| 00:00.19 | verus | does debian have any tool to show what encoding a filename is in |
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| 00:00.32 | caphuso | [Loz]: you probably copied one of the " |
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| 00:00.33 | [Loz] | I'm just getting synaptic |
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| 00:00.44 | pipeline | [Loz]: "apt-get install synaptic", actually. Synaptic is widely regarded to be the best of the various gui wrappers for apt. |
| 00:00.57 | [Loz] | ok, sorry, forgot the install, ive got it :P |
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| 00:01.38 | tarzeau | verus: there's mguesser |
| 00:01.46 | tarzeau | verus: ls |mguesser -n1 |
| 00:02.03 | [Loz] | are amd athlons k7's? |
| 00:02.08 | FieldySnuts | yes |
| 00:02.08 | tarzeau | [Loz]: yes |
| 00:02.30 | [Loz] | so kernel-image-2.6.8-1-k7 - Linux kernel image for version 2.6.8 on AMD K7. is for me? |
| 00:02.30 | verus | thanks! |
| 00:02.33 | pipeline | verus: I'm not sure it's applicable. Wouldn't the encoding be determined by your locale? |
| 00:02.50 | verus | no since i downloaded them |
| 00:02.58 | verus | in a .rar |
| 00:03.19 | nsanity | I'm having a kernel panic right after I finish with the first part of the installation: http://pastebin.ca/4281 |
| 00:03.22 | [Loz] | lol, synaptic is cool, ive been using aptitude |
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| 00:03.31 | troubled | simonrvn: you round? |
| 00:03.39 | FieldySnuts | nah, he's square. |
| 00:03.45 | troubled | damn, i knew it! ;) |
| 00:03.49 | simonrvn | troubled: yes |
| 00:03.59 | pipeline | verus: I'm pretty sure that ext2, internally, always uses ASCII/UTF-8. So display should be dependent on your locale. |
| 00:04.00 | FieldySnuts | ravenbird: rms? |
| 00:04.01 | troubled | howdy :) |
| 00:04.02 | verus | mguesser didnt guess right but an awesome tool! |
| 00:04.08 | simonrvn | troubled: what's this with TLS *only*? wtf |
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| 00:04.20 | verus | well what im doing is viewing the folder in firefox too |
| 00:04.24 | troubled | simonrvn: ? oh crap, I bet I know what happened hehe |
| 00:04.30 | verus | and was trying to pick diferent encodings in there until the filenames looked right :/ |
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| 00:04.45 | simonrvn | troubled: i haven't been able to send you mail in weeks |
| 00:04.52 | pipeline | verus: You know, I had this problem all the time on NT, but I haven't run into at all on linux. What's the rar? |
| 00:05.06 | troubled | simonrvn: exim was forcing my ns2 to use tls cause of *.kisikew... so I removed the *. entries, must have screwed your host names up |
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| 00:05.12 | verus | some songs |
| 00:05.20 | simonrvn | troubled: smtp.nuit.ca |
| 00:05.31 | [Loz] | ok,. thanks very much :D |
| 00:05.39 | simonrvn | troubled: the rDNS might be doing round robin though |
| 00:05.42 | troubled | simonrvn: I have that one, but cause ofyour dns setup you appear as a different name each time dns resolves ya (round robin) |
| 00:05.48 | troubled | roger that |
| 00:05.50 | earl3982 | how do u use apt-get to install the source for a package? |
| 00:06.06 | FieldySnuts | @u |
| 00:06.08 | ravenbird | Dammit Jim! It's YOU. Y-O-U. Not *U*. U is a letter. YOU is a word. See ne1. |
| 00:06.10 | simonrvn | troubled: good to see you :) |
| 00:06.13 | troubled | simonrvn: sec, ill disable forced tls for you if you like :) |
| 00:06.19 | reto_ | mkdir foo; cd foo; apt-get source foo |
| 00:06.22 | troubled | simonrvn: you too hehe, was on other day but you were gone |
| 00:06.32 | simonrvn | troubled: yes please. and also re-send you server cert, if you don't mind |
| 00:06.36 | lakcaj | Hi. I'm trying to build a 2.6.10 kernel using make-kpkg but have stumbled into several hurdles.... |
| 00:06.43 | cliechti | i'm trying to build kernel 2.6.8 with epia patches, make-kpkg build aborts because it does not know how to build "conf_vars", how do i get that file? |
| 00:07.03 | troubled | simonrvn: k |
| 00:07.11 | earl3982 | sh: dpkg-source: command not found? |
| 00:07.14 | doublehp | how to force reconficure of a package ? |
| 00:07.22 | pipeline | verus: Well, when you get the encoding you want in mozilla, set your locale in the shell, and ls should handle it correctly. |
| 00:07.29 | lakcaj | first, the compile failed with "error: structure has no member named `next_buffer'", so I checked "only build modules expected to compile cleanly" (or something to that effect) |
| 00:07.35 | verus | well thing is i went through all o fthem and couldnt find one :/ |
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| 00:07.40 | pipeline | verus: Then I would try renaming the files with mv under a UTF-8 locale in order to ensure that they're correct in the future. |
| 00:07.56 | pipeline | verus: Windows has the most ridiculously broken method of storing internationalized filenames. |
| 00:08.02 | pipeline | verus: This isn't debian's fault, in other words :P |
| 00:08.14 | verus | ah |
| 00:08.18 | verus | just crazy encodings i guess |
| 00:08.30 | minnime | Hi, I could not send emails via qmail as root,whats happening ? |
| 00:08.32 | simonrvn | earl3982: dpkg-dev |
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| 00:08.45 | lakcaj | Then, I did a make mrproper, and copied config file back to /usr/src/linux, and tried make-kpkg again. This time it worked, but I think since reiserfs isn't built into the kernel, I got a VFS error. So I did a mkinitrd and copied it to /boot, then edited grub to point to the new initrd. |
| 00:08.52 | earl3982 | simonrvn: ty |
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| 00:09.14 | lakcaj | Now, I am getting: modprobe could not load /lib/modules/2.6.10/module.dep - no such file or directory |
| 00:09.25 | [Loz] | Cya all! bed time! thanks for all the help |
| 00:09.29 | lakcaj | pivot_root - no such file or directory |
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| 00:09.48 | lakcaj | /sbin/init: 431 - cannot open dev/console - no such file |
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| 00:10.16 | lakcaj | Any suggestions? I'm not new to compiling my own kernel, but have yet to be successful doing it in debian. |
| 00:10.28 | simonrvn | lakcaj: trun off initrd already |
| 00:10.31 | simonrvn | turn* |
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| 00:11.21 | troubled | simonrvn: k, sent that cert and disabled forced tls for you. But if you wish to use tls your cert has to match (tls_verify still applies) |
| 00:11.21 | shingouz | what could possibly be wrong: my gprs works well when i hang it off the serial port but when i plug the same cable on a usb-serial adapter the computer cannot initialize the phone. today i bought another cable that is seen as a PL2303 serial on /dev/ttyUSB0 and i get the same "modem not responding" |
| 00:11.23 | simonrvn | lakcaj: you can't just plop in a debian kernel config and expect it to work. you need make-kpkg --initrd or just disable the initrd (better) in the config |
| 00:11.40 | simonrvn | troubled: i'll re-send mine |
| 00:11.46 | flex | my pure-ftpd doesn't start when setting --tls options to 'accept tls/plaine' or 'tls only'. hmm |
| 00:11.56 | troubled | simonrvn: nah, yours still seems to work unless you changed it |
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| 00:12.27 | ahewitt | hey I have just setup my ipaq to syn with evolution, and I have followed the instructions on the synce website to get ip passthrough working so I can browse the internet from my ipaq via the USB cable and I can't get it working. There apparently was an article on tekguru to follow to get internet explorer to work, but the article is gone and google doesn't have it in its cache...does anyone know how to get this working? |
| 00:12.29 | simonrvn | troubled: seems to work *shrug*. when you send to me it's does START_TLS |
| 00:12.30 | troubled | simonrvn: what I need is to find out why *.foo.com applies to my ns2 machine |
| 00:12.39 | lakcaj | simonrvn, I didn't want to use an initrd in the first place, but that seemed to be the debian default. I used the old config from 2.6.8. I'm not sure what would be so different? |
| 00:12.43 | simonrvn | troubled: danke |
| 00:12.49 | troubled | Roger that! |
| 00:13.15 | troubled | try send me some test email back. curious if it still works |
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| 00:13.35 | lakcaj | If I run make-pkg --initrd kernel_image and then install the new deb, do you think that will do it simonrvn? |
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| 00:14.08 | troubled | simonrvn: hey, finally got uml workin :) |
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| 00:14.15 | simonrvn | troubled: nice |
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| 00:14.37 | simonrvn | lakcaj: what i said. debian kernels use initrds |
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| 00:14.57 | troubled | simonrvn: testing on this workstation machine in dual boot. THinking converting ns2 to use uml's for services combined with the lvm snapshot for quick init 1 -> snapshot -> init 2 -> backup snapshot setup |
| 00:14.58 | apal0s | hello , one quick question should i use apt-get or aptitude for system maintenance and upgrades ? |
| 00:15.11 | simonrvn | troubled: niiice |
| 00:15.19 | minnime | I could not send emails via qmail out of scripts perl, php owned by root... Anybody has an idea why ? |
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| 00:15.59 | troubled | simonrvn: worked fine in my wks test so far. Only catch was the fs (ext3) had to be remounted ro and ext2 for snapshot to work on it |
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| 00:16.31 | lakcaj | simonrvn, ok.. thanks for the help. I figured just building an initrd myself and copying it to /boot and editing grub appropriately would be sufficient. I'll try passing --initrd to make-pkg. |
| 00:16.49 | apal0s | anyone ? |
| 00:17.08 | troubled | simonrvn: ext2/3 cause e2fsadm resises the fs and the lv by itself. any other fs seems to require me to manual adjust the fs boundaries ahead of time since e2fsadm + reiserfs doesnt do it for me |
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| 00:17.28 | simonrvn | lakcaj: actually, if you don't really need it (you don't unless you have something unusual such as raid on /, nfsboot, etc.) i'd suggest turning that off |
| 00:17.59 | simonrvn | troubled: /me shudders at reiserfs |
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| 00:19.06 | troubled | simonrvn: I cant complain though, ext3 is good enough for my boxs' setup. And the tight integration of e2fsadm and lvm is icing on the cake :) |
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| 00:19.22 | earl3982 | according the the debian standard, where is the proper place to put source for debian packages? |
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| 00:19.23 | minnime | Nobody can help me ? |
| 00:19.23 | Soundzor | !dpkg sound |
| 00:19.23 | dpkg | To configure sound in Debian *Woody*: first, use modconf to load your driver. Then add yourself to the audio group (adduser username audio) and logout and back in. If you use ISA PnP and 2.2.x, ask me about "isapnp sound". If you don't know what driver to use, start with "lspci -v" and "pnpdump". Install a mixer (e.g. aumix) and make sure the volume is not set to zero in software. If you have no modules, ask me about "idepci". |
| 00:19.28 | simonrvn | troubled: yeh, go with what works |
| 00:19.45 | ahewitt | have I just been spoilt by the speed of Thunderbird or has evolution really slowed down since the last time I used it (a couple of years) |
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| 00:20.35 | troubled | simonrvn: last time I couldnt get uml to work with tuntap (didnt have it compiled in/module) so I got put off. This test install using make-kpkg and debian patches all the way so it was somewhat easier :) |
| 00:20.39 | simonrvn | troubled: gonna be busy for next little bit. fixing up exim and trying to get these .debs built |
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| 00:21.05 | simonrvn | troubled: :). oh, i got grsec2 working with 2.6. fucking sweet. solid as a rock |
| 00:21.06 | troubled | simonrvn: np, ill idle around. msg if its important and ill reply when I can |
| 00:21.10 | troubled | :) |
| 00:21.19 | troubled | simonrvn: thats my next package of interest |
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| 00:22.51 | DaCa | simonrvn: on a vanilla kernel or a debian one? |
| 00:22.52 | mono_ | ideas how i can make my laptop sleep when i close my monitor (using apm)? |
| 00:23.56 | kiilo | hi |
| 00:23.56 | simonrvn | DaCa: what? oh, vanilla |
| 00:23.56 | kiilo | my server was hacked by a suckit rootkit - has somebody experience with that? |
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| 00:24.09 | Soundzor | So if I hear no sound, but lspci sees the soundcard, what should I do next? Dpkg tells me to use modconf on woody, same thing on testing? |
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| 00:25.12 | doublehp | how to force reconfigure of a package ? dpkg-reconfigure exim4 does nothing |
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| 00:25.27 | petemc | doublehp: dpkg-reconfigure exim4-config |
| 00:25.41 | troubled | petemc! :) |
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| 00:25.48 | petemc | hey |
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| 00:25.56 | DaCa | simonrvn: ah ok, because you said 'got working' i thought you actually ment you merged the grsec patch with the debian patches |
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| 00:26.30 | troubled | DaCa: I can imagine how much of a nightmare that would be |
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| 00:26.40 | Bogaurd | argh whats going on?! on my old distro i used to get about 8MB/s with vstpd, now i can barely get 3! |
| 00:26.41 | troubled | DaCa: my ns1 uses grsec, but thats vanilla too |
| 00:27.07 | troubled | Bogaurd: ifconfig showing packet errors? |
| 00:27.41 | troubled | Bogaurd: kernel/packages optimized/recompiled etc? |
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| 00:27.55 | Bogaurd | kernel recompiled |
| 00:27.58 | Bogaurd | vsftpd no |
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| 00:28.11 | DaCa | troubled: indeed it is, thats why I asked, one never knows someone had the courage :) |
| 00:28.16 | Bogaurd | no errors |
| 00:28.19 | Bogaurd | :\ |
| 00:28.33 | troubled | Bogaurd: well, dont think recompiling a daemon would give that much of a diff though. What about hd speed? dma enabled? |
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| 00:29.03 | sgeigerbot | helix: are you here? |
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| 00:29.14 | helix | yes |
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| 00:29.40 | troubled | DaCa: not sure if I like the last msg from grsec creator on 2.6 lsm issues though |
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| 00:30.02 | helix | sgeigerbot: was that all you wanted to know? |
| 00:30.12 | troubled | lol helix |
| 00:30.23 | Bogaurd | troubled: wow hd is really lacking.... how can i check if dma is enabled? i am only getting 4mb/s on my raid array |
| 00:30.35 | troubled | Bogaurd: hdparm works for me |
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| 00:31.12 | paulswm | nite all, stay safe |
| 00:31.13 | hooded | does anyone know why when I open konquorer, evn though I have a home destination of google.com it opens a blank page |
| 00:31.13 | Bogaurd | troubled: i use hdparm to test speed... how can i check if dma is enabled with it? |
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| 00:31.20 | sgeigerbot | helix: may I /msg you? |
| 00:31.29 | helix | I guess, but keep it short |
| 00:31.38 | sgeigerbot | lol |
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| 00:31.57 | troubled | (short == lowercase)? |
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| 00:32.36 | Bogaurd | troubled: using_dma = 0 (off) |
| 00:32.38 | Bogaurd | :'( |
| 00:32.42 | Bogaurd | how can i enable it? |
| 00:32.45 | troubled | Bogaurd: that might explain a bit |
| 00:32.51 | troubled | Bogaurd: man hdparm ;p |
| 00:32.56 | Bogaurd | hehe |
| 00:33.08 | Bogaurd | that might be why the load goes to 1.5 when reading a few files :P |
| 00:33.25 | DaCa | troubled: I am not aware of it, I still prefer 2.4 myself, but I know Brad can be pretty offensive yes, like a lot of ppl in the security world. That doesnt take away he does a pretty good job tho. |
| 00:33.25 | troubled | Bogaurd: well, its disabled for good reasons (tm) |
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| 00:33.34 | sgeigerbot | Bogaurd: sudo /sbin/hdparm -d 1 -c 1 -k 1 /dev/hda If that doesn't work, perhaps compiling support into your kernel is necessary. (btw, that also sets the i/o to 32 bit). |
| 00:33.52 | troubled | DaCa: sec, ill see if I can find the post |
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| 00:34.42 | troubled | DaCa: http://it.slashdot.org/article.pl?sid=05/01/10/035225&tid=172&tid=106 |
| 00:34.43 | xbud | its szi ! |
| 00:35.27 | Bogaurd | sgeigerbot: that boosted the speed from 4mb/s to 6... but i used to get about 30 |
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| 00:35.37 | Bogaurd | so, what would need to be compiled in? |
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| 00:35.49 | mono_ | what pkg do i need to download in order to send my laptop to sleep when closing my montior? |
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| 00:36.46 | shingouz | mono_: apm or acpi shuold do the trick |
| 00:36.51 | shingouz | should even |
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| 00:36.55 | troubled | mono_: http://www.linux-laptop.net/ might help? |
| 00:37.04 | hippo | how easy to make woody work w/ 2.6 kernel? a static one would do? |
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| 00:37.23 | MobyTurbo | hippo: kernels are always static |
| 00:37.36 | wolfsong | if my "taskbar" doesn't load is that a window manager or desktop manager problem? |
| 00:37.43 | WiFiTux | What is that key fingerprint and key that some people have? |
| 00:37.49 | mono_ | shingouz, i tired to download apmd - did not do a thing. tried to remove acpi - that did not work either. how do i check if apm is loaded on my kerenel? |
| 00:37.52 | hippo | MobyTurbo: I meant not modularized of course |
| 00:38.12 | MobyTurbo | hippo: you don't want to make a kernel 100% monolithic |
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| 00:38.35 | shingouz | mono_: ps -A | grep apm |
| 00:38.36 | troubled | MobyTurbo: you do if you want to prevent code being inserted into a running kernel |
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| 00:38.41 | Bogaurd | any ideas? |
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| 00:38.44 | shingouz | besides you need to read the man pages too |
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| 00:39.10 | hippo | MobyTurbo: um, why not? (I already have done it) |
| 00:39.29 | MobyTurbo | hippo: USB and other hotplugging especially |
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| 00:39.50 | troubled | hippo: well, i dont use 2.6 in debian yet, but I seem to recall that a specific module-utils package was needed in debian to handle 2.6 |
| 00:40.14 | sgeigerbot | Bogaurd: I don't know exactly. All I know is that on one of my machines running the xen virtual machine kernel I could not turn on dma anymore, so I assumed the problem was in the kernel. |
| 00:40.20 | hippo | troubled: that one I want to avoid |
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| 00:40.52 | troubled | MobyTurbo: im sure he could still compile everything that is usb into a monolith kernel |
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| 00:41.37 | hippo | MobyTurbo: I don't really need that, and not sure, that usb hotplud needs modules |
| 00:41.38 | DaCa | troubled: oh that one, didnt know it has been on /. ; that explains why other ppl have been talking about it lately, they were pointing to viewpoints that have been on the grsecurity and rsbac site for about a year now :) |
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| 00:42.18 | troubled | DaCa: that I dont doubt :) But still enough to make me afraid of 2.6 |
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| 00:43.10 | malenfant | hello, I've mounted my USB camera (USB 1.10, 12MB/s) as a mass storage device, and am getting very slow transfer rates (~25KB/sec), much slower than in iPhoto/OS X... any idea what's wrong? |
| 00:43.26 | nsanity | I'm having a kernel panic right after I finish with the first part of the installation: http://pastebin.ca/4281 |
| 00:43.37 | doublehp | is there a dummy package with which I can test my reportbug configuration ? |
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| 00:44.08 | astronut | What's a good CD ripping tool? |
| 00:44.19 | sgeigerbot | astronut: cdrecord |
| 00:44.27 | astronut | GUI tool |
| 00:44.30 | sgeigerbot | ...soryr...you asking about ripping: grip |
| 00:44.32 | astronut | ripping |
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| 00:44.33 | astronut | not burning |
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| 00:44.49 | sgeigerbot | astronut: ripperx is also ok |
| 00:44.53 | astronut | sgeigerbot: grip's good? i found the interface lacking |
| 00:45.19 | sgeigerbot | astronut: it works. |
| 00:45.20 | malenfant | or cdparanoia (command line) for ripping works well too |
| 00:45.34 | astronut | i didn't like it's output format either |
| 00:45.39 | digital__ | bn tout le monde :) |
| 00:45.40 | wolfsong | if my "taskbar" doesn't load is that a window manager or desktop manager problem? |
| 00:45.52 | astronut | wolfsong: what taskbar |
| 00:46.08 | DaCa | troubled: yes, the current state of linux kernel security is worrying, for the same reason I use FreeBSD on systems where I dont really need linux (like servers directly exposed to the net mostly) |
| 00:46.16 | wolfsong | astronut: the start botton, etc. |
| 00:46.28 | astronut | wolfsong: i mean, what dm/wm are you using? |
| 00:46.31 | astronut | gnome? kde? flux? |
| 00:46.43 | tarzeau | don't forget GNUstep |
| 00:46.49 | troubled | DaCa: bsd's seem kinda cool. But the last thing I need is another os to learn to configure/secure |
| 00:47.02 | wolfsong | astronut: gnome |
| 00:48.33 | DaCa | troubled: I understand, better use something you master for critical tasks, but in my case I have enough experience with the bsd's |
| 00:48.58 | cliechti | whats the trick with "conf_vars" when building 2.6.8 with make-kpkg? it misses that file |
| 00:49.06 | troubled | DaCa: your lucky :) I wish I got into some bsd before linux. Oh well. Least I caught the linux train! |
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| 00:50.09 | zangpo | troubled: it's not so different. if you know your linux well you will know bsd, too. |
| 00:50.31 | hippo | troubled: so you think 2.6 is still not stable enough for production systems? |
| 00:50.48 | troubled | zangpo: not so much userland im refering too. More kernel config, firewall (pf?) and package system |
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| 00:51.32 | dnb | hi |
| 00:51.47 | troubled | hippo: well, cant say since I dont use it. But from experience most issues dont apply except to a few people. But I dont touch em til last version gets phased out similar to 2.2 now |
| 00:51.48 | deb|progressing | with the new serial ata hard drives, I don't see any other option. getting SATA to work on the 2.4 kernel is not easy |
| 00:51.57 | zangpo | yeah, but especially this is very simple in bsd. very clean and minimalistic. |
| 00:52.16 | dnb | i'm geting my files via explore2fs on windows.. but i updated many packages. where 's that packages? on which directory.. |
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| 00:52.25 | troubled | zangpo: I tried openbsd. Liked the portage tree way of doing things. Always liked cvs |
| 00:52.53 | deb|progressing | there is also better support for ntfs to a point that write may be possible |
| 00:52.57 | troubled | zangpo: but If i wanted to recompile everything I probably would have a went with gentoo |
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| 00:53.15 | kiilo | my debian sarge was hacked by suckit rootkit - how could i transfer the mysql database? |
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| 00:53.19 | Nexus | Ok. I'm confused. Why when I do a chmod g+s dir am I getting an upper case S? |
| 00:53.20 | zangpo | troubled: my favorite is netbsd. it's the most simplistic. ;-) |
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| 00:53.50 | Nexus | I didn't previously get a S, I got a lowercase s... |
| 00:54.08 | troubled | zangpo: use portage style for packages too? |
| 00:54.13 | zangpo | kiilo: with mysqldump? |
| 00:54.17 | troubled | Nexus: man chmod |
| 00:54.33 | aurora | !portage |
| 00:54.33 | dpkg | portage is, like, the gentoo's bsd style ports system written in python |
| 00:54.36 | Nexus | troubled, I've looked at that already... |
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| 00:54.44 | Nexus | troubled, DIdn't say anything about a capital S... |
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| 00:55.06 | troubled | Nexus: well, try make a dir/file in that dir, does it keep group membership? |
| 00:55.21 | kiilo | zangpo: no the system could not boot after shutdown |
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| 00:55.27 | zangpo | troubled: yes. it's called pkgsrc there and it is also available for linux and mac os and solaris and other platforms. but besides this it's pretty much the same than portage |
| 00:55.29 | Nexus | troubled, The thing is, I have done it before, and I got small s's, but now suddenly it's big s's... |
| 00:55.51 | elnovato_jude | :-P |
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| 00:55.52 | troubled | Nexus: i see your concern, not sure off hand |
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| 00:56.03 | troubled | Nexus: what fstype? |
| 00:56.08 | zangpo | kiilo: if you can mount the partitions from a rescue disc than you could just copy the file in /var/lib/mysql |
| 00:56.15 | deb|progressing | zangpo: what kind of hardware suppot does netbsd have for the new hardware? |
| 00:56.27 | kiilo | ok this is possible? |
| 00:56.32 | troubled | zangpo: oh well, unix is unix...its all good :) |
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| 00:56.44 | kiilo | and then mysql users etc are copied too |
| 00:56.46 | Nexus | troubled, ext3 |
| 00:57.01 | troubled | Nexus: well, guess that rules out the fs drivers calling it +S :( |
| 00:57.03 | zangpo | kiilo: yes, this should be no problem. just copy the files back to another mysql install and you shuld be fine. |
| 00:57.05 | doublehp | I wrote a bugreport; it is stored in /tmp; first send failde due to misconfigured SMTP; how can I send it again ? |
| 00:57.11 | troubled | Nexus: all your dir's call it +S? |
| 00:57.14 | kiilo | super |
| 00:57.17 | kiilo | thx |
| 00:57.17 | |Rob| | channel, any idea how to reconfigure cups to allow use of different types of printer (usb, parallel, socket, etc)? |
| 00:57.29 | Nexus | troubled, Nope, some are +s |
| 00:57.31 | doublehp | kiilo: this is a frech channel |
| 00:57.39 | mono | whenever i try to set my laptop to hibernate i get the msg that acpi override apm. how do i stop acpi altogether. i have tried apt-get remmove acpi. what else do i need to do in order to stop acpi and activate apm? |
| 00:57.49 | doublehp | kiilo: this is an english channel ( no french ) |
| 00:57.50 | zangpo | kiilo: you're welcome |
| 00:58.01 | troubled | Nexus: try -s+s it again?> |
| 00:58.10 | kiilo | ;-) |
| 00:58.25 | doublehp | mono: did u install acpid ? |
| 00:58.53 | troubled | Nexus: curious though, when you make a dir/file inside the +S dir, does it keep the group? |
| 00:59.00 | doublehp | mono: most important: look for *acpi* in /etc/rc<?>.d/ |
| 00:59.14 | doublehp | mono: find out <?> with 'runlevel' |
| 00:59.17 | |Rob| | install apm mono |
| 00:59.23 | |Rob| | apt-get install apmd |
| 00:59.23 | mono | |Rob|, i have |
| 00:59.32 | |Rob| | remove acpi then |
| 01:00.09 | |Rob| | i don't recall if i had to remove it on my laptop to get it to work |
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| 01:00.40 | mono | |Rob|, i have removed it but it seens like it is still operational |
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| 01:01.00 | doublehp | mono: /etc/init.d/acpi* stop |
| 01:01.15 | artichoke | how do i make a binary package ive DLed available to apt-get |
| 01:01.35 | doublehp | artichoke: ??? |
| 01:01.54 | artichoke | im really fucking stupid i know |
| 01:01.55 | |Rob| | you have to make it a .deb |
| 01:01.56 | hippo | mono: what about acpi=off kernel comman line? |
| 01:01.59 | |Rob| | i'm not sure if it's that simple |
| 01:02.07 | |Rob| | i though apm overrode acpi |
| 01:02.07 | mono | doublehp, it is not active. when i reboot i get a msg that apm: was overwrite by acpi - while it is not installed |
| 01:02.18 | |Rob| | disable it in the bios? |
| 01:02.29 | mono | hippo, where would i define acpi=off ? |
| 01:02.48 | doublehp | mono: ah :) that is due to kernel arguments :) see /etc/lilo.conf or /boot/grub/menu.lst |
| 01:02.53 | artichoke | ive downloaded a binary file, so how would i go about installing it? i thought apt-get would handle it |
| 01:02.58 | hippo | mono: in lilo.conf if you are using lilo |
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| 01:03.21 | troubled | Nexus: get it solved? |
| 01:03.31 | doublehp | artichoke: dpkg -i file.deb ( if it is a .deb ) |
| 01:03.45 | artichoke | doublehp: its not |
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| 01:04.20 | doublehp | artichoke: if it is a pure binary, is it an installer ? or the application itself ? |
| 01:04.38 | pipeline | artichoke: What is it, and what did you download it from? |
| 01:04.52 | hippo | mono: the problem is that apm and acpi cannot coexist in the kernel, the first affected will be used, and that is acpi in most cases |
| 01:05.02 | artichoke | http://atrey.karlin.mff.cuni.cz/~clock/twibright/links/download/binaries/linux/i386/static/ |
| 01:05.20 | artichoke | i want an older copy of links that will work with debian testing |
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| 01:05.49 | pipeline | artichoke: It's static. Just chmod a+x it, then put it in your $PATH |
| 01:05.51 | Varg66 | can anyone tell me where/how to install new perl modules? |
| 01:05.53 | doublehp | artichoke: as root, put it in /usr/local/bin ( dont forget to : chmod +x <file> before) |
| 01:05.55 | cafuego | artichoke: http://snaptshot.debian.net/ |
| 01:06.12 | cybercobra | should I bother waiting for sarge to release w/ the new installer, or just use testing w/ the old installer? |
| 01:06.24 | artichoke | wow! thank you all. i must never ask the right questions |
| 01:06.31 | cafuego | cybercobra: Just fetch the rc2 installer. |
| 01:06.32 | mono | hippo,i am using grub not lilo |
| 01:06.46 | pipeline | cafuego: Broken link. What is snaptshot? |
| 01:06.51 | cafuego | pipeline: snapshot |
| 01:06.56 | doublehp | artichoke: SID includes links ... did you REALLY try to look for the package ??? |
| 01:07.02 | Varg66 | can anyone tell me where/how to install new perl modules? |
| 01:07.02 | artichoke | so does this mean it has no dependancies? its just a standalone |
| 01:07.08 | hippo | mono: I guess /boot/grub/menu.lst then |
| 01:07.19 | pipeline | cafuego: ahah. I thought it was software with a "clever" name |
| 01:07.24 | doublehp | artichoke: static ELF are standalone - yes |
| 01:07.25 | cafuego | artichoke: They're compiled binary non-debian apckages. They won't have depends. |
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| 01:08.09 | pipeline | artichoke: static binaries are done for convenience reasons. Say you have a shell account on someone else's system -- you don't have the ability to change the installed libraries, so you just throw a static binary into $HOME/bin |
| 01:08.20 | artichoke | i have a live version installed to disc..so im unsure what it is exaclty. i know that apt-get says i need a new lib that i cannot get |
| 01:08.23 | cybercobra | cafuego: is there any way to just download the installer, or do I have to download another cdimage? |
| 01:08.28 | pipeline | artichoke: "live" version? |
| 01:08.40 | pipeline | artichoke: I hope you're not talking about Knoppix. |
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| 01:08.43 | artichoke | pipeline: does this mean it will be slow? |
| 01:08.48 | cafuego | cybercobra: Just get the 40MB business card cd image. (If you have decent bandwidth) |
| 01:08.48 | artichoke | live cd installed to disc |
| 01:08.52 | artichoke | Damn Small Linux |
| 01:08.54 | nostalg1c | hmm, i'm trying to apt-get install autorespond on stable, but there's no installation candidate. any idea on how to resolve that? |
| 01:08.56 | artichoke | disk |
| 01:08.57 | The_Vulture | artichoke: which has what to do with us? |
| 01:09.05 | The_Vulture | artichoke: this is #debian not #dsl |
| 01:09.06 | cafuego | artichoke: This is #debian. |
| 01:09.08 | pipeline | artichoke: That is the trail of tears. |
| 01:09.19 | artichoke | DSL = knoppix = debian |
| 01:09.27 | pipeline | artichoke: Knoppix is not debian. |
| 01:09.29 | pipeline | !knoppix |
| 01:09.29 | dpkg | Knoppix is _not_ Debian. Seek knoppix help in #knoppix. For those of you who don't know, knoppix is a livecd distro based on debian. It's useful as a rescue cd, to test hardware, and for situations where you have access to a computer but it doesn't run debian. http://www.knoppix.com/ |
| 01:09.31 | cafuego | artichoke: No, Debian = Debian. DSL != Debian. |
| 01:09.37 | cafuego | !essentially debian |
| 01:09.37 | dpkg | i heard essentially debian is yeah, xandros, libra, knoppix are all essentially debian, but methanol is essentially ethanol, and we don't recommend you drink methanol either. Just like you don't go to a Mitsubishi dealership for help with a Plymouth Champ, or a VW dealership for help with a Porsche 914/4, don't ask #debian for help with your pseudo-Debian: either get help from your distributor or switch to full-on Debian |
| 01:09.41 | Atropine | artichoke: knoppix != debian |
| 01:09.57 | artichoke | wow. ok. |
| 01:10.03 | artichoke | !! |
| 01:10.03 | pipeline | artichoke: You will have an extremely unpleasant time trying to make Knoppix/Xandros/DSL whatever use Debian packages. I suggest you get the sarge net install and use it. |
| 01:10.03 | dpkg | I am not your damn csh prompt! |
| 01:10.23 | hippo | !knppix artichoke |
| 01:10.27 | pipeline | artichoke: When you're installing Debian, the key thing to remember is, if you don't know what you're doing, just hit enter. The worst that can happen is that it wipes your disk ;) |
| 01:10.29 | cafuego | artichoke: guess how many knoppix users come here to whine about broken stuff every day? |
| 01:10.43 | Denys` | hello all! |
| 01:10.44 | artichoke | cafuego: a lot |
| 01:10.58 | cafuego | artichoke: guess how happy we thus are to NOT help non-deb users? |
| 01:10.59 | Denys` | hello artichoke |
| 01:11.03 | artichoke | im terribly sorry to be 'yet another' |
| 01:11.13 | Denys` | nop sorry |
| 01:11.20 | pipeline | artichoke: Sarge is not as hard to install as you would think. There's no reason to be using crippled, one-legged distributions. |
| 01:11.30 | mono | hippo, ok, i'll try to reboot now |
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| 01:11.45 | artichoke | pipeline: i dont think that its hard, just larger than 100 megs |
| 01:11.48 | pipeline | artichoke: http://cdimage.debian.org/pub/cdimage-testing/sarge_d-i/i386/rc2/sarge-i386-netinst.iso is the only thing you need, really. It's a roughly 100M CD with only the very most minimal system. |
| 01:11.50 | cafuego | The answer to all probolms is wipe-reinstall. |
| 01:11.58 | nostalg1c | hmm, i'm trying to apt-get install autorespond on stable, but there's no installation candidate. any idea on how to resolve that? |
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| 01:12.12 | pipeline | artichoke: Why, are you on an unusually limited connection? |
| 01:12.18 | nsanity | If anybody could help... I keep getting a kernel panic after the first part of netinstall w/ sarge (2.4.27) The error I get is here: http://pastebin.ca/4281 |
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| 01:12.29 | artichoke | pipeline: unusually old computer |
| 01:12.31 | cafuego | artichoke: it is if you fetch all 14CDs yes. if you fetch the 100Mb iso or the 40Mb it's around or under 100mb. |
| 01:12.38 | cybercobra | I'm trying to burn a bootable cd, do i want floppy image, hd image, or no emulation boot? |
| 01:12.42 | artichoke | really!! score! |
| 01:12.54 | cafuego | cybercobra: Did you fetch an iso? |
| 01:12.59 | artichoke | cafuego: the install will really only be 100 mgs!??!?! |
| 01:13.13 | pipeline | artichoke: The installed version will be about 200M. You can trim it down further, but why? |
| 01:13.16 | cafuego | artichoke: If you don't install every damn package under the sun, of course. |
| 01:13.17 | caphuso | /usr/share/zsh/4.2.2/functions/Completion/BSD/_bsd_pkg |
| 01:13.21 | deb|UT | now for the fun and games |
| 01:13.24 | cybercobra | cafuego: yup. burning it w/ xcdroast. don't know which of those options to choose though |
| 01:13.31 | artichoke | 200 is good. |
| 01:14.03 | cafuego | cybercobra: if it's an iso, you just burn it. no special options. Bootable CD options are only useful if you create the cd from scratch. |
| 01:14.03 | artichoke | because my laptop is old as jesus |
| 01:14.03 | cafuego | artichoke: Oi! I'm not that old. |
| 01:14.04 | pipeline | artichoke: How old? You'll need a substantial amount of RAM to install it. |
| 01:14.15 | artichoke | 80mb ram pipeline |
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| 01:14.24 | asg | artichoke: the abacus is not a supported Debian architecture |
| 01:14.31 | pipeline | artichoke: That's more than enough :P |
| 01:14.37 | cybercobra | cafuego: I have no idea how do do that w/ xcdroast |
| 01:14.41 | cafuego | artichoke: Worry if it has less then 12Mb |
| 01:14.47 | pipeline | asg: I have to run debian on vmware on my abacus. Performance is poor. |
| 01:14.48 | artichoke | ok |
| 01:14.52 | cafuego | cybercobra: Then just use cdrecord, like normal people. |
| 01:14.57 | nvz | nsanity: I can only assume this is an i386 compatible. what type of system specifically? |
| 01:15.10 | artichoke | it has a 2gig hd and i want to be able to use it as music storage, etc |
| 01:15.12 | nsanity | nvz: it's an HP laptop |
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| 01:15.17 | artichoke | so i need a small OS |
| 01:15.28 | nvz | nsanity: so we're talking Duron or AthlonXP? |
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| 01:15.39 | cafuego | artichoke: Debian is only as big as you make it. |
| 01:15.46 | nsanity | nvz: P4 2.8 stepping 09 |
| 01:15.48 | artichoke | i figured id try live versions until one worked decent, then install it...but i would love to have someting that actually works all around |
| 01:16.24 | nvz | nsanity: so you installed, and when you cannot boot to run base-config, when you get this error? |
| 01:16.27 | cafuego | nsanity: Try the linux26 boot option, just for fun. |
| 01:16.32 | nvz | seriously |
| 01:16.40 | guestish | are all cdrom drives supported equally under linux now? |
| 01:16.46 | nsanity | linux26? |
| 01:16.47 | cafuego | guestish: No |
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| 01:16.53 | cafuego | nsanity: 2.6.8 kernel |
| 01:17.05 | nsanity | cafuego: when I get to grub? |
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| 01:17.10 | cafuego | nsanity: When the installer cd boots, type 'linux26' then hit return. |
| 01:17.18 | guestish | cafuego: k, where would i find a list of supported ones? |
| 01:17.25 | artichoke | pipeline - how big is that .iso? |
| 01:17.25 | nsanity | nvz: correct |
| 01:17.28 | cafuego | guestish: Any IDE one will work just fine. |
| 01:17.40 | guestish | cafuego: its IDE |
| 01:17.40 | nsanity | nvz: it installed the base install but won't continue |
| 01:17.42 | cafuego | guestish: Just don't get a crusty early 90s ATAPI one. |
| 01:17.46 | guestish | cafuego: heh, its new |
| 01:18.02 | cafuego | guestish: Then it will be fine. |
| 01:18.12 | nvz | nsanity: hmm. not sparking anything so far, you can boot the bf24 kernel on the cd, but not the same kernel off hd. try cafuego's suggestion first, using the 2.6 kernel. |
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| 01:18.27 | Mh0user | howday |
| 01:18.49 | guestish | cafuego: k, and dvd+- drives? |
| 01:18.51 | nsanity | nvz: so I stick the cd in, type 'linux26' and then attempt to boot the hard drive? |
| 01:18.53 | spoofer | hi all! is there a way to fillter sent messages evolution to put them in specific directories? |
| 01:18.58 | cafuego | guestish: ditto |
| 01:19.01 | spoofer | *in evolution |
| 01:19.02 | nsanity | erm, root=/dev/hda4 |
| 01:19.11 | guestish | cafuego: k, thats what i thought |
| 01:19.17 | cafuego | nsanity: no, run through the installer again. |
| 01:19.21 | Mh0user | ^ agrees |
| 01:19.22 | n3o_X | are there php5 deb packages yet? |
| 01:19.28 | cafuego | nsanity: ... so you end up with an installed system using a 2.6 kernel. |
| 01:19.30 | cafuego | nsanity: no |
| 01:19.33 | cafuego | n3o_X: no |
| 01:19.54 | sgeigerbot | n3o_X: packages.debian.org |
| 01:19.56 | cafuego | spoofer: Yes, make a filter on outgoing stuff, afaik. |
| 01:20.08 | nsanity | cafuego: okay. |
| 01:20.12 | cafuego | n3o_X: Any reason php4 isn't good enough for you? |
| 01:20.14 | sgeigerbot | n3o_X: ...and, the ansewr is apparently no...but look it up yourself. |
| 01:20.30 | sgeigerbot | cafuego: the non-oop-iness? |
| 01:20.49 | sgeigerbot | cafuego: php4 is not enough for me...and I don't even program in php much. |
| 01:21.02 | nvz | nsanity: well I would try booting the installer with 2.6 and installing, I believe this puts the 2.6 kernel on the hd, its worth a shot since there is no smoking gun |
| 01:21.09 | cafuego | sgeigerbot: it OOPs just fine, provided the coder programs it that style. |
| 01:21.21 | nsanity | nvz: alright, I've give that a shot... |
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| 01:21.52 | sgeigerbot | &cafuego: &well, &you &are &right...&now &that &I &think &about &it |
| 01:21.57 | sgeigerbot | &&&& |
| 01:22.08 | cafuego | $sgeigerbot->dest(); |
| 01:22.18 | guestish | my cd-rw drive broke, i was just wondering if it was worth getting a dvd drive or a cd-rw drive... |
| 01:22.29 | cafuego | guestish: DVDRW+- |
| 01:22.31 | wolfsong | after trying other desktop mangers, i still have a problem where my taskbar (start icon, etc.) does not show |
| 01:22.32 | cafuego | guestish: Dl too |
| 01:22.33 | wolfsong | any ideas? |
| 01:22.36 | guestish | cafuego: you think its worth upgrading? |
| 01:22.41 | cafuego | guestish: They're pretty cheap these days |
| 01:22.43 | guestish | both are pretty cheap |
| 01:22.43 | spoofer | cafuego: I try and i doesn't work... I do exactly the same as for incoming messages. Just choosing the "destinator" (?) in place of adressof sender. But it doesn't want to move the messages |
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| 01:22.55 | cafuego | guestish: Well, would you burn DVDs if you had that drive? |
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| 01:22.58 | guestish | im unloading the comp in a few months though |
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| 01:23.14 | guestish | getting a laptop |
| 01:23.19 | cafuego | guestish: You can always remove the drive, THEN unload it. |
| 01:23.26 | spoofer | cafuego: mm maybe It is impossible to create a directory in /SENT? |
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| 01:23.44 | guestish | i guess, but what would i do with it? |
| 01:23.58 | cafuego | Coz I cen tell you (for free) that after working on just a laptop for a couple of days/weeks, you'll want a desktop again. |
| 01:24.11 | guestish | heh |
| 01:24.27 | cafuego | laptop HDDs are _so_ incredibly slow |
| 01:24.28 | usuario | I was downloading a .run installer through mozilla-firefox, xcrashed unfortunately, but is there a way to resume the download(I have already downloaded 256mb out of 400)? if not through firefox then via other app? |
| 01:24.35 | guestish | really? |
| 01:24.39 | guestish | they dont sell 7200 rpm ones? |
| 01:24.45 | nvz | heh |
| 01:24.53 | cafuego | guestish: they do, but they get hot, eh? |
| 01:24.55 | elnovato | they sell |
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| 01:25.23 | guestish | cafuego: hmm...good point.. |
| 01:25.38 | guestish | i suppose it would get hot... |
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| 01:25.54 | cafuego | and there won't be aircirculation in the laptop |
| 01:25.59 | guestish | wonder if i can get an external firewire hard drive... |
| 01:26.16 | nsanity | nvz: there she goes... that fixed it right up |
| 01:26.20 | cafuego | guestish: You can, but that will be as slow or slower then the internal drive. |
| 01:26.26 | guestish | cafuego: why's that? |
| 01:26.29 | nvz | nsanity: yeehaw =P |
| 01:26.32 | guestish | i thought firewire has a high enough transfer rate |
| 01:26.35 | nsanity | cafuego & nvz: thanks yous guys |
| 01:26.43 | cafuego | guestish: It does in theory, yes. |
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| 01:26.51 | guestish | cafuego: this from experience? |
| 01:27.01 | cafuego | guestish: I can't seem to ever top 8 to 9MB/sec on my FW400 drive though |
| 01:27.06 | guestish | o_O |
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| 01:27.18 | guestish | what rpm and how old? |
| 01:27.37 | hacim | is /etc/environment a valid debianism? |
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| 01:27.49 | cafuego | Seagate 7200 80GB 8MB ATA100 in an enclosure, 2 years old. |
| 01:27.59 | simonrvn | it's not a debianism AFAIK |
| 01:28.14 | cafuego | The same drive in my PC does 45+ MB/sec |
| 01:28.19 | guestish | might of improved in 2 years... |
| 01:28.23 | guestish | hard to say though |
| 01:28.28 | cafuego | Could just be a cruddy FW controller |
| 01:28.34 | caphuso | hacim: standard pam feature, provided by the pam_env module |
| 01:28.37 | cafuego | haven't tried it on the AMD54 yet |
| 01:28.41 | simonrvn | might *have* , might've |
| 01:28.44 | cafuego | Why don't I do that now. |
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| 01:28.48 | cafuego | Just a moment. |
| 01:28.53 | guestish | k, let me know how fast |
| 01:28.59 | guestish | simonrvn: irc grammar :) |
| 01:29.16 | hacim | caphuso: huh, I dont have it installed |
| 01:29.29 | elnovato | what is nice, "file/document server" ?? |
| 01:29.33 | cafuego | guestish: Need to boot Linux, be back in 5. |
| 01:29.36 | guestish | k |
| 01:29.47 | caphuso | hacim: then you're using a very old or very fucked up system and probably not debian |
| 01:29.54 | guestish | hd speed definitely is a concern |
| 01:30.00 | hacim | caphuso: no, using testing |
| 01:30.06 | caphuso | hacim: then you have pam installed |
| 01:30.29 | caphuso | !info pam-modules sarge |
| 01:30.35 | elnovato | !file manager |
| 01:30.35 | hacim | caphuso: I didn't say I did not have pam installed |
| 01:30.40 | elnovato | !file |
| 01:30.42 | caphuso | !info libpam-modules sarge |
| 01:30.45 | dpkg | libpam-modules: (Pluggable Authentication Modules for PAM), section base, is required. Version: 0.76-22 (sarge), Packaged size: 148 kB, Installed size: 476 kB |
| 01:30.53 | hacim | caphuso: what I said was that I dont have /etc/environment |
| 01:30.53 | Gwildor | hello |
| 01:31.00 | caphuso | hacim: so? create it |
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| 01:31.18 | Gwildor | doe any of you have an opinion about feather linux |
| 01:31.26 | hacim | caphuso: and it will be recognized? /etc/environment is different from /etc/security/pam_env.conf? |
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| 01:32.09 | Bill_Gates | hello |
| 01:32.18 | guestish | Bill_Gates: hi |
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| 01:32.29 | guestish | Bill-Gates: whats up? |
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| 01:32.48 | Bill-Gates | not much,trying to copy some code from linux |
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| 01:32.51 | guestish | code? |
| 01:32.53 | *** part/#debian trelane (~trelane@adsl-68-78-10-169.dsl.ipltin.ameritech.net) |
| 01:32.56 | Bill-Gates | to put in windows |
| 01:33.01 | guestish | ? |
| 01:33.01 | troubled | lol |
| 01:33.06 | troubled | good 1 |
| 01:33.09 | caphuso | hacim: same syntax, if that's what you asked |
| 01:33.24 | Bill-Gates | i love linux |
| 01:33.26 | secher | what package do the drivers for the linksys wireless cards come in? |
| 01:33.28 | guestish | Bill-Gates: cool |
| 01:33.38 | Bill-Gates | ppl make codes for free and i copy it |
| 01:33.56 | guestish | Bill-Gates: you bored little man |
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| 01:34.03 | pipeline | Bill-Gates: You're not funny. You realize that Windows already contains reams of OpenBSD code, right? |
| 01:34.03 | guestish | Bill-Gates: and i mean you, not the nick |
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| 01:34.18 | Bill-Gates | yea 'm kinda bored |
| 01:34.24 | Bill-Gates | cuz its night here |
| 01:34.24 | caphuso | Bill-Gates: be bored somewhere else |
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| 01:34.31 | elnovato | Bill-Gates: i know where your childs are located... and im potentially drunk and i like to wear guns |
| 01:34.38 | cafuego | guestish: Jan 16 12:34:23 cachaca kernel: sbp2: probe of 0030e000e0003499-1 failed with error -16 |
| 01:34.44 | guestish | cafuego: wtf |
| 01:34.44 | cafuego | guestish: Doesn't wanna work |
| 01:34.49 | Bill-Gates | uhm what chan do u suggest |
| 01:34.56 | cafuego | Bill-Gates: #teenchat |
| 01:34.57 | guestish | cafuego: you sure your firewire card works? |
| 01:35.01 | guestish | Bill-Gates: #trolls |
| 01:35.02 | cafuego | guestish: yep |
| 01:35.02 | guestish | :) |
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| 01:35.09 | Bill-Gates | empty |
| 01:35.10 | guestish | cafuego: well that doesnt help much, lol |
| 01:35.13 | guestish | cafuego: does it work in windows? |
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| 01:35.24 | secher | Shit, looked away, what package do the drivers for the linksys wireless cards come in? Sorry for the repost. |
| 01:35.25 | elnovato | Bill-Gates: i use your software without yer permisions... lol |
| 01:35.30 | cafuego | guestish: Linux seems to not like the enclosure (works wine under MacOS and Windows) |
| 01:35.34 | Bill-Gates | ohhh sugar |
| 01:35.45 | guestish | cafuego: well cant you use hdparm in mac? |
| 01:35.53 | cafuego | guestish: Of course not. |
| 01:35.54 | Bill-Gates | i'll be sending some ppl of mine to check in ya house |
| 01:36.00 | wpg_guardian | Hi all: Trying to get a system to work with a raid controler. Tried mkinitrd to create a new cramfs, but I get an error (kmod can't exec modprobe). Any idea? |
| 01:36.04 | guestish | cafuego: dang |
| 01:36.04 | elnovato | i live in siberia |
| 01:36.10 | guestish | cafuego: o well, so much for that |
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| 01:36.14 | caphuso | Bill-Gates, elnovato: #debian-offtopic |
| 01:36.27 | Bill-Gates | i like that |
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| 01:36.43 | guestish | cafuego: that's weird, what kernel? |
| 01:36.51 | Niriven | Ive having tons of trouble with my wireless card. The hardware is there and its wlan0 |
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| 01:37.03 | guestish | !wireless |
| 01:37.03 | dpkg | The Linux Wireless LAN resource page is at http://www.hpl.hp.com/personal/Jean_Tourrilhes/Linux |
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| 01:37.13 | Niriven | guestish: I know |
| 01:37.17 | guestish | k |
| 01:37.22 | Niriven | Ive done ifconfig wlan0 192.168.1.1 up |
| 01:37.30 | ALMAPERDIDA23 | HOLAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAA |
| 01:37.36 | findme | Niriven, also look at ndiswrapper, i know it is not linux way , but it works. |
| 01:37.37 | Niriven | but iwconfig essid "myessid" isnt setting it |
| 01:37.40 | simonrvn | oh shut up |
| 01:37.42 | mono | acpi=off in the /boot/grub/main.1st did not work. and eventho. acpi is not installed i still see the prompt apm: was override by acpi - very strange |
| 01:37.44 | guestish | !espanol |
| 01:37.44 | dpkg | Hispanohablantes: Por favor usen #debian-es, alli obtendran mas ayuda. Spanish Speakers: Please use #debian-es, there you will get much more help. |
| 01:37.48 | Niriven | findme: Thats what im using |
| 01:37.59 | ALMAPERDIDA23 | HOLAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAA |
| 01:38.07 | elnovato | kick ALMAPERDIDA23 |
| 01:38.07 | guestish | ... |
| 01:38.09 | simonrvn | what's this with the fucking shouting... |
| 01:38.12 | findme | Niriven, how far have you reached. are you able to see the ap |
| 01:38.13 | cafuego | guestish: Just fiddling with some sbp2 params |
| 01:38.13 | *** mode/#debian [+o caphuso] by ChanServ |
| 01:38.16 | guestish | cafuego: k |
| 01:38.19 | jkarns | cafuego, I get 15 MB / sec from my 1yr old Western Dig FW drive + laptop |
| 01:38.20 | simonrvn | ALMAPERDIDA23: stop shouting already |
| 01:38.21 | *** kick/#debian [ALMAPERDIDA23!foobar@pD9E562AA.dip.t-dialin.net] by caphuso ( use #debian-es) |
| 01:38.27 | guestish | jkarns: rpm? |
| 01:38.33 | cafuego | guestish: Grrm. Still no luck. |
| 01:38.40 | Niriven | findme: Nope, iwlist scan doesnt |
| 01:38.42 | guestish | cafuego: =\ |
| 01:38.45 | hippo | mono: cat /proc/cmdline |
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| 01:38.48 | WiFiTux | elnovato, you might be next. |
| 01:38.52 | Niriven | findme: the wlan0 device is present, though |
| 01:38.54 | guestish | cafuego: so exactly how hot does a laptop 7200 drive get? |
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| 01:39.12 | findme | Niriven, is your wireless broadcast on |
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| 01:39.21 | Linus-Torvalds | hi |
| 01:39.22 | WiFiTux | hahahaha |
| 01:39.24 | cafuego | guestish: Probabl;y a bit hotter then a desktop one, as there's nowhere for the heat to go. |
| 01:39.27 | WiFiTux | rotfl |
| 01:39.27 | mono | hippo, root=/dev/hda2 ro |
| 01:39.28 | skyisblue | :D |
| 01:39.34 | Niriven | findme: For the AP? |
| 01:39.35 | guestish | cafuego: yeah...l |
| 01:39.35 | Linus-Torvalds | whassup |
| 01:39.42 | findme | Niriven, yep |
| 01:39.48 | jkarns | right now it has an older 80 GB, Maxtor D540X. Don't see RPM rating on the drive though |
| 01:39.49 | Theo-De-Raadt | Linus-Torvalds: Gimme back my code, bitch |
| 01:39.51 | WiFiTux | Linus-Torvalds, ha ha! |
| 01:39.53 | hippo | mono: then somthing wront w/ you grub config |
| 01:39.55 | Niriven | findme: Everything works ok in windows, and yeah its on, it doesnt see any of the 5 aps around me |
| 01:39.55 | Linus-Torvalds | do you enjoy my system? |
| 01:39.57 | guestish | Theo-De-Raadt: lol |
| 01:40.01 | lakcaj | Man, I upgrade to a 2.6.10 kernel, and I'm still getting an "unknown error 254" in K3B trying to burn a VCD, even when I run K3B as root (I know, I know). |
| 01:40.02 | simonrvn | Theo-De-Raadt: hehehehe |
| 01:40.03 | WiFiTux | Theo-De-Raadt, you suck! |
| 01:40.14 | hippo | mono: acpi option not passed actually |
| 01:40.20 | WiFiTux | !kill Theo-De-Raadt |
| 01:40.22 | mono | hippo, maybe i positioned the acpi=off in the wrong location? |
| 01:40.23 | elnovato | why? im not the enemy, im just a peaceful drunk.. Microsoft is the evil |
| 01:40.24 | Theo-De-Raadt | WiFiTux: Your openssh license has been revoked. |
| 01:40.36 | Linus-Torvalds | what do ya say |
| 01:40.39 | Linus-Torvalds | micorsoft rox |
| 01:40.40 | caphuso | can we get back to kindergarten state like normal? |
| 01:40.47 | WiFiTux | Theo-De-Raadt, it's free, You can't. |
| 01:40.47 | cthulfuego | caphuso: yes dad |
| 01:40.52 | simonrvn | caphuso: hehe |
| 01:40.56 | Linus-Torvalds | *microsoft |
| 01:40.57 | caphuso | cthulfuego: good boy. have a cake |
| 01:41.08 | mono | hippo, i took it off because for some reason i couldn't login when i positioned the acpi=off at the top of the grub mail.1st script |
| 01:41.09 | elnovato | Linus-Torvalds: are you the real one?? linux?? |
| 01:41.13 | findme | Niriven, http://acx100.sourceforge.net/matrix.html try this as well if you want. |
| 01:41.18 | nvz | heh, I dont think the insult will help. |
| 01:41.19 | Linus-Torvalds | what do ya think |
| 01:41.19 | hippo | mono: probably, but ask a grub guru here, I will not say stupig guesses abut the syntax |
| 01:41.24 | Guardians_boss | Hey guys, my linux tech guy needs some help, who's game to help us fix a boot problem |
| 01:41.27 | simonrvn | elnovato: go have a drink |
| 01:41.32 | Linus-Torvalds | this is the official channel for debian |
| 01:41.34 | guestish | Theo-De-Raadt: meh, so basically you are saying laptop hard drives are too slow to play games on? |
| 01:41.45 | Linus-Torvalds | and this is the time i got to be here |
| 01:41.50 | Linus-Torvalds | to answer questions |
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| 01:41.59 | simonrvn | Linus-Torvalds: yeh ok. sure. |
| 01:42.09 | Linus-Torvalds | who starts? |
| 01:42.10 | cthulfuego | guestish: oh no, it just takes a while for data files to load. Flight Sim runs fine on mine... |
| 01:42.10 | Bill-Gates | Linus-Torvalds, it's a shame I'm billionaire and you are not. jua jua! |
| 01:42.14 | cthulfuego | guestish: As does SC4 |
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| 01:42.18 | guestish | cthulfuego: oh, cool |
| 01:42.27 | guestish | cthulfuego: so it isnt that big of a deal as long as there is enough ram, right? |
| 01:42.29 | elnovato | Linus-Torvalds: adopt me!! im also a chef! |
| 01:42.33 | cthulfuego | guestish: Just take care to pick one with a decent video chip. |
| 01:42.33 | Linus-Torvalds | but i spread the liberty |
| 01:42.46 | jkarns | guestish, IMO, better to go with lower RPM drive in laptop. Bigger capacity gives higher density, thus faster i/o |
| 01:42.54 | guestish | cthulfuego: will do, how good is the radeon mobile chip vs the nvidia one? |
| 01:42.55 | Guardians_boss | Debian, kernel 2.4.18-1k7, was booting off std. IDE, we mkinitrd'd a new image with radi drivers, wont boot now. Returned to backup img still wont boot |
| 01:42.58 | cthulfuego | guestish: yeah, 512MB min |
| 01:42.59 | Bill-Gates | Linus-Torvalds, right, you are like the mp3 creator, never got a penny out of it. |
| 01:43.00 | astronut | sgeigerbot: you there? |
| 01:43.07 | guestish | cthulfuego: i was thinking a gig |
| 01:43.11 | guestish | jkarns: ok |
| 01:43.15 | caphuso | Bill-Gates, Linus-Torvalds: stop. right now |
| 01:43.20 | Bill-Gates | caphuso, buuu |
| 01:43.21 | jkarns | I'm running a 4200 RPM, 80 GB, and get ~25 MB / sec |
| 01:43.26 | cthulfuego | guestish: Dunno about current ones. My Radeon U1 played Call of Duty just fine at 1024x768 |
| 01:43.34 | Guardians_boss | 5400 16mb cache laptop drives work well arre quiet and cool |
| 01:43.35 | cthulfuego | guestish: BUT that was windows |
| 01:43.37 | Linus-Torvalds | but you bill,got the pc world against you |
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| 01:43.48 | Guardians_boss | toshiba makes an affordable 16mb cache drive, though the WD is faster but hotter |
| 01:43.50 | guestish | cthulfuego: well im not gonna play games in windows, thats for sure |
| 01:43.51 | skyisblue | ~~~~~~~~~~~~~:} |
| 01:43.54 | WiFiTux | Linus-Torvalds, cut it. And not true. |
| 01:43.56 | guestish | cthulfuego: er, in linux |
| 01:43.58 | hippo | can somebody help mono on how to append to the kernel command line w/ grub (I don't have the man page here) |
| 01:43.59 | guestish | cthulfuego: i will play in windows |
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| 01:44.03 | cthulfuego | guestish: Then you'll want an nvidia one. |
| 01:44.07 | astronut | anyone use grip? |
| 01:44.07 | Guardians_boss | anyone wanna take a stab at our boot problems? |
| 01:44.09 | guestish | cthulfuego: winex slows the game down too much |
| 01:44.22 | Linus-Torvalds | time over |
| 01:44.25 | cthulfuego | guestish: Ah. Well, if you want 3D in windows, I believe ATI is the better choice. |
| 01:44.30 | guestish | cthulfuego: why? |
| 01:44.31 | Linus-Torvalds | see ya next time |
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| 01:44.39 | jkarns | guestish, heat is everything in a 'top. Nice to have s/w control over fans / CPU temp readings. |
| 01:44.40 | cthulfuego | guestish: Better performance/quality. |
| 01:44.42 | Linus-Torvalds | maybe next year |
| 01:44.47 | elnovato | Linus-Torvalds: take meeeee |
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| 01:45.13 | guestish | jkarns: there any point in not getting a AMD64 and getting a pentium or amd mobile chip instead? |
| 01:45.22 | cthulfuego | !ops caphuso banned Linus! |
| 01:45.23 | dpkg | Hydroxide, bob2, caphuso, dondelelcaro, doogie, eeyore-, ElectricElf, greycat, helix, ljlane, LoRez, mentor, Netsnipe, TML, walters, xk: caphuso banned Linus! |
| 01:45.40 | kiilo | . |
| 01:45.40 | guestish | they are gonna be pissed, lol |
| 01:45.40 | *** mode/#debian [-o caphuso] by caphuso |
| 01:45.44 | jkarns | guestish, don't know much about AMD64 heat characteristics |
| 01:45.45 | cthulfuego | guestish: Oooh! Mobile AMD64! |
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| 01:45.51 | nvz | cthulfuego: behave |
| 01:45.52 | guestish | cthulfuego: yeah...they are out |
| 01:46.09 | jkarns | guestish, .. but between a P4 and mobile, go for the mobile |
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| 01:46.10 | guestish | cthulfuego: bigger laptops though |
| 01:46.21 | sybox | hello everyone |
| 01:46.28 | WiFiTux | jkarns, better the iBook G5 |
| 01:46.30 | cthulfuego | jkarns: I have one on my desktop, they have cool-n-quiet thingie... makes the fan stop when it's not needed (which is pretty much all the time on my box) |
| 01:46.34 | sybox | newbie here tryin' to install Nvidia's drivers |
| 01:46.43 | Niriven | findme: No luck |
| 01:46.48 | sybox | they say i have to kill X and change the runlevel |
| 01:46.49 | jkarns | guestish, Someone told me that the mobile branched off the P3, not the P4. (Cooler) |
| 01:46.53 | sybox | help pls |
| 01:46.57 | astronut | screw grip..what's another cd rip program |
| 01:46.57 | astronut | ? |
| 01:46.59 | guestish | jkarns: right... |
| 01:47.00 | cthulfuego | Between a P4 and an AMD64, go the AMD64. |
| 01:47.03 | Niriven | findme: Im not getting any dchp offers. Iwconfig doesnt set my ssid either |
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| 01:47.06 | guestish | jkarns: i want amd64 though :) |
| 01:47.09 | skyisblue | sybox: /msg dpkg mepis |
| 01:47.18 | bucky | astronut, k3b |
| 01:47.19 | cthulfuego | guestish: Also check for builtin WiFi and get one that works with open drivers. |
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| 01:47.28 | astronut | bucky: RIP |
| 01:47.29 | astronut | not burn |
| 01:47.34 | jkarns | WiFiTux, iBook is Motorola / Mac, though, right? |
| 01:47.58 | bucky | screw rip |
| 01:48.00 | WiFiTux | !tell jkarns about g5 |
| 01:48.01 | cthulfuego | jkarns: IBM |
| 01:48.02 | guestish | jkarns: There are also two versions of the mobile Athlon 64 - the 3200+ and 3000+ models (priced at $417 and $278, respectively) which due to their high heat emission (about 80W) could be used merely in "desktop replacement" notebooks. |
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| 01:48.07 | guestish | jkarns: direct quote |
| 01:48.08 | mono | hippo, when i tried to run apmd --version i got the msg No APM support in kernel. where do i add apmd in modconf? |
| 01:48.09 | sybox | skyisblue i already run debian sarge |
| 01:48.16 | guestish | jkarns: i dunno what that kind of heat emission means |
| 01:48.18 | sybox | why should i go to that? |
| 01:48.21 | astronut | bucky: i want to put my cd's on my mp3player |
| 01:48.25 | astronut | anyway |
| 01:48.31 | astronut | anyone recomend a good CD ripper? |
| 01:48.32 | guestish | cthulfuego: true true..cant forget that |
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| 01:48.37 | Guerin | mono: it's not built into debian kernels by default |
| 01:48.40 | guestish | astronut: grip |
| 01:48.45 | Guerin | astronut: cdparanoia |
| 01:48.47 | guestish | cthulfuego: though i suppose i could always get a pc card |
| 01:48.47 | astronut | guestish: ughh |
| 01:48.50 | astronut | was just using grip |
| 01:48.52 | jkarns | guestish, well, I'd do a good bit of googling on the heat performance |
| 01:48.53 | guestish | astronut: well they all use cdparanoia |
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| 01:48.56 | astronut | and had too mayn problems |
| 01:49.02 | astronut | it wouldn't use my 2nd cd drive |
| 01:49.06 | astronut | had to move disks to the first |
| 01:49.11 | astronut | and it slowed down to a stop at the end |
| 01:49.13 | astronut | and didn't work properly |
| 01:49.16 | hippo | mono: I guess you do not need that, it simply cannot load when acpi active in the kernel, try 'modprobe apm' |
| 01:49.23 | mono | Guerin, i have added it before. it worked. now, after the apt-get upgrade it doesn't work for some reason |
| 01:49.25 | Guerin | astronut: sounds like bad media/drives to me |
| 01:49.28 | sybox | how to i go through KDE boot file and change it so that it doesn't boot X |
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| 01:49.31 | astronut | and it was really quiet |
| 01:49.34 | simonrvn | Tronic: later |
| 01:49.41 | simonrvn | Tronic: sorry |
| 01:49.52 | jkarns | guestish, these 'tops get hot enough to cook your hd, unless you watch it. |
| 01:49.53 | Guerin | mono: grep APM /boot/config-`uname -r` |
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| 01:50.01 | guestish | jkarns: o_O |
| 01:50.06 | guestish | jkarns: scary |
| 01:50.07 | Rage_ | sybox remove kdm from your startup files |
| 01:50.13 | Guerin | sybox: kde doesn't work without X |
| 01:50.17 | mono | hippo, FATAL: Error inserting apm (/lib/modules/2.6.8-1-386/kernel/arch/i386/kernel/apm.ko): No such device |
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| 01:50.22 | Guerin | !tell sybox about nodm |
| 01:50.27 | guestish | jkarns: oy, so many things to think about when getting a laptop... |
| 01:50.35 | guestish | jkarns: all i wanted was some level of mobility =\ |
| 01:50.48 | astronut | hm |
| 01:50.48 | Guerin | mono: ok, so your box (apparently) doesn't support apm |
| 01:50.53 | astronut | sound juicer looks a lot better |
| 01:50.53 | skyisblue | sybox: Rage_ is right |
| 01:50.59 | guestish | astronut: as i said, its all cdparanoia |
| 01:51.16 | sybox | ok i'll do that...hope i won't mess everything |
| 01:51.21 | jkarns | guestish, thing is, they tend to design them for max batt life, and sacrifice the temp for the fans not eating the batt. |
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| 01:51.27 | hippo | mono: I still guess it will work if you can apply the acpi=off |
| 01:51.31 | guestish | jkarns: couldnt i underclock it? |
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| 01:51.43 | mono | hippo, i think so as well. |
| 01:51.45 | astronut | guestish: front end is better |
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| 01:51.52 | astronut | except it says i don't have the mp3 encoder |
| 01:51.55 | astronut | what encoder do i need? |
| 01:51.57 | guestish | astronut: heh, well then you need lame |
| 01:51.58 | mono | hippo, but where do i define it in the grub conf? |
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| 01:52.05 | Guerin | astronut: /msg dpkg lame |
| 01:52.06 | guestish | !tell astronut about lame |
| 01:52.10 | astronut | i have lame |
| 01:52.14 | Crell42 | Has anyone here setup courier-mta and courier-imap? The debian versions are, of course, somewhat different from the default paths and such in the courier docs, so I'm having a hard time translating. |
| 01:52.15 | astronut | but it apparently doesn't use lame |
| 01:52.16 | guestish | that or the library |
| 01:52.16 | jkarns | guestish, maybe by controlling the proc speed via a driver. |
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| 01:52.23 | dstevens | Just reinstalled my sonyz1 laptop with ubuntu.debian so pleased to be back with debian, was away playing with fedora1,2,3 did not enjoy that to much. |
| 01:52.25 | guestish | jkarns: the kernel can do software cpu scaling |
| 01:52.26 | glick | hi all i think found a bug in kde |
| 01:52.46 | jkarns | guestish, yeah, that would prolly help |
| 01:52.51 | guestish | jkarns: i'd only need full speed for games...though even then i wouldnt want it to overheat... |
| 01:52.51 | glick | im on a laptop and when i pulled the plug out it said that battery was out and it shut down back into the login screen |
| 01:52.59 | hippo | mono: dunno and do not have a manpage here |
| 01:53.04 | glick | when i logged back in the batery status was fine |
| 01:53.09 | glick | and it works fine now |
| 01:53.11 | guestish | jkarns: i guess when i look for a laptop i'll have to look for one with decent airflow |
| 01:53.12 | dnyde | i'm using fluxbox and am looking for a way to set the root image to a jpeg. bsetroot doesn't quite cut it... suggestions anyone? |
| 01:53.23 | guestish | jkarns: an 8-10 lbs instead of a 5 lbs one |
| 01:53.26 | simonrvn | dnyde: xsetbg |
| 01:53.29 | astronut | hmm |
| 01:53.35 | guestish | jkarns: i think you can change the voltage |
| 01:53.39 | Guerin | guestish: just get a desktop |
| 01:53.42 | guestish | Guerin: heh |
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| 01:53.50 | guestish | Guerin: so bulky... |
| 01:53.51 | jkarns | guestish, and maybe one with dual fans |
| 01:53.56 | Guerin | hell, I think even my desktop weighs about that |
| 01:54.07 | dnyde | simonrvn: thanks |
| 01:54.10 | DaCa | dnyde: qiv -z # its also a nice imageviewer :) |
| 01:54.11 | guestish | well they do call them desktop replacements... |
| 01:54.14 | glick | anyone else experience that |
| 01:54.17 | glick | ? |
| 01:54.30 | mwolff | I see my sound card listed in lspci, and when I ran modconf I see the snd-au8830 is currently installed on my system, When I try to up the ovlume in the task tray(next to the date ) It resets itself to zero. What's that mean? What do I do next? |
| 01:54.32 | Guerin | glick: not a software issue |
| 01:54.38 | dnyde | simonrvn: where might i find that? |
| 01:54.40 | jkarns | guestish, I switched to a 'top as a desktop replacement about 2 yrs ago |
| 01:54.41 | Vamp|Man| | i installed a few deb packages from a 'differnet' source, and now I can only get root to login, and not any users |
| 01:54.42 | dnyde | xsetroot exists |
| 01:54.43 | glick | what do you mean its not a software issue? |
| 01:54.49 | guestish | jkarns: and? |
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| 01:54.55 | glick | it didnt happen in 3.2 |
| 01:54.57 | Guerin | mwolff: you have some OSS modules loaded; unload them. |
| 01:55.03 | Guerin | glick: in 3.2 what? |
| 01:55.15 | glick | ;lkde |
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| 01:55.18 | elnovato | ok im drunk.. out... |
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| 01:55.29 | jkarns | guestish, .. and when I'm plugged in, I turn the fans on low, to keep the CPU temp below the hd max rated temp |
| 01:55.31 | Guerin | glick: kde has exactly ) to do with your battery. |
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| 01:55.36 | Vamp|Man| | anyone got any ideas? |
| 01:55.39 | Guerin | s/\)/0/ |
| 01:55.43 | npx | Yo, anyone know where I might find a replacement VGA cable for an nec multisync 95? |
| 01:55.50 | glick | Guerin, yeah i know |
| 01:55.55 | raven | hi, is there a way to select which kernel version to use on the netinstall CDs, or is there only 1 kernel that comes with them. Them problem I'm having is that the SATA driver doesn't load properly, and I've read that kernel 2.6.9 supposed to work, but the netinstal uses 2.4.27 |
| 01:55.56 | Guerin | ... |
| 01:55.58 | npx | Guerin god you're my hero |
| 01:56.07 | npx | you properly escape ) in an irc convo |
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| 01:56.16 | guestish | jkarns: you mean high |
| 01:56.18 | Guerin | raven: read the fucking help pages on the install boot screen |
| 01:56.21 | dnyde | npx: local computer supply store? monitor cables are monitor cables, last i checked |
| 01:56.30 | Guerin | npx: it's hardcoded into my brain |
| 01:56.32 | npx | It's built into the monitor |
| 01:56.33 | Vamp|Man| | i installed a few deb packages from a 'differnet' source, and now I can only get root to login, and not any users |
| 01:56.37 | guestish | jkarns: you turn up the fans |
| 01:56.39 | Vamp|Man| | anyone got any ideas? |
| 01:56.54 | raven | guerin: thanks. :) |
| 01:56.56 | Guerin | Vamp|Man|: sucks to be you. |
| 01:56.57 | dnyde | npx: add a soldering gun to the list :P |
| 01:56.59 | DaCa | raven: are you using d-i? did you try linux26 or expert26 at the isolinux prompt? |
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| 01:57.15 | jkarns | guestish, no, having the fans on low keeps the temp well below the hd rated max temp |
| 01:57.15 | Vamp|Man| | Guerin - thanks for the opinion |
| 01:57.23 | guestish | jkarns: oh |
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| 01:57.30 | raven | daca: i'm downloading right now the d-i sid, that installs sarge. I'm hoping that will work better, cuze the rc2 doesn't. |
| 01:57.39 | Guerin | Vamp|Man|: remove them with dpkg -P --force-depends foo bar && apt-get clean && apt-get -f install; |
| 01:57.42 | npx | I was hoping it wouldn't come to that. See, the damn wire got crimped somehow when I had it shipped here, right between some resistor/capacitor/wtfever thing and the VGA out, it's like 1/4" (a real pain in the testes to splice/solder) |
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| 01:57.45 | karsten | pipeline: You around to help with some WINE stuff? |
| 01:57.53 | TattooNinja | hello all |
| 01:58.01 | karsten | pipeline: MSIE 6 SP 1 via sidenet failed. |
| 01:58.06 | jkarns | guestish, then I use gkrellm+plugin+kernel module to monitor temp |
| 01:58.08 | TattooNinja | hit 333 if you use lynx as a browser |
| 01:58.13 | guestish | jkarns: ah, nice |
| 01:58.14 | karsten | pipeline: Log at http://linuxmafia.com/~karsten/MSIE6-SP1-setup.log.bz2 |
| 01:58.21 | dnyde | npx: best of luck to ya |
| 01:58.27 | npx | thanks, I'll need it |
| 01:58.42 | TattooNinja | <b>test</b> |
| 01:58.42 | npx | I mean I bought another monitor in the interim, but I *really* liked that one |
| 01:58.50 | pipeline | karsten: hmm |
| 01:58.59 | npx | I've yet to see a CRT or LCD that looks as good as it does |
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| 01:59.06 | Guerin | TattooNinja: irc is not html |
| 01:59.10 | karsten | pipeline: I'm in #WineHQ. |
| 01:59.15 | TattooNinja | i know that now |
| 01:59.19 | jkarns | guestish, IMO people are blaming hd mfr's for problems that R raelly caused by heat |
| 01:59.20 | guestish | npx: as what does? |
| 01:59.26 | npx | an old NEC multisync 95 |
| 01:59.29 | pipeline | karsten: The requested URL /~karsten/MSIE6-SP1-setup.log.bz2 was not found on this server. |
| 01:59.51 | mwolff | Guerin: Unload the oss modules with modconf? I take it? (Pretty new at hardware with linux) |
| 01:59.53 | guestish | npx: i like mine |
| 02:00.04 | npx | rock on, we're monitor brothers |
| 02:00.05 | Guerin | mwolff: yeah. Easier to do it just with rmmod |
| 02:00.11 | guestish | npx: its a viewsonic |
| 02:00.12 | guestish | npx: :) |
| 02:00.17 | dnyde | npx: see also: piss pals? |
| 02:00.21 | TattooNinja | Does anyone use Lynx here? |
| 02:00.22 | npx | =D |
| 02:00.26 | guestish | VS10162 |
| 02:00.30 | Guerin | mwolff: lsmod |grep snd; look for modules which DON'T start with snd- |
| 02:00.30 | npx | I use it when I've horribly broken X |
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| 02:00.37 | TattooNinja | lol |
| 02:00.37 | karsten | pipeline: http://linuxmafia.com/~karsten/Download/MSIE6-SP1-setup.log.bz2 My bad. |
| 02:00.39 | npx | actually, wait, no, I use links |
| 02:00.44 | npx | lynx is for old koreans |
| 02:00.54 | TattooNinja | no doubt |
| 02:00.58 | caphuso | !tell TattooNinja -about ask |
| 02:00.58 | guestish | heh... |
| 02:01.00 | dnyde | lynx pwnz |
| 02:01.02 | DaCa | TattooNinja: lynx has been replaced with w3m in sarge's base system |
| 02:01.20 | npx | w3m is the vi of text-based browsers |
| 02:01.35 | npx | it's apparently all-powerful, but I'll be damned if I can figure out how to use it |
| 02:01.38 | guestish | yeah, annoyingly hard to use |
| 02:01.47 | skyisblue | TattooNinja: elinks also good. |
| 02:01.47 | nvz | npx: yep |
| 02:01.48 | guestish | heh... |
| 02:01.57 | dnyde | npx, seems like w3m is encroaching on emac's space actually... has image support now and next week they're getting the sink installed |
| 02:02.06 | npx | hahaha nice |
| 02:02.11 | npx | they should just integrate the two |
| 02:02.13 | TattooNinja | im trying to convince my buddy here that Lynx is Out of Date |
| 02:02.16 | dnyde | agreed |
| 02:02.45 | caphuso | the lynx package in sid from 2005-01-05 |
| 02:02.47 | dnyde | TattooNinja: it is. infact, all text browsers are beyond hope in today's land of modern computing |
| 02:02.48 | DaCa | npx: press uppercase H ? |
| 02:02.53 | Guerin | lynx works fine if all you want is text |
| 02:03.05 | caphuso | Out of Date for almost two weeks! |
| 02:03.09 | Guerin | and w3m's image handling is appalling |
| 02:03.14 | dnyde | i'm on a p-200 at the moment. text browsing is something i'm getting used to |
| 02:03.20 | npx | how could it be anything *but* appalling? |
| 02:03.23 | Guerin | dnyde: why? |
| 02:03.27 | mwilson | The great thing about text-only browsers is that they ignore all the idiocy that so-called "designers" try to force down your throat. |
| 02:03.31 | skyisblue | elinks supports javascript through spidermonkey. |
| 02:03.50 | TattooNinja | Honestly im happier so far with Konqueror than Firefox |
| 02:04.00 | npx | shhh tattooninja |
| 02:04.06 | mwilson | And links2 supports javascript internally, although you can fortunately turn it off. |
| 02:04.07 | dnyde | Guerin: my girlfriend stole my p2-400. not much of a difference though. |
| 02:04.31 | skyisblue | mwilson: i had used both |
| 02:04.31 | dnyde | although i'd kill for my dual 17" right about now though |
| 02:04.40 | npx | mwilson my sister was bragging about how she put some javascript on her site to "prevent image theft" |
| 02:04.44 | Crell42 | Has anyone here setup courier-mta and courier-imap? The debian versions are, of course, somewhat different from the default paths and such in the courier docs, so I'm having a hard time translating. |
| 02:04.44 | npx | I nearly shat myself laughing |
| 02:04.53 | caphuso | npx: hehehe |
| 02:05.02 | simonrvn | !anyone use |
| 02:05.02 | dpkg | No, no one uses it, not even the people who use it. |
| 02:05.03 | astronut | is there a lame support channel? |
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| 02:05.06 | Guerin | dnyde: no, I mean: why text browsing? |
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| 02:05.13 | caphuso | astronut: #debian can be very lame... |
| 02:05.18 | Guerin | astronut: why would there be? There's no trick to it. |
| 02:05.19 | archpollux | hi |
| 02:05.24 | astronut | caphuso: ha |
| 02:05.26 | dnyde | Guerin: looks better than dillo half the time. |
| 02:05.28 | astronut | Guerin: kk |
| 02:05.32 | npx | astronut #gentoo ? |
| 02:05.35 | astronut | what's the syntax? |
| 02:05.35 | archpollux | is lirc-modules-source supposed not to work with 2.6 kernels? |
| 02:05.36 | TattooNinja | lol |
| 02:05.38 | astronut | npx: heh |
| 02:05.44 | Guerin | astronut: lame --help; man lame |
| 02:05.48 | mathieu_ | is there a tool to store audio streams? mplayer requires video... i tried -novideo but stills says "video mandatory" |
| 02:05.49 | Guerin | astronut: of course |
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| 02:06.06 | dnyde | astronut: lame --r3mix source.wav |
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| 02:06.15 | astronut | r3mix? |
| 02:06.19 | Crell42 | simonrvn: Nice. If I knew a more specific question to ask, I would, but since I can't find any decent documentation to start from I don't know what more specific question to ask. |
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| 02:06.29 | astronut | that's not in the help |
| 02:06.32 | dnyde | astronut: sets some very nice compression settings |
| 02:06.38 | dnyde | it's undocumented but fully supported |
| 02:06.43 | dnyde | make VERY good sounding mp3s |
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| 02:06.56 | Guerin | dnyde: what settings? |
| 02:06.58 | npx | I like to use some front-end for CD ripping |
| 02:07.00 | astronut | dnyde: you pulling my leg? |
| 02:07.09 | astronut | what's a good bitrate? 256? |
| 02:07.11 | dnyde | Guerin: too many to list... r3mix.org IIRC |
| 02:07.13 | pipeline | dnyde, astronut: --r3mix is a load of shit. |
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| 02:07.21 | astronut | and is there a way to do a whole dir? |
| 02:07.21 | Guerin | astronut: use --preset extreme |
| 02:07.29 | dnyde | pipeline: agreed. ogg -q 4.99 |
| 02:07.30 | npx | astronut I think 196 is a good compromise |
| 02:07.32 | Guerin | astronut: fuck, are you stupid or what? |
| 02:07.33 | dnyde | oggenc |
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| 02:07.39 | pipeline | dnyde, astronut: Seriously, don't use --r3mix. The r3mix.org guy doesn't know what he's talking about. --alt-preset standard or --alt-preset extreme is what you want. |
| 02:07.51 | astronut | my hearing isn't that good |
| 02:07.54 | pipeline | dnyde, astronut: hydrogen audio dot org 4 lyfe |
| 02:08.01 | npx | You probably won't mind 160kbps then |
| 02:08.04 | Guerin | astronut: for file in *.wav ; do lame -h --preset extreme $file; done |
| 02:08.14 | astronut | Guerin: i don't know bash |
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| 02:08.17 | pipeline | astronut: r3mix was a website owned by one of the first guys to consider LAME a high quality encoder a few years ago. |
| 02:08.18 | astronut | thanks thoguh |
| 02:08.24 | dnyde | pipeline: ogg is the way to go |
| 02:08.24 | astronut | pipeline: ah |
| 02:08.29 | dnyde | mmm.. rape |
| 02:08.30 | dnyde | brb |
| 02:08.35 | astronut | my player doesn't support ogg |
| 02:08.38 | caphuso | ... "$file", ... |
| 02:08.51 | mwolff | Guerin: when I lsmod | grep snd the only ones that don't start with snd are soundcore and gameport and those don't seem like ones I want to rm. |
| 02:08.56 | vilefile | what is the best irc network and channel for windows ? |
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| 02:08.57 | astronut | my hearing's not that good i'll go w/ standard |
| 02:09.03 | Guerin | caphuso: oh yeah, all my filenames are sanitised before I process them |
| 02:09.04 | dancek | astronut: wtf? what player is that? |
| 02:09.10 | pipeline | astronut: Short version: for lame, just do --preset standard or --preset extreme. They don't vary much by filesize anyway. |
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| 02:09.29 | mwolff | Guerin: There are ones that have oss listed in them, such as snd_pcm_oss, though. |
| 02:09.30 | caphuso | Guerin: but someone not knowing bash has probably not done that :) |
| 02:09.32 | astronut | dancek: mp3 cd player |
| 02:09.36 | astronut | memorax |
| 02:09.40 | astronut | a couple years old |
| 02:09.44 | astronut | fairly cheap |
| 02:09.45 | astronut | was a gift |
| 02:09.47 | dancek | astronut: ok, then... i was thinking software |
| 02:09.47 | Guerin | caphuso: indeed :) |
| 02:09.52 | astronut | dancek: lol |
| 02:09.55 | astronut | ah |
| 02:09.58 | astronut | naw |
| 02:10.00 | astronut | i use xmms of course |
| 02:10.03 | caphuso | ogg cd players are rather seldom and quite expensive :-/ |
| 02:10.03 | astronut | who doesn't? |
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| 02:10.18 | cybercobra | which IO scheduler should I use for a desktop system? |
| 02:10.32 | dancek | actually a lot of people don't use xmms :) |
| 02:10.40 | caphuso | cybercobra: depends on your workload. try all for a while and choose then |
| 02:10.45 | astronut | dancek: i was kidding |
| 02:10.47 | mwilson | All sorts of people don't use xmms. |
| 02:10.49 | Guerin | mwolff: I don't know about gameport; but if there aren't any other loaded, I'm not sure what it could be. Try removing them. |
| 02:10.52 | Guerin | err |
| 02:10.54 | astronut | i really ought to learn the bash loop syntax |
| 02:10.55 | astronut | etc |
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| 02:11.01 | Guerin | mwolff: try removing IT anyway - gameport. |
| 02:11.05 | astronut | anyone know a good tutorial (DON'T SAY MAN BASH) |
| 02:11.08 | caphuso | astronut: tldp.org has some bash intro stuff |
| 02:11.10 | Guerin | astronut: you just did ^^ |
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| 02:11.27 | astronut | hmm |
| 02:11.32 | benjamindees | astronut, advanced bash scripting guide |
| 02:11.41 | astronut | anyway to do an cddb lookup on an mp3? |
| 02:11.58 | rob0 | man bash is a great reference but a lousy tutorial, yes, like benjamindees said, ABS ... good stuff |
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| 02:12.06 | dancek | astronut: afaik no |
| 02:12.08 | astronut | the thing did it on the cd, but didn't support lame as output, cd is grayed out, so i did to wave |
| 02:12.26 | DaCa | astronut: you need the cd's toc checksum to do a cddb lookup |
| 02:12.41 | rob0 | astronut: once you know bash pretty well you will be in "man bash" a lot. |
| 02:12.51 | Crell42 | Can anyone recommend a tutorial on setting up courier under Debian? (not courier/exim, courier/courier.) |
| 02:13.13 | Guerin | Crell42: /usr/share/doc/courier*/* |
| 02:13.20 | mwolff | Guerin: Ick, tried to remove but, errored out ERROR: Module gameport is in use by snd_au8830 |
| 02:13.30 | hacim | what usb module do I need to load to get an USB iomega CDRW to be recognized? |
| 02:13.32 | Crell42 | Guerin: I've been reading the docs on the courier site, but they're of little help. |
| 02:13.33 | Guerin | mwolff: ok, it's clearly needed by alsa then. |
| 02:14.08 | Guerin | Crell42: debian packages have sane defaults and interact sanelty. Read the README.Debian files, etc. |
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| 02:14.47 | Crell42 | I just read the one for courier-mta, it said nothing of use. |
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| 02:15.43 | rob0 | Crell42: you might have to wait awhile, but #courier has some folks who can help. |
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| 02:16.07 | Crell42 | rob0: I've been in #courier all night. :-) Everyone there who is awake is a Gentoo person. |
| 02:16.37 | rob0 | Crell42: but what is the problem? Is it distro-specific? |
| 02:16.42 | abrotman | !courier |
| 02:16.43 | dpkg | from memory, courier is a MailServer Suite thats imap and pop is crap and should use dovecot instead |
| 02:16.45 | abrotman | bah |
| 02:16.48 | Guerin | Crell42: does this tell you something about courier-mta? |
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| 02:17.04 | abrotman | Crell42: what do you mean 'setup' ? |
| 02:17.17 | Crell42 | Guerin: Yes. That support for it is just as well documented as the other IMAP systems I've been trying. :-) |
| 02:17.26 | Guerin | dpkg, no courier is an mta, a pop3 and an imap server, all of which are pretty good. |
| 02:17.27 | dpkg | Guerin: okay |
| 02:17.27 | rob0 | abrotman: I guess Pokey was too slow. |
| 02:17.34 | abrotman | i guess |
| 02:17.55 | Guerin | Crell42: courier-imap is easy to set up - with postfix, at least. |
| 02:18.01 | Crell42 | rob0: The problem is that the courier-mta.org docs are assuming I compiled everything from vanilla source, which I didn't. Various files are in different places, of course, under Debian. |
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| 02:18.20 | Guerin | Crell42: which is why you use dpkg -L to find them |
| 02:18.27 | rob0 | well mainly /usr vs. /usr/local I suppose |
| 02:18.34 | Guerin | Crell42: and remember that all debian's config files live in /etc |
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| 02:18.37 | nullvoid | hi all |
| 02:18.38 | abrotman | Crell42: how about you tell us what you're actually trying to do? |
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| 02:19.04 | abrotman | and don't say "configure it" |
| 02:19.18 | nullvoid | hi all |
| 02:19.19 | abrotman | holy shit . i finalyl saw lilo quit |
| 02:19.57 | Crell42 | Intended goal: Private mail server running some MTA that works and some IMAP server that works. I've been trying various servers for the past 2 weeks on and off, and have yet to get anything working decently. (User error? Probably in part, but lack of decent docs doesn't help.) |
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| 02:20.24 | abrotman | Crell42: the easiest setup i've done is postfix and courier(pop3/imap) |
| 02:20.29 | rob0 | maybe exim and dovecot |
| 02:20.56 | Crell42 | With Courier, I've gotten as far as installing via apt-get. For setup I tried using courier-webadmin, but for some reason it won't let me log in. It just returns me to the original login page. (I'm using lynx, since it's a headless box with no X.) |
| 02:21.04 | rob0 | I am into Postfix myself, but exim is well documented. (So's Postfix, for that matter.) |
| 02:21.38 | Crell42 | rob0: It seemed it, yes, of the MTAs. But I figured (perhaps stupidly) that courier-imap and courier-mta would work well together. |
| 02:21.50 | abrotman | Crell42: if you set Postfix to use maildir .. all should be kosher |
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| 02:21.59 | Guerin | Crell42: read your mta logs |
| 02:22.18 | Guerin | Crell42: they do; you might just need to configure them. |
| 02:22.23 | Crell42 | Guerin: And look for what? |
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| 02:22.38 | Guerin | Crell42: a reason why it didn't work. |
| 02:22.41 | Crell42 | Guerin: Yes, configure them. If I could figure out how, I wouldn't be in here asking about it. :-) |
| 02:22.42 | dnyde | how do i get a help page from debhelper? |
| 02:22.47 | Guerin | Crell42: or a lack of a reason. |
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| 02:22.56 | Crell42 | Wouldn't that be a web log thing? |
| 02:23.03 | abrotman | oh .. this is an RTFM question :) |
| 02:23.05 | Guerin | dnyde: you don't |
| 02:23.12 | dnyde | there goes that great idea |
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| 02:23.38 | evilmegaman | so Which netinstall cd is best? |
| 02:23.48 | evilmegaman | for warty? |
| 02:23.52 | abrotman | Crell42: http://www.google.com/search?hl=en&q=courier+postfix+debian&btnG=Google+Search |
| 02:23.54 | Crell42 | abrotman: No, it's an I RTFMed, and I'm still no better off than I was before. |
| 02:23.58 | abrotman | evilmegaman: wrong distro |
| 02:24.03 | abrotman | wrong channel |
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| 02:24.06 | evilmegaman | woops |
| 02:24.07 | nullvoid | heh |
| 02:24.17 | evilmegaman | I mean Woody*** |
| 02:24.20 | abrotman | !tell evilmegaman about d-i |
| 02:24.24 | abrotman | evilmegaman: for a server or workstation? |
| 02:24.29 | abrotman | and broadband or not? |
| 02:24.32 | rob0 | good recovery, evilmegaman :) |
| 02:24.39 | evilmegaman | :D |
| 02:24.43 | rob0 | even 2 of the letters are the same ;) |
| 02:24.52 | evilmegaman | lol |
| 02:24.58 | evilmegaman | broadband |
| 02:25.05 | abrotman | workstation or server? |
| 02:25.12 | evilmegaman | workstation |
| 02:25.29 | abrotman | !d-i |
| 02:25.29 | dpkg | d-i is probably the new installer for sarge (debian 3.1), at http://www.debian.org/devel/debian-installer/ or see #debian-boot, but don't pester the d-i devs with unrelated questions, or see <debian-installer> |
| 02:25.30 | abrotman | use that |
| 02:25.35 | mwolff | Guerin: When I try to change the volume by using the actual Volume Control program in the Gnome menu instead of the little speaker icon in the tray, I get the error "Sorry, no mixer elements and/or devices found" I'm googling around with that error, but does that spark any ideas for you? |
| 02:25.58 | evilmegaman | Oh. Is that the same as woody? |
| 02:26.04 | jdhutchin1 | mwolff, make sure your user is part of the audio group / can read/write /dev/mixer |
| 02:26.18 | Crell42 | abrotman: So you suggest not using courier-mta? |
| 02:26.27 | nostalg1c | is anyone here using qmail+vpopmail(mysql)+courier-*+vchkpw ? i'm trying to get it to work but i'm having a real hard time doing so :/ |
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| 02:26.51 | abrotman | Crell42: i've never used it .. i prefer postfix .. it's well documented .. and quite a damn good MTA |
| 02:26.57 | Guerin | mwolff: what does alsamixer say from the cli? |
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| 02:27.24 | Guerin | nostalg1c: qmailrocks.org; or use a real mta |
| 02:27.32 | abrotman | Crell42: after using sendmail,qmail,postfix,exchange ... postfix wins |
| 02:27.51 | skyisblue | abrotman: do you use mta and desktop on same machine? |
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| 02:28.09 | nostalg1c | Guerin, actually, i'm thinking qmail is not the problem.. vpopmail is not adding any entries to it's mysql table, even though i told it to use mysql as backend in vpopmail.conf |
| 02:28.15 | rob0 | courier-mta might be decent, but it's not as widespread as the others. |
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| 02:28.29 | abrotman | skyisblue: hell no .. do i look like an idiot .. yes .. exim runs .. but i would never ever *ever* run a true mta on my desktop |
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| 02:28.41 | mwolff | Guerin:, ha, well alsamixer doesn't exist or something. command not found, which alsamixer finds nothing. |
| 02:28.41 | hooded | could someone walk me through on how to set up my back button on a Logitech wireless mouse? |
| 02:28.41 | skyisblue | ok |
| 02:28.43 | Guerin | nostalg1c: when I set it up, I didn't use the sql. |
| 02:28.49 | mwolff | jdhutchin1: User is part of the audio group |
| 02:28.50 | Guerin | !installit |
| 02:28.50 | dpkg | *** NEWS FLASH! Your box does not come with every app, tool and utility known to debiankind installed already. If you find that the program you've been told to use isn't there, install it. Also ask me about <search>. |
| 02:29.01 | Crell42 | abrotman: postfix+courier-imap would allow for all mail to be stored in /home, virtual accounts, and remote access via ESMTP (to send mail from a laptop or handheld anywhere)? |
| 02:29.04 | abrotman | he has a back button? |
| 02:29.06 | Guerin | mwolff: ↑ |
| 02:29.13 | nostalg1c | Guerin, i used to run that combo on bsd, which is kinda why i'm trying to install it :/ |
| 02:29.14 | hooded | abrotman: what? |
| 02:29.20 | Guerin | Crell42: hell yeah |
| 02:29.32 | abrotman | creichen: you would need pop-before-smtp i think .. |
| 02:29.40 | abrotman | i guess esmtp wold work |
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| 02:29.48 | Guerin | or smtp auth via sasl - which is an evil bastard |
| 02:29.50 | rob0 | esmtp is not auth! |
| 02:30.08 | rob0 | SMTP Auth with courier-imap is a great choice IMO |
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| 02:30.15 | Crell42 | Whichever is needed to allow me@mydomain.com to send mail from anywhere, but not allow spammers to do so. :-) |
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| 02:30.26 | abrotman | that's called .. not an open relay |
| 02:30.28 | Guerin | Crell42: I recommend http://high5.net/howto and http://workaround.org/articles/ispmail[-sarge] |
| 02:30.37 | Crell42 | Reading the second now. |
| 02:30.41 | abrotman | Crell42: if you use pop before smtp .. you could use your home server from anywhere |
| 02:30.42 | Pakal | in "rescue root=/dev/hxx" hxx is "/boot" or "/" ?? |
| 02:30.56 | hacim | is it possible that cdrecord is incorrectly determining a blank CD as being written to? |
| 02:30.56 | Guerin | Crell42: and you're still using courier-mta? |
| 02:30.57 | rob0 | I use smtp auth with SASL and courier authdaemond at my biggest site. |
| 02:31.03 | npx | etf is teh goodness |
| 02:31.04 | Guerin | hacim: anything's possible |
| 02:31.06 | Crell42 | abrotman: I don't plan on using pop. Or do you mean pop as an IMAP function? |
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| 02:31.17 | abrotman | pop as an imap function? |
| 02:31.22 | hacim | Guerin: good point |
| 02:31.26 | Guerin | never heard of that. |
| 02:31.42 | Guerin | Pakal: the answer is in the question. |
| 02:31.43 | abrotman | Crell42: start with getting postfix and courier-imap working |
| 02:31.43 | hacim | pop before imap? heh |
| 02:31.47 | Crell42 | Guerin: At the moment courier-mta is installed. I have no particular preference for one server over another as long as the bloody thing works. |
| 02:31.49 | Crell42 | :-) |
| 02:32.11 | Guerin | Crell42: but you're following a howto which details how to install and configure postfix |
| 02:32.14 | Guerin | ... |
| 02:32.28 | Crell42 | No, I'm reading it over because someone just pasted the link to me. |
| 02:32.34 | Guerin | oh, ok. |
| 02:32.35 | Crell42 | About 3 minutes ago. :-) |
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| 02:32.49 | npx | 3 minutes is an aeon in #debian time |
| 02:33.00 | abrotman | that's like .. 100 lines .. easily |
| 02:33.12 | Crell42 | Quite. :-) |
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| 02:33.23 | abrotman | Guerin: how's the bunneh!? |
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| 02:33.41 | Guerin | abrotman: cranky. We left him at home all yesterday while we were road trippin' |
| 02:33.50 | abrotman | Guerin: went to a real town? |
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| 02:34.05 | npx | is bunneh the gimp of the group guerin? |
| 02:34.11 | npx | there's a gimp in every social circle |
| 02:34.14 | abrotman | !bunneh |
| 02:34.15 | npx | the dude who fetches the drinks |
| 02:34.22 | zignig | npx: bring out the gimp! |
| 02:34.32 | Guerin | abrotman: yeah. realish, anyway. About 150k people - it's got a pizza hutt, fwiw. |
| 02:34.49 | abrotman | hut |
| 02:34.52 | abrotman | this is not star wars |
| 02:34.53 | Guerin | npx: our group has no gimp. Bunneh is just teh bunneh. |
| 02:34.59 | Guerin | hut, ok |
| 02:35.06 | Crell42 | Does postfix support spamassassin, filtering, and SPF? |
| 02:35.08 | mwolff | Guerin : Right, I don't know what alsamixer does/ why its needed, but I just apt installed the gnome-alsamixer package. Umm is there another package I need or am looking for or? (I appreciate your help :) ) |
| 02:35.14 | Guerin | Crell42: of course it does. |
| 02:35.17 | abrotman | isn't SA filtering? |
| 02:35.26 | abrotman | Crell42: ask #postfix ? |
| 02:35.32 | Crell42 | I mean filtering to different folders. spamassassin is a spam filtering program. |
| 02:35.33 | Guerin | mwolff: it's a mixer which is designed to work with alsa. |
| 02:35.37 | npx | Guerin you don't know what you're missing out on dude |
| 02:35.44 | Guerin | !gui tools |
| 02:35.44 | dpkg | Don't use gui tools for diagnostics unless you have absolutely no choice. Console-based tools give much more useful and sane feedback, and often are more configurable. |
| 02:35.51 | Guerin | mwolff: ↑ |
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| 02:36.00 | Guerin | npx: actually, I do. |
| 02:36.07 | npx | once you've got someone to run into the convenient store and steal beer for you, it's just hard to go back |
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| 02:36.28 | abrotman | Crell42: it sounds to me like you've got some serious reading to do |
| 02:37.05 | Crell42 | abrotman: Quite. Finding WHAT to read, that's been the challenge for the past few weeks. :-) |
| 02:37.08 | Guerin | Crell42: it supports piping mail to stuff like procmail, sa, clamav, anything else. |
| 02:37.23 | abrotman | Crell42: if you choose postfix .. start at www.postfix.org |
| 02:37.27 | evilmegaman | does debian Sarge have all the updates found in Woody R4? I am planning on using the debian-installer |
| 02:37.31 | Guerin | Crell42: just do that howto, work on the details like filtering when you have that up and running |
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| 02:37.44 | Guerin | evilmegaman: it doesn't, because it's ~2.5 years newer. |
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| 02:38.12 | evilmegaman | Oh. So Sarge is better than woody guerin? |
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| 02:38.18 | Guerin | !better |
| 02:38.18 | dpkg | i heard better is a matter of personal taste; asking "is foo better than bar?" is almost meaningless unless we know what *you* mean by "better". |
| 02:38.22 | Crell42 | For certain definitions of better. |
| 02:38.24 | rob0 | Crell42: Postfix can do almost anything. Exim can do ... anything. The difference is in the structure, monolithic Exim vs. modular Postfix. |
| 02:38.34 | evilmegaman | sorry not better but as stable* |
| 02:38.47 | resiak | evilmegaman: That depends on what you mean by stable. |
| 02:38.52 | Guerin | evilmegaman: no, it's not as stable. But it is more modern, and more fun to use on the desktop. |
| 02:39.01 | Crell42 | evilmegaman: woody=2.5 years out of date but solid as a rock. sarge=reasonably up to date, not as stable yet, but soon to replace woody as the solid as a rock version (for another 3 years...) |
| 02:39.11 | rob0 | qmail in contrast is much more limited. But I see that's not under consideration. |
| 02:39.21 | Crell42 | sid=very up to date, but stuff does sometimes break. |
| 02:39.32 | abrotman | qmail is actually more modular .. but what a piece of shit |
| 02:39.33 | Guerin | rob0: as well it shouldn't be. |
| 02:39.35 | Crell42 | rob0: qmail is non-Free, if I recall correctly. I am therefore not interested. |
| 02:39.40 | evilmegaman | Thanks guys :) So The debian installer has all the updates for sarge in it right? (the r2)? |
| 02:39.44 | Guerin | yeah, it's djbware. |
| 02:39.50 | resiak | Sid == something that shouldn't really be used unless you know what it is. |
| 02:39.51 | Guerin | evilmegaman: NO. |
| 02:39.52 | zignig | Guerin: meta-free. |
| 02:40.17 | rob0 | And for the reason of being non-free, it has stagnated and fallen WAY behind. |
| 02:40.19 | abrotman | resiak: you're drunk! |
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| 02:40.35 | Guerin | evilmegaman: woody is debian 3.0 - current stable woody is 3.0r4. Sarge is debian 3.1 - it hasn't been released as stable yet. |
| 02:40.38 | Crell42 | evilmegaman: the updates to woody are security patches against software that is 3 years old. |
| 02:40.39 | abrotman | evilmegaman: the installer will get them for you .. you have broadband? |
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| 02:40.58 | npx | I dunno, if you compare the packages in sid with the latest releases of other distributions, you'll find they're pretty comparable (even though the other distros are largely marketed as being 'stable') |
| 02:41.00 | Crell42 | If you have broadband and you're not running an Internet-facing server, use Sarge. |
| 02:41.11 | npx | err, misfire |
| 02:41.21 | benjamindees | ok, this is OT, but I'm not sure where else to ask: #ubuntu says that they forked SID; they didn't *really* fork SID did they? surely Sarge... they wouldn't be that crack-headed to fork SID and provide security updates... would they? |
| 02:41.25 | resiak | abrotman: No... |
| 02:41.27 | Crell42 | npx: Yes, but for instance right now FLAC is somewhat broken in sid so some audio apps don't work. :-) |
| 02:41.28 | evilmegaman | Guerin: sorry if I make you mad.. Oh and thanks abrotman. that answers it. and yes I have broadband |
| 02:41.48 | abrotman | benjamindees: afaik .. they forked mepis .. whic is a a fork of sid .. they would know more |
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| 02:41.52 | Guerin | no, you haven't made me mad |
| 02:41.52 | Zalamander | sarge does not seem that far apart from sid at the moment, if the information at distrowatch is correct. |
| 02:42.03 | Guerin | I was just trying to make things crystal clear for you |
| 02:42.04 | Crell42 | sarge=sid+time to settle |
| 02:42.05 | evilmegaman | thanks guerin :) |
| 02:42.14 | npx | Zalamander it's quite a bit different from sid |
| 02:42.28 | Zalamander | npx then I guess distrowatch is out of date. |
| 02:42.30 | Guerin | Zalamander: it never is, day-to-day. But in terms of actually running it, there's a big difference. |
| 02:42.37 | Zalamander | eh? |
| 02:43.14 | Guerin | Zalamander: packages enter sarge if they have been in sid for 10 days without any major bugs being filed against them or anything in their dependency tree. |
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| 02:43.25 | npx | isn't sarge frozen atm? |
| 02:43.31 | Guerin | Zalamander: this means that sarge is sid with most of the nasty bugs worked out. |
| 02:43.34 | Guerin | npx: no. |
| 02:43.34 | thingfish | hi benjamindees |
| 02:43.37 | skyisblue | Crell42: libflac4 and rhythmbox only |
| 02:43.40 | Crell42 | Guerin: Out of curiosity, what are the critical release bugs keeping sarge back right now if a package can't get into sarge if it has critical bugs? |
| 02:43.44 | benjamindees | hello thingfish :) |
| 02:43.44 | Crell42 | skyisblue: And Juk. |
| 02:43.45 | glick | what whill the next testing be called after sarge becomes stable? |
| 02:43.45 | npx | mmk, my bad |
| 02:43.46 | Zalamander | Guerin ok. I consider 10 days a pretty short time. |
| 02:43.50 | thingfish | :) |
| 02:44.13 | DaCa | npx: only base is frozen |
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| 02:44.19 | npx | ahh okay |
| 02:44.23 | Guerin | Zalamander: it is. but since bugs tend to get filed pretty fast, that often means that any arbitrary package may take somewhat longer. |
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| 02:44.41 | npx | must've been the source of my confusion, I knew I read about something wrt sarge and refrigeration |
| 02:44.44 | mwolff | Guerin : I did an apt-cache search and found some packages for alsa and mixer, but again, not sure where to go now |
| 02:44.47 | Guerin | Crell42: mmostly policy things. Go look them up. |
| 02:44.51 | nostalg1c | can anyone explain to my why vpopmail's vadddomain would _not_ write anything to the mysql table, even though i selected 'mysql' as backend in /etc/vpopmail.conf ? |
| 02:45.04 | Zalamander | Guerin understood. So what's so different about running it? Primarily the fact the you have to fix things occasionally and just generally know what you're doing? |
| 02:45.07 | Guerin | mwolff: just apt-get install alsamixer, then run it in a shell, and tell me what error, if any, you get. |
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| 02:45.19 | DaCa | npx: actually base+standard, its in the topic |
| 02:45.44 | MobyTurbo | !topicsmite npx |
| 02:45.44 | dpkg | And the wrath of /TOPIC descended with terrible fury upon npx. And all the people marveled, saying, Behold, we too should read the /TOPIC, lest we be stricken. And all the people read the /TOPIC, and went away edified. |
| 02:45.45 | Crell42 | I run sid on my desktop, generally don't run into problems I can't fix. And when I I do, they're non-fatal. (Doing without Juk for a week, though, is starting to become dangerous.....) |
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| 02:46.01 | npx | MobyTurbo I'm spoiled by clients that have the topic in the titlebar |
| 02:46.01 | MobyTurbo | npx: ;-) |
| 02:46.02 | jeanmi_ | hmmm ftp.debian.org is not working ..... |
| 02:46.09 | Guerin | Zalamander: basically, yeah. It hoses your package system from time to time; it breaks something catastrophically important like login or sed rarely. Basically, it's a grab-bag - things can and do break at any time. |
| 02:46.19 | npx | if it's not there, I tend to forget that there *is* a topic |
| 02:46.24 | Guerin | jeanmi_: you lie. |
| 02:46.30 | jeanmi_ | can't connect |
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| 02:46.40 | mwolff | Guerin: alsamixer isn't a package that I can find, the closest thing are the gui's alsamixergui and gnome-alsamixer(Which I installed already)+ |
| 02:46.40 | thingfish | ftp.debian.org working fine here |
| 02:46.40 | Guerin | jeanmi_: try ftp.us.d.o |
| 02:46.46 | Guerin | wtf |
| 02:46.51 | Guerin | mwolff: sarge? |
| 02:46.58 | jeanmi_ | Err ftp://ftp.us.debian.org unstable/main Packages |
| 02:46.58 | jeanmi_ | <PROTECTED> |
| 02:47.01 | Zalamander | Guerin gotcha. So when sarge freezes, does it become stable and sid becomes testing? How does that work? |
| 02:47.02 | npx | Zalamander it boils down to: do you expect the worst when you type apt-get dist-upgrade, and are you okay with that? |
| 02:47.25 | skyisblue | jeanmi_: thingfish is right |
| 02:47.29 | Zalamander | npx <nod> gotcha |
| 02:47.41 | Guerin | Zalamander: sarge will freeze, then become the new stable, and at that point it will be forked - the fork will become the new testing. Sid is always sid. |
| 02:47.43 | Crell42 | Zalamander: No. Sid is always Unstable. (Named after the kid who broke things.) |
| 02:47.53 | Zalamander | ah, ok |
| 02:48.04 | Crell42 | I forget what the name for the new testing will be. It's been decided, I just don't remember it. |
| 02:48.07 | resiak | Etch. |
| 02:48.08 | Guerin | etch |
| 02:48.10 | Crell42 | That's it. |
| 02:48.12 | resiak | It is. |
| 02:48.15 | Crell42 | I knew it was something short. |
| 02:48.16 | mwolff | Guerin: Testing |
| 02:48.19 | Zalamander | etch? oh the etch-a-sketch |
| 02:48.23 | npx | Etch, good name |
| 02:48.24 | Guerin | !info alsamixer sarge |
| 02:48.34 | npx | Woody makes me giggle whenever I say it aloud |
| 02:48.36 | Guerin | what the fuck |
| 02:48.40 | jeanmi_ | deb ftp://ftp.us.debian.org/debian/ unstable main non-free contrib |
| 02:48.43 | Guerin | no alsamixer in sarge |
| 02:48.43 | thingfish | lol |
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| 02:48.49 | jeanmi_ | I don't know why but it does not work for me |
| 02:48.49 | jdhutchin1 | MobyTurbo, not at the current rate |
| 02:48.57 | npx | jdhutchin1 *rimshot* |
| 02:49.09 | zignig | MobyTurbo: there is lots of those three eyed green guys. |
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| 02:49.11 | DaCa | MobyTurbo: at the rate releases go, you wont survive it :) |
| 02:49.19 | Guerin | MobyTurbo: haven't started on the second movie yet... but I suspect that now perens isn't running things, they might choose a new set of names. |
| 02:49.23 | dfsgsf | how do i perform a floppy install of debian? |
| 02:49.30 | Guerin | !ig |
| 02:49.31 | dpkg | well, ig is for woody: http://www.debian.org/releases/woody/installmanual ; sarge: http://d-i.alioth.debian.org/manual/ ; sid: /msg dpkg iyhtays. |
| 02:49.35 | Guerin | dfsgsf: ↑ |
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| 02:49.50 | zignig | Guerin: how did you do the arrow ? |
| 02:49.52 | npx | Guerin the whole toy story naming scheme always struck me as sorta lame |
| 02:49.52 | peterS | UTF-8 Considered Harmful |
| 02:50.01 | proto__ | hello |
| 02:50.02 | proto__ | :) |
| 02:50.09 | horde | how to login in courier imapp ? |
| 02:50.20 | Guerin | zignig: shift+ctrl<release>uparrow<ret> |
| 02:50.26 | npx | it actually turned me off to debian initially |
| 02:50.28 | Guerin | zignig: in urxvt-ml |
| 02:50.30 | MobyTurbo | Guerin: the arrow didn't work here |
| 02:50.30 | npx | I mean...slackware or woody? |
| 02:50.37 | resiak | peterS: You lie! |
| 02:50.45 | horde | i cant login in courier imap,, :( |
| 02:50.45 | Guerin | MobyTurbo: you needs to get thee to a real charset :) |
| 02:51.16 | Guerin | !logs |
| 02:51.16 | dpkg | logs are what you should always check when you have a problem. They live in /var/log/ |
| 02:51.54 | npx | and they feed on your problems |
| 02:52.15 | Crell42 | Hm. If my postfix server is behind a NAT firewall, the firewall has the domain name home.mydomain.com, and I set an MX record for mydomain.com to point to home.mydomain.com (with the necessary port forwarding)... Then what is the local host name for the mail server, and is mydomain.com then virtual or not? |
| 02:53.10 | Guerin | Crell42: that way lies pain |
| 02:53.15 | peterS | Crell42: the local host name for the mail server isn't all that important. it just needs to know that mydomain.com is a local domain. |
| 02:53.21 | abrotman | Guerin: your sanity left about an hour ago :) |
| 02:53.27 | npx | =D |
| 02:53.33 | Guerin | abrotman: it was here before? |
| 02:53.36 | shmike | do i need to setup exim in order to use mozilla-thunderbird? |
| 02:53.41 | Guerin | I didn't get it. |
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| 02:53.44 | Crell42 | Guerin: Well, this is what I get for having a semi-dynamic IP address at home from Comcast. :-) |
| 02:53.56 | Crell42 | shmike: No. |
| 02:54.03 | shmike | ok |
| 02:54.14 | Crell42 | Unless you want to use TBird against your own POP server locally on the same box, which you don't. :-) |
| 02:54.47 | shmike | ok makes sense |
| 02:54.49 | rob0 | If you want the Postfix mail name to be the same as the MX, make another A record pointing to the same IP, and have that be your MX. |
| 02:55.02 | rob0 | DNS records are cheap :) |
| 02:55.05 | Crell42 | rob0: Er, eh? |
| 02:55.12 | MobyTurbo | shmike: you still want a minimal setup of exim to give reports on security and other things from cron, etc. |
| 02:55.34 | evilmegaman | Apt-get updates your system when you need updates right? And all the security and package updates you'd need for sarge can be gotten with apt-get right? |
| 02:55.35 | Crell42 | My DNS is externally hosted. I have home.mydomain.com CNAMEd to mydomain.dyndns.org, which is updated by my IPCop firewall whenever Comcast gets cranky. |
| 02:55.39 | Crell42 | Screwy, I know.:-) |
| 02:55.54 | shmike | i slippped the setup on install is there away to set it now? |
| 02:56.01 | shmike | skipped* |
| 02:56.02 | MobyTurbo | evilmegaman: there are no security updates for sarge |
| 02:56.09 | evilmegaman | Well whatever :) |
| 02:56.11 | Crell42 | evilmegaman: Anything that's officially provided by Debian will come via Apt-get. |
| 02:56.13 | MobyTurbo | shmike: yes |
| 02:56.25 | Crell42 | shmike: exim or thunderbird? |
| 02:56.26 | rob0 | Crell42: do you not have control over your own DNS? Mine's externally hosted too (zoneedit) but I can change it all I want. |
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| 02:56.32 | shmike | exim |
| 02:56.32 | skyisblue | evilmegaman: or aptitude and "u" |
| 02:56.46 | Crell42 | rob0: Yes I can, with the exception of mydomain.com itself. Everything else I can play with (I believe). |
| 02:56.49 | evilmegaman | :) cool. thanks Crell42 and skyisblue |
| 02:56.54 | evilmegaman | wait |
| 02:57.04 | evilmegaman | nvm |
| 02:57.07 | SUSY_PR | hI..... |
| 02:57.10 | SUSY_PR | HI |
| 02:57.18 | Crell42 | You're saying CNAME mail.mydomain.com to mydomain.dyndns.org as well? |
| 02:57.44 | rob0 | Hmmm, well a CNAME should not be used as an MX. |
| 02:57.50 | SUSY_PR | :)' |
| 02:57.53 | SUSY_PR | :) |
| 02:57.57 | SUSY_PR | ;) |
| 02:57.59 | Crell42 | Oh. Well that will be problematic then. :-) |
| 02:58.04 | rob0 | I made my own dynamic DNS system |
| 02:58.09 | Zalamander | it wouldn't be an MX record ... |
| 02:58.10 | hacim | how do I get a device assigned to my USB CDrom at scsi0? |
| 02:58.15 | rob0 | but my mail is all on static IP's. |
| 02:58.24 | drac | !tell SUSY_PR about repeat |
| 02:58.55 | Crell42 | That's the rub. My mail server is behind a NAT on a semi-dynamic address. (Only changes when Comcast goes down or my router reboots, which is not often but then, this IS Comcast....) |
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| 02:59.39 | rob0 | My comcast IP has been stable for almost 2 years, only changed when I swiched the NIC |
| 02:59.39 | pipeline | Comcast gives you a dynamic IP? |
| 02:59.43 | pipeline | Were you an AT&T customer before? |
| 03:00.00 | Crell42 | I suppose if I just setup my provider's mail server as a backup MX, then I can update the record manually when it changes and wait for mail to forward through. |
| 03:00.06 | pipeline | Every comcast residential install I've ever seen, the IP is based upon the MAC address of host |
| 03:00.07 | shmike | Crell42:so i can run my own mail server? |
| 03:00.09 | Crell42 | pipeline: No. |
| 03:00.31 | Crell42 | shmike: Technically, yes. It's a big PITA, though. I'm working on that now. STILL working on it. ;-) |
| 03:00.55 | shmike | well it is probably over my head then |
| 03:01.23 | Crell42 | EMail is a horribly convoluted and ugly system that has mutated over the past 30 years in evil ways. |
| 03:01.28 | shmike | nice to know though |
| 03:01.40 | nostalg1c | can anyone explain to my why vpopmail's vadddomain would _not_ write anything to the mysql table, even though i selected 'mysql' as backend in /etc/vpopmail.conf ? |
| 03:01.41 | skyisblue | shmike: technically everything, but start to do business then money.. |
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| 03:02.36 | rob0 | nostalg1c: logs |
| 03:03.01 | drac | Please ignore, or just kill/ban user SUSY_PR ignoring all suggestions 'bout good behaviour and public msg flood. |
| 03:03.04 | nostalg1c | rob0, if only i knew which one |
| 03:03.09 | rob0 | or try running with verbose settings |
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| 03:03.18 | someonestolemyni | hello |
| 03:03.27 | nostalg1c | verbose settings ? |
| 03:03.37 | nostalg1c | rob0, excuse me, i'm not a vpopmail pro :( |
| 03:03.41 | someonestolemyni | how does fortune-mod work? |
| 03:03.59 | Guerin | nostalg1c: actually, djbware doesn't log sanely anyhow, so you might be fucked. |
| 03:04.11 | nostalg1c | yea, i've noticed that with qmail.. |
| 03:04.33 | nostalg1c | but i don't get it, i even removed the libvpopmail-freecdb package, and it is STILL using cdb files :( |
| 03:04.34 | rob0 | Well to be fair, vpopmail is not DJB junk. It's junk, but not DJB. ;) |
| 03:04.45 | Bogaurd | ok... can someone help me workout why my hdd's are getting like a max of 5mb/s on debian woody? :( |
| 03:04.50 | Guerin | true... |
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| 03:05.09 | Guerin | Bogaurd: hdparm -d /dev/hdafoo |
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| 03:05.27 | Bogaurd | Guerin: it has dma on |
| 03:05.43 | nostalg1c | so no idea? anyone? :/ |
| 03:05.46 | john | brb |
| 03:06.01 | cwood | A question... has anybody else had trouble booting from a non-pre-compiled 2.6 kernel? I've been compiling fine, but haven't managed to boot from any of them yet. And this machine boots well from the packaged Sid kernels. |
| 03:06.03 | rob0 | nostalg1c: seriously, the qmail world is not a good place to be. We're getting out of it. Postfix or Exim ... |
| 03:06.32 | nullvoid | I am getting mail dccd exiting with signal 15 for my dcc on my mailserver I searched in google but no hints. Please help |
| 03:06.34 | rob0 | cwood start with a known good .config file |
| 03:06.37 | Crell42 | OK, this tutorial looks like 95% of what I want. :-) |
| 03:06.43 | Guerin | !norootfs |
| 03:06.43 | dpkg | Modular support is nice, but don't go overboard. You'll have to use static (vs modular) support for your root filesystem (including where your modules reside), the hardware to boot it (eg, ide, scsi controllers etc) Consider using a known good configuration from /boot/ and copy it to .config, then make oldconfig (see kp). And make sure your initrd is setup correctly in your bootloader |
| 03:06.53 | Guerin | cwood: I bet ↑ that is your problem |
| 03:06.56 | DaCa | nostalg1c: you may need to restart the daemon |
| 03:06.56 | Crell42 | Where on the disk is Maildir info stored for virtual users under postfix? |
| 03:06.58 | drac | cwood: You compiled your IDE support, and File System support build-in in your kernel? |
| 03:07.10 | nostalg1c | rob0, it's not an option really, i'm moving customers from a freebsd system to a linux system, and they'll want to have access to the same tools (eg qmailadmin) they did before |
| 03:07.12 | cwood | rob0: Yes, and when I do it still doesn't work, which is why I'm confused. And yes, I have been including my filesystem as part of the kernel. I'll check the ide support. |
| 03:07.26 | mwolff | Guerin: Got it working, not alsamixer, but I found the right package, alsa-utils. From there I just ran alsaconf and it was simply enter, enter, enter. Thanks for the help! |
| 03:07.30 | Guerin | cwood: not just your filesystem; you needd your drive interface too |
| 03:07.33 | nostalg1c | DaCa, perhaps i'm confused, but what does the daemon have to do with the vpopmail commandline programs? |
| 03:07.52 | Guerin | hrm, my internet radio is fuzzy |
| 03:08.03 | Guerin | I need to pipe it through a noise reduction gateway |
| 03:08.09 | DaCa | nostalg1c: i dont know, its just a suggestion, i never used it |
| 03:08.30 | nostalg1c | DaCa, i tried that, but no goodie.. thanks for trying anyways :) |
| 03:08.34 | rob0 | Crell42: you can put your virtual mailboxes where you want them. There are different ways to do it. And there are also virtual ALIAS domains. |
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| 03:08.37 | skyisblue | mwolff: use aptitude for search for something or anything |
| 03:08.40 | Bogaurd | any other ideas on how to speed up these drives? i know they are capable of 30mb/s... they did that under rh |
| 03:08.50 | flex | <PROTECTED> |
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| 03:09.10 | mick_laptop | skyisblue: or apt-cache search alsa |
| 03:09.14 | mick_laptop | ;) |
| 03:09.15 | mwolff | skyisblue: Well I was apt-cache searching, wasn't finding it, found it mentioned under another package on the actual package website. |
| 03:09.22 | Crell42 | rob0: Is that somewhere in the postfix config docs? (Ideally I'm looking at something like /home/vmail/userA/Maildir/ methinks.) |
| 03:09.26 | npx | Bogaurd are you using the generic IDE controller driver? |
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| 03:09.33 | skyisblue | i know. but wfm |
| 03:09.37 | npx | have you enabled DMA etc with hdparm? etc etc |
| 03:09.43 | mick_laptop | ah ok, weird |
| 03:09.50 | rob0 | Crell42: try VIRTUAL_README[.html] |
| 03:10.04 | Bogaurd | npx: enabled dma, yes, pretty sure i am on default ide driver |
| 03:10.13 | npx | there's your problem |
| 03:10.26 | skyisblue | sigh |
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| 03:11.02 | Bogaurd | npx: how can i check/change? |
| 03:11.31 | Bogaurd | npx: its an old pc, celeron 300 |
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| 03:11.56 | cwood | rebooting to test this. I'll be right back. |
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| 03:14.21 | nostalg1c | rob0, suppose i would convert.. what software would forfill my needs (pop3/pop3s/imap/imaps/smtp/webmail/qmailadmin-like-webconfig-thing), and would you happen to have a good tutorial on that? :) |
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| 03:15.06 | Crell42 | nostalg1c: I'm currently reading through and trying out http://workaround.org/articles/ispmail-sarge/ for basically that. |
| 03:15.15 | rob0 | yes, that is a good one |
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| 03:15.32 | nostalg1c | would it hurt if i'm on woody instead of sarge? |
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| 03:16.00 | nostalg1c | oh i see, there's a link inside the document :) |
| 03:16.01 | nostalg1c | sorry |
| 03:16.04 | rob0 | we did ours the lame way: I put Postfix in front of qmail/vpopmail so it can filter the spam. We'll be moving toward some SQL-based virtual system later. |
| 03:16.28 | npx | dude why not use XML? |
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| 03:16.31 | Crell42 | OK, it is now officially freezing here.... |
| 03:16.45 | npx | if you play your cards right you might even be able to find an XML implementation that's slower than mysql |
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| 03:17.14 | kalessin | I'm trying to set up a Compaq Pressario 5400US to dual boot w2k/linux. hda1 is a 20G ntfs partition, hda2 is a 20G ext2 partition. I can boot from the install CD with "rescue root=/dev/hda2". However, booting from the hard drive fails with a kernel panic, and a VFS: unable to mount error. I have enabled lba32 in /etc/lilo.conf, and my kernel can read ext2. ANybody have a hit for me about what I'm missing to make this go? |
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| 03:18.00 | FieldySnuts | @fuck Comapq |
| 03:18.11 | rob0 | kalessin: fdisk -l |
| 03:18.14 | npx | the 5400 isn't bad |
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| 03:18.24 | npx | It's actually a standard ATX case |
| 03:18.41 | npx | 750mhz duron, 128mb ram stock right? not a bad machine |
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| 03:18.48 | rob0 | compaq in a standard case, wow! |
| 03:18.57 | npx | yeah it boggled my mind, too |
| 03:18.58 | kalessin | rob0 I set up the partitions myself with cfdisk, so I don't think it's anything but hda2 |
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| 03:19.13 | npx | actually upon further thought I think it's mini-atx |
| 03:19.23 | npx | but hey that's workable |
| 03:19.26 | lunaphyte | i'd like to upgrade from mysql to mysql-4.1 (common, server, client) - can that be done more efficiently than removing all of the 4.0 stuff and installing the 4.1 stuff? |
| 03:19.48 | npx | lunaphyte how could it be more efficient? |
| 03:20.23 | rob0 | kalessin: oh yeah, you DID say "root=/dev/hda2" works :) |
| 03:20.56 | lunaphyte | npx: i was thinking of something along the lines of 'apt-get upgrade'.. obviously that wouldn't work, since they're separate packages. |
| 03:20.58 | kalessin | rob0 from the CD yes. From the HD, no. |
| 03:21.17 | nostalg1c | rob0, that document looks great actually, but it doesn't really address webbased email configuration programs.. would you know of a suitable one? (sorry if i start to annoy you :)) |
| 03:21.24 | Crell42 | courier-imap works with squirrelmail, doesn't it? |
| 03:21.30 | rob0 | Crell42: yes |
| 03:21.36 | Crell42 | OK, good. |
| 03:21.51 | npx | nostalg1c there are a few good commercial ones available |
| 03:21.54 | rob0 | kalessin: custom kernel or Debian one? |
| 03:21.56 | Crell42 | The #Courier folks said sqwebmail was an ugly POS, so I won't bother with it. :-) |
| 03:21.56 | nostalg1c | any free ones? :) |
| 03:22.01 | kalessin | rob0 Debian. |
| 03:22.09 | rob0 | nostalg1c: lots of them but I haven't tried any yet |
| 03:22.13 | npx | None that seem worth mentioning to me |
| 03:22.14 | nostalg1c | Crell42, it's ugly for sure :) imp/horde looks promising too |
| 03:22.20 | nostalg1c | rob0, ok, thanks |
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| 03:22.31 | thully | Hi - I'm aware that there are some distros that use debian sources, yet are not considered debian. Could someone clarify why these aren't considered debian, especially when people apt-get dist-upgrade from debian.org I don't mean to troll, just curious on the debian community's rationale. |
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| 03:22.45 | raven | hi, any of you have any luck getting sata_nv to work with an nForce3 chipset? |
| 03:22.52 | npx | thully what distributions would those be? |
| 03:23.08 | rob0 | I am thinking about writing a hack to continue using vpopmail without qmail. |
| 03:23.24 | brynjarh | Is there some default way to make Debian upgrade it self automatically regularly? Something similar to the upgrading feature in MS Windows. I guess I could write a script to do it but I would rather like to use some default way if there is any. |
| 03:23.37 | npx | For all intents and purposes, if you're using debian's repository (without elaborate pinning hackery) to install packages, you're using Debian |
| 03:23.43 | abrotman | !cron-apt |
| 03:23.43 | mwilson | I can't think of any distributions other than Debian that use Debian mirrors. |
| 03:23.43 | thully | MEPIS, Kanotix, Progeny (I know Ubuntu has different sources, and Knoppix mixes all kinds of packages, so I accept that those aren't true debian) |
| 03:23.47 | abrotman | !apt cron |
| 03:23.48 | dvs | brynjarh: you could add a cron job but I wouldn't recommend it |
| 03:23.49 | abrotman | bah |
| 03:24.02 | abrotman | !apt-get cron |
| 03:24.02 | dpkg | Don't do it! If your unattended apt-get upgrade blows up, your system could be unusable, and you won't even have a prompt on the console to answer. |
| 03:24.04 | abrotman | yay |
| 03:24.04 | npx | Progeny is no longer activelydeveloped |
| 03:24.14 | abrotman | brynjarh: man cron-apt |
| 03:24.27 | npx | and kanotix, I've never even heard of (gets bonus points for mortal kombat reference though) |
| 03:24.34 | rob0 | what happened with Progeny? |
| 03:24.34 | thully | I thought it was restarted - they have a version only 2 months old |
| 03:24.43 | abrotman | rob0: progeny.com |
| 03:24.43 | Crell42 | Kanotix is a Knoppix offshoot that is more "pure Sid". |
| 03:24.54 | thully | correct |
| 03:24.54 | dvs | Isn't Progeny doing User Linux now? |
| 03:25.04 | npx | Some of progeny's developers are working on that project |
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| 03:25.13 | npx | but I don't think it'd be fair to say "progeny is doing user linux" |
| 03:25.20 | thully | But, I thought Progeny was about to release 2.0? |
| 03:25.39 | npx | err, last I heard it was dead |
| 03:25.44 | rob0 | abrotman: looking but have still not found it |
| 03:25.54 | abrotman | rob0: you mean the distro or the company? |
| 03:25.56 | npx | apparently not, sorry for the misinformation |
| 03:26.00 | rob0 | I'm surprised because I know someone who works there |
| 03:26.16 | abrotman | rob0: afaik .. overfiend works there |
| 03:26.28 | brynjarh | What if I'm installing Debian on a computer for a person that's not that computer literate, shouldn't there be developed a feature to APT that automatically updates the system for the less computer litaret people? Yea I could add a cron job for now, but this seams like something that would be very user friendly. |
| 03:26.36 | thully | yes - but I came in here using Kanotix before and got told off for asking questions concerning make-kpkg. |
| 03:26.38 | abrotman | rob0: go to progeny.com .. click on developers |
| 03:26.46 | dvs | brynjarh: That's a bad idea. |
| 03:26.52 | mwilson | brynjarh: Certainly. Start writing it. |
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| 03:27.07 | brynjarh | dvs, how so? |
| 03:27.15 | abrotman | apt-get cron |
| 03:27.19 | abrotman | !apt-get cron |
| 03:27.19 | dpkg | Don't do it! If your unattended apt-get upgrade blows up, your system could be unusable, and you won't even have a prompt on the console to answer. |
| 03:27.21 | brynjarh | mwilson, I'm not a programmer.. |
| 03:27.31 | abrotman | brynjarh: ^^ |
| 03:27.33 | dvs | brynjarh: Because the configuration files may change and I would want to know what the changes are before I allow them |
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| 03:27.45 | mith | what |
| 03:27.51 | mith | I use apt-cron all the time |
| 03:28.04 | npx | brynjarh suggestion: python + QT + kparts + cron + rip-off of windows' process scheduling interface |
| 03:28.06 | Bogaurd | can someone help me fix my hd's? they wont read at anything faster than about 5mb/s, with 100% cpu usage... they used to work just fine on rh9. do i need to change my ide driver or something? |
| 03:28.18 | mith | I just know how to hold back packages the system needs to boot if something gets fucked |
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| 03:28.25 | npx | which is in truth a pretty decent interface for task scheduling |
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| 03:28.40 | thully | So, am I welcome to ask questions here if I'm using a debian-based distro using mostly pure debian repos? |
| 03:28.57 | mwilson | thully: There isn't any such thing. |
| 03:28.59 | npx | thully if the md5sum of the package you're referring to matches a mainline debian package I don't see why not. |
| 03:29.07 | abrotman | rob0: did you find it? |
| 03:29.08 | kalessin | rob0 No other ideas, then? |
| 03:29.21 | Bogaurd | does anyone know why debian woody is only letting me use these drives so slowly? |
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| 03:29.35 | dvs | Bogaurd: uname -r |
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| 03:29.57 | Bogaurd | 2.4.18 - compiled it yesterday |
| 03:29.59 | thully | the only thing Kanotix , for instance, uses that isn't debian is 1)kernel 2)init scripts 3)it has a few custom configuration tools from Knoppix |
| 03:29.59 | rob0 | abrotman: not that Progeny Debian is dead. http://componentizedlinux.org/progeny/ ... oh well, I'll ask my friend when I talk to her. |
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| 03:30.08 | elnovato | i fell from the chair.. im sorry |
| 03:30.13 | abrotman | rob0: they had another thing .. don't remember what it was |
| 03:30.15 | MobyTurbo | Bogaurd: apt-get install hdparam && hdparm -d /dev/YOURHD |
| 03:30.20 | npx | thully the problem is, we don't know *exactly* what they've changed |
| 03:30.24 | MobyTurbo | s/-d /-d 1 |
| 03:30.25 | dvs | Bogaurd: You compiled it? You probably selected a less-than-optimal IDE driver |
| 03:30.26 | thully | As for Progeny, here is the link to the newest version http://componentizedlinux.org/progeny/2004111001 |
| 03:30.33 | npx | and we're not running the same thing as you |
| 03:30.37 | Bogaurd | MobyTurbo: DMA is on |
| 03:30.41 | brynjarh | dvs, okay, but I think developers should find a good way for automatically updating the system for situations where it's needed like on PCs since most PCs don't have an administrator other then the user of course but they usually don't know what they are doing. |
| 03:31.00 | npx | so it's next-to-impossible (in the majority of cases) to help users of other debian-based OS' effectively |
| 03:31.02 | mwilson | You keep saying that. |
| 03:31.03 | abrotman | brynjarh: you can do it .. it's a bad idea .. just like automatic windows update is a bad idea |
| 03:31.04 | Bogaurd | dvs: i used oldconf from a kernel image i got from apt. i only enabled HTB shaping (for network) in the new kernel... |
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| 03:31.22 | mwilson | People develop to scratch an itch. So far, no one agrees with you. |
| 03:31.27 | dvs | brynjarh: Automated updates is asking for stability problems. |
| 03:31.29 | Bogaurd | dvs, can i load a different ide driver? |
| 03:31.43 | dvs | Bogaurd: oldconf from what kernel? |
| 03:31.46 | npx | There are actually a variety of cron front-ends for idiots |
| 03:31.50 | npx | the problem is, they suck ass |
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| 03:32.21 | skyisblue | brynjarh: i am using aptitude for my debian update, though it is not full-auto |
| 03:32.24 | Guerin | ah fuck, I'm too stupid to get sox to apply noise reduction to an audio stream |
| 03:32.25 | Bogaurd | dvs: oldconf from a 2.4.18. i just downloaded the 2.4.18 source, used the old conf (2.4.18 was my kernel at the time) and enabled HTB |
| 03:32.29 | mwilson | thully: Uh, have you actually LOOKED at the package list for Kanotix? These don't come from any Debian mirror. |
| 03:32.38 | brynjarh | abrotman, yea okay I guess, people should then be tough how to update through synaptic or something, I guess I'll just use that method then. :) |
| 03:32.40 | npx | You could probably write a cron script that called kpackage and talked to it via DCOP to achieve your desired effect |
| 03:32.45 | brynjarh | tought* |
| 03:32.50 | npx | (i.e. a windows update sorta thing) |
| 03:32.56 | dvs | Bogaurd: Did you use the kernel-package to compile the kernel? |
| 03:33.04 | npx | but unless you're willing to get your hands dirty, by all means stfu |
| 03:33.13 | abrotman | brynjarh: that's up to you .. you could also setup sshd .. and have them connect to the internet and you ssh in and update them remotely |
| 03:33.31 | Bogaurd | dvs: indeed i did |
| 03:33.36 | brynjarh | abrotman, yea, good idea. |
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| 03:33.48 | dvs | Bogaurd: Did you use the --initrd option when compiling the kernel? |
| 03:33.54 | Bogaurd | dvs, yep |
| 03:34.15 | dvs | hmmm |
| 03:34.38 | dvs | Bogaurd: I would have disabled anything I didn't need if I was compiling my own kernel. |
| 03:34.50 | brynjarh | Thanks for all the informative information. :) |
| 03:35.12 | Bogaurd | dvs: i didnt touch anything else.... im not saying it was before i compiled the new kernel, i hadnt checked the speed (this is a new install) |
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| 03:35.56 | skyisblue | Bogaurd: what is your fs? |
| 03:36.06 | npx | http://news.com.com/How+eight+pixels+cost+Microsoft+millions/2100-1014_3-5316664.html?tag=nefd.pop |
| 03:36.10 | dvs | Bogaurd: I'd enable just the appropriate IDE driver for the computer and recompile the kernel. |
| 03:36.12 | npx | that's just so good it has to be fattening |
| 03:36.15 | Bogaurd | ext2 |
| 03:36.29 | Bogaurd | dvs, ok, where can i find ide drivers in the kernel config? |
| 03:36.50 | drac | yes, of course. |
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| 03:37.30 | dvs | Bogaurd: Device Drivers -> ATA/ATAPI/MFM/RLL support ---> |
| 03:37.36 | thully_ | lost my connection - sorry for that |
| 03:37.44 | skyisblue | Bogaurd: when you install new debian, choose reiser or jfs lead better speed. |
| 03:37.52 | Bogaurd | dvs: bad news.... the correct driver is compiled in |
| 03:37.53 | brynjarh | hey by the way, I have been slowly making a howto (not in a standard form though) on how to set up Debian for a desktop computer just from what I know my self, it's not completed yet, it would be nice to get some feedback on what I could add or fix, you can find it here --> http://binni.gothicmars.com/debian-howto.php?location=Documentation&location0=HowTo's%20and%20Guides&location1=Debian%20Desktop%20HowTo |
| 03:38.11 | dvs | Bogaurd: As well as a whole bunch of other incorrect drivers. |
| 03:38.19 | Bogaurd | dvs, ok |
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| 03:38.32 | Bogaurd | dvs: can i tell it to use one, without recompiling? |
| 03:38.42 | dvs | Bogaurd: Not that I know of. |
| 03:38.50 | Bogaurd | dvs, ok i will try |
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| 03:40.05 | thully__ | Hi - I've got an unstable net connection at the moment |
| 03:40.17 | nostalg1c | dpkg, syntax error: unknown user `vpopmail' in statusoverride file |
| 03:40.17 | dpkg | bugger all, i dunno, nostalg1c |
| 03:40.23 | nostalg1c | err |
| 03:40.23 | nostalg1c | hehe |
| 03:40.26 | abrotman | brynjarh: /msg dpkg ig |
| 03:40.29 | nostalg1c | anyone know how to resolve that error? :) |
| 03:40.45 | thully__ | that's why I was gone in the middle of the Kanotix and Debian discussion |
| 03:41.23 | artichoke | will a debian netinst fit on a 250mb partition? |
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| 03:42.08 | thully__ | As I was saying, Kanotix is based on Sid to my understanding, just not the latest sid |
| 03:42.20 | skyisblue | artichoke: no more than 400MB+200MB |
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| 03:42.45 | thingfish | when you think about it, nothing can be sid except sid, since it changes every day. |
| 03:42.46 | artichoke | skyisblue: so thats a negative then |
| 03:43.07 | artichoke | skyisblue: i need a 600mb part? |
| 03:43.14 | skyisblue | or just try it how it going. |
| 03:43.20 | skyisblue | yes |
| 03:43.24 | thingfish | something could only be based on a particular snapshot of sid. |
| 03:43.37 | artichoke | yikes. ok thank you |
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| 03:44.31 | skyisblue | artichoke: or try "deli linux" |
| 03:45.02 | artichoke | ive tried a few other takeoffs and im feeling like i should just go for the Original. |
| 03:45.09 | thingfish | "I'd like a pastrami on rye with extra linux." |
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| 03:45.37 | FieldySnuts | @confuse anyone |
| 03:45.40 | ravenbird | yes how are your pants today ? |
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| 03:45.46 | thingfish | lol |
| 03:45.52 | FieldySnuts | ravenbird: confuse someone else |
| 03:45.54 | ravenbird | no them was their pineapple yesterday ? |
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| 03:46.10 | thingfish | crazy |
| 03:46.18 | Voot | i'm installing alsa, latest version, on a laptop with the es-1968 soundchip, but when I modprobe es-1968, i get a device not found error... |
| 03:46.21 | Voot | anyone know why? |
| 03:46.32 | Voot | i tried all suggestions from the alsa documentation |
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| 03:47.03 | dvs | Voot: All the ALSA drivers I know start with "snd_" |
| 03:47.15 | thully1 | darned internet connection! |
| 03:47.15 | raf256 | elo, I wonder - if my debian box was chrood, since chrootkit shos several hidding processes |
| 03:47.41 | thully1 | I switched to a different connection, now i'm good |
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| 03:48.06 | raf256 | s/chrood/schrooted ; but the hidding processes show only when I run startx, and they are: xmms, nautilus, evolution etc |
| 03:48.22 | Voot | dvs, i get an error "no module by that name found" for modprobe es_1968 |
| 03:48.45 | thully1 | So, should I be asking about anything in here (or on debian mailing lists) or filing any bug reports (in packages that are in debian) if I'm using Kanotix or another sid-based distro and dist-upgrading from debian sources? |
| 03:48.45 | Voot | at least my compilation of alsa has all modules with the dash - |
| 03:49.22 | raf256 | in fact this processess are in /proc/ and not in ps, but I can kill -9 them. And thoes are only processess I start. So, is it rather a bug in debian sid /proc / ps (kernel 2.6.9), or some kind of chroot? chkrootkit and rootkithunter didnt show other problems |
| 03:49.30 | thingfish | thully1: why don't you just install debian? It's really easy. |
| 03:49.50 | skyisblue | minimal debian console system: 250MB |
| 03:50.03 | npx | Yeah I second that, thully |
| 03:50.09 | npx | it's easy, and debian just rocks the casbah |
| 03:50.10 | thully1 | I have an ipw2200 wireless card and no access to ethernet networking (except for windows boxes which can download ISOs) |
| 03:50.15 | npx | it's a constant ciesta of love |
| 03:50.15 | skyisblue | <PROTECTED> |
| 03:50.17 | thingfish | thully1: then the answer to all your questions will be "yes". |
| 03:50.23 | npx | you sit down at your computer and it's like "yeah baby" |
| 03:50.27 | Guerin | skyisblue: we got that the first time |
| 03:50.33 | Guerin | skyisblue: and that's not actually minimal. |
| 03:50.40 | npx | Guerin i need to hear it one more time |
| 03:50.44 | skyisblue | then? |
| 03:50.55 | thully1 | thingfish: what exactly do you mean? |
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| 03:51.48 | thingfish | thully1: if you install and run debian, you'll be able to rightly ask questions in here all day and night if you want. |
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| 03:52.01 | kalessin | In case anyone is interested in what my boot problem was: I forgot to use an initrd= line in my updated lilo.conf. |
| 03:52.12 | abrotman | i'm surprised |
| 03:52.13 | skyisblue | oops typed twice |
| 03:52.38 | npx | we may be a bunch of opinionated elitist pricks, but this *is* the best linux support channel |
| 03:52.41 | thully1 | did you see why I said that installing debian was a difficult proposition for me? |
| 03:52.42 | thingfish | because, really, thully1, you'll probably not get a lot of help in here otherwise. |
| 03:53.01 | thingfish | yes, hardware can be a problem sometimes. |
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| 03:53.07 | thingfish | but have you tried? |
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| 03:53.17 | thully1 | I have no access to wired ethernet and my wireless is ipw2200 - so I can't install over the net |
| 03:53.24 | npx | thully yah, what is the problem? |
| 03:53.24 | thingfish | oh duh |
| 03:53.30 | thingfish | sorry |
| 03:53.31 | thully1 | I do have acces to some windows machines where I can burn ISOs |
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| 03:53.49 | npx | thully I suggest ordering a full set of CDs |
| 03:53.51 | npx | they're cheap (~$7) |
| 03:53.58 | thingfish | wow that is cheap |
| 03:54.12 | thully1 | well, woody is so ancient it may not even boot on my laptop, let alone use my wireless |
| 03:54.26 | jdhutchin1 | well, that's what sarge is for |
| 03:54.35 | npx | so install using knoppix, then dist-upgrade to stable, or use sarge with d-i |
| 03:54.40 | npx | s/stable/sarge/ |
| 03:55.07 | abrotman | !moo |
| 03:55.07 | dpkg | mooooooo! I am cow, hear me moo, I weigh twice as much as you. I'm a cow, eating grass, methane gas comes out my ass. I'm a cow, you are too; join us all! Type apt-get moo. |
| 03:55.35 | thully1 | npx: install using knoppix - that wouldn't give me a pure debian system |
| 03:55.50 | astronut | wtf? |
| 03:55.58 | astronut | is that an undocumented function in apt-get? |
| 03:56.03 | thully1 | I would use Kanotix anyway - it has ipw2200 support, knoppix does not |
| 03:56.04 | npx | it would if you dist-upgraded using debian sources |
| 03:56.11 | npx | astronut this apt has special cow powers! |
| 03:56.25 | npx | err, super =) |
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| 03:56.27 | jdhutchin1 | thully1, don't use the knoppix installer, use debinstaller(?) to isntall it (see the debian installation manual) |
| 03:56.39 | astronut | npx: my system's apt-get did something w/ apt-get moo |
| 03:56.46 | astronut | what other undocumented actions are there? |
| 03:56.48 | thully1 | Well - I wouldn't use knoppix as it doesn't support ipw2200 - kanotix does |
| 03:56.49 | npx | you've been hacked! |
| 03:57.05 | jdhutchin1 | thully1, under the section installl from a pre-existing unix system |
| 03:57.06 | astronut | the "This apt..." |
| 03:57.25 | thully1 | what is debinstaller, is it the same as debootstrap |
| 03:57.35 | jdhutchin1 | thully, yes, that's the name |
| 03:57.43 | npx | thully, does mortal-kombat-debian have an install-to-disk option? |
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| 03:57.57 | npx | http://www.capitolhillblue.com/artman/publish/article_4978.shtml |
| 03:57.57 | npx | that's great. |
| 03:58.00 | thully | npx - correct |
| 03:58.27 | astronut | npx: what other undocumented actions are there in apt-get? |
| 03:58.38 | npx | I dunno |
| 03:58.48 | npx | thully, I'd use it then use debian repositories |
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| 03:59.21 | astronut | what is chanmode +J? |
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| 03:59.34 | rpetre | apt-get moo is (sort of documented) |
| 03:59.40 | caskey | astronut: "+J = everybody Jump! Jump!" |
| 03:59.40 | thully | And I would have a debian system that I could report bugs in and ask about problems in here? |
| 03:59.46 | astronut | caskey: .... |
| 03:59.48 | npx | it might result in slight breakage, but it'd probably be nothing major if, as you say, the only differences are the hardware detection (init script) and kernel (easily changed) |
| 03:59.51 | abrotman | not quite |
| 03:59.52 | rpetre | apt-get | grep Cow |
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| 04:00.10 | npx | *nods* |
| 04:00.14 | eibwen | Trying to setup an HP DeskJet 600C. LinuxPrinting says the printer is supported perfectly and hwinfo detects the printer on the parallel port, but when I try to add it via gnome-cups it can't detect it. Attempts to add it manually have resulted in gnome-cups presuming it a network printer despite explicitly stating local. |
| 04:01.02 | thully | The biggest issue is that it uses knoppix init scripts out of the box - other than that it's debian w/a custom kernel and a few small configuration utilities from Knoppix |
| 04:01.16 | thingfish | then it's not debian |
| 04:01.31 | thully | Is there a way to debianize it after install |
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| 04:01.53 | npx | thully, yeah just add debian repos and delete the init scripts |
| 04:02.09 | astronut | except had to do a hard link for /dev/cdrom |
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| 04:02.13 | npx | or apt-get remove --purge them, whatever |
| 04:02.24 | Crell42 | Hm. This tutorial says to make sure I use spaces, not tabs, in the courier auth config file. |
| 04:02.25 | thully | astronut: some people don't have networking supported by the debian installer |
| 04:02.27 | abrotman | thully: no .. it can never be debian |
| 04:02.31 | Crell42 | But the default file from the .deb package is all tabs. |
| 04:02.46 | astronut | thully: ya..tried to do that on an old laptop with a PCMIA nework card, no go |
| 04:02.51 | astronut | but it wouldn't do CD boot so w/e |
| 04:03.04 | npx | abrotman, err, I used to use progeny's installer to install debian, then dist-upgraded to unstable |
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| 04:03.20 | npx | end result was the same as if I'd used a kosher debian installer |
| 04:03.21 | astronut | who or what is progeny? |
| 04:03.23 | thully | does that give you real debian? |
| 04:03.39 | npx | as far as linux installations go, the ends justify the means |
| 04:04.03 | rob0 | astronut: who="Ian Murdock" |
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| 04:04.19 | abrotman | npx: no .. it's not |
| 04:04.24 | astronut | rob0: is it just a custom installer or is it another distro based on debian |
| 04:04.47 | astronut | ? |
| 04:04.51 | brynjarh | astronut, it's another distro based on debian |
| 04:04.55 | npx | abrotman okay, *WHY* not? |
| 04:04.57 | astronut | ah |
| 04:05.10 | Guerin | !notdebian |
| 04:05.11 | dpkg | Debian is all about policy. Policy guides everything. Knoppix does not have Debian policy, ergo it is not Debian. |
| 04:05.21 | abrotman | npx: because we can never be sure what progeny/knoppix has done |
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| 04:05.31 | thully | what if you dist-upgrade |
| 04:05.38 | npx | That's why you use debian repositories and dist-upgrade |
| 04:05.59 | abrotman | npx: not the same |
| 04:06.07 | abrotman | npx: it doesn't start as debian |
| 04:06.11 | npx | look, thully, fuck this silliness, use mortalkanopix to install debian then dist-upgrade to unstable |
| 04:06.18 | Crell42 | What's the default port for POP3 again? |
| 04:06.26 | Crell42 | Hm, never mind, I don't have it installed anyway. |
| 04:06.30 | Guerin | thully: still not. All non-debian distros include many config changes, different software, etc - most even include nonstandard packages which aren't removed in dist-upgrade because they're not in the debian archive |
| 04:06.31 | npx | And don't tell anyone you did so when you ask questions here |
| 04:06.46 | Guerin | !lart npx |
| 04:06.54 | Guerin | npx: fuck off and die, now. |
| 04:07.18 | Guerin | thully: just use debootstrap to install from within $shit_livecd_of_your_choice |
| 04:07.36 | abrotman | npx: you're an asshole |
| 04:07.49 | abrotman | npx: if thully comes in here . Guerin and i will remember |
| 04:07.53 | fbred | I have just bought a SB Audigy LS-soundcard, but I cant get it working. The problem is described at http://foo.moo.no/alsa.txt, if anyone has a suggestions, please tell me. |
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| 04:08.06 | rob0 | I'm doing that debootstrap thing from Ubuntu |
| 04:08.07 | npx | thully, while you're doing so, castrate yourself with a spoon and watch re-runs of Friends |
| 04:08.19 | john | .... |
| 04:08.23 | john | Otherwise it wont work right. |
| 04:08.31 | abrotman | !d-i |
| 04:08.31 | dpkg | rumour has it, d-i is the new installer for sarge (debian 3.1), at http://www.debian.org/devel/debian-installer/ or see #debian-boot, but don't pester the d-i devs with unrelated questions, or see <debian-installer> |
| 04:08.36 | abrotman | works fine for most people |
| 04:08.44 | Guerin | and don't whine about old laptops |
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| 04:09.03 | Guerin | I've installed it on several laptops from the snd millennium, and it's been fine. |
| 04:09.09 | thully | old laptops - this one is a recent centrino-based model |
| 04:09.09 | rob0 | I'm doing it on an old laptop ;) |
| 04:09.10 | Guerin | s/snd/2nd/ |
| 04:09.28 | npx | Guerin I thought you were referring to 'the time before alsa' for a second =/ |
| 04:09.33 | Guerin | thully: oh, one of those ones without a proper network card? |
| 04:09.50 | thully | I have a card - just no access to a wired network |
| 04:10.01 | thully | I do use wi-fi a lot though |
| 04:10.02 | abrotman | Guerin: i wish you luck with sunday :) |
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| 04:10.21 | rob0 | ISTM that the debootstrap might not have things configured right, since I used aptitude to get a lot of things into the chroot, but no /proc mounted therein (and running on wrong kernel anyway.) |
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| 04:10.43 | rob0 | I guess I'll find out soon :) |
| 04:10.48 | jdhutchin1 | rob0, debootstrap doesn't configure anything for you |
| 04:11.01 | jdhutchin1 | but the manual walks you through it |
| 04:11.15 | Guerin | haha |
| 04:11.18 | cwood | Good evening again. Tried ensuring that ext(2|3)fs and ide support were compiled in, instead of as modules... same result, machine boot just gets to "uncompressing Linux booting kernel"... and then stops. |
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| 04:11.22 | rob0 | aptitude runs a lot of dpkg-reconfigure things, when installing? |
| 04:11.37 | Guerin | people who don't have wired networks, complaining about their OSen not supporting them properly, what a joke. |
| 04:11.44 | rob0 | cwood: sounds like wrong CPU selected |
| 04:12.00 | jdhutchin1 | rob0, it doesn't write /etc/fstab for you |
| 04:12.02 | cwood | i386. Didn't go for anything more complicated. |
| 04:12.14 | cwood | Same as choice from the working .config. |
| 04:12.17 | rob0 | jdhutchin1: good point, thx. |
| 04:13.04 | thully | Guerin: I use wi-fi a lot and use a dial-up modem (and can download ISOs at a Windows machine) - I don't think this configuration is unreasonable |
| 04:13.09 | brynjarh | What's wrong when you can't seem to kill a process? I have a process running "11227 ? 00:00:00 wineserver", I can't kill it, I tried like an hour ago to do "kill -9 11227" and now again. |
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| 04:13.40 | cwood | I am at something of a loss. Heh. |
| 04:13.54 | rob0 | brynjarh: sounds like a stat "D", uninteruptible sleep |
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| 04:14.49 | brynjarh | rob0, so what are my options if my goal is to kill it? |
| 04:14.58 | Guerin | thully: it's unreasonable because you chose a wifi setup which is not supported in the OS you want to use. |
| 04:15.07 | Crell42 | brynjarh: Hire a hit man? |
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| 04:15.42 | raven | hi, is it possible to get a netinstal image that has the 2.6.5 kernel, and not the latest 2.6.8 or 2.6.9? |
| 04:15.46 | brynjarh | Crell42, heh |
| 04:15.46 | brynjarh | brynjarh@HAL:~$ hitmam |
| 04:15.47 | brynjarh | bash: hitmam: command not found |
| 04:15.57 | brynjarh | oh a typo |
| 04:15.59 | thully | this is a common wi-fi setup that other distros support - why is it that unreasonable |
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| 04:16.24 | Pakz | anyone buy stuff from abc warehouse? |
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| 04:16.44 | john | abc distributions? |
| 04:16.54 | Pakz | warehouse |
| 04:17.05 | Pakz | abcwarehouse.com |
| 04:17.07 | brynjarh | Is there no way to kill/end a process that doesn't go away with the command "kill -9"? |
| 04:17.16 | secher | does anyone know of drivers for the linksys wpc54gs wireless pcmcia nic? I've been looking, but can only find the ndis wrapper, and I really don't want to muck about with my upgrade path. I am running unstable. |
| 04:17.16 | Pakz | they sell stuff and it says 'Or less...' dunno what 'or less means' |
| 04:17.34 | Guerin | raven: why? |
| 04:17.45 | Guerin | brynjarh: depends. |
| 04:18.38 | nvz | Pakz: FYI: this isnt abcwarehouse.com's support channel. |
| 04:18.43 | brynjarh | Guerin, well what can I try? If you know some documents on this problem then please tell.. |
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| 04:18.51 | Pakz | jus askn |
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| 04:19.21 | Newport | hi can someone tell me how to unzip a .ACE file? |
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| 04:19.33 | raven | guerin: can get any of the current netinstal CDs to recognize my SATA drive. I've read on a forum that 2.6.5 kernel will still use an older driver that will work with the nForce3 chipset I got. |
| 04:19.41 | raven | guerin: can=can't |
| 04:19.42 | raven | hehe |
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| 04:19.49 | npx | Newport I've never seen a .ACE file with legal contents |
| 04:20.14 | Guerin | raven: ask in #debian-boot; make a custom d-i; try to find an old d-i cd. |
| 04:20.14 | npx | they usually contain a multipart .rar archive which in turn contains a .zip which contains a .tar.gz |
| 04:20.16 | Newport | its a zip of mame games |
| 04:20.19 | Get_It | Hello, using ip link list , i notice that my eth0 shows promisc, and with ifconfig it does not , what can be happening here ? is this normal ? |
| 04:20.27 | LinuxNIT | i need a progream that will allow me to sync a ipaq to a progam like a microsoft outlook. any one know of a program? |
| 04:20.32 | raven | guerin: ok, thanks |
| 04:20.32 | brynjarh | Guerin, I get this trouble allot with wineserver, and I have always had to just reboot to get rid of it, and I really need to get rid of it because wine isn't working while it's there. |
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| 04:21.00 | Guerin | !tell brynjarh about zombie |
| 04:21.19 | Raf256_ | is 'ps' 3.2.4 broken? because it isnt showing all processes (compared to /proc/ directory) |
| 04:21.41 | demon | anyone know if 'dpkg-divert' will work on a directory? is there anything special I need to do? |
| 04:22.00 | demon | or does it have to be done on each individual file? |
| 04:22.16 | skyisblue | Newport: apt-get install unace |
| 04:22.43 | Newport | THANKS!!!!!!! |
| 04:22.57 | skyisblue | Newport: or aptitude and "/" "unace" "+" "g" "g" |
| 04:23.08 | cwood | ps isn't necessarily going to show what's in /proc, since /proc and your current process id's change constantly. |
| 04:23.34 | cwood | even 'ps -ef | less' in one terminal and then 'ls /proc' in another immediately after will be different |
| 04:24.57 | brynjarh | Guerin, any easy way to find the parent? I'm just killing random processes right now that I don't know what do to try to find it.. :) |
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| 04:25.11 | demon | anybody know anything about dpkg-divert? |
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| 04:25.30 | Newport | File compressed with unknown method. Decompression not possible |
| 04:25.38 | Newport | doh! |
| 04:26.08 | vlad|UT2K4 | does anyone know where I cane get the Vojtek joystick driver? |
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| 04:27.50 | skyisblue | Newport: the game of name? |
| 04:27.50 | Newport | uhh |
| 04:27.52 | Newport | its "Vipers Conker's Bad Fur Day.ace" |
| 04:28.11 | npx | ... |
| 04:28.20 | Newport | but has a c00, c01, c02, c03, c04, c05 |
| 04:28.28 | npx | it's a multipart archive |
| 04:28.37 | Newport | yup |
| 04:28.42 | cwood | brynjarh: ps auxfw |
| 04:29.11 | fbred | I have just bought a SB Audigy LS-soundcard, but I cant get it working. The problem is described at http://foo.moo.no/alsa.txt, if anyone has suggestions, please tell me. |
| 04:29.16 | vlad|UT2K4 | looks like I have to roll a tarball |
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| 04:31.57 | skyisblue | Newport: have no idea. http://www.happypenguin.org for you |
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| 04:34.12 | Newport | cool site |
| 04:34.33 | Newport | not sure it will help me extract this game but looks like lots of cool games on there |
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| 04:35.11 | nz17 | How can I test to see if the port SMTP uses is blocked? |
| 04:35.31 | cwood | nz17: telnet hostname 25 from somewhere it's supposed to be blocked from |
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| 04:35.37 | skyisblue | ;) |
| 04:35.56 | Jaay | i want to install sid on a machine with the netinst disc. do i have to use sarge apt sources? |
| 04:36.00 | nz17 | Ty |
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| 04:36.48 | nz17 | Lately, for whatever reason, I can't sent out mail via SMTP no matter what client I use on my workstation. |
| 04:36.58 | nz17 | I'm not sure what if anything might be causing this. |
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| 04:38.00 | Guerin | Jaay: yes. |
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| 04:38.42 | skyisblue | Jaay: /msg dpkg sarge->sid |
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| 04:39.02 | Guerin | !kill skyisblue |
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| 04:39.12 | Jaay | ok thank you because i added a sarge source and it seems to be installing all testing |
| 04:39.24 | Guerin | Jaay: don't install sid |
| 04:39.28 | Newport | skyisblue, u said "aptitude and "/" "unace" "+" "g" "g" what do u mean by this? |
| 04:39.45 | Guerin | dpkg, no, sarge->sid is <reply> see iyhtays |
| 04:39.46 | dpkg | okay, Guerin |
| 04:40.26 | Jaay | hmm |
| 04:40.49 | skyisblue | Newport: find the way package and install it using aptitude |
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| 04:42.22 | Newport | ahhh |
| 04:42.33 | Newport | im thinking wine + winace right now :) |
| 04:42.45 | morbius | anybody know where i could find out what the different browser codes mean? eg. (Windows; U; Windows NT 5.1; en-US; rv:1.7.5) Gecko/41107 Firefox/1.0 = FireFox 1.0 |
| 04:42.58 | skyisblue | that's good for you. |
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| 04:43.33 | satHan | apt-get --list doesn't work anymore, where can I get a similar list of packages? |
| 04:43.55 | Guerin | Newport: there's a static ace binary at the winace hoepage |
| 04:44.01 | |XO| | what would i use to do bandwidth control based on ip? |
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| 04:44.26 | Newport | i have crossover office.. so i am installing the latest winace now :) |
| 04:44.31 | Guerin | satHan: dpkg -l |awk '/^ii/ {print $2}' |
| 04:44.47 | archpollux | is lirc-modules-source supposed to not support kernel 2.6? |
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| 04:45.09 | satHan | Guerin: thanks |
| 04:45.21 | satHan | Guerin: Do you know why it went away? |
| 04:45.29 | deadcat | can someone confirm that the slot for the apple airport card is a pcmcia slot inside the snow ibook? |
| 04:45.35 | holy_cow | damn |
| 04:46.04 | Guerin | satHan: read the changelog |
| 04:46.37 | Guerin | satHan: oh, that line will need COLUMNS=200 in front to stop packagenames from getting truncated |
| 04:47.12 | Raf256_ | how can I compare two directories (in comamnd line) that is - find with files differes (and how), also analyze sub-directories? |
| 04:47.35 | Guerin | Raf256_: direct find or ls output to a file and use diff or eyeometer |
| 04:48.38 | archpollux | Raf256_: diff |
| 04:48.48 | archpollux | Raf256_: recursive diff |
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| 04:49.34 | Newport | heh |
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| 04:50.08 | Newport | well winace 2.5 beta is not quite working using wine :) guess ill have to find an older bin |
| 04:50.44 | FieldySnuts | ravenbird: lart wine |
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| 04:51.31 | Eagle101 | Hello Everyoneeeeeeee.... |
| 04:51.40 | dnyde | is there *any* version of debian that uses x.org? |
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| 04:52.12 | Guerin | dnyde: no. |
| 04:52.18 | FieldySnuts | thank god |
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| 04:54.09 | proto__ | exit |
| 04:54.37 | marinos | There are 15 CDs for the Debian Sarge installation with the new installer on http://cdimage.debian.org/pub/weekly/i386/ ...which of them are needed to build a system with X and Gnome ? |
| 04:55.07 | karsten | marinos: CDs include most popular software first. |
| 04:55.12 | Eagle101 | marinos: i installed everything with 1 cd |
| 04:55.32 | karsten | marinos: You should be able to install a pretty complete system with 1 disk. However, if you're downloading *anyway*, a netinst is more efficient. |
| 04:55.42 | Eagle101 | marinos: of course i had to install the rest from the apt-server... |
| 04:55.42 | marinos | karsten: oww that means the first 1-2 CD's will be enough |
| 04:55.49 | karsten | marinos: Use install CDs *only* if you don't have good, reliable broadband. |
| 04:56.09 | marinos | Eagle101: i made an installation with the netinstallcd really cool :) |
| 04:56.32 | marinos | the point is to make an installation offline |
| 04:56.34 | karsten | marinos: As a general rule, yes. Note that Debian unstable includes ~17,500+ packages. However a relatively rich installation might only have 1500-2500 installed. |
| 04:56.52 | skyisblue | marinos: net floppy is cool |
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| 04:57.03 | karsten | marinos: A full CD set is _most_ useful IMO for populating a local archive. However apt-proxy itself does much of tat. |
| 04:57.06 | karsten | s/tat/that/ |
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| 04:57.31 | marinos | karsten: apt-proxy ? |
| 04:58.00 | marinos | karsten: oh it millds some kind of mirror ? |
| 04:58.08 | marinos | s/millds/builds |
| 04:58.20 | karsten | !apt-proxy |
| 04:58.20 | dpkg | from memory, apt-proxy is a cool proxy for lots of Debian machines on a network together. Watch out for the upcoming 1.3.0 version which supports http backends too |
| 04:58.35 | Eagle101 | help. does anyone know a good book or a good online documentation that i can start to read and learn alot about linux...;) |
| 04:59.00 | karsten | marinos: yes. Local proxy which automatically archives packages used locally, restricts upstream fetches as configured, etc. Greatly reduces your outbound bandwidth requirements. |
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| 04:59.09 | marinos | thats nice :) |
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| 04:59.36 | marinos | karsten: god for larger networks |
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| 05:00.20 | karsten | marinos: Good, even. |
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| 05:00.57 | marinos | yes |
| 05:01.25 | raven | hi, is there are netinstal CD available for SID? I checked debian.org and all i see is stable and testing. |
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| 05:01.49 | nvz | raven: use debian-installer for sarge |
| 05:01.51 | marinos | raven: install testing |
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| 05:01.58 | karsten | raven: Do netinst for sarge. Upgrade to sid. |
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| 05:02.16 | raven | i can't, because the kernel 2.6.8 that loads with the CD doesn't detect my SATA drive. |
| 05:02.19 | fbred | I have just bought a SB Audigy LS-soundcard, but I cant get it working. The problem is described at http://foo.moo.no/alsa.txt, if anyone has suggestions, please tell me. |
| 05:02.33 | raven | i've read that 2.6.10 has a patch to kind of fix this problem |
| 05:02.46 | antipledge | http://home.comcast.net/~shitheaddestroyer/ revelations are taking place. the end is ahead. |
| 05:02.48 | karsten | raven: Then boot something that works and do a chroot install. Eg: Knoppix => debootstrap. |
| 05:02.54 | antipledge | http://home.comcast.net/~shitheaddestroyer/ |
| 05:02.54 | Crell42 | 2.6.8 = buggy. 2.6.10 = fixes bugs in 2.6.8 |
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| 05:03.14 | karsten | lilo: Did you catch that? He's been spamming around? |
| 05:03.20 | karsten | lilo: antipledge. |
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| 05:03.25 | raven | any idea when 2.6.10 might be moved to testing, including the daily builds of netisntall? |
| 05:03.35 | PAW-[Away] | Is there a command I can type which will show me the link type on eth0? |
| 05:03.48 | karsten | Windpaw: Um. 'ifconfig'? |
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| 05:03.57 | pavel2 | makemoneyonline: http://www.freewebs.com/sfera/index.htm |
| 05:04.03 | [puRpLeHaZe] | can any1 tell me why rox thinks my mp3s are binary files? |
| 05:04.05 | skyisblue | raven: have you tried mepis? |
| 05:04.10 | karsten | Windpaw: What do you mean by link type? |
| 05:04.19 | nvz | [puRpLeHaZe]: because they are binary files? |
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| 05:04.22 | evilmegaman | how do I start up the x server so I can use KDE? Because when I startkde it says cannot connect to xserver |
| 05:04.23 | Windpaw | karsten: 10mbit, 100mbit, half duplex, full duplex |
| 05:04.42 | [puRpLeHaZe] | with binary i mean executables |
| 05:04.43 | [puRpLeHaZe] | sry |
| 05:04.44 | raven | skyisblue: no idea what that is? the problem I'm having is described here: http://bugme.osdl.org/show_bug.cgi?id=3352 |
| 05:04.57 | skyisblue | !mepis |
| 05:04.58 | dpkg | MEPIS is a Debian Unstable-based liveCD distribution similar to Knoppix, with its own hardware detection system. Uses KDE by default, and includes the nVidia proprietary 3D driver. It also includes a custom installer on the KDE desktop, with simple LILO configuration. See http://www.mepis.org. It is NOT real Debian, attempts to use apt-get with Debian mirrors will meet with a world of hurt. |
| 05:05.02 | nvz | [puRpLeHaZe]: maybe they are executable files? |
| 05:05.24 | nvz | [puRpLeHaZe]: why not just give an exact error along with your question and try again |
| 05:05.31 | karsten | Windpaw: Not sure. Usually your connect message shows that. Check syslog. |
| 05:05.37 | [puRpLeHaZe] | i want rox to assign xmms to mp3 files |
| 05:05.38 | skyisblue | evilmegaman: startx |
| 05:05.40 | Guerin | skyisblue: do you do anything other than tell people not to use debian? |
| 05:05.52 | karsten | !ops |
| 05:05.53 | dpkg | Please invoke 'dpkg ops $problem' to call the ops to deal with a specific problem |
| 05:05.57 | [puRpLeHaZe] | but rox shows them up as executables like shell scripts :/ |
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| 05:06.04 | Windpaw | karsten: thanks |
| 05:06.10 | raven | hehe, i really want to use debian. damn it. This kernel bug is freaking me out. |
| 05:06.12 | evilmegaman | ok. startx didn't work skyisblue. I can't remember why |
| 05:06.20 | [puRpLeHaZe] | other files ie pics are directly shown up as pictures cozof the mime type |
| 05:06.23 | [puRpLeHaZe] | but mp3s are not |
| 05:06.30 | vlad|UT2K4 | does anyon have experience setting up a joystick? |
| 05:06.33 | skyisblue | evilmegaman: error message is there? |
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| 05:06.50 | evilmegaman | I think so. How do I get IRC for command line? |
| 05:07.22 | Crell42 | evilmegaman: apt-get install BitchX ? |
| 05:07.32 | vlad|UT2K4 | apy-get install irssi-text |
| 05:07.46 | vlad|UT2K4 | apt* |
| 05:07.50 | nvz | I don't think rox is even in debian anyhow |
| 05:08.02 | jeanmi_ | the system tell me that 0x03e8 irq=3 is already busy, when I try to load a module. how can I know what is making it busy ? |
| 05:08.06 | evilmegaman | Ok :) thanks crell42 and vlad :) |
| 05:08.21 | evilmegaman | brb |
| 05:08.24 | lilo | klined it |
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| 05:09.08 | nvz | jeanmi_: look in /proc/interrupts/, /proc/pci/, perhaps with lspci |
| 05:09.22 | peterS | nvz: /proc/pci is a file not a directory (: |
| 05:09.34 | skyisblue | raven: that's why i suggest you mepis.. |
| 05:09.43 | toresbe | peterS: your smile is wrong-endian |
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| 05:09.53 | nvz | peterS: ah, that would explain why I had to type it that way and irssi would not complete it |
| 05:10.02 | raven | skyisblue: well, but I've read that 2.6.10 fixed the problem, so that it will actually see my hard drive during installation. |
| 05:10.08 | peterS | toresbe: it's not. it's the right way up. most people make upside-down smilies |
| 05:10.09 | Windpaw | hrmm, syslog doesn't show much |
| 05:10.11 | Windpaw | just that its half duplex |
| 05:10.22 | raven | maybe i will just wait for a testing netinstall image that has the 2.6.10 kernel |
| 05:10.24 | nvz | peterS: oh, stfu. |
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| 05:10.35 | skyisblue | raven: then good luck |
| 05:10.38 | peterS | nvz: you might just not have one at all. 2.6 debian kernels don't. |
| 05:10.39 | toresbe | Heh, PDP-endian smile: (:- |
| 05:10.40 | nvz | peterS: as if there were a right way to make a sideways smily |
| 05:10.45 | peterS | toresbe: haha |
| 05:10.45 | raven | skyisblue: thanks :) |
| 05:10.48 | pipeline | heh, winace works fine in the debian packaged wine |
| 05:11.15 | peterS | nvz: if you read the spine of a book on a shelf, you turn your head one specific way. same for my smilie. opposite for most people's smilies, or books published in French |
| 05:12.11 | nvz | peterS: 6 in one, half a dozen in the other. |
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| 05:12.43 | toresbe | peterS: Interestingly, I noticed that all my books were the wrong way - but then I realized it was right and i had just gotten used to read smilies :) |
| 05:12.45 | jeanmi_ | nvz hmmm if something there is supposed to use the given IRQ, how do I know ? I see stuff like " 11: 676302 XT-PIC yenta, yenta, ESS Maestro 2E, uhci_hcd, eth0" in /proc/interrupts |
| 05:12.47 | peterS | nvz: people say the same of endianness, but I still think little-endian is objectively better |
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| 05:12.59 | nvz | peterS: the fact is none of us turn our heads sideways every time people use a smily that its going to matter. |
| 05:13.04 | toresbe | peterS: I agree |
| 05:13.05 | Guerin | peterS: definitely is for dates |
| 05:13.36 | peterS | Guerin: oh, I dunno about dates, I'm kind of a fan of ISO 8601 |
| 05:13.39 | skyisblue | :)(: |
| 05:13.40 | peterS | Guerin: which is big-endian |
| 05:13.47 | Guerin | peterS: which is? |
| 05:13.50 | toresbe | skyisblue is a MIPS processor |
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| 05:13.56 | toresbe | :) |
| 05:13.58 | peterS | Guerin: ISO-8601 is 2005-01-15 |
| 05:14.01 | skyisblue | XD |
| 05:14.02 | Guerin | oh |
| 05:14.07 | Guerin | that's what I mean |
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| 05:14.18 | peterS | that's big-endian - most significant field first |
| 05:14.29 | toresbe | peterS: huh? |
| 05:14.33 | nsanity | is there a correct way to edit X configuration? |
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| 05:14.45 | peterS | toresbe: little-endian means least significant field first |
| 05:14.47 | toresbe | peterS: but... isn't... but... |
| 05:14.56 | nsanity | or can I just edit xf86config-4 as i wish? |
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| 05:15.02 | toresbe | peterS: Ah! |
| 05:15.02 | aurora | Does debian use Xorg 6.8 or Xfree 4.3 ?? |
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| 05:15.08 | nsanity | xfree |
| 05:15.09 | dadexter | xfree |
| 05:15.10 | aurora | sweet |
| 05:15.12 | aurora | thanks |
| 05:15.15 | toresbe | aurora: Xfree :( |
| 05:15.16 | simonrvn | the latter |
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| 05:15.19 | aurora | no i need xfree |
| 05:15.23 | aurora | because i have an ATI card |
| 05:15.25 | toresbe | ah |
| 05:15.29 | aurora | and FC3 uses Xorg 6.8 |
| 05:15.32 | warty | I'm ussing Knoppix 3.7 now, but formly used 3.6. I configuered my TV by trying combination after combination, and when i finly got it, i simply didn't remember witch one (xawtv). So, I'm asking is there any way that I know how I configuered it, so as to do it again? |
| 05:15.33 | aurora | and i cant install there drivers |
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| 05:15.40 | aurora | and DRI doesnt suppport a 9800 |
| 05:15.40 | doublehp | I have an empty XFS partition : /dev/sdb5 18G 61M 18G 1% /media/dhp_200g_arch-part5; is that normal to have 61M used ? |
| 05:15.41 | toresbe | Well, X.Org uses annoying stuff :) |
| 05:16.03 | peterS | toresbe: and for computer purposes, I'd rather have little-endian. big-endian is easier to sort, which is why ISO-8601 uses it for dates and times |
| 05:16.03 | toresbe | uh, s/annoying/cool/ :S |
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| 05:16.03 | Guerin | warty: we don't care; tell #knoppix |
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| 05:16.14 | aurora | lol |
| 05:16.15 | peterS | doublehp: for metadata including the journal, that doesn't seem at all excessive to me |
| 05:16.35 | doublehp | peterS: 61M to describe 'nothing' ? |
| 05:16.36 | RainbowW | need a reasonable package that will at least record digital input from firewire and output to mpeg (for burning to dvd) ... suggestions? being a debian package is not -strictly- required |
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| 05:16.46 | peterS | doublehp: yes |
| 05:17.02 | peterS | doublehp: I'm guessing most of that is the journal |
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| 05:17.11 | Get_It | Bye |
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| 05:17.19 | aurora | <PROTECTED> |
| 05:17.26 | doublehp | peterS: I thought the journal was between the beginning of the part, and the beg of filesystem ... |
| 05:17.39 | toresbe | peterS: Oh - I haven't had much exposure to endianness, so I just assumed big-endian = big in the end :P |
| 05:17.44 | peterS | doublehp: you're thinking of the boot block or partition table. the journal is part of a filesystem, normally |
| 05:17.59 | aurora | Fuck im out of CDr |
| 05:18.07 | peterS | toresbe: heh. the term is actually a reference to classic literature, and doesn't have any special meaning of its own, except the meaning we attach to it |
| 05:18.14 | RainbowW | aurora: 7-11 sells them. |
| 05:18.15 | aurora | i dont wanna burn Debian netinst onto a DVDr |
| 05:18.25 | toresbe | peterS: Yeah, the egg-one :) |
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| 05:18.37 | skyisblue | RainbowW: http://gdvrecv.sf.net |
| 05:18.44 | peterS | toresbe: right |
| 05:18.46 | Guerin | jethro: don't talk about your sisters like that |
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| 05:18.58 | peterS | !guerin++ |
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| 05:19.10 | jethro | actually I wouldn't shag my sis |
| 05:19.23 | karsten | Anyone care to give me a five minute pointer in Linux / Unix file handling, to the effect that you can modify / delete files which are open to a process in Linux, but not Windows? |
| 05:19.28 | jethro | I have a moral, even if it doesn't look so |
| 05:19.32 | RainbowW | skyisblue: yer a god-like being. thank you. :) |
| 05:19.42 | peterS | karsten: eh? what's there to say other than "you can"? |
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| 05:19.47 | cinix | Is KDE broken in testing right now? |
| 05:19.52 | karsten | peterS: How about "why"? |
| 05:19.58 | skyisblue | RainbowW: glad to see you like it. :) |
| 05:20.05 | deadcat | can someone confirm that the slot for the apple airport card is a pcmcia slot inside the snow ibook? |
| 05:20.10 | peterS | karsten: basically, Windows programs have a tradition of using mandatory file locks *a lot*; not all unixes even *support* mandatory locks |
| 05:20.13 | karsten | peterS: ...and if it helps, I've got a couple of books here including Stevens "Advanced Programming in the UNIX Environment". |
| 05:20.23 | karsten | peterS: Does Linux? |
| 05:20.26 | peterS | karsten: mandatory meaning, enforced by the OS even on processes that don't explicitly partitipate by taking locks |
| 05:20.43 | karsten | peterS: Right. My understanding is that flock() is *just* advisory. |
| 05:20.53 | findme | how do i check version of my glibc ? |
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| 05:20.56 | peterS | karsten: anyway, Windows programs usually lock files they open - the OS might even enforce the ban on deleting said files even in the absence of the process taking a lock |
| 05:21.07 | karsten | peterS: man (2) flock. |
| 05:21.26 | peterS | karsten: Linux has mandatory locks but it's kind of a weird situation. I think you have to mount the filesystem in question with a mount option for 'bsd behavior' or some such |
| 05:21.51 | peterS | and yes, most of the time, Unix / Linux file locks are advisory only - they only protect you if all processes concerned follow the same locking rules |
| 05:21.52 | slow_nfs_kernel_ | good evening. I have not set up a cacheing dns_server on my laptop (i dont really know how). As a result, when it is not connected to the network - so that the netwwork nameserver is not accessible, my laptop waits for 1 minute and 40 seconds to boot during the running of the command /sbin/exportfs -r on the entries of /etc/exports such as /mirror 192.168.*.*(ro). why is this, and what can i do to repair this? thanks |
| 05:21.52 | karsten | peterS: ...do you get extra time for bsd behavior? |
| 05:21.53 | toresbe | peterS: I believe the correct term is "unices" - hah! :) |
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| 05:21.55 | Guerin | findme: dpkg -l libc6 |
| 05:21.59 | peterS | karsten: heh |
| 05:22.16 | cinix | kdelibs seems to want to upgrade to kde3.3, but that conflicts with kde and all it's core components. |
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| 05:22.36 | karsten | slow_nfs_kernel_: Hrm. Can you add an entry in /etc/hosts? |
| 05:22.43 | Guerin | slow_nfs_kernel_: add some entries to /etc/hosts? |
| 05:22.45 | Eagle101 | help. does anyone know a good book or a good online documentation that i can start to read and learn alot about linux...;) |
| 05:22.58 | FieldySnuts | ravenbird: lart nfs |
| 05:23.07 | findme | Guerin, thanks |
| 05:23.12 | Xenguy | Eagle101: yeah, sec... |
| 05:23.18 | Guerin | Eagle101: basics, or what? |
| 05:23.19 | karsten | Guerin: Jynx. |
| 05:23.23 | nsanity | So is there a specific way to edit the X config? |
| 05:23.27 | Guerin | karsten: hah. |
| 05:23.30 | peterS | karsten: the 'mand' mount option, according to 'man 8 mount', is what enables mandatory locks. I was wrong about it being related to "BSD behavior" |
| 05:23.34 | karsten | Eagle101: google linux ;-) |
| 05:23.35 | slow_nfs_kernel_ | what do you mean Guerien and karsten? those are there in /etc/hostfs from before |
| 05:23.38 | Guerin | nsanity: /msg dpkg sing bob |
| 05:23.39 | Guerin | 2 |
| 05:23.42 | Eagle101 | Guerin: yea the basics for now..for example how Linux works, about the X server, and etc. |
| 05:23.45 | karsten | peterS: OK. |
| 05:23.50 | nsanity | <PROTECTED> |
| 05:24.01 | Guerin | nsanity: /msg dpkg sing bob2 |
| 05:24.02 | simonrvn | without the space |
| 05:24.02 | Xenguy | Eagle101: http://www.togaware.com/linux/survivor/ |
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| 05:24.20 | slow_nfs_kernel_ | i suspect it has to do with the lack of a nameserver cause it doenst happen when i am on the network |
| 05:24.31 | nsanity | Guerin: nothing happened |
| 05:24.42 | simonrvn | @kill root IRCers |
| 05:25.01 | skyisblue | RainbowW: http://helix-producer.helixcommunity.org |
| 05:25.13 | slow_nfs_kernel_ | i wish i knew how to set up te local nameserve |
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| 05:25.38 | skyisblue | RainbowW: for more type "firewire" in freshmeat.net |
| 05:25.41 | Crell42 | slow_nfs_kernel_: You mean a private DNS, like behind a firewall? |
| 05:25.45 | nsanity | Guerin: I don't get it? |
| 05:25.57 | simonrvn | nsanity: read what the bot said |
| 05:25.57 | karsten | Eagle101: Somewhat dated, but the commands reference (Appendix E) is pretty good: http://www.oreilly.com/catalog/debian/chapter/book/index.html |
| 05:26.06 | thully_ | hi - I wondered if sarge is going to be released soon - I know the answer to this is probably "when it is ready" but what is holding it up at this point |
| 05:26.07 | Guerin | !sing bob2 |
| 05:26.11 | Guerin | wtf |
| 05:26.15 | Guerin | someone changed it |
| 05:26.26 | simonrvn | someone did change it |
| 05:26.26 | slow_nfs_kernel_ | yeah. so that the machine would just look locally instead of looking for the nameserver from verizon which isnt there |
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| 05:26.33 | simonrvn | @sig bob2 |
| 05:26.35 | Guerin | nsanity: dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xfree86 |
| 05:26.36 | simonrvn | @sing bob2 |
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| 05:26.37 | ravenbird | dpkg dpkg dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xfree86, sing it again! |
| 05:26.38 | Eagle101 | Xenguy: thanks alot about the link |
| 05:26.45 | Eagle101 | karsten: thanks alot about the link |
| 05:26.49 | Guerin | probably bob2 changed it so he didn't get pinged every time someone called it |
| 05:26.52 | Crell42 | slow_nfs_kernel_: bind9 is a byatch of a config file, but it's fairly straightforward. I have a DNS server of my own behind a firewall. |
| 05:26.54 | nsanity | simonrvn: it didn't say anything useful |
| 05:27.13 | karsten | Eagle101: Note that that's now *six* years old. A lot of stuff in packaging has changed. Read it for gist but not specifics. |
| 05:27.25 | Xenguy | Eagle101: yw - have fun :-) |
| 05:27.37 | simonrvn | nsanity: ^^^^ |
| 05:27.49 | Guerin | Eagle101: ok. Start out with the unix and internet fundamentals doc; if that's too patronising for you (it probably will be, since it's ESR), go for some of the stuff on http://www.tldp.org/ |
| 05:28.01 | karsten | Eagle101: Chapters 1, 2, 4 6, 7, 8, 11, 12, 13, and appendices should be pretty good. |
| 05:28.02 | Guerin | Eagle101: /msg dpkg fundamentals |
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| 05:28.33 | karsten | Eagle101: Otherwise, there's a lot of *really* good *and* current docs at http://www.debian.org/ under the "Documentation" link. |
| 05:28.35 | slow_nfs_kernel_ | bind9 is a mystery. i have read many documents. i have read about tinydns and djbdns and i have thrown up my hands |
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| 05:28.54 | deadcat | simonrvn: does any of your apple Macs have airport card inside? is it possible to use an orinoco instead of airport? will it fit? |
| 05:29.07 | rdancer | Guerin: esr and *patronizing* 8-) i always thought he waw precise... |
| 05:29.13 | thully_ | I don't have wired networking and it would be much easier if I could snag some official ISOs to install onto my laptop |
| 05:29.14 | Guerin | thully_: it's being held back by some security-update issues at this stage. best guess is ~30 days from when the security updates come up. |
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| 05:29.16 | Crell42 | slow_nfs_kernel_: dbjdns is non-Free, ignore it. :-) |
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| 05:29.27 | artichoke | ...well that was a disappointment...burned the netinst disc and installed, to find no wlan-ng? no prism?? |
| 05:29.29 | Guerin | rdancer: hahaha |
| 05:29.38 | simonrvn | deadcat: a) b) yes c) NFC |
| 05:29.42 | Crell42 | There's a good HowTo around here somewhere that I used, hold on.... |
| 05:29.46 | simonrvn | deadcat: a) no b) yes c) NFC |
| 05:29.53 | Guerin | thully_: there are none. |
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| 05:30.05 | nsanity | Guerin: thanks |
| 05:30.11 | thully_ | then I could install my system and all the sources etc. for the kernel, then compile the modules I need |
| 05:30.13 | deadcat | !nfc |
| 05:30.14 | dpkg | somebody said nfc was No Fucking Clue. National Football Conference |
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| 05:30.44 | Guerin | thully_: just get unofficial cd1 if you need to - then you can download some stuff by dialup until you get your wireless network up... or you could just go and blow $5 on an ethernet cable... |
| 05:30.50 | Crell42 | slow_nfs_kernel_: http://www.tldp.org/HOWTO/DNS-HOWTO.html - That's the howto I learned from. :-) |
| 05:30.51 | artichoke | is there a straightforward way to get prism chipset support for the debian netinst? |
| 05:30.57 | Guardians_helper | Hey all: Anyone know a way of swapping from one root partition to another? |
| 05:31.03 | Crell42 | Give it a try. Be sure to apt-get bind9, not just bind. |
| 05:31.04 | thully_ | no what? |
| 05:31.05 | deadcat | artichoke: ya. load orinoco driver |
| 05:31.13 | Crell42 | If you have any questions, feel free to ask me if I'm still here. |
| 05:31.15 | Zalamander | Guardians_helper the chroot command |
| 05:31.17 | Guerin | thully_: no official sarge cds |
| 05:31.22 | rdancer | artichoke: just boot it |
| 05:31.25 | Crell42 | Just beware, the syntax IS insane. :-) |
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| 05:31.38 | artichoke | deadcat - modprobe orinoco.cs ?? |
| 05:31.40 | slow_nfs_kernel_ | if i comment out the link S20nfs-kernel-server from rc2.d so that it doesnt always get started, how can i start it ondemand - i guess just /etc/init.d/nfs-kernel-server start? |
| 05:31.44 | Guardians_helper | Zalamander: Will I be able to change the root partition from /dev/hda1 to /dev/sda1? |
| 05:32.00 | deadcat | artichoke: pcmcia or pci? modprobe orinoco_cs or orinoco_pci |
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| 05:32.01 | slow_nfs_kernel_ | then i will only wait if i need to use it :) |
| 05:32.04 | artichoke | pcmcia |
| 05:32.08 | deadcat | cs |
| 05:32.23 | artichoke | deadcat - thank you. |
| 05:32.27 | Zalamander | Guardians_helper chroot allows you to assign a different partition as root. If you have a legitimate root partition on /dev/sda1 already, then chroot can shift you to it. |
| 05:32.31 | simonrvn | slow_nfs_kernel_: yes |
| 05:32.34 | skyisblue | Eagle101: apt-get install lg-all |
| 05:32.41 | artichoke | ill go try that out - thanks again |
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| 05:32.48 | simonrvn | slow_nfs_kernel_: but you don't comment out the symlink, you rm it |
| 05:32.54 | Eagle101 | skyisblue: whats that? |
| 05:33.04 | Guardians_helper | Zalamander: Thanks muchly. I'll give it a try. |
| 05:33.05 | rdancer | but does the netinst have wireless-tools? |
| 05:33.07 | thully_ | well - I use public wi-fi access most of the time - use dial-up at home |
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| 05:33.39 | slow_nfs_kernel_ | simonrvn: i have been doing mv S20nfs-kernel-server _S20nfs-kernel-server |
| 05:33.54 | simonrvn | slow_nfs_kernel_: that works. neat idea |
| 05:34.14 | slow_nfs_kernel_ | that way i dont forget what i did. |
| 05:34.14 | rdancer | $ comment YOU ARE NOT WORTH IT @ ./symlinkname |
| 05:34.18 | aurora | not to sound stupid, but on uptime it shows cpu load as 0.06 , what does that number mean exactly? |
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| 05:34.40 | peterS | aurora: load is how many processes, on average, are in need of CPU time |
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| 05:34.56 | aurora | so 0.06 means what? |
| 05:34.57 | loke | hello |
| 05:34.59 | aurora | :-\ |
| 05:35.00 | simonrvn | 0.35 0.73 1.19 |
| 05:35.02 | rdancer | !loadavg |
| 05:35.02 | aurora | it just confuses me |
| 05:35.02 | caskey | what's the command to show packges that would be upgraded if you were to run 'apt-get upgrade' ? |
| 05:35.02 | dpkg | i heard loadavg is the average load on the system, counted in "the number of CPUs you could run at 100% now". It isn't very accurate, but gives a good estimate. |
| 05:35.07 | Eagle101 | ksyisblue: after intalling all the linux gaz. how do i read them up, lol |
| 05:35.08 | simonrvn | 1 minute, 5 min, 15 min |
| 05:35.15 | peterS | aurora: 0.06 means that on average, no process is wanting the CPU; they're all waiting for user input or something, except 6 percent of the time, something does need CPU |
| 05:35.22 | aurora | ooh |
| 05:35.24 | aurora | okay thanks |
| 05:35.24 | skyisblue | :P |
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| 05:35.35 | loke | i just got a new 160GB sata harddrive, what do i have to do inorder for linux to see it, i also had to install a pci sata controller |
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| 05:35.47 | karsten | caskey: apt-get -s upgrade |
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| 05:35.54 | karsten | caskey: ...and answer "no". |
| 05:35.59 | caskey | karsten: awesome, thanks |
| 05:35.59 | slow_nfs_kernel_ | but what exactly is happening during the 1 minute and 40 second wait. what is the wait for? what is timing out? i think it is less for instance if i \ |
| 05:36.07 | rdancer | !tell loke about sata |
| 05:36.21 | simonrvn | @tell rdancer about rdancer |
| 05:36.36 | rdancer | !rdancer |
| 05:36.36 | dpkg | extra, extra, read all about it, rdancer is a hoopy frood!, or see rope-dancer |
| 05:36.38 | simonrvn | *grin* |
| 05:36.44 | simonrvn | ha |
| 05:36.48 | karsten | caskey: Erm. '-u', not '-s'. man apt-get & search "show" |
| 05:37.09 | rdancer | dpkg > ravenbird |
| 05:37.09 | dpkg | i heard ravenbird is so cool |
| 05:37.13 | simonrvn | @karstenback |
| 05:37.13 | ravenbird | Yeah. Whatever. SHUT UP!! |
| 05:37.14 | caskey | karsten: The -s was good enough, I just needed to grep it for a particular package to check. Thanks again. |
| 05:37.19 | karsten | caskey: NP. |
| 05:37.33 | rdancer | simonrvn: you ok? |
| 05:37.35 | karsten | caskey: ...and learn aptitude (commandline). It's got some bennies. |
| 05:37.37 | aurora | !Xorg |
| 05:37.38 | dpkg | xorg is an alternative X implementation (fork of XFree86 4.4RC2) from X.Org, current release is X11R6.8. It won't be packaged for Debian until after Sarge release. See http://necrotic.deadbeast.net/xsf/XFree86/trunk/debian/local/FAQ.xhtml#debianplans for more information. Ask me about 'get xorg' for unofficial xorg debs. |
| 05:37.40 | karsten | !tell caskey about aptitude |
| 05:37.44 | simonrvn | rdancer: oh yes |
| 05:37.48 | slow_nfs_kernel_ | is it doing a reverse dns on all the different 192.168.*.*? |
| 05:37.52 | karsten | caskey: ...last URL in that factoid. |
| 05:38.10 | caskey | thanks, problem sovled |
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| 05:38.26 | jose__ | hola |
| 05:38.37 | rdancer | ahojky, jose__ |
| 05:38.39 | simonrvn | rdancer: learning new stuff and accomplishing something always wakes me up |
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| 05:39.12 | krayton8 | hello? |
| 05:39.13 | skyisblue | Eagle101: if you gonna develop gnome,apt-get install devhelp-books |
| 05:39.21 | loke | do i need to patch 2.6.7 kernel with libata or does it already have support for sata? |
| 05:39.22 | simonrvn | hello left |
| 05:39.24 | PEACEYAL | how to i log in as root in debian? |
| 05:39.36 | loke | PEACEYAL type root |
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| 05:39.53 | rdancer | PEACEYAL: find your login screen first |
| 05:39.53 | PEACEYAL | ok |
| 05:39.55 | simonrvn | PEACEYAL: root is the user name. then type in your root passwd when it asks |
| 05:40.08 | simonrvn | and what rdancer said |
| 05:40.12 | PEACEYAL | ya but it sas cant log in to root using this |
| 05:40.16 | PEACEYAL | something like that |
| 05:40.19 | paoos | anyone interested working at home on the internet? join #workonline and we ll discuss about ways to make money by interacting on the internet. |
| 05:40.24 | rdancer | !tell PEACEYAL about eror |
| 05:40.30 | Eagle101 | skyisblue: now i dont want to develope anything...i just want to learn the basics of linux, about X server and other feauters so i can really understand linux |
| 05:40.32 | simonrvn | paoos: go spam nowhere |
| 05:40.37 | peterS | paoos: don't spam here |
| 05:40.45 | skyisblue | good |
| 05:40.51 | rdancer | !irritate paoos |
| 05:40.52 | dpkg | paoos: is there ne1 who cn answer my n00b q? who uses sound kk |
| 05:40.53 | simonrvn | @ops spammer -->Â paoos |
| 05:41.01 | maher | PEACEYAL: you can use su to become root in a terminal window |
| 05:41.04 | simonrvn | !ops spammer -->Â paoos |
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| 05:41.04 | dpkg | Hydroxide, bob2, caphuso, dondelelcaro, doogie, eeyore-, ElectricElf, greycat, helix, ljlane, LoRez, mentor, Netsnipe, TML, walters, xk: spammer -->Â paoos |
| 05:41.10 | PEACEYAL | ya but iu need to log in as root |
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| 05:41.20 | maher | PEACEYAL: why? |
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| 05:41.30 | loke | PEACEYAL login as a normal user and type su |
| 05:41.35 | slow_nfs_kernel_ | i am using sarge with 2.6.8 kernel and have raid1 as a module and i find that udev does not create a /dev/md0 device in time for the S30checkfs.sh, even though mdadm-raid has run. so my system drops into sigle suer mode because fsck fails on the /dev/md0 device in /etc/fstab. how can i create that /dev/md0 device in time? |
| 05:41.36 | peterS | helix: not *that* kind of spammer. a manual spammer |
| 05:41.37 | rdancer | simonrvn: nice factoid |
| 05:41.48 | simonrvn | rdancer: new one to me |
| 05:41.50 | Xenguy | PEACEYAL: what loke said |
| 05:41.51 | skyisblue | Eagle101: the only way to understand linux is read the code.. |
| 05:41.57 | *** mode/#debian [+o helix] by ChanServ |
| 05:41.57 | *** mode/#debian [+b *!*@wallacevirgo.demon.co.uk] by helix |
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| 05:42.00 | helix | ok, sorry |
| 05:42.12 | loke | do i need to patch 2.6.7 kernel with libata or does it already have support for sata? |
| 05:42.18 | Eagle101 | skyisblue: lol which code? |
| 05:42.20 | peterS | loke: the latter |
| 05:42.29 | skyisblue | linux kernel source |
| 05:42.29 | Guerin | hrm, the oplist has been trimmed somewhat |
| 05:42.29 | karsten | helix: Thanks. |
| 05:42.34 | shingouz | i just love the way you guys have the banning set up here :) |
| 05:42.39 | loke | peterS do i have to do anything special in the bios? |
| 05:42.43 | Guerin | some would say that's the last thing it needed... |
| 05:42.48 | PEACEYAL | well because even if i type su and cd to /etc/apt and want to open sources.list it sas permision denied |
| 05:42.49 | rdancer | but i liked the trekkie-like more |
| 05:42.50 | Xenguy | skyisblue: bah - there's a difference between kernel hacking and system administration |
| 05:42.53 | loke | peterS because i dont see anything about the harddrive in dmesg? |
| 05:43.01 | Guerin | PEACEYAL: what command are you trying to use? |
| 05:43.11 | Guerin | PEACEYAL: kwrite? gedit? |
| 05:43.12 | PEACEYAL | ./sources.list |
| 05:43.23 | Guerin | PEACEYAL: it's not executable, duh. |
| 05:43.31 | PEACEYAL | :/ |
| 05:43.31 | peterS | loke: you probably do have to load your sata module. and 2.6.7 doesn't support all sata chips on the planet, you might wish to upgrade to 2.6.10 which is in sid now. or see http://linux.yyz.us/sata/ |
| 05:43.32 | Guerin | PEACEYAL: type nano sources.list |
| 05:43.36 | PEACEYAL | ok |
| 05:44.05 | skyisblue | cow flying |
| 05:44.10 | maher | PEACEYAL: try nano sources.list |
| 05:44.14 | loke | peterS you first sentence, load sata module in linux or in bios? |
| 05:44.20 | peterS | loke: in linux |
| 05:44.23 | karsten | PEACEYAL: you got root figured out yet? |
| 05:44.26 | Guardians_helper | Trying to get lilo to setup the MBR on my /dev/sda1, but currently have lilo setup on /dev/hda1 |
| 05:44.30 | loke | peterS ok thanks |
| 05:44.47 | karsten | PEACEYAL: ...and are you in Linux or Windows right now? IIRC you were dual boot. |
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| 05:45.38 | loke | peterS when i apt-cache search for kernel source i dont have all the 2.6 kernels?? |
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| 05:45.56 | doublehp | what are .udeb files ? how to install ? |
| 05:46.12 | Guerin | doublehp: you don't. |
| 05:46.13 | maher | doublehp: there special mini debs for the installer |
| 05:46.23 | Guerin | yeah |
| 05:46.23 | maher | doublehp: s/there/they're/ |
| 05:46.24 | loke | peterS apt only has 2.6.6 and 2.6.8? do i have a bad apt souce? |
| 05:46.36 | Guerin | they will almost certainly break things on your desktop system |
| 05:46.36 | Guardians_helper | Anyone know how to get lilo to setup the MBR record on, for instance, /dev/sda1, when you've currently booting off /dev/hda1? |
| 05:46.53 | maher | loke: no - they tend to only keep the most recent lying around |
| 05:47.01 | peterS | loke: "all the 2.6 kernels"? I get a whole list when I do "apt-cache search kernel-image-2.6.10" |
| 05:47.09 | doublehp | maher: I wanna install partman ; it is available in .udeb, not in .deb; shall I look for a .tgz instead of .deb ??? I am using Debian, not slak ! |
| 05:47.49 | loke | peterS nope, i dont |
| 05:48.00 | Guerin | doublehp: find out why it's not in debian; build the source only if you need to. Also ask #debian-boot why it's in the installer project but not in proper debian. |
| 05:48.05 | peterS | loke: then you're using something other than debian unstable, or you haven't run 'apt-get update' recently |
| 05:48.21 | loke | peterS i just ran update/upgrade |
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| 05:48.24 | maher | doublehp: it mightbe called something else in the main distro - what do you want to do? |
| 05:48.26 | cthulfuego | !info partman sarge |
| 05:48.49 | peterS | cthulfuego: it's an installer-only thing. it runs within debian-installer, it's not intended for standalone use |
| 05:48.53 | doublehp | maher: a ncurses partitioner, able to stand LVW ... |
| 05:48.57 | loke | peterS im chaning my sources for apt |
| 05:49.01 | cthulfuego | peterS: yeah, I expected as much. |
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| 05:49.13 | doublehp | maher: trying an alternative to fdisk and parted |
| 05:49.29 | maher | doublehp: can you run qparted in ncurses mode? |
| 05:49.44 | doublehp | maher: does parted support LVM ? |
| 05:50.25 | loke | wtf apt-cache only has kernel-souce for 2.6.6 and 2.6.8??? |
| 05:50.26 | doublehp | maher: no qparted in SID |
| 05:50.33 | Crell42 | qtparted |
| 05:50.35 | Guerin | qtparted |
| 05:50.41 | nsillik | i just installed the new 2.6.10 kernel ... yet it seems that my nvidia drivers won't compile (amd64 sid) |
| 05:50.43 | Guerin | and what's SID? |
| 05:50.43 | Xenguy | no sign of such a directory currently |
| 05:50.44 | maher | doublehp: qtparted |
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| 05:50.45 | Xenguy | ww |
| 05:51.02 | maher | doublehp: i dunno anything about lvm i'm afraid |
| 05:51.19 | master | do anybody know a working soundmodule for "Intel Corp. 82801FB/FBM/FR/FW/FRW (ICH6 Family) High Definition Audio Controller (rev 03)" alias CMedia 9880L?; snd-intel8x0 seems to be not working with |
| 05:51.33 | cthulfuego | nsillik: They do indeed need patching. try #nvidia |
| 05:52.21 | skyisblue | nsillik: i haven't seen anyone who succeed it with new kernel. |
| 05:52.26 | maher | doublehp: what do you want to do? |
| 05:52.31 | nsillik | cthulfuego: damn, okay... should i download the newest nvidia module? |
| 05:52.41 | cthulfuego | skyisblue: I've been using it with 2.6.10 since 2.6.10 was released. |
| 05:52.49 | simonrvn | cthulfuego: alioth needs some work |
| 05:52.51 | cthulfuego | nsillik: No, you should join #nvidia and read the topic. |
| 05:53.05 | cthulfuego | simonrvn: No, it needs a kicking. |
| 05:53.10 | skyisblue | cthulfuego: ok now count 1 |
| 05:53.11 | simonrvn | heh |
| 05:53.39 | doublehp | maher: discover alternatives to fdisk and parted ... |
| 05:53.53 | loke | do you guys have kernel-source-2.6.10 in you apt-cache? |
| 05:54.01 | simonrvn | no |
| 05:54.15 | loke | simonrvn 2.6.9 souce? |
| 05:54.24 | loke | s/souce/source |
| 05:54.32 | peterS | loke: I didn't check. I certainly have lots of kernel-image-2.6.10-* packages |
| 05:54.44 | loke | peterS no image source |
| 05:54.50 | loke | s/no/not |
| 05:55.09 | slow_nfs_kernel_ | i have 2.6.10- source in my cache |
| 05:55.14 | Guardians_helper | I'm trying to go from a regular IDE to a serial raid ide, but I need to have a module (viamraid) loaded in the VFS. I'm trying to get lilo to write to the MBR of /dev/sda so that it can load the initrd.img which has the viamraid, but lilo doesn't seem to like whatever we're doing. |
| 05:55.38 | loke | slow_nfs_kernel_ which apt source? |
| 05:56.04 | doublehp | Guardians_helper: did u try grub ? |
| 05:56.10 | Guardians_helper | doublehp: Well, trying it now. |
| 05:56.17 | slow_nfs_kernel_ | I have a local mirror of the main one |
| 05:56.20 | Guerin | that uselib() exploit isn't yet fixed in 2.6.10, is it? |
| 05:56.25 | slow_nfs_kernel_ | at us debian |
| 05:56.32 | loke | Guerin is that local? |
| 05:56.43 | skyisblue | see http://kerneltrap.org |
| 05:56.53 | Guardians_helper | doublehp: We have an original copy of everything on /dev/hda, but we're trying to move over to /dev/sda |
| 05:56.56 | doublehp | Guardians_helper: when you can make grub work , dont forget to remove the _package_ of lilo, other wise you might have surprises at next apt upgrade :) |
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| 05:57.22 | doublehp | Guardians_helper: just try grub-install /dev/sda |
| 05:57.37 | slow_nfs_kernel_ | ftp.us.debian.org |
| 05:57.50 | doublehp | Guardians_helper: to work properly, grub need direct access to the MBR, and to /boot !!! |
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| 05:58.01 | nvz | master: check the respective websites for the ALSA and OSS projects, both have a list of compatible hardware |
| 05:58.11 | Guardians_helper | doublehp: Tried that. When we reboot, it just writes "grub" on the screen a million times... |
| 05:58.24 | doublehp | maher: parted does NOT support LVM |
| 05:58.40 | Guardians_helper | doublehp: how can we give it direct access to the MBR and to /boot? |
| 05:58.59 | maher | doublehp: ok - i dunno then |
| 05:59.00 | doublehp | Guardians_helper: lacks direct access ( using BIOS adress space / geometry ) to the partition where /boot is stored ( IMHO ) |
| 05:59.15 | Guerin | loke: yeah |
| 05:59.22 | doublehp | Guardians_helper: check the BIOS /can/ boot the drive where /boot is ... |
| 05:59.23 | zenlunatic | I have freeciv installed on a debian laptop without net connection. How do I versus the computer in this game? Do I start the server and than join 127.0.0.1? |
| 05:59.24 | Guardians_helper | doublehp: Someone suggested using chroot |
| 05:59.37 | doublehp | Guardians_helper: chroot never help grub |
| 05:59.50 | slow_nfs_kernel_ | http://ftp.us.debian.org/debian/pool/main/k/kernel-source-2.6.10/ |
| 05:59.53 | loke | once i get my sata installed what will i be named /dev/? |
| 05:59.55 | doublehp | Guardians_helper: why not keeping hda just for /boot ? |
| 06:00.29 | Guardians_helper | doublehp: Because hda is a a fujitsu that has been know to have an 80% fail rate. |
| 06:00.33 | maher | zenlunatic: i think so - there are probably instructions in /usr/share/doc/freeciv |
| 06:00.38 | doublehp | Guardians_helper: keep hda as is, put /boot on it, and once system is up, umount that partition and hdparm -Y /dev/hda to save it :) |
| 06:00.40 | slow_nfs_kernel_ | <loke> did you look tehre |
| 06:00.43 | Guardians_helper | doublehp: We're just lucky that it hasn't failed yet. |
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| 06:00.52 | loke | slow_nfs_kernel_ nope |
| 06:01.02 | slow_nfs_kernel_ | aha!!! |
| 06:01.09 | PEACEYAL | gah |
| 06:01.12 | loke | slow_nfs_kernel_ i just went to kernel.org |
| 06:01.16 | doublehp | Guardians_helper: I used to keep my kernel on floppies on computers which could not boot directly the RAID chains .... |
| 06:01.17 | PEACEYAL | can someone help me install ndiswrapper for debian |
| 06:01.36 | loke | PEACEYAL yes, read the docs |
| 06:01.37 | slow_nfs_kernel_ | go to the Source Luke! |
| 06:01.41 | sxpert-carpc | hey guys, I'm having some issues here. one of my boxes (behinf the firewall, and no ports forwarded to it) spontaneously restarts... |
| 06:01.45 | Guardians_helper | doublehp: But wasn't that before using initrd images? |
| 06:01.49 | loke | slow_nfs_kernel_ luke? |
| 06:01.55 | loke | slow_nfs_kernel_ loke. |
| 06:01.55 | PEACEYAL | loke i did i couldnt underdtand them |
| 06:01.55 | PEACEYAL | :/ |
| 06:02.07 | doublehp | Guardians_helper: if you hdparm -Y /dev/hda , the hdd wont suffer |
| 06:02.08 | Guardians_helper | doublehp: or rather, using a virtual filesystem? |
| 06:02.30 | doublehp | Guardians_helper: floppies can support initrds |
| 06:02.46 | loke | what will my sata hd be named /dev/??? once i install it? |
| 06:02.50 | slow_nfs_kernel_ | ( cute: double entendre - star wars analogy and pun on your nick) |
| 06:03.00 | maher | sxpert-carpc: how often? does it say anthing in the logs |
| 06:03.03 | loke | slow_nfs_kernel_ its loke |
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| 06:03.07 | Aurora | <PROTECTED> |
| 06:03.08 | loke | slow_nfs_kernel_ like loco |
| 06:03.10 | Aurora | oops |
| 06:03.11 | sxpert-carpc | maher: like every week or so |
| 06:03.22 | nvz | damn I got ping replies from google in like 50ms, and its taking me like over a minute to surf there in firefox =P |
| 06:03.35 | maher | sxpert-carpc: does it say anything in the logs about why its restarting? |
| 06:03.42 | doublehp | Guardians_helper: any way : if both Lilo and Grub fails, I really think it means your drives are not bootable from the BIOS point of view ; that is why I tell about floppies, or using hda as /boot ... |
| 06:04.00 | Aurora | hey would someone mind helping me with adding debian to my allready installed Grub, i have the partitions its using i just dont feel comfortable manually adding linux os's to grub, never done it before |
| 06:04.07 | doublehp | Guardians_helper: dont look for alternatives; look for a WORKING solution ! |
| 06:04.08 | sxpert-carpc | maher: I just witnessed the process, and it's like there was a shutdown command issued |
| 06:04.34 | doublehp | Guardians_helper: dont forget that initrd must be on a BIOS bootable drive ... |
| 06:04.46 | Guardians_helper | doublehp: Except we have another computer with the exact same hardware, and we have it booting off /dev/sda. |
| 06:04.50 | maher | sxpert-carpc: remove the reboot from crontab.weekly :) |
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| 06:06.04 | doublehp | Guardians_helper: what about BIOS versions ? |
| 06:06.19 | doublehp | Guardians_helper: what about RAID controler BIOS versions ? |
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| 06:06.23 | Guardians_helper | doublehp: If I were to create a boot disk from that other computer, is there a way that I could have THAT boot disk contain its own initrd, but tell it to boot off the new computer's /dev/sda? |
| 06:06.31 | Guardians_helper | doublehp: I'll check... |
| 06:06.33 | Raf256_ | how much usualy is sarge behind sid, in terms of newest versions of software? |
| 06:06.41 | zenlunatic | My laptop doesn't have networking functioning because it isn't connected. I didn't set it up during install. How could that effect a server running on localhost for freeciv. I run the server on localhost and connect through port 5555 but it doesn't work. |
| 06:06.51 | elyse | Hey ppl |
| 06:06.58 | doublehp | Guardians_helper: I dont think nowadays a /single/ floppy can store a kernel + initrd ... |
| 06:07.10 | doublehp | Guardians_helper: 2.6 kernels are getting very big |
| 06:07.15 | maher | zenlunatic: do you have lo? type ifconfig and see |
| 06:07.24 | Aurora | !grub.conf |
| 06:07.27 | Aurora | hmm |
| 06:07.29 | zenlunatic | yes i have lo |
| 06:07.29 | Aurora | !grub |
| 06:07.29 | dpkg | it has been said that grub is [grub] Grand Unified Bootloader at http://www.gnu.org/software/grub/ . It's an extremely powerful boot loader that can boot a lot of OSes, understands a lot of filesystems including reiserfs.. Go here for an excellent step-by-step description of setting up grub on your system: http://www.linuxjournal.com/article.php?sid=4622, or a distributed internet crawler. |
| 06:07.37 | zenlunatic | maher, yes i have lo |
| 06:07.59 | sxpert-carpc | maher: it's not there |
| 06:08.02 | Guardians_helper | doublehp: If we simply create a boot disk using mkboot, will that containg the initrd image on the boot? |
| 06:08.18 | doublehp | Guardians_helper: but you could build a bootable CD : thats big enough ... and cheaper and safer than an IDE HDD |
| 06:08.31 | doublehp | Guardians_helper: I dont know |
| 06:08.55 | maher | sxpert-carpc: did a reboot/shutdown command get issued? |
| 06:09.01 | Guardians_helper | doublehp: hmm.. perhaps worth a shot... |
| 06:09.29 | doublehp | Guardians_helper: I think a CD worth it ... a CD-r is 1euro; a drive is 15 |
| 06:09.31 | maher | zenlunatic: check the server is running with ps, check its listening on the right port with telnet locahost 5555 |
| 06:09.46 | maher | zenlunatic: or better netstat -pant |
| 06:09.54 | zenlunatic | maher, okay thx |
| 06:10.09 | sxpert-carpc | maher: where would I see that ? |
| 06:10.11 | doublehp | Guardians_helper: but building the ISO is 2h :=) ... 50e/h for an engineer ... thats at least 150euro the CD :) |
| 06:10.12 | zenlunatic | maher, i have to go but i will use that info |
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| 06:10.41 | Guerin | Raf256_: 10 days, presuming no bugs; which is a stupid presumption to make. |
| 06:10.41 | Guardians_helper | doublehp: <grin> |
| 06:10.46 | skyisblue | Guardians_helper: floppy-based linux distro available in freshmeat.net |
| 06:10.48 | thully__ | hi - any word on the whole thunderbird/firefox trademark situation? |
| 06:11.03 | maher | sxpert-carpc: look in the logs, kern.log or syslog are good placs |
| 06:11.12 | Guerin | thully__: what about it? |
| 06:11.27 | thully__ | well - are they coming to a resolution? |
| 06:11.37 | doublehp | Guardians_helper: I nerly finished my studies ... I now think money :D |
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| 06:11.45 | thully__ | Are they doing the community edition, or the "Iceweasel" way? |
| 06:11.59 | Guerin | thully__: http://lists.debian.org/debian-legal/2005/01/msg00006.html |
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| 06:12.41 | Guardians_helper | doublehp: True enough. |
| 06:14.24 | thully__ | I see - but I don't see anything that suggests this is resolved |
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| 06:14.37 | Guerin | thully__: then what does that tell you? |
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| 06:15.24 | maher | thully__: is it an issue for you? you can probably just wait and see |
| 06:15.45 | wolfsong | anybody using testing and unstable sources with apt? |
| 06:15.53 | sxpert-carpc | maher: so it seems |
| 06:16.12 | hacim | wolfsong: sure |
| 06:16.16 | wolfsong | i found two documents on how to do this and i'm looking for which might be better |
| 06:16.20 | skyisblue | linux code graph is here! http://fcgp.sf.net |
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| 06:16.39 | wolfsong | http://jaqque.sbih.org/kplug/apt-pinning.html or http://www.linuxgazette.com/issue86/tougher.html |
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| 06:17.44 | maher | sxpert-carpc: they should be like that already |
| 06:18.05 | sxpert-carpc | maher: apparently, anyone could run them (mode was 755) |
| 06:18.11 | maher | sxpert-carpc: look at the logs just before the command came through - anything interesting? was cron starting up |
| 06:18.18 | skyisblue | dpkg: fcgp is free code graphing project, http://fcgp.sf.net |
| 06:18.19 | dpkg | skyisblue: okay |
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| 06:18.38 | sxpert-carpc | yeah, cron weekly did startup, with restarting sysklogd |
| 06:18.41 | maher | sxpert-carpc: but shutdown should only work for root anyway - try it and see |
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| 06:19.06 | sxpert-carpc | maher: mode is now 750 :D |
| 06:19.41 | x-opher | is there a command to restor the panel? |
| 06:19.42 | sxpert-carpc | but I dind't see anything obvious |
| 06:19.47 | x-opher | 'tis gone |
| 06:19.52 | maher | sxpert-carpc: do you have custom cron scripts? |
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| 06:20.42 | PEACEYAL | how do i open a directory from terminal |
| 06:20.48 | PEACEYAL | other than ls |
| 06:21.22 | maher | PEACEYAL: what do you want to do |
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| 06:21.34 | thully__ | well, I was wondering when thunderbird 1.0 will be in debian? (or iceweasel 1.0, etc) |
| 06:21.58 | loke | 160GB hd comin up baby |
| 06:22.28 | gurubie | If I install the LTSP RPM via Alien, with this ruin my debian (pool) system? How should I install a terminal server with debian? |
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| 06:22.44 | sxpert-carpc | maher: not that I know of |
| 06:22.52 | PEACEYAL | maher: i want to open /mnt/windows so i can view it but i can only view it as root |
| 06:23.16 | loke | PEACEYAL chown |
| 06:23.16 | maher | PEACEYAL: read man fstab and edit /etc/fstab so that ordinary users can mount it |
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| 06:23.40 | PEACEYAL | ok |
| 06:24.54 | maher | sxpert-carpc: why not paste the 20 lines of syslog before the reboot in #flood |
| 06:24.57 | wolfsong | any suggestions on the which doc i should use for setting up apt with testing and unstable? |
| 06:25.05 | mike__ | got a quickie for you.. need to make a mounted ISO image of sarge dvd 1 a repository in the Synaptic Pkg Mgr. New to debian (former mdk user) but not TOO new to linux.. |
| 06:25.09 | cat | wolfsong: man apt |
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| 06:25.43 | wolfsong | cat: i'm asking which method i should use because i found more than one way to do it |
| 06:25.55 | sxpert-carpc | maher: done |
| 06:26.12 | Epilog | hi there |
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| 06:26.20 | Epilog | anyone here used a hp laserjet 5m? |
| 06:26.24 | gurubie | mike__: Click edit and click add CDROM |
| 06:26.28 | cat | testing and unstable is not a good idea |
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| 06:27.16 | mike__ | gurubie: even though it's a mount point and not an actual device? |
| 06:27.30 | Phated | wolfsong: Don't mix your sources. Just use either testing or unstable. To change your sources, just edit /etc/apt/sources.list |
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| 06:27.35 | xam | Epilog: yes, once I picked one up and smashed it on top of somebodys head who didn't know how to ask properly |
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| 06:28.11 | appleboy | And wouldn't you know it, I'm just getting my second pint in when a group of furry-teethed geeks from the electronics company down the road bowl in. |
| 06:28.11 | appleboy | "And I said to him: 'you can't port Debian to a car computer - IT'S NOT AN OPEN SYSTEM' - WAAAAA HA HA HA!" one of them cries, setting the rest of them off in a fit of laughter. |
| 06:28.12 | wolfsong | Phated: so don't use stable and testing either? |
| 06:28.15 | appleboy | RIP |
| 06:28.20 | Phated | wolfsong: Yes, don't. |
| 06:28.38 | wolfsong | ok |
| 06:28.42 | wolfsong | thanks |
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| 06:29.02 | gurubie | mike__: Hmm yeah you might have to make it look like a CD device first. |
| 06:29.09 | wolfsong | what about backports.org? |
| 06:29.12 | Guerin | and don't use unstable; just use testing |
| 06:29.51 | nvz | !test |
| 06:29.52 | dpkg | Yes, nvz, you're still online. |
| 06:30.47 | hardwire | !test |
| 06:30.47 | dpkg | Yes, hardwire, you're still online. |
| 06:30.49 | hardwire | yay |
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| 06:31.13 | mike__ | gurubie: not sure how to do that :-( < is there a howto or documentation I can go to for help? > |
| 06:31.27 | gurubie | Do you recommend against using alien? |
| 06:31.31 | nvz | I do believe we were just trolled |
| 06:31.31 | Guerin | yes |
| 06:31.39 | Guerin | nvz: we were? |
| 06:31.50 | maher | is it a troll if no one notices |
| 06:32.17 | artichoke | debian's netinst iso is miserable if you have no net support..is there a small-sized debian based distro that would have wireless support for prism included? |
| 06:32.17 | Zalamander | mike__ you just need to mount an iso, so you can view the contents? |
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| 06:32.45 | Guerin | artichoke: here's a nickel, kid. Go buy yourself an ethernet cable. |
| 06:32.50 | nvz | Guerin: yeah appleboy's short visit seemed to be just to share a troll tale with us |
| 06:32.58 | mike__ | artichoke: maybe Mepis does but not sure.. |
| 06:32.59 | Guerin | nvz: oh, him. |
| 06:33.00 | maher | artichoke: indeed - look for a debian install disc that comes with prism |
| 06:33.23 | gurubie | artichoke: I have the same problem. It might be easier to put hardwire ethernet to it first. |
| 06:33.38 | artichoke | Guerin: need a few more nickels, pops |
| 06:33.45 | Guerin | artichoke: not many more. |
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| 06:33.50 | W1thdraw | rofl http://zdnet.com.com/1606-2-5517693.html |
| 06:33.50 | W1thdraw | <PROTECTED> |
| 06:33.54 | aurora | i got this error "ext3-fs - unable to read superblock" the next line said " /sbin/init: 426:cannot open dev console " |
| 06:34.01 | aurora | i manually added debian to my grub.conf |
| 06:34.08 | nvz | I wonder what I can do to make this dell monitor more clear.. the damn thing is a 17" regular CRT, but its got ton of onscreen controls, even set at best and tweaking the flyback it still seems to get blurry on me.. reading fonts on here is horrible |
| 06:34.11 | aurora | and as its booting up i get that error |
| 06:34.13 | artichoke | thenks mike__ |
| 06:34.16 | aurora | any ideas? |
| 06:34.22 | mike__ | np |
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| 06:34.28 | gurubie | artichoke: Perhaps you could use an old computer for a bridge. Perhaps buying an ethernet wirless bridge would be easiest. |
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| 06:35.19 | gurubie | artichoke: Mepis does. |
| 06:35.51 | artichoke | gurubie: ill check that out...any words on Bonzai? |
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| 06:35.56 | ep | hey |
| 06:36.05 | gurubie | artichoke: I wouldn't |
| 06:36.10 | Guerin | artichoke: PRACE YOUR BETS NOW! |
| 06:36.13 | Phossil | I'm having trouble mounting a fat32 hard drive |
| 06:36.17 | PEACEYAL | can someone help me on installing ndiswrapper on serge. I added the line to aources.list and did a apt-get update but didnt get anything |
| 06:36.19 | Phossil | it's detected during bootup and assigned as hdb |
| 06:36.24 | Phossil | but I don't have a /dev/hdb |
| 06:36.28 | artichoke | Guerin: bets start at a NICKEL |
| 06:36.39 | Guerin | artichoke: BET BET BET! BET NOW! |
| 06:36.41 | aurora | Guerin, can you help me please? |
| 06:36.42 | Phossil | anyone else ever have this problem? |
| 06:37.02 | Guerin | BETTING FINISH! |
| 06:37.05 | Phossil | I checked my dmesg and it's assigned as hdb |
| 06:37.06 | artichoke | Guerin: ill bet you LIKE CAPITAL LETTERS |
| 06:37.06 | PEACEYAL | :/ |
| 06:37.12 | Phossil | but there is no /dev/hdb |
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| 06:37.19 | Guerin | artichoke: you're clearly not getting the banzai reference. |
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| 06:37.34 | artichoke | Guerin: ill bet youre right |
| 06:37.58 | nvz | damn I am geeked over the news of a new solar cell that can harness infrared.. they claim its like 5x more effective than current technologies |
| 06:38.04 | Guerin | artichoke: I bet you're american. |
| 06:38.09 | Phossil | I need to get my work files off of this hard drive |
| 06:38.10 | Phossil | :( |
| 06:38.15 | maher | Phossil: are you using trad dev or udev |
| 06:38.23 | Phossil | dev I believe |
| 06:38.24 | gurubie | In our case (wireless crap), would you advise on mepis conversion to real and compleatly debian vs. an alternative debian way? |
| 06:38.26 | toresbe | nvz: ooooh cool |
| 06:38.34 | Phossil | I can put my dmesg on pastebin if you like |
| 06:38.37 | Phossil | give me one sec |
| 06:38.41 | aurora | Guerin, .. |
| 06:38.42 | Guerin | gurubie: no. |
| 06:38.47 | toresbe | nvz: "We need light! Everyone change channels!"" :P |
| 06:38.50 | maher | gurubie: you just need to boot to something that can talk to the network and run debootsrtap |
| 06:39.03 | nvz | toresbe: yeah they say they can spray this shit on anything, t-shirt you name it, and it consumes the suns power even on a cloudy day |
| 06:39.04 | aurora | ffs |
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| 06:39.07 | Guerin | aurora: I don't know what you've done; you need to be more specific. Why did you add debian to your grub.conf manually? |
| 06:39.09 | artichoke | Guerin: i bet youre classist |
| 06:39.14 | toresbe | nvz: huh? |
| 06:39.30 | Guerin | artichoke: I bet your apostrophe key isn't really broken. |
| 06:39.32 | PEACEYAL | can someone help me on installing ndiswrapper on serge. I added the line to aources.list and did a apt-get update but didnt get anything. What am i doing wrong |
| 06:39.33 | toresbe | oh man, btw, I was in heaven not long ago... |
| 06:39.37 | Phossil | here is my dmesg http://www.pastebin.com/229427 |
| 06:39.41 | aurora | Guerin, because i have FC3 installed , as well as XP , and i wanted debian as its better , so i isntalled debian without adding anything to Grub as it was going to whipe out my current grub conf |
| 06:39.45 | nvz | toresbe: the use of sunlight as a power source has only been possible in the visual spectrum so far.. this is a huge leap |
| 06:39.53 | toresbe | nvz: yeah |
| 06:39.55 | artichoke | Guerin: you make many bet for such poor man |
| 06:39.55 | nvz | toresbe: they can now harness the invisable energy |
| 06:40.11 | Guerin | aurora: I bet you fucked up your grub config. Put it on a httpd someplace. |
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| 06:40.27 | aurora | hm |
| 06:40.29 | aurora | okay |
| 06:40.36 | maher | Phossil: does it show up in cat /proc/partitions |
| 06:40.44 | toresbe | yesterday I went to see what can only be described as an abandoned warehouse of a minicomputer company from the 70s |
| 06:40.55 | Guerin | artichoke: you make many presumption for such stupid american. |
| 06:41.21 | Phossil | maher - that lists only sd* drives |
| 06:41.24 | Guerin | toresbe: did you take a truck? |
| 06:41.25 | aurora | Guerin, i dont have access to any webservers atm , mine is down |
| 06:41.29 | aurora | can i email it to you ? |
| 06:41.38 | artichoke | Guerin: i think youre cute |
| 06:41.39 | Guerin | aurora: no, /msg dpkg paste |
| 06:41.45 | PEACEYAL | gah can any one help |
| 06:41.45 | maher | Phossil: you seem to be using devfs |
| 06:41.58 | Guerin | artichoke: you shouldn't think so much, you could hurt yourself. |
| 06:42.02 | toresbe | Guerin: no - well, not abandoned, it's four containers, and it is owned by someone |
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| 06:42.08 | aurora | Guerin, ? |
| 06:42.12 | gurubie | It's just that one on my HD partitions are booting mepis for testing and I wondered which is easier, reinstall deb or convert. In any case debian is the target. |
| 06:42.13 | aurora | i msged him that he just says join Flood |
| 06:42.14 | artichoke | Guerin: thats why i ask you to think for me |
| 06:42.33 | Guerin | aurora: wow, is that all he says? |
| 06:42.39 | Guerin | aurora: really? Check. |
| 06:42.55 | Phossil | maher: ok - do I have to do something special to get my hd to mount? |
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| 06:43.00 | nvz | toresbe: I fantasize about all things embedded, wireless, and mobile electronic all the time.. so any new technology that could help one of my wild ideas become a reality interests me. |
| 06:43.02 | Phossil | I'm not having trouble getting cds to mount |
| 06:43.09 | Phossil | but the hd doesn't show up in /dev |
| 06:43.13 | toresbe | Guerin: I did get a terminal, though :) |
| 06:43.15 | maher | Phossil: i'm not familiar with devfs - see if its in /proc somewhere |
| 06:43.21 | toresbe | nvz: :) |
| 06:43.29 | aurora | Guerin, http://rafb.net/paste/results/HdKSfY44.html |
| 06:43.29 | toresbe | Guerin: with the most amazing array of extra keys |
| 06:43.32 | Guerin | toresbe: i bet you're trying to find a way to hook it up right now... |
| 06:43.38 | maher | Phossil: normally you run MAKEDEV but devfs is probably meant to do it automagically |
| 06:43.53 | toresbe | Guerin: I have already hooked it up :D |
| 06:44.31 | nvz | I've always wanted to use solar power as a power source, but knew it was relitvely worthless with the technology.. but this new stuff, perhaps even in combination with the old technology could prove to be at least 5x more effective, and even on cloudy days |
| 06:44.36 | Phossil | maher: hmm - I don't see it in /proc anywhere - I'll try mounting some of the sd* drives |
| 06:44.40 | Guerin | aurora: I bet root (hd1,4) is wrong |
| 06:44.56 | aurora | Guerin, debian is installed to /dev/hdb5 |
| 06:45.00 | toresbe | It's got - 9 LEDs, 4 of them user-controllable through escape codes - 11 arrow keys! |
| 06:45.04 | Guerin | aurora: hrm. |
| 06:45.11 | Guerin | aurora: beats me then. |
| 06:45.22 | maher | nvz: cost of solat power per watt has been halving about every decade for the past 40 years - should be cheaper than fossil fuel in another couple |
| 06:45.33 | Guerin | aurora: my only advice to you is to back your shit up to /dev/hdb5 and install debian in place of coredump |
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| 06:45.56 | maher | Phossil: look in /proc/ide |
| 06:45.57 | aurora | Guerin, "ext3-fs -unable to read superblock" "/sbin/iinit:426:cannot open dev/console" |
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| 06:46.04 | aurora | thats the error i got about half way through boot |
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| 06:46.08 | Guerin | maher: and cheaper than nuclear about when the aliens land to take over the earth. |
| 06:46.15 | FreeSOB | Windows is NOT a virus- viruses are small and efficient |
| 06:46.28 | maher | Guerin: nuclear power isn't cheap if you include clean up costs |
| 06:46.28 | Guerin | aurora: yeah. I don't know what to do with that error. |
| 06:46.33 | Phossil | maher: hdb, I'll try mounting it :) |
| 06:46.46 | aurora | Guerin, do you think its my grub config or the filesystem? |
| 06:46.55 | aurora | ill whipe that Partitoin and start over if you think it might hel |
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| 06:46.58 | maher | Phossil: you just need to know how to create /dev/hdb* under devfs |
| 06:46.59 | nvz | maher: yeah but what brought this up, is what I just read about the new discoveries. Some gemus figgered out how to harness the infrared spectrum of light as power, they say it works even on cloudy days as much as 5x more effectivly than anything seen to date |
| 06:47.24 | Phossil | maher: when I type mount -t vfat /proc/ide/hdb /mnt/files |
| 06:47.26 | Guerin | maher: actually, it's still cheaper than solar and wind - even with sunk costs like reactor building. |
| 06:47.29 | maher | nvs: that knocks a few decades off things... |
| 06:47.32 | Phossil | I get /proc/ide/hdb is not a block device |
| 06:47.33 | Guerin | maher: and then there's scalability ... |
| 06:47.52 | Guerin | nvz: that could be cool. |
| 06:48.00 | Phossil | hdb is a directory in /proc/ide |
| 06:48.04 | maher | Guerin: really? why does the uk nuclear power industry need such enormous government support then? |
| 06:48.06 | Phossil | not a mount poing |
| 06:48.08 | Phossil | point |
| 06:48.24 | nvz | Guerin: yeah no kidding |
| 06:48.36 | Guerin | maher: sunk costs are recouped over many years. |
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| 06:48.38 | Phossil | maher: you're right, I just need to get it to /dev/hdb |
| 06:48.38 | maher | Phossil: you kernel sees it - but devfs is confused |
| 06:48.43 | nvz | Guerin: it gets better, its a freakin spray polymer.. heh |
| 06:48.51 | nvz | Guerin: it can go on virtually anything |
| 06:48.56 | Guerin | nvz: linkage? |
| 06:49.02 | Phossil | any idea how I can fix it? |
| 06:49.08 | Phossil | thanks for the help by the way |
| 06:49.09 | maher | nvz do we get a link |
| 06:49.25 | nvz | Guerin: this is what I just read, http://www.axcessnews.com/technology_011505b.shtml some Toronto University discovery |
| 06:49.32 | maher | Phossil: dunno - read the instructions for how to create devices under devfs |
| 06:49.32 | heath | i'm having an xhost problem.. when i try and change xhost, it says "unable to open display ":0"" any ideas? |
| 06:49.32 | nvz | maher: ^ |
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| 06:49.47 | Guerin | !xhost |
| 06:49.48 | dpkg | well, xhost is EVIL! Ask me about mit-magic-cookie, or read /usr/share/doc/xfree86-common/FAQ.gz before even thinking about using the "xhost" command. Ask me about "sshx", or "nolisten" if you're mule-headed, or "apt-cache show xbase-clients | grep xhost" will tell you "xhost, a very dangerous program that you should never use" You should use ssh X11 forwarding instead. |
| 06:50.06 | heath | hehehe |
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| 06:50.19 | stew | !wayttd heath |
| 06:50.20 | dpkg | What Are You Trying To Do, heath? |
| 06:50.23 | heath | i've never had problems with it before |
| 06:50.35 | heath | well, i was trying to get it so root could open X apps under a differnet user |
| 06:50.48 | heath | i set 'xhost local:' |
| 06:50.56 | bob2 | god |
| 06:50.58 | bob2 | don't do that |
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| 06:51.34 | heath | now i'm not able to open X |
| 06:51.34 | nvz | I knew some 7 years or more ago before I even knew what the word nanotechnology meant, that one day it would mean everything to me =P |
| 06:51.34 | heath | heh |
| 06:51.34 | bob2 | use sudo like jeebus intended |
| 06:51.34 | Zalamander | heath try "xhost +localhost" |
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| 06:51.35 | Guerin | no |
| 06:51.35 | bob2 | dkshljahg |
| 06:51.35 | Guerin | xhost bad |
| 06:51.35 | bob2 | you people suck |
| 06:51.35 | Guerin | read what the fucking bot said |
| 06:51.35 | bob2 | YOU DO NOT EVER NEED TO RUN XHOST |
| 06:51.35 | bob2 | NEVER EVER |
| 06:51.35 | stew | heath: export XAUTHORITY=/home/heath/.Xauthority |
| 06:51.35 | heath | Zalamander: tried that, and i get 'unable to open display "0:"' |
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| 06:51.50 | bob2 | heath: if you want to run stuff as root, use sudo or 'su -m'. |
| 06:51.52 | Zalamander | heath you need to run the xhost command as the user who owns the x session |
| 06:52.00 | Zalamander | bob2 that's not what he's doing. |
| 06:52.07 | stew | Zalamander: no, no xhost ever |
| 06:52.10 | nvz | oh boy, I'm laggin out now =P |
| 06:52.12 | bob2 | 16:50:36 heath | well, i was trying to get it so root could open X apps under a differnet user |
| 06:52.58 | Zalamander | you guys are allergic to xhost eh? |
| 06:53.04 | Zalamander | heh |
| 06:53.12 | pipeline | Everyone is allergic to xhost. |
| 06:53.18 | pipeline | X's authentication system is a baroque nightmare. |
| 06:53.23 | Guerin | Zalamander: security is allergic to xhost |
| 06:53.23 | Zalamander | not me. Works great on my LAN |
| 06:53.44 | Guerin | Zalamander: and now you're going to say your lan doesn't need security. |
| 06:53.45 | pipeline | Zalamander: Let me guess. You just run "xhost +<ip>" and let anyone at all, in essence, connect to your X server. |
| 06:53.48 | Zalamander | guys, there's nothing insecure about enabling xhost for a localhost, if you're the only user on the box |
| 06:53.55 | Guerin | haha |
| 06:54.00 | pipeline | You can never be sure that you're the only user on the box :P |
| 06:54.00 | Guerin | *bzzt* |
| 06:54.07 | Zalamander | ahahahha |
| 06:54.13 | Zalamander | yes I can. I am the only user |
| 06:54.27 | Zalamander | if you don't know THAT, then you have larger problems than xhost |
| 06:54.27 | CtrlAltDel | anyone here compile createtorrent to work on unstable? |
| 06:54.39 | CtrlAltDel | mine errors out on the openssl check even though its installed |
| 06:54.58 | The_Vulture | Zalamander: there's lots of problems with it. It's simply a basic violation of minimum permissions necessary. |
| 06:54.59 | Guerin | if you're so sure of that that you don't believe in security, you have bigger problems than anyone |
| 06:55.00 | Zalamander | pipeline you cannot connect to my computer's X session |
| 06:55.05 | The_Vulture | If that was fine, why not just do everything as root? |
| 06:55.09 | The_Vulture | what Guerin said |
| 06:55.10 | heath | Zalamander: when i do just a straight 'xhost' i get 'unable to open display ":0"' again |
| 06:55.19 | heath | with /any/ command i use with xhost |
| 06:55.20 | Zalamander | it has nothing to do with root. xhost can be used for two user accounts, for example |
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| 06:55.42 | Zalamander | heath are you running xhost as the user that owns the X session? |
| 06:55.45 | bob2 | CtrlAltDel: you have build-essential and the openssl headers installed? |
| 06:55.48 | The_Vulture | Zalamander: yes, but my point is about permissions necessary to perform an action |
| 06:56.05 | CtrlAltDel | hmm, guess not, lemme run off and check, thx |
| 06:56.11 | Zalamander | The_Vulture ok, so how do you run an X app as one user inside another user's X session? |
| 06:56.20 | The_Vulture | if you don't believe in that basic principal you don't believe in security of anything much |
| 06:56.20 | bob2 | Zalamander: sudo |
| 06:56.25 | Phated | You bloody well leave the other person alone. :) |
| 06:56.26 | Zalamander | bob2 wrong |
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| 06:56.35 | bob2 | 'wrong'? |
| 06:56.40 | Zalamander | yes, that's a wrong answer. |
| 06:56.45 | heath | Zalamander: i can't even connect to the X server at all, i'm in console right now |
| 06:56.45 | Zalamander | sudo will not allow that. |
| 06:56.54 | pipeline | Zalamander: gksu |
| 06:57.13 | The_Vulture | Zalamander: I'd use ssh on localhost with X forwarding. *shrugs* not that I have a need to run any X apps as any other user. |
| 06:57.16 | Zalamander | heath hm, try moving the file ~/.Xauthority to somewhere else |
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| 06:57.23 | Zalamander | pipeline and if I don't use gnome? |
| 06:57.39 | Phated | Zalamander: You trippin', man. |
| 06:57.51 | Phated | gksu is -not- confined to gnome. Neither is any other app. |
| 06:57.54 | Zalamander | The_Vulture ssh? Wow, nuts. |
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| 06:57.59 | loke | how do i find out what the name of my new sata harddrive, /dev/??? ? |
| 06:58.04 | pipeline | Zalamander: You use gksu anyway because it has no gnome dependencies. And then you are beaten relentlessly with wet trout until you discover that Gnome is, indeed, the future. |
| 06:58.10 | Phated | Zalamander: You use telnet too, don't you? |
| 06:58.23 | The_Vulture | Zalamander: how so? |
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| 06:58.33 | The_Vulture | and what pipeline said, minus the gnome rant |
| 06:58.45 | The_Vulture | pipeline: BlackBox. :) |
| 06:58.57 | Phated | Openbox! |
| 06:59.06 | pipeline | The_Vulture: Blackbox is like a resource-hungry version of twm. :P |
| 06:59.09 | scarynetworkguy | Openbox is the wm of winnars! |
| 06:59.11 | The_Vulture | Phated: emacs! ;) |
| 06:59.14 | Zalamander | ugh, you guys are just repeating lines from "good security practices", but you don't really understand them. |
| 06:59.20 | Phated | The_Vulture: That's an OS, not a WM. DUH. |
| 06:59.24 | The_Vulture | Zalamander: that's amusing. |
| 06:59.29 | The_Vulture | Phated: touche |
| 06:59.33 | Phated | The_Vulture: :) |
| 06:59.40 | pipeline | Zalamander: xhost is overkill that could some day bite you in the ass. That's all there is to it. |
| 06:59.43 | Zalamander | I suppose if you have only two boxes connected to each other and no other, that you should NEVER use telnet between them! |
| 07:00.00 | Zalamander | pipeline no it will not bite me, because I know what I'm doing with it. |
| 07:00.01 | pipeline | Phated, The_Vulture: eclipse -- it's a window manager written in lisp. |
| 07:00.06 | pipeline | Zalamander: That is correct. |
| 07:00.21 | scarynetworkguy | And it doesn't even have a decent text editor. |
| 07:00.24 | pipeline | Zalamander: Using telnet at all is a bad habit. The only thing I've ever used it for is checking the version string on an SSH server. |
| 07:00.24 | Phated | pipeline: Never tried it, will see. :) |
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| 07:00.25 | Zalamander | pipeline I knew you would think so. |
| 07:00.40 | Phossil | I'm running testing but I'm going to upgrade to the unstable kernel (2.6.10) but still stay in testing - does anyone think that is a bad idea? |
| 07:00.42 | Zalamander | pipeline it's not a habit if you pay attention to what you're doing. It's a concious action |
| 07:00.53 | scarynetworkguy | Zalamander: No you should never ever ever use telnet under any conditions. Ever. |
| 07:00.58 | Zalamander | hahaha |
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| 07:01.07 | Guerin | except for seeing if a service is listening on a port |
| 07:01.16 | Phated | Oh don't. Don't bloody get scarynetworkguy started on a security rant. |
| 07:01.17 | The_Vulture | Guerin: I prefer netcat for that purpose anyway :) |
| 07:01.18 | Guerin | but you should never, ever, ever use telnetd |
| 07:01.22 | The_Vulture | Phated: too late |
| 07:01.22 | CtrlAltDel | im looking for the openssl header/source package and im not able to find it...and clues? |
| 07:01.24 | scarynetworkguy | Guerin: Yeah but that doesn't really count now does it. |
| 07:01.26 | pipeline | Phossil: I think it's a bad idea because 2.6.10 is unstable (literally). But it won't cause problems because it's from unstable (the distribution). |
| 07:01.27 | Phated | The_Vulture: Shit. |
| 07:01.31 | Guerin | scarynetworkguy: nope :) |
| 07:01.46 | pipeline | Zalamander: I consider telnet totally useless. |
| 07:01.52 | scarynetworkguy | Guerin: Yeah. :) |
| 07:01.55 | pipeline | Zalamander: Any time you can use telnet, you should either be using rsh or ssh. |
| 07:02.00 | pipeline | Zalamander: Preferably the latter. |
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| 07:02.09 | scarynetworkguy | Meh, I'm in too good a mood to get into a proper rant. |
| 07:02.16 | Phated | (thank you god) |
| 07:02.19 | scarynetworkguy | Heh. |
| 07:02.20 | The_Vulture | CtrlAltDel: libssl-dev seems applicable.. |
| 07:02.22 | jeanmi_ | I am trying to create my lircd.conf, using irrecord. when I record, I can see the dots appearing but then I get: "irrecord: no data for 10 secs, aborting. irrecord: gap not found, can't continue" |
| 07:02.39 | Guerin | grrr, I want the linux console font in X :( |
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| 07:03.00 | Phossil | pipeline: ok, I was under the impression that 2.6.10 was OK, while 2.6.9 was a really problamatic release |
| 07:03.05 | pipeline | Guerin: Is the linux console font determined by linux? I thought it was a font determined by your graphics card. |
| 07:03.08 | Phossil | right now I am running 2.6.8.1 |
| 07:03.15 | archpollux | jeanmi_: what kernel? |
| 07:03.20 | loke | guys i need help, i justed added kernel support for sata, to get my new hd going, dmesg shows irq 3 being allocated by the serial ata, but it says hde: no response (status = 0xfe), and hdg: no response (status = 0xfe) |
| 07:03.23 | Guerin | pipeline: oh... |
| 07:03.24 | pipeline | Phossil: Ahah. I'm still cowering in a corner with 2.6.7. |
| 07:03.24 | jeanmi_ | archpollux 2.6.8 |
| 07:03.27 | davs | I need help mounting a shared fat32 drive to be writable this is what I thought to put in my fstab but aparently its wrong because its write only still:/dev/hdb1 /mnt/shared vfat users,owner,rw 0 0 |
| 07:03.42 | CtrlAltDel | uname -r: 2.6.8-1-686 |
| 07:03.42 | archpollux | jeanmi_: how the heck did you make it compile for 2.6?? |
| 07:03.45 | jeanmi_ | archpollux 2.6.8-1-686 |
| 07:04.02 | jeanmi_ | archpollux I installed lirc-modules-source |
| 07:04.03 | The_Vulture | Guerin: I concur with pipeline |
| 07:04.04 | pipeline | Guerin: I think you want http://www.inp.nsk.su/~bolkhov/files/fonts/univga/ |
| 07:04.12 | jeanmi_ | archpollux I then compiled the .deb and installed it |
| 07:04.25 | archpollux | jeanmi_: same here, it produces .o files instead of .ko |
| 07:04.33 | jeanmi_ | archpollux with mode2 I can see that my receivers receives the data from my remote |
| 07:04.46 | jeanmi_ | archpollux I used the one in unstable |
| 07:04.49 | Phossil | pipeline: 2.6.7 is a nice kernel - I'm only running 2.6.8 because I recently switched my main computer from a dual boot 2.6.7/windows to straight windows and I wanted a fresh install (installed with net-installer rc2) |
| 07:04.51 | archpollux | jeanmi_: same here |
| 07:04.55 | jeanmi_ | archpollux which kernel for you ? |
| 07:05.03 | archpollux | jeanmi_: 2.6.10 |
| 07:05.06 | loke | with a new harddrive that has never been formated what should i mount the -t type as? |
| 07:05.15 | jeanmi_ | archpollux what happens when you do mode2 ? |
| 07:05.16 | Phossil | pipeline: I mean straight linux not windows |
| 07:05.19 | pipeline | Phossil: Heh, I actually manually downloaded and re-installed 2.6.7 after problems compiling a module. |
| 07:05.23 | archpollux | loke: you should format it first |
| 07:05.25 | maher | loke: you can't - make a fs first |
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| 07:05.37 | simonrvn | 11loum, you need to specify the fs you made on the partition you want to mount |
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| 07:05.38 | loke | archpollux maher how? |
| 07:05.43 | simonrvn | meh |
| 07:05.48 | simonrvn | loke: um, you need to specify the fs you made on the partition you want to mount |
| 07:05.50 | archpollux | loke: hahoo huh? |
| 07:05.54 | maher | loke: mkfs.whatever /dev/whatever |
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| 07:06.05 | archpollux | jeanmi_: what's mode2? |
| 07:06.10 | simonrvn | loke: mkfs.foo /dev/barX |
| 07:06.12 | jeanmi_ | archpollux try it |
| 07:06.17 | archpollux | jeanmi_: how? |
| 07:06.18 | maher | loke: get the /dev/whatever bit right so you don't hose the wrong disc |
| 07:06.31 | Phossil | pipeline: I'm having alot of trouble getting my files back off of a fat32 drive - thats why I am considering upgrading |
| 07:06.37 | pipeline | loke: You want to partition the drive first, using "cfdisk <foo>" Then use "mke2fs -j <foo1>" |
| 07:06.37 | myren | how are unix sockets different from fifo's? |
| 07:06.45 | maher | loke: you might want to use fdisk to create some partitions first |
| 07:06.46 | jeanmi_ | maher /dev/whatever: No such file or directory |
| 07:06.50 | pipeline | Phossil: What sort of trouble? |
| 07:07.18 | maher | jeanmi_: om |
| 07:07.25 | jeanmi_ | maher just kidding ;) |
| 07:07.28 | rob0 | I use telnet when appropriate and with awareness of its weaknesses. Telnet over openvpn is fine for things like upgrading sshd. :) And I have no reason to worry about sniffers on my local network. |
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| 07:07.32 | Phossil | pipeline: it shows up in dmesg as hdb, but /dev/hdb doesn't show up |
| 07:07.43 | pipeline | Phossil: Are you using udev? |
| 07:07.52 | loke | maher pipeline simonrvn archpollux i just installed a new sata hd dmesg shows that the pci sata controller was given an irq but it says the harddrive is not responding? |
| 07:08.00 | Bogaurd | ok, i'd like to compile myself a kernel. can someone tell me a good apt-get source to get a fairly recent 2.4 kernel source from? |
| 07:08.00 | Phossil | pipeline: apparently I am using devfs, I'm not really sure how to check |
| 07:08.01 | archpollux | rob0: upgrading sshd doesn't distrupt current connections |
| 07:08.12 | archpollux | rob0: disrupt |
| 07:08.20 | bob2 | Bogaurd: on woody? backports.org, but there's no need to compile it... |
| 07:08.21 | loke | Bogaurd http://myrddin.org/howto/debian-kernel-recompile.php |
| 07:08.21 | pipeline | Phossil: run "mount" and look for an entry that says devfs, I expect. |
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| 07:08.55 | rob0 | archpollux: I did manage to break it once, but I admit it was a PEBKAC |
| 07:09.13 | archpollux | rob0: donno what a PEBKAC is |
| 07:09.14 | snookmz | any idea how to do tv out with an nvidia card? |
| 07:09.21 | archpollux | jeanmi_: so, what is mode2? |
| 07:09.23 | Phated | !pebkac |
| 07:09.23 | dpkg | i heard pebkac is Problem Exists Between Keyboard And Chair, or PEBCAK. PEBMAC, PICNIC |
| 07:09.33 | Phated | PICNIC? |
| 07:09.36 | archpollux | i see |
| 07:09.42 | maher | Phated: when you eat out in the park |
| 07:09.43 | pipeline | snookmz: That's going to be hairy. You're going to have to google for it. |
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| 07:09.57 | Phated | maher: That's a very strange concept. |
| 07:10.02 | snookmz | pipeline: tried to use nvtv, but it wasn't working, so i'm up for other ideas :P |
| 07:10.05 | Phossil | pipeline: nothing that says devfs - here is my dmesg /proc/ide/hdb is not a block device |
| 07:10.07 | Phossil | oops |
| 07:10.07 | jariep1_ | I'm looking for a HOWTO on installing multiple versions of Java on Debian. Can somebody tell me what search terms I should use to find it in google? I've already tried and couldn't find it. It needs to be a HOWTO for debian because of the alternatives system in Debian. |
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| 07:10.10 | Submarine | hi |
| 07:10.19 | snookmz | Zetabyte: btw, (heath) removing Xauthority worked, thanks for your help :) |
| 07:10.21 | maher | Phated: no its fun - you make some sandwiches and go for a little hike - its nice |
| 07:10.27 | Phossil | pipeline: http://www.pastebin.com/229427 |
| 07:10.27 | Submarine | on Debian testing, where do I set the modules to be loaded at boot time? /etc/modules? |
| 07:10.31 | Bogaurd | loke: i know how to do it, i'd like a source to get a recent 2.4 kernel source |
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| 07:11.27 | maher | Bogaurd: are you sure you need to build your own kernel - do you want vanilla or debian source |
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| 07:11.57 | Bogaurd | maher: yes, i'd like to build my own kernel, i'd like debian source |
| 07:12.11 | bob2 | jariep1_: why do you need ta howto? |
| 07:12.12 | snookmz | Submarine: yeah, /etc/modules |
| 07:12.23 | bob2 | jariep1_: just install them to /usr/local/java1.2, /usr/local/java1.3 etc |
| 07:12.23 | maher | Bogaurd: apt-cache search kernel-source, apt-get install the one you want |
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| 07:12.48 | AvengerMoJo | get a stupid question for 2.6.10 ... all a suddent I get eth1 like this --> eth1 Link encap:UNSPEC |
| 07:12.58 | AvengerMoJo | anyone know what is that net device from? |
| 07:13.07 | bob2 | AvengerMoJo: firewire? |
| 07:13.14 | AvengerMoJo | firewire oh |
| 07:13.15 | AvengerMoJo | thanks |
| 07:13.16 | AvengerMoJo | :) |
| 07:13.17 | Bogaurd | maher: i know that... but the most recent listed is 2.4.18. i'd like something newer |
| 07:13.19 | AvengerMoJo | get it |
| 07:13.41 | bob2 | Bogaurd: backports.org |
| 07:13.42 | AvengerMoJo | never try firewire to connect with other computer :P |
| 07:13.52 | bob2 | Bogaurd: but they have binaries, why not just use that? |
| 07:13.58 | batawata | hi! what debian package do I need to make xconfig with kernel? it complains about missing libqt, but I have libqt3c102-mt installed and there's no libqt3c102-mt-dev |
| 07:13.58 | maher | Bogaurd: are you on stable? look in the pool on your local debian mirror for testing/unstable ones |
| 07:14.08 | bob2 | so, debmirror wasn't hanging |
| 07:14.17 | bob2 | it was just downloading the 51MB X debug servers |
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| 07:14.22 | Bogaurd | maher: yes, i am on stable |
| 07:14.26 | bob2 | batawata: libqt3-mt-dev |
| 07:14.35 | bob2 | tho it is odd the -dev package as a broken soname |
| 07:14.47 | batawata | thanks! |
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| 07:14.59 | AvengerMoJo | batawata: I like menuconfig better... that way you can control your server with out X |
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| 07:16.04 | _zilch_ | hey |
| 07:16.11 | earl3982 | if i d/l the source for a debian package, how do i find the cmd line params for ./configure ? |
| 07:16.16 | batawata | AvengerMojo: I always use menuconfig, but I'm trying a fancy install with more graphics :-) |
| 07:16.24 | earl3982 | that it was compiled using |
| 07:16.30 | bob2 | earl3982: just use gentoo if you want to do that on a regular basis |
| 07:16.34 | bob2 | earl3982: but look at debian/rules |
| 07:16.35 | batawata | if I need to run from console I can install libncurses later |
| 07:16.37 | _zilch_ | why am I getting qt errors when I have installed all the libraries and tools that I can |
| 07:16.41 | maher | earl3982: look in debian/rules i think |
| 07:16.58 | bob2 | _zilch_: did you read /usr/share/doc/libqt3-mt-dev/README.Debian? |
| 07:17.21 | earl3982 | ok ty |
| 07:17.51 | bob2 | hm, I keep meaning to try gentoo |
| 07:18.15 | _zilch_ | nopes bob2 , I just installed it using synaptic |
| 07:18.17 | cthulfuego | bob2: I've been there and done that. |
| 07:18.29 | cthulfuego | bob2: it was like a visit back to 1993 |
| 07:18.36 | Guerin | pipeline: um, I hate to be a complete numpty, but what do I do with these fonts? |
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| 07:18.44 | bob2 | cthulfuego: haha |
| 07:18.47 | maher | cthulfuego: did everyone suddenly get bad haircuts? |
| 07:19.07 | pipeline | Guerin: Hmm. Let me check my notes from the last time I added a font to X :P |
| 07:19.07 | cthulfuego | maher: Where I lived people didn't have bad haircuts in '93 |
| 07:19.14 | Guerin | i mean; what's a .bdf for ad where does it live? |
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| 07:19.41 | maher | cthulfuego: n'mind, i'm probably thinking of '73 |
| 07:19.50 | McCabe | a while ago i activated 'complete.tsch'. It works fine in that sence that it tab-expands for ssh for example, but some other programs, like zless, it wont expand for at all.. cant figure out why!? also, is tehre a way to override it to show all filenames even if they dont match? |
| 07:19.55 | cthulfuego | maher: Wouldn't know, I didn't have hair back then. |
| 07:20.09 | cthulfuego | (but i *was* born) |
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| 07:22.42 | archpollux | jeanmi_: again, how did u compile the lirc modules for 2.6? |
| 07:22.44 | AvengerMoJo | what is the command to update the fonts.cache-1 |
| 07:22.46 | pipeline | Guerin: You know, I think bdf is just the old-school X font format. You should be able to put it into the same place as the old-school X fonts (/usr/X11R6/lib/X11/fonts/<something>) |
| 07:23.05 | pipeline | Guerin: I've forgotten what <something> is, but I imagine it depends on your font server / X server font paths. |
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| 07:23.41 | sean_micken | hmm... it takes like 11 seconds to login to SSH running on my debian server from another computer that's connected to the same switch, any ideas why? |
| 07:25.03 | jeanmi_ | archpollux I have downloaded the lirc-modules-source package and compiled as documented |
| 07:26.02 | Guerin | pipeline: hrm, the only other .bdf files I seem to have are part of some xemacs package. |
| 07:26.16 | archpollux | jeanmi_: what version or lirc-modules-source? |
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| 07:27.21 | jeanmi_ | archpollux 0.7.0.1-1 |
| 07:27.25 | marinos | hello i have problems with the 1.0-6629 nvidia drivers over a 2.6.8 Linux kernel on Debian testing, i get this warning if i reload devfs and oad the driver : http://curium.homeunix.org/~marinos/config/nvidia-1.0-6629-warning . X starts but everything unusable |
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| 07:29.04 | archpollux | hmm, i have 0.7.0pre8-1 |
| 07:29.09 | pipeline | Guerin: It's a pretty old format. Emacs has fonts in it so old that they haven't been used for anything BUT emacs in a decade or more. |
| 07:29.33 | pipeline | Guerin: Just dump the file into the same directory as the standard 75dpi or 100dpi fonts and X will find it. |
| 07:29.59 | _zilch_ | what do I have to do to fix the QT libraries problem |
| 07:30.32 | Guerin | haha |
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| 07:32.30 | pipeline | It would be funnier if I weren't kidding. |
| 07:32.37 | pipeline | er, were kidding |
| 07:34.05 | _zilch_ | help :( |
| 07:34.05 | archpollux | DAMMIT |
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| 07:34.26 | archpollux | i just upgraded to the latest lirc-modules-source and it still builds .o instead of .ko )))))): |
| 07:34.32 | Phated | pipeline: Some things are funny because they're true. |
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| 07:35.35 | _zilch_ | my smp kernel doesn't boot, says ungzip not found or something |
| 07:35.36 | _zilch_ | :( |
| 07:35.59 | gubidik | . |
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| 07:37.54 | npx | err |
| 07:37.56 | pipeline | _zilch_: That's, uh weird. Did you remove gzip from the kernel, then make a bzImage? |
| 07:38.05 | npx | You have to generate a fontlist for X to find your fonts |
| 07:38.11 | npx | it would be entirely too easy otherwise |
| 07:38.15 | pipeline | _zilch_: More importantly, why are you building your own kernel? |
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| 07:38.32 | pipeline | npx: Doesn't defoma do that for me? |
| 07:38.40 | _zilch_ | I didn't do anything to the kernel, I downloaded the kernel-headers, kernel-image ,etc from synaptic |
| 07:38.43 | _zilch_ | for the smp kernel |
| 07:38.47 | npx | I've never messed with defoma |
| 07:38.53 | _zilch_ | neither have I tried compiling my own kernel |
| 07:39.28 | _zilch_ | 2.6.8-1-386 |
| 07:39.32 | _zilch_ | for now I have that kernel |
| 07:39.45 | npx | I always sorta felt that defoma was a kludge on top of a kludge, which was in turn part of another enormous kludge |
| 07:39.54 | _zilch_ | I downloaded the kernel headers, image etc for 2.6.8-1.686-smp |
| 07:39.54 | npx | Kinda like the autotools |
| 07:40.14 | npx | Except slightly more annoying, inasmuch as I can't figure out what purpose it serves or how to use it |
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| 07:40.59 | npx | Does defoma manage all my fonts? what about xftconfig and antialiasing? what about the kde fonts installation dialog? will fonts installed with that be universally usable by X applications? who the hell knows?! |
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| 07:41.23 | pipeline | I have no idea how fonts work, either. |
| 07:41.25 | _zilch_ | y0 Skiver |
| 07:41.26 | _zilch_ | lol |
| 07:41.28 | pipeline | I just trust the font server to figure it the hell out. |
| 07:41.35 | Skiver | eh ? |
| 07:41.37 | _zilch_ | its me |
| 07:41.44 | Skiver | azazel ? |
| 07:41.46 | _zilch_ | yeps |
| 07:41.48 | npx | I've always thought the concept of a font server was pretty damn funny |
| 07:41.56 | Skiver | haha okay |
| 07:42.04 | npx | It makes me imagine a machine dedicated to serving fonts to a network of dumb X terminals |
| 07:42.21 | Skiver | hi guys, is there a command to show all the environment variables ???? |
| 07:42.26 | dadexter | env? |
| 07:42.32 | pipeline | npx: There once were such things. |
| 07:42.41 | npx | Yeah, I know |
| 07:42.47 | _zilch_ | neat |
| 07:42.57 | _zilch_ | is there a way to get an smp kernel working on debian |
| 07:42.57 | npx | Did they not realize that just sharing a filesystem with the fonts on it would make way more sense? |
| 07:43.19 | Skiver | ah, thank you dadexter |
| 07:43.21 | pipeline | npx: A lot of X terminals used tftp instead |
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| 07:43.33 | pipeline | npx: But that really proved more complicated than just having font servers. |
| 07:43.48 | npx | They used tftp to boot |
| 07:43.55 | npx | once the OS is initialized you could just share fonts via NFS |
| 07:44.07 | pipeline | npx: X terminals don't use an OS. Or NFS. |
| 07:44.19 | asomeleck | l |
| 07:44.27 | pipeline | npx: And some of the HCD X-terms did indeed use TFTP for fonts, not just to fetch a kernel. |
| 07:44.57 | npx | uhhh, really? that's interesting. So they ran a kernel and an X server, and that doesn't qualify as an operating system? |
| 07:45.00 | nevyn | hrm my NCD uses NFS |
| 07:45.33 | pipeline | npx: It's not an operating system by most measures, since it's only capable of running one program. |
| 07:46.06 | Phated | Like DOS? :) |
| 07:46.06 | pipeline | _zilch_: I'm running SMP right now. I had no problems. I just installed it and it worked. You haven't given us a very good description of your problem, however. |
| 07:46.19 | pipeline | Phated: No, not like DOS. One program, total. Not just one program at a time. |
| 07:46.31 | Phated | Ohhh. Right. |
| 07:46.35 | pipeline | npx: Also, NFS is a security nightmare. xfs is not. |
| 07:46.40 | _zilch_ | pipeline: could you tell me where you got your smp kernel from and what all did you get to install it? |
| 07:47.00 | Bogaurd | if i decide to compile my own kernel, and it is not the same version as i am currently running, can i still use my old config? |
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| 07:47.28 | Skiver | anyone here experienced in secondary text input for GTK programs under english environment ??? |
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| 07:47.32 | pipeline | _zilch_: I got it via apt-get. "apt-get install kernel-image-2.6.7-1-k7-smp" |
| 07:47.48 | _zilch_ | ohh okay, pipeline |
| 07:47.52 | pipeline | Bogaurd: Maybe, maybe not. |
| 07:48.03 | Phated | Bogaurd: If you're running a 2.4 and want to compile a 2.6, no. If you're running a 2.6 and want to compile a 2.6, yes. |
| 07:48.09 | _zilch_ | I did the same , except I used synaptic to get kernel-image-2.6.8-1-686-smp |
| 07:48.09 | Bogaurd | cool |
| 07:48.09 | pipeline | _zilch_: You only need the headers if you're building modules against the binary kernel. |
| 07:48.17 | pipeline | _zilch_: That should have been fine. |
| 07:48.20 | _zilch_ | ohh okay |
| 07:48.27 | _zilch_ | so should I uninstall the headers ? |
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| 07:48.38 | pipeline | _zilch_: What happened? Just installing the kernel image should have been fine. The headers are irrelevant at this point. |
| 07:48.54 | Phated | _zilch_: What, precisely, is going wrong with the system? |
| 07:48.58 | _zilch_ | alright, I tried booting using grub command line. but it failed |
| 07:49.08 | Bogaurd | Phated: if i want to compile a recent 2.4.x kernel for woody, how can i do this? do i need to add a new entry to my /etc/apt/sources.list ? at the moment, the newest kernel-source i can get is 2.4.19 |
| 07:49.15 | pipeline | _zilch_: "It failed" isnat' specific enough. |
| 07:49.24 | pipeline | Bogaurd: Why don't you just install a binary package? |
| 07:49.29 | Phated | Bogaurd: OK... You can work with 2.4.19. |
| 07:49.36 | _zilch_ | well, it gives some error about the initrd, stating that ungzip failed for the kernel image |
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| 07:49.53 | pipeline | _zilch_: That's still pretty vague. Did you forget to use an initrd at the grub command line? |
| 07:49.56 | Phated | Bogaurd: And does this system need to stay on woody? ie, is it a server or something production-critical? |
| 07:50.01 | Bogaurd | pipeline: i need to patch some stuff against it |
| 07:50.09 | Bogaurd | Phated: yep, its a server |
| 07:50.11 | _zilch_ | nopes I did not pipeline , infact I used the smp one specfically |
| 07:50.15 | Phated | Oh well. |
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| 07:50.37 | borisrus | hi ppl |
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| 07:50.49 | pipeline | _zilch_: You're not giving me much to work with here. You can't even tell me what happened. Perhaps the kernel file is corrupt; try uninstalling and reinstalling it. |
| 07:51.08 | _zilch_ | alright, lemme reboot and wirte down the errors |
| 07:51.09 | Randall | Is there a way to change the order alsa modules are loaded? In 32-bit sarge I snd_bt87x is loaded after the soundcard, but first in amd64. |
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| 07:51.12 | _zilch_ | brb |
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| 07:52.54 | tobehz | I'm trying to run startx, but it always fails to find a screen with a "usable configuration." I've created the configuration with the debconf that is launched when I got it through apt, and I tried to do it with xf86config, but it still fails. Are there any good guides on lcds w/ xfree86 or is this stupid something silly I'm overlooking? :P |
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| 07:53.32 | Randall | tobehz: /etc/X11/XFree86.0.log is a good thing to start looking at |
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| 07:53.44 | Randall | <PROTECTED> |
| 07:53.47 | tobehz | Randall: I did, and it says the same thing that startx dump does |
| 07:54.02 | tobehz | everything else is really cryptic, at best. |
| 07:54.04 | Randall | tobehz: No EE lines or somesuch? |
| 07:54.13 | tobehz | hmm, let me check |
| 07:54.39 | tobehz | Screen(s) found, but not usable configuration. |
| 07:54.44 | tobehz | thats the only (EE) line |
| 07:54.50 | tobehz | s/not/no/ |
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| 07:55.53 | Randall | tobehz: It should detect your chipset and find modes that'll work with your monitor. You may as well get used to looking at that log. You'll see it enough. |
| 07:56.04 | tobehz | alright |
| 07:56.12 | nat__ | can someone help me with apt-get? |
| 07:56.19 | tobehz | I'll see if maybe my settings aren't conservative enough |
| 07:56.23 | Randall | nat: noone, sorry |
| 07:56.33 | tobehz | try it at 640x480 or something, might work :> |
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| 07:56.58 | Guerin | ok, having put the .bdf font into my font path doesn't halp; converting it to a pcf font hasn't helped either. Do I have to do some cleverness other than restarting X to get new fonts? |
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| 07:58.14 | nat__ | apt-get doesn't seem to have anything new. (gaim for instance) how to a find a mirror that actually has new packages? |
| 07:58.29 | Randall | nat: What release are you running? |
| 07:58.37 | nat__ | 3.0rc4 |
| 07:59.02 | Randall | nat: There won't be anything new in stable for a few more years. I'd recommend upgrading to sarge (testing). |
| 07:59.09 | scarynetworkguy | nat__: On stable new packages should be few and far between. |
| 07:59.09 | streuner_ | tobehz: what videocard do you have? |
| 07:59.13 | tobehz | gf2 mx ddr |
| 07:59.16 | nat__ | ahh |
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| 07:59.21 | nat__ | that's what I was affraid of |
| 07:59.37 | scarynetworkguy | And with only a couple of expections only security stuff. |
| 08:00.09 | streuner_ | tobehz: check out xfree86 site, some chipset (nvidia) are supported, but not the most. |
| 08:00.53 | tobehz | streuner_: is there even just a generic driver i can use? |
| 08:00.57 | Randall | tobehz: You might just want to install the nvidia binary drivers. |
| 08:01.00 | neenee | morning. |
| 08:01.06 | streuner_ | tobehz: 'nv' |
| 08:01.15 | tobehz | 640x480 with a wm is better than 640x480 in a terminal :P |
| 08:01.19 | tobehz | streuner_: ill try that |
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| 08:01.28 | Randall | tobehz: apt-cache search nvidia |
| 08:01.28 | quacker | Good morning all UTC -8 and less |
| 08:01.38 | streuner_ | tobehz: that's the name of xfree's driver. |
| 08:01.42 | Willis | anyone good at assisting in a install ? |
| 08:01.54 | Randall | Willis: noone, sorry |
| 08:02.02 | nat__ | ok, well thanks, I guess I shouldn't have been a wimp and gone stable :) |
| 08:02.06 | streuner_ | tobehz: if you still get the same error, just /msg dpkg nividia |
| 08:02.15 | sbk | 80x24 in screen is better than any piddlin' window manager (well. for me at least :-) |
| 08:02.32 | Randall | nat: The labels are misleading. |
| 08:02.37 | xoz_ | Guerin: tried mkfontdir? mkfontscale? |
| 08:02.38 | Bogaurd | why does dpkg give me 'parse errors'? |
| 08:02.59 | nat__ | good grief, how many of the sarge cd's do I really need? |
| 08:03.09 | Gumby | does anyone in here know how to use a different dont with Eterm? every time I try specify a different font it tells me "Eterm: Error: Unable to load font "Serif". Falling back on "fixed"" |
| 08:03.42 | xoz_ | Gumby: try xlsfonts |
| 08:03.48 | Bogaurd | why does dpkg give me 'parse errors'? |
| 08:04.17 | streuner_ | Bogaurd: my crystal-thingie is in low-stats, give us more details |
| 08:04.19 | Guerin | xoz_: had to do xset fp rehash |
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| 08:04.35 | Bogaurd | oh, sorry, not dpkg in debian |
| 08:04.38 | Bogaurd | the irc bot |
| 08:04.54 | Bogaurd | '/msg dpkg |
| 08:05.01 | Bogaurd | he gives me parse errors :P |
| 08:05.04 | streuner_ | Bogaurd: the factoid doesn't exist |
| 08:05.15 | quacker | I know how to use all the common args and switches for ifup; ifdown; ifconfig; route; netstat; and to edit /etc/network/interfaces... but I can't seem to make sarge use a particular DNS host without relying on a DHCP enabled interfaceto grab it from my router. Can anyone paste a howto URL or at least the name of the appropiate bash or UNIX command, script or program -- I can't find anything in cat; man; info so far either. |
| 08:05.17 | quacker | =(( |
| 08:05.17 | Guerin | Bogaurd: that's what happens when de doesn't know wtf you're on about |
| 08:05.22 | Gumby | xoz_: doesnt matter what I try. nothing works |
| 08:05.53 | Bogaurd | Guerin: cool, that was the general idea :) he asked me about a breakbox, so i decided to give an equally stupid answer |
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| 08:06.13 | streuner_ | heh |
| 08:06.22 | cthulfuego | alka_trash: http://incubator.vislab.usyd.edu.au/roller/page/Steve/20040909 |
| 08:06.24 | streuner_ | dpkg ask things too ;-) |
| 08:06.24 | dpkg | streuner_: I give up, what is it? |
| 08:06.24 | quacker | And I'm not running BIND-9 either. Just whatever is in the kernel or default dpkg install. |
| 08:06.42 | cthulfuego | grr |
| 08:06.44 | Bogaurd | ok lets see if it works again |
| 08:06.49 | Bogaurd | dpkg, Of course I didn't not forgot to done it |
| 08:06.49 | dpkg | Bogaurd: I give up, what is it? |
| 08:06.56 | Bogaurd | damn, didnt do a parse error |
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| 08:07.06 | quacker | Host, nslookup, and dig all fail. |
| 08:07.18 | quacker | (they are all properly installed) |
| 08:07.31 | xoz_ | Gumby: tried Eterm -F vga or whatever font |
| 08:07.38 | Faustus | hi |
| 08:07.49 | Guerin | i was going to prime him with a bunch of specific answers to common responses to his 'are you smoking crack' questions, but I never got around to it. |
| 08:08.04 | quacker | Anyone know how to tell debian how to find my ISP's nameservers without using DHCP? |
| 08:08.10 | dawg | quacker, edit /etc/resolv.conf |
| 08:08.12 | Guerin | pipeline: cheers for the font; it's authentique :) |
| 08:08.23 | scarynetworkguy | quacker: man 5 interfaces |
| 08:08.34 | Gumby | xoz_: yes |
| 08:08.46 | quacker | Should I add a line to hosts.ini perhaps... ah TY -- BBIWhile to thank you/or ask for more help |
| 08:08.47 | xoz_ | Gumby: no luck? |
| 08:08.53 | Gumby | xoz_: Eterm -F Serif tells me serif font cant be found |
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| 08:09.26 | sbk | quacker: dunno if there's a specific Debian (all praise debian) way, but a combination of /etc/nsswitch.conf and /etc/resolv.conf usually do the trick for me :-) |
| 08:09.33 | _zilch_ | hey pipeline |
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| 08:09.42 | _zilch_ | are you around? |
| 08:10.14 | xoz_ | Gumby: damn, you have to specify the name of serif font. xlsfonts|grep -i serif |
| 08:10.24 | loke | im following the qmail faq i there is no ucspi-tcp-src package on apt? |
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| 08:10.41 | streuner_ | cthulfuego: looks very easy to me, isn't it? ;-) |
| 08:11.02 | _zilch_ | Bringing up 2 CPUs | Checking if image is initramfs ... it isn't (ungzip failed); looks like an initrd | freeing initrd memory 4748 K |
| 08:11.03 | arnducky | sbk -- TY -- I've looked at man(5) for interfaces before and I suspect it's not what I need but out of respect to scarynetworkguy, I'm going to look again. Maybe you can help me if I'm back here *too* soon (to just be saying 'thanks'). |
| 08:11.12 | _zilch_ | what do I get such an error while booting a smp kernel |
| 08:11.52 | scarynetworkguy | Abyss: Do you have a static IP or are you getting it via DHCP? |
| 08:12.04 | scarynetworkguy | arnducky: Do you have a static IP or are you getting it via DHCP? |
| 08:12.04 | Gumby | xoz_: even if I do this..." Eterm -F adobe-courier-bold-o-normal--0-0-100-100-m-0-iso10646-1" it tells me that "adobe-courier-bold-o-normal--0-0-100-100-m-0-iso10646-1" cant be loaded |
| 08:13.06 | arnducky | scarynetworkguy, please read the concise remarks I pasted earlier, or I can open PRIV_MSG QUERY session with you if you want a 'rehash'/ |
| 08:13.13 | Guerin | Gumby: did you copy that from xfontsel? |
| 08:13.18 | arnducky | and both |
| 08:13.26 | Gumby | Guerin: yes |
| 08:13.29 | Gumby | copy/paste |
| 08:13.36 | Gumby | no typing involved so no typos :) |
| 08:13.39 | arnducky | I have 5 i/f counting 127.x.y.z |
| 08:13.51 | scarynetworkguy | arnducky: No thanks. Long story short if you have a static man 5 interfaces is what you want if not just edit /etc/resolv.conf |
| 08:13.57 | loke | when you guys do an apt-cache search ucspi how many packages come up? |
| 08:14.10 | Guerin | Gumby: ok. I wondered if the two - together (normal--) was the error, but clearly not |
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| 08:14.17 | arnducky | No, you're wrong. |
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| 08:14.35 | Gumby | loke: 4 |
| 08:14.37 | arnducky | I've read that entire man file several times in the last few months |
| 08:14.53 | loke | Gumby is one ucspi-tcp-src? |
| 08:14.58 | Guerin | arnducky: it is; read it again. |
| 08:15.03 | arnducky | It supports adding gateways but NOT adding nameservers. |
| 08:15.05 | Gumby | loke: yep |
| 08:15.20 | loke | Gumby what is you apt source? |
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| 08:15.28 | _zilch_ | hello |
| 08:15.29 | arnducky | Would you like SSH on this host so I can use screen to go through it line by line with you. |
| 08:15.37 | xoz_ | Gumby: you forgot to add "-" in the beginning? |
| 08:15.38 | Bogaurd | is the kernel 3.4 preempt patch worth installing? |
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| 08:15.43 | _zilch_ | has anyone successfully installed the 2.6.8-1-686-smp kernel? |
| 08:15.53 | bucky | arnducky, http://www.debian.org/doc/manuals/reference/ch-gateway.en.html#s-high-static |
| 08:15.54 | Bogaurd | kernel 2.4 that'd be |
| 08:15.56 | loke | Gumby ? |
| 08:16.08 | arnducky | Please let's consider resolv.conf or something else... bucky I'll have a look TY. |
| 08:16.12 | bucky | dns-nameservers 195.238.2.21 195.238.2.22 |
| 08:16.16 | Gumby | loke: ftp.cz.debian.org |
| 08:16.21 | loke | Gumby ok |
| 08:16.24 | loke | thanks |
| 08:16.24 | bucky | or whatever |
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| 08:17.05 | loke | Gumby is it ftp? |
| 08:17.11 | Gumby | yes |
| 08:17.45 | arnducky | TY, bucky -- that is MUCH more verbose than the man and, man(5) and man(8) pages |
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| 08:18.05 | Bogaurd | is the 2.4 kernel prrempt patch worth installing? |
| 08:18.13 | bucky | arnducky, use the debian reference thats what its for |
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| 08:19.01 | loke | wtf |
| 08:19.12 | loke | my apt is fucked up some how |
| 08:19.32 | loke | i am not getting all the possible packages when i apt-cache search |
| 08:20.07 | stew | loke: what is missing? |
| 08:20.11 | Guerin | grrr, anyone know if the dock in waimea can auto-hide |
| 08:20.12 | Guerin | ? |
| 08:20.18 | loke | stew ucspi-tcp-src |
| 08:20.21 | Phated | Explain what you mean by "all possible packages". |
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| 08:20.41 | loke | stew, kernel-source-2.6.7 |
| 08:20.51 | bob2 | loke: on sid? |
| 08:20.53 | stew | loke: which debian release? |
| 08:20.56 | loke | sarge |
| 08:21.03 | stew | !info ucspi-tcp-src sarge |
| 08:21.05 | dpkg | ucspi-tcp-src: (Source only package for building ucspi-tcp binary package), section non-free/net, is optional. Version: 0.88-9 (sarge), Packaged size: 66 kB, Installed size: 136 kB |
| 08:21.06 | bob2 | !+info kernel-source-2.6.7 sarge |
| 08:21.07 | dpkg | Package 'kernel-source-2.6.7' does not exist. |
| 08:21.17 | loke | k |
| 08:21.18 | stew | loke: you have non-free in your sources.list? |
| 08:21.20 | bob2 | loke: it's almost as if obsolete kernels get removed |
| 08:21.23 | loke | stew no |
| 08:21.26 | bob2 | oh, wait! |
| 08:21.28 | arnducky | bucky I just ran catman and I have about 40 howtos from ldp.org -- I've never run into those pages on ~.debian.org or ~.d2.babylon.net -- I'm dense where's the index link? |
| 08:21.30 | stew | loke: there you go |
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| 08:21.54 | stew | loke: why do you want old kernel source? |
| 08:21.57 | loke | stew, just add non-free deb ftp://ftp.cz.debian.org/debian/ testing main non-free? |
| 08:22.08 | stew | yeah |
| 08:22.09 | loke | stew better support for orinoco wifi |
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| 08:22.38 | stew | loke: there is something wrong with orinoco wifi support in 2.6.8-1? |
| 08:22.55 | loke | stew yes |
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| 08:23.00 | arnducky | <PROTECTED> |
| 08:23.08 | loke | stew the monitor patch by dragorn fails |
| 08:23.25 | stew | whatever that is. orinoco works great for me in 2.6.8 |
| 08:23.35 | loke | stew monitor mode? |
| 08:23.42 | stew | oh i dunno |
| 08:23.56 | bucky | arnducky, letsee |
| 08:24.02 | loke | stew monitor modes is promiscuous, for kismet, aircrak, airsnort |
| 08:24.12 | loke | promiscous mode |
| 08:24.30 | Bogaurd | stew: thankyou for helping me yesterday :) |
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| 08:24.31 | bucky | arnducky, http://www.debian.org/doc/manuals/reference/reference.en.html |
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| 08:24.54 | stew | Bogaurd: you're welcome! were you the one trying to get qos going? did you get it going? |
| 08:25.17 | bucky | arnducky, and http://www.debian.org/doc/ |
| 08:25.23 | Bogaurd | stew: i sure did :) compiling a new kernel and pacthing it with the HTB patch worked well |
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| 08:25.54 | arnducky | buck, if you're up for it please tell me if you know why an eth%N (inet) interface bound to a static IP would be able to make a default route to my gateway sometimes and othertimes not? |
| 08:26.20 | Bogaurd | stew: sadly, for some reason my hard drives are now 'performing' at about 4mb/s max. i'll try compiling 2.4.19 seeing as i can now :) |
| 08:26.43 | arnducky | It ALWAYS seems to work if I let the gateway/switch config the enif |
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| 08:27.04 | tobehz | streuner_: here? :/ |
| 08:27.19 | stew | Bogaurd: according to what? according to bonnie++? |
| 08:27.29 | arnducky | but only sometimes when I assign a static -- I always look in the FIB but never see a difference excpet the default rotue changes |
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| 08:27.52 | streuner_ | tobehz: yep |
| 08:27.53 | arnducky | I'm wondering if my router is broken! |
| 08:28.11 | Bogaurd | stew: eh? bonnie++? i tested the hd with hdparm, and i was only able to achive 3-4mb/s via ftp on my lan... and it generated 100% cpu usage on the linux box |
| 08:28.13 | tobehz | streuner_: can't seem to install any of the debs or compile the nvidia binary :( |
| 08:28.26 | arnducky | (not likely since it runs a VERY SMALL and STABLE linux kernel too) |
| 08:28.51 | arnducky | ((on firmware adn NVRAM)) |
| 08:28.59 | tobehz | streuner_: is there a driver i can use JUST for getting a picture on the screen? |
| 08:29.02 | streuner_ | tobehz: what kernel do you have? |
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| 08:29.49 | tobehz | streuner_: 2.4.20-bf2.4-xfs |
| 08:29.49 | arnducky | http://www.debian.org/usr/share/doc/ifupdown/examples/network-interfaces.gz <-- 404 error |
| 08:29.49 | cabbie | Has anyone had trouble getting a Sandisk USB flash drive to work under debian? |
| 08:29.49 | tobehz | The nvidia binary compile said cross-compiling was fine, and I got the 2.4.20 sources |
| 08:29.50 | stew | Bogaurd: if you have 100% cpu, i woudn't blame the HD |
| 08:29.52 | streuner_ | tobehz: that prolly wouldn't work with 'nvidia debs' factoid, did you read nvidia howto? |
| 08:29.59 | tobehz | streuner_: aye |
| 08:30.03 | stew | Bogaurd: lemme guess, rt8139? |
| 08:30.11 | Bogaurd | stew: it is only on hd access |
| 08:30.13 | tobehz | that is the one where you compile, and that failed when i tried to compile |
| 08:30.14 | The_Vulture | arnducky: so look at the examples on youjr own system.. |
| 08:30.23 | The_Vulture | arnducky: /usr/share/doc/ifupdown/examples/ |
| 08:30.30 | streuner_ | tobehz: what error? |
| 08:30.45 | tobehz | streuner_: |
| 08:30.47 | tobehz | err |
| 08:30.47 | tobehz | sec |
| 08:30.48 | arnducky | They are sparse -- the page I have remotely looks great |
| 08:30.51 | Bogaurd | stew: i have an 8139 network card or something... dunno if that is what you mean? |
| 08:31.00 | stew | yup, they are crap |
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| 08:31.20 | Bogaurd | would that be limiting my hd performance though? |
| 08:31.30 | tobehz | modversions.h missing or something |
| 08:31.42 | stew | Bogaurd: no, it would be causing your cpu to be doing some of the work of your ethernet card |
| 08:31.49 | bob2 | tobehz: er, you don't build modules against random source trees |
| 08:32.00 | bob2 | tobehz: you build them against the correct set of kernel headers for the target kernel |
| 08:32.05 | mike__ | how do i recompile the kernel after ive selected all the things that i wanted to include.. just make or make modules, make modules_install ? |
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| 08:32.15 | Bogaurd | stew: ok... but do you know what could explain the max 4mb/s? |
| 08:32.17 | bob2 | ew |
| 08:32.18 | tobehz | there is no 'correct' set of kernel headers for the netinst disk I'm using |
| 08:32.21 | stew | Bogaurd: bonnie++ is a good tool for measuring hd performance |
| 08:32.29 | tobehz | or the disk I used, rather. |
| 08:32.30 | bob2 | tobehz: then you're screwed |
| 08:32.32 | stew | Bogaurd: ftp is not |
| 08:32.34 | arnducky | Bogaurd, rt8139 needs to be compiled optionally -- not every installer will autoprobe for that family -- when you run base-config (or do initial install) select from the list of optional driver modules under the 'network' category |
| 08:32.44 | streuner_ | tobehz: in other words, just use an official kernel |
| 08:32.44 | The_Vulture | tobehz: why not? does it use some randomly configured kernel? |
| 08:32.49 | stew | arnducky: why are you telling him this? |
| 08:32.55 | bob2 | tobehz: if you can find the config and drop it in the source, you might be able to build the kernel source and get something close enough |
| 08:33.12 | Bogaurd | stew: i ddint benchmark with ftp. i used hdparm -t /dev/hda. i got a max of 4mb/s, opposed to the usual 30mb/s |
| 08:33.26 | The_Vulture | tobehz: if it's a debian install it'll be a stock debian kernel like bf24 or something |
| 08:33.27 | streuner_ | tobehz: apt-cache search kernel-image-2.4 |
| 08:33.32 | mike__ | ive only recompiled using lilo and an old kernel |
| 08:34.08 | tobehz | streuner_: there is no 2.4.20 set of headers |
| 08:34.10 | arnducky | because have I run dozens of Realtek cards (I used to sell them), and I've noticed soem funny issues if they are not installed 'manually', stew |
| 08:34.32 | streuner_ | tobehz: install a kernel which has the headers then |
| 08:34.51 | stew | Bogaurd: when you said, "and i was only able to achive 3-4mb/s via ftp on my lan..." i guess i got confused. |
| 08:35.04 | Bogaurd | stew: not a prob mate |
| 08:35.20 | Bogaurd | arnducky: thanks :) |
| 08:35.20 | loke | i followed the FAQ on qmail, now how do i configure qmail? |
| 08:35.25 | tobehz | streuner_: couldn't I just build a new kernel, and use that source? |
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| 08:35.35 | tobehz | since it would be the 'proper' source. |
| 08:35.56 | streuner_ | tobehz: sure... |
| 08:36.07 | tobehz | alright, I shall try that. |
| 08:36.17 | Bogaurd | stew: so you reckon compiling 2.4.19 would help for this hd performance? maybe it was because i patched 2.4.18 with the kernel-preempt patch that its not working too well? |
| 08:36.20 | sbk | Bogaurd: out of curiosity, I take it you verified that the drive was set to the same parameters? (and what version gave you 30mb versus 4 mb?) |
| 08:36.45 | tobehz | Bogaurd: there are plenty of hd optimization guides using hdparm |
| 08:36.51 | stew | Bogaurd: i wouldn't expect an increase in HD performance from 2.4.18 to 2.4.19 or 2.x.x for that matter |
| 08:37.09 | Bogaurd | sbk: ive been trying params all day :) the 30mb was on my old distro, rh9 |
| 08:37.20 | Bogaurd | stew: hmm ok |
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| 08:37.31 | arnducky | Bogaurd they are a GOOD and well-supported chipset which is found in many 'non-brand' OEM cards (i.e. D-Link, Netgear, Linksys even) if you can forgive the intial config issue. ou should see solid 10/100 performance even with LARGE tx ques. 10-30 Mbps sound jsut whacked. |
| 08:37.36 | stew | Bogaurd: you can always use the kernel from your rh9 if you wish |
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| 08:38.08 | Faustus | does anyone here have experience with bug 143704? |
| 08:38.19 | stew | arnducky: you think maybe a new network card might fix his HD performance? |
| 08:38.25 | streuner_ | !dbugs 143704 |
| 08:38.30 | dpkg | DONE:#143704:N[xsane] xsane: Old config file causes segfault (upstream, wontfix) [#253962,#254460] |
| 08:38.45 | Faustus | holy crap you knew! |
| 08:38.51 | acetech | can anyone tell me if what I would use to format a fat32 partition? |
| 08:39.08 | hipp | acetech, fdisk |
| 08:39.14 | TerminX | acetech: mkfs.vfat |
| 08:39.20 | streuner_ | !info dosfstools |
| 08:39.23 | dpkg | dosfstools: (Utilities to create and check MS-DOS FAT filesystems), section otherosfs, is optional. Version: 2.10-1 (sid), Packaged size: 50 kB, Installed size: 144 kB |
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| 08:39.37 | sbk | Bogaurd: this is probably more related to the driver rather than the kernel code per-se. I *think* redhat has some hdparm stuff turned on in its rc.d scripts |
| 08:39.52 | loke | does qmail do smtp or pop3? |
| 08:39.55 | arnducky | stew: maybe I missed something, but it's a very busy channel. I read seeral posts about low FTP speeds which is not an internal i/o issue as such... |
| 08:39.56 | arnducky | =P |
| 08:39.56 | Faustus | dpkg: can oyou confirm that removing the configuration file allow xsane to run with regular user? |
| 08:39.58 | hipp | how does anyone know how manmy system devices can be run under a 220W PSU? |
| 08:39.58 | dpkg | You are moron #23, Faustus |
| 08:39.59 | Bogaurd | sbk: hmm interesting |
| 08:40.04 | streuner_ | loke: #qmail |
| 08:40.11 | loke | streuner_ ok |
| 08:40.20 | hipp | Faustus, his a bot |
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| 08:40.29 | mono | i am trying to add an additional partition to my table. when i run df -h i can only see my main partition / and my swap partition. how do i add my additional paritition? |
| 08:40.29 | Faustus | oh and why am I a moran? |
| 08:40.39 | hipp | Faustus, u probably rnt |
| 08:40.48 | stew | Faustus: becuase you said something sufficiently long that the bot couldn't parse |
| 08:40.48 | doleyb | Faustus: because you expect like dpkg can answer you |
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| 08:40.49 | hipp | Faustus, just says random things |
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| 08:41.03 | arnducky | FTP is obviously a netwrok protocol and trhoughput will depend primarily on linespeed and nmetwork latency not internal stuff which is orders of magnitude faster thatn the former stuff. |
| 08:41.13 | stew | arnducky: you are way behind |
| 08:41.15 | Faustus | lol |
| 08:41.36 | hipp | !info dpkg psu |
| 08:41.40 | arnducky | I saw something about a USB SanDisk -- is that it? |
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| 08:41.49 | Bogaurd | stew & arnducky: i appreciate the help though :) |
| 08:41.55 | arnducky | that would account for 3-4 Mbps |
| 08:42.01 | streuner_ | hipp: /msg dpkg info foo |
| 08:42.09 | hipp | sorry bar |
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| 08:42.31 | acetech | if i run fdisk on an unused partition to change the type to fat32 will it mess with the linux partition? |
| 08:42.42 | hipp | acetech, nah |
| 08:42.52 | acetech | cool, thanks hipp |
| 08:42.52 | sbk | Bogaurd: if you still have any vestiges of your rh9 configuration around elsewhere, it looks like /etc/sysconfig/harddisks might be worth investigating |
| 08:42.56 | Faustus | so I guess no scanner users here |
| 08:44.03 | Bogaurd | sbk, ok, ill login to my mates box. it has rh9. |
| 08:44.13 | maher | Faustus: i use a scanner |
| 08:44.51 | Faustus | with sarge? how did you get around runnng non-root? |
| 08:45.07 | Bogaurd | sbk: everything in that file is commented |
| 08:45.25 | Faustus | listed as a bug http://bugs.debian.org/cgi-bin/bugreport.cgi?bug=143704 |
| 08:45.45 | marinos | Faustus: add your user to the devices group |
| 08:45.50 | Faustus | potentially removing a file fixes this |
| 08:45.52 | scarynetworkguy | arnducky: Do *not* msg me. Ever. |
| 08:46.09 | Faustus | do you mean the scanner group? |
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| 08:46.12 | sbk | Bogaurd: ah, oh well -- I'm not familiar myself, only saw it referred to elsewhere. You might want to poke around the rc scripts too, to see what (if) hdparm is doing |
| 08:46.15 | arnducky | 'Pissy' aren't you? |
| 08:46.27 | Bogaurd | sbk: ok |
| 08:46.31 | maher | Faustus: that's a bug about the config file |
| 08:46.37 | marinos | if ls -l /dev/scanner gives you group scanner ... |
| 08:46.42 | scarynetworkguy | arnducky: Nope. Those who know me will wonder why I'm being so nice. |
| 08:46.55 | Faustus | because I have added my user to the scanner group with no luck |
| 08:47.10 | sbk | Bogaurd: in any case -- my suggestion is to stick to a "stable" (== one of the pre-compiled debian) kernels -- it'll just avoid complicating issues with possible other problems. |
| 08:47.16 | arnducky | Well, do you mind answering the question if I post it in here? (I thought it was more 'apropos' in private)? |
| 08:47.25 | maher | Faustus: what do you do, what error do you get |
| 08:47.27 | Phated | Nothing is ever apropos in private. |
| 08:47.31 | marinos | Faustus: and is the divice rw for user and group ? |
| 08:47.43 | stew | arnducky: its considered quite impolite in here to /msg someone without permission |
| 08:47.50 | sbk | Bogaurd: still think some magic hdparm setting is out there (like others said.) But, hey. tweaking hdparm is also, um, entertaining :-) |
| 08:48.03 | dampjam | Any easy way to setup a templated chroot jail for each user? |
| 08:48.14 | scarynetworkguy | arnducky: No. |
| 08:48.43 | stew | Phated: nothing? :P |
| 08:48.45 | Faustus | sorry I don't have sareg installed right now. I ask to see if the bug has a simple work around cause I want to install sarge |
| 08:48.50 | Phated | stew: Nothing. :) |
| 08:49.00 | Bogaurd | sbk: i am looking. i have got it up to 7mb/s. still a quarter of the speed it should be |
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| 08:49.09 | arnducky | scarynetworkguy, do you have anything to do with S... I did read your topic and dpkg help... many channels say that to prevent spam, I had no idea you took it so seriously -- sorry -- I'll take note. |
| 08:49.11 | maher | Faustus: the bug you referenced is easy to fix - delete the old config file |
| 08:49.21 | Faustus | But the error I used to get is that no devices are found, unless I run xsane from root |
| 08:49.21 | scarynetworkguy | arnducky: Good. |
| 08:49.27 | scarynetworkguy | and no. |
| 08:49.36 | maher | Faustus: well that's a different bug then |
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| 08:49.49 | arnducky | fine, fine, now scarynetworkguy, do I know you from ~.ScaryNet.Org? |
| 08:49.54 | arnducky | Do you know me? |
| 08:50.17 | scarynetworkguy | I've said no to that twice now. |
| 08:50.18 | arnducky | Or Alexander Maasen (/whois OUTsider) |
| 08:50.19 | maher | Faustus: your permissions are wrong in some way - run strace on the command that fails and see what device you don't have permissions for |
| 08:50.35 | arnducky | I thought you just said 'no'... |
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| 08:50.41 | sbk | Bogaurd: have fun, and may the gods who watch over PIO and DMA protect you from corruption ;) |
| 08:50.54 | arnducky | Why do we 'geeks' all have to be SO PEDANTIC!?! |
| 08:51.06 | scarynetworkguy | arnducky: No I have no fucking idea who you are and I'm sure you do not know be at fucking all. Done now? |
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| 08:51.21 | simonrvn | meh, i was about to lart him/her |
| 08:51.22 | Bogaurd | sbk i sure hope so |
| 08:51.24 | Phated | Don't say "we", please. It's painful to think of being in the same circles as you. |
| 08:51.32 | scarynetworkguy | That it is. |
| 08:51.32 | stew | whee |
| 08:51.47 | streuner_ | simonrvn: and i was about to say something pretty direct to him... ;-) |
| 08:51.50 | Faustus | k maher, I'll install debian sarge and work on it. Thanks guys |
| 08:52.07 | maher | Faustus: do you have debian running atm? |
| 08:52.20 | streuner_ | no |
| 08:52.21 | Faustus | no |
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| 08:52.54 | Faustus | I habe a derivitive right now. which I'm happy with 'cause I had to install daenzer's xserver to make it run |
| 08:53.11 | Faustus | sorry NOT happy with |
| 08:53.38 | Phated | Well, if it's running... |
| 08:53.40 | streuner_ | Faustus: did you /msg dpkg d-i yet? |
| 08:53.48 | loke | i followed the FAQ on qmail and it didnt get me anywhere? |
| 08:54.10 | simonrvn | streuner_: hehe |
| 08:54.10 | streuner_ | loke: why qmail? |
| 08:54.16 | loke | streuner_ security |
| 08:54.18 | Faustus | no |
| 08:54.27 | loke | streuner_ why is something better? |
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| 08:54.54 | streuner_ | !better |
| 08:54.54 | dpkg | better is, like, a matter of personal taste; asking "is foo better than bar?" is almost meaningless unless we know what *you* mean by "better". |
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| 08:54.59 | Bogaurd | stew: i think you pointed me in the direction of a kernel compiling tutorial, http://myrddin.org/howto/debian-kernel-recompile.php. it does not mention a command to compile & install the modules... how is this done? |
| 08:55.14 | loke | streuner_ you have a different personal taste? |
| 08:55.26 | stew | Bogaurd: if i pointed you anywhere it would have been to /msg dpkg kp |
| 08:55.40 | streuner_ | loke: there are some MTA's in debian which are secure too... |
| 08:55.53 | Phated | Bogaurd: You can always go make modules_install. IIRC. |
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| 08:55.58 | stew | qmail is nonfree too |
| 08:56.28 | Bogaurd | Phated: will that install them too? |
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| 08:56.53 | scarynetworkguy | Should. |
| 08:56.56 | Phated | Bogaurd: Most likely, yes. |
| 08:57.06 | Bogaurd | Phated, scarynetworkguy: thanks |
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| 08:57.35 | sbk | this is getting OT, but boy is DJB one prickly old fart |
| 08:57.43 | Phated | DJB? |
| 08:57.54 | stew | !djb |
| 08:57.54 | dpkg | i heard djb is an arrogant jerk, or Daniel J. Bernstein, author of qmail, djbdns, etc., or at http://cr.yp.to/djb.html, or a UNIX coding and mathematics genius, or an ego-maniac. See "wanker". |
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| 08:58.15 | Phated | Ahh... |
| 08:58.37 | sbk | ayup. |
| 08:58.42 | Phated | Right... |
| 09:00.02 | stew | out of curiosity... |
| 09:00.03 | stew | !wanker |
| 09:00.04 | dpkg | i heard wanker is giving the palm pilot a flight, massaging Kojak's head. Fuck, someone pass me the tissues. |
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| 09:00.09 | helix | Phated: there are several psychotic men in F/OSS: djb, hans reiser, rms, and theo de raadt |
| 09:00.14 | helix | esr too |
| 09:00.18 | helix | though he's mostly just annoying |
| 09:00.26 | Phated | helix: I'll make a note of them. |
| 09:00.40 | Phated | Does OF count as psychotic, or just highly irritable? |
| 09:00.46 | Bogaurd | before i compile my kernel... do i need to do 'make dep'? |
| 09:00.55 | Guerin | yeah |
| 09:00.57 | Phated | Bogaurd: Are you using make-kpkg? |
| 09:00.58 | lakcaj | Hi. I've upgraded to a 2.6.10 kernel, and I'm still getting an "unknown error 254" when trying to burn a VCD with K3B. Anyone have any suggestions? I dont' have cdrecord or cdrdao setuid root, and I tried running K3B as root. |
| 09:01.09 | Bogaurd | Phated: yep i sure am\ |
| 09:01.13 | Guerin | it's curious hos the leading lights in this area all seem to be utterly insane |
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| 09:01.30 | Phated | Guerin: It's the stress of the utter idiots. :) |
| 09:01.51 | Phated | Bogaurd: Ehh... make-kpkg clean, make-kpkg --revision=foo kernel_image? |
| 09:01.55 | scarynetworkguy | Bah, at least in the case of OF and Theo they just don't suffer fools gladly. Nothing wrong with that. |
| 09:02.03 | Phated | I've never used make dep. |
| 09:02.06 | Guerin | Phated: I don't think so, actually... most of these people have been shielded from utter idiots for decades ... except that they consider anyone less than themselves to be idiots, of course. |
| 09:02.06 | xam | helix: you forgot Joerg Schilling in your list of psychos ;) |
| 09:02.16 | Bogaurd | Phated: thats the way i do it... |
| 09:02.19 | lakcaj | Bogaurd, you likely have to pass a --initrd as weel to make-kpkg |
| 09:02.25 | Bogaurd | what does make dep do? |
| 09:02.26 | Phated | Guerin: Let's set some of the #debian idiots on them. |
| 09:02.27 | lakcaj | s/weel/well |
| 09:02.29 | Phated | Oh, the carnage. |
| 09:02.39 | scarynetworkguy | Heh. That would be all kinds of fun. |
| 09:02.43 | Bogaurd | lakcaj, i use initrd :) |
| 09:02.43 | Phated | You don't NEED an initrd for a self-compiled kernel! |
| 09:02.44 | toresbe | esr is not a psycho.... |
| 09:02.52 | Guerin | yes, he clearly is |
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| 09:02.54 | Phated | They're all psychos. |
| 09:02.55 | scarynetworkguy | toresbe: Yeah he pretty much is. |
| 09:02.58 | toresbe | why? |
| 09:03.00 | swim | hi folks |
| 09:03.05 | lakcaj | Phated, as long as you compile the filesystem type into the kernel |
| 09:03.10 | Guerin | toresbe: have you actually READ anything of his? he's a massive egomaniac. |
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| 09:03.12 | Phated | lakcaj: Er... Duh? |
| 09:03.18 | swim | is there an iso for unstable (x86_64) ? |
| 09:03.34 | sbk | leading lights in writing MTAs are insane? :-) (*thinks* oh yeah. forgot sendmail) |
| 09:03.37 | Phated | Why -wouldn't- you compile in your root fs and hdd interface, if only to avoid initrd? |
| 09:03.37 | toresbe | egomania != psychosis |
| 09:03.41 | scarynetworkguy | At least Theo, OF, and djb write good code. |
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| 09:03.46 | lakcaj | Phated, well, since I run a reiserfs filesystem, and the default debian config is to have reiserfs as a module, I need an initrd. |
| 09:03.51 | scarynetworkguy | Insanity? |
| 09:03.52 | maher | phil hazel is a nice guy |
| 09:04.02 | Phated | lakcaj: And... If you compile your own kernel, you can't compile it in, why? |
| 09:04.26 | Guerin | toresbe: oh, you want to talk pproperly defined terminology? |
| 09:04.32 | lakcaj | Phated, I'm not saying you can't, but like you just stated, unless you compile it in, you need an initrd. |
| 09:04.33 | helix | xam: ah, indeed I did |
| 09:04.45 | toresbe | I guess the problem with F/OSS spokesmen is that they are all self-proclaimed... |
| 09:04.52 | Bogaurd | so when this kernel is done compiling, i should do 'make modules_install'? |
| 09:04.56 | Phated | lakcaj: Right... But he -is- compiling his own. Note that I said "if you compile your own kernel". |
| 09:05.02 | Bogaurd | or make modules_image |
| 09:05.04 | Bogaurd | ? |
| 09:05.15 | Phated | lakcaj: If, however, you use a kernel-image, then yeah, you're stuck with initrd. |
| 09:05.19 | swim | anyone know if there is an iso for unstable (x86_64) ? |
| 09:05.21 | lakcaj | Bogaurd, you don't need to do all that.... make-pkg does all that for your. |
| 09:05.47 | Bogaurd | lakcaj: i just did: time make-kpkg --initrd --revision=2:anubis.1 kernel_image |
| 09:06.15 | lakcaj | Bogaurd, and that should produce a .deb that you can install with dpkg |
| 09:06.16 | mono | how do an additional partition to my list? |
| 09:06.33 | Bogaurd | lakcaj: and that will install all modules too? |
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| 09:06.43 | scarynetworkguy | Bogaurd: Should yes. |
| 09:06.45 | aurax | hi |
| 09:06.59 | Bogaurd | scarynetworkguy: cool, thanks :) |
| 09:07.04 | scarynetworkguy | Bogaurd: NP. |
| 09:07.16 | Phated | Bogaurd: Generally, you don't need anything other than make=kpkg clean and make-kpkg kernel_image, with whatever flags. |
| 09:07.18 | aurax | anyone here works with flash mx of macromedia under debian ? |
| 09:07.19 | lakcaj | Phated, sorry , I wasn't disagreeing with you... it's just that I fought with compiling a kernel in debian for the first time today (have done it with many other distros) and am trying to save Bogaurd some potential headaches. |
| 09:07.28 | aurax | i mean coding with it .. |
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| 09:07.48 | Phated | lakcaj: Well... One hopes he compiled his essential stuff in. |
| 09:08.07 | scarynetworkguy | Bogaurd: lakcaj /usr/share/doc/kernel-package/README.gz has all the info you need. |
| 09:08.21 | Bogaurd | i was actually amazed... when i compiled my first kernel the other day it took just over 1 hour |
| 09:08.24 | scarynetworkguy | As well he should. |
| 09:08.32 | Bogaurd | on a celeron 300 |
| 09:08.36 | Phated | Kernels are fun to compile. |
| 09:08.44 | Phated | And not half as fiddly as, say, Moz. |
| 09:08.51 | scarynetworkguy | *shudder* |
| 09:08.56 | aurax | anyone? |
| 09:09.03 | aurax | any idea ... ? |
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| 09:09.41 | sbk | I remember make world for x11r4 on a sparc 1, I think |
| 09:09.43 | lakcaj | aurax, dual boot :( |
| 09:10.01 | aurax | no way to run flash mx under linux |
| 09:10.05 | lakcaj | aurax, or check out ming, but not quite the same. |
| 09:10.21 | aurax | im looking to build system based on debian and with flash mx in it |
| 09:10.40 | aurax | i just heard that debian is the best linux |
| 09:10.46 | lakcaj | aurax, there really isn't a flash authorizing suite in Linux at all... that is one of many place Linux is severely lacking. |
| 09:10.50 | aurax | and i havent mess with linux alote just BSD |
| 09:11.11 | aurax | and far as i know flash mx works with win* thats all |
| 09:11.17 | aurax | so no way to run mx |
| 09:11.19 | aurax | on NIX* |
| 09:11.37 | Phated | What he said. |
| 09:11.55 | Phated | Isn't, you know... Linux all the same? Distros are still Linux, no? |
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| 09:12.14 | tzafrir | well, I upgraded bochsbios to the version from sid, and things seem to work |
| 09:12.22 | lakcaj | scarynetworkguy, there are legitimate uses. Take http://www.hitorstand.net/ for example :) |
| 09:12.23 | Bogaurd | hmm i was talking to dpkg |
| 09:12.25 | Bogaurd | i said |
| 09:12.27 | Bogaurd | bing |
| 09:12.28 | scarynetworkguy | Pretty much. |
| 09:12.30 | Bogaurd | bang |
| 09:12.32 | Bogaurd | bong |
| 09:12.36 | Bogaurd | boong |
| 09:12.39 | Bogaurd | try the last one |
| 09:12.49 | aurax | tzafrir |
| 09:12.50 | aurax | ehhe |
| 09:12.51 | aurax | israelish |
| 09:13.11 | scarynetworkguy | lakcaj: Funny. *not* |
| 09:13.40 | lakcaj | scarynetworkguy, I wasn't trying to be funny. |
| 09:14.00 | toresbe | May I have the honour of wielding the !forget? |
| 09:14.13 | Phated | You have no honour. |
| 09:14.18 | cthulfuego | !bucket bong |
| 09:14.18 | Phated | (sorry, had to) |
| 09:14.21 | scarynetworkguy | lakcaj: I was giving you the benefit of the doubt. In that case you're just a fucktard. |
| 09:14.28 | scarynetworkguy | Heh. |
| 09:14.30 | toresbe | Phated: you have no MANBOOBS |
| 09:14.31 | cthulfuego | Phated: Garrlblarrgh! |
| 09:14.40 | Phated | toresbe: Yeah, so? :) |
| 09:14.47 | Phated | cthulfuego: Same to you, my good man. |
| 09:14.48 | toresbe | ....it was all I could come up with... :) |
| 09:14.57 | lakcaj | scarynetworkguy, Heh??? Well done! |
| 09:15.01 | stew | woah |
| 09:15.56 | toresbe | !forget boong |
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| 09:15.57 | dpkg | toresbe: i forgot boong |
| 09:17.02 | lakcaj | Getting back to the point... aurax... there are no real native flash authoring tools in Linux. The best you might do is to run something using wine. |
| 09:17.10 | Phated | Bah, screw Flash. |
| 09:17.27 | Phated | Everyone uses flashblock anyway. |
| 09:17.43 | lakcaj | I agree it is mostly useless, exceively over-used... but if someone wants to play with it, they shouldn't be flamed. |
| 09:17.45 | stew | !screw flash |
| 09:17.46 | scarynetworkguy | Well everybody who hasn't drunk way too much stupid water. |
| 09:18.39 | Phated | lakcaj: We didn't flame whoever it was. We flamed Flash. |
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| 09:19.51 | sbk | oh, you aren't a real unix guru until you develop a properly condescending tone anyway :-) |
| 09:19.58 | Phated | Well, yeah. |
| 09:20.08 | Phated | You can also have the tone without being a guru. Sad but true. |
| 09:21.14 | sbk | another $4.75 and I can buy myself my sweet ole' sparc 1 |
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| 09:23.29 | lakcaj | Well, I've upgraded to a 2.6.10 kernel, and I'm still getting an "unknown error 254" when trying to burn a VCD with K3B. Anyone have any suggestions? I dont' have cdrecord or cdrdao setuid root, and I tried running K3B as root. I'm at a loss, and need help. |
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| 09:24.53 | dstevens | you know you can dynamically create flash with php so you do not need the flash ide. |
| 09:25.28 | Guerin | yay |
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| 09:25.41 | Guerin | I have X windows set up just like the linkx console now :) |
| 09:25.55 | Guerin | s/k/u/ |
| 09:26.01 | Phated | Howso? |
| 09:26.23 | The_Vulture | Guerin: that's a rather round-about way of getting a console ;) |
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| 09:26.56 | Guerin | The_Vulture: yeah, I know, but it's the only way I can have console-everything + a proper web browser |
| 09:27.12 | The_Vulture | Guerin: *nods* |
| 09:27.16 | hail04 | whats the network config wizard for debian? |
| 09:27.23 | Guerin | wizard? |
| 09:27.24 | toresbe | Guerin: nae really |
| 09:27.29 | PlanarPlatypus | Guerin: what WM is this (if it is one at all) |
| 09:27.35 | dstevens | you are the wizard? |
| 09:27.41 | stew | hail04: Guerin is the network config wizard |
| 09:27.47 | Guerin | Phated: obox with a theme called 'null' which is black everything with a size 2 black titlebar font |
| 09:28.08 | Guerin | stew: nay, that would be scarynetworkguy, but like most wizards he is subtle and quick to anger |
| 09:28.20 | scarynetworkguy | Heh. |
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| 09:28.28 | toresbe | watch this |
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| 09:28.29 | scarynetworkguy | hail04: Just ask your question. |
| 09:28.31 | toresbe | scarynetworkguy: hello |
| 09:28.34 | hail04 | I need to change my freshly installed box from static to DHCP as I have a server ere |
| 09:28.35 | scarynetworkguy | toresbe: Hey. |
| 09:28.38 | stew | hail04: /msg dpkg man interfaces |
| 09:28.45 | Phated | Guerin: What The_Vulture said. :) |
| 09:28.47 | toresbe | there was no molestation |
| 09:28.52 | toresbe | has he started on the valium? |
| 09:28.57 | scarynetworkguy | hail04: man 5 interfaces. It really is very easy to edit. |
| 09:28.59 | Guerin | so basicallly it's just obox with no wm decorations, and urxvt rwith the linux console font, both in fullscreen on their own desktops |
| 09:29.12 | Phated | And you're starting to scare us now. |
| 09:29.16 | stew | ratpoison 4 life |
| 09:29.34 | simonrvn | Guerin: htf did you manage the console font? |
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| 09:29.49 | toresbe | simonrvn: It's in X |
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| 09:30.10 | Guerin | simonrvn: pipeline pointed me to http://www.inp.nsk.su/~bolkhov/files/fonts/univga/ |
| 09:30.14 | simonrvn | toresbe: yes, i know, i'm asking him how he got the same font in x |
| 09:30.28 | Guerin | toresbe: and no, it's not in X by default. |
| 09:30.31 | simonrvn | oh, i see. wonder if they have some unicode fonts |
| 09:30.32 | toresbe | simonrvn: I thought that the standard console font actually was in X by def |
| 09:30.33 | scarynetworkguy | toresbe: Nope. I'm just in a very good mood. |
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| 09:30.40 | simonrvn | toresbe: no |
| 09:30.46 | Guerin | simonrvn: it is unicode... but not FULL unicode. |
| 09:30.56 | toresbe | scarynetworkguy: My God |
| 09:30.57 | pipeline | Guerin: You're the UHH author's wet dream :P |
| 09:31.07 | Guerin | pipeline: hah |
| 09:31.08 | simonrvn | Guerin: ok |
| 09:31.09 | pipeline | Guerin: So, let's see a screenshot? |
| 09:31.09 | scarynetworkguy | toresbe: Heh. |
| 09:31.13 | Guerin | arright |
| 09:32.02 | Phated | Move Guerin move! |
| 09:32.25 | scarynetworkguy | Heh. |
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| 09:35.38 | Guerin | http://feayn.org/~lewis/shell.png |
| 09:35.59 | _zilch_ | how do I get gdm to stop restarting if I kill it |
| 09:36.09 | scarynetworkguy | Nice. |
| 09:36.12 | Phated | _zilch_: /etc/init.d/gdm stop as root. |
| 09:36.20 | _zilch_ | ohh ok thanks |
| 09:36.20 | Guerin | _zilch_: uninstall it |
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| 09:36.41 | _zilch_ | another question, I just downloaded the smp kernel but it won't boot |
| 09:36.42 | Guerin | !kill epilog |
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| 09:36.57 | Phated | Who's this epilog fellow, then? |
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| 09:37.06 | FlyHigh6666 | hello |
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| 09:37.09 | _zilch_ | gives such an error : Checking if image is initramfs ... it isn't (ungzip failed); looks like an initrd |
| 09:37.12 | Guerin | 18:33:48 -!- Epilog [~duckman@217.129.133.89] has quit ["Unix Gurus view of sex: updatedb; locate [...] |
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| 09:37.24 | Phated | Ahhh... |
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| 09:37.29 | Phated | OH MY GOD. |
| 09:37.36 | Phated | Jesus, that is fucking amazing. |
| 09:37.44 | Guerin | ? |
| 09:37.45 | Phated | Cool. |
| 09:37.57 | Phated | You'd never know the thing was X... |
| 09:38.04 | simonrvn | nice |
| 09:38.10 | scarynetworkguy | Yeah. Pretty sweet. |
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| 09:38.28 | pipeline | extremely pointless, but cool. |
| 09:38.34 | Guerin | yeah, totally pointless |
| 09:38.41 | Guerin | and I spent half a day doing it ... |
| 09:38.42 | _zilch_ | hello |
| 09:38.46 | Phated | See, there are people like deadcat with the most -amazing-, dual-LCD, root-tail running, applets all over... And then there are people like Guerin. |
| 09:38.58 | scarynetworkguy | Nothing that shows that strong of a sense of play is pointless. |
| 09:39.27 | Guerin | i'm just doing it to show all my windows-weenie mates back in NZ how leet I am when I go back :) |
| 09:39.33 | Phated | Hah. |
| 09:39.36 | scarynetworkguy | Nice. |
| 09:39.36 | stew | heh |
| 09:39.46 | Phated | Leet to them is deadcat-style desktops. :) |
| 09:39.53 | Guerin | they'll all be like "dude ... how do I drive this thing?" |
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| 09:40.05 | Phated | They go "dude..." in NZ? |
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| 09:40.09 | Guerin | hell yeah |
| 09:40.12 | stew | dude |
| 09:40.19 | Phated | Dude... |
| 09:40.23 | St0n3-C0l | Where is grub.conf located in sarge ? |
| 09:40.29 | Guerin | St0n3-C0l: it's not. |
| 09:40.37 | FlyHigh6666 | quit |
| 09:40.53 | stew | St0n3-C0l: /boot/grub/menu.lst |
| 09:41.22 | St0n3-C0l | ahh thanks :p |
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| 09:42.07 | Guerin | and the nifty thing is, because it's ob, I have dockapps which pop up when you mouse over the top left corner, and if I move to the far right screenedge and scroll my mousewheel, I get another desktop |
| 09:42.31 | Phated | Heh, cool. |
| 09:42.34 | Guerin | ok, it's not that cool |
| 09:42.42 | Phated | It's actually fairly cool. |
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| 09:43.04 | Phated | How'd you get it to maximise all the way without decorations, though? Just maximise and then undecorate them? |
| 09:43.28 | Guerin | no; it IS decorated; just with a theme that has basically no decorations |
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| 09:44.08 | pappy | <PROTECTED> |
| 09:44.19 | Guerin | !lose pappy |
| 09:44.20 | dpkg | pappy: You Lose. |
| 09:44.31 | Phated | Cool, what theme? |
| 09:45.11 | Guerin | Phated: I hacked one up; changed all the window colour values to #000000 and the window title font to #000000 size 2 |
| 09:45.22 | Phated | Ahhh, I see. |
| 09:45.23 | hail04 | thanks guys |
| 09:45.43 | hail04 | got a happy box going no |
| 09:45.45 | hail04 | now* |
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| 09:45.52 | Phated | Huzzah. |
| 09:46.08 | chupie | i have hardware question.... i have a compaq proliant 5500 server, it currently does not have any SCSI hdds in it, only IDE hard drives. It will not boot from the IDE hdd for some reason, it does have a IDE cdrom and it will boot from it, and this doesn't have the stock hd that came w/ it, so i do not have the compaq bios partition utils to config it all... |
| 09:46.10 | Guerin | now madame is (justifiably) angry with me for having done nothing all day |
| 09:46.19 | Guerin | so I'm going to go and do dishes |
| 09:46.27 | Phated | HAHA |
| 09:47.03 | scarynetworkguy | Heh. |
| 09:47.56 | simonrvn | --> xmbdfed |
| 09:48.19 | simonrvn | "grab server font" ;) |
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| 09:49.40 | simonrvn | bitstream-vera-sans-mono.psfu |
| 09:49.51 | Guerin | simonrvn: ? |
| 09:50.04 | Guerin | simonrvn: converting real fonts to work on the console? |
| 09:50.06 | simonrvn | exported to psf |
| 09:50.10 | simonrvn | yes |
| 09:50.17 | Guerin | nifty |
| 09:51.06 | simonrvn | gonna see if it works |
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| 09:57.04 | keks | hi, after a kernel recompile (2.6.8) vga mode 791 isn't working anymore, just the normal mode. looks like i forgot sth in the kernel. any idea what? |
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| 10:02.48 | keks | i'm using lilo to set vga mode and mode 791 has been working in the past with kernel 2.6.8, too |
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| 10:04.58 | keks | i got vga16 and vesa statically in |
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| 10:07.08 | keks | well, i didn't make an initrd this time -- is it necessary to get a higher console size than 80x25? |
| 10:07.21 | Guerin | keks: no. Just fix your kernel config. |
| 10:07.29 | Guerin | keks: compare to a working kernel. |
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| 10:08.22 | Windopain | what kernel does debian 3.0 r4 use? |
| 10:08.27 | keks | Guerin: i tried to reduce as many things as possible, but is there anything special that makes 80x25 work, but vga791 fail? |
| 10:08.54 | bob2 | Windopain: 2.2.20 and 2.4.18 |
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| 10:09.39 | Guerin | keks: there must be. Otherwise it would work. |
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| 10:10.24 | Guerin | keks: I don't know ottomh; just diff the relevant sections of a working kernel config against yours |
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| 10:11.11 | guru | when i install vim-gtk, all fonts appear to be monospaced...is there a way to disable this? |
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| 10:11.18 | guru | kvim does not have this problem |
| 10:11.52 | Windopain | bob2: okay, i'm starting to install it through vmware, one of my options is 2.4.x kernel, there is no 2.2.x, but there is a "other linux" option; any idea which i should choose? |
| 10:12.07 | bob2 | Windopain: the default |
| 10:12.46 | Windopain | yeah, that's what a faq i was looking at said too.. problem is there is nothing inidcating default.. first on the list is redhat... nothing that says debian |
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| 10:13.26 | bob2 | um |
| 10:13.33 | bob2 | this sounds an awful lot like a vmware question |
| 10:13.44 | bob2 | which sounds like the sort of thing you make use of the tech support you paid for? |
| 10:14.00 | Windopain | good point ;) |
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| 10:14.11 | Bogaurd | is it normal i get this in dmesg? |
| 10:14.12 | Bogaurd | RAMDISK driver initialized: 16 RAM disks of 4096K size 1024 blocksize |
| 10:14.18 | bob2 | also I've never used vmware |
| 10:14.31 | bob2 | RAMDISK driver initialized: 16 RAM disks of 8192K size 1024 blocksize |
| 10:14.32 | bob2 | yes |
| 10:15.06 | Windopain | alright, thanks anyway man |
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| 10:15.20 | Windopain | debian uses two kernels though? |
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| 10:15.47 | bob2 | woody comes with a choice of 2 versions, yes |
| 10:15.55 | Phated | So does sarge. |
| 10:16.16 | af_ | which versions? |
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| 10:16.34 | bob2 | 20:08:55 bob2 | Windopain: 2.2.20 and 2.4.18 |
| 10:16.36 | Phated | Sarge has 2.4 and 2.6. Not sure which versions exactly. |
| 10:16.36 | Windopain | i see; my only previous experience is with redhat, and i've been told it is one of the worst distros to use |
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| 10:17.01 | bob2 | it's not that bad |
| 10:17.07 | bob2 | it's just debian is so much better |
| 10:17.16 | Phated | It works well enough for its purpose. |
| 10:17.18 | Guerin | there are worse than redhat |
| 10:17.23 | Phated | Gentoo! |
| 10:17.27 | Phated | And others. |
| 10:17.30 | Guerin | suse, mandy, fedora... |
| 10:17.42 | Phated | Is Suse that bad? |
| 10:18.00 | Guerin | yes |
| 10:18.09 | Phated | Right then. |
| 10:18.16 | Guerin | ricerfs by default; yast mangling everything... |
| 10:18.28 | Phated | Right... |
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| 10:18.59 | bob2 | something is slowly eating my filesystem |
| 10:19.06 | scarynetworkguy | Ewwww. |
| 10:19.10 | scarynetworkguy | bob2: Godzilla? |
| 10:19.13 | bob2 | yeah |
| 10:19.20 | dstevens | i must agree fedora is bloated and orrid, Ubuntu rocks |
| 10:19.22 | bob2 | scarynetworkguy: aka 2.6.10, yes |
| 10:19.32 | scarynetworkguy | bob2: Heh. |
| 10:19.33 | Phated | Hehe. |
| 10:19.41 | bob2 | I'm not even sure why I upgraded |
| 10:19.46 | bob2 | 2.6.8.1 worked perfectly well |
| 10:19.52 | scarynetworkguy | bob2: Beer? |
| 10:19.52 | Phated | It does. |
| 10:19.57 | scarynetworkguy | Indeed it does. |
| 10:20.11 | bob2 | scarynetworkguy: possibly |
| 10:20.18 | scarynetworkguy | bob2: Cool. |
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| 10:26.43 | St0n3-C0l | how do i start num_lock on bootup |
| 10:26.52 | bob2 | in your bios |
| 10:26.58 | bob2 | or run xsetleds in yor X start script |
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| 10:27.27 | St0n3-C0l | i mean when i boot to linux |
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| 10:28.05 | bob2 | I mean 'in your bios or run xsetleds in your X start script' |
| 10:28.14 | paulswm | heh |
| 10:28.23 | St0n3-C0l | lol |
| 10:28.28 | St0n3-C0l | okay okay :P |
| 10:28.28 | simonrvn | bob2: mind reader |
| 10:28.48 | St0n3-C0l | i've tsocks installed how do i use it in SSH like apps ? |
| 10:29.07 | simonrvn | you read its docs |
| 10:29.21 | FlopsyPete | the keyboard I choose on installation of Sarge causes an XKB error when starting Gnome. If I change it to others they too generate XKB errors. I've seen this for the plenty of recent d-i releases. anyone know what to do about this? |
| 10:29.57 | St0n3-C0l | how do i set socks proxy in it ? |
| 10:30.28 | St0n3-C0l | wait |
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| 10:30.33 | scarynetworkguy | St0n3-C0l: man tsocks |
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| 10:31.32 | Nara | hi all |
| 10:32.02 | St0n3-C0l | scarynetworkguy: Where to put Socks proxy ??? :S there's only "tsocks -on|-off" thingie |
| 10:32.05 | St0n3-C0l | and tsocks application |
| 10:32.33 | scarynetworkguy | St0n3-C0l: Read and read some more. |
| 10:32.59 | Nara | firefox + xprint = large pages !! i tried userContent.css but still no luck! how can I fix my pages to print on A4 pages with xprint? |
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| 10:34.01 | bob2 | Nara: choose the other printer in the printer dialog |
| 10:34.11 | St0n3-C0l | OPTIONS |
| 10:34.11 | St0n3-C0l | <PROTECTED> |
| 10:34.11 | St0n3-C0l | <PROTECTED> |
| 10:34.11 | St0n3-C0l | <PROTECTED> |
| 10:34.11 | St0n3-C0l | <PROTECTED> |
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| 10:34.36 | scarynetworkguy | Heh. |
| 10:34.36 | St0n3-C0l | I thought 4 lines is allowed :S |
| 10:34.54 | bob2 | no |
| 10:35.01 | Nara | bob2: i choose the myprinter@:33 |
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| 10:36.56 | sussudio | !seen badgers |
| 10:36.56 | dpkg | badgers <Ferret@sussudio.user> was last seen on IRC in channel #debian, 4d 19h 43m 6s ago, saying: 'Yes, sussudio, you're still online.'. |
| 10:37.09 | sussudio | ppj: turn off your !seen script |
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| 10:38.37 | Gh0sty | Hello |
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| 10:39.40 | loke | so qmail is for smtp what is a good app to run pop3? |
| 10:40.04 | bob2 | qmail is a bad smtp server |
| 10:40.07 | loke | !seen loke |
| 10:40.07 | dpkg | loke is currently on #debian (2h 33m 5s). Has said a total of 1258 messages. Is idling for 0s |
| 10:40.15 | bob2 | dovecot is a good pop3 and imap server |
| 10:40.43 | loke | bob2 whats a good smtp server? |
| 10:40.50 | bob2 | postfix |
| 10:41.10 | loke | bob2 how come you say posfix is better that qmail? |
| 10:41.11 | scarynetworkguy | Postfix rules. |
| 10:41.24 | loke | qmail is just a bitch heh? |
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| 10:41.34 | bob2 | if nothing else, qmail sends bounces for mails to unknown addresses |
| 10:41.44 | bob2 | sensible MTA's refuse it instead |
| 10:41.45 | toresbe | Muahahaahaha! |
| 10:41.54 | toresbe | Now my 9-pin matrix printer works :) |
| 10:41.56 | loke | bob2 so bounces are not good? |
| 10:42.03 | scarynetworkguy | loke: Because Wietse Venema has great big buckets of clue and is a nice guy. |
| 10:42.10 | toresbe | I shall cron large print jobs overnight when I am not here and lock my door :P |
| 10:42.39 | loke | scarynetworkguy heh? |
| 10:42.46 | Guerin | loke: bounces double the amount of spam in the internet. God forbit that a bounce should go to anothe box which bounces unknown mail ... |
| 10:42.51 | toresbe | Anyone know how to start print jobs on a terminal? |
| 10:43.04 | bob2 | lp foo.ps |
| 10:43.12 | Guerin | loke: think about that for a while - the recursion might start to hurt a bit, but that's normal. |
| 10:43.15 | loke | Guerin and bounces originate from unsecured smtp servers correct? |
| 10:43.22 | toresbe | bob2: No, I mean, when the printer is locally attached to the terminal |
| 10:43.23 | Guerin | loke: not at all. |
| 10:43.32 | toresbe | bob2: There is an escape code to start/stop the printer... |
| 10:43.37 | scarynetworkguy | loke: Wietse Venama lead dev on Postfix and one of the best security guys in the world. Also a very cool person, from all reports. |
| 10:43.47 | loke | so is normal to run seperate services for smtp and pop3? |
| 10:44.09 | Guerin | loke: bounces originate from smtp servers which are either incorrectly configured, or have stupid users, OR are being purposefully used to relay to guessed addresses. |
| 10:44.10 | bob2 | yes |
| 10:44.18 | bob2 | loke: very much so |
| 10:44.20 | Guerin | loke: it's impossible to do otherwise. |
| 10:44.33 | loke | bob2 which packages do i need to get dovecot going? |
| 10:44.45 | bob2 | dovecot-pop3 |
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| 10:44.47 | toresbe | bob2: vtprint :) |
| 10:44.48 | loke | bob2 dovecot-pop3d? |
| 10:44.54 | bob2 | yeah |
| 10:45.25 | paulswm | morning, toresbe , your VT still shaky? |
| 10:45.55 | toresbe | paulswm: The picture has stabilized to a large degree |
| 10:45.56 | loke | and which package for postfix, i see a bunch, do i just need 'postfix'? |
| 10:46.02 | toresbe | paulswm: morning :) |
| 10:46.15 | simonrvn | g'night |
| 10:46.18 | St0n3-C0l | Atlast tsocks works :P |
| 10:47.14 | paulswm | toresbe: you can still get ribbons for your dod matrix printer? I supose there are still a lot of those printers around, though |
| 10:47.19 | paulswm | *dot |
| 10:47.23 | toresbe | paulswm: yeah |
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| 10:48.11 | taddeus_ | hi all |
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| 10:48.40 | Guerin | loke: depends what you're doing; you probably want ts and sasl, so consider postfix-tls |
| 10:48.44 | paulswm | toresbe: dot matrix is a bit leading edge for you though, shouldn't you be running paper tape through a teletype? Heh. |
| 10:48.48 | taddeus_ | can't use eth0 & wlan0 at the same time, anyone has experience ? |
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| 10:49.29 | sCag^NB | hi jaime |
| 10:50.46 | sCag^NB | jachebug: U know how to use ipv6 tunneling ? |
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| 10:50.57 | scarynetworkguy | !u |
| 10:50.57 | dpkg | Dammit Jim! It's YOU. Y-O-U. Not *U*. U is a letter. YOU is a word. See ne1, or wud. Dutch for 'you' (formal singular). See http://ars.userfriendly.org/cartoons/?id=20041201 |
| 10:51.04 | jachebug | [ sCag^NB ]: dunno |
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| 10:52.16 | sCag^NB | !OMG |
| 10:52.16 | dpkg | omg is, like, what ppl say when they see a printed copy of the CORBA specs. "OMG! IT'S HUGE!". Oh My God |
| 10:53.01 | loke | Guerin ok |
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| 10:53.16 | sCag^NB | ÀÚü¹ö±×´Ô |
| 10:53.30 | sCag^NB | ¸Þ·Õ |
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| 10:56.16 | St0n3-C0l | I wanna set http_proxy in kernel and I did but I want to set it auto :S |
| 10:56.46 | cbillett | does anyone here know how i might locate, in kernel space, the name of the binary supplied in the binprm structure at load time? |
| 10:56.59 | cbillett | if i have say, the pid or a reference to a task_struct |
| 10:58.15 | St0n3-C0l | Like in FC3 the files u put in "/etc/profile.d" that files starts in boot and i made http.sh and in that file i put "export http_proxy=http://proxy:8080" and after that its already set |
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| 11:00.09 | sussudio | !seen people |
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| 11:00.10 | dpkg | i haven't seen 'people', sussudio |
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| 11:00.23 | sussudio | ppj: turn the fucking script off ktnx. |
| 11:00.31 | St0n3-C0l | Please help :S |
| 11:00.47 | Bogaurd | argh what is going on with this thing?! i am still getting a max speed of 4mb off my hdd's even after i compiled and installed a new kernel! |
| 11:01.06 | cbillett | where the heck did profile.d come from anyway? i should have seen that one coming... |
| 11:01.25 | ledet | Bogaurd: hdparm? |
| 11:01.37 | stew | Bogaurd: didn't we tell you not to bother with the kernel? |
| 11:01.46 | cbillett | i guess its |
| 11:01.49 | bob2 | St0n3-C0l: put it in /etc/profile |
| 11:01.53 | cbillett | better than #<off># |
| 11:01.56 | St0n3-C0l | oh thanks :P |
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| 11:02.15 | Bogaurd | stew: indeed you did :) |
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| 11:02.35 | Bogaurd | stew: but i tried all the hdparm tweaks i could find :'( |
| 11:02.46 | loke | bob2 where do i configure the domain name for dovecot? |
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| 11:03.03 | ledet | Bogaurd: hdparm -c1 -d1 /dev/hda <- that will work for you |
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| 11:03.14 | bob2 | loke: what do you mean? |
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| 11:03.21 | Skiver | what is the difference between setting someting in /etc/environment and ~/.bashrc ?? |
| 11:03.32 | Bogaurd | ledet: sadly, it didnt |
| 11:03.45 | Bogaurd | <PROTECTED> |
| 11:03.45 | loke | bob2 do i have to tell dovecot the domain name ? |
| 11:03.46 | ledet | Bogaurd: you didnt test it hard enough |
| 11:03.52 | bob2 | loke: no... |
| 11:04.02 | ledet | Bogaurd: what kind of harddisk is it anyway? |
| 11:04.03 | opqdonut | Bogaurd: i get 4.57 MB/sec |
| 11:04.10 | bob2 | Skiver: one is sourced by pam_env, one is by bash, bt only someimtes |
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| 11:04.19 | Bogaurd | opqdonut: i used to get 30mb/s! |
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| 11:04.27 | sCag^NB | !erf |
| 11:04.27 | Bogaurd | its a wd200jb |
| 11:04.58 | toresbe | paulswm: Nah, my teletype is broken |
| 11:05.00 | Bogaurd | i'll be back in a sec, im gonna shutdown the box and check over the hardware. |
| 11:05.00 | Skiver | bob2 : so there will be 2 different effects ? |
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| 11:05.11 | opqdonut | Bogaurd: well, that was on an old pII box :) |
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| 11:05.41 | toresbe | paulswm: I just printed the tset manpage :) |
| 11:06.08 | bob2 | Skiver: slightly different, yes |
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| 11:06.54 | Skiver | bob2 : anyway to get ~/.bashrc have the same effect as /etc/environment ? |
| 11:07.19 | bob2 | Skiver: no, that would be pointless |
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| 11:07.25 | toresbe | paulswm: ÆØÅ has been kludged onto this machine badly |
| 11:07.26 | paulswm | toresbe: I hate the sound of dot matrix printers, makes me expect to turn on the TV and see Margaret Thatcher sending the Paras into the Falklands |
| 11:07.35 | toresbe | paulswm: heh |
| 11:07.37 | bob2 | Skiver: if you want to set global environment variables, use /etc/environment or /etc/profile |
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| 11:08.07 | Bogaurd | the hardawre is fine.... |
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| 11:08.15 | Bogaurd | no bad jumpers or anything |
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| 11:09.42 | Bogaurd | anymore ideas anyone? |
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| 11:10.41 | Skiver | bob2 : the thing now is, when i export my XIM_PROGRAM in ~/.bashrc , not all the program can use it, such as Terminal and Kwrite. |
| 11:10.55 | paulswm | Bogaurd: what's your controller speed: ATA100, ATA133, what? (not the disk, the controller) |
| 11:11.01 | bob2 | Skiver: yes, I know |
| 11:11.04 | Bogaurd | its an ata 33 |
| 11:11.06 | Skiver | bob2 : but when setting it in /etc/environment, all programs can use the xim_program for input |
| 11:11.21 | bob2 | Skiver: it gets sourced by bash when it runs as a normal program, not as a login shell |
| 11:11.39 | paulswm | Bogaurd: hang on, I've got an old ATA33, lemme just check |
| 11:12.01 | Bogaurd | paulswm: even my p133 manages to pull 15mb/s |
| 11:12.04 | Skiver | bob2 : i want only ONE user account to use that xim program |
| 11:12.11 | Skiver | bob2 : so i'm looking for a way |
| 11:12.12 | bob2 | Skiver: ok! |
| 11:12.22 | bob2 | Skiver: use ~/.xsession and set it in there |
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| 11:13.41 | Skiver | bob2 : i can just create one if it doesn't exist ? |
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| 11:13.50 | bob2 | yes |
| 11:13.54 | bob2 | then use xdm or startx |
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| 11:14.15 | Skiver | err, |
| 11:14.24 | Skiver | bob2 : what if i'm using kdm ? |
| 11:14.31 | bob2 | then you're fucked |
| 11:14.34 | bob2 | because kdm is shit |
| 11:14.39 | paulswm | Bogaurd: Timing buffered disk reads: 42 MB in 3.08 seconds = 13.65 MB/sec, but this is using a newer ATA100 40G disk with 1MB cache, an old Quantum Bigfoot 8GB ATA33 was returning about 10 I think |
| 11:14.42 | bob2 | if it has a "Debian Session" item, use that |
| 11:15.56 | paulswm | Bogaurd: have you more than one disk, and, if so, are the others doing the same? |
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| 11:16.08 | Skiver | brb with the result. |
| 11:16.10 | jcoiron | 'lo all |
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| 11:18.09 | Bogaurd | paulswm: yep, 2 other disks, new 40gb's, both doing the same |
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| 11:18.53 | CurryPork | fedora vs debian, which is better? |
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| 11:19.26 | bob2 | what a stupid question |
| 11:19.30 | paulswm | Bogaurd: what are they (manufacturere and model) |
| 11:19.44 | Guerin | oh joy, a web interface to sid on slashdot |
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| 11:19.46 | Bogaurd | wd400bb |
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| 11:21.00 | Bogaurd | paulswm: western dig 40gig's |
| 11:21.26 | raid5 | site to download TV series? |
| 11:21.31 | _d4vid | http://win2k3.by.ru/solaris10_b72.txt |
| 11:21.49 | bob2 | raid5: go away |
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| 11:23.01 | Bogaurd | paulswm: you still there? |
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| 11:23.09 | paulswm | Bogaurd: can you narrow it down a bit, either the model name/number or the spindle speed and cache |
| 11:23.29 | N-MAN | hello, some one know a source mirror about xorg on debian? |
| 11:23.39 | N-MAN | i have one, but is down :´( |
| 11:23.41 | bob2 | no, it's not in Debian yet |
| 11:23.56 | N-MAN | yeap |
| 11:24.02 | N-MAN | is in unstable |
| 11:24.02 | Guerin | N-MAN: plenty of options in google |
| 11:24.08 | Guerin | N-MAN: no, it ain't. |
| 11:24.14 | Skiver | bob2 : ~/.xsession didn't work |
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| 11:24.19 | Guerin | N-MAN: itym is IS unstable |
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| 11:24.30 | Bogaurd | paulswm: western digital wd400bb, 40gb, 7200rpm ( think), 2mb cache |
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| 11:24.37 | bob2 | Skiver: yes it does |
| 11:24.51 | bob2 | Skiver: if you mean 'X didn't start', that's because you didn't stay around |
| 11:24.54 | jcoiron | would someone could help me to find out why after upgrading MySQL client to 4.1 I still have " #1251 - Client does not support authentication protocol requested by server; consider upgrading MySQL client" ? |
| 11:25.01 | paulswm | Bogaurd: looking it up on WD web site... |
| 11:25.02 | N-MAN | few days ago, i install the xorg in my debian sid... but now the mirror is down |
| 11:25.04 | bob2 | add 'exec startkde' with no quotes as the last line in it |
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| 11:25.15 | N-MAN | check... this is a spanish guide to do it |
| 11:25.17 | N-MAN | http://guerrero.linux.org.mx/joaz/index.php?gadget=blog&action=single_view&id=72 |
| 11:25.25 | Bogaurd | paulswm: when i ran redhat 9 the performance was fine :\ |
| 11:25.40 | tampio | Hi, would somebody know why fat won't mount with write rights anymore, after some update this feature was lost, system is Sarge and fstab says this: "/dev/hda1 /mnt/wina vfat defaults 0 2" |
| 11:25.59 | bob2 | tampio: reaplce defaults with umask=002 |
| 11:25.59 | Skiver | bob2 : i should remove kdm 1st ? |
| 11:26.04 | bob2 | no |
| 11:26.19 | Guerin | N-MAN: so? |
| 11:26.25 | tampio | thx bob. |
| 11:26.44 | N-MAN | well this source is down |
| 11:26.47 | N-MAN | i need other |
| 11:26.55 | Guerin | N-MAN: google |
| 11:26.59 | Skiver | bob2 : i can't log into this current account with existence of ~/.xsession |
| 11:27.00 | Guerin | N-MAN: ffs |
| 11:27.14 | bob2 | 21:24:51 bob2 | Skiver: if you mean 'X didn't start', that's because you didn't stay around |
| 11:27.17 | bob2 | 21:25:04 bob2 | add 'exec startkde' with no quotes as the last line in it |
| 11:27.33 | paulswm | Boguard: how about pasting the results of hdparm -i for one of your drives in #flood |
| 11:28.06 | Skiver | bob2 : how did i start kde without X ? |
| 11:28.06 | Bogaurd | paulswm: ok gimme a min or 2 |
| 11:28.19 | bob2 | huh/ |
| 11:28.32 | Guerin | that's a reallly good question |
| 11:28.35 | paulswm | Bogaurd: ok, I'm already in #flood, I'll brb in a min |
| 11:28.41 | Guerin | i want to hear the answer to that sshit, too. |
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| 11:30.20 | Spg | I think you need X, it is not confirmed. |
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| 11:32.33 | St0n3-C0l | where do i put any file which starts during bootup ? |
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| 11:32.48 | St0n3-C0l | i mean any command like http_proxy |
| 11:32.55 | St0n3-C0l | export http_proxy=http://proxy:8080 |
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| 11:33.23 | paulswm | St0n3-C0l: bob2 already told you |
| 11:33.46 | St0n3-C0l | in terminal |
| 11:33.46 | St0n3-C0l | in fc3 i put http.sh in /etc/profile.d but here /etc/profile.d doesn't exist and /etc/profile is not a directory |
| 11:33.57 | bob2 | St0n3-C0l: edit /etc/profile |
| 11:33.58 | bob2 | it's a file |
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| 11:35.42 | St0n3-C0l | I did |
| 11:35.43 | St0n3-C0l | i put there in last |
| 11:36.12 | St0n3-C0l | export http_proxy=http://proxy:8080 but nothing happens |
| 11:36.39 | paulswm | St0n3-C0l: did you log out and log back in again |
| 11:36.42 | Guerin | St0n3-C0l: you have to log out and back in |
| 11:36.46 | paulswm | heh |
| 11:36.46 | St0n3-C0l | Yeah |
| 11:36.55 | St0n3-C0l | I did |
| 11:37.10 | maurizio | help with ssh please: a user can ssh to a sarge machine and to a woody machine, can ssh from the sarge to the woody one, but *not* the opposite (Permission denied, please try again). Other users have no problem... |
| 11:37.13 | St0n3-C0l | Infact I restarted my system |
| 11:37.27 | bob2 | 'nothing happens'? |
| 11:37.30 | bob2 | can you be more vague? |
| 11:37.44 | bob2 | maurizio: woody may not do rsa keys |
| 11:37.45 | St0n3-C0l | yeah |
| 11:37.47 | paulswm | St0n3-C0l: quote it: export http_proxy="http://proxy:8080" |
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| 11:38.01 | paulswm | St0n3-C0l: or perhaps s/proxy/localhost/ |
| 11:38.11 | St0n3-C0l | okay wait |
| 11:38.22 | maurizio | bob2: not sure I understand that: root or the other user may connect without trouble... |
| 11:38.44 | St0n3-C0l | ls :s |
| 11:38.54 | St0n3-C0l | :S |
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| 11:40.00 | rAz0r | is it possible to use symlinks with not chrooted vsftpd ? |
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| 11:41.26 | linuxfreck | rAz0r: iirc there is an option in vsftpd config whether to follow symlinks or not |
| 11:41.40 | Guerin | yeah |
| 11:41.54 | ASF|wTr|Jo|AFK | /j #debian~#debian-devel |
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| 11:42.00 | exalted | hi there. |
| 11:42.16 | rAz0r | linuxfreck: did not find it... |
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| 11:43.14 | GenX | how to add windows option on debian(GRUB) |
| 11:43.17 | GenX | how to add windows option on debian(GRUB)? |
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| 11:44.05 | Guerin | GenX: edit /boot/grub/menu.lst |
| 11:44.15 | Guerin | GenX: there's an example in that file |
| 11:44.22 | GenX | exalted: listen Guerin please.. |
| 11:44.35 | GenX | Guerin: i know exam menu.lst file.. |
| 11:44.49 | paulswm | St0n3-C0l: is your proxy on the same box? if so, your problem is possibly that 'proxy' isn't aliased to 127.0.0.1 in /etc/hosts or that your proxy isn't running |
| 11:44.50 | GenX | but dont entry windows in Grub Menu... |
| 11:45.03 | exalted | debian in the phase of GRUB installation didn't saw my Windows (hda5 (logical)). Now i have to configure GRUB manually. I've added "title Win" "rootnoverify (hd0,4)" "makeactive" and "chainloader +1" instructions. But when i select "win" to boot it says: |
| 11:45.03 | exalted | Booting to 'Windows XP' |
| 11:45.03 | exalted | rootnoverify (hd0,4) |
| 11:45.03 | exalted | chainloader +1 |
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| 11:45.15 | exalted | sorry |
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| 11:45.36 | exalted | Please check #flood |
| 11:45.37 | GenX | exalted: konusturdun english'i :D |
| 11:46.03 | exalted | GenX, yaparým da acýmam :) |
| 11:46.39 | St0n3-C0l | paulswm nah |
| 11:47.15 | Skiver | bob2 : thank you |
| 11:47.33 | paulswm | St0n3-C0l: it works OK if you manually set it in a terminal, you're just trying to automate it, is that correct? |
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| 11:48.41 | exalted | >> Any idea about the question on #flood ? |
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| 11:50.00 | paulswm | exalted: does your boot/grub/devices.map which says "(hd0) /dev/hda" |
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| 11:50.14 | paulswm | + "have a line which says... |
| 11:51.24 | exalted | says what? |
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| 11:51.33 | St0n3-C0l | ## e.g. groot=(hd0,0) |
| 11:51.33 | St0n3-C0l | # groot=(hd0,5) |
| 11:51.56 | MoDaX | how do I configure ALSA to play sound from multiple sources at once? is dmix the only option? |
| 11:52.00 | St0n3-C0l | this line in /boot/grub/menu.lst |
| 11:52.19 | St0n3-C0l | is to select the device u want to boot on start ? |
| 11:52.19 | St0n3-C0l | right ? |
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| 11:52.37 | paulswm | exalted: in /boot/grub/devices.map, you have a line which says "(hd0) /dev/hda", right? I assume so, as you're prolly booting Linux from the same disk |
| 11:52.44 | Bogaurd | paulswm: sorry i took so long |
| 11:52.50 | exalted | paulswm, just a second, let me check. |
| 11:52.51 | paulswm | Bogaurd: np |
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| 11:54.30 | St0n3-C0l | I want to boot Windows XP at startup so how do i do that ? |
| 11:54.34 | Bogaurd | paulswm: pasted it in #flood |
| 11:54.37 | St0n3-C0l | in menu.lst ? |
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| 11:55.09 | Guerin | St0n3-C0l: yes. |
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| 11:55.17 | St0n3-C0l | nah Im asking which option ? |
| 11:55.20 | St0n3-C0l | groot one ? |
| 11:55.34 | Guerin | St0n3-C0l: there's an example. |
| 11:55.44 | Guerin | MoDaX: what sound card? |
| 11:55.46 | St0n3-C0l | ## default grub root device |
| 11:55.52 | Coke | I'm reading this howto that says USB flash sticks need SCSI drivers since they are posing as USB scsi disks. this sounds very stupid, is this still so with the 2.6 kernel? |
| 11:55.57 | Guerin | St0n3-C0l: don't paste; read. |
| 11:56.07 | Guerin | Coke: yes. |
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| 11:56.24 | St0n3-C0l | Guerin : yea my windows option is with chainloader +1 |
| 11:56.25 | MoDaX | Guerin: Multimedia audio controller: nVidia Corporation: Unknown device 00ea (rev a1) |
| 11:56.32 | St0n3-C0l | but it boots Debian after 5secs |
| 11:56.37 | MoDaX | Guerin: onboard controller |
| 11:56.41 | Coke | Guerin: why do they keep insisting that everything emulates SCSI? it used to be the same way with cd writers. |
| 11:56.44 | inspired | some damn wanker with root access on my system changed from testing to unstable. is it possible to go back? |
| 11:56.45 | paulswm | Bogaurd: you're running the disk on an ATA33 controller but you've got the DMA transfer mode set to udma5 - if it's an ATA33 controller, it should be set to udma2, but thr fact that udma5 is showing up at all makes me suspect that you are not using an ATA33 controller |
| 11:57.03 | Guerin | inspired: yes. It involved cfdisk and an install cd. |
| 11:57.05 | exalted | paulswm, i have "(hd0) /dev/hda" and "(hd1) /dev/hdb" |
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| 11:57.08 | Guerin | involves |
| 11:57.19 | inspired | oh my god. the server is in another country damnit |
| 11:57.27 | inspired | I hate this |
| 11:57.29 | Guerin | MoDaX: ok; you'll need something in software. dmix or jackd might be of use. Stay clear of arts and esd. |
| 11:57.56 | Guerin | inspired: take it offline. Get the local hands to boot it into knoppix or something and use debootstrap. |
| 11:57.59 | paulswm | exalted: pls paste the complete entry for your XP (from /boot/grub/menu.lst) into #flood |
| 11:58.03 | *** part/#debian mammoth (~e23861@201.7.71.52) |
| 11:58.09 | Bogaurd | paulswm: im pretty sure its ata 33... the ide chipset is a PIIX4 |
| 11:58.19 | Bogaurd | paulswm: intel PIIX4 |
| 11:58.19 | exalted | paulswm, it's an hard ask. It's on another PC. |
| 11:58.22 | St0n3-C0l | Guerin: I've read but im not getting it :S |
| 11:58.23 | exalted | Have to wait some |
| 11:58.24 | MoDaX | Guerin: do better sound cards suppprt this at hardware level? |
| 11:58.27 | Guerin | inspired: this is what you get for running an internet-facing box without security updates. |
| 11:58.35 | St0n3-C0l | I am afraid of any wrong option |
| 11:58.41 | Guerin | MoDaX: yeah. SB Live is one. |
| 11:58.47 | exalted | paulswm, or let's say that for now it's impossible. |
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| 11:59.05 | Guerin | St0n3-C0l: don't be afraid; just copy the config block and change the details. |
| 11:59.07 | exalted | paulswm, if you ask for an exact pharagraph, i can write it down |
| 11:59.11 | inspired | Guerin: no no, the thing is that some trusted person with root access changed it without understanding the consequences. |
| 11:59.19 | magix | hi, I habe a problem INPUT firewall iptables, who help me ? |
| 11:59.26 | MoDaX | Guerin: ok. I will try using dmix then. thanks |
| 11:59.33 | Guerin | inspired: did they upgrade or dist-upgrade? or just install a couple packages. |
| 11:59.33 | Guerin | ? |
| 11:59.46 | Guerin | magix: #iptables |
| 11:59.56 | rAz0r | anybody knows option in vsftpd config file to enable anonymous users to change directory into symlinks ? |
| 11:59.58 | magix | tnx. |
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| 12:00.01 | *** part/#debian magix (~magix@magix.infinity.net.pl) |
| 12:00.06 | Guerin | rAz0r: TFM knows. |
| 12:00.07 | paulswm | exalted: let me paste the relevant bits from my menu.lst into #flood and you can check against yours, mine works |
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| 12:00.32 | St0n3-C0l | Guerin: where do i paste ? |
| 12:00.38 | exalted | paulswm, ok |
| 12:00.42 | Bogaurd | paulswm: any ideas? |
| 12:00.58 | rAz0r | Guerin: thanks a lot |
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| 12:01.07 | Guerin | St0n3-C0l: in your config file, ftlog. |
| 12:01.12 | *** part/#debian GenX (~GenX@GenX.user) |
| 12:01.25 | inspired | Guerin: probably dist-upgrade. I was upgrading the modules for an ISDN modem for the Asterisk PBX and got this error: ATAL: Error inserting zaptel (/lib/modules/2.6.9/misc/zaptel.ko): Invalid module format |
| 12:01.31 | inspired | FATAL* |
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| 12:01.50 | inspired | so I figured someone must have changed module-init-tools or something |
| 12:01.52 | St0n3-C0l | Guerin: I am saying u to come on #flood so that i can paste :P |
| 12:01.59 | Guerin | inspired: if it's been dist-upgraded, you probably can't downgrade. |
| 12:02.18 | inspired | ok |
| 12:02.21 | Guerin | St0n3-C0l: there's no use me looking at it' I don't know what your hardware is. |
| 12:02.32 | Guerin | inspired: you can TRY, but that way lies pain. |
| 12:03.14 | inspired | ok Guerin. thanks |
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| 12:04.39 | Bogaurd | stew: you have any ideas on this? |
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| 12:06.39 | tchino | how can adjust the font-size in gimp 2.0, i can only adjust left- and right-justification and empty the text-field |
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| 12:07.06 | tampio | touch 1.txt |
| 12:07.06 | tampio | wonder:/home/tampio/media/7# mv 1.txt /mnt/winb |
| 12:07.07 | tampio | mv: failed to preserve ownership for `/mnt/winb/1.txt': Operation not permitted |
| 12:07.07 | tampio | wonder:/home/tampio/media/7# |
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| 12:07.18 | Coke | What is the most common filesystem for MP3 players? vfat? what driver? |
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| 12:07.24 | Bogaurd | can anyone help me with the hard drive problem? |
| 12:07.35 | Bogaurd | all my drives are stuck at about 5mb/s |
| 12:07.39 | raid5 | anyone use Azureus here? |
| 12:07.41 | Coke | oh, vfat it is. |
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| 12:07.53 | ribnitz | hello |
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| 12:08.03 | paulswm | Bogaurd: sorry, I was a bit tied up |
| 12:08.05 | bob2 | Coke: fat, vfat is the linux module for it |
| 12:08.14 | tchino | can somebody help me in gimp? |
| 12:08.25 | Bogaurd | paulswm: not a porb |
| 12:08.27 | ribnitz | tchino: #gimp ? |
| 12:08.29 | Bogaurd | prob* :P |
| 12:08.43 | paulswm | Bogaurd: do you have another OS on that box and are the drives OK in that |
| 12:09.03 | *** mode/#debian [+l 786] by debhelper |
| 12:09.13 | ribnitz | Any idea where I could get a plone deb for sarge for? |
| 12:09.19 | Bogaurd | paulswm: when i ran redhat9 on it, they were fine, but now on debian they are not :( |
| 12:09.21 | ribnitz | er from? |
| 12:09.23 | Guerin | !tell raid5 about anyone use |
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| 12:10.19 | dargy | anybody know a good iptables bandwitdh limiting scripts?... I need something that can limit my internet connection to too ips.. Fx 192.168.1.2 has 1mbit internet and 192.168.1.3 has 1mb internet |
| 12:10.28 | Shadur | ~tell dargy about anyone |
| 12:10.36 | exalted | paulswm, here i am |
| 12:10.37 | paulswm | Bogaurd: does that mean that you don't have another OS on that box |
| 12:10.48 | Bogaurd | dargy: search for wondershaper at google |
| 12:10.53 | Bogaurd | paulswm: nope, only debian |
| 12:10.54 | Shadur | dargy: Try www.lartc.org |
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| 12:11.07 | Bogaurd | paulswm: which i installed 4 days ago |
| 12:11.14 | dargy | Shadur: allready tryed that.. its too big.. |
| 12:11.39 | dargy | Bogaurd: are you sure wondershaper can limit traffic on specifik ips? |
| 12:12.02 | tampio | Does anyone know why move failes to mounted fat drive "mv: failed to preserve ownership for '/mnt/winb/1.txt': operation not permitted" ? |
| 12:12.08 | Bogaurd | dargy: no, wondershaper cannot, but there is info on the site, on how to do it :) |
| 12:12.08 | Shadur | dargy: More accurately, you feel it's too much work to read all of it so you'd really prefer to have us hold your hand through the process, am I right? |
| 12:12.41 | tchino | ribnitz: there is nobody |
| 12:12.43 | dargy | Shadur: the system on the site is too biig... this should just be for a little home network |
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| 12:13.08 | jono | when I run iwconfig the first line gives me eth0 IEEE 802.11g ESSID:"belkin54g" - how do I set the IEEE bit manually? |
| 12:13.08 | linuxfreck | tampio: that's a warning, the files should be moved anyway, the reason is that fat doesn't support unix permissions |
| 12:13.08 | tchino | ribnitz: i need some help in adjust the font-size in gimp |
| 12:13.16 | jono | <PROTECTED> |
| 12:13.25 | ribnitz | tchino: We dont know about gimp... Help files perhaps? |
| 12:13.28 | dargy | Bogaurd: do you know there officiel site? |
| 12:13.48 | Bogaurd | dargy, pretty sure its www.lartc.org :) |
| 12:13.53 | thomas_adam | jono: Why would you want to? |
| 12:13.54 | paulswm | Bogaurd: how about pasting "hdparm /dev/hda" in #flood |
| 12:14.25 | paulswm | exalted: so what does grub say when you say root (hd0,4) |
| 12:14.26 | dargy | Bogaurd: as you can see http://lartc.org/wondershaper/ goes back to the big guide at http://lartc.org/howto/ |
| 12:14.33 | Bogaurd | paulswm: done |
| 12:14.44 | Bogaurd | dargy: so.... read it |
| 12:15.04 | *** part/#debian rAz0r (~Stalker@82.207.84.126) |
| 12:15.25 | dargy | Bogaurd: kk |
| 12:15.32 | paulswm | Bogaurd: set I/O support to 32 bit, turn on DMA, set the readahead to 256 |
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| 12:16.14 | jono | thomas_adam, as I say, when I rerun dhclient to renew my lease, it loses that part in iwconfig and says unassigned - I then cant renew my lease |
| 12:16.40 | tampio | linuxfreck: thx, I'm paranoid about error messages -> have been running Sarge for a while and ignored some early on with fatal results, still learning ;-( |
| 12:16.43 | exalted | paulswm, i'll paste on #flood |
| 12:16.54 | paulswm | exalted: k |
| 12:17.21 | Bogaurd | paulswm: done, i thinkl |
| 12:17.40 | Bogaurd | paulswm: #flood |
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| 12:22.22 | exalted | paulswm, get it? |
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| 12:22.42 | Nagytalp | re |
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| 12:25.03 | paulswm | exalted: yes |
| 12:25.16 | exalted | paulswm, ok |
| 12:26.09 | xDCDx | why would VI give an "E667: Fsync failed" when trying to write to a virtual filesystem inside VMWare, but other editors like nano, kate write files correctly? |
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| 12:27.26 | paulswm | exalted: so what's an error 12, did you look it up |
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| 12:29.32 | p30n | what should i use accorindg to u guys, KDE or gnome? |
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| 12:30.54 | exalted | paulswm, i'm checking but no familiar results. |
| 12:31.03 | Guerin | p30n: anything else. |
| 12:31.04 | exalted | p30n, according to me gnome |
| 12:32.21 | Phated | According to me KDE. |
| 12:32.21 | mage__ | according to me gnome. |
| 12:32.21 | mage__ | or fluxbox |
| 12:32.21 | scarynetworkguy | Openbox |
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| 12:32.21 | mage__ | or enlightenment 17 when it comes out :) |
| 12:32.21 | Phated | Or that, yeah. |
| 12:32.21 | Phated | NAh, Openbox. |
| 12:32.21 | scarynetworkguy | But if it is a binary solution set KDE. |
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| 12:32.23 | mage__ | is openbox still developped ? |
| 12:32.23 | Guerin | mage__: yup. |
| 12:32.23 | Phated | I've got OB3 here. |
| 12:32.24 | scarynetworkguy | Openbox is the WM for winnars. |
| 12:32.33 | Phated | And assorted others. |
| 12:32.46 | mage__ | last update is from april 2004 .. |
| 12:32.48 | p30n | will do |
| 12:32.52 | paulswm | exalted: still here, checking something |
| 12:32.54 | Guerin | i even managed to haxx openbox into a linux console lookalike |
| 12:32.59 | Phated | Hah. |
| 12:33.12 | Guerin | though in fairness, any wm could have served |
| 12:33.12 | Phated | Guerin: You could probably have done that with Fluxbox or Blackbox. :) |
| 12:33.13 | scarynetworkguy | Heh. |
| 12:33.16 | exalted | paulswm, thx, waiting. |
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| 12:33.28 | dao | I tries to install foomatic-db-hpijs, but it says it depends on hpijs >=2.0.... but 1.7 is the latest hpijs.. what can I do? |
| 12:33.33 | elnovato | morning, from my linux machince i can sucesfully enter to all windows xp network, but they cant, not even when they provide the login password, the access is denied |
| 12:33.39 | Phated | Blackbox of course sucks in comparison to Fluxbox and Fluxbox sucks in comparison to Openbox. |
| 12:33.50 | scarynetworkguy | !confuse elnovato |
| 12:33.51 | dpkg | Yes, them are their snake tomorrow, elnovato? trousers of the republic of tibet with extra cheese |
| 12:34.01 | scarynetworkguy | Yes indeed. |
| 12:34.22 | p30n | question: two nights when i have had my debian box turned on, when i wake up and turn the monitor on, its just black, is this cuz it has crashed or something i dont know? i thought it was meant to be stable |
| 12:34.34 | paulswm | exalted: can you mount /dev/hda5 OK |
| 12:34.36 | Phated | p30n: Wiggle the mouse. |
| 12:34.39 | scarynetworkguy | p30n: It's a screensaver. |
| 12:34.49 | Guerin | p30n: sounds like something acpi to me |
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| 12:34.52 | p30n | i have wiggled and i have pressed the keyboard |
| 12:34.58 | Phated | Heh. |
| 12:35.20 | scarynetworkguy | p30n: The mouse you were supposed to wiggle the mouse. |
| 12:35.25 | Phated | HAHAHAHA |
| 12:35.41 | p30n | lol |
| 12:35.46 | p30n | tried that too :p |
| 12:36.01 | dao | what can I do about unreasonable unmet dependencies? |
| 12:36.13 | p30n | ive wiggled everything i could find, still nothing |
| 12:36.14 | Guerin | dao: what's unreasonable about them? |
| 12:36.28 | exalted | paulswm, "cfdisk" see it OK. as an NTFS partition with correct dimensions etc. |
| 12:36.32 | exalted | didn't mount it yet. |
| 12:36.36 | elnovato | morning, from my linux machince i can sucesfully enter to all windows xp network, but they cant acces to my linux share, not even when they provide the login password, the access is denied |
| 12:36.43 | Guerin | p30n: ctrl+alt+f1 give you a console? |
| 12:36.56 | scarynetworkguy | !tell elnovato about repeat |
| 12:37.02 | p30n | Guerin: i dunno anymore i turned the power off/on |
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| 12:37.04 | dao | Guerin, its asks for hpijs to be >= 2.0... but there is no hpijs 2.0... 1.7 is the very latest |
| 12:37.08 | p30n | i will try that the next time |
| 12:37.16 | Guerin | dao: what distro? |
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| 12:37.23 | dao | Guerin, sid |
| 12:37.23 | scarynetworkguy | elnovato: And you get nasty things from entering Windows XP. |
| 12:37.29 | Guerin | dao: welcome to sid. |
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| 12:37.49 | Guerin | dao: check incoming |
| 12:37.55 | paulswm | exalted: has it always been on /dev/hda5 and did it boot ok before, or did you move it from another partition |
| 12:38.05 | elnovato | scarynetworkguy: i dont have options.. i need that files from the pentagon |
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| 12:38.36 | exalted | paulswm, that (windows) was there for a long time, no moves made. but before i was using windows's boot loader (naturally). |
| 12:38.36 | scarynetworkguy | elnovato: apt-get install sense-of-humour |
| 12:39.03 | *** mode/#debian [+l 796] by debhelper |
| 12:39.24 | *** part/#debian xinud (~paul@195-144-090-009.dyn.adsl.xs4all.be) |
| 12:39.37 | paulswm | exalted: di sfdisk -l /dev/hda, check the partiton type of the extended partition |
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| 12:39.56 | Phated | What's "natural" about the Windows bootloader, eh? |
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| 12:40.04 | dao | Guerin, are you gonna send me a file? |
| 12:40.24 | exalted | Phated, first there was just windows that's all.. |
| 12:40.33 | scarynetworkguy | Nothing. It is sick and wrong. A crime against man, nature, and god. |
| 12:40.34 | exalted | paulswm, a min. |
| 12:40.49 | Phated | exalted: Do that sense of humour thing, -really-. Chill a bit. :) |
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| 12:41.12 | exalted | Phated, ? |
| 12:41.22 | Guerin | dao: no. |
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| 12:41.24 | *** part/#debian DBL2010 (~dbl@pool-141-158-209-171.alt.east.verizon.net) |
| 12:41.25 | Guerin | !incoming |
| 12:41.26 | dpkg | extra, extra, read all about it, incoming is to be used at your own risk, packages are even dodgier than unstable(see break) but can be got from http://incoming.debian.org/ (but not ftp) |
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| 12:41.44 | dao | !incoming |
| 12:41.45 | dpkg | [incoming] to be used at your own risk, packages are even dodgier than unstable(see break) but can be got from http://incoming.debian.org/ (but not ftp) |
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| 12:42.01 | Guerin | dao: you thought it'd be different if you did it? |
| 12:42.14 | p30n|debbox | what is more secure webbrowser, konqueror epiphany or mozilla? |
| 12:42.25 | dao | Guerin, I just checked =) |
| 12:42.34 | Guerin | p30n: the user is the weakest link |
| 12:42.35 | Phated | Guerin: They always do, don't they. |
| 12:42.35 | GeeSeCillo | p30n|debbox, firefox |
| 12:42.38 | scarynetworkguy | exalted: apt-get install sense-of-humour |
| 12:42.55 | *** part/#debian DebianTUX (~DebianTUX@200.199.138.2) |
| 12:43.05 | exalted | paulswm, what you say if i fixmbr with bootloader of windows (hopefully), and install grub on a floppy? |
| 12:43.14 | dao | Guerin, thx I'll have a look at that |
| 12:43.56 | exalted | paulswm, output is: "HPFS/NTFS" |
| 12:44.49 | Guerin | haha |
| 12:45.09 | Guerin | my wife is watching american idol, and the british judge is a bad motherfucker |
| 12:45.21 | Phated | Guerin: You've never watched it before? |
| 12:45.26 | Guerin | nope |
| 12:45.30 | Phated | Guerin: Heh. |
| 12:45.42 | Guerin | i only watch/listen to tv when my wife is |
| 12:45.44 | Phated | He's... a bad motherfucker. |
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| 12:45.56 | caphuso | american idol sounds like military intelligence |
| 12:46.03 | Guerin | heh |
| 12:46.35 | Rage_ | I'm sorry what country are you from? |
| 12:46.43 | Rage_ | I need to notify the president so he can put you on the list |
| 12:46.43 | Rage_ | :P |
| 12:47.06 | caphuso | oh, american idol is one of those stupid casting shows |
| 12:47.11 | Phated | Yeah, one of those. |
| 12:47.19 | Phated | Singapore Idol was remarkably worse, though. |
| 12:47.31 | shazzy|afk | why do they always copy the brits :/ |
| 12:47.45 | justdust | what are the advantages of upgrading from 2.4 to 2.6 kernel ? |
| 12:47.45 | shazzy|afk | nothing original comes from usa |
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| 12:47.54 | Phated | Because everyone came from the Brits? Colonies and shit? |
| 12:48.13 | Guerin | shazzy|afk: one word: jazz |
| 12:48.15 | elnovato | i want to see internet TV, where i can do that? |
| 12:48.17 | justdust | 500 years ago, the usa ruled |
| 12:48.35 | Guerin | elnovato: in your seat |
| 12:48.40 | shazzy|afk | usa has never ruled always been the romans/brits |
| 12:48.40 | ajjl | everyone knows all the best hip hop is british ;-) |
| 12:49.02 | ajjl | dr. dre just copies 'em |
| 12:49.08 | shazzy|afk | :) |
| 12:49.09 | Guerin | ajjl: hahaha |
| 12:49.18 | mathieu_ | like hip hop could be any good |
| 12:49.22 | elnovato | rofl |
| 12:49.24 | justdust | shazzy|afk, the romans never even heard of the west countries.. |
| 12:49.38 | Guerin | mathieu_: back to yer deth met'l |
| 12:49.41 | dao | Guerin, they binary I was looking for is not in incoming, is it somehow possible to change the foomatic-db-hpijs so it doesn't ask for hpijs to be >=2.0, or is it sensible to force it to install? |
| 12:49.47 | caphuso | the movie of that moron that won this german casting show is still rated worst movie on imdb.com |
| 12:49.51 | Guerin | dao: just wait. |
| 12:49.53 | Phated | Eh, what's wrong with hip hop? |
| 12:50.07 | Phated | caphuso: What, not that Fahrenheit stuff? |
| 12:50.07 | elnovato | Lets accept, soon China will be the empire, and our childs will learn mandarin instead of english |
| 12:50.27 | Guerin | elnovato: we'll see. |
| 12:50.32 | justdust | omg, mandarin |
| 12:50.32 | caphuso | Phated: nope |
| 12:50.38 | dao | Guerin, oke, then I'll leave it for now, thanx |
| 12:50.44 | Phated | caphuso: Nor the rubbish Supersize Me? |
| 12:50.53 | Phated | elnovato: OMG, I'm ahead of you there. |
| 12:51.02 | Phated | Oh dear GOD I just said OMg. |
| 12:51.03 | justdust | english will always be a easy to learn dumbass language... ;D |
| 12:51.05 | shazzy|afk | elnovato: why u think the amercians are in the middle east, they want to be close to china so they can take it down when the time comes :) |
| 12:51.05 | Phated | !lose me |
| 12:51.06 | dpkg | phated: You Lose. |
| 12:51.19 | Guerin | justdust: you're a native english speaker; aren't you? |
| 12:51.21 | shazzy|afk | they are scared shitless, as they dont know what technology they have |
| 12:51.22 | Phated | Thank you, dpkg. |
| 12:51.38 | Guerin | shazzy|afk: you're just delusional. |
| 12:51.52 | Phated | All right... |
| 12:51.53 | justdust | Guerin, no |
| 12:51.56 | elnovato | USA is there to bomb germany |
| 12:52.04 | caphuso | Phated: http://www.imdb.com/chart/bottom |
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| 12:52.16 | Phated | Well, the bloody US just signed an FTA with us sometime back. So. |
| 12:52.26 | Phated | caphuso: Thanks. :) |
| 12:53.03 | shazzy|afk | fta = f$%k that ass ? |
| 12:53.06 | Phated | caphuso: Is 1 the worst or the best of the worst? |
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| 12:53.20 | caphuso | Phated: worst |
| 12:53.23 | Phated | Ah. |
| 12:53.32 | Phated | Hah, Dumb and Dumberer. Sucked. |
| 12:54.25 | Phated | It's probably a good thing I look at the list and recognise only one name. |
| 12:55.40 | justdust | eh, need some help here, chose expert mode setup while being rather noobish, have to choose kernel image... |linux-image-386, linux-image-2.6.8.1-3-386, linux-image-2.6-386 or liux-386| what's the difference ? |
| 12:56.03 | sussudio | !seen ppj_seen_script |
| 12:56.04 | dpkg | i haven't seen 'ppj_seen_script', sussudio |
| 12:56.07 | Phated | Choode... The... second one. |
| 12:56.23 | Guerin | justdust: you're clearly not using debian if those are the options you get. |
| 12:56.30 | justdust | Phated, it's teh newest 2.6 kernel right ? |
| 12:56.42 | Phated | Nope. |
| 12:56.52 | Phated | The latest is what... 2.6.10? |
| 12:56.59 | scarynetworkguy | Yeah. |
| 12:57.05 | justdust | Guerin, you got me, i'm installing ubuntu, a deb based distro, just to check it out... |
| 12:57.18 | scarynetworkguy | Although it has a fairly major bug 2.6.11 should be out any minute now. |
| 12:57.21 | Phated | BAH, go to #ubuntu. Shoo. |
| 12:57.28 | justdust | lol |
| 12:57.30 | shazzy|afk | lol |
| 12:57.32 | scarynetworkguy | !lol |
| 12:57.32 | dpkg | somebody said lol was Lamer on Line. Congratulations, you've confirmed yourself as one! |
| 12:57.44 | shazzy|afk | :L |
| 12:57.44 | scarynetworkguy | justdust: shazzy|afk It was not a joke. |
| 12:57.49 | Phated | Bloody Ubuntu idiots. I'd like it a lot more if their people didn't keep coming in here. |
| 12:57.58 | scarynetworkguy | Indeed. |
| 12:58.04 | justdust | thx |
| 12:58.22 | scarynetworkguy | justdust: Stop with the chatspeak please. |
| 12:58.25 | Guerin | hah |
| 12:58.28 | Guerin | !win me |
| 12:58.29 | dpkg | Congratulations, guerin! You have won a one way ticket to Cleveland! |
| 12:58.30 | asg | scarynetworkguy: I love the one with 'The Master' series episodes and the skiing documentaries (frozen cat snapping) |
| 12:58.39 | scarynetworkguy | asg: Heh. |
| 12:58.41 | scarynetworkguy | Yeah |
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| 12:58.50 | justdust | scarynetworkguy: waht's chatspeak ? |
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| 12:58.55 | Phated | Guerin: All right, why'd you win? |
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| 12:59.12 | asg | <PROTECTED> |
| 12:59.13 | scarynetworkguy | justdust: leet whatever you want to call it just stop. |
| 12:59.27 | Guerin | Phated: because I know that ubuntu's kernel images are called linux-image-foo |
| 12:59.31 | Phated | "Where the hamster goes"? |
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| 12:59.38 | asg | Phated: from MST3K |
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| 12:59.40 | Phated | Guerin: You're bloody scary. 'nuff said. |
| 12:59.46 | Phated | Hamster. Right. |
| 12:59.57 | Guerin | !sing asg is /~o you've got to go, where the hamster goes, your a ninja ... chicky chicky boom boom o~/ |
| 13:00.05 | Guerin | grrr |
| 13:00.21 | Phated | Haha. |
| 13:00.56 | tirkal | ok netstat -a prints "udp 0 0 *:bootpc *:*", and someone told me this is an unnecessary security risk and I should remove it. how? |
| 13:02.00 | tirkal | what's bootpc? |
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| 13:02.14 | asg | tirkal: either a dhcp server or your client listening for dhcp info |
| 13:02.18 | Guerin | grr, greycat broke all the individual !sing <nick> factoids |
| 13:02.27 | asg | Guerin: haha |
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| 13:02.45 | ld- | hey... |
| 13:02.53 | ld- | what package was needed for modules to work in a 2.6.x kernel |
| 13:03.01 | tirkal | asg: why is that a security risk? (my box is a web-application server) |
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| 13:03.18 | asg | tirkal: anything listening that shouldn't be is considered a security risk |
| 13:03.41 | asg | tirkal: 1) why is it serving dhcp. If not 1), wtf is it getting it's ip via dhcp? |
| 13:03.41 | tirkal | should I just remove it? is it important to my system in any way? |
| 13:03.42 | caphuso | ld-: module-init-tools |
| 13:03.56 | caphuso | tirkal: if you have to ask, no |
| 13:04.04 | ld- | caphuso: cheers |
| 13:04.17 | tirkal | so I just dpkg --purge it? |
| 13:04.30 | asg | tirkal: or apt-get remove --purge <pkg> |
| 13:04.37 | tirkal | thanks |
| 13:04.54 | tirkal | (I still don't understand what the hell "bootpc" is, but thanks :) |
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| 13:05.06 | resiak | tirkal: man bootpc ? |
| 13:05.11 | asg | tirkal: grep bootpc /etc/services |
| 13:05.21 | resiak | tirkal: Oh, my bad. |
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| 13:05.43 | resiak | tirkal: apt-cache show bootpc |
| 13:06.08 | tirkal | hmmm, BOOTP client, listening on both tcp and udb |
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| 13:06.13 | tirkal | err, udp |
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| 13:06.27 | tirkal | resiak, asg: thanks |
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| 13:06.48 | tirkal | This is a boot protocol client used to grab the machines ip number, set up DNS nameservers and other useful information. |
| 13:07.04 | asg | tirkal: yes |
| 13:07.19 | tirkal | the same thing the man says... not very elaborate :) |
| 13:07.38 | caphuso | tirkal: read RFC 951 |
| 13:07.52 | tirkal | caphuso: thanks |
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| 13:09.34 | justdust | ubuntu fup my debian bootloader... |
| 13:09.56 | asg | justdust: then use a rescue disc to fix it |
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| 13:10.17 | tombs | good morning |
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| 13:10.25 | asg | morning |
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| 13:10.42 | justdust | asg, just joking, it ruined the nice looks of it... |
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| 13:11.12 | Phated | You look at it for 2 bloody seconds. |
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| 13:12.15 | tirkal | hmmm |
| 13:12.26 | tirkal | dpkg -l bootpc #==> No packages found matching bootpc. |
| 13:12.27 | dpkg | ii bootpc #==> No packages found matching bootpc. 2.3-15 ultra s3kr1t #debian package |
| 13:12.55 | asg | tirkal: dpkg -l | grep dhcp |
| 13:13.20 | tirkal | ii dhcp-client 2.0pl5-19.1 DHCP Client |
| 13:13.22 | asg | tirkal: and anyway, it's probably your server getting it's ip via dhcp |
| 13:13.33 | asg | \o/ |
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| 13:14.48 | tirkal | I can't remove dhcp-client, right? because I need my server to speak dhcp (, right?) |
| 13:15.06 | caphuso | tirkal: how could we possibly know if your server needs dhcp? |
| 13:15.21 | tirkal | hmmm good point |
| 13:15.45 | tirkal | I only need SSH and HTTP, and both are TCP |
| 13:16.27 | Kerr | My sound had quite randomly stopped working.. all of the cables are in, speakers are on, volume is up, stuff plays, but i can't hear it. any ideas? |
| 13:16.27 | Phated | And that has nothing to do with DHCP... |
| 13:16.29 | tirkal | so that means I can relinquish my DHCP client |
| 13:16.53 | scarynetworkguy | tirkal: How does the machine in question get it's IP? |
| 13:16.54 | shazzy|afk | u only need dhcp if your server gets its ip from a dhcp server |
| 13:17.04 | scarynetworkguy | !u |
| 13:17.04 | dpkg | Dammit Jim! It's YOU. Y-O-U. Not *U*. U is a letter. YOU is a word. See ne1, or wud. Dutch for 'you' (formal singular). See http://ars.userfriendly.org/cartoons/?id=20041201 |
| 13:17.12 | asg | tirkal: look in /etc/network/interfaces. Does it define your interface as one which get's it's ip from a DHCP server? |
| 13:17.17 | scarynetworkguy | shazzy|afk: Stop that. Please. |
| 13:17.19 | justdust | dhcpd |
| 13:17.37 | shazzy|afk | cant its a habbit :) |
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| 13:18.04 | asg | shazzy|afk: time to learn new habbits then |
| 13:18.04 | scarynetworkguy | shazzy|afk: Break it or we'll break it for you. |
| 13:18.06 | shazzy|afk | bring it on |
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| 13:18.22 | scarynetworkguy | asg: I got AB's new book the other day. It's *great*. |
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| 13:18.30 | asg | scarynetworkguy: the one on baking? |
| 13:18.38 | scarynetworkguy | asg: Yeah. |
| 13:18.58 | asg | scarynetworkguy: cool, mrs. asg got that one over the holidays. |
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| 13:19.04 | tirkal | asg: it's about 6 lines, should I paste it here or on #flood ? |
| 13:19.06 | raid5 | printer setup in debian? can anyone help ? ive got a LaserJet 5L |
| 13:19.18 | asg | tirkal: #flood obviously |
| 13:19.33 | tirkal | pasted |
| 13:19.42 | Guerin | raid5: linux-printing.com can help a lot |
| 13:19.45 | asg | tirkal: well, your 'server' is getting it's ip via dhcp |
| 13:19.47 | scarynetworkguy | asg: Nice. |
| 13:19.53 | asg | scarynetworkguy: :) |
| 13:19.58 | scarynetworkguy | asg: Buy here a nice digtal scale. :) |
| 13:19.58 | shazzy|afk | you need dhcp client |
| 13:20.04 | tirkal | so I can't remove the dhcp-client completely |
| 13:20.13 | asg | scarynetworkguy: ah, need to get one. |
| 13:20.28 | asg | tirkal: find a book on unix / network administration and read it. |
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| 13:20.47 | shazzy|afk | tirkal: no u cant |
| 13:20.53 | scarynetworkguy | asg: Oh yeah. He gives all the measurements in volume, metric, and imperial. And of course we all know that winners measure with metric. :) |
| 13:21.25 | asg | scarynetworkguy: base 10 is much easier than base (whatever was handy at the time that mi mum passed down to mee oo aarr) |
| 13:22.04 | scarynetworkguy | asg: Right. And the point about being able to easily get more significant digits. Gotta love that. |
| 13:22.06 | resiak | justdust: So go shout at people in #ubuntu! |
| 13:22.07 | scarynetworkguy | Heh. |
| 13:22.10 | asg | scarynetworkguy: agreed |
| 13:22.15 | raid5 | Guerin, you mean linux-printing.com |
| 13:22.16 | asg | justdust: we really don't care |
| 13:22.19 | scarynetworkguy | Yep. |
| 13:22.28 | raid5 | Guerin, you mean linuxprinting.org |
| 13:22.43 | Guerin | oh, ok |
| 13:22.49 | Guerin | yeah, I suppose I do |
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| 13:26.41 | tirkal | asg: I'm a developer really; I'm just trying to setup this server after our previous admin left, so my applications keep working :) |
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| 13:27.19 | Phated | You can't have only had one single admin. |
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| 13:27.21 | Phated | No PFY? |
| 13:27.29 | tirkal | PFY? |
| 13:27.34 | Phated | PFY. |
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| 13:27.40 | scarynetworkguy | You have to have a PFY. |
| 13:27.45 | pzn | Hi! I have two machine connected directly with a eth cross cable. One of them is used for backups. There is a lot of data flow in eth andI can't reach max rate due to cpu usage (using ssh). Is there any debian package for transfering like ssh, but without its cpu usage because of crypto? |
| 13:27.47 | Phated | Of course you do. |
| 13:27.52 | scarynetworkguy | But of course. |
| 13:27.58 | scarynetworkguy | Always there are two. |
| 13:28.09 | Phated | pzn: Eh... FTP? Insecure, but since it's not like an open network... |
| 13:28.14 | tirkal | Pimply Faced Youth? yeah, we have some f that |
| 13:28.18 | Phated | Or netcat or whatever. |
| 13:28.34 | tirkal | but they are students, and clueless |
| 13:28.48 | Phated | tirkal: Not as in "a PFY", as in "-the- PFY". Like... You know, future admins. |
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| 13:29.07 | scarynetworkguy | Since it is a crossover cable FTP is not *too* evil. But still pretty damn evil. |
| 13:29.09 | pzn | Phated, with ftp I can't pipe data to it, I mean "dosomething | someftpprog" |
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| 13:29.24 | scarynetworkguy | pzn: SSH is your only choice there. |
| 13:29.35 | Phated | pzn: Yeah what he said. |
| 13:29.37 | tirkal | no nothing like an admin heir |
| 13:29.43 | Phated | tirkal: Sad. |
| 13:29.47 | Phated | Very sad. |
| 13:29.49 | scarynetworkguy | tirkal: Then they are not PFYs are they? |
| 13:29.52 | caphuso | pzn: netcat |
| 13:29.57 | scarynetworkguy | Very very sad. |
| 13:30.20 | pzn | Wow! netcat is the solution! thanks! |
| 13:30.28 | tirkal | I actually might end up being both the developer and the administrator. is that even feasible? |
| 13:30.44 | Phated | Woo, I are teh rox0r! |
| 13:31.03 | Phated | We-ll... and caphuso too, sure. |
| 13:31.14 | scarynetworkguy | !win Phated and caphuso |
| 13:31.15 | dpkg | Congratulations, Phated and caphuso! You have won a lifetime supply of spam! |
| 13:31.20 | tirkal | my superiors keep assigning me admin jobs, like setting-up this whole server, securing it, etc. |
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| 13:31.47 | tirkal | a few weeks ago, all I did was writing python code |
| 13:31.47 | bob2 | I quite like EBTG. |
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| 13:32.09 | hazent | Hi |
| 13:32.24 | _CN_ | Hi, hazent |
| 13:32.30 | scarynetworkguy | tirkal: How bitter are you? |
| 13:32.44 | Phated | tirkal: Screw that, tell them to bloody hire an admin. |
| 13:32.47 | hazent | how r u doin' _CN_ ?? |
| 13:32.48 | Phated | Cheap superiors. |
| 13:33.00 | tirkal | scarynetworkguy: I used to be quite sweet |
| 13:33.01 | scarynetworkguy | On say a scale of 1 to 10. 1 being happy happy and 10 being thinking the world population should be 6. |
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| 13:33.19 | tirkal | scarynetworkguy: it's now 4, and slowly climbing |
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| 13:33.23 | scarynetworkguy | But yeah make em hire somebody to do the job properly. |
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| 13:33.30 | sayaka | hello |
| 13:33.35 | tirkal | I'll be a BOFH in a week or two :) |
| 13:33.36 | scarynetworkguy | tirkal: If it's only 4 now you'll never make a proper admin. |
| 13:33.54 | Phated | scarynetworkguy: How'd you get six? |
| 13:34.08 | asg | Phated: he did rm -rf / out of spite |
| 13:34.25 | scarynetworkguy | Phated: That's the number that by friend came up with. Running joke. |
| 13:34.39 | Phated | scarynetworkguy: And how did he come up with six? |
| 13:34.40 | sayaka | I have a question about Debian, on the latest release...how many CD ISOs do i really need...I see like 10 |
| 13:34.54 | scarynetworkguy | Phated: He pulled it out of thin air. |
| 13:35.00 | paster | "_CN_" at 80.103.88.94 pasted "xpl" (51 lines) at http://channels.debian.net/paste/194 |
| 13:35.02 | asg | sayaka: you really only need a couple of floppies (though a single netinst iso is usually the way to go.) |
| 13:35.11 | Phated | Woo, paster bot. |
| 13:35.18 | Phated | Schweet. |
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| 13:35.43 | sayaka | but take a look at this ----> http://debian.oregonstate.edu/debian-cdimage/images/3.0_r4/i386/ |
| 13:36.16 | tirkal | ok, so "udp 0 0 *:bootpc" is a daemon (is it the appropriate name?) set up for listening on UDF in order to get the IP for the server upon boot. right? |
| 13:36.26 | tirkal | s/UDF/UDP |
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| 13:36.54 | asg | tirkal: no, it's your dhcp client listening for information from a dhcp server from which it acquired it's ip/nameservers/gateway/etc |
| 13:36.56 | Phated | IP for the server is got through DHCP, no? |
| 13:37.13 | tirkal | Phated: yes |
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| 13:37.28 | scarynetworkguy | bootpc != dhcp |
| 13:37.43 | tirkal | asg: why is it called bootpc than? |
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| 13:37.53 | sayaka | how many ISO do i need to install the whole system with graphical environment and everything ? |
| 13:37.54 | tirkal | scarynetworkguy: exactly what I wanted to ask |
| 13:37.56 | asg | tirkal: because that's what it's defined as via IANA in /etc/services |
| 13:38.00 | scarynetworkguy | Gah. |
| 13:38.03 | scarynetworkguy | !lart me |
| 13:38.20 | scarynetworkguy | I was thinking something else. |
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| 13:38.37 | asg | tirkal: do netstat -ntl (and it will show :68 instead of :bootpc) |
| 13:38.42 | tirkal | scarynetworkguy: go rm -rf someone's homedir. makes you feel better ;) |
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| 13:39.02 | sayaka | how many ISO do i need to install the whole system with graphical environment and everything ? |
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| 13:39.03 | Phated | Well well, he might just have potential. |
| 13:39.13 | Phated | sayaka: One. If you have a decent connection. |
| 13:39.18 | scarynetworkguy | tirkal: I'm a net admin. I just take the internet away from people. :) |
| 13:39.31 | scarynetworkguy | Yeah he does have the right attitude. |
| 13:39.31 | sayaka | i have Cable |
| 13:39.32 | Phated | And/or throttle it down to 10kbps. |
| 13:39.36 | scarynetworkguy | YEAH!! |
| 13:39.38 | Phated | sayaka: Yeah that's good enough. |
| 13:39.42 | scarynetworkguy | That is so much fun. |
| 13:39.43 | michsm_ | I have just a little question: what are sytem requirements voor Debian 3.0 to install on a system? |
| 13:39.52 | sayaka | so which one |
| 13:39.57 | Phated | sayaka: The first one? |
| 13:40.02 | asg | michsm_: read the install manual for woody at www.debian.org |
| 13:40.09 | michsm_ | I have a P3 with 64MB RAM, and 2GB of free disk space |
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| 13:40.15 | asg | michsm_: more than enough |
| 13:40.21 | Phated | Well... Anything more than a Pentium III 500 and 64 megs of RAM will -definitely- run it. |
| 13:40.26 | sayaka | debian-30r4-i386-binary-1.iso |
| 13:40.27 | Phated | Hey... He has my specs! |
| 13:40.29 | sayaka | ????? |
| 13:40.30 | tirkal | asg: netstat -ntl just shows two tcp's on 0.0.0.0:22 (SSH?) and 127.0.0.1:25 (?) |
| 13:40.31 | pzn | Phated, caphuso: it is working! with netcat dataflow is 6 times greater than with ssh :-) |
| 13:40.35 | michsm_ | thank you |
| 13:40.38 | bbrazil | michsm_: 16Mhz 386, 8Mb ram, 160MB HDD, bootable floppy |
| 13:40.39 | asg | tirkal: sorry, do netstat -nul |
| 13:40.40 | Phated | !win pzn |
| 13:40.40 | dpkg | Congratulations, pzn! You have won second prize in a beauty contest! |
| 13:40.43 | MacTheKnife | hi, I am looking for an irc for noaa satellites, someone an idea? |
| 13:40.54 | Phated | bbrazil: 16? No shit? |
| 13:40.56 | asg | tirkal: -ntl is only for tcp services, -nul is for udp |
| 13:41.03 | tirkal | yes, I see |
| 13:41.11 | tirkal | udp 0 0 0.0.0.0:68 |
| 13:41.11 | sayaka | Is this the one i need ---> debian-30r4-i386-binary-1.iso ????? |
| 13:41.15 | michsm_ | its 450 MHz zo i suppose it will do |
| 13:41.15 | bbrazil | Phated: I've insatlled on 20, read about 16 |
| 13:41.19 | bob2 | ??!?!?!?!?!?!?!?!? |
| 13:41.21 | Phated | Yiiii... |
| 13:41.25 | bob2 | r i annoying????? |
| 13:41.29 | bbrazil | Phated: via moving of HDD |
| 13:41.31 | Phated | sayaka: Yes FFS. |
| 13:41.37 | asg | bob2: ah, this is the Sunday bob2? |
| 13:41.37 | Phated | bob2: Yes FFS. |
| 13:41.47 | Phated | bbrazil: Interesting. |
| 13:42.03 | sayaka | how come just that one, while for FEDORA i needed 3 ????? |
| 13:42.19 | bob2 | sayaka: stop being so fucking annoying |
| 13:42.22 | Phated | Because fedora sucks. |
| 13:42.32 | scarynetworkguy | Yes it does. |
| 13:42.50 | sayaka | you have just fallen from grace, bob2 |
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| 13:43.00 | Guerin | haha |
| 13:43.03 | Phated | sayaka: Stop being an idiot. Go install already. |
| 13:43.06 | Guerin | grace? |
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| 13:43.20 | sayaka | you are just a bunch of idiots |
| 13:43.22 | bob2 | I fell from grace when I first /join'd #debian in 1989 |
| 13:43.24 | asg | Guerin: Jethro Tull song from Minstrel in the Gallery |
| 13:43.28 | bob2 | sayaka: stop being so whiney |
| 13:43.32 | Phated | "fallen from grace"... Seriously... When was the last time you heard that outside of a song... |
| 13:43.33 | Whooper | question.. is there any way to get hold of the default kernel that debian sarge installs, and which supports lots of hardware? apt-get upgrade decided to replace it with one with very limited hardware support, and now it won't boot.. |
| 13:43.33 | bob2 | sayaka: we don't care what you think |
| 13:43.35 | igraltist | hi |
| 13:43.38 | Phated | *snortle* |
| 13:43.44 | Guerin | asg: heh. |
| 13:43.48 | bob2 | sayaka: Debian stable is 7 cds. you can install off the first one |
| 13:43.49 | pepsi_ | I copied a directory from one filesystem to another. now du -s <dir> shows different sizes. Might this be because one fs is reiser and the other ext? |
| 13:43.50 | bob2 | \have fun |
| 13:43.51 | valdyn | !tell sayaka about d-i |
| 13:43.54 | Phated | sayaka: /quit is only five characters away. |
| 13:44.07 | caphuso | pepsi_: how big is the difference? |
| 13:44.10 | scarynetworkguy | Heh. |
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| 13:44.44 | pepsi_ | caphuso: ~ 2% |
| 13:44.47 | igraltist | i have the kernel 2.6.8 in when i do depmod: QM_MODULES: Function not implemented, what i have do wrong? |
| 13:44.54 | paulswm | damn power outage |
| 13:44.55 | bob2 | !+qm_modules |
| 13:44.55 | dpkg | install module-init-tools, or <Justin_> like I said a while ago, it should be QM_ID10T_MODULES, or ask me about <bunk 2.6> |
| 13:44.55 | resiak | Phated: It w0rk3d!!!!!111! |
| 13:45.02 | caphuso | pepsi_: then it's probably the tail packing reiserfs does |
| 13:45.06 | Phated | resiak: Ai, don't make me smack you too. |
| 13:45.11 | igraltist | oh thx i forget :) |
| 13:45.23 | pepsi_ | caphuso: ok.. is there anyway of doing an md5sum on the directories? =/ |
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| 13:45.48 | bob2 | pepsi_: rsync -n them |
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| 13:46.07 | bob2 | which I'd never thought of before now |
| 13:46.10 | pepsi_ | bob2: ok.. I'll check it out |
| 13:46.12 | bob2 | but sounds handy |
| 13:46.16 | igraltist | first i have build the kernel without module but the nividia diver need module on |
| 13:46.28 | scarynetworkguy | resiak: Shouldn't you be on the way to the video store? |
| 13:46.43 | bob2 | igraltist: yup |
| 13:46.56 | resiak | scarynetworkguy: I should be nose-deep in pages of Haskell. |
| 13:47.03 | scarynetworkguy | resiak: Heh. |
| 13:47.11 | tirkal | ok, so basically, once the machine got it's IP address through the UDP connection, I don't need - nor want - it anymore. How do I close the udp connection? |
| 13:47.33 | Phated | Just... leave it alone. You do need it, when your lease expires and stuff. |
| 13:47.35 | asg | tirkal: kill the dhcp client but that will prevent it from getting it's lease renewed |
| 13:47.37 | scarynetworkguy | tirkal: You can't. DHCP as the name implies is well dynamic. |
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| 13:47.59 | Phated | Why, precisely, do you not want it there? |
| 13:48.06 | asg | tirkal: you are better off reconfiguring your server to use a static ip (man 5 interfaces and /msg dpkg faq) |
| 13:48.09 | resiak | "Security risk" |
| 13:48.11 | tirkal | hmmm. but the knowledgable guy in CS told my I can and should... |
| 13:48.14 | skunk | dopes anyone know is amavis & clamav are the same product ? |
| 13:48.27 | bob2 | skunk: they are not |
| 13:48.36 | tirkal | Phated: I'll ask that guy again. he's the "*nix expert" in residence |
| 13:48.50 | Phated | -What- security risk? It's probably a bigger risk to run apache than that. |
| 13:48.52 | fbred | I have just bought a SB Audigy LS-soundcard, but I cant get it working. The problem is described at http://foo.moo.no/alsa.txt, if anyone has suggestions, please tell me. |
| 13:49.11 | scarynetworkguy | tirkal: That guy is not knwoledgable then. If you are worried about it find out what your net admin likes for breakfast. Get a good version of that. Take it to him/her and ask for a static IP. |
| 13:49.29 | skunk | bob2: I need a good URL that tells me how to upgade clamav with EXIM.. I've tried the manual and i cant really make any sense of it |
| 13:49.39 | bob2 | skunk: er? |
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| 13:49.51 | bob2 | skunk: you mean "setup clamav with exim"? |
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| 13:49.57 | looksaus | I have a strange problem with CUPS |
| 13:50.07 | skunk | bon2: yes that what I've after |
| 13:50.13 | tirkal | Phated: yes, services can constitute a risk. however, that risk is necessary. even if the udp connection is a small risk, it is redundant, so I'll remove it |
| 13:50.22 | Phated | You'll notice how bootpc connect to localhost and doesn't have an open, listening connection. That's... not too much of a security risk. |
| 13:50.23 | bob2 | skunk: with exim3, you're probably screwed |
| 13:50.27 | tirkal | scarynetworkguy: hehe thanks for the tip :) |
| 13:50.33 | bob2 | skunk: there's tons of info on setting it up with exim4 |
| 13:50.34 | looksaus | perfectly working PostScript laserjet with ethernet (jetdirect) |
| 13:50.38 | scarynetworkguy | tirkal: And then you will lose your IP and you won't have any risk. |
| 13:50.44 | looksaus | was working |
| 13:50.49 | asg | Phated: 0.0.0.0:68 <--- listening on all interfaces |
| 13:50.54 | looksaus | no config files updated |
| 13:50.57 | scarynetworkguy | tirkal: It *needs* to talk to the DHCP server on a ongoing basis. |
| 13:51.00 | looksaus | stoped working some time ago |
| 13:51.02 | skunk | bob2: I have version 4.. its already setup, I just need to know how to upgrade |
| 13:51.06 | Phated | Pah. Find out when the last, LAST, DHCP sploit happened. |
| 13:51.08 | skunk | its telling me it out of date |
| 13:51.10 | bob2 | skunk: upgrade what? |
| 13:51.18 | looksaus | only clue I get is in /var/log/cups/error_log: |
| 13:51.19 | looksaus | E [16/Jan/2005:14:40:13 +0100] [CGI] CUPS-Get-Printers request failed - server-error-internal-error (500) |
| 13:51.26 | scarynetworkguy | Indeed. |
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| 13:51.33 | skunk | bon2: clamav |
| 13:51.40 | skunk | bob2: clamav |
| 13:51.43 | skunk | sorry |
| 13:52.04 | looksaus | any clues where I could look for the cause to this problem? |
| 13:52.10 | bob2 | skunk: so...upgrade the packages you have installed |
| 13:52.14 | tirkal | Phated: the guy actually said the specific attack is to somehow send a spoofed ip or something (or somehow make the server boot from a a malicious server) sorry for vagueness, I'm new here :) |
| 13:52.15 | asg | scarynetworkguy: also, see the 'Securing Debian HOWTO' at www.debian.org |
| 13:52.25 | asg | s/scarynetworkguy/tirkal/ |
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| 13:52.36 | Phated | tirkal: Right. |
| 13:52.41 | looksaus | (the printer used to work fine on this machine, and it still does on an Ubuntu machine in the next room) |
| 13:52.42 | tirkal | yeah, I looked at that. seems like securing a server is a chore |
| 13:52.50 | tirkal | s/chore/full time job :) |
| 13:52.50 | asg | tirkal: of course |
| 13:52.56 | skunk | bob2: I dont understand how clam integrates with EXIM |
| 13:53.01 | scarynetworkguy | asg: I was looking to teach him the general approach but yeah that's a damn good doc. |
| 13:53.07 | paulswm | tirkal: yes, it is |
| 13:53.10 | bob2 | skunk: clamav calls out to it |
| 13:53.14 | bob2 | skunk: er, exim does |
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| 13:53.20 | asg | scarynetworkguy: yeah |
| 13:53.24 | bob2 | skunk: you don't really need to understand how it works to just upgrade packages, tho |
| 13:53.31 | scarynetworkguy | asg: Yeah. |
| 13:53.44 | looksaus | is there any known problem with late cups versions? |
| 13:53.54 | asg | looksaus: the bts would know |
| 13:53.58 | skunk | bob2: I do when the guy who built it, built it from source |
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| 13:54.09 | skunk | he did not use package management |
| 13:54.09 | scarynetworkguy | tirkal: That would require a rouge DHCP server if your network monkies don't notice that in about 5.3 seconds they should all be taken out and shot. |
| 13:54.29 | Phated | tirkal: It's not a -job-. It's a lifestyle. |
| 13:54.32 | bob2 | skunk: gah |
| 13:54.43 | asuffield | hell, if you network permits that sort of thing then you're dead anyway, regardless of whether you use dhcp or not |
| 13:54.47 | skunk | bob2: you get my concern now ? |
| 13:54.51 | tirkal | Phated: do I have to retain my virginity? :) |
| 13:55.17 | scarynetworkguy | It's a way of life. |
| 13:55.20 | bob2 | skunk: yeah |
| 13:55.31 | Phated | tirkal: You've given up all hope of ever -losing- it. You're on fucking IRC on Sunday night. Duh. |
| 13:55.37 | scarynetworkguy | Heh. |
| 13:55.38 | scarynetworkguy | Nice. |
| 13:55.45 | tirkal | hehe, so true |
| 13:55.56 | paulswm | it's Sunday morning here |
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| 13:56.07 | paulswm | that may be even worse |
| 13:56.08 | asg | Phated: might have lost it before being turned to the dark side |
| 13:56.12 | skunk | bob2: so thats why I need to know how they integrate with each other |
| 13:56.32 | asg | paulswm: yes, it is. I can't buy beer until noon |
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| 13:56.38 | Phated | asg: True. But obviously, if he's asking, he hasn't. |
| 13:56.44 | asg | Phated: right |
| 13:56.47 | asuffield | Phated, on the other hand, appears to be on IRC in a misguided attempt to lose it :P |
| 13:56.56 | tirkal | scarynetworkguy: everyone here is clueless. few people know more than how to point-and-click a Server2000 together (which ofcourse gets infected 2 days later) |
| 13:56.57 | asg | hehe |
| 13:56.59 | Phated | asuffield: Oh no I'm not interested in losing it. :) |
| 13:57.11 | FlopsyPete | anyone know of a worthwhile SCP client with a Gnome GUI? I tried one, forget the name now, and it hd a poor interface |
| 13:57.15 | Phated | tirkal: Ey... Keep in mind "here" refers to... -here-. |
| 13:57.26 | asg | FlopsyPete: gftp apparently can do it |
| 13:57.27 | asuffield | Phated: given the way you flirt with everything that squeaks, I'm not sure I believe you :P |
| 13:57.28 | Phated | An xterm with GTK theme? |
| 13:57.31 | paulswm | asg: heh |
| 13:57.37 | bob2 | 'blah "$@"' is the standard way to call a program with all the arguments your shell script got given, right? |
| 13:57.37 | tirkal | Phated: I meant "here" as "in my workplace" |
| 13:57.54 | Phated | asuffield: Considering most of you are twice my age or more, I'm not sure I'll be flirting anymore. :) |
| 13:58.00 | asg | bob2: that works for me |
| 13:58.02 | scarynetworkguy | tirkal: *shrug* |
| 13:58.08 | FlopsyPete | asg: ooh, thats good, I thought it was just ftp, I'll check it out, its right here... |
| 13:58.09 | asuffield | bob2: that'll do it, although you may want an exec |
| 13:58.12 | Phated | tirkal: Then say so. :) |
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| 13:58.29 | bob2 | asuffield: ah, point |
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| 13:58.50 | asg | Phated: flirting with us is like tricking grandad with a fart cushion. |
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| 13:59.10 | Phated | asg: Sick, wrong, and likely to cause one or more heart attacks, yes. |
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| 13:59.32 | asg | Phated: agreed (most have probably been seen or happened within the last 24 hours I'm sure.) |
| 13:59.43 | Phated | Dear lord. |
| 13:59.52 | asuffield | Phated: I think there's a fair number of people here who are under 25 |
| 14:00.14 | paulswm | yeah, like me |
| 14:00.14 | Phated | asuffield: Huzzah. |
| 14:00.15 | asg | asuffield: the ones who go "?!?" when you mention vinyl |
| 14:00.23 | bob2 | <PROTECTED> |
| 14:00.24 | paulswm | oh sorry I thoguht you said 55 |
| 14:00.25 | bob2 | bah |
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| 14:01.10 | dargy | What can i do so user cs can cp a file from www-data home dir to cs`s homedir |
| 14:01.18 | asg | bob2: that's a lot of channels to be in |
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| 14:01.52 | bob2 | asg: heh, I'm at the freenode limit (20) and on a couple of other networks |
| 14:02.00 | bob2 | this way I've always got something to distract me when neccessary |
| 14:02.02 | asg | bob2: haha, didn't know there was one. |
| 14:02.07 | Phated | bob2: So true. |
| 14:02.28 | bob2 | Phated: well, the 'when neccessary' bit was a lie, unfortunately :/ |
| 14:02.32 | scarynetworkguy | Heh. |
| 14:02.38 | Phated | bob2: Oh, you poor thing. |
| 14:02.45 | paulswm | dargy: set appropriate read permissions |
| 14:02.52 | bob2 | haha |
| 14:02.52 | scarynetworkguy | !comfort bob2 |
| 14:02.52 | dpkg | There, there, bob2. It's OK. I'm here for you. |
| 14:03.06 | streuner_ | strange, ob3 and the version of idesk (sid) produces some odd behavior, ob2 and idesk doesn't show any icons on the desktop at all. |
| 14:03.23 | Phated | streuner_: But it does. |
| 14:03.28 | Phated | I have my pretty icons. |
| 14:03.38 | Guerin | why are all weather dockapps complete shit? |
| 14:03.41 | Phated | streuner_: Have you like set it all up correctly? |
| 14:03.45 | bob2 | paulswm: yummay |
| 14:03.46 | streuner_ | Phated: no, it doesn't, wanna see a screenshot? ;-) |
| 14:03.49 | pole | are there any fsck tools for ntfs that i can use in debian? |
| 14:03.49 | Phated | Guerin: Because weather isn't necessary. |
| 14:03.54 | bob2 | Phated: I knew you cared! |
| 14:04.05 | dargy | paulswm: how? |
| 14:04.06 | Phated | streuner_: You -haven't- set it up? |
| 14:04.09 | Phated | bob2: Haha. |
| 14:04.13 | bob2 | Guerin: in singapore they just say '32C, 100% humidity' all the time anyway |
| 14:04.18 | streuner_ | Phated: sure, i prefer ob2. |
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| 14:04.26 | Phated | bob2: AI! |
| 14:04.39 | Phated | That's unfair. We go below 30degC sometimes. |
| 14:04.42 | Phated | Like... at night. |
| 14:04.49 | Guerin | bob2: true that |
| 14:04.52 | streuner_ | Phated: the same settings (idesk) work for ob3 and i can see 1 icon at least... |
| 14:04.58 | paulswm | dargy: you need to set read permossions on the directory and any files you want the user to be able to read. 'man chmod' |
| 14:05.01 | bob2 | hahaha |
| 14:05.19 | Phated | streuner_: Well then... *shrugs* |
| 14:05.23 | Phated | bob2: :P |
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| 14:05.34 | asuffield | I never did figure out why anybody would build cities in such a ridiculous part of the world |
| 14:05.47 | Phated | Ai! |
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| 14:05.56 | streuner_ | asuffield: they have air-condition ;-) |
| 14:06.03 | Phated | It's the fucking Brits' fault, anyway. |
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| 14:06.13 | asuffield | streuner_: they need *towels* |
| 14:06.13 | bodq | hello |
| 14:06.24 | Phated | asuffield: And you don't own a single towel? |
| 14:06.32 | Phated | I mean... you shower, you towel off... |
| 14:06.37 | bodq | is kernel-image-2.6-686 broken in a certain way? |
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| 14:06.47 | Phated | They're the ones who came down here with their bloody ships and building stupid trading ports and stuff. |
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| 14:07.06 | paulswm | Phated: yes, our fault but it's turned out pretty well |
| 14:07.07 | asuffield | Phated: sure, but in your case it's more like "you open the window, you need a towel" |
| 14:07.09 | Phated | bodq: Yes, it is. It doesn't exist. |
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| 14:07.25 | dargy | paulswm: chmod -R 777 /var/www ? |
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| 14:07.28 | Phated | asuffield: Not really. It's all a matter of acclimatation. |
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| 14:07.30 | bodq | Phated: how come? :) it's installed on my computer :) |
| 14:07.32 | scarynetworkguy | That would be a certian way |
| 14:07.35 | scarynetworkguy | dargy: NO!! |
| 14:07.45 | paulswm | dargy: geez, no |
| 14:07.46 | Phated | bodq: No, it's not. |
| 14:08.01 | bodq | Phated: wanna bet? |
| 14:08.01 | paulswm | dargy: ***read*** perms |
| 14:08.01 | resiak | Phated: *sniff* Don't be angry with us! |
| 14:08.24 | dargy | paulswm: hmm? |
| 14:08.24 | paulswm | !abuse dargy |
| 14:08.39 | Phated | bodq: Sure. The package "kernel-image-2.6-686" does. Not. Exist. |
| 14:08.44 | Phated | !info kernel-image-2.6-686 |
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| 14:08.45 | paulswm | dargy: read about file and directory permissions. |
| 14:08.46 | dargy | aahh |
| 14:08.47 | dpkg | kernel-image-2.6-686: (Linux kernel image for version 2.6 on PPro/Celeron/PII/PIII/P4.), section base, is optional. Version: 101 (sid), Packaged size: 2 kB, Installed size: 32 kB |
| 14:08.47 | dargy | i found it |
| 14:08.49 | dargy | thanks. |
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| 14:08.53 | Phated | Oh, it does. |
| 14:09.02 | Phated | My bad. :| |
| 14:09.09 | asuffield | Phated: you suck |
| 14:09.15 | Phated | asuffield: You wish. :) |
| 14:09.22 | Spg | i dont understand |
| 14:09.24 | Phated | resiak: Wha-? |
| 14:09.30 | Phated | Spg: Best you don't. |
| 14:09.31 | asuffield | gah, it's like talking to doogie |
| 14:09.36 | bodq | Phated: can I see recent bugs posted for it via 'dpkg'? |
| 14:09.37 | Phated | Who's doogie? |
| 14:09.44 | Phated | bodq: apt-listbugs. |
| 14:10.25 | bodq | Phated: that's even better, thanks! |
| 14:10.25 | asuffield | doogie's sick |
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| 14:10.32 | Phated | Who's doogie? |
| 14:10.35 | PinkBunny | hum.......what if 2 dhcp servers appear on same lan |
| 14:10.38 | bob2 | he's sick |
| 14:10.38 | PinkBunny | will it work first come first served |
| 14:10.40 | Phated | bodq: Have fun. OR bugs.d.o |
| 14:10.40 | PinkBunny | or will it screw the entire process? |
| 14:10.42 | bob2 | that's about all there is to it |
| 14:10.45 | Phated | But who is he? |
| 14:11.00 | asuffield | Adam "doogie" Heath, "I lost my virginity in a strip club last night", "I have no hair on my body except in my arse", etc |
| 14:11.03 | scarynetworkguy | PinkBunny: Are they serving two different address ranges? |
| 14:11.04 | paulswm | dargy: easier to use symbolics rather than the bitmask, for instance: chmod o+r foo |
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| 14:11.50 | Skiver | bob2 : after i added entries in ~/.xsession, the fonts in kde seem screwed up |
| 14:11.58 | Phated | scarynetworkguy: Only just? |
| 14:11.58 | PinkBunny | scarynetworkguy: no, we are planning netboot server for some uni labs, but question is what if someone brings his own netboot server and connects it to lan |
| 14:12.03 | bob2 | I dunno what would cause that |
| 14:12.17 | scarynetworkguy | Phated: Heh. I'm a bit on the slow side this morning. |
| 14:12.20 | asuffield | PinkBunny: then you're screwed |
| 14:12.23 | PinkBunny | scarynetworkguy: will he be able to boot his own image on clients then if client gets his dhcp response first |
| 14:12.37 | Phated | Why would you let someone randomly connect his own hardware to the LAN, anyway? |
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| 14:12.51 | asuffield | it is certainly possible for a rogue dhcp server to capture booting clients |
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| 14:13.27 | asuffield | if you have rogue hardware in the building then the network should have been secured at the hardware level. that means intelligent routers with acls |
| 14:13.28 | scarynetworkguy | PinkBunny: That is fucking insane. |
| 14:13.32 | PinkBunny | Phated: how can you prevent that without armed guard or going through process of binding 100 clients by their mac adds :) |
| 14:13.35 | Phated | Which could be a reason why you don't let people randomly connect hardware to your system/ |
| 14:13.50 | asuffield | PinkBunny: try locking the door |
| 14:13.52 | asuffield | s |
| 14:13.52 | Skiver | bob2 : anywhere to set the preferred TTF in X ? |
| 14:13.54 | Phated | PinkBunny: Through having a name more threatening than "PinkBunny" |
| 14:13.57 | scarynetworkguy | Of course it is. |
| 14:13.59 | PinkBunny | which can be spooferd anyway |
| 14:14.05 | bob2 | Skiver: that won't be the problem |
| 14:14.20 | paulswm | Phated: ha, thta a good one |
| 14:14.21 | Phated | Well, if you want to do that, have fun. |
| 14:14.25 | asuffield | mac addresses aren't secure. only good hardware can do that |
| 14:14.31 | Phated | paulswm: Thank you, thank you, I'll be here all week. |
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| 14:14.43 | asuffield | something like a catalyst switch, or a real router |
| 14:14.44 | PinkBunny | Phated: I am 6'8 and 260 pounds weightlifter for that matter, but cant trust on that to pacify fellow students with malicous intents :) |
| 14:14.57 | Phated | PinkBunny: You don't want to pacify them. |
| 14:14.57 | Skiver | bob2 : my browser and kde are using one TTF, where as other programs like Gaim, Xchat are using another . |
| 14:15.13 | bob2 | Skiver: configure kde to use one explicitly instead of the defaults? |
| 14:15.15 | Phated | Besides, after the name, they probably think you're a wimp who works out to prevent being beaten up. :) |
| 14:15.17 | bob2 | Skiver: this is kde3, right? |
| 14:15.31 | bob2 | I wish g++ was faster |
| 14:15.36 | Guerin | PinkBunny: oh yeah, I'm the All-Korea tae kwon do champion, 7 dans and 4 kills to my name. |
| 14:15.37 | bob2 | like 180 times faster |
| 14:15.58 | paulswm | bob2: well write in C then like any sane person :-P |
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| 14:16.17 | PinkBunny | Guerin: for what I know you could be |
| 14:16.22 | Skiver | bob2 : yes, but this is a english locale, the problem lies with the chinese TTF, i used to have all synchronized in /etc/fonts/locale.conf |
| 14:16.22 | FlopsyPete | bodq: kernel-image-2.6.8-1-686 |
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| 14:16.24 | FlopsyPete | bodq: kernel-image-2.6.7-1-686 |
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| 14:16.59 | resiak | Phated: For the ports. |
| 14:16.59 | paulswm | !nickometer PinkBunny |
| 14:17.00 | dpkg | 'PinkBunny' is 0.000% lame, paulswm |
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| 14:17.07 | PinkBunny | see |
| 14:17.07 | lili | holla |
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| 14:17.25 | paulswm | the bot's saying that about all the nicks recently |
| 14:17.29 | zakame | hi all |
| 14:17.32 | PinkBunny | !nickometer paulswm |
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| 14:18.16 | bob2 | paulswm: not my code, sadly |
| 14:18.28 | bob2 | at least it uses old legacy code like qt |
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| 14:18.39 | bob2 | so it doesn't consume a terabyte of ram doing templates |
| 14:18.39 | lili | heloom |
| 14:18.42 | lili | hello |
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| 14:18.49 | scarynetworkguy | PinkBunny: If you don't have good physical security it will happen. Rather than thinking about how to try and make it play nice you should take a 20 lb sledge to the server in question, shoot the person who did it in the back of the head and put his/her head on a pike as a warning to others. |
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| 14:19.05 | lili | no entiendooo nada de lok hablannnnn |
| 14:19.16 | bob2 | lili: obviously this is an English channel |
| 14:19.18 | bob2 | !+spanish |
| 14:19.18 | dpkg | Hispanohablantes: Por favor usen #debian-es, alli obtendran mas ayuda. Spanish Speakers: Please use #debian-es, there you will get much more help. |
| 14:19.31 | bob2 | resiak: I don't mind the language, I just hate how long g++ takes |
| 14:19.31 | dbron | hi all, I am generating keys for ssh logins and don't see a real distinction between rsa and dsa keys (although it is suggested that 1024 size is fine) is there a significant reason to choose one rather than the other? |
| 14:19.42 | lili | k latirooo byeee soy de argentinaaaapòr lo visto todos hablannnn en inglessss yo agata digo helllo |
| 14:19.45 | bob2 | dbron: no |
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| 14:19.53 | lili | jajajajajaj |
| 14:19.54 | lili | byeee |
| 14:19.56 | bob2 | lili: Hispanohablantes: Por favor usen #debian-es, alli obtendran mas ayuda. |
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| 14:19.59 | lili | babayyy bob2 |
| 14:20.00 | dbron | bob2: k, thanks |
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| 14:20.05 | resiak | bob2: That's fair enough. |
| 14:20.05 | zakame | heh. |
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| 14:20.13 | scarynetworkguy | paulswm: You have to rule with an iron fist. :) |
| 14:20.22 | scarynetworkguy | Otherwise they get uppity. |
| 14:20.37 | paulswm | heh\ |
| 14:20.44 | Piru | bofh methods |
| 14:20.55 | scarynetworkguy | Damn straight. |
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| 14:23.56 | PenjejakNeraka | Hi guys |
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| 14:24.21 | PenjejakNeraka | I try to install sun-j2re package, but i got this error |
| 14:24.29 | PenjejakNeraka | narcissus:~# apt-get install sun-j2re1.5debian |
| 14:24.29 | PenjejakNeraka | Reading Package Lists... Done |
| 14:24.29 | PenjejakNeraka | Building Dependency Tree... Done |
| 14:24.29 | PenjejakNeraka | Some packages could not be installed. This may mean that you have |
| 14:24.29 | PenjejakNeraka | requested an impossible situation or if you are using the unstable |
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| 14:24.47 | Piru | sigh |
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| 14:25.21 | Slaytanic | Hi guys... Can anyone point me to a "recommended setup" or "best practices" document or HOWTO concerning setting up a small shared web hosting server? I've used debian for a few years now but this is the first time I'm setting up a shared server, so I'd like to do it right from the very beginning, especially security-wise... The only thing I've found so far is the "Perfect Setup" document at http://www.projektfarm.com/e |
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| 14:26.00 | PenjejakNeraka | i try to install sun-j2re package but got this error (error message located at #flood) |
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| 14:26.37 | Guerin | PenjejakNeraka: apt-get install java-package; man make-jpkg |
| 14:26.52 | paulswm | Slaytanic: there are some interesting docs at aboutdebian, for example, http://www.aboutdebian.com/internet.htm - not sure if it's of any use |
| 14:27.03 | PenjejakNeraka | Guerin, thanks |
| 14:27.16 | Guerin | Slaytanic: are you going to be taking payment? |
| 14:27.37 | Guerin | Slaytanic: as in: do you have to provide any real quality of service? |
| 14:27.42 | PenjejakNeraka | Guerin, i successfully installed java-package. do i need to install sun-j2re? |
| 14:28.01 | Guerin | PenjejakNeraka: you need to read the documentation. /msh dpkg java-package |
| 14:28.06 | Guerin | s/msh/msg/ |
| 14:28.21 | Slaytanic | paulswm: Thanks! |
| 14:28.26 | PenjejakNeraka | Guerin, thanks |
| 14:28.29 | paulswm | Slaytanic: oh, web *hosting*, not just web server, forget what I said then, maybe not much use |
| 14:29.02 | Slaytanic | Guerin: Well, it's mostly going to be used by friends of mine, but yes, they'll pay a small amount. So I'll provide limited quality of service, so to speak. No guarantees. |
| 14:29.33 | paulswm | Slaytanic: then if the link is of use, you owe me $5 US :-P |
| 14:30.19 | Slaytanic | paulswm: Hahah, all right! I'll paypal you some cash if the server is successful. :D |
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| 14:30.57 | Guerin | Slaytanic: ok. basically; you want to read a lot about virtual hosts; for apache; your mail service and ftp if you'll be using it. |
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| 14:31.09 | DaCa | Slaytanic: the url you gave doesnt work :) |
| 14:31.14 | paulswm | Slaytanic: keep it, you'll need the money to pay someone to threaten any of your friends who try to hack your server :) |
| 14:31.30 | Guerin | Slaytanic: think: privilege separation and encryption. |
| 14:31.31 | Slaytanic | Daca: Sure does! |
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| 14:31.55 | Guerin | Slaytanic: there's no overriding howto I know of, you just have to rtfm like a fiend. |
| 14:32.03 | Melior | hello? |
| 14:32.13 | Melior | can someone help me? |
| 14:32.21 | DaCa | Slaytanic: it may have been shortened to due your long line, http://www.projektfarm.com/e is all what got thru |
| 14:32.22 | Guerin | Melior: can someone ask a question? |
| 14:32.26 | paulswm | DaCa: just tried it, works fine |
| 14:32.44 | Melior | ./MTAServer0.4.1: error while loading shared libraries: libstdc++.so.5: cannot |
| 14:32.44 | Melior | open shared object file: No such file or directory |
| 14:32.48 | Melior | ./MTAServer0.4.1: error while loading shared libraries: libstdc++.so.5: cannot |
| 14:32.48 | Melior | open shared object file: No such file or directory |
| 14:32.52 | Slaytanic | Guerin: Yeah, that's exactly what I need to learn more about... Thanks for your help, I guess I'll have to setup the best practices myself. :) |
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| 14:33.00 | Slaytanic | daca: http://www.projektfarm.com/en/support/debian_setup/index.html is the full URL. |
| 14:33.07 | Guerin | Melior: that's not a question, that's worthless spammage. |
| 14:33.11 | Melior | soz |
| 14:33.17 | Melior | but can u tell me |
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| 14:33.25 | Melior | why that is not working |
| 14:33.37 | Guerin | Melior: why did you install non-debian software? |
| 14:33.49 | Melior | i did? |
| 14:33.53 | Melior | i dunno :S |
| 14:34.06 | abrotman | !u |
| 14:34.06 | dpkg | Dammit Jim! It's YOU. Y-O-U. Not *U*. U is a letter. YOU is a word. See ne1, or wud. Dutch for 'you' (formal singular). See http://ars.userfriendly.org/cartoons/?id=20041201 |
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| 14:34.21 | mvhurja | hello, im installind debian in my secondary conputer... i need to know how i must partiotion my hdd my hdd is 6448.62 mb |
| 14:34.30 | Guerin | Slaytanic: yeah. If you set things up right, you can do all your auth (except ssh, natch) out of a mysql database - ftp, http and mail auth. |
| 14:34.34 | abrotman | 500 for swap .. rest for / |
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| 14:34.55 | Melior | but if i download libstdc+ i cant install it ? |
| 14:34.59 | toresbe | what the hell could be causing one of my sshds to be using over 60% CPU? |
| 14:35.06 | abrotman | toresbe: scp ? |
| 14:35.13 | abrotman | mvhurja: don't do that |
| 14:35.23 | toresbe | abrotman: funny, it stopped now |
| 14:35.29 | abrotman | mvhurja: stop it |
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| 14:35.36 | Melior | ./libstdc++5_3.3.5-6_i386.deb: line 1: syntax error near unexpected token `!<ar |
| 14:35.36 | Melior | ch>' |
| 14:35.41 | Melior | .... |
| 14:35.42 | Guerin | Slaytanic: for mail, look at http://hight5.net/howto or http://workaround.org/articles/ispmail[-sarge] |
| 14:35.42 | toresbe | Cpu(s): 4.2% us, 3.6% sy, 90.9% ni, 0.0% id, 0.0% wa, 0.3% hi, 1.0% si |
| 14:35.50 | abrotman | mvhurja: ask in here |
| 14:35.50 | Slaytanic | Guerin: I'll probably use the QmailRocks guide for all mail related services, but I'd like to setup Apache and MySQL in a nice way that's secure and ensure the users privacy... I'm thinking of basing it all on MySQL, yes, but that'll probably involve creating a lot of admin interfaces by hand... |
| 14:35.52 | toresbe | what does "ni" mean? |
| 14:35.57 | mvhurja | ok |
| 14:36.01 | Guerin | Melior: oh, stupidness. |
| 14:36.04 | DaCa | Slaytanic: ok, got it, you wanted some security tips, first never give shell accounts if not absolutely necessary |
| 14:36.05 | Melior | ? |
| 14:36.09 | abrotman | mvhurja: never *ever* msg anyone without permission |
| 14:36.11 | Guerin | Melior: why are you trying to execute a .deb file? |
| 14:36.15 | abrotman | and no .. you don't have mine |
| 14:36.21 | Guerin | nooo |
| 14:36.27 | Guerin | Slaytanic: not qmailrocks, believe me. |
| 14:36.31 | Melior | what do i need to do with that file ? |
| 14:36.36 | mvhurja | i am in cfdisk 2.11n... my hdd is 6448.62.. can somebody tell me how to partition it |
| 14:36.48 | abrotman | mvhurja: use sarge .. tell it to use the whole drive |
| 14:36.54 | paulswm | this channel is full of signs of the end times, must be cause it's Sunday |
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| 14:37.11 | abrotman | paulswm: we blame ralph mostly |
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| 14:37.15 | mvhurja | abrotman: where is sarge ? |
| 14:37.17 | Guerin | Melior: /msg dpkg fundamentals |
| 14:37.18 | abrotman | !d-i |
| 14:37.18 | dpkg | [d-i] the new installer for sarge (debian 3.1), at http://www.debian.org/devel/debian-installer/ or see #debian-boot, but don't pester the d-i devs with unrelated questions, or see <debian-installer> |
| 14:37.20 | Slaytanic | Daca: Shell accounts will of course only be offered to people who need and pay for it. :) Everyone else will use FTP... |
| 14:37.22 | abrotman | mvhurja: there ^^ |
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| 14:37.28 | Guerin | Melior: man dpkg, man apt-get |
| 14:37.28 | Slaytanic | Guerin: Ok, why not? |
| 14:37.34 | abrotman | mvhurja: get the netinst image |
| 14:37.50 | Guerin | Melior: /msg dpkg pkgmgmt |
| 14:38.03 | Guerin | Melior: don't message me. |
| 14:38.07 | DaCa | Slaytanic: i would not offer ftp, let them use scp (look into scponly) |
| 14:38.35 | abrotman | !msg |
| 14:38.36 | dpkg | (1) Use private messages to the bots to reduce channel spam, but don't message people on #debian without asking permission first. Most questions should be asked on channel, so that others can benefit from the question and the answers received. (2) Always feel free to message freenode network staff. They're the people with hostnames ending in 'staff.freenode'. (3) Monosodium glutamate, a food additive (see http://truthinlabeling.org/). |
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| 14:38.48 | abrotman | everyone understand? |
| 14:38.51 | paulswm | Melior: read /topic: "/msg bots NOT people" |
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| 14:39.09 | DaCa | Slaytanic: also for imap, i would choose a sealed system, like cyrus-imapd |
| 14:39.10 | paulswm | heh |
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| 14:39.18 | Slaytanic | DaCa: I know, FTP is not secure, but it's the single way of transferring files most non-linux users know about. I'll try to use some kind of secure FTP. |
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| 14:39.30 | Guerin | Slaytanic: because: 1) it's djbware 2) because it's djbware, it doesn't integrate fantastically well with the debian package management system; 3) because it's djbware, the skills you learn while using it aren't portable; 4) it's very limited 5) it's djbware |
| 14:39.38 | paulswm | Slaytanic: sftp |
| 14:39.44 | abrotman | Ronin!! |
| 14:39.53 | Slaytanic | Daca: Ok, noted. How does cyrus differ from for example Courier? |
| 14:39.55 | paulswm | Slaytanic: slow cos it's encrypted of course |
| 14:40.22 | scarynetworkguy | Slaytanic: sftp. Filezilla is a "nice" winders client. |
| 14:40.26 | Guerin | cyrus is hard. courier is easy :) |
| 14:40.38 | Slaytanic | Guerin: Hehe, the infamous djb issue... The reason I am planning to go for qmail is simply that I know it better than Postfix and the other mail agents... |
| 14:40.42 | Slaytanic | scarynetworkguy: Thanks! |
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| 14:40.58 | paulswm | heh, he said "nice" and "winders" in the same sentence |
| 14:41.14 | Ronin | yes abrotman |
| 14:41.15 | Melior | stupid help files |
| 14:41.19 | Melior | ti huge |
| 14:41.20 | Guerin | Slaytanic: well, if you know it... fine. But there are all-in-one howtos for postfix/imap/pop/sasl/mysql |
| 14:41.20 | Melior | to |
| 14:41.31 | scarynetworkguy | paulswm: You will notice tha nice was in quotes. And since the client in question is OSS it is not half bad at all. |
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| 14:42.01 | Slaytanic | Guerin: That ISP-mail howto is just the kind of stuff I'm looking for, great link. |
| 14:42.01 | DaCa | Slaytanic: I dont know the state of courier atm, but for cyrus: mail is in a database, not on /var/mail, users are different from unix users, you can apply acls to mailboxen, ppl can even using sieve upload serverside mailfilters without security risks |
| 14:42.09 | FalscherHase | hi. is discover only used during installation or always on a standard sarge system? |
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| 14:42.20 | Phated | Only if you install it. |
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| 14:42.30 | Melior | can someone tell me how to get libstdc |
| 14:42.31 | Slaytanic | Daca: Ok, I see. I'll look into Cyrus. |
| 14:42.33 | Guerin | no, it's in by default on sarge |
| 14:42.38 | paulswm | scarynetworkguy: was kidding, but BTW aren't there security issues with OSS in winders |
| 14:42.41 | Phated | It is, eh. |
| 14:42.44 | Guerin | Melior: apt-get install <package> |
| 14:42.50 | scarynetworkguy | paulswm: No more than any other app. |
| 14:42.53 | Phated | paulswm: Bah, there are security issues anywheree... |
| 14:42.54 | abrotman | Ronin: sorry .. the movie is on |
| 14:42.58 | DaCa | Slaytanic: its true that its more difficult to set up, and documentation is scarse |
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| 14:43.03 | Melior | package must be that .deb file? |
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| 14:43.11 | Phated | Isn't Windows like... one big security issue? :) |
| 14:43.21 | Gustav098 | Hello |
| 14:43.23 | scarynetworkguy | Yes yes it is. |
| 14:43.25 | Slaytanic | Guerin: Can't say I "prefer" qmail to for example postfix, but I just feel it's safer to use the program I know. But the lacking integration between qmail and Debian disturbs me for sure... Those howtos you mention, you got them bookmarked? |
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| 14:43.33 | paulswm | I meane there was an exploit which would crash a WIn server but had no effect on a *nix one, just a few months ago IIRC |
| 14:43.37 | Guerin | Melior: not the full name - to locate the name of the package, use apt-cache search <something> |
| 14:43.56 | paulswm | Phated: no shit |
| 14:44.00 | Phated | paulswm: That's a Windows thing, probably something to do with APIs, yadda yadda. It all depends. |
| 14:44.00 | Ronin | abrotman: ahhh, ok then im going back to sleep |
| 14:44.01 | Guerin | Slaytanic: I used one to set my own rig up, and I keep an eye on the other :) |
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| 14:44.18 | batlogg | hi, how can i install a .deb file? apt-get install doesn't work... neither does dpkg -i |
| 14:44.22 | Melior | E: Couldn't find package libstdc++5_3.3.5-6_i386.deb |
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| 14:44.35 | Guerin | Melior: no SHIT |
| 14:44.40 | Guerin | !moron Melior |
| 14:44.41 | dpkg | Melior: You are moron #94 |
| 14:44.43 | Phated | Melior: "package" means something you can locate in apt-cache search. |
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| 14:44.46 | Slaytanic | Guerin: Sorry, used one what, guide? |
| 14:44.47 | paulswm | batlogg: what do you mean by "doesn't work" |
| 14:44.48 | abrotman | mvhurja: i told you more than once not to msg me .. |
| 14:44.48 | Phated | Yeah what Guerin said too. |
| 14:44.54 | Guerin | batlogg: then it's not a .deb file, or you're not running debian |
| 14:44.56 | scarynetworkguy | Yeah cause there are *never* sploits agianst closed source stuff on windows. |
| 14:45.06 | abrotman | mvhurja: and then i helped you anyways .. so knock it off |
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| 14:45.10 | mvhurja | abrotman: dont never say to me somethink like fucking etc.. |
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| 14:45.16 | Guerin | Slaytanic: I used the high5 howto to do mine, and referred extensively to the two at workaround |
| 14:45.23 | Melior | well dont be pissed on me /me just a linux noob... |
| 14:45.23 | abrotman | mvhurja: i'm scared .. i'm going to cry |
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| 14:45.32 | Guerin | mvhurja: fucking what? |
| 14:45.37 | batlogg | Guerin: so i probably need to download it :) probably ftp is the problem |
| 14:45.48 | abrotman | fucking fuckity fuck? |
| 14:45.49 | Guerin | batlogg: apt-get install <packagename> |
| 14:45.53 | Phated | When did abrotman say "fucking" to him? |
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| 14:46.00 | PopNow | my debian starts with X. how do I can change so when it boots up it will start with console? |
| 14:46.01 | abrotman | Phated: he kept msg'ing me |
| 14:46.07 | Phated | abrotman: What a fucking idiot. |
| 14:46.10 | Slaytanic | Guerin: Ok, get it. Looking at it now... |
| 14:46.11 | abrotman | Phated: after i told him in channel and in msg to stop |
| 14:46.14 | Guerin | batlogg: Melior: NOTE that the packagename is not the same as the filename |
| 14:46.17 | scarynetworkguy | Well in that case he fucking deserved it didn't he? |
| 14:46.18 | Phated | abrotman: Yeah what I said. |
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| 14:46.22 | abrotman | Phated: don't tell me .. tell him :) |
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| 14:46.29 | batlogg | Guerin: thanks! |
| 14:46.34 | scarynetworkguy | mvhurja: Fucking fucktard. |
| 14:46.37 | Gustav098 | Does anybody have a running ftp-server where i can download the "pak0.pk3" of quake3 please? (I Have 10Mbit connection) |
| 14:46.42 | Phated | abrotman: But I'm not supposed to say it. And scarynetworkguy did it already. |
| 14:46.47 | abrotman | heh |
| 14:46.47 | Skiver | anyone here experienced in TrueType Fonts settings ??? |
| 14:46.48 | scarynetworkguy | Heh. |
| 14:46.50 | abrotman | i helped him anyways .. |
| 14:46.56 | Guerin | Gustav098: no. |
| 14:46.57 | scarynetworkguy | abrotman: Fool. :) |
| 14:47.01 | abrotman | dunno why he went off after i helped him |
| 14:47.04 | tdfc | isn't there a tcl interpreter in debian ? |
| 14:47.12 | Guerin | tdfc: of course there is. |
| 14:47.20 | tdfc | i tried to find one without success |
| 14:47.21 | abrotman | !tell tdfc about search |
| 14:47.23 | mvhurja | scarynetworkguy: SUCKER MOTHERFUCK! |
| 14:47.37 | tdfc | did find tcl sarge on apt |
| 14:47.39 | FalscherHase | PopNow: boot into runlevel 3 |
| 14:47.40 | Guerin | !mhallsmite mvhurja |
| 14:47.41 | dpkg | Fuck mvhurja. Fuck it in the asshole with a big rubber dick. |
| 14:47.41 | Phated | mvhurja: Yeah, fuck off already. |
| 14:47.51 | paulswm | well that's nice, abrotman helped mvhurja and he responds by getting a stick up his ass about 'fucking' |
| 14:47.51 | grivell | !lart mvhurja |
| 14:47.53 | Phated | tdfc: tkcon - Enhanced interactive console for developing in Tcl... |
| 14:47.54 | scarynetworkguy | Heh. |
| 14:47.59 | Phated | After... ONE apt-cache search? |
| 14:48.13 | scarynetworkguy | But of course. |
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| 14:48.20 | Guerin | FalscherHase: why runlevel 3? |
| 14:48.21 | abrotman | paulswm: it's ok .. he's just stupid apparently .. dunno |
| 14:48.24 | mvhurja | scarynetworkguy: you dont have attidude man |
| 14:48.25 | Melior | well its only finding libstdc++2.10 and 3 and i need 5? |
| 14:48.37 | Guerin | Melior: cat /etc/debian_version |
| 14:48.40 | Phated | mvhurja: Dude. Just... cut it out. |
| 14:48.41 | tdfc | it doesn't provide the basic tcl interpretor though |
| 14:48.42 | abrotman | scarynetworkguy: you can check your attidude at the door!! |
| 14:48.45 | bob2 | mvhurja: stop it |
| 14:48.55 | scarynetworkguy | abrotman: But I like my attitude. |
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| 14:49.02 | Melior | i get 3.0 |
| 14:49.04 | tdfc | Phated - i could flood the channel with tcl packages with /exec -o apt-cache search tcl but then again it would be useless |
| 14:49.05 | abrotman | scarynetworkguy: notice he and i misspelled it |
| 14:49.07 | bob2 | tdfc: in the 'tcl8.4' package |
| 14:49.12 | scarynetworkguy | abrotman: Yeah. |
| 14:49.15 | Phated | tdfc: Sure you could. |
| 14:49.35 | tdfc | bob2 - that's tclsh |
| 14:49.41 | tdfc | perhaps that's it |
| 14:49.46 | Melior | guerin i get 3.0 |
| 14:49.48 | woody0 | I'm having a gtk2 font problem. some characters are displayed as zig zags and stuff |
| 14:49.58 | scarynetworkguy | tdfc: So go to p.d.o search then install what you find? |
| 14:50.03 | abrotman | tdfc: you're telling me if you apt-cache search tcl .. you don't get like a tcl8.4 or soemthing? |
| 14:50.18 | Guerin | Melior: that's debian stable - 5 is not in stable. If you need with, you need to upgrade to testing. |
| 14:50.18 | fish_ | re |
| 14:50.20 | abrotman | !be an install barbie |
| 14:50.21 | dpkg | editing config files by hand is so HARD! |
| 14:50.21 | bob2 | tdfc: yes |
| 14:50.26 | tdfc | abrotman - it does but the package just installs tclsh |
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| 14:50.37 | woody0 | I'm on woody and I've tried changing fonts with .gtkrc-2.0 and compiling latest pango |
| 14:50.38 | abrotman | tdfc: so what are you looking for? header files? |
| 14:50.40 | Phated | And... that isn't an interpreter? |
| 14:50.40 | tdfc | and the program written in tcl i'm trying to use doesn't like it |
| 14:50.45 | Guerin | Melior: but you probably don't have the requisite skills to do that until you've read those documents I pointed you to. |
| 14:50.57 | abrotman | woody0: woody doesn't have gtk2 |
| 14:51.01 | tdfc | no i thought it would be a tcl interpreter like perl or python |
| 14:51.01 | Melior | damn |
| 14:51.03 | abrotman | oh wait .. |
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| 14:51.05 | abrotman | does it |
| 14:51.05 | scarynetworkguy | tdfc: Ahh. So your app is bugged. Fix it. |
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| 14:51.11 | Melior | i just want to run mtavc server :/ |
| 14:51.18 | tdfc | the program is looking for /usr/bin/tcl i doubt that's tclsh |
| 14:51.26 | Melior | fedora 3 i get the same error |
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| 14:51.30 | Guerin | Slaytanic: please don't /msg me. And to answer your question: sanity. |
| 14:51.32 | stelki | Does anybody know an application for making fancy html indexes of 1000+ jpg images? |
| 14:51.37 | tdfc | should bring that over #tcl |
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| 14:51.40 | Phated | tdfc: So it's a Tcl script? |
| 14:51.43 | abrotman | stelki: gallery for one |
| 14:51.58 | woody0 | yep gtk 2.4.14 |
| 14:52.00 | scarynetworkguy | stelki: p.d.o does. |
| 14:52.05 | abrotman | stelki: there are a few others .. not that i can remember them right now .. apt-cache search web gallery |
| 14:52.09 | Guerin | stelki: perl |
| 14:52.11 | stelki | abrotman, scarynetworkguy thanks :> |
| 14:52.13 | bodq | my mouse [psaux] stopped working after 2.4->2.6 upgrade. any ideas? |
| 14:52.20 | Slaytanic | Guerin: MY sanity, or because it's insane to use qmail? :) |
| 14:52.22 | stelki | Guerin, D: |
| 14:52.23 | Phated | I know Konq can do the gallery thing. |
| 14:52.34 | abrotman | Phated: html? |
| 14:52.37 | Guerin | Slaytanic: your sanity will thank you if you choose postfix over qmmail. |
| 14:52.39 | Phated | Dunno, probably. |
| 14:52.41 | abrotman | Phated: as in.. generate HTML? |
| 14:52.42 | scarynetworkguy | stelki: There is a gallery thing but I can't recall it just now. Search for it. |
| 14:52.45 | tdfc | Phated - yes |
| 14:52.51 | bigio | i would like to compile a new kernel for my VIA C3 nehemiah notebook, anyone know where to find a good howto ? |
| 14:52.53 | stelki | scarynetworkguy, yea I'll do that, thanks for your help |
| 14:52.57 | Melior | well can i download a debian with 5 ? |
| 14:52.58 | tdfc | and it doesn't work with tclsh |
| 14:52.59 | scarynetworkguy | abrotman: Yeah I have a buddy who uses it all the time. |
| 14:53.00 | Phated | abrotman: I never checked. I know it input into Konq itself. |
| 14:53.03 | bobesponja | hey yall* |
| 14:53.04 | abrotman | !tell bigio about kp |
| 14:53.07 | Melior | so i only need do install |
| 14:53.09 | Skiver | how does a debian system determine what true type fonts to be used in applications ?! |
| 14:53.13 | abrotman | scarynetworkguy: you mean 'gallery' ? |
| 14:53.15 | Guerin | stelki: libapache-gallery-perl can - but it'd be one hell of a cou hog |
| 14:53.16 | Phated | tdfc: Ehh.. Dunno then. Never scripted Tcl. |
| 14:53.16 | takatumi | igal? |
| 14:53.20 | Guerin | s/cou/cpu/ |
| 14:53.23 | scarynetworkguy | abrotman: Kong to make galleries. |
| 14:53.23 | CASP | morning |
| 14:53.26 | stelki | Guerin, I'll look into it |
| 14:53.31 | bobesponja | I've just installed debian sarge and |
| 14:53.32 | abrotman | scarynetworkguy: oh ok |
| 14:53.33 | woody0 | any ideas about my zig zag characters in gtk2? |
| 14:53.44 | Phated | scarynetworkguy: You need to get off this monster kick of yours... Godzilla, Kong... |
| 14:53.49 | bodq | please disregard my question |
| 14:53.50 | scarynetworkguy | Phated: Heh. |
| 14:53.53 | bobesponja | I would like to configure grub to use 2.6.10, how can I do that? |
| 14:54.05 | batlogg | Guerin: well, now i have the .deb file locally, but apt-get install still doesn't work. how can i get the real name? |
| 14:54.06 | scarynetworkguy | Phated: Yes yes I do. :) |
| 14:54.06 | Slaytanic | Guerin: All right. So you would agree with the subjective characteristics at http://www.geocities.com/mailsoftware42/ , saying that Postfix is secure, reasonably easy to install and easy to configure? |
| 14:54.06 | abrotman | debian doesn't have 2.6.10 |
| 14:54.10 | Guerin | Skiver: debian doesn't. |
| 14:54.14 | abrotman | or last i checked it didn't |
| 14:54.17 | bobesponja | abrotman: I did compile it |
| 14:54.18 | bob2 | abrotman: sid does |
| 14:54.21 | Skiver | Guerin : X does ? |
| 14:54.22 | takatumi | bobesponja: update-grub or manually edit /boot/grub/menu.lst |
| 14:54.22 | abrotman | gotcha |
| 14:54.26 | Guerin | Slaytanic: yeah, absolutely. |
| 14:54.37 | Melior | Guerin can i download a testing with the file i need? |
| 14:54.41 | bobesponja | takatumi: thx |
| 14:54.43 | batlogg | Guerin: oh :) dpkg -i worked! |
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| 14:54.46 | Melior | so i dont have to update |
| 14:54.53 | Guerin | Slaytanic: the only hard thing about postfix is smtp auth via sasl - and that's only because sasl is very poorly documented. |
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| 14:55.36 | Melior | ?? |
| 14:55.37 | Guerin | Melior: Read that documentation; particularly the package management howto (/msg dpkg pkgmgmt) |
| 14:56.02 | Guerin | Skiver: yeah, X does. |
| 14:56.03 | Melior | yoiu told me its to dificult |
| 14:56.13 | Slaytanic | Guerin: I can live without that. :) Thanks for your opinions, I'll seriously consider Exim instead. |
| 14:56.13 | Guerin | Melior: READ IT, FTLOG. |
| 14:56.27 | Slaytanic | Eh, sorry, Postfix! |
| 14:56.34 | Guerin | heh |
| 14:56.42 | Guerin | exim is supposed to be good too; I haven't used it. |
| 14:56.51 | Phated | Exim is OK. |
| 14:56.53 | woody0 | gtk2 zig zag characters? |
| 14:56.54 | Guerin | Skiver: and the toolkit/de also gets a say. |
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| 14:57.06 | Slaytanic | I'm blaming the fact that I'm listening to Neurosis in my phones, it melts my brain like a gargle blaster... |
| 14:57.08 | Guerin | woody0: since woody doesn't have gtk2, I'm not sure what the issue is. |
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| 14:57.27 | woody0 | debian 3.1 |
| 14:57.36 | Phated | Which isn't woody. |
| 14:57.36 | Guerin | woody0: ok, so you're not using woody. |
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| 14:57.37 | Skiver | Guerin : is there a UNIVERSAL file i can set for ALL my applications and ALL users to use the same TTF !? |
| 14:57.44 | Guerin | woody0: dpkg-reconfigure locales |
| 14:57.46 | mvhurja | how i can install from apt-get graphic desktop to debian |
| 14:57.49 | woody0 | gtk 2.4.14 |
| 14:57.49 | Guerin | Skiver: no. |
| 14:57.56 | woody0 | my bad sarge |
| 14:57.57 | Guerin | Skiver: some apps don't even use ttf |
| 14:58.17 | blunt_ | So I'm at a shell what command can I use to tell what version of xfree86 I have? |
| 14:58.24 | woody0 | I'm woody computer is sarge. I get us confused |
| 14:58.38 | Guerin | Skiver: for gtk+, use switch; for gtk2, use switch2; for gnome, use gnome-control-center; for kde, use kcontrol |
| 14:58.43 | Guerin | Skiver: that covers most bases. |
| 14:59.00 | Guerin | woody0: 3.1 == sarge. Nothing confusing about it. |
| 14:59.01 | Slaytanic | Guerin: I'm planning to use Sarge/testing on my hosting machine for a compromise between stability and freshness, does that sound wise to you? |
| 14:59.05 | takatumi | "17:46 woody0 | I'm on woody" |
| 14:59.10 | Phated | woody0: Change yer nick. |
| 14:59.11 | mvhurja | how i can install from apt-get graphic desktop to debian |
| 14:59.15 | mvhurja | heloo |
| 14:59.17 | woody0 | well not all characters are zig zags just some |
| 14:59.22 | Phated | Not him again. |
| 14:59.24 | Melior | guerin if i install X then its easier to update? |
| 14:59.25 | resiak | Phated: Heheh. |
| 14:59.25 | woody0 | and not the same characters every time |
| 14:59.30 | valdyn | !faq mvhurja |
| 14:59.31 | dpkg | mvhurja: http://www.linuks.mine.nu/debian-faq-wiki/ |
| 14:59.34 | Guerin | Slaytanic: only if you watch security mailing lists like a hawk, and are prepared to backport fixes as and when they become available. |
| 14:59.42 | Guerin | Melior: absolutely not. |
| 14:59.49 | mvhurja | apt-get gnome ? |
| 14:59.57 | resiak | mvhurja: Read the fucking FAQ. |
| 14:59.57 | blunt_ | How can I tell which version of xfree86 I run? |
| 15:00.13 | resiak | blunt_: dpkg -l | grep xserver-xfree86 would be one way. |
| 15:00.14 | Melior | well do you know a version witch has that file in it so i cna download iso files? |
| 15:00.15 | mvhurja | my english sux |
| 15:00.18 | Slaytanic | Guerin: So you'd recommend woody if I don't? |
| 15:00.20 | blunt_ | Thanks |
| 15:00.21 | takatumi | blunt_: dpkg -l xserver-xfree86 |
| 15:00.23 | Guerin | Slaytanic: yeah. |
| 15:00.25 | resiak | takatumi: Heh. |
| 15:00.25 | mvhurja | i dont understand so god :) |
| 15:00.27 | Phated | blunt_: X -version |
| 15:00.39 | blunt_ | Thanks a bunch guys |
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| 15:00.45 | takatumi | Phated wins it. |
| 15:00.53 | resiak | !win Phated |
| 15:00.54 | dpkg | Congratulations, Phated! You have won second prize in a beauty contest! |
| 15:00.57 | Melior | only english here? |
| 15:01.08 | resiak | Melior: What's your idiom of choice? |
| 15:01.09 | Guerin | Melior: yes. What would you prefer to speak? |
| 15:01.13 | Phated | Melior: Yes. You don't see us speaking Klingon, do you. |
| 15:01.18 | Melior | dutch? |
| 15:01.21 | Phated | Eh. |
| 15:01.23 | Phated | !dutch |
| 15:01.23 | dpkg | extra, extra, read all about it, dutch is soome straangje laanguaage daat sussudio kjeeps spjeeaaking, or #debian.nl |
| 15:01.23 | resiak | !dutch |
| 15:01.30 | Melior | LOL |
| 15:01.33 | tdfc | i got the tcl solution for those interested: tcl sucks |
| 15:01.36 | Phated | There you go. #debian.nl. Have anice day. |
| 15:01.46 | mvhurja | is here fuqin help!!1 |
| 15:01.51 | tdfc | but the important is that it works.. i guess |
| 15:01.53 | mvhurja | how i can install from apt-get graphic desktop to debian |
| 15:01.56 | resiak | mvhurja: READ THE FAQ!!!11!!ONE!!! |
| 15:02.02 | Melior | empty :/ |
| 15:02.03 | resiak | mvhurja: What's your native language? |
| 15:02.09 | mvhurja | fin |
| 15:02.22 | woody0 | so gtk1 stuff is fine but gtk2 has some characters zig zags but not all and not the same characters every time |
| 15:02.25 | Phated | Why can't they just be like... German or French or something. |
| 15:02.32 | sussudio | !doe Melior |
| 15:02.37 | resiak | !fi |
| 15:02.37 | dpkg | i guess fi is Finland |
| 15:02.39 | Guerin | Phated: kçgënhsgw bbraĉ drøbgærp¿ |
| 15:02.39 | resiak | Oh well. |
| 15:02.50 | mvhurja | dpkg: u re right |
| 15:02.50 | dpkg | parse error: dunno what the heck you're talking about, mvhurja |
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| 15:02.50 | resiak | mvhurja: apt-get install x-window-system gnome gdm |
| 15:02.51 | Melior | tss |
| 15:02.54 | Phated | !phatedsmite Guerin |
| 15:02.57 | Skiver | Guerin : when using a browser, browsing a chinese or japanese page for example, what decides the fonts to be used ?? |
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| 15:03.00 | resiak | mvhurja: (as root) |
| 15:03.06 | mvhurja | resiak: thanks youuu |
| 15:03.07 | mvhurja | :) |
| 15:03.23 | Phated | resiak: gnome-desktop-environment, for the love of god. You have any idea how much apt-get install gnome does? |
| 15:03.26 | Guerin | Skiver: the browser, and the locale in which the page is written. |
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| 15:03.35 | woody0 | any ideas? I've been working on this for a while now |
| 15:03.37 | resiak | Phated: I don't want him coming back asking where the missing bits are :p |
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| 15:03.52 | mvhurja | is gnome best graphical desktop for debian ? |
| 15:03.54 | mikael_ | helllo |
| 15:03.56 | Phated | resiak: Oh, right. You win. :) |
| 15:03.58 | Guerin | mvhurja: no. |
| 15:04.00 | scarynetworkguy | !best |
| 15:04.00 | dpkg | best for what? please define what you mean by "best" Gloria Gaynor! Tina Turner! Aretha Franklin! Men without Hats! Women without Hats! Men at Work! Women at Play! Anyone for Tennis! |
| 15:04.02 | resiak | mvhurja: That depends on your taste. |
| 15:04.05 | mvhurja | what you prefer ? |
| 15:04.06 | Phated | mvhurja: Yes it is, shoo. |
| 15:04.06 | mikael_ | I would like to know what irq my soundcard uses !!! |
| 15:04.06 | paulswm | mvhurja: depends who you ask |
| 15:04.22 | resiak | mvhurja: In my opinion, yes. However, I don't use it. It's _pure_ opinion. |
| 15:04.37 | Guerin | mikael_: cat /proc/interrupts #iirc |
| 15:04.39 | FalscherHase | mikael_: cat /proc/interrupts |
| 15:04.47 | mvhurja | ok |
| 15:04.48 | woody0 | anyone anyone? buler? |
| 15:05.08 | Guerin | 23:54:57 < Guerin> woody0: dpkg-reconfigure locales |
| 15:05.13 | Phated | !win resiak |
| 15:05.14 | dpkg | Congratulations, resiak! You have won a lifetime supply of spam! |
| 15:05.28 | mikael_ | Guerin FalscherHase thank you |
| 15:05.30 | Guerin | resiak: another one to add to the collection |
| 15:05.30 | woody0 | will that work it some characters are displaying ok? |
| 15:05.42 | Guerin | woody0: suck it and see |
| 15:05.52 | woody0 | like in one work some are zig zag and some are ok? |
| 15:05.54 | Phated | We need a !sing suck it and see. |
| 15:06.00 | woody0 | so you don't know? |
| 15:06.04 | Guerin | Phated: have to ask asg |
| 15:06.08 | Phated | woody0: Just. Do. It. |
| 15:06.12 | woody0 | it's ok to admit it |
| 15:06.16 | Guerin | but greycat fucked up all the !sing factoids |
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| 15:06.21 | Phated | Hm. |
| 15:06.21 | resiak | Guerin: Well, let's unfuck them. |
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| 15:06.33 | Phated | !lose grivell for fucking up all the !sing factoids |
| 15:06.33 | dpkg | grivell for fucking up all the !sing factoids: You Lose. |
| 15:06.36 | Phated | Ooops... |
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| 15:06.42 | Phated | Shorry, grivell... |
| 15:06.44 | sussudio | !listauth grivell |
| 15:06.45 | dpkg | factoid author list by 'grivell' (1 shown): corrections or grivell. |
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| 15:06.50 | resiak | !lose Phated for being tab-happy. |
| 15:06.50 | dpkg | Phated for being tab-happy.: You Lose. |
| 15:06.52 | Guerin | woody0: since you've been extremely vague about what your problem is, it's less that I don't know, and more that i CAN'T know |
| 15:07.21 | sussudio | wtf. |
| 15:07.31 | Phated | Guerin: Just say you don't know. It'll get him off your back. |
| 15:07.32 | Guerin | dpkg, forget cmd: sing (.*?) |
| 15:07.32 | dpkg | Guerin: i forgot CMD: sing (.*?) |
| 15:07.37 | resiak | !sing Guerin |
| 15:07.38 | Guerin | !sing sarge |
| 15:07.38 | dpkg | Any day now, any daaay nooww, I shall beee reeleeeassed... |
| 15:07.43 | Guerin | hurrah |
| 15:07.44 | sussudio | !sing Penix |
| 15:07.45 | dpkg | Penix, Penix, Penix the bush kangarooooo... Penix, Penix, Penix does smell toooo.... |
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| 15:07.55 | Phated | Woo. |
| 15:07.58 | Phated | Go Guerin go. |
| 15:08.01 | mikael_ | Guerin FalscherHase and do you know what acpi_irq_isa=7 means ? |
| 15:08.04 | scarynetworkguy | Heh. |
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| 15:08.10 | Skiver | Guerin : what about programs like Gaim, what determines the font for secondary language ?? |
| 15:08.13 | sussudio | !sing bob2 |
| 15:08.13 | dpkg | dpkg dpkg dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xfree86, sing it again! |
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| 15:08.41 | scarynetworkguy | Skiver: I bet the docs could tell you better than someone who doesn't use said app. |
| 15:08.41 | Guerin | Skiver: secondary language? |
| 15:08.49 | Phated | Hm I do seem to have Chinese on my Gaim, but no idea how it got there. |
| 15:08.51 | FalscherHase | mikael_: sorry, no |
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| 15:09.17 | mikael_ | FalscherHase in grub...but thanx |
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| 15:09.46 | Skiver | Guerin : yea, let's say someone sent a msg in gaim, mixture of english and chinese |
| 15:09.59 | Guerin | Skiver: it all has to be displayed in one locale |
| 15:10.03 | Phated | scarynetworkguy: I don't recall installing Chinese fonts, my system better not be automagically installing packages. |
| 15:10.09 | Guerin | Skiver: which is why unicode owns all things |
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| 15:10.32 | scarynetworkguy | Phated: Yeah that would suck and I had a hard time making Korean work back when I cared about such things. |
| 15:10.35 | Guerin | and many fonts have cjk characters in their unicode locale |
| 15:10.38 | Slaytanic | Guerin: If I go for Postfix I'll ditch djbdns, what DNS server would you suggest then? I'd prefer not to use bind, if possible. |
| 15:10.44 | Phated | scarynetworkguy: True. |
| 15:10.44 | scarynetworkguy | *shrug* |
| 15:10.48 | scarynetworkguy | Phated: Yeah. |
| 15:10.55 | asuffield | unless you want to mix chinese and japanese, in which case unicode leaves you fucked |
| 15:10.58 | Guerin | Slaytanic: if not bind, I hear dnsmasq is good, but I use bind9 |
| 15:11.04 | Skiver | Guerin : i understand about utf-8, and i can input english and chinese in english locale |
| 15:11.11 | Guerin | asuffield: is that right... |
| 15:11.21 | Skiver | Guerin : i just don't understand why are the fonts not synchronized |
| 15:11.25 | asuffield | Guerin: some idiot put *all* the CJK languages in the same spaces |
| 15:11.32 | Guerin | asuffield: gah |
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| 15:11.43 | Guerin | asuffield: I sense a new unicode on the horison |
| 15:11.50 | Guerin | s/s/z/ |
| 15:11.56 | asuffield | could take years |
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| 15:12.15 | denisbr | How to install Scanner 3200C HP |
| 15:12.16 | bob2 | wish I could recharge my laptop battery by plugging it in directly |
| 15:12.28 | Guerin | yeah. By then HP-UX will have utf-8 and it'll be obsolete :) |
| 15:12.42 | asuffield | bob2: lithium batteries require complex circuitry to charge them |
| 15:12.46 | Slaytanic | Guerin: I'm using dnsmasq on my firewall at home, and I'm quite happy with it. But AFAIK it's only a DNS proxy and not a real DNS server... |
| 15:13.06 | Guerin | Slaytanic: I don't know it, sorry. |
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| 15:13.19 | bob2 | asuffield: hrm, and that's generally in the laptop, not the battery? |
| 15:13.41 | asuffield | bob2: yeah. since the batteries have to be replaceable and the circuitry is not cheap |
| 15:14.00 | bob2 | asuffield: ah |
| 15:15.32 | asuffield | (unfortunately, while in other respects a lithium battery is more convinient than all the other kinds, you can't charge it by just stuffing a current through it in the reverse direction like you can with all the others) |
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| 15:17.39 | bob2 | asuffield: does that charging circuitry handle things like leaving-the-laptop-plugged-infor-extended-periods-of-time? |
| 15:17.54 | asuffield | bob2: no |
| 15:18.06 | bob2 | suck |
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| 15:18.54 | Guerin | so the current is always running through the battery, when it's on? |
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| 15:19.10 | asuffield | nothing can run through a fully charged lithium battery. it has infinite resistance in the reverse direction |
| 15:19.17 | Guerin | aha |
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| 15:19.31 | bob2 | so there's no problem with just leaving it plugged inall the time? |
| 15:19.57 | sussudio | in soviet russia, batteries replace you |
| 15:20.01 | asuffield | bob2: well, not directly. but leaving it *full* of charge, while not using it for extended periods, reduces the lifespan considerably |
| 15:20.02 | Guerin | debating, because it's going to cost more than the laptop is probably worth |
| 15:20.04 | bob2 | Guerin: buy one of those 400g vaio's instead |
| 15:20.16 | asuffield | and keeping it warm during this time (because it's stuffed into a hot laptop) reduces it still further |
| 15:20.17 | Guerin | bob2: eew, sony |
| 15:20.21 | bob2 | well, true |
| 15:20.32 | FlopsyPete | denisbr: you begin with the package 'sane'. check on their site if your scanner is supported |
| 15:20.36 | asuffield | if the battery isn't going to be used then it really should be discharged to approximately 40% and kept in the fridge |
| 15:20.41 | bob2 | asuffield: for that particular charge or of the battery itself? |
| 15:20.48 | asuffield | bob2: the battery |
| 15:20.51 | Koffa | anyone built computers to cars?-) |
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| 15:21.08 | denisbr | FlopsyPete, ok, thanks |
| 15:21.14 | asuffield | lithiums have a shelf life of a few years. this is reduced by spending time charged above 40% or above temperatures of about 15 degrees |
| 15:21.15 | Koffa | I'd like to setup something, but all of the manufacturers say operating temperatures must be above 0°C |
| 15:22.03 | Guerin | Koffa: that's sane. |
| 15:22.09 | asuffield | (it's also reduced by every complete charge cycle, but that's not such a big deal) |
| 15:22.21 | FlopsyPete | denisbr: once you've connected it, try running 'sane-find-scanner' to see if its recognised |
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| 15:23.04 | FlopsyPete | denisbr: here's a guide to setting up scanners with Debian: http://thegoldenear.org/toolbox/unices/scanning.html |
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| 15:24.18 | denisbr | FlopsyPete, thanks |
| 15:24.38 | Guerin | my batter died a couple years ago |
| 15:25.02 | takatumi | made a bad cake? :) |
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| 15:25.22 | Koffa | Guerin: sane, but makes my project impossible :) |
| 15:25.59 | bob2 | this machine is too light without the battery |
| 15:26.04 | Koffa | some freeze guard + dock could be a solution |
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| 15:26.39 | Guerin | takatumi: ha |
| 15:27.18 | Guerin | Koffa: use an athlon and insulate it well :) |
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| 15:29.16 | takatumi | resiak: asuffield is usually sarcastic. |
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| 15:29.36 | resiak | takatumi: resiak is usually not serious :) |
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| 15:30.12 | fgh_ | hi |
| 15:30.13 | resiak | Although it's a tempting idea, for humour's sake alone. |
| 15:30.14 | Guerin | that may be true, but this is true re: Li-Ion batteries |
| 15:30.22 | tarzeau | someone join www.mtp-target.org ? |
| 15:30.24 | fgh_ | where is the kde-headers located in sid? |
| 15:30.33 | tarzeau | fgh_: dpkg -L somepackage ? |
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| 15:30.51 | bob2 | fgh_: try #debian-kde |
| 15:30.58 | Guerin | http://www.batteryuniversity.com/parttwo-34.htm |
| 15:31.00 | Koffa | Guerin: you mean 24/7 operations? great idea, I'll just fill the rest of the car with batteries :D |
| 15:31.15 | Guerin | Koffa: hrm, there's a point. |
| 15:31.25 | Phated | Build it out of batteries! |
| 15:31.39 | tarzeau | batteries? |
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| 15:31.53 | Phated | Yes, batteries. |
| 15:32.08 | Koffa | some small freeze guard (good luck finding one) and a voltage monitor/cutoff would be nice... |
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| 15:32.29 | scarynetworkguy | Yeah batteries. |
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| 15:33.36 | GlitchMaster | Alright, this is a serious emergency. My mother can't pay her insurance (via online) because Mozilla and all browsers are bitching about me not having PSM installed, and I don't know how to install it. This is the last day that she can pay her insurance. |
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| 15:33.54 | abrotman | !psm |
| 15:33.54 | dpkg | hmm... psm is Personal Security Manager for Mozilla, at http://docs.iplanet.com/docs/manuals/psm/psm-mozilla/index.html. You don't need to restart mozilla as noted on that URL. It also consumes 100% CPU unfortunately... lame piece of software. no longer works as of mozilla 0.7, or needed for viewing of some login sites, i.e. yahoo. install by apt-get install mozilla-psm |
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| 15:34.39 | bob2 | you don't need that for modern mozilla |
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| 15:35.51 | guestish | hi |
| 15:36.32 | b1t_ph3wl | just downloaded debian for sparc for my sun ulta 10 but my monitor is not capable of displaying a res above 1024x786-60. when i press enter to install the screen must go above this default is there a way to push it into text mode or lower the res at the "boot:" prompt ..... any suggestions will be welcome as i am really stuck |
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| 15:36.39 | menkio | holy shit ! |
| 15:36.43 | menkio | anyone watching this |
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| 15:36.53 | Phated | Define "this". |
| 15:36.53 | menkio | turn on the tv, any news channel ! |
| 15:37.00 | |rufius| | ? |
| 15:37.02 | Phated | Shit, no. What's going on? |
| 15:37.03 | spdf | What?! |
| 15:37.04 | menkio | dood,.. britney spears was gunned down |
| 15:37.06 | menkio | by a fan |
| 15:37.08 | menkio | shot 9 times |
| 15:37.10 | Phated | Awesome. |
| 15:37.11 | billyoc | menkio: stfu |
| 15:37.11 | spdf | wtf |
| 15:37.14 | menkio | turn on the tv |
| 15:37.20 | menkio | its on every channel |
| 15:37.21 | Koffa | :D |
| 15:37.24 | justdust | I have a question about exim4-config... mail by smarthost; no local mail, what's that about ? |
| 15:37.24 | spdf | Is she still alive? |
| 15:37.28 | menkio | nope |
| 15:37.30 | Phated | Hopefully not. |
| 15:37.31 | billyoc | menkio: no, it isn't, you are a lying troll. |
| 15:37.33 | menkio | they have the girl in a car |
| 15:37.34 | spdf | You a god damn liar |
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| 15:37.40 | menkio | turn on the news ~ |
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| 15:37.43 | menkio | any channel |
| 15:37.46 | b1t_ph3wl | anyone help me out with confiuring debian on boot up |
| 15:37.52 | Koffa | don't get our hopes up |
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| 15:38.01 | nirz | hello |
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| 15:38.05 | Phated | Yeah, seriously. Take it to #news or something. |
| 15:38.09 | menkio | hahaha |
| 15:38.11 | paulswm | menkio: nothing on CNN |
| 15:38.17 | billyoc | troll |
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| 15:38.19 | Kraig | Moin. |
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| 15:38.22 | b1t_ph3wl | just downloaded debian for sparc for my sun ulta 10 but my monitor is not capable of displaying a res above 1024x786-60. when i press enter to install the screen must go above this default is there a way to push it into text mode or lower the res at the "boot:" prompt ..... any suggestions will be welcome as i am really stuck |
| 15:38.25 | GlitchMaster | THANK YOU. |
| 15:38.35 | nirz | Is there a new installer for Debian ? |
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| 15:38.40 | bob2 | nirz: yes |
| 15:38.46 | bob2 | b1t_ph3wl: try #sparc or #debian-sparc |
| 15:38.51 | nirz | where i can get it ? |
| 15:38.53 | caphuso | newer than b-f or newer than d-i? |
| 15:38.58 | b1t_ph3wl | cool ty |
| 15:38.58 | bob2 | nirz: /msg dpkg d-i |
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| 15:39.04 | Phated | Nothing wrong with b-f. |
| 15:39.36 | justdust | how should I configure exim4-config ? |
| 15:39.48 | caphuso | justdust: dpkg-reconfigure exim4-config |
| 15:39.50 | guestish | justdust: i think it gives some presets |
| 15:39.51 | spdf | justdust, , How would you like it configured? |
| 15:39.59 | Kraig | 5 |
| 15:40.26 | Auze | hi |
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| 15:40.40 | Auze | ya des francais ? |
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| 15:40.52 | Kraig | !fr |
| 15:40.52 | dpkg | Les personnes qui parlent francais et qui ont besoin d'une aide a propos de Debian peuvent venir sur #debian-fr - People speaking french and in need of support for debian, please join #debian-fr |
| 15:41.28 | nirz | i can d/l only sarge-i386-1.iso and get the Rest from the net ? |
| 15:41.35 | bob2 | yes |
| 15:41.37 | guestish | nirz: yup |
| 15:41.42 | maurizio | on woody a "new" user can't ssh to localhost while root or an "old" user can. Any hint please? |
| 15:41.42 | justdust | I'd like to know the difference between stmp + fetchmail and no local mail... |
| 15:41.48 | guestish | nirz: you get it from a debian mirror |
| 15:41.55 | EvilIdler | Get the smallest ISO you can find, in my opinion |
| 15:41.58 | nirz | kewl.. i'm now with slackware .. iv got serius dependcy probloms |
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| 15:42.30 | guestish | meh, i'd go with the official images |
| 15:42.39 | bob2 | "when you're around, you just get me down, I'm better off without you" |
| 15:42.42 | nirz | btw .. debian comes with Adsl script ? |
| 15:42.43 | bob2 | wise words for a new generation |
| 15:42.48 | bob2 | nirz: yes |
| 15:42.58 | nirz | thanks |
| 15:43.00 | nirz | :) |
| 15:43.13 | misfitx7 | is there an amd64 version of debian |
| 15:43.26 | bob2 | misfitx7: www.debian.org/ports/amd64/ |
| 15:43.27 | guestish | misfitx7:#debian-amd64 |
| 15:43.34 | misfitx7 | sweet |
| 15:43.41 | Kraig | dude |
| 15:43.47 | misfitx7 | sweet |
| 15:43.49 | bob2 | hm, wish I had a hamburger |
| 15:43.53 | bob2 | or a hotdog |
| 15:43.53 | EvilIdler | I'm running Debian-AMD64. It's nice. |
| 15:43.54 | Kraig | lol |
| 15:43.57 | Phated | !hamburger bob2 |
| 15:43.57 | guestish | heh... |
| 15:43.58 | nirz | after i'll install debian |
| 15:44.04 | Spg | im never going to get pretty bootsplash to work am I? |
| 15:44.05 | Phated | bob2: Sorry, guess not. :) |
| 15:44.07 | nirz | how i can get gnome 2.8 ? |
| 15:44.10 | misfitx7 | any performance gains? |
| 15:44.13 | Phated | Spg: No, you're not. |
| 15:44.14 | resiak | nirz: Use Sarge. |
| 15:44.26 | scarynetworkguy | Spg: Just give up. |
| 15:44.29 | bob2 | Phated: ah well |
| 15:44.38 | Spg | ok. |
| 15:44.48 | nirz | gnome included with Sarge ? |
| 15:44.52 | Guerin | bob2: fun fact: korean kids always spell "hot dog" as "hat dag" because of american pronunciation |
| 15:44.54 | guestish | it can be |
| 15:44.57 | guestish | i think |
| 15:44.58 | EvilIdler | I wouldn't know about performance gains, since I've never run 32-bit on this ;) |
| 15:45.01 | bob2 | nirz: it's avaiable on sarge |
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| 15:45.05 | guestish | aptitude lets you select anything you want |
| 15:45.09 | bob2 | Guerin: hah |
| 15:45.18 | Phated | Guerin: That -is- fun. |
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| 15:45.50 | scarynetworkguy | Guerin: Puck you! |
| 15:45.54 | jlj | does anyone know if there are any recent debian packages of fluxbox for stable or testing? the ones included seems to be about 2 years old |
| 15:45.57 | justdust | so, now I have a Debian base system running, to install gnome without a whole bunch of junk I apt-get the gnome-base package, right ? |
| 15:46.11 | Guerin | scarynetworkguy: shadamouse |
| 15:46.15 | guestish | justdust: yup |
| 15:46.20 | justdust | thx |
| 15:46.21 | guestish | justdust: you got it |
| 15:46.23 | scarynetworkguy | Guerin: heh. |
| 15:46.30 | Phated | Wot's a gooma? |
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| 15:46.59 | guestish | who knows |
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| 15:47.25 | Phated | Well scarynetworkguy should. |
| 15:47.30 | bob2 | a doona is the ultimate sleeping accessory |
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| 15:47.40 | Phated | But what's a gooma? |
| 15:47.45 | guestish | gooma, not a doona |
| 15:47.57 | justdust | !tell me about gooma |
| 15:48.02 | guestish | !gooma |
| 15:48.06 | guestish | nope |
| 15:48.14 | Kraig | .dict gooma |
| 15:48.33 | justdust | !tell me about exim4-config |
| 15:48.42 | Phated | justdust: /msg dpkg, thank you. |
| 15:48.45 | scarynetworkguy | Phated: A Korean kid in pre-school. :D |
| 15:49.03 | Phated | scarynetworkguy: Whose name is gooma. |
| 15:49.09 | justdust | Phated, srry |
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| 15:49.33 | scarynetworkguy | No that's (more or less) the Korean word for such a child. Like pre schooler in English. |
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| 15:49.48 | guestish | sounds goofy in english |
| 15:49.53 | Phated | Ohhhh. Thankfully no one's actually called that. |
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| 15:50.06 | scarynetworkguy | NO no they aren't. |
| 15:50.10 | maurizio | try again... strace ssh localhost shows (among other things) open("/dev/tty", O_RDWR|O_LARGEFILE) = -1 EACCES (Permission denied) and user can't ssh to localhost... |
| 15:50.17 | Phated | What exactly is "pre" school, anyway? It's like... It's a school -anyway-. |
| 15:50.29 | scarynetworkguy | They will run up to you in the street and yell Mi-gook (America) and puck you. |
| 15:50.44 | bob2 | crw-rw-rw- 1 root tty 5, 0 2005-01-17 01:57 /dev/tty |
| 15:50.49 | bob2 | maurizio: that's what mine looks like |
| 15:50.50 | scarynetworkguy | Phated: Before first grade. Or under about 6 in Korea. |
| 15:50.58 | Phated | It's still a -school-. |
| 15:51.03 | guestish | its daycare |
| 15:51.07 | Phated | Makes no bloody sense to call it a "pre" school. |
| 15:51.11 | guestish | its not officially a school |
| 15:51.16 | scarynetworkguy | No it doesn't. |
| 15:51.20 | Phated | You go there, you learn things, you sleep. Sounds like school to me. |
| 15:51.27 | guestish | lol |
| 15:52.22 | |rufius| | pre-school and highschool aren't much different... i know :) |
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| 15:52.45 | Phated | So do I. Screaming brats all round, and the crayons are ALWAYS broken. |
| 15:52.53 | bob2 | you don't have pre-school in singapore? |
| 15:52.55 | |rufius| | that pissed me off |
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| 15:53.10 | Phated | bob2: No, I'm being annoyingly semi-pedantic. |
| 15:53.13 | |rufius| | kid broke my crayons once....i beat his ass into the ground next to the swing set |
| 15:53.27 | bob2 | Phated: say it aint so! |
| 15:53.29 | Phated | I dunno, I never did like the crayons anyway. |
| 15:53.37 | Phated | bob2: It ain't so. But I'm lying. |
| 15:53.39 | asuffield | Phated: you're not supposed to eat them |
| 15:53.42 | scarynetworkguy | Both sound a lot like work. |
| 15:53.52 | justdust | is there anyone using debian on a compaq armada wit ess audio ? |
| 15:54.03 | scarynetworkguy | Or at least the areas where the Java devs sit. |
| 15:54.04 | Phated | asuffield: Yeah, so I learnt. |
| 15:54.05 | maurizio | bob2: thanks very much. That solved it. Don't know ho my /dev/tty had the permissions it had though... |
| 15:54.06 | abrotman | ess1371 |
| 15:54.10 | abrotman | linux-laptop.net |
| 15:54.19 | justdust | abrotman, thx |
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| 15:57.28 | Phated | Random dancing. Sunday night is truly here. |
| 15:57.40 | |rufius| | yikes |
| 15:57.54 | scarynetworkguy | May god have mercy on all our souls. |
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| 15:58.13 | asuffield | why should she? |
| 15:58.20 | Phated | Yeha well it's supposed to be over in three minutes and would be if not for you non GMT+8 fuckers. |
| 15:58.29 | Kraig | yeah, "she" sounds more like it |
| 15:58.41 | scarynetworkguy | Phated: We do in fact suck. |
| 15:59.00 | Phated | :) |
| 15:59.08 | scarynetworkguy | :) |
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| 15:59.28 | tirkal | Phated: "random dancing"? |
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| 15:59.45 | Phated | tirkal: Yes, or did you not see 23:56 * | Kraig dances with Ayreon |
| 15:59.49 | Phated | That. |
| 15:59.51 | toresbe | What's a good torrent client for mac? |
| 16:00.03 | RedLob | toresbe: tomato or azaureus |
| 16:00.12 | scarynetworkguy | toresbe: A Debian install disk. Best thing that ever happended to a Mac. |
| 16:00.12 | Kraig | yuk! |
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| 16:00.55 | guestish | tomato...lol |
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| 16:01.15 | Phated | It's hardly worse than Pornview. |
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| 16:01.23 | asuffield | actually pornview isn't a bad application |
| 16:01.28 | scarynetworkguy | Worst name ever. |
| 16:01.32 | *** part/#debian nome (daniele@host161-122.pool8254.interbusiness.it) |
| 16:01.33 | guestish | isnt pornview just a eog hack? |
| 16:01.40 | scarynetworkguy | asuffield: No it's a damn good app. Just a bad name. |
| 16:01.43 | Phated | It's a great app. |
| 16:01.46 | ribnitz | Can you recommend an application that can do a copy of a dvd? |
| 16:01.48 | Phated | But a terrible nam. |
| 16:01.53 | Phated | name. |
| 16:02.03 | toresbe | okay, thanks |
| 16:02.05 | guestish | heh |
| 16:02.09 | asuffield | guestish: given that it's pure gtk, no |
| 16:02.14 | guestish | asuffield: oh, ok |
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| 16:02.22 | guestish | asuffield: interface looks kinda similar |
| 16:02.31 | asuffield | every image browser looks kinda similar |
| 16:02.32 | Phated | EOG is icky. |
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| 16:02.33 | FalscherHase | "unattended presentation of images for hands-free viewing". it deserves its name |
| 16:02.44 | scarynetworkguy | !tell Auze about away |
| 16:02.45 | guestish | ribnitz: for backup purposes dvd:rip works well :) |
| 16:02.56 | ribnitz | guestish: packahed? |
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| 16:03.04 | guestish | ribnitz: ? |
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| 16:03.29 | scarynetworkguy | Why am I not surprised? |
| 16:03.29 | Phated | So very appropriate. :) |
| 16:03.29 | RedLob | where can i get a decent slrnrc file to start with? |
| 16:03.32 | scarynetworkguy | Heh. |
| 16:03.40 | asuffield | Phated: get your mind out of the gutter |
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| 16:03.41 | Phated | slrn? |
| 16:03.47 | Phated | asuffield: What gutter? :) |
| 16:03.54 | Guerin | not ALL manga is tentacle porn, Phated |
| 16:04.01 | Phated | Sorry, s/:)/^_^/ |
| 16:04.04 | Kraig | NOT all? |
| 16:04.06 | Kraig | damn... |
| 16:04.07 | Phated | Since we're talking anime. |
| 16:04.08 | toby | does anybody know the keyword for the apt bot to spit out nvidia dri stuff? |
| 16:04.09 | ribnitz | asuffield: might be called like that because at the start it was usef for the sexually more explicit stuff.. |
| 16:04.12 | bob2 | now I have an image of asuffield watching Night Of The Overfiend |
| 16:04.13 | Phated | Argh, MANGA. |
| 16:04.16 | scarynetworkguy | Heh. |
| 16:04.18 | bob2 | that scared me in so many ways |
| 16:04.24 | asuffield | Guerin: Phated's more likely to be reading yaoi stuff |
| 16:04.27 | Phated | Night of the Overfiend? |
| 16:04.31 | Guerin | heh |
| 16:04.33 | Phated | asuffield: Reading what stuff? |
| 16:04.41 | Phated | Not the overfiend we love and fear? |
| 16:04.49 | asuffield | urotsukidoji. it's crap |
| 16:04.52 | Phated | OK now asuffield watching that is -really- disturbing. :) |
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| 16:04.56 | bob2 | Phated: guess which tentacle porn move he got his nick from? |
| 16:04.57 | asuffield | and yes, that's where Overfiend got the name |
| 16:04.58 | Phated | asuffield: Dunno. |
| 16:05.00 | Guerin | Phated: you'll probably not be able to rent Night of Overfiend in your police state |
| 16:05.00 | bob2 | er, "movie" |
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| 16:05.13 | [newbie] | Hi |
| 16:05.14 | Phated | Ahh, so it's where he got the name, not where the movie got the name. |
| 16:05.21 | Phated | One has to be grateful for small miracles. |
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| 16:05.30 | ribnitz | Where would I get libdvdcss2 from? |
| 16:05.33 | joujou | any of you guys from the USA? |
| 16:05.41 | Phated | Nope. |
| 16:05.45 | Guerin | joujou: thanks goodness, no. |
| 16:05.46 | bbhill | I am. Washington DC USA |
| 16:05.51 | DaCa | joujou: they are banned here |
| 16:05.54 | bob2 | ribnitz: marillat.free.fr |
| 16:05.55 | guestish | i am from the moon |
| 16:05.55 | Phated | We wish. |
| 16:06.05 | [newbie] | I have a debian connected to internet with a router |
| 16:06.05 | joujou | why do people call bush "dubya"? (serious question) |
| 16:06.09 | ribnitz | bob2: thanks |
| 16:06.12 | Guerin | joujou: W |
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| 16:06.15 | bbhill | joujou: because his middle initial is W |
| 16:06.19 | bbhill | double-yoo |
| 16:06.21 | Phated | Guerin: Well bugger. You'll just have to FedEx it along with Bunneh. |
| 16:06.25 | bbhill | dubya is how rednecks (like him) say it. |
| 16:06.41 | Guerin | Phated: don't hold out for bunneh. He's coming with us. |
| 16:06.48 | Phated | Guerin: Pwease? :) |
| 16:06.48 | joujou | kool i see i thought it had something to do with debian (I KID I KID) |
| 16:06.48 | scarynetworkguy | Cool. |
| 16:06.54 | Phated | I want teh bunneh. |
| 16:06.55 | Guerin | Phated: nwo. |
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| 16:07.04 | bbhill | is that a triumph the insult comic dog reference? |
| 16:07.12 | [newbie] | I can't get a ping with myself. ping 127.0.0.1 is not running |
| 16:07.14 | Phated | Guerin: Oh bah to you. |
| 16:07.36 | [newbie] | and ping to my router not respon |
| 16:07.40 | Phated | [newbie]: Change the nick, please, the punctuation is annoying. |
| 16:07.49 | bob2 | [newbie]: did you setup some sort of "firewall"? |
| 16:07.53 | Netcraft | bye |
| 16:08.14 | prahal | joujou: dya ia was removed from debian, not supported upstream |
| 16:08.22 | [newbie] | no I haven't a firewall |
| 16:08.31 | Guerin | hah |
| 16:08.40 | Guerin | we're NOWHERE NEAR an airport |
| 16:08.41 | [newbie] | yesterday it works |
| 16:08.46 | scarynetworkguy | Likely it would take longer than a hour. |
| 16:08.49 | Phated | Sure, right before the sushi and right after landing. :) |
| 16:08.50 | Guerin | it'd be an overland run across icy terrain |
| 16:08.59 | Phated | DO IT DO IT DO IT |
| 16:09.00 | *** part/#debian RedLob (~RedLob@macfarm.xs4all.nl) |
| 16:09.09 | ribnitz | Am I a bad illegal hacker if I use decss to descramle moviez? |
| 16:09.10 | scarynetworkguy | I'll do my very best. :) |
| 16:09.17 | bob2 | ribnitz: only in the US |
| 16:09.20 | Phated | ribnitz: Sure you are. Oh well. |
| 16:09.28 | bob2 | and .au, because my government is fucked |
| 16:09.35 | Phated | ribnitz: And... for using "moviez". :| |
| 16:09.39 | Guerin | ribnitz: No, you're someone exercising the rights of the decss authors to free speech. |
| 16:09.39 | scarynetworkguy | Hell I still know a couple Apache pilots I could hitch a ride with them. |
| 16:09.39 | prahal | [newbie]: ifconfig lo returns nothing ? then ifup lo |
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| 16:09.55 | Phated | Ooooh Apache pilots. |
| 16:09.59 | asuffield | decss sucks anyway, libdvdcss is much better |
| 16:10.08 | [newbie] | ifconfig returns 127.0.0.1 and 192.168.1.243 |
| 16:10.11 | Guerin | scarynetworkguy: if you arrived here, I'd ply you with whisky and korean food, and you'd miss your flight... |
| 16:10.15 | ribnitz | Phated: makes me less lovable. But with my name i hardly stand any chance of being accepted by community. |
| 16:10.17 | scarynetworkguy | Yeah. I bet they could talk Guerin into handing Bunneh over. |
| 16:10.28 | [newbie] | but i can't ping with them |
| 16:10.30 | Phated | Guerin: The Apache pilots can fly him down. :) |
| 16:10.34 | scarynetworkguy | Guerin: Nah I'd stay strong. I got Curry Puffs waiting for me. :) |
| 16:10.38 | Phated | ribnitz: I dunno, the name's OK. |
| 16:10.39 | Guerin | hah |
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| 16:10.48 | Phated | Guerin: Hey these are -good- currypuffs. |
| 16:10.52 | guestish | ribnitz: sure, thats why you use transcode instead :) |
| 16:11.00 | scarynetworkguy | *drooooooooooooooooool* |
| 16:11.04 | Phated | :) |
| 16:11.09 | scarynetworkguy | :) |
| 16:11.22 | bob2 | I had excellent currypuffs at changi for breakfast one day |
| 16:11.37 | guestish | mmm...currypuffs....makes me hungry |
| 16:11.53 | bob2 | bleh, I ate all the samosas from the freezer |
| 16:12.03 | prahal | [newbie]: weel you swear under debian law that yu have no firewall runnnig ? |
| 16:12.12 | scarynetworkguy | Heh. |
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| 16:12.24 | Phated | bob2: From where? |
| 16:12.47 | scarynetworkguy | The shop that's closed after I show up. Damn NWA to hell. |
| 16:13.06 | bob2 | Phated: the airport. all that was open was "hyper juice" (or someting), mcdonalds and a place that had currypuffs |
| 16:13.18 | Phated | bob2: Sweet. |
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| 16:13.22 | [newbie] | no i have not a firewall |
| 16:13.40 | Guerin | my great-uncle who worked for philips in the 1960s was the head lighting designer for changi airport |
| 16:13.44 | prahal | afaik ping 127.0.0.1 requires nothing more the the interface being up , can someone confirm |
| 16:13.49 | Phated | Guerin: So we've heard. |
| 16:13.49 | Guerin | would you believe |
| 16:13.50 | ribnitz | guestish: no transcode in debian? |
| 16:13.56 | guestish | ribnitz: marillat |
| 16:13.59 | Guerin | prahal: lo |
| 16:14.01 | daft- | How can I change the keyboard layout= |
| 16:14.05 | guestish | ribnitz: /msg dpkg marillat |
| 16:14.09 | bob2 | ribnitz: /msg dpkg marillat |
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| 16:14.15 | guestish | :) |
| 16:14.15 | bob2 | ribnitz: all that sort of thing will be there |
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| 16:14.18 | guestish | im faster this time |
| 16:14.20 | Phated | daft-: dpkg-reconfigure console-data in console. X probably needs something funky. |
| 16:14.23 | ribnitz | guestish: It looks like debian is not for free film viewing.. |
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| 16:14.27 | prahal | Guerin: uh ? |
| 16:14.34 | guestish | ribnitz: its all in marillat's repository |
| 16:14.36 | Phated | ribnitz: Sure it is. gxine. :) |
| 16:14.44 | ribnitz | Phated: xine. |
| 16:14.44 | Guerin | prahal: the loopback interface (lo) needs to be up |
| 16:14.44 | scarynetworkguy | Gxine is teh win. |
| 16:14.46 | guestish | ribnitz: lame, mplayer, transcode, everything :) |
| 16:14.55 | ribnitz | guestish: all in marillat. |
| 16:14.59 | Phated | ribnitz: gxine prettier. |
| 16:15.00 | guestish | ribnitz: yup |
| 16:15.07 | guestish | totem's nice |
| 16:15.11 | Guerin | no |
| 16:15.14 | Guerin | totem is not nice |
| 16:15.17 | ribnitz | Phated: will that install an evil gnome on my box? |
| 16:15.23 | Guerin | use mplayer |
| 16:15.23 | prahal | Guerin: afaik ping 127.0.0.1 requires nothing more the the interface being up , can someone confirm, did you mean it does not requires anything elese ? |
| 16:15.24 | scarynetworkguy | ribnitz: No. |
| 16:15.24 | Phated | ribnitz: No... |
| 16:15.24 | guestish | well, when its not crashing :) |
| 16:15.32 | daft- | pharted whats wrong with xinefb |
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| 16:15.46 | Phated | It's PHATED, and I'm not answering that. |
| 16:15.47 | scarynetworkguy | prahal: It requires a TCP/IP stack. Period. |
| 16:15.53 | guestish | ribnitz: nope marillat packages packages with licensing issues |
| 16:15.54 | Phated | !tell maeglin_artarin about away |
| 16:16.03 | guestish | ribnitz: well, patent issues |
| 16:16.09 | justdust | to install a gnome base system on debian base system, how do I proceed ? |
| 16:16.13 | Phated | Hmm... Pango is gnomeish, no? |
| 16:16.16 | Guerin | prahal: ifconfig ; tell me if you have a loopback interface |
| 16:16.17 | asuffield | I liked his spelling better. serves you right for using a 'ph' |
| 16:16.19 | bob2 | maeglin_artarin: please turn that off |
| 16:16.20 | ribnitz | guestish: there are no software patents in europe yet. |
| 16:16.23 | Phated | justdust: apt-get install gnome-base or something. |
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| 16:16.26 | guestish | ribnitz: so its all good :) |
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| 16:16.38 | justdust | Phated, that package doesn't exist... |
| 16:16.39 | ribnitz | guestish: probem is the yet. |
| 16:16.41 | prahal | scarynetworkguy: i would have told a proc and power , maybe a nuclear plant depending where you live |
| 16:16.42 | Phated | Is there even a gnome-base, though. I thought it was just KDE. |
| 16:16.47 | guestish | heh |
| 16:16.48 | justdust | Phated, it does on gentoo... |
| 16:16.51 | Phated | justdust: Then gnome-desktop-environment. |
| 16:16.57 | scarynetworkguy | prahal: Yeah yeah. |
| 16:17.02 | ribnitz | justdust: Gnome* |
| 16:17.07 | Phated | asuffield: :P |
| 16:17.26 | jcarr | I know this is OT... but anyone know a site or something with good tips on writing a resume? |
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| 16:17.29 | Phated | justdust: You might as well just apt-get install gnome. |
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| 16:17.39 | bob2 | jcarr: monster.com used to have some |
| 16:17.39 | ribnitz | justdust: gnome is bl0atwhere, so you cvould as well get alll of it |
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| 16:18.07 | Guerin | jcarr: just google for them |
| 16:18.20 | Phated | OR ask Guerin. :) |
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| 16:18.23 | Guerin | jcarr: look at other peoples' resumes, and steal what you like |
| 16:18.26 | Phated | JObhunter extraordinare. |
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| 16:18.31 | Guerin | no, my resume is shite, and it's not online |
| 16:18.37 | Phated | Amend spelling as necessary. |
| 16:18.43 | scarynetworkguy | http://www.lib.rpi.edu/dept/acs/ftp/resumes/latex/ |
| 16:18.49 | ribnitz | Phated: over here its cold and foggy, nice weather over at your place? |
| 16:18.51 | scarynetworkguy | Some really cool templates. |
| 16:18.52 | Zee_ | I am wondering how big to partition my drive on my powerbook, so I can install debian at a later time? |
| 16:18.52 | Guerin | since all the braindead morons who I applied with were technologically illiterate |
| 16:18.53 | justdust | it's not gdm ? |
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| 16:19.03 | Phated | ribnitz: Balmy, not too humid. Very nice. |
| 16:19.12 | scarynetworkguy | YAY!! |
| 16:19.18 | bob2 | Zee_: 5GB is lots |
| 16:19.22 | jcarr | I'm guessing my resume must be crap. I know I have the skill and qualitifactions, but out of 80 places I submitted to last month, not one follow up :( |
| 16:19.30 | baz | can someone explain what needs to happen for debian-security updates for sarge to come online? |
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| 16:19.45 | solars | hi, what is wrong with this line: echo '1,/^#/-1s/^/# /w' |ed blah |
| 16:19.47 | Guerin | jcarr: I had the same thing until a couple days ago. |
| 16:19.51 | baz | it seems to be the sticking point for sarge at the moment, but I can't work out why |
| 16:19.56 | Guerin | jcarr: you have to make your own followups. |
| 16:20.01 | scarynetworkguy | baz: Email Overfiend. Use lots of caps. He likes that. |
| 16:20.06 | ribnitz | baz: the security team is probably too busy with woody already. |
| 16:20.19 | Phated | scarynetworkguy: Can't leave out the punctuation. |
| 16:20.21 | baz | ribnitz: then we need a bigger security team |
| 16:20.26 | jcarr | Guerin, I know.. been waiting all weekend for Monday to come so I can make phone calls |
| 16:20.28 | Phated | baz: Join them. |
| 16:20.29 | Guerin | baz: search the debian-release and debian-devel archives |
| 16:20.31 | jcarr | bug the hell outta them |
| 16:20.36 | scarynetworkguy | Phated: No no you can't. |
| 16:20.51 | baz | Guerin: did that before I came here. guess i missed it |
| 16:20.56 | Guerin | jcarr: heh. I feel your pain. I confirmed interest in a job offer today. |
| 16:21.01 | justdust | huh, what's the difference betwee, gdm and gnome desktop enviroment ? |
| 16:21.13 | ribnitz | Phated: they imposed a new ortography unto us about 2 years ago. howwible. |
| 16:21.15 | Phated | Guerin: Woo, you're taking that one? |
| 16:21.25 | bob2 | justdust: gdm is the login screen |
| 16:21.26 | Phated | justdust: apt-cache show, FFS. |
| 16:21.27 | Guerin | baz: ok. That's a question to be asked on -devel, probably. The security team and most of the devs don't frequent this channel. |
| 16:21.29 | Xenguy | jcarr: It is worth 'spending too much time' on a resume. In my experience, the resume makes the difference between getting an interview or not (and I've seen a lot of really unattractive/bad resumes) |
| 16:21.31 | bigio | sorry for a stupid question , is it possible to transform a knoppix installed version on a Debian version ? |
| 16:21.40 | Guerin | Phated: the money's too good to resist. |
| 16:21.40 | Phated | No, it is not. |
| 16:21.53 | Phated | Guerin: Ah, from what you said, true. Well congratulations. :) |
| 16:21.59 | bob2 | Guerin: is the new job in korea still? |
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| 16:22.04 | toby | are there any good guides on getting xfree86 to work? all i can get out of the error log in unusable configuration, and the configuration looks fine :/ |
| 16:22.07 | asuffield | the only thing you can do with knoppix is run the debian installer on it, generating a debian installation on a different filesystem |
| 16:22.17 | ribnitz | Guerin: they "bought" you? ;) |
| 16:22.22 | Guerin | jcarr: also - don't use those resumes or templates directly - they're in an obsolete version of latex, and will give you PROBLEMS |
| 16:22.22 | bob2 | toby: /msg dpkg setup x |
| 16:22.33 | toby | bob2: thanks :o |
| 16:22.35 | bob2 | bigio: "no" |
| 16:22.37 | ribnitz | !italian |
| 16:22.37 | Phated | ribnitz: Nothing wrong with being bought. |
| 16:22.38 | dpkg | it has been said that italian is per aiuto in lingua italiana: /j #debian-it, (anche /j #linux-it). Otterrete sicuramente piu' aiuto li', bischeri! For help in italian /j #debian-it or /j #linux-it |
| 16:22.42 | bob2 | bigio: but this is an english-speaking channel |
| 16:22.49 | bigio | tnx bob2 |
| 16:22.54 | Phated | ribnitz: For the right amount of $CURRENCY |
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| 16:22.58 | Guerin | bob2: yeah, change of pace. Looks like 2-2.5x income, as well. |
| 16:23.09 | scarynetworkguy | Nice. |
| 16:23.10 | bob2 | Guerin: um, wow, congrats |
| 16:23.18 | bigio | sorry for my bad english :\ |
| 16:23.23 | ribnitz | Phated: everyone can be bought. Its just a question of how much. |
| 16:23.29 | Guerin | ribnitz: money: outstanding. conditions: good. location: bearable. |
| 16:23.36 | Phated | bob2: Join the club. |
| 16:23.41 | Phated | ribnitz: What I said. :) |
| 16:24.10 | Kraig | fight club? |
| 16:24.20 | Phated | Guerin: What happened to "below average" in terms of location, then? :) |
| 16:24.25 | scarynetworkguy | The first rule of Fight Club is... |
| 16:24.28 | Phated | Kraig: Brad Pitt. Sexy. Not much else to say. |
| 16:24.34 | Kraig | oh fuck, i'm out... |
| 16:24.41 | ribnitz | Phated: except for the truly democratically elected representatives. they'll put democracy above all else.. |
| 16:24.42 | Xemacs_ | what are "Super Cow powsers" ?? |
| 16:24.51 | Xemacs_ | powers |
| 16:24.53 | Phated | ribnitz: Eh? |
| 16:24.54 | jcarr | scarynetworkguy, posers? |
| 16:25.01 | jcarr | er, Xemacs_ I mean |
| 16:25.02 | Phated | Xemacs_: /msg dpkg moo |
| 16:25.03 | bob2 | Guerin: sounds like enough to import cherry ripes and coopers ;) |
| 16:25.07 | Phated | Or apt-get moo. |
| 16:25.07 | Kraig | Phated: do you know that girl name? that playing Marla Singer? |
| 16:25.14 | jcarr | .msg dpkg moo |
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| 16:25.22 | Phated | Kraig: No idea. imdb. |
| 16:25.37 | Kraig | k. gonna take a look |
| 16:25.41 | Guerin | Phated: it's still below average, but it's bearable. I spent yesterday stress-testing it (read: going to lots of pubs and wandering through the markets) |
| 16:25.46 | jcarr | ha |
| 16:25.51 | Guerin | bob2: heh. |
| 16:25.54 | jcarr | didn't know about the apt-get moo thing |
| 16:25.56 | Phated | Guerin: Well, if the markets and pubs stand up to it, sounds lovely. |
| 16:26.05 | baz | Kraig: Helena Bonham Carter |
| 16:26.06 | Phated | Nice fresh foodstuff? |
| 16:26.07 | Xemacs_ | oh, now i get it ;) |
| 16:26.21 | Kraig | baz: thanks a lot! |
| 16:26.22 | Guerin | and it's on the KTX - the bullet train from seoul to busan. That's a big bonus.. |
| 16:26.26 | Phated | jcarr: Too late. apt-get install cowsay. |
| 16:26.35 | scarynetworkguy | Guerin: They finally put that in? |
| 16:26.38 | Phated | Guerin: Ah, cool. Easy travelling to Seoul, then. |
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| 16:26.51 | jcarr | ah! |
| 16:26.56 | Guerin | scarynetworkguy: yeah. Already been a couple accidents on it, too :) |
| 16:26.56 | jcarr | I didn't want cowsay |
| 16:27.01 | scarynetworkguy | Guerin: Heh. |
| 16:27.14 | Phated | jcarr: What else could a program called moo -possibly- do? |
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| 16:27.28 | scarynetworkguy | Guerin: It was in the planning stages last time I was over there. |
| 16:27.29 | Auze | Sorry for my away messege |
| 16:27.32 | jcarr | Multiple Object Oscolator! |
| 16:27.39 | Xemacs_ | <<< wonders how mutch cowsay went up in popularity contest |
| 16:27.44 | Phated | Well... I'd like it to do just what it says. "$ moo <enter>" *MOOOOO* |
| 16:27.44 | dupondje | hi guys: when i do cat ReDDie in a dir, i get cat: ReDDie: Input/output error |
| 16:27.49 | Phated | Out of your speakers. :) |
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| 16:27.58 | Guerin | scarynetworkguy: they're still saying that they'll put it through NK by 2008 ... yeah, right |
| 16:27.59 | jcarr | Maximized Object Orientation! |
| 16:28.09 | Phated | And WTF would that be? |
| 16:28.18 | jcarr | a pure OOP framework! :P |
| 16:28.27 | asuffield | a moo is a strange breed of mud |
| 16:28.32 | Phated | Coding-type stuff, eh. Not interested. |
| 16:28.39 | Phated | asuffield: Cowmud? |
| 16:28.43 | Phated | Actually, no, cowmoo. |
| 16:28.46 | scarynetworkguy | Guerin: Yeah. |
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| 16:29.54 | the-one-on-horse | hey guys. i am a bit new to linux, but i have one question. I open a ftp folder by typing FTP and the the ip. What command can i use to download a whole DIR |
| 16:30.03 | Phated | cd DIR, get *? |
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| 16:30.04 | jcarr | bah, I need to learn SAP |
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| 16:30.07 | justdust | why isn't openoffice's webwriter not xhtml compiliant yet ? |
| 16:30.12 | ribnitz | the-one-on-horse: get lftp, then use mirror |
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| 16:30.18 | Guerin | the-one-on-horse: use lftp -e 'mirror server/dir' |
| 16:30.22 | jcarr | seems there's a local place hiring for "SAP specialists" paying $70./hour |
| 16:30.29 | the-one-on-horse | THX guys |
| 16:30.30 | dupondje | anybody knows how i can fixx that :( |
| 16:30.35 | ribnitz | ok. got marillat, now whats the best thing to do a copy of a dvd? |
| 16:30.42 | Guerin | justdust: because nobody should ever write html in a word processor |
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| 16:31.31 | prahal | the-one-on-horse: or try mc is great to ftp things |
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| 16:31.32 | Phated | Yeah, vim all the way. |
| 16:31.35 | dupondje | plz guys :( |
| 16:31.41 | the-one-on-horse | mc????? |
| 16:31.42 | Phated | Oo August, which is kind of nice. |
| 16:31.56 | Phated | s/o/r/ |
| 16:31.58 | scarynetworkguy | Can do cool things in the right hands. |
| 16:32.05 | Guerin | hah |
| 16:32.07 | prahal | the-one-on-horse: midnight commander ! |
| 16:32.08 | Xenguy | the-one-on-horse: with regular ftp, I think the answer is 'mget' -- but yeah, use lftp instead ;-) |
| 16:32.16 | toby | bob2: another other guides/tutorials? what dpkg suggested didn't work ;x |
| 16:32.31 | secher | Good morning all. Are there native drivers for the liknksys 802.11g wireless nic? Part number wpc54gs. I'd really rather not run the ndis wrapper utils, and I'm running unstable. I have googled for this, extensively, to no avail, but I'm hoping I've missed something in my search. |
| 16:32.54 | sussudio | !irritate dupondje |
| 16:32.54 | dpkg | dupondje: hi every1 who uses dvd ???/ |
| 16:33.13 | grivell | secher: It's Prism54 isn't it? |
| 16:33.17 | grivell | !prism54 |
| 16:33.20 | caphuso | secher: what chip it uses is far more important that the name of the thing |
| 16:33.32 | dupondje | i get 'cat: ReDDie: Input/output error' how i can fix that ? :s |
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| 16:33.47 | grivell | hmm nothing damn. well, its in kernel 2.6.*. |
| 16:33.49 | secher | one sec.. I think it's prism, there are 2 chipsets.. lemme look. |
| 16:34.06 | Michael2 | i have a hardware question figure someone here might know the answer. |
| 16:34.08 | Michael2 | Does anyone know what the max power outtage per power supply molex is (regular 4 pin molex)? |
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| 16:34.13 | prahal | toby: have you tried without dri/glx and only free drivers first ? |
| 16:34.19 | orchid | dupondje: what is ReDDie |
| 16:34.24 | asg | dupondje: 1) does /var/log/kern.log show nasty IDE errors. 2) have you fscked your filesystem (touch /forcefsck ; reboot) |
| 16:34.25 | Guerin | Michael2: itym output |
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| 16:34.38 | toby | prahal: no matter what i try, it just says screen(s) found, but no usable configuration |
| 16:34.39 | Guerin | !molex |
| 16:34.39 | Xenguy | dupondje: do -> file ReDDie |
| 16:34.40 | Michael2 | whats itym? |
| 16:34.42 | xDCDx | how do I disable the internal speaker beep that sounds when I hit tab in the console and there are several autocompletion options? |
| 16:34.44 | Guerin | !itym |
| 16:34.44 | dpkg | it has been said that itym is I Think You Mean |
| 16:34.49 | Guerin | Michael2: what's molex? |
| 16:34.52 | the-one-on-horse | hey.. if anyone knows Smoothwall, i really want to hear your oppinion about it |
| 16:35.00 | asg | xDCDx: man setterm ; man xset |
| 16:35.07 | Michael2 | its thing off power supply say the thing that you connect to power your cdrom for example |
| 16:35.07 | xDCDx | thanks asac |
| 16:35.09 | Phated | Smoothwalls's said to be decent. |
| 16:35.10 | scarynetworkguy | the-one-on-horse: It's pretty good. |
| 16:35.12 | asg | !tell maeglin_artarin about away |
| 16:35.14 | xDCDx | sorrym thanks asg |
| 16:35.16 | mwilson | man readline and search for bell. |
| 16:35.20 | Michael2 | reason i ask is |
| 16:35.21 | Phated | asg: He's been !told. :) |
| 16:35.22 | toby | prahal: i've tried compiling the nvidia dri driver, using the standard vga driver, fbdev, everything :x |
| 16:35.33 | Michael2 | <PROTECTED> |
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| 16:35.42 | asg | Phated: and isn't listening apparently ... grrr |
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| 16:35.50 | the-one-on-horse | ok, one of my friends used smoothwall, and he said it where some shit |
| 16:35.57 | prahal | toby: ccan i have a look on your config file ? |
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| 16:36.00 | Phated | asg: True. |
| 16:36.06 | toby | prahal: sure, go to #flood |
| 16:36.07 | Michael2 | like for example 1 cable might have 3 molex's but could i run the system off these or would be better to use 1 off each i wonder what max output is |
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| 16:36.13 | Kraig | damn javascript... |
| 16:36.15 | Kraig | bye guys |
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| 16:36.18 | the-one-on-horse | bye |
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| 16:36.25 | nige- | can anyone tell me what multicasting is used so little on the net right now in general? |
| 16:36.25 | FlyHigh6666 | hi |
| 16:36.25 | xsdg | bah; what's that package that depends on all the dev stuff? |
| 16:36.33 | grivell | secher: brb. I'll help you |
| 16:36.38 | spdf | Michael2, How many things need power? |
| 16:36.40 | asg | xsdg: build-essential? |
| 16:36.41 | resiak | xsdg: You mean udev? gnome-volume-manager, I think. |
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| 16:36.55 | xsdg | asg: grazie |
| 16:37.06 | spdf | Michael2, an HD and CDROM? Or more? |
| 16:37.11 | asg | xsdg: provided by 'dev' you mean development and not device |
| 16:37.13 | Michael2 | normal amount 2 dvdrw's, 3 hd's ati radeon 9800 |
| 16:37.22 | xsdg | asg: "oops" yeah :o) |
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| 16:38.00 | ribnitz | vcdimager has some unsatisfiable depends, do I need vcdimager to copy a dvd? |
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| 16:38.10 | paulswm | Michael2: I'm running CDRW, ATAPI ZIP, 3x80GB, 1x250GB, 2x8GB drives + 4 case fans off 350W supply no problem, using all molexes + splits, heh |
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| 16:38.26 | Phated | paulswm: Dude, don't make us hate you already. |
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| 16:38.32 | Michael2 | i have one of those new trupower 480's where you can plug as many cables as you need into it and just wondering what max outtage is per cable (each cable has 3 molex's) for example 3 hd's and ati radeon 9800 off 1 cable but kinda wierd info to try to find |
| 16:38.33 | Chewie[] | how do i determine which version of Debian i'm running? |
| 16:38.42 | Phated | Chewie[]: cat /etc/debian_version |
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| 16:38.48 | asg | Chewie[]: cat /etc/debian_version && dpkg -l libc6 |
| 16:38.57 | asg | s/dpkg -l/apt-cache policy/ |
| 16:39.00 | Phated | You know, you always have to wonder WHY people don't just know what they're running. |
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| 16:39.07 | paulswm | Phated: but I only have ATA100 on this modo, if that makes you feel any better :) |
| 16:39.12 | paulswm | *mobo |
| 16:39.17 | Petro | The blackbox package does not come with the bsetbg script, where can I find it? |
| 16:39.18 | spdf | Michael2, I'd put the vid card on its own, hd's on one, and dvdrws on their own...but it shouldn't make a difference how you split it up.. |
| 16:39.28 | asg | Petro: /msg dpkg search |
| 16:39.32 | Chewie[] | Phated: i burned this install disk a while ago. i know i'm on Testing, but not which numerical version. |
| 16:39.35 | Phated | paulswm: Yeah shut up. I have one CDROM, 1x8G, 1 case fan. |
| 16:39.40 | Phated | So ner. |
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| 16:39.49 | Petro | asg: I searched the files, it's not there. |
| 16:40.00 | asg | Petro: what version of debian are you running? |
| 16:40.02 | paulswm | Phated: :( |
| 16:40.03 | Phated | Chewie[]: Er... you're on testing, you're on testing. It's not a huge deal whether you're on rc1 or rcx where x is the latest rc. |
| 16:40.13 | Phated | paulswm: Yeah, I know. Want to compare some more specs? :) |
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| 16:40.16 | Petro | asg: unstable |
| 16:40.30 | Michael2 | yeah thats what i got but i could cut down to 2 cords if I knew it wouldn't mess up something make my box prettier on the inside u know how some of us are just obsessive compulsive |
| 16:40.33 | asuffield | a 350W power supply should carry anything you can fit in a normal tower case. the larger ones are only for specialised drive-heavy systems |
| 16:40.34 | Phated | Petro: apt-get install bb-utils or bbutils. |
| 16:40.46 | paulswm | Phated: you're younger than me, I'll prolly die first, you win :) |
| 16:40.52 | asg | Petro: should be part of the 'blackbox' package itself |
| 16:40.53 | caphuso | or nvidia SLI nonsense |
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| 16:40.58 | Phated | paulswm: :) |
| 16:41.02 | Phated | !bbutils |
| 16:41.08 | Michael2 | heh well my system is fairly top end also its water cooled and about to overclock the crap outta it |
| 16:41.13 | toby | heh |
| 16:41.16 | toby | one 6600/6800 is enough to draw serious power |
| 16:41.17 | Guerin | oh lord |
| 16:41.19 | asg | Phated: blackbox: usr/bin/bsetbg |
| 16:41.22 | mwilson | asg: It is. |
| 16:41.26 | Phated | asg: Ah, cool. |
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| 16:41.36 | Phated | Right, time to include bb* factoids in that list... |
| 16:41.38 | asg | mwilson: yeah, haven't run blackbox in a while. Had to look that up. |
| 16:41.46 | Phated | Michael2: Just... BUY a better proc. |
| 16:41.55 | toby | Phated: hogwash. |
| 16:41.57 | Michael2 | i am wierdo i have 3 hd's and 5 os's parted across all of them which can boot from any of them |
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| 16:42.04 | vipe | what is an equivalent dump/restore (ext2/3) tool for reiserfs ? |
| 16:42.13 | Petro | Ok well for some odd reason it didn't install, I'll manually download it. |
| 16:42.15 | Phated | toby: Hmm? |
| 16:42.26 | toby | Phated: bang for your buck :p |
| 16:42.36 | Phated | Thanks but no, I charge more. |
| 16:42.42 | vipe | using a scsi tape device |
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| 16:42.57 | spdf | Michael2, What kind of proc are you going to oc? |
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| 16:43.06 | Michael2 | xp 3200 :) |
| 16:43.23 | mwilson | Why would you waste your time overclocking? |
| 16:43.26 | Phated | Hah, AMD? Might as well liquid-nitrogen-cool it. |
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| 16:43.26 | asuffield | underclocking is much more worthwhile |
| 16:43.27 | toby | heh |
| 16:43.28 | Guerin | oh, because one of those isn't fast enough already... |
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| 16:43.35 | Michael2 | I am gonna make my xp 3200 a true xp 3200 |
| 16:43.43 | toby | Phated: you're obviously not educated on the athlon xp lines |
| 16:43.44 | Guerin | famous last words |
| 16:43.49 | toby | which run cool as shit |
| 16:43.53 | paulswm | Michael2: or a true pice of toast, one or the other :) |
| 16:43.54 | Phated | There are people who are happy with PIII 500s... And then there are people who get blown up. :) |
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| 16:43.57 | paulswm | *piece |
| 16:44.00 | asuffield | your shit is cold? go see a doctor |
| 16:44.07 | asg | Phated: I'm happy with my P200 |
| 16:44.10 | Michael2 | well they are really made to do it to |
| 16:44.11 | Phated | toby: Obviously not. I have no intention of really caring. |
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| 16:44.27 | toby | Phated: then why even comment? |
| 16:44.32 | Michael2 | haha I should overclock my old comp its a p2 400 but i just use it as a fbsd server atm |
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| 16:44.39 | Phated | toby: *shrugs* Why are -you- commenting? |
| 16:44.45 | Flederfurzkopf | /quit |
| 16:44.50 | Petro | asg: Ok I found the problem, bsetbg is named bsetbg.blackbox and the blackbox-themes package uses the command bsetbg, I'll file a bug report. |
| 16:44.51 | toby | Phated: I never said I didn |
| 16:44.52 | toby | err |
| 16:44.57 | toby | never said I didn't care. |
| 16:44.59 | Michael2 | well my cpu runs at about 39 C right now at normal rate :) |
| 16:45.02 | grivell | Phated: I'm happy with my iBook 1.2 GHz. hmm.. This is a me too comment. Disregard it. |
| 16:45.09 | Phated | grivell: :) |
| 16:45.10 | asg | Petro: read /usr/share/doc/blackbox/* first, it might be explained there |
| 16:45.12 | paulswm | Michael2: very good |
| 16:45.15 | Guerin | Michael2: but it's watercooled? |
| 16:45.18 | scarynetworkguy | grivell: Debian? |
| 16:45.23 | grivell | scarynetworkguy: of course. |
| 16:45.26 | toby | 39c is pretty hot for watercooled :/ |
| 16:45.27 | scarynetworkguy | grivell: Cool. |
| 16:45.28 | Michael2 | i can't wait till i can get my ibook :) |
| 16:45.34 | Guerin | fuck yeah |
| 16:45.35 | Phated | grivell: Better not say anything else to him. :) |
| 16:45.56 | Phated | toby: *shrugs* |
| 16:46.01 | p30n | could some1 tell me how i restart inetd |
| 16:46.11 | Guerin | !some1 |
| 16:46.11 | dpkg | extra, extra, read all about it, some1 is IRC shorthand for "I'm a twit" |
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| 16:46.22 | asg | p30n: /etc/init.d/inetd start |
| 16:46.22 | grivell | Phated: Like the fact it has MacOSX on the other partition ;) But it hasn't been booted. I mean to. I just can't find the energy to mess with it. |
| 16:46.23 | paulswm | p30n: /etc/init.d/inetd restart |
| 16:46.36 | Phated | grivell: Heh. |
| 16:46.55 | p30n | thx |
| 16:46.55 | asuffield | by running /tce/1n17.d/1ntd r3$tat |
| 16:47.10 | Phated | Heh. |
| 16:47.11 | asg | asuffield: nice |
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| 16:47.49 | Phated | That's /37c/1n17.d/1n37d :) |
| 16:47.55 | scarynetworkguy | grivell: Nice. |
| 16:48.01 | Zylogue | Greetings....Lastnight I attempted to install Debian on a Dell Inspiron 5000 using the businesscard iso downloaded, yessterday. The system installed without any apparent glitches. However on reboot, I find that X does not 'work' correclty. by that I mean that X does not show on the screen (LCD). however if i plug an external monitor intot he machine, it gets the display. I have used the FN-F8 key to cycle throught the display options. |
| 16:48.02 | Zylogue | The monitor will have or lose the display as appropriate. the LCD will either be all black or a dark grey showing signal, but no display. Does anyone have any suggestions? |
| 16:48.04 | Phated | Or |\| |
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| 16:48.21 | secher | Ok, got it. The chipset for the Linksys wpc54gs nic is the broadcomm Airforce. Had to make sure. |
| 16:48.32 | scarynetworkguy | grivell: How hard/easy was the Debian install? |
| 16:48.32 | grivell | secher: You are screwed. |
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| 16:48.40 | secher | and fiancee wanted some of my time.. <Grin> |
| 16:48.42 | Guerin | Zylogue: what video card, what xfree driver? |
| 16:48.49 | asuffield | Phated: don't make me come over there and kick your arse |
| 16:48.55 | asuffield | Zylogue: wrong resolution |
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| 16:49.04 | Phated | asuffield: :) What? |
| 16:49.13 | Phated | ^_^ |
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| 16:49.16 | Zylogue | Guerin, ATI Mobility, ATI server |
| 16:49.26 | asg | Phated: that's how we English show friendliness |
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| 16:49.31 | Guerin | Zylogue: not what asuffield said |
| 16:49.31 | asuffield | Phated: and don't do that either |
| 16:49.35 | secher | grivell: Yes, did you see my post? |
| 16:49.39 | grivell | scarynetworkguy: Very easy. Download D-I netcd, partition, etc. It's not too different from x86. |
| 16:49.40 | Phated | asuffield: :) |
| 16:49.42 | Zylogue | asuffield, tried various resolutions, they changed for the external montiro, but not the local display |
| 16:49.45 | Phated | asg: Yeah yeah. |
| 16:49.50 | skullcap | hi everyone |
| 16:49.54 | paulswm | Phated: Americans are just as friendly, just sub 'ass' for 'arse' |
| 16:50.00 | grivell | (11:45:48) grivell: secher: You are screwed. |
| 16:50.01 | Zylogue | Guerin, troubleshooting had already disproved that option... |
| 16:50.08 | Guerin | paulswm: and make the accent more annoying |
| 16:50.11 | Phated | paulswm: I'm quite clear of the distinction between ass and arse, thank you. |
| 16:50.15 | scarynetworkguy | grivell: Coolness. |
| 16:50.17 | asuffield | why would they want to kick your mule? mules kick back |
| 16:50.18 | Guerin | Zylogue: try with the vesa driver |
| 16:50.24 | Phated | asuffield, however is uniquely irritable. |
| 16:50.25 | paulswm | Phated: was a joke |
| 16:50.26 | secher | grivell: no native drivers for Debinn GNU/Linux????? |
| 16:50.34 | Phated | paulswm: So was my reply. |
| 16:50.39 | asg | asuffield: you have to come from underneath, from front to back, to avoid the legs. |
| 16:50.40 | grivell | secher: It's Broadcom. They are not into that sort of thing ;) |
| 16:50.43 | Zylogue | Guerin, very well...BRB |
| 16:50.45 | paulswm | Guerin: are you saying I have an annoying accent, and how do you know anyway? |
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| 16:50.46 | skullcap | nubie question... |
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| 16:51.30 | Guerin | paulswm: 1) yes 2) it's obvious |
| 16:51.42 | skullcap | I just installed debian, however, my sound module and network module are on a disk, is it possible to install these? |
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| 16:51.49 | toby | is there anything special that needs to be done for debian to recognize a usb mouse? |
| 16:51.51 | Guerin | !possible |
| 16:51.52 | dpkg | Anything's possible. Some things are more possible than others. You'll need to ask a more meaningful question if you want to find out how possible your planned course of action is. |
| 16:51.57 | secher | So I'm stuck using the ndis wrapper.... *Sigh* |
| 16:52.04 | Guerin | arright |
| 16:52.09 | Guerin | bedtime |
| 16:52.15 | xsdg | KD6PAG: /names |
| 16:52.20 | asg | Guerin: night |
| 16:52.21 | Phated | KD6PAG: /who #channel |
| 16:52.28 | paulswm | Guerin: OK, but I can be annoying without even employing the accent :) |
| 16:52.30 | Faithful | toby depends on the mouse |
| 16:52.31 | Phated | Guerin: Nighty night. |
| 16:52.36 | toby | ms intellimouse :O |
| 16:52.38 | KD6PAG | xsdg: Thx, 'been too many years |
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| 16:52.43 | xsdg | np |
| 16:52.44 | paulswm | Guerin: see ya |
| 16:52.51 | Guerin | paulswm: only you can answer that question. |
| 16:52.57 | asg | ah, pubtime |
| 16:52.59 | Zee_ | any one want to help me partition my drive? I am trying to partition the drive on my powerbook so I can install os x one one partition and debian on one partition and have the rest be for media that both system partitions can R and W to. |
| 16:52.59 | Guerin | l8rz d00dz |
| 16:53.03 | skullcap | ok, Thanks Guerin. I want to install two modules that are not on the mod install list. |
| 16:53.11 | grivell | secher: Almost definitely. Or do a Google search with Linux in the name (and your Linksys). See if something has changed. |
| 16:53.30 | caphuso | asg: 8:00am already? :-P |
| 16:53.35 | Skiver | Gaim is a gtk or gtk2 program ? |
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| 16:53.43 | Guerin | skullcap: build them for your kernel, or build a kernel with them. Modules are kernel-specific; you don't get to mixnmatch. |
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| 16:53.49 | dhuv | hello all |
| 16:53.52 | Gumby | New question: with sarge, I get unresolved symbol errors when I try to modprobe the snd-ens1371 sound stuff... and surprise, no sound. Using deb alsa-mods 1.0.6a+5 |
| 16:54.01 | Phated | Skiver: GTK+ |
| 16:54.06 | grivell | Skiver: yes :) |
| 16:54.30 | Zee_ | come on, some one gots to help me? |
| 16:54.36 | ribnitz | what tool would I need to write dvds? |
| 16:54.37 | borkarus_ | dhuv: hello, where are you from? |
| 16:54.44 | spdf | ribnitz, dvdrecord |
| 16:55.15 | Kerr | Zee_: apt-get install qtparted |
| 16:55.47 | skullcap | I noticed when I did the install, when that there was no opportunity to insert the modules (I used to call these drivers), anyway, no place to put them in the kernel. |
| 16:56.09 | xsdg | ribnitz: dvd+-rwtools or somesuch |
| 16:56.10 | _eugenesan_ | hi all, how can monitor disk activity from shell? |
| 16:56.15 | Kerr | Zee_: don't pm me. |
| 16:56.22 | Zee_ | k |
| 16:56.23 | ribnitz | xsdg: dvdrtools |
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| 16:56.35 | Skiver | Phated : so when it will check ~/.gtkrc ? |
| 16:56.44 | Phated | Skiver: Dunno. |
| 16:56.55 | Kerr | Zee_: if you use debian, as root run 'apt-get install qtparted' |
| 16:56.56 | xsdg | ribnitz: dvd+rw-tools |
| 16:57.02 | xsdg | ribnitz: no such package as dvdrtools |
| 16:57.02 | Kerr | Zee_: if you don't ask elsewhere. |
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| 16:57.21 | Zee_ | I am on os x |
| 16:57.30 | Phated | Zee_: Ask elsewhere. |
| 16:57.31 | Thaiger | Can anyone recomend an ogg to mp3 converter? |
| 16:57.44 | Phated | Why would you want to go that way? |
| 16:57.55 | Zee_ | like where? |
| 16:57.56 | Phated | But sox and lame should do it. |
| 16:58.00 | mwilson | Thaiger: Why would you destroy your audio by converting from one lossy format to another? |
| 16:58.12 | Thaiger | mwilson: CD mp3 player |
| 16:58.15 | Kerr | Zee_: If you are on osx, why are you asking in #debian? |
| 16:58.18 | neenee | mp3 is not lossy |
| 16:58.20 | mwilson | Phated: Or mpg123 to lame. |
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| 16:58.25 | skullcap | guerin, do you know where there is a how-to or tek on building modules for kernels?,or with kernels? |
| 16:58.27 | mwilson | neenee: Except that it is, of course. |
| 16:58.29 | Phated | mwilson: You can do that? |
| 16:58.33 | Zee_ | because I want to install debian |
| 16:58.38 | neenee | i think it isn't |
| 16:58.46 | mwilson | neenee: You'd be wrong. |
| 16:58.49 | neenee | :) |
| 16:58.54 | Zee_ | and I want to make sure my partitioning is right |
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| 16:59.00 | mwilson | Thaiger: Why did you rip to ogg in the first place, then? |
| 16:59.10 | scarynetworkguy | Heh. And it starts. |
| 16:59.15 | edt | I have not used the debian installer in ages - it a real PITA |
| 16:59.17 | Phated | Zee_: However, partitioning on osx is a matter best dealt with by osx people. Wherever they are. |
| 16:59.25 | Phated | edt: You haven't seen d-i, then. |
| 16:59.32 | neenee | then i'm confusing lossy with something else :| |
| 16:59.33 | neenee | oh well |
| 16:59.35 | daft- | How can I change the keyboard layout - sould be / and that kind of things |
| 16:59.42 | Kerr | Zee_: You should rethink that, maybe install suse. Debian can be a lot of work, and 'someone help me do this!' will not get any of it done. |
| 16:59.43 | Phated | Which got several geeks collectively creaming their pants. |
| 16:59.50 | Phated | And so on. |
| 16:59.53 | edt | considering I am trying the amd64 unstable port its probably to be expected |
| 16:59.56 | dead|shell | Zee_, boot from cd while holding the'c' button and use "Disc Utility" |
| 16:59.58 | grivell | edt: D-I is rather nice. |
| 17:00.01 | Phated | See? |
| 17:00.10 | Phated | grivell: Sorry, but... Had to. :) |
| 17:00.15 | edt | does D-I exist for amd64 ? |
| 17:00.23 | grivell | Phated: accepted. |
| 17:00.27 | Phated | :) |
| 17:00.33 | Zee_ | I am not installing debian now, I just want to make sure I have it set up so I can install it later |
| 17:00.48 | skullcap | anyone out there know where there is a how-to for building a kernel with the linux modules that came with a device? |
| 17:00.54 | Phated | Again, partitioning under osx is not something #debian residents know about. |
| 17:00.58 | Phated | For the most part. |
| 17:01.03 | EvilIdler | edt:I did a minimal install on this AMD 64 box, and had all my hardware detected. Then I picked packages with aptitude. |
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| 17:01.14 | grivell | Zee_: I gave you the URL. It tells you what to do, print it out for later. |
| 17:01.23 | Zee_ | yah |
| 17:01.35 | dead|shell | Zee_, you can partion it now choose 3 partions then install OS X on one save the others for debian and media |
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| 17:01.57 | Zee_ | thanx you, |
| 17:02.01 | Zee_ | thats what I needed |
| 17:02.02 | grivell | Phated: Or we forget. |
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| 17:02.09 | edt | Evilldler X does not want to start here... |
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| 17:02.19 | Phated | grivell: Well, yes. |
| 17:02.22 | Flederfurzkopf | hello, sb there who has the time to help me istall debian gnu/linux 3.0r4 on a hp omnibook 2000? i have tried it several times, but it always freezes when loading kdm/gdm/xdm ... |
| 17:02.32 | edt | and it had lots of fun with unconnected sata drivers |
| 17:02.50 | Zee_ | will debian be able to wright to an os x partition? |
| 17:03.04 | Zee_ | later on? |
| 17:03.12 | mwilson | There are HFS+ tools. |
| 17:03.27 | grivell | Zee_: READ the URL!!! It tells you which to use for read-only, and which it can write to. |
| 17:03.49 | Zee_ | I am doing that now, |
| 17:03.53 | FlopsyPete | Flederfurzkopf: you're probably better off using 'testing (the forthcoming 3.1), if you're able to |
| 17:04.22 | grivell | scarynetworkguy: I'm on here all the time haha |
| 17:04.24 | skullcap | I just installed Debian, but it won't provide the sound or netowrk modules for those devices. Anyone know how I can build a kernel and add the modules I have on a separate cd? |
| 17:04.29 | Zee_ | but asking a simple question instead of reading through pages and pages of text is a lot simpler. |
| 17:04.33 | Flederfurzkopf | thx, i'll try, but is that probably a known issue, debian and hp omnibooks? |
| 17:04.59 | scarynetworkguy | grivell: Yeah but I'm a bit of a monkey and it takes something like this to make me notice someone. |
| 17:05.01 | paulswm | Zee_: so you want to make someone else use up their time instead of you using yours? |
| 17:05.05 | grivell | scarynetworkguy: I'm the quiet one who only speaks when mwilson insults him ;) |
| 17:05.12 | scarynetworkguy | grivell: Heh. |
| 17:05.15 | pngwn | Zee_, but you learn so much more by reading ;) |
| 17:05.27 | Zee_ | I am doing both!!! |
| 17:05.30 | Phated | grivell: "when mwilson insults foo" is... what, everytime? :) |
| 17:05.41 | scarynetworkguy | Only when he's typing. :) |
| 17:05.47 | Phated | Heh. |
| 17:05.55 | mwilson | If it's an insult to expect people to read. |
| 17:06.15 | prahal | Zee_: thou shoul be initiated to the google side of the force |
| 17:06.15 | grivell | Oh crap, he's awake lolo |
| 17:06.20 | grivell | lol even |
| 17:06.25 | Phated | mwilson: We do get the weirdest people, don't we. :) |
| 17:06.25 | edt | what is the base package for X |
| 17:06.33 | Phated | edt: x-window-system |
| 17:06.56 | mwilson | The *base* package? x-window-system-core |
| 17:07.03 | scarynetworkguy | mwilson: Meh, Just fun to tease. |
| 17:07.15 | edt | thanks (wonders why X is not used) |
| 17:07.21 | Phated | Ah yes, what mwilson said. |
| 17:07.46 | mwilson | edt: Because it's not even slightly descriptive, now is it? |
| 17:07.52 | toby | Are there any guides on getting a USB mouse to work under X? |
| 17:07.57 | spdf | Hmm...the voltages on my mobo are below/above their rating.. ie 12v = 11.7V, 3.3V = 3.4, 5V = 5.12V....should I be worried about any of that? |
| 17:08.09 | toby | spdf: probably not |
| 17:08.13 | scarynetworkguy | toby: Yes. |
| 17:08.13 | toby | if you have a lot of stuff anyways |
| 17:08.17 | spdf | They've always been tha tway atleast.. |
| 17:08.29 | mwilson | spdf: Not until you actually put a meter on them and measure them, rather than trusting blindly what lmsensors says. |
| 17:08.41 | FieldySnuts | spdf: if you got that with lm-sensors, it's probably wrong. all my voltages and fan speeds are way off. |
| 17:08.48 | Phated | FieldySnuts! |
| 17:08.52 | FieldySnuts | not sure why, probably because lm-sensors is a peice of dung |
| 17:08.53 | spdf | mwilson, Yah, I figured as much. |
| 17:09.01 | toby | scarynetworkguy: Are they on a keyword via apt or dpkg bot? Text-based browsing is hard when you're sick :x |
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| 17:09.05 | Phated | FieldySnuts: And yet you use it, eh. :) |
| 17:09.10 | FieldySnuts | I really don't think my +12VDC rail is doing -19.55VDC. |
| 17:09.14 | prahal | spdf: my box lived for monthes with funky voltage , ending up burning |
| 17:09.15 | FieldySnuts | Phated: only for temps |
| 17:09.15 | mwilson | spdf: This is why lm-sensors tells you up front that you might need to set correction factors. |
| 17:09.23 | Phated | FieldySnuts: Ah, all right them. |
| 17:09.33 | Gumby | toby: my usb mouse works fine in sarge... by default... well except I switched the device file in XF86Config-4 |
| 17:09.34 | spdf | prahal, er...Burning? :) |
| 17:09.44 | scarynetworkguy | toby: Is the mouse plugged in? |
| 17:09.54 | toby | scarynetworkguy: yes :> |
| 17:09.56 | prahal | MB components |
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| 17:10.07 | asuffield | those voltages are all within tolerances anyway |
| 17:10.13 | edt | mwilson if I say I run X you know what I mean... Sometimes too much description is not good either |
| 17:10.20 | scarynetworkguy | toby: cat /dev/input/mice wiggle it you should get random crap. |
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| 17:10.22 | prahal | spdf: not exactly "burning" , resistances melted |
| 17:10.24 | Phated | It's not like it's reporting something 5V off or something. |
| 17:10.25 | FieldySnuts | if you want the right numbers, about the only thing you can do is reboot, go to bios, look there |
| 17:10.28 | toby | scarynetworkguy: alright |
| 17:10.41 | asuffield | the 12v line can be just about anything. that's for motors |
| 17:10.47 | toby | scarynetworkguy: err, no such device @)@ |
| 17:10.48 | scarynetworkguy | toby: Come back after you've done that. |
| 17:10.48 | mwilson | edt: I'm not in the slightest interested in arguing it with you... take it up with Overfiend if you have a problem with the names his packages use. |
| 17:10.51 | xsdg | prahal: "resistances" -- resistors? |
| 17:10.51 | asuffield | the 5v line is for TTL logic. that's about +/- 0.5v |
| 17:10.59 | p30n | question: is there an apt-get cmd to install openssl? |
| 17:11.04 | spdf | Ah, Well, I'm doing alright then.. |
| 17:11.07 | scarynetworkguy | toby: Does lsmod show the drivers for the mouse loaded? |
| 17:11.09 | jethro | apt-get install openssl ? |
| 17:11.10 | asuffield | 3.3v is CMOS, +/- 0.2v ish, but I can't remember exactly |
| 17:11.13 | p30n | thx |
| 17:11.22 | prahal | spdf: yup its the way cheap power block kills MB in less than a year :/ |
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| 17:11.32 | toby | scarynetworkguy: nothing that looks like a mouse driver. |
| 17:11.45 | FieldySnuts | hell I lost two 120GB disk drives to a power supply that was outputting dirty (rippled) poower |
| 17:11.54 | p30n | do i need anything more than openssl package to get it working? |
| 17:11.56 | FieldySnuts | can't really tell till you lose something, or have an oscilliscope |
| 17:12.02 | skullcap | can someone tell me where to find info on building external modules (ones not provided in the disto) into the kernel? Or I may have to end my own life. |
| 17:12.16 | Phated | End away, my good man. |
| 17:12.24 | FieldySnuts | @lart rippled DC power |
| 17:12.30 | FieldySnuts | a what?? |
| 17:12.31 | Phated | Or, the docs provided with the source of said modules should say something. |
| 17:12.35 | scarynetworkguy | toby: Go to another term unplug and plug it back in. See what errors/messages it throws. |
| 17:13.03 | skullcap | they dont, one is for a cisco aironet card , the other is a sound card, |
| 17:13.09 | spdf | skullcap, Are you using the packaged kernel, or hav eyou compiled your own? |
| 17:13.24 | skullcap | I am using the packaged kernel |
| 17:13.41 | mwilson | skullcap: When was the aironet driver removed from the kernel? |
| 17:14.17 | toby | scarynetworkguy: mose won't come on now, no light at all :O |
| 17:14.20 | toby | mouse* |
| 17:14.31 | FlopsyPete | Flederfurzkopf: its more likely that you have the wrong settings in /etc/X11/XF86Config-4 |
| 17:14.33 | skullcap | it was never in there, when I walked through the install, my particular device wasn't listed , and there was no place to 'add from disk" |
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| 17:15.03 | Phated | skullcap: You don't think that maybe you'd need to... modprobe them? |
| 17:15.04 | scarynetworkguy | toby: You sure you have usb support in the kernel? |
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| 17:15.10 | skullcap | modprobe? |
| 17:15.11 | Flederfurzkopf | how can i edit them? |
| 17:15.11 | mwilson | I'll just get myself in trouble again. |
| 17:15.20 | toby | scarynetworkguy: I put in USB human interface support, but I think I neglected input core support |
| 17:15.22 | Phated | mwilson: Wise you are, Master. |
| 17:15.24 | scarynetworkguy | mwilson: Have fun storming the castle. |
| 17:15.27 | spdf | mwilson, Bah, Trouble? We'll all have a good laugh.. |
| 17:15.29 | sussudio | !dachs Flederfurzkopf |
| 17:15.29 | dpkg | Flederfurzkopf: Dachs Dachs Dachs Dachs Dachs Dachs Pilz Pilz Dachs Dachs Dachs Dachs Dachs Schlange! Eine Schlange! |
| 17:15.34 | toby | so I'm going to try and recompile the kernel with input core stuff, and hopefully that will work :O |
| 17:15.36 | jdhutchin1 | skullcap, what install program? |
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| 17:15.49 | scarynetworkguy | toby: What kernel? |
| 17:15.58 | toby | scarynetworkguy: 2.4.28 |
| 17:16.07 | skullcap | woody 3.0r default kernel, and vanilla |
| 17:16.13 | Flederfurzkopf | badger, badger, badger ... |
| 17:16.18 | blue_sky | part #debian whoops, auto joined but I want to be somewhere else |
| 17:16.19 | spdf | MUSHROOM MUSHROOM |
| 17:16.20 | scarynetworkguy | Oh god. I so don't remember 2.4 usb. |
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| 17:16.29 | scarynetworkguy | toby: Do you have hotplug and all that shite installed? |
| 17:16.30 | Phated | mwilson: Why not? It would be an enviable network. |
| 17:16.38 | toby | scarynetworkguy: I would have to say no :O |
| 17:16.45 | spdf | toby, install hotplug |
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| 17:16.55 | mwilson | Phated: To be really worth it, I'd have to upgrade ALL the house boxen. |
| 17:17.00 | scarynetworkguy | toby: Try that. Also was the machine booted with the mouse plugged in? |
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| 17:17.06 | Phated | mwilson: Upgrades are good. |
| 17:17.08 | toby | scarynetworkguy: aye, booted wit hthe mouse plugged in |
| 17:17.18 | mwilson | Phated: The three fileservers are all SMP P3/450's... I dunno if it'd be worth it on them. |
| 17:17.20 | prahal | mwilson: xenoboot or pxe ? |
| 17:17.23 | AciD | hi, in which package do you usually found the transset and xcompmgr program ? |
| 17:17.31 | caphuso | AciD: /msg dpkg search |
| 17:17.36 | mwilson | prahal: Excuse me? |
| 17:17.40 | Phated | mwilson: Hmm, why not? Breathe some new life into old boxes. :) |
| 17:17.43 | mwilson | AciD: None. |
| 17:17.59 | scarynetworkguy | toby: Yeah try hotplug. It's been a long time since I last farked around with a 2.4 on a desktop. But I do know I needed hotplug. Much as I hate to inflict that one someone. |
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| 17:18.01 | mwilson | Phated: But can they fill a gig pipe? |
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| 17:18.12 | toby | scarynetworkguy: should I restart? :O |
| 17:18.13 | scarynetworkguy | mwilson: Sure. |
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| 17:18.18 | spdf | AciD, Is that not Xorg? |
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| 17:18.22 | Phated | mwilson: Let me loose on them, you'll want to upgrade them to 10gig pipes soon. :) |
| 17:18.26 | paulswm | mwilson: I think it would be a challenge to see if you could get your network transmissions CPU bound, heh |
| 17:18.27 | skullcap | Is that what you mean, JD? |
| 17:18.38 | disposable | how do i mount a ntfs partition so that an ordinary user doesn't get no permission error? what mount options to add into fstab |
| 17:18.39 | scarynetworkguy | toby: Try hotplug first if not yes I've seen a boot sort it. Once again much as I hate that. |
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| 17:19.06 | mwilson | Most of the commonly available gig cards are crap anyway. |
| 17:19.09 | toby | scarynetworkguy: if hotplug doesn't solve it, would it be wise to move to 2.6? |
| 17:19.12 | abrotman | man mount |
| 17:19.14 | mwilson | So the CPU is doing all the work. |
| 17:19.21 | xsdg | disposable: NTFS? you have to specify the uid as a mount param; see mwilson |
| 17:19.23 | Phated | mwilson: No one says you need to go common. :) |
| 17:19.25 | paulswm | disposable: man mount |
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| 17:19.34 | asuffield | it's very unlikely that any contemporary PC hardware can saturate a 1Gbit network device |
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| 17:19.45 | Phated | scarynetworkguy: Shut up, now. |
| 17:19.45 | asuffield | because they can't haul 1Gbit over the southbridge in the first place |
| 17:19.46 | scarynetworkguy | toby: For a usb mouse? Hell no. |
| 17:19.50 | scarynetworkguy | Phated: Heh. |
| 17:19.51 | mwilson | asuffield: Rather the other way around, is what I said. |
| 17:19.59 | toby | scarynetworkguy: alright, gonna try to reboot :/ |
| 17:20.02 | disposable | xsdg: thankx |
| 17:20.06 | scarynetworkguy | toby: Good luck. |
| 17:20.18 | mwilson | asuffield: Can the poky boxen make good use of a gig interface? Who knows? |
| 17:20.34 | asuffield | at this point you normally get around 200-500Mbit out of the 1Gbit devices |
| 17:20.39 | Phated | mwilson: All depends what you're doing with them though, don't it? |
| 17:20.54 | prahal | disposable: or users , group option to have multiple users access the same nfs |
| 17:21.17 | asuffield | (still better than 100Mbit, mind) |
| 17:21.22 | AciD | caphuso dpkg isn't a good help for that |
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| 17:21.34 | mwilson | Nah, I'd have to open 'em all up, and build new kernels, and etc. Not worth the trouble. |
| 17:21.45 | caphuso | AciD: why not? |
| 17:21.55 | mwilson | And give up my nice 16-port switch. |
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| 17:22.13 | Phated | Giving up a nice switch, eh. |
| 17:22.15 | toby | scarynetworkguy: No dice :/ |
| 17:22.32 | AciD | it didn't know anything about those é words |
| 17:22.42 | spdf | Acid, xcompmgr and transset are for Xorg, aren't they? |
| 17:22.43 | xsdg | mwilson: I'll take it; don't worry about that ;o) |
| 17:22.51 | spdf | Acid, For the eye candy |
| 17:22.56 | scarynetworkguy | toby: Hold one. |
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| 17:23.01 | caphuso | spdf: yes |
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| 17:23.08 | kingsley_ | Does anyone here happen to know what to do when gunzip fails with "unexpected end of file"? |
| 17:23.09 | AciD | spdf > yes |
| 17:23.27 | Phated | You're not going to get xorg in Debian, yet. |
| 17:23.35 | AciD | i allready have |
| 17:23.48 | mwilson | AciD: No, you haven't. Debian does not package xorg. |
| 17:23.48 | Phated | Whoopee. |
| 17:23.49 | AciD | with ubuntu package though |
| 17:23.50 | grivell | toby: What is your motherboard? |
| 17:23.58 | tobehz | grivell: epox 8rda3i+ |
| 17:23.59 | caphuso | AciD: /topic |
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| 17:24.03 | AciD | i know the topic |
| 17:24.10 | Phated | Another bloody clueless user revealed. |
| 17:24.12 | mwilson | AciD: Well, then... use the ubuntu package for the tools you want. |
| 17:24.21 | AciD | i wondered if anybody using other repository knew the answer, that's all |
| 17:24.39 | grivell | tobehz: Do you have both EHCI and either (OHCI,UHCI?) enabled in the kernel? |
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| 17:24.49 | tobehz | UHCI is enabled iirc |
| 17:24.56 | mwilson | Wouldn't it depend on whatever the creator of this "other" repository chose to name the package? |
| 17:24.57 | Phated | Well... apt-cache search should be able to look through the Ubuntu sources, no? |
| 17:24.57 | tobehz | but there is no uhci module loaded, or anything |
| 17:25.00 | disposable | where can i find umask values? i want user to be able to r,x but not w |
| 17:25.20 | Phated | Google, ftlog. |
| 17:25.21 | mwilson | man umask |
| 17:25.30 | paulswm | kingsley_: evidently the file is truncated, if gzip gives you any output data that's all you're going to get |
| 17:25.32 | Phated | It can't be that hard to find a umask chart or something. |
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| 17:25.36 | grivell | tobehz: what kernel? |
| 17:25.38 | disposable | mwilson: there ain't no such thing. |
| 17:25.42 | tobehz | grivell: 2.4.28 |
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| 17:25.46 | mwilson | disposable: Except that there is, of course. |
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| 17:25.55 | tobehz | :/ |
| 17:25.59 | disposable | not on my computer there isn't |
| 17:26.04 | disposable | mwilson: not on my computer there isn't |
| 17:26.16 | mwilson | <shrug> I can't help that. |
| 17:26.25 | grivell | tobehz: I understand. But I don't remember a single thing about USB on 2.4. |
| 17:26.29 | scarynetworkguy | tobehz: http://www.scarynetworkguy.net/config has a working config. Grantee it's 2.6 but the USB options might help you figure out what if anything you need to add. |
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| 17:26.41 | tobehz | scarynetworkguy: thanks, ill see if that helps |
| 17:27.04 | scarynetworkguy | tobehz: Cool. Good luck. |
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| 17:28.06 | paulswm | disposable: man chmod, there is a umask but it's prolly in a development package as it's section 2 |
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| 17:29.19 | lakcaj | Does anyone know the name of a program for making presentations (like powerpoint) that uses opengl? I saw it once but for the life of me can't remember what it is called. Something like slinky or something, I think it might be written in python |
| 17:29.46 | Zylogue | scribus? will it do OpenGL? |
| 17:30.02 | mwilson | scribus is a poor-man's DTP package. |
| 17:30.03 | lakcaj | Zylogue, I think scribus is just a vector graphics program. |
| 17:30.04 | Zylogue | that is just a guess....I don't really knwo... |
| 17:30.07 | mwilson | Very poor. |
| 17:30.13 | disposable | paulswm: thank you |
| 17:30.14 | lakcaj | Zylogue, thanks though. |
| 17:30.18 | paulswm | disposable: yw |
| 17:30.32 | Skiver | is that possible to have 2 types of TTF shown in one string of text ? |
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| 17:30.53 | mwilson | Whyinhell do QT packages always think they need to replace the mouse cursor? |
| 17:31.34 | `DamN` | ask developers ;-) |
| 17:31.34 | paulswm | disposable: you can do man bash as well and search for umask (it's a builtin), but I don't think it has details like chmod does |
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| 17:31.37 | Phated | *shrugs* Turf war. |
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| 17:32.18 | mwilson | Of course, there's no option in qtconfig to tell them to leave the pointer the hell alone. |
| 17:32.26 | Phated | Of course. |
| 17:32.30 | kingk | I am gonna try xfce desktop. I have kde right now. How can I switch? |
| 17:32.35 | mwilson | If I bloody WANTED a whiteglass mouse pointer, I'd bloody well CHOOSE one. |
| 17:32.50 | Phated | You install xfce and start X with xfce. |
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| 17:33.04 | Phated | mwilson: Whiteglass...? |
| 17:33.08 | `DamN` | kingk: try insert line with "exec xfce" into your .xinitrc |
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| 17:33.22 | kingk | Phated. But my system goes straight to xdm on startup |
| 17:33.29 | mwilson | Phated: One of the idiotic mouse cursor themes that comes with XF430. |
| 17:33.39 | lakcaj | the all-knowing QT commands you.... WHITEGLASS! |
| 17:33.42 | Phated | kingk: OK, so kill xdm and do startx /usr/bin/xfce4 or whatever. |
| 17:33.47 | `DamN` | kingk: use ~/.xsession instead of .xinitrc |
| 17:33.49 | Phated | mwilson: I see. |
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| 17:33.53 | kingk | Phated. ok cool |
| 17:34.05 | Phated | kingk: Actually, you can just use startxcfe4. |
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| 17:34.08 | mwilson | Phated: My box uses standard cursors. I got such theming stupidity out of my system ages ago. |
| 17:34.22 | Phated | mwilson: Define standard. Your world varies from mine. :) |
| 17:34.26 | kingk | Phated. Awesome |
| 17:34.35 | Phated | kingk: Huzzah. |
| 17:34.35 | mwilson | Phated: As in no mouse theming. |
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| 17:34.44 | Phated | mwilson: As in big X thing? |
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| 17:35.05 | mwilson | As in normal mouse cursors, those provided by cursor.xcf |
| 17:35.09 | Phated | Or just a normal, undecorated pointer? |
| 17:35.13 | Phated | Ahh, right. |
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| 17:35.19 | raven_ | hi, does "bzImage" use the came compression as "vmlinuz"? or is one bzip and the other gzip? |
| 17:35.29 | kingk | Phated: Huzzah? |
| 17:35.31 | mwilson | But QT, being KDE, thinks it knows better. |
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| 17:35.40 | Phated | kingk: Yeah huzzah for you getting it working or whatever. |
| 17:35.53 | kingk | Phated: Is that Hebrew? |
| 17:35.57 | Phated | mwilson: Yes, yes... Rant it all out, you'll feel better... Maybe. |
| 17:36.11 | Phated | kingk: No idea. I picked it up from some movie. |
| 17:36.12 | mwilson | I've never found where it's controlled from, and I'm not going to load all the KDE crap just to change it and then have to peel it all out again. |
| 17:36.45 | mwilson | I so seldom use anything QT-based that it's usually not an issue. |
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| 17:36.59 | Phated | Until you see the cursor and snap, of course. :) |
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| 17:37.31 | mwilson | scribus is QT, and there's something else, I forget what. |
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| 17:37.48 | Phated | The KDE cd-burning thing? |
| 17:37.54 | kingk | Phated: Can I run both KDE and xfce4 at the same time? |
| 17:38.04 | mwilson | K3B? Gods, no... whyinhell would I ever use crap like that? |
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| 17:38.17 | Phated | kingk: Not really, no. You can start two xservers, don't see why you'd want to do that. |
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| 17:38.20 | scarynetworkguy | kingk: With a lot of hacking yes you can run KDE on top of xfce4 |
| 17:38.30 | scarynetworkguy | mwilson: What do you use to burn with? |
| 17:38.31 | Phated | kingk: You -can- use like KDE apps in XFCE and whatever. |
| 17:38.38 | kingk | phated: I don't want to log out my current KDE session here |
| 17:38.38 | mwilson | scarynetworkguy: cdrecord |
| 17:38.42 | Phated | scarynetworkguy: A needle and a flame, of course. |
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| 17:38.44 | scarynetworkguy | mwilson: Nice. |
| 17:38.50 | Phated | kingk: Er... Too bad. :) |
| 17:38.57 | scarynetworkguy | Phated: Heh. |
| 17:38.58 | mwilson | scarynetworkguy: growisofs or cdrecord-ProDVD for DVD's |
| 17:39.04 | kingk | Ok guys thanks for help. C ya |
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| 17:39.10 | Phated | cdparanoia to rip, no doubt. :) |
| 17:39.14 | scarynetworkguy | mwilson: Cool. |
| 17:39.16 | mwilson | I don't rip. |
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| 17:39.19 | paulswm | raven_: a bzImage is a kernel (vmlinuz with a different name) AFAIK |
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| 17:39.24 | Phated | Ah. |
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| 17:39.45 | bwbettin | when using 'screen' with multiple split windows, is it possible to remove the information bar at the bottom of each window (lists the window # and name)? |
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| 17:39.52 | raven_ | paulswm: yea, but do both of them use the same compression scheme, namely bzip2? |
| 17:39.53 | mwilson | Phated: Don't have any reason to. |
| 17:40.08 | Phated | mwilson: Good on you. :) |
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| 17:40.31 | null-n-void | If I use cfdisk on the Debian install to wipe the partition table, will I lose all the data on the disk? |
| 17:40.42 | scarynetworkguy | bwbettin: If it is http://www.dotfiles.com will have a config that will show you how. |
| 17:40.53 | Phated | Not until you choose to write the partition table. |
| 17:40.59 | bwbettin | scarynetworkguy, thank you, i'll go see what I can find. |
| 17:41.11 | scarynetworkguy | bwbettin: Have fun. |
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| 17:41.20 | mwilson | ripperx is still gtk1 |
| 17:41.36 | null-n-void | Phated: even if I was to create a new NTFS partition in the beginning, all that NTFS data would be deleted? |
| 17:41.40 | Phated | Nothing wrong with GTK1. Just a bit uglier than GTK2, |
| 17:41.57 | Phated | null-n-void: If it's a new partition, what data is there on it? |
| 17:42.02 | raven_ | i'm trying to make a netinstal CD using the 2.6.10 kernel. If I take one of the existing netinstal d-i images, mount it, and make a new directry for it in /install/ and edit the boot scripts, will the work? Or, do I need to build one from scratch, using debain-cd package or something? |
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| 17:42.43 | alainm | will Sarge installer install the smp kernel if it detects multi processor? |
| 17:42.46 | setuid | Can someone give me a hint as to how to set man2html up as a CGI? The manpage for it (ironically-enough), doesn't go into any useful detail on how to set that up. |
| 17:42.47 | Phated | Well... at least he died happy... |
| 17:43.06 | mwilson | Poorly written application. |
| 17:43.06 | paulswm | raven_: Like I said they are the same except for the names |
| 17:43.15 | raven_ | palswm: ok, cool |
| 17:43.20 | Phated | mwilson: Hell wouldn't keep you there, eh. |
| 17:43.24 | paulswm | raven_: np |
| 17:43.46 | scarynetworkguy | Heh. |
| 17:43.48 | paulswm | raven_: you could prolly confirm that in the Kernel HOWTO |
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| 17:44.08 | SlashBot | DEBIAN IS SHIT |
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| 17:44.17 | Phated | Ho hum. |
| 17:44.17 | mwilson | Of course, GTK programmers never seem to care how much crud their stuff spews to stdout/stderr |
| 17:44.22 | SlashBot | DEBIAN IS SHIT |
| 17:44.24 | SlashBot | DEBIAN IS SHIT |
| 17:44.26 | spdf | OooOomGMGMGMGOMOGM!?!?! GOLSGOASG LOMG OMG!! |
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| 17:44.33 | daft- | sigh |
| 17:44.37 | Phated | Oh well. |
| 17:44.40 | scarynetworkguy | !ops SlashBot |
| 17:44.41 | Phated | !ops SlashBot |
| 17:44.41 | dpkg | Hydroxide, bob2, caphuso, dondelelcaro, doogie, eeyore-, ElectricElf, greycat, helix, ljlane, LoRez, mentor, Netsnipe, TML, walters, xk: SlashBot |
| 17:44.47 | scarynetworkguy | Jinx. |
| 17:44.56 | Phated | I owe you, yadda yadda, I know. :) |
| 17:45.00 | scarynetworkguy | Heh. |
| 17:45.01 | SlashBot | DEBIAN IS SHIT |
| 17:45.09 | SlashBot | ooh |
| 17:45.10 | SlashBot | no ops |
| 17:45.10 | myren | whats the cypherpunk newpaper login? |
| 17:45.11 | SlashBot | shame |
| 17:45.23 | myren | wow, you ARE a dead ringer for slashdot. |
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| 17:45.39 | SlashBot | DEBIAN IS SHIT |
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| 17:45.41 | Phated | *yawn* Another Monday, another troll. |
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| 17:45.45 | paulswm | what a wanker |
| 17:45.46 | Spg | oh my goodness |
| 17:45.51 | mwilson | Today is sunday |
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| 17:45.54 | SlashBot | ooh thanks |
| 17:45.59 | SlashBot | Thanks for the tip. =) |
| 17:45.59 | Phated | mwilson: Monday. |
| 17:46.00 | myren | there's a standard login for all newspapers, anyone remember? |
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| 17:46.04 | bwbettin | scarynetworkguy, it doesn't appear that there's a way to disable, but I can make it blank without any text. Thanks for the linkage. |
| 17:46.06 | scarynetworkguy | mwilson: The Earth is round and stuff. |
| 17:46.13 | scarynetworkguy | bwbettin: Cool. |
| 17:46.20 | rob0 | the Earth is stuffed? |
| 17:46.31 | spdf | rob0, With rock and hot magma... |
| 17:46.32 | Phated | With molten rock and iron, yeah. |
| 17:46.36 | Phated | Jinx. |
| 17:46.40 | rob0 | YUM! |
| 17:46.42 | spdf | Maaaagma! |
| 17:46.50 | Phated | Oh don't talk about YUM. |
| 17:46.51 | mwilson | I've always liked man2html... I have a keybinding that launches it with the text in PRIMARY |
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| 17:46.58 | rob0 | A chewy center! |
| 17:47.02 | *** mode/#debian [-o bob2] by bob2 |
| 17:47.20 | daft- | to late bob2 |
| 17:47.23 | Phated | rob0: Actually, it's crispy on the outside, chewey in the middle, and crunchy on the inside. |
| 17:47.27 | spdf | I want more pictures of Titan... |
| 17:47.33 | flux | my pure-ftpd does't start when setting options "--tls 1" or "--tls 2". works fine with "--tls 0" (disabled). hmm, anyone an idea... |
| 17:47.34 | scarynetworkguy | Heh. |
| 17:47.46 | scarynetworkguy | flux: Use sftp. |
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| 17:49.36 | raven_ | any of you know how to make a netinstal CD with that boots with a custom kernel? |
| 17:50.00 | flux | scarynetworkguy: sftp != ftps |
| 17:50.10 | Phated | But sftp fun. |
| 17:50.24 | scarynetworkguy | Yes it is. |
| 17:50.37 | flux | okay |
| 17:50.39 | bbrazil | theres no easy way to stop shell access if you have sftp access |
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| 17:50.57 | Phated | Well... yeah. |
| 17:51.02 | stew | there's not? |
| 17:51.12 | myren | cypherpunk/cypherpunk is the login you dolts. |
| 17:51.16 | Phated | stew: An sftp account is pretty much a shell account. |
| 17:51.16 | caphuso | !info scponly |
| 17:51.22 | dpkg | scponly: (Restricts the commands available to scp- and sftp-users), section utils, is optional. Version: 4.0-1 (sid), Packaged size: 28 kB, Installed size: 160 kB |
| 17:51.32 | Phated | Ooo. |
| 17:51.42 | bbrazil | scp blah ~/.ssh/authorized_keys |
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| 17:51.57 | bbrazil | add ability to force a command in that file... |
| 17:52.01 | abauer | hi. how can i show all available version of a package that i could install with apt-get install <packagename>=<version>? |
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| 17:52.26 | tobehz | scarynetworkguy: x starts now, but the mouse doesn't move ~_~ |
| 17:52.29 | Phated | abauer: apt-cache show <packagename> |
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| 17:52.46 | abauer | Phated: that only shows the latest version |
| 17:52.47 | tobehz | and i can do the cat /dev/input/mice, but it just sits there |
| 17:52.50 | Phated | abauer: Actually... That's only going to show the latest, my bad. |
| 17:53.00 | DaCa | bbrazil: scponly solves this |
| 17:53.04 | scarynetworkguy | tobehz: What do you have in your config for the mouse? |
| 17:53.06 | kingk | I back now using xfce4. All the excitement has now since past |
| 17:53.16 | tobehz | scarynetworkguy: /dev/input/mice, and ExplorerPS/2 |
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| 17:53.54 | bbrazil | DaCa: thats nice to know |
| 17:54.35 | flux | with sftp you can connnect even when no ftp is running. its more a shell login with enhanced put commands |
| 17:55.07 | myren | does it just use cat and echo or something? |
| 17:55.23 | myren | i've always been massively curious how sftp and scp can be client side only |
| 17:56.01 | myren | it has to rely on something in your shell to execute. what can you remove to break them. ;) |
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| 17:57.17 | FalscherHase | abauer: apt-cache policy <package> |
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| 17:57.53 | scarynetworkguy | tobehz: you might try ImPS/2 That's what I have here. |
| 17:58.23 | tobehz | scarynetworkguy: just tried that a second ago, to no avail :/ |
| 17:58.42 | tobehz | If I unplug the mouse and plug it back in, hotplug recognizes this, and /dev/input/mice is a real device |
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| 17:58.48 | tobehz | but it's like it just refuses to interface |
| 17:58.54 | tobehz | interact, rather. |
| 17:59.00 | scarynetworkguy | tobehz: What do you have for Driver? |
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| 17:59.08 | tobehz | scarynetworkguy: mouse |
| 17:59.23 | tobehz | actually |
| 17:59.24 | tobehz | no driver |
| 17:59.35 | tobehz | nevermind im blind, it's mouse :p |
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| 17:59.59 | scarynetworkguy | tobehz: Meh. Don't know what to tell you. Works here. |
| 18:00.03 | tobehz | :/ |
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| 18:00.09 | abauer | FalscherHase: cool. thanks! |
| 18:00.12 | spdf | tobehz, What kind of mouse do you have? |
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| 18:00.44 | tobehz | spdf: Microsoft Intellimouse Optical |
| 18:00.46 | tobehz | 5 button version |
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| 18:01.17 | spdf | tobehz, 2.4 kernel right? |
| 18:01.38 | tobehz | spdf: yep |
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| 18:02.04 | spdf | tobehz, lsmod | grep usb |
| 18:02.17 | tobehz | usb-ohci |
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| 18:02.33 | spdf | tobehz, Just that? |
| 18:02.36 | tobehz | aye |
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| 18:03.35 | spdf | tobehz, check lsmod again for usbcore, hid, and mousedev |
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| 18:03.46 | patter | does anyone know how to set the FQDN of a linux server (2 networks) the login hostname is a local one, different from the external hostname which its IPs resolve to |
| 18:03.48 | tobehz | no usbcore |
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| 18:03.51 | tobehz | hid and mousedev are there |
| 18:03.55 | spdf | tobehz, modprobe usbcore |
| 18:04.06 | tobehz | cannot locate module usbcore |
| 18:04.20 | spdf | er.. |
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| 18:04.44 | spdf | You using the packaged 2.4 kernel right? |
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| 18:04.50 | tobehz | err, no |
| 18:04.54 | tobehz | custom kernel |
| 18:05.07 | tobehz | and now that I think of it, I might have put USB support to built-in, instead of module |
| 18:05.15 | spdf | tobehz, Check to see if you're building the usbcore module... |
| 18:05.26 | FalscherHase | I need help installing sarge on a laptop: the first installation part from a fresh netinst-cd works well (but needs kernel option nolapic). When it comes to the reboot for the second half it hangs during the pci part of hotplug. i tried blacklisting some pci related modules for both hotplug and discover but without success. I was then able to finish the installation with the kernel option pci=off. now obviously i am without network. now the question |
| 18:05.27 | FalscherHase | : how do i find out what modules the hotplug-pci would try to load so i can blacklist the faulty ones? |
| 18:05.30 | spdf | tobehz, May as well leave them as modules, doens't hurt.. |
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| 18:06.06 | rob0 | FalscherHase: pcimodules(8) |
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| 18:06.09 | |XO2| | hmmm |
| 18:06.27 | tobehz | spdf: recompiling kernel with usb support as a module |
| 18:06.30 | tobehz | maybe this will work :O |
| 18:06.32 | hid3 | my machine is on a lan with 5 segments.Segments are reachiable via router: each segment has a different subnet ip: 192.168.*.1-255. my machine has 2 IPs (on one device): internet public ip and 192.168.1.1, netmask 255.255.255.0. When I try to ping lets say 192.168.2.1, it pings from my internet IP. Is there any way to make the pc communicate using only 192.168.1.1 IP in 192.168 subnet class? I guess it needs a route or smth but I dunno what :( |
| 18:06.44 | spdf | tobehz, Build all the usb modules (just an extra couple of minutes) |
| 18:06.50 | tobehz | alright |
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| 18:07.17 | FalscherHase | rob0: well with pci enabled the system does not boot. with pci turned off pcimodules does not give anything. |
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| 18:07.47 | rob0 | oh, well I wasn't following the discussion, hmm. |
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| 18:08.54 | rob0 | I think I'd approach that one from a hardware angle: take out nonessential cards, add back in one at a time |
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| 18:09.00 | spdf | tobehz, also, you should use the IMPS/2 protocol (since you have an intellimouse) |
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| 18:09.11 | tobehz | spdf: alright |
| 18:09.23 | FalscherHase | rob0: its a laptop without any extra hardware attached :) |
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| 18:09.34 | toad__ | hi. how do i most quickly set up a boot server on sid? i'm having some motherboard problems and might be able to etherboot it... |
| 18:09.37 | tobehz | rebooting now, ill see if it works :P |
| 18:09.48 | spdf | tobehz, Alright |
| 18:09.59 | rob0 | FalscherHase: and you looked it up on Google/Linux-on-laptops? |
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| 18:11.13 | spdf | FalscherHase, What kind of laptop was it again? Dell something right? |
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| 18:11.36 | FalscherHase | spdf: no, its a acer travelmate 4002WLMi |
| 18:11.39 | toad__ | is there an easy package to set up a boot server? |
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| 18:11.59 | toad__ | something i could get working in less than half an hour? |
| 18:12.08 | streuner_ | toad__: a what? |
| 18:12.18 | FalscherHase | toad__: tftpd-hpa ? |
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| 18:12.40 | toby | spdf: you're the man ^^ |
| 18:12.51 | FalscherHase | toad__: you'll need dhcp, too |
| 18:12.51 | spdf | toby, usbcore right? |
| 18:13.04 | toby | aye |
| 18:13.22 | spdf | toby, I figured. I had the same problem back in the day with 2.4 and hotplug not loading usbcore.. |
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| 18:13.42 | spdf | toby, Add it to your /etc/modules, or modconf it in... |
| 18:13.43 | FalscherHase | rob0: i found the suggestion to blacklist agppart shpchp and pciehp. i did that, but it didn't change. |
| 18:13.52 | spdf | toby, unless hotplug did it for you, in that case, good stuff.. |
| 18:13.53 | toad__ | i have dhcp |
| 18:14.00 | toby | aye |
| 18:14.03 | toad__ | i know dhcp works or at least it did a couple of weeks back |
| 18:14.06 | toby | everything loaded automatically |
| 18:14.14 | spdf | toby, Awesome possum.. |
| 18:14.21 | toby | spdf: thanks much :> |
| 18:14.22 | spdf | toby, Glad I could help yah out,., |
| 18:14.28 | toby | i'm glad too heh |
| 18:14.38 | toad__ | tftpd or tftpd-hpa ? |
| 18:14.47 | toad__ | and do i have to set everything else up by hand? |
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| 18:15.19 | spdf | FalscherHase, Which installation are you booting 2.4 or 2.6, or is there no difference? |
| 18:15.55 | FalscherHase | toad__: tftpd-hpa does PXE and the other doesn't. (while i dont know what that means) |
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| 18:16.04 | FalscherHase | spdf: 2.6 |
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| 18:16.44 | dbron | hi all, I want to pipe line 263 to 1243 into mysql, will cat accept line number args? |
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| 18:17.20 | bbrazil | dbron: sed -mp '263,1243p' (IIRC) |
| 18:17.22 | bbrazil | -np |
| 18:17.32 | dbron | bbrazil: ty |
| 18:17.37 | bbrazil | bah -ne |
| 18:17.42 | dbron | heh |
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| 18:18.51 | elnovato | nice and good ftp server? |
| 18:19.06 | FalscherHase | rob0: the agpgart boot message still turns up... did i miss something? |
| 18:19.08 | mage__ | pureftpd |
| 18:19.12 | mage__ | or vsftpd |
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| 18:19.28 | toad__ | i've installed tftpd-hpa |
| 18:19.36 | toad__ | what now? |
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| 18:20.45 | elnovato | proftpd? |
| 18:21.03 | adjacent | scp =) |
| 18:21.18 | faw | elnovato, vsftpd |
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| 18:21.39 | toad__ | i suppose it's a matter of read the howto? last time i tried there was a package which pretty much set up a boot server, that's all... |
| 18:21.47 | bbhill | http://webpages.charter.net/todd32586/1337.jpg |
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| 18:22.59 | nostalg1c | "if that annoys you, obviously you aren't used to much on irc." |
| 18:22.59 | hid3 | how can I add more than one default router? lets say, my netcard has got 2 IPs: one router is defined in /etc/network/interfaces, and the other IP has no router.. Is it possible to add a router for the second IP also? |
| 18:23.04 | nostalg1c | can anyone tell me if that's proper english |
| 18:23.06 | nostalg1c | and if not, why ? |
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| 18:23.29 | mentor | The stable is now securely bolted. |
| 18:23.57 | scarynetworkguy | Go go gadget mentor |
| 18:23.58 | FalscherHase | toad__: was that nfsbooted? |
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| 18:24.51 | elnovato | an config interface for vsftpd? |
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| 18:25.09 | bytecolor | can someone 'splain how to perform an action on all/some files found with 'find' |
| 18:25.09 | bytecolor | like say I want to copy them somewhere |
| 18:25.44 | kingk | whats you favourite desptop environment. I am currently trying out xfce4, but its bar at the bottom is annoying me |
| 18:25.48 | rob0 | FalscherHase: how are you getting in to change things? A live CD, or another Linux install? |
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| 18:26.09 | keko_ | hi |
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| 18:26.20 | caphuso | bytecolor: find ... -print0 | xargs -0 cp --target-directory=/wherever |
| 18:26.27 | msamsing | kingk: i think you are able to remove the bar |
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| 18:26.34 | kingk | yeah you are |
| 18:26.35 | stew | bytecolor: info find, read the actions section |
| 18:26.46 | spdf | FalscherHase, Try blacklisting hw_random |
| 18:26.46 | kingk | I haven't figured it out yet |
| 18:26.56 | kingk | plus I want to clock to remain |
| 18:27.00 | FalscherHase | rob0: either i boot with pci=off, then i have a naked installation with almost nothing installed and without network. or i can boot a current knoppix (without X, but that shouldnt matter) |
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| 18:27.09 | FalscherHase | spdf: ok, ill try that |
| 18:27.24 | spdf | FalscherHase, , I'm just pulling things out of google on your laptop, so that's 50/50... |
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| 18:27.39 | msamsing | kingk: you want the clock to look like the one in xfce, or does that matter? |
| 18:27.42 | rob0 | FalscherHase: http://www.about-linux.com/notebook/#english |
| 18:27.48 | elnovato | vsftp sucks |
| 18:27.49 | spdf | rob0, That's where I'm at.. |
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| 18:28.21 | msamsing | kingk: otherwise you could use torsmo ... clock and lots of other nice info |
| 18:28.24 | emes | how can i make it so that it doesnt set xdm to start on boot every time it updates x11? |
| 18:28.44 | caphuso | emes: apt-get remove xdm |
| 18:28.44 | kingk | msamsing, it doesn't matter. Also, I found how to remove the taskbar but not the menu bar at the bottom which is what I want to remove |
| 18:28.48 | Phated | emes: Uninstall xdm? |
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| 18:29.17 | caphuso | or don't use stupid things like "update-rc.d -f xdm remove" |
| 18:29.18 | emes | Phated: i never installed it in the first place |
| 18:29.33 | msamsing | kingk: i dont know howto ... :( |
| 18:29.35 | Phated | emes: No, you did, otherwise it wouldn't -start- it. |
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| 18:29.40 | scarynetworkguy | emes: It comes with X, by defualt. |
| 18:29.53 | msamsing | kingk: i just know that you can do it |
| 18:30.03 | toresbe | My CPU is 0 idle :S |
| 18:30.07 | toresbe | Cpu(s): 5.2% us, 3.9% sy, 90.3% ni, 0.0% id, 0.0% wa, 0.3% hi, 0.3% si |
| 18:30.14 | Phated | toresbe: That's not a bad thing. |
| 18:30.24 | scarynetworkguy | toresbe: Yeah. So? |
| 18:30.27 | kingk | msamsing, I will figure it out. so can I apt-get install torsmo? |
| 18:30.27 | toresbe | What does the "ni" figure mean? |
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| 18:30.36 | adjacent | process is marke mice. |
| 18:30.41 | adjacent | err. marked nice |
| 18:30.42 | Phated | No idea. Probably telling you to stop masturbating over it. |
| 18:30.43 | scarynetworkguy | toresbe: man top :) |
| 18:30.46 | PinkBunny | is there some tool I can use to ghost windows ..... like make image of sample client and then ghost it on other clients over network (like serve it over nfs, netboot knoppix on clients and install images on their hdds) ? |
| 18:30.50 | scarynetworkguy | Heh. |
| 18:30.55 | toresbe | scarynetworkguy: Ah, thanks |
| 18:31.02 | Phated | Well, you know what he's like around hardware. |
| 18:31.10 | scarynetworkguy | Heh. |
| 18:31.11 | emes | PinkBunny: dd :) |
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| 18:31.21 | scarynetworkguy | Yes yes indeed. |
| 18:31.26 | PinkBunny | emes: there has to be more to it ;) |
| 18:31.27 | kingk | so who uses two monitors on their system. I have been planning on doing that for decades but never braved the storm |
| 18:31.38 | msamsing | kingk: yes |
| 18:31.38 | adjacent | i use two monitors |
| 18:31.41 | spdf | kingk, I do.. |
| 18:31.44 | emes | PinkBunny: if the hardware is exactly the same, that will do the job |
| 18:31.47 | scarynetworkguy | PinkBunny: Ghost. |
| 18:31.51 | mythsmith | hi! I have 2 debian computers connected in my LAN through a hub, and to the internet with a router. Reading the logs of the router, i see many warnings, as **LAND**, **IP Sproofing**, **SYN Flood to Host**. Mostly, these warnings reguards connections between my IP and my IP, or between my IP and 127.0.0.1, or my IP and an internal lan ip. Is that normal? |
| 18:32.00 | FalscherHase | rob0, spdf: ok so blacklisting hw_random did not help. i wonder why i still get the agpgart line on boot although i have blacklisted it, too. is it pulled in by some other module or does my blacklisting not work? |
| 18:32.03 | kingk | Cool: Its not difficult to do is it? |
| 18:32.13 | paulswm | PinkBunny: ntfsclone |
| 18:32.25 | adjacent | kingk: its a breeze. add a second video card, edit XF86Config, enable xinerama, restart x |
| 18:32.36 | paulswm | PinkBunny: I use ntfsclone all the time, image over network, it's great |
| 18:32.41 | spdf | FalscherHase, You'd still see it on boot, but it would say blacklisted beside it (if your blacklisting worked) |
| 18:32.41 | tarzeau | where does gnome look for backgroud images (system wide)? |
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| 18:32.44 | PinkBunny | paulswm: great |
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| 18:33.23 | adjacent | kingk: i was the same way until a few months ago. it literally took at most an hour to install it and figure out how to get it working |
| 18:33.32 | DarkAnt | hi, i'm a complete noob and i don't really know what i'm doing so please be patient with my stupidity. My box is primarily a windows box with a 30 gig linux partition. I recently aquired SuSE 9.2 and realized that I hate it. I want to install Debian over it, but I'm not sure how. If someone could point me in the right direction that'd be great. Thanks in advance |
| 18:33.34 | tarzeau | where does kde look for backgroud images (system wide)? |
| 18:33.49 | emes | caphuso: when i do apt-get remove xdm, it wants to remove x-window-system too... |
| 18:33.51 | kingk | adjacent, I am gonna do it right now in a few mins |
| 18:33.51 | spdf | tarzeau, /usr/share/wallpaper or something liek that I believe.. |
| 18:33.59 | caphuso | emes: sure |
| 18:34.01 | tarzeau | DarkAnt: download the first iso image of the sarge installer or so. and install over it |
| 18:34.04 | spdf | emes, x-window depends on xdm... |
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| 18:34.09 | adjacent | kingk: cool. its a huge performance boost if you do alot of programming |
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| 18:34.14 | DarkAnt | and install over what? |
| 18:34.15 | tarzeau | spdf: i need to know it exactly. and no i won't install gnome or kde to find out |
| 18:34.16 | toresbe | Why the hell is my CPU at 100%!?! There are no processes using the maching, the machine is snappy, but the CPU load meter is at 100%! |
| 18:34.21 | rob0 | DarkAnt: I can't guess what your question is |
| 18:34.29 | kingk | adjacent, I have to edit XF86COnfig. I can't run deb-pkg reconfigure? |
| 18:34.33 | caphuso | emes: installing x-window-system is what got you xdm in the first place |
| 18:34.37 | DarkAnt | [13:34] tarzeau: DarkAnt: download the first iso image of the sarge installer or so. and install over it |
| 18:34.38 | spdf | tarzeau, one sec.. |
| 18:34.40 | DarkAnt | what is it? |
| 18:34.45 | emes | caphuso: ok... but i dont want xdm coming up at boot, how can i make that permanent? |
| 18:34.48 | adjacent | kingk: i have dual monitors on a slack box right now, so im not sure |
| 18:34.49 | tarzeau | DarkAnt: www.debian.org/devel/debian-installer/ |
| 18:34.56 | tarzeau | DarkAnt: you don't know what an .iso image is? |
| 18:35.08 | DarkAnt | yeah i do |
| 18:35.10 | caphuso | emes: still "apt-get remove xdm". now stop being stupid |
| 18:35.14 | DarkAnt | i have them burnt on a cd already |
| 18:35.22 | tarzeau | DarkAnt: can you burn that to cd, so it keeps bootable? |
| 18:35.24 | paulswm | PinkBunny: if you want a CD with it on so you can image an XP-only pc over the network, get SystemRescueCD from here, it will set up your network card and it has a recent ntfsclone on it, so all you have to do is mount an ntfs share on the receiving computer and you can image over to it with ntfsclonehttp://www.sysresccd.org/ |
| 18:35.31 | tarzeau | DarkAnt: can you boot it then? why them? one is enough |
| 18:35.31 | kingk | adjacent, what desktop environment do you use |
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| 18:35.48 | paulswm | PinkBunny: here, sorry: http://www.sysresccd.org/ |
| 18:35.58 | msamsing | adjacent: get what working? |
| 18:35.58 | emes | caphuso: ??? i cant have x11 without xdm coming up at boot??? |
| 18:36.02 | smo | hi all i got a problem with lufs module, please help |
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| 18:36.12 | adjacent | kingk: kde, but its all handled in the X server if you use xinerama to stretch the desktop to 2048x768 or similar |
| 18:36.12 | smo | lufs: disagrees about version of symbol generic_file_open (dmesg) |
| 18:36.17 | DarkAnt | yes, i can boot. I just don't know how to go about getting rid of SuSE and installing debian. I don't want to have SuSE and debian on the same box |
| 18:36.19 | paulswm | s/ntfs/nfs/ |
| 18:36.19 | caphuso | emes: of course you can. by running "apt-get remove xdm", FFS |
| 18:36.20 | resiak | toresbe: Your CPU meter is borken? |
| 18:36.25 | sep | toresbe: tried 'top' ? |
| 18:36.45 | spdf | tarzeau, /usr/share/wallpapers is where kdewallpapers installs too, so I'm guessing it's there.. |
| 18:36.52 | rob0 | DarkAnt: simply install on the same partition SuSE is using |
| 18:36.53 | DarkAnt | its probably really easy to do, i just don't know what i'm doing |
| 18:36.55 | kingk | adjacent, what is xinerama? Tell me more about it |
| 18:36.56 | adjacent | or 1024x1536 if you want to stack the monitors ;) |
| 18:37.08 | adjacent | kingk: google |
| 18:37.14 | kingk | k |
| 18:37.14 | resiak | !xinerama |
| 18:37.15 | emes | caphuso: so i dont need x-window-system for x? |
| 18:37.15 | dpkg | xinerama is probably where you have several monitors but only one logical desktop -- XFree86 4.0 has it!, or http://www.ibiblio.org/pub/Linux/docs/HOWTO/other-formats/html_single/Xinerama-HOWTO.html |
| 18:37.21 | caphuso | emes: of course not |
| 18:37.23 | kingk | !xinerama |
| 18:37.29 | resiak | kingk: erm. |
| 18:37.37 | tarzeau | spdf: could you touch /usr/share/wallpapers/some.jpg and try if it appears in your gnome/kde? |
| 18:37.38 | paulswm | PinkBunny: pls don't /msg me, thx |
| 18:37.41 | findme | which firewire works with debian ? |
| 18:37.54 | emes | caphuso: maybe they could pick a better name then |
| 18:37.55 | paulswm | PinkBunny: np |
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| 18:38.01 | HjemmeRoyK | hi |
| 18:38.10 | caphuso | emes: the description is pretty clear about it being a meta package |
| 18:38.14 | spdf | tarzeau, I have gnome..you have to hit the "Add Wallpaper" button for it to show up in the list.. |
| 18:38.17 | DarkAnt | rob0: "DarkAnt: simply install on the same partition SuSE is using" thats what i'm asking. how? |
| 18:38.18 | PinkBunny | is there some solution for that? |
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| 18:38.30 | HjemmeRoyK | is it possible to install debian over the network (frrom the internet) after booting off a floppy or two, or do I need all 20? |
| 18:38.46 | rob0 | DarkAnt: is the machine booted in SuSE now? |
| 18:38.47 | jethro | HjemmeRoyK: you usually need 3 4 floppies not more |
| 18:38.54 | kingk | HjemmeRoyK, Of course |
| 18:38.56 | dampjam | Is there an easy way in debian to set up jailed users? |
| 18:39.06 | DarkAnt | no, i booted it with the debian disk 1 |
| 18:39.15 | emes | caphuso: and there's no way to have a package installed without it automaticly coming up at boot? |
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| 18:39.15 | rob0 | good |
| 18:39.16 | paulswm | PinkBunny: if you mean boot.ini because of partition changes, there is a tool for editing boot.ini from a DOS disk, lemme see if I can find it |
| 18:39.24 | caphuso | emes: there is |
| 18:39.36 | kingk | you need at least root & rescue plus 4 dirver floppies |
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| 18:39.42 | tarzeau | HjemmeRoyK: i installed my alpha without any floppy |
| 18:39.46 | resiak | emes: update-rc.d |
| 18:40.05 | emes | resiak: i know... but you have to do that ever time the package is updated... |
| 18:40.11 | jethro | tarzeau: bootp? |
| 18:40.11 | new2imap | hi everyone, i cant seem to add a user to proftpd so that his upload dir, is in another persons account |
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| 18:40.17 | emes | *every |
| 18:40.18 | tarzeau | jethro: netboot yes |
| 18:40.19 | rob0 | Does a Debian boot CD give you a shell, like Slackware? I've never installed Debian ... |
| 18:40.21 | jethro | ok |
| 18:40.25 | resiak | emes: What do you want xdm to do?! |
| 18:40.28 | scarynetworkguy | rob0: yes. |
| 18:40.34 | tarzeau | rob0: yes on vt2 |
| 18:40.44 | findme | rob0, its much better than slackware's. |
| 18:40.46 | rob0 | ok DarkAnt, do alt-F2 |
| 18:41.00 | resiak | emes: Why do you want xdm if you don't want it to start on boot? That's kinda redundant. |
| 18:41.00 | paulswm | PinkBunny: is that what you mean, you need to be able to edit Windows boot loader's boot.ini so you can put XP on a different partition? |
| 18:41.01 | adjacent | findme: heh. i dont think #slackware would agree =) |
| 18:41.07 | DarkAnt | lol |
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| 18:41.13 | msamsing | have any of you used apt-build ?? |
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| 18:41.14 | DarkAnt | alright, then what? |
| 18:41.18 | findme | adjacent, i dont care |
| 18:41.26 | rob0 | DarkAnt: then "fdisk -l" and paste in #flood |
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| 18:41.53 | emes | resiak: ok, what about something else like samba? |
| 18:42.05 | kingk | so to have two monitors they must have same resolution |
| 18:42.14 | PinkBunny | paulswm: I actually want to install windowxp image on clients hdd and have win boot loader in mbr :) |
| 18:42.26 | spdf | tarzeau, I'm almost certain they show up in KDE when it's in /usr/share/wallpapers, but I'm not about to install kde to check for yah :) |
| 18:42.27 | resiak | emes: Again, I'm kinda lost as to what you would want Samba to do. If you mean only serve up files when you want it to, then ... meh, why? |
| 18:42.28 | DarkAnt | that it? |
| 18:42.30 | PinkBunny | paulswm: so client can boot windows normaly from hdd |
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| 18:42.35 | sepski | kingk, nope, but yes if you use xinerama (iirc) |
| 18:42.42 | tarzeau | spdf: ok. do they probably do also subdirs? |
| 18:42.54 | rob0 | well I guess you're on a different machine so you can't paste :) |
| 18:43.06 | PinkBunny | paulswm: like if I did normal install of winXP |
| 18:43.12 | DarkAnt | nope, i can't |
| 18:43.15 | emes | resiak: i guess i'm just a natural gentooer :) |
| 18:43.25 | rob0 | DarkAnt: just tell us what partitions you have, and what types |
| 18:43.31 | toresbe | How do I filter out all but the first coloumn of a stream? |
| 18:43.35 | resiak | emes: Begone, foul beast! But seriously, what's the harm in running Samba all the time? |
| 18:43.41 | kingk | sepski, so what would I use if not xinerama |
| 18:43.41 | paulswm | PinkBunny: if you clone an XP partition to a different machine, then it will probably fail because of the HAL |
| 18:43.48 | DarkAnt | two partitions, a windows and a SuSE |
| 18:43.55 | toresbe | sepski: hei hei :) |
| 18:44.01 | sepski | kingk, uuhhh you either use xinerama or you dont use it |
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| 18:44.07 | hid3 | Hello all. I'm running debian and I try to add 2200 ipv6 addresses using a script (ifconfig sit0 add ip/netmask). But after that when it adds ~1700 IPs, it displyays much errors: "SIOCSIFADDR: Cannot allocate memory".. How can I solve this problem and add as many IPs as I need? |
| 18:44.07 | sepski | toresbe, hei! |
| 18:44.08 | emes | resiak: whats the harm in having a system that lets you control what starts at boot? |
| 18:44.13 | DarkAnt | here, i'll go look at the options debian gives me and post them here |
| 18:44.19 | toresbe | Like, I want to count the amount of unique logged on users |
| 18:44.26 | rob0 | and the name of the SuSE ... ? /dev/hda2 or hda5? |
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| 18:44.39 | sepski | kingk, i tend not to use it, becouse i have diferent sized monitors |
| 18:44.39 | resiak | emes: Like I said, update-rc.d! |
| 18:44.39 | PinkBunny | paulswm: norton ghost can do it? |
| 18:45.03 | emes | resiak: there should be a way to make it permanent |
| 18:45.15 | resiak | emes: I'm not aware that it's not. |
| 18:45.18 | justdust | huh ?N |
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| 18:45.28 | Zalamander | hello |
| 18:45.32 | paulswm | PinkBunny: I doubt it, becuase to do that is a license infringment, and XP checks the HAL to make sure it's on the same box |
| 18:45.32 | resiak | Is it true that updating a package re-forges all of its /etc/rc?.d/ symlinks? |
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| 18:45.56 | adjacent | sepski: what desktop do you use? kde kept starting an instance for each monitor if i didnt use xinerama |
| 18:46.01 | emes | resiak: when you update a package, it just arrogantly assumes that i want it to start at boot :) |
| 18:46.11 | resiak | toresbe: | perl -ne 'm/^([^ ]+) /; print $1' |
| 18:46.21 | resiak | emes: I didn't know that. |
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| 18:46.44 | Zalamander | I have installed xfree-common and xfree-server and libx11-6. I still have no "startx" command. What am I missing for X? |
| 18:46.56 | toresbe | resiak: hmm, it removes the newline as well |
| 18:47.01 | jethro | Zalamander: xbase-clients |
| 18:47.05 | Zalamander | thanks |
| 18:47.15 | sepski | i used gnome, and i have a custom panel on eatch monitor |
| 18:47.17 | resiak | toresbe: | perl -lne 'm/^([^ ]+) /; print $1' |
| 18:47.22 | toresbe | resiak: But I am in awe of the perl magic :) |
| 18:47.23 | sepski | 1 configured for work, 1 for private |
| 18:47.27 | paulswm | PinkBunny: it's not hard to move XP around on the same PC, or to re-image an installation, but if you are going to try cloning to another box, there may be a way of doing it, but it's illegal with a single seat license |
| 18:47.28 | sepski | but that's just me you know |
| 18:47.39 | resiak | toresbe: I'm not l33t enough to remember the newline. |
| 18:47.46 | resiak | toresbe: (until you mentioned it) |
| 18:47.48 | toresbe | resiak: thanks :) |
| 18:47.58 | kingk | you can use dofferent resolution on a dual monitor setup using xinerama |
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| 18:48.03 | toresbe | resiak: Man, I have *got* to learn perl |
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| 18:48.06 | adjacent | cool. interesting setup =) i couldnt get away with it at work. people would wonder what IRC was. |
| 18:48.10 | resiak | toresbe: sed would be a less overkilling way to do it, but I know not sed. |
| 18:48.25 | adjacent | depite my attempts to disguise it as a term window ;) |
| 18:48.39 | sepski | exinerama gives you 1 big desktop, i wanted 2 separate desktops. so i didn't use xinerama |
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| 18:48.55 | DarkAnt | alright i'm back, i have the option to 1) Initialize and activate swap partition 2) activate previously installed swap partition 3) Do without swap partition What should i do and what is a swap partition anyway? |
| 18:48.59 | toresbe | resiak: who |perl -lne 'm/^([^ ]+) /; print $1' | uniq | wc -l |
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| 18:49.10 | resiak | adjacent: You want screen, and just detach whenever someone comes near :p |
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| 18:49.22 | PinkBunny | paulswm: I get what you mean, but norton ghost still does it ;) |
| 18:49.26 | adjacent | haha. good idea |
| 18:49.28 | resiak | toresbe: Oh man, that's cool. |
| 18:49.32 | spdf | DarkAnt, Have you made a swap partition? |
| 18:49.47 | rob0 | SuSE probably made a swap partition |
| 18:49.54 | DarkAnt | what is a swap partition? |
| 18:49.55 | paulswm | PinkBunny: OK, didn't know it did |
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| 18:50.04 | resiak | toresbe: Of course, that perl snippet assumes that the column doesn't include spaces. |
| 18:50.08 | toresbe | resiak: Wait a minute, I don't have 15 users logged on... :| |
| 18:50.10 | sepski | adjacent, i use irc as a support tool at work, and i allso try to help out where ever my meager skills suffice. and i'm allowed to |
| 18:50.13 | resiak | toresbe: Huh?! |
| 18:50.14 | Phated | toresbe: Yes you do. |
| 18:50.23 | kingk | sepski: you can run two monitors with out xinerama? |
| 18:50.23 | toresbe | well, unique users |
| 18:50.23 | sepski | but yes it's a time sucker deluxe! |
| 18:50.25 | Phated | toresbe: VT1-7, and then eight xterms. Sure you do. |
| 18:50.27 | galgen_ | I'm having problem running RealPlayer 10 in Mozilla 1.7.3. I run debian testing and KDE, and have turned off artsd so it shouldn't affect the soundcard - but still the Realplayer doesn't work, well, it seem to work but there isn't no sound coming. |
| 18:50.34 | resiak | Phated: No, he's used uniq |
| 18:50.35 | paulswm | DarkAnt: it would probably be a good idea to read installation guide beforehand and plan your installation before going any further |
| 18:50.40 | toresbe | Phated: Note the uniq in the stream |
| 18:50.44 | resiak | Phated: So it's 15 distinct people, allegedly. |
| 18:50.46 | PinkBunny | paulswm: I dont think they go into whats on harddrive, they just duplicate whole harddrive, legality is left to user :) |
| 18:50.50 | sepski | kingk, yes i did that for years before hearing about xinerama even |
| 18:50.52 | adjacent | sepski: yeh. i use it too, but i have enough things to administer that it wastes time more than anything else |
| 18:50.52 | DarkAnt | lol, i did, i'm still confused |
| 18:50.54 | Phated | toresbe: Mm. In that case you been hacked. I dance for joy as we speak. |
| 18:50.55 | resiak | toresbe: knock the wc off ? |
| 18:51.06 | paulswm | PinkBunny: have you actually tried it? |
| 18:51.10 | kingk | sepski: how do you do it? |
| 18:51.10 | toresbe | resiak: *without* the uniq it's 34! |
| 18:51.18 | Phated | Hehe. |
| 18:51.36 | toresbe | Oh, uniq needs it sorted |
| 18:51.45 | jethro | toresbe: sort -u |
| 18:51.52 | sepski | adjacent, get a better boss then if you'r not allowed using it |
| 18:51.56 | jethro | instead of uniq |
| 18:52.02 | toresbe | jethro: Ooh, nice tidbit |
| 18:52.10 | toresbe | jethro: thanks :) |
| 18:52.13 | jethro | yw |
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| 18:52.18 | paulswm | PinkBunny: I have a feeling that if you do try it, it won't work on the new box without calling MS for a new code |
| 18:52.24 | toresbe | jethro: I was piping sort through uniq |
| 18:52.30 | adjacent | sepski: heh. im pretty much my own boss. irc during work, tends to mean less money coming in the door that day =) its a personal thing |
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| 18:52.35 | jethro | heh so I saved you from typing extra chars |
| 18:52.50 | toresbe | jethro: Not reall, all the thanking you etc :P |
| 18:53.00 | jethro | you have a point :) |
| 18:53.07 | adjacent | or. lets say. i hae a boss, but i run the technical stuff, so its my call |
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| 18:53.32 | sepski | kingk, 2 monitor instances 2 screen instances and a serverlayout to tie the whole thing together |
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| 18:53.45 | sepski | search googles there are abundance of examples |
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| 18:53.45 | D1rk | omgl wat a hell of users |
| 18:53.51 | pmiller9 | when is debian planning on moving to Xorg? |
| 18:53.59 | toresbe | pmiller9: After sarge |
| 18:54.02 | jethro | sooner if you help pmiller9 |
| 18:54.02 | D1rk | when sarge is stable |
| 18:54.09 | spdf | pmiller9, Not today... |
| 18:54.11 | D1rk | indeed jethro |
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| 18:54.29 | D1rk | and sarge comes, when its time |
| 18:54.34 | pmiller9 | are there any experimental xorg packages? |
| 18:54.43 | spdf | pmiller9, /msg dpkg get xorg |
| 18:54.44 | D1rk | at ubuntu |
| 18:55.01 | sepski | adjacent, then i guess it's sensible call. but it's about the only way i can contribute. since i coudn't code 'hello world' if my life depended upon it |
| 18:55.01 | paulswm | pmiller9: there is actually a possibility that sarge will go stable before Jesus returns |
| 18:55.07 | toresbe | I'm making a really cool script that lies in my .bashrc and displays some neat info, like unique users etc |
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| 18:55.15 | toresbe | paulswm: Seriously? |
| 18:55.22 | toresbe | paulswm: Debian Weekly said otherwise |
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| 18:55.27 | DarkAnt | alright, i think i figured it out. that or i just killed windows |
| 18:55.27 | PinkBunny | paulswm: I think that guys on my uni are doing it all the time, but I havent really witnessed it myself......I dont deal with windows, I made netboot project for labs, we will netboot knoppix over pxe and admin asked me if we can ghost windows on clients hdds once knoppix is up |
| 18:55.27 | paulswm | toresbe: well hopefully |
| 18:55.29 | jethro | paulswm: don't be kidding us, jesus won't ever return |
| 18:55.32 | D1rk | hi hi |
| 18:55.40 | resiak | (However, it must be solved in Java :( ) |
| 18:55.47 | adjacent | sepski: hehe. yeh. ive completely missed the fact that a backhaul link or server went offline because i was debating something here. had to cut it out... |
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| 18:56.12 | toresbe | paulswm: It said that Sarge would get the nickname "third coming of christ" |
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| 18:56.21 | D1rk | what is better gentoo or debian? |
| 18:56.22 | caphuso_ | resiak: doesn't java have some System.execute("perl ...") thingie? :) |
| 18:56.31 | Phated | toresbe: Don't joke about it, man, it might actually HAPPEN. |
| 18:56.34 | adjacent | D1rk: debian |
| 18:56.35 | pmiller9 | paulswm: I doubt it... debian's release schedule is ridiculously slow |
| 18:56.40 | paulswm | PinkBunny: they may be using a cracked XP installation, someone gave me one but never used it, I'm not a fan of MS but they're entitled to their legal income |
| 18:56.41 | toresbe | resiak: What does that snippet of line noise do? |
| 18:56.45 | brynjarh | D1rk: that's a stupit question. |
| 18:56.47 | sepski | adjacent, i guess i need to increase my scrollback buffer |
| 18:56.51 | hid3 | Hello everyone. I am trying to add 2200 ipv6 addresses using a bash script to my sit0 device (ifconfig sit0 add ip/netmask). But after that when it adds ~1700 IPs it displyays much errors saying : "SIOCSIFADDR: Cannot allocate memory".. How can I solve this problem and add as many IPs as I need? |
| 18:56.53 | Phated | D1rk: Debian. |
| 18:57.03 | adjacent | heh |
| 18:57.04 | paulswm | toresbe: heh, that's funny, didn't know that |
| 18:57.06 | resiak | toresbe: It doesn't, because it's got syntax errors. But it's supposed to count occurances of words in files.; |
| 18:57.07 | toresbe | D1rk: Debian. But you *are* asking #debian :) |
| 18:57.08 | D1rk | i know i'm actually fooling you all ;) |
| 18:57.13 | PinkBunny | paulswm: but we have license to use win on uni computers |
| 18:57.17 | resiak | caphuso: Hah. |
| 18:57.22 | toresbe | paulswm: Was jokink |
| 18:57.23 | toresbe | :) |
| 18:57.26 | D1rk | i'm happy running sarge en sid ;) |
| 18:57.35 | toresbe | resiak: Aha. |
| 18:57.45 | adjacent | hid3: are you running out of RAM? |
| 18:57.49 | paulswm | PinkBunny: well if you have a site license then forget everything I have been typing |
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| 18:57.52 | resiak | toresbe: The funny thing is, it's apparently "too hard", so I may not get to do it. |
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| 18:58.05 | adjacent | hid3: and that many address should be subnetted into smaller groups i would think |
| 18:58.08 | toresbe | resiak: heh |
| 18:58.09 | D1rk | mmm i'm really wondering when sarge becomes stable |
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| 18:58.22 | toresbe | resiak: I'm actually concidering... a *new* computer |
| 18:58.23 | hid3 | adjacent: no, my machine has 384 megs of ram but nothing is running there, a strange problem.. |
| 18:58.34 | D1rk | i'll think maybe in may |
| 18:58.34 | resiak | toresbe: Hah. |
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| 18:58.48 | Zalamander | D1rk what difference does it make if it's "stable" or not if that's what you're running anyway? |
| 18:58.48 | hid3 | adjacent: these addresses are for 6tunnel program.. |
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| 18:58.58 | adjacent | can you strace it to find where there problem is occuring? |
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| 18:59.14 | adjacent | i know its tedious. maybe grep the outpout for failure messages |
| 18:59.17 | paulswm | D1rk: stable is just when it starts falling behind the new testing |
| 18:59.17 | D1rk | mmm i'm would like to run sid with stable kde packages |
| 18:59.20 | PinkBunny | paulswm: http://www.feyrer.de/g4u/ - this seems to workalike ghost |
| 18:59.28 | D1rk | i knouw paulswm |
| 18:59.42 | resiak | "The road to hell is paved with frozen door-to-door salesmen. Younger demons go ice-skaking from time to time." -- Misremembered from Good Omens. |
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| 19:00.01 | paulswm | PinkBunny: I'll drop out, my intention was just to help you with NTFS imaging through debian linux |
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| 19:00.09 | PinkBunny | ok |
| 19:00.13 | PinkBunny | thanx anyway |
| 19:00.20 | paulswm | PinkBunny: my pleasure |
| 19:00.23 | guestish | PinkBunny: ghost? partimage is linux's ghost |
| 19:00.31 | guestish | PinkBunny: though i think ntfs support is still experimental |
| 19:00.33 | D1rk | well i'm away |
| 19:00.40 | guestish | !partimage |
| 19:00.45 | D1rk | just make may homework :P |
| 19:00.47 | hid3 | some strange message i found in dmesg: "Dead loop on virtual device sit0, fix it urgently!". Any ideas what has happened? |
| 19:00.52 | Zalamander | paulswm so as long as I leave "testing" directories in my apt sources list, my updates would start coming from the new testing branch, whatever the name? In other words -- when a new testing forks, is any configuration change necessary to keep running testing? |
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| 19:00.57 | guestish | heh |
| 19:01.08 | paulswm | guestish: you maybe not been following this, ntfsclone is the way to image/resize NTFS volumes |
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| 19:01.26 | guestish | paulswm: yeah, wasnt, just saw ghost and thought "partimage!" :) |
| 19:01.35 | guestish | just joined actually |
| 19:01.53 | paulswm | Zalamander: yes, you are correct. If you had 'sarge' in there, you'd have to change, but testing is always testing |
| 19:02.03 | Zalamander | thanks |
| 19:02.22 | guestish | huh, i guess partimage has ntfs support now |
| 19:02.28 | guestish | cool |
| 19:02.43 | toresbe | What could be causing a niced process to eat all of my CPU? |
| 19:02.50 | resiak | toresbe: It being nasty? |
| 19:02.58 | sepski | toresbe, it have a lot to do ? |
| 19:03.16 | toresbe | resiak: I think it's niced above zero because my computer is still quite snappy |
| 19:03.19 | PinkBunny | guestish: partimage has experimental ntfs support, wouldnt really trust it ;) |
| 19:03.27 | toresbe | but top doesn't show anything |
| 19:03.29 | paulswm | toresbe: even if it's niced, it will use slack CPU time if it needs it, of course |
| 19:03.39 | guestish | PinkBunny: heh |
| 19:03.45 | guestish | PinkBunny: yeah, ntfsclone seems better for that |
| 19:03.51 | toresbe | paulswm: yeah |
| 19:04.07 | toresbe | I just want it off my machine whatever the hell it is |
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| 19:04.13 | guestish | actually im gonna use partimage on my home partition |
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| 19:04.37 | paulswm | toresbe: you got other users logged in, I mean going single-user isn't an option? |
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| 19:04.45 | PinkBunny | guestish: doesnt solve the problem of installing windows boot loader on hdd :) |
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| 19:04.58 | adjacent | hid3: what kernel are you using? |
| 19:04.59 | guestish | PinkBunny: use the windows xp install cd |
| 19:05.08 | adjacent | hid3: im guessing you have 2.4 |
| 19:05.08 | hid3 | adjacent: 2.6.10 |
| 19:05.09 | guestish | PinkBunny: or if its 9x, use a boot disk |
| 19:05.11 | adjacent | mmm |
| 19:05.12 | toresbe | paulswm: I wouldn't want to, no - one user logged in plus some X services I don't want dying |
| 19:05.15 | hid3 | no, wrong ;-) |
| 19:05.18 | guestish | PinkBunny: for the boot disk its: fdisk /mbr |
| 19:05.21 | paulswm | PinkBunny: or you'll have to get it off the MBR of a functioning disk |
| 19:05.22 | guestish | for the windows xp cd its.. |
| 19:05.26 | sepski | PinkBunny, grab the bootloader of a windowes disk, and dd it there ? |
| 19:05.34 | adjacent | hid3: i just see relevant info about that error and 2.4 kernels. |
| 19:05.43 | paokouran | i made big error with the mdr |
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| 19:05.50 | guestish | PinkBunny: on the windows xp disk its: fixmbr |
| 19:05.54 | guestish | pretty simple |
| 19:05.57 | paokouran | i erased it by installing stupidly grub on the mbr.... |
| 19:05.58 | guestish | http://www.microsoft.com/resources/documentation/Windows/XP/all/reskit/en-us/Default.asp?url=/resources/documentation/Windows/XP/all/reskit/en-us/prkd_tro_ldau.asp |
| 19:05.59 | paulswm | roh-roh |
| 19:06.02 | sepski | PinkBunny, or if you have identical harddrives image the drive and not the partition and you have bootloader included |
| 19:06.15 | dupondje | hi, i got a prob, i have a broken hdd in my linux pc, and it makes that boot gets stuck, how can i make it doesn't try to access hdd ? |
| 19:06.15 | paokouran | then even more stupidly tried to repair it with the mbr from linux |
| 19:06.17 | guestish | i've done it before, its easy |
| 19:06.24 | toresbe | resiak: How can you get that perlscript sorting by second or third coloumnm, say? |
| 19:06.27 | hid3 | well, that script worked perfectly before but I dunno why it doesn't work now.. (after I've addres one more ip address to my eth0 device) |
| 19:06.31 | nostalg1c | is there a way to see which packages i've installed on my system, using apt-* ? |
| 19:06.33 | paokouran | now at boot when i choose windos i see mbr:213... |
| 19:06.38 | paokouran | someting like that |
| 19:06.39 | PinkBunny | sepski: problem is that not all hard drives are identical in network I have in mind |
| 19:06.41 | paulswm | nostalg1c: dpkg -l |
| 19:06.42 | caphuso | nostalg1c: no, but you can use dpkg -l |
| 19:06.48 | adjacent | hid3: using dnat? |
| 19:06.48 | guestish | Nosf3ratu: dpkg -l * | grep ii |
| 19:06.48 | nostalg1c | tnx |
| 19:06.57 | hid3 | no, using ifconfig |
| 19:06.58 | resiak | toresbe: Hell, I've just figured out the easier way of doing it... |
| 19:07.00 | resiak | toresbe: Hang on. |
| 19:07.05 | caphuso | guestish: that misses packages put on hold |
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| 19:07.12 | eliane | hi |
| 19:07.13 | sepski | PinkBunny, well grab a mbr of a windows and put it there with dd or whatecer |
| 19:07.16 | paulswm | I'm all IRCed out, see ya later |
| 19:07.19 | guestish | caphuso: i suppose..what would you use? |
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| 19:07.24 | nostalg1c | what does 'rc' mean, instead of 'ii' ? |
| 19:07.53 | caphuso | guestish: just "dpkg -l" works generally good enough |
| 19:07.58 | caphuso | nostalg1c: dpkg -l | head |
| 19:07.58 | adjacent | hid3: no. how are you set up? using nat? |
| 19:07.59 | PinkBunny | sepski: have you ever done that sucessfuly? :) |
| 19:08.04 | toresbe | nostalg1c: hey |
| 19:08.06 | guestish | caphuso: but that will list removed and purged packages |
| 19:08.16 | sepski | toresbe, chkrootkit ? :) |
| 19:08.17 | toresbe | nostalg1c: How nostalgic are you? :P |
| 19:08.18 | resiak | toresbe: perl -anle 'print $a{2}' # prints out the third column. I think. |
| 19:08.20 | caphuso | guestish: it doesn't list purged packages |
| 19:08.23 | hid3 | no, w/o nat. |
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| 19:08.40 | guestish | caphuso: well removed |
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| 19:08.55 | caphuso | guestish: yes, because removed packages still own files on your disk |
| 19:09.17 | guestish | k |
| 19:09.24 | toresbe | resiak: I just get newlines |
| 19:09.32 | BigEyedFish | I'm planning to have kids in 6 years.. is is possible they see Xorg on Debian when they're alive ? |
| 19:09.33 | caphuso | guestish: the line between installed and not installed packages is a bit blurred there |
| 19:09.35 | resiak | toresbe: Oh. Buggeration. Give me a moment. |
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| 19:09.37 | nostalg1c | toresbe, pretty nostalg1c. :) |
| 19:09.37 | toresbe | sepski: Huh? |
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| 19:09.58 | ZenithDK | can someone help me with GDM not remembering my last logged in session, that is so it uses the selected session as default next time? |
| 19:09.59 | sepski | PinkBunny, yeah but dont ask me to remember it now. i guess it's just dd the first block from source disk to image, and use that image to every clone disk |
| 19:10.00 | guestish | caphuso: yeah... |
| 19:10.01 | resiak | toresbe: perl -anle 'print $F[2]' # I suck. |
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| 19:10.02 | toresbe | nostalg1c: heh, computer nostalgia, or..? |
| 19:10.04 | paokouran | ca i use mbr to restore a ms partition?? |
| 19:10.06 | Phated | BigEyedFish: Well... You can hope. |
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| 19:10.13 | guestish | cause it doesnt remove the config files unless you tell it to... |
| 19:10.15 | resiak | toresbe: Again, the number is indexed from 0. |
| 19:10.15 | ZenithDK | BigEyedFish: relax will you? try looking at the topic and msg dpkg |
| 19:10.16 | nostalg1c | toresbe, everything used to be so easy.. :) |
| 19:10.16 | toresbe | resiak: Do NOT :P |
| 19:10.23 | tek- | which is better for a production fileserver drive, xfs or reiserfs ? |
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| 19:10.29 | toresbe | nostalg1c: heh |
| 19:10.30 | sepski | paokouran, mbr is not == partition table |
| 19:10.33 | justdust | in gnome, normally you can run a program as root, I don't have that package, does anyone have an idea how it' s called ? |
| 19:10.33 | Phated | PRoduction? ext3. |
| 19:10.33 | resiak | tek-: Some would say neither. |
| 19:10.53 | caphuso | guestish: in case you really want to see only absolutely installed packages, grep '^.i' works |
| 19:10.54 | paokouran | sepski |
| 19:10.57 | tek- | why would you say ext3 ? |
| 19:10.57 | paokouran | how can i do |
| 19:11.10 | paokouran | i used it stupidly to restore my xp boot.... |
| 19:11.13 | dave_ | ok, i have a compaq proliant 5500 server ( bought off of ebay ) it did not come w/ a SmartStart Config CD or anything of that sort..... anyone know where i can get a copy of that? |
| 19:11.31 | paokouran | now at boot i havve a mbr:123... |
| 19:11.35 | guestish | paokouran: the mbr isnt a tool...its a location |
| 19:11.38 | adjacent | hid3: hmm. looks like a netfilter bug. that error is created when recursion is detected. indicating a loop problem. |
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| 19:11.44 | paokouran | something like that |
| 19:11.45 | guestish | !gpart |
| 19:11.45 | dpkg | from memory, gpart is a great tool to recover partition table when deleted some partitions by mistakes or overwrited the partition table... go get it at: http://metalab.unc.edu/pub/Linux/system/filesystems/gpart-0.1b.tar.gz, or more recent verstion at authors site: http://www.stud.uni-hannover.de/user/76201/gpart/, or see also testdisk |
| 19:11.46 | sepski | paokouran, just use whatever partition program you use and enter exactrly the same partitions you hade orginaly |
| 19:11.46 | hhstnoc | dave_ : why do you need the smartstart? |
| 19:11.51 | paokouran | i know guest |
| 19:11.54 | justdust | <PROTECTED> |
| 19:11.54 | guestish | k |
| 19:11.58 | bbhill | I've got an overclocked AMD emachine from best buy with a dodgy fan |
| 19:12.02 | guestish | i was gonna say you can try that |
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| 19:12.27 | paokouran | sepeski |
| 19:12.29 | kingk | who know of a simple yet excellent arcade game to play on debian |
| 19:12.32 | paokouran | i used a 98 bootdsik |
| 19:12.36 | bbhill | kingx: xgalaga |
| 19:12.37 | dave_ | well... this server will not boot from the IDE hdd in it, it will boot from the IDE cdrom, so... i am gonna see if any of the confiogureation is preventing it to |
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| 19:12.40 | paokouran | with fdisk /mbr |
| 19:12.42 | paokouran | same shit |
| 19:12.42 | resiak | kingk: Some would say supertux |
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| 19:12.45 | bbhill | kingk: xgalaga pwns |
| 19:12.45 | kingk | How bout Lemings. Is there a linux version of that old game |
| 19:12.46 | sepski | kingk, enigma is addictive |
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| 19:12.48 | paokouran | mbr:.... at boot |
| 19:12.51 | resiak | kingk: pingus |
| 19:12.54 | resiak | kingk: (that |
| 19:12.57 | hid3 | adjacent: yeah, that's a really strange thing :-) I was repeating /etc/init.d/networking restart for several times and now I can't add even 2 IP addresses.. that stupid memory allocation error :E |
| 19:12.59 | resiak | kingk: 's a Lemmings clone) |
| 19:13.09 | Phated | Pingus is AWESOME. |
| 19:13.13 | kingk | I enjoyed wing for a while untile I found out how to change weapons, then the game got to easy |
| 19:13.15 | bbhill | resiak: Included in testing package? |
| 19:13.20 | hhstnoc | dave_ : give me a minute, i think i had a link to most of the floppies |
| 19:13.21 | resiak | bbhill: Yeah. |
| 19:13.21 | spdf | paokouran, What the size of the boot partition? |
| 19:13.26 | kingk | pingus is clone of lemings? |
| 19:13.27 | bbhill | resiak: gonna check it out thanks |
| 19:13.28 | adjacent | hid3: thats a major bug then. can you update netfilter? (debian sucks for things like this) |
| 19:13.28 | toresbe | nostalg1c: /me is a rabid computer nostalgic :) |
| 19:13.35 | dave_ | SWEET! |
| 19:13.35 | Phated | kingk: Try out fillets-ng. It starts out easy... :) |
| 19:13.44 | paokouran | big |
| 19:13.50 | hid3 | well.. |
| 19:13.50 | spdf | paokouran, How big? |
| 19:13.55 | hhstnoc | dave_ : i could never manage to get my hands on a CD for my ProLiant 1600, but the floppies seemed to do the trick. |
| 19:13.58 | jimpanse | hi |
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| 19:14.04 | paokouran | size of hda1 where xp is? |
| 19:14.06 | hhstnoc | dave_ : doesn thte machine have SCSI drives? |
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| 19:14.14 | kingk | thats for the game suggestions |
| 19:14.16 | dave_ | not atm |
| 19:14.17 | hid3 | updating netfilter is not a big job, I'll try to do it now :) |
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| 19:14.24 | dhuv | hello all |
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| 19:14.30 | adjacent | hid3: best bet, imho, would be to grab the latest source and build a deb package to keep from breaking dpkg |
| 19:14.36 | bbhill | resiak: haha this looks really cool.. Like super mario |
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| 19:14.40 | dave_ | im looking to buy a few SCSI drives here soon |
| 19:14.42 | paokouran | 18go |
| 19:14.49 | resiak | bbhill: Hence the "super" :) |
| 19:15.03 | zelevw | guys...i'm trying to pptp out to a server...it works if I pon as root but not as a regular user...the message I get Dont know how to wait for ppp at /class/ppp/ppp; sleeping 1000 ms...i'm running debian and the regular user is part of group dip...can anyone suggest anything?...thanks in advance. |
| 19:15.08 | spdf | paokouran, Do you have an XP install cd? |
| 19:15.15 | paokouran | yes |
| 19:15.34 | spdf | paokouran, If you boot that up in rescue mode, you can use FIXMBR (or FIX MBR, with a space) I can't remember which.. |
| 19:15.47 | paokouran | ok i ll try that |
| 19:15.50 | toresbe | Explain this - I still can'tfind any processes running that warrant such a strange behaviour |
| 19:15.53 | hhstnoc | dave_ : im not sure if theyll bootstrap off an IDE hard drive, ive never seen it done before. |
| 19:16.03 | dave_ | oh damn... |
| 19:16.04 | sepski | toresbe, tried chkrootkit |
| 19:16.06 | dave_ | hmm |
| 19:16.10 | spdf | toresbe, Apes. |
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| 19:16.23 | sepski | also i image there os a psreal that show hidden ps's |
| 19:16.51 | toresbe | sepski: What does that do? |
| 19:17.13 | sepski | chkrootkit searches for indications of root kits on your box |
| 19:17.14 | dave_ | hhstnoc, also.... how the hell do i access the BIOS? Is it like the older pcs where the bios software is on a hd partition? |
| 19:17.39 | sepski | for instance a pc command that dont show a process |
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| 19:17.56 | sepski | ps |
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| 19:18.27 | toresbe | aha |
| 19:18.29 | sepski | Dave_ i remamber some bioses heeding a floppy to edit |
| 19:18.40 | toresbe | well, I am lax with security |
| 19:18.46 | kurumin | !list |
| 19:18.46 | dpkg | one warez list being sent |
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| 19:19.29 | null-n-void | I'm trying to install Debian along with windows XP without losing any data currently on the hard drive. I've got a 5GB partition set up to split into Linux and Linux Swap partitions. The problem is that cfdisk won't work. Keeps giving me a "bad primary partition 0: partition ends after end-of-disk" error. Windows disk management shows an NTFS partition and a FAT32 partition and says both are healthy. I booted the XP recovery and did fixmbr |
| 19:19.37 | kingsley_ | dave_: The BIOS is usually accessed by pressing a certain key while booting. This key varies from system to system, but will sometimes be announced while booting or in the PC's documentation. |
| 19:19.43 | dave_ | well, i have been looking through the compaq/hp site for a while now... and i can't find niether the smartstart download.. (if there even is one ) or a bios utility download |
| 19:20.00 | spdf | Dave123, Typically the Delete key... |
| 19:20.04 | dave_ | thats the thing..... nothing came w/ this server |
| 19:20.22 | guestish | null-n-void: exactly how did you create the 5 gig partition? |
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| 19:20.43 | CtrlAltDel | ¤WB (ChanServ) WB¤ - wb chanserv, n1 |
| 19:20.43 | toresbe | ah!"2.6.10! what a refreshingly nice, round number for a kernel :) |
| 19:20.53 | toresbe | CtrlAltDel: ... |
| 19:20.57 | spdf | null-n-void, Is that 5gb of free space, or a 5gb partition? |
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| 19:21.06 | resiak | toresbe: Did that perl-let work? |
| 19:21.14 | toresbe | shite |
| 19:21.15 | null-n-void | guestish: Originally, I can't remember. Probably with windows disk management. I've tried using a partition manager to delete the partition and recreate it in several filesystems (linux, fat32) |
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| 19:21.26 | toresbe | that would also explain the high usage of sshd I was observing not long ago |
| 19:21.30 | null-n-void | spdf: Either gives me the same error. Right now it's a 5GB FAT32 partition |
| 19:21.33 | kingk | l |
| 19:21.34 | spdf | null-n-void, Delete whatever partition you made.. |
| 19:21.38 | toresbe | I just realized I'm being owned! |
| 19:21.44 | spdf | null-n-void, cfdisk will work with free space... |
| 19:21.48 | resiak | toresbe: Woah. |
| 19:21.52 | guestish | null-n-void: first of all there are about 5 linux filesystems, second have you tried using cfdisk to delete and recreate the partition? |
| 19:21.54 | resiak | toresbe: Get off IRC, dammit. |
| 19:21.55 | null-n-void | spdf: I've tried that, just leaving it as freespace. cfdisk still gives the bad primary partition error |
| 19:22.08 | resiak | toresbe: More to the point, yank out your network wire. |
| 19:22.11 | null-n-void | guestish: cfdisk won't even start. |
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| 19:22.20 | guestish | null-n-void: are you specifying the right drive? |
| 19:22.24 | spdf | null-n-void, So, You have one ntfs partition at the start of the drive so far, and 5gb of free space. |
| 19:22.24 | toresbe | resiak: I'm installing a new kernel |
| 19:22.25 | xav_ | hi |
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| 19:22.35 | hhstnoc | dave_ : the biggest pain in the ass with Proliants is you cant get into the bios |
| 19:22.39 | null-n-void | guestish: yes, /dev/hda. |
| 19:22.39 | resiak | toresbe: Installing a kernel != being owned. |
| 19:22.45 | hhstnoc | you need a smartstart floppy or cd or boot partition |
| 19:22.46 | parazoid_ | Does anyone knows what this is: '/var/spool/exim/msglog'? It?s taking up 8.1G |
| 19:22.52 | null-n-void | spdf: Right. |
| 19:22.58 | toresbe | resiak: No, but I'm gooing to install the new kernel before rebooting |
| 19:22.59 | guestish | null-n-void: well i suppose you could have a screwed up partition table |
| 19:23.00 | toresbe | resiak: So I have that out of the way |
| 19:23.03 | resiak | toresbe: Fair enough. |
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| 19:23.06 | guestish | null-n-void: or maybe its a sata drive |
| 19:23.10 | Phated | parazoid_: It's... exim's log? Less it and see. |
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| 19:23.16 | toresbe | resiak: And the IRC thing is SSH to a server anyways |
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| 19:23.26 | billyoc | parazoid_: I'm going out on a limb here, but a log of exim messages? |
| 19:23.27 | null-n-void | guestish: I figure the partition table is screwed. cfdisk wants to wipe it out, but I can't afford to lose any data. |
| 19:23.36 | guestish | null-n-void: is it a sata drive? |
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| 19:24.54 | parazoid_ | What is Exim? |
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| 19:24.55 | Phated | parazoid_: Your MTA. |
| 19:24.55 | caphuso | parazoid_: SMTP daemon |
| 19:24.55 | parazoid_ | Is it important? |
| 19:24.55 | caphuso | parazoid_: yes |
| 19:24.55 | null-n-void | guestish: no idea. Is there any way to fix the partition table without losing data? |
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| 19:24.56 | Phated | Er... pretty much. |
| 19:24.57 | dave_ | hhstnoc, ohh... you can't get into the bios? that sucks a big one |
| 19:25.02 | Zalamander | when starting X I get the error "client 2 rejected from local host". Anyone have a clue for me as to where to look to fix this? (google hasn't been helping much) |
| 19:25.21 | parazoid_ | ok :) |
| 19:25.24 | guestish | null-n-void: um, you could try gpart to fix the partition |
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| 19:25.29 | kevinv | Hi, I got a simple question about the bootsplash package. |
| 19:25.39 | guestish | null-n-void: but nothing is certain and you are risking data loss |
| 19:25.39 | null-n-void | gpart... is that a linux tool? |
| 19:25.39 | parazoid_ | Phated, MTA? |
| 19:25.43 | resiak | !mta |
| 19:25.43 | Phated | MTA. |
| 19:25.44 | dpkg | i guess mta is a mail transfer agent, in other words sendmail or any of its replacements (such as exim-tls, postfix-tls, qmail, ssmtp, zmail, etc).. |
| 19:25.50 | spdf | guestish, I think he's in windows right now.. |
| 19:25.52 | guestish | null-n-void: there's a windows one too, let me see if i can find it |
| 19:25.53 | kevinv | How do I exactly set it up for Debian 3.0r2 |
| 19:26.10 | spdf | null-n-void, What did you use to resize the ntfs partition? |
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| 19:26.17 | resiak | kevinv: A more interesting question is "why?". |
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| 19:26.32 | directhex | kevinv, a more interesting question is 'why bother with woody for a desktop'? |
| 19:26.45 | null-n-void | spdf: I didn't. This 5GB of freespace was another NTFS partition. I created it in windows a long time ago, then deleted it. Also tried making it into a FAT32. |
| 19:26.47 | kevinv | Just to make Debian boot look a little more inviting. |
| 19:26.48 | parazoid_ | But 8.1GB is a little much? |
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| 19:27.00 | holoturoide | a |
| 19:27.08 | ribnitz | directhex: why bother with woody at all given the "stability" of sarge |
| 19:27.10 | spdf | null-n-void, Hmm... Which installer are you using? |
| 19:27.26 | null-n-void | spdf: I got the latest woody iso. |
| 19:27.26 | kevinv | Woody is the stable release, so that's why I use it. |
| 19:27.28 | directhex | ribnitz, for security. that's about it |
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| 19:27.45 | Konlied | Security people will hate users for doing this but is there any way I can get getty to log into an account? GDM does it, so presumably there are equivalents? |
| 19:27.46 | resiak | kevinv: But how often do you really look at the boot? |
| 19:27.48 | Phated | kevinv: Dude... How often do you boot, and for how long? |
| 19:27.52 | nvz | duh, I am trying to use a full-duplex wire with a half-duplex tranciever... I cant believe this didnt occur to me before :/ |
| 19:27.54 | ribnitz | directhex: in theory oyu get sec updates. |
| 19:27.55 | kevinv | And since woody boots so damn fast, I might as well but a splash, and console background. |
| 19:28.21 | guestish | null-n-void: http://www.cgsecurity.org/index.html?testdisk.html |
| 19:28.24 | directhex | ribnitz, no, you don't. nmot until testing security goes online, which sigals the 30 day countdown for sarge release |
| 19:28.29 | guestish | null-n-void: there ya go |
| 19:29.02 | caphuso | ribnitz: exim, mozilla, kde and openssh in sarge have still open security bugs |
| 19:29.05 | null-n-void | guestish: thanks, I'll try that. |
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| 19:29.22 | guestish | null-n-void: np, but be sure to back up your data before using |
| 19:29.29 | kevinv | Anyways, what file in the /etc has stores the kernel options(not params), I think OpenBSD used it for enabling stuff without re-compiling. Any idea's? |
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| 19:30.14 | ribnitz | caphuso: true |
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| 19:30.33 | evilmegaman | How do I get X running right after I install sarge? startx gives me file not found or something like that |
| 19:30.38 | valdyn | kevinv: /etc/sysctl.conf |
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| 19:30.55 | directhex | evilmegaman, try installing x |
| 19:30.59 | caphuso | evilmegaman: install x-window-system-core, a window manager and a x terminal emulator |
| 19:31.05 | directhex | evilmegaman, x-window-system package |
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| 19:31.10 | dbron | hi all, I have looked at the tar man page but don't see the syntax to list the contents of a tgz, can someone help me with that syntax? |
| 19:31.21 | hhstnoc | dave_ : yeah, you need the cd / floppies |
| 19:31.23 | caphuso | dbron: tzf |
| 19:31.25 | hhstnoc | i cant seem to find the links now |
| 19:31.28 | dbron | caphuso: ah, th |
| 19:31.31 | dbron | anks |
| 19:31.41 | spdf | evilmegaman, xbase-clients, xserver-xfree86, xfree86-common (might have missed something there)...or just x-window-system... |
| 19:31.48 | evilmegaman | Ok :) put apt-get before install x-window-system right? |
| 19:31.49 | valdyn | kevinv: but thats probably not what you mean |
| 19:31.49 | caphuso | dbron: or use less with properly setup lesspipe |
| 19:31.50 | hhstnoc | dave- : try this site http://www.cpqlinux.com/ |
| 19:31.59 | directhex | evilmegaman, apt-get install x-window-system |
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| 19:32.01 | spdf | evilmegaman, You bet |
| 19:32.02 | dave_ | yeah... im searching google.. BUT THERE IS NO LINKS TO DOWNLOAD IT!! i think i am gonna go nuts! |
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| 19:32.19 | geppel | I have three different email accounts (all POP based) that I would like to get my linux box to download and store locally and then have squirrelmail run off my local mailbox. Is this practical, are there better ways of doing what I want, and most importanly am I making sense? Where would I start with doing something like this? |
| 19:32.21 | evilmegaman | Ok thanks guys :) I have been trying to figure that out for a while |
| 19:32.24 | directhex | evilmegaman, you might also want some kind of reasonable window manager/desktop environment, and usable login manager |
| 19:32.31 | directhex | evilmegaman, e.g. gdm and xfce4 |
| 19:32.40 | Phated | gdm and openbox. |
| 19:32.47 | dampjam | I installed libapache-mod-php4 but it did not add itself to /etc/apache-ssl/modules.conf, the file warns I should not edit it manually, what should I do? |
| 19:32.50 | directhex | evilmegaman, unless twm and xdm float your boat |
| 19:32.53 | Phated | Actually, wdm is decent too. |
| 19:33.01 | Konlied | starx and FVWM |
| 19:33.03 | caphuso | startx > ?dm |
| 19:33.16 | resiak | Or of course Login.app. |
| 19:33.20 | evilmegaman | :) directhex gdm is a boot screen? |
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| 19:33.23 | resiak | tarzeau: That was what you were supposed to sya! |
| 19:33.37 | Phated | Startx and openbox! |
| 19:33.49 | tarzeau | resiak: i was watching tv. and login.app only looks like it, it's not using anything of gnustep |
| 19:33.51 | directhex | evilmegaman, it's a login manager |
| 19:33.58 | resiak | tarzeau: Ah, okay. :) |
| 19:33.59 | evilmegaman | that's what I mean :) |
| 19:34.04 | parazoid_ | Is it normal /exim/msglog takes up 8GB harddisk space? |
| 19:34.05 | xnor | Iam gonna buy a new graphicscard, what should i buy to get debian use it? |
| 19:34.16 | tarzeau | resiak: the version in debian is old. someone made a more recent one, it's on the web somewhere |
| 19:34.20 | evilmegaman | thanks guys :) I will be back if I have anymore Q's |
| 19:34.24 | tarzeau | parazoid_: yes |
| 19:34.28 | resiak | xnor: If you want 3D accel, you should get an nvidia card, as I understand things. |
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| 19:34.33 | directhex | evilmegaman, it's the gnomeish login manager. wdm is windowmakerish, kdm is kdeish, sdm is some weirdo crap i don't know about. and xdm is a 1970s throwback |
| 19:34.39 | xav_ | xnor: nvidia for linux (not only debian) |
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| 19:34.44 | ribnitz | parazoid_: depends on how busy your server is. |
| 19:34.48 | Phated | Good lord, it's a good thing I went off exim. My HDD would be full by now. |
| 19:35.03 | evilmegaman | Ok :) |
| 19:35.15 | Phated | evilmegaman: wdm seems to have the least dependencies that still allows you to choose a WM. |
| 19:35.19 | ribnitz | Phated: usually such things get rotated, etc. |
| 19:35.32 | evilmegaman | Oky doky phated |
| 19:35.50 | Phated | ribnitz: I have an 8-gig HDD... :| :) |
| 19:35.57 | directhex | gdm was singled out in DWN as having the best user interface, features, etc etc etc |
| 19:36.07 | xav_ | there are some other nice *wm but I don't remember the name. One works with fb, and the second is for enlightenment |
| 19:36.15 | Phated | Well, yeah, gdm is pretty, no doubt, but the dependencies! |
| 19:36.18 | xav_ | *dm sorry |
| 19:36.38 | ribnitz | Phated: I tell you in the office we have loads of mail, and we don't get an 8GB msglog |
| 19:36.41 | parazoid_ | ribnitz, ok, thank you :) |
| 19:36.47 | Phated | ribnitz: Ahh. |
| 19:36.47 | parazoid_ | tarzeau, thank you |
| 19:37.00 | parazoid_ | thanks everyone :) |
| 19:37.05 | simonrvn | holy crap, 8 GB msg log? |
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| 19:37.10 | ribnitz | Phated: I would feel bad if I still was up at your time. |
| 19:37.20 | Sep` | what's the ruby package called in Debian ? |
| 19:37.22 | evilmegaman | thanks guys :) I be off now to do the stuff |
| 19:37.22 | Phated | ribnitz: Why? |
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| 19:37.25 | simonrvn | as in the mta's log, or something else? |
| 19:37.34 | ribnitz | simonrvn: thats what I tried to point out.. |
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| 19:38.04 | simonrvn | something's wrong, i'd say ;) |
| 19:38.06 | ribnitz | Phated: Yesterday it was like 3am, could have stayed longer at the party, but decided to leave. |
| 19:38.10 | tarzeau | Sep`: ruby? |
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| 19:38.19 | xnor | resiak and xav_ does all geforce cards work even the newest? |
| 19:38.19 | tarzeau | Sep`: at least in unstable, where i am |
| 19:38.25 | Phated | ribnitz: Wha... You left a party just because of the time? |
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| 19:38.45 | ActiveMatrix | sup room |
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| 19:38.58 | simonrvn | !room |
| 19:38.58 | dpkg | CHANNEL! |
| 19:39.00 | directhex | xnor, with what? |
| 19:39.10 | ribnitz | Phated: I felt tired, plus ventilation at the place wasnt too good .. |
| 19:39.20 | Phated | Right... |
| 19:39.40 | xnor | directhex: debian :) |
| 19:39.42 | ribnitz | Phated: plus no girl at 3, usually also means no girl at 4.. |
| 19:39.46 | xnor | directhex: xserver |
| 19:39.57 | Phated | You do suck. You can't get a girl by 3? :) |
| 19:40.02 | ActiveMatrix | would anyone here like to help with debian install probs? |
| 19:40.09 | spdf | ribnitz, Guess that depends on how fast your escort service is.. |
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| 19:40.13 | directhex | xnor, i think version numbers are relevant. though every nvidia card currently on the market works with nvidia-glx 61.11 or above |
| 19:40.14 | tarzeau | ribnitz: where was that? |
| 19:40.17 | simonrvn | ActiveMatrix: just ask |
| 19:40.27 | ActiveMatrix | ok |
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| 19:40.47 | ActiveMatrix | welll i have an nvida nforce ethernet card and |
| 19:40.54 | Phated | Er, what? |
| 19:40.56 | wntd | Argh |
| 19:40.57 | directhex | xnor, nothing newer than a geforce 3 will work with woody's open-source 2d driver, and i think nothing faster than a geforce fx series with sarge/sid's (thoguh i may be wrong there) |
| 19:40.59 | xav_ | xnor: sure |
| 19:41.01 | ribnitz | tarzeau: Do you have well-ventilated clubs at your place? |
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| 19:41.07 | ActiveMatrix | i was wondering how to get ahold of the kernel module to get the thing to work |
| 19:41.27 | directhex | ActiveMatrix, you use a recent enough kernel to include an open source forcedeth module |
| 19:41.28 | tarzeau | ribnitz: in zürich? probably. in the kt. aargau, i don't know if there's anything here |
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| 19:41.44 | wntd | I can't connect to MySQL through PHP |
| 19:41.47 | ActiveMatrix | i got deb 3.0 offline last night |
| 19:41.49 | simonrvn | !nvidia |
| 19:41.49 | dpkg | nvidia is, like, To learn how to install nvidia drivers on your Debian system see 'nvidia-howto' or maybe 'nvidia debs'. That should explain all you need to know. http://home.comcast.net/~andrex/Debian-nVidia/installation.html . "Off to break the nvidia driver by changing the kernel interfaces again, this is becoming a fun hobby..." - Greg Kroah-Hartman, Linux kernel hacker, on linux-elitists |
| 19:41.52 | ActiveMatrix | and just installed it |
| 19:41.55 | directhex | ActiveMatrix, or if you're feeling lucky, you download the nvidia-installer for nforce from nvidia.com and compile a closed-source nvnet |
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| 19:42.08 | simonrvn | ActiveMatrix: ^^^ |
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| 19:42.10 | directhex | ActiveMatrix, debian 3.0 was released in mid 2002. nforce was released a liong time afterwards |
| 19:42.30 | directhex | ActiveMatrix, either run debian sarge, which supports nforce fine, or get some kernel source onto your machine and compile a 2.4.28 kernel |
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| 19:42.44 | spdf | ActiveMatrix, I vote sarge... |
| 19:42.49 | directhex | ActiveMatrix, the former option is _STRONGLY_ recommended for a desktop environment |
| 19:42.49 | ActiveMatrix | ok brb |
| 19:42.52 | tarzeau | ActiveMatrix: i'd go for sarge too |
| 19:43.07 | ribnitz | spdf: Some people still fool themsleves into thinking they can do without. |
| 19:43.12 | xav_ | the login managers I talked about are entrance and qingy |
| 19:43.17 | spdf | ribnitz, Crazies I tell yah, CRAZIES! |
| 19:43.17 | tarzeau | ribnitz: we can! at work |
| 19:43.26 | directhex | xav_, played with e17? |
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| 19:44.03 | xav_ | directhex: I just tried some apps |
| 19:44.15 | ribnitz | directhex: So basically I left that place because I could no longer support them smokaz. |
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| 19:44.29 | spdf | Woody drove me insane on my personal computer... |
| 19:44.30 | ribnitz | directhex: actually, that was for Phated |
| 19:44.31 | ActiveMatrix | thanks guys |
| 19:44.39 | toby | What package is libstdc++.so.5 in? I've installed libstdc++2.1, libstdc++2.9, and libstdc++3 and their corresponding dev files, to no avail. |
| 19:44.42 | ActiveMatrix | what exactly is 'sarge'? |
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| 19:44.48 | directhex | ActiveMatrix, debian 3.1 |
| 19:44.51 | wntd | I've installed php4-mysql and mysql-*-4.1 |
| 19:44.52 | tarzeau | toby: packages.debian.org ?? |
| 19:44.56 | directhex | ActiveMatrix, due for release 'soonish' |
| 19:44.59 | spdf | ActiveMatrix, Debian Testing... 3.1.. It's a good thing. |
| 19:45.05 | Phated | ribnitz: Ahh, I see. |
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| 19:45.12 | toby | tarzeau: ill look there, thanks |
| 19:45.23 | b_52globemaster | hi |
| 19:45.25 | wntd | but I can't connect to MySQL through PHP |
| 19:45.33 | directhex | ActiveMatrix, you can already run it in its almost-releasable state right now, as many people have been for a long time |
| 19:45.36 | Li\Sou | hey, anyone know of a good backup tool for debian? any programs where i can install a snapshot from network? |
| 19:45.45 | E-bola | Can anybody tell me how i can check that my external firewire drive got detected by sarge? It doesnt seam to be mapped to /dev/sda |
| 19:45.53 | directhex | E-bola, check dmesg |
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| 19:46.22 | ActiveMatrix | but what is sarge |
| 19:46.22 | E-bola | directhex: i have been trying, but i dont know what to look for. It says its added 1 host and 2 nodes |
| 19:46.25 | E-bola | what does that mean? |
| 19:46.37 | tarzeau | ActiveMatrix: a plastic soldier |
| 19:46.46 | E-bola | ActiveMatrix: a debian version? |
| 19:46.52 | directhex | ActiveMatrix, sarge is debian 3.1, due for release soonish, as you've been told twice |
| 19:46.56 | b_52globemaster | is there any one who live in dublin? |
| 19:47.02 | directhex | well, 3 times now |
| 19:47.09 | spdf | ActiveMatrix, "Sarge" is the codename for the next stable version of Debian.. |
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| 19:47.19 | E-bola | ieee1394: sbp2: Logged into SBP-2 device |
| 19:47.19 | E-bola | ieee1394: sbp2: Node 0-00:1023: Max speed [S400] - Max payload [2048] |
| 19:47.22 | ribnitz | Phated: hence I said, I would feel bad if I was up your time. Innocent little girls should be fast asleep at such times. ;) |
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| 19:47.26 | E-bola | is that a port or a connected device? |
| 19:47.27 | Li\Sou | noone of you know of a backup tool for debian? v3.0 (sarge) |
| 19:47.34 | Phated | ribnitz: What innocent little girl? |
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| 19:47.43 | toresbe | resiak: okay, back up, with a shiney new 2.6.10 kernel :) |
| 19:47.47 | tarzeau | Li\Sou: sarge is not 3.0 |
| 19:47.49 | ribnitz | Li\Sou: backup to what? |
| 19:47.55 | resiak | toresbe: Good shizzle. |
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| 19:47.59 | weissi | does anybody know what's the gcc option if I'd like to call a main program function from a shared lib?? |
| 19:48.04 | ribnitz | Phated: No idea. |
| 19:48.15 | ribnitz | dog. bbl. |
| 19:48.20 | Phated | ribnitz: Exactly. I don't see any innocent girls around. |
| 19:48.35 | tarzeau | Phated: you live almost on the other side of the world |
| 19:48.42 | Li\Sou | ribnitz: backup my whole distro, preferrably to a network server in which i can load it all back in if my comp crashes? |
| 19:48.46 | Phated | Probably. |
| 19:48.50 | toby | there is a kde app |
| 19:48.52 | toby | like kdar |
| 19:48.54 | toby | or something |
| 19:49.03 | Li\Sou | sarge is not 3.0? ooh... |
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| 19:49.14 | Li\Sou | toby, is this for me? |
| 19:49.18 | ActiveMatrix | sry bout that |
| 19:49.26 | toby | Li\Sou: try and see |
| 19:49.36 | toby | I never used it, but heard good things/ |
| 19:49.53 | Li\Sou | ok, im using gnome, but i reckon i can use kdar in gnome environment toby? |
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| 19:50.06 | toby | hmm.. maybe :/ |
| 19:50.08 | mwilson | What's wrong with simple ol' tar to do backups with? |
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| 19:50.15 | Gnea | ok |
| 19:50.21 | spdf | Li\Sou, Yes, You can use KDE aps in Gnome.. |
| 19:50.23 | Gnea | something is seriously wrong now. |
| 19:50.24 | directhex | where the fuck did people get the idea that kde apps only run in kde, etc? really, where's the origin for it? SO many people seem to beleive it |
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| 19:50.35 | toby | nvz: isn't 1/8" already the smallest adapter |
| 19:50.35 | mwilson | directhex: because it's true. |
| 19:50.38 | nvz | this 1/16" stuff is a PIMA |
| 19:50.41 | toby | the most common one for headphones and stuff |
| 19:50.41 | Li\Sou | ok, thanx spdf, is kdar available in apt-get? |
| 19:50.41 | mwilson | directhex: Same as Gnome. |
| 19:50.55 | Phated | directhex: With the amount of deps you have, might as well just install the other DE as well. |
| 19:51.02 | spdf | directhex, They run with kde specific libraries... |
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| 19:51.11 | directhex | so fucking what? |
| 19:51.13 | mwilson | directhex: Both of them are so complex now, you have to install the entire infrastructure for them to make their apps work. |
| 19:51.19 | Gnea | i just upgraded mozilla (the standard mozilla browser.. in addition to firefox) to the latest version (1.7.5) in SID and, just like firefox, it now also segfaults constantly when handed any PRINT function |
| 19:51.30 | nvz | toby: nope the stuff I am working with is all 1/16" and I am hesitant to cut or modify any wires I have cause they are expensive and hard to find.. if I could use normal 1/8" stuff for testing it would go alot smoother |
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| 19:51.36 | Gnea | what the FUCK people! |
| 19:51.50 | toby | nvz: never ehard of 1/16", ill have to check that out. |
| 19:51.51 | spdf | Gnea, You're using Sid, wtf did you expect? |
| 19:51.52 | toresbe | what the FUCK Gnea ! |
| 19:51.53 | toby | heard* |
| 19:51.53 | tomb0y | such a polite way to ask for help lmao |
| 19:51.55 | mwilson | directhex: You *like* installing a couple hundred meg of crud just to get one app to work? Especially when that particular app doesn't use any of the crud you're having to install? |
| 19:51.55 | tarzeau | Gnea: do you a .lpotion file in your $HOME ? |
| 19:51.56 | paster | "carrett" at 68.127.27.191 pasted "2.6.10 + ide-cd + cdrecord errors in /var/log/messages" (19 lines) at http://channels.debian.net/paste/195 |
| 19:52.08 | Gnea | tarzeau: never heard of that |
| 19:52.11 | carrett | anyone want to tell me if those errors spell a shitty writer? |
| 19:52.13 | dave_ | hhstnoc, hey... got a question. i found some of the utils i need on the compaq site... but they are windows execuables, so... how can i extract them? |
| 19:52.16 | mwilson | Gnea: Well, start by shooting xprint, if you're using it. |
| 19:52.20 | carrett | or is there something else i can do? |
| 19:52.26 | tarzeau | Gnea: what do you expect from a browser that is the worst browser ever? |
| 19:52.27 | Gnea | mwilson: got rid of that eons ago |
| 19:52.35 | toresbe | tarzeau: uh... |
| 19:52.38 | spdf | Gnea, Fair enough...I haven't got a clue how to help you.. |
| 19:52.47 | tarzeau | toresbe: and openoffice.org is the worst office suite i saw |
| 19:52.49 | wntd | dammit; phpinfo() reports that the client API version is 3.23.56. I have php4-mysql, mysql-client-4.1, and mysql-server-4.1 installed. I'm goint to curl up into a fetal position and cry now |
| 19:53.00 | Gnea | tarzeau: next thing you'll be telling me that microsoft has something better ;) |
| 19:53.02 | directhex | mwilson, i use a fair few of the apps in both kde and gnome, and have broadband, so i'm not all that fussed. the fact remains that, space considerations aside, there is nothing preventing use of KApp in Gnome, or Gapp in kde. |
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| 19:53.09 | nvz | toby: they're everywhere.. the TI line of graphic calculators have used them for link ports for like a decade, cell phones and FRS radios use them for headsets. |
| 19:53.19 | tarzeau | Gnea, toresbe OmniWeb :) |
| 19:53.23 | toby | microsoft anti-spyware is actually a nice application |
| 19:53.31 | Gnea | tarzeau: regardless, tell me more of this .lpoption... |
| 19:53.34 | mwilson | directhex: I've never met a KDE application for which there wasn't an better alternative. |
| 19:53.44 | tarzeau | Gnea: do you have that in your $HOME ? |
| 19:53.46 | toresbe | mwilson: celestia |
| 19:53.47 | toby | nvz: ahh yes, the TI calculators |
| 19:53.49 | mwilson | directhex: And few Gnome apps for which there wasn't a better one. |
| 19:53.56 | directhex | mwilson, perhaps, but beside the original point |
| 19:53.58 | Gnea | wtf |
| 19:54.02 | mwilson | toresbe: celestia isn't either one. |
| 19:54.02 | Gnea | -rw-r--r-- 1 gnea gnea 233 Nov 30 19:37 .lpoptions |
| 19:54.10 | toresbe | mwilson: No, wait, that can be built DE-neutral, sorry |
| 19:54.10 | mwilson | toresbe: Unless you build it that way. |
| 19:54.11 | Gnea | yeah... it's there... |
| 19:54.14 | Gnea | lemme guess |
| 19:54.17 | Gnea | get rid of it? |
| 19:54.18 | tarzeau | Gnea: can you rename or remove it? |
| 19:54.24 | tarzeau | Gnea: BINGO! |
| 19:54.25 | directhex | mwilson, which is the wrong assertion people have picked up somewhere that apps are de-specific & cannot be run outside of that de |
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| 19:54.42 | nvz | toby: I am, against FCC regulations testing military ideas in a civilian bussiness mans world.. heh I just put my frs radios back together, they are the cheapest platform I have to test things on right now. |
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| 19:55.01 | toby | nvz: :P |
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| 19:55.09 | mwilson | directhex: Even if, for instance, k3b was actually worth the powder it'd take to blow it to hell, I'd not install half a gig of crud just to make it run. |
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| 19:55.23 | Xenguy | mms:// question: I'm trying to view a webcam picture with Firefox/gxine -- it's using a mms:// URL. Does anyone have any tips on how I can view it (preferably using firefox) ? |
| 19:55.24 | Gnea | tarzeau: negative houstan, we still have full malfunction in both boosters |
| 19:55.33 | directhex | mwilson, i don't give two shits what you will or will not install. telling people that k3b only works in kde is flat out wrong |
| 19:55.35 | mwilson | directhex: That just adds unnecessary complexity to the task of managing the box. |
| 19:55.55 | Gnea | Xenguy: mplayer and xine support mms:// |
| 19:55.56 | tarzeau | Gnea: removing it helped printing with mozilla 1.7.5 at work. at home i don't use crappy browsers |
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| 19:56.14 | Gnea | tarzeau: ÀÄ[~ ¯ mv .lpoptions dot_lpoptions |
| 19:56.22 | toby | O_o |
| 19:56.25 | tarzeau | Gnea: and then restarted mozilla? |
| 19:56.29 | Xenguy | Gnea: AFAIK I have the plugins configured, but no joy |
| 19:56.30 | Gnea | yes |
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| 19:56.34 | toresbe | tarzeau: what do you use at home then? |
| 19:56.36 | Gnea | i tried it with firefox and mozilla |
| 19:56.36 | E-bola | ieee1394: sbp2: Logged into SBP-2 device |
| 19:56.36 | E-bola | ieee1394: sbp2: Node 0-01:1023: Max speed [S400] - Max payload [2048] |
| 19:56.40 | Gnea | and they both still segfault |
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| 19:56.43 | E-bola | does that mean a firewire drive was detected? |
| 19:56.45 | tarzeau | Gnea: well they both suck |
| 19:56.56 | directhex | right, i'm off to play games |
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| 19:57.01 | spdf | E-bola, I'd think so.. on /dev/sbp2? |
| 19:57.02 | toby | tarzeau: so what do you use? :p |
| 19:57.02 | Li\Sou | another question, do anyone know if gdesklets popmail is configurable to play sound when Got mail? |
| 19:57.03 | tarzeau | directhex: which games do you play? |
| 19:57.05 | mwilson | Gnea: I never have any trouble printing with mozcrap, but then again, I use a real print spooler (lprng) and a real postscript printer. |
| 19:57.09 | joefso | How do I find all package by a certain maintainer? |
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| 19:57.13 | nvz | my main concerns with FRS are the half-duplex nature of them, which I am currently trying to circumvent, and I dont understand how the quiet channels work.. seems 4:20 broadcast is still heard on 4 and 4:20, but somehow all other sub-channels are quieted *shrug* |
| 19:57.16 | Gnea | tarzeau: this is not good. i require their features AND i require them to print. |
| 19:57.20 | tarzeau | toby: i'm still waiting for a good GNUstep one. but i can live currently with dillo, links2 and galeon |
| 19:57.29 | toby | fair enough. |
| 19:57.31 | Gnea | mwilson: i'm using cups |
| 19:57.34 | mwilson | tarzeau: I just wish links2 could print. |
| 19:57.37 | tarzeau | joefso: packages.debian.org/package then developer info |
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| 19:57.42 | mwilson | Gnea: You have my sympathy. |
| 19:57.44 | Gnea | and cups is stable as a mofo |
| 19:57.45 | E-bola | spdf: nope |
| 19:57.46 | tarzeau | mwilson: i'm glad i don't have a printer at home :) |
| 19:57.47 | caphuso | joefso: grep-available |
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| 19:57.57 | E-bola | as far as i know, firewire drives are supposed to show up as scsi drives? |
| 19:58.00 | carrett | i'm trying to burn without ide-scsi in 2.6.10 and i'm getting a lot of "status timeout" and "request sense failure" entries in my /var/log/messages, can anyone tell me if it's my writer, my kernel, both? any help would be great. i can paste the errors in #flood or paster if you like. |
| 19:58.03 | Gnea | i can print using things like xpdf and gv just fine, among other applications |
| 19:58.18 | resiak | E-bola: Yews. |
| 19:58.20 | wntd | Can someone explain why PHP's Client API version is 3.23.56 instead of the 4.1.8 it needs to be? |
| 19:58.21 | resiak | E-bola: Without the w. |
| 19:58.25 | edt | carrett try as root |
| 19:58.32 | resiak | wntd: Maybe your PHP is not v4? |
| 19:58.34 | carrett | edt: i have been trying as root. |
| 19:58.42 | Li\Sou | what about network printers? or printers installed on other OS(mac osx) in the same network? |
| 19:58.44 | toby | wntd: compile php and mysql |
| 19:58.48 | Gnea | wntd: you sure that's PHP and not MySQL? |
| 19:58.51 | E-bola | resiak: so if my drive is detected, but not mapped to /dev/sdx what do i do? |
| 19:58.55 | mwilson | I'm surprised that you can print from xpdf... the craptastic PS output its pdftops tool produces crashes every real PS printer I've ever thrown it at. The only thing that seems to be able to interpret it without dying is ghostscript. |
| 19:58.57 | E-bola | and how can i know it have been detected? |
| 19:59.15 | edt | command filtering still has some work to be done for non root. with k3b root works here. |
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| 19:59.35 | resiak | E-bola: To answer the latter question, dmesg. To answer the former question, you might want to modprobe the appropriate modules before plugging it in. I'm just trying to remember what said appropriate modules are. |
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| 20:00.03 | E-bola | resiak: i have modprobed the 2 necesary modules (ieee1394 and sbp2) |
| 20:00.06 | spdf | E-bola, What kind of firewire controller? |
| 20:00.13 | wntd | first I couldn't connect at *all*, then I installed php4-mysql, and now it complains about needing to upgrade the MySQL client |
| 20:00.15 | Gnea | mwilson: heh, yeah, the only thing i noticed with this last print was the fact that the first page (of 4) got printed 3 times... probably had to do with the fact that i had to restart cupsys and hpoj after mounting /proc/bus/usb by hand |
| 20:00.18 | E-bola | regarding dmesg, i see lots of lines about firewire stuff, but not sure what they mean |
| 20:00.25 | Gnea | since fstab isn't handling it right with 2.6.10 |
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| 20:00.37 | E-bola | FireWire (IEEE 1394): Texas Instruments TSB12LV26 IEEE-1394 Controller (Link) |
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| 20:00.42 | Gnea | probably a mountall.sh bug |
| 20:00.44 | resiak | E-bola: In dmesg, do you see a /dev/sd? mentioned anywhere? |
| 20:00.48 | mwilson | Gnea: On the one machine I have that's actually using CUPS, I shorted out its use of pdftops and substituted a wrapper that used ghostscript's pdf2ps tool just so that I could print PDF's. |
| 20:00.51 | E-bola | resiak: no :( |
| 20:00.56 | resiak | E-bola: Are you using udev, perchance? |
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| 20:01.03 | Fyron | I believe my X config file has been screwed up somehow, as the screen display becomes garbled around the time that X starts up. How can I bypass the normal boot method and go straight to a command line so that I can fix this file? |
| 20:01.29 | E-bola | resiak: soey i dont know what that is.? |
| 20:01.36 | mwilson | Gnea: I was about to file a bug against CUPS, then the maintainer went insane and I decided not to bother. |
| 20:01.40 | resiak | E-bola: Do you use gnome? |
| 20:01.43 | Gnea | mwilson: that's really weird. i've run cups in a variety of situations and each and everytime it has performed to spec |
| 20:01.48 | E-bola | My firewire drive, is a 1tb lacie. |
| 20:01.49 | mwilson | Gnea: Fixed it for me and that's all that matters. |
| 20:01.50 | jethro | where can I get support for freenode services? |
| 20:01.50 | spdf | E-bola, are sd_mod and scsi_mod modules loaded? |
| 20:01.50 | Rage_ | Fyron ctrl-alt-F1 |
| 20:01.52 | E-bola | resiak: no purely console |
| 20:01.58 | resiak | E-bola: dpkg -l udev |
| 20:01.58 | sepski | Fyron, ctrl+alt+f1 when you have te garbles screen |
| 20:02.01 | livingtm | I just ran "apt-get upgrade", and it has been stuck for several hours now saying "unpacking replacement mysql-server". Is this normal? |
| 20:02.05 | E-bola | resiak: nope they arent |
| 20:02.21 | resiak | spdf: ^^ |
| 20:02.21 | spdf | E-bola, Was that nope for me? |
| 20:02.22 | Gnea | mwilson: yeah, what IS up with debian package maintainers lately anyway? they smoking too much dope? |
| 20:02.24 | Fyron | Thanks |
| 20:02.26 | resiak | spdf: Yes. |
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| 20:02.34 | E-bola | i am not using udev, should i? |
| 20:02.39 | resiak | E-bola: No :) |
| 20:02.39 | spdf | E-bola, modprobe sd_mod |
| 20:02.45 | spdf | E-bola, modprobe scsi_mod |
| 20:02.54 | resiak | E-bola: I was checking because it's known to fuck things up. |
| 20:02.54 | mwilson | Gnea: The pdftops binary backend in CUPS is based on xpdf's pdftops. The CUPS maintainer went insane and decided that wasn't good enough for him, so he started using the xpdf one instead. |
| 20:03.10 | E-bola | k the scsi modules loaded now |
| 20:03.11 | mwilson | Gnea: And the xpdf one is trash. Not that the one CUPS ships is much better. |
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| 20:03.27 | E-bola | what do i then do? |
| 20:03.30 | spdf | E-bola, You loaded both of those? |
| 20:03.34 | resiak | E-bola: Unplug, plug in. |
| 20:03.37 | resiak | E-bola: Pray. |
| 20:03.41 | resiak | E-bola: Or whatever you do :) |
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| 20:03.54 | Gnea | mwilson: so instead of following proper development model he took the closed-source method? |
| 20:04.03 | ribnitz | back. |
| 20:04.05 | mwilson | Gnea: On top of that, pdf2ps creates PS files half the size of pdftops. |
| 20:04.12 | mwilson | Gnea: For the same output. |
| 20:04.14 | E-bola | spdf: yes i just loaded them as u specified |
| 20:04.16 | Gnea | ... |
| 20:04.22 | spdf | E-bola, Okay..Any messages? |
| 20:04.30 | tarzeau | spdf: you have anything to do with PDF? |
| 20:04.31 | loke_ | !beer everyone |
| 20:04.35 | E-bola | spdf: just form loading them? no |
| 20:04.48 | Gnea | mwilson: "insane" is most definately the proper term. |
| 20:04.55 | spdf | tarzeau, Er..Uh....Super PDF...TO THE RESCUE....But actually...nothing at all.. |
| 20:05.02 | toby | E-bola: unplug and plug in the firewire drive |
| 20:05.11 | ribnitz | mwilson: can int handle "ecryped" pdfs? |
| 20:05.22 | null-n-void | Now I'm really confused. Windows Disk Management shows a 181 GB NTFS and 5GB of unallocated space. FIPS shows a big NTFS and nothing else (no free space). Testdisk sometimes shows the NTFS with nothing else, sometimes the NTFS with a FAT32 LBA, and sometimes the NTFS with 2 Linux partitions with the same starting and ending locations. |
| 20:05.24 | mwilson | ribnitz: Dunno... never tried. |
| 20:05.35 | nvz | something I havent even began to think about much yet... But I always wanted to play with, is making a cable and a kernel driver to allow any sound card to be turned into a modem |
| 20:05.37 | E-bola | Jan 16 20:06:26 localhost kernel: ieee1394: sbp2: Reconnected to SBP-2 device |
| 20:05.37 | E-bola | Jan 16 20:06:27 localhost kernel: ieee1394: sbp2: Logged out of SBP-2 device |
| 20:05.37 | E-bola | Jan 16 20:06:37 localhost kernel: ieee1394: sbp2: Reconnected to SBP-2 device |
| 20:05.46 | E-bola | unplugging and replugging, put that in my messages log |
| 20:05.51 | tarzeau | spdf: heh :) |
| 20:05.52 | Gnea | null-n-void: FIPS is NOT designed to work with NTFS. |
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| 20:06.13 | Gnea | null-n-void: in fact, FIPS should not be used with anything anymore. |
| 20:06.17 | E-bola | Jan 16 20:07:04 localhost ieee1394.agent[18316]: sbp2: already loaded |
| 20:06.17 | null-n-void | Gnea: Yeah, I know. I figure it should be able to see the freespace, though. Guess not. |
| 20:06.19 | mwilson | Gnea: Yes, but a partition table is a partition table, which is what I think he's getting at. |
| 20:06.30 | Gnea | agreed |
| 20:06.31 | spdf | tarzeau, I used to write SPDF on the bathroom cleaning logs when I worked crappy fast food jobs... "Some Punk Didn't Flush", it was my excuse for taking too long to plunge down a turd.. |
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| 20:06.41 | ribnitz | mwilson: which in that case is incosistent? |
| 20:06.44 | spdf | E-bola, Check your /dev's now.. |
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| 20:06.54 | E-bola | spdf: do i need ot run MAKEDEV first? |
| 20:06.54 | Gnea | null-n-void: have you considered parted? |
| 20:06.58 | mwilson | ribnitz: I'd think so, yes. |
| 20:07.03 | null-n-void | parted, never heard of it. |
| 20:07.06 | spdf | E-bola, Give'r... |
| 20:07.08 | Gnea | oh my. |
| 20:07.18 | daft- | How can I change the keyboard layout - sould be / and stuff?? |
| 20:07.22 | E-bola | spdf: sory? |
| 20:07.24 | mwilson | ribnitz: I've never played much with repartitioning tools for *nix... my solution is always back the data up, then repartition. |
| 20:07.26 | ribnitz | null-n-void: the best partitioning tool there is. |
| 20:07.29 | caphuso | daft-: /msg dpkg keymap |
| 20:07.31 | tarzeau | daft-: x or console? |
| 20:07.37 | null-n-void | is parted for linux, then? |
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| 20:07.46 | spdf | E-bola, Give'r = "Go nuts. Do it. Why not. I don't know." |
| 20:07.46 | ribnitz | null-n-void: yep |
| 20:07.51 | null-n-void | I'm in windows now. |
| 20:07.55 | daft- | thanx |
| 20:07.55 | Gnea | null-n-void: then perhaps you should consider moving out of the town of bedrock ;) |
| 20:08.03 | Phated | mwilson: Get a room you two. |
| 20:08.05 | E-bola | snows:/dev# MAKEDEV update |
| 20:08.05 | E-bola | /sbin/MAKEDEV: don't know what "tts" is |
| 20:08.05 | E-bola | /sbin/MAKEDEV: don't know what "ieee1394" is |
| 20:08.09 | E-bola | hmmm? |
| 20:08.10 | sepski | mwilson, i never repartition either, "just add more drives!" |
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| 20:08.42 | mwilson | sepski: Yah, I'm preparing to replace a 160 gb RAID5 with a 600 gb RAID5 at the moment. |
| 20:08.46 | Gnea | null-n-void: yes, it's for linux... you could also try partitionmagic |
| 20:08.50 | wntd | h'okay, mysql.so is in /usr/lib/php4/20020429/ |
| 20:08.53 | null-n-void | I used to have luck with cfdisk, but cfdisk won't even start. |
| 20:08.57 | wntd | I assume that means it's ancient :( |
| 20:09.03 | ribnitz | Darn, I have a 3.2Ghz machine with Hyperthreading and it takes 50 mins to rip a chapter of a dvd? |
| 20:09.21 | mwilson | ribnitz: Sounds more like it's drive-dependent. |
| 20:09.22 | sepski | mwilson, hmm my 800GB raid5 is at 85% som im begining to worry |
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| 20:09.41 | FlopsyPete | 'I get 'Error activating XKB configuration' when Gnome loads on every Sarge system I setup, using various 'generic 104/105' key selections. what should I look at to fix it? |
| 20:09.45 | mwilson | sepski: Oh, I've already got two other .5 TB RAID5's here in the house. |
| 20:09.50 | Gnea | ribnitz: uniprocessor? |
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| 20:10.05 | ribnitz | Gnea: uniprocessor, with 2 virtual cpus. |
| 20:10.17 | ribnitz | Gnea: intel 540 series |
| 20:10.28 | Gnea | ribnitz: 'virtual cpus'? *perk* |
| 20:10.29 | mwilson | sepski: I'm really considering going with adding another drive to this one and making it an 800 gb array before I assemble it. |
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| 20:10.36 | spdf | sepski, 800gb of torrent's 'eh? :) |
| 20:10.37 | sepski | mwilson, you dont keep all your eggs in one basket i see. :) |
| 20:10.41 | Zylogue | greetings...what is the package name for the exchagne connector for Evoluiont? |
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| 20:10.44 | null-n-void | The problem cfdisk gives is a "bad primary partition 0: partition ends after end-of-disk". Any idea on how to fix this? |
| 20:10.48 | Gnea | ribnitz: oh wait, i get it |
| 20:10.57 | ribnitz | Gnea: then tell me what Hyoerthreading really is? |
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| 20:11.05 | mwilson | sepski: I'm not the only person storing data on them. |
| 20:11.08 | spdf | Zylogue, Evolution? |
| 20:11.15 | toby | evolution is a wm |
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| 20:11.16 | toby | iirc |
| 20:11.21 | Phated | Er, no. |
| 20:11.23 | resiak | toby: No. |
| 20:11.25 | evilmegaman | I think the resolution is too low. How do I change it? |
| 20:11.25 | toby | O_o |
| 20:11.26 | mwilson | evolution is a MUA. |
| 20:11.26 | Phated | Enlightenment in the WM. |
| 20:11.27 | Gnea | ribnitz: just never thought of it that way |
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| 20:11.27 | resiak | toby: It's a PIM. |
| 20:11.33 | Phated | is. |
| 20:11.39 | sepski | spdf it's my pvr storage, and its mostly tv series that dont air here |
| 20:11.49 | mwilson | But even thunderbird is a better MUA than evocrap is. |
| 20:11.50 | toby | oops ^-^ |
| 20:11.50 | resiak | Zylogue: apt-cache search evolution exchange |
| 20:11.59 | resiak | Zylogue: It may not be in Debian yet |
| 20:12.10 | ribnitz | Gnea: they sell it as "two cpu thing", but in fact its just a slighlty better queue management. |
| 20:12.11 | Phated | mwilson: That's the first I haven't seen you type thundercrap. :) |
| 20:12.12 | Zylogue | thanks... |
| 20:12.13 | sepski | you can only watch _so_ many comedy shows before flipping. |
| 20:12.14 | Fyron | Hitting ctrl + alt + f1 when the screen display becomes garbled did not have any affect |
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| 20:12.32 | mwilson | Phated: <shrug> Sometimes I slip. |
| 20:12.40 | Phated | mwilson: True. |
| 20:12.51 | Gnea | oh man |
| 20:12.53 | ribnitz | mwilson: What thundercrap needs to improve massively on is printing. |
| 20:12.58 | Gnea | i'm thinking of the thundercats themesong now |
| 20:13.05 | mwilson | Evolution is so screwed up it can't even handle its own mail store properly. |
| 20:13.14 | Gnea | obviously, replacing 'cats' with 'craps' |
| 20:13.17 | toresbe | Gnea: hyperthreading |
| 20:13.40 | toresbe | Gnea: Uh, never mind |
| 20:13.43 | evilmegaman | how do I change screen reslution? |
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| 20:13.46 | Gnea | toresbe: :) |
| 20:13.46 | mwilson | Try it sometime... erase .evolution (or start fresh), then launch it from the console and let it create everything. Then watch it spew error messages about the directories *it* just created. |
| 20:13.50 | spdf | E-bola, is ochi1394 module loaded? |
| 20:13.52 | ribnitz | mwilson: All I expect from a MUA is to be able to access an IMAP store. |
| 20:13.55 | sepski | Fyron, try it twice and 3 times sometimes it's a bit tricky to catch, also try ctrl+alt+backspace , or modify your grub to boot into singelusermode, or ssh into your box remotely and kill your xdm/gdm/kdm |
| 20:14.05 | resiak | mwilson: I will do at some point. |
| 20:14.10 | resiak | mwilson: It worksforme, though. |
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| 20:14.14 | Gnea | well anyway |
| 20:14.21 | toresbe | I think I'ma call it a night |
| 20:14.26 | Gnea | i still need to be able to print |
| 20:14.32 | mwilson | ribnitz: I dunno about thundercrap |
| 20:14.33 | E-bola | spdf: yes its loaded, but it says (unused) |
| 20:14.36 | mwilson | ribnitz: I dunno about thundercrap's printing... |
| 20:14.36 | toresbe | It's a night |
| 20:14.38 | toresbe | night folks |
| 20:14.42 | toby | later |
| 20:14.45 | sepski | toresbe, natta |
| 20:14.59 | spdf | E-bola, Odd.. |
| 20:15.00 | Fyron | The box also fails to communicate with the DHCP server for the new router I have, so SSH isnt a possibility... |
| 20:15.16 | sepski | Fyron, singelusemode then |
| 20:15.17 | E-bola | im using a 2.4 kernel, that should be fine right? |
| 20:15.19 | Fyron | I do not have grub, but lilo |
| 20:15.30 | spdf | E-bola, Probably not.. |
| 20:15.30 | Gnea | E-bola: which 2.4 kernel? |
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| 20:15.37 | mwilson | ribnitz: Most of the problems I was having I found were due to the fact that I was running it on OS X, it was generating PDF's for printing, and the CUPS server I was printing to was crashing the printer when it tried to digest it. (see above discussion about insanity of CUPS maintainer). |
| 20:15.43 | spdf | E-bola, It depends on which version I'd think.. |
| 20:15.45 | sepski | Fyron, well still singeluser mode |
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| 20:15.55 | E-bola | 2.4.27 |
| 20:15.57 | mwilson | ribnitz: So I don't actually know what you might think is wrong with how it prints. |
| 20:16.11 | evilmegaman | How do I get newer versions of the kernel? |
| 20:16.17 | spdf | E-bola, Try 2.6 perhaps.. |
| 20:16.31 | resiak | evilmegaman: apt-cache search kernel-image; pick one; apt-get install kernel-image-fooooo |
| 20:16.38 | sepski | anything better then adobe postscript driver for printing to cups from windows ? |
| 20:16.42 | evilmegaman | Ok thanks resiak |
| 20:16.51 | resiak | evilmegaman: Where fooooo is of course a variable. |
| 20:17.01 | evilmegaman | definately :) |
| 20:17.03 | mwilson | sepski: The normal PS driver works well enough... you don't need to replace it with the Adobe one unless you like pain. |
| 20:17.06 | E-bola | spdf: maybe a stupid question, but can u update to 2.6 with apt-get? |
| 20:17.10 | resiak | evilmegaman: Yes. |
| 20:17.13 | spdf | E-bola, You bet |
| 20:17.15 | resiak | E-bola: ^^ |
| 20:17.21 | resiak | E-bola: See what I just told evilmegaman :) |
| 20:17.30 | spdf | E-bola, apt-cache search kernel-image, look for 2.6 |
| 20:17.39 | mwilson | I wouldn't have CUPS at all in the house save that it deals with brain-dead inkjets better than lprng ever will. |
| 20:17.49 | Gnea | hrmmm... |
| 20:17.50 | Gnea | grep: /etc/locale.alias: No such file or directory |
| 20:17.54 | evilmegaman | Oh and How do I change resolution? |
| 20:18.01 | E-bola | ok kewl |
| 20:18.03 | E-bola | ile try that then |
| 20:18.11 | evilmegaman | screen resolution that is |
| 20:18.22 | resiak | !drxx |
| 20:18.22 | dpkg | drxx is probably dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xfree86 |
| 20:18.25 | resiak | evilmegaman: ^^ |
| 20:18.30 | evilmegaman | thanks :) |
| 20:18.35 | resiak | evilmegaman: Then Ctrl-Alt-+ |
| 20:18.37 | sepski | mwilson, there is one included in windows98 ? |
| 20:18.44 | resiak | evilmegaman: Or Ctrl-Alt-- for up and down. |
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| 20:18.53 | mwilson | One of these days I'll flowchart what CUPS actually does and then write my own script that does the same thing. |
| 20:19.00 | mwilson | sepski: Of course. |
| 20:19.00 | evilmegaman | :) thanks resiak |
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| 20:19.13 | resiak | !drxx $1 is <reply> $1: dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xfree86 (as root) |
| 20:19.13 | dpkg | resiak: okay |
| 20:19.18 | mwilson | Then I can be free of evil CUPS. |
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| 20:19.58 | ribnitz | mwilson: evil CUPS? |
| 20:20.21 | bucky | evil proprietary cpus |
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| 20:20.36 | mwilson | ribnitz: Yes. I only put CUPS on one of the house boxen to deal with the inkjets. |
| 20:20.48 | E-bola | ahh guys |
| 20:20.51 | E-bola | found a guide on it |
| 20:20.54 | mwilson | ribnitz: lprng is a much more robust and reliable solution. |
| 20:20.55 | E-bola | http://goland.org/Tech/linuxfirewire.htm |
| 20:20.59 | ribnitz | mwilson: all else is LPR(ng)? |
| 20:21.01 | E-bola | that script it has did the trick :) |
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| 20:21.29 | grivell | mwilson: Cups has accounting features. Charge residents 40 cents a page ;) |
| 20:21.29 | mwilson | ribnitz: Yep. Aside from the inkjets, all I own are real printers. |
| 20:21.36 | mwilson | grivell: So does lprng. |
| 20:21.45 | mwilson | grivell: And lprng does a much better job of it. |
| 20:21.59 | ribnitz | Any idea how I can get dvd::rip to burn a dvd (without transcoding to SVCD or whatever)? |
| 20:22.30 | ribnitz | mwilson: cups is faster to set up. |
| 20:22.31 | mwilson | Unfortunately I think lprng isn't long for the world... the ML has died. |
| 20:22.36 | mwilson | ribnitz: Hardly. |
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| 20:23.01 | mwilson | Install package, write one line printcap, print. |
| 20:23.16 | tarzeau | can cups be setup without a browser? |
| 20:23.23 | caphuso | tarzeau: sure |
| 20:23.30 | mwilson | tarzeau: Yes, although you have to have an advanced degree in obscure. |
| 20:23.40 | ribnitz | tarzeau: yes, but with browser it much more convenient. |
| 20:23.43 | mwilson | Or enjoy typing sanskrit to lpoptions. |
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| 20:24.13 | tarzeau | at least that's better than writing XML |
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| 20:25.08 | julien | hello |
| 20:25.17 | mwilson | CUPS is much more complex than it needs to be. |
| 20:25.18 | julien | is it me, or is grub-install broken in sid ? |
| 20:25.25 | resiak | !btssmite julien |
| 20:25.25 | dpkg | Hey, julien: I tried to figure out what your malfunction was, but http://bugs.debian.org/julien came up empty. |
| 20:25.31 | julien | i get a segfault when grub-installing |
| 20:25.32 | resiak | Uh, sorry. |
| 20:25.35 | resiak | julien: Have you checked the bts? |
| 20:25.42 | julien | thanks |
| 20:25.44 | mwilson | Printing is basically "here's postscript, shove it at the printer". |
| 20:25.48 | mwilson | Or it should be. |
| 20:25.58 | ribnitz | mwilson: more or less. |
| 20:25.59 | resiak | julien: If your bug isn't there, file it, perhaps. |
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| 20:26.02 | joefso | caphuso: hmm odd grep-availble does only grab one package while a certain maintainer has more |
| 20:26.05 | sepski | mwilson, yes with real printers but they are not to many of them nowadays |
| 20:26.55 | julien | i'll double-check before |
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| 20:26.55 | McQuaid | i want to install xfce 4.2. i'm in sid but there are testing sources |
| 20:26.55 | caphuso | joefso: is your available file up-to-date? |
| 20:26.55 | mwilson | sepski: Anyone who buys a laser printer than doesn't speak postscript deserves what happens to them. |
| 20:26.55 | ribnitz | McQuaid: works here fine |
| 20:26.55 | Phated | McQuaid: They work in sid. |
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| 20:26.55 | julien | i run it on a sid-adm64 and a S-ATA disk, i don't know where this comes from exactly |
| 20:26.55 | sepski | mwilson, i dont complain, that means more work houers for me |
| 20:26.58 | McQuaid | ya i read that as well |
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| 20:27.17 | grivell | mwilson: What laser prints images as well as inkjet? |
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| 20:27.21 | McQuaid | but what about when they eventually make it to sid. uninstall it and remove the testing sources? |
| 20:27.23 | ribnitz | mwilson: The porblem I find more and more annoying is paper handling. |
| 20:27.28 | mwilson | Cheesy plastic HP/Brother printers sold at Office Despot as loss-leaders that don't survive past their second toner cartridge... |
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| 20:27.40 | Phated | McQuaid: Not an issue, apt will always fetch the latest packages. |
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| 20:27.57 | ribnitz | mwilson: printer does postscript/PCL and all, 32 ppm, but only has a 100 sheet tray. |
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| 20:28.08 | McQuaid | ok i'll try em. should i uninstall the 4.0.6 from sid first, or just add the source and update? |
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| 20:28.20 | mwilson | ribnitz: Yeah, what moron designs a 32 ppm engine, and only provides 100 pages? |
| 20:28.22 | cpm79 | nabend zusammen |
| 20:28.22 | ribnitz | McQuaid: uninstall, reinstall |
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| 20:28.38 | Phated | McQuaid: Yes, you should uninstall current sid xfce4. |
| 20:28.47 | ribnitz | mwilson: that example was taken from the HP 2200 series |
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| 20:29.03 | pointer-gaim | does the latest debian-installer (sarge) not support the 3ware 9500s? |
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| 20:29.43 | ribnitz | mwilson: my next printer will probably be a lexmark. |
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| 20:29.47 | mwilson | Ew. |
| 20:29.53 | mwilson | You hate yourself that much? |
| 20:29.56 | sepski | ribnitz, you have my sympathy |
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| 20:30.12 | ribnitz | mwilson: The series S.. work just great. |
| 20:30.16 | mwilson | Or are you not telling us about the gun being held to your head? |
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| 20:30.34 | zinx | do they have that idiotic lexmark feeder on them? |
| 20:30.52 | ribnitz | mwilson: So you are telling me the crappy hplj Series 4 is better? |
| 20:31.21 | mwilson | An LJ4 is an excellent printer, albeit slow by today's standards. |
| 20:31.38 | mwilson | I wouldn't recommend to ANYONE that they buy a 4xxx printer. |
| 20:31.46 | Li\Sou | Need help with setting up remote printer(mac osx, epson stylus cx3200) from debian |
| 20:32.20 | mwilson | Plus you can put a bullet through a LJ4 and it still prints. |
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| 20:32.45 | Phated | mwilson: Now you're just making me want to test that on the school LJ. |
| 20:32.45 | mwilson | Cartridges will be available for years, and they're easily repaired by all but the most fumble-fingered. |
| 20:33.13 | Li\Sou | anyone know how to set up network printers? |
| 20:33.18 | sepski | mwilson, a local cleaning lady dropped a bucket of used water into a lj4+ it still printets a year after |
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| 20:33.34 | mwilson | sepski: As I said. They're indesructible. |
| 20:33.42 | mwilson | indestructible, even. |
| 20:33.45 | daft- | li\sou try cups |
| 20:33.51 | Li\Sou | i did... |
| 20:33.56 | sepski | had to replace the paper tho, it was all in one solid paper block |
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| 20:34.03 | streuner_ | Li\Sou: wtf are you asking here for OSX support? |
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| 20:34.20 | mwilson | I think he's saying that the printer is hosted by OS X, he wants to print to it from Debian. |
| 20:34.23 | Phated | sepski: That's an awesome story. |
| 20:34.27 | streuner_ | troll somewhere else |
| 20:34.31 | simonrvn | Li\Sou: netatalk 2 |
| 20:34.48 | Li\Sou | streuner: i can print to the osx printer from win machines. just not from debian. why shouldnt i ask in here then?? |
| 20:34.49 | xnor | if i buy a aopen geforce 6800 LE will i get it to work with X in linux(debian)? is the card ok for hl2 ? |
| 20:34.51 | simonrvn | for cups + papd integration |
| 20:34.55 | flycast | how to i power up my wireless adapter? Ive got ndiswrapper installed, and everything is working but the power led isnt coming on |
| 20:35.00 | simonrvn | Li\Sou: ^^^ |
| 20:35.02 | ribnitz | mwilson: thougfh expensive, if you want good paper handling, duplex, and reasonable real-world performance of at least 10-12 ppm (duplex) |
| 20:35.11 | Li\Sou | simonrvn: netatalk2? whats that? |
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| 20:35.18 | zirikili | I've just installed jabberd with apt-get. how can I add users to it? |
| 20:35.18 | simonrvn | Li\Sou: i have .debs for ppc, and patch for the debian diff |
| 20:35.20 | sepski | Phated, the printer was placed rather stupidly so the cleaners allways used it for their bucket stand |
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| 20:35.26 | sepski | now they have a nice trolly :P |
| 20:35.34 | mwilson | li\sou: Let's cut to the chase here... where is the printer hosted? |
| 20:35.34 | Phated | Haha. |
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| 20:35.57 | simonrvn | Li\Sou: netatalk is the suer space appletalk linux implementation |
| 20:36.01 | simonrvn | user even |
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| 20:36.15 | Li\Sou | simonrvn: <-- newbie. the printer is hosted on a g4 mac osx in my network(192.168.1.11 |
| 20:36.19 | mwilson | Don't complicate things by suggesting he use netatalk. Not yet, anyway. |
| 20:36.27 | simonrvn | then you don't need it |
| 20:36.32 | ribnitz | Li\Sou: use LPR to print to it. |
| 20:36.34 | simonrvn | mwilson: :) |
| 20:36.36 | mwilson | Li\Sou: Ok, does that OS X machine run 10.2 or 10.3? |
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| 20:36.52 | Li\Sou | 10.3.6 mwilson |
| 20:37.37 | Li\Sou | and as i said, cups finds it automatically, but when i try to print something it stops. it says in the joblist: printing |
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| 20:37.43 | mwilson | Li\Sou: So tell it to share its printers, then install CUPS on the clients you want to use it. It will broadcast, the CUPS machines will pick up the broadcast and add it to their available printers. |
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| 20:38.18 | flycast | Is anyone here wireless? Im having problems powering up my pcmcia card |
| 20:38.18 | Li\Sou | its sharing allready. as i said, it works on my win machines.. just not on debian |
| 20:38.37 | Li\Sou | mwilson:^ |
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| 20:39.11 | Li\Sou | but what should i use to print? the lpd or? |
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| 20:39.45 | Li\Sou | now it says: @Troan-mac.local which is right but no print.. |
| 20:39.55 | valdyn | Li\Sou: how are you trying to print? |
| 20:40.06 | Li\Sou | i tried to print a test page |
| 20:40.24 | nicolade | Hi, I can't use (within xterm) some keys of my keyboard (german, ms natural keyboard pro). For example "|" or "~". Somebody any idea what I could do to solve that? |
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| 20:40.26 | valdyn | Li\Sou: from cups? ok |
| 20:40.29 | daft- | as kde user behind a older pc what window manager do you recommand than |
| 20:40.31 | Li\Sou | yeah valdyn |
| 20:40.52 | spdf | daft-, fluxbox is nice..lean.. |
| 20:40.52 | myren | how do i convert a numbre to hex in bash? |
| 20:40.55 | streuner_ | nicolade: /msg dpkg keymap |
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| 20:41.18 | Li\Sou | so, i dont know why it doesnt work.. its sharing from my mac and the firewall is open for it.. |
| 20:41.24 | streuner_ | nicolade: make sure you use the right layout for your keyboard (pc104, pc105...etc) |
| 20:41.26 | Li\Sou | and it finds it too.. but no print |
| 20:41.49 | daft- | spdf; i dont like the way fluxbox uses the menu for this display to small |
| 20:41.54 | wntd | I no longer believe in the magic of APT :( |
| 20:42.01 | daft- | the display i mean |
| 20:42.15 | spdf | daft-, Text size? |
| 20:42.19 | Phated | daft-: Openbox, acutally, is leaner than flux, and you can always change the bloody fonts. |
| 20:42.26 | BlackJudas | I know it's not deb related, but does anyone know if I connect two drives (IDE master/slave) and one is udma133 and the other is udma33 ... will the connection be maxed out at the lowest common factor? udma33? or will both drives run at independent speeds? |
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| 20:42.58 | nicolade | streuner_: I'm using pc105 which should be right (I used it on my last installation too - worked perfectly) |
| 20:43.02 | streuner_ | BlackJudas: it changes to the lowest... |
| 20:43.16 | daft- | I will try it, but this display im behind is verry old his twin brow made smoke 4 years ago >.< |
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| 20:43.16 | evilmegaman | I forget, How do I change resolution? oh and my scroll wheel isn't working |
| 20:43.29 | mwilson | BlackJudas: If the controller is old enough, it'll use only the lower speed, because you couldn't set them independently. Newer controllers can deal with that. |
| 20:43.35 | flycast | control alt PLUS |
| 20:43.39 | evilmegaman | ok |
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| 20:43.50 | mwilson | BlackJudas: If they're on the same cable, of course, they're both running at the slower speed even if the kernel says otherwise. |
| 20:44.10 | mwilson | Although with that great a disparity, I'd expect one or the other to fail. |
| 20:44.24 | BlackJudas | streuner_, shit... |
| 20:44.32 | evilmegaman | that didn't help. it just screwed up the screen. I set it back to normal. Is there another way? Like a way to select the resolution I want |
| 20:44.35 | BlackJudas | mwilson, meh... that's intelligent isn't it? |
| 20:44.36 | BlackJudas | heh |
| 20:44.40 | BlackJudas | Ok.. |
| 20:44.46 | pipeline | Phated: At least you're not another fluxbox idiot. |
| 20:45.03 | Phated | pipeline: I see nothing wrong with Fluxbox. I just like Openbox better. |
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| 20:45.26 | streuner_ | BlackJudas: there is an easy solution for the 33' .. ;-) |
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| 20:45.57 | flycast | hehe |
| 20:46.02 | evilmegaman | how do I get my scroll wheel on my mouse working? |
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| 20:46.20 | flycast | evilmegaman: its Z-Axis something in xconfig file |
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| 20:46.33 | valdyn | evilmegaman: dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xfree86 |
| 20:46.34 | BlackJudas | streuner_, toss? different channel? :) |
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| 20:46.59 | evilmegaman | Ok :) |
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| 20:47.11 | wntd | okay, let's try this the other way: I want to install PHP in such a way that the MySQL client API IS THE SAME VERSION and will ACTUALLY FUCKING WORK WITH MySQL 4.1 :( How would I do that? |
| 20:47.13 | evilmegaman | thanks valdyn and flycast |
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| 20:47.32 | Phated | evilmegaman: Of course, you want to select your desires res -first- so that it becomes the default. |
| 20:47.38 | ribnitz | I ripped a dvd to disk. how do I now write a dvd (with titles and all) from that data? (dvdrip wants to transcode it to svcd...) |
| 20:47.49 | nicolade | streuner_: thank you! |
| 20:47.50 | evilmegaman | Oh ok :) |
| 20:47.57 | sussudio | !seen fluffy_bunnies |
| 20:47.58 | dpkg | i haven't seen 'fluffy_bunnies', sussudio |
| 20:48.05 | caphuso | wntd: then you need a php4-mysql package that is compiled against mysql4.1 |
| 20:48.19 | wntd | caphuso: how do I get that? |
| 20:48.25 | caphuso | wntd: no idea |
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| 20:48.48 | wntd | I know that php4-mysql is currently compiled for MySQL 3.23.56 or whatever they were using in the seventies :/ |
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| 20:49.26 | SiliconViper | So, where should I be looking to learn how to set up a wireless card on my Debian box? |
| 20:49.47 | flycast | SiliconViper: you will probably need ndiswrapper |
| 20:50.00 | nicolade | I guess dpkg knows a lot of useful information - Is there somewhere an index available about what topic he knows something and what I've to type to get it from him? |
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| 20:50.04 | mwilson | ribnitz: Why? You already have the original DVD. |
| 20:50.23 | Phated | nicolade: He references 28000 factoids. No, there isn't. :) |
| 20:50.34 | nicolade | Phated: thanks! |
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| 20:50.37 | evilmegaman | How much kB is in an mB? |
| 20:50.38 | flycast | ndiswrapper and wireless tools, ive just set my motorola wireless up, drivers and all, but i cant figure out how to power it up |
| 20:50.44 | McQuaid | hmm, ok i usually synaptic and want to completely remove xfce4, but selecting xfce4 for memoval is not flagging all the other xfce stuff for removal |
| 20:50.48 | flycast | evilmegaman: 1024 |
| 20:50.56 | ribnitz | mwilson: what I want is an (exact) copy of that dvd.. |
| 20:51.05 | valdyn | ribnitz: you ripped it into .vob files? |
| 20:51.07 | Phated | McQuaid: apt-get remove xfce4* |
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| 20:51.30 | ribnitz | valdyn: i used dvd::rip, so I have a set of vob files |
| 20:51.43 | McQuaid | ya i guess i thought remove the meta pkg, which installed them all would remove em all as well |
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| 20:51.58 | valdyn | ribnitz: so make an iso out of these ( mkisofs -dvd-compat or somesuch ) |
| 20:51.59 | mwilson | ribnitz: You can't make one, so why bother? |
| 20:52.11 | keir | anyone else having problems with hal-device-manager after an update today? nothing on bugs.debian.org... basically, when i try to run hald, i get: "15:46:14.196 [E] hald_dbus.c:1945: dbus_bus_acquire_service(): Connection ":1.5" is not allowed to own the service "org.freedesktop.Hal" due to security policies in the configuration file" |
| 20:52.44 | ribnitz | mwilson: then I split it to two disks? |
| 20:53.06 | mwilson | ribnitz: Now you're re-coding it, so it's still not a backup. |
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| 20:53.14 | FalscherHase | evilmegaman: 1000? http://physics.nist.gov/cuu/Units/binary.html |
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| 20:53.35 | evilmegaman | thanks :) |
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| 20:53.43 | ribnitz | mwilson: If I put chapters 1-10 of the 20 onto one disk, and 11-20 onto another? |
| 20:53.56 | Phated | An mB isn't 1000 kB, sheesh. |
| 20:54.20 | valdyn | ribnitz: recoding dvd is possible but that isnt a one liner, google might help |
| 20:54.50 | mwilson | ribnitz: Why do you need a copy of this disc, anyway? |
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| 20:56.25 | adjacent | evilmegaman: use google for that. just type "1 MB to KB" |
| 20:56.35 | adjacent | the google calculator is your friend |
| 20:56.40 | pipeline | ribnitz: So you copied the VOB files, but not any of the metadata? |
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| 20:57.59 | KD6PAG | Q: How does one reconstruct a dirty degraded RAID5 array? 'mdadm -Af /dev/md1 /dev/sda8 /dev/sdb8 /dev/sdc8' says it can't do that. |
| 20:58.18 | evilmegaman | what type of mouse should I choose for a logitech mouse with a scroll wheel? PS/2, ImPS/2, GlidePointPS/2, NetmousePS/2, NetscrollPS/2, ThinkingMousePS/2, MousemanPlusPS/2, or ExplorerPS/2? |
| 20:58.35 | ribnitz | pipeline: I have all of the metadata too.. |
| 20:58.56 | KD6PAG | megaman: Try ImPS/2 |
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| 20:59.06 | wntd | I need to compile a version of php4-mysql for MySQL 4.1.x instead of 3.23.x (libmysqlclient14 instead of libmysqlclient10). How would I do this? |
| 20:59.07 | evilmegaman | Ok thanks KD6PAG :) |
| 20:59.25 | ribnitz | Is it that hard to do an 1:1 copy of a DVD? |
| 20:59.40 | pipeline | KD6PAG: mdadm -A assembles an already created array. |
| 20:59.51 | evilmegaman | Should I emulate 3 button mouse? |
| 20:59.57 | daft- | I have 2 old pc's (server and a desktop) I want to share the desktop load between the 2 boxes I tought of mount the root of the destop to the server with nfs and then put in the start menu some programs that run on the server is that a good idea |
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| 21:00.01 | evilmegaman | I never understood that |
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| 21:00.25 | nvz | evilmegaman: for mice with only two buttons, pressing them both will emulate the middle button |
| 21:00.28 | mwilson | ribnitz: Usually. |
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| 21:00.40 | evilmegaman | Oh ok :) I guess no need then |
| 21:00.41 | KD6PAG | pipeline: Yes, i have a 3 partition RAID3 array where the third partition got clobbered and it crashed during reconstruction. |
| 21:00.41 | tarzeau | helix: bom dia! |
| 21:00.43 | nvz | evilmegaman: if you have a three button mouse its kind of redundant to use emulation |
| 21:00.48 | mwilson | ribnitz: You in no way need to "rip" a disc if all you want to do is copy it. |
| 21:00.49 | ribnitz | mwilson: and there are no linux tools available? |
| 21:00.50 | evilmegaman | hehe yup |
| 21:00.54 | pipeline | KD6PAG: I don't think I've ever manually called mdadm to assemble an array with missing devices, but if you add "missing" to the end of the line you pasted, you should be golden. |
| 21:01.06 | ribnitz | mwilson: How woulds I copy it? |
| 21:01.07 | pipeline | KD6PAG: RAID3? Unusual. |
| 21:01.15 | mwilson | ribnitz: <shrug> It's just a filesystem. |
| 21:01.15 | KD6PAG | s/3/5/ |
| 21:01.23 | nvz | evilmegaman: its just a feature of the X server to allow you to use all 3 commands even if your mouse doesnt support it |
| 21:01.37 | ribnitz | mwilson: I cant mount it, can I? |
| 21:01.43 | mwilson | ribnitz: Of course you can. |
| 21:01.45 | KD6PAG | pipeline: Missing instead of clobbered partition or in addition to it? |
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| 21:02.02 | asuffield | the hard part isn't copying DVDs, it's burning a DVD that a regular player will accept |
| 21:02.09 | pipeline | KD6PAG: instead of. |
| 21:02.12 | asuffield | fiddly buggers |
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| 21:02.16 | mwilson | ribnitz: But if it's more than 4 gb, you're not going to be able to copy it directly anyway. |
| 21:02.17 | joefso | caphuso: yeah i just did a upgrade, grep-availble autho@debian.org right? |
| 21:02.23 | joefso | caphuso: it only shows one package |
| 21:02.26 | mwilson | ribnitz: Unless you have a DL burner and media. |
| 21:02.28 | ribnitz | mwilson: which most are. |
| 21:02.31 | pipeline | KD6PAG: And if it gives you any more shit, give it "R" instead of "f" -- "f" only forces it to accept the geometry, it doesn't force it to DO anything with it. |
| 21:02.37 | mwilson | ribnitz: Which lots aren't. |
| 21:02.43 | ribnitz | mwilson: DL media is hard to get. |
| 21:02.58 | asuffield | it's not *hard* to get, it's just absurdly expensive |
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| 21:03.19 | ribnitz | mwilson: the one here is 6.8 |
| 21:03.30 | mwilson | Someone remind me... when did the original Matrix movie come out? |
| 21:03.39 | joefso | caphuso: let's take lintux@debian.org for example, grep-availble shows ext2resize while he also maintains bitlbee |
| 21:03.41 | KD6PAG | pipeline: "cannot open device missing: No such file or directory" Running Debian/testing |
| 21:03.51 | mwilson | That was the first DVD I ever bought. |
| 21:04.04 | Phated | 1999? |
| 21:04.05 | nostalg1c | mwilson, 98 or 99 |
| 21:04.09 | ribnitz | Got that from china. |
| 21:04.21 | Phated | Well it came out 99 but DVD probably came out 2000. |
| 21:04.28 | mwilson | And in whatever time span from then to now, I've destroyed a grand total of ONE DVD (through loaning it out, which I don't do any more). |
| 21:04.30 | caphuso | joefso: run "dselect update", try grep-available again and tell me the difference |
| 21:04.43 | pipeline | KD6PAG: Odd, it usually allows that. Try just specifying the two non-clobbered devices, with -R. |
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| 21:04.49 | mwilson | So backups of DVD's just aren't relevant. |
| 21:04.55 | pipeline | KD6PAG: Err, this may not be entirely safe |
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| 21:05.02 | ribnitz | mwilson: dvds to buy are also absurdly expensive. |
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| 21:05.08 | pipeline | mwilson: 1999 in theatres. |
| 21:05.21 | mwilson | ribnitz: <shrug> $14.99 isn't bad. |
| 21:05.25 | Phated | Why bother then. Jsut rent them. |
| 21:05.30 | KD6PAG | pipeline: It certainly isn't; but better than restoring /usr from ancient backup. |
| 21:05.33 | nvz | its easier to just unload nickcolor on a visable color, then to have to physically change it :p |
| 21:05.46 | joefso | caphuso: worked, thanks |
| 21:05.53 | Phated | I mean, unless it's -really- good and you know you're going to watch it more than once. |
| 21:06.05 | pipeline | I don't ever watch anything twice, so I rent exclusively. |
| 21:06.06 | ribnitz | mwilson: 2 dvd-r media are what USD 3, USD4? |
| 21:06.41 | mwilson | ribnitz: Last time I bought any DVD blanks (a while ago, I don't burn all that many) I paid around 50c each. |
| 21:06.49 | mwilson | Those were 8x discs. |
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| 21:07.40 | mwilson | Phated: I like owning my favorite films. I don't buy a *lot* of DVD's... just a few. |
| 21:07.59 | mwilson | Prolly only have 40-50 now. |
| 21:08.11 | mwilson | And a lot of those, I bought used. |
| 21:08.13 | Phated | mwilson: Indeed. I don't either. I own... What, one set of DVDs, and it's all, essentially, the same. :) |
| 21:08.15 | xav_ | are there some tools for copying dvd video ? |
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| 21:08.47 | mwilson | Rental is too much of a pain. |
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| 21:09.20 | mwilson | I might do netflix at some point... a couple of my friends are into that. |
| 21:09.28 | ribnitz | so what do I have to do to get them vobs onto a dvd, if possible in dvd-like format? |
| 21:09.34 | Phated | *shrugs* To each his own. I'd rather pay 5 dollars for a movie to watch once and then buy if it's all that good. |
| 21:09.54 | mwilson | Phated: Oh, I don't buy films I've not seen. |
| 21:10.05 | Phated | mwilson: Ahhh. |
| 21:10.13 | mwilson | What would be the point of that? |
| 21:10.17 | Phated | True. |
| 21:10.17 | xav_ | I only have dvd at less than 5 euro |
| 21:10.33 | Phated | I'll buy a DVD if I've seen it at the movies or rented it once. |
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| 21:10.53 | xav_ | even if you haven't seen it, it isnt too expensive |
| 21:11.09 | mwilson | It takes a lot to get me to go to a theater in the first place... if I go, and I like it, it's pretty much guaranteed that I'll buy it when it comes out. |
| 21:11.13 | xav_ | you can buy plenty of dvd at this price |
| 21:11.34 | bwbettin | How does one bind a key to F10? I'm messing around in my .screenrc to do it, but can't figure out the key sequence (already checked www.dotfiles.com). "bindkey -k k1" - "bindkey -k k9" takes care of F1-F9. "bindkey -k F1" and "bindkey -k F2" takes care of F11 and F12. But what is it for F10? I tried F0 and k10, neither worked. |
| 21:11.45 | Phated | I usually end up renting stuff that I forget to watch at the cinema. |
| 21:11.50 | asuffield | I can't remember the last time there was a film I wanted to watch, let alone buy the dvd for |
| 21:11.59 | mwilson | asuffield: Oh, there's a few. |
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| 21:12.11 | mwilson | Sometimes what you see in the theater is terribly disappointing. |
| 21:12.44 | mwilson | I bought _The Core_ used because the pseudo-science in it is SO laughable... you'd expect it to be on MST2k. |
| 21:12.52 | mwilson | Not because I thought it was a great film. |
| 21:13.02 | scarynetworkguy | MST3K |
| 21:13.05 | xl0 | Hello, looks like I found a bug in bzip2, but I get it only on my amd-k6-ii machne. Anyone have a k6 with up-to-date sid installed to test it? |
| 21:13.07 | mwilson | Yes, of course. |
| 21:13.17 | tobo | is there a package that gives me midi support in xmms? |
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| 21:13.38 | McQuaid | Phated: i added the os-cillation but i don't seem to seeing all the 4.2 pkgs. for ex. the only meta pkg i have is for 4.06 from the sid source |
| 21:13.40 | mwilson | Most stage comedians, I just find insulting. |
| 21:14.03 | Phated | mwilson: apt-get update? |
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| 21:14.03 | Phated | Er, McQuaid ? |
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| 21:14.18 | mwilson | Now he's /msg-ing people. |
| 21:14.41 | asuffield | tobo: xmms isn't really cut out for midi. timidity is the normal software synth |
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| 21:15.03 | McQuaid | what i'm saying is i expected another xfce pkg to install 4.2 |
| 21:15.20 | McQuaid | for ex if i did apt-get install xfce it would install 4.06 |
| 21:15.24 | Phated | Yes, but did you apt-get update after adding the new sources? |
| 21:15.26 | mwilson | xl0: If you think you need to be using unstable, then you should know what to do when you think you've discovered a bug. |
| 21:15.31 | FieldySnuts | @lart McQuaid |
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| 21:15.40 | tobo | asuffield: k, tnx |
| 21:15.43 | mwilson | xl0: And that's all I really have to say. |
| 21:15.45 | dobby_ | What alternative do i have in debian linux to a windows programm called omnipage witch can convert jpeg into text? |
| 21:15.56 | Phated | asciiview? |
| 21:15.57 | ribnitz | dobby_: gocr |
| 21:16.00 | bucky | McQuaid, 4.2 came out today... the package manager is prolly working on it |
| 21:16.09 | dobby_ | ribnitz is it as good as omnipage? |
| 21:16.21 | ribnitz | dobby_: no idea |
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| 21:16.22 | Phated | bucky: He used unofficial sources. |
| 21:16.23 | mwilson | I mean, come on... The Core starts off with landing the Shuttle in the LA River... like the pilot wouldn't just put the damn thing into the ocean. |
| 21:16.34 | mwilson | And it only gets worse from there. |
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| 21:16.47 | McQuaid | bucky: ya i thought about that, someoen posted that they were avail from this source already, or at least the last rc should be |
| 21:16.51 | Herodes | can anybody tellme if this firewall-iptables should works in this net ---cablemodem--pc1(eth1, 192.168.0.3)-------eth0------pc2(192.168.0.2) ----http://pastebin.com/229669 |
| 21:16.53 | Phated | Great, he's off again. Why didn't we cut him off at the pass? |
| 21:16.54 | bucky | xfce has it's own installer now |
| 21:16.54 | mwilson | Oh, hello, we're off course... let's aim straight for downtown. Not. |
| 21:17.11 | xl0 | mwilson should I send a bugreport? but I'm not really sure the problem is with bzip2, it may be my hardware. |
| 21:17.14 | dobby_ | have someone of you guys has experience with gocr? and can tell me more about? |
| 21:17.27 | ribnitz | mwilson: worst ever film is "Showgirls": |
| 21:17.45 | Phated | Or "Glitter". |
| 21:17.51 | scarynetworkguy | *shuder* |
| 21:17.53 | SleepyPete | or Appleseed |
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| 21:18.36 | ribnitz | Phated: dont know glitter, showgirls is basically 2 hrs of scantily dressed women stumbling around a stage. What's glitter about? |
| 21:18.42 | grivell | ribnitz: I liked the soft porn nature of it ;) |
| 21:18.45 | DarkAnt | GRUB Loading Stage 1.5 |
| 21:18.45 | DarkAnt | <PROTECTED> |
| 21:18.45 | DarkAnt | <PROTECTED> |
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| 21:18.59 | Phated | ribnitz: Mariah Carey. I rets my case. |
| 21:19.00 | FieldySnuts | :) Phated |
| 21:19.05 | Phated | FieldySnuts :) |
| 21:19.28 | ribnitz | grivell: yes, but even then i expect at least some action that makes "a little sense". |
| 21:19.43 | Phated | He means nakedness. |
| 21:19.59 | Phated | "If you're going to dance around, take off the clothes!" |
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| 21:20.38 | ribnitz | Phated: and thats a good plot for 120 mins of film? |
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| 21:20.52 | Phated | ribnitz: Apparently. |
| 21:20.54 | grivell | ribnitz: I feel history will show that movies greatness. lol |
| 21:20.57 | Phated | It got made, didn't it. |
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| 21:21.18 | ribnitz | Phated: it got financed, and someone apparetly likes it. |
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| 21:21.31 | Phated | Exactly. |
| 21:21.33 | rcsu | hi * |
| 21:21.47 | orca | Hi guys, I am having a slight problem with NIS (yp). I have a correctly configured /etc/yp.conf file and have portmap running, but starting ypbind just gives me "YPBINDPROC_DOMAIN: Domain not bound" |
| 21:21.47 | grivell | ribnitz: 'Saved by the Bell' girl shows it all. Whats not to like. |
| 21:21.49 | Bogaurd | stew, Phated, Shadur & anyone else who was helping me: i fixed the hd's :) |
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| 21:21.56 | rcsu | how can i prevent fam from monitoring a dir ? |
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| 21:22.13 | Phated | Bogaurd: I was helping, huh. Well, cool. :) |
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| 21:22.28 | Di42lo | How to i connect to host with X server ? i remember something with SSH |
| 21:22.34 | Di42lo | to=do* |
| 21:22.36 | ribnitz | Bogaurd: first thing to do now is a backup. ask about dirvish |
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| 21:23.07 | ribnitz | Phated: Sometimes it is alarming how little it takes to entertain men for 2 hrs. |
| 21:23.20 | Phated | ribnitz: Oh, true. |
| 21:23.28 | scarynetworkguy | Heh. |
| 21:23.31 | Bogaurd | ribnitz: nah it wasnt an issue with me being able to access my data. the hardrives just seemed to be stuck at 4mb/s |
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| 21:23.32 | scarynetworkguy | True very true. |
| 21:23.38 | Xemacs_ | Di42lo, man ssh | export DISPLAY= ............................... |
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| 21:23.38 | Phated | Well, I have nothing against an action flick with lots of things blowing up. |
| 21:23.39 | bucky | take irc for example |
| 21:23.41 | xl0 | Di42lo, enable X forwarding on the ssh server and connect with ssh -X |
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| 21:24.08 | Phated | Like... Torque. Now there was a plotless film if ever there was one, but... catfight plus cool bikes. |
| 21:24.10 | Di42lo | xl0 how do i enable it ? |
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| 21:24.14 | scarynetworkguy | Explosions cna be all kinds of fun. |
| 21:24.14 | asuffield | http://imdb.com/chart/bottom |
| 21:24.18 | asuffield | /Glitter/ came in at #18 |
| 21:24.24 | Phated | HUZZAH |
| 21:24.28 | scarynetworkguy | Nice. |
| 21:24.29 | _eugenesan_ | hi all, how do i disable automatic kernel-module loading? |
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| 21:24.45 | scarynetworkguy | Manos Hands of Doom! |
| 21:24.49 | ribnitz | asuffield: wheres showgirls? |
| 21:24.55 | nine99 | hid3, serched on google, but i can find answare. I ahev Sid and i have problems to save documents with openoffice, The error said "Error Saving the file... Write error. The file could not be written." Am i the only wit this problem ? |
| 21:25.00 | scarynetworkguy | "Keep those hands of doom at 9 and 6 mister" |
| 21:25.01 | xl0 | Di42lo in /etc/ssh/sshd_config X11Forwarding yes |
| 21:25.09 | nine99 | sorry hid3, it wat tab completion |
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| 21:25.47 | Di42lo | xl0 its allready on ... |
| 21:26.04 | Di42lo | xl0 and when i connect it doesnt work..do i have to do something special ? |
| 21:26.06 | asuffield | ribnitz: I don't see it on the list |
| 21:26.10 | Phated | Heh. |
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| 21:26.22 | Phated | It's official, Glitter sucks more than Showgirls. |
| 21:26.30 | Shadur | Phated: Well, duh. |
| 21:26.41 | Phated | Well... yeah. |
| 21:26.49 | Shadur | At least Showgirls had nude chicks stripping. |
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| 21:27.01 | xl0 | Di42lo is it on in the SERVER sshd_config? doy you run ssh with -X ? it should just wirk |
| 21:27.08 | scarynetworkguy | Techinically speaking nude chicks can't strip. |
| 21:27.15 | FieldySnuts | er |
| 21:27.18 | scarynetworkguy | Already being nude. |
| 21:27.21 | sussudio | scarynetworkguy: tell that to Jeffrey Dahmer |
| 21:27.23 | xl0 | *work |
| 21:27.29 | scarynetworkguy | sussudio: He liked boys. |
| 21:27.33 | Phated | Heh. |
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| 21:28.09 | loke__ | when i run a email server i only need pop3 running on the wan correct? or do i need smtp on the wan also? |
| 21:28.09 | mvhurja | hi |
| 21:28.24 | mvhurja | how i can msg to another user from ssh in debian ? |
| 21:28.25 | daxxar | How can I set up exim to reply to all incoming emails with like "This email is not being used any more." or similar? |
| 21:28.41 | ribnitz | loke__: you need smtp, plus (imap or pop3) |
| 21:28.46 | FieldySnuts | depends what you mean by "email server", there's two things going on here, sending of mail (an mta) which is smtp, and retrieval of mail, pop2 or pop3 or imap |
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| 21:28.55 | sussudio | Glitter (2001) User Rating: **________ 2.0/10 (5,543 votes) Vote Here bottom 100: #18 |
| 21:29.00 | FieldySnuts | each of them handled by different servers |
| 21:29.00 | scarynetworkguy | mvhurja: Two users on the same machine talking to each other? |
| 21:29.03 | loke__ | ribnitz do i need smtp to be listening on the wan or just the lan? |
| 21:29.18 | Di42lo | xl0 does another option should be on ? |
| 21:29.22 | mvhurja | scarynetworkguy: 2 user in same machine :) |
| 21:29.24 | Shadur | scarynetworkguy: Stripping chicks that got nude, then. |
| 21:29.26 | sussudio | Showgirls (1995) User Rating: ****______ 3.8/10 (10,818 votes) Vote Here |
| 21:29.34 | FieldySnuts | what is this, #cheesymovies ? |
| 21:29.38 | ribnitz | loke__: if you want to receive external mail, smtp neds to run on an externally accessible address |
| 21:29.45 | Phated | s/cheesy/BAD/ |
| 21:29.49 | FieldySnuts | :( |
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| 21:30.04 | asuffield | Phated: why the hell did you watch that thing anyway? it seems blatantly obvious that it could not possibly be worthwhile |
| 21:30.04 | scarynetworkguy | mvhurja: Incredibly stupid and insecure and you are a a fucking fool if you run it but talkd will let you do that. Did I mention that it is a stupid idea. |
| 21:30.05 | loke__ | ribnitz but i thought pop3 receives external mail? |
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| 21:30.10 | p30n | whats the cmd for making a folder in bash? |
| 21:30.11 | sussudio | !what does FieldySnuts pay you for |
| 21:30.12 | dpkg | often FieldySnuts insists on unspeakably disgusting actions, sussudio, but I'm open to suggestions! |
| 21:30.12 | Phated | I can't be bothered, FieldySnuts. |
| 21:30.22 | Phated | p30n: mkdir. ANd it's directory. |
| 21:30.23 | loke__ | p30n man mkdir |
| 21:30.25 | ribnitz | loke__: nope. pop3 fetches your mail from a server. |
| 21:30.30 | p30n | kthx |
| 21:30.39 | mvhurja | scarynetworkguy ? |
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| 21:30.47 | p30n | wasnt it in dos 5 or something md instead of mkdir right? |
| 21:30.51 | Phated | asuffield: I didn't. :) |
| 21:30.51 | loke__ | ribnitz so do i need pop3 runing on an external ip? |
| 21:30.52 | scarynetworkguy | mvhurja? |
| 21:31.00 | maurizio | daxxar: tried package "vacation"? |
| 21:31.02 | FieldySnuts | loke__: smtp is for your users sending and other mail coming TO your server. pop3 or imap is for your users actually getting that mail. |
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| 21:31.10 | Phated | asuffield: I was told it sucked beyond all words, watched the trailer, and confirmed that opinion. |
| 21:31.16 | mvhurja | scarynetworkguy how to talk with another user in ssh |
| 21:31.20 | asuffield | daxxar: just bounce the things |
| 21:31.24 | scarynetworkguy | mvhurja: I told you. |
| 21:31.28 | loke__ | FieldySnuts thanks |
| 21:31.33 | mvhurja | really i didnt se |
| 21:31.36 | ribnitz | loke__: in that case yes. but mails are not going to be sent using pop3 |
| 21:31.50 | ribnitz | (which is outdated anyway) |
| 21:31.51 | loke__ | ribnitz ok thank you |
| 21:32.00 | scarynetworkguy | mvhurja: Incredibly stupid and insecure and you are a a fucking fool if you run it but *talkd* will let you do that. Did I mention that it is a stupid fucking idea? |
| 21:32.22 | mvhurja | ooo juu faking |
| 21:32.31 | scarynetworkguy | wtf? |
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| 21:32.54 | mvhurja | stfu.. u dont know anythink else only fucking fucking fucking.. STFU |
| 21:33.13 | ribnitz | mvhurja: fucking can be fun, you know. |
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| 21:33.19 | sigma957 | anyone know how to get thunderbird to get the mail fetchmail has retrieved and not use it's own get mail function? or should I just change to mutt? |
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| 21:33.28 | scarynetworkguy | mvhurja: Did you read that? Did you notice the part I made bold? That is your answer. What more do you want? |
| 21:33.36 | Czesiu | hello |
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| 21:34.05 | mvhurja | i ask how ? what command i may use in ssh |
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| 21:34.46 | ribnitz | Phated: and again, you stay up longer than me. |
| 21:34.51 | scarynetworkguy | mvhurja: You need to set up talkd and then use it. man talkd man talk will give you all the details. It is *not* installed by defualt because it is such a stupid thing to do. |
| 21:34.54 | Phated | ribnitz: Well... yeah. |
| 21:35.05 | mvhurja | 2 user are logged in in debian machine.. how they can talk there.. ? |
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| 21:35.27 | ribnitz | mvhurja: use talk |
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| 21:35.34 | Yog | hi ! how can i add a path to the $PATH environment globally ? |
| 21:35.49 | FieldySnuts | probably add it in /etc/profile |
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| 21:35.50 | mvhurja | not work :D |
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| 21:36.17 | scarynetworkguy | mvhurja: That is because no sane admin would install it. |
| 21:36.25 | ribnitz | Phated: must be almost day there now. |
| 21:36.35 | Phated | ribnitz: 0536 hrs. |
| 21:36.49 | ribnitz | Phated: 22.36 here |
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| 21:37.17 | Phated | Nice. |
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| 21:38.17 | mvhurja | scarynetworkguy aaaaaaaaaa ju fakin |
| 21:38.21 | daxxar | asuffield, yeah, i could |
| 21:38.25 | adjacent | i installed ebtables via apt-get, i cannot use it without the ebtables kernel module. can i apt-get this module? or do i need to compile it myself |
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| 21:40.05 | Xemacs_ | adjacent, apt-get.org may have a source for it |
| 21:40.37 | adjacent | Xemacs_: thanks |
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| 21:41.58 | sussudio | !fix atomicdog |
| 21:42.11 | Yog | adding a path to /etc/profile didn't work (rebooted). is there any other way ? |
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| 21:42.54 | azreal | Yog: why would you need /etc in $PATH? |
| 21:42.56 | McQuaid | alright, if i add a source to my preferences for pinning, and specify a specific meta pkg, would all pkgs that that metapkg specifies be given priority? |
| 21:42.57 | Fyron | What program do I run to redetect the configuration of the network that the computer is connected to? |
| 21:43.04 | McQuaid | or do i have to indicate each one? |
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| 21:43.37 | adjacent | azreal: i think hes adding PATH=$PATH:/stuff into /etc/profile =) |
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| 21:43.48 | clojster | can someone help me with Shorewall? |
| 21:43.52 | azreal | Yog: $PATH is a list of directorys the shell looks for executables, or binarys |
| 21:44.01 | azreal | oh |
| 21:44.18 | sepski | Fyron, if i guess right about what your intention is then /etc/init.d/networking restart |
| 21:44.26 | sepski | clojster, just ask |
| 21:44.36 | clojster | I'd like to know how do I make shorewall to allow all ports to some specified application only? |
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| 21:45.36 | ramb0 | hey, would i be able to install debian on a 1 gig pen drive? |
| 21:45.37 | Yog | azreal: I want to add /opt/X11/bin before /usr/bin/X11 |
| 21:46.00 | sepski | clojster, a program that uses different ports you mean ? you can forward a range of ports the aplication should limit itself to these ports also mentioning the aplication might help. |
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| 21:46.27 | ramb0 | how much space does debian take up? |
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| 21:46.58 | adjacent | ramb0: dumb question. |
| 21:47.07 | bbhill | ramb0 like 500 megs or something |
| 21:47.15 | clojster | sepski: well, the app is Valknut or Quake 3 Arena.. or whatewer else. I want all ports open for this apps |
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| 21:47.25 | xl0 | ramb0 like 3 Gigs or something |
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| 21:47.35 | azreal | Yog: well, you shouldnt mess with /etc/profile, put that in you ~/.bash_profile like "export PATH=/opt/X11/bin:$PATH" |
| 21:47.51 | ramb0 | x10: what about minimum packages |
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| 21:47.58 | adjacent | ramb0: rephrase it as. how much space does debain use if i want to do this task? |
| 21:48.09 | sepski | clojster, if you have all ports open then they are open for all apps, if you want to limit per aplication you need a proxy not a firewall |
| 21:48.23 | sepski | clojster, just search google for the ports and allow them |
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| 21:48.57 | Fyron | sepski, That doesn't work. I get several DHCPREQUEST and DHCPDISCOVER lines, but at the end no DHCPOFFERS were received |
| 21:49.22 | clojster | sepski: no, I have all ports closed by the firewall and I want them open, but only for Valknut or Quake 3 |
| 21:49.34 | Yog | azreal: ok, thanks |
| 21:49.54 | clojster | sepski: but maybe you put me on the right track with that port forwarding... |
| 21:50.06 | clojster | but I don't know how to do that |
| 21:50.29 | sepski | Fyron, no dhcp server running ? |
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| 21:51.17 | sepski | clojster, if a port is open it's open for all the apps running on those ports, google for the quake ports and allow them only |
| 21:51.36 | engie | Hi. I've got a package in my apt-get install queue that I've decided I don't want to actually install. How do I remove it, so apt doesn't always try to install it? |
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| 21:51.57 | clojster | yes, I had managed quake already... I have problem with Valknut... |
| 21:52.01 | sepski | ramb0, a minimal testing is like 138 MB |
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| 21:52.14 | mwilson | There is no such thing as an "apt-get install queue". |
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| 21:53.02 | Fyron | There should be. This computer is on the same network, connected to the same router |
| 21:53.03 | mwilson | What is the ACTUAL problem you're seeing with this package? |
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| 21:53.23 | lawnchair | any reason why i would be getting an 'no such parameter in this module' when i type insmod dl2k irq=15 io=0xd800 |
| 21:53.38 | adjacent | engie: apt-get remove package |
| 21:53.45 | mwilson | lawnchair: other than it not supporting such a parameter? |
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| 21:53.53 | lawnchair | mwilson, :) |
| 21:54.06 | lawnchair | mwilson, its an etwork card module and i was under the impression i could specify irq and io |
| 21:54.07 | adjacent | whats the debian way to compile a kernel module? |
| 21:54.08 | mwilson | Wasn't trying to be funny... simple statement of fact. |
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| 21:54.23 | mwilson | lawnchair: If the module supports that, you can. |
| 21:54.29 | Fyron | I can see the address in use in the DHCP table in the router config |
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| 21:54.46 | lawnchair | mwilson, is there any other way to specify this shit....when i do modprobe dl2k it uses the wrong io |
| 21:54.50 | lawnchair | not sure why |
| 21:55.14 | mwilson | lawnchair: <shrug> Read the source for the module, see what parameters it supports. |
| 21:55.31 | lawnchair | werd |
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| 21:57.25 | nvz | Are the films "Meet The Parents" and "Meet The Fockers" in any way related? |
| 21:57.44 | neptoon | nvz: MtF is the sequel of MtP |
| 21:57.59 | lawnchair | nvz, watch your mouth |
| 21:58.07 | nvz | ah, this tv station keeps playing what seems to be a reel of "Meet The Fockers" then saying watch "Meet The Parents" on their station |
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| 21:58.15 | nvz | I thought they were confusing the two |
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| 21:58.56 | nvz | lawnchair: focker is a WWII german biplane afaik, don't be foolish. |
| 21:59.06 | lawnchair | nvz, you make me smile |
| 21:59.19 | nvz | yeah I have that effect on people |
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| 21:59.37 | lawnchair | nvz, i dont like your attitude |
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| 21:59.40 | lawnchair | nvz, lets kiss and make up |
| 21:59.41 | warthawg | lawnchair: i bet the io address is passed using another term |
| 22:00.00 | vankos | can mc handle utf-8 ? |
| 22:00.01 | lawnchair | warthawg, hmmm any way to see a list of parameters for amoudle? |
| 22:00.16 | warthawg | lawnchair: i don't know of one, but maybe |
| 22:00.25 | lawnchair | ok |
| 22:00.47 | warthawg | the idea of looking at the source is a good one, if you have it handy |
| 22:00.58 | lawnchair | yah im gonna look at this mess |
| 22:01.09 | nvz | my toe is hurting.. you'd really smile if you knew why.. heh I was picking up and tossing into a bag, articles my cousin's wife left behind when she runnoft, and I seen these hooker boots... I said to myself I bet those are uncomfortable as all hell.. and so I tried em on, and yeah they are as I figured like wearing big rubber boots over your sneakers and wading through concrete. |
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| 22:03.45 | lawnchair | bah |
| 22:03.48 | nvz | it amazes me the shit women will do to look sexy |
| 22:03.49 | lawnchair | doesnt have a parameter ot specify this shit |
| 22:03.54 | lawnchair | whats wrong w/ this developer |
| 22:03.57 | lawnchair | makes me wanna rape him |
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| 22:05.01 | Blitx | I know that there are installers in progress, but how long until a nice GUI installer is completed for Debian? I tried using Knoppix as a visual installer, but it refuses to work on my machine. |
| 22:05.09 | nvz | kudos to them I guess... if thats what it takes to be sexy, I am glad I am not a woman. |
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| 22:05.23 | valdyn | Blitx: like never |
| 22:05.52 | mike_ | hey, im just testing my sound card, what modules do i have to probe? |
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| 22:06.29 | Zero_Dogg | Blitx: GUI installer for debian...I doubt it'll happen. There are ports of the redhat one that's used on some project I believe |
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| 22:07.16 | mike_ | Blitx: the debian installer is 1337 |
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| 22:07.37 | Blitx | figures |
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| 22:08.21 | Blitx | I'm just a windows weenie I guess |
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| 22:08.24 | wntd | All right, I simply give up on getting MySQL to work with PHP or Perl on this system ever. Looks like I'm moving back to RedHat. This is madness. |
| 22:08.33 | mike_ | i have to proble soundcore, my sound card, anything else? |
| 22:08.44 | dupondje | hi guys, i have a problem, 1 hdd is broken in my linux box, (who is a remote box) and a proc is stuck now 9292 ? D 0:00 /bin/bash, how can i kill that ? |
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| 22:09.02 | Soundzor | Anyone done the user face for icon on Gnome? I read that the image goes in the user's ~/.gnome/ directory, but can it just be named anything or what? |
| 22:09.03 | mike_ | Blitx: well, i personally think a command line is better than a gui |
| 22:09.10 | aakkonen | wntd, what is your problem again? |
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| 22:10.15 | paulswm | dupondje: state code D is uninterruptible sleep, you can't kill it |
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| 22:10.35 | FieldySnuts | @win paulswm |
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| 22:10.40 | ravenbird | Congratulations, paulswm! You have won the US presidency! |
| 22:10.44 | dupondje | shit, how to do it then ? |
| 22:10.44 | npx | hi |
| 22:10.55 | mike_ | npx: hello |
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| 22:11.08 | Blitx | mike_, I'm just a little uncomfortable trying to install a foreign OS on my computer where I've got a TB of other information I can't disrupt if I can't even see it heh |
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| 22:11.15 | paulswm | FieldySnuts: you are too kind |
| 22:11.19 | wntd | aakkonen: I've installed mysql 4.1, and php4-mysql and whatever the hell Perl module I've installed can't interface with it because they were made for 3.23.x |
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| 22:11.26 | dupondje | paulswm that proc is giving probs, how can i get rid of it then ? |
| 22:11.34 | paulswm | dupondje: reboot |
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| 22:11.43 | dupondje | doesn't reboot |
| 22:11.53 | dupondje | sshd gets killed |
| 22:11.54 | mike_ | Blitx: dw, i was like that too |
| 22:11.56 | dupondje | and procs etc |
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| 22:11.59 | paulswm | dupondje: what type filesystems are you using |
| 22:12.01 | dupondje | but it doesn't boot |
| 22:12.02 | dupondje | ext3 |
| 22:12.16 | mike_ | Blitx: u need help? |
| 22:12.22 | paulswm | dupondje: then cycle the power, ext3 should be OK with that |
| 22:12.34 | doublehp | paulswm: I am using both XFS and Reisor :) |
| 22:12.48 | Blitx | mike_ I haven't tried it yet since I heard it was a command line only |
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| 22:12.57 | dupondje | paulswm, it's a remote pc :( |
| 22:13.01 | dupondje | so that isn't possible :s |
| 22:13.08 | paulswm | doublehp: well just pray you don't have to hit the power button then :=P |
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| 22:13.09 | Blitx | mike_ I plan to try it soon though--but I was hoping there was at least a beta of that gui |
| 22:13.30 | paulswm | dupondje: that's you're only option, I believe |
| 22:13.35 | paulswm | *your |
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| 22:13.57 | npx | XFS is the only filesystem I've used that actually makes things feel faster |
| 22:14.11 | paulswm | dupondje: someone's going to have to hit the power for you |
| 22:14.14 | npx | logging in is faster than with ext3 |
| 22:14.15 | dupondje | no force reboot possible ? |
| 22:14.25 | mike_ | Blitx: its easy. |
| 22:14.27 | clojster | how can I run scripts upon restart of the system? |
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| 22:14.35 | valdyn | Blitx: its not _command line_ its text based, that doesnt make it hard to use at all |
| 22:14.39 | mike_ | Blitx: just follow the prompts |
| 22:14.50 | paulswm | npx: yes but recovering from filesystem fuckups takes longer because ext3 is still the only fs which doesn't fuck up |
| 22:15.19 | Polako | hola |
| 22:15.22 | Blitx | mike_ Just so long as it won't mess up my other data. I'd backup before I install, but I don't have enough space anywhere. |
| 22:15.22 | npx | paulswm that may be true - I back my really, truly important stuff up regularly though |
| 22:15.24 | mike_ | to test my soundcard i have to proble soundcore, my sound card, anything else? |
| 22:15.31 | doublehp | paulswm: did it twice yesterday ; but by the way, the /new/ Reisor ( less than 18 months) is quiet more stable than the old one; about XFS, I really hurted it very badly, and it was rarely damagde. |
| 22:15.33 | paulswm | dupondje: pray for a lightning strike near the PC :) |
| 22:15.38 | dupondje | lol |
| 22:15.39 | npx | My installation of unstable wouldn't take an hour to replace |
| 22:15.42 | mike_ | Blitx: burn it to cd? dvd? |
| 22:15.45 | dupondje | reboot -f wouldn't work ? |
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| 22:16.13 | Blitx | mike_ 230 DVDs to back it up doesn't sound very appealing |
| 22:16.23 | mike_ | Blitx: wow. alot of data |
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| 22:16.44 | npx | Blitx, yeah, jesus, are you mapping a genome or what? |
| 22:16.45 | FieldySnuts | backin up a ton of data to dvd's is a major pain, making an iso out of thousands of files takes a REALLY long time |
| 22:16.50 | FieldySnuts | and that's just one dvd |
| 22:16.50 | paulswm | dupondje: try it, you have nothing to lose |
| 22:16.51 | Blitx | mike_ Yeah, I'm kind of a space whore. |
| 22:16.51 | Karlosis | I have a question: I am looking to buy a WLAN card that will work with my Debian (amd64). Where do you recommend me to look? |
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| 22:16.56 | RainbowW | so if i attach an ipod via firewire, and lsmod shows ieee1394 is loaded, what device would it appear under so i could mount the hard drive? |
| 22:16.58 | mike_ | Blitx: do u wanna duel boot it or something? |
| 22:17.09 | mike_ | Blitx: do u wanna dual doot it ** |
| 22:17.23 | npx | mike_, do you want to dual boot it?* |
| 22:17.25 | npx | =P |
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| 22:17.32 | Blitx | mike_ That's the plan. I made a 30GB ext and 2GB swap partition on one of my 250s for Linux to hopefully reside on eventually. |
| 22:17.43 | mike_ | npx: thanks lol |
| 22:17.45 | streuner_ | Karlosis: usenet |
| 22:18.01 | Karlosis | streuner_: recommend any group? |
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| 22:18.19 | streuner_ | Karlosis: /msg dpkg amd64 as well |
| 22:18.28 | npx | Karlosis iirc the prism series of cards work extremely well, i'm not sure if they're still made though =( |
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| 22:18.38 | mike_ | Blitx: well, before modifying anything esp the mbr, i'd recommend u back up somewhere |
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| 22:19.12 | Karlosis | The main problem I have is that I know that e.g. the Prism3 chip would be good to have |
| 22:19.30 | Karlosis | But never can I find out what's really inside on offers I see |
| 22:19.45 | Karlosis | Neither Ebay, nor sites of vendors.... |
| 22:20.05 | npx | Karlosis if they don't disclose what you're purchasing, fuck em. |
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| 22:20.19 | wntd | :( I just want PHP and Perl modules that *actually work* with mysql-server-4.1. Will this happen in my lifetime? |
| 22:20.20 | Karlosis | npx: I don't find anybody who does |
| 22:20.22 | hid3 | when trying to do 'ifup sit0' I get SIOCSIFADDR: Cannot allocate memory error message.. Is it possible to solve this problem without rebooting machine? (when rebooting everything seems to be ok.. until ifdown sit0 && ifup sit0) |
| 22:20.26 | mike_ | sound cards... what modules do i have to probe? soundcore, my sound card, anything else? |
| 22:20.26 | npx | Karlosis Apple? |
| 22:20.39 | pipeline | Karlosis: Just buy an orinico off of ebay. They're relatively cheap, and you know that they'll work under any OS. |
| 22:20.45 | npx | Karlosis I'm going to go out on a limb and assume this is a laptop |
| 22:20.50 | pipeline | Karlosis: Even FreeBSD/NetBSD/Solaris support Orinoco Gold. |
| 22:20.54 | RainbowW | so if i attach an ipod via firewire, and lsmod shows ieee1394 is loaded, what device would it appear under so i could mount the hard drive? |
| 22:21.03 | Karlosis | No, a desktop it is. |
| 22:21.04 | Blitx | wntd Just set the password for your user account you want to use PHP and Perl with using PASSWORD_OLD() |
| 22:21.07 | npx | Ahhh |
| 22:21.14 | pipeline | RainbowW: I think it would turn up as a SCSI device. |
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| 22:21.29 | Karlosis | pipeline: That's great :-) |
| 22:21.42 | RainbowW | pipeline: where would one look for it tho? /dev/sda1 isn't around ... |
| 22:21.44 | pipeline | Karlosis: Then you're really up shit creek. I'd still get an orinoco, but then start digging around for one of those PCI<->Cardbus adapters. |
| 22:21.47 | RainbowW | pipeline: /proc/what? |
| 22:21.48 | npx | Karlosis that simplifies things greatly - http://www.linuxhomenetworking.com/linux-hn/wmp11-linux.htm |
| 22:21.52 | wntd | Blitx: and that will make 3.23.whatever client libraries work with 4.1? That's it? |
| 22:22.32 | pipeline | Karlosis: They made special stripdown PCI<->Cardbus adapters specifically for wireless cards when they first became a standard. |
| 22:22.39 | Blitx | wntd I assumed you were having old client user/pass errors. They changed the encryption used to store user passes in 4.1, so using PASSWORD_OLD() makes it use the old method which is compatible with old clients. |
| 22:23.02 | pipeline | Karlosis: Hell, most PCI wireless still ARE that way, they just don't waste the money on connectors. There's still two chips: One to handle the wireless, one to adapt the cardbus interface to PCI :P |
| 22:23.18 | Blitx | wntd I think it's OLD_PASSWORD() now that I think about it |
| 22:23.23 | Blitx | wntd I had to do the same thing |
| 22:23.28 | FieldySnuts | @lart dvd drives for reading so slowly |
| 22:23.44 | npx | pipeline it amazes me that they can be so kludgy |
| 22:23.55 | paulswm | Karlosis: I'm using Linksys WRT54GS router and Linksys WPC54GS notebook adaptor plus tulip-based ehternet cards and they all work great |
| 22:24.12 | pipeline | npx: Why? Chips and wiring are cheap; Housings and connectors are expensive. |
| 22:24.15 | Blitx | wntd Yeah, that's right--http://dev.mysql.com/doc/mysql/en/Old_client.html |
| 22:24.24 | pipeline | npx: And obviously, R&D work is just totally out of the question for most companies. |
| 22:24.40 | mike_ | heh. im off. chow. |
| 22:24.50 | npx | hehehe, chow |
| 22:25.04 | pipeline | npx: It's the nature of commodity products. Have you ever really looked at a PC motherboard? The design is just absolutely disgusting. Everything is redundant except for the filter capacitors, of which there are roughly half as many as one would like. |
| 22:25.08 | Karlosis | wow, i found one like you said, pipeline on ebay |
| 22:25.16 | paulswm | The linksys GS wireless stuff is fast too |
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| 22:25.29 | pipeline | Yes, but it's made by linksys |
| 22:25.35 | pipeline | Meaning that you have no idea what you're buying when you buy it. |
| 22:25.38 | Karlosis | i am a bit scared about the amd64 part of it, cause i want to continue on 64 bits |
| 22:25.43 | pipeline | This is a company that's sold five different chipsets with the exact same model number |
| 22:25.59 | wntd | Blitx: *sigh* okay. It works now. |
| 22:25.59 | paulswm | pipeline: I knew exactly what I was buying when I bought it, that's why I bought it |
| 22:26.03 | pipeline | Karlosis: There's 64 bit solaris drivers for wireless, so there's no obvious technical barrier. |
| 22:26.06 | FieldySnuts | i've found linux and wireless to be extremely lame, such as having to have drivers that are binary, firmware that has to be uploaded to the card etc, i'll pass |
| 22:26.13 | npx | pipeline I can't say I have - it's just that I guess I expect things to become more elegant the closer I look |
| 22:26.23 | Blitx | wntd Glad I could help |
| 22:26.26 | pipeline | FieldySnuts: Start using decent cards :P |
| 22:26.31 | Karlosis | Can it be that Orinoco gold was 802.11b only? |
| 22:26.32 | pipeline | FieldySnuts: In other words, blame yoru vendor. |
| 22:26.34 | pipeline | Karlosis: Yes. |
| 22:26.46 | Karlosis | I see here PC Card Orinoco Combo Card silver announced as "linux-capable" |
| 22:27.02 | npx | http://www.hpl.hp.com/personal/Jean_Tourrilhes/Linux/Wireless.html - good overview of wlan hardware compat |
| 22:27.07 | pipeline | Karlosis: Silver and Gold differ only in firmware. And a *ton* of companies rebranded orinoco. Dell, Cisco, IBM, etc all did it at one time or another. |
| 22:27.39 | Karlosis | i see... |
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| 22:27.56 | pipeline | Karlosis: I think the difference between Silver and Gold is that one does 64 bit WEP, the other 128. Either way, WEP is WEP and, correspondingly, sucks. |
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| 22:28.18 | pipeline | Karlosis: Also, 802.11g is waaaay over-hyped. If you want decent speeds over wireless, go 11a or go home. |
| 22:28.37 | npx | pipeline ssh tunnels are the way to go with wlan, then? |
| 22:28.40 | pipeline | Of course, finding an 802.11a/b card for Linux is pulling teeth. Expensive as all get-out. |
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| 22:29.04 | pipeline | npx: Heh, the easiest way is a combination of mac filtering and http authentication. |
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| 22:29.24 | adjacent | pipeline: thats absurd. 11a will never catch on |
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| 22:29.26 | paulswm | Karlosis: IMO you should get 11g and you should use WPA rather than WEP, WEP is weak |
| 22:29.34 | pipeline | npx: Yeah, MAC addresses can be spoofed, but not easily enough that anyone will actually do it in order to use wireless for a couple of hours. |
| 22:29.48 | pipeline | adjacent: Are you kidding? 802.11a is actually very, very popular for industrial and business use. |
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| 22:30.14 | antjos | hi |
| 22:30.14 | npx | *nods* midsouth.rr.com apparently thought the same thing just prior to someone ARP spoofing their network and stealing tons of credit card info |
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| 22:30.18 | Karlosis | Well, my WLAN-router doesn't do it |
| 22:30.28 | adjacent | pipeline: exactly industrial and business use =) |
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| 22:30.39 | pipeline | adjacent: 802.11g is crippled by the fact that 11b and wireless phones use the same frequencies. It just doesn't work unless you just flood the area. It's just too flaky. |
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| 22:31.03 | adjacent | i dont recommend g either. stick with 11b until wimax is out |
| 22:31.09 | paulswm | 11g is absolutely fine for me |
| 22:31.24 | adjacent | the preN stuff from belkin is good stuff too |
| 22:31.33 | pipeline | Karlosis: Well, Lucent/Orinoco and Prism2 are pretty much the only chipsets that work well under Linux. And prism2 is a really, really shitty chipset. So those are your options. |
| 22:31.46 | adjacent | wimax over 2.4 anyway. |
| 22:31.50 | npx | 11b seems like it would be fine for a basic NAT setup and streaming some mp3s |
| 22:32.04 | Karlosis | Forgive my ignorance, is Orinoco a vendor or chipset name |
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| 22:32.15 | npx | pipeline isn't the prism2 the only card capable of going into promisc mode or something? |
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| 22:32.53 | Karlosis | i read a lot about wardriving on those orinoco's just now, i guess they can be promiscous too |
| 22:32.56 | deadcat | npx: no most cards do |
| 22:32.57 | Karlosis | ;-) |
| 22:33.06 | FieldySnuts | they can be, and they are also very sensitive |
| 22:33.19 | FieldySnuts | most cards i've seen can go promisc |
| 22:33.22 | digital_ | bn tout le monde :) |
| 22:33.26 | deadcat | prism and orinoco cards work pretty well |
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| 22:33.39 | adjacent | senao cards are good in linux too |
| 22:33.40 | FieldySnuts | pretty much anything else is cheap and of low quality |
| 22:33.59 | deadcat | just read teh file in /usr/share/docs/kismet/ |
| 22:34.02 | npx | I thought that the prism2 had some feature that made it especially good for wardriving etc, but obviously I don't know much about wlan |
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| 22:34.32 | deadcat | npx: prism cards are good that you can set the card to master mode. |
| 22:34.32 | paulswm | Karlosis: the broadcom 11g chipsets are fine, too |
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| 22:35.06 | deadcat | paulswm: you sure? broadcom chips requires ndiswrapper |
| 22:35.09 | pipeline | npx: prism2 is the only chipset for which the base station mode is supported in the driver |
| 22:35.20 | pipeline | npx: I can't remember the technical term; the mode in which the card acts as a base station. |
| 22:35.31 | deadcat | master |
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| 22:35.51 | pipeline | npx: The difference between a client and a base station device is in software. For example, apple airport extreme base stations have a mini-PCI card in them (but it's the wrong form factor, so you can't buy them on ebay and resell them as airport for PB's :P) |
| 22:35.59 | marisa | how can i map a user into kde not into gnome? |
| 22:36.03 | npx | ahh, okay |
| 22:36.14 | deadcat | marisa: display manager? |
| 22:36.21 | marisa | yes |
| 22:36.21 | Karlosis | Only thing i am concerned is that the drivers are hopefully 64bit clean |
| 22:36.25 | npx | so basically master mode is promisc with routing facilities? |
| 22:36.29 | deadcat | marisa: install one |
| 22:36.35 | marisa | i have kdm |
| 22:36.40 | marisa | and kde |
| 22:36.56 | deadcat | npx: no. master is setting the card to AP mode, monitor is promiscous, ad-hoc is peer to peer |
| 22:36.57 | pipeline | Karlosis: http://tinyurl.com/58wzq this is a list of known cards with either orinoco (hermes) or prism2 chipsets. You can count on these cards, at least, being supported under any OS. |
| 22:37.01 | paulswm | deadcat: i'm not using ndiswrapper |
| 22:37.07 | marisa | i have a user who allways comes into gnome instead kde |
| 22:37.11 | deadcat | marisa: then set kdm to use gnome |
| 22:37.14 | pipeline | Karlosis: Also, if the drivers aren't 64 bit clean, it's Linux's fault. Install FreeBSD/NetBSD/Solaris :P |
| 22:37.32 | npx | ok, thanks for the clarification |
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| 22:37.35 | deadcat | paulswm: what driver you use? |
| 22:37.41 | FieldySnuts | @fuck Solaris |
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| 22:37.54 | [puRpLeHaZe] | can any1 tell me some good dual-head tutorials? or which software i have to use for that? |
| 22:37.57 | npx | I've heard NetBSD rocks the casbah pretty heavily |
| 22:37.58 | marisa | deadcat, only a user comes into gnome, others into kde., where is to set it? |
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| 22:38.05 | npx | Like, they didn't get adduser till 97 or something, lol |
| 22:38.05 | FieldySnuts | who's an1? |
| 22:38.09 | deadcat | marisa: from the kdm menu |
| 22:38.14 | [puRpLeHaZe] | i can control my monitor and my tv (tv out) seperately using a x config file |
| 22:38.25 | marisa | there is no chance to choose |
| 22:38.40 | deadcat | marisa: is gnome installed? |
| 22:38.46 | npx | [puRpLeHaZe] you want to read about xinerama. In all likelihood though you can't use xinerama with tv-out and a monitor, the exception being nvidia cards and even then I'm not 100% sure about that |
| 22:39.00 | npx | bbiab |
| 22:39.06 | deadcat | [puRpLeHaZe]: sh.nu/nvidia |
| 22:39.16 | marisa | deadcat, yes |
| 22:40.04 | deadcat | marisa: login as root and config kdm. i've never messed with kde/kdm so i dont really know. i use gdm and i can set to what ever i want. i set mine to openbox |
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| 22:40.37 | [puRpLeHaZe] | i only want to be able to use both screens at the same time |
| 22:40.41 | [puRpLeHaZe] | i.E a clone |
| 22:40.52 | [puRpLeHaZe] | for now i can only use both seperately |
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| 22:40.57 | deadcat | go to that site |
| 22:41.06 | [puRpLeHaZe] | okay on my was ;E |
| 22:41.07 | [puRpLeHaZe] | 10q |
| 22:41.22 | Karlosis | pipeline: I did install FreeBSD and NetBSD both |
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| 22:41.38 | pipeline | Karlosis: How much RAM do you have? |
| 22:41.42 | deadcat | i read that site and i can get mine to do lcd+lcd, clone, lcd+tv, tv only and so on |
| 22:41.46 | Karlosis | pipeline: And I liked NetBSD... :) |
| 22:41.52 | Karlosis | pipeline: I have 1G |
| 22:42.33 | deadcat | [puRpLeHaZe]: instead of LeftOf or RightOf, just set it to Clone |
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| 22:42.55 | pointer-gaim | one quick question about the woody installer....when I build a custom kernel and rebuild the iso....(ie to support the 3ware 9500)...does it put the custom kernel on the new system or does it put a default debian kernel? |
| 22:43.37 | streuner_ | pointer-gaim: why don't just use d-i? |
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| 22:43.52 | deadcat | streuner_: maybe he wants stable? |
| 22:44.12 | Karlosis | All the Orinoco I can find is either PCMCIA or 802.11b |
| 22:44.19 | Karlosis | (on Ebay that is) |
| 22:44.25 | SquareRt | genesis@kurta:~$ free -m |
| 22:44.25 | SquareRt | <PROTECTED> |
| 22:44.25 | SquareRt | Mem: 503 498 4 0 0 29 |
| 22:44.25 | SquareRt | -/+ buffers/cache: 468 34 |
| 22:44.25 | SquareRt | Swap: 3812 3812 0 |
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| 22:44.35 | deadcat | Karlosis: PCMCIA or 802.11b? you know the diff between them? |
| 22:44.41 | Karlosis | I do... |
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| 22:44.52 | deadcat | that should be AND then. |
| 22:44.54 | Karlosis | I mean, they are either not PCI or not 802.11g |
| 22:44.57 | Karlosis | :p |
| 22:45.01 | deadcat | (= |
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| 22:45.19 | streuner_ | Karlosis: look harder |
| 22:45.22 | deadcat | get the orinoco usb silver (=, theres a pcmcia inside then hack to fucker to gold. hehe |
| 22:45.55 | Karlosis | hm hm :p |
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| 22:46.33 | pipeline | Karlosis: Orinoco is always 802.11b. There is no such 802.11g chipset. As I already mentioned :P |
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| 22:46.41 | Karlosis | Arg :p |
| 22:46.46 | pipeline | Karlosis: Also, why are you worrying about 64-bit problems if you only have 1G of RAM? |
| 22:47.22 | Karlosis | pipeline: I still like to use it, you know that you need that hack to use it on i368 |
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| 22:47.39 | SquareRt | soryr... didn't realise my paste from free -m was so long... I might consider qining #flood, but I'm currently having trouble moving the mouse and my text I'm typing doesn't show up for 30 seconds or more so it is no doubt full of rrors |
| 22:47.42 | Karlosis | pipeline: LargeMem .... makes things slower or not? |
| 22:47.50 | bradfed | what is the quickest way to build modules but not roll the whole kernel? |
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| 22:48.20 | deadcat | bradfed: get teh source. read the README or INSTALL |
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| 22:48.41 | bradfed | whois polm |
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| 22:48.44 | Karlosis | So... hm, I still need a way to find vendors of cards with Prism3 that will write it on them :p |
| 22:48.49 | bradfed | quit |
| 22:48.50 | pointer-gaim | streuner_: the kernel with sarge doesn't support the stuff I need either :-\ |
| 22:48.50 | ZyniX | does anyone know hos to make the bootup in debian look nicer ? like for example in fedora ? |
| 22:48.51 | bradfed | exit |
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| 22:49.05 | Piru | hah |
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| 22:49.15 | streuner_ | pointer-gaim: /msg dpkg ig |
| 22:49.20 | deadcat | ZyniX: bootsplash. compile your own kernel |
| 22:49.26 | SquareRt | <PROTECTED> |
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| 22:49.55 | simonrvn | fucking idiot... |
| 22:49.58 | FieldySnuts | that's the second time he flooded like that, +q him |
| 22:50.11 | streuner_ | pointer-gaim: you haven't any other NIC handy? |
| 22:50.16 | ZyniX | deadcat > i meant the verbose mode of bootsplash, the: loading <service> [ OK ] thingie.... |
| 22:50.16 | deadcat | simonrvn: that moron pasted the same shit earlier right? |
| 22:50.16 | paulswm | deadcat: I withdraw what I said, I haven't used the WPS54GS with Linux, thought I had. It's in my spouse's XP laptop. Apologies to all if I misled anyone |
| 22:50.23 | FieldySnuts | deadcat: yes |
| 22:50.26 | simonrvn | deadcat: yes |
| 22:50.30 | pointer-gaim | streuner_: it's a dell server with onboard nic |
| 22:50.36 | deadcat | ZyniX: ya. its a theme |
| 22:50.44 | neenee | nite. |
| 22:50.54 | RainbowW | paulswm: you should be beaten to within an inch of your life for using xp :) |
| 22:50.56 | deadcat | ZyniX: oh. that crap. edit the scripts in /etc/init.d (= |
| 22:51.00 | streuner_ | pointer-gaim: and no possibilty to plug a NIC into? |
| 22:51.18 | pointer-gaim | streuner_: why? |
| 22:51.20 | paulswm | RainbowW: I don't my spouse does, give her a break, I've only just got her away from AOHell |
| 22:51.22 | ZyniX | deadcat > ya that thing :) |
| 22:51.27 | Karlosis | I guess I will have to use a second router and connect via Ethernet to it :( |
| 22:51.32 | deadcat | paulswm: ya. because if you can get a broadcom to work without ndis, i am upgrading my g3 ibook to a g4 (= |
| 22:51.36 | pointer-gaim | streuner_: and I'm walking someone through the install over the phone....who isn't a hardware geek |
| 22:51.39 | scarynetworkguy | pointer-gaim: http://www.domsch.com/linux/ <-- That'll sort you. |
| 22:51.46 | pointer-gaim | streuner_: 600+miles away |
| 22:52.10 | pointer-gaim | streuner_: I tried the linux-on-dell iso....didn't work |
| 22:52.10 | deadcat | ZyniX: its just 2 functions that gets the exit status and display the word. i use that in my .bash_logout file |
| 22:52.14 | paulswm | deadcat: I'd re imaged her lappy over my network, but I forgot that I did it over an ethernet wire |
| 22:52.46 | pointer-gaim | streuner_: to the d-i's credit...it recognized the nic at least...but not the sata controller or 3ware 9500 |
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| 22:53.10 | ZyniX | deadcat like if $? > 0, echo "what_ever" ? |
| 22:53.16 | pointer-gaim | streuner_: the linux-on-dell iso didn't detect the onboard sata controller, the nic, or the 3ware |
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| 22:53.40 | deadcat | ZyniX: just search the rc scripts from fedora. its all there |
| 22:53.55 | paulswm | deadcat: I doubt it, I did a quick google and that card needs ndis by the look of it. Ah well, it works under XP and that's going to be it's sole use |
| 22:54.04 | paulswm | s/it's/its/ |
| 22:54.17 | pointer-gaim | streuner_: I think the custom install cd I built will work |
| 22:54.19 | streuner_ | pointer-gaim: what did the people in #debian-boot say? |
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| 22:54.29 | deadcat | ZyniX: http://deadcat.katzeye.com/index.php?SCREEN=hack&ID=runinit edit this |
| 22:54.32 | pointer-gaim | streuner_: haven't been there |
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| 22:55.20 | ZyniX | deadcat: thanks m8 :) i thought it was some sort of script they used... |
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| 22:56.07 | Li\Sou | hi, i have a q about emelfm and alike.. why cant i use "su" in the emelfm terminal window? is there any managers which have same functionality as emelfm but su? |
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| 22:56.58 | mwilson | emelfm has a terminal window? |
| 22:57.05 | mwilson | Since when? |
| 22:57.23 | mwilson | It has a simple command line. |
| 22:57.23 | Li\Sou | yeah at the bottom you can do terminal like functions at least... |
| 22:57.29 | Li\Sou | well... |
| 22:57.37 | resiak | Li\Sou: Use sudo. |
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| 22:57.57 | Li\Sou | resiak: sudo? is that a command or manager? |
| 22:58.06 | Li\Sou | <-- newbie |
| 22:58.07 | deadcat | Li\Sou: apt-get install sudo |
| 22:58.12 | mwilson | Why do you need to be root while running emelfm? |
| 22:58.18 | Li\Sou | ok, is that good? |
| 22:58.18 | resiak | Li\Sou: Then man sudo |
| 22:58.23 | FieldySnuts | it thinks it's lindows? oh sorry linspire. |
| 22:58.34 | Li\Sou | resiak: man? whats that |
| 22:58.34 | resiak | Li\Sou: It allows you to run commands as root by prefixing them with sudo |
| 22:58.38 | resiak | !man |
| 22:58.38 | dpkg | extra, extra, read all about it, man is a little guy that knows everything about linux... just do man <commandname> and he will teach you all about <commandname>, or http://man.mirrorlynx.com to get online manpages, or mannotincluded.com, or a Municipal Area Network (city), or check ASD @ http://savannah.nongnu.org/projects/asd/ |
| 22:58.44 | npx | omfg darth tater |
| 22:58.49 | paulswm | deadcat: just to finish this off, http://ndiswrapper.sourceforge.net/phpwiki/index.php/List reports that WPC54GS works great reporting speeds of 125Mb/s |
| 22:58.56 | deadcat | if you dont know man. how did you install debian the first place? |
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| 22:59.07 | nicolade | Hi, my problem is rather strange: I can type umlaute (äöü) into xterm but if I want to read a mail via mutt I can't read them. There they get encoded to something like "\344". Someone an idea for me? |
| 22:59.13 | Li\Sou | deadcat: just from the cd.. |
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| 22:59.19 | deadcat | paulswm: ya. but ndiswapper doesnt work with ppc (= |
| 22:59.26 | deadcat | Li\Sou: wow. nice |
| 22:59.29 | npx | deadcat apparently he can read - that's a step in the right direction |
| 22:59.38 | Li\Sou | hehe, i dont know:o) |
| 22:59.40 | Li\Sou | lol |
| 22:59.47 | paulswm | deadcat: aaahhh, me a dumbass |
| 22:59.54 | resiak | Li\Sou: Read man man |
| 23:00.06 | Li\Sou | ill try sudo. i guess this is manager? or does it ust give emelfm the right to do su? |
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| 23:00.31 | deadcat | Li\Sou: dont guess, man sudo |
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| 23:00.39 | resiak | !sudo |
| 23:00.40 | dpkg | well, sudo is (SUperuser DO) better than su, according to talon.It is able to give limited super user privileges to specific users, or can allow you to do silly things like run X apps with root perms, or good in scripts with "username ALL = NOPASSWD: /some/program", or http://www.aplawrence.com/Basics/sudo.html |
| 23:00.41 | Li\Sou | ok, thanx |
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| 23:01.32 | mwilson | Li\Sou: Why do you think you need to be root while running emelfm? |
| 23:01.55 | FieldySnuts | @lart Li\Sou |
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| 23:02.15 | overclocker_ | hi, i do an dpkg -get-selections >file in a machine, i do dpkg -set-selections in another, but that don't install the packages, what am i doing wrong? |
| 23:02.27 | npx | Li\Sou gksu is sorta neat |
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| 23:03.11 | jp- | has anyone experienced problems with .Xdefaults resource settings not being loaded when the application is launched under xfce? none of my resource settings there are being used by any program i have configured via that file. |
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| 23:03.40 | mwilson | jp-: Of course. |
| 23:03.57 | mwilson | jp-: Since the filename is .XResources |
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| 23:04.15 | jp- | it works fine from within fvwm |
| 23:04.25 | jp- | this is the first i've ever had a problem with it, even under window maker |
| 23:04.26 | mwilson | .Xresources, even. |
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| 23:04.35 | jp- | and i have .Xresources linked to .Xdefaults |
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| 23:04.54 | jp- | and .Xresources is used from under display managers (iirc) which i'm also not using. |
| 23:05.12 | drac | Hmm, is there somekind of HOWTO for running mp3-stream (radio) on debian? |
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| 23:05.39 | overclocker_ | how could i have the same packages in some machines? |
| 23:05.41 | azreal | jp-: you can xrdb -merge ~/.Xdefaults in .xinitrc |
| 23:05.58 | jp- | azreal: i'll give that a shot, thanks |
| 23:06.11 | azreal | jp-: at least thats what i eneded up doing a long time ago to solve that problem |
| 23:06.37 | jp- | that works, tested it in a terminal. this has been bugging the hell out of me, i appreciate your time. |
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| 23:06.46 | azreal | cool |
| 23:08.23 | streuner_ | drac: google for MP3-HOWTO or just read docs at icecast.org |
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| 23:09.34 | drac | streuner_: ahh, icecast was the name i was looking for. thanks. |
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| 23:12.12 | mike_ | hey, how do i change a mounted drives permissions so i can have write access to them? |
| 23:12.31 | FieldySnuts | man chmod |
| 23:12.31 | lawnchair | bobba king bobba |
| 23:12.34 | jsbiff | Hello. I have a program that is trying to open /dev/sequencer - but unfortunately that doesn't exist. Is that part of OpenSound System? |
| 23:12.40 | myren | what can i use to write to unix sockets? |
| 23:12.42 | mike_ | chmod didn't work |
| 23:12.56 | jsbiff | mike_ sometimes you have to set mount options in /etc/fstab |
| 23:13.04 | jsbiff | man mount |
| 23:13.08 | mike_ | oh ok, thanks |
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| 23:14.52 | mvhurja | how i can install *.deb packed ? |
| 23:15.12 | neenee | dpkg -i foo.deb |
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| 23:15.32 | overclocker_ | how could i install Debian with same packages on another PC? |
| 23:15.51 | mvhurja | dpkg -i file.deb ? |
| 23:16.02 | caphuso | overclocker_: /msg dpkg debian clone |
| 23:16.10 | henke | Can I create a tunnel with iptables that forwards all packets that comes to a certain port on the external interface, to another external host? |
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| 23:16.38 | nvz | overclocker_: there are a number of options, would help to explain which would be ideal for you. if you want to actually fetch them all again from cd/http/ftp, if you want to clone a hd, or if you want to burn the install to removable media and reinstall |
| 23:17.12 | dbron | henke: that is dnat |
| 23:17.15 | simonrvn | nvz: hello |
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| 23:17.34 | nvz | simonrvn: hello |
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| 23:18.13 | daft- | what was the command for dpkg if dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xfree86 isnt working? |
| 23:18.24 | henke | dbron, I thought so too, but it doesn't seem to work. I have that set up on external ports, but they are all directed to the local network. |
| 23:18.27 | daft- | i mean the bot |
| 23:18.36 | caphuso | daft-: /msg dpkg x md5sum |
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| 23:19.19 | daft- | but I did not hand edit the X config so there must be a bug some where |
| 23:19.45 | loke__ | how do i add users to postfix? |
| 23:20.08 | valdyn | daft-: nvidias installer might write into that file |
| 23:20.08 | streuner_ | loke__: hm, adduser |
| 23:20.19 | dbron | henke: there are lots of howtos the one I use most is the squid transparent proxy howto it describes local port redirection and external also |
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| 23:20.26 | loke__ | streuner_ i cant seem to get email sent to a user? |
| 23:20.29 | streuner_ | loke__: keep in mind that postfix runs in chroot (debian)... |
| 23:20.46 | loke__ | streuner_ and i cant send mail either? |
| 23:21.06 | streuner_ | loke__: google for Postfix HOWTO SMTP |
| 23:21.08 | dbron | henke: you may not ip_forward on, I forget that often |
| 23:21.09 | henke | dbron, thank you, I found it. I didn't search for the right things first. |
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| 23:21.46 | henke | dbron, hmm, but I need that for other things |
| 23:22.24 | dbron | henke: I meant to say you MUST have it on |
| 23:22.34 | dbron | henke: that is my personal favorite to forget |
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| 23:23.03 | henke | dbron, hehe :) |
| 23:23.11 | streuner_ | loke__: http://postfix.state-of-mind.de/patrick.koetter/smtpauth/ |
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| 23:23.26 | dbron | henke: anyway, that howto spells it out pretty well |
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| 23:26.10 | Li\Sou | just wanted to give some feedback... i found it much more convinient to use gksu rather than sudo to give emelfm su rights... |
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| 23:26.29 | deadcat | yes |
| 23:26.42 | mwilson | I can't see how. |
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| 23:26.56 | Li\Sou | is it just me, or does anyone else see it that way? |
| 23:26.59 | jsbiff | ! /dev/sequencer |
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| 23:27.50 | Li\Sou | need a pointer. i need a simple command input on my desktop. how do i do that? |
| 23:28.09 | deadcat | mwilson: you have an apple ppc desktop right? with airport card? do you think it has enough room to fit an orinoco card instead of airport? |
| 23:28.18 | Li\Sou | does gdesklet provide something like that? |
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| 23:29.36 | Li\Sou | ill just have a look:) thnx for the help guys, its good to know that us newbies have somebody to turn to when things go wrong:) |
| 23:29.51 | npx | alex@simplicity:~$ apt-cache search gtk|grep run |
| 23:29.51 | npx | gmrun - Featureful CLI-like GTK+ application launcher |
| 23:30.19 | Li\Sou | thnx:) |
| 23:30.21 | npx | np |
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| 23:30.36 | deadcat | grun is pretty small |
| 23:30.38 | daft- | I have some thing wird I cant cat /dev/psaux untill i have start gpm but if i start X gpm dies and i cant use my mouse again |
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| 23:30.55 | npx | yeah grun is the next in the list that returned, but i didn't want to paste 3 lines |
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| 23:31.20 | Li\Sou | another q, and this is stupd.. if i want to execute a file.. what command? exec? |
| 23:31.29 | simonrvn | no. just run it |
| 23:31.33 | lawnchair | why dont you fuckin test it out firstr |
| 23:31.39 | Li\Sou | i mean, from command or terminal |
| 23:31.48 | Li\Sou | do i just type the name? |
| 23:31.54 | daft- | yep |
| 23:32.08 | jsbiff | does anyone in here have the ability to update dpkg or apt? |
| 23:32.08 | daft- | LI |
| 23:32.18 | Li\Sou | ok, thnx:) im not gonna bother you any more lawnchair... sorry.. |
| 23:32.21 | bob2 | jsbiff: the bots? everyone does. |
| 23:32.28 | bob2 | lawnchair: please stop it. |
| 23:32.29 | simonrvn | jsbiff: many people do. what's the question |
| 23:32.31 | jsbiff | oh? |
| 23:32.35 | mwilson | Hm, I need to find something nice to use for an xdm backdrop... |
| 23:32.36 | npx | depends what kind of file and what permissions it has, and whether or not it's in your $PATH - ./program if it's +x, sh blah.sh if it's a shell script and not +x, python blah.py if it's a python script and not +x, etc etc |
| 23:32.42 | lawnchair | bob2, fuck did i do? |
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| 23:32.57 | FieldySnuts | morons |
| 23:32.58 | bob2 | lawnchair: um? /lastlog lawnchair |
| 23:33.01 | bob2 | idiocy abounds |
| 23:33.08 | FieldySnuts | indeed |
| 23:33.20 | jsbiff | Well, it doesn't appear either one of them knows anything about sequencer, so I would like to suggest that 'sequencer' have text which refers the user to the timidity package |
| 23:33.39 | paulswm | mwilson: a Cassini pic of Saturn or Titan would be both attractive and topical |
| 23:33.43 | bob2 | jsbiff: /msg dpkg sequencer is blah blah blah |
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| 23:33.47 | jsbiff | I had a program which wanted to open /dev/sequencer |
| 23:33.55 | jsbiff | ok |
| 23:34.04 | simonrvn | nah, one from huygens ;) |
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| 23:34.21 | rwabel__ | can someone help me with removing files under linux. I've some which are undeleteable as root. I tried with -f command. no luck |
| 23:34.22 | paulswm | simonrvn: another boulder strewn plain? |
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| 23:34.40 | simonrvn | paulswm: there are some interesting bits |
| 23:34.46 | deadcat | rwabel__: what file system? |
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| 23:34.54 | npx | simonrvn care to elaborate? |
| 23:34.58 | rwabel__ | deadcat: reiserfs |
| 23:35.05 | simonrvn | paulswm: of course you'd have to set up the theme colours to match |
| 23:35.14 | deadcat | rwabel__: check the ACL |
| 23:35.27 | bob2 | reiser doesn't do acls by default |
| 23:35.31 | rwabel__ | deadcat: sorry, what is ACL? |
| 23:35.34 | simonrvn | npx: no, i don't |
| 23:35.34 | bob2 | and acls don't prevent root deleting things |
| 23:35.35 | paulswm | simonrvn: yes, jsut kidding, someone was commenting yesterday on the frequency of boulder strewn plains in the observed universe |
| 23:35.46 | npx | simonrvn let's make out then |
| 23:35.48 | simonrvn | yes, karsten was |
| 23:35.57 | simonrvn | npx: not my type |
| 23:36.03 | rwabel__ | bob2: I just want to remove them. it's not a problem of permission. They have a very strange filename |
| 23:36.08 | npx | =( |
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| 23:36.15 | npx | simonrvn too male? |
| 23:36.16 | bob2 | sounds like filesystem fuckage |
| 23:36.20 | bobesponja | I'm trying to use gmailfs but when I mount the partition I get "fusermount: unable to open fuse device /proc/fs/fuse/dev: No such file or directory", how can I fix that? |
| 23:36.25 | deadcat | rwabel__: try rm ./filename |
| 23:36.30 | simonrvn | npx: partly |
| 23:36.38 | npx | bobesponja modprobe fuse |
| 23:36.40 | bob2 | bobesponja: you built and installed fuse? |
| 23:36.49 | npx | I thought fuse came with 2.6.9-debian? |
| 23:36.51 | rwabel__ | deadcat: it tells me always no such file or directory |
| 23:36.58 | paulswm | simonrvn: I have to say that the Huygens landing was the most exciting event for me since Armstrong on the moon, it is just so amazingly cool on so many different levels |
| 23:36.59 | bob2 | no |
| 23:37.02 | bobesponja | npx: i use sarge |
| 23:37.06 | npx | rwabel__ what is the filename? |
| 23:37.10 | simonrvn | paulswm: yes it was :) |
| 23:37.12 | deadcat | rwabel__: interesting. whtas the file name? |
| 23:37.15 | bob2 | rwabel__: use a file manager to select it |
| 23:37.17 | bobesponja | npx: is there a package for fuse on debian? |
| 23:37.24 | npx | bobesponja on sarge, I have no idea |
| 23:37.25 | bob2 | it will take far less time than use to explain quoting |
| 23:37.30 | bob2 | bobesponja: yes |
| 23:37.31 | nvz | simonrvn: I do believe you've got a "fuck of a lot" of reading to do . . . |
| 23:37.40 | rwabel__ | deadcat: have bunch of them. also a normal: 03-Eesti Mees On TantsuLovi.mp3 |
| 23:37.46 | simonrvn | nvz: yes, i'm getting back to it ;) |
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| 23:37.55 | rwabel__ | bob2: tried with krusader, tuxcmd |
| 23:37.59 | simonrvn | but i had to tweak mutt first |
| 23:38.05 | bobesponja | bob2: I think I did apt-get install every package related to fuse on sarge but I still get that error |
| 23:38.30 | bob2 | bobesponja: um, you do need to read the instructions |
| 23:38.39 | bob2 | and build and install and load the modules |
| 23:38.45 | paulswm | crap, now I've got to figure out yet *another* almost incomprehensible reearch paper |
| 23:38.51 | rwabel__ | deadcat: xffm created them. they are from another computer (over samba). they are in the /tmp/ directory |
| 23:38.51 | jsbiff | bob2: is there any way to setup aliases for entries on dpkg? That is, I created an entry for sequencer. If someone asks timidity about dev/sequencer, can I have that alias to the sequencer entry? |
| 23:39.03 | jsbiff | err, asks dpkg about |
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| 23:39.04 | rwabel__ | deadcat: rm ./filename didn't help |
| 23:39.08 | deadcat | rwabel__: reboot and see what happen (= |
| 23:39.21 | bobesponja | bob2: I think I need to download fuse-source and then just compile and install it, is that it? |
| 23:39.34 | bob2 | bobesponja: yes |
| 23:39.40 | bobesponja | bob2: ok thx |
| 23:39.42 | bob2 | jsbiff: no |
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| 23:40.03 | jsbiff | ok |
| 23:40.12 | jsbiff | well, hopefully my little entry will be usefull to someone. . . |
| 23:41.04 | rwabel__ | deadcat: good idea. I'll do that when my tasks are finished :-) thanks |
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| 23:41.21 | deadcat | rwabel__: or even restart samba or something |
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| 23:41.46 | Crell42 | Question. If I have sieve installed on an IMAP mail server (package mailutils), then will filters I setup in KMail (with sieve enabled) propagate back to the server? |
| 23:42.01 | mX128PLDENG | hi all |
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| 23:43.16 | mX128PLDENG | what is the different between: debian-30r4-i386-binary-1.iso and debian-30r4-i386-binary-1_NONUS.iso ??? is nonus = multilanguage ??? |
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| 23:44.13 | bob2 | no |
| 23:44.20 | deadcat | !nonus |
| 23:44.21 | dpkg | hmm... non-us is where we put software that cannot be distributed from the USA. For woody, use "deb http://non-US.debian.org/debian-non-US woody/non-US main contrib non-free" in sources.list. For testing or unstable, substitute "testing" or "unstable" for "woody". or if you want sources, then use the same line but with deb-src at the beginning instead of deb, or ask me about "crypto" |
| 23:44.26 | bob2 | get the nonus one |
| 23:45.59 | nvz | something about chicken and cheese together just doesnt go too well with me. |
| 23:46.32 | nvz | of course I dont much like cheese anyhow |
| 23:46.58 | mike_ | but chicken is nice |
| 23:47.45 | paulswm | nvz: the digiorno's frozen deep disk supreme is really, *really* good |
| 23:47.50 | mX128PLDENG | what is woody? an "nick" for debian (for a specific version?) |
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| 23:48.23 | paulswm | !woody |
| 23:48.23 | dpkg | hmm... woody is the current stable release of Debian, version 3.0, released July 19, 2002. Ask me about "potato->woody" or "woody install guide". |
| 23:48.36 | paulswm | !sarge |
| 23:48.37 | dpkg | Ten-HUT! Fall in! Sarge is the current testing release code-name. Ask me about <d-i> to get the installer. |
| 23:48.53 | Crell42 | !etch |
| 23:48.54 | dpkg | well, etch is the codename for the Debian release to follow sarge. See http://www.debian.org/releases/etch/ |
| 23:48.58 | Crell42 | !sid |
| 23:48.58 | dpkg | sid is, like, the unstable version of Debian. Commonly [and wrongly] backronymed Still In Development. It's actually named for the destructive neighbour kid in Toy Story. Ask me about unstable. Do not use sid unless you have the skill to find your way out of the mess that broken packages may put you in. |
| 23:49.05 | paulswm | !nickometer mX128PLDENG |
| 23:49.05 | dpkg | 'mX128PLDENG' is 99.850% lame, paulswm |
| 23:49.09 | paulswm | heh |
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| 23:49.24 | Crell42 | !nickometer crell42 |
| 23:49.25 | nvz | paulswm: If you say so. I don't like frechetta or digiono, they have this habbit dicing shit up and throwing it on a pizza because they apperently dont know how to make a pizza that tastes good. Good pizza doesnt need diced peperoni and shit in the sauce to make it taste good |
| 23:49.41 | bob2 | mX128PLDENG: yes, 3.0 |
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| 23:50.34 | paulswm | nvz: well, I am not really a pizza fan but these are so good my skinny li'l spuse and I have to eat all 2 lb in one sitting |
| 23:50.40 | paulswm | spouse |
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| 23:51.04 | thingfish | I will have to try digiorno's deep dish, haven't yet. |
| 23:51.04 | nsanity | has anyone else ever had the problem of disappearing usb mice after a kernel recompile? |
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| 23:51.29 | thingfish | pizza sounds good, but I'm going to cook pork chops. |
| 23:51.32 | bob2 | nsanity: yes, that's almost always a misconfiguartion |
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| 23:51.42 | paulswm | thingfish: the supreme, then you can get the illusion of health from the bits of diced peppers, heh |
| 23:51.48 | thingfish | lol |
| 23:51.50 | nsanity | bob2: what's usually misconfigured? ;) |
| 23:52.21 | bob2 | um, the lack of usb and mouse support? |
| 23:52.43 | christor_ | Hello , I would like to know , there are the IPV6 by default in the kernek of the debian sarge, the IPV6 can slow the dns resolution? |
| 23:52.45 | nsanity | bob2: I can mount usb pendrives and my ps2 mouse works |
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| 23:53.15 | thingfish | christor_: yes, it can, but we all need to learn to live with it. |
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| 23:53.30 | nvz | I went to high school with a kid who's family makes some of the finest Pizza in the north eastern US. they own and operate a small family business out of Ambridge, PA.. I know people that drive as much as 100miles to get this pizza |
| 23:53.34 | bob2 | nsanity: hid |
| 23:53.52 | nsanity | bob2: that is compile as a module and inserted as well |
| 23:54.11 | nsanity | bob2: curiously, though, whenever hald starts up it says my kerneld doesn't support something called "capabilities" |
| 23:54.20 | npx | nvz, damn |
| 23:54.22 | nsanity | s/kerneld/kernel/ |
| 23:54.28 | npx | my cousin is a pizza delivery guy |
| 23:54.36 | bob2 | nsanity: yeah |
| 23:54.38 | npx | I get as much pizza as I can digest, free! |
| 23:54.41 | fesh | hey, can somebody please point me in the right direction? I have a problem and don't know where to start. I'm running a Woody application via chroot on Sarge, but the application fonts don't work right, I just get boxes instead of fonts |
| 23:54.45 | thingfish | I want to try pizza in naples sometime. I hear they only use real mozzarella, tomato sauce, and fresh basil leaves. |
| 23:54.47 | bob2 | it'd be easier to just use a Debian kernel |
| 23:54.48 | christor_ | thingfish: for the moment i don t think |
| 23:54.58 | fesh | the application works just fine when I boot into Woody... how could I go about on fixing this? |
| 23:55.04 | nsanity | bob2: I need to patch it though... for hardware purposes |
| 23:55.12 | mX128PLDENG | ok, i have problems with sound under linux. (asrock k7v88, sound-on-board) . in suse is none sound and in knoppix is sound, but i can?t manage the volume (its always full loud) i have heard that knoppix is based on debian and now i want try sound under debian. wich version of debian is the best for my problem ?? woody sarge or etch? plz thx |
| 23:55.19 | paulswm | nvz can't mess with real cooking tonight, Cold Case and Desperate Housewives are on, deperate housewives is even better than being here if in some ways similar, heh |
| 23:55.32 | thingfish | well of course in italy they're only going to use real mozzarella... |
| 23:55.39 | nvz | they open in the late evening Tuesday thru Saturday and they sell by the slice.. |
| 23:55.44 | bob2 | nsanity: get the kernel source, apply the patch, compile it with the debian config |
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| 23:55.48 | thingfish | desperate housewives is great |
| 23:56.02 | nsanity | bob2: cp /boot/config-<default> /usr/src/kernel-source/.config/ |
| 23:56.05 | nsanity | ? |
| 23:56.06 | thingfish | I love that lady, the real prim redhead, she steals the show. |
| 23:56.09 | bob2 | yes |
| 23:56.10 | paulswm | thingfish: so is CBS' Cold Case, they clash but I have a dvr :) |
| 23:56.19 | nvz | they only serve walkin and are always packed |
| 23:56.20 | paulswm | lily is a babse |
| 23:56.22 | paulswm | babe |
| 23:56.28 | bob2 | nsanity: but you can't compile with that on kernel.org sources |
| 23:56.36 | nsanity | bob2: aye, I'll try that. do I have to do a make-kpkg clean every time? |
| 23:56.43 | thingfish | paulswm: is that her name? She is a killer actor. |
| 23:56.49 | nsanity | bob2: right, I've already aptgetted the kernel-source package |
| 23:57.07 | paulswm | thingfish: that's her character in Cold Case, not sure off hand of her name |
| 23:57.16 | thingfish | oh, different show. |
| 23:57.17 | bob2 | nsanity: don't forget to use --initrd |
| 23:57.25 | thingfish | lily rush, same last name as me. |
| 23:57.30 | michal_ | what does "You have been D-lined." mean? |
| 23:57.56 | we2by | D-lined? |
| 23:57.58 | we2by | :\ |
| 23:58.00 | npx | michal_ you pissed the wrong folks off |
| 23:58.02 | mX128PLDENG | ok, i have problems with sound under linux. (asrock k7v88, sound-on-board) . in suse is none sound and in knoppix is sound, but i can?t manage the volume (its always full loud) i have heard that knoppix is based on debian and now i want try sound under debian. wich version of debian is the best for my problem ?? woody or sarge? plz thx |
| 23:58.02 | nsanity | bob2: indeed... I learned that one the hard way... after about 5 hours |
| 23:58.03 | xam | michal_: at least it appears not to be as bad as bein K-lined |
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| 23:58.18 | michal_ | all i did was attempt to join an efnet server |
| 23:58.47 | thingfish | mX128PLDENG: spend $20 and get a real sound card. |
| 23:58.49 | paulswm | thingfish: Marica Cross is the redhead you mentioned |
| 23:58.52 | buga | mX128PLDENG: sarge has some kind of hardware detection |
| 23:58.53 | thingfish | ah |
| 23:58.54 | npx | michal_ you're pissing me off already |
| 23:58.56 | paulswm | Marcia |
| 23:59.00 | npx | j/k =P |
| 23:59.10 | michal_ | not that I can.. no way to enable inetd for the office.. and for some stupid reason every irc server requires the outdated ident "authentication" |
| 23:59.12 | npx | really, though, someone with a hostmask similar to yours was d-lined from that server |
| 23:59.15 | npx | and you're feeling the burn |
| 23:59.20 | fesh | OMG I managed to fix my own problems!! incredible! |
| 23:59.23 | npx | irc.blessed.net doesn't |
| 23:59.31 | npx | neither does irc.prison.net I think |
| 23:59.38 | thingfish | yikes |
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| 23:59.45 | KillerBunny | If i have some program which looks for some files in /usr/lib/ but they are located in /usr/local/lib, what do i do ? |
| 23:59.45 | michal_ | npx: prison seem to now.. i know they didn't use to |
| 23:59.54 | john | what's the packages for k3b to beable to burn Video CD's and DVD Movies and such and Super Video CD's |
