cafuego | larsie: libncurses5-dev |
| 22:32.05 | alejandro_ | cafuego, the cpu fan?? isn't that a little bit dangerous? |
| 22:32.09 | dupondje | guys |
| 22:32.16 | dupondje | if i change heads in fdisk |
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| 22:32.22 | cafuego | alejandro_: Nah, it spins back up when it gets hot. |
| 22:32.23 | dupondje | do i lose all data on hdd then ? |
| 22:32.31 | CraigDun | how do i make it so my users can mount and unmount things? |
| 22:32.36 | larsie | cafuego, what kind of CPU do you got? |
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| 22:32.43 | cafuego | larsie: AMD64 |
| 22:32.51 | alejandro_ | cafuego, curiosity, when does the cpu fan turn off? ( how many degrees) |
| 22:32.56 | cafuego | CraigDun: man fstab, see the 'user' option. |
| 22:33.07 | cafuego | alejandro_: No idea. 30C or something |
| 22:33.18 | alejandro_ | well, a64 are colder than other cpus... |
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| 22:34.08 | dupondje | if i change heads in fdisk, do i lose data then ? |
| 22:34.13 | bhearsum | can someone give me a hand burning a dvd in sarge? dvdrecord is being extremely fussy. anything i try to do results in 'invalid command' or something similar |
| 22:34.40 | alejandro_ | i've heard that a64 have a special metal thing in the pcu die size to cool it... |
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| 22:35.08 | green_earz | bhearsum: which kernel uname -a |
| 22:35.12 | bhearsum | 2.6.10 |
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| 22:35.18 | bhearsum | i'm using ATAPI mode, not ide-scsi |
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| 22:36.57 | green_earz | bhearsum: after 2.6.7 there is a problem of only burning as root, that may be it ? |
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| 22:37.37 | green_earz | bhearsum: or one to know about |
| 22:38.15 | bhearsum | i'm testing this out as root |
| 22:38.18 | now3d | hello, just installed debian testing/sarge, i wonder if somone can tell me how to get into kde as default? startx takes me into gnome |
| 22:38.28 | green_earz | bhearsum: unless its been fix ? |
| 22:38.35 | dupondje | nobody who knows that ? :( if i change heads in fdisk, do i lose data then ? |
| 22:38.50 | tsuji | ??? |
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| 22:39.16 | bhearsum | green_earz: i cannot burn as root |
| 22:39.27 | bhearsum | so that elimates a permisisons problem, hum |
| 22:39.33 | CraigDun | cafuego: i dont see that in the man pages |
| 22:40.00 | now3d | dupondje: i think you will likely loose data |
| 22:40.21 | now3d | anyone know how to change default X windows window manager? |
| 22:40.33 | green_earz | bhearsum: sorry but off and i do not know the burning command hope some here can help you out |
| 22:40.37 | akbg | now3d: ? |
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| 22:40.55 | green_earz | bhearsum: sorry off hand |
| 22:41.16 | bhearsum | the problem is that it seems to regard the drive as a cdrw, not a dvdrw |
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| 22:42.03 | now3d_ | akbg: i am not using debian x window manager selector, when i type "startx" grnome starts. I have all kde installed.. how can i switch? |
| 22:42.22 | akbg | echo "exec startkde" > ~/.xinitrc |
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| 22:42.34 | littlejo1n | Feb 2 23:28:29 mababasse sshd[18557]: Did not receive identification string from 62.12.107.221 and Feb 2 23:40:55 mababasse PAM_unix[18781]: authentication failure; (uid=0) -> root for ssh service |
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| 22:43.21 | littlejo1n | seemd like trying intrusion (I heard the hard drive) |
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| 22:43.44 | zimnyx | cafuego: is there a way to downgrade a package with dependencies? |
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| 22:44.09 | akbg | zimnyx: apt-get install apt-howto |
| 22:44.16 | akbg | see "apt preferences" |
| 22:44.17 | zimnyx | thx |
| 22:45.02 | now3d_ | akbg: thanks. Could yolu tell me where is the conf file which sets gnome as default at present please? |
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| 22:45.32 | Azar | at Debian installation - Configure Device Driver Modules - agpart - what command-line arguments could I enter for nvidia ? |
| 22:45.45 | akbg | now3d_: is xinitrc. |
| 22:45.48 | akbg | zimnyx: http://www.debian.org/doc/manuals/apt-howto/ch-apt-get.en.html#s-default-version |
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| 22:46.27 | bob2 | dupondje: turn that off |
| 22:46.29 | bob2 | bah |
| 22:46.32 | zimnyx | akbg: thanks |
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| 22:46.34 | bob2 | dansushi: turn that off please |
| 22:46.34 | now3d_ | akbg: hmm, /etc/X11/xinit/xinitrc does not really say anything about gnome.. |
| 22:46.50 | akbg | now3d_: no! ~/.xinitrc |
| 22:46.53 | Azar | bob2, I do a fresh installation, do I need command-line arguments to specify nvidia driver? |
| 22:47.03 | bob2 | I don't know what you mean |
| 22:47.12 | now3d_ | akbg: ok, yeah.. i dont have one of those.. and gnome still starts as default.. |
| 22:47.32 | Azar | I am configuring the device driver modules at installation |
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| 22:47.38 | bob2 | then you do nothing |
| 22:47.42 | akbg | now3d_: you use [x|k|g]dm ? |
| 22:47.46 | directhex | Azar, is this a desktop pc? |
| 22:47.46 | akbg | or plain login? |
| 22:47.50 | bob2 | if you want to load that big gob of binary gunk, you do it after your system is working |
| 22:47.54 | now3d_ | akbg: just plane login.. |
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| 22:47.56 | Azar | directhex, yes |
| 22:48.03 | directhex | !woody desktop |
| 22:48.03 | dpkg | from memory, woody desktop is not worth your time, or our time. You'll come back, and demand to know why everything's 'so oooold' and why you're on a 2.2 kernel. Please, for the love of god, don't run Woody on a desktop. "/msg dpkg d-i me" or "/msg dpkg woody->sarge" should make you feel better. |
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| 22:48.25 | Azar | directhex, I cannot afford something else |
| 22:48.29 | Azar | woody desktop |
| 22:48.43 | Azar | I was with sid |
| 22:48.46 | Azar | reinstalling |
| 22:48.53 | dondelelcaro | directhex: there's nothing wrong with running woody on the desktop if you know what you're doing. |
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| 22:49.04 | CraigDun | how do i allow my users to use halt? |
| 22:49.06 | akbg | now3d_: just create .xinitrc and write into this file "exec $whatyouwantforstartx" |
| 22:49.13 | directhex | dondelelcaro, if you know what you're doing, you don't ask questions tardish enough to warrant use of the factoid. |
| 22:49.15 | akbg | for kde, startkde, for gnome, gnome-session |
| 22:49.23 | Lee__ | CraigDun: man sudo |
| 22:49.23 | now3d_ | akbg: ok, thanks.. |
| 22:49.39 | Azar | directhex, I was not able to configure my nvidia module so I reinstall |
| 22:49.42 | now3d_ | akbg: i was just wondering why gnome is default when i do not have that file already... |
| 22:49.43 | CraigDun | Lee__: other then with sudo, is there a group for halt? |
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| 22:50.13 | directhex | Azar, which nvidia is this? |
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| 22:51.14 | UncleIstv | is there irssi for windoze? |
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| 22:51.40 | sussudio | !fgi UncleIstv irssi win32 |
| 22:51.41 | dpkg | UncleIstv: http://fuckinggoogleit.com/search?query=irssi win32 |
| 22:51.43 | now3d_ | akbg: going to try this X thing, thanks for your help |
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| 22:51.52 | akbg | de nada |
| 22:52.00 | ^Willie^aFk | do deb sarge version have an gui based network card config ? searching hours now |
| 22:52.20 | directhex | ^Willie^aFk, there's one of those in gnome |
| 22:52.28 | akbg | ^Willie^aFk: yeah, vim /etc/network/interfaces :P |
| 22:52.37 | ^Willie^aFk | yeah i did manual and no eth0 atm |
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| 22:53.01 | ^Willie^aFk | stupid think did his blind dhcp and never let me config my nic |
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| 22:53.24 | ^Willie^aFk | take the first ip in my dhcp range and that one whas an pc running services you know what happend then :@ |
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| 22:54.02 | jpablo | hi, is the program used to configure the network used in the instalation available in the installed system ? |
| 22:54.17 | PerfDave | jpablo: apt-get install etherconf |
| 22:54.25 | PerfDave | jpablo: Not exactly the same but not difficult |
| 22:54.36 | ^Willie^aFk | the partition check can that one be disabled ? not in woody but sarge install |
| 22:54.45 | jpablo | PerfDave, thanks. |
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| 22:55.03 | ^Willie^aFk | googling weeks for that one on other dist`s to |
| 22:55.41 | mdh | lalala |
| 22:55.58 | zimnyx | trala al |
| 22:55.59 | ^Willie^aFk | o-O |
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| 22:56.12 | cafuego | ^Willie^aFk: It got the IP off a dhcp server, so your DHCP server must be broken. |
| 22:56.17 | juan_ | where do i get this key F1D53D8C4F368D5D ? |
| 22:56.19 | ^Willie^aFk | nope |
| 22:56.29 | ^Willie^aFk | 2 routers both work ok with win boxes |
| 22:56.31 | FieldySnuts | juan_: can you please be more vague? |
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| 22:56.44 | ^Willie^aFk | suse slack and debian broke the dhcp range just take first ip |
| 22:56.50 | cafuego | ^Willie^aFk: it sure didn't magically decide to use an Ip that wa sin use. The dhcp server told it to use that IP. |
| 22:56.55 | ^Willie^aFk | first ip is an machine with static config |
| 22:57.12 | cafuego | ^Willie^aFk: Then why the hell is the server handing out that IP? |
| 22:57.14 | FieldySnuts | i doubt a dhcp client would ignore what it was told to do by the server |
| 22:57.19 | ^Willie^aFk | winbox just take next one linux box don't that`s why i never use dhcp |
| 22:57.25 | FieldySnuts | config the server properly |
| 22:57.26 | cafuego | ^Willie^aFk: Tell it to not give out that ip. Sheesh. |
| 22:57.35 | FieldySnuts | ass. |
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| 22:57.48 | cafuego | Don't blame the installer for your lack of knowledge. |
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| 22:58.03 | ^Willie^aFk | no i just need to config the linux clients manual but then must it work 2 |
| 22:58.07 | directhex | i've never even heard of that happening, if dhclient fails to get a dhcp lease, it gives up, it doesn't assign garbage |
| 22:58.28 | cafuego | directhex: No, he's using one of the Ips in the range he configured as static. |
| 22:58.32 | directhex | and if it gets given the same address as another machine, it sounds like you have a dhcp server set up, but also have static machine sin that range |
| 22:58.40 | directhex | which defeats the purpose of dhcp, and is dumb++ |
| 22:58.43 | cafuego | directhex: And then thinks SOMEHOW a client should know not to request that IP. |
| 22:58.53 | ^Willie^aFk | win boxes don't make an problem of it |
| 22:58.54 | directhex | isn't that the server's job? |
| 22:59.01 | cafuego | directhex: Yes, it is. |
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| 22:59.21 | ^Willie^aFk | you know what go to hell all of you lame suckers |
| 22:59.22 | cafuego | ^Willie^aFk: DHCP allows you to statically assign certain IPs to certain MAC addresses. |
| 22:59.26 | bob2 | stop it |
| 22:59.27 | vulture | wcb: sure they do.. windows boxes listen to the dhcp server, the dhcp server gives addresses in the range.. |
| 22:59.33 | vulture | s/ wcb/ ^Willie^aFk/ |
| 22:59.36 | ^Willie^aFk | i cam for some support not you dumb kiddo stupid shit |
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| 22:59.40 | strubbel | can make-kpkg make debian packages from non debian module sources? |
| 22:59.42 | bob2 | ^Willie^aFk: stop being a dick |
| 22:59.46 | bob2 | strubbel: no |
| 22:59.51 | bob2 | strubbel: not without extra work |
| 22:59.52 | cafuego | ^Willie^aFk: You got valuable advice, anything else you wanted? |
| 22:59.56 | FieldySnuts | ^Willie^aFk: yes. we're telling you it's the server, and you're ignoring us. |
| 23:00.12 | ^Willie^aFk | i ask how to manual config |
| 23:00.18 | cafuego | ^Willie^aFk: You were told. |
| 23:00.23 | ^Willie^aFk | not how to config my dhcp |
| 23:00.23 | bob2 | ^Willie^aFk: edit /etc/network/interfaces |
| 23:00.25 | FieldySnuts | many of us are experienced admins |
| 23:00.29 | FieldySnuts | geez. i give up have fun |
| 23:00.31 | cafuego | Well, maybe pablo got told. |
| 23:00.32 | bob2 | ^Willie^aFk: but it sounds like you just misconfigured your dhcp server |
| 23:00.36 | cafuego | ^Willie^aFk: run etherconf |
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| 23:00.46 | ^Willie^aFk | doh i did but is there not an kde config it it`s thing ok thnx |
| 23:00.46 | juan_ | where can i find the debian key archive |
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| 23:01.00 | ^Willie^aFk | command not found |
| 23:01.05 | FieldySnuts | again, please tell us what you mean by key |
| 23:01.08 | cafuego | ^Willie^aFk: KDE is a desktop environment, not a system config tool. |
| 23:01.10 | l3m | i installed httpd and mod_php. if i serve .php pages, it works fine, but for .html php doesn't work... any ideas? |
| 23:01.18 | ^Willie^aFk | in suse it do |
| 23:01.19 | cafuego | ^Willie^aFk: Did you *install* etherconf? |
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| 23:01.28 | ^Willie^aFk | dunno i have no inet atm |
| 23:01.29 | samuel | how do i set up the default web page? DirectoryIndex in apache2.conf? |
| 23:01.29 | cafuego | ^Willie^aFk: SuSe isn't Debian, is it? |
| 23:01.32 | bob2 | l3m: er, of course? |
| 23:01.32 | FieldySnuts | cafuego: wasting yer time, man |
| 23:01.44 | bob2 | l3m: why would apache run .html files through php? |
| 23:01.50 | harryvetch | Is there a way to watch a ssh person actions on a tty ? |
| 23:01.51 | ^Willie^aFk | this louzy noob team is a whaste of time |
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| 23:01.58 | bob2 | idiot |
| 23:01.59 | l3m | bob2: no, embedded php in .html used to work before reinstall |
| 23:02.00 | FieldySnuts | crikey |
| 23:02.00 | cafuego | samuel: yes |
| 23:02.04 | harryvetch | snoops works for telnet |
| 23:02.12 | FieldySnuts | this coming from somebody who says "noob" |
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| 23:02.19 | bob2 | l3m: then someone configured it specially |
| 23:02.22 | cafuego | And can't spell 'lousy' |
| 23:02.41 | cafuego | (or understand how dhcp works and reckons windows does it best) |
| 23:02.42 | rrohde | Question: my Debian Sarge install process hangs at 82% trying to find ATA IDE device... I have a SATA drive. What can I do? |
| 23:02.45 | cureless | harryvetch, you mean like watch on freebsd? |
| 23:02.54 | harryvetch | on debian |
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| 23:03.04 | cafuego | rrohde: Boot with 'linux26' |
| 23:03.04 | bob2 | rrohde: ask on the debian-boot list or #debian-boot channel |
| 23:03.11 | cureless | harryvetch, I got that, but I was giving an example of the application. |
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| 23:03.30 | rrohde | cafuego, tried taht.. same :) |
| 23:03.31 | m0nk3y8oy | i have debian unstable on my lapttop |
| 23:03.35 | rrohde | bob2, thanks.. will do |
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| 23:03.40 | chisno | holaps |
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| 23:03.45 | m0nk3y8oy | how do i enable apm? |
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| 23:04.05 | cafuego | rrohde: You can try switching to alt-F2 bwhen it asks for keyboard/language and modprobe the appropriate sata driver. |
| 23:04.06 | tsuji | hello ....eveyone |
| 23:04.28 | m0nk3y8oy | do i have to recompile the kernel for apm support? |
| 23:04.43 | rrohde | cafuego, wouldn't know what driver that is :) |
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| 23:04.50 | cafuego | rrohde: What controller is it? |
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| 23:04.56 | bob2 | m0nk3y8oy: no |
| 23:04.59 | bob2 | m0nk3y8oy: load the apm module |
| 23:05.05 | m0nk3y8oy | how ? |
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| 23:05.16 | spect0r | hello |
| 23:05.16 | harryvetch | Say a admin needs to call for expert advice and needs to give permision to access a remote account and wants to see what that person types on a terminal either localy or remotly. |
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| 23:05.27 | rrohde | cafuego, it's on an Asus motherboard |
| 23:05.32 | cafuego | rrohde: model? |
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| 23:05.37 | Poprocks | would there be a good reason to have both hotplug & discover installed? I feel like my USB modules are getting loaded, then unloaded, then loaded again upon boot |
| 23:05.39 | rrohde | cafuego, one sec |
| 23:05.42 | FieldySnuts | use ytalk, or a shared screen session |
| 23:05.44 | bob2 | m0nk3y8oy: add it to /etc/modules, reboot |
| 23:05.51 | HelmutG | hi. do you know a way to distinguish between linux and windows clients using dhcp3-server? |
| 23:06.02 | bob2 | Poprocks: if you're using 2.6, get rid of discover |
| 23:06.15 | cafuego | HelmutG: The ones that require a new Ip afetr crashing are Windows ;-) |
| 23:06.28 | HelmutG | i.e. how to put windows maschines into a different ip block? |
| 23:06.29 | Poprocks | bob2: ok, I'll get rid of it. Why would 2.6 not need it? |
| 23:06.30 | m0nk3y8oy | should i edit the file directly? |
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| 23:06.41 | rrohde | cafuego, Asus p4p800 se |
| 23:06.42 | HelmutG | cafuego: i thought of something usable. ;) |
| 23:06.46 | cafuego | HelmutG: I'm not sure DHCP automagically supports that. |
| 23:06.50 | m0nk3y8oy | it's just there is warning about using modutils |
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| 23:07.02 | spect0r | Ok, I am wondering about KDE, on Debian Sid, is the 3.3 pretty stable? |
| 23:07.06 | HelmutG | cafuego: at least the protocol supports it. |
| 23:07.22 | cafuego | HelmutG: Check the ISC website for docs... they might say... |
| 23:07.22 | HelmutG | cafuego: the worst case would include patching dhcp3-server. ;) |
| 23:07.29 | FieldySnuts | not all clients do, and I definately wouldn't count on windows' shitty dhcp to do it |
| 23:07.34 | bob2 | Poprocks: 2.6 feeds enough information to hotplug that nothing else is needed |
| 23:07.35 | PerfDave | spect0r: Seems to be, I use it without any problems. |
| 23:07.49 | PerfDave | spect0r: Though, it being sid, there's no guarantee that an update won't break it. |
| 23:07.54 | cafuego | FieldySnuts: I'd expect windows dhcp to at LEAST pass CPU ID and Windows registration key ;-) |
| 23:08.43 | spect0r | ok, about the general stability of Sid, is it as stable as most modern distros now |
| 23:08.43 | Poprocks | bob2: ok cool |
| 23:08.43 | caphuso | spect0r: no |
| 23:08.43 | zimnyx | akbg: i pinned php4 and php4-mysql to older versions found in debian repositories. apt-get install php4 gives: "Package php4 is not available, but is referred to by another package." |
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| 23:08.43 | PerfDave | spect0r: Depends on your definition of "modern distro". It's not as stable as, say, Sarge. |
| 23:08.43 | PerfDave | spect0r: /msg dpkg sid faq |
| 23:09.04 | akbg | zimnyx: you must put in your /etc/apt/sources.list a link for a mirror with these packages |
| 23:09.06 | cafuego | rrohde: Intel ICH5 would be my guess. |
| 23:09.15 | maurizio | about stock kernels: is it possible to use some frequency scaling daemon with stock 2.4.27-2-686? (bios allows it, but not very flexible) |
| 23:09.32 | rrohde | cafuego, syntaxial that would like... ? |
| 23:09.48 | RichiH | maurizio: switch to 2.6 |
| 23:09.51 | caphuso | spect0r: you can install the latest redhat release and be sure that it won't break if you install an additional package in two weeks. with sid, you can't be sure that installing an additional package tomorrow will not completely trash your system |
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| 23:10.11 | spect0r | I assume most desktop users run sid though correct |
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| 23:10.14 | spect0r | because it is the most up to date |
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| 23:10.29 | caphuso | spect0r: no |
| 23:10.29 | FieldySnuts | not quite |
| 23:10.37 | spect0r | Sarge? |
| 23:10.52 | maurizio | RichiH: 2.6 did not bring much except trouble on my other computer... I would like to avoid it for now. |
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| 23:11.30 | RichiH | maurizio: oh, ok. but the frequency scaling is much better with 2.6 |
| 23:11.39 | spect0r | What would you guys recommend running? |
| 23:11.56 | caphuso | spect0r: sarge |
| 23:11.59 | directhex | spect0r, sarge. |
| 23:11.59 | bucky | sarge net install iso |
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| 23:12.13 | spect0r | ok, does that have pretty recent software? |
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| 23:12.22 | bucky | yup |
| 23:12.30 | samdret | how can i change the keyboard layout for console in debian sarge? instead of qwerty, i have awerty or something. |
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| 23:12.41 | caphuso | samdret: /msg dpkg keymap |
| 23:12.45 | Cisyouc | Does anyone have any clue as to why ACX100 isnt loading correctly even though all the modules in the kernel that it needs *is* loaded in the kernel? http://rafb.net/paste/results/ODYJGJ46.html |
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| 23:13.10 | Cisyouc | sorry http://rafb.net/paste/results/0DYJGJ46.html |
| 23:13.12 | samdret | caphuso: this will work even if i log in remotely? |
| 23:13.47 | maurizio | RichiH: is it then possible with 2.4.27-2-686 as shipped by debian? cpudyn for example indicates I need /proc/cpufreq I don't see that here... |
| 23:14.11 | cafuego | rrohde: You probably want to 'modprobe sata_piix' |
| 23:14.27 | RichiH | maurizio: at least i never really got it to work on 2.4 |
| 23:14.45 | caphuso | samdret: if you're logged in remotely, then you're using the keymap configured on the box the keyboard is hooked up to |
| 23:15.43 | spect0r | I assume that Sarge won't have broken packages, just some might have bugs, and stuff right? |
| 23:15.44 | maurizio | RichiH: ok, then either 2.6 or no scaling... I'll choose no scaling for now :) thanks anyway. |
| 23:16.29 | zimnyx | akbg: i'm running sid, older package version is available in stable.i added stable sorces to apt.sources. still get :Package php4 is not available, but is referred to by another package, when apt-get install php4 |
| 23:17.23 | directhex | spect0r, generally |
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| 23:17.52 | rapha | Hi all! |
| 23:18.07 | rapha | Does somebody know how to reverse the effect of the localepurge package? |
| 23:18.47 | sussudio | rapha: probably |
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| 23:19.32 | caphuso | If you don't know what you are doing and can't handle any resulting breakage on your own then please simply don't use this package. |
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| 23:20.47 | rapha | caphuso: I didn't install localepurge. This system came with it. |
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| 23:21.02 | rapha | sussudio: Might you be one of them? |
| 23:21.03 | Kzimm | hi there is no apt-get for php5 ? |
| 23:21.10 | FieldySnuts | hope not, it sucks |
| 23:21.13 | dondelelcaro | !php5 |
| 23:21.13 | dpkg | php5 is, like, at ``deb http://packages.dotdeb.org ./'' but remember to read http://devel.dotdeb.org and remove the line or you'll hose your system, or http://lists.debian.org/debian-devel/2004/12/msg01992.html (for sid), but don't yell at us when they break your system |
| 23:21.19 | Overand | hey |
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| 23:21.31 | Overand | is there a boot paramater i can specity to get this machine to run something? |
| 23:21.38 | Kzimm | ty |
| 23:21.45 | sussudio | rapha: i'm guessing run dpkg-reconfigure locales, add your new locales, run locales again. |
| 23:21.46 | caphuso | rapha: localepurge gets only installed if you explicitely select it |
| 23:21.55 | caphuso | sussudio: hah, if it were that easy |
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| 23:22.06 | sussudio | caphuso: it's not? |
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| 23:22.27 | caphuso | rapha needs to gather a list of all packages localepurge deleted files from and then reinstall those |
| 23:22.32 | Kzimm | php5 is good to install you think ? |
| 23:22.39 | FieldySnuts | no |
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| 23:23.29 | Kzimm | ho :/ |
| 23:23.33 | Kzimm | why ? |
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| 23:23.53 | m0nk3y8oy | can someone help with enabiling apm |
| 23:23.57 | m0nk3y8oy | on a laptop |
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| 23:24.33 | m0nk3y8oy | lsmod shows apm |
| 23:24.42 | FieldySnuts | badgerbadgerbadger |
| 23:24.54 | m0nk3y8oy | but i cannot standby, i get input output error no apm |
| 23:25.21 | rrohde | cafuego, thanks.. trying. |
| 23:26.49 | m0nk3y8oy | anyone? |
| 23:26.58 | m0nk3y8oy | point me in the right direction? |
| 23:27.15 | m0nk3y8oy | does debian unstable have loadble module support for apm? |
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| 23:29.09 | cavediver | Hi guys. Assuming my mbr has gone corrupt and the system is shut down. What's the easiest way to restore grub to mbr ? |
| 23:29.36 | robin_sz | insert a linux boot disk |
| 23:29.56 | robin_sz | at the prompt boot prompt type linux rescue |
| 23:30.05 | cavediver | robin_sz: hmm ok. |
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| 23:30.44 | robin_sz | once its booted, most rescue disks mount the existing filesystem as /mnt/tmp |
| 23:30.48 | cavediver | didn't work on my netinstall sarge cd, maybe i wrote something wrong |
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| 23:31.01 | robin_sz | chroot /mnt/tmp |
| 23:31.13 | robin_sz | and then run grub or lilo or whatever |
| 23:31.15 | mdh | cavediver: boot from any grub disk, run 'setup' |
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| 23:31.45 | cavediver | grub disk ? Like in floppy + |
| 23:31.46 | cavediver | ? |
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| 23:31.59 | mdh | cavediver: yes, or cd, it doesn't matter |
| 23:32.28 | cavediver | Can I use the debian install cd?`Or do i have to make my own somehow? |
| 23:32.48 | mdh | cavediver: any grub is fine (so long as its a compatible version, heh) |
| 23:32.56 | cavediver | I see. :) |
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| 23:33.36 | cavediver | anything after setup, or is it copied to mbr then ? |
| 23:33.40 | Cisyouc | Hmm |
| 23:33.42 | mdh | cavediver: grub will self-install with its 'setup' command. eg at the grub prompt, 'setup (hd0)' will install it to the mbr of the first hard disk |
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| 23:34.06 | rapha | sorry, flew out |
| 23:34.06 | cavediver | mdh: Seems simple enough. Thank you. Will try it. |
| 23:34.19 | mdh | it is, that's the beauty of grub |
| 23:34.27 | Cisyouc | I just used make-kpkg and dpkg to make a custom kernel but for some reason uname -a shows only the regular kernel image, is this the way its supposed to be? |
| 23:34.46 | caphuso | Cisyouc: did you reboot into your new kernel? |
| 23:34.50 | Cisyouc | yes |
| 23:34.58 | drp | how can you change it so that someone else besides root can mount |
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| 23:35.13 | mdh | Cisyouc: did you perhaps call the new kernel the same name as the old one? ;) |
| 23:35.14 | FieldySnuts | man fstab , look for the user and users mount option |
| 23:35.15 | caphuso | Cisyouc: then you forgot to configure your bootloader, or chose the wrong menu entry or something like that |
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| 23:35.26 | Cisyouc | Hummm, okie.\ |
| 23:35.27 | drp | thanks FieldySnuts |
| 23:35.31 | m0nk3y8oy | does debian unstable have loadble module support for apm? |
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| 23:35.34 | PoWeRKiLL | hi |
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| 23:36.03 | PoWeRKiLL | where can I find software to probe temperature fan speed and other stuff of my HP DL 360 Server ? |
| 23:36.08 | mdh | Cisyouc: if you were running 2.4.28, and built another 2.4.28 and didn't mess with the name, funnily enough it'll still register as 2.4.28 ;) |
| 23:36.16 | sussudio | PoWeRKiLL: ask HP? |
| 23:36.43 | Cisyouc | i might have done something stupid like that |
| 23:36.45 | Cisyouc | :P |
| 23:36.45 | mdh | PoWeRKiLL: lm-sensors is the stuff you want |
| 23:37.18 | PoWeRKiLL | thanks mdh google lm-sensors :) |
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| 23:37.43 | Guerin | cssh lewis@feayn.org |
| 23:37.48 | Guerin | gah |
| 23:38.07 | FieldySnuts | heh |
| 23:38.07 | mdh | apt-cache search lm-sensors even ;) |
| 23:38.18 | mdh | Guerin: it let me in |
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| 23:39.07 | Blitx | howdy folks |
| 23:39.07 | Little_Dump | is there a default group that allows users to exec halt and shutdown? |
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| 23:40.03 | digital_ | bn tout le monde :) |
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| 23:40.32 | PoWeRKiLL | mdh : I got Sorry, no chips were detected. |
| 23:40.35 | Flimzy | Little_Dump: you mean like 'wheel'? No |
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| 23:40.57 | Flimzy | Little_Dump: you might try sudo |
| 23:41.11 | Little_Dump | Flimzy: is sudo easy to use |
| 23:42.18 | Flimzy | Little_Dump: If you know how. |
| 23:42.28 | Little_Dump | Flimzy: It seems i dont know how :P |
| 23:42.34 | Flimzy | Little_Dump: just like everything else in the world :PO |
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| 23:42.56 | m0nk3y8oy | does debian unstable have loadble module support for apm? |
| 23:42.59 | mdh | PoWeRKiLL: bummer :( Have you checked HP's website? They did have some Linux tools last time I saw |
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| 23:43.42 | Flimzy | m0nk3y8oy: That depends on your kernel, not on your distribution. |
| 23:43.46 | Little_Dump | Flimzy: after using sudo would I have to put the full path to halt if its not in the users path? |
| 23:44.05 | Flimzy | Little_Dump: then perhaps you would like to learn. |
| 23:44.09 | m0nk3y8oy | 2.4.27-2-386 |
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| 23:44.29 | Little_Dump | Flimzy: yes I would like to learn |
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| 23:45.04 | Flimzy | Little_Dump: not if you have things set up properly |
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| 23:45.26 | Little_Dump | hmmm good |
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| 23:46.02 | Flimzy | m0nk3y8oy: That obviously doens't tell me if you have apm support compiled as a module. |
| 23:46.13 | Phated | Heck, you can even alias it so you don't even need to type sudo. :) |
| 23:46.14 | m0nk3y8oy | how can i tell |
| 23:46.19 | m0nk3y8oy | debian sid |
| 23:46.38 | Phated | grep apm /boot/config-<version> |
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| 23:48.04 | samuel | should apache2 work without apache2.conf? |
| 23:48.04 | davidcsi | hello people! |
| 23:48.10 | m0nk3y8oy | grep apm /boot/config-2.4.27-2-386 |
| 23:48.11 | samuel | hello person |
| 23:48.14 | FieldySnuts | heh |
| 23:48.15 | m0nk3y8oy | returns nothing |
| 23:48.25 | m0nk3y8oy | so i guess thats a no then |
| 23:48.31 | m0nk3y8oy | looking at the logs |
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| 23:48.36 | FieldySnuts | grep -i apm |
| 23:48.46 | Phated | Yeah what the lady said. |
| 23:48.51 | Little_Dump | My laptop has a 2 scroll buttons (up and down) and they dont work with my mouse configuration. I tried turning on and off scroll wheel support but neither worked. Any ideas? |
| 23:48.54 | davidcsi | need a little help, just compiled a new kernel image and tried to install the package with dpkg but it returned: |
| 23:48.55 | davidcsi | Selecting previously deselected package kernel-image-2.6.8200501081. |
| 23:48.55 | davidcsi | (Reading database ... 103167 files and directories currently installed.) |
| 23:48.55 | davidcsi | Unpacking kernel-image-2.6.8200501081 (from kernel-image-2.6.8200501081_custom.david.2_i386.deb) ... |
| 23:48.55 | davidcsi | Setting up kernel-image-2.6.8200501081 (custom.david.2) ... |
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| 23:49.06 | mdh | samuel: that trollbot sure fooled you ;) |
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| 23:49.11 | sussudio | ... |
| 23:49.18 | davidcsi | anyone got that? |
| 23:49.20 | FieldySnuts | grep -i damnit |
| 23:49.22 | Phated | Nope. |
| 23:49.26 | FieldySnuts | got what |
| 23:49.27 | dondelelcaro | davidcsi: read /topic |
| 23:49.31 | sussudio | davidcsi: yes, i believe you were being a dork. |
| 23:49.34 | Erpo | Hi all. I just installed a brand new debian testing system and it decided to download abiword when I installed gnome. How do I wipe out everything abiword related without removing anything else? |
| 23:49.40 | |rufius| | sussudio: putting it nicely |
| 23:49.46 | sussudio | |rufius|: very |
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| 23:49.54 | m0nk3y8oy | grep -i apm? |
| 23:49.56 | samuel | mdh, oh... no kiddin... |
| 23:50.17 | dondelelcaro | Erpo: use aptitude, and remove abiword, and mark abiword's dependencies as automatically installed |
| 23:50.35 | samuel | mdh, why do people bother? i wonder... |
| 23:51.03 | mdh | samuel: kids these days... |
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| 23:52.06 | davidcsi | all right, I just compiled a new kernel (2.6.8) and tried to install it with dpkg and got this: |
| 23:52.12 | mdh | hmm.. bittorrent used to give me a nice flat line on the traffic graphs. Then I upped its bandwidth. Now it goes all over the place. |
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| 23:52.34 | Little_Dump | My laptop has a 2 scroll buttons (up and down) and they dont work with my mouse configuration. I tried turning on and off scroll wheel support but neither worked. Any ideas? |
| 23:52.36 | davidcsi | |/vmlinuz does not exist. Installing from scratch, eh? |
| 23:52.36 | davidcsi | Or maybe you don't want a symbolic link here. Hmm? Lets See. |
| 23:52.46 | davidcsi | earching for GRUB installation directory ... found: /boot/grub . |
| 23:52.54 | davidcsi | User hook script /sbin/update-grub failed at /var/lib/dpkg/info/kernel-image-2.6.8200501081.postinst line 1008. |
| 23:53.00 | m0nk3y8oy | ahhhh grep APM /boot/config-XX etc produces the following |
| 23:53.04 | m0nk3y8oy | CONFIG_APM=m |
| 23:53.04 | m0nk3y8oy | # CONFIG_APM_IGNORE_USER_SUSPEND is not set |
| 23:53.04 | m0nk3y8oy | # CONFIG_APM_DO_ENABLE is not set |
| 23:53.04 | m0nk3y8oy | # CONFIG_APM_CPU_IDLE is not set |
| 23:53.04 | m0nk3y8oy | # CONFIG_APM_DISPLAY_BLANK is not set |
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| 23:53.08 | FieldySnuts | fucking idiot |
| 23:53.12 | Phated | OH FFS |
| 23:53.16 | FieldySnuts | +q please, i'll pay for it |
| 23:53.23 | Phated | I'll chip in too. |
| 23:53.26 | FieldySnuts | hehe |
| 23:53.36 | Delph | hey, at least that one spammed quickly, rather than the ponderous one line per second ones. |
| 23:53.41 | Paganist | Can anyone tell me why "tail -f /dev/psaux" won't give nothing when moving mouse of clicking ? |
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| 23:54.01 | mattybats | what's the best way to install the java jdk on debian? |
| 23:54.05 | sussudio | well, at least the nick was appropriate. |
| 23:54.08 | Delph | mattybats: "java-package" |
| 23:54.17 | davidcsi | anyone? |
| 23:54.17 | mdh | mattybats: make-jpkg |
| 23:54.21 | sussudio | !anyone |
| 23:54.21 | dpkg | ***anyone: No such nick/channel - and yes, there probably is someone, somewhere, who knows or runs it; that doesn't mean *I* do. |
| 23:54.35 | Phated | Paganist: Because it's not a PS2 mouse, because the module isn't loaded, because it's not configured right. Choose one. |
| 23:54.51 | davidcsi | your point being... |
| 23:55.02 | Paganist | Phated: my mouse is a ps2, X uses /dev/psaux and it works very well |
| 23:55.18 | mattybats | Delph: java-package?? |
| 23:55.29 | Phated | Paganist: Try cat /dev/psaux. |
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| 23:55.33 | mattybats | i don't get that when i do apt-get install |
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| 23:55.48 | m0nk3y8oy | got kicked off |
| 23:55.58 | dondelelcaro | m0nk3y8oy: read /topic and don't paste. |
| 23:56.11 | Little_Dump | My laptop has a 2 scroll buttons (up and down) and they dont work with my mouse configuration. I tried turning on and off scroll wheel support but neither worked. Any ideas? |
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| 23:56.19 | m0nk3y8oy | i realise that now |
| 23:56.20 | Paganist | Phated: the kitty works, how come tail didn't ? |
| 23:56.28 | samuel | can I as a user use ban? |
| 23:56.33 | m0nk3y8oy | so i have loadable module support for apm |
| 23:56.41 | m0nk3y8oy | how do i configure it? |
| 23:56.49 | Xenguy | samuel: use /ignore |
| 23:56.55 | Phated | Paganist: No idea. Anyways, your mouse is working, watcha bitchin' at me for? :) |
| 23:56.56 | samuel | Xenguy, aaah, thanks |
| 23:57.17 | Paganist | Phated: hehe, was only wondering |
| 23:57.19 | Paganist | Thanks |
| 23:57.20 | Paganist | :) |
| 23:57.24 | Phated | :) |
| 23:57.55 | m0nk3y8oy | lsmod lists apm |
| 23:58.08 | Xenguy | samuel: you can try -> ignore -replies |
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| 23:58.55 | m0nk3y8oy | so i have loadable module support for apm |
| 23:58.57 | m0nk3y8oy | lsmod lists apm |
| 23:59.01 | m0nk3y8oy | how do i configure it? |
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| 23:59.55 | davidcsi | some help you guys are giving... no wonder... see ya |
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